| 00:00.10 | sobersabre | no |
| 00:00.10 | sobersabre | :) |
| 00:00.10 | calljair | BadMan, I love it too. |
| 00:00.12 | calljair | BadMan, very versitile |
| 00:00.14 | Guerin | huzzah, my second, more sarcastic, email got a clear and coherent response detailing precisely what I need to do to get a refund on my plane tickets |
| 00:00.17 | cafuego | Woo! new personal best! |
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| 00:00.31 | Avantopia | must reboot |
| 00:00.33 | Avantopia | bbiaf |
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| 00:00.50 | cafuego | With a sysload of 467 and 1.5GB of swap in use, oom-killer started to kill shit. |
| 00:00.53 | peterS | Guerin: and people say whining never works (: |
| 00:00.53 | Frederick | does anyone here uses Eterm + a theme? Ive installed one on mine but I cant move the term window after using it |
| 00:00.55 | paulswm | I thought it was great the way helix immediately jumped in and helped |
| 00:01.03 | sobersabre | hehe |
| 00:01.05 | BadMan | when you get yoru install done do apt-get update get all the ifno on the packages, then do apt-cache search apache2 |
| 00:01.08 | peterS | paulswm: she's nothing if not committed |
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| 00:01.17 | sobersabre | paulswm, he said he did. |
| 00:01.32 | calljair | BadMan, ok |
| 00:01.40 | BadMan | when thats done and you are ready to isntall apache2 write out a big line of apache2 items you want instaleld, will make man pages etc for it |
| 00:01.42 | paulswm | sobersabre: helix != 'he' |
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| 00:01.52 | peterS | paulswm: maybe sobersabre meant 'he*' |
| 00:01.52 | sobersabre | paulswm, ok, he said she did |
| 00:01.58 | helix | haha |
| 00:01.59 | paulswm | HAH |
| 00:01.59 | calljair | BadMan, then I will need to have a static ip address ready? |
| 00:02.00 | Phated | Shelix? :) |
| 00:02.00 | Guerin | peterS: heh |
| 00:02.16 | peterS | Phated: that one was thought of and discarded long ago (: |
| 00:02.16 | BadMan | calljair: no you can use items such as dyndns.org etc... |
| 00:02.22 | Guerin | Phated: sounds like a new distro |
| 00:02.29 | Phated | peterS: Ah. |
| 00:02.30 | cafuego | peterS: Perhaps time to revisit. |
| 00:02.34 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. |
| 00:02.40 | peterS | Guerin: a distro featuring lots of versions of bash, zsh, tcsh, etc.? |
| 00:02.46 | calljair | BadMan, but If I set it up for the first time using a computer with a dhcp ip . |
| 00:02.52 | Phated | And pretty colours. |
| 00:03.03 | peterS | then again, that'd probably be called shellix |
| 00:03.04 | calljair | BadMan, will be not problem to test it right? |
| 00:03.15 | helix | hip hop hooray |
| 00:03.18 | cafuego | peterS: That may lead to brand dilution lawsuits. |
| 00:03.19 | Guerin | peterS: i was thinking one specifically designed for mashing out lots of php quickly... |
| 00:03.21 | calljair | I have the CD rc2 of the sarge netinst |
| 00:03.28 | cafuego | helix: yo yo yo! |
| 00:03.30 | helix | sobersabre: I don't know what problems you were having with debian, but if you can restate them maybe someone here can help |
| 00:03.31 | BadMan | you can just connect http://127.0.0.1 from a browser on the same comp and check it out |
| 00:03.46 | peterS | Guerin: oh, right. that, and integrating the php with xbase |
| 00:03.47 | asuffield | 'shelix'? is that like 'shemale'? |
| 00:04.12 | calljair | BadMan, cool |
| 00:04.18 | sobersabre | the problem is: RH9 ypserv is serving debian ypbind. cannot authenticate. |
| 00:04.23 | calljair | BadMan, that is great! |
| 00:04.29 | peterS | asuffield: only if you think 'felix' is like 'female', I guess |
| 00:04.35 | sobersabre | and it is most probably versions mystmatch |
| 00:04.36 | paulswm | asuffield: that would be /msg dpkg qotd103 |
| 00:04.39 | cafuego | sobersabre: No, the problem is: RH9 |
| 00:04.47 | calljair | BadMan, and do you know if I can run Php scripts and cgi as well? |
| 00:04.49 | peterS | sobersabre: I'd guess it's an issue on the RH server, not on the debian client |
| 00:05.07 | peterS | sobersabre: not because of the OS, but because the problem is usually on the server |
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| 00:05.43 | sobersabre | I'd guess I need a solution, I cannot reinstall nfs/nis with a software raid, because people work with the data |
| 00:05.45 | BadMan | calljair: as long as you get the module support for it |
| 00:06.00 | sobersabre | so i need to fix it. |
| 00:06.08 | paulswm | I haven't lived in the UK for a long time, but Eurovision was so crap, now it's good enough to buy CDs of it? |
| 00:06.13 | peterS | sobersabre: well, as I said, I bet it's an issue on the server, not on the client. we probably can't help you much with RH nis server conf |
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| 00:06.54 | peterS | sobersabre: well, maybe helix can help. she helped you before, after all. but I doubt the rest of us know much about it |
| 00:06.58 | sobersabre | ... usually common sense and non-stereotyped thought is all that is needed. |
| 00:07.06 | sobersabre | :) |
| 00:07.06 | Avantopia | this is BSSSSS |
| 00:07.09 | Avantopia | GNOME is broken when I plug in my PCMCIA card |
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| 00:07.11 | Avantopia | wifi |
| 00:07.14 | Avantopia | WTF? |
| 00:07.24 | sobersabre | Avantopia, it is not gnome. |
| 00:07.33 | peterS | sobersabre: I remember from past experience looking at someone's RH NIS problems in here that they do things somewhat differently to how debian does |
| 00:07.34 | Avantopia | sobersabre, what is causing this? |
| 00:07.36 | paulswm | is it the dreaded hotplug |
| 00:07.44 | helix | I don't think I can help |
| 00:07.55 | sobersabre | i think so. |
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| 00:08.00 | peterS | that's disappointing, I bet |
| 00:08.03 | helix | but I disagree. how will we compromise? |
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| 00:08.15 | Avantopia | can anyone help me find the cause? |
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| 00:08.24 | helix | Avantopia: have you tried using a different wm? :) |
| 00:08.35 | deadcat | Avantopia: give up wireless or gnome. (= |
| 00:08.38 | Avantopia | helix, I don't have time for a different WM. |
| 00:08.41 | paulswm | plug it in before boot |
| 00:08.45 | helix | ok |
| 00:08.45 | Avantopia | deadcat, screw that. |
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| 00:08.54 | gravity | Avantopia: How does gnome break when you insert your card? |
| 00:08.55 | mcg | Avantopia: Does everything work as expected when gnome isn't running? |
| 00:08.56 | helix | I guess reinstalling gentoo could be faster |
| 00:09.04 | Avantopia | I am pissed... what happened to the quality of the new GNU/Linux distros? |
| 00:09.05 | Simplexe | hi , i wanna ask if in the netinst cd for debian woody i can find Gcc ?? |
| 00:09.06 | gravity | Avantopia: Gnome shouldn't care about your card at all |
| 00:09.16 | helix | Avantopia: as I said, your situation is sort of abnormal |
| 00:09.17 | peterS | gravity: well, unless HAL is poking its fingers into hotplug |
| 00:09.21 | deadcat | Avantopia: none |
| 00:09.25 | dsl562 | ok i know this is an RTFM-generating question, but i'm gonna try anyway ... what do i need to know about servers in order to get my apt-gets working? I sometimes cant find a package that most probably should exist |
| 00:09.27 | gravity | peterS: Shouldn't touch gnome as a whole though |
| 00:09.28 | Avantopia | I mean so far Debian is amazing... but there are some bad bugs. |
| 00:09.31 | peterS | gravity: you'd think |
| 00:09.35 | maher | Avantopia: file a bug |
| 00:09.39 | gravity | peterS: How would it work? |
| 00:09.40 | pipeline | dsl562 : You probably need "non-free" and "contrib" entries in your sources.list |
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| 00:09.40 | calljair | BadMan, that will be probably on the google, information about the modules for cgi and php scripts on apache 2.0 |
| 00:09.42 | deadcat | Avantopia: debian is NOT amazing |
| 00:09.46 | sobersabre | Simplexe, no. |
| 00:09.49 | Avantopia | gravity, if I stop cardmgr then GNOME is okay. |
| 00:09.50 | helix | "file a bug" is such unhelpful advice when people don't know what the problem is |
| 00:09.51 | gravity | Avantopia: How does gnome actually break? No one can help if you don't say what happened |
| 00:09.53 | deadcat | Avantopia: i bitch about it everyday |
| 00:09.56 | peterS | gravity: I don't pretend to understand either hal, hal's interaction with gnome, or hotplug |
| 00:10.16 | gravity | peterS: hal's interaction really ends with gnome-volume-manager |
| 00:10.16 | maher | Avantopia: helix: look in the logs then :) |
| 00:10.18 | calljair | BadMan, so I should install using server option instead other options? |
| 00:10.29 | paulswm | !qotd47 |
| 00:10.29 | dpkg | methinks qotd47 is <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
| 00:10.36 | Avantopia | gravity, when I log into GNOME with gdm after I have my pcmcia 802.11b prism card inserted GNOME doesn't move past the debian splash |
| 00:10.39 | calljair | and then I can use a wm for the server? |
| 00:10.48 | peterS | gravity: gnome doesn't have some sort of network device manager, then, analogous to the volume-manager? |
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| 00:10.59 | zinx | Avantopia: it's probably trying to do something with the notwork, and failing |
| 00:11.01 | calljair | BadMan, I can use kde or maybe blackbox which is lighter |
| 00:11.07 | helix | it has a wireless applet to let you know how much strength signal there is |
| 00:11.09 | Guerin | !seen g4lt |
| 00:11.11 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 173d 23h 34m 29s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 00:11.13 | zinx | Avantopia: check which programs are in your session |
| 00:11.15 | gravity | Avantopia: I think zinx is probably right. At what point in the splash does it break? |
| 00:11.25 | gravity | peterS: What do you mean? |
| 00:11.31 | calljair | BadMan, or any other lighweight wm |
| 00:11.42 | p2-mate | helix: iwconfig tells you that as well |
| 00:11.46 | peterS | gravity: you said gnome-volume-manager is the only thing that uses hal. I wondered if there was an equivalent app for network devices that might also use hal |
| 00:11.52 | Avantopia | gravity, immediately |
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| 00:11.56 | calljair | what is the name of the windows manager that have a little mouse? |
| 00:11.57 | helix | p2-mate: is that in gnome? |
| 00:11.59 | calljair | as a logo? |
| 00:12.02 | Guerin | calljair: xfce |
| 00:12.06 | calljair | thanks |
| 00:12.07 | Avantopia | gravity, nautilus, or others never load |
| 00:12.08 | helix | we're talking about gnome stuff here |
| 00:12.08 | gravity | peterS: That wouldn't really make sense. Hal is limited to the local machine |
| 00:12.09 | p2-mate | helix: it's part of wireless-tools |
| 00:12.14 | BadMan | calljair: those otpion are upto you what ever you feel comfortable with I run KDE but I run a personal webserver with no outisde access |
| 00:12.24 | cafuego | peterS: I'm pretty sure there is in Ubuntus gnome version |
| 00:12.30 | gravity | hrm |
| 00:12.38 | peterS | gravity: by network devices I don't mean remote filesytems or whatever, I mean interface cards |
| 00:12.47 | calljair | ohhh |
| 00:12.50 | p2-mate | helix: no idea. I'm migrating away from gnome |
| 00:12.50 | calljair | ok BadMan |
| 00:12.50 | cafuego | peterS: specifically a wifi appletty monitor thingie |
| 00:13.01 | gravity | peterS: Oh, ok. No, that's not part of gnome. That's why discover et al exist after all |
| 00:13.04 | peterS | cafuego: right. helix mentioned that. I'm thinking that probably doesn't use hal, though |
| 00:13.04 | Avantopia | gravity, how do I find the source of the issue? |
| 00:13.04 | calljair | but I will be running a webserver for the whole organization |
| 00:13.05 | helix | p2-mate: well, I don't use it either, but that's what they're all talking about :) |
| 00:13.07 | gravity | peterS: hal is aware of them but not much more |
| 00:13.14 | calljair | BadMan, that will be my organization web site |
| 00:13.15 | Avantopia | is it cardmgr+gnome? |
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| 00:13.31 | zinx | Avantopia: more likely network+gnome |
| 00:13.35 | cafuego | peterS: Not certain, not had the time to really look into it yet. |
| 00:13.36 | BadMan | calljair: an internal lan? no need for net access? sure isntall a gui if you want... |
| 00:13.37 | gravity | Avantopia: I'm guessing so. I have no experience with cardmgr myself to know, sorry |
| 00:13.38 | calljair | BadMan, normally administrators do not use gui interface on this servers right? |
| 00:13.48 | sobersabre | Avantopia, can u look at /proc/interrupts |
| 00:13.50 | BadMan | no normal they dont |
| 00:13.56 | p2-mate | it's disturbing to notice a 166Mhz 603e is as usable under ion3 then a 2Ghz P4 under gnome... |
| 00:14.00 | sybariten | or, let me put it like this: is there a simple answer to what i should have in my sources.list or are those things distro-specific ? |
| 00:14.00 | Avantopia | zinx, so what went wrong with my network? people have checked my /etc/network/interfaces file... it was okay... |
| 00:14.03 | calljair | ohh ok |
| 00:14.04 | maher | Avantopia: why not turn gnome off for a bit and see if things work without it |
| 00:14.09 | sobersabre | i think graphic card may use same interrupt with the cardmgr/card |
| 00:14.14 | zinx | Avantopia: however, if more than gnome hangs, it'd be your drivers :) |
| 00:14.17 | peterS | p2-mate: nothing wrong with a 603e (: |
| 00:14.23 | calljair | BadMan, to host the web site should I need a very strong computer? |
| 00:14.26 | p2-mate | peterS: no :) |
| 00:14.31 | calljair | BadMan, a server? |
| 00:14.38 | peterS | actually I don't have anything older than a 604e |
| 00:14.39 | calljair | BadMan, or I can use a good desktop |
| 00:14.43 | p2-mate | peterS: certainly not if it's inside a TP860 :) |
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| 00:14.53 | calljair | BadMan, I have a fractional T-1 |
| 00:14.59 | Guerin | BadMan: you need to do some research into running said server |
| 00:15.01 | Guerin | eh |
| 00:15.03 | Guerin | calljair: |
| 00:15.13 | calljair | Guerin, yes |
| 00:15.14 | paster | "Avantopia" at 66.212.64.234 pasted "/proc/interrupts" (14 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/383 |
| 00:15.18 | sobersabre | Avantopia, |
| 00:15.20 | maher | calljair: if you're serving static pages you might need a p100 |
| 00:15.22 | calljair | Guerin, any good place to start? |
| 00:15.24 | Avantopia | yes? |
| 00:15.35 | Guerin | calljair: google is probably the best bet. |
| 00:15.47 | Avantopia | zinx, boot into single user mode? run KDE? |
| 00:15.52 | p2-mate | peterS: I have a 601 based machine as well |
| 00:15.58 | peterS | Avantopia: nothing wrong with that /proc/interrupts but I'm a little surprised it isn't using an APIC |
| 00:16.05 | Guerin | calljair: for starters: ram is more important than anything for most webserver tasks |
| 00:16.09 | calljair | maher, p100? |
| 00:16.13 | Avantopia | peterS, how do I make it use APIC? |
| 00:16.17 | abrotman | Avantopia: irq 9 looks popular |
| 00:16.17 | calljair | Guerin, cool |
| 00:16.19 | zinx | Avantopia: single user mode would be good.. you may need interrupt 3/4 in the excludes list too |
| 00:16.22 | maher | Avantopia: ctrl-alt f2 for a console, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 00:16.26 | peterS | Avantopia: debian kernels should use it by default. I wonder why yours doesn't |
| 00:16.26 | zinx | Avantopia: that's not needed on all machines, though |
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| 00:16.38 | calljair | I will get a P4 with 1GB memory ram |
| 00:16.47 | maher | calljair: that shoudl suffice |
| 00:16.47 | Avantopia | zinx, I need to fix APIC? |
| 00:16.53 | BadMan | more than |
| 00:17.05 | peterS | Avantopia: probably not, I'm probably mistaken about your machine class |
| 00:17.06 | calljair | and I will be only running 1 web site |
| 00:17.08 | zinx | Avantopia: you're not using apic, and it's using interrupt 3, which is also a COM port in many cases |
| 00:17.10 | nvz | mcg: well that crashed kmahjongg too, convert -geometry 360x280, generated a 360x249 file |
| 00:17.20 | calljair | eventually, mysql for that web site and ftp server |
| 00:17.21 | zinx | Avantopia: that'll cause a major conflict if it is |
| 00:17.23 | peterS | zinx: a good job he doesn't have the serial driver loaded (: |
| 00:17.31 | zinx | peterS: it doesn't have to be loaded |
| 00:17.36 | mcg | nvz: Did you use "-geometry 360x280" or "-geometry 360x280!"? |
| 00:17.42 | nvz | ah |
| 00:17.44 | sobersabre | guys what gigabit NICs can u suggest ? i need jumbo frames and stability |
| 00:17.45 | Guerin | calljair: that should easily be able to handle hundreds of concurrent users |
| 00:17.46 | Avantopia | zinx, what will cause a major conflict? |
| 00:17.46 | calljair | also I will be running the cgi and php scripts |
| 00:17.49 | cafuego | calljair: Why would you do that? |
| 00:17.52 | sobersabre | and PCI-X |
| 00:17.52 | p2-mate | sobersabre: e1000 |
| 00:17.55 | Avantopia | zinx, what kind of conflict? |
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| 00:17.59 | Cyanophytes | anyone interested in helping me test my dialup server? |
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| 00:18.04 | zinx | Avantopia: having hardware on IRQ 3 in some machines. an interrupt conflict. |
| 00:18.05 | calljair | cafuego, what do you mean? |
| 00:18.10 | sobersabre | is there e1000 pci-x |
| 00:18.10 | hlp | does anyone know how should i configure an external monitor with my laptop? i'm using xfree, and i can't seem to figure it out... :/ |
| 00:18.17 | cafuego | calljair: An AMD64 is going to be 1) cheaper and 2) faster |
| 00:18.19 | p2-mate | sobersabre: I would hope so |
| 00:18.25 | abrotman | hlp: hit the monitor key |
| 00:18.25 | peterS | sobersabre: they all work, from what I hear. anything tg3-based is pretty well supported, and you can't go too far wrong with e1000 |
| 00:18.26 | Guerin | hlp: plugging into the vga port? |
| 00:18.41 | p2-mate | e1000 tends to have better drivers IMO |
| 00:18.46 | sobersabre | hlp, u need to shutdown the laptop 1st |
| 00:18.52 | calljair | cafuego, a P4 1GB is what I have |
| 00:18.52 | sobersabre | then plug the monitor |
| 00:18.53 | Avantopia | zinx, so I am using IRQ 3? |
| 00:18.57 | Guerin | hlp: you may need to reboot - the port may be switched by bios on boot |
| 00:19.00 | zinx | Avantopia: pull up /etc/pcmcia/config.opts |
| 00:19.00 | michal_ | hi. I'm trying to research whether I will have networking support on a Debian Sarge install for a Sun QFE x1034a quad port ethernet card. I believe if it works at all on x86 it will use the hme driver. I have been unable to find any useful information googling though :/ |
| 00:19.01 | calljair | I can not purchase more things |
| 00:19.01 | p2-mate | the intel people are good at contributing code for their chip |
| 00:19.13 | nvz | mcg: that works :P |
| 00:19.24 | sobersabre | peterS, i have now a bcm5721 and IT SUX!!!! |
| 00:19.25 | abrotman | p4 1gb? |
| 00:19.25 | zinx | Avantopia: uncomment the lines w/ exclude irq 3 and exclude irq 4 |
| 00:19.31 | sobersabre | and it is onboard |
| 00:19.40 | sobersabre | it doesn't support jumbo frames! |
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| 00:20.00 | hlp | Guerin no that is not the real problem, i get the picture at any time... but on keyboard i have a butotn to switch full power out to the vga port. when i dont' do this i cna't view movies, and if there is heavy load on cpu, the screen is flickering... the pciture is bad ... |
| 00:20.01 | abrotman | sobersabre: did you try the broadcom drivers? |
| 00:20.07 | zinx | Avantopia: you may want to exclude some other things -- googling for the model of your laptop and linux in the same query, and looking for pcmcia stuff would be a good idea. |
| 00:20.15 | michal_ | sobersabre: most gigabit switches don't seem to support jumbo frames.. unless it's a feature they no longer mention in the specs |
| 00:20.21 | nvz | now, the tricky part is going to be converting the layouts so I can convert the theme files. layouts on eGames Mahjong Master 4, are one long binary list, and in kmahjongg they are separated into layers of what I guess is octal bitmaps |
| 00:20.30 | Avantopia | zinx, these lines are already uncommented. |
| 00:20.36 | Guerin | hlp: hrm, that's weird. vga out should be just like display on the built-in screen |
| 00:20.37 | sobersabre | abrotman, i got broadcom support response: we support jumbo frames only on 570x |
| 00:20.39 | abrotman | nvz: primanti bros! |
| 00:20.45 | Guerin | only on another screen |
| 00:20.46 | peterS | michal_: there's 'sunhme' and 'sunqe'. I think the latter is probably what you want |
| 00:20.54 | abrotman | sobersabre: tell them thier drivers suck ass |
| 00:20.55 | mcg | Avantopia: Does networking work? If running "dhclient eth2" set it all up correctly in the past, hardware should be fine. |
| 00:21.00 | geertn | hi all, I can't seem to get IRQ load balancing to work, can anyone point me to possible causes? Trying to get the e1000 interrupts to get balanced. I'm using io-apic, kernel 2.6.11ac5 |
| 00:21.05 | nvz | abrotman: wtf does that have to do with the layout of mahjongg tiles in china? |
| 00:21.07 | michal_ | peters: ahh. didn't see that mentioned in all my searches |
| 00:21.08 | abrotman | michal_: reading the actual driver files might help |
| 00:21.10 | abrotman | nvz: primanti bros! |
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| 00:21.13 | calljair | Guerin, so normally if I will be running things like a database when people get into the web site, also an email form using cgi or php scripts. |
| 00:21.16 | peterS | michal_: actually I take that back, it doesn't seem as likely as it did a moment ago |
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| 00:21.33 | calljair | Guerin, I can still doing it with the computer I mentioned? |
| 00:21.35 | sobersabre | michal_, i think layer 2 switch does not need to know "mumbo-jumbo": it looks at minimal MTU and works at it... |
| 00:21.44 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 00:21.47 | zinx | Avantopia: ehhhhh exclude irq 3 is uncommented and it's still using IRQ 3?!??!?! |
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| 00:21.55 | abrotman | nvz: but now you can get good perogies! |
| 00:21.55 | zinx | Avantopia: something is _HORRIBLY_ wrong with your system. |
| 00:21.57 | p2-mate | sobersabre: it does need to know. at least it needs to have buffers to cope with largers frame |
| 00:22.02 | p2-mate | sobersabre: it does need to know. at least it needs to have buffers to cope with larger frames |
| 00:22.11 | Avantopia | mcg, right... but now that I changed my /etc/network/interfaces file to be 'valid' I have this issue with my pcmcia card being inserted and gnome locking up. |
| 00:22.21 | nvz | abrotman: Oh boy.. I've lived here all my live and never desired a pirogie |
| 00:22.24 | Guerin | calljair: yeah. If it's actually going to be important (user logins, orders, etc.) you probably want to look at some redundancy - power, data, another server to fall back on ... etc. |
| 00:22.27 | nvz | s/live/life/ |
| 00:22.29 | Avantopia | zinx, I missed that, I just uncommented #exclude irq 3 |
| 00:22.31 | michal_ | peters: are you looking at the code locally or on a website? |
| 00:22.32 | Avantopia | zinx, thx |
| 00:22.37 | sobersabre | p2-mate, true, but larger frame - smaller queue, less transmissions.... |
| 00:22.40 | Guerin | calljair: ideally you'd hire a competent webmaster... |
| 00:22.43 | peterS | michal_: ahh yes. I'm reading the sunhme code and it looks like it supports the QFE |
| 00:22.53 | Avantopia | I need to reboot to test this? |
| 00:22.54 | peterS | michal_: let me dig just a bit further... |
| 00:22.56 | mcg | Avantopia: All right. Can you log in on a character terminal (try Ctrl-Alt-F2) and run "/sbin/route -n"? |
