| 00:00.20 | Delph | hmm, debian doesn't have that good a configuration management system; i don't know how fluxbox's menu is kept up to date, but if it's going through the normal method you get it overwritten with a new copy, or you keep your old copy -- there's no normal way to patch on config changes. |
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| 00:00.31 | japro | is there something wrong with the libsdl packages in the testing distri? |
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| 00:01.03 | green_earz | igraltist: dmesg | more |
| 00:01.25 | tga | hey.. is a samba mount between two linux machines the same as NFS in the sense that the uids and groups have to be syncronized for the permissions to work? |
| 00:01.37 | Marsian | igraltist: dmesg | less |
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| 00:01.55 | mwilson | tga: If you configure it that way, yes. |
| 00:01.56 | helix | japro: like what? |
| 00:02.10 | azreal | Delph: why cant you copy the menu to ~/.fluxbox or whatever, thats not going to get overwritten. |
| 00:02.12 | Guerin | igraltist: dmesg |
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| 00:02.44 | Delph | azreal: yeah, but then you miss out on menu updates when you install new debian packages. |
| 00:02.46 | azreal | Delph: oops. |
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| 00:02.56 | azreal | that was meant for mikkel. |
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| 00:03.15 | azreal | Delph: well, you can allways modify your local menu. |
| 00:03.33 | edison | Help, i use ide-scsi option in the kernel for my cdrom, before i mounted the cd with /dev/hdb but now i don't know witch SCSI device is ? |
| 00:03.33 | mwilson | Delph: So, you write your own menu and include the Debian menu within it. Surely fluxcrap can at least do that. |
| 00:03.36 | mikkel | how do i do that ? |
| 00:03.50 | Delph | mwilson: as i said, i don't know how fluxbox does it. |
| 00:03.56 | MobyTurbo | edison: /dev/sr0 |
| 00:04.09 | japro | helix, i can compile sdl+opengl programs but they only show me a black screen... |
| 00:04.10 | mwilson | Delph: Then you have a new learning opportunity available to you, wouldn't you say? |
| 00:04.26 | azreal | mikkel: read the docs for fluxbox first. it should be something as simple as copying the menu to ~/.fluxbox. |
| 00:04.36 | Delph | mwilson: i'll survive with my openbox menu instead. |
| 00:04.43 | Pappa | who the hell would want a 200-something-apps menu? i'd go with "run", "urxvt" mail, news and a web browser |
| 00:04.43 | edison | MobyTurbo, mount /dev/sr0 /cdrom/ return is not a valid block device |
| 00:04.48 | japro | helix, and the examples i tested worked with other people... |
| 00:05.04 | igraltist | dmesg not help, i see more when i boot. i have read Fatal but nothing Fatal in dmesg |
| 00:05.15 | MobyTurbo | edison: you need more parameters than that unless it's in your /etc/fstab |
| 00:05.26 | MobyTurbo | edison: it could be that it's a different device too, check dmesg |
| 00:05.36 | Pappa | azreal: and, editing ~/.fluxbox/init from session.screen0.menuFile: /usr/share/fluxbox/menu to ~/.fluxbox/menu |
| 00:05.47 | mwilson | Delph: Or you actually bother learning how the menu system works, so that it preserves your changes, rather than making comments about how poor the Debian "configuration management" system is, which it isn't. |
| 00:05.52 | helix | menus do seem a bit useless once you settle into things |
| 00:05.52 | tga | mwilson: can I have a samba share behave as vfat (single uid/gid) so I don't have to syncronize users across machines? |
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| 00:06.02 | edison | MobyTurbo, dmesg give me no clue of witch /dev/ is |
| 00:06.06 | mwilson | tga: If you configure it that way. |
| 00:06.19 | MobyTurbo | edison: dmesg | grep -i cd |
| 00:06.57 | Delph | mwilson: Look, i'm making a suggestion to someone else. Please keep yourself to yourself if you just want to attack *me*. It's well known that the debian configuration change system is atrocious. |
| 00:07.10 | Delph | The options: Replace with new config. Leave old config. |
| 00:07.12 | tga | mwilson: do you happen to know what part of the configuration that is? |
| 00:07.18 | edison | MobyTurbo, i get some thing but no about witch /dev/ |
| 00:07.28 | mwilson | Delph: What does that have to do with the menu system? |
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| 00:07.45 | helix | Delph: it's not really "well known", actually. I don't recall seeing many people complain about it. |
| 00:07.47 | Delph | let the user go off and use vimdiff or whatever to do it. |
| 00:07.53 | MobyTurbo | edison: then maybe you don't understand what dmesg is telling you. When I used to run a 2.4 kernel I did that. |
| 00:08.06 | LeoNerd | E.g. every 3 weeks when I update ntpdate. |
| 00:08.07 | FieldySnuts | haven't herad complaints here |
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| 00:08.19 | azreal | Pappa: thanx, but i use windowmaker. :) |
| 00:08.19 | mwilson | Delph: Again, what does the procedure a package goes through, or doesn't go through, when replacing a conffile, have to do with the menu system? |
| 00:08.26 | LeoNerd | I get the choice to either a: not use the new upstream version, or b: use the new upstream version but lose my local settings. |
| 00:08.28 | walnuck | tga, a samba share is really a smb share |
| 00:08.33 | MobyTurbo | edison: do you have hdb=ide-scsi in your boot manager's configuration file? (Either as append= in /etc/lilo.conf or in grub's kernel command lines.) |
| 00:08.37 | LeoNerd | FieldySnuts: Consider this a complaint then. |
| 00:08.37 | walnuck | tga, samba shares are fictional |
| 00:08.38 | Delph | mwilson: because last I looked, the menu system was a configuration of the package. |
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| 00:08.43 | Pappa | yeh, i use evilwm. |
| 00:08.46 | FieldySnuts | LeoNerd: I tihnk I'll consider it a troll |
| 00:08.50 | edison | MobyTurbo, yes |
| 00:08.50 | FieldySnuts | thanks for trying |
| 00:08.51 | LeoNerd | A troll?? |
| 00:08.52 | mwilson | Delph: Then, no offense, you haven't looked. |
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| 00:09.26 | mwilson | Delph: Unless you think every package ships a complete copy of the Debian menu. |
| 00:09.28 | LeoNerd | Whyso..? Doesn't sound very troll-like to me.. |
| 00:09.36 | valdyn_ | LeoNerd: if you chose to stick to old config, new config will be in <configfile>.dpkg-dist, otherwise your own file will be moved to <conffile>.old, you have to diff it manually |
| 00:09.40 | Guerin | LeoNerd: you get more options than that |
| 00:09.45 | walnuck | Delph, don't rely on looks |
| 00:09.54 | LeoNerd | Yes.. yes I know the two files exist... you still have to manually fiddle with it... |
| 00:10.00 | tga | walnuck: smbfs doesn't seem to take uid and gid options.. is there a way around it so that all files appear to be owned by the same user? |
| 00:10.14 | LeoNerd | Guerin: Yes, you also get the option to do nothing, or background it and handle it manually... |
| 00:10.20 | FieldySnuts | that's an option of samba itself |
| 00:10.22 | ogle | hm, why does bind9 listen on udp ports 1080 and 1081 |
| 00:10.29 | FieldySnuts | pry better off asking #samba or their mailing lists or there nice docs |
| 00:10.30 | Guerin | LeoNerd: what, you want it to automatically hack your changes into the default config file? |
| 00:10.32 | walnuck | tga, man smbmount, smbfs is useless, just use smbclient... |
| 00:10.39 | LeoNerd | But anyway; my point is that if you keep a pristine copy of the config when it's installed, it's simple to diff/patch those local changes onto the new config file. |
| 00:10.42 | Delph | mwilson: so why is it overwriting the existing menu changes? |
| 00:10.43 | mwilson | Guerin: *some* packages do. it's up to the maintainer. |
| 00:10.46 | edison | MobyTurbo, dmesg | grep -i /dev/ give me no output |
| 00:10.47 | tga | ah, so I'm looking in the wrong place |
| 00:10.58 | MobyTurbo | edison: that's not what I told you to do. |
| 00:10.58 | walnuck | tga, yes, rtfm! |
| 00:11.01 | Delph | (and where would i find the information: fluxbox's package doesn't have anything interesting) |
| 00:11.07 | LeoNerd | Guerin: [new local] = [new pristine] + ( [old local] - [old pristine] ) |
| 00:11.10 | mwilson | Delph: Because you modified a file directly, and the menu system didn't know about your changes, rather than making your changes in the documented manner. |
| 00:11.19 | LeoNerd | For suitable defintion of + and - to use patch and diff |
| 00:11.22 | claw | hah :) linux is a nut... it took me a while to realize i had to put my little hello world prog in the \bin folder just to run it.... is there some way to run an executable if its not in the bin or sbin folder? |
| 00:11.27 | Delph | mwilson: where can I find these documents? |
| 00:11.47 | walnuck | claw, yes, but I'd get killed for telling you :) |
| 00:11.50 | mwilson | Delph: The 'menu' package, oddly enough. |
| 00:11.53 | Delph | do they belong to fluxbox, to some debian system for doing it? |
| 00:11.55 | Delph | thankyou. |
| 00:11.56 | outlaw | I would like to know how many (min #) of the 7 iso images I need to build a base (no frills) debian system? (I can always apt-get stuff later right?) |
| 00:11.57 | ogle | you said too much! |
| 00:12.02 | walnuck | oww |
| 00:12.05 | Phated | claw: Type the full path to the program, or put the path to the program in $PATH. |
| 00:12.08 | MobyTurbo | claw: if a program is not in your path you have to specify the file path as part of the name, same as in Windows. |
| 00:12.27 | LeoNerd | Or alternatively, [new local] = [old local] + ( [new pristine] - [old pristine] ), which means you can then ship a patch file with the package itself.. |
| 00:12.28 | MobyTurbo | claw: the difference is, for security purposes, the current directory is not automatically in your path. |
| 00:12.31 | Guerin | claw: you can also run stuff with ./foo |
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| 00:12.32 | edison | MobyTurbo, i did both ! |
| 00:12.33 | valdyn_ | outlaw: only the first, however you probably dont want woody |
| 00:12.40 | japro | claw, try "./hello" instead just "hello" |
| 00:12.51 | paulswm | outlaw: If you are installing sarge, you could do a netinstall, but maybe you have a reason for not wanting to do that? |
| 00:13.06 | mirak | anyone know how I could force gnome-volume-manager to mount removable device SYNC and not ASYNC ? |
| 00:13.11 | claw | oh, ic... ./hello ok, cause i was in the path when i tried to run it |
| 00:13.20 | claw | thnx |
| 00:13.32 | valdyn_ | mirak: edit /etc/fstab |
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| 00:13.34 | gribits | thanks buddy |
| 00:13.39 | outlaw | woody is stable sarge is testing? |
| 00:13.46 | Delph | did we lose mikkel? |
| 00:13.47 | helix | yes |
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| 00:13.48 | gribits | and somehow it's the best, yes |
| 00:13.49 | walnuck | outlaw, it helps to get the first, as a rescue cd..thats 1 more than enough! (if you're really cheap like me, don't even bother :)) |
| 00:13.53 | paulswm | outlaw: yes |
| 00:13.53 | valdyn_ | !tell outlaw about woody |
| 00:13.53 | gribits | uhh, uhh, yes, yes |
| 00:13.58 | MobyTurbo | edison: if you had a lot of errors it could have been trimmed out of your dmesg |
| 00:14.00 | Delph | ah well. |
| 00:14.01 | gribits | didn't know him that well |
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| 00:14.25 | walnuck | mirak, probably a f** gconf complexity |
| 00:14.38 | Delph | mwilson: thanks for educating me; it's a pity that mikkel wasn't around for the answer. |
| 00:14.39 | gribits | but in time's the answer |
| 00:14.49 | edison | MobyTurbo, well check in # flood chanel i will paste dmesg | grep -i cd |
| 00:14.50 | gribits | yeah, i know you just ripped the packaging off your cd |
| 00:15.17 | MobyTurbo | edison: I have to go away from the computer soon, maybe someone else can help you out. |
| 00:15.18 | gribits | (some people hate!) i know niggaz are hatin man, let me find out |
| 00:15.23 | FieldySnuts | um |
| 00:15.33 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart gribits |
| 00:15.34 | edison | MobyTurbo, just check |
| 00:15.35 | gribits | real niggaz do real things, check |
| 00:15.50 | walnuck | Delph, good thing you skipped school today, they teach delusionary WinCrap over there..good thing I left flooding the washrooms the dirty teach |
| 00:15.50 | ogle | hm, nobody know why named listens on udp ports 1080 1081? |
| 00:15.50 | FieldySnuts | lay off with the n*ggaz shit |
| 00:15.50 | gribits | i like my hoes on "x" like eminem.. shit! |
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| 00:16.01 | Phated | ... WTF? |
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| 00:16.10 | suifur | !do gribits |
| 00:16.11 | outlaw | how do I find out about potato woody? dpkg? |
| 00:16.11 | Delph | walnuck: uhhuh. and on planet sane =:) |
| 00:16.16 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:16.17 | gribits | whoo! who you lovin, who you wanna be huggin, heh |
| 00:16.21 | pipeline | http://impurity.org/~stalyn/Screenshot-20052603.png WORST DESKTOP EVER. |
| 00:16.22 | gribits | just some sunshine in mind lookin fine as ever |
| 00:16.26 | FieldySnuts | shut. up. |
| 00:16.27 | pipeline | Stalyn@stalingrad. How FUCKING CUTE. |
| 00:16.27 | gribits | every other corner there's a liquor store - fuck is up? |
| 00:16.28 | gribits | time to pay his ass a visit 'fore he decide to get cute |
| 00:16.29 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Why 'ello. |
| 00:16.29 | gribits | i'd hit it yo |
| 00:16.38 | FieldySnuts | @ops gribits thinks he's a rapper / flooding |
| 00:16.42 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: gribits thinks he's a rapper / flooding |
| 00:16.43 | pipeline | whoa, wrong channel |
| 00:17.00 | suifur | pipeline: if its not the worst, its close tot he worst |
| 00:17.01 | gribits | sometimes showbiz is the worst |
| 00:17.01 | helix | what the |
| 00:17.02 | gribits | appear on my show, i'm not phased, if it weren't for me, you wouldn't be on this track in the |
| 00:17.02 | walnuck | Delph, I cannot be bitten as I am now a tux without pampers, I can't fly but I have special abilities unimaginable |
| 00:17.09 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 00:17.12 | pipeline | suifur: stalyn@stalingrad takes the cake :P |
| 00:17.13 | gribits | r. -- i. -- p. |
| 00:17.17 | nvz | helix: spambot |
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| 00:17.34 | nvz | helix: or just someone thats really really stupid |
| 00:17.34 | gribits | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.35 | mentor | does it respond to interaction? |
| 00:17.41 | gribits | i'm not a spam bot :( |
| 00:17.42 | helix | gribits: hey |
| 00:17.42 | gribits | mickey, mallory, chris and neef, hey! |
| 00:17.43 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@betterqualitytraining.com] by mentor |
| 00:17.43 | *** kick/#debian [gribits!~matthew@mentor.user] by mentor (mentor) |
| 00:17.45 | Guerin | mentor: we're not sure |
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| 00:17.48 | Phated | Go on and poke it, mentor. :) |
| 00:17.50 | paulswm | YAY |
| 00:17.51 | helix | well, some kind of bot :) |
| 00:17.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:17.57 | paulswm | Thanks mentor |
| 00:17.58 | mentor | Well, apparently not. |
| 00:18.00 | Guerin | betterqualitytraining |
| 00:18.06 | Phated | NOT. :) |
| 00:18.08 | mentor | I mean, yes, it does respond to interaction |
| 00:18.42 | walnuck | training is draining..sometimes its better to put the whole package that way than trying to filter him from torture |
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| 00:18.55 | nvz | kawfees are getting smarter |
| 00:19.09 | helix | it has its own channel |
| 00:19.38 | ryan- | kawfees? |
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| 00:20.04 | nvz | ryan-: yeah, you'd have to had been here for a few years to know about kawfee |
| 00:20.08 | walnuck | can SeLinux be considered a debian ass enhancer or an um experimental dumbness in this world today? |
| 00:20.32 | FieldySnuts | "ass enhancer"?! |
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| 00:20.39 | FieldySnuts | do I wanna know? |
| 00:20.44 | ryan- | no. |
| 00:20.48 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:20.50 | Phated | nvz: Painfully, you can know about kawfee by being here... About 9 months. |
| 00:20.50 | nvz | FieldySnuts: I think walnuck was the earlier generation of the bot we just seen |
| 00:20.52 | walnuck | Se= stinky end, I though not so.. |
| 00:20.58 | Guerin | i think so too |
| 00:21.09 | Guerin | walnuck: do you think you could start making sense? |
| 00:21.10 | nvz | Phated: he's been permabanned for a long time it seems |
| 00:21.11 | walnuck | so I won't bother with it |
| 00:21.13 | ryan- | walnuck: wtf? |
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| 00:21.29 | Phated | nvz: He's been back a couple times. No matter. :) |
| 00:21.45 | walnuck | hey, I'm trying to get sense of this selinux stuff...its confusing |
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| 00:22.08 | poonj | hey guys |
| 00:22.10 | nvz | Phated: yeah, to show that he admires helix's website, and such |
| 00:22.13 | poonj | is jfs slower than ext3? |
| 00:22.13 | walnuck | i invented a new acronym, anyone wish to hear it? |
| 00:22.21 | ryan- | walnuck: no |
| 00:22.22 | ian2_ | walnuck: probably not |
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| 00:22.32 | Phated | nvz: Reeeaally. Interesting. |
| 00:22.38 | Guerin | wow, acronyms are so hard to inven t |
| 00:22.49 | walnuck | for a cool buck and a scream in the corporate acronym world..its a good one |
| 00:22.57 | nvz | Phated: yeah when he flooded all her info in here, it was all on her website.. |
| 00:23.05 | lizsac | doh sorry about that |
| 00:23.06 | helix | no it wasn't |
| 00:23.06 | lizsac | hahah |
| 00:23.09 | ian2_ | haha |
| 00:23.15 | alex390x | hello, i have a question about wireless networking, i recently switched from a debian kernel 2.4 to 2.6 and I had everything set right in 2.4 but for some reason the essid (set by 'wireless_essid (ESSID)' in /etc/network/interfaces) is not correct and is the default of the cisco card when i boot..and if i change the essid, it allows me to connect, the wep is in the same file and works fine, if you can help pls pm me |
| 00:23.18 | lizsac | gribits is stalking me |
| 00:23.22 | Phated | nvz: <shrug> Must have missed it. |
| 00:23.22 | helix | I don't have my driver's license info on my website |
| 00:23.23 | ian2_ | new stable comes sometime between now and the heat death of the universe |
| 00:23.27 | ian2_ | most likely near the latter |
| 00:23.31 | Guerin | lizsac: /umode +CE |
| 00:23.37 | nvz | helix: you had it all on there before, other than the liscence number. |
| 00:23.55 | walnuck | after reading up about the new spit acronmy I got pissed and submitted diarrhea to acronymfinder (dumb internet acronyms really rate horribly everywhere ass**) yuck yuck.. I'll stay away from this talk from now on..I'm a little disappointe in novelty that's all :( |
| 00:24.06 | helix | nvz: ...no |
| 00:24.06 | C17H21NO4 | When resizing(reducing) a partition with resize2fs/fdisk, should the partition and the filesystem be the same size, or is there some overhead that requires that the partition be slightly larger? |
| 00:24.14 | walnuck | nasteh |
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| 00:24.48 | ogle | is walnuck a bot? |
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| 00:24.57 | nvz | ogle: worse, an idiot |
| 00:25.00 | ian2_ | ogle: are *you* a bot? |
| 00:25.03 | phogg | C17H21NO4: the filesystem has pverhead. How much depends on which filesystem and what options are used. Usually resize tools compensate for this automatically |
| 00:25.06 | ian2_ | <scarymusic> |
| 00:25.08 | ogle | ian2_: does not compute |
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| 00:25.22 | ian2_ | ogle: "inpuuuuuut! neeeeeed inpuuuuuut!" |
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| 00:25.35 | walnuck | I'm not a bot, but a pretty decent living organism, a bipedalism, a derivative of the proper |
| 00:25.45 | walnuck | I'm a poet! |
| 00:25.47 | FieldySnuts | must be sunday |
| 00:25.48 | snoke | can kernel print all messages to serilport not to tty0 ? |
| 00:25.49 | walnuck | for women! |
| 00:25.50 | helix | wtf |
| 00:25.50 | ian2_ | that was a great movie, but I forget what its called now =( |
| 00:25.57 | ian2_ | FieldySnuts: not on mars. |
| 00:26.00 | Guerin | walnuck: /j #lostpoets |
| 00:26.02 | ryan- | walnuck: what are you on? |
| 00:26.13 | ian2_ | ryan-: ass-fumes |
| 00:26.14 | walnuck | ryan-, women of course, you? |
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| 00:26.25 | nvz | sucks to be you guys, I'm going away from home :P |
| 00:26.28 | walnuck | ryan-, dogs? |
| 00:26.30 | karsten | snoke: Yes. man ksyslogd |
| 00:26.42 | nvz | just so I dont have to subject myself to anymore of this |
| 00:26.52 | karsten | Anyone know what /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates is and how it's parsed? |
| 00:26.58 | Pook | is there a way to give my / directory more disk space without reinstalling deb? |
| 00:26.59 | helix | oh wow, metoffice.gov.uk has the cutest cloud drawings |
| 00:27.04 | ian2_ | karsten: a magical file, and magic. |
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| 00:27.09 | Phated | walnuck: "living organism" is redundant, and it's "biped". |
| 00:27.15 | nvz | I would have been gone hours ago if my family knew how to answer the fucking door when my cousin came earlier |
| 00:27.17 | walnuck | Pook, yes, but its ugly |
| 00:27.23 | nvz | gawd that pisses me off |
| 00:27.25 | Phated | You must be a poet. They're notorious for their grammar. |
| 00:27.27 | C17H21NO4 | phogg: Does fdisk? I resized a filesystem to 80GB, then recreated the partition of the same size. I forgot to remove it out of my fstab, and now it will not boot. It is a remote machine and I have to wait until tomorrow before I will be able to get back in it. I may just need to fsck it, but I suspect I need to make the partition a little bigger. |
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| 00:27.38 | helix | mmm, grammar |
| 00:27.48 | walnuck | Phated, I'm better than the golden arch |
| 00:27.48 | phogg | C17H21NO4: fdisk does not resize, it deletes and creates. |
| 00:27.51 | ian2_ | helix: grammer, you say? |
| 00:27.53 | karsten | ian2_: Thank yee kindly. |
| 00:27.58 | ian2_ | helix: what is this grammer you speak of? |
| 00:28.01 | ian2_ | karsten: always here to help |
| 00:28.03 | Pook | walnuck, how would I go about finding out how it's done? |
| 00:28.03 | helix | I would never misspell "grammar" |
| 00:28.04 | Phated | It's like throwing chum into shark-infested waters, the helix just pops right up. |
| 00:28.05 | karsten | helix: Greets. Long time. |
| 00:28.08 | Guerin | ian2_: of which you speak |
| 00:28.17 | Phated | walnuck: "arches"... |
| 00:28.18 | helix | hey :) |
| 00:28.20 | karsten | nvz: There are dead organisms. |
| 00:28.32 | Phated | karsten: Those are corpses. |
| 00:28.39 | snoke | karsten: i mean from from start , before rootfs is mounted |
| 00:28.44 | nvz | karsten: I don't see what that has to do with why my family is anti-social |
| 00:28.44 | walnuck | Pook, its not easy, but you can boot into rescue, create a partition for /usr where most of the data lies |
| 00:28.47 | Phated | karsten: And I would be FREAKED if they were on IRC writing bad rhymes. |
| 00:28.53 | karsten | Phated: Dunno. Do you call dead plants "corpses"? |
| 00:28.56 | walnuck | Pook, then you'll have to edit /etc/fstab |
| 00:29.01 | C17H21NO4 | phogg: Right, so would the best way be to revert my changes. Make the filesystem say 79gb, create the 80gb partition, and then let resize2fs just fill the partition? |
| 00:29.01 | Phated | karsten: No, "food". |
| 00:29.10 | karsten | Phated: You clearly aren't sufficiently jaded by reality yet. |
| 00:29.14 | tga | I'm having trouble with smbmount <share> <mountpoint> -o uid=tga,gid=tga.. the mountpoint itself gets the right uid but all its subdirs get the server uid.. is this normal? |
| 00:29.19 | Phated | karsten: But yeah, sure, corpses. |
| 00:29.24 | nvz | I haven't seen my little cousin in years, and he shows up on my doorstep and nobody answers the fucking door |
| 00:29.28 | helix | poor Phated, so scared / of poets and their cool rhymes / she should get offline |
| 00:29.32 | Pook | walnuck, is this a common thing people ask about? |
| 00:29.46 | nvz | on a day, I have absolutly nothing to do, no less |
| 00:29.50 | walnuck | Phated, the golden part may it sound more incredible-learning that there are many new recursions of a pentagram coming this way.. |
| 00:29.52 | phogg | C17H21NO4: You are probably screwed. Get some recovery tools now. |
| 00:30.01 | nvz | I need to remove my comma key |
| 00:30.05 | nvz | I am using it too much |
| 00:30.06 | Phated | helix: Nice. |
| 00:30.14 | helix | that one was crap :) |
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| 00:30.15 | karsten | tga: For a server with security symantics (Linux, Unix, WinNT/2K/XP), the share itself will express the permissions of the underlying files. |
| 00:30.16 | nvz | I used to use periods |
| 00:30.25 | ian2_ | nvz: kerosene works nicely for that. |
| 00:30.29 | Phated | helix: Pah, it was OK for something on short notice. |
| 00:30.40 | walnuck | Pook, I'm not a common one, I am the one poet you cannot denounce, ask the channel I say thee! |
| 00:30.43 | helix | I have entire conversations in haiku with one of my friends |
| 00:30.47 | karsten | tga: There's a translation from admin/root permissions to something else, see the Samba docs for this. |
| 00:30.53 | nvz | ian2_: I actually took my keyboard apart last night and filed the keycaps of 11 keys off with a nail file. |
| 00:30.55 | Phated | helix: Cool. |
| 00:30.57 | helix | I think the longest we've gone is an hour |
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| 00:31.03 | helix | though it's interspersed with limericks |
| 00:31.07 | ian2_ | nvz: wow, you sound smart. |
| 00:31.13 | C17H21NO4 | phogg: I think I am ok. I have done something similar before. :) |
| 00:31.16 | ian2_ | nvz: teach me some of your infinite wisdom! |
| 00:31.22 | ian2_ | (/me heads off to code again) |
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| 00:31.29 | nvz | ian2_: well they were badly labled "extra" keys |
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| 00:31.42 | karsten | helix: Conversations in / haiku are inherently / like the rains of spring. |
| 00:31.52 | Guerin | hah |
| 00:31.54 | nvz | ian2_: I cannot use a key that has stupid pictures on them that dont resemble what I will be using them for, it bothered me |
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| 00:32.06 | ian2_ | nvz: hah, you look at your keyboard =P |
| 00:32.09 | C17H21NO4 | phogg: since I did not create a filesystem on the space I was freeing up. |
| 00:32.10 | ian2_ | I havent seen it in weeks! |
| 00:32.12 | paulswm | I have keys like that |
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| 00:32.18 | walnuck | tga, you can mount simply with smbclient, that's what I use, or try konqueror |
| 00:32.28 | nvz | no I touch type.. but the multimedia keys are touch type keys |
| 00:32.34 | paulswm | one of them has a picture of an A on it, another S... |
| 00:32.41 | Delph | karsten: a bit wet, and very depressing? |
| 00:32.43 | nvz | I got 4 on the left, 4 on the right, and 10 on the top |
| 00:32.49 | nvz | I filed off 11 of them |
| 00:32.57 | helix | haha |
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| 00:33.01 | nvz | they are just blank now |
| 00:33.21 | nvz | looks better, IMO |
| 00:33.31 | karsten | Delph: a sign of new life / bad for getting laundry dry / but welcome the same. |
| 00:33.49 | nvz | s/are/aren't/ |
| 00:33.50 | Pook | walnuck, I am having trouble logging into my non-root use, after doing some reading i found out that my / partition being 100% full is the cause of my problem |
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| 00:33.57 | Farris1 | I've got a a compute farm of 15 linux servers, and it's growing. Our engineers use various cpu/ram-intensive tools like VCS and MATLAB, and they're starting to butt heads over CPU time. Is there any sort of automated process queue or load management tool that can handle this sort of thing across several machines? |
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| 00:34.15 | mikkel | how do i untar a .tar.bz2 file, tryed with tar -jxfv fil.tar.bz2 but got an error ? |
| 00:34.17 | walnuck | Pook, you can try cleaning cache for apt (apt-cache clean) |
| 00:34.27 | port80 | Farris, cluster them? |
| 00:34.30 | Pook | oh ok..thx |
| 00:34.34 | walnuck | mikkel, close, f has to be before the filename |
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| 00:34.43 | walnuck | mikkel, that's a bitch ain't it? |
| 00:34.49 | walnuck | !bitch |
| 00:34.49 | dpkg | you fool you're scaring away women. go read HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux at http://www.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html |
| 00:34.52 | Delph | mikkel: did you see about the 'menu' package? |
| 00:34.53 | karsten | helix: far worse for your brain / I created a license / that is a haiku |
| 00:34.56 | mikkel | ? |
| 00:34.56 | walnuck | oops |
| 00:35.05 | Farris1 | port80: Is it a bitch to cluster existing debian boxes? |
| 00:35.06 | nvz | haha |
| 00:35.14 | Delph | mikkel: and your fluxbox menus getting dissappeared? |
| 00:35.15 | port80 | Farris, no idea |
| 00:35.36 | walnuck | mikkel, -jxvf or even -xjvf -vxjf ... (see the -f it requires a following filename) |
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| 00:35.59 | nvz | oh well I am going out before it gets too late... and I end up sitting here with the rest of you being annoyed. |
| 00:36.06 | mikkel | i fix that, just: copy yhe /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxboxmenu to ~/.fluxbox/menu and then edit the ~/.fluxbox/init |
| 00:36.19 | helix | karsten: is it restrictive? / or simply: do what you want / everything is free? |
| 00:36.29 | mikkel | thx |
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| 00:37.18 | squigly | am I going to be hurt for asking about ubuntu in here? |
| 00:37.39 | walnuck | squigly, yes, if you start loving your desktop |
| 00:37.42 | karsten | helix: It is free, free, strewth / free as the air, as the beer / cherry blossoms sing. |
| 00:37.49 | helix | haha |
| 00:38.10 | bob2 | squigly: #ubuntu is the ubuntu channel |
| 00:38.21 | idnar | squigly: yes you will be hurt / rather ask your questions in / #ubuntu now |
| 00:38.40 | walnuck | no its okay, but as long as he stays away from his desktop |
| 00:38.44 | squigly | ok, sorry typed ubuntu wrong when I went looking for it before |
| 00:38.54 | helix | "ubunto" |
| 00:39.04 | dodophobic | lol that was cute squigly |
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| 00:39.40 | walnuck | dodophobic, what's cute is that there are naked pornographic people on ubuntu desktops.. :) |
| 00:39.46 | karsten | helix: this document may / be freely distributed / with attribution. |
| 00:39.49 | Phated | Semi-naked. |
| 00:39.53 | squigly | I wonder is there a mysql 4.1 package for debian ( i need to set up a DB server) |
| 00:39.54 | idnar | walnuck: where? where?! |
| 00:39.55 | dodophobic | lol |
| 00:39.56 | karsten | Phated: That too. |
| 00:40.00 | walnuck | Phated, full-fledged naked! |
| 00:40.04 | Guerin | if that's what you calll porn, you need to get out more |
| 00:40.05 | Phated | karsten: :| |
| 00:40.17 | bob2 | no, they're not naked |
| 00:40.18 | dodophobic | well the thing about asking if he will get hurt |
| 00:40.21 | Phated | Guerin: Oh, lastlog the person, that much is obvious. |
| 00:40.28 | bob2 | they're semi-naked |
| 00:40.29 | dodophobic | lol |
| 00:40.30 | squigly | given I have never done a debian install before how scares should I be? |
| 00:40.32 | karsten | bob2: I prefer demi-naked myself |
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| 00:40.42 | Guerin | squigly: can you read? |
| 00:40.46 | karsten | squigly: No. |
| 00:40.47 | Phated | karsten: What, no more haikus? |
| 00:40.47 | dodophobic | well they are quite naked if u ask me |
| 00:40.50 | karsten | !tell squigly about d-i |
| 00:40.52 | bob2 | squigly: are you actually using Debian or are you using Ubuntu? |
| 00:41.00 | Guerin | squigly: if you can read, you can install and run debian. |
| 00:41.02 | Phated | Naked is not a slide. Naked is a toggle. |
| 00:41.06 | squigly | karsIm using nothing yet |
| 00:41.07 | Guerin | dodophobic: example? |
| 00:41.16 | Phated | You are naked, or you are not. You can't be "quite naked". |
| 00:41.25 | karsten | Phated: haiku buffer buffer nil / rebuilding entropy now / please stand by, thanks. |
| 00:41.32 | Guerin | Phated: what about socks? |
| 00:41.33 | dodophobic | well ubutu is a distro off Deb as I know with my limited knowledge |
| 00:41.42 | bob2 | I guess it's still sunday due to daylight saving or something |
| 00:41.45 | Phated | karsten: "please stand by, thanks"? |
| 00:41.46 | idnar | Phated: you obviously know exactly which buttons to push |
| 00:41.47 | walnuck | Phated, other way around, when people get excited its a toggle on the naked >:) |
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| 00:42.00 | Phated | karsten: And the first line, too. :) |
| 00:42.09 | Phated | idnar: Yes, the one in your face called your nose. |
| 00:42.11 | squigly | jeff waugh a ubunto debian is part of my local LUG so I hear ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu |
| 00:42.17 | Phated | Guerin: No. Socks... no. |
| 00:42.30 | karsten | Phated: a system error / underflow detected. Oops! / Will be corrected now. |
| 00:42.40 | Phated | karsten: Brilliant! :) |
| 00:42.42 | blal | Simple-ish Qmail question: root@localhost, abuse@localhost, etc. are directed to postmaster (per /etc/qmail/users/alias). How do I direct postmaster's mail to my user account (leonidas)? |
| 00:42.44 | Xsquared | hi, i just bought a wireless network card and im wondering if it would work on linux. It seems generic. Would it be supported? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44996&item=5178374176&rd=1 |
| 00:42.45 | bob2 | hah, even debsig is all about Ubuntu nowadays |
| 00:42.47 | Phated | karsten: Or, well, nice. :) |
| 00:42.49 | dodophobic | wel they show a lot of skin |
| 00:42.52 | bob2 | blal: try #qmail |
| 00:43.03 | squigly | so can I ask if there is a mysql 4.1 package or how I find if there is one? |
| 00:43.04 | blal | bob2 : Okie doke. |
| 00:43.14 | bob2 | squigly: are you using ubuntu or Debian? |
| 00:43.18 | idnar | karsten: Will-be-cor-rec-ted-now is 6 syllables :P |
| 00:43.22 | squigly | neither as yet |
| 00:43.23 | simonrvn | @tell squigly -about search |
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| 00:43.37 | squigly | I cant search I dont have a an install yet |
| 00:43.48 | Phated | Oooh, harsh, I didn't see that one. |
| 00:43.52 | squigly | is there web based access to the package repository |
| 00:43.52 | Phated | idnar: Good eye. |
| 00:43.53 | avu | squigly: packages.debian.org |
| 00:43.54 | walnuck | bob2: he asked for permission if he'd get punished for being ubuntu-trended |
| 00:44.01 | bob2 | walnuck: yes, I know |
| 00:44.05 | simonrvn | squigly: read the factoid instead of whining |
| 00:44.15 | Phated | karsten: Shiiit, action haikus. You win. |
| 00:44.16 | walnuck | bob2, well then, punish him! |
| 00:44.18 | bob2 | squigly: indeed, sarge has mysql 4.1 |
| 00:44.21 | bob2 | walnuck: no |
| 00:44.26 | Guerin | karsten: your haiku are starting to lack kidai |
| 00:44.28 | walnuck | bob2, ok.. |
| 00:44.38 | claw | lol haikus.... |
| 00:44.41 | walnuck | bob2, you're too generous..I thought you'd rtfm daresay! |
| 00:44.46 | helix | is 'haiku' the singular and the plural? |
| 00:44.48 | karsten | idnar: user perception / is accurate. You see the / underflow is fixed. |
| 00:44.52 | Guerin | yes |
| 00:45.00 | Phated | helix: Haikue? :) |
| 00:45.04 | squigly | thanks for the help full people, !thanks to the unhelpfull people |
| 00:45.05 | helix | haikii |
| 00:45.10 | idnar | haha |
| 00:45.14 | Phated | Haikiki! |
| 00:45.25 | claw | err well in that case i ment... 'lol haiku...' |
| 00:45.31 | helix | why you so blur one, Phated |
| 00:45.31 | FieldySnuts | @abuse me |
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| 00:45.42 | FieldySnuts | much better |
| 00:45.46 | Phated | helix: You have to stop doing that, it makes me head spin. |
| 00:45.50 | helix | :) |
| 00:45.52 | Phated | my. |
| 00:45.56 | Phated | helix: :P |
| 00:46.30 | karsten | Guerin: every time a bad / haiku is written, God kills / a kidai. Most sad. |
| 00:46.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:46.58 | simonrvn | @karsten++ |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | !beer karsten |
| 00:47.36 | helix | Phated: where in .sg are you? |
| 00:47.45 | Guerin | dozens of thousands / mounds of decaying kidai / weeping in the snow |
| 00:47.49 | abrotman | is there anywhere to be but .sg ? |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | i didn't realize it was that big |
| 00:47.57 | Phated | helix: ... .sg? If you want to be specific, CCK? |
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| 00:48.22 | helix | I ask because this job I interviewed for is always sending people there |
| 00:48.25 | helix | though I don't know where |
| 00:48.44 | Guerin | singapore is really small |
| 00:48.47 | helix | but they seem to come back, which is the important part |
| 00:48.49 | Phated | Eh, the only places you could possibly get sent in corporatey things is in the middle of town. Raffles Place/City Hall. |
| 00:49.02 | Phated | Maybe Bugis. Not much else. |
| 00:49.06 | bob2 | or the speaker's corner! |
| 00:49.14 | karsten | Phated: I know those placenames.... |
| 00:49.16 | Phated | I think that one died. |
| 00:49.19 | karsten | Phated: ....from FreeCiv. |
| 00:49.25 | Phated | karsten: ... |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | helix: when i was a kid i went to st augustine to visit and it was nice .. is it a place i might want to live? |
| 00:49.33 | Phated | I need to play FreeCiv. |
| 00:49.36 | helix | abrotman: no |
| 00:49.40 | abrotman | helix: why not? .. |
| 00:49.43 | FieldySnuts | i stink at that game |
| 00:49.44 | abrotman | if you don't mind my asking |
| 00:49.50 | abrotman | helix: i wanna move where it's warm :) |
| 00:49.51 | helix | because there are lots of old people and tourists |
| 00:49.54 | helix | much like the rest of florida |
| 00:50.00 | abrotman | oh .. that's not that bad |
| 00:50.06 | helix | and they always flood when it rains |
| 00:50.07 | abrotman | i spent summers in maine :) |
| 00:50.08 | Phated | Nothing wrong with old people. They're nice. Mostly. |
| 00:50.18 | abrotman | Phated: and they bake cookies! |
| 00:50.26 | Phated | I bake cookies too. :| |
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| 00:50.34 | abrotman | Phated: do you live in st augustine? |
| 00:50.42 | helix | abrotman: anyway, st. augustine is pretty nice |
| 00:50.46 | Phated | No, because I'm not old or a tourist. :) |
| 00:50.50 | asuffield | Phated: obviously you have not encountered the wrong kind of old people. they're NUTS |
| 00:50.54 | Guerin | i dreamed I saw St Augustine |
| 00:50.58 | Guerin | does that count? |
| 00:50.59 | abrotman | helix: my range is basically anywhere it snows 2 or fewer times a year :) |
| 00:51.01 | helix | abrotman: but I wouldn't move there because of how badly they're hit when it rains or when there are hurricanes |
| 00:51.02 | mrhemlock | abrotman, florida is humid |
| 00:51.06 | Phated | asuffield: I count my blessings then. :) |
| 00:51.11 | abrotman | mrhemlock: PA is cold |
| 00:51.18 | Phated | abrotman: Even more humid than .sg! Move here! |
| 00:51.25 | helix | abrotman: (hm, otoh, many places in florida are badly hit..) |
| 00:51.36 | asuffield | you people all have sucky countries |
| 00:51.38 | abrotman | humidity doesn't bother me .. freezing my ass off for 4 months does |
| 00:51.43 | helix | Jacksonville, FL: Cloudy, 20°C, 11 mph ESE wind, RH 98% |
| 00:51.48 | helix | 98% ... yeah baby |
| 00:51.51 | idnar | asuffield: there are countries that don't suck? |
| 00:51.52 | abrotman | helix: right now? |
| 00:51.56 | helix | yeah |
| 00:51.57 | Phated | yeah? :) |
| 00:52.01 | abrotman | helix: it's raining though? |
| 00:52.02 | Phated | Heh. |
| 00:52.05 | helix | no |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:52.11 | Phated | idnar: His, obviously. |
| 00:52.20 | simonrvn | montreal, qc: 5C, partly cloudy, hum. 57% |
| 00:52.23 | Phated | If it were raining, it'd be 100. |
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| 00:52.30 | Phated | Sweet, Montreal it is. |
| 00:52.32 | abrotman | helix: but it was rainy today? |
| 00:52.38 | helix | yeah, it's rainy every day |
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| 00:52.44 | asuffield | idnar: I have never encountered a hurricane, or snow above my waistline, or humidity higher than a shower, or any of these other things |
| 00:52.45 | abrotman | i mean more than normal :) |
| 00:53.02 | walnuck | asuffield, too bad you don't travel too often... |
| 00:53.03 | Phated | asuffield: Shower humidity is 100%. :) |
| 00:53.05 | abrotman | i saw tornado watches this AM in the panhandle |
| 00:53.07 | helix | abrotman: in the spring and summer it rains nearly every day, usually around 3pm |
| 00:53.19 | abrotman | good .. i'll be inside :) |
| 00:53.20 | Phated | helix: What kind of rain? |
| 00:53.21 | idnar | asuffield: ah ok. aforementioned don't happen too often in South Africa either ;) |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | Phated: the wet kind |
| 00:53.28 | helix | there are different kinds? |
| 00:53.30 | Phated | abrotman: :P |
| 00:53.36 | asuffield | idnar: there's a fair number of places in the temperate zones |
| 00:53.37 | Phated | helix: Muggy rain, or cooling rain? |
| 00:53.42 | helix | it's always muggy rain |
| 00:53.44 | asuffield | but there fools live in silly places |
| 00:53.44 | abrotman | sprinkle or downpour ? |
| 00:53.48 | Phated | Ah, ew. |
| 00:53.49 | asuffield | s/there/these/ |
| 00:54.10 | helix | in the summer when it rains you can go outside and see steam coming up from the ground |
| 00:54.14 | abrotman | yes! |
| 00:54.17 | abrotman | i'm so moving |
| 00:54.21 | Phated | Yeah, I'll stick to my rain. |
| 00:54.25 | asuffield | I did once encounter horizontal rain, but that was a few years ago |
| 00:54.33 | helix | abrotman: sprinkle *and* downpour, sometimes in the same day |
| 00:54.43 | helix | horizontal rain is hard to drive in :( |
| 00:54.44 | abrotman | helix: yay! |
| 00:54.53 | port80 | even harder to ride into |
| 00:54.54 | abrotman | not if you're travelling with it! |
| 00:54.59 | asuffield | who the hell drives in it? we just stand around and laugh until it stops |
| 00:55.05 | walnuck | montreal is nice.. |
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| 00:55.07 | Phated | In the rain? |
| 00:55.15 | Guerin | never rains in the pub |
| 00:55.19 | port80 | heh |
| 00:55.27 | walnuck | its my city! |
| 00:55.27 | helix | horizontal snow also sucks |
| 00:55.31 | walnuck | offbounds! |
| 00:55.31 | Phated | We're on IRC all the time, who cares about the weather. |
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| 00:55.34 | asuffield | what sort of idiot stands around in the rain? we have these wonderful inventions called 'umbrellas' which create portable zones of non-rain |
| 00:55.45 | caphuso | helix: so does non-horizontal snow |
| 00:55.55 | Phated | asuffield: We go one better! We have "roofs"! |
| 00:55.59 | Guerin | heh, nobody uses umbrellas where I come from, on account of the wind |
| 00:56.04 | Phated | Which keep you dryer, longer. |
| 00:56.12 | asuffield | snow around here typically looks like icing sugar |
| 00:56.15 | Guerin | Phated: but are unfortunately less portable |
| 00:56.17 | port80 | asuffield, umbrellas suffer from a phenonomen known as 'torn-inside-out' |
| 00:56.31 | abrotman | yes .. we get snow .. feet of snow during the winter |
| 00:56.32 | Phated | Guerin: Who needs portable? I got a net connection, I got food, I got shelter. |
| 00:56.43 | helix | "also acne and no friends" |
| 00:56.45 | asuffield | port80: see, that means you're living in the wrong damn place. it just shouldn't get like that |
| 00:56.45 | caphuso | i've got a stupid looking goretex suit |
| 00:56.54 | Guerin | Phated: oh, that's right. You have no job either. |
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| 00:56.56 | Phated | helix: With IRC, who needs friends. |
| 00:57.01 | Phated | Guerin: Aye. |
| 00:57.02 | helix | I totally agree |
| 00:57.08 | asuffield | s/IRC/porn/ |
| 00:57.16 | Phated | No. |
| 00:57.17 | port80 | s/porn/wife |
| 00:57.20 | caphuso | beats the crap out of any umbrella |
| 00:57.32 | helix | those burqa looking things for rain are cool |
| 00:57.33 | port80 | wife can also double as umbrella |
| 00:57.33 | helix | ponchos |
| 00:57.34 | Phated | Er... definitely not. |
| 00:57.46 | Guerin | i have a polish leather coat which makes me feel like a kgb officer |
| 00:58.01 | Guerin | that keeps rain/snow/slee/hail out pretty well |
| 00:58.19 | Phated | Doesn't stop a decent-sized hailstone from knocking you out. |
| 00:58.46 | idnar | Phated: neither will most umbrellas |
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| 00:59.02 | Phated | idnar: And he doesn't even have umbrellas! |
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| 00:59.24 | asuffield | Phated: that's not hail. that's artillery. |
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| 00:59.55 | Guerin | hrm, how to I make something loop until it succeeds? |
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| 01:00.09 | Guerin | like apt-get -dy dist-upgrade, for example |
| 01:00.27 | Guerin | this connection is unreliable, and things time out randomly |
| 01:00.29 | Phated | asuffield: Nature's war. |
| 01:00.45 | bob2 | while ! apt-get -dy dist-upgrade ; do sleep 10s; done |
| 01:01.07 | Guerin | bob2: ! means failed? |
| 01:01.11 | asuffield | (besides, umbrellas are neat) |
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| 01:01.26 | caphuso | until something; do sleep XX; done |
| 01:02.01 | bob2 | ! = not |
| 01:02.04 | terrigan | Hello,, can anyone answer a question? |
| 01:02.07 | bob2 | oh, didn;t know sh had until |
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| 01:02.27 | Guerin | hrm, interesting |
| 01:03.51 | terrigan | I'm looking for some help with Debian, can anyone help me? |
| 01:04.06 | caphuso | !tell terrigan -about smart questions |
| 01:04.19 | oramirez | terrigan, just ask... |
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| 01:05.38 | raf256 | !gentosmite reiserFS |
| 01:05.43 | raf256 | !gentoosmite reiserFS |
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| 01:06.47 | Analyser | someone knows which package creates de www-data user? |
| 01:07.00 | terrigan | Just having an issue with how rc3 starts up, i'm trying to mount a samba share and it seems to me that it's trying to mount the share before it inits the wlan card |
| 01:07.09 | ryan- | Analyser: several |
| 01:07.12 | terrigan | Mount the share in fstab |
| 01:07.31 | ryan- | Analyser: apache will create it, as well as some other web servers. |
| 01:07.31 | Analyser | ryan-: like ?! |
| 01:07.31 | asuffield | lessee... temperature 5 to 14 degrees celsius, RH 69% to 83%, winds 4-9mph, light showers (for the next few days) |
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| 01:07.36 | asuffield | and this is the most miserable time of year |
| 01:07.41 | asuffield | helix: have you considered emigrating? :P |
| 01:07.42 | Analyser | ryan-: ok |
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| 01:07.50 | helix | asuffield: yeah, just don't know where to |
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| 01:08.05 | helix | brazil was nice |
| 01:08.05 | gravity | helix: San Diego is very nice right now |
| 01:08.07 | Phated | 83? That's way too dry for helix! :) |
| 01:08.29 | asuffield | 60-80% is the comfortable region |
| 01:08.40 | helix | yeah, anything below 60% is just painful |
| 01:08.56 | helix | well, actually, ~40% ugh |
| 01:09.04 | Mike77 | Hi people. X-Window: how can I change screen resolution? Debian Woody here. |
| 01:09.20 | igraltist | howto enable fastwrite for the grafikcard? i write this in /etc/modules.conf alias-char-major-195 nvidia |
| 01:09.20 | igraltist | options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 |
| 01:09.20 | igraltist | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.26 | helix | asuffield: it rains too much in the UK |
| 01:09.37 | pingouin_ | http://82.127.147.138/index2.html <-- is the stream on the page work for you ? testing palantir thx |
| 01:09.44 | asuffield | helix: what on earth do you expect, a desert? |
| 01:10.00 | asuffield | helix: we really don't get a great deal of rain |
| 01:10.09 | helix | asuffield: is that dependant on location in the UK? |
| 01:10.18 | helix | I wouldn't mind it being overcast all the time; my eyes are sensitive |
| 01:10.37 | asuffield | well, if you live on a scottish island then you can expect to be pretty soggy |
| 01:10.38 | dan2 | San Jose is nice |
| 01:11.05 | asuffield | but by and large it's pretty dry. and 'light rain' does mean 'light', you can walk in it without getting wet |
| 01:11.09 | dan2 | isn't anywhere I hate more than florida |
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| 01:11.21 | asuffield | nobody likes florida |
| 01:11.38 | helix | miami is cool |
| 01:12.01 | Phated | What's a nice bit of the UK to live in, then? |
| 01:12.02 | dan2 | ugh |
| 01:12.06 | karsten | asuffield: Au contraire. The GOP loves it. |
| 01:12.15 | Guerin | and it loves the GOP |
| 01:12.17 | karsten | Phated: The part south of the equator. |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | helix: so i really don't want to move there? |
| 01:12.28 | karsten | Guerin: The half that's counted, yes. |
| 01:12.37 | caphuso | Phated: gibraltar |
| 01:12.41 | Phated | karsten: Name names? |
| 01:12.47 | Phated | Oh, nevermind. |
| 01:12.48 | helix | abrotman: no |
| 01:12.53 | karsten | Phated: Think. |
| 01:12.59 | asuffield | Phated: depends what you're looking for really. the climate in most of the south and midlands is pretty much the same |
| 01:13.07 | abrotman | helix: well . that stinks .. now i have to move to tennessee |
| 01:13.07 | Phated | karsten: It's 9 am. No. |
| 01:13.08 | helix | abrotman: well, it depends, I guess. if you want to settle down and so forth, you might like it |
| 01:13.15 | helix | ugh, tennessee is much worse |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | helix: i'm an old man :) |
| 01:13.19 | Phated | asuffield: Drizzly but not soaky? |
| 01:13.22 | dan2 | abrotman: you're leaving me? |
| 01:13.33 | ElectronicTempes | command to get ammount of RAM? |
| 01:13.33 | karsten | Phated: None of the UK lies south of the equator. |
| 01:13.43 | helix | one benefit to living in europe is that it's relatively cheap to get to all nearby countries |
| 01:13.47 | abrotman | dan2: i want a new job |
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| 01:13.50 | Guerin | ElectronicTempes: cat /proc/mem |
| 01:13.51 | Phated | karsten: *stab* |
| 01:13.51 | asuffield | Phated: usually, yeah. heavy rain typically only comes a few days a year |
| 01:13.52 | dan2 | abrotman: what do you do? |
| 01:13.57 | abrotman | dan2: if it's here . great .. if not .. i'm moving south |
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| 01:14.00 | abrotman | dan2: admin-ish |
| 01:14.00 | Phated | asuffield: Lovely. |
| 01:14.08 | abrotman | well .. admin |
| 01:14.10 | abrotman | no -ish |
| 01:14.10 | karsten | Phated: ...and my experience travelling through other bits of the commonwealth is that you're highly prone to finding Pommies in Australia, NZ, Canada, etc. |
| 01:14.11 | dan2 | abrotman: don't you realize there are less jobs in the south? |
| 01:14.15 | ElectronicTempes | Guerin thanks |
| 01:14.18 | abrotman | dan2: and less snow! |
| 01:14.22 | dan2 | abrotman: heh |
| 01:14.25 | Phated | karsten: OK. |
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| 01:14.31 | helix | asuffield: how hot does it get there? (where exactly are you anyway?) |
| 01:14.31 | karsten | Phated: ...and there's the point that many brits find San Francisco's weather lovley. |
| 01:14.32 | dan2 | abrotman: what about San Jose ? |
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| 01:14.35 | abrotman | dan2: and less cold! |
| 01:14.39 | abrotman | dan2: never been there |
| 01:14.46 | dan2 | abrotman: the greatest place on earth |
| 01:14.49 | ElectronicTempes | Guerin no suck file |
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| 01:14.55 | asuffield | helix: I'm on the south coast. I don't think I've ever seen a summer hotter than about 35 degrees |
| 01:14.59 | abrotman | dan2: except for the snow .. it's boston :) |
| 01:15.01 | dan2 | abrotman: coldest it gets is 45, highest 90 |
| 01:15.07 | karsten | ElectronicTempes: You're going to need to install /dev/suck. |
| 01:15.08 | helix | 35 is pretty hot |
| 01:15.14 | dan2 | abrotman: sunny all the time |
| 01:15.19 | asuffield | helix: yeah, that was a hot year. haven't had one of those in a while |
| 01:15.30 | asuffield | 25-30 is more normal |
| 01:15.35 | helix | that's not so bad |
| 01:15.36 | ElectronicTempes | Guerin it's meminfo :) thanks |
| 01:15.36 | abrotman | dan2: and uber-$$$ to live there |
| 01:15.37 | Phated | karsten: San Francisco. There's a possibility. |
| 01:15.39 | ElectronicTempes | karsten.. bit eme |
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| 01:15.51 | dan2 | abrotman: but you could make uber-$$$ living there? |
| 01:15.54 | karsten | Phated: You looking to move? |
| 01:16.04 | abrotman | dan2: and spend it all on rent :) |
| 01:16.06 | asuffield | helix: it's not like we even have air conditioning much |
| 01:16.13 | helix | err, no AC? |
| 01:16.20 | asuffield | no point |
| 01:16.21 | dan2 | abrotman: not if I already own a place ;) |
| 01:16.24 | Phated | karsten: Uhm... Something like 20 years into the future? |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | ac sucks |
| 01:16.28 | terrigan | Just a quick question: Runing Debian RC3 and trying to mount a samba share in fstab. I noticed that it fails on startup, because it attempts to mount before my wireless card inits, any help would be appreciated. |
| 01:16.28 | abrotman | dan2: yu're 15 |
| 01:16.33 | asuffield | just ionises the air, and you almost never need it |
| 01:16.35 | peterS | if it never gets above 35, nobody needs AC. except the machine room |
| 01:16.41 | karsten | Phated: OK. |
| 01:16.47 | dan2 | abrotman: doesn't mean we don't have a place in San Jose |
| 01:16.53 | helix | I'm floridian, the idea of no AC frightens me |
| 01:16.56 | Phated | karsten: Yeah. |
| 01:16.58 | abrotman | dan2: we who? |
| 01:16.59 | bjenkins | i just bought an lcd monitor, and when i alt+tab between console and X, or back to console, the screen gets displaced about four columns to the left (or right) and has to be reset in hardware |
| 01:17.07 | dan2 | abrotman: my dad |
| 01:17.08 | dan2 | :) |
| 01:17.10 | asuffield | yeah, active cooling is always present in equipment-heavy areas, like large offices and server rooms |
| 01:17.15 | abrotman | dan2: oh . but your dad doesn't know me |
| 01:17.16 | karsten | bjenkins: video card? |
| 01:17.17 | asuffield | not always full AC though |
| 01:17.19 | dan2 | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:17.30 | bjenkins | nvidia riva tnt2 |
| 01:17.34 | Phated | Don't you just, you know, open a window when you need cooling? :) |
| 01:17.41 | peterS | Phated: yes. yes, I do. |
| 01:17.50 | abrotman | dan2: but i can say the she'ma(sp?) |
| 01:17.53 | bjenkins | had the same card before without the problem in a adifferent monitor |
| 01:18.00 | helix | opening a window here has the opposite effect |
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| 01:18.03 | dan2 | abrotman: my parents are divorced |
| 01:18.06 | Phated | peterS: Good man! :) |
| 01:18.09 | Delph | depends if you have the piccadilly and district lines outside your window or not. |
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| 01:18.12 | dan2 | abrotman: shema? |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | dan2: uhm .. lords prayer sehma |
| 01:18.17 | abrotman | whatever it is |
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| 01:18.28 | dan2 | abrotman: ok, whatever you say |
| 01:18.29 | Phated | Delph: Well... hopefully if you don't. |
| 01:18.31 | peterS | yes, opening a window does have the opposite effect if you already have AC on. I don't think that was Phated's assumption (: |
| 01:18.35 | asuffield | Delph: umm. do not be such a cheapskate when you rent living space |
| 01:18.37 | abrotman | dan2: the jewish lords prayer |
| 01:18.42 | dan2 | yes I know |
| 01:18.51 | abrotman | dan2: your parents are divorced? |
| 01:18.56 | dan2 | abrotman: ya |
| 01:18.56 | Phated | I was referring to the places where people are more likely to actively heat than cool their homes. :) |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | wait .. is your mom hot? :) |
| 01:19.01 | dan2 | abrotman: no |
| 01:19.01 | Delph | asuffield: at work, not at home. (which is why we have AC at work, which doesn't work, but that's another issue) |
| 01:19.04 | ElectronicTempes | my apt-get sucks |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | dan2: oh . oh well |
| 01:19.19 | asuffield | Delph: so do not be such a cheapskate when you rent office space |
| 01:19.25 | bjenkins | native resolution is 1280x1024, which is kinda small in console, but 1024x768 left some text off the right margin |
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| 01:19.47 | bjenkins | i can get a LOT of text on the screen now... |
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| 01:20.29 | raf256 | hi there, how can I create a directory? |
| 01:20.33 | abrotman | dan2: so your dad won't let me live there eh? |
| 01:20.35 | peterS | raf256: mkdir |
| 01:20.42 | dan2 | abrotman: not likely |
| 01:20.44 | Phated | peterS: Actually, though, when you're just beginning to cool a room, such as when you first turn on the AC, you should leave a window open for a while. :) |
| 01:20.47 | raf256 | and how can I create an empty file? |
| 01:20.49 | abrotman | dan2: i'm a clean person :) |
| 01:20.50 | bjenkins | any ideas there, karsten? |
| 01:20.54 | peterS | Phated: heh, indeed |
| 01:20.56 | Phated | raf256: touch |
| 01:20.59 | helix | Phated: why? |
| 01:21.18 | asuffield | Phated: you should not turn off the AC :P |
| 01:21.22 | Phated | helix: Eh, I can't recall the specific reason, but it has something to do with the air. |
| 01:21.25 | ElectronicTempes | . |
| 01:21.26 | raf256 | what commend should I gave to tar to have it create .tgz not .tar? |
| 01:21.31 | Phated | asuffield: Yeah yeah, sure. :) |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | Phated: the warm air has somewhere to go |
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| 01:21.36 | asuffield | Phated: well, that was very... technical... of you |
| 01:21.38 | peterS | raf256: the -z flag |
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| 01:21.45 | helix | yeah, thanks for the clarification |
| 01:21.50 | Phated | asuffield: It's IRC! How technical do I need to be? |
| 01:21.58 | raf256 | and how do I extract from tar? |
| 01:22.02 | jepel_tailweaver | raf256, if you want the name to be tgz and not tar.gz, ensure to specify that in your --file or -f |
| 01:22.05 | jepel_tailweaver | raf256, tar zxvf filename |
| 01:22.10 | Phated | You have cold air inside. You give hot air a way out. You cool. |
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| 01:22.19 | peterS | jepel_tailweaver: why the -v? that's usually just annoying rather than useful |
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| 01:22.25 | raf256 | damn, I was just going to show someone that such questions will be answared with like RTFM! ... boy, YOu are polite today ;) |
| 01:22.26 | expose | hi guys. |
| 01:22.41 | jepel_tailweaver | peterS, why not -v? it lists the files as they're extracted |
| 01:22.41 | Phated | So you were trolling. |
| 01:22.43 | expose | How do i add/change/passwd/remove a user in courier? |
| 01:22.59 | expose | everything except this works for now... |
| 01:23.00 | Phated | abrotman: It definitely has something to do with it. |
| 01:23.04 | peterS | jepel_tailweaver: yeah, and wastes a great deal of bandwidth and time if it's not a local console |
| 01:23.23 | expose | Do courier users need to be real unix users also? |
| 01:23.26 | peterS | and scrolls your previous work way off the screen |
| 01:23.57 | jepel_tailweaver | peterS, if it bugs them enough, they can go read the manpage and figure it out, or use linux/unix common sense that they don't want -v |
| 01:24.20 | Phated | If they're asking how to untar a file... What linux/unix common sense? |
| 01:24.36 | jepel_tailweaver | good point |
| 01:24.41 | abrotman | peterS: have you ever actually read all the -v output .. and gone . oh crap .. there's a file missing? :) |
| 01:25.19 | FieldySnuts | i do -v by habbit. if it's remote and it lags their pipe, i'm not working for a big enough place. |
| 01:25.24 | jepel_tailweaver | hehe |
| 01:25.27 | asuffield | helix: somewhat more solid numbers: http://www.myforecast.com/bin/climate.m?city=61145&metric=false should give the climate averages for this part of the country |
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| 01:25.32 | peterS | abrotman: yes, when I'm looking in a tar file for a specific file. which usually means I'm using tar t rather than tar x |
| 01:25.36 | asuffield | (note that it's one month at a time) |
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| 01:25.45 | abrotman | peterS: that's different |
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| 01:26.04 | helix | ah, I could enjoy that |
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| 01:26.17 | arnaud | how is daylight saving time dealt with in debian ? |
| 01:26.32 | caphuso | arnaud: same way like everywhere else |
| 01:26.32 | asuffield | average summer temperature is apparently about 22 degrees, go figure |
| 01:26.37 | arnaud | does the time change automatically ? How to have it change automatically ? |
| 01:26.41 | asuffield | record is 34, so I wasn't far off |
| 01:26.42 | Phated | asuffield: Celsius? |
| 01:26.54 | asuffield | Phated: of course. why do you even have to ask? |
| 01:27.03 | asuffield | this is not bloody siberia |
| 01:27.05 | markybob | arnaud use ntpdate |
| 01:27.08 | Phated | asuffield: Habit. I need reassurance. |
| 01:27.23 | Phated | 34 is acutally hotter than most days here. |
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| 01:27.38 | asuffield | it's hotter than most days here, too |
| 01:27.41 | arnaud | markybob, and for machine on dialup ? |
| 01:27.48 | Phated | Fair enough. |
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| 01:28.02 | MobyTurbo | arnaud: that depends on how you set your time zone, if you did it right it will be automatic. |
| 01:28.13 | asuffield | I think I remember that summer. it was unpleasent. only happened twice that I recall |
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| 01:28.30 | Area-51 | im getting 60kb/s to 150kb/s from my linux box when i should be getting close to 10mb/s on my network, its 100mbit FD... any ideas? (debian sarge, kernel image 2.6.7, 3com 3c905 performance) |
| 01:28.47 | Phated | Cool. |
| 01:28.58 | arnaud | MobyTurbo, I set my TZ correctly, but (displayed) time didn't change, is it because my hardware clock is set to GMT and I am at CET ? |
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| 01:29.05 | asuffield | Area-51: the network is not the limiting factor |
| 01:29.11 | markybob | Area-51 that's it? using what? smb, ftp, scp? |
| 01:29.15 | asuffield | Area-51: something else is. go figure out what. |
| 01:29.15 | helix | we had a summer where it was like 33+ and didn't rain for *months* |
| 01:29.17 | helix | that was horrible |
| 01:29.28 | Phated | Eek. |
| 01:29.30 | peterS | ha |
| 01:29.32 | FieldySnuts | ouch |
| 01:29.36 | Area-51 | asuffield: i know its not my network thats the trouble, hence why im asking what to go after... |
| 01:29.42 | maher | helix: sounds like every summer out here... |
| 01:29.44 | asuffield | Area-51: everything else. *we* don't know |
| 01:29.47 | Area-51 | markybob: smb and ftp |
| 01:29.50 | peterS | maher: yeah, I was gonna say |
| 01:29.55 | FieldySnuts | nastiest i've been in was 115+F in deserts in california. thankfully it was a dry (very dry) heat |
| 01:29.56 | MobyTurbo | arnaud: tzconfig |
| 01:30.03 | FieldySnuts | problem is you could dehydrate very fast |
| 01:30.05 | Area-51 | asuffield: hence why im asking what to go after |
| 01:30.11 | peterS | FieldySnuts: that does sound unpleasant |
| 01:30.12 | asuffield | Area-51: everything |
| 01:30.12 | helix | well, everything died |
| 01:30.20 | helix | and I had a car that overheated very easily :P |
| 01:30.25 | Area-51 | asuffield: thats far from remotely helpful |
| 01:30.34 | Gnea | anyone running sid on a p4 system? or a 2.6.10 or .11 on a p4 sarge/sid? |
| 01:30.42 | asuffield | Area-51: <shrug> you aren't going to get anything better |
| 01:30.56 | Gnea | one doesn't boot, grub says it can't find it (it can find 2.4 kernels tho) |
| 01:31.12 | Area-51 | asuffield: if you havnt figured it out, im asking what other places i can look for things that could be a problem, but if your going to be an ass, dont say anything |
| 01:31.13 | helix | Gnea: debian kernel or self-compiled? |
| 01:31.18 | Gnea | other has unresolved symbols EVERY module |
| 01:31.26 | markybob | Area-51 he's right, you just have to play around. find out if it's your ftp server. if so, switch it up or tweak it better, etc. |
| 01:31.28 | Gnea | helix: self-compiled, of course |
| 01:31.36 | asuffield | Area-51: everywhere. obviously none of us have figured it out. YOU are the person sitting in front of the box, not us |
| 01:31.46 | helix | hm, I had a problem like that on a celeron; changing grub's menu.lst to use sda instead of hda fixed it |
| 01:31.53 | Area-51 | markybob: heh, ive already tried that otherwise i wouldnt be here asking what other things i could look into |
| 01:31.54 | asuffield | Area-51: your question is basically "something is wrong. what is wrong?". there is no even theoretically possible way that any of us could know |
| 01:32.10 | Gnea | i went thru the config on both machines about 20 times (give or take a few times) |
| 01:32.14 | Area-51 | asuffield: no, my question is basically "something is wrong, what can i look at to find out what is wrong" |
| 01:32.22 | simonrvn | asuffield: see that too often. like we're mind readers or something .... |
| 01:32.23 | Area-51 | which each app ive looked and, purged, and tried again |
| 01:32.45 | markybob | Area-51 which ftp server? |
| 01:32.54 | Area-51 | markybob: proftp |
| 01:33.18 | markybob | Area-51 try something else. vsftpd, for example. just track down where the problem is. |
| 01:33.40 | Area-51 | simonrvn: and that was just uncalled for seeing my question was nothing of the sorts |
| 01:33.56 | Area-51 | markybob: aight... |
| 01:34.03 | simonrvn | Area-51: hush up |
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| 01:35.11 | arnaud | MobyTurbo, everything with tzconfig was perfect ... but my hardware clock (which should be UTC) was 1 our late although it was synched 10 days ago with some UTC ntp server, I don't understand what was wrong, do you ? |
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| 01:36.17 | MobyTurbo | arnaud: UTC doesn't observe summertime, or whatever the brits out there call daylight savings. |
| 01:36.36 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 01:36.51 | nvz | not to mention a clock can drift a lot in 10 days |
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| 01:37.15 | arnaud | yes, but exactly 1 hour is too strange for a clock that was very stable the last year |
| 01:37.52 | asuffield | arnaud: do something silly like run windows on the same box? |
| 01:37.53 | caphuso | but exactly one hour difference when DST happens isn't too strange |
| 01:37.54 | nvz | cfaun: wtf are you doing? |
| 01:38.08 | cfaun | nvz: ? |
| 01:38.12 | cfaun | nvz: oh; whoops |
| 01:38.14 | arnaud | asuffield, err I've got a windows install, but not booted the last weeks |
| 01:38.36 | asuffield | arnaud: windows likes to set the hardware clock to non-GMT without telling you |
| 01:38.54 | nvz | cfaun: yes, the bots do tell me who caused them to /msg me :P |
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| 01:39.41 | arnaud | asuffield, yep that's true, let's assume that was my problem |
| 01:39.43 | cfaun | :-( |
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| 01:40.08 | asuffield | arnaud: it usually is. it does some really stupid things that assume your box never runs anything else |
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| 01:40.41 | nvz | I am just wondering why this person felt I needed to know that the avocado is a plant the 43.6% of American families purchase... |
| 01:40.43 | asuffield | like saying "Ah, I haven't been booted in a week and we've crossed the DST line, obviously I need to move the clock" |
| 01:40.59 | nvz | and furthermore why dpkg knows this |
| 01:41.14 | asuffield | I once saw a box with three installations of windows sit there and cheerfully shuffle itself three hours out |
| 01:41.20 | nvz | dpkg, factinfo avocado? |
| 01:41.20 | dpkg | nvz: there's no such factoid as avocado? |
| 01:41.22 | nvz | dpkg, factinfo avocado |
| 01:41.22 | arnaud | lol :) |
| 01:41.23 | dpkg | avocado -- created by cfaun <~cfaun@pool-151-204-203-43.pskn.east.verizon.net> 4m 23s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by cfaun, 4m 5s ago. |
| 01:41.26 | asuffield | useless crap |
| 01:41.31 | nvz | dpkg, forget avocado |
| 01:41.31 | dpkg | i forgot avocado, nvz |
| 01:41.52 | arnaud | asuffield, well, I'll boot my windows now to see what a mess it makes with my hw clock :) |
| 01:42.00 | expose | Hoe do i setup a user/pwd for courier?! It works if i dont use auth, so everyone can access... |
| 01:42.14 | expose | I have no idea, and the courier documentation doesnt do so either. |
| 01:42.25 | asuffield | (supposedly the behaviour is controllable, but it's completely undocumented) |
| 01:42.36 | expose | do smtp users have to be real unix users? |
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| 01:42.57 | asuffield | expose: no. but it will be simpler if they are |
| 01:43.08 | raf256 | hi, what should I configure to disable effects of running scripts like |
| 01:43.12 | raf256 | echo "a& && a&">a && chmod 700 a && .a |
| 01:43.12 | Area-51 | vsftpd is going at the same speed as proftpd... |
| 01:43.13 | arnaud | asuffield, sure, let's format and get rid of it |
| 01:43.24 | arnaud | asuffield, thank you, bye |
| 01:43.28 | raf256 | ..so to limit the max memory/CPU time/CPU %/priority of a process |
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| 01:43.54 | nvz | asuffield: this person is a bot abuser, and was probably planning to use the bot to be obnoxious in the channel, see listauth cfaun, before I delete them all |
| 01:43.54 | markybob | Area-51 i dont know what your problem is. checked your cpu usage, etc,while tranfering? |
| 01:44.30 | Area-51 | markybob: yes, its hardly uses a thing, roughly a load of 0.01 |
| 01:44.47 | expose | asuffield: well..i have quite a few which are - they're not working, why? any keyword to search for? |
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| 01:46.05 | FieldySnuts | nvz: which idiot |
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| 01:46.25 | nvz | FieldySnuts: cfaun, he made dpkg /msg me about avocados. |
| 01:46.34 | FieldySnuts | heh do I want to know? |
| 01:46.37 | Area-51 | markybob: i dont know what my problem is eithor, but if its not software daemons specifically, and not the physical network itself, and the interface is configured properly, i dont have the slightest idea where to turn next |
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| 01:46.56 | nvz | FieldySnuts: he's got a ton of factiods about avocados, and with random ascii crap that seems to be triggers to be used in a flood |
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| 01:47.16 | FieldySnuts | neat. why is this person still allowed to add stuff? |
| 01:47.36 | Seb | what's the simplest solution to record something from my microphone to a file (the format doesn't matter, .au or .wav is fine) ? |
| 01:47.52 | helix | Seb: rec foo.wav (or ogg or whatever) |
| 01:47.52 | nvz | I dont know, but someone else needs to help me get rid of it, cause dpkg is going to ignore me if I keep doing it.. heh |
| 01:48.10 | nvz | there are only like 2 more left |
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| 01:48.16 | karsten | nvz: Is there a way to revert a factoid to a prior value? |
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| 01:48.26 | FieldySnuts | i'd help but.. well you know. |
| 01:48.27 | nvz | someone /msg dpkg listauth cfaun |
| 01:48.29 | karsten | nvz: ...and have you told #freenode? |
| 01:48.35 | nvz | get rid of the others that are k##g |
| 01:48.47 | karsten | nvz: k28g, k29g |
| 01:48.51 | nvz | yeah |
| 01:48.52 | helix | avocadoes are yummay |
| 01:48.54 | FieldySnuts | #freenode shouldn't be bothered with such things, just tell the bots owners |
| 01:48.56 | karsten | nvz: Done. |
| 01:49.01 | karsten | !k29g |
| 01:49.03 | karsten | !k28g |
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| 01:49.22 | karsten | lilo: Hi. |
| 01:49.22 | Seb | helix: thanks ! |
| 01:49.27 | helix | np |
| 01:49.31 | nvz | at least his one factiod seemed ok, the wxwidgets one |
| 01:49.36 | karsten | nvz: Yeah. |
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| 01:49.44 | nvz | I deleted all the rest |
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| 01:49.55 | karsten | nvz: ...and I got the two you didn't/couldn't. |
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| 01:50.06 | stouset | Mornin'. |
| 01:50.14 | rob^ | hmm.. xfce4 rocks |
| 01:50.15 | Seb | helix: so, if I can hear myself speaking in the microphone, but rec foo.wav only produces a blank wav, got any idea what the pb might be? |
| 01:50.18 | helix | it's not morning where you are |
| 01:50.20 | nvz | well dpkg only gave me a warning, I think I could have done the other two, but I didnt want to risk it |
| 01:50.26 | karsten | rob^: It's pretty nice. Needs keybindings though. |
| 01:50.31 | Seb | helix: note the "?" without any leading space :> |
| 01:50.38 | helix | Seb: dunno, sound card problems; try rec --volume=20 foo.wav? |
| 01:50.40 | rob^ | karsten, yes, that would be nice |
| 01:50.41 | karsten | !rob^++ |
| 01:50.43 | helix | yay, go france |
| 01:50.50 | karsten | rob^: apt-cache show xkeybindings IIRC. |
| 01:51.10 | llama32 | is vesa x server a lot slower than a proper one? when i move a window around everything takes ages to redraw (im on a decent pc) - i dont remember it being this bad on my old 200mhz shitbox (it had proper x server) |
| 01:51.12 | Seb | helix: nah, same thing |
| 01:51.15 | karsten | helix: What's with france? |
| 01:51.19 | helix | Seb: yeah, sound card issue then |
| 01:51.22 | helix | karsten: I'm going there! |
| 01:51.23 | nvz | don't you mean xbindkeys? |
| 01:51.27 | Seb | helix: heh |
| 01:51.36 | karsten | llama32: Yes. vesa == unaccelerated, 800x600 max res IIRC. |
| 01:51.42 | karsten | nvz: Probably. |
| 01:51.42 | rob^ | nvz, yep, thats the one |
| 01:51.49 | helix | Seb: try umm.. aumix and see if the volume on the card is turned up all the way |
| 01:52.00 | Seb | helix: it is :\ |
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| 01:52.11 | helix | do you have the mic plugged into the right hole? |
| 01:52.13 | llama32 | its not 800x600 max... i think vesa can do pretty much any res (its at 1024x768 on mine) |
| 01:52.19 | Seb | helix: i don't quite understand how I can hear myself in the mic, yet cannot rec. anything from it... |
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| 01:52.43 | Seb | helix: well I dunno |
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| 01:52.49 | helix | well... |
| 01:52.55 | Seb | helix: the fact I could hear myself speaking seemed to hint that I do have it plugged right |
| 01:53.06 | Seb | helix: but you might be right, maybe I switched AUX aand MIC |
| 01:53.10 | maher | Seb: you should be able to just cat /dev/sounddevice > file |
| 01:53.55 | llama32 | i hate to put this in such a stupid sentence, but: on a decent computer (2400+ 256mb) with opaque window moving, am i meant to see very anoying amounts of flicker and 100% cpu usage when i move a winow? |
| 01:54.08 | helix | llama32: err, no |
| 01:54.10 | rob^ | whats a good editor to use with xfce4? |
| 01:54.11 | karsten | llama32: OK. Point being, using the proper driver from your card will get you better results. |
| 01:54.27 | Seb | helix: ya, I'd say it is in the right slot, since pushing the 'Mic" volume up in aumix yields a higher volume from my mic |
| 01:54.28 | helix | rob^: to edit what? |
| 01:54.29 | karsten | llama32: Not with a good graphics card. |
| 01:54.33 | karsten | rob^: vim ;-) |
| 01:54.36 | rob^ | helix, text |
| 01:54.40 | rob^ | heh vim |
| 01:54.42 | rob^ | love it |
| 01:54.45 | helix | the standard answers are vim and emacs |
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| 01:54.47 | llama32 | karsten: its an onboard card :( |
| 01:54.49 | nvz | thats not always true, I get better results with vesa than with savage |
| 01:55.00 | llama32 | lol |
| 01:55.07 | helix | savage cards suck |
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| 01:55.16 | helix | llama32: what video card is this? |
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| 01:55.21 | dna_ | !myip |
| 01:55.22 | karsten | llama32: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 01:55.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, myip is /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)/ {print qq|$1\n|}' |
| 01:55.23 | nvz | yep, mines a ProSavage, so it sucks professionally |
| 01:55.26 | karsten | llama32: Paste. |
| 01:55.27 | helix | Seb: dunno then |
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| 01:55.38 | Seb | helix: k, thanks for your time anyway ! |
| 01:55.46 | Seb | hrm, old habits :> |
| 01:55.49 | Seb | heh |
| 01:55.50 | helix | heh :) |
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| 01:57.15 | llama32 | helix: sis741 i think |
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| 01:58.00 | karsten | llama32: Paste the output from lspci | grep -i vga |
| 01:58.04 | nvz | so far nvidia cards are the only ones I like |
| 01:58.17 | nvz | only ones I can get working without problems |
| 01:58.18 | karsten | llama32: 'sis741 i think' isn't a known graphics card. |
| 01:58.30 | llama32 | karsten: im on xp right now (thats why i noticed - when i move a window in xp its all smooth)... i swear, eh... im only on xp cus i thought my mum was gonna need to use it |
| 01:58.38 | dna_ | how do you view all processes running? |
| 01:58.45 | nvz | dna_: ps aux |
| 01:58.46 | maher | dna_: ps auxw |
| 01:58.52 | karsten | llama32: That sounds like your problem, not mine. |
| 01:59.17 | karsten | llama32: Run Linux. Run screen. Run irssi w/in screen. Connect to this channel. We'll walk you through it. |
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| 01:59.28 | karsten | llama32: ...and hardware manager will show your card anyway. |
| 01:59.48 | karsten | llama32: ...or Belarc. Google 'belarc'. Go to the download page. D/l and run the reporter. |
| 02:00.19 | llama32 | s/cloody/bloody |
| 02:00.19 | helix | why can't you get grub to boot xp? |
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| 02:00.42 | llama32 | im sure i could... cant be bothered is a better term :) |
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| 02:01.11 | nvz | llama32: worst case, make yourself a boot floppy and put it in when you use linux, then remove it.. less work for you, and the rest of the family has no idea |
| 02:01.15 | paolo | Hi guys! Anyone could tell me what is the simplest manner to mount a directory of a linux pc to another linux pc belonging to the same local net? thank you! |
| 02:01.28 | hooded | is anyone around that could help me set up my dvd-rw? I am able to mount it, but don't know how to get playback working. |
| 02:01.34 | nvz | paolo: nfs |
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| 02:01.51 | paolo | nvz: what file should I edit? |
| 02:01.52 | llama32 | nvs: no floppy drive :( i could maybe make a boot cd or something but again - cant be bothered |
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| 02:02.30 | nvz | paolo: well first you have to have kernel support for nfs filesystem and if you use the kernel server you need to install the nfs-kernel-server package and load the modules, or for userspace, you install nfs-user-server |
| 02:02.36 | expose | what does a maildir usually look like? ~/.Maildir/<stuff> right? |
| 02:02.46 | nvz | paolo: then you edit /etc/exports |
| 02:03.03 | nvz | paolo: and probably have a look at /etc/hosts.[allow,deny] |
| 02:03.21 | karsten | expose: <Folder>/{new,tmp,cur} |
| 02:03.59 | expose | karsten: are new tmp and cur files or directories? |
| 02:04.00 | Seb | helix: i found it; it appears that with ALSA, you need to set a few channels to 'capture' so you can record... |
| 02:04.09 | helix | oh, alsa |
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| 02:04.14 | helix | yeah, I should've asked about that |
| 02:04.17 | karsten | expose: Directories. |
| 02:04.18 | expose | and - shouldnt courier-pop be able to generate those direcories itself!? |
| 02:04.18 | paolo | nvz: all you said is for the machine to be mounted or for the machine to mount in? |
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| 02:04.26 | Seb | helix: so although I could hear myself fine, i could have never recorded stuff without turning the capture flag on some of those channels |
| 02:04.28 | expose | (i get a message that maildir doesnt exist) |
| 02:04.33 | helix | Seb: aha |
| 02:04.35 | nvz | I want to have a joust with nvs and looser, gets a new nick.. heh |
| 02:04.36 | karsten | expose: Files are contained withing same. tmp should be empty pretty much always. 'new' are unread, 'cur' are read messages. |
| 02:04.44 | hooded | does anyone know how to playback *.vob files? |
| 02:04.49 | Seb | helix: cheers :) |
| 02:04.58 | markybob | hooded mplayer? xine? totem? pick one |
| 02:05.04 | Seb | markybob: xine |
| 02:05.12 | Seb | :> |
| 02:05.17 | markybob | seb dont tell me. i know how. |
| 02:05.27 | expose | karsten: thanks |
| 02:05.34 | Seb | markybob: hey, I just picked one, according to your directions, heh |
| 02:05.49 | nvz | paolo: the client needs the nfs filesystem driver loaded, and the server needs either the nfs-kernel-server and the proper server modules loaded, or the nfs-user-server, and the /etc/exports && /etc/hosts.[allow,deny] files edited |
| 02:05.54 | markybob | seb ah...your name was hooded, eh? |
| 02:06.14 | nvz | paolo: on the client you may also want to edit /etc/fstab if this is going to be more than temporary |
| 02:06.18 | Seb | markybob: nah, but I wonder for a second what an 'hooded mplayer' was |
| 02:06.35 | hooded | video_ts.bup vts_01_4.vob vts_03_0.ifo vts_05_0.vob vts_07_1.vob |
| 02:06.35 | hooded | video_ts.ifo vts_01_5.vob vts_03_0.vob vts_05_1.vob vts_08_0.bup |
| 02:06.35 | hooded | video_ts.vob vts_01_6.vob vts_03_1.vob vts_06_0.bup vts_08_0.ifo |
| 02:06.36 | hooded | vts_01_0.bup vts_01_7.vob vts_04_0.bup vts_06_0.ifo vts_08_0.vob |
| 02:06.36 | hooded | vts_01_0.ifo vts_02_0.bup vts_04_0.ifo vts_06_0.vob vts_08_1.vob |
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| 02:06.40 | markybob | wtf |
| 02:06.40 | Seb | wow |
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| 02:06.47 | karsten | !tell hooded about #flood |
| 02:06.48 | nvz | heh, a dvd |
| 02:06.51 | karsten | !tell hooded about paster |
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| 02:07.06 | nvz | tell hooded about dvds .. heh |
| 02:07.35 | hooded | out of all those files the only one that will play back with xine is video_ts.vob |
| 02:07.46 | nvz | you arent suppose to play the files |
| 02:07.49 | markybob | hooded you've officially pissed us off. why'd you do that? |
| 02:07.50 | nvz | you play the disk |
| 02:07.51 | expose | karsten: thunderbird just says "Maildir: not a directory", which is the error message of the server - i have no idea where the problem is. it's set to .Maildir, which exists in /home/$user with the subdirs you just told me |
| 02:08.00 | expose | *cursing* |
| 02:08.13 | nvz | hooded: f.e. the one time in my who life I done this I did mplayer dvd:// |
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| 02:08.20 | nvz | hooded: you play the dvd, not the files on it |
| 02:08.21 | karsten | expose: Um. .Maildir and Maildir are different. Sure it's pointing at the right place? |
| 02:08.35 | Seb | hooded: in a nutshell, you don't *mount* video DVDs |
| 02:08.40 | nvz | afaicr you don't even mount the dvd |
| 02:08.42 | markybob | hooded dont be an idiot. "xine dvd:/" |
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| 02:09.36 | rob^ | oh, to those wondering about NVU 0.9, the tarball at http://cvs.nvu.com/download/nvu-0.90-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2 should work according to the people at Linspire |
| 02:09.45 | nvz | haha |
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| 02:09.53 | nvz | rob^: that would be only you. :P |
| 02:09.53 | Kupal[] | if a powersupply is 300watts how much power does it consume in an hour? |
| 02:09.57 | Guerin | um |
| 02:09.58 | enigmus | my $LANG is en_US.UTF-8 but many progs tell me they don't know this locale. I did dpkg-reconfigure locales to set this. What could be wrong? |
| 02:10.01 | Guerin | maybe a silly question |
| 02:10.08 | expose | karsten: nope. what do you reffer to? |
| 02:10.11 | nvz | Kupal[]: thats irrelevant |
| 02:10.12 | grepper | hi, all - if I did update-rc.d -f networking remove , how would reset it to the default that netbase install uses ? |
| 02:10.20 | rob^ | nvz, a couple of people asked about it is all.. |
| 02:10.25 | Guerin | but why does a html editor have a version of the linux kernels in its filename |
| 02:10.31 | karsten | expose: Sorry? Parse error. |
| 02:10.46 | karsten | rob^: You find a preferred editor? I'm googling. |
| 02:10.54 | nvz | Kupal[]: the power supply doesnt consume power, the devices hooked to it do, 300W is how much it _can_ put out, not how much it does |
| 02:10.57 | rob^ | vim-gnome? |
| 02:11.04 | expose | karsten: i just noticed i have boths. /home/$user/Maildir where the incoming stuff seems to be stored, and the .Maildir i made myself... |
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| 02:11.09 | nvz | Kupal[]: its the _power_ _SUPPLY_ |
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| 02:11.23 | nvz | Kupal[]: thus supplies the switched power, not cosumes it |
| 02:11.24 | expose | karsten: the pop3d i use only supports maildir format |
| 02:11.26 | rob^ | karsten, or gvim? |
| 02:11.42 | expose | karsten: i tought maildir was a "dir"ectory... |
| 02:11.51 | karsten | rob^: Depends. Is this for you (presumably experienced) or a n00b user? |
| 02:12.02 | rob^ | for me |
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| 02:12.09 | karsten | expose: AFAIU Thunderbird will create its own folders as needed. |
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| 02:12.17 | rob^ | gvim seems nice |
| 02:12.26 | JonasNZ | hey, is there an x86_64 version of debian? |
| 02:12.34 | karsten | rob^: Prolly. Can you have both gvim and vim installed or does one break the other? |
| 02:12.43 | nvz | Kupal[]: power formula is Power=Current*Voltage, if that will help you calculate.. heh most devices like cdroms and hds, will say the Current and Voltage on the label.. other things like cpu, ram, video card..etc may not |
| 02:12.45 | rob^ | norox, you can have both installed |
| 02:12.47 | enigmus | karsten: you can. |
| 02:12.47 | expose | karsten: i'm just talking about the server...thunderbird works. |
| 02:12.50 | rob^ | grr |
| 02:12.57 | karsten | expose: Ah. |
| 02:12.59 | rob^ | karsten, yes its all good |
| 02:13.04 | karsten | rob^: OK. |
| 02:13.53 | karsten | rob^: http://www.oliwen.com/bamanzi/cygwin/xfce4/ |
| 02:14.00 | karsten | rob^: Cygwin prort for XFCE4 |
| 02:14.09 | expose | karsten: "this POP3 server supports maildirs only. It does not support mbox file mailboxes." <-- whereas the smtpd stores a ~/Mailbox _file_ |
| 02:14.18 | expose | karsten: so they dont work together or what? |
| 02:14.25 | rob^ | cygwin? why would I need that? |
| 02:14.35 | expose | i mean...maildir is a directory, or isnt it? |
| 02:14.36 | simonrvn | you can have gvim and vim installed at the same time. the former makes a diversion of the latter to vim.org |
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| 02:15.03 | simonrvn | expose: it's 1 dir, with 3 sub-dirs |
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| 02:15.13 | fbred | how do I change the language dpkg uses? |
| 02:15.14 | karsten | expose: OK. So you're creating these Maildirs where? Is this a multi-user popd server or just single-instance? |
| 02:15.18 | simonrvn | one maildir, that is |
| 02:15.31 | karsten | expose: ...and are the folders /home/$USER/ or some /var/spool/foo/user ? |
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| 02:15.48 | nvz | Kupal[]: the more current pulled through the ps, the more Power(Watts) it cosumes. all 300Watts tells you is that at ~120V it can pull ~2.5amps without blowing a fuse :P |
| 02:16.02 | expose | karsten: it's courier-pop |
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| 02:16.13 | simonrvn | @wb FieldySnuts |
| 02:16.16 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 02:16.16 | ravenbird | Welcome back FieldySnuts, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 02:16.24 | simonrvn | @status |
| 02:16.25 | ravenbird | Since Sat Mar 26 08:00:09 2005, there have been 2 modifications, 23 questions, 2 dunnos, 0 morons and 18 commands. I have been awake for 1d 18h 16m 18s this session, and currently reference 20682 factoids. I'm using about 21500 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 457.45/24.92 child 0.04/0.22 |
| 02:16.27 | expose | karsten: and it is targeted at a whole bunch of "info" and "webmaster" users for different virtual domains |
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| 02:16.31 | karsten | JonasNZ: Both Intel and AMD 64 ports are available. |
| 02:16.39 | simonrvn | heh, it managed to reconnect :) |
| 02:16.48 | karsten | rob^: Not that you'd need it, just ran across it. |
| 02:16.49 | JonasNZ | karsten, where from, because i cant find them on debian.org |
| 02:16.56 | Chules | I found the ia64, but found nothing about amd64. |
| 02:16.57 | karsten | expose: A maildir is a directlry. |
| 02:17.03 | rob^ | karsten, oh.. cool |
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| 02:17.24 | karsten | JonasNZ: Woody or Sarge? |
| 02:17.31 | Chules | either one |
| 02:17.35 | simonrvn | yeh, it'd be dilectoly |
| 02:17.38 | expose | karsten: are you using courier? |
| 02:17.39 | Chules | JonasNZ and I are together |
| 02:17.50 | JonasNZ | karsten, me and chules are working on the same project |
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| 02:17.58 | p88 | hi all |
| 02:18.15 | karsten | JonasNZ: Chules: I'd recommend sarge. |
| 02:18.20 | rob^ | whats the program you used with xbindkeys to get the key codes? |
| 02:18.30 | SiliconViper | Herm... strange error. |
| 02:18.32 | p88 | famd is using 100% of my cpu and has been for the last 20 minutes. Is this normal? |
| 02:18.35 | simonrvn | xev |
| 02:18.35 | Chules | OK, but where can I get the amd64 CD isos? |
| 02:18.35 | JonasNZ | karsten, in that case Sarge its probably is |
| 02:18.43 | SiliconViper | Whenever I attempt to lanch something with a window to it... |
| 02:18.44 | SiliconViper | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 02:18.44 | SiliconViper | Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached |
| 02:18.51 | JonasNZ | karsten, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/ia64/ ?? |
| 02:19.01 | simonrvn | p88: no. killall -2 famd |
| 02:19.02 | SiliconViper | What did I break now? |
| 02:19.07 | karsten | JonasNZ: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:19.09 | JonasNZ | karsten, thats as close as i can find |
| 02:19.10 | Chules | ia64 is intel |
| 02:19.29 | SiliconViper | ... |
| 02:19.36 | nvz | !yinzersmite karsten |
| 02:19.51 | p88 | simonrvn: -2? |
| 02:19.51 | JonasNZ | karsten, [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] is all that is listed |
| 02:19.51 | karsten | JonasNZ: ia64 on that page. |
| 02:20.01 | simonrvn | p88: man kill |
| 02:20.03 | mwilson | Chules: There are ISO's? |
| 02:20.06 | p88 | it is INT |
| 02:20.07 | nvz | rob^: xbindkeys-config |
| 02:20.15 | Chules | I hope there are ISOs |
| 02:20.21 | JonasNZ | yeah there are |
| 02:20.21 | maher | !amd64 |
| 02:20.22 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 02:20.24 | p88 | simonrvn: Wouldn't SIGHUP be the one? |
| 02:20.36 | simonrvn | no |
| 02:20.39 | p88 | okay |
| 02:20.40 | karsten | SiliconViper: Wind? |
| 02:20.41 | mwilson | Yeah, I thought all there were was unofficial ones. |
| 02:20.52 | SiliconViper | karsten, pardon? |
| 02:20.59 | expose | Hell! why cant it just be somewhat intuitive to setup courier!? or why cant they just at least mention user-management in there documentation? what is a documentation for then? to have tons of text about ./configure && make && make install? as if this ever was a problem... |
| 02:21.06 | Chules | [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] <-- I see no amd64 ... |
| 02:21.15 | nvz | rob^: thats what I use. its easy. its a gtk configuration tool for xbindkeys, you just hit the "get key" button then hit the button on the keyboard, name the key, and add a command, then hit save, apply, exit button |
| 02:21.25 | karsten | JonasNZ: There's an unofficial AMD64 installer on this page: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 02:21.30 | p88 | simonrvn: Okay it has gone. btw, it was owned by my regular user, not by root. |
| 02:21.32 | karsten | SiliconViper: What did you break. |
| 02:21.34 | rob^ | nvu, about to check it out, thanks! |
| 02:21.46 | mwilson | Chules: AMD64 is not part of Debian. There are no official installation images, or official any other images. |
| 02:21.50 | rob^ | nvz, about to check it out, thanks! |
| 02:21.54 | rob^ | sorry... |
| 02:21.57 | SiliconViper | karsten, whenever I attempt to open a new window... Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server /Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached |
| 02:22.00 | nvz | rob^: you got nvu on the brain |
| 02:22.05 | karsten | JonasNZ: http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ |
| 02:22.06 | mwilson | Chules: You were given where to get unofficial ones. |
| 02:22.11 | rob^ | yeah |
| 02:22.12 | Chules | mok |
| 02:22.14 | karsten | SiliconViper: You've got too many open windows/apps. |
| 02:22.32 | karsten | SiliconViper: xlsclients. How many are listed? |
| 02:22.35 | enigmus | my $LANG is en_US.UTF-8 but many progs tell me they don't know this locale. I did dpkg-reconfigure locales to set this. What could be wrong? |
| 02:22.38 | SiliconViper | karsten, bloody shenannigans I do. I've got X-Chat, Gaim, and a terminal. |
| 02:22.43 | karsten | SiliconViper: IIRC there's an upper bound of ~64 or so clients. |
| 02:22.44 | Chules | Thanks! |
| 02:22.55 | SiliconViper | karsten, since when??! |
| 02:22.57 | JonasNZ | cheers karsten |
| 02:22.59 | karsten | SiliconViper: You may have ghost sessions open that X thinks it knows about. What version of X? |
| 02:23.03 | nvz | yeah, really, theres a limit? |
| 02:23.05 | mwilson | SiliconViper: Since a very long time. |
| 02:23.10 | karsten | SiliconViper: Since a while. I think it's upped in newer X releases. |
| 02:23.20 | karsten | SiliconViper: ...and a client need not be a visible window. |
| 02:23.22 | paolo | nvz: all ok, thank you for your help. But... I mounted the root directory ro on the client, but the client doesn't see anything in the /home dir. On the server I see that /home's permissions are "drwxrwsr-x 17 root root 4096 2005-03-17 14:04 home". Is there anything rare? what is the "s" in group permissions? |
| 02:23.28 | mwilson | nvz: Yeah, people whine about it occasionally on debian-x and Overfiend tells them what to do with themselves. |
| 02:23.56 | SiliconViper | karsten...I know that, but it's just odd, because it's never done this before. |
| 02:23.56 | mwilson | nvz: You're more likely to trip over it running Gnome or KDE, of course. |
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| 02:24.17 | nvz | paolo: I havent used nfs in awhile. I am not sure could be some param in the export |
| 02:24.42 | SiliconViper | karsten, ... I can't xlsclients... same error. |
| 02:24.57 | nvz | mwilson: thats baffling to me.. I can only run like 64 or so apps in X? |
| 02:25.03 | karsten | SiliconViper: Heh. |
| 02:25.03 | mwilson | karsten: xlsclients has to connect to the server. |
| 02:25.16 | SiliconViper | karsten, >_< |
| 02:25.17 | karsten | SiliconViper: Pick an app to kill, then run xlsclients. |
| 02:25.24 | SiliconViper | -_- |
| 02:25.34 | mwilson | nvz: I'd have to look and see what the actual limit is. It's not running processes, it's connections to the server. |
| 02:25.36 | karsten | SiliconViper: I'd leave my X term open. |
| 02:25.52 | karsten | SiliconViper: Per one of my old posts, 127 is the limit. I suspect a buggy client. |
| 02:25.57 | SiliconViper | karsten, it shows 13 apps |
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| 02:26.23 | lepow | good night everyone! where i can find some cool sounds to put together in WSoundServer |
| 02:26.25 | lepow | ? |
| 02:26.34 | mwilson | rei $ xlsclients | grep rei | wc -l |
| 02:26.34 | mwilson | 13 |
| 02:26.42 | mwilson | And I have all sorts of crap running. |
| 02:26.59 | karsten | lepow: IIRC Lessig's Open Content project has some scratch samples. |
| 02:27.48 | karsten | SiliconViper: Couild also be a lack of open file handles or user process limit. |
| 02:27.55 | karsten | SiliconViper: ...maybe. That's cat /dev/ass. |
| 02:28.28 | karsten | SiliconViper: http://sunportal.sunmanagers.org/pipermail/summaries/2002-July/002107.html |
| 02:28.36 | vonschutter | does anyone know how to make it so that super karamba starts up on login and loads the themes that I had oppen last time |
| 02:28.50 | poonj | hey guys |
