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| 00:00.06 | arafangion | sanxiyn: What's the advantage of using BSD, btw? |
| 00:00.10 | dexter__ | What do i need to play .wmv-files in totem? |
| 00:00.27 | Guerin | dexter__: /msg dpkg marillat; get w32codecs |
| 00:00.27 | sanxiyn | arafangion: Well, some people like BSD more, no? |
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| 00:00.44 | sanxiyn | (I don't any more, that's why I'm on Debian system now) |
| 00:01.12 | arafangion | sanxiyn: Yes, and Mac os X is BSD, but I still don't see any advantages. |
| 00:01.20 | dexter__ | Guerin: Deosn't work? :P |
| 00:01.24 | arafangion | sanxiyn: Possibly because I've never tried it. |
| 00:01.31 | mwilson | arafangion: Then don't use it. Problem solved. |
| 00:01.32 | sanxiyn | arafangion: Any disadvantage then? |
| 00:01.38 | Guerin | !tell dexter__ about doesn't work |
| 00:01.39 | karsten | arafangion: Unified development, ports, BSDisms (mostly init, csh, sh), focusses among the main branches (general computing/network x86, security, portability). |
| 00:01.47 | karsten | arafangion: ...and BSD licensing, if that means anything to you. |
| 00:01.49 | sanxiyn | arafangion: Some thinks FreeBSD's port system is cleaner. Don't ask me why. |
| 00:01.53 | dexter__ | oh now. |
| 00:01.54 | dexter__ | it's slow |
| 00:02.07 | prahal | where does mail sent to an impossible bug report goes ? (unknow@bugs.debian.org ?) |
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| 00:02.41 | arafangion | What do you mean by Unified development? |
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| 00:02.43 | sanxiyn | (FreeBSD is in 5.4 port freeze, by the way) |
| 00:02.55 | arafangion | I do like BSD licensing, though. |
| 00:02.56 | sanxiyn | arafangion: Linux is a kernel. BSD is a base system. |
| 00:03.02 | sanxiyn | arafangion: That makes difference. |
| 00:03.07 | Guerin | karsten: i've worked with a system like that - except on cel300s, as soon as your machine starts recording a call, the whole thing goes dog-slow so you know when you're being taped :) |
| 00:03.07 | arafangion | sanxiyn: Well, let's compare it to Debian, then. |
| 00:03.13 | JoshH | bsd is a kernel with other stuff added in to form a base system |
| 00:03.17 | JoshH | just like debian |
| 00:03.20 | JoshH | dont be ridiculous |
| 00:03.24 | karsten | Guerin: Heh. |
| 00:03.26 | sanxiyn | arafangion: That's where "unified development" comes in, then. |
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| 00:03.45 | sanxiyn | (Does Debian "base system" come from same upstream?) |
| 00:04.04 | nano_ | can anyone help me setup alsa in debian? |
| 00:04.08 | arafangion | sanxiyn: So... There's no real difference then? Software in *BSD isn't neccessary under the BSD license, afaik... |
| 00:04.11 | mwilson | sanxiyn: hardly. |
| 00:04.20 | JoshH | no, but does it make that much difference? no. besides, freebsd uses gcc and sendmail and other stuff from different upstreams in their base too. |
| 00:04.21 | karsten | Guerin: What really scared me was less the issue of taping calls than the level of performance (of CSRs) that was deamed "acceptable". One case... |
| 00:04.30 | Guerin | karsten: oh yeah. |
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| 00:04.42 | JoshH | ooooohhh, the same people make ls, tar, and the kernel! omg!!!! |
| 00:04.45 | mwilson | arafangion: I don't know about the other two, but software "in" OpenBSD is most definately BSD-licensed. |
| 00:04.52 | karsten | Guerin: ...auto insurance. The customer thought they were discussing premiums. The CSR was talking mileage. $13,000 is rather different from 13,000m. |
| 00:05.01 | Guerin | karsten: hahaha |
| 00:05.02 | nano_ | can anyone help me setup alsa in debian? |
| 00:05.10 | karsten | !tell nano_ about sound |
| 00:05.14 | Guerin | nano_: #debian helps those who help themselves |
| 00:05.16 | karsten | !tell nano_ about alsa |
| 00:05.33 | arafangion | mwilson: So, there's no KDE and stuffin OBSD? |
| 00:05.35 | prahal | sanxiyn: well GNU/Linux :) |
| 00:05.51 | sanxiyn | arafangion: Not in base, yes. |
| 00:06.03 | sanxiyn | arafangion: That's why they have port... |
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| 00:06.09 | arafangion | sanxiyn: I see. |
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| 00:07.33 | toomboy | oh shit. heh. my fingers slipped and i just typed this "dd bs=1024k count=10 < /dev/zero > /dev/sd," will that , do anything to my other devices lmao |
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| 00:07.38 | prahal | sanxiyn: well debian don't have kde in base too (thank divinity for that) |
| 00:07.48 | dexter__ | Guerin: Err. It deosn't help me :P |
| 00:07.49 | Guerin | toomboy: haha, you're fucked |
| 00:07.52 | dexter__ | It deosn't reply |
| 00:07.53 | Guerin | dexter__: why not? |
| 00:08.07 | Guerin | dexter__: define 'it' |
| 00:08.09 | toomboy | guerin: seriously :/ cuz it did say record in / out |
| 00:08.12 | sanxiyn | Guerin: The bot? |
| 00:08.17 | dexter__ | Guerin: dpkg.. |
| 00:08.22 | prahal | toomboy: fix your fingers , proper working ones does rm -Rf / |
| 00:08.28 | Guerin | !marillat |
| 00:08.28 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
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| 00:08.36 | Guerin | dexter__: can you see that ^? |
| 00:08.45 | jakobbg | Why doesn't a 2.6.11-kernel-image exist for unstable? |
| 00:08.47 | dexter__ | i see that |
| 00:08.49 | nano_ | I am using debian sarge with 2.4 kernal. I ran "dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source" and chose my driver, what do I do next? |
| 00:08.57 | toomboy | prahal: maybe we should change keyboard layout so , isnt next to m |
| 00:08.57 | toomboy | :) |
| 00:08.58 | peterS | jakobbg: it will soon |
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| 00:09.05 | Guerin | nano_: use a 2.6 kernel for alsa |
| 00:09.05 | thingfish | jakobbg: because it's not ready yet. |
| 00:09.05 | assassin | Is there an emacs-nox? I don't want XFree... cause GUI's teh devil... |
| 00:09.17 | Guerin | assassin: apt-cache search emacs |
| 00:09.21 | peterS | jakobbg: consider the fact that 6 minor revisions of 2.6.11 have been released. do *you* want to track them for an unstable release? |
| 00:09.24 | prahal | toomboy: yu where not kidding , god ! |
| 00:09.34 | Karhuton | What keyword for dpkg to find out how to use multiple audio sources in alsa? |
| 00:09.36 | Guerin | assassin: you might want to grep that as well |
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| 00:09.43 | Guerin | karsten: dmix |
| 00:09.46 | Guerin | ehh |
| 00:09.49 | Guerin | Karhuton: ^^^ |
| 00:09.50 | Karhuton | Sometime ago the default alsa configuration disabled the multiple sources :-( |
| 00:09.56 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
| 00:10.01 | jakobbg | peterS: Good point. Thanks for the info. I'll await the image. |
| 00:10.05 | karsten | Guerin: NM |
| 00:10.38 | mwilson | <sigh> vim packaging broken again... |
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| 00:11.14 | prahal | tomb0y: ls /dev/hd, |
| 00:11.14 | prahal | ls: /dev/hd,: No such file or directory |
| 00:11.24 | prahal | tomb0y: so it did nothing did it ? |
| 00:11.37 | Rawplayer | lo |
| 00:12.22 | prahal | tomb0y: it may have created "/dev/sd," that s all |
| 00:12.25 | toomboy | ls /dev/sd, |
| 00:12.26 | toomboy | /dev/sd, |
| 00:12.40 | toomboy | prahal: thats what it looks like heh |
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| 00:12.48 | Arafangion | Anyone here use jabber, btw? |
| 00:12.48 | toomboy | prahal: wipes sweat off forhead lmao |
| 00:12.58 | cheal | Arafangion: obviously |
| 00:13.01 | prahal | thanks that unix does not try to guess what we want to do :o) |
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| 00:13.28 | Arafangion | cheal: Pardon? |
| 00:13.39 | cheal | Arafangion: yes (really) |
| 00:13.45 | Guerin | Arafangion: what would be the point of freenode merging with jabber? |
| 00:14.01 | Guerin | Arafangion: i mean... it'd be a massive technical nightmare with nil gain |
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| 00:15.00 | witless | Arafangion: i'm disappointed to learn that jabber apparently doesn't support digest authentication without having the password in plaintext on a server somewhere |
| 00:15.01 | bowman | heya. how do I find out which process is listening on port x? |
| 00:15.14 | Arafangion | witless: What? |
| 00:15.22 | Arafangion | witless: What makes you think that? |
| 00:15.40 | witless | my discussion on jdev |
| 00:15.57 | Guerin | bowman: man netstat |
| 00:15.59 | Arafangion | witless: I was under the impression that ssl connections are available. |
| 00:16.06 | witless | yes |
| 00:16.11 | Guerin | Arafangion: ssl != digest |
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| 00:16.15 | witless | i'm talking about password storage on server side |
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| 00:16.31 | assassin | Guerin: apt-cache search emacs | grep ^emacs #doesn't show any emacs that don't depend on XFree |
| 00:16.31 | bluefox83 | anyone here know how to add filetypes and action definitions to mozilla firefox? |
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| 00:17.10 | cheal | bluefox83: did you know about irc.mozilla.org? |
| 00:17.19 | bowman | oh, the p option - thanks Guerin :) |
| 00:17.22 | sanxiyn | assassin: emacs21-nox. |
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| 00:17.46 | sanxiyn | assassin: Actually, your commandline does find that, no? |
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| 00:17.53 | Greyhawk_Dragon | Hello. |
| 00:18.02 | bluefox83 | cheal, no |
| 00:18.07 | assassin | sanxiyn: I'm not seeing it... is it in contrib? |
| 00:18.10 | narg | hrm... I stuffed my system time (heh), any random public timerservers around? |
| 00:18.24 | mwilson | Usually your ISP runs one. |
| 00:18.29 | sanxiyn | Oh, strange. |
| 00:18.33 | sanxiyn | !info emacs21-nox |
| 00:18.34 | narg | ok, Ill check that |
| 00:18.35 | dpkg | emacs21-nox: (The GNU Emacs editor (without X support)), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.4a-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1769 kB, Installed size: 5488 kB |
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| 00:18.43 | sanxiyn | !info emacs21-nox testing |
| 00:18.50 | Guerin | assassin: hrm, there used to be a -nox package. |
| 00:18.54 | dpkg | emacs21-nox: (The GNU Emacs editor (without X support)), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.4a-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1769 kB, Installed size: 5488 kB |
| 00:18.58 | Guerin | oh, there is one for xemacs |
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| 00:19.05 | assassin | I'm looking at stable |
| 00:19.05 | Greyhawk_Dragon | I'm trying to find a zd1211 debian package for my 3com OfficeConnect 11g USB dongle. |
| 00:19.09 | sanxiyn | assassin: Ah. |
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| 00:19.19 | Arafangion | Guerin: Please elaborate. |
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| 00:19.52 | assassin | I suppose I could always get it off sarge |
| 00:19.54 | Arafangion | Encrypted s2s communications are currently in the works, afaik. |
| 00:20.04 | Arafangion | And in any case, wouldn't this be more secure than irc as it is? |
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| 00:21.02 | Guerin | Arafangion: eh? |
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| 00:21.48 | Guerin | assassin: it just pulls in some x client libs... no big deal. |
| 00:21.59 | virgomoon | Does anyone know when we could expect Sarge to be released at stable? |
| 00:22.06 | Guerin | !topicbadger virgomoon |
| 00:22.07 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that virgomoon didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 00:22.29 | Arafangion | Guerin: For instance, every user that users jabber would be registered. |
| 00:22.29 | Guerin | assassin: the sarge package will break woody unless you bfs |
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| 00:22.45 | cafuego | Look mate, if you're worried about bloat, you shouldn't be using emacs *at* *all* |
| 00:22.50 | Guerin | Arafangion: woah, backtrack. You asked me to elaborate on something, but I have no idea what |
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| 00:23.19 | Arafangion | Guerin: Oh, the difference between ssl and digest, I *do* know that you can have tls authentication. |
| 00:23.32 | assassin | Guerin: Sorry... bfs? |
| 00:23.39 | Guerin | assassin: build from source |
| 00:23.48 | Arafangion | Guerin: I am wondering, however, why witless is complaining about this aspect, when irc doesn't do anything fancy like this *at all*. |
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| 00:24.02 | assassin | Guerin: Ah, gotcha... thanks |
| 00:24.26 | Guerin | Arafangion: irc doesn't provide any illusions of username security |
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| 00:24.51 | Guerin | Arafangion: jabber, and other im-like protocols, by requiring registration and passwordery, do. |
| 00:25.32 | Arafangion | Guerin: /nickserv provides an illusion. |
| 00:25.36 | Rawplayer | is there anything known with refuseing to dele ip rule's in linux |
| 00:25.39 | Rawplayer | delte |
| 00:25.42 | Rawplayer | delete |
| 00:25.42 | Guerin | Arafangion: not to anyone with 1/100th of a clue |
| 00:25.46 | Arafangion | Guerin: But some clients *are* trying to address that, by using the lock icons. |
| 00:26.05 | Arafangion | Guerin: Like a webbrowser, either exodus or jbother do that, last I checked. |
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| 00:29.07 | XTR | I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it's asking me for my video card bus identifier? What do I put in? |
| 00:29.15 | markybob | hit enter |
| 00:29.19 | markybob | if you dont know, dont bother |
| 00:29.28 | satHan | XTR don't worry about it unless you have dual graphics cards |
| 00:29.38 | satHan | XTR: in which case, you shouldnt be using dpkg-reconfigure anyway.. |
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| 00:29.43 | XTR | Oh shaaa. Thanks. I thought I was stuck forever. |
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| 00:30.08 | satHan | XTR: If you care though, you could look it up with lspci |
| 00:30.10 | DoctaBu | is there an apt-get package for xfce |
| 00:30.19 | satHan | XTR: that would give you the bus ID |
| 00:30.27 | XTR | And the other thing, if I'm running Debian as a VM guest in VM, what video card driver do I use? |
| 00:30.30 | Guerin | !tell DoctaBu about search |
| 00:30.38 | DoctaBu | :) |
| 00:30.45 | DoctaBu | Hey! It's Guerin |
| 00:30.46 | XTR | satHan Kew. |
| 00:30.56 | PerfDave | XTR: Use the driver for the video hardware that the VM host provides. |
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| 00:31.14 | DoctaBu | Guerin- remember my debian problems? |
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| 00:31.21 | Guerin | DoctaBu: not really |
| 00:31.29 | DoctaBu | The CDROM drive not working correctly? |
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| 00:31.31 | Guerin | oh, you couldn't install, right |
| 00:31.34 | DoctaBu | Right. |
| 00:31.43 | DoctaBu | I ordered a new drive on eBay... got it, it's working fine. :) |
| 00:31.48 | Guerin | hah |
| 00:31.49 | XTR | PerfDave Cool. vmware tools stil needs some tweaking to work correctly in Debian, that right? |
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| 00:32.06 | PerfDave | XTR: Dunno, I've not used vmware, just qemu. Can't afford vmware :) |
| 00:32.14 | XTR | Kew. |
| 00:32.15 | DoctaBu | Would anybody know how to go about setting up drivers for a webcam? |
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| 00:32.27 | Guerin | DoctaBu: depends on the webcam. Google. |
| 00:32.30 | abrotman | Phated: where'd you go? |
| 00:32.33 | DoctaBu | Ok. |
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| 00:34.27 | Phated | abrotman: ? |
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| 00:36.03 | abrotman | Phated: where'd you go? |
| 00:36.33 | tucker | hi!, anybody can help me? |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | !ask |
| 00:36.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 00:38.13 | abrotman | tucker: that was for you |
| 00:38.29 | tucker | i've a problem with with synaptic [sorry, for english im spanish. |
| 00:38.36 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:38.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:38.39 | abrotman | if that would be easier |
| 00:39.15 | PlasmaPain | !pt |
| 00:39.16 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:39.16 | tucker | when i select a package, synaptic close! |
| 00:39.35 | cheal | tucker: what's your synaptic version? |
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| 00:40.01 | tucker | 0.53.4 |
| 00:40.02 | abrotman | use apt-get ? |
| 00:40.08 | abrotman | !info synaptic sarge |
| 00:40.18 | dpkg | synaptic: (Graphical package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.55+cvs20050218-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1544 kB, Installed size: 4624 kB |
| 00:40.23 | tucker | apt-get is ok |
| 00:40.28 | Eclipser | !info synaptic woody |
| 00:40.31 | dpkg | synaptic: (GUI-frontend for APT), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.16-6 (woody), Packaged size: 220 kB, Installed size: 656 kB |
| 00:40.37 | Eclipser | ouch |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | tucker: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
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| 00:40.57 | abrotman | tucker: get up to date first |
| 00:40.59 | tucker | i have debian sarge |
| 00:41.09 | abrotman | yes .. but you're not up to date |
| 00:41.12 | abrotman | !info synaptic sarge |
| 00:41.16 | abrotman | this is the version you should have |
| 00:41.17 | dpkg | synaptic: (Graphical package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.55+cvs20050218-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1544 kB, Installed size: 4624 kB |
| 00:41.20 | abrotman | but yours isn't |
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| 00:41.32 | abrotman | tucker: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 00:41.38 | abrotman | get up to date first . see if it still crashes |
| 00:42.33 | Eclipser | mine doesn't crash, but I don't use it very much either |
| 00:42.33 | tucker | i had upgrade and update with apt-get |
| 00:42.39 | Eclipser | do it again |
| 00:42.42 | abrotman | tucker: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | tucker: dist-upgrade .. not upgrade |
| 00:42.52 | tucker | apt-get run ok |
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| 00:43.04 | abrotman | tucker: i'm telling you to use dist-upgrade .. not just upgrade |
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| 00:43.42 | tucker | ok |
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| 00:46.02 | vampire | hi, i need some help with the GMT configuration |
| 00:46.10 | tucker | i have error message |
| 00:46.12 | vampire | how can i remove the auto GMT setting? |
| 00:46.26 | abrotman | you can reconfigure your timezone |
| 00:46.31 | abrotman | tucker: you have error message? |
| 00:46.38 | tucker | yes |
| 00:46.45 | vampire | abrotman how? |
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| 00:46.59 | tucker | Desempaquetando ndiswrapper-utils (de .../ndiswrapper-utils_0.12-1_i386.deb) ... |
| 00:47.00 | tucker | dpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/ndiswrapper-utils_0.12-1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 00:47.00 | tucker | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.00 | tucker | dpkg-deb: el subproceso paste fue terminado por la señal (Tubería rota) |
| 00:47.00 | tucker | Se encontraron errores al procesar: |
| 00:47.00 | FieldySnuts | @error tucker |
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| 00:47.11 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | vampire: tzconfig or dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 00:47.36 | FieldySnuts | @irritate test |
| 00:47.39 | ravenbird | $1: hi every1 how can I make my lindows werkz ????? |
| 00:47.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:47.50 | FieldySnuts | hm |
| 00:47.55 | abrotman | busted! |
| 00:48.02 | vampire | thank you, abrotman |
| 00:48.02 | FieldySnuts | not me |
| 00:48.07 | vampire | cya, guys |
| 00:48.28 | abrotman | another satisfied customer! |
| 00:49.00 | Eclipser | they pay you? o.O |
| 00:49.16 | daaku | anyone know if i can make a router act more like a hub? (got 2 routers, and 2 networks, need to combine them!) |
| 00:49.28 | staniel | daaku: turn off dhcp |
| 00:49.49 | abrotman | don't use the wan port? |
| 00:50.08 | abrotman | or get a real switch? |
| 00:51.10 | rjmonna | \quti |
| 00:51.12 | rjmonna | \quit |
| 00:51.15 | abrotman | other way |
| 00:51.21 | rjmonna | oeps |
| 00:51.22 | abrotman | dos users . yeesh |
| 00:51.24 | rjmonna | oops |
| 00:51.26 | rjmonna | argh |
| 00:51.29 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:51.33 | rjmonna | sorry |
| 00:51.35 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:53.21 | peterS | FieldySnuts: now now, that isn't nice |
| 00:53.30 | FieldySnuts | good |
| 00:53.31 | peterS | /disco is only supported on some clients anyway |
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| 00:55.37 | PerfDave | Damn you, FieldySnuts |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:59.44 | circle- | hey I am upgrading to sarge from woody, I have the following in my source.list. deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian woody main non-free contrib, when I change the woody to sarge it does not work because the directory is not there for non-free. What is non-free and is it important? |
| 01:00.24 | cheal | !tell circle- about sections |
| 01:01.03 | cheal | circle-: it's probably simply not an official mirror, and doesn't contain non-free |
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| 01:01.22 | Opiated | I have 3 pc's using the wireless router for inter, and two pcs connected through ethernet, they all get used a lot, I just got a cheap 500mhz pc with 128 mb ram and I want to use it for a proxy server, what is a good proxy software that I can use to store internet web cache so make things a bit faster for all users |
| 01:01.42 | circle- | cool thanks, do you know of a non-free server? |
| 01:01.49 | circle- | for sarge |
| 01:02.05 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 01:02.05 | dpkg | methinks non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html or tack non-free to the end of your usual "main" source to install stuff like navigator. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end ... |
| 01:02.19 | zeo33x | once i add a user to a group how come `id` doesnt seem to detect the change? |
| 01:02.22 | PerfDave | Sarge doesn't have non-free. |
| 01:02.31 | RjY | zeo33x --- you have to log out and log back in again |
| 01:02.37 | PerfDave | zeo33x: It only applies when you log in. |
| 01:02.44 | PerfDave | No, wait, I'm talking shit. |
| 01:02.47 | PerfDave | Sarge doesn't have non-US. |
| 01:02.54 | circle- | lol |
| 01:03.12 | cheal | PerfDave: hehe. but I think sarge has non-US too |
| 01:03.28 | cheal | from what was said earlier it's just unmaintained stuff though |
| 01:03.43 | zeo33x | RjY: grr.. how annoying. xterm doesnt work either |
| 01:03.44 | zeo33x | ? |
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| 01:05.21 | abrotman | cheal: yes . i believe that is true |
| 01:05.25 | abrotman | xterm alwys works@ |
| 01:05.32 | distempr | Meh, any way to have a program not load when you double click a data file in nautilus. Like, double click a jpg and have gimp just open it in it's currently running instance? Feel free to spank me over using nautilus... |
| 01:05.43 | murri | where i can download sarge netinst cd |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | !d-i murri |
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| 01:05.49 | dpkg | murri, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 01:05.57 | abrotman | murri: get the 110MB image |
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| 01:06.38 | murri | abrotman: thanx |
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| 01:07.15 | distempr | /disco dance \o/ |
| 01:07.26 | murri | abrotman: is thi ok http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:07.53 | abrotman | murri: should be .. about 105MB or so |
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| 01:08.00 | murri | allright |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | mm .. food |
| 01:09.03 | pseubodot | mmm |
| 01:09.31 | abrotman | !smack pseubodot |
| 01:09.42 | abrotman | Phated: why do you hate us so? |
| 01:09.45 | Eclipser | mmm |
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| 01:11.09 | set-x | hi |
| 01:11.29 | set-x | what do i have to comment out again to only allow ssh logins with a pub key? |
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| 01:11.44 | set-x | PasswordAuthentication? |
| 01:11.50 | elysium702 | I'd like to apply a patch to my kernel. Is there a debian-specific way to do this? Is so, where can I find info? |
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| 01:11.51 | mwilson | Both. |
| 01:12.05 | mwilson | Turn off password authentication, and don't let it use PAM. |
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| 01:14.03 | Opiated | how do i clean the system from orphaned libraries that got left behind after removing software and such, things that you get installed with apt-get cuz they are dependencies, but don't get removed |
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| 01:14.32 | maher | Opiated: deborphan |
| 01:14.42 | scarynetworkguy | Opiated: deporphan and debfoster |
| 01:15.01 | Opiated | ok thanks |
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| 01:18.20 | toomboy | i have a highpoint rocketraid 454 card.. that contains extra drives, os drive is on mobo ide channel. why when i use the hpt37x driver in kernel, kernel panics on boot, but if i enable scis and use the 3rd party support it works, like why would it be making the drives on the card when set as ide drives override /dev/hda ? |
| 01:18.29 | deadcat | woohoo. screen(1) is rocking now... eheh |
| 01:20.40 | toomboy | like if i run a kernel with no support for hpt37x or scsi kernel loads just fine, but once i add support to hpt37x kernel wont boot since it cant find / anylonger since drive letters change. which shouldnt since its a card |
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| 01:21.32 | Opiated | how do I remove the listed packages, i did deborphan -a and it listed a good bit of them, how can i have those listed packages automatically removed instead of doing itmanually with -R pkg name |
| 01:21.39 | cafuego | Hmmm. 400GB harddisk. |
| 01:21.51 | Opiated | is that what the -Z option does |
| 01:21.54 | cafuego | Opiated: deborphan -a | xargs dpkg -P |
| 01:22.02 | deadcat | Opiated: debfoster is the best. sudo debfoster -n |
| 01:22.25 | abrotman | Opiated: you don't want to remove all those |
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| 01:24.03 | cafuego | set-x: And make SURE it works before you close that remote root login. |
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| 01:25.06 | Opiated | yes, i figured as much |
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| 01:30.12 | guorke | hi |
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| 01:31.12 | cafuego | Is it just me or is it a tad quiet today. |
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| 01:31.33 | Rawplayer | yes sorry |
| 01:31.39 | Eclipser | http://www.novell.com/linux/windowstolinux/publicservice/ :D |
| 01:31.40 | cafuego | try #test |
| 01:31.47 | pirx | how do i easily upgrade the kernel in debian? |
| 01:31.48 | Rawplayer | i have irrsi issues with joining a channel where you need registered |
| 01:32.02 | Rawplayer | its fixed :) |
| 01:32.04 | cafuego | Just make it auth at startup |
| 01:32.10 | zorxd | hi, I there somebody who can help me with my system that freeze when I enable the DRI extension with my M6 8MbDDR debian sarge xfree86 4,3 |
| 01:32.15 | Rawplayer | i need todo wait -freenode 2000 |
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| 01:32.21 | Eclipser | pirx, apt-cache search kernel-image- |
| 01:33.28 | abrotman | wtf is m6 ? |
| 01:33.42 | Eclipser | some graphics card perhaps? |
| 01:33.42 | Rawplayer | its a bold size |
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| 01:34.27 | zorxd | radeon mobility m6 |
| 01:34.36 | pirx | Eclipser: then just aptget install it and reboot? |
| 01:34.49 | Eclipser | yep |
| 01:35.09 | pirx | i need to install kernel headerfiles separately? |
| 01:35.18 | abrotman | zorxd: #ati |
| 01:35.39 | mwilson | <sigh> You know there's something wrong when tired ol' RealPlayer 8 can handle a stream that helix-player barfs on reliably. |
| 01:35.45 | Eclipser | pirx, if you need the headers for something, then yes |
| 01:35.54 | helix | helix-player hasn't been blessed by me |
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| 01:36.30 | abrotman | mwilson: helix-player doesn't handle all the same formats |
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| 01:36.50 | mwilson | Hm, helix-player deb includes a mozilla plugin... I suppose it's screwed up Mozilla now. |
| 01:36.56 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:39.33 | DesaixVeygoux | Americans are inferior mesocephalic prognathous barbarians |
| 01:39.41 | abrotman | is that all? |
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| 01:40.07 | InKySleep | how can i remotely change a boxes ip? i've changed interfaces but want to know how to ifup/ifdown in one command |
| 01:40.17 | ysothoth | Heh |
| 01:40.23 | cafuego | DesaixVeygoux: So go find an american channel and complain there. |
| 01:40.23 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:40.28 | DesaixVeygoux | cafuego: Haha |
| 01:40.29 | ysothoth | InKySleep: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 01:40.34 | ysothoth | Or what abrotman said. |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | cafuego: his IP would indicate he is american |
| 01:40.46 | InKySleep | fantastic |
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| 01:40.55 | InKySleep | thanks again :) |
| 01:40.56 | cafuego | abrotman: His hostname is a US-based one, yes. |
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| 01:41.09 | CharlesBrown | What do the processes getty do? |
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| 01:41.15 | cafuego | abrotman: That would at least explain the rude behaviour. |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | cafuego: hey .. i'm american . i'm not rude :) |
| 01:41.34 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: They listen on the console and print a login: prompt. |
| 01:41.42 | cafuego | abrotman: Pfff. Dream on. |
| 01:41.54 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm uppity :) |
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| 01:42.06 | CharlesBrown | How can I see what services/processes start with my machine? .. I"m using sarge |
| 01:42.13 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: 'rcconf' |
| 01:42.14 | CharlesBrown | gnome-pty-helper |
| 01:42.19 | CharlesBrown | Like that I don't want |
| 01:42.29 | abrotman | aren't you running gnome? |
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| 01:42.35 | DesaixVeygoux | cafuego: Debian NetBSD dead ? 17Download experimental install floppies (last updated 6th October 2002) |
| 01:42.36 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: Don't run gnome them |
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| 01:42.42 | DesaixVeygoux | cafuego: 2002 |
| 01:42.43 | sean_micken | hey is there a program to configure the network? |
| 01:42.43 | CharlesBrown | I'm not. |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | how can you say you don't want it .. if you don't know what it does? |
| 01:42.49 | CharlesBrown | I'm using xfce cafuego |
| 01:42.58 | abrotman | DesaixVeygoux: i think they have thier own channel |
| 01:43.10 | DesaixVeygoux | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 01:43.14 | cafuego | DesaixVeygoux: I think it be better I don't comment on netbsd. |
| 01:43.22 | jg121 | Ccharles: ls /etc/rc2.d |
| 01:43.49 | DesaixVeygoux | 2.0.1 has alot of worthy improvements |
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| 01:43.53 | abrotman | DesaixVeygoux: looks like i was wrong |
| 01:43.58 | DesaixVeygoux | NetBSD blackhole 2.0.1 NetBSD 2.0.1 (zev) #10: Mon Mar 28 19:49:30 EST 2005 naudix@blackhole:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/zev i386 |
| 01:44.05 | DesaixVeygoux | cafuego: :P |
| 01:44.10 | Cindux | does anyone know a good server for warez downloads? |
| 01:44.17 | Cindux | more specifically free warez |
| 01:44.19 | maher | Cindux: 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:44.21 | Cindux | not illegal |
| 01:44.29 | Cindux | = / |
| 01:44.30 | CharlesBrown | -Cindux- VERSION mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 01:44.31 | abrotman | free warez? |
| 01:44.32 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:44.35 | maher | sean_micken: etherconf |
| 01:44.38 | Cindux | er im kinda new |
| 01:44.39 | Cindux | like |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | Cindux: wrong channel |
| 01:44.41 | CharlesBrown | Cindux, /server 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:44.44 | Cindux | linux software |
| 01:44.47 | gravity | Cindux: You are so totally in the wrong place |
| 01:44.51 | Cindux | lol |
| 01:44.51 | deadcat | this any good? : http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4095922?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG |
| 01:44.52 | maher | Cindux: aren't warez illegal by definition? |
| 01:44.56 | abrotman | maher: yes |
| 01:44.58 | Cindux | bah then im confused |
| 01:45.00 | Cindux | I just got linux |
| 01:45.01 | DesaixVeygoux | Inly thing I'd warez would be 'mathematica' if I could |
| 01:45.04 | Cindux | im simply looking for a palce |
| 01:45.04 | DesaixVeygoux | oops |
| 01:45.08 | Cindux | to download linux software? |
| 01:45.13 | Cindux | like stuff made under the GPL |
| 01:45.16 | abrotman | Cindux: which linux are you running? |
| 01:45.19 | Cindux | Fedora Core |
| 01:45.22 | maher | Cindux: also - you will probably be kicked form this channel shortly for asking... |
| 01:45.24 | abrotman | so use #fedora |
| 01:45.26 | abrotman | don't ask us |
| 01:45.30 | DesaixVeygoux | Only thing I'd ever warez would be 'mathematica' if I could.. no other pay software that I want or need |
| 01:45.33 | Cindux | i run debian as well = / |
| 01:45.39 | DesaixVeygoux | abrotman: No channel eh ? |
| 01:45.39 | cafuego | DesaixVeygoux: I appreciate people run netBSD. Lord knows why, but then that's why i decline to comment. |
| 01:45.40 | abrotman | which debian? |
| 01:45.44 | abrotman | DesaixVeygoux: nope |
| 01:45.45 | abrotman | sorry |
| 01:45.50 | abrotman | that was easy |
| 01:45.55 | DesaixVeygoux | cafuego: Ok, no problem |
| 01:45.57 | jepel_tailweaver | Cindux, go fire up aptitude and browse through the stuff. Debian has almost all the software you'd ever want |
| 01:45.58 | sean_micken | i booted to the sarge netinst CD and it's just stuck on "Starting PC card services..." -- it's a DELL laptop. |
| 01:46.01 | maher | Cindux: free sw is not warez - use apt-get / dselect / aptitude / synaptic / whatever |
| 01:46.18 | abrotman | maher: gone |
| 01:46.38 | deadcat | isnt warez == pirated softwares? |
| 01:46.40 | maher | abrotman: all that typing for nothing |
| 01:46.47 | gravity | Heh... warez |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | maher: sorry |
| 01:47.00 | abrotman | deadcat: yes |
| 01:47.07 | maher | abrotman: well - not your fault... |
| 01:47.17 | abrotman | !warez |
| 01:47.17 | dpkg | well, warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?strip_id=275, or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 01:47.22 | jg121 | Does anyone here know how to change the font on bittornado? It is written in python; the font is determined from the config file, but the config file says the current font is named `11' which I find hard to believe. I need someone who understand python better than I do. |
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| 01:47.30 | abrotman | oh .. the LG link is broken |
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| 01:48.10 | bolete | I'm getting lockups on a Sarge netinstall, probably hardware. The question is which hardware? |
| 01:48.11 | deadcat | jg121: you mean the gui or console version? |
| 01:48.12 | DesaixVeygoux | deadcat: Yeah, but don't you know most of us Frenchies are socialists i.e Saint Simon, Charles Fourier, Camus (communist actually), Sartre, Jacques Derrida etc.. ? |
| 01:48.15 | DesaixVeygoux | deadcat: :P |
| 01:48.20 | DesaixVeygoux | deadcat: hehe |
| 01:48.33 | maher | DesaixVeygoux: De Gaul... |
| 01:48.36 | abrotman | fixed! |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | !warez |
| 01:48.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 01:48.40 | abrotman | ysy |
| 01:48.40 | DesaixVeygoux | deadcat: I'm not involved in illegal warez though personally |
| 01:48.45 | stew | !list |
| 01:48.45 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 01:48.46 | deadcat | DesaixVeygoux: right (= |
| 01:48.48 | jg121 | deadcat, the gui version. the script is btdownloadgui.bittornado |
| 01:48.54 | mwilson | It uses wxWindows, I'd think that was how you'd control the font. |
| 01:48.56 | ||Star| | vivre le québec libre :& |
| 01:48.58 | DesaixVeygoux | deadcat: Only thing I'd ever warez would be 'mathematica' like I said |
| 01:49.00 | deadcat | jg121: ah. no clue |
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| 01:49.14 | maher | DesaixVeygoux: what's wrong with maxima / gap |
| 01:49.22 | Hentai | high how can I find ther kernel version though ash? |
| 01:49.27 | Hentai | hi |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | mwilson: Wx is supposed to use your native widgets |
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| 01:49.50 | abrotman | Hentai: uname -r |
| 01:49.51 | jg121 | hentai, run uname |
| 01:49.52 | maher | Hentai: uname -a? ps you need a better nick |
| 01:50.04 | Hentai | ok |
| 01:50.05 | deadcat | Hentai: hmm. dont know ash... |
| 01:50.14 | abrotman | !hentai |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | how can dpkg not know? |
| 01:50.28 | Hentai | huh? |
| 01:50.31 | Hentai | what |
| 01:50.32 | maher | abrotman: don't corrupt the bot |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | i didn't |
| 01:50.37 | Hentai | what's dpkg ? |
| 01:50.40 | abrotman | he knows other weird stuff |
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| 01:50.46 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 01:50.46 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:51.10 | Hentai | all I know is I'm installing debian on PPC though boot floppys |
| 01:51.14 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:51.15 | dpkg | ppc is probably short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 01:51.35 | mwilson | abrotman: For the little use I make of bittorrent, I haven't seen any reason not to just use btdownloadheadless. |
| 01:51.41 | Hentai | !ppc |
| 01:51.42 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 01:51.47 | Hentai | hmm |
| 01:51.51 | DesaixVeygoux | maher: GAP (Groups, Algorithms and Programs) ? |
| 01:51.51 | Hentai | !quik |
| 01:51.51 | dpkg | i heard quik is the primary bootloader for OldWorld PowerMacs. at http://penguinppc.org/usr/quik, or see ng for OldWorld Powerbook G3s |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | mwilson: i've used it all of twice i think |
| 01:52.13 | DesaixVeygoux | maher: Dunno, never heard of maxima -- I take it both work well in conjunction ? |
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| 01:52.20 | mwilson | Hentai: You're not going to convince anyone that you have (a) a Mac that can run Debian, and (b) no CDROM. |
| 01:52.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:52.33 | Hentai | mwilson well |
| 01:52.35 | maher | DesaixVeygoux: yes - its basically a free version of magma - probably not as fast as magma... |
| 01:52.38 | Hentai | the floppy booted |
| 01:52.43 | Hentai | and I do have a CD drive |
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| 01:52.49 | abrotman | hasn't every mac since like ... 1995 shipped with a CD drive? |
| 01:52.50 | Hentai | that's how I installed debian |
| 01:52.50 | maher | DesaixVeygoux: no - they are separate |
| 01:52.58 | Hentai | and I don't have a mac |
| 01:53.01 | Hentai | I have a mac clone |
| 01:53.06 | Hentai | Umax c600 |
| 01:53.12 | mwilson | Same result. |
| 01:53.15 | deadcat | Hentai: you dont need cdrom/floppy to install debian on a Mac, i did it on my ibook. |
| 01:53.20 | maher | Hentai: you are on in a billion... |
| 01:53.25 | maher | s/on/one/ |
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| 01:53.57 | Hentai | deadcat what are you talkin gbaout? |
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| 01:54.10 | mwilson | abrotman: I used it most recently so I could download the Ubuntu preview and sneer at it. |
| 01:54.30 | abrotman | mwilson: i just found out a few weeks ago the main win32 client was open source :) |
| 01:55.04 | amahbod | what package do i need to install to use javac? |
| 01:55.09 | Hentai | woah |
| 01:55.09 | amahbod | i tried java-common, but it didnt work |
| 01:55.12 | abrotman | !tell amahbod about java |
| 01:55.15 | Hentai | kernel is 2,2,20 |
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| 01:55.19 | Hentai | 2.2.20 |
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| 01:55.24 | Xenguy | mwilson: please make available a photo of you sneering at the Ubu preview release - please :-) |
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| 01:55.53 | sean_micken | i booted to a sarge netinst CD on my Dell laptop and it's froze on "Starting PC card services..." -- any help with that? |
| 01:56.08 | abrotman | take the card out? |
| 01:56.16 | abrotman | don't buy Dell garbage? |
| 01:56.17 | sean_micken | there is no card in there. |
| 01:56.24 | amahbod | abrotman, its just like a loop |
| 01:56.26 | sean_micken | besides that, abrotman. :P |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | amahbod: no it's not .. use java-package |
| 01:56.48 | abrotman | !tell amahbod about java-package |
| 01:56.52 | whaq | hey guys |
| 01:56.53 | Xenguy | mwilson: (well I thought it was an inspired notion - heh, j/k) |
| 01:56.54 | whaq | is it possible to use ettercap to monitor ARP broadcasts to find the ip of a device (some linksys router) that we don't know the ip/subnet of? if not ettercap, which package on apt can help us do this? |
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| 01:57.06 | staniel | get off my system bootsplash! why do you have to be such a pain! |
| 01:57.14 | Hentai | can anyone find my a stable version of debian with the 2.2.20 kernel? |
| 01:57.21 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:57.32 | Hentai | oh and ppc too |
| 01:57.32 | abrotman | woody uses it .. but most people get off 2.2.20 quickly |
| 01:57.33 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:57.33 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 01:57.38 | abrotman | make me say it again |
| 01:57.52 | Hentai | abrotman stop that |
| 01:57.56 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:57.56 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 01:58.06 | Hentai | argh |
| 01:58.08 | abrotman | they know more about obscure platforms than we do |
| 01:58.10 | amahbod | abrotman, now i am just confused. |
| 01:58.11 | jd86 | abrotman: hello. |
| 01:58.11 | bbrazil | whaq: should be, but I think it likes scannihng just one subnet |
| 01:58.19 | Hentai | I just want to get my pc up and running |
| 01:58.25 | bbrazil | whaq: what about tcpdump in promisc mode? |
| 01:58.29 | whaq | bbrazil, if i put it on 0.0.0.0? |
| 01:58.30 | amahbod | abrotman, what does java-package have to do with javac? |
| 01:58.45 | abrotman | amahbod: where do think javac comes form? |
| 01:58.47 | abrotman | from? |
| 01:58.47 | amahbod | abrotman, it appears that java-package just makes deb packages out of java files |
| 01:58.48 | bbrazil | whaq: I'm thinking the same, let me know if it works :) |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | amahbod: yes .. |
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| 01:59.01 | Keloran | how do i extract a tar.gz in debian (i know this sounds like a stupid question), becasue with slackware i do "tar xvf <name>", but debian recons it isnt a tar file (its mysql btw) |
| 01:59.02 | staniel | I keep getting "dpkg: error processing bootsplash-theme-newlinux (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 10" error when I try to move the boot splash stuff |
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| 01:59.11 | abrotman | amahbod: you feed java-package a sun java package .. and it makes a debian package out of it |
| 01:59.24 | maher | Keloran: try tar xvfz |
| 01:59.24 | jg121 | amahbod, you can download a tarball from sun. |
| 01:59.25 | abrotman | Keloran: tar -xf |
| 01:59.27 | amahbod | abrotman, there is no pre-packaged java package? |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | err |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | shit |
| 01:59.33 | bbrazil | whaq: if you happen to know the mac address you cound try arping |
| 01:59.35 | abrotman | Keloran: tar -zxf |
| 01:59.37 | whaq | bbrazil, brb, i'll try it out |
| 01:59.42 | whaq | ok |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | !tell amahbod about java licensing |
| 01:59.49 | whaq | i think its printed on the box |
| 02:00.02 | travisat | abrotman: you don't need the - |
| 02:00.17 | amahbod | i think tell is the worst invention ever. |
| 02:00.19 | jg121 | !tell me about java licensing |
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| 02:00.26 | abrotman | travisat: use solaris for a few years .. you get used to it |
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| 02:00.37 | gravity | jg121: /msg dpkg java licensing (or anything else) |
| 02:00.38 | RjY | !tell me about tell |
| 02:00.39 | Keloran | interesting, would have thought it would have automaticlly figured out which type it was, like slack's version does |
| 02:00.46 | amahbod | !tell me about how stupid tell is |
| 02:00.57 | RjY | heh, nice |
| 02:01.04 | abrotman | amahbod: don't be an ass . i'm trying to point you to the stuff you are asking about :) |
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| 02:01.31 | amahbod | abrotman, i know :) the tell information is very confusing. |
| 02:01.41 | jg121 | gravity: tell me seems to wrk -- I wanted to see if it would |
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| 02:02.02 | Hentai | wait a minute is debian stable the 2.2.20 kernel? |
| 02:02.05 | Hentai | or uses it |
| 02:02.10 | abrotman | it has two kernels . at least |
| 02:02.19 | gravity | jg121: It does work, but it creates pointless noise in the channel |
| 02:02.24 | abrotman | Hentai: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:02.25 | Hentai | which abrotman? |
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| 02:02.39 | abrotman | Hentai: x86 uses 2.2.20 and 2.4.18 |
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| 02:02.46 | nano_ | can someone help me setup sound in debian...? |
| 02:02.49 | Hentai | abrotman are you a bot |
| 02:03.00 | abrotman | Hentai: i'm a PITA |
| 02:03.06 | Hentai | PITA |
| 02:03.06 | Hentai | ? |
| 02:03.09 | abrotman | !pita |
| 02:03.09 | dpkg | [pita] pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 02:03.11 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:03.23 | pseubodot | abrotman is a bot |
| 02:03.28 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 02:03.28 | dpkg | iapf is probably It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 02:03.29 | pseubodot | !arbotman snack |
| 02:03.31 | abrotman | oh shit .. |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | the poll is still there isn't it? |
| 02:03.38 | deadcat | nano_: cut the forplay and just ask |
| 02:03.47 | pseubodot | abrotman: yes it is. :) |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | aw crap |
| 02:04.13 | pseubodot | abrotman: perhaps this would be an opportune time to remind channel denziens of your great opportunity! :) |
| 02:04.21 | nano_ | i know the driver i need, but when i choose it in modconf it can't install it |
| 02:04.40 | abrotman | pseubodot: i don't want to be naked for your benefit! |
| 02:04.49 | pseubodot | I mean, it would suck if a freebsd'er won over a debian person |
| 02:05.00 | abrotman | we don't know any |
| 02:05.20 | pseubodot | and the several red hat ppl |
| 02:05.29 | deadcat | nano_: sudo modconf maybe |
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| 02:06.34 | hypta | with manpages what package do i need to get to use page up and page down? |
| 02:06.40 | whaq | bbrazil, the method works. unfortunately my router doesn't. i'll reflash it or something... thanks bro. |
| 02:06.47 | amahbod | ARG. i dont know what to download! |
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| 02:06.48 | amahbod | damn it! |
| 02:06.51 | nano_ | i can't install module i810_audio |
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| 02:06.55 | bbrazil | whaq: which method? |
| 02:06.56 | Hentai | !suse |
| 02:06.56 | dpkg | suse is probably a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. |
| 02:06.59 | deadcat | Hentai: less |
| 02:07.02 | deadcat | oops |
| 02:07.04 | hypta | deadcat: ty |
| 02:07.12 | Hentai | what deadcat ? |
| 02:07.16 | deadcat | Hentai: nothing |
| 02:07.19 | deadcat | wrong dude |
| 02:07.19 | chealer | hypta: less |
| 02:07.29 | Hentai | what did you say before though? |
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| 02:07.34 | hypta | chealer: thanks |
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| 02:07.49 | abrotman | amahbod: i told you |
| 02:08.14 | whaq | bbrazil, go into 0.0.0.0 promisc, run tcpdump, connect device to network |
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| 02:08.21 | abrotman | amahbod: get an sdk from sun or ibm or whoever .. then use java-package on it |
| 02:08.51 | bbrazil | whaq: good, good. I'll try and remember that |
| 02:09.00 | ulitz | I haven't used debian in a while and would like to install it again, is there any new installation setup yet? |
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| 02:09.29 | deadcat | yes |
| 02:09.42 | nano_ | my soundcard is Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) and I want to install module i810_audioin modconf, but it always failed, does anybody know why? |
| 02:10.21 | deadcat | nano_: modprobe MODULE.NAME |
| 02:10.21 | jg121 | Keloran: automatic detection of compressed tar files seems to be added in gnu tar 1.15, but sid is surrently at 1.14. Slackware is at 1.15, which is why you saw the difference |
| 02:10.39 | Delph | abrotman: that site is buggered totally and utterly: why is it using javascript to write out bits of the page everywhere? |
| 02:10.41 | jg121 | ulitz: yes, you can find it from the debian webpage. |
| 02:10.42 | Keloran | ahh |
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| 02:11.05 | abrotman | Delph: not my site |
| 02:11.15 | abrotman | Delph: blame pete aka pseubodot |
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| 02:11.21 | Delph | pseubodot: it's all your fault. |
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| 02:11.26 | abrotman | Delph: oh wait .. hit reload |
| 02:12.00 | ulitz | jg121: is it the sarge with debian-installer? |
| 02:12.05 | pseubodot | Delph: what else is new? |
| 02:12.09 | Delph | ? it's still got <script language=javascript><!-- out.write("<actual content here, so users without javascript can't read me>"); --!> |
| 02:12.20 | abrotman | Delph: heh |
| 02:12.25 | pseubodot | Delph: which site is this |
| 02:12.25 | abrotman | Delph: blame drupal |
| 02:12.27 | Delph | mutter mutter thought my links was broken then. |
| 02:12.29 | pseubodot | Delph: ? |
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| 02:12.31 | abrotman | pseubodot: iapf |
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| 02:12.39 | karsten | Delph: What page? |
| 02:12.40 | pseubodot | huh? |
| 02:12.44 | Delph | karsten: any page. |
| 02:12.47 | abrotman | screw psu |
| 02:12.53 | NiggerScientist | How to do rocket science wid' tha Debianz my nukkas ? |
| 02:13.00 | karsten | Delph: What site? |
| 02:13.03 | staniel | im having problems with dpkg and removing some packages, mainly some bootsplash-theme packages |
| 02:13.04 | Delph | turn off javascript and look at the front page. |
| 02:13.16 | Delph | http://www.itsallpetesfault.org |
| 02:13.18 | karsten | NiggerScientist: Um. Change that nick. |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | and leave .. |
| 02:13.28 | NiggerScientist | karsten: kill niggers |
| 02:13.29 | jg121 | ulitz: yes. I reinstalled sid a few months ago with the new installer. at the time i had to use a sarge installer, just cd#1, and then I updated to sid just after the reboot. I know there has been another version of the new installer since then. maybe they even have a new-installer version of sid. the new installer is much better than the previous one, in my experience. but the general procedure is the same. |
| 02:13.32 | gravity | !ops NiggerScientist |
| 02:13.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: NiggerScientist |
| 02:13.34 | karsten | !ops kick NiggerScientist |
| 02:13.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kick NiggerScientist |
| 02:13.41 | deadcat | NiggerScientist: damn. thats some hating there (= |
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| 02:13.44 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@204-210-133-72.hvc.rr.com] by helix |
| 02:13.44 | *** part/#debian NiggerScientist (~naudix@204-210-133-72.hvc.rr.com) |
| 02:13.44 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 02:13.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | ban please :) |
| 02:13.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 02:13.53 | helix | !win me |
| 02:13.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, helix! You have won the US presidency! |
| 02:13.55 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 02:13.58 | gravity | Thanks |
| 02:14.07 | pseubodot | Delph: well, blame me if you want, but I accept no responsability until it goes up on the web site. so there. :) |
| 02:14.13 | karsten | !beer helix |
| 02:14.13 | cafuego | woo? |
| 02:14.17 | RjY | !winME |
| 02:14.17 | dpkg | winme is probably the "Why ME?!", or the M$ Windows Millenium Edition. ircdevil havent seen the "blue screen" yet, but the windows explorer is very unstable!, or discribed at http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/pinnacle99/index.htm, or halt! blue screen is still there :), or see WinRG |
| 02:14.27 | cafuego | helix: figures |
| 02:14.27 | abrotman | to me!!! |
| 02:14.27 | RjY | (tee hee) |
| 02:14.29 | Delph | pseubodot: aararagh. But it can't go up on the website because the website is broken. I love your style =:) |
| 02:14.30 | karsten | helix: Give it back! That's why I gave ti to you. |
| 02:14.35 | abrotman | me me me! |
| 02:14.36 | ulitz | jg121: could I use the hd-media for usb stick ? |
| 02:14.37 | pseubodot | Delph: mwahahahahahahaa |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | wait . i can get lots of yuengling |
| 02:15.01 | pseubodot | Delph: works fine for me in firefox, what are you reading it with? |
| 02:15.01 | nano_ | debian:/home/nano# modprobe i810_audio |
| 02:15.02 | nano_ | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/i810_audio.o: init_module: No such device |
| 02:15.02 | nano_ | Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. |
| 02:15.02 | nano_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.02 | nano_ | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/i810_audio.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/i810_audio.o failed |
| 02:15.03 | *** kick/#debian [nano_!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 02:15.09 | pseubodot | Delph: I should try links / lynx too, mind you. |
| 02:15.11 | Delph | pseubodot: links. |
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| 02:15.35 | abrotman | nano_: read the topic |
| 02:15.36 | karsten | !tell nano_ about flood |
| 02:15.39 | karsten | !tell nano_ about paster |
| 02:15.41 | nano_ | oops |
| 02:15.46 | nano_ | sorry |
| 02:16.02 | karsten | nano_: Just don't do it again. The kick is automatic. |
| 02:16.15 | abrotman | !kick karsten |
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| 02:16.21 | pseubodot | Delph: yeah, same problem in lynx. |
| 02:16.24 | pseubodot | Delph: this sucks. |
| 02:16.41 | karsten | abrotman: beat me! beat me!~ |
| 02:16.43 | Delph | quite. wtp. |
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| 02:16.58 | nano_ | do you guys have your sound working after you install debian? |
| 02:17.00 | jg121 | ulitz: i don't know about the usb stick |
| 02:17.16 | deadcat | hmm. whys that dude you guys kicked keep /msg'ing me? (= |
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| 02:17.26 | deadcat | nano_: yes |
| 02:17.40 | ulitz | alright |
| 02:17.49 | abrotman | !beat karsten |
| 02:17.54 | nano_ | i see, i will reinstall it again |
| 02:18.05 | abrotman | deadcat: because . he loves you? |
| 02:18.07 | jg121 | ulitz, it mentions usb stick at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, youmight look at tit |
| 02:18.17 | deadcat | abrotman: oh girl! |
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| 02:19.48 | abrotman | deadcat: notme |
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| 02:20.16 | abrotman | deadcat: you could /umode +E .. he won't be able to message you |
| 02:20.43 | deadcat | abrotman: cool. he stopped /msg'ing now.. |
| 02:20.46 | jharrison | mmmmmm |
| 02:20.59 | deadcat | (= |
| 02:21.01 | abrotman | deadcat: heh |
| 02:21.31 | shmike | who here knows about totem? |
| 02:21.40 | jharrison | totem? |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | just ask |
| 02:21.44 | abrotman | !totem |
| 02:21.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, totem is a gnome movie player that uses libxine. |
| 02:21.45 | deadcat | shmike: nope. we use xine or mplayer |
| 02:21.46 | jharrison | like indians? |
| 02:21.52 | abrotman | deadcat: totem is xine |
| 02:21.53 | jharrison | the totem poles? |
| 02:22.03 | shmike | how do i get rid of the most recent played list ? |
| 02:22.05 | deadcat | abrotman: how that happened? |
| 02:22.07 | abrotman | deadcat: and i use totem |
| 02:22.11 | abrotman | deadcat: huh? |
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| 02:22.15 | shmike | lol totem poles |
| 02:22.19 | deadcat | shmike: ah. dont want to show people your porn list eh? (= |
| 02:22.28 | shmike | lol yep |
| 02:22.58 | deadcat | lock your damn terminal |
| 02:23.00 | jharrison | oh man |
| 02:23.10 | jharrison | im so tempted to tell shmike something right now |
| 02:23.17 | deadcat | jharrison: do tell |
| 02:23.29 | jharrison | no its bad |
| 02:23.33 | shmike | ohh no |
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| 02:23.51 | jharrison | there was a guy here that was running linux |
| 02:23.53 | jharrison | he was a newb |
| 02:24.01 | CharlesBrown | wow |
| 02:24.02 | CharlesBrown | really? |
| 02:24.04 | CharlesBrown | when??!?!? |
| 02:24.09 | jharrison | and his sound would not work so he kept asking people how to make sound work |
| 02:24.14 | abrotman | shmike: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org i guess |
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| 02:24.34 | jharrison | so a friend of mine kept telling him what to do but this guy was convinced that he was being given the wrong information |
| 02:24.36 | shmike | ok sorry to ask here |
| 02:24.37 | GomoX | Hi |
| 02:24.49 | abrotman | shmike: don't feel bad .. they just mnight know more |
| 02:24.52 | HackMaster | I have a quick question, that i hope will be easily solved. How do i get SATA Hard drives to be seen by the debian installer? |
| 02:24.53 | jharrison | so finally my friend said ok to fix sound you need to do rm -rf / and then reboot |
| 02:24.57 | jharrison | :) |
| 02:25.08 | abrotman | !d-i hackeron |
| 02:25.10 | dpkg | hackeron, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:25.11 | abrotman | !d-i HackMaster |
| 02:25.12 | dpkg | HackMaster, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:25.17 | shmike | no way ami doing that i like my linux box |
| 02:25.31 | jack- | heyho, little question..do you guys know if someone did updated drivers for promise sx4000lite cards already? the promise drivers are for 2.4.20 kernels, but i'd love to get it working with 2.6.11.. |
| 02:25.45 | shmike | lol nice story tho |
| 02:26.00 | jack- | 2.6.11.6 to be precise ;~ |
| 02:26.32 | jharrison | jack-: changelogs? |
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| 02:26.56 | HackMaster | I have been downloading the ISO. I just want to know if that will work or not. Everything else i have tried has failed. |
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| 02:27.09 | jack- | kernel changelogs? you think the driver might be included already? |
| 02:27.43 | abrotman | HackMaster: best chance |
| 02:27.57 | HackMaster | ok, thanks |
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| 02:28.18 | HackMaster | i have already used 4 cds trying and trying, and im kinda running low of blank cds |
| 02:28.50 | bob2 | time to invest 50 cents in a cd-rw |
| 02:29.06 | HackMaster | will that work? |
| 02:29.31 | gravity | Welcome to 1998 |
| 02:30.44 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hack HackMaster |
| 02:31.17 | shmike | i can't put 2 and 2 together to come up with the right answer on google(haha so to speak) |
| 02:31.32 | jack- | jharrison: could you give me a changelogs url maybe? ;) |
| 02:31.40 | jack- | i cant find shit atm |
| 02:32.05 | abrotman | shmike: delete playlist totem |
| 02:32.21 | shmike | okie dokie |
| 02:32.30 | jharrison | jack-: www.kernel.org? |
| 02:32.36 | jack- | thx |
| 02:33.02 | shmike | bingo |
| 02:33.07 | shmike | thank you |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | !win me |
| 02:33.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 02:34.25 | shmike | lol |
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| 02:34.50 | Greek0 | hi |
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| 02:35.46 | jg121 | jack, look at question 8 on http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ |
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| 02:36.27 | jack- | its ata, not sata |
| 02:36.31 | jack- | but thx |
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| 02:37.18 | resiak | !tell abrotman about debian based |
| 02:37.29 | resiak | abrotman: s/Debian/Ubuntu/ :) |
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| 02:37.37 | jg121 | sorry, jack; hackmaster was the one who wanted sata drive with d-i. |
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| 02:38.09 | abrotman | !smack resiak in the ass |
| 02:38.16 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 02:38.21 | resiak | :-/ |
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| 02:38.30 | abrotman | i'm trying to figure out the anatomy of that |
| 02:38.38 | peterS | it does seem a little bit difficult |
| 02:38.47 | HackMaster | and to whoever said i can burn an ISO to a CD-RW, it dont work |
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| 02:38.55 | FieldySnuts | you can. user error. |
| 02:39.03 | HackMaster | using what program? |
| 02:39.05 | thomaskorwed | lol i tried that pickupx thing firday from my cell phone browser at the world in hollywood and surprisingly it worked haha n i got a hot one to talk to me a while |
| 02:39.13 | peterS | well, you can if you have a CD writer |
| 02:39.18 | resiak | thomaskorwed: And we care why? |
| 02:39.22 | HackMaster | i have a cd burner |
| 02:39.26 | HackMaster | and nero |
| 02:39.26 | maher | HackMaster: google debian installer sata |
| 02:39.28 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump thomaskorwed |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | thomaskorwed: wrong channel? |
| 02:39.46 | thomas_adam | thomaskorwed: grrr. your name is throwing my hilighting pattern. |
| 02:39.48 | FieldySnuts | yeah that was meant for #!!!!teenchat |
| 02:40.01 | peterS | thomas_adam: |
| 02:40.03 | peterS | thomas_adam: how so? |
| 02:40.07 | thomaskorwed | well it got them talking anyway I still need to figure out how to get the hot ones to leve the club w/ me lol |
| 02:40.08 | thomas_adam | peterS: :P |
| 02:40.15 | thomas_adam | peterS: "thomas". |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | he's not even getting a cheesesteak out of it |
| 02:40.16 | resiak | FieldySnuts: #omgchix0r |
| 02:40.18 | abrotman | thomaskorwed: we don't care |
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| 02:40.20 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 02:40.21 | peterS | ah, right |
| 02:40.32 | peterS | thomas: |
| 02:40.36 | thomas_adam | :( |
| 02:40.39 | thomas_adam | Stooop it. |
| 02:40.42 | peterS | so that's just as effective? |
| 02:40.47 | thomas_adam | Yes. |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:40.58 | abrotman | peterS: works for you? |
| 02:41.06 | peterS | I guess |
| 02:41.06 | abrotman | wait . i didn't put the S there |
| 02:41.09 | thomaskorwed | hah oh well ima go hit up pickupx some more and see if I get any more ideas lol |
| 02:41.09 | abrotman | peterS: works for you? |
| 02:41.10 | abrotman | peterS: works for you? |
| 02:41.12 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:41.13 | peterS | ha |
| 02:41.18 | cleverAlf | hey folks.. I had to return a firewire pci card today because it didn't want to work with my Digital Video camera... I couldn't find out much about it before I got it because all it said was it used NEC chipset.. Oh well.. can you guys recommend a cheap 2 or 3 port 1394 card that works in debian sarge? TIA mike.. |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | thomaskorwed: you do that .. have a good time |
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| 02:41.38 | caphuso | VISIT NIGGER NET [GNAA] HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE WHAT YOU WANT |
| 02:41.48 | abrotman | !ops caphuso |
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| 02:41.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: caphuso |
| 02:41.50 | caphuso | VISIT NIGGER NET [GNAA] HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE WHAT YOU WANT |
| 02:41.52 | RjY | haha |
| 02:41.52 | caphuso | VISIT NIGGER NET [GNAA] HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE WHAT YOU WANT |
| 02:41.55 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 02:41.55 | caphuso | VISIT NIGGER NET [GNAA] HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE WHAT YOU WANT |
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| 02:41.57 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 02:41.58 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@CPE-69-76-210-80.kc.rr.com] by helix |
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| 02:41.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
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| 02:42.03 | helix | umm |
| 02:42.04 | helix | oops |
| 02:42.07 | peterS | hehehehe |
| 02:42.08 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 02:42.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:42.13 | guorke | hi |
| 02:42.17 | peterS | ban caphuso! yeah! |
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| 02:42.25 | buu | HI HELIX |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | helix: let him back in :) |
| 02:42.35 | peterS | omg it's teh buuuuuuuuuu |
| 02:42.36 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@CPE-69-76-210-80.kc.rr.com] by helix |
| 02:42.43 | buu | Yes indeedy |
| 02:42.55 | abrotman | misfire! |
| 02:42.55 | deadcat | i dont see how a fella would be pleasure off of pasting those lines. |
| 02:42.57 | peterS | do you use uubuuntuu, buu? |
| 02:42.57 | buu | Helix can't aim? |
| 02:43.03 | resiak | Do these people really think that they will help people here? |
| 02:43.04 | RjY | collatoral damage |
| 02:43.05 | buu | peterS: Afraid not |
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| 02:43.13 | helix | heh |
| 02:43.17 | buu | helix: give me voice |
| 02:43.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 02:43.19 | abrotman | !smack peterS and his joke |
| 02:43.19 | debian | lol |
| 02:43.22 | helix | you have voice |
| 02:43.25 | buu | =[ |
| 02:43.27 | buu | I want a + |
| 02:43.35 | peterS | buu: it's a matter of nick completion. she typed part of caphuso and hit tab and it came out cappicard. happens every now and then to most of the ops |
| 02:43.40 | deadcat | buu: you know what you have to do... |
| 02:43.45 | RjY | *collateral |
| 02:43.47 | buu | deadcat: Dark room and kneedpads? |
| 02:43.50 | buu | peterS: Yes I know. |
| 02:43.53 | deadcat | buu: yeep |
| 02:44.00 | debian | poor cappicard |
| 02:44.06 | buu | deadcat: I'm not sure I need a dark room for helix. |
| 02:44.12 | buu | helix: Do I need a dark room? |
| 02:44.17 | helix | I glow in the dark |
| 02:44.21 | buu | Excellent. |
| 02:44.27 | sussudio | in soviet russia, everyone glows in the dark |
| 02:44.27 | deadcat | hah. radioactive. |
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| 02:44.29 | debian | too much coffee |
| 02:44.38 | FieldySnuts | heh sussudio |
| 02:44.41 | abrotman | helix: you're radiant ? |
| 02:44.45 | resiak | ISR, the dark glows in YOU! |
| 02:44.55 | helix | don't hate me because I drank too much ecto cooler |
| 02:44.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:45.01 | buu | Stupid asynchronus connections |
| 02:45.02 | abrotman | ecto cooler |
| 02:45.05 | buu | 5 meg down, 2kb up |
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| 02:45.11 | FieldySnuts | ack ghost busters flash back |
| 02:45.14 | peterS | buu: eh. yeesh. |
| 02:45.23 | buu | peterS: I keep considering a t1 |
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| 02:45.33 | peterS | buu: my asynchronicity is only by a factor of 8 |
| 02:45.39 | buu | heh |
| 02:45.48 | buu | Mine |
| 02:45.55 | buu | Mine is actually only about a factor of 11 or so |
| 02:46.03 | karsten | peterS: Isn't asynchronicty an album aby athe Apolice? |
| 02:46.03 | Zetabyte | OT: Not getting any response on #procmail, so I'm asking the question here. If Off-topic questions bother you terrible, kindly disregard this message. I'm running procmail on debian unstable and I want it to deposit messages into a maildir formatted mailbox - I can't find any info on how to do this, only that it is supported. Any help for me here? |
| 02:46.09 | jack- | ok, looks like i found the solution.."dmraid" |
| 02:46.10 | peterS | buu: but de facto it's worse than that? |
| 02:46.25 | peterS | karsten: something very like that. only opposite. |
| 02:46.36 | jack- | can that be loaded as a module? or is a kernel rebuild mandatory? |
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| 02:46.48 | peterS | Zetabyte: I think you just name the mailbox with a trailing / in your procmailrc |
| 02:46.51 | karsten | peterS: affirmative. |
| 02:47.10 | Zetabyte | peterS: that's what i thought, but it seems to be storing it in MH format, not maildir. |
| 02:47.19 | peterS | Zetabyte: oh. well, ask karsten, he uses maildir (: |
| 02:47.35 | buu | peterS: It just feels slower |
| 02:47.47 | cleverAlf | anyone? surely SOMEONE out there uses a 1394 card to download videos from their camcoder... All i'm askin for is a couple hardware suggestions.. |
| 02:48.01 | abrotman | cleverAlf: for a card to buy? |
| 02:48.08 | cleverAlf | yes |
| 02:48.20 | CharlesBrown | Anyone have any ascii art of a penguin |
| 02:48.21 | cleverAlf | cheap too.. <g> |
| 02:48.21 | shmike | lol disco's not dead |
| 02:48.25 | bob2 | cleverAlf: yes, people know but are refusing to answer you |
| 02:48.27 | bob2 | it's a conspiracy |
| 02:48.30 | peterS | cleverAlf: my understanding was that pretty much all 1394 cards behaved and were supported the same |
| 02:48.30 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 02:48.36 | Zetabyte | karsten: if i had a destination line like "Inbox/" that would put it in $MAILDIR/ in the inbox folder? |
| 02:48.41 | jg121 | zetabyte, read 'man procmailrc' |
| 02:48.58 | chealer | is it reasonable to think that a DRI-related hard lockup would be fixed by using XFree 4.5? and would it be sane to try to upgrade to it? |
| 02:49.00 | Zetabyte | jg121: already did that, but I can try to look it over again |
| 02:49.07 | Zetabyte | perhaps i missed something |
| 02:49.15 | cleverAlf | well the one i just returned didn't work with a camera.. but only with disks scanners.. etc.. |
| 02:49.16 | karsten | Zetabyte: Procmail? Yes. |
| 02:49.19 | jg121 | line 195/196: If the mailbox name ends in "/", then this directory is presumed to be a maildir folder; |
| 02:49.35 | Zetabyte | karsten: ok, maybe I have some other setting wrong. thanks for comfirming that =) |
| 02:49.41 | karsten | Zetabyte: NP. |
| 02:49.42 | jg121 | err, make that line 203 |
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| 02:49.58 | karsten | Zetabyte: If the directory exists, it needs subdirs 'tmp' 'new' and 'cur' |
| 02:50.00 | Zetabyte | jg121 that's what i thought, but it wasn't working |
| 02:50.12 | jg121 | zetabyte, you do need to make the directory and the new/cur/tmp subdirs |
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| 02:50.15 | Zetabyte | karsten: right, it has those. it's an existing mailbox and already has emails in it |
| 02:50.45 | jg121 | what is the delivery line from your procmailrc? |
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| 02:51.33 | abrotman | shmike: kip ? |
| 02:51.43 | Zetabyte | jg121: Inbox/ |
| 02:51.43 | shmike | nope |
| 02:52.12 | Zetabyte | and maildir is defined as follows: MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ |
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| 02:52.54 | shmike | name was already taken |
| 02:53.01 | jg121 | zetamail: try putting the full pathname there, and see if that works; you may have some procmail variable misset. Does the delivery work when you replace inbox with a normal file name? |
| 02:53.04 | peterS | Zetabyte: MAILDIR should not need to end with / - mine doesn't. I don't think that itself would make a difference, though |
| 02:53.05 | shmike | i like the old bands |
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| 02:53.20 | draven | to uninstall from source i want to use "make clean" in the source dir right |
| 02:53.22 | draven | ? |
| 02:53.40 | Zetabyte | ok, lemme play around with some of those suggestions - and thanks all for answering this OT question =) |
| 02:53.50 | vinck | draven> make uninstall |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | make uninstall .. if you're lucky |
| 02:54.05 | peterS | Zetabyte: it's not *that* OT. and you weren't obnoxious about it |
| 02:54.22 | draven | vinck, and if it doesn't have make uninstall available? |
| 02:54.34 | peterS | as you have apparently figured out, attitude means a lot (: |
| 02:54.47 | vinck | hmm read the makefile? |
| 02:54.57 | kix | cool |
| 02:55.40 | FieldySnuts | gah how do I get ravenbird to tell me about literal irritate |
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| 02:55.48 | FieldySnuts | tried cmd and all that |
| 02:56.06 | bob2 | @+listkeys irritate |
| 02:56.10 | kix | hey i tried slackware a week ago and found out debian is so much better |
| 02:56.12 | Zetabyte | ok, what it seems to be doing is putting a "Inbox" folder inside the Maildir folder, instead of putting emails in Maildir/{cur|new|tmp} or whatever |
| 02:56.28 | draven | what does make clean do normally? |
| 02:56.33 | FieldySnuts | tells me to rtfm heh |
| 02:56.44 | FieldySnuts | kix: hey. at least debian has gnome ... |
| 02:56.46 | peterS | Zetabyte: right, that is expected |
| 02:56.47 | FieldySnuts | </troll> |
| 02:57.03 | kix | heh |
| 02:57.03 | peterS | Zetabyte: the default mailbox is actually $MAILDIR/$DEFAULT |
| 02:57.04 | jg121 | zetabyyte: so make MAILDIR=$HOME and replace Inbox/ with Maildir/ |
| 02:57.15 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fuck you |
| 02:57.16 | cyberia | is slackware the hackers distro ? |
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| 02:57.20 | FieldySnuts | ... |
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| 02:57.28 | zbrown | lol |
| 02:57.30 | FieldySnuts | no, slackware is the super annoying to manage distro |
| 02:57.33 | deadcat | Calin: yes. #slackware |
| 02:57.38 | zbrown | ravenbird: fuck tacos |
| 02:57.39 | Zetabyte | Oh, ok, I think i see. the thing is, i have folders in my maildir mailbox - can i route mails into those? |
| 02:57.58 | FieldySnuts | commander taco? |
| 02:58.05 | peterS | Zetabyte: I'd never heard of using a directory both as a maildir and as a place to put other maildirs |
| 02:58.32 | peterS | Zetabyte: but I suppose you probably could. MAILDIR=$HOME DEFAULT=Maildir/ then refer to Maildir/foo/ in your rules |
| 02:58.40 | Zetabyte | maybe I'm missing something. all my mails are in the cur folder when i look in the Maildir - but in my IMAP client i have them organized into "folders" |
| 02:58.44 | jg121 | peterS: I have heard of that, although I think it is kooky. I heard about it because some imap client or the other explicitly said they don;t support it |
| 02:59.08 | peterS | Zetabyte: your imap client looks in $HOME/Mail/ for folders, or something similar |
| 02:59.08 | fooz | mutt and postfix don't mind it |
| 02:59.13 | jg121 | make that imap server ; it's getting too late for me |
| 02:59.13 | kix | gotta go bye |
| 02:59.35 | peterS | I mean, the imap *server* does |
| 02:59.43 | peterS | the imap *client* has no clue where the backing store is |
| 03:00.10 | Zetabyte | maybe this is a weird dovecot thing then |
| 03:00.24 | cyberia | rootkits for all |
| 03:00.43 | peterS | I wonder if any rootkits are ITP'd |
| 03:00.48 | Zetabyte | I have, in my client, a ton of folders and nice pretty organized emails and whatnot, but on my server when i look in my mail directory, i don't see any folders but new tmp and cur. |
| 03:01.08 | Zetabyte | i assumed Maildir format had some way of having mult. folders all in that structure |
| 03:01.08 | FieldySnuts | sounds like client fuckage |
| 03:01.09 | peterS | Zetabyte: yeah, rtfm on dovecot. they live *somewhere*. |
| 03:01.18 | Calin | <deadcat> : what? |
| 03:01.18 | Zetabyte | k, thanks agian guys |
| 03:01.59 | peterS | Zetabyte: maildir format doesn't. you must have multiple mailboxes somewhere. they're probably in mbox format if you haven't specified differently. that is, individual files sitting somewhere |
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| 03:03.59 | lampshade | Who in here is running unstable? I don't mean to start a flame war or anything, but are you finding it pretty stable? |
| 03:04.24 | fooz | lampshade, unstable killed my cat and caused my car to break down |
| 03:04.32 | peterS | lampshade: unstable is for if you know what you are doing and know how to fix or work around problems as they come up. I find it quite stable, but when it *does* occasionally spaz out somehow, I have the experience to deal with it |
| 03:05.06 | jg121 | lampshade, i have been running unstable for 10 years. no problems except some perl upgrades :) |
| 03:05.36 | peterS | jg121: you didn't get hit with the 'pam breaks, nobody logs in' thing a few years ago? |
| 03:05.44 | dvs | oh yeah, 5.8 comes to mind |
| 03:05.59 | maher | peterS: what about pam breaks everyone can log in... |
| 03:05.59 | peterS | the transition to 5.005 or 5.6 was kind of painful too. I forget which |
| 03:06.06 | fooz | heh |
| 03:06.09 | abrotman | 5.6 iirc |
| 03:06.12 | peterS | maher: fortunately or unfortunately, as the case may be, it was a matter of nobody logs in |
| 03:06.16 | jg121 | peterS: I remember one time I had to reboot before I could log in. But I don't upgrade too frequently, so I often miss temporary breakages. |
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| 03:06.31 | skone | can anyone help me with a timezone problem |
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| 03:06.37 | skone | I have set the timezone to cst |
| 03:06.37 | abrotman | UTC! |
| 03:06.44 | maher | peterS: no - there was a breakage where anuone with no password set could log in with no password |
| 03:06.46 | peterS | jg121: in practice, you can avoid most of the breakage by just looking in at the #debian channel topic before upgrading (: |
| 03:06.51 | skone | and when I look at the time, the Local time is right, but UTC time isnt right |
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| 03:06.55 | skone | and my computer is using utc |
| 03:06.57 | peterS | maher: oh, right, I sort of remember that one too |
| 03:07.12 | CompWizrd | i'm one of those crazy people that does an apt-get update at about 4:30 pm EST.. i pray that reportbug has been used by enough people by then |
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| 03:07.31 | abrotman | a whole 30 minutes after? |
| 03:07.38 | abrotman | Wyzard: your work place is crazy |
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| 03:09.43 | CompWizrd | abrotman: it's just my workstation, it gives me something to do the next day if it didn't work |
| 03:09.44 | CompWizrd | :) |
| 03:10.00 | Zetabyte | Wow...dovcot is hiding 90% of my emails...sure enough /$HOME/Maildir/{cur|tmp|new} is all the messages in my inbox - the other folders, however... no idea.... |
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| 03:13.32 | peterS | Zetabyte: the other possibility is that the other folders are stored client-side and dovecot doesn't know about them at all |
| 03:14.11 | Zetabyte | they are definitly not local folders, i use them from mult. locations. browsing dovecot config files and docs. trying to figure out wtf it's hiding them =( |
| 03:14.19 | buu | Zetabyte: It's a feature. They might be bad news. |
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| 03:15.55 | jack- | anyone around who successfully compiled dmraid already? |
| 03:16.04 | jack- | their makefile is crap, sigh |
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| 03:16.14 | cappicard | re all |
| 03:16.36 | abrotman | cappicard: sorry about earlier . it was a misfire |
| 03:16.40 | cappicard | helix: that's ok. I see nick completion was messing up... whee... that boob was quite annoying |
| 03:16.41 | Zetabyte | BAH, i found them. i feel dumb, they were in the ~/Maildir/ folder, but it renamed them to start with a "." so they didn't show up without ls -a |
| 03:16.45 | cappicard | no problem :) |
| 03:16.49 | Zetabyte | *smack head* |
| 03:17.01 | cappicard | it happens :) |
| 03:17.02 | circle- | hey I am upgarding from woody to sarge and after I changed my source.list file and did the aptitude update I get the following error: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.rutgers.edu testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.rutgers.edu_pub_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory). any help? |
| 03:17.20 | cappicard | circle-: just do apt-get update |
| 03:18.01 | abrotman | !kick cappicard |
| 03:18.19 | jack- | !kick everyone |
| 03:18.22 | circle- | that's it? man I have wasted 4 hours search for the answer. |
| 03:18.28 | jack- | nobody ever tried dmraid? :~ |
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| 03:18.38 | Hentai | !kick jack- |
| 03:18.43 | jack- | :) |
| 03:18.46 | Hentai | lol |
| 03:18.52 | MobyTurbo | circle-: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:19.03 | russo | if I have a Vodoo3 i can use the "glide" driver for XF86 right?! |
| 03:19.09 | jack- | answer my question hentai |
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| 03:19.16 | Hentai | yeah ok |
| 03:19.21 | jack- | got any experience with dmraid? ;) |
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| 03:19.32 | circle- | !kick circle- |
| 03:19.37 | circle- | lol |
| 03:19.39 | cappicard | lol |
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| 03:19.45 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: botabuse? |
| 03:19.47 | cappicard | oh, kinky! |
| 03:19.48 | jg121 | circle: the file is on the rutgers mirror, so I can't say why aptitude didn't pick it up. |
| 03:19.50 | michal_ | i'm trying to upgrade a slink box to potato and I'm getting this error "dpkg not recorded as installed, cannot check for Pre-Depends support !" |
| 03:19.56 | zbrown | !do circle- |
| 03:20.02 | Hentai | jack- what's dmraid? |
| 03:20.05 | cappicard | russo: I believe you can, yes. |
| 03:20.05 | Hentai | cause no |
| 03:20.06 | circle- | lol |
| 03:20.10 | jack- | ok, thx |
| 03:20.13 | jack- | :~ |
| 03:20.13 | Hentai | sorry |
| 03:20.13 | michal_ | and dpkg isn't listed as installed |
| 03:20.14 | cappicard | just use the 3dfx drivers |
| 03:20.17 | jg121 | > slink box to potato < that's an interesting task |
| 03:20.27 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 03:20.28 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 03:20.32 | cappicard | jg121: I've done it. relatively painless |
| 03:20.45 | circle- | thanks guys, I tried to get it on my own and not use you guys as a crutch. but man I was getting frustrated. |
| 03:20.46 | jg121 | I think i did it too, once, but not in a long long long time |
| 03:21.01 | jack- | hrm shit |
| 03:21.32 | chealer | michal_: you remember me my friend that's trying to compile perl on an old UNIX server since 4 monthes ;) |
| 03:21.33 | russo | cappicard: strange.. my X just says "Screen not found" when I try to put the glide driver open. Do i need to open some modules on XF86Config-4 ? [still loading dri,glx, int10n and some stuff] |
| 03:21.36 | jg121 | circle: did you try running aptitude again a few minutes later, or looking for the packages file on the rutgers mirror? the error message confuses me |
| 03:21.37 | jack- | last try...anyone ever tried dmraid ? :P |
| 03:21.44 | michal_ | anyone have any idea how to install dpkg ? :/ |
| 03:21.44 | abrotman | eww .. dmraid |
| 03:21.53 | jack- | wow a reaction |
| 03:21.56 | jack- | <3 abrotman |
| 03:21.59 | jack- | any clue? |
| 03:22.06 | abrotman | nfc .. never heard of it :) |
| 03:22.07 | jg121 | michal: you use dpkg to install packages, so you use dpkg to install dpkg. |
| 03:22.08 | assassin | woah... stable apt just spit out a segfault... |
| 03:22.15 | jack- | fuark ;) |
| 03:22.19 | abrotman | !dmraid |
| 03:22.22 | michal_ | dpkg -S `which dpkg` |
| 03:22.22 | michal_ | dpkg: /usr/bin/dpkg not found. |
| 03:22.23 | dpkg | Package: `which dpkg`: Status: install ok installed |
| 03:22.23 | abrotman | jack-: what's it for? |
| 03:22.28 | cappicard | russo: hmm... int10 should be automatically loaded. |
| 03:22.29 | circle- | yup and the same error, but when I did apt-get update it worked great |
| 03:22.34 | abrotman | michal_: dpkg -S bin/dpkg |
| 03:22.44 | cappicard | But have you loaded the agpgart driver in the kernel? |
| 03:23.04 | jack- | its for a couple ata raid cards, kind of a multi driverpack |
| 03:23.11 | michal_ | abrotman: I have 4 entries similar to "diversion by dpkg-multicd from: /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages" |
| 03:23.11 | jg121 | michal: what does ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg say? |
| 03:23.12 | jack- | uses devmapper |
| 03:23.30 | michal_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 123584 Apr 22 1999 /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 03:23.38 | jack- | http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ |
| 03:23.40 | jg121 | m: so far so good. |
| 03:23.43 | blue_ | how do you use phpdoc with debian? |
| 03:23.45 | abrotman | michal_: dpkg -S bin/dpkg$ |
| 03:23.50 | jack- | too alpha to be available via apt-get |
| 03:23.54 | jg121 | next, youneed to download tha ppropriate dpkg package, and then run /usr/bin/dpkg on it |
| 03:24.04 | michal_ | dpkg: *bin/dpkg$* not found. |
| 03:24.16 | michal_ | seems dpkg is installed but missing from the installed package database |
| 03:24.18 | abrotman | michal_: i thought you could use regex with it |
| 03:24.21 | abrotman | maybe not |
| 03:24.33 | michal_ | abrotman: maybe not with the 1999 version |
| 03:24.36 | jg121 | right. dpkg is searching the package database -- if dpkg isn't _installed_ then it isn't in the list of installed pacakges |
| 03:24.41 | abrotman | michal_: maybe not |
| 03:24.54 | jg121 | i don't know how you managed to get dpkg uninstalled, but you will have to download it and install it |
| 03:25.06 | abrotman | michal_: dpkg -L dpkg |
| 03:25.15 | jg121 | the pun here is that you have a dpkg executable without having the package installed |
| 03:25.22 | michal_ | Package `dpkg' is not installed. |
| 03:25.39 | michal_ | oh crap |
| 03:25.43 | jg121 | you need to download the appropriate dpkg package, and then run /usr/bin/dpkg on it |
| 03:25.44 | michal_ | there is only 1 package installed |
| 03:25.45 | michal_ | ii ldso 1.9.11-9 The Linux dynamic linker, library and utilit |
| 03:25.50 | michal_ | nothing else :/ |
| 03:26.08 | mwilson | It's michal_... he can break anything. |
| 03:26.10 | jg121 | that's impressive. Even the pre-installer installs more than that |
| 03:26.14 | chealer | mwilson: hahaha |
| 03:26.21 | dvs | because he likes it |
| 03:26.25 | michal_ | mwilson: i didn't break it.. i was asked to update it |
| 03:26.34 | abrotman | michal_: apt-get --reinstall install dpkg |
| 03:26.35 | mwilson | Uh, huh. |
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| 03:26.46 | jg121 | michal: probably, dpkg uninstalled all the old pacakges so that it could replace them, but then hit an error. |
| 03:26.49 | jack- | other question |
| 03:26.52 | jack- | rpm -i --nodeps dmraid-1.0.0.rc6-1.i386.rpm |
| 03:26.53 | jack- | error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2) |
| 03:26.53 | jack- | error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm |
| 03:26.57 | jack- | how can i fix this? |
| 03:27.02 | michal_ | what's the package database file? |
| 03:27.05 | jg121 | that sort of thing can happen hen you upgrae to a new version |
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| 03:27.08 | mwilson | jack-: What's to fix? Nothing is broken. |
| 03:27.11 | MobyTurbo | jack-: use alien |
| 03:27.28 | jg121 | that's why apt-get dist-upgrade was developed, beause dpkg was broken in some ways. |
| 03:27.37 | jack- | enlighten me ;) how should i setup the rpm db file? |
| 03:27.39 | mwilson | jack-: Where did you get the idea that you could, or should, install RPMs directly? |
| 03:27.51 | mwilson | jg121: Uh... yeah. Right. Not. |
| 03:28.05 | jack- | http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ |
| 03:28.05 | mwilson | jack-: You shouldn't, of course. |
| 03:28.06 | chealer | jg121: what's the dpkg equivalent of dist-upgrade? |
| 03:28.08 | jack- | ..here. |
| 03:28.09 | russo | cappicard: thanks.. i'll read up more and try to solve the problem =) |
| 03:28.15 | bob2 | chealer: there isn't one |
| 03:28.16 | MobyTurbo | jack-: alien converts rpms to debs, using rpm behind the scenes. |
| 03:28.17 | jg121 | mwilson: is there one? I was under the impression there isnt |
| 03:28.18 | bob2 | jack-: use alien |
| 03:28.32 | jack- | sounds good, how do i use alien? ;) |
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| 03:28.39 | blue_ | man alien |
| 03:28.46 | chealer | I mean, the broken equivalent |
| 03:28.51 | bob2 | jack-: read the manpage |
| 03:28.52 | jack- | No manual entry for alien |
| 03:28.53 | MobyTurbo | jack-: apt-get install alien ; man alien |
| 03:28.54 | mwilson | jg121: I think YOU should go learn about the tools before trying to tell other people about them. |
| 03:28.58 | bob2 | jack-: did you install it? |
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| 03:29.10 | bob2 | jg121: please don't spread FUD and/or lies |
| 03:29.15 | jack- | installing |
| 03:29.19 | mwilson | jg121: So far, you've not got one thing right. |
| 03:29.23 | bob2 | chealer: dpkg doesn't know or care about where to get new packages from |
| 03:29.26 | cappicard | russo: you're welcome |
| 03:29.30 | jack- | i dont spread anything, i just ask questions ;~ |
| 03:29.32 | MobyTurbo | jack-: I have an alien manpage here, I just checked. |
| 03:29.36 | chealer | bob2: ok |
| 03:29.37 | bob2 | chealer: there is no dpkg equivalent to apt-get update/upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 03:29.46 | assassin | Hrm... why is apt-get doing a segmentation faultsts after a dpkg-dev install? |
| 03:29.58 | bob2 | I doubt that's related |
| 03:30.16 | michal_ | dpkg cannot be installed at all because the packages it depends on aren't in the installed packages database.. i think the system is beyond salvation.. unless dpkg keeps backups of old installed databases |
| 03:30.17 | dpkg | that's too long, michal_ |
| 03:30.17 | assassin | well, dpkg-dev did install bin-utils |
| 03:30.20 | Hentai | !ppc |
| 03:30.20 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 03:30.26 | assassin | err... binutils |
| 03:30.28 | jg121 | mwilson: what exactly have I gotten wrong, in your opinion? |
| 03:30.38 | bob2 | michal_: /var/backups/ |
| 03:30.40 | jack- | ok |
| 03:30.42 | jack- | dmraid_1.0.0.rc6-2_i386.deb generated |
| 03:30.45 | jack- | and now? ;) |
| 03:30.48 | bob2 | assassin: yes, binutils is not going to make things segfault |
| 03:30.50 | peterS | and now, install it |
| 03:30.51 | peterS | dpkg -i |
| 03:30.58 | jack- | ok thx |
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| 03:31.30 | mwilson | jg121: here's a good one... "that's why apt-get dist-upgrade was developed, beause dpkg was broken in some ways." |
| 03:31.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:31.40 | michal_ | bob2: /var/backup doesn't seem to hold dpkg related files |
| 03:31.57 | abrotman | it's sunday! |
| 03:32.01 | bob2 | michal_: except it does |
| 03:32.04 | bob2 | michal_: status, et al |
| 03:32.05 | michal_ | there is however /var/lib/dpkg/status.yesterday.1.gz |
| 03:32.09 | jack- | gna.. |
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| 03:32.12 | jack- | dmraid: error while loading shared libraries: libdevmapper.so.1.00: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:32.20 | michal_ | it's almost 5 years old and not from yesterday though :P |
| 03:32.24 | jack- | what should i apt-get to fix this? ;) |
| 03:32.31 | michal_ | bob2: not on this old system |
| 03:32.53 | bob2 | jack-: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 03:32.55 | jg121 | its true. dpkg lacks the ability to sort out package dependancies, which made it possible to foul up your system when upgrading critical packages. the point of dist-upgrade, as I remember it, was to try to avoid these dependancy errors |
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| 03:33.10 | Hentai | !ppc |
| 03:33.10 | dpkg | ppc is probably short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 03:33.11 | bob2 | jg121: no |
| 03:33.14 | doleyb | jg121: you are wrong. it would be long to explain it for you though. |
| 03:33.15 | mwilson | jg121: You really need to just stop now. |
| 03:33.19 | bob2 | jg121: please stop talking about things when you're wrong |
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| 03:33.45 | jg121 | i would be glad to hear your explanation |
| 03:33.46 | doleyb | jg121: My bicycle can't sort package dependencies, but that doesn't make it "broken" |
| 03:34.01 | bob2 | jg121: dpkg wasn't ever intended for that sort of thing |
| 03:34.04 | bob2 | nor used, afaik |
| 03:34.11 | bob2 | dselect is what was used for upgrades before apt |
| 03:34.13 | jg121 | OK< is it just the word 'broken' that you disagree with? |
| 03:34.20 | dondelelcaro | not that it matters anyway, since apt-get actually use dpkg |
| 03:34.24 | jack- | You have searched for packages that names contain libdevmapper in distribution stable, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 03:34.25 | jack- | Can't find that package, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture. |
| 03:34.26 | jack- | :< |
| 03:34.39 | bob2 | jack-: are you actually using stable? |
| 03:34.46 | doleyb | jg121: it would be better to say "dist-upgrade" was made because "apt-get upgrade" was inadquate. |
| 03:34.50 | jack- | i think so, yeah |
| 03:34.59 | dondelelcaro | doleyb: and that's not even correct. |
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| 03:35.12 | dondelelcaro | doleyb: they serve totally different purposes |
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| 03:36.18 | abrotman | it's sunday! |
| 03:36.19 | Mardus | Hi again. |
| 03:36.30 | Mardus | abrotman: Sunday? |