| 00:22.59 | hlp | Guerin it does, but it is not given full power.... like when i watch movies picture isn't displayed.... i do have the same thing in windows, but i can have a keypress to redirect all the power to monitor special funciton key + f3 (has a monitor picture on it). After i do that in windows it works absolutely fine... but in linux if i press the combination it just freezes |
| 00:23.07 | Avantopia | Is there something wrong with my /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 00:23.14 | abrotman | nvz: you're not really from pitt |
| 00:23.14 | Avantopia | I just removed 'auto eth2' |
| 00:23.20 | michal_ | peters: but under x86? support seems questionable if at all existant.. having been able to find any information from actual user experiences that's newer than 2003 |
| 00:23.20 | Avantopia | is that breaking things? |
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| 00:23.31 | Guerin | hlp: hrm, ugly. What video adapter/driver? |
| 00:23.31 | mcg | Avantopia: Nope, only status info. |
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| 00:23.38 | Avantopia | what about the race condition with pcmcia starting after dhclient? |
| 00:23.40 | hlp | Guerin radeon mobility m6 y6 |
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| 00:24.04 | p2-mate | sobersabre: anyway, I don't think 9000 byte frames make all that much sense |
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| 00:24.14 | Guerin | hlp: well, I know nothing much about ati's driver stuff |
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| 00:24.25 | hlp | s/y6/ly/ |
| 00:24.25 | mcg | Avantopia: If there's no "auto" line, ifupdown won't try to start the interface (before PCMCIA is started). |
| 00:24.32 | peterS | michal_: "This driver also supports the 'qfe' quad 100baseT device availalbe in both PCI and Sbus configurations...." |
| 00:24.35 | Guerin | hlp: it's always Just Worked for me, with vesa and so on - on a crappy old neomagic256 |
| 00:24.40 | calljair | Guerin, I have to become one |
| 00:24.52 | pipeline | michal_ : Uh, a Sun QFE x1034a is extremely expensive. Why would you be using one? |
| 00:24.56 | peterS | michal_: that's from the kernel config help screen. and the source code seems to bear that out. there's no indication that it's sparc-specific or sbus-specific |
| 00:24.56 | calljair | Guerin, have you ever download images using wget? |
| 00:24.56 | nvz | abrotman: I was born 10:19am, August 10th, 1983, Sewickley Valley Hospital, Sewickley, PA 15143. its about 10 miles northeast of the city |
| 00:24.57 | burd | I'm having trouble with qpopper-drac >> Failed to create /var/spool/pop/.burd.pop with uid 1002, gid 8. Change permissions.' could someone point me out how to fix this please |
| 00:25.03 | Guerin | calljair: buy a book from o'reilly |
| 00:25.13 | hlp | Guerin well, i thikn the problem with the 'power' becuase i get the picture regular, but it has some deffects and flickering... |
| 00:25.14 | calljair | Guerin, right |
| 00:25.14 | pipeline | michal_ : Sell the QFE and buy four Intel EE 100's on Ebay, turn 300$ of profit. |
| 00:25.14 | peterS | michal_: how *well* this driver works on x86, I have no idea |
| 00:25.14 | abrotman | nvz: i know where sewickley .. i had a friend from there .. orchard lane iirc |
| 00:25.21 | michal_ | pipeline: because i MAY be able to get it cheaper than any other quad port pci ethernet card |
| 00:25.36 | peterS | michal_: but it was written by dave miller who isn't exactly a moron about portability issues (or about anything), so. |
| 00:25.37 | pipeline | michal_ : Why would you want a quad port PCI ethernet card? |
| 00:25.47 | Guerin | hlp: that could be power, but it could also be a driver thing |
| 00:25.48 | calljair | Guerin, I want to download a image iso for the sarge net install, but I want to place it on a specific folder |
| 00:25.50 | michal_ | pipeline: i will only have 1 pci port |
| 00:25.58 | p2-mate | pipeline: because you want 4 interfaces ? :) |
| 00:25.59 | abrotman | nvz: perogie! |
| 00:26.00 | Guerin | calljair: go on, then |
| 00:26.04 | calljair | I will do the wget ........ |
| 00:26.18 | peterS | michal_: hmmm. "Tested only on x86 and only current works with QFE PCI cards." - about the non-sparc bits, from the changelog |
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| 00:26.27 | calljair | I need to run the wget command from the konsole as a user, |
| 00:26.38 | nichos | can anyone tell me where i can find the serial for my quake 3 install? Ive lost the CD |
| 00:26.41 | hlp | Guerin well, i take it if simlar things happen in windos, untill i press the magic combination.... it hsouldn't be the driver :/ |
| 00:26.41 | calljair | that will place the image file on the "user" home folder right? |
| 00:26.50 | michal_ | peters: and nowhere does it mention what features are supported or how well it works in comparsion to anything at all :P |
| 00:26.50 | pipeline | michal_ : uh... you're not going to get very good performance on one of those embedded jobbers and a QFE. I imagine they only have one PCI bus. The QFE alone would easily saturate a single PCI bus. |
| 00:26.52 | hlp | nichos is the quake3 still installed? |
| 00:26.59 | pipeline | michal_ : SPARC systems usually have multiple independent PCI busses. |
| 00:27.00 | peterS | michal_: indeed not |
| 00:27.05 | peterS | pipeline: he doesn't have a sparc system |
| 00:27.14 | nichos | hlp yes |
| 00:27.19 | green_earz | calljair: wget http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:27.23 | hlp | nichos try in console cl_cdkey and it should tell you the paramaters |
| 00:27.34 | Guerin | hlp: well, fair enough. I don't see how power usage would differ wildly from linux to windows, though. |
| 00:27.38 | p2-mate | pipeline: depends on you're expected load. if one of the interfaces goes to your internet link, chances are it will never need 100Mbps |
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| 00:27.40 | pipeline | michal_ , peterS : No, he has some kind of embedded system. And a QFE will bring it to a crawl. That's 400 mbps of network bandwidth, ignoring PCI, interrupt, etc overheads. |
| 00:27.48 | michal_ | pipeline: i want 4 ports on a 1 pci system that's significantly more powerful than (for example) a linksys wrt54g router |
| 00:27.55 | nvz | abrotman: Sewickley means Sweet Water, and there is an Orchard lane in every borough surrounding Sewickley.. for some random information |
| 00:28.10 | pipeline | michal_ : Well, a QFE is going to be about $400. You could build a frankenPIX for less than that. |
| 00:28.23 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. i found that out the hard way trying to get to her house :) |
| 00:28.23 | nichos | hlp i dont have that file anywhere around |
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| 00:28.42 | hlp | nichos open quake press tilda (~) and type in cl_cdkey |
| 00:28.43 | michal_ | pipeline: i don't expect doing 100mbit over more than one set of ports. ie 100mbit -> and (hopefully close to) 100mbit out |
| 00:28.51 | p2-mate | pipeline: their might be other reasons for wanting 4 ethernet interfaces then having 400Mbps of ethernet bandwidth |
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| 00:29.03 | hlp | nichos and press enter, and then copy down hte numbers |
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| 00:29.05 | michal_ | pipeline: we will see. i'll let you know tommorow :P |
| 00:29.06 | nichos | hlp ahh, hehe, i cant get quake to run, which is the reason for this whole mess. It hangs at sound init. |
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| 00:29.18 | burd | I'm having trouble with qpopper-drac >> Failed to create /var/spool/pop/.burd.pop with uid 1002, gid 8. Change permissions.' could someone point me out how to fix this please |
| 00:29.33 | BadMan | nichos: I had to runn OSS sound tog et quake tor un |
| 00:29.33 | hlp | nichos try killing your sound daemon |
| 00:29.34 | pipeline | p2-mate : michal has been in here before, several times, always working on his mega-super-ultra-gateway project :P |
| 00:29.35 | Rennegade | burd: chmod |
| 00:29.50 | burd | I have gone as far as chmod 777 and still nothing |
| 00:29.59 | tbird | is /usr/include/linux the default kernel directory ? |
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| 00:30.01 | michal_ | pipeline: the biggest problem is the quad port ethernet card :P and so far the sun qfe is the cheapest.. maybe |
| 00:30.03 | BadMan | nichos: yes I had to kill arts |
| 00:30.06 | peterS | tbird: not for kernel stuff |
| 00:30.14 | p88 | Hi what is the command to put the computer into standby/suspend? |
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| 00:30.20 | omirix | hello |
| 00:30.20 | peterS | tbird: /usr/include/linux/ is a directory you never even have to think about. it's used for compiling user programs |
| 00:30.23 | tbird | peterS: actually i wont to get a kernel from kernel.org |
| 00:30.24 | calljair | green_earz, but then where i will find the image? |
| 00:30.26 | p88 | hi omirix |
| 00:30.31 | omirix | Hey p88... |
| 00:30.35 | Guerin | p88: depends |
| 00:30.36 | calljair | green_earz, I am getting it using a regular user |
| 00:30.38 | omirix | I need to network install Windows XP. |
| 00:30.42 | calljair | user$ |
| 00:30.47 | Guerin | omirix: no, you don't. |
| 00:30.50 | p88 | Guerin: on what? |
| 00:30.51 | hlp | nichos either that, or if you just need a cdkey, you could try starting quake with etra paramters like +cl_cdkey .. and then just read it off the console |
| 00:30.52 | omirix | Okay.. Gentoo. |
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| 00:30.55 | tbird | can i put it in /usr/src |
| 00:30.56 | omirix | I mean Debian. |
| 00:30.59 | nichos | arts isnt running, neither is esd (im using fluxbox) |
| 00:31.03 | omirix | How to I access a computer to remote boot? |
| 00:31.05 | omirix | I have an iPod |
| 00:31.11 | omirix | and I need to install Debian from my iPod. |
| 00:31.13 | michal_ | pipeline: what's the pci bus bandwidth anyway? it can handle 100mbit -> one one port and 100mbit out on another even in an embedded system can't it? |
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| 00:31.14 | Guerin | p88: on your hardware, mostly. /msg dpkg acpi, apm |
| 00:31.24 | Guerin | omirix: haha |
| 00:31.31 | Guerin | omirix: you poor bastard |
| 00:31.36 | green_earz | calljair: that url is where the iso is > wget http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:31.37 | omirix | yea i know |
| 00:31.43 | omirix | i just need some help before tomorrow |
| 00:31.44 | peterS | michal_: PCI does 33 MHz and 32 bits per hertz. you do the math (: |
| 00:31.50 | Rennegade | omrix: um... good luck? |
| 00:31.52 | omirix | if anyone can help me, google didnt turn up any revelant results |
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| 00:31.59 | Guerin | omirix: go buy a cd-rw drive and a blank disc |
| 00:31.59 | pipeline | michal_ : PCI bus theoretical peak is 433 mbps |
| 00:32.05 | omirix | no cd drive... |
| 00:32.07 | pipeline | michal_ : Keep in mind that x86 is known for its slow interrupts |
| 00:32.07 | omirix | laptop |
| 00:32.13 | Guerin | omirix: floppy? |
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| 00:32.19 | green_earz | calljair: or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:32.23 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:32.23 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 00:32.24 | p88 | Guerin: nice, but what dpkg tells me about APM is really worth pretty little. ACPI has redirected me to a site which is (I hope) useful |
| 00:32.24 | omirix | nope.. |
| 00:32.27 | omirix | flash drive? |
| 00:32.28 | pipeline | michal_ : Every device you put on that bus, even low-bandwidth devices, bites that peak bandwidth by quite a lot |
| 00:32.29 | michal_ | pipeline: what if the drivers support DMA ? |
| 00:32.36 | abrotman | yay .. flashdrive works |
| 00:32.39 | Eclipser | is there a meta package to install all fonts? |
| 00:32.40 | nichos | hlp that doesnt print it, it must come after sound init |
| 00:32.40 | Guerin | flash drive can work, depends on the hardware |
| 00:32.41 | abrotman | if the system boots from usb |
| 00:32.49 | nvz | hmm if it were 3,840 I could take a guess at writing a parser for this file.. though I am only considering that these files can somehow directly translate to that of kmahjongg which has 4 layers of 32x15 |
| 00:32.49 | omirix | nice |
| 00:32.52 | omirix | can u explain how? |
| 00:32.56 | peterS | michal_: DMA is lovely but it doesn't affect total PCI bus bandwidth |
| 00:33.00 | abrotman | omirix: a whole howto is at debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 00:33.00 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:33.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:33.01 | pipeline | michal_ : On an embedded system with one PCI slot, everything on the motherboard is probably on the same PCI bus as that slot. |
| 00:33.02 | sybariten | anyonw know how cddb recognizes cds ? |
| 00:33.02 | aliasd | I LIVe iN a GIaNT BUCKeT |
| 00:33.03 | calljair | green_earz, I got it |
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| 00:33.14 | omirix | nice thanks |
| 00:33.16 | Guerin | omirix: best to get a debian install image and put it on a flash drive |
| 00:33.17 | abrotman | aliasd: wrong channel |
| 00:33.26 | omirix | is it 2 big? |
| 00:33.30 | nvz | sybariten: track length afaik |
| 00:33.30 | p2-mate | peterS: in a way it does as it generally leads to larger bursts which improve bus use |
| 00:33.33 | pipeline | michal_ : Also, the x1034a is a 64 bit card. I don't even know that it's 32-bit compatible. |
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| 00:33.39 | abrotman | omirix: can you start talking like a normal person? |
| 00:33.41 | calljair | green_earz, but normally it get downloaded to the home folder of the user that is running "wget" |
| 00:33.41 | Guerin | sybariten: frame data in each track is unique |
| 00:33.45 | pipeline | michal_ : It was designed by Sun for Sun systems, so it may not be |
| 00:33.48 | peterS | p2-mate: well, true. I meant, it doesn't get around your maximum bus bandwidth constraints |
| 00:33.52 | Guerin | omirix: depends |
| 00:33.53 | aliasd | abrotman, on the contrary, first time i have actually gotten a response here |
| 00:33.57 | omirix | ok |
| 00:34.01 | abrotman | aliasd: ok |
| 00:34.01 | michal_ | pipeline: likely.. but i'm not going to be using anything other than cpu/ram/ethernet.. i will load the os into a ramdrive off a CF card so there won't be any significant ide bandwidth required |
| 00:34.01 | p2-mate | pipeline: it should, otherwise it's non-compliant |
| 00:34.01 | p88 | abrotman: Actually the problem with no floppy, no cd and no network was mine too when I tried installing debian on my friend's computer ;) I eventually booted from the hard disk with ms-dos and did loadlin installing woody and upgrading to sarge... man that was a trouble |
| 00:34.03 | omirix | well network install.. |
| 00:34.04 | gangalee | I'm having problems burning a bootable CD w/ K3b... |
| 00:34.05 | omirix | how to do? |
| 00:34.10 | Guerin | omirix: google |
| 00:34.11 | calljair | but what about if you want to place the image in other folder beside the home folder can you tell that to "wget"? |
| 00:34.14 | abrotman | p88: sounds sick |
| 00:34.16 | omirix | ok |
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| 00:34.22 | abrotman | omirix: a whole howto is at debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 00:34.22 | omirix | thank you |
| 00:34.25 | p88 | abrotman: it was no floppy, it was an LS120 |
| 00:34.28 | Guerin | calljair: what? |
| 00:34.30 | p88 | so no support |
| 00:34.31 | pipeline | p2-mate : It doesn't have to be compliant when it's proprietary hardware. |
| 00:34.32 | green_earz | calljair: the data is saved where wget is started from |
| 00:34.33 | michal_ | here an informative page.. http://www.pcguide.com/ref/mbsys/buses/funcBandwidth-c.html |
| 00:34.38 | abrotman | p88: they boot like a normal floppy |
| 00:34.39 | p2-mate | peterS: no. true. |
| 00:34.41 | pipeline | michal_ : Also, Sun themselves recommend one CPU per port for good performance with the QFE. |
| 00:34.44 | p88 | abrotman: and the cd player was broken |
| 00:34.50 | p2-mate | pipeline: if you call it a PCI device, it has to be compliant. |
| 00:34.51 | abrotman | p88: was it a gateway ? |
| 00:34.55 | Avantopia | what a nightmare... GNOME freezes still, I had 'exclude irq 3' uncommented. |
| 00:35.03 | michal_ | pipeline: i don't know.. how proprietary is a via eden mobo? |
| 00:35.05 | omirix | thank you very much.. |
| 00:35.05 | k3k0 | what firewall you prefear for debian desktop with gnome? and is there somekind antivirus also :) |
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| 00:35.12 | Avantopia | btw I can't save the channel logs since GNOME freezes if I try. |
| 00:35.20 | p88 | abrotman: they boot yes but then it says "insert root floppy" then it looks for fd0 but it is not fd0 it is afd0. it was no gateway |
| 00:35.44 | p88 | k3k0: shorewall |
| 00:35.47 | abrotman | p88: custom install image! |
| 00:35.52 | michal_ | pipeline: i know but it means little to me given that they recommend dual cpu's for systems >=200 or 1 per port for (presumably) systems < 200mhz |
| 00:35.52 | Guerin | k3k0: firewalls are a woft; so is antivirus on unix |
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| 00:36.10 | Guerin | Avantopia: ditch gnome -> no problem |
| 00:36.11 | abrotman | p88: and oddly .. while i'm not sure how well it would work .. the LS120 disk is big enough to put the netinst on :) |
| 00:36.14 | Avantopia | can anyone here help me find the cause of my network problems? |
| 00:36.20 | Avantopia | Guerin, I CAN'T |
| 00:36.24 | ep | "woft"? |
| 00:36.24 | p88 | abrotman: I tried that but then it doesn't do it because the floppies broke on the formatting |
| 00:36.27 | Avantopia | Guerin, I must use gnome. |
| 00:36.28 | Guerin | Avantopia: why NOT? |
| 00:36.30 | BadMan | abrotman: good point |
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| 00:36.39 | Avantopia | Guerin, I don't have TIME to switch to flux or kde. |
| 00:36.40 | p88 | abrotman: and I did not have an LS120 _disk_ I just got normal floppies |
| 00:36.40 | k3k0 | Guerin/p88 thnx |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | p88: broke on formating? |
| 00:36.41 | pipeline | michal_ : Well, that's because the QFE PCI card is identical to the QFE Sbus card, which works in Ultra 2's. |
| 00:36.48 | abrotman | p88: oh .. that's dumb :) |
| 00:36.48 | mcg | Avantopia: Well, what does "/sbin/route -n" show with the card inserted? |
| 00:36.49 | green_earz | calljair: here a link that may be of intrest for postfix isp style > http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail/ |
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| 00:36.53 | resiak | Avantopia: To diagnose a problem, strip away everything that you can until the problem goes away. So just have no X and see if the problem still occurs. |
| 00:36.59 | Guerin | Avantopia: you've already wasted more time than it would take to switch to something else, like xfce4 |
| 00:37.03 | p88 | abrotman: I had to format it 1.7M for it to fit but the floppies did not want that |
| 00:37.10 | p88 | so I had to reformat them 1.4 |
| 00:37.16 | abrotman | p88: just send it to me next time :) |
| 00:37.19 | Guerin | !woft |
| 00:37.19 | dpkg | somebody said woft was Waste of Free Time |
| 00:37.28 | p88 | abrotman: I had to get it done within 13 hours |
| 00:37.37 | abrotman | p88: oh ok |
| 00:37.44 | michal_ | pipeline: i am not at all familiar with sun hardware so I don't know how that translates (if at all) to x86 hardware |
| 00:37.52 | abrotman | hrm .. what to eat |
| 00:37.54 | paster | Someone at 66.212.64.234 pasted "/sbin/route -n" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/384 |
| 00:37.56 | resiak | abrotman: Beer. |
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| 00:38.01 | citral | Guerin: you're wrong, a firewall isn't at all woft to protect your machine. antivirus is. |
| 00:38.02 | Guerin | !cheesesteak abrotman |
| 00:38.13 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:38.29 | pipeline | michal_ : Sbus was Sun's proprietary bus, used from about 1990 to 1997. At its slowest speed, it was faster than PCI. They finally replaced it with 64 bit PCI in order to control development cost. |
| 00:38.30 | Guerin | citral: no, a firewall typically can't protect the system it's on in any meaningful way |
| 00:38.31 | abrotman | beer and cheesesteak ... what else .. oh .. hot girls |
| 00:38.42 | Guerin | abrotman: and cards |
| 00:38.44 | p88 | abrotman: I did use every minute of them ;) from 7:30PM until 8:36AM I know... and I needed 6 minutes more but my friend was still asleep so... |
| 00:38.44 | Avantopia | Guerin, I don't have time to waste with all the details of switching my accounts over... too bad for me. |
| 00:38.56 | Guerin | Avantopia: it does indeed suck to be you |
| 00:38.57 | p88 | but now it works :D |
| 00:38.57 | abrotman | Guerin: cards? |
| 00:39.07 | abrotman | p88: heh |
| 00:39.08 | Guerin | abrotman: the ones with pips on them, that you use for gambling |
| 00:39.14 | michal_ | i do know that intel and phobos quad port ethernet cards sell for around $700+ AUS.. and that dlink 580TX cards (which are reputedly very crap) sell for around $220AUS |
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| 00:39.36 | Eclipser | is there any drawbacks in installing all possible font packages? (except space, which isn't an issue this time :) |
| 00:39.36 | mcg | Avantopia: Next step: Can you ping 172.16.252.1? |
| 00:39.38 | Avantopia | resiak, the problem occurs only when I run GNOME from GDM with my pcmcia card inserted... there is no way to try 'stripping away' software in this situation. |
| 00:39.38 | abrotman | Guerin: can't i just have hot girls and beer and a cheesesteak ? |
| 00:39.43 | Avantopia | mcg, trying |
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| 00:39.45 | Guerin | abrotman: no fun without cards |
| 00:39.48 | nvz | damn I don't think I have the intelligence to write a converter for these layout files.. heh its baffling me I cant grok either format.. and the kmajongg layouts seem rather simple compared to those of mahjongg master 4 |
| 00:39.52 | p88 | abrotman: But now I have troubles with his router, port forwarding does not work so I can't remotely administer the box :'( I have to guide him through the steps of fixing things. waaah |
| 00:40.00 | resiak | Avantopia: Does it occur with, say, XFce4 rather than GNOME ? Have you even _tried_ ? |
| 00:40.11 | Guerin | resiak: he HAS to use gnome |
| 00:40.27 | abrotman | p88: i think you need new friends with better toys :) |
| 00:40.30 | Guerin | he must owe havoc money or something |
| 00:40.32 | resiak | Guerin: Ah, yes, I forgot, because it's too much hassle to just _try_ something else to see if the problem is Gnome or X. |
| 00:40.33 | michal_ | hang on.. what happens when you plug in a 64bit pci card into a 32bit slot? nothing? |
| 00:40.35 | paster | "Avantopia" at 66.212.64.234 pasted "ping 172.16.252.1" (9 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/385 |
| 00:40.39 | michal_ | or does it depend on the card? |
| 00:41.05 | michal_ | this is a 64bit card right? http://i10.ebayimg.com/01/i/03/43/ba/8b_1_b.JPG |
| 00:41.12 | mcg | Avantopia: Righty. Can you ping "www.debian.org"? |
| 00:41.16 | p88 | abrotman: certainly and I am trying to make that friend buy a good router. he has a speedtouch (or so) I want him to have a d-link |
| 00:41.20 | Avantopia | resiak, I haven't tried with XFce4 yet... how large are the base files for this WM? I don't have all night for this. |
| 00:41.25 | Avantopia | mcg, yes |
| 00:41.51 | Guerin | Avantopia: about 40MB |
| 00:42.00 | mcg | Avantopia: Okay, this IS something weird with your _Gnome_ setup and with nothing else. |
| 00:42.05 | resiak | Avantopia: FWIW, apt-get install blackbox is 273kB. |
| 00:42.21 | Guerin | Avantopia: I think that includes gtk2, though |
| 00:42.25 | pipeline | Avantopia : Do you have HAL installed? Have you tried uninstalling it? |