| 02:29.01 | poonj | anyone here use the reversed engineered nforce2 network module? |
| 02:29.02 | karsten | vonschutter: .xsession / .Xsession |
| 02:29.05 | vonschutter | it is not really practical to diddle with this every time I log in |
| 02:29.06 | poonj | does that thing work well? |
| 02:29.06 | lepow | karsten: sorry, i can't find anything about it |
| 02:29.12 | expose | # Default deliveries to $HOME/Maildir |
| 02:29.13 | expose | # DEFAULTDELIVERY=./Maildir |
| 02:29.18 | karsten | lepow: Google harder. |
| 02:29.28 | vonschutter | karsten: what do you mean? |
| 02:29.39 | petemc | poonj: forcedeth? works fine |
| 02:29.39 | lepow | i'm at google |
| 02:29.39 | expose | Is anyone able to tell me why this does _not_ end up with mails being stored in $/Maildir?! |
| 02:30.02 | karsten | vonschutter: man startx |
| 02:30.06 | vonschutter | kde usually will restore a session but the app never remembers the themes |
| 02:30.09 | terry97 | U |
| 02:30.20 | poonj | petemc: the last time I tried it, it didn't seem to work well when I used that in conjunction with my 3com 905c |
| 02:30.26 | bjenkins | karsten has just produced the slogan for the new millenium... "google harder" |
| 02:30.34 | bjenkins | it likes that |
| 02:30.40 | bjenkins | erp |
| 02:30.41 | expose | this is nothing more then the default configuration of courier, and the fitting line uncommented. |
| 02:30.44 | expose | that's it. |
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| 02:30.49 | nvz | mwilson: hmm.. mine only shows two. rep and aterm, and I got links2 running *shrug* |
| 02:31.03 | karsten | bjenkins: ;-) |
| 02:31.22 | petemc | poonj: ive used it on a nforce motherboard, with no other nics, works ok |
| 02:31.41 | karsten | lepow: http://www.opsound.org/opsound.html |
| 02:32.00 | lepow | thankz.. a lot better |
| 02:32.07 | bjenkins | karsten, i fixed the monitor displacement prob by entering the correct horiz and vert sync ranges in xf86config |
| 02:32.12 | poonj | petemc: oka |
| 02:32.21 | karsten | bjenkins: OK. |
| 02:32.28 | bjenkins | now if i could only get my sound back |
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| 02:32.44 | bjenkins | maybe alsa will do the trick..... |
| 02:32.44 | mwilson | You're using courier as the MTA/MDA? Or just as the IMAPd? |
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| 02:33.03 | nvz | I had to lie about my monitor's hsync and vrefresh to even get X to start.. heh using the factory specs I couldnt run X at all.. with the ones I put in, I can at least get 640x480 |
| 02:33.59 | mwilson | nvz: Yeah, I'm not at all sure why that doesn't show up. |
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| 02:34.35 | nvz | mwilson: me either, I'm not sure what rep is either.. but I know its got something to do with sawfish. |
| 02:34.46 | nonent | i've got 2 ports open (2049 and 32768) according to netstat, but i can't figure out what's using them. they don't show up in 'lsof', any other way to find out? |
| 02:35.09 | karsten | nonent: Open or close/wait? |
| 02:35.20 | mwilson | Isn't rep the lisp interpreter? |
| 02:35.25 | RjY | they're usually nfs ports |
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| 02:35.40 | nonent | karsten: appear to be open. state is listed as LISTEN for both, and i can telnet to either one of them. |
| 02:35.41 | karsten | nonent: There's a netstat argument to show program as well. |
| 02:35.44 | r3m | in /etc/hosts i just need the loopback ip or i need the local ip too? im on a lan |
| 02:35.50 | mwilson | Description: lisp command interpreter frontends to librep |
| 02:36.00 | DuckTales | nonent, 22 and 80 are open also. |
| 02:36.03 | nonent | karsten: i did it with -p, but that doesn't seem to work for some reason. |
| 02:36.17 | nvz | ah, I didnt know thats what it was |
| 02:36.27 | mwilson | expose: What are you using for the MTA/MDA? |
| 02:36.29 | nonent | DuckTales: oh, i know.. i'm just looking at the ports i don't recognize that are open, but i'm not talking about the system i'm irc'ing from anyways |
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| 02:36.36 | nvz | its strange links2 -g doesnt show a connection to the xserver |
| 02:36.40 | r3m | in /etc/hosts i just need the loopback ip or i need the local ip too? im on a lan |
| 02:36.43 | karsten | nonent: as root? |
| 02:36.52 | nonent | netstat -a -p |
| 02:36.58 | nonent | Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name |
| 02:36.59 | nonent | tcp 0 0 *:32768 *:* LISTEN - |
| 02:36.59 | nonent | tcp 0 0 *:2049 *:* LISTEN - |
| 02:37.03 | nonent | (sorry for the paste. |
| 02:37.13 | nonent | but it lists '-' as the PID/program name on both ports |
| 02:37.14 | r3m | you better to be sorry |
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| 02:38.32 | rob^ | hey karsten, is there much diffrence between xfce4.0 and xfce4.2? |
| 02:38.39 | nvz | (I), (should), (learn), (to), (speak), (lisp); |
| 02:38.52 | DuckTales | nonent, 8080 is open also |
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| 02:39.25 | nonent | DuckTales: thanks for the nmap, and my current ip is not the system i'm talking about |
| 02:39.40 | MobyTurbo | nvz: that has too much syntax to be lisp |
| 02:39.40 | r3m | shut up |
| 02:39.46 | DuckTales | I'll paste you results in a coupel minutes. |
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| 02:40.25 | nvz | MobyTurbo: heh, all I know is it uses alot of parenthesis.. I've used sawfish for years, but never been further into any code, than the menu files, and they look something like that |
| 02:40.29 | nonent | DuckTales: really don't need it, but thanks. |
| 02:40.32 | nvz | s/alot/a lot/ |
| 02:40.43 | Azra`el | alot. |
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| 02:41.22 | llama32 | how do i make kde use a different window manager? |
| 02:41.35 | mwilson | llama32: Why would you need to? |
| 02:41.46 | llama32 | cus i like xfce's window manager |
| 02:41.56 | Iceshadow | I would like to make a local POP3 server on my debian box that pulls all of the email for both my wife and I from the ISP, run it through SpamAssassin, and be able to use our mail clients from that server... any good places to start? |
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| 02:42.33 | mwilson | Iceshadow: POP servers do not pull mail from anywhere. |
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| 02:43.06 | Iceshadow | so i cannot create a POP3 mail server locally that just fetches mail from the ISP? |
| 02:43.21 | simonrvn | pop3 isn't a "fetching" kind of proto |
| 02:43.22 | azreal | Iceshadow: its a pop client. |
| 02:43.54 | Iceshadow | it doesn't matter exactly how it works... i just want to filter all the mail from the ISP locally. |
| 02:43.55 | azreal | Iceshadow: consider an imap client instead, pop is kinda outdated, it still works though. |
| 02:43.56 | mwilson | You can't create a POP server that fetches mail from anywhere. POP servers don't fetch mail, mail is delivered to them. |
| 02:44.19 | Delph | mwilson: i think the idea is to create a POP3 server, with something that pulls mail into that POP3 server from elsewhere |
| 02:44.28 | Iceshadow | that was my intention |
| 02:44.30 | simonrvn | then you should it again. |
| 02:44.37 | simonrvn | read it* |
| 02:44.42 | Iceshadow | sure. thanks. |
| 02:44.49 | nvz | whe you say pop client, I think of 10,000 little girls screaming at 4 older guys at a pop concert |
| 02:44.56 | simonrvn | Delph: yes. that would work |
| 02:45.03 | Delph | 'every time you poll a pop server, god kills a kitten' |
| 02:45.04 | simonrvn | nvz: hehe |
| 02:45.14 | mwilson | Delph: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 02:45.19 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:45.19 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 02:45.22 | karsten | SiliconViper: You ever work that out? What's lsof show you? Tons of open files? |
| 02:45.34 | karsten | SiliconViper: Could be X, open files, open sockets, or ulimits. |
| 02:45.56 | simonrvn | Iceshadow: i'd recommend IMAP. more flexible |
| 02:46.01 | nvz | oh well, I am going back out.. who knows how long it'll last this time.. shitty weather, nobody's around.. |
| 02:46.02 | SiliconViper | Checked ulimits, 1024... |
| 02:46.11 | SiliconViper | lsof *does* show a crapton of stuff. |
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| 02:46.30 | SiliconViper | 2647 lines, actually. |
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| 02:47.47 | llama32 | so anyone know how to make kde use another wm? |
| 02:48.26 | simonrvn | #debian-kde |
| 02:48.37 | abrotman | can it? |
| 02:48.37 | DuckTales | kde use another window manager? |
| 02:48.40 | DuckTales | kde is a window manager |
| 02:48.45 | abrotman | no its not |
| 02:48.49 | abrotman | kwin is a window manager |
| 02:49.05 | DuckTales | kde is a desktop enviroment? |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | kde is krap :) |
| 02:49.17 | mwilson | abrotman: It can, but even with another window manager, KDE is still... KDE. |
| 02:49.18 | DuckTales | I agree |
| 02:49.20 | simonrvn | yes. that's what the 'de' stands for |
| 02:49.21 | DuckTales | fluxbox > * |
| 02:49.27 | abrotman | blackbox! |
| 02:49.29 | mwilson | DuckTales: Unlikely. |
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| 02:49.37 | DuckTales | abrotman, No tabs?!?? |
| 02:49.42 | DuckTales | ugh |
| 02:49.44 | abrotman | you kids and your tabs .. jeez |
| 02:49.49 | llama32 | according to xfwm (xfce's wm), it can be used instead of kwin... and whats so bad about kde? |
| 02:49.51 | abrotman | if you're going minimal .. go minimal :) |
| 02:50.23 | DuckTales | llama32, IT's big and slow and bloated. |
| 02:50.26 | DuckTales | kdelibs are huge |
| 02:50.27 | holo | llama32: aha! original nickname |
| 02:50.29 | rob^ | I just found a debian mirror for xfve 4.2 |
| 02:50.37 | llama32 | holo: ?? |
| 02:50.38 | rob^ | xfce 4.2 |
| 02:50.44 | mwilson | llama32: It's KDE. What else do you have to say? Emphasis on eye candy over usability at every opportunity. |
| 02:50.45 | rob^ | doh! |
| 02:50.46 | holo | :x |
| 02:51.01 | mwilson | rob^: Was it lost? |
| 02:51.05 | Azra`el | hey now. |
| 02:51.10 | Azra`el | kde's not as bad as it could be. |
| 02:51.19 | Azra`el | tweaked, and cut, it's fair |
| 02:51.20 | rob^ | mwilson, to me it was |
| 02:51.32 | mwilson | Azra`el: Sometimes there's the distinct impression that usability isn't even on the radar. |
| 02:51.36 | llama32 | kde rules... well id prolly rather xfce + konqueror if i could get that happening, but still [on a decent computer] kde is great |
| 02:51.37 | Azra`el | nod |
| 02:51.39 | Azra`el | i agree |
| 02:51.40 | Azra`el | like arts |
| 02:51.43 | Azra`el | WHAT THE HELL. |
| 02:51.55 | mwilson | Azra`el: Certainly their default look was designed by a blind 5-year-old on LSD. |
| 02:51.58 | Azra`el | but kill artsd, chmod 000 it, and it helps |
| 02:52.00 | Phated | You -can- install Konq on xfce4. |
| 02:52.12 | llama32 | rofl @ mwilson |
| 02:52.27 | port80 | Kde is cool |
| 02:52.39 | port80 | it is better than win3.11 |
| 02:52.40 | mwilson | Actually, that's probably demeaning to the 5-year-old. |
| 02:52.53 | Azra`el | and to lsd. |
| 02:52.56 | Azra`el | YOU BASTARD |
| 02:53.00 | Azra`el | =p |
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| 02:53.07 | llama32 | imho the only good bit about kde is konq... i like konq :) |
| 02:53.10 | abrotman | no . i can see how kde would be fun on acid ... |
| 02:53.11 | mwilson | port80: That's debatable. |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | click random places .. shiny things pop up .. |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | why not |
| 02:53.30 | port80 | mwilson, what do you use? |
| 02:53.31 | Phated | Sooner or later one of them hits your eye. |
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| 02:53.39 | rob^ | haha |
| 02:53.41 | mwilson | port80: For what? |
| 02:54.05 | abrotman | mwilson: dating services duh |
| 02:54.12 | port80 | mwilson, WM |
| 02:54.21 | rob^ | the default look of the latest Kde is ugly to say the least.. I had the displeasure of logging into KDE to change it the other day. |
| 02:54.29 | abrotman | llama32: why? |
| 02:54.41 | mwilson | port80: On which machine? |
| 02:54.50 | rob^ | so my kde-based apps dont look like crap |
| 02:54.56 | Phated | Because we're already laughing at him using KDE just for konqueror, of course. |
| 02:54.57 | port80 | mwilson, your 'main' desktop machine |
| 02:55.04 | llama32 | abrotman: i used gnome until a few days ago... i installed kde and realised gnome sucks |
| 02:55.08 | Azra`el | mwilson, quit dodging and tell the man you use kde. |
| 02:55.10 | mwilson | port80: Which one? |
| 02:55.12 | abrotman | llama32: ah .. you're a noob :) |
| 02:55.23 | port80 | heh |
| 02:55.32 | llama32 | abrotman: where'd u get that impression? |
| 02:55.34 | abrotman | i think a better question for mwilson would be to find out which GUI toolkit he prefers |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | llama32: because you talk with words like "u" |
| 02:55.46 | mwilson | abrotman: For what? |
| 02:55.46 | port80 | I used to use wmaker, but then kde 3 because so light weight |
| 02:55.46 | Phated | What's there to ask? He hates everything. :) |
| 02:55.47 | abrotman | enough said |
| 02:55.48 | Azra`el | abrotman: ncurses, of course |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | mwilson: gui programming :) |
| 02:56.08 | mwilson | abrotman: I'm not a GUI programmer, never claimed to be one. |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | Phated: i think he loves to hate? :) |
| 02:56.18 | Azra`el | someone stab him |
| 02:56.20 | Azra`el | oh |
| 02:56.26 | Phated | No idea. Ask him. He'd hate to answer you though. |
| 02:56.26 | Azra`el | there, i'll do it myself |
| 02:56.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:56.31 | mwilson | abrotman: I write a lot of awk, but I don't think that's a GUI. |
| 02:56.36 | abrotman | nah |
| 02:56.38 | abrotman | doesn't count |
| 02:56.48 | abrotman | i guess .. if you were to pick one to write a gui app |
| 02:56.50 | caphuso | awk? no wonder he's so bitter ;-) |
| 02:56.58 | mwilson | I like awk. |
| 02:57.09 | Phated | It even sounds painful. |
| 02:57.09 | Azra`el | i bet he uses emacs as a gui.. |
| 02:57.26 | abrotman | Phated: that's an awl :) |
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| 02:57.33 | mwilson | We have a whole toolkit written for point-of-sale reporting in awk. |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | emacs isn't just a gui |
| 02:57.38 | Hentai | Hello |
| 02:57.51 | Azra`el | i know |
| 02:58.02 | Phated | abrotman: "AWK!" sounds like... I dunno, running into a rope at throat height. |
| 02:58.03 | Azra`el | emacs is an image editor, file manager, irc client, video player, |
| 02:58.04 | Hentai | anyone know about debain and PPC? |
| 02:58.06 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 02:58.06 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:58.13 | Phated | Emacs is a frickin OS. |
| 02:58.15 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 02:58.15 | dpkg | methinks ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 02:58.26 | caphuso | !vi 101 |
| 02:58.27 | dpkg | today the "z^" command: If line was specified, display a screen where the last line of the display shall contain an unspecified portion of the first line of a display that had an unspecified portion of the specified line on the last line of the display. |
| 02:58.39 | Hentai | is dpkg a bot? |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:58.44 | Phated | Oooh, emacs-vi factoid battles. |
| 02:58.45 | Azra`el | no |
| 02:58.53 | caphuso | Hentai: no, it's a poor kid we fed a lot of cocaine |
| 02:58.54 | Hentai | I don't freaking worship it |
| 02:58.56 | abrotman | Hentai: either that or a quick typist :) |
| 02:58.57 | Azra`el | !hump Hentai |
| 02:58.59 | Hentai | man I worship x86 |
| 02:59.09 | Azra`el | i worship sgi. |
| 02:59.11 | llama32 | ROFL |
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| 02:59.14 | Hentai | I want a O2 |
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| 02:59.16 | darien2 | hi all |
| 02:59.16 | Phated | Heathens. |
| 02:59.16 | abrotman | Azra`el: that would be mips |
| 02:59.18 | Hentai | give me a O2 |
| 02:59.31 | Hentai | also a Alpha to |
| 02:59.33 | darien2 | how can I make a kernel that I've custom-built into a debian kernel image? |
| 02:59.39 | Hentai | and itanium |
| 02:59.40 | caphuso | darien2: /msg dpkg kp |
| 02:59.46 | darien2 | thanks |
| 02:59.47 | Azra`el | abrotman, rgr. but if you say "mips" to most people, they're like "HUH" |
| 02:59.57 | Azra`el | sgi at least is a bit more recognizable. |
| 03:00.02 | abrotman | Azra`el: well .. then they don't know ... and don't care |
| 03:00.05 | Hentai | thanks for the help guys |
| 03:00.08 | abrotman | Azra`el: and don't matter :) |
| 03:00.14 | Azra`el | everyone matters |
| 03:00.17 | Azra`el | even you =) |
| 03:00.24 | Hentai | lol |
| 03:00.28 | abrotman | Azra`el: doubtful |
| 03:00.42 | poonj | hey guys |
| 03:00.45 | travisat | abrotman: your right you don't matter |
| 03:01.02 | Hentai | anyways I also need a MIPS fpr windows NT |
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| 03:01.10 | poonj | I'm using gcc-3.3.5 to compile a 2.6.11 kernel, and I'm getting seg faults when it reaches pci.o |
| 03:01.11 | Guerin | emacs would be an os - but it lacks a kernel |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | travisat: neither do you .. |
| 03:01.23 | mwilson | Guerin: Lacks a text editor, too. |
| 03:01.24 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 03:01.25 | poonj | is there something wrong with the compiler? or the kernel source? |
| 03:01.29 | abrotman | i don't care if travisat matters |
| 03:01.33 | Guerin | mwilson: naw, it's got a bunch of those |
| 03:01.36 | caphuso | mwilson: it got plenty of those |
| 03:01.40 | abrotman | travisat: and my god .. aren't you from the states? |
| 03:01.41 | Azra`el | poonj, repeated segfaults? |
| 03:01.49 | Azra`el | the same one every time? |
| 03:01.51 | travisat | abrotman: yessir |
| 03:01.52 | caphuso | emacs comes with at least three different vi clones |
| 03:01.59 | llama32 | llama llama cheesecake llama |
| 03:02.03 | abrotman | travisat: and you're how fucking old and you can't deal with homonyms? |
| 03:02.15 | poonj | Azra`el: it stopped one time before on another module |
| 03:02.16 | travisat | and I even got a 4 on AP Engrish in high school |
| 03:02.21 | abrotman | !dcc guerin a pizza |
| 03:02.23 | lizsac | take that *KPOW* feeble emacs user |
| 03:02.25 | Azra`el | poonj: check your cpu temp |
| 03:02.30 | Azra`el | and check the ram in the box |
| 03:02.35 | llama32 | i am the lizard queen! |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | travisat: your teacher would cry |
| 03:02.38 | mwilson | Guerin: Yeah, it's hard to find here. I imagine it's impossible there. |
| 03:02.43 | Azra`el | memtest86 has iso's and bootdisks you can use for memory testing. |
| 03:02.45 | abrotman | llama32: i think you're a llama |
| 03:02.47 | Guerin | mwilson: totally. |
| 03:02.54 | travisat | abrotman: tears of joy |
| 03:02.56 | llama32 | s/lizard/llama |
| 03:02.58 | poonj | okay |
| 03:02.59 | abrotman | right |
| 03:03.00 | Guerin | but... I have an oven now, I can MAKE pizza |
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| 03:03.11 | abrotman | Guerin: just an open pit before? |
| 03:03.18 | Phated | Guerin finally has an oven? |
| 03:03.21 | Guerin | abrotman: no, a 2-hob gas range |
| 03:03.24 | Phated | Huzzah. |
| 03:03.27 | abrotman | time to cook the bunneh!! |
| 03:03.28 | travisat | Guerin: you can make pizza in the microwave |
| 03:03.29 | lizsac | i've yet to set down to a base install of any kind of unix and see emacs there waiting for me |
| 03:03.38 | Guerin | travisat: no, you can't |
| 03:03.41 | travisat | I have |
| 03:03.46 | travisat | It sucked |
| 03:03.46 | Guerin | travisat: it wasn't pizza |
| 03:03.48 | abrotman | duh |
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| 03:03.58 | darien2 | Debian unfortunately does |
| 03:04.11 | Azra`el | lizsac: i manually deselect it from my slackware installs |
| 03:04.12 | lizsac | heh what? |
| 03:04.16 | Azra`el | saves me 100 meg. |
| 03:04.19 | lizsac | debian has it? |
| 03:04.22 | darien2 | yeah |
| 03:04.22 | lizsac | no |
| 03:04.24 | pulu | i almost switched to openbsd because of the evilness of emacs built in to debian |
| 03:04.27 | Guerin | darien2: not in base |
| 03:04.28 | lizsac | base install? |
| 03:04.28 | darien2 | it keeps automatically installing it for me anyway |
| 03:04.30 | gravity | Dude... you just remove it |
| 03:04.32 | darien2 | not in base |
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| 03:04.32 | Guerin | darien2: you're delusional |
| 03:04.35 | gravity | I've never installed emacs in a base install |
| 03:04.37 | gravity | You're insane |
| 03:04.39 | travisat | Guerin: if you can call little ceaser's pizza pizza, mine was pizza too |
| 03:04.39 | darien2 | but in the list of packages it tries to install right off the bat |
| 03:04.39 | lizsac | you must have knoppix debian |
| 03:04.41 | lizsac | :) |
| 03:04.44 | poonj | Azra`el: is there something I can use in /proc to do it without restarting? |
| 03:04.44 | darien2 | nope |
| 03:04.56 | abrotman | travisat: don't they only sell that at kmart now? |
| 03:04.59 | Phated | Emacs is not in base. 'nuff said. |
| 03:04.59 | Guerin | travisat: if it's cooked in a microwave, it ain't pizza |
| 03:05.02 | Azra`el | poonj: if acpi is installed |
| 03:05.02 | Guerin | simple as that |
| 03:05.02 | darien2 | I have to purge emacs all the time, even though I know no one ever installs it intentionally (at my company) |
| 03:05.05 | lizsac | a special iso perhaps |
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| 03:05.20 | darien2 | Debian netinst |
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| 03:05.21 | Azra`el | check /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM%numberhere%/temperature |
| 03:05.40 | poonj | arghh |
| 03:05.44 | kerframil | hi folks, I have a fairly simple apt question ... |
| 03:05.49 | poonj | no acpi.. |
| 03:05.54 | Azra`el | k |
| 03:05.55 | poonj | I don't think the stock kernel has it. |
| 03:05.55 | kerframil | is it possible to instruct apt to recurse the dependencies of say, gnome-desktop, and show me the versions of all packages that are currently installed that satisfy it? |
| 03:05.59 | travisat | Guerin: I concede, I made pseudopizza |
| 03:05.59 | llama32 | who wants pizza when you can have a sausage roll? |
| 03:06.04 | Azra`el | no idea |
| 03:06.15 | poonj | let me reboot |
| 03:06.22 | Azra`el | i'd suspect flakey memory more than overheating. |
| 03:06.34 | sh0rt | poonj: modprobe acpi |
| 03:06.52 | Azra`el | sh0rt: apm and acpi are mutually exlusive |
| 03:06.59 | travisat | although pizza flavored hot-pockets taste good |
| 03:07.00 | Azra`el | if acpi's not loaded, apm is |
| 03:07.03 | llama32 | lets all drink ourselves sober! |
| 03:07.08 | Azra`el | llama32: OK |
| 03:07.41 | abrotman | travisat: you live out of a microwave don't you? |
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| 03:08.08 | llama32 | im not allowed to use my microwave because it doesnt have a door |
| 03:08.08 | abrotman | and don't take that to mean you live in one .. |
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| 03:08.11 | dodgeee | Join in WWW.AREM.CJB.NET - The Best Sex HP.... There u find photos, movies for downldoad and much more....Teens, anal, oral, sex, lesbians....join !!!.... WWW.AREM.CJB.NET !!! Dont have any popups !!! |
| 03:08.11 | abrotman | just that you cook all your food in it |
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| 03:08.50 | travisat | abrotman: well, now that you mention it, microwaves are great |
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| 03:09.08 | travisat | I like to stick my face against the window and watch the plate go round |
| 03:09.18 | abrotman | bah .. i wish i couldkline retards |
| 03:09.31 | abrotman | travisat: that's bad for your butt |
| 03:09.33 | Phated | We have !ops, you know. :) |
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| 03:09.42 | Azra`el | dude |
| 03:09.46 | Azra`el | ops can kick and ban. |
| 03:09.50 | yebian | where do I find printer.o |
| 03:09.53 | caphuso | yes, and it's a very good idea to abuse !ops |
| 03:09.59 | abrotman | Azra`el: not all can kline |
| 03:10.04 | abrotman | caphuso: huh? |
| 03:10.06 | yebian | where do I find the printer modules for 2.6.10-k7 |
| 03:10.07 | Azra`el | abrotman: none can |
| 03:10.08 | Phated | caphuso: But... spam! |
| 03:10.09 | Azra`el | ;p |
| 03:10.10 | abrotman | caphuso: he was gone .. so i didn't |
| 03:10.13 | abrotman | Azra`el: some can |
| 03:10.16 | llama32 | travistat: the plate goes round in yours? :( |
| 03:10.18 | caphuso | abrotman: just some general warning |
| 03:10.31 | abrotman | caphuso: i'm confused .. are you telling us to use it or not use it? |
| 03:10.33 | travisat | llama32: muhahahah you have cheap microwaver |
| 03:10.44 | caphuso | abrotman: i'm telling you all to not abuse it |
| 03:10.52 | fbred | how do I change the dpkg language? |
| 03:11.01 | abrotman | caphuso: i missed the sarcasm |
| 03:11.22 | travisat | !abuse the ops |
| 03:11.28 | yebian | In order to get module printer.o for 2.6.10-k7 do I have to compile it? |
| 03:11.44 | abrotman | shold be there .. modconf .. or modprobe printer |
| 03:11.45 | caphuso | it's obviously a Good Thing(tm) to use !ops because of a spammer. but using it to get rid of someone who's just stupid is a more painful way of doing a /part, AFAIC |
| 03:11.52 | yebian | not thre |
| 03:11.57 | caphuso | err, AFAIAC |
| 03:12.08 | Kupal[] | anyone want to hear a WIERD one? |
| 03:12.15 | drac | yebian: what kind of printer? usb? |
| 03:12.15 | abrotman | caphuso: yeah .. the guy is still on freenode ... takes a while to get a voice in #freenode |
| 03:12.33 | yebian | drac: yes |
| 03:12.42 | drac | yebian: modprobe usblp |
| 03:12.49 | Azra`el | you can't get help in #freenode |
| 03:12.50 | yebian | drac: have everything else all I need is printer.o |
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| 03:13.01 | Azra`el | you have to e-mail the fuckers. |
| 03:13.07 | Azra`el | or fill out the web form. |
| 03:13.12 | abrotman | caphuso: i guess he's gone off freenode now |
| 03:13.16 | Kupal[] | Well, I have a remote server.. I can ssh into it. It can resolve hostnames, but it will not connect to anything outbound.. i.e. wget file, apt-get update, ssh host nothing.. |
| 03:13.19 | Kupal[] | its crazy.. |
| 03:13.29 | alindeman | I banned that IP for now |
| 03:13.30 | abrotman | frewall? |
| 03:13.34 | alindeman | Hopefully it won't be back |
| 03:13.35 | abrotman | alindeman: ah |
| 03:13.40 | yebian | drac: I have lp but no usblp |
| 03:13.58 | Kupal[] | abrotman: im not sure if your talking to me.. but i think it would have to be... |
| 03:14.07 | abrotman | so check for one |
| 03:14.16 | abrotman | yebian: different module afaik |
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| 03:14.44 | Kupal[] | abrotman it would be external as its not internal and its on the 1&1 network.. |
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| 03:14.59 | abrotman | Kupal[]: maybe they do that do you on purpose? |
| 03:15.01 | llama32 | in winter, my freezer is hotter than my microwave ever gets :( |
| 03:15.02 | Kupal[] | if they have a firewall infront of it im not sure how to learn anything significant. |
| 03:15.05 | Kupal[] | abrotman: no. |
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| 03:15.21 | abrotman | Kupal[]: call them and ask .. you don't have admin rights to change anything ayways do you? |
| 03:15.38 | Kupal[] | abrotman: my other server is fine.. it also is on one and one. in fact: i just connected from one server to the other |
| 03:15.48 | Kupal[] | abrotman: i will tommorrow.. but its damning. |
| 03:16.02 | abrotman | Kupal[]: not a big fan of 1&1 so . i can't help much |
| 03:16.11 | Kupal[] | abrotman: thats cool.. |
| 03:16.20 | Kupal[] | abrotman: what did they do to you anyhow? |
| 03:16.44 | abrotman | Kupal[]: i've seen thier stuff .. easy to do easy stuff .. impossible to do hard stuff .. with thier tools anyways |
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| 03:17.04 | travisat | its their not thier |
| 03:17.12 | Kupal[] | what was impossible? |
| 03:17.28 | abrotman | travisat: yes .. i type fast .. sue me .. |
| 03:17.42 | travisat | okay, let me call my laywer |
| 03:17.46 | Kupal[] | you know i have done my own install of debian onto there server, this was before they had an image of debian ready for re-imaging. |
| 03:18.01 | abrotman | Kupal[]: i was trying to help someone manage a site .. she was about 50 or 60 .. some crap was near impossible .. but that may have been her package |
| 03:18.13 | Kupal[] | her package. |
| 03:18.13 | abrotman | travisat: you get on that .. come back when you've got one |
| 03:18.24 | bltzfsck | my gnome cd player quit working. |
| 03:18.30 | Kupal[] | if she leased a server vs a vhost it would be better. |
| 03:18.31 | abrotman | Kupal[]: i guess ... not sure . i think it's easier to use vi and ssh :) |
| 03:18.36 | bltzfsck | just thought you might be interested... |
| 03:18.47 | Kupal[] | 100$/mo p4 server on a big phattie pipe.. 10mbs? |
| 03:18.52 | abrotman | bltzfsck: start it again? |
| 03:19.02 | bltzfsck | can't find the pull-rope |
| 03:19.04 | Kupal[] | abrotman: thats my opinion as well. |
| 03:19.08 | abrotman | Kupal[]: i prefer free in my boss' office :) |
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| 03:19.51 | bltzfsck | how can i find out the device name of the second (scsi) cd player on my machine? |
| 03:19.58 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 03:20.00 | Kupal[] | except for when you have stooges working with you, and they can click and install phpbb who cares about omnigod-feature-rich-and-secure-bb package (not phpbb) just an example. |
| 03:20.14 | bltzfsck | k |
| 03:20.15 | abrotman | Kupal[]: i'm the admin .. no stooges |
| 03:20.30 | Kupal[] | abrotman: surely your a busy guy tho? |
| 03:20.35 | abrotman | you're |
| 03:20.41 | abrotman | Kupal[]: small office . 15 people or so |
| 03:20.46 | Kupal[] | gotcha. |
| 03:20.48 | abrotman | but about 15 servers |
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| 03:20.56 | bltzfsck | dmesg seems to be broken. |
| 03:20.57 | abrotman | stupid developers have wacky needs |
| 03:20.58 | yebian | am I to understand that if a module I think I need isn't in lib/modules/kernelversion" I must download the kernel source for my currently running kernel and compile that particular codeblock as a module? |
| 03:20.59 | Kupal[] | man i wish i was in an office like that. |
| 03:21.10 | bltzfsck | parport0: FIFO is stuck |
| 03:21.10 | bltzfsck | parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio |
| 03:21.10 | bltzfsck | FIFO write timed out |
| 03:21.12 | Kupal[] | what kind of developers? |
| 03:21.15 | sean_micken | will the nvidia drivers work with any 2.6 kernel source or do i have to use debian' |
| 03:21.16 | bltzfsck | all i get is that |
| 03:21.16 | abrotman | yebian: it really should be there |
| 03:21.18 | sean_micken | s. |
| 03:21.18 | sean_micken | ? |
| 03:21.27 | abrotman | Kupal[]: financial shit |
| 03:21.30 | travisat | sean_micken: they should |
| 03:21.44 | Kupal[] | man it sounds like i would have to lick the kings nutsack to get a job like that. |
| 03:21.47 | yebian | abrotman: printer.o isn't I cant understand why either all of my other usb stuff works |
| 03:21.53 | abrotman | sean_micken: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 03:21.54 | Kupal[] | xcuse me :) |
| 03:22.10 | bltzfsck | anybody know what that means? |
| 03:22.13 | abrotman | Kupal[]: i actually want out |
| 03:22.18 | Kupal[] | pay? |
| 03:22.19 | bltzfsck | FIFO is stuck? |
| 03:22.22 | abrotman | no .. pay is fine |
| 03:22.30 | Kupal[] | politik! |
| 03:22.42 | bltzfsck | maybe if i tap it with a small screwdriver... |
| 03:22.58 | yebian | lol |
| 03:23.07 | abrotman | Kupal[]: they are pushing me more into a proprietary programming language which basically only our company codes in for an app that only financial companies use .. something i want no part of |
| 03:23.11 | sean_micken | abrotman, hmm... i have to install new kernel headers? |
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| 03:23.20 | poonj | Azra`el: 60C |
| 03:23.22 | Kupal[] | ouch.. |
| 03:23.24 | travisat | sean_micken: for your kernel |
| 03:23.27 | abrotman | sean_micken: i don't use nvidia .. do what dpkg says .. they tell me it works |
| 03:23.28 | Azra`el | much too high. |
| 03:23.30 | Kupal[] | can't just continue to admin eh? |
| 03:23.32 | poonj | Azra`el: I think my HSF isn't cutting it |
| 03:23.44 | abrotman | Kupal[]: i did my job too well .. nothing to do :) |
| 03:23.45 | Azra`el | poonj: how long since you cleaned the case? |
| 03:23.47 | poonj | Azra`el: is there a HSF you'd suggest for a Athlon 3000+? |
| 03:23.52 | poonj | I just cleaned it yesterday |
| 03:23.55 | poonj | I rebuilt my computer |
| 03:24.01 | Kupal[] | pull the plug on a server... :) |
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| 03:24.12 | Kupal[] | pretend to be scared.. |
| 03:24.15 | sean_micken | travisat, ok... well, if i use the ck-sources kernel then i'm sure debian doesn't have a corresponding kernel-headers for that. |
| 03:24.18 | poonj | I think its my HSF, plus its a AMD 3000+...and that thing runs hot |
| 03:24.23 | Kupal[] | but make it look like your hiding it.. |
| 03:24.27 | Azra`el | poonj: call your local computer place, |
| 03:24.31 | Kupal[] | all will be good again for 6-8mo's |
| 03:24.33 | Azra`el | you shouldn't be going over about 45c |
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| 03:24.46 | travisat | sean_micken: if you have the sources and do make-kpkg kernel-headers in the source you will make them |
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| 03:24.53 | abrotman | Kupal[]: oh i've done bad stuff .. i flubbed a kernel upgrade one day .. yeah stuff happens .. but it's not enough to keep me doing admin work every day |
| 03:25.00 | Kupal[] | put halt in the init script they will never figure it out. |
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| 03:25.12 | Kupal[] | that sucks. |
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| 03:25.15 | abrotman | Kupal[]: and the stuff iw ant to do . they won't let me . because they are short sighted weenies :) |
| 03:25.23 | Zenoma | what disk of sarge has KDE on it? |
| 03:25.24 | Kupal[] | 15 linux servers and nothing to do. |
| 03:25.26 | Kupal[] | see why you should of gone M$ |
| 03:25.26 | abrotman | not all inux |
| 03:25.27 | sean_micken | travisat, oh, nice... so if i install that plus the new kernel, reboot into it, and see that it is running okay, can i uninstall the old kernel/kernel headers? |
| 03:25.30 | abrotman | err not all linux |
| 03:25.34 | Kupal[] | ahh |
| 03:25.42 | gravity | Zenoma: That's not decided yet, since sarge isn't out |
| 03:25.47 | expose | can anyone show me how a userdb line of courier looks like? |
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| 03:26.00 | travisat | sean_micken: if you do buildpackage in the source it will make both the kernel-image and kernel-headers |
| 03:26.01 | abrotman | the fileserver is still NT .. some SQL etc .. it's all for the developers |
| 03:26.03 | Zenoma | hmm, well i appear to be downloading a copy, disk 1 of 14, so which one of those 14 has KDE on it |
| 03:26.13 | gravity | Zenoma: You'll have to figure that out for yourself |
| 03:26.15 | Kupal[] | expose: that can go like twelve different ways bud. |
| 03:26.16 | yebian | I have no module that has printer or lp included anywhere int the name. |
| 03:26.25 | expose | so...if i have "user@example.tld" shoud i write user file=value or should i write user@example.tld field=value |
| 03:26.25 | Zenoma | but i'm not getting 14 disks... |
| 03:26.28 | poonj | Azra`el: will do |
| 03:26.31 | Zenoma | if i use apt-get will it get me KDE? |
| 03:26.32 | Kupal[] | expose: goto courier.. like my userdb is in postgressql. |
| 03:26.37 | abrotman | Kupal[]: hard to not use MSSQL when one of the apps you code for depends on the server being MSSQL :) |
| 03:26.43 | Azra`el | Zenoma, not like you have a choice, if you're going to download the cd's do it. |
| 03:26.48 | Azra`el | otherwise, get the net-install disk |
| 03:26.54 | Azra`el | and do it that way. ;p |
| 03:26.58 | expose | Kupal[]: i am talking about /etc/courier/userdb |
| 03:27.04 | expose | there are just two formats of that one. |
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| 03:27.18 | expose | and i am talking about the standard format, using a single file. |
| 03:27.30 | yebian | how the hell could I not have a printer driver? |
| 03:27.35 | Zenoma | wheres the net install disk then? |
| 03:27.39 | Kupal[] | abrotman: this company im working with now is all M$, im just temp till they find someone to hire. i specifically only come into to specialize on new shit. then leave the smelly in a handbasket for someone else. |
| 03:27.58 | Kupal[] | but yeah there biggest issue is access + ms sql + access its so funny to watch. |
| 03:28.03 | abrotman | Kupal[]: heh .. yeah .. so i'm kind of looking .. we'll see what happens |
| 03:28.06 | Kupal[] | I would never fix it, .... never... |
| 03:28.10 | vonschutter | how do you tell kde to start custom apps onlogin???? |
| 03:28.24 | vonschutter | like in gnome?? |
| 03:28.26 | abrotman | yebian: uname -r |
| 03:28.29 | travisat | yebian: you messed up compiling your kernel |
| 03:28.35 | abrotman | vonschutter: #debian-kde |
| 03:28.35 | gravity | !ep |
| 03:28.35 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:28.43 | vonschutter | ok |
| 03:28.51 | abrotman | gravity: hard on your old eyes? |
| 03:28.56 | holycow | vonschutter, kdm should have session management, check kde control center maybe? |
| 03:28.57 | gravity | abrotman: Indeedy |
| 03:28.59 | llama32 | does dpkg have an off button? |
| 03:29.01 | Kupal[] | sorry gravity. |
| 03:29.05 | abrotman | dpkg: shut up |
| 03:29.05 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 03:29.10 | abrotman | llama32: apparently not |
| 03:29.13 | travisat | dpkg: turn off |
| 03:29.15 | llama32 | lol |
| 03:29.30 | abrotman | yebian: where'd you go? |
| 03:29.43 | Kupal[] | well goodnight ppls... |
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| 03:29.49 | abrotman | !night |
| 03:29.50 | dpkg | gnight |
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| 03:30.01 | vonschutter | holycow: yes but i can not see whre to "specify" apps... |
| 03:30.03 | llama32 | i wish /kill -9 `pidof dpkg` would work :( |
| 03:30.27 | travisat | dpkg: turn off is <reply> |
| 03:30.27 | dpkg | travisat: okay |
| 03:30.30 | travisat | opps |
| 03:30.34 | travisat | oopss |
| 03:30.47 | abrotman | good job |
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| 03:30.54 | holycow | vonschutter, try either google or #debian-kde |
| 03:30.56 | abrotman | !tell cornholio about away |
| 03:31.00 | abrotman | for the third fucking time |
| 03:31.28 | cornholio | :| |
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| 03:31.36 | port80 | woo for dansguardian |
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| 03:31.55 | abrotman | cornholio: well .. turn it off .. and that won't happen |
| 03:32.15 | vonschutter | ok -- here is how: make a shortcut, move it into ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 03:32.32 | cornholio | doesn´t have an announcer |
| 03:32.45 | abrotman | turn off the away crap altogether |
| 03:33.07 | abrotman | where did yebian go? |
| 03:33.11 | sean_micken | does dpkg have anything to say about kernel recompilation for 2.6? |
| 03:33.17 | abrotman | yebian: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko |
| 03:33.19 | travisat | !kp |
| 03:33.19 | dpkg | methinks kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 03:33.48 | Azra`el | why dosen't debian do it what we like to call, THE RIGHT WAY ? |
| 03:33.55 | abrotman | que? |
| 03:34.02 | abrotman | Azra`el: that is the debian way .. |
| 03:34.11 | abrotman | and it is the right way |
| 03:34.19 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:34.19 | travisat | Azra`el: you can do it any way you want to |
| 03:34.23 | Azra`el | no |
| 03:34.42 | abrotman | Azra`el: is it the kernel.org way .. no .. it's the debian way .. and the right way to do with when you're running debian |
| 03:34.43 | rob^ | wether it will work or not is another thing |
| 03:34.46 | Azra`el | the right way is make xconfig, or make menuconfig, or make config, or vi config & make |
| 03:34.53 | Azra`el | right |
| 03:34.57 | travisat | Azra`el: um...you do do that |
| 03:34.57 | Azra`el | but the problem with distros |
| 03:35.01 | abrotman | i make menuconfig .. then make-kpkg binary |
| 03:35.02 | abrotman | not hard |
| 03:35.05 | Azra`el | is that they go and do stupid shit(tm) |
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| 03:35.26 | travisat | Azra`el: you just use make-kpkg install of make;make-install |
| 03:35.26 | abrotman | Azra`el: then don't use debian .. we're not forcing you to . or to use make-kpkg .. don't bitch |
| 03:35.29 | Azra`el | that ruins their <> compatibility and functionality through the group as a whole |
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| 03:35.41 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 03:35.44 | abrotman | blah . whatever |
| 03:35.49 | Azra`el | abrotman, |
| 03:35.51 | Azra`el | i sit in #ati |
| 03:36.00 | Azra`el | and help people when i can with their ati video card |
| 03:36.03 | abrotman | and you guys make shitting drivers :) |
| 03:36.04 | Azra`el | you know who has the most trouble? |
| 03:36.06 | abrotman | err shitty |
| 03:36.09 | abrotman | debian |
| 03:36.10 | Azra`el | i don't work for ati. |
| 03:36.11 | abrotman | you know why? |
| 03:36.17 | abrotman | because ati makes it hard :) |
| 03:36.19 | stupendo44 | hey, guys. I'm trying to get supermount to work on SimplyMepis 2004 with Gnome. I used synaptic to install supermount, but is there anything else that I have to do? |
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| 03:36.30 | abrotman | !mepis |
| 03:36.30 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. |
| 03:36.37 | Azra`el | abrotman, nvidia will have the same issues. No Kernel Source |
| 03:36.39 | abrotman | blah .. not this channel .. #mepis |
| 03:36.51 | travisat | Azra`el: nvidia works just fine |
| 03:36.51 | abrotman | Azra`el: apt-get intall kernel-source-`uname -r` |
| 03:36.54 | stupendo44 | k, thanks |
| 03:36.55 | travisat | !nvidia |
| 03:36.56 | dpkg | [nvidia] To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 03:36.56 | abrotman | yay . problem solved |
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| 03:37.32 | abrotman | *contacts .. wonky* |
| 03:37.32 | Azra`el | abrotman, and when the sources don't match, doing it that way? |
| 03:37.40 | travisat | Azra`el: did you just come here to bitch about debian |
| 03:37.50 | Azra`el | travisat, nope. i'm just ranting. |
| 03:37.51 | llama32 | wow, dpkg has a use? |
| 03:37.52 | abrotman | Azra`el: why wouldnt it match? .. unless you're not using a debian kernel .. then i can't help it |
| 03:37.55 | Azra`el | i usually help people. =) |
| 03:38.01 | Azra`el | where i can. |
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| 03:38.23 | sean_micken | travisat, so, it's a must to install both the kernel-image and kernel-headers if i am moving from 2.4 to 2.6? |
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| 03:38.36 | travisat | sean_micken: yes, if you want to compile stuff |
| 03:38.49 | RRT | with default gnome/sarge config. how do I create an iso of a cd? |
| 03:38.58 | abrotman | sean_micken: it's a damn good idea |
| 03:39.03 | sean_micken | k. |
| 03:39.04 | abrotman | RRT: you mean burn an iso? |
| 03:39.08 | sean_micken | then i can remove the old stuff? |
| 03:39.09 | llama32 | RRT: k3b? |
| 03:39.26 | travisat | sean_micken: if you want to |
| 03:39.27 | abrotman | llama32: that's kde you idiot |
| 03:39.32 | llama32 | although that wouldnt be in a default install |
| 03:39.37 | abrotman | RRT: nautilus has a CD Creator |
| 03:39.48 | RRT | i would like to create an iso from a cd i have. to burn copies it is a vcd |
| 03:39.49 | pulu | RRT: you could always use dd |
| 03:39.56 | sean_micken | travisat, wouldn't some files from the 2.6 headers overwrite some from the 2.4? |
| 03:40.04 | travisat | sean_micken: no |
| 03:40.07 | RRT | i am trying but gnome automounts the drive when inserted |
| 03:40.08 | dodophobic | hey sean_micken try http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html Its a good guide |
| 03:40.42 | pulu | RRT: /etc/init.d/gdm stop; dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/tmp/mycutecd.iso bs=512 |
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| 03:41.24 | Azra`el | pulu: cruel. |
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| 03:41.54 | RRT | thanks will try that one. |
| 03:42.05 | pulu | the only time i've made isos in linux that's what i did, but it's not like i go around making isos all the time, and they were all data cds anyway |
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| 03:42.55 | Azra`el | pulu: five bucks says he's back within a half hour screaming |
| 03:43.17 | abrotman | half hour? |
| 03:43.21 | abrotman | 2 minutes |
| 03:43.29 | Azra`el | he may not get X started again |
| 03:43.32 | Azra`el | without a reboot |
| 03:43.34 | Azra`el | =) |
| 03:43.42 | pulu | oh, didn't think about that one |
| 03:43.53 | dodophobic | lol |
| 03:43.58 | abrotman | especially since he could ahve used dd from an xterm |
| 03:44.07 | Azra`el | abrotman, but it wouldn't be as fun! |
| 03:44.22 | llama32 | lol |
| 03:44.23 | pulu | abrotman: he said gnome was automounting it, so that's the easiest way to solve that problem |
| 03:44.30 | llama32 | "failsafe xterm" |
| 03:44.37 | llama32 | ie no gnome... |
| 03:45.00 | abrotman | pulu: or just unmount it ? |
| 03:45.09 | pulu | actually he could have done it even if it was mounted... |
| 03:45.16 | Azra`el | nod |
| 03:45.28 | pulu | oh well, so much for my helpful tips! |
| 03:45.44 | Azra`el | i was amused |
| 03:45.50 | Azra`el | and bash.org may be as well! |
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| 03:47.28 | eonblue | whoa ho ho |
| 03:47.36 | abrotman | ho ho whoa |
| 03:47.37 | eonblue | wTf is UP my NINJAZ!??!?!!? |
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| 03:47.44 | eonblue | hiPPity MOtherFuggin HOP |
| 03:47.46 | abrotman | eonblue: you can stop now |
| 03:47.48 | eonblue | it's EASTER TIME |
| 03:47.52 | abrotman | eonblue: shut up |
| 03:47.57 | eonblue | abrotman eat my ass |
| 03:48.04 | abrotman | eonblue: really .. stop |
| 03:48.36 | abrotman | yay . i can shovel crap |
| 03:48.38 | eonblue | haha |
| 03:48.45 | eonblue | abrotman is a tool |
| 03:48.56 | Azra`el | he seems like it sometimes, but i think he's ok |
| 03:48.58 | expose | if authdaemonrc is configured to use authuserdb, makeuserdb as done, and /etc/courier/userdb contains "user systempw=user" why cant i login with user:user then!? |
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| 03:49.17 | abrotman | what the hell did i do? |
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| 03:49.23 | abrotman | idiots |
| 03:49.38 | eonblue | abrotman turdblaster |
| 03:49.38 | sean_micken | !udev |
| 03:49.38 | dpkg | i guess udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 03:49.47 | sean_micken | "or broken and shit" |
| 03:49.49 | sean_micken | why? |
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| 03:50.03 | abrotman | anyways |
| 03:50.10 | abrotman | sean_micken: udev has issues sometimes |
| 03:50.29 | eonblue | indeed |
| 03:50.32 | dsellers | << LINUX NEWB :: can a windows box read files off of a debian box? |
| 03:50.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:50.45 | eonblue | dsellers only on tuesdays |
| 03:50.49 | dsellers | huh |
| 03:50.55 | abrotman | !ops please kick eonblue |
| 03:50.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please kick eonblue |
| 03:51.05 | abrotman | and i'm asking .. pretty please |
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| 03:51.11 | *** kick/#debian [eonblue!foobar@p5481C050.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
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| 03:51.15 | abrotman | caphuso: thank you |
| 03:51.30 | Azra`el | uh |
| 03:51.37 | gravity | dsellers: Yes, over a network |
| 03:51.39 | abrotman | Azra`el: what? |
| 03:51.39 | dsellers | well that was exciting |
| 03:51.41 | Azra`el | that needs to be undone. |
| 03:51.44 | gravity | dsellers: You'll have to set up samba to do it |
| 03:51.44 | dsellers | ok |
| 03:51.47 | abrotman | Azra`el: why? |
| 03:51.54 | Azra`el | unless there's history i'm not aware of, he didn't do anything to warrant a ban. |
| 03:52.04 | LoRez | Azra`el: he was being offensive. |
| 03:52.09 | dsellers | samba?? ok I will look into it |
| 03:52.11 | Azra`el | lorez: i have been as well. |
| 03:52.13 | dawg | dsellers, explore2fs (if i remember the name correctly) |
| 03:52.15 | Azra`el | in the same way. |
| 03:52.22 | Azra`el | however, i'm here mostly to help. |
| 03:52.26 | LoRez | well, then. would you like to be removed too? |
| 03:52.28 | Azra`el | it's called "being human" |
| 03:52.40 | abrotman | Azra`el: not like that :) |
| 03:52.42 | Azra`el | if you remove me, it would be bad. |
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| 03:52.45 | gravity | Azra`el: That guy was being a tool. We have over 700 people in here. He wasn't helping. |
| 03:52.46 | Azra`el | =) |
| 03:52.49 | abrotman | dsellers: you mean over a network or on the sam emachine |
| 03:52.57 | mwilson | Someone has the idea that IRC is a democracy again? |
| 03:53.00 | dsellers | network |
| 03:53.02 | LoRez | Azra`el: is that a threat? |
| 03:53.05 | abrotman | Azra`el: when someone just repeatedly makes smart ass comments |
| 03:53.10 | Azra`el | lorez: nosir. |
| 03:53.10 | mwilson | Ops do what ops do. |
| 03:53.14 | Azra`el | i don't make threats sir. |
| 03:53.18 | pw | "This is IRC. You can be banned for any reason or none at all." |
| 03:53.19 | dsellers | I want to convert an old box to linux to start playing with |
| 03:53.20 | abrotman | what does that mean? |
| 03:53.38 | abrotman | dsellers: you can use samba to connect to a linux box from a windows box and vice versa |
| 03:53.54 | abrotman | pw: oops i sneezed ..shit .. i banned someone :) |
| 03:54.22 | Azra`el | irc is controlled anarchy, always has been. but trying to enforce more order than is vital brings about things like the efnet split |
| 03:54.39 | gravity | Azra`el: We don't need more assholes in here. Period. |
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| 03:54.50 | Azra`el | gravity, gotcha. |
| 03:54.57 | pw | Azra`el: Kicking that idiot didn't threaten the integrity of the network, I assure you. |
| 03:55.03 | shingouz | awwwww... stop pestering the ops, i think they are doing a good job here |
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| 03:55.15 | Azra`el | so, i'll quit selling debian on retail machines, and find a better distro. =) |
| 03:55.21 | Azra`el | ~ |
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| 03:55.24 | pw | You do that. |
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| 03:55.32 | rob^ | dsellers, grab a distro, chuck in the cd and off you go.. dont forget to back up anything you want to keep first! |
| 03:55.43 | abrotman | pw: but he came to a channel where i op .. didn't last long |
| 03:55.50 | gravity | What a moron |
| 03:55.52 | sean_micken | travisat, is it the linux-kernel-headers (2.5.999-test7-bk-16) that i can remove now that i have my own kernel-headers installed and running? |
| 03:56.13 | abrotman | i don't see why he was so upset |
| 03:56.19 | cat | !Jigdo |
| 03:56.19 | dpkg | jigdo is, like, *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 03:56.21 | nailbiter | sean_micken: no you can't remove it -- they're not quite the same. :) |
| 03:56.27 | gravity | abrotman: Because he's an asshole at heart |
| 03:56.29 | sean_micken | nailbiter, oh? |
| 03:56.35 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:56.48 | cinix | I'm trying to use apt-build build-source and I keep getting the error: Can't chdir(-): No such file or directory at (eval 1) line 3 |
| 03:56.53 | gravity | Or possibly a troll |
| 03:56.55 | rob^ | cat.. jigdo is also the only way to get the dvd images |
| 03:57.09 | gravity | Oh no! He's going to stop selling Debian on his retail shitboxes he puts together in his mom's basement! |
| 03:57.21 | nailbiter | sean_micken: linux-kernel-headers represents the last stable system call interface that you're compiling your programs against |
| 03:57.27 | cinix | I don't know what line 3 refers to, but the line in apt-build has two variable names surrounding the '-' |
| 03:57.40 | cinix | could it not be passing them, or is there something wrong with my setup |
| 03:57.59 | yebian | abrotman: Im a moron usblp was there. |
| 03:58.02 | nailbiter | sean_micken: whereas the kernel headers represents the function call interface you're compiling _kernel_modules_ against .. |
| 03:58.11 | dsellers | thanks for the help |
| 03:58.14 | sean_micken | nailbiter, mm k. |
| 03:58.18 | abrotman | yebian: you got it all sorted out? |
| 03:58.39 | yebian | abrotman: now I think theres something wrong with my driver. |
| 03:58.46 | nailbiter | sean_micken: and yes, you can substitute one for the other in some cases, but i really recommend not. :) |
| 03:59.18 | yebian | abrotman: not a driver a ppd file |
| 03:59.18 | sean_micken | nailbiter, k.. what's the read-edid, mdetect, and discover pkgs? |
| 03:59.25 | abrotman | yebian: well .. i don't own a printer .. i can't help too much there |
| 03:59.37 | yebian | abrotman: I'll figgur it out. |
| 03:59.48 | abrotman | yebian: check cups.org |
| 03:59.53 | abrotman | or linuxprinting.org |
| 04:00.06 | yebian | abrotman: just using old fashioned lpr |
| 04:00.08 | nailbiter | sean_micken: 'discover' auto-loads kernel modules by checking hardware against a vendor list. 'mdetect' exhaustively probes for all kinds of mice |
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| 04:00.33 | abrotman | yebian: oh ok |
| 04:00.59 | nailbiter | sean_micken: and 'read-edid' will, on certain video chipset/monitor combos, print a list of modes that your video setup supports |
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| 04:01.35 | sean_micken | nailbiter, thanks. :) |
| 04:01.53 | llama32 | ive got a really old dot-matrix printer (Epson LX-400) that i want to get working... is there an easy way to set it up? |
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| 04:02.05 | poonj | I have two sound cards loaded...one for BTTV and the other is the EMU10K1. How do I make it so that ALSA make the EMU10K1 the first card to load |
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| 04:02.13 | poonj | rather than the BTTV card to load first? |
| 04:02.42 | pulu | llama32: do you want to print graphics with it or just text? |
| 04:03.20 | nailbiter | llama32: check the compatibility list at linuxprinting.org first; if it's supported by Ghostscript or Foomatic, you should be able to use CUPS with it |
| 04:03.23 | llama32 | pulu: just text, but graphics would be cool too (fonts, etc.) |
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| 04:03.37 | sean_micken | nailbiter, you a GNOME user? :) |
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| 04:03.58 | booyeah | what happens when something in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh locks up? |
| 04:04.01 | nailbiter | sean_micken: sometimes, yeah. :) |
| 04:04.08 | booyeah | can the booting procedure timeout it, and keep going? |
| 04:04.14 | pulu | llama32: if you want the whole shebang, do what nailbiter said, cups is pretty straightforward |
| 04:04.16 | booyeah | or does it just lock the boot process up? |
| 04:04.17 | sean_micken | nailbiter, seems like most debian users are. |
| 04:04.28 | Guerin | sean_micken: doubtful |
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| 04:04.31 | sean_micken | nailbiter, what else do you use? |
| 04:04.34 | nailbiter | booyeah: yes. :) you can get around it by passing 'init=/bin/bash' to the kernel at boot time |
| 04:04.41 | llama32 | k thanks nailbiter & pulu |
| 04:04.42 | abrotman | sean_micken: is that a problem? |
| 04:04.45 | joey_ | booyeah, in my experience, and initscript which locks up, locks up the init process |
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| 04:04.49 | sean_micken | abrotman, no. |
| 04:04.51 | llama32 | bong on, live long! |
| 04:04.54 | joey_ | \/and/any/ |
| 04:04.55 | booyeah | joey_: isnt that a bad design? |
| 04:04.58 | sean_micken | abrotman, did i say it was? |
| 04:04.58 | o0o | how to I get xchat to support ssl under debian? |
| 04:04.58 | pulu | you can ctrl-c certain things in the init |
| 04:05.01 | nailbiter | sean_micken: at work, i use KDE. and in emergencies, the linux console ;-) |
| 04:05.09 | joey_ | booyeah, i thought so yeah ;) |
| 04:05.10 | cat | o0o: apt-cache search xchat |
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| 04:05.37 | abrotman | sean_micken: don't make me kick your ass :) |
| 04:05.45 | sean_micken | abrotman, rofl. okay. :) |
| 04:06.14 | o0o | i have xchat...just the ssl box is not checkable |
| 04:06.31 | booyeah | joey_: doesnt redhat time out services that lock up? |
| 04:06.41 | joey_ | booyeah, it might not be hard to do what you want. find the script that calls the init scripts, and have it & each one, and sleep for a bit. don't know about red hat sry |
| 04:06.42 | mwilson | o0o: That's usually why the xchat-ssl package exists. |
| 04:07.10 | o0o | only included in unstable? |
| 04:07.14 | nailbiter | booyeah: if you want to debug bootmisc.sh, change the #!/bin/sh line at the top of the script to '#!/bin/sh -x'. that'll print a line-by-line trace as the script executes |
| 04:07.39 | mwilson | o0o: I wouldn't know. |
| 04:07.40 | Guerin | o0o: pdo will tell you |
| 04:08.47 | booyeah | nailbiter: its on a remote box =) |
| 04:08.56 | booyeah | nailbiter: i think we are just going to get a support ticket for it |
| 04:09.14 | nailbiter | booyeah: oops. :) did someone customize the bootmisc.sh script and b0rk it? |
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| 04:09.54 | sean_micken | what's the -4 for on XF86Config ? |
| 04:10.18 | nailbiter | sean_micken: it means that config file is specific to XFree86 version 4 |
| 04:10.21 | Uberjohn | what file do I edit to set the IP of my box and not have it use dhcp? |
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| 04:10.36 | pulu | Uberjohn: /etc/init.d/interfaces |
| 04:10.39 | pulu | err |
| 04:10.44 | nailbiter | Uberjohn: edit /etc/network/interfaces. :) there's a nice example you can copy out in the interfaces(5) manual page |
| 04:10.47 | sean_micken | nailbiter, ah, k. |
| 04:10.50 | pulu | err /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:10.59 | pulu | man i should just stop typing |
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| 04:11.42 | poonj | hey guys, I have two sound cards loaded, BTTV and EMU10K1. how do I change it so that the default card is the EMU10K1? |
| 04:12.15 | nailbiter | poonj: are you using the ALSA or OSS drivers? |
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| 04:12.34 | poonj | alsa |
| 04:12.52 | booyeah | nailbiter: thats what happened |
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| 04:13.04 | booyeah | nailbiter: started mysql daemon without backgrounding it |
| 04:13.32 | nailbiter | booyeah: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh is probably the wrong place to start MySQL; in any case, there's the debian mysql package, which has its own startup script |
| 04:13.53 | booyeah | nailbiter: yeah i know, its better to put the init.d script that comes with mysql |
| 04:14.03 | booyeah | nailbiter: its a compiled mysql, not distribution one |
| 04:14.08 | Guerin | poonj: put the emu module above the bttv module in /etc/modules |
| 04:14.28 | poonj | Guerin, I don't have it modulated..but I guess thats the only way around it.. |
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| 04:14.43 | kaplanfx | this is weird, I was having sound quality issues for a few months, I think the newest NVIDIA drivers fixed it! Maybe a pci bus issue? |
| 04:15.21 | abrotman | or driver issues? |
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| 04:15.33 | nailbiter | poonj: well, you _can_ edit /etc/asound.conf, but that only works for ALSA-aware applications |
| 04:15.37 | Guerin | poonj: well, there are bound to be other ways, but that's the easiest I can think of |
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| 04:15.48 | poonj | thats the easiest as well |
| 04:15.53 | Guerin | but hell, there's a hard way to do anything |
| 04:15.56 | poonj | from what I've been thinking |
| 04:15.58 | kaplanfx | abrotman: yeah |
| 04:16.11 | poonj | nailbiter: that'd be too app specific |
| 04:16.12 | kaplanfx | abrotman: new driver seems really good |
| 04:16.15 | kaplanfx | so far |
| 04:16.17 | phig | someone should fix debian/sparc |
| 04:16.30 | phig | it broxed :/ |
| 04:16.30 | kaplanfx | phig: it is possibly being dropped |
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| 04:16.37 | phig | kaplanfx: figures |
| 04:16.50 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 04:16.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 04:16.54 | kaplanfx | phig: what kinda sun box you got? |
| 04:17.17 | nailbiter | poonj: did you also want OSS applications to use a different default device? |
| 04:17.21 | phig | a bunch. ss5's and 20's are the fastest |
| 04:17.26 | poonj | yeah |
| 04:17.30 | poonj | just the sound in general |
| 04:17.38 | abrotman | phig: like 170Mhz ? |
| 04:17.41 | abrotman | or faster? |
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| 04:17.49 | poonj | so that way I don't have to mess with configuration of each application to choose which device to use |
| 04:18.12 | phig | probably slower |
| 04:18.27 | phig | i don't remember what this one is i'm playing with now |
| 04:18.42 | abrotman | cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 04:18.46 | phig | ti supersparc-ii whatever it is |
| 04:18.50 | phig | 50 bogomips |
| 04:18.51 | kaplanfx | all sparc are 64 bit? |
| 04:18.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:18.55 | abrotman | kaplanfx: no |
| 04:19.02 | abrotman | kaplanfx: not the really old ones |
| 04:19.04 | phig | kaplanfx: Ultras are 64bit |
| 04:19.06 | nailbiter | poonj: i can't think of how to do this besides rebuilding ALSA support as modules |
| 04:19.32 | abrotman | kaplanfx: basically anything less than i think 7 years or so is 64bit |
| 04:19.39 | poonj | yeah, thats what I'm gonna do |
| 04:19.57 | nailbiter | poonj: good luck. ;-) |
| 04:20.05 | poonj | nailbiter: I'm gonna need it! |
| 04:20.22 | poonj | nailbiter: would you know of a good place to get HSFs? |
| 04:20.32 | poonj | nailbiter: my other box is using an athlon3000+ |
| 04:21.12 | poonj | nailbiter: and basically...its overheating becuase I dind't realize my HSF only supported chips up to an athlon 2000+. you know of a brand that you'd suggest? |
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| 04:23.30 | kaplanfx | aptitude install aptitude (thats a funny command) |
| 04:23.52 | kaplanfx | it works though |
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| 04:24.01 | yebian | got it needed gs and gs-esp |
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| 04:26.34 | mwilson | hm... gnutls incorporated upstream... |
| 04:26.47 | mwilson | That should be an interesting problem for mutt-ng... |
| 04:26.56 | Uberjohn | how do I setup DNS entries for my box |
| 04:27.13 | mwilson | Do you control the DNS? |
| 04:27.13 | Xameleons | (((((((((((((RUSSKIE ESTb))))))))))))))))) |
| 04:27.42 | rob^ | k |
| 04:27.47 | mwilson | Uberjohn: Yes, or no? Simple question. |
| 04:27.47 | Uberjohn | I mean for use to resolve addresses not to edit entries in DNS |
| 04:28.10 | Uberjohn | and no, I don't control my ISP'd dns |
| 04:28.11 | mwilson | Uberjohn: How does your box receive an IP? |
| 04:28.20 | Uberjohn | static |
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| 04:28.35 | sussudio | in soviet russia, fucktard spams you? |
| 04:28.35 | mwilson | Uberjohn: Then place your ISP's DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:28.59 | mwilson | Uberjohn: You can look at the man page for it for the syntax. |
| 04:30.06 | phig | In societ russia, IP receives YOU! |
| 04:30.15 | phig | soviet |
| 04:30.36 | dexter__ | How can i see what program is using what port? |
| 04:30.44 | mwilson | lsof |
| 04:31.34 | phig | netstat -lp works |
| 04:32.11 | gaasfet | http://www.audiocardsettlement.com/form.asp |
| 04:32.29 | Guerin | gaasfet: i do hope that was a mistake |
| 04:32.59 | gaasfet | the first gen cards did not do 24/96 as advertised |
| 04:33.32 | rob^ | ? |
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| 04:34.40 | nailbiter | poonj: sorry -- i haven't bought hardware in yonks. ;-) |
| 04:34.56 | poonj | nailbiter: its cool..I think I've found a reasonable replacement |
| 04:35.06 | Uberjohn | newegg |
| 04:35.09 | travisat | http://www.audiocardsettlement.com ???? where did that come from |
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| 04:37.21 | mwilson | ah, I got four new filk albums today |
| 04:37.45 | Guerin | filk? |
| 04:37.52 | mwilson | google it |
| 04:37.56 | nvz | sussudio: that happens in #debian |
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| 04:39.24 | Guerin | another piece in the never-to-be-completed puzzle that is mwilson |
| 04:39.42 | mwilson | Why do you say that? |
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| 04:40.13 | nvz | I need to make a script that ignores anyone not on debstats on sundays automatically :P |
| 04:40.37 | caphuso | nvz: hah |
| 04:41.03 | peterS | nvz: heh |
| 04:41.12 | nvz | then teach debhelper to just devoice them |
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| 04:41.30 | mwilson | Guerin: You don't see me as a fan? |
| 04:41.36 | peterS | umm. that'd make it pretty hard for someone new to get on debstats (: |
| 04:41.40 | peterS | I suppose that's the whole point |
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| 04:43.14 | nvz | I need a monitor strecher |
| 04:43.25 | nvz | tube expansion kit |
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| 04:43.37 | caphuso | what is the velocity of an unladen swallow? |
| 04:43.41 | peterS | you only call them 'stretchers' if they are for people or animals. otherwise it's called a 'cart', I think |
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| 04:43.59 | nvz | a cart? |
| 04:44.02 | nvz | oh |
| 04:44.07 | nvz | what a bad pun |
| 04:44.22 | peterS | heh |
| 04:44.28 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | helo |
| 04:44.37 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hello* |
| 04:44.48 | karsten | !nicometer SPEEDing|V\oNK |
| 04:45.01 | nvz | syntax error: near malformed pun: EMAKESNOSENSE |
| 04:45.06 | peterS | 220 Hello SPEEDing|V\oNK (c-24-63-193-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net), pleased to meet you |
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| 04:45.18 | mwilson | I'll actually have to plug my ipod back into the computer again... haven't done that in almost a year. |
| 04:45.19 | karsten | !nickometer SPEEDing|V\oNK |
| 04:45.19 | dpkg | 'SPEEDing|V\oNK' is 99.890% lame, karsten |
| 04:45.36 | sussudio | !tell VobiscuM about away |
| 04:45.42 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | 99.89% already? |
| 04:45.43 | luckymarciano | debian is dead |
| 04:45.45 | nvz | I need an ipod I am using a shitty mp3cd player |
| 04:45.55 | mwilson | I have one of those. |
| 04:45.59 | rob^ | haha |
| 04:45.59 | karsten | caphuso: Or as they ask in San Francisco, what's the velocity of an unswallowed laden. |
| 04:46.00 | peterS | luckymarciano: no, you're thinking of debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 04:46.29 | peterS | VobiscuM: don't do that |
| 04:46.35 | karsten | VobiscuM: Trun that off. |
| 04:46.37 | peterS | VobiscuM: disable your auto-away notification thing |
| 04:46.47 | nvz | mines exibiting all sorts of bad behavior I think the lens may be damaged as I don't see the other combination of componants that could be causing the problems is likely |
| 04:47.11 | rob^ | mine does the job |
| 04:47.15 | VobiscuM | pepperpot, sorry |
| 04:47.18 | VobiscuM | ops |
| 04:47.20 | nvz | I have/had a nomad jukebox.. it sucked |
| 04:47.24 | Uberjohn | what's it doing, or not doing? |
| 04:47.24 | VobiscuM | peterS, rorry |
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| 04:47.32 | nvz | the ipods rock |
| 04:47.35 | rob^ | nvz, yeah? |
| 04:47.46 | mwilson | I just play CD's when I'm at home or work, but the ipod is nice when I'm on the bus. |
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| 04:47.53 | Uberjohn | Creative Zens are nice, so is the Dell DJ Jukebox |
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| 04:48.42 | nvz | the only thing that I didnt like on the ipod was internal battery. but my friend tells me its not a problem |
| 04:49.01 | nvz | seems to charge right off the usb port |
| 04:49.15 | toukitsune | How do I tell what version of packages are available for stalbe. testing, and unstable? |
| 04:49.17 | rob^ | until the battery dies |
| 04:49.22 | llama32[brb] | "llama32 :The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change (##linux)" ?? |
| 04:49.23 | nvz | I guess they are easily replacable |
| 04:49.29 | mwilson | toukitsune: packages.debian.org |
| 04:49.49 | nvz | he says its not a problem.. I'd think it would not only be a pita, but cost a lot more than regular rechargables |
| 04:49.55 | nvz | removable ones |
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| 04:50.07 | relex | hello; how can i make sure if i'm running xfree or x.org? |
| 04:50.16 | nvz | relex: are you using debian? |
| 04:50.16 | mwilson | relex: You're running XFree. |
| 04:50.22 | relex | i just compiled x.org |
| 04:50.26 | mwilson | Why? |
| 04:50.26 | relex | but i still have xfree on my system |
| 04:50.30 | relex | i need to know which is running |
| 04:50.39 | XeRNiLuM | relex X -version |
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| 04:50.50 | mwilson | If you don't even know how to control which you launch, you have no business doing it. |
| 04:50.51 | gravity__ | relex: You could just check /var/log/xorg or whatever |
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| 04:51.08 | relex | strange |
| 04:51.10 | HoFFY | OMG GENTOO IS HURR TO SAVE TEH DAY!~ |
| 04:51.11 | HoFFY | OMG GENTOO IS HURR TO SAVE TEH DAY!~ |
| 04:51.12 | relex | how do i uninstall xfree? |
| 04:51.17 | peterS | !ops HoFFY |
| 04:51.17 | nvz | heh |
| 04:51.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: HoFFY |
| 04:51.21 | mwilson | You don't. |
| 04:51.22 | relex | what package do i remove? |
| 04:51.24 | relex | oh |
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| 04:51.29 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | i have a question, i have 64bit hardware and im neew to linux, i know in the 64bit version of windows theres few working apps. my question is should i get the 32bit version or 64 for debain? if it helps/matters im using a AMD Athlon64 3000+ w/ the nForce3 250Gb. sticking w/ 32bit seems like a good idea to keep the problems to a min but id like your colective oppions if you dont mind |
| 04:51.30 | stew | relex: x-window-system |
| 04:51.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 04:51.35 | peterS | thanks, caphuso |
| 04:51.46 | mwilson | stew: What's that supposed to do? |
| 04:52.08 | peterS | SPEEDing|V\oNK: 64-bit debian is reported to work just fine |
| 04:52.21 | nvz | !+info x-window-system |
| 04:52.26 | dpkg | x-window-system: (X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12 (sid), Packaged size: 151 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 04:52.27 | nvz | heh |
| 04:52.28 | peterS | SPEEDing|V\oNK: the thing about debian, most apps you'll want to use are *already* distributed with debian, so most people are not very dependent on third-party apps |
| 04:52.29 | stew | mwilson: thats supposed to be the package he removes to uninstall xfree |
| 04:52.53 | nvz | doesnt even say there that its a _metapackage_ |
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| 04:53.31 | peterS | nvz: Architecture: all and Installed-Size: 240 should be a bit of a hint (: |
| 04:53.31 | cat | hey how can i download aterm from stable? |
| 04:53.34 | cat | i forgot the command |
| 04:54.01 | nvz | peterS: I didn't need a hint, but you think thats obvious to stew or relex ? |
| 04:54.05 | relex | even when i uninstalled x-window-system the xfree server still starts; even when using the xorg startx script |
| 04:54.06 | peterS | nvz: point |
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| 04:54.29 | peterS | relex: right, x-window-system is just a dummy package that pulls in a bunch of dependencies so you'll get a working X window system |
| 04:54.35 | peterS | relex: it doesn't do anything on its own |
| 04:54.45 | cat | can someone tell me ? plz to download a package with stable ? i have sid |
| 04:54.45 | relex | ah; so how do i actually remove xfree? |
| 04:54.47 | caphuso | # apt-cache show x-window-system | grep meta |
| 04:54.48 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.48 | gravity__ | relex: There's instructions on setting it all up in either X.org's wiki or the freedesktop wiki. You'll have to check |
| 04:54.53 | stew | relex: xserver-xfree86, sorry |
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| 04:54.57 | gravity__ | relex: You don't need to remove XFree to run X.org. |
| 04:55.10 | relex | gravity__, xorg keeps running my xfree binary |
| 04:55.18 | relex | even when explicitly told not to |
| 04:55.22 | gravity__ | relex: You set it up wrong |
| 04:55.34 | nvz | relex: did you grok anything he just said to you? :P |
| 04:55.39 | peterS | relex: maybe 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common'? |
| 04:55.53 | travisat | cat: go to package.debian.org, find the stable package you want, download, dpkg -i foo.deb, apt-get -f install if dependencies aren't met or download the right ones from packages.debian.org |
| 04:55.56 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | peterS, is there anything i should know/do in regard to the 64bit version? ie should i compile the kernel before i install the nvidia drivers? |
| 04:56.20 | peterS | SPEEDing|V\oNK: I don't know anything about third-party nvidia drivers + 64-bit kernel. I don't know if that's even supported, although I gather it is |
| 04:56.50 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | humm ok thx for the help peters |
| 04:57.00 | nvz | thats peterS |
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| 04:57.02 | nvz | to you |
| 04:57.07 | peterS | heh |
| 04:57.24 | peterS | I haven't installed a case-sensitive nick highlight yet, so it's ok |
| 04:57.36 | peterS | although I've thought about it, for things like people discussing scott peterSon |
| 04:57.46 | travisaT | hah you aren't the only one with the capital last letter |
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| 04:58.00 | caphuso | "salpetersäure" is a nice german word |
| 04:58.01 | peterS | travisaT: yeah. in fact I have a patent pending on that, we'll have to talk royalties one of these days |
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| 04:58.47 | peterS | caphuso: what does it mean? I'm not familiar with 'säure' in particular |
| 04:58.50 | travisaT | cadbury copyrighted purple so I guess you just might have one |
| 04:59.00 | caphuso | peterS: nitric acid, IIRC |
| 04:59.06 | peterS | cool |
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| 04:59.44 | gravity__ | relex: Did you read the BUILD file in your x.org source tree download? |
| 05:00.01 | gravity__ | relex: It's got specific instructions on installing to the place you want using DESTDIR |
| 05:00.02 | llama32 | anyone here speak german? whats a wasserpfiefe? |
| 05:00.08 | Shin_Kuan | hello! i need help with my evil debian distro! |
| 05:00.14 | gravity__ | Ugh |
| 05:00.16 | nvz | caphuso: yep |
| 05:00.16 | gravity__ | So much for that |
| 05:00.19 | peterS | llama32: http://dict.leo.org |
| 05:00.20 | caphuso | llama32: a typo. should be "Wasserpfeife" |
| 05:00.33 | travisaT | so whats it mean |
| 05:00.34 | caphuso | and it means "hookah" |
| 05:00.38 | nvz | for some reason I cannot paste into text areas in links2 -g |
| 05:01.00 | travisaT | links2 suck imo |
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| 05:01.35 | nvz | bleh |
| 05:01.39 | llama32 | stupid internet dictionaries, i was trying to work out what bong is in german, and one said wasserpfiefe, apparently not... wtf does hookah mean? |
| 05:01.46 | travisaT | use elinks, or links-hacked |
| 05:02.05 | travisaT | !dict hookah |
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| 05:02.12 | dpkg | could not find definition for hookah |
| 05:02.13 | caphuso | llama32: it means "bong" ;-) |
| 05:02.19 | travisaT | guess dpkg don't do that |
| 05:02.21 | nvz | travisaT: they are for X, and do images, javascript, frames..etc? |
| 05:02.34 | nvz | travisaT: and in debian sarge? |
| 05:02.42 | travisaT | nvz: links2 really isn't for x |
| 05:02.49 | Shin_Kuan | some body who can help me to do a good debian install? |
| 05:02.55 | cat | !dict indeed |
| 05:02.56 | dpkg | could not find definition for indeed |
| 05:03.02 | llama32 | caphuso: really? yay, i was right and my friend who said it was something to do with plumbing was wrong! |
| 05:03.04 | cat | !dict gay |
| 05:03.06 | dpkg | Dictionary 'gay' (5 of 8): 2. Brilliant in colors; splendid; fine; richly dressed. ;; Belinda smiled, and all the world was gay. --Pope. ;; Gay hope is theirs by fancy fed. --Gray. ;; Why is my neighbor's wife so gay? --Chaucer. ;; 3. Loose; dissipated; lewd. [Colloq.]. |
| 05:03.12 | travisaT | nvz: I don't think links-hacked is in debian, but I think elinks is |
| 05:03.55 | nvz | travisaT: it can be and thats where I am using it "links2 -g google.com" in my xsession and its matche by sawfish, which places it in workspace 2 640x480@0,0 ignored, skipped, with enter-exit focus at -4 depth. |
| 05:04.15 | travisaT | nvz: for small x browser just use dillo |
| 05:04.33 | nvz | travisaT: I leave it running all the time.. it uses very little memory, its easy to get to, has 0 chrome, which is a plus at 640x480 |
| 05:05.09 | Uberjohn | y you running such a low res |
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| 05:05.31 | travisaT | nvz: I guess, although I just have a perl script for google, google blah blah, opens up google at blah blah for search terms in firefox or dillo depending on machine |
| 05:06.13 | nvz | travisaT: google is just my start page, its what I use most frequently |
| 05:06.22 | nvz | travisaT: since it does do virtually everything |
| 05:06.48 | travisaT | nvz: ahh I just type in firefox foo.html for websites I want to go to, I don't use a start page |
| 05:06.52 | Uberjohn | nvz, why you running such a low resolution? |
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| 05:07.24 | travisaT | Uberjohn: why do you care? |
| 05:07.31 | bebe | how do i reconfigure a package? |
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| 05:07.51 | Uberjohn | it just a question |
| 05:07.54 | nvz | Uberjohn: shitty 14" monitor it wont even do 640x480 in X with the factory hsync/vrefresh |
| 05:07.55 | travisat | bebe: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
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| 05:08.20 | zorpit | is /etc/dhcpcd/dhcpcd.eth?.info a dynamically created file, or is it something I'm supposed to hand-create? |
| 05:08.29 | Uberjohn | travisat, why are you asking me if I care? |
| 05:08.35 | nvz | I used the "14 inch" setting in debconf, and it works at 640x480 |
| 05:08.40 | travisat | Uberjohn: you seemed rather overly interested |
| 05:08.43 | bebe | travisat: ta |
| 05:09.03 | Uberjohn | no, i just asked it a second time b/c I figured he didn't read it |
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| 05:09.19 | Uberjohn | since I didn't direct it to him |
| 05:09.21 | travisat | Uberjohn: geeze, I was just asking a question to |
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| 05:10.20 | nvz | travisat: dillo doesnt even compare to links2 |
| 05:10.45 | travisat | nvz: in terms of features I agree, but I think it looks better |
| 05:11.06 | hulo_ | does it handle javascript? |
| 05:11.18 | nvz | links2 has booksmarks editor, find features--etc |
| 05:11.23 | hulo_ | can i use it to configure a router via a remote shell? |
| 05:11.23 | nvz | way more featureful |
| 05:11.42 | nvz | I use it to configure our modem/router/ap |
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| 05:11.54 | travisat | hulo_: links2 will, I doubt dillo will |
| 05:12.12 | hulo_ | damn i was looking for something like that. running mozilla over an ssh tunnel really sucks for doing that |
| 05:12.22 | travisat | hulo_: try it, I haven't |
| 05:12.31 | Uberjohn | what's a good deb mirror for sarge to use to downlaod and has a good amount of the packages on it |
| 05:12.33 | hulo_ | the router uses javascript |
| 05:12.41 | travisat | Uberjohn: ftp.debian.org |
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| 05:12.48 | Uberjohn | too slow |
| 05:12.52 | nvz | maybe not.. it loggs in, but the man page doesnt come up in the right frame, this modem uses asp.. heh |
| 05:12.53 | travisat | apt-setup |
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| 05:13.05 | llama32 | GRRRRRRR anyone know of an msn client that _*WORKS*_? |
| 05:13.09 | travisat | apt-spy |
| 05:13.17 | hulo_ | or ftp.<country code>.debian.org |
| 05:13.23 | nvz | s/man/main/ |
| 05:13.46 | nvz | llama32: msn messanger? |
| 05:13.47 | Random832 | llama32: which one have you been using that you think doesn't work? |
| 05:13.55 | llama32 | amsn |
| 05:13.59 | Random832 | tried gaim? |
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| 05:14.16 | travisat | hulo_: nope dillo won't work |
| 05:14.29 | llama32 | amsn takes maybe 3 minutes to start sometimes and plays any sounds several minutes late... |
| 05:14.31 | nvz | llama32: I like bitlbee, because I am an irc junkie.. and bitlbee acts as a gateway between your irc client and AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo..etc |
| 05:14.35 | hulo_ | centericq rocks as a multiple protocol im client |
| 05:14.46 | nvz | eww play sounds.. gawd |
| 05:15.01 | Random832 | can the mechanism by which it plays sounds be configured? |
| 05:15.02 | nvz | only thing worse than that is animated user icons |
| 05:15.27 | travisat | I think icons should be banned from the world of computers |
| 05:15.33 | Random832 | nvz: it's considered normal for IM clients to play a sound with each incoming message |
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| 05:16.06 | hulo_ | centericq runs in a terminal and handles like 5 different IM protocols |
| 05:16.15 | mxldr_ | hey- sarge seems to ship with gcc 3.something. i just did an apt-get install gcc-2.95. how do i now run gcc2.95? |
| 05:16.15 | llama32 | Random832: it can either use the play command or some internal thing - with play it takes AGES and im not sure with the other one (havent been able to get it to work at all lately to be able to test sound) |
| 05:16.53 | hulo_ | mxldr: CC=gcc-<version> <command> |
| 05:17.00 | mxldr_ | d'oh! |
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| 05:17.02 | toukitsune | question. If your running debian testing for just sarge and sarge becomes stable can you switch to stable or would that mess things up? |
| 05:17.03 | mxldr_ | thanks hulo |
| 05:17.32 | travisat | toukitsune: just use sarge instead of testing in your sources.list |
| 05:17.35 | rob^ | toukitsune, what? |
| 05:17.54 | travisat | toukitsune: it will make the switch for you |
| 05:18.00 | Random832 | travisat: why not just type in "sarge"? |
| 05:18.03 | toukitsune | oh in the APT list I can state Sarge instaid of Testing? |
| 05:18.08 | Random832 | travisat: not if he has "testing" specified in sources.list |
| 05:18.10 | Random832 | toukitsune: yes |
| 05:18.18 | toukitsune | I did not know that. thank you |
| 05:18.26 | travisat | Random832: thats why I said switch the testing to sarge in the source.list..... |
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| 05:18.44 | Random832 | travisat: oh - i'm not fully awake so i didn't see that line , sorry |
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| 05:20.08 | deucehaus | how much cpu should i be using to play a dvd with the xv driver on an athlon64 3000? |
| 05:20.10 | mxldr_ | hey- what is a RET address? |
| 05:20.18 | mwilson | deucehaus: As much as is required. |
| 05:21.22 | deucehaus | mwilson: it's using about 30-40%, which seems high |
| 05:21.31 | travisat | deucehaus: thats probably normal |
| 05:21.53 | travisat | mine uses a lot more than that, but it is slower than your maching |
| 05:22.18 | mwilson | Seems high? What is your standard of comparison? |
| 05:22.24 | hulo_ | damn links2 -g doesn't cut it with the router |
| 05:22.37 | deucehaus | travisat: ok... i guess i was just under the impression that xv would be a lot better than the standard x11 |
| 05:22.43 | Random832 | are there any console aim clients that support the oscar protocol? |
| 05:22.54 | mwilson | Did you compare it to "the standard X11"? |
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| 05:23.02 | hulo_ | Random832: centericq supports aim |
| 05:23.15 | Random832 | hulo_: it uses the toc protocol |
| 05:23.23 | hulo_ | oh |
| 05:23.29 | mxldr_ | what is a RET ADDRESS? |
| 05:23.47 | travisat | mxldr_: google? I dunno |
| 05:23.47 | mxldr_ | like (0x41414141)? |
| 05:23.59 | mxldr_ | [hostname] [ret address in hex (0x41414141)] |
| 05:23.59 | mxldr_ | [port] |
| 05:24.09 | Random832 | where are you seeing this mxldr_ |
| 05:24.22 | mxldr_ | in this program |
| 05:24.31 | travisat | thats specific |
| 05:24.44 | Random832 | in what program |
| 05:25.04 | caphuso | Random832: does gaim do oscar? |
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| 05:25.51 | barbari | how i can start command to start "Scroll Lock" For one sec ? |
| 05:25.51 | deucehaus | mwilson: i thought x11 was about 10% higher, but i just tried it and it's about twice... so xv is looking pretty good |
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| 05:26.42 | llama32 | hulo_: is centericq console? :| im apt-getting it right now so i hope not :) |
| 05:27.06 | llama32 | crap it is |
| 05:27.19 | llama32 | mehh |
| 05:27.46 | Guerin | just use irssi as your im client |
| 05:27.49 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:27.54 | Guerin | but you probably use xcrap |
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| 05:28.08 | barbari | i want run command to start "Scroll bar" Led for one sec... |
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| 05:28.19 | markybob | i want to deploy a helpdesk site at work ...anyone have any suggestions on which to use? i cant seem to find any decent ones |
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| 05:29.51 | Random832 | caphuso: gaim isn't console |
| 05:30.08 | hulo_ | llama32: why hope not? console is good :) |
| 05:30.09 | Random832 | but yes it does |
| 05:30.14 | Random832 | llama32: try using aim |
| 05:30.27 | caphuso | Random832: good. use bitlbee plus your favourite console irc client |
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| 05:30.45 | Random832 | that sounds awkward |
| 05:30.51 | caphuso | it's not |
| 05:31.08 | Sabotage | anyone know if i'm missing a kernel option that's causing /sys to be empty? |
| 05:31.41 | caphuso | Sabotage: are you running a 2.4 kernel? or did you forget to mount sysfs? |
| 05:31.53 | Random832 | llama32: gaim, i meant |
| 05:32.02 | Random832 | it's 12:30 i should go to bed |
| 05:32.27 | llama32 | hulo_: i would of wanted a console msn client back on my 200mhz shitbox, but now i have plenty of CPU and no use... |
| 05:32.32 | Sabotage | no i'm running 2.6, i guess i'll look up about sysf thanks |
| 05:32.38 | llama32 | ill apt-get gaim then... i tried it on knoppix and didnt like it much tho |
| 05:33.21 | hulo_ | llama32: i don't see the connection. i prefer terminal for some things because frankly graphical stuff is totally superfluous. text chat is definitely one of them |
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| 05:33.47 | adexta | hello again guys |
| 05:33.55 | adexta | i've got more problems with debian |
| 05:33.57 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.58 | adexta | it's hanging on boot |
| 05:34.09 | adexta | Guerin: irssi devotee? |
| 05:34.26 | Guerin | adexta: the right tool for the job |
| 05:34.31 | caphuso | Guerin: ms comic chat! |
| 05:34.32 | adexta | me too |
| 05:34.36 | hulo_ | i use xchat because i haven't the time to learn all the keyboard shortcuts for ircII |
| 05:34.42 | Guerin | bitlbee owns all |
| 05:35.00 | hulo_ | plus i have some rooms that i want sound notification on |
| 05:35.01 | Guerin | caphuso: is there any job for which that is the right tool? |
| 05:35.08 | Guerin | hulo_: easily done in irssi |
| 05:35.17 | caphuso | Guerin: no respectable job |
| 05:35.21 | adexta | okay, i hang on the boot message "usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2" |
| 05:35.29 | adexta | and then it just has a blinking little underscore |
| 05:35.39 | Guerin | adexta: try booting with acpi=off |
| 05:35.50 | adexta | how? |
| 05:36.07 | Guerin | adexta: add acpi=off to the end of your kernel param line |
| 05:36.09 | hulo_ | i used bitchx for a while but was really annoyed with the part messages, and it was a pain to remove those and the stupid splash screen |
| 05:36.17 | adexta | where's the kernel param line? |
| 05:36.28 | Guerin | adexta: depends whether you use grub or lilo |
| 05:36.33 | adexta | grub |
| 05:36.53 | Guerin | adexta: it's a line beginning with 'kernel' |
| 05:37.06 | adexta | okay then |
| 05:37.18 | adexta | it was working fine before i took off the cover and installed a new harddrive |
| 05:37.27 | travisat | hulo_: so....irssi doesn't do that |
| 05:38.06 | adexta | i haven't bumped anything loose, and i know i didn't put anything back in the wrong place |
| 05:38.26 | hulo_ | too bad it doesn't have a sample conf file in /usr/share/doc that would help getting it started and customized |
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| 05:38.42 | adexta | hulo_: read the online doc |
| 05:38.43 | travisat | hulo_: read the start-up at www.irssi.org |
| 05:39.03 | paster | Someone at 209.102.132.200 pasted "/etc/dhcpd.conf line 41: no op" (2 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/374 |
| 05:39.04 | travisat | hulo_: and you really don't ever have to edit any confs with irssi |
| 05:39.05 | hulo_ | i see the startup-HOWTO there... |
| 05:39.26 | travisat | hulo_: get it how you want it the do /save profile |
| 05:39.38 | Uberjohn | why would that be what I get when I run dchpd |
| 05:39.46 | Uberjohn | when that option is in the example config |
| 05:40.02 | Guerin | !nonsense Uberjohn |
| 05:40.03 | dpkg | Uberjohn: How have did the kernel cache to auto discovered the wifi thing !!!???? |
| 05:40.04 | hulo_ | travisat: i see. thanks. i will try |
| 05:40.16 | adexta | Guerin: will acpi=off disable useful stuff? |
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| 05:40.26 | Guerin | adexta: if you consider acpi useful |
| 05:40.40 | adexta | okay |
| 05:40.44 | adexta | i'll give that a try |
| 05:40.56 | adexta | i've been apt-getting a bunch of packages, like sambaconf |
| 05:40.59 | Guerin | adexta: mostly it's just something to try; if it works without acpi, you might consider swapping the load order of acpi and usb kernel modules, etc. |
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| 05:41.18 | paster | "Uberjohn" at 209.102.132.200 pasted "Why am I getting this error when I run dchpd, even though they show that option in the example conf file?" (2 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/375 |
| 05:41.20 | adexta | i don't use usb |
| 05:41.37 | Guerin | i do know that acpi interferes with usb on many laptops, including mine. |
| 05:41.51 | adexta | i have a 7 year old desktop PC |
| 05:42.01 | adexta | it's my main desktop, so i want it to actually work |
| 05:42.08 | Guerin | fair play |
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| 05:43.36 | hulo_ | Uberjohn: option domain-name-servers |
| 05:43.39 | llama32 | thanks whoever said about centericq (was it hulo_?) it rules! |
| 05:43.51 | hulo_ | llama32: you're welcome |
| 05:43.58 | tag | I have a really difficult problem |
| 05:44.13 | tag | I was doing a dist-upgrade when the battery died on my laptop |
| 05:44.18 | adexta | okay |
| 05:44.21 | adexta | it got past the hang |
| 05:44.25 | adexta | thanks Guerin |
| 05:44.29 | tag | alot of stuff ended up getting unlinked when fsck ran through after I restarte |
| 05:44.33 | tag | restarted |
| 05:44.46 | Uberjohn | hulo_, this is what in the exapmle conf -> # option name-servers bb.home.vix.com, gw.home.vix.com; |
| 05:44.58 | hulo_ | Uberjohn: so screw the example conf |
| 05:45.06 | adexta | i'm actually a noob who thought he could handle debian because suse worked fine |
| 05:45.15 | Guerin | adexta: ok. If you want acpi and not usb, you might blacklist the usb modules and reinstate acpi |
| 05:45.24 | adexta | but suse "just work[ed]" for me |
| 05:45.25 | tag | So how do I fix everything |
| 05:45.26 | hulo_ | Uberjohn: and i think there are more than one example, or its in the man page |
| 05:45.27 | tag | hehe |
| 05:45.29 | Guerin | i don't think there's a kernel switch for usb=off |
| 05:45.35 | adexta | i don't even know what the hell acpi is |
| 05:45.43 | Guerin | power management |
| 05:45.57 | adexta | don't need it |
| 05:46.06 | Guerin | no problem, then |
| 05:46.08 | adexta | i haven't used USB since last november |
| 05:46.21 | Uberjohn | should I use bind8 or 9? |
| 05:46.30 | adexta | and that was to get porn off a USB key |
| 05:46.31 | hulo_ | 9 |
| 05:46.47 | adexta | well, thank you, Guerin |
| 05:46.48 | adexta | twice |
| 05:46.49 | Guerin | i bought a usb key the other day |
| 05:46.56 | adexta | how many MB? |
| 05:46.57 | Guerin | still no idea what I'll use it for |
| 05:47.00 | Guerin | 512 |
| 05:47.07 | Guerin | about US$50 |
| 05:47.10 | adexta | Guerin_karma++ |
| 05:47.17 | adexta | that's pretty good |
| 05:47.22 | Guerin | couldn't really pass it up at that price |
| 05:47.27 | adexta | put a live distro on it |
| 05:47.29 | Guerin | got a 512 cf card for about the same |
| 05:48.06 | Guerin | will most modern machines boot off a usb key? what about old machines? |
| 05:48.18 | Guerin | since I own practically no hardware from the third millennium |
| 05:48.49 | briareus | nor do i Guerin |
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| 05:49.58 | Guerin | the amount of computing power required to listen to music, surf the web and serve files haven't changed wildly since 1995 |
| 05:50.14 | Guerin | unless you use windows xp |
| 05:50.47 | briareus | Guerin> probably why the fastest computer i have is a 1200MHz athlon and since i run only linux i seem well served |
| 05:50.53 | Guerin | heh |
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| 05:51.17 | staniel | and I thought using a 4 year old computer was slow :| |
| 05:51.19 | briareus | this 850 p3 lappy and the p2 233 lappy next to it all run linux |
| 05:51.52 | briareus | the lappy right <--there is a thinkpad 390 running a dualboot debian/mandrake that share /home |
| 05:51.55 | staniel | SPEEDing|V\oNK: I got you beat - im develop shit in vb |
| 05:51.58 | Guerin | i've got a p2-233 laptop which is my mainstay, and a p3-733 box which plays media, serves files, and which my wife uses for office documents etc. |
| 05:52.18 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | staniel, ha |
| 05:52.39 | staniel | oh, and cobol... |
| 05:52.40 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | you can run windows off of 40meg |
| 05:52.43 | staniel | should I run and hide |
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| 05:53.14 | shingouz | SPEEDing|V\oNK: i already ran windows off my computer altogether |
| 05:53.21 | Uberjohn | 40meg of what? |
| 05:53.27 | shingouz | s/computer/computers |
| 05:53.48 | staniel | the onyl windows comp I own is my laptop, for work reasons |
| 05:53.51 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | windows != slow, windows in its defualt config = slow, ram |
| 05:53.55 | staniel | my desktop and server are bouth debian :D |
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| 05:54.09 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | 40meg of ram, you can run MS w/ out RPC aswell |
| 05:54.14 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:54.19 | Guerin | you can run windows in 16mb |
| 05:54.21 | Uberjohn | what version of windows? 95 maybe |
| 05:54.26 | Guerin | 95, that is |
| 05:54.37 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | 40meg for NT5 |
| 05:54.39 | Guerin | 98 does fine in 32 |
| 05:54.49 | staniel | 98 does ok in 16 as well |
| 05:55.05 | Guerin | i tried to run xp in 64 once, that was a mistake |
| 05:55.18 | staniel | why would you run xp in the first place? |
| 05:55.26 | holycow | gnome 2.8 does fine on 64 megs ram |
| 05:55.28 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | you have to configure the OS pretty well to do so |
| 05:55.29 | Uberjohn | I run XP |
| 05:55.54 | briareus | no more gnome for slackware |
| 05:56.05 | holycow | no stock gnome that comes with debian |
| 05:56.07 | holycow | no special config |
| 05:56.13 | holycow | try it, it's quite remarkable |
| 05:56.16 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | NT5 = 2k/XP/2k3 |
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| 05:56.34 | Gokee2 | Hey all I am having a problem with apt-get severl debs are stuck and this is freezing up the who apt-get system so I can not apt-get the dependincy the ones that failed need to install... I am going in circles... any help? |
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| 05:58.01 | Guerin | Gokee2: define 'stuck' |
| 05:58.06 | dna_ | Does anyone know where to get a free audio of the play Hamlet? |
| 05:58.14 | Guerin | dna_: google knows |
| 05:58.21 | luulis | Gokee2: you use unstable? |
| 05:58.24 | Guerin | dna_: potentially something on archive.org |
| 05:58.42 | Gokee2 | Guerin, Anytime I say apt-get install or apt-get remove it says unmet dependernces for so and so halted |
| 05:58.55 | maher | dna_: get a microphone and talk for 4 hours... |
| 05:58.55 | Guerin | Gokee2: apt-get -f install; |
| 05:59.00 | Gokee2 | All past the output with pastbot if you want |