| 03:36.31 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 03:36.31 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
| 03:36.49 | michal_ | reverted to an old dpkg status file.. we'll see how it goes after that |
| 03:36.50 | jg121 | I remember doing upgrades with dpkg before apt was written, and I remember having to run dpkg repeatedly to solve dependancy problems. One of the main selling points for apt was its dependancy handling. |
| 03:37.02 | jg121 | debian apt better than dpkg |
| 03:37.06 | HackMaster | in case anyone is here from when i asked the question about SATA and debian. you pointed me to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/. the "netinst CD image, with Debian base" installer does fails with the SATA. it says something like a driver. |
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| 03:37.24 | michal_ | is there any command that can be used to list all files which don't belong to a package? excluding files marked as configuration files |
| 03:37.25 | abrotman | HackMaster: did you try 2.4 and 2.6 on the install CD ? |
| 03:37.36 | circle- | hey guys one more question, I am getting asked what kind of debconf interface to use. I just want a console no x or anything like that. which one do I choose? |
| 03:37.36 | doleyb | jg121: You are making as much sense as "My house is better than your toilet". They just can't be compared. |
| 03:37.38 | HackMaster | um. |
| 03:37.40 | Mardus | It's Tuesday. |
| 03:37.46 | RjY | cruft |
| 03:37.47 | HackMaster | it asked me to press enter, so i did |
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| 03:37.54 | bob2 | michal_: crufy |
| 03:37.59 | bob2 | er, cruft |
| 03:38.06 | HackMaster | should i have entered something? |
| 03:38.07 | abrotman | HackMaster: try typing `linux26` .. no quotes . then hit enter :) |
| 03:38.13 | HackMaster | i will be back. |
| 03:38.16 | abrotman | !tell HackMaster about ig |
| 03:38.18 | jg121 | look, both the older acces methods for dselect and the apt-based methods did the same thing: they allowed you to update packages. but the pre-apt methods had serious problems. |
| 03:38.21 | sparr_ | is there a program/command to put a certain character or characters on the clipboard(s) in X/Gnome? |
| 03:38.59 | RjY | sparr_ --- xclip |
| 03:38.59 | mwilson | He's still going... |
| 03:38.59 | bob2 | jg121: can you just shut up, or find out what you're talking about? |
| 03:38.59 | doleyb | jg121: you could say "apt was written because dpkg doesn't manage dependencies, and dependency management is good" |
| 03:38.59 | bob2 | jg121: I don't mind which one |
| 03:38.59 | michal_ | bob2: thanks.. i was thinking of purging all the binary files that don't belong to a package. i don't think the system is going to be completely consistent |
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| 03:39.01 | bob2 | jg121: the "other" access methods in dselect used dselect itself ti manage the upgrade |
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| 03:39.26 | sparr_ | thanks |
| 03:39.37 | Mardus | sparr_: You can just select something with a mouse, keep it selected and then go to another window or write area and paste it with clicking a middle button on that mouse. It is one way. |
| 03:39.41 | jg121 | how does that impact what I said? |
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| 03:39.55 | HackMaster | um, what should i enter again? |
| 03:40.01 | HackMaster | this time im gonna write it down |
| 03:40.06 | sparr_ | Mardus: yeah, but what if i want a page feed on the clipboard? or a newline only, or a line feed only? |
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| 03:40.21 | bob2 | jg121: you keep saying dpkg is on some way defective, when none of this has anything to do with dpkg |
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| 03:40.42 | abrotman | HackMaster: try typing `linux26` .. no quotes . then hit enter :) |
| 03:40.46 | HackMaster | ok |
| 03:40.51 | HackMaster | *writes it down* |
| 03:40.52 | Mardus | sparr_: Ah well, I can't help you in this cas. |
| 03:40.53 | abrotman | HackMaster: /lastlog is good |
| 03:40.58 | Thaiger | How do I get a list of the files on my hard drive bigger than foo megs |
| 03:41.04 | dondelelcaro | bob2: what's even funnier is that all of these tools actually *USE* dpkg |
| 03:41.17 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: hah, yeah |
| 03:41.22 | jack- | dmraid: error while loading shared libraries: libdevmapper.so.1.00: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:41.23 | HackMaster | i frogot to turn on logging |
| 03:41.35 | bob2 | Thaiger: man find, hint: -size +200M |
| 03:41.37 | abrotman | erm .ok |
| 03:41.43 | jack- | any hint on which package contains libdevmapper? |
| 03:41.43 | bob2 | jack-: yes, we saw |
| 03:41.52 | lakcaj_ | Does anyone else here find growisofs completely inconsistent for burning DVD+R media? Out of a 25 pack of DVD+Rs, I tried using both K3B and the commandline and half of them ended up being coasters. |
| 03:41.55 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: he seems to be claiming that these tools which use dpkg are hacks that enable dpkg to do what it previously couldn't.. sort of like less is a hack for cat to let you page... |
| 03:41.58 | bob2 | jack-: blah blah blah, if it's not on packages.debian.org, it's not in Debian |
| 03:42.00 | Thaiger | bob2: Thanks |
| 03:42.06 | Mardus | jack-: apt-cache search libdevmapper.. |
| 03:42.11 | jack- | thx :) |
| 03:42.20 | abrotman | !tell jack- about find |
| 03:42.21 | Mardus | jack-: sans dots. Otherwise google it. |
| 03:42.24 | abrotman | !tell jack- about search |
| 03:42.25 | abrotman | duh |
| 03:42.34 | dondelelcaro | jack-: search on packages.debian.org for the distribution that you're actually looking for. It'll take like three seconds. |
| 03:42.37 | dondelelcaro | !+find libdevmapper |
| 03:42.39 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libdevmapper' (2): libdevmapper-dev ;; libdevmapper1.01. |
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| 03:42.59 | doleyb | lakcaj_: yes, i often see it stop at 30-40% done, and yet report success. |
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| 03:43.50 | Hentai | <Hentai> if I'm to set my boot-device to soemthign ex boot-device scsi/sd@1:0 |
| 03:43.50 | Hentai | <Hentai> what would a ide drive be at? |
| 03:43.50 | Hentai | <Hentai> condsiering its first on the line |
| 03:43.58 | Hentai | Anyone know? |
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| 03:44.02 | abrotman | so close |
| 03:44.05 | lakcaj_ | doleyb, misery loves company I guess... I'm just tring to figure out a _reliable_ method for burning DVD isos with linux. I've bought some Fuji DVD-R media to see if that makes a difference. |
| 03:44.09 | doleyb | Hentai: cat/proc/partitions |
| 03:44.15 | Hentai | what? |
| 03:44.30 | Hentai | doleyb what's that suppose to mean? |
| 03:44.33 | smcavoy | Hentai: this is on a mac? |
| 03:44.34 | maher | lakcaj: i use k3b - works fine |
| 03:44.35 | mwilson | lakcaj: I find growisofs and cdrecord-ProDVD to both be quite reliable in burning DVD's. |
| 03:44.39 | Hentai | yes smcavoy |
| 03:44.44 | Mardus | jack-: yea, and do this, if you want to search your hdd: find / -name libdevmapper (where slash is the root directory or search all hard drive, -name is an operator or something and the latter is obvious) |
| 03:44.59 | Hentai | using quik |
| 03:44.59 | smcavoy | Hentai: ok, was was the entire question... |
| 03:45.03 | Hentai | <Hentai> if I'm to set my boot-device to soemthign ex boot-device scsi/sd@1:0 |
| 03:45.03 | Hentai | <Hentai> what would a ide drive be at? |
| 03:45.04 | Hentai | <Hentai> condsiering its first on the line |
| 03:45.04 | mwilson | Much more likely that K3B is the problem, being a KDE app. |
| 03:45.15 | mwilson | Or that the hardware is the problem. |
| 03:45.23 | maher | lakcaj: are you trying to write big files to the dvd? |
| 03:45.45 | Hentai | oh |
| 03:45.49 | Hentai | think I found it |
| 03:45.51 | Mardus | Hentai: cat /proc/partitions means that cat reads/shows you the contents of /proc/partitions . Maybe cat is an editor, but I am new to this and I don't know it this much yet. |
| 03:46.11 | Hentai | no cat editor here |
| 03:46.11 | jack- | <fn~dpkg> Debian Package Listing of 'libdevmapper' (2): libdevmapper-dev ;; libdevmapper1.01. |
| 03:46.14 | jack- | but |
| 03:46.15 | Hentai | only some other one |
| 03:46.25 | Hentai | tiny something |
| 03:46.26 | jack- | E: Couldn't find package libdevmapper1.01 |
| 03:46.33 | smcavoy | Hentai: in OF check devalias it should have ide-disk or something like that setup |
| 03:46.33 | Mardus | Hentai: yea, cat prints this info out to your screen |
| 03:46.34 | jack- | E: Couldn't find package libdevmapper-dev |
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| 03:46.48 | dondelelcaro | jack-: which version of Debian are you actually running? |
| 03:46.59 | jack- | woody 3.0 i think |
| 03:46.59 | Hentai | smcavoy sorry I don't understand |
| 03:47.05 | dondelelcaro | jack-: woody doesn't have libdevmapper. |
| 03:47.08 | Hentai | I think this will work though |
| 03:47.13 | jack- | kernel is 2.6.11.6 #2 SMP |
| 03:47.18 | Hentai | ATA - boot-device ata/ata-disk@0:0 |
| 03:47.36 | jack- | well what do you suggest dondelelcaro :) |
| 03:47.44 | jack- | fresh setup with sid? |
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| 03:47.48 | dondelelcaro | jack-: get a backport if you actually need it, or do without it. |
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| 03:47.56 | adexta | hello, guys |
| 03:47.57 | jg121 | maybe the problem you guys have with what I said is that it doesn't match the modern view that dpkg is a low-level tool and that apt is a crucial part of debian package management. the ``older'' view is that dpkg is _the_ package manager and that apt is an optional front-end that includes extra logic which, it was decided, will not be added to dpkg. |
| 03:48.10 | adexta | now, i'm trying to get my sound to work |
| 03:48.14 | adexta | the card isn't being detected |
| 03:48.16 | jack- | well, i really really need dmraid+libdevmapper ;) |
| 03:48.18 | Hentai | so |
| 03:48.24 | dondelelcaro | jg121: those aren't incompatible views. |
| 03:48.26 | adexta | lspci doesn't list it |
| 03:48.30 | Hentai | 0:0 mean primary master? |
| 03:48.53 | dondelelcaro | jg121: dpkg is the low level tool, and it is what actually manages the packages. Everything else tells dpkg what to actually install, but it's what actually does the installing. |
| 03:48.54 | sean_micken | so i've got this dell laptop and it's frozed on "Staring PC card services..." during the "Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives..." in the sarge netinst CD... |
| 03:48.54 | Mardus | jack-, well if you have woody, and want to stick with woody, make a search at backports.org or apt-get.org. |
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| 03:49.14 | jack- | nobody said i want to keep woody |
| 03:49.25 | jack- | i wouldnt mind doing a complete reinstall if that helps |
| 03:49.38 | dondelelcaro | jack-: what are you actually doing? |
| 03:49.46 | Mardus | Hentai: I think 0:0 are mount points. See if you have anything that says hda or hdb |
| 03:49.47 | jack- | just trying to figure the best way to get it working |
| 03:49.55 | dondelelcaro | jack-: get what working? |
| 03:49.59 | jack- | dmraid |
| 03:50.07 | lakcaj_ | mwilson, do you use cdrecord-prodvd by itself, or with xcdroast? |
| 03:50.29 | jack- | if i'd get libdevmapper installed on this woody 2.6.11 i'd be happy already too, i guess |
| 03:50.35 | dondelelcaro | why in the world are you using dmraid? |
| 03:50.44 | Mardus | jack-: If you can't find what you need from apt-get with woody, you may consider installing sarge, if you have this good hardware... |
| 03:50.45 | lakcaj_ | maher, I'm writing approx 4 gig isos. |
| 03:50.54 | jack- | need to, because of the 2 promise fasttrack raid cards |
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| 03:51.07 | lakcaj_ | I guess I'll give prodvd a try. |
| 03:51.10 | maher | lakcaj: if you're using iso9660 then there is a max file size of about 2G |
| 03:51.12 | dondelelcaro | jack-: well, either way, just get a backport of the libdevmapper from backports.org or apt-get.org |
| 03:51.13 | jg121 | the difficulty with the view that dpkg is _the_ package manager is that it requires a lot of manual effort to resolve complex dependency problems using only dpkg. This is certain a suboptimal situation. Rather than make dpkg more complicted (thus fixing its problem) we now view apt as the proper way to manage dependencies. |
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| 03:51.27 | abrotman | still babbling? |
| 03:51.29 | jack- | sarge is cool? ok, guess we'll try that |
| 03:51.34 | mwilson | lakcaj: Gods, no. Wtf would I want xcdroast for? |
| 03:51.38 | maher | lakcaj: growisofs / mkisofs won't complain but the dvd won't work |
| 03:51.39 | jack- | anyone got an iso url handy? ;) |
| 03:51.42 | doleyb | jg121: who are you even talking to? If you want to pretend to teach debian, go someplace with non-experts. |
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| 03:51.46 | dondelelcaro | jg121: no, that's not a problem with the view. You're conflating managing which packages should be installed with managing the packages themselves. |
| 03:52.28 | Mardus | jack-: sarge is testing, but people say it's good and okay and stable (not my claim). It has more modern software, too. |
| 03:52.31 | Hentai | Mardus I have hda |
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| 03:52.37 | dondelelcaro | jg121: and no, modularizing the problem into specific separate domains is not a suboptimal solution. You've come from a land of spaggetti. Unix, and Debian in particular is a land of ravioli. |
| 03:52.47 | jg121 | if dpkg is _the_ package manager then it does both jobs, right? |
| 03:52.52 | dondelelcaro | jg121: no. |
| 03:52.52 | Hentai | 3 partitions on it |
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| 03:53.08 | jack- | ok, word |
| 03:53.10 | Mardus | Hentai: Can you re-tell your issue? |
| 03:53.10 | doleyb | jg121: nobody things dpkg is "_the_ package manager", you are arguing against a view that nobody holds. |
| 03:53.12 | dondelelcaro | jg121: those are two separate problem domains. |
| 03:53.20 | Hentai | yes Mardus |
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| 03:53.29 | jack- | Mardus: could you give me a sarge iso image url? |
| 03:53.40 | argl | hi everybody ? I've dhcpd running for dynamic LAN IP addresses. The problem is that is seems like that one can't specify an interface on which dhcpd is listening. when I start my inet connection (DSL) which uses dhcp to configure the WAN connection's IP address my own running dhcpd seems to answer these requests ? is there a possibility to configure dhcpd so that it only listens on the LAN NIC interface ? |
| 03:53.40 | Hentai | Mardus: |
| 03:53.41 | Hentai | <Hentai> if I'm to set my boot-device to soemthign ex boot-device scsi/sd@1:0 |
| 03:53.41 | Hentai | <Hentai> what would a ide drive be at? |
| 03:53.41 | Hentai | <Hentai> condsiering its first on the line |
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| 03:53.42 | lampshade | jack-: debian.org |
| 03:53.44 | chealer | jg121: dpkg is primarily a blootbot :-P |
| 03:53.54 | bob2 | jg121: dpkg was always a low-level tool |
| 03:53.56 | jg121 | yes, nobody now thinks that dpkg is the package manager, but in 1994 that was the dominant view. dselect at that time was, in my opinon, clearly just a front end to dpkg |
| 03:53.59 | Hentai | <Hentai> if I'm to set my boot-device to soemthign ex boot-device scsi/sd@1:0 |
| 03:54.01 | Hentai | <Hentai> what would a ide drive be at? |
| 03:54.03 | Hentai | <Hentai> condsiering its first on the line |
| 03:54.04 | jack- | ok |
| 03:54.07 | Hentai | its hda |
| 03:54.08 | dondelelcaro | Hentai: stop pasting. |
| 03:54.08 | bob2 | Hentai: stop it |
| 03:54.15 | bob2 | you will get no more warnings |
| 03:54.28 | Hentai | uh huh |
| 03:54.30 | doleyb | jg121: dselect was both a package manager, and a front end to dpkg. Apt is a front-end to dpkg too. All front ends "manage" their backends. |
| 03:54.35 | Mardus | Hentai: Don't flood and don't paste. |
| 03:54.55 | Hentai | ok |
| 03:55.14 | lampshade | I don't know guys, personally I think Linux in general needs to kinda just get their stuff together I'm hoping that autopackage will fix some of this but having a different .deb vs .rpm vs ebuilds, it just seems silly compared to not only windows, but also OSX |
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| 03:55.34 | Mardus | Hentai: Okay, the thing is that hda is the primary master, which is the first hard drive that boots. hdb primary slave, hdb is secondary master, hdc secondary slave. |
| 03:55.39 | dondelelcaro | lampshade: they're totally different, and they solve different problems. Regardless, that's not a real problem anyway. |
| 03:55.41 | gravity | lampshade: autopackage sucks |
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| 03:55.54 | mwilson | lampshade: Interesting you throw OS X into that pile... no familiarity with it at all, huh? |
| 03:55.58 | heloo | does anyone know how to download a dir from a web server |
| 03:56.02 | jack- | ok, next stupid question |
| 03:56.04 | Hentai | I figured such |
| 03:56.04 | gravity | heloo: wget |
| 03:56.06 | jack- | debian-cd/images/3.0_r4/i386/ |
| 03:56.07 | Hentai | so |
| 03:56.08 | Mardus | Henai: now primary means from the first connection on the motherboard, secondary from the second connection on the motherboard |
| 03:56.08 | bob2 | autopackage is crap |
| 03:56.12 | jack- | if i download all those cd images |
| 03:56.18 | Hentai | 0:0 means hda? |
| 03:56.18 | jg121 | why was apt developed debian |
| 03:56.19 | jack- | which fucking debian is it? |
| 03:56.22 | heloo | gravity I know wget |
| 03:56.26 | gravity | joeyh's blog about autopackage was enough to make me hate it before I even saw it |
| 03:56.35 | jack- | woody? sid? sarge? wtf? ;< |
| 03:56.35 | mwilson | Why was libapt developed, or why was apt-get created? |
| 03:56.37 | heloo | but I cant figure out how to download a specify web directory |
| 03:56.39 | Mardus | Hentai: I think 0:0 is a mount point. |
| 03:56.43 | gravity | I was wondering why the autopackage people never talked to Debian at all about their work |
| 03:56.43 | RjY | !tell me about autopackage |
| 03:56.45 | Hentai | Mardus understand |
| 03:56.46 | bob2 | jg121: libapt was developed to make package installation simpler |
| 03:56.46 | gravity | Now we know |
| 03:56.48 | chealer | !autopackage |
| 03:56.51 | gravity | RjY: /msg dpkg autopackage |
| 03:56.56 | Hentai | crap I need to figure it out |
| 03:56.56 | abrotman | gravity: you sohuld see the xar stuff :) |
| 03:56.57 | RjY | sorry. |
| 03:56.57 | dondelelcaro | gravity: because they had NIH syndrome... |
| 03:56.58 | bob2 | jg121: apt-get was created to be a demo program for libapt |
| 03:57.03 | Hentai | so its a mount point |
| 03:57.06 | Hentai | for the boot loader |
| 03:57.11 | Hentai | that means |
| 03:57.13 | argl | is there an option so that dhcpd only listens on a specified interface ? |
| 03:57.14 | RjY | it didn't have anything anyway.. |
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| 03:57.18 | Hentai | 0;3 |
| 03:57.22 | gravity | RjY: google is your friend |
| 03:57.22 | Mardus | Hentai: Now, hda1 is primary master's first partition, hda2 is primary master's second partition. |
| 03:57.23 | Hentai | 0:3 |
| 03:57.34 | Hentai | ok |
| 03:57.34 | RjY | I know :) |
| 03:57.47 | Hentai | so its probbaly 0:1 |
| 03:57.56 | lakcaj_ | maher, will cdrecord-prodvd write the full DVD size? (sorry for my late replies, I'm trying to do laundy while sorting out this DVD situation) |
| 03:58.02 | Mardus | Hentai: Don't rush to conclusions as per my suggestion that it's definitely a mountpoint. I just think that it maybe is, but it is not 0:0 is not hda. |
| 03:58.02 | Hentai | Mardus you know where quik is installed to? |
| 03:58.03 | chealer | gravity: can you give a link to what you talk about? |
| 03:58.04 | lakcaj_ | with the key? |
| 03:58.06 | lampshade | gravity: If not autopackage, something unified between the distros. I don't pretend to have an answer but it seems like there should be one. |
| 03:58.08 | gravity | chealer: google it |
| 03:58.16 | gravity | lampshade: Why should there be one? |
| 03:58.27 | mwilson | lakcaj: Of course it will. What good would it be if it didn't? |
| 03:58.28 | Hentai | don't worry redoing install is easy if fubars up again |
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| 03:59.01 | maher | lakcaj: i dunno - the point is the size of the files in the iso9660 file system can't be too big, if you're coping a dvd that works, the files will be small enough |
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| 03:59.07 | Hentai | well |
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| 03:59.12 | doleyb | lampshade: you might have more fun discussing that on slashdot... |
| 03:59.15 | chealer | gravity: how? |
| 03:59.19 | Mardus | Hentai: Another part of the etiquette here is that if you have a conversation with someone, have someone's name befer your text and a colon and your text |
| 03:59.38 | Hentai | ok |
| 03:59.44 | Mardus | That's if you are addressing someone in particular |
| 04:00.10 | Hentai | Mardus: understand |
| 04:00.10 | Mardus | Hentai: I sometimes forget to do this, too. But it helps notice when someone is talking to you. |
| 04:00.25 | gravity | chealer: How do you google something? Are you kidding? |
| 04:00.26 | batard | hey all - installed sarge desktop, seemed fine, but whatever wm it defaults to won't come up. I tried linux 3 as a kernel argument in grub, but it wouldn't boot to a commandline. Anyone? |
| 04:00.32 | Hentai | well |
| 04:00.39 | abrotman | linux3? |
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| 04:00.45 | abrotman | batard: debian uses 2 |
| 04:00.50 | batard | ah |
| 04:00.51 | Hentai | Mardus: I'll just go by 0:0 for the start |
| 04:00.55 | batard | thanks |
| 04:00.57 | adexta | okay, i installed debian, and it wouldn't detect my soundcard. ran lspci, wouldn't find it. ran alsaconf, wouldn't find it. i had suse 9.1 installed previously and the sound worked fine |
| 04:01.00 | Mardus | Hentai: So I can explain you some things, but don't take my word on it!! |
| 04:01.01 | abrotman | batard: and why won't it come up? |
| 04:01.24 | bob2 | batard: 2-5 are identical in Debian |
| 04:01.25 | lakcaj_ | maher, mwilson: thank you both for your help. |
| 04:01.28 | Hentai | Mardus: if it don't work I'l go back and install debian again and go to 0:1 and see if that words |
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| 04:01.29 | batard | abrotman - I've had this problem with many other distros. it needs the newest ati proprietary drivers |
| 04:01.31 | Mardus | Hentai: I'll find something for you to read... |
| 04:01.37 | adexta | i am now interested in finding the card, booted into a suse live CD |
| 04:01.37 | bob2 | adexta: lspci has nothing to do with anything |
| 04:01.39 | batard | my display, that is |
| 04:01.39 | Hentai | Mardus: np its ok |
| 04:01.40 | lampshade | mwilson: No, you are right, I don't have a ton of experience with OSX, but as far as I do know, you are pretty much drag and dropping the app into the applications folder. |
| 04:01.42 | Hentai | thanks |
| 04:01.43 | bob2 | adexta: ignore alasconf, too |
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| 04:01.55 | bob2 | adexta: just load the module for it, or let hotplug do it for you |
| 04:02.08 | doleyb | lampshade: that works only for applications, and there are several other kinds of packages. |
| 04:02.15 | batard | bob2: so 2 and 5 are commandline and 3 is graphical, then |
| 04:02.23 | mwilson | batard: No. |
| 04:02.25 | bob2 | batard: no, 2, 3,4, 5 are all the same |
| 04:02.26 | Mardus | Hentai: I didn't give you an advice, I gave you my opinion, which I think was not good enough so that is why I am strongly suggesting for you to read somehing before you begin. |
| 04:02.33 | bob2 | batard: if you made them graphical, they all are |
| 04:02.37 | abrotman | batard: so install them ? |
| 04:02.39 | mwilson | batard: When you are told that 2-5 are all the same, believe it or not, they actually mean that they are all the same. |
| 04:02.42 | Hentai | Mardus: understand |
| 04:02.49 | batard | got it... |
| 04:02.58 | adexta | where would the module be? |
| 04:02.58 | Mardus | Hentai: That is why I need you to type in your issue (but not paste it) |
| 04:03.05 | batard | I forgot how to quit X - it' |
| 04:03.09 | batard | alt-esc? |
| 04:03.11 | Hentai | ok Mardus |
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| 04:03.27 | adexta | bob2: where would the module be? |
| 04:03.41 | Mike77 | Hello people. I have a couple of questions. First: My mouse recently went crazy on X-Window and can't make it work right, what can I do? (Debian Woody) |
| 04:03.43 | Hentai | I want to know what 0:0 means from this boot-device ata/ata-disk@0:0 |
| 04:03.43 | batard | basically X tries to start, screen goes blank. so if I can't play with the runlevel, I'll have to kill the thing |
| 04:03.52 | bob2 | adexta: what do you mean? |
| 04:03.52 | Hentai | Mardus: I want to know what 0:0 means from this boot-device ata/ata-disk@0:0 |
| 04:04.04 | adexta | i'm not really sure what to do |
| 04:04.14 | Mardus | Hentai: I think it's a mount point, but I am not sure. Where do you read it? |
| 04:04.21 | Hentai | here Mardus |
| 04:04.22 | maher | batard: ctrl-alt-f2 for a console - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:04.25 | adexta | i'm booted into a suse live CD at the moment, because the same version of suse was able to detect my sound card |
| 04:04.34 | Hentai | http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/defaults.php :Mardus |
| 04:04.39 | batard | maher, thanks. |
| 04:04.41 | bob2 | adexta: lsmod|grep snd |
| 04:04.51 | bob2 | adexta: write down what that prints out, then load those modules in Debian |
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| 04:05.20 | adexta | #flood? |
| 04:05.27 | Karhuton | Why doesn't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 recreate XF86Config-4?! |
| 04:05.35 | lampshade | doleyb: Are you talking other packages like dependencies? I was under the impression that the programs dependencies were somehow sealed inside the appfolder? |
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| 04:05.44 | gravity | Karhuton: If you altered the file by hand it won't do it |
| 04:05.52 | Mardus | Hentai: I'm taking a look at it |
| 04:05.53 | Karhuton | gravity, I removed it completely |
| 04:05.59 | Karhuton | gravity, how do I override this? |
| 04:06.04 | bob2 | Karhuton: because you didn't read the FAQ |
| 04:06.10 | gravity | Karhuton: That's a problem. Read the FAQ in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common |
| 04:06.10 | bob2 | Karhuton: or the contents of that file before you deleted it |
| 04:06.10 | bob2 | etc |
| 04:06.20 | bob2 | hint: don't delete files without understanding what you're doing |
| 04:06.38 | Calin | !d-i |
| 04:06.38 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 04:06.50 | wilbertoki | I forgot the command to reload my bashrc file to update my path after adding java, can someone tell me the command? |
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| 04:06.56 | doleyb | lampshade: yeah, they're sealed in the folder, which creates all kinds of problems an inefficiencies. |
| 04:06.59 | bob2 | wilbertoki: . ~/.bashrc |
| 04:07.08 | doleyb | lampshade: if you want to chat about autopackage, there is a good slashdot thread for that. |
| 04:07.11 | adexta | bob2: how would i load the modules? |
| 04:07.36 | bob2 | adexta: modprobe snd_blah ; modprobe snd_bleh |
| 04:07.36 | bob2 | etc |
| 04:07.48 | adexta | okay |
| 04:07.52 | adexta | and that'd do it? |
| 04:07.58 | lampshade | doleyb: I haven't heard of tons of problems, ineffiencies I'll give you, though |
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| 04:09.01 | adexta | bob, if this works, you deserve a blowjob |
| 04:09.04 | wilbertoki | bob2: thats not what I was thinking, there was another command I used to know |
| 04:09.04 | lampshade | doleyb: I'm not all about autopackage, I am very much for a unified package system though for all the distros. Or at least most of them. I can understand where some distros will want/need their own thing, but for the most part, why can't there be a unified system. |
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| 04:09.16 | bob2 | wilbertoki: rehash? |
| 04:09.19 | bob2 | or hash -r? |
| 04:09.25 | Hentai | ok Mardus |
| 04:09.28 | wilbertoki | bob2: and it didnt work it gave me an error in line 6 |
| 04:09.31 | bob2 | gravity: your verb choice offends me! |
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| 04:09.42 | gravity | Woohoo! |
| 04:09.42 | maher | lampshade: there are only two packaging systems |
| 04:09.50 | Mardus | Hentai: I remember 0:0 and 1:0 being boot points there, but I am not sure. What makes think like that is that ata hard drive is 0:0, but scsi hard drive is 1:0 (continued) |
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| 04:10.03 | Karhuton | This is SO stupid way to protect configuration files! |
| 04:10.10 | Hentai | Mardus: ok |
| 04:10.16 | wilbertoki | bob2: well all I had to do was close the term window and reopen it |
| 04:10.18 | gravity | Karhuton: Yes it is |
| 04:10.19 | wilbertoki | bob2: thanks though |
| 04:10.19 | bob2 | Karhuton: send a patch to fix it |
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| 04:11.49 | Mardus | Hentai: As for SCSI -- "boot-device scsi/sd@1:0" and ATA -- "boot-device ata/ata-disk@0:0" -- the @-sign could be understood for example as boot device ata/ata-disk at mountpoint 0:0. |
| 04:12.04 | bob2 | gravity: is boston as annoyingly hot in summer as NYC |
| 04:12.05 | Hentai | Mardus: thought so to |
| 04:12.06 | bob2 | ? |
| 04:12.26 | gravity | bob2: I like the heat, so I'm the wrong person to ask :-) |
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| 04:12.34 | bob2 | gravity: ah, CA-boy |
| 04:12.37 | gravity | bob2: Right |
| 04:12.43 | Mardus | Hentai: Also read through the quirks file (has a link right there) |
| 04:12.43 | gravity | It's not hot right now though |
| 04:12.49 | gravity | Unless, by hot, you mean "around freezing" |
| 04:12.54 | bob2 | it's probably still snowing there |
| 04:12.56 | Hentai | Mardus: I have been |
| 04:13.09 | chealer | !autopackage is http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/autopackage_designed_by_monkeys-2005-03-28-14-20.html or http://autopackage.org |
| 04:13.09 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
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| 04:13.19 | gravity | No, it's just around freezing. It's more slush rain |
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| 04:14.41 | Mardus | Hentai: I have a partial solution for you: go to this irc room: #debianppc -- other rooms are listed at http://penguinppc.org/about/community.php#irc |
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| 04:14.58 | bob2 | so |
| 04:15.00 | Hentai | Mardus: thanks for the help |
| 04:15.10 | Mardus | Hentai: I'm not a Mac guy and therefore I can't help you with all that, but they might over there. |
| 04:15.19 | Hentai | oh yea |
| 04:15.24 | bob2 | is it possible to back up my futurama dvds using a dvd{-,+}r{,w} burner such that normal dvd player can play them? |
| 04:15.28 | bob2 | ideally with the menus and such |
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| 04:15.57 | Gron | anyone know where the postfix logs would happen to be? |
| 04:16.08 | Mardus | Hentai: So that most people that I know of here are more likely pc guys. |
| 04:16.08 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.12 | ejka | Gron: /var/log/mail.log |
| 04:16.14 | Gron | thanks |
| 04:16.15 | jack- | i'm a mac guy, but you know what..i think darwin is pretty nice, didnt see any reason to try debianppc yet |
| 04:16.17 | jack- | ;) |
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| 04:16.19 | Hentai | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.23 | maher | bob2: you should just be able to just copy them |
| 04:16.30 | bob2 | maher: like, dd? |
| 04:16.36 | Mardus | Hentai: But you have a Mac? |
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| 04:16.45 | Hentai | Mardus: I have a mac cone |
| 04:16.46 | EvilSporkMan | anyone else been complaining of gaim leaking memory? |
| 04:16.52 | Hentai | Mardus: I have a mac clone |
| 04:16.55 | Mardus | Hentai: oh.. |
| 04:16.57 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: #gaim ? |
| 04:16.59 | jack- | ahh |
| 04:17.04 | jack- | hentai: umax? |
| 04:17.09 | Hentai | Mardus:+ I have about 20 x86 in the closet |
| 04:17.13 | Hentai | jack-: yes |
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| 04:17.25 | Hentai | jack-: Umax c600 |
| 04:17.25 | jack- | which one? |
| 04:17.31 | jack- | ow |
| 04:17.36 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: i've heard of one user having similar problems with firefox, but i guess i'll check |
| 04:17.39 | maher | bob2: that will work... |
| 04:17.40 | jack- | 603e box, originally right? |
| 04:17.41 | Mardus | Hentai: Well, @Home there is one ole thing... |
| 04:17.46 | Hentai | yes jack- |
| 04:17.47 | bob2 | maher: woo, cool |
| 04:17.57 | jack- | ok, i'm clueless with those |
| 04:17.58 | jack- | sorry |
| 04:17.59 | Hentai | still is jack- |
| 04:18.02 | Hentai | np jack- |
| 04:18.15 | Mardus | EvilSporkMark: Firefox is heavy. |
| 04:18.50 | EvilSporkMan | Mardus: yeah, i'm not having issues with firefox, but i just freed about 100 MB of RAM by closing gaim |
| 04:18.54 | EvilSporkMan | well, RAM and swap |
| 04:18.54 | Hentai | jack- will update to a g3 in I tlater |
| 04:18.57 | Hentai | and more ram |
| 04:19.01 | Mardus | EvilSporkMan: Firefox is heavy. Netscape 4.x is not (@where I am usualy online) |
| 04:19.11 | jack- | hentai: yes you should :) |
| 04:19.21 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: bts say anything? |
| 04:19.26 | jack- | even g4 cards are dead cheap meanwhile |
| 04:19.28 | Hentai | lol jack- |
| 04:19.32 | Mardus | EvilSporkMan: Well, RAM AND swap. |
| 04:19.41 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: bts? |
| 04:20.00 | Hentai | I orginally got it to stick windows NT 4 on it jack- and Mardus |
| 04:20.13 | jack- | haha |
| 04:20.20 | jack- | with virtualpc 4 i guess? |
| 04:20.37 | Hentai | no jack- |
| 04:20.43 | Hentai | jack-: native |
| 04:20.47 | abrotman | !bts |
| 04:20.47 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 04:20.54 | Mardus | Hentai: General question: Why choice of such a name? As far as I know, it's a Japanese word for Über-pr0n and gay pr0n |
| 04:21.03 | jack- | windows nt 4 has a ppc build? wow, didnt know |
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| 04:21.24 | dondelelcaro | Mardus: no, that's incorrect. |
| 04:21.28 | Hentai | Mardus there's a orginal meaning to the word |
| 04:21.30 | jack- | i thought it only worked on certain ppc boxen, not powermacs |
| 04:21.43 | Hentai | right jack- |
| 04:21.53 | jack- | so did you manage to get it running? |
| 04:21.54 | adexta | bob2: modprobe: Can't locate module snd_pcm |
| 04:21.59 | Mardus | Hentai: Well that's information that I've gathered from anime sites years ago |
| 04:22.01 | Hentai | that's why I'm trying ti stick debian on it |
| 04:22.06 | bob2 | adexta: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 04:22.11 | jack- | ok :) i see |
| 04:22.20 | Hentai | Mardus go to wikipedia and stick in hentai |
| 04:22.26 | jack- | you might want to try yellowdog linux |
| 04:22.32 | Hentai | jack- nah |
| 04:22.34 | Hentai | I can't |
| 04:22.37 | adexta | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:22.38 | jack- | that one apparently works on early ppcs |
| 04:22.42 | jack- | hmm |
| 04:22.51 | Hentai | I need to have a boot floppy |
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| 04:23.01 | Hentai | and I don't think yd does |
| 04:23.21 | adexta | i have an older PC |
| 04:23.26 | maher | bob2: you can pull the info off the dvd with dd - might be best to write it using growisofs |
| 04:23.41 | Vyrus001 | i know this is not a linux question but does anybody here know of a realy good (but NON INTNRUSIVE, i.e norton or any of those "install and get all in your shit") virus scanner ? some bad virus or spyware or somthin finaly got past my firewall through udp packats... i fixed the hole but now i need to scann and clean my winblows partition (im booted in the debian one at the moment) |
| 04:24.00 | rob^ | bitdefender? |
| 04:24.01 | adexta | it's a pentium II 400 MHz |
| 04:24.02 | Hentai | Vyrus001: antivir |
| 04:24.08 | Hentai | Vyrus001: antivir or avg |
| 04:24.14 | Hentai | Vyrus001: antivir or avg or avast |
| 04:24.18 | Hentai | opps |
| 04:24.20 | ejka | adexta: what is your soundcard? |
| 04:24.22 | adexta | i know that linux can detect it; suse did when i had it installed |
| 04:24.33 | adexta | ejka: it's built in |
| 04:24.41 | Vyrus001 | cool |
| 04:24.50 | Mardus | Vyrus001: H+BedV anivir or grisoft's avg or avast. If you're looking for something that's opensource, there is something with word clam in it |
| 04:24.51 | Vyrus001 | lol Hentai nice name :P |
| 04:24.51 | adexta | i have the case sitting next to me open |
| 04:25.05 | adexta | i can look and see if there's any type |
| 04:25.05 | Hentai | Vyrus001: there free to |
| 04:25.12 | Hentai | Vyrus001: thanks |
| 04:25.47 | Mardus | Vyrus001: Go to www.cleansoftware.org to see for antiviruses and there is that opensource one linked too |
| 04:26.09 | Hentai | why do you need a opensource antivirus exactly? |
| 04:26.14 | ejka | adexta: and can you tell it's name? |
| 04:26.28 | maher | Hentai: running a mail filter |
| 04:26.28 | Mardus | Hentai: metamorphosis, abnormality, sexual perversion. |
| 04:26.42 | adexta | do you know where it would say? |
| 04:26.53 | Hentai | maher: ok |
| 04:27.04 | Hentai | maher: I can see that |
| 04:27.12 | ejka | adexta: is there a manual with your computer? |
| 04:27.18 | Mardus | Vyrus001: didn't specify if he wanted an opensource thing or not. he or she suggested that he wanted an anti-virus. |
| 04:27.23 | adexta | my computer is a 7 year old pentium 2 |
| 04:27.36 | adexta | any manual i may have at one point had is long gone |
| 04:27.42 | adexta | actually, correction |
| 04:28.00 | adexta | i never had a manual; this PC i got from my aunt when she got a PIII |
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| 04:28.29 | Mardus | Here's that serious question that I had last time. |
| 04:28.43 | Mardus | What is find doing as root when I haven't ordered it to do anything? |
| 04:28.59 | sanxiyn | Mardus: updatedb, most likely. |
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| 04:29.25 | Mardus | sanxiyn: and gzip was working too at the top |
| 04:29.36 | sanxiyn | Mardus: There is a cronjob indexing your disk, in order to speed up locate. |
| 04:29.49 | jack- | ok, downloaded and installed sarge, dmraid and libdevmapper (libdevmapper with apt-get install), but i still get this |
| 04:29.51 | Mardus | sanxiyn: Ah, ok... |
| 04:29.52 | jack- | room01:~# dmraid |
| 04:29.52 | jack- | dmraid: error while loading shared libraries: libdevmapper.so.1.00: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:29.57 | jack- | any clue? :< |
| 04:30.06 | sanxiyn | Mardus: If you don't want that, delete /etc/cron.daily/find . |
| 04:30.13 | Hentai | Thanks Mardus for your help |
| 04:30.17 | abrotman | where's stew been? |
| 04:30.19 | abrotman | bah . bed calls |
| 04:30.36 | Mardus | Hentai: ok. btw, I'm on that wiki page ;) |
| 04:31.27 | Hentai | Mardus go to the to the http://mrpalmguru.com/uncyclopedia/index.php?title=Main_Page and type in "hentai" |
| 04:31.56 | jack- | room01:~# ln -s /lib/libdevmapper.so.1.01 /lib/libdevmapper.so.100 |
| 04:31.56 | jack- | room01:~# dmraid |
| 04:31.56 | jack- | dmraid: error while loading shared libraries: libdevmapper.so.1.00: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:31.57 | jack- | :( |
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| 04:32.28 | bob2 | jack-: no, that won't help |
| 04:32.35 | bob2 | jack-: and you don't need to keep pasting that error |
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| 04:32.40 | jack- | what can i do? |
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| 04:33.14 | jack- | there is no 1.00 package of libdevmapper, only 1.01 |
| 04:33.18 | ejka | adexta: Well. What modules suse loaded? |
| 04:33.25 | jack- | how can i force dmraid to use that? |
| 04:33.34 | bob2 | jack-: you can't |
| 04:33.42 | jack- | what should i do then? ;) |
| 04:33.46 | bob2 | jack-: you need to bulid whatever program this is against the version of libdevmapper you have |
| 04:33.51 | Mardus | Hentai: underage robot magic dragons with .|. |
| 04:33.54 | jack- | ok |
| 04:33.54 | adexta | ejka: i can paste to #flood |
| 04:34.01 | jack- | lets try |
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| 04:34.21 | ejka | adexta: ok |
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| 04:35.04 | Hentai | lol Mardus |
| 04:35.39 | Mardus | The mrpalmguru version is more realistic |
| 04:35.43 | adexta | how can i upgrade to 2.6? |
| 04:35.49 | adexta | !dpkg 2.6 |
| 04:35.49 | dpkg | methinks 2.6 is /msg dpkg kp, or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt, or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm, or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6, or http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html for 2.4 to 2.6 differences long summary |
| 04:36.04 | ejka | adexta: where is no soundcard driver among them |
| 04:36.33 | jack- | omfg, dmraid just sucks i guess |
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| 04:36.42 | adexta | ejka: okay? |
| 04:36.54 | adexta | i'm stumped, and it worked fine on suse with 2.6 |
| 04:36.55 | jack- | tons of wack errors in devmapper.c |
| 04:37.01 | jack- | :( |
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| 04:37.21 | ejka | adexta: try to install alsa-modules |
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| 04:37.53 | Hentai | lol Mardus |
| 04:38.03 | adexta | Package alsa-modules is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 04:38.08 | jack- | other question..does anyone have libdevmapper.so.1.00 on his hd? ;) |
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| 04:38.19 | tga | I'm having some trouble installing the dotdeb.org php5 packages on sid, they seem to be made for woody.. |
| 04:39.10 | tga | ah, nm, I'll try dexter's package |
| 04:39.22 | adexta | dexter? |
| 04:39.28 | ejka | adexta: alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:39.36 | tga | http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 sid |
| 04:39.53 | adexta | oh |
| 04:39.56 | adexta | that's my last name |
| 04:40.23 | tga | is that you then? |
| 04:40.27 | adexta | nope |
| 04:40.29 | adexta | i'm a noob |
| 04:40.29 | timo | , |
| 04:40.33 | adexta | a. dexter |
| 04:40.36 | adexta | adexter |
| 04:40.44 | adexta | and "adexta" to make it sound more feminine |
| 04:40.49 | tga | alright, keep at it then |
| 04:41.34 | jack- | are you gay or female for real? ;p |
| 04:42.21 | RjY | ... |
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| 04:42.55 | adexta | i'm just fooling around |
| 04:43.06 | adexta | i thought "adexta" sounded more l33t |
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| 04:43.13 | jack- | heh |
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| 04:44.16 | C17H21NO4 | If I run discover, shouldn't it output something? |
| 04:44.36 | chealer | not for me |
| 04:45.02 | adexta | ejka: it worked! |
| 04:45.05 | adexta | thank you so much! |
| 04:45.29 | sanxiyn | C17H21NO4: Yes, it should. |
| 04:45.35 | Hentai | oh this is bad |
| 04:45.39 | adexta | karma_ejka++ |
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| 04:45.47 | C17H21NO4 | sanxiyn: What does it mean when it doesn't? |
| 04:45.47 | sanxiyn | Something like: |
| 04:45.49 | sanxiyn | Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] |
| 04:45.49 | sanxiyn | nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] |
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| 04:46.14 | C17H21NO4 | sanxiyn: i ran discover --enable-all, then nothing |
| 04:46.32 | Mardus | holo: thanks for advice: I now have more modern dillo and a gaim that can connect :) |
| 04:46.37 | sanxiyn | C17H21NO4: I think it should print "unknown" at the very least... |
| 04:46.37 | dondelelcaro | FE, the 5 and the 15 connect, but they never reconnect, whereas the 405 and 5 do, but the 10 and the 110 don't. |
| 04:46.43 | ryan_ | any idea why one my my two identical SCSI drives is running at 10MB/sec while the other is 20MB/sec? |
| 04:46.50 | jack- | is there any way to get older packages via apt-get? like, libdevmapper-1.00? |
| 04:46.50 | C17H21NO4 | sanxiyn: All I get is a newline. |
| 04:46.51 | Mike77 | Hello, me again. Do I have to burn all 17 CDs to install Sarge? |
| 04:46.56 | ryan_ | scsi0: Target 0: Queue Depth 28, Synchronous at 20.0 MB/sec, offset 15 |
| 04:46.57 | ryan_ | scsi0: Target 1: Queue Depth 28, Synchronous at 10.0 MB/sec, offset 15 |
| 04:47.05 | sanxiyn | Mikal: No, of course not. |
| 04:47.07 | Mardus | Mike77: No |
| 04:47.08 | chealer | Mike77: no, 1 is enough. you can get the netinstall too |
| 04:47.10 | jack- | mike77: no, just get the netinstall iso |
| 04:47.14 | ryan_ | Mike77: Do a net install if you can. |
| 04:47.29 | jack- | .oO(WISH I'D GET THAT MANY ANSWERS TOO :P) |
| 04:47.36 | dabreegster | Anybody ever used bootsplash? Does it slow things down a lot? Is it worth the kernel patch? Or should I try and set up an X script to launch some xterms and mimic the console? |
| 04:47.52 | bob2 | jack-: you're doing silly stuff tho |
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| 04:48.15 | jack- | not really, or am i? whats the wise smart way to get this shit working? :) |
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| 04:48.23 | ryan_ | jack-: you'd need to find/make a repository with the package you want, |
| 04:48.36 | C17H21NO4 | bob2: Downloading and burning 12 cd's to install debian is silly ;) |
| 04:48.49 | jack- | yeah, how could i do this? i'm really unexperienced with debian, sorry |
| 04:48.50 | Mike77 | Thanks. Can I perform a net install from Sarge CD1? |
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| 04:49.07 | ejka | jack-: try snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:49.14 | jack- | thx |
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| 04:50.05 | buu | dabreegster: What is bootsplash? |
| 04:50.26 | jack- | yeehaw |
| 04:50.29 | peterS | buu: graphical boot screen. yawn. |
| 04:50.33 | jack- | ejka: hugs |
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| 04:50.47 | buu | peterS: Oh |
| 04:50.49 | dabreegster | buu: some thing with the framebuffer that lets you have an image in the background of a console |
| 04:50.58 | dabreegster | buu: Eyecandy. |
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| 04:51.00 | buu | dabreegster: Yech =/ |
| 04:51.11 | buu | Terminals should be black, the way god intended |
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| 04:51.26 | dabreegster | buu: with bright alien green letters |
| 04:51.27 | sanxiyn | buu: My terminal's background is white. |
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| 04:51.33 | C17H21NO4 | I am trying to install woody remotely. I have it installed on a partition. When I reboot to debian, the logs indicate that it is stopping after mounting the partition. I can't tell what is going wrong |
| 04:51.52 | dabreegster | buu: I just started a website (no host yet :( ) about customizing the console. |
| 04:52.43 | tga | just use bashish :) |
| 04:52.59 | sanxiyn | bashish? |
| 04:53.20 | tga | google? |
| 04:53.22 | dabreegster | tga: no way. half the fun of the console is customizing it, learning how it works |
| 04:53.26 | jack- | ejka: got the proper package now, but how can i install it? |
| 04:53.29 | jack- | dpkg -i devmapper_1.00.20-1.tar.gz dpkg-deb: `devmapper_1.00.20-1.tar.gz' is not a debian format archive |
| 04:53.44 | jack- | :P |
| 04:53.52 | jack- | <3 dpkg |
| 04:53.59 | tga | the only console customization I do is 'setterm -inversescreen on' |
| 04:54.31 | buu | dabreegster: No host? |
| 04:54.39 | dabreegster | tga: the prompt, resolution (80x25 too small? no prob.), remapping the keyboard to be useful, ANSI/ASCII art... |
| 04:54.51 | Mardus | help |
| 04:54.55 | Mardus | sorry |
| 04:54.57 | dabreegster | buu: yeah, I'm running apache now for testing purposes, but my connection is not up to serving to anybody but localhost |
| 04:55.16 | buu | dabreegster: I've got a server, at least for a while |
| 04:55.24 | klex_ | how do i get color in console as root? |
| 04:55.45 | buu | klex_: Set the prompt |
| 04:55.49 | dabreegster | klex_: what kind of color? everything one color? color with ls? |
| 04:55.50 | tga | dabreegster: right, I have some stuff for the prompt too and I remap ctrl to caps lock |
| 04:55.59 | ejka | jack-: You should get .deb archive. not tar.gz |
| 04:56.10 | klex_ | dabreegster: yes color with ls |
| 04:56.16 | tga | klex_: ls --color |
| 04:56.18 | buu | klex_: alias ls=ls--color=auto |
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| 04:56.21 | sanxiyn | dpkg -i clue |
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| 04:56.25 | dabreegster | klex_: alias ls="ls --color=auto" |
| 04:56.51 | buu | ls --color | less # ! |
| 04:56.55 | dabreegster | tga: that's easy. what about mapping something in the number pad to execute a command without touching the current vt, a.k.a. using readline? |
| 04:56.57 | DoctaBu | I accidentally installed gnome, but I really want fluxbox instead. My tries to delete gnome have failed... |
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| 04:57.02 | jack- | ejka: snapshots only offers tgz..tried alien --to-deb now, followed by dpkg -i |
| 04:57.14 | jack- | Setting up devmapper-1.00.20 (1-2) ... |
| 04:57.23 | jack- | sounds good but i still get the same error with dmraid |
| 04:57.28 | dabreegster | tga: or having alt+f4 change to vt4 and execute a command? |
| 04:57.44 | Mardus | q |
| 04:57.46 | C17H21NO4 | !anyone? |
| 04:57.46 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 04:57.52 | buu | dabreegster: Now make my spare buttons execute a command =[ |
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| 04:58.20 | klex_ | ey :D |
| 04:58.24 | dabreegster | buu: I havent figured out how without using ReadLine. And if you're typing a command and you press the hotkey, everything messes up |
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| 04:58.53 | dabreegster | buu: the linux console tools project handles the keymaps and stuff. I've examined the source, but can't figure out how to define a new keysym (action) |
| 04:58.57 | buu | =[ |
| 04:59.08 | buu | How would you do it using ReadLine? |
| 04:59.12 | buu | And why wouldn't you use it? |
| 04:59.53 | jack- | think i'll give up |
| 04:59.56 | jack- | :< |
| 05:00.01 | dabreegster | buu: readline translates keycodes into other things. But doing bind "whatever":"ls -l" will mess you up if you're in the middle of typing a command |
| 05:00.02 | buu | tga: Ratpoison is sexy ^^ |
| 05:00.08 | buu | dabreegster: oh. |
| 05:00.19 | jack- | what are the snapshot images good for if its impossible to install them |
| 05:00.21 | jack- | sigh |
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| 05:00.37 | dabreegster | buu: and my practical application for this is this: Pressing a hotkey would send a signal to my music server to switch to the next track, without interrupting anything I'm doing. |
| 05:00.38 | tga | I like the combination of ion+pwm, some things were designed to float |
| 05:00.50 | bob2 | jack-: um, they're snapshots. they're not tested, that's the point. |
| 05:01.06 | dabreegster | buu: plus readline only works in readline apps. If you're in lynx or irssi, the hotkeys are useless. The keyboard driver will catch it though. |
| 05:01.07 | jack- | yeah but still, could be possible to install them or not ;) |
| 05:01.07 | bob2 | jack-: why don't you just build whatever this silly program is on Debian? |
| 05:01.09 | DoctaBu | Anybody> |
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| 05:01.12 | DoctaBu | I accidentally installed gnome, but I really want fluxbox instead. My tries to delete gnome have failed... |
| 05:01.14 | DoctaBu | Any ideeas? |
| 05:01.26 | jack- | because their makefile sucks too much, it wont build at all |
| 05:01.29 | jack- | i tried |
| 05:01.34 | chealer | !tell DoctaBu about remove gnome |
| 05:01.35 | tga | DoctaBu: learn to appreciate gnome? :) |
| 05:01.46 | dabreegster | buu: I can't quite read C, so trying to figure out how to write a new keysym for loadkeys is tough. |
| 05:01.47 | chealer | !remove gnome |
| 05:01.47 | dpkg | i guess remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 05:02.05 | chealer | why do the factoid say to use --purge? |
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| 05:02.42 | jack- | apparently, dmraid is intended for debian |
| 05:02.55 | jack- | i just need that damn libdevmapper-1.00 installed first |
| 05:03.29 | klex_ | how risky is it to enable hdparm? Do i risk loosing any data? |
| 05:03.29 | buu | dabreegster: Tragic |
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| 05:03.37 | dabreegster | buu: I know it can be done. Control+L will not touch the current command you're typing. It just executes a command in the background. (In this case, it echos an escape sequence.) Other keysyms do do functions though, like that key sequence to print the kernel config |
| 05:03.48 | tga | klex_: make sure you know what you're doing before messing with hdparm |
| 05:04.07 | DoctaBu | Ok, tga. |
| 05:04.12 | DoctaBu | I already purged it. |
| 05:04.14 | sanxiyn | Hey, gnomebaker is now in the archive. Great. |
| 05:04.14 | bob2 | klex_: depends on how bad your chipset is |
| 05:04.26 | tga | klex_: bad options risk to lead to file system corruption |
| 05:04.33 | DoctaBu | Now when I try "startx," I get a login screen, then nothing but that ugly gray houndstooth background |
| 05:05.07 | klex_ | is it some options that are more safe than others? |
| 05:05.29 | fooz | klex_, they're all equally unsafe besides --help |
| 05:05.50 | tga | klex_: the only winning move is not to play |
| 05:06.07 | fooz | which is only marginally unsafe |
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| 05:07.04 | klex_ | hm.... to do or not to do... :p |
| 05:07.28 | ejka | klex_: when it works -- don't touch |
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| 05:07.39 | fooz | --help probably won't erase your disks, but as it says in the license, the software is provided AS IS, and all warranties, including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose are disclaimed.. |
| 05:08.56 | klex_ | but it is possible to get a significant faster transfer of data? |
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| 05:09.39 | fooz | klex_, if you configure your kernel right, it will auto-tune things to be safe and fast, in that order |
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| 05:10.48 | klex_ | frogz: i see, i have a lot of reading to do :) |
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| 05:12.02 | angel12 | can someone help me set up alsa |
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| 05:13.06 | klex_ | angel12: alsaconf? |
| 05:13.16 | dabreegster | angel12: did you get the packages and check that your card is supported? |
| 05:15.38 | angel12 | alsaconf worked, thanks |
| 05:16.01 | klex_ | :) |
| 05:16.04 | DoctaBu | Heeelp! I installed gnome THEN the x-window-system. Now, I wanted to get rid of gnome and use fluxbox instead. I apt-get --purge'd gnome and apt-get install'd fluxbox. Now, when I startx, I get the regular x login screen, but then it hangs on the gray houndstooth background without doing anything at all. Any help? |
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| 05:16.50 | mwilson | DoctaBu: <sigh> Did you add fluxcrap to your ~/.xsession ? |
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| 05:17.23 | tga | DoctaBu: gnome probably corrupted your system, you can't run anything else on it now |
| 05:17.29 | DoctaBu | :|? |
| 05:17.36 | mwilson | Ignore the idiot. |
| 05:17.47 | DoctaBu | Ok... |
| 05:17.52 | DoctaBu | no, I didn't, mwilson. |
| 05:17.58 | angel12 | gnome rocks tga, shut your face cause you better not use kde |
| 05:18.01 | DoctaBu | i must let you know, however, that I am an idiot also. |
| 05:18.20 | bob2 | angel12: god, stop it |
| 05:18.21 | mwilson | DoctaBu: Then why are you surprised that it doesn't launch fluxcrap? |
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| 05:18.31 | jond3rd | what's wrong with kde? |
| 05:18.33 | bob2 | tga: stop being useless, kthx |
| 05:19.04 | tga | DoctaBu: echo "exec fluxbox" > ~/.xsession |
| 05:19.06 | DoctaBu | Because I'm a linux idiot and I don't know what to do to get flux...crap running correctly |
| 05:19.08 | tga | here, I'm being useful |
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| 05:19.57 | DoctaBu | ok, now..? |
| 05:20.11 | tga | DoctaBu: log in again and you should get fluxbox |
| 05:20.12 | mwilson | $ startx |
| 05:20.24 | mwilson | Why would he have to log out and back in? |
| 05:21.06 | tga | to make sure the whole thing works I guess, it's not like he has any open apps or anything |
| 05:21.47 | mwilson | Did he say he was using a display manager, and I just missed it? |
| 05:21.55 | mwilson | Or did he say he was using startx? |
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| 05:22.24 | DoctaBu | nope. |
| 05:22.24 | tga | he said he gets the 'usual X login screen' |
| 05:22.31 | DoctaBu | no luck, tga |
| 05:23.10 | tga | DoctaBu: you did install fluxbox, right? |
| 05:23.14 | DoctaBu | yep |
| 05:23.17 | DoctaBu | apt-get install fluxbox |
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| 05:24.19 | chaps0063 | how do I switch my default wm from fluxbox to gnome? |
| 05:24.55 | Mike77 | Partitioning for Sarge. On a 4GB disk, does this look ok? 500MB for /, 2xRAM for SWAP, 2700MB for /usr, 500MB for /home. |
| 05:24.56 | mwilson | Gnome isn't a window manager. |
| 05:25.05 | ejka | chaps0063: man update-alternatives? |
| 05:25.06 | tga | echo "exec gnome-session" > ~/.xsession |
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| 05:25.10 | mwilson | Why would you do 2x RAM? |
| 05:25.25 | tga | or rather as ejka says |
| 05:25.28 | mwilson | chaps0063: First, forget that update-alternatives even exists. |
| 05:25.28 | Mike77 | 2xRAM was recommended for woody |
| 05:25.37 | chaps0063 | ok. |
| 05:25.50 | Mike77 | I'm using the same partitioning scheme as woody |
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| 05:26.29 | chaps0063 | I'm fairly low on the linux totem pole, I still need to learn. |
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| 05:26.58 | cire | I want to do a nmap scan in my local network, but I only want to get the machines, on which a specific port is open. What would be the nmap syntax? (I want to supress the machines with the port not open) |
| 05:27.01 | mwilson | chaps0063: If you're using a DE, it should already know how to start up Gnome. If you're not, launch gnome-session yourself. |
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| 05:27.20 | chaps0063 | ok |
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| 05:27.31 | tga | s/DE/DM ? |
| 05:27.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 05:28.06 | mwilson | Yes, DM, not DE. |
| 05:28.11 | mwilson | Gnome would be the DE. |
| 05:28.19 | klex_ | i get a error message everytime i launch a application, "/.gtkrc-2.0:2: Unable to find include file: ".gtkrc-2.0-scrollbar_cog"... any ideas? |
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| 05:28.44 | chaps0063 | I try to start gnome-session and it says GTK Warning cannot open display. |
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| 05:28.59 | bob2 | klex_: that doesn't sound very confusing |
| 05:29.08 | bob2 | klex_: look in the file and see the line that tries to include that file |
| 05:29.10 | mwilson | X has to be running first. |
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| 05:29.22 | mwilson | That's why you put it in your .xsession |
| 05:29.34 | chaps0063 | ok. |
| 05:30.43 | chaps0063 | mwilson: got it. I did echo "exec gnome-session" > ./xsession and then I did startx |
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| 05:31.31 | klex_ | bob2: so you mean just delete the hole line? |
| 05:31.45 | jm_ | klex_: or comment it out ... |
| 05:31.51 | klex_ | ;) |
| 05:31.51 | tga | chaps0063: if you have all gnome installed anyway you could also install gdm and get a nice login screen |
| 05:32.35 | chaps0063 | tga: thanks...I have gdm installed, will it automatically pick it up? |
| 05:32.43 | tga | chaps0063: yes, it should |
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| 05:33.24 | tga | chaps0063: .xsession is your 'default session' in a DM's list.. all the installed window managers should be in there too |
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| 05:34.14 | hoopy | what's a megabyte? |
| 05:34.25 | buu | Smaller than a keenobyte. |
| 05:34.46 | tga | a really large byte |
| 05:35.18 | jack- | a bloated superbyte, kind of |
| 05:35.19 | chaps0063 | tga: thanks. |
| 05:35.22 | chaps0063 | mwilson: thanks. |
| 05:35.38 | jack- | just stick to kilobytes, they're big enough already |
| 05:35.45 | hoopy | is fink based on apt-get? |
| 05:35.56 | jack- | no, but inspired by apt-get |
| 05:36.04 | jack- | uses the same package format too |
| 05:36.05 | mwilson | fink is based on the Debian toolchain. |
| 05:36.11 | klex_ | tga: large byte? LOL |
| 05:36.13 | vchrizz | hoopy: kilo = 1000 of something ... mega = 1.000.000 of something |
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| 05:36.24 | klex_ | dont think thats is really true :) |
| 05:36.24 | mwilson | You can use apt-get if you like, or dselect. |
| 05:36.27 | hoopy | vchrizz: the megabyte thing was a joke |
| 05:36.34 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | isnt it 1024? |
| 05:36.37 | hoopy | yes |
| 05:36.38 | hoopy | it is |
| 05:36.43 | vchrizz | uhm, depends |
| 05:36.47 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | thought so.. |
| 05:36.50 | mwilson | If apt-get whines at you, do $ sudo fink index first. |
| 05:36.50 | hoopy | when you're tlaking about bytes |
| 05:36.54 | hoopy | it's 2^9 |
| 05:37.10 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | 2 to the 9th = 1024? |
| 05:37.14 | cafuego | And that is the new gnome splash screen, then. |
| 05:37.14 | hoopy | yap |
| 05:37.22 | cafuego | dpkg, 2**9 |
| 05:37.22 | dpkg | 512 |
| 05:37.26 | vchrizz | could someone tell me any legal use of reverse-ssh ? |
| 05:37.28 | hoopy | oops |
| 05:37.32 | hoopy | 2^10 |
| 05:37.32 | hoopy | ;x |
| 05:37.35 | cafuego | !slap hoopy |
| 05:37.45 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hehehe |
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| 05:37.56 | jack- | !kick dmraid |
| 05:38.01 | jack- | thx |
| 05:38.06 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | heh |
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| 05:38.20 | hoopy | i should get some sleep |
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| 05:38.31 | [mortck] | hi folks: any unixodbc freaks in here? |
| 05:38.31 | cafuego | 's a bit early for that, innit? |
| 05:38.32 | hoopy | programming for 13 hours takes it out of you |
| 05:38.45 | [mortck] | seems like there exist some problems with odbc under testing |
| 05:38.46 | bob2 | programming always makes me hungry |
| 05:38.51 | cafuego | [mortck]: They were here last month but committed collective suicide |
| 05:38.55 | bob2 | [mortck]: file a bug then |
| 05:38.56 | tga | jack-: why not just use mdadm? |
| 05:39.03 | jack- | mdadm?? |
| 05:39.05 | buu | cafuego: I thought you were banned for gnaa trolling |
| 05:39.08 | [mortck] | odbc suxxxs |
| 05:39.11 | buu | Oh, that was caphusu |
| 05:39.12 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | are there any good docs to read that were installed w/ sarge? where would they be ? |
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| 05:39.17 | cafuego | buu: banning is what happens to other people. |
| 05:39.24 | tga | jack-: raid management tool? |
| 05:39.31 | cafuego | SPEEDing|V\oNK: /usr/share/doc/ |
| 05:39.38 | buu | cafuego: I'm having trouble distinguishing names that start with the same letters. |
| 05:39.42 | hoopy | cafuego: yuo != teh funnay |
| 05:39.44 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | ahh i stoped at /usr/doc |
| 05:39.49 | jack- | tga: sounds nice, does it support promise fasttracks too? |
| 05:39.51 | cafuego | bob2: say whatnow? |
| 05:39.55 | fooz | keke |
| 05:40.05 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | thx cafuego |
| 05:40.11 | cafuego | jack-: They're just ide controllers, of course the kernel supports them. |
| 05:40.13 | bob2 | fooz: you zoof |
| 05:40.20 | cafuego | bob2: you buu |
| 05:40.21 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | tab nick compleation > * |
| 05:40.21 | dabreegster | buu: is that the same thing as saying you depend too much on autocompletion of names? :P |
| 05:40.31 | jack- | !slap fooz |
| 05:40.34 | vchrizz | please tell me what for reverse-ssh could be legaly used? |
| 05:40.37 | chaps0063 | is there an easy way to install php? |
| 05:40.38 | jack- | ok, i'll check it out - thx! |
| 05:40.39 | tga | jack-: it does software raids, I don't think the controller chipset matters |
| 05:40.45 | hoopy | aphex twin > * < tab completion |
| 05:40.51 | buu | dabreegster: heh, I guess so |
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| 05:40.56 | streuner_ | chaps0063: apt-get install php4? |
| 05:40.56 | hoopy | er |
| 05:40.58 | cafuego | buu: I also doubt that caphuso was banned, seeing as he's actually an op. |
| 05:41.02 | hoopy | aphex twin > * > tab completion |
| 05:41.14 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | > and < patent pending* |
| 05:41.15 | hoopy | aphex twin > * > tab completion > linkin park |
| 05:41.17 | buu | cafuego: Why was he spamming GNAA such then? |
| 05:41.17 | cafuego | chaps0063: apt-get install php4 |
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| 05:41.23 | jstevens | huh?/ |
| 05:41.24 | chaps0063 | :-) thanks streuner_, cafuego |
| 05:41.26 | cafuego | buu: wtf is GNAA ? |
| 05:41.29 | hoopy | aphex twin > * > tab completion > diarrhea > linkin park |
| 05:41.29 | buu | ... |
| 05:41.39 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hehe |
| 05:41.40 | chaps0063 | I tried apt-get install php before, that would make sense. |
| 05:41.40 | streuner_ | !gnaa |
| 05:41.41 | fooz | haha |
| 05:41.43 | tga | chaps0063: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 :) |
| 05:41.51 | Xenguy | buu: maybe yer the one who's spamming/trolling ? |
| 05:42.00 | buu | Xenguy: I am? |
| 05:42.08 | buu | chaps0063: Missing php is a feature! |
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| 05:42.24 | Xenguy | buu: just asking the question =) |
| 05:42.24 | hoopy | hey now i like php |
| 05:42.30 | hoopy | you can make some money with that stuff |
| 05:42.34 | buu | =[ |
| 05:42.39 | chaps0063 | tga, thanks. |
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| 05:43.02 | cafuego | tga: Coz sarge hasn't been released. |
| 05:43.05 | mwilson | Gods, paypal phishers must all use the same... what would you call it? Not rootkit... phishkit? |
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| 05:43.16 | chaps0063 | tga: that will install apache2 and php? |
| 05:43.16 | hoopy | php is everywhere |
| 05:43.19 | dabreegster | hoopy: best php script: <?php exec("./foo.pl"); ?> |
| 05:43.33 | fooz | <??> |
| 05:43.35 | cafuego | mwilson: Please enter your username an password in http://ebay.cafuego.net/ - thankyou. |
| 05:43.36 | hoopy | does perl have an oo stuff? |
| 05:43.45 | hoopy | any* |
| 05:43.45 | caphuso | hoopy: lots |
| 05:43.49 | tga | chaps0063: that will install the apache2 php4 module.. I don't know if apache2 is a dependency or not |
| 05:43.54 | hoopy | is perl weakly typed? |
| 05:43.54 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | perl is cool |
| 05:44.01 | cafuego | dabreegster: That exits with "No such file or directory" and this as such not highly useful. |
| 05:44.05 | tga | dead people are cool |
| 05:44.06 | buu | hoopy: No |
| 05:44.10 | Xenguy | mwilson: I was going to say 'worm', but that's not it ;-) |
| 05:44.12 | chaps0063 | tga: ok cool, thanks. do you have any insight on mailservers for debian? |
| 05:44.17 | chaps0063 | or linux in general. |
| 05:44.18 | hoopy | i dunno |
| 05:44.21 | mwilson | cafuego: The HTML always looks exactly the same... only thing different is the zombied server IP where their dot-dir holding the pages is. |
| 05:44.24 | tga | chaps0063: apt-get install postfix |
| 05:44.25 | hoopy | i have only done simple stuff with perl |
| 05:44.30 | caphuso | hoopy: explain "weekly typed" |
| 05:44.37 | caphuso | err, weakly typed |
| 05:44.40 | buu | Perl is strongly typed |
| 05:44.44 | hoopy | var $example = "5" |
| 05:44.57 | hoopy | $blah = $example + 1 |
| 05:45.00 | buu | C is weak and static, perl is strong and dynamic |
| 05:45.03 | hoopy | echo $blah // 6 |
| 05:45.03 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | perls great |
| 05:45.06 | buu | if anyone cares. |
| 05:45.07 | dabreegster | cafuego: Point is Perl can do any good thing PHP can, plus more. And it's not bloated. And it's modular. |
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| 05:45.20 | tga | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.28 | mwilson | If perl lets you do "5" + "5" and get "10", then it's not strongly typed. :) |
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| 05:45.39 | buu | mwilson: Um, you missunderstand the definition. |
| 05:45.45 | buu | mwilson: Perl lets you add any two scalars. |
| 05:45.50 | cafuego | unisgned int i = -1; |
| 05:45.51 | buu | You aren't changing the types. They're still scalars. |
| 05:45.53 | caphuso | # perl -le 'print "5" + "5";' |
| 05:45.53 | caphuso | 10 |
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| 05:46.00 | buu | C is weakly typed because you can change the type. |
| 05:46.07 | zignig | mwilson: phucked (v. tr.): To be taken advantage, betrayed, cheated or victimised by a phishing scam. |
| 05:46.14 | hoopy | so you mean any language you can typecast in is weakly typed? |
| 05:46.24 | buu | hoopy: basically |
| 05:46.27 | tga | typecasting isn't changing the type |
| 05:46.31 | buu | tga: Sure it is. |
| 05:46.39 | jack- | tga: mdadm does software raid, not more |
| 05:46.42 | hoopy | i can't imagine being able to do a whole lot in a language that fits your definition of strongly typed |
| 05:46.42 | mwilson | These things are SO obviously phishing scams, when you read them with mutt. :) |
| 05:46.47 | tga | jack-: indeed |
| 05:46.51 | OrangeRoot1000 | i am running sarge and just did an install on a compaq presario 2100us. during the kernel upgrade to 2.6.11 i made sure that alsa was configured in the kernel but i dont have any sound. for some reason i get an error that aumix can not start.. ideas? |
| 05:46.54 | jack- | i need something to support the (already existing) hardware raid |
| 05:46.54 | cafuego | jack-: So does a fasttrack, so that's fine. |
| 05:46.56 | buu | hoopy: You'd be amazed what you can do in perl. |
| 05:47.05 | hoopy | i know dude |
| 05:47.08 | tga | jack-: sorry, don't know anything about that |
| 05:47.08 | hoopy | slashdot = perl |
| 05:47.10 | zignig | mwilson: heh , hence using a good mail client is a good thing |
| 05:47.14 | jack- | ok :< |
| 05:47.29 | hoopy | but WUTEVA |
| 05:47.30 | cafuego | jack-: Thing is, a fasttrack uses proprietary software raid, so you're probably abit stuck. |
| 05:47.37 | hoopy | later debian doods |
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| 05:47.46 | fooz | later hoopy frood |
| 05:47.46 | hoopy | lo |
| 05:47.52 | jack- | yeah, its like a hw raid for the system |
| 05:48.05 | cafuego | mwilson: Your 'mutt' doesn't discard html mail? |
| 05:48.06 | hoopy | i wish i had a raid |
| 05:48.07 | hoopy | :[ |
| 05:48.09 | peterS | tga: if you like cpu suck, try raid6 |
| 05:48.17 | peterS | tga: it does require one more disk |
| 05:48.19 | cafuego | peterS: The kernel doesn't do RAID6. |
| 05:48.25 | peterS | cafuego: recent 2.6 kernels do |
| 05:48.31 | fooz | cafuego, lies |
| 05:48.33 | zignig | jack-: http://colby.tjs.org/~brendandg/promise-ft66-howto/howto.html#2 |
| 05:48.35 | mwilson | cafuego: Since when is that the MUA's job? Nah, I auto_view text/html |
| 05:48.39 | cafuego | peterS: 2.6.11.6 (which I just finished configuring) seems not to. |
| 05:48.40 | tga | any idea if it's possible to add a disk to a software raid5? |
| 05:48.44 | fooz | xen kernels don't do raid6 though |
| 05:48.49 | peterS | cafuego: strange, I could have sworn ... let me check |
| 05:48.49 | bob2 | hah |
| 05:48.58 | zignig | bob2: bleh! to you and your cats. |
| 05:48.59 | mwilson | cafuego: Although it gives preference to text/plain if there is one. |
| 05:49.06 | bob2 | raid-6 is like a whole 1 one better than raid-5 |
| 05:49.08 | tga | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.10 | tga | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.12 | bob2 | zignig: and to your duckies! |
| 05:49.21 | peterS | cafuego: depends on BLK_DEV_MD && EXPERIMENTAL |
| 05:49.21 | fooz | I like my raids faulty |
| 05:49.26 | mwilson | cafuego: I usually 'e'dit the message if I'm curious and look at it in vim before deleting it. |
| 05:49.26 | peterS | cafuego: you probably don't have CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL on |
| 05:49.31 | cafuego | peterS: Aah, I got EXPERIMENTAL off. |
| 05:50.02 | cafuego | peterS: It's a scary Dell P2/400 box, I'm afraid to enabel ANYTHING in case it blows up ;-) |
| 05:50.06 | peterS | hehe |
| 05:50.47 | zignig | bob2: quack! |
| 05:50.52 | tga | any idea if it's possible to add a disk to a _working_ software raid5? |
| 05:51.00 | peterS | tga: I don't think it is |
| 05:51.09 | bob2 | that would change the geometry |
| 05:51.17 | cafuego | mwilson: hmm... i don't actually get much html mail anymore, clamav tends to trash it for me ;-) |
| 05:51.24 | peterS | tga: in theory it would be possible to take a raid5 array offline and rearrange it with a new disk in it. but I don't know of any tool that can actually do it |
| 05:51.30 | cafuego | tga: Add it as a hot spare, sure. |
| 05:52.14 | tga | heh, I'm SOL then, I'm running out of space |
| 05:52.23 | cafuego | tga: This is why you add your first raid5 device to an LVM group. just add the second raid5 array later and expand that way. |
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| 05:52.54 | peterS | cafuego: that requires adding several disks at a time. but yes, that'd probably be the best way |
| 05:52.59 | fooz | raidreconf might be able to do it |
| 05:53.16 | fooz | yeh.. it says it can grow RAID-5s |
| 05:53.24 | cafuego | peterS: You can always add 'em one at a time when you can afford them and run them as hot spares until you have enough for a new array. |
| 05:53.30 | tga | thanks fooz, I'll look into it |
| 05:53.50 | peterS | cafuego: good point. but what'd be the point of buying disks you aren't using? just save up the money until you can buy them all. after you have adequate hot spares, I mean |
| 05:53.58 | bob2 | "I originally chose XFCE because it had low memory requirements and had much of the same polish that existed in CDE. " |
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| 05:54.02 | bob2 | haha CDE |
| 05:54.06 | fooz | haha XFCE |
| 05:54.11 | cafuego | haha Polish |
| 05:54.13 | peterS | yeah, CDE is not exactly what I'd consider beautiful |
| 05:54.21 | peterS | polished, maybe, but not in a particularly good way |
| 05:54.22 | fooz | haha chose |
| 05:54.37 | peterS | haha existed |
| 05:54.41 | fusibou | I recently updated my debian sid laptop and DVDs no longer work with xine, totem or mplayer. checked paths. totem complains about missing libdvdcss but it's there. |
| 05:54.52 | bob2 | fusibou: maybe you need livdvdcss3 now |
| 05:54.55 | chaps0063 | tga: its still not processing php directives correctly. |
| 05:54.56 | cafuego | !zoof fooz |
| 05:54.56 | dpkg | fooz: you zoof |
| 05:55.03 | fooz | I have a twisted urge to rewrite LambdaMOO in LambdaMOO |
| 05:55.05 | tga | fusibou: libdvdcss is illegal and imoral, not to mention fattening |
| 05:55.05 | chaps0063 | tga: is there anything I need to add to httpd.conf? |
| 05:55.12 | fusibou | bob2 hm. where did I get 3? |
| 05:55.22 | cafuego | @create new MOO called LamdaMOO |
| 05:55.34 | cafuego | s/called/named/ |
| 05:55.36 | peterS | not to be confused with lambdamoo? |
| 05:55.37 | fooz | no. @create LambdaMOO named new MOO |
| 05:55.40 | cafuego | fooz: Want the Julebox? |
| 05:55.44 | cafuego | juke |
| 05:55.46 | fooz | cafuego, eh? |
| 05:55.53 | bob2 | fusibou: dunno |
| 05:55.54 | cafuego | fooz: I have a Jukebox in LambdaMOO |
| 05:55.58 | fooz | cafuego, you mixed up your dobj and iobj |
| 05:56.00 | bob2 | the same place you got 2 from, I'd assume |
| 05:56.06 | bob2 | isn't lambdamoo that lisp thing? |
| 05:56.08 | fusibou | tga so is fud |
| 05:56.08 | fooz | cafuego, eh.. no thanks |
| 05:56.09 | fooz | bob2, no |
| 05:56.21 | cafuego | fooz: But it plays a right said fred song! |
| 05:56.33 | bob2 | haha, xfce has a graphical installer |
| 05:56.41 | tga | fusibou: that means you probably won't find it on a debian mirror, you need to add an extra apt-source |
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| 05:56.50 | fooz | bob2, It's a MUD originally written by Steve White (then called MOO), then taken over by Pavel Curtis (of PARC) and renamed LambdaMOO. It's got a very simple language that resembles Python a lot actually |
| 05:57.00 | fooz | bob2, haha graphical |
| 05:57.29 | fooz | cafuego, that's happened to me a few times |
| 05:57.36 | fooz | mine was great, too |
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| 05:58.14 | fusibou | tga thanks but i alread have marillat and videolan repositories. hm |
| 05:58.14 | chaps0063 | apt-get install mysql - will this work? |
| 05:58.18 | tga | fusibou: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main, then apt-get install libdvdcss |
| 05:58.35 | fusibou | tga thanks i already have it but it stopped working |
| 05:58.37 | jack- | zignig: thx, i'll try that when i get up |
| 05:58.38 | bob2 | chaps0063: in that it will say "package does not exist", yes |
| 05:58.39 | Coke | Why does my nickname get hijacked even though security is ON? It's getting tiresom to release and recover my nick every damn time. |
| 05:58.42 | bob2 | chaps0063: did you mean mysql-server? |
| 05:58.49 | fooz | cafuego, whoa |
| 05:58.49 | chaps0063 | bob2: yes. |
| 05:58.51 | tga | fusibou: erm.. I don't know then |
| 05:58.55 | cafuego | Sadly the MORON with the backup formatted his box and installed windows. |
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| 05:59.09 | chaps0063 | bob2: is there anything like apt-get install libapache2-mod-mysql ? |
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| 05:59.15 | fooz | cafuego, my last MOO's got a sci-fi game with ideas stolen from everywhere and hardly any code stolen from anywhere |
| 05:59.26 | bob2 | chaps0063: why don't you check? |
| 05:59.29 | cafuego | fooz: And day/night cycled with an unlimited numbers of moons/suns (it was a space themed moo) |
| 05:59.32 | bob2 | chaps0063: apt-cache search apache mysql |
| 05:59.46 | zignig | jack-: np , ps they suck get a real raid card if you can. |
| 06:00.21 | jack- | its not my box, i'm just the last resort of a clueless user :) i would. |
| 06:00.42 | klex_ | bah cant get oss emulation to work, think a bit sleep just are the thing |
| 06:00.42 | chaps0063 | what do I need to install/configure to allow SSH to my box? |
| 06:00.54 | bob2 | chaps0063: openssh-server |
| 06:00.57 | chaps0063 | ok. |
| 06:01.01 | bob2 | or just "ssh" |
| 06:01.01 | chaps0063 | ty |
| 06:01.13 | fooz | cafuego, we never got as far as that.. had a fully working space though |
| 06:02.03 | cafuego | fooz: *nod* The moving shit requires some thought and a single thread, gets a bit bad when user start spawning threaded monsters at random on a 486 host ;-) |
| 06:02.11 | fooz | cafuego, mostly based on star trek.. had sublight, FTL and space-folding drives, computers that responded to typed english commands, all the shipboard weapons you could want, personal computers and PDAs and cell phones, and ASCII-art 3D radar displays with zooming |
| 06:02.45 | fooz | cafuego, the space folding drives were fun.. they created a wormhole at your location.. so you could suck in other ships with you |
| 06:02.55 | cafuego | fooz: <heh> great idea :-) |
| 06:03.37 | fooz | I've been meaning to convert it into a 3D multiplayer game but I have no motivation for anything anymore.. but trolling #debian |
| 06:03.41 | fooz | what a shame |
| 06:03.52 | nedz | has chkfontpath been deprecated for something else? |
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| 06:04.09 | nedz | i was attempting to install artwiz pack system wide |
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| 06:04.32 | BrianAnthony | does anyone in here have a working ac'97 driver for ALSA? |
| 06:04.45 | wilbertoki | how can I disable x server switching with ctrl alt f1, f7 etc... |
| 06:04.52 | peterS | BrianAnthony: ac97 is not specific enough. several audio chipsets use it |
| 06:04.53 | caphuso | !ac97 |
| 06:04.53 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 06:05.10 | BrianAnthony | peterS: well, the one I have is a RealTek |
| 06:05.13 | wilbertoki | and cut down on the number of ttys opened -- I want to optimize my 256 mb of ram |
| 06:05.19 | BrianAnthony | I had a VIA ac'97 working |
| 06:05.20 | bob2 | wilbertoki: there's an option for that |
| 06:05.23 | BrianAnthony | but I changed outmy motherboard |
| 06:05.25 | bob2 | wilbertoki: hah, disabling vt's will not help |
| 06:05.39 | peterS | BrianAnthony: no, it's probably a VIA motherboard. the realtek part is not relevant. anyway, the driver 'snd-via82xx' is what you are probably looking for |
| 06:05.43 | chaps0063 | ok, time to jet, thanks for all your help everyone. |
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| 06:05.47 | wilbertoki | bob2: any suggestions for me? |
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| 06:05.59 | bob2 | wilbertoki: don't use gnome or kde |
| 06:06.06 | BrianAnthony | peterS: my motherboard is a Giga-Byte |
| 06:06.34 | BrianAnthony | I have RealTek AC'97 audio |
| 06:06.37 | peterS | BrianAnthony: that tells me little. could still be an Intel chipset, SiS chipset, VIA chipset, etc. |
| 06:06.42 | wilbertoki | bob2: well other than that lol, I mean Ive tried xfce4 and its good and enlightenment but they are just not as polished as gnome |
| 06:06.56 | BrianAnthony | It's a nForce2 Ultra 400 chipsey |
| 06:07.00 | BrianAnthony | chipset, even |
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| 06:07.09 | fooz | that's what they needed to know |
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| 06:07.20 | fooz | nforce2 uses intel i810 driver |
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| 06:07.27 | DebUser_ | Hello |
| 06:07.30 | fooz | snd-intel8x0 |
| 06:07.32 | BrianAnthony | even for RealTek AC'97 Audio? |
| 06:07.37 | DebUser_ | How can I see how long a process has been running? |
| 06:07.54 | peterS | BrianAnthony: yes. 'snd-intel8x0' |
| 06:08.00 | smacnay | BrianAnthony: snd_intel8x0 is what you will need. |
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| 06:08.15 | peterS | BrianAnthony: the realtek chip is only a helper chip. the actual sound chip is part of the nvidia chipset and uses snd-intel8x0. |
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| 06:09.04 | BrianAnthony | peterS: then how would I go about getting that driver to work? |
| 06:09.06 | cg0def | vmware works in debian right? |
| 06:09.16 | caphuso | cg0def: sure |
| 06:09.16 | bob2 | as much as it works anywhere |
| 06:09.22 | peterS | BrianAnthony: add 'snd-intel8x0' and probably 'snd-pcm-oss' to /etc/modules |
| 06:09.30 | peterS | BrianAnthony: also, 'modprobe snd-intel8x0' and 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' |
| 06:09.45 | peterS | BrianAnthony: the latter is for right now, the former is so that the same will continue to work after you reboot |
| 06:10.13 | cg0def | does anyone know if it's possible to use a tv tuner through vmware? |
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| 06:10.37 | cg0def | have a usb one and does not work in linux |
| 06:10.54 | BrianAnthony | peterS: I don't have either of those modules loaded |
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| 06:11.07 | peterS | BrianAnthony: I know. you should. then your sound will work. |
| 06:11.10 | wilbertoki | anyone know how to disable all logging on my system |
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| 06:11.56 | caphuso | you don't |
| 06:11.59 | fooz | wilbertoki, one way's to turn it off.. |
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| 06:12.20 | BrianAnthony | where can I fid the alsa drivers? |
| 06:12.39 | wilbertoki | fooz: where would I do that? |
| 06:12.40 | peterS | BrianAnthony: what kernel version are you running? please report the output of 'uname -r' |
| 06:13.01 | cafuego | fooz: So does nforce3 (except it doesn't work) |
| 06:13.08 | fooz | wilbertoki, the other is to modify the kernel and remove exported functions that append to the kernel ring buffer.. remove syscalls that do the same.. remove the syscalls from the C library.. make kprintf do nothing.. remove syslogd |
| 06:13.18 | fooz | wilbertoki, uhh, you don't know how to turn your computer off? |
| 06:13.20 | fusibou | although I have libdvdcss2 installed, only non-encrypted dvds play after my last debian sid update. hm. |
| 06:13.35 | wilbertoki | fooz: lol I thought you meant turn off logging |
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| 06:14.09 | wilbertoki | fooz: I was thinking if my computer didnt have to do any logging it would run faster |
| 06:14.25 | ejka | wilbertoki: no it won't |
| 06:14.37 | BrianAnthony | peterS: it's a 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 06:14.53 | peterS | BrianAnthony: 2.6 kernels already have alsa drivers available - no need to look elsewhere for them |
| 06:14.55 | fooz | wilbertoki, nah |
| 06:15.05 | BrianAnthony | peterS: then how do I get the modules to load? |
| 06:15.15 | fooz | wilbertoki, want to speed up your computer? add RAM, then upgrade your disk IO subsystem, then your CPU |
| 06:15.17 | BrianAnthony | should I add those modules to /etc/modules and reboot? |
| 06:15.21 | fooz | wilbertoki, in that order |
| 06:15.30 | peterS | BrianAnthony: does 'modprobe snd-intel8x0' work? that's what I suggested earlier |
| 06:15.39 | BrianAnthony | peterS: no, it doesn't |
| 06:15.53 | peterS | BrianAnthony: what does it do instead of working? I can't think of any good reasons it would not work |
| 06:16.16 | BrianAnthony | ALFRED:/home/brian# modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 06:16.16 | BrianAnthony | FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 not found. |
| 06:16.40 | fooz | BrianAnthony, you didn't compile any ALSA modules. Go rebuild your kernel and this time choose to build the ALSA drivers. |
| 06:16.59 | wilbertoki | fooz: ram is on the way, but a faster disc or cpu is out of the question because I can not spend any more money on computers! I have towork with what I have, a dell c600 pIII 750 |
| 06:17.00 | BrianAnthony | I used pre-packaged kernels |
| 06:17.06 | BrianAnthony | I don't know how to compile my own kernel |
| 06:17.06 | BrianAnthony | lol |
| 06:17.11 | BrianAnthony | I'm a n00b |
| 06:17.17 | fooz | wilbertoki, that's plenty fast |
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| 06:17.20 | peterS | BrianAnthony: ok, that's odd. 2.6.8-1-k7 definitely has that module. I don't see why 2.6.8-2-k7 wouldn't |
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| 06:17.48 | wilbertoki | fooz: I would like it to be a little more responsive |
| 06:17.57 | fooz | wilbertoki, in what way? |
| 06:18.01 | wilbertoki | fooz: for instance, application load times are slow |
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| 06:18.14 | wilbertoki | fooz: opening firefox or open office takes a while |
| 06:18.24 | fooz | wilbertoki, why so? does your disk grind? |
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| 06:19.00 | fooz | wilbertoki, btw, firefox and openoffice are two of the biggest apps you'll ever run under linux, probably.. it's OK if they take a second to load :P |
| 06:19.01 | cafuego | HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 06:19.19 | fooz | cafuego, WHERE?!!one |
| 06:19.19 | wilbertoki | fooz: yes lots of disc grind |
| 06:19.20 | Guerin | !tell cafuego about ep |
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| 06:19.36 | fooz | wilbertoki, how much free memory do you have? |
| 06:19.45 | cafuego | That would previously 1) not work at all or 2) oops the kernel |
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| 06:20.35 | wilbertoki | fooz: currently I have 256 total, all of it but 3-6 megs gets used all the time but only 50 percent is for user memory and 50 for cache aprox |
| 06:20.50 | fooz | wilbertoki, are you sure you're reading things right? |
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| 06:20.57 | Guerin | wilbertoki: how fast do you want it? |
| 06:21.06 | fooz | wilbertoki, type 'free' and look at the -/+ buffers/cache: line |
| 06:21.14 | fooz | wilbertoki, the number all the way on the right of that line |
| 06:21.14 | BrianAnthony | peterS: in apt-cache I see alsa-modules-2.4.x-x-x |
| 06:21.22 | peterS | BrianAnthony: not terribly useful if you have a 2.6 kernel |
| 06:21.28 | BrianAnthony | oh, okay |
| 06:21.30 | BrianAnthony | just checking |
| 06:21.41 | wilbertoki | -/+ buffers/cache: 120588 136140 |
| 06:21.42 | BrianAnthony | why wouldn't there be a .deb for the latest kernel? |
| 06:21.43 | BrianAnthony | lol |
| 06:22.12 | rixth | !ops please remove RafaeL for msging porn links on entering channel |
| 06:22.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please remove RafaeL for msging porn links on entering channel |
| 06:22.19 | fooz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.24 | bob2 | better to say that in the channel |
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| 06:22.27 | maher | BrianAnthony: what kernel are you using |
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| 06:22.38 | BrianAnthony | maher: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 06:22.46 | wilbertoki | guerin: I am not speed freak, I would rather have a slower laptop than a 150 watt p4 desktop, but I think my machine can do better if I tune it right |
| 06:22.48 | peterS | BrianAnthony: don't know what to tell you. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7&version=unstable&arch=i386&page=28&number=50 shows that snd-intel8x0.ko definitely exists |
| 06:22.59 | Phaser_Printer | how do you add a launch menu in xfce? |
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| 06:23.43 | wilbertoki | fooz: so if I have all that free, would adding more ram speed things up because more could be used for cache? |
| 06:23.45 | Guerin | wilbertoki: well, your own kernel won't speed things up much. you can prelink openoffice, that might help there. firefox doesn't take long to load on my p2-233, so I can't see it being a hassle on a chip twice as fast... |
| 06:23.55 | fooz | wilbertoki, sure, a little |
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| 06:24.12 | rixth | Ok, #apache is dead, very fast question. I have apache setup on my box, I also have a virtual host 'php', what do I put in the address bar to access it? http://blog.localhost = nogo http://blog.debian = nogo http://blog.192.168.0.2 = nogo |
| 06:24.13 | Guerin | wilbertoki: the other thing you can do is install libc6-i686; I noticed a small boost there |
| 06:24.14 | fooz | Guerin, he's on a 750MHz P3, it's quite a bit faster than twice |
| 06:24.17 | wilbertoki | guerin: prelink open office yes thats what I was getting at -- the windows version has an option for that |
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| 06:24.19 | Guerin | oh, I forgot |
| 06:24.24 | Guerin | I just knew it was a p3 |
| 06:24.39 | Guerin | wilbertoki: apt-cache search prelink |
| 06:24.39 | bob2 | rixth: php.domain.com |
| 06:24.43 | maher | BrianAnthony: try ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko |
| 06:24.46 | bob2 | rixth: assuming your DNS is setup correctly |
| 06:24.51 | Phaser_Printer | how do you add a launch menu in xfce? |
| 06:25.06 | peterS | BrianAnthony: the reason .debs for alsa modules in 2.6 kernels do not exist is that with 2.6 kernels, alsa drivers are integrated into the main kernel already. since the source code is shipped with the kernel (which is not the case in kernel 2.4) there is no need for a separate package |
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| 06:25.07 | wilbertoki | this is a dell c600, the laptop processor might be a bit slower than a p3 desktop?? |
| 06:25.37 | Guerin | fooz: you're right, though. The jump between my p2-233 laptop and my p3-733 desktop is about six times |
| 06:25.40 | maher | wilbertoki: check dma is turned on - laptops have slower discs anyway |
| 06:26.17 | BrianAnthony | ALFRED:/home/brian# ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko |
| 06:26.18 | BrianAnthony | ls: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko: No such file or directory |
| 06:26.28 | wilbertoki | hdparm says I get 200mb sec cached read and 10 mb sec buffered disc read |
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| 06:26.35 | peterS | BrianAnthony: do other files exist in that same directory? |
| 06:26.36 | rixth | bob2, no, what is does, it goes and looks up phrpp.spectrumenterises.org as being my IP address, then, I get directed to the login page for my router. Oh well, no big one, I'll go fine me a nice proxy. |
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| 06:26.40 | bob2 | hdparm is not a useful benchmarking tool |
| 06:26.43 | Guerin | wilbertoki: that sounds about right for that era |
| 06:27.03 | maher | BrianAnthony: join #flood |
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| 06:27.06 | BrianAnthony | peterS: yeah |
| 06:27.08 | bob2 | rixth: er? virtual hosts require a) dns setup correctly and b) the web server runnin on the IP you point it at to know about it |
| 06:27.09 | wilbertoki | guerin: I have a seagate 10k 73 gb scsi disc sitting doing nothing, I wish I could hook it up here |
| 06:27.28 | Guerin | wilbertoki: heh |
| 06:27.32 | peterS | BrianAnthony: that's a problem, then. snd-intel8x0.ko should exist there but doesn't. you need to figure out why not. we can't. |
| 06:27.35 | rixth | bob2, it works fine via a proxy though. |
| 06:27.44 | bob2 | rixth: I don't know what that means |
| 06:27.51 | rixth | bob2, I'll sort it out :) |
| 06:27.55 | bob2 | ok |
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| 06:28.14 | CharlesBrown | Someone going to update blackbox in sarge repositories? |
| 06:28.23 | Guerin | CharlesBrown: you can |
| 06:28.27 | CharlesBrown | How? |
| 06:28.31 | CharlesBrown | And firefox 1.0.2? |
| 06:28.33 | bob2 | um |
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| 06:28.35 | CharlesBrown | And xchat 2.4.2? |
| 06:28.39 | bob2 | CharlesBrown: no |
| 06:28.41 | wilbertoki | what benchmarking tools are good for linux? |
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| 06:28.51 | bob2 | sarge isn't for people have their penises glued to the CVS repositories |
| 06:28.53 | zignig | wilbertoki: povray |
| 06:28.55 | Guerin | CharlesBrown: not for debian, for yourself |
| 06:29.04 | CharlesBrown | bob2, They're stable |
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| 06:29.07 | CharlesBrown | Not cvs |
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| 06:29.13 | bob2 | CharlesBrown: and unimportant |
| 06:29.15 | otavio | Would someone please help me to solve a problem in Apache2 and LDAP auth? |
| 06:29.21 | CharlesBrown | I know how to do it myself |
| 06:29.22 | bob2 | CharlesBrown: and sarge does not get new random stuff quickly |
| 06:29.45 | CharlesBrown | bob2, If I package the deb, and file dependencies list.. |
| 06:29.49 | CharlesBrown | Will someone use it? |
| 06:29.49 | peterS | CharlesBrown: grep-excuses mozilla-firefox |
| 06:29.58 | CharlesBrown | huh? |
| 06:29.58 | ejka | otavio: well someone probably can if you tell the problem |