| 00:42.30 | peterS | michal_: sure looks 64-bit to me |
| 00:42.50 | Avantopia | alright alright... xcfe4 |
| 00:42.53 | Avantopia | I will try it. |
| 00:42.59 | michal_ | i get the feeling that it would never work in a via eden mobo |
| 00:43.07 | Avantopia | I want KDE completely 'removed' how do I do this? |
| 00:43.10 | resiak | Avantopia: I would say try *box because they are faster downloads. |
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| 00:43.13 | pipeline | michal_ : Actually, I read on Sun's documentation that it works under 32 bit mode. |
| 00:43.13 | green_earz | p88: check out ebay for a netgear dg834 router |
| 00:43.14 | citral | !remove kde |
| 00:43.14 | dpkg | [remove kde] apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
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| 00:43.27 | pipeline | michal_ : And a VIA Eden will run Solaris, if the linux drivers fail to be device independent. |
| 00:43.28 | p88 | green_earz: What is good about that? |
| 00:43.33 | michal_ | pipeline: oh? i found doco on trunking it but not specs like that |
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| 00:43.39 | Avantopia | I tried but now I have 'kate' and 'konquerer' and KDE junk wasting precious hd space. |
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| 00:43.47 | green_earz | p88: price and qualty |
| 00:43.51 | WiFiTux | Is syslog = dmesg? |
| 00:43.55 | p88 | good I am looking for it |
| 00:44.01 | Guerin | Avantopia: purge those libs and all traces of kde will vanish from your system |
| 00:44.02 | peterS | WiFiTux: no |
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| 00:44.16 | Avantopia | resiak, xfce4 done... I am on a fast connection. |
| 00:44.18 | michal_ | pipeline: heh.. don't know if i'd want to run solaris.. might end up with some *bsd as I want to play around with the intersting networking capabilities they have |
| 00:44.22 | WiFiTux | peterS, what is the difference? |
| 00:44.28 | sybariten | is there an apt-specific channel ? |
| 00:44.28 | green_earz | p88: good portforwarding on the router |
| 00:44.29 | Avantopia | Guerin, which libs? |
| 00:44.33 | resiak | !remove kde |
| 00:44.33 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 00:44.35 | resiak | Avantopia: ^^& |
| 00:44.43 | peterS | WiFiTux: dmesg outputs the kernel log buffer. syslog is a system that collects log messages from user processes |
| 00:44.46 | Avantopia | excellent |
| 00:44.55 | Avantopia | thx resiak |
| 00:44.57 | pipeline | michal_ : NetBSD PCI device drivers are usually device independent. |
| 00:44.58 | michal_ | nothing ever came of an apt-get/dpkg enabled Debian distrib did it? |
| 00:45.07 | pipeline | michal_ : err, architecture independent |
| 00:45.10 | jief | hello, im working on a unstable box for a client. it had a weird process named /tmp/vadim. also the cron process is spelled all in CAPITAL letter. it has a sendmail process also, but sendmail is not installed. any idea what is going on? has it been rooted? |
| 00:45.12 | Guerin | Avantopia: this is a debian channel - if you're using apt on debian, we can help. If you're using another distro, ask them. |
| 00:45.15 | Guerin | eh |
| 00:45.20 | michal_ | oops.. and FreeBSD dpkg/apt-get distrib |
| 00:45.24 | michal_ | s/and/a |
| 00:45.25 | Guerin | sybariten: this is a debian channel - if you're using apt on debian, we can help. If you're using another distro, ask them. |
| 00:45.27 | geertn | quick question, how big is the network performance difference between a 32 bit or 64 bit kernel? |
| 00:45.32 | Guerin | Avantopia: please just ignore that |
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| 00:45.55 | resiak | Avantopia: ...so in the time you spent arguing that you have to use GNOME, you could have downloaded every single DE/WM in Debian... *decides to keep his mouth shut from now on* |
| 00:46.00 | WiFiTux | peterS, so is there a command like dmesg to show me that? I'm asking cause hddtemp is going to use syslog to monitor the temperatures |
| 00:46.01 | Avantopia | what is the quickest way to run xcfe4 just to test this bug out? |
| 00:46.02 | resiak | geertn: Try it and see. |
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| 00:46.10 | resiak | Avantopia: Log out, select it in GDM, log in. |
| 00:46.14 | Guerin | Avantopia: startx /usr/bin/startxfce4 |
| 00:46.15 | michal_ | pipeline: yes that's what i read about the hme driver.. but it was from 2 years ago.. still.. I can only hope things improve over time rather than go backwards :P |
| 00:46.17 | Avantopia | k |
| 00:46.17 | peterS | WiFiTux: I favor 'less -S +F /var/log/syslog' |
| 00:46.21 | p88 | green_earz: I have seen one for ~$6 atm with 2 days + X to go |
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| 00:46.42 | p88 | and another one for ~$50-60 |
| 00:46.44 | Avantopia | resiak, I have to do a ctrl+alt+backspace just to get out of gnome |
| 00:46.58 | resiak | Avantopia: Oh, that's nice. |
| 00:47.04 | Avantopia | hehe |
| 00:47.05 | ferris | i need some serious help to get totem to play my dvd.... I have gotten the error saying that i cannot play an encrytpted disk without installing libdvdcss |
| 00:47.06 | michal_ | seems that decent cases for mini-ITX motherboards cost more than the cpu/mobo :/ |
| 00:47.21 | Guerin | ferris: what do you think you might need to do, then? |
| 00:47.28 | ferris | I can't locate the file on the internet |
| 00:47.32 | ferris | i can't install it |
| 00:47.37 | green_earz | p88: so have a google about the router and if you thinks it the one have a bid |
| 00:47.38 | ferris | because i can't find it |
| 00:47.44 | Guerin | !dvd |
| 00:47.45 | dpkg | well, dvd is use xine or ogle to play video DVDs |
| 00:47.52 | Guerin | gah, useless factoid |
| 00:48.00 | Guerin | !libdvdcss |
| 00:48.00 | dpkg | To get libdvdcss, follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/; or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 00:48.11 | michal_ | amd GOD FORBID if you want a rack mounted mini-ITX case. You might as well get a quad xeon rack mounted server by the time you tally up the costs |
| 00:48.12 | XTR | GAHeeee. Anybody know the rootdocument dir for Apache2 on Debian? |
| 00:48.12 | dbomb | hey, I am going to install debian on a 8600 to use as a server, but I am pretty sure that I am going to need help setting it up |
| 00:48.18 | dbomb | I can prolly install it fine |
| 00:48.22 | WiFiTux | peterS, what does thatr command do? |
| 00:48.26 | pipeline | michal_ : uh, what would be the point of a rack-mount mini-ITX case? Rackmount is 19" wide. |
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| 00:48.27 | ferris | thanks dpkg |
| 00:48.28 | dpkg | my pleasure, ferris |
| 00:48.31 | Guerin | dbomb: a 8600 what? |
| 00:48.32 | gravity | dbomb: Is that a ppc? |
| 00:48.39 | gravity | 8600 is a bit vague |
| 00:48.39 | dbomb | yeah |
| 00:48.43 | dbomb | sorry |
| 00:48.52 | dbomb | I am used to being on mac releated channels |
| 00:48.58 | dbomb | it's an older power mac |
| 00:49.04 | resiak | !tell dbomb -about enter |
| 00:49.04 | michal_ | pipeline: they exist. you can stick a slim cdrom and 3.5" drive next to the motherboard. |
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| 00:49.13 | hadiz | I have a question, what package do I need to use 'dpkg-reconfigure' on in order to have it automatically detect my VGA adapter settings? when I choose xserver-xfree86 it asks for all sorts of information on it I dont' have. |
| 00:49.23 | jepel_tailweaver | and 8100/100 |
| 00:49.32 | Guerin | hadiz: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 00:49.34 | resiak | hadiz: What does it ask for that you don't know, out of interest? |
| 00:49.44 | gravity | dbomb: Try #debian-ppc. They'll be better able to help you |
| 00:49.56 | michal_ | pipeline: i don't care so much about those but I would prefer to have a rack mountable case. would make things much neater once I buy a small rack |
| 00:49.59 | dbomb | gravity: ok, thanks |
| 00:50.02 | hadiz | I forget exactly...let me hop on it and let you knwo. |
| 00:50.04 | hadiz | know* |
| 00:50.09 | Guerin | #debianppc, I think |
| 00:50.13 | hadiz | this an extremely old crappy machine with onboard gfx |
| 00:50.16 | dbomb | the other one worked |
| 00:50.24 | Guerin | oh, cool |
| 00:50.33 | dbomb | I got sent to that oen |
| 00:50.34 | pipeline | michal_ : heh, but typical racks are so large. VIA and mini-ITX seems kind of pointless compared to using a PPC 750 on an ATX or an embedded Motorola rackmount or what-have-you. |
| 00:50.39 | dbomb | I think |
| 00:50.45 | dbomb | well, thanks, later. |
| 00:50.47 | resiak | !ppc |
| 00:50.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 00:50.52 | resiak | Guerin was right. |
| 00:50.59 | pipeline | michal_ : Had you considered buying a Cobalt rack? |
| 00:51.02 | Guerin | but if there's a redirect, it's irrelevant |
| 00:51.11 | Guerin | i just didn't know there was one |
| 00:51.11 | gravity | So #debianppc has a freakish naming scheme |
| 00:51.14 | pipeline | michal_ : It's actually all built for you, and it'll run Linux |
| 00:51.20 | Guerin | yeah, damn ppc freaks |
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| 00:51.33 | citral | jalous! |
| 00:51.35 | WiFiTux | peterS, I don't think I like that less. It won't let me scroll up or so... |
| 00:51.38 | GmLB | How would I modify my mod_rewrite rules so that real directories are ignored? |
| 00:51.47 | Guerin | we love our cheap crappy x86 tat |
| 00:51.53 | pipeline | michal_ : Cobalt made 1U, ultra-tiny Linux servers that used MIPS R4ks and later cool-running x86 processors. They usually had 2 100 mbit ports and a half-height PCI slot. |
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| 00:52.01 | Guerin | GmLB: this is clearly a #apache question |
| 00:52.03 | helix | is 'tat' short for anything" |
| 00:52.03 | peterS | WiFiTux: sure it will. you hit ctrl-c then you can scroll however you wish |
| 00:52.03 | michal_ | pipeline: all the options seem equally expensive in the end :/ if you want it small and full featured it costs $700AUS or more REGARDLESS of what you get :/ |
| 00:52.04 | helix | ? |
| 00:52.19 | helix | hm, did avantopia get his wireless problem worked out? |
| 00:52.21 | Guerin | helix: tattoo; but in that usage it just means 'trash' |
| 00:52.22 | peterS | helix: as in "check out my new tat" or as in "tit for tat"? |
| 00:52.24 | jhujhiti | if i make a disk image with dd, can i mount it loopback and have LVM see it? i have three bad disks i need to back up onto a giant SATA and i have LVM across all three |
| 00:52.28 | gravity | helix: Not really |
| 00:52.29 | pipeline | michal_ : Heh, didn't I warn you about this from day one, when you mentioned the possibility of selling a "high-end" equivalent of the WRT54g? |
| 00:52.32 | helix | peterS: as in calling merchandise 'tat' |
| 00:52.36 | jhujhiti | all three disk images that is |
| 00:52.38 | GmLB | Guerin: No doubt, I was hoping someone here might know since the apache folks are rather quiet... |
| 00:52.41 | helix | but Guerin cleared it up :) |
| 00:52.42 | peterS | oh. no clue, I'll let the others prevail there |
| 00:52.47 | pipeline | michal_ : As Cobalt was only popular in the U.S., I can't imagine how expensive it would be in .au |
| 00:52.52 | gravity | helix: Still refusing to try to use anything but gnome |
| 00:52.58 | helix | what? |
| 00:53.01 | helix | oh, him |
| 00:53.06 | helix | well then |
| 00:53.08 | michal_ | pipeline: but they do more than I need :) but I have no choice. it's either less than you need or more than you need |
| 00:53.20 | citral | running sarge on an ibook is fun. A lot of fun. |
| 00:53.27 | Guerin | oh, I think resiak convinced him to give xfce4 a crack |
| 00:53.28 | michal_ | pipeline: one sold a while ago on ebay.. |
| 00:53.32 | mrwill | citral: how so? I might try that. |
| 00:53.36 | michal_ | pipeline: i think it ended up pretty expensive |
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| 00:54.00 | pipeline | michal_ : Well, they're very nice machines, and probably rather rare in australia. |
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| 00:54.16 | pipeline | michal_ : They weren't very expensive at all new, less than $2k US |
| 00:54.20 | citral | mrwill: the comfort of the screen and keyboard is a must, and a G3 366 MHz with 128 Ram is a rocket :) |
| 00:54.33 | pipeline | citral : 128M makes baby jesus cry. |
| 00:54.50 | mrwill | citral: and sound and graphics and wireless network all work ok? |
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| 00:54.57 | sussudio | in soviet russia, baby jesus makes you cry |
| 00:55.00 | pipeline | helix : 128M makes helix baby cry (??) |
| 00:55.07 | thingfish | hehe sussudio |
| 00:55.07 | helix | I was never a baby |
| 00:55.11 | pipeline | helix : Doesn't have the same ring to it. |
| 00:55.11 | Avantopia | hilarious |
| 00:55.13 | peterS | true enough |
| 00:55.13 | Avantopia | xfce4 works just fine guys. |
| 00:55.14 | michal_ | pipeline: rack mounted cases are uber expensive.. but ITX ones that support a PCI slot while still being small are aslo very rare in Australia.. if available at all |
| 00:55.15 | Avantopia | what is up with GNOME? |
| 00:55.28 | pipeline | michal_ : ITX is a waste of your time. VIA processors are extremely slow. |
| 00:55.28 | helix | Avantopia: shh, you'll anger the gnome fanboys |
| 00:55.30 | citral | mrwill: yeah, everything works except the last airport extreme cards found in the last ibooks |
| 00:55.31 | pipeline | Avantopia : HAL, probably. |
| 00:55.35 | WiFiTux | peterS, ahh!! nice... BTW would you ever know what this means? I get it from my aDSL box and in any PC that his this public IP... : Mar 29 18:38:46 localhost kernel: 10.30.1.241 sent an invalid ICMP type 3, code 1 error to a broadcast: 200.91.94.255 on eth1 |
| 00:55.42 | pipeline | Avantopia : HAL is a trainwreck. Uninstall it. |
| 00:55.49 | Guerin | Avantopia: gnome is shit; just accept it and move on |
| 00:55.56 | michal_ | pipeline: http://search.ebay.com.au/cobalt_Computers-IT-Office_W0QQcatrefZC2QQfmcZ1QQfromZR40QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ160QQsojsZ1 |
| 00:56.00 | peterS | WiFiTux: what part of "10.30.1.241 sent an invalid ICMP type 3, code 1 error to a broadcast" is unclear? |
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| 00:56.03 | Avantopia | pipeline, I don't think it is HAL. |
| 00:56.14 | Avantopia | Guerin, LOL |
| 00:56.17 | WiFiTux | peterS, hehe, what does it mean? |
| 00:56.22 | resiak | Avantopia: What do you base that idea on? |
| 00:56.23 | peterS | WiFiTux: which part is unclear? |
| 00:56.36 | pipeline | Avantopia : HAL would be the only place where Gnome would interact with PCMCIA. |
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| 00:56.53 | ryan_ | mabey he doesn't know hat type 3, code 1 is, or what might be happening. |
| 00:56.55 | peterS | WiFiTux: I could tell you that the machine 10.30.1.241 seems to have sent an ICMP packet, of type 3, with an error code 1 in it, to a broadcast address |
| 00:56.57 | WiFiTux | peterS, what is type 3 and code 1 error to a boradcast? I don't get anyhing |
| 00:57.00 | peterS | WiFiTux: but that's just restating the error |
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| 00:57.03 | Avantopia | pipeline, it might be a cardmgr or network issue as well. |
| 00:57.19 | Guerin | Avantopia: clearly not, since it's working in xfce4 |
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| 00:57.26 | Avantopia | Guerin, k |
| 00:57.32 | peterS | Guerin: which bad things? overloading the name of the computer in 2001, or overloading the name of the microkernel subsystem in Windows NT? |
| 00:57.52 | p88 | green_earz: that is what I am going to do but I am going out now |
| 00:57.54 | p88 | bye all |
| 00:57.55 | Avantopia | XCFE4 will take some getting used to. |
| 00:57.58 | helix | I don't think he can tell you, dave |
| 00:57.58 | ryan_ | WiFiTux, google icmp type list |
| 00:58.00 | WiFiTux | peterS, I don't even know who that is... But I can ping it... |
| 00:58.00 | Avantopia | it is lightweight though. |
| 00:58.04 | pipeline | Avantopia : The fact that it's gnome specific suggests that it is a HAL problem. |
| 00:58.13 | ryan_ | second hit, i found the answer |
| 00:58.13 | Guerin | peterS: just the whole 2001 thing |
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| 00:58.27 | green_earz | p88: all the best with a good bid |
| 00:58.28 | pipeline | Avantopia : as HAL is pretty broken, it's the "usual suspect" |
| 00:58.32 | ryan_ | and |
| 00:58.33 | ryan_ | no |
| 00:58.33 | peterS | WiFiTux: how is it that you're getting packets on a local network 10.30.1.* and you don't know who is sending them? |
| 00:58.37 | Avantopia | pipeline, k... |
| 00:58.52 | ryan_ | that messaged should sure as hell _NOT_ be sent to broadcast |
| 00:58.52 | pipeline | peterS : Well, HAL in Linux and HAL in Windows NT have the same expansion, no? |
| 00:59.03 | WiFiTux | peterS, that's why I'm asking. I can ping that device, which looks like is someone from my ISP maybe? |
| 00:59.04 | peterS | pipeline: yes. they're quite different but they do have the same expansion |
| 00:59.08 | ryan_ | Either something is misconfigured, or someone is spoofing packets. |
| 00:59.32 | gravity | hal itself does very little anyway. It maps the system devices to a file schema |
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| 00:59.36 | peterS | pipeline: well, I don't know if the one in gnome is a 'library' or 'layer' |
| 00:59.37 | ryan_ | 3/1 is destination host unreachable. |
| 00:59.38 | gravity | It's probably udev that's the culprit |
| 00:59.42 | Avantopia | a great THX to all the help from you people here in #debian... next I need to create profiles for my wifi networks... I connect to several of them and only one needs a WEP key and correct essid ... I don't know how to do this the 'Debian Way'. |
| 00:59.47 | citral | !blame udev |
| 01:00.00 | michal_ | pipeline: i was told by MANY on this channel that a via processor is probably a few dozen times faster than what i need for 100mbit NAT |
| 01:00.08 | ryan_ | WiFiTux, you have a cable modem? |
| 01:00.13 | gravity | udev actually does horrific things, but then it's the slightly-less-retarded cousin of devfs, so... |
| 01:00.16 | WiFiTux | ryan_, Type 3Error 1Host Unreachable |
| 01:00.20 | resiak | Avantopia: man interfaces |
| 01:00.24 | helix | at least it has a friendly maintainer |
| 01:00.24 | WiFiTux | ryan_, cable with a public IP. |
| 01:00.25 | Avantopia | k |
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| 01:00.33 | WiFiTux | ryan_, gggg aDSL |
| 01:00.34 | resiak | Avantopia: ls /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/; less things-in-there |
| 01:00.35 | peterS | helix: which one? udev or devfs? |
| 01:00.39 | helix | udev! |
| 01:00.42 | ryan_ | WiFiTux, cable companies like to use 10.x.x.x for thier internal networks. |
| 01:00.43 | gravity | helix: udev does? |
| 01:00.48 | helix | yeah |
| 01:00.53 | gravity | helix: Sarcasm? |
| 01:00.56 | peterS | helix: you referring to greg k-h? I know you aren't referring to marco |
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| 01:01.04 | ryan_ | and make those IPs routable to customers |
| 01:01.11 | helix | of course I'm referring to marco |
| 01:01.17 | astronut | do you have to be in here for dpkg to work? |
| 01:01.22 | gravity | Wow |
| 01:01.24 | peterS | astronut: you have to share at least one channel with it |
| 01:01.24 | resiak | astronut: Yes. |
| 01:01.25 | Avantopia | resiak, how about this race condition with 'pcmcia services' and 'dhclient' should I just ignore it if it works? |
| 01:01.25 | ryan_ | WiFiTux, call them and ask about it ;) |
| 01:01.32 | Guerin | astronut: or in another channel where he resides, yeah |
| 01:01.34 | WiFiTux | ryan_, I bet they do, but still why would I get a Host Unreachable broadcast? |
| 01:01.34 | peterS | astronut: it doesn't have to be #debian |
| 01:01.36 | helix | how could you not love someone who says: (Md) jvw: this should not be RC either, because there is no way that this will be fixed for sarge |
| 01:01.46 | ryan_ | WiFiTux: you shouldn't. |
| 01:01.48 | astronut | echo mozilla-thunderbird hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 01:01.48 | gravity | helix: Because he treats his users like shit |
| 01:01.50 | resiak | Avantopia: I have absolutely no idea -- I've never used PCMCIA |
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| 01:01.51 | astronut | gah, sorry |
| 01:01.52 | astronut | wrong window |
| 01:01.56 | ryan_ | WiFiTux, something strange is going on. |
| 01:02.07 | peterS | poor helix |
| 01:02.14 | citral | !comfort helix |
| 01:02.16 | Avantopia | anyone? pcmcia starts after dhcp? |
| 01:02.16 | dpkg | There, there, helix. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:02.17 | gravity | Did I miss the sarcasm? |
| 01:02.21 | helix | yes :( |
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| 01:02.25 | peterS | she tries to be all sarcastic and gravity and I act as though we take her seriously |
| 01:02.27 | gravity | Ah, that's why I had to ask |
| 01:02.30 | WiFiTux | ryan_, peterS, i will call them.... Thanks! |
| 01:02.48 | ryan_ | WiFiTux, keep in mind they probably will tell you to go away. |
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| 01:02.56 | gravity | sarcasm + irc == sometimes worky |
| 01:03.02 | citral | true |
| 01:03.03 | peterS | sometimes it works well |
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| 01:03.45 | sussudio | ewwwwwwwww |
| 01:03.45 | sussudio | teh EMO |
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| 01:03.52 | peterS | yeah really |
| 01:04.01 | helix | my poor tortured soul / my friends misunderstand me / death, not soon enough |
| 01:04.02 | peterS | I think helix and resiak need to be put in a padded cell together to recuperate |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | who was saying the other day that noone uses E17 by choice |
| 01:04.11 | Gnea | emo... isn't that a byproduct of barney? |
| 01:04.13 | resiak | o.O |
| 01:04.21 | sussudio | 16 year old castrated wannabe punkers |
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| 01:04.28 | Gnea | abrotman: dunno, but they're wrong |
| 01:04.29 | citral | heh |
| 01:04.30 | ryan_ | O_O |
| 01:04.34 | michal_ | pipeline: what's so good about the cobalts? they look like just AMD's running linux in a 1U rackmount case with a display on the front |
| 01:04.39 | abrotman | Gnea: i used you as an example :) |
| 01:04.47 | gravity | helix: You're confusing emo with goth |
| 01:04.55 | helix | but they're like, next door neighbors! |
| 01:05.01 | WiFiTux | ryan_, they will be clueless.... |
| 01:05.04 | pipeline | michal_ : They're small, they're quiet, they're low-heat, and they're substantially faster than any ITX board you're looking at :P |
| 01:05.13 | abrotman | helix: doesn't make it any better :) |
| 01:05.14 | helix | I can try again |
| 01:05.15 | gravity | Nah. Goth kids are weird. Emo kids are just whiney. |
| 01:05.19 | Gnea | ;) |
| 01:05.19 | Faithful | Hey guys, what's with "make deps" not being available in kernel compile any more? When compiling certain software it requires that deps have been built in the kernel source for the software to compile.... so now I have to run "make" let it go for a while and then ^c to get out (not very professional) ??? |
| 01:05.25 | peterS | gravity,helix: does the poetry that comes out of either one of them actually have enough structure to be called crappy haiku, though, as opposed to just generic crap? |
| 01:05.26 | pipeline | michal_ : Also, they don't use a PC-compatible BIOS. |
| 01:05.35 | helix | I have no idea |
| 01:05.36 | Gnea | Faithful: it's "make dep" not "make deps" |
| 01:05.39 | WiFiTux | Has someone tried 2.6.11 in a laptop here? I'm afraid it might suck by the fact it took week for it to get into Sid., |
| 01:05.41 | thingfish | What is emo music? |
| 01:05.41 | gravity | peterS: No, just generic crap, at least that I've seen |
| 01:05.43 | helix | are you calling my haiku crappy?? |
| 01:05.46 | citral | e17 came out? I don't believe that. |
| 01:05.54 | peterS | helix: that last utterance was not exactly a gem |
| 01:05.55 | Gnea | citral: CVS |