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| 05:59.06 | luulis | !sid |
| 05:59.06 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 05:59.17 | Gokee2 | Guerin, Done that no luck |
| 05:59.25 | Guerin | Gokee2: luck has nothing to do with it |
| 05:59.44 | Guerin | Gokee2: give me the output of apt-get -f install; on paster |
| 05:59.45 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | haha dpkg |
| 06:00.00 | dna_ | maher, my alsa is not working so it will not record it :( |
| 06:00.01 | Gokee2 | ok |
| 06:00.11 | Gokee2 | dpkg, pastebot |
| 06:00.20 | Guerin | !paste |
| 06:00.21 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 06:00.29 | Gokee2 | thanks |
| 06:00.36 | maher | dna_: project gutenberg + festival? |
| 06:00.51 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:01.10 | Guerin | i've seen/heard some bad productions of hamlet, but that would have to be the worst |
| 06:01.38 | paster | Someone at 24.113.12.97 pasted "Apt-get install -f" (35 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/376 |
| 06:01.58 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | wasnt me |
| 06:02.21 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | thx for the help guys |
| 06:02.38 | Gokee2 | hmm forgot a nick on that past |
| 06:02.40 | Gokee2 | :( |
| 06:02.49 | Gokee2 | O well there is it Guerin :) |
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| 06:03.30 | Guerin | Gokee2: why are you a) using non-debian packages b) using sid d) both ? |
| 06:03.44 | Gokee2 | What? |
| 06:03.55 | Guerin | none of the above? |
| 06:03.57 | dna_ | seems like there is nothing out there |
| 06:04.02 | Gokee2 | I am using debain packages I think.. What is sid? |
| 06:04.06 | dna_ | everyone wnats money for words recorded on what hamlet wrote |
| 06:04.34 | Guerin | dna_: recording is Hard Work. Recording shakespeare with decent actors is Really Hard Work. |
| 06:04.38 | dna_ | any have a good idea on what to search for in google? |
| 06:04.40 | caphuso | echo -n Hello ;-) |
| 06:04.43 | sh0rt | dna_: maybe try the local library |
| 06:04.46 | caphuso | argh |
| 06:05.00 | Guerin | Gokee2: sid is debian unstable |
| 06:05.14 | Gokee2 | O I am using unstable |
| 06:05.15 | Guerin | Gokee2: anyway, to fix your problem, look at dpkg --force-help |
| 06:05.21 | Gokee2 | For nvidia |
| 06:05.30 | Guerin | Gokee2: why? You're clearly not a developer, tester or competent user. |
| 06:06.11 | dna_ | Weather Underground: Hamlet, North Carolina Forecast |
| 06:06.14 | dna_ | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 06:06.17 | Gokee2 | Guerin, Thanks for my nice rating |
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| 06:07.48 | briareus | hamlet chicken plant disaster |
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| 06:10.11 | angel12 | i just installed a copy of sarge rc 2 that i have lying around the house, and i was wondering how do i change the apt sources from the cd to a http source, and then a site that i can search to find what programs are available through apt |
| 06:10.58 | BadMan | wtf is that about free porno videos.... |
| 06:11.14 | dna_ | Hamlet, NC Chicken Plant Fire Kills 25 |
| 06:11.26 | dna_ | briareus, did yuo light it on fire? |
| 06:11.27 | briareus | yep, that chicken plant disaster |
| 06:11.27 | dna_ | hahaha |
| 06:11.31 | Guerin | BadMan: who? |
| 06:11.38 | brlancer | I'm looking for a dpkg'd copy of lame.h - I see emails on debian lists that it once existed, but I can't find it in snapshots or in any current package |
| 06:11.43 | BadMan | Socket: |
| 06:11.47 | BadMan | [Socket] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 06:11.55 | Guerin | BadMan: type !ops socket is a porn spammer |
| 06:12.05 | BadMan | !ops Socket is a porn spammer |
| 06:12.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Socket is a porn spammer |
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| 06:12.15 | BadMan | kewl |
| 06:12.16 | BadMan | thanks |
| 06:12.21 | briareus | that story is a shame, and immortalized in the song "Hamlet Chicken Plant Disaster" from Mojo Nixon and Jello Biafra off the excellent album by The Toadliquors |
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| 06:12.23 | Uberjohn | .:# angel12 #:. you need to edit your sources.list |
| 06:12.33 | angel12 | i just installed a copy of sarge rc 2 that i have lying around the house, and i was wondering how do i change the apt sources from the cd to a http source, and then a site that i can search to find what programs are available through apt |
| 06:12.45 | briareus | yeah angel we saw it first time |
| 06:12.47 | Guerin | angel12: you need to repeat more often |
| 06:12.55 | Uberjohn | .:# angel12 #:. second, use apt-cache search <package> |
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| 06:13.13 | hulo_ | what's the syntax for irssi to connect to a host with a password? /connect <host> <pass> ? seems not to work? |
| 06:13.16 | Guerin | angel12: at least twice per minute, otherwise nobody will notice; we all have severe brain damage and almost nonexistent short-term memories |
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| 06:13.33 | sh0rt | angel12: maybe reading the apt howto might help |
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| 06:13.51 | angel12 | Uberjohn: what do i need to put into my sources.list and where is it located |
| 06:14.12 | maher | angel12: try apt-setup |
| 06:14.36 | Uberjohn | what maher said |
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| 06:16.35 | bltzfsck | when I try to use realplayer or rhythmbox, i get the message that /dev/dsp is in use by another program, but it doesn't seem to be |
| 06:16.35 | BadMan | huliganz: /server hostip password thepass |
| 06:16.36 | BadMan | ? |
| 06:16.54 | bltzfsck | how can i figure out what's using the audio device? |
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| 06:17.13 | hulo_ | lsof | grep dsp |
| 06:17.35 | caphuso | bltzfsck: fuser -l /dev/dsp or lsof /dev/dsp |
| 06:17.51 | caphuso | err, fuser -v |
| 06:18.23 | BadMan | hulo_: /server hostip password thepass? |
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| 06:18.41 | mute1 | Greets all. |
| 06:18.55 | bltzfsck | lsof lists something called esd |
| 06:19.06 | hulo_ | BadMan: nope |
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| 06:19.18 | hulo_ | bltzfsck: enlightened sound daemon |
| 06:19.24 | mute1 | I'm new to Linux as I'm trying to get away from M$ an I'm havin trouble with X. |
| 06:19.27 | bltzfsck | do i need it? |
| 06:19.29 | caphuso | god's punishment for using gnome |
| 06:19.37 | hulo_ | bltzfsck: i never use it |
| 06:19.39 | bltzfsck | he has more than one |
| 06:19.42 | caphuso | well, the punishment beside getting gnome |
| 06:19.52 | hulo_ | bltzfsck: killall esd |
| 06:19.54 | BadMan | mute1: ask your questions omeone will help maybe |
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| 06:19.59 | bltzfsck | is esd part of enlightenment? |
| 06:20.05 | mute1 | THX |
| 06:20.11 | hulo_ | bltzfsck: no relation whatsoever |
| 06:20.15 | bltzfsck | i picked that up the other day just for laffs |
| 06:20.22 | bltzfsck | very few of those... |
| 06:20.32 | bltzfsck | so what does it do? |
| 06:20.49 | bltzfsck | esd, that is |
| 06:20.54 | mute1 | I'm running an Nivida Geforce 4 card and am having trouble, when I try to start X the screen flickers for a few seconds |
| 06:20.57 | hulo_ | bltzfsck: i think some apps require the esdlib for sound |
| 06:21.02 | mute1 | then comes back to console |
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| 06:21.14 | bltzfsck | well, i'll give it a shot |
| 06:21.16 | bltzfsck | thx |
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| 06:21.27 | lmr | HI guys |
| 06:21.30 | hulo_ | bltzfsck: many things require the lib. apt-cache showpkd libesd0 |
| 06:21.32 | mute1 | LSPCI shows a standard VGA card. |
| 06:21.46 | hulo_ | apt-cache showpkg |
| 06:21.50 | mute1 | at 01:05:0 |
| 06:21.51 | lmr | where can I find nasm for debian |
| 06:21.58 | bltzfsck | but lib and daemon arenot the same thing, are they? |
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| 06:22.10 | peterS | lmr: it's included. apt-get install nasm |
| 06:22.10 | sh0rt | mute1: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:22.21 | hulo_ | bltzfsck: no. i never run the daemon personally |
| 06:22.24 | lmr | no not in my debian box |
| 06:22.27 | BadMan | he likely needs to change kernel to the nvidia kernel I had to |
| 06:22.46 | mute1 | THx did that but card not listed in the standard driver for Woody. |
| 06:22.50 | hulo_ | bltzfsck: nor do i run the kde artsd either. i just have apps play stuff directly |
| 06:22.53 | lmr | Ummm. peterS let me check |
| 06:22.53 | Gokee2 | I don`t see how "dpkg forcing helps anything |
| 06:22.55 | Gokee2 | ? |
| 06:23.01 | BadMan | ahh wooody? |
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| 06:23.19 | Guerin | Gokee2: the packages won't install becaus a certain file in one package is also in another package |
| 06:23.22 | BadMan | you need to move upp sarge at least... |
| 06:23.22 | mute1 | woody |
| 06:23.35 | Guerin | Gokee2: this should never happen, but in sid and in unofficial packages, it does |
| 06:23.36 | mute1 | Thought sarge was older? |
| 06:23.42 | BadMan | sarge witha 2.6 kernel for your arch with nvidia... |
| 06:23.52 | BadMan | nope sarge is newer than woody |
| 06:23.58 | bltzfsck | well, it worked. thx fellas |
| 06:24.00 | Guerin | Gokee2: using dpkg --force-overwrite packagewhichisfucked will install it |
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| 06:24.09 | mute1 | Badman, which Disk would that be? |
| 06:24.15 | lmr | peterS: thanks it is installing :) |
| 06:24.28 | Gokee2 | Guerin, Hmm ok |
| 06:24.38 | BadMan | do you have broadband? |
| 06:24.42 | lmr | thanks guys |
| 06:24.58 | mute1 | Yep |
| 06:25.08 | mute1 | Dailup=PAIN |
| 06:25.13 | sh0rt | mute1: is it a desktop machine |
| 06:25.21 | mute1 | Yes, my first |
| 06:25.49 | mute1 | I think I used the Vanilla Debian install |
| 06:25.57 | sh0rt | mute1: just change your sources and upgrade to sarge |
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| 06:26.04 | BadMan | what arch are you running cpu.... |
| 06:26.06 | shingouz | is there a neat way to figure out the ioport of a cs89x0 ibm etherjet isa nic without the isapnptools (which i would need to install off the cd's or reinstall the 3com so i could access the net to install the tools) |
| 06:26.10 | mute1 | AMD |
| 06:26.24 | BadMan | sh0rt: that ahs bombed so many times on ppl its best to start from scratch.... |
| 06:26.32 | sh0rt | ok |
| 06:26.34 | BadMan | k7? k8? |
| 06:26.44 | Guerin | if you know what you're doing, dist-upgrade is fine |
| 06:26.45 | mute1 | When I apt-get upgrade I get nothing |
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| 06:27.09 | Arafangion | What's a good apt howto? |
| 06:27.09 | mute1 | XAthalon XP 2100 |
| 06:27.34 | BadMan | mute1: you will get nothing if you dont do apt-get update first... but if you installed from the cdroms and gave it no other sources, it wount check anywhere but the cache of stuff from cdromms |
| 06:27.41 | bob2 | Arafangion: I really doubt apt is the problem |
| 06:27.46 | bob2 | Arafangion: paste the error to #flood |
| 06:28.08 | Arafangion | bob2: Here's the relevant *line* |
| 06:28.11 | Arafangion | dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/Xft.h' with different file `/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/Xft1.h', not allowed |
| 06:28.34 | mute1 | I specified update.debian.org |
| 06:28.36 | bob2 | not an apt problem then |
| 06:28.56 | Arafangion | bob2: That doesn't exactly help me... |
| 06:29.02 | bob2 | yes, I know |
| 06:29.08 | bob2 | paste your sources.list to #flood |
| 06:29.10 | Arafangion | bob2: I would prefer if apt would just continue and upgrade the next program. |
| 06:29.22 | bob2 | that would be awesome, but it can't |
| 06:29.36 | Arafangion | bob2: You really want me to use flood? |
| 06:29.46 | bob2 | yes |
| 06:29.52 | mute1 | Badman this is the ISO I downloaded.... debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 06:29.58 | bob2 | as a first guess, I bet you're using non-Debian X packages |
| 06:30.04 | bob2 | Arafangion: #flood, that is |
| 06:30.22 | Arafangion | bob2: No, it's been over a year since my last update. |
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| 06:30.34 | bob2 | hah, wow |
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| 06:30.34 | dan2 | hwh |
| 06:30.36 | Cray | hello |
| 06:31.03 | Arafangion | bob2: Well, granted, my apt-sources file has many other lines, but they're *ALL* commented out. Except for that one. |
| 06:31.12 | bob2 | Arafangion: that's the whole thing? |
| 06:31.20 | Arafangion | bob2: The whole uncommented thing, yes. |
| 06:31.21 | bob2 | Arafangion: oh. where they uncommented last time you did an upgrade? |
| 06:31.26 | Overand | maybe you should look at his apt.conf |
| 06:31.49 | sh0rt | mute1: try the sarge net install |
| 06:31.52 | bob2 | apt.conf won't have any effect with only one line in his/her sources.list |
| 06:31.56 | Overand | er |
| 06:31.59 | Overand | forget i said that |
| 06:32.01 | Overand | yueah |
| 06:32.06 | Arafangion | bob2: The others were all official, or downloaded from the official and used on a local server. |
| 06:32.07 | Overand | i misread |
| 06:32.09 | mute1 | sh0rt: how? |
| 06:32.16 | bob2 | Arafangion: wow |
| 06:32.35 | Arafangion | bob2: Having said that, about the time I last updated, unstable was a bit... err... unstable. |
| 06:32.40 | BadMan | mute1: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ check this page over, I haven't tried rc3 so I have no experience with it. |
| 06:32.43 | Overand | mute1: do you need a link, or can you handle browsing debain.org ? |
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| 06:32.53 | Overand | ah |
| 06:32.57 | Overand | nevermind, BadMan got it for ya |
| 06:33.13 | Overand | my experience with the sarge installer so far has been good, but i think it was a previous release candidate |
| 06:33.19 | bob2 | Arafangion: ah, known bug |
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| 06:33.25 | BadMan | rc2 I was quitepleased with |
| 06:33.32 | yebian | aperfectcircle WhatsGoinOn |
| 06:33.36 | Arafangion | bob2: I seriously need to check the bug page... |
| 06:33.38 | bob2 | Arafangion: bugs.debian.org/237509 |
| 06:33.46 | Arafangion | bob2: THanks heaps :) |
| 06:33.47 | sh0rt | !tell mute1 about d-i |
| 06:33.49 | bob2 | np |
| 06:34.38 | mute1 | Cool, looks Like I got some readin to do |
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| 06:36.12 | mute1 | Thanks for the info, looks like I'll be spending so time here. :) |
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| 06:37.46 | Marita_Win | hola |
| 06:37.54 | Marita_Win | aca hablan castellano? |
| 06:38.01 | Arafangion | bob2: Now I know how to fix that particular issue :) |
| 06:38.09 | yebian | no hablan espanol |
| 06:38.10 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 06:38.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:38.11 | Marita_Win | ? |
| 06:38.22 | Marita_Win | bueno |
| 06:38.42 | Marita_Win | pero que pasa al final con la libertad que tanto pregonan los de linux? |
| 06:38.49 | Marita_Win | al final chorizo |
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| 06:42.30 | Arafangion | bob2: How long are your sources.list files, btw? I usually have _very_ simple sources files, if I have anything more than the one line, it's for debian security and backports.org |
| 06:42.38 | Arafangion | In the case of stable. |
| 06:42.49 | drp | is there a temporary place that files go when they are deleted in debian |
| 06:42.58 | peterS | drp: no |
| 06:42.59 | drp | a users files |
| 06:43.01 | drp | k |
| 06:43.12 | bob2 | Arafangion: same |
| 06:43.25 | Arafangion | bob2: Cool. |
| 06:43.35 | drp | I'm not sure if this is specific to Solaris but they have a Tomb directory, or at least that's the way its implemented on the servers I use |
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| 06:43.43 | peterS | drp: some file manager GUI things might have their own arrangements for that sort of thing |
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| 06:44.08 | drp | peterS: yeah I figured that |
| 06:44.13 | Arafangion | drp: I dislike having GUI things and "safe rm scripts", because you can't rely on them. |
| 06:44.29 | drp | yeah I know but I was just wondering |
| 06:44.31 | Arafangion | drp: Better to just backup. |
| 06:44.35 | sh0rt | Ive got kedit being run by root using 95% cpu and I cant kill it? I didnt open it. |
| 06:44.48 | Arafangion | drp: I currently use a versioned folder in /home/<user> |
| 06:45.09 | Arafangion | sh0rt: You have kedit being run by root?! |
| 06:45.09 | BadMan | sh0rt: killall -9 kedit ? |
| 06:45.22 | Arafangion | sh0rt: What'd you do in root? |
| 06:45.29 | Guerin | gah |
| 06:45.35 | sh0rt | i didnt start it, thats the thing |
| 06:45.45 | Arafangion | sh0rt: Yeah, but *what did you do as root*? |
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| 06:46.30 | sh0rt | not doing anthing as root |
| 06:46.37 | Guerin | sh0rt: unplug your machine from the iinternet and try to figure out what happened |
| 06:46.48 | BadMan | L |
| 06:46.52 | Arafangion | sh0rt: Before you unplug, install chkrootkit. |
| 06:47.06 | sh0rt | yeah got it, will run it |
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| 06:47.24 | nvz | hmm I just had a lesson in spanish history.. I looked up castellano |
| 06:47.42 | Arafangion | Guerin: I often wonder what is the more secure operating system for the naive admin - windows or debian... |
| 06:47.47 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:47.50 | Guerin | i don't |
| 06:48.06 | tag | 3 << 250 message deferred to folder |
| 06:48.28 | nvz | actually I looked up castilian, the english word |
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| 06:49.14 | sh0rt | chkrootkit and rkhunter nothing found, weird |
| 06:49.45 | Guerin | sh0rt: anyone else have a shell on this machine? |
| 06:49.51 | sh0rt | nothing from lsof -i either |
| 06:49.54 | sh0rt | nope |
| 06:50.08 | sh0rt | not that I gave em :) |
| 06:50.19 | Guerin | well, I can't think it would be a hax0r |
| 06:50.28 | Guerin | since no hax0r would ever use kedit |
| 06:50.33 | carrett | haha |
| 06:50.35 | sh0rt | heh |
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| 06:53.34 | BadMan | sh0rt: chkrootkit is there |
| 06:53.44 | sh0rt | huh? |
| 06:54.01 | sh0rt | BadMan: what do you mean |
| 06:54.15 | BadMan | you said you couldnt find it its on apt..... or did I miss reas omething |
| 06:54.38 | sh0rt | BadMan: nup, ive got and run it and rkhunter |
| 06:54.53 | BadMan | ahhh guess I misundstood |
| 06:55.26 | sh0rt | BadMan: I meant, they found nothing :) |
| 06:55.34 | BadMan | ok |
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| 06:59.04 | sh0rt | why would killall -9 work, but killal -HUP didnt. |
| 06:59.49 | mwilson | Because they don't send the same signal, of course. |
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| 07:01.09 | sh0rt | clear as mud |
| 07:01.18 | mwilson | man killall |
| 07:01.25 | mwilson | Read. |
| 07:01.26 | sh0rt | doing it |
| 07:02.13 | zorpit | so, /proc/config.gz admits that CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0 is set, but dmesg says nothing about audio, and programs complain about lack of audio device... where do I start debugging this? |
| 07:02.32 | Guerin | zorpit: set to what? |
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| 07:03.20 | dumbuser | hello friends and hoes:) |
| 07:03.29 | zorpit | Guerin: y |
| 07:03.35 | dumbuser | anyone knows how can i get my 3button mouse to work prop. on xfree86? |
| 07:03.40 | Guerin | dumbuser: no gardening implements here, sunshine |
| 07:03.49 | dumbuser | so that i could use it for scrolling and stuffing |
| 07:03.49 | Guerin | dumbuser: define 'prop.' |
| 07:04.08 | dumbuser | Guerin: properly |
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| 07:04.51 | visual_ | peterS: *hug* |
| 07:04.52 | zorpit | dumbuser: probably just a matter of setting the correct 'Option "Protocol"' |
| 07:04.58 | visual_ | peterS: i got my trailing back |
| 07:05.04 | peterS | heh |
| 07:05.04 | Mukudori | Hello |
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| 07:05.12 | zorpit | visual_: (in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4) |
| 07:05.23 | visual_ | zorpit: i got logitech m-s48 3 button non optical mouse |
| 07:05.25 | carrett | zorpit: i've never been able to get onboard audio to work. i just bought a soundblaster. |
| 07:05.27 | Guerin | grep: /etc/x11/XF86Config-4: No such file or directory |
| 07:05.39 | Guerin | grr |
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| 07:05.55 | sh0rt | Signals can be specified either by name (e.g. -HUP) or by number (e.g. |
| 07:05.55 | sh0rt | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.56 | visual_ | carrett: "modprobe sb" on root and then adduser (uruser) audio, and restart? |
| 07:05.56 | zorpit | Guerin: capital X11 |
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| 07:06.04 | Guerin | Option"ZAxisMapping""4 5" |
| 07:06.04 | sh0rt | what about -9 |
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| 07:06.09 | Guerin | ah, right you are |
| 07:06.16 | carrett | visual_: huh? |
| 07:06.21 | mwilson | sh0rt: What about it? |
| 07:06.23 | zorpit | carrett: good point |
| 07:06.29 | bjenkins | is it possible to open the same set of mail folders with multiple apps, like evolution and pine? |
| 07:06.34 | sh0rt | what does -9 do |
| 07:06.36 | carrett | zorpit: i made a point? |
| 07:06.38 | visual_ | carrett: im using soundblaster16 its onboard cmi8330 from c-media and it works fine |
| 07:06.46 | mwilson | sh0rt: man kill |
| 07:06.47 | peterS | bjenkins: sure |
| 07:06.47 | visual_ | carrett: on 2.4.7 kernel |
| 07:06.48 | Vineyard | I'm installing the php4-gd package. After doing a dpkg -l php4-gd it says "Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 07:06.48 | Vineyard | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 07:06.48 | Vineyard | ". DOes this mean it didn't install? |
| 07:06.48 | Guerin | bjenkins: anything's possible |
| 07:06.51 | sh0rt | ok |
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| 07:07.13 | peterS | bjenkins: mail apps are supposed to use locks to make sure they don't stomp on each other's changes to mail folders |
| 07:07.15 | Guerin | bjenkins: be aware that mboxen need locking to make sure they're not fucked up by concurrent writes |
| 07:07.21 | sh0rt | oh :) |
| 07:07.24 | michal_ | does anyone here know if the fglx driver supports the xrandr extension? |
| 07:07.26 | caphuso | Vineyard: uh, that's just the default header dpkg -l always displays |
| 07:07.33 | peterS | bjenkins: this can fail if different apps use different methods of locking, but that's the job of the distribution (like Debian), to make sure all apps are consistent |
| 07:07.34 | Vineyard | oh okay |
| 07:07.36 | bjenkins | i don't mean simultaneously, but just at different times |
| 07:07.47 | Guerin | bjenkins: oh, hell yeah |
| 07:07.57 | Vineyard | Is anyone familar with using php-gd and apache ? |
| 07:07.58 | carrett | visual_: i ended up buying a pci soundblaster because, though alsactl, xmms, etc. all thought i had a card and i unmuted everything, i still couldn't get my speakers to make a peep. |
| 07:08.20 | peterS | bjenkins: certain mail apps support certain mailbox formats, so you'll want to check and make sure you're using a format all your apps know about |
| 07:08.22 | zorpit | visual_: From my google search, looks like: Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" |
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| 07:08.28 | bjenkins | couldn't do it with nmh and evolution, though |
| 07:08.37 | peterS | zorpit: ImPS/2 is for a mouse with a wheel |
| 07:08.39 | visual_ | carrett: ya need something like "aumix" to set up right volumes and stuff |
| 07:08.45 | visual_ | peterS: i got wheeler |
| 07:08.47 | peterS | zorpit: although it also works for a USB mouse, regardless of wheel |
| 07:08.52 | bjenkins | i'm thinking pine or elm and evolution |
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| 07:09.07 | bjenkins | one in the console, one in X |
| 07:09.14 | Guerin | mutt > * |
| 07:09.20 | bjenkins | or mutt |
| 07:09.21 | carrett | visual_: well, i used alsamixer, but i might be missing something here... |
| 07:09.23 | peterS | bjenkins: if you like pine / elm, you should try mutt. mutt is much better than those others, but takes some time to get used to. you might like it |
| 07:09.26 | visual_ | peterS: what else do you want from a life if you got trailing and a wheel!? |
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| 07:09.39 | peterS | visual_: hmmm, dunno. sounds like you pretty much have it all |
| 07:09.44 | visual_ | carrett: afaik alsa dont work for SB very well |
| 07:09.59 | visual_ | carrett: kernel 2.4.7 should have original sb drivers included, and oss/alsa suck |
| 07:10.09 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:10.29 | bjenkins | actually, mh would be great, because it has console and x versions |
| 07:10.37 | bjenkins | but it's not much used anymore |
| 07:10.38 | visual_ | carrett: unless you got some kickass 2004 soundblaster...then you need newer kernel for newer hardware |
| 07:11.06 | carrett | visual_: no...i've found alsa's emu10k1 driver works great with my sb live. |
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| 07:11.29 | visual_ | peterS: Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" |
| 07:11.34 | visual_ | peterS: Option "Protocol" "PS/2" |
| 07:11.40 | carrett | visual_: and i think the 2.4.x series used oss drivers...if i'm not mistaken |
| 07:11.42 | visual_ | peterS: ps/2 is regular 2 button mouse? but whats psaux |
| 07:11.54 | peterS | visual_: /dev/psaux is your PS/2 port on your computer |
| 07:11.54 | Guerin | carrett: you are not |
| 07:12.02 | peterS | visual_: "PS/2" is a 2-button or 3-button PS/2-compatible mouse |
| 07:12.04 | visual_ | carrett: yeah sb live is newer version but im using kickass old sk00l sb driver |
| 07:12.19 | zorpit | carrett: did you have to do anything special to keep your on-board card from conflicting with your PCI? |
| 07:12.22 | visual_ | peterS: should i change protocol to imps/2 ? |
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| 07:12.31 | peterS | visual_: if you want your scroll wheel to work, yes |
| 07:12.40 | visual_ | zorpit: ya can always unload onboard module and load pci module |
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| 07:12.56 | carrett | zorpit: i had to pull a cable that went from the onboard input (for speakers) into some slot on the mobo. |
| 07:12.58 | visual_ | peterS: gotta restart xfree after modifing it? |
| 07:13.21 | peterS | visual_: after modifying XF86Config-4? yes |
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| 07:13.30 | zorpit | visual_: i've been on a no-module kick lately, so i'd be in the right state just after booting up |
| 07:13.31 | carrett | zorpit: or i could've disabled the onboard audio via my bios |
| 07:13.40 | zorpit | carrett: ahh, right. thanks |
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| 07:14.05 | visual_ | zorpit: i have only used linux for a week so im still too dumb to help on that matter |
| 07:14.08 | visual_ | brb |
| 07:14.35 | visual_ | hrmpf just remembered, cant restart yet |
| 07:14.41 | visual_ | blade3 downloading still |
| 07:14.47 | visual_ | and only 1.8mb/s :( |
| 07:14.52 | visual_ | usually i get 3mb/s |
| 07:15.12 | bjenkins | damn, that was easy |
| 07:15.26 | bjenkins | youse guys is awright |
| 07:16.13 | visual_ | peterS: is there anyth like "DirectX" for linuxses? |
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| 07:16.31 | holycow | visual_, open gl |
| 07:16.32 | Guerin | eew |
| 07:16.52 | Guerin | well, in fairness, directx is a lot more than a 3d rendering library |
| 07:16.55 | holycow | plus a bunch of other libraries that handle the other bits |
| 07:16.57 | visual_ | holycow: place to get? sarge has its package? |
| 07:17.08 | peterS | visual_: DirectX is several technologies. for 3D graphics, the Unix equivalent is OpenGL. for joystick/mouse/etc. input, other libraries exist. for audio, most apps use ALSA libraries or something |
| 07:17.08 | holycow | Guerin, *nod* yeah |
| 07:17.12 | visual_ | holycow: need to get quake2 working with ati rage pro 120, 8mb |
| 07:17.23 | holycow | say what? |
| 07:17.31 | holycow | lookup transgaming, or cedega |
| 07:17.44 | witless | any recommendations for converting avi to quicktime or WMV? |
| 07:17.46 | holycow | i don't think thats a game thats been natively ported to linux |
| 07:17.54 | holycow | witless, yes windows |
| 07:18.02 | visual_ | holycow: it has its linux versions:P |
| 07:18.11 | holycow | visual_, really? |
| 07:18.15 | holycow | then it runs with ogl |
| 07:18.16 | witless | anyone? |
| 07:18.24 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:18.28 | Guerin | quake2 is in debian |
| 07:18.37 | holycow | lol really? |
| 07:18.37 | Guerin | at least, parts of it are :) |
| 07:18.40 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:18.47 | Guerin | !find quake2 |
| 07:18.49 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'quake2' (2): quake2 ;; quake2-data. |
| 07:18.51 | holycow | lol |
| 07:18.54 | visual_ | peterS: one more dumb question: how to make "broadcast" message when computer starts on xdm, like window appears "Username is: f00kj00, password is: f00kj00" |
| 07:19.01 | holycow | visual_, so whats the problem exactly then? |
| 07:19.13 | Guerin | all idsoftware stuff is ogl, i believe |
| 07:19.15 | visual_ | holycow: till now i had nfc that its on debian package:D? |
| 07:19.21 | peterS | visual_: I don't understand what you want. what sort of 'broadcast message'? |
| 07:19.23 | Guerin | then never got on the directx bandwagon |
| 07:19.29 | chealer | witless: heh, does that imply something other than changing the extension? |
| 07:19.30 | Guerin | s/then/they/ |
| 07:19.36 | visual_ | peterS: you know the "legal notice box" on windows? |
| 07:19.39 | markybob | Guerin apt-cache show quake2 ...it just helps install |
| 07:19.44 | visual_ | peterS: what you can achive when changing a little registry? |
| 07:19.54 | holycow | visual_, :) just remember what Guerin said ... directx is like ogl plus sound and a whole buncha other crap rolled into one |
| 07:19.54 | Guerin | markybob: i did say PARTS of it |
| 07:19.56 | visual_ | markybob: apt-cache search u mean? |
| 07:20.02 | markybob | visual_ no |
| 07:20.04 | peterS | visual_: oh. yeah. I don't know whether there's a convenient prepackaged way to do that in Debian |
| 07:20.10 | markybob | visual_ i said show. i meant show. |
| 07:20.14 | holycow | generally either you run a native winders game via cedega, or its natively ported |
| 07:20.24 | visual_ | peterS: i looked into xdm config files, cant find anything to help myself:P |
| 07:20.31 | Shorty` | anyone here a QoS guru? :P |
| 07:20.35 | holycow | if its natively ported installing on debian should be not too much trouble, if it's on cedega, you need to check their website for support |
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| 07:20.54 | visual_ | hmm...theres no quake2 for sarge tho |
| 07:20.57 | holycow | speaking of quake 2 ... lets give this a shake |
| 07:20.59 | peterS | Shorty`: if you can catch simonrvn, he does a lot of QoS stuff |
| 07:21.10 | visual_ | whats qos? |
| 07:21.20 | visual_ | "que paso?" for short? |
| 07:21.21 | holycow | oh data files |
| 07:21.25 | Guerin | visual_: queer os |
| 07:21.30 | visual_ | ah:) |
| 07:21.36 | markybob | wow. that's sad. |
| 07:21.42 | peterS | visual_: Quality of Service, actually |
| 07:21.46 | holycow | visual_, so you still have two options, cedega or find the native rpm's |
| 07:21.59 | visual_ | holycow: whats cedega? some emulator? |
| 07:22.04 | holycow | google it |
| 07:22.12 | visual_ | mkay |
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| 07:30.44 | llama32 | gaim rules |
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| 07:31.57 | drfc | it does. |
| 07:32.15 | chealer | llama32: even for IRC? :) |
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| 07:32.55 | C17H21NO4 | llama32: centericq is better. |
| 07:33.02 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:33.06 | Guerin | irssi + bitlbee |
| 07:33.09 | drfc | irssi nuff said |
| 07:33.45 | llama32 | C17H21NO4: nah i prefer gaim :) centeriqc is pretty good from what ive seen tho :) |
| 07:34.15 | llama32 | chealer: im using it right now for irc... whats meant to be wrong with it? |
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| 07:35.23 | C17H21NO4 | Guerin: Does bitlbee do msn and/or yahoo? |
| 07:35.40 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:35.49 | chealer | llama32: it's not primarily designed to be an IRC client... I was trying to rename from cheale1 to chealer an hour ago and ended up on #gaim because /nick chealer failed with no feedback (chealer was already in use) |
| 07:35.59 | zorpit | would /dev/audio have different major/minor #'s if I switched drivers from my previous config? |
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| 07:36.12 | mwilson | No. |
| 07:36.24 | PyUser | How can I find out what graphics card I'm on the system? |
| 07:36.30 | Guerin | gaim is a good im client, but a very poor irc client |
| 07:36.30 | zorpit | PyUser: lspci |
| 07:36.55 | zorpit | mwilson: do you know why i would get "no such device" even if the bootup shows the correct ALSA init? |
| 07:36.57 | llama32-gaim-wor | well my nickname cant fit in "gaim-works" at the end of it, but /nick works for me chealer |
| 07:37.36 | chealer | llama32: that's because there was nobody named llama32-gaim-wor already. I have 3 open bugs in gaim's BTS |
| 07:37.59 | mwilson | zorpit: No, I have no use for ALSA... never bothered with it. |
| 07:38.24 | llama32 | Guerin/chealer: it could do with history when u press the up button! |
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| 07:38.34 | zorpit | mwilson: heh, k... thanks though. =) |
| 07:38.41 | Guerin | llama32: another feature from the 1990s! |
| 07:38.44 | llama32 | :| |
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| 07:39.06 | llama31 | sorry, it could do what? |
| 07:39.27 | Guerin | aargh |
| 07:39.30 | Guerin | too many llamas |
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| 07:39.35 | llama31 | llama32: hehe, I just realized what's the bug trying to rename to llama32 |
| 07:39.40 | zorpit | i don't have anything in /dev/snd... i wonder if that's part of the problem |
| 07:40.08 | llama32 | moo!! |
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| 07:40.14 | markybob | you wall might wanna go into #gaim instead |
| 07:40.31 | markybob | s/wall/all |
| 07:42.21 | llama32 | who got dpkg stoned? |
| 07:42.23 | llama32 | (17:42:04) dpkg: methinks bong is like, dude, yeah... |
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| 07:44.01 | llama32 | (17:43:46) dpkg: methinks xtc is ECSTACY or MDMA, hallucinogen drug...gives you a sense of full love and freedom...Hmmmm, I want some X (not like in X of Xfree :) ) hehe |
| 07:44.16 | carrett | look, i know i've been a jerk, but can someone with proper priveleges make dpkg talk to me? (s)he ignores (or at least, doesn't reply) to {any|every}thing i say. |
| 07:44.20 | Guerin | dpkg, bong is also see http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=980804 |
| 07:44.20 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 07:44.33 | caphuso | carrett: using bitchx? |
| 07:44.43 | carrett | caphuso: no, but i have used it in the past |
| 07:44.55 | carrett | i'm using irssi |
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| 07:45.14 | caphuso | carrett: you don't have it /ignored, do you? |
| 07:45.55 | carrett | caphuso: nope. |
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| 07:47.14 | llama32 | lol dpkg points u to the llama song when u type llama! |
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| 07:47.30 | danikata | hi.. all |
| 07:47.48 | Guerin | llama32: ok, you have exceeded this channel's lameness quota for today |
| 07:47.55 | Debian_ | hey how come i cannot started gdm when i started it i get an error, it seems you'r X is not configured Right or something like that |
| 07:47.59 | caphuso | Guerin: so has everyone else |
| 07:48.01 | peterS | Guerin: where 'today' means Sunday? ouch |
| 07:48.06 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:48.13 | peterS | actually it's Monday in most of the world by now, I suppose |
| 07:48.16 | Guerin | it's monday where I am |
| 07:48.23 | markybob | debian_ because your x is not configured correctly...or something like that. |
| 07:48.26 | danikata | how to change resolution from 800x600 to 1024 x 768 ? my resolution is stuck in 800x600 ? |
| 07:48.29 | Guerin | Debian_: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 07:48.41 | carrett | caphuso: so...am i just SOL? should i just get another nick? because with other nicks i can talk to dpkg without trouble. |
| 07:48.41 | Guerin | danikata: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:48.45 | peterS | danikata: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'. there are options for this sort of thing |
| 07:49.01 | Guerin | carrett: talk to dondelelcaro, he owns the bot |
| 07:49.06 | caphuso | carrett: you'd need to talk with dondelelcaro, he's the one responsible for dpkg |
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| 07:49.18 | carrett | thanks folks |
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| 07:49.27 | peterS | /nick carrot |
| 07:49.28 | peterS | that would help |
| 07:49.33 | llama32 | (17:49:18) ***dpkg fucks himself gently, like a weasel in heat with a pink dildo |
| 07:49.35 | danikata | thx |
| 07:49.40 | caphuso | llama32: enough now |
| 07:49.54 | llama32 | i cant help it |
| 07:49.58 | caphuso | llama32: i can |
| 07:50.04 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:50.20 | carrett | caphuso: what time is dondelelcaro usually around/awake? |
| 07:50.35 | Guerin | !debstats |
| 07:50.35 | dpkg | methinks debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 07:51.21 | peterS | carrett: I'd suggest '/msg dpkg seen dondelelcaro' but that's a chicken-and-egg problem (: |
| 07:51.38 | carrett | peterS: hehe |
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| 07:57.44 | cat | i'm having issues with my sound card is not working any ideas? |
| 07:57.50 | cat | aYCa\: spammer |
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| 07:58.06 | cat | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 07:58.11 | cat | my sound card was working before |
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| 07:58.56 | cat | any ideas? |
| 07:59.17 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 07:59.17 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 07:59.27 | peterS | cat: that's kind of an ambiguous error message. have you got your sound drivers loaded? |
| 07:59.37 | Guerin | cat: here's an idea: how about you give us some information |
| 07:59.49 | cat | peterS: yeah before i rebooted it yeah |
| 08:00.08 | peterS | cat: what sound card type? what module did you have loaded before? does 'lsmod' show it? |
| 08:00.54 | cat | i810_audio 37588 0 |
| 08:00.59 | cat | ac97_codec 18956 3 via82cxxx_audio,ac97_plugin_ad1980,i810_audio |
| 08:01.29 | peterS | cat: wtf, you have both via82cxxx_audio and i810_audio loaded. plus possibly more. do you know which is actually your sound card? |
| 08:01.45 | cat | ac97 |
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| 08:01.48 | karsten | cat: i810 |
| 08:01.49 | peterS | since via82cxxx_audio and i810_audio are both for motherboard chipsets, it's basically impossible that you have both types |
| 08:02.02 | karsten | peterS: Good call. |
| 08:02.09 | karsten | cat: NM. |
| 08:02.21 | karsten | cat: 'lspci' |
| 08:02.23 | peterS | cat: both VIA and Intel motherboard audio chips are AC97. you have to know more specifically |
| 08:02.27 | cat | Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 1.01, 15:16:20 Mar 22 2005 |
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| 08:02.45 | cat | is that enough? |
| 08:02.57 | peterS | cat: just to check, what does 'lspci | grep audio' say about it? |
| 08:03.05 | karsten | peterS: Actually, it's both. |
| 08:03.13 | cat | 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 08:03.23 | peterS | cat: ok, yeah, that's an i810_audio compatible chip |
| 08:03.32 | karsten | peterS: My box is i810 audio with a ac97 codec. |
| 08:03.33 | cat | so what modules should i load? |
| 08:03.52 | markybob | cat are you sure you just havent added yourself to the audio group? can you cat /dev/dsp as root? |
| 08:03.59 | peterS | karsten: right. all i810_audio hardware uses ac97 |
| 08:04.11 | cat | cat: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 08:04.12 | peterS | cat: just i810_audio. it will suck in ac97_codec automatically. the rest you can disregard |
| 08:04.13 | karsten | cat: soundcore ac97_codec i810_audio |
| 08:04.32 | karsten | cat: Make sure you're a member of the appropriate audio group |
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| 08:04.47 | cat | i am |
| 08:04.59 | cat | The user `Debian' is already a member of `audio'. |
| 08:05.05 | karsten | cat: OK. |
| 08:05.15 | karsten | cat: Let me catch up on scrollback here.... |
| 08:05.39 | karsten | cat: You *really* need a different nic. |
| 08:06.21 | cat | why i need a different Network Interface Card> |
| 08:06.36 | cat | Why do i need a different Network interface Card? |
| 08:06.42 | peterS | he means a different nick |
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| 08:06.46 | karsten | cat: cat No, nickname. |
| 08:06.46 | peterS | as opposed to cat |
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| 08:07.15 | cat | so what should i do with my sound card, |
| 08:07.19 | karsten | cat: What's: ls -l /dev/mixer0 ? I show: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 0 2004-07-07 04:07 /dev/mixer0 |
| 08:07.25 | karsten | cat: Please paste. |
| 08:07.38 | cat | ls: /dev/mixer0: No such file or directory |
| 08:07.45 | karsten | cat: That would be a problem. |
| 08:08.02 | cat | interesting |
| 08:08.23 | karsten | cat: lsmod | sort | egrep '(sound|audio|i810|ac97)' |
| 08:08.29 | karsten | cat: Run that, paste to #flood |
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| 08:14.21 | belracu | is there any p2p application that uses port 80 for file sharing ? |
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| 08:14.55 | helix | Antismurff: are you having problems? |
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| 08:15.58 | cat | 80 that's the one that apache uses |
| 08:16.07 | cat | giFTcurs you can set the ports to 80 also |
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| 08:16.16 | peterS | yes, 80 is the port any HTTP server uses by default |
| 08:16.50 | caphuso | except the webmin one, or the deconf one, or ... |
| 08:16.51 | caphuso | s/deconf/debconf/ |
| 08:17.00 | peterS | yes, or cups or swat. those don't count (: |
| 08:18.54 | belracu | any p2p or torrent that works on only port 8- ? |
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| 08:19.01 | belracu | any p2p or torrent that works on only port 80? |
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| 08:19.15 | cat | belracu: giFTcurs |
| 08:19.39 | belracu | cat, what is giFTcurs |
| 08:19.48 | jman | hello out there? debian newbie here, can anyone see my text? |
| 08:19.50 | belracu | cat, is it a torrent or ... p2p stuff |
| 08:20.01 | cat | p2p |
| 08:20.07 | markybob | jman yes, we see you |
| 08:20.16 | jman | thnx markybob |
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| 08:20.54 | jman | mmm,starting to like linux more everyday |
| 08:21.21 | cat | y? |
| 08:21.45 | jman | well i never thought i be able to learn how to use it |
| 08:21.53 | cat | isn't it easy? |
| 08:21.55 | cat | lol |
| 08:22.13 | jman | well for some i guess, but for me, took me a while to learn the concepts |
| 08:22.40 | jman | how did you learn cat? |
| 08:22.49 | cat | reading books |
| 08:23.02 | markybob | ha. that's funny. too bad those books didnt tell you how to fix your sound card. |
| 08:23.05 | cat | reading manuals not too much irc not to much fun, just learning learning learning |
| 08:23.26 | cat | damn right |
| 08:23.42 | jman | ok, well my mentor is a debian guru, he told me to go debian |
| 08:24.00 | markybob | what's his nick? |
| 08:24.03 | jman | i tried mandrake with a gui, but he said WTF? get rid of mandrake |
| 08:24.23 | jman | i dunno if hes got a handle, brb |
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| 08:25.01 | dfd | hello |
| 08:25.13 | jman | hello dfd |
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| 08:25.54 | keropok | harloww dude |
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| 08:26.34 | cat | what's the point of been a debian guru? |
| 08:26.39 | witless | i'm on debian-unstable, trying to write a cd, and get this message: cdrecord: OPC failed anyone know what's up? |
| 08:26.45 | jman | so cat, did you previously have windoze experience before? |
| 08:26.51 | keropok | point-to-point protocol |
| 08:26.53 | keropok | lol |
| 08:27.07 | jman | cat, i dunno, he just knows debian pretty well, so i can ask him questions i guess |
| 08:27.13 | cat | i have never used windows on my life what's windows anyways |
| 08:27.21 | jman | hehe ok |
| 08:27.35 | rixth | How can a change what wrokgroup I'm part of? |
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| 08:27.44 | holycow | witless, wait a week and dist-upgrade |
| 08:27.44 | valdyn | witless: thats the whole error message? |
| 08:27.45 | cat | rixth: edit /etc/group |
| 08:28.04 | witless | valdyn: where can i paste? |
| 08:28.12 | valdyn | !paste |
| 08:28.12 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 08:28.23 | jman | might be a silly question, but do u use debian Cat or another linux? |
| 08:28.41 | rixth | cat, that's uer groups, I want to change waht group I'm art of on the netork. |
| 08:28.44 | cat | Debian is my life |
| 08:28.45 | rixth | part* |
| 08:28.50 | valdyn | rixth: workgroup for what? are you talking about samba? |
| 08:29.08 | rixth | valdyn, yes |
| 08:29.20 | jman | so u are a debian guru then cat :P |
| 08:29.24 | myren | isnt there some CD-rom which can etch/burn images onot the non-data side of the CD? |
| 08:29.29 | myren | i need one. :/ |
| 08:29.31 | rixth | vim /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 08:29.32 | valdyn | rixth: edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 08:29.39 | witless | valdyn: it's in #flood |
| 08:29.41 | bob2 | yamaha made one |
| 08:29.46 | bob2 | no one bought it because it was pointless |
| 08:29.50 | bob2 | and proprietary |
| 08:29.53 | myren | indeed, it mostly is |
| 08:29.55 | Tonik | Anyone else trying to compile x.org from cvs? |
| 08:30.04 | myren | yeah, i'm sure the cd's are going to code their weight in blood |
| 08:30.09 | fooz | bob2, cdrecord supports it.. |
| 08:30.10 | bob2 | Tonik: probably in #freedesktop |
| 08:30.11 | rixth | bob2, I thought HP came up with it... |
| 08:30.11 | fooz | afaik |
| 08:30.16 | bob2 | fooz: oh |
| 08:30.19 | Tonik | bob2: thanks |
| 08:30.20 | bob2 | I take that back then |
| 08:30.26 | markybob_gone | fooz ? got a link to back that up? |
| 08:30.30 | fooz | bob2, there's also a new one that prints labels too, i don't know who supports that |
| 08:30.40 | fooz | markybob_gone, i did say 'afaik', and you know how to find the cdrecord page.. |
| 08:30.42 | myren | fooz: for truth, the yamaha? thats awsome. |
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| 08:30.47 | jman | ok well thanks for the chat |
| 08:30.50 | valdyn | witless: looks like a broken cd, but looking at what holycow said he probably knows more than me. |
| 08:30.51 | jman | bye Cat |
| 08:30.55 | markybob_gone | ha. fun. |
| 08:30.56 | cat | bye |
| 08:30.59 | valdyn | holycow: cdrecord broken in sid or? |
| 08:31.00 | myren | the label thing sucks. who wants to replace ink cartridges on their cd drive? |
| 08:31.10 | jman | bye markybob |
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| 08:31.19 | myren | trying to google down this cd rom drive is impossible. :/ |
| 08:31.22 | fooz | 'Yamaha DiskT@2 is supported' |
| 08:31.27 | fooz | 'Here are some images from a user:' |
| 08:31.31 | fooz | from the cdrecord page. |
| 08:31.35 | caphuso | fooz: horrible, isn't it? |
| 08:31.43 | fooz | the name is |
| 08:31.53 | bob2 | oh god |
| 08:31.56 | holycow | valdyn, not really, thats basically the answer to every debian question that goes 'why is this package broken' |
| 08:31.58 | bob2 | that name hurts me deep inside |
| 08:31.59 | fooz | it probably failed because nobody realised 'DiskT@2' is supposed to mean 'DiskTattoo' |
| 08:32.05 | fooz | and they're like "wtf? omg" |
| 08:32.10 | bob2 | fooz: lolz |
| 08:32.14 | fooz | kekeke |
| 08:32.15 | caphuso | no, it failed because it's a damn stupid idea |
| 08:32.23 | holycow | on top of that he's using sid and asking that question, which only deserves that answer |
| 08:32.25 | fooz | caphuso, i like my idea better |
| 08:32.31 | bob2 | Boo looks cool |
| 08:32.35 | bob2 | even better than CL |
| 08:32.41 | fooz | boo? CL? |
| 08:32.56 | peterS | common lisp, presumably. I don't know what boo is |
| 08:32.57 | bob2 | trolling lisp people isn't as fun as it used to be |
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| 08:33.05 | bob2 | http://boo.codehaus.org/ |
| 08:33.18 | valdyn | witless: try a different disk, ideally one by a different manufacturer too |
| 08:33.20 | Overand | bob2: i'd still love a LISP machine just for kicks |
| 08:33.22 | Overand | i don't even do lisp |
| 08:33.27 | bob2 | hah |
| 08:33.33 | fooz | i'd love a lisp machine too.. they look awesome |
| 08:33.35 | Overand | i have a friend who collects 'em |
| 08:33.35 | peterS | garbage collection in hardware |
| 08:33.37 | caphuso | bob2: they're way too many buzzwords on that page |
| 08:33.41 | myren | thanks a dozen fooz + bob2. |
| 08:33.45 | peterS | why can't they make household appliances that have garbage collection in hardware? |
| 08:33.53 | Overand | haha |
| 08:33.53 | fooz | peterS, roomba? |
| 08:33.54 | caphuso | and i haven't started to scroll down yet |
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| 08:34.09 | witless | valdyn: thank *you* |
| 08:34.22 | bob2 | caphuso: it's XML-compliant and J2EE-enabled |
| 08:34.26 | bob2 | or not. |
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| 08:34.33 | peterS | you guys just need to convince sun to make a CLStation |
| 08:34.45 | bob2 | having the "about" page in PDF seems pretty stupid, tho |
| 08:35.09 | fooz | peterS, some lispers are working on a lisp OS of sorts |
| 08:35.13 | fooz | it actually runs |
| 08:35.18 | peterS | yeah, I've heard of it |
| 08:35.19 | caphuso | i think i'll stick too ook! and ignore boo |
| 08:35.19 | bob2 | hah |
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| 08:35.22 | peterS | in fact, I've been using Emacs for several years |
| 08:35.25 | peterS | it's quite usable by now |
| 08:35.33 | bob2 | boom-tish |
| 08:35.39 | fooz | http://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/ |
| 08:35.45 | bob2 | caphuso: not ook#? |
| 08:35.54 | peterS | oh, *another* LISP OS besides emacs? |
| 08:35.58 | peterS | I hadn't heard of that one |
| 08:36.07 | fooz | that's cause you're a noob. you probably code in Boo |
| 08:36.08 | Gorth | Hello. I have Debian working in a VMWare. The network seems to work fine untill today where i did apt-get dist-upgrade. Can see which new package has been updated in the stable repository in the last couple of days? |
| 08:36.11 | fooz | so there. neener |
| 08:36.11 | caphuso | bob2: ook# is just an implementation of ook! |
| 08:36.16 | peterS | yeah, fooz, I probably do |
| 08:36.20 | peterS | or, I mean, I probably doo |
| 08:36.33 | bob2 | Gorth: security.debian.org |
| 08:36.36 | Overand | lisp is a neat concept |
| 08:36.37 | Overand | so is prolog |
| 08:36.38 | Overand | heh |
| 08:36.38 | bob2 | that should show it |
| 08:36.43 | Overand | doesn't mean it's a good idea to base an OS around |
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| 08:36.51 | fooz | Overand, ehhh, why is it not? |
| 08:36.52 | Overand | PrologOS |
| 08:36.55 | Gorth | bob2: thanks.. |
| 08:36.55 | yxa | sorry this might be a little off topic but if i patent an idea in one country and it was infringed in another, will the offenders be liable? |
| 08:37.00 | bob2 | "Ook! is essentially isomorphic to the well-known esoteric language BrainF***" |
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| 08:37.02 | peterS | I think they should make a bootloader out of FORTH |
| 08:37.02 | bob2 | FEAR |
| 08:37.03 | peterS | oh wait, they did |
| 08:37.04 | Overand | yxa: probably not |
| 08:37.05 | rixth | I need help with Cups. I've got a Canon printer setup over a network, but when I go and say print a test page, nothing show's up under jobs, but if I go into Completed Jobs, it shows it was cancelled the second it was created. If I click the restart button, I get client-error-not-possible |
| 08:37.17 | myren | wow, the Disk T@2 thing uses standard discs. i thought it was some etchant on the opposite side of the disk. |
| 08:37.22 | bob2 | yxa: talk to a patent lawyer (I fucking hope they won't be) |
| 08:37.23 | valdyn | yxa: that depends on the country. not in general |
| 08:37.28 | yxa | Overand was just reading abt the immersion vs sony case |
| 08:37.38 | JoshTriplett | myren: Nope, it's some magic with the laser that uses up data space. :) |
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| 08:37.50 | bob2 | yxa: you can do some international patent thing |
| 08:37.55 | fooz | peterS, now they just need to do that for a machine someone actually uses |
| 08:38.01 | markybob_gone | myren i've seen what you mean. they exist, too. |
| 08:38.17 | peterS | fooz: indeed. the PC BIOS vendors need to start supporting OF |
| 08:38.20 | valdyn | yxa: like - the EU has a centralised patent system. Patent in germany and it will be patented in the whole EU, patent in the US and it will probably be only valid there. |
| 08:38.29 | peterS | 'cause, you know, that would rock |
| 08:38.31 | Overand | ugh |
| 08:38.39 | fooz | peterS, bleh.. closed source |
| 08:38.46 | JoshTriplett | rixth: When you set up the printer originally, what drivers did you use? |
| 08:38.47 | simonrvn | peterS: totally (re: OF) |
| 08:38.50 | peterS | fooz: OF is a spec, not an implementation. you can write your own implementation |
| 08:38.53 | JoshTriplett | rixth: One of the foomatic ones? |
| 08:38.57 | yxa | the patent was from the usa. but sony is japanese. but because they sold and in the usa they are liable? |
| 08:38.59 | markybob_gone | myren called "LightScribe" |
| 08:39.04 | fooz | peterS, actually I can't. I can't grok forth |
| 08:39.07 | simonrvn | of is open spec'd |
| 08:39.09 | fooz | hehe |
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| 08:39.20 | bob2 | yxa: er, in that case, they were infringing on the patent in the US |
| 08:39.22 | peterS | fooz: well, point. nor can I. but in principle, you just pull down the IEEE docs and do it |
| 08:39.23 | myren | thanks markybob_gone! |
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| 08:39.28 | acij | hello |
| 08:39.31 | markybob_gone | myren http://h10058.www1.hp.com/digital/entertainment/us/en/lightscribe/home.html |
| 08:39.48 | simonrvn | @open firmware++ |
| 08:39.58 | rixth | The one that linuxprinting.org reccomended, the Gimp Print one (my printer is a Canon BJC3000) |
| 08:40.01 | peterS | fooz: you should write an OF implementation in CL. then flash it in to your lisp machine |
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| 08:40.07 | rixth | CANON BJC 3000 - CUPS+Gimp-Print v4.2.7 |
| 08:40.09 | fooz | i don't have a lisp machine |
| 08:40.13 | peterS | oh yeah |
| 08:40.18 | yxa | bob2 oh well, i guess 80M is peanuts to sony anyway |
| 08:40.29 | valdyn | yxa: Sony "is japanese" by your definition. They do own alot of stuff in the us, so theyre at least partially american ( |
| 08:40.29 | fooz | that would also be a waste of a lisp machine |
| 08:40.42 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Did you download the PPD from linuxprinting.org or get it from Debian? |
| 08:40.44 | acij | wich dns server can i use on debian? |
| 08:40.46 | yxa | valdyn right... |
| 08:40.49 | myren | hmm, daddy wants: http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10122 lightscribe dvd burner |
| 08:40.52 | JoshTriplett | acij: Quite a number of them. |
| 08:40.56 | simonrvn | acij: any one you want |
| 08:41.01 | peterS | acij: debian packages bind v8, bind v9, and several others. take your pick |
| 08:41.11 | simonrvn | i'd recommend bind9 or pdns |
| 08:41.21 | peterS | acij: if you want bind version 4 or djbdns, you're out of luck, though |
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| 08:41.31 | acij | thanks |
| 08:41.32 | valdyn | yxa: sure where you think it gives most money, or costs the least to sue. |
| 08:41.49 | valdyn | s/sure/sue/ |
| 08:41.50 | acij | i'll try to use bind |
| 08:41.58 | rixth | JoshTripplet, I install the Debian package |
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| 08:42.02 | rixth | installed* |
| 08:42.06 | Advance | bob2: u there? |
| 08:42.11 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Hmmm. |
| 08:42.31 | yxa | valdyn i sure hope SCO dont win |
| 08:42.44 | yxa | s/dont/doesnt |
| 08:42.54 | valdyn | yxa: last i read the judge is laughing at them |
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| 08:42.59 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Can you try printing something using "lpr" from the command line? |
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| 08:43.08 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Does that work? |
| 08:43.08 | helix | Advance: why do you keep using different nicks? |
| 08:43.28 | myren | i have the worst luck with most of my optical systems. they all die painfully it seems. :/ |
| 08:43.30 | kyughanum | how can i use the usbdisk in debian? |
| 08:43.39 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 08:43.40 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 08:43.44 | rixth | JoshTripplett, it's a SMB printer |
| 08:43.46 | myren | my DVD drive is like 4 years old, it seems to be barely hanging on |
| 08:43.50 | JoshTriplett | rixth: AH! |
| 08:43.52 | yxa | valdyn good to hear that heh |
| 08:43.55 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Important information. :) |
| 08:44.17 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Alright. Is the printer attached to a Windows or GNU/Linux box? |
| 08:44.27 | peterS | whoa. I thought the 'usb-storage' factoid looked like my writing style. but I didn't remember creating it. (: |
| 08:44.29 | JoshTriplett | rixth: And can you print locally from the box it is attached to? |
| 08:44.36 | rixth | JoshTripplett, I'm not thinking straight in my old age :) Windows, fresh reinstall 2 hours ago. |
| 08:44.41 | kyughanum | have a try |
| 08:44.43 | rixth | Yes, I can print from the XP box |
| 08:44.51 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Hmmm. |
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| 08:46.26 | simonrvn | FFS: http://forums.serverbeach.com/archive/index.php/t-2163.html # kids, do not try this at home |
| 08:46.41 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Do you know your Samba setup works? For example, can you access a share over the network? |
| 08:47.39 | caphuso | what you're going to use to complete nick names and commands? |
| 08:47.42 | caphuso | grr |
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| 08:49.04 | rixth | JoshTripplett, yes, I can access files |
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| 08:50.05 | fooz | omg.. i just now read about the sony thing |
| 08:50.38 | holycow | witless, didn't mean to be offensive, heh just reread my post, basically no one pays attention to unstable (sid) as its meant basically for developers. it's expected that things break and usually you wait a week and they are fixed only for other things to be broken |
| 08:51.02 | holycow | people only really answer sarge questions as it was supposed to be released last year, it's almost kinda stable |
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| 08:52.05 | JoshTriplett | rixth: OK. Now, let's test if you can access the printer. First, create a test file with the command "echo test > testfile". Then, run "DEVICE_URL=smb://servername/printername smbspool 42 yourusername testfile 1 '' testfile". |
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| 08:52.54 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Ideally, that'll cause the printer to do something, hopefully print the word "test" on a page. |
| 08:53.06 | witless | holycow: i use sarge on some servers but when i first installed debian i thought i'd put sid on the desktop |
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| 08:53.09 | rixth | Should I run it as root? |
| 08:53.26 | holycow | witless, *nod* lots of people do that |
| 08:53.30 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Run the second command as root, yes. |
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| 08:54.13 | Zta | Anyone know of a good and userfriendly (=for Windows users) live Linux CD with OpenOffice.org and LaTeX? |
| 08:54.22 | Zta | Is Knoppix the best bet? |
| 08:54.33 | rixth | ERROR: No device URI found in DEVICE_URI environment variable or argv[0] ! |
| 08:54.36 | holycow | try the gnome 2.10 live cd |
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| 08:54.43 | JoshTriplett | Zta: Personally, I'd suggest Ubuntu's live CD, though I don't know if it has LaTeX. |
| 08:54.44 | Overand | Zta: knoppix is decent, gnome livecd is decent |
| 08:54.45 | valdyn | Zta: why would you need linux for those tools? |
| 08:54.53 | rixth | DEVICE_URL=smb://owner/canon smbspool 42 rixth testfile 1 '' testfile |
| 08:54.54 | holycow | or the latest knoppix livecd is fine too |
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| 08:54.58 | Overand | valdyn: it's a good way to show off linux |
| 08:55.08 | Overand | say 'you don't need windows to be able to do ___ ' |
| 08:55.11 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Hmmm. |
| 08:55.22 | witless | JoshTriplett: heh, the ubuntu livecd is what i'm trying to burn |
| 08:55.32 | Zta | valdyn, I know Linux, I don't know Windows. |
| 08:55.33 | holycow | Zta, note: the gnome 2.10 live cd is an ubuntu live cd |
| 08:55.34 | JoshTriplett | rixth: That's "DEVICE_URI", not "DEVICE_URL". :) |
| 08:55.39 | Overand | knoppix may be 'old' but it's still good |
| 08:55.41 | Overand | no gnome though |
| 08:55.42 | Zta | holycow, what's that? |
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| 08:55.47 | Overand | i'd say burn one of each |
| 08:55.48 | holycow | google it |
| 08:55.50 | JoshTriplett | rixth: I as in "I hope this works". :) |
| 08:55.50 | Overand | gnome's a nice envyronment too |
| 08:55.55 | rixth | I just cut n pasted what you wrote :) |
| 08:56.00 | witless | what's different between the ubuntu and gnome 2.10? |
| 08:56.01 | rixth | It is URI |
| 08:56.16 | rixth | ubuntu is a distro, Gnome is a desktop |
| 08:56.17 | bob2 | jesus christ SMB is unreliable over wireless |
| 08:56.18 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Sure enough, I wrote URL. My bad. :) |
| 08:56.26 | Overand | yeah, but there's a "gnome livecd" |
| 08:56.27 | witless | no, i mean the livecd's |
| 08:56.28 | Overand | apparently |
| 08:56.30 | Overand | i was unaware of it |
| 08:56.38 | Overand | i'd say give the ubuntu disk a try |
| 08:56.40 | Overand | and the knoppix disc |
| 08:56.41 | rixth | JoshTripplett, oh, I missed it too ^_^ |
| 08:56.43 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Use the same command I first gave you, but use "DEVICE_URI". :) |
| 08:56.44 | Zta | holycow, You could just had answered "Linux Distro". |
| 08:56.49 | witless | don't much care for kde |
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| 08:56.55 | valdyn | or "Gnoppix" |
| 08:56.58 | Overand | witless: knoppix has iceWM, fluxbox, etc |
| 08:56.59 | holycow | Zta, yes but google gives you so much more knowledge :) |
| 08:57.04 | Zta | =) |
| 08:57.07 | rixth | NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 08:57.16 | bob2 | I would guess the gnome live cd is ubuntu |
| 08:57.21 | witless | brb |
| 08:57.22 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Ah. :) |
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| 08:57.30 | Zta | Knoppix is the only debian-based live cd? |
| 08:57.31 | rixth | ATleast I know an error now, all it says on the web admin of cups is Printer State: idle, accepting jobs. |
| 08:57.39 | bob2 | Zta: no |
| 08:57.48 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Another question: do you have other Windows machines, and can they print over the network? |
| 08:57.49 | holycow | witless, gnome2.10 runs on ubuntu ... hmm... i may be confusing it with the official live ubuntu cd, check up on it, the linkage is on google |
| 08:58.00 | bob2 | holycow: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.10/ |
| 08:58.09 | Zta | bob2, ok |
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| 08:58.16 | rixth | DEVICE_URI=smb://Sandi:@owner/canon smbspool 42 rixth testfile 1 '' testfile that gave no errors. There is one user on the xp box, Sandi but it has no password |
| 08:58.22 | Zta | bob2, Do you know any others? |
| 08:58.23 | rixth | I'll go check the rpinter |
| 08:58.27 | bob2 | Zta: ubuntu's |
| 08:58.29 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Cool. |
| 08:58.33 | holycow | Zta, well knoppix is actually one of the first live cd's and it happened to be based on debian, subsequently most live cd's are debian based |
| 08:58.47 | JoshTriplett | rixth: And nice initiative; that's what I was going to suggest. :) |
| 08:58.51 | holycow | exceptions being gentoo and suse live cd's i guess, maybe others i'm not aware of |
| 08:59.00 | holycow | most just poach knoppix' work tho |
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| 08:59.12 | bob2 | note ubuntu's is not based on knoppix |
| 08:59.21 | holycow | what bob2 said, yeah |
| 08:59.38 | peterS | interestingly, the first live CD I heard of was the linuxcare BBC (now lnx-bbc). which was also, I believe, based on debian |
| 08:59.54 | bob2 | GAR |
| 09:00.13 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Unfortunately, they update more rarely than Debian does. :) |
| 09:00.26 | bob2 | or was that not lnx-bbc? |
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| 09:00.38 | Zta | holycow, ok |
| 09:01.10 | rixth | Nothing at the printer end, I'll change the config on the cups web admin, I'll try and print a test page |
| 09:01.13 | Zta | Oh Ubuntu is Debian based too? It doesn't say so very clearly.. |
| 09:01.20 | bob2 | Zta: yes |
| 09:01.29 | Zta | ..on the front page =) |
| 09:01.30 | JoshTriplett | rixth: It's possible that the data was sent but the printer doesn't understand a plain text submission. |
| 09:01.45 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Definitely try supplying the username and password to the CUPS tool. |
| 09:01.52 | bob2 | Zta: does on the "about" page |
| 09:01.57 | Zta | bob2, yes |
| 09:01.58 | holycow | Zta, yeah, most linux project don't have marketing whores putting bullshit all over the damned sites thankfully :) |
| 09:02.05 | rixth | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.06 | rixth | Mon 28 Mar 2005 09:03:43 PM GMT-11 |
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| 09:02.22 | streuner | Are we here in #ubuntu? :-) |
| 09:02.23 | rixth | It cancels straight away, but I don't knwo WHAT is cancellign it. |
| 09:02.31 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Most likely an error. |
| 09:02.42 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Did you try giving CUPS the username and password? |
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| 09:02.57 | holycow | hola streuner |
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| 09:03.05 | streuner | holycow: moo! |
| 09:03.08 | Zta | holycow, bah. I consider it an important piece of info =) |
| 09:03.35 | rixth | JoshTriplett, I remember in the past, I got a package that had HUNDREDS of printer drivers in it (it wasn't GImp Print) and thats waht worked for me. But I've recently done a reinstall, and cannot remember the package, nor can I find them in apt-cache search. |
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| 09:03.50 | holycow | Zta, stick around, you will absorb all the knowldge through osmosis :) |
| 09:03.53 | rixth | JoshTriplett, still no go, the tet page was still cancelled right away./ |
| 09:04.03 | peterS | rixth: something related to foomatic, I'll wager |
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| 09:04.10 | karol | I deleted some files on accident... |
| 09:04.11 | valdyn | rixth: "foomatic-gui" is very nice to detect and setup remote printers. Cups spits errors to /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 09:04.17 | Zta | holycow, hah =) |
| 09:04.22 | karol | anyone know how to undelete |
| 09:04.29 | kyughanum | nslookup www.qdieurope.com |
| 09:04.45 | rixth | peterS, valdyn, I'll take a look |
| 09:04.46 | karol | on reiserfs without resorting to reiserfsck --rebuild-tree |
| 09:04.52 | kyughanum | how can i use it in this IRC? |
| 09:04.58 | kyughanum | nslookup www.qdieurope.com |
| 09:04.58 | kyughanum | how can i use it in this IRC? |
| 09:05.03 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Ah; install foomatic-filters-ppds. |
| 09:05.07 | kyughanum | ~nslookup www.qdieurope.com |
| 09:05.08 | JoshTriplett | kyughanum: You can't. :) |
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| 09:05.22 | holycow | karol, i think thats the only way, just make sure you have a second hd to dump the data to maybe? |
| 09:05.31 | kyughanum | why~~i can use it in other IRG |
| 09:05.48 | holycow | i think hans mentioned something a while back about building more tools if someone pays for it :) |
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| 09:05.51 | valdyn | kyughanum: type it in your shell or type /exec nslookup blah |
| 09:06.01 | JoshTriplett | kyughanum: I stand corrected; apparently apt supports that. :) |
| 09:06.13 | Ragan | The URL in <unace> dpkg isn't valid anymore. The new URL to it download is 'http://www.maxeline.com/download89/' |
| 09:06.13 | rixth | JoshTriplett, I've got to et 7mb of archives, hold tight |
| 09:06.14 | kyughanum | im use winxp now |
| 09:06.27 | JoshTriplett | rixth: *nod*; it has a ton of PPDs. |
| 09:06.40 | JoshTriplett | kyughanum: One might ask why you are in #debian then. :) |
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| 09:07.06 | karol | holycow: well, the good news is that i freed up 5 gigabytes |
| 09:07.10 | amorphix | does anyone know how to wakeup a Toshiba Satellite Pro thats gone into sleep mode? |
| 09:07.20 | rixth | Mean while, take a look at my aweseom text to png thing ^_^ http://spectrumenterprises.no-ip.org/playground/php/texttoimage/input.html and admire the pretty girl at http://spectrumenterprises.no-ip.org/blog |
| 09:07.25 | kyughanum | use winxp~~that's my job |
| 09:07.26 | Ragan | Can anyone change that in dpkg please? |
| 09:07.46 | holycow | amorphix, shout really loud? |
| 09:07.48 | holycow | >_> |
| 09:07.54 | holycow | <_< |
| 09:07.57 | JoshTriplett | Ragan: You need to file a bug in the Debian BTS, or at least mail the maintainer if you don't know how to file a bug. |
| 09:08.03 | holycow | -.- |
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| 09:08.10 | Ragan | JoshTriplett, the dpkg bot =) |
| 09:08.16 | amorphix | had to be one eh |
| 09:08.18 | JoshTriplett | Ragan: Oh. :) |
| 09:08.26 | holycow | amorphix, press the power button |
| 09:08.26 | JoshTriplett | !unace |
| 09:08.26 | dpkg | well, unace is available as a non-free, statically-linked binary from http://www.maxeline.com/winace/linunace22.tgz |
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| 09:08.34 | Ragan | The right URL is http://www.maxeline.com/download89/ |
| 09:08.45 | amorphix | doesnt seem to work :( i think it's in resume mode |
| 09:09.03 | JoshTriplett | Ragan: Actually, a Free version of unace is now packaged in the package "unace". :) |
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| 09:09.15 | Ragan | JoshTriplett, when you download it from the current location and open it as text you can see the new redirected URL |
| 09:09.16 | rixth | Ahaha. I see 15 people went to link that said \admire the pretty girl'. Heh. |
| 09:09.28 | JoshTriplett | !no, unace is Free Software replacement available, apt-get install unace |
| 09:09.29 | Ragan | JoshTriplett, well, it doesn't support V2 |
| 09:09.41 | rixth | JoshTriplett, got those ppds, now waht? GO re-setup in CUPS? |
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| 09:10.29 | caphuso | i can't remember the last time i've seen an ace archive |
| 09:10.32 | Overand | yeah |
| 09:10.36 | Overand | ace isn't common |
| 09:10.36 | JoshTriplett | Ragan: If you "/msg dpkg no, factoid is newtext", that'll do it. Please see the text I've replaced it with first, though. |
| 09:10.40 | amorphix | is it possible to install Debian from HDD from a Windows partition with no bootable CD drive? |
| 09:10.55 | caphuso | amorphix: sure, use floppies |
| 09:10.58 | Overand | interesting question |
| 09:11.03 | Overand | actually |
| 09:11.05 | Overand | it should be possible |
| 09:11.11 | amorphix | it should eh |
| 09:11.14 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Try just looking through and seeing if there's a driver that looks promising. |
| 09:11.15 | Overand | does the kernel in d-i support vfat? |
| 09:11.22 | JoshTriplett | Overand: AFAIK. |
| 09:11.26 | Overand | er |
| 09:11.27 | Overand | not vfat |
| 09:11.29 | Overand | what the ll is it called |
| 09:11.39 | Ragan | JoshTriplett, okay |
| 09:11.40 | holycow | ntfs? |
| 09:11.40 | Overand | the 'virtual' linux filesystem that lives in DOS diretories with horrible filename |
| 09:11.43 | caphuso | umsdos? that's dead |
| 09:11.47 | Overand | is it? |
| 09:11.50 | Overand | gosh |
| 09:11.51 | caphuso | pretty much |
| 09:11.51 | Overand | what a shame |
| 09:11.52 | Overand | heh |
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| 09:12.18 | rixth | JoshTriplett, this is what I had earlier, I'm getting status-denied again though >_< |
| 09:12.27 | smsmasters | Does anyone know how to add the computer name in debian? My router says UNKNOWN as the name for my pc. |
| 09:12.29 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Hmmmmmm. |
| 09:12.42 | tzafrir | Overand, use a loopback-mounted file system |
| 09:13.04 | tzafrir | smsmasters, add to where? |
| 09:13.12 | smsmasters | add a computer name |
| 09:13.16 | amorphix | rixth: edit host in /etc? |
| 09:13.19 | Overand | it should be entirely possible to do it |
| 09:13.35 | Overand | amorphix: you might just want to bootstrap the debian installer 'floppies' |
| 09:13.36 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Two possibilities: 1) Your router looks at DHCP hostnames; you can set that in the dhcp config file. 2) Your router looks at SMB hostnames; install and configure Samba and run nmbd. |
| 09:13.49 | amorphix | Overand: thanks, i will try that option |
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| 09:13.59 | smsmasters | Where is the DHCP config file please? |
| 09:14.05 | smsmasters | what command shall I run |
| 09:14.09 | rixth | amorphix, what do you mean? Well, I do know waht you mean, but U've already set up 'owner' to poit to 192.168.0.4 |
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| 09:14.42 | Lorvija | Whats good command line music player which can play .pls files? |
| 09:15.00 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Depends on the dhcp client you have installed. Look for something like /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf or /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. |
| 09:15.08 | smsmasters | ok, thank u Josh |
| 09:15.11 | helix | Lorvija: xmms or beep-media-player |
| 09:15.23 | Overand | Lorvija: a .pls file is just a playlist |
| 09:15.24 | Lorvija | is xmms command line? |
| 09:15.32 | Lorvija | Overand i know.. |
| 09:15.35 | helix | Lorvija: there's an xmms-shell or something |
| 09:15.36 | Overand | Lorvija: just for kicks, you should check out MPD |
| 09:15.39 | Overand | you ever used MPD? |
| 09:15.48 | Lorvija | helix okay thanks |
| 09:15.48 | smsmasters | It can't find those dhcp dirs? |
| 09:15.51 | Lorvija | Overand nope |
| 09:15.51 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Edit the file, and look for a commented-out example line with "send host-name"; that should tell you. |
| 09:15.55 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Hmmm. |
| 09:15.57 | Overand | http://www.musicpd.org/ |
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| 09:16.03 | Overand | Lorvija: it's "music player daemon" |
| 09:16.04 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Unfortunately there are a lot of dhcp clients in Debian. |
| 09:16.05 | Overand | it's a great app |
| 09:16.08 | smsmasters | I think SMB is more likely |
| 09:16.09 | Overand | very worth checking out |
| 09:16.16 | smsmasters | SMB = WINDOWS FILE SHARING? |
| 09:16.17 | Lorvija | Overand okay thanks i'll check it out |
| 09:16.20 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: *nod* |
| 09:16.30 | Overand | Lorvija: it's really designed for running either 'across the network' on am usic server |
| 09:16.33 | smsmasters | Ok, how do I install and configure Samba please? |
| 09:16.35 | peterS | smsmasters: SMB IS MORE THAN JUST WINDOWS FILE SHARING, BUT YES, BASICALLY |
| 09:16.44 | Overand | or running as a daemon on a box you go into and out of X on a lot |
| 09:16.45 | Overand | it's good |
| 09:16.46 | Lorvija | Overand well thats what im gonna do.. =) |
| 09:16.49 | helix | telegram time |
| 09:16.52 | rixth | smsmasters, do you want to serve files, or get them? |
| 09:16.53 | holycow | peterS, hehe :) |
| 09:17.00 | helix | Lorvija: mpd is in debian btw |
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| 09:17.01 | smsmasters | just get |
| 09:17.02 | Mash | hello |
| 09:17.07 | JoshTriplett | rixth: He wants to make his machine broadcast an SMB name. :) |
| 09:17.09 | Lorvija | helix yea just installing =) |
| 09:17.10 | Overand | Lorvija: there are windows and *nix clients |
| 09:17.11 | Overand | it's great |
| 09:17.16 | rixth | JoshTriplett, heh heh |
| 09:17.21 | Lorvija | Overand thanks, i'll give it a try |
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| 09:17.23 | smsmasters | I just want to make a name show up |
| 09:17.37 | rixth | smsmasters, apt-get install smbclient |
| 09:17.37 | Lorvija | Overand: sounds just what i've been looking for (: |
| 09:17.38 | peterS | why wonder when you can ask? |
| 09:17.42 | peterS | oh wait, that would be too direct |
| 09:17.45 | Overand | it's a great app |
| 09:17.47 | Overand | php frontend too |
| 09:17.56 | JoshTriplett | rixth, smsmasters: That's the client; you need the server. |
| 09:18.07 | smsmasters | grrr, i just isntalled it |
| 09:18.14 | asuffield_ | I can't imagine why anybody would want a php frontend |
| 09:18.24 | rixth | JoshTriplett, he wants to get files off samba servers, not serve them |
| 09:18.26 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: I strongly suggest looking into the DHCP client first; I think that's the most likely thing your router is checking. |
| 09:18.41 | smsmasters | Ok, I really don't know how to go about that? |
| 09:18.42 | JoshTriplett | rixth: No, he wants to make his router know his machine's name. |
| 09:19.07 | rixth | OhMyAchinLap, I see! Take a look at the broadcast address in /etc/netowkr/interfaces |
| 09:19.11 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Can you try this: "dpkg -l \*dhcp\*". Paste the result to #flood |
| 09:19.21 | rixth | OmMyAchinLap? Okay then! |
| 09:19.32 | smsmasters | wait, how do i cancel an install? |
| 09:19.38 | rixth | ctrl+z |
| 09:19.40 | Antismurff_ | what band router is it? |
| 09:19.44 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Ctrl-C. |
| 09:19.48 | JoshTriplett | rixth: That's suspend. |
| 09:20.09 | smsmasters | How do I paste the result to #flood? |
| 09:20.11 | rixth | JoshTripplet, works for me, except then I ge t'There are stopped jobs' when I exit |
| 09:20.27 | valdyn | rixth: so it obviously doesnt work |
| 09:20.29 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Yes; that's not a good plan. |
| 09:20.30 | rixth | smsmasters, type /join #flood |
| 09:20.48 | rixth | JoshTripplet, ctrl+c from now on? |
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| 09:20.52 | JoshTriplett | rixth: *nod* |
| 09:21.04 | rixth | tomb0y, nice host ^_^ |
| 09:21.22 | smsmasters | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 09:21.22 | smsmasters | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 09:21.22 | smsmasters | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 09:21.22 | smsmasters | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 09:21.22 | smsmasters | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 09:21.36 | bob2 | well, that was silly |
| 09:21.37 | Active2 | hmm is there a possibility to let apt-get install the Suggests or Recommends ? |
| 09:21.38 | valdyn | !moron smsmasters |
| 09:21.39 | rixth | "Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED" grrrrrrrr |
| 09:21.39 | dpkg | smsmasters: You are moron #76 |
| 09:21.43 | Overand | man |
| 09:21.49 | Overand | if you can't figure out how to get from one channel to another |
| 09:21.53 | Overand | debian is not the right OS for ya |
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| 09:21.57 | holycow | rixth, lol well your on the right track |
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| 09:22.03 | rixth | Dadyy daddy! I wanna be a statistic too! |
| 09:22.04 | rixth | j |
| 09:22.08 | rixth | j |
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| 09:22.12 | Overand | sigh. |
| 09:22.16 | JoshTriplett | That was stupid... |
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| 09:22.21 | amorphix | sheesh |
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| 09:22.27 | JoshTriplett | !moron rixth |
| 09:22.28 | dpkg | rixth: You are moron #28 |
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| 09:22.38 | JoshTriplett | rixth: I could have done that for you without you flooding the channel. :) |
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| 09:22.49 | smsmasters | Hi, how do I get disconnected? |
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| 09:22.53 | smsmasters | When I paste a lot of text |
| 09:22.54 | rixth | Aww, I though it was an automated thing! |
| 09:22.58 | Yop | hello ! |
| 09:22.58 | Yop | I'm making a debian paquet with a patched version of iptables. My problem is that i can't put it in /patches because a file created with diff doesn't have the +x attr. does somebody can help me ? |
| 09:22.59 | Overand | smsmasters: don't paste it here |
| 09:23.01 | Overand | paste it in #flood |
| 09:23.08 | smsmasters | I pasted it in #flood, but I still get disconnected |
| 09:23.14 | bob2 | smsmasters: your IRC client is shit |
| 09:23.17 | Overand | smsmasters: no, you pasted it in here |
| 09:23.19 | bob2 | use irssi like a normal person |
| 09:23.22 | JoshTriplett | Overand: Actually, it seems he did get disconnected when pasting in #flood too. |
| 09:23.23 | helix | rixth: why did you do that? |
| 09:23.24 | rixth | NT_STATUS_DENIED making me murderous! |
| 09:23.30 | bob2 | Overand: he/she got booted fro mthe network because it's client is broken |
| 09:23.32 | Overand | that's odd |
| 09:23.36 | rixth | helix, I wanted to be a statistic |
| 09:23.38 | holycow | thats just the path or user/pass being wrong |
| 09:23.38 | Overand | it's mIRC |
| 09:23.39 | Overand | it's bad |
| 09:23.44 | Overand | but it shouldn't be *that* bad |
| 09:23.45 | Overand | oh |
| 09:23.45 | Overand | right |
| 09:23.48 | Overand | it's got ass flood control |
| 09:23.49 | smsmasters | ii dhcp-client 2.0pl5-11woody DHCP Client |
| 09:23.52 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: You'll have to paste one line at a time. I only need the lines after the ===========. |
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| 09:23.53 | smsmasters | I have that, and other lines |
| 09:23.57 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Perfect. |
| 09:24.03 | smsmasters | the rest have none |
| 09:24.07 | Overand | just do it one line at a time in #flood |
| 09:24.08 | smsmasters | <none> |
| 09:24.12 | smsmasters | ok hang on |
| 09:24.22 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: No, nevermind on that. |
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| 09:24.31 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: You already supplied the important line. |
| 09:24.36 | smsmasters | ok thanks |
| 09:24.54 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Now, "dpkg -L dhcp-client | grep /etc". |
| 09:25.46 | rixth | JoshTriplett, could me error be something on the NT end of things? I mean, like, iut not accepting passes right? |
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| 09:25.53 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Definitely. |
| 09:25.54 | smsmasters | ok hang on |
| 09:26.02 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Can any other Windows machines print to the printer? |
| 09:26.02 | rixth | I'm gonna go make a user on the nt machine called print. bbs |
| 09:26.06 | smsmasters | /etc |
| 09:26.11 | smsmasters | /etc/dhclient-script |
| 09:26.15 | smsmasters | /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 09:26.16 | rixth | Only got one win machine :D |
| 09:26.20 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: There we go. |
| 09:26.27 | smsmasters | Ok, what shall I do now please/ |
| 09:26.34 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Ah; can't say that's a bad thing. :) |
| 09:26.39 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 09:26.51 | smsmasters | bash: /etc/dhclient.conf: Permission denied |
| 09:26.59 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: As root. :) |
| 09:27.04 | Overand | and don't use "edit" |
| 09:27.06 | smsmasters | I am |
| 09:27.07 | Overand | use nano or something |
| 09:27.11 | bob2 | no, you're not |
| 09:27.16 | smsmasters | Nexus:~# |
| 09:27.17 | Overand | no such thing as 'permission denied' if you're root |
| 09:27.22 | Overand | hrm |
| 09:27.24 | bob2 | Overand: yes there is |
| 09:27.29 | bob2 | Overand: if they disk is fucked |
| 09:27.34 | Overand | oh |
| 09:27.37 | Overand | he may be mounted ro |
| 09:27.38 | Overand | not rw |
| 09:27.47 | Overand | which would explain a lot of problems |
| 09:27.48 | Overand | heh |
| 09:27.52 | rixth | JoshTriplett, smb://print:print@owner/canon is that the right snytax? |
| 09:28.04 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Can you "touch /tmp/foo"? |
| 09:28.04 | smsmasters | Josh how do I edit the dhclient.conf file |
| 09:28.18 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Assuming the user and password are both "print", yes. |
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| 09:28.21 | Overand | smsmasters: is your hard drive mounted read/write? |
| 09:28.23 | smsmasters | I put touch /tmp/foo nothing happeend |
| 09:28.27 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: That's good. |
| 09:28.29 | smsmasters | Of course my HD is mounted |
| 09:28.30 | JoshTriplett | Overand: Apparently. |
| 09:28.34 | Overand | yeah |
| 09:28.38 | Overand | if touching didn't throw an error |
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| 09:28.48 | Overand | then why the heck can't he edit /etc/whatever |
| 09:28.49 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Ok, you're at a root prompt? |
| 09:28.56 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Type "nano /etc/dhclient.conf". |
| 09:28.57 | smsmasters | yes Nexus:~# |
| 09:29.07 | smsmasters | worked |
| 09:29.10 | Overand | insert a line, and 'control-o' to write out |
| 09:29.15 | Overand | just to see if it'll let you write |
| 09:29.24 | smsmasters | Josh, what shall I do please |
| 09:29.49 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: As Overand said, press enter and then press Ctrl-o, to check that you'll be able to write out the file. |
| 09:30.01 | smsmasters | File Name to write: /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 09:30.10 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Press enter at that prompt. |
| 09:30.11 | rixth | No error, now in completed jobs: CanonBJC3000-10 Test Page root 15k aborted |
| 09:30.14 | smsmasters | ok |
| 09:30.17 | smsmasters | done |
| 09:30.48 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Cool. Now, look for a line like: send host-name "something"; |
| 09:30.54 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: It may be commented out. |
| 09:31.10 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Is that a good thing? |
| 09:31.12 | JoshTriplett | rixth: :) |
| 09:31.14 | smsmasters | #send host-name "andare.fugue.com"; |
| 09:31.24 | rixth | JoshTriplett, me thinks not! |
| 09:31.32 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: *nod*; now, uncomment it (remove the #) and change the sample to your desired hostname. |
| 09:31.43 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Hmmm. |
| 09:32.07 | smsmasters | ok, how do i save |
| 09:32.11 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Try smbspool again. Write something large to the printer, just to see if you can get a reaction. |
| 09:32.18 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Ctrl-O again. |
| 09:32.29 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: (Note that all the help is at the bottom two lines.) |
| 09:32.37 | Overand | how expensive is Jose Cuervo? is it expensive or cheap? |
| 09:32.56 | smsmasters | ok, should I restart something? |
| 09:33.10 | bob2 | Overand: cheap |
| 09:33.15 | bob2 | but I don't mind it |
| 09:33.18 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: *nod*. "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0". |
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| 09:34.04 | Overand | bob2: it's actually fairly decent, i'm surprised |
| 09:34.22 | Overand | i've got limited experience with tequila though |
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| 09:34.23 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Sorry I couldn't help you solve your problem. |
| 09:34.28 | bob2 | Overand: heh, me too |
| 09:34.30 | JoshTriplett | rixth: Good luck with it though. |
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| 09:34.37 | smsmasters | argh, my router still says unknown |
| 09:34.44 | rixth | JoshTriplett, thats ok, you certainly put in alot of effort, thanks :) |
| 09:35.26 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Hmmm. |
| 09:35.34 | smsmasters | I think it is SMB |
| 09:35.36 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Might be SMB then, or might be something else entirely. |
| 09:35.44 | smsmasters | How do I try SMB please |
| 09:35.55 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: You can try installing the package "samba". |
| 09:36.06 | smsmasters | ok, apt-get samba? |
| 09:36.09 | smsmasters | apt-get install samba |
| 09:36.11 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: *nod* |
| 09:36.24 | Lorvija | hmm, if i want to fix sounds working i should install salsa? |
| 09:36.25 | smsmasters | Will that also let me read/write to windows pcs |
| 09:36.51 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Samba can do that, yes. |
| 09:36.52 | peterS | smsmasters: other way around. *from* your windows pcs, you can read/write stuff on your linux box |
| 09:37.04 | smsmasters | daemons or inetd |
| 09:37.10 | peterS | smsmasters: to use the windows pcs as your file *servers*, you need the 'smbclient' or 'smbmount' packages |
| 09:37.13 | peterS | daemons |
| 09:37.22 | smsmasters | create samba pass db? |
| 09:37.31 | peterS | hmmmm. probably yes. |
| 09:37.35 | caphuso | that gnome survey mentioned on osnews is very bad joke |
| 09:37.41 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Accept the default. |
| 09:37.48 | smsmasters | ok, installing |
| 09:37.50 | tomb0y | long time ago, i setup a lvm that did like /dev/sda /dev/sdb etc.. well im restarting it from scratch, so this time i made a real partition first /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 etc, i did pvcreate on the new ones.. now its pvscan shows /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 how do i get it to remove the old ones ? |
| 09:38.35 | smsmasters | Installed now :-) |
| 09:38.36 | peterS | tomb0y: hrrm. try starting over with a blank partition table: 'cfdisk -z /dev/sda' etc. |
| 09:38.45 | rixth | Can anyone help me with some domain help (as in .org, .com etc) in #rixth (keep it out of the main channel) :) |
| 09:39.22 | tomb0y | peterS: will try |
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| 09:39.31 | Longkong | hi |
| 09:39.33 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: I dunno how to make the router check your box again, but when it does that may work. |
| 09:39.33 | peterS | bob2: window number 301? do it |
| 09:39.41 | bob2 | haha |
| 09:39.44 | Longkong | How di I disable ipv6 for all Interfaces? |
| 09:39.48 | bob2 | peterS: I've hit the OPN channel limit |
| 09:39.51 | bob2 | Longkong: why? |
| 09:39.52 | peterS | bob2: oh, right |
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| 09:39.56 | JoshTriplett | bob2: You're serious? :) |
| 09:40.04 | Longkong | bob2: I think it could cause problems with vpn |
| 09:40.04 | streuner | rixth: ask the question here, we aren't care much :-) |
| 09:40.05 | bob2 | JoshTriplett: yes |
| 09:40.10 | JoshTriplett | kyncani: That's scary. |
| 09:40.12 | smsmasters | OMG, it WORKSSS |
| 09:40.16 | smsmasters | I LOVE U JOSH, THANK U |
| 09:40.22 | JoshTriplett | kyncani: Sorry, wrong person. |
| 09:40.23 | Lorvija | how can i see what soundcard i got? (: |
| 09:40.27 | JoshTriplett | bob2: That's scary. |
| 09:40.29 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: :) |
| 09:40.30 | fooz | I'm Always give you my Love! |
| 09:40.31 | smsmasters | Thank u for ur help everyone, I really appreciate it |
| 09:40.35 | bob2 | JoshTriplett: it's only 20 |
| 09:40.44 | rixth | All my love is belong to you! |
| 09:40.47 | JoshTriplett | Lorvija: Try "lspci". |
| 09:40.50 | streuner | Lorvija: use 'lspci' |
| 09:40.53 | pingouin_ | andddd iiiiiiiiii wiiiiillll aaaalllllwwaaaayyyyyss looooooooOOOOvvveeee UUUUUUU |
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| 09:41.00 | Lorvija | ok thanks JoshTriplett and staniel |
| 09:41.04 | JoshTriplett | bob2: Slightly less scary, but still scary. :) |
| 09:41.13 | peterS | ** pingouin_ has quit: excess flood |
| 09:41.28 | smsmasters | I love Debian |
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| 09:41.45 | smsmasters | Are there any scripts which display server load averages, apache status, in a php page? |
| 09:41.48 | pingouin_ | peterS: one line flood ? :) dont love my voice ;) |
| 09:42.02 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: Only about twelve thousand. :) |
| 09:42.04 | peterS | pingouin_: more to do with the song than your voice. don't take it personally. (: |
| 09:42.12 | smsmasters | Which script do u recommend? |
| 09:42.15 | pingouin_ | love is on #debian ;) |
| 09:42.27 | Lorvija | http://oma.sytes.net/kamaa/sound.txt <-- none of those is soundcard, right? |
| 09:42.34 | smsmasters | Debian is so much faster compared to Windows |
| 09:43.03 | peterS | Lorvija: correct. it would say 'multimedia audio controller...' |
| 09:43.11 | streuner | Lorvija: use paster for that, please. (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 09:43.56 | smsmasters | Which script do u recommend |
| 09:44.00 | Lorvija | peterS well if i got soundcard connected to my machine why doesnt it show there? |
| 09:44.24 | peterS | Lorvija: two possibilities. one, it's not a PCI device. two, it's a motherboard device and disabled in your BIOS setup |
| 09:44.38 | smsmasters | what does updatedb do? |
| 09:44.41 | streuner | Lorvija: so just enable it in BIOS |
| 09:44.44 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: I don't have a recommendation; I don't use one. |
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| 09:45.09 | Lorvija | ahh crap... cant restart that server.. :/ ow well gotta remember to do that on next boot.. |
| 09:45.11 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: It lists all the files on your system in a database, so that you can run "locate filename" and find a file quickly. |
| 09:45.28 | smsmasters | Nice |
| 09:45.29 | streuner | smsmasters: it update the db for locate? (whoa) :-) |
| 09:45.36 | JoshTriplett | smsmasters: However, if you don't use locate, then it just slows down your system, and you should turn it off. :) |
| 09:45.47 | smsmasters | Are there commands which spring clean Debian? |
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| 09:46.22 | Eclipser | `apt-get autoclean` ?-p |
| 09:46.33 | peterS | there are 'debfoster', 'deborphan' and 'cruft'. those don't automatically clean anything, just sort of let you know what you might want to clean up yourself |
| 09:46.37 | peterS | relating to the packaging system |
| 09:46.51 | Longkong | How can I disable ipv6 on a interface? |
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| 09:47.08 | streuner | Longkong: /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 09:47.20 | asuffield | Longkong: by not doing whatever you did to enable it |
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| 09:47.31 | Longkong | it was automatically enabled |
| 09:47.33 | Longkong | I did nothing |
| 09:47.39 | Eclipser | sarge installer did that to me |
| 09:47.40 | asuffield | Longkong: you are not using Debian |
| 09:47.51 | Eclipser | asuffield, pft |
| 09:47.55 | bob2 | asuffield: er, sarge's kernels include ipv6 support by default |
| 09:47.59 | Eclipser | yep |
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| 09:48.02 | bob2 | asuffield: and setup link-local addresses on boot |
| 09:48.04 | smsmasters | anymore? |
| 09:48.07 | Longkong | asuffield: I AM using debian (sarge) |
| 09:48.10 | llama32 | whats a package with lots of fonts? |
| 09:48.17 | asuffield | bob2: stupid, but that's hardly 'enabled' |
| 09:48.37 | bob2 | asuffield: ? that's plenty enabled |
| 09:48.50 | bob2 | I don't think Longkong has a good reason for disabling them, but it is setup already |
| 09:48.54 | smsmasters | Is it CHown? |
| 09:48.55 | ixi | Hi. I try to start hlds Counter-strike server but got next error: "WARNING: UDP_OpenSocket: port: 27019 bind: Cannot assign requested address". Is it because of insuffucient permissions? |
| 09:48.59 | smsmasters | What is the command |
| 09:49.26 | bob2 | ixi: not unless you're using a patched kernel |