| 06:30.08 | peterS | CharlesBrown: that's a command to run. you have to have 'devscripts' installed |
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| 06:30.08 | maher | BrianAnthony: can you find a deb of the kernel? |
| 06:30.17 | peterS | CharlesBrown: but it answers your question about firefox 1.0.2 not being in sarge |
| 06:30.45 | directhex | wilbertoki, unreal tournament 2004 |
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| 06:31.13 | peterS | CharlesBrown: as for xchat and blackbox, those are the same version in unstable and in sarge, so you'd have to do some research about why the newer versions aren't uploaded |
| 06:31.16 | otavio | ejka: this doesn't auth right. I want to setup it to auth all users having one group only |
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| 06:31.40 | BrianAnthony | maher: yeah |
| 06:31.45 | wilbertoki | what about a tool made just for benchmarking? |
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| 06:31.51 | CharlesBrown | peterS, Where should I start? |
| 06:31.59 | maher | BrianAnthony: try dpkg --install --reinstall kerneldeb |
| 06:32.07 | CharlesBrown | Is there a debian dev channel |
| 06:32.08 | directhex | wilbertoki, lmbench, for what it's worth |
| 06:32.09 | Guerin | wilbertoki: depends what you want to benchmark |
| 06:32.13 | CharlesBrown | Or who handles the repository updates |
| 06:32.15 | Guerin | CharlesBrown: there are mailing lists. |
| 06:32.19 | CharlesBrown | Can anyone submit an update? |
| 06:32.24 | CharlesBrown | With source of course. |
| 06:32.29 | peterS | CharlesBrown: http://bugs.debian.org/src:xchat for example. there may be a 'wishlist' bug filed already about 2.4.2. if so, if there are good reasons why it hasn't been done, they'll likely be described there |
| 06:32.32 | otavio | ejka: I included: AuthLDAPURL ldap://localhost/cn=foo?memberUid |
| 06:32.34 | wilbertoki | desktop performance, to say compare speeds after I recompile kernel, disable services etc to measure progress |
| 06:32.38 | otavio | ejka: but didn't work |
| 06:32.43 | BrianAnthony | maher: no --reinstall |
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| 06:32.51 | Guerin | CharlesBrown: read debian policy, read debian-devel and debian-release |
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| 06:33.25 | peterS | BrianAnthony: just dpkg --install it. reinstalling is implied |
| 06:33.26 | otavio | BrianAnthony: is only --install or -i if you prefer. |
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| 06:33.35 | Guerin | wilbertoki: how exactly does one measure 'desktop performance'? |
| 06:33.45 | maher | BrianAnthony: apt-get install --reinstall kerneldeb |
| 06:33.47 | directhex | Guerin, how fast videos play. |
| 06:33.51 | wilbertoki | guerin: good question |
| 06:33.52 | peterS | BrianAnthony: maher confused dpkg with apt-get there. apt-get would require a --reinstall flag |
| 06:33.54 | Guerin | directhex: you mean porn |
| 06:34.02 | Guerin | directhex: don't try to dress it up all nice |
| 06:34.21 | maher | BrianAnthony: peterS: yeah - sorry - what peterS said |
| 06:35.14 | Guerin | wilbertoki: is there anything specific you're actually looking at doing on this machine, or is it just a plain ole desktop? I mean, is there anything concrete to measure here, or just wishy-washy user impression? |
| 06:35.47 | Guerin | because I can tell you how to speed up your desktop good and damn fast, but the user experience might leave a little to be desired... |
| 06:36.11 | wilbertoki | guerin: I guess it is a bit too subjective, but the objective is to inrease efficiency and stop wasting time |
| 06:36.22 | maher | wilbertoki: why are you on irc then? :) |
| 06:36.26 | Guerin | wilbertoki: disconnect your machine from the internet |
| 06:36.28 | Guerin | heh |
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| 06:36.40 | wilbertoki | lol |
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| 06:37.14 | Guerin | wilbertoki: or install an electrode system which gives yoou a shock whenever your irc window is focussed for more than 10 seconds |
| 06:37.29 | wilbertoki | and install porn filter on my ipcop router |
| 06:37.34 | Guerin | s/irc window/porn browser/ as appropriate |
| 06:37.58 | wilbertoki | im sure you could rig something like that up with the serial port |
| 06:38.06 | caphuso | get rid of porn? i thought the objective was to stop wasting time, not to make life a misery |
| 06:38.20 | Guerin | with usb you could even have it powered by your computer :) |
| 06:38.37 | directhex | only 5v on usb tho |
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| 06:38.52 | Guerin | yeah, not even a tickle |
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| 06:39.01 | wilbertoki | would there be enough juice though?:) my usb hard drive needs to be plugged into the wall |
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| 06:39.08 | tga | get a big capacitor |
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| 06:39.13 | jcoiron | hello |
| 06:39.16 | bone_idol | hello |
| 06:39.28 | Guerin | tga: that would presume the capacitor has time to store a charge between hits :) |
| 06:39.53 | wilbertoki | we could design the circuit and print it out on a laser printer |
| 06:39.58 | BrianAnthony | maher: , peterS: could I just completely re-install the kernel? |
| 06:40.00 | Guerin | quick, patent it! |
| 06:40.06 | peterS | BrianAnthony: that's what dpkg -i will do |
| 06:40.10 | wilbertoki | open source behavior control device |
| 06:40.14 | tga | you could print out the pr0n on a laser printer |
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| 06:40.32 | bone_idol | I'm setting up a dual opteron box, and am looking for some help on getting the correct apt sources.list |
| 06:40.58 | bone_idol | well thank you ! |
| 06:41.00 | Guerin | bone_idol: #debian-amd64, presuming you're actually doing 64-bit |
| 06:41.05 | bone_idol | yes |
| 06:41.14 | bone_idol | I was thinking following sarge |
| 06:41.20 | maher | BrianAnthony: yes: dpkg -i kerneldeb |
| 06:41.25 | bone_idol | Guerin: thanks |
| 06:42.02 | Guerin | bone_idol: 'twere nowt |
| 06:42.43 | directhex | bone_idol, if you want a full 64bit system, you can't just change sources.list, yuou need a fresh amd64 install |
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| 06:43.11 | directhex | bone_idol, if you want a 32bit system which can do 64bit apps, then you want sarge, an amd64 kernel, and (i think) the amd64-libs package |
| 06:43.12 | BrianAnthony | maher: what would be the package name? kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 doens't work |
| 06:43.21 | bone_idol | its a new install |
| 06:43.23 | directhex | C17H21NO4, debtakeover |
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| 06:43.52 | Borg^Queen | Hello |
| 06:43.53 | maher | BrianAnthony: do you have the kernel deb? just use that name |
| 06:44.00 | C17H21NO4 | directhex: Don't tell me that is a package that takes all the work out of it. |
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| 06:44.29 | Borg^Queen | I need x - includes to compile some apps. What package contains that? |
| 06:44.39 | Borg^Queen | I'm guessing it's a devel package |
| 06:44.43 | bone_idol | directhex: I found the amd-64 how to ..but it mentions gcc-3.4 in the sources list too is that necessary |
| 06:44.47 | bone_idol | ? |
| 06:45.00 | directhex | bone_idol, the sources in the howto are out of date |
| 06:45.01 | wilbertoki | I found this tip to make oo load faster -- http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-9925.html |
| 06:45.04 | ejka | Borg^Queen: xlibs-dev |
| 06:45.09 | Borg^Queen | Thanks |
| 06:45.18 | bone_idol | ahh where is the newest intformation ? |
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| 06:45.56 | Borg^Queen | Where would I look for deb packages in general? |
| 06:46.31 | bone_idol | directhex: can you point me to a newer documentation ? |
| 06:46.53 | directhex | bone_idol, these days it should be in a debian-amd64/debian-pure64 folder. i use "deb http://debian.inode.at/debian-amd64/debian-pure64/ sarge main contrib non-free" |
| 06:47.05 | Guerin | !tell Borg^Queen about pdo |
| 06:47.22 | Borg^Queen | Guerin: thank you |
| 06:47.40 | Guerin | Borg^Queen: no wucking furries maite |
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| 06:47.50 | directhex | erk! furries! |
| 06:47.51 | Borg^Queen | What lol? |
| 06:47.54 | Borg^Queen | Oooh ok |
| 06:47.58 | C17H21NO4 | directhex: Where were you two days ago?!?! This has been a painful learning experience. Many emails to the hosting company to reboot the server. I almost have it now though. |
| 06:48.08 | Borg^Queen | Flurries? It's snowing again? |
| 06:48.14 | Guerin | directhex: at least they're not wucking |
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| 06:48.37 | directhex | C17H21NO4, if memory serves, i was in bed with my girlfriend. or playing .hack//MUTATION on her ps2. one or t'other |
| 06:48.46 | dabreegster | FINALLY! I thought that 34 meg kernel source package would never finish downloading! |
| 06:48.58 | Borg^Queen | Still no word on Sarge's release into stable? |
| 06:49.03 | directhex | C17H21NO4, http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/README |
| 06:49.04 | Guerin | topic |
| 06:49.12 | dabreegster | all for the boot splash thing |
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| 06:49.17 | directhex | ooh! rc3! teh sex! |
| 06:49.33 | Guerin | dabreegster: you poor sad bastard |
| 06:49.52 | directhex | i used bootsplash on my htpc |
| 06:50.01 | directhex | also had about a meg of patches to apply though, to be fair |
| 06:50.04 | dabreegster | Guerin: I'm desperate for a background image on the console. |
| 06:50.19 | Guerin | dabreegster: see my above statement |
| 06:50.22 | C17H21NO4 | directhex: Yeah, been there. I didn't know about it before I decided to do this. I like the hands on approach though, just wish I had someone who had done it before to hold my hand. ;) |
| 06:50.34 | dabreegster | Sure hope bootsplash can have an image permanently on the console, not just at boot time. |
| 06:50.39 | dabreegster | Guerin: I know. I'm insane. |
| 06:50.53 | directhex | dabreegster, it can, assuming you pick a theme that works |
| 06:51.13 | directhex | dabreegster, everything is made much easier by the bootsplash.de debian sources |
| 06:51.14 | Coke | dabreegster: haven't you seen the messed up mandrake consoles? |
| 06:51.28 | dabreegster | Coke: nope |
| 06:51.42 | dabreegster | directhex: there's something prebuilt? I'll check that link |
| 06:52.15 | wilbertoki | thanks guys, Im out |
| 06:52.16 | wilbertoki | ! |
| 06:52.28 | dabreegster | Creating the perfect console environment isn't easy. |
| 06:52.30 | Coke | dabreegster: they have them all framed in and fancy, some framebuffer crap |
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| 06:52.45 | cafuego | dabreegster: apt-get install rc; $EDITOR ~/.rcrc |
| 06:52.57 | dabreegster | Coke: if fb will work for me, I'll be fine |
| 06:53.02 | dabreegster | cafuego: alright |
| 06:53.04 | cafuego | !tell Guerin -about !!! |
| 06:53.04 | Coke | dabreegster: the perfect console environment does not involve splash images, though. :) i am very pleased with my console environment, and aside from PSI I run only text-based tools. |
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| 06:53.30 | dabreegster | Coke: I know, I'd just like to try a bit of eye candy |
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| 06:54.01 | dabreegster | Coke: What I really should be doing is trying to get Console Tools to let me map a hotkey to a command without interrupting the screen. |
| 06:54.18 | Coke | dabreegster: console eye candy requires framebuffer support unless you think 16 color images in crappy resolution is sweet |
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| 06:54.44 | directhex | Coke, so what? everything the right side of an s3 trio v64+ can do framebuffer |
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| 06:54.58 | dabreegster | Coke: nice ANSI art has always looked pleasant to me |
| 06:55.04 | cafuego | directhex: Just coz it can doesn't mean it should. |
| 06:55.28 | Coke | directhex: it sounded as if dabreegster wasn't sure whether or not it would work, but I am pretty confident that it will. |
| 06:55.38 | Coke | dabreegster: indeed! |
| 06:55.49 | directhex | cafuego, do you have plain white walls in your house? |
| 06:56.03 | cafuego | directhex: Yep. |
| 06:56.16 | directhex | no decor whatsoever? |
| 06:56.23 | zignig | cafuego: except for the cat splification stains..... |
| 06:56.29 | cafuego | directhex: There's shit on the floor, if that's what you mean... |
| 06:56.45 | dabreegster | Coke: This is looking to be needlessly complex. I'll stick with my little 'pressing a hotkey tells my music daemon to play the next song' project. |
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| 06:56.59 | dabreegster | What do I do with the kernel sources now? Those 3 hours won't be wasted... |
| 06:57.08 | Coke | cafuego: oh, we must use the same house decorator company, I too have nothing on my walls and a lot of crap on the floor/desk/sofa. |
| 06:57.16 | cafuego | directhex: I appreciate what you're trying to tell me, but just because I *can* put up a poster of a woman fingering herself doesn't mean I *should*. |
| 06:57.21 | directhex | dabreegster, extract them, apply the bootsplash patch, sysv patch, enable 4 kernel options, recompile |
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| 06:57.57 | cafuego | (for example) |
| 06:57.59 | directhex | cafuego, YOU brought fingers into this |
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| 06:58.03 | dabreegster | I guess |
| 06:58.12 | cafuego | directhex: fingering, not fingers |
| 06:58.27 | Coke | cafuego: doesn't fingering require fingers? |
| 06:58.28 | Guerin | directhex: fingers into WHAT? |
| 06:58.41 | Coke | A jar of peanut butter |
| 06:58.41 | hairy_potter | Guerin: into your keyboard for example |
| 06:58.52 | directhex | Guerin, sounds like minor detail to me |
| 06:58.55 | cafuego | Coke: Doesn't require one's OWN fingers, no. |
| 06:59.00 | Borg^Queen | Are all you guys teenagers? |
| 06:59.02 | Guerin | peanut butter and keyboards don't combine well |
| 06:59.05 | Guerin | this I know |
| 06:59.07 | C17H21NO4 | cafuego: You take it for granted. If my wife would allow that poster, you bet your ass it would be up. ;) |
| 06:59.07 | Coke | cafuego: no, we're just talking fingers in general. |
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| 06:59.11 | hairy_potter | Borg^Queen: thanks for the info |
| 06:59.21 | Borg^Queen | What info? |
| 06:59.21 | Coke | C17H21NO4: :) |
| 06:59.25 | cafuego | Coke: i wasn't. |
| 06:59.29 | hairy_potter | Borg^Queen: so child porn talkers can go away from this channel now :) |
| 06:59.31 | Guerin | Borg^Queen: hah |
| 06:59.36 | cafuego | Coke: And since I brought it up, what i say goes ;-) |
| 06:59.43 | Borg^Queen | I hope so. |
| 06:59.47 | MeeP_MeeP | where can i dl ProMepis? |
| 06:59.49 | Coke | Borg^Queen: no, we are just retarded. |
| 06:59.54 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 06:59.55 | Guerin | naw, we just act it, most of the time |
| 06:59.55 | Borg^Queen | ok |
| 07:00.02 | Borg^Queen | I see. |
| 07:00.22 | Guerin | MeeP_MeeP: the internet is a good place to download things |
| 07:00.40 | MeeP_MeeP | duh no shit sherlock |
| 07:00.41 | MeeP_MeeP | lol |
| 07:00.53 | Guerin | MeeP_MeeP: well, a stupid question yields a stupid answer |
| 07:00.56 | Coke | Borg^Queen: what is that again? oh, yes! Resistence is futile, you will be humiliated! |
| 07:01.10 | Guerin | MeeP_MeeP: since this channel has exactly 0 to do with mepis, I'm not sure why you bothered to ask |
| 07:01.19 | cafuego | C17H21NO4: Easy hack |
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| 07:01.25 | dabreegster | C17H21NO4: there's a program for measuring the i/o rates of a pipe I think |
| 07:01.44 | MeeP_MeeP | actually i was talking to a friend |
| 07:01.56 | Coke | MeeP_MeeP: and how are we suposed to know that? |
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| 07:02.10 | MeeP_MeeP | but since we are all penguin users i just thout i would ask |
| 07:02.13 | MeeP_MeeP | nothing more |
| 07:02.15 | Borg^Queen | We are the Borg, you will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Your species will adapt to serve us. You will comply ...... Resistance is futile. |
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| 07:02.25 | Guerin | Coke: one of the adornments on your wall is a magic mirror, innit. Come on, own up... |
| 07:02.46 | markybob | huh. i didnt know oo.org only distributed in oo.org2 in rpm and source. you'd figure they'd have a general tar binary |
| 07:02.50 | kawaiikune | does anyone know how to typeset something from matlab into lyx? |
| 07:02.53 | Coke | Borg^Queen: ok, I'm there already. Whaddya want me to do? I can suck a cable. |
| 07:03.03 | Guerin | MeeP_MeeP: oo.o only ever distribute in rpm and source |
| 07:03.06 | Guerin | eh |
| 07:03.08 | Guerin | markybob: ^^^ |
| 07:03.13 | markybob | i never knew |
| 07:03.17 | Borg^Queen | Coke: You will need to fill out an application however |
| 07:03.22 | Coke | Guerin: no, but I have the magic wardrobe that leads to Narnia. |
| 07:03.26 | markybob | just got tired of not having oo.org2 packages so i figured i'd get the tar |
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| 07:03.40 | Guerin | markybob: the rpms respond moderately well to alien, if you can't wait for the debian packages |
| 07:03.42 | visual_ | ho ho ho |
| 07:03.49 | Guerin | Coke: that trumps a stupid mirror |
| 07:04.00 | visual_ | Guerin: rpms work on sarge? |
| 07:04.03 | markybob | Guerin, i dont trust any rpms |
| 07:04.08 | markybob | visual_, sure. alien -i foo.rpm |
| 07:04.13 | visual_ | oww |
| 07:04.14 | Guerin | building oo.o on the other hand is something best not attempted without a gun to your head |
| 07:04.23 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 07:04.23 | visual_ | rpm's are redhat stuff right? |
| 07:04.25 | visual_ | and fedora? |
| 07:04.28 | markybob | Guerin, i'm actually downloading the source right now |
| 07:04.29 | Borg^Queen | Yes |
| 07:04.38 | Guerin | visual_: and suse, mandy and god knows how many other heathen distros |
| 07:04.43 | visual_ | well i hate em both ... |
| 07:04.44 | markybob | visual_, you'll end up screwing yourself if you do that |
| 07:04.46 | Guerin | markybob: have you ever built it before |
| 07:04.47 | Guerin | ? |
| 07:05.03 | fooz | building modern software isn't hard |
| 07:05.05 | fooz | you kids have it easy |
| 07:05.06 | directhex | markybob, hope your JDK is up to date |
| 07:05.06 | visual_ | i hate all distro using rpm then...since redhat mandrake suse fedora gotta be must ugly and crappy distros ever |
| 07:05.07 | kawaiikune | if anyone has used matlab before and done typesetting, i would appreciate some help |
| 07:05.21 | markybob | Guerin, not openoffice.org. i'm no stranger to beasts, though. i built mozilla way back in the day (m15?) on a 300MHz |
| 07:05.22 | visual_ | they trying to reach to the top just like windows, consuming all your memory and hdd space |
| 07:05.31 | Guerin | markybob: heh. |
| 07:05.38 | Guerin | markybob: it's a real humdinger. |
| 07:05.49 | visual_ | markybob: whats up with 300mhz, im running 300mhz 64 ram atm easily, on xfree86+xfce4.2 |
| 07:06.03 | Guerin | visual_: did you build crusty old mozilla source? |
| 07:06.04 | markybob | Guerin, i'm on an amd64 4000+ now. shouldnt be *that* horrible :) |
| 07:06.05 | visual_ | markybob: everything works like a gunshot |
| 07:06.08 | Guerin | markybob: it |
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| 07:06.15 | Guerin | 's not the speed, it's the complications |
| 07:06.17 | Guerin | so I'm told |
| 07:06.25 | markybob | Guerin, i'll let you know. |
| 07:06.39 | Guerin | markybob: yeah, I'm interested to hear. |
| 07:06.46 | visual_ | Guerin: no but it took me kinda much time compiling tintin source, so i belive that it would be awful |
| 07:07.01 | visual_ | Guerin: but still, nothing beats good old crapcomp! |
| 07:07.04 | Guerin | visual_: my p2-233 laptop whups you in the 'i got the weakest computer' stakes |
| 07:07.11 | Borg^Queen | Well gentlman, and others. It's been.. interesting... |
| 07:07.16 | Guerin | and don't make me bring lazarus back |
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| 07:07.22 | Borg^Queen | Good night or day as the case may be |
| 07:07.33 | visual_ | Guerin: nono, i got 286, with 12" monitor aswell |
| 07:07.36 | Guerin | Borg^Queen: terribly. |
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| 07:07.45 | visual_ | Guerin: running linux on there aswell...using it only for terminal tho |
| 07:07.48 | fooz | people still use tintin? |
| 07:07.49 | Borg^Queen | Terribly? |
| 07:07.57 | Guerin | Borg^Queen: Rather. |
| 07:08.00 | rvirani | bob2: hey Im getting sarge for my ibook, I only need CD1, the rest can be done off the net right? |
| 07:08.01 | Borg^Queen | Ah, nm |
| 07:08.05 | visual_ | fooz: sure what should i use? I would use JMC on wine but i cant get fonts to work |
| 07:08.08 | Coke | Borg^Queen: what's the name of those green thingies you guys sleep in? |
| 07:08.09 | bob2 | rvirani: sure |
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| 07:08.14 | fooz | visual_, tinyfugue? |
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| 07:08.22 | visual_ | fooz: tintin is like the best, not those 1.9.x versions, but 1.86b owns bigtime |
| 07:08.25 | Borg^Queen | Regeneration Alcoves |
| 07:08.35 | rvirani | I could not however find links from debian.org to a sid release |
| 07:08.37 | visual_ | fooz: and why should i use these weird nonspellable apps when good old tintin has all i need:P |
| 07:08.45 | Guerin | rvirani: sid doesn't release |
| 07:08.53 | Coke | Borg^Queen: yes. |
| 07:08.56 | visual_ | fooz: using it for 8 years now and never been happier...well when i lost my virginity then i was happier but still |
| 07:08.59 | fooz | you can't pronounce fugue? |
| 07:09.00 | Guerin | rvirani: it escapes, leaving a swathe of destruction in its wake |
| 07:09.03 | fooz | not my problem |
| 07:09.13 | visual_ | fooz: it sounds like fudge |
| 07:09.17 | rvirani | Guerin: so I gotta install stable for example then upgrade to sid? |
| 07:09.30 | Guerin | rvirani: if you have to ask, install sarge and don't upgrade. |
| 07:09.32 | visual_ | rvirani: hehe who wants woody or sid when theres sarge? |
| 07:09.52 | visual_ | rvirani: its just a matter of time when sarge goes to stable and it alrdy owns woody and sid bigtime |
| 07:09.53 | rvirani | visual_: I want the latest XFCE |
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| 07:10.03 | visual_ | rvirani: yeah im on sarge and i got it |
| 07:10.07 | fooz | visual_, do you just use diku muds? |
| 07:10.09 | Guerin | rvirani: use the installer from os-works.de |
| 07:10.10 | visual_ | rvirani: i tell you how to get it? |
| 07:10.14 | visual_ | fooz: yep |
| 07:10.24 | rvirani | Guerin: alright cool |
| 07:10.24 | fooz | figures.. horrible, obsolete mud client for a horrible, obsolete mud :) |
| 07:10.26 | rvirani | thanx and later |
| 07:10.41 | visual_ | rvirani: on sarge go: /etc/apt/sources.list and add following lines |
| 07:10.46 | visual_ | blablabla |
| 07:10.56 | visual_ | im talking to myself and noone |
| 07:11.41 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | heh |
| 07:11.47 | visual_ | fooz: dikus are the best? why should anyone play lpmud or java based crap like runescape:P? |
| 07:12.31 | fooz | visual_, silly rabbit.. recompiling and restarting the MUD to change something is for kids :) |
| 07:12.38 | visual^q2ing | afk and stuff, fragging like a tux from hell |
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| 07:13.20 | visual^q2ing | fooz: i built mud from scratch, took me 2 years to get more advanced mud than any diku distro, and had 0 errors/0 warnings |
| 07:13.37 | visual^q2ing | now lemme go play some tuxgame! |
| 07:14.19 | fooz | yes but i could make a more advanced MUD than any diku distro in 2 days with MOO or LPMUD or Cold.. that's all I'm saying |
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| 07:16.05 | trogger | How do you set normal Ctrl+a = home Ctrl+e=end behaviour in gnome? I have just reinstalled debian and these keys no longer work in thunderbird / firefox. |
| 07:16.35 | tga | ctrl+a normally is 'select all'? |
| 07:16.47 | Guerin | trogger: should be a window manager toggle |
| 07:16.47 | trogger | tga not in linux I hope |
| 07:16.59 | trogger | Guerin: have had a look around - can't find anything. |
| 07:17.08 | C17H21NO4 | bitlbee doesn't show offline users. If they aren't on, they "disappear". Yet it says "0 offline", so I'm thinking it should show offline users. Is there a way to change this behavior? |
| 07:17.17 | Guerin | trogger: i know xfwm4 has a 'emacs style' keybinding setting |
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| 07:17.27 | tga | blecch, rotten emacs |
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| 07:17.41 | Guerin | C17H21NO4: I haven't figured out a way how. |
| 07:17.41 | chealer | do these shortcuts come from emacs? |
| 07:17.47 | trogger | chealer: yep |
| 07:17.56 | Guerin | chealer: i'm not sure, but they are used in emacs as well as in bash, etc. |
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| 07:18.10 | tga | 1G is home, G is end.. :) |
| 07:18.13 | chealer | trogger: check the firefox help then, it's covered. "generally" I think ctrl+a is select all indeed |
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| 07:18.37 | trogger | chealer, Guerin thanks - that might be enough to go on. |
| 07:18.58 | fooz | bash took em from emacs afaik |
| 07:19.07 | Guerin | that makes chronological sense |
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| 07:19.16 | trogger | In fact, the solution is to use gconf-editor to set /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme to Emacs, I believe. |
| 07:19.23 | dabreegster | My first kernel compile (assisted with kernel-package)! Wish me luck. |
| 07:19.26 | jm_ | yeah you change it via gconf |
| 07:19.31 | trogger | !luck dabreegster |
| 07:19.34 | chealer | hum...there are way too much keyboard shortcuts in bash for me :) |
| 07:19.38 | Guerin | !bless dabreegster |
| 07:19.39 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child dabreegster, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 07:19.49 | simonrvn | cafuego: for matrox framebuffer, it's 'append="video:matroxfb"' ? |
| 07:19.50 | trogger | Guerin: better :) |
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| 07:20.02 | tga | I want something like `foo & ; bar &` in bash, but I get an error for the ";".. any idea how I should be escaping the "&"? |
| 07:20.10 | Guerin | hrm, I need to set that in my firefox too |
| 07:20.11 | chealer | !bless dpkg |
| 07:20.12 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child dpkg, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 07:20.13 | fooz | tga, remove the ; |
| 07:20.31 | caphuso | tga: you don't need two delimiters between commands, one is enough |
| 07:20.35 | Guerin | but I don't have gconf installed, so... |
| 07:20.42 | tga | thanks fooz, caphuso |
| 07:20.52 | fooz | bleh.. i'm not installing an app just to make gtk2 stop trying to emulate windows |
| 07:20.55 | caphuso | Guerin: gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" |
| 07:20.59 | caphuso | Guerin: in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 07:21.09 | Guerin | caphuso: excellent, thanks :) |
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| 07:21.43 | fooz | caphuso, yay.thanks |
| 07:22.17 | fooz | i've started using xemacs again in a big way.. i love it |
| 07:22.26 | SiliconViper | ... is there software for converting a 8GB dvd into 4.5GB? |
| 07:22.43 | SiliconViper | Well, I assume there is... but have no clue what to look for. |
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| 07:23.13 | fooz | SiliconViper, no |
| 07:23.16 | caphuso | SiliconViper: bzip2? |
| 07:23.30 | C17H21NO4 | caphuso: :) |
| 07:23.33 | SiliconViper | caphuso, <3 |
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| 07:23.42 | SiliconViper | That's just awesome.... |
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| 07:23.49 | Guerin | fooz: it's best with server/client on multi-tty |
| 07:23.56 | Guerin | it's dee-licious |
| 07:24.10 | fooz | Guerin, yep. it's the first thing I start in screen (on console) |
| 07:24.18 | fooz | Guerin, then I run a bunch of gnuclient windows (in X) |
| 07:24.29 | Guerin | i do the whole lot in console |
| 07:24.41 | Guerin | but the cool thing is I needn't if I don't feel like it |
| 07:25.08 | fooz | I had to take a long time to get all my emacs faces to look the same between console and X |
| 07:25.11 | fooz | that was a royal pain |
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| 07:27.10 | tvn | what can I use to resume a running program after I log out and relogin ? screen ? |
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| 07:27.18 | Guerin | tvn: yes |
| 07:27.18 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
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| 07:27.47 | Guerin | SlayerXP: when are you going to change your nick to Slayer2003? |
| 07:27.56 | SlayerXP | Guerin: 2008 |
| 07:28.03 | Guerin | that makes sense |
| 07:28.08 | SlayerXP | *nods* |
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| 07:29.55 | Guerin | fooz: I actually had more trouble with the xemacs default faces being in 16-bit colour, while urxvt only does 16 colours.... I had to go and convert them manually |
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| 07:30.55 | sh0rt | I have my wireless modules blacklisted in discover.conf and in hotplug but they still load. Any ideas, what is loading them |
| 07:31.26 | SlayerXP | sh0rt: the kernel autoloader, perhaps? |
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| 07:31.48 | sh0rt | SlayerXP: can I blacklist them from it? |
| 07:32.18 | SlayerXP | sh0rt: not really. recompile your kernel without autoloader support, or google for some /proc voodoo to turn it off. |
| 07:33.09 | caphuso | you can by editing /etc/modules.conf|/etc/modprobe* |
| 07:33.39 | fooz | Guerin, hmm, i never saw that.. mine were just 'red' 'brightred' etc |
| 07:33.56 | SlayerXP | i've never needed to work that out: servers have static kernels, desktops have virtually everything as a module |
| 07:34.11 | cef | anyone here use evolution? have you set up imaps at all? |
| 07:34.13 | Guerin | fooz: hrm, funky |
| 07:34.14 | fooz | Guerin, or more usually, the TTY versions were just not defined at all. I defined them alike to the X versions |
| 07:34.19 | SlayerXP | cef: yes anf yes. |
| 07:34.20 | fooz | so i have a big .emacs |
| 07:34.26 | Guerin | cef: I used to, but no longer |
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| 07:34.37 | Guerin | cef: but it was trivial to do |
| 07:34.40 | C17H21NO4 | What happens if I try to dd say 9 gig partition to a 8 gig partition? Will it error, or will it just hang, or will it work? |
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| 07:34.43 | markybob | Guerin, curious...what do you use now, then? |
| 07:34.46 | Guerin | fooz: heh |
| 07:34.49 | Guerin | markybob: mutt |
| 07:34.55 | sh0rt | caphuso: caphuso, what about the DO NOT mODIFY THIS FILE bti in modules.conf. Safe to ignore |
| 07:34.57 | fooz | anyway, now everything looks identical between X and tty :D so do my slime (superior lisp mode) faces |
| 07:35.00 | fooz | it's pretty |
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| 07:35.29 | caphuso | sh0rt: yes, of course, that's why it is written there |
| 07:35.35 | cef | SlayerXP: I constantly get "error initialising TLS". does it support TLS over standard imap, or imaps? |
| 07:35.59 | caphuso | sh0rt: now stop being stupid and read the whole thing |
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| 07:35.59 | Guerin | cef: it should support both |
| 07:36.03 | SlayerXP | cef: what Guerin said |
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| 07:36.39 | cef | just the pulldown just says "IMAP".. and there is no way to config what port it connects to that I can see |
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| 07:37.41 | sh0rt | caphuso: there not even in there anyway |
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| 07:38.17 | LuCkYaN | hi , anyone know how i can do with iptables , i wan to denied IP to join my web site , i put in firewall > -A INPUT -s 83.103.224.9 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DROP > and will not join , but i want for IP i denied to load web site , to show them a web page with message , you are banned etc. i make that page, but how i redirect ?? |
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| 07:40.47 | hettar | LuCkYaN: You can do that with apache but not with iptables. |
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| 07:41.00 | chealer | hum, what's the kernel autoloader? |
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| 07:41.19 | pandom | plz help me with exim4 smart host setting? |
| 07:41.19 | markybob | LuCkYaN, a little google would help. http://www.nylug.org/mlist/nylug-talk_mhonarc/2001-05/msg00211.html |
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| 07:41.43 | pandom | what to put into update-exim4.conf.conf in order to connect to another smtp? |
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| 07:42.03 | poonj | hey guys, I'm trying to add a printer that is connected through the parallel port. I'm using CUPS and lpadmin to add the printer. I was wondering, is the parallel port labeled under /dev/lp? |
| 07:42.06 | poonj | or is it something else? |
| 07:42.20 | caphuso | pandom: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, choose smarthost setting |
| 07:42.24 | jm_ | read parport.txt |
| 07:42.51 | pandom | caphuso, i did, and where to put user/pass ? |
| 07:42.55 | poonj | jm_, so its parport? |
| 07:43.05 | nix000 | anyone can help me figure a good place for server specifications ? i need somthing with raid dual power supply etc ... |
| 07:43.06 | markybob | heh |
| 07:43.11 | jm_ | poonj: no it's not |
| 07:43.42 | caphuso | pandom: /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
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| 07:43.52 | jm_ | poonj: CUPS docs also have an example |
| 07:43.59 | markybob | nix000, i just bought a kick ass server from penguincomputing.com ...great hardware and amazing service. |
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| 07:44.31 | markybob | nix000, although i guess that's to be expected from US$10k...but still. high recommend them |
| 07:44.43 | markybob | s/high/highly |
| 07:45.04 | pandom | caphuso, how to tell exim4 to use port other than 25 and enable tls? |
| 07:45.14 | cef | Guerin & SlayerXP: bah was a server side issue.. the imap server couldn't read the tls certificate/key *sigh* |
| 07:45.36 | markybob | how to go to exim's site and read some docs? |
| 07:45.37 | markybob | i dunno |
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| 07:45.58 | caphuso | pandom: go read the exim4 specs |
| 07:46.03 | caphuso | it's all in there |
| 07:46.37 | nix000 | markybob, that is steep ! |
| 07:47.11 | markybob | nix000, i know. they have lower prices, dont freak out :-) i needed a powerhouse, which is what i got. you probably dont need all of that |
| 07:47.44 | dabreegster | Crap. Went through most of the kernel compiling process to find out my bootsplash patch was for a slightly older kernel. |
| 07:47.55 | tga | you can always grab a Sun Opteron box while you're at it |
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| 07:48.30 | debian | Sun Opteron box?..... |
| 07:48.53 | markybob | the guestion then becomes 'why' |
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| 07:49.25 | debian | markybob: guite right |
| 07:49.31 | mlt | is there a way to play an avi file with mplayer or xine which seems to be "broken" at some position? |
| 07:49.48 | markybob | gotta hate it when porn gets chopped |
| 07:50.11 | sh0rt | caphuso: /quit |
| 07:50.13 | C17H21NO4 | mlt: You need transcode which comes with avifix |
| 07:50.18 | mlt | well, in the video they are playing with balls, yes |
| 07:50.19 | sh0rt | doh |
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| 07:51.04 | nix000 | markybob, where can i get 2 low end machine that will act as redundant and take over when the other fails ? |
| 07:51.08 | pandom | caphuso, the problem is exim4 specs doesn't help to update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 07:51.17 | debian | markybob: especially when it always get chopped at the best part |
| 07:51.29 | timo | mlt, mplayer -forceidx might help |
| 07:51.38 | caphuso | pandom: that's completely irrelevant because what you want to do has nothing to do with update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 07:51.55 | mlt | tim_h_: I didn't, unfortunately |
| 07:52.09 | cafuego | That's right. exim4 has nothing whatsoever to do with postfix. |
| 07:52.20 | mlt | C17H21NO4: can't find it with apt-cache... I'll try google |
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| 07:53.09 | pandom | caphuso, where should put the options in? in order to use tls and port other than 25? |
| 07:53.22 | caphuso | pandom: /etc/exim4/conf.d/something |
| 07:53.39 | markybob | nix000, i'm not sure how to do that. why not just get a single machine with redundancy builtin? |
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| 07:54.27 | pandom | caphuso, i don't enable split |
| 07:54.28 | markybob | nix000, raid 5 with hotswap standbys, standby power supply, etc |
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| 07:54.51 | C17H21NO4 | !tell mlt about marillat |
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| 07:55.06 | pandom | caphuso, should edit /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template ? |
| 07:55.24 | caphuso | pandom: no, you should start reading the docs |
| 07:55.24 | nix000 | markybob, redundancy will only cover the hdd tho ! |
| 07:55.41 | caphuso | pandom: all of them. both the debian specific and the upstream ones |
| 07:55.41 | markybob | nix000, and power supply. |
| 07:55.49 | markybob | nix000, those are the things that always go boom |
| 07:56.14 | nix000 | markybob, you mean external uninterrupte power suply ? |
| 07:56.18 | markybob | nix000, |
| 07:56.22 | markybob | nix000, no |
| 07:56.29 | markybob | nix000, but that's a good idea, too. |
| 07:56.35 | stew | nix000: you can buy 2 machines and run LVS / heartbeat |
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| 07:56.41 | nix000 | markybob, where you get the internal ones ? |
| 07:56.53 | markybob | nix000, you can get it at penguincomputing.com. look at all their options. |
| 07:57.35 | nix000 | stew, i was thinkin someone already made an off the shelf solution witht that |
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| 07:58.24 | notty | hello, i have a problem with the fglrx drivers on debian, i still get OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org when i give fglrxinfo how can i resolve that ? |
| 07:58.40 | pandom | caphuso, url? which chapter? |
| 07:59.05 | nix000 | markybob, i also need a way to share hdd between the 2 machines. so if one goes down the other piks it. |
| 07:59.24 | nix000 | markybob, as oppose to backing up of course |
| 07:59.58 | stew | nix000: expect to pay lots and lots of money |
| 08:00.25 | nix000 | stew, how about these guys www.coraid.com ? |
| 08:00.32 | stew | no idea |
| 08:01.08 | pandom | caphuso, i got error: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 08:01.22 | caphuso | pandom: what the fuck did you do? |
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| 08:02.19 | Coke | caphuso: if you choose "local delivery only" I think it will only allow email to the local domains. |
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| 08:02.37 | Coke | caphuso: if you're talking about the debian exim, that is. |
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| 08:02.57 | pandom | caphuso, nothing, just send mail |
| 08:02.59 | caphuso | Coke: yes, but... pandom claims he configured it to relay over a smart host |
| 08:03.05 | pandom | caphuso, plz be patient |
| 08:03.11 | markybob | rofl |
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| 08:03.33 | pandom | Coke, hm |
| 08:03.39 | caphuso | and he certainly he did that, because he spend almost 5 minutes reading the damn docs |
| 08:03.51 | Coke | caphuso: impossible. I've debconf'ed exim4 so many times and it always worked. |
| 08:03.57 | caphuso | Coke: yeah, i know |
| 08:04.03 | caphuso | but pandom seems to be "special" |
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| 08:04.30 | caphuso | he got a weird obsession with /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 08:05.10 | tga | what app can I use for grabbing a few loops from an mp3? |
| 08:05.22 | tga | in other words what's a nice audio editor for linux? |
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| 08:07.21 | Coke | pandom: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 08:07.38 | chealer | I am using the NVIDIA drivers. when I play a fullscreen opengl game and it crashes, the X resolution is often left to something other than the default. when I try to change the resolution back to the default using Ctrl Alt +/-, X usually crashes. I just got a supertux crash, and it also left my mouse unusable. any tips to avoid the X crashes, or is that due to nvidia drivers? |
| 08:07.48 | Coke | caphuso: I guess reconfiguring and actualy selecting smarthost is one way to solve the problem. |
| 08:08.13 | nevyn | chealer: is your system uniprocessor? |
| 08:08.31 | chealer | nevyn: unfortunately |
| 08:08.33 | tarzeau | chealer: which version of supertux exactly? |
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| 08:08.58 | tarzeau | chealer: i guess it's an nvidia driver issue, try with the "nv" drivers |
| 08:08.59 | pandom | Coke, i got SMTP error from remote mailer after initial connection: |
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| 08:09.04 | nevyn | I'm still maintaining the hate and not installing the nvidia binaries. |
| 08:09.18 | Coke | chealer: if X crashes and you are using XFree86 4 it's probably the drivers. |
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| 08:09.23 | chealer | hi tarzeau. 0.1.2-4 (latest). (this game is cool :) ) |
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| 08:09.31 | tarzeau | chealer: that version is fine. |
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| 08:09.43 | Coke | chealer: however, I'm using the latest nvidia drivers and my X does not crash. not much anyway. |
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| 08:09.51 | tarzeau | chealer: hey you haven't tried nethack or this, have you? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mog/ |
| 08:09.58 | Coke | pandom: and? have you reconfigured as a smarthost using debconf yet? |
| 08:10.06 | chealer | tarzeau: yeah...if I could get games to crash that way reliably, I would |
| 08:10.12 | pandom | Coke, yes, i do |
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| 08:10.39 | Coke | pandom: ok. so now all you have to do is find out why the remote machine rejects you. |
| 08:10.52 | chealer | Coke: nice to hear, it's not that stable for me. BTW do you have vesafb loaded? |
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| 08:11.32 | pandom | Coke, yeah, plz help |
| 08:11.36 | chealer | tarzeau: no...they're RPGs? |
| 08:11.46 | tarzeau | chealer: kinda |
| 08:11.50 | pandom | Coke, erro code is 550 |
| 08:12.06 | tarzeau | chealer: i'm really enjoying maze of galious (like i'm on world 4 of 10) |
| 08:12.20 | chealer | tarzeau: hum, neverball keeps me busy. I'm at mehdi level 22 though, so soon I'll try something else :) |
| 08:12.28 | Coke | pandom: why are you telling me? look it up on the internet what it means and then fix it |
| 08:12.32 | tarzeau | and open cubic player is so cool: http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/43461/46410/ |
| 08:12.40 | markybob | pandom, google it. |
| 08:12.41 | Coke | chealer: ofcourse not |
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| 08:12.52 | chealer | Coke: do you have a stock kernel? |
| 08:12.58 | Coke | chealer: no. |
| 08:13.20 | Coke | chealer: but adding things like framebuffer is sure to destabilize any kernel |
| 08:13.23 | tarzeau | chealer: tried pathogen? also funny |
| 08:13.51 | chealer | tarzeau: huh, not sure about those console games for now :) |
| 08:14.07 | tarzeau | chealer: nethack is the only textmode(if you mean console be that) game |
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| 08:15.09 | chealer | Coke: I didn't add them, vesafb comes with stock 2.6 (and comes bugged even). I asked len sorensen help to disable it but I didn't find how without compiling my kernel. |
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| 08:15.42 | Coke | chealer: I guess if it's compiled statically into the kernel it can't be disabled. |
| 08:15.52 | jm_ | video=vga16:off |
| 08:16.20 | Coke | oh, there you go. |
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| 08:16.51 | chealer | jm_: I didn't try that...so that should be different from video=vesa:off/video=vesafb:off ? |
| 08:17.27 | jm_ | chealer: all these parameters are nowhere documented, but I know I have often used that to disable FB |
| 08:17.31 | chealer | Coke: I don't know about kernel stuff, but I don't think it's compiled statically (I just mean it's a module) |
| 08:17.47 | chealer | Coke: i.e. I can rmmod it...but it still loads by default |
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| 08:18.07 | Coke | chealer: a module would be the opposite of static because it is dynamically loaded |
| 08:18.10 | chealer | jm_: ok...you're responsible if I lose my uptime for no reason though ;) |
| 08:18.20 | jm_ | chealer: haha |
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| 08:18.24 | chealer | Coke: yeah that's what I guessed |
| 08:18.35 | Coke | chealer: and what modules are loaded by default is controllable by you by editing /etc/modules |
| 08:18.36 | protoloco | MM i got problems installing windows, after Making the partitions with cfdisk or fdisk in Gentoo .. WHY ?? when i try to push the Buton "f8" to I Agree with the licencing agreement .. I cant keep going.. i have to type "ESC" to exit.. and it restart... WHY ??, my HD is new.. |
| 08:18.56 | caphuso | protoloco: you're seriously off-topic |
| 08:19.03 | chealer | Coke: what do you suggest exactly? vesafb isn't there |
| 08:19.03 | protoloco | caphuso, No man.. |
| 08:19.04 | protoloco | cuz |
| 08:19.08 | protoloco | i used cfdisk.. |
| 08:19.13 | markybob | in GENTOO |
| 08:19.13 | Coke | chealer: also, you can check the framebuffer source code, it should contain lines that parse the module parameters and then you could find out what parameters to really use. |
| 08:19.20 | caphuso | protoloco: you're seriously off topic. go away, or i'll do it |
| 08:19.23 | protoloco | then.. it messed up my windows.. Everything! |
| 08:19.32 | protoloco | I use debian and windows. |
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| 08:20.04 | protoloco | when i was making my partitions then intalled debian... After. i tried to install Win. |
| 08:20.05 | protoloco | i couldnt.. |
| 08:20.06 | markybob | but debian has nothing to do with your current problem |
| 08:20.09 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 08:20.10 | protoloco | it happens that. |
| 08:20.15 | *** mode/#debian [+q protoloco!*@*] by caphuso |
| 08:20.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 08:20.29 | Coke | protoloco: that's because you do not have any clue at all as to how partitions work and you shouldn't have messed with them to begin with. |
| 08:20.32 | markybob | damn. so close |
| 08:20.49 | Coke | oh, +q will work too |
| 08:20.54 | pandom | Coke, btw, how to enable tls, which chapter to look at? |
| 08:21.00 | chealer | Coke: yeah, not really an option with my skills though. I'll try jm_'s suggestion |
| 08:21.14 | Oranges | protoloco: simple rule, first win then *nix |
| 08:21.20 | Coke | pandom: I don't know the exim4 manual by heart, you know. why don't you do that magic thing called "search"? |
| 08:21.37 | Oranges | protoloco: win hates everything and everybody else |
| 08:21.42 | pandom | Coke, i can't find :\ |
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| 08:22.10 | bucky | protoloco, try changing the partition to a type that windows understands like fat16 or ntfs with cfdisk |
| 08:22.26 | bucky | just toggle the type |
| 08:22.55 | chealer | Coke: well thanks a lot, I'll brb |
| 08:22.57 | C17H21NO4 | Woohoo, converted from fedora->debian remotely in only 3 days! |
| 08:23.04 | markybob | pandom, have you tried google? on the very first google page i came up with says "how to get exim4 on debian woody to use smtp-auth" |
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| 08:23.07 | tarzeau | bucky: i'd rather use gpart |
| 08:23.18 | bucky | that's good too |
| 08:23.22 | tarzeau | C17H21NO4: congrats. your nickname sucks |
| 08:23.22 | markybob | pandom, dont come in here and expect us to do everything for you if you're not willing to do anything. |
| 08:23.28 | tarzeau | dpkg nickometer C17H21NO4 |
| 08:23.29 | dpkg | 'C17H21NO4' is 99.870% lame, tarzeau |
| 08:23.37 | caphuso | tarzeau: why would you use gpart in that situation? |
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| 08:24.04 | tarzeau | caphuso: because bucky suggested changing partition types |
| 08:24.12 | caphuso | tarzeau: yes |
| 08:24.12 | markybob | fuck. that got my blood pressure up |
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| 08:24.22 | tarzeau | i thought he already has data and wants to fix the partition type.. guess i was wrong |
| 08:24.41 | bucky | i'm not sure now |
| 08:24.51 | MikeH | can someone inform me where i can find the apt-http sources lines for debian amx64? |
| 08:24.51 | MikeH | *amd64 |
| 08:25.03 | markybob | Mikal, google debian amd64 faq |
| 08:25.03 | MikeH | i cant remember where i seen the amd64 site :| |
| 08:25.14 | markybob | i really dont understand why people dont google. |
| 08:25.17 | bucky | he made partitions then "when i try to push the Buton "f8" to I Agree with the licencing agreement .. I cant keep going" |
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| 08:25.25 | tarzeau | markybob: all browsers suck |
| 08:25.47 | bucky | maybe it's an ata controller issue or something |
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| 08:25.51 | MikeH | markybob: because its easier to just ask? :) Not sure, didnt think of it tbh |
| 08:26.15 | markybob | MikeH, think of it next time. sames everyone, including you, time. |
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| 08:27.38 | boukensya | hey guys.. I was just wondering what program was this icon set from? http://icculus.org/openbox/shots/full/Screenshot-atrus.png |
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| 08:27.51 | boukensya | like idesk etc.. |
| 08:27.54 | MikeH | thanks anyway markybob :) |
| 08:28.05 | Coke | jm_: are you sure that those module parameters will disable console fb? |
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| 08:28.44 | jm_ | Coke: it depends on the driver you use, it may not work for rivafb for example, but it worked with Woody installer kernel (haven't tried Sarge yet) |
| 08:28.54 | tarzeau | boukensya: looked a bit like: gnome-icon-theme-gartoon - Gartoon icon theme for GTK+ 2.x |
| 08:28.54 | atrus | boukensya: that's my screeshot! :) |
| 08:29.07 | chealer | jm_: video=vga16:off didn't work neither |
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| 08:29.26 | boukensya | atrus hehe |
| 08:29.34 | tarzeau | atrus: hehe |
| 08:29.34 | chealer | did I mean some interesintg discussion about framebuffers? |
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| 08:29.55 | boukensya | is there an desktop (not wm) that is nice and doesn't have 10 billion dependencies? |
| 08:29.58 | Coke | jm_: I'm looking at the 2.6 kernel docs, can't find any parameter that supports anything "off"-ish. :) |
| 08:30.03 | tarzeau | boukensya: gnustep |
| 08:30.08 | jm_ | chealer: this may be different if you use modules - I have very little experience with FB, because I don't like it and I am also not using it |
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| 08:30.20 | tarzeau | boukensya: small, fast and beautiful |
| 08:30.23 | atrus | (the #debian channel highlighted here because it had my name in the url) |
| 08:30.38 | boukensya | cool checking it out now.. thanks |
| 08:30.41 | jm_ | Coke: yes, all the kernel boot options need some serious attentions with regards to documenting them |
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| 08:31.21 | markybob | wish ibm would hire me to do that |
| 08:31.21 | markybob | ;) |
| 08:31.23 | Coke | jm_: well, FB is a bit in the dark probably because nobody in their right mind would use it. |
| 08:31.26 | atrus | boukensya: ah, it's the noia-warm icon set |
| 08:32.00 | boukensya | thanks (: |
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| 08:32.16 | C17H21NO4 | jm_: I think vga=normal turns it off, but I am not sure. |
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| 08:32.43 | Coke | C17H21NO4: yes, if you use the vesafb (or is it vgafb?) |
| 08:32.53 | Coke | C17H21NO4: other drivers seem to have other options. |
| 08:33.12 | boukensya | what about this file manager? http://icculus.org/openbox/shots/full/ob3rox.png |
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| 08:33.36 | tarzeau | boukensya: you've even looked at gnustep? it has a filemanager called gworkspace(.app) |
| 08:33.47 | chealer | C17H21NO4: that didn't work for me |
| 08:33.54 | boukensya | I am trying to find good stuff that doesn't rely on gnome/kde |
| 08:34.00 | chealer | Coke: I have a vesafb module |
| 08:34.05 | tarzeau | boukensya: gnustep doesn't need gnome nor kde |
| 08:34.07 | boukensya | tarzeau: trying to get it but apt source is down |
| 08:34.16 | tarzeau | boukensya: you are on stable or testing/sid? |
| 08:34.21 | boukensya | testing |
| 08:34.35 | tarzeau | that's fine, just apt-get install gnustep gnustep-games gnustep-devel wmaker |
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| 08:35.00 | caphuso | tarzeau: you know what's funny? installing kdebase uses as much diskspace as installing gnustep does |
| 08:35.06 | boukensya | yep.. about to, just changing source |
| 08:35.48 | jm_ | C17H21NO4: no, vga= is not for FB stuff |
| 08:35.56 | tarzeau | caphuso: in what way do you find this funny? i don't know how large kdebase is in source or how much it takes to compile |
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| 08:36.10 | bucky | tarzeau, that really hurts |
| 08:36.18 | tarzeau | caphuso: but gnustep (base,gui,back,make) is 10mb source, and takes like 10-20 minutes on my machiens to build |
| 08:36.24 | tarzeau | bucky: what hurts? |
| 08:36.34 | bucky | caphuso |
| 08:36.35 | caphuso | tarzeau: who cares about compilation time? |
| 08:36.42 | bucky | caphuso's comment |
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| 08:37.09 | tarzeau | can you also compare application binary sizes please? and not just base/core libraries? |
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| 08:37.22 | tarzeau | let's take kamera vs camera.app |
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| 08:37.37 | simonrvn | ok, this is going a little far... |
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| 08:38.13 | MikeH | hi |
| 08:38.19 | tarzeau | what's the basic editor of kde? kedit? |
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| 08:38.28 | MikeH | can someone remind me what the package is to install x and gnome etc. |
| 08:38.35 | MikeH | theres a group package isnt there? |
| 08:38.37 | markybob | apt-get install gnome x-window-system |
| 08:38.40 | tarzeau | MikeH: gnome-core and x-window-system-core |
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| 08:38.51 | MikeH | thanks |
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| 08:38.59 | markybob | MikeH, depends what you want. apt-cache show foo |
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| 08:39.04 | caphuso | tarzeau: neither of those two apps seem to have executables |
| 08:39.26 | aicra | 752... wow |
| 08:40.00 | tarzeau | caphuso: gnustep applications are in /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications/ |
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| 08:40.17 | tarzeau | caphuso: in so called "bundles" like on mac os x (whole app including data in a directory.app) |
| 08:40.20 | MikeH | gah, silly apt sources :( 2mbit connection and im getting 40K/s |
| 08:40.41 | caphuso | tarzeau: well, then Camera is 40KiB, and kamera 0 |
| 08:40.42 | tarzeau | this way apps can be installs by users, there are four domains: network, system, local and user |
| 08:40.42 | chealer | tarzeau: kedit is probably the most basic editor, yes |
| 08:40.45 | peterS | MikeH: feel free to hack a bittorrent backend into apt |
| 08:41.11 | Coke | MikeH: try not using the main mirrors. try using some obscure, local one |
| 08:41.29 | boukensya | thanks tarzeau (: this looks good |
| 08:41.31 | peterS | I wonder if anyone would use a BT apt method |
| 08:41.37 | tarzeau | boukensya: you're welcome |
| 08:41.38 | boukensya | gnustep that is |
| 08:41.42 | boukensya | (; |
| 08:41.43 | MikeH | Coke: there dont seem to be that many mirrors with the pure64 repositories on |
| 08:41.48 | MikeH | i did look for a few others |
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| 08:41.55 | boukensya | gotta go home now.. seeyas |
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| 08:42.37 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 08:42.47 | simonrvn | oh, netjoin? |
| 08:43.41 | caphuso | yeah |
| 08:43.41 | MikeH | peterS: and thats a damned good idea :P would be great if it allowed uploading when your idle, and users could turn uploading on/off |
| 08:43.41 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:43.42 | lwx | #irchelp |
| 08:43.42 | MikeH | peterS: but then packages would have to be stored when you installed them, which alot of people wouldnt like i guess |
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| 08:44.38 | peterS | MikeH: yeah, there would be problems with that approach, so that I wonder if it'd be worth doing at all |
| 08:44.44 | peterS | MikeH: mirror bandwidth is not actually a problem in debian, it seems |
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| 08:46.22 | bucky | it is with amd64... but someone just posted a new mirror in #debain-amd64 |
| 08:46.26 | dvsdude | #linux |
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| 08:46.47 | markybob | that's because amd64 isnt an official port |
| 08:46.59 | sep | MikeH: if it was too easy to turn off uploading then nobody would uploand and it would be rather pointless. |
| 08:47.02 | bucky | MikeH Coke: there dont seem to be that many mirrors with the pure64 repositories on |
| 08:47.12 | lwx | Hello everyone |
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| 08:47.30 | MikeH | sep: no one has to upload with bit torrent as it is |
| 08:47.32 | MikeH | but people still |
| 08:47.44 | MikeH | i personally leave torrents running until my uploads equalled the download |
| 08:47.57 | MikeH | or until i wake up if its already there |
| 08:48.07 | SlayerXP | MikeH: if I were your sysadmin, I'd personally shoot you :) |
| 08:49.01 | ApEtc | SlayerXP: Sysadmin infuriation isn't a valid defense for homicide just yet. |
| 08:49.06 | sep | for some reason bt's takes a lot longer then http/ftp for me. so i'v only used it a few times if there was no other option |
| 08:49.30 | MikeH | SlayerXP: I'm my own sysadmin :D |
| 08:49.35 | bucky | MikeH, so where have you been.. you haven't been in the channel for a while |
| 08:49.43 | sep | and nothing beats the speed of a local debian mirror so.. :) |
| 08:49.52 | caphuso | ApEtc: maybe if you get the judge to watch #debian for a week... |
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| 08:49.54 | markybob | wow. that's the most uninformed comment about bt that i've ever read. |
| 08:49.58 | MikeH | bucky: uhm, i got a life unfortunately :| |
| 08:50.01 | MikeH | not been in alot |
| 08:50.14 | MikeH | after i reformatted i forgot to put freenode back into my auto connect as well |
| 08:50.18 | bucky | MikeH, not been using debian i see |
| 08:50.27 | MikeH | no, had loads of problems with my old motherboard |
| 08:50.35 | MikeH | then when i went 64bit i had more problems |
| 08:50.43 | ApEtc | caphuso: I'm glad I keep logs. They could be called into evidence for defense. :) |
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| 08:51.02 | MikeH | took me 6 hours to get a bootable install, so i left it for a while, just decided to start getting everything setup for it as a proper desktop machine now :D |
| 08:51.09 | MikeH | so i'll be using it alot more |
| 08:51.14 | bucky | dial up? |
| 08:51.20 | MikeH | 2mbit adsl :D |
| 08:51.33 | bucky | err.. something's wrong then |
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| 08:52.01 | MikeH | oh no, it was just debinstaller and the way my raid works |
| 08:52.05 | MikeH | making things very confusing |
| 08:52.11 | MikeH | but 6 hours of backtracking later i did it |
| 08:52.44 | MikeH | I've also been developing quite an addiction to counter-strike over the last year, which has contributed to me using windows alot more now |
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| 08:53.24 | directhex|work | try cedega |
| 08:53.44 | Coke | or try another game. :) |
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| 08:54.15 | MikeH | yeah, that will be my first thing |
| 08:54.26 | MikeH | to try cedega, but im really funny about how my games "feel" and run |
| 08:54.30 | MikeH | if it isnt perfect, i cant play :| |
| 08:55.05 | Coke | MikeH: then don't. a crappy implementation of a crappy API is bound to be crappy. :) |
| 08:55.34 | sep | MikeH: been playing wolfenstein ET on linux, and the game feels totaly wrong on windows :) |
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| 08:56.05 | nagual | but et has native binaries for linux right? |
| 08:56.06 | directhex|work | i like the 'another game' idea. can't go wring with ut2004 |
| 08:56.14 | MikeH | sep: thats funny, i cant play ET on windows either |
| 08:56.16 | MikeH | nagual: yeah |
| 08:56.27 | directhex|work | nagual, ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/et/linux/ |
| 08:56.29 | Coke | sep: that's because the Q3 engine is totally geared towards a posix-like platform. it wasn't at first, but over the years it came so. |
| 08:56.32 | nagual | you guys use mouseacceleration, thats whats wrong :) |
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| 08:56.59 | MikeH | directhex|work: well it used to run really crap (gf2) but now i have a 6800ultra i shall be playing that under linux :D |
| 08:57.05 | nagual | i play on windows, but i did try qw on linux, that was rather nice though, even though it was different |
| 08:57.10 | MikeH | i bought it and its still in its wrapper |
| 08:57.17 | nagual | what you playing MikeH ? |
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| 08:57.25 | MikeH | nagual: my main game is cs |
| 08:57.25 | Coke | sep: you have the nvidia drivers which are faster for Linux than for Windows and then you have the stability of the Linux-port of the Q3 engine. The Windows version never worked properly with the UI and the user configuration stuff. |
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| 08:58.01 | nagual | Coke: what exactly didnt work on windows? |
| 08:58.08 | MikeH | http://www.g33k-gaming.com <-- been doing quite well competitively too :o |
| 08:58.25 | Coke | The same can be said for UT2004 which works flawless on my home machine (Debian), but with the same HW setup on a LAN-café it was all jerky and every know and then the game lagged like crazy do to too much HDD activity. |
| 08:58.29 | nagual | you mean czzzz? |
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| 08:58.44 | Coke | nagual: for instance, trying to keep your user configurations over a vast number of mods. |
| 08:58.50 | Noldo | Coke: no dma on the other one? |
| 08:58.54 | MikeH | nagual: http://www.counter-strike.net - its only the most popular/played online game :P |
| 08:59.27 | nagual | MikeH: do you remember NiP? |
| 08:59.33 | MikeH | nagual: ofcourse lol |
| 08:59.41 | Coke | Noldo: yes, ofcourse it had or it would have been laggin even more. but that's just the way windows works, I've never heard a Linux or OSX installation rattle the disks as much as Windows does. |
| 08:59.47 | MikeH | they've reformed again now - http://www.nip-gaming.com |
| 08:59.53 | MikeH | left SK atlast :D |
| 08:59.54 | nagual | i know people who played there. i played for 10 years, i doubt a lot of people can teach me much about gaming :) |
| 08:59.57 | chealer | MikeH: you should try armyops too...if you don't mind too much about US propaganda |
| 09:00.06 | nagual | (i been playing in several nationalleagues, for different games) |
| 09:00.12 | nagual | s/leagues/teams |
| 09:00.18 | MikeH | chealer: nah, im quite particular about gaming, nothing compares to cs in my mind |
| 09:00.18 | nagual | nm, back to work |
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| 09:00.30 | Coke | At this point, Linux is just a superiour gaming OS due to it's slick scheduling and memory handling. |
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| 09:00.55 | MikeH | Coke: now all you need to do is convince valve to port their goldsrc and source engines to linux |
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| 09:01.17 | MikeH | anyone know how hl2/source runs under cedega (if at all?) |
| 09:01.22 | chealer | Coke: once you got your 3D acceleration working and stable, I guess |
| 09:01.22 | Coke | MikeH: I think next after StarCraft, CounterStrike (HL) is one of the most wanted native ports ever! |
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| 09:01.37 | Coke | chealer: nvidia has been pretty much stable the last two years |
| 09:01.44 | MikeH | Coke: i reckon it is the most wanted port Coke :P |
| 09:01.45 | MikeH | IMO |
| 09:01.46 | nagual | superior gaming os? haha |
| 09:01.59 | Coke | chealer: some releases suck bigtime, but just revert back to an old version and wait for nvidia to fix. |
| 09:02.20 | MikeH | dont talk about nvidia :< i need to somehow get nvidia drivers working on here in a minute |
| 09:02.27 | MikeH | and seeing as the nv installer wont work |
| 09:02.34 | MikeH | ive gotta use the debian method, which i never could get to work, ever |
| 09:02.39 | Coke | MikeH: no, according to popular vote (this was back in early 2000) it was StarCraft. That might have changed. Keep in mind that StarCraft is still one of the most popular games in Asia, even bigger than CS. |
| 09:02.41 | MikeH | in the 4 years ive been using debian |
| 09:02.43 | Noldo | nagual: in terms of OS, not neccessarily in terms of games provided to |
| 09:02.46 | kaner | MikeH: ive seen a howto about getting HL2 run on cedega |
| 09:02.46 | bucky | let the fun begin! |
| 09:02.49 | tga | Gecko/20050325 Firefox/1.0.2 (Debian package 1.0.2-1) .. the only thing Firefox doesn't have in its UserAgent is my shoe size |
| 09:02.54 | MikeH | Coke: cs has grown ALOT since 2000 |
| 09:02.55 | chealer | I'm thinking of my own problem that I'd have to compile my kernel to run NVIDIA drivers stably |
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| 09:03.21 | Coke | MikeH: I just sh nvidia-installer.run downloaded from their site. it has worked since 1999 when I purchased the nv geforce 256. |
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| 09:03.35 | MikeH | Coke: apparently it wont work on debian64? |
| 09:03.51 | markybob | MikeH, sure it does. they have different drivers for amd64 |
| 09:03.52 | chealer | MikeH: try it again (unless on 64 bits...) |
| 09:03.56 | Coke | MikeH: StarCraft broadcasted on television is one of the most popular sports in Korea and China. |
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| 09:04.13 | sep | coke, mikeh and not to forget the xqf browser, so you dont have to use the crappy built in browser |
| 09:04.22 | Coke | CS might be more popular, I have no idea. Either way, both are at the top for native ports requests. |
| 09:04.30 | MikeH | erm |
| 09:04.35 | MikeH | could someone do me a favour |
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| 09:04.53 | Coke | But neither Blizzard and Valve care about that. The market is not big enough, I guess. |
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| 09:05.00 | MikeH | put the link to the 64bit gforce driver in a text file on some webspace (with a short url) |
| 09:05.10 | sep | MikeH: i'v never ever had issues with the nvidia debian howto, and i have nvidias in all my computers at home |
| 09:05.21 | MikeH | ^^ |
| 09:05.32 | Coke | Works For Us (TM) |
| 09:05.58 | opcodevoid | Anyone here had issues connecting to web using dhcp with woody? |
| 09:06.33 | MikeH | cant say ive ever used dhcp with woody, only machines i have using woody are colo'd :| |
| 09:06.48 | MikeH | but dhcp is working fine on this sarge install |
| 09:06.53 | Coke | opcodevoid: that question is well in the top ten stupid questions charter |
| 09:07.02 | MikeH | id say it was more likely a problem with your network/dhcp server/router |
| 09:07.19 | MikeH | bucky: you still there mate? |
| 09:07.35 | MikeH | fancy fulfilling my aforementioned request for me? :) |
| 09:07.44 | MikeH | the nvidia site is a pain in the ass in links |
| 09:07.58 | opcodevoid | Well it worked fine untill i had a problem and lilo messed up.So i reinstalled lilo now i can't access the web. |
| 09:08.21 | Coke | opcodevoid: lilo and web has nothing to do with each other unless you've altered some nic driver parameters. |
| 09:08.22 | bucky | MikeH, how about in a file on my ftp ? |
| 09:08.27 | MikeH | bucky: even better :) |
| 09:08.39 | opcodevoid | Thats the thing i never altered anything. |
| 09:08.49 | Coke | opcodevoid: so WHAT exactly isn't working? |
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| 09:09.07 | chealer | MikeH: nvidia.com/linux ? |
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| 09:09.13 | opcodevoid | Well i can log into debian and everything seems fine. |
| 09:09.33 | opcodevoid | Now if i call up my web browser i find i can't access the web. |
| 09:09.40 | Coke | opcodevoid: that still has nothing to do with the network unless you authenticate using a networked pam-module, which you probably don't. |
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| 09:09.55 | bucky | MikeH, ftp://hulamail.blogdns.com/pub/nvidia/link |
| 09:09.56 | MikeH | opcodevoid: try pinging an internal ip, if that works, try pinging an internet ip, if that works try pinging a domain name |
| 09:10.00 | Coke | opcodevoid: 1) learn how TCP/IP works, 2) configure your network devices correctly |
| 09:10.00 | bucky | that's for the latest |
| 09:10.07 | brosio | anyon could said a apt package manager on qt based ? |
| 09:10.11 | bucky | it might want the 2.6.11 kernel |
| 09:10.42 | MikeH | cheers bucky |
| 09:10.44 | opcodevoid | Coke i have id add 192.168.0.10 subnetmask 255.255.255.0 default gateway 192.168.0.1 dns 192.168.0.1 alt dns 4.2.2.2 |
| 09:11.00 | MikeH | bucky: hrm, i think im on 2.6.8 atm, thats how long ive left this machine for lol |
| 09:11.02 | Coke | opcodevoid: those are LAN addresses. |
| 09:11.09 | Coke | opcodevoid: they will NOT work on the Internet. |
| 09:11.19 | opcodevoid | Thats because everything goes through my router coke. |
| 09:11.40 | bucky | MikeH, it might be ok.. there was a time when there was some versioning problems but i think this driver addresses that |
| 09:11.46 | Coke | opcodevoid: you didn't say anything about a router before. does it work properly? |
| 09:11.51 | opcodevoid | yep |
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| 09:11.57 | Coke | opcodevoid: how do you know? |
| 09:12.06 | MikeH | bucky: i still prefer the old one (im talking back in 2001 here) |
| 09:12.09 | opcodevoid | Because it works great on windows. |
| 09:12.18 | chealer | brosio: kpackage...if you really don't want synaptic |
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| 09:12.24 | Coke | opcodevoid: and your windows machine gets 192.168.0.10 as well? |
| 09:12.30 | opcodevoid | yep |
| 09:12.36 | opcodevoid | Same config on tcp/ip |
| 09:12.48 | MikeH | maybe 2002 |
| 09:12.50 | Coke | opcodevoid: then it works. |
| 09:12.54 | MikeH | but i always had problems with the new one |
| 09:13.00 | Coke | opcodevoid: what does ifconfig say about eth0? |
| 09:13.10 | opcodevoid | Oh btw i have passed my ccna so a little networking respect would be nice.However i don't know linux ... |
| 09:13.29 | markybob | haha |
| 09:13.32 | MikeH | LOL |
| 09:13.33 | Coke | opcodevoid: linux uses TCP/IP so it works EXACTLY the same as in Windows |
| 09:13.39 | xam | opcodevoid respect??? hahaha |
| 09:13.40 | opcodevoid | I know this |
| 09:13.42 | deadcat | opcodevoid: no respect for ccna. |
| 09:13.50 | Coke | is that like MSCE? |
| 09:14.01 | opcodevoid | No it's Cisco |
| 09:14.02 | MikeH | cisco's MSCE isnt it :D |
| 09:14.03 | deadcat | certs. are for pussies |
| 09:14.06 | MikeH | basically |
| 09:14.12 | nevyn | opcodevoid: I have CCNA it's worthless |
| 09:14.18 | MikeH | agreed |
| 09:14.25 | Coke | opcodevoid: nevermind that blabber, ifconfig eth0 |
| 09:14.37 | bucky | get a real computer science degree and come back |
| 09:14.39 | MikeH | although if you work in a school/council etc. they pay you more for having one |
| 09:14.40 | Coke | ALL certificates are useless as a measurment of competence. |
| 09:14.50 | Coke | bucky: computer science degrees are also useless. |
| 09:14.51 | MikeH | well they do here in the UK |
| 09:14.56 | opcodevoid | Yeah but when someones telling me 192.168.0.1 is a lan address i need not be told that. |
| 09:15.02 | bucky | [/sarcasm] |
| 09:15.05 | Coke | bucky: or at least the Swedish ones are. |
| 09:15.08 | MikeH | Coke: i dont think thats entirely true, because i cant find a job :( |
| 09:15.15 | MikeH | everywhere wants some kind of qual |
| 09:15.23 | MikeH | being 18 doesnt help though :| |
| 09:15.23 | Coke | opcodevoid: will you ever give me the info on ifconfig eth0 ? |
| 09:15.59 | opcodevoid | Auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp. |
| 09:16.01 | brosio | anyon could said a apt package manager on qt based ? |
| 09:16.05 | chealer | brosio: kpackage...if you really don't want synaptic |
| 09:16.12 | brosio | thx |
| 09:16.15 | Coke | MikeH: I have no formal education, yet I've been employed since 1996, just after I finished primary school. I have even worked as a teacher in the universeties teaching people programming. |
| 09:16.23 | brosio | chealer, synaptic is better ? |
| 09:16.27 | Coke | opcodevoid: no, execute "ifconfig eth0" |
| 09:16.40 | chealer | brosio: definitely. kpackage is stalling since 2000 |
| 09:16.53 | chealer | brosio: synaptic is based on GTK |
| 09:17.01 | opcodevoid | Coke i will have to get back to you. |
| 09:17.03 | MikeH | Coke: you in the uk? |
| 09:17.03 | Coke | MikeH: you're just 18? |
| 09:17.08 | MikeH | yeah |
| 09:17.11 | opcodevoid | As i'm on windows atm. |
| 09:17.25 | brosio | so are = change only use of qt or gtk ? |
| 09:17.28 | Coke | MikeH: that explains it. I had my own company for a while and we wanted at least 4 years of working experience. |
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| 09:17.36 | opcodevoid | btw coke, i'm trying to learn C. Any tips? |
| 09:17.46 | Coke | MikeH: most places I've worked (except my first job, ofcourse) demanded work experience, not educational degrees. |
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| 09:17.57 | chealer | brosio: what? |
| 09:18.02 | MikeH | Coke: http://solid-servers.com -> trying to get money off gamers isnt that easy though :o |
| 09:18.10 | MikeH | opcodevoid: get yourself a book |
| 09:18.16 | MikeH | best way imo |
| 09:18.20 | Coke | opcodevoid: yes, reinvent the wheel, it is fun and educational regarldess of what people in #python might say. |
| 09:18.39 | Coke | MikeH: that's the worse advice I've ever seen |
| 09:18.43 | Coke | opcodevoid: do NOT buy a book. |
| 09:19.00 | opcodevoid | I've been working through the C book. |
| 09:19.19 | Coke | opcodevoid: get yourself a pet project that requires you to obtain new skills and then implement it. it's good if someone else has done something similar before you can check out a reference implementation. |
| 09:19.39 | Delph | and to be fair; if a university is teaching people programming languages, then you're at the wrong university. |
| 09:19.44 | opcodevoid | Bit like learning linux :-P |
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| 09:19.51 | Coke | opcodevoid: put the book on fire. just sit down in front of your computer and implement stuff until you are done. |
| 09:20.20 | Coke | Delph: Swedish universeties uses retarded languages like Java to teach OO. That pretty much says it all. |
| 09:20.37 | bucky | Coke, sweden is where all the genius people come from.. like bjorn stroustrup |
| 09:20.42 | opcodevoid | Coke, yeah i had to write a program to solve this maths problem which would have taken years on paper.Quite cool writing a prog to do the job for you. |
| 09:20.46 | Coke | Delph: they focus on what the commercial market wants, is what they say |
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| 09:21.02 | Delph | Coke: nothing wrong with java, nothing wrong with using it to teach OO. Provided you dont teach them java first =:) |
| 09:21.06 | opcodevoid | Anyhow coke, i'm off to get you the info. |
| 09:21.07 | opcodevoid | bbl |
| 09:21.10 | bucky | Coke, he's the head of the CS dept at texas a&m |
| 09:21.14 | XTR | Is there a GUI service manager for Gnome? If so what's it called? |
| 09:21.15 | kaner | bucky: bjarne, not bjorn :) |
| 09:21.18 | Coke | Delph: Java is not real OO. |
| 09:21.35 | Coke | I don't think Bjarne is swedish, but I wouldn't know. |
| 09:21.35 | bucky | dam i knew i'd misspell it |
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| 09:21.41 | ChrisW | mornin' |
| 09:21.42 | bucky | Coke, he is |
| 09:21.44 | boukensya | once I install gnustep how do I run it? |
| 09:21.52 | kaner | Coke: java isnt oo? |
| 09:21.58 | ChrisW | if a machine has a load average of 20, but no obviously busy proceses, how do you find out what the waiting proceses are? |
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| 09:22.14 | MikeH | hrm, being a bit rusty as far as debian goes, upgrading kernel via kernel image, is just a case of apt-get install'ing it and restarting yes? |
| 09:22.29 | MikeH | cant remember if i have to reconfig grub or not |
| 09:22.29 | MikeH | :| |
| 09:22.42 | Coke | kaner: it has some things borrowed from OO, but until they implement real operators, multiple inheritence and quit using syntax instead of objectification I regard it as a half-arsed attempt to make C++ available to morons. |
| 09:22.51 | xam | boukensya: you don't 'run' it, you start applications using 'openapp'. |
| 09:22.54 | XTR | I guess I should say services manager. Or GUI manager for services. :( |
| 09:23.01 | holycow | XTR, gnome-system-monitor |
| 09:23.11 | Coke | ChrisW: top |
| 09:23.17 | Delph | multiple inheritance. not needed for true OO. |
| 09:23.18 | boukensya | xam: okay, well then how do I get the desktop for it? |
| 09:23.18 | holycow | oh sorry |
| 09:23.20 | holycow | wrong thing |
| 09:23.20 | ChrisW | Coke: yep, top tells methe load average is 20 |
| 09:23.33 | ChrisW | but how do I find out what the processes are that are causing that high load average? |
| 09:23.34 | XTR | holycow To like start/stop/ and disable/enable on startup? |
| 09:23.37 | Coke | Delph: yes it is. otherwise you are missing one major compontent when objectifying problems. |
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| 09:23.47 | boukensya | xam running fluxbox |
| 09:23.57 | Coke | ChrisW: the process at the top of the list should be the culprit |
| 09:24.01 | Delph | Coke: that's what an interface is about, innit. |
| 09:24.04 | MikeH | OO = headache :( |
| 09:24.05 | ChrisW | Coke: don't think so |
| 09:24.08 | ChrisW | it's very odd |
| 09:24.14 | ChrisW | the CPU activity is near zero |
| 09:24.16 | holycow | XTR, not really, most linux services are daemons, most of those are started in the unix way, usually by scripting or addedt to /etc/init.d to startup at boot and such, depending on need |
| 09:24.21 | ChrisW | but the load average is still 20 |
| 09:24.24 | Coke | Delph: yes, a half-arsed way of getting around the extreme usefulness of multiple inheritence and mix-ins. |
| 09:24.25 | holycow | there is no real universal thing called 'services' |
| 09:24.36 | MikeH | what I still dont get is all the stuff about contructors and destructors etc. |
| 09:24.40 | holycow | thats more of a suse thing for 'common daemons found in suse' sorta thing |
| 09:24.50 | MikeH | i attempted to learn c++ as well as c# |
| 09:24.50 | Coke | ChrisW: so maybe the load refers to huge memory consumption? try pressing m or M for memory sort (I don't remember which one) |
| 09:24.56 | MikeH | and got no further than the basics |
| 09:25.02 | xam | boukensya: there is some kind of filemanager (not really a desktop), it is called GWorkspace (it is a GNUstep application, so you have to start it with openapp). For GNUstep the WindowMaker windowmanager is recommended, although other windowmanagers might work aswell (there might be mouse focus issues though) |
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| 09:25.13 | ChrisW | Coke: load average is the number of waiting processes, right? |
| 09:25.19 | ChrisW | so what would memory usage have to do with that? |
| 09:25.25 | Coke | ChrisW: not to my knowledge. |
| 09:25.38 | Coke | time for food |
| 09:25.39 | Coke | later |
| 09:25.42 | xam | boukensya: anyway, there is always #gnustep ... |
| 09:25.50 | boukensya | cool thanks (: |
| 09:25.53 | maccadam | ChrisW: load average is just a general indication of how much your system resources are used |
| 09:26.06 | maccadam | that could be related to memory usage, IO usage, CPU... |
| 09:26.36 | Delph | nooo. It's the number of processes in the runnable queue. |
| 09:26.38 | XTR | holycow I seem to remember a services manager in RedHat KDE a few years back. Oh well. |
| 09:26.47 | Delph | some sort of average over time. |
| 09:26.47 | holycow | XTR, same as suse |
| 09:26.52 | holycow | for common daemons found in redhat |
| 09:26.58 | zinx | meh, i need people to maintain/write docs for the crap i write |
| 09:27.08 | blight | anyone know how can I re-run the initial exim setup thing? |
| 09:27.22 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config IIRC |
| 09:27.22 | Delph | <1 it's how busy your CPU is. >1 your CPU is constantly busy, and if the CPU were faster, it would go faster. |
| 09:27.23 | ApTek | blight: dpkg-reconfigure exim perhaps? |
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| 09:27.29 | xam | blight: for exim4 it is 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' |
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| 09:27.35 | holycow | the problem with guis is that they over generalize what the daemon is actually doing, its better to learn how to set the services up manually first, then run a gui if you need later |
| 09:27.37 | blight | ApTek: ta |
| 09:27.41 | blight | xam: ta |
| 09:27.49 | bucky | base-config ? |
| 09:28.13 | ChrisW | Delph: okay,l so how come i'm seeign a load averafe of 20 with no CPUs being used? |
| 09:28.28 | rage_ | G'day, what is a simple way to identify the file system on a mounted drive? (thats not in the fstab?) |
| 09:28.29 | xam | ChrisW: bug? |
| 09:28.29 | XTR | holycow Gotcha. |
| 09:28.47 | nagual | http://www.r7designer.com/free_templates/tomorrow/index.htm (if you know what font RECENTNEWS is ill owe you a big one :) (sorry for being a tad offtopic, im getting desperate after a few days on this now) |
| 09:28.51 | sep | rage_: type mount |
| 09:29.07 | rage_ | haha, thanks :-) |
| 09:29.13 | bucky | XTR, debian has something similar to the |
| 09:29.19 | sep | ChrisW: you can see load becouse some ps waits on IO either harddrive or network |
| 09:29.34 | bucky | 'service' command - invoke-rc.d |
| 09:29.48 | maccadam | ChrisW: a load average of 20 means that 20 processes are asking cycles to your CPU |
| 09:29.57 | maccadam | i was wrong, it has nothing to do with IO and memory :) |
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| 09:30.18 | Delph | other than in the sense that they also affect which processes are in the runnable state. |
| 09:30.28 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:30.32 | maccadam | Delph: jup :) |
| 09:30.37 | clojster | is there a command for flushing RAM and Swap? |
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| 09:30.56 | ChrisW | Delph/maccadam: so how do I figure out wtf os going on? ;-) |
| 09:30.56 | tarzeau | clojster: why do you want to do that? |
| 09:30.57 | zinx | clojster: flush? |
| 09:31.07 | clojster | well - free up |
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| 09:31.13 | simonrvn | clojster: let the kernel do it. and AFAIK no, only syncing what's in the disk cache |
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| 09:31.17 | zinx | clojster: no, and there's not a reason to |
| 09:31.18 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 09:31.21 | bucky | bash: flush: command not found |
| 09:31.22 | xam | clojster: there is no command to flush the ram other than using it |
| 09:31.22 | tarzeau | clojster: it is freed up automatically when you close your applications |
| 09:31.28 | tarzeau | clojster: try look at free -m or xosview |
| 09:31.43 | tarzeau | dpkg hello bucky |
| 09:31.53 | bucky | hello dpkg |
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| 09:32.03 | amorphix | Anyone any idea why my PC is making an irritating high pitch noise, like a mosquito..would that be something to do with the fan? |
| 09:32.04 | tarzeau | i meant amorphix |
| 09:32.09 | amorphix | who? |
| 09:32.14 | clojster | yes, it is, but it seems that there still remainas some not-needed things |
| 09:32.18 | bucky | what's on second |
| 09:32.19 | tarzeau | but forgot how dpkg was saying strangest something |
| 09:32.20 | xam | amorphix: that could be the hard disk |
| 09:32.24 | amorphix | damn |
| 09:32.26 | hgoesm | do someone know where i can get more than 100MB free webspace? |
| 09:32.30 | amorphix | whats wrong with my hard disk? |
| 09:32.38 | zinx | amorphix: it could also be fans or monitor |
| 09:32.39 | tarzeau | amorphix: it's like very strange saying "hi" on a channel with 700+ people |
| 09:32.45 | garrett | yeah setup your own server |
| 09:32.46 | bucky | amorphix, hold it up to the monitor |
| 09:32.50 | kaner | hgoesm: gmail |
| 09:32.52 | kaner | :) |
| 09:33.03 | tarzeau | amorphix: who manufactured the harddisk? |
| 09:33.04 | sep | tarzeau: what would be strage is getting 700 greetings back |
| 09:33.05 | MikeH | hrm |
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| 09:33.12 | tarzeau | did you open the case and listen what's exactly making the noise? |
| 09:33.15 | garrett | anyone know a little about CPU arcitechture |
| 09:33.17 | amorphix | I think it was fujitsu, not sure |
| 09:33.18 | MikeH | linux doesnt like my nonstandard keys |
| 09:33.18 | tarzeau | sep: heh |
| 09:33.24 | MikeH | giving me loads of errors |
| 09:33.24 | MikeH | :/ |
| 09:33.25 | tarzeau | sep: that'd be unusual |
| 09:33.39 | tarzeau | MikeH: nonstandard keys? being what? |
| 09:33.42 | tga | garrett: very little |
| 09:33.42 | tarzeau | MikeH: in x or not? |
| 09:33.44 | amorphix | i should open the case |
| 09:33.55 | tarzeau | amorphix: and not insert your fingers in the turning fans! |
| 09:34.01 | amorphix | haha sure |
| 09:34.01 | bucky | amorphix, can you do a back up |
| 09:34.04 | tarzeau | amorphix: don't touch random parts |
| 09:34.07 | xam | garrett: what time frame are you talking about? rococo or baroque, gothic or roman style? |
| 09:34.18 | amorphix | i have no way to backup at this stage, the hdd is 10GB |
| 09:34.31 | amorphix | i can buy a new hdd |
| 09:34.33 | sep | amorphix: just copy over to another harddrive ! |
| 09:34.39 | hgoesm | an there a some other? |
| 09:34.50 | amorphix | i want to be sure it is the hdd tho first |
| 09:35.03 | garrett | I need help picking out a distro for my two comps i dont know what exactly which actitechure to use |
| 09:35.06 | amorphix | its stopped the noise now, after 3 days is gone quiet! |
| 09:35.08 | amorphix | how strange |
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| 09:35.20 | amorphix | no its started again |
| 09:35.26 | sep | amorphix: the drive will die eventualy, you should have a backup even if it dosnt die untill next month |
| 09:35.26 | hgoesm | i need one where my friends can download |
| 09:35.28 | _joey | how do I configure X, which scripts should I use? |
| 09:35.35 | amorphix | sep: good point |
| 09:35.46 | sep | _joey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:36.06 | sep | a drive died during easer here |
| 09:36.20 | sep | im running degraded now. .. scary |
| 09:36.22 | Putiikki | _joey: and after that dexconf, that writes configuration |
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| 09:38.18 | _joey | I don't know all the information I should enter when running xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:38.25 | _joey | bus number for the card |
| 09:38.28 | _joey | etc |
| 09:38.33 | chealer | Putiikki: that's if he hand-edited the file |
| 09:38.34 | Putiikki | just press enter |
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| 09:38.42 | Putiikki | chealer: oh, ok |
| 09:38.59 | chealer | it looks like people lose their eyes at this question |
| 09:39.09 | _joey | I already have working XF86Config, I only changed the graphics card into the same slot and need Device Section to update |
| 09:39.38 | sep | _joey: leave the bus id blank |
| 09:40.13 | sep | _joey: i imagined the text explained that you could leave it blank ? .... |
| 09:40.42 | _joey | are there standard scripts to fromX to automatically test the graphics card? |
| 09:40.45 | jm_ | yes, there's a full screen dedicated to it before the busid question pops up |
| 09:40.58 | _joey | I don't like that dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:41.24 | chealer | "Users of machines other than PowerPCs or SGI Indigo2 XLs with only one video card should leave this entry blank." |
| 09:41.59 | chealer | the human mind matches PCs' complexity |
| 09:42.00 | _joey | ChipRev, ChipID, ChipSet and Boardname is all I need to get the card going;) |
| 09:42.02 | reamtS | I have a file.txt and some of the lines are duplicate. How do I display the the line if that are 'not duplicate and duplicated once only' using "uniq". Or is there some other good method? |
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| 09:42.21 | jm_ | reamtS: sort -u |
| 09:42.25 | reamtS | thx |
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| 09:43.22 | XTR | What files do I have to edit to configure Apache 2 again? |
| 09:43.30 | tarzeau | dpkg backup |
| 09:43.30 | dpkg | i guess backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 09:43.31 | XTR | Or is it just one file? |
| 09:43.38 | tarzeau | dpkg backup is also http://www.taobackup.com |
| 09:43.38 | dpkg | tarzeau: that's too long |
| 09:43.42 | tarzeau | damn |
| 09:43.51 | Humbe | XTR: Look in /etc/apache |
| 09:43.59 | tarzeau | XTR: why not use apache (1.3.x)? |
| 09:44.11 | tarzeau | XTR: more generally look at dpkg -L apache2 (whatever package) |
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| 09:44.52 | sep | _joey: if you already have a working config then you just select the default on all occasions, so just run the dpkg-reconfigure and only change what you need to change leave the rest as it is |
| 09:45.19 | chealer | _joey: why do you need that? |
| 09:45.34 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | is a .deb a binary? or source |
| 09:45.52 | tarzeau | SPEEDing|V\oNK: binary |
| 09:46.00 | garrett | ok i got a amd duron 1.3G processor and anther system with a P4HT 3.2G I am sure that the AMD will need the i386 what what about the P4 |
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| 09:46.03 | tarzeau | SPEEDing|V\oNK: source packages are .tar.gz/dsc/diff |
| 09:46.14 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | tarzeau, thx |
| 09:46.15 | JediMaster | I have a really stupid question.... does anyone know of a web based interface to dpkg/apt? |
| 09:46.26 | tarzeau | JediMaster: no |
| 09:46.34 | garrett | nope |
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| 09:46.50 | sep | garrett: both those are i386 architectures |
| 09:46.51 | garrett | how do i reply like that? |
| 09:46.53 | XTR | tarzeau Thanks. Why Apache 1? |
| 09:47.05 | tarzeau | XTR: why apache 2? |
| 09:47.10 | XTR | Dunno? :( |
| 09:47.18 | tarzeau | XTR: then there is no reason to use 2 |
| 09:47.25 | garrett | oh so the i386 architectures runs as 64bit as well as 32 |
| 09:47.29 | JediMaster | I guess I'm going to have to do it the hard way (non-interactive) |
| 09:47.36 | XTR | I figured a newer version would be better? More features, less bugs? |
| 09:47.47 | tarzeau | JediMaster: do what? |
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| 09:48.05 | sep | garrett: there is an AMD64 for those who have that. |
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| 09:48.16 | JediMaster | apt-get update/upgrade/install from a web based control panel =) |
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| 09:49.04 | garrett | sep: duron with the exception modle 8 is 32 bit |
| 09:49.23 | garrett | sep: thank you for the help man |
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| 09:50.14 | garrett | then one more qeustion before i leave i have an asus ati 9600se in this machine and i cant get it to work properly |
| 09:50.38 | sep | garrett: /msg dpkg ati |
| 09:50.44 | garrett | no matter which drivers i use i cant get the DRI to enable |
| 09:50.55 | garrett | sep: thanx |
| 09:51.04 | komozo | someone to tell me his prefered irc client ? |
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| 09:51.27 | ChrisW | hmm, quickie "find" question |
| 09:51.30 | nevyn | komozo: irssi ? |
| 09:51.35 | sep | komozo: why would you want to use someone elses preferd client ? i usualy want to use _MY OWN_ preferd client :) |
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| 09:51.40 | _joey | damn it |
| 09:51.41 | ChrisW | find -name *.1 finds all .1 files, right? |
| 09:51.50 | ChrisW | for would I find all .1 and .2 files? |
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| 09:51.59 | _joey | could someone tell me the default configuration script that comes with X please;) |
| 09:52.01 | xam | ChrisW: find -name \*.1 |
| 09:52.03 | ChrisW | how would I find all .1 and .2 files? (even) |
| 09:52.16 | komozo | sep :just to know :) |
| 09:52.23 | ChrisW | xam: where's the .2 in that? |
| 09:52.32 | nevyn | _joey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 09:52.50 | nevyn | hrm maybe that should be xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:52.54 | directhex|work | _joey, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 09:52.54 | sep | komozo: i prefer amirc but im in xchat now |
| 09:53.00 | ChrisW | xam? |
| 09:53.01 | _joey | wait |
| 09:53.03 | xam | ChrisW: find -name \*.1 -or -name \*.2 |
| 09:53.05 | primo | how can I set the screen lightness in X? |
| 09:53.05 | _joey | wrong channel:) |
| 09:53.11 | ChrisW | aha |
| 09:53.17 | _joey | definately wrong channel |
| 09:53.19 | ChrisW | okay, the \ are redundant ;-) |
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| 09:53.38 | xam | ChrisW: find -name \*.[12] shoud work aswell |
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| 09:54.02 | amorphix | PC locked up |
| 09:54.18 | xam | ChrisW: not really, you want the \ ... your shell could do bad things |
| 09:54.20 | amorphix | you were right guys, it is my HDD thats making the high pitch mosquito noise |
| 09:54.47 | amorphix | does that mean it's gonna die soon? |
| 09:54.53 | xam | amorphix: told you so ;) |
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| 09:54.59 | amorphix | xam :) |
| 09:55.05 | sep | amorphix: all drives die soon, some just die sooner then others |
| 09:55.17 | XTR | UH. Newbie question. I'm in /etc/init.d But I don't know how to disable a service from starting up. Say Appletalk, for example, is there ONE file with system services listed that I edit? |
| 09:55.18 | amorphix | how long do drives normally last then? |
| 09:55.29 | rebecca_ | 1 day past their warrenty |
| 09:55.34 | amorphix | ha |
| 09:55.35 | MikeH | wow |
| 09:55.40 | MikeH | got scared then, new kernel wouldnt boot |