| 01:05.56 | michal_ | pipeline: i don't need FAST. I need fast enough :P |
| 01:05.59 | Faithful | Gnea: yeah, you know what I mean |
| 01:06.01 | resiak | !tell Faithful about kpkg |
| 01:06.02 | peterS | I figured it was for effect |
| 01:06.06 | helix | BUT IT WAS IRONIC! A STROKE OF BRILLIANCE! |
| 01:06.07 | resiak | Ooops. |
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| 01:06.10 | Gnea | citral: walgreens is having some communications issue |
| 01:06.17 | WiFiTux | sussudio, well, there are reassons. |
| 01:06.20 | resiak | Faithful: Ignore that, and read the Debian Reference section on make-kpkg |
| 01:06.26 | thingfish | I listen to progressive house and progressive trance, underground, a little dark tribal now and then... |
| 01:06.33 | Gnea | Faithful: basically, but typing it right *matters* |
| 01:06.33 | resiak | !tell Faithful about kernel-package |
| 01:06.38 | tbird | have a sound question |
| 01:06.42 | Eclipser | citral, what? it's out? |
| 01:06.43 | thingfish | but I've never heard of emo. |
| 01:06.55 | citral | <Gnea> citral: CVS |
| 01:06.59 | tbird | it apears all the modules are loaded and i get no error from xmms but there is no sound output |
| 01:07.00 | helix | emo is hard to describe |
| 01:07.04 | Eclipser | bleh |
| 01:07.06 | michal_ | pipeline: do you seriousyl think that a c3 eden processor at 1ghz can't do 100mbit NAT ? |
| 01:07.11 | Faithful | resiak: Did you read what I wrote (I wonder)? |
| 01:07.11 | helix | tbird: install aumix, check the volume levels |
| 01:07.14 | Gnea | citral: my humor is based on a currently empty stomach |
| 01:07.17 | sussudio | "Emo: The type of music you listen to when, try as you might, you cannot get laid..and cry about it.." |
| 01:07.18 | peterS | thingfish: you're not missing much. emo is just as lame as progressive whatever |
| 01:07.24 | pipeline | michal_ : I seriously think that a C3 1 GHz is slower than a K6 at 500 MHz. |
| 01:07.25 | Faithful | it's not about compiling kernels |
| 01:07.35 | pipeline | michal_ : Either one can do 100 mbit NAT without batting an eye. |
| 01:07.36 | resiak | Faithful: I read it, and I thought that kernel-package could do all that stuff for you... |
| 01:07.39 | resiak | Faithful: ...sorry. |
| 01:07.40 | michal_ | pipeline: because I can't find info saying either way.. but people tell me that a pentium 75 should be able to handle that |
| 01:07.40 | Eclipser | I can't wait for non-CVS version of E17 :) |
| 01:07.41 | thingfish | evil peterS |
| 01:07.49 | Gnea | sussudio: wow i haven't gotten laid since last summer, maybe i should start listening to emo :P |
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| 01:08.10 | sussudio | Gnea: maybe you should start putting thumbtacks in your face too... same experience |
| 01:08.12 | peterS | Gnea: oh, emo doesn't actually help the matter. it just makes you feel more connected to the world of whiners |
| 01:08.13 | tbird | level shows 100% in aumix |
| 01:08.17 | thingfish | to me, that's k.d. lang music (not getting laid and crying about it). |
| 01:08.25 | Faithful | anyhoo I will go back to crashing out of kernel builds just so I can compile other software |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | someone ask me something .. i feel unclean |
| 01:08.31 | tbird | speakers are pluged up and turned on and up |
| 01:08.31 | helix | kd lang stole your women |
| 01:08.33 | michal_ | pipeline: a c3 runs even cooler than the k6.. you can have an itx with no fans at all |
| 01:08.37 | Eclipser | I was waiting eagerly for Entrace to become stable but now I'm not sure anymore which I would use... that or gdm... gdm has nice graphical theme things |
| 01:08.42 | pipeline | michal_ : I have a K6 with no fans. |
| 01:08.42 | thingfish | I wish I were k.d. lang |
| 01:08.44 | sussudio | "Emo: Like a Goth, only much less dark and much more Harry Potter. - My life sucks, I want to cry." |
| 01:08.49 | gravity | emo kids get lots of play. At least the ones I've met do. |
| 01:08.50 | thingfish | except that I liked guys. |
| 01:08.58 | Gnea | sussudio: well i've been pumping freshly combusted tar and nicotine into my lungs for the past 10 years, that should count about the same |
| 01:08.59 | Faithful | abrotman: do you ever feel unclean? Have you felt that way since birth? |
| 01:09.00 | michal_ | i'm almost considering building my own case though.. getting a decent case is a serious problem |
| 01:09.08 | WiFiTux | thingfish, punk rock is the way to go... |
| 01:09.11 | helix | gravity: yeah, there is usually a huge amount of emo infucking in those groups |
| 01:09.14 | abrotman | Faithful: i ventured to #ubuntu |
| 01:09.17 | Gnea | peterS: right, i'll stick with what i know |
| 01:09.18 | Gnea | :) |
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| 01:09.21 | peterS | helix: does it make them all feel better? |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | !hose me |
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| 01:09.25 | abrotman | yes!!! |
| 01:09.26 | michal_ | pipeline: plus the new 1.2ghz c3's can do encryption MUCH faster than even a fast p4 |
| 01:09.26 | gravity | helix: Pretty much, but they're getting plenty of action |
| 01:09.27 | thingfish | oh please, WiFiTux, I played that game when I was in college. |
| 01:09.30 | helix | peterS: no, then they cry about other stuff |
| 01:09.32 | helix | gravity: I know |
| 01:09.34 | peterS | ahhh |
| 01:09.39 | michal_ | pipeline: not much use now but maybe in the future |
| 01:09.44 | abrotman | thingfish: actually .. that would be beer .. |
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| 01:09.49 | gravity | peterS: They then cry about how it's shitty to be in love or something |
| 01:09.53 | Gnea | tbird: so what's the problem? |
| 01:09.54 | peterS | gravity: oh, right! |
| 01:09.56 | thingfish | hehe abrotman |
| 01:10.04 | helix | or how their gf/bf moved on to someone else in the emo incrowd |
| 01:10.05 | Faithful | never compile a kernel on a celeron 300A |
| 01:10.08 | tbird | Gnea: thats a good question |
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| 01:10.15 | WiFiTux | thingfish, heh still. |
| 01:10.25 | Gnea | tbird: you said you have a sound problem and the volume is all the way up - what is the problem? |
| 01:10.26 | gravity | resiak: That's the only way to deal with it |
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| 01:10.36 | peterS | Guerin: same here. I've only seen the fringe of it |
| 01:10.36 | helix | I saw many emoos when I was out yesterday |
| 01:10.37 | risky | Eclipser, as nice as entrance's? |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | helix: wouldn't that make the new bf/gf happy? |
| 01:10.45 | peterS | abrotman: you'd think, but you'd be wrong |
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| 01:10.48 | Gnea | wow |
| 01:10.51 | abrotman | and make them non-emo ? |
| 01:10.52 | tbird | Gnea: prob is this is still basically a default install everything apears ok but there is no sound coming out my speakers |
| 01:10.53 | Gnea | Guerin: sec |
| 01:10.57 | WiFiTux | peterS, should I build (PREEMPT_BKL) ? |
| 01:10.57 | helix | abrotman: yeah, but maybe the new bf/gf is crying because their new bf/gf is a rebound from their last one |
| 01:11.00 | Guerin | peterS: i just ignore modern musical trends until they're at least 10 years old |
| 01:11.08 | michal_ | pipeline: did the doco for that qfe mention the impact of using it in a 32bit slot? just reduced bandwidth? |
| 01:11.09 | Eclipser | risky, well, entrance doesn't really have very much themes yet, and I really like my current gdm theme :) |
| 01:11.09 | Gnea | tbird: speakers plugged into the right port? |
| 01:11.10 | tbird | granted its a unstable install |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | helix: sounds like they all need a fucking kick in the pants |
| 01:11.12 | Guerin | sometimes 5, but not often |
| 01:11.13 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:11.22 | peterS | WiFiTux: no, you shouldn't. it is supposed to work but it's a pretty new thing, and we've lived without it for the past 14 years |
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| 01:11.37 | peterS | Guerin: a good strategy |
| 01:11.37 | tbird | Gnea: yeah just installed over gentoo and all worked fine before |
| 01:11.37 | Eclipser | is there a way to take a screenshot of gdm? |
| 01:11.49 | Avantopia | I can't even freaking use Nautilus under XCFE4... WTF? |
| 01:11.50 | sobersabre | any rdist docs on the web ? |
| 01:11.50 | peterS | Guerin: I'm listening to Rush right now. they're about as far from new as you can get without being completely obsolete |
| 01:11.53 | gravity | resiak: Please don't /msg me or make dpkg /msg me either, kthx |
| 01:12.02 | Gnea | tbird: is your user(s) added to the audio group? if so, did you make sure to logout then login again for the change to take effect? use the: id user command to see |
| 01:12.07 | abrotman | resiak: you did what? |
| 01:12.09 | resiak | gravity: Sorry. I was attempting to avoid channel spam while pimping. :-) |
| 01:12.10 | Guerin | peterS: heh, yeah. They're a bit too... operatic for my taste |
| 01:12.14 | Avantopia | does nautilus depend on GNOME? |
| 01:12.17 | thingfish | peterS: I was never much a fan of Rush, but I sure liked Yes a lot. |
| 01:12.18 | resiak | abrotman: !told him about wieb :-/ |
| 01:12.21 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:12.22 | gravity | Avantopia: Lots of the libraries, yeah |
| 01:12.26 | Gnea | tbird: are you using OSS or ALSA modules? are you sure you don't have both loaded? |
| 01:12.27 | Guerin | Avantopia: not on the whole thing, just some libs |
| 01:12.29 | thingfish | Yes and Rush are a little similar. |
| 01:12.30 | risky | Eclipser, I like the 4 themes they've worked on, much more than gdm's |
| 01:12.39 | michal_ | pipeline: also, in what network related or common operations would a 500mhz amd be faster than a 1ghz c3? |
| 01:12.40 | peterS | thingfish: rush is quirky. I bought some recently to see if I could get into it with increasing familiarity. I think it'll work |
| 01:12.42 | tbird | id tbird |
| 01:12.42 | tbird | uid=1000(tbird) gid=1000(tbird) groups=1000(tbird),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev) |
| 01:12.44 | abrotman | resiak: you evil bastard |
| 01:12.46 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:12.51 | Gnea | ok cool |
| 01:12.53 | thingfish | Rush was not bad at all. |
| 01:12.55 | Eclipser | risky, I tried the CVS a while ago and it was quite buggy :) |
| 01:12.56 | abrotman | gravity: that's cause you got old |
| 01:12.57 | Avantopia | gravity, what would cause all these gnome / nautilus issues? HAL? HAL isn't running is it? |
| 01:12.59 | Gnea | check that module thing then |
| 01:13.04 | helix | t |
| 01:13.04 | resiak | abrotman: It was naughty of me, though. It's -ot :-| |
| 01:13.06 | gravity | abrotman: Pretty much, yeah |
| 01:13.10 | tbird | its a default 2.4 kernel |
| 01:13.11 | gravity | Avantopia: You can look at that yourself |
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| 01:13.15 | tbird | im sure its oss |
| 01:13.16 | peterS | helix: heh. you wouldn't like 'em |
| 01:13.17 | thingfish | Yes was fantastic though. I used to worship them. |
| 01:13.18 | Gnea | helix: you've never heard rush?! how the HELL... |
| 01:13.22 | abrotman | helix: they're not bad .. but not something i'd pay for to see live :) |
| 01:13.26 | helix | I don't think I have |
| 01:13.26 | risky | Eclipser, ah, yeah, it is a bit |
| 01:13.34 | gravity | helix: You'll hate it, don't worry |
| 01:13.37 | Gnea | oh my god. |
| 01:13.38 | helix | ok |
| 01:13.39 | peterS | Gnea: well, they sing everything in English. helix doesn't listen to much of that sort of thing |
| 01:13.41 | abrotman | helix: you don't have like . a classic rock friend? |
| 01:13.45 | helix | it's true |
| 01:13.45 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:13.47 | helix | abrotman: no |
| 01:13.55 | abrotman | helix: you live a sad sad life :) |
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| 01:14.04 | thingfish | don't we all |
| 01:14.06 | Gnea | peterS: i don't know helix as well as some do :P |
| 01:14.16 | citral | my life is mostly funny |
| 01:14.25 | peterS | Gnea: indeed. anyway, knowing what I do of her musical tastes I agree with gravity that she'd hate rush |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | everyone needs at least one classic rock friend who can argue with themself about who is a better guitarist . hendrix or page or claptop |
| 01:14.30 | helix | my life is sad because I don't have a friend who listens to classic rock? |
| 01:14.31 | abrotman | err clapton |
| 01:14.33 | Gnea | abrotman: dude, she's in the deep south |
| 01:14.43 | Gnea | it makes sense, sadly |
| 01:14.46 | Guerin | abrotman: no competition |
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| 01:14.52 | abrotman | Gnea: allman bros? .. lyrnrd dkynrd? |
| 01:15.00 | thingfish | oh come on, no comparison, hendrix was marvelous and, really, without peer. |
| 01:15.00 | hlp | another question, while i'm at fixing things tonight :) i've got compaq easy access button keayboard 88 jeys, (101 compatible) and i need to have my extra keys to work, including most important my FN key..... any tips? acme wouldn't be bad, i'm using kde atm... |
| 01:15.00 | helix | I've heard lynrd skynrd! |
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| 01:15.06 | Guerin | !beer thingfish |
| 01:15.07 | helix | his name looks like welsh |
| 01:15.08 | astronut | !dak |
| 01:15.08 | abrotman | thingfish: opinion |
| 01:15.08 | dpkg | dak (also known as The Girls) is the set of scripts that manage the debian archives, including the testing scripts. See http://cvs.debian.org/dak/?cvsroot=dak for the code. |
| 01:15.08 | Gnea | abrotman: dude, i grew up in a town dominated by classic rock:) |
| 01:15.09 | peterS | with more 'y' chars |
| 01:15.17 | Guerin | abrotman: fact |
| 01:15.19 | helix | heh |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | Guerin: i disagree :) |
| 01:15.27 | s0undt3ch | hello ppl! |
| 01:15.29 | Gnea | between classic rock and the 'latest hits' by shitty artists |
| 01:15.30 | helix | hey s0undt3ch! |
| 01:15.32 | Guerin | abrotman: you are Wrong. |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman | Guerin: why? |
| 01:15.37 | s0undt3ch | got a question! |
| 01:15.40 | helix | ask! |
| 01:15.42 | k3k0 | how can i check how much memory i have installed in computer from console |
| 01:15.46 | s0undt3ch | helix, hi! |
| 01:15.48 | Guerin | abrotman: I have to work, but you are. |
| 01:15.48 | helix | !! |
| 01:15.48 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:15.49 | peterS | k3k0: 'free' |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | no wait .. dont' ask .. sit there silently for years |
| 01:15.52 | helix | dpkg: sorry |
| 01:15.52 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 01:15.55 | abrotman | Guerin: you lie! |
| 01:15.58 | helix | :( |
| 01:16.03 | peterS | k3k0: first row, first column |
| 01:16.05 | dabreegster | k3k0: memtest |
| 01:16.25 | dabreegster | k3k0: er, nevermind |
| 01:16.25 | gravity | Gar! Why can apt not find an old version of a package? |
| 01:16.27 | Gnea | tbird: i don't know what else to suggest then.. maybe make sure they aren't muted and that PCM volume is up... |
| 01:16.29 | abrotman | helix: don't your parents have any rush albums at thier house? |
| 01:16.38 | abrotman | !snapshot |
| 01:16.39 | dpkg | from memory, debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 01:16.40 | peterS | gravity: interactive aptitude should be able to |
| 01:16.47 | k3k0 | dabreegster: idnar know memtest.. u mean that memtest disk ? |
| 01:16.52 | gravity | peterS: I've been trying non-interactive... |
| 01:16.52 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:16.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:16.57 | tbird | Gnea: ok well thnx for the help |
| 01:16.58 | helix | no, they like classical and country music |
| 01:17.06 | helix | well, my mom likes barbra streisand |
| 01:17.07 | abrotman | helix: oh jeez .. that sucks :) |
| 01:17.09 | peterS | gravity: well, that ought to work too. but I'd run it interactively to see what the deal is |
| 01:17.15 | s0undt3ch | I'm downloading the debian dvd image with jigdo, can it be interrupted for latter resuming, or will this break the iso |
| 01:17.16 | Gnea | abrotman: my parents never had any rush albums either, i found out about them from someone at school |
| 01:17.16 | citral | hell, my mom too. |
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| 01:17.20 | abrotman | at least my mom made me listen to ella :) |
| 01:17.22 | citral | horrible. |
| 01:17.30 | Gnea | ok |
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| 01:17.35 | peterS | streisand is great if you want celine dion from the previous generation |
| 01:17.38 | gravity | peterS: How do you select an old version interactively? |
| 01:17.38 | Gnea | we need to get some decent sound working |
| 01:17.40 | helix | maybe I have heard rush though |
| 01:17.42 | thingfish | kudos you your mom, abrotman. |
| 01:17.44 | helix | what's a famous song by them? |
| 01:17.46 | abrotman | thingfish: duh :) |
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| 01:17.55 | Gnea | helix: Tom Sawyer |
| 01:17.55 | citral | for luck, my father liked pink floyd. |
| 01:18.00 | peterS | gravity: <Enter> to get into the package screen, then I think you can hit 'i' on the line for the version you want, at the bottom |
| 01:18.02 | helix | hmm, doesn't sound familiar |
| 01:18.08 | Gnea | ok |
| 01:18.10 | thingfish | I mean, to have a parents that were into *jazz*?? Totally cool. |
| 01:18.11 | Gnea | i will hook you up |
| 01:18.16 | peterS | helix: 'working man' |
| 01:18.21 | peterS | but 'tom sawyer' is better-known |
| 01:18.23 | asuffield | streisand was never that great a singer. but she was really good on stage |
| 01:18.25 | citral | thingfish: yeah cool :) |
| 01:18.27 | s0undt3ch | anyone? |
| 01:18.33 | helix | hmm, I don't think I know them then |
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| 01:18.34 | abrotman | Gnea: i gotta say .. i recently found I Think I Can Change The World . .and was astounded |
| 01:18.35 | gravity | Ugh... there's only the one version |
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| 01:18.45 | s0undt3ch | sorry to break yourconversation |
| 01:18.48 | abrotman | well . .not recently .. like 3 years ago :) |
| 01:18.49 | peterS | gravity: does 'apt-cache show' agree? |
| 01:18.56 | joey_ | s0undt3ch, try it i think it might ;) |
| 01:19.07 | joey_ | give it a test now and let us know if it works |
| 01:19.09 | gravity | peterS: Well, the old versions never made it to testing, so they're gone |
| 01:19.11 | s0undt3ch | joey_, might break the iso? |
| 01:19.14 | peterS | ahh |
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| 01:19.20 | peterS | yeah, snapshot then |
| 01:19.25 | hlp | another question, while i'm at fixing things tonight :) i've got laptop compaq easy access button keayboard 88 jeys, (101 compatible) and i need to have my extra keys to work, including most important my FN key..... any tips? acme wouldn't be bad, i'm using kde atm... |
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| 01:19.31 | peterS | gravity: or your own /var/cache/apt/archives (: |
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| 01:19.36 | astronut | so, has anyone tried the new BlackBox yet? |
| 01:19.45 | asuffield | rush, hmm, where have I heard of them from? |
| 01:19.46 | gravity | peterS: Gone :-) |
| 01:19.55 | joey_ | now why would jigdo go create a broken iso! |
| 01:20.00 | thingfish | Rush is from Canada, I believe. |
| 01:20.03 | peterS | asuffield: canadian rock band that has heard of something other than 4/4 time |
| 01:20.05 | thingfish | or was, rather. |
| 01:20.11 | abrotman | erm .. are you sure? |
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| 01:20.26 | robgood | sup |
| 01:20.32 | thingfish | Rush, sorry to say, but it's true - was a total Yes ripoff. |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:20.42 | asuffield | I think Boston is the only canadian stuff in my collection... |
| 01:20.48 | gravity | Er... Rush came before Yes |
| 01:20.52 | gravity | I think |
| 01:20.58 | thingfish | no they didn't gravity, sorry. |
| 01:21.03 | sobersabre | hehehe |
| 01:21.05 | asuffield | damnit, I know I've heard of them someplace |
| 01:21.05 | joey_ | s0undt3ch, i don't think anyone here knows for sure, but I think it will prolly reuse any local files it can when you rerun it |
| 01:21.07 | gravity | Besides, they were pretty different. More rock, less prog |
| 01:21.09 | thingfish | I was alive back then. |
| 01:21.14 | thingfish | yes, more rock. |
| 01:21.18 | helix | when did they come out? |
| 01:21.22 | Gnea | helix: rush was up there with pink floyd and van halen back in the day, of course each had their own level of ereetness |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | thingfish: http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/music/artist/bio/0,,487924,00.html#bio .. you win .. canadian |
| 01:21.26 | peterS | helix: rush? like 1968 |
| 01:21.26 | s0undt3ch | joey_, don't know if want to stop it |
| 01:21.42 | helix | weird, how have I managed not to hear them? |
| 01:21.44 | peterS | helix: they were still making new music in the early 90s though |
| 01:21.46 | joey_ | fair enough; it's your call :) |
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| 01:21.51 | helix | actually, I hadn't heard much pink floyd before either |
| 01:21.52 | gravity | peterS: They're still making music now |
| 01:21.57 | abrotman | rush was formed in 1968 :) |
| 01:21.57 | gravity | Although I heard vapor trails sucked |
| 01:22.00 | peterS | gravity: oh? I didn't know |
| 01:22.04 | tacoofdeath_ | whats the best debian distro? |
| 01:22.06 | peterS | abrotman: heh, I knew I was close (: |
| 01:22.10 | abrotman | tacoofdeath_: debian |
| 01:22.24 | asuffield | ah! they're in the NXE soundtrack |
| 01:22.26 | citral | s0undt3ch: apt-cache show jigdo tells it supports pausing, resuming etc. |
| 01:22.32 | helix | what's NXE? |
| 01:22.37 | soukihei | i just reinstalled my debian workstation, recompiled to 2.6.10 - now gnome says that is can't find any mixer elements when i try to run volume control. kernel sees my soundcard -- any ideas what i am missing? |
| 01:22.52 | asuffield | helix: an evangelion spoof that got out of hand |
| 01:22.54 | Gnea | helix: wow, you've been stuck in the south for too long - there's a whole 'rest of the country and world' out there ;) |
| 01:22.58 | peterS | asuffield: oh dear |
| 01:23.08 | helix | umm |
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| 01:23.14 | Gnea | maybe i'm wrong |
| 01:23.18 | helix | people ... like this? |
| 01:23.24 | abrotman | heheh |
| 01:23.29 | s0undt3ch | joey_, I asked this before but it was for CDR iso's, now, for DVD iso, Normal iso is a litle smaller that NONUS, do I have to DL both if I want the NONUS stuff? |
| 01:23.30 | Gnea | oh u found it |
| 01:23.34 | peterS | helix: tom sawyer *is* pretty catchy, but only if you like that type of thing. it took me awhile to get used to it |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | Gnea: !u |
| 01:23.37 | asuffield | it grew into an insane blend of eva, tomb raider, x-com, and in nomine |
| 01:23.38 | s0undt3ch | citral, thanks |
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| 01:23.57 | helix | this is horrible |
| 01:23.57 | michal_ | has anyone here ever tried to make their own computer case? :/ |
| 01:23.59 | helix | holy shit |
| 01:24.02 | peterS | I knew you would think so (: |
| 01:24.09 | Gnea | helix: it all depends how you read it i guess - if you only pay attention to the lyrics then you probably think it's shit |
| 01:24.20 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:24.21 | peterS | gravity: people did? |
| 01:24.21 | helix | no, I'm not paying attention to the lyrics |
| 01:24.22 | gravity | I mean... it's not black and it's in English, why would she like it? |
| 01:24.27 | Gnea | i see |
| 01:24.29 | peterS | gravity: indeed |
| 01:24.29 | helix | I'm listening to the cheesy sound effects |