| 09:49.35 | llama32 | how do i get lots of fonts? ive only got about 15 very basic ones... |
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| 09:49.53 | Eclipser | apt-cache search font |
| 09:49.58 | asuffield | bob2: unroutable, and with the wrong IP address. that's not a functional ipv6 interface |
| 09:49.58 | asuffield | it's just a toy |
| 09:49.59 | Eclipser | apt-cache search ttf |
| 09:50.01 | Eclipser | etc |
| 09:50.03 | smsmasters | what happens if u run Chown -? |
| 09:50.16 | llama32 | Eclipser: wow didnt think of that thx |
| 09:50.19 | peterS | Eclipser: now now, that's pretty broad. apt-cache search xfonts-; apt-cache search ttf- |
| 09:50.31 | Eclipser | true... |
| 09:51.07 | ixi | bob2: not patched - just 2.6.9. So why UDP_OpenSocket couldn't be binded? |
| 09:51.40 | rixth | Ok, I have a Apache server on my computer (http://60.234.142.58) and I have my domain name (www.spectrumenterprises.org) registered with GoDaddy. If I go to www.spectrumenterprises.org I go to my idex page, if I go to www.spectrumenterprises.org/blog I go to my index page and the URL in the address abr changes back to www.spcetrumenterprises.org. Whhy does it do that/how can I fix it? |
| 09:52.02 | Plugster | how do i remive and prg from apt-get? i mean an installation went wrong, and now everytime i tries to install it anyway... |
| 09:52.18 | peterS | rixth: it seems you have a redirect in your httpd.conf file, or elsewhere |
| 09:52.21 | Eclipser | rixth, did you try #apache ? |
| 09:52.23 | peterS | rixth: you must have put it there |
| 09:52.37 | peterS | rixth: also, as Eclipser hints, this is not likely to be a debian-specific problem |
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| 09:53.13 | rixth | I asked if peolle would join my channel if they wanted t help, but i was just told to go ahead and ask |
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| 09:53.29 | asuffield | it's a DNS problem, but anyway, offtopic |
| 09:53.52 | Eclipser | rixth, did you ask?-p |
| 09:54.33 | Eclipser | Plugster, apt-get remove program |
| 09:54.40 | Eclipser | possibly with --purge |
| 09:54.45 | BadMan | I currently have kde 3.3.2 how can I tell from apt-cache search what kde is available(running sarge) |
| 09:54.49 | rixth | streuner rixth: ask the question here, we aren't care much :-) |
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| 09:54.51 | Plugster | dont' work i have tried |
| 09:54.59 | Eclipser | info kde sarge |
| 09:55.02 | Plugster | only get the same error |
| 09:55.11 | smsmasters | Hi, im using postfix, why do I get an error when I try to send email? Relay denied something... |
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| 09:55.28 | Eclipser | Plugster, well then, what error? |
| 09:55.32 | Plugster | /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.postinst: /etc/init.d/bind: No such file or directory |
| 09:55.58 | Plugster | i created a file named bind under init.d but the i got an permisino error |
| 09:55.59 | chealer | BadMan: /j #debian-kde |
| 09:56.23 | BadMan | chealer: I amw ondering how to determine what version is available via apt? |
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| 09:56.36 | BadMan | not what I can upgrade by building theirs |
| 09:56.37 | Eclipser | BadMan, apt-cache show package |
| 09:56.49 | BadMan | ok, thanks |
| 09:57.09 | bob2 | ixi: probably something else is on it |
| 09:57.34 | smsmasters | are there any postfix irc chat rooms |
| 09:57.36 | bob2 | rixth: more likely your registrar is stupid |
| 09:57.39 | bob2 | smsmasters: #postfix |
| 09:57.43 | bob2 | but its pretty hardcore |
| 09:57.47 | smsmasters | how |
| 09:58.10 | S2B | Hi, I have a problem with php4 on my apache2. When I do apt-get install php4, he doesn't create a libphp4.so-File, so I can't include php into my apache... |
| 09:58.16 | bob2 | rixth: make your registrar point the A record to your web server |
| 09:58.26 | rixth | bob2, more likey I've mis configured it at my registar |
| 09:58.27 | Plugster | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. |
| 09:58.27 | Plugster | 1 packages not fully installed or removed. |
| 09:58.32 | bob2 | S2B: indeed, libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 09:58.34 | bob2 | rixth: yes |
| 09:58.34 | Eclipser | S2B, apt-get install apache2-mod-php4 |
| 09:58.44 | Eclipser | whops, libapache, yes |
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| 09:59.11 | Plugster | the one named 1 packages not fully installed or removed, how do i get that away? |
| 09:59.36 | smsmasters | I get this error when I try to send mail Relay access denied', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 554, |
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| 09:59.56 | llama32 | rofl @ salad fingers 5: picnic |
| 09:59.59 | bob2 | smsmasters: you need to be way less vague |
| 10:00.13 | smsmasters | Well, I'm trying to send an email |
| 10:00.24 | bob2 | smsmasters: so, tell us, how you're trying to send it |
| 10:00.26 | smsmasters | From my server, using my ISP's email servers |
| 10:00.34 | Eclipser | Plugster, I'm kind of out of ideas for now but you might want to try apt-get -f remove package |
| 10:00.39 | bob2 | that doesn't look like a postfix error |
| 10:00.52 | smsmasters | Well like this>> My server>>ISP's Email Server> Email |
| 10:01.04 | smsmasters | I can't send emails |
| 10:01.06 | S2B | thx |
| 10:01.08 | smsmasters | but can receive |
| 10:01.08 | tap5 | hello .. I have problems at using dbeoostrap in order to get a fresh sarge base-install. Tho everything works fine till it wants the package 'gnutls10' for some reason .. its not in sarge anymore .. gnutls11's there now .. but even in all the packages lists' deboostraps using there no package having gnutls10 as dependency either |
| 10:01.09 | bob2 | smsmasters: yes, we know |
| 10:01.12 | Plugster | yes, but i don't want to remove it from the computer only from apt-get? |
| 10:01.19 | bob2 | smsmasters: where did you get that error from? |
| 10:01.20 | tap5 | so what could cause this / what is the reason of this behavior? |
| 10:01.30 | bob2 | tap5: you need sid's debootstrap, I think |
| 10:01.32 | smsmasters | When I try to send email from out look express in Windows |
| 10:01.51 | bob2 | there you go then |
| 10:01.53 | tap5 | bob2: hmm I am using the one from backports.org atm |
| 10:01.59 | tap5 | but ok I'll backport it on my own |
| 10:02.00 | Plugster | sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) |
| 10:02.02 | bob2 | tap5: is it the same as in sid? |
| 10:02.11 | Plugster | do u get a such error smsmaster?` |
| 10:02.20 | tap5 | bob2: I doubt it .. probably a slightly older version |
| 10:02.20 | bob2 | smsmasters: you need to show us the error from your postfix log |
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| 10:02.28 | smsmasters | where is the postfix log please |
| 10:02.35 | Plugster | var/log |
| 10:02.36 | smsmasters | what command |
| 10:02.48 | tap5 | bob2: but as I said I really dont get where the dependency of 'gnutls10' comes from .. none of the base packages is requiring it |
| 10:02.57 | bob2 | smsmasters: /var/log/mail.log |
| 10:02.58 | streuner | smsmasters: usually /var/log/mail.info is good |
| 10:03.06 | streuner | or that |
| 10:03.07 | bob2 | tap5: debootstrap hard-codes the list of base packages |
| 10:03.10 | smsmasters | nano /var/log/mail.info |
| 10:03.11 | smsmasters | ? |
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| 10:03.20 | bob2 | smsmasters: no, tail /var/log/mail.info |
| 10:03.26 | tap5 | bob2: oh hmm what does it download the lists for then? |
| 10:03.27 | bob2 | paste the output fro mthat to #flood |
| 10:03.38 | bob2 | tap5: so it knows the urls, I guess |
| 10:03.48 | tap5 | bob2: hmm maybe I'll try a fresh sid backport |
| 10:03.54 | smsmasters | Mar 28 10:58:28 Nexus in.qpopper[10592]: (v4.0.5) POP login by user "admin" at ( |
| 10:03.54 | smsmasters | 192.168.0.2) 192.168.0.2 [pop_log.c:244] |
| 10:04.04 | bob2 | dude |
| 10:04.07 | bob2 | #flood |
| 10:04.21 | bob2 | and that's not the error |
| 10:04.22 | smsmasters | ok, hang on |
| 10:04.36 | Eclipser | pastebin > #flood |
| 10:04.55 | bob2 | and also way more annoying |
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| 10:05.03 | smsmasters | Mar 28 11:01:36 Nexus postfix/smtpd[10595]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[192.168.0.2]: 554 <littledevil2003_uk@hotmail.com>: Relay access denied; from=<admin@elitehost.ath.cx> to=<littledevil2003_uk@hotmail.com> proto=SMTP helo=<SONY> |
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| 10:05.20 | bob2 | there you go |
| 10:05.22 | smsmasters | Do I need to add 192.168.0.2 to my access list or something? |
| 10:05.30 | bob2 | yes |
| 10:05.36 | smsmasters | How please |
| 10:05.51 | bob2 | add it to the end of the mynetworks line in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 10:06.01 | smsmasters | ok hang on |
| 10:06.07 | bob2 | so it looks like mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 10:06.17 | bob2 | assuming you want anyone in 192.168.0.* to be able to relay through it |
| 10:06.19 | rixth | bob2, http://spectrumenterprises.no-ip.org/dns.jpg see anything blinding wrong there? |
| 10:06.24 | tomb0y | peterS: sorry for long delay, tried that and they still show under pvscan. |
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| 10:06.40 | smsmasters | also, how can I make sure hackers cannot abuse my server to send mail |
| 10:06.42 | S2B | another problem: If I want to start apache2 now, I get Starting web server: Apache2(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 10:06.42 | mooded | hi all, anybody knows in how far linux supports sli-graphiccards ? does it work ? good ? if not, whats the matter ? |
| 10:06.57 | llahm | g'day. how can i prevent any and all pop-ups in firefox from ever stealing focus without having to block them? |
| 10:07.02 | bob2 | rixth: depends how they do forwarding |
| 10:07.06 | peterS | tomb0y: odd. the next thing I'd try is 'dd bs=1024k count=10 < /dev/zero > /dev/sda' and same for sdb. then repartition |
| 10:07.07 | bob2 | I'd certainly not let them do that for me |
| 10:07.29 | bob2 | smsmasters: if yo udo as I suggested, only people on your local network can send mail through you |
| 10:07.30 | mooded | smsmasters: i guess u mean spammers--- read about SASL / smtp-auth asf. |
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| 10:07.41 | smsmasters | Ok |
| 10:07.43 | bob2 | S2B: let me guess, you have apache1 installed, too? |
| 10:07.46 | smsmasters | OMG, it worked, i can send mail |
| 10:07.48 | smsmasters | I loveu all |
| 10:08.05 | Eclipser | !u |
| 10:08.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:08.06 | bob2 | llahm: use sawfish and write lisp code to do that |
| 10:08.09 | S2B | bob2: I did apt-get remove apache before... |
| 10:08.13 | bob2 | why would you not block popups, tho? |
| 10:08.19 | bob2 | S2B: well, you have some other webserver running |
| 10:08.22 | smsmasters | is it advisable to host my own email server or use my isps? |
| 10:08.40 | bob2 | smsmasters: if you're on consumer dsl/cable, no |
| 10:08.42 | bob2 | people will block you |
| 10:08.48 | llahm | bob2: well here is where it gets odd. i have it set to open pop-ups in tabs |
| 10:08.50 | smsmasters | why will they block me |
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| 10:09.15 | rixth | bob2, http://spectrumenterprises.no-ip.org/forward.pjg |
| 10:09.16 | bob2 | smsmasters: because lots of dumbasses on consumer internet connections get owned by crackers and then flood the internet with spam |
| 10:09.23 | tap5 | Setting up debootstrap (0.2.45-0.2) .. okay bob2 lemme try .. hopefully it works ;) |
| 10:09.27 | rixth | bob2, http://spectrumenterprises.no-ip.org/forward.jpg * |
| 10:09.27 | llahm | smsmasters: isps put the ip networks of their non-business customers into smtp blacklists to prevent spam dissemination |
| 10:09.45 | llahm | bob2: so i can't take control of the tabs from an outside application |
| 10:09.53 | bob2 | rixth: it looks an awful lot like forwarding is your problem |
| 10:10.01 | llahm | bob2: i was googling the issue but keep running into off-topic links |
| 10:10.08 | smsmasters | so how will that affect me? |
| 10:10.10 | rixth | bob2, what would you suggest? |
| 10:10.14 | llahm | i fear i must be searching on the wrong terms unknowingly |
| 10:10.20 | smsmasters | Does it mean I cant send/receive mail? |
| 10:10.40 | S2B | bob2: I don't think so... But I saw now that there's an apache1 in /etc/init.d/ |
| 10:10.40 | bob2 | llahm: ok, I just block all popups and enable the 3 sites I care about when I need to |
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| 10:11.00 | bob2 | smsmasters: if you relay through your isp, you'll be fine |
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| 10:11.06 | Plugster | when u are talking e-mail i have almost the same prob, i'm using auth-smtp, i can send out, and to other people local, but i cant send to local people from outside... try info@pamiro.se so how do i fix that? no errors in log files, inly that relay host not domain is not in my rcpthhost file ??? |
| 10:11.28 | smsmasters | Is there some sort of mod_bandwidth limiter for apache, and how can limit bandwidth for users and ftp also? |
| 10:11.57 | ledet | smsmasters: yes |
| 10:12.27 | jethro | smsmasters: apt-get install trickle or read about traffic shaping |
| 10:12.38 | llahm | bob2: that occurred to me as well, with one caveat: my thorougly evil university wide virus scanner generates pop-ups that cannot be whitelisted as they appear to originate from the sites from which you are downloading |
| 10:12.59 | tap5 | heh bob2 works great .. its even in the changelog of deboostrap .. thanks :) |
| 10:12.59 | bob2 | llahm: can't you click on the bar firefox sticks in the top of the window? |
| 10:13.08 | bob2 | llahm: or ssh tunnel out so you avoid their dodgy proxy? ;) |
| 10:13.12 | bob2 | tap5: ah, cool |
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| 10:13.30 | smsmasters | does mod_bandwidth work? |
| 10:13.32 | llama32 | whats an easy way to encrypt a file? |
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| 10:13.41 | bob2 | rixth: I'd really just avoid their crappy forwarding entirely |
| 10:13.44 | bob2 | llahm: gpg |
| 10:13.46 | pingouin_ | create a pgp key |
| 10:13.47 | bob2 | er, llama32 ^ |
| 10:13.57 | bob2 | gpg can do symmetric ecnryption, too |
| 10:14.02 | pingouin_ | opps ;) typo |
| 10:14.04 | bob2 | (ie just using a passphrase) |
| 10:14.05 | tomb0y | peterS: that worked :0 tahnks |
| 10:14.12 | peterS | tomb0y: cool |
| 10:14.14 | rixth | bob2, how else would I set it up ten? |
| 10:14.17 | llahm | bob2: yeah i do dodge it when possible through my own private debian server |
| 10:14.29 | bob2 | rixth: just add an A record for blah.com and www.blah.com pointing at your IP |
| 10:14.42 | bob2 | rixth: in their "advanced DNS control panel" or whatever |
| 10:14.54 | bob2 | it's pretty fucking moronic that they default to forwarding |
| 10:14.56 | llahm | bob2: apparently their vendor realized the stupidity of their setup and they are working on a fix that is pop-up free |
| 10:14.56 | rixth | Oh yes, I see, I'll try that, "Total DNS Control" |
| 10:15.00 | ledet | smsmasters: define "work" |
| 10:15.06 | bob2 | llahm: haha |
| 10:15.11 | bob2 | llahm: yay for some sanity in the world |
| 10:15.14 | ledet | smsmasters: take a look at http://www.cohprog.com/mod_bandwidth.html |
| 10:15.16 | peterS | llama32: yeah, just 'gpg -c filename; rm filename' and you are left with filename.gpg or something like that |
| 10:15.35 | bob2 | llahm: hm, have you checked out mozdev.org? there might be a plugin to healp already |
| 10:15.38 | llama32 | thanks pingouin_ & bob2... ill try out "kpkg" (kde frontend) and see if it works |
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| 10:16.02 | llahm | bob2: but not all is gravy, sadly, as it will conceivably still majorly slow downloads |
| 10:16.12 | llahm | bob2: and all because of dumb windows users |
| 10:16.22 | llahm | bob2: that's the part that really pisses me off |
| 10:16.28 | bob2 | llahm: why don't they just use virus scanners on their desktops? |
| 10:16.35 | bob2 | or a less broken OS? |
| 10:16.36 | ledet | smsmasters: the date on that page might give you a hint of the age of mod_bandwidth... which isnt by itself a bad thing, although it may indicate that something else may be better |
| 10:16.40 | trand | anyone compiled openoffice 1.1.3 on sarge? |
| 10:16.51 | bob2 | trand: #debian-oo might know |
| 10:16.55 | streuner | trand: /list #debian-oo |
| 10:16.57 | pingouin_ | there is also : http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=HOWTO to crypt a /home or a /partition that's cool and easy to set up (kernel modules to be builded in) |
| 10:17.01 | llahm | bob2: the problem as i understand it is the large numbers of independently (mis)managed systems |
| 10:17.02 | bob2 | trand: but I'd try just about any solution before trying to compile it manually |
| 10:17.02 | trand | thanks |
| 10:17.09 | bob2 | llahm: oh, ouch |
| 10:17.14 | llahm | bob2: they get worms and bog down the network |
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| 10:17.41 | llama32 | thanks pingouin_ but ill pass |
| 10:17.46 | bob2 | llahm: hm, my uni has tons of stupid users, but they just mandate AV software everywhere and beat people up who don't use it |
| 10:17.48 | S2B | bob2: So what shall I do now? If I want to stop apache1, I get "Stopping web server: apacheNo process in pidfile `/var/run/apache.pid' found running; none killed." |
| 10:18.03 | bob2 | S2B: sudo netstat -pluant | grep 80 |
| 10:19.00 | S2B | bob2: I did it... |
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| 10:19.31 | S2B | bob2: And what shall I do now? |
| 10:19.39 | bob2 | S2B: show me what it said? |
| 10:19.54 | S2B | bob2: Nothing :( |
| 10:20.02 | rixth | bob2, now that I have thoses A hosts setup, do I turn off forwarding? |
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| 10:20.07 | bob2 | S2B: now try running apache2 |
| 10:20.08 | bob2 | rixth: yes |
| 10:20.23 | S2B | bob2: Same error... |
| 10:20.30 | bob2 | no idea then |
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| 10:20.37 | bob2 | can't imagine how that could happen |
| 10:20.50 | rixth | bob2, thanks :) |
| 10:21.00 | llahm | bob2: is it not fascinating how the students are bloody brilliant at finding a cornucopia of others' copyrighted works but so incompetent at basic security? |
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| 10:21.11 | bob2 | llahm: haha |
| 10:21.11 | S2B | before I installed |
| 10:21.19 | S2B | sorry.. |
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| 10:21.25 | llahm | bob2: i just don't think security has the flair or satisfaction that finding copyrighted works does |
| 10:21.36 | bob2 | S2B: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" print out? |
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| 10:21.57 | llahm | bob2: being interested in human behavior wrt security, i think about this problem pretty frequently |
| 10:21.57 | S2B | before I installed libapache2-mod-php4, the apache2 worked |
| 10:22.26 | rixth | could someone please test? www.spectrumenterprises.org/blog |
| 10:22.35 | S2B | bob2: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 10:22.48 | smsmasters | In debian, there is a quota tool, what is that for |
| 10:22.53 | smsmasters | I mean in webmin |
| 10:23.02 | bob2 | rixth: it will take time for the change to propogate |
| 10:23.07 | bob2 | rixth: ie, tommorow |
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| 10:23.44 | rixth | bob2, oh okay. One more thing, is there any command I can issue in xchat, where I can put in an Ip address and see what username it belongs to? |
| 10:24.04 | bob2 | I don't know |
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| 10:25.21 | smsmasters | how do u exit out of the "top" command |
| 10:25.31 | caphuso | smsmasters: q |
| 10:25.33 | bob2 | smsmasters: q |
| 10:25.37 | smsmasters | thanks |
| 10:25.40 | smsmasters | I'm still learning |
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| 10:25.44 | smsmasters | ;-) |
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| 10:27.03 | yam | I'm getting kernel errors on lot of processes on a woody box which has been runing fine for 2 years |
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| 10:27.10 | yam | msgs are like -> <1>Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address |
| 10:27.16 | bob2 | your ram is bad |
| 10:27.19 | bob2 | or your kernel is buggy |
| 10:27.23 | bob2 | or being exploited |
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| 10:28.08 | S2B | bob2: What can I do now? Why doesn't apt-get remove apache remove the apache-file in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 10:28.13 | smsmasters | Ok, anyone know any good apache status, server status, etc scripts in php? |
| 10:28.13 | llahm | yam: the first question is, what changed? |
| 10:28.32 | bob2 | S2B: because thats not what remove does |
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| 10:28.39 | bob2 | S2B: --purge is what you want, but that's not your problem |
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| 10:28.42 | yam | llahm: nothing has changed at all |
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| 10:29.01 | komozo | S2B : apt-get --purge remove apache |
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| 10:29.07 | smsmasters | what does --purge do |
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| 10:29.12 | yam | llahm: so I 'd guess its ram |
| 10:29.16 | twirl83 | anyone knows a good system for managing virtual hosts ? |
| 10:29.20 | bob2 | smsmasters: man apt-get |
| 10:29.30 | smsmasters | what is man apt-get |
| 10:29.34 | yam | also lot of scripts are giving the error code [: -ne: unary operator expected |
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| 10:30.22 | S2B | bob2: but what is the problem? |
| 10:30.24 | yoyo35[Miam] | hello all |
| 10:30.31 | bob2 | S2B: I don't know |
| 10:30.31 | smsmasters | what is man apt-get |
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| 10:30.49 | smsmasters | and what is --purge |
| 10:30.51 | bob2 | smsmasters: please stop being annoying |
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| 10:30.59 | ctmnzz | how to make my partition ot /dev/hda2 in one file ? |
| 10:31.10 | bob2 | smsmasters: "man apt-get" means "run 'man apt-get' in a terminal to read the documentation for apt-get" |
| 10:31.14 | ctmnzz | how to make my partition in /dev/hda2 in one file ? |
| 10:31.21 | bob2 | ctmnzz: you need to explain what you want to do better |
| 10:31.21 | smsmasters | ok thanks |
| 10:31.25 | smsmasters | what does --purge do? |
| 10:31.34 | bob2 | smsmasters: read the man page |
| 10:32.00 | S2B | bob2: Do you think that apache1 is running on my server? |
| 10:32.13 | ctmnzz | bob2: i want to make my linux partition in 1 archive file |
| 10:32.13 | bob2 | S2B: no |
| 10:32.19 | smsmasters | is there a command that removes left over files from uninstalled programs? |
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| 10:32.30 | ctmnzz | something like my-linux-partition.tar.gz |
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| 10:33.02 | bob2 | smsmasters: cruft |
| 10:33.19 | bob2 | ctmnzz: you want to tar it up? tar -czf foo.tar.gz /whatever |
| 10:33.19 | smsmasters | I typed cruft, it doesn't work |
| 10:33.21 | sussudio | ctmnzz: partimage |
| 10:33.28 | bob2 | where /whatever is where you mounted it |
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| 10:33.35 | bob2 | smsmasters: er, did you install it? |
| 10:33.37 | ledet | ctmnzz: dd |
| 10:33.47 | smsmasters | apt-get install cruft? |
| 10:33.53 | smsmasters | What does cruft do please? |
| 10:34.00 | ledet | ctmnzz: be sure to unmount the file system first though |
| 10:34.26 | yam | memtest gives strange errors |
| 10:34.37 | bob2 | smsmasters: apt-cache show cruft |
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| 10:34.45 | bob2 | smsmasters: you need to be more of a self-starter |
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| 10:34.56 | bob2 | yam: bad ram would explain your kernel problems |
| 10:35.01 | smsmasters | ok, sorry, but I've been using Windows all my life, and linux is really new to me |
| 10:35.09 | ctmnzz | okay |
| 10:35.23 | ctmnzz | i want to backup my linux |
| 10:35.27 | ctmnzz | i 1 arch file |
| 10:35.33 | DeadZed | should linux newbies be allowed to Debian ? |
| 10:35.35 | ctmnzz | this is my point |
| 10:35.40 | jethro | no |
| 10:35.49 | yam | bob2: shit... I'll run to noc after lunch then and replace ram, hope thats the problem since is a production machine |
| 10:35.54 | bob2 | ctmnzz: then stop talking and read the answers you got |
| 10:35.56 | yam | pdc |
| 10:36.02 | bob2 | yam: ah, suckage |
| 10:36.03 | streuner | DeadZed: you need a brain not more... |
| 10:36.04 | DeadZed | mandrake and #linuxhelp for newbs .. #debian for developers :) |
| 10:36.14 | bob2 | DeadZed: it's not the easiest OS to get used to |
| 10:36.20 | DeadZed | but its the best |
| 10:36.22 | DeadZed | :) |
| 10:36.26 | streuner | yeah |
| 10:36.34 | S2B | bob2: Now I get this if I want to run /etc/init.d/apache2 stop: "Stopping web server: Apache2 ... failed! You may still have some apache2 processes running." |
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| 10:37.01 | bob2 | S2B: did you check? |
| 10:37.06 | streuner | DeadZed: most people have problems to configure there X, that's all... |
| 10:37.19 | DeadZed | S2B isnt this #apache question |
| 10:37.28 | smsmasters | Does anyone have any good debian logos to put in a webpage? |
| 10:37.31 | MobyTurbo | DeadZed: certain things are harder in Debian than in some other distros, and other things are easier. (apt-get and debconf are responsible for the easier part) |
| 10:37.38 | S2B | bob2: Check? |
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| 10:37.46 | DeadZed | X IS a bit hard to config I guess |
| 10:37.50 | llahm | S2B: that's amusing |
| 10:37.53 | bob2 | S2B: did you check to see if it was running still or not? |
| 10:38.00 | jethro | DeadZed: just depends on your setup |
| 10:38.05 | llahm | S2B: i always have services failing to start |
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| 10:38.13 | DeadZed | but google has SOO many sample files for linux setup |
| 10:38.17 | llahm | S2B: but failing to stop is definitely a rarity |
| 10:38.37 | llahm | S2B: what provoked apache into this confused state of affairs? |
| 10:38.47 | bob2 | smsmasters: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
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| 10:38.59 | smsmasters | ok, thank you very much everyone |
| 10:39.03 | smsmasters | for your help |
| 10:39.07 | smsmasters | I really appreciate ur help and time |
| 10:39.11 | smsmasters | :-) |
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| 10:39.24 | bob2 | you're welcome, good luck |
| 10:39.27 | llahm | smsmasters: that's what we are here for |
| 10:39.40 | S2B | bob2: I reinstalled libapache2-mod-php4 and then I wanted to start apache2. That did't work. Then I tried apache2 stop and then there was this error. |
| 10:39.42 | smsmasters | Debian is really fast compared to XP |
| 10:39.45 | giansalvo | how can I install apt-listbugs version 0.0.46? (apt-get install apt-listbugs=0.0.46 didn't work) |
| 10:39.45 | MobyTurbo | DeadZed: X, at least in Sarge, can be set up to use information gathered by hardware detection. That could make it easier. (I always put in the stuff by hand rather than rely on that, but that's because I know how to answer most of the questions.) |
| 10:39.49 | smsmasters | XP is crap as a server |
| 10:39.49 | DeadZed | smsmasters no problem .. those lines of yours would be considered spam |
| 10:39.52 | ctmnzz | bob2: tanks |
| 10:40.02 | smsmasters | Debian is excellent!!! |
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| 10:40.16 | bob2 | S2B: Did you check if it was running? |
| 10:40.18 | darkskiez | smsmasters, go have a cup of tea and calm down. |
| 10:40.20 | bob2 | this is not a confusing question |
| 10:40.27 | bob2 | giansalvo: why? |
| 10:40.36 | LuCkYaN | hi |
| 10:40.39 | bob2 | S2B: if "no", then "ps aux | grep apache' |
| 10:40.40 | drfc | coffee is good |
| 10:40.42 | PyUser | Who was the manufacturer of the Trident set of video cards? |
| 10:40.43 | S2B | bob2: It wasn't running... |
| 10:40.46 | smsmasters | is there a command that lists the versions of apache, php, mysql installed? |
| 10:40.48 | llahm | darkskiez: good advice, i have seen people banned for being excessively verbose in their happiness |
| 10:40.55 | smsmasters | and pc specs? |
| 10:40.57 | jethro | smsmasters: dpkg -l |
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| 10:41.12 | S2B | bob2: root 5505 0.0 0.0 1536 452 pts/0 R+ 12:40 0:00 grep apache |
| 10:41.21 | LuCkYaN | anyone know if debian have package for Bandwith Meter, so ppl can verify bandwith from my server ? |
| 10:41.22 | DeadZed | ban happy spammers !!! |
| 10:41.22 | giansalvo | bob2: because in the last version 0.0.47 there's a bug #301005 that makes it useless. |
| 10:41.22 | llahm | smsmasters: if you are looking for specs, you are best off looking in /proc |
| 10:41.36 | smsmasters | how do I do it? |
| 10:41.37 | smsmasters | nano /proc |
| 10:41.38 | bob2 | DeadZed: ? |
| 10:41.49 | bob2 | giansalvo: you can get the older version from snapshot.debian.net |
| 10:41.52 | drfc | smsmasters: php_info() |
| 10:41.53 | bob2 | smsmasters: lord no |
| 10:42.14 | giansalvo | bob2: thanks |
| 10:42.19 | llahm | LuCkYaN: i have heard this can be done well with javascript |
| 10:42.27 | jethro | smsmasters: do 'dpkg -l' in a shell and grep for the packages you want to check the installed version |
| 10:42.35 | llahm | LuCkYaN: which is server independent and firefox / ie 6 compatible |
| 10:42.36 | smsmasters | ok thanks |
| 10:42.55 | smsmasters | does halt shutdown? |
| 10:42.59 | jethro | omg |
| 10:43.03 | DeadZed | smsmasters use synaptic or kpackage and those show you whats installed |
| 10:43.03 | LuCkYaN | llahm, a program isn't ?? |
| 10:43.08 | drfc | lol |
| 10:43.10 | llahm | LuCkYaN: i think the idea is to time how long it takes to upload / download a file of known length |
| 10:43.14 | LuCkYaN | or some how to , where i can get? |
| 10:43.18 | drfc | so many question so little time |
| 10:43.20 | DeadZed | smsmasters google instead of spamming #debian channels |
| 10:43.26 | llahm | LuCkYaN: i'm not sure what you mean, "a program isn't" |
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| 10:43.31 | simonrvn | one at a time works better |
| 10:43.37 | LuCkYaN | llahm, package |
| 10:43.42 | llahm | DeadZed: which part of what i said did you support if you don't mind my asking |
| 10:43.45 | smsmasters | This is a Debian channel, am I now allowed to ask questions? |
| 10:43.51 | LuCkYaN | i found Bandwith meter, but for windows |
| 10:44.04 | DeadZed | the part about happy spammers being excessively verbose |
| 10:44.05 | jethro | smsmasters: you're not supposed to ask stupid questions you could answer yourself, no |
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| 10:44.19 | bob2 | smsmasters: sure, but it's considered kinda rude to ask simple questions you could easily find the answer to yourself |
| 10:44.20 | smsmasters | I am newbie, what do you expect? :-( |
| 10:44.20 | LuCkYaN | llahm, on debian i found : iperf - Internet Protocol bandwidth measuring tool |
| 10:44.22 | jethro | smsmasters: and you already been doing that all day yesteday |
| 10:44.26 | streuner | smsmasters: one thing, solve one problem first, if you ask 1000 questions it would help much |
| 10:44.30 | llahm | LuCkYaN: well you have to realize that this functionality is dependent upon the client |
| 10:44.31 | smsmasters | ok |
| 10:44.43 | streuner | wouldn't* |
| 10:44.46 | llahm | LuCkYaN: the client has to help you measure this, you can't do it yourself |
| 10:44.47 | bob2 | smsmasters: for instance, "man shutdown" would show you what that command does |
| 10:44.57 | simonrvn | "how do i unfuck my BGP?" ;) |
| 10:45.10 | jethro | hammer the router |
| 10:45.11 | smsmasters | Ok, but a complete newbie wouldn't know how to do that |
| 10:45.13 | llahm | LuCkYaN: even if you watch what the client does and measure it, that is still involving the client making a request |
| 10:45.18 | bob2 | smsmasters: but now you do |
| 10:45.18 | llahm | simonrvn: wtf happened |
| 10:45.29 | smsmasters | Thanks :-) |
| 10:45.34 | DeadZed | smsmasters JUST STOP TYPING IN HERE |
| 10:45.40 | llahm | smsmasters: right, this is why the channel regulars are trying to point you in the right direction |
| 10:45.44 | jethro | smsmasters: a complete newbie willing to learn would have read the few linux beginners guide I pointed out yesterday |
| 10:45.51 | bob2 | DeadZed: chill out |
| 10:45.57 | llahm | smsmasters: though they might sound offensive, they are trying to look out for your best interest |
| 10:46.07 | simonrvn | i'm not even getting routes, never mind advertising them. i fucked up, and i don't know what i'm doing, and luckily this is a private AS ;) |
| 10:46.11 | llahm | smsmasters: it just might not look/sound like they are just now |
| 10:46.29 | bob2 | simonrvn: hah, cool. is this going public at some point, or just playing around? |
| 10:46.29 | llahm | simonrvn: *whew* but if it is a private AS OSPF could be less of a headache, eh |
| 10:46.34 | jethro | simonrvn: you shouldn't mess with BGP if you don't know what you're doing :) |
| 10:46.46 | LuCkYaN | llahm, something like > http://nedernet.net/speedtest/ |
| 10:47.07 | bob2 | speed testing sites are stupid |
| 10:47.11 | jethro | indeed |
| 10:47.16 | bob2 | just download a file and see how fast wget says you got it |
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| 10:47.21 | bob2 | all done, no need ffor java scrap |
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| 10:47.39 | bob2 | got my typing is horrendous tonight |
| 10:47.41 | bob2 | gah |
| 10:47.50 | llahm | LuCkYaN: read the page source code, chief: <script language="JavaScript"> |
| 10:48.02 | drfc | bob2: everyday is like that for me ;) |
| 10:48.04 | llahm | LuCkYaN: it's telling you exactly what i told you |
| 10:48.26 | simonrvn | yeh yeh. i'm trying to do ipv6 bgp. and why i'm doing this is to learn how to do it... so i couldn't care less about "don't do it if you don't know how". this is the point of this, so i *will* know how |
| 10:48.34 | llahm | LuCkYaN: you can trust me if i tell you something network related, i really do have experience in it |
| 10:48.48 | jethro | simonrvn: you should have noticed the ":)" |
| 10:48.49 | llahm | simonrvn: ok, let me see if i can assist |
| 10:49.07 | bob2 | hrm, I have juice marks on my x40 |
| 10:49.08 | bob2 | oops |
| 10:49.13 | simonrvn | llahm: appreciated |
| 10:49.18 | simonrvn | jethro: yeh :) |
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| 10:49.56 | llahm | jethro: mathematically, i would say simonrvn executed the troll-inverse of x function with argument jethro.lastStatement |
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| 10:50.09 | jethro | hah |
| 10:50.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 10:50.30 | llahm | or jethro->lastStatement depending on how you got allocated |
| 10:50.38 | simonrvn | llahm: ok. should just post it up somewhere wgettable, or shall describe it? |
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| 10:50.44 | llahm | a detail about which i'm currently unaware |
| 10:51.11 | llahm | simonrvn: first thing i'm going to do is get a hold of some resources from a known authority |
| 10:51.28 | llahm | simonrvn: once i've done that i'll start asking some general questions to see where it goes |
| 10:51.38 | simonrvn | alrighty |
| 10:51.42 | llahm | simonrvn: this issue is new ground for me and i'm hoping to learn it by helping |
| 10:51.56 | smsmasters | http://elitehost.ath.cx/ what do u think of the speed? |
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| 10:52.09 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 10:52.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:52.31 | llahm | simonrvn: sorry to make you a guinea pig, but i am just trying to do the best i can and be productive at the sametime |
| 10:52.59 | simonrvn | *oink* *squeak* |
| 10:53.11 | llahm | simonrvn: lolz |
| 10:53.23 | llahm | MobyTurbo: I think it would be best not to troll the new user. |
| 10:53.41 | MobyTurbo | llahm: I'm not trolling |
| 10:53.47 | bob2 | that's not trolling, it's pointing out important facts in an obnoxious manner |
| 10:54.06 | llahm | Alright. My mistake. I won't say anything more about it. |
| 10:54.16 | simonrvn | smsmasters: speed is very relative |
| 10:54.19 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: please stop it |
| 10:54.36 | bob2 | smsmasters: it's generally considered annoying to talk in kiddie acronyms |
| 10:54.45 | bob2 | or "AOL-speak" or whatever you want to call it |
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| 10:55.00 | bob2 | this is a general Free Software-world thing, not #debian in paticular |
| 10:55.13 | sussudio | bob2: jethro is harassing me in /msg with another nick |
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| 10:55.16 | llahm | simonrvn: luckily i have full unlimited access to oreilly safari |
| 10:55.27 | simonrvn | ooh |
| 10:55.28 | llahm | simonrvn: so sometimes i can pull decent answers out of my ass |
| 10:55.35 | simonrvn | haha |
| 10:56.00 | jethro | harassing, now that's funny |
| 10:56.02 | llahm | simonrvn: that and i have a weird knack for fucked up network stuff |
| 10:56.07 | sussudio | can you just ban the little french fucker? |
| 10:56.15 | bob2 | sussudio: calin? |
| 10:56.21 | sussudio | bob2: teignat |
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| 10:56.38 | toresbe | How do you find out how long a process has been running? |
| 10:56.40 | llahm | holycow: don't worry, i disclaim answers about which i'm unsure |
| 10:56.43 | bob2 | jethro: can you stop please? |
| 10:56.48 | jethro | stop what? |
| 10:56.49 | llahm | holycow: so it isn't all bad |
| 10:57.04 | llahm | jethro: stop messaging sussudio under a different nickname |
| 10:57.08 | llahm | jethro: it's not polite |
| 10:57.10 | jethro | I didn't do anything, he just said "I m gonna ignore jethro again" and now he's whining for being /msg'ed, how is it problem in here |
| 10:57.19 | bob2 | jethro: annoying sussudio |
| 10:57.24 | jethro | I m not |
| 10:57.24 | bob2 | then just stop |
| 10:57.34 | jethro | I m not this "lil french fucker" he's talking about |
| 10:57.34 | llahm | jethro: stop messaging him, and the problem will go away |
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| 10:57.39 | jethro | ffs |
| 10:57.52 | bob2 | llahm: it's under control, please don't exacerbate it |
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| 10:58.18 | llahm | bob2: sorry, bad call on my part, i thought if a plain user tried to say something it would be better. |
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| 10:58.32 | bob2 | meh, fair enough |
| 10:58.40 | jethro | bob2: why would I fucking /msg him anyway? |
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| 10:59.10 | bob2 | jethro: I have no idea |
| 10:59.12 | snadge | can anyone tell me why mounting an nfs share takes over a minute and a half the first time, although the server logs that the mount was attempted and completed immediately, the mount process stalls for a minute or so.. unmounting and mounting again happens instantly ? |
| 10:59.21 | llahm | bob2: feel free to correct me publicly/privately in the future if i do something stupid |
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| 10:59.34 | bob2 | snadge: do your forward and reverse dns entries match up? |
| 10:59.37 | llahm | bob2: i'm good-intentioned though it does not always appear so |
| 10:59.43 | toresbe | llahm: This is #debian, we always do that ;) |
| 10:59.48 | bob2 | that's the usual cause of random network slowdowns |
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| 10:59.56 | bob2 | er, and other related dns stuffups |
| 10:59.59 | jethro | bob2: then just don't blindly trust what he says, if you saw me do it, I could understand, but he's just being an ass to me and asking ops to ban me every two weeks |
| 10:59.59 | snadge | bob2: is this as simple as having an entry in /etc/hosts on both machines ? |
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| 11:00.07 | jethro | bob2: for no reason I could understand |
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| 11:00.14 | toresbe | llahm: some people are quite offended by it, but, oh well |
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| 11:00.22 | bob2 | snadge: hm, I'm not sure if that will cover the reverse case |
| 11:00.22 | wishie | if i try to mount a share via nfs using mount server:/share/ /mnt/some_mount_point it takes 1min 45secs to drop me back to a prompt, although, the share is mounted immediatly..what would cause this behaviour ? |
| 11:00.31 | bob2 | hm, I don't like all these joines |
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| 11:00.38 | llahm | toresbe: yeah, but this remarks has a specific track record i can explain in private |
| 11:00.51 | bob2 | jethro: sussudio may be an ass, but I've not seen him lie |
| 11:00.58 | worse | how can i install a rmp package /qry me (linux noob) :( |
| 11:01.05 | smsmasters | does anyone know hot to limit the speed of ftp, for users? like 3okb/s up and down? |
| 11:01.07 | snadge | wishie, i just asked that yeah.. not sure if /etc/hosts will cover the reverse case |
| 11:01.09 | jethro | bob2: neither have you see me do anything wrong in here, so as to deserve a ban |
| 11:01.11 | smsmasters | im using proftpd |
| 11:01.13 | llahm | toresbe: remarks* |
| 11:01.15 | worse | how can i install a rmp package /qry me (linux noob) :( |
| 11:01.15 | sussudio | bob2: i have him on ignore. he _is_ lying if he's saying he didn't message me. |
| 11:01.20 | bob2 | worse: mount stalls (after* mounting it? |
| 11:01.25 | llahm | worse: stop repeating |
| 11:01.29 | worse | :> |
| 11:01.37 | bob2 | smsmasters: you can use iptables if they each have an IP |
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| 11:01.43 | llahm | worse: be polite |
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| 11:01.45 | jethro | bob2: now I suggest we put a end to this side effect of sussudio's not being able to manage his period |
| 11:01.47 | worse | damn i need help :> |
| 11:01.48 | bob2 | smsmasters: tho I'm guessing you're trying to do some sort of mass-virtual-hosting on one IP |
| 11:01.57 | MobyTurbo | worse: apt-get install alien |
| 11:01.59 | smsmasters | is there global speed limit for proftpd? |
| 11:02.01 | codemonk | hi, i'm trying to compile apache2 from the debian sources, but it allways fails with: mv: cannot stat `debian/apache2-mpm-worker/usr/include/apache2/apr*': No such file or directory Is that a known problem, or did i do something wrong while fetching the sources? |
| 11:02.04 | llahm | worse: we know. ask in public so all will benefit from the answer |
| 11:02.19 | bob2 | jethro: I'm really not in the mood for whinging. you'll note all I did was ask you to stop, I never threatened or intended to ban you for something I cannot see. |
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| 11:02.21 | wishie | bob2: did you mean me ? if so, yes, mount stalls _after_ mounting the nfs share it seems |
| 11:02.26 | worse | k |
| 11:02.34 | jethro | bob2: good |
| 11:02.35 | llahm | worse: first i need to know why you need to install the rpm |
| 11:02.35 | bob2 | wishie: er, oops. that is weird. |
| 11:02.42 | llahm | worse: that could affect the answer |
| 11:02.58 | worse | i want to install a radeon driver |
| 11:03.06 | bob2 | codemonk: why are you building it? |
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| 11:03.17 | llahm | worse: ok, i am not an expert on the ati topic |
| 11:03.29 | worse | :( |
| 11:03.32 | MobyTurbo | worse: have you tried alien? |
| 11:03.33 | llahm | worse: but i have heard this can be done in debian without rpms |
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| 11:03.45 | worse | im a linux newb |
| 11:03.45 | codemonk | bob2: because i need to compile it with a special option |
| 11:03.50 | llahm | worse: and rpms are trouble so you should avoid them unless necessary |
| 11:03.59 | worse | i dibt know how toi install something |
| 11:04.00 | smsmasters | what is the command to view the uptime |
| 11:04.06 | llahm | worse: even if you use MobyTurbo's idea of the alien tool to convert them |
| 11:04.10 | worse | dont |
| 11:04.10 | wishie | bob2: could it be something to do with portmap ? |
| 11:04.19 | bob2 | codemonk: which option? |
| 11:04.28 | bob2 | smsmasters: "uptime", surprisingly |
| 11:04.34 | smsmasters | nice |
| 11:04.37 | worse | i download the prg |
| 11:04.38 | llahm | worse: i will see if somebody loaded the answer into the channel bot |
| 11:04.39 | bob2 | smsmasters: you could just try things, you know |
| 11:04.47 | codemonk | bob2: --enable-exception-hook |
| 11:04.50 | bob2 | wishie: maybe, I'm no NFS expert |
| 11:04.52 | llahm | !tell me about radeon |
| 11:04.59 | MobyTurbo | worse: I don't have ATI drivers so take what I say about the sucessful use of alien with them with a grain of salt. |
| 11:05.04 | codemonk | bob2: for debuging |
| 11:05.11 | worse | k |
| 11:05.31 | llahm | !tell worse about radeon |
| 11:05.33 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 11:05.33 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 11:05.36 | valdyn | !faq worse |
| 11:05.37 | dpkg | worse: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 11:05.53 | rixth | bob2, that change on my domain has come through, thanks heaps! lyk omgz i lyk totali luv u! |
| 11:05.54 | worse | w00t |
| 11:05.55 | llahm | worse: i advise you to start with the link i sent, and the fact valdyn pulles up |
| 11:06.10 | worse | ok |
| 11:06.14 | llahm | worse: then on your free time when not in a driver crunch read the general debian faq |
| 11:06.31 | llahm | worse: it will cover a lot of big picture topics that will help you work with linux in general |
| 11:06.31 | smsmasters | oh, when I run shutdown, is there a way to automatically power it off? |
| 11:06.39 | bob2 | rixth: heh, np |
| 11:06.40 | valdyn | worse: the faq has an entry about ati too, i didnt read it, it might be useful |
| 11:06.44 | bob2 | smsmasters: how old is the computer? |
| 11:06.45 | llahm | worse: and might also help when you need to know how to install packages |
| 11:06.50 | smsmasters | about 5 years |
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| 11:06.54 | smsmasters | it shuts down auto in windows |
| 11:06.57 | worse | k |
| 11:07.01 | wishie | bob2: well, incase you cared, it seems that once i installed portmap and nfs-common on the client machine, it now mounts instantly |
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| 11:07.13 | bob2 | codemonk: did you install all the build-dependencies? |
| 11:07.16 | bob2 | wishie: oh, cool |
| 11:07.35 | bob2 | smsmasters: nano /etc/modules, as root, add "apm" (no quotes) on a line by itself |
| 11:07.59 | smsmasters | done |
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| 11:08.06 | smsmasters | Do I need to restart something? |
| 11:08.13 | codemonk | bob2: i think so, i got some messages telling me what i need, and then the compilation started |
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| 11:08.18 | bob2 | smsmasters: no |
| 11:08.25 | bob2 | codemonk: sudo apt-get build-dep apache2 |
| 11:08.27 | codemonk | bob2: (after i installed them) |
| 11:08.29 | bob2 | then try again |
| 11:08.33 | smsmasters | what is the different between halt and shutdown |
| 11:08.33 | DeadZed | smsmasters is one of those irc info scavengers it seems :) |
| 11:08.36 | bob2 | just to make sure |
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| 11:08.41 | bob2 | smsmasters: nothing |
| 11:08.49 | smsmasters | ok, thank u all for ur help |
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| 11:08.54 | smsmasters | if u need free hosting, just let me know |
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| 11:09.09 | DeadZed | smsmasters tell us all , plese |
| 11:09.11 | bob2 | smsmasters: after your next reboot, it will shutdown and power off afte you run shutdown |
| 11:09.19 | DeadZed | smsmasters where is free hosting |
| 11:09.51 | smsmasters | hang on, setting it up |
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| 11:10.18 | bob2 | this is not a channel to be pimping that |
| 11:10.36 | wrs | can anyone tell me where i have to place an newly created deb pkg to install it using "apt-get install"? The package was an rpm, i alienated it to *.deb |
| 11:10.45 | bob2 | wrs: not that simple |
| 11:10.50 | bob2 | just install it with dpkg |
| 11:10.55 | andax | wrs: try dpkg -i package.deb |
| 11:11.09 | codemonk | wrs: apt-get -i /path/to/deb/file afaik |
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| 11:12.00 | wrs | andax, bob2, codemonk: dpkg -i seems to work fine |
| 11:12.10 | wrs | thanks |
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| 11:12.28 | codemonk | bob2: still the same error :/ |
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| 11:13.23 | llahm | simonrvn: alright, the first thing i learned is that ipv6 BGP is really the same as the ipv4 version |
| 11:13.41 | llahm | simonrvn: there was an extension in the old version for describing non-ipv4 routes |
| 11:14.03 | simonrvn | yes. i'm using quagga |
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| 11:14.17 | llahm | simonrvn: so if you can find some general docs for ipv4 and get that working first, then it should follow that 6 should start working |
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| 11:14.58 | simonrvn | i have no one to peer ipv4 with. how would i even know if it was working :) |
| 11:15.21 | codemonk | bob2: http://www.pastebin.com/263690 |
| 11:15.32 | llahm | simonrvn: well if you have two boxes peering them against each other would be a start |
| 11:15.38 | PerfDave | wrs: You're not trying to install ATI drivers, are you? |
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| 11:15.47 | llahm | simonrvn: you could use knoppix so nothing gets hosed |
| 11:16.04 | llahm | simonrvn: but since you are a ppc guy it might not work, eh |
| 11:16.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 11:16.19 | smsmasters | is there a way to setup a perm. ip address for my network card, it still says dhcp on boot up |
| 11:16.21 | wrs | PerfDave: No, why? |
| 11:16.27 | jethro | smsmasters: man interfaces |
| 11:16.34 | simonrvn | smsmasters: man interfaces |
| 11:16.42 | smsmasters | ok, what do i do there |
| 11:16.46 | jethro | read |
| 11:16.49 | simonrvn | read it |
| 11:17.00 | karsten | smsmasters: man interfaces, already. |
| 11:17.04 | smsmasters | ok |
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| 11:17.12 | karsten | What's DVD storage capacity? |
| 11:17.18 | karsten | 2 GB? |
| 11:17.22 | shingouz | 4.7 |
| 11:17.22 | simonrvn | spam from root@rs256.securehostserver.com |
| 11:17.31 | karsten | !ops JHGHGkljhskdfgsd |
| 11:17.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: JHGHGkljhskdfgsd |
| 11:17.41 | smsmasters | 4.35 |
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| 11:17.45 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@d198-166-22-94.abhsia.telus.net] by caphuso |
| 11:17.47 | simonrvn | yeh, i really trust those folks... letting formail spam through... |
| 11:17.53 | simonrvn | plonk |
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| 11:17.54 | PerfDave | wrs: That's quite a common use of alien to convert rpms, and AFAIK isn't the best way to do so on a Debian system. |
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| 11:18.22 | karsten | caphuso: That was actually a "watch", not a "kick". Unless you know better. |
| 11:18.25 | wrs | PerfDave: i just did it with java 5 |
| 11:18.34 | llahm | karsten: what did JH... do? |
| 11:18.35 | caphuso | karsten: damn, you can watch yourself |
| 11:18.38 | PerfDave | wrs: Oh, that was probably a bad idea. |
| 11:18.45 | bob2 | it was a spammer from OFTC |
| 11:18.51 | bob2 | there were a bunch of them |
| 11:19.04 | wrs | PerfDave: Probably. But i wanted to see what happens :-} |
| 11:19.11 | llahm | !tell me about oftc |
| 11:19.30 | llahm | bob2: it's screwed up of them to do that |
| 11:19.40 | wrs | PerfDave: Any better Idea? |
| 11:19.46 | smsmasters | is there a way to start the server, from power off, via lan? |
| 11:19.54 | wrs | PerfDave: Somewhere I saw a java 2 debian package, but i wanted a java 5 |
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| 11:20.02 | jethro | smsmasters: google for wake up on lan |
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| 11:20.10 | Gathond | smsmasters: depends on wether the server supports such |
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| 11:20.13 | smsmasters | apm did not work |
| 11:20.25 | bob2 | apm has nothing to do with that |
| 11:20.27 | smsmasters | It says shut down, but doesn't power off |
| 11:20.33 | smsmasters | I'm talking about previously |
| 11:20.38 | PerfDave | wrs: There's java-package. /msg dpkg java. |
| 11:20.50 | PerfDave | wrs: I've not used it, I wouldn't touch Sun Java with a bargepole. |
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| 11:21.02 | karsten | caphuso: Apologies. |
| 11:21.28 | smsmasters | I added apm to nano /etc/modules but it does not power off |
| 11:21.33 | llahm | simonrvn: i apologize for not being more helpful, here is a start while i keep hunting: http://www.inetdaemon.com/tutorials/internet/ip/routing/bgp/troubleshooting/ |
| 11:21.48 | bob2 | smsmasters: did you read the bit where I told you it would only happen after your next reboot? |
| 11:21.51 | simonrvn | oh thank you. that will help |
| 11:21.57 | smsmasters | yes, I rebooted it twice now |
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| 11:22.11 | smsmasters | Still does not power off |
| 11:22.15 | llahm | simonrvn: it will? cool |
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| 11:22.37 | simonrvn | might neesmmight need some apmd to help it shut off |
| 11:22.42 | simonrvn | merg |
| 11:22.48 | smsmasters | what is apmd |
| 11:22.59 | wrs | PerfDave: I saw this java-package thing in the wiki anounced by this channel, but not in my dselect list. There's only a java-common. Therefore I skipped trying it the debian way. |
| 11:23.13 | caiqian | hi all, is there any irc robot, who can help query Debian bugs based by package' names? |
| 11:23.16 | PerfDave | wrs: *shrug* Better to fix that problem than try to use alien :) |
| 11:23.17 | bob2 | you don't need apmd |
| 11:23.33 | smsmasters | So why won't it power off |
| 11:23.40 | karsten | caiqian: querybts |
| 11:23.58 | smsmasters | shall I put apm first? |
| 11:24.01 | smsmasters | I see another entry |
| 11:24.07 | smsmasters | af_packet |
| 11:24.08 | smsmasters | then |
| 11:24.08 | smsmasters | apm |
| 11:24.27 | bob2 | lord |
| 11:24.27 | caiqian | karsten: I don't think that would be irc robot |
| 11:24.40 | karsten | !tell smsmasters about enter |
| 11:24.42 | bob2 | smsmasters: you're going to find that there will be about no one left to help you tommorow |
| 11:24.50 | bob2 | no one useful, anyway |
| 11:24.58 | simonrvn | bob2: bob2.sans.org # i don't know what strange twist of synchronicity did that, but i find i mildly amusing |
| 11:25.10 | smsmasters | You're mean |
| 11:25.13 | llahm | simonrvn: another thing that could help you before you change anything |
| 11:25.15 | smsmasters | I'm just asking |
| 11:25.15 | snadge | bob2: regarding the nfs mounting stalling issue which was asked a while ago.. installing nfs-common rectifies the problem :P |
| 11:25.17 | bob2 | simonrvn: hah |
| 11:25.19 | karsten | caiqian: You can query bugs at http://bugs.debian.org/ as well. |
| 11:25.21 | llahm | simonrvn: http://www.ipv6.lava.net/cgi-bin/lg.pl |
| 11:25.28 | bob2 | smsmasters: I'm not being mean, I'm trying to help you |
| 11:25.32 | simonrvn | looking glass :) |
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| 11:25.41 | bob2 | smsmasters: you can't just sit on an IRC channel for 4 days and ask every question that pops into your head |
| 11:25.42 | llahm | smsmasters: you are heading down the path of destruction |
| 11:25.51 | smsmasters | destruction? |
| 11:25.57 | llahm | simonrvn: yeah, depending on what you are doing |
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| 11:25.59 | bob2 | smsmasters: you're asking random strangers from around the world to look things up for you, which will not last very long |
| 11:26.05 | smsmasters | ok |
| 11:26.05 | caiqian | karsten: I hope there some robots with more functions than rupybot's Debian plugin. |
| 11:26.09 | smsmasters | I'll find out myself then |
| 11:26.10 | karsten | bob2: Touche. |
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| 11:26.28 | llahm | simonrvn: but it iwll only works if your routes are on the global scope in some way :-/ |
| 11:26.32 | bob2 | smsmasters: if you want to be an effective part of a community,m then you need need to conform to it's norms. for example, if you don't know how to use a command, you should look itup with man, first |
| 11:26.40 | llahm | simonrvn: unless you get lucky and your peer has a looking glass |
| 11:26.43 | smsmasters | okay |
| 11:26.45 | bob2 | smsmasters: then, if you don't understand that, ask for help with the specific bit you don't understand |
| 11:26.49 | karsten | caiqian: ?? |
| 11:26.51 | smsmasters | ok, thanks |
| 11:27.06 | bob2 | smif someone mentions a piece of software you haven't heard of, run "apt-cache show blah" to see if it's in Debian before asking about it |
| 11:27.17 | bob2 | smsmasters: people are happy to help people who try to help themselves |
| 11:27.24 | karsten | smsmasters: ...and pissing off a bunch of people who _do_ know enough to help you really isn't doing you any favors. |
| 11:27.26 | simonrvn | llahm: yeh. that's why i was setting up a script here |
| 11:27.32 | karsten | !tell smsmasters about clues for the clueful. |
| 11:27.34 | wrs | PerfDave: Hm, but is there a way to see if the jdk install i just done succeeded? Using an applet or the like, for example? |
| 11:27.39 | caiqian | karsten: seems you may not hear rupybot's before |
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| 11:27.49 | smsmasters | Okay, is there a way to backup all files as .gz? |
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| 11:27.56 | karsten | caiqian: Indeed not. |
| 11:28.00 | smsmasters | backup all files in /var/www |
| 11:28.05 | karsten | smsmasters: man gzip |
| 11:28.09 | smsmasters | ok |
| 11:28.10 | smsmasters | thanks |
| 11:28.12 | karsten | smsmasters: man tar. |
| 11:28.12 | caiqian | karsten: sorry, supybot |
| 11:28.15 | bob2 | smsmasters: tar -czf backup.tar.gz /var/www |
| 11:28.25 | PerfDave | wrs: No idea, like I said, I don't use Java. |
| 11:28.32 | smsmasters | how do u specify where to save the compressed backup? |
| 11:28.35 | karsten | caiqian: Not that either. |
| 11:28.50 | bob2 | smsmasters: replace backup.tar.gz with whatever path you want |
| 11:28.59 | DeadZed | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/facts/default.mspx |
| 11:29.01 | smsmasters | ok, thank you |
| 11:29.07 | PerfDave | wrs: I'm pretty sure it'll have "worked", but you might have problems with file conflicts. |
| 11:29.09 | llahm | simonrvn: here is an ipv6 specific item: http://www.occaid.org/tutorial-ipv6bgp.html |
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| 11:29.19 | llahm | PerfDave: i support your dislike of Java |
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| 11:29.46 | llahm | wrs: google java test |
| 11:29.50 | simonrvn | read that one. |
| 11:29.54 | cantona | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=47502&page=1 nvidia 7167 bug?? |
| 11:29.57 | llahm | wrs: there is a test applet in the first page of results |
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| 11:31.11 | llahm | simonrvn: also, it might be worth it to pull out ethereal and peek at packets |
| 11:31.12 | az[a]zel | hmm, google deleted my gmail account :( I didn't think it had been that long since I used it |
| 11:31.23 | llahm | az[a]zel: recreate it? |
| 11:31.23 | smsmasters | Do you people use a GUI? |
| 11:31.29 | simonrvn | tcpdump ;) |
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| 11:31.40 | smsmasters | OMG, APM doesn't power off my pc |
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| 11:32.11 | az[a]zel | llahm, I need an invite to recreate it :( |
| 11:32.20 | bob2 | smsmasters: another hint, don't freak out over unimportant things |
| 11:32.42 | wrs | PerfDave: yes, it "worked", it's in my dselect list. Saw it, clicked it, waiting for timeout. ;-) |
| 11:32.54 | llahm | az[a]zel: i believe they openet it for public joins |
| 11:32.58 | sh0rt | I've connected my debian box to my work win 2000 with a crossover cable, and set the ip's, but cant ping each other |
| 11:33.12 | wrs | PerfDave: I think, the prob is to get my browser to recognize the applet as an applet and to use java to handle it. |
| 11:33.16 | az[a]zel | llahm, only randomly.. gotta keep refreshing the page :) |
| 11:33.34 | llahm | az[a]zel: ah |
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| 11:33.40 | llahm | az[a]zel: msg me |
| 11:34.00 | smsmasters | can someone please help my server power down wen I suht down |
| 11:34.08 | simonrvn | az[a]zel: i have 50 sitting around |
| 11:34.21 | Glanzmann | Gentoo 2005 just released. |
| 11:34.29 | simonrvn | so? |
| 11:34.39 | Glanzmann | Ups. Wrong distribution. |
| 11:34.40 | bob2 | Glanzmann: #gentoo |
| 11:34.46 | karsten | smsmasters: Strongly recommended reading: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html |
| 11:34.47 | Glanzmann | I was just kidding. |
| 11:34.50 | Glanzmann | I disklike gentoo myself. |
| 11:34.53 | MobyTurbo | wrs: I use Java (I'm embarassed to say) and java-package, what do you need? |
| 11:35.07 | karsten | smsmasters: For tar: http://www.geekcomix.com/cgi-bin/classnotes/wiki.pl?UNIX01/Dealing_With_Tar_Files |
| 11:35.18 | bob2 | smsmasters: what does "lsmod | grep apm" prnt out? |
| 11:35.26 | simonrvn | az[a]zel: /msg me your email addie, i'll send you one |
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| 11:35.51 | smsmasters | lsmod | grep apm prints nothing |
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| 11:36.05 | bob2 | smsmasters: then yo udidn't do what I said |
| 11:36.13 | smsmasters | I did reboot the pc |
| 11:36.19 | bob2 | smsmasters: paste the contents of /etc/modules to #flood |
| 11:36.25 | bob2 | smsmasters: and the output of "uname -r" here |
| 11:36.25 | simonrvn | /ig -replies Glanzmann |
| 11:36.33 | wrs | MobyTurbo: You read my prior msgs? - I skipped using java-package since it wasn't in my dselect list, used alien instead with an jdk 1.5. Now I'm trying to make my browser handle java applets. Any idea which helper app i have to add to its list? |
| 11:36.44 | genix | Which source is required in sourses.list to access bitchx via apt? |
| 11:36.53 | wrs | MobyTurbo: em, "its" means "the browser's" |
| 11:37.01 | bob2 | genix: unfortunately, it's in all versions of Debian that I know of |
| 11:37.02 | Glanzmann | simonrvn I didn't know about the replies flag. What does it do? |
| 11:37.07 | MobyTurbo | wrs: java-package is in contrib, maybe you don't have contrib and non-free |
| 11:37.10 | caphuso | genix: preferably none, before the fucking big security risk isn't sorted out |
| 11:37.12 | smsmasters | bob2: I pasted the ouputs now |
| 11:37.24 | solata | Hi. how can i extract files from .run iles (et,q3,aa) ... i dont wnt to run it,only extract files from it. |
| 11:37.34 | Glanzmann | Wow that's cool. But it only works if the nick is explicit mentioned?! |
| 11:37.47 | bob2 | solata: first, find out what sort of file it is |
| 11:38.04 | genix | bob2, "bitchx" "bash: bitchx: command not found" |
| 11:38.21 | bob2 | genix: did you install it? |
| 11:38.21 | genix | bob2, I'm running Sarge |
| 11:38.23 | caphuso | bob2: it's not in sarge, due to #296535 |
| 11:38.29 | linuxfreck | solata: sometimes the --extract-only switch works |
| 11:38.31 | bob2 | haha |
| 11:38.33 | wrs | MobyTurbo: I have contrib from testing/updates, and non-free from testing main |
| 11:38.38 | smsmasters | bob2: I pasted the outputs in #flood |
| 11:38.40 | bob2 | it actually got kicked out because of a security issue? |
| 11:38.52 | MobyTurbo | wrs: what you just said doesn't make any sense. |
| 11:38.53 | genix | bob2, "it's in all versions of Debian that I know of", no I just tried it apt did not find anything |
| 11:38.53 | bob2 | smsmasters: another lesson, don't be naggy, I was replying to other people before you |
| 11:38.59 | smsmasters | ok, sorry |
| 11:38.59 | solata | well ./file.run --info says its gzip2 compreiion but i cant extract it |
| 11:39.10 | bob2 | genix: what caphuso said, it got kicked out for being insecure |
| 11:39.20 | usn | hi all, happy easter |
| 11:39.28 | smsmasters | Easter is over |
| 11:39.30 | bob2 | sorry I don't track the fate of every terrible IRC client in Debian on a day by day basis |
| 11:39.39 | bob2 | smsmasters: you're using a uselessly old kernel |
| 11:39.46 | bob2 | smsmasters: which has numerous local root exploits, too |
| 11:39.46 | MobyTurbo | wrs: you need contrib and non-free on every deb line of the Debian deb repository lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:39.50 | llahm | simonrvn: http://www.rikwade.com/advanced_ip_networking_part_2.pdf |
| 11:39.52 | bob2 | smsmasters: what cpu is in that machine? |
| 11:39.56 | smsmasters | do I need to upgrade my kernel? |
| 11:40.01 | smsmasters | I got a pentium 3 |
| 11:40.17 | genix | bob2, caphuso: the thing is that I have installed bitchx before but don't know why apt refuse to do so now |
| 11:40.32 | caphuso | genix: did you listen? it's not longer in sarge |
| 11:40.33 | wrs | MobyTurbo: From sources.list: 1) deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib 2) deb http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/Linux/debian/ testing main non-free |
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| 11:40.45 | bob2 | genix: ? caphuso explained why, it's due to bug #296535 |
| 11:40.47 | caphuso | genix: plus, it's horribly insecure right now, so you don't want to use it anyway |
| 11:41.16 | llahm | genix: dude, listen up! |
| 11:41.19 | MobyTurbo | wrs: that's incorrect, you need to have contrib on the second line |
| 11:41.26 | MobyTurbo | wrs: plus what's already there |
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| 11:41.28 | bob2 | smsmasters: you need to install a newer one. kernel-image-2.4.18-3 or so |
| 11:41.38 | smsmasters | ok, how do I upgrade the kernel please |
| 11:41.39 | genix | caphuso, hirribly insecure, what can I use as shell irc client instead then |
| 11:41.50 | wrs | MobyTurbo: oh, i see... |
| 11:41.54 | bob2 | smsmasters: "apt-cache search kernel-image | grep 2.4.18" will print available ones |
| 11:41.58 | bob2 | genix: irssi-text |
| 11:42.02 | caphuso | genix: irssi, epic4, ircii |
| 11:42.10 | smsmasters | is it straightforward when upgrading the kernel? |
| 11:42.12 | az[a]zel | llahm, simonrvn, thanks... it wouldnt let me have my old one because it was < 6 characters long.. I guess they just deleted it because it doesn't conform to their new rules |
| 11:42.25 | wrs | MobyTurbo: But even if so, I just installed the alienated package. First i should get rid of it, shouldn't I? |
| 11:42.27 | simonrvn | i guess *shrug* |
| 11:42.33 | MobyTurbo | wrs: yes |
| 11:42.44 | bob2 | smsmasters: make sure you follow the instructions it prints out when installing those packages |
| 11:42.45 | llahm | az[a]zel: ah, yeah, I _HATE_ that rule |
| 11:42.50 | genix | caphuso, Can you recommend one off them |
| 11:42.52 | bob2 | and ask for help if you don't understand |
| 11:42.52 | llahm | az[a]zel: wanted to be mhall... |
| 11:42.55 | smsmasters | okay |
| 11:43.04 | caphuso | genix: start with irssi |
| 11:43.06 | smsmasters | I'm not quite sure, do i run apt-get install kernelhere |
| 11:43.38 | wrs | MobyTurbo: would a dselect deinstall attempt work? |
| 11:43.54 | MobyTurbo | wrs: I'm not familiar with dselect |
| 11:44.01 | bob2 | smsmasters: no, you read what I said |
| 11:44.02 | genix | caphuso, ok, I was completly sure that bitchx should never be a security risk, but this is just under apt? |
| 11:44.08 | bob2 | smsmasters: and find the name of the kernel image you want to install |
| 11:44.13 | MobyTurbo | wrs: try apt-get remove --purge |
| 11:44.20 | smsmasters | I ran grep 2.4.18 and nothing happened |
| 11:44.21 | bob2 | genix: irssi-text is in sarge |
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| 11:44.40 | bob2 | smsmasters: did you really? |
| 11:44.47 | caphuso | genix: try speak in a way that your sentence make a sense |
| 11:44.49 | wrs | MobyTurbo: apt-get remove --purge removes everything what's not in use anymore, right? |
| 11:44.53 | simonrvn | wtf. my count just went back up to 50... o_O |
| 11:45.02 | smsmasters | which kernel works with a pentium 3? |
| 11:45.04 | MobyTurbo | wrs: no, it removes the package you tell it to remove |
| 11:45.07 | smsmasters | 686? |
| 11:45.18 | genix | caphuso, I should be ok to compile bithcx myself is what I mean |
| 11:45.24 | wrs | MobyTurbo: Okay, I try... |
| 11:45.26 | caphuso | genix: probably not |
| 11:45.27 | bob2 | smsmasters: yes |
| 11:45.36 | genix | caphuso, ok, irssi-text then |
| 11:45.59 | caphuso | if it was that easy, it'd still be in sarge |
| 11:45.59 | genix | caphuso, bob2 thank you |
| 11:45.59 | smsmasters | apt-get install # kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 11:45.59 | simonrvn | without the # |
| 11:46.04 | llahm | i switched over to irssis a long time ago |
| 11:46.11 | llahm | gah |
| 11:46.15 | genix | llahm, why? |
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| 11:46.18 | llahm | dialup lag |
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| 11:46.26 | simonrvn | because it works |
| 11:46.28 | smsmasters | ok, im d/l the files now, thank u for ur help everyone :-) |
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| 11:46.38 | wrs | MobyTurbo: sorry, i have to break for a while |
| 11:46.44 | llahm | genix: well, it's a little weird at first but when you get used to it it's a lot better and less annoying than bx |
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| 11:46.56 | MobyTurbo | wrs: OK |
| 11:46.56 | codemonk | how does it come that the apache2 sources are not complet? (some files are missing for compilation and yes i've got the dependencies installed too) |
| 11:47.00 | llahm | genix: in particular, it automatically uses alt-1, 2, 3 windows |
| 11:47.02 | simonrvn | bitchx was annoying after the first 5 minutes |
| 11:47.03 | smsmasters | is the kernel the hardware layer? |
| 11:47.10 | llahm | genix: it's smarted about syntax highlighting |
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| 11:47.17 | simonrvn | smsmasters: no. it interfaces with it |
| 11:47.21 | smsmasters | ok |
| 11:47.26 | llahm | genix: the help actually works instead of saying not implemented yet |
| 11:47.28 | llahm | genix: etc |
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| 11:47.39 | smsmasters | should the new kernel work with apm? |
| 11:47.41 | smsmasters | and power off |
| 11:47.42 | bob2 | codemonk: that could be a bug |
| 11:47.46 | bob2 | smsmasters: yes |
| 11:47.52 | genix | llahm, sounds great |
| 11:47.55 | smsmasters | thanks |
| 11:48.15 | genix | llahm, I guess you using irssi-text? |
| 11:48.26 | smsmasters | I repeat, You need to configure your boot loader -- please read your |
| 11:48.26 | smsmasters | bootloader documentation for details on how to add initrd images. |
| 11:48.32 | smsmasters | what do i do |
| 11:48.35 | simonrvn | llahm: BTW, thanks for all those links |
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| 11:48.52 | smsmasters | You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.4.27-2-686) |
| 11:48.52 | smsmasters | This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use |
| 11:48.52 | smsmasters | initrd. (An initrd image is a kernel image that expects to use an INITial |
| 11:48.52 | smsmasters | Ram Disk to mount a minimal root file system into RAM and use that for |
| 11:48.52 | smsmasters | booting). |
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| 11:48.56 | codemonk | could someone just try to compile the debian apache2 sources, to check if i'm making a mistake or if it's realy a bug |
| 11:49.25 | mt | Hello, I have no line with 127.0.0.0 and lo in the route table... Is it normal ? |
| 11:49.47 | caphuso | smsmasters: do that again and you'll be forcefully removed from this channel |
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| 11:49.54 | smsmasters | sorry |
| 11:50.08 | smsmasters | What do I do about the kernel installation |
| 11:50.22 | llahm | simonrvn: i am doing the best i can for you |
| 11:50.23 | genix | Is irssi GUI based and irssi-text text based? |
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| 11:50.31 | smsmasters | something about boot loader |
| 11:50.32 | galt | hi |
| 11:50.34 | llahm | genix: yeah i am using irssi-text |
| 11:50.43 | galt | xchat |
| 11:50.47 | llahm | genix: sorry for slow reply, was browsing on dialup *shudder* |
| 11:51.22 | genix | llahm, np but irssi is GUI and irssi-text is text based? |
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| 11:51.38 | genix | llahm, just want to make sure |
| 11:51.46 | smsmasters | I repeat, You need to configure your boot loader , what do I do? |
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| 11:52.12 | Pappa | name real good hex editor please.. |
| 11:53.10 | simonrvn | @tell Pappa -about search |
| 11:53.12 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: that depends upon if you're running lilo or grub |
| 11:53.26 | deja_vu | hi, i'm trying to install a second video card on xfree86 - the glint driver seems to freeze X if i'm using hardware acceleration on my primary display (nvidia) and the vesa driver insists that my card has 512KB RAM and ignores the specified VideoRam. :/ Any ideas? |
| 11:53.31 | smsmasters | im running lilo |
| 11:53.35 | llahm | genix: apt-cache search irssi | egrep ^irssi |
| 11:53.39 | smsmasters | Im not sure what to do |
| 11:53.46 | llahm | genix: this should answer your questions |
| 11:53.59 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: edit /etc/lilo.conf and modify it as the kernel installation warning screen tells you to. |
| 11:54.04 | llahm | genix: much faster than i can type over dialup ssh over 2000 mile distance |
| 11:54.07 | smsmasters | ok |
| 11:54.15 | Pappa | simonrvn: i know how to search. i wanted to know a good one, not a list of 30 possible. |
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| 11:54.19 | genix | llahm, hehe |
| 11:54.56 | genix | llahm, is non-US ever needed in sources.list? |
| 11:54.59 | simonrvn | Pappa: try each, see which you like |
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| 11:55.13 | llahm | genix: you need it for cryptographic stuff at times |
| 11:55.13 | smsmasters | I'm about to install a new kernel, do I just run lilo after and it will boot up? |
| 11:55.23 | llahm | genix: there is amazingly a US non-US mirror |
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| 11:55.29 | llahm | genix: a well kept secret |
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| 11:56.03 | MobyTurbo | llahm: it's a tiny repository, so leaving it in doesn't slow things down much. |
| 11:56.32 | llahm | genix: deb ftp://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian-non-US/ unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 11:56.38 | llahm | MobyTurbo: yes, agreed |
| 11:56.47 | llahm | MobyTurbo: it's a few bytes of package data |
| 11:56.52 | smsmasters | what do i have to after a kernel upgrade? |
| 11:57.04 | llahm | MobyTurbo: it's particularly fast from that secret US mirror |
| 11:57.13 | caphuso | smsmasters: reboot |
| 11:57.23 | smsmasters | Do you want me to create a link from /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-686 to initrd.img |
| 11:57.27 | smsmasters | yes or no? |
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| 11:58.35 | genix | llahm, is there contrib and non-free for non-us? |
| 11:58.45 | smsmasters | yes or no please |
| 11:58.45 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: if you modified /etc/lilo.conf as instructed, yes |
| 11:58.51 | llahm | genix: those exist for all repositories |
| 11:58.53 | smsmasters | I havent modified lolo.conf yet |
| 11:59.07 | llahm | smsmasters: dude, be patient |
| 11:59.14 | smsmasters | Im just worried, I might mess up |
| 11:59.19 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: you need to, or your system will be left in an indeterminate state. |
| 11:59.28 | smsmasters | how do i cancel the installation |
| 11:59.58 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: if you're going to ignore the advice I give you, then don't ask me any more questions. |
| 12:00.03 | genix | llahm, ok, guess my sources.list is complete now |
| 12:00.12 | smsmasters | ok, im in the lilo.conf file now |
| 12:00.20 | genix | deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 12:00.20 | genix | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main |
| 12:00.20 | genix | deb http://nonus.debian.org/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main non-free contrib |
| 12:00.32 | smsmasters | add an 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz |
| 12:00.32 | smsmasters | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.34 | smsmasters | what does that mean |
| 12:00.57 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: put it in that section |
| 12:01.18 | smsmasters | and do I also add "image=/vmlinuz" on another line? |
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| 12:01.39 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: it should already be there. |
| 12:01.45 | smsmasters | It didn't have that there |
| 12:01.49 | smsmasters | all it had was lba32 |
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| 12:02.10 | citral | smsmasters: put initrd=/initrd.img at the end of your existing image=/vmlinuz section |
| 12:02.10 | smsmasters | So should it be on one line: image=/vmlinuz initrd=/initrd.img |
| 12:02.19 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: you haven't seen the whole file, it's more than one screen you know |
| 12:02.25 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: not on one line, in one section |
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| 12:02.50 | smsmasters | oh shit, sorry |
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| 12:02.56 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: be careful, if you bork up lilo.conf you'll leave your system unbootable |
| 12:03.13 | smsmasters | damn |
| 12:03.18 | smsmasters | ok, i added it now in that stanza |
| 12:03.20 | smsmasters | fingers crossed |
| 12:03.21 | citral | smsmasters: have a rescue/install cd? |
| 12:03.23 | llahm | genix: you are a sarge user? |
| 12:03.27 | smsmasters | I have a cd yes |
| 12:03.28 | genix | llahm, yes |
| 12:03.31 | llahm | genix: yeah i think your sources are ok |
| 12:03.34 | citral | smsmasters: good. |
| 12:03.35 | genix | llahm, =) |
| 12:03.39 | llahm | genix: one sweet trick for you |
| 12:03.52 | llahm | genix: try the apt-setup command after you back up sources.list |
| 12:04.08 | genix | llahm, I know |
| 12:04.13 | smsmasters | do i put initrd=/initrd.img right underneath image=/vmlinuz |
| 12:04.13 | llahm | genix: it will pick all sweden-specific servers for you so you get the best speeds |
| 12:04.22 | llahm | genix: ok, just wanted to be sure i mentioned it |
| 12:04.35 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: that's a good place for it |
| 12:04.42 | llahm | genix: i tried about 5 or 6 usa servers on there before i found good ones to use |
| 12:04.44 | genix | llahm, hmm, I must sellect the mirror manually via apt-setup |
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| 12:04.50 | llahm | genix: one other thing |
| 12:04.51 | smsmasters | ok, i edited and saved the file now |
| 12:04.55 | smsmasters | Is that all I need to do? |
| 12:04.58 | genix | llahm, netsellect should do it |
| 12:05.19 | genix | llahm, but Im 1000 meter from my mirror so =) |
| 12:05.27 | citral | smsmasters: you need to run the "lilo" command as root now, to update your boot sector. |
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| 12:05.38 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: no, once you've installed your new kernel, you should re-run lilo. First type "lilo -t" to make sure it can parse things OK, if that goes well then run "lilo" |
| 12:05.47 | llahm | genix: here is another thing http://non-us.debian.org/README.non-US |
| 12:05.54 | smsmasters | Fatal: open /initrd.img: No such file or directory |
| 12:06.01 | llahm | genix: therein lies the list of all nonus mirrors |
| 12:06.09 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: did you tell it to make the symlink? |
| 12:06.14 | genix | llahm, nice |
| 12:06.15 | llahm | genix: where i found that priceless but anomalous US-based one |
| 12:06.15 | smsmasters | not yet |
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| 12:06.21 | smsmasters | shall i run apt-get install kernelhere first? |
| 12:06.27 | llahm | genix: so ironic |
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| 12:06.30 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: you should do that. |
| 12:06.37 | smsmasters | ok, hang on, thank u |
| 12:06.43 | KeithWeisshar | how much longer before sarge |
| 12:06.54 | MobyTurbo | KeithWeisshar: /topic |
| 12:06.55 | llahm | genix: now oddly two more have appeared |
| 12:07.08 | smsmasters | mkcramfs: ROM image write failed (wrote 2930688 of 4071424 bytes): No space left on device? |
| 12:07.09 | llahm | genix: but that one is like 200km away so is definitely closest |
| 12:07.30 | genix | llahm, yes it is, I thought that non-US was only a few mirrors |
| 12:07.34 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 12:07.47 | genix | llahm, but its the same thing as with the other sources |
| 12:07.51 | llahm | genix: yeah i don't understand how it is managed |
| 12:08.02 | llahm | genix: it used to only be like one horribly overloaded box |
| 12:08.09 | llahm | genix: now it is all over the place |
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| 12:08.42 | genix | llahm, really? Since when? |
| 12:09.08 | smsmasters | what is teh command to check the kernel version please |
| 12:09.20 | caphuso | smsmasters: uname -r |
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| 12:09.21 | andax | smsmasters : uname -a |
| 12:09.22 | llahm | genix: well back when i started to use debian in 1998 it was all off of one underpowered system... bad times |
| 12:09.45 | llahm | genix: i don't remember when it changed, i think about 2000 |
| 12:09.47 | genix | llahm, ok |
| 12:09.56 | llahm | genix: then it was about 3 systems on a rotating basis |
| 12:10.13 | genix | llahm, non-US = for cryptographic stuff give me an example |
| 12:10.17 | llahm | genix: i think it finally exploded to where it is now sometime after that |
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| 12:11.27 | nagual | how would i find folders above a certain size? |
| 12:11.39 | citral | man find |
| 12:11.49 | smsmasters | Setting up kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 (2.4.27-8) ... |
| 12:11.49 | smsmasters | mkcramfs: ROM image write failed (wrote 2930688 of 4071424 bytes): No space left on device? |
| 12:11.57 | smsmasters | I don't know what to do |
| 12:12.00 | nagual | citral: if you dont know, you dont have to answer. |
| 12:12.09 | llahm | genix: ok http://packages.debian.org/stable/non-US/ |
| 12:12.19 | llahm | genix: there is a nice neat report |
| 12:12.20 | smsmasters | Sorry, kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 is already the newest version. |
| 12:12.20 | smsmasters | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 80 not upgraded. |
| 12:12.21 | smsmasters | 1 packages not fully installed or removed. |
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| 12:12.26 | smsmasters | it's wierd, the kernel is still the old one |
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| 12:12.40 | ezhdeha | smsmasters: have u run out of space on /boot ? |
| 12:12.41 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 12:12.51 | ezhdeha | smsmasters: how have u partitioned your drive ? |
| 12:13.13 | llahm | genix: ssh2 is an example of a famous non US package |
| 12:13.15 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: in order for the kernel upgrade to take effect one has to reboot. Don't do that now though, your system is probably unbootable. |
| 12:13.16 | genix | llahm, nice again |
| 12:13.33 | citral | nagual: find -type d -size something /place but you're not going to remember it next time, better read the man page. |
| 12:13.38 | genix | llahm, ssh2 what is that good for |
| 12:13.44 | llahm | caphuso: it had to be done |
| 12:13.48 | ezhdeha | smsmasters: type `df` and see if u have enough space |
| 12:13.49 | genix | llahm, I have just tried ssh |
| 12:14.00 | llahm | genix: well basically all remote administration is done with ssh |
| 12:14.03 | llahm | genix: as you know |
| 12:14.04 | nagual | citral: thank you. (i have a file i put commands in that i dont remember.) |
| 12:14.10 | genix | llahm, yes |
| 12:14.16 | llahm | genix: and ssh2 is the current up to date version |
| 12:14.31 | llahm | genix: the old ssh1 was not as secure, though surely better than nothing |
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| 12:14.46 | llahm | genix: i think old ssh1 preferred 40-bit DES encryption |
| 12:14.52 | llahm | genix: not so hard to crack |
| 12:14.56 | genix | llahm, ah |
| 12:15.05 | genix | llahm, how can I check ssh version? |
| 12:15.07 | mijndert | Debian rulez :) |
| 12:15.19 | llahm | genix: ssh --version and sshd --version i imaging |
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| 12:15.56 | llahm | genix: ssh1 is like more ancient than potato though |
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| 12:16.02 | llahm | genix: unlikely to be installed |
| 12:16.15 | genix | llahm, "OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4, OpenSSL 0.9.7e 25 Oct 2004" |
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| 12:16.46 | blight | can anyone here recommend xfs over say ext3 for production servers? |
| 12:16.49 | andax | generally is it a good or bad idea to run 2.6.11 on a production system, or better stay with 2.4 series? |
| 12:16.52 | genix | llahm, this is OpenSSH it should be secure enought? |
| 12:17.10 | Gathond | genix: depends on the version |
| 12:17.15 | MobyTurbo | blight: only if you have a UPS and are dealing with very large files |
| 12:17.24 | Gathond | genix: openSSH have had its share of buffer overruns and the likes |
| 12:17.38 | andax | blight : it's much faster when listing directories with LOT of files like 1000+ |
| 12:17.40 | llahm | andax: we on SPARC are trying to move everybody to 2.6 |
| 12:17.47 | blight | MobyTurbo: okay, and against ReiserFS? |
| 12:17.49 | llahm | andax: works better for me, better drivers |
| 12:18.00 | llahm | andax: couldn't say for sure on x86 |
| 12:18.06 | andax | llahm : i have x86, it's cheap |
| 12:18.09 | genix | Gathond, check my version 10+ lines up |
| 12:18.09 | alfatau | hi, i discovered i have an unknown opened port on my machine. do u know how to identify what's the service which keeps that port opened?? |
| 12:18.19 | llahm | andax: it's really better to use x86 imho |
| 12:18.21 | MobyTurbo | blight: reiserfs is faster on lots of small files, but I've found reiserfs to loose data. |
| 12:18.27 | llahm | andax: sparc is slower and costs more |
| 12:18.28 | blight | andax: okay ... I'm not sure we have lots of large files ... mainly will be Apache web sites with some PostgreSQL |
| 12:18.34 | llahm | andax: and really is not any more stable |
| 12:18.43 | llahm | andax: and the hardware support is disappointing |
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| 12:18.56 | blight | MobyTurbo: okay so you are in favour of ext3 then? |
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| 12:19.02 | llahm | andax: i'd love to help dave miller, the lone developer, but i have no knowledge of the hardware |
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| 12:19.05 | MobyTurbo | blight: in most cases, yes |
| 12:19.07 | genix | llahm, ssh is both the server and the client? |
| 12:19.12 | zbrown | alfatau: man netstat |
| 12:19.13 | llahm | genix: yes |
| 12:19.30 | genix | llahm, then I should remove my current ssh and install ssh2 |
| 12:19.31 | genix | ? |
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| 12:19.38 | alfatau | zbrown: thanks.. |
| 12:19.39 | llahm | genix: no |
| 12:19.52 | llahm | genix: the one you have now is fine |
| 12:19.53 | genix | llahm, Why |
| 12:20.00 | genix | llahm, OpenSSH |
| 12:20.02 | llahm | genix: openssh uses the ssh 2 protocol |
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| 12:20.15 | genix | llahm, thats good |
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| 12:20.31 | llahm | genix: yeah, ssh 1 is obsolete |
| 12:20.47 | llahm | genix: but that doesn't stop shitheaded cisco from using it on their routers are firewalls |
| 12:20.50 | llahm | dumb bastards |
| 12:20.51 | andax | llahm : there is not much hw around that's actually not better than x86, but none of them beats the price for a good old 1ghz x86 box that runs anything and basically you get it for free |
| 12:21.09 | genix | llahm, Is the ssh that comes with woody using the ssh1 protocol do you think? |
| 12:21.36 | zbrown | genix: heh no, security would be something the deb devs are interested in and they wouldn't let that happen. |
| 12:21.51 | zbrown | thats asking for trouble running an obsolete protocol |
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| 12:22.10 | alfatau | and, supposing i want to run fsck on my fs, i must have fs unmounted or read-only. is there a way to mount the fs to be able to run fsck while booting or, best, without turning off the machine? |
| 12:22.10 | freet | hlo |
| 12:22.19 | MobyTurbo | genix: from what I remember Debian Woody runs a version of OpenSSH that supports ssh2 |
| 12:22.56 | zbrown | ello freet |
| 12:22.58 | freet | can i upgrade my kernel just running apt-get -y install kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8? |
| 12:23.01 | freet | zbrown: hoi |
| 12:23.21 | llahm | genix: nah ssh 1 is ancient |
| 12:23.30 | genix | MobyTurbo, ok, It really should since it's stable |
| 12:23.31 | llahm | genix: i think even before potato |
| 12:23.35 | assassin | and a vulnrability |
| 12:23.45 | llahm | genix: also most servers disallow ssh 1 from connecting |
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| 12:23.57 | torc | what could be the cause of "XIO: fatal IO error 104" ? |
| 12:23.59 | llahm | genix: so it's been slowly forced off teh intarweb, except for cisco crap |
| 12:24.19 | genix | llahm, lol |
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| 12:24.39 | nagual | why do i get 'find: /proc/27172/task/27172/fd/4: No such file or directory' when i do a find / -type d -size +10000k? |
| 12:24.39 | MobyTurbo | !aolize llahm |
| 12:24.41 | zbrown | !do cisco shit |
| 12:24.51 | freet | can i upgrade my kernel just running apt-get -y install |
| 12:24.51 | freet | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.55 | zbrown | genix: see, even dpkg won't touch cisco |
| 12:25.19 | ezhdeha | freet: wouldn't hurt to try |
| 12:25.43 | MobyTurbo | freet: that's not what it's for |
| 12:25.46 | freet | ezhdeha: well, i know, but had some "accidents" in the past u know :) |
| 12:25.51 | genix | zbrown, what is !do for? |
| 12:25.58 | zbrown | !do genix |
| 12:26.00 | ezhdeha | freet: :) well, u live and learn eh ? |
| 12:26.03 | kjoonlee | freet: I think it only installs source files. |
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| 12:26.09 | renegad3 | just curious llahm why you call it 'cisco crap'? |
| 12:26.11 | freet | MobyTurbo: then what is it for? |
| 12:26.16 | zbrown | genix: ^^ see above :) |
| 12:26.20 | MobyTurbo | freet: apt-cache show kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 will tell you |
| 12:26.20 | zbrown | !do llahm |
| 12:26.39 | hgoesm | hi |
| 12:26.41 | genix | !do sarge |
| 12:26.41 | llahm | genix: if you want a fun thing to do, scan yourself for exploits with nessus |
| 12:26.43 | ezhdeha | freet: if you just download a whole new kernel image into /boot then you can test it and if it fails, u can always go back to your working one |
| 12:26.52 | Plugster | debhelper: i have destroyed apache... it is complinig about suexec support can anyone help me? |
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| 12:27.10 | llahm | renegad3: i said already, because their ssh stack uses protocol version 1 with single-DES encryption |
| 12:27.21 | llahm | renegad3: also, because their stuff is flaky and overpriced |
| 12:27.27 | llahm | renegad3: and hard to use |
| 12:27.35 | renegad3 | hehe ok kewl ;) |
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| 12:27.40 | ezhdeha | freet: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-.... should do the trick |
| 12:27.44 | llahm | renegad3: i have an extra special hatred for PIX systems |
| 12:27.46 | ezhdeha | freet: r u using grub or lilo ? |
| 12:27.53 | freet | lilo |
| 12:27.58 | llahm | renegad3: i'd rather use M$ Internet Acceleration Server |
| 12:28.06 | renegad3 | ahh k |
| 12:28.11 | ezhdeha | freet: then u may have to edit the lilo.conf yourself |
| 12:28.12 | llahm | renegad3: it's a horrible thing to say that, it makes me cringe, but it's true |
| 12:28.18 | ezhdeha | freet: know how 2 do that ? |
| 12:28.19 | renegad3 | heheh |
| 12:28.23 | renegad3 | fair enough llahm |
| 12:28.40 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 12:28.41 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:28.47 | opcodevoid | Hi,i'm trying to get the internet working on a new installed debian package(woody).I think i need to reconfigure /etc/network/ file atm it says the first network card-this entry was created during instalation auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp. Any ideas if this may need editing? |
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| 12:29.00 | Plugster | debhelper: i have destroyed apache... it is complinig about suexec support can anyone help me? |
| 12:29.01 | freet | ezhdeha: not really, but can't i just install it, and then get grub again from ubuntu live cd, or another one? |
| 12:29.03 | llahm | renegad3: cisco's big problem is that they are like M$ monopoly-wise except worse |
| 12:29.10 | genix | llahm, no really, I just know these commands for this channel: !dpkg !tell I want to know them all but don't know where to find them |
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| 12:29.13 | petemc | opcodevoid: do you use dhcp? |
| 12:29.15 | llahm | renegad3: nobody else makes gigabite switch routers |
| 12:29.25 | opcodevoid | petemc,yep. |
| 12:29.28 | llahm | genix: i asked this question before, no luck |
| 12:29.31 | ezhdeha | freet: i wouldn't recommend it, you should be able to have several versions of the kernel installed at one time and switch between them with lilo |
| 12:29.37 | opcodevoid | via a router 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:29.41 | ezhdeha | freet: i've got 4 different versions that i can choose with lilo |
| 12:29.45 | freet | ah :d |
| 12:29.52 | llahm | renegad3: at least plenty of people make operating systems, so M$ is not totally competition free like Cisco |
| 12:29.52 | renegad3 | llahm, its true but theres not much we can do about it unfortunately |
| 12:29.56 | petemc | opcodevoid: looks good then, as long as the module is loaded for you nic (or compiled in) you should be good |
| 12:30.02 | freet | ezhdeha: so just fetch that package and adjust the lili.conf? |
| 12:30.05 | llahm | renegad3: well, actually we can |
| 12:30.07 | freet | lilo* |
| 12:30.12 | opcodevoid | Trouble is internet isn't working. |
| 12:30.23 | renegad3 | or eyes |
| 12:30.24 | petemc | llahm: what about juniper? |
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| 12:30.27 | opcodevoid | windows works a treat |
| 12:30.35 | ezhdeha | freet: yep - then make sure u run /sbin/lilo after u edit lilo.conf b4 u reboot as well |
| 12:30.44 | llahm | renegad3: work with linux software routing, tcp/ip offload engines, hardware firewall chips like on nforce boards, etc. |
| 12:30.48 | MobyTurbo | freet: apt-get install grub, don't mix Ubuntu and Debian packages |
| 12:30.49 | amorphix | anyone have or used a toshiba satellite laptop? |
| 12:30.55 | llahm | renegad3: just try to use other stuff |
| 12:31.03 | llahm | petemc: i didn't think they had any GSRs |
| 12:31.23 | freet | ezhdeha: and what exactly to adjust in the lilo.conf? |
| 12:31.25 | llahm | petemc: the GSRs are Cisco's Jade Buddha |
| 12:31.29 | ezhdeha | freet: i can email u my lilo.conf if u want, i play with a bit compiling my own custom kernels (many lost nights of sleep...) |
| 12:31.41 | opcodevoid | Would changing /etc/network/hosts help if i edit it too 127.0.0.1 loopback and localnet 192.168.0.1? |
| 12:31.54 | ezhdeha | freet: well, it won't hurt to get the new kernel image in any case |
| 12:31.56 | llahm | petemc: if somebody could shatter that it would go a long way to stamping out their hegemony of unusable schlock products |
| 12:32.00 | amorphix | how much is a PCMCIA 56k modem + 100/10 ethernet card worth? |
| 12:32.05 | freet | ezhdeha: ok if u want, freet@skynet.be |
| 12:32.06 | renegad3 | aight kewl llahm, thanks for your opinion :D |
| 12:32.27 | nagual | -mount for find should prevent it from descending into mounted fs´s right? |
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| 12:32.48 | MobyTurbo | darned dial-up |
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| 12:33.17 | llahm | renegad3: yeah have you heard about nvidia's newest nforce |
| 12:33.17 | renegad3 | no I havent |
| 12:33.19 | petemc | opcodevoid: whats the problem? can you ping ip addresses? ip addresses of hosts in your local network? |
| 12:33.21 | renegad3 | have you a URL? |
| 12:33.23 | llahm | renegad3: nforce 4 pro. two gigabit ethernet ports and a hardware routing tcp/ip firewall chip |
| 12:33.39 | opcodevoid | nope,i can't get anything whatsoever |
| 12:33.42 | llahm | renegad3: pretty sweet, you could do some serious fast networking on that |
| 12:33.45 | opcodevoid | not even pinging the router |
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| 12:34.06 | opcodevoid | When i boot debian i think eth0 isn't set up right. |
| 12:34.08 | petemc | opcodevoid: and the interface is up? |
| 12:34.15 | opcodevoid | It tends to stall their for ages. |
| 12:34.35 | llahm | renegad3: http://www.nvidia.com/page/nforce4_family.html |
| 12:34.43 | renegad3 | ta |