| 09:55.50 | amorphix | I've had drives running for 10 years |
| 09:55.50 | jm_ | XTR: man update-trc.d or use sysv-rc-conf |
| 09:56.00 | sep | and ibm a few months some last a few years old slow ones can last quite a few years and the more importent they are the shorter tehy last |
| 09:56.03 | tga | XTR: update-rc.d -f fubar remove |
| 09:56.05 | MikeH | realised that grub still thinks its (hd2) in linux, but is actually hd0 from bootloader :o |
| 09:56.08 | xam | amorphix: well, my toshiba laptop drive started making loud noises after half a year, but since then it is running fine for 3 years now. OTOH the hard disk of my server died last week, also with much noise |
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| 09:56.22 | XTR | jm_ As in edit sysv-rc-conf ? |
| 09:56.23 | amorphix | phew |
| 09:56.33 | amorphix | Toshiba hardware is good |
| 09:56.43 | amorphix | I have a Toshiba laptop and also a Toshiba server |
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| 09:57.05 | xam | amorphix: the laptop is dell, just the hard drive is toshiba ;) |
| 09:57.06 | XTR | tga You series about the fubar bit? |
| 09:57.12 | amorphix | but this PC with the whistling drive is in a HP machine with a Fujitsu drive |
| 09:57.18 | amorphix | :) |
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| 09:57.20 | tga | XTR: where 'fubar' is the name of your service |
| 09:57.26 | XTR | Oh. |
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| 09:57.56 | XTR | Where's sysv-rc-conf anyway? |
| 09:58.00 | amorphix | one should be wary of buying 2nd user HDDs then? |
| 09:58.00 | rebecca_ | amorphix: is the drive outputing a log of heat? |
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| 09:58.08 | amorphix | because you dont know how old it is eh |
| 09:58.14 | sep | amorphix: definitiftly |
| 09:58.15 | rebecca_ | s/log/lot |
| 09:58.26 | amorphix | rebecca: it doesnt seem to be very hot really, just normal |
| 09:58.42 | xam | amorphix: exactly. furthermore the shipping could damage the drive ... |
| 09:58.48 | sep | amorphix: just take your backups youll sleep better at night |
| 09:59.03 | sep | then it dosnt matter when it dies since you have your backups |
| 09:59.14 | MikeH | stupid question, nvidia wants libc, what package do i need? :| |
| 09:59.17 | amorphix | true |
| 09:59.27 | xam | sep: the question is: what kind of backup media? |
| 09:59.29 | ledet | MikeH: you already have libc |
| 09:59.36 | amorphix | whats the best way to backup, just keep a 2nd hdd or use media storage? |
| 09:59.40 | ledet | MikeH: you might not have the -dev package |
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| 09:59.53 | MikeH | ledet: thats what i need |
| 09:59.54 | xam | MikeH: it probably wants libc-dev |
| 09:59.55 | xam | MikeH: it probably wants libc6-dev |
| 10:00.00 | sep | !best |
| 10:00.00 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 10:00.02 | rebecca_ | amorphix: okay. if i were you i would be limiting the spin/power cycles you subject it too if you want it to last |
| 10:00.02 | amorphix | i guess DVD is the best mass storage media |
| 10:00.05 | MikeH | thanks :D |
| 10:00.21 | amorphix | rebecca: how do i do that, just not access it as much? |
| 10:00.37 | rebecca_ | amorphix: imho a hdd is the best mass storage media. dvds are too damn small |
| 10:00.45 | sep | amorphix: houerlyu rsync to a compleate backup server that's ready to take over |
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| 10:00.54 | xam | amorphix: DVD-R, +R, -RW, +RW or -RAM? |
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| 10:01.03 | sep | amorphix: also hd's are cheap fast and big |
| 10:01.17 | amorphix | i will find a hdd |
| 10:01.24 | xam | amorpix: I'd go for MO-disks, but they are so expensive :-/ |
| 10:01.26 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hd > * |
| 10:01.35 | amorphix | im on a tight budget tho |
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| 10:01.46 | rebecca_ | amorphix: keep the box running 24/7 |
| 10:01.51 | sep | amorphix: i take backup on 7 hotswap hardrives labled by day, and 12 drives labled by month |
| 10:01.53 | amorphix | ok |
| 10:01.56 | xam | sep: and hdds die easily and then you can't get your data back ... not ideal for backup |
| 10:02.16 | sep | xam 7 drives dont day on the same time |
| 10:02.24 | amorphix | but the odds of two hdd's dying at the same time is slim eh |
| 10:02.26 | sep | cd's get scratches, tapes fail also |
| 10:02.27 | xam | sep: EMP ;) |
| 10:02.40 | amorphix | unless your place burns down |
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| 10:02.50 | sep | xam then i think i have more to worry about then my hd's alone :) |
| 10:02.52 | rebecca_ | XaM: nothing is 100% reliable, and any decent backup process should involve some redundancy to deal with failures |
| 10:03.13 | sep | amorphix: i also rsync the whole schebang over to a remote location, and we take the month drives out of the building |
| 10:03.22 | amorphix | one can never have too many backups or too many pairs of socks |
| 10:03.39 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | yea i agree |
| 10:03.50 | holycow | amorphix, truer words have not been spoken |
| 10:03.51 | EvanCarroll | Do nvidia mobos work well with linux? I have never purchased one but im considering it |
| 10:03.52 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | not that i do backups tho, |
| 10:03.57 | MikeH | aah |
| 10:03.58 | holycow | your like ... the second coming of budha |
| 10:03.58 | MikeH | help |
| 10:04.00 | holycow | >_> |
| 10:04.00 | sep | and the day drives are in a socalled firesafe safe. but i'v not tested that'' |
| 10:04.01 | holycow | <_< |
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| 10:04.10 | sep | so i dont know how firesafe it actualy is ... |
| 10:04.15 | amorphix | hehe |
| 10:04.16 | holycow | -_- |
| 10:04.19 | xam | rebecca_: of course nothing is 100% reliable, but making backups for a medium that sometimes fails, or is almost guaranteed to fail within 10 years (hard disk), and using the same medium for the backup is not a bright idea IMHO |
| 10:04.45 | MikeH | i tried installing libc6-dev it errored out about the version of libc6, now when i try to upgrade libc6 it errors about the -dev pacakge not being installed properly and to do -f install, but that just does the same thing :| |
| 10:04.53 | holycow | xam, hard disk is really the only reliable backup media |
| 10:04.59 | gafty | hi! how can I reintall a packet that is alerady installes on the system ? like procps |
| 10:05.08 | holycow | its encased in a very very very sturdy case |
| 10:05.12 | mathieu_ | gafty, apt-get install |
| 10:05.17 | holycow | if you back it up to removable hds and store those, they will last forever |
| 10:05.21 | mathieu_ | gafty, apt-get install --reinstall |
| 10:05.38 | holycow | if an hd fails, usually the arm just stops working, the data is still on the platter and can be accessed |
| 10:05.40 | sep | i have had so many customers that want me to restore from a old tape , it's been churning and churing in the same server for years and it's naturally been worn out |
| 10:05.43 | amorphix | the advantage of hdd backup too is you can quickly recover from a failure eh |
| 10:05.47 | MikeH | xam: any ideas? |
| 10:05.53 | gafty | mathieu_: thanx |
| 10:05.55 | sep | tape is just dog slow and fails just as bad as drives |
| 10:05.57 | holycow | i don't know of any other backup media that is as reliable |
| 10:06.02 | doleyb | holycow: a single high-altitude EMP bomb can blank all HDs in a 100 km radius. |
| 10:06.05 | xam | holycow: and has a read/write head that is prone to crash on the platter surface while that spins with thousands of RPM. Make no mistake, hdds are fragile |
| 10:06.11 | holycow | doleyb, and tape too |
| 10:06.13 | amorphix | lol |
| 10:06.24 | sep | gafty: apt-get install --reinstall packagename |
| 10:06.35 | gafty | mathieu_: I think I broked my debian with "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 10:06.36 | amorphix | well if an EMP bomb strikes i think most backup methods will be useless since PC's wont function |
| 10:06.38 | xam | MikeH: try dpkg --purge libc6-dev |
| 10:07.04 | doleyb | so be sure to make yearly backups to stone tablets |
| 10:07.11 | xam | holycow: DVDs and MO disks might be safe ... |
| 10:07.11 | gafty | mathieu_: I use apt-get dist-upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade |
| 10:07.12 | rebecca_ | amorphix: lol |
| 10:07.16 | amorphix | if someone gets hold of such a weapon we'll all be screwed |
| 10:07.16 | nagual | how powerfule/useable are emps now? |
| 10:07.33 | holycow | xam, i can't tell you how much data i've lost off of cdroms and dvds and such |
| 10:07.37 | sep | xam cd's and dvd's must be the most fragile backup medium ever. |
| 10:07.39 | doleyb | nagual: nobody can know for sure, they're dangerous & illegal to test. (the big ones) |
| 10:07.47 | amorphix | cdroms seem to be the least reliable backup method |
| 10:07.53 | nagual | except for the millitary of course :) |
| 10:08.05 | doleyb | nagual: no, the nuclear test ban treaty applies to some EMPs |
| 10:08.06 | holycow | not sure about magneto opticals, but i don't trust anything where the surface you are storing data is actually exposed to air, in some shitty plastic or paper sleeve |
| 10:08.09 | amorphix | perhaps thats why they're the cheapest |
| 10:08.35 | amorphix | if you value your data dont store it on cdrom, right? |
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| 10:08.47 | sep | amorphix: xactly |
| 10:08.55 | MikeH | xam: on, now ive tried upgrading libc6 |
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| 10:08.59 | MikeH | ive got a similar problem |
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| 10:09.05 | MikeH | but with libc6 |
| 10:09.05 | MikeH | :| |
| 10:09.11 | MikeH | just errors out |
| 10:09.21 | xam | sep: if you just write the stuff on CD/DVD once, store it on a safe location then it is not too bad. anyway, DVD-RAM is another exception, as it is also quite safe (when used in the cardriges) |
| 10:09.22 | amorphix | what about external drives that use USB port |
| 10:10.15 | amorphix | compact flash media can go past 1GB now eh |
| 10:10.15 | xam | holycow: MO disks are usually in cartridges |
| 10:10.18 | amorphix | microdrives |
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| 10:10.31 | holycow | xam, if you write your data to removable hd's once in a while (they are cheaper per gig than cd's or dvds) you are even safer |
| 10:10.43 | amorphix | cool |
| 10:10.54 | MikeH | xam: dont suppose you have anymore useful suggestions? :) |
| 10:11.04 | amorphix | you only need to store the important stuff so a small drive will do i guess |
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| 10:11.06 | holycow | *nod* yeah, i've not used magneto optical so yeah there may be a good use for them :) |
| 10:11.10 | xam | MikeH: not now anyway, have to go to work |
| 10:11.13 | amorphix | invest in a smaller high quality new disk for backup |
| 10:11.18 | doleyb | But remember that some CD-Rs decay with time, so copy them onto fresh ones every 10 years |
| 10:11.38 | amorphix | phew |
| 10:11.44 | amorphix | CDR's degrade? |
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| 10:11.45 | holycow | removable hard drives people :) store them safely, they are quick and enormous |
| 10:11.45 | holycow | haha |
| 10:12.04 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | thats what i do, i have all my data like multi media, important crap stored on a HD thats not installed, and anything like OSes / Games is burnt to backup CDs then i take the origional CDs and put them in my closet |
| 10:12.10 | sep | cd and dvd's both degrade over time |
| 10:12.20 | xam | holycow: I've seen so many HDDs fail im my life time, I don't trust them. |
| 10:12.30 | doleyb | Everything degrades. CD-Rs have only been sold for about 10 years, so nobody really knows how fast they are falling apart. Some cheap ones flake off in a few days. |
| 10:12.32 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | stop rocking the PC then |
| 10:12.50 | doleyb | I have to rock my HD to unstick the motor. |
| 10:12.54 | holycow | xam *nod* i know thats because they are always spinning |
| 10:12.55 | jm_ | indeed, some of my CD-s died after 4-6 years |
| 10:13.02 | amorphix | damn |
| 10:13.04 | holycow | hence *removable* hard drives |
| 10:13.06 | rebecca_ | XaM: hdd's fail from use. i imagine if you were constantly using your dvd/cd backup it would also degrade in a similar manner |
| 10:13.13 | holycow | spin your cds all day long at 52x and see what happens |
| 10:13.32 | holycow | never mind the daily decay associated purely with the natural decay of the substrate they are made of :/ |
| 10:13.44 | amorphix | is removable media and compact flash-II the best and most permanent media then? |
| 10:13.51 | doleyb | some people speculate that sunlight will melt cdrs after a few years of showning. |
| 10:14.01 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hardly |
| 10:14.14 | xam | amorphix: compact flash is a very poor choice for long-time backup |
| 10:14.17 | doleyb | Buy a commercial CD-press. |
| 10:14.18 | amorphix | why? |
| 10:14.23 | doleyb | or a dvd stamper. |
| 10:14.25 | MikeH | anyone? |
| 10:14.55 | xam | amorphix: data will be corrupted within a couple of years at least ... |
| 10:14.55 | amorphix | hi Mike |
| 10:15.01 | amorphix | damn |
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| 10:15.13 | amorphix | so removable media is only good for very short term storage |
| 10:15.21 | MikeH | :( |
| 10:15.25 | sep | MikeH: remove the -dev package upgrade your libc6 and install your -dev again |
| 10:15.32 | MikeH | sep: i did that |
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| 10:15.37 | MikeH | but when i tried to upgrade the libc6 |
| 10:15.39 | MikeH | it errored out |
| 10:15.44 | queuetue | Hello. Is there a way to list which repository a package was installed from? |
| 10:15.46 | MikeH | now apt wont do anythign without moaning about that |
| 10:15.46 | amorphix | thats a pity because its getting cheaper and is easily useable between different hardware |
| 10:15.49 | sep | and the error messages was ? |
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| 10:16.04 | MikeH | just said errors occured |
| 10:16.07 | MikeH | no explaination |
| 10:16.12 | MikeH | apart from "error code 1" |
| 10:16.22 | amorphix | ive seen that error before |
| 10:16.24 | sep | amorphix: in what way is a a usb flash drive more useable then a usb harddrive ? :) |
| 10:16.31 | amorphix | did u look it up? |
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| 10:16.40 | xam | amorphix: probably one of the best backup media are MO-disks, but they are very expensive. personally I don't recommend DLT/DAT for long-term backup, but for short term it is fine |
| 10:16.51 | MikeH | amorphix: cant really with just a console, and a broken apt/dpkg so i cant install links |
| 10:17.02 | amorphix | sep: i can use flash media in my digital cam, pda :P |
| 10:17.10 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | just use a regulay HD.. |
| 10:17.11 | holycow | xam, some comp sci profs did invent a ceramic composite for cdr's that is supposed to last thousands of years however :) |
| 10:17.26 | holycow | they mixed it together out of nail polish and some other stuff in an afternoon appearently |
| 10:17.27 | holycow | hehe |
| 10:17.29 | MikeH | sep: any ideas mate? |
| 10:17.34 | xam | holycow: hehe |
| 10:17.42 | xam | gotta go |
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| 10:18.12 | doleyb | steganographically encode your data ontop of porn pics, and upload them to usenet. then download them again when you need it again. |
| 10:18.21 | amorphix | haha |
| 10:18.38 | jm_ | yeah, add par2 recovery data to them as well ;) |
| 10:18.52 | MikeH | oh sep: "trying to overwrite /usr/lib64 which is also in package base-files" |
| 10:18.55 | MikeH | sep: does that help? |
| 10:19.05 | amorphix | l8rs guys |
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| 10:19.26 | sep | MikeH: now that's a lot more descriptive then 'error code 1' :) |
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| 10:20.14 | MikeH | sep: i didnt see that bit til i just tried using dpkg on the cache file |
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| 10:20.39 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | wernt you saposed to deleat the lib tho? |
| 10:20.46 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | <sep> MikeH: remove the -dev package upgrade your libc6 and install your -dev again |
| 10:21.04 | MikeH | i removed the -dev package |
| 10:21.10 | MikeH | you cant remove libc tho lol |
| 10:21.30 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | oh i misread |
| 10:21.54 | sep | MikeH: and dist-upgrade dont handle it for you ? |
| 10:22.21 | fabrizio | hi all |
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| 10:22.33 | MikeH | nope, errors out about the libc problems |
| 10:22.37 | MikeH | thats the problem sep :| |
| 10:23.11 | MikeH | sep: anyway i can make it "forget" that i ever tried upgrading libc6? |
| 10:23.31 | MikeH | so i can dist-upgrade |
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| 10:23.38 | p88 | hi all |
| 10:23.49 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hello |
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| 10:23.55 | goodshit | anyone know the utils to see incoming and outgoing bandwidth?? |
| 10:24.03 | sep | MikeH: i guess you need to force overwrite, but i'm never comfy with that. :) |
| 10:24.08 | p88 | goodshit: firestarter does that |
| 10:24.12 | MikeH | how do i do that sep ? |
| 10:24.17 | goodshit | firestarter |
| 10:24.21 | goodshit | is it a utils under linux? |
| 10:24.28 | p88 | yes it is in debian |
| 10:24.36 | p88 | it is for firewalls (iptables) |
| 10:24.40 | gafty | how can I reinstall all my packages ? |
| 10:24.46 | PerfDave | goodshit: iftop |
| 10:24.52 | goodshit | iftop |
| 10:24.56 | PerfDave | gafty: Why do you think you want to do this? |
| 10:25.24 | p88 | yes iftop is nice :) |
| 10:25.29 | sep | dpkg --force-help |
| 10:25.33 | p88 | never saw that before |
| 10:25.36 | sep | MikeH: dpkg --force-help |
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| 10:25.40 | p88 | I have a question on kernel modules |
| 10:25.43 | goodshit | is iftop for redhat also? |
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| 10:26.04 | visual^q2ing | anyone has quake2 running on linux here? |
| 10:26.10 | applejack | hello,. is there a tool that can tell what package I need to install to get a specific library? |
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| 10:26.31 | visual^q2ing | applejack: apt-cache search (library u need) |
| 10:26.32 | markybob | applejack, try /msg dpkg find libraryfoo.so |
| 10:26.34 | p88 | goodshit: what version redhat? |
| 10:26.35 | sep | gafty: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 10:26.55 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 10:26.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:26.58 | p88 | goodshit: on 7.2 it is broken |
| 10:26.58 | goodshit | redhat 7.3 |
| 10:27.03 | p88 | on 7.3 it works |
| 10:27.10 | goodshit | what work for 7.3? |
| 10:27.11 | visual_ | !troll MobyTurbo |
| 10:27.14 | goodshit | and monitor incoming and outgoing |
| 10:27.16 | p88 | goodshit: iftop |
| 10:27.18 | goodshit | ok |
| 10:27.24 | goodshit | let me go grab the rpm.. |
| 10:27.26 | MobyTurbo | !aolify visual_ |
| 10:27.27 | applejack | apt-cache search no wirkies to find libXtst.so.6 |
| 10:27.31 | goodshit | where is a good place to get rpm? for 7.3 |
| 10:27.46 | PerfDave | goodshit: #redhat |
| 10:27.51 | doleyb | um, rpmfind.net is the only place to get rpms, ever. |
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| 10:27.56 | markybob | applejack, it wouldnt. do what i said |
| 10:27.58 | applejack | ahh,. leave out the .so.6 |
| 10:27.58 | PerfDave | goodshit: This si a Debian channel, for Debian systems. |
| 10:27.59 | visual_ | applejack: packages.debian.org try from there |
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| 10:28.13 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.15 | p88 | My question: with a cmedia soundcard I need to set mpuio and fmio somewhere. Where do I set that? (I have it compiled statically into my kernel) |
| 10:28.22 | visual_ | goodshit: who is dumb enuff to use redhat when there's debian? |
| 10:28.35 | MobyTurbo | goodshit: you don't spell it "u" |
| 10:28.36 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.41 | p88 | Anyone? |
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| 10:28.55 | visual_ | p88: im using cmedia's cmi8330 chipset builtin sound...but what is the actual problem you get there? |
| 10:28.56 | PerfDave | visual_: People who want commercial support contracts to get Linux in their server rooms? |
| 10:29.05 | p88 | visual_: MIDI support is not available |
| 10:29.21 | PerfDave | p88: Why not use a Debian kernel-image, then you could pass module parameters. |
| 10:29.50 | visual_ | p88: *think* sorry i cant help |
| 10:29.53 | p88 | PerfDave: I have thought about that but isn't it possible to statically pass the options? |
| 10:30.07 | PerfDave | p88: Dunno. I just use kernel-image packages. |
| 10:30.11 | sep | p88 usign a kernel boot argument probably |
| 10:30.14 | p88 | visual_: you have an ISA card I have a PCI card |
| 10:30.21 | gafty | I don't know what happend with m debain but when I try to install nullmailer I reveice some errors |
| 10:30.21 | doleyb | p88: open the .c file for it, and type in what you want as constants |
| 10:30.23 | applejack | thnx folks |
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| 10:30.26 | sep | p88 but a kernel-image is ususly more sane anyway |
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| 10:30.40 | PerfDave | !debain |
| 10:30.41 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 10:30.44 | MikeH | anyone use nvidia know why the nvidia installer would error about loading the .ko module? and say its to do with the wrong kernel source? |
| 10:30.45 | gafty | dpkg: error processing nullmailer (--configure): |
| 10:30.45 | gafty | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.45 | gafty | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:30.45 | gafty | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.45 | gafty | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 10:30.47 | visual_ | p88: i think cmi8330 is pci card? oww...im dumb |
| 10:30.55 | visual_ | !flood |
| 10:30.55 | dpkg | Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. Any questions? If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 10:30.59 | PerfDave | MikeH: Which nvidia installer? Don't use the one from nvidia's website. |
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| 10:31.03 | PerfDave | MikeH: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 10:31.34 | sep | MikeH: you'v compiled the nvidia kernel module agains a kernel source that's different from the kernel your running |
| 10:31.50 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | OHHHHH cool im glad i didnt leave yet |
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| 10:32.02 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | i hat the same problem mikeH |
| 10:32.06 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | had* |
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| 10:32.18 | queuetue | Is there a way to list all packages that are marked "local"? I have a conflict with an unifficial repository - I've removed the entry from sources, but I'm not completely sure what was installed from there, so I don't know what to reinstall to get rid of it's presence... |
| 10:32.22 | MaXtOrS | does any one here whant to help me instal debian + kde on my other PC???? |
| 10:32.29 | MaXtOrS | message me private |
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| 10:32.36 | MikeH | PerfDave: hrm, im getting mixed messages |
| 10:32.37 | MikeH | :| |
| 10:32.40 | PerfDave | MaXtOrS: Read the Installation Manual. |
| 10:32.42 | MikeH | i was told the nvidia installer was fine earlier |
| 10:32.43 | MikeH | :| |
| 10:32.53 | MaXtOrS | no it's to hard |
| 10:32.54 | chealer | !tell MaXtOrS about msgyou |
| 10:32.56 | PerfDave | MikeH: The nvidia installer causes conflicts with apt. |
| 10:33.14 | MikeH | sep: and i dont know how thats possible, as i only have the kernel-headers installed for my current kernel |
| 10:33.15 | MaXtOrS | can some one help me |
| 10:33.28 | deadcat | NO |
| 10:33.29 | njan | no offence, PerfDave, but that's a really rude reply to someone who was honestly and politely asking for help. |
| 10:33.31 | MikeH | PerfDave: fair enough, but its a bit hard to read a webpage and do stuff in console :( |
| 10:33.31 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | PerfDave, does that go for the nForce drivers too? |
| 10:33.45 | chealer | !nickometer MaXtOrS |
| 10:33.45 | dpkg | 'MaXtOrS' is 99.9062% lame, chealer |
| 10:33.47 | sep | MikeH: well as i said, iv never dont it that way, i only used the debian nvidia howto |
| 10:33.51 | chealer | ugh |
| 10:33.51 | PerfDave | SPEEDing|V\oNK: No idea, I wouldn't touch nforce with a bargepole ;) |
| 10:33.57 | MikeH | gah |
| 10:33.58 | PerfDave | njan: Which reply is that? |
| 10:34.02 | MikeH | this is so hard without X :( |
| 10:34.04 | njan | <PerfDave> MaXtOrS: Read the Installation Manual. |
| 10:34.10 | MikeH | no copy and paste or anything :/ |
| 10:34.13 | PerfDave | MikeH: screen, lynx, irssi are good. |
| 10:34.19 | PerfDave | MikeH: Screen will let you copy and paste. |
| 10:34.23 | sep | gafty: remove and purge and use another nullmailer there are several |
| 10:34.30 | opcodevoid | Hey coke not sure if this helps but ifconfig eth0 gives me:- eth0-linkencap:ethernet hwaddr oo:oD:87:38:ef:86, up b/cast running multicast, mtu:1500 metric, rx packets;0 errors 0, dropped 0, overuns 0, ..... |
| 10:34.37 | MikeH | thats anothing thing to figure out how to do though PerfDave :( |
| 10:34.41 | PerfDave | njan: Uhm, people frequently come in here having problems with installation, and aren't even aware that the Installation Manual *exists* |
| 10:34.42 | njan | that one, PerfDave. He didn't ask *how* to install debian, he asked if anyone was prepared to help him. You didn't answer his question, you just insulted his intelligence, to be honest. |
| 10:34.44 | MikeH | what conflicts does it cause anyway? |
| 10:34.59 | njan | PerfDave, he didn't indicate one way or the other whether he had or hadn't read it when you answered his question. |
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| 10:35.07 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | booyah, told ya its pretty active here +D |
| 10:35.08 | MikeH | hrm, this console is starting to hurt my eyes, i need to do this soon :| |
| 10:35.11 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | peace guys |
| 10:35.18 | booyah | SPEEDing|V\oNK: true enough |
| 10:35.27 | markybob | opcodevoid, what's the ip information supposed to be? |
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| 10:35.39 | PerfDave | njan: *shrug* Somebody who thinks that reading a manual is "to hard" can't have their intelligence insulted much, IMNSHO. |
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| 10:36.18 | booyah | "too hard" if we're going to go on a flame strike |
| 10:36.18 | PerfDave | MikeH: apt-get install screen, use "Ctrl-A w" to list your screens, "Ctrl-A C" to create new ones, "Ctrl-A [" to copy and "Ctrl-A ]" to paste. |
| 10:36.23 | booyah | which i am all for :D |
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| 10:36.53 | booyah | and ctrl-a d to leave the screen |
| 10:36.53 | Opiated | hi, how can I get/download the source code for program 'clear'? |
| 10:37.01 | njan | PerfDave, *shrug*.. personally, I'm prepared to eat humble pie in exchange for more people using linux, but maybe that's just me. |
| 10:37.10 | PerfDave | njan: I don't think somebody who's not prepared to read documentation is going to have much success running Linux, and I think it's very rude of somebody to ask to be spoonfed, especially in privmsg, rather than actually trying to do things for themselves. |
| 10:37.12 | markybob | opcodevoid, the network isnt configured. what's the ip info supposed to be? |
| 10:37.16 | Opiated | I can't seem to be able to find a way to do it |
| 10:37.18 | PerfDave | !tell njan about stupid answers |
| 10:37.35 | p88 | How do I find out the iobase of a device? |
| 10:37.52 | opcodevoid | markybob,the network should run through my router 192.168.0.10 |
| 10:37.55 | PerfDave | Opiated: Isn't "clear" a bash builtin? |
| 10:37.57 | njan | PerfDave, someone programming the answer into a bot doesn't make you right, it just means that most likely more than one person shares the same opinion. |
| 10:38.06 | njan | PerfDave, and there's more than one idiot in here.. does that make them all right? :p |
| 10:38.16 | markybob | opcodevoid, what's your ip? what's your gateway? what's your netmask? dns server? |
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| 10:38.33 | Seadog | hi everyone |
| 10:38.48 | RjY | clear is a small binary from one of the ncurses packages |
| 10:38.49 | PerfDave | njan: Whatever. If you want to waste hours talking someone through installing Debian in privmsg when they're too fucking lazy to RTFM, then that's your business. I predict you will find the experience frustrating and unproductive. |
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| 10:39.12 | PerfDave | Opiated: Find out which package contains the binary, apt-get source it. |
| 10:39.14 | opcodevoid | ip address 192.168.0.10, subnetmask 255.255.255.0 default gateway 192.168.0.1 dns 192.168.0.1 alt dns 4.2.2.2 |
| 10:39.17 | Seadog | Got a bit of a problem, I've done a Kanotix HD install and so they said I should come here for help, I was wondering how to get my bluetooth mouse/keyboard working |
| 10:39.28 | PerfDave | Seadog: No, you should go to #kanotix. Kanotix is not Debian. |
| 10:39.30 | Guerin | Seadog: who said that? |
| 10:39.45 | MobyTurbo | !debian based |
| 10:39.46 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 10:39.47 | Seadog | meh, read it somewhere |
| 10:39.52 | njan | PerfDave, besides which, imo that's a very high and mighty position to be in. We aren't all born with a predisposition towards reading documentation. Some of us are kinaesthetic learners, some of us are intra/interpersonal learners.. it's actually extremely hard for some people to extrapolate information from documentation, especially when so much of it is so poorly written. |
| 10:39.59 | Guerin | Seadog: and you believe everything you read, right |
| 10:40.05 | goodluck | anyone use ethtool before? what is the command to view incoming and outgoing traffic on my eth1 interface can someone please hlep me thanks.. |
| 10:40.06 | Seadog | yeah ^_^ |
| 10:40.07 | markybob | opcodevoid, ifconfig eth0 192.168.10.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 up && route add default gw 192.168.0.01 && echo "nameserver 192.168.0.1" >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:40.12 | Guerin | njan: stop being a twat |
| 10:40.25 | markybob | markybob, sorry. change the default gw to 192.168.0.1, obviously :-) |
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| 10:40.39 | booyah | hey, i think they fixed the network pings! |
| 10:40.40 | PerfDave | njan: You're entitled to your opinion, I don't give a fuck about it. If you think documentation is poorly written, improve it. If you want to help this fucktard, then help them. Either way, be quiet. |
| 10:40.41 | njan | Guerin, thankyou for your well considered and excellently explained argument. I applaud both your intelligence, originality, and your patience. |
| 10:40.44 | Guerin | njan: people asking for free support have a responsibility to at least ATTEMPT to read and understand some documentation |
| 10:40.54 | booyah | err wrong channel :D |
| 10:40.54 | Guerin | njan: there's my argument |
| 10:41.02 | Guerin | the bit you replied to was an insult, fyi |
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| 10:41.40 | kaner | goodluck: try iptraf-its easy to use |
| 10:41.56 | holycow | njan PerfDave, besides which, imo that's a very high and mighty position to be in. We aren't all born with a predisposition towards reading documentation. Some of us are kinaesthetic learners, some of us are intra/interpersonal learners.. it's actually extremely hard for some people to extrapolate information from documentation, especially when so much of it is so poorly written. <-- that's an interesting point |
| 10:41.59 | njan | PerfDave, imo there's simply far too much soapboxing in #debian, and the general atttiude towards newcomers is extremely poor. *shrug*.. irrespective of whether you're right or not - and I agree with you in principle - depending upon what your aims are, it makes sense to at least let people start learning slowly. |
| 10:42.33 | njan | PerfDave, you don't call a 12 year old a fucktard for failing english literature because (s)he couldn't read 19th century literary analysis of the shakespeare (s)he's studying in English class, do you? |
| 10:42.35 | opcodevoid | markybob i can config all this in /etc/resolv/conf? |
| 10:42.37 | Guerin | njan: post it to debian-user and start another channel... oh wait |
| 10:42.39 | holycow | however, that in totality is just an excuse, learning to learn is the same as learning to read, put the two together and you canlearn to understand and research online |
| 10:42.41 | njan | We *all* need explanation and coaxing at some point. |
| 10:42.47 | markybob | opcodevoid, what? no |
| 10:42.57 | markybob | opcodevoid, just do exactly what i did in a shell and it'll work |
| 10:43.07 | opcodevoid | Cheers:-) |
| 10:43.31 | holycow | njan, well to be fair, the member of this channel are fairly giving even within the tolerance you are requestiong |
| 10:43.35 | holycow | requesting even |
| 10:43.44 | Guerin | njan: you didn't study C19th commentary on shakespear at age 12. Not in any sane school. |
| 10:43.52 | PerfDave | njan: If somebody is prepared to *try* to help themselves, I'm happy to help them to do that. But if somebody comes along with a sense of expectation that it's somehow our duty to tell them exactly what they need to do, then they will just drain the resource of #debian without contributing anything, and that is far worse for the "Debian cause" IMHO than one person choosing not to use Debian. |
| 10:43.55 | holycow | they do infact go out of their way to point out nuances and nudge people in a different direction |
| 10:44.12 | booyah | I studied middle english in 7th grade |
| 10:44.13 | njan | Guerin, speak for yourself, I went to a good school. |
| 10:44.13 | holycow | but learning to learn is a universal skill, everyone must acquire it and use it |
| 10:44.16 | MikeH | hrm |
| 10:44.17 | PerfDave | njan: If a 12 year old were reading Shakespeare, and wanted help understanding it, I'd be happy to help them. |
| 10:44.19 | booyah | that's before shakespeare |
| 10:44.25 | MikeH | PerfDave: should the nv driver work with my 6800GT? |
| 10:44.27 | Guerin | njan: hah |
| 10:44.32 | doleyb | wan that april with the shoreth shota |
| 10:44.33 | booyah | i hated it |
| 10:44.46 | holycow | njan, hehe :) |
| 10:44.53 | booyah | practically had to get my mommy to read the assigned readings to me every night |
| 10:44.57 | njan | PerfDave, I think you're reading more into what he said, though. I don't think he *expected* anything. I think he was hoping for help. |
| 10:45.05 | holycow | njan, what you describe is really nothing more than a typical response we get here |
| 10:45.14 | njan | holycow, I know. It's the typical response I object to. |
| 10:45.26 | doleyb | pritchen hen natcture en her corages, then longen fulk to gone on pelgremages. |
| 10:45.36 | holycow | it mostly comes from individuals that are used to the microsoft world and the idea that someone else will feed them the knowledge |
| 10:45.39 | njan | holycow, like I said, #debian has far, far, far too much soapboxing, and a terrible attitude towards newcomers. Which is sad, because the reason I've been using debian for almost a decade is the community. |
| 10:45.46 | holycow | because they are the CUSTOMER and the CUSTOMER is always right |
| 10:45.53 | holycow | even if 100% of their software is warez |
| 10:46.07 | holycow | its more a cultural shock than anything imho |
| 10:46.21 | MobyTurbo | njan: would you like some cheese with that whine? |
| 10:46.23 | holycow | they don't really understand at first that with linux, they aren't a customer at all |
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| 10:46.44 | njan | MobyTurbo, this is exactly my point. Three people have so far joined in the conversation I'm having with PerfDave, and your 'joining in' has in each and every case been an insult |
| 10:46.49 | holycow | njan, no, soapboxing at all here, with except of our few ascerbic members |
| 10:46.50 | PerfDave | njan: I don't think I'm reading too much into what was said. My experience is that somebody who (a) wants walking through (b) in privmsg and (c) won't read the Installation Manual is not going to be worth my time to help, as a volunteer. |
| 10:46.59 | holycow | what there is a lot of teatching people how to learn |
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| 10:47.01 | Seadog | meh, people have tried but can |
| 10:47.05 | holycow | thats not soapboxing, thats good coaching |
| 10:47.08 | Seadog | t help in #kanoitx |
| 10:47.10 | njan | MobyTurbo, you're not interested in *discussing* a well-worded objection to the way #debian works, you just see me as another outsider and insult me, and maybe then start talking to me. |
| 10:47.17 | Seadog | anyone here help me get bluetooth set up? |
| 10:47.23 | PerfDave | MikeH: I would expect so. |
| 10:47.24 | MobyTurbo | njan: you're in a public channel, so stop complaining about people joining your special conversation. |
| 10:47.32 | holycow | remember, this isn't a CUSTOMER based society, this is a .... |
| 10:47.37 | directhex|work | Seadog, what bit of bluetooth? |
| 10:47.37 | holycow | whats the fugging word :) |
| 10:47.43 | p88 | Are there people with a CMI8378 card? |
| 10:47.44 | Seadog | Mouse and Keyboard |
| 10:47.46 | directhex|work | badger-based society. |
| 10:47.48 | Guerin | njan: you're not making any sort of well-worded objection that hasn't been raised, considered and weighed a hundred times before |
| 10:47.49 | queuetue | Is there a way to list all packages that are not from the current sources in sources.list? I have a conflict with an unofficial repository - I've removed the entry from sources, but I'm not completely sure what was installed from there, so I don't know what to reinstall to get rid of it's presence... |
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| 10:47.52 | directhex|work | !dachs njan |
| 10:47.53 | dpkg | njan: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 10:47.55 | visual_ | anyone knows how to get mouse working on linux quake2? |
| 10:47.56 | holycow | people are judged on accomplishment? attitude? attempt to learn? |
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| 10:47.58 | PerfDave | Seadog: Failure of #kanotix to support your non-Debian distribution does not make it #debian's responsibility. Try installing #debian. |
| 10:48.04 | njan | MobyTurbo, I never complained about it. I pointed out that your response to my conversation exemplifies the point I'm making *in* said conversation, and as your insult was obviously an objection, your objection has basically contradicted the point you wanted to make :) |
| 10:48.09 | holycow | theres no soapboxing, its just culture shock |
| 10:48.11 | visual_ | it uses svgalib config i think... |
| 10:48.14 | jm_ | queuetue: apt-cache policy should help you |
| 10:48.32 | Seadog | PerfDave I had it downloaded, all 4GB of it, then some pillock deleted it >_> |
| 10:48.39 | doleyb | visual_: does quake2 really use svgalib? I thought it was opengl, and in x11. |
| 10:48.47 | PerfDave | Seadog: You can download the 110Mb netinstall ISO :) |
| 10:48.51 | directhex|work | since when is debian 4gb? |
| 10:48.53 | njan | Guerin, raised? yes. Considered and weighed? I don't think so. Point taken, although you're preaching to the converted, because I've had this argument in #debian at least 5 times before ;) |
| 10:48.58 | PerfDave | !d-i Seadog |
| 10:48.59 | dpkg | Seadog, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:49.00 | Guerin | njan: you don't? |
| 10:49.07 | p88 | I don't know the iobase of my card can I find out? |
| 10:49.08 | valdyn_ | queuetue: "dselect" will show these packages as "Obsolete" |
| 10:49.14 | Guerin | njan: read debian-user archives |
| 10:49.22 | Seadog | Perf dunno if that would work, I have a linksys USB wirelessnetwork adapter, took me ages to set up |
| 10:49.27 | Seadog | know if it will work in Debian too? |
| 10:49.44 | njan | Guerin, I've been reading debian-user for a long time, on the balance of probability quite possibly longer than you have. |
| 10:49.47 | PerfDave | Seadog: Hardware support is a function of kernels, not distributions. |
| 10:49.48 | Guerin | njan: there is a qualitative difference between 'considered' and 'accepted' |
| 10:49.54 | njan | Guerin, of course. |
| 10:49.55 | Seadog | ok |
| 10:49.55 | booyah | omg, you all need to shutup, it's not like anyone of you could use this flame time to help out poor <insert name here> (whoever asked for help and i bet not one of you remembers their name) |
| 10:50.05 | Seadog | I have a spare 35GB harddrive partition |
| 10:50.12 | Seadog | Let me set it up lol |
| 10:50.26 | holycow | booyah, its a free chanel, knock your self out :) |
| 10:50.27 | njan | Guerin, consideration, however, implies a measure of equality, and - as you pointed out with your original choice of words - said ideas being weighed. I don't think that happens. |
| 10:50.37 | MobyTurbo | njan: stop giving your "I am a veteren" brags, you haven't been using Linux longer than everyone else here. |
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| 10:50.47 | Seadog | i386 is P4 yeah? |
| 10:50.57 | directhex|work | Seadog, p4 is i386, yes |
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| 10:50.58 | queuetue | valdyn_, can you give me a quick dselect primer so i can see where it markes them obsolete? |
| 10:50.58 | rixth | other, what ports, if any, do I need to setup for XDCC? |
| 10:51.04 | njan | MobyTurbo, I never said I had, stop reading things into what I'm saying that aren't there. |
| 10:51.05 | rixth | (to receive files) |
| 10:51.07 | Guerin | njan: very probably longer, since I tend not to. So do you not rememmber the attempted tarring and feathering of several regs, the resultant thread, and the creation of an alternate channel, which is useless? |
| 10:51.09 | PerfDave | Maybe people who want walking through installations should go to ##debian, after all that's the channel for "friendly" support ;) |
| 10:51.10 | directhex|work | Seadog, unless you have a cutting edge em64t p4, which is amd64 |
| 10:51.15 | holycow | booyah, btw, funny nick, i was using that a few weeks ago |
| 10:51.19 | goodluck | hi |
| 10:51.20 | Guerin | njan: hey, i remember you - you're the guy who types 120wpm... |
| 10:51.22 | kaner | Seadog: i think p4 is i686 |
| 10:51.25 | goodluck | what is the best way to find out if i'm getting DDOS? |
| 10:51.28 | PerfDave | goodluck: Ooh baby, tar me and feather me :) |
| 10:51.32 | njan | Guerin, ;) |
| 10:51.34 | goodluck | because my download speed is slow!! |
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| 10:51.48 | Ancillius | hi, since i upgraded from 2.6.9 to 2.6.11.5, my touchpad does not support tapping anymore (rebooting with 2.6.9 it works). Anyone an idea for that? |
| 10:51.57 | PerfDave | goodluck: Run tcpdump / iftop / ethereal / etherape on your external interface? |
| 10:51.59 | booyah | holycow: haha nice, I can see how your current nick is synonymous with mine <3 |
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| 10:52.01 | Guerin | Ancillius: synaptics driver? |
| 10:52.03 | Kzimm | hi |
| 10:52.04 | directhex|work | Ancillius, you need to compile a Synaptics driver |
| 10:52.12 | Seadog | ok downloading 106MB |
| 10:52.23 | holycow | meritocracy! |
| 10:52.24 | Seadog | My download speed is like 4* faster in Linux |
| 10:52.24 | Ancillius | Guerin: as well as standard ps2 |
| 10:52.26 | holycow | thats the word! |
| 10:52.27 | holycow | haha |
| 10:52.29 | Kzimm | is there a command to make all package up to date ? and is it safe ? |
| 10:52.35 | goodluck | perfdave i did that!! |
| 10:52.35 | PerfDave | !faq Kzimm |
| 10:52.36 | dpkg | Kzimm: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 10:52.41 | Guerin | Ancillius: see directhex|work's advice |
| 10:52.41 | MikeH | PerfDave: ok, i have nv modules done, how do i go about setting up the config? |
| 10:52.42 | goodluck | perfdave i'm getting alot of traffic.. |
| 10:52.48 | PerfDave | MikeH: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 10:52.53 | holycow | yeah mostly its a cultural understading by those that come from a CUSTOMER based culture to a MERITOCRACY based culture |
| 10:52.54 | Guerin | ok |
| 10:53.01 | Guerin | off I go to make dinner |
| 10:53.02 | holycow | there we go, that's what i wanted to say |
| 10:53.03 | holycow | *sigh* |
| 10:53.04 | Kzimm | ty |
| 10:53.11 | PerfDave | MikeH: If you're done with module-assistant, you should just need to "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 10:53.18 | holycow | misunderstanding even |
| 10:53.20 | Guerin | and then terrorise the world some more on my shiny new 100 megabit full-dup internet connection :) |
| 10:53.24 | markybob | Guerin, btw, i'm still compiling ;) |
| 10:53.31 | valdyn_ | queuetue: run "dselect" - select "Select" |
| 10:53.39 | Guerin | markybob: hah, on an amd64 4000+? |
| 10:53.42 | PerfDave | goodluck: Well, if you're seeing lots of traffic you don't expect, particularly pings or port probes, from multiple sources, then you're being DDOSed. |
| 10:53.43 | Ancillius | directhex|work: yeah, already installed and working, but no tapping. (i already played around with the MaxTapTime, FingerMax and so on) |
| 10:53.45 | markybob | Guerin, yeah. i'm shocked, too. |
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| 10:53.51 | Guerin | markybob: pheer |
| 10:53.51 | queuetue | valdyn_, I see only "up to date" and "available" sections... |
| 10:53.56 | booyah | meritocracy might as well be socialism |
| 10:53.59 | valdyn_ | queuetue: text appears - hit space , scroll down with cursor keys |
| 10:54.01 | MikeH | PerfDave: should there be an nvidia module? because its not there :( |
| 10:54.13 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: that's one fast connection, does apt-get dist-upgrade finish before you type it in? |
| 10:54.20 | holycow | booyah, it's closer to anarchy more than socialism |
| 10:54.22 | PerfDave | MikeH: There should. If there isn't, then something has gone wrong. |
| 10:54.30 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: haven't tried it yet, but my isp has a debian mirror :) |
| 10:54.41 | njan | Based on my experience with this and other communities which attract newcomers like flies to shit, my considered and weighed opinion is that newcomers should at the least have one chance to amend their attitude, and that chance should be administered in a humane manner, not by act of bot or flame. If after being politely told that they're being an idiot, flame away. But imo, that first chance is quite important. |
| 10:54.47 | valdyn_ | queuetue: you may have to update in dselect first, but you may also just not have obsolete packages, i cant know |
| 10:54.48 | MikeH | PerfDave: i did the module-assistant method..... |
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| 10:55.03 | holycow | njan, no one disagrees with that |
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| 10:55.20 | queuetue | valdyn_, Is there just a way to list which repository packages came from? |
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| 10:55.26 | holycow | sometimes the flamee is an ass, but they are generally known to be that |
| 10:55.36 | njan | holycow, in principle, perhaps not. The practice is another thing entirely.. I think people here underestimate how humiliating a rude response or one of those stupid bot triggers is for a newcomer. |
| 10:55.39 | MobyTurbo | njan: who's soapboxing? It looks like you're the one here doing that. |
| 10:55.41 | holycow | mostly it's some punk comming in here with an attitude that gets flamed tho |
| 10:55.44 | booyah | my alarm is going to go off in 2 hours |
| 10:55.45 | PerfDave | MikeH: Try doing it again, and see if you get any errors or warnings you didn't spot the first time. |
| 10:56.03 | holycow | njan, no they don't we were all noobs here once |
| 10:56.06 | PerfDave | MikeH: Does "lsmod | grep ^nvidia" help? |
| 10:56.14 | Ancillius | Guerin: i have already installed the xfree-driver-synaptics and loaded it, works except for tapping. And I played around with the adjustment variables (MaxTapTime, FingerHigh FingerLow etc...) |
| 10:56.15 | MikeH | aah nvm PerfDave forgot nvidia-glx |
| 10:56.16 | valdyn_ | queuetue: i dont know |
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| 10:56.21 | holycow | hell i remember having a low down with mwilson and some oder dude for weeks at a time :) |
| 10:56.22 | PerfDave | MikeH: Whoops! :) |
| 10:56.22 | Coke | njan: weren't all #debian dwellers ocne newbies? |
| 10:56.27 | njan | MobyTurbo, soapboxing implies unidirectional communication, and this isn't that. If you have something intelligent to say, say it. If you object to this being discussed, say so, and maybe we'll take it somewhere else. If you just want to be insulting, then I'll just ignore you. |
| 10:56.47 | njan | Coke, holycow, of course. But we were all kids once; that doesn't make everyone a good parent. |
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| 10:56.53 | Lumien | Hello |
| 10:57.03 | MikeH | can someone do 256*1024 for me please :) |
| 10:57.05 | holycow | njan, we do have our share of rude people, i sometimes get tired of answering a question that could easily have been googled yah |
| 10:57.10 | Coke | njan: no, but it contradicts the fact that newbies would recent #debian |
| 10:57.11 | Lumien | I just installed debian sarge, wanting to use it as a webserver with apache2, mysql and php |
| 10:57.15 | holycow | njan, haha good point |
| 10:57.30 | PerfDave | Lumien: On an Internet-facing webserver? |
| 10:57.32 | holycow | so what you want me to say is yes, as a member of this community i've been an ass to a noob |
| 10:57.33 | holycow | its true |
| 10:57.35 | njan | Coke, sorry, I'm not quite sure exactly what you were trying to say there :P |
| 10:57.38 | Lumien | I used apt-get install apache2, libapache-mod-php4, mysql-server and php4-mysql |
| 10:57.43 | holycow | but i've also helped too |
| 10:57.43 | Coke | holycow: no, it was not a good point since it isn't relevant to the statement made by njan |
| 10:57.54 | MikeH | PerfDave: ok, one last question i think, what mouse device will i find my usb mouse on? |
| 10:57.57 | Lumien | when I try to load a php page it wants to save it as a file |
| 10:58.04 | Lumien | is there something else that I need? |
| 10:58.05 | directhex|work | !devinputmice |
| 10:58.05 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 10:58.16 | MikeH | thanks directhex|work |
| 10:58.19 | Lumien | PerfDave: Yes |
| 10:58.24 | Coke | njan: you stated that #debian is so newbie unfriendly that newbies decide not to stay here for long. our counter argument was that "hey, we're still here and we used to be newbies" |
| 10:58.26 | njan | holycow, I've been a real twat to plenty of noobs. But I've also helped a lot of them out, and in my experience, giving noobs a *good* chance to talk to someone polite and helpful, more than 50% of the time a) solves the problem, and b) draws them closer to being a productive community member. |
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| 10:58.34 | PerfDave | Lumien: You are aware that Sarge doesn't yet have security updates, yes? |
| 10:58.39 | booyah | well, njan's point is very valid, and the anal responses from "experts" with brush off responses is quite harsh towards newcomers, if you sugar coated your shit you could attract more people to the community thus making it a more prosperous community in the long run and everybody knows that it's just time before MS rules the world. |
| 10:58.43 | holycow | njan, *nod* yup |
| 10:58.45 | Coke | njan: I think it depends on how the newb opens. |
| 10:58.56 | markybob | Lumien, activate the php4 module (uncomment) in the apache config. restart apache. |
| 10:59.06 | holycow | Coke, *nod* those are all equally plausible variables |
| 10:59.13 | njan | holycow, I'm only interested in furthering the F/OSS community in general, and to that end, if I can attract noobs and help them convert and see the light, I'll happily spend time doing things I'd rather not do in order to accomplish that. |
| 10:59.16 | goodluck | anyone know what this mean when i do a dmesg. i'm getting alot of this error.. TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 195.98.230.29:33655/50000 shrinks window 55291562:55293022. Repaired. |
| 10:59.17 | goodluck | <goodluck> sending pkt_too_big (len[1492] pmtu[1480]) to self |
| 10:59.20 | Coke | H3llo!!11! why is Debian not r0x0r but sux0r??+? <-- how to react ? |
| 10:59.22 | njan | Coke, I don't. I don't think that has anything to do with it. |
| 10:59.37 | PerfDave | booyah: Untrained, volunteer support staff should not be expected to behave like paid support grunts. |
| 10:59.54 | holycow | njan, *nod* theres that too, i do think there is also burnout |
| 10:59.55 | njan | Coke, If you can see from someone's opening - as in the example you just gave - that they're *clearly* not interested in doing anything at all, fine. Ignore them. But in 95% of the case, they're salvageable. |
| 10:59.59 | holycow | as another variable |
| 11:00.10 | Coke | Or questions like "has anybody used cups?" |
| 11:00.12 | holycow | i'm actually afraid of sarge because of d-i |
| 11:00.25 | njan | holycow, of course there is. But no-one realises it, which is why there are wankers like me sitting here arguing with you all to try and get you to at least *think* about the opinions that everyone here takes for granted :) |
| 11:00.28 | holycow | it is going to be so easy to install sarge, that i have this idea that we will be flooded with noobs |
| 11:00.32 | PerfDave | njan: I don't think that many people on #debian have nothing better to do. We're all here making a sacrifice of our time. |
| 11:00.36 | holycow | that could wear people out |
| 11:00.36 | njan | holycow, those 'you's are figurative, btw, I'm not talking about you specifically :p |
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| 11:00.58 | opcodevoid | Cheers petemc,did the trick:-) |
| 11:01.04 | njan | PerfDave, I never said you did, and I'm constantly in awe of the time people invest into F/OSS. But I do think peoples motivations and attitudes change without them thinking about it. |
| 11:01.05 | booyah | that's my 2 cents |
| 11:01.05 | St0n3-C0l | How do I write an ISO image of Sarge ?? |
| 11:01.05 | booyah | :D |
| 11:01.07 | PerfDave | holycow: When Sarge releases, we undoubtedly will be. I'm hoping to have finished my little mini-install guide for setting up standard PCs as Debian desktops by then. |
| 11:01.13 | holycow | your just asking us to be a wee bit less prickish, am i getting this right? |
| 11:01.13 | holycow | haha |
| 11:01.16 | chealer | Lumien: yes, libapache2-mod-php4 (instead of libapache-mod-php4) |
| 11:01.20 | St0n3-C0l | on my cd-rw thru cdrecord ? |
| 11:01.22 | njan | holycow, basically :) |
| 11:01.25 | PerfDave | St0n3-C0l: In Linux, use k3b or something. |
| 11:01.27 | holycow | PerfDave, cool! |
| 11:01.49 | holycow | PerfDave, i spent a week explaining to some twat that was using redhat that debian was easier |
| 11:01.51 | PerfDave | holycow: I started doing it for a couple of friends, but they found d-i sufficiently easy that they didn't need help ;) |
| 11:01.55 | St0n3-C0l | PerfDave: I've used k3b but k3blibs is missing from the repos of Hoary |
| 11:01.55 | booyah | is there a date on Sarge's release? |
| 11:02.08 | njan | holycow, if I had my way, bots would be banned in this channel, and the only ! response would be !stopbeingawankerandifyouregoingtogivesupportjustfuckinggivesupport, but that's just me ;) |
| 11:02.08 | nevyn | heh |
| 11:02.09 | nevyn | booyah: wir |
| 11:02.10 | St0n3-C0l | booyah: Someone told me 2010 :P |
| 11:02.11 | holycow | it took him a week to clue in how to not to fuck up a d-i install (installing wrong kernel, other stuff you wouldn't believe) |
| 11:02.14 | goodluck | anyone know what this phrase mean in english term. "brush out" or "wash out" mean? its some discription. can someone tell me what it mean ? |
| 11:02.20 | PerfDave | St0n3-C0l: Then ask #ubuntu, since you're not running Debian. |
| 11:02.23 | Lumien | I am aware of the security updates, this is more for a test, really |
| 11:02.24 | holycow | when he finally got it tho, the 'aha' moment was worth it :) |
| 11:02.28 | Coke | njan: but as an example, take someone who says "hello, I can't connect to the internet, mozilla does not work"? |
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| 11:02.37 | St0n3-C0l | Ohh yeah |
| 11:02.39 | St0n3-C0l | lolz |
| 11:02.44 | MobyTurbo | !tell St0n3-C0l about ubuntu |
| 11:02.45 | holycow | njan, haha, well there was a debian-friendly for a while |
| 11:02.46 | MikeH | PerfDave: ok, sorry, im gunna bother you some more, you got any idea about 2 monitors? |
| 11:02.48 | Lumien | I can uncomment the php in apache2.conf? |
| 11:02.48 | holycow | no one showed up |
| 11:02.51 | holycow | what can i say? |
| 11:02.52 | sep | njan: when you have explained the same thing to the 5th guy asking in the same day you want the bots back |
| 11:02.56 | opcodevoid | Just one last question if i want to upgrade woody to sarge which as a total newb may not be the greatest idea do i just replace the link in apt-get from woody to sarge? |
| 11:02.58 | St0n3-C0l | MobyTurbo: You dun need to :P |
| 11:03.07 | PerfDave | Lumien: Look in /usr/share/doc/php* for instructions, IIRC. |
| 11:03.17 | directhex|work | opcodevoid, pretty much |
| 11:03.20 | holycow | maybe that chan should be fired up again when sarge releases, and all non registered members punted there for a period of 6 months? |
| 11:03.21 | holycow | hehe |
| 11:03.23 | directhex|work | !tell opcodevoid about woody->sarge |
| 11:03.27 | Coke | opcodevoid: edit your apt sources to use testing (or sarge) instead of stable (woody). |
| 11:03.33 | njan | sep, I never said they didn't have a place, but bashing people isn't what they're for, and it's what they're used for 85% of the time. They're all used for pet peeves that people see being argued about in channel. |
| 11:03.33 | Coke | opcodevoid: then do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:03.39 | chealer | Lumien: just install libapache2-mod-php4 (instead of libapache-mod-php4) |
| 11:03.41 | PerfDave | holycow: There's ##debian, which is a semi-official "friendly" Debian channel. |
| 11:03.45 | opcodevoid | Cheers coke,i fixed debian network btw:-) |
| 11:03.50 | MobyTurbo | !nickometer St0n3-C0l |
| 11:03.50 | dpkg | 'St0n3-C0l' is 99.9126% lame, mobyturbo |
| 11:03.55 | Coke | opcodevoid: excellent. what was the problem then? |
| 11:03.56 | njan | sep, in fact, 50% of the time, people using the bots don't even *READ* the things they're responding to. I've been botted by channel regulars in here at least a dozen times who hadn't even bothered reading what I said. |
| 11:04.02 | directhex|work | use aptitude for woody->sarge, not apt-get |
| 11:04.15 | opcodevoid | I needed to config eth0 |
| 11:04.18 | njan | That !nickometer is a perfect example, really. It displays a terrible attitude on the part of the person using it, imo. |
| 11:04.20 | holycow | PerfDave, thats what i mean, debian-friendly dissapeared because #debian is friendly enough when our local bozos are not around |
| 11:04.31 | sep | njan: well aggreed that the !loose and !kill are redundant, but in 80% of the time that google can't answer dpkg knows and i dont actualy have to ask the channel even |
| 11:04.39 | MobyTurbo | njan: it seems like you have no sense of humor. |
| 11:04.43 | PerfDave | holycow: ##debian has about 6 people in, last I heard. And half of them were there for curiousity :) |
| 11:04.43 | Coke | opcodevoid: so you did the second step in my answer :) |
| 11:04.46 | njan | sep, in which case, good for you, you use the bot well. Most people don't :) |
| 11:04.56 | holycow | oh ##debian? |
| 11:04.59 | opcodevoid | btw is sarge stable as in easy to work with for a newb without headaches? |
| 11:05.02 | njan | MobyTurbo, far from it. I just think that ritual humiliation isn't appropriate for a support channel. |
| 11:05.04 | directhex|work | opcodevoid, yes. |
| 11:05.06 | Seadog | DO I need to get all of my partitions ready before starting the Debian installer? |
| 11:05.19 | directhex|work | opcodevoid, especially if you install it from scratch with the lovely sarge installer |
| 11:05.21 | Seadog | 512MB swap etc? |
| 11:05.25 | Coke | njan: I honestly feel that most #debian regulars get more satisfaction from the thankful blessings of new users than they do from taunting them. |
| 11:05.27 | MobyTurbo | !nickometer MobyTurbo |
| 11:05.27 | PerfDave | opcodevoid: Sarge has a few bugs, and no security updates, but it's pretty good by and large, certainly better than most other distros. |
| 11:05.31 | directhex|work | Seadog, why would you need to do that? |
| 11:05.34 | RjY | No it'll ask you about partitioning when you run it, pretty early on in the process |
| 11:05.42 | Seadog | OK |
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| 11:05.47 | njan | MobyTurbo, unless your goal is different from mine. My goal is to further the F/OSS community, and I think one fantastic way of doing that is helping people join the F/OSS world. What's your goal? |
| 11:05.47 | cafuego | Seadog: the installer will guide you to make partitions if you want. |
| 11:05.47 | Seadog | thanks |
| 11:05.49 | valdyn_ | Seadog: you can partition from within d-i |
| 11:05.54 | Seadog | K cool |
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| 11:06.05 | MobyTurbo | njan: I help people plenty here. |
| 11:06.07 | opcodevoid | Coke i did the following suggested by petemc: eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up && route add default gateway 192.168.0.1 && echo "nameserver 192.168.0.1. |
| 11:06.18 | PerfDave | It's true, being thanked by a newb you've just spend time helping gives me a semi. |
| 11:06.19 | MikeH | erm |
| 11:06.23 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Liar. All you do is troll and abose poor directhex. |
| 11:06.25 | MikeH | thats wrong opcodevoid |
| 11:06.25 | sep | njan: i guess the ritual abuse is an attemth to push newbs onto other distros, debian users should be resilliant :) |
| 11:06.31 | directhex|work | :'( |
| 11:06.33 | njan | Coke, you're probably right. But this is a channel of almost 750 people, and I'm making more noise than about 740 of them at the moment :) |
| 11:06.35 | opcodevoid | lol |
| 11:06.39 | Coke | opcodevoid: that should be done automatically when you start the network. |
| 11:06.41 | cafuego | directhex|work: No, you, directhex. |
| 11:06.47 | opcodevoid | Never did though. |
| 11:06.53 | MikeH | you want your ip to be 192.168.0.2 or something |
| 11:06.56 | njan | sep, you're probably more right than you realise on that point :p |
| 11:07.03 | RjY | Oh man it'd be awful if all 750 people spoke at once... |
| 11:07.04 | Coke | opcodevoid: well, you need to fix it so it does, otherwise you'll have to do it manually every time. |
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| 11:07.11 | njan | RjY, damn right. :) |
| 11:07.32 | Coke | opcodevoid: make sure the specs in /etc/network/interfaces have the same data as you just described. |
| 11:07.37 | holycow | doh! |
| 11:07.42 | booyah | awww shit, the sun is rising |
| 11:07.48 | booyah | im going to bed |
| 11:07.50 | booyah | gn |
| 11:07.51 | visual_ | mkay, i got prob. i got that magic-cookie-1 key error, eg. i cant run graphical apps as root |
| 11:07.52 | Coke | opcodevoid: and it seems your DHCP is broken because normally a DHCP would set the gw, ns and route. |
| 11:07.55 | visual_ | and i forgot how to fix it |
| 11:07.58 | visual_ | anyone help me out? |
| 11:08.00 | opcodevoid | Lets look, |
| 11:08.01 | Coke | opcodevoid: or, the dhcp won't set the route, but the network init will |
| 11:08.02 | PerfDave | visual_: /msg dpkg sux |
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| 11:08.20 | sep | njan: well as i see it, if someone goes crying to ubunto becouse they was told off with a RTFM in here then i think they are better of with ubunto and we are better off without them,. i dont see debian as a desktop os primary and am not realy that worried about xorg :) |
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| 11:08.23 | MikeH | anyone know if theres a config tool that will alow me to setup dual monitors? |
| 11:08.27 | MikeH | oops |
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| 11:08.39 | PerfDave | Maybe one of the bots should NOTICE people onjoin, saying "There are some real dicks in here, caveat IRCor" ;) |
| 11:08.40 | MikeH | stupid left key :| |
| 11:08.43 | visual_ | PerfDave: thanks, it sux |
| 11:08.45 | nevyn | MikeH: vi |
| 11:08.48 | njan | sep, #ubuntu will tell you to rtfm too. The difference is, #ubuntu is usually polite. |
| 11:08.51 | visual_ | PerfDave: :P |
| 11:08.56 | queuetue | MikeH, What kind of tool? I just use emacs. :) |
| 11:08.59 | MikeH | nevyn: thats possibly the most arrogant answer i've ever had :| |
| 11:09.00 | directhex|work | MikeH, with the nvidia drivers? read the documentation on nvidia.com, it should help explain how to use twinview |
| 11:09.00 | Coke | njan: RTFM!!! please. |
| 11:09.02 | njan | sep, #debian is *sometimes* polite, and sometimes not. |
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| 11:09.07 | holycow | sep, heh, i happen to think debian is the best desktop os onthe planet mostly because of apt |
| 11:09.11 | debian | MikeH: most of us use vi yes |
| 11:09.19 | goron | If I add something(i.e. new PATH) to /etc/profile, how can I get as a normal user, a shell with that variable in the fastest possible way? |
| 11:09.19 | njan | holycow, <3 portage :p |
| 11:09.22 | PerfDave | sep: Yeah, and about ten minutes later they'll be back in #debian asking questions about their Ubuntu installation, because #ubuntu is full of polite, well-meaning, but *clueless* people. |
| 11:09.22 | nevyn | MikeH: seriously editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 isn't that hard. |
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| 11:09.26 | holycow | njan, traitor |
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| 11:09.29 | MikeH | directhex|work: bit hard in console, and a big pain in the ass, id be here all day! |
| 11:09.30 | PerfDave | goron: Log out, then log back in. |
| 11:09.30 | holycow | -_- |
| 11:09.45 | sep | MikeH: you want 1 big screen use xinerama, if you want 2 separate (like i do) just have 2 entries in your conf file and sew it dogether in the server layaout |
| 11:09.48 | valdyn_ | queuetue: so dselect failed to show your "obsolete" packages? |
| 11:09.48 | njan | PerfDave, and then no doubt everyone in #debian will hit them with the !werefusetotouchanythingnotdebian response, and I'll tell you all you're being rude. Again. |
| 11:09.50 | directhex|work | MikeH, i can think of at least five console-based web browsers |
| 11:09.51 | Seadog | Uhh just a thought but if I already have Grub installed, will it just add itself? |
| 11:09.52 | nevyn | oh with nvidia driver.. eww... |
| 11:09.58 | Coke | MikeH: I use nano for those simple configs. way easier than vi unless you're already familiar with it. |
| 11:10.01 | sep | MikeH: and there are several sites for it you should be able to find a few in google |
| 11:10.06 | Lumien | now PHP works, thanks =) |
| 11:10.07 | njan | holycow, and proud of it :p |
| 11:10.10 | goron | PerfDave: Thus completely stopping my Xsession and stuff. Isn't that a bit overkill? |
| 11:10.12 | MikeH | the problem is |
| 11:10.14 | PerfDave | njan: What the fuck is rude about not helping people with non-Debian distros on #debian? That's just retarded! |
| 11:10.16 | Lumien | I have another problem now however, lol |
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| 11:10.21 | MikeH | i have to switch between consoles writing out 5 letters at a time |
| 11:10.25 | MikeH | because i cant copy and paste |
| 11:10.27 | MikeH | and for a config |
| 11:10.30 | PerfDave | goron: Fire up an xterm, that'll give you a new login shell. |
| 11:10.31 | Lumien | when I try to make a sql query to mysql it says the function is undefined |
| 11:10.32 | MikeH | *x config |
| 11:10.33 | Seadog | Uhh just a thought but if I already have Grub installed, will it just add itself? |
| 11:10.34 | njan | PerfDave, I think the attitude #debian people have re: debian-based-distros is terrible, but that's another argument entirely. |
| 11:10.35 | MikeH | that would be murder |
| 11:10.36 | valdyn_ | queuetue: it wont show packages as "obsolete" for which only an older version is available. just packages that are no longer available |
| 11:10.44 | Lumien | most solutions say its because of php4-mysql package |
| 11:10.48 | Lumien | but I have that installed |
| 11:10.51 | Coke | MikeH: nvidia? |
| 11:10.51 | Lumien | is there anything else? =/ |
| 11:10.54 | PerfDave | njan: I think you're completely out of order to suggest that we should support non-Debian distros here. |
| 11:10.56 | MikeH | Coke: yup |
| 11:11.00 | njan | PerfDave, I never said you should. |
| 11:11.08 | njan | PerfDave, I just said I thought the attitude surrounding it was terrible. |
| 11:11.09 | directhex|work | njan, have YOU ever wasted an hour helping someone with a problem, not understanding why it wasn't working, then them mentionning after an hour 'oh, um, i'm using knoppix, does that matter'? |
| 11:11.10 | Coke | MikeH: debian package or nvidia installer? |
| 11:11.11 | PerfDave | MikeH: You can copy and paste in the console with screen, as I said. |
| 11:11.17 | njan | directhex, yes. More than once. |
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| 11:11.22 | goron | PerfDave: Tried that, that's a false statement. |
| 11:11.27 | nevyn | PerfDave: or with gpm |
| 11:11.34 | MobyTurbo | njan: there are over 700 people on #debian already, do we really need to have people who belong on other channels asking irrelevant questions too? |
| 11:11.37 | nevyn | goron: it works. |
| 11:11.39 | MikeH | Coke: i used the module-assistant auto-install nvidia thing, then got nvidia-glx |
| 11:11.44 | sep | MikeH: you can also cut and paste in vi |
| 11:11.58 | MikeH | sep: not from elinks tho |
| 11:12.03 | goron | nevyn: I do have Debian ;), but it doesn't work somehow. |
| 11:12.14 | chealer | Lumien: you tried restarting Apache? |
| 11:12.14 | PerfDave | njan: "We don't support your non-Debian distro, go to the relevant channel for it" is "terrible"? |
| 11:12.26 | njan | MobyTurbo, read what I said to PerfDave. "I never said you should".. "I just said I thought the attitude surrounding it was terrible" |
| 11:12.26 | nevyn | goron: gpm works screen can cut and paste... but it's non-obvious |
| 11:12.31 | Coke | MikeH: ok. there should be a /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx or similar, I don't know because I never used the debian packages, but in that documentation is the manual for X options for the nvidia driver. It will tell you exactly how to setup multiple displays for the card. |
| 11:12.44 | njan | PerfDave, if that's your reply, cool. I've seen many more rude responses than that in here to people asking for ubuntu support. *shrug* |
| 11:12.49 | PerfDave | njan: 12:02 < PerfDave> St0n3-C0l: Then ask #ubuntu, since you're not running Debian. |
| 11:12.50 | MobyTurbo | njan: the !debian based message is *not* terrible, as you claimed. |
| 11:12.54 | XTR | Gah. Which dir is documentation stored in again? |
| 11:12.59 | nevyn | goron: ctrl-A ? tells you how in screen |
| 11:13.01 | PerfDave | njan: There's an example for you, just ten minutes old ;) |
| 11:13.03 | nevyn | XTR: /usr/share/doc |
| 11:13.18 | njan | PerfDave, like I said, cool. I applaud your politeness. If only we were all like you ;) |
| 11:13.18 | valdyn_ | MikeH: for dual monitors you best read nvidias howto on www.nvidia.com |
| 11:13.22 | MikeH | Coke: could you help me with one quick thing, at the moment X shows on my second monitor, how can i get it to show on my primary monitor? |
| 11:13.34 | MikeH | Coke: so i can atleast use X to edit the config for dual monitors |
| 11:13.34 | Coke | MikeH: you _need_ to read that manual because it holds information in various twin-modes and tv out formats. |
| 11:13.36 | goron | nevyn: I have no idea what gpm is, although I know what screen is, I don't use it. I don't understand you. |
| 11:13.38 | MobyTurbo | !aolify njan |
| 11:13.40 | PerfDave | njan: And the "ubuntu" bot factoid says basically the same thing. |
| 11:13.41 | njan | MobyTurbo, for about the third time, you're reading into what I've said a message which isn't there. |
| 11:13.51 | XTR | Thanks. |
| 11:13.53 | njan | PerfDave, it's all about usage ;) |
| 11:14.10 | nevyn | goron: you said that PerfDave's statement that screen can copy and paste was untrue.. it is true CTRL-A ? tells you how |
| 11:14.14 | p88 | Does anyone know of a good mp3 tagger which works with cddb? |
| 11:14.14 | nevyn | inside screen. |
| 11:14.19 | Lumien | chealer: Yeah, I tried restarting it |
| 11:14.20 | Lumien | =/ |
| 11:14.29 | p88 | This does not include JuK |
| 11:14.35 | valdyn_ | MikeH: that it displays by default on the wrong display is as far as i can tell a bug in nbvidias driver, cant you just switch the plugs into your card? |
| 11:14.36 | Coke | MikeH: I don't know, that has never happened to me. It always uses the VGA-out first. |
| 11:14.44 | chealer | Lumien: so look at php.ini for something about mysql (it will most likely be commented) |
| 11:14.47 | PerfDave | p88: Do you want to tag mp3 files from filenames, or rip CDs? |
| 11:14.54 | Lumien | ok, I will, thanks! |
| 11:14.58 | Coke | MikeH: but I'm pretty sure that documentation I was talking about will tell you |
| 11:15.00 | goron | nevyn: I never said that. |
| 11:15.08 | njan | PerfDave, MobyTurbo, if I've at least made you think about your attitudes, at least I've accomplished something.. *sprouts wings and flies away* ;) |
| 11:15.14 | p88 | PerfDave: I have the filename and parts of the ID3 tag and I want a program to complete it |
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| 11:15.23 | PerfDave | njan: Entertainingly, despite how unfriendly we are, not a day goes by without at least one Ubuntu user being converted to Debian proper by the inability of #ubuntu to support their distro. |
| 11:15.31 | p88 | PerfDave: I already have the mp3s and am not ripping cds |
| 11:15.33 | PerfDave | njan: I always think about my attitude, I don't need your help in doing so. |
| 11:15.35 | goron | nevyn: I was communicating with PerfDave about something else. |
| 11:15.38 | PerfDave | p88: Hmm, not sure then. |
| 11:15.40 | njan | PerfDave, yeah, that's quite a serious problem, ubuntu's community is too small. |
| 11:15.41 | opcodevoid | \connect irc.metawire.org |
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| 11:15.49 | Kzimm | what is ICE-unix in /tmp please ? |
| 11:15.55 | njan | PerfDave, have you tried getting redhat or mandrake support on freenode? or even worse, suse? That's so much fun :) |
| 11:15.59 | opcodevoid | \quit |
| 11:16.01 | directhex|work | Kzimm, something kdeish i think |
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| 11:16.09 | PerfDave | njan: It's not *my* problem. I'm quite happy for people to switch to a proper distro instead of Ubuntu ;) |
| 11:16.09 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 11:16.12 | Kzimm | i havent kde |
| 11:16.15 | directhex|work | there is no redhat support on freenode |
| 11:16.18 | nevyn | goron: ok my bad. |
| 11:16.26 | PerfDave | Kzimm: Use lsof to see what process has it open? |
| 11:16.27 | njan | PerfDave, and I'm quite happy to be converting companies to using ubuntu on their desktops :) |
| 11:16.36 | Coke | PerfDave: I'm not. As a matter of fact, sometimes when users come here asking "how do I configure X" I just tell them to use Mandrake. |
| 11:16.42 | PerfDave | njan: I'm converting them to using Debian :) |
| 11:16.57 | njan | PerfDave, I'll bet you I've taken more debian users to ubuntu than you have ubuntu to debian :p |
| 11:17.13 | njan | it's only an apt-get dist-upgrade away ;) |
| 11:17.13 | ralf | Hola a todos!!! |
| 11:17.15 | PerfDave | njan: Funny, I thought you wanted to advance the cause of F/OSS :) |
| 11:17.19 | Kzimm | PerfDave: hum dunno lsof i ll check |
| 11:17.34 | Coke | PerfDave: my plan is this; they'll learn the basics using Mandrake while getting out of our hair. Then, when they become power users, they will try Debian again at some point and make the switch for good. |
| 11:17.34 | PerfDave | Anyway, I'm off for a shower, shit and shav. |
| 11:17.37 | PerfDave | Even shave. |
| 11:17.37 | MobyTurbo | njan: dist-upgrading to ubuntu repositories from Debian is not safe. |
| 11:17.38 | njan | PerfDave, yeah, as denoted by the ':p', I was kidding. tbh, I don't care what distro anyone uses. As long as it doesn't use RPMs. |
| 11:17.40 | ^rob^ | does anyone has installed a lexmark z600 driver on Debian? -- i did a tutorial from web with cups - it seems ok - printer does not print - and when cups start say: "driver loaded but no device found" -- i have kern 2.6.8.2-686 |
| 11:18.00 | njan | 0:) |
| 11:18.02 | PerfDave | njan: I recommend people use Debian because of the helpful, mostly friendly support community ;) |
| 11:18.10 | njan | PerfDave, don't get me started :p |
| 11:18.10 | PerfDave | Oh, and KDE ;) |
| 11:18.19 | goron | Is there anyway I can tell Bash to read /etc/profile instead of logging in and out? |
| 11:18.30 | njan | euch. the letter K is Krap. G is Good. :) |
| 11:18.32 | PerfDave | goron: source /etc/profile |
| 11:18.46 | njan | PerfDave, tried kubuntu? I'm sure you'd like it ;p |
| 11:18.54 | p88 | PerfDave: I found one: cantus |
| 11:19.05 | PerfDave | njan: Why would I want to use a minority fork of a minority fork of a real distro? :) |
| 11:19.19 | Coke | ^rob^: have you read any of the many manuals and howto's on cups? |
| 11:19.30 | PerfDave | njan: *shrug* We set up a bunch of trial Debian desktops, half with Gnome and half with KDE. The Gnome users wanted to go back to Windows, the KDE ones wanted to stay with Linux. |
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| 11:19.33 | ^rob^ | i did |
| 11:19.50 | ^rob^ | i did a install from cups online manual |
| 11:20.01 | njan | PerfDave, same reason you're using a cheap scandanavian clone of a minority fork of a minority fork of a minority fork of a minority fork of some kind of unix, probably :p |
| 11:20.02 | debian | PerfDave: so true |
| 11:20.05 | Coke | ^rob^: googled on the error mesasge? |
| 11:20.10 | valdyn_ | ^rob^: please try "cat /dev/lp0" |
| 11:20.14 | ^rob^ | 1 sec |
| 11:20.26 | PerfDave | Hell, it was KDE that got me to switch to Linux full time. |
| 11:20.30 | ^rob^ | twhy lp0 it's on usb |
| 11:20.41 | valdyn_ | ^rob^: ops, nm then |
| 11:20.46 | Coke | PerfDave: ??? |
| 11:21.01 | MobyTurbo | njan: if you think that Ubuntu and #ubuntu are so much better than Debian and #debian then go there instead of whining. |
| 11:21.03 | ^rob^ | oh |
| 11:21.08 | ^rob^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.08 | ^rob^ | cat: /dev/usb/lp0: Permission denied |
| 11:21.12 | ^rob^ | :) |
| 11:21.12 | njan | MobyTurbo, /whois me and you'd know that I *am* there. |
| 11:21.15 | valdyn_ | ^rob^: cat whatever printer device you use then, i dont know usb printers unfortunately |
| 11:21.18 | ^rob^ | lol |
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| 11:21.33 | MobyTurbo | njan: then /part here, if things are so bad. |
| 11:21.36 | valdyn_ | ^rob^: or "lsusb" |
| 11:21.38 | Coke | ^rob^: now you know to check your entire setup before asking questions |
| 11:21.39 | njan | MobyTurbo, and in #adamantix too. And in #gentoo-uk. Sorry, no-one told me I had to be pigeonholed into using one linux distribution. |
| 11:21.57 | njan | MobyTurbo, they aren't. I wouldn't be trying to change #debian for what I consider to be the better if I didn't like debian. I'd just be wasting my time if I were just here arguing for the hell of it. |
| 11:22.00 | directhex|work | njan, you have to be pigeonholed into using one linux distribution. |
| 11:22.06 | thomas_adam | njan: What makes you think we care about Ubuntu? This is #debian. |
| 11:22.20 | valdyn_ | ^rob^: naturally as root |
| 11:22.24 | njan | thomas_adam, what makes you think I care about a stupid one liner you've added to a conversation I've been having for almost an hour? |
| 11:22.25 | chealer | njan: linux isn't a distribution...that's why there are distributions |
| 11:22.26 | Coke | There's a reason why people base many new distros on Debian and not Ubunutu |
| 11:22.40 | njan | directhex|work, why? |
| 11:22.53 | nevyn | look gnome's been hijacked by hci let's reduce functionality to the point where no serious user I know can deal with it. |
| 11:22.56 | ^rob^ | lsusb gives nothin - i changed rights to dev - brb - |
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| 11:23.01 | thomas_adam | Oh, so that's what trolls call it now? |
| 11:23.04 | nevyn | hell metacity doesn't even have window magnetism |
| 11:23.05 | MobyTurbo | njan: I'm not sure if the fact that you have been trolling #debian for an hour is something to brag about. |
| 11:23.09 | nevyn | the gnome file dialog is ... evil |
| 11:23.22 | valdyn_ | nevyn: so dont use it |
| 11:23.25 | directhex|work | i like the gnome file dialog |
| 11:23.28 | nevyn | you have to know magic incatations to type text in it. |
| 11:23.37 | ^rob^ | grr - nothing |
| 11:23.52 | Coke | nevyn: both gnome and kde are bloated pieces of crap. but to KDE's defence I must say that KDE-apps segfaults a lot less these days than the GNOME ones. :) |
| 11:24.01 | valdyn_ | ^rob^: absolutely *nothing* ? so load your usb driver |
| 11:24.08 | goron | PerfDave: This works, is Bash also a TCL interpreter? |
| 11:24.10 | valdyn_ | ^rob^: uname -r |
| 11:24.15 | ^rob^ | lsusb gived something now - |
| 11:24.19 | nevyn | Coke: I agree wholeheartedly. |
| 11:24.21 | ^rob^ | Bus 003 Device 003: ID 043d:0078 Lexmark International, Inc. |
| 11:24.22 | ^rob^ | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 11:24.22 | ^rob^ | Bus 002 Device 005: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port |
| 11:24.22 | ^rob^ | Bus 002 Device 004: ID 045e:0040 Microsoft Corp. Wheel Mouse Optical |
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| 11:24.23 | MobyTurbo | goron: no |
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| 11:24.42 | MobyTurbo | goron: tclsh (and wish for Tcl/Tk) is the TCL interpreter |
| 11:25.16 | goron | Well, it only works for one shell (the current shell). Although, it will do it's not *exactly* what I was looking for. Thank you all. |
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| 11:25.49 | ^rob^ | grr |
| 11:25.51 | ^rob^ | sorry |
| 11:25.56 | ^rob^ | ID 043d:0078 Lexmark International, Inc. |
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| 11:26.10 | sep | ^rob^: having a large clip is dangerous (tm) :) |
| 11:26.10 | valdyn_ | ^rob^: lsmod | grep usblp |
| 11:26.31 | PitchForkLinux | I have a quick question on a sarge installation regarding partitioning |
| 11:26.33 | ^rob^ | i have usblp and usbcore |
| 11:26.45 | ^rob^ | do i need usbprinter or something? |
| 11:27.08 | valdyn_ | ^rob^: no, you need to specify the proper device in cups |
| 11:27.09 | sep | PitchForkLinux: just ask |
| 11:27.42 | directhex|work | :| how does $redhat manage to be so BAD? |
| 11:28.02 | Coke | directhex|work: I don't know, but I somehow suspect that money does that to stuff in general. |
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| 11:28.12 | mateusz | Hi, I'm in a local network connected with 5 AP.. so my packets passes 5 AP before they reach gateway.. How to find out (traceroute) which AP are the first,second..etc ?? |
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| 11:28.34 | PitchForkLinux | I have 2 122gig sata drives, and 1 40 gig ide. I want the ide drive to be a fat32 partition (no prob here, but I want the 2 sata drives to be config'ed into raid 0. I was able to do this , but when I get ready to install, I don't know where to point the installer to to install onto the raid. |
| 11:28.39 | ^rob^ | cups say - the page has successfuly sent - but does not print at all |
| 11:28.41 | sep | mateusz: if all ap's do bridging then you cant do that with traceroute |
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| 11:29.11 | mateusz | sep: any solution then ? |
| 11:29.11 | Coke | PitchForkLinux: it will tell you when |
| 11:29.22 | jm_ | PitchForkLinux: did you read installation manual? |
| 11:29.22 | valdyn_ | ^rob^: ok, now look into /var/log/cups/error_log, and pay special attention if you find a line with "HINT:" in it |
| 11:29.47 | ^rob^ | i changed the uri to z600:/dev/usb/lp0 instead usb:/dev/usb/lp0 - no change |
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| 11:30.01 | ^rob^ | ok |
| 11:30.06 | mateusz | sep: do they lower ttl ? |
| 11:30.15 | Kzimm | is nessus really great util ? |
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| 11:30.22 | spiekey | howdy! |
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| 11:30.50 | valdyn_ | Kzimm: yea |
| 11:30.55 | ^rob^ | Hint: Do you have ESP Ghostscript ??? |
| 11:31.00 | sep | now that's what happens when you go thru 5 ap's :) |
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| 11:31.10 | spiekey | is there a nice way of taking the debian kernel .config and using as a "basement" to build a own 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 11:31.14 | valdyn_ | ^rob^: now that was easy: apt-get install gs-esp |
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| 11:31.19 | jm_ | spiekey: yes |
| 11:31.25 | Kzimm | valdyn_: but i don't understand one thing i need a graphic env ? i only have one server with no grph |
| 11:31.29 | spiekey | jm_: what do i have to google for? |
| 11:31.35 | ^rob^ | ty |
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| 11:31.45 | sep | spiekey: make oldconfig |
| 11:31.46 | chealer | is dselect used during a woody install? |
| 11:31.51 | ^rob^ | i hope it will work this time - :) |
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| 11:32.01 | MobyTurbo | spiekey: make oldconfig |
| 11:32.02 | valdyn_ | Kzimm: yea, nessus needs X as far as i know |
| 11:32.03 | PitchForkLinux | Coke. It didn't do that. I configured partions manually and after configing the raid0 and write changes, I'm stuck. I got to a screen where I could select where I wanted to install it. It shows the fat 32 40 gig drive , Raid0 of 230 MB, scsi1, and scsi2. I selected raid 0 first and then it started installing but failed because of no room left |
| 11:32.06 | jm_ | spiekey: grab the config file from Debian (/boot) and copy it as .config, then use make oldconfig |
| 11:32.13 | Kzimm | valdyn_: damn :( |
| 11:32.17 | jm_ | spiekey: or just make menuconfig and you'll have those options enabled |
| 11:32.22 | valdyn_ | Kzimm: nessusd doesnt, it can be controlled remotely ( the gui can run on a different box ) |
| 11:32.26 | spiekey | ah cool! its in boot! ;) |
| 11:32.26 | MobyTurbo | chealer: it can be |
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| 11:32.32 | Coke | PitchForkLinux: what installer? |
| 11:32.38 | Coke | PitchForkLinux: sorry, what version of Debian? |
| 11:32.42 | PitchForkLinux | sarge installer |
| 11:32.49 | chealer | MobyTurbo: ok...thanks |
| 11:32.51 | Coke | PitchForkLinux: might be that 230Mb is too little. |
| 11:33.01 | Coke | I hate Debian for bloating sarge into > 40Mb on a Default install. |
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| 11:33.17 | PitchForkLinux | ah ok. so change that then right |
| 11:33.21 | ^rob^ | did they declared sarge stable? |
| 11:33.27 | elysium702 | I'm having trouble getting ITE "GigaRAID" support working under Linux 2.6.8 kernel. Anyone know how to do this? |
| 11:33.29 | MobyTurbo | ^rob^: /topic |
| 11:33.59 | Coke | I default install should be ~10Mb in a sane world. |
| 11:33.59 | PitchForkLinux | Ok I'll try again |
| 11:33.59 | PitchForkLinux | thanks coke |
| 11:34.13 | MobyTurbo | Coke: I ran Linux 0.95 on a 20 meg partition |
| 11:34.28 | spiekey | is there also a readme for the debian kernel where i can read up on the patches they applied? |
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| 11:34.30 | Coke | MobyTurbo: I'm talking about Debian, though. |
| 11:34.50 | Coke | MobyTurbo: I don't think it's the kernel that takes up > 100Mb, it's some other crap I don't know what it does. |
| 11:34.52 | MobyTurbo | Coke: well, Debian didn't exist then, unfortunately. :-) |
| 11:35.08 | Coke | MobyTurbo: woody was around 40Mb and even that was too much |
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| 11:36.48 | _joey | I installed precompiled kernel for sarge, I'd like to get .config file fo it if it's possible |
| 11:36.59 | tarzeau | _joey: see /boot |
| 11:37.00 | chealer | is there another designation than ".deb package" for... a .deb package (not necessarily a Real Debian package)? |
| 11:37.07 | valdyn_ | _joey: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 11:37.15 | debian | Coke: you come back from a coma? :) |
| 11:37.28 | Coke | debian: I was gone? |
| 11:37.32 | ^rob^ | HURREEEEYYYY --- Thank you all for helping me :) - z605 prints now :) |
| 11:37.37 | _joey | thanks |
| 11:37.52 | Coke | chealer: it doesn't work that way. I don't think there's any standard that says debian packages must have the .deb suffix. |
| 11:37.57 | valdyn_ | !win ^rob^ |
| 11:37.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, ^rob^! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 11:38.06 | ^rob^ | lol |
| 11:38.13 | Kzimm | apt-get upgrade is very hard since i can lose many conf or mod no ? |
| 11:38.23 | nevyn | !win nevyn |
| 11:38.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, nevyn! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 11:38.25 | tarzeau | Kzimm: no |
| 11:38.26 | Coke | Kzimm: no |
| 11:38.31 | nevyn | where's my $10 dammit. |
| 11:38.32 | Coke | damn it, tarzeau |
| 11:38.33 | sep | Kzimm: if you have modified a config then you will be asked if you want your own or the new config |
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| 11:38.41 | chealer | Coke: ok...so that an ever better reason to have another denomination. is it a dpkg package? |
| 11:38.46 | tarzeau | Kzimm: if your config differs you will be asked and can check the D(iffs) |
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| 11:39.09 | Coke | chealer: no. it still doesn't work that way. |
| 11:39.24 | Kzimm | you sure ? and if it's not in conf file ? |
| 11:39.42 | chealer | Coke: ok...does it work? :) |
| 11:39.42 | ^rob^ | gtg - thank you all again -- valdyn_: I OWN U A BEER! :) |
| 11:39.47 | valdyn_ | dpkg, debug cups is To debug cups: 'grep HINT /var/log/cups/error_log' |
| 11:39.47 | dpkg | valdyn_: okay |
| 11:39.48 | Kzimm | i mean i have 226 package to upgrade :( |
| 11:39.50 | sep | Kzimm: what do you mean with not in conf file ? |
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| 11:40.00 | Coke | chealer: this is not windows, the file name has nothing to do with it's contents or applications |
| 11:40.08 | sep | Kzimm: that tells me you have not upgraded in a while :) |
| 11:40.14 | Coke | chealer: it is provided simply to provide a clue for the users. |
| 11:40.21 | Kzimm | sep: i mean if i had modified a file in mysql for exmple but not in conf file |
| 11:40.27 | Coke | chealer: however, use the command "file" to check the file "magic". |
| 11:40.32 | Kzimm | sep: 1 year :( |
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| 11:41.05 | Kzimm | sep: i have been rootkit yesterday i need learn more about security and upgrade :) |
| 11:41.06 | chealer | Coke: hey, good idea, it says "Debian binary package (format 2.0)" |
| 11:41.15 | Coke | chealer: there you go. |
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| 11:41.21 | Zappatta | can i give one user write access on another user's home directory? |
| 11:41.30 | Coke | chealer: remember now, only crappy OS' trusts the file names. |
| 11:41.34 | chealer | Coke: I wonder if let's say knoppix packages do the same |
| 11:41.40 | chealer | ok Coke |
| 11:41.47 | Zappatta | basically, i need to have two owners for a directory... |
| 11:41.49 | Coke | chealer: I would suspect so since they too use dpkg for packages. |
| 11:42.13 | valdyn_ | Zappatta: make it group rwx and add both to that group |
| 11:42.16 | Coke | Zappatta: add them both to a group and make the directory group owner |
| 11:42.27 | chealer | Coke: that leaves the term "Debian package" with more than 1 definition... |
| 11:42.29 | Zappatta | cool, thanks |
| 11:42.46 | sep | Kzimm: well try it and see what happes, it's not like you dont have backups right ?= |
| 11:42.47 | Coke | chealer: hm. well. both ubuntu and knoppix use Debian packages. |
| 11:42.54 | chealer | Coke: unless the term denomination "Real Debian package" is official :) |
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| 11:43.09 | PitchForkLinux | Coke. Ok I'm back to my same issue. I'm in the manual partition screens and looking at my info I have the following. 1 IDE Master (HDA)40GB Bootable fat32 /windows |
| 11:43.20 | Kzimm | sep: i have backup yes but ... upgrade 226 package is for me like a suicide no ? :) |
| 11:43.29 | Coke | Zappatta: if you are using a local machine alone and you don't care about organising users and groups in a maintainable fassion, just install ACL support and rip. |
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| 11:43.40 | Seadog | ahh great |
| 11:43.43 | sep | Kzimm: not realy since dpkg have cow powers |
| 11:43.47 | Coke | PitchForkLinux: where's your raid device? |
| 11:43.53 | Coke | PitchForkLinux: your raid partition, that is? |
| 11:43.58 | Seadog | I got to the finished installing off CD and restarted and it started doing the apt-get |
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| 11:44.03 | Kzimm | sep: i hope, can i verify with you my souces.list is good ? |
| 11:44.05 | Seadog | but it won't connect to the internet |
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| 11:44.21 | Coke | Seadog: did you configure a correct IP address or tell it to use dhcp? |
| 11:44.22 | PitchForkLinux | 2. Raid0 Device0 245.9 gig Software Raid Device |
| 11:44.25 | _joey | www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/log |
| 11:44.28 | _joey | why is agp getting removed? |
| 11:44.37 | Seadog | Coke: I never got the chance to configure it the second time |
| 11:44.46 | sep | Kzimm: if you have touched your sources.list then i dont want no responsibillity :) |
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| 11:44.49 | Coke | PitchForkLinux: ok, now just make your mount points to the device of your desire. |
| 11:44.59 | Coke | Seadog: no, you should have done it _the first time_ |
| 11:45.03 | Seadog | I did |
| 11:45.06 | Kzimm | sep: i can't remember :) |
| 11:45.09 | Coke | Seadog: then it works. |
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| 11:45.12 | Seadog | but when it restarted it won't |
| 11:45.19 | Kzimm | can i pv it for no flood ? |
| 11:45.20 | sep | Kzimm: paste it in #flood |
| 11:45.28 | Coke | Seadog: woody or sarge installer? |
| 11:45.28 | valdyn_ | _joey: who sais that agp support gets removed? |
| 11:45.31 | Kzimm | k |
| 11:45.34 | Seadog | Sarge I think |
| 11:45.36 | CrypticSquared | SARGE |
| 11:45.39 | CrypticSquared | ! |
| 11:45.39 | Seadog | I just got the net installer |
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| 11:45.48 | CrypticSquared | soz |
| 11:45.50 | valdyn_ | _joey: that is certainly bullshit |
| 11:45.53 | Coke | Seadog: if the net installer worked with network the finished installation will too |
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| 11:46.01 | redguy | hi |
| 11:46.05 | Seadog | Coke: Honestly it won't |
| 11:46.09 | _joey | valdyn_ the XFree86 log file |
| 11:46.11 | Seadog | Can't connect |
| 11:46.13 | Coke | Seadog: then you misconfigured the network. |
| 11:46.17 | Seadog | I didn't |
| 11:46.31 | Coke | Seadog: then file a bug |
| 11:46.37 | Seadog | meh |