| 01:24.29 | citral | helix: I'd be more happy if you'd tell /me listen to Redman but... |
| 01:24.30 | Gnea | well |
| 01:24.37 | Gnea | keep in mind |
| 01:24.42 | gravity | helix: You have to remember, that it's from 1980 |
| 01:24.45 | helix | I don't really like redman |
| 01:24.45 | Gnea | this is well over 20 years old |
| 01:24.51 | helix | gravity: so is legiao urbana!! and they're GREAT |
| 01:24.55 | peterS | haha |
| 01:25.00 | helix | even peterS likes one of their songs sorta |
| 01:25.01 | helix | kinda |
| 01:25.01 | peterS | you call rush cheesy, eh? |
| 01:25.10 | Opiated | cheese |
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| 01:25.17 | Opiated | mozerella |
| 01:25.21 | thingfish | but cheese can be good |
| 01:25.22 | asuffield | /home/asuffield/audio/other/misc/Rush - Limelight.mp3 |
| 01:25.25 | asuffield | go figure. I did have one |
| 01:25.26 | Opiated | yes it can |
| 01:25.27 | thingfish | gorgonzola |
| 01:25.29 | s0undt3ch | do you ppl notice the questions? or is there a noobie debian channel???? |
| 01:25.30 | gravity | helix: Yeah, but they're not in English, so go figure |
| 01:25.40 | helix | true :) |
| 01:25.46 | helix | but they're still from the 80s! |
| 01:25.54 | gravity | So was Oingo Boingo |
| 01:25.58 | gravity | And REM |
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| 01:26.06 | peterS | helix: I guess geddy lee (of rush) does have the disadvantage of being able to sing in tune |
| 01:26.12 | helix | haha |
| 01:26.17 | helix | too bad he screeches like a banshee |
| 01:26.20 | peterS | well, so he does |
| 01:26.22 | helix | is WHAT YOU SAAAAAAAAY <windows breaking> |
| 01:26.23 | Opiated | singing is overrated |
| 01:26.27 | Opiated | goddamn american idol |
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| 01:26.46 | helix | peterS: I admit that the original song I gave you was bad, but c'mon, the others were much better |
| 01:26.57 | peterS | helix: perhaps, perhaps. |
| 01:26.58 | Opiated | at least in that country version of ameican idol hosted by leanne rhymes they givem them an instrument |
| 01:27.02 | thingfish | real americans *like* American Idol. |
| 01:27.19 | Opiated | american idol is for a bunch of losers who know nothing of music |
| 01:27.19 | helix | peterS: hoje a noite não tem luar was the out of tune one |
| 01:27.23 | peterS | Opiated: that wouldn't fly in the pop world. nobody can sing *and* play *and* look good in pop |
| 01:27.23 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:27.25 | gravity | yay zsh |
| 01:27.27 | helix | but Ãndios was the one with good guitar |
| 01:27.28 | helix | mmm, zsh |
| 01:27.31 | Opiated | you can find better talent in a church |
| 01:27.34 | geordie | rush, jesus |
| 01:27.35 | s0undt3ch | man it's dificult to get answers from you!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:27.42 | geordie | toronto prog rock |
| 01:27.44 | Opiated | s0undt3ch, what is the problem |
| 01:27.44 | citral | !annoy s0undt3ch |
| 01:27.44 | helix | s0undt3ch: did you ask a question? |
| 01:27.44 | dpkg | s0undt3ch: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 01:27.49 | thingfish | vejo que alguma outra pessoa fala portugues. |
| 01:27.57 | helix | heh |
| 01:28.11 | s0undt3ch | um tuga |
| 01:28.12 | geordie | the drummer from rush is on trial right now in florida for assault on a cop |
| 01:28.19 | gaasfet | no chiga |
| 01:28.19 | helix | thingfish: só falo um pouquinho |
| 01:28.20 | s0undt3ch | será que responde a questões? |
| 01:28.21 | gravity | Poor Neil |
| 01:28.21 | peterS | geordie: eh? interesting |
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| 01:28.25 | dondelelcaro | s0undt3ch: there's no point to downloading the nonus iso. |
| 01:28.25 | geordie | yeah |
| 01:28.29 | thingfish | helix: eu tambem. |
| 01:28.32 | asuffield | helix: quit encouraging them, damn you |
| 01:28.43 | helix | heh |
| 01:28.46 | geordie | peterS: not the drummer, the guitar player |
| 01:28.49 | peterS | gravity: now now, you were just showing off that you know the guy's name (: |
| 01:28.52 | s0undt3ch | dondelelcaro, why not? |
| 01:28.52 | helix | s0undt3ch: you have to ask a question :) |
| 01:29.00 | s0undt3ch | i asked |
| 01:29.03 | gravity | peterS: He went through a lot. The guitar player, Alex, not so much |
| 01:29.04 | dondelelcaro | s0undt3ch: because there's almost nothing of utility on it. |
| 01:29.06 | helix | oh ok |
| 01:29.08 | thingfish | s0undt3ch: nao em portugues, pode ir a #debian-br |
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| 01:29.10 | peterS | gravity: ok, fair enough |
| 01:29.11 | s0undt3ch | I asked this before but it was for CDR iso's, now, for DVD iso, Normal iso is a litle smaller that NONUS, do I have to DL both if I want the NONUS stuff? |
| 01:29.17 | gravity | peterS: Neil lost his daughter and wife within the span of a year |
| 01:29.23 | peterS | that's harsh |
| 01:29.26 | s0undt3ch | gnupg |
| 01:29.26 | helix | ouch |
| 01:29.30 | gravity | Yeah. Car accident then cancer. |
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| 01:29.30 | dondelelcaro | s0undt3ch: you don't care about the nonus stuff. There's no point in even wondering about it. |
| 01:29.32 | gravity | Really really sad |
| 01:29.37 | s0undt3ch | so 4.1 Gigs of nothing usefull? |
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| 01:29.47 | peterS | s0undt3ch: non-us isn't 4.1 gigs |
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| 01:29.51 | dondelelcaro | s0undt3ch: gnupg is not in non-us. |
| 01:30.02 | asuffield | peterS: might be for a complete mirror |
| 01:30.04 | s0undt3ch | my tmp file is |
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| 01:30.10 | anhi | ubuntu keeps updating it's xorg deb's, forces me to restart xorg every few days :/ |
| 01:30.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell s0undt3ch about crypto in main |
| 01:30.12 | s0undt3ch | still downloading |
| 01:30.14 | peterS | asuffield: ahh, or a set of cd images including non-us |
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| 01:30.26 | geordie | i saw a documentary about this guy who was searching for his biological family. turns out his brother was neil or alex from rush, can't remember which |
| 01:30.38 | geordie | so the dude was stoked |
| 01:30.41 | citral | anhi: you may complain to #ubuntu |
| 01:30.47 | thingfish | wow, that would be fun, instant rock star connections. |
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| 01:31.03 | peterS | thingfish: it worked out for liv tyler |
| 01:31.04 | anhi | citral: nah, i prefer complaining here that i want official debian packes ;) |
| 01:31.07 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:31.28 | quitte | in which package is cat? |
| 01:31.31 | thingfish | peterS: it sure did. |
| 01:31.31 | citral | anhi: run! install debian |
| 01:31.59 | BadMan | what version of debian includes xfree 3.3.6? |
| 01:32.05 | peterS | BadMan: woody |
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| 01:32.07 | anhi | citral: i'm on sid, just get my xorg from ubuntu :/ |
| 01:32.12 | asuffield | potato, I think |
| 01:32.12 | peterS | BadMan: and potato, I think |
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| 01:32.19 | thingfish | oh that's awful, anhi |
| 01:32.23 | BadMan | hmm, how do I specify it at install time? |
| 01:32.24 | citral | anhi: sucks to be you. It's likely to break. |
| 01:32.25 | asuffield | woody only has the server |
| 01:32.26 | thingfish | tsk tsk |
| 01:32.26 | peterS | woody ships mostly xfree86 4.1.0 but still has the X servers from 3.3.6 |
| 01:32.31 | BadMan | i have r4 |
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| 01:32.44 | peterS | BadMan: there are packages named 'xserver-svga' and so forth |
| 01:32.48 | peterS | BadMan: those are xfree86 3.3.6 |
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| 01:32.59 | hrishi | apt tell hrishi about woody->sid |
| 01:33.05 | quitte | that was a serious question. |
| 01:33.09 | BadMan | ok, kewl wanna try debian on my old thinkpad paper weight |
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| 01:33.35 | Wyzard | BadMan: Interesting timing... I just turned on my Thinkpad T20, which does run Debian |
| 01:33.36 | resiak | quitte: dpkg -S /bin/cat |
| 01:33.46 | BadMan | Wyzard: 760xl hehe |
| 01:34.04 | citral | quitte: coreutils I think |
| 01:34.11 | Wyzard | BadMan: I've also run it on a 600E and a 770 |
| 01:34.13 | quitte | resiak,citral thanks |
| 01:34.21 | gberardi | I'm reinstalling and want to change my partition scheme (someone years ago when I was learning had me make a 50 MB /tmp partition). Anyone have tips on a good partition scheme for a 40GB drive? |
| 01:34.42 | BadMan | I am finding that woody will run witha littl ework on xserver |
| 01:34.43 | gberardi | Or at least know a resource that doesn't assume I am dual booting with Windows |
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| 01:35.04 | citral | gberardi: depends on your the use (desktop, mail server...) |
| 01:35.07 | Wyzard | gberardi: I prefer to use a separate small /boot partition at the beginning of the drive... aside from that, though, I'd probably just use one big partition |
| 01:35.09 | BadMan | I will never make a /boot under 200mb no matter what |
| 01:35.14 | Wyzard | gberardi: for a desktop system, at least |
| 01:35.21 | Wyzard | BadMan: Why not? |
| 01:35.30 | BadMan | multiple kernels fills it up fast |
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| 01:36.01 | gberardi | Well, I use it as a desktop system, but I also develop, play games, and I run apache and ssh on it. |
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| 01:36.09 | Wyzard | BadMan: You're not going to fill up 200MB unless you have a few hundred kernels |
| 01:36.22 | gberardi | And I don't need to leave a lot of room in /home since I have a larger hard drive for data if I need it |
| 01:36.22 | sparr_ | is there a way for me to delete files on a NTFS partition from linux? |
| 01:36.22 | s0undt3ch | citral, errrr look here -> http://pastebin.com/264571 <- how do I resume it? |
| 01:36.35 | BadMan | well Iw ont fall vicitim to what I fell to before trying to install anew kernel and ran out of space on /boot 8-( |
| 01:36.36 | fflush | sparr_> yeah |
| 01:36.41 | Wyzard | gberardi: Why not use the larger drive as /home, then? |
| 01:36.42 | resiak | !tell sparr_ about captiventfs |
| 01:36.55 | Gnea | of course, considering swap |
| 01:36.56 | sparr_ | thanks |
| 01:36.59 | citral | s0undt3ch: man jigdo |
| 01:37.00 | resiak | sparr_: You generally want to fear writing to NTFS disks from Linux, though. |
| 01:37.10 | BadMan | a even setaside 1g for /tmp |
| 01:37.13 | sussudio | 5GB /badger 2GB /mushroom 1GB /snaaake |
| 01:37.17 | Wyzard | gberardi: I have Debian on a 20GB drive but half of it is left unpartitioned... /home is separate |
| 01:37.17 | s0undt3ch | no man pages found, I compiled jigdo from source |
| 01:37.25 | dabreegster | I have a huge /home partition, so when space is tight elsewhere, I just do a symlink. |
| 01:37.29 | sparr_ | resiak: well, i dont have windows any more :( |
| 01:37.31 | gberardi | Wyzard: mainly because I prefer to mount it separately and refer to it as backup. I backup ~ to it, |
| 01:37.37 | Gnea | sparr_: there's another ntfs module u can get that allows better access |
| 01:37.47 | resiak | Gnea: I pointed him at captiventfs |
| 01:37.52 | misfitx7 | can a kernel be compiled on an architecture different from the machine it is intended for? |
| 01:37.55 | s0undt3ch | soorry typo about man |
| 01:37.57 | citral | oh please stop with this "u" |
| 01:38.01 | Wyzard | BadMan: /boot on my T20 has one kernel installed, and 9MB used. Even 50MB would be plenty of breathing room. |
| 01:38.07 | Gnea | U U U |
| 01:38.10 | gberardi | BadMan: heh, I had only 50MB which made downloading demos and videos kind of painful |
| 01:38.16 | Gnea | what u can't read |
| 01:38.24 | citral | idiot |
| 01:38.26 | resiak | sparr_: If you don't have the WinXP NTFS driver lying around, then you can't use captiventfs. If you can't use captiventfs, you don't want to write to NTFS in any way. |
| 01:38.27 | Gnea | moron |
| 01:38.33 | resiak | !u |
| 01:38.33 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:38.39 | Gnea | fu |
| 01:38.42 | resiak | !factstats u |
| 01:38.42 | Gnea | ::P |
| 01:38.45 | Wyzard | gberardi: You can create multiple partitions on the big drive. Even better, use LVM. |
| 01:38.54 | Gnea | !facist u |
| 01:39.03 | resiak | !factinfo u |
| 01:39.03 | dpkg | u -- last modified at Thu Nov 25 13:56:09 2004 by ricky_clarkson!~ricky@h-69-3-31-82.snvacaid.covad.net; it has been requested 381 times, last by resiak, 30s ago; it has been locked by . |
| 01:39.07 | joey_ | actually why not U given that we already use I? |
| 01:39.15 | s0undt3ch | citral, great info on man how do I resume???? |
| 01:39.15 | gberardi | Wyzard: true, but I'm already set on leaving it as one big partition that I use for data storage and backups. |
| 01:39.33 | Gnea | look at these kiddies going apeshit over a letter |
| 01:39.37 | paster | "BadMan" at 216.227.38.7 pasted "my partion with 10gb and 40gb disks" (15 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/386 |
| 01:39.44 | Wyzard | gberardi: Do what you prefer, but it seems irrational to me :-) |
| 01:39.49 | shaw | I am a new person to debian and linux. I just installed debian on my sony laptop. I have everything working except the sound. I cannot change the sounds settings, because the volume control applet says that there is no device or mixer elements. Where can i go to find the solution.... someone said you guys could help me out. |
| 01:39.50 | dabreegster | Are there any prebuilt x86 kernels available with the bootsplash patch? |
| 01:39.51 | gberardi | Wyzard: although now that you mention it, I do tend to use it as a second home. |
| 01:39.54 | Gnea | citral: commercialize the internet some more why dont ya |
| 01:39.58 | citral | s0undt3ch: I don't have jigdo, so I can't tell. But "man jigdo" will tell you. I guess something like jigdo -r (resume) |
| 01:40.28 | resiak | shaw: How did you install Debian? Did you install the version which goes by the name of Sarge ? |
| 01:40.34 | s0undt3ch | I dont have man for jigdo only for jigdo-lite jigdo-file jigdo mirror |
| 01:40.42 | Wyzard | gberardi: I have a 440GB LVM of three drives, which contains my /home, one or two other smaller filesystems, and a bunch of free space... I often create temporary volumes for temporary backups (while repartitioning another system, for example) and it's very convenient to be able to do that without rebooting |
| 01:40.50 | shaw | yes, i installed sarge via netinstall |
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| 01:41.34 | Wyzard | s0undt3ch: jigdo-lite is what you need for downloading images... you only need jigdo if you want to build new jigdo images |
| 01:41.45 | reagleBRKLN | i have '/dev/hda6 none swap defaults 0 0' in my fstab, but i have to manually type 'swapon -a' at root prompt to turn swamp on, is this normal? |
| 01:41.51 | resiak | shaw: Do you know what sound chip your laptop has? |
| 01:41.58 | s0undt3ch | Wyzard, I dont have 'jigdo' |
| 01:42.09 | gberardi | Wyzard: That's a lot of space. My big drive is 120GB, and I just bought a 160GB drive that I was going to put in a second machine. |
| 01:42.20 | shaw | resiak, not off the top of my head... hold on I will go to sony to see |
| 01:42.22 | Wyzard | s0undt3ch: And as I said, you probably don't need it. What are you trying to do? |
| 01:42.39 | citral | s0undt3ch: whatever. with jigdo-lite: To resume a half-finished download, enter name of .jigdo file |
| 01:42.43 | s0undt3ch | Wyzard, resume a canceled download |
| 01:42.56 | shaw | resiak, unless you know a way to determine the sound card via debian |
| 01:42.56 | Wyzard | gberardi: I got 40GB "for free" recently, actually... the 80GB drive failed and I sent it back to Seagate, and they sent me a 120GB drive as replacement |
| 01:43.04 | gberardi | nice |
| 01:43.14 | Wyzard | s0undt3ch: A plain old HTTP download with a web browser? |
| 01:43.15 | abrotman | lspci! |
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| 01:43.31 | Wyzard | s0undt3ch: That's not what jigdo is for |
| 01:43.59 | s0undt3ch | Wyzard, ??? No!!!! I usiung my box to get a debian DVD iso |
| 01:44.07 | abrotman | lspci! |
| 01:44.21 | abrotman | s0undt3ch: you can bittorent it |
| 01:44.32 | citral | s0undt3ch: did you listen to me? jigdo-lite file.jigdo to resume; jigdo-lite url to begin |
| 01:44.38 | resiak | shaw: Actually, I'm about to get out of here for the night -- sorry. Run the command "lspci" in a terminal and look for what looks like a sound card name. I hope someone else can help :) |
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| 01:44.42 | Wyzard | s0undt3ch: OK, I'm halfway wrong. There's a package called "jigdo" which is a GTK download manager, and is completely unrelated to the *other* jigdo |
| 01:44.43 | bbrazil | reagleBRKLN: no, dunno why it does that, but my 4th col is 'sw' not 'defaults' |
| 01:44.55 | abrotman | oh . not for dvd |
| 01:44.57 | reagleBRKLN | ok will try that |
| 01:45.03 | s0undt3ch | Wyzard, not using GTK |
| 01:45.04 | Wyzard | s0undt3ch: However, if you're downloading a Debian DVD, you should be using either bittorrent or that *other* jigdo (the one in the "jigdo-lite" package) |
| 01:45.05 | joey_ | s0undt3ch, the message says it will copy parts which are of interest to it. maybe just trust it and try it? |
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| 01:45.23 | s0undt3ch | Wyzard, which other? |
| 01:45.26 | gberardi | Wyzard: ok, I'm thinking giving 10 GB to /home, and using symlinks to my big drive when I need it. Then giving the other 30GB to the rest of the system. |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | how do you get an eu.org address? |
| 01:45.41 | abrotman | oh . .they are free :) |
| 01:45.54 | s0undt3ch | joey_, citral If I try to resume it says I will delete the temp ISO.... |
| 01:45.55 | shaw | resiak, Yamaha Corporation YMF-744B [DS-1S Audio Controller] |
| 01:46.04 | s0undt3ch | I = it |
| 01:46.14 | shaw | ok, thanks for the help resiak |
| 01:46.18 | s0undt3ch | !"#$!$ joey_, citral If I try to resume it says I will delete the temp ISO.... |
| 01:46.22 | s0undt3ch | dam |
| 01:46.27 | citral | n |
| 01:46.28 | abrotman | damn |
| 01:46.29 | s0undt3ch | dam keys |
| 01:46.51 | Wyzard | gberardi: I use symlinks too... I actually lied slightly; /home is a 10GB RAID-1 spanning two of those drives, and /home2 is the big filesystem in the LVM... each user has a ~/bulk symlink which points to their directory in /home2 |
| 01:47.00 | Wyzard | gberardi: It works reasonably well, but it's a bit of an annoyance sometime |
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| 01:47.07 | citral | s0undt3ch: anyway, are you really SURE you want to download a whole DVD? are you aware that there is a 100 MB network installer? |
| 01:47.23 | Wyzard | There's one smaller than 100MB too |
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| 01:48.03 | Wyzard | s0undt3ch: You're downloading a DVD containing *every* package available in Debian, but it's unlikely that you'll ever actually install most of them |
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| 01:48.13 | gberardi | I almost forgot swap. Does the 2x(amount of memory you have in system) rule still apply? |
| 01:48.19 | shaw | could someone help me get the Yamaha Corporation YMF-744B [DS-1S Aud io Controller] (rev 02) to work? |
| 01:48.20 | joey_ | My first Debian started at 22Meg, got the rest over 56k modem :) |
| 01:48.26 | s0undt3ch | citral, http://pastebin.com/264579 |
| 01:48.36 | citral | s0undt3ch: anyway, are you really SURE you want to download a whole DVD? are you aware that there is a 100 MB network installer? |
| 01:48.41 | Wyzard | gberardi: swap = (amount of memory you wish you had) - (amount of memory you actually have) |
| 01:48.55 | s0undt3ch | Yeah I got it the firs time... |
| 01:49.01 | gberardi | Wyzard: thanks |
| 01:49.01 | nemo | Wyzard: I don't have enough drive space for that rule :P |
| 01:49.03 | s0undt3ch | f*cking keys |
| 01:49.06 | Wyzard | gberardi: There was a time, a few years ago, when I had 12GB of swap |
| 01:49.08 | s0undt3ch | Yeah I got it the first time... |
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| 01:49.14 | remote | dpkg: python ?? |
| 01:49.14 | dpkg | it has been said that python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see http://python.org/topics/learn/ |
| 01:49.18 | remote | dpkg: python2.3 ?? |
| 01:49.25 | remote | dpkg: python2.4 ?? |
| 01:49.32 | phogg | Wyzard: what ever did you use it for? |
| 01:49.34 | joey_ | s0undt3ch, press Enter. What have you got to lost? |
| 01:49.38 | joey_ | *lose* |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | remote: what about it? |
| 01:49.40 | s0undt3ch | because I have international limits and don't know if there are a lot of PT mirror |
| 01:49.45 | abrotman | !tell remote about search |
| 01:49.47 | remote | anyone knows a backport of python2.3 at least ? |
| 01:49.50 | Wyzard | phogg: I didn't... I just had 10GB unpartitioned on my Debian drive so I made a second swap partition |
| 01:49.52 | abrotman | !backports |
| 01:49.52 | dpkg | well, backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 01:50.08 | calin | I'm having problems with browsing websites. I use the mozilla browser from the suite, i run debian with a 2.6.10 kernel and apache 1.3 on the same machine i'm browsing on and i keep getting my own webserver for everything, livejournal.com, google.com, etc etc |
| 01:50.10 | s0undt3ch | joey_, I will loose what I've downloaded |
| 01:50.10 | Wyzard | phogg: It later got turned into a FAT32 partition to use as backup for a Windows reinstall, and I haven't bothered cleaning it out after that |
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| 01:50.49 | Gnea | calin: what happens if you shutdown the apache? |
| 01:50.51 | TimbrWolf | can you run debian woody on a amd64 processor? |
| 01:50.53 | dabreegster | Does anybody have experience with patching a kernel from kernel-source-2.6.8 with the gensplash or bootsplash patch? |
| 01:50.55 | s0undt3ch | anyway it's late now, I'll start it from scratch tomorrow |
| 01:51.05 | s0undt3ch | thanks ppl! |
| 01:51.07 | Wyzard | TimbrWolf: Not in 64-bit mode, but sure, amd64 can run in 32-bit mode just fine |
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| 01:51.33 | TimbrWolf | Wyzard: Even with a sata hard drive? |
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| 01:51.48 | Gnea | TimbrWolf: maybe, but it won't be pretty - woody is old and doesn't support the latest hardware |
| 01:51.51 | OO-Dragon | Hello i need assistance |
| 01:51.58 | abrotman | !ask |
| 01:51.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 01:52.00 | calin | Gnea: it just complains about not being able to connect to the server. it solves itself after a little while and finally resolves to the correct IP, but until then it just redirects to me |
| 01:52.05 | TimbrWolf | What about sarge? |
| 01:52.19 | OO-Dragon | What linux disturbution is easy to use (used windows most of life) and has NDIS installed |
| 01:52.22 | Gnea | calin: you running a firewall or nat or anything? |
| 01:52.23 | OO-Dragon | NDISwrapper |
| 01:52.23 | remote | apt-get.org ?? |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | !tell TimbrWolf about amd64 |
| 01:52.32 | Wyzard | TimbrWolf: dunno about that... you'll have to upgrade your kernel to one that supports SATA, and such a kernel-source package might not exist in woody so you'd have to grab it from sarge or sid |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | TimbrWolf: and yes .. sarge should be ok .. |
| 01:52.37 | remote | that's like the super non-official packages |
| 01:52.39 | abrotman | TimbrWolf: the 32bit sarge |
| 01:52.53 | Gnea | OO-Dragon: Debian GNU/Linux you can install ndiswrapper but it is not installed by default |
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| 01:53.06 | wilbertoki | hello everyone |
| 01:53.10 | abrotman | !info ndiswrapper-source sarge |
| 01:53.16 | calin | Gnea: no nat no firewall tha ti know of |