| 12:35.00 | llahm | renegad3: it also supports PCIe bus |
| 12:35.03 | opcodevoid | eth0 settings 100mps full duplex based on auto negotioated partner ability 41e1 |
| 12:35.09 | llahm | renegad3: serial PCI, insane bandwidth |
| 12:35.14 | opcodevoid | interface petemc? |
| 12:35.35 | llahm | renegad3: and they are just starting to release dual Opteron boards with that chipset |
| 12:35.36 | renegad3 | hrmm have to read more about it... |
| 12:35.39 | ezhdeha | freet: sent email |
| 12:35.41 | petemc | opcodevoid: do you have an ip address? |
| 12:35.44 | renegad3 | jeez |
| 12:35.46 | llahm | renegad3: i'm thinking about buying one myself |
| 12:35.52 | opcodevoid | Nothing using linux. |
| 12:36.02 | opcodevoid | Everthing okay on windows box. |
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| 12:37.02 | renegad3 | llahm, how much are you looking at buying one for? |
| 12:38.24 | freet | ezhdeha: ok thx |
| 12:38.26 | opcodevoid | can you do ipconfig on debian as you can with win? |
| 12:38.27 | ezhdeha | freet: np |
| 12:38.27 | llahm | renegad3: well, total for all components except optical drives (already have 16x dvd and 52x dvd) will be 2500 usd or 3000 usd |
| 12:38.27 | petemc | opcodevoid: ifconfig |
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| 12:38.27 | llahm | renegad3: but this is a monstrous system |
| 12:38.28 | renegad3 | yes it is :D |
| 12:38.28 | petemc | opcodevoid: you need to read a bit to grasp the basics |
| 12:38.28 | opcodevoid | Okay pete,i have to go.Ill try ifconfig and see whats set up. |
| 12:38.28 | llahm | renegad3: 10,000 rpm boot disk, 1200 gb storage, 2 gb ram, 2x2ghz opteron, etc. |
| 12:38.28 | llahm | renegad3: i could do it for much less |
| 12:38.28 | renegad3 | llahm, jeez thats, like almost - 5000 to 6000 AU |
| 12:38.28 | llahm | renegad3: but i figured, fuck it, might as well get the best |
| 12:38.28 | opcodevoid | petemc,i do on linux.I'm more than compitant on windows. |
| 12:38.33 | llahm | renegad3: i figure it's an investment in myself |
| 12:38.42 | renegad3 | for sure |
| 12:38.45 | llahm | renegad3: i can use it to do so much development and learning |
| 12:38.59 | opcodevoid | Is ifconfig a good start petemc? |
| 12:39.00 | llahm | renegad3: it will pay off in a few years i bet |
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| 12:39.09 | llahm | renegad3: and it will be future-proof |
| 12:39.11 | renegad3 | llahm, If I do some more hardcore things on meh machines I could fork out for one |
| 12:39.18 | ezhdeha | freet: let me know how it goes |
| 12:39.24 | petemc | opcodevoid: its a useful tool |
| 12:39.26 | opcodevoid | Plus do you have a link to get me the basics on debian/linux? |
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| 12:39.31 | llahm | renegad3: i won't have to upgrade for probably 5 years or a bit more |
| 12:39.37 | opcodevoid | Would help loads:-) |
| 12:40.00 | renegad3 | llahm, true |
| 12:40.33 | llahm | opcodevoid: oh boy do we ever have links to that |
| 12:40.39 | petemc | opcodevoid: the faq mentioned in the channel topic |
| 12:40.39 | llahm | !tell opcodevoid about faq |
| 12:41.47 | llahm | petemc: yeah i was wrong about juniper |
| 12:41.47 | freet | ezhdeha: i added the line in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 12:41.58 | freet | ezhdeha: but don't understand the link part |
| 12:41.59 | llahm | petemc: looks like they have some oc-capable switching equipment |
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| 12:43.47 | petemc | llahm: yeah, powered by freebsd too |
| 12:43.47 | llahm | petemc: so, pardon my french, why aren't they fucking up cisco's shit? |
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| 12:43.47 | petemc | llahm: smart people i know are using them |
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| 12:43.47 | opcodevoid | Cheers guys.It's a tad embarrasing especially as i'm quite advanced in other areas.I hate sounding ignorant. |
| 12:43.48 | ezhdeha | freet: the link part is basically because lilo seems to need a sym link in the / directory in order to access the new kernel |
| 12:43.48 | llahm | petemc: because just based on the sanity of their website compared to cisco, they are almost surely easier to deal with |
| 12:43.48 | ezhdeha | freet: check if it's done it automatically |
| 12:43.48 | opcodevoid | cya guys |
| 12:43.48 | llahm | petemc: is it because managers like the Cisco name? |
| 12:43.48 | petemc | llahm: lots of people have spent a lot of time money getting cisco certified |
| 12:43.48 | ezhdeha | freet: this is where grub makes life easier, but lilo works too |
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| 12:43.48 | llahm | petemc: ah, i get it, it's an inside job by the cisco people |
| 12:43.49 | llahm | petemc: yeah those certifications scare me |
| 12:43.49 | opcodevoid | llahm,i got my ccna from buying ccna 640-801 and using the sim disk then just payig for the exam. |
| 12:43.49 | llahm | petemc: once you have one you spend the rest of your life whoring yourself out to that company |
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| 12:44.04 | llahm | opcodevoid: i'm banking on a college degree in CS / German |
| 12:44.12 | opcodevoid | Cool. |
| 12:44.13 | llahm | opcodevoid: so far it's working |
| 12:44.23 | tomski | Hi, what relations do sim and kopete have? |
| 12:44.24 | opcodevoid | Congrats. |
| 12:44.34 | opcodevoid | Anyhow i'm outta here. |
| 12:44.34 | llahm | opcodevoid: i got a $30000 usd contract job / internship with no experience |
| 12:44.36 | opcodevoid | Peace. |
| 12:44.39 | llahm | opcodevoid: w00t! |
| 12:45.08 | llahm | might not be much pay but it beats the fuck out of -30000 usd like it was a few months ago |
| 12:45.11 | llahm | lol |
| 12:45.17 | freet | ezhdeha: i could send u the ls of my / directory? it looks similar but i'm here on this "family" kind of pc so i really don't want to screw up :d |
| 12:45.19 | opcodevoid | I'm meating someone soon down the pub. |
| 12:45.30 | llahm | opcodevoid: hmm, steak, lamb, what? |
| 12:46.05 | opcodevoid | meeting |
| 12:46.05 | opcodevoid | I'm so lazy |
| 12:46.05 | opcodevoid | :-P |
| 12:46.05 | petemc | im contemplating the pub too |
| 12:46.05 | ezhdeha | freet: sure - email it back 2 me |
| 12:46.05 | freet | ok |
| 12:46.05 | llahm | opcodevoid: does (s)he know (s)he's being meated? |
| 12:46.05 | llahm | opcodevoid: sounds like it could be painful |
| 12:46.05 | opcodevoid | lmao |
| 12:46.05 | petemc | tho i have to go into work first as our leased line is down |
| 12:46.06 | opcodevoid | Anyhow. |
| 12:46.09 | opcodevoid | Cheers. |
| 12:46.11 | llahm | my sleep schedule is all wacky |
| 12:46.15 | llahm | it's 5 AM |
| 12:46.22 | llahm | and i get up at 7 for work |
| 12:46.31 | petemc | oops |
| 12:46.31 | llahm | that's what i get for making the mistake of napping |
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| 12:46.45 | llahm | i hope to hell that nap was long enough |
| 12:46.49 | llahm | i didn't time out |
| 12:46.51 | llahm | time it* |
| 12:46.53 | freet | ezhdeha: there it is |
| 12:46.54 | llahm | double oops! |
| 12:47.36 | llahm | petemc: well i hope that we all can fight the power and take cisco down |
| 12:47.49 | bobesponja | I have a problem with my network, my samba is extremely slow, i need 5 minutes to download a 140Mb file, anyone know what could be the problem please? |
| 12:48.06 | llahm | petemc: i tried to get wireless installed in a dorm building a while ago |
| 12:48.31 | llahm | petemc: the university cisco-only network dickheads quoted us 6000 usd per access point |
| 12:48.46 | citral | bobesponja: I'd install an ftp server to compare and know if it comes from samba or from hardware |
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| 12:48.51 | llahm | holy shit! holy, holy, holy shit! great bleeding christ on a pogo stick! |
| 12:48.54 | ezhdeha | freet: i take it your new image is 2.6.10-1-686 ? |
| 12:48.55 | ruzbeh | what's wrong with this sudo line? %users ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/killall |
| 12:48.59 | freet | yes |
| 12:49.02 | llahm | and on top of that their access points are terribly flaky |
| 12:49.05 | freet | ezhdeha: indeed |
| 12:49.08 | maccadam | freet: wuk? |
| 12:49.14 | freet | maccadam: nix :) |
| 12:49.16 | ezhdeha | freet: and your current kernel is 2.2.20-idepci ? |
| 12:49.21 | freet | ezhdeha: jup |
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| 12:49.32 | bobesponja | citral: and if it comes to hardware what can I do? |
| 12:49.43 | citral | bobesponja: troobleshoot it... |
| 12:49.52 | ezhdeha | freet: well, as long as you have a match in lilo.conf and you've run /sbin/lilo as root then i'd say you should be ok to go *crosses fingers* |
| 12:49.54 | bobesponja | citral: that is? |
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| 12:50.22 | ezhdeha | freet: at least you should be able to go back to your other kernel in any case |
| 12:50.26 | citral | bobesponja: make tests to know where it comes from, disk, network cables etc. |
| 12:50.27 | genix | Should I learn nano or vim? |
| 12:50.32 | maccadam | freet: did it work :)? |
| 12:50.40 | ezhdeha | freet: but if you want to be super duper safe, have u got a net-install boot disk handy in case of the worst ? |
| 12:50.45 | freet | maccadam: momentje |
| 12:50.51 | citral | genix: vim rules, worth learning it |
| 12:50.52 | freet | ezhdeha: nope :p |
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| 12:51.11 | ezhdeha | freet: u got a cd-burner and a blank handy ? |
| 12:51.20 | genix | citral, have you some experience with nano? |
| 12:51.37 | freet | ezhdeha: yeah ofc :) |
| 12:51.51 | llahm | ezhdeha: a blank handy? i did not know anybody made blank cellular phones... |
| 12:52.12 | citral | genix: nano is the most basic and easy editor to use, vim is more evolved, for searching/replacing patterns etc. |
| 12:52.14 | freet | llahm: :D |
| 12:52.30 | ezhdeha | freet: ok - go here http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:52.36 | genix | citral, good answer |
| 12:52.43 | alfatau | hi, supposing i want to run fsck on my fs, i must have fs unmounted or read-only. is there a way to mount the fs to be able to run fsck while booting or, best, without turning off the machine? |
| 12:52.50 | genix | citral, then I stick with vim =) |
| 12:52.51 | ezhdeha | llahw: allow me to rephrase :) does he have a blank cd available |
| 12:52.58 | citral | genix: yes. |
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| 12:53.31 | tarzeau | doesn't chdir() affect where a file is fopen()ed? |
| 12:53.50 | ezhdeha | freet: then burn that image to a cd - it's a nice failsafe in case things get... well - ugly |
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| 12:53.58 | llahm | ezhdeha: sorry i couldn't resist |
| 12:54.12 | freet | ezhdeha: ok :)) |
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| 12:54.15 | ezhdeha | llahm: :) would've done the same if i were in your position hehe |
| 12:54.31 | freet | ezhdeha: there goes my last bandwidth :d |
| 12:54.56 | ezhdeha | freet: aaaahahaha, i'm in exactly the same boat ! the damn 1st of april can't come fast enough!!! |
| 12:55.08 | freet | yeah :d |
| 12:55.11 | ezhdeha | freet: does your isp have a good mirror ? |
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| 12:55.21 | ezhdeha | freet: if so get it off there, it's on most mirror sites |
| 12:55.27 | freet | it's another 4 days though :( |
| 12:55.32 | ezhdeha | freet: then it wont count 2 your bandwidth |
| 12:55.46 | freet | ezhdeha: well yeah, almost half way now :( |
| 12:56.03 | ezhdeha | freet: yeah, when i go over my limit my bandwidth gets cut from 12Mbps to 28.8kbps :( :( |
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| 12:56.38 | llahm | ezhdeha: that's worse that my modem *gasp* |
| 12:56.43 | llahm | ezhdeha: i get 54.6 |
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| 12:57.00 | freet | ezhdeha: same here :( |
| 12:57.22 | freet | ezhdeha: but it's less than 12 Mbps for me i think |
| 12:57.42 | ezhdeha | llahm: ouch my friend, that must hurt |
| 12:57.54 | ezhdeha | llahm: so i guess apt-get isnt your friend then |
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| 13:00.11 | ezhdeha | freet: oh yeah just a pointer as well, write down your network settings before u try that net-cd - if u have DHCP then don't worry |
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| 13:00.35 | citral | !u |
| 13:00.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:01.08 | freet | ezhdeha: dhcp here :) |
| 13:01.19 | llahm | ezhdeha: well i am a sneaky bastard |
| 13:01.25 | MobyTurbo | citral: a lot of people have been ignoring that factoid lately. |
| 13:01.40 | llahm | ezhdeha: i have my box connected to a 2-megabit fiber line |
| 13:01.46 | citral | MobyTurbo: yeah, needs to be hammered. |
| 13:01.47 | llahm | ezhdeha: and i live by ssh |
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| 13:01.59 | ezhdeha | llahm: ahhh, very nice :) |
| 13:02.07 | llahm | ezhdeha: but kernel upgrades scare the holy shit out of me |
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| 13:02.24 | ezhdeha | llahm: yeah, they r a bit nervy 2 begin with |
| 13:02.26 | llahm | ezhdeha: quake in my boots every time |
| 13:02.35 | ledet | llahm: console over ip is your friend :) |
| 13:02.40 | MobyTurbo | !aolify ezhdeha |
| 13:02.45 | llahm | ezhdeha: esp because it is sparc and nobody offsite can comprehend openboot |
| 13:02.48 | ezhdeha | llahm: but i have an nforce2 motherboard which = custom kernel build every time 4 me if u want 2 use debian |
| 13:03.13 | llahm | ezhdeha: well i do software routing and stuff, so i have to do that too |
| 13:03.27 | ezhdeha | llahm: so i'm quite accustomed to kernel compiling - testing now through necessity |
| 13:03.29 | llahm | ezhdeha: except there are no rescue discs like knoppix for sparc64 |
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| 13:03.38 | ledet | ezhdeha: plz 2 be sp3llink like a normal p3rs0n0rz... k |
| 13:03.39 | ledet | :) |
| 13:03.41 | llahm | ezhdeha: so if i fuck up remotely fixing it is a bit |
| 13:03.51 | llahm | ledet: yeah i know about ip console stuff |
| 13:04.01 | llahm | ledet: but none that support sun serial keyboard |
| 13:04.09 | ledet | llahm: heh |
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| 13:04.21 | llahm | ledet: unless i go carrier class, which is more than it'd cost for a whole dual cpu opteron |
| 13:04.23 | ezhdeha | ledet :) i'm a grammatical master baby :) |
| 13:04.32 | llahm | ledet: which would eliminate my whole problem anyhow |
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| 13:04.46 | ezhdeha | ledet: sorry - a gr4mm471c4l m4573r |
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| 13:04.55 | ledet | ezhdeha: so it would seem :) |
| 13:05.19 | llahm | hahaha |
| 13:05.43 | ezhdeha | anywayz, daylight savings comes off 2nite, so i gotta make the most of my extra hour sleep - nite everyone! |
| 13:05.56 | ezhdeha | freet: good luck buddy! |
| 13:06.06 | freet | ezhdeha: ok thx :) |
| 13:06.18 | hail04 | lol |
| 13:06.24 | hail04 | daylight savings ended last night |
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| 13:06.42 | hail04 | or the night before |
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| 13:07.11 | resiak | !would I get hit for thx? |
| 13:07.14 | hail04 | shizza the easter break messes with your knowledge of the day of the week |
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| 13:12.00 | llahm | oh yeah you EU people have different DST |
| 13:12.40 | swb | Hi, I tried to compile kernel 2.6.11 (debian source) but every time this error comes: ld: drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/built-in.o: No such file |
| 13:12.43 | resiak | Hell, mine changed 36 hours ago and I'm in the EU. |
| 13:12.59 | rob^ | swb, yep compiling kernels in debian sucks |
| 13:13.02 | resiak | Oh, I was reading what people said backwards :| |
| 13:13.21 | resiak | swb: Try just not compiling that module. Oh, are you using make-kpkg, out of interest? |
| 13:13.38 | chrysopa | Hi, I have a singular problem. I have a apt-proxy installed en working. All machines connect in this site end get the files. But only one computer dont connect. It return this message: Err http://insecta.ufv.br testing/non-US/non-free Packages 404 is not serviced by this server |
| 13:13.43 | swb | I use make-kpkg |
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| 13:13.54 | chrysopa | What is the problem |
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| 13:13.59 | swb | I did not find a config option for this module |
| 13:14.01 | resiak | chrysopa: Read the last line. |
| 13:14.22 | resiak | swb: Hell, you're using a bleeding-edge kernel... Read the docs :) |
| 13:14.31 | llahm | resiak: ours will not change until 2 next sunday |
| 13:14.32 | chrysopa | yes, but the service is working for all others machines!! |
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| 13:15.18 | chrysopa | the problem is not on server, but on client. But I dont undestand what is the problem.] |
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| 13:15.23 | resiak | chrysopa: Is the /etc/apt/sources.list _identical_ on all the machines? If so, maybe that particular mirror is in the process of updating. |
| 13:15.25 | chrysopa | Very strange] |
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| 13:15.38 | chrysopa | is, I make a copy of the file |
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| 13:15.45 | idefx | Hi guys, i've got some problems with udev, after having installed it, i only have "rules.d" and "scripts" directory in /etc/udev, and I should have the udev.conf at least. This make my system unuseable |
| 13:15.59 | resiak | idefx: What version of Debian? |
| 13:16.20 | wrs | Re |
| 13:16.22 | resiak | chrysopa: Just wait a few and try again. |
| 13:16.38 | chrysopa | No, I open two terminal, one in each computer side by side. In one computer it work, in another no. Stranger:( |
| 13:16.43 | swb | resiak: yeah, but since there came a debian source package, I thought it is save to use my old config, do a " make oldconfig" and go ahead ;-) - I'll try to find something in the doc... thanks for now |
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| 13:17.07 | resiak | swb: You're using a non-2.6.11 .config? |
| 13:17.12 | chrysopa | I try all solutions, the network is OK, but dont work. |
| 13:17.35 | idefx | resiak: unstable |
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| 13:17.42 | swb | resiak: i took my 2.6.10 config and ran "make oldconfig" |
| 13:18.06 | wishie | ive installed the ipmasq package, which seems to make ip masq work, but now whenever i add an iptables rule from the command line, it logs to the screen |
| 13:18.07 | officinax | hi |
| 13:18.15 | resiak | swb: You can't use a different kernel version's config ever. That's what's causing the problem -- it's trying to build a module which doesn't exist or has been renamed. |
| 13:18.15 | wishie | how can i disable the logging to the screen ? |
| 13:18.19 | officinax | i have a problem with soundcard |
| 13:18.40 | llahm | resiak: not totally true |
| 13:18.43 | resiak | officinax: Just ask your question. |
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| 13:18.48 | llahm | resiak: tell him about make oldconfig |
| 13:18.49 | resiak | llahm: It's good enough for government work :) |
| 13:18.57 | resiak | llahm: he tried that. |
| 13:18.59 | wishie | resiak: i always use my config from a previous kernel version |
| 13:19.02 | wrs | MobyTurbo: So, i did the drive. Deinstalled the alienated jdk and files it installed, fetched java-package, used it to convert Sun's java, installed it as root. Tried any java applets. None was shown. ... Restarted konqueror, tried again - same result. Tried it in mozilla - same. What now? Restart the whole session .. machine? |
| 13:19.04 | llahm | resiak: it failed? |
| 13:19.06 | resiak | Waah! *runs away* |
| 13:19.11 | llahm | resiak: wow that is a rarity |
| 13:19.21 | llahm | resiak: i'd run away too, this sounds scary |
| 13:19.24 | chrysopa | Look: Obtendo:1 http://insecta.ufv.br testing/main Packages [3232kB] |
| 13:19.32 | swb | resiak: that's what "make oldconfig" for - it worked all the time, even on the 2.4 -> 2.6 switch |
| 13:19.32 | resiak | You're all obviously far too 1337 for me,so I'm going. |
| 13:19.47 | MobyTurbo | wrs: rebooting won't do anything except for kernel installations. This isn't Windows |
| 13:19.49 | officinax | i active my soundcard soundblaster pnp with "modprobe sb" but then i reboot the system (knoppix) i lost that |
| 13:20.56 | wrs | MobyTurbo: Yes, i know. But sometimes i think there could be correlations. |
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| 13:21.00 | officinax | how i can "block" my soundcard settings? |
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| 13:21.15 | wrs | MobyTurbo: Then, any idea? |
| 13:21.15 | MobyTurbo | wrs: what does "java -version" say? |
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| 13:22.22 | wrs | MobyTurbo: |
| 13:22.25 | wrs | java version "1.5.0_02" |
| 13:22.25 | wrs | Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_02-b09) |
| 13:22.26 | wrs | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_02-b09, mixed mode, sharing) |
| 13:22.41 | MobyTurbo | wrs: then it is there... |
| 13:22.44 | bobesponja | citral: ftp is just as slow as samba |
| 13:22.57 | officinax | resiak? |
| 13:23.03 | wrs | MobyTurbo: Yes. |
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| 13:23.24 | wrs | MobyTurbo: But, the question is: How to make it accessible for browsers? |
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| 13:24.03 | MobyTurbo | wrs: what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so say? |
| 13:24.04 | wrs | MobyTurbo: Additionally, i installed kdebindings-java, but i assume, that's not the right way |
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| 13:24.41 | wrs | MobyTurbo: It says: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 62 2005-03-28 14:50 /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 13:25.11 | officinax | anyone can help me? |
| 13:25.13 | MobyTurbo | wrs: that looks right. |
| 13:25.14 | wrs | MobyTurbo: What does that mean? |
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| 13:25.28 | MobyTurbo | wrs: what does mozilla's "about:plugins" say? |
| 13:25.46 | MobyTurbo | wrs: it looks like the symlinks are correct. |
| 13:26.08 | wrs | MobyTurbo: It mentions flash and futursplash. No java at all |
| 13:26.20 | wrs | MobyTurbo: Oops, sorry... |
| 13:26.22 | MobyTurbo | wrs: very strange |
| 13:26.24 | wrs | MobyTurbo: wait... |
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| 13:27.37 | bobesponja | my network won't go faster than 500Kb/s, do you guys know how could I fix this? |
| 13:28.01 | wrs | MobyTurbo: Didn't see the scroller; it was hidden by another window ... about:plugins say: application/...java...applets and ...beans 1.1 to 1.5.0_02 activated: true (but no endings) |
| 13:28.10 | MobyTurbo | bobesponja: I wish I had that to fix, my connection is 56K |
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| 13:28.38 | officinax | how can i save a modprobe modification? |
| 13:28.38 | tomski | Hi, I have problems with nautilus. It changes it's view as list to view as lumiere or as icons at random. The icons are quite large and adjusting the preferences produces no better results. Anyone a suggestions where I can look for a solution? |
| 13:28.43 | MobyTurbo | wrs: that looks like it's there. Check the preferences menus to see if Java support is activated in your browsers. |
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| 13:29.07 | bobesponja | MobyTurbo: I'm talking about my network speed, not my internet connection speed |
| 13:29.13 | wrs | MobyTurbo: That's an idea... |
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| 13:29.31 | MobyTurbo | bobesponja: ah, sorry |
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| 13:29.58 | rob^ | obey your master!! your life burns faster!! obey your master, master. Master of puppets are pulling strings!! |
| 13:30.36 | takatumi | officinax: man modules |
| 13:31.14 | jeanmi__ | how am I supposed to get the openswan modules ? (I run a kernel 2.6.10-1-686) |
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| 13:33.24 | tomski | Hi, what file manager are you using? |
| 13:33.48 | Unskill3d | what OS u r using? |
| 13:33.52 | rob^ | xffm |
| 13:33.57 | mwilson | !u |
| 13:33.58 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:34.03 | misfitx7 | im trying to mount an hfs partition in the shell of the sarge installer and it wont let me, the partition is hda7, i think i set it up in fstab properly, any suggestions? |
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| 13:34.06 | citral | STOP THE MORON SPEAK FFS |
| 13:34.23 | rob^ | stop yelling at us |
| 13:34.31 | wrs | MobyTurbo: Strange... I can't find the "enable java/enable javascript" checkboxes anymore ... excuse me i have to do a look at google.. |
| 13:34.33 | Unskill3d | oh im in debian... my windows confuse me =) |
| 13:34.46 | tomski | Unskill3d, are you referring to me? |
| 13:34.55 | Unskill3d | nevermind |
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| 13:35.07 | Unskill3d | im using gnome-cmmander atm |
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| 13:36.14 | intero | where can i find old debs which dont seem to be in the repository anymore? |
| 13:36.25 | markybob_gone | intero you dont |
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| 13:36.55 | citral | !snapshot |
| 13:36.56 | dpkg | well, debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 13:37.03 | citral | intero: ^^ |
| 13:37.05 | intero | thanks citral |
| 13:37.12 | intero | markybob: ^^ |
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| 13:37.31 | tomski | Unskill3d, ah, ok never used that one. I am quite disapointed with nautilus. I will try that oune you are using. |
| 13:37.33 | wrs | MobyTurbo: Apparently i've been awake too long for now. The check box where i left it, but again i overlooked it. Once checked, the test applets work fine. |
| 13:37.48 | wrs | MobyTurbo: Thanks for all the help. |
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| 13:40.03 | mwilson | I'm sure he'll be complaining momentarily that gnome-commander is Gnome 1.4. |
| 13:40.05 | genix | When I run "su x; cp -r /baskup/ /home/" the script stop after I have enter my password, how can I solve this? |
| 13:40.06 | Unskill3d | tomski: yes nautilus sux. gnome commander is aligned to total commander which i use under win |
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| 13:41.16 | caphuso | genix: you need to run cp in the new shell opened by su |
| 13:41.29 | jeanmi__ | how am I supposed to get the openswan modules ? (I run a kernel 2.6.10-1-686) |
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| 13:42.21 | genix | caphuso, ok |
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| 13:42.41 | genix | caphuso, then the new user must run the rest off the script |
| 13:42.45 | genix | caphuso, thank you |
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| 13:44.23 | genix | caphuso, So there is no way to run a script that switch to another user and then set commands for that user? |
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| 13:45.27 | caphuso | genix: su -c script |
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| 13:46.25 | genix | caphuso, "su x -C script; cp -r /baskup/ /home/" ? |
| 13:46.47 | Unskill3d | mwilson: the version 1.1 for gnome 2.x worx fine too |
| 13:47.00 | caphuso | genix: man su. read description of -c option |
| 13:47.54 | resiak | officinax: You called? Why? |
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| 13:49.11 | officinax | my problem is: i have a pnp soundblaster... i active that with modprobe... but then when i reboot the system (knoppix) i lost modprobe settings |
| 13:49.58 | axk | officinax, modconf |
| 13:50.05 | officinax | i have add aliases + options string in modules.conf too |
| 13:50.20 | resiak | officinax: Oh, so you just said my name for no reason in the hope that that would magically jog my memory? |
| 13:50.31 | w3seek | is anyone here who could help me solve some weird problems getting the icq transport working on my jabber server? |
| 13:50.39 | resiak | w3seek: #jabber ? |
| 13:50.48 | w3seek | oh ok thx |
| 13:50.59 | genix | caphuso, "su x -c; cp -r /baskup/ /home/" do not work, I have read the man page |
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| 13:51.34 | mwilson | genix: But apparently can't do what he told you to do. |
| 13:51.34 | markybob | genix no no no no....put "cp -r /backup/ /home/" in a file called food. chmod +x foo. su -c foo |
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| 13:51.48 | caphuso | genix: go buy yourself a decent unix introduction book |
| 13:51.56 | bolete | Sarge netinstall freezes on scrollkeeper "Rebuilding the database..." Any ideas? |
| 13:51.56 | markybob | s/food/foo |
| 13:52.17 | caphuso | something that at least explains roughly how a shell works and why you can't add semicolons wherever you want |
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| 13:53.24 | genix | markybob, ok, now I get it =) |
| 13:53.36 | markybob | genix but yeah, go read a book :) |
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| 13:54.01 | genix | markybob, 2 moths off exerience =) |
| 13:54.09 | genix | exp* |
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| 14:00.52 | drac | Is there /usr/share/doc/something, or package, or url with instructions to crypt whole partition of disk (/home, xfs at the moment) with e.g. blowfish? |
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| 14:03.02 | markybob | drac try this http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=HOWTO |
| 14:03.54 | SquareRt | wu-ftpd any good? |
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| 14:04.19 | markybob | SquareRt use vsftpd |
| 14:04.41 | citral | vsftpd! |
| 14:04.43 | SquareRt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.55 | SquareRt | it says it'll remove those lol |
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| 14:05.23 | SquareRt | markybob: does vsftpd support kerberos? |
| 14:05.40 | drac | markybob: great, thnks. |
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| 14:08.57 | genix | Where is the mail account settings saved in evolution? |
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| 14:09.19 | markybob | genix somewhere on ~/.evolution |
| 14:09.33 | markybob | :) |
| 14:09.57 | genix | markybob, I have deleted everything there but the accounts is in evolution |
| 14:10.42 | markybob | genix that doesnt make sense. ~/.evolution/mail/config keeps it all. |
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| 14:11.51 | ico2 | hi |
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| 14:12.11 | ico2 | i am getting this error xprint: applet not found |
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| 14:12.30 | ico2 | when trying to install xprint_1%3a0.1.0.alpha1-9_i386.deb |
| 14:12.36 | markybob | genix has your evolution-data-server been restarted since you deleted it? |
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| 14:13.21 | ico2 | any ideas why? |
| 14:13.35 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 14:13.35 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen starving ostriches. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:13.37 | genix | markybob, I have just restarted evolution, I don't know how to restart the evolution-data-server |
| 14:13.56 | Roki | Hi! I just wanted to thank you all debian developers for the first OS that I was able to install into my Sun SS IPC. =) |
| 14:13.59 | ico2 | lol |
| 14:14.07 | genix | markybob, do you know how to do it |
| 14:14.44 | ico2 | so, does anyone know how to install xprint properly and avoid this error? |
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| 14:14.53 | markybob | genix i'd just restart x. or you can ps aux, find evolution-data-server and kill it |
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| 14:17.04 | Roki | Next I'm going to install debian in my primary linux box. I've tried about 15 other distributions since 1995 and debian looks like what I want. |
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| 14:17.24 | volksport | can anyone help me figure out how to use input and output from a background process |
| 14:17.44 | SAO | hi all |
| 14:17.52 | bobesponja | is there something like /etc/conf.d on debian? |
| 14:17.56 | greycat | volksport: #bash maybe |
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| 14:18.06 | volksport | k |
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| 14:19.21 | SAO | could someone help me, how to confgure the daemon cpufreqd for my notebook (need frequenzy demon for speedstep) i installed it, but dont remind the messaged command for reconfigure it, was something like: dpkg -reconfig cpufreqd or so ;-) pls hlp |
| 14:19.37 | greycat | man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:20.41 | baard | If I have a buggy SDL program that makes Xfree86 use 100% cpu I can't stop it because X doesn't take any input. The solution is to shutdown the computer, but I don't want that. Any way to `nice` X in some way to avoid this? _Really_ anoying |
| 14:20.57 | SAO | @greycat thx so much, i always tried dpkg -reconfigure cause i thought its dpkg and didnt found an -reconfigure switch, now i know why ;-) |
| 14:21.02 | bobesponja | anyone? my network card is damn slow and I would like to know how I could configure it to be faster |
| 14:21.24 | Niriven | baard: goto a tty and kill the process? |
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| 14:21.54 | bobesponja | I use a Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029, it's a 10/100 yet it doesn't go faster than 500Kb/s :( |
| 14:21.57 | jeanmi__ | has anyone here gotten ipsec to work under debian (kernel 2.6) ? |
| 14:22.16 | baard | Niriven: I can't , that's the problem. Perhaps this is a kernel issue? Pressid tab/numlck doesn't affect the leds |
| 14:22.24 | baard | pressing* |
| 14:22.36 | saloxin | baard: try ssh from other machine? |
| 14:22.40 | Niriven | baaard: What about ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 14:22.46 | baard | Niriven: no |
| 14:22.55 | Niriven | baaard: Ok, ssh in then :) |
| 14:23.01 | Niriven | Or fix your problem |
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| 14:23.11 | greycat | bobesponja: make sure it's using the correct duplex |
| 14:23.24 | amorphix | hi greycat |
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| 14:23.38 | bobesponja | greycat: and how can I be sure of that? :) |
| 14:23.58 | Niriven | ifconfig? |
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| 14:24.22 | baard | takes a little time to ssh into the laptop that I'm working on, not very productive then. I don't think a program that runs like a normal user should lock up the computer like that |
| 14:24.26 | saloxin | bobesponja: mii-tool |
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| 14:24.41 | SAO | damn: as i installed cpufreqd he showed some questions i think a ncurses shell tool or so, but now he just stops and restarts cpufreqd while i tried dpkg-reconfigure cpufreqd |
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| 14:25.32 | ico2 | sorry, connection died |
| 14:25.33 | bobesponja | saloxin: SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Operation not supported |
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| 14:25.50 | saloxin | bobesponja: crap network card |
| 14:25.55 | ico2 | so, did anyone come up with anything on how to stop my xprint install error? |
| 14:26.18 | markybob | wow. now that's funny |
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| 14:26.28 | markybob | i didnt realize we were all supposed to be working hard looking for an answer |
| 14:26.32 | ruzbeh | i can use gdm with any desktop environment can't i? |
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| 14:26.45 | SAO | is someone knowing a good apt repos. ? some i can find things like mplayer, openmortal, quake3a client etc. ? such things dont shine to be on a deb mirror ;-((( |
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| 14:27.04 | gluon | Could someone here using KDE 3.4 help me for a second? |
| 14:27.05 | saloxin | SAO: apt-get.org |
| 14:27.05 | greycat | ruzbeh: yes, for some values of "use ... with" |
| 14:27.17 | Roki | ruzbeh: yes you can. |
| 14:27.26 | SAO | saloxin is that a command ? |
| 14:27.30 | SAO | .org ? |
| 14:27.35 | markybob | sao point your browser to it |
| 14:27.48 | ico2 | well, cya |
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| 14:27.52 | saloxin | SAO: no. use a browser and go to http://apt-get.org. further instructions upon arrival |
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| 14:28.00 | SAO | lol thx ;-( noob's my name ;-( lol myself |
| 14:28.12 | kraftwerk | does anyone here work with rosegarden4? |
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| 14:32.38 | Nijan | hello, my mozzilla firefox download manager doesn't download anything, any idea? |
| 14:32.45 | Zvpun | how can I (as a user) disable the system wide installed searchplugins in mozilla-firefox? |
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| 14:33.56 | saloxin | Nijan: set download folder to an existing one in preferences? |
| 14:34.12 | Nijan | of course |
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| 14:34.24 | Nijan | it worked until yesterday |
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| 14:35.14 | Zvpun | Nijan: are you sure the server is not down? |
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| 14:35.28 | WizeGuy | Heya guys. Is there a norwegian debian channel around here? |
| 14:35.46 | Nijan | yes :) |
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| 14:35.55 | calin | HOw can I configure tightvnc to use the gnome desktop instead of the blackbox or openbox |
| 14:36.08 | jetscreamer | !nl |
| 14:36.08 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 14:36.17 | tarzeau | who was i talking with yesterday about msx and maze of galious? |
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| 14:36.55 | saloxin | WizeGuy: i don't think the populatioon size supports a separate channel ;-) why? |
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| 14:37.31 | calin | Maybe he's eccentric and like to get debian support in norwegian? |
| 14:37.47 | WizeGuy | Not likely calin. |
| 14:37.53 | saloxin | or maybe it's an åæø issue |
| 14:38.02 | WizeGuy | hehe, nothing like that. |
| 14:38.27 | WizeGuy | Actually, I would have liked to get in touch with someone who is in charge of the debian website, the norwegian section of it. |
| 14:38.44 | xenoduck | Hallo, velkom shmelkom, I yam dat peerson |
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| 14:38.52 | xenoduck | How can I maken wit helpen for yu |
| 14:38.54 | markybob | "constitution does not permit judicial review of acts of the States General" eek...not where i wanna be |
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| 14:40.13 | conreyt | Hi all anyone using the AMD64 version? I'm having a problem getting the nvidia drivers to work, they seenm to install properly, however when I run glxgears the frame rates stink. |
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| 14:40.24 | tarzeau | someone feels like testing a game package? |
| 14:41.05 | fabrizio | hi all |
| 14:41.18 | toresbe | WizeGuy: well, what help can I give you :P |
| 14:41.19 | calin | 5 ^C? hahahaa |
| 14:41.27 | fabrizio | i need an optimum cd maker for debian |
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| 14:41.34 | fabrizio | some help? |
| 14:41.37 | toresbe | conreyt: are you using the nVidia driver? |
| 14:41.43 | toresbe | fabrizio: huh? |
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| 14:42.20 | conreyt | toresbe: yes I've installed the nvidia module, I get the annoying splash at X startup, however the frame rates are suckin. |
| 14:42.26 | fabrizio | i need an optimum cd burner maker software... |
| 14:42.40 | conreyt | fabrizio: cdrecord |
| 14:42.51 | toresbe | conreyt: odd. |
| 14:43.10 | tarzeau | http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mog/ download both files, install using dpkg -i maze*.deb , run mog and read man mog |
| 14:43.29 | conreyt | toresbe: I think that I have conflicting libs however I'm not sure what libs to scrub in X |
| 14:43.53 | toresbe | conreyt: me neither :P |
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| 14:44.52 | conreyt | fabrizio: you see that cdrecord <------- "optimum cd burner blah blah blah........" |
| 14:45.09 | saloxin | WizeGuy: i think email to debian-www@lists.debian.org is an option |
| 14:45.31 | Glow | hey, is there a way of creating a mailbox without creatind a separate user in the system..? |
| 14:45.43 | mijndert | Hi Rickes :) |
| 14:45.51 | greycat | !l33t mail |
| 14:45.52 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my mail system to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false!!!!! |
| 14:45.54 | conreyt | Glow: yes what are you using for mail |
| 14:46.10 | fabrizio | how to set /etc/fstab for use a CDRW? |
| 14:46.10 | Glow | conreyt, Exim |
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| 14:46.47 | conreyt | Glow: I know that telling you to use a different package is annoying but I'm really pleased with hula. |
| 14:47.00 | fabrizio | i set this:/dev/hdd; /cdrw;iso9660 ro,user,noauto;0 0 |
| 14:47.17 | WizeGuy | saloxin: thanks. |
| 14:47.17 | WizeGuy | :) |
| 14:47.52 | Glow | conreyt, oh well ;] would switching to postfix help..? |
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| 14:48.27 | MaXtOrS | can any body help me at get startded with fdebian and kde |
| 14:48.34 | greycat | fabrizio: what the HELL are those semicolons doing in there? |
| 14:48.41 | MaXtOrS | can any body help me at get startded with debian an kde |
| 14:48.49 | MaXtOrS | and kde |
| 14:48.53 | MaXtOrS | ????? |
| 14:48.57 | Eclipser | #debian-kde |
| 14:49.00 | fabrizio | greycat: what? |
| 14:49.01 | conreyt | Glow: postfix may help, I tried it earlier for a mailserver I was running, and have since since switched my personal mailserver to Hula |
| 14:49.02 | Eclipser | apt-get install kde |
| 14:49.08 | conreyt | no no no |
| 14:49.30 | Eclipser | no? |
| 14:49.37 | conreyt | Eclipser, MaXt0rs : max where are you in your install |
| 14:50.05 | conreyt | no cause apt-get install kde gets EVERYTHING way to much. |
| 14:50.10 | Roki | fabrizio: "/dev/hdd /cdrw iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0" is correct line |
| 14:50.18 | conreyt | apt-get install kde-base, |
| 14:50.25 | conreyt | apt-get install kdm |
| 14:50.47 | Eclipser | conreyt, for those who don't know what they want, apt-get install kde is fine :) |
| 14:50.47 | Eclipser | imo |
| 14:50.48 | Roki | fabrizio: and i guess that you have the directory "/cdrw" |
| 14:51.12 | Eclipser | downloading full kde package would take about 15 minutes for me :< |
| 14:51.16 | conreyt | MaXt0rs: apt-get install kde-base kdm that will get you a login manager, and kde-base will get you a desktop |
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| 14:51.53 | Uberjohn | logout |
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| 14:52.25 | conreyt | MaXt0rs: that will get you started and won't take forever to download. After that you can read and get other packages as nessesary |
| 14:52.54 | Eclipser | 100Mbit für alles! |
| 14:52.59 | Eclipser | :) |
| 14:53.07 | MaXtOrS | i dont even have debian or any thing |
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| 14:53.22 | Eclipser | what do you have then?-p |
| 14:53.53 | Eclipser | is there a complete beginners debian howto/tutorial?-p |
| 14:53.54 | MaXtOrS | can some one please talk to me in a private chat and tell me how to deg linx and all that IM DON'T WHANT WINDOWS ANY MORE |
| 14:54.12 | conreyt | MaXt0rS: I will I've got some time lol |
| 14:54.13 | drac | deg linx? |
| 14:54.28 | drac | dog legs? |
| 14:54.34 | greycat | MaXtOrS: no, we won't be your private chatbots. |
| 14:54.43 | greycat | !tell MaXtOrS about ask |
| 14:55.09 | quiet | !tell MaXtOrS to use Ubuntu :P |
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| 14:55.38 | greycat | !tell me something good </rufus> |
| 14:55.58 | Glow | conreyt, thanks, i think im through. |
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| 14:56.59 | Eclipser | bleh |
| 14:57.08 | Eclipser | my local newsserver doesn't have alt.comp.linux :< |
| 14:57.53 | abrotman | i dontl think it's alt.comp.linux |
| 14:58.02 | FieldySnuts | rec.badgers |
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| 14:58.19 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: porn? |
| 14:58.19 | laxise | anyone here using ICq??? |
| 14:58.20 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:58.27 | abrotman | icq is evil |
| 14:58.38 | Eclipser | news.kolumbus.fi (which I have access from my parents place) had alt.comp.linux, news.cc.tut.fi doesn't |
| 14:58.43 | Eclipser | laxise, _o/ |
| 14:58.44 | laxise | yes but u can use it via gaim |
| 14:58.48 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:58.48 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:58.49 | Roki | laxise: why? irc is better. |
| 14:58.55 | abrotman | so is jabber |
| 14:59.00 | abrotman | hell .. anything is |
| 14:59.03 | FieldySnuts | amen |
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| 14:59.06 | Eclipser | gnomeicu > jabber :) |
| 14:59.09 | abrotman | Eclipser: i thought it was like comp.os.linux |
| 14:59.18 | Eclipser | abrotman, there's that too :) |
| 14:59.20 | FieldySnuts | i have an icq uin in the low 1 million range, every time i get on it all i get is spam |
| 14:59.30 | abrotman | Eclipser: i'm pretty sure comp.os.linux is the main one |
| 14:59.35 | laxise | im using irc too ... i did not say that ICQ is better than anything else i only wanna know if anyone here is using ICQ ... |
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| 14:59.50 | Eclipser | but news.cc.tut.fi only have comp.os.linux subgroups :< |
| 14:59.51 | abrotman | laxise: hhow about .. why? |
| 14:59.55 | Eclipser | s/have/has/ |
| 15:00.13 | Eclipser | laxise, I use ICQ |
| 15:00.14 | laxise | abrotman: need to know if ICQ is working with my gaim |
| 15:00.30 | Eclipser | gaim is awful though :< |
| 15:00.35 | abrotman | you don't have any friends on icq? |
| 15:00.50 | laxise | Eclipser: ill give you my ICQ number and pls write me something |
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| 15:01.13 | Eclipser | !pls |
| 15:01.13 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 15:01.14 | laxise | abrotman: i have but they are all unreachable at this moment :) |
| 15:01.23 | Eclipser | laxise, ok :) |
| 15:01.24 | abrotman | laxise: bad friends :) |
| 15:01.26 | calin | What's wrong with gaim? |
| 15:01.28 | SAO | hi all, i got another one ;-( i want to make a 3 step install of a kde-windows-decor-theme but if i start ./configure it says i dont got QT3.1 (20021021) how to fix that, btw. iam under KDE isnt it QT? so how could i use KDE but cant find QT ;-? crazy |
| 15:01.39 | laxise | abrotmna: something like that |
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| 15:01.56 | calin | SAO, you have QT, but not the header files. |
| 15:01.56 | Eclipser | calin, I never liked it for many reasons... I got over it and fixed gnomeicu myself and issued a patch to the author :) |
| 15:02.06 | SAO | how to install em ? |
| 15:02.21 | calin | Eclipser: oh, so you mean only for ICQ? |
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| 15:02.29 | Eclipser | yeh |
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| 15:03.56 | SAO | i got the package libqt3-headers ver. 3.3.3.3.-8 installed, so what is this ? a bug ? |
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| 15:04.25 | greycat | you have WHAT? |
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| 15:04.33 | greycat | !info libqt3-headers sid |
| 15:04.36 | familieascherl | hiho |
| 15:04.38 | dpkg | libqt3-headers: (Qt3 header files), section devel, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.3-8 (sid), Packaged size: 339 kB, Installed size: 2440 kB |
| 15:04.46 | greycat | my god. when did they do *that*? |
| 15:04.52 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:04.52 | greycat | !info libqt3-dev sid |
| 15:04.56 | dpkg | libqt3-dev: (Qt development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.3-8 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 15:05.04 | rudson | okay... thatll do work... |
| 15:05.08 | Albacker | can someone give me what should I get to have gnome installed in my progeny, it doesnt have gnome/kde. please ? |
| 15:05.08 | greycat | !depends libqt3-dev sid |
| 15:05.17 | dpkg | libqt3-dev: depends on xlibs-static-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libxext-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libxrandr-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), x-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libsm-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libxmu-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libice-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libx11-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libxt-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libmng-dev (>= 1.0.3), libpng12-dev | libpng12-0-dev, libjpeg62-dev, zlib1g-dev, libfreetype6-dev, libc6-dev, libqt3c102 (= ... |
| 15:05.24 | greycat | Albacker: this is not #progeny |
| 15:05.26 | FieldySnuts | @lart progeny |
| 15:05.32 | SAO | cat what you do there ? |
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| 15:05.44 | FieldySnuts | greycat: but nobody's there! (preemptive excuse) |
| 15:05.50 | Albacker | greycat, progeny == debian ! |
| 15:05.51 | Albacker | right ? |
| 15:05.57 | FieldySnuts | guess. |
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| 15:06.10 | greycat | Albacker: please tell me you're a very, very bad troll. |
| 15:06.11 | SAO | progeny is made by the founder of debian ;-) |
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| 15:06.26 | greycat | Albacker: because my only other choice is to conclude that you're too stupid to be allowed to continue being here. |
| 15:06.29 | SAO | so what shall i do ? |
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| 15:06.39 | dfd | Hello\ |
| 15:06.48 | ep | Whats so great about ubunto, you guys are always recommending it? |
| 15:06.48 | ulitz | can I change an existing partition to be part of a logical volume group, without losing the data on it? |
| 15:06.52 | rudson | hey you! i got another question for you folks. i'm trying to establish a lan between a windowsXP and linux_debian(testing)_kde... i heard quite something about samba by now. in the "samba configuration" it says "smb.conf" not found what shall i do? |
| 15:06.55 | greycat | ep: we're not. |
| 15:07.01 | Albacker | greycat, you must be too stupid to tell someone that he's too stupid. . . |
| 15:07.07 | greycat | rudson: ls /etc/samba |
| 15:07.09 | SAO | my install breaks saying i dont got qt3 bla... but i can see in synaptic that libqt3-headers are installed |
| 15:07.22 | greycat | SAO: try libqt3-dev instead. |
| 15:07.29 | greycat | god only KNOWS what crap "-header" is. |
| 15:07.30 | SAO | ok i try |
| 15:07.36 | rudson | greycat: nothing in there |
| 15:07.47 | greycat | rudson: dpkg -l samba | tail -1 |
| 15:07.52 | abrotman | Albacker: progeny is not debian .. and i'm not sure progeny even releases anything anymore |
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| 15:08.08 | abrotman | !d-i Albacker |
| 15:08.09 | SAO | btw he has got libqt3-mt-dev is that a kind of threaded dev ones he cant find ? |
| 15:08.09 | dpkg | Albacker, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:08.11 | conreyt | progeny uses debian and yes they still release |
| 15:08.23 | abrotman | but progeny is not debian |
| 15:08.24 | rudson | i dont even have that folder! |
| 15:08.27 | rudson | :( |
| 15:08.30 | greycat | conreyt: they "use" us how? As a dumping ground for their newbies? |
| 15:08.31 | abrotman | lots of projects use debian .. they still aren't debian |
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| 15:08.33 | dfd | [Q] Altough I have DRI compiled in kernel, enabled in X config file, video card with hardware acceleration properly working I keep having this message: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". What do I need to do? |
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| 15:08.59 | conreyt | greycat: um yes actually that a good description, that how I got started using debian three years ago |
| 15:08.59 | greycat | !depends libqt3-headers sid |
| 15:09.04 | SAO | progeny is trying to create a new art of distribution of a linux |
| 15:09.04 | dpkg | libqt3-headers: does not depend on anything |
| 15:09.24 | SAO | its modular linux, you can make it a server, so it makes its own kernel suit that |
| 15:09.39 | SAO | you want a sound machine, it makes a kernel to that needs |
| 15:09.41 | Albacker | netinst CD image, with Debian base << does this have gnome/kde ? |
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| 15:09.52 | SAO | but is that good ? |
| 15:09.52 | Zvpun | how can I (as a user) disable the system wide installed searchplugins in mozilla-firefox? |
| 15:10.27 | misfitx7 | can anyone tell me how or if i can mount an hfs partition in the sarge install cd |
| 15:10.28 | greycat | SAO: it's probably "good" if you're a Gentoobian. |
| 15:10.29 | linuxfreck | Zvpun: preferences -> downloads -> plugins |
| 15:10.31 | conreyt | greycat: after I switched my apt sources to debian testing did a dist-upgrade etc. I was technically not using progeny anymore. However for "newbies" as you so graciously called them the anaconda installer works well |
| 15:10.37 | sao | ive been ;-) |
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| 15:10.47 | sao | now iam deb sargi ;-) |
| 15:10.54 | sao | or trying to be ;-) lol |
| 15:11.04 | greycat | conreyt: are you sure dist-upgrade replaced *every* file on the system? |
| 15:11.21 | sao | i miss emerge -Du World deep or whatever kinds of emerge, but apt is nice too for me |
| 15:11.25 | Albacker | greycat , netinst CD image, with Debian base < does this have kde/gnome ? |
| 15:11.28 | Zvpun | linuxfreck: I cant disable search plugins there. It only gives me SPL file and SWF file options to disable. |
| 15:11.39 | greycat | Albacker: no, but it lets you install kde/gnome quite easily. |
| 15:11.51 | sao | so grey you think its a failure cause of no "normal" dev package ? |
| 15:12.09 | greycat | sao: I give up trying to 'think'. Did it *work*, or *not*? |
| 15:12.16 | Albacker | greycat ? how ? |
| 15:12.22 | Albacker | greycat ? apt-get install gnome ? |
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| 15:12.42 | calin | Albacker: I'm sure google can tell you |
| 15:12.47 | sao | if i want to install the dev package for qt he wants to remove this libqt3-mt-dev package damn it |
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| 15:13.13 | Albacker | because greycat I have that one too. and I just want the URL of the .deb files [cos I'm going in a computer with fast-conn |
| 15:13.13 | greycat | sao: hmm... "apt-cache show libqt3-dev" is interesting reading. |
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| 15:14.24 | abrotman | jamshqiptar! |
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| 15:14.46 | [mortck] | hi! anybody can help me with apt_preferences? |
| 15:15.23 | ProfesZor | Hi, I want instal install Debian 3.0.r4 (Woody) but wondered if someone could help me with cfdisk 2.11n please? - I want a seperate /boot partition at the beginning of the disk. - Should this only be 5-10MB? |
| 15:15.41 | abrotman | ProfesZor: i'd made it a bit more |
| 15:15.51 | ProfesZor | abrotman: 100MB? |
| 15:15.55 | dfd | less |
| 15:15.59 | abrotman | Albacker: and yes .. you apt-get install gnome |
| 15:15.59 | dfd | I use 30 MB |
| 15:16.03 | abrotman | ProfesZor: 25-50 probably |
| 15:16.13 | abrotman | ProfesZor: depending how many kernels you like to have |
| 15:16.18 | greycat | ProfesZor: you probably can't make a partition that small on any currently-sold-on-the-shelves hard disk anyway... |
| 15:16.28 | dfd | ehm I have 50.. |
| 15:16.34 | conreyt | greycat: of course not, however now im in the apt sourse for future debian updates |
| 15:16.36 | sao | what you mean with that greycat? dont speak in a puzzle to me ;-? makes me more confuse than helping me |
| 15:16.37 | ProfesZor | Thanks all. Gonna give this a whirl - Ive tried installing SUSE 9.2 but it wont install - I've heard Debian is more stable - BRB |
| 15:16.46 | abrotman | Albacker: jamshqiptar! |
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| 15:17.05 | dfd | ProfesZor: of course it is :-) |
| 15:17.11 | greycat | sao: type "apt-cache show libqt3-dev" at a Debian shell prompt (sarge or sid box) and FUCKING READ IT. That's what I mean. |
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| 15:17.23 | conreyt | ProfesZor: debian is more stable but in the debian channel do you expect anything else? :) |
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| 15:17.39 | Zap-W | i have a pIII 600mhz cpu , not coppermine should i select PII optimization or PIII in kernel config |
| 15:17.41 | kat | greycat: Chill! :) |
| 15:17.42 | TBBle | And it smells nicer. |
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| 15:17.46 | green_earz | ProfesZor: do you have a dsl connection if so go for a debian sarge net install. |
| 15:17.47 | dfd | greycat lol |
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| 15:17.55 | abrotman | Zap-W: it's 686 |
| 15:18.07 | abrotman | Zap-W: did you actually read the description for PIII ? |
| 15:18.22 | Zap-W | abrotman: i read both |
| 15:18.30 | abrotman | Zap-W: and what does it say? |
| 15:18.54 | conreyt | ProfesZor: I enjoy using the netinstall disc, and have a dsl connection, however if you're trying to use dial-up it's much easier to get the cd's from someone and do a update upgrade after. |
| 15:18.57 | outlaw | could some please tell me the path (on a debian mirror) to network install floppies for sarge? |
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| 15:19.05 | Zap-W | abrotman: maybe you can alaborate it for me |
| 15:19.06 | conreyt | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:19.08 | abrotman | !686 |
| 15:19.09 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M. |
| 15:19.14 | abrotman | Zap-W: make sense? |
| 15:19.16 | sao | so i readed it greycat |
| 15:19.19 | green_earz | ProfesZor: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:19.24 | conreyt | outlaw: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:19.41 | ulitz | if I create a logical volume group, does it change any of the partitions or wipe the data on an existing hard drive? |
| 15:19.52 | codemonk | apache2 doesn't seam to build on sarge, could anyone check that? |
| 15:19.57 | Zap-W | abrotman: that dosent say much |
| 15:20.10 | sao | but i already tried to install these compat header package |
| 15:20.16 | greycat | Zap-W: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686 |
| 15:20.24 | abrotman | Zap-W: it says as much as you need to know .. your CPU is a 686 |
| 15:20.39 | outlaw | looking for floppy images not CD conreyt |
| 15:20.48 | Zap-W | bananas , then why 4 different options to select from |
| 15:20.48 | tarzeau | takatumi: there? |
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| 15:20.56 | bebe | athlon xp = K7? |
| 15:20.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:21.00 | greycat | !k7 |
| 15:21.00 | dpkg | [k7] the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 15:21.02 | outlaw | but I will check that dir |
| 15:21.12 | bebe | ta greycat |
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| 15:21.32 | conreyt | outlaw: http://www.debian.org |
| 15:21.38 | dfd | ehm k7 includes also the mobile version of athlon xp? |
| 15:21.43 | Putiikki | yes |
| 15:21.48 | conreyt | outlaw: they're browsable :) |
| 15:21.52 | dfd | okay |
| 15:21.54 | dfd | !dri |
| 15:21.54 | dpkg | somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri, or /join #dri |
| 15:22.04 | dfd | oh useful :> |
| 15:22.08 | kat | ulitz: I think it would delete some in the prep of the lv, why do you ask? |
| 15:22.19 | dfd | where does this bot find information? |
| 15:22.21 | sao | btw. why isnt debian using xorg x11 still xfree ? |
| 15:22.30 | greycat | sao: /topic |
| 15:22.31 | abrotman | dfd: afaik .. it's not amd64 or k6 or less .. it's k7 |
| 15:22.39 | outlaw | ok conreyt I'll keep looking |
| 15:22.43 | morbius | how can i fix this? http://pastebin.ca/8365 |
| 15:22.44 | dfd | abrotman: okay thx |
| 15:23.02 | sao | greycat you are somking of moderator here ? |
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| 15:23.09 | ulitz | kat: I wanted to change one of my partitions to be a lv so that I can add another hd to the group so I can enlarge the partition |
| 15:23.14 | abrotman | he is king .. i think :) |
| 15:23.16 | Zap-W | it says for PIII/and coppermine celeron |
| 15:23.16 | Zap-W | but i am not sure if they take for granted that the PIII is coppermine |
| 15:23.16 | Eclipser | which package includes gnome sound preferences thingie? |
| 15:23.26 | Zap-W | my PII isnt coppermine |
| 15:23.29 | greycat | Zap-W: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686 |
| 15:23.29 | Zap-W | PIII |
| 15:23.29 | abrotman | Zap-W: it's for your CPU .. please .. believe me |
| 15:23.38 | Zap-W | greycat: what is |
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| 15:23.58 | Zap-W | i am recompiling from source , stop stuffing that |
| 15:23.59 | abrotman | Zap-W: your CPU is 686 or PIII |
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| 15:24.02 | greycat | Zap-W: if you have to ask all these questions, that's what you should be donig instead. |
| 15:24.03 | kat | ulitz: Have a read of http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/LVM-HOWTO.html |
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| 15:24.24 | abrotman | Zap-W: if you don't believe us .. ask another channel |
| 15:24.30 | greycat | Zap-W: we are not going to hand-hold you through a custom kernel build and then listen to you whine and cry when it breaks. |
| 15:24.42 | ulitz | kat: yeah I read some of it already but didn't want to risk messing up the stuff already on the partition |
| 15:24.51 | greycat | Zap-W: use a Debian kernel-image, or go to a Linux support channel |
| 15:24.51 | Zap-W | now you are exaudurating |
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| 15:25.03 | conreyt | greycat: steps up to the plate......it's a fastballl and yes its out of the PARK! |
| 15:25.10 | Oranges | is it easy to set up an apacheserver/router with debian? |
| 15:25.11 | Zap-W | if you dont know or cant help me say so in the first place |
| 15:25.22 | greycat | *PLONK* (again) |
| 15:25.27 | Zap-W | i asked a specific question and you are telling me to apt-get install kernel;a.sd.asd |
| 15:25.36 | conreyt | Zap-W: it's not a matter of us not knowing... |
| 15:25.38 | sao | greycat maybe he shall use kpkg ;-? |
| 15:25.46 | kat | utilz: You need to create a volume group from physical volumes (partitions) and then you create lv's on in the vg. It will destroy what is already on there, you'll need to backup and restore to it afterwards. |
| 15:25.52 | greycat | sao: only if he can do it himself without asking us for help |
| 15:26.10 | sao | since when you are a deb ? |
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| 15:26.24 | conreyt | Zap-W: ask your specific question again |
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| 15:26.49 | Zap-W | you moron , i've been using it since it came out , it's just that i got a new PIII non coppermine cpu and was thinking of recompiling the kernel |
| 15:26.53 | FromTO | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.59 | conreyt | Zap-W: ask your specific question again |
| 15:27.00 | FromTO | \joine #emacs |
| 15:27.08 | Zap-W | forget it |
| 15:27.24 | dfd | spam? o_O |
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| 15:27.31 | conreyt | Zap-W: I haven't been using it since it came out only for 4 years... when did it come out again? |
| 15:27.38 | kat | Zap-W: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:27.59 | Zap-W | kat : i know about that |
| 15:28.00 | abrotman | Zap-W: i've told you 5 times .. it's a 686 CPU .. |
| 15:28.03 | dfd | somebody says me Sid is becoming |
| 15:28.04 | ulitz | kat: what confuses me is the volume group from physical partitions.. is that like volume group 1 that contains /home or something? |
| 15:28.07 | conreyt | Zap-W: ask your specific question again |
| 15:28.09 | Zap-W | kat : it isnt' copper mine Katmai |
| 15:28.15 | abrotman | so fucking what? |
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| 15:28.18 | abrotman | it's a god damned 686 |
| 15:28.21 | Zap-W | so blow me |
| 15:28.25 | dfd | somebody says me Sid is becoming stable.. can i pass to it without drammatic problems? |
| 15:28.26 | abrotman | for the bazillionth time |
| 15:28.32 | greycat | dfd: they lied. |
| 15:28.32 | conreyt | Zap-W: is that a question> |
| 15:28.34 | abrotman | Zap-W: you're a fucking moron |
| 15:28.39 | ruzbeh | a quick question for you guys, why does amule look like shit? its as if version 2.0.0.something.something is using GTK1! |
| 15:28.41 | Zap-W | i can say the same about you |
| 15:28.51 | dfd | greycat: still giving problems? |
| 15:29.04 | sao | Zap-W come on dont make this sapam, are you a ms user ? |
| 15:29.08 | greycat | !tell dfd about sid faq |
| 15:29.16 | valdyn | Zap-W: why dont you read the help text coming with your favourite kernel config tool? |
| 15:29.16 | ulitz | kat: do I erase the whole hd with creating a volume group? |
| 15:29.19 | Zap-W | Hah , lol |
| 15:29.19 | dfd | thx :P |
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| 15:29.20 | Unskill3d | dfd: sarge bocoming stable |
| 15:29.20 | abrotman | sao: no .. he's not .. he comes in here all the time .. and never believes us |
| 15:29.21 | greycat | sao: he's the #debian village idiot |
| 15:29.37 | Zap-W | greycat is a dickhead |
| 15:29.52 | sao | huh i thought that was me lol iam new so lol at that one ;-) |
| 15:29.52 | Zap-W | not all people stay behind like you greycat |
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| 15:29.53 | conreyt | greycat: *can you feel the love tonight * |
| 15:29.59 | abrotman | Zap-W: come on . be sensible .. 5 people have told you 50 times that it's a 686 |
| 15:30.03 | greycat | !sing monday |
| 15:30.03 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
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| 15:30.07 | Zap-W | abrotman: DUh |
| 15:30.14 | abrotman | so listen to us |
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| 15:30.18 | sao | zap-w why you are that bad man ? |
| 15:30.19 | kat | utilz: You need to read that HOWTO but basically (hda3 hdb5) -> myvg -> (homelv varlv swap) |
| 15:30.22 | abrotman | go compile your kernel .. it's a damnm 686 |
| 15:30.26 | dfd | yes I know.. but I was just wondering if it currently have big problems.. last time I tried sid it broken my x server :-) |
| 15:30.26 | conreyt | Zap-W: its a 686 (now 7) |
| 15:30.33 | Unskill3d | Zap-W: why u touch a running system ? |
| 15:30.46 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:30.47 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 15:30.54 | sao | never change a running system i readed much times lol |
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| 15:31.06 | Zap-W | Unskill3d: why do you bother to think ?! |
| 15:31.22 | abrotman | greycat: spare us the torture! |
| 15:31.33 | sao | lol |
| 15:31.36 | sao | i agree |
| 15:31.43 | conreyt | heh |
| 15:31.47 | sao | with abrotman |
| 15:31.54 | misfitx7 | how do i manually run the configuration that is suposed to run after the first rebot |
| 15:32.06 | misfitx7 | reboot |
| 15:32.15 | greycat | abrotman: it would spare us the torture, if he becomes a Gentoo use and joins #gentoo instead of #debian. Admittedly, we wouldn't be spared if he became a Gentoo user and then stayed here. |
| 15:32.18 | valdyn | misfitx7: base-config |
| 15:32.26 | greycat | abrotman: but in the latter case, we could just ban him |
| 15:32.35 | misfitx7 | tank you |
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| 15:32.55 | bsims | I am considering upgrading my KDE on Sid to 3.4... if its a crash-a-matic version how painful is it to downgrade back to 3.x? |
| 15:33.17 | greycat | bsims: as a sid user, you are expected to know how to do that. |
| 15:33.22 | sao | Zap-W: I come from Gentoo, you know it ;-? I can explain it to you, its much more tunable than any other linux ;-) maybe |
| 15:33.25 | bebe | whats sit0? |
| 15:33.28 | bebe | under ifconfig |
| 15:33.29 | greycat | !sit0 |
| 15:33.31 | sao | sit=unstable |
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| 15:33.40 | greycat | sao: no, sid = unstable |
| 15:33.42 | sao | mabye sid ? |
| 15:33.43 | greycat | !sit |
| 15:33.44 | sao | lol |
| 15:33.48 | bsims | greycat: I know how but I was wondering about how much pain was involved <g> |
| 15:33.53 | greycat | damn it, I thought there was a factoid for that |
| 15:34.05 | bebe | sit0 is IPv6-to-IPV4 |
| 15:34.06 | bebe | :P |
| 15:34.09 | valdyn | !remove kde |
| 15:34.10 | dpkg | [remove kde] apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 15:34.10 | greycat | sit0 is some sort of tunneling interface, perhaps IPv6 |
| 15:34.15 | bebe | "in sorry |
| 15:34.21 | bebe | greycat: yeah |
| 15:34.30 | valdyn | bsims: it should be what dpkg just said, and installing the old one after that |
| 15:34.31 | bebe | greycat: must be default for 2.6.10 |
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| 15:34.45 | sao | then why you asked that one (foolish) so much spam here, in gentoo it wasnt, why you all are that spamming and are that agressive mostly |
| 15:34.48 | bebe | is there a way to get rid of all the ide controller modules that are loaded at boot up |
| 15:34.51 | conreyt | anyone running amd64 install? |
| 15:34.52 | bsims | valdyn: thats what I thought, but was just wanting a second oponion |
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| 15:34.54 | greycat | valdyn: and maybe fucking with ~/.kde* |
| 15:34.57 | sao | you cant wait till release of sarge right ? |
| 15:34.58 | mwilson | bsims: Since there are no official 3.4 debs, it's going to depend on how you're planning on installing 3.4, wouldn't you say? |
| 15:35.04 | drac | conreyt: people at #debian-amd64 are. |
| 15:35.11 | bsims | mwilson: probably from alioth |
| 15:35.14 | conreyt | well thank you drac |
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| 15:35.38 | DogWater | Howdy, if sarge just pops up and says "grub stage1.5" how to i change the loader settings? |
| 15:35.45 | DogWater | it doesnt give me a menu? |
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| 15:35.52 | mwilson | I can't imagine anyone voluntarily installing 3.4, but I guess it takes all kinds. |
| 15:35.58 | valdyn | bsims: and see what greycat said.. "rm -r ~/.kde*" ( no idea if / where else kde stores config ) |
| 15:36.02 | abrotman | greycat: heh |
| 15:36.48 | bsims | eh mwilson I /like/ KMail, I know I know burn the heretic |
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| 15:37.02 | Eclipser | is there anything to integrate xmms into xftaskbar4? |
| 15:37.10 | green_earz | DogWater: here a link for grub howto, it may be of help ? http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/grub/grub.htm |
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| 15:37.32 | Kzimm | hi |
| 15:37.50 | bimmerd00d | newb here, just tried updating my kernel to 2.6.11.6, and i got a kernel panic error upon boot, anyone have some time to help? |
| 15:38.23 | Kzimm | somone seems use my www-data user for sending 10000 mail from my mail server what can i do ? :/ |
| 15:38.25 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, did you leave your other kernel to grub/lilo conf to boot it? |
| 15:38.28 | drac | Why 'df' is saying me 'df: `/dev/.static/dev': Permission denied', using udev, 2.6 |
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| 15:38.31 | mwilson | Gee, starts off with the plea for sympathy... how wonderful. |
| 15:38.38 | Kzimm | can i make stop www-data to have permit to send mail ? |
| 15:38.49 | greycat | Kzimm: depends on your MTA. |
| 15:38.55 | bimmerd00d | i dont follow very well eclipser, it's in teh boot list |
| 15:39.02 | bimmerd00d | linux, linux (OLD) |
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| 15:39.11 | greycat | Kzimm: in the most general case, no you cannot. If someone can get to a shell as www-data, then can always open a TCP socket to port 25 on your MTA. |
| 15:39.13 | abrotman | what .. he left without a smart comment? |
| 15:39.14 | Kzimm | greycat postfix |
| 15:39.19 | DogWater | isnt it supposed to present me with a menu? |
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| 15:39.25 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, can you boot to your old kernel? |
| 15:39.38 | Kzimm | greycat: i think think they access to the shell / |
| 15:39.47 | Eclipser | (which I assume worked before you compiled a new kernel) |
| 15:39.47 | bimmerd00d | exact error is "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (3,3) |
| 15:39.47 | Kzimm | greycat: how can i verifie |
| 15:39.51 | bimmerd00d | yes i can boot to old kernel |
| 15:40.05 | Eclipser | that looks like grub misconfiguration |
| 15:40.07 | valdyn | Kzimm: vi /etc/passwd |
| 15:40.10 | conreyt | any nvidia smart folks here? |
| 15:40.14 | Eclipser | I've never used grub though |
| 15:40.22 | Kzimm | valdyn ? |
| 15:40.22 | officinax | hi |
| 15:40.30 | mwilson | conreyt: Do you have an actual question, or are you taking a survey? |
| 15:40.41 | bimmerd00d | i tried to use lilo, but woody defaults to grub i guess |
| 15:40.53 | bimmerd00d | i edited lilo.conf as the guide i used told me to |
| 15:40.55 | DogWater | is grub supposed to present a menu at boot time? |
| 15:40.56 | valdyn | Kzimm: thats where the login shell of users is set |
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| 15:41.10 | mwilson | No, Woody defaults to lilo. If you're using grub, it's because YOU put it there. |
| 15:41.15 | bimmerd00d | i'd like to use LILO if at all possible |
| 15:41.20 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, try looking for grub config... I've never used it so I'm not quite good at explaining it :) |
| 15:41.21 | conreyt | mwilson: I'll start with a question survey to follow.......... I installed the nvidia drviers however I believe that I'm sill using the old libs. steps to verify? |
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| 15:41.29 | DogWater | im talking about sarge |
| 15:41.39 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, did you edit lilo.conf and run lilo? |
| 15:41.43 | bimmerd00d | gotcha, I didn't install grub (afaik) |
| 15:41.47 | bimmerd00d | yes i did that |
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| 15:42.00 | bimmerd00d | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php that's the guide i used to update the kernel |
| 15:42.10 | Kzimm | www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh |
| 15:42.19 | Kzimm | do i must pass to /bin/false ? |
| 15:42.25 | mwilson | conreyt: <sigh> What is your actual problem? |
| 15:42.36 | green_earz | Kzimm: it look like your mta is a open relay. is you mta postfix ? |
| 15:42.44 | Kzimm | yes |
| 15:42.49 | Kzimm | but it's not open relay :/ |
| 15:42.51 | officinax | bimmer...to resolve that error... on prompt of lilo boot write: linux root=/dev/hda2 |
| 15:43.07 | Kzimm | but it's perhaps that why i have many eror from my server |
| 15:43.23 | officinax | then when the system is up...# lilo |
| 15:43.23 | Eclipser | officinax, why hda2?-p |
| 15:43.24 | Kzimm | they try to relay but fail |
| 15:43.27 | bimmerd00d | officinax: sorry, im VERY new to linux, where do you mean prompt of lilo |
| 15:43.36 | valdyn | Kzimm: your line is the default debian line. |
| 15:43.47 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, do you get a bootmenu to select where to boot? |
| 15:43.52 | Kzimm | what i need to do ? |
| 15:43.55 | bimmerd00d | yah |
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| 15:44.01 | bimmerd00d | ohh in boot:, i got it |
| 15:44.01 | Eclipser | there's a prompt under it |
| 15:44.11 | officinax | at bootmenù of linux... use TAB |
| 15:44.19 | conreyt | mwilson: <sigh> I don't believe that I'm using the nvidia driver correctly as my glxgears return 15-20 fps and I'm pretty sure that my albiet crappy FX5500 is capable of a bit more than that </sigh> |
| 15:44.51 | officinax | hda2 for example.... use your partition disk |
| 15:44.56 | bimmerd00d | i got the same error |
| 15:45.01 | Kzimm | valdyn: i must pass to /bin/false the sheel of www-data ? |
| 15:45.01 | mwilson | conreyt: Put your XF86Config-4 and your log file where someone can see them. |
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| 15:45.04 | bimmerd00d | ahh hda2 is my swap |
| 15:45.08 | Eclipser | :) |
| 15:45.09 | green_earz | Kzimm: have a read of the howt for postfix, it should clear things up for you http://www.linux.org/lessons/interm/x1873.html |
| 15:45.10 | bimmerd00d | <--idiot |
| 15:45.10 | Eclipser | try hda1 |
| 15:45.12 | Zvpun | how can I (as a user) disable the system wide installed searchplugins in mozilla-firefox? |
| 15:45.18 | officinax | in general hda1 is swap... and hda2 is the filesystem |
| 15:45.38 | valdyn | Kzimm: no, i dont think so. I cant help you though sorry |
| 15:45.44 | Eclipser | my root is hda1 |
| 15:46.01 | bolete | scrollkeeper 0.3.14-9.1 configuration freezes system. Clues? |
| 15:46.09 | bimmerd00d | yah i configured mine per a guide, and i guess it wasn't very good |
| 15:46.12 | Eclipser | hda2 is swap and hda3 is /home :) |
| 15:46.18 | Eclipser | for me |
| 15:46.31 | officinax | try hda3 |
| 15:46.31 | bimmerd00d | yah that's what mine is |
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| 15:47.02 | [sr] | hi |
| 15:47.02 | conreyt | mwilson: <stupid question> what part do you want me to paste? </stupid question> |
| 15:47.02 | Kzimm | green_earz: i need fix that very quicly :/ what i must read specifyctly |
| 15:47.02 | bimmerd00d | HDA1,2, or 3 dont work |
| 15:47.10 | [sr] | guys |
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| 15:47.15 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, lowercase?-p |
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| 15:47.16 | FieldySnuts | geez. my boss kept telling me he could put this rack mounted UPS transformer in by himself (220+ pounds), he's out today for back problems. i go in the server room and it sure looks like he tried. damn, all the fool had to do was have me in a few extra hours |
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| 15:47.28 | officinax | perhaps you have bad partition |
| 15:47.29 | [sr] | isn't suposed to have a libapache2-mod-ssl package ? |
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| 15:47.30 | devilx | Hi |
| 15:47.40 | bimmerd00d | yah i did lowercase on the other box |
| 15:48.00 | mwilson | conreyt: I didn't ask you to paste anything at all, did I? |
| 15:48.00 | bebe | can i whois local dns addys? |
| 15:48.08 | ProfesZor | brb |
| 15:48.12 | devilx | I have downloaded the file jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin and executed it as root. Now I have a new directory on my desktop. How do I install the jre 1.5? |
| 15:48.19 | greycat | devilx: /msg dpkg install java |
| 15:48.20 | bimmerd00d | brb |
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| 15:48.22 | polm | I would like to switch from GNOME to KDE on my Debian system. I have been running GNOME, exclusively, for a couple years now and I have a ton of gnome apps and libs installed. What is the Debian way of removing GNOME and installing KDE without screwing anything up ? |
| 15:48.25 | green_earz | Kzimm: join the #postfix /join #postfix would be quickest and best option |
| 15:48.37 | conreyt | mwilson: no you surely didn't. |
| 15:48.44 | [sr] | hellow!!! |
| 15:48.46 | devilx | green_earz, thank you |
| 15:48.48 | [sr] | anyone? |
| 15:48.48 | devilx | err |
| 15:48.54 | devilx | greycat, , thank you |
| 15:49.21 | valdyn | polm: why remove gnome? |
| 15:49.28 | valdyn | polm: out of diskspace? |
| 15:49.36 | valdyn | !remove gnome |
| 15:49.36 | dpkg | from memory, remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 15:49.54 | morbius | so can anybody tell me how i can fix this? http://pastebin.ca/8365 |
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| 15:50.22 | polm | valdyn: I read an article on "/." today about KDE vs. GNOME, and it inspired me. |
| 15:50.34 | dondelelcaro | polm: you mean the slack thing? |
| 15:50.36 | c00l | when i try to connect i get pppd exit code 1, what's this? how to fix? |
| 15:50.48 | valdyn | polm: thats still no reaso to remove it |
| 15:50.49 | polm | dondelelcaro: yes, that one. |
| 15:51.03 | valdyn | polm: not like your old apps will work any less in kde |
| 15:51.10 | dondelelcaro | polm: anyway, easier to use aptitude and mark the gnome components that you're not sure you need as being automatically installed. When they're no longer required, they'll be removed. |
| 15:51.34 | polm | valdyn: I just wanted to avoid the clutter of 2 window/desktop managers. |
| 15:51.40 | valdyn | polm: alright |
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| 15:51.51 | abrotman | why would you rather have kde? |
| 15:51.53 | Lefungus | hello |
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| 15:51.54 | conreyt | mwilson: don't sweat in got someone to assist thx neway |
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| 15:52.06 | Lefungus | anyone knows if libmusepack is in unstable ? |
| 15:52.27 | c00l | Lefungus packages.debian.org |
| 15:52.42 | polm | abrotman: Gnome's VFS thing kinda bugs me when it comes to mounting USB stuff and Network drives. |
| 15:52.51 | greycat | !faq 1 |
| 15:52.52 | dpkg | 1: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 15:52.56 | greycat | errr.. ECHAN |
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| 15:53.04 | abrotman | polm: that's the major gripe you have? |
| 15:53.13 | abrotman | that's it? |
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| 15:53.35 | c00l | greycat please, how can i fix pppd exit code 1? |
| 15:53.38 | polm | abrotman: thats the major one, yes. Plus I've been using GNOME for along time, and I thought it might be nice to try something new. |
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| 15:53.45 | dom_ | hi.. |
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| 15:53.57 | dom_ | i have a problem with remote server with debian sarge installed |
| 15:54.15 | dom_ | i need a daemon like ssh or telnet to do remote control |
| 15:54.18 | dom_ | what can i use ? |
| 15:54.26 | dom_ | i cant use actually ssh or telnet or apache |
| 15:54.30 | stew | dom_: how about sshd? |
| 15:54.38 | dom_ | doesnt start at boot |
| 15:54.41 | dom_ | i dont know why |
| 15:54.46 | abrotman | so .. you ahve no access? |
| 15:54.48 | stew | !debug sshd |
| 15:54.48 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
| 15:54.48 | greycat | c00l: stop killing it. |
| 15:54.50 | mne | hi everyone ! Is there a debian package for ZeroC ICE middleware ? The standard debian sources only contain libice. I tried to compile it from source, unfortunately it stopps with an "invalid argument" error. |
| 15:54.53 | dom_ | if i start server with rescue system |
| 15:54.57 | dom_ | i have access |
| 15:55.04 | dom_ | but if i check logs nothing about sshd problem |
| 15:55.08 | greycat | dom_: fix it. dpkg-reconfigure ssh. |
| 15:55.11 | dom_ | done |
| 15:55.17 | dom_ | same problem greycat |
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| 15:55.25 | greycat | dom_: find out WHY it does not start. |
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| 15:55.29 | stew | dom_: what does sshd -d say? |
| 15:55.36 | greycat | dom_: read the boot script(s) until you see the reason. |
| 15:55.37 | dom_ | i try to find out from yesterday night |
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| 15:55.57 | dom_ | greycat: alternative what service can i use for remote control |
| 15:56.06 | greycat | dom_: there is no alternative. FIX SSH. |
| 15:56.15 | dom_ | greycat: i tried really |
| 15:56.22 | greycat | !try |
| 15:56.23 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 15:56.41 | dom_ | greycat: when i am on rescuer system and try to start sshd everything works |
| 15:56.52 | greycat | dom_: read. the. boot. script. |
| 15:56.57 | dom_ | greycat: on logs nothing! nothing.. |
| 15:57.08 | greycat | dom_: /etc/rc2.d/S*ssh assuming you haven't changed the default runlevel. |
| 15:57.16 | dom_ | you assume right |
| 15:57.25 | valdyn | dom_: so did you run type "sshd -d" yet? |
| 15:57.30 | dom_ | not yet |
| 15:57.44 | dom_ | i will if this damn rescue system works :\ |
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| 15:58.06 | green_earz | dom_: have you config ssh to run a deamon sshd ? |
| 15:58.24 | c00l | when i try to connect i get pppd exit code 1, what's this? how to fix? |
| 15:58.26 | dom_ | green_earz: i dont understand your question but i have a sshd_config |
| 15:58.48 | dom_ | ah now i understand green_earz and of course i set ip ut |
| 15:58.55 | dom_ | *up |
| 15:59.06 | green_earz | dom_: just asking |
| 15:59.18 | dom_ | green_earz: yes np |
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| 16:00.36 | linux|helix | hey guys i just installed Debian Sarge but i have another hdd on my computer but linux wont even eknologe its existance |
| 16:00.51 | linux|helix | anyone can gime a hand with that |
| 16:00.54 | green_earz | green_earz: what dose /etc/init.d/ssh start say ? |
| 16:01.02 | greycat | linux|helix: dmesg | grep hd |
| 16:01.11 | linux|helix | allright thanks |
| 16:01.13 | bebe | linux|helix: yeah |
| 16:01.16 | dom_ | greycat: you mean dom_: :) ? |
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| 16:01.17 | mne | c00l, a non zero exit code is an error code, it just tells you that there was an error. have a look at the syslogs (/var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog . /var/log/daemon.log etc.) There should be an error message in there. alteratvely you can start pppd in foreground and see what it prints out. |
| 16:01.25 | bebe | linux|helix: dmesg | grep hdb |
| 16:01.27 | greycat | dom_: no, I did not. |
| 16:01.31 | linux|helix | open up termel and tyoe "dmesg | grep hd"> |
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| 16:01.34 | green_earz | thanks |
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| 16:01.43 | dom_ | ehm sorry i want saying green_earz :) |
| 16:01.49 | dom_ | *say |
| 16:01.53 | dom_ | :P |
| 16:01.55 | green_earz | dom_: what dose /etc/init.d/ssh start say ? |
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| 16:02.03 | linux|helix | it gave me "hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 8192kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
| 16:02.04 | linux|helix | " |
| 16:02.17 | dom_ | i dont know yet i am waiting for rescue system startup |
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| 16:03.07 | adjacent__ | has anyone ever compiled gnuplotping under debian? im getting odd errors from gcc about structures missing members |
| 16:03.51 | greycat | linux|helix: is this mythical second hard drive IDE, SCSI, or SATA? |
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| 16:03.57 | green_earz | dom_: it should say > Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server |
| 16:04.09 | mbjones | I upgraded from FC3 to Ubuntu, and it's complaining that /home has unsupported features. It says to upgrade e2fsck and repair. I had done this once before but I forgot exactly what I did. How do I upgrade e2fsck? I added universe/multiverse to apt, but it does not find anything to upgrade |
| 16:04.26 | greycat | mbjones: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:04.26 | calin | mbjones: #ubuntu |
| 16:04.30 | mbjones | I did |
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| 16:04.32 | calin | i win! |
| 16:04.32 | mbjones | They don't know. |
| 16:04.35 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 16:04.35 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 16:04.37 | dom_ | green_earz: i am waiting that Server will reachable |
| 16:04.37 | calin | then it's impossible |
| 16:04.47 | dom_ | green_earz: and i tell you if it works or not |
| 16:04.52 | mbjones | It's not impossible |
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| 16:04.53 | linux|helix | its IDE |
| 16:04.54 | green_earz | ok |
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| 16:05.19 | greycat | linux|helix: then it's physically not showing up. check the hardware. make sure it's got power and signal cables, and that they're attached properly, etc. |
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| 16:05.32 | linux|helix | allright |
| 16:05.51 | linux|helix | i have a+ cert btw. everythings good |
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| 16:06.28 | linux|helix | dmesg | grep hdb does nothing |
| 16:06.29 | jc-denton | why can't debian just use the ubuntu gnome 2.10 package? |
| 16:06.32 | linux|helix | just gives me a new line |
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| 16:06.45 | green_earz | dom_: for remote access only use ssh i would say remove telnet when you got thinks sortted out with ssh |
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| 16:07.02 | greycat | green_earz: remove telnet*d* you mean. |
| 16:07.17 | green_earz | yes |
| 16:07.21 | linux|helix | hmm |
| 16:07.22 | c00l | greycat what modules are necessary to get ppp working? |
| 16:07.25 | linux|helix | nope not showing up |
| 16:07.27 | linux|helix | >_< |
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| 16:07.35 | mwilson | jc-denton: Why would Debian want to? |
| 16:07.38 | greycat | c00l: whatever they are, they should be auto-loaded on demand. |
| 16:07.54 | jc-denton | mwilson: they work fine |
| 16:07.59 | abrotman | on ubuntu |
| 16:08.09 | linux|helix | see the hdd im using has 2 partitions. one im on right now running linux, the other running win 2k on ntfs |
| 16:08.09 | EfaistOs | is there some plugin to have video in beep-media-player ? |
| 16:08.10 | MoneyCat | I'm trying to get libaio.so but I'm having trouble finding it in... |
| 16:08.17 | linux|helix | debian wont even open the ntfs partition |
| 16:08.19 | jc-denton | at least unstable should be up to date i think |
| 16:08.20 | abrotman | !tell MoneyCat about search |
| 16:08.24 | mwilson | jc-denton: Why? |
| 16:08.28 | linux|helix | and it wont even see that the other hdd exists |
| 16:08.29 | dom_ | green_earz: i dont want use telnet but i was just thinking on some other daemon that i can use for remote control of service like webmin for example |
| 16:08.41 | linux|helix | i think there is a problem with the WFS |
| 16:08.41 | abrotman | jc-denton: you're complaining to the wrong people |
| 16:08.50 | mwilson | No, he's just whining. |
| 16:08.55 | jc-denton | heh |
| 16:09.03 | jc-denton | lol no i'm just wondering |
| 16:09.08 | mwilson | Ubuntu doesn't have a release using Gnome 2.10 any more than Debian does. |
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| 16:09.12 | abrotman | because .. they aren't debian packages |
| 16:09.15 | mwilson | No, you're just whining. |
| 16:09.17 | abrotman | enough said |
| 16:09.42 | jc-denton | well i'm still using fluxbox here anyway |
| 16:10.26 | abrotman | then why are you complaining at all? |
| 16:10.28 | abrotman | grrrr |
| 16:10.30 | green_earz | dom_: with webmin you ok its as ssl for the login for remote work but do remote telnet to be on the safe side |
| 16:10.37 | linux|helix | WFP* |
| 16:10.51 | calin | green_earz: you mean remote ssh? |
| 16:11.00 | linux|helix | is it possible somthing could be wrong with the protocol that talks to it? |
| 16:11.09 | MoneyCat | ugh even dpkg returned no results for libaio |
| 16:11.20 | abrotman | !find libaio |
| 16:11.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libaio' returned no results. |
| 16:11.35 | dom_ | ok men i am on rescue system right now and chrooting to root partition |
| 16:11.39 | citral | typo error? |
| 16:11.39 | abrotman | MoneyCat: do oyu know where it's supposed to come from or what needs it? |
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| 16:11.48 | abrotman | citral: dunno .. his library |
| 16:12.04 | TBBle | I recognise libaio, but I can't think from where... |
| 16:12.07 | MoneyCat | abrotman: I was trying to run an MPI program |
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| 16:12.25 | abrotman | MoneyCat: hrm .. which one? |
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| 16:12.35 | MoneyCat | abrotman: lam |
| 16:12.35 | jc-denton | abrotman: well i just wanted to try it out |
| 16:12.46 | dom_ | green_earz: what i have to write ? |
| 16:12.54 | abrotman | MoneyCat: the guy i know that writes MPI stuff isn't up yet |
| 16:13.01 | abrotman | or ignoring me |
| 16:13.11 | abrotman | MoneyCat: you're sure that's the library name? |
| 16:13.23 | dom_ | greycat: if i try rc2.d/ssh boot script it works |
| 16:13.36 | AMXIII | can some one help me to instal debian + kde on a new computer without windows |
| 16:13.37 | green_earz | dom_: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 16:13.38 | AMXIII | please |
| 16:13.51 | dom_ | Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. |
| 16:13.51 | Active2 | AMXIII: download debian installer |
| 16:13.56 | MoneyCat | abrotman: yes when I try to run it I get shared library missing error libaio.so.1.0.0 |
| 16:13.56 | Active2 | AMXIII: and install ;) |
| 16:13.59 | Active2 | that's it |
| 16:14.02 | mwilson | AMXIII: After reading the installation guide, what didn't make sense to you? |
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| 16:14.19 | abrotman | MoneyCat: http://lse.sourceforge.net/io/aio.html .. same thing? |
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| 16:14.26 | AMXIII | can some one help me to instal debian + kde on a new computer without windows |
| 16:14.36 | citral | ... |
| 16:14.47 | abrotman | !d-i AMXIII |
| 16:14.48 | dpkg | AMXIII, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:14.55 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 16:14.55 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 16:14.55 | calin | AMXIII: just do a basic install and it asks if oyu wanna set up a desktop |
| 16:14.58 | abrotman | yay |
| 16:15.15 | misfitx7 | i just used apt to get hostap-src, was it compiled automaticly or do i need to compile it myself, if so where did apt put it |
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| 16:15.27 | calin | abrotman: how do you remove a package and all of the packages that don't have anything depending on them? |
| 16:15.28 | abrotman | i feel so bad for making such a nondescriptive factoid .. but it works i suppose |
| 16:15.36 | mwilson | AMXIII: Again I ask you, after reading the installation guide, what didn't make sense to you? |
| 16:15.38 | abrotman | calin: deborphan |
| 16:15.43 | calin | thanks |
| 16:15.51 | abrotman | calin: if i'm understanding you correctly |
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| 16:16.07 | green_earz | AMXIII: have you got the base installed ok ? |
| 16:16.34 | calin | abrotman: I apt-get install'd kde and all those shitloads of packages, i use gnome now, and i wanna get rid of it |
| 16:16.39 | citral | misfitx7: go looking in /usr/src/ apt-get doesn't compile automatically, you have still some work. |
| 16:16.40 | Active2 | is someone here familiar with cyrus ? (if i remove the acl's on a mailbox, the pop server is still able to look into that box and i don't like that) |
| 16:16.52 | Active2 | is there an option or something or is that a limitation / bug / feature in cyrus |
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| 16:17.13 | misfitx7 | citral, thank you |
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| 16:18.01 | valdyn | calin: for the future you may want debfoster, for now /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 16:18.15 | dom_ | green_earz: have you any other ideas about ? |
| 16:18.22 | calin | thank you |
| 16:18.44 | citral | debphoster is a nice tool, but takes time. |
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| 16:18.57 | MoneyCat | hmm |
| 16:18.59 | Phated | debphoster? Heheh. |
| 16:19.05 | citral | :P |
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| 16:19.47 | dom_ | my ssh daemon doesnt start at boot anyone has any ideas about ? |
| 16:19.54 | dom_ | on logs i didnt find anything about |
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| 16:20.09 | dom_ | if i try to start manually in chroot it play |
| 16:20.22 | Gathond | dom_: you probably asked it not to during installation, dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 16:20.22 | dom_ | but if i reboot remote server ssh doesnt start at boot |
| 16:20.30 | dom_ | Gathond: done |
| 16:20.39 | greycat | dom_: type "/sbin/runlevel" first. |
| 16:20.50 | dom_ | unknown |
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| 16:21.08 | dom_ | why unknown ? |
| 16:21.14 | greycat | dom_: so you can't actually GET IN to the server at all when it boots "normally"? How do you know it's even *booting*? |
| 16:21.16 | dom_ | must be 2 by default right |
| 16:21.41 | dom_ | cause other services like qmail imapd start |
| 16:21.54 | dom_ | but their boot script are on rcS |
| 16:21.54 | greycat | dom_: grep default /etc/inittab |
| 16:21.57 | dom_ | i put them there |
| 16:22.00 | greycat | they WHAT??!? |
| 16:22.08 | greycat | what IDIOT made an MTA and an IMAP daemon start in single user mode? |
| 16:22.24 | dom_ | why it would be a problem ? |
| 16:22.37 | dom_ | id:2:initdefault: |
| 16:22.42 | dom_ | so .. |
| 16:22.44 | greycat | ls /etc/rc2.d/S*ssh* |
| 16:22.52 | mwilson | And people wonder why the 'net is in the shape it's in... |
| 16:22.52 | abrotman | MoneyCat: he woke up |
| 16:22.54 | dom_ | there is .. |
| 16:23.01 | greycat | dom_: SHOW US. |
| 16:23.07 | dom_ | /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh |
| 16:23.24 | greycat | dom_: ls -ld /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh |
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| 16:23.42 | dom_ | is right link lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Feb 11 22:20 /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh -> ../init.d/ssh |
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| 16:23.58 | MoneyCat | abrotman: it seems to be for async io |
| 16:24.01 | greycat | dom_: ok, now READ that script and see why it's not running. |
| 16:24.16 | dom_ | greycat: if i launch that script sshd start .. |
| 16:24.17 | greycat | dom_: pay PARTICULARLY close attention to anything that looks like an "if" statement. |
| 16:24.24 | abrotman | MoneyCat: i'm asking him .. he might tell me i'm stupid .. he does that sometimes .. he's like greycat of coding |