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| 11:46.50 | Seadog | can't I just config it again after the restart? |
| 11:46.56 | Seadog | in gentoo you can just do net-config |
| 11:46.58 | PitchForkLinux | dam.. Ok it is installing. I can't figure out why that failed before. Oh btw I installed all files on single partiotion. since I'm a newbee |
| 11:47.01 | valdyn_ | _joey: it sais (WW) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP not available |
| 11:47.10 | Coke | Seadog: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:47.13 | sep | Kzimm: security for both stable and testing seam a bit redundant but. not wrong so |
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| 11:47.16 | _joey | why is it available? |
| 11:47.21 | PitchForkLinux | I'll be back in a while. Thanks again coke.... |
| 11:47.25 | Seadog | Coke: will that work? |
| 11:47.35 | Kzimm | what line is the best to keep ? |
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| 11:47.51 | Coke | Seadog: no, it has no work permit so it's called "charity" |
| 11:47.51 | _joey | why is it NOT available? |
| 11:47.56 | valdyn_ | _joey: because you dont have the driver for it loaded? |
| 11:47.57 | Seadog | and what's the command to get back into base configuration screen again lol? |
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| 11:48.03 | _joey | valdyn_ I do |
| 11:48.06 | jetscreamer | modprobe agpgart |
| 11:48.06 | Seadog | Coke: no need to be sarcastic |
| 11:48.17 | redguy | can anyone tell me which /etc/init.d/ script sets kernel variables specified in /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 11:48.23 | Coke | Seadog: yes there is. I _need_ to be sarcastic. |
| 11:48.27 | jetscreamer | and the mb/chipset specific module also for agpgart |
| 11:48.38 | Coke | Seadog: either edit the file by hand or possible a dpkg-reconfigure on some network-base package. |
| 11:48.49 | sep | Seadog: its usualy just as easy to just edit the file /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:48.57 | Coke | Perhaps someone else could be helpful enough to state the package name for reconfiguring the network. |
| 11:49.04 | jetscreamer | Seadog: google netcardconfig for a script |
| 11:49.20 | Kzimm | sep: well let's go for and apt-get upgrade like i am ? |
| 11:49.24 | valdyn_ | _joey: show me that you do |
| 11:49.42 | Seadog | right ok once I do that how do I get it to go back into the base config screen again? |
| 11:49.47 | Kzimm | sep: will i be prompt for accept al upgrade ? |
| 11:50.01 | jetscreamer | base-config, but there's no network setting there |
| 11:50.17 | Seadog | yeah but I couldn't do that because I had no connection |
| 11:50.56 | Seadog | meh, brb |
| 11:50.58 | valdyn_ | _joey: lsmod | grep agp |
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| 11:51.14 | pd_hmilenario | hola |
| 11:51.30 | _joey | gpgart 46244 0 (unused) |
| 11:51.35 | _joey | agpgart 46244 0 (unused) |
| 11:51.41 | _joey | Now |
| 11:51.49 | valdyn_ | _joey: so you dont have agp support loaded |
| 11:51.54 | valdyn_ | _joey: whats your chipset |
| 11:52.05 | _joey | I'd rip every single bit from this module and shove it up your ass if you don't help me to solve the problem |
| 11:52.11 | valdyn_ | _joey: agpgart is a generic module, you need to hardware specific driver too |
| 11:52.11 | _joey | for what? |
| 11:52.13 | _joey | via |
| 11:52.15 | PitchForkLinux | Hey coke. Which partitions should be quite large.. ie usr or home or in linux. I plan on sharing a large nfs directory of mp3 files. I don't know if this is set up in usr or in home. I'm guessing the home partition should be a very large partition |
| 11:52.33 | valdyn_ | _joey: lol, help yourself |
| 11:52.34 | _joey | valdyn_ I am using precompiled kernel |
| 11:52.44 | _joey | with CONFIG_AGP+VIA=y |
| 11:52.58 | _joey | or whatever it is, wait |
| 11:53.00 | _joey | :) |
| 11:54.22 | _joey | CONFIG_AGP_VIA=y |
| 11:54.29 | _joey | valdyn_ ran out of ideas?:) |
| 11:54.42 | _joey | valdyn_ .... I was kidding ........ |
| 11:54.44 | _joey | :) |
| 11:54.48 | valdyn_ | _joey: modprobe via-agp |
| 11:54.55 | _joey | it's not there |
| 11:55.04 | CrypticSquared | does anyone know the command to grab the ip off the ppp0 interface without writing a script to cut and paste from ifconfig? |
| 11:55.13 | inu | pitchforklinux, uhh where ever you choose to put them, up to you |
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| 11:55.42 | valdyn_ | _joey: whats "not there" ? |
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| 11:55.49 | _joey | via-agp |
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| 11:55.58 | _joey | not loaded in kernel |
| 11:56.00 | scytheman_ | CrypticSquared, you want to geht the ip from ifconfig without using ifconfig? |
| 11:56.02 | inu | valdyn_, compiled in, not a module |
| 11:56.17 | Zappatta | how can i view a list of users and groups on the computer? |
| 11:56.18 | _joey | yep |
| 11:56.45 | CrypticSquared | scytheman_: at the mome i have a script to ifconfig > tmp.file cut and paste back into firewall file, del tmp.file, is there an easier way? |
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| 11:57.00 | valdyn_ | _joey: uname -r |
| 11:57.11 | scytheman_ | CrypticSquared, sure |
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| 11:57.15 | _joey | 2.4.27-2-686 |
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| 11:58.11 | CrypticSquared | ? |
| 11:58.27 | scytheman_ | CrypticSquared, wait a moment |
| 11:58.29 | valdyn_ | _joey: lspci | grep -i agp |
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| 11:59.03 | _joey | 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x [Apollo MVP3/Pro133x AGP] |
| 11:59.34 | cef | anyone know wether marillat's mplayr packages are broken for playing dvd's at the moment? |
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| 11:59.39 | scytheman_ | CrypticSquared, /sbin/ifconfig ppp0 | grep 'inet addr' | awk -F ":" '{print $2}' | awk '{print $1}' |
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| 11:59.54 | Bombo | hi |
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| 11:59.59 | CrypticSquared | ah thanks :) |
| 12:00.02 | CrypticSquared | i was close :) |
| 12:00.13 | Bombo | how do i restart the dhclient in debian/sarge? i can'T find /etc/init.d/dhclient |
| 12:00.14 | valdyn_ | _joey: modprobe -r agpgart, then reinsert it in a console ( wont see the debug msgs in an xterm ) |
| 12:00.18 | scytheman_ | you could also use cut instead of awk |
| 12:00.21 | Kzim | sep: i m afraid :) |
| 12:00.31 | sep | ?? |
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| 12:01.13 | Kzim | sep: the upgrade is in progess :) |
| 12:01.20 | sep | Kzim: ahh good luck |
| 12:01.27 | Bombo | how is the dhcp client started in debian? |
| 12:01.30 | sep | <- afk lunch |
| 12:01.41 | Kzim | sep: goo luck for you're lunch :) |
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| 12:01.59 | CrypticSquared | scytheman_: i was using cut before |
| 12:02.00 | Bombo | there is no reference in the crontabs |
| 12:02.03 | Bombo | or init.d |
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| 12:02.04 | mikkel | how do i install a rpm package in debian ? |
| 12:02.05 | sep | Bombo: i belive i just /etc/init.d/networking restart dont know what it does in the backgroudn tho |
| 12:02.25 | sep | mikkel: use alias to convert it to a dpkg able file |
| 12:02.31 | Bombo | sep: hm |
| 12:02.34 | _joey | valdyn_ reinsserted with no error messages, it detected VIA APollo chipset |
| 12:02.42 | _joey | printed out memory available etc |
| 12:02.48 | _joey | can't paste from console |
| 12:02.50 | kaner | Bombo: just do "dhclient" as root? |
| 12:02.50 | mikkel | alias ? a application ? |
| 12:02.58 | valdyn_ | _joey: np, i believe you |
| 12:02.59 | sep | mikkel: yes apt-get install alias |
| 12:03.02 | mikkel | ok |
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| 12:03.28 | chealer | mikkel: he must mean alien |
| 12:03.34 | Bombo | kaner: it is already running |
| 12:03.46 | kaner | Bombo: then what is the problem? :) |
| 12:03.56 | sep | chealer: damn your right :) |
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| 12:04.16 | sep | definitiftly lunch time |
| 12:04.21 | mikkel | not alias ? |
| 12:04.23 | Bombo | kaner: i want to restart the running dhclient, because i changed options in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 12:04.36 | kaner | send him SIGHUP |
| 12:04.37 | valdyn_ | _joey: now start X, as root ( go to a console, type "X :1" if you dont want to close your current X |
| 12:04.48 | chealer | sep: no no...just use factoids, so you're sure your brain doesn't need to be working :) |
| 12:04.57 | chealer | mikkel: no, not alias |
| 12:05.01 | _joey | don't mind closing it |
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| 12:05.18 | valdyn_ | _joey: as you want, its not required |
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| 12:05.36 | _joey | what do you want to see having run X as root? |
| 12:05.37 | Bombo | kaner: now its dead |
| 12:05.56 | _joey | after we reinserted agpgart? |
| 12:05.58 | _joey | wait |
| 12:05.58 | valdyn_ | _joey: X cannot use DRI as user, unless you explicitely set it up to do that |
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| 12:06.02 | kaner | Bombo: ups |
| 12:06.04 | Bombo | kaner: i've seen several options and parameters in ps |
| 12:06.22 | Bombo | that i'm probably missing when i just start "dhclient" |
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| 12:06.45 | _joey | done |
| 12:06.48 | kaner | Bombo: normally SIGHUP causes the daemon to restart, re-read its config |
| 12:06.50 | Bombo | other programs got a nice /etc/init.d/ startstop script, why not the dhclient |
| 12:06.53 | _joey | want to see the log |
| 12:07.04 | Bombo | kaner: normalle |
| 12:07.05 | Bombo | y |
| 12:07.07 | Bombo | ;/ |
| 12:07.11 | kaner | :\ |
| 12:07.23 | valdyn_ | _joey: look if agp works in that X |
| 12:07.29 | Bombo | i'll try restarting /etc/init.d/networking |
| 12:07.34 | _joey | www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/log1 |
| 12:07.38 | valdyn_ | _joey: and look at your DRI section in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 12:07.42 | Bombo | hope i'm not disconnected, i'm connected via ssh to the machine |
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| 12:08.09 | nksen | can't I run swing-apps with kaffe? |
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| 12:08.43 | valdyn_ | _joey: which Mode in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 , DRI section ? |
| 12:08.57 | goron | My mails seem to be sent two hours later than now. That is, the date is wrong. The e-mails are sent within seconds. Which clock is wrong? |
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| 12:09.08 | valdyn_ | _joey: if that section doesnt exist at all, thats good too and we found the error |
| 12:09.10 | _joey | valdyn_ no dri section |
| 12:09.27 | valdyn_ | _joey: great, how did you configure your X so far? |
| 12:09.28 | _joey | Load "dri" in Module section |
| 12:09.34 | _joey | by hand:) |
| 12:09.58 | _joey | www4.tpg.com.au/alexgn/XF86Config |
| 12:10.02 | Bombo | ok /etc/init.d/networking seems to start the dhclient somehow |
| 12:10.13 | Bombo | although i cant see anything *dhc* in it |
| 12:10.22 | valdyn_ | _joey: add this, \ indicates newline : Section "DRI" \ Mode 0666 \ |
| 12:10.25 | Bombo | i got one error still: "dhclient: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776" |
| 12:10.29 | Bombo | what does that mean |
| 12:10.34 | Bombo | what is sit0? |
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| 12:10.49 | valdyn_ | _joey: and EndSection |
| 12:11.21 | _joey | what's in End Section? |
| 12:11.34 | _joey | and in which place of the file I put DRI section? |
| 12:11.36 | _joey | anywhere? |
| 12:11.48 | valdyn_ | _joey: Section "DRI" \ |
| 12:12.01 | valdyn_ | _joey: christ my cut & paste sucks |
| 12:12.04 | _joey | ops |
| 12:12.12 | _joey | sorted out |
| 12:12.28 | valdyn_ | _joey: Section "DRI" \ Mode 0666 \ EndSection \ |
| 12:12.47 | valdyn_ | _joey: anywhere, just not within another section |
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| 12:13.50 | _joey | that would allow to use dri as regular user |
| 12:13.53 | _joey | let me try again |
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| 12:16.30 | _joey | AGPis not available |
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| 12:17.41 | _joey | :(( |
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| 12:18.30 | xk | what's wrong? |
| 12:18.54 | valdyn_ | _joey: i *think* you need to add yourself to the group video now |
| 12:18.55 | _joey | The world sucks |
| 12:19.30 | _joey | I am in this group |
| 12:19.36 | _joey | as regular user |
| 12:19.46 | valdyn_ | _joey: ls -l /dev/agpgart |
| 12:20.17 | _joey | crw-rw---- 1 root video 10, 175 2005-03-23 15:14 /dev/agpgart |
| 12:20.59 | xk | id yourself. |
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| 12:21.24 | p88 | hi all |
| 12:21.32 | p88 | Is it necessary that ATA support is statically compiled into the kernel? |
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| 12:21.51 | jm_ | p88: of course not |
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| 12:22.03 | xk | if you're booting from an ATA device, and don't have initrd... how else are you going to boot? |
| 12:22.13 | PerfDave | !x md5sum |
| 12:22.27 | p88 | I am booting from ATA and do not have initrd |
| 12:22.34 | p88 | so I have to link it in |
| 12:22.37 | jm_ | then you will obviously need it |
| 12:22.44 | xk | did I give you another option than the one you said? |
| 12:22.52 | jm_ | p88: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 12:22.53 | PerfDave | Bah, is dpkg dead again? |
| 12:22.57 | resiak | !test |
| 12:22.57 | dpkg | Yes, resiak, you're still online. |
| 12:23.00 | resiak | !xmd5 |
| 12:23.01 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 12:23.12 | resiak | PerfDave: No, you just have to know the right questions :) |
| 12:23.50 | _joey | xk www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/XF86Config and www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/log1 , I can't configure xfree86 to support dri on ati radeon 9250 rev280 |
| 12:24.04 | xk | tpg heh |
| 12:24.10 | _joey | agpgart and radeon modules are loaded |
| 12:24.12 | xk | how's the latency on tpg? |
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| 12:24.45 | valdyn_ | _joey: put your XF86Config-4 online too |
| 12:24.55 | _joey | valdyn_ I don't have that config file |
| 12:25.11 | xk | (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found |
| 12:25.13 | xk | hrm. |
| 12:26.04 | xk | why are you setting BusID? |
| 12:26.04 | _joey | there's older log www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/log |
| 12:26.12 | valdyn_ | _joey: there is no DRI section in your config |
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| 12:26.20 | valdyn_ | _joey: didnt we add that already? |
| 12:26.25 | _joey | valdyn_ that's old config |
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| 12:26.31 | _joey | I updated dri section later |
| 12:26.43 | valdyn_ | _joey: ok, update your online version.. |
| 12:26.48 | xk | _joey: why is BusID is set in XF86Config? |
| 12:26.49 | _joey | wait |
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| 12:27.09 | valdyn_ | xk: dri works as root, works not as user |
| 12:27.21 | valdyn_ | xk: so the pciid shouldnt hurt i suppose |
| 12:27.25 | xk | ok. |
| 12:27.29 | xk | looks like there's no DRI section |
| 12:27.34 | xk | you need this: |
| 12:27.37 | xk | Section "DRI" |
| 12:27.37 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.37 | xk | EndSection |
| 12:27.55 | xk | not sure if that's safe ;) |
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| 12:28.21 | Pappa_ | or if you have multiple users, add a "video" group, sign up on it and use "Mode 0660" instead |
| 12:28.38 | resiak | What's wrong with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 12:28.40 | Pappa_ | and of course chown root:video on the dri node |
| 12:28.46 | xk | crw-rw---- 1 root video 10, 175 Nov 30 2003 /dev/agpgart |
| 12:28.51 | xk | I'm in group video aswell. |
| 12:29.00 | Pappa_ | so 0660 is fine. |
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| 12:29.07 | Seadog | meh this isn't working |
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| 12:29.26 | Pappa_ | Seadog: what's not working? |
| 12:29.40 | valdyn_ | _joey: still no DRI section, guess editing didnt do what we thought ) |
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| 12:29.58 | Seadog | My net connection as soon as I restart after the install |
| 12:30.04 | Seadog | Using the net install |
| 12:30.08 | _joey | valdyn_ I haven't uploaded yet , ftp is slow for some reason |
| 12:30.13 | Pappa_ | dhcp? static? |
| 12:30.23 | xk | dsl? cable? |
| 12:30.26 | Seadog | Cable |
| 12:30.39 | Seadog | meh, I set it up in the installer |
| 12:30.41 | Pappa_ | is it eth0, eth1 or what? |
| 12:30.42 | xk | pump -i eth0 not enough? |
| 12:30.55 | Seadog | hmm wouldn't it be wlan0? |
| 12:30.58 | xk | wireless? |
| 12:31.04 | Seadog | yeah |
| 12:31.11 | Pappa_ | is it working? |
| 12:31.14 | xk | wireless cable? |
| 12:31.17 | Seadog | yeah |
| 12:31.19 | xk | how can you have wireless _cable_? :) |
| 12:31.22 | Pappa_ | try a ifup wlan0 |
| 12:31.28 | _joey | valdyn_ I could dcc config file for the moment |
| 12:31.30 | Seadog | xk 2 PCs |
| 12:31.32 | Pappa_ | xk: he proably has a wireless router |
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| 12:31.41 | xk | so it's a router/nat issue on your gateway |
| 12:31.44 | xk | not linux problem. |
| 12:31.50 | Seadog | no it isn't though |
| 12:31.51 | xk | well.. not nat... |
| 12:31.57 | valdyn_ | _joey: /msg dpkg paste |
| 12:31.58 | Seadog | I can connect any time other than then |
| 12:32.01 | Pappa_ | doesnt have to be |
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| 12:32.28 | Pappa_ | Seadog: what drivers do you use for that card? |
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| 12:32.33 | xk | so how do you put up your connection? |
| 12:32.41 | Seadog | Not a card, wireless USB adapter |
| 12:32.46 | Seadog | had loads of trouble with it lol |
| 12:32.54 | Pappa_ | it's still a "card", Seadog |
| 12:32.59 | xk | desktop? laptop? |
| 12:33.03 | Pappa_ | prism2? |
| 12:33.04 | Seadog | desktop |
| 12:33.08 | sep | Seadog: damn i'v sold a few of those, they allways give troubble |
| 12:33.19 | xk | why can't you be wired? |
| 12:33.26 | Pappa_ | mine doesnt, and it's a ghetto cheapass prism3 |
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| 12:33.47 | RRT | Is there a document detailing steps to modify screen resolution at boot time? |
| 12:34.04 | Seadog | sep: it works fine in kanotix |
| 12:34.08 | jm_ | RRT: /msg dpkg reconfigure x |
| 12:34.09 | Seadog | and windows |
| 12:34.13 | Pappa_ | RRT: very easy. append a kernel parameter, either vga or video |
| 12:34.14 | jm_ | RRT: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:34.23 | Pappa_ | jm_: at boot time |
| 12:34.25 | xk | is *dm at bootom? :) |
| 12:34.26 | jm_ | RRT: or do you mean what's used for console? |
| 12:34.28 | xk | er, boot time |
| 12:34.46 | Seadog | ahh stuff it lol gonna jigdo the whole DVD |
| 12:34.56 | paster | "_joey" at 220.244.224.105 pasted "Latest XF86Config with DRI section" (94 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/379 |
| 12:35.16 | Pappa_ | RRT: as in, video=vesafb:mtrr;1024x768-16@100 |
| 12:35.27 | jm_ | RRT: for that read FB docs |
| 12:35.30 | valdyn_ | _joey: i have to go now. if i were you i would simply: dpkg --purge --force-all xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 and if config doesnt show by itself "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ( and refrain from doing X config manually ) |
| 12:35.35 | Pappa_ | substitue @100 with whatever your monitor can handle |
| 12:35.39 | jm_ | or svga.txt |
| 12:35.52 | RRT | yes the console. |
| 12:36.04 | _joey | valdyn_ thanks for your time |
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| 12:36.15 | Pappa_ | RRT: radeon card? |
| 12:36.22 | jetscreamer | what, drxx won't write changes? |
| 12:36.35 | RRT | I think knoppix and euronode boot with a much smaller font size and use color (don't care about the color) |
| 12:37.00 | Pappa_ | RRT: yes,yes.. now, what card is it? |
| 12:37.08 | Guerin | !vga |
| 12:37.08 | dpkg | vga is probably Video Graphics Array or something you SHOULD know, maybe you should sell your computer huh, or 60 Hz vsync, 31.5 kHz hsync gets your old VGA monitor going |
| 12:37.14 | Guerin | gah |
| 12:37.17 | Guerin | ~vga |
| 12:38.16 | apt | from memory, vga is Video Graphics Array or something you SHOULD know, maybe you should sell your computer huh, or for framebuffer video mode kernel parameters, see http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/HOWTOS/framebuffer/framebuffer.php, unless you use vesafb-tng for some strange reason |
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| 12:38.16 | duBBer | hi |
| 12:38.17 | RRT | not sure is in a presario900 how can i tell what card it is. it detected it during install |
| 12:38.17 | Guerin | one of the bots knows all the vga kernel modes |
| 12:38.17 | Pappa_ | well it probably works with vesafb |
| 12:38.17 | xk | lspci | grep -i graph |
| 12:38.17 | duBBer | i can't use KNOPPIX until i get my drive back... |
| 12:38.17 | Pappa_ | Guerin: the debian kernels use vga= instead of video= ? |
| 12:38.19 | jetscreamer | you should md5sum the .config and rerun drxx |
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| 12:38.21 | Guerin | Pappa_: yeah |
| 12:38.24 | xk | duBBer: we'd care if it was debian. |
| 12:38.31 | duBBer | oic |
| 12:38.32 | Pappa_ | Guerin: then it's easy |
| 12:38.35 | jetscreamer | they all use vga= in the bootloader.conf iirc |
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| 12:38.57 | Guerin | Pappa_: easy if you know how |
| 12:39.46 | Pappa_ | there's a table on the web |
| 12:39.52 | Pappa_ | wish i had a net connection =/ |
| 12:39.52 | Kzim | when i upgrade a package en use D to see difference - are the line that will be delete and + keep ? |
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| 12:40.53 | bowman | heya, 2.6 kernel problem. eth0 and the quad-isdn-card share one irq. I want them on separate irqs. I've already tried un-and-reloading the modules - no effect. any ideas? |
| 12:41.13 | duBBer | i can't use KNOPPIX until i get my drive back... |
| 12:41.15 | sep | Kzim:aye |
| 12:41.22 | Guerin | duBBer: consider that a blessing |
| 12:41.33 | MobyTurbo | duBBer: /join #knoppix |
| 12:41.34 | xk | bowman: move the ethernet card to a different slot. |
| 12:41.38 | duBBer | whats wrong with knoppix? |
| 12:41.39 | xk | bowman: or the isdn card. |
| 12:41.49 | Guerin | duBBer: it's not debian |
| 12:41.51 | MobyTurbo | duBBer: it's not Debian. You're on the wrong channel |
| 12:41.54 | bowman | xk: the eth. interface is onboard :-) |
| 12:42.02 | xk | bowman: then you'r SOL. |
| 12:42.07 | xk | bowman: move the isdn card. |
| 12:42.11 | Guerin | !beer MobyTurbo |
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| 12:42.20 | xk | bowman: is it a... realtek? :) |
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| 12:42.27 | bowman | xk: intel pro gbit |
| 12:42.31 | xk | ahhh... |
| 12:42.32 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: GMTA |
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| 12:43.07 | nevyn | !tell SpeCDK about root |
| 12:43.26 | MobyTurbo | nevyn: I believe the bots do that automatically |
| 12:43.38 | Kzim | sep: lol it's finish . first thing site web no more work lol |
| 12:43.40 | doleyb | bowman: you check your bios settings for irqs of onboard periphersals? |
| 12:43.45 | xk | yeah, if the factoid has been defined, and enabled in config... if I remember the code ;) |
| 12:44.02 | nevyn | cool |
| 12:44.08 | sep | Kzim: look in your web config dir, the old config is saves with an .old extension i belive |
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| 12:45.36 | RRT | Radeon Mobility U1 |
| 12:46.03 | CrypticSquared | scytheman_: i have another question for you if you are still there? |
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| 12:46.38 | elysium702 | I'm having trouble getting ITE "GigaRAID" support working under Linux 2.6.8 kernel. Anyone know how to do this? |
| 12:46.50 | xk | gigaraid? |
| 12:47.11 | Guerin | BuzzWordRaid 9,000,000 |
| 12:47.13 | xk | you're better off using software raid. |
| 12:47.20 | CyberShadow | How do I reconfigure my screen configuration (monitor frequencies, resolution etc.) ? |
| 12:47.27 | Guerin | !sing bob2 |
| 12:47.28 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 12:47.32 | caoilte | hi. What is the best way to mount a partition (directory really) on another computer so that it appears it appears to contain local files? (do i want NFS?) |
| 12:47.33 | CrypticSquared | xf86cfg |
| 12:47.40 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: no. |
| 12:47.45 | CrypticSquared | xf86cfg --textmode |
| 12:47.48 | CyberShadow | thanks :) |
| 12:47.50 | xk | caoilte: another linux box? |
| 12:47.54 | Guerin | never use xf86config, or X --configure |
| 12:48.03 | caoilte | xk: yes |
| 12:48.05 | CyberShadow | why? |
| 12:48.06 | CrypticSquared | why? |
| 12:48.07 | sep | caoilte: yes nfs does that |
| 12:48.11 | elysium702 | xk: yes, you know on some Gigabyte motherboards they have this "ITE GigaRAID" chipset... I'm just using it as a secondary IDE controller. But I can't see the disks on it. They show up in the GigaRAID BIOS and I can even boot (Winblows) off it. |
| 12:48.19 | caoilte | sep: is it the best choice? |
| 12:48.23 | Guerin | they break debian's config file, and do nothing that dpkg-reconfigure doesn't do |
| 12:48.23 | Kzim | sep: can't conect to mysql server though socket /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock :( |
| 12:48.38 | elysium702 | xk: but Linux doesn't recognise the HD's on that controller. |
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| 12:48.48 | Kzim | sep: in /etc/ysql there is a file name dpkg_mysql_was_running |
| 12:48.54 | Guerin | Kzim: make sure your client can see that socket |
| 12:49.00 | xk | caoilte: nfs. apt-get install nfs-common nfs-user-server. add "portmap: 192.x.x.x/24" to /etc/hosts.allow, restart portmap. mount. |
| 12:49.09 | Guerin | Kzim: ie: permissions, chroots, etc. |
| 12:49.11 | CrypticSquared | Guerin: /etc/X11/ something something, vi it |
| 12:49.12 | sep | caoilte: there are many others but i'v not found anything that is as stable and easy as nfs |
| 12:49.23 | Kzim | sep: you mean www-data ? |
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| 12:49.27 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: I know how it works; you clearly do not. |
| 12:49.30 | xk | elysium702: so has the chipset been set to IDE mode, not RAID mode? |
| 12:49.36 | CrypticSquared | LOL |
| 12:49.39 | CrypticSquared | touchy touchy |
| 12:49.47 | sep | Kzim: i think i ment in /etc/apache/conf/ |
| 12:49.49 | CrypticSquared | it is all TEXT files! |
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| 12:49.59 | caoilte | thanks all. :-D |
| 12:50.04 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: if you fuck with XF86Config-4 in debian using a method other than debconf, then future debconf runs won't touch it. |
| 12:50.05 | elysium702 | xk: of course, BASE (IDE mode), not RAID mode. I'm literally using it as a secondary IDE controller. |
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| 12:50.10 | sep | Kzim: someone else have to answer your mysql issues i dont know thatone |
| 12:50.16 | Kzim | sep: hum even the mysql -p not work and there s file mysqld.sock where it say |
| 12:50.19 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: read the comments at the top of that TEXTFILE for enlightenment |
| 12:50.24 | xk | elysium702: know what chipset it uses other than buzzwords? |
| 12:50.24 | Kzim | sep: k |
| 12:50.25 | CrypticSquared | ah Guerin you are wrong. as i have proven otherwise |
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| 12:50.34 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: no, I am not wrong. |
| 12:50.38 | Octavian | hi there |
| 12:50.40 | sep | elysium702: im pretty sure that linux software raid would outperform that gigaraid anyway so id just use it that way |
| 12:50.41 | Kzim | Anyone know why there is no mysqld.sock ? |
| 12:50.42 | CrypticSquared | believe what you want |
| 12:50.42 | elysium702 | xk: ITE8212 afaik |
| 12:50.57 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: read the comments, then tell me again I'm wrong. |
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| 12:51.09 | sep | Kzim: you have restarted all the services that was affected right ? |
| 12:51.10 | elysium702 | sep: I'm not using it in any RAID mode... I'm simply using it as a secondary controller in order to have more PATA disks plugged in. |
| 12:51.10 | CrypticSquared | what do comments have to do with it? |
| 12:51.16 | CrypticSquared | i have done it and it works |
| 12:51.20 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: see? you have no fucking idea. |
| 12:51.22 | CrypticSquared | deb config still reads it |
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| 12:51.29 | CrypticSquared | xf86cfg works |
| 12:51.43 | CrypticSquared | i dont know what planet you live on or why you are so arragent |
| 12:51.43 | xk | ./pci/it8172.c:MODULE_DESCRIPTION("PCI driver module for ITE 8172 IDE"); |
| 12:51.46 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: READS it... but, as I said, "future debconf runs won't touch it" |
| 12:51.47 | xk | that chipset? |
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| 12:51.52 | Octavian | anyone created an UML image with sarge? |
| 12:52.01 | xk | elysium702: stock kernel? |
| 12:52.07 | xk | or compiled your own? |
| 12:52.09 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: I'm not arrogant, I'm right. |
| 12:52.23 | elysium702 | xk: no. |
| 12:52.24 | CrypticSquared | just edit it by hand if you need to change it sheesh |
| 12:52.40 | _joey | valdyn_ are you around? |
| 12:52.42 | elysium702 | xk: I got the debian patched kernel 2.6.8 from APT. |
| 12:53.05 | elysium702 | xk: compiled myself 'cause i needed a couple of extra's (plus proprietry ATI drivers, etc). |
| 12:53.14 | xk | elysium702: hrm... ok.. booted in it right now? |
| 12:53.19 | Vegar | How can I log iptables ULOG/LOG targets to its own file? |
| 12:53.32 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: do what you want; just don't advise newbies to do things in a way which will break if they try to use the proper debian config method |
| 12:53.39 | Guerin | simple |
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| 12:54.08 | elysium702 | xk: no, i'm in winblows because my friend keeps wanting to use the PC to play games (keep having to switch the boot order in the BIOS. grr. I can go back into Debian if you want. |
| 12:54.20 | Seadog | ok gonna take about 5 hours to download this dvd ISO |
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| 12:54.29 | CrypticSquared | im over this, i have proven you theory to be wrong, and i know that |
| 12:54.33 | Guerin | Seadog: nooo, not the dvd iso... |
| 12:54.38 | Seadog | why not? |
| 12:54.44 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: no, you have misunderstood my assertion. |
| 12:54.45 | xk | elysium702: yeah... I'd like the chipset info from "lspci| grep -i raid" |
| 12:54.47 | CrypticSquared | if they are so worried about it, they should backup the original like with all files! |
| 12:54.58 | Guerin | Seadog: are you really going to install 4G of software? |
| 12:55.03 | Guerin | (compressed) |
| 12:55.05 | elysium702 | xk: sure. gimmi two ticks. brb :-) |
| 12:55.05 | Seadog | why not? |
| 12:55.11 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: they do. |
| 12:55.18 | Seadog | nothing else will work ol |
| 12:55.26 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: read the config file and all will be revealed. |
| 12:55.41 | Guerin | Seadog: ? |
| 12:55.51 | Seadog | I can't install Debian any other way lol |
| 12:55.56 | CrypticSquared | i have rewrtten the config file, end convo |
| 12:55.56 | Guerin | whyever not? |
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| 12:56.02 | Seadog | my net connection is being gay when it boots |
| 12:56.07 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: haha |
| 12:56.34 | Guerin | Seadog: it's going out looking for other similarly-gendered net connections, for a good time and companionship? |
| 12:56.36 | nagual | i had no idea a connection could be heterosexual. |
| 12:56.43 | xk | heh |
| 12:56.49 | Seadog | yes it can |
| 12:56.59 | Seadog | and is |
| 12:57.01 | nagual | so its screwed if its hetero, and fucked up if its gay? |
| 12:57.04 | Guerin | nagual: they all are, of course. The rj45 pee-pee goes into the ethernet card's pee-pee |
| 12:57.06 | Delph | nagual: well, they do breed, quietly, under the table? |
| 12:57.07 | Seadog | yes |
| 12:57.20 | Seadog | male-male cables >_> |
| 12:57.23 | nagual | so why are you here whining if your connection is working fine? |
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| 12:57.39 | Seadog | it is now |
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| 12:57.46 | Seadog | it won't work when I try a net install |
| 12:57.56 | elysium702 | xk: back |
| 12:58.18 | xk | elysium702: "lspci| grep -i raid" |
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| 12:59.05 | elysium702 | xk: 0000:01:0c.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 11) |
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| 12:59.16 | xk | hrm... |
| 12:59.26 | xk | I'm not sure if there is a driver for it. |
| 12:59.37 | xk | only one seems to be it8172 |
| 12:59.43 | CrypticSquared | is there a bug fix for the pci hotplug issue yet? |
| 12:59.50 | elysium702 | xk: I found a kernel patch... but everytime i patch and recompile the kernel... no dice. |
| 12:59.55 | Kane32 | is somebody running fbsplash on debian with udev? |
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| 13:00.19 | xk | elysium702: made sure you're running the kernel you compiled? |
| 13:00.35 | marowiliams | hi, an help please, server hp dl360 with installed sarge, today the system is really slow, i've checked line connection that is ok without any collisions ... in the server are running apache2, mysql, postfix, bind ... please advice me what i can check |
| 13:00.35 | CyberShadow | which mouse model do I need to select to make the mouse wheel work? |
| 13:00.55 | Guerin | CyberShadow: most should work. imps/2 works, at least. |
| 13:01.04 | Pappa_ | any works i think |
| 13:01.11 | CrypticSquared | marowiliams: check the proc for mem usage cpu usage etc |
| 13:01.12 | Pappa_ | you just need to set ZAxisMapping |
| 13:01.22 | CyberShadow | well, just ps//2 doesn't |
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| 13:01.30 | CyberShadow | Pappa_: ? |
| 13:01.33 | Pappa_ | works here. |
| 13:01.35 | MobyTurbo | CyberShadow: ps/2 != imps/2 |
| 13:01.50 | Pappa_ | ZAxisMapping = "4 5" works in most setups |
| 13:01.58 | MobyTurbo | Pappa_: no = |
| 13:02.01 | Pappa_ | or "6 7", "5 6" etc |
| 13:02.02 | elysium702 | xk: I am. I think the patch was for 2.4.x kernel tree. :-S I found another patch, and that broke my entire kernel source. lol |
| 13:02.09 | Pappa_ | yeh forgot that |
| 13:02.15 | CyberShadow | thanks, I'll try that |
| 13:02.30 | elysium702 | xk: I found this from the manufacturers website now, perhaps I should start off with a fresh kernel source and try it: http://www.ite.com.tw/product_info/file/pc/LinuxDriver_it8212_092005-09.zip |
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| 13:02.41 | Guerin | CyberShadow: you'll need "Option" at the start, too |
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| 13:02.49 | Guerin | but once again |
| 13:03.07 | Guerin | CyberShadow: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:03.25 | marowiliams | sorry who can help me about a problem with a server sarge |
| 13:03.35 | Guerin | othwerwise when you use debconf to edit this config file next time, the changes won't take |
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| 13:03.41 | sep | marowiliams: just ask |
| 13:03.43 | Guerin | marowiliams: details |
| 13:03.53 | xk | elysium702: ok. hang... I'll tell you after I've investigated :) |
| 13:04.14 | CrypticSquared | marowiliams: apart from running "slow" what is the problem? |
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| 13:04.33 | marowiliams | is running very slow, i've checked the connection that's ok without collisions |
| 13:04.47 | sep | marowiliams: start with top |
| 13:04.51 | elysium702 | xk: cheers |
| 13:04.56 | Guerin | WHAT server? |
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| 13:05.05 | CrypticSquared | marowiliams: is the lan/net connection or is the apps running slow? |
| 13:05.15 | Guerin | you mean the whole box is slow, or the http server is slow, or the pop server is slow, or what? |
| 13:05.42 | CrypticSquared | lol |
| 13:06.01 | marowiliams | the apps are slow the connection is ok, top show this top - 15:04:10 up 69 days, 40 min, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.08, 0.08 |
| 13:06.01 | marowiliams | Tasks: 218 total, 1 running, 217 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 13:06.01 | marowiliams | Cpu(s): 0.3% user, 4.8% system, 0.0% nice, 94.9% idle |
| 13:06.01 | marowiliams | Mem: 905408k total, 891680k used, 13728k free, 186648k buffers |
| 13:06.01 | marowiliams | Swap: 2717256k total, 119328k used, 2597928k free, 316028k cached |
| 13:06.01 | *** kick/#debian [marowiliams!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 13:06.08 | Guerin | ffs |
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| 13:06.21 | marowiliams | top - 15:04:10 up 69 days, 40 min, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.08, 0.08 |
| 13:06.21 | marowiliams | Tasks: 218 total, 1 running, 217 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 13:06.21 | marowiliams | Cpu(s): 0.3% user, 4.8% system, 0.0% nice, 94.9% idle |
| 13:06.21 | marowiliams | Mem: 905408k total, 891680k used, 13728k free, 186648k buffers |
| 13:06.21 | marowiliams | Swap: 2717256k total, 119328k used, 2597928k free, 316028k cached |
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| 13:06.27 | Guerin | fucking hell |
| 13:06.28 | Pappa_ | lol |
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| 13:06.35 | jm_ | this gets better with each second ;) |
| 13:06.35 | CrypticSquared | what does ffs mean? |
| 13:06.36 | Guerin | !tell marowiliams about paste |
| 13:06.52 | queuetue | Heh. Does anyopne mind if I paste an ls of /etc? :) |
| 13:06.52 | elysium702 | Guerin: for f***'s sake |
| 13:06.58 | xk | elysium702: you just want to access the drives... not boot from them? |
| 13:07.01 | marowiliams | is not possible paste |
| 13:07.03 | Pappa_ | anyone mind if i /exec - -o cat /dev/urandom |
| 13:07.05 | Pappa_ | ? |
| 13:07.12 | mikkel | it got a intel 82845G graphic card, what driver i best ? |
| 13:07.17 | Guerin | marowiliams: then don't paste into the channel, use #flood |
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| 13:07.40 | elysium702 | xk: I'd like to compile it into the kernel, if at all possible, rather than as a module. Because I'd like to set up GRUB to be able to boot Winblows, too. (or else my friend will forever drive me crazy). :-) |
| 13:07.45 | Pappa_ | anyone actually monitors #flood? |
| 13:08.05 | xk | elysium702: why not install grub on the IDE-only drive? |
| 13:08.25 | Guerin | nooo |
| 13:08.35 | paster | "marowiliams" at 62.110.135.75 pasted "top - 15:04:10 up 69 days, 40" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/380 |
| 13:08.35 | Guerin | the last honest member of #debian has quit! |
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| 13:08.54 | mikkel | is it normal that vesa only can run in 16 bit mode ? |
| 13:08.56 | p88 | hi is there anyone who uses firestarter here? |
| 13:08.58 | elysium702 | xk: it is. there is one HD not on the ITE8212, the GNU/Linux one (which has GRUB in the mbr). But GRUB cannot see the other HD's on the ITE8212 in order to boot off them. |
| 13:09.04 | Guerin | mikkel: depends on the card |
| 13:09.08 | sep | p88 no we all use shorewall |
| 13:09.11 | queuetue | p88, Not anymore - it seemed flaky. |
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| 13:09.13 | mikkel | i got a intel 82845G |
| 13:09.20 | p88 | queuetue: what is flaky? |
| 13:09.22 | Pappa_ | firewall was tacky |
| 13:09.23 | xk | elysium702: it doesn't matter if you compiled the kernel with the driver or not... the kernel hasn't even booted then. |
| 13:09.30 | xk | elysium702: in grub. |
| 13:09.32 | mikkel | and the graphic in X looks bad :( |
| 13:09.46 | Guerin | !tell mikkel about set up x |
| 13:09.47 | queuetue | p88, untrustworthy, and doing several things in a hidden fashion. |
| 13:09.48 | CrypticSquared | how does one make a script repeat if it gets an output of say $2? |
| 13:09.55 | p88 | oh |
| 13:10.09 | xk | CrypticSquared: try a bash tutorial. |
| 13:10.12 | queuetue | p88, Sure is pretty, though. :) |
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| 13:10.13 | resiak | CrypticSquared: #bash , #sh |
| 13:10.15 | Pappa_ | CrypticSquared: explain.. ? |
| 13:10.17 | Guerin | CrypticSquared: use an if $? = $2 |
| 13:10.19 | elysium702 | xk: hmm, but I have no experience in how to boot other OS's from GRUB without knowing where the HD's actually are, if you know what i mean. In the BIOS the boot device is listed as "SCSI" |
| 13:10.20 | CrypticSquared | resiak: thankyou |
| 13:10.29 | CrypticSquared | Guerin: thankyou |
| 13:10.35 | Pappa_ | == maybe? |
| 13:10.49 | Guerin | Pappa_: not exact syntax |
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| 13:10.53 | p88 | sep: How is the setup of shorewall? |
| 13:10.58 | Guerin | since I can't remember it :) |
| 13:11.01 | xk | elysium702: ok... partitions in grub are like (hdX,Y)... where X is 0,1,2,3... and Y is 0,1,2,3.... |
| 13:11.11 | queuetue | I'm considering a high-end video card - is anyone having a good experience with one right now? Am I *forced* to use proprietary drivers if I want good acceleration? |
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| 13:11.18 | p88 | sep: Not with webmin is it? |
| 13:11.19 | resiak | queuetue: Yes. |
| 13:11.20 | sep | p88 very easy imho, even easier if you use the examples and tutorials on www.shorewall.net |
| 13:11.26 | Guerin | queuetue: definitely. |
| 13:11.27 | p88 | good :) |
| 13:11.29 | elysium702 | xk: yes. But then what is the number of a HD on the unkown controller. How would I find out? |
| 13:11.32 | Pappa_ | uhm.. the comparison operators are probably the same for just about every sane language |
| 13:11.34 | resiak | queuetue: The longer answer is "nvidia is your _only_ sane option." |
| 13:11.39 | sep | p88: text files you edit and run /etc/init.d/shorewall restart |
| 13:11.46 | resiak | Pappa_: Oberon-2 uses = and # for == and != :| |
| 13:11.47 | xk | elysium702: trial and error until you find the same number of partitions on the drive as you've set on the drive ;) |
| 13:11.48 | p88 | very nice |
| 13:12.06 | Pappa_ | resiak: "sane". |
| 13:12.16 | resiak | Pappa_: Haskell uses /= for != |
| 13:12.18 | sep | elysium702: for grub to spot your raid it needs to know how to read it, it wont read your gigaraid you'll need a boot floppy or a /boot partition on a ide drive |
| 13:12.19 | p88 | queuetue: Do you know what things firestarter does bad? |
| 13:12.23 | queuetue | resiak, And that's nvidia with the proprietary drivers? |
| 13:12.28 | resiak | queuetue: Yes. |
| 13:12.29 | Pappa_ | "sane" |
| 13:12.31 | Pappa_ | lol |
| 13:12.36 | resiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.36 | xk | sep: it's set as IDE mode. |
| 13:12.37 | resiak | \ |
| 13:12.37 | nevyn | meh oberon is a cool name for a language. |
| 13:12.41 | xk | sep: should work as normal ide drive. |
| 13:12.42 | elysium702 | xk: Fun. Does this mean that the ITE8212 will not work at all under Linux? |
| 13:12.43 | resiak | !lose me |
| 13:12.43 | marowiliams | it's possible that my server sarge is very slow beacause the are manu processes in sleeping mode |
| 13:12.44 | dpkg | resiak: You Lose. |
| 13:12.44 | queuetue | p88, I didn't keep a journal or anything - whjy not install it and try it? |
| 13:12.53 | Guerin | nevyn: it sounds like a race from Star Trek |
| 13:13.00 | p88 | queuetue: I have firestarter now |
| 13:13.04 | queuetue | p88, you can always apt-get remove it. |
| 13:13.05 | resiak | Pappa_: Don't get me into "Is Haskell Sane?". |
| 13:13.05 | xk | elysium702: you're barking up the wrong tree... you _must_ try grub... trial and error until you find the drive and partition of windows. |
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| 13:13.24 | xk | elysium702: kernel driver is irrelevent when it comes to grub. |
| 13:13.24 | Pappa_ | resiak: might be. never looked into it. i said "just about" ;) |
| 13:13.26 | PerfDave | resiak: Somebody renamed the factoid I wrote then. |
| 13:13.27 | sep | xk, elysium702 in grub you can use tab compleation to see what drives grub have recogniced |
| 13:13.37 | xk | sep: I know that... but does he know that? :) |
| 13:13.45 | sep | xk hopefully now |
| 13:13.51 | xk | I did forget to mention tab completion to guess it |
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| 13:14.02 | resiak | !sane |
| 13:14.03 | dpkg | i guess sane is Scanner Access Now Easy... S.A.N.E.. a project aiming to make scanning easy on Linux, so if you own a scanner.. or are about to buy one.. check out the page -> http://www.mostang.com/sane/ or restricted to SCSI scanners except one or two parallels ; apt-get install sane |
| 13:14.13 | xk | do "rootnoverify (hdX,0)" "chainloader +1", b to boot... and increment X until it boots into windows |
| 13:14.18 | xk | if it works.. there's your windows drive. |
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| 13:14.49 | elysium702 | xk: I understand. But I had two reasons for wanting it. a) Easier to work out the numbering in GRUB. b) I would actually like to use one of the large HD's on the ITE8212 as a shared drive. |
| 13:15.15 | xk | elysium702: not really... it's easier with trial and error. |
| 13:15.29 | xk | elysium702: so what's the problem? you want to solve two problems at once? how about one at a time? |
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| 13:16.16 | Guerin | resiak: itym kkurumin and the kuruminions |
| 13:16.19 | thorleif | Hi, what program do i use to make my x11 reachable via vnc? |
| 13:16.20 | Guerin | s/kk/k/ |
| 13:16.29 | resiak | Guerin: KKKurumin and the KKKuruminions? |
| 13:16.33 | dexter__ | thorleif: A vnc server? |
| 13:16.33 | elysium702 | xk: You're right. I'm kinda getting ahead of myself here. I'll work out the GRUB issue then I'll tackle the ITE8212 controller under Linux. cheers for your help. |
| 13:16.39 | torc | what X terminal emulator do you recommend? |
| 13:16.40 | Guerin | resiak: that's going tooo fffar |
| 13:16.46 | sep | tho!x11vnc |
| 13:16.48 | sep | ,o!x11vnc |
| 13:16.50 | sep | !x11vnc |
| 13:16.50 | dpkg | from memory, x11vnc is a vnc server for displaying the running x session, or http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 13:16.52 | Guerin | torc: rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 13:16.58 | thorleif | dexter__: yeah, but i cant get it to work with my REAL x11 desktop |
| 13:17.00 | resiak | Guerin: Okkk. |
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| 13:17.12 | xk | elysium702: driver issue in the kernel seems like a non-issue... you need to load sr_mod, sd_mod and iteraid... and it should be detected. |
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| 13:17.32 | torc | Guerin: if i dont need any Unicode support, should i try the rxvt-ml? |
| 13:17.45 | Guerin | torc: just rxvt on its own |
| 13:17.46 | elysium702 | xk: aha, so there's no point in this proprietry driver? |
| 13:18.07 | Guerin | torc: ml is multi-language - only useful if you need to swap languages or use cjk |
| 13:18.09 | Pappa_ | thorleif: x11vnc -display :0 |
| 13:18.15 | Pappa_ | works like a charm. |
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| 13:18.16 | xk | elysium702: for grub booting, no need for it. for using the drives attached to the controller in linux, yes - you need it. |
| 13:18.26 | torc | Guerin: yeah, ml is nice. |
| 13:18.31 | torc | Guerin: thanks. |
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| 13:18.41 | elysium702 | xk: I understand this. |
| 13:19.22 | Vegar | How can I log iptables' ULOG/LOG target to its own file? |
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| 13:19.39 | jm_ | Vegar: with ulog or syslog-ng |
| 13:19.39 | thorleif | Pappa_: ty |
| 13:19.47 | Pappa_ | :) |
| 13:20.08 | elysium702 | xk: btw. what is sd_mod and sr_mod? |
| 13:20.14 | Vegar | jm_: ah, with ulog I just need ulogd |
| 13:20.23 | xk | elysium702: scsi disk module, scsi... hrm... good question :) |
| 13:20.24 | Pappa_ | scsi_disk_mod and something something |
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| 13:20.35 | Pappa_ | scsi raid maybe |
| 13:20.37 | TBBle | scsi removable. (CD roms) |
| 13:20.37 | xk | nah. |
| 13:20.38 | Pappa_ | =/ |
| 13:20.41 | jm_ | Vegar: yes, then you define where ulogd will dump the data to (database, file, ...) |
| 13:20.41 | xk | yep. removeable. |
| 13:20.46 | Pappa_ | ah. |
| 13:20.48 | Vegar | jm_: great |
| 13:20.49 | Vegar | jm_: thanks |
| 13:20.59 | Vegar | I should've checked it out earlier |
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| 13:21.08 | elysium702 | right |
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| 13:21.26 | aliasd | heyas, i have a sarge box that im using as a media centre.... plays movies on my projector |
| 13:21.26 | Pappa_ | do you need scsi emulation for a pendrive? i just assumed that i do need it.. |
| 13:21.36 | Pappa_ | fun. |
| 13:21.46 | xk | yeah. |
| 13:22.06 | jm_ | there's also low performance USB storage driver, but I haven't tried using it yet |
| 13:22.16 | aliasd | problem is, i just traded out the cdrom for a dvd-rw, and i cant mount dvds, mount claims it cant find any medium... any help? |
| 13:22.18 | MobyTurbo | Pappa: pen drives don't use SCSI emulation, they act completely as SCSI devices as far as the OS is concerned. |
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| 13:22.34 | Pappa | cool. *rmmod* |
| 13:22.42 | caQ | Hello i have a dual xeon system.. Is it possibel to lock a process with nice to one cpu? |
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| 13:22.59 | xk | caQ: hrm... have a look at chaff. |
| 13:23.12 | resiak | Pappa: ITYM modprobe -r |
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| 13:23.17 | RRT | OK if I am understanding this correctly, to change vga mode in console at boottime you add vga=791 to the kopt line in grub/menu.lst? |
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| 13:23.26 | caQ | xk: program chaff? |
| 13:23.32 | paines | hi |
| 13:23.33 | Guerin | RRT: 800x600x24 |
| 13:23.39 | Pappa | RRT: depends on what resolution you want |
| 13:23.44 | Pappa | RRT: try vga=ask as well |
| 13:23.59 | aliasd | am i missing something from my kernel? |
| 13:24.08 | Guerin | vga=ask doesn't yield pretty framebuffer modes |
| 13:24.27 | caQ | xk: ? |
| 13:24.31 | xk | caQ: hang on. |
| 13:24.36 | Pappa | vga was never pretty. vesa rocks. |
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| 13:25.07 | w0ls0n | How do I enable setuid in Perl? |
| 13:25.17 | xk | caQ: http://people.redhat.com/mingo/set-affinity-patches/chaff.c |
| 13:25.20 | Pappa | dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 13:25.21 | saintiss | hi. it seems that "who" lists users who started a vnc server, and then shut it down again. I'd expect "who" to not display entries for shut down vnc servers... Is that a bug? |
| 13:25.27 | Guerin | !iyhtays w0ls0n |
| 13:25.28 | dpkg | w0ls0n: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 13:25.32 | renegad3 | i have a problem with postfix, i telnet to port 25 and get a greeting, i type 'ehlo host.com' and get a response, but then when i try to do 'mail from:<user@host.com> it just hangs |
| 13:25.35 | RRT | ok, i think it is saying to make the change to the line in the start default options section leaving the comment in place, then run update-grub ? |
| 13:25.37 | kaner | w0ls0n: chmod 4755 `which perl` ? |
| 13:25.46 | w0ls0n | I don't use debian. I am helping someone else. |
| 13:25.54 | caQ | xk: do you mind be go priv? |
| 13:26.03 | xk | apt-get install perl-suid |
| 13:26.06 | Guerin | w0ls0n: if s/he has to ask, s/he shouldn't |
| 13:26.06 | xk | caQ: go for it. |
| 13:26.08 | Pappa | and apt-get install perl-suid |
| 13:26.10 | Pappa | beat me to it |
| 13:26.13 | renegad3 | i am getting the following errors in my /var/log/mail.log: http://www.pastebin.com/264286 |
| 13:26.18 | resiak | xk: Usage of this program is now strongly deprecated upstream and support (along with this package) will probably be removed in 5.10. |
| 13:26.25 | w0ls0n | Guerin: thats a stupid thing to say |
| 13:26.34 | renegad3 | can anyone assist? |
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| 13:26.51 | Guerin | w0ls0n: no, it's not. suid is dangerous and should be used only by people who know how to work it |
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| 13:27.09 | marowiliams | sorry who can check the paste of top, my server sarge is running very slow and i want investigate to undenstand where is the problem >> http://channels.debian.net/paste/380 |
| 13:27.12 | w0ls0n | I know what it does and I know how it works. Thanks. |
| 13:27.24 | kaner | w0ls0n: did you read what i wroteß |
| 13:27.25 | kaner | ? |
| 13:27.36 | w0ls0n | kaner: yes, thank you. |
| 13:27.40 | kaner | fine |
| 13:27.46 | Pappa | my wan connection is so great, todays peak is 0.5K |
| 13:27.55 | w0ls0n | xk: ty as well |
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| 13:28.08 | Guerin | rrowr |
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| 13:28.11 | Pappa | marowiliams: do a "top" see if something is hogging your cpu time |
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| 13:29.45 | marowiliams | sorry Pappa what do you mean wiht "hogging" |
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| 13:30.00 | Pappa | marowiliams: using way more than it should |
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| 13:32.23 | sep | marowiliams: you have low cpu usage anad no load in what way is your server 'slow' ?? |
| 13:32.54 | Pappa | is the net speed slow? |
| 13:33.03 | saintiss | hi. it seems that "who" lists users who started a vnc server, and then shut it down again. I'd expect "who" to not display entries for shut down vnc servers... Is that a bug? |
| 13:33.11 | sep | marowiliams: verify that you have no networking issues espessialy hlaf/full duplex issues |
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| 13:33.40 | Pappa | saintiss: if they've logged out, something is wrong, yeah |
| 13:33.40 | marowiliams | Pappa: no the net connection is ok without any collisions |
| 13:33.46 | aliasd | help! why cant i read dvds on sarge? :( |
| 13:33.51 | sep | saintiss: who shows users logged in regardless of vnc or not |
| 13:34.20 | saintiss | Pappa, they've logged out because the vnc server process is dead, but maybe not in a graceful way... Do you know where "who" gets its information? |
| 13:34.21 | marowiliams | i've cheched with ifconfig and mii-tool eth0 |
| 13:34.30 | saintiss | sep, of course... |
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| 13:34.44 | jc-denton | i have an ext3 file sys with journaling, is it safe to turn off pass in fstab |
| 13:34.46 | jc-denton | ? |
| 13:34.52 | jc-denton | eg set to 0 |
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| 13:35.39 | sep | saintiss: try ps aux | grep username of a user that's suposed to be logged out, and see if there is any residual ps's |
| 13:35.44 | Pappa | saintiss: no idea |
| 13:35.46 | caphuso | jc-denton: no |
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| 13:36.25 | sep | marowiliams: well try to explain what you mean with slow. what you experience in detail. your very obscure |
| 13:37.06 | saintiss | sep, there aren't |
| 13:37.08 | jc-denton | caphuso: why not? |
| 13:37.09 | marowiliams | for example before to have a webapage i must wait one minut |
| 13:37.21 | Kzim | i really need to know if the dir .ICE-unix and .X11-unix in /tmp owned by root with all right are normal please |
| 13:37.35 | ezhdeha | kzim: yes they are normal |
| 13:38.02 | jc-denton | i tought journaling would take care of data consistency |
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| 13:38.15 | ezhdeha | kzim: both get created when the X server fires up |
| 13:38.17 | sep | marowiliams: now that sounded like a dns timeout |
| 13:38.20 | caphuso | jc-denton: uh, maybe because you still need to run fsck? |
| 13:38.40 | sep | marowiliams: your sure all nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf is available and answers rapidly |
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| 13:38.55 | Pappa | try mii-tool -A 100baseTx-FD eth0 , marowiliams.. i had a similar problem with a realtek card, somehow i had to restart the autoneg to make it function properly |
| 13:38.56 | _joey | who's good at configuring XFree86?:) |
| 13:38.59 | jc-denton | caphuso: probably |
| 13:39.00 | caphuso | jc-denton: where did you get the idea from that this wouldn't be necessary anymore? |
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| 13:39.09 | ezhdeha | _joey: what do u need done ? i'll have a go for you |
| 13:39.15 | jc-denton | it's not necessary for reiserfs |
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| 13:39.23 | jc-denton | 'becasue it has journaling' |
| 13:39.43 | jc-denton | so i was wondering why it should be necessary for ext3 with journaling |
| 13:39.47 | caphuso | jc-denton: bullshit |
| 13:39.53 | PerfDave | jc-denton: Journalled filesystems still need occasional fscking. |
| 13:39.57 | _joey | www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/log www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/XF86Config-4 , problem: AGP not available |
| 13:40.04 | _joey | ezhdeha: |
| 13:40.12 | tga | just like anything else |
| 13:40.20 | ezhdeha | _joey: u an ozzie ? |
| 13:40.28 | jc-denton | PerfDave: ok.. |
| 13:40.30 | sep | jc-denton: http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/ext3/ext3-usage.html |
| 13:40.31 | MobyTurbo | jc-denton: the only reason why you want to turn it off for reiserfs is because reiserfsck is broken |
| 13:40.50 | _joey | fuccckkk |
| 13:40.55 | sep | jc-denton: and read the line where it says, it's your own responsibility to do periodic checking |
| 13:40.58 | jc-denton | hey i read that in some guide of ibm |
| 13:41.31 | Kzim | ezhdeha: i have no X server |
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| 13:42.02 | ezhdeha | Kzim: really? that's strange then - have u EVER had an xserver on that machine ? |
| 13:42.07 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 13:42.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:42.15 | Kzim | ezhdeha: never |
| 13:42.21 | xk | wud? :) |
| 13:42.39 | _joey | i think the problem is xfree86 |
| 13:42.48 | Kzim | ezhdeha: but they are both umpty |
| 13:42.50 | ezhdeha | _joey: what video card u got ? |
| 13:42.59 | _joey | for fuck's sake man |
| 13:42.59 | Kzim | sep: seems all work good :) |
| 13:43.00 | ezhdeha | Kzim: i wouldn't stress over it |
| 13:43.00 | jc-denton | thx for explaining |
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| 13:43.02 | _joey | it's in the log file |
| 13:43.10 | Kzim | ezhdeha: okay thx |
| 13:43.12 | _joey | a volunteer to help |
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| 13:43.14 | _joey | :) |
| 13:43.31 | ezhdeha | _joey: yes, my bad |
| 13:43.46 | marowiliams | sep: nameservers are available and answer right |
| 13:43.50 | ezhdeha | _joey: i hate setting up ATI cards |
| 13:44.16 | ezhdeha | _joey: u got the ati drivers for it ? or r u using the built-in ones ? |
| 13:44.18 | sep | marowiliams: well then i'd look into duplex issues even if you say it is correct. |
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| 13:44.25 | MobyTurbo | !r |
| 13:44.25 | dpkg | hmm... r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
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| 13:45.03 | xk | hah |
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| 13:45.50 | resiak | !ops aYCa\ is a pr0nbot |
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| 13:46.07 | ezhdeha | _joey: i sold my ati card because of similar woes - but from memory, there are conflicts with agpart - and u have to do some memory allocation yourself |
| 13:46.15 | marowiliams | sep: sunday is entered the legal time ... this can create problem with some apps |
| 13:46.23 | ezhdeha | _joey: but the last time I attempted that was back in the 3.9.0 driver days |
| 13:46.31 | ezhdeha | _joey: i hear it's better these days though |
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| 13:46.59 | misfitx7 | why is there a free porn video message on entrance of the channel |
| 13:47.00 | resiak | xk: Thanks :) |
| 13:47.15 | resiak | misfitx7: We just fixed it. |
| 13:47.18 | resiak | s/We/xk/ |
| 13:47.28 | MobyTurbo | misfitx7: because of a spambot xk just kick/banned |
| 13:47.35 | misfitx7 | ok |
| 13:47.41 | misfitx7 | just checking |
| 13:48.19 | MobyTurbo | misfitx7: in the future if nothing is being done about it report it to the ops with !ops so-and-so is a spambot |
| 13:48.20 | PEACEYALL | how do i change my debian system from hard dirve 2 to my hard drive 1 ? |
| 13:48.35 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 13:48.45 | jharrisonwk | PEACEYALL: all kinds of ways to do that |
| 13:48.49 | xk | PEACEYALL: is hard drive 1 a clean drive? |
| 13:48.50 | misfitx7 | im trying to get kismet to work, i just upgraded to 2.6.8, which wireless driver does it use |
| 13:48.58 | PEACEYALL | no i wat to format it |
| 13:49.02 | PEACEYALL | it has my windows |
| 13:49.09 | PEACEYALL | want* |
| 13:49.16 | xk | and nothing else? |
| 13:49.17 | jm_ | PEACEYALL: read hard disk upgrade mini howto |
| 13:49.28 | Pappa | then format it |
| 13:49.32 | PEACEYALL | xk no nothing else |
| 13:49.39 | PEACEYALL | Pappa with cfdisk? |
| 13:49.39 | xk | you have to know what you are doing :) otherwise bad things will happen. |
| 13:49.43 | ezhdeha | _joey: my advice is to follow the directions from the ati site http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst/linux.html |
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| 13:50.00 | PitchForkLinux | hey all. Currently trying to configure Raid 0 on 2 120 Gig SATA drive on a mother board that has VIA SATA. Deb Sarge recognizes each SCSI SATA Drive and can install individually, however when I configure RAID0 with the drives system fails to write partitions. Anyone know of any issues with the via_sata driver. Anyone know how I might fix this? |
| 13:50.03 | Pappa | yes, partiton it with cfdisk, then mksomefs /dev/hdaX |
| 13:50.04 | xk | my weapon of choice would be fdisk + dd + resize2fs ;) |
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| 13:50.13 | Pappa | like mke2fs, mkreiserfs etc |
| 13:50.21 | xk | then boot from cdrom with grub. |
| 13:50.23 | PEACEYALL | wat does dd do |
| 13:50.24 | PEACEYALL | ? |
| 13:50.24 | jharrisonwk | ati? |
| 13:50.28 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: man dd |
| 13:50.28 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 13:50.30 | jharrisonwk | whats the problem? |
| 13:50.33 | PEACEYALL | okok |
| 13:50.37 | ezhdeha | _joey: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.10.19.html |
| 13:50.37 | Pappa | PEACEYALL: reads and writes blocks of data. |
| 13:50.41 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: short answer: moves bits from one place to another |
| 13:50.44 | PEACEYALL | oh ok |
| 13:50.49 | PEACEYALL | ty |
| 13:50.57 | xk | PitchForkLinux: avoid pseudo hardware IDE raid. |
| 13:51.06 | PEACEYALL | xk why do i have ot boot with cdrom with grub? |
| 13:51.34 | xk | PEACEYALL: actually.. you don't... just need to write grub to the "new" drive. and change etc/fstab and boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:51.36 | PEACEYALL | to* |
| 13:51.43 | xk | but there's different ways to do things |
| 13:52.11 | Marticus | hrm |
| 13:52.12 | PEACEYALL | id rather write that grub file now |
| 13:52.28 | xk | PitchForkLinux: better off with linux software raid. atleast if the hardware dies, you can put it into a new system and it will work without probs |
| 13:52.33 | Pappa | dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hdb and some resizefs thingie. |
| 13:52.37 | xk | PitchForkLinux: try that with the raid info on the actual mb. |
| 13:52.46 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 13:52.46 | xk | Pappa: good idea to set bs to 100k aswell. |
| 13:52.47 | Pappa | of=/dev/hda* |
| 13:52.52 | PitchForkLinux | xk. I was using linux software raid |
| 13:52.55 | PEACEYALL | ok... , ill just reformat first |
| 13:52.58 | Pappa | yeh so he doesnt wait 20 hours for it |
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| 13:53.44 | _joey | valdyn_ are you here? |
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| 13:54.02 | Pappa | dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hda bs=100K ... should do it |
| 13:54.03 | PitchForkLinux | xk. psuedo hardware.... would that be my sata ports on my mother board |
| 13:54.18 | Guerin | wtf, korean government recommends linux |
| 13:54.24 | xk | PitchForkLinux: if you're using linux software raid, ignore my bit on pseudo hardware raid ;) |
| 13:55.01 | xk | PitchForkLinux: if you want help... would be better to paste what you typed, and what error you got. |
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| 13:55.10 | Pappa | well, they're all communists |
| 13:55.32 | Guerin | Pappa: hah, sorry, should have specified South Korean |
| 13:56.10 | Pappa | still communist blood flowing in them |
| 13:56.11 | Pappa | :p |
| 13:56.12 | PitchForkLinux | ok. That is what I was using. My bios is not configured for sata raid. I set up raid0 striped using linux software raid. When I do that and try to write the partitions to the raid, I get a failure |
| 13:56.36 | Guerin | Pappa: all blood is communist. |
| 13:56.56 | Pappa | meh |
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| 13:56.57 | Guerin | Pappa: you don't see the heart setting up a stall to sell oxygen and nutrients, do you? |
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| 13:57.02 | PitchForkLinux | ah.. I'm using sarge installer not manual install |
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| 13:57.37 | PitchForkLinux | so I can't cut and paste into chat |
| 13:57.41 | xk | ahh.. hrm. |
| 13:57.42 | Pappa | Guerin: how do you know it doesnt? maybe the heart is pushing oxygen on the blood cells |
| 13:57.45 | mobius | is there a list of 802.11g pci and/or usb devices supported by debian stable somewhere? where? |
| 13:57.54 | Pappa | at an insane cost. |
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| 13:58.47 | Guerin | Pappa: some cost; clearly keeps it in business. |
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| 14:00.17 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
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| 14:00.52 | Guerin | yeah, ok, this is one of today's stupider discussions |
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| 14:01.05 | misfitx7 | how do i find which version of the orinoco driver the 2.6.8 kernel uses? |
| 14:01.06 | daft | what is nice easy to configure dns server? |
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| 14:01.49 | PEACEYALL | gah |
| 14:02.11 | PEACEYALL | i went into cfdisk and highlited the drive i wanted to format , nwo hwo do i format it? |
| 14:02.11 | saintiss | ok, apparently who displays a user if it's in /var/run/utmp... does anyone know the way to remove an entry from utmp? |
| 14:02.16 | saintiss | seems like a binary format |
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| 14:02.32 | MobyTurbo | PEACEYALL: cfdisk partitions, not formats. |
| 14:02.41 | PEACEYALL | oh |
| 14:02.45 | PEACEYALL | tthen how do i format it |
| 14:02.52 | Guerin | saintiss: can you use something like slay to kill the user? |
| 14:03.06 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: mkfs.ext3 |
| 14:03.10 | MobyTurbo | PEACEYALL: that depends upon what file system you're using |
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| 14:03.38 | saintiss | Guerin, in this case that won't be a good idea, since it's root |
| 14:03.39 | PEACEYALL | MobyTurbo, that drive is a NTFS drive |
| 14:03.43 | Faithful | so are we all migrating to ubuntu? |
| 14:03.47 | PEACEYALL | i need to format it to be a linux drive |
| 14:03.49 | PerfDave | Faithful: God no. |
| 14:03.55 | Guerin | saintiss: so why do you want who to not show root? |
| 14:04.01 | Faithful | PerfDave: why so? |
| 14:04.02 | MobyTurbo | PEACEYALL: delete the NTFS partition then |
| 14:04.15 | PEACEYALL | huh |
| 14:04.17 | PerfDave | Faithful: Ubuntu offers me no advantages, and several huge disadvantages. |
| 14:04.17 | PEACEYALL | from where |
| 14:04.18 | PEACEYALL | ? |
| 14:04.31 | Faithful | PerfDave: Say more. |
| 14:04.41 | PerfDave | Faithful: No, distribution advocacy is offtopic :p |
| 14:04.47 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: you want to nuke the whole drive? |
| 14:04.48 | saintiss | Guerin, I had it happening with a different user first, so I tried reproducing it with root... point is, root started a vnc server (as a test), and then shut it down again... Still, there remains an entry for it in "who", and thus in utmp |
| 14:05.01 | Breeder | I have a abit nforce2 board and when I transfer data from hda to hdb or other hard disk located in another controller (highpoint 370A) the transfer speed is less than 8 MB/s, if I transfer data from any disk connected to the highpoint controller to hda/hdb I get 30+MB/s, what is wrong here? (all disks are using udma5) |
| 14:05.07 | Guerin | saintiss: hrm, interesting. |
| 14:05.10 | PEACEYALL | Guerin i want to format it so then i can change my linux to that harddrive |
| 14:05.15 | Faithful | PerfDave: Ratbag!!! This is Debian... You are allowed to praise Debian in here! |
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| 14:05.23 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: so just use mkfs.ext3 on it |
| 14:05.38 | mwilson | Faithful: Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 14:05.49 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 14:05.54 | saintiss | Guerin, I noticed that e.g. gdm has a special command in its PostSession directory (i.e. it is executed after each session): it's sessreg, and takes -u /var/log/utmp as a parameter |
| 14:05.57 | xk | Breeder: hdparm /dev/hda and /dev/hdb, show the unmaskirq and using_dma value. |
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| 14:06.05 | saintiss | however, I tried executing that, but it didn't do anything in this case |
| 14:06.15 | saintiss | even though the manual says it is used to remove an entry from utmp |
| 14:06.17 | Guerin | saintiss: this is way over my head :) |
| 14:06.27 | saintiss | mine too, that's the problem ;) |
| 14:06.52 | PEACEYALL | so Guerin i use "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1" ? |
| 14:07.07 | jaybuffet | ok so i'm having nfs issues.... i'veonly set up one other nfs share and it went very smooth, so i'm trying to duplicate the process, but its not working. Im getting a permission denied error. Im sure im just missing a setting somewhere |
| 14:07.07 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: is that the partition you want to format? |
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| 14:07.20 | PEACEYALL | ya |
| 14:07.20 | Faithful | I am pretty settled on Debian... been around the traps a fair bit... RH, Slack, BSDs but some folk describe ubuntu and "Debian taken to the next level" |
| 14:07.25 | PEACEYALL | it has my windows drive |
| 14:07.33 | Guerin | jaybuffet: do the troubleshooting section of the nfs howto on tldp.org |
| 14:07.50 | caphuso | Faithful: what they mean is "newer gnome version" |
| 14:07.50 | jaybuffet | ok |
| 14:07.51 | Guerin | jaybuffet: but the most common ime is: you're root |
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| 14:07.56 | PEACEYALL | Guerin so thats what i do ya? |
| 14:08.03 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: affirmative |
| 14:08.04 | PerfDave | Faithful: OK, Debian has a much more effective and useful community support structure, and the applications I use on a day to day basis aren't supported "professionally" by Ubuntu, so I'd lose out if I switched. I don't like Ubuntu's focus on release frequency over stability. I do appreciate that they have a more recent release with security updates, but have yet to be convinced that their infrastructure is up to handling security as well as Debia |
| 14:08.11 | jaybuffet | and thats a problem ? |
| 14:08.19 | Breeder | xk: /dev/hda and /dev/hdb unmaskirq = 1 (on) using_dma = 1 (on) |
| 14:08.20 | PEACEYALL | ok ty |
| 14:08.29 | Guerin | jaybuffet: yeah, nfs doesn't allow root in by default |
| 14:08.43 | Faithful | PerfDave: well said. |
| 14:08.45 | jaybuffet | Guerin: that would be the problem then i suppose |
| 14:08.46 | caphuso | PerfDave: their infrastructure is just fine. after all, they only need to take care of a few hundred packages |
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| 14:09.15 | Guerin | and they have a fairly large number of actual debian developers who already look after said packages for debian |
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| 14:09.27 | xk | Breeder: hrm... I wouldn't know :( |
| 14:09.28 | Faithful | I noticed also that they will only support a release with updates for 18 months |
| 14:09.30 | PerfDave | caphuso: If a small package base was any guarantee of things being "fine", why do so many people have problems with Ubuntu in the first place? ;) |
| 14:09.34 | BadMan | arg... |
| 14:09.47 | xk | Breeder: what FS are you using? on the drive you are writing to that is having problems? |
| 14:10.10 | Guerin | the issue for me is focus: ubuntu is focussed on ease-of-use, not robustness or sanity |
| 14:10.21 | Guerin | PerfDave: which package? |
| 14:10.26 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 14:10.27 | Guerin | perl |
| 14:10.41 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: Emacs, it's the OS |
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| 14:10.55 | Breeder | xk: ext3 in all drives, no problems except that transfer problem and is just in one way |
| 14:10.57 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: PerfDave isn't a huge fan of emacs |
| 14:11.04 | PerfDave | Guerin: If I had a problem with Debian's ease of use, I'd consider switching. But I don't, and find Debian easier to use than Ubuntu because it's not centred around bloody Gnome ;) |
| 14:11.05 | BadMan | I am wanting to try knopix or some other live eval dabian based cdrom on my laptop but it does not boot from cdrom... is there a boot floppy anyone prefers as the cdrom does not contain a boot.img for floppy as specified in their FAQ... |
| 14:11.10 | xk | Breeder: no warnings/errors from "dmesg"? |
| 14:11.14 | Guerin | PerfDave: emacs |
| 14:11.23 | Guerin | PerfDave: by which I mean: "word" |
| 14:11.40 | MobyTurbo | !based on Debian |
| 14:11.40 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 14:11.44 | PerfDave | Just a package called "perf", which prints "What Would Perf Do?" out on your screen, in a "helo world" stylee. |
| 14:11.49 | Breeder | xk: not a single one |
| 14:11.56 | Faithful | BadMan: I'm sure if you upgraded your bios it would boot form cdrom |
| 14:12.05 | PerfDave | s/helo/hello/ # this ain't SMTP |
| 14:12.12 | BadMan | Faithful: IBM ThinkPad 760XL...... |
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| 14:12.45 | Faithful | BadMan: what cpu? |
| 14:13.00 | BadMan | Faithful: p166 intel |
| 14:13.12 | Faithful | :-/ |
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| 14:13.29 | BadMan | hehe I know its old but I love it... |
| 14:13.32 | Faithful | BadMan: Did you try checking out a new bios from IBM site? |
| 14:13.37 | BadMan | looking now |
| 14:13.56 | Faithful | My main laptop is a 390X |
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| 14:14.10 | Faithful | Celereon 400 |
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| 14:14.27 | Guerin | old laptops own |
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| 14:14.36 | marowiliams | Pappa: I want try to do mii-tool -A 100baseTx-FD eth0 but I'm afraid that this command will lost the connection |
| 14:15.02 | Faithful | The fact that all these distros are "based on debian" says something about debian |
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| 14:15.29 | Faithful | I don't see the same list for "based on redcarp" except for e-smith |
| 14:15.54 | mlt | Any suggestions for a reliable free newsserver (no posting access needed)? |
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| 14:16.10 | wishie | i want to be able to remotely run X on my server machine..what is the best way to go about this ? |
| 14:16.21 | PerfDave | Faithful: Mostly it says that people are idiots who can't cope with Debian being a modular distro. Agnula was fine as the demudi package repository. |
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| 14:16.35 | PerfDave | wishie: What do you mean by "remotely run X"? |
| 14:16.38 | PEACEYALL | ok i finished formating now what do i do Guerin |
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| 14:16.54 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: do what you like, it's your box |
| 14:16.55 | wishie | PerfDave: well, login to X from a mates house, for example.. like vnc ? |
| 14:17.04 | Guerin | wishie: ssh -X |
| 14:17.23 | PEACEYALL | Guerin , i want to transfer my linux to the other harddrive which is the formatted one, how do i do that?? |
| 14:17.30 | PerfDave | wishie: Do you want to log in to an existing X session from a remote system? Or just run applications on your system and display them on another machine? |
| 14:17.47 | wishie | PerfDave: login to an existing session |
| 14:17.58 | directhex|work | !x11vnc |
| 14:17.58 | dpkg | well, x11vnc is a vnc server for displaying the running x session, or http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 14:18.39 | PerfDave | wishie: Then you want vnc and some rfb server. |
| 14:18.43 | directhex|work | or the gnome/kde vnc servers will do the job |
| 14:18.44 | ar | wishie: KDE also has the feature you are looking for. |
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| 14:19.05 | wishie | directhex|work: i have KDE installed on the box..so KDE has some builtin vnc thing ? |
| 14:19.14 | Faithful | Thanks to the guys at AT&T for VNC but is sure is slow and does some funny things on a windows box |
| 14:19.24 | PEACEYALL | Guerin do u know how i can do that or no |
| 14:19.30 | PerfDave | krfb - KDE Remote Screen Server |
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| 14:19.36 | daft | I want to add a nameserver to /etc/resolv but the dhcp client remove the extra enty |
| 14:19.36 | wishie | that will only working from within KDE though ? so i cant vns into, say, KDM ? |
| 14:19.37 | directhex|work | wishie, yes it does. look in kcontrol |
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| 14:20.20 | PerfDave | You might also want to look at freenx instead of VNC, I've heard good things about it. |
| 14:20.31 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: cp -a and then reinstall the bootloader to the MBR |
| 14:20.32 | wishie | freenx ? |
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| 14:21.00 | PEACEYALL | Guerin i have just been using linux for 7 months i dont know what reinstall bootloader to the MBR means :/ |
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| 14:21.08 | xk | lol |
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| 14:21.33 | jaybuffet | why does kvim shrink whenever i open it |
| 14:21.36 | xk | PEACEYALL: take some time out and understand it... or... learn through your own mistakes. |
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| 14:22.00 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: then you should reconsider what you're doing, or go read some doc to find out. The grub documentation is pretty dense, but it does tell you what to do. |
| 14:22.48 | PEACEYALL | gah |
| 14:22.52 | PerfDave | PEACEYALL: Bootloaders and MBRs are not Linux-specific concepts. |
| 14:22.55 | PEACEYALL | im too lazy ill do it another time |
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| 14:23.49 | PerfDave | Guerin: The Grub documentation has been totally fucking useless whenever I've needed to consult it :/ |
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| 14:23.53 | kaner | jaybuffet: i think this is a bug in gtk |
| 14:24.11 | arpp | hey, anyone heard of repview - Report viewer v1.01 before? |
| 14:24.16 | kaner | jaybuffet: i needed to downgrade my gtk-libs in order to get rid of it |
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| 14:25.00 | PEACEYALL | ok i gtg ill ask somene else when i come back c ya l8er guys :/ |
| 14:25.00 | Guerin | PerfDave: worked for me - all I ever needed to do was install, edit and update, though. |
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| 14:25.19 | PerfDave | Guerin: Half the options in the configuration file are undocumented, or poorly documented. |
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| 14:29.26 | xk | what's with all the ppl leaving/dying? |
| 14:29.32 | qubit | I was using dhcp originally, but now I want it to use a static ip and hostname. I changed /etc/network/interfaces, but the new network config got clobbered (I think by dhclient). I can kill dhclient, but where is it being started on boot? |
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| 14:30.01 | Guerin | qubit: use rcconf or sysv-rc-conf to disable it |
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| 14:30.18 | qubit | guerin: ok |
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| 14:30.29 | PerfDave | qubit: dhclient should be called only when you've specified dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces. Have you removed all references to dhcp there? |
| 14:30.55 | Guerin | qubit: but if you don't have an auto eth0 \n iface eth0 dhcp \n in interfaces, it shouldn't do that |
| 14:30.58 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 14:31.17 | qubit | hmm. |
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| 14:32.24 | qubit | currently /etc/network/interfaces looks like: auto lo \ iface lo inet loopback \ auto eth0 \ iface eth0 inet static \ address x.x.x.x \ netmask x.x.x.x \ gateway x.x.x.x |
| 14:32.30 | qubit | (plus comments) |
| 14:32.45 | qubit | do I need the auto eth0 line? |
| 14:33.04 | xk | yes |
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| 14:33.17 | xk | purge dhcp clients if you don't them any more. |
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| 14:33.41 | qubit | xk: yeah, fair enough |
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| 14:33.58 | Guerin | qubit: if that's really all you have, it should be fine |
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| 14:34.41 | stupendo44 | hey, I'm trying to get debian to work on a virtual pc. Can this be done? I |
| 14:34.50 | stupendo44 | 'I'm having a problem with the video |
| 14:34.54 | stupendo44 | ing kdm |
| 14:35.01 | stupendo44 | starting kdm |
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| 14:35.32 | Faithful | usually they have some sort of generic X driver for virtual machines |
| 14:35.40 | qubit | what's bugging me is that I changed over /etc/network/interfaces, ssh'ed to a couple of other boxes and everything seemed to check out fine. Then the next day I couldn't find the box -- ping, ssh, nothing -- (and by luck tried to connect to the old DDNS name). |
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| 14:35.55 | stupendo44 | that's what I thought |
| 14:36.10 | stupendo44 | do you think vesa in X config should work? |
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| 14:36.27 | Faithful | stupendo44: I reckon its a fair shot |
| 14:36.43 | mwilson | No, more likely configuring it for the documented video interface in VPC will work. |
| 14:36.44 | qubit | And the thing is that the computer didn't go down (I have another computer that doesn't come back on after power outage on the same circuit). |
| 14:36.50 | mwilson | Don't you have the documentation? |
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| 14:37.28 | stupendo44 | no docs |
| 14:37.36 | qubit | Hmm. If dhclient was still active, is it possible that the lease on the ip address expired and it went through the motions to get a new ip address (and overwrote the static ip address, etc... ?) |
| 14:37.39 | wishie | if i want to be able to remotely login to KDM (via VNC or something), i should just install x11vnc ? |
| 14:37.44 | mwilson | Next time don't steal your software. |
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| 14:38.08 | stupendo44 | are you accusing me? You have no idea |
| 14:38.18 | stupendo44 | and don't worry about it anyways |
| 14:38.18 | Octavian | rehi |
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| 14:38.28 | Octavian | anyone using UML with sarge? |
| 14:38.31 | Faithful | qubit: did you /etc/init.d/network restart after? |
| 14:38.48 | stupendo44 | I wasn't aware that microsoft had documentation to get linux to work on vpc |
| 14:38.57 | qubit | Faithful: yep |
| 14:39.03 | mwilson | <shrug> If you hadn't, you'd just call MS and find out what the video interface was. |
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| 14:39.46 | stupendo44 | who calls ms? |
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| 14:39.54 | stupendo44 | that's what I'm here for |
| 14:40.01 | stupendo44 | If anybody else has done it... |
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| 14:40.27 | Faithful | qubit: well it could be that the arp address on the dhcp server never updated and you connected to the box from the dhcp server ?!? |
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| 14:41.22 | Faithful | one needs to clear arp cache after such network witchery (on occasions) |
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| 14:42.02 | Faithful | Had the actual IP address of the box reverted? |
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| 14:43.06 | Faithful | virtual PC Hmm |
| 14:43.20 | Faithful | Micro$oft |
| 14:43.30 | wishie | if i dont want to _use_ X locally on a machine, but purely want to export it so i can login remotely and use X, is vnc still the best option ? |
| 14:43.56 | Faithful | wishie: ssh -C -X |
| 14:44.14 | wishie | do i have to run that from a currently running X session ? |
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| 14:44.29 | wezo1 | finally |
| 14:44.38 | wezo1 | guys can anybody help me |
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| 14:44.45 | wezo1 | i wanna install linux debian |
| 14:44.46 | Faithful | wishie: yes |
| 14:44.50 | wishie | what i would like, is for this PC to boot, load X and export it. if thats possible. |
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| 14:45.12 | Faithful | which pc |
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| 14:45.17 | directhex|work | sounds llike a job for xdmcp, insecure as it is |
| 14:45.18 | wishie | well, boot, load kdm, and export it |
| 14:45.41 | wishie | so remotely, i can vnc to it or whatever, and login. |
| 14:45.53 | qubit | Faithful: right -- the ip address of the box reverted, and interestingly enough the Dynamic DNS name worked as well. I say "interestingly" because to get that to work I'd had to put an extra line in my dhclient.conf file to kick the dhcp server to connect the name and my ip address. When I put in the new config for a static ip, I'd removed that line from dhclient.conf. So yeah, something funky was going on ! ;-) |
| 14:45.58 | wishie | i think this is similar behaviour to ms terminal services ? |
| 14:46.49 | nomed^ | does someone know when the new stable will be released? |
| 14:47.02 | Faithful | qubit: did /etc/network/intefaces revert? |
| 14:47.06 | caphuso | nomed^: no |
| 14:47.15 | qubit | Faithful: no. |
| 14:47.30 | Faithful | funky indeed |
| 14:47.40 | Faithful | what happens weh |
| 14:47.53 | Faithful | when you reboot (if you have the luxury) |
| 14:47.58 | qubit | Faithful: I just killed dhclient and I'm going to apt-get remove dhclient... |
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| 14:48.15 | Guerin | qubit: i wouldn't do that. You might need it one day |
| 14:48.38 | Faithful | chances are you WILL need it soon |
| 14:48.48 | qubit | yeah... :-/ |
| 14:48.54 | Guerin | dhclient, ppp and pppoe are things that should be on any machine, in case you need to move it somewhere with different network settings |
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| 14:49.39 | Faithful | qubit: well as long as it is not being funky now |
| 14:49.43 | qubit | well, I'll try a reboot sometime in the next couple of days. Hopefully what I saw was just dhclient clawing its way back on top for one last hurrah... |
| 14:49.53 | qubit | *shakes fist at dhclient* |
| 14:50.13 | Faithful | I have _never_ seen that happen before |
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| 14:50.32 | ep | I've installed the same version of Firefox using apt-get and It gives me different icons (window bar and menu). I miss the little yellow fox guy wrapped around the globe. He's gone and I just have a plain blue globe like IE or somthing. Where did he go? |
| 14:50.32 | FieldySnuts | @hump Hottest-Chick-Ev |
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| 14:50.42 | Guerin | hah |
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| 14:50.56 | wishie | for an X session to be exported, must it even be displayed on the server machine ? |
| 14:51.02 | Faithful | ep he went to the land on Gnome |
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| 14:51.14 | ep | damn |
| 14:51.16 | Faithful | s/on/of |
| 14:51.17 | Guerin | ep: the mozilla logos aren't dfsg-free, and can't be distributed by debian |
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| 14:51.32 | ep | ah |
| 14:51.32 | Guerin | ep: if you want them, use static builds from mozilla.org |
| 14:51.45 | Guerin | s/logos/artwork/ |
| 14:51.49 | FieldySnuts | wankers (mozilla) |
| 14:51.58 | qubit | Faithful: son of a what? :-) |
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| 14:52.02 | Zepticon | Hi all... im thinkin on trying debian, but im not shure what iso-file to download. Im runing AMD-64bit system. can someone please help me? |
| 14:52.17 | symTouch | I want to update the timestamp on a symlink. But, when I ``touch'' a symlink, the target of the symlink is changed. How do I change the timestamp of a symlink? |
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| 14:52.44 | Guerin | Zepticon: #debian-amd64, unless you want to just run 32-bit x86 |
| 14:52.47 | caphuso | symTouch: ln -sf |
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| 14:52.55 | Faithful | qubit: funny ... It was a correction |
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| 14:53.07 | cutie^19^f | heeeeeey |
| 14:53.12 | PerfDave | Zepticon: You can run i386 on amd64, just follow the i386 instructions; Sarge has amd64-specific kernels. Or you can run the unofficial, unstable Debian-amd64 port but it might not be a great idea for a Debian newcomer. |
| 14:53.18 | Faithful | qubit: but of course you know that |
| 14:53.21 | Guerin | ah yea, another .il-tard |
| 14:53.22 | qubit | Faithful: ;-) |
| 14:53.37 | symTouch | caphuso: ok, tnx |
| 14:53.42 | Faithful | cutie^19^f: is looking for a boyfriend |
| 14:53.43 | cutie^19^f | guys |
| 14:53.47 | cutie^19^f | hh |
| 14:53.50 | cutie^19^f | yeah ! |
| 14:53.55 | cutie^19^f | listen |
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| 14:54.04 | cutie^19^f | can u help me a little bit |
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| 14:54.12 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: You can see where Mozilla are coming from with their policy. These issues are all still under discussion anyway. |
| 14:54.20 | PerfDave | !tell cutie^19^f -about enter |
| 14:54.27 | Zepticon | Guerin and PerfDave; thx! |
| 14:54.48 | simmerz | I used to be able to config mysql to listen to a different IP address as well as localhost, but now that the default is to use bind-address rather than skip-networking, i can't remember how it was done. any ideas? |
| 14:55.14 | PerfDave | cutie^19^f: If you ask a sensible Debian-related question, we'll probably be able to help you. |
| 14:55.16 | cutie^19^f | is debian 3 r4 new ? |
| 14:55.30 | Guerin | cutie^19^f: not really |
| 14:55.43 | PerfDave | cutie^19^f: It's fairly new, it was released quite recently. It contains the latest security patched versions of older software. |
| 14:55.52 | ep | Ah okay, any tips on buiding Firefox staticly? I'm fairly new. I've managed building stuff, but I'm not quite clear on how do it the Debain way where it gets integrated with the package manager (or whatever "the Debian way" means). |
| 14:55.53 | Faithful | PerfDave: cutie^19^f is only looking for a boyfriend (anyone with that nick must be) |
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| 14:56.15 | Faithful | ep just download it |
| 14:56.23 | cutie^19^f | i downloaded it |
| 14:56.29 | Faithful | ep: it's binary package |
| 14:56.34 | ep | ah |
| 14:56.34 | cutie^19^f | but the installation process is so hard |
| 14:56.35 | kneet | jpilot - was working b4 the easter break - just come back and nada. Get lots of lines like "Failed, unable to back up database AddressDB" in the log. Have tried wiping my .jpilot dir and starting from scratch - didn't help - any hints as to where to look next welcome |
| 14:56.38 | PerfDave | ep: Just use the Debian firefox, logos really aren't all that important. If you have to use upstream, compile it into /usr/local and use "/msg dpkg equivs" to tell apt that it's there. |
| 14:56.43 | Bigup | Faithful: i'ts a nick to force men to answer ... |
| 14:56.49 | Guerin | !be a installation process barbie |
| 14:56.49 | PerfDave | cutie^19^f: What problem are you having with the installation process? Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 14:56.49 | dpkg | awwww, installation process is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 14:56.51 | ep | ok |
| 14:57.03 | BadMan | Faithful: no bios updates available for the 760xl to support booting from cdrom.... dangit! |
| 14:57.05 | wishie | hmm |
| 14:57.12 | wishie | perhaps ill get more help if i do that.. |
| 14:57.26 | wishie | ./nick easy^19^lesbian |
| 14:57.27 | wishie | heh |
| 14:57.28 | cutie^19^f | shopping is easier :p |
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| 14:58.36 | wishie | or a web address |
| 14:58.41 | cutie^19^f | anyway , whay other linux versions have a graphical installation while debian hasn not ! |
| 14:58.46 | wishie | www.justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 14:59.18 | caphuso | because other distributions suck |
| 14:59.24 | caphuso | next question |
| 14:59.31 | Guerin | cutie^19^f: debian doesn't need one, because gui installers are not easier than curses installers |
| 14:59.35 | PerfDave | cutie^19^f: Graphical installations are not necessarily "easier" than curses-based ones. The Debian installer works a dozen machine architectures, not all of which have GUI capabilities. Having a GUI installer means you can't install over a serial console, for example. |
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| 15:00.09 | wishie | hahaha |
| 15:00.11 | wishie | this is classic |
| 15:00.25 | PerfDave | cutie^19^f: If you're really having trouble, try using the new Sarge installer, which will give you the soon-to-be-released Debian 3.1. This has newer software but no security updates, so use at your own risk. |
| 15:00.29 | PerfDave | !d-i cutie^19^f |
| 15:00.30 | dpkg | cutie^19^f, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 15:00.32 | PerfDave | wishie: I've got my helpful hat on :) |
| 15:00.38 | stew | the debian installer is graphical |
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| 15:00.41 | Faithful | wishie: That's funny |
| 15:00.48 | Faithful | wishie: the url |
| 15:00.53 | wishie | yeah, i know. |
| 15:00.58 | wishie | but true. |
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| 15:01.22 | Faithful | wishie: some harassed hacker put that there |
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| 15:01.59 | Garp | Hi. |
| 15:02.04 | wishie | They gave you a link to this site as a joke. The fact that you followed it pretty much proves the point. |