| 01:53.22 | Wyzard | TimbrWolf: and you'll have to find a way to get the system installed initially... probably either building a customized installer with your SATA-supporting kernel, or using a different ATA controller for installation |
| 01:53.24 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.12+1.0rc2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 01:53.33 | TimbrWolf | Thanks abrotman and Wyzard |
| 01:53.42 | joey_ | OO-Dragon, my most recent Debian installs I performed from a bootable morphix.org CD. |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: many sata controllers work with sarge by default |
| 01:53.44 | ysothoth | OO-Dragon: Give #knoppix a spin, they have a great bootable cd that might be what you are looking for. |
| 01:53.50 | Gnea | calin: then how is DNS telling all outgoing sites that localhost is the only true authorative site? |
| 01:53.55 | abrotman | no .. no knoppix |
| 01:53.59 | wilbertoki | what kind of speeds do you guys get for ripping a cd? sound juicer is only ripping at .4x for me |
| 01:54.01 | abrotman | knoppix is for ... |
| 01:54.05 | ysothoth | If he goes to #knoppix |
| 01:54.09 | calin | Gnea: no clue |
| 01:54.11 | ysothoth | Just a suggestion :) |
| 01:54.16 | abrotman | ysothoth: why would knoppix work any better? |
| 01:54.24 | Gnea | calin: then that is what you want to find out |
| 01:54.26 | ysothoth | It would detect his hardware |
| 01:54.28 | Wyzard | abrotman: I was going to suggest using D-I... that used to ask which branch (stable, testing, unstable) you want to install, but I think nowadays it just goes ahead and installs sarge, and he wants woody |
| 01:54.29 | abrotman | ysothoth: why does the sata support in knoppix appear to be better than sarge? |
| 01:54.31 | OO-Dragon | Hehe how do you send to a spicific person? :P and i want to have it installed on my driver (made partition) |
| 01:54.32 | joey_ | abrotman, i recommended morphix because the gtk installer is nice and easy |
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| 01:54.42 | peterS | Wyzard: I think in expert mode it still asks |
| 01:54.46 | abrotman | right .. ncurses is so hard |
| 01:54.49 | citral | tiens, there is no such ndiswrapper on ppc. Is that somehow arch specific? |
| 01:54.52 | SiliconViper | Question: If two versions of something are available with apt, how do I tell it to install a specific one? |
| 01:54.53 | ysothoth | abrotman: How the hell am I supposed to know? I use debian |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | ysothoth: then why send him to knoppix dumbass? |
| 01:55.08 | dabreegster | I can't find a bootsplash patch for 2.6.8-10 (kernel-source-2.6.8 in testing), and the 2.6.8-0-testing9 patch gives me a bunch of errors. What do I do? |
| 01:55.09 | ysothoth | oh boy |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | he's asking about sata support |
| 01:55.29 | abrotman | not a cutesy fucking installer |
| 01:55.32 | ysothoth | Ndiswrapper, no? |
| 01:55.38 | abrotman | which is in debian no? |
| 01:55.42 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | just not precompiled |
| 01:56.02 | gravity | module-assistant++ |
| 01:56.04 | ysothoth | It is not "Easy to use then" |
| 01:56.04 | SiliconViper | ... Sarge has SATA support out-of-the box. |
| 01:56.05 | Gnea | ndiswrapper is a bloody wireless compatibility layer using winXP drivers, geez |
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| 01:56.15 | OO-Dragon | Yep |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | ysothoth: says you .. but maybe that says something about you |
| 01:56.18 | citral | arg |
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| 01:56.25 | citral | that's why |
| 01:56.28 | ysothoth | abrotman: He asked for something "easy to use" |
| 01:56.37 | OO-Dragon | Ok. |
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| 01:56.38 | ysothoth | abrotman: Damn man I will never say that word again here |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | ysothoth: "easy" is subjective |
| 01:56.42 | gravity | ndiswrapper in debian is pretty easy |
| 01:56.43 | SiliconViper | ... my 9-year-old brother uses Debian with no confusion. |
| 01:56.45 | OO-Dragon | This is true |
| 01:56.48 | joey_ | windows users like using the mouse |
| 01:56.48 | Gnea | yeah it is |
| 01:56.49 | dabreegster | What's that website with all the debian kernel patches? |
| 01:56.49 | gravity | Not simple, but pretty easy still |
| 01:56.50 | ysothoth | Sorry for freaking you out man |
| 01:56.56 | peterS | Gnea: well, it's not limited to wireless - just, wireless is the only networking area that linux doesn't have excellent driver support for |
| 01:56.57 | Wyzard | SiliconViper: Does he admin it, or just use it? :-) |
| 01:57.00 | joey_ | or maybe they are just waiting to try ncurses ;) |
| 01:57.01 | SiliconViper | Anyone who says Debian is hard to use, just isn't trying hard enough. |
| 01:57.04 | Gnea | you just apt-get install ndiswrapper-source and pick it apart in /usr/src |
| 01:57.09 | zinx | dabreegster: ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 01:57.11 | Wyzard | dabreegster: apt-cache search kernel-patch |
| 01:57.14 | citral | SiliconViper: amen. |
| 01:57.16 | SiliconViper | Wyzard, just as a desktop os. He handles updating, installing, etc. |
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| 01:57.21 | dabreegster | zinx: no, that's not it |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | SiliconViper: your brother can't use a swing though :) |
| 01:57.28 | dabreegster | Wyzard: maybe |
| 01:57.28 | helix | my mom seems to get by fine with debian |
| 01:57.36 | SiliconViper | abrotman, pardon? |
| 01:57.36 | Gron | is there a way to get a file on a server to my desktop without ftp? maybe though a email or something? |
| 01:57.37 | stew | yer mom |
| 01:57.39 | Gnea | peterS: true, but ndiswrapper helps bigtime in that department, i've gotten several wireless cards working with it |
| 01:57.47 | gravity | Your mom gets by fine with debian |
| 01:57.48 | gravity | er... |
| 01:57.49 | dabreegster | Wyzard: I feel stupid. All that trouble and there's a kernel-patch-bootsplash. |
| 01:57.55 | Gnea | helix: funny, so does mine |
| 01:57.55 | Wyzard | My manager at work installed Debian on HPPA today, successfully |
| 01:57.57 | abrotman | SiliconViper: joke ? :) |
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| 01:58.05 | gberardi | ok, I'm a little nervous because the Sarge installer doesn't make it clear how I can tell it NOT to touch hdb1 |
| 01:58.05 | SiliconViper | abrotman, joke I didn't get? |
| 01:58.07 | maher | helix: aw shucks... my mum uses debian too... |
| 01:58.09 | stew | god i wish i could get my parents to try debian |
| 01:58.10 | peterS | Gnea: does she maintain it, or outsource that to you? |
| 01:58.10 | Wyzard | dabreegster: I use kernel-patch-debianlogo :-) |
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| 01:58.12 | dabreegster | Hmm, anyone know why kernel-patch-bootsplash has no installation candidate? |
| 01:58.15 | abrotman | SiliconViper: apparently |
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| 01:58.20 | stew | so i could stop having to tell them how to fix their netowrking in windows |
| 01:58.20 | Gnea | peterS: outsource lol |
| 01:58.24 | abrotman | helix: if it's so easy for your mom .. what's your problem? :) |
| 01:58.25 | SiliconViper | abrotman, *shrug* |
| 01:58.26 | joey_ | Gron, what access do you have to the server? |
| 01:58.28 | helix | I still have some stuff to teach my mom |
| 01:58.36 | helix | abrotman: I don't have any problems with debian :) |
| 01:58.46 | peterS | abrotman: there's a big difference between using and maintaining a system. most of these people's moms probably don't actually do the sysadminning |
| 01:58.47 | travisat | dabreegster: I have had better success with those from www.bootsplash.de |
| 01:58.47 | gravity | My parents fear this Linux thing. |
| 01:58.52 | dabreegster | Wyzard: I dont seem to have that. You on sarge? |
| 01:59.01 | Wyzard | dabreegster: There doesn't seem to be any such package |
| 01:59.05 | gravity | Of course, I'm not around to administer the machine, so... |
| 01:59.07 | Wyzard | dabreegster: sid, btw |
| 01:59.11 | dabreegster | travisat: I couldnt find a patch for 2.6.8-10 |
| 01:59.15 | Gnea | FUD RUCKERS |
| 01:59.17 | dabreegster | Wyzard: ah |
| 01:59.18 | abrotman | peterS: i understand .. and you're right .. i thought about getting my mom a linux box or mac . and i'm not sure i want the headache of either |
| 01:59.20 | Gnea | hrm |
| 01:59.20 | Gron | is there a way to get a file on a server to my desktop without ftp? maybe though a email or something? |
| 01:59.23 | Gnea | FUD WRECKERS |
| 01:59.26 | peterS | abrotman: exactly |
| 01:59.28 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:59.31 | citral | helix: like teaching her to use apt-get and so |
| 01:59.35 | citral | ? |
| 01:59.38 | helix | yeah |
| 01:59.38 | travisat | dabreegster: the 2.6.8 bootsplash patch on www.bootsplash.de should patch cleanly agains the debian kernel |
| 01:59.43 | jetscreamer | i don't care for fudrucker's anymore |
| 01:59.45 | maher | Gron: wget? |
| 01:59.45 | abrotman | peterS: nevermind that her 56k modem can only get about 28.8 where she lives :) |
| 01:59.47 | Wyzard | dabreegster: Just grab the sid one... it just got upgraded today, in fact, to cleanly support current kernels |
| 01:59.53 | dabreegster | travisat: and the one for 2.6.8 had a bunch of errors |
| 01:59.54 | pseubodot | scp? |
| 01:59.55 | jetscreamer | scp |
| 01:59.58 | dabreegster | Wyzard: alright |
| 01:59.58 | Gron | maher to get from the server to a windows desktop? |
| 02:00.00 | Gnea | jetscreamer: there's one just down the street. i've never eaten there. |
| 02:00.01 | helix | I added her to sudoers, I'm hoping this wasn't a mistake |
| 02:00.05 | dabreegster | travisat: I'll try again I guess |
| 02:00.07 | travisat | dabreegster: it did? |
| 02:00.07 | peterS | abrotman: I can't move my parents to linux until they become able to afford non-free internet access |
| 02:00.07 | helix | but gnome is just fine for her so far |
| 02:00.11 | travisat | dabreegster: hmmm |
| 02:00.13 | maher | Gron: how is the file being served? |
| 02:00.16 | peterS | abrotman: free meaning those endless aol free trials and whatnot |
| 02:00.22 | Gron | just on the server |
| 02:00.32 | Gnea | yeah, gnome is pretty cool with the parental factor |
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| 02:00.36 | maher | helix: heh - my mum doesn't know the root password... |
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| 02:00.38 | abrotman | peterS: netscape.net ? |
| 02:00.38 | Gron | it is a backup mysql file , but i need to import it to phpmyadmin |
| 02:00.44 | dabreegster | travisat: yeah, something about the files not matching up. Let me get the exact error... |
| 02:00.45 | buu | HAI HELIX |
| 02:00.46 | Gron | but i need it on my desktop |
| 02:00.48 | helix | buuuuuuuu |
| 02:00.51 | joey_ | Gron, you need to be more specific. Do you have ssh access? Is it a webserver? |
| 02:01.00 | Gron | i have root ssh |
| 02:01.01 | buu | helix: What's up |
| 02:01.07 | abrotman | peterS: not cheap enough? |
| 02:01.07 | helix | heh |
| 02:01.09 | buu | I really need to find that script =[ |
| 02:01.12 | Wyzard | Gron: Then use scp |
| 02:01.12 | helix | it's back on, eh? |
| 02:01.13 | jetscreamer | Gron: scp |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | well .. that's unexpected :) |
| 02:01.15 | buu | No =[ |
| 02:01.16 | zignig | helix: bleh , to you and you cats. |
| 02:01.17 | buu | That was manual. |
| 02:01.20 | maher | Gron: use an scp client, like pscp from putty or winscp |
| 02:01.21 | joey_ | ok if you have konqueror you could try sftp://address.of.server |
| 02:01.23 | helix | zignig: bleh |
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| 02:01.27 | peterS | abrotman: they don't use the internet enough to make it worth their while to pay anything at all. juno.com for email, mainly |
| 02:01.36 | setnf | good night, anyone knows any software to makes movie from my screen on debian (.avi) ? |
| 02:01.38 | Wyzard | Gnea: No, but that's what I think of every time I see your nick :-) |
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| 02:01.46 | joey_ | which appears to pipe through ssh |
| 02:01.47 | Gnea | Wyzard: you think wrong :) |
| 02:01.54 | jetscreamer | setnf: xine-ui |
| 02:01.54 | abrotman | peterS: ah .. gotcha |
| 02:02.01 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 02:02.05 | r3v | I have odd question... is there an easy way to reinstall everything installed with apt-get? |
| 02:02.10 | setnf | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 02:02.19 | jetscreamer | or linuxvideostudio |
| 02:02.24 | citral | r3v: odd |
| 02:02.26 | gberardi | ok, I found that the installer doesn't specify that if you don't change the partition table, it won't actually write the changes on that drive. |
| 02:02.27 | r3v | or should i just start from scratch and reinstall |
| 02:02.28 | jetscreamer | depending if you mean play an avi or make |
| 02:02.29 | bob2 | r3v: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 02:02.31 | peterS | abrotman: with their existing OS lockin, I see no real harm in their winmodem. but that'd be another barrier (: |
| 02:02.53 | abrotman | peterS: my winmodem in my laptop works ok |
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| 02:03.00 | r3v | bob2: thanx |
| 02:03.11 | r3v | bob2: guess it's not that odd if dpkg has an entry for it :) |
| 02:03.15 | abrotman | peterS: high loads freak it out sometimes |
| 02:03.22 | peterS | abrotman: yeah. they work. they're wasteful of the CPU but most people, including my parents, aren't heavily using their CPU when they're dialing in to poll for email |
| 02:03.27 | bob2 | r3v: heh |
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| 02:03.30 | stew | gberardi: if you don't change it, why would it write the changes you didn't make? |
| 02:03.51 | cafuego | Is there a way to make nautilus-cd-burner write an ISO to disc? |
| 02:04.14 | bob2 | cafuego: can you right click on it? |
| 02:04.15 | Gnea | helix: my mother was diggin' Enlightenment for awhile but that whole wannabe E+gnome integration back in the day just wasn't doing any good, eventually the new gnome came out and she became much happier with it |
| 02:04.22 | gberardi | stew: that's what I was thinking. The thing is, the installer makes it seem like it will write the changes. When you tell it to finish and write the changes, it then tells you the summary of what actually will be changed. Until I found that, I was a bit worried about losing almost 100GB worth of data |
| 02:04.30 | cafuego | bob2: The iso? |
| 02:04.34 | buu | Gnea: You should get them ratpoison. |
| 02:04.47 | bob2 | cafuego: yeah |
| 02:04.51 | Guerin | yay ratpoison |
| 02:04.51 | helix | yeah, I wasn't really sure whether to put my mom on gnome or kde |
| 02:04.55 | Gnea | buu: sorry, i'm not a terrorist |
| 02:04.56 | helix | but my dislike of kde won out |
| 02:04.58 | buu | Gnea: =[ |
| 02:05.01 | zignig | helix: icewm ! |
| 02:05.01 | jetscreamer | whoa, juno terms of service permit them to run distributed software on any client's box? |
| 02:05.04 | Guerin | helix: xfce4 + gnome apps |
| 02:05.05 | buu | Guerin: Ratpoison is cool =] |
| 02:05.14 | dabreegster | I apt-got kernel-source-2.6.8, version 2.6.8-15. Went to /usr/src, unpacked the file. Ran "patch -p1 < bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.8.diff" to try to apply the bootsplash patch. Failed with "can't find file to patch at input line 4" and told me the lines leading up to it, asked for the file to patch |
| 02:05.23 | cafuego | bob2: ooh er. |
| 02:05.24 | Guerin | buu: ratpoison does all the things I need in a window manager, and none that I don't |
| 02:05.32 | Gnea | oh |
| 02:05.35 | buu | Gnea: How do you carrot-five someone? |
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| 02:05.37 | Gnea | <- dumb |
| 02:05.40 | gberardi | Well, it seems like the net install is going to take some time for the base system. I'm off to eat |
| 02:05.46 | helix | well, gnome is fine for her |
| 02:05.51 | buu | Guerin: Well, it does almost everything I need |
| 02:05.53 | Gnea | buu: it says "high-five" |
| 02:05.54 | cafuego | bob2: Much nicer than cdrecord's erro message. |
| 02:05.55 | poser | are there any dvd burning apps for gnome? |
| 02:05.58 | buu | Gnea: oh. |
| 02:06.03 | bob2 | cafuego: hah |
| 02:06.03 | buu | Gnea: That's bizarre. |
| 02:06.04 | peterS | buu: caret-five is taking the other person to the fifth power. very stimulating |
| 02:06.09 | buu | peterS: Sounds like it. |
| 02:06.10 | Gnea | because the carrot is pointing up |
| 02:06.13 | Guerin | buu: being able to scroll between windows with the mousewheel would be coolish |
| 02:06.22 | Gnea | buu: it's old-school internet jargon |
| 02:06.22 | cafuego | poser: This is a data dvd iso, which works OK. Video DvDs are a world onto the mselves. |
| 02:06.26 | buu | Guerin: Yeah, I had one complaint recently, I'm trying to remember what it was... |
| 02:06.47 | poser | cafuego: but what would you generally use to burn a data dvd? |
| 02:06.48 | bob2 | cafuego: I was kinda shocked at how I plugged in a usb dvd burner, selected some files, dragged them to the "cd burner" window and ended up with a data cd |
| 02:06.55 | cafuego | bob2: Also much nicer then what k3b did before. (Eat 1.5GB swap, put load on 400+, die) |
| 02:07.11 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:07.11 | dabreegster | I noticed the patch seemed to expect the files to be in linux-2.6.8, so I renamed kernel-source-2.6.8 to that. Ran the patch command again. Same error. |
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| 02:07.17 | dabreegster | What do I try now? |
| 02:07.31 | cafuego | poser: Normally I use k3b, but that seems dead. nautilus-cd-burner will allow you to drag, drop, burn though,. |
| 02:07.54 | cafuego | bob2: Replicated it, too (but the 2nd time the load only got to 80-odd before I ran out of swap space) |
| 02:08.03 | Gnea | dabreegster: patch -p1 that gets rid of the first directory |
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| 02:08.14 | nnk | Guerin: try fvwm ;) it can probablly do anything you can think of, and the nice thing is that it wont do anything you don't ask it to.. |
| 02:08.15 | poser | cafuego: I didn't know nautilus did dvds |
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| 02:08.25 | nnk | that's perhaps what ilike most about it... |
| 02:08.25 | dabreegster | Gnea: alright. but it still failed. |
| 02:08.29 | Gnea | dabreegster: cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 && patch -p1 < /your/patch/file |
| 02:08.31 | Guerin | nnk: bah, fvwm is naff |
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| 02:08.44 | nnk | naff?.. |
| 02:08.47 | jetscreamer | Juno Platinum Internet service for Linux |
| 02:08.47 | jetscreamer | Juno Platinum Internet service for the Linux operating system currently supports Linspire. |
| 02:08.51 | cafuego | poser: On my box, when I insert a DVD it pops up as 'Blank DVD-R' and I can just dump files in it, then burn it |
| 02:08.57 | Gnea | dabreegster: are you sure it's for a debianized 2.6.8 or a vanilla 2.6.8? |
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| 02:09.09 | dabreegster | Gnea: Oh. Well, I feel like a dumbass. Er, thanks. |
| 02:09.17 | poser | ok thanks cafuego |
| 02:09.24 | Gnea | no one is smart until they're dumb |
| 02:09.29 | dabreegster | Gnea: that worked. I had been applying the patch from /usr/src, not /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 02:09.31 | r3v | bob2: neither of the dpkg methods are working :(... guess i'm just gonna reinstall |
| 02:09.36 | Gnea | dabreegster: :) |
| 02:09.40 | cafuego | poser: A bit like MacOS X does it. |
| 02:09.49 | dabreegster | Gnea: the simple mistakes are the worst. |
| 02:09.51 | cafuego | except this is via NFS :_) |
| 02:09.56 | maher | r3v: what did you do to break your system |
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| 02:10.05 | Gnea | dabreegster: can't know the best till you know the worst |
| 02:10.07 | r3v | maher: removed a directory |
| 02:10.16 | bob2 | r3v: dpkg --get-selections | grep installed$ | awk '{print $1}' | xargs sudo apt-get --reinstall install |
| 02:10.17 | maher | r3v: which one |
| 02:10.22 | Guerin | !dict naff |
| 02:10.24 | dpkg | could not find definition for naff |
| 02:10.29 | Guerin | dict is stupid |
| 02:10.30 | dabreegster | Gnea: Now I'm ready for that background image on the console. |
| 02:10.38 | Gnea | HAHAHA |
| 02:10.40 | cafuego | Guerin: Dict doesn't know non-us slang |
| 02:11.05 | in\exhale | I got a new hdd which is a maxtor 80gb. I copied the partitions from my old one which is a wd 20gb. This is the only thing I changed and when I am connection to the net using linuxant's hsf modem drivers the system hard lockups after a few seconds. Any ideas? |
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| 02:11.40 | ariel | hi, anyone has some idea about why xmms' fonts appears too small and even xine fonts too |
| 02:11.50 | peterS | in\exhale: no, that shouldn't change anything |
| 02:12.04 | cafuego | ariel: Coz you didn't thange their font prefs? |
| 02:12.06 | serialkiller | i am triying to see if a user had entered information in my shell script and if they havent , tell them and ask again. |
| 02:12.15 | serialkiller | i put my cod eon pastebin.com |
| 02:12.26 | serialkiller | http://pastebin.com/264589 |
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| 02:12.29 | serialkiller | that is the link |
| 02:12.29 | in\exhale | peterS, I know it's really weird, but when I use my old hdd everything works just fine |
| 02:12.31 | r3v | bob2: I get errors about stuff not being able to be downloaded, and it aborts |
| 02:12.53 | bob2 | r3v: right, you'll need to filter them manually |
| 02:12.54 | r3v | bob2: trying update/dist-upgrade seeing if fixes |
| 02:12.56 | serialkiller | dont know what i am doing wrong |
| 02:13.04 | setnf | i wanna a program to write videos from my screen not a video player, anyone knows ? |
| 02:13.39 | ariel | cafuego: It's in general but I dunno where to change thats fonts preferences |
| 02:13.50 | maher | r3v: which dir did you remove |
| 02:14.03 | cafuego | ariel: Well, xmms doesn't use normal window manager prefs, so you'll need to do it by hand, afaik. |
| 02:14.35 | setnf | i wanna a program to write videos from my screen not a video player, anyone knows ? |
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| 02:15.05 | maher | setnf: cinelarra |
| 02:15.10 | Octalthorpe | Anybody know about debian packages for XFree86 4.5? |
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| 02:15.12 | FieldySnuts | cinelerra sucks |
| 02:15.15 | ariel | cafuego: well, where are libraries fonts that programs such as xmms and xine make use of |
| 02:15.20 | FieldySnuts | video editing in linux stinks, unfortunately |
| 02:15.27 | cafuego | ariel: They use X for fonts |
| 02:15.40 | setnf | maher, for debian ? |
| 02:15.52 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: That and pictures of interfaces that include fonts. :( |
| 02:16.11 | cafuego | ariel: xmms -> Options -> Preferences -> Fonts |
| 02:16.20 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: That depends 100% on the skin you use. |
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| 02:16.33 | serialkiller | cafuego : can ya help me out real quick? |
| 02:16.42 | peterS | love the skin you're in |
| 02:16.44 | WiFiTux | with a Quicky |
| 02:16.52 | maher | setnf: apt-cache search video | grep edit |
| 02:17.02 | setnf | ookey |
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| 02:17.18 | r3v | bob2: awesome... it's dl'ing... thanks |
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| 02:17.57 | setnf | maher, nothing was found |
| 02:18.01 | ariel | cafuego: it's the same, no results, I might have locales problems |
| 02:18.04 | sussudio | spammy! |
| 02:18.06 | cafuego | serialkiller: Did pastebina dd the <?php tags? |
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| 02:18.09 | maher | setnf: what version of debian |