| 16:24.26 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:24.38 | MoneyCat | [: |
| 16:24.45 | greycat | dom_: if you can't find any problems in the init.d script itself, then perhaps someone broke your /etc/inittab. I can't rule that out right now. |
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| 16:25.17 | abrotman | MoneyCat: there's no mpi channel? |
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| 16:25.36 | MoneyCat | abrotman: not that I know of :| |
| 16:25.42 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:26.01 | MoneyCat | abrotman: i was able to get libaio for fedora using yum |
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| 16:26.33 | dom_ | greycat: may i found something on inittab |
| 16:26.35 | dom_ | # What to do in single-user mode. |
| 16:26.38 | dom_ | ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin |
| 16:26.48 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 16:26.52 | paulswm | Heh |
| 16:27.01 | paulswm | !beer greycat |
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| 16:27.43 | jharrison | as interesting as all this is im wondering if I should keep watching |
| 16:27.47 | calin | !wine calin |
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| 16:27.52 | calin | woo |
| 16:28.02 | kakashi | anyone advanced in using ssh??? |
| 16:28.16 | jepel_tailweaver | just ask your question |
| 16:28.18 | jharrison | kakashi: I have advanced some |
| 16:28.21 | jharrison | kakashi: but not much |
| 16:28.27 | jharrison | hehe |
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| 16:28.32 | conreyt_ | kakashi: advanced in the ways of ssh we are |
| 16:28.40 | jharrison | greycat: there is now :) |
| 16:28.46 | abrotman | jharrison: ping! |
| 16:28.56 | calin | !speak |
| 16:28.56 | dpkg | ARFFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 16:29.00 | calin | YES!!! |
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| 16:29.05 | jharrison | abrotman: pong |
| 16:29.17 | abrotman | jharrison: you pinged me on saturday |
| 16:29.22 | jharrison | abrotman: yes |
| 16:29.30 | jharrison | abrotman: it seems you have very much latency |
| 16:29.36 | citral | heh |
| 16:30.08 | Gathond | greycat: well there is an #openssh (with 2 people in it :)) |
| 16:30.08 | kakashi | ok i wanna use ssh, but i have an internal Ip adress from my provider but there are at least 2 NATs so i cant reach my machine from the internet |
| 16:30.10 | MoneyCat | abrotman: you suppose I can just grab the source of libaio labeled under fedora |
| 16:30.11 | jharrison | this #ssh channel is filling up fast |
| 16:30.14 | abrotman | MoneyCat: he's being a butthead .. his company sells MPI/Pro and ChaMPIon/Pro or whatever they are called |
| 16:30.22 | abrotman | MoneyCat: so he's being a dork |
| 16:30.27 | abrotman | jharrison: i was mall'ing |
| 16:30.33 | jepel_tailweaver | kakashi, make your second computer listen on a different port |
| 16:30.37 | jharrison | abrotman: didyou have fun? |
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| 16:30.48 | abrotman | jharrison: actually .. no |
| 16:30.49 | MrBucket42 | Hello! |
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| 16:30.55 | jharrison | abrotman: well that sucks |
| 16:30.56 | jorge_ | hi |
| 16:31.00 | MrBucket42 | Where do I find keyboard commands for screen? |
| 16:31.10 | jorge_ | i have a problem |
| 16:31.12 | jharrison | MrBucket42: on the screen webpage? |
| 16:31.14 | jorge_ | nmap shows that i have tho ports opened, ssh and auth, but i have made the rc.sshd chmoded -x , that couldnt be executable, also in netstat -lp and in ps aux , there is not shown, |
| 16:31.17 | greycat | MrBucket42: ctrl-A ? |
| 16:31.19 | jharrison | MrBucket42: or on the screen manpages? |
| 16:31.20 | abrotman | MoneyCat: from what he's saying .. it's a kernel option |
| 16:31.21 | jorge_ | so maybe somebody hacked my box? |
| 16:31.23 | abrotman | or not |
| 16:31.23 | kakashi | jepel_tailweaver: ??? does this help ??? |
| 16:31.24 | abrotman | fucking christ |
| 16:31.27 | jharrison | MrBucket42: maybe there is a screen info doc? |
| 16:31.30 | dom_ | greycat: how can i fix runlevel or inittab ? |
| 16:31.34 | MrBucket42 | kay |
| 16:31.34 | MoneyCat | abrotman: http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libaio |
| 16:31.40 | greycat | dom_: what makes you think it's broken? |
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| 16:31.56 | jepel_tailweaver | kakashi, on the second computer, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and make it listen on another port. The option is in there |
| 16:32.05 | dom_ | greycat: /sbin/runlevel says unknown |
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| 16:32.32 | dom_ | when on another server give me right runlevel version |
| 16:32.33 | srid | If I press shift+numlock, '-' and then '5' in numeric pad, it generates the mouse right-click event. Then after if I just press '5' in numeric pad, it will generate the mouse right-click event. But this effect disappears after sometime. How to toggle shift+numlock, - permanently? |
| 16:32.39 | abrotman | MoneyCat: yeah .. he's being difficult |
| 16:32.41 | jorge_ | nmap shows that i have tho ports opened, ssh and auth, but i have made the rc.sshd chmoded -x , that couldnt be executable, also in netstat -lp and in ps aux , there is not shown, anybody has any idea? |
| 16:32.42 | greycat | dom_: because you ARE NOT BOOTED, sheesh. |
| 16:32.43 | jharrison | jepel_tailweaver: and what port do you suppose will be allowed through the NATs? |
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| 16:33.03 | mwilson | wtf is "rc.sshd"? |
| 16:33.04 | jepel_tailweaver | jharrison, I was under the impression that it was his own NAT router and he could open any port he wanted |
| 16:33.07 | dom_ | ah .. right :P |
| 16:33.17 | dom_ | so greycat where can i check about ? |
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| 16:33.35 | greycat | dom_: read the /etc/init.d/ssh script (or the symlink, same thing) and find out why it doesn't run. |
| 16:33.40 | abrotman | MoneyCat: seems like a heck fo a lot of work for LAM .. what about MPICH ? |
| 16:33.41 | jepel_tailweaver | rc.sshd would be the slackware initscript for sshd |
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| 16:33.49 | greycat | dom_: read EVERY IF STATEMENT, and don't neglect to read the defaults file that's sourced in. |
| 16:33.55 | greycat | (dotted in) |
| 16:34.07 | jharrison | jepel_tailweaver: could be but he seems to be indicating that his ISP has him NATed |
| 16:34.08 | MoneyCat | abrotman: havnt tried it but I got lam up & running on fedora box |
| 16:34.09 | mwilson | Well, why is a Slacky asking questions in #debian? |
| 16:34.13 | kakashi | jepel_tailweaver: my second computer does not have linux |
| 16:34.13 | Henning | Thorrn4: You should irc as a unpriviliged user. |
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| 16:34.18 | Gron | Im trying to search for where horde2 was installed, and I need to move the files in the horde folder to another, is there a easy way to do this |
| 16:34.21 | srid | If I press shift+numlock, '-' and then '5' in numeric pad, it generates the mouse right-click event. Then after if I just press '5' in numeric pad, it will generate the mouse right-click event. But this effect disappears after sometime. How to toggle shift+numlock, - permanently? |
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| 16:34.35 | conreyt | mwilson: there's got to be a host of good jokes there |
| 16:34.51 | abrotman | MoneyCat: ok .. i kind of got it finally |
| 16:34.59 | calin | srid: mine is permanent |
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| 16:35.16 | srid | calin, actually it changes back after some 10 minutes or so |
| 16:35.41 | abrotman | MoneyCat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=224618 |
| 16:35.45 | MrBucket42 | jharrison: Where is the screen webpage? |
| 16:35.59 | abrotman | MoneyCat: you could contact that guy and ask if he's done any work |
| 16:36.11 | citral | isn't sunday supposed to be over? |
| 16:36.12 | calin | srid: then why bother? |
| 16:36.19 | calin | srid: what's wrong with a mouse? |
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| 16:36.31 | abrotman | damn that adrian bunk guy |
| 16:36.41 | srid | calin, my left mouse button is not working, so I swapped the buttons (X) and using it |
| 16:36.50 | srid | by swap, i mean 'xmodmap' |
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| 16:37.06 | calin | hahaha |
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| 16:37.16 | mwilson | Considering you can buy a mouse for < $10, skip a pizza and buy a new one already. |
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| 16:37.54 | abrotman | or dig through trash for a serial one :) |
| 16:37.54 | Gron | Im trying to search for where horde2 was installed, and I need to move the files in the horde folder to another, is there a easy way to do this |
| 16:38.31 | MoneyCat | abrotman: is that what he was suggesting, MPICH? |
| 16:38.51 | abrotman | MoneyCat: no .. he's suggesting you buy his company's product :) |
| 16:38.55 | MoneyCat | lol |
| 16:38.57 | abrotman | MoneyCat: then he will realy help you :) |
| 16:39.18 | abrotman | MoneyCat: they send him places to setup clusters sometimes .. but usually fairly large ones |
| 16:39.43 | MoneyCat | abrotman: Im just doing a 2 node in my room :p |
| 16:39.58 | abrotman | MoneyCat: well .. aren't mpich or lampich packaged? |
| 16:40.23 | MoneyCat | I'll see |
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| 16:41.49 | abrotman | MoneyCat: apt-cache search lam4 or lam-runtime |
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| 16:42.51 | abrotman | MoneyCat: apt-cache search lam .. you get all the stuff you need |
| 16:43.10 | skrald | The locale shortcut for english is "en_US", for danish it is "da_DK". What is the shortcut for norwegian? |
| 16:43.15 | greycat | no_NO |
| 16:43.24 | AMXIII | ive got to the point were the install askes me if i what to install from cdrom or http or ftp what should i take |
| 16:43.27 | MoneyCat | abrotman: alright. ty |
| 16:43.32 | wushc | w |
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| 16:43.37 | AMXIII | kan noen svare meg på det |
| 16:43.53 | green_earz | AMXIII: http |
| 16:43.53 | AMXIII | eller starte en Privat samtale hvis de er norske |
| 16:44.09 | AMXIII | er det noen norkse her som kan dette |
| 16:44.16 | Gathond | AMXIII: you should take the one that applies :) |
| 16:44.23 | skrald | greycat: Thanks. Where can I see a list of available shorcuts? |
| 16:44.33 | skrald | There must be an overview somewhere? |
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| 16:44.41 | greycat | skrald: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:44.45 | AMXIII | er det noen norske her |
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| 16:44.51 | greycat | AMXIII: STOP it. |
| 16:44.56 | greycat | AMXIII: this is an english channel. |
| 16:45.06 | genix | what is the differens between: "i386-SRPMS-disc1.iso" and "i386-disc1.iso" ? |
| 16:45.20 | srid | genix, first one has Source RPMs |
| 16:45.23 | genix | What is SRPMS? |
| 16:45.23 | srid | second is 'binary' |
| 16:45.30 | abrotman | uhm .. wrong channel ? |
| 16:45.32 | srid | SRPM = Source RPM |
| 16:45.35 | AMXIII | ok sorry i didn't know that this was a english chanal |
| 16:45.41 | greycat | genix: non-debian crap |
| 16:45.42 | abrotman | genix: you're in the wrong channel |
| 16:45.50 | mwilson | AMXIII: You still haven't read the installation guide, have you? |
| 16:45.54 | genix | ok |
| 16:45.58 | Gathond | AMXIII: but it simply asks wether you want to install over the internet (fetching packages that way) or from the CD |
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| 16:46.43 | skrald | greycat: Ok - but do you know a list which also contains the name of the country/language as a column? A kind of overview where I can search for a country/language and get the shortcut? |
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| 16:48.15 | ferris | i have tried to install debian 64 bit os, via net install on a few different pc's and it has failed each time |
| 16:48.20 | nano_ | where do I find the conf file so I can add my soundcard driver in and run "emerge alsa-driver"?? |
| 16:48.28 | greycat | !gentoosmite nano_ |
| 16:48.32 | pipeline | ferris: The AMD64 port is a bleeding-edge beta, to say the least. |
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| 16:48.43 | ferris | ok |
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| 16:48.54 | mwilson | Gods, is a stupidity test required before you can write for NewsForge or something? |
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| 16:49.01 | pipeline | ferris: Unless you have more than three gigs of RAM, there's no reason to install it :P |
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| 16:49.27 | abrotman | nano_: wrong channel ? |
| 16:49.30 | ferris | ok... nope only one gig pipeline |
| 16:49.31 | pipeline | mwilson: Yes, they test to see whether you can track a pencil with your eyes while remaining silent. Only those with the gift of incessant gab are hired. |
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| 16:50.13 | pipeline | ferris: Well, then there's no compelling reason not to use the i386 port. You may still want to -- some software (very little) really, really benefits from the extra registers. Most notably SBCL, GCC, and LAME. |
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| 16:50.33 | nano_ | ummm, ok but i am using debian tho |
| 16:50.39 | greycat | nano_: then leave. |
| 16:50.52 | paulswm | nano_: there is no emerge in debian |
| 16:50.53 | bizio | hi all |
| 16:50.54 | bizio | how to recompile kernel after added/removed modules? |
| 16:51.00 | ferris | thanks, i wasn't sure if it was going to make the system faster |
| 16:51.10 | greycat | bizio: don't. |
| 16:51.15 | nano_ | just wondering how to do it in debian because I found a guide in gentoo |
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| 16:51.23 | pipeline | ferris: Well, the few pieces of software that benefit really, really, really benefit. |
| 16:51.47 | dvs | nano_: If you are adding a custom kernel driver to the kernel, use the module-assistant package. |
| 16:51.49 | pipeline | nano_: "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils" |
| 16:51.49 | bizio | greycat: i can't do it? |
| 16:51.54 | paulswm | bizio: read about compiling kernels in the Debian Reference if you really need to compile one |
| 16:51.54 | greycat | nano_: /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 16:52.29 | greycat | bizio: what problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 16:52.48 | bizio | paulswm: where....? |
| 16:53.14 | bizio | greycat: i did modconf and added a module and remove one |
| 16:53.25 | greycat | bizio: that just edits /etc/modules and so on. |
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| 16:53.32 | greycat | bizio: it has nothing to do with creating new kernel images |
| 16:53.49 | pipeline | bizio: You shouldn't have to fool with modconf under most circumstances |
| 16:54.11 | bizio | greycat: now i have to recompile the kernel or is not necessary? |
| 16:54.39 | cahoot | bizio: that's one of the points with modules - you can add/remove functionality without a need to recompile |
| 16:54.55 | pipeline | Man, sounds like we have an OSR refugee here |
| 16:55.02 | greycat | bizio: not needed. |
| 16:55.04 | pipeline | re-linking just to add or remove a module? Not on linux, thank god |
| 16:55.19 | paulswm | bizio: As you may need it whether you are doing a compile or not, The Debian Reference manual is available as a package ('apt-cache search debian-reference') |
| 16:55.49 | bizio | ok |
| 16:56.16 | dambodog | is there a d-i cd that has the latest kernel included? |
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| 16:56.37 | dvs | dambodog: 2.6.11.6? |
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| 16:57.15 | dambodog | dvs, sure. |
| 16:57.35 | dvs | dambodog: The latest kernel that the installer has is 2.6.8 |
| 16:57.37 | ralf | Ciao a tutti!!! |
| 16:57.42 | bizio | i have install scsi emulation support |
| 16:57.44 | bizio | but when i type mount /cdrom (device is /dev/scd) the error is mount: /dev/scd0 is not a valid block device |
| 16:58.06 | bizio | but when i type mount /cdrom (device is /dev/scd0) the error is mount: /dev/scd0 is not a valid block device |
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| 16:58.47 | bizio | what's the problem? |
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| 16:59.45 | greycat | bizio: you probably didn't enable ide-scsi emulation for that device |
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| 17:00.48 | reJigdo | am trying to resume an interrupted "jigdo-file" operation. however, is going back to the start. what should I do? |
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| 17:01.04 | ralf`away | Hi |
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| 17:01.45 | bizio | greycat: i enabled "scsi generic support" and "ide-scsi scsi emulation support"!! |
| 17:01.56 | reJigdo | anyone here ever actually used jigdo? |
| 17:01.57 | bizio | greycat: and disabled "ide-tape" support |
| 17:02.46 | idimmu | i used jigdo |
| 17:02.48 | idimmu | it was ok |
| 17:02.50 | greycat | bizio: gods damn it all... you built a custom kernel?! |
| 17:03.15 | greycat | bizio: or did you only do *half* the steps for ide-scsi to work? |
| 17:03.23 | greycat | !wikifaq bizio UseCdBurner |
| 17:03.23 | dpkg | bizio: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseCdBurner or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:04.12 | greycat | hmm... it needs grub instructions for ide-scsi |
| 17:04.41 | greycat | the one time I tried fucking around with # kopt = .... in menu.lst, it didn't work very well |
| 17:04.50 | reJigdo | idimmu: did you ever interrupt it and then resume? |
| 17:04.52 | mwilson | Easy. Use lilo. ^_^ |
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| 17:05.07 | ralf | Ciao a tutti!!! |
| 17:05.07 | d | Hi! |
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| 17:05.30 | d | Whats the best bittorrent gui for linux? |
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| 17:05.40 | mwilson | Define "best"/ |
| 17:05.40 | greycat | !best |
| 17:05.41 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 17:06.21 | d | best = most fully featured, easiest to use client. not bothered about its toolkit really |
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| 17:06.47 | mwilson | d: Gotta make sure it's as easy as possible to steal, right? |
| 17:07.03 | greycat | he sounds like an azureus user to me. |
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| 17:07.33 | d | wilson: bittorrent = theft. Just like CDRW/DVDRW drive owner = pirate |
| 17:07.43 | d | not |
| 17:07.56 | mwilson | d: Sure. Whatever you say. |
| 17:07.58 | pipeline | d: Uh, nobody needs a fully featured client like azureus to download linux ISOs once a week. |
| 17:08.04 | d | i normally use bt to download new distros |
| 17:08.10 | mwilson | Sure you do. |
| 17:08.22 | pipeline | d: It's the difference between a single CDRW and a giant farm of them. Nobody needs a hundred CDRWs hooked up to one machine for legitimate purpose.s |
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| 17:08.53 | pipeline | d: More importantly, BT is rarely theft, but rather infringement. Which is quite serious in itself, but totally fucking different. |
| 17:08.59 | drac | Sounds like home record company. |
| 17:09.01 | d | pipe: I want a client because I don't think I'm geting the best speed I could be getting. just can't be bothered reading docs I suppose :) |
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| 17:09.27 | greycat | d: huh? a GUI will make it *faster*?? How's that one work? |
| 17:09.42 | Darien | is there a way I can downgrade a system to packages as of Thursday? |
| 17:09.42 | d | changing settings should be easier |
| 17:09.44 | Phated | It'll -look- faster, of course.\ |
| 17:09.47 | mwilson | greycat: Didn't you know? A GUI makes thing magically better. |
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| 17:09.54 | greycat | Darien: lots of manual dpkg -i commands. |
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| 17:10.11 | Darien | greycat: and manual downloads? |
| 17:10.16 | greycat | 12:10 #bittorrent 71 This is not a file distribution channel. Do not ask where |
| 17:10.23 | greycat | 12:10 #azureus 42 Java BitTorrent Client: http://azureus.sf.net | FAQ: |
| 17:10.25 | pipeline | d: Uh, the bog-standard BT client has a perfectly nice GUI. There's also gnome-bittorrent. Neither of which supports all the lovely features like throttling the connection in an unusual to leech optimally or dozens o torretns at once. |
| 17:10.31 | Gathond | greycat: the same reason windows XP runs faster than dos on a old 8088, all the GUI things man :) |
| 17:10.31 | greycat | EITHER of those is more suited to your question than #debian. |
| 17:10.49 | pipeline | Darien: snapshot.debian.net -- be careful! |
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| 17:11.02 | pipeline | Darien: It's easy to fuck things up badly. And debian.net is NOT official. |
| 17:11.06 | Darien | yeah |
| 17:11.08 | drac | Gathond: That's a lie. DOS runs faster on 8088 than XP on new machine. :P |
| 17:11.30 | pipeline | drac, Gathond: DOS was for lusers. Real men ran XENIX. |
| 17:11.38 | Darien | pipeline: is there any way to tell apt to downgrade from a current package to the newest package in the repository? |
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| 17:12.13 | pipeline | Darien: Yes, but I cannot recall what it is. |
| 17:12.20 | pipeline | Darien: I use synaptic for such tasks |
| 17:12.35 | mwilson | d: If all you're really doing is downloading ISO's, why do you care how fast the connection is? |
| 17:13.01 | Darien | pipeline: this sounds like more and more dangerous work than it's worth |
| 17:13.25 | greycat | mwilson: maybe he wants to share them once they're downloaded. |
| 17:13.29 | mwilson | No answer. Figured as much. |
| 17:13.57 | pipeline | Darien: If you already have two valid entries for a repository, without messing with snapshot.debian.net, and it's just one package, it should be both safe and easy via synaptic. |
| 17:14.10 | mwilson | greycat: I have no patience for cluebies who play distro-of-the-moment on their box rather than actually get useful work done. |
| 17:14.11 | Darien | pipeline: it's not just one package, and it's a colo'ed server without X |
| 17:14.18 | Darien | and it's a live production server |
| 17:14.22 | pipeline | Darien: Downgrading the entire system is never safe. Never. |
| 17:14.26 | Darien | yeah, I know |
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| 17:14.35 | Darien | there are only about four packages that need downgrading |
| 17:14.38 | Darien | I *think* |
| 17:14.39 | pipeline | greycat: The idea is that you don't do dozens of torrents at once. :P |
| 17:14.55 | Darien | but if I mess it up, the live server goes down for good |
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| 17:15.17 | greycat | pipeline: but I *should* be able to share 4-5 torrents at once, if they're not highly popular, and have it keep a total cap, without having to do it in the firewall(s) |
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| 17:15.18 | TBBle | Isn't there another console-based BT client in Debian/unstable (or at least ITP'd) that does those things? Based on libbt++ or something. |
| 17:15.26 | Darien | I had some packages in my cache a few days ago that aren't there now, can anyone think of why that might be? |
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| 17:15.35 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | Hi all |
| 17:15.41 | EfaistOs | does someone know how to play nsv video stream with mplayer ? |
| 17:15.41 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | i have ab problem! |
| 17:15.44 | valdyn | Darien: just removing the packages, and then installing the old versions is not an option? That is relatively safe ( at least for alot of stuff ) |
| 17:15.44 | mwilson | Darien: You cleaned it? |
| 17:15.48 | Darien | mwilson: nope |
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| 17:16.00 | pipeline | greycat: And at that point, you need a much fancier client, e.g. azureus, the Pirate's Choice! |
| 17:16.01 | mwilson | Then they're still there. |
| 17:16.01 | Darien | valdyn: no, it's a live server |
| 17:16.11 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | i want 2 make a update " how i have 2 do?" |
| 17:16.16 | greycat | pipeline: I refuse to use a GUI bt client. |
| 17:16.20 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | sorry my english im a german |
| 17:16.23 | Darien | mwilson: ok, then I must be thinking of different packages (or a different server) |
| 17:16.25 | pipeline | greycat: torrentflux? |
| 17:16.36 | greycat | pipeline: I run btlaunchmanycurses in screen, and ssh to my home box to monitor it, etc. |
| 17:16.37 | valdyn | rtorrent looks nice |
| 17:16.41 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | over putty update? |
| 17:16.45 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | howto? |
| 17:16.50 | greycat | pipeline: besides, what if I had to kill X for some reason? I surely would not want my bt client to stop! |
| 17:17.14 | drac | DvN|DjOfHack|13: Two updates, Two do, Putty update? What? :P |
| 17:17.33 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | 2 update linux dabian gnu |
| 17:17.44 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | my frind have host a server |
| 17:17.47 | greycat | you can't be serious. |
| 17:17.51 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | but ist not upto date |
| 17:18.00 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | and i use putty |
| 17:18.05 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | 2 connect me |
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| 17:18.08 | circle- | Is there an easy way to upgrade from debian woody 2 to 3 without having to loose my users, conf files, and scripts? or do I have to back everything up and start new? |
| 17:18.13 | greycat | DvN|DjOfHack|13: tell your friend to update it. |
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| 17:18.20 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | i cant |
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| 17:18.23 | greycat | DvN|DjOfHack|13: you are clearly NOT qualified to be administering a unix system. |
| 17:18.29 | valdyn | circle-: what is woody 2? |
| 17:18.38 | valdyn | circle-: do you mean 3.0r2 ? |
| 17:18.42 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | i have his root date |
| 17:18.44 | greycat | circle-: man apt-get |
| 17:18.45 | circle- | sorry yes |
| 17:18.46 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | an have an own root |
| 17:18.53 | greycat | DvN|DjOfHack|13: then your friend's a moron. |
| 17:18.58 | DvN|DjOfHack|13 | but my root is update automatic |
| 17:19.16 | valdyn | circle-: the only difference between different stable releases are security updates |
| 17:19.24 | pipeline | greycat: torrentflux uses PHP to control a bunch of python processes, web interface etc |
| 17:19.30 | circle- | how do I tell for sure what release I have? |
| 17:19.32 | Oryn | circle-: edit your apt/sources.list to point to woody 3 sources and run apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:19.37 | greycat | circle-: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:19.39 | pipeline | greycat: Start a separate apache to listen only on localhost, ssh in, use lynx 127.0.0.1 :( |
| 17:19.41 | valdyn | circle-: not like those dont ever break anything but its as safe as it would get ( and you probably want security updates .. ) |
| 17:19.43 | pipeline | greycat: err, :) |
| 17:19.52 | greycat | pipeline: sounds... overengineered. |
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| 17:20.32 | Darien | overengineering is the American way! |
| 17:20.38 | pipeline | greycat: There are only two decent open source implementations of the torrent protocol: one java, one python. Would you rather they had used tomcat? |
| 17:20.49 | pipeline | greycat: I suppose you could use the web interface on the open internet, but.... ewww. |
| 17:20.52 | quiet | I wanted to make some debian art.. is there a place to get the vector for the swirl? |
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| 17:20.58 | greycat | pipeline: I'll stick with btlaunchmanycurses for now |
| 17:21.18 | circle- | thanks guys :) |
| 17:21.25 | valdyn | pipeline: have you tried rtorrent? |
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| 17:21.54 | quiet | nevermind.. I'm a loser.. thanks |
| 17:22.03 | Darien | is there any way to check and see if an apt-get update was run on a certain date? |
| 17:22.04 | quiet | debian.org/logos/ lol |
| 17:22.10 | pipeline | valdyn: talk to greycat |
| 17:22.14 | greycat | Darien: ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 17:23.01 | Darien | according to this, I didn't do any updates on the 25th |
| 17:23.20 | Darien | that doesn't make any sense, then why did the server break? |
| 17:23.24 | Darien | ugh, this is just getting more complex |
| 17:23.33 | greycat | Darien: it only holds the *most recent* lists. |
| 17:23.46 | Darien | greycat: yeah, but the most recent is from the 24th, and our server broke on the 25th |
| 17:23.52 | greycat | There Is No Dpkg Or Apt Log File. |
| 17:23.59 | dom_ | greycat: problem is runlevel |
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| 17:24.01 | Darien | is there any way to make apt log? |
| 17:24.02 | greycat | Darien: how did it break? |
| 17:24.06 | greycat | Darien: no |
| 17:24.16 | Darien | greycat: libcurl stopped working for SSL connections |
| 17:24.17 | dom_ | as i was saying before |
| 17:24.32 | Darien | or rather, PHP's libcurl functions stopped working for SSL connections |
| 17:24.33 | greycat | dom_: how are you connecting to this computer? |
| 17:24.40 | dom_ | ssh |
| 17:24.47 | greycat | dom_: I thought ssh didn't start. |
| 17:24.53 | dom_ | greycat: it starts |
| 17:25.00 | dom_ | on rescue mode |
| 17:25.04 | Darien | but according to this, the last apt-get update I ran was on Thursday, and no packages were downloaded on Thursday |
| 17:25.05 | greycat | dom_: WHAT is "rescue mode"? |
| 17:25.17 | dom_ | and after i set ip up to run on single user |
| 17:25.22 | dom_ | rescue system do you know ? |
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| 17:25.29 | Darien | so I didn't do any updates |
| 17:25.36 | greycat | dom_: no. I don't know. that is why I *asked*. |
| 17:25.53 | valdyn | dom_: debian has no such thing ( literally ) |
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| 17:26.05 | greycat | dom_: at this point I suspect one of your other boot scripts is failing to terminate |
| 17:26.11 | greycat | dom_: but you aren't being very clear |
| 17:26.30 | dom_ | greycat: my english is worst that's why i am not very clear |
| 17:26.43 | Darien | would it be possible to write software that would make apt log? I mean, if it can fetch changelogs, surely it can log |
| 17:26.46 | dom_ | rescue system = emergency console |
| 17:26.55 | greycat | Darien: it's written in C++. have fun. |
| 17:27.00 | greycat | dom_: serial console? |
| 17:27.19 | Darien | :( |
| 17:27.29 | valdyn | dom_: this is a colocated box and your "rescue" mode is something specific to your isp hosting this? |
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| 17:27.32 | Darien | single user mode? |
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| 17:28.21 | Eclipser | nngh |
| 17:28.24 | Kerr | is ther a way to play an avi file with a damaged header? |
| 17:28.34 | Eclipser | I've been trying to get my tv card sounds working for like 3 weeks now |
| 17:28.39 | Darien | hmm, I can use aptitude |
| 17:28.51 | Eclipser | and now I found out that it has been working all the time |
| 17:28.52 | valdyn | Kerr: try xine if you tried only mplayer |
| 17:28.56 | dom_ | valdyn: yes it is |
| 17:28.58 | greycat | !pal Eclipser |
| 17:28.59 | Eclipser | sound card line in just doesn't... |
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| 17:29.14 | dom_ | anyway if i switch from runlevel like rc 2 for example it play |
| 17:29.26 | dom_ | but runlevel still answer unknown |
| 17:29.29 | dom_ | so problem is there |
| 17:29.30 | valdyn | dom_: so its like a secondary OS that you boot to restore or modifiy your "real" debian installation |
| 17:29.32 | greycat | dom_: read all the other boot scripts in /etc/rc2.d up to S20 and see which one's hanging. |
| 17:29.34 | dom_ | how can reconfigure runlevel ? |
| 17:29.45 | greycat | dom_: wrong question. |
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| 17:30.15 | greycat | dom_: did you enable bootlogd yet? |
| 17:30.19 | misfitx7 | why isnt there a hostap driver for ppc? |
| 17:30.27 | dom_ | but greycat if was a S20 problem in rc2 when i switch to rc 2 or rc3 i must see errors |
| 17:30.35 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 17:31.16 | greycat | !bootlogd |
| 17:31.17 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028 |
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| 17:32.47 | Kerr | valdyn: I don't have, or use mplayer.. I tried xine and totem |
| 17:32.48 | hdo781 | Does anyone know what this means? Either install kernel-source-n.n.n package and compile kernel, or install a kernel-image and matching kernel-headers package (check installed kernel using uname -a). |
| 17:33.10 | greycat | hdo781: yes. |
| 17:33.30 | valdyn | Kerr: mplayer is particularily sensitive for broken files, since you already used the less sensitive tools, i cant help sorry |
| 17:33.59 | ari_ | Who would I contact if I wanted a new package added to the debian distro for an application that I currently have to build manually? |
| 17:34.01 | pipeline | Kerr: You could try futzing with avi tools to demux and remux it. |
| 17:34.02 | hdo781 | greycat: When I type uname -a, I get: Linux debhkd 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linu |
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| 17:34.23 | jc__ | good afternoon |
| 17:34.41 | jc__ | Exist a channel about bind9 ? |
| 17:34.45 | greycat | #dns |
| 17:34.53 | hdo781 | #dns |
| 17:34.53 | Kerr | pipeline: It's only 12% d/l .. guess i'll just go find another. |
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| 17:36.22 | hdo781 | What is the kernel-source-n.n.n package? |
| 17:36.54 | SuperSox | hdo781: the kernel source |
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| 17:37.36 | hdo781 | Do I have do download the kernel source? Doesn't apt-get allow me to install the kernel-image? |
| 17:37.36 | greycat | hdo781: you don't want it. |
| 17:37.49 | greycat | hdo781: you HAVE a kernel-image already. as evidenced by the fact that your computer boots. |
| 17:37.56 | hdo781 | Nice |
| 17:38.19 | hdo781 | Do I have the matching kernel-headers? |
| 17:38.31 | dvs | hdo781: If it's a debian kernel, yes |
| 17:38.45 | hdo781 | Nice. |
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| 17:39.05 | meursault | i have a PS/2 mouse. i plugged it into another computer while the one the mouse belong was up and running. Now i plugged it back and i cant use the mouse. its weird beause i can use the keyboard (i swapped that too). how can i again detect my mouse? |
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| 17:40.02 | greycat | hdo781: did you install the headers? if so, you have them. if not, you don't. |
| 17:40.09 | mwilson | meursault: Hopefully you didn't mess up the mouse port. There's a reason why they tell you not to install or remove PS/2 peripherals with power applied. |
| 17:40.19 | Blissex | meursault: you need to reset your PC. PS/2 ports dont support hotplugging/hotunplugging. |
| 17:40.29 | hdo781 | What are kernel headers? Can I get them through apt-get? |
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| 17:40.54 | dvs | hdo781: yes |
| 17:41.05 | drac | hdo781: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:41.12 | jco | hi, anyone succesfully using ssh-krb in unstable? |
| 17:41.15 | meursault | mwilson, Blissex: ok, but do you know why keyboards dont react the same waY? |
| 17:41.22 | Darien | hmm |
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| 17:41.53 | dvs | meursault: Because you've been lucky |
| 17:42.07 | Darien | maybe something to do with event driven vs. streaming data? nfi |
| 17:42.23 | meursault | dvs, :-) |
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| 17:42.58 | jc__ | ok thanks greycat, hdo781 |
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| 17:44.47 | pem3v78 | hi |
| 17:44.52 | opcodevoid | Ladies and gentlemen, against my better judgement, I allowed my teenage son to install line-ucks on our compaq presario. Now I can't make heads or tales of what's happening on my computer machine, and he is continously making disrespectful remarks about Bill Gates and 'Micro$uck". I guess my only real question is: How long should I ground him, removing all access to his friends and activities in order to correct this anti-social behavio |
| 17:45.19 | pem3v78 | how do I use files in /usr/doc/bind9-doc ? |
| 17:45.28 | greycat | pem3v78: you read them. |
| 17:45.29 | pem3v78 | I don't know to compile it |
| 17:45.37 | greycat | what the fuck... |
| 17:45.39 | pem3v78 | how to compile it ? |
| 17:45.46 | greycat | pem3v78: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:46.01 | drac | opcodevoid: lol |
| 17:46.10 | pem3v78 | ? |
| 17:46.11 | AMXIII | if i choose desktop in the debian instal can i still get KDE |
| 17:46.20 | greycat | AMXIII: yes |
| 17:46.21 | dvs | pem3v78: Just execute that command |
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| 17:46.30 | AMXIII | apt-get install kde |
| 17:46.36 | AMXIII | is that correct? |
| 17:46.38 | pem3v78 | 3.0 |
| 17:46.47 | AMXIII | is that the newest |
| 17:46.53 | valdyn | AMXIII: chosing desktop on install will do that ( and more ) already |
| 17:47.01 | AMXIII | ok |
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| 17:47.04 | hdo781 | What does it mean to link to a kernel header? |
| 17:47.12 | AMXIII | so i chooses the newest KDE for me |
| 17:47.19 | AMXIII | but what about Gnome |
| 17:47.22 | candyban | Does anyone know if it's possible to have framebuffer work on different graphical heads like you can have an X server per head? |
| 17:47.26 | greycat | hdo781: WHAT IN THE NAME OF ALL THE GODS ARE YOU DOING? |
| 17:47.30 | valdyn | AMXIII: same for gnome, it will be installed too |
| 17:47.35 | AMXIII | ok |
| 17:47.44 | AMXIII | so how do i choose whitch one |
| 17:47.44 | greycat | hdo781: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) module-assistant build-essential |
| 17:47.47 | hdo781 | I'm trying to follow the instructions at the ndiswrapper website on how to get wireless working. |
| 17:47.48 | greycat | hdo781: man m-a |
| 17:48.12 | gurrag | i get kernel panic when booting after doing apt-get upgrade. looking at my /initrd.img it points to /boot/initrd.img-2.4.26-1-1586tsc which is 0 bytes... that can't be right. suggestions? |
| 17:48.24 | valdyn | AMXIII: to install or to run? theres no innate problem w/ installing both |
| 17:48.27 | hdo781 | I just installed the kernel header that matches the installed kernel. |
| 17:48.46 | dvs | hdo781: Use the module-assistant package |
| 17:48.47 | greycat | valdyn: he wants to know how to make KDE start up when he logs in. Remember, if he selected "desktop" in tasksel, he has gdm. |
| 17:48.55 | greycat | valdyn: I'm not sure what instructions to give |
| 17:48.56 | AMXIII | to RUN |
| 17:49.15 | valdyn | greycat: if he gets gdm then he can pick kde in gdm |
| 17:49.28 | greycat | AMXIII: you can pick kde in gdm (or so the rumors tell me) |
| 17:49.37 | valdyn | AMXIII: according to what greycat said, you will get a graphical login screen where you can just chose either |
| 17:49.48 | AMXIII | ok |
| 17:49.53 | AMXIII | so it askes me |
| 17:50.24 | valdyn | AMXIII: it doesnt ask you, it has a "button" called "Sessions", where you can click on and pick whatever |
| 17:50.34 | AMXIII | ok |
| 17:50.41 | AMXIII | what is best Gnome or Kde |
| 17:50.46 | greycat | AMXIII: you decide. |
| 17:50.49 | valdyn | AMXIII: none is best |
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| 17:51.03 | AMXIII | ok |
| 17:51.03 | greycat | if either were clearly "best", the other would not exist |
| 17:51.14 | AMXIII | what is the difference |
| 17:51.24 | valdyn | AMXIII: go see for yourself |
| 17:51.29 | greycat | well, actually that's optimistic. I mean, sendmail still exists, right? So that's not sufficient criteria... |
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| 17:51.42 | valdyn | AMXIII: you can pick either EACH time you log in |
| 17:51.47 | AMXIII | ok |
| 17:51.49 | Phated | greycat: Subjectivity, my good man. :) |
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| 17:53.34 | AMXIII | valdyn: each??? |
| 17:53.39 | citral | AMXIII: go look first on gnome.org and kde-whatever-.org and have a look. |
| 17:53.50 | Antho | hello |
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| 17:54.19 | AMXIII | ok |
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| 17:54.33 | AMXIII | so there is no BIG difference? |
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| 17:54.54 | valdyn | AMXIII: you have to "log in" to do anything. Simpley picking a session prior to logging in enables you to chose between gnome, kde and more each time |
| 17:55.29 | hdo781 | So. I installed the module-assistant ran m-a prepare, which proceeded to apt-get more software. Did it automatically download the matching kernel header and create a link to kernel header for me? |
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| 17:55.45 | valdyn | AMXIII: we cant tell you without writing a book, so better you see for yourself |
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| 17:56.06 | AMXIII | ok |
| 17:56.08 | pipeline | AMXIII: Choosing between KDE and Gnome isn't something we can tell you about, but I *can* recommend GDM over KDM. |
| 17:56.15 | pipeline | AMXIII: The KDE display manager sucks. Don't use it. |
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| 17:56.41 | valdyn | gdm should be default, so nothing that concerncs him i assume |
| 17:56.51 | lori_ | How do I get Debian to provide a standard /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build directory containing headers to build modules? |
| 17:57.06 | pipeline | lori_: That's not standard. |
| 17:57.24 | lori_ | pipeline: May not be, but most other distros have it |
| 17:57.26 | greycat | lori_: sarge's kernels should have it. |
| 17:57.27 | valdyn | lori_: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) might be what you miss |
| 17:57.29 | pipeline | lori_: Oh, uname *-r*, yeah, that is. |
| 17:57.33 | greycat | lori_: woody's kernels.... suck rotten turds. |
| 17:57.38 | gurrag | no suggestions to how i can boot my system again? my /boot/initrd.img-2.4.26-1-1586tsc is 0 bytes |
| 17:57.51 | pipeline | lori_: uname -r is actually the kernel.org-blessed place to store modules. |
| 17:58.00 | greycat | gurrag: get out the rescue disc... |
| 17:58.04 | valdyn | lori_: oh woody, ignore me, no idea about woody |
| 17:58.13 | lori_ | greycat: I'm on sarge, but it doesn't have a kernel header package for my kernel package |
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| 17:58.19 | Gron | im having trouble with the move command, i try mv /dir/ /dir/ it doesn't show any actions occuring but no errors, but I don't think it worked, anyone fill me in on whati might be missing? |
| 17:58.29 | gurrag | greycat: I tried booting in rescue mode with my cd but it doesn't work. |
| 17:58.30 | valdyn | lori_: type "uname -r" please |
| 17:58.46 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 17:58.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 17:59.07 | lori_ | valdyn: 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 17:59.09 | greycat | gurrag: not 'rescue mode'. Just fix the problems. |
| 17:59.19 | greycat | lori_: that's not even a debian kernel, is it? |
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| 17:59.28 | lori_ | greycat: tis |
| 17:59.41 | lori_ | greycat: I've never installed on not from packages |
| 18:00.00 | greycat | ppc kernels must have odd names... |
| 18:00.10 | opcodevoid | Nobody hardly answered my qurestion:-( |
| 18:00.14 | Gron | im having trouble with the move command, i try mv /dir/ /dir/ it doesn't show any actions occuring but no errors, but I don't think it worked, anyone fill me in on whati might be missing? |
| 18:00.18 | shaggy_ | Ok, what do I need to do to get the prism2_cs module for a 2.6. kernel? |
| 18:00.23 | shaggy_ | It seems that everything else is there but linux-wlan-ng is set to build for 2.4 kernel series. |
| 18:00.27 | shaggy_ | Has anybody done this? |
| 18:00.31 | greycat | opcodevoid: what question? all I see is a half-witty troll. |
| 18:00.33 | pipeline | Gron: "mv /dir/ /dir/" shouldn't do anything. |
| 18:00.33 | prahal | hi , how does one clean gconf db ? (obsolete entries , those that are not defined by the newer shema anymore) i have a hard time finding the valid configuration entries after 2 years using it ... |
| 18:00.36 | gurrag | greycat: but I don't know what the problem is. I get "VFS: cannot open root device "302" or 3:02. Please append a correct root=boot option." when booting. I suspect it has something to do with /initrd.img is 0 bytes. |
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| 18:00.44 | pipeline | Gron: Problem solved. |
| 18:00.53 | Iwrite | Good-morning (PST).:^) |
| 18:00.55 | Gron | whats the command to move files from one place to another? |
| 18:00.57 | Darien | is aptitude a drop-in replacement for apt-get on the command line? e.g. can I do 'alias apt-get="aptitude"' and have everything work as expected? |
| 18:01.05 | jethro | Gron: mv |
| 18:01.06 | opcodevoid | greycat,i can't access the web using linux? |
| 18:01.08 | greycat | gurrag: no shit. |
| 18:01.12 | greycat | gurrag: now FIX IT. |
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| 18:01.15 | shaggy_ | Gron: mv realitive/path/to/source realitive/path/to/sink |
| 18:01.26 | greycat | opcodevoid: what the hell are you trying to do? get me angry? |
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| 18:01.45 | Darien | >.< |
| 18:02.08 | prahal | Darien: i won't do it ... though i don't knwo if this can produce apt-get=aptitude then aptitude call apt-get=aptitude ad infinitem |
| 18:02.10 | opcodevoid | greycat,shouldn't be hard.I've installed debian "woody".Now i can't access the web. |
| 18:02.23 | gurrag | greycat: great, thanks. then we have the problem! any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 18:02.25 | valdyn | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc sarge |
| 18:02.30 | valdyn | !info kernel-headers-2.6.8-powerpc sarge |
| 18:02.36 | Iwrite | I tracked down and d/l'd kernel source, then burned to CD. For some reason, apt-get install "can't find package," even when pointed to /dev/cdrom and/or /cdrom/<*.deb>. How do |
| 18:02.47 | Darien | prahal: no, it's just an alias in the current shell, aptitude should be calling /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 18:02.48 | prahal | Darien: though yes aptitude support apt-get syntax afaik |
| 18:02.53 | greycat | gurrag: boot with a rescue disc, chroot into your linux installation, mount everything that needs mounting, and reinstall the kernel-image |
| 18:02.59 | Iwrite | How do I direct apt-get to cd-rom? |
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| 18:03.12 | greycat | Iwrite: apt-cdrom add |
| 18:03.18 | prahal | Darien: why ? path expansion is not for user calls only |
| 18:03.25 | pingouin_ | i want to remove exim-base , with apt-get remove --purge and it want to remove also : at , it's ok to say yes ? |
| 18:03.34 | greycat | !faq pingouin_ |
| 18:03.34 | dpkg | pingouin_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:03.36 | Darien | prahal: what do you mean? |
| 18:03.45 | prahal | Darien: aptitude should use api calls to apt/dpkg but i don't know if this api already exists |
| 18:03.52 | gurrag | greycat: like "apt-get install --reinstall <long_image_name>"? that gives me errors... |
| 18:03.54 | pingouin_ | !thx |
| 18:03.54 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 18:03.55 | travisat | opcodevoid: is you computer plugged in? |
| 18:04.01 | opcodevoid | mabe greycat you would like to know i access the web via a router using dhcp.However debian doesn't seem to like this set up. |
| 18:04.02 | Darien | prahal: well it seems like it works ok for others, I remember someone suggested it in this channel once, so I dunno |
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| 18:04.11 | opcodevoid | travisat,heh |
| 18:04.16 | greycat | Lastlog: |
| 18:04.21 | greycat | 12:44 opcodevoid> Ladies and gentlemen, against my better judgement, I allowed [....] |
| 18:04.24 | greycat | 13:00 opcodevoid> Nobody hardly answered my qurestion:-( |
| 18:04.29 | prahal | Darien: i mean that sheband should contain #!/bin/env application except for security reasons |
| 18:04.36 | Iwrite | I tried editing /etc/apt/sources, but only got "defective line" error, when I ran update. |
| 18:04.45 | travisat | opcodevoid: maybe people could help you if you told them what was wrong |
| 18:04.50 | Iwrite | greycat: Thanks. I'll try that. |
| 18:04.51 | opcodevoid | greycat,that was a joke.Now i'm being serious |
| 18:05.22 | BadMan | for some reason exim has stopped forwarding system mail to my user, root is aliased properly to my user but I notice that all the mail messages have been frozen. Any ideas of where to check first? I also cannot seem to locate a exim4.conf other thena *.template |
| 18:05.30 | Darien | prahal: what does /bin/env do? |
| 18:05.39 | prahal | Darien: then it may have been me , i have such strange idea sometimes . Though what is wrong with calling aptitude instead of apt-get ? (with the completion it is the same number of key press ...) |
| 18:05.40 | AMXIII | help i got Gnome but i whant Kde in Debian |
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| 18:05.53 | opcodevoid | I think it could be to do with /etc/network/config? |
| 18:05.57 | gurrag | greycat: i get "dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.4.26-1-1-586tsc", "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9" |
| 18:06.00 | prahal | Darien: it looks for the application in the path then call it |
| 18:06.05 | Darien | prahal: aptitude logs to /var/log/aptitude |
| 18:06.12 | prahal | AMXIII: apt-get install kde-core |
| 18:06.13 | Iwrite | greycat: Got "Unable to locate any package files, not a Debian Disc." |
| 18:06.16 | Darien | I want logging of any changes made |
| 18:06.22 | Darien | Iwrite: did you mount the CD? |
| 18:06.27 | Gron | mv dir/ dir/ seems to move the whole directory, is there a way to just move the files into another folder? |
| 18:06.33 | greycat | Darien: you don't even have to mount it first. just have it in the drive. |
| 18:06.38 | AMXIII | were shall i write |
| 18:06.39 | Darien | hmm, dunno then |
| 18:06.48 | PerfDave | Gron: Yes, tell mv to move the files into another folder. |
| 18:06.49 | Iwrite | Darien: apt-cdrom add did. |
| 18:06.50 | greycat | Darien: he probably didn't. |
| 18:06.52 | jethro | Gron: mv dir/* dir2/ maybe |
| 18:07.11 | prahal | Darien: i know that s why i use it ... but apt-get is tagged as not an user interface anyway so should not be used (that s why i just told someone to use it ... it looks somewhat like schizo ) |
| 18:07.22 | Darien | greycat: you're a busy man.. do you get paid for this? ;) |
| 18:07.47 | Gron | perfdave mv dir1/ dir2/ doesn't move the files, this is what your telling me to do |
| 18:07.53 | Darien | prahal: for users I would prefer to suggest synaptic, but for my servers, I would like to see exactly what is happening always |
| 18:07.58 | BadMan | AMXIII: in a console/terminal/tty(ctrl + alt + f#) if you are in gui you are currently on f7) |
| 18:08.06 | PerfDave | Gron: No, I'm telling you to use mv correctly. "man mv" is a good start, or a good bash / shell tutorial. |
| 18:08.08 | opcodevoid | Greycat,i have debian woody installed.Using a router with dhcp.Works under windows great.Linux doesn't work.I can't access the wan? |
| 18:08.19 | valdyn | lori_: kernel-headers-2.6.8 seems to be the only headers available for powerpc. I dont know how this is done on that arch |
| 18:08.29 | prahal | Darien: well if you use "aptitude upgrade" or replace apt-get by aptitude in apt-cron you have the logging |
| 18:08.37 | Darien | valdyn: I have newer headers than that in my PPC repository |
| 18:08.44 | greycat | opcodevoid: too vague. and your earlier troll makes me very disinclined to expend any effort trying to dig down through GOD only knows how many layers of ignorance. |
| 18:08.47 | Darien | I just got the kernel package for 2.6.11 |
| 18:08.49 | prahal | aptitude install foo and the like |
| 18:08.50 | PerfDave | opcodevoid: Is the Woody installation on the same machine as the Windows installation, as in a dual-boot? More specifically, are they using the same network card? |
| 18:08.54 | Darien | prahal: exactly, which I think I will do |
| 18:08.54 | valdyn | Darien: in sarge? |
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| 18:09.05 | Darien | valdyn: I think so... unless they only showed up when I upgraded to unstable |
| 18:09.10 | Darien | but I don't know |
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| 18:09.14 | opcodevoid | Okay greycat i understand.It's cool. |
| 18:09.24 | prahal | no gconf guru outta there ? |
| 18:09.26 | Darien | valdyn: anyway, you can grab the kernel sources and debianize them by hand |
| 18:09.48 | Iwrite | Anyone care to recommend Debian friendly video card? I've heard good and bad about ATI. Linux supposedly supports ATI 3D, but not NVidia 3D, and Woody nv doesn't include my GeForce FX5200. |
| 18:09.51 | valdyn | Darien: yea, i could do it np, but i couldnt walk lori_ through it |
| 18:10.23 | opcodevoid | btw greycat it is just a debian/linux ignorance.I'm a ccna certified person |
| 18:10.32 | greycat | *troll* |
| 18:10.35 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 18:10.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:10.42 | Darien | haha |
| 18:10.43 | jethro | haha |
| 18:10.46 | PerfDave | Iwrite: nVidia do the best Linux-compatiable 3D cards. If you've got a GeForce FX5200, either run sarge, backport X or use the "nvidia" binary driver instead of the nv ones. |
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| 18:11.07 | citral | First put a space after each dots. Looks moronic. |
| 18:11.16 | SEcki | hi, problem with 2.6.7 kernel form backports.org and framebuffer/console: it doesn't show any output, no terminal bell, yet I can log in and reboot |
| 18:11.34 | BadMan | PerfDave: btw I finally got theat nvidia geforce 4000 working witht he 2.6.8-2-k7 nvidia kernel image game all work everything... |
| 18:11.49 | BadMan | I even see the nvidia screen when x starts |
| 18:11.57 | PerfDave | SEcki: Are you running Woody? |
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| 18:12.05 | BadMan | quakeforge fps are at 70 8-) |
| 18:12.05 | SEcki | PerfDave: yes |
| 18:12.22 | PerfDave | SEcki: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 18:13.06 | BadMan | any ideas why exim has quit forwarding system mail to an aliased user since the upgrade? |
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| 18:13.24 | prahal | Iw |
| 18:13.41 | PerfDave | BadMan: "the upgrade"? Did you allow something to overwrite /etc/aliases? |
| 18:13.43 | Iwrite | PerfDave: I d/l'd NVidia driver, but it won't compile w/o kernel source code. SO, I tracked down & d/l'd source code .deb, but it won't burn as .iso, which NVidia .run file did. I put both on same CD in single burn, but apt-* won't find them to install. |
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| 18:13.57 | PerfDave | Iwrite: Uhm, you're doing something very wrong. |
| 18:14.08 | PerfDave | Iwrite: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 18:14.18 | PerfDave | Iwrite: Don't use the nVidia .run thing, it doesn't work. |
| 18:14.19 | BadMan | I checked the /etc/aliases file and all looks well... but /var/mail/mail is at about 5k and growing and not forwarding mail out... |
| 18:14.35 | prahal | lwrite: the personal cinema one ? |
| 18:14.56 | Iwrite | PerfDave: This is why I ordered Debian Bible from Wiley Publishing in Aug., 2004; to save myself and others all these newbie questions. |
| 18:15.00 | hdo781 | What are the programs that I have to apt-get install so that I may compile from source? |
| 18:15.03 | opcodevoid | Cheers greycat you really are an helpful guy. |
| 18:15.09 | opcodevoid | Cheers:-) |
| 18:15.21 | prahal | lwrite : you don't need the full source, looks for kernel-headers* |
| 18:15.40 | prahal | lwrite then m-a a-i nvidia |
| 18:15.48 | Iwrite | Can anyone direct me to equivalent of "Bible," for Woody (2.2 kernel is the only one that plays well with my current mobos). |
| 18:15.57 | abrotman | !b-e hdo781 |
| 18:15.58 | dpkg | hdo781: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 18:16.06 | pipeline | Iwrite: backports.org ? |
| 18:16.07 | PerfDave | hdo781: What are you trying to compile from source? |
| 18:16.10 | abrotman | wtf is bible? |
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| 18:16.18 | hdo781 | ndiswrapper |
| 18:16.20 | adexta | hey guys |
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| 18:16.23 | adexta | my sound doesn't work |
| 18:16.28 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 18:16.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:16.33 | dvs | adexta: Sorry, we can't hear you |
| 18:16.34 | hdo781 | ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz |
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| 18:16.43 | PerfDave | hdo781: You shouldn't need to compile that from source. |
| 18:16.48 | hdo781 | Why? |
| 18:16.50 | oenek | heya |
| 18:16.54 | adexta | i was getting to that |
| 18:17.07 | adexta | it won't detect my sound card |
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| 18:17.11 | adexta | i've tried alsaconf |
| 18:17.15 | Iwrite | prahal: The personal cinema one what? Card, driver? |
| 18:17.21 | adexta | and it doesn't find my sound card |
| 18:17.26 | PerfDave | hdo781: (a) use hardware that's actually supported by Linux, and (b) if you must use non-Linux hardware, module-assistant will sort out ndiswrapper for you. |
| 18:17.36 | adexta | even when i check for legacy cards |
| 18:17.46 | oenek | How does one remap the <Alt><Ctrl>-F1 - F12 sequences or map in new key sequences? |
| 18:17.55 | rindolf | adexta: Hi! It's me, Shlomi. |
| 18:17.56 | PerfDave | oenek: "remap" how? |
| 18:17.58 | BadMan | adexta: does lspci list it? |
| 18:17.58 | adexta | suse was able to auto-detect it |
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| 18:18.06 | mwilson | oenek: Remap for what? |
| 18:18.06 | adexta | hey rindolf |
| 18:18.07 | opcodevoid | Does this mean anything. In /etc/network/interfaces i get Auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp? |
| 18:18.10 | adexta | BadMan: no |
| 18:18.18 | BadMan | Iwrite: what cpu do you have? |
| 18:18.28 | BadMan | adexta: is the card seated properly? |
| 18:18.41 | adexta | it's integrated into my mobo |
| 18:18.45 | BadMan | ick |
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| 18:18.57 | PerfDave | opcodevoid: Yes, that does mean something. "man 5 interfaces" |
| 18:19.01 | oenek | PerfDave & mwilson: For example I want to quick switch between all my gdmflexiserver sessions with something like <Mod4>-Z & C |
| 18:19.03 | hdo781 | I have already downloaded module-assistant, which helped me to create a link to a kernel header. But I still need to install ndiswrapper, which supports Linux |
| 18:19.04 | abrotman | !tell opcodevoid about interfaces |
| 18:19.27 | adexta | my computer is a pentium II 400 MHz dell |
| 18:19.27 | Gron | perfdave: I seem to have gotten mv to move the files but i get a few errors such as mv: cannot overwrite directory `/var/www/vhcs2/engine/backup' is there a way around this? i used -f with no luck |
| 18:19.44 | BadMan | adexta do lspci and paste to #flood |
| 18:19.46 | oenek | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.47 | valdyn | hdo781: m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 18:19.58 | PerfDave | oenek: No idea, sorry. |
| 18:20.02 | Iwrite | abrotman: "Debian <Ver.> Bible w/CDs." I pre-paid for Sarge release in Aug., to avoid this sort of problem, but Sarge release held up (for whatever reason). |
| 18:20.07 | rindolf | adexta: paste to a paste-site instead |
| 18:20.14 | PerfDave | hdo781: So use module-assistant to install ndiswrapper, if you're going to use non-Linux hardware. |
| 18:20.20 | abrotman | Iwrite: so .. get the debian installer for sarge .. RC3 is out now! |
| 18:20.23 | PerfDave | hdo781: man module-assistant |
| 18:20.34 | hdo781 | Is ndiswrapper part of Debian's repository? |
| 18:20.37 | oenek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:20.41 | abrotman | hdo781: yes |
| 18:20.47 | valdyn | !tell hdo781 about search |
| 18:20.48 | abrotman | good |
| 18:20.51 | opcodevoid | os/x rules |
| 18:20.54 | adexta | okay, done |
| 18:20.56 | Iwrite | pipeline: For what do I look on backports.org? |
| 18:20.59 | PerfDave | opcodevoid: Wow, greycat was right, you *are* a troll. |
| 18:21.03 | abrotman | or an idiot |
| 18:21.07 | abrotman | or both |
| 18:21.08 | oenek | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.10 | rindolf | adexta: where's your paste? |
| 18:21.20 | dvs | rindolf: YOu missed it in #flood |
| 18:21.22 | Gron | perfdave: I seem to have gotten mv to move the files but i get a few errors such as mv: cannot overwrite directory `/var/www/vhcs2/engine/backup' is there a way around this? i used -f with no luck |
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| 18:21.31 | rindolf | dvs: heh. |
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| 18:21.40 | rindolf | dvs: #flood is Evil. |
| 18:21.43 | pipeline | Iwrite: Whatever it was that you wanted on Woody. |
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| 18:21.46 | hdo781 | ndiswrapper is only a source package. Don't I still have to compile a source package? |
| 18:21.51 | dvs | rindolf: I like the paster myself |
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| 18:22.09 | PerfDave | hdo781: USE FUCKING MODULE FUCKING ASSISTANT TO FUCKING INSTALL NDISWRAPPER FOR YOUR FUCKING PIECE OF NON-LINUX FUCKING SUPPORTED FUCKING HARDWARE! |
| 18:22.11 | rindolf | adexta: paste it to a http://sial.org/pbot/ |
| 18:22.23 | raf256 | I had sued alsactrl to set up sound, alsamixer to set volume, but still I do not hear any sonds... |
| 18:22.28 | valdyn | hdo781: type "m-a a-i ndiswrapper" |
| 18:22.28 | Iwrite | abrotman: NOw, I find current mobos don't support 2.4, never mind 2.6 kernel. Can't afford new mobos, this month, so trying to make current hardware and Woody play nice together.:^) |
| 18:22.40 | mwilson | oenek: <shrug> I have zero idea what "gdmflexiserver" might be. |
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| 18:22.48 | dvs | raf256: Did you unmute the channels? |
| 18:22.59 | PerfDave | Gron: You're probably trying to overwrite a directory with a file, I don't know about that. Try asking #bash. |
| 18:23.05 | abrotman | Iwrite: uhm .. sure they do ... they just don't support all the hardware on them .. especially if you're trying to use woody installer |
| 18:23.06 | Iwrite | BadMan: dual PIII 800MHz. |
| 18:23.07 | oenek | mwilson: type gdmflexiserver in an X-Terminal and find out |
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| 18:23.21 | adexta | http://sial.org/pbot/8700 |
| 18:23.22 | raf256 | oh, it worked o/ |
| 18:23.24 | pipeline | mwilson: frontend to Xnest and gdm |
| 18:23.24 | majelix | Has anyone had experience upkeeping a chrooted debian system? |
| 18:23.30 | oenek | mwilson: Its X's version of quick session switching |
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| 18:23.39 | raf256 | with mother fucker did set so fucked up sounds a test WAV for KDE< it almost rip my speakers appart |
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| 18:23.48 | oenek | mwilson: you can run new X-sessions on demand |
| 18:24.06 | abrotman | uhm |
| 18:24.09 | hdo781 | Okay. I'll do I as you all say. I was just trying to follow the instructions on the ndiswrapper wiki website. |
| 18:24.09 | abrotman | on demand .. |
| 18:24.12 | PerfDave | oenek: No, it's Gnome's version of session switching :) |
| 18:24.13 | andreas_ | can some one help me to change back to KDE |
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| 18:24.14 | dvs | raf256: Move the sliders DOWN then ;-) |
| 18:24.14 | abrotman | instead of just starting another one? |
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| 18:24.32 | PerfDave | andreas_: apt-get install kdm, select "KDE" from the KDM session menu? |
| 18:24.33 | raf256 | dvs: yea ;) but the sound is so fucking irritating for a test sound |
| 18:24.42 | SAO | hi all |
| 18:24.44 | oenek | PerfDave: You have a quicker way of doing it? :-) |
| 18:24.49 | dvs | raf256: But it got your attention so it worked. |
| 18:24.51 | andreas_ | can some one help me change from Gnome to Kde |
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| 18:25.02 | dvs | !install kde |
| 18:25.02 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 18:25.05 | oenek | PerfDave: It works and I use GDM so I like it |
| 18:25.06 | adexta | andreas_: apt-get install kdm |
| 18:25.07 | adexta | andreas_: apt-get install kde |
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| 18:25.23 | raf256 | in any case, my damn debian keeps using my broketree tuner as a sound card! I have to do "sountdctrl" as root after each boot, how to kept my via ac97 card permanently as primary card? |
| 18:25.24 | BadMan | Iwrite: not sure about dual kernels(dont have oen to play with) but you may just need to find a proper nvidia kernel such as nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-1-686-smp |
| 18:25.27 | nvz | raf256: yeah, the kde startup sound, will cause property damage |
| 18:25.34 | PerfDave | oenek: *shrug* I use KDE, I use KDE's session management. I'd never heard fo this gdmflexiserver first? |
| 18:25.35 | Iwrite | abrotman: I tried Sarge install. It locks system at Posix conformance check. I suspect 2.4 kernel problem with mobo - even with last available BIOS upgrade. |
| 18:25.41 | sao | is someone here using boosplash ? |
| 18:25.42 | BadMan | er dual procc |
| 18:25.45 | dvs | raf256: Switch the drivers around in the /etc/modules file |
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| 18:25.50 | raf256 | also, who was stupid enought to program a tvtuner as a audio card and gave it default higher priority then normal sound cards |
| 18:26.01 | dvs | Iwrite: Try "linux26" at the boot prompt |
| 18:26.06 | raf256 | dvs: how exacly? |
| 18:26.15 | oenek | PerfDave: I'm sure KDE does its own equivelent *L* |
| 18:26.29 | adexta | where can i get debian to detect my card? |
| 18:26.30 | dvs | raf256: Put the via driver before the bttv driver in the /etc/modules file |
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| 18:26.36 | valdyn | raf256: easy way: echo snd_via82xx >> /etc/modules |
| 18:26.41 | sao | is someone here using boosplash ? |
| 18:26.45 | raf256 | dvs: ny /etc/modules file do not havbe that entry at all... oh, ok |
| 18:26.46 | abrotman | Iwrite: sarge has a 2.6 option |
| 18:26.53 | dondelelcaro | !someone |
| 18:26.53 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 18:26.57 | PerfDave | oenek: Yeah, I was just contending your statement that "Its X's version of quick session switching" :) |
| 18:27.11 | sao | then help pls its not working on my notebook |
| 18:27.13 | andreas_ | when i type apt-get install kde it sais that kde is insatlled but i still have Gnome |
| 18:27.18 | kyncani | adexta: install discover ? |
| 18:27.18 | Iwrite | pipeline: I found what I needed at security.debian.org. I just can't get apt to find the package on cdrom, and install it. |
| 18:27.21 | oenek | PerfDave: ok my bad. I'm not for a holy war. |
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| 18:27.44 | valdyn | andreas_: how do you start X or log into X ? |
| 18:27.52 | sao | dondelelcaro, may i chat with only you? |
| 18:27.54 | oenek | PerfDave: but my original question concerns the X-Server and the consoles themselves |
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| 18:27.58 | bazz | anyone know where i can get a gcc 3.1 or 3.1.1 deb that will work on testing? |
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| 18:28.06 | majelix | valdyn: man startx |
| 18:28.07 | dondelelcaro | sao: just ask your actual question, and no, you may not /msg me. |
| 18:28.08 | kyncani | andreas_: at the login menu, you'll have to select kde |
| 18:28.15 | oenek | PerfDave: so it should be WM/Framework indepenent. |
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| 18:28.27 | valdyn | majelix: im helping him, i know very well what startx is =) |
| 18:28.28 | adexta | kyncani: is there an apt-get package? |
| 18:28.34 | majelix | :) |
| 18:28.36 | kyncani | adexta: sure :) |
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| 18:28.39 | sao | how you guys make this funny red names like blushing ;-? |
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| 18:28.52 | PerfDave | oenek: Yeah. I think that Ctrl-Alt-F(1-12) are implemented by X, so if they can be rebound they'll need to be rebound on the X level. |
| 18:28.53 | sao | whatever |
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| 18:29.16 | oenek | PerfDave: hmm ok I'll google it again |
| 18:29.28 | Pappa | adexta: it's called apt |
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| 18:29.43 | hdo781 | valdyn: I typed a m-a a-i ndiswrapper and I got the following error: root:/etc/apt# m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 18:29.43 | hdo781 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 18:29.43 | hdo781 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 18:29.44 | hdo781 | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 18:29.44 | hdo781 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:29.44 | hdo781 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:29.49 | adexta | Pappa: yes, yes, how clumsy of me |
| 18:29.58 | dvs | *plonk* |
| 18:30.00 | Pappa | :) |
| 18:30.03 | Iwrite | abrotman: Current mobos give kernel panics with every 2.4 & 2.6 distro I try. They play nice with 2.2, but I have video card support problem, so X won't load. |
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| 18:30.29 | valdyn | !moron hdo781 |
| 18:30.29 | dpkg | hdo781: You are moron #70 |
| 18:30.33 | abrotman | Iwrite: i have no idea what kind of motherboards these are .. but you're having some freakish issues .. did you try any of the acpi options etc? |
| 18:30.39 | Elven | Hello there. Got a little problem (after the filesystem unmounted in that transaction): http://paste.b0rk.de/?id=29p |
| 18:30.44 | andreas_ | the resalution and apperece and colors are fucked up |
| 18:30.49 | andreas_ | can some one help me |
| 18:30.49 | hdo781 | What did I do? |
| 18:30.50 | valdyn | hdo781: do what it sais; "apt-get -f install" |
| 18:30.52 | kakashi | has anyone here an idea how to set up ssh from an computer in an internal network (two NATs blocking my way) |
| 18:30.52 | sao | so i use framebuffer device, i know it shall depending on my 2.6er kernel use vesafb but if i use that one, my wlan card gets down so i use video=vesa i use 16bit mode and i need help, cause it seems like he tries to show splashscreen (grub initrd is set right) but cant display it, dmesg isnt working so i cant see what he detects ;-((( help pls |
| 18:30.57 | Elven | how do i fix that with the least possible collateral damage? |
| 18:31.00 | valdyn | hdo781: you flooded |
| 18:31.00 | andreas_ | the resalution and apperece and colors are fucked up can some one help me |
| 18:31.02 | Iwrite | abrotman: I d/l'd 1st Woody install CD, and let it do network install of the rest. |
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| 18:31.29 | adexta | kyncani: now what? |
| 18:31.29 | abrotman | Iwrite: what kind of motherboards are these? |
| 18:31.42 | abrotman | and if you keep avoiding the question . i'll just stop responding |
| 18:31.47 | valdyn | andreas_: you just now had a different problem. |
| 18:32.00 | hdo781 | Now that apt-get -f install worked. What should I do next? |
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| 18:32.04 | valdyn | andreas_: and read the topic, dont message people |
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| 18:32.24 | raf256 | I need some sound recorder, but that shows already the wavee |
| 18:32.25 | andreas_ | ok |
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| 18:32.31 | andreas_ | but can some one help me |
| 18:32.33 | valdyn | hdo781: run "m-a a-i ndiswrapper" again |
| 18:32.34 | kyncani | adexta: ?? say again, you wanted a card recognized and have installed discover, right ? |
| 18:32.36 | sao | so i use framebuffer device, i know it shall depending on my 2.6er kernel use vesafb but if i use that one, my wlan card gets down so i use video=vesa i use 16bit mode and i need help, cause it seems like he tries to show splashscreen (grub initrd is set right) but cant display it, dmesg isnt working so i cant see what he detects ;-((( help pls |
| 18:32.39 | raf256 | somrething like audacity for example |
| 18:32.40 | adexta | yes |
| 18:32.52 | adexta | my soundcard is integrated |
| 18:33.02 | sao | is someone here using bootsplash, pls help me ;-! |
| 18:33.10 | kyncani | adexta: well, you should be able to play sound now |
| 18:33.10 | adexta | and sarge doesn't list it under lspci |
| 18:33.19 | greycat | adexta: it might be an ISA device, then |
| 18:33.20 | raf256 | oh, the Audacity *is* for debian? lol \o/ yeah, Debian proves usefull again |
| 18:33.23 | adexta | and alsaconf won't detect it |
| 18:33.29 | abrotman | Elven: do you really have a SUID shell? |
| 18:33.30 | greycat | adexta: or broken |
| 18:33.31 | adexta | greycat: then what would I do? |
| 18:33.37 | sao | is there another command to see what gets booted than dmesg ? |
| 18:33.39 | greycat | adexta: I'd try "pnpdump" first. |
| 18:33.41 | Elven | abrotman: im doing it via sudo, yes |
| 18:33.48 | greycat | sao: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 18:33.49 | Elven | the "s" is an alias for sudo |
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| 18:33.54 | bazz | if i want a filesystem (fat32) to be mounted so it's owned by a particular user, what's the right line in my fstab? |
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| 18:34.03 | sao | hi greycat still here ;-? |
| 18:34.04 | greycat | bazz: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 18:34.26 | adexta | greycat: alsaconf says "no supported pnp or pci card found" |
| 18:34.41 | bazz | greycat: awesome, thanks |
| 18:34.47 | Elven | okay, i fixed it |
| 18:34.55 | abrotman | you fixed it? |
| 18:35.00 | adexta | it worked with suse |
| 18:35.10 | Elven | (by unpacking the deb archive and overwriting xml-core.* in /var/lib/dpkg/info/) |
| 18:35.13 | resiak | abrotman: ^^ SuSE! :D |
| 18:35.19 | valdyn | bazz: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 18:35.19 | Elven | (the scripts, that is) |
| 18:35.21 | abrotman | resiak: more acid! |
| 18:35.27 | abrotman | Elven: hrm .. ok |
| 18:35.28 | andreas_ | how do i adjust the screen resolution |
| 18:35.32 | resiak | abrotman: No CDBURNERR11111one |
| 18:35.33 | hdo781 | valdyn: I ran m-a a-i ndiswrapper again and it built the package and this message popped up: sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching |
| 18:35.45 | abrotman | resiak: it was an accident |
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| 18:35.51 | adexta | greycat: it also let me probe legacy ISA cars |
| 18:35.52 | BadMan | adexta: did you by chance look to see what sound modules were laoded for suse for your integrated snd card? |
| 18:35.58 | adexta | cards*, to no avail |
| 18:36.04 | adexta | BadMan: no, i had faith in debian |
| 18:36.08 | pipeline | andreas_: gnome-screen-properties, assuming that you're running gnome. IF the resolution you desire is unavailable, run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config" in a terminal, as root. |
| 18:36.14 | majelix | Anyone had experience upkeeping chrooted apps with debian? |
| 18:36.51 | pipeline | majelix: You've repeated yourself several times. Ask a real question. "anyone" questions will almost certainly be greeted with silence. |
| 18:37.10 | andreas_ | how do i delete Gnome!!! |
| 18:37.19 | majelix | pipe: I guess twice is several? :p |
| 18:37.27 | DuckTales | andreas_, apt-get -y remove gnome |
| 18:37.27 | jan__ | rm -rf /usr/bin/gnome |
| 18:37.29 | jan__ | ;) |
| 18:37.31 | Mage___ | with debfoster, deborphan and apt-get --purge remove |
| 18:37.33 | resiak | DuckTales: No. |
| 18:37.34 | valdyn | andreas_: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 18:37.34 | adexta | andreas_: does "apt-get uninstall gnome" work |
| 18:37.37 | resiak | !remove gnome |
| 18:37.37 | dpkg | remove gnome is, like, apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 18:37.44 | resiak | andreas_: ^^ |
| 18:37.48 | valdyn | adexta: no that wont work |
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| 18:37.57 | DuckTales | !remove kde |
| 18:37.57 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 18:37.58 | hdo781 | valdyn: Do you know what I have to do next to get my wireless working? |
| 18:38.05 | resiak | !tell DuckTales -about msgdpkg |
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| 18:38.25 | JohnnyST | What is the amount of applications in sarge? |
| 18:38.45 | resiak | JohnnyST: Look at packages.debian.org . For what it's worth, 16 CDs-worth. |
| 18:38.46 | valdyn | hdo781: no idea, that wasnt even the whole error message.., i suspect you have a funny kernel-headers directory ( linked something manually? ) |
| 18:38.51 | jan__ | !remove base-files |
| 18:39.06 | jan__ | oh-oh :) |
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| 18:39.43 | jan__ | !remove ssh |
| 18:39.46 | abrotman | resiak: but you overwrote my bo |
| 18:39.50 | valdyn | hdo781: lets do this first "m-a clean", then run "m-a a-i ndiswrapper" again, _then_ try to figure what you did wrong |
| 18:39.59 | hdo781 | Okay |
| 18:40.02 | jan__ | i think it is broken |
| 18:40.09 | trygvebw | Is there anyway to force apt-get installs? |
| 18:40.14 | andreas_ | what do i write to get the login thin and the to write the apt-get things |
| 18:40.24 | raf256 | hmm my microphone is not wokrking in audacity |
| 18:40.32 | Iwrite | Hm. Seems something went awry with my housemate's wireless router.:^/ |
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| 18:40.36 | raf256 | if I use ALSA, then what device should I select as input (microphone? |
| 18:40.37 | dvs | raf256: Unmute that too. |
| 18:40.52 | PerfDave | trygvebw: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 18:40.56 | raf256 | dvs: yes, mic is unmuted and selected as a sound-inoput source in mixer |
| 18:40.57 | hdo781 | valdyn: The only thing I did manually was apt-get the kernel-header, everything else I let module-assistant perform. |
| 18:41.04 | raf256 | !wyttd valdyn |
| 18:41.07 | andreas_ | how do i run Kde |
| 18:41.10 | raf256 | !wayttd valdyn |
| 18:41.10 | valdyn | andreas_: can you even understand your own words? ( nothing against your language skills but this vagueness, uh.. ) |
| 18:41.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, valdyn? |
| 18:41.18 | greycat | andreas_: echo startkde >> ~/.xsession |
| 18:41.35 | Iwrite | To all who suggested any remedy that involves kernel more advanced than 2.2, my mobos don't (at least fully) support higher than 2.2 kernels. |
| 18:41.35 | raf256 | andreas_: and then run startx |
| 18:41.51 | valdyn | raf256: wth? |
| 18:41.54 | resiak | jan__: Has it occured to you that dpkg doesn't know everything? |
| 18:41.57 | bimmerd00d | is debian the best distro to learn on? |
| 18:42.20 | valdyn | hdo781: alright, was the error the same this time? |
| 18:42.21 | bimmerd00d | i hardly know anything about linux, but i want to learn |
| 18:42.26 | raf256 | well gentoo is good to lerearn compiling and to learn beeing patient |
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| 18:42.32 | raf256 | !gentoosmite bimmerd00d |
| 18:42.43 | trygvebw | Anyone? |
| 18:42.52 | hdo781 | valdyn: No error this time. Yay!! Do I have to modprobe ndiswrapper next? |
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| 18:43.20 | raf256 | dvs: hmm what input device should I choose, perhaps other then /dev/dsp? because audacity is not recording from microphone, and it is working - I hear microphon in speakers whern I set this in mixer |
| 18:43.22 | Iwrite | Any attempt to install RH8, RH9, CentOS or Debian Sarge produces multiple kernel panics and/or system locks when higher-than-2.2 kernel begins to load. |
| 18:43.35 | abrotman | Iwrite: what kind of motherboard again? |
| 18:43.42 | dvs | raf256: /dev/dsp is not an input device |
| 18:43.44 | raf256 | Iwrite: run memcheck |
| 18:43.48 | valdyn | hdo781: ask someone else and/or read /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper*. I have no clue at all about this ndiswrapper, just knew how to compile debian module source packages. |
| 18:43.50 | raf256 | dvs: so with device is? |
| 18:43.56 | rm-Rf | hey |
| 18:43.59 | hulo | bimmerd00d: linux is linux |
| 18:44.02 | PerfDave | Iwrite: Have you tried booting with noacpi or something? |
| 18:44.06 | Iwrite | raf256: memcheck86+ said my memory is fine. |
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| 18:44.07 | bimmerd00d | that's waht i figured |
| 18:44.11 | rm-Rf | does someone installed debian on a flash |
| 18:44.12 | oenek | PerfDave: Are the kde packages undergoing updating or are they broken right now? |
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| 18:44.21 | rm-Rf | i need to make it small |
| 18:44.26 | abrotman | i love how he keeps ignoring me |
| 18:44.27 | hdo781 | valdyn: Thanks for getting me this far. I would have been lost. |
| 18:44.28 | rm-Rf | is there a hint for this |
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| 18:44.44 | raf256 | dvs: shit, I had have my sound mixer )in audacity_ muted |
| 18:44.50 | raf256 | !smite raf256 |
| 18:44.53 | hulo | bimmerd00d: although i think some distros that are heavily reliant on gui-based config tools can distract |
| 18:44.54 | valdyn | hdo781: basically you need the windows driver, and load it, but again, no idea about details |
| 18:44.59 | abrotman | why couldn't morrison make a People are Dumb song ? |
| 18:45.04 | valdyn | hdo781: welcome |
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| 18:45.19 | PerfDave | oenek: No idea, I haven't tried updating for a while. My KDE is working just fine. |
| 18:45.26 | hulo | bimmerd00d: so if you want to really learn linux i would not recommend some of those as much |
| 18:45.40 | Iwrite | PerfDave: I spent 3 weeks trying everything. Only option that works consistently with my Gigabyte GA-6VXDC7 mobos is Woody 2.2 kernel (currently with Sarge upgrades for all other packages). |
| 18:46.04 | oenek | PerfDave: I probably just have something fubared over here |
| 18:46.16 | jan__ | resiak: well, yes, but it could be auto computed :) |
| 18:46.22 | PerfDave | bimmerd00d: Debian is a good way to learn Linux - there's a reasonable balance between GUI and command-line, but most importantly things tend to Just Work with Debian which will lead to less frustration on your part, and the support structure is excellent. |
| 18:46.29 | hulo | bimmerd00d: IMHO debian is a good balance. its debconf gives a good configuration when a package is installed, but you still have access to the config files, etc. |
| 18:46.54 | bimmerd00d | that's waht i was told, i will just stick with it |
| 18:46.56 | trygvebw | what about ubuntu? it has the debian power + user friendly'ness |
| 18:47.03 | Iwrite | abrotman: If that refers to me, I answered severalof your questions, before I saw my connection lost. Sorry, if that made you think I ignored you.:^) |
| 18:47.11 | raf256 | bimmerd00d: start with apt-get synaptic and use synaptic - it is so neat |
| 18:47.13 | nvz | I hope its still Monday the 28th, feels like I've been sleeping forever. I got books due |
| 18:47.17 | abrotman | Iwrite: i'm pretty sure tha'ts not a new motherboard .. or even close |
| 18:47.24 | dvs | trygvebw: It's that "user friendlyness" that prevents people from learning linux |
| 18:47.27 | Phated | nvz: Tuesday here. ;) |
| 18:47.28 | adexta | trygvebw: is it possible to use kde on ubuntu? |
| 18:47.37 | greycat | adexta: how the fuck would we know? |
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| 18:47.44 | bimmerd00d | i think im going to start from scratch with debian woody, i've pretty much screwed this up as much as it can get :] |
| 18:47.44 | oenek | bimmerd00d: Debian and its children are the only distros I've found that actually upgrade correctly |
| 18:47.57 | abrotman | Iwrite: it's a socket 370 PIII board .. what makes you think that is new? |
| 18:47.58 | Phated | Start with sarge. |
| 18:48.03 | trygvebw | adexta: Yes, of course, just apt-get install kde |
| 18:48.04 | adexta | oenek: letting yast upgrade on suse works just fine |
| 18:48.09 | PerfDave | trygvebw: Ubuntu is not particularly more user friendly, the support structure is crappy. |
| 18:48.17 | trygvebw | Oh, why? |
| 18:48.25 | sao | greycat still here ? |
| 18:48.26 | adexta | does it come with gnome by default? |
| 18:48.50 | trygvebw | Yes |
| 18:48.53 | greycat | adexta: ask #ubuntu. we don't know or care. |
| 18:48.56 | valdyn | adexta: #ubuntu, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ |
| 18:49.00 | Iwrite | abrotman: I bought two in Nov., 2001. Hence, too old for any but 2.2 kernel, even with last available (3rd party) BIOS upgrade. |
| 18:49.02 | oenek | adexta: True. I haven't tried Yast yet. |
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| 18:49.02 | greycat | trygvebw: stop pimping other distros here, please. |
| 18:49.03 | trygvebw | Or you can install Kubuntu, which comes with KDE as default. |
| 18:49.03 | dhuv | hello all |
| 18:49.07 | Darien | yast is a pain |
| 18:49.12 | trygvebw | greycat: As you wish. |
| 18:49.15 | abrotman | Iwrite: that's crap .. i just installed sarge on a 486 |
| 18:49.20 | dhuv | i am trying to tweak evolution to open pdf with acrobat by default |
| 18:49.25 | Laubzega | recent updates completely disable bitmap fonts on my setup. Previously I could reenable them by editing /etc/fonts/local.conf, but it is not even present anymore. Where can I learn how to fix this, as I really need bitmap fonts? |
| 18:49.27 | dhuv | i dont even see it in the list of applications to use |
| 18:49.31 | nvz | Phated: well its still Monday afternoon here... and they've improved the einetwork since I've been gone.. I can now login online and renew my books :P |
| 18:49.35 | oenek | adexta: I but do have experiences with most other distros out there and they say they have sooth upgrade paths but they don't. |
| 18:49.38 | dhuv | does anyone know where i can set the application to use? |
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| 18:49.40 | adexta | Iwrite: i'm running sarge on a pentium 2 as we speak |
| 18:49.50 | PerfDave | trygvebw: A smaller, less clueful user base. Most Ubuntuites seem to have rushed into the "ooh shiny" hype with no idea what they're doing, hence can't support their fellow users. I hung out on #ubuntu for a while to see why so many Ubuntu users came onto #debian, it was depressing. |
| 18:49.52 | adexta | oenek: i used suse for almost a year |
| 18:49.52 | abrotman | Iwrite: there are options to the sarge installer .. did you try any of them? .. like the acpi options etc? |
| 18:49.58 | dhuv | i use kde 3.3 but i have also the latest gnome installed for this |
| 18:49.59 | Phated | nvz: Heh, cool. |
| 18:50.01 | Iwrite | My two biggest mistakes were 1) Gigabyte mobo(s) with VIA chipsets, 2) buying one of the only NVidia video cards nv apparently doesn't support.:^/ |
| 18:50.06 | valdyn | dhuv: man mailcap |
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| 18:50.12 | dhuv | any ideas on how to set mime types in gnome 2.8? |
| 18:50.13 | sao | greycat i tried to change /etc/default/bootlogd to yes, i restartet but no file under /var/log named boot exists ;-( i didnt change the default path ;-( so what now ? |
| 18:50.14 | dvs | PerfDave: They still do come over here |
| 18:50.17 | oenek | adexta: Why change then? |
| 18:50.18 | Iwrite | adexta: Is it a Gigabyte? |
| 18:50.21 | bimmerd00d | iwrite, which nv card is not supported? |
| 18:50.21 | dhuv | valdyn: let me see |
| 18:50.30 | thorie | how can i get the webmin-mysql module for webmain for debian sarge? |
| 18:50.30 | PerfDave | dvs: I'm aware of that. |
| 18:50.41 | abrotman | Iwrite: irrelevant .. try the installer's options .. |
| 18:50.46 | abrotman | Iwrite: have you tried any of the,? |
| 18:50.48 | dvs | Iwrite: What's wrong with a VIA chipset? |
| 18:50.48 | valdyn | dhuv: rightclick on a file in nautilus |
| 18:50.50 | dhuv | valdyn: mailcap is used by evolution? |
| 18:50.50 | abrotman | them? |
| 18:50.56 | PerfDave | Iwrite: nv supports that card, just not the version in Woody. Upgrade to Sarge, or run a backported X from backports.org on Woody. |
| 18:50.58 | nvz | Phated: yeah its real cool :P http://einetwork.net/ access to over 70 libraries and they send the materials to your local library |
| 18:51.04 | Laubzega | people, I beg you. Where can I read on how to enable bitmap fonts in X again? |
| 18:51.06 | abrotman | i'm seriously starting to think Iwrite is just trolling |
| 18:51.11 | dhuv | valdyn: i just have basic gnome install |
| 18:51.12 | valdyn | dhuv: i thougth so, im not sure actually |
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| 18:51.15 | dhuv | dont have natilus installed |
| 18:51.22 | Phated | nvz: Wow, that's really cool. |
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| 18:51.44 | valdyn | dhuv: i think you need it to edit mime types from "gnome" |
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| 18:51.56 | sao | is someone knowing another command than dmesg that shows me boot text? bootlogd doesnt work for me, it seems ;-( |
| 18:52.03 | adexta | oenek: wanted to try something new |
| 18:52.13 | greycat | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 8297 Jan 13 16:12 /var/log/boot |
| 18:52.24 | greycat | sao: does it work if you *create* one first? is /var full? |
| 18:52.29 | sao | greycat i tried to change /etc/default/bootlogd to yes, i restartet but no file under /var/log named boot exists ;-( i didnt change the default path ;-( so what now ? |
| 18:52.37 | rindolf | adexta: I sent you some messages in IM. |
| 18:52.43 | greycat | 13:52 greycat> sao: does it work if you *create* one first? is /var full? |
| 18:52.45 | gurrag | how do I get apt-get to install a .deb that I have on disk? can I write something like |
| 18:52.52 | adexta | Iwrite: suse is large |
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| 18:52.53 | LazloFruvous | is libpam-devperm the best way to set up publicly-accessible machines so that logged-in users have access to /dev/dsp etc ? |
| 18:52.54 | gurrag | apt-get install ./myoack.deb |
| 18:52.57 | abrotman | gurrag: man dpkg |
| 18:52.58 | greycat | gurrag: you don't. just dpkg -i it. |
| 18:52.58 | freach | hi got a problem with my bluetooth headset, i use btsco and alsa for having sound on the headset, but i only can use the hw:0 or hw:headset device for having sound and no linux softphone has alsa support, i think i can solve the problem with device mapping oss -> alsa but how ? |
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| 18:53.26 | sao | you mean kind like (in /var/log) nano -w boot.log ? |
| 18:53.26 | valdyn | dhuv: gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment which depends on nautilus... |
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| 18:53.35 | oenek | adexta: Well adexta a lot of the configuration in debian isn't the greatest do to attempts to make it compatiable with everything but with little effort you can get it up there. |
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| 18:53.44 | greycat | sao: /var/log/boot not /var/log/boot.log |
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| 18:53.48 | nvz | Phated: yeah plus my card gets me into the PA Power Access Library online. Access Pennsylvania Database, AP Photo Archive, Auto Repair Reference Center, Sirs, Ebsco, Groiler online..etc..etc |
| 18:54.10 | gurrag | greycat: thanks |
| 18:54.18 | sao | yes i know was an exam. only ;-) so it doesnt exist, you mean i shall create one ? isnt this script able to ? |
| 18:54.45 | Iwrite | bimmerd00d: My GeForce FX 5200 isn't listed as part of nv in X abort message. |
| 18:54.48 | adexta | oenek: what i really wanted was a harder to use distro, so the other linux users wouldn't make fun of me |
| 18:54.51 | abrotman | nvz: you stay out of my stuff! |
| 18:54.53 | bimmerd00d | ahh ok good |
| 18:54.54 | sfire||mouse | has anyone had cramfs fail when installing a kernel? |
| 18:54.55 | adexta | and my "Adolf Lunix" |
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| 18:55.00 | nvz | abrotman: heh, its not your stuff! |
| 18:55.03 | bimmerd00d | just making sure i didn't buy an unsupported card! |
| 18:55.07 | abrotman | nvz: i pay pa taxes .. you don't! |
| 18:55.08 | oenek | adexta: thats silly |
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| 18:55.18 | oenek | adexta: if it works, it works |
| 18:55.23 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 18:55.24 | lord_rob | Hi ! When I press ctrl+alt+delete, my computer reboots, but I'd like it to halt instead. How do I do this ? |
| 18:55.27 | nvz | abrotman: I am back in PA now |
| 18:55.28 | Iwrite | dvs: I thought VIA had good reputation when I bought mobos. A couple of folks in different chat channels say VIA no good. |
| 18:55.31 | abrotman | nvz: again? |
| 18:55.34 | rudson | hey y'all |
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| 18:55.45 | abrotman | Iwrite: google for "sarge GA-6VXDC7" |
| 18:55.46 | resiak | !hail lilo |
| 18:55.47 | adexta | oenek: i'm being silly |
| 18:56.04 | greycat | !wb lilo |
| 18:56.05 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! lilo has returned! |
| 18:56.09 | greycat | that one? |
| 18:56.18 | pbryan | lwrite: Via tends to be less optimal compared to NVidia, for example, but it has been reliable and compatible in my experience. |
| 18:56.21 | abrotman | !praise resiak |
| 18:56.24 | abrotman | see |
| 18:56.24 | valdyn | Iwrite: via is a company, they produce good and bad stuff, like any.. |
| 18:56.30 | rudson | okay... again: i want to use my hp deskjet 930c over network on my linux_debian(testing)... what shall i do to make it work? |
| 18:56.37 | raf256 | !smite resiak |
| 18:56.41 | pbryan | I hear ATI now has a kick-ass chipset. |
| 18:56.55 | Iwrite | abrotman: Again, I tried everything suggested by multiple sources in several chats, in Googled sites, etc. I even let my cat walk on my keyboard in the desperate hope she'd get lucky. |
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| 18:57.02 | resiak | !tell dpkg -about wieb |
| 18:57.13 | abrotman | Iwrite: and you passed the installer options? |
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| 18:57.16 | resiak | !smitesmite raf256 |
| 18:57.23 | TheSin | very quick Q |
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| 18:57.33 | Iwrite | PerfDave: I upgraded everything, except kernel to Sarge. Still boots only to text mode. |
| 18:57.34 | nvz | abrotman: I'll probably be in Morgantown next week, renewing my WV liscence and figuring out what to do with my car... PA would make me take a test, get a drivers permit, then wait forever, take another test.. blah blah blah in wv I can take the written test and get a new liscence, then come up here and change it over |
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| 18:57.37 | TheSin | I dled the netinst CD, is there an easy way to mod it before I burn it? |
| 18:57.42 | TheSin | I need to add a few files to it |
| 18:57.43 | abrotman | Iwrite: apparently someone else got it installed on the same mobo |
| 18:57.57 | abrotman | nvz: you moved back up here? |
| 18:58.12 | nvz | abrotman: yep, a few weeks ago |
| 18:58.22 | abrotman | nvz: oh .. no more spiders eh? |
| 18:58.22 | Iwrite | abrotman: Perhaps, if you discard all but focus on my original question, you'll see I'm not trolling. |
| 18:58.23 | PerfDave | Iwrite: well, if you're running Sarge's version of X, then nv supports an FX5200 |
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| 18:59.05 | Iwrite | My question is how to get apt to see kernel source .deb I burned to CD, so I can meet NVidia driver .run demand for kernel source. |
| 18:59.09 | rudson | okay... again: i want to use my hp deskjet 930c over network on my linux_debian(testing)... what shall i do to make it work? |
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| 18:59.17 | abrotman | Iwrite: i missed it .. and am just curious if you have tried the installer arguments .. such as apic acpi apm etc .. or disabling those features in the bios |
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| 18:59.27 | Iwrite | PerfDave: I'll investigate backporting option. |
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| 18:59.53 | resiak | !tell Iwrite -about nvidia howto |
| 18:59.54 | valdyn | !tell foomatic about cups |
| 18:59.54 | PerfDave | Iwrite: You just said you dist-upgraded to Sarge! You don't need to backport! Or were you lying? |
| 18:59.56 | resiak | Iwrite: DO NOT USE THE .run ! |
| 18:59.57 | Humbe | What is the name of the ruleset standard /etc/init.d/iptables script loads on default? |
| 19:00.01 | valdyn | !tell rudson about cups |
| 19:00.02 | nvz | abrotman: nope, millipedes, lady bugs, and japanese beetles.. pretty soon it will be wasps and yellow jackets |
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| 19:00.17 | abrotman | nvz: i'm sick of japanese beetles already |
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| 19:00.31 | c4_ | why does the system Linux kernel load so slowly, the dots, at start load slowwww? |
| 19:00.35 | Iwrite | adexta: I'm told Suse is more a developer distro than production distro, as in CentOS v. Fedora. |
| 19:00.39 | abrotman | c4_: uncompressing |
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| 19:00.45 | valdyn | rudson: read and .. you can also use foomatic-gui to configure your printer |
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| 19:01.07 | tabatha | What line should I put in /etc/sudoers to let user foo run /sbin/poweroff without a password, and all other commands with a password? |
| 19:01.09 | mbjones | I just did a basic install, installed xfce4 and xorg, but startx does not do anything. How can I get X to run with xfce4? |
| 19:01.15 | resiak | tabatha: man sudoers |