| 15:02.07 | wishie | heh |
| 15:02.08 | wishie | i love that part. |
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| 15:02.36 | BadMan | lol |
| 15:02.48 | BadMan | that s funny I think I will bookmark it... |
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| 15:02.54 | navinRjohnson | hi |
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| 15:03.29 | wishie | ooer, you can actually use it to search too..hahaha |
| 15:03.37 | wishie | http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=foo+bar |
| 15:03.53 | stew | !fgi wishie foo+bar |
| 15:03.54 | dpkg | wishie: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=foo+bar |
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| 15:04.22 | wishie | rofl |
| 15:04.31 | wishie | this conversation has been had before, it seems. |
| 15:04.42 | navinRjohnson | not a question 'zactly, but i can't seem to mute my mic on my live! card...4.6.10 kernel, alsa deally loaded |
| 15:04.42 | Garp | Question: I'm trying an installation using the doc here: "http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/ch04s05.html#files-newworld". It uses the new installer. But I cant find how to perform an install over the netword. I install vmlinux and such, but then, the installer ask me for some "ISO" file I dont have. Any help ? Thanks. |
| 15:04.47 | Faithful | wishie: did you find the easter egg? |
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| 15:05.29 | cutie^19^f | dpkg : i got to page : http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ please visit it , is this debian sarge the easier to install |
| 15:05.31 | dpkg | cutie^19^f: what are you talking about? |
| 15:05.33 | wishie | Faithful: nope :( |
| 15:05.34 | navinRjohnson | oh yeah, sid as well |
| 15:05.43 | wishie | i didnt look though, to be honesty |
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| 15:05.51 | wishie | honest too |
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| 15:06.17 | cutie^19^f | you told me that sarge is easier to install .. |
| 15:06.27 | m0p | Woot, I finally have 2mbit! Go me! I have tons of updates to download, bbl. |
| 15:06.31 | Guerin | hah |
| 15:06.38 | xk | cutie^19^f: go install windows. it's so cute. |
| 15:06.42 | Guerin | 2 megabit, you poor bastard :) |
| 15:06.50 | Guerin | barbieOS!!!1 |
| 15:06.56 | stew | cutie^19^f: that appears to be sarge |
| 15:07.10 | wishie | Faithful: you find it ? |
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| 15:07.18 | stew | cutie^19^f: which is d-i, which is easier, yes |
| 15:07.24 | cutie^19^f | but its 14 CD's !! |
| 15:07.36 | stew | cutie^19^f: you only need the first, or a netinst |
| 15:07.51 | Garp | stew: How do one perform a network install ? |
| 15:07.53 | lord_rob | Hi ! I have both "mpkg-j2se" and "make-jpkg" installed on my box. I suppose both names design the same program. Which one should I keep ? Is it normal I have both versions ? |
| 15:07.56 | navinRjohnson | netinst is great |
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| 15:08.11 | Garp | stew: I'm grying but the installer keeps asking for "iso" |
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| 15:08.18 | Petrov | nederlands? |
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| 15:08.32 | stew | Garp: what cd did you start with? |
| 15:08.45 | Garp | stew: No CD: i want a network install. |
| 15:09.01 | stew | Garp: you mean from floppies? or pxe? |
| 15:09.04 | Garp | stew: using hd boot. |
| 15:09.04 | abrotman | !d-i cutie^19^f |
| 15:09.05 | dpkg | cutie^19^f, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:09.12 | Guerin | !nl |
| 15:09.12 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 15:09.29 | Guerin | Petrov: yeah, no dutch channel, sorry |
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| 15:09.44 | cutie^19^f | dpkg : do i need to download 14 cd's ? |
| 15:09.47 | Petrov | ok |
| 15:09.51 | Faithful | m0p|apt-getting: I will have 22Mbit soon |
| 15:09.51 | stew | Garp: can you do a chroot install with debootstrap? |
| 15:09.56 | xk | hah |
| 15:10.04 | greycat | !8ball Do I need to download 14 CDs? |
| 15:10.05 | dpkg | Negative. |
| 15:10.14 | stew | cutie^19^f: i told you. only the first or a netinst. dpkg is a bot |
| 15:10.17 | greycat | !botsnack |
| 15:10.17 | dpkg | :), greycat |
| 15:10.42 | Garp | stew: it's a mac where no linux is installed. I boot the kernel from a small partition using the openfirware |
| 15:10.47 | Faithful | ADSL2+ will be in my town in the next 6 monts (22Mbit -- I can't wait) |
| 15:10.52 | cutie^19^f | ok , but when i intsall only the first one , can i get into a desktop .. |
| 15:11.02 | greycat | cutie^19^f: yes. |
| 15:11.05 | Garp | stew: I follow the doc and copy vmlinux and initrd there. It boot the installer.... |
| 15:11.13 | simmerz | Faithful: where is your home town? |
| 15:11.21 | Faithful | Adelaide AU |
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| 15:11.23 | Garp | stew: but then the installer doesnt give me any way to start from network. |
| 15:11.29 | stew | Garp: what doc? |
| 15:11.32 | simmerz | Faithful: b*****d |
| 15:11.33 | xk | Faithful: internode eh? |
| 15:11.39 | Faithful | Adam |
| 15:11.51 | Garp | stew: here: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/ch04s05.html#files-newworld |
| 15:11.54 | Faithful | xk you in Adelaide? |
| 15:11.55 | Garp | (and around) |
| 15:11.58 | xk | who cares about .au bandwidth. japan has 100mbit fibre |
| 15:12.02 | xk | Faithful: nope. perth. |
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| 15:12.22 | Garp | stew: it was working very well with woody, but woody kernel is too old for my hardware :( |
| 15:12.28 | simmerz | yeah and the poxy UK is pissing about just about to manage 8Mbit |
| 15:12.30 | abrotman | cutie^19^f: do you have broadband? |
| 15:12.43 | Faithful | xk: but is 100mbit expensive? |
| 15:12.50 | stew | Garp: maybe ask in #debianppc |
| 15:12.53 | simmerz | Faithful: probably not knowing the japs |
| 15:12.54 | xk | Faithful: 60$AU/month. |
| 15:12.54 | ix | millibit? |
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| 15:13.10 | Faithful | That's sick |
| 15:13.12 | Garp | stew: if it was on x86 it would work ? |
| 15:13.17 | xk | Faithful: my friend has 30mbit/2mbit but with cable tv... 100$/month |
| 15:13.18 | greycat | !tell cutie^19^f about msg |
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| 15:13.36 | greycat | fucking .il trolls. |
| 15:13.40 | xk | hehehe. |
| 15:13.44 | greycat | probably fend0r again, or one of his buddies |
| 15:13.45 | Faithful | you could DOS most companies of the internet with that sort of bandwidth |
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| 15:13.53 | Garp | stew: afaik the installer is the same, only the boot method (lilo or OF) is different |
| 15:13.55 | stew | Garp: booting from openfirmware to an installer? no that would not work on a x86 |
| 15:13.55 | simmerz | and 2MB here costs about 35-40GBP/month |
| 15:14.03 | bimmerd00d | Eclipser: you awake yet? |
| 15:14.15 | dvs | simmerz: ouch! |
| 15:14.18 | simmerz | yep |
| 15:14.21 | Garp | stew: yes, but you can do it from lilo or something |
| 15:14.21 | Darien | we pay $40 CDN for 3 meg down, 1 meg up |
| 15:14.24 | simmerz | pisstake |
| 15:14.27 | xk | heh |
| 15:14.34 | petemc | simmerz: it can be cheaper than that, i pay 25 |
| 15:14.38 | cutie^19^f | greycat |
| 15:14.38 | Garp | stew: and then, will the inbstaller accept to get the rest forom network ? |
| 15:14.41 | dvs | Darien: I pay $30CDN/month for the same thing |
| 15:14.43 | simmerz | petemc: static IP? |
| 15:14.44 | xk | how much quota? or is there no such thing? |
| 15:14.46 | Faithful | 99$AU for 1.5/256 |
| 15:14.48 | bimmerd00d | Darien: damn that's cheap, i pay $49US for the same connection |
| 15:14.50 | Darien | dvs: we get 5 IPs and business-class service |
| 15:14.52 | petemc | simmerz: nah, no need for it |
| 15:14.59 | simmerz | petemc: makes all the difference |
| 15:15.00 | cutie^19^f | can i talk with on pv. please ? |
| 15:15.05 | dvs | Darien: Now that's cool |
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| 15:15.09 | petemc | simmerz: not really |
| 15:15.11 | Darien | dvs: :D |
| 15:15.17 | Darien | dvs: <heart> Montreal |
| 15:15.18 | bimmerd00d | I had a 6.0/1.5 for $69 at one point, then they cut that service out |
| 15:15.22 | xk | Faithful: 256 up is fucking worthless. using the downlink 100%, you use 25% uplink just for the ACKs. |
| 15:15.26 | greycat | cutie^19^f: no. I answered your question. There was no need to repeat it, in more verbose form, and *certainly* not in /msg. |
| 15:15.29 | Faithful | cutie^19^f: wants to talk in private |
| 15:15.30 | navinRjohnson | is my inability to mute my mic onna SB live with 2.6.10 kernel an alsa problem or a module problem ? |
| 15:15.46 | Faithful | xk: Yup |
| 15:16.05 | Faithful | but 22/2Mbit will be just the same |
| 15:16.07 | stew | Garp: did you put a netinst image on the hard drive? |
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| 15:16.11 | bimmerd00d | anyone here know anything about asterisk? |
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| 15:16.33 | Faithful | bimmerd00d: ask in #asterisk |
| 15:16.35 | Garp | stew: no. It used to work without any image' of anything. |
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| 15:16.41 | bimmerd00d | is that on this server? i didn't see it |
| 15:16.47 | stew | Garp: i have no idea what you are doing |
| 15:16.47 | Garp | stew: is that not the case now ? |
| 15:16.52 | Faithful | bimmerd00d: yup |
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| 15:17.00 | bimmerd00d | ahh thanks |
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| 15:17.06 | abrotman | !asterisk |
| 15:17.06 | dpkg | i guess asterisk is a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable |
| 15:17.13 | abrotman | i think #asterisk is for developers |
| 15:17.23 | bimmerd00d | says i need to be identified to join that channel.... |
| 15:17.24 | Garp | stew: I used just to install a kernel and initrd. The it would boot and ask for netword info. I would give it, then it would download the rest from the netword |
| 15:17.24 | bimmerd00d | :( |
| 15:17.28 | daft | france 500 BC entrie france is occupid by the roman legion.... entire france no a small village keeps resising |
| 15:17.29 | Faithful | bimmerd00d: I usually jsut try and see |
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| 15:17.36 | bimmerd00d | how do i get identified? |
| 15:17.38 | daft | that asterisk? |
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| 15:17.41 | Faithful | bimmerd00d: then identify yourself |
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| 15:17.55 | bimmerd00d | Faithful: i'm new to all this, how do i do that? |
| 15:17.57 | stew | Garp: i don't know how you think you are going to install with just a kenrel and not use an installer |
| 15:17.57 | xk | Faithful: yer but good luck saturating the link. |
| 15:18.02 | Garp | stew: see here for a doc: http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html |
| 15:18.10 | xk | Faithful: 1.5 is easy to do. 22mbps is pretty much impossible to do 24/7. |
| 15:18.11 | Leonardo_Lopes | leonardo@DickVigarista:~$ totem |
| 15:18.12 | Leonardo_Lopes | libhal.c 2282 : Error sending msg: Service "org.freedesktop.Hal" does not exist |
| 15:18.12 | Leonardo_Lopes | leonardo@DickVigarista:~$ |
| 15:18.12 | Leonardo_Lopes | How can I solve this? |
| 15:18.12 | *** kick/#debian [Leonardo_Lopes!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 15:18.18 | stew | Garp: you see there, i'm not going to read the docs for you |
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| 15:18.25 | Garp | stew: the installer is in teh initrd, i guess |
| 15:18.44 | Garp | stew: that's not what I'm asking |
| 15:18.45 | Faithful | xk: 1.5 is real easy to do... I could run it flat out if I didn't have VoIP |
| 15:18.56 | BadMan | OT: My 760XL does not support booting from cdrom, and there is no bios update that allows this. Suggestions for booting a knoppix cd to check out the system prior to wiping it? |
| 15:19.28 | xk | if telstra just made upstream unrestricted speed, that would be cool. |
| 15:19.32 | xk | but no... they're tight asses. |
| 15:19.34 | Garp | stew: Not knowing the answer is not a reason to instult the one asking... |
| 15:19.34 | Faithful | bimmerd00d: /msg nickserv iodentiry password |
| 15:19.52 | Faithful | bimmerd00d: man that's some bad spelling :) |
| 15:19.58 | Garp | stew : anyway. I'll try the ppc cvhanel, they may know. |
| 15:20.12 | bimmerd00d | Faithful: NickServ- Unknown command [iodentiry] |
| 15:20.16 | bimmerd00d | taht's what i got back |
| 15:20.20 | Garp | bebye |
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| 15:20.24 | markybob_away | bimmerd00d, spell it correctly |
| 15:20.26 | greycat | bimmerd00d: please engage brain. |
| 15:20.27 | Faithful | bwahahaha |
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| 15:20.33 | markybob_away | bimmerd00d, identify |
| 15:20.41 | voyd | how would i completely remove mysql from my system? |
| 15:20.46 | bimmerd00d | i left my brain in my other pants |
| 15:20.51 | greycat | voyd: man apt-get |
| 15:20.53 | Faithful | voyd: rm -rf / |
| 15:20.57 | greycat | Faithful: not. |
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| 15:21.02 | bimmerd00d | Faithful: same response when i did that |
| 15:21.07 | drac | Faithful?! |
| 15:21.08 | greycat | bimmerd00d: /msg nickserv help |
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| 15:21.43 | voyd | heh |
| 15:22.02 | ch_ | how to clone a debian system? I use dpkg --get-selection > file, and then?? |
| 15:22.16 | xk | then dpkg --set-selections < file on the other system |
| 15:22.21 | xk | then apt-get upgrade? |
| 15:22.31 | ch_ | thanks |
| 15:22.32 | voyd | how about this.. how do i remove libmysqlclient (all versions) from my system. i cant do it with apt-get remove or with dpkg |
| 15:22.33 | greycat | xk: and then dselect install |
| 15:22.34 | xk | or cat file | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 15:24.24 | bimmerd00d | How do i get identified to join a channel? |
| 15:24.32 | stew | bimmerd00d: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:24.40 | Faithful | ch_:q |
| 15:25.00 | Faithful | can anyone tell I use vi ? |
| 15:25.59 | Faithful | drac: ?! |
| 15:25.59 | ch_ | Faithful: I can't tell |
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| 15:26.05 | arpee | hey, it's true we can set severl IP's for an interface right? |
| 15:26.25 | greycat | arpee: yes |
| 15:26.38 | Faithful | arpee aliases |
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| 15:27.01 | arpee | how to give each alias a different MAC address? |
| 15:27.09 | voyd | when i do a dpkg -l | grep libmysql i get a result of 'rc libmysqlclient 4.1.10a-2', but when i try to remove it, it doesnt exist |
| 15:27.19 | voyd | is the full name just not being shown to me? |
| 15:27.38 | Faithful | voyd: just remove libmysqlclient |
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| 15:27.56 | voyd | with dpkg or apt? |
| 15:28.08 | Delph | "rc" |
| 15:28.12 | Faithful | either (without the version) |
| 15:28.13 | POVaddct | voyd: status of the package is rc (removed, but config files kept) |
| 15:28.20 | Delph | r = "remove", c = "config files" |
| 15:28.29 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 15:28.29 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:28.31 | voyd | ok but i need to remove the config files |
| 15:28.46 | greycat | voyd: man dpkg, search for purge |
| 15:28.51 | greycat | voyd: read the GOD DAMNED FAQ, too. |
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| 15:29.37 | voyd | Faithful: removing without version tells me its not installed |
| 15:29.42 | Faithful | bimmerd00d: did you get into * yet |
| 15:29.45 | voyd | greycat: i know how to purge but its saying its not installed. |
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| 15:30.04 | greycat | !errors |
| 15:30.04 | Pappa | then you'll have to reinstall it :p |
| 15:30.04 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 15:30.12 | greycat | Pappa: not. |
| 15:31.08 | cutie^19^f | listen when i download sarge (only the first cd) , after finishing the installation , can i get to the desktop |
| 15:31.17 | cutie^19^f | or only the black screen |
| 15:31.43 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:31.46 | markybob_away | yeah. |
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| 15:31.56 | greycat | and that one's an untimed /ignore, too. |
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| 15:32.01 | caphuso | cutie^19^f: you specifically? i doubt it |
| 15:32.17 | WarDead | does anyone know a good free fps for linux? |
| 15:32.19 | cutie^19^f | funny ! |
| 15:32.28 | arpee | ? |
| 15:32.33 | directhex|work | WarDead, wolfenstein enemy territory |
| 15:32.46 | directhex|work | WarDead, or america's army online, if that floats your boat |
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| 15:33.03 | FieldySnuts | both of those are pretty good |
| 15:33.21 | directhex|work | i'm more a ut2004 guy |
| 15:33.22 | cutie^19^f | one more question :) by the time i finish installing it shows the black screen not the desktop , should i write something ? |
| 15:33.27 | WarDead | meh |
| 15:33.42 | directhex|work | cutie^19^f, debian doesn't install any "desktops" unless you ask it to |
| 15:33.45 | WarDead | i'll just have to find my UT2k4 cd's "somewhere" again |
| 15:33.48 | markybob | "the black screen"...where am i? |
| 15:34.12 | greycat | markybob: being trolled in #debian. |
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| 15:34.35 | xk | lol |
| 15:35.00 | markybob | thank you |
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| 15:35.01 | Faithful | caphuso: why did you do that? |
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| 15:35.06 | caphuso | Faithful: because i got sick of that stupid troll |
| 15:35.19 | markybob | ah, the power of the op |
| 15:35.20 | Faithful | troll? |
| 15:35.28 | greycat | Faithful: you're next in line. |
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| 15:36.02 | caphuso | and don't see anyone with a brain complaining about the ban |
| 15:36.13 | POVaddct | Faithful: obviously, a troll |
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| 15:36.32 | Faithful | just asked what a troll is? |
| 15:36.45 | caphuso | look it up in the jargon file |
| 15:36.50 | Faithful | Ok |
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| 15:37.15 | Faithful | caphuso: are you related to RIchard Morrel? |
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| 15:37.50 | caphuso | Faithful: i don't think so |
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| 15:39.05 | FarrisG | Is there any sort of tool (with a small footprint) to monitor centrally the resources (mem, cpu, swap, thrashing, uptime, kernel errors, etc.) on a bunch of debian servers? |
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| 15:39.54 | St0n3-C0l | How do I reconfigure MTA ? |
| 15:39.59 | caphuso | St0n3-C0l: which one? |
| 15:40.02 | greycat | St0n3-C0l: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 15:40.03 | St0n3-C0l | exim4 |
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| 15:40.16 | St0n3-C0l | Thanks :) |
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| 15:40.56 | Asycas | how do i add new users to my sarge desktop? ^^" |
| 15:41.00 | caphuso | adduser |
| 15:41.12 | Asycas | thanks :) |
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| 15:41.39 | xam | FarrisG: look for gmond |
| 15:41.57 | Asycas | 'adduser' doesn't work... |
| 15:42.20 | Asycas | oh it does, sorry ^^" |
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| 15:42.50 | vampire | hi guys |
| 15:42.52 | xam | FarrisG: to be more specific: "ganglia-monitor" |
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| 15:42.55 | caphuso | which braindamaged gamer slang does ^^" come from and what's its meaning? |
| 15:43.05 | vampire | how can i take a screenshot of my desktop? (gnome) |
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| 15:43.10 | markybob | i'm not familiar with it |
| 15:43.10 | caphuso | vampire: /msg dpkg sshot |
| 15:43.13 | greycat | vampire: /msg dpkg screen shot |
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| 15:43.25 | greycat | !literal sshot |
| 15:43.25 | dpkg | sshot is <reply> see screenshot |
| 15:43.33 | vampire | thn |
| 15:43.33 | vampire | x |
| 15:43.35 | greycat | !literal screen shot |
| 15:43.35 | dpkg | screen shot is <reply> see screenshot |
| 15:43.38 | greycat | jeez. |
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| 15:43.59 | Burning | hey how's it going everyone? |
| 15:44.24 | xam | greycat: want to add another one, eg. 'screens' ? or 'shot screen' ? |
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| 15:44.55 | POVaddct | i shot my screen(1) :) |
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| 15:45.20 | Burning | how do i stop being superuser, i typed su to do an apt-get update, now i don't know how to un-su myself :P |
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| 15:45.27 | POVaddct | dvs: no no, i detached it :) |
| 15:45.28 | dvs | Burning: exit |
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| 15:45.49 | Burning | will that exit the xterm or just un-su me |
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| 15:46.01 | markybob | Burning, try it and find out. |
| 15:46.06 | Burning | just did |
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| 15:46.11 | Burning | ta :) |
| 15:46.21 | FarrisG | xam: thanks for the tip, I'll check it out |
| 15:46.45 | ncterval | I'm having a problem with KDM in unstable and the guys in #kde directed me here. After selecting KDE as the session (I also tested Enlightenment) and logging in, it displays a console in the corner of the screen (still in X, though) rather than starting KDE. Someone suggested this was twm. |
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| 15:46.59 | pingouin | i've just added a new memory module on motherboard, and i wonder why the testing debian-pure64, see all the memory plugged, and not the sarge «classic» 32 bit ? |
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| 15:47.15 | directhex|work | pingouin, how much memory? |
| 15:47.26 | pingouin | 3*512 |
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| 15:47.27 | FarrisG | BTW, anybody know what the best way would be to check for SATA driver/module availability? I'm about to order 5 new rack servers and I want to make certain I'm not going to have hell getting sarge installed on them |
| 15:47.29 | Covener | pingouin: might need to pass the amt of memory on the boot cmd line |
| 15:47.44 | Covener | pingouin: or enable one of the large memory options |
| 15:47.52 | pingouin | ok gonna check that |
| 15:47.57 | pingouin | thx for clues |
| 15:47.58 | markybob | FarrisG look at the kernel source (make menuconfig) |
| 15:48.07 | directhex|work | Farris, look at the modules in a kernel-*-2.6.8 |
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| 15:48.33 | dvs | Farris: How are the SATA controllers connected? Integrated into the chipset? Separate controller chip? |
| 15:48.34 | Covener | FarrisG: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html and check the status reports towards the bottom |
| 15:48.52 | FarrisG | excellent, thanks guys |
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| 15:49.06 | madroach | ncterval: How did you select KDE |
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| 15:49.39 | Edzilla | hello |
| 15:49.42 | cyrille__ | hi there |
| 15:49.53 | Edzilla | I installed a sarge |
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| 15:50.00 | Edzilla | and I'm trying to use ndiswrapper |
| 15:50.10 | ncterval | madroach: The session menu in KDM. |
| 15:50.10 | dvs | module-assistant |
| 15:50.12 | cyrille__ | I have got a problem with file transfer using scp |
| 15:50.41 | JagoGhost | http://www.kohler.com/corp/whats_new.html <-- I'd buy that toilet |
| 15:51.08 | cyrille__ | when transfering an iso image, the filenames contained in the image are truncated to 8 caracters... |
| 15:51.16 | madroach | ncterval: The next thing I would try is typing startkde into the console you get. |
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| 15:51.52 | POVaddct | cyrille__: i don't think this is a scp problem |
| 15:52.01 | valdyn_ | cyrille__: what would that have to do with scp? |
| 15:52.27 | cyrille__ | POVaddct > I agree but I don't know whereelse it could come |
| 15:52.32 | markybob | your iso is fucked |
| 15:52.34 | markybob | that's the problem |
| 15:52.42 | markybob | not the transfer |
| 15:52.47 | Keloran | whats the default ftpd that comes with debian |
| 15:52.52 | POVaddct | cyrille__: sound like the scp destination host has no rockridge and/or joliet extensions in its iso9660 driver |
| 15:53.02 | valdyn_ | Keloran: none or all |
| 15:53.03 | cyrille__ | markybob > no it's not fucked |
| 15:53.09 | Keloran | loverlly |
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| 15:53.13 | ncterval | madroach: Assuming that works (I'll try on next reboot), is that all I need to do? |
| 15:53.37 | cyrille__ | POVaddct > i think it's a pb with rockridge you're right |
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| 15:53.49 | cyrille__ | POVaddct > how can I check that? |
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| 15:54.32 | madroach | ncterval: no idea. You don't have to reboot. Just type /etc/init.d/kdm restart as root. |
| 15:54.34 | POVaddct | cyrille__: check the kernel config of the destination host system and check how you created the iso image with mkisofs |
| 15:54.40 | valdyn_ | cyrille__: isoinfo file.iso |
| 15:54.43 | markybob | cyrille__, mount the iso on the host |
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| 15:54.51 | valdyn_ | cyrille__: isoinfo -i file.iso |
| 15:55.34 | madroach | ncterval: startkde would show you, if kde itself works (idependently from kdm). |
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| 15:55.47 | markybob | mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt |
| 15:55.57 | cyrille__ | thanks guys, i'll check that |
| 15:56.18 | ncterval | madroach: KDE boots fine from gdm, if that's what we're looking for. |
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| 15:56.54 | cyrille__ | valdyn_, isoinfo -i file.iso doesn't return anything, i'll "man isoinfo" |
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| 15:57.38 | madroach | ncterval: ok, then I have no idea. |
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| 16:00.02 | greycat | *flush* |
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| 16:02.48 | madroach | :window next |
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| 16:04.28 | coachz | Is there a web page that lists the packages available for each debian (stable, testing, sid) ? |
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| 16:04.54 | Faithful | coachz: each repository has that |
| 16:05.05 | FieldySnuts | *!*ChanServ@*. was banned heh (with the period) |
| 16:05.21 | greycat | coachz: packages.debian.org |
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| 16:05.31 | coachz | thanks |
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| 16:06.24 | Garp | Question: What is an initrd file? Can it be mounted (by -o loop ?) Can it be edited (adding a file in it?) Thanks. |
| 16:07.00 | coachz | unstable shows postgresql (7.4.7-2) Is there still no package for Postgresql 8? |
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| 16:07.32 | jpdp | How can I kick-start a netinst CD install on an older system that can't boot directoy to CD? (Is there a floppy image that can be used?) |
| 16:07.34 | Darien | Garp: initrd = initial ramdisk - and yeah, it should be mountable loopback (try it and see) |
| 16:07.40 | madroach | Gertrude: Yes, you can mount it, if you got support for its filesystem. |
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| 16:07.42 | jpdp | directly |
| 16:07.46 | Putiikki | jpdp: yes there is |
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| 16:08.00 | Garp | Darien: gave me : "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0"... Which FS would it use ? |
| 16:08.00 | Faithful | Garp: it is an initial ram disk usually using cramfs it can be mouted by loop but you cannot edited you need to create another |
| 16:08.15 | Darien | Garp: that depends on the rd - run 'file initrd' to see what it says |
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| 16:08.35 | Garp | Faithful: Thanks. Could you point me to a relevant doc tocreate acramfs file like this ? Thanks. |
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| 16:08.55 | Faithful | man mkinitrd Garp |
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| 16:09.06 | Garp | Faithful: thank you very much :) |
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| 16:10.12 | FieldySnuts | postmaaaan!! |
| 16:10.18 | coachz | Can anyone tell me if there is a package for Postgresql 8 in testing or unstable? I don't see one. |
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| 16:10.41 | caphuso | coachz: if you don't see one, then there isn't one |
| 16:10.51 | dvs | !find postgresql |
| 16:10.52 | coachz | it's been months though |
| 16:11.09 | caphuso | coachz: so? |
| 16:11.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'postgresql' (5 of 37): (/etc/logrotate.d/postgresql-contrib) in misc/postgresql-contrib ;; (/etc/cron.d/gforge-db-postgresql) in devel/gforge-db-postgresql ;; (/usr/lib/ocaml/3.08/dbi/dbi_postgresql.cmo) in libs/libdbi-ocaml ;; (/usr/bin/postgresql_autodoc) in contrib/utils/postgresql-autodoc ;; (/usr/share/doc-base/postgresql-plruby) in misc/postgresql-plruby. |
| 16:11.11 | coachz | why so long? |
| 16:11.26 | dvs | !info postgresql |
| 16:11.31 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.4.7-3 (sid), Packaged size: 3703 kB, Installed size: 9576 kB |
| 16:11.35 | caphuso | coachz: because unstable isn't about giving you the latest versions of everything |
| 16:11.54 | coachz | caphuso, where do i get latest and greatest or can debian not do that? |
| 16:12.13 | caphuso | coachz: no, it can't |
| 16:12.18 | caphuso | go use gentoo |
| 16:12.24 | Faithful | coachz: you google for a deb |
| 16:12.24 | dvs | coachz: You can compiles it yourself but you're on your own |
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| 16:12.55 | coachz | ok, thanks |
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| 16:15.43 | Faithful | In base-install I didn't select anything (webserver mailserver fileserver etc.) and it installed (what seems to be) everything gcc bison python perp mtools |
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| 16:16.12 | dvs | Faithful: Development stuff |
| 16:16.26 | caphuso | madroach: it toolk years to get finaly rid of /usr/doc, why reinstate it? |
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| 16:16.47 | caphuso | my l's are shifting weirdly... |
| 16:16.59 | Faithful | dvs: but I didn't select that... I was going to install build-essential shortly but.... |
| 16:17.07 | madroach | caphuso: I still have /usr/doc and in it a few symlinks into /usr/share/doc ...weird |
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| 16:17.16 | caphuso | madroach: old cruft |
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| 16:17.33 | dvs | Faithful: Was it selected before? (You may not have changed anything but it might have been selected already) |
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| 16:17.38 | stew | madroach: /usr/doc is not fhs compliant |
| 16:17.52 | Vme | hello, i can use SAMBA to map a unix drive on my windows box, correct?? |
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| 16:18.02 | madroach | stew: Is it therefore a minor bug, if a package puts symlinkgs into it? |
| 16:18.12 | Vme | linux drive i should say |
| 16:18.23 | caphuso | Vme: filesystem you should say, but yes |
| 16:18.23 | greycat | Vme: yes |
| 16:18.24 | madroach | Vme: Yes. |
| 16:18.25 | stew | madroach: afaik that would be a severy policy violation |
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| 16:18.36 | stew | severe* |
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| 16:18.40 | Faithful | dvs nope clean install. I wasn't happy with the fact it didn't let me select my own apt/sources.list |
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| 16:18.43 | Vme | is there a howto, or something you can point me to? |
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| 16:19.02 | caphuso | Vme: the samba-doc package |
| 16:19.10 | dvs | Faithful: Just because it was a clean install doesn't mean it wasn't selected by default. |
| 16:19.11 | FarrisG | If I have a local debian mirror of everything in testing from around december, would it be safe to pop in a sarge netinst disc and use that local mirror for all my sources? |
| 16:19.32 | Faithful | dvs: fair enough |
| 16:19.35 | madroach | stew: In my sarge there are eleven packages (ab)using /usr/doc |
| 16:19.41 | greycat | FarrisG: no. there have been security fixes since december. |
| 16:19.50 | stew | madroach: whats an example of one? |
| 16:19.54 | FarrisG | greycat: Cool. I think I'm going to go ahead and create a new mirror |
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| 16:20.17 | madroach | stew: util-linux, at, cpio, sysklogd |
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| 16:21.45 | stew | madroach: wierd yeah, i see that. i'd ask about it in #debian-devel or #debian-mentors, and check the bts |
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| 16:23.32 | dud | hmm, don't suppose anyone has a quick fix when the keyboard stops repeating pressed down keys? |
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| 16:23.39 | dud | happens every once in a while to me |
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| 16:25.24 | markybob | dud i had a problem like that...it was the bios, not the keyboard. an upgrade fixed it. |
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| 16:26.18 | dud | markybob, its not a persistent problem for me... usually triggered by a random application crashing or something similar |
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| 16:30.29 | smacnay | can one make a sparse .iso file for burning of a dvd? I want to copy many files into an .iso file and then burn the iso to dvd for storage. I start with 'dd if=/dev/zero bs=4096 count=1 seek=1126399 of=file.iso' - then can I run mkisofs on that file, mount it, and copy files into it, then burn with growisofs? |
| 16:31.06 | Eclipser | bimmerd00d, am now |
| 16:31.12 | caphuso | smacnay: iso9660 is a read-only filesystem |
| 16:31.28 | madroach | smacnay: You have to use mkisofs |
| 16:31.35 | smacnay | caphuso: thanks - I didn't know that. I kknow I can do that with udf. |
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| 16:32.03 | smacnay | Or just growisofs -J -R -Z file1 file2 file3. |
| 16:32.32 | Gron | i need to change a password for a mysql user, whats the command to get into it and do this? |
| 16:32.32 | cjohnson | Hi. I'm running sid and installed xemacs w/apt-get. When I try to maximize it, it kind of "weirds out." The right-hand scrollbar and the menu at the top start blinking a lot. Any ideas? |
| 16:33.03 | cjohnson | UPDATE Users SET password=PASSWORD('PassGoesHere') WHERE user='usernameGoesHere'; |
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| 16:33.27 | cjohnson | Or something similar... I forget the exact names of the tables & columns, but they're something like "User" or "users" or whatever |
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| 16:33.44 | cjohnson | Oh, and you might have to FLUSH PRIVILEGES after that, I'm not sure |
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| 16:33.48 | Gron | in just normal command? isn't there a mysql command? |
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| 16:34.05 | roods | how do i use sed do remove all spaces and replace it with one ',' for each group of spaces 's/ +/,/g' because that isn't working |
| 16:34.08 | cjohnson | You mean like a thing you can do from the command line? |
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| 16:34.44 | greycat | roods: try \+ instead of +. If that doesn't work, use / */ instead of / +/. |
| 16:34.45 | caphuso | roods: sed -e 's/ */,/g' |
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| 16:36.15 | cjohnson | echo "Hi there " | sed -e 's/ */,/g' |
| 16:36.15 | cjohnson | ,H,i,t,h,e,r,e, |
| 16:36.16 | cjohnson | odd. |
| 16:36.25 | caphuso | not odd |
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| 16:36.28 | vkd | hey guys, is there a way to see iowait processes or some kind of io stats in 2.6 kernel |
| 16:36.34 | Gron | the program i uses usually has the password encrpyted, but i reinstalled and forgot to save the conf file, so i just need to set the user as a blank password so i can login and change it |
| 16:36.40 | cjohnson | Oh, no I guess not |
| 16:36.42 | greycat | cjohnson: two spaces. |
| 16:36.56 | cjohnson | Yeah, I see that now |
| 16:37.07 | t0ffel | is updating the kernel as simple as installing a newer version through aptitude? |
| 16:37.29 | abrotman | t0ffel: it can be ... |
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| 16:37.37 | abrotman | t0ffel: uname -r |
| 16:37.43 | cjohnson | Gron: I'm confused. Can you not start mysql because you don't have a password? |
| 16:38.06 | t0ffel | 2.6.8-1-386 |
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| 16:38.19 | cdc | is ext3 file system better than ext2 ? |
| 16:38.20 | roods | thanks |
| 16:38.33 | cdc | which one is better for a server |
| 16:38.33 | caphuso | cdc: different |
| 16:38.40 | cjohnson | (if that's the case, use --skip-grant-tables when you start MySQL then edit the passwd w/an UPDATE command, and restart MySQL w/out skip-grant...) |
| 16:38.54 | Gron | it can't access it because the user password on the conf file is encrypted usually so i can't just put the old password in there. So i need to change tha users password to nothing so the user can connect to mysql and i can edit the password within the program |
| 16:39.01 | greycat | cdc: depends on what you plan to use it for |
| 16:39.08 | greycat | cdc: I like ext2 for /tmp |
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| 16:39.47 | topside | where is the default debian sa-exim install install the bayes filter? |
| 16:39.54 | topside | where does it...sorry |
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| 16:40.13 | vkd | what about 2.4 kernel, any way to see io wait there? |
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| 16:40.38 | greycat | topside: dpkg -L pkgname | less |
| 16:40.47 | Gathond | vkd: I dont think the 2.4 kernels scheduler keeps track of it |
| 16:41.06 | vkd | hmm |
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| 16:41.13 | vkd | damn |
| 16:41.24 | vkd | how does one do IO checks, to see if there is a problem then? |
| 16:41.26 | cdc | greycat, what has happened in office is this though this doesnt really relate to Debian but i just need your help.I use Debian at Home but at office we use Redhat 7.1 .Today someone didnt shutdown the server properly and when we started again we get fsck everytime and after it completes it says Press Ctrl d For Normal Startup or enter administrative password and then i executed fsck -a /dev/hdc1 -a and after sometime it gave us a message Please run fsck manuall |
| 16:41.27 | cdc | y |
| 16:41.49 | cdc | how do i set right this problem |
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| 16:42.08 | cdc | if i want to unmount the partition where linux is installed and then i want to run fsck how do i do that ? |
| 16:42.16 | vkd | boot from a cd |
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| 16:42.23 | vkd | mount the partition and check |
| 16:42.30 | strk | which package includes /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 ? |
| 16:42.33 | vkd | there are rescue cd images all around |
| 16:42.36 | strk | or... how can I find out / |
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| 16:42.54 | strk | it seems my autotools installation screwed up |
| 16:43.00 | greycat | Fucking man pages. |
| 16:43.04 | cdc | vkd,no i want to unmount the partition and then run fsck how do i do that |
| 16:43.17 | greycat | resolv.conf(5) doesn't say what the syntax of a list is. I'm going to GUESS that they're space-separated. |
| 16:43.20 | strk | as I've /usr/share/{aclocal,aclocal-1.4,aclocal-1.8} and none of them is a symlink |
| 16:43.33 | MrP | When I run GDM and login to KDE, I get a xsession error window that pops up with no error message, and then I get a terminal window. I viewed the .xsession-errors file and it shows one line that looks like it is causing the problem "executing /usr/bin/startkde failed", however, when I try to launch startkde from the console, it starts without a hiccup. What is going wrong? |
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| 16:43.47 | vkd | cdc, if you UNMOUNT root partition, you don't have the tools to check it. |
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| 16:44.16 | greycat | OpenBSD's resolv.conf(5) says "spaces or tabs". |
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| 16:44.22 | greycat | Too bad Debian can't have good man pages. |
| 16:44.27 | vkd | cdc, is that your primary partition? |
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| 16:44.44 | cdc | yes !!! vkd |
| 16:44.50 | vkd | cdc, then boot from cd |
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| 16:45.39 | Gron | I need ot give a user in mysql a blank, or no password, how would i do this? |
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| 16:47.01 | MrP | Anyone? |
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| 16:47.12 | ix | root! <3 |
| 16:49.50 | dambodog | dumb question - how do i check the version of debian that i'm running besides looking at my sources.list? |
| 16:50.20 | greycat | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:50.40 | dambodog | thx |
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| 16:51.26 | dambodog | greycat, just says 3.1 hmm.. |
| 16:51.28 | MrP | Anyone know why GDM is having problems executing /usr/bin/startkde? |
| 16:53.36 | edibletext | !3.1 |
| 16:53.36 | dpkg | i heard 3.1 is sarge |
| 16:53.52 | MrP | I'm running Sid and I get 3.1 too lol |
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| 16:55.16 | greycat | !lol |
| 16:55.16 | dpkg | stands for Laughs Out Loud, also Lamer On Line. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh''haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 16:56.05 | greycat | dpkg, lol =~ s,instead,instead (preferably after /join #teenchat), |
| 16:56.05 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 16:56.17 | greycat | oops, there were two insteads. |
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| 16:57.17 | bam | hmm, i hate "lol" as much as the next guy, but if it's saying that "/me lol" is okay, what's stopping somebody from saying that they're actually using it to mean "lauging out loud", so it would be okay without /me |
| 16:57.17 | jethro | hi |
| 16:57.21 | greycat | dpkg, no, lol is <reply> LOL stands for Laughs Out Loud, or (more commonly) Lamer On Line. If you insist on using this atrocity, try "/me lol" (preferably after /join #teenchat). "heh" or "haha" is greatly preferred. See also <loll>. |
| 16:57.21 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 16:57.35 | genirrr | Which systems is using JFS fs? |
| 16:57.42 | greycat | bam: actually, I originally heard it as "laughing out loud" |
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| 16:57.53 | greycat | and ROTFL as "rolling on the floor laughing" |
| 16:58.00 | bam | ya, i dunno. i'm not even sure why i hate it :) |
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| 16:58.29 | greycat | what really irritates me about LOL isn't the fact that it gets used so much, but the simple fact that they lower-cased it and they put it at the end of a sentence instead of a period. |
| 16:58.44 | openmicroscopy | I need to install libtiff3g, however it isn't on the DVDs that I have, how do I point at the ftp servers with apt-get? |
| 16:58.57 | greycat | edibletext: oooh, recursive expansion |
| 16:59.02 | drac | openmicroscopy: apt-setup |
| 16:59.02 | bam | haha |
| 16:59.05 | greycat | LOL stands for LOLing Out Loud. |
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| 16:59.19 | openmicroscopy | drac>thnks |
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| 16:59.24 | edibletext | heh |
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| 17:06.45 | edibletext | samara17_cam, buh bye |
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| 17:06.59 | abrotman | what is aremsexy? |
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| 17:07.07 | greycat | click it and see |
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| 17:07.17 | abrotman | erm .. no |
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| 17:07.30 | abrotman | greycat: i think the same site got spammed here last night |
| 17:07.35 | edibletext | abrotman, There u find photos, movies for download and much more... |
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| 17:07.40 | greycat | !blame Rez |
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| 17:08.00 | dvs | thanks a lot Rez! |
| 17:08.33 | Rez | I only removed bans that were 21+ days old |
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| 17:09.54 | PlasmaHH | hi, is there a way I can check if installed files have been changed ? |
| 17:09.56 | dvs | Rez: Man, put kawfee back on that list |
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| 17:13.17 | dvs | thz |
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| 17:15.59 | Night_Wand3r3r | ÒÅÂÑÔ Á ×Ù ÔÕÔ ÒÕÓÓËÉÅ?) |
| 17:16.14 | edibletext | !confuse Night_Wand3r3r |
| 17:16.15 | dpkg | Yes, them are our gerbil today, Night_Wand3r3r? lederhosen of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 17:16.22 | zorxd | hi, can anybody help me with direct rendering freezing my laptop |
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| 17:17.51 | sean_micken | the sarge installation CD freezes on my laptop during initialization, is there anyway to install sarge with another CD or something? |
| 17:17.54 | Zeus | aa |
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| 17:18.40 | Ragan | sean_micken, R3? |
| 17:18.51 | Noldo | sean_micken: at which point? |
| 17:18.53 | sean_micken | i think i have R2. |
| 17:19.11 | dvs | sean_micken: You could try R3 |
| 17:19.16 | Ragan | sean_micken, you could try the just released rc3, look at the topic |
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| 17:19.19 | dvs | sean_micken: March 23rd |
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| 17:19.36 | abrotman | or a daily |
| 17:19.43 | sean_micken | oh goodie. |
| 17:19.45 | sean_micken | thanks. |
| 17:20.43 | Ragan | sean_micken, did you try with 'linux26'? I had a freeze on intall problem on my laptop also, running with kernel 2.6 fixed it. |
| 17:21.25 | sean_micken | Ragan: oh, never did try that. i will if it don't work right. |
| 17:21.34 | sean_micken | Ragan: will that also install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:21.54 | Ragan | sean_micken, yeah, but you can downgrade it after the install if you like |
| 17:22.02 | sean_micken | nah, i want 2.6. |
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| 17:25.11 | mentor | Banlist cleaning commences...ignore channel modes if you do not want to be flooded :) |
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| 17:25.42 | idnar | heh |
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| 17:25.48 | dvs | mentor: mode -E? |
| 17:26.55 | richardk | kann mir jemand helfen meine Sparc Station 5 mit debian hochzukriegen ?¿? SILO meldet -> Read error on block........ :-( |
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| 17:27.16 | eye69 | richardk: #debian.de |
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| 17:27.36 | greycat | *flush* |
| 17:27.36 | richardk | eye69 Thanks |
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| 17:27.59 | jaybuffet | i'm getting a permission denied when trying to mount a share... my exports file looks like this / 192.168.0.101(rw,no_root_squash,sync,wdelay) |
| 17:28.02 | mentor | Honour these bans as they are laid to rest in the sea of packets... |
| 17:28.15 | St0n3-C0l | how do I reconfigure my XFree86 thru dpkg ? |
| 17:28.25 | greycat | !faq St0n3-C0l |
| 17:28.25 | dpkg | St0n3-C0l: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:28.28 | dvs | !drxx St0n3-C0l |
| 17:28.29 | dpkg | St0n3-C0l: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 17:28.34 | mentor | dvs: I don't think so... |
| 17:28.38 | St0n3-C0l | Thanks :P |
| 17:28.56 | dvs | mentor: ?? What does St0n3-C0l mean? |
| 17:28.59 | pingouin | good, hightmem suport was neccesary, i now have all the memory modules seeing at boot time and meminfo thx for help |
| 17:28.59 | St0n3-C0l | I think Sarge came with xorg before ? |
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| 17:29.28 | nickweb | hey guys and gals, very quick question.. |
| 17:29.33 | dvs | no |
| 17:29.38 | nickweb | i used apt-get install phpwiki |
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| 17:30.02 | nickweb | it sdownloaded, and placed itself in the /etc/phpwiki folder, but no links or other files were created to allow apache 2 to find it.. |
| 17:30.17 | nickweb | any ideas on how to get apache to see it outwith the root directory? |
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| 17:30.30 | St0n3-C0l | Thanks guys |
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| 17:31.56 | mentor | Ban list flushing complete...now wash your hands... |
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| 17:32.11 | dvs | yippee! |
| 17:32.38 | mentor | And wait for all the trolls to come back... |
| 17:32.49 | helix | you shouldn't be saying yippee.. it means now there's room for you in it :) |
| 17:32.50 | Tavy | Only to ban 'em again.. |
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| 17:33.11 | nickweb | anyone? |
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| 17:33.32 | dvs | Doh! |
| 17:33.48 | mentor | dvs: Yeah! No happiness in here...it's agains thte rules! |
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| 17:34.19 | mentor | Good boy/girl/other appropriate diminutive |
| 17:34.25 | Tavy | Good.. thing.. |
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| 17:35.15 | mentor | Right...now tha tI have killed all conversation in here... |
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| 17:35.21 | dexter__ | :p |
| 17:35.43 | edibletext | heh I'm sshd into a box twice that keeps alternating between two ips.. two terminals, which at any moment only one is responsive. |
| 17:35.56 | Tavy | That would be fun. |
| 17:36.07 | sean_micken | to install the nvidia drivers, do i have to compile a new kernel? |
| 17:36.15 | directhex | sean_micken, no |
| 17:36.16 | dvs | sean_micken: no |
| 17:36.34 | dexter__ | sean_micken: You shouldn't have too |
| 17:36.37 | sean_micken | k |
| 17:36.58 | sean_micken | when i boot up with the default kernel, i see lots of modules failing to load, is there a way to stop it from trying to load modules it can't on boot? |
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| 17:37.13 | directhex | !tell sean_micken about blacklist |
| 17:37.17 | dvs | sean_micken: I'm guessing that initrd. Is this a debian kernel? |
| 17:37.24 | sean_micken | dvs: yeah. |
| 17:37.24 | dexter__ | All problem i had with the 2.4 kernel (i forgot to install the 2.6 one :P) was that my sound driver didn't work, so installed the 2.6.8-2-686 and now it works as i want it too :D |
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| 17:37.53 | dvs | dexter__: So what's the problem? ;-) |
| 17:38.01 | dexter__ | dvs: None anymore |
| 17:38.02 | sean_micken | does the default 2.6 debian kernel install a bunch of alsa drivers? |
| 17:38.16 | dvs | !beer dexter__ |
| 17:38.19 | directhex | yes it does |
| 17:38.21 | dvs | sean_micken: yes |
| 17:38.23 | sean_micken | cool. |
| 17:38.46 | dexter__ | I wasn't expecting Debian to be this good actually. I've tried Debian before but wasn't happy with it because of the 2.4 kernel (i didn't know i could upgrade) and some other stuff i can't remember. |
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| 17:39.09 | sean_micken | what's the default /dev file system debian uses? udev? |
| 17:39.13 | dexter__ | dvs: I'm underaged ;) |
| 17:39.18 | dvs | dexter__: You didn't know that you can upgrade? That's one of the biggest reasons why people come to Debian |
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| 17:39.39 | pack | gfd...anyone listen to streams of air america over the intartar web? |
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| 17:39.50 | dexter__ | dvs: People told me that it wasn't possible, and for some reason i didn't find it with the apt-cache search |
| 17:39.54 | pipeline | dvs, dexter__: People come to Debian because they hear that it's great. They stay with debian because it's so obviously superior to anything they've ever used before. |
| 17:40.04 | directhex | sean_micken, just regular dev, unless tyou install the udev package |
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| 17:40.05 | dvs | pipeline: ;-) |
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| 17:40.19 | dvs | dexter__: Sure it's possible: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 17:40.36 | greycat | dvs: maybe he had woody before. |
| 17:40.42 | jon273 | how can i get exim4 to use maildir for LOCAL_DELIVERY? how do I edit DebConf setings? |
| 17:40.45 | dexter__ | dvs: I know. I found it yesterday (I gave it a last try then). But for some reason it didn't exist for me earlier |
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| 17:41.05 | dexter__ | And now i'm not gonna use anything else on my workstation |
| 17:41.05 | dvs | dexter__: ??? Did you have woody before like greycat said? |
| 17:41.18 | sean_micken | err... i accidently chose GMT for my time.. how do i reverse that lol? |
| 17:41.23 | greycat | !set the time |
| 17:41.23 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers exactly, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 17:41.37 | dexter__ | dvs: No.. At least i don't think so. I mean, sarge was the only thing i had here and i don't remember burning anything else |
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| 17:41.50 | dvs | dexter__: OK. |
| 17:41.56 | jon273 | !set maildir |
| 17:42.02 | jon273 | meh, didn't work |
| 17:42.07 | greycat | !listkeys maildir |
| 17:42.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'maildir' by key (3): maildir ;; mbox2maildir ;; exim maildir. |
| 17:42.24 | jon273 | now what? |
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| 17:42.33 | dvs | !maildir |
| 17:42.33 | dpkg | somebody said maildir was a one-message-per-file mailbox format used by qmail and supported by mutt; see http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/maildir.html or k-rad, or runs you out of inodes when you have more than 60,000 mails, or Linux doesn't have 16-bit inode numbers, duh DJB's one good idea. supported by postfix, exim etc. and several final delivery / filtering programs such as maildrop and procmail as well as imap servers including ... |
| 17:42.52 | jon273 | mkay |
| 17:43.01 | markybob | jon273, /msg dpkg exim maildir |
| 17:43.04 | greycat | he *really* is a dim one, isn't he? |
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| 17:43.36 | Azar | newsarticle: The Reinvention of Progeny http://business.newsforge.com/business/05/03/22/2251248.shtml?tid=150&tid=3 |
| 17:43.41 | Azar | hi honorables |
| 17:44.01 | caphuso | newsforge... another useless site |
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| 17:44.28 | Azar | well I really did not pay attention at what site is.. just the article |
| 17:44.38 | greg_work | has anyone here used dyndns.org's mailhop relay service? |
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| 17:45.01 | greg_work | thinking of doing it, just wanted to hear complains/praise |
| 17:45.06 | nickweb | it sdownloaded, and placed itself in the /etc/phpwiki folder, but no links or other files were created to allow apache 2 to find it.. |
| 17:45.07 | greg_work | complaints* |
| 17:45.10 | nickweb | i used apt-get install phpwiki |
| 17:45.15 | nickweb | it sdownloaded, and placed itself in the /etc/phpwiki folder, but no links or other files were created to allow apache 2 to find it.. |
| 17:45.24 | nickweb | any ideas on how to get apache to see it outwith the root directory? |
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| 17:48.40 | Azar | reading that article reminded myself again I should somehow subscribe and contribute but I really do not know how |
| 17:48.42 | greycat | nickweb: man ln |
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| 17:48.52 | greycat | nickweb: gods, please try to be less stupid... |
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| 17:49.43 | jon273 | right, nothing has actually said *how* to change exim4 to use maildir. THey all say what it is, but never actually, wot to do |
| 17:49.48 | borgah | im trying to write a program using libpcap, and im getting errors from the linker about undefined refrences ... am i missing some necessary files? |
| 17:49.53 | greycat | !exim maildir |
| 17:49.53 | dpkg | i guess exim maildir is change "file = /var/mail/$local_part" to "directory = $home/Maildir" and add the line "maildir_format" |
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| 17:50.04 | tarzeau | moo |
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| 17:50.12 | greycat | THERE! Was that fucking HARD!? Shall we come over to your house and FEED YOU TOO? |
| 17:50.25 | dexter__ | greycat :P |
| 17:50.32 | tarzeau | borgah: -llibpcap? |
| 17:50.37 | dexter__ | greycat: I don't mind you feeding me |
| 17:50.40 | greycat | 12:43 markybob> jon273, /msg dpkg exim maildir |
| 17:50.46 | tarzeau | borgah: actually i think -lpcap is enough |
| 17:50.49 | borgah | tar: yep... i have the libpcap/0/8/3-dev file |
| 17:50.55 | dambodog | does anyone know of a good load balancer solution / maybe a virtual server and a way to write data to both machines? |
| 17:50.59 | borgah | err. package |
| 17:51.01 | tarzeau | borgah: but do you also link against it? |
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| 17:51.12 | borgah | tarzeau: how do you do that? |
| 17:51.16 | tarzeau | borgah: it's not like you get music if you put the speakers near the computer without cable |
| 17:51.22 | tarzeau | borgah: using -lpcap ;) |
| 17:51.30 | eye69 | dambodog: I like LVS. |
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| 17:51.53 | tarzeau | takatumi: there? |
| 17:52.02 | edibletext | ls |
| 17:52.05 | tarzeau | look look, the coolest mp3/ogg player: http://download.freshmeat.net/screenshots/43461.png |
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| 17:52.14 | takatumi | tarzeau: yup |
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| 17:52.32 | tarzeau | takatumi: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mog/ get both, dpkg -i m*.deb and run "mog" ;) |
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| 17:53.23 | takatumi | tarzeau: getting it now, thanks. |
| 17:53.37 | tarzeau | takatumi: it's fantastic using these redone graphics of naramura |
| 17:53.40 | Azar | everything ok, greycat? you seem upset today |
| 17:53.59 | tarzeau | Azar: you'd be that too, if you were surrounded by so many .. uh |
| 17:54.05 | jon273 | greycat, that gives: "i heard exim maildir is change "file = /var/mail/$local_part" to "directory = $home/Maildir" and add the line "maildir_format"" - change the file to a directory?! and add the line where? what's the point in being cryptic |
| 17:54.23 | Azar | greycat, you might be overworked here.. |
| 17:55.13 | dvs | jon273: I understood it |
| 17:55.28 | rafael | signonconnectiontheclosedRemote |
| 17:55.38 | borgah | tarzeau: thanks, that worked, but if i move that executable to my teachers server, itll still work right? |
| 17:55.39 | rafael | BitchX-1.0c20cvs+ by panasync - Linux 2.6.11.5-Debian.rafael |
| 17:55.41 | caphuso | jon273: how is that cryptic? |
| 17:55.44 | rafael | nice |
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| 17:55.53 | caphuso | jon273: find the line "file = ... |
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| 17:55.55 | markybob | jon273, just do what it says. that's it. just do it. |
| 17:56.09 | tarzeau | borgah: does he have the same debian? and the libpcap installed? |
| 17:56.11 | dambodog | eye69, why do you like it? would it work with only two servers? what do you use as your loadbalancer? |
| 17:56.15 | markybob | jon273, you asked to change it to Maildir. if you dont know what Maildir is or why you want it, then shut the hell up |
| 17:56.20 | caphuso | " in the exim config file, change it to the "directory = ..." and add the maildir_format one below |
| 17:56.24 | tarzeau | borgah: if so, yes. what does your software do exactly? you can also package it properly |
| 17:56.31 | borgah | tarzeau: no, he runs mandrake |
| 17:56.49 | tarzeau | borgah: well you can try, it might work or fail(i guess that) |
| 17:56.53 | borgah | tarzeau: when i do that linking on my box, its using a shared library right? |
| 17:56.55 | jon273 | change the file to a directory and then add a line to it? I know what fucking maildir is, i just don't know how to set exim4 to use it for LOCAL_DELIVERY |
| 17:57.05 | tarzeau | borgah: usually yes. you can check with ldd thebinary |
| 17:57.17 | tarzeau | borgah: you can try to link it statically, man gcc (look for -s :) |
| 17:57.25 | tarzeau | borgah: that is fun, good luck |
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| 17:57.42 | borgah | tarzeau: will that stuff all of the pcap stuff into my binary? |
| 17:57.52 | tarzeau | borgah: and c library too, all that is needed |
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| 17:58.06 | caphuso | jon273: if using a text editor to make a simple change to a config file is too much for you, then you probably shouldn't be running a MTA at all |
| 17:58.28 | petemc | the debian config file for exim4 makes it a little more complicated |
| 17:58.47 | borgah | tarzeau: right on. thanks :) |
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| 17:59.21 | petemc | jessica_: im pretty sure the comments above the 2 transports for mbox and maildir explain how to set which one is used, is this not the case? |
| 17:59.32 | petemc | jon273: ^^^ |
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| 17:59.43 | tarzeau | borgah: is your software public? |
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| 18:00.13 | potato | hi |
| 18:00.48 | potato | does anybody know whether it's possible to accept ipsec connections with freeswan 1.x with source port different than 500/udp ? |
| 18:00.56 | jon273 | petemc, it syas to change the definition of LOCAL_DELIVERY but i can't find where that is. |
| 18:01.51 | petemc | jon273: its been a while since i looked at the config, but istr it points you to another file in /etc/exim4/ |
| 18:01.55 | jon273 | in the main config file it is just LOCAL_DELIVERY=DEBCONFlocaldeliveryDEBCONF where is it getting the debconf stuff form? |
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| 18:03.07 | davut | hi |
| 18:03.15 | edibletext | potato, try #openswan |
| 18:03.23 | davut | I have a problem with the mouse sensitivity |
| 18:03.23 | tarzeau | davut hosgeldin |
| 18:03.29 | davut | oooo |
| 18:03.32 | tarzeau | davut: in x or console or svgalib? |
| 18:03.51 | potato | edibletext thx |
| 18:03.52 | davut | in x |
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| 18:03.54 | edibletext | !comfort davut's mouse |
| 18:03.55 | dpkg | There, there, davut's mouse. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:03.59 | tarzeau | davut: man xset (look for m) |
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| 18:04.32 | jon273 | int macrodefs file it says to change update-exim4.conf.conf , but LOCAL_DELIVERY isn't metntionel in that file. I tried just adding LOCAL_DELIVERY=maildir_home but that made no difference |
| 18:04.45 | davut | I have tried it tarzeau |
| 18:04.52 | davut | I colulnt handle iy |
| 18:04.55 | davut | it |
| 18:05.12 | tarzeau | davut: read the manual entry to it again |
| 18:05.25 | petemc | jon273: can you paste that file into #flood |
| 18:05.55 | jon273 | petemc, ok, there in on sec |
| 18:05.57 | petemc | jon273: out of interest, have you looked in /usr/share/doc/exim* ? |
| 18:06.15 | zahod | davut, you may want to comment out one of the mouses in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 18:06.43 | markybob | ha... |
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| 18:07.22 | jon273 | petemc, yah,m i couldn't find anything about maildr. I resorted to looking for howto's on web, but they always miss out the bit about where to change LOCAL_DELIVERY |
| 18:08.02 | petemc | jon273: thats debian specific, you can of course use your own file at /etc/exim4/exim4.conf |
| 18:08.50 | valdyn_ | jon273: your only issue is to make exim4 to use Maildir? |
| 18:08.56 | jon273 | i considered that, but i would have to set all the options which debain sets by default. I only need to cheng this one thing, it just seemed easier to find how to change it |
| 18:09.03 | jon273 | valdyn_, yeah |
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| 18:09.34 | valdyn_ | jon273: did you read /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz ? |
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| 18:09.52 | adaran | can anyone recommend an alternative to privoxy? i'd like one that allows restricting filtering to html sites |
| 18:10.08 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.59 | jon273 | valdyn_, yeah. And there are loads of places which tell you different ways |
| 18:11.05 | jon273 | i can't get any to work |
| 18:11.25 | bpew | I remember you used to be able to message apt and tell it to find something, has that been disabled? |
| 18:11.36 | markybob | bpew, /msg dpkg find foo |
| 18:11.41 | bpew | thanks. |
| 18:12.23 | valdyn_ | jon273: i dont think i did more than changed LOCALE_DELIVERY to maildir_home |
| 18:12.46 | valdyn_ | jon273: maybe additionally maildirmake ~/Maildir or similar |
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| 18:14.07 | Azar | caphuso, why are you saying that "sourceforge" is a worthless site? something I should know ? |
| 18:14.09 | nvz | damn this could be a little trickier than I thought.. trying to covert "eGames Mahjongg Master 4" files themes(layouts, tilesets, backgrounds) to work with kmahjongg :P |
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| 18:14.26 | caphuso | Azar: i said "newsforge" |
| 18:14.51 | Azar | caphuso, oh yes, "ndwsforge".. my bad typo |
| 18:14.55 | jon273 | valdyn_, yeah, but how do I change LOCAL_DELIVERY? It's set as LOCAL_DELIVERY=DEBCONFlocaldeliveryDEBCONF . What is the DEBCONF stuff? |
| 18:14.57 | Azar | err newsforge |
| 18:15.38 | Azar | I am learning some stuff about apt-get on one of their articles, if there is something wrong with it, let me know please |
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| 18:16.02 | nvz | going to have to make extensive use of imagemagik |
| 18:16.07 | valdyn_ | jon273: update-exim4.conf is some script that takes update-exim4.conf.conf contents and puts them into the appropriate config files |
| 18:16.09 | caphuso | Azar: look at this example article: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/25/1231253 |
| 18:16.16 | bnoji | Any recommendations on a good 24-port 10/100 switch? |
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| 18:16.25 | bnoji | I've seen ones from $150-$600 |
| 18:16.43 | dvs | bnoji: Rack mount it guess |
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| 18:17.02 | bnoji | dvs: mounting is not an issue, I just can't decice. |
| 18:17.04 | bnoji | er, decide. |
| 18:17.06 | valdyn_ | jon273: you dont have to use that mechanism, i set LOCALE_DELIVERY directly in exim4.conf.template |
| 18:17.16 | bnoji | There are so many, and they all have similar features |
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| 18:17.24 | EvanCarroll | bnoji: linksys makes a nice a niec 10/100/1000 port switch for like 450 |
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| 18:17.48 | ccw | uuuuuaarg! trying to install debian on sun ultra 5. Installer boots up but for some reason can't access the cdrom then! |
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| 18:18.02 | ccw | what can I possibly do? |
| 18:18.04 | bnoji | EvanCarroll: It's for an office...Linksys tends to make Home Office type stuff. |
| 18:18.08 | ccw | Install solaris? |
| 18:18.14 | bnoji | How is there support and reliability? |
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| 18:18.30 | petemc | ccw: using the newer sarge installer? |
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| 18:19.40 | green_earz | ccw: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:20.07 | valdyn_ | jon273: I assume that DEBCONF macro would permit you to set things in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf instead of /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 18:20.12 | Azar | caphuso, fortunately the replies to the articles there are relevating :) |
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| 18:22.40 | ccw | petemc: using rc3 sarge installer |
| 18:22.51 | jon273 | valdyn_, I've got it now thanks. I just wanted to know how to chnge the macro - where to edit it. I had to add the line: dc_localdelivery='maildir_home' |
| 18:23.09 | jon273 | It was how to change the macro, and what the debainconf stuff was that was confusing me |
| 18:23.11 | valdyn_ | jon273: cool, i learned something ) |
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| 18:23.39 | valdyn_ | jon273: man update-exim4.conf is explaining this - i just found out |
| 18:24.17 | jon273 | oh, sorry :/ |
| 18:24.20 | jon273 | lol |
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| 18:27.51 | edibletext | !trout ariel |
| 18:27.51 | citral | ariel: please stop quitting and joining every two second, you're flooding. |
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| 18:28.18 | dvs | time to call the ops |
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| 18:28.28 | citral | maybe he's actually tring to flood |
| 18:28.38 | Mage__ | !lart ariel |
| 18:28.39 | caphuso | ariel: can you fix that? |
| 18:28.45 | Mage__ | !kill ariel |
| 18:28.51 | ariel | what? |
| 18:28.51 | abrotman | or maybe he's trying to config his client/ |
| 18:28.52 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:29.04 | abrotman | ariel: you have cycled about 10 times in 2 minutes |
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| 18:29.15 | ariel | I'm under serious problems |
| 18:29.18 | ariel | listen |
| 18:29.19 | citral | ariel: make your mind, stay or quit :) |
| 18:29.31 | abrotman | citral: up ? |
| 18:29.31 | ariel | I'm trying to stay |
| 18:29.32 | shocker-z | hey |
| 18:29.56 | ariel | help! |
| 18:30.10 | markybob | ariel, stop being an idiot and say what your problem is |
| 18:30.14 | Azar | ariel try using another irc client |
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| 18:30.38 | ariel | what can I do when even apt-get -f install is unable to fix my problems |
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| 18:30.47 | abrotman | ariel: how about a bit more detail |
| 18:31.02 | ariel | the stupid thing I ever done |
| 18:31.08 | markybob | i doubt that |
| 18:31.18 | edibletext | ariel, it cant be *that* bad |
| 18:31.35 | ariel | I tried to install kde 3.4 using ubuntu sources |
| 18:31.44 | citral | my god. |
| 18:31.46 | Yabden | i see where this is going |
| 18:31.53 | edibletext | oh, well perhaps it is... |
| 18:32.03 | ariel | but afer finish all go wrong |
| 18:32.04 | markybob | ariel, in that case, no one cares. might as well upgrade all the way to ubuntu. head on over #ubuntu |
| 18:32.25 | ariel | no, I'm debian addict |
| 18:32.31 | citral | ask them why kde 3.4 doesn't work with real debian hehhe |
| 18:32.37 | Azar | ariel then reinstall and stay clean |
| 18:32.56 | citral | say no to dirt! |
| 18:32.59 | Yabden | ubuntu free is the way to be |
| 18:33.04 | adaran | ariel, deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./ -- you can use that once you fix your system =) |
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| 18:33.26 | Azar | ariel, well you could use a partition for testing other distros but keep the debian partition clean |
| 18:33.49 | adaran | though debian has been slow as molassis ... (x.org, sarge, kde 3.4, etc). i wouldn't mind these popping up in unstable |
| 18:33.52 | Rickyx | ariel: use kde 3.4 from alioth |
| 18:33.52 | abrotman | ariel: how do i put this .. you're probably fucked |
| 18:33.57 | ariel | well, but what can I do to save my debian system now? |
| 18:34.07 | adaran | ariel, remove the packages again? |
| 18:34.10 | abrotman | ariel: put the source back in for ubuntu |
| 18:34.12 | Rickyx | abrotman: :-P |
| 18:34.16 | Azar | adaran, fast is not allways "better" |
| 18:34.22 | abrotman | and then don't ever use kde again |
| 18:34.37 | abrotman | it's for girl scouts and the quilting club |
| 18:34.42 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:34.44 | Paganist | grep -r pattern / <---- this will search for the pattern recursively in all files, right ? |
| 18:34.45 | adaran | Azar, yeah, i can see that holds true for stable and testing (which i consider the "desktop stable") |
| 18:35.05 | dexter__ | abrotman :P |
| 18:35.22 | abrotman | Paganist: man grep ? |
| 18:35.28 | adaran | Azar, but i wouldn't mind unstable or experimental containing those pkgs. i'm using alioth pacakges right now, and i can't install kdevelop, since the kde 3.4 packages break it (well block 3.3, but kdevelop requires exactly that) |
| 18:35.40 | citral | Paganist: right, but consider that searching in binary files is pointless... you may want to combine a find with it |
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| 18:35.47 | Paganist | abrotman: i just did, i just want to make sure i understood the right way |
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| 18:35.49 | ariel | I kicked ubuntu, in fact I hate that distro because it makes uses of debian qualities for its own interest |
| 18:35.49 | dexter__ | adaran: So live with 3.3? |
| 18:35.57 | Azar | adaran, I allways prefer the "rock solid" great Debian than fancy-fast newer gadgets |
| 18:36.02 | Paganist | citral: yup, oki thanks |
| 18:36.04 | abrotman | ariel: too bad .. you have to more than likely put it back to fix your system |
| 18:36.13 | adaran | dexter__, yeah right. now please don't ever lecture me about "choice" again :P |
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| 18:36.30 | Azar | adaran I have been experimenting with sid, is fun but I have no means of control over them |
| 18:36.41 | adaran | Azar, well, i like a rock solid base, but sometimes a package has me drooling, so i want to add it with as few deps as possible |
| 18:36.51 | adaran | Azar, i only have a couple of sid packages |
| 18:37.19 | Rickyx | a combination of testing + unstable is good. |
| 18:37.23 | ariel | abrotman: you mean that my debian was dameged too seriously to be fixed? |
| 18:37.29 | tarzeau | ariel: they also give back. no? |
| 18:37.34 | abrotman | ariel: i mean .. put the crappy ubuntu source back in |
| 18:37.37 | adaran | Azar, or stuff like php 5.0 - some people may think it's not ready for production use (though it is quite stable, after all they released it) - now when developing, i don't need "that much" stability.... |
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| 18:38.05 | Rickyx | adaran: backports can be of help to us. |
| 18:38.24 | Azar | adaran, I am not a fan of php |
| 18:38.30 | adaran | Azar, it's just an example |
| 18:38.42 | Azar | adaran, oh my bad then.. misunderstood |
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| 18:38.53 | adaran | Azar, it's simply PHP 5.0 has been declared stable month ago (by the PHP ppl) and it is pretty exciting for a php dev |
| 18:39.03 | Nosf3ratu | I recenly was asked a configuration question as to disallowing the entrance into home directories by other users on the system -- what option is set by saying Y to this? |
| 18:39.05 | adaran | Azar, mind you, php 4.0 is a load of crap compared against 5.0 |
| 18:39.06 | abrotman | adaran: they told me differently :) |
| 18:39.10 | ariel | abrotman: I'd like to, but apt-get is unusable, it's too dameged |
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| 18:39.19 | adaran | abrotman, about that? |
| 18:39.24 | abrotman | ariel: add the damn source back in .. or show me the freaking error |
| 18:39.26 | abrotman | adaran: php5 |
| 18:39.41 | Rickyx | ariel: try with `apt-get dist-upgrade` |
| 18:39.42 | abrotman | adaran: that was more like january though i htink i asked |
| 18:39.42 | adaran | abrotman, oh, what's wrong with it? |
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| 18:39.53 | abrotman | adaran: they said they wouldn't use it for production systems |
| 18:39.59 | EvanCarroll | Anyone know of any problems with nforce chipset on linux? |
| 18:40.00 | citral | bingo |
| 18:40.00 | ariel | abrotman: ok, wait, I'm back soon |
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| 18:40.13 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: sure |
| 18:40.18 | adaran | abrotman, all depends. i think it's stable enough for 95% of the websites employing php (which are not that big scale) |
| 18:40.21 | abrotman | Anyone know of any problems with nvidia on linux? |
| 18:40.22 | dvs | EvanCarroll: nforce what? |
| 18:40.23 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: soundcard? graphics or network? |
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| 18:40.32 | adaran | abrotman, at any rate, i think that warrants php5 packages in unstable |
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| 18:40.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure, no real drivers for nvidia on powerpc |
| 18:40.41 | abrotman | adaran: if your job depends on it .. do you take that 5% chance? |
| 18:40.41 | adaran | abrotman, they needn't be the default |
| 18:40.57 | abrotman | adaran: and if you take that chance .. i wouldn't hire you :) |
| 18:40.57 | EvanCarroll | tarzeau: mobo, Nvidia Nforce4 Chipset mboard for AMD Socket 939 CPU |
| 18:40.59 | citral | anyone know any problem at all? |
| 18:41.07 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: what's your problem? |
| 18:41.19 | adaran | abrotman, now see it from a devs perspective: can you afford to fall behind in what's coming? because sooner or later it will be stable =) |
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| 18:41.33 | EvanCarroll | tarzeau: i'm wanting to know if it is a sound purchase or if anyone has had lots of problems getting them to work properly |
| 18:41.40 | abrotman | adaran: but a production system is different than a dev box |
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| 18:41.45 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: i don't have exactly your hardware |
| 18:41.50 | Yabden | the nvidia nforce drivers arent all that great, but they do work |
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| 18:42.06 | adaran | abrotman, no doubt.t a production system would run stable i guess (but it's so old, one might even consider testing) |
| 18:42.12 | abrotman | adaran: have all the php5 you want on dev .. but if you put it into production iwth a 5% chance of going south .. dumb dumb dumb |
| 18:42.13 | tarzeau | Yabden: i've had troubles with the free nvidia network drivers -- had to use the non-free ones |
| 18:42.15 | adaran | abrotman, now that does not mean there can't be php5 in experimental or unstable or? |
| 18:42.18 | Yabden | personally i use forcedeth for ethernet and the official nvidia sound drivers for sound |
| 18:42.23 | tarzeau | Yabden: of course this sucks majorly |
| 18:42.27 | Yabden | the nvidia officially ethernet driver is pretty bad |
| 18:42.32 | abrotman | adaran: that's nto up to me .. that's the developers thing .. you can certainly ask him |
| 18:42.34 | EvanCarroll | Yabden: if given the choice would you purchase another nforce board or get a via instead? |
| 18:42.36 | tarzeau | Yabden: the linux one didn't work at all |
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| 18:42.43 | greycat | EvanCarroll: for me, definitely the VIA |
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| 18:42.46 | adaran | abrotman, i'm not bitching about php5 not beeing in stable or testing - i'm complaining about it not beeing in experimental or testing at all =) |
| 18:42.46 | tarzeau | Yabden: i tried the latest from 2.6 as well as 2.4 |
| 18:42.50 | dvs | EvanCarroll: What motherboard are you looking at? |
| 18:42.51 | Yabden | i got it working but then switched back to forcedeth |
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| 18:43.02 | Yabden | yeah i would say it depends on the motherboard you are looking at rather than the chipset |
| 18:43.02 | Hmmhesays | what is a scandisk equivalent for debian? |
| 18:43.11 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: for what filesystem? |
| 18:43.11 | caphuso | i think i'd rather have a nforce board than this asus via crap board i have now |
| 18:43.13 | abrotman | adaran: right .. ask the maintainer |
| 18:43.14 | abrotman | !maint php4 |
| 18:43.15 | Yabden | k8t880/90 and nforce3 250/4 are both good |
| 18:43.17 | EvanCarroll | Elitegroup's NFORCE4-A939 |
| 18:43.19 | Hmmhesays | ext3 |
| 18:43.19 | Rickyx | adaran: let sarge release first, then you might see php5 |
| 18:43.19 | dpkg | php4: Adam Conrad <adconrad@0c3.net> |
| 18:43.24 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: that company sucks |
| 18:43.34 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: alias scandisk="echo" |
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| 18:43.55 | adaran | Rickyx, yes, thumbs up there. but err... that'll be when, 2005? =) |
| 18:43.59 | ariel | abrotman: well, I removed ubuntu entries from source.list, now I'm runing apt-get dist-upgrade all from debian sarge servers in order to recovery my sarge |
| 18:44.09 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: oh wait not defrag... man fsck.ext3 |
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| 18:44.16 | caphuso | tarzeau: alias scandisk="echo -n scanning...; sleep 2h; echo ' done'" |
| 18:44.18 | Azar | EvanCArroll you might check the nVidia site for drivers related to your mobo |
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| 18:44.26 | nayyares | Is there any XML EDITOR available ? |
| 18:44.27 | ariel | abrotman: I meant recover |
| 18:44.28 | Rickyx | adaran: soon. When we help the developers fix the bugs. |
| 18:44.29 | adaran | Rickyx, saying "we'll make major changes when sarge is released" is ok in my book. but then taking forever to release it isn't (ok as in "good" before someone yells "don't complain, it's free") |
| 18:44.38 | tarzeau | actually, i'd even say scandisk is badblocks |
| 18:44.38 | dvs | nayyares: Quanta |
| 18:44.44 | gravity | nayyares: conglomerate or any major text editor will do it |
| 18:44.50 | adaran | Rickyx, well the only bugs i have is because i try to add stuff like x.org and kde 3.4 =) |
| 18:44.51 | abrotman | ariel: did oyu just say ubuntu and sarge servers in one statement ? |
| 18:44.52 | citral | adaran: stop trolling now please. |
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| 18:45.01 | tarzeau | nayyares: if you can. don't use XML |
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| 18:45.20 | tarzeau | nayyares: that will keep away problems like looking for xml editors... |
| 18:45.23 | adaran | citral, you have a twisted view of "trolling" it seems |
| 18:45.24 | stew | adaran: there is an ITP filed for php5, read that if you want to know whats up with a pacakge for experimental |
| 18:45.35 | Rickyx | adaran: that leaves you alone then. You can't complain. |
| 18:45.35 | abrotman | adaran: you're kind of baiting |
| 18:45.39 | adaran | stew, ITP? |
| 18:45.41 | drp | I wish #latex was as active as this channel |
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| 18:45.46 | ariel | abrotman: yes, it was the stupid thing I ever done |
| 18:45.49 | gravity | adaran: If you have problems then please help with the release effort |
| 18:45.49 | nayyares | tarzeau: kiding :( |
| 18:45.52 | astronut | drp: latex? |
| 18:45.56 | abrotman | adaran: debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 18:46.00 | stew | !itp |
| 18:46.00 | dpkg | itp is probably Intent To Package |
| 18:46.00 | drp | LaTeX sorry |
| 18:46.05 | tarzeau | nayyares: there is better ways to store data than XML |
| 18:46.07 | astronut | drp: oh, ok |
| 18:46.15 | stew | !dbugs 262977 |
| 18:46.20 | dpkg | #262977:W[wnpp] ITP: php5 -- A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:33:04 UTC |
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| 18:46.29 | astronut | !katie |
| 18:46.29 | dpkg | it has been said that katie is who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7 |
| 18:46.37 | astronut | that's 2:52 on east coast right? |
| 18:46.39 | astronut | or 1:52? |
| 18:46.43 | astronut | !date |
| 18:46.43 | dpkg | The current date is Tue Mar 29 18:46:44 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 18:46.44 | adaran | abrotman, well if expressing ones views in a mannered way is considered baiting, i guess i'm guilty as charged. =) |
| 18:46.46 | abrotman | 252 i think |
| 18:46.50 | nayyares | tarzeau: SOAP ? |
| 18:46.50 | astronut | 2:52 |
| 18:46.58 | Rickyx | rickyx_:python-gilliam: test msg |
| 18:47.04 | tarzeau | nayyares: i have soap in my shower |
| 18:47.15 | abrotman | adaran: but continuing .. you're also complaining to the wrong people .. most here aren't DDs .. and certainly not the php maintainer |
| 18:47.20 | dvs | 1:52 EST |
| 18:47.30 | chrysopa | Hi |
| 18:47.33 | nayyares | tarzeau: i have to bind XML-RPC for guile :( |
| 18:47.42 | adaran | abrotman, oh PHP is just an example. the inofficial php5 packages i have work very well (haven't had any trouble with them) |
| 18:47.44 | zoroman | Hi, I've got a problem for debian/xfree86 experts, please take a look at http://yolagang.servebeer.com/bug |
| 18:47.49 | Rickyx | adaran: if you complain to the DD's you'll get better answers than us and will get the reasons for the delays. |
| 18:47.50 | astronut | dvs: no..it's 18:46 now UTC |
| 18:47.51 | abrotman | adaran: unofficial |
| 18:47.57 | chrysopa | I try to change my lstp server from 3 to 4.1, but I have a problem. |
| 18:47.57 | astronut | so 19:52 would be an hour from now |
| 18:48.00 | astronut | os 2:52 |
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| 18:48.04 | nayyares | tarzeau: i am learning XML, its ma first day :( |
| 18:48.16 | stew | astronut: EST is currently 13:48 |
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| 18:48.19 | dvs | ltsp? |
| 18:48.23 | tarzeau | nayyares: forced or freely? |
| 18:48.32 | abrotman | stew: are you sure? |
| 18:48.32 | adaran | abrotman, well from people.debian.org - but my point is, php5 just served as an example for the point i'm trying to drive home, which would be "there could be a few more packages in experimental and unstable" |
| 18:48.36 | Jappis | hmm.. i'm removing package with apt (duh) and it just don't go. it gives me this error -- http://apollo.piramk.fi/~maenpaa/Debian/apt-prob.txt |
| 18:48.38 | astronut | stew: right...it's 18:48 UTC |
| 18:48.44 | stew | abrotman: pretty sure |
| 18:49.02 | tarzeau | Jappis: that is not an official package! |
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| 18:49.05 | gravity | heh... "blazingly fast" |
| 18:49.19 | Jappis | tarzeau, i know =\ |
| 18:49.20 | tarzeau | Jappis: don't whine! that is NOT debian |
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| 18:49.33 | gravity | zoroman: Your problem is the unofficial package |
| 18:49.40 | gravity | zoroman: They appear to be unstable. Don't use them |
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| 18:49.46 | abrotman | adaran: right .. and theny our shit breaks .. and then you whine about that :) |
| 18:49.49 | gravity | zoroman: Or, if you prefer, debug them |
| 18:49.51 | adaran | rickyx_, i must admit, i'm not 100% familiar with the debian way of handling dev stuff. let's say if i wanted to find out what's the delay on php5 and see if i can help, where'd i go? |
| 18:49.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha :) |
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| 18:49.59 | zoroman | gravity: even without these package it doesn't work |
| 18:49.59 | astronut | Jappis: try dpkg --purge |
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| 18:50.12 | tarzeau | Jappis: this is not an apt problem. |
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| 18:50.20 | gravity | zoroman: Your machine crashes even without dri? |
| 18:50.29 | temponan | when using stunnel between two servers that serve as a bridge between two non-ssl applications; when using a selfsigned certificate on the serverside, what do I put on the clientside to make sure the endpoint is really my selfsigned cert? |
| 18:50.36 | adaran | abrotman, doesn't experimental come with a disclaimer? you know, something implied by, uh, "experimental" ? |
| 18:50.41 | zoroman | no, only with dri enabled in XF86Config-4 |
| 18:50.42 | astronut | my box crashes with xfree + nvidia (+ xinerama) |
| 18:50.43 | abrotman | adaran: so does sid .. and testing |
| 18:50.48 | nayyares | tarzeau: i put my self in this hot water tub, but now its ma semester final project, i have less than 30 days to complete it :( :( |
| 18:50.49 | gravity | zoroman: Well, disable DRI then |
| 18:51.00 | gravity | zoroman: Your 3d acceleration drivers are buggy. Don't use them. |
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| 18:51.02 | gravity | Pretty simple |
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| 18:51.03 | Jappis | astronut, hmm. don't work =\ |
| 18:51.15 | citral | !doesn't work |
| 18:51.15 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:51.18 | astronut | Jappis: sorry, dunno what to tell you |
| 18:51.20 | zoroman | I know but I am trying to make them work |
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| 18:51.40 | astronut | citral: he was responding to a statement, i think doesn't work is applicable there |
| 18:51.44 | tarzeau | nayyares: what is the goal , what must you produce or present at the end? |
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| 18:51.50 | Jappis | astronut, ok, thanks anyway. i'll still try =) |
| 18:51.52 | adaran | abrotman, well, considering testing is to become the new stable, i'd certainly be more willing to complain about that :P |
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| 18:51.53 | tarzeau | nayyares: is there a rule it must be XML? |
| 18:52.02 | citral | he can past the error |
| 18:52.02 | abrotman | adaran: and that's why there is a BTS .. |
| 18:52.14 | astronut | citral: i'd assume it's the same error as before :-P |
| 18:52.22 | citral | yeah, possibly |
| 18:52.34 | markybob | zoroman, apparently that card/driver doesnt work with dri. you think you're gonna make it work? that's an old, crappy card |
| 18:52.36 | gravity | zoroman: Don't /msg me (see /topic please). Speak in here where everyone can help you |
| 18:52.40 | nayyares | tarzeau: problem is that my project title is BINDING XML-RPC for GUILE . |
| 18:52.54 | tarzeau | nayyares: yeah THAT really is a problem |
| 18:52.56 | citral | Jappis: read man dpkg, look for the force options |
| 18:53.01 | tarzeau | nayyares: did you choose the title or someone else? |
| 18:53.04 | gravity | zoroman: DRI is a good thing, but it's very hard to write good drivers for it, so they crash sometimes |
| 18:53.11 | gravity | zoroman: So if you can't use it then don't |
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| 18:53.25 | zoroman | gravity: so there is nothing I can do... |
| 18:53.38 | Jappis | citral, ofcourse, thanks =) |
| 18:53.38 | hob | Anybody know of a MS Access substitute??? (don't laugh) |
| 18:53.51 | gravity | zoroman: Debug the driver, submit a bug report... you have plenty you can do |
| 18:53.52 | adaran | abrotman, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293832 -- well at least i'm not alone =) |
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| 18:54.03 | temponan | hob access isn't a db, so I wouldn't know :) |
| 18:54.05 | temponan | hob mysql? |
| 18:54.07 | abrotman | adaran: there are tons of those .. they mean nothing |
| 18:54.08 | nayyares | tarzeau: first it was me who did it, but now my project supervisor is playing with me. |
| 18:54.11 | chrysopa | The syslogd stop with this message: Cannot write to remote file handle on 192.168.128.130:514 |
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| 18:54.19 | gravity | adaran: Help with the release. All of Debian is volunteer-based |
| 18:54.24 | chrysopa | What is the problem |
| 18:54.25 | abrotman | adaran: you want quality stuff .. wait for it .. otherwise .. use windows |
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| 18:54.28 | zoroman | gravity: ok thanks for your help |
| 18:54.31 | FieldySnuts | the syslogd on that system isn't set up to receive remote logging info |
| 18:54.32 | chrysopa | where is the problem |
| 18:54.35 | gravity | zoroman: Good luck |
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| 18:54.44 | citral | hob: did you first "apt-cache search microsoft access" ? |
| 18:54.44 | tarzeau | nayyares: pick alot of money from a bank, and go abroad |
| 18:54.55 | chrysopa | I think this |
| 18:55.00 | adaran | gravity, i would but as i understand there _IS_ a team handling php |
| 18:55.02 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: phbsmite? |
| 18:55.04 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: i don't know |
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| 18:55.09 | takatumi | tarzeau: works fine, kid won't let me play it yet though, he wants it all. :) |
| 18:55.15 | gravity | adaran: So? That doesn't mean you can't help. They've got lots to do. |
| 18:55.18 | hob | temponan - I need a pathetic GUI front for others to finish what I start - and I don't have time to teach SQL |
| 18:55.21 | tarzeau | takatumi: hehe, it's a great game, ain't it? |
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| 18:55.28 | adaran | gravity, so all i could do would be provide inofficial packages (which someone who's much more knowledgeable then me has already done) |
| 18:55.33 | tarzeau | takatumi: i'm at world 5 meanwhile |
| 18:55.35 | ariel | how I can remove entire kde with apt-get ? |
| 18:55.40 | stew | adaran: or help debug the existing packages |
| 18:55.40 | citral | !remove kde |
| 18:55.40 | dpkg | somebody said remove kde was apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 18:55.41 | nayyares | tarzeau: what is the other solution you have in mind? |
| 18:55.48 | chrysopa | I dont find how to make my server to accept remote log and dont find how to desable syslod in ltps config |
| 18:55.54 | chrysopa | ltsp |
| 18:55.54 | temponan | hob mmm, don't think there is a perfect replacement, unless you can find something on freshmeat.net |
| 18:55.55 | adaran | gravity, well, i quote "PHP5 packages have been in the works for a while, but keep taking a backseat to php4 and Sarge release issues." -- now there should be a page that says "how to help with the sarge release" =) |
| 18:55.57 | gravity | adaran: Uh... no. You could, like, join the team, fix bugs, submit patches, etc |
| 18:56.05 | FieldySnuts | @lart syslogd |
| 18:56.16 | gravity | adaran: Dude... bugs.debian.org/php |
| 18:56.22 | gravity | adaran: That's how you can help with the sarge release |
| 18:56.23 | tarzeau | nayyares: none. well you can try to bribe whoever is on top of you |
| 18:56.26 | gravity | adaran: It's not that hard |
| 18:56.26 | FieldySnuts | better question for ltsp (which this channel doesn't cover anyway0 |
| 18:56.26 | stew | adaran: /topic #debian-bugs |
| 18:56.29 | zoroman | gravity: should I write a bug report to debian or DRI |
| 18:56.30 | takatumi | tarzeau: the graphics look good, will be a while before I get to world 5. :) |
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| 18:56.37 | tarzeau | nayyares: if it's of the other gender, you can try bribing by sleeping with her |
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| 18:56.46 | adaran | gravity, stew allright, i'll give it a shot |
| 18:56.49 | gravity | zoroman: I'd send it to the DRI guys since you were using their packages |
| 18:57.00 | stew | adaran: the best way you can help with the release is here: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignnew=on&ignpatch=on&new=5 |