| 02:18.14 | setnf | 3.1 testing |
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| 02:18.21 | serialkiller | cafuego : yes it did |
| 02:18.34 | sussudio | !ops MusTi spammy spambot |
| 02:18.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: MusTi spammy spambot |
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| 02:18.48 | serialkiller | cafuego : its a php code swap site |
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| 02:18.55 | maher | setnf: hmm... i get kino, avidemux, mjpegtools, maybe they are from marillat |
| 02:18.57 | sussudio | ktnx |
| 02:19.03 | sussudio | they're coming from malaysia now |
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| 02:19.08 | serialkiller | cafuego : i just use it so i dont flood here |
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| 02:19.42 | gberardi | Whoa, the Sarge installer is using Grub? |
| 02:19.48 | peterS | gberardi: yes |
| 02:19.48 | setnf | maher, |
| 02:19.50 | setnf | # apt-cache search mjpegtools |
| 02:19.51 | setnf | linuxvideostudio - MJPEG-tools GTK graphical user interface |
| 02:19.52 | setnf | is it ? |
| 02:20.00 | serialkiller | cafuego : i think my prob is in the while stament [ seem to think i am trying a command or somehting |
| 02:20.01 | serialkiller | lol |
| 02:20.04 | peterS | gberardi: on the i386 architecture, anyway |
| 02:20.05 | trig | I have a sarge box using racoon based vpn tunnel, for some reason the packets that are bound for hosts other than the endpoint of the tunnel are not being forwarded between interfaces, anyone got any suggestions? |
| 02:20.26 | trig | I am pretty sure it's a configuration issue on my sarge box, but I can't figure out what. |
| 02:20.33 | maher | setnf: dunno |
| 02:20.37 | gberardi | peterS: huh. I've been so used to lilo all this time. I suppose it is a good thing to be exposed to multiple things... |
| 02:20.42 | bob2 | trig: 2.6's vpn stuff doesn't give ipsec tunells interface names |
| 02:20.53 | nnk | trig: ipforwarding enabled? |
| 02:20.55 | peterS | gberardi: I think you can still pick lilo if you prefer. possibly this requires being in expert mode |
| 02:20.58 | trig | nnk: yep |
| 02:21.02 | k3k0 | what happened with mplayer ? |
| 02:21.13 | trig | I see the packets coming in eth0 bound for a host connected to eth1, but they never make it there |
| 02:21.16 | Octalthorpe | k3k0 : I don't know. What? |
| 02:21.17 | gberardi | peterS: ah well. Too late now. Rebooting. |
| 02:21.29 | gberardi | peterS: and I can always install and run lilo afterwards anyway |
| 02:21.39 | peterS | gberardi: yeah |
| 02:21.44 | nnk | trig: route -n? |
| 02:21.56 | cafuego | serialkiller: http://pastebin.com/264597 |
| 02:22.02 | k3k0 | Octalthorpe: dont know yet, there is no deb packed :( |
| 02:22.05 | trig | nnk: it looks correct. |
| 02:22.39 | cafuego | serialkiller: Mind you, it's also happy when you enter ^F |
| 02:22.40 | Octalthorpe | k3k0 : It's pretty easy to compile. |
| 02:23.06 | serialkiller | cafuego |
| 02:23.08 | bob2 | trig: do you need to use tagging + routing to get them out onto the network? |
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| 02:23.21 | serialkiller | cafuego : cool.. what i sthe -z ? |
| 02:23.26 | cafuego | serialkiller: 'man test' |
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| 02:23.56 | trig | I had to set a route, but I am not having to do any tagging, I don't think. |
| 02:24.04 | serialkiller | ok length of string = 0 |
| 02:24.05 | serialkiller | lol |
| 02:24.14 | serialkiller | thansk for showing me that |
| 02:24.34 | trig | I have tried doing some tagging in iptables to get the packets to forward, but that did not work either |
| 02:24.42 | helix | thansk pa dansk |
| 02:24.57 | cafuego | serialkiller: test is your friend. make sure to sanitise that input later on in the script. |
| 02:25.05 | Octalthorpe | Are there any debianized packages for XFree86 4.5 floating abouts anywhere? |
| 02:25.08 | bob2 | trig: does tagging them + routing tagged packets work? what does LARTC say? |
| 02:25.10 | cafuego | Octalthorpe: No. |
| 02:25.13 | bob2 | Octalthorpe: haha xfree86 |
| 02:25.14 | peterS | Octalthorpe: I'd be surprised |
| 02:25.20 | serialkiller | cafuego : ok will do |
| 02:25.23 | serialkiller | thansk again |
| 02:25.28 | cafuego | Octalthorpe: /msg dpkg xorg. Check the bit that mentions the XF4.4 licence. |
| 02:25.28 | k3k0 | Octalthorpe: how to compile this file MPlayer-1.0pre6a.tar.bz2?? |
| 02:25.29 | peterS | bob2: you laugh but they *didn't* actually shrivel up and die after 4.4. they actually did release a 4.5 |
| 02:25.49 | bob2 | peterS: haha |
| 02:25.58 | peterS | bob2: yeah. I don't know how they did it. or why. |
| 02:25.59 | Octalthorpe | k3k0 : Same way you compile most anything else.. Uncompress (tar xjf <file>), cd to the directory, do ./configure, make, and then as root, make install. |
| 02:25.59 | FieldySnuts | i laugh |
| 02:26.07 | trig | bob2: it works between the two networks, but only from my endpoint of the tunnel. I am not sure what lartc is. |
| 02:26.09 | cheal | Octalthorpe: I asked yesterday and got no answer. looks like the answer is no |
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| 02:26.16 | peterS | Octalthorpe: heh. but not the way you compile xfree86 (: |
| 02:26.22 | k3k0 | Octalthorpe: than.. |
| 02:26.23 | Octalthorpe | peterS : Yeah. :/ |
| 02:26.26 | k3k0 | x |
| 02:26.37 | bob2 | trig: www.lartc.org |
| 02:26.47 | Octalthorpe | k3k0 : That's it, except that it probably won't have support for everything you need. |
| 02:26.54 | Octalthorpe | So you'll need to apt-get install a bunch of -dev packages. |
| 02:27.02 | Octalthorpe | Look for stuff at the end of ./configure that it says is disabled but you want. |
| 02:27.09 | Octalthorpe | Then apt-cache search for that, find a -dev package, and install it. |
| 02:27.09 | trig | bob2: I have that tab open, it was my next stop |
| 02:27.10 | trig | thanks |
| 02:27.22 | Keloran | anyone got any ideas how i can get apt-get to get an smp version of the kernel for a dual 200 |
| 02:27.29 | St0n3-C0l | XFCE4 is in the debian testing or debian unstable ?? |
| 02:27.41 | peterS | Keloran: a dual *what* 200? |
| 02:27.46 | Octalthorpe | Anybody tried out blackbox 0.70 yet? |
| 02:27.48 | Keloran | p200 |
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| 02:27.57 | Keloran | inteel |
| 02:28.06 | stew | St0n3-C0l: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:28.08 | peterS | Keloran: debian doesn't ship kernel images for Pentium SMP anymore |
| 02:28.10 | bob2 | so, you mean "pentium" |
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| 02:28.23 | peterS | Keloran: so you're on your own. /msg dpkg kernel-package |
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| 02:28.51 | grzesiek | hellp |
| 02:28.53 | grzesiek | hello |
| 02:29.04 | Ronin | grzesiek: cant help till they know the problem |
| 02:29.06 | cafuego | grzesiek: No thanks, I'm fine. |
| 02:29.34 | cafuego | Do non-ppro pentiums even DO smp? |
| 02:29.50 | maher | cafuego: yes - i had a dual p90 |
| 02:29.56 | cafuego | maher: HOLY MACARONI! |
| 02:29.58 | quitte | ive seen a board for that. |
| 02:30.07 | Keloran | so i guess just do it same way as with my slackware box then, download the latest kernel, and run make menuconfig |
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| 02:30.29 | maher | cafuego: actually, maybe it was a dual p100, i forget |
| 02:30.30 | cafuego | Keloran: Depends, which debian revision are you using? |
| 02:30.37 | Keloran | latest unstable |
| 02:30.44 | cafuego | Keloran: 2.6.x is fine, then. |
| 02:30.54 | grzesiek | anyone know what fb i have to enable in 2.6 for NVidia geforce to get terminal display? so far with vesafb just blan screen - i remember there was something else that needed to be on |
| 02:30.55 | cafuego | Just make sure you also gab libncurses5-dev |
| 02:30.58 | Keloran | hehe, the joys of a dual p200, hehe |
| 02:31.12 | Octalthorpe | grzesiek : You don't need fb.. Do you really want it? |
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| 02:31.26 | grzesiek | not really just need a terminal |
| 02:31.28 | Keloran | give me |
| 02:31.32 | cafuego | Keloran: No |
| 02:31.37 | Octalthorpe | grzesiek : Then don't muck with framebuffers, I'd say. |
| 02:31.42 | gberardi | Since I'm reinstalling, I can also upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6. Anyone have any compelling reasons not to do so? |
| 02:31.48 | gberardi | I am going to be running Sarge. |
| 02:31.59 | ariel | who know from what library xine, xmms, amule, etc, make use of, because their fonts appear to small and need to be configured |
| 02:32.01 | grzesiek | Octalthorpe so no fb at all? |
| 02:32.07 | Octalthorpe | grzesiek : Yeah, I never use it. |
| 02:32.16 | grzesiek | Octalthorpe ok thx |
| 02:32.23 | cheal | grzesiek: you can't use a framebuffer with NVIDIA's drivers without stability issues. by example it crashes on vt-switching |
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| 02:32.35 | cheal | at least it can crash |
| 02:32.53 | grzesiek | ok thanx |
| 02:33.01 | cafuego | ariel: They don't use a library, they use X. Sheesh. |
| 02:33.04 | cheal | grzesiek: did you install NVIDIA's drivers? |
| 02:33.14 | grzesiek | Im planing to |
| 02:33.31 | ariel | cafuego: whare can I configure it |
| 02:33.32 | cafuego | ariel: So yes, you'll need to configure them individually. |
| 02:33.38 | cheal | grzesiek: just in you don't know how to... |
| 02:33.44 | cheal | !tell grzesiek about nvidia-howto |
| 02:33.46 | cafuego | ariel: In the prefs. I told you how to do xmms not 10 minuites ago. |
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| 02:34.06 | Octalthorpe | cafuego : heh, you don't seem to be having a good day. |
| 02:34.19 | Octalthorpe | cafuego : What with assholes like me coming around and asking questions, and such. |
| 02:34.24 | cafuego | Octalthorpe: Bah. An dit's only just noon as well. |
| 02:34.39 | cheal | grzesiek: however, "usually" vt-switching works with NVIDIA drivers with only vesafb (NOT rivafb) |
| 02:34.42 | cafuego | At least that DVD is finally writtenm |
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| 02:35.27 | in\exhale | I got a new hdd which is a maxtor 80gb. I copied the partitions from my old one which is a wd 20gb. This is the only thing I changed and when I am connection to the net using linuxant's hsf modem drivers the system hard lockups after a few seconds. Any ideas? |
| 02:35.40 | ariel | cafuego: although I increse its font size up to the top it still appears with small fonts size |
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| 02:36.00 | Techdeck | Hey, whats the dpkg-reconfigure command to reconfigure what debian did in the installation regarding DHCP, I need to reconfigure dhcp somehow, and it seems I dont have dhcpcd (but it worked) |
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| 02:36.36 | nnk | Techdeck: dhcp3-server, afair |
| 02:36.38 | maher | Techdeck: edit /etc/network/interfaces or use etherconf |
| 02:36.44 | Techdeck | thanks! |
| 02:37.00 | Eclipser | >.< |
| 02:37.04 | ariel | cafuego: it seems that the problem comes from a .conf file |
| 02:37.33 | ccw | webmin-bind does not go into the standard webmin-bind dirs?! It is expected to be named bind8 by other modules but is named bind only. Do you suggest to screw debian webmin installation and start with whatever webmin provides on their site? |
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| 02:38.44 | buu | Guerin: ! |
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| 02:40.58 | findme | !debian |
| 02:40.58 | dpkg | [debian] http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 02:48.32 | FieldySnuts | @hump comcast |
| 02:48.39 | aliasd | http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/ufo_WTC.mpeg |
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| 02:49.09 | FieldySnuts | @ops aliasd spammer |
| 02:49.11 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aliasd spammer |
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| 02:49.31 | aliasd | im no spammer |
| 02:49.32 | FieldySnuts | nite. |
| 02:49.40 | FieldySnuts | you just did (not onjoin) |
| 02:49.52 | yoc | are there any good stream server ? |
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| 02:50.27 | dabreegster | I was building the 2.6.8 kernel patched with bootsplash and I got the following error: drivers/built-in.o(.text+0x50c77): In function `splash_getraw': undefined reference to `con2fb_map'. There are several variations of the error afterwards |
| 02:50.34 | dabreegster | What do I do now? I really would like bootsplash |
| 02:50.38 | cafuego | yoc: streaming servers? i tend to just download qtss from apple. |
| 02:50.46 | Octalthorpe | dabreegster : Figure out what provides con2fb_map |
| 02:50.54 | cafuego | dabreegster: it makes the bootup process twice as slow. Are you sure? |
| 02:51.07 | yoc | cafuego, what client to it? |
| 02:51.11 | Octalthorpe | cafuego : It's mighty purty though. |
| 02:51.16 | cafuego | yoc: quicktime, xmms, whatever. |
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| 02:51.23 | dabreegster | cafuego: I dont want it for the boot process, I want it for the permanent background image for the console. What alternatives are there? |
| 02:51.34 | cafuego | dabreegster: X? |
| 02:51.36 | dabreegster | Octalthorpe: have a clue how to do that? |
| 02:51.44 | Octalthorpe | dabreegster : rgrep ? |
| 02:51.44 | yoc | cafuego, anything else besides qtss? |
| 02:51.53 | dabreegster | cafuego: getting it to act exactly like the console is kind of tough |
| 02:51.54 | cafuego | yoc: probably, icecast or somesuch. |
| 02:51.59 | dabreegster | Octalthorpe: oh, true. |
| 02:52.10 | cafuego | dabreegster: maximise an rxvt with screen ;-) |
| 02:52.25 | dabreegster | cafuego: perhaps. |
| 02:52.28 | yoc | cafuego, i want clients like ms media or real to connect to it? |
| 02:52.31 | ccw | Is the best way to get a working webmin installation to install debain webmin package and install the latest modules from webmin.com? |
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| 02:52.52 | cafuego | yoc: THose are proprietary and evil. |
| 02:53.01 | cafuego | yoc: I wouldn't know anything about them |
| 02:53.17 | fooz | I'm proprietary and evil, too |
| 02:53.30 | cafuego | !zoof fooz |
| 02:53.30 | dpkg | fooz: you zoof |
| 02:53.41 | yoc | cafuego, ok, thanks |
| 02:54.01 | yoc | cafuego, qtss is proprietary too |
| 02:54.11 | cafuego | zoof: consider yourself thoroughly reverse engineered |
| 02:54.25 | cafuego | yoc: No, it's open source. |
| 02:54.25 | bob2 | fooz: and written in scheme |
| 02:54.56 | fooz | scheme? nah |
| 02:54.59 | cafuego | yoc: You can download the source and play with it as you see fit. Quicktime is proprietary, but then again, it uses MPEG4 these days, which is an open standard. |
| 02:55.01 | fooz | probably Perl |
| 02:55.19 | cafuego | fooz is written in OISC |
| 02:55.26 | cafuego | only has one instruction |
| 02:55.29 | cafuego | troll() |
| 02:55.36 | fooz | cause nobody understands my mental processes. they frequently tell me so |
| 02:55.53 | Octalthorpe | Wouldn't it be mor elike TROL ? |
| 02:56.00 | mrhemlock | cafuego, also has command Piazza |
| 02:56.13 | cafuego | Actually, it's LROTL (a cousing ot ROTL on x86) |
| 02:56.18 | yoc | cafuego, what client to qtss or icecast? can real or mediaplayer connect to them? |
| 02:56.21 | fooz | working on cars is painful |
| 02:56.48 | cafuego | yoc: If you need support for propeitary software (windows media, real) you need to ask the manufacturers. |
| 02:57.02 | cafuego | fooz: it probably helps if they stop first. |
| 02:57.14 | fooz | too bad they're not like debian.. 'car-get install engine' would automatically grab all the correct parts to fit the new motor |
| 02:57.19 | yoc | cafuego, what client to qtss or icecast? |
| 02:57.43 | cafuego | yoc: clients that can stream stuff. mplayer, xmms, xine... |
| 02:57.54 | cafuego | yoc: Quicktime, of course. |
| 02:58.03 | Octalthorpe | fooz : Have you read Diamond Age? |
| 02:58.11 | cafuego | yoc: no idea about real of windows media player, as they don't run (properly) on Linux. |
| 02:58.11 | yoc | cafuego, quicktime to icecast too? |
| 02:58.40 | fooz | no |
| 02:58.43 | Octalthorpe | cafuego : The new Real for Linux runs alright. |
| 02:58.45 | yoc | cafuego, what standard/protocol qtss or icecast uses? |
| 02:58.46 | Octalthorpe | Helix-based, 'tis. |
| 02:58.52 | Guerin | real is still shit |
| 02:58.52 | cafuego | yoc: I expect quicktime may be able to listen to icecast streams, yes. |
| 02:59.02 | Octalthorpe | Guerin : Yes. |
| 02:59.03 | Guerin | they should change they name to Fake |
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| 02:59.12 | cafuego | Octalthorpe: Speak for yourself, ia32 slut. |
| 02:59.15 | Octalthorpe | Guerin : No, no. It's "Real" like "Reality TV" |
| 02:59.20 | Octalthorpe | cafuego : Eh, fair enough. |
| 02:59.24 | Guerin | Octalthorpe: hah |
| 02:59.51 | cafuego | helix: you should change your name to 'fake'. |
| 02:59.53 | fooz | Octalthorpe, why? |
| 02:59.59 | Octalthorpe | fooz : Which part? |
| 03:00.03 | fooz | Octalthorpe, diamond age |
| 03:00.11 | Octalthorpe | fooz : It's a good book. |
| 03:00.15 | fooz | Octalthorpe, i'd like to have a non wintel laptop too, but I don't have $4000 |
| 03:00.29 | Octalthorpe | I don't... But the federal reserve does! |
| 03:00.34 | cafuego | fooz: Linux runs find on a $800 Dell craptop too. |
| 03:00.57 | cafuego | s/find/fine/ |
| 03:00.57 | fooz | cafuego, that's wintel |
| 03:00.57 | Octalthorpe | cafuego : Hey, my Dell craptop was $1800. |
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| 03:01.18 | cafuego | fooz: 12" iBooks adon't cost $4000 either |
| 03:01.18 | findme | i could buy 3 craptop's for that price |
| 03:01.18 | fooz | cafuego, i had a dell, it sucked, swapped it for a slower thinkpad and was happy |
| 03:01.18 | Octalthorpe | cafuego : That's not exotic, though. |
| 03:01.21 | cafuego | fooz: Yeah, I didn't update my dell either. Went to HP. |
| 03:01.26 | Octalthorpe | fooz : I was going to get a Thinkpad, but damn if this Inspiron doesn't have a downright beautiful screen. |
| 03:01.28 | findme | i have a dell like it , want more dell's |
| 03:01.40 | cafuego | Octalthorpe: I don't know if a Sparc5 is that portable... |
| 03:01.46 | findme | inspiron sux, lattitude is good |
| 03:01.52 | fooz | I had the Latitude CPx |
| 03:02.04 | cafuego | findme: i have a pile of 4 dead latitudes that says otherwise. |
| 03:02.04 | fooz | they have an unrecalled motherboard manufacturing fault |
| 03:02.07 | Octalthorpe | findme : Eh, I got the Inspiron with the WUXGA+ display. |
| 03:02.08 | findme | D series are good from what i gather |
| 03:02.18 | fooz | where the traces leading up to the keyboard controller fail |
| 03:02.23 | fooz | Dell does not care if that happens to you |
| 03:02.24 | Octalthorpe | findme : And it was 36% off, too. |
| 03:02.28 | findme | cafuego, dead as in no good or at least it boots |
| 03:02.34 | findme | dellauction.com |
| 03:02.38 | cafuego | fooz: indeed. Though on one the clit/trackpad failed and the keybd is fine. |
| 03:02.40 | fooz | hard to type on a laptop with a nonfunctioning keyboard controller. |
| 03:02.45 | fooz | cafuego, hehe |
| 03:02.58 | yoc | cafuego, is icecast ok? |
| 03:03.09 | fooz | I got a Thinkpad 600X. that's one of the best laptops ever |
| 03:03.15 | cafuego | findme: dead as in you may be able to turn the pile of 4 into ONE fucntioning laptop, provided you can put up with no trackpad, a broken hdd and a flickering screen |
| 03:03.18 | fooz | sold it recently though, needed cash to fix my car |
| 03:03.21 | Octalthorpe | yoc: I didn't see the original question. Are you actually wanting to do live streaming (e.g., of people)? |
| 03:03.33 | findme | cafuego, i see, thanks for answering! |
| 03:03.33 | cafuego | fooz: Happy Hacker USb to the rescue ;-) |
| 03:03.37 | Octalthorpe | cafuego : Sounds like a good deal to me. |
| 03:03.38 | yoc | Octalthorpe, yes |
| 03:03.47 | fooz | cafuego, I got sick of carrying around USB keyboards.. |
| 03:03.47 | Octalthorpe | yoc: Okay, then I have no better answer than icecast. |
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| 03:04.02 | fooz | cafuego, might as well carry around a small desktop, like a Cappuccino PC |
| 03:04.04 | Octalthorpe | fooz : Rip out the keyboard, glue/duck tape the guts of a USB one in its place? |
| 03:04.06 | yoc | Octalthorpe, i want to share movies to others |
| 03:04.20 | cafuego | fooz: i have a nice kensington laptop backpack for it... fors 3 laptops, power bricks, mice, wifi cards, keyboards and assorted portable harddrives :-) |
| 03:04.26 | cafuego | s/fors/fits/ |
| 03:04.39 | fooz | I've got a Powerbook G3 I'm trying to sell |
| 03:04.40 | Octalthorpe | cafuego : I think that counts as "luggage" at that point. |
| 03:04.42 | cafuego | Does weight in at 15Kg tho. |
| 03:04.44 | Octalthorpe | fooz : I'll give you $50. |
| 03:04.52 | fooz | Octalthorpe, i'm not that desperate |
| 03:04.57 | cafuego | Octalthorpe: Funny, that's what the airline said too. |
| 03:05.00 | Octalthorpe | fooz : Yeah, well, I'm not that rich. |
| 03:05.33 | cafuego | fooz: I just gave away a G3/233 last weekend |
| 03:05.38 | Supaplex | How can I record the packages I have installed, in order to reinstall those same packages after a new fresh install? The old machine is still running, and it's rsynched into a /backup directory to. |
| 03:05.40 | Octalthorpe | fooz : I'll give you $50 and two bottles of chilled lime perrier. |
| 03:05.44 | fooz | ew |
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| 03:05.54 | fooz | nah. I can get $150 for it easy |
| 03:05.56 | fooz | maybe more |
| 03:06.00 | Octalthorpe | Supaplex : I think FAI is supposed to do something like this. |
| 03:06.00 | cafuego | Supaplex: dpkg --get-selections > list |
| 03:06.18 | cafuego | Supaplex: dpkg --set-selection > list |
| 03:06.23 | cafuego | Supaplex: dpkg --set-selections < list |
| 03:06.25 | Octalthorpe | fooz : I just sold my busted laptop (screen broke), minus harddrive, for upwards of $400.. And I'm going to use it to pay off a third of my new laptop. :/ |
| 03:06.32 | cafuego | Supaplex: that tends to work fine. |
| 03:06.39 | Supaplex | cool. thanks cafuego, I didn't find this on the FAQ. |
| 03:06.46 | fooz | i spend all my time working on my car now |
| 03:06.50 | fooz | no laptops for me |
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| 03:06.58 | yoc | cafuego, i want video stream server, icecast is only for audio |
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| 03:07.03 | cafuego | fooz: With new cars you need laptops to tune 'em properly. |
| 03:07.06 | Octalthorpe | That sucks. |
| 03:07.14 | fooz | it was a scooter actually, but still |
| 03:07.17 | cafuego | bob2: holden ute? |
| 03:07.21 | fooz | cafuego, no, not really |
| 03:07.26 | bob2 | cafuego: laser, probably |
| 03:07.26 | fooz | cafuego, well.. depends on the car |
| 03:07.29 | bob2 | cafuego: LCA is sold out |
| 03:07.36 | cafuego | bob2: neet (I have an astina) |
| 03:07.52 | cafuego | bob2: Wanna buy mine 2nd hand? |
| 03:07.57 | fooz | my car's rather simple.. 1990 Mazda Miata |
| 03:07.58 | bob2 | cafuego: haha |
| 03:08.06 | fooz | I just put a 94 engine (1.8L) in it |
| 03:08.06 | bob2 | cafuego: $4k is my budget |
| 03:08.12 | peterS | fooz: ahh, the mid-life crisis car |
| 03:08.20 | fooz | peterS, ... |
| 03:08.21 | cafuego | bob2: Yellow '02 4C2L |
| 03:08.23 | fooz | peterS, speaking from experience? |
| 03:08.28 | peterS | fooz: I don't own a car |
| 03:08.49 | Supaplex | cafuego++ |
| 03:08.51 | Supaplex | thanks again |
| 03:09.00 | cafuego | bob2: Needs 4 new tyres and 2 new shock absorbers (my, aren't speed humps fun!) |
| 03:09.04 | peterS | fooz: also, I don't think I'm due for a mid-life crisis yet. I'll have to get married and get a steady job first so I can get bored with both |
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| 03:09.52 | fooz | peterS, miatas might be driven by a lot of old yuppies, but there's a perfectly sound reason for it |
| 03:10.03 | cafuego | maybe I should ditch it and upgrade to a yellow Mazda 6 |