| 19:01.22 | resiak | mbjones: How did you install xorg? |
| 19:01.28 | ama | mbjones edit your .xinitrc |
| 19:01.31 | tabatha | resiak, I tried, but I don't seem to be able to get it. |
| 19:01.35 | XELON | hi, is there anybody who are using enlightenment? |
| 19:01.35 | c4_ | abrotman: i have installed winxp, so i've to re-run lilo and starts doing this |
| 19:01.39 | resiak | tabatha: Read it again :) |
| 19:01.44 | mbjones | resiak: apt-get |
| 19:01.51 | valdyn | c4_: you use lilo right? add "compact" to your lilo.conf ( after having made a bootdisk or some way to rescue your system in case that breaks something ) |
| 19:01.51 | abrotman | c4_: it always does it |
| 19:01.51 | mbjones | ama: startx is not a valid command |
| 19:01.53 | resiak | mbjones: Xorg? Not XFree86? |
| 19:01.55 | Iwrite | abrotman: O.K. I'll try Google for Sarge <mobo>. |
| 19:02.08 | mbjones | resiak: bah, running ubuntu |
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| 19:02.12 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 19:02.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 19:02.13 | resiak | mbjones: GET OUT! |
| 19:02.13 | tabatha | resiak: tried that too :-) afaics, "tabatha ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/poweroff, PASSWD: ALL" should work, and yet it doesn't... |
| 19:02.15 | mbjones | resiak: go ahead, tell me to go to #ubuntu lol |
| 19:02.21 | PerfDave | mbjones: xorg is not in Debian. If you're running xorg, you're either not running Debian, or not using Debian packages. |
| 19:02.26 | resiak | PerfDave: ^^ :) |
| 19:02.27 | dhuv | valdyn: thanks, that did it |
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| 19:02.42 | nvz | hmm 47degF I wonder if I should go leather or fleece :P |
| 19:02.42 | valdyn | c4_: and naturally run "lilo" after you edidted your lilo.conf |
| 19:02.46 | PerfDave | Fucking Ubuntu weenies. |
| 19:02.49 | resiak | tabatha: The order matters, I think. |
| 19:02.52 | trygvebw | Why? |
| 19:02.52 | trygvebw | :P |
| 19:02.55 | abrotman | Iwrite: or debian installer <mobo> .. or if you can't run the installer at all .. ask #debian-boot |
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| 19:03.12 | nvz | or just cotton for that matter |
| 19:03.15 | tabatha | resiak, order of what? Swap over the NOPASSWD and PASSWD sections? I'll give it a try. |
| 19:03.22 | valdyn | dhuv: what did? changing mimetypes in gnome changed them in nautilus? |
| 19:03.22 | PerfDave | Good lord, #debian is chock full of fucking morons today. Must be the bank holiday, it's an honorary Sunday. |
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| 19:03.25 | kzimmmm | hi |
| 19:03.26 | resiak | tabatha: will ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 19:03.31 | resiak | tabatha: will ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdown |
| 19:03.45 | resiak | tabatha: In that order it lets my user run shutdown without a password, and anything else with a password. |
| 19:03.45 | tabatha | resiak, ah. two separate lines. didn't think of that. |
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| 19:03.51 | kzimmmm | i have been hack i think :/ i have a ./bc <IP> 5000%D process what can i do ? |
| 19:03.57 | resiak | tabatha: ... Uh, how closely did you read man sudoers? |
| 19:04.14 | XELON | hi, is there anybody who are using enlightenment? |
| 19:04.42 | PerfDave | XELON: No, nobody uses Enlightenment, even the Enlightentment devs. |
| 19:04.48 | resiak | tabatha: less /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/sudoers |
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| 19:05.01 | DuckTales | Enlightenment |
| 19:05.06 | XELON | PerfDave: why? |
| 19:05.08 | DuckTales | Isn't that the bloated eye candy window manager? |
| 19:05.09 | abrotman | PerfDave: Gnea does |
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| 19:05.15 | tabatha | resiak, sudoers(5) says " ray rushmore = NOPASSWD: /bin/kill, PASSWD: /bin/ls, /usr/bin/lprm"...but two lines should work, so thanks :) |
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| 19:05.27 | PerfDave | !anybody use |
| 19:05.27 | dpkg | No, no-one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:05.29 | XELON | PerfDave: what is wrong with enlightenment? |
| 19:05.41 | tabatha | resiak, thanks! |
| 19:05.43 | resiak | !dict sarcasm |
| 19:05.45 | dpkg | Dictionary 'sarcasm' (1 of 2): The sarcasms of those critics who imagine our art to be a matter of inspiration. --Sir J. Reynolds.. |
| 19:05.46 | travisat | everything, every fucking thinig |
| 19:05.48 | resiak | tabatha: Not a problem. Enjoy! |
| 19:05.55 | PerfDave | XELON: Nothing, it was just a dumb question. |
| 19:05.57 | nvz | XELON: its more whats wrong with your question |
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| 19:06.21 | abrotman | XELON: there's nothing wrong with it .. but i think there's an Enlightenment channel |
| 19:06.25 | nvz | XELON: ever heard "ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer"? |
| 19:06.32 | c4_ | valdyn: that compact thing is commented out now, may be the mantainers new version, but that should be the thing, thanks. thanks abrotman too |
| 19:06.42 | abrotman | c4_: okeedokee |
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| 19:07.13 | abrotman | #enlightenment has 11 people in it |
| 19:07.15 | XELON | PerfDave and nvz : if you say nobody use enlightenemt, then there must be a reason, isn't it?? |
| 19:07.24 | nvz | methinkgs Okee Dokee is Yankee Doodle's nephew from Oklahoma |
| 19:07.29 | abrotman | XELON: #enlightenment .. |
| 19:07.30 | XELON | abrotman: nobody answering there!!! |
| 19:07.36 | PerfDave | XELON: Yes, the reason is that you asked a silly question. |
| 19:07.42 | abrotman | XELON: ok .. don't yell at me about it .. |
| 19:07.43 | abrotman | !piav |
| 19:07.43 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 19:08.00 | abrotman | XELON: are you using debian? |
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| 19:08.08 | XELON | yes, I am |
| 19:08.13 | PerfDave | XELON: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 19:08.19 | dut | Hi! I have strange situation: i have Debian Sarge on 2 DVDs(February snapshot) but i don't have package: eric. What's wrong? |
| 19:08.34 | dut | Or some packages don't include in DVDs? |
| 19:08.35 | nvz | !info eric sarge |
| 19:08.38 | dpkg | eric: (full featured Python IDE), section python, is optional. Version: 3.6.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1576 kB, Installed size: 9160 kB |
| 19:08.53 | XELON | PerfDave: /msg dpkg smart answers about dummy questions ! |
| 19:09.01 | greycat | !stupid answers |
| 19:09.01 | dpkg | Giving someone the literal answer to their stupid question, when you KNOW it will cause them to damage their system, qualifies as a stupid answer. Also, spoon-feeding someone the answer to their FAQ instead of making them read the FAQ just leads them to ask *more* stupid questions; so that's a stupid answer too. |
| 19:09.01 | PerfDave | dut: Maybe eric wasn't in Sarge in February. |
| 19:09.03 | valdyn | dut: maybe it wasnt in sarge in february |
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| 19:09.27 | morbius | how can i fix this? http://pastebin.ca/8365 |
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| 19:09.45 | dut | valdyn: oh, thanks. So, that's mean what it been in Sid? |
| 19:10.33 | travisat | XELON: use fvwm and forget about enlightenment, join the dark side!! |
| 19:10.36 | jdorje | in debian unstable, what package do I need for mozilla java runtime? And, why is this not installed by default? |
| 19:10.43 | resiak | !tell jdorje -about java |
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| 19:10.47 | resiak | morbius: You using Sid? |
| 19:10.55 | cantona | what is the package start with "ri" in dpkg -l |
| 19:10.57 | neo10-CZE_ | hello |
| 19:10.58 | valdyn | dut: possibly, or not in debian at all, it just means that it wasnt in sarge |
| 19:11.01 | resiak | cantona: rtfm |
| 19:11.06 | greycat | cantona: it means it's half-removed. read the header. |
| 19:11.10 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hello |
| 19:11.15 | nvz | jdorje: because that would be against debian policy to install it by default |
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| 19:11.34 | PerfDave | jdorje: Sun's Java is non-free and can't be distributed with Debian by default because of its stupid licensing policy, which is why many people don't use it. |
| 19:11.40 | dut | valdyn: all okay. Sorry. That's write, in february, this package been in Sid. Thanks! |
| 19:11.59 | morbius | resiak: i honestly don't know |
| 19:12.01 | nvz | s/write/right/ |
| 19:12.07 | sfire||mouse | I've got a up-to-date sarge i386 box running 2.4.26 and I'm trying to install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386, but I get "mkcramfs: ROM image write failed (wrote 2691072 of 3895296 bytes): No space left on device?" |
| 19:12.08 | pbryan | s/stupid licensing/licensing/ |
| 19:12.10 | resiak | morbius: ... how did you install Debian? |
| 19:12.29 | Iwrite | BTW, X error messages included "Failed to load pex5 & xie" because they "don't exist," if this helps. |
| 19:12.35 | morbius | 1 cd then i apt-get the necessary packages |
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| 19:12.51 | morbius | do you want the uname -r? |
| 19:12.57 | resiak | morbius: Okay, I was just checking that you weren't using some horrific clone of Debian. |
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| 19:13.06 | rcsu | hi * |
| 19:13.16 | morbius | no, im a simpleton |
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| 19:13.35 | resiak | morbius: Have you tried apt-get --purge remove vm , followed by reinstalling it? |
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| 19:13.48 | rcsu | is there a way to check the binaries that they are the same that comes from a package ? |
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| 19:14.02 | Iwrite | abrotman: Neither "enter," nor any other boot option prevented kernel panics. Only install that went smoothly was _2.2 kernel_ Woody, which I then upgraded to Sarge (all but kernel). |
| 19:14.04 | nvz | rcsu: debsums |
| 19:14.09 | rcsu | thx |
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| 19:14.19 | StucKman | hi all |
| 19:14.23 | StucKman | I have a dsl modem |
| 19:14.23 | resiak | Iwrite: File a bug. For me, though, that was caused by bad RAM. |
| 19:14.28 | resiak | !tell StucKman -about enter |
| 19:14.39 | nvz | StucKman: congratulations |
| 19:14.45 | nvz | StucKman: I have 2 cable modems |
| 19:14.46 | abrotman | Iwrite: i didn't mean enter or linux26 .. i meant the real options |
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| 19:14.48 | abrotman | jeez |
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| 19:14.58 | resiak | StucKman: I have a hamster! |
| 19:15.01 | StucKman | I read /usr/share/doc/ppp/README.Debian.gz |
| 19:15.06 | resiak | !tell StucKman -about enter |
| 19:15.07 | abrotman | nvz: yay adelphia! |
| 19:15.17 | resiak | StucKman: Do not hit enter after every half sentence! |
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| 19:15.19 | abrotman | oh .. he's not on adelphia ... |
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| 19:15.29 | abrotman | resiak: why? is |
| 19:15.29 | nvz | abrotman: adelphia is in morgantown, here in the pittsburgh area we have comcast |
| 19:15.32 | abrotman | it annoying? |
| 19:15.38 | resiak | abrotman: Well, it |
| 19:15.41 | resiak | can be hard to |
| 19:15.42 | resiak | read. |
| 19:15.44 | nvz | abrotman: neither of my modems belong to comcast |
| 19:15.44 | abrotman | nvz: they have something else in altoona . i do remember that |
| 19:15.44 | Grumpy | I need to image an old HD to a new HD in this computer I'm working on, anyone know of a sourceforge project or anything which would make this simple and quick for me? |
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| 19:15.51 | morbius | resiak: http://pastebin.ca/8380 <- still failing |
| 19:15.53 | resiak | grivell: dd ? |
| 19:16.02 | morbius | it says that it removed VM ok though.. |
| 19:16.08 | Iwrite | resiak: I copied your links from dpkg. Thank you. I will follow up.:^) |
| 19:16.09 | StucKman | it says how to setup so it brings up the ppp iface on boot |
| 19:16.24 | StucKman | aw |
| 19:16.25 | nvz | abrotman: when you see my cousin come in, his host is pitt.pa.adelphia, but he's actually in morgantown.. they use adelphia down there.. but I guess his node is in pittsburgh or something |
| 19:16.27 | Iwrite | resiak: O.K. That's you and |
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| 19:16.38 | StucKman | (sorry the missing `periods') |
| 19:16.40 | resiak | Iwrite: Good luck! |
| 19:16.43 | StucKman | so... |
| 19:16.50 | Iwrite | PerfDave who warn against .run. Guess I better check the links you provided, before I proceed.:^) |
| 19:16.51 | Grumpy | resiak: it's a win95 system, so like I need something that could boot of floppy or CD |
| 19:16.56 | abrotman | nvz: that's a wee bit odd |
| 19:17.02 | resiak | Grumpy: tomsrtbt ! \o/ |
| 19:17.06 | resiak | !tell Grumpy -about tomsrtbt |
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| 19:17.18 | resiak | Grumpy: That's probably what I'd use, but I'm not sure if it's what you want. |
| 19:17.21 | nvz | abrotman: yeah he lives like 80 miles or so from Pittsburgh. |
| 19:17.22 | abrotman | bootdisk.org ? |
| 19:17.24 | hgoesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.29 | resiak | !lose hgoesm |
| 19:17.29 | dpkg | hgoesm: You Lose. |
| 19:17.39 | dvs | We know his password! yay! |
| 19:17.44 | morbius | lol |
| 19:17.49 | abrotman | hgoesm: this is where you say .. oh shit |
| 19:17.49 | StucKman | the thing is that I have a `iface eth1 inet manual´ line in the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:17.50 | hgoesm | i know but im new hear |
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| 19:17.58 | hgoesm | yes |
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| 19:18.01 | abrotman | here |
| 19:18.01 | nvz | abrotman: in another state... you'd think it would say morgantown or wheeling, clarksburgh.. something actually in the state of wv |
| 19:18.01 | resiak | !hear |
| 19:18.02 | appaji | StucKman: if you have an ADSL modem, you probably want the pppoe* packages. |
| 19:18.07 | Grumpy | resiak: I just want to make basically an exact image of the existing HD to the new HD and hopefully I won't have to re-install win95 and all the apps and such, can such a thing be accomplished with just dd? |
| 19:18.11 | abrotman | nvz: ah well .. shit happens |
| 19:18.13 | StucKman | ... and the ppp doesn't bring up automatically |
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| 19:18.22 | resiak | StucKman: Unless of course it's an alcatel speedtouch, in which case you google for speedtouch linux and pray. |
| 19:18.26 | StucKman | ... I have to `ifconfig eth1 up´ by hand |
| 19:18.27 | StucKman | . |
| 19:18.34 | Grumpy | resiak: I'm going to hook the new drive up as a slave and image it that way hopefully |
| 19:18.44 | dvs | StucKman: You already got your answer |
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| 19:18.56 | nvz | abrotman: you ever wonder how in fast food places, shit happens all over the walls? my god, what are these people doing :P |
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| 19:19.06 | resiak | Grumpy: Are they the same size? |
| 19:19.20 | abrotman | nvz: no .. i only use the standups :) |
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| 19:19.26 | sfire||mouse | gah, ran out of space on /boot |
| 19:19.36 | Grumpy | resiak: unfortunately no, the old drive is a 60GB and the new is a 40GB but the old drive only has about 18G of data |
| 19:19.45 | resiak | Grumpy: Just make partitions of the exact same size as your current ones on the new disk, then dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 etc. You _must_ rtfm etc and have backups because I don't want to be responsible for your breakages :) |
| 19:19.47 | nvz | abrotman: well around here they are usually small one person br's and I've seen them covered in shit before |
| 19:19.47 | StucKman | dvs: nope, I don't know what to put in /etc/.../interfaces so eth1 is brought up but w/o configuring it... |
| 19:19.50 | Iwrite | PerfDave: I used apt as instructed by someone either here or in ##linux. This d/l'd a long list of files from "testing" which scrolled down my screen much to fast to read. I honestly don't know if these included Sarge nv or not. I suppose, I can (as abrotman would have it) "troll" for Sarge XFree86 or nv packages.:^) |
| 19:19.54 | resiak | Grumpy: Ah, then ... what's wrong with cp ? :) |
| 19:20.09 | abrotman | Iwrite: do you even have sarge installed? |
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| 19:20.12 | p88 | hi all |
| 19:20.24 | abrotman | nvz: you need to stop going to those places |
| 19:20.34 | abrotman | now i know how that chili's got shut down in pittsburgh |
| 19:20.34 | p88 | Is there a quicktime player for debian? |
| 19:20.45 | PerfDave | Iwrite: if you do "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" with Sarge sources configured and updated to, then you should get Sarge's X. |
| 19:20.47 | resiak | Grumpy: You can boot with a Windows boot disk, format the new disk to be bootable by Win95, then use tomsrtbt or similar to just cp everything. |
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| 19:21.02 | Grumpy | resiak: I could just mount the two partitions into like /mnt/old_drive and /mnt/new_drive and then cp -R /mnt/old_drive /mnt/new_drive |
| 19:21.03 | abrotman | p88: xine/mplayer |
| 19:21.03 | StucKman | p88: mplayer and the proper codecs |
| 19:21.17 | PerfDave | p88: No, but there are quicktime codecs. I think someplayers will play shittime out of the box, or install w32codecs from marillat |
| 19:21.21 | p88 | StucKman: mplayer doesn't exist in sarge |
| 19:21.23 | resiak | Grumpy: That's what I'd do, but you'll have to make the new drive bootable by Windows first. |
| 19:21.28 | resiak | !tell p88 -about marrilat |
| 19:21.30 | abrotman | p88: then use xine |
| 19:21.32 | resiak | !tell p88 -about marillat |
| 19:21.44 | Grumpy | resiak: sweet, thx dude U just saved me a bunch of time I think |
| 19:21.45 | resiak | p88: But listen to abrotman for he is wise. |
| 19:21.58 | abrotman | i am rabbit! |
| 19:22.07 | p88 | so xine with the appropriate codecs? |
| 19:22.21 | greycat | abrotman: hear you roar? |
| 19:22.36 | resiak | Grumpy: Heh. Best of luck. As I say, read the manuals and don't overwrite your old disk until you have checked the new one and I accept no responsibility etc ;-) |
| 19:22.49 | morbius | resiak: whenever you a get another moment could you please suggest any other options i have, i'd really like to be able to install w/apt-get again...sometime |
| 19:22.53 | Phated | Heh, IRC disclaimers. :) |
| 19:23.00 | helix | woo! my humidity is low today!! |
| 19:23.08 | Grumpy | resiak: well the nice thing is I don't have to overwrite the old disk anytime soon so I'll probably just sit on it for a while |
| 19:23.14 | Phated | helix: With moisturiser? :) |
| 19:23.18 | Phated | Well, or water. |
| 19:23.18 | resiak | morbius: I'm out of ideas, I'm afraid, aside from saying "File a bug!eoneoneone11" |
| 19:23.20 | abrotman | greycat: twister |
| 19:23.22 | StucKman | my question is: how do I configure eth1 so it is brought up automatically but without configuration, so thee ppp iface can be brought up later? |
| 19:23.25 | helix | Phated: yes! (40% today, awww yeah) |
| 19:23.28 | resiak | Moisturiser :D |
| 19:23.32 | Phated | helix: Hot damn. |
| 19:23.42 | resiak | Grumpy: Ace. |
| 19:23.42 | helix | Phated: and 22C! |
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| 19:23.49 | Phated | helix: Sweet! |
| 19:23.51 | dvs | StucKman: Make a static entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:23.51 | hgoesm | i changed it |
| 19:23.54 | helix | I should photodocument my journey |
| 19:24.01 | pw | if I'm building xscreensaver and it claims to not find the opengl libraries (as opposed to the headers which it did find) how can I convince it that said libraries are installed? |
| 19:24.05 | Phated | And see you all dried up? |
| 19:24.08 | helix | yeah :) |
| 19:24.09 | jon273 | Will apt-get upgrade nuke my configs? |
| 19:24.13 | Phated | Do eeeet. |
| 19:24.14 | morbius | ugh |
| 19:24.16 | morbius | damn |
| 19:24.21 | Iwrite | I've been a published writer, since age 17. I do my homework -- "rally, I do.":^) |
| 19:24.29 | StucKman | dvs: but a static iface needs the address/netmask |
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| 19:24.40 | Grumpy | jonathaN: no it'll prompt you if you've changed configs and ask to overwrite or now |
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| 19:24.47 | Grumpy | s/now/not |
| 19:25.02 | dvs | StucKman: Make one up with a noninternet address (i.e. 192.168.x.y) |
| 19:25.14 | Iwrite | resiak: Is a "bug" justified merely for outdated (ergo, unsupported) hardware? |
| 19:25.17 | jonathaN | Grumpy: and s/jonathaN/jon273/ ;-) |
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| 19:25.28 | resiak | morbius: Try reasking in a little while with pertinant facts from your paste included in your question. |
| 19:25.30 | Grumpy | jonathaN: right :) |
| 19:25.32 | StucKman | dvs: that doesn't work with the ppp iface |
| 19:25.35 | resiak | Iwrite: Ask the #debian-boot people. |
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| 19:25.58 | dvs | StucKman: I did for me when I used to use it. |
| 19:26.28 | jon273 | Grumpy, ok, thx |
| 19:26.42 | StucKman | dvs: ok, I'll give it a try |
| 19:26.50 | Grumpy | jon273: np |
| 19:26.55 | greycat | man, I *still* don't understand how this /dev/input/mice thing is supposed to work. Installing a new system today, when I tell X to use /dev/input/mice, it doesn't even recognize that device until I manually modprobe mousedev; and even then, I *still* have to edit the XF86Config-4 by hand to switch CorePointer to SendCoreEvents to get it to *work*. |
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| 19:27.03 | greycat | and then it's the wrong protocol, of course (ImPS/2 vs. PS/2) |
| 19:27.09 | StucKman | but I'm sure I read somewhere that say that the iface must be not-configured |
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| 19:27.28 | dabreegster | I just got console framebuffer to work. Now, is there a way I can have an image in the background of the console, sort of like the splash image for grub? I have framebuffer working. |
| 19:27.29 | genirrr | I use irssi-text as irc client right now, is there any other text based one that have more features? |
| 19:27.35 | Iwrite | abrotman: I have Woody install w/upgrade to all Sarge packages (I think), except kernel. |
| 19:27.55 | resiak | genirrr: irssi is the One True IRC Client. apt-get install irssi-scripts |
| 19:28.01 | PerfDave | genirrr: There are many scripts and modules to enhance irssi's functionality. What features do you want? |
| 19:28.19 | Phated | resiak: You mean... there are others? :) |
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| 19:28.24 | dabreegster | genirrr: BitchX might, but really, irssi is *THE BEST* |
| 19:28.33 | resiak | Phated: I tried XChat the other day *fear* |
| 19:28.33 | genirrr | PerfDave, just wanted an opinion about irssi |
| 19:28.37 | Phated | resiak: Mymy. |
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| 19:28.43 | greycat | Is there some magical invocation to make X (in sarge) just bloody *work* with any/all mice that happen to be stuck into the box, no matter what, without my having to predict in advance whether the end user's going to plug in a 2-button mouse, a 3-button mouse, a 2-button mouse with a scroll wheel, etc.? |
| 19:28.45 | genirrr | dabreegster, ok |
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| 19:28.51 | dabreegster | Is there a way to have a background image for the console with framebuffer? |
| 19:29.03 | travisat | dabreegster: bootsplash |
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| 19:29.12 | genirrr | dabreegster, do you use irssi-test? |
| 19:29.18 | dabreegster | genirrr: yep, it rules |
| 19:29.22 | genirrr | dabreegster, text* |
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| 19:29.35 | PerfDave | genirrr: You wanted more features. irssi is fairly minimal but can be extended for many more features. |
| 19:29.36 | resiak | greycat: I think that /dev/input/mice is always supposed to produce one of the ps/2 breeds of mousey signals, no matter what you plug in. |
| 19:29.40 | dabreegster | travisat: I thought that was for just the bootup time. it can be configured to always have a background image? |
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| 19:29.55 | Iwrite | PerfDave: apt-get install xserver*** yielded "already newsest version" with /etc/apt/sources set to "testing.":^) |
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| 19:30.06 | gurrag | I booted with a rescue disk. is there anyway I can get my usb-memory working? I want to copy some files before reinstalling everything... |
| 19:30.10 | tid-wave | hello what USB webcam do you recommend to work with GNU/Linux ? |
| 19:30.15 | travisat | dabreegster: yep, it makes the console pretteh |
| 19:30.28 | soften | is mysqlcc still available for sid? packages.debian.org says no such thing. |
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| 19:30.36 | PerfDave | Iwrite: Then you've probably got the newest version. |
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| 19:30.52 | dabreegster | travisat: awesome. is there a kernel thats easy to install prepackaged with it? |
| 19:30.54 | FieldySnuts | postmaaaaaan@!! |
| 19:31.03 | resiak | !tell dabreegster about bootsplash |
| 19:31.05 | PerfDave | tid-wave: I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, but my Logitech Quickcam USB works with linux, using module-assistant to compile the third-party driver. |
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| 19:31.36 | oenek | tid-wave: Avoid creative webcams |
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| 19:31.44 | Iwrite | resiak: I just hope those aren't hobnail boots.:^) |
| 19:31.48 | oenek | tid-wave: POSs |
| 19:31.55 | jimmiejaz | is there an arabic install guide translation, I can't seem to find one from google? |
| 19:32.07 | FieldySnuts | @spam Phated |
| 19:32.14 | Phated | @hump FieldySnuts |
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| 19:32.19 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 19:32.27 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
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| 19:32.34 | resiak | Iwrite: :) |
| 19:32.35 | FieldySnuts | bad bad |
| 19:32.39 | rindolf | adexta: still here? |
| 19:32.44 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Why? |
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| 19:32.54 | soften | or what gui tool can I use to modify or add data to mysql tables |
| 19:33.01 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 19:33.03 | greycat | soften: ask #mysql |
| 19:33.22 | FieldySnuts | if somebody says phpmyadmin, smite them for me |
| 19:33.22 | greycat | that "hump" factoid still needs much work. |
| 19:33.26 | FieldySnuts | yeah :( |
| 19:33.32 | Iwrite | PerfDave: Should I try apt-get nv? You said Sarge version should support my card, but re-boot still kills X. |
| 19:33.38 | soften | greycat, yeah just got back from there. |
| 19:33.43 | gurrag | i'm doing a new netinstall at home. i'm using the box mainly for webdevelopment. should I use sarge? |
| 19:34.00 | chealer | FieldySnuts: why? |
| 19:34.22 | soften | they said use the official mysql-query-browser which crashes when it tries to access my tables. looking for something else. like mysqlcc which worked great. |
| 19:34.28 | chealer | gurrag: unless you have high security need |
| 19:34.57 | tid-wave | thanks for the info |
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| 19:34.59 | greycat | resiak: do you have any pointers to docs about how to make the mouse handling more intelligent? |
| 19:35.02 | gurrag | chealer: nope. it's behind a firewall with no open ports |
| 19:35.06 | PerfDave | Iwrite: nv isn't a package. |
| 19:35.07 | resiak | greycat: I wish I did :) |
| 19:35.19 | FieldySnuts | because 1) it's web-based 2) it's php |
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| 19:36.15 | Iwrite | PerfDave: So, I can't track it down and add it.:^? |
| 19:36.24 | chealer | gurrag: so you should get more fun with sarge. woody is like, kde 2.2.2, gnome 1.4.0... |
| 19:36.37 | PerfDave | Iwrite: No, nv is an X driver, it's part of XFree86. |
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| 19:36.41 | PerfDave | Iwrite: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 19:37.02 | gurrag | chealer: where do I find netinst-cd of sarge? I only find woody iso... |
| 19:37.06 | oenek | Iwrite:Iwrite: Don't use the nv driver |
| 19:37.15 | Iwrite | PErfDave: O.K. Thanks.:^) |
| 19:37.30 | oenek | Iwrite: Use Nvidias linux drivers |
| 19:37.34 | chealer | gurrag: check the end of /topic |
| 19:37.38 | soften | the windows tool sqlyog from weblog.com works under wine. this is an ugly ugly way to do it. |
| 19:38.08 | l3m | Iwrite: module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 19:38.21 | gurrag | chealer: sorry... thanks! |
| 19:38.21 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you forgot the worst part .. it's for mysql |
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| 19:38.48 | chealer | gurrag: my pleasure |
| 19:39.23 | Iwrite | oenek: Hm. I now have two telling me don't use NVidia driver .run, and one (vous) saying go with .run. |
| 19:39.23 | chealer | !quicktime |
| 19:39.24 | dpkg | it has been said that quicktime is apple's multimedia file format, at http://www.quicktime.apple.com/ or Quicktime for Linux (Low level Quicktime library for *NIX), section Development/Libraries, is LGPL. Stable: 1.1.2, Development: none. http://apps.freshmeat.net/homepage/919133076/ |
| 19:39.29 | soften | being for mysql is a plus in this case, as my task is to enter data into a table which lives in a mysql database. |
| 19:39.39 | chealer | what's the 1.1.2 version software this factoid talks about? |
| 19:39.54 | soften | I could say to my client "I am too geekly good to do your work" but that wouldn't be financially smart. |
| 19:40.25 | Iwrite | BBL.:^) |
| 19:41.17 | mwilson | Hm, none of the Gnome themes provide folder icons? That's... odd. |
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| 19:41.59 | airox | Christ! One << He is spamming with pr0n things ... |
| 19:42.10 | airox | In color even! |
| 19:42.12 | resiak | !topicsmite airox |
| 19:42.13 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon airox. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:42.16 | freach | how do i map a alsa device on a oss device ? |
| 19:42.23 | dvs | !ops One is spamming with pr0n |
| 19:42.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: One is spamming with pr0n |
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| 19:42.51 | dvs | thank you |
| 19:42.54 | airox | Thanks. |
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| 19:44.02 | Furby | HI all... do we have a up-to-date kernel apt source? |
| 19:44.11 | dvs | Furby: only up to 2.6.8 |
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| 19:44.25 | pureone | abuse@ttnet.net.tr |
| 19:44.35 | Pappa | kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 19:44.35 | helix | wow, caphuso is here all the time now :) |
| 19:44.38 | Pappa | ? |
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| 19:44.46 | caphuso | helix: nah, i just woke up |
| 19:44.57 | Pappa | i never got the debian kernels working anyway |
| 19:45.18 | resiak | Pappa: You're on Sid .... what kernel did you use to install, then? |
| 19:45.26 | smacnay | Is w3m not capable of displaying php results? Seems that elinks can although I like w3m better. |
| 19:45.37 | helix | ah, that would explain why you were here when I went to bed last night |
| 19:45.41 | Pappa | resiak: a 2.4 kernel, was on the d-i |
| 19:45.45 | caphuso | smacnay: uh, a browser doesn't get to see php |
| 19:45.49 | Furby | Well, thats ok... I see the kernel debs in the pool, but I am wondering if there is an APT source that will work for woody |
| 19:45.51 | resiak | Pappa: So what's wrong with Debian kernels? |
| 19:46.11 | helix | caphuso: screwed up sleep schedule? |
| 19:46.15 | Pappa | they "work" alright, but somehow things are a bit strange |
| 19:46.18 | resiak | Furby: ... ... upgrade to Sarge. |
| 19:46.24 | caphuso | helix: slightly ;-) |
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| 19:46.39 | Furby | Can't upgrade its a production unit |
| 19:46.40 | pbryan | Hmm. dpkg's x.org response is somewhat cryptic. "maybe never"? |
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| 19:46.45 | Furby | Not at this time. |
| 19:46.52 | Pappa | well |
| 19:46.56 | Pappa | they're slow |
| 19:47.15 | smacnay | caphuso: sorry, I guess the site I was on was spewing out some result that required php on the server end. |
| 19:47.23 | l3m | pbryan: http://blogs.vislab.usyd.edu.au/index.php/Steve/2004/09/09/installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 19:47.31 | soften | furby: you want backports.debian.org - search for kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 19:47.41 | jd86 | Is there a debian-gnu channel? |
| 19:47.41 | pbryan | l3m: Yeah, saw that, but why would sid "never" have x.org? |
| 19:47.59 | tzafrir_laptop | anybody using module-assistant successfully as a user (not as root)? On Sarge it appears to be totally broken |
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| 19:48.01 | Pappa | jd86: ? |
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| 19:48.13 | soften | debian uses xfree86; is there some overriding reason why it should use x.org? |
| 19:48.17 | l3m | pbryan: dunno. it's probably just to prevent people stressing them to pack xorg ;) |
| 19:48.21 | Darien | soften: license issues |
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| 19:48.32 | Darien | soften: they changed to a non-free license |
| 19:48.35 | Darien | or a not-free-enough license |
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| 19:48.45 | Pappa | Darien: who? the xfree people? |
| 19:48.50 | Darien | Pappa: yes |
| 19:48.58 | l3m | soften: well debian does not use xfree 4.4 so there has to be something wrong with it ;) |
| 19:49.04 | tzafrir_laptop | soften, xorg is basically "the next version". Debian uses Xfree 4.3 which is free |
| 19:49.08 | Darien | so it was forked by x.org and is being improved upon |
| 19:49.13 | soften | I get it. |
| 19:49.16 | greycat | l3m: it uses xfree86 4.3.0 with backported pre-4.4 drivers |
| 19:49.25 | greycat | l3m: it's *damned* close to 4.4. |
| 19:49.27 | Pappa | the x.org people felt xfree was unmaintaned |
| 19:49.33 | resiak | tzafrir_laptop: Worksforme. |
| 19:49.34 | Darien | people have had problems with xfree86 for years (decades?) but never enough to actually change it |
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| 19:49.37 | tzafrir_laptop | The fact that Debian still uses XFree 4.3 is a separate issue :-) |
| 19:50.00 | l3m | greycat: yes but it's not 4.4 for political reasons... which would also legimitate a switch to xorg |
| 19:50.18 | greycat | resiak: setting protocol to "auto" seems to be working with the utterly-crappy 2-button PS/2 mouse they gave me to go with the system. |
| 19:50.29 | valdyn | l3m: debian isnt xorg for *stability* reasons |
| 19:50.30 | Darien | it also gives a good opportunity to make a more generic way of packaging X servers |
| 19:50.31 | greycat | resiak: I wonder whether I can find a scroll-mouse somewhere to test with... |
| 19:50.32 | resiak | greycat: Try plugging in something else and watching it burn :) |
| 19:50.35 | tzafrir_laptop | resiak, as a user? With custom kernel dirs? What environment vars did you need to set? |
| 19:50.50 | resiak | tzafrir_laptop: Erm, none... |
| 19:50.54 | l3m | valdyn: i think it's rather because no one packaged it yet |
| 19:50.59 | greycat | resiak: also worth noting is the fact that when I move this mouse horizontally, it sort of "staggers". I think it's hardware, not software. |
| 19:51.04 | tzafrir_laptop | resiak, what module? |
| 19:51.06 | l3m | valdyn: xorg runs as good as xfree |
| 19:51.14 | resiak | tzafrir_laptop: nvidia ... I did it yesterday. |
| 19:51.17 | Pappa | mine never crashed |
| 19:51.27 | l3m | valdyn: since, xorg is 98% xfree ;) |
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| 19:51.34 | resiak | greycat: I have a mouse that does that, too. |
| 19:51.35 | valdyn | l3m: wrong, its packaged by various people, including the debian x-strike-force afaik |
| 19:51.50 | valdyn | l3m: yea, and mice are be their genome 99.9% human |
| 19:52.00 | raf256 | how can I diagnostic FTP problems? |
| 19:52.11 | raf256 | is there a tool that will show me who is doing what on FTP? |
| 19:52.13 | raf256 | best - a GUI one |
| 19:52.19 | resiak | !tell raf256 -about enter |
| 19:52.26 | resiak | raf256: Ethereal might be of use. |
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| 19:52.36 | valdyn | l3m: iows, such a % value is just meaningless |
| 19:52.39 | smacnay | what file contains mime type associations? ~/.mime.type? ~/.mailcap? |
| 19:52.45 | raf256 | resiak: but higher level, I ment some nice GUI for FTP watching |
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| 19:52.57 | resiak | raf256: That'd be ftpd dependent. |
| 19:53.12 | l3m | valdyn: ok, after a bit of googleing it seems that xorg is not in sid yet because sarge isn't released yet |
| 19:53.14 | Qiang-work | i want to upgrade mysql server to the latest 4.1 and I did 'apt-show-versions -u | grep mysql , it shows only upgrade from 4.0.23-6 to 4.0.24-3 available. is it okay for me still go install mysql-server 4.1 ( apt-cache search mysql-server shows 4.1 available)? |
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| 19:53.18 | raf256 | resiak: vsftpd |
| 19:53.28 | valdyn | l3m: yea |
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| 19:53.28 | resiak | raf256: Don't look at me like I have a clue :) Google is your friend. |
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| 19:53.42 | l3m | valdyn: yes i didn't mean 98.0% or whatever percent, but it's mostly the same ... |
| 19:53.47 | Pappa | smacnay: /etc/mime.types |
| 19:53.55 | smacnay | Pappa: thanks |
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| 19:54.20 | Pappa | smacnay: but that's not application handlig, for system-wide appclication handling it's /etc/mailcap |
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| 19:54.26 | raf256 | why computer->ftp->computer is like x5 slower then HDD_. |
| 19:54.28 | l3m | valdyn: i think the only big differences are the build system which does not change stability at all, and the composite manager which is optinal |
| 19:54.33 | raf256 | ..then HDD->HDD inside one computer? |
| 19:54.49 | raf256 | when transvering over 100 lan (100 mbit/s) |
| 19:54.59 | resiak | raf256: Firstly, _stop_ breaking up your sentences. Secondly, do we really have to answer that? |
| 19:55.07 | resiak | !fr |
| 19:55.07 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 19:55.10 | resiak | Oh. |
| 19:55.12 | resiak | !es |
| 19:55.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:55.22 | smacnay | Pappa: that is what I was just about to ask. Thanks. |
| 19:56.34 | soften | okay, googling found a downloadable mysqlcc binary on mysql's web site. I grabbed the glibc23 version, untargz'd it, and added a symlink in /usr/bin. |
| 19:56.54 | greycat | soften: you should be using /usr/local/bin instead |
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| 19:57.13 | soften | greycat, thanks for letting me know. I've been just dumping them in /usr/bin |
| 19:57.18 | Pappa | yeh |
| 19:57.26 | Pappa | else apt might screw you over |
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| 19:57.46 | smacnay | Pappa: ah, update-mime is my friend. Now to set image viewing for both X and framebuffer with the test option. Thanks for the pointers. |
| 19:57.51 | greycat | debian will assume that anything in /usr/bin is its territory, and may delete it, overwrite it, etc. later on if some package wants that name. |
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| 19:58.21 | soften | greycat, that's a good thing. if dpkg wants to put an official debian mysqlcc there it'd tickle me pink. |
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| 19:58.48 | greycat | resiak: hah |
| 19:58.51 | smacnay | anyone have opinions on the relative robustness of w3m vs. elinks? I am looking at using a console browser/pager that can access most web content out there. |
| 19:58.58 | Qiang-work | can i do an upgrade on one package without going through 'apt-get upgrade' ? would "apt-get install pkg" do it ? |
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| 19:59.04 | resiak | Qiang-work: It would. |
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| 19:59.19 | Qiang-work | resiak: and it will take care the dependencies if there is |
| 19:59.25 | Qiang-work | resiak: and it will take care the dependencies if there is ? |
| 19:59.26 | resiak | Qiang-work: Of course. Are you using Sid? |
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| 19:59.39 | Qiang-work | resiak: hm. don't know. |
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| 19:59.43 | resiak | *fear* |
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| 20:00.25 | Qiang-work | resiak: any reference on Sid ? |
| 20:00.34 | resiak | Qiang-work: How did you install Debian? |
| 20:00.38 | soften | apt-get * -- upgrade upgrades everything it can; install upgrades only what you tell it to and dependencies |
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| 20:00.43 | grogoreo | hi |
| 20:00.47 | Qiang-work | resiak: through network |
| 20:00.57 | resiak | Qiang-work: With the Debian installer CD? |
| 20:01.09 | grogoreo | I'm running Ubuntu and I just wanted to know how I could have like a splash screen after grub, like Fedora has |
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| 20:01.11 | resiak | Qiang-work: Then you're running Sarge. Why would you want to only upgrade one package? |
| 20:01.13 | Qiang-work | resiak: oh, yeah. sorry :) |
| 20:01.15 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 20:01.15 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 20:01.20 | resiak | grogoreo: ^^ |
| 20:01.40 | grogoreo | ive been on #ubuntu |
| 20:01.41 | Pappa | grogoreo: yes you can. check out fbsplash |
| 20:01.46 | Qiang-work | resiak: there are a lot packages i don't use and i don't want to upgrade all of them. |
| 20:01.50 | resiak | !tell grogoreo -about bootsplash |
| 20:01.51 | grogoreo | Pappa, thanks! |
| 20:01.54 | resiak | Qiang-work: Then remove them! |
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| 20:02.51 | jepel_tailweaver | it's amazing how systems have a tendency to grow to fill available disk space |
| 20:02.56 | Pappa | grogoreo: however, i'm not sure if the prgressbar will work in ubuntu, but that's a minor issue. |
| 20:03.07 | resiak | /msg dpkg remove kde \o/ |
| 20:03.15 | Qiang-work | resiak: can't do that right now.. :-( |
| 20:03.19 | resiak | Qiang-work: Why not? |
| 20:04.17 | Qiang-work | resiak: maybe somewhere or someone else using those packages. plus going through one by one is too much pain. |
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| 20:04.39 | resiak | Qiang-work: If they're in use, they should be kept updated ... *trails off* Your computer, not mine. |
| 20:05.33 | soften | are there any problems to be expected with keeping sources for testing, unstable, and experimental in your sources.list? |
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| 20:05.44 | Qiang-work | resiak: personally, i tend to do upgrade if there is security update or big change in the software. |
| 20:05.46 | valdyn | soften: yes |
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| 20:06.11 | MobyTurbo | soften: pinning is always a risky business |
| 20:06.28 | soften | I just apt-get update and apt-get upgrade as usual |
| 20:06.43 | Qiang-work | resiak: oh, Sid is the unstable dist ? then i am running it |
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| 20:07.45 | MobyTurbo | soften: then if you don't have a special reason for the unstable and experimental repositories you should remove them. Especially experimental, that should be for only one package or so that you know works. |
| 20:07.51 | Gnea | anyone seen this device? 0000:04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.: Unknown device 4361 (rev 17) |
| 20:08.04 | resiak | Qiang-work: Okay. Then you're probably wise only upgrading individual packages. |
| 20:08.30 | dvs | Gnea: Try sk98lin |
| 20:08.31 | Gnea | tried the sk98lin module but no go |
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| 20:08.40 | Gnea | dvs: naw doesn't work (2.6.10) |
| 20:08.46 | Gnea | and 2.6.11 is a crap kernel |
| 20:08.46 | valdyn | thats a Yukon2 ? |
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| 20:09.01 | Gnea | i'm not sure *what* it is |
| 20:09.12 | valdyn | Gnea: so read the manual |
| 20:09.24 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:09.36 | Gnea | valdyn: you're funny - there is no manual (this is remote) |
| 20:09.37 | dvs | !ops One is spamming with pr0n |
| 20:09.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: One is spamming with pr0n |
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| 20:09.56 | oenek | Gnea: are you using the Debianized 2.6.11 kernel or the one from kernel.org? |
| 20:10.08 | valdyn | Gnea: theres enough hints in this line to find a manual online |
| 20:10.10 | Gnea | oenek: it doesn't boot - debianized |
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| 20:10.18 | Qiang-work | resiak: in particular, i am trying to upgrade to mysql-server 4.1. looks like apt-get install goes fine. |
| 20:10.21 | alindeman | dvs: I'm pretty sure One is no longer on the net |
| 20:10.34 | Gnea | valdyn: you honestly think i haven't looked already. you are a bigger fool than i thought. |
| 20:10.38 | oenek | Gnea: The Debianized kernel has a lot of firmware stuff cut out of it because it was deemed non-free |
| 20:10.44 | grogoreo | when you want to install somehting that requires the kernel to be recompiled, can a module not be used instead? |
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| 20:10.47 | Gnea | oenek: hrm... |
| 20:10.54 | dvs | alindeman: One just logged in again |
| 20:10.56 | oenek | I'd avoid it like the mad plague and use the kernel.org sources. |
| 20:10.57 | Gnea | oenek: thank i'll check that |
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| 20:11.03 | oenek | just roll your own. |
| 20:11.08 | Gnea | always do |
| 20:11.09 | Gnea | :) |
| 20:11.13 | resiak | Qiang-work: Good for you. |
| 20:11.17 | oenek | might be some of the new firmware stuff they cut out |
| 20:11.19 | alindeman | dvs: There is no nick 'One' on freenode |
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| 20:11.32 | Gnea | hrm |
| 20:11.34 | Niriven | Why compile your own kernel? It's been nearly 3 years since i've had to compile my own kernel |
| 20:11.38 | Gnea | dvs: seems to be following you |
| 20:11.40 | alindeman | Heh |
| 20:11.43 | alindeman | That One is a person |
| 20:11.52 | grogoreo | Niriven, to get a splash screen! |
| 20:11.56 | Gnea | Niriven: plenty of reasons. |
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| 20:12.18 | Gnea | what works good for one isn't gonna work for everyone |
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| 20:12.29 | Niriven | *shrug* |
| 20:12.30 | Gnea | if you can't realize that then you have no business running linux |
| 20:12.30 | dvs | alindeman: and the last One wasn't? |
| 20:12.33 | Gnea | :) |
| 20:12.56 | Niriven | I used to compile the kernel back in the 1.x and 2.2 days |
| 20:12.56 | Niriven | Never even had to bother recently |
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| 20:13.03 | oenek | Niriven: Because the debian kernel is a hollow shell |
| 20:13.11 | Gnea | so you spent years making the system work for you, good job |
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| 20:13.18 | Mage___ | a kernel must always be compiled. |
| 20:13.19 | MobyTurbo | I compiled 0.95, took my 386-16 all day. |
| 20:13.27 | stouset | Mage__: preferably, not by the end user. |
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| 20:13.41 | stouset | pluxorz: tell us what the problem is... |
| 20:13.43 | Niriven | Haha, i love peoples 'i'm going to try to be smart' comments about things. |
| 20:13.49 | resiak | pluxorz: That's not a halpful question. |
| 20:13.50 | pluxorz | when i boot the cd my screen becomes white grayish and nothing happens |
| 20:14.11 | Phated | resiak: How can you possibly halp him, then. ;) |
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| 20:14.35 | resiak | Phated: Perhaps I should withdraw your fluffles for pedantry like that :p |
| 20:14.41 | Gnea | Niriven: people don't change |
| 20:14.45 | MobyTurbo | I'm using a debianized kernel myself. Comments on LKML about 2.6 being an experimental branch to be made stable by distros discourage me from running vanilla sources. |
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| 20:14.58 | Mage___ | never I will install a kernel-image-xxx ... |
| 20:15.00 | Phated | resiak: But then you'd never be a perfect typist. And besides, you know you couldn't live without my fluffles. ;) |
| 20:15.01 | stouset | pluxorz: At what point? Do you get nothing at any point, or does it first let you choose some options for booting the installer, and *then* go to the white grayish screen? |
| 20:15.02 | pluxorz | i havent tried booting using any other method yet, but i was wondering what the difference between the bootmodes was |
| 20:15.11 | kingsley_ | pluxorz: Have you tried pressing ctl-alt-f1 to look at the console for diagnostic messages? |
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| 20:15.19 | pluxorz | i get the bootup select screen |
| 20:15.38 | pluxorz | and when i press enter my screen goes white grayish and nothing happens |
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| 20:15.47 | Gnea | MobyTurbo: so the weight of people's comments sways you one way or another rather than what actually does and doesn't work for you |
| 20:15.54 | resiak | Phated: Ah, you win *fluffle* |
| 20:15.56 | pluxorz | hmmz |
| 20:15.58 | valdyn | Gnea: took 3 minutes google to see that that device is not supported by 2.6.10 |
| 20:16.01 | pluxorz | not yet kingsly |
| 20:16.03 | Phated | resiak: *fluffle*, deary. |
| 20:16.03 | grogoreo | even though I have Kernel 2.6.10 would it b ok to use a kernel patch for a 2.6.0 or 2.6.3? |
| 20:16.10 | MobyTurbo | Gnea: the people who made the comments are the people who make the kernel. |
| 20:16.30 | stouset | pluxorz: Do an Alt+F2 and tell me what the last few lines are |
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| 20:16.36 | MobyTurbo | Gnea: LKML = Linux Kernel Mailing List, and the comments made were by core people, I forget who. |
| 20:16.45 | stouset | pluxorz: Or alternatively, tell me that Alt+F2 doesn't work :-) |
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| 20:17.09 | valdyn | Gnea: now there may be ways to get it to work still, but you can google yourself.. |
| 20:17.13 | toady | sorry to bother guys, is "Reads an idmef_impact from the @msg message, and stores it into @impact." a proper English sentence ? |
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| 20:17.23 | conreyt | I was helping someone install debian earlier today If you're on this list and still need help let me know |
| 20:17.26 | oenek | MobyTurbo: Well each to their own I suppose. I was told that most of the changes in the Debian kernel were due to license problems which wouldn't suprise me. |
| 20:17.34 | Kzim | hi |
| 20:17.45 | MobyTurbo | toady: add "This" to the beginning of that sentence. |
| 20:17.45 | Kzim | i have a bindshell anyone can help please |
| 20:17.46 | oenek | The debian kernel is great for the first boot an thats it *L* |
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| 20:17.51 | mxldr | why does debian include mplayer? |
| 20:17.58 | alex_joni | hello |
| 20:18.02 | MobyTurbo | oenek: yeah, I don't like that about the Debian sources, but that doesn't affect me. |
| 20:18.02 | resiak | !tell mxldr -about mplayer |
| 20:18.03 | stouset | mxldr: It doesn't... |
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| 20:18.05 | pluxorz | stouset when i press alt+f2 the screen goes to black and fades back to white on release |
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| 20:18.13 | greycat | !info mplayer sid |
| 20:18.17 | astronut | !katie |
| 20:18.17 | dpkg | well, katie is who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7 |
| 20:18.17 | greycat | 15:18 <-dpkg[~dpkg@dpkg.user] Package 'mplayer' does not exist. |
| 20:18.24 | astronut | !date |
| 20:18.24 | dpkg | The current date is Mon Mar 28 20:18:25 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 20:18.27 | alex_joni | I was wondering if smbdy could point me into the right direction to configure spamassassin |
| 20:18.31 | toady | MobyTurbo: this is a gtkdoc stuff, so I don't think this should be at the beginning :) |
| 20:18.32 | stouset | pluxorz: I see. Is this a LCD or laptop? |
| 20:18.34 | kingsley_ | grogoreo: Sometimes you'll get an error message while applying the patch that tells you matching code couldn't be found, but even if the patch seems to apply OK, there may be other incompatibilities, some of which may not be obvious, immediate or fixable. I suggest only applying patches for the same version unless the patch writer says it' |
| 20:18.36 | greycat | alex_joni: /j #spamassassin |
| 20:18.37 | toady | MobyTurbo: however, thank you very much |
| 20:18.40 | pluxorz | laptop |
| 20:18.44 | mxldr | !eternal sunday |
| 20:18.47 | alex_joni | greycat: thx |
| 20:18.48 | kingsley_ | grogoreo: ... says it's OK. |
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| 20:19.20 | mxldr | !exploit |
| 20:19.30 | mxldr | !mplayer |
| 20:19.30 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 20:19.30 | grogoreo | kingsley_, thank you, i htink i'll leave it until ubuntu does it |
| 20:19.36 | dondelelcaro | !eternal sunday is <reply> Eternal Sunday of The Clueless Mind. Yes, folks, due to popular demand, every day is now sunday. See sunday. |
| 20:19.37 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 20:19.54 | resiak | !permasunday |
| 20:19.54 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
| 20:19.55 | mxldr | !gentoo |
| 20:19.55 | dpkg | well, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 |
| 20:19.56 | greycat | dpkg, eternal sunday =~ s/See sunday/See <sunday>/ |
| 20:19.56 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:20.04 | resiak | !tell mxldr -about msgdpkg |
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| 20:20.47 | legis | Hi, anyones know what does "link#2" mean in the gateway colum when you do " netstat -rn " ? |
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| 20:21.12 | redduck666 | is there any tool (preferibly but not necessary coman line) that synchronizes my clock with some server that has accurate time. |
| 20:21.24 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 20:21.24 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers exactly, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 20:21.25 | MobyTurbo | redduck666: ntpdate |
| 20:21.27 | dondelelcaro | redduck666: ^^^ |
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| 20:21.56 | ARCh1V1st | please help!! Im freakin out... While copying data from an NTFS partition to another (working) XFS partition, I received an 'access denied' error after 4Gb was already copied, and the XFS drive was inaccessible |
| 20:22.18 | ARCh1V1st | now, after rebooting and trying to mount this XFS drive as root, i get this: 'mount: /dev/sdb: can't read superblock' |
| 20:22.27 | redduck666 | MobyTurbo, dondelelcaro thanks, checking it out |
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| 20:23.18 | stouset | redduck666: Alternatively, GNOME can help you do this if you set the time through the clock applet or the system tools. But it uses ntpdate on the backend, IIRC. |
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| 20:23.38 | redduck666 | stouset, not a gnome user |
| 20:23.40 | mxldr | whats the difference between ircII and bitchx? |
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| 20:23.55 | valdyn | ARCh1V1st: pretty vague: check if partition table and filesystem sizes and disk size fit |
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| 20:24.14 | genixxx | mxldr: use irssi-text |
| 20:24.27 | mxldr | what is irssi-text? |
| 20:24.28 | greycat | OK, just for the record: setting up sarge by the <two mice> factoid and then also changing each protocol from ImPS/2 to auto works quite well for me. |
| 20:24.41 | ARCh1V1st | thanks valdyn, should I use cfdisk for this? or is there a better command? |
| 20:24.41 | genixxx | mxldr: text based irc client |
| 20:24.48 | mxldr | is it better? |
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| 20:25.01 | genixxx | mxldr: you can run it in ssh, and it's better then bithcx |
| 20:25.07 | stouset | redduck666: thus, alternatively ;) |
| 20:25.13 | genixxx | mxldr: bitchx* |
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| 20:25.24 | mxldr | i've used bitchx in ssh |
| 20:25.25 | valdyn | ARCh1V1st: df and fdisk/cfdisk ( whichever you want ) |
| 20:25.56 | genixxx | mxldr: I use it right now, but it take a while to configure (im have used it in 3 hrs =) |
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| 20:26.02 | OrangeRoot1000 | i have a compaq 2100us model and netinst build 20041118 and get a error/hang on my system from boot up acpi:subsystem rev 20040326 acpi: irq: level trigger.... this only happens on the linux26 and expert linux26 boots and not the regular linux or expert boot options. i really would rather install the 2.6.x kernel than the 2.4.x and have to recompile |
| 20:26.05 | valdyn | ARCh1V1st: maby a filesystem specific tool too ( fsck.xfs or whatever, i dont know xfs ) |
| 20:26.06 | abrotman | mxldr: i think he's trying to say the average opinion of irssi-text is better than bitchx |
| 20:26.09 | OrangeRoot1000 | suggestions? |
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| 20:26.29 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: no acpi option? |
| 20:26.38 | genixxx | mxldr: they say that bitchx is a big security risk, I did'nt even find it via apt |
| 20:26.42 | ARCh1V1st | gotcha... Well the good news is df shows the proper size, fdisk/cfdisk dont seem to see /dev/sdb |
| 20:26.50 | C17H21NO4 | I am trying to install woody in a chroot, I ran debootstrap, now I am trying to run base-config, and it just terminates. |
| 20:26.55 | abrotman | genixxx: not a big one .. but it had a bad one a few weeks ago . got yanked from sarge |
| 20:26.59 | ARCh1V1st | crap, nevermind... |
| 20:27.02 | beeblebrox87 | i installed some experimental kde 3.4 packages and the fonts in all my gtk packages got much smaller |
| 20:27.09 | abrotman | don't do that |
| 20:27.09 | ARCh1V1st | drive doesnt show in df either.. |
| 20:27.10 | abrotman | jeez |
| 20:27.23 | beeblebrox87 | in the qt packages too but i could fix that in kcontrol, but how do i set font size for all gtk apps? |
| 20:27.24 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: ask #debian-kde or whoever made you those packages |
| 20:27.35 | valdyn | ARCh1V1st: sure wont show if nothing on it is mounted. |
| 20:27.40 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: /msg dpkg gtk font size ? |
| 20:27.43 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: is there somewhere in the install how i can setthe option... what would be the cli command ? |
| 20:28.02 | ARCh1V1st | gotcha... |
| 20:28.03 | genixxx | abrotman: well, it is a risk anyway, most people seems to stick with irssi-text anyway |
| 20:28.11 | genixxx | abrotman: what do you using? |
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| 20:28.24 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: i love irssi... great irc client |
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| 20:29.43 | circle- | Hey my current kernel is 2.4.18-bf2.4 an I need to upgrade it. How hard is that? |
| 20:29.53 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:30.10 | valdyn | circle-: which debian release are you running now? |
| 20:30.10 | abrotman | genixxx: i use either xchat(win32 or gtk) or irssi-text |
| 20:30.13 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: kk |
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| 20:30.24 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: or hit f1 when it starts |
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| 20:30.41 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: kk tyvm :) |
| 20:30.47 | circle- | 3.0 |
| 20:31.00 | valdyn | circle-: and to what do you want to upgrade? |
| 20:31.09 | mxldr | is irssi or bitchx or ircII better? |
| 20:31.16 | abrotman | mxldr: better for what? |
| 20:31.17 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:31.18 | mxldr | what is the best textbased irc lcient |
| 20:31.26 | mxldr | for chatting and using |
| 20:31.30 | dondelelcaro | mxldr: irssi-text, by most accounts. |
| 20:31.35 | abrotman | mxldr: there is no best .. most of us here prefer irssi-text |
| 20:31.37 | circle- | valdyn need 2.6.9 kernel |
| 20:31.43 | Kzim | please anyone can help about bindhsell |
| 20:31.48 | mxldr | why not bitchx? |
| 20:31.53 | jepel_tailweaver | why not telnet? |
| 20:31.55 | cafe_roy | mxldr: agreed - irssi - tried them all |
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| 20:32.02 | njan | jepel_tailweaver, what's wrong with netcat? :p |
| 20:32.05 | OrangeRoot1000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.12 | OrangeRoot1000 | bitchx is good too |
| 20:32.21 | valdyn | circle-: better if you didnt need a 2.6 kernel, but if you do anyway ( and dont want to upgrade to sarge ), /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 20:32.23 | mxldr | how is it better than bitchx |
| 20:32.30 | OrangeRoot1000 | best is determined by what u want an irc proggie to do |
| 20:32.36 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 20:32.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:32.40 | jepel_tailweaver | njan, I wrote a dinky little script that checks to see if a certain nick is online using netcat. I'm not partial to netcat or telnet |
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| 20:32.51 | mxldr | what is bithx good fo |
| 20:32.52 | dondelelcaro | mxldr: quite a large number of reasons... not the least of which is the fact that it doesn't crash randomly |
| 20:33.10 | mxldr | bitchx crashes randomly? |
| 20:33.14 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: what do you need help on |
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| 20:33.25 | mxldr | so what is bitchx good for? |
| 20:33.39 | valdyn | mxldr: bitchx has bad default things ( bad for us and bad for you once we bitch at you ) |
| 20:33.39 | dondelelcaro | mxldr: dunno, some people like it's moronic quit messages and trout features |
| 20:33.42 | circle- | valdyn Is it difficult to upgrade to sarge? |
| 20:33.48 | jepel_tailweaver | not having to type PRIVMSG #channel: before everything you say? |
| 20:33.50 | caphuso | mxldr: for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296535 |
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| 20:33.57 | quiet | anyone experienced flash-movies not playing in firefox? like.. the flash movie is recognized, but it doesn't play? |
| 20:34.03 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 20:34.10 | valdyn | circle-: imo no. /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 20:34.16 | C17H21NO4 | I am trying to install woody in a chroot, I ran debootstrap, now I am trying to run base-config, and it just terminates. |
| 20:34.18 | jogla | ehlo #debian |
| 20:34.41 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: i know it is done and used to do it myself but found it a hassle b/c sometimes i did not want to go to those channels when chatting and starting up the proggie |
| 20:34.43 | circle- | valdyn Thanks allot man |
| 20:34.49 | dondelelcaro | C17H21NO4: debootstrap should just run everything. After debootstrap stops, you've got woody installed. |
| 20:34.55 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: let me pull up the page though and i can try to wlak you through |
| 20:35.03 | dondelelcaro | C17H21NO4: then you can chroot into the chroot, and configure whatever you need configured manually |
| 20:35.09 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: it has been a while |
| 20:35.36 | C17H21NO4 | dondelelcaro: Don't I need to run base-config if I do not want it to run on next boot? |
| 20:36.28 | njan | jepel_tailweaver, :) |
| 20:36.28 | OrangeRoot1000 | ya |
| 20:36.31 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: yes |
| 20:36.40 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: i am pulling up the page for irssi |
| 20:36.47 | dondelelcaro | C17H21NO4: no |
| 20:36.57 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: it has been awhile since i set it up on my irc |
| 20:37.05 | jepel_tailweaver | I used to absolutely hate bitchx. Then I tried IRCing with telnet. Then I got an appreciation for bitchx |
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| 20:37.19 | genixxx | OrangeRoot1000: ok, I'm talking private here =) |
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| 20:37.29 | abrotman | genixxx: he's not :) |
| 20:37.41 | abrotman | but if you keep it in channel . more of us can help |
| 20:37.44 | dondelelcaro | C17H21NO4: if base-config does start, there's just an initscript to remove iirc. |
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| 20:38.55 | overflow | Hi, Im getting gecko errors with the last firefox upgrade on Sarge. |
| 20:38.58 | greycat | jepel_tailweaver: that's the most flattering thing you can say about it? "It's better than raw telnet(1)"? |
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| 20:39.26 | Duber | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.36 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 20:39.46 | DB_ | How might I best randomly reorder lines in a file? |
| 20:39.57 | jepel_tailweaver | greycat, I started out with the gui clients, then irssi. I don't have that much appreciation for scripting or any other fancy stuff |
| 20:39.57 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: freenode has debian on it so i believe you can use either one... freenode is already in the server list |
| 20:40.13 | greycat | DB_: eventually I want to put one of those in the #bash FAQ (but it's not back up yet) |
| 20:40.18 | jepel_tailweaver | greycat, and I would have tried it now, but I can't find it in debian testing |
| 20:40.21 | greycat | DB_: (and it doesn't have one at the moment anyway) |
| 20:40.23 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: then it is a matter of adding the channel to the server you want. |
| 20:40.26 | beeblebrox87 | abrotman: dpkg seems to only know about gtk1 fonts |
| 20:40.27 | genixxx | OrangeRoot1000: "/CHANNEL ADD -auto #debian freenode" |
| 20:40.38 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: moment |
| 20:40.50 | DB_ | greycat: k. So something must exist that's kinda the opposite of sort? |
| 20:40.54 | greycat | jepel_tailweaver: irssi > epic > ircii > swift_kick_in_the_nuts > bitchx > telnet |
| 20:41.00 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: that should be it |
| 20:41.09 | greycat | and I'm not even sure bitchx > telnet |
| 20:41.18 | abrotman | !tell beeblebrox87 about gtk2 font |
| 20:41.19 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: then do a /server list |
| 20:41.23 | jepel_tailweaver | greycat, I haven't used bitchx much, really |
| 20:41.35 | genixxx | OrangeRoot1000: ok. wait a sec |
| 20:41.35 | jepel_tailweaver | greycat, I got annoyed when I tried to PM someone and it didn't open a new window irssi style |
| 20:41.39 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: and it will show yout the variables for each server |
| 20:41.47 | jepel_tailweaver | greycat, an I coldn't figure out how to talk to the channel or PM |
| 20:41.57 | dondelelcaro | you may need to add a new server and/or chanet for freenode... but it's usually pretty trivial |
| 20:42.07 | DB_ | greycat: So, any suggestions on how to randomize my file? |
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| 20:42.11 | greycat | or you could just continue using /connect OPN like I do. |
| 20:42.16 | greycat | it's less typing anyway |
| 20:42.26 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: remember to do a /layout save afterwards or you will lose the 411 |
| 20:42.38 | myren | what's a good unit conversion program for linux? |
| 20:42.41 | dondelelcaro | myren: units |
| 20:42.44 | bnoji | What's a good Windows domain controller replacement? |
| 20:42.50 | dondelelcaro | bnoji: samba |
| 20:42.53 | bnoji | Can Samba handle auth stuff? |
| 20:42.55 | dondelelcaro | bnoji: yes. |
| 20:43.03 | greycat | bnoji: for more details, see #samba |
| 20:43.20 | beeblebrox87 | abrotman: that has no effect |
| 20:43.21 | dondelelcaro | !convert 1 c to kph |
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| 20:43.28 | myren | bnoji: you might need to investigate samba4 for adv. domain controller stuff |
| 20:43.28 | bnoji | I need a good VoIP solution too. |
| 20:43.31 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: did you try the gnome font chooser? |
| 20:43.41 | greycat | Good grief... exim4 goes off into space for a LONG-ass time on boot if it can't resolve/connect/godknowswhat due to network reconfiguration/disconnection. |
| 20:43.51 | oenek | dondelelcaro: Does samba handle Active Directory yet? |
| 20:43.51 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: another way is to directly edit your ./irssi config files ;) |
| 20:43.55 | beeblebrox87 | abrotman: what gnome font chooser? |
| 20:43.59 | bnoji | I have to connect our office in Shenzen to the one in Hong Kong to the one here in the US |
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| 20:43.59 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: i find that the easiesst |
| 20:44.02 | greycat | ah, finally done. That must have been at least 2 minutes. |
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| 20:44.04 | dondelelcaro | oenek: probably not, but you want to use LDAP anyway |
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| 20:44.14 | oenek | hmmm |
| 20:44.20 | abrotman | !tell beeblebrox87 about find bin/gnome-font sarge |
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| 20:44.24 | griddl | lo. what do I have to enable in kenre 2.4.29 to have usb mouse support in X? |
| 20:44.28 | genixxx | OrangeRoot1000: fine, it joins on start now |
| 20:44.32 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: that didn't work did it ? |
| 20:44.35 | OrangeRoot1000 | genixxx: cool. :) |
| 20:44.38 | overflow | So, no Firefox bugs reported? |
| 20:44.50 | valdyn | !usb mouse |
| 20:44.50 | dpkg | methinks usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 20:44.50 | abrotman | overflow: check the bts |
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| 20:44.56 | griddl | or: how can I determine, which mouse interface currently is ued |
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| 20:45.14 | OrangeRoot1000 | kk ty abrotman for the 411 i am going to go do it now |
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| 20:45.40 | beeblebrox87 | abrotman: none of those are gnome font choosers, and all depend on gnome, which is a lot to install just to set the gtk font |
| 20:45.42 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: i'm not truly certain that will work .. but there is an applet in gnome to let you choose your font |
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| 20:46.11 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: i'm going to recommend you wander over to #gnome on irc.gnome.org .. see if they can help some .. i'm not sure what kde did to your machine |
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| 20:47.32 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: sorry |
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| 20:48.47 | abrotman | erm .. where'd he go? |
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| 20:49.05 | greycat | @wb dpkg |
| 20:49.09 | ravenbird | Welcome back dpkg, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 20:49.17 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: try gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 20:49.24 | daaku | i know this isnt a debian question! i just got some more ram for my desktop, and its 333Mhz, whereas the existing chip is 400Mhz.. would the new one still work? |
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| 20:49.38 | mooded | hmm.. is there a flag for dpkg to install a package and perform package upgrade if its needed to fulfill the dependencies ? |
| 20:49.47 | mooded | man dpkg doesnt reveal anything |
| 20:49.57 | mooded | or im blind |
| 20:50.14 | MobyTurbo | mooded: use apt-get |
| 20:50.17 | beeblebrox87 | valdyn: thanks |
| 20:50.17 | abrotman | apt-get install package |
| 20:50.18 | beeblebrox87 | that worked |
| 20:50.19 | valdyn | daaku: as long as you dont run your 333 ram at 400 mhz, works usually |
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| 20:50.26 | abrotman | !beer valdyn |
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| 20:50.29 | mooded | apt-get works for filenames too ? |
| 20:50.31 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: that worked? |
| 20:50.39 | grogoreo | if I used alien to convert either an RPM or Tarball, would APT accept it? |
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| 20:50.46 | mooded | oops.. didnt know that... |
| 20:50.52 | greycat | grogoreo: no, but DPKG might. |
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| 20:50.57 | daaku | valdyn: nice. thanks! |
| 20:50.57 | beeblebrox87 | abrotman: yeah |
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| 20:51.17 | mooded | MobyTurbo: it doesnt.. |
| 20:51.17 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: okeedokee .. factoid updated for next time :) |
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| 20:51.46 | grogoreo | greycat, thanks. would you know, which would be better when converting, an RPM or tarball |
| 20:51.51 | valdyn | daaku: mind the "usually", its against the recommendations, but ive never seen it break |
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| 20:52.11 | greycat | grogoreo: neither. |
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| 20:52.25 | grogoreo | greycat, ok thank you again! |
| 20:52.28 | greycat | grogoreo: tell us what you're *really* trying to do. Don't tell us what half-baked solution you stumbled across. |
| 20:52.28 | deejoe | When configuring packages, I get an ncurses interface. I'd like to not get the ncurses interface, but to choose something else. To choose something else, I need to dpkg-reconfigure something, but what is that something? |
| 20:52.41 | caphuso | deejoe: debconf |
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| 20:52.49 | deejoe | caphuso: thank you! |
| 20:52.56 | grogoreo | greycat, I wanted to install fftv but only could find RPMs and Tarballs |
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| 20:53.34 | greycat | grogoreo: and is this thing a userspace program, or a kernel driver, or what? |
| 20:53.37 | valdyn | grogoreo: whats fftv? |
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| 20:54.16 | grogoreo | greycat, valdyn, fftv is a program to watch TV on linux (http://fftv.sourceforge.net/) |
| 20:54.34 | igraltist | has it an unoffizell php5 packet somewhere know something? |
| 20:54.35 | grogoreo | unless someone knows of a better program to watch TV on linux |
| 20:54.48 | valdyn | grogoreo: theres a ton of those in debian, why is fftv better? |
| 20:55.16 | valdyn | grogoreo: tvtime,xawtv,zapping and more, like a kde thing, that i dont recall atm |
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| 20:55.18 | grogoreo | valdyn, i was just on #ubuntu and somone suggested fftv |
| 20:55.21 | C17H21NO4 | base-config is exiting with: openpty failed. How can I fix this? |
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| 20:55.39 | daaku | valdyn: it worked fine! |
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| 20:55.58 | valdyn | daaku: cool |
| 20:56.07 | valdyn | grogoreo: any special needs? desktop integration? |
| 20:56.16 | mxldr | %r |
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| 20:56.47 | grogoreo | valdyn, to be honest I dont care about any special things, just that it works with my TV Card (which does come up on Device Manager on Ubuntu) |
| 20:56.52 | directhex | tvtime is nice, though a bit odd to learn at first |
| 20:56.55 | grogoreo | valdyn, I'm using Gnome |
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| 20:57.09 | grogoreo | directhex, thanks for the tip |
| 20:57.21 | hogballs | what is ndiswrapper |
| 20:57.31 | greycat | hogballs: evil non-free crap |
| 20:57.37 | directhex | ndiswrapper allows you to load windows nt 5 networking drivers onto i386 kernels |
| 20:57.45 | greycat | hogballs: lets you run binary-only win32 drivers in i386 Linux |
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| 20:58.01 | valdyn | grogoreo: yea tvtime is nicest imo, zapping is gtk2 and buggy, tvtime is "generic" |
| 20:58.04 | hogballs | great its a pay thing? |
| 20:58.09 | directhex | no |
| 20:58.18 | greycat | not as in payment of cash. |
| 20:58.26 | grogoreo | valdyn, ok, ill give tvtime a go |
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| 20:58.32 | greycat | maybe as in "You're gonna *pay* for that!" |
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| 20:58.46 | directhex | it's a nightmare to set up, only works on i386 (i.e. not amd64). you're better off using something supported in linux |
| 20:58.59 | hogballs | too late i already bought it |
| 20:58.59 | directhex | even better, something in-kernel, or with GPL'd drivers available from the manufacturer |
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| 20:59.01 | oenek | valdyn: Do you use Mythtv by anychance? |
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| 20:59.11 | directhex | well that was fucking stupid wasn't it |
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| 20:59.23 | hogballs | its a usb 802.11g adaptor |
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| 20:59.32 | directhex | broadcom. |
| 20:59.33 | valdyn | oenek: nah, i dont do more than watching tv, and that rarely only |
| 20:59.37 | abrotman | seems to be a streak |
| 20:59.37 | mxldr | .quit |
| 20:59.47 | hogballs | xn-2133g |
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| 20:59.57 | valdyn | oenek: mythtv is some kind of capture / recording tool i assume |
| 21:00.57 | oenek | valdyn: I've been looking for a way to integrate tvtime into mythtv |
| 21:00.57 | directhex | i don't give two shits what the model number is. it's gonna be a broadcom |
| 21:01.05 | directhex | oh ffs >_< |
| 21:01.06 | hogballs | lol |
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| 21:01.06 | hogballs | im going to reboot and see what it detects it as. |
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| 21:01.06 | pureone | who owns them bots? |
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| 21:01.06 | hogballs | i guess usb isnt plug and play in linux |
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| 21:01.08 | abrotman | pureone: different people .. why? |
| 21:01.11 | greycat | keep guessing. |
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| 21:01.14 | abrotman | hogballs: yes it is .. |
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| 21:01.31 | pureone | they all come from the same host and thats alot of bots |
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| 21:01.36 | oenek | *L* hogballs pulg and play with a few hours of configuration for odd stuff |
| 21:01.36 | hogballs | do i have to invoke the usb device to start detecting it? |
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| 21:01.50 | abrotman | pureone: those aren't bots . it was a netsplit |
| 21:01.50 | hogballs | jeesus christ |
| 21:01.51 | greycat | hogballs: man lsusb |
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| 21:02.06 | dambodog | does anyone know if there are any security problems with kernel version 2.4.29? |
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| 21:02.14 | quiet | is there a gui volume control I can use with fluxbox? |
| 21:02.16 | directhex | hogballs, you don't need to do anything special, assuming a basic Sarge install |
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| 21:02.19 | greycat | quiet: aumix |
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| 21:02.34 | greycat | quiet: see also '/msg dpkg for x' |
| 21:02.43 | hogballs | how in the hell is it showing 2 devices when i got only one port? |
| 21:02.44 | quiet | thanks greycat |
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| 21:03.09 | hogballs | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 21:03.09 | hogballs | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 07b8:a001 D-Link Corp. |
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| 21:03.20 | directhex | one of those is a usb root hub. |
| 21:03.28 | hogballs | oh ya |
| 21:03.30 | gurrag | I'm trying to install sarge on an old box with isa NE2000 ethernet card but the install program can't find it. I had the same problem with woody but then it worked when I installed everything from CD and then updated over the net. any idea how I can get it to work with netinstall? |
| 21:03.32 | valdyn | hogballs: guess what a device with bus 1 dev 1 id 000 is ? |
| 21:03.39 | hogballs | broadcom |
| 21:03.44 | greycat | gurrag: use the 2.4.x kernel and load the 'ne' driver. |
| 21:03.45 | hogballs | heh |
| 21:04.07 | hogballs | valdyn, the hub |
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| 21:04.26 | abrotman | i don't think dlink is broadcom .. but whatever |
| 21:04.33 | gurrag | greycat: I do "modprobe -v ne2 irq=10 io=0x300" but I get "No such device or address" |
| 21:04.35 | oenek | hogballs: I think you get an ID 0000:0000 with each USB port |
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| 21:04.44 | greycat | gurrag: what the hell is ne2? |
| 21:04.52 | abrotman | greycat: next in line after ne1 |
| 21:05.05 | gurrag | greycat: that's the ne2000-driver |
| 21:05.06 | dambodog | is there any problem using kernel 2.4.29 security issues anyone know of? |
| 21:05.11 | greycat | gurrag: is not. |
| 21:05.12 | abrotman | dambodog: why? |
| 21:05.16 | greycat | gurrag: it's 'ne' in my experience... |
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| 21:05.32 | valdyn | gurrag: isa and pseudo pnp is a fucking mess, you can try to google for your card specifically, some cards need isapnptools, some cards need you to _only_ specify a correct io |
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| 21:05.50 | greycat | gurrag: use the 2.4.x kernel. use kernel-space isapnp. modprobe ne WITH NO ARGUMENTS. |
| 21:05.55 | directhex | abrotman, as with all wireless hardware, the same model name may have up to four different chipsets behind it, with no discernible difference until you buy it & plug it in |
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| 21:06.37 | greycat | gurrag: if the card itself is NOT in isa pnp mode, then you will have to use the io=.... parameter |
| 21:06.38 | Darien | yeah, don't argue |
| 21:06.45 | abrotman | directhex: i realize that .. but i don't know of any dlink ones that use broadcom .. but not my crap .. i don't really care :) |
| 21:06.57 | greycat | gurrag: but you should not ever have to use any other parameters besides io= |
| 21:07.11 | Darien | with my old ISAPNP sound card, I had to 'cat /proc/isapnp' before the module would load |
| 21:07.16 | Darien | or 'touch /proc/isapnp' etc. |
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| 21:07.23 | hogballs | what should i do |
| 21:07.28 | greycat | Darien: which kernel? |
| 21:07.29 | directhex | abrotman, i've gone as far as tracking down israeli wireless hardware before to get GPL'd drivers, and that's something i'd not normally do |
| 21:07.39 | greycat | silly dmwaters. panicked has a k in it. |
| 21:07.39 | Darien | greycat: 2.4.x |
| 21:07.40 | directhex | hogballs, take it back, buy something with linux support. |
| 21:07.42 | greycat | Darien: odd. |
| 21:07.46 | Darien | yeah, very |
| 21:07.53 | Darien | it wouldn't work if I compiled it in |
| 21:08.02 | gurrag | greycat: it's just so strange. if I do full install from cd my network card works. it's just the damn install program that can't find it. |
| 21:08.03 | Darien | so I had to edit modconf or whatever to execute that before the module loaded |
| 21:08.05 | greycat | Darien: that does not surprise me |
| 21:08.14 | abrotman | directhex: you actually went to israel? .. did oyu find zap-w? |
| 21:08.25 | Darien | I guess the port of that driver was kind of a kludge anyway |
| 21:08.29 | greycat | gurrag: the boot kernel on the CD is different from the installed kernel on the drive? |
| 21:08.29 | Darien | it worked better in 2.2 than 2.4 |
| 21:08.33 | directhex | abrotman, nah, i found pc world (urgh) resold the kit |
| 21:08.34 | Darien | and I never gotit working in 2.6 |
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| 21:09.19 | gurrag | greycat: I just do standard installs. that's all I know. now I try to install over the net with the iso i downloaded from /topic |
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| 21:09.29 | greycat | gurrag: does sarge work? |
| 21:09.38 | abrotman | directhex: pcworld sells hardware in .uk ? |
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| 21:09.44 | hogballs | so dont even try and use ndiswrapper |
| 21:09.52 | greycat | ah, you probably do mean the sarge installer. good luck. |
| 21:09.55 | gurrag | greycat: before I had woody and then did dist-upgrade and everything worked. so I guess yes. |
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| 21:10.29 | gurrag | greycat: the woody netinstaller could not find the card either. |
| 21:10.42 | greycat | gurrag: time to bust out that DOS floppy, then. |
| 21:10.46 | directhex | abrotman, only high street hardware retailer. |
| 21:10.48 | hogballs | well im going down there to see what else he has in trade |
| 21:10.55 | abrotman | directhex: like the magazine though? |
| 21:10.57 | greycat | gurrag: (or have great globs of fun with pnpdump) |
| 21:11.06 | directhex | hogballs, depends whether you want it to "work", or actually support kit with Free drivers |
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| 21:11.16 | gurrag | greycat: I can always dowload sarge full version on cd and install from there. then it will work i think. |
| 21:11.21 | directhex | abrotman, no. high street store, part of the dixons stores group ltd |
| 21:11.27 | hogballs | im sure they dont have another brand of usb adaptor for wireless. he has lots of pcmcia |
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| 21:12.01 | raf256 | ++++++++++++ |
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| 21:12.12 | hogballs | ya well golly |
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| 21:12.30 | abrotman | directhex: oh ok |
| 21:12.33 | ralf | Ciao |
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| 21:13.23 | directhex | hogballs, also, ndiswrapper won't work on (for example) amd64/p4-64, so it's a dead end direction to go down |
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| 21:13.57 | miks | how can I check my ip address? |
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| 21:14.03 | greycat | and it fails to inflict economic pain on the evil companies who make non-free drivers (*cough* broadcom) |
| 21:14.08 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
| 21:14.08 | dvs | Oops! I got disconnected |
| 21:14.15 | miks | thank you |
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| 21:14.57 | miks | damn, something is wrong with my vsftpd.conf. I try to ftp in and I get connection closed by remote host. |
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| 21:15.35 | greycat | miks: could be hosts.deny too. |
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| 21:16.12 | miks | grey, I'm gonna look |
| 21:16.13 | dvs | Let me try that again. I'm trying to run courier-webadmin and when I try to access the config web page, http://localhost/cgi-bin/courierwebadmin, Mozilla says that I'm trying to download an octet stream and want to save it to disk. How do I correct the problem? |
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| 21:17.27 | greycat | dvs: do other cgi-bin programs in that same directory work properly? |
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| 21:18.08 | prahal | dvs: your web server send wrong header , you need to set it up correctly (the default >= sarge configuration works is it a hand made config ?) |
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| 21:18.24 | greycat | e.g. echo -e '#!/bin/sh\necho Content-type: text/plain\necho\nenv' >/usr/lib/cgi-bin/env; chmod +x /usr/lib/cgi-bin/env |
| 21:18.28 | deadcat | is there a mis-spelling on this image? http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/minislack-0.4-small.png |
| 21:18.31 | dvs | greycat: The cgi files in the /usr/lib/cgi-bin/apcupsd work but courierwebadmin itself is a file. |
| 21:18.31 | gregoire_ | salut |
| 21:18.41 | greycat | dvs: is it a *program*? |
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| 21:18.51 | greycat | dvs: what happens if you?run it> |
| 21:18.51 | greycat | bah. |
| 21:18.57 | dvs | greycat: -r-sr-xr-x 1 root bin 3568 Jan 26 17:31 courierwebadmin |
| 21:18.57 | dvs | ] |
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| 21:19.11 | greycat | EEWWW! setuid! |
| 21:19.12 | prahal | dvs: you have something like #!/bin/env perl at the top ? |
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| 21:19.50 | dvs | prahal: At the top of courierwebadmin? courierwebadmin looks like a binary file to me. |
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| 21:20.54 | dambodog | abrotman, becuase i have just succeeded finally to get my hardware raid to work with that kerenl (2.4.29) and i am thinking of deploying it on to lots of other machines that have the same hardware conf. - so i just wanted to know that it is a "solid" kernel and that there area no security issues with it till now |
| 21:21.00 | dvs | greycat: Hey! I never changed it. That's the way it was installed. (I guess debconf set some bad options) |
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| 21:22.01 | burd | where is the 8139too module at in the bf24 installation? |
| 21:22.01 | JakeX | hey guys, I can't seem to find any answer to how to 'resize' console (ie change it from 80x25 or whatever it is.. ) I've only been able to find console resize in relation to LILO but not how to do this under GRUB |
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| 21:22.20 | dvs | I've never messed with this cgi-bin stuff before |
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| 21:22.26 | JakeX | i can't seem to find any docs on this :( |
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| 21:22.39 | gregoire | quelqu un parle francais |
| 21:22.50 | dvs | !debian-fr |
| 21:22.50 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-fr is an association giving you some documentation: http://www.debian-fr.org/ |
| 21:22.51 | gregoire | ?? |
| 21:22.59 | streuner_ | !fr |
| 21:22.59 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 21:24.25 | Grumpy | hey, anyone here use musicbrainz? if so what debs do I need installed for it to work in linux? |
| 21:24.46 | JakeX | hmm so anyone know how to set console size to something other than default? ie I have a couple servers running without X so i just want more on the screen etc.. |
| 21:25.00 | njan | JakeX, framebuffer cosole |
| 21:25.04 | njan | s/cosole/console/ |
| 21:25.12 | Fa1 | is it possible to install a .deb package without internet connection and cd drive? i got the .deb file on my harddisk, but i cant get it to work with synapse because of some error stating packages.gz isnt found... |
| 21:25.41 | xam | Fa1: dpkg -i <package> |
| 21:25.44 | baz | Fa1: dpkg -i blablabla.deb |
| 21:25.47 | abrotman | dambodog: ask #kernel |
| 21:25.52 | JGHG2 | using sarge: what cfg files manages the sound? at boot something sets the mixer levels way up high which makes my mic cause terribly "rundgång" |
| 21:26.03 | grogoreo | Fal, have you done apt-get update ? |
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| 21:26.19 | valdyn | JGHG2: are you using oss sound or alsa? |
| 21:26.19 | JGHG2 | it destroys my ears :-( |
| 21:26.32 | Fa1 | cool baz |
| 21:26.39 | JGHG2 | valdyn: not sure here i have a pretty default sarge installation |
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| 21:26.42 | Fa1 | grogoreo no |
| 21:26.48 | Fa1 | ill try that, cya later |
| 21:27.04 | JakeX | njan, how do i go about that using the 'framebuffer' console? |
| 21:27.10 | bnoji | Any recommendations on small business firewalls? |
| 21:27.16 | njan | bnoji, ipcop |
| 21:27.20 | greycat | bnoji: a debian or openbsd box. |
| 21:27.22 | bnoji | I'm looking at the Checkpoint ones |
| 21:27.25 | xam | JGHG2: you mean a audio feedback loop? aumix could be the culprit |
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| 21:27.43 | greycat | bnoji: in all honesty, I'd recommend openbsd over debian for that particular task |
| 21:27.55 | JGHG2 | yeah audio feedback loop... so that's how you say it |
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| 21:27.58 | valdyn | JGHG2: theres a package that will save and restore you oss sound in startup /shutdown |
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| 21:28.21 | njan | bnoji, we've just had this argument in #security.. unless you *need* the functionality checkpoint/cisco/borderware are giving you over and above a box you built yourself, or you desperately need to blame problems on a vendor, it's a waste of money. |
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| 21:28.41 | njan | bnoji, if you have experience setting up a firewall yourself, do what greycat said, build something on open (or free) bsd - or a debian box with RSBAC.. |
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| 21:28.56 | valdyn | JGHG2: apt-get install oss-preserve |
| 21:28.57 | njan | bnoji, if not, www.ipcop.org - 25mb iso download and 15 minute install, and it'll run on a P100 and upwards. |
| 21:29.00 | gurrag | greycat: now I'm doing netinstall with woody instead. and it finds my ne2000 card. can I then just do dist-upgrade to get sarge? |
| 21:29.00 | JGHG2 | valdyn: aumix is the package? |
| 21:29.04 | r00t_ | Death To women's Rights |
| 21:29.04 | bnoji | njan: It's not really a problem setting it up... |
| 21:29.05 | r00t_ | Death To women's Rights |
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| 21:29.08 | JGHG2 | ok |
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| 21:29.14 | Fa1 | root: shutup |
| 21:29.16 | valdyn | JGHG2: no, oss-preserve |
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| 21:29.21 | greycat | that's mikeeusa again. |
| 21:29.24 | dvs | death to root! |
| 21:29.31 | Fa1 | 2 late :( |
| 21:29.31 | jepel_tailweaver | that's why we have sudo |
| 21:29.41 | dvs | jepel_tailweaver: ;-) |
| 21:29.41 | JakeX | Njan: what exactly do i do with the framebuffer console to change console size? I'm not using LILO if thats relevant |
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| 21:30.20 | bnoji | I just don't have the time to invest in setting up a BSD based firewall |
| 21:30.22 | njan | JakeX, if framebuffer is in your kernel, it's just an option you need to add to the kernel line in grub.. something like 'vga=0x031B', which will give you a console @ 1280x1024 |
| 21:30.23 | FieldySnuts | @lart my boss |
| 21:30.29 | njan | bnoji, what does your firewall need to accomplish? |
| 21:30.30 | greycat | heh |
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| 21:30.33 | FieldySnuts | heh ok |
| 21:30.41 | njan | bnoji, NAT gateway/dhcp/dns/maybesomecontentfiltering? |
| 21:30.44 | JGHG2 | valdyn: ok so where do I go from here |
| 21:30.44 | bnoji | njan: VPN for 2 sites, filtering, etc... |
| 21:30.49 | dvs | FieldySnuts: What did your PHB do? |
| 21:30.53 | JakeX | thanks Njan, actually just googled the solution as u replied... appreciate it m8 :) |
| 21:30.58 | bnoji | njan: VoIP too |
| 21:30.58 | JGHG2 | valdyn: im using this in vmware btw, dunno if that will make any difference |
| 21:31.04 | FieldySnuts | blew his back out trying to lift heavy stuff, instead of having me work a few extra hours. because it was over time. |
| 21:31.11 | FieldySnuts | bet he'd like to take that back |
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| 21:31.31 | dvs | FieldySnuts: HA! Cheap ass! That's what your boss gets. ;-) |
| 21:31.40 | njan | VoIP as a VoIP server, or VoIP as in VoIP is passing through it? |
| 21:31.42 | greycat | sometimes the universe is just. |
| 21:31.43 | FieldySnuts | pretty much. I mean I feel bad for the guy bug geez |
| 21:31.47 | jepel_tailweaver | nice natural LART |
| 21:31.47 | FieldySnuts | s/bug/but/ |
| 21:31.50 | valdyn | JGHG2: /usr/share/doc/oss-preserve i guess , i dont use oss myself |
| 21:31.53 | bnoji | passthrough |
| 21:31.54 | Vince34 | someone using firestarter ??, while p2p... |
| 21:32.00 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 21:32.00 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:32.04 | bnoji | njan: We have some special cases with the VoIP though. |
| 21:32.09 | dvs | FieldySnuts: I bet the doctor's bills would cost more than the overtime |
| 21:32.21 | njan | bnoji, ipcop should suit you fine.. if you're really into the whole BSD thing, look at m0n0wall, but ipcop is far better supported.. |
| 21:32.40 | njan | at the least, install ipcop, play with it for 10 minutes, and seeif you like it. If you don't, it's no loss. |
| 21:32.48 | JGHG2 | valdyn: ok does it matter what mixer I use? I couldnt find anyone installed so I got something called setmixer which does the job |
| 21:33.14 | bnoji | njan: I'm looking more for recommendations on commercial firewalls...hardware mainly |
| 21:33.30 | njan | bnoji, what are your reasons for wanting to buy a commercial firewall? |
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| 21:33.34 | paysages | lo |
| 21:33.49 | bnoji | I don't have time to build a box, secure it, configure the firewall and manage it. |
| 21:33.50 | valdyn | JGHG2: not really, though i wouldnt use a command line tool for this, but thats entirely up to you |
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| 21:33.57 | FieldySnuts | dvs: not really his fault, his boss said I can't have overtime anymore |
| 21:34.01 | bnoji | Especially the VPN |