| 18:57.07 | EvilSporkMan | has anyone else noticed memory leaks with the gtk2-engines-magicchicken themes? |
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| 18:57.19 | zoroman | gravity: but the same bug happen with debian's |
| 18:57.27 | hob | temponan , guess I'll get brushing up on my SQL teaching skills... |
| 18:57.29 | tarzeau | takatumi: you want to print a map of the castle and read this: http://www.msxnet.org/konami/mog/ |
| 18:57.36 | gravity | zoroman: Then you can send it to Debian if you want, but I think the DRI guys will pay more attention to it |
| 18:57.45 | temponan | hob I'm afraid so ;/ |
| 18:57.51 | takatumi | tarzeau: will do. |
| 18:57.53 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: screenshot? |
| 18:58.00 | gravity | zoroman: You may want to check their bugs though. They may already have one open for your problem |
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| 18:58.21 | Nosf3ratu | I recently was asked (during an upgrade) if I wanted to lock users out of other users home directories -- what option does this set? Is it just permissions on /home, or something else? |
| 18:58.24 | temponan | any stunnel users here that have an answer to my stupid certificate question about the client verifying the certificate it gets from the server? |
| 18:58.25 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: how do you take a picture of a memory leak? I have valgrind output... |
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| 18:58.39 | nayyares | tarzeau: i mean what problem you have discovered in XML-RPC ? |
| 18:58.39 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: i mean of the theme |
| 18:58.48 | tarzeau | nayyares: i hate xml |
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| 18:59.07 | tarzeau | nayyares: it gives me eye cancer |
| 18:59.17 | gravity | harsh |
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| 19:00.52 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: if it leaks 1 byte / year, i wouldn't rate it important |
| 19:00.55 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: well, using gaim, i can leak about 120 MB / day |
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| 19:01.06 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: well that makes it unusable if you ask me |
| 19:01.28 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: it's only a couple hundred k in the short run, but if i leave gaim on overnight i'm thrashing to disk when i wake up |
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| 19:01.48 | nayyares | tarzeau: but there should be solid reason for this cancer, or this cancer is actually alergy. |
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| 19:02.11 | tarzeau | nayyares: maybe it's really just something psychological |
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| 19:02.52 | EvilSporkMan | gravity: the problem is that they don't call it valGRIND for nothing ;) |
| 19:03.16 | adaran | my problem with valgrind is that it segfaults too much on its own =/ |
| 19:03.26 | nayyares | tarzeau: which data storing method will you prefer ? |
| 19:03.27 | gravity | EvilSporkMan: Valgrind is awesome |
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| 19:03.35 | tarzeau | nayyares: depends on the data and amount |
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| 19:03.45 | Hmmhesays | hmm if I clone a hard disk with cp, can I just change my lilo.conf to install lilo in the slave drives mbr? |
| 19:03.46 | tarzeau | nayyares: but generally i like property lists (see OPENSTEP, GNUstep) |
| 19:03.57 | EvilSporkMan | gravity: yes, but i don't have a dev box to run it on - 750 mHz P3 currently |
| 19:04.03 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: i'd clone it with dd or sdd |
| 19:04.11 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: and replace lilo with grub |
| 19:04.23 | Hmmhesays | i didn't ask what you'd do, I asked if I could do it that way |
| 19:04.24 | Hmmhesays | heh |
| 19:04.25 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: you'll need to edit fstab too if the master/slave changes |
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| 19:04.39 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: yes you could, and it will be painfull with lilo |
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| 19:04.47 | tarzeau | .o(masochist) |
| 19:04.51 | Hmmhesays | well.. the idea is to get a clone that can just be put in if one fails |
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| 19:05.30 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: harddisks fail in such moments |
| 19:05.41 | Hmmhesays | so the drive would be /dev/hda once it is intalled |
| 19:05.42 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: make the second machine running and monitor it |
| 19:05.47 | sean_micken | i need to figure out my horiz sync/vert refresh range for my Dell laptop display, how would i go about doing this (the dell docs don;t say). |
| 19:05.58 | Sharcho | Any idea how it would be possible to run a program, and upon reciving a certain output from the program, daemonize it? |
| 19:06.02 | Hmmhesays | but when I cp it would be /dev/hdb |
| 19:06.17 | tarzeau | Sharcho: see #c /topic |
| 19:06.25 | gravity | That's a cool question |
| 19:06.25 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: i wouldn't use cp |
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| 19:06.33 | Hmmhesays | why not? |
| 19:06.41 | gravity | Sharcho: You'd probably have to write a daemon around it that would do that |
| 19:06.42 | Hmmhesays | cp -dpR should perserve evertying |
| 19:06.50 | Hmmhesays | *preserve |
| 19:06.58 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: ahh you mean not a 1:1 copy of the harddisk, but only the content? |
| 19:07.02 | paulswm | cp -a is sufficient |
| 19:07.11 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: well you'll have to do the partitioning and filesystem creation |
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| 19:07.20 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: but you were like talking cloning (and that's dd/sdd to me) |
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| 19:07.30 | Hmmhesays | well, it would end up being a clone |
| 19:07.37 | lidocaine | Hmmhesays: use rsync |
| 19:07.37 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: no it wouldn't |
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| 19:07.49 | Hmmhesays | basically just a backup that can be put in if the drive fails |
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| 19:08.15 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: on a harddisk? |
| 19:08.31 | ndee | hi there, how can make a cron job which does the job every 5 minutes? For the first "field", is following the right code: 1-60/5 ? |
| 19:08.32 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: that will be put into somewhere (without having it running)? |
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| 19:08.35 | Hmmhesays | is if drive A fails, put in drive B and boot |
| 19:08.37 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: believe me it will fail |
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| 19:08.44 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: drive B will fail |
| 19:08.47 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: IT WILL FAIL |
| 19:08.50 | Danar | when is 2.6.11 going to be in the deb repository? |
| 19:08.58 | tarzeau | Danar: soon. |
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| 19:09.07 | Sharcho | gravity, thanks |
| 19:09.14 | tarzeau | ndee: man 5 crontab |
| 19:09.15 | Danar | i'd have figured it would at least have been in unstable by now |
| 19:09.16 | edibletext | tarzeau, fact: it has already failed |
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| 19:09.30 | tarzeau | ndee: */5 |
| 19:09.39 | Hmmhesays | haha |
| 19:09.40 | citral | Danar: oh come on stop whining or use gentoo. |
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| 19:09.57 | Danar | citral: i'd have to start whining first |
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| 19:10.16 | EvilSporkMan | citral: hey, be nice to gentoo...it'd be great if they did more binary packages =P |
| 19:10.16 | tarzeau | citral: that reads like "idiot!" |
| 19:10.20 | schelm | hi, after "shutdown -h now" my debian says "power down" but it dont switch off, what can i do? |
| 19:10.25 | gravity | Danar: The kernel team has decided to go with 2.8 for the sarge release, so that's where they've been focusing their energy |
| 19:10.27 | EvilSporkMan | schelm: you need to setup apm |
| 19:10.34 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: haha.. they don't have so much stuff that debian has |
| 19:10.37 | gravity | Danar: They're mainly trying to fix bugs to get it ready |
| 19:10.38 | edibletext | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.39 | EvilSporkMan | schelm: or perhaps acpi? |
| 19:10.42 | schelm | EvilSporkMan, how to do that? |
| 19:10.42 | nayyares | tarzeau: GNUstep, is interface designing tool :) |
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| 19:10.59 | tarzeau | nayyares: GNUstep is great. but how do you get to that sentence now? |
| 19:11.00 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: there's an ubuntu project to bring both package sets together =D |
| 19:11.08 | citral | oh I thought he was adaran attacking again... |
| 19:11.12 | schelm | EvilSporkMan, i tried to install acpi-modules but they dont work |
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| 19:11.18 | tarzeau | nayyares: actually Gorm is an interface designing application. not GNUstep |
| 19:11.26 | queuetue | Has anyone used vncviewer in -listen mode? When i try it, I get "X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist) \n Major opcode of failed request: 45 (X_OpenFont)" and it dies... |
| 19:11.28 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: ubuntu only does 2000 packages |
| 19:11.31 | EvilSporkMan | schelm: apm is more likely to work than ACPI - it's older |
| 19:11.35 | citral | Danar: sorry for the brutal answer. |
| 19:11.40 | Danar | alright. just seems odd that there've been several updates to 2.6.11 and still not a single version in unstable |
| 19:11.51 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: all the new packages get into debian first. or do you know one that's not yet in debian but somewhere else (and that is free software) |
| 19:12.10 | Danar | seems to be a common problem |
| 19:12.14 | tarzeau | Danar: that'd go in experimental |
| 19:12.19 | gravity | Danar: Well, that's the reason. You're totally free to use kernel-package to build your own 2.6.11 kernel |
| 19:12.23 | tarzeau | Danar: to not make troubles with testing and sarge release |
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| 19:13.03 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: hey i was just telling you years of experience |
| 19:13.06 | Danar | tarzeau: ok. makes sense. just didn't think it would take so long |
| 19:13.07 | dumpling | how to build a file with name include date/time info? |
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| 19:13.35 | tarzeau | dumpling: echo file > `date -s`.txt ? |
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| 19:13.49 | nayyares | tarzeau: GNUstep is a free, standard, object-oriented, cross-platform development environment meant to provide generalized visual interface design, a cohesive user interface, and look good as well. GNUstep is based on and completely compatible with the OpenStep |
| 19:13.49 | tarzeau | +%s actually |
| 19:13.57 | dumpling | tarzeau: thank u |
| 19:14.03 | tarzeau | nayyares: that is right. what you said was wrong |
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| 19:14.06 | digitalbit | help! cannot use codepage=860 in fstab to mount samba share (so that I can use special chars) .. It crashes my system ? using kernel 2.4.18 and samba 3.0.11 |
| 19:14.12 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: porn-get? |
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| 19:14.21 | tarzeau | nayyares: actually that's hilarious YOU are telling ME what GNUstep is... |
| 19:14.32 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: add a verb, and i will understand you |
| 19:14.34 | citral | heh |
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| 19:14.53 | nayyares | tarzeau: no just copy it from GNUstep :) |
| 19:15.03 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: porn-get is free software that is not in debian |
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| 19:15.24 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: it was packaged, but discussed better not to go in. i can find you the .debs. what other distro has it? |
| 19:15.28 | FarrisG | when you give cp the -l to make links instead of copies, what happens when you later make changes or edit the contents of those links? |
| 19:15.42 | nayyares | tarzeau: i want to understand that GNUstep, whether this framwork give data storage methods |
| 19:15.44 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: funny. know who wrote it? |
| 19:15.53 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: fine, you win. and no, I don't know who wrote it |
| 19:16.05 | tarzeau | nayyares: yes it does. property lists |
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| 19:16.09 | Petrov | i have a question. debian GNU/linux comes with absolutely no warranty, to the extent permitted by applicable law. Peter@peter:~$ what must i do |
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| 19:16.33 | Pappa | Petrov: ? |
| 19:16.34 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: me ;) |
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| 19:16.39 | citral | Petrov: apt-setup |
| 19:16.45 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: of all the rotten luck |
| 19:16.49 | tarzeau | Petrov: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 19:16.56 | schelm | EvilSporkMan, there is /etc/apm, how can i insert this module? |
| 19:16.58 | citral | wait he must be root first |
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| 19:17.00 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.08 | Petrov | oké thx |
| 19:17.10 | citral | Petrov: first: su |
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| 19:17.15 | nayyares | tarzeau: property lists ? |
| 19:17.24 | Pappa | no, he pasted some of the motd and hit pormpt |
| 19:17.26 | tarzeau | citral: it's funny how he got here, without knowing almost nothing |
| 19:17.30 | tarzeau | nayyares: yes. |
| 19:17.30 | Pappa | his prompt* |
| 19:17.33 | Slacker_KnK | Tem algum brasileiro aki? |
| 19:17.35 | tarzeau | nayyares: apt-get install gnustep gnustep-devel |
| 19:17.39 | gravity | !br |
| 19:17.39 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:17.42 | citral | tarzeau: :) |
| 19:17.42 | tarzeau | nayyares: and #gnustep |
| 19:17.55 | Slacker_KnK | ok tanks dpkg |
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| 19:18.45 | tarzeau | maybe we should replace /bin/login with an irc client. so freshly installed people come right here |
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| 19:19.00 | bimmerd00d | i can't get X to run, can anyone help? |
| 19:19.05 | greycat | tarzeau: no, send them to #ubuntu. |
| 19:19.05 | citral | an url to a FAQ would be better |
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| 19:19.09 | tarzeau | dpkg topicsmite bimmerd00d |
| 19:19.09 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bimmerd00d. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 19:19.22 | greycat | !faq bimmerd00d |
| 19:19.22 | dpkg | bimmerd00d: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:19.23 | citral | for further help type lynx debian.org |
| 19:19.25 | nayyares | tarzeau: thanks |
| 19:19.56 | nayyares | tarzeau: you can answer these question there, i am waiting for you :) #gnustep |
| 19:20.00 | bimmerd00d | i already went through that, i have it installed, im getting an error regarding fonts when i run |
| 19:20.00 | tarzeau | citral: or read all strings /dev/hda | more and come back? |
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| 19:20.12 | citral | heh |
| 19:20.16 | Azar | I find and collect lots of Debian "help" articles from all around the web, written in "easy-to-read and understand" style |
| 19:20.29 | Opiated | how/where can I get the source code to programs like ls/clear/rm/mv/ etc. |
| 19:20.38 | Azar | then I check some issues here for "validation" |
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| 19:20.54 | bimmerd00d | Warning: Font renderer for '.pcf" already registered at priority 0" is what comes up when i start X |
| 19:20.57 | tarzeau | Opiated: try dpkg -S `which ls` |
| 19:21.07 | tarzeau | Opiated: then apt-get source whatever it says |
| 19:21.13 | redloff | my konquerror hangs for a few seconds after each one or two operations, what should I begin debugging with? |
| 19:21.20 | tarzeau | Opiated: clear is a builtin command of the shell |
| 19:21.22 | expo | hi! looking for tutorial compiling 2.6 debian way .... any hints ? |
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| 19:21.36 | redloff | it's only the konq, rest of kde works fine |
| 19:21.41 | citral | expo: man make-kpkg |
| 19:21.45 | valdyn | !kp expo |
| 19:21.47 | tarzeau | Opiated: apt-get source `basename $SHELL` |
| 19:21.51 | Azar | tarzeau, the -s is a simulation request? |
| 19:22.00 | tarzeau | Azar: no, i said -S |
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| 19:22.04 | bimmerd00d | expo: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php |
| 19:22.14 | valdyn | expo: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:22.20 | Azar | thanks, tarzeau :) |
| 19:22.42 | tarzeau | it's good there's not a lowercase @ or half the email wouldn't reach me |
| 19:22.50 | citral | !lart konqueror for being an horrible unstable buggy thing |
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| 19:23.10 | expo | sorry - looking for *ONLINE* article compiling 2.6 debian way |
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| 19:23.17 | bimmerd00d | expo: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php |
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| 19:23.46 | Azar | expo, ask dpkg: /msg dpkg kernel2.6 |
| 19:24.03 | Opiated | so for that i'd have to get the source for bash to see how the clear function works? |
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| 19:24.38 | expo | Azar: dpkg says nothing |
| 19:24.40 | citral | Opiated: apt-get source bash |
| 19:24.45 | greycat | Opiated: the *what*? |
| 19:24.47 | Opiated | word |
| 19:24.48 | greycat | Opiated: type -a clear |
| 19:24.57 | miks | is anyone here running VSFTPD? |
| 19:25.00 | Opiated | yes |
| 19:25.01 | Opiated | I am |
| 19:25.06 | Opiated | its very nice |
| 19:25.07 | takatumi | expo: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 19:25.11 | greycat | man, why do people come up with the most *incredibly* stupid assumptions? |
| 19:25.28 | miks | Opiated, I'm thinking about installing now |
| 19:25.32 | citral | greycat: he wants to see the code of the "clear" function |
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| 19:25.38 | miks | vsftpd is the pkg? |
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| 19:25.42 | Opiated | yes |
| 19:25.45 | greycat | citral: type -a clear |
| 19:25.49 | miks | and that's all you need? |
| 19:25.51 | greycat | run the command 'type -a clear'. |
| 19:25.54 | greycat | at a bash prompt. |
| 19:25.56 | tarzeau | greycat: oh |
| 19:26.00 | expo | takatumi: thx, looking for use initrd, hope is there ;) |
| 19:26.07 | Opiated | greycat, what is wrong with looking at the souce code of it, to see how its done in c |
| 19:26.07 | Opiated | ? |
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| 19:26.12 | greycat | Opiated: type -a clear |
| 19:26.15 | tarzeau | greycat: i thought it's builtin because i always use ctrl-l |
| 19:26.27 | expo | takatumi: yep, looks good ! |
| 19:26.29 | Hmmhesays | tarzeau you were right with dd, i bow down |
| 19:26.31 | tarzeau | Opiated: echo -ne "\033[2J" |
| 19:26.31 | greycat | tarzeau: ctrl-L is not clear. |
| 19:26.35 | greycat | clear is a command |
| 19:26.36 | tarzeau | Opiated: man console_codes |
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| 19:26.41 | tarzeau | greycat: yes i noticed |
| 19:26.41 | citral | greycat: uh? /usr/bin/clear is a binary, what should he do with it? |
| 19:26.42 | Cyanophytes | is there any security risks when seting up debian to act as a dialup server |
| 19:26.49 | greycat | citral: it's NOT a function in bash. |
| 19:26.54 | greycat | citral: it's an external command. |
| 19:26.57 | citral | arf |
| 19:26.59 | citral | :P |
| 19:27.07 | tarzeau | citral: i was talking crap like clear was a builtin command |
| 19:27.18 | yoniserver2003 | hello all, (greycat ;)) i have sarge debian and i have understood i can log from outside onto the graphic end... how ? |
| 19:27.20 | citral | yeah clear to me :) |
| 19:27.26 | tarzeau | citral: BANG! |
| 19:27.28 | TheJumbo | Hi, I have switched from SCSI emilation to ATAPI burning and now need to be root in order to burn CDs, eve though my cdrecord is suid (!?!) Does anybody know what is going on? |
| 19:27.32 | greycat | yoniserver2003: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 19:27.36 | Pappa | In c: printf("\033"); |
| 19:27.43 | ix | Cyanophytes, there are security risks when setting up any server as anything |
| 19:27.44 | greycat | Pappa: uh, that's an escape. |
| 19:27.45 | yoniserver2003 | ok :) |
| 19:27.53 | Opiated | tarzeau, man its /usr/bin/clear |
| 19:27.56 | Opiated | heh |
| 19:28.00 | Pappa | right |
| 19:28.03 | Opiated | so its not built in bash |
| 19:28.03 | tarzeau | Opiated: man i just learnt it! |
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| 19:28.11 | greycat | !smite tarzeau |
| 19:28.13 | citral | tarzeau: I thought you knew what you were speaking of :))) |
| 19:28.15 | tarzeau | Opiated: yeah lart me, want me to bring you a whip? |
| 19:28.18 | Pappa | well in c++ it's std::cout << \033 .. pretty sure about that |
| 19:28.22 | tarzeau | citral: not always |
| 19:28.24 | TheJumbo | Hi, I have switched from SCSI emilation to ATAPI burning and now need to be root in order to burn CDs, eve though my cdrecord is suid (!?!) Does anybody know what is going on? |
| 19:28.26 | Opiated | yeh well u got grecat bitching at me |
| 19:28.32 | glitch- | a nice spanky dual 2.5GHz Apple G5 would be nice, but I'm clutching at straws, probably |
| 19:28.33 | Cyanophytes | ix: do you know of any howto's on setting up a dialup ppp server |
| 19:28.36 | greycat | Pappa: that's STILL just an escape character. by itself, it does nothing. |
| 19:28.37 | tarzeau | citral: but it's impressive how much people believe things without checking/knowing |
| 19:28.48 | stouset | TheJumbo: cdrecord is suid, but are you in the group? |
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| 19:29.00 | TheJumbo | yes |
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| 19:29.21 | citral | tarzeau: hell yeah. Human beeing. |
| 19:29.21 | stouset | TheJumbo: the cdrom group? |
| 19:29.31 | ix | Cyanophytes, google might know |
| 19:29.51 | TheJumbo | stouset: yes, I am the only member of that group, otherwise I would not be able to run cdrecord in the first place |
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| 19:30.27 | citral | tarzeau: rm -rf / will clean your apt cache! |
| 19:30.39 | stouset | citral: Don't even dare say that. |
| 19:30.40 | tarzeau | citral: hah! and rpm -e rpm your convenience room! |
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| 19:31.19 | simonrvn | @lart citral |
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| 19:31.29 | citral | oh no. |
| 19:31.39 | yoniserver2003 | Greycat; i have opened (/etc/ssh/sshd_config). i don't see it but how do i 'sshx is Enable X11Forwarding' |
| 19:31.40 | TheJumbo | I find the whole thing to be absolutely confusing... |
| 19:31.58 | tarzeau | citral: try `echo "/ fr- mr" | rev` |
| 19:32.00 | greycat | yoniserver2003: you see the word X11Forwarding in the file? |
| 19:32.02 | stouset | TheJumbo: Not sure what the problem is, man. Works fine for me. |
| 19:32.04 | simonrvn | yoniserver2003: man sshd_config |
| 19:32.05 | yoniserver2003 | nop |
| 19:32.15 | stouset | TheJumbo: is the cdrom device owned by cdrom? |
| 19:32.23 | stouset | TheJumbo: I know I fucked that up accidentally. |
| 19:32.27 | TheJumbo | stouset: what parameters do you give to cdrecord? |
| 19:32.29 | citral | tarzeau: nope. |
| 19:32.35 | greycat | arc1:/usr/local/bin# grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:32.35 | greycat | X11Forwarding yes |
| 19:32.39 | greycat | Any more stupid questions? |
| 19:32.44 | Opiated | i download the source for coreutils where can i find it now, I trie dpkg -L coreutils and it only list the binary package files |
| 19:32.44 | stouset | TheJumbo: I just use a frontend. Make sure your device is actually owned by cdrom. |
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| 19:33.01 | TheJumbo | stouset: cdrecord is suid.... I would thing that wouldn't matter |
| 19:33.09 | tarzeau | greycat: are you mad, or are you enjoying #debian as much as me? |
| 19:33.19 | yoniserver2003 | quit a few, but if this is not the place for stupid question i guess i have nothing to do here. Thanks a lot for your encouraging help ! |
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| 19:33.38 | stouset | TheJumbo: Check anyways? |
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| 19:34.20 | valdyn | Opiated: cd core<tab><tab> |
| 19:34.34 | TheJumbo | no, it's root:disk... let me elaborate on that... |
| 19:34.53 | Opiated | what is that supposed to do, I don't know where it is |
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| 19:35.00 | greycat | Opiated: ls |
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| 19:35.16 | Opiated | /usr/src is empty |
| 19:35.22 | greycat | Opiated: ls |
| 19:35.27 | Opiated | ls where? |
| 19:35.29 | greycat | I did not say ls /usr/src |
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| 19:35.33 | Opiated | ls / |
| 19:35.36 | greycat | NO! |
| 19:35.42 | greycat | ls WHEREVER THE FUCK YOU ARE RIGHT NOW. |
| 19:35.42 | Opiated | calm down |
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| 19:36.04 | Opiated | ok |
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| 19:36.19 | Opiated | i didn't know it got downloaded to active director |
| 19:36.42 | Opiated | short fucking fuse today |
| 19:36.58 | abrotman | only a 2amp |
| 19:37.00 | Nosf3ratu | "today"? |
| 19:37.07 | Nosf3ratu | Opiated must be new. |
| 19:37.16 | Opiated | greycat is having a bad day or something |
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| 19:37.30 | valdyn | Opiated: no |
| 19:38.00 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.01 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.01 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.12 | abrotman | greycat: so close :) |
| 19:38.25 | greycat | abrotman: I can count. :-P |
| 19:38.41 | abrotman | greycat: i knew you weren't really 12 years old |
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| 19:39.32 | Opiated | if one is automatically supposed to know such things, why do you have a debian support channel? |
| 19:39.32 | Opiated | kinda doesn't really work does it |
| 19:39.32 | Opiated | :) |
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| 19:40.42 | Azar | Opiated practice this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/index.html#contents Files and Filesystems |
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| 19:40.59 | greycat | I'd rather see him/her practice "man man". |
| 19:41.12 | npx | maaaan. |
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| 19:41.18 | Azar | greycat, myself I find man a little hard for newbies like I was |
| 19:41.19 | abrotman | Opiated: it's one thing to have a channel .. but apparently it's clearly in the man page |
| 19:41.32 | greycat | Azar: don't blame ME for the man pages being shitty. |
| 19:41.32 | tarzeau | Azar: i loved man (being a newbie) |
| 19:41.34 | greycat | I've *tried*. |
| 19:41.37 | Azar | greycat, I like "interactive" guides like the one above |
| 19:41.44 | tarzeau | they are not THAT shitty |
| 19:41.54 | npx | Azar, reading man pages (and technical docs in general) is an acquired talent |
| 19:42.02 | tarzeau | (imagine there were no man pages at all.. i mean look at dos the help command, it's hilarious) |
| 19:42.04 | Azar | man is a great guide for the ones who already are familiar |
| 19:42.05 | stouset | npx: One that should be aquired =P |
| 19:42.13 | greycat | tarzeau: I found another example today. resolv.conf(5) says that the search keyword takes a "list" but doesn't give the syntax of that list. |
| 19:42.19 | npx | takes a bit of practice... the thing to keep in mind is that they were usually written as an afterthought at the end of a 36hr caffiene induced coding binge |
| 19:42.28 | stouset | tarzeau: I agree. Finding how to do anything on DOS is a matter of googling and hoping. In Linux, you have the ability to bootstrap yourself. |
| 19:42.33 | Azar | for example the vitutor was really fun to study/learn |
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| 19:43.16 | Opiated | abrotman, i didn't know which manpage to read in order to find the source code to something, its not that big of a deal, to get greycat using all caps and 'yelling' |
| 19:43.17 | cahoot | greycat: the man page really syas to delimit with space/tabs (at least in sarge) |
| 19:43.42 | Azar | Opiated read the link I gave you, have fun |
| 19:43.46 | Opiated | i am on it |
| 19:43.47 | greycat | cahoot: oh... damn. I missed it. Sorry. |
| 19:43.48 | Opiated | :) |
| 19:43.56 | abrotman | Opiated: how did you download the source? .. i would think the same command's man page would tell you :) |
| 19:44.03 | greycat | cahoot: well, an example would have been clearer. |
| 19:44.16 | Opiated | abrotman, i didn't know apt-get was used to get the source too |
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| 19:44.23 | npx | Last version of DOS I actually used on a daily basis would call you an idiot if you mistyped a file name =D |
| 19:44.24 | nvz | manpages are nice, unlike howtos and other interactive documents, they are in a standard format. once you know how to read them, its always the same. |
| 19:44.28 | Avantopia | I have a wireless prism pcmcia card 802.11b and I would like to use this to connect to wireless networks with my laptop... how is this done in Debian? |
| 19:44.32 | cahoot | greycat: I just felt compelled to check - no malice intended ;) |
| 19:44.37 | thorie | im doing a tcpdump > out.txt& ... running in the background ... but out.txt is always 0 bytes even when I *know* there should be a lot of stuff being written to it |
| 19:44.38 | abrotman | Opiated: but you already got it somehow? |
| 19:44.47 | Avantopia | I had no success using the GNOME networking tool. |
| 19:44.48 | thorie | why won't my text file get updated? |
| 19:44.52 | Azar | interactive tutorials make the learning fun, gives the new user confidence |
| 19:44.52 | Opiated | well, now that I was told to use apt-get source, yes |
| 19:44.53 | Opiated | :) |
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| 19:44.59 | tarzeau | nvz: and you have a good $PAGER like less |
| 19:45.01 | greycat | thorie: is the process stopped? |
| 19:45.01 | npx | thorie, are you sure tcpdump is printing to stdout? |
| 19:45.41 | tarzeau | thorie: you want screen |
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| 19:46.04 | ndee | hi there, how can I check if a cronjob was executed successfully? |
| 19:46.11 | TheJumbo | stouted: it does not work :-( in fact, I have found some kernel bugreports describing what seems to be my problem... even though they are mostly for 2.6.8 and I am running 2.6.11.1 |
| 19:46.14 | greycat | ndee: it mails stdout and stderr to its owner. |
| 19:46.42 | tarzeau | ndee: and there is #linux.ch </spam> |
| 19:46.43 | Azar | Opiated when you are done, check this article out, wealth of info on apt-get : http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 19:46.49 | luulis | Azar: well, I think interactive tutorials are better only for interactive apps |
| 19:46.58 | thorie | npx: i think it is |
| 19:47.05 | ndee | greycat: how can I direct stderr into a file? * * * * * root php4 /www/typo3conf/ext/ed_lpesync/restore.php 2> /root/working.log would that work? |
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| 19:47.08 | thorie | greycat: no the process isn't stopped |
| 19:47.12 | greycat | ndee: yes |
| 19:47.15 | Azar | lullis maybe I have used the term "interactive" too loosely |
| 19:47.31 | Azar | luulis see "vimtutor" |
| 19:47.31 | greycat | thorie: does it write to that file if you omit the & ? |
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| 19:47.42 | nvz | tarzeau: in debian we use /usr/bin/pager, which links to /etc/alternatives/pager which links to the pager. $PAGER is usually not set |
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| 19:48.03 | greycat | nvz: mine is. :) |
| 19:48.10 | luulis | Azar: perhaps, but I prefer using manpages for stuff like system functions, simple commands etc and tutorials for complex text editors like vim or emacs |
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| 19:48.21 | tarzeau | nvz: so is mine |
| 19:48.21 | De_Mon | diff diff --ignore-file-name-case Z/ T/ |
| 19:48.21 | De_Mon | Only in T/: A |
| 19:48.21 | De_Mon | Only in Z/: a |
| 19:48.39 | nvz | oh well, I guess I am the oddball |
| 19:48.41 | npx | I really like it when I can figure out all I need to know abuot an application by using --help |
| 19:48.46 | Azar | luulis, I find it a little hard to just "read" something that might be forgotten next hour |
| 19:48.50 | holo | can't force a package to be installed, it requires the wrong dependence, and i have the right installed, what do i do? |
| 19:48.51 | tarzeau | nvz: not every user can change /usr/bin/pager |
| 19:48.56 | De_Mon | shoot, forgot I copied that. --ignore-file-name-case doesn't appear to be working, what gives? |
| 19:49.01 | Azar | "interactive" meaning "practice" as you read |
| 19:49.06 | nvz | tarzeau: point taken |
| 19:49.07 | tarzeau | nvz: i'd die if i had to use vim |
| 19:49.17 | nvz | heh |
| 19:49.18 | De_Mon | tarzeau you need to die then |
| 19:49.22 | npx | holo, specifics would be useful in this situation - are you attempting to use a package from unstable in stable or testing? |
| 19:49.23 | Azar | tarzeay, why? |
| 19:49.33 | tarzeau | Azar: hey don't start an editor war! |
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| 19:49.43 | greycat | tarzeau: you started it. |
| 19:49.46 | paulswm | !start an editor war |
| 19:49.46 | dpkg | xemacs is known to cause terminal cluelessness |
| 19:49.47 | Azar | I am a linux/Debian newbie and I find vim very comfortable for my level |
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| 19:50.09 | thorie | cool |
| 19:50.13 | npx | Personally, I use a text editor almost exclusively to draft e-mails (nano) or write python (kate) |
| 19:50.20 | holo | npx: non official, it requires libcurl2, but it is not instalable, of course it isn't it was replaced by libcurl3 |
| 19:50.24 | npx | but I am lame =) |
| 19:50.49 | npx | holo, What is the package? |
| 19:51.05 | nvz | I like kate (: I script in kate sometimes.. I like the way I can open and close loops and conditional statements |
| 19:51.11 | Azar | "insert newbie quote here: the best training guide to navigate vi is nethack" :) |
| 19:51.13 | holo | npx: amuled, very experimental, in fact i'm one of the few persons testing it |
| 19:51.21 | holo | in the deb pkg way |
| 19:51.27 | npx | nvz, the python class browser is what sealed the deal for me, very useful. |
| 19:51.42 | nvz | npx: ah, I didnt see that. |
| 19:51.49 | greycat | Azar: until you start trying to move diagonally in a text file |
| 19:51.52 | holo | i'm talking to the maintainer, maybe he can solve it soon :s |
| 19:51.56 | peterS | nvz: we need to talk licensing |
| 19:51.57 | npx | nvz, it's in kate-plugins |
| 19:52.03 | peterS | I'm not sure if your (: license is fully paid-up |
| 19:52.05 | Azar | greyhat :) good one, you own |
| 19:52.16 | tarzeau | Azar: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/dotnethackrc |
| 19:52.17 | nvz | peterS: meh? |
| 19:52.22 | holo | but if i could force it to install, that would be good |
| 19:52.23 | tarzeau | Azar: i'm glad i can use the numeric keypad |
| 19:52.26 | npx | holo that suonds like the thing to do - I'd try building it against libcurl3 manually, and if that fails, I'd contact the maintainer |
| 19:52.33 | nvz | peterS: oh |
| 19:52.34 | peterS | nvz: I have a patent on "use of left parenthesis and colon to produce a happy emoticon" |
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| 19:52.45 | Azar | tarzeay, the numeric pad is tabu for me, I am an accountant :) |
| 19:52.46 | nvz | peterS: sue me |
| 19:52.57 | miks | anyone wanna give me a hang with VSFTPD? |
| 19:53.02 | peterS | nvz: yeah, your lawyers will be hearing from my lawyers shortly |
| 19:53.04 | greycat | !hang miks |
| 19:53.05 | miks | hang = hand |
| 19:53.07 | miks | :) |
| 19:53.24 | tarzeau | miks: are you female? |
| 19:53.32 | nvz | peterS: heh. my lawyers are hitmen, they kill people who file bad patents |
| 19:53.32 | stouset | Can somebody explain to me the difference between xfonts packages and ttf packages? |
| 19:53.33 | holo | npx: i am talking to him, i am his beta tester :D he doesn't use the pkg, so only others can test it |
| 19:53.33 | miks | I'm getting an error that I think is an xinetd conflict |
| 19:53.43 | miks | tarzeau, no. |
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| 19:53.48 | npx | holo, yeah, I'm assuming he built it against woody? |
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| 19:53.51 | stouset | I assume ttf are TrueType, but are these better than the standard xfonts? |
| 19:54.04 | tarzeau | miks: i won't even give you a finger. do we look like mindreaders? what will you do with our hands? |
| 19:54.21 | Azar | :) |
| 19:54.24 | tarzeau | stouset: yes, can also be opentype really, yes/no (depends for what) |
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| 19:54.26 | miks | hehe |
| 19:54.33 | holo | npx: that what i asked him, and i got no responde, i suppose he is upgrading to sarge at least :s |
| 19:54.37 | stouset | tarzeau: Are these typically better fonts? |
| 19:54.40 | peterS | stouset: 'better' as in more advanced technology. whether they look better for some specific font at some specific size, that's not so obvious |
| 19:54.56 | tarzeau | stouset: your question is so philosophical |
| 19:54.56 | stouset | peterS: Alright, that's what I was wondering. |
| 19:54.58 | npx | holo, I'm not very familiar with libcurl but you might get lucky and it'll just build cleanly against v3 (i've seen stranger things!) |
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| 19:55.05 | tarzeau | stouset: there are plenty answers, and who knows which is right |
| 19:55.27 | peterS | stouset: if you take a plain bitmap font but it was really well designed and you display it at the same size it was designed, it'll look really good. even though it's technologically very simple |
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| 19:55.37 | nvz | oh, what have I got to do to make my shell script visable under windows, if'n I want to print it? the damn line breaks are all fucked in windows I dont know what its looking for |
| 19:55.47 | greycat | nvz: unix2dos |
| 19:55.49 | peterS | nvz: open it in wordpad.exe |
| 19:55.54 | peterS | nvz: wordpad knows about unix line endings |
| 19:56.06 | Avantopia | anyone here with a wireless laptop? |
| 19:56.08 | npx | nvz, or you could install cygwin =) |
| 19:56.12 | stouset | Avantopia: Yes. |
| 19:56.15 | slugbug | unix uses LF, Windows uses CR&LF |
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| 19:56.16 | nvz | fauk that |
| 19:56.19 | directhex | nvz, install ConText |
| 19:56.19 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.28 | greycat | nvz: install debian |
| 19:56.29 | xam | Avantopia: the kernel comes with prism2 support, alternatively you can use the hostap driver |
| 19:56.33 | tarzeau | slugbug: and mac CR |
| 19:56.36 | Avantopia | stouset, how do I get my pcmcia 802.11b card up and running? I can't connect to my network. |
| 19:56.44 | nvz | I got debian. I just don't have a printer |
| 19:56.46 | peterS | I hear good things about the third-party windows app editpad. I haven't tried it. I bet it takes unix line endings ok too, though |
| 19:56.48 | slugbug | tarzeau: yeah, that was very silly, I remember my old Mac days |
| 19:56.54 | stouset | Avantopia: Well, what's the problem? |
| 19:56.56 | jjm | I'm looking through different debian mirrors and it seems like the stable package list is different than the woody package list... is this right? |
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| 19:57.05 | stouset | Avantopia: is it recognizing the card? |
| 19:57.05 | Avantopia | xam, that is what I don't understand.. all the right modules are loaded. |
| 19:57.07 | tarzeau | jjm: no |
| 19:57.08 | greycat | jjm: shouldn't be. |
| 19:57.11 | stouset | Avantopia: Do you have pcmcia-cs? |
| 19:57.14 | npx | peterS, I can back that up - editpad is a decent editor |
| 19:57.18 | greycat | jjm: "stable" is just a symlink to woody on the mirrors |
| 19:57.21 | directhex | i prefer context |
| 19:57.21 | nvz | my script looks pretty, but its 100% useless right now |
| 19:57.29 | Avantopia | stouset, yep, everything is fine... stouset, let me check pcmcia-cs |
| 19:57.33 | nvz | at least when it looked like crap, it did something |
| 19:57.35 | xam | Avantopia: man iwconfig ... try to set up the connection manually, and if it works then edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:57.45 | jjm | tarzeau, specifically, it seems package 'ext2resize' only is in the 'stable' package list and not in the woody list... |
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| 19:57.59 | tarzeau | jjm: is that an official mirror? |
| 19:58.05 | Avantopia | xam, I think I need a manual setup. |
| 19:58.09 | Avantopia | stouset, yes. |
| 19:58.16 | jjm | tarzeau, i've check a couple secondary mirrors with this |
| 19:58.17 | Avantopia | xam, stouset thx for the leads |
| 19:58.27 | tarzeau | jjm: try packages.debian.org/ext2resize |
| 19:58.31 | xam | Avantopia: you have to give us more information ... *what* does not work? does the interface show up in 'ifconfig -a' or 'iwconfig' ? |
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| 19:58.51 | tarzeau | jjm: there are secondary official and unofficial mirrors |
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| 19:59.02 | peterS | nvz: anyway, as greycat says, you can use 'unix2dos' to convert to ms-dos line endings. or sed 's/$/\r/' |
| 19:59.02 | tarzeau | jjm: my question wasn't if it's a primary or secondary but official or not mirror |
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| 19:59.14 | greycat | nvz: /msg dpkg unix2dos |
| 19:59.15 | cg0def | I recently got an Echo IndigoDJ soundcard and the alsa package in apt seem to be missing the driver |
| 19:59.17 | miks | how do I restart VSFTPD? I'm getting a '500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket' error when I try to run vsftpd |
| 19:59.29 | cg0def | how can I fix that without breaking anything in debina |
| 19:59.31 | appaji | nvz: or install and use the flip package. |
| 19:59.31 | cg0def | debian |
| 19:59.34 | tarzeau | miks: do you have nother ftpd running already? |
| 19:59.36 | coachz | What's the current version of Debian Stable ? |
| 19:59.39 | xam | miks: there is already a ftp server running it seems |
| 19:59.46 | greycat | miks: lsof -i :21 |
| 19:59.46 | tarzeau | coachz: woody. 3.0(r4) |
| 19:59.49 | Avantopia | xam, eth0 is my realtek nic and eth1 is my ieee1394 ethernet and eth2 is my prism 802.11b wifi card. |
| 19:59.49 | appaji | coachz: r4. |
| 19:59.56 | miks | does sarge install with a FTPD server running? |
| 19:59.57 | coachz | is that old ? |
| 19:59.59 | jjm | tarzeau, I guess I'm not sure, I've checked only mirrors in the mirror list on debian.org |
| 20:00.03 | peterS | greycat: ewww. dpkg recommends terminating the file with an EOF. |
| 20:00.04 | Avantopia | xam, eth0 is not dhcpcd at boot. |
| 20:00.05 | greycat | miks: if you told it to. |
| 20:00.07 | tarzeau | miks: no if you ask me |
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| 20:00.14 | greycat | peterS: I didn't write that.... |
| 20:00.21 | Skyblaze | anyone has some problem with kde 3.4.0 and kmail with imap account? |
| 20:00.26 | miks | I didn't tell it to but I did the net install which seems to get a little funky |
| 20:00.26 | greycat | peterS: I'm not sure what "if (eof)" means in that context. |
| 20:00.26 | argle | miks: Sarge installs with no network-accessible services running by default, not even SSH, if I recall correctly. |
| 20:00.38 | jjm | tarzeau, results from packages.debian.org/ext2resize indicate that it is only in 'stable' |
| 20:00.39 | tarzeau | Skyblaze: bugs.debian.org/kmail |
| 20:00.39 | miks | SSH was open by default |
| 20:00.44 | tarzeau | miks: can't be |
| 20:00.44 | greycat | miks: is not. |
| 20:00.46 | jjm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.49 | Skyblaze | tarzeau, thankz |
| 20:00.52 | peterS | greycat: eof() is a perl function that returns what you think it does, for the default output handle |
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| 20:00.55 | tarzeau | jjm: so? |
| 20:00.56 | miks | I could putty in right after install |
| 20:01.08 | tarzeau | miks: but then someone fiddled with it |
| 20:01.11 | jjm | tarzeau, does that correspond to 'woody' and 'sid'? |
| 20:01.14 | tarzeau | miks: stock installs don't run sshd |
| 20:01.21 | mc_ | i want to instal software by apt-get , but it depends on other. How to install all at once |
| 20:01.22 | tarzeau | jjm: stable is woody. sid is unstable |
| 20:01.26 | peterS | well, default input handle I mean |
| 20:01.31 | tarzeau | mc_: apt-get install software |
| 20:01.33 | miks | I installed with Web Server, SQL Server and Desktop Environments |
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| 20:01.41 | coachz | is R4 like the 4th version of woody? |
| 20:01.43 | miks | maybe that did it? |
| 20:01.45 | Azar | jjm, there are: woody(stable), sarge(testing) and sid(unstable) |
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| 20:01.47 | mc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.54 | nvz | I am not ready to print yet.. I started programming the script from scratch to make the code cleaner and implement a few new features.. it looks really good, but it does nothing at the moment |
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| 20:02.05 | Azar | jjm woody is 3.0r4, and sarge must be 3.1 |
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| 20:02.15 | greycat | sarge will be 3.1 officially when it's released |
| 20:02.16 | nvz | I am at a loss for what to do next |
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| 20:02.19 | xam | Avantopia: well, then use 'iwconfig' to set your WAP key and SSID etc ... if it works, make sure you have installed the 'wireless-tools' package and edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:02.20 | miks | VSFTPD is already running, I just want to stop it and restart it. |
| 20:02.29 | greycat | right now sarge calls itself 3.1, which is almost the same thing |
| 20:02.32 | tarzeau | miks: look at /etc/init.d/ |
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| 20:02.40 | mc_ | tarzeau all at once |
| 20:02.45 | coachz | greycat, will that be weeks or months away? i hate to burn 7 cds and have a release happen |
| 20:02.50 | tarzeau | mc_: apt-get install all at once and dont msg me |
| 20:02.53 | newbie_ | my communication between WinXP box and Debian box just got REEALLY slow.. any way to trouble shoot? |
| 20:03.01 | greycat | coachz: we don't know |
| 20:03.06 | greycat | coachz: /topic |
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| 20:03.11 | Azar | if I am not mistaken, greycat, one can get to the sarge level by changing the sources in apt-get from "stable" to "testing" |
| 20:03.22 | greycat | Azar: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:03.29 | Avantopia | xam, wireless-tools is already the newest version. |
| 20:03.33 | Azar | greycat, thanks :) |
| 20:03.36 | xam | Avantopia: after you have installed the wireless-tools package, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 20:03.41 | coachz | greycat, would you guess more than 2 months ? |
| 20:03.41 | miks | ah excellent, killing the pid and restarting fixed it. |
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| 20:03.49 | tarzeau | it's hard to resist from saying "tomorrow! tomorrow!" |
| 20:03.51 | abrotman | coachz: really .. we have no idea |
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| 20:04.00 | greycat | coachz: you don't want to know what our original guesses were. |
| 20:04.09 | Avantopia | xam, k |
| 20:04.16 | abrotman | mine was this past october :) |
| 20:04.17 | coachz | i'm just tyring to justify buring 7 cds |
| 20:04.17 | Azar | great |
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| 20:04.29 | tarzeau | coachz: read the topic |
| 20:04.36 | greycat | ~+sarge pool |
| 20:04.37 | apt | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-04-08 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, ... |
| 20:04.37 | blight | Hi all, erm, I want to move my Debian installation to another machine but I don't want to loose all the .debs I've downloaded, are they all stored in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 20:04.37 | tarzeau | coachz: do you not have internet where you go? |
| 20:04.45 | coachz | tarzeau, exactly |
| 20:04.46 | greycat | see those guesses with 2003 in them/ |
| 20:04.50 | tarzeau | coachz: where is that? |
| 20:04.51 | abrotman | !seen DelEat |
| 20:04.51 | dpkg | deleat <~aps@cerebellum.egmont-kol.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 74d 11h 2m 19s ago, saying: 'nevermind, I got it'. |
| 20:04.58 | coachz | south carolina |
| 20:05.15 | graytron_ | graytron=2004-06-01 |
| 20:05.15 | abrotman | coachz: not much down there :) |
| 20:05.17 | sean_micken|work | can anyone think of something mis-configured in a 2.6 kernel that would cause random shutdowns? |
| 20:05.21 | simonrvn | @comfort apt the confused bot |
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| 20:05.23 | tarzeau | coachz: america? |
| 20:05.23 | Azar | I would say sarge will be here by no later than august 2005 |
| 20:05.24 | ravenbird | There, there, apt the confused bot. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:05.25 | newbie_ | my communication between WinXP box and Debian box just got REEALLY slow.. any way to trouble shoot? |
| 20:05.28 | coachz | usa |
| 20:05.28 | tarzeau | coachz: they sure have AOL |
| 20:05.37 | greycat | newbie_: get off the cable. |
| 20:05.39 | coachz | haha AOL that's funny |
| 20:05.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: Southeast US |
| 20:05.47 | simonrvn | newbie_: tcpdump, ethereal |
| 20:06.05 | newbie_ | simonrvn: what's that mean? |
| 20:06.06 | saloxin | newbie_: iptraf |
| 20:06.10 | Azar | newbie the ammount of spam and spyware on your XP will prevent the box communicating with your Linux box |
| 20:06.14 | xam | sean_micken|work: perhaps you have configured watchdog (and it isn't working correctly or your machine often has high load)? |
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| 20:06.16 | newbie_ | hehe.. i'm not standing on the cable. |
| 20:06.18 | newbie_ | heheh |
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| 20:06.28 | simonrvn | Azar: true true |
| 20:06.43 | newbie_ | azar, seems clean to me. |
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| 20:06.51 | Azar | simonrvn, not to mention "the other guys" using his XP box as a zombie |
| 20:06.51 | sean_micken|work | xam, "Watchdog Timer Support" ? |
| 20:07.00 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 20:07.03 | xam | sean_micken|work: yes |
| 20:07.03 | nvz | here's what my currently useless script looks like http://www.pastebin.com/264406 .. heh it looks cool, but unlike the one before it, it does nothing |
| 20:07.08 | Azar | newbie_, it SEEMS, that is the exact term |
| 20:07.10 | sean_micken|work | xam, that's off. |
| 20:07.26 | newbie_ | lol |
| 20:07.30 | tarzeau | nvz: heh cool you're using links2 |
| 20:07.37 | newbie_ | what's TCPDUMP do? |
| 20:07.38 | tarzeau | nvz: links -dump is so much better (if you ask me) |
| 20:07.40 | xam | sean_micken|work: okay ... mhh, don't know, perhaps a driver bug somewhere? |
| 20:07.50 | tarzeau | newbie_: similar things like NGREP |
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| 20:07.59 | sean_micken|work | xam, maybe... how would i go about diagnosing this? |
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| 20:08.05 | tarzeau | newbie_: type "man man" |
| 20:08.19 | psycose | hi |
| 20:08.31 | nvz | tarzeau: well thats why its a variable :P so it can be changed |
| 20:08.32 | simonrvn | and it isn't TCPDUMP, it's tcpdump |
| 20:08.46 | psycose | i forget the tool to let me know what library my binary is trying to use any tips ? thanks .. |
| 20:08.47 | newbie_ | oh. |
| 20:08.54 | peterS | psycose: ldd |
| 20:08.58 | newbie_ | i get an error "getifaddrs: connection refused" |
| 20:09.06 | peterS | psycose: or, readelf -d binary | grep NEEDED |
| 20:09.06 | psycose | thanks peterS |
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| 20:09.16 | psycose | oki |
| 20:09.18 | simonrvn | run as root. e.g.d with sudo |
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| 20:09.31 | simonrvn | s/.d/./ |
| 20:09.43 | simonrvn | s/\.d/\./ even |
| 20:09.46 | danilom | a simple question: is possible to print in a dot matrix in linux.? |
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| 20:09.55 | peterS | psycose: there's actually a difference. readelf -d shows direct library dependencies, ldd shows them recursively (so if library A uses library B, ldd will show both) |
| 20:09.58 | tarzeau | danilom: yes |
| 20:09.59 | nvz | tarzeau: the first script just looked up on infospace, and if there was a Jonh Smith in foo, and a John Smith in bar, phone numbers for both would show up for each person. because it only looked up based on Firstname, lasname, and zipcode, and did not compare the address or middle initial or jr/sr code. |
| 20:10.05 | xam | sean_micken|work: good question. try to build a minimal kernel with the rest as modules, ie. only the stuff that is really neccessary for booting the machine is compiled in statically, the rest as modules (eg. parallel/serial, agp, rtc, network card etc.) ... |
| 20:10.14 | nvz | tarzeau: plus infospace doesnt seem to return as many numbers as the others |
| 20:10.16 | newbie_ | sudo? |
| 20:10.19 | brss | can anyone tell me, that why can't i put the knoppix3.7 on my hdd? |
| 20:10.21 | sean_micken|work | xam, that's the way it is now, heh. ;p |
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| 20:10.31 | nvz | tarzeau: this script is cleaner, and I will attempt to address these issues |
| 20:10.31 | directhex | brss, we can't. maybe #knoppix can |
| 20:10.37 | tarzeau | brss: who cares? |
| 20:10.39 | psycose | PeterS thanks i was getting lost with strace ;-) |
| 20:10.41 | arbius | hello all... Can anyone recommend an IDE for C ...preferable ncurses |
| 20:10.45 | xam | sean_micken|work: there is nothing in /var/log/syslog? |
| 20:10.49 | thorie | is there a way to run a process for a certain amount of time (say 15 minutes)? i want to run tcpdump and get a log for about 15 minutes of data |
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| 20:11.05 | simonrvn | newbie_: just su -, then run tcpdump -vv -n -p. it'll default to whatever i the main interface is on the machine |
| 20:11.14 | tarzeau | thorie: tcpdump and in another screen sleep 15m; pkill -9 tcpdump |
| 20:11.29 | xam | simonrvn: lo? |
| 20:11.32 | tarzeau | thorie: you really want screen |
| 20:11.33 | brss | it sais in the baginning, that the hda5 is not mountable.. |
| 20:11.37 | simonrvn | @lart tarzeau for using kill -9 |
| 20:11.43 | nvz | I think I write some pretty clean code, when I actually do it.. I just need to spend more time coding |
| 20:11.52 | thorie | tarzeau: i use screen everyday, i don't see how having multiple windows would help me |
| 20:11.53 | simonrvn | xam: no |
| 20:11.56 | tarzeau | simonrvn: that will surely get rid of it ;) |
| 20:12.01 | xam | simonrvn: just kidding ;) |
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| 20:12.04 | peterS | thorie: tcpdump ... & sleep 15m ; kill % |
| 20:12.09 | simonrvn | and possibly leave a zombie proc |
| 20:12.12 | kaplanfx_ | O |
| 20:12.33 | newbie_ | i entered SU, ran the tcpdump command, still getting same error. |
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| 20:12.57 | kaplanfx_ | Can anyone recommend a console nntp reader that automatically handles multi-part binaries? |
| 20:13.00 | misfitx7 | how do i rebuild my kernel to inclube linux-wlan-ng modules? |
| 20:13.09 | tarzeau | kaplanfx_: not sure, but slrn? aub is for only binaries |
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| 20:13.37 | kaplanfx_ | tarzeau: I was just at the slrn page, they didn't say anything about handling binaries |
| 20:14.13 | kaplanfx_ | hmm |
| 20:14.14 | npx | I'm about to lose my mind. If you think computers are a pain in the ass to work with, try a 4wd car with a transverse mount motor. |
| 20:14.39 | paulswm | Computers are easy |
| 20:14.42 | peterS | npx: yeah, I'd totally rather work on computers than cars |
| 20:15.03 | directhex | computers are comfortable in the ass to work with, since you sit on your ass 8 hours a day in computing jobs |
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| 20:15.09 | Azar | paulswm: women in the other hand... |
| 20:15.20 | paulswm | !beer directhex |
| 20:15.27 | npx | Yeah, beer sounds like a plan. |
| 20:15.28 | xam | !beer xam |
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| 20:15.35 | paulswm | except it's more like 12 than 8 |
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| 20:15.49 | directhex | i already have beer |
| 20:15.54 | anhi | is there any software that can set a CD/DVD devices reading speed? like e.g. slowing it down to 8x for movies so it's not that loud? |
| 20:16.05 | tarzeau | anhi: plextor has such tools |
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| 20:16.18 | tarzeau | anhi: if you have a real cd rom drive (like plextor) you can do it |
| 20:16.20 | gurrag | has anybody installed sarge netinstall with a isa ne2000 network card? when I try to pass params to modprobe "irq=10 io=0x300" it immediately fails. woody found my card! |
| 20:16.20 | xam | argll, wanted a Guinness |
| 20:16.29 | simonrvn | @beer xam |
| 20:16.38 | simonrvn | just as good ;) |
| 20:16.43 | arbius | hello all... Can anyone recommend an IDE for C |
| 20:16.46 | npx | ahh natural ice |
| 20:16.47 | anhi | tarzeau: i've seen that plextor tool, but there are tools for windows (e.g. CD-Bremse) that could slow down nearly every of my devices |
| 20:17.01 | saloxin | anhi: setcd |
| 20:17.02 | npx | it may taste like urine, but after 3 of them, it just doesn't matter. |
| 20:17.02 | TheJumbo | stouted: it does not work :-( in fact, I have found some kernel bugreports describing what seems to be my problem... even though they are mostly for 2.6.8 and I am running 2.6.11. |
| 20:17.05 | tarzeau | anhi: oh no idea then. ask the authors of cd-bremse? |
| 20:17.05 | peterS | arbius: I just use xemacs, but that has a certain learning curve |
| 20:17.19 | xam | npx, simorvn ;) |
| 20:17.29 | Azar | TheJumbo has hit the sky |
| 20:17.40 | tarzeau | arbius: you want to develop what? graphical software? |
| 20:17.52 | tarzeau | s/software/applications/ |
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| 20:18.04 | arbius | peterS: I am hoping to use something like the old Turbo |
| 20:18.05 | anhi | saloxin: thanks, that did the trick :D |
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| 20:18.13 | saloxin | anhi: cool :-) |
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| 20:18.18 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 20:18.19 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 20:18.32 | xam | tarzeau: I somehow doubt that, he asked for a curses-based IDE before |
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| 20:18.54 | hermanoglobo | Hi all, i have a little problem with debian and php-gd in general, i have an application that use true type font but it is not well displayed (back to default font) on apache. Does anyone know how to display true type font under php in DEbian ? |
| 20:19.00 | tarzeau | xam: ah i dind't see that |
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| 20:19.44 | tarzeau | hermanoglobo: no |
| 20:19.57 | hermanoglobo | thanks tarzeau |
| 20:20.08 | npx | that was pretty informative =D |
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| 20:20.51 | arbius | tarzeau: no GUI stuff ... |
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| 20:21.48 | meursault | i have an old ibm pc, and i have some problems to get linux running on it. all live cds or installers can load syslinux or whatever they use but then they cannot acces the disc. the drive is a Pioneer 32x drive, IDE. Any idea how i could fix this? |
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| 20:22.08 | greycat | !wikifaq meursault UseCdBurner |
| 20:22.09 | dpkg | meursault: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseCdBurner or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:22.23 | tarzeau | meursault: pentium? older? newer? |
| 20:22.35 | tarzeau | meursault: maybe the cd-rom drive is not working anymore properly? |
| 20:22.36 | meursault | pentium mmx 200mhz with 64 mb ram |
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| 20:23.05 | Avantopia | xam, I check the documentation you told me to. I made changes to /etc/network/interfaces... nothing works... I have to manually run ... dhclient eth0 just to get connected now. |
| 20:23.09 | Avantopia | same as before. |
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| 20:23.20 | greycat | meursault: is it directly connected to the mainboard's IDE controllers, or is it on a PCI card, or something even worse like a soundcard? |
| 20:23.34 | Avantopia | I don't understand why eth0 isn't connected at boot... ? |
| 20:23.51 | simonrvn | auto eth0 |
| 20:23.51 | greycat | Avantopia: grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:24.14 | meursault | greycat, as far as i know its connected to an ide controller |
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| 20:24.17 | xam | greycat: it is eth2 for him (prism2 cardbus)) |
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| 20:24.22 | greycat | meursault: don't guess. |
| 20:24.25 | Avantopia | I have checked the GNOME network tools program and it states that it should be enabled at boot. |
| 20:24.35 | greycat | xam: it says eth0 in the question. |
| 20:24.37 | Avantopia | greycat, iface eth0 inet dhcp auto eth0 |
| 20:24.46 | greycat | Avantopia: that needs to be TWO lines. |
| 20:24.48 | greycat | auto eth0 is a separate line |
| 20:24.59 | Avantopia | greycat, it is |
| 20:25.05 | greycat | !smite Avantopia |
| 20:25.06 | Avantopia | I just had to paste |
| 20:25.08 | xam | greycat: oops, sorry, you are right ... but that doesn't make any sense |
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| 20:25.15 | meursault | greycat, all other drives are also connected there. i could boot linux when i installed it on the hd and then put it back into the machine |
| 20:25.36 | Avantopia | greycat, why won't eth0 be connected at boot? |
| 20:25.40 | xam | Avantopia: shouldn't it be eth2 (you said your wireless is eth2)? |
| 20:25.45 | greycat | Avantopia: /msg dpkg bootlogd (find out!) |
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| 20:26.02 | Avantopia | xam, if I could get eth0 working at boot that would be progress... eth2 is the goal |
| 20:26.51 | valdyn | Avantopia: you are having more than 1 ethX in networking, cangt h |
| 20:27.12 | valdyn | Avantopia: cant have 2 with conflicting routes on auto |
| 20:27.35 | Avantopia | valdyn, k |
| 20:27.43 | xam | Avantopia: arglll. You should have told us that, it is rather confusing if we try to get wireless working, and suddenly you switch the topic to wired without telling us :-/ |
| 20:27.46 | Avantopia | valdyn, I would like to use eth2 only then. |
| 20:28.03 | glitch- | is there a DNS address anyone can use? |
| 20:28.20 | Lokiseto | hi |
| 20:28.30 | simonrvn | glitch-: clarify |
| 20:28.36 | Avantopia | xam, I can't connect to talk to you about this UNLESS I connect with this computer using eth0 |
| 20:28.37 | valdyn | Avantopia: pick one ethX only to be auto, put it down manually with "ifdown ethX" and up with "ifup ethX" |
| 20:29.00 | nvz | if I didnt have to work at 640x480 on a fucking 14" monitor I could have had this script fully functional weeks ago.. but my short term memory doesnt help me much, when I need to be looking at dump files and scripting code to parse them.. |
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| 20:29.11 | nvz | and the screen size doesnt allow me to look at both at the same time |
| 20:29.14 | tarzeau | localhost will probably work for most |
| 20:29.19 | Avantopia | valdyn, k |
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| 20:29.45 | ndee | how come a cronjob does work in the system-wide crontab but no in the root-crontab? |
| 20:29.51 | xam | Avantopia: I understand now, but this would have been useful info before ;) |
| 20:30.10 | simonrvn | ndee: root's crontab has an error in it? |
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| 20:30.19 | s0undt3ch | hello ppl |
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| 20:30.26 | ndee | simonrvn: but it's 1:1 the same content |
| 20:30.28 | Avantopia | xam, k |
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| 20:30.46 | s0undt3ch | I'm trying to get the install cds for deb |
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| 20:30.53 | nvz | s0undt3ch: welcome! are you classified as human? |
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| 20:30.56 | nvz | heh |
| 20:31.08 | s0undt3ch | my question... |
| 20:31.11 | simonrvn | /USR/SBIN/CRON[xxxx]: (root) CMD (foo bar) |
| 20:31.12 | s0undt3ch | nvz: yup |
| 20:31.24 | simonrvn | should say that |
| 20:31.38 | tarzeau | ndee: php ? |
| 20:31.46 | tarzeau | ndee: does php not refuse to run as root? |
| 20:31.58 | gurrag | why can't the sarge installer find my ne2000 isa network card when it works fine with redhat? |
| 20:32.02 | s0undt3ch | ... is, I live outside US, which should I download both .jigdo or just the non-us .jigdo? |
| 20:32.11 | Avantopia | xam, I have a WEP key that I need to use to connect to the wireless network here... I added that to the /etc/network/interfaces file ; wireless_key1 323283289d39320 |
| 20:32.15 | Avantopia | Is that right? |
| 20:32.35 | nvz | s0undt3ch: you should read up on what non-us means. it would make this obvious |
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| 20:32.41 | xam | Avantopia: if you just use one key, use wireless_key (without the 1) |
| 20:32.49 | Avantopia | xam, k |
| 20:33.03 | nano_ | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 20:33.04 | dambodog | does anyone know the LoadMaster 1500 from kemp by any chance? |
| 20:33.07 | nano_ | sorry |
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| 20:33.13 | s0undt3ch | I know what it means, but the non-us might content only the non us packages, or has all, plus the non-us? |
| 20:33.17 | phil | hi |
| 20:33.22 | tarzeau | hi phil |
| 20:33.27 | ndee | tarzeau: when I try it from the shell itself, it works without a problem. |
| 20:33.33 | Avantopia | xam, Are there profiles that I can have for different networks? usually when I connect to a wireless network I don't need a key... only this network here. |
| 20:33.37 | nvz | s0undt3ch: probably not the best link out there, but http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-non-US |
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| 20:33.46 | tarzeau | i'd like to scare people coming in saying hi, and 600 people also say hi to that person |
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| 20:34.01 | nvz | s0undt3ch: non-us doesnt contain all the packages, just the ones that are illegal in the US |
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| 20:34.18 | tarzeau | can i script irssi to do that? |
| 20:34.31 | Azar | nvz, isn't that backwards? |
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| 20:34.37 | s0undt3ch | k, thanks, so I have to download both right? Will that be an extra .iso? |
| 20:34.55 | phil | after (accidently) deleting some files of zope, i can't remove the package. any ideas how I can remove it anyway? here's the output: http://nopaste.php-q.net/124602 |
| 20:35.13 | xam | Avantopia: you can check with iwconfig whether it has set wireless_mode, wireless_nick, wireless_essid, wireless_rate, wireless_key etc. As for profiles, man interfaces ... there is an example in the first 50 lines or so |
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| 20:35.18 | nvz | s0undt3ch: only need non-us if you need certain cryptographic or other software banned in the us |
| 20:35.22 | Azar | nvz the way I read the apt-get primer it said that non-US are packages that will prevent US ones going out for security reasons |
| 20:35.23 | nvz | s0undt3ch: otherwise, no |
| 20:35.47 | Azar | nvz, I would not know, just asking.. |
| 20:35.47 | nvz | leave me alone :P I am trying to play video games here |
| 20:35.55 | thorie | whats the quickest way to add some text to the end of every line in some output? can i do it with grep? |
| 20:36.24 | Azar | nvz: video games on a sacred PC : blasphemy |
| 20:36.24 | peterS | phil: try apt-get install --reinstall zope2.7 |
| 20:36.24 | peterS | phil: if that succeeds, you should be able to remove it |
| 20:36.24 | nvz | Azar: I am playing GTA-SA on the PS2 |
| 20:36.27 | thorie | i just have a text file, but when i do a `cat file.txt` it has newlines but i'd rather have it "<br>" since this is going onto a webpage |
| 20:36.29 | s0undt3ch | yup, I need gnupg |
| 20:36.38 | Azar | nvz, :) oh the perfect setup then |
| 20:36.44 | directhex | nvz, hilary clinton will smite you for playing that murder simulator |
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| 20:37.36 | nvz | screw her |
| 20:37.40 | phil | peterS: doesn't work either: http://nopaste.php-q.net/124607 |
| 20:38.11 | nvz | would hilary clinton rather I hijack a real harrier jet and blow shit up? |
| 20:38.23 | directhex | nvz, of course, that's the american way |
| 20:38.39 | Azar | Hillary is ugly, stupid, and snub |
| 20:38.41 | peterS | phil: ok then. echo ':' > /var/lib/dpkg/info/zope2.7.prerm |
| 20:38.45 | peterS | phil: *then* try the reinstall |
| 20:38.54 | cureless | hillary doesn't use debian? |
| 20:39.11 | Azar | cureless, I bet she does not know where the Enter key is |
| 20:39.29 | tarzeau | xam: from .uk? |
| 20:39.34 | cureless | I was just trying to steer the conversation to debian somehow. |
| 20:39.37 | thorie | is the \n the newline character in sed? cat file.txt | sed -e 's/\n/<BR>/g' |
| 20:39.47 | xam | tarzeau: hell no |
| 20:39.50 | peterS | thorie: just use $ to mean end of line |
| 20:40.05 | thorie | SWEET thax |
| 20:40.08 | thorie | thanks |
| 20:40.21 | xam | tarzeau: Éire |
| 20:40.24 | Azar | tarzeay would you happen to know another nice text-based game besides nethack, that I could have? |
| 20:40.26 | peterS | thorie: well, I guess what you wanted was to *remove* the newlines. I'm not sure offhand how to do that in sed |
| 20:40.35 | s0undt3ch | Also, I'm new to jigdo. The mirror I'm downloading hasn't got a dir with the R4, will it be ok, or will it download old packages? |
| 20:41.01 | thorie | no what you gave me works great |
| 20:41.07 | thorie | just making my page HTML readable |
| 20:41.18 | nvz | note to GTA-SA players, when doing race mission, don't land your hydra in the way of the race course |
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| 20:41.36 | nvz | didnt realize it at the time |
| 20:41.44 | phil | peterS: :/ http://nopaste.php-q.net/124608 |
| 20:41.50 | tarzeau | nvz: have you played wipeout3? |
| 20:41.58 | glitch- | I'm trying to install Xorg from the ports, but it's failing. Can anyone help? Error msg: http://www.pastebin.com/264431 |
| 20:41.58 | nvz | tarzeau: nope |
| 20:42.06 | Nosf3ratu | Is there a way to tell what packages were updated during the last apt-get upgrade? |
| 20:42.21 | Azar | the way I know it, Debian does not use xorg yet |
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| 20:42.31 | peterS | phil: oh. well. echo '#!/bin/sh' > /var/lib/dpkg/info/zope2.7.prerm |
| 20:42.32 | Nosf3ratu | Another, perhaps more generic question, does apt have its own logging facilities? |
| 20:42.42 | simonrvn | no |
| 20:42.44 | poonj | hey guys, which media player in linux supports the wma format? |
| 20:42.52 | Azar | glitch- what could be wromg by using XFree86? |
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| 20:42.55 | Nosf3ratu | !tell poonj about mplayer |
| 20:43.08 | peterS | Nosf3ratu: aptitude does. use 'aptitude install' instead of 'apt-get install' |
| 20:43.17 | Nosf3ratu | Thanks peterS. |
| 20:43.29 | s0undt3ch | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.42 | xam | gotta go |
| 20:43.45 | Azar | huh? kernel for 2005.0? |
| 20:43.46 | glitch- | Azar:I want to use Xorg |
| 20:43.57 | s0undt3ch | --21:36:43-- http://debian.ua.pt/debian/pool/main/n/netkit-ntalk/talkd_0.17-5_i386.deb |
| 20:43.58 | s0undt3ch | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.00 | Azar | glitch-, Debian is not ready for xorg yet |
| 20:44.00 | s0undt3ch | Reusing connection to debian.ua.pt:80. |
| 20:44.02 | s0undt3ch | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 20:44.04 | s0undt3ch | Length: 16,440 [application/octet-stream] |
| 20:44.05 | s0undt3ch | 100%[========================================================>] 16,440 --.--K/s |
| 20:44.07 | s0undt3ch | 21:36:43 (110.66 KB/s) - `debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso.tmpdir/debian.ua.pt/debian/pool/main/n/netkit-ntalk/talkd_0.17-5_i386.deb' saved [16,440/16,440] |
| 20:44.09 | s0undt3ch | FINISHED --21:36:43-- |
| 20:44.12 | s0undt3ch | Downloaded: 9,203,717 bytes in 10 files |
| 20:44.12 | s0undt3ch | Found 10 of the 887 files required by the template |
| 20:44.13 | s0undt3ch | Copied input files to temporary file `debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso.tmp' - repeat command and supply more files to continue |
| 20:44.15 | s0undt3ch | --21:36:43-- http://debian.ua.pt/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-lib-0.4/libasound0.4_0.4.1e-10.2_i386.deb |
| 20:44.16 | Nosf3ratu | soulreaper, don't. |
| 20:44.17 | s0undt3ch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:44.19 | s0undt3ch | Resolving debian.ua.pt... 193.136.173.27 |
| 20:44.21 | s0undt3ch | Connecting to debian.ua.pt[193.136.173.27]:80... connected. |
| 20:44.22 | s0undt3ch | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 20:44.23 | s0undt3ch | Length: 20,190 [application/octet-stream] |
| 20:44.24 | Azar | STOP PASTING |
| 20:44.26 | s0undt3ch | 100%[========================================================>] 20,190 70.09K/s |
| 20:44.29 | s0undt3ch | 21:36:44 (69.96 KB/s) - `debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso.tmpdir/debian.ua.pt/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-lib-0.4/libasound0.4_0.4.1e-10.2_i386.deb' saved [20,190/20,190] |
| 20:44.29 | idnar | oh good grief |
| 20:44.30 | Nosf3ratu | s0undt3ch, stop it. |
| 20:44.31 | s0undt3ch | --21:36:44-- http://debian.ua.pt/debian/pool/main/a/adduser/adduser_3.47_all.deb |
| 20:44.32 | s0undt3ch | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.35 | s0undt3ch | Reusing connection to debian.ua.pt:80. |
| 20:44.36 | Nosf3ratu | oh boy |
| 20:44.37 | s0undt3ch | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 20:44.37 | peterS | !ops s0undt3ch paste out of control |
| 20:44.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: s0undt3ch paste out of control |
| 20:44.39 | s0undt3ch | Length: 71,794 [application/octet-stream] |
| 20:44.41 | s0undt3ch | 100%[========================================================>] 71,794 94.88K/s |
| 20:44.42 | Azar | STOP PASTING |
| 20:44.43 | s0undt3ch | 21:36:45 (94.57 KB/s) - `debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso.tmpdir/debian.ua.pt/debian/pool/main/a/adduser/adduser_3.47_all.deb' saved [71,794/71,794] |
| 20:44.46 | s0undt3ch | --21:36:45-- http://debian.ua.pt/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/lang/es/debian.txt |
| 20:44.48 | paulswm | @lart s0undt3ch |
| 20:44.48 | s0undt3ch | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.50 | jan_ | kick |
| 20:44.51 | s0undt3ch | Reusing connection to debian.ua.pt:80. |
| 20:44.52 | idnar | Azar: he probably can't now, even if he wanted to |
| 20:44.52 | Azar | get him out of here guys |
| 20:44.53 | peterS | Azar: he probably can't, his client is running on its own |
| 20:44.53 | s0undt3ch | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
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| 20:44.59 | s0undt3ch | 21:36:45 (860.93 KB/s) - `debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso.tmpdir/debian.ua.pt/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/lang/es/debian.txt' saved [1,221/1,221] |
| 20:45.02 | simonrvn | http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ |
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| 20:45.02 | s0undt3ch | --21:36:45-- http://debian.ua.pt/debian/pool/main/n/nfs-utils/nfs-kernel-server_1.0-2woody3_i386.deb |
| 20:45.03 | Azar | ouch |
| 20:45.04 | s0undt3ch | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.05 | simonrvn | um |
| 20:45.07 | s0undt3ch | Reusing connection to debian.ua.pt:80. |
| 20:45.08 | paulswm | s0undt3ch: STOP IT |
| 20:45.08 | drac | s0undt3ch: Close your IRC client! |
| 20:45.09 | s0undt3ch | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 20:45.10 | phil | peterS: yeah, this did the job. thank you very very much :) |
| 20:45.11 | s0undt3ch | Length: 66,702 [application/octet-stream] |
| 20:45.12 | Nosf3ratu | paulswm, he can't. |
| 20:45.13 | s0undt3ch | 100%[========================================================>] 66,702 101.31K/s |
| 20:45.14 | peterS | phil: cool |
| 20:45.21 | poonj | what was that |
| 20:45.25 | Nosf3ratu | yikes. |
| 20:45.28 | poonj | was he showing his wget output? |
| 20:45.32 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:45.36 | Azar | the guy was using something out of control, |
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| 20:45.42 | jan_ | proably an /exec -o wget :) |
| 20:45.47 | s0undt3ch | has it stopped? |
| 20:45.50 | jharrisonwk | my kmail encryption broke |
| 20:45.50 | peterS | s0undt3ch: yes |
| 20:45.52 | jharrisonwk | whats up with that |
| 20:45.55 | s0undt3ch | ufff |
| 20:45.57 | Nosf3ratu | s0undt3ch, about ten years too late. |
| 20:45.57 | nvz | doesnt look like wget, looks like jigdo |
| 20:45.57 | paulswm | Nosf3ratu: Ah |
| 20:45.58 | s0undt3ch | sorry ppl |
| 20:45.59 | jnotaro | hi all, I installed the php5 as cgi in my debian no probs... my problem is: I've installed using apt-get, the pear is disabled and I don't know how to enable it |
| 20:46.01 | miks | how can I check what DocumentRoot is set to? |
| 20:46.02 | xam | Azar,poonj: this guy was obviously using gentoo .... |
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| 20:46.08 | nvz | wget would only get one file unless ran in some sort of loop |
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| 20:46.13 | Azar | xam :) |
| 20:46.16 | jnotaro | second my scripts are not running as owner |
| 20:46.19 | Nosf3ratu | paulswm, once you paste a large amount like that, to you, it looks like it was all pasted at once. To us, it comes line by line. |
| 20:46.23 | poonj | xam, and he was in a debian channel |
| 20:46.23 | poonj | hah |
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| 20:46.33 | s0undt3ch | I'm downloading latest stable release, but I saw kernek 2.4??? |
| 20:46.36 | s0undt3ch | is this tru? |
| 20:46.37 | Nosf3ratu | paulswm, kind of like how light that we see now was at the sun a long time ago. :p |
| 20:46.44 | s0undt3ch | *true |
| 20:46.44 | jepel_tailweaver | I don't think so |
| 20:46.44 | jepel_tailweaver | wget outputs over and over |
| 20:46.44 | jepel_tailweaver | he would have flooded |
| 20:46.46 | xam | Azar: IIRc he asid someting about 'installing from ports doesn't work' and from '2005.0' (the latest gentoo release) |
| 20:46.47 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:46.51 | jnotaro | how could I first off all enable pear? |
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| 20:46.55 | peterS | s0undt3ch: yeah, your client throttles it so as not to be kicked for flooding. so it sends one line per second, or so |
| 20:46.59 | paulswm | Nosf3ratu: Yes, but if it was a paste, how come debhelper didn't kick him |
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| 20:47.08 | paulswm | forget it, peterS answered |
| 20:47.12 | Azar | xam, not to wonder, as a newbie I was first guided to basic linux upgrades and stuff by a gentoo fan, no wonder I had to reinstall and start over learning DEBIAN ways |
| 20:47.19 | peterS | s0undt3ch: of course, in this case, being kicked for flooding is exactly what you would have wanted. but in the general case, it is trying to be helpful (: |
| 20:47.32 | s0undt3ch | ??? |
| 20:47.35 | Azar | xam, oh I see :) |
| 20:47.52 | Nosf3ratu | s0undt3ch, 2.4 is the latest kernel in the stable release. If you want more recent packages, use testing. |
| 20:48.05 | s0undt3ch | Is it stable? |
| 20:48.08 | Nosf3ratu | Testing is on its way to becoming the new stable, and as it stands now, is quite stable in its own right. |
| 20:48.11 | s0undt3ch | I wan't it for a server |
| 20:48.18 | Nosf3ratu | Then you don't want 2.6. |
| 20:48.26 | s0undt3ch | ? |
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| 20:48.29 | simonrvn | "want" |
| 20:48.30 | s0undt3ch | why? |
| 20:48.31 | Nosf3ratu | Or install stable and make your own kernel. |
| 20:48.42 | anhi | just get yourself the source, a few patches and do your own kernel |
| 20:48.57 | Azar | s0undt3ch, the "stable" contains security updates, the "testing" does not, if you want a server you want it SECURE |
| 20:49.05 | anhi | (no, i'm not a gentoo user, but e.g. a kernel is something i need to compile myself) |
| 20:49.13 | s0undt3ch | yeah, I get it... |
| 20:49.26 | Nosf3ratu | What do you want 2.6 for anyway? |
| 20:49.40 | xam | Nosf3ratu: oh great, one number-in-da-nick freak telling some other - which has obviously no clue of linux - to compile a kernel ... |
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| 20:49.57 | anhi | well, on a desktop 2.6 is better, on a server i'd use 2.4 too |
| 20:49.59 | s0undt3ch | k, thanks, I guess I'll be having a lot to compile myself.... I also want apache2 |
| 20:50.02 | simonrvn | or be prepared to replicate the security team's efforts. which i don't think you're ready to do (never mind run an internet-facing server...) |
| 20:50.12 | nvz | oh well, I am going across the street. a friend of mine stopped over, he's bored :P |
| 20:50.23 | paulswm | !prize xam |
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| 20:50.41 | peterS | Azar: well, testing security updates are coming Real Soon Now. the infrastructure is basically in place |
| 20:50.46 | xam | paulsw: I'd prefer a beer actually ;) |
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| 20:51.20 | paulswm | !beer xam |
| 20:51.22 | nvz | its asctually nice and sunny today. |
| 20:51.27 | paulswm | xam: better? :D |
| 20:51.28 | peterS | paulswm: out of curiosity, what sound chip? 2.6 sound is in general just as good as 2.4 sound |
| 20:51.30 | nvz | I was beginnign to think all it did was rain up here |
| 20:51.34 | nnk | paulswm: really? strange.. what sound card? |
| 20:51.34 | xam | paulsw: thanks ;) |
| 20:51.40 | Azar | peterS: that is why I am not even bothering jumping over newer kernels, updates etc... I am happy with what I can do on barebones command line so far |
| 20:51.42 | s0undt3ch | paulswm: do you have onboard sound |
| 20:51.54 | Nosf3ratu | xam, excuse me? |
| 20:52.03 | xam | !weather eick |
| 20:52.06 | Nosf3ratu | my nick is a determinant of my intelligence or experience level? |
| 20:52.09 | dpkg | Cork Airport, Ireland; (EICK) 51-51N 008-29W 162M; last updated: 2005.03.29 2030 UTC; Dew Point: 44 F (7 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.91 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Relative Humidity: 93%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 46 F (8 C); Visibility: 1 mile(s); Weather: Mist; Wind: from the SSE (160 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) |
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| 20:52.18 | Azar | :) |
| 20:52.24 | xam | Nosf3ratu hahaha ;) |
| 20:52.27 | nvz | !weather PITL |
| 20:52.29 | dpkg | I can't find station code "PITL" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 20:52.32 | jnotaro | I removed kde with purge and so on... but know I am facing such error: falling back to frontend: Dialog - unable to initialize frontend: Kde - Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (... what is happening? |
| 20:52.34 | nvz | heh |
| 20:52.52 | peterS | nvz: maybe it's spelled PICKS |
| 20:53.07 | simonrvn | xam: ah, that's how that thing works |
| 20:53.20 | simonrvn | goes by the airport code.. |
| 20:53.20 | nvz | heh |
| 20:53.23 | s0undt3ch | paulswm: do you have onboard sound card, with 5.1? |
| 20:53.31 | nvz | !weather KPIT |
| 20:53.33 | dpkg | Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh International Airport, PA, United States; (KPIT) 40-30-14N 080-15-59W 357M; last updated: 2005.03.29 1951 UTC; Dew Point: 39.0 F (3.9 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.91 in. Hg (1012 hPa); Relative Humidity: 52%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 55.9 F (13.3 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the N (350 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT) |
| 20:53.34 | Nosf3ratu | jnotaro, kde depends on QT. Removing KDE also removes QT. You had debconf configured to use QT as its frontend. |
| 20:53.34 | paulswm | peterS: Its a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz which is Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] - I haven't figured out the problem except snd_ac97_codec is getting used by snd_pcm in 2.6, and it shouldn't |
| 20:53.40 | nvz | yeah but its called Pittsburgh Intl |
| 20:53.43 | Nosf3ratu | Thusly, it's bitching because it's gone. |
| 20:53.46 | nvz | I didnt know it was called kpit |
| 20:54.00 | paulswm | s0undt3ch: No, PCI sound card |
| 20:54.23 | jnotaro | Nosf3ratu, but now, I dont want kde anymore... I removed it, should I remove this qt too? |
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| 20:54.30 | s0undt3ch | k, I had a similiar prob, with my on-board card... |
| 20:54.35 | Nosf3ratu | jnotaro, after removing KDE, you can reinstall QT. |
| 20:54.41 | simonrvn | nvz: the airports here are all named Csomething. in the u.s. i'm not sure. |
| 20:54.41 | Nosf3ratu | KDE depends on QT, but not the other way around. |
| 20:54.48 | jnotaro | ahhh... |
| 20:54.49 | Cyanophytes | if I change my sources.list lines from testing to stable will it cause any problems? |
| 20:54.53 | jaybuffet | if i have "/ 192.168.0.100(rw,no_root_squash,sync,wdelay)" in my exports file, does that mean anyone on 192.168.0.100 can mount the fs |
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| 20:54.54 | jnotaro | ok |
| 20:54.58 | Nosf3ratu | jnotaro, or, of course, you can just use the Dialog front-end. |
| 20:55.03 | xam | simonrvn: go to http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml and look up a site that has a 4-character ICAO location id (ie. second word). The 5-digit WMO index doesn't seem to work |
| 20:55.08 | nnk | Cyanophytes: yes |
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| 20:55.13 | simonrvn | jaybuffet: i'd add a mask to that |
| 20:55.18 | Nosf3ratu | jnotaro, because if you use that one, you can administer the box remotely via ssh or similar and not be dependant on a GUI. |
| 20:55.25 | Nosf3ratu | jnotaro, but it's up to you, of course. |
| 20:55.27 | jnotaro | Nosf3ratu, look, I must re-install the qt right? |
| 20:55.49 | simonrvn | xam: yeh, most apps that i've seen use icao stuff use the 4 char one |
| 20:55.54 | Cyanophytes | nnk: so once my system is setup with testing it can't go back to stable? |
| 20:55.55 | Nosf3ratu | jnotaro, whichever package provides the Qt.pm, specifically...it's probably a qt*-dev package. |
| 20:55.59 | Azar | Nosf3ratu I have never installed/used kde, is that like openbox? |
| 20:56.07 | nnk | jnotaro: no , you must not, you may though |
| 20:56.08 | jnotaro | Nosf3ratu, actually I do not need kde, It was just to know how to install |
| 20:56.19 | Enolayale | I'm trying to get ssh to startup when I turn my comp on - I tried rcconf but it wasn't there so I put symlinks in one of the rc*.d files but it still isn't there |
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| 20:56.36 | jaybuffet | i still get "Permission denied" |
| 20:56.40 | nnk | Enolayale: use update-rc.d |
| 20:56.47 | xam | gotta go |
| 20:56.49 | Enolayale | where is that? |
| 20:56.51 | Nosf3ratu | Azar, no, nothing lik eit. |
| 20:56.53 | Azar | bye xam |
| 20:56.56 | Enolayale | nm |
| 20:56.57 | Nosf3ratu | jnotaro, I didn't say to reinstall kde. |
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| 20:57.02 | jnotaro | ah... man... which package I must install? |
| 20:57.06 | jnotaro | ok |
| 20:57.07 | Nosf3ratu | s/lik eit/like it |
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| 20:57.55 | nnk | jnotaro: dpk-reconfigure debconf should do the trick |
| 20:57.55 | Avantopia | I changed bootlogd to = Yes |
| 20:57.57 | nnk | i guess |
| 20:58.00 | fana | |
| 20:58.07 | peterS | fana? |
| 20:58.09 | Avantopia | I didn't get a bootlog.log in /var/log |
| 20:58.37 | Enolayale | nnk: the one in sysvinit is empty |
| 20:58.42 | Nosf3ratu | nnk, I don't know if that will grab dependant packages... |
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| 20:58.56 | Nosf3ratu | maybe --reinstall would, i' mnot sure |
| 20:59.01 | Enolayale | what it said didn't make much sense to me either- I'm new |
| 20:59.12 | nnk | Nosf3ratu: he neednt grab anything, just change debconfs configuration, to use dialog |
| 20:59.18 | jnotaro | nnk, it is asking me about kde or gnome |
| 20:59.28 | Nosf3ratu | nnk, I suggested that to him, he ignored it. :\ |
| 20:59.42 | jnotaro | Nosf3ratu, no no |
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| 20:59.51 | nnk | Enolayale: update-rc.d --help |
| 20:59.52 | jnotaro | Man I am just a newbie |
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| 20:59.56 | Avantopia | I just installed Sarge on my laptop and Totem media player is not working, it closes after opening. |
| 21:00.13 | Nosf3ratu | jnotaro, dpkg-reconfigure debconf. When it asks which frontend to use, choose 'Dialog' |
| 21:00.18 | Nosf3ratu | that's _it_ |
| 21:00.22 | jnotaro | I am not up to ignore anybody here :)) |
| 21:00.25 | Azar | maybe --purge and --remove could be used in tandem to get out of unwanted package |
| 21:00.58 | Enolayale | nnk: so if I add ssh there it will auto start? |
| 21:01.00 | nnk | Nosf3ratu: that is , if it _will_ ask, considering it is trying to use kde in the first place, to ask :) |
| 21:01.16 | nnk | Enolayale: yes, it should: s/ther/that way |
| 21:01.20 | Azar | jnotaro one thing I learned today is to pay attention to what I am downloading when I do apt-get update/upgrade, as packages dependencies are a bitch |
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| 21:01.23 | Nosf3ratu | nnk, it should. :) |
| 21:01.51 | nnk | Nosf3ratu: i know, it shoul fall back, but sometimes it will not work, afair.. |
| 21:02.10 | Nosf3ratu | nnk, when he does dpkg-reconfigure, all the options are available to him. |
| 21:02.21 | jnotaro | I will pay more attention next time... actually... I can not remember what I have done... I am using a old pc to learn |
| 21:02.25 | Nosf3ratu | Azar, upgrading and installing is the easy part. removing is the difficult part. |
| 21:02.57 | Guy_Montag | does anyone have experience with mounting NTFS sata disks? |
| 21:03.09 | Nosf3ratu | !anyone |
| 21:03.10 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 21:03.27 | Enolayale | nnk: what runlevel should it be at? |
| 21:03.29 | jnotaro | thats it |
| 21:03.32 | Guy_Montag | heh |
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| 21:03.52 | Roey | hi |
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| 21:04.03 | directhex | Guy_Montag, which kernel? |
| 21:04.17 | nnk | Enolayale: bleah, just update-rc.d ssh defaults |
| 21:04.17 | Guy_Montag | it's Ubuntu's 4.10 I believe |
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| 21:04.19 | nnk | i think |
| 21:04.24 | Enolayale | perfect |
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| 21:04.36 | Roey | are the CRAMFS patches for the kernel initrds available as separate packages, or do they only come as one giant file included with the Debian linux kernel ? |
| 21:04.36 | directhex | Guy_Montag, well i don't know what ubuntu 4.10 is capable of. ask #ubuntu |
| 21:04.47 | Guy_Montag | hmmm |
| 21:04.48 | Guy_Montag | ok |
| 21:04.52 | Enolayale | says they already exist :| |
| 21:04.52 | Guy_Montag | it's debian based |
| 21:04.57 | Guy_Montag | heh |
| 21:04.58 | Guy_Montag | yes |
| 21:05.01 | Guy_Montag | that they do |
| 21:05.05 | directhex | !debian based |
| 21:05.05 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 21:05.20 | Guy_Montag | yes |
| 21:05.28 | Guy_Montag | it's more of a general linux question |
| 21:05.40 | directhex | the general linux answer is "depends on the kernel" |
| 21:05.44 | Guy_Montag | mount and permissions seem to be the same on most distros |
| 21:05.50 | tarzeau | takatumi: still no play for you? |
| 21:05.58 | Nosf3ratu | jnotaro, did you get it figured out? |
| 21:06.00 | tarzeau | i'm stuck at the sea in world 5 :( |
| 21:06.24 | Guy_Montag | how mounting hard drives is handled differs from kernel to kernel? |
| 21:06.28 | directhex | tarzeau, feed a blue shell to yoshi, and you can fly over the whole level! |
| 21:06.36 | jnotaro | Nosf3ratu, yes... perfect, the errors are gone |
| 21:06.37 | Nosf3ratu | Guy_Montag, recognized file systems varies from kernel to kernel. |
| 21:06.41 | cureless | Guy_Montag: What is your question? |
| 21:06.42 | Nosf3ratu | jnotaro, cool ;) |
| 21:06.45 | jnotaro | thanx a lot |
| 21:06.47 | Nosf3ratu | np |
| 21:06.48 | tarzeau | directhex: that's not super mario. that's Popolon in Maze of Galious |
| 21:06.52 | directhex | Guy_Montag, as do recognised disk controllers, and where to find those disks |
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| 21:07.20 | tarzeau | directhex: wanna try? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mog/ |
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| 21:07.26 | nnk | Guy_Montag: the simple answer would be that it should "just work" |
| 21:07.28 | Guy_Montag | I'm trying to mount my windows XP sata drive in read only mode, but with the permissions set so that any user can read from it, not just root |
| 21:07.40 | directhex | umask=0222 |
| 21:07.44 | Guy_Montag | I might be making a mistake in setting the mount point |
| 21:07.59 | Guy_Montag | in fstab, I have it as |
| 21:08.31 | Guy_Montag | /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ro,umask=0222 0 0 |
| 21:08.47 | nnk | Guy_Montag: btw, the fact that it is sata has almost nothing to do with mounting it, if you can _think_ about mounting it, the controller/drive is allready supported and "seen" by the kernel, so you dont care about that anymore ;) |
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| 21:08.54 | Nosf3ratu | Guy_Montag, you left off the "user" part. |
| 21:09.06 | Guy_Montag | ok |
| 21:09.08 | Guy_Montag | user? |
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| 21:09.12 | Nosf3ratu | google? |
| 21:09.18 | Guy_Montag | :-) |
| 21:09.35 | Guy_Montag | google is like using a sledgehammer to work on a clock |
| 21:09.38 | Nosf3ratu | Guy_Montag, http://linux.about.com/od/linux101/l/blnewbie4_2_6.htm |
| 21:09.41 | Guy_Montag | slow and inefficient |
| 21:09.45 | Guy_Montag | om |
| 21:09.47 | Guy_Montag | er |
| 21:09.47 | Guy_Montag | ok |
| 21:09.50 | Nosf3ratu | Guy_Montag, that's the worst analogy i've ever heard. |