| 21:34.01 | FieldySnuts | dvs: but still heh. |
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| 21:34.05 | Vince34 | greycat, were yu answerig to me ? |
| 21:34.25 | bnoji | njan: I have to fly to China to do this in Shenzen and Hong Kong as well...so I want it to take as little time as possible. |
| 21:34.27 | JGHG2 | valdyn: hmm ok Im not using x |
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| 21:34.37 | dvs | FieldySnuts: So your boss is off for a couple of days? |
| 21:34.39 | njan | bnoji, if you're buying a commercial firewall, you're buying something anyway.. and the configuration for VPNs with a commercial firewall will be identical to ipcop; I have VPN servers setup with ipcop and two other commercial firewall servers, and the time it takes me is about the same. |
| 21:34.43 | JGHG2 | thx for the help |
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| 21:35.10 | njan | bnoji, ipcop is a lot easier to configure than ISA Server, it's a fair bit easier than borderware, afaik it's easier than checkpoint, it's a lot easier than routing and remote access in windows 2k/2k3.. |
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| 21:35.14 | mejo | hi |
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| 21:35.25 | Oranges | hi |
| 21:35.35 | bnoji | njan: I'm familiar with checkpoint already though...I've been using it since 1999 |
| 21:35.36 | mejo | how can i set a host alias on my system without binding it to an ip address? |
| 21:35.38 | FieldySnuts | dvs: not sure, nobody really gave me official word heh |
| 21:35.38 | njan | bnoji, not that I'm an ipcop salesperson or anything, but I'm a firm advocate of using the best tools for the job, and there's no point paying for checkpoint when ipcop does the same job for free :P |
| 21:35.40 | dondelelcaro | !convert 1 c to kph |
| 21:35.42 | dpkg | 1 c is approximately 1.07925e+09 kph |
| 21:35.47 | FieldySnuts | dvs: i hope not, this place is a mad house, I can't run it myself |
| 21:35.51 | abrotman | mejo: you mean in DNS? |
| 21:36.00 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: square root of -1? |
| 21:36.02 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you using Windows? |
| 21:36.07 | bnoji | njan: I dont mind paying, especially if it takes the responsibility of support off my shoulders. |
| 21:36.13 | FieldySnuts | silence from the imaginary numbers crowd. |
| 21:36.15 | mejo | abrotman: yes, like /etc/hosts, but CNAME, not A |
| 21:36.16 | zbrown | ravenbird: square root of 1? |
| 21:36.16 | njan | bnoji, ipcop has paid support. So does smoothwall. |
| 21:36.18 | ravenbird | zbrown: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 21:36.20 | valdyn | JGHG2: rexima maybe |
| 21:36.20 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 21:36.23 | abrotman | mejo: like dns |
| 21:36.24 | zbrown | heh |
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| 21:36.32 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: 1+1? |
| 21:36.33 | ravenbird | hmm... 1+1 is really mostly pink |
| 21:36.36 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 21:36.37 | bnoji | njan: We'll see. |
| 21:36.39 | mejo | abrotman: in /etc/hosts? |
| 21:36.39 | FieldySnuts | riight. |
| 21:36.41 | zbrown | lol |
| 21:36.46 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: 2+2 |
| 21:36.47 | zbrown | ravenbird: 1+1 |
| 21:36.47 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, 2+2 is 5 for large values of 2, or 57, or slashdot math |
| 21:36.47 | ravenbird | 1+1 is, like, really mostly pink |
| 21:36.49 | njan | bnoji, imo free firewall + paid support contract >> expensive proprietary firewall + paid support contract which you can only get from *one* company |
| 21:36.51 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 21:36.52 | zbrown | lol |
| 21:36.58 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: 3+1? |
| 21:37.00 | ravenbird | no idea, FieldySnuts |
| 21:37.02 | FieldySnuts | heh ok |
| 21:37.03 | dondelelcaro | ravenbird: 3 + 1 |
| 21:37.05 | zbrown | dpkg: 1+1 |
| 21:37.05 | ravenbird | 4 |
| 21:37.05 | dpkg | i guess 1+1 is really mostly pink |
| 21:37.08 | FieldySnuts | ohh |
| 21:37.12 | njan | bnoji, I've had nothing but bad experiences with paid support contracts with the proprietary firewalls I've worked with before now. |
| 21:37.12 | zbrown | lol |
| 21:37.13 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: 1 + 1 |
| 21:37.14 | ravenbird | 2 |
| 21:37.17 | bnoji | njan: yeah. I mainly chose CheckPoint because I've been working with them for so long. |
| 21:37.18 | FieldySnuts | anyway done |
| 21:37.19 | zbrown | dpkg: 1 + 1 |
| 21:37.19 | dpkg | 2 |
| 21:37.26 | mejo | abrotman: how do you mean? |
| 21:37.28 | zbrown | dpkg: sqrt(-1) |
| 21:37.28 | dpkg | i |
| 21:37.31 | zbrown | w00t |
| 21:37.37 | njan | bnoji, sorry to keep saying the same thing again and again, but have you played with ipcop? |
| 21:37.38 | dondelelcaro | that's just a factoid, actually |
| 21:37.48 | abrotman | mejo: you want the machine to be known by another name? |
| 21:37.48 | dondelelcaro | dpkg; (-1)**0.5 |
| 21:37.48 | dpkg | nan |
| 21:37.51 | zbrown | dpkg: sqrt(-2) |
| 21:37.52 | dpkg | 0 + 1.41421i |
| 21:37.55 | bnoji | I did the subscription management system for one of their larger resellers...so I got stuff at cost + 10% |
| 21:38.00 | FieldySnuts | haah nan |
| 21:38.02 | FieldySnuts | nice |
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| 21:38.22 | bnoji | njan: I havent played with BSD in 2 years |
| 21:38.22 | mejo | abrotman: only locally. i want to set an alias for a long hostname that i use very often. |
| 21:38.31 | njan | bnoji, ipcop is a linux-based firewall package.. |
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| 21:38.40 | bnoji | Last I did was ipchains in 2000 |
| 21:38.41 | njan | bnoji, ~30mb iso file, and a 2-minute setup based in ncurses, and then it 'just works' |
| 21:38.45 | abrotman | why would you use a long host name :) |
| 21:38.52 | njan | bnoji, no prior knowledge of ipfw/ipchains/iptables required |
| 21:38.53 | abrotman | mejo: anyways .. put it in your hosts file |
| 21:39.00 | mejo | abrotman: the host has a long name. |
| 21:39.06 | bnoji | I've been using hardware ever since I had an issue with Comcast and Linux. |
| 21:39.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: that probably won't work |
| 21:39.19 | mejo | abrotman: i don't want a dns alias for my local host, but an alias for another host. |
| 21:39.41 | mejo | abrotman: the host has a dynamic ip and only a dns alias, therefore i cannot bind the alias to a ip. |
| 21:40.00 | daaku | valdyn: could the differing clock speeds cause random crashes? even if it works most of the time? (reg. the ram) |
| 21:40.09 | dondelelcaro | mejo: if you just want to connect to the machine using ssh or something, you can use /etc/hosts. If it's http, and vhosted, you need to use the real name |
| 21:40.11 | njan | bnoji, yeah.. historically I've been more inclined to go with hardware firewalls, but there's just so little difference, when vendors like borderware, checkpoint, and cisco are basically varying degrees of standard hardware with proprietary software slapped on top. In borderware's case, all they're really selling is freebsd with some ssh software. |
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| 21:40.32 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: should i feel mildly confused? |
| 21:40.39 | bimmerd00d | ok, im trying to find the Sarge netinstall image on debian.org, am i looking in the wrong place? |
| 21:40.44 | mejo | dondelelcaro: i know, but how do i set an alias for a dnsname in /etc/hosts? |
| 21:40.54 | FieldySnuts | man hosts |
| 21:40.57 | Vince34 | lol bimmerd00d , go to the site |
| 21:40.59 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I meant that it possibly wouldn't work... because you'll be sending out the wrong name in the HTTP/1.1 request |
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| 21:41.01 | dvs | !tell bimmerd00d about d-i |
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| 21:41.11 | valdyn | daaku: believing the manufacturers even using identically clocked ram of different brands could do that |
| 21:41.15 | mejo | dondelelcaro: again, the original hostname which i want to alias has no static ip! |
| 21:41.23 | dondelelcaro | mejo: doesn't matter. |
| 21:41.23 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think i missed that part |
| 21:41.25 | valdyn | daaku: I havent had problems though |
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| 21:41.39 | valdyn | daaku: now you could run memtest overnight or something to see |
| 21:41.45 | bimmerd00d | vince34: i've been there and it only points me to the Woody images, i tried looking for the sarge netinstall image, but the one i found was like 8mb |
| 21:41.45 | daaku | valdyn: hehe. alright, gonna let it run for a while and return it if it keeps crashing |
| 21:41.46 | mejo | dondelelcaro: so simply add 'original_hostname alias_name' to /etc/hosts? |
| 21:41.57 | valdyn | daaku: or let a kernel compile repeat for a long time |
| 21:41.59 | mejo | dondelelcaro: that isn't mentioned in hosts(5) |
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| 21:42.23 | dondelelcaro | mejo: no, you go current_ip hostname aliasname; |
| 21:42.27 | abrotman | mejo: don't forget the IP |
| 21:42.28 | valdyn | daaku: just "idleing" might not do anything, even if your ram is physically broken |
| 21:42.29 | daaku | valdyn: sound like a good test, make-kpkg in a loop! |
| 21:42.33 | dondelelcaro | mejo: then you write a cronjob to fix the ip occasionally |
| 21:42.35 | Vince34 | bimmerd00d, you have to look carefully , |
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| 21:42.47 | valdyn | daaku: yep |
| 21:42.47 | bimmerd00d | im at the page where you click Minimal Cd |
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| 21:42.49 | grogoreo | what is the command to create a new partition? |
| 21:42.58 | dondelelcaro | grogoreo: fdisk |
| 21:43.03 | Eclipser | cfdisk! |
| 21:43.09 | Eclipser | (without the ! :) |
| 21:43.10 | dexter__ | fdisk! |
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| 21:43.17 | dexter__ | fdisk > cfdisk |
| 21:43.18 | grogoreo | dondelelcaro, thanks, will that let me specify a swap partition? |
| 21:43.23 | bimmerd00d | i click it, and it takes me to where i can click on LordSutch.com's mini-iso image |
| 21:43.23 | Eclipser | cfdisk > fdisk |
| 21:43.30 | caphuso | sfdisk > * |
| 21:43.32 | bimmerd00d | that takes me to Woody images |
| 21:43.36 | DanC | hmm... I think I need some HAL clues... I can't figure out how to mount a USB flash disk |
| 21:43.37 | Eclipser | caphuso, dang |
| 21:43.42 | dondelelcaro | grogoreo: no. That just partitions your drive. If you want to format a partition, use mkfs.fsyouwanttomake |
| 21:43.48 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 21:43.52 | FieldySnuts | @hump hal |
| 21:43.54 | Eclipser | !start fdisk war |
| 21:43.59 | Vince34 | mmm strange bimmerd00d |
| 21:44.03 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: kill dbus |
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| 21:44.16 | grogoreo | dondelelcaro, but if theres free space can a swap partition be made? |
| 21:44.20 | Vince34 | bimmerd00d, sarge net-install = minimalcd ? |
| 21:44.26 | Vince34 | same page ? |
| 21:44.28 | dondelelcaro | grogoreo: unpartitioned space, sure. |
| 21:44.35 | DanC | in /var/logl/messages I see "Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0" and then again on sdb, sdc, and sdd |
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| 21:44.40 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, did you get your new kernel working? |
| 21:44.42 | bimmerd00d | it's not on that page |
| 21:44.44 | FieldySnuts | you could make a literal swap file, bu that's lame |
| 21:44.45 | dexter__ | debian was nicer than i thought |
| 21:44.48 | dexter__ | I like apt :) |
| 21:44.50 | bimmerd00d | no i didn't |
| 21:44.54 | Eclipser | :< |
| 21:44.55 | DanC | but fdisk -l /dev/sda shows nothing (likewise sdb, sdc, sdd) |
| 21:45.23 | bnoji | njan: is ipcop an installable iso, or a package to be installed? |
| 21:45.31 | mejo | dondelelcaro: so i need the ip? |
| 21:45.41 | njan | bnoji, an installable ispo |
| 21:45.41 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: im booting the old kernel right now, and going to attempt to fix it |
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| 21:45.44 | njan | bnoji, *iso |
| 21:45.51 | njan | bnoji, it's a linux distribution unto itself, really. |
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| 21:45.53 | bnoji | njan: What distro do they use as a base? |
| 21:46.02 | FieldySnuts | sheesh google is good. changed my site (a lot) yesterday, and their cache already has the changes |
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| 21:46.08 | njan | bnoji, it's a very, very, very chopped down LFS installation; they've switched to LFS from redhat in the last release |
| 21:46.10 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, good luck :< |
| 21:46.13 | dondelelcaro | mejo: unless you're going to use a real live DNS server, yes. |
| 21:46.14 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: just wish i knew what was wrong exactly. I was going to go back to sarge and have a go at it with that instead |
| 21:46.26 | njan | bnoji, there's absolutely nothing there that you don't need; no samba, no gcc, no unix utilities. No clear command :) |
| 21:46.32 | FieldySnuts | make the system pick up a damn static ip already |
| 21:46.38 | dondelelcaro | mejo: in which case you want a CNAME anyway |
| 21:46.54 | bnoji | njan: I'm going to give it a try in our main office. |
| 21:47.04 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, does your kernel have drivers for harddrives and is your lilo.conf valid? |
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| 21:47.29 | njan | bnoji, it'll just autopartition /dev/??a in the target machine and install itself; it'll get you to specify which interfaces are which (classically it has a red and a green interface, where red is internet, and green is local network behind NAT) |
| 21:47.34 | morbius | i run tightvncserver and connect fine but i see nothing? how do i run blackbox? |
| 21:47.40 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: it shouldn't need anything out of the ordinary for hard drives, just standard IDE. According to the guide i used, the lilo.conf looks exactly like it should |
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| 21:48.10 | njan | bnoji, it'll do an orange interface (DMZ) and a blue (wireless network) happily; it's quite specifically designed for home/office networks, but it's fairly flexible |
| 21:48.18 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, cat /etc/lilo.conf | grep boot= |
| 21:48.21 | Eclipser | what does it say |
| 21:48.50 | bimmerd00d | boot=/dev/hda |
| 21:49.01 | njan | bnoji, it ships with a web-based configuration page, and it has snort/openvpn/squid all easily configuratible. |
| 21:49.02 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 21:49.13 | bnoji | njan: The only issue I'm worried about is getting these things to our branch offices. |
| 21:49.32 | Eclipser | I don't know if udev/devfs affects what that should be... does your kernel have either of those? |
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| 21:49.40 | bnoji | I think I have to fly to China to install them. |
| 21:49.40 | luvwave | hello all |
| 21:49.45 | luvwave | Im new at this |
| 21:49.49 | luvwave | Linux things |
| 21:49.52 | njan | bnoji, well.. if you know what the IP addressing scheme is, set them up there and just ship the boxes down. As long as you've set the BIOS to ignore errors (ie. boot with no keyboard), all they need to do at that end is plug it in and turn it on |
| 21:49.55 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: no clue what those are |
| 21:50.05 | DanC | hmm... |
| 21:50.06 | DanC | libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/scsi_2_0_0_1 |
| 21:50.12 | njan | bnoji, try it with one.. if it doesn't work, fly out for the second. Potentially, you could save a crapload of money through no licensing and not having to fly out. |
| 21:50.20 | bnoji | njan: It would seem that easy...but these retards would manage to screw it up. |
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| 21:50.26 | njan | bnoji, :) |
| 21:50.32 | njan | bnoji, I know the feeling. |
| 21:50.42 | njan | bnoji, is this for remote branches or something? |
| 21:50.46 | luvwave | anyone can tell me why is it when I try to write something on linux he keep saying permission denied |
| 21:50.49 | bnoji | njan: I worked with their engineers developing active cooling systems for Mazda cars... |
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| 21:51.07 | DanC | gnome-volume-manager: |
| 21:51.07 | DanC | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.07 | DanC | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.08 | bnoji | The best response I could get from them was usually "Yes, yes, I am sure." |
| 21:51.12 | njan | bnoji, lol |
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| 21:51.27 | luvwave | anyone can tell me why is it when I try to write something on linux he keep saying permission denied???Im using Debian |
| 21:51.40 | bnoji | or, "Goodbye friend. Have a pleasure day." |
| 21:51.51 | njan | bnoji, at least all of the retards I deal with are English or American :) |
| 21:51.54 | giansalvo | luvwave: for example? |
| 21:51.55 | valdyn | luvwave: what are you trying to write where? |
| 21:51.55 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: any ideas? |
| 21:51.59 | bnoji | luvwave: permissions? |
| 21:52.01 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, just a second |
| 21:52.05 | bimmerd00d | k |
| 21:52.16 | luvwave | like a run file |
| 21:52.21 | luvwave | *.run |
| 21:52.23 | luvwave | like this |
| 21:52.33 | luvwave | ./*,run |
| 21:52.36 | simonrvn | even bette, a stop file. they usually work better |
| 21:52.37 | luvwave | sorry |
| 21:52.41 | luvwave | ./*.run |
| 21:52.56 | abrotman | can oyu execute a wildcard? |
| 21:52.58 | dondelelcaro | you need a 0.9.7+0.0.jeez.this.really.sucks.alpha.6 |
| 21:52.58 | bnoji | njan: I starting prank calling a whole bunch of Chinese cell numbers because I got so sick of them. |
| 21:53.02 | valdyn | luvwave: is that a game installer? |
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| 21:53.08 | giansalvo | luvwave: what do you want to do? |
| 21:53.15 | lord_rob | luvwave: you cannot execute a file which has no execution permission |
| 21:53.42 | adexta | hey guys |
| 21:53.49 | adexta | i'm trying to get my soundcard detected |
| 21:53.53 | luvwave | I wanto to install at this moment the drivers which I 've downloaded from nvidia site for Linux plattfrom |
| 21:53.53 | adexta | lspci doesn't list it |
| 21:53.59 | adexta | alsaconf doesn't find it |
| 21:54.02 | mwilson | "Detected" by what? |
| 21:54.07 | valdyn | luvwave: now thats a good thing that you failed to do this |
| 21:54.08 | adexta | by debian |
| 21:54.14 | mwilson | Is it a PCI device? |
| 21:54.16 | bnoji | njan: ipcop can handle public IPs on the DMZ, right? |
| 21:54.16 | valdyn | !tell luvwave about nvidia drivers |
| 21:54.25 | adexta | it's integrated into my mobo |
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| 21:54.31 | dvs | mwilson: It's on the motherboard |
| 21:54.33 | mwilson | That isn't an answer to my question. |
| 21:54.34 | njan | bnoji, should be able to. |
| 21:54.37 | giansalvo | luvwave: read the README and INSTALL files |
| 21:54.52 | adexta | mwilson: i don't rightly know |
| 21:54.52 | dvs | mwilson: It's integrated into the motherboard |
| 21:55.00 | Rawplayer | how can you grep again with higher cases and lower cases? |
| 21:55.03 | mwilson | dvs: Yes, you keep saying that. |
| 21:55.04 | adexta | my brother says "it should be" |
| 21:55.07 | valdyn | luvwave: chmod +x file.run would make this executable, "sh file.run" would run it too, but installing nvidia drivers that way is a bad idea |
| 21:55.18 | dvs | adexta: Wait a minute. You said it was integrated into the motherboard before. |
| 21:55.20 | mwilson | adexta: And is it enabled in the BIOS? |
| 21:55.22 | morbius | im getting this error whenever i try and create a tightvnserver display -> xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "nobuild:2" in "add" command |
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| 21:55.54 | thorie | how do i add a user to a group? |
| 21:55.56 | hogballs | valdyn, im at the computer store now... i was talkin earlier to you all about getting a wireless nic that is usb for debian. which one should i get? |
| 21:55.57 | mwilson | dvs: Whether or not it's integrated into the motherboard has little to do with whether it's PCI or not. |
| 21:56.04 | hogballs | he has to order them btw |
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| 21:56.16 | adexta | yes? |
| 21:56.18 | mwilson | adexta: Well? |
| 21:56.23 | dvs | mwilson: It doesn't show up in lspci |
| 21:56.23 | giansalvo | is there a apt command to show al files of a package (something like dpkg -c)? |
| 21:56.33 | Nach | Can someone tell me why when I pass GCC -O3, it defines BIG_ENDIAN when I'm on an x86 PC? |
| 21:56.46 | mwilson | adexta: Ixs it, or isn't it? |
| 21:56.46 | valdyn | hogballs: no that wasnt me, im not qualified to recommend a wireless chipset either |
| 21:56.46 | adexta | it was detected with my suse install |
| 21:56.46 | hogballs | ok sorry valdyn |
| 21:56.47 | mwilson | Nach: It doesn't. |
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| 21:56.53 | adexta | so i've downloaded a live SUSE iso |
| 21:56.53 | Nach | mwilson, I tested it, it does |
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| 21:56.56 | adexta | and want to boot into that |
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| 21:57.00 | mwilson | File a bug, then. |
| 21:57.03 | hogballs | anyone in here got a wireless usb adaptor to recommend for debian? |
| 21:57.06 | Nach | mwilson, with who? |
| 21:57.13 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 21:57.17 | adexta | and see if it works |
| 21:57.24 | mwilson | Forget I said anything at all. |
| 21:57.27 | Darien | 'with whom' |
| 21:57.29 | adexta | and then find out what it detected |
| 21:57.30 | Nach | mwilson, what's the name of the bug filing program? |
| 21:57.36 | kromagg | reportbug |
| 21:57.40 | Nach | thanks |
| 21:57.51 | luvwave | anyone one can say to mee why I have permssion denied |
| 21:57.59 | luvwave | when I try to do anything |
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| 21:58.00 | Darien | wtf |
| 21:58.01 | adexta | luvwave: by what? |
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| 21:58.10 | bnoji | njan: Ever have any issues with ipcop? |
| 21:58.14 | Darien | luvwave: anything as in...? open a door? make a pizza? |
| 21:58.18 | mwilson | luvwave: Yes, you were told. You ignored it. Have a nice day. |
| 21:58.23 | luvwave | lik ewhen I try to install somethinf on debian |
| 21:58.24 | bnoji | I used to have issues with certain kernels when left running for 120+ days... |
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| 21:58.29 | bnoji | Usually VFS errors. |
| 21:58.32 | Darien | luvwave: are you root? |
| 21:58.34 | adexta | luvwave: as root? |
| 21:58.38 | hogballs | anyone in here got a wireless usb adaptor to recommend for debian? |
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| 21:58.45 | luvwave | how can I log into root |
| 21:58.47 | bnoji | hogballs: Netgear MA111 |
| 21:58.55 | adexta | su |
| 21:58.59 | luvwave | i use gnome interface |
| 21:59.03 | adexta | [root password] |
| 21:59.04 | luvwave | lol |
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| 21:59.06 | bnoji | I've been using it with wlan-ng for a while now |
| 21:59.07 | luvwave | ok |
| 21:59.12 | Darien | luvwave: what are you trying to install? |
| 21:59.14 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, cat /path/to/your/kernel/sources/.config | grep DEVFS |
| 21:59.17 | adexta | # apt-get install blah blah blah |
| 21:59.17 | njan | bnoji, I've had ipcop machines running for a very, very long time before now. I know several people who're still running some of the initial ipcop releases |
| 21:59.33 | Nach | What package should I say my bug is accosiated with? |
| 21:59.36 | luvwave | Nvidia-***.run |
| 21:59.38 | Darien | Nach: that depends on your problem |
| 21:59.43 | bnoji | njan: Ok. I used to have problems in 2.2 and some in 2.4 when I left it running for extended periods |
| 21:59.50 | njan | bnoji, I think the most I've ever managed to keep an ipcop machine running for was 6 months; and I moved it because I was moving house. |
| 21:59.56 | Nach | Darien, it's a problem with GCC compiling |
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| 22:00.10 | Darien | Nach: a gcc problem or a program problem? |
| 22:00.11 | Nach | Darien, but I don't know if that's a GCC problem or something it depends upon |
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| 22:00.23 | bnoji | njan: any idea on min system requirements? I'm thinking about a P3 550, 512MB RAM, 20GB HDD |
| 22:00.24 | Nach | Darien, it's a problem I see when I run GCC on a C file |
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| 22:00.28 | Fscker | :( |
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| 22:00.32 | Chass | with a recent update, testing broke callgrind: callgrind |
| 22:00.32 | Darien | Nach: maybe #gcc if it exists, or something like that, can tell you more about what the problem is |
| 22:00.32 | Chass | Can't open tool "callgrind": /usr/lib/valgrind/vgskin_callgrind.so: undefined symbol: vgPlain_register_compact_helper |
| 22:00.32 | Chass | valgrind: couldn't load tool |
| 22:00.32 | Chass | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.35 | Darien | does it work on other distros? |
| 22:00.38 | shingouz | luvwave: read the nvidia factoid i just sent you |
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| 22:00.44 | adexta | where can i check what my sound card is? i'm going to boot into a live CD of suse and want to find out so i can make it work on my debian install |
| 22:00.45 | Fscker | i have a .bin.gz file... how do i extract that? |
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| 22:00.51 | Chass | 3 lines is a flood? |
| 22:00.51 | Nach | Darien, I just said what the problem was a minute ago :P |
| 22:00.54 | caphuso | Fscker: gunzip |
| 22:00.58 | dvs | adexta: That's your best bet |
| 22:01.00 | Chass | anyways, any quick ideas? |
| 22:01.06 | adexta | Fscker: gunzip file.bin.gz |
| 22:01.10 | Nach | Darien, when I pass GCC -O3, it defines BIG_ENDIAN when I'm on an x86 PC |
| 22:01.25 | Darien | Nach: does it happen on other distros? |
| 22:01.30 | cafuego | Nach: 'GCC' is not an application. |
| 22:01.40 | adexta | 'gcc' is |
| 22:01.41 | Darien | maybe you mean 'gcc' |
| 22:01.41 | Nach | Darien, I only use Debian as a Linux distro |
| 22:01.50 | Nach | Darien, I could test it on DOS or Windows... |
| 22:01.50 | cafuego | Nach: Which gcc version? |
| 22:01.51 | ralf | Hola |
| 22:01.55 | Darien | Nach: ok, is it code I can try compiling? |
| 22:01.58 | Fscker | adexta: and what do i do with the .bin |
| 22:02.05 | Nach | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12) |
| 22:02.09 | Nach | Darien, sure |
| 22:02.19 | cafuego | Nach: Is there a reason it shouldn't be defin ing BIG_ENDIAN/ |
| 22:02.33 | Darien | x86 was little endian, last I checked.... |
| 22:02.36 | Darien | ne? |
| 22:02.45 | cafuego | Darien: Did you check the Makefile? |
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| 22:02.54 | Darien | cafuego: what makefile? I'm not compiling anything... |
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| 22:03.08 | Darien | well I am, but nothing I asked for help with here |
| 22:03.09 | quiet | do i need to enable skins for xmms?? never had to before.. but i downloaded a few, and they're not working.. (when I select the skin from the skin browser list, it doesn't change) |
| 22:03.19 | Darien | quiet: maybe it's an invalid skin |
| 22:03.26 | cafuego | Darien: Why are you running gcc if you're not compiling anything? |
| 22:03.27 | bnoji | njan: Do you know of any large organizations using ipcop? |
| 22:03.35 | cafuego | !@&$^78 |
| 22:03.37 | Darien | cafuego: I'm not |
| 22:03.38 | Darien | :D |
| 22:03.39 | bnoji | I just wanted to see a few examples. |
| 22:03.43 | cafuego | Nach: Did you check the Makefile? |
| 22:03.48 | Eclipser | quiet, did you unpack it? |
| 22:03.55 | quiet | Darien, i have used all 3 in other versions... |
| 22:04.04 | Nach | cafuego, there is no make file |
| 22:04.04 | quiet | no.. they are .wsz (WinAmp) skins |
| 22:04.10 | quiet | no need to unpack |
| 22:04.11 | Darien | quiet: dunno then, maybe you do not have zipfile support enabled in this install? |
| 22:04.18 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: car /usr/src/linux-2.6.11.6/.config | grep DEVFS |
| 22:04.18 | Ronin | bnoji: try asking in #ipcop or thier webforum |
| 22:04.26 | quiet | Darien, apt-get install zip? |
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| 22:04.45 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, cat, not car :) |
| 22:04.46 | Darien | quiet: no idea, check what packages xmms recommends |
| 22:04.49 | bimmerd00d | eclipser: CONFIG_DEVFS_FS is not set |
| 22:04.51 | bimmerd00d | HAHAHA |
| 22:04.51 | Eclipser | ok |
| 22:05.00 | bimmerd00d | i did cat on teh other machine though |
| 22:05.05 | Fscker | adexta: ? |
| 22:05.06 | Darien | quiet: it suggests the package 'unzip' |
| 22:05.11 | Darien | quiet: try installing that and see if it works |
| 22:05.15 | Eclipser | quiet, what is the extension of that skin? |
| 22:05.27 | Eclipser | quiet, http://www.xmms.org/faq.php#Skins1 |
| 22:05.59 | Eclipser | quiet, try running xmms from terminal emulator to see if it outputs any error messages when loading the skin |
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| 22:06.13 | quiet | will do.. thanks |
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| 22:06.36 | luvwave | hello alli tried to perform something as su and it gaves me permission denied |
| 22:06.36 | maw_ | i just updated some gnome stuff, but now the icons and stuff are gone |
| 22:06.50 | quiet | libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 22:06.50 | quiet | ?? |
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| 22:07.09 | cafuego | luvwave: 'su' is not a user account. |
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| 22:07.24 | luvwave | i know |
| 22:07.30 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, I'm running out of ideas for now :< |
| 22:07.36 | cafuego | So you can't run commands 'as su'. |
| 22:07.40 | luvwave | in console i put in prompt |
| 22:07.44 | luvwave | su and password |
| 22:07.47 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, cat /etc/lilo.conf | grep root= |
| 22:07.53 | cafuego | So you tried running it as root. |
| 22:07.58 | luvwave | yes |
| 22:08.11 | luvwave | and the permission denied still goes on |
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| 22:08.32 | cafuego | luvwave: There's probably a good reason for it. |
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| 22:08.48 | luvwave | i believ eso |
| 22:08.48 | quiet | Eclipser, thanks... unzip seems to have worked |
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| 22:09.01 | luvwave | but I am really green in this kind of material i was a windowsdependent |
| 22:09.02 | luvwave | lol |
| 22:09.04 | luvwave | since ever |
| 22:09.05 | Fscker | ok what the hell do i do with a .bin file? |
| 22:09.14 | maw_ | anyone? |
| 22:09.14 | keir | what presentation software does eveyone use? ie, powerpoint equivalent. ooimpress seems unable to set custom background images. |
| 22:09.23 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: root=/dev/hda3 |
| 22:09.25 | luvwave | and now im trying other new stuff |
| 22:09.25 | caphuso | Fscker: first step: find out what kind of file it is |
| 22:09.26 | maw_ | my gnome is ruined |
| 22:09.29 | luvwave | like linux |
| 22:09.30 | luvwave | lol |
| 22:09.32 | caphuso | Fscker: using file(1), for example |
| 22:09.56 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, ok, I think we're getting somewhere |
| 22:09.57 | giansalvo | how to print the list of files belonging to a given installed package? |
| 22:10.03 | caphuso | giansalvo: dpkg -L foo |
| 22:10.22 | Fscker | caphuso: sqlite3-3.1.6.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 22:10.28 | Edzilla | hello everybody |
| 22:10.30 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, have you booted to your working kernel now? (obviously yes?-p) |
| 22:10.34 | maw_ | how do i downgrade my gnome? |
| 22:10.35 | Fscker | caphuso: i can guess step 2 |
| 22:10.40 | Edzilla | I want to install ndiswrapper |
| 22:10.43 | resiak | maw_: Downgrade? |
| 22:10.43 | luvwave | actually my mouse stopped workin |
| 22:10.45 | luvwave | lol |
| 22:10.54 | Edzilla | and I need the kernel sources |
| 22:11.01 | cafuego | Fscker: Step two is to obtain a debian package for sqlite and install that instead of your .bin |
| 22:11.16 | resiak | !info sqlite |
| 22:11.17 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: sadly no lol....like i said i'm new to all this. What do i need to change |
| 22:11.19 | Edzilla | do you know how I can get them? |
| 22:11.22 | dpkg | sqlite: (command line interface for SQLite), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.8.16-1 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
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| 22:11.32 | maw_ | resiak, after doing apt-get upgrade, My gnome was ruined |
| 22:11.46 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, ummh ok, you can access the files on that computer though? |
| 22:11.47 | giansalvo | caphuso: thanks |
| 22:11.50 | directhex | Edzilla, are you SURE you want ndiswrapper? |
| 22:11.51 | drac | Edzilla: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 22:11.51 | resiak | maw_: Define ruined. Are you on Sid/unstable? |
| 22:11.53 | maw_ | the gtk buttons are not changing skin |
| 22:12.01 | maw_ | resiak, yes |
| 22:12.01 | drac | Edzilla: That's all you need. |
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| 22:12.09 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: yes, i booted to the old kernel |
| 22:12.14 | resiak | maw_: You should know how to deal with broken packages then. |
| 22:12.15 | Fscker | sorry guys i regulary use deb |
| 22:12.18 | Edzilla | directhex: yes, wifi is my only way to get internet |
| 22:12.24 | Fscker | but this is someone elses box :P |
| 22:12.24 | maw_ | resiak, its not broken |
| 22:12.25 | Fscker | bye |
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| 22:12.39 | resiak | maw_: But it's broken, right? |
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| 22:12.41 | Edzilla | drac: can't have internet yet on the debian |
| 22:12.44 | maw_ | but GTK aint changing skin |
| 22:12.54 | resiak | maw_: So GTK's skin-changing is broken. |
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| 22:12.57 | resiak | !btssmite maw_ #] |
| 22:12.59 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, ok, what does `cat /etc/fstab | grep /dev/hda3` say |
| 22:13.01 | directhex | Edzilla, 32bit 386-compatible cpu? |
| 22:13.06 | maw_ | resiak, yeah |
| 22:13.14 | Edzilla | amd64 cpu |
| 22:13.18 | resiak | maw_: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 22:13.25 | maw_ | no |
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| 22:13.30 | directhex | Edzilla, good for you. you can't use ndiswrapper on a 64 bit kernel |
| 22:13.40 | chealer | resiak: only twice? |
| 22:13.46 | cafuego | directhex: Actually, you can. |
| 22:13.47 | resiak | maw_: Why the f**k not? You're on Unstable, that's the first thing that you should do. |
| 22:13.49 | Edzilla | yes, but I installed a 32 bits kernel |
| 22:13.56 | resiak | chealer: Good point. |
| 22:14.01 | directhex | cafuego, you can? urgh. it gets dirtier & dirtier |
| 22:14.03 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: /dev/hda3 / ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 22:14.10 | cafuego | directhex: The trick is to use it with a 64 bit windows driver, when on 64bit Linux. |
| 22:14.15 | Eclipser | nngh |
| 22:14.25 | rm-Rf | does someone tried using xserver-fbdev |
| 22:14.27 | directhex | cafuego, xp64 drivers? does anyone MAKE those yet? |
| 22:14.34 | cafuego | directhex: Mind, that is hearsay. I would never INFECT my box with nsiswrapper. |
| 22:14.35 | resiak | !cmd: btssmite (.*?) =~ s/twice as hard/along with a chainsaw/ |
| 22:14.35 | Eclipser | and it panics because it can't mount root filesystem? |
| 22:14.48 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, did you compile support for ext2? |
| 22:14.48 | cafuego | directhex: Yes, I found some 64bit nforce drivers the other day |
| 22:14.51 | directhex | Edzilla, what does uname -r say? |
| 22:14.56 | resiak | dpkg: cmd: btssmite (.*?) =~ s/twice as hard/along with a chainsaw/ |
| 22:14.56 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 22:15.12 | Edzilla | 2,4,18-bf2,4 |
| 22:15.12 | directhex | cafuego, nvidia like 64bit. i meant shovelware hardware manus like broadcom |
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| 22:15.41 | Fiddy_Cent | GENTOO 2005.0 OUT NOW: GET IT WHILE ITS HOT GENTOO 2005.0 OUT NOW: GET IT WHILE ITS HOT GENTOO 2005.0 OUT NOW: GET IT WHILE ITS HOT GENTOO 2005.0 OUT NOW: GET IT WHILE ITS HOT |
| 22:15.43 | Fiddy_Cent | GENTOO 2005.0 OUT NOW: GET IT WHILE ITS HOT GENTOO 2005.0 OUT NOW: GET IT WHILE ITS HOT GENTOO 2005.0 OUT NOW: GET IT WHILE ITS HOT |
| 22:15.48 | cafuego | directhex: Honestly, people should SUFFER crap performance if they can't be arsed researching before byuying and end up with broadcom. |
| 22:15.53 | calin | ... |
| 22:15.55 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, cat /usr/src/linux-2.6.11.6/.config | grep EXT2_FS= |
| 22:16.00 | cafuego | !ops Fiddy_Cent: Gentoo spam |
| 22:16.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Fiddy_Cent: Gentoo spam |
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| 22:16.16 | narg | Is it possible to set up sshd so that someone can forward x/htpp ports when using putty? (al la avoiding firewall/filter: p) |
| 22:16.18 | faw | hahahaha |
| 22:16.22 | toresbe | yay gentoo. |
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| 22:16.52 | vanston | hi, I have installed the latest sarge and see that the fixed font is missing |
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| 22:16.59 | resiak | toresbe: A friend of mine has been on at me to try Gentoo. I considered it for about 5 minutes, then realised that I felt unclean even just doing that. |
| 22:17.01 | cafuego | Edzilla: What piece of hardware do you want to use ndiswrapper for? |
| 22:17.02 | directhex | oh dear jesus fuck. woody. boot floppies. amd64 |
| 22:17.12 | Edzilla | an asus wifi card |
| 22:17.14 | toresbe | resiak: gentoo has its uses. |
| 22:17.18 | directhex | Edzilla, i'm shocked & amazed you got anything to install. i really am. |
| 22:17.22 | resiak | toresbe: Causing death? |
| 22:17.22 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y |
| 22:17.27 | toresbe | resiak: heh. |
| 22:17.30 | Edzilla | directhex: what do u mean? |
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| 22:17.35 | resiak | toresbe: Creating a space heater. |
| 22:17.36 | Eclipser | damn it, all my brilliant ideas are crushed :) |
| 22:17.41 | resiak | directhex: I've missed you. Where've you been? |
| 22:17.41 | directhex | !tell Edzilla about woody hardware support |
| 22:17.42 | toresbe | resiak: it's quite nice with certain very narrow scenarios |
| 22:17.47 | cafuego | Edzilla: Well, you should begin with upgrading to a kernel from the same decade as your hardware, |
| 22:17.49 | directhex | resiak, my girlfriend's |
| 22:17.53 | toresbe | resiak: I tried it on my desktop for a few months. |
| 22:17.53 | resiak | directhex: Figures :) |
| 22:18.00 | toresbe | resiak: hated it. |
| 22:18.00 | xam | Edzilla: guess which one of the three doesn't fit in ... |
| 22:18.03 | resiak | toresbe: And ... did you get to turn down your radiator? |
| 22:18.12 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, let's move on to private, I want you to flood a bit :) |
| 22:18.22 | toresbe | resiak: I have enough hardware to never need a radiator |
| 22:18.25 | cafuego | Edzilla: Take the whole system from woody to sarge, for a start. Then get a recent 2.6 kernel. You'll find performance to magically be 4 to 10 times better. |
| 22:18.26 | Phated | ... Hehehe. |
| 22:18.34 | resiak | toresbe: Muahaha. |
| 22:18.46 | directhex | cafuego, he has no intarweb, due to lack of ndiswrapped intarweb. he's in fuckedupland |
| 22:18.49 | toresbe | resiak: I ph33r summer because that's when my nature's own A/C system malfunctions |
| 22:18.54 | Edzilla | sure, but can I do that without having the debian acess the internet? |
| 22:19.00 | toresbe | resiak: and the heat gets insufferable |
| 22:19.06 | resiak | toresbe: You have summer in Norway? |
| 22:19.08 | cafuego | Edzilla: Boot Windows, download sarge iso. |
| 22:19.21 | toresbe | resiak: I even have to turn off my SGI's :(( |
| 22:19.56 | resiak | toresbe: Make them fly west for the summer and give them to me. |
| 22:20.03 | luvwave | when i click twice on a run file *.run it opens with Gedit.I believe that file is associated with this word processor how can I open it like an exec file or which application do i have to perform to open this file |
| 22:20.27 | resiak | luvwave: chmod +x filename, ./filename |
| 22:20.28 | toresbe | luvwave: in console: ./file.run |
| 22:20.41 | luvwave | i'll try |
| 22:20.50 | cafuego | installing .run file without know what doing bad! |
| 22:20.59 | directhex | luvwave, .run is a common extension applied to selfgz scripts. run them with 'sh filename.run', or chmod a+x filename.run then ./filename.run |
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| 22:21.12 | luvwave | thanks a lot |
| 22:21.15 | cafuego | and directhex |
| 22:21.20 | resiak | luvwave: Oh, you mean in Nautilus? Right-click, properties, permissions, Execute, Close, Double-click, hope it's not some kind of system-trashing dirtiness. |
| 22:21.21 | directhex | it's gonna be nvidia-installer |
| 22:21.24 | luvwave | I'll study the suffix more carefully |
| 22:21.29 | luvwave | yes |
| 22:21.38 | resiak | !tell luvwave -about nvidia howto |
| 22:21.45 | cafuego | directhex: There was a 'sqlite' one not 10 minutes ago. |
| 22:21.53 | directhex | but i got smacked down for my outlandish and idiotic suggestion that sid packages cause fewer problems than overwriting of dpkg-managed files |
| 22:22.01 | caphuso | cafuego: no, that was .bin |
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| 22:22.09 | directhex | so i'm no longer opffering nvidia advice. let the nvidia one-liner factoid write, i ain't maintaining it |
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| 22:22.20 | directhex | *rot |
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| 22:22.37 | cheale1 | directhex: what's happening? I missed... |
| 22:22.52 | luvwave | what is a X server |
| 22:22.54 | luvwave | lol |
| 22:22.56 | dambodog | when trying to mount my own machine using nfs i am getting permission denied. ideas why? do i have to include my localhost in the hosts.allow? why can't i mount using nfs my dir? |
| 22:23.01 | luvwave | sorry for so many questions |
| 22:23.15 | resiak | luvwave: Go read a website about Linux. |
| 22:23.23 | directhex | cheal, i just had someone act high & mighty when i explained to someone how to mix sid & sarge to get nvidia set up, insisting nvidia-installer caused no problems. so i wash my hands of it all. |
| 22:23.34 | resiak | dambodog: Why did you not try including localhost before coming here? |
| 22:23.52 | resiak | directhex: That wasn't exactly someone who has a brain, IIRC. |
| 22:23.56 | caphuso | directhex: what moron was that? |
| 22:24.00 | dambodog | resiak, what do you mean? |
| 22:24.12 | directhex | i don't think i was logging |
| 22:24.13 | cheal | luvwave: or the wikipedia entry for X window system |
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| 22:24.34 | resiak | dambodog: Read the manual a bit, and why not try out things that sound like good ideas to you? |
| 22:24.48 | cheal | directhex: ok, not sure what you mean, but anyway |
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| 22:25.45 | dambodog | resiak, i was trying to do so. it did not work. I tried adding my server hostname and 127.0.0.1 to the host.allow list but it did not work. when i try to mount using nfs the dir localhost:/files/dir/ i get permission denined. |
| 22:26.26 | resiak | dambodog: Are you actually sharing that directory? |
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| 22:26.43 | dambodog | resiak, define sharing |
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| 22:27.00 | resiak | dambodog: ...NFS sharing. |
| 22:27.02 | foXclone | just apt-get apache and changed the port and www root in the httpd.conf. When i open the page on a different computer is works fine however when i use for example /images to store my images it doesn't show them in my webpage |
| 22:27.06 | resiak | dambodog: As in the whole entire thing you're trying to do. |
| 22:27.23 | Darien | foXclone: apache aliases /images to somewhere else |
| 22:27.31 | resiak | dambodog: I suspect that you haven't set up that directory as an NFS share, which means that you can't mount it, because it's not shared. |
| 22:27.32 | Darien | foXclone: check the httpd.conf and comment out the alias for /images |
| 22:27.47 | foXclone | sweet! |
| 22:28.05 | foXclone | Darien: thx |
| 22:28.17 | Darien | np |
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| 22:28.24 | Darien | I hope that works, or I'm going to look really stupid in about two minutes |
| 22:28.52 | foXclone | i apreciate n e help i can get! |
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| 22:31.04 | Darien | resiak: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:31.14 | streuner_ | foXclone: i get 'eyecancer' when i read 'n e' :-) |
| 22:31.21 | foXclone | lol |
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| 22:31.28 | foXclone | it works |
| 22:31.30 | foXclone | Darien |
| 22:31.33 | Darien | resiak: 'nameserver 123.21.32.121' |
| 22:31.34 | resiak | Darien: Thanks. :) |
| 22:31.35 | Darien | foXclone: nice |
| 22:31.36 | Darien | resiak: np |
| 22:31.54 | dambodog | resiak, ok. it worx:) |
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| 22:32.02 | resiak | dambodog: Good stuff :) |
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| 22:32.25 | dambodog | resiak, do you know if there's a way to restrict the dhcp3 server on debian to certain mac addresses? |
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| 22:33.21 | resiak | dambodog: Not a clue. |
| 22:33.49 | nextime | dambodog : hardware ethernet <mac addr>; on your "host { }" directive in your dhcpd.conf |
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| 22:34.06 | nextime | ( man dhcpd.conf ) |
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| 22:35.15 | astronut | did katie not run today? |
| 22:35.22 | astronut | wait..nm...there it is... |
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| 22:35.25 | astronut | sorry.. |
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| 22:37.05 | travisat | astronut: you can come down now. |
| 22:37.15 | astronut | travisat: ?? |
| 22:37.59 | travisat | astronut: ?? |
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| 22:38.04 | astronut | come down? |
| 22:38.06 | astronut | calm? |
| 22:38.06 | _xavier | hi, is there somebody who can help me with direct rendering on my mobility radeon m6, debian sarge |
| 22:38.11 | misfitx7 | what ahppend to linux-wlan-ng? it isnt in the apt directory anymore |
| 22:38.21 | _xavier | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 22:38.22 | _xavier | direct rendering: No |
| 22:38.22 | _xavier | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
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| 22:38.26 | chealer | hey _xavier, my friend has a similar problem |
| 22:38.32 | travisat | astronut: nm |
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| 22:40.20 | jazzka | hi! |
| 22:40.28 | jazzka | which IDS do you recommend for a normal paranoic user? (easy to use) |
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| 22:41.23 | resiak | !polls |
| 22:41.23 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 22:41.32 | chealer | _xavier: there's also a #ati |
| 22:41.48 | resiak | jazzka: Might you be an Ubuntu user, not a Debian user, in any case? |
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| 22:42.10 | jazzka | resiak, that's right! |
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| 22:42.46 | streuner_ | !ubuntusmite jazzka |
| 22:43.01 | resiak | jazzka: Why are you asking in #debian then? |
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| 22:43.39 | jazzka | well I also use machines with pure debian, so I'm interested id some IDS |
| 22:43.49 | Phated | You mean it was a mode? |
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| 22:43.55 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 22:44.00 | pureone | snort is good |
| 22:44.34 | myren | i've tried setting up zsh so many times its not funny, |
| 22:44.37 | resiak | Phated: :| |
| 22:44.37 | staniel | resiak: I avoid that entirely by havinh my defualt mood to be 'pissed off at the world' according to a good friend |
| 22:44.37 | myren | but no matter what i do |
| 22:44.42 | myren | tab completion is always BALLS SLOW |
| 22:44.50 | resiak | staniel: Do you by any chance listen to emo music? |
| 22:44.50 | staniel | and I need to learn the spell |
| 22:44.57 | staniel | resiak: negative |
| 22:45.02 | resiak | staniel: Pity. |
| 22:45.15 | Phated | resiak: :) |
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| 22:47.14 | DuckTales | Why aren't Mozilla firefox 1.0.2 with all those important security updates, and xchat 2.4.2 in the sarge repositories |
| 22:47.14 | Mardus | I am helpless with installing Yahoo!Messenger - the official install page says it has been tested with woody. Once I installed the .deb package, it says that it needs glibc2.3, but I have 2.2. Getting 2.3 requires me to have libc6 from testing, which requires another package which says: "Do not link new applications against this library!" What do to? |
| 22:47.22 | DuckTales | They're not even that new anymore. |
| 22:47.34 | DuckTales | Are they not going in the repositories for some reason? |
| 22:47.44 | DuckTales | Mardus, Just get gaim. |
| 22:48.24 | Mardus | DuckTales: I have gaim already, but I also have woody and I have the gaim that only connects to AIM and ICQ. |
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| 22:48.53 | chealer | _xavier: check /msg dpkg radeon |
| 22:49.02 | piernik | Yahoo for linux sucks. Gaim is ok |
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| 22:49.19 | Mardus | DuckTales: I have gaim 0.58, which I downloaded from stable sources. |
| 22:49.23 | resiak | Mardus: Don't use Woody on a desktop, it's just not worth it... |
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| 22:50.23 | Mardus | resiak: Well, I was told to get sarge, as I have an S3Trio64+ video card -- and then pray that x would work in it. |
| 22:51.08 | Mardus | Hi phated ;P |
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| 22:51.19 | Phated | Hello, Mardus. |
| 22:51.20 | pw | Mardus: Sheesh. Pick up a crappy Ati Rage Pro off eBay for a fiver and be much, much happier. |
| 22:51.25 | resiak | Mardus: Would something that Woody's X is happy with really not work on Sarge? |
| 22:51.59 | holo | Mardus: if that is a trio64 just use xfree version prior to 4 |
| 22:52.03 | holo | Mardus: like 3 |
| 22:52.21 | Mardus | holo: You think it would work in sarge? |
| 22:52.46 | Mardus | holo: I already have it in woody btw. |
| 22:52.47 | resiak | Mardus: Got a spare hard disk? Install Sarge on that and find out for yourself. |
| 22:53.12 | Mardus | resiak: I have two HDD's that people have said that they failed. |
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| 22:53.51 | resiak | Mardus: "People have said" ? |
| 22:53.55 | holo | Mardus: if that version of xfree86 only exists in woody, get the correct xfree86 from there, and set xfree not to upgrade in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 22:54.14 | holo | Mardus: you will find some howto in the net, search for apt-pinnig |
| 22:54.22 | holo | *apt-pinning |
| 22:54.57 | Mardus | resiak: Well, one computer-savvy friend with one HDD and then my father, who is not computer-savvy, but he's been told about that other drive that it failed. |
| 22:55.19 | holo | Mardus: i had that card too and it didn't work with version 4, dunno why |
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| 22:55.33 | holo | i guess it was no longer mantained or included |
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| 22:55.55 | bnoji | Any recommendations for a 24-port 10/100 switch? |
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| 22:55.59 | Mardus | holo: That's because the XFree86 people stopped developing X 4.x.x for S3Trio. |
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| 22:56.10 | bnoji | Soemthing basic and reliable |
| 22:56.19 | dexter__ | resiak: You have a dance for everything? : |
| 22:56.21 | dexter__ | :p |
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| 22:56.22 | holo | Mardus: exacly, so do what i said and you will be happy :) |
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| 22:56.45 | dexter__ | "getting brekfast"-dance, "getting pizza"-dance, "going to sleep"-dance etc. etc. |
| 22:56.46 | Mardus | holo: When I have the time.... |
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| 22:57.05 | holo | Mardus: its very easy believe me ;) |
| 22:57.14 | arafangion | How quickly do packages get into debian unstable? (ie, how soon would OpenOffice.org 2 get in?) |
| 22:57.22 | pipeline | holo, Mardus: Aren't the library situations going to get complicated? |
| 22:57.34 | resiak | dexter__: As toresbe has said, I'm the Lord of the #Debian Dance. |
| 22:57.37 | pipeline | arafangion: OpenOffice 2.0 won't make it into Unstable until it's usable... |
| 22:57.48 | resiak | arafangion: With big updates, quite a while. |
| 22:57.48 | pipeline | arafangion: It's going to be in experimental for a *long* time |
| 22:57.50 | Mardus | pipeline: I don't know; I'm a beginner at all this. |
| 22:57.52 | arafangion | pipeline: And once it is... How quickly? |
| 22:57.58 | holo | pipeline, i guess they wont upgrade if xfree don't let them |
| 22:58.34 | pipeline | holo, Mardus: I would not, not, not install the woody packages for fear of mucking up the libraries. I would be better inclined to attempt to install an X server separately under /opt or /usr/local or somethin.g |
| 22:59.04 | bnoji | I've had good results from linksys home products...how are their business switches? |
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| 22:59.07 | pipeline | arafangion: Oh, maybe a week or two. It's hard to tell, really. The thing is, OO.o 2.x is *nowhere* close to ready. It'll be a looooong time before we see OO.o 2.0 packages in unstable. |
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| 22:59.26 | jan_ | kijk, een p2! |
| 22:59.42 | arafangion | pipeline: Oh, that's fast then - so it should be very quick once they decide that it's useable. Likewise for E17. |
| 22:59.53 | Mardus | holo: You mean I get and install sarge somewhere on a spare HDD and then get XFree86 v 3 from Woody? |
| 22:59.54 | pipeline | arafangion: Yes, but E17 is another blue-sky project. |
| 22:59.54 | arafangion | Somehow I suspect that OO.o2 will be ready sooner. |
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| 23:00.15 | holo | if that leads to a situation that apt-get can't solve, then add more packages to stop upgrading in /etc/apt/preferences, or then: mardus use sarge as main version, and explicity install some packages from stable, this i know that work, use apt-pinning for this too |
| 23:00.16 | pipeline | arafangion: Look, OO.o 2.0 and E17 are so far out, they're effectively in *alpha* now. You're not going to see genuine-article unstable packages for months. At least. |
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| 23:00.45 | pipeline | Mardus, holo: Yes, I think that's a bad idea. You know how many packages use those X libraries? |
| 23:00.47 | arafangion | pipeline: Thanks :) |
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| 23:01.03 | DuckTales | How does a project under GPL get added to debian.org into the repositories? |
| 23:01.25 | pw | Someone cares enough to package it, I suppose. |
| 23:01.26 | chealer | arafangion: sooner then what? they said it would be out in march. march ends in 4 days here and there's no RC in sight |
| 23:01.30 | holo | pipeline: if they break that's a bad idea, then Mardus, use my second option, if don't use the first |
| 23:01.53 | Mardus | holo: What about using woody and then downloading the necessary packages, but installing them somewhere else? |
| 23:01.57 | arafangion | chealer: We *are* comparing to E17... |
| 23:02.11 | pipeline | arafangion: Have you SEEN OO.o 2.0? It's not not not not release quality. |
| 23:02.28 | Mardus | holo: Necessary pkgs like libc6 with glibc 2.3 and that other one. |
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| 23:02.34 | arafangion | pipeline: I have briefly *used* it on windows. |
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| 23:02.45 | pipeline | arafangion: Then you should know. |
| 23:02.57 | holo | Mardus: i don't think so, but its your choice ;) |
| 23:02.59 | arafangion | pipeline: I was quite impressed with the improvements. |
| 23:03.05 | eric | mm some day ago, I asked about changing pagecode for keyboard, and someone refered me to something to tell to dpkg.. like keyboard-codepage or something like that.. could anyone help me find what I should tell to dpkg so he tells me how to reconfigure the x keyboard configuration ? |
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| 23:03.31 | Mardus | Hm... I dpkg male or female? |
| 23:04.01 | arafangion | Mardus: Non-english native speakers like to assign a gender to everything. |
| 23:04.06 | pipeline | Mardus: Honestly, I wouldn't embark on this project. Break that S3 in half, burn it, and bury the remains. |
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| 23:04.24 | holo | Mardus: and you can always use woody as main version, and explicitly install programs from sarge, this is the most reliable becouse you are upgrading not downgrading as in the second option, as i said see apt-pinnning for this |
| 23:04.27 | Mardus | pipeline. no. |
| 23:04.37 | pipeline | eric: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:04.42 | arafangion | holo: No, that doesn't work so well. |
| 23:04.48 | pipeline | Mardus: Have fun. Even if you get it working, that card is a complete piece of shit. |
| 23:04.54 | eric | pipeline thx |
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| 23:05.25 | holo | holo pipeline, i saw examples of people who downgraded using apt-pinning and the system remained healthy |
| 23:05.32 | holo | full system downgrade |
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| 23:05.34 | pipeline | holo: And that's fine, but the X libraries are a special case. |
| 23:05.39 | bwlang | i need to read bytes 0x3766200 to 0x3769c48 from one file and write them out to another... anybody know how to do this? |
| 23:05.39 | holo | but that was an example of course |
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| 23:05.53 | pipeline | holo: You'll have nobody to fix your bugs because you're using X libraries from five years ago. |
| 23:05.53 | holo | pipeline: i believe you |
| 23:05.56 | Mardus | pipeline: That card works with what I have right now. |
| 23:06.00 | bwlang | dd? |
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| 23:06.19 | pipeline | Mardus: Then use what you have right now, it's not going to be pleasant getting it working under any modern OS. |
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| 23:06.30 | holo | pipeline: well that is a risk he must be willing to take |
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| 23:06.43 | pipeline | Mardus: A modern graphics card is all of thirty dollars. An ancient graphics card that sucks less is all of five dollars. |
| 23:06.51 | hettar | bwlang main () { fd = open (...) lseek(..) read (...) write (..) etc return 0 }; |
| 23:06.52 | sperm | dose anyone know how to change the blackground in fluxbox |
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| 23:06.56 | fana | is there no deb file for bitchX in sarge? apt-get search bitchx doesn't find it but a dpkg --list bitchx shows me it isnt installed |
| 23:06.56 | Mardus | pipeline: Granted, woody is not modern, but I don't have a modern computer either. |
| 23:07.00 | sperm | and add icons on the screen? |
| 23:07.06 | arafangion | Mardus: I have yet to find a card worse than an S3 Virge. |
| 23:07.14 | pipeline | Mardus: If you're using Woody, then you're fine, because XF86 3.x is going to be available for a long time. |
| 23:07.18 | Mardus | sperm: man fluxbox |
| 23:07.27 | mwilson | fana: Can't use p.d.o for yourself? |
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| 23:07.37 | pipeline | arafangion: The Trio64 was the 2d equivalent of the Virge. It was dreadfully slow, incapable of reasonable graphics modes, and usually had no memory. |
| 23:07.37 | holo | i agree with pipeline .. using five dollars hardware is not worth the pain, i am a good example for that :S |
| 23:07.48 | Mardus | aragangion: I have S3Trio64V+ |
| 23:07.51 | sperm | Mardus it is not there. |
| 23:07.58 | directhex | i had a trio v64+ |
| 23:08.03 | directhex | it was without a doubt unuseable |
| 23:08.04 | arafangion | Mardus: Oh, good luck then. |
| 23:08.06 | pipeline | Mardus, holo: You would have to pay me $5 to get me to TAKE an S3 Trio. |
| 23:08.07 | M4hd1 | could anybody plz help me with smth? mysqld cant load at boottime, but it does when called as root. Syslog says: "Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address. Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ? Aborting" |
| 23:08.07 | fana | what's p.d.o ? |
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| 23:08.15 | pipeline | fana: packages.debian.org |
| 23:08.17 | Mardus | sperm: google fluxbox |
| 23:08.31 | directhex | to the extwent that my completely unrealted tv card had a special "you must add this to your autoexec.bat" bios patch for it |
| 23:08.32 | Mardus | aragangion: Thanks. |
| 23:08.35 | directhex | just to get overlay to display |
| 23:08.36 | pipeline | Mardus: Typical, a fluxbox user who doesn't know what he's doing :P |
| 23:08.38 | arafangion | Mardus: I will say this: It is possible to get it working, and I have done that while I waited for a replacement nvidia. |
| 23:08.40 | bob2 | fana: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296535 |
| 23:08.54 | arafangion | Mardus: But in my case, I was unable to get it to operate at a frequency other than 60 Hz. |
| 23:08.56 | bob2 | fana: I'd really recommend using a less broken irc client |
| 23:09.06 | bobesponja | I heard fedora ships a native version of eclipse built on gcj and classpath, would be cool to have this on debian too :), does anyone know if such a thing is planed? |
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| 23:09.25 | Mardus | pipeline: I am not a fluxbox user, me a twm user |
| 23:09.43 | pipeline | bobesponja: It doesn't already exist? What is the installable eclipse built with? |
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| 23:10.10 | pipeline | arafangion: You should feel fortunate that you got a full 60 Hz out of it. Back then, interlaced monitors weren't uncommon |
| 23:10.21 | bobesponja | pipeline: i tried apt-get install eclipse-sdk and it asked for java1.4 or runtime |
| 23:10.27 | fana | I want to use irssi but I can't connect with it through a http proxy or socks proxy |
| 23:10.41 | drac | fana: Why not? |
| 23:10.49 | holo | Mardus: i think the third option to use woody as main version and sarge as secondary is the most reliable, what is your machine, remember, kernels from stable only support very old hadware |
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| 23:11.03 | arafangion | pipeline: I can't remember if it was interlaced or not, but I was unable to look at it without using a TFT screen. |
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| 23:11.29 | arafangion | holo: USE BACKPORTS. |
| 23:11.35 | Mardus | arafangion: I do have X working, but I can't login to anything else than AIM. |
| 23:11.38 | pipeline | Mardus: If you're running a Woody system, use backports.org and experiment with http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html this |
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| 23:12.21 | arafangion | Mardus: Pardon? So you do have X running on your S3 virge? Why can't you "login to anything else than AIM"? |
| 23:12.27 | holo | arafangion: that is a good idea, Mardus use backports from www.apt-get.org for stable and other stuff |
| 23:12.29 | fana | don't know :-) I'm still trying different configs since 22:00 |
| 23:12.48 | Mardus | holo: I have P120 32M RAM, and a HDD that matches the hardware mentioned at the beginning |
| 23:13.26 | holo | Mardus: you can saffely install there a 2.4.18 kernel and remain with it |
| 23:13.46 | Mardus | aragangion: I have X running on S3Trio64V+ and there is no Virge... I have woody, but only gaim 0.58 from stable logs on to anything and that's only AIM. |
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| 23:14.27 | Mardus | * arafangion: I mistyped your name above |
| 23:14.40 | Bac9 | can anyone point me to some docs on how to get alsa to output to a remote host? |
| 23:14.42 | arafangion | Mardus: Heh, I know :) Just kicking up a fuss ;) |
| 23:14.47 | holo | Mardus: as i said, use apt-pinning stable/testing and then apt-get -t testing install gaim |
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| 23:15.12 | citral | !nick completion |
| 23:15.12 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. |
| 23:15.13 | Mardus | I think backports and apt-get.org should be nice... |
| 23:15.14 | arnon | how do I install dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 23:15.16 | arafangion | Mardus: So, other programs don't work? |
| 23:15.23 | holo | and i will say no more |
| 23:15.46 | Mardus | arafangion: No. |
| 23:16.04 | Mardus | holo: Thanks for what advice you provided. |
| 23:16.05 | arafangion | Mardus: What happens when you try them? |
| 23:16.15 | citral | arnon: type that as root, usr//sbin is probably not in your path |
| 23:16.19 | Mardus | arafangion: "can't login" |
| 23:16.45 | arafangion | Mardus: With the propriatary nicks, it always pays to use the latest clients. |
| 23:16.48 | arafangion | *networks |
| 23:16.49 | arnon | citral, I have dpkg, dpkg-architexture, dpkg-deb, and so on, but no dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:16.51 | Mardus | arafangion: Usually they are unable to log in. But remember that these are also very old programs. |
| 23:16.59 | Mardus | arafangion: Yea, I know. |
| 23:17.08 | arnon | citral, oops I have it actually |
| 23:17.11 | arnon | citral, thanks |
| 23:17.20 | arafangion | Mardus: Check out backports.org, or attempt to compile it yourself. |
| 23:17.27 | Mardus | arafangion: Well, AOL usually lets people with AIM 1.xxx to log in. |
| 23:17.31 | holo | maybe becouse the version is too old, in centericq i can't login anymore, dunno if it is the same problem |
| 23:17.32 | arafangion | Mardus: Those are really the only options. |
| 23:17.33 | Mardus | arafangion: K |
| 23:17.58 | arafangion | Mardus: AOL actually allows several protocols. |
| 23:18.00 | holo | in msn of course |
| 23:18.07 | Mardus | arafangion: I know. |
| 23:18.21 | arafangion | Which is why 1.xxx still works. |
| 23:18.25 | Mardus | holo: That's because they all are old. |
| 23:18.36 | holo | Mardus: heh |
| 23:18.49 | fana | which console irc-client is recommended? at the moment I like irssi the most... |
| 23:19.05 | arafangion | Mardus: You'll probably have the best luck with gaim, never-the-less. |
| 23:19.16 | citral | fana: this one |
| 23:19.17 | arafangion | fana: irssi seems to be pretty darn popular. |
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| 23:19.34 | guested | Some corrupt kernel module has prevented linux from booting. Is there any boot: command to stop module loading? |
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| 23:19.38 | Mardus | arafangion: I already have gaim 0.58, but it's too old and the latest version wants too many new packages. |
| 23:19.54 | arafangion | Mardus: Welcome to dependency hell, unless backports has it. |
| 23:19.54 | citral | guested: tried failsafe mode? |
| 23:20.12 | witless | is there anything in apt that provides jabber authentication against a postgresql database? |
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| 23:20.30 | arafangion | witless: Try jabberd. |
| 23:20.38 | holo | fana: with irssi you can use screen, xchat is the graphical one, there is also bitchx which is text mode and is popular for its attitude.. there is also one that is intregated in gnome i think kvirc |
| 23:20.53 | helix | Phated: it's too windy >:( |
| 23:20.54 | holo | *kde |
| 23:20.56 | Mardus | arafangion: I've heard of dependency hell before... |
| 23:21.03 | holo | i must eat :s |
| 23:21.08 | Phated | helix: What's wrong with windy? :) |
| 23:21.11 | fana | hmm ok, i am using xchat at the moment. did someone of you get it working throug squid 2.4.stable6 ? |
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| 23:21.17 | helix | it blows my hair all over the place |
| 23:21.19 | helix | so I can't see |
| 23:21.30 | Phated | Tie it back? |
| 23:21.30 | asuffield | what's evil about windy? |
| 23:21.32 | asuffield | helix: tie it back, duh :P |
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| 23:21.37 | helix | I have bangs, silly people |
| 23:21.38 | fana | i mean irssi with squid, not xchat |
| 23:21.42 | witless | arafangion: thx |
| 23:21.46 | arafangion | Bangs? |
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| 23:22.02 | asuffield | arafangion: hair pointlessly dangling down your face so it can get in your food |
| 23:22.06 | arafangion | witless: May I refer you to the jabberd docs? |
| 23:22.10 | helix | they're not that long |
| 23:22.20 | Phated | Now why would you bother having those? |
| 23:22.23 | arafangion | helix: Clip them back. |
| 23:22.31 | asuffield | or just tie it all back |
| 23:22.37 | arafangion | helix: I have bangs too, didn't even know what they were called! |
| 23:22.41 | Phated | Or stand over a hot fire. |
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| 23:22.52 | helix | I can't tie it all back, my bangs are too short |
| 23:22.53 | asuffield | or plait it or something |
| 23:22.55 | peterS | aww, bangs are cool. though not when they are long enough to impair your vision |
| 23:22.59 | helix | I have the other three feet of hair tied back |
| 23:23.01 | asuffield | Phated: do you have any idea how awful that smells? :P |
| 23:23.12 | gravity | Three feet? |
| 23:23.13 | citral | like rosted pig |
| 23:23.14 | gravity | Geez |
| 23:23.20 | asuffield | peterS: personally, I find them bloody irritating |
| 23:23.20 | quiet | what would be a good, light-weight GUI file manager for debian?? I can't seem to find ROX anywhere? |
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| 23:23.22 | Phated | asuffield: You're not standing next to her, and neither am I. I don't see why it would bother you. |
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| 23:23.47 | arafangion | helix: What gender are you? |
| 23:23.49 | asuffield | gravity: I believe that's an exaggeration |
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| 23:23.52 | peterS | asuffield: I do too, for myself. but they don't *look* bad, they're just annoying |
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| 23:24.18 | helix | my bangs are cute |
| 23:24.19 | Phated | Comfort before looks. |
| 23:24.20 | gravity | asuffield: I was wondering... I somehow don't remember three feet of hair on her |
| 23:24.33 | asuffield | helix: clip them back or something, anyway |
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| 23:24.46 | helix | well, I'm inside now so no matter |
| 23:24.46 | Phated | helix: As are your socks, kitties, xterms... And so on. |
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| 23:25.03 | helix | gravity: heh, my hair isn't three feet |
| 23:25.04 | peterS | gravity: you just don't notice it's 3 feet because she's so tall. you think it's just like 2 feet |
| 23:25.05 | helix | but it's long |
| 23:25.13 | helix | true, it does look shorter due to height |
| 23:25.17 | asuffield | it's not *that* long |
| 23:25.37 | asuffield | and it's not difficult to get hair out of the way if you put your mind to it |
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| 23:25.50 | helix | asuffield: how do you know how long it is? |
| 23:25.55 | helix | it's certainly over 2ft |
| 23:26.05 | Phated | Stuff it all in a hat, sheesh. |
| 23:26.10 | asuffield | helix: I presume your photos are current :P |
| 23:26.11 | helix | oh, a hat |
| 23:26.13 | Phated | Oh, wait. No, nevermind. |
| 23:26.25 | asuffield | Phated: that doesn't work too well |
| 23:26.33 | helix | asuffield: my hair isn't down in many of them (but no, a lot of them aren't current) |
| 23:26.35 | Phated | As I realised too late. |
| 23:26.47 | arafangion | Phated: Gives a cool "cowgirl" look, though! |
| 23:26.49 | arafangion | I'll bet. |
| 23:26.58 | Phated | helix as cowgirl... |
| 23:27.01 | helix | I have a cool hat but not with me |
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| 23:27.09 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 23:27.10 | gravity | Your pink one? |
| 23:27.10 | mavvi | hi |
| 23:27.15 | gravity | That dilinger wore? |
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| 23:27.23 | helix | hahaha |
| 23:27.26 | helix | that wasn't mine dude |
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| 23:27.29 | helix | we were at a hat store |
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| 23:27.34 | gravity | Damn |
| 23:27.48 | asuffield | what the hell kind of degenerate country needs an entire store for hats? |
| 23:27.48 | peterS | arafangion: that's a pretty radical assumption based on the name in her /whois |
| 23:27.49 | gravity | You should have bought it for dilinger :-) |
| 23:28.03 | helix | asuffield: they had gloves and other stuff |
| 23:28.05 | helix | like shirts and jackets |
| 23:28.15 | mavvi | i have ibm personal computer 300pl, and videocard is intergrated on board S3. whotich driver i must use for xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 23:28.18 | Phated | So why was it called a hat store? |
| 23:28.25 | helix | because I chose to call it one |
| 23:28.33 | helix | I was looking for pink gloves |
| 23:28.33 | Phated | I see. |
| 23:28.36 | asuffield | so in short, you were making it up |
| 23:28.38 | helix | and all we found was that hat |
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| 23:28.40 | helix | maybe |
| 23:29.03 | pder | does debian support input devices such as keyboards and mice? |
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| 23:29.06 | peterS | it's like burlington coat factory. I haven't been inside one but I was recently told they sell a lot more than just coats |
| 23:29.18 | helix | peterS: heh, yeah |
| 23:29.20 | caphuso | pder: no, only punch card readers |
| 23:29.32 | mavvi | help pls |
| 23:29.39 | arafangion | peterS: I'm slow ;) |
| 23:29.47 | mavvi | :) |
| 23:29.50 | arafangion | peterS: But as a rule I tend not to /whois. |
| 23:29.56 | mavvi | hah :d |
| 23:30.05 | hulo | its not in burlington, they don't sell coats, and its not a factory |
| 23:30.11 | peterS | arafangion: I don't /whois all that often either, but if I were wondering what gender someone was I probably would |
| 23:30.12 | mavvi | may i paste |
| 23:30.14 | helix | they do sell coats |
| 23:30.15 | mavvi | :P |
| 23:30.21 | helix | mavvi: use #flood |
| 23:30.28 | mavvi | naah |
| 23:30.33 | mavvi | :) |
| 23:30.39 | holo | mavvi: or use www.pastebin.com |
| 23:30.39 | hulo | i was just being facetious, although it would have been nice if it were true |
| 23:30.48 | mavvi | haha :) |
| 23:31.05 | mavvi | nono i just was thinked whitch driver to use for xfree |
| 23:31.18 | mavvi | i have on board integrated s3 |
| 23:31.22 | peterS | holo, hulo: can you decide which one should change his nick? too confusing as it is. (: |
| 23:31.25 | helix | how strange, a hulo and a holo |
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| 23:31.33 | helix | that's worse than helix and helen |
| 23:31.35 | mavvi | and xfree s3 driver dont work |
| 23:31.41 | arafangion | Bangs are cute on girls, but I often think that two thin plaits would be cuter, and easier to manage. |
| 23:31.45 | hulo | yes |
| 23:31.47 | Phated | There's a helen? |
| 23:31.50 | helix | yes |
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| 23:31.53 | holo | peterS: heh |
| 23:31.53 | peterS | there is indeed |
| 23:31.54 | helix | also a HE and a henna |
| 23:31.56 | hulo | is holo registerd on nickserv? |
| 23:31.56 | Phated | Cool. |
| 23:31.58 | mwilson | helix: "former"? |
| 23:32.00 | helix | though we are not often all in the same place at once |
| 23:32.01 | peterS | she used to go by hmlf and that was less confusing |
| 23:32.02 | hulo | i will change |
| 23:32.05 | mwilson | (I don't keep up, obviously) |
| 23:32.07 | helix | mwilson: eh? |
| 23:32.08 | hulo | hulo is kind of lame anyway |
| 23:32.08 | peterS | hulo: hey, I was kidding |
| 23:32.17 | helix | mwilson: the president thing? |
| 23:32.17 | holo | hulo: i am |
| 23:32.21 | pder | can debian be installed on a personal computer system? |
| 23:32.24 | mwilson | You were president, now you're formerly president. |
| 23:32.27 | arafangion | Hey, what's wrong with "TheStar", and all those other "The..." nicks? |
| 23:32.29 | holo | but is not such a big deal, a nick is just a nick |
| 23:32.29 | helix | yeah, it's been a year |
| 23:32.35 | hulo | pder: yes |
| 23:32.35 | PerfDave | pder: For most definitions of "personal computer system", yes. |
| 23:32.36 | helix | well, I'm still technically president |
| 23:32.38 | mavvi | peder yeah :D |
| 23:32.39 | asuffield | meh, nothing's as bad as liw and liiwi |
| 23:32.43 | helix | but elections are being held and I'm not running :) |
| 23:32.47 | mwilson | ah |
| 23:32.49 | hulo | bbiab |
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| 23:33.17 | karsten | pder: Yes. |
| 23:33.21 | karsten | !tell pder about d-i |
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| 23:34.13 | mavvi | debian distro is beest ;) |
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| 23:35.11 | karsten | mavvi: s/beest.beast/ |
| 23:35.19 | mavvi | or i like it ;) |
| 23:35.26 | mavvi | karsten: re you girl |
| 23:35.35 | mavvi | youre nick is like biatch :D |
| 23:35.37 | pder | were the irritate or annoy commands removed from dpkg? |
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| 23:35.44 | simonrvn | what's the obsession with gender today? sheesh |
| 23:35.45 | elsidi | hello again |
| 23:35.49 | karsten | mavvi: Um, try againt |
| 23:35.58 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:36.03 | gravity | mavvi: Don't be a jerk |
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| 23:36.12 | shadebob | hi |
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| 23:36.21 | mavvi | aaght jerk jokes ;) |
| 23:36.38 | karsten | shadebob: aren't you a screensaver? |
| 23:36.39 | Phated | Shall I stab faces? |
| 23:36.47 | karsten | Phated: Please. |
| 23:36.49 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 23:36.50 | mwilson | hm, links doesn't like your thumbnailey thing. |
| 23:36.52 | simonrvn | please do Phated |
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| 23:37.15 | shadebob | Can I known an ip adress with only a mac address?? |
| 23:37.16 | Phated | That's the first I've been so welcome to violence. |
| 23:37.25 | asuffield | you'll get used to it |
| 23:37.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:37.34 | FieldySnuts | shadebob: yes, with arp |
| 23:37.34 | Phated | FieldySnuts: *nibble* |
| 23:37.37 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
| 23:37.38 | mavvi | please please wtf please room is this.. i give to all dick!! if asking so much |
| 23:37.40 | mavvi | pls pls pls |
| 23:37.40 | peterS | shadebob: rarp |
| 23:37.45 | FieldySnuts | @lart mavvi |
| 23:37.54 | karsten | shadebob: man arp |
| 23:38.02 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: quote23? |
| 23:38.05 | ravenbird | no idea, FieldySnuts |
| 23:38.08 | FieldySnuts | hm |
| 23:38.11 | peterS | karsten: does arp support reverse arp? I thought it didn't |
| 23:38.13 | shadebob | FieldySnuts : it's on a transparent bridge .... and arp cache is empty....:s |
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| 23:38.18 | MrP | Hello |
| 23:38.20 | FieldySnuts | rarp is sort of a perversion of arp |
| 23:38.24 | karsten | peterS: ?? |
| 23:38.25 | FieldySnuts | not officially part of arp |
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| 23:38.36 | asuffield | peterS: it's possible but stupid |
| 23:38.38 | peterS | karsten: if you have a mac address and want to know the IP(s) bound to it, that's the reverse of arp |
| 23:38.39 | FieldySnuts | use nmap to ping scan your entire subnet |
| 23:38.46 | FieldySnuts | then look at the arp cache/ips |
| 23:38.57 | FieldySnuts | note I said ping scan, not port scan... man nmap |
| 23:39.01 | peterS | FieldySnuts: that's a plan |
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| 23:39.11 | peterS | force an arp of every IP in the subnet |
| 23:39.21 | FieldySnuts | have to do that at work when somebody forgets to file a thin clients info |
| 23:39.25 | karsten | peterS: I don't know it in depth, but the kernel arp table lists known MACs and their IPs. |
| 23:39.37 | karsten | peterS: What FieldySnuts said. |
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| 23:39.37 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: nice one |
| 23:39.38 | helix | whoa, it got cold outside |
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| 23:39.44 | peterS | it did not |
| 23:39.48 | shadebob | Fieldysnuts : ok... i will see with nmap... |
| 23:39.54 | asuffield | it's night time. of course it's cold outside |
| 23:39.58 | mavvi | helix: yeah, where you live? |
| 23:40.24 | asuffield | karsten: flirt less tastelessly |
| 23:40.28 | karsten | mavvi: Fortunately, nowhere near you. |
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| 23:40.37 | MrP | What would cause gdm to give the "failed to initialize core devices" error when I try to start it? It seems to be a problem with my mouse. It worked fine until I tried to use a different monitor, and reconfigured xfree86, and had no luck, so tried to go back, and have been getting this error ever since |
| 23:41.02 | helix | asuffield: it's not dark here yet |
| 23:41.02 | shadebob | FieldySnuts : you known command to only ping all my network? |
| 23:41.02 | karsten | MrP: less ~/.xsession-errors |
| 23:41.02 | mavvi | karsten: do you know what mean kar in albanian |
| 23:41.02 | asuffield | helix: it is here |
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| 23:41.02 | asuffield | hmm. I should probably close the window |
| 23:41.12 | karsten | asuffield: Light my fire, baby. |
| 23:41.13 | FieldySnuts | shadebob: like I said, nmap can do it. man nmap (after installing it) |
| 23:41.13 | mavvi | :D hah hah |
| 23:41.36 | MrP | karsten: What will that do? I have to switch monitor/keyboard/mouse from one PC to another to do it, so if there is a step I should take from there, let me know now :) |
| 23:41.38 | karsten | shadebob: ping -f or ping the broadcast address. |
| 23:41.45 | FieldySnuts | that's not what you want |
| 23:41.48 | mavvi | karsten hahaha |
| 23:41.49 | holo | shadebob: nmap -sP 192.168.*.* that will take a long time |
| 23:41.56 | dondelelcaro | s/carbonate/carbide/ |
| 23:42.01 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 23:42.01 | asuffield | hmm, tired. must go find food... |
| 23:42.03 | FieldySnuts | no it won't, add -T 4 or -T 5 (speed it up drastically |
| 23:42.05 | karsten | MrP: You'll find consoles at <ctrl><alt><F[1-6]> |
| 23:42.10 | shadebob | yes : nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 23:42.14 | shadebob | it's ok ;) |
| 23:42.15 | deadcat | karsten: in screen(1), ^+tab goes to next window when splitted up, is it possible to go previous window? |
| 23:42.31 | FieldySnuts | if it's all LAN (no vpn stuff) -T 5 is fine |
| 23:42.31 | karsten | deadcat: Yes. RTFM, I foreget. |
| 23:42.44 | FieldySnuts | note the arp cache expires in 2 minutes, you might end up doing it again |
| 23:42.46 | karsten | helix: Install wmsun. |
| 23:42.52 | karsten | helix: ...gives local sunup/sundown. |
| 23:42.52 | peterS | helix: depends on the weather, I suspect. cloudy -> dark sooner |
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| 23:43.06 | helix | karsten: cool, I didn't know about that |
| 23:43.08 | karsten | peterS: reminds me of my favorite weather forecast. |
| 23:43.11 | deadcat | wmsun sucks. jus tlook outside |
| 23:43.12 | helix | peterS: yeah, there are no clouds |
| 23:43.15 | karsten | peterS: ...."It will be dark today". |
| 23:43.21 | peterS | karsten: heh |
| 23:43.29 | stew | verizon sucks |
| 23:43.31 | karsten | deadcat: This from someone who lives in the Sunset, SF? |
| 23:43.40 | karsten | peterS: s/today/tonight/ |
| 23:43.44 | mwilson | Ok, I'm always concerned when one of the UPS's turns on and the other two don't... |
| 23:43.46 | karsten | !shoot me. |
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| 23:43.53 | malacaton | hi |
| 23:43.54 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.05 | Guerin | !blame airlines |
| 23:44.06 | karsten | mwilson: UParnoidS. |
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| 23:44.21 | Guerin | well, maybe not the internet, but they are a source of great evil |
| 23:44.56 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:44.58 | Guerin | ust as a matter of curiosity, is it usual for a national carrier to be very hard to contact from outside its own country? |
| 23:45.06 | FieldySnuts | @hump dpkg |
| 23:45.14 | cafuego | !blame Guerin for global warming |
| 23:45.18 | FieldySnuts | adead? i definately didn't do that |
| 23:45.34 | helix | "set 1308" |
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| 23:45.50 | Guerin | i'm having a right bastard of a time calling airnz for a refund; they keep giving me tollfree numbers I can't call from overseas, and telling me to go to my local travel center, which is nearly 10,000km away |
| 23:46.02 | cafuego | Guerin: <heh> |
| 23:46.17 | sanxiyn | simpleparse_2.0.0-3_i386.changes ACCEPTED |
| 23:46.17 | sanxiyn | Thank you for your contribution to Debian. |
| 23:46.20 | cafuego | Guerin: Did you TELL them you can't call those numbers from overseas? |
| 23:46.20 | peterS | Guerin: that's kind of stretching the definition of 'local' |
| 23:46.20 | sanxiyn | Yay! |
| 23:46.25 | Guerin | cafuego: YES |
| 23:46.28 | Eclipser | does debian kernel packages automatically modify lilo.conf? |
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| 23:46.37 | sanxiyn | Eclipser: Yes. |
| 23:46.40 | Eclipser | ok good |
| 23:46.41 | cafuego | Guerin: Did you verify they LISTENED and UNDERSTOOD ? |
| 23:46.42 | Guerin | that's the stupid thing. My email started with Hi, I'm in Korea and... |
| 23:46.52 | duncf | anyone have any idea why firefox things my profile is already in use when it clearly isnt? |
| 23:46.56 | karsten | Guerin: One thing I learned in AU/NZ: US levels of customer service (in terms of 24/7 access, not actual results) lack. |
| 23:47.00 | cafuego | Guerin: Nooo, speak to person, explain, be helped. |
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| 23:47.08 | sanxiyn | duncf: killall firefox-bin. |
| 23:47.20 | cafuego | karsten: Customer service in AU sucks too. It's all indians these days. |
| 23:47.21 | karsten | Guerin: think locally, act globally. |
| 23:47.24 | duncf | sanxiyn: yeah, tried that |
| 23:47.24 | Phated | s/explain/speak loudly/ if necessary. |
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| 23:47.35 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. |
| 23:47.35 | duncf | sanxiyn: somethings much more messed up than that :-) |
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| 23:47.47 | Eclipser | duncf, remove ~/.mozilla/firefox/<somecrap>.default/lock |
| 23:47.53 | Guerin | cafuego: can't. No number to call. Tried the generic number, got answer machine (worse than email). Tried the koru club number, got told to enter my damn membership number, which I don't have since I'm not a mamber |
| 23:47.57 | Guerin | or a member |
| 23:47.58 | karsten | Guerin: Paid by credit card? Can you just deny payment? |
| 23:47.59 | cafuego | karsten: "I got no electricity! - Just put some more dung on your furnace, sir" |
| 23:48.05 | mwilson | Remove firefox itself while you're at it. |
| 23:48.14 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. |
| 23:48.14 | Guerin | karsten: nope, had to pay cash at the terminal.... long story |
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| 23:48.17 | Eclipser | mwilson, pft :< |
| 23:48.19 | cafuego | Guerin: if it depends your membership number, press # |
| 23:48.24 | cafuego | s/depends/demands/ |
| 23:48.25 | Cyanophytes | I use dhcp to configure my network card is that better than manually entering the info. Because for some reason I can't recieve or send files in irc |
| 23:48.28 | thomas_adam | links2. |
| 23:48.29 | blue_ | is there any hard in your processor being at 100% all the time |
| 23:48.33 | blue_ | harm* |
| 23:48.38 | duncf | mwilson: did that too :-) |
| 23:48.41 | sanxiyn | blue_: Not much. |
| 23:48.45 | Guerin | karsten: yeah, those of us who have worked in service in NZ think all you americans are a bunch of demanding uptight wankers, too :) |
| 23:48.47 | cafuego | Guerin: With enough key-bashing even Qantas lets you speak to a human. |
| 23:48.50 | karsten | Cyanophytes: That's orthogonal issues. |
| 23:48.52 | blue_ | thanks |
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| 23:49.08 | sanxiyn | (I think Debian machines are always at 100% :-) |
| 23:49.12 | mwilson | Guerin: We are. Your point? |
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| 23:49.19 | Guerin | mwilson: has been made :) |
| 23:49.29 | Cyanophytes | karsten: orthogonal? |
| 23:49.29 | stew | i was on an automated, voice driven menu system today, and I screamed hEEELlLP into it, and it actually got me rerouted to a human |
| 23:49.38 | Guerin | stew: awesome |
| 23:49.46 | simonrvn | whoah |
| 23:49.46 | karsten | Cyanophytes: Unrelated. |
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| 23:49.53 | peterS | blue_: the one problem with working your CPU 100% is that it heats up. if you don't have adequate cooling, that'll eventually cause problems. if you do, it shouldn't |
| 23:49.56 | sanxiyn | Cyanophytes: independant |
| 23:49.59 | karsten | Cyanophytes: Strictly speaking: independent mathematical relationshops. |
| 23:50.01 | stew | Guerin: the automated system said, 'i understand you'd like to speak to a representitive...." |
| 23:50.03 | karsten | s/shops/ships/ |
| 23:50.08 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:50.09 | stew | it was pretty nicde |
| 23:50.09 | asuffield | I often find a modem negotiation squeal works wonders |
| 23:50.11 | c00l | what's "Serial line is looped back"? how to fix? |
| 23:50.12 | Guerin | stew: that's way cool |
| 23:50.16 | cafuego | Guerin: http://www.airnewzealand.co.kr/files/500/etc/contact_us.htm |
| 23:50.21 | asuffield | it's amazing how many of those systems will respond in some manner |
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| 23:50.26 | asuffield | (typically by dropping you to the operator) |
| 23:50.29 | cafuego | Guerin: you're welcome |
| 23:50.29 | blue_ | peters: I have the built in fan, thats about it, its a standard 2.4 p4 |
| 23:50.55 | Guerin | wtf |
| 23:51.00 | Guerin | !cafuego++ |
| 23:51.04 | arafangion | blue_: It's pretty hard to cook a P4. |
| 23:51.12 | karsten | Scary thing about a lot of automated phone response systems -- you know the ones that say "this call may be monitored"? |
| 23:51.21 | karsten | ....they monitor _the_ _whole_ _call_. |
| 23:51.24 | Guerin | karsten: heh, that they monitor you while on hold? |
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| 23:51.25 | simonrvn | arafangion: not really. unplug fan |
| 23:51.31 | karsten | Including when you're in the phone menu itself. |
| 23:51.34 | deadcat | karsten: ah.. bind j focus down heheh |
| 23:51.38 | mwilson | When did it become hard to cook a P4? |
| 23:51.40 | Guerin | karsten: that's old news, it's just since the NTY got a hold on it that anyone cared |
| 23:51.40 | asuffield | karsten: and they monitor about one call in five |
| 23:51.40 | blue_ | alright, appriciate the help |
| 23:51.46 | arafangion | simonrvn: I once had a wire stuck in the fan - the design was such that it hooked onto it's own powercord. |
| 23:51.48 | karsten | Yes. And they sample them to find out how frustrated people are getting. |
| 23:51.50 | asuffield | so you're probably being monitored |
| 23:51.58 | karsten | Guerin: NTY? |
| 23:52.03 | karsten | Guerin: NYT? |
| 23:52.09 | Guerin | karsten: a lot of places purposefully put customers on hold and listen to what they say, as a fraud detection/prevention measure |
| 23:52.14 | Guerin | yeah, NYT |
| 23:52.14 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah, it's old news, but a lot of folks don't know. |
| 23:52.23 | karsten | Guerin: Really? _That_ I didn't know. |
| 23:52.26 | directhex | it's hard to cook pentium-m. without a cooker, anyway |
| 23:52.33 | arafangion | simonrvn: ANd it still worked. Computer would freeze at exactly 91 degrees celius, but other than that, no big issue. |
| 23:52.47 | arafangion | simonrvn: Or rather, at exactly 92.0 degrees. |
| 23:52.47 | karsten | asuffield: Monitoring rates vary. But it's more than people think. |
| 23:52.49 | Guerin | karsten: banks, tax depts, credit agencies, debt collectors, etc. |
| 23:52.55 | simonrvn | "no big issue" s/he says |
| 23:52.59 | karsten | Guerin: Reference on that? |
| 23:53.05 | Guerin | karsten: experience in same |
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| 23:53.14 | arafangion | simonrvn: I know for a fact that that particular CPU in that particular cmoputer works reliably at 91 degrees. |
| 23:53.18 | simonrvn | almost the boiling point of water... |
| 23:53.32 | arafangion | simonrvn: It is the boiling point of water here... |
| 23:53.39 | Guerin | karsten: it may or may not be written policy, but it is common procedure |
| 23:53.39 | arafangion | Just about. |
| 23:53.41 | simonrvn | i freak when i see 40 |
| 23:53.48 | simonrvn | arafangion: up high? |
| 23:53.53 | arafangion | simonrvn: Most systems run at 60. |
| 23:54.08 | karsten | Guerin: The monitoring in those cases is realtime? |
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| 23:54.36 | cafuego | arafangion: The CPU might be happy at 120C, but if the chipset overheats it'll still do poo. |
| 23:54.42 | simonrvn | arafangion: by up high i meant altitude, not temperature |
| 23:54.42 | Guerin | karsten: not necessarily, but in many cases the application or decision or whatever doesn't go through for a few days anyway |
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| 23:54.48 | simonrvn | arafangion: :) |
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| 23:54.55 | arafangion | simonrvn: Yes :) |
| 23:55.07 | karsten | Guerin: Hrm. |
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| 23:55.15 | simonrvn | arafangion: may i ask what location you're in? |
| 23:55.26 | tbird | im doing a netinstall of sarge i picked a verry slow mirror how do i change it ? |
| 23:55.35 | karsten | Guerin: I love how businesses are all about getting _your_ money out of _your_ pocket as soon as possible, while delaying _their_ order fulfillment. |
| 23:55.37 | arafangion | simonrvn: Mountains in NSW. |
| 23:55.48 | Guerin | karsten: oh yeah. Nothing works both ways. |
| 23:55.49 | asuffield | hysteresis point is typically around 85-90 degrees. burnout point isn't far beyond that |
| 23:56.02 | karsten | Guerin: ...not that it doesn't make a certain amount of sense, but a tad bit less hypocrisy and more recipricocity might be nice. |
| 23:56.10 | mwilson | tbird: What's the big deal? As long as it's moving, what difference does it make? |
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| 23:56.19 | sanxiyn | tbird: base-config again? |
| 23:56.24 | arafangion | It's amazing how businesses change when you become a "common customer spending heaps". |
| 23:56.32 | simonrvn | arafangion: i see :) |
| 23:56.36 | arafangion | I mean, a "big client". |
| 23:56.40 | Guerin | karsten: yeah. |
| 23:56.48 | tbird | sanxiyn: thnx |
| 23:56.59 | asuffield | arafangion: it's all about the distinction between "client", "customer", and "consumer" |
| 23:57.04 | arafangion | And start ordering $4800 printers from a store that normally only sells $700 printers. |
| 23:57.05 | Guerin | haha - korean airnz has the nz nat anthem as ring tone |
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| 23:57.21 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Heh. |
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| 23:57.28 | asuffield | a client is an equal partner in the relationship. a customer is in a relationship with the provider. a consumer is somebody upon whom the provider shovels their shit |
| 23:57.29 | Guerin | in maori |
| 23:57.31 | c00l | what's "Serial line is looped back"? how to fix? |
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| 23:58.01 | arafangion | sanxiyn: Care to elaborate? |
| 23:58.11 | Guerin | and ... an answerphone, with a message in korean |
| 23:58.16 | Guerin | hurrah |
| 23:58.21 | sanxiyn | arafangion: Have you used both? |
| 23:58.25 | dexter__ | Hmm? |
| 23:58.29 | arafangion | Guerin: I have an unpaid credit bill. |
| 23:58.30 | dexter__ | wrong window :p |
| 23:58.49 | arafangion | Guerin: I'm deaf - but it appears that the only way I can figure out how much to pay is currently by phone. |
| 23:59.01 | arafangion | Guerin: How's that? :) |
| 23:59.19 | arafangion | sanxiyn: I tried OBSD once. |
| 23:59.25 | Guerin | arafangion: if that's not a good incentive for the bank to sort out their UI policy I don't know what is |
| 23:59.27 | arafangion | sanxiyn: Didn't survive the installation. |
| 23:59.33 | karsten | Guerin: http://www.iw.com/magazine.php?inc=060102/06.01.02businesslab.html |
| 23:59.37 | sanxiyn | arafangion: FreeBSD is much better, believe me. |
| 23:59.41 | sanxiyn | (NetBSD isn't bad, too.) |