| 21:09.51 | Guy_Montag | appreciated |
| 21:09.53 | Guy_Montag | heh |
| 21:09.58 | Guy_Montag | it's the one that came to mind |
| 21:10.03 | Nosf3ratu | I googled it for you. |
| 21:10.06 | Nosf3ratu | It took ~5 seconds. |
| 21:10.10 | Nosf3ratu | How inneficient! |
| 21:10.21 | Guy_Montag | hyperbole, that's all |
| 21:10.31 | Guy_Montag | agh! |
| 21:10.33 | Guy_Montag | heh |
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| 21:10.34 | Guy_Montag | ok |
| 21:10.36 | Guy_Montag | thanks |
| 21:10.38 | Nosf3ratu | yw |
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| 21:10.44 | tarzeau | Guy_Montag: can you stop pressing enter so many times? |
| 21:10.54 | CharlesBrown | lol |
| 21:11.14 | jharrisonwk | anyone know why gnupg and kmail seem to have problems? |
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| 21:11.19 | CharlesBrown | !tell Guy_Montag enter |
| 21:11.25 | Nosf3ratu | jharrisonwk, define "problems". |
| 21:11.39 | Nasty_guy21 | k |
| 21:11.51 | jharrisonwk | Nosf3ratu: well I was happily using kmail and gnupg encrypting mails and such |
| 21:12.14 | jharrisonwk | Nosf3ratu: now kmail sends the mails but they are unencyrptable |
| 21:12.23 | jharrisonwk | its weird |
| 21:12.28 | jharrisonwk | I dont know how else to explain it |
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| 21:13.17 | Roey | hi |
| 21:13.55 | davehunn | ChanServ, seen stargo |
| 21:13.57 | Roey | does LILO have any problems booting AMD64 in Debian SID? I have problems with this in Ubuntu (so I was wondering if with Debian it was different, seeng as to how Debian is not Ubuntu) |
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| 21:14.00 | Nosf3ratu | jharrisonwk, perhaps ask #debian-kde |
| 21:14.09 | tarzeau | Roey: bugs.debian.org/lilo |
| 21:14.10 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, #debian-amd64 |
| 21:14.17 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: thanks! |
| 21:14.20 | Nosf3ratu | yw |
| 21:14.20 | Roey | tarzeau: ah, thank you |
| 21:14.29 | jharrisonwk | Nosf3ratu: done that |
| 21:14.33 | jharrisonwk | Nosf3ratu: im waiting |
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| 21:14.44 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, plus: I *hope* you're using the official debian-amd64 installer and not some hacked up mutt. :\ |
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| 21:15.08 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: I'm on Ubuntu and am very dissatisfied. |
| 21:15.08 | Nosf3ratu | jharrisonwk, sorry I don't use kmail. Is "use thunderbird" an acceptable solution? :) |
| 21:15.15 | Nosf3ratu | !debian-based |
| 21:15.15 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 21:15.22 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: I switched off of SID for the past two weeks |
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| 21:15.33 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: on SID I just used LILO and was happy |
| 21:15.34 | flawd | I'll recommend sylpheed |
| 21:15.39 | flawd | it works good for email for me |
| 21:15.43 | Nosf3ratu | So the short answer is "i'm using a hacked up bastard distribution." |
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| 21:15.45 | directhex | !SID |
| 21:15.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 21:16.21 | directhex | debian-amd64 uses GRUB by default, as is good & correct |
| 21:16.29 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, it's unfortunate, but amd64 is only available as sid, currently. This will change in the coming months. Either be patient, or run the machine as a regular 32bit OS. |
| 21:16.47 | tarzeau | debian gnu/hurd and debian gnu/kfreebsd also use GRUB |
| 21:16.53 | directhex | Nosf3ratu, actually, amd64 sarge is fine now |
| 21:17.09 | Nosf3ratu | directhex, thanks for the heads up. |
| 21:17.22 | tonZet | Hi, after installing firefox I realised that is does not directly display jpg images. Am I missing something with files handling, mime (Opera displays them correctly though, )...? |
| 21:17.28 | Nosf3ratu | tarzeau, and d-i (sarge) |
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| 21:17.54 | directhex | Nosf3ratu, works on my office pc. the documentation is a little outdated though unfortunately, with regard to correct mirror locations |
| 21:18.12 | Nosf3ratu | directhex, "the documentation" = alioth's wiki? |
| 21:18.16 | flawd | I use i386, and selfishly I wonder if Debian wouldn't be better off to just cut off support for some odder architectures and concentrate on the more common once so the releases can come with less time in between ;P |
| 21:18.19 | directhex | Nosf3ratu, yes |
| 21:18.31 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: well I am getting nervous about this thing being a motherboard-related issue (just like a previous issue was) |
| 21:18.31 | flawd | once=ones |
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| 21:18.41 | directhex | Nosf3ratu, deb $url/debian-amd64/debian-pure64/ sarge main contrib non-free |
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| 21:18.55 | Avantopia | anyone here having problems with Totem? |
| 21:18.56 | directhex | Nosf3ratu, as opposed to $url/debian-pure64 sid main contrib non-free |
| 21:18.56 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: I have the kernel error at home (it /was/ on rafb.net/paste but that of course is only temporary) |
| 21:18.57 | Nosf3ratu | directhex, I'm still not very sold on Wikis in general :\ I've noticed some errors in the core -amd64 docs recently as well. |
| 21:19.07 | Avantopia | I can't use it, it closes when I run it. |
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| 21:19.25 | Unskill3d | hi |
| 21:19.35 | Unskill3d | i tried to install adobe acrobat 7 through alien |
| 21:19.38 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: I'm also sorta skeptical that we'll see X.org and AMD64 supported in SID anytime this year, so.. |
| 21:19.43 | Unskill3d | but it seems that it doesnt work |
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| 21:19.46 | directhex | Unskill3d, that was stupid |
| 21:19.48 | Unskill3d | someone did it ? |
| 21:19.50 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: (the reason I want xorg is because it can properly support my tablet) |
| 21:19.51 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, "at home"? You're not there now? Why can't you log in and grab it? |
| 21:19.55 | Unskill3d | directhex: why ? |
| 21:19.58 | Nosf3ratu | Oh...a tablet. |
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| 21:20.04 | Nosf3ratu | Roey's a masochist. :) |
| 21:20.10 | directhex | Roey, odd, amd64 has been fine on sid for a long time, and even sarge has amd64 kernels and libs |
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| 21:20.18 | Hydroxide | Roey: based on some recent mails to debian-devel-announce, I'd say it's more likely than that |
| 21:20.18 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: didn't yet configure the firewall to allow me to log in from work ;) |
| 21:20.24 | Roey | Hydroxide: what |
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| 21:20.30 | Roey | Hydroxide: that it's a hardware bug? |
| 21:20.30 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, that's priority #1! :) |
| 21:20.39 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: what is? :) |
| 21:20.45 | Hydroxide | Roey: no, that amd64 and xorg will make it into sid this year |
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| 21:21.03 | Unskill3d | directhex: why ? |
| 21:21.10 | Unskill3d | directhex: u there ? |
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| 21:21.21 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, getting ssh working so you can fix the stuff anywhere. |
| 21:21.29 | Unskill3d | directhex: or just talkin bullshit? |
| 21:21.42 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: my LILO/amd64 error looks like this (only in my case, NUMA is not enabled): http://www.x86-64.org/lists/bugs/msg01272.html |
| 21:21.56 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: gotta open up the port on the firewall, that's all :) |
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| 21:22.43 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: oh... woudlja look at that... x86-64.org.. so maybe it IS an amd64 problem |
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| 21:22.55 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, or a kernel problem. |
| 21:23.04 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, try upgrading to 2.6.11.6? |
| 21:23.10 | Roey | I cna't |
| 21:23.15 | Nosf3ratu | ...why not? |
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| 21:23.22 | Roey | because LILO didn't let me with 2.6.11.5 |
| 21:23.30 | Roey | what would 2.6.11.6 do? |
| 21:23.37 | directhex | Unskill3d, number one, WHY do you feel the need to install adobe's properietary bloatware to view PDFs |
| 21:23.42 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: the thing uncompresses and /immediately/ panics. |
| 21:23.54 | directhex | two, alien RARELY works as intended, your best bet with it is to convert to tgz, and extract to a sandbox in /opt |
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| 21:23.59 | Tarragona_24 | Hello |
| 21:23.59 | Roey | directhex: heh, why is the world using pdfs in the first place |
| 21:24.01 | directhex | or get a .deb |
| 21:24.11 | Tarragona_24 | which is the default password for phpldapadmin? |
| 21:24.27 | Nosf3ratu | "admin" |
| 21:24.28 | simonrvn | there isn't any |
| 21:24.43 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, so it panics after the machine has been up? |
| 21:24.46 | paulswm | directhex: actually, to view some PDFs you have to install acrobat |
| 21:24.53 | directhex | Roey, why are you not using grub? |
| 21:24.53 | Tarragona_24 | Error |
| 21:24.53 | Tarragona_24 | Bad username or password. Please try again. |
| 21:24.54 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, I was under the impression a certain kernel panic'd on boot... |
| 21:25.09 | Nosf3ratu | I don't get what any of this has to do with lilo, Roey. |
| 21:25.12 | directhex | paulswm, ones with DRM? |
| 21:25.16 | simonrvn | Tarragona_24: whatever user you're binding to the server as |
| 21:25.23 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: you're right |
| 21:25.25 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: it doesn't |
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| 21:25.33 | dexter__ | is 3.0 or 3.1 the latest version? |
| 21:25.43 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: but the thing is this: |
| 21:25.45 | directhex | dexter__, 3.0 is the last stable release, from mid 2002 |
| 21:25.54 | paulswm | directhex: Not sure, I remember a couple a few months ago that I had to use acrobat to view, was non e to happy about it |
| 21:25.57 | directhex | dexter__, most people run 3.1 on desktops, though it's not been released yet |
| 21:26.02 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: that SAME kernel (2.6.10) worked OK on grub. |
| 21:26.02 | dexter__ | 2002? Holy dirt :P |
| 21:26.13 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, so use grub? |
| 21:26.16 | dexter__ | (People don't like when i say "shit", so i use dirt instead .p) |
| 21:26.22 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: because I can't get it to work with LILO |
| 21:26.29 | Nosf3ratu | You have succeeded in confusing the living shit out of me. |
| 21:26.38 | directhex | lilo is trash. use grub |
| 21:26.39 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, so use a rescue/boot disk and replace lilo with grub. |
| 21:26.41 | dexter__ | directhex: Did someone steal the sourcecode or what? :P |
| 21:26.45 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: I don't want to use GRUB because I don't like this initrd stuff (and of course having to patch the kernel with Debian-specific cramfs) |
| 21:26.54 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 21:26.55 | Nosf3ratu | lilo has its place. like on a 486. or in the trash. |
| 21:26.57 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: booted kanotix64 and installed grub. |
| 21:27.00 | directhex | dexter__, 11 architectures, 20,000 packages. |
| 21:27.09 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: you really prefer GRUB eh? :) |
| 21:27.14 | Unskill3d | directhex: that are all no reasons to be not kind. but know i know better thx |
| 21:27.25 | Unskill3d | not to be |
| 21:27.29 | Nosf3ratu | I don't think using grub means you *must* use an initrd, but I could be completely wrong. |
| 21:27.37 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, not necessarily...but it's so much easier/nicer. |
| 21:27.38 | simonrvn | no, it doesn't |
| 21:27.41 | Phated | You don't. |
| 21:27.43 | directhex | Nosf3ratu, it means nothing of the sort |
| 21:27.50 | Nosf3ratu | Ok, so I'm not nuts. |
| 21:27.52 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, just grub. |
| 21:27.56 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: I tried the kernel without an initrd and was greeted with other errors. er... that could be because I didn't include my via_sata driver in there.... |
| 21:28.05 | directhex | yes, it could |
| 21:28.08 | directhex | ¬_¬ |
| 21:28.14 | Roey | directhex: I'll try a different kernel. |
| 21:28.15 | dexter__ | Nosf3ratu: How come? I mean. I mostly use lilo, and it works. |
| 21:28.22 | simonrvn | .... |
| 21:28.23 | directhex | try using a debian kernel-image |
| 21:28.30 | Roey | directhex: I see no reason for initrd on my system, /even if/ I load from /boot on raid1. |
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| 21:28.35 | Roey | (s/w raid1) |
| 21:28.40 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, boot to an old kernel, fix the problem, get on with your life. |
| 21:28.45 | simonrvn | people unclear on the concept of an initrd, and needing to include it if the kernel is built with one in mind... |
| 21:28.49 | jaybuffet | anyone want to help a newb and his NFS |
| 21:28.53 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: anyway, thanks |
| 21:28.58 | Nosf3ratu | !tell jaybuffet about ask |
| 21:28.58 | Roey | directhex: thanks to you, too |
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| 21:29.15 | Nosf3ratu | Roey, you're welcome...I guess. :) Good luck. |
| 21:29.24 | jaybuffet | i have asked.. but know one responds/.. so i ask a different way |
| 21:29.31 | jaybuffet | and i actually got a response this way |
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| 21:30.08 | Nosf3ratu | 15:55:45 <simonrvn> jaybuffet: i'd add a mask to that |
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| 21:30.16 | Nosf3ratu | Actually, you _did_ get an answer, you just chose to ignore it. |
| 21:30.16 | jaybuffet | i did |
| 21:30.23 | jaybuffet | and i responded |
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| 21:31.08 | simonrvn | i didn't see it |
| 21:31.12 | Nosf3ratu | Did you restart nfs after that? |
| 21:31.25 | Nosf3ratu | simonrvn, I think "I still get permission denied" was his answer. |
| 21:31.26 | jaybuffet | can't i just "exportfs -ra" |
| 21:32.25 | EvanCarroll | Is there a linux application that can accomplish what MS Visio does? |
| 21:32.34 | Nosf3ratu | EvanCarroll, kivio. |
| 21:32.37 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: dia |
| 21:32.39 | Nosf3ratu | Or something like that. |
| 21:32.53 | abrotman | though .. visio can do a lot |
| 21:33.02 | simonrvn | jaybuffet: what's your line again? |
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| 21:33.17 | jaybuffet | "/ 192.168.0.101/32(rw,no_root_squash,sync,wdelay)" |
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| 21:33.27 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: Nosf3ratu know the pkg names? |
| 21:33.37 | Nosf3ratu | EvanCarroll, apt-cache search packagename |
| 21:33.38 | EvanCarroll | ah dia works |
| 21:33.49 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: dia :) |
| 21:33.50 | EvanCarroll | I tried that with kivio lots of output and greping didn't narrow it down |
| 21:34.02 | jaybuffet | i think i forgot to run "exportfs" after adding the subnet, because now i get "mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
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| 21:34.43 | simonrvn | jaybuffet: that won't work. you need the "spelled-out" version, like /255.255.255.0 or such |
| 21:34.50 | Nosf3ratu | jaybuffet, and what does the server's log files say? |
| 21:34.59 | memic | anybody knows why ssh portforwarding gives me "channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused" |
| 21:35.08 | stouset | What's the easiest way to see which process is using a certain module? |
| 21:35.15 | Nosf3ratu | stouset, lsof |
| 21:35.17 | stouset | Trying to find out what's forcing the ipv6 module to load at boot. |
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| 21:35.38 | simonrvn | /etc/modules maybe... |
| 21:35.44 | jaybuffet | "localhost portmap[6279]: connect from 192.168.0.101 to getport(mountd): request from unauthorized host" |
| 21:35.46 | simonrvn | or hotplug, or discover... |
| 21:35.50 | stouset | Nosf3ratu: Not seeing anything in the manpage about it. |
| 21:35.54 | memic | anybody knows why ssh portforwarding gives me "channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused" |
| 21:35.56 | cureless | stouset: you can't unload the ipv6 module once loaded |
| 21:35.59 | Nosf3ratu | sorry...not lsof. |
| 21:36.04 | Nosf3ratu | misread your question. |
| 21:36.09 | simonrvn | and yes, what cureless said |
| 21:36.17 | stouset | cureless: Trying to find out what loads it on startup, though. |
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| 21:36.46 | cureless | stouset: I know, I read you, I was just stating another fact. Do a netstat and see what has ipv6 addresses open |
| 21:37.03 | Nosf3ratu | stouset, /etc/modules will tell you (probably). |
| 21:37.06 | dambodog | does anyone know of a good methoed of writing to two servers at the same time without using LVS? |
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| 21:37.44 | memic | dambodog should both be able to write/read? |
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| 21:38.15 | dambodog | memic, sure |
| 21:38.16 | stouset | Nosf3ratu: Why would /etc/modules tell me? That's just where modules are loaded statically at boot. |
| 21:38.31 | cureless | stouset: netstat -6 -apne |
| 21:38.37 | directhex | !blacklist |
| 21:38.38 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 21:38.58 | greycat | oh, someone cleaned that one up a bit... |
| 21:39.17 | stouset | Hm, SSH. |
| 21:39.32 | directhex | yes, that is rather spic & span |
| 21:39.37 | directhex | !factinfo blacklist |
| 21:39.37 | dpkg | blacklist -- last modified at Sun Mar 20 08:51:54 2005 by cheal!chealer@chealer.student.supporter.pdpc; it has been requested 12 times, last by directhex, 59s ago. |
| 21:39.38 | dambodog | memic, how would you do it otherwise? |
| 21:39.55 | cheal | ohoh, did I do something wrong? |
| 21:39.57 | memic | sek dambodog |
| 21:39.58 | directhex | cheal, good job |
| 21:40.04 | greycat | cheal: nope. looks fine. |
| 21:40.08 | dambodog | memic, ok |
| 21:40.13 | cheal | hehe, I just merged two factoids about blacklist. thanks |
| 21:40.34 | memic | dambodog i thought @ http://www.drbd.org/ but its not what u want |
| 21:40.35 | directhex | !dachs cheal |
| 21:40.35 | dpkg | cheal: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 21:40.40 | stouset | Hrm...okay, now, does anyone know how to stop SSH from listening on ipv6? |
| 21:40.48 | stouset | Also doesn't seem to be in the manpage. |
| 21:40.50 | stouset | Or in the configuration. |
| 21:41.04 | cheal | !freedict chealer |
| 21:41.07 | peterS | stouset: man sshd_config, look for ListenAddress |
| 21:41.09 | greycat | stouset: ListenAddress in sshd_config |
| 21:41.16 | cureless | stouset: did you assign an ipv6 address to the interface? |
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| 21:41.45 | simonrvn | cureless: it'll get assigned one whether s/he wants to or not. the link-local one |
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| 21:42.22 | cureless | simonrvn: if the ipv6 module is loaded, no? |
| 21:42.27 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 21:42.50 | cureless | or does the bind() load the ipv6 module? ... which might be the case. |
| 21:42.53 | simonrvn | don't load it in the first place, or assign a global one that works |
| 21:43.12 | simonrvn | and/or conf it like greycat and peterS said |
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| 21:43.14 | cureless | I mean, socket()... |
| 21:43.55 | peterS | cureless: yes, bind() loads the ipv6 module, if you are trying to bind to ipv6. sshd does, by default. |
| 21:44.02 | simonrvn | not sure about thst, in modular ipv6 |
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| 21:44.22 | peterS | cureless: actually it probably is socket(), yeah |
| 21:44.24 | cureless | peterS: probably socket() |
| 21:44.35 | simonrvn | almost all apps that support ipv6 do look for an ipv6 addie first |
| 21:44.47 | simonrvn | (that i've seen) |
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| 21:45.35 | peterS | cureless: the kernel notes that PF_INET6 isn't supported, and thus requests the 'net-pf-10' module. modprobe translates that into the name 'ipv6' |
| 21:46.11 | cureless | peterS: I know. |
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| 21:47.12 | kyncani | hi, i have this disk.img disk image. It has 2 partitions and I want to mount first partition. Now i've read about mount -o loop,offset=XX that may do the trick, but i need to know at which offset in the disk image the first partition actually starts. Any idea ? |
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| 21:48.29 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 21:48.40 | greycat | X+N |
| 21:48.42 | greycat | what do I win? |
| 21:48.57 | kyncani | one virtual beer ;) |
| 21:49.11 | addNtoX | free air for the rest of your live |
| 21:49.16 | addNtoX | congratulations :) |
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| 21:50.13 | simonrvn | wtf kind of strange /quit msg is that... |
| 21:50.20 | greycat | simonrvn: tarragona's? |
| 21:50.29 | peterS | addNtoX: does that include free shipping of the air to any location he needs? like mexico city? |
| 21:50.34 | dvs | simonrvn: Yeah, "Client Quit" is reaaly weird. ;-) |
| 21:50.40 | addNtoX | yes of course |
| 21:50.40 | greycat | peterS: I was thinking about a career in space. |
| 21:50.43 | simonrvn | greycat: yes |
| 21:50.54 | addNtoX | on every place on earth |
| 21:51.00 | greycat | simonrvn: well, the ASCII graphics are clear enough -- glasses and a nose. |
| 21:51.17 | greycat | addNtoX: cheap bastard! |
| 21:51.32 | addNtoX | why? don't you like air? |
| 21:51.39 | asuffield | that'll come in real handy next time you're drowning |
| 21:51.51 | jnotaro | someone knows how to make the php5 script run as owner? |
| 21:51.58 | greycat | jnotaro: #php might |
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| 21:52.38 | dm1tri | hi al |
| 21:52.39 | jnotaro | I am there too, :) I am trying here coz I am using debian |
| 21:52.41 | dm1tri | all |
| 21:53.05 | greycat | unless they packaged it in unstable while I wasn't looking |
| 21:53.05 | dm1tri | got i wird question... in debian woody (3.0rc4), how do i download the gdlib's? |
| 21:53.07 | peterS | jnotaro: libapache-mod-suphp and php5-cgi |
| 21:53.12 | peterS | greycat: they did |
| 21:53.14 | greycat | dm1tri: apt-cache search lib gd |
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| 21:53.50 | peterS | jnotaro: actually I note that suphp doesn't know about php5, just php4. so you might have to force it a little |
| 21:53.53 | tarzeau | good night |
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| 21:54.45 | jnotaro | peterS, yes the suphp doesn't work anymore |
| 21:54.45 | simonrvn | greycat: he came in on another channel i'm in, all is explained |
| 21:54.59 | jnotaro | peterS, what is the problem? |
| 21:56.18 | peterS | jnotaro: check http://bugs.debian.org/src:suphp to see if it's a known thing |
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| 21:58.23 | Lestat^O^ | hi |
| 21:58.24 | greycat | griffon:~$ apt-cache search php5 |
| 21:58.24 | greycat | griffon:~$ |
| 21:58.29 | greycat | peterS: not on my sid mirror. |
| 21:58.52 | peterS | greycat: odd, I wonder why my dpkg -l knows about them. apt-cache doesn't. |
| 21:58.53 | Cyanophytes | anyone want to test my dialup ppp server? |
| 21:59.01 | greycat | peterS: you installed unofficial ones? |
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| 21:59.18 | peterS | greycat: no, I didn't. I don't have it installed, but dpkg -l php5\* knows about it |
| 21:59.23 | Lestat^O^ | is it a setting for limit bandwidth on a network card? |
| 21:59.30 | greycat | Lestat^O^: www.lartc.org |
| 22:00.06 | peterS | so somehow the php5 packages have sneaked into my available file |
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| 22:01.21 | cheal | peterS: me too...php5, php5-cgi, php5-cli, php5-gd, php5-mysql, php5-mysqli |
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| 22:01.45 | greycat | griffon:~$ grep php5 /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 22:01.46 | greycat | griffon:~$ |
| 22:02.03 | greycat | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 22:02.23 | Lestat^O^ | greycat: I mean is it a native setting for limit to 3Mbits not an external software? |
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| 22:02.39 | greycat | Lestat^O^: www.lartc.org is the best answer I can possibly give you |
| 22:03.05 | greycat | (unless you're willing to switch to openbsd) |
| 22:03.16 | peterS | greycat: aha. php5 itself isn't in available, but dpkg -l knows about it because it appears in some dependencies that *are* in there |
| 22:03.25 | greycat | peterS: that was my next guess... |
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| 22:03.37 | greycat | peterS: but why aren't they anywhere in my available file? |
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| 22:03.49 | greycat | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7475211 2005-03-26 08:09 /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 22:03.53 | peterS | greycat: good question. they appear in the depends: line for smarty and phpmyadmin |
| 22:03.58 | greycat | hmm... that's 3 days old. and I just apt-get update'd. |
| 22:04.31 | greycat | peterS: ah. they appear after I do a dselect update. |
| 22:04.39 | peterS | greycat: aha |
| 22:05.05 | greycat | 5 Depends and 1 Suggests |
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| 22:05.22 | jnotaro | peterS, actually, I did not install libapache2-mod-suphp yet, now I've tried and debian wants to install php4 again |
| 22:05.43 | greycat | jnotaro: whatever you're doing, it's not part of Debian as we know it. |
| 22:05.45 | peterS | jnotaro: right. as we already established, suphp hasn't been updated to know about php5 yet |
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| 22:06.04 | jaybuffet | ok so my hosts.allow = "ALL: 192.168.0.100/255", my exports = "/ 192.168.0.101/255.255.255.255(rw,no_root_squash,sync,wdelay)" |
| 22:06.06 | peterS | jnotaro: you should probably bug your third-party php5 source to see if they have suphp as well |
| 22:06.10 | jaybuffet | .oops |
| 22:06.20 | greycat | jaybuffet: /255 isn't a valid netmask |
| 22:06.23 | jaybuffet | ok so my hosts.allow = "ALL: 192.168.0.100/255.255.255.255", my exports = "/ 192.168.0.101/255.255.255.255(rw,no_root_squash,sync,wdelay)" |
| 22:06.33 | jaybuffet | what i mean.. finger slipped |
| 22:06.36 | jnotaro | peterS, yes, I've installed it from another resource |
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| 22:06.45 | peterS | greycat: that's for like IPv18 |
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| 22:07.10 | greycat | jaybuffet: and the log file says...? |
| 22:07.11 | jaybuffet | and 192.168.0.101 = 192.168.0.100 |
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| 22:07.49 | jaybuffet | on server says = "portmap[6380]: connect from 192.168.0.100 to getport(mountd): request from unauthorized host" |
| 22:08.17 | jaybuffet | on client (192.168.0.100) says "mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
| 22:08.43 | greycat | jaybuffet: hmm... wonder whether portmap rereads hosts.{deny,allow} on each request |
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| 22:09.34 | jaybuffet | ive restarted nfs-user-server each time i make a change |
| 22:09.45 | greycat | try restarting portmap, too. |
| 22:09.50 | ect0 | i magically had artwiz fonts working the non deb file, i apt-get update'd and now things just arent re-taking.. plus all i can find on xfonts-artwiz package are bug reports.. any ideas? |
| 22:09.53 | greycat | but I'm just guessing here. |
| 22:09.55 | jaybuffet | k |
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| 22:10.19 | XTR | I have a newbie question. Where do I put my html files for apache for it to show up as root, as in http://192.168.1.200 |
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| 22:10.32 | greycat | XTR: grep DocumentRoot /etc/apache*/*.conf |
| 22:10.50 | XTR | Eh. What does grep do? |
| 22:10.53 | greycat | man grep |
| 22:10.59 | XTR | k. |
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| 22:13.54 | ovis_ | hi folks i have trouble with a debian machine that has a apache server and i need to recompile apache 1.3.26 and i have no idea how to proseed |
| 22:13.55 | kyncani | whooohoo, gpart did the trick :) |
| 22:14.28 | ovis_ | [Wed Mar 30 00:14:12 2005] [warn] [csd] filedescriptor (1165) larger than FD_SETSIZE (1024) found, you probably need to rebuild Apache with a larger FD_SETSIZE |
| 22:15.10 | ovis_ | i have no experiens in building source packets ! |
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| 22:15.50 | ovis_ | Ši have these files: |
| 22:15.51 | ovis_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 299617 Mar 29 23:42 apache_1.3.26-0woody6.diff.gz |
| 22:15.51 | ovis_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 668 Mar 29 23:42 apache_1.3.26-0woody6.dsc |
| 22:15.51 | ovis_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 2586182 Mar 29 23:42 apache_1.3.26.orig.tar.gz |
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| 22:17.43 | devin_ | noob <~~~ here how would install a in my cdrom using cedega ?? |
| 22:17.59 | devin_ | ce^ |
| 22:18.05 | devin_ | cd^ |
| 22:18.06 | FarrisG | Is there a channel where lots of bored nerds sit who would love to build a regular expression for me? :) |
| 22:18.22 | kyncani | Farris: sure, shoot |
| 22:18.37 | kyncani | (apt-gettin right now) |
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| 22:20.05 | FarrisG | kyncani: I need a grep-friendly reg exp that will find all occurrences of [NUMBER:NUMBER]OPTIONALSPACE ANYSTRING [NUMBER:NUMBER] |
| 22:20.17 | FarrisG | where all [s are literal characters, not control characters |
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| 22:20.40 | peterS | FarrisG: why mention the optional space? |
| 22:20.43 | FarrisG | ack... that should be [NUMBER:NUMBER]OPTIONALSPACE ANYSTRING OPTIONALSPACE[NUMBER:NUMBER] |
| 22:20.48 | Pappa_ | ovis_: short answer: gunzip apache_1.3.26-0woody6.diff.gz; tar zxvf apache_1.3.26.orig.tar.gz; cd apache_1.3.26; patch -p1 < ../apache_1.3.26-0woody6.diff; ./configure && make && make insyall |
| 22:20.55 | FarrisG | peterS: HA! You're right, I'm dumb |
| 22:20.56 | kyncani | [a-b].*[a-b] |
| 22:20.57 | Pappa_ | make install* |
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| 22:21.41 | peterS | \[[0-9][0-9]*\.[0-9][0-9]*\].*\[[0-9][0-9]*\.[0-9][0-9]*\] |
| 22:21.53 | peterS | some regex languages make this a little easier |
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| 22:22.39 | grendal_prime | hey when i try and open a php document in mozilla-edit, it downloads it and wants to save it...how would i go about creating a mime type that makes mozilla think of the document as just another html documen? |
| 22:22.48 | FarrisG | thanks man |
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| 22:25.25 | ovis_ | Pappa_ i am in /usr/src/apache-1.3.26/upstream/tarballs |
| 22:25.58 | ovis_ | and there are the tarballs that have the actual source |
| 22:26.02 | peterS | FarrisG: note that I assumed when you said NUMBER you meant "one or more decimal digits" |
| 22:26.12 | ovis_ | apache_1.3.26.tar.gz |
| 22:26.25 | ovis_ | ³apache-contrib-1.0.8-nomodcvs.tar.gz |
| 22:26.37 | ovis_ | mod_auth_cache_0.1.1.tgz |
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| 22:27.01 | ovis_ | pkg.eapi-2.8.9-1.3.26.tar.gz |
| 22:27.12 | jaybuffet | is there anything i have to do in the passwd fileto get nfs to work |
| 22:27.45 | ovis_ | And then, how do i know i use the same instructions as the debian guy who compiled it ??? |
| 22:27.47 | peterS | jaybuffet: nfs doesn't have much to do with the passwd file directly |
| 22:28.03 | peterS | ovis_: you read debian/rules to see how they did it |
| 22:28.17 | ovis_ | peterS Thanks |
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| 22:29.13 | digital_ | gn :) |
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| 22:29.26 | festerdub_ | shellscript help for a sec.. |
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| 22:29.48 | festerdub_ | if you have a file with a word on each line.. how do you get it to put each 4 on one line.. |
| 22:29.49 | festerdub_ | anywone? |
| 22:29.55 | kwj | i input Sis (Generic) at 8mb for my video and its not letting me select anything higher than 800x600 (when the options were set as 1280x1024 and down): what could be wrong? |
| 22:30.04 | p88 | Hi all |
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| 22:30.07 | JoePenguin | festerdub_: cat file | xargs -n4 |
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| 22:30.14 | festerdub_ | thanks Joe! |
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| 22:30.23 | JoePenguin | :-D |
| 22:30.38 | grendal_prime | jaybuffet, squash root? |
| 22:30.42 | ovis_ | peterS in case of apache there are a whole lot of rules, is there a generic way to unpack all the tarballs and aply the rules ??? |
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| 22:30.53 | peterS | ovis_: just 'dpkg-buildpackage' as usual |
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| 22:31.13 | kwj | i input Sis (Generic) at 8mb for my video and its not letting me select anything higher than 800x600 (when the options were set as 1280x1024 and down): what could be wrong? |
| 22:31.15 | valdyn | kwj: pixel clockrate and vertical / horizontal frequencies for your display |
| 22:31.15 | ovis_ | peterS in witch dir |
| 22:31.15 | p88 | kwj: Good question I have the same problem but I thought it was my monitor that doesn't support the high resolution |
| 22:31.30 | kwj | think so? |
| 22:31.31 | kwj | hmm |
| 22:31.32 | peterS | ovis_: the toplevel, where debian/ and upstream/ and so forth are |
| 22:31.34 | kwj | its a 73Hz |
| 22:31.35 | kwj | atm |
| 22:31.53 | ovis_ | oke and just a plain dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 22:32.16 | kwj | aaaah it should be 50-60 hz |
| 22:32.17 | kwj | lol |
| 22:32.19 | kwj | ty |
| 22:32.33 | valdyn | kwj: its led? |
| 22:32.34 | peterS | ovis_: yeah, as root. if you don't want to have to be root, install 'fakeroot' and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' |
| 22:32.41 | festerdub_ | Joe.. it didnt work? if the file has a word on each line how do i get it to print them eg 1 2 3 4 then new line |
| 22:32.41 | p88 | hum what was kwj talking about? |
| 22:32.42 | _morbid_ | what is more used in the Linux world? FreeSwan or OpenVPN? |
| 22:33.04 | peterS | _morbid_: they are both widely used. probably freeswan, but people are migrating to openswan which is a successor |
| 22:33.11 | p88 | _morbid_: never heard of swan |
| 22:33.16 | _morbid_ | hummm |
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| 22:33.17 | JoePenguin | festerdub_: What was the output when you ran that? |
| 22:33.27 | _morbid_ | peterS: I have heard about! |
| 22:33.32 | festerdub_ | 1 |
| 22:33.32 | festerdub_ | 2 |
| 22:33.33 | festerdub_ | 3 |
| 22:33.35 | festerdub_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.37 | peterS | _morbid_: I think openvpn is easier to configure, but I haven't actually tried it |
| 22:33.39 | _morbid_ | peterS: I will see this openswan |
| 22:33.43 | festerdub_ | trying to get 1 2 3 4 |
| 22:33.46 | festerdub_ | 5 6 7 8 |
| 22:33.53 | Octalthorpe | I'm having trouble installing Linux on my laptop, using the Sarge installer.. Whenever I load ide-generic, it doesn't load for ide0, saying "ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free." |
| 22:33.59 | ovis_ | peter : iget /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: debian/rules: /usr/bin/make: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
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| 22:34.08 | ovis_ | btw i am root |
| 22:34.25 | peterS | ovis_: chmod +x debian/rules |
| 22:34.28 | JoePenguin | festerdub_: it works for me on my system. it doesn't alter the original file though, if that's what you were expecting |
| 22:34.28 | _morbid_ | peters: thanks ;) |
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| 22:34.37 | peterS | ovis_: if you had used 'apt-get source' to unpack the source code it would have done that for you |
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| 22:34.42 | festerdub_ | oh wait sorry its going through a for loop |
| 22:34.56 | festerdub_ | if [ $userse = "kat" ] |
| 22:34.56 | festerdub_ | then |
| 22:34.56 | festerdub_ | echo $userse\* | xargs -n4 |
| 22:35.15 | festerdub_ | best to output it to a file? |
| 22:35.30 | eugenesan | hi all, how do i clean/flush swap out? |
| 22:35.34 | JoePenguin | festerdub_: if you don't catch it, then it's gone :) |
| 22:35.43 | festerdub_ | thanks! |
| 22:35.44 | peterS | eugenesan: 'sync' is probably what you're talking about |
| 22:35.49 | peterS | eugenesan: that, or 'swapoff /dev/whatever' |
| 22:35.49 | festerdub_ | ill try outputting it.. |
| 22:36.06 | peterS | (followed perhaps by 'swapon /dev/whatever') |
| 22:36.10 | booyah | http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-2.2.20-reiserfs ( i just installed this ) and i still can't seem to mount my reiserfs partition |
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| 22:36.28 | booyah | any ideas? |
| 22:36.29 | addNtoX | how can i send strings to shells from other users who are logged into the same box? |
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| 22:37.05 | peterS | booyah: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 or similar |
| 22:37.10 | addNtoX | ......i guess that was no very good english :) |
| 22:37.13 | kwj | k i changed things twice |
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| 22:37.17 | festerdub_ | joe is there anyway to get it to put it formatted in an output? |
| 22:37.21 | kwj | and it still hasnt worked |
| 22:37.30 | festerdub_ | eg stephen testing 2 3 |
| 22:37.32 | peterS | booyah: the 2.4.18 kernels support reiserfs just fine. don't know about the 2.2.20 ones |
| 22:37.35 | festerdub_ | as opposed to stephen testing 2 3 |
| 22:37.45 | mcg | addNtoX: "man wall"? |
| 22:37.47 | p88 | Is PCI hotplug needed for C-Media sound cards to work? |
| 22:37.51 | kwj | the back of my monitor reads: 50/60 Hz |
| 22:38.00 | valdyn | kwj: lol |
| 22:38.01 | eugenesan | peterS: sync didn't help. But swapon/off is to dangerous. Its live server. |
| 22:38.04 | peterS | p88: PCI hotplug is only useful for laptop docking stations and things like that |
| 22:38.08 | booyah | I guess i'll take this oppurtinity to leave woody behind and go testing/sarge |
| 22:38.08 | booyah | =\ |
| 22:38.16 | peterS | eugenesan: swapoff is only dangerous if you think you will run out of memory |
| 22:38.19 | valdyn | kwj: thats almost funny, thats the frequencies of your O |
| 22:38.24 | p88 | peterS: so it is not needed |
| 22:38.28 | peterS | booyah: that's not a bad idea in any case |
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| 22:38.31 | addNtoX | mcg: thank you very much :) |
| 22:38.33 | valdyn | kwj: power |
| 22:38.37 | peterS | p88: right, unless you actually have something like that |
| 22:38.53 | cafuego | kwj: It's generally best to not choose a sync range and let X detect it by itself. |
| 22:38.54 | p88 | I don't |
| 22:38.56 | citral | My god, never saw so HORRIBLE french as in #debian-fr. Compared to that it's superb english here. |
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| 22:39.10 | kwj | cafuego: i did, and it wont let me go higher than 800x600 |
| 22:39.12 | cafuego | citral: Oui c'est vrai |
| 22:39.15 | valdyn | kwj: and has nothing at all to do with your OS |
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| 22:39.31 | cafuego | kwj: Modlines it is, then. |
| 22:39.34 | cafuego | modelines too |
| 22:39.37 | peterS | citral: ha |
| 22:39.40 | valdyn | kwj: enter the values from the manual, NOT POWER SOURC freqs |
| 22:39.41 | EvanCarroll | !fr |
| 22:39.41 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 22:39.46 | eugenesan | peterS: you never know what will kernel expect from RAM :-) |
| 22:39.50 | ferris | i get **Couldn't display "/home/ferris/100HP315.zip".** when i try to view a .zip file |
| 22:39.59 | peterS | eugenesan: true. but you can use the 'free' command to get an idea |
| 22:39.59 | ferris | how can i open the file? |
| 22:40.01 | citral | a mix of aol/moron/lame/inexistant_grammar speak |
| 22:40.02 | cafuego | dpkg: non, merci. |
| 22:40.13 | peterS | eugenesan: the "-/+ buffers/cache" line is the interesting one |
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| 22:40.56 | peterS | ferris: 'zipinfo' or 'unzip', both in the unzip package |
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| 22:41.29 | ferris | ok |
| 22:41.32 | c00l | is there a parm to install sarge with kernel 2.6 AND lilo? |
| 22:41.44 | eugenesan | peterS: u mean buffers::free > swap::use = ok? |
| 22:41.57 | cafuego | c00l: Yes. 'expert26' at bootup. |
| 22:42.10 | peterS | eugenesan: buffers don't matter. what matters is the amount of used swap and the amount of free memory on the -/+ line |
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| 22:42.32 | cafuego | eugenesan: It's better to use ram as active file cache/buffer then to store an app that's been idle for 2 hours. |
| 22:42.35 | kwj | i'll brb |
| 22:43.10 | peterS | eugenesan: the "-/+ buffers/cache" line, "free" number, minus the "Swap" line, "used" number, should be significantly greater than zero |
| 22:43.19 | nvz | htf am I suppose to make a bunch of jpg images 360x280? I tried convert -[size,resample,resize,scale].. blah blah blah and its getting the 360 but the vertical isnt right I need these to be exact |
| 22:43.31 | eugenesan | cafuego: it's not that just one of users sripts coused to mysql to split to ~300 threads and eat all RAM :-( |
| 22:43.48 | peterS | nvz: you want to screw up the aspect ratio, then? |
| 22:44.09 | eugenesan | peterS: yes that's what i ment. Thanks for info. |
| 22:44.22 | nvz | I am trying to make a script to convert eGames Mahjongg Master 4 themes (layout, tiles, background, music.. etc) to kmahjongg themes |
| 22:44.37 | mcg | nvz: "convert -geometry <width>x<height>" |
| 22:44.41 | c00l | cafuego just this way? |
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| 22:45.07 | peterS | mcg: that still preserves your old aspect ratio. so the pixel values in the new image won't necessarily be exactly what you ask for |
| 22:45.13 | kwj | k i change the sync's to the ones from the manual |
| 22:45.14 | kwj | no luck |
| 22:45.16 | peterS | well, I think it does anyway ... maybe not |
| 22:45.18 | nvz | kmahjongg wants tilesets to be 360x280, and when I do it in gimp, it works. but ones I try to batch convert with imagemajick cause kmajongg to crash becayuse they arent high enough |
| 22:45.22 | kwj | and im not sure what modelines are cafuego |
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| 22:46.27 | mcg | peterS: Aah, right, wait a sec... |
| 22:46.30 | nvz | a frind of mine owns this eGames Mahjongg Master 4, and its some damn directx pile of dung.. and it seems quite possible to convert this stuff and use it on kmahjongg |
| 22:46.35 | mcg | nvz: "convert -geometry <width>x<height>!" |
| 22:46.55 | nvz | mcg: thats it? with two filenames? |
| 22:47.19 | peterS | or -scale <width>x<height>! perhaps? |
| 22:47.21 | citral | nvz: for i in *; do convert blah $i; done |
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| 22:47.34 | mcg | nvz: "convert -geometry 640x320! infile outfile" |
| 22:48.10 | nvz | citral: I was already doing a ls *.jpg; while read jpg; do ...; done loop |
| 22:48.17 | citral | ah ok |
| 22:48.50 | nvz | just need the damn imagemagick to do as I think, and not as I say, I guess |
| 22:49.20 | citral | nvz: read the nice manual? :) |
| 22:50.09 | mcg | nvz: "man imagemagick" is your friend. :) |
| 22:50.19 | nvz | citral: I was reading the damn manual :P the manual was misleading me with the examples, and the options are documented in incomplete sentances |
| 22:50.43 | nvz | afaics the jpg thumbnail example did what I wanted |
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| 22:50.50 | citral | oh come on, it's only 2707 lines :P |
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| 22:51.03 | nvz | but when kmahjongg crashed, I realized it was not doing what I wanted |
| 22:51.30 | nvz | I need to file some wishlist bugs for kmahjongg |
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| 22:52.18 | nvz | include midi sound support, and configuration import tool.. then I can tweak it to import commercial game files |
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| 22:52.21 | ChickenBoy | Hi! |
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| 22:52.47 | ChickenBoy | How can I get a list of files that belong to a certain installed package? |
| 22:52.55 | k3k0 | what i must install to listen music in debian desktop ? |
| 22:52.58 | nvz | this game she has the eGames Mahjongg Master 4, has a lot of artwork.. compared to the maybe 2 themes in kmahjongg |
| 22:53.03 | cheal | ChickenBoy: dpkg -L foo |
| 22:53.03 | citral | k3k0: xmms |
| 22:53.14 | k3k0 | citral: i have helix player installed |
| 22:53.15 | booyah | ok, I remember seeing a FAQ or WIKI where it listed howto upgrade woody to sarge, i tried following the topic faq but no luck |
| 22:53.19 | cheal | k3k0: depends the format...many many choices |
| 22:53.33 | booyah | i can't seem to find an official document saying howto |
| 22:53.40 | citral | k3k0: you mean in X environment, right? xmms. |
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| 22:54.12 | k3k0 | citral: helix player says some components required audio/rn-mpeg |
| 22:54.15 | xerxes1358 | dpkg test |
| 22:54.15 | dpkg | Yes, xerxes1358, you're still online. |
| 22:54.27 | k3k0 | yeah.. i got x |
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| 22:55.13 | ChickenBoy | cheal: thx |
| 22:55.19 | LeoNerd | I've recently switched from courier-mta to exim; and now mutt can't send mail. It's just sitting stuck at the "Sending message..." line.. No other response... |
| 22:55.24 | k3k0 | citral: i try xmms |
| 22:55.29 | citral | k3k0: helix player is inadapted for music... with xmms you can play almost anything (may require additional plugins) and make playlists, edit them, etc. It's a winamp clone. |
| 22:55.42 | cheal | k3k0: what are you trying to play? |
| 22:55.51 | henca | Hi, I can't get urxvt to recognize the URxvt*font property I set up in .Xresources. |
| 22:56.04 | k3k0 | citral: with what command i can install xmms full with plugins and all :) |
| 22:56.15 | k3k0 | all shits in same packet ;) |
| 22:56.17 | henca | Even with xrdb (-load|-merge) .Xresources it still starts that tiny font. |
| 22:56.17 | peterS | henca: tried Rxvt*font? |
| 22:56.25 | citral | k3k0: oh, I guess apt-get install xmms* will do it. |
| 22:56.36 | peterS | henca: or even Rxvt.font? (should not need the *) |
| 22:56.37 | k3k0 | citral: allright |
| 22:56.41 | henca | peterS: yes, doesn't do it |
| 22:56.42 | helix | henca: which font? |
| 22:56.45 | helix | urxvt.font should work |
| 22:56.47 | nvz | only difference is, you cannot use cplay with the multimedia keys on a keyboard like you could easily do with xmms, and xbindkeys |
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| 22:57.03 | henca | helix: terminal, with -fn option it works great |
| 22:57.13 | helix | henca: eg: urxvt.font: xft:Andale Mono:pixelsize=11,9x15bold |
| 22:57.17 | peterS | henca: tried both Urxvt. and URxvt. ? these things are picky about capitalisation |
| 22:57.19 | ovis_ | peter i think that my server is running again |
| 22:57.21 | citral | nvz: I don't have this kind of keys, so... |
| 22:57.26 | helix | you don't need to capitalize it |
| 22:57.30 | henca | peterS: I'll try them... |
| 22:57.41 | peterS | helix: true but then you're using the name rather than the class |
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| 22:58.09 | helix | henca: where are you using this? .Xresources? did you do an xrdb -merge after changing it if so? |
| 22:58.22 | mcg | LeoNerd: By default, mutt should be calling "/usr/sbin/sendmail" with some args. Run "ps fx" in a different terminal to see what might be going on. |
| 22:58.24 | peterS | helix: he just said he did |
| 22:58.26 | henca | helix: yes, both in .xsession and manually |
| 22:58.35 | helix | peterS: is your name henca? |
| 22:58.42 | peterS | helix: no, my name is peter |
| 22:58.46 | helix | k |
| 22:58.49 | k3k0 | citral: xmms works ngreat :) |
| 22:58.57 | LeoNerd | mcg: Yeah; no sign of that there... |
| 22:58.58 | p88 | what is APIC error on CPU0: 00(60)? |
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| 22:59.08 | LeoNerd | I even straced it... but am debugging what might be a related problem to do with IMAP |
| 22:59.22 | Apolo | any brazilian here??? |
| 22:59.30 | helix | Apolo: #debian-br |
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| 22:59.30 | citral | !br |
| 22:59.30 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:59.32 | _morbid_ | Apolo: me? |
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| 22:59.43 | peterS | actually, come to think of it, my name might also be henca. so hard to remember sometimes |
| 22:59.45 | _morbid_ | Apolo: try #debian-br |
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| 22:59.59 | citral | peterS: personality troubles? :) |
| 23:00.07 | tbird | how do i install a .deb package that i downloaded.. or better yet whats the name of the java package available |
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| 23:00.14 | mcg | LeoNerd: Anything in /var/log/mail/mail.log? |
| 23:00.23 | peterS | citral: well, helix asked if I was henca. I figure she already knew I wasn't, but, you know, that sort of thing does make a man have doubts |
| 23:00.24 | henca | peterS, helix: thanks, with URxvt.font it works 8-S |
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| 23:00.31 | peterS | henca: heh, cool |
| 23:00.34 | citral | tbird: dpkg -i <package> |
| 23:00.40 | p88 | What is APIC used for in Linux? |
| 23:01.25 | tbird | thnx citral |
| 23:01.25 | peterS | p88: APIC == advanced programmable interrupt controller |
| 23:01.25 | peterS | p88: it's used to send IRQ messages from peripherals to the CPU |
| 23:01.25 | p88 | peterS: Yes but what does linux do with that? |
| 23:01.25 | cheal | !tell tbird about java |
| 23:01.26 | p88 | ah |
| 23:01.26 | azreal | tbird: if your on sid, install java-package. |
| 23:01.28 | peterS | p88: the 'APIC error' thing usually means some electrical noise that affects the motherboard, or something like that. almost always harmless |
| 23:01.35 | drac | azreal: java-package is also in sarge |
| 23:01.46 | LeoNerd | mcg: No, I have it now... Seems to be a bug in mutt... The IMAP folder I have set for saving outgoing mail to didn't exist; mutt asks if it should create it anyway. I said no, and apparently angered it. Now I've pointed it in the right place, all seems fine. |
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| 23:01.47 | p88 | peterS: Okay thanks :) |
| 23:01.49 | azreal | drac: oh, wasnt aware. |
| 23:02.46 | xerxes1358 | . |
| 23:03.00 | mcg | LeoNerd: I see. Looks like one more thing mutt-ng (sh|c)ould take care off... |
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| 23:03.15 | mcg | s/off/of/ |
| 23:03.27 | LeoNerd | mutt-ng? |
| 23:03.33 | peterS | mcg: indeed. is mutt-ng worth checking out? I'm thinking about it |
| 23:03.53 | peterS | LeoNerd: it's a fork of mutt - will soon be appearing in debian unstable |
| 23:03.54 | LeoNerd | Oooh.. :) |
| 23:04.03 | peterS | LeoNerd: apparently there are a few mutt-ng patches in the official mutt in debian already, but a lot more are not |
| 23:04.08 | cafuego | does mutt-ng do anything PINE can't? ;-) |
| 23:04.14 | helix | the -ng thing is so tired |
| 23:04.21 | peterS | cafuego: heh, no clue, what does pine do these days? |
| 23:04.23 | ChickenBoy | Where can I find a log on packages installed? |
| 23:04.30 | ChickenBoy | Is there such a log? |
| 23:04.31 | peterS | helix: oh, certainly, but that doesn't make mutt-ng a bad thing other than the name (: |
| 23:04.32 | Thunder- | cafuego, it does everything pine does, except suck total ass |
| 23:04.32 | mrhemlock | what is argument to apt-get/dpk to force overwrite of all files ? |
| 23:04.36 | cafuego | peterS: pop/imap/news afaik |
| 23:04.39 | mcg | peterS: Dunno yet. Let's see how it gets maintained. :-) |
| 23:04.39 | helix | yeah, I'm just sick of -ng names |
| 23:04.41 | helix | they're lame |
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| 23:04.52 | peterS | yes |
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| 23:05.03 | helix | or maybe I am unnecessarily angered by there being a bazaar-ng already |
| 23:05.06 | peterS | mcg: not being maintained by Md would be a feature, in most cases (: |
| 23:05.17 | peterS | helix: indeed - what's up with that one? that seemed so strange |
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| 23:05.27 | helix | it appears to be a complete rewrite |
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| 23:05.34 | peterS | ahhhhhh |
| 23:05.35 | helix | and maybe they wanted to keep the clever bazaar name |
| 23:05.41 | helix | but -ng really soils it |
| 23:05.44 | citral | the best feature imo is the umask thing |
| 23:05.52 | helix | citral: best feature in what? |
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| 23:06.06 | citral | mutt-ng vs mutt |
| 23:06.12 | helix | what's the umask thing? |
| 23:06.17 | hlp | has anyone had a problem with network 0000:02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 41). when you bring interface up internet works for a minute or 2, and then internet goes down.... |
| 23:06.19 | peterS | helix: mutt-ng lets the user control the umask better than mutt does. I don't understand why this is useful but apparently some people need it |
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| 23:06.36 | citral | the ability to set your own umask, was hardcoded before |
| 23:06.36 | Regenuluz | Hey folks, anyone in here knows why I can't get gnome to run in ascreen resolution higher then 800*600? I've tryed to run xf86config, but doesn't seem to change anything.. |
| 23:06.44 | ChickenBoy | How can I tell Debian to log every package I install? |
| 23:06.44 | OrangeRoot1000 | i have a sony dsc-p72 camera usb... lsusb shows me my bus, dev nd id# for the camera and i know tha tgtkam supports my camera.. i need help gettng it set up with a 2.6.11 kernel... in the 2.4.x kernel i could make an entry in fstab/mtab for /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera .. line but this does not seem to work any longer b/c i do not even see a /dev/sda1 device file now |
| 23:06.55 | hlp | has anyone had a problem with network 0000:02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 41). when you bring interface up internet works for a minute or 2, and then internet goes down.... but if you bring it down and back up, it works again for a few minutes and then stopes working :/ |
| 23:06.58 | peterS | ChickenBoy: use 'aptitude install' instead of 'apt-get install'. aptitude keeps a log |
| 23:06.59 | citral | it's practic if you share mailboxes mainly |
| 23:07.04 | helix | I wonder why setting up networking on windows is such a pain in the ass |
| 23:07.06 | k3k0 | citral: :D can you help me dude little, how i can remove this helix players what i just installed, i installed it in /usr/helix/ |
| 23:07.11 | helix | why can't everything have /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:07.15 | peterS | citral: ah yeah. never tried that |
| 23:07.25 | ChickenBoy | peterS: But I use dselect |
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| 23:07.30 | helix | oh |
| 23:07.34 | peterS | ChickenBoy: then you just may be out of luck |
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| 23:07.38 | helix | the umask thing doesn't seem helpful to me, but :) |
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| 23:07.47 | peterS | ja. |
| 23:07.56 | citral | k3k0: hmmm, you shouldn't have. this kind of self compiled/installed things should go in /usr/local/ |
| 23:08.15 | cafuego | helix: Because I don't want an unsightly /etc on my laptop. |
| 23:08.19 | setnf | What must I do with screen to some user watch what I be doing or typing on my pts ? |
| 23:08.21 | citral | k3k0: so just rm -r /usr/helix |
| 23:08.29 | helix | oh my god citral :( |
| 23:08.31 | k3k0 | citral: ok thanks |
| 23:08.34 | k3k0 | i go cafe |
| 23:08.34 | k3k0 | ;) |
| 23:08.37 | k3k0 | bye |
| 23:08.51 | citral | helix: sorry 'bout that :P |
| 23:08.56 | asuffield | it would be fun if helix was a file |
| 23:09.06 | Regenuluz | Hey folks, anyone in here knows why I can't get gnome to run in ascreen resolution higher then 800*600? I've tryed to run xf86config, but doesn't seem to change anything.. |
| 23:09.10 | cafuego | asuffield: She is. comes in helixplayer.deb |
| 23:09.16 | setnf | What must I do with 'screen' to some user watch what I be doing or typing on my pts ? |
| 23:09.18 | hlp | has anyone had a problem with network 0000:02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 41). when you bring interface up internet works for a minute or 2, and then internet goes down.... but if you bring eth0 down and back up, it works again for a few minutes and then stopes working :/ |
| 23:09.44 | peterS | asuffield: I get the odd idea you find helix fun anyway, file or not |
| 23:09.45 | helix | setnf: assuming they're also running screen, screen -x? |
| 23:09.47 | cafuego | hlp: Which kernel and driver are you using? |
| 23:09.47 | OrangeRoot1000 | Regenuluz: could be your graphics card |
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| 23:10.13 | peterS | hlp: are you using the e100 driver or the eepro100 driver? whichever you're using, try the other (: |
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| 23:10.20 | setnf | helix, i can't remember sorry. could you say more ? |
| 23:10.28 | Regenuluz | OrangeRoot1000, eek, any way that I can find out? Used to work find with both windows and redhat... |
| 23:10.37 | helix | what can't you remember? |
| 23:10.43 | hlp | peterS 2.6.8 #5 Tue Mar 29 16:34:37 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux, and the driver whatever is in the kernel :) yeta socket i belive... |
| 23:10.44 | asuffield | . o O (strip /usr/helix) |
| 23:10.51 | asuffield | peterS: targets are always fun |
| 23:10.51 | setnf | helix, how to do for some user see my pts |
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| 23:11.05 | OrangeRoot1000 | Regenuluz: do you happen to have a configuration hardcopy of your r/h file? |
| 23:11.08 | cafuego | hlp: Is it a pcmcia card? |
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| 23:11.24 | peterS | hlp: both e100 and eepro100 are available in that kernel |
| 23:11.25 | Regenuluz | OrangeRoot1000, nope.. /: |
| 23:11.28 | cafuego | shirley not |
| 23:11.37 | peterS | yeah, you'd think not since it's a chipset thing |
| 23:11.46 | peterS | I mean, the identifier is that of a motherboard chipset |
| 23:12.04 | cafuego | peterS: integration is fun |
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| 23:12.13 | peterS | cafuego: even more fun than differentiation |
| 23:12.19 | OrangeRoot1000 | Regenuluz: well.. hmmm |
| 23:12.25 | Regenuluz | OrangeRoot1000, I've tryed to run xf86config a few times though. And set it up as it was supposed to, in there. But doesn't affact gnome at all. |
| 23:12.27 | cafuego | peterS: I have a mouse with built-in wifi and floppy drive |
| 23:12.34 | setnf | helix, any idea ? |
| 23:12.34 | hlp | cafuego no, it is built in. |
| 23:12.40 | OrangeRoot1000 | Regenuluz: try to adjust your default depth level to 15 |
| 23:12.40 | Regenuluz | And it kinda sucks to run in 800*600.. :p |
| 23:12.46 | azreal | why does dpkg no longer respond to my query's ? ie. "/msg dpkg blahblah" ? |
| 23:12.51 | hlp | peterS any way to check which one? |
| 23:12.53 | helix | setnf: no, I have no idea what you're saying, sorry |
| 23:12.53 | OrangeRoot1000 | Regenuluz: if i remember correctly it is usally set to 24 by default |
| 23:13.02 | OrangeRoot1000 | Regenuluz: sometimes that can be too high for your card |
| 23:13.02 | hlp | i mean any way to check which one is used atm? |
| 23:13.17 | peterS | hlp: lsmod |
| 23:13.21 | setnf | helix, i must enable my pts for some user watch my pts |
| 23:13.26 | paulswm | !test |
| 23:13.27 | dpkg | No, paulswm, you're not online any more. |
| 23:13.32 | mcg | setnf: Start a normal screen session. As the same user, run "screen -x" in a different terminal, e.g. via SSH login. |
| 23:13.32 | cafuego | hlp: Just for reference, yenta_socket is a pcmcia socket driver. |
| 23:13.35 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 23:13.35 | dpkg | paulswm: aw, gee |
| 23:13.36 | Regenuluz | OrangeRoot1000, yeah. Okay, i'll give it a try at 15, thanks! If it doesn't work, then i'll come back again tomorrow. It's getting late. :) |
| 23:13.38 | pragma_ | !penis |
| 23:13.38 | dpkg | somebody said penis was the male reproductive organ |
| 23:13.47 | hlp | peterS kern.log:Mar 29 17:16:57 siberia kernel: eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker http://www.scyld.com/network/eepro100.html |
| 23:13.47 | OrangeRoot1000 | Regenuluz: kk yw |
| 23:13.49 | SammyTheSnake | hi everybody. I'm trying to get my ancient soundblaster working. All I get is some interesting noises that sound like cross-talk with signal lines in the machine (but at lest they're amplified) and random chunks of sound when I try to play anything. Any suggestions? What is "the debian way" to go about this? |
| 23:13.59 | paulswm | azreal: works OK for me |
| 23:14.14 | citral | pragma_: you were expecting an url? |
| 23:14.16 | peterS | hlp: ok then. you're using eepro100. try to 'ifdown' the interface, then 'rmmod eepro100' and 'modprobe e100' |
| 23:14.18 | cafuego | hlp: Yopu'll want to use 'e100' instead then. |
| 23:14.38 | setnf | mcg, not with the same user... i need other user watch it |
| 23:14.50 | hlp | hrm.. actually both are in the kern.log :/ and i dont' think eihter of them as a module |
| 23:15.12 | azreal | paulswm: hmm, i guess dpkg is just ignoreing me about stuff it knows nothing about. |
| 23:15.14 | mcg | setnf: The easy way is to switch the user using "su - username"... |
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| 23:15.15 | hlp | so, they conflict i suppose? |
| 23:15.28 | setnf | mcg, thanks :-) |
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| 23:15.49 | setnf | mcg, could be made any process without root user or not ? |
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| 23:16.16 | mcg | setnf: ? |
| 23:16.36 | setnf | mcg, needs root privilegies to do it ? |
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| 23:17.16 | mcg | setnf: Not necessarily. As long as both "screen"s are started by the same user, it should work right away. |
| 23:17.25 | hlp | peterS so i take it they are conflicing with each other, cause by accident both of them are in kernel... which one shoudl i choose? |
| 23:17.30 | setnf | mm mcg thanks |
| 23:17.40 | peterS | hlp: eepro100 is obviously the one being used. unload both and then load e100 |
| 23:17.57 | peterS | hlp: don't worry about conflicts, they won't actually conflict with each other - that in itself won't cause problems |
| 23:18.02 | citral | setnf: you start screen, the other start screen, the he do "su - setnf" then screen -X |
| 23:18.05 | hlp | peterS neither of them as a lkm, and both compiled in, and both are int he kernel logs... |
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| 23:18.33 | peterS | hlp: how'd that happen? they're modules in debian kernel packages |
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| 23:18.48 | Avantopia | xam? |
| 23:18.50 | Avantopia | I am having some wireless configuration issues. |
| 23:18.52 | Avantopia | this sucks. |
| 23:18.59 | Avantopia | I have to run: dhclient eth2 |
| 23:19.02 | hlp | peterS, it was my stupid self :) kern.log:Mar 29 17:16:57 siberia kernel: e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.0.18; kern.log:Mar 29 17:16:57 siberia kernel: eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker http://www.scyld.com/network/eepro100.html |
| 23:19.06 | Avantopia | everytime I boot my laptop |
| 23:19.18 | azreal | paulswm: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc.fortune |
| 23:19.19 | peterS | hlp: hmmm. I'm not sure how to disable one of those at boot time |
| 23:19.19 | Avantopia | how do I get this done at boot? |
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| 23:19.29 | paulswm | !beer azreal |
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| 23:19.42 | hlp | peters, i'l have to recompile the kernel, sicne they are build in... which one should i leave? |
| 23:19.53 | peterS | hlp: both as modules. then you can test both independently |
| 23:20.09 | SammyTheSnake | can anyone help me get my soundcard working? I'd like to do it "the debian way" if I can, but I'm not sure what that is :S |
| 23:20.21 | hlp | peterS indeed |
| 23:20.23 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : What card do you have? |
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| 23:20.34 | cafuego | SammyTheSnake: load the modules via 'modconf', set the volume via amixer. |
| 23:20.38 | paulswm | azreal: Thanks, I bookmarked it this time :) |
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| 23:20.55 | azreal | paulswm: cool. |
| 23:21.12 | helix | Avantopia: auto eth2 \ iface eth1 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:21.22 | helix | or so, I guess |
| 23:21.22 | Avantopia | anyone here an expert at wireless pcmcia card configuration? I have my /etc/network/interfaces file setup as best as possible and I |
| 23:21.33 | Avantopia | helix, I have auto eth2 |
| 23:21.34 | Avantopia | yes |
| 23:21.40 | helix | with the dhcp stuff too? |
| 23:21.40 | Avantopia | iface eth2 inet dhcp |
| 23:21.44 | Avantopia | yes |
| 23:21.45 | paulswm | azreal: I have had some fun with #71 |
| 23:21.45 | helix | hrm |
| 23:21.47 | hlp | peterS and cafuego thank you |
| 23:21.56 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: It's got Soundlbaster written on it, so that's my first guess :p |
| 23:22.08 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : Are you using Sarge or Woody? |
| 23:22.11 | peterS | np, hlp |
| 23:22.15 | SammyTheSnake | might be one of these not-an-original ones though... |
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| 23:22.22 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: sarge |
| 23:22.31 | mcg | Avantopia: What's the result of running "ifup eth2"? |
| 23:22.34 | herka | enybody maybe knows the module for marvel yukon netork card? |
| 23:22.41 | hlp | i've got another question, i'm on a laptop, and i want ot be able to use and watch movies, on a monitor connected to a video out... any ideas how i would do that? |
| 23:22.47 | paulswm | SammyTheSnake: 'lspci' will tell you what it actually is |
| 23:22.49 | peterS | herka: hmmm. I used to know. hold on a second |
| 23:22.57 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : hmm, paste the output of "lsmod" at pastebin.ca and send me a link |
| 23:22.58 | Avantopia | mcg, /etc/network/interfaces:13: misplaced option |
| 23:22.58 | Avantopia | ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 23:22.59 | herka | peterS thanks |
| 23:23.05 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : I want to see what drivers are already loaded :P |
| 23:23.07 | SammyTheSnake | cafuego: modconf? I'll have a look... |
| 23:23.11 | dionoea | hlp: use VLC and disable video overlay :) |
| 23:23.31 | mcg | Avantopia: Well, have a look at line 13. :-) |
| 23:23.31 | peterS | herka: ahhh. 'sk98lin' |
| 23:23.38 | hlp | dionoea and with mplayer? |
| 23:23.56 | peterS | which is a really stupid name but we're stuck with it now |
| 23:24.09 | hlp | the screen seems to be flickering when i lay mp3 or somehting, i assume it does not recive enough power... (just like with tvs) |
| 23:24.09 | helix | Avantopia: oh, it's a pcmcia card? what happens when you unplug it and put it back in? |
| 23:24.12 | herka | peterS i tried with modprobe sk98lin but it returns: cant locate module sk98lin |
| 23:24.20 | helix | that name would be cooler if it were sk8in |
| 23:24.24 | helix | can we rename it? |
| 23:24.24 | peterS | herka: what kernel version have you got? 'uname -r' will tell |
| 23:24.28 | Avantopia | helix, I get a beep |
| 23:24.30 | dionoea | hlp: don't know ... disable video overlay too ... don't know how to do it though |
| 23:24.31 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: pasting now... |
| 23:24.40 | helix | Avantopia: do you get intarweb? |
| 23:24.41 | peterS | helix: heh. that one took me a moment. I guess you can ask davem and linus |
| 23:24.45 | herka | peterS 2.2.20 |
| 23:24.48 | helix | I'll email them immediately |
| 23:24.52 | Avantopia | helix, I have no idea what intarweb is. |
| 23:24.55 | peterS | helix: yeah, you do that |
| 23:24.58 | helix | Avantopia: internet |
| 23:25.03 | peterS | herka: 2.2.20 doesn't support any gigabit ethernet, I think |
| 23:25.03 | Avantopia | helix, oh... |
| 23:25.05 | helix | well, it's worked in the past! |
| 23:25.05 | Avantopia | let me try! |
| 23:25.06 | Avantopia | hehe |
| 23:25.15 | Avantopia | bb ... if something goes wrong |
| 23:25.22 | azreal | paulswm: haha, that kills me! |
| 23:25.34 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: http://pastebin.ca/8454 |
| 23:25.34 | herka | peterS but i have also nvidia card on board witch module can i use with it? |
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| 23:25.44 | azreal | paulswm: that one seems to be hidden or something. |
| 23:26.01 | peterS | herka: an nvidia network card? or an nvidia graphics card? or a whole nvidia motherboard chipset? or what? |
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| 23:26.05 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: I just did modprobe -k sb and got to where I am... |
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| 23:26.21 | herka | peterS motherboard chipset :) and graphic card :)) |
| 23:26.31 | paulswm | azreal: he was giving bad advice in #ubuntu over the weekend, so I pasted it. He was not thrilled, but others were grateful. |
| 23:26.38 | peterS | herka: the 2.2.20 kernel doesn't support many, if any, of the nvidia chipset features |
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| 23:26.48 | directhex | i'm amazed he got woody installed at all |
| 23:26.51 | herka | peterS so what should i do ?! :) |
| 23:26.52 | azreal | paulswm: hilarious. |
| 23:26.55 | peterS | herka: your best bet is to upgrade to a 2.4.18 kernel, or just go ahead and upgrade your whole machine to debian 3.1 (not yet released) |
| 23:27.02 | peterS | herka: for the one: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.18 |
| 23:27.03 | herka | :) |
| 23:27.04 | Avantopia | FFFF |
| 23:27.06 | Avantopia | my system is all F'ed |
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| 23:27.09 | Avantopia | GNOME broke |
| 23:27.14 | directhex | i didn't think 2.2.20.idepci even supported the vanilla ide controller on nforce* |
| 23:27.21 | Avantopia | I had to dhclient eth2 again |
| 23:27.25 | peterS | herka: probably you'll want kernel-image-2.4.18-686 or something like that |
| 23:27.27 | directhex | of course, there's no nforce thernet on <2.4.23 |
| 23:27.28 | herka | peterS but my network doesnt work :) |
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| 23:27.34 | directhex | peterS, k7 |
| 23:27.39 | peterS | herka: oh, point. well, kernel-image-2.4.18-whatever should be on the Debian CD |
| 23:27.47 | Avantopia | helix, when I plug the pcmcia prism card back into the slot the wireless doesn't connect. |
| 23:27.49 | peterS | directhex: oh, did 2.4.18 in woody come with a -k7 flavor? |
| 23:28.00 | directhex | peterS, does it matter? forcedeth requires 2.4.23 |
| 23:28.04 | helix | I wonder what's up with your card. do you use hotplug? |
| 23:28.09 | directhex | !woody hardware support |
| 23:28.09 | dpkg | i guess woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet ( forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 23:28.11 | peterS | directhex: oh yeah. I forget these little details |
| 23:28.15 | Avantopia | helix, how do I check? |
| 23:28.15 | puter | are there any package collections for laptops? |
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| 23:28.22 | helix | Avantopia: dpkg -l hotplug |
| 23:28.28 | herka | peterS i'm new to linux and i don't know how to install a new kernel |
| 23:28.38 | directhex | !d-i herka |
| 23:28.39 | dpkg | herka, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:28.51 | herka | thanks |
| 23:28.56 | herka | sorry for trouble |
| 23:29.01 | directhex | dpkg, woody hardware support =~ s/ forcedeth/nForce*/ |
| 23:29.01 | dpkg | directhex: OK |
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| 23:29.06 | peterS | herka: as directhex points out, even the 2.4.18 kernels don't support your nvidia network chip. however, they do support sk98lin, although I forget whether that includes the yukon in that version |
| 23:29.07 | Avantopia | helix, some garbage text was returned, I don't know how to read it. |
| 23:29.17 | directhex | peterS, i sincerely doubt it |
| 23:29.20 | Avantopia | helix, should I install hotplug? |
| 23:29.22 | helix | I don't think it was garbage text and it's not nice of you to call it that |
| 23:29.36 | herka | peterS thanks once more |
| 23:29.37 | azreal | paulswm: qotd #8 was allways my favorite. |
| 23:29.40 | helix | Avantopia: is there an 'ii' next to the package name? or did it say it wasn't installed? or what? |
| 23:29.48 | peterS | herka: anyway, 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.18' will print a list of kernel packages. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-686' or whatever will install one. then you follow the directions it gives you in the pop-up note, then reboot |
| 23:29.50 | puter | what packages do i need to install on a laptop? |
| 23:29.52 | Avantopia | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 23:29.52 | Avantopia | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 23:29.52 | Avantopia | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 23:29.53 | Avantopia | ii |
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| 23:30.05 | peterS | !beer debhelper |
| 23:30.06 | helix | Avantopia: don't paste |
| 23:30.09 | helix | anyway, it's installed |
| 23:30.16 | Avantopia | k |
| 23:30.17 | helix | so I have no idea what's wrong with your card |
| 23:30.19 | directhex | !info kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7 woody |
| 23:30.43 | BadMan | Avantopia: try this instead http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 23:30.49 | herka | peterS i work before on pc's who had network predefined by somebody and i know hot to use apt. thanks |
| 23:30.53 | mcg | Avantopia: If there's no secret in it, maybe you want to show us your interfaces file in #flood, at least the eth2 part? |
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| 23:30.57 | directhex | Package 'kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7' does not exist. |
| 23:31.02 | Avantopia | helix, It doesn't seem to be my card... I had no issues when I was using gentoo... but Gentoo is a lost cause for this laptop. |
| 23:31.11 | directhex | herka, install sarge. it supports your hardware, it works with your network etc. |
| 23:31.13 | Avantopia | mcg, k |
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| 23:31.22 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: what do you make of it, then? |
| 23:31.52 | herka | directhex sarge? |
| 23:31.58 | directhex | !d-i herka |
| 23:31.59 | dpkg | herka, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:32.46 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : Looks like you're set up to use OSS. Are you using gnome or KDE? |
| 23:32.58 | paster | "Avantopia" at 66.212.64.234 pasted "/etc/network/interfaces" (18 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/381 |
| 23:33.05 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : If the latter, you don't need to do anything but install "aumix." If the former, you need to install "aumix" and "esound" |
| 23:33.17 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: evilwm :D |
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| 23:33.34 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: I've got aumix installed |
| 23:33.43 | drac | Hmm, does debian have anything like BSDs joint-mount? |
| 23:33.44 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: should I try esound? |
| 23:33.57 | paster | "Avantopia" at 66.212.64.234 pasted "/etc/network/interfaces" (18 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/382 |
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| 23:34.17 | Avantopia | http://channels.debian.net/paste/382 |
| 23:34.19 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : aumix is a volume control app, that's all you need. "esound" provides the sound server, "esd," which allows multiple programs to use sound at the same time |
| 23:34.38 | travisat | !wmii |
| 23:34.38 | dpkg | Window Manager Improved 2: a lightweight window manager for X, which attempts to combine the best ideas of tiling and tabbing window managers like larswm, ratpoison, or ion with the flexibility of the Acme programming enviroment of the plan9 operating system |
| 23:35.14 | travisat | I just found this jewel |
| 23:35.20 | Avantopia | mcg, anything wrong with my /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 23:35.23 | mcg | Avantopia: Try not to place "auto eth2" between the "iface eth2" line and the eth2 options. |
| 23:35.53 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : Why, do sound apps just not work for you? |
| 23:36.01 | peterS | travisat: yay. the world has never known a "lightweight, minimalistic window manager that just has the features everyone needs" before |
| 23:36.23 | directhex | evilwm! |
| 23:36.26 | Avantopia | mcg, where should 'auto eth2' be? |
| 23:36.27 | cafuego | peterS: P'a. fvwm2 has bene out for years. |
| 23:36.29 | travisat | peterS: but it does trully |
| 23:36.49 | peterS | cafuego: fvwm isn't advertised as being minimalistic and lightweight. even though compared to twm and successors it is |
| 23:37.14 | mcg | Avantopia: Anywhere outside an interface definition, e.g. right above "iface eth2 ..." |
| 23:37.17 | Avantopia | mcg, I don't understand why this dhclient program or similar isn't run at boot? |
| 23:37.22 | cafuego | peterS: Anything advertised as lightweight these days would probably have ahard time running on 486 grade hardware. |
| 23:37.24 | Avantopia | mcg, done |
| 23:37.29 | peterS | cafuego: right |
| 23:37.33 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: I've checked using modconf, it has the sb module as installed. I still don't get the sound I expect, though. |
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| 23:37.37 | paulswm | azreal: scuse the delay, yes, qotd8 is really really good. |
| 23:37.43 | mcg | Avantopia: See what "ifup eth2" says now. |
| 23:37.45 | cafuego | peterS: I think it's come to mean "slightly faster then Windows XP and without eyecandy" |
| 23:37.47 | fran | Hello all |
| 23:37.51 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: I just get a little chunk of sound every half a second or so... |
| 23:37.59 | fran | I just bought a DVD-RW |
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| 23:38.28 | cafuego | drac: And yes, there is a unionfs type thing for Linux. |
| 23:38.29 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : That's pretty weird. What sound app are you using? |
| 23:38.33 | mcg | Avantopia: "ifup" will take care of running a DHCP client -- if it can understand the instructions. |
| 23:38.43 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: vlc |
| 23:38.44 | pipeline | travisat : heh, wm2 is oooold. |
| 23:38.46 | fran | DVDS in linux are recorded like standard CDs? I mean, make the image with mkisofs and then simply burn with cdrecord? Or I have to make other extra considerations? |
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| 23:39.02 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : preferences -> check the "advanced options" button -> see what audio output plugin you're using. |
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| 23:39.04 | cafuego | fran: Data DVDs are, yes |
| 23:39.04 | dinomite | nope, just like CDs, as far as I know |
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| 23:39.11 | dinomite | yeah, data dvds |
| 23:39.14 | cafuego | fran: video dvds are a whole different story |
| 23:39.16 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : It might be that your computer is too slow, it might be that something is actually screwed up. |
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| 23:39.24 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: I tried playing CDs and didn't get anywhere, but that's a different beast anyway so I figured I'd better spend my time elsewhere... |
| 23:39.43 | fran | cafuego: Yes, I thought that, but for now I´m interested in some data backup |
| 23:39.45 | dinomite | you can use something like "grip" to play cds |
| 23:39.48 | peterS | cafuego: oh? I thought cdrecord did not support DVD media. don't you need to use one of the handful of DVD writer things? |
| 23:39.48 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : Playing CD's isn't even under the control of the OS |
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| 23:40.16 | paulswm | Playing CDs is direct from the CD player to the sound card |
| 23:40.20 | cafuego | Hold on, workstation out of memory |
| 23:40.25 | peterS | sometimes it is, sometimes it ain't |
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| 23:40.39 | paulswm | If it's wired that way, that is |
| 23:40.39 | peterS | anyway, the OS still gets to control the volume on the cd input channel of the sound card |
| 23:40.40 | marcel__ | aprospros evilwm! someone uses BdWM? |
| 23:40.47 | directhex | grip is always silent for me |
| 23:40.52 | asuffield | peterS: upstream cdrecord does not. Debian cdrecord does. |
| 23:40.57 | SammyTheSnake | paulswm: exactly, so I didn't waste my time worrying about that as it wouldn't help the general case :) I could just have the cable in the wrong socket for that one... |
| 23:40.57 | peterS | asuffield: oh, good deal |
| 23:41.01 | cafuego | fuck |
| 23:41.02 | asuffield | it's pretty trivial if you just want to treat it as a giant CD |
| 23:41.15 | asuffield | but the cdrecord upstream author wants to sell dvd crap, so cdrecord is crippled |
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| 23:41.28 | peterS | yeah, I know about joerg and his commercial cdrecord offshoot |
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| 23:42.03 | paulswm | cafuego: you got a memory leak or just not much memory? |
| 23:42.04 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: I tried using "play" to see if I get different results, but no dice. |
| 23:42.05 | asuffield | (the various dvd tools can do more stuff than just treating it as a very large CD) |
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| 23:42.29 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: I've also tried a whole bunch of differend media to see if that's a factor, but it doesn't seem to make any difference :( |
| 23:42.30 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : Is this a really low-spec system? Is it an ISA SB16 or something? Getting "chunks" of sound suggests that shit is not kosher. |
| 23:42.40 | cafuego | Yes, coz being limited to a 2GB file on a DVD would be poo. |
| 23:42.44 | fran | asuffield: so.. what do you recommend to record dvds? |
| 23:42.45 | SammyTheSnake | "shit is not kosher" you're such a poet ;) |
| 23:42.49 | ChickenBoy | Where to put the postfix sasl config file? |
| 23:42.53 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: it's a dual celeron 500 |
| 23:43.15 | ChickenBoy | I get the error msg "fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms" |
| 23:43.20 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: I'm sure I had it working years ago when I last cared about sound output from this particular box, but I've rebuilt / upgraded / rebuilt / etc. |
| 23:43.24 | nSe | hmmm... i need windows help, what can i do? |
| 23:43.26 | ChickenBoy | using debian sarge |
| 23:43.31 | cafuego | ChickenBoy: google is your friend. |
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| 23:43.39 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : I suggest shuffling your slots around and/or using esd instead of direct output to sound card to try to get some buffering going on. |
| 23:43.41 | cafuego | ChickenBoy: debian sarge postfix sasl2 |
| 23:43.42 | Guerin | ChickenBoy: read http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 23:43.44 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : Sure sounds like resource contention, eh? |
| 23:43.48 | gravity | nSe: Go somewhere else |
| 23:44.01 | Guerin | nSe: hire a glazier |
| 23:44.02 | paulswm | nSe: call Microsoft? |
| 23:44.30 | peterS | maybe microsoft has their official irc support channel listed on their website somewhere, like debian does |
| 23:44.33 | paulswm | heh sometimes we're a fund of unhelpful advice |
| 23:44.37 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: how would I go about sorting that? isapnp, maybe? |
| 23:44.45 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : Is it ISA or PCI? |
| 23:44.45 | BadMan | nSe: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:44.48 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: I'm not sure it's a pnp card :s |
| 23:44.56 | Guerin | peterS: #m$-0day on dalnet :) |
| 23:44.57 | peterS | SammyTheSnake: so it's old ISA kit? |
| 23:44.57 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: ISA |
| 23:45.00 | paulswm | !prize BadMan |
| 23:45.10 | BadMan | thanks paulswm |
| 23:45.14 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : You're entering a world of fucking pain. Your life would be easier if it WEREN'T pnp. Meaning it probably is. |
| 23:45.17 | ChickenBoy | Guerin: that looks good, big thx! |
| 23:45.17 | peterS | SammyTheSnake: well, 'apt-get install isapnptools' and then run 'pnpdump'. that'll tell you if it's pnp or not |
| 23:45.19 | marcel__ | aprospros evilwm! someone uses BdWM? |
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| 23:45.27 | SammyTheSnake | peterS: just had a look, I think it *is* pnp after all |
| 23:45.31 | Guerin | ChickenBoy: never try to attack sasl without a good howto. |
| 23:45.34 | peterS | pipeline: nah, pnp is supported just fine by all recent kernels |
| 23:45.39 | pipeline | SammyTheSnake : Cry, breathe deeply, and start praying |
| 23:45.50 | Nostromo^ | what is VSZ and what is RSS in ps? i can't find a good explanation for it.. |
| 23:46.00 | pipeline | peterS : Because that makes it less horrible? :P |
| 23:46.03 | Guerin | Nostromo^: i believe man ps details them |
| 23:46.11 | peterS | Nostromo^: VSZ == size of virtual memory used. RSS == amount of memory actually occupied (not in swap or elsewhere) |
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| 23:46.17 | SammyTheSnake | man pnp *dump* isn't misnamed ;) |
| 23:46.32 | peterS | SammyTheSnake: hehe |
| 23:46.32 | ChickenBoy | Guerin: Yeah, a _good_ howto. The one I got was not debian orientated, more generally with compiling postfix etc... |
| 23:46.33 | paulswm | I thought I was the only one who fixed stuff by crying and praying |
| 23:46.44 | Nostromo^ | peters, thanks! |
| 23:46.54 | Guerin | ChickenBoy: yeah. When I first did it I used a freebsd howto :) |
| 23:47.20 | peterS | Nostromo^: RSS stands for 'resident set size'. resident set == memory swapped *in* |
| 23:47.38 | Guerin | man, I'm losing my voice |
| 23:47.39 | helix | I'm so glad I looked for context |
| 23:47.48 | helix | I know you're blog-ignorant, but that seemed overboard :P |
| 23:48.00 | Guerin | i sound like a 70 year-old smoker |
| 23:48.10 | Guerin | helix: blognorant? |
| 23:48.10 | helix | Guerin: good thing you're a fast type! |
| 23:48.12 | helix | typer too |
| 23:48.17 | helix | word to blognorance |
| 23:48.25 | helix | it's like ignorant and ignoring at the same time! |
| 23:48.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:48.36 | directhex | !blogsmite Guerin |
| 23:48.36 | peterS | 'blogorance' is not even one step above 'blogosphere' |
| 23:48.42 | Guerin | ignorance of other peoples' narcissism, I thought |
| 23:48.46 | directhex | :( curse you dpkg |
| 23:49.20 | paulswm | !blame blogs |
| 23:49.31 | Guerin | helix: i may be a fast typer, but that don't help the 5 classes of middle school boys I have to teach today |
| 23:49.34 | Nostromo^ | peterS, do you know if the VSZ/RSS include the libraries something is linked against? for example im viewing a sleeping perl process and it takes 6mb VSZ and about 3mb RSS. im wondering if for example the link it has against glibc is a part of those 3mb.. |
| 23:49.41 | helix | sign language |
| 23:49.57 | peterS | Nostromo^: I'm not sure how shared libraries are accounted. I think they're included, though, yes |
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| 23:50.12 | calljair | hello guys |
| 23:50.18 | Guerin | i prefer "push play on the cd and let technology teach for me" |
| 23:50.22 | Nostromo^ | peters, alrighty, thanks again :) |
| 23:50.25 | paulswm | Guerin: Give them tests :P |
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| 23:50.45 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:50.54 | calljair | I don't know what debian flavor I should install? |
| 23:50.55 | Guerin | that'd mean I had to write tests |
| 23:51.01 | Guerin | calljair: sarge |
| 23:51.04 | paulswm | Then all you have to say is "Stop writing" |
| 23:51.05 | peterS | Guerin: I've seen a choir director with no voice try to conduct. the class worked but was a bit clumsy |
| 23:51.10 | BadMan | calljair: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:51.14 | calljair | sarge? woody? or Sid? |
| 23:51.30 | BadMan | sarge sarge sarge |
| 23:51.33 | Guerin | peterS: heh, that would be fun. |
| 23:51.35 | calljair | Guerin, if I want to install a opengroupware on this machine |
| 23:51.37 | Shorty` | saaaaaaaaaaaaaarge |
| 23:51.38 | Shorty` | :P |
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| 23:51.48 | puter | How are the Debian ISOs organized? |
| 23:51.50 | Guerin | calljair: i don't know what that has to do with anything |
| 23:51.53 | calljair | Guerin, also I will be installing mysql server, or postgresql. |
| 23:52.05 | Shorty` | does the sarge installer boot from software arrays yet? |
| 23:52.08 | puter | Are packages in alphabetical order? or in order of install popularity? |
| 23:52.08 | Guerin | puter: most-used packages -> least used packages |
| 23:52.13 | Guerin | calljair: sarge |
| 23:52.19 | puter | Guerin, grazie |
| 23:52.21 | Shorty` | sarge |
| 23:52.23 | calljair | Guerin, and also I will be installing server stuff |
| 23:52.24 | Shorty` | *chant* |
| 23:52.30 | puter | *chant* |
| 23:52.32 | paulswm | SARGE |
| 23:52.40 | vitriol | is there a specific kernel optimized for laptops that i can install? |
| 23:52.41 | calljair | I have a cd call netinst from the debian web site |
| 23:52.45 | Shorty` | calljair: if you're installing * get sarge. |
| 23:52.51 | calljair | ok |
| 23:52.52 | calljair | cool |
| 23:52.56 | calljair | I will go with sarge then |
| 23:52.58 | Guerin | calljair: if it's going immediately into service as a production box, woody might be an option; but at this stage sarge is probably your best bet. |
| 23:53.08 | calljair | where can I get the installer images |
| 23:53.08 | paulswm | calljair: the netinst is the one you want for sarge |
| 23:53.16 | Guerin | calljair: scroll back up |
| 23:53.23 | citral | mmm someone know how to create the .dat file associated to a text fortune file? |
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| 23:53.40 | peterS | citral: UTSL (: |
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| 23:53.50 | directhex | !d-i calljair |
| 23:53.52 | dpkg | calljair, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 23:54.52 | calljair | Guerin, so what candidate I should get |
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| 23:55.02 | calljair | this will be working on a organization |
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| 23:55.17 | calljair | Guerin, I want to have a very stable box |
| 23:55.21 | Avantopia | mcg? |
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| 23:55.34 | BadMan | calljair: what proccesor doy ou have? |
| 23:55.35 | calljair | where all i will need to do is run apt-get update and do not have to much problems |
| 23:55.37 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 23:55.37 | Avantopia | mcg, wireless connectivity is now automated... |
| 23:55.44 | sobersabre | nis woes!!! |
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| 23:55.55 | Guerin | calljair: get rc3 |
| 23:56.03 | Avantopia | How do I solve a race condition at boot... DHCP runs before PCMCIA services... I need to reverse that. |
| 23:56.04 | calljair | BadMan, I have a pentium 3 733Mhz |
| 23:56.04 | Avantopia | ? |
| 23:56.21 | sobersabre | rh9 server, clients: sarge, rh9, suse 9.2, rh7.2 |
| 23:56.32 | sobersabre | clients stopped authenticating! |
| 23:56.34 | BadMan | calljair: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:56.47 | calljair | BadMan, cool |
| 23:56.47 | maher | Avantopia: change the order in /etc/rc?.d, or better fix your network setup - e.g. use ifplugd |
| 23:57.10 | sobersabre | "ypmatch user passwd" gives shell: /dev/null |
| 23:57.10 | Avantopia | are there any tutorials on how to manage profiles for different wireless networks that use different essids and keys? |
| 23:57.13 | mcg | Avantopia: Try removing the "auto eth2" line and see if hotplug takes care of running "ifup eth2" when the card is inserted/detected at boot. |
| 23:57.30 | Avantopia | mcg, hehe. |
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| 23:57.34 | Avantopia | I just have to laugh |
| 23:57.38 | sobersabre | help!!! |
| 23:57.40 | Avantopia | I am totally struggling with this. |
| 23:58.00 | Avantopia | I can't believe so much effort goes into this setup. |
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| 23:58.22 | calljair | BadMan, thank you |
| 23:58.32 | BadMan | calljair: yw |
| 23:58.39 | helix | Avantopia: well, your problems don't seem to be standard, fwiw; I have basically the same setup on a laptop and no problems |
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| 23:58.52 | calljair | BadMan, have you ever installed apache on sarge? |
| 23:58.58 | mcg | Avantopia: Well, it ain't unlikely there's some PCMCIA-Debian-HowTo around... |
| 23:59.03 | Avantopia | Gentoo v1.2 wireless "Just Worked" and then the F'd it up. But at least I can depend on Debian Wireless ... if this GNOME issue gets resolved I will be good. GNOME freezes when I have my pcmcia wifi card inserted. |
| 23:59.05 | calljair | BadMan, I will need to get a how-to for debian and apache |
| 23:59.09 | calljair | :) |
| 23:59.20 | BadMan | if you select it during the install for 'server" it will beinstaleld and its apache2 with default ssl support |
| 23:59.32 | calljair | BadMan, I am kind of newbie but I has been playing with debian for a while |
| 23:59.49 | *** part/#debian JoshH (~JoshH@firebat.aros.net) |
| 23:59.52 | vitriol | anybody know what X driver works best for 82852/855GM intel cards? i'm using VESA right now.... |
| 23:59.53 | BadMan | I am positively new to debian myself but have used other linux distros.. love apt-get |
| 23:59.53 | calljair | BadMan, it is a documentation about that? |
| 23:59.53 | helix | sobersabre: did I fix your problem? |