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| 03:10.07 | peterS | fooz: I know, I know. nothing wrong with that car, it just has that stereotype |
| 03:10.07 | yoc | can qtss run on debian? |
| 03:10.09 | bob2 | cafuego: hah |
| 03:10.19 | fooz | cafuego, Mazdaspeed 6 |
| 03:10.20 | bob2 | yoc: can it run on other linux systems? |
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| 03:10.24 | cafuego | The new shade of yellow sucks ass though |
| 03:10.31 | yoc | bob2, ? |
| 03:10.39 | fooz | Octalthorpe, that's what helped me decide to get a miata |
| 03:10.42 | cafuego | fooz: I've tried the smaller mazdas, i don't fit. |
| 03:10.53 | fooz | Octalthorpe, but then I tried out GT4, and realised that the game doesn't actually drive like a real miata |
| 03:10.58 | peterS | cafuego: when you're taller than the car is long, that's a bad sign |
| 03:11.00 | bob2 | yoc: which part of that question confused you? |
| 03:11.03 | fooz | cafuego, you just said you wanted a 6 |
| 03:11.09 | cafuego | peterS: Tell me about it :-( |
| 03:11.09 | fooz | cafuego, I just told you to get the faster 6 :P |
| 03:11.16 | yoc | bob2, can qtss run on linux? |
| 03:11.25 | cafuego | fooz: Oh... no, i'm boring and would probably go the station wagom |
| 03:11.25 | bob2 | yoc: I have no idea what qtss is |
| 03:11.33 | Octalthorpe | fooz : Heh. |
| 03:11.34 | cafuego | yoc: Yes, it can. |
| 03:11.41 | fooz | I like to drift in my car |
| 03:11.45 | yoc | cafuego, binary or source? |
| 03:11.48 | cafuego | yoc: both |
| 03:11.54 | Guerin | station wagones aren't boring, they're functional |
| 03:12.00 | yoc | cafuego, ok, thanks |
| 03:12.03 | fooz | station wagons rock |
| 03:12.10 | cafuego | Guerin: The little bugger doesn't come in yellow though |
| 03:12.12 | fooz | unfortunately, no car companies know how to build them properly anymore |
| 03:12.23 | in\exhale | I got a new hdd which is a maxtor 80gb. I copied the partitions from my old one which is a wd 20gb. This is the only thing I changed and when I am connection to the net using linuxant's hsf modem drivers the system hard lockups after a few seconds. Any ideas? |
| 03:12.30 | peterS | fooz: even volvo? they were always the staple |
| 03:12.41 | fooz | well volvo I don't know about. I never see them |
| 03:12.56 | peterS | I always had the feeling volvo wagons would never die |
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| 03:13.05 | cafuego | peterS: yes, they can. |
| 03:13.18 | peterS | cafuego: I mean the concept. like, they'll never stop making them |
| 03:13.20 | cafuego | peterS: I was travelling with a friend and his died in between canberra and melbourne. |
| 03:13.22 | fooz | most companies no longer make one.. the few that do just push up the trunk lid higher on a sedan and call it a wagon (Saturn, Subaru) |
| 03:13.28 | asdf | i have 2 ntfs partition, first partition is already mounted; how do i mount second ntfs partition |
| 03:13.39 | cafuego | yoc: http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/ |
| 03:13.40 | fooz | Hyundai no longer makes theirs. The Taurus wagon got a little smaller when they went bubble-shaped |
| 03:13.42 | yoc | cafuego, do you have apple id, i need it |
| 03:13.48 | fooz | in 96 or so |
| 03:13.56 | cafuego | yoc: Create one |
| 03:14.03 | bob2 | asdf: same way you mounted the first one |
| 03:14.06 | yoc | cafuego, could you give me one |
| 03:14.12 | cafuego | yoc: No, I can't. |
| 03:14.12 | asdf | bob2 it was mounted automatically |
| 03:14.23 | yoc | cafuego, why |
| 03:14.26 | cafuego | fooz: My other car is a bubble :-) |
| 03:14.41 | cafuego | yoc: Because I don't hand out my login details to ANYONE. |
| 03:14.44 | fooz | my mom has a 91 Taurus wagon.. man that thing is so useful. It's big enough to fit the aforementioned scooter, and it's how I carried home my new motor+transmission and the crane I used to install them |
| 03:14.52 | tcsetattr | I hosed a filesystem, and e2fsck gives me a lot of questions like "Entry 'foo' in /bar (933889) has deleted/unused inode 937443. Clear<y>?" ... I don't want to clear it, I want to restore it. If I say no to "Clear?" it doesn't restore it, it just skips ahead to the next one. Any way I can get e2fsck to resurrect the inode? |
| 03:14.53 | fooz | screw having a truck |
| 03:15.55 | abrotman | thomas_adam: are you still awake!? |
| 03:16.04 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Just. |
| 03:16.07 | abrotman | damn .. |
| 03:16.09 | abrotman | what luck |
| 03:16.10 | fooz | tcsetattr, it's asking if you want to clear the filename entry. the inode's already gone. there's no hope. answer Y |
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| 03:16.14 | bob2 | abrotman: SlayerXP is english, according to rumour |
| 03:16.16 | thomas_adam | 04:16am. |
| 03:16.18 | cafuego | fooz: http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!ebroadcast_content.pv_vehicle_display?vehicle_id=2226490¤t_rec=4&total_rec=47&sort_type=&model_id=30 |
| 03:16.21 | fooz | tcsetattr, or pay a data recovery place |
| 03:16.23 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you know how in the states we have rednecks .. what do you call english rednecks? |
| 03:16.24 | abrotman | :) |
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| 03:16.31 | tcsetattr | fooz, I already resurrected one manually with debugfs. Just wondering if I can automate that with fsck. |
| 03:16.42 | bob2 | asdf: copy the line from /etc/fstab and change the partition location (/dev/hda1 -> 2) and the mount point |
| 03:16.50 | fooz | tcsetattr, nah |
| 03:16.51 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Pfft, any number of words. |
| 03:17.01 | cafuego | bob2: That's nearly within your budget too. |
| 03:17.01 | fooz | cafuego, never seen one of those.. you australian? |
| 03:17.02 | abrotman | thomas_adam: that's the official answer? |
| 03:17.03 | tcsetattr | "rednecK" was originally a term used by Englishmen to describe Scots, wasn't it? |
| 03:17.09 | cafuego | fooz: Dutch, but in AU. |
| 03:17.23 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Depends which region one comes from in England -- usually "commoners". |
| 03:17.28 | peterS | hehe |
| 03:17.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:17.37 | cafuego | abrotman: "the aristocracy" |
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| 03:17.40 | bob2 | cafuego: you're a "well-maintained lady owner"? |
| 03:17.45 | bucky | how about the Audi 340 hp V8 S4 Avant |
| 03:17.45 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:17.45 | tcsetattr | guess I'm spending the night with debugfs then. |
| 03:17.48 | abrotman | it was a serious question |
| 03:17.56 | fooz | cafuego, do you have one of those? |
| 03:17.56 | cafuego | bob2: No, that's not mine. My wife has an identical one though. |
| 03:18.16 | peterS | fooz: not a Jetsons fan? |
| 03:18.16 | cafuego | fooz: 's my wife's... but yes. Neet little cars. has a souped up sterea system though., |
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| 03:18.41 | DrFooMod2 | why would the DISPLAY enviro variable be missing when I login using ssh -X ? |
| 03:18.56 | abrotman | fooz: no rain? |
| 03:18.59 | cafuego | bucky: The Audi 340 hp V8 S4 Avant is a german car. Yuck. |
| 03:18.59 | bob2 | DrFooMod2: is xauth installed on the remote machine? |
| 03:19.04 | luke | hey I'm trying to conpile something and it's not working. I did ./configure make su into root then make install. what do I do next? or is it meant to be installed at that? |
| 03:19.13 | fooz | abrotman, rain doesn't somehow cause the car to stop functioning :) |
| 03:19.16 | DrFooMod2 | bob2: what;s the quickest way to check? |
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| 03:19.22 | fooz | if it's really pouring i just put the top up |
| 03:19.30 | gberardi | "ldconfig not found on PATH" Apparently root doesn't have the right PATH info. Where is the correct place to rectify this? |
| 03:19.31 | bob2 | DrFooMod2: ssh in. try to run xauth. |
| 03:19.38 | bucky | cafuego, got a faster station wagon? |
| 03:19.42 | bob2 | luke: it has no instructions at all? |
| 03:19.55 | bob2 | gberardi: wherever you broke it. look at /etc/profile, /root/.bashrc |
| 03:19.56 | thomas_adam | abrotman: London/Essex area, one would call such people "chaffs", go further north, to Liverpool, and you have "scousers" (both as a region, and as an attribution of class). Go even further North, and you have "Geordi Scum". The scots, I can't say -- they're all drunk up there and slur their words even when Sober. As for the Welsh, boyo, I dunno, see... And the Irish? Hmm, that speaks for itself, really. |
| 03:20.02 | michal_ | cafuego: do you think this is a reasonable price for what they are selling? http://www.elx.com.au/item/ELS0050 |
| 03:20.02 | DrFooMod2 | bob2: just did and it made an .Xauthority file |
| 03:20.04 | fooz | I live in Vegas. the temperatures go from ~34-120 fahrenheit |
| 03:20.09 | cafuego | bucky: No, but you can't speed in .au, so there's no point owning a fast car. |
| 03:20.18 | Keloran | i just tried to run "make menuconfig" for the latest kernel, but ive come across an error, i seem to be missing ncurses-devel, and apt-get cant find one, anyone got any idea where to get hold of it ? |
| 03:20.19 | bob2 | DrFooMod2: did you configure ssh on both ends to allow it? |
| 03:20.21 | bob2 | cafuego: you can in NT |
| 03:20.27 | bob2 | Keloran: libncurses5-dev |
| 03:20.33 | cafuego | bucky: The speed limits are low and the road quality is shocking. |
| 03:20.39 | DrFooMod2 | bob2: yes, the sshd config has yes to allow x11 |
| 03:20.39 | cafuego | bob2: NT has no roads. |
| 03:20.41 | fooz | surprisingly, hardly anyone here has a convertible.. and when they do, they never put the top down |
| 03:20.45 | luke | in the directory? yes, and they were the instructions basically, it had one other command and I tried that too but it did the same thing. is it meant to be install with just those commands? |
| 03:20.46 | bucky | i see |
| 03:20.59 | Virusmaster | is someone dutch in here? i need the number 46 translated to dutch :)) |
| 03:21.01 | Keloran | ty bob2 |
| 03:21.01 | abrotman | thomas_adam: thanks .. night :) |
| 03:21.02 | bob2 | luke: make install installs the files it wants |
| 03:21.06 | DrFooMod2 | bob2: X11Forwarding yes |
| 03:21.06 | michal_ | cafuego: road quality is not bad when compared to other countries. at least it's not like driving on train tracks like some places |
| 03:21.13 | cafuego | bucky: When driving in germany, doing 200 is just too much work and not particualrly relaxing in the way that 160 is. |
| 03:21.14 | bob2 | cafuego: it has flat patches of dirt |
| 03:21.17 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: *nice* |
| 03:21.19 | cafuego | bob2: NT has no roads. |
| 03:21.25 | bob2 | DrFooMod2: dunno then |
| 03:21.28 | luke | bob2: why has it not worked then? |
| 03:21.32 | fooz | I hope I can get my car running tomorrow.. i miss it |
| 03:21.32 | asdf | how come this won't work mount /dev/hda2 /disks/partition2 ntfs |
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| 03:21.53 | bob2 | luke: you haven't defined what isn't working |
| 03:21.54 | DrFooMod2 | bob2: when i run xauth, i get some sort of shell |
| 03:21.55 | drac | asdf: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /disks/partition2 |
| 03:21.57 | DrFooMod2 | what from there? |
| 03:21.58 | abrotman | maybe i should make a factoid out oif that :) |
| 03:22.00 | bob2 | luke: and what you think it should be doing |
| 03:22.00 | bob2 | etc |
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| 03:22.06 | cafuego | fooz: http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms/usedcars/make_Mazda/start_210/ID_2105979/vehicle.html |
| 03:22.06 | tcsetattr | debugfs with readline would be a good thing |
| 03:22.11 | cafuego | fooz: That's what I drive. |
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| 03:22.17 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Yer mus a erd e London accen, innit? Wher ah all toork like this, yeah? Imagine that en masse with all these people. *shudder*. |
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| 03:22.27 | cafuego | fooz: Except I made the dealer take of those silly decals. |
| 03:22.31 | fooz | peterS, www.flyinmiata.com supplies parts to make a miata embarass BMWs and porsches and MR-2s |
| 03:22.35 | michal_ | I like Honda Civics. They're nice cars |
| 03:22.35 | intrr | hi! is there some way to list installed packages sorted by size? i would like to check if there is some big stuff on the system that i don't need and can safely remove. |
| 03:22.44 | abrotman | thomas_adam: yeah .. i guess .. |
| 03:22.57 | peterS | fooz: I don't doubt it can be done. the car itself is so small that you only need a certain amount of horse |
| 03:22.59 | fooz | cafuego, I don't think they exist in the US |
| 03:23.08 | luke | bob2: well my objective is to install gaim, and to install gam I need glib, so I've been trying to install glib before gaim and it isn't working. I know this because gaim wont finish ./configure without glib. |
| 03:23.11 | bob2 | intrr: debpigs |
| 03:23.14 | thomas_adam | abrotman: The food is nice here, though. :D |
| 03:23.15 | fooz | peterS, their race car has somewhere over 350hp |
| 03:23.15 | bob2 | luke: good god |
| 03:23.22 | bob2 | luke: you know glib is in Debian, right? |
| 03:23.23 | cafuego | fooz: They probably don't use enough fuel to be allowed on the road. |
| 03:23.29 | abrotman | cafe_roy: what kind of car is it? |
| 03:23.31 | abrotman | bah |
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| 03:23.35 | drac | luke: gaim is in debian too :) |
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| 03:23.36 | grzesiek | hi |
| 03:23.36 | intrr | bob2: i see, thanks |
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| 03:23.51 | abrotman | fooz: that's a mazda3 hatchback basically |
| 03:23.54 | fooz | cafuego, there are 6 wagons and Protege wagons |
| 03:23.55 | abrotman | err |
| 03:24.00 | fooz | cafuego, never seen a 3 wagon here |
| 03:24.01 | abrotman | mazda protege hatchback |
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| 03:24.05 | luke | bob2 yes, but it needs the latest version, which it doesn't have. |
| 03:24.07 | abrotman | fooz: wait |
| 03:24.11 | bob2 | cafuego: I've been warned away from mazdas from a surviving-crashes and a getting-cheap-parts perspective |
| 03:24.12 | fooz | that's what I meant, hatchback |
| 03:24.14 | cafuego | fooz: This is a hatch version of the protege (an actual protege looks naff) |
| 03:24.16 | Fackamato | hoi, how do I reconfigure my fonts? I mean locales, something... |
| 03:24.16 | bob2 | luke: of glib? really? |
| 03:24.20 | Fackamato | IIRC it's dpkg --re-configure something |
| 03:24.23 | luke | I'm trying to get the latest gaim 1.2.0 |
| 03:24.25 | lakcaj | my wife and I bought a 2005 mazda3 sedan a couple months ago, couldn't be happier with it. |
| 03:24.35 | fooz | cafuego, ok, i thought it looked like a protege |
| 03:24.36 | abrotman | fooz: oh... looks like they killed it off |
| 03:24.41 | cafuego | bob2: I've crashed a green 1.8L one of these and was fine |
| 03:24.42 | fooz | lakcaj, mazda makes amazing cars really |
| 03:24.44 | asdf | mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /disks/partition2 didn't work |
| 03:24.49 | grzesiek | anyone can advice why if I specyfy vga=794 (or any other mode) on boot my terminal goes blank - that on NVidia? |
| 03:24.56 | cafuego | bob2: The trick is to not get hit by an SUV |
| 03:24.59 | bob2 | asdf: er, you can't just tell us that |
| 03:25.06 | bob2 | asdf: you have to actually say what error it gave |
| 03:25.08 | fooz | lakcaj, one of the last japanese companies to give up on making things that are fun to drive and start making cars for grandma |
| 03:25.16 | bob2 | asdf: also, did you make /disks/partition2 exist? |
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| 03:25.24 | asdf | bob2 yes |
| 03:25.27 | drac | asdf: is module ntfs loaded? look at 'lsmod|grep ntfs' if not, load it 'modprobe ntfs' |
| 03:25.37 | cafuego | s/I've cvrashed/I was riding shotgun in my old green 1.8 astina when a fuckwit hit us/ |
| 03:25.38 | abrotman | fooz: i like the new miata stuff they are talking about |
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| 03:25.49 | michal_ | what non SUV's survive being hot by an SUV? |
| 03:25.53 | lakcaj | fooz, true... can't be beat for the price, and the mazda3 is actually still made in japan, despite mazda being owned by ford (puke) |
| 03:25.55 | abrotman | though .. the saturn roadster even looks nice |
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| 03:26.02 | fooz | i like ford |
| 03:26.02 | cafuego | michal_: Trucks and buses. |
| 03:26.03 | intrr | bob2: i can't find debpigs anywhere, have an URL? |
| 03:26.09 | abrotman | michal_: volvo :) |
| 03:26.15 | bob2 | intrr: or dpigs or whatever |
| 03:26.19 | fooz | abrotman, i dunno about the new miata.. but I didn't like the NBs either (the non barndoor ones) |
| 03:26.21 | bob2 | intrr: it's in the debian-goodies package |
| 03:26.28 | michal_ | caduego: bah.. volvo has doors high enough to withstand impact from aeroplanes |
| 03:26.34 | intrr | bob2: ok, that should help. |
| 03:26.35 | abrotman | fooz: they aren't released yet |
| 03:26.35 | fooz | abrotman, I've got a 1990, which is almost as old as you can get with a miata |
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| 03:26.49 | fooz | abrotman, well, there's plenty of pictures around |
| 03:26.53 | cafuego | michal_: We're talking about cars, not bath tubs. Also, Shitsubishi Magnas are safer then volvos. |
| 03:26.56 | fooz | abrotman, check out www.miata.net |
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| 03:27.14 | abrotman | fooz: basically same back end .. rx8 front end .. kind of lookign ish |
| 03:27.25 | cafuego | fooz: Ah, the MX5. |
| 03:27.27 | fooz | abrotman, they're based on the RX-8 platform |
| 03:27.40 | fooz | cafuego, yeah. MX-5 / Roadster / Miata depending on where you are |
| 03:27.41 | michal_ | cafuego: i think you're lumping all volvo's together with the crappiest ones. |
| 03:27.51 | cafuego | Unless I put my knees next to my ears. |
| 03:27.52 | intrr | bob2: that's exactly what i wanted, thanks :) |
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| 03:27.58 | fooz | cafuego, how tall are you? |
| 03:28.05 | cafuego | michal_: I would if I could set fire to them. |
| 03:28.09 | cafuego | fooz: 6'4" |
| 03:28.18 | bob2 | I was tempted by an mx5 |
| 03:28.20 | abrotman | sussudio: no soviet russia? |
| 03:28.29 | fooz | abrotman, most people don't like the fender flares on them.. other than that, they have a nice shape |
| 03:28.29 | sussudio | abrotman: no MX5's in russia |
| 03:28.51 | michal_ | I'm happy with the 1996 Honda Civic sedan I drive |
| 03:28.56 | fooz | abrotman, basically the same as the NA (1989-1997) shape, but stouter looking |
| 03:29.00 | cafuego | fooz: I tried to try one at the dealership when I got the yellow hatch... |
| 03:29.16 | fooz | cafuego, even the new miatas don't fit you? |
| 03:29.17 | cafuego | fooz: Took me a while to unfold back out |
| 03:29.20 | fooz | haha |
| 03:29.34 | cafuego | fooz: Not tried one since 2002. |
| 03:29.36 | fooz | cafuego, try the NC once they're released.. should be in a few months |
| 03:29.42 | fooz | cafuego, it's a complete redesign |
| 03:30.04 | cafuego | fooz: I need a biggish car with a LOT of boot space though. They may be cute, but they don't do what i need from one. |
| 03:30.08 | fooz | the NA and NBs were based on the MX-6, but shortened. the new one's based on the RX-8, and they made more legroom a priority I think |
| 03:30.16 | fooz | heh |
| 03:30.23 | michal_ | man.. prices of rackmount cases are criminal :/ |
| 03:30.29 | abrotman | i'll stick with my jetta for now |
| 03:30.29 | WiFiTux | Has someone seen in 2.6.11 that the qla2xxx SCSi driver loads itself? I keep removing it from my .config and keeps appearing when creating a new kernel image.. |
| 03:30.32 | cafuego | michal_: ebay is your friend |
| 03:30.54 | michal_ | cafuego: ebay has maybe one (crappy) rack mount case every few months :/ |
| 03:31.04 | cafuego | WiFiTux: , indeed. |
| 03:31.11 | WiFiTux | Has someone seen in 2.6.11 that the qla2xxx SCSi driver loads itself? I keep removing it from my .config and keeps appearing when creating a new kernel image.. Which the qla2xxx looks broken |
| 03:31.13 | michal_ | cafuego: and the last few times it sold at or above retail price |
| 03:31.13 | cafuego | WiFiTux: You are correct. |
| 03:31.37 | WiFiTux | cafuego, hhhhaaa! So what did you do? I keep getting it and it gives me errors when making the image... |
| 03:31.39 | cafuego | michal_: Then you need to tell your boss about the budget and how it sucks. |
| 03:31.43 | michal_ | cefuego: seems people get really excited bidding on ebay and pay more than things are worth.. MUCH more |
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| 03:32.29 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Seems to have compiled fine on 2.6.11.5 - I hadn't even noticed it until you mentioned it. |
| 03:32.36 | michal_ | cafuego: i have no budget. and i'm after this one for home. work wouldn't even consider getting a rackmount case when thhey can superglue a motherboard to a rack for free |
| 03:33.08 | cafuego | michal_: Where in .AU are you? |
| 03:33.36 | WiFiTux | cafuego, hhmm I don't care about it, the only problem, is that is giving me an error when making the kernel_image. Also, Sid only has 2.6.11-1 |
| 03:33.43 | michal_ | cafuego: Brisbane... Ideally I'm after something like this for myself.. now if it cast half this I'd be happy.. http://www.elx.com.au/item/ELS0050 |
| 03:33.48 | cafuego | WiFiTux: That's what kernel.org is for. |
| 03:33.54 | michal_ | s/cast/cost |
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| 03:34.09 | cafuego | michal_: Hmm.. I was hopeing you were in melbourne; computerbank might have discarded ones. |
| 03:34.15 | WiFiTux | cafuego, how about debian patches for the kernel? |
| 03:34.33 | cafuego | WiFiTux: I don't use initrd so don't care |
| 03:34.44 | michal_ | cafuego: yeah. melbourne and Sydney seem like places with MUCH more secondd hand stuff available.. Hell.. even Perth seems to have more stuff |
| 03:34.48 | WiFiTux | cafuego, oh. me either, is that the only difference? |
| 03:35.15 | cafuego | WiFiTux: as far as I'ma ware, yeah |
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| 03:35.38 | cafuego | michal_: <heh> |
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| 03:35.48 | WiFiTux | cafuego, I can't believe I waited so stupidly long for that... OK... thanks. |
| 03:35.52 | in\exhale | I got a new hdd which is a maxtor 80gb. I copied the partitions from my old one which is a wd 20gb. This is the only thing I changed and when I am connection to the net using linuxant's hsf modem drivers the system hard lockups after a few seconds. Any ideas? |
| 03:35.56 | cafuego | michal_: try www.ozservers.com.au - call them and ask if they have cheapies (they're in brisvegas) |
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| 03:36.56 | WiFiTux | cafuego, there is alrady a .12rc1 I wonder... I have never used those... :\ |
| 03:37.34 | cafuego | WiFiTux: It'll probably work. |
| 03:38.16 | WiFiTux | cafuego, I'm stupidly afraid of loading those... heck I'll just do it. |
| 03:38.32 | cafuego | WiFiTux: if it fails, there's always your previous kernel. |
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| 03:39.12 | WiFiTux | cafuego, yeah, crazy...2.6.11-6 has like 3 fixes only... :/ |
| 03:39.12 | cafuego | I'll fetch 'im |
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| 03:39.38 | WiFiTux | cafuego, fetch who? |
| 03:39.41 | cafuego | WiFiTux: They're considered essential non-invasive patches though. |
| 03:39.45 | cafuego | WiFiTux: .12rc1 |
| 03:39.48 | WiFiTux | oh |
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| 03:40.14 | WiFiTux | cafuego, cool. I have a question. how do you remove a kernel you had problems with? Whipe it all! |
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| 03:40.42 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: hello |
| 03:40.59 | drac | WiFiTux: apt-get remove --purge kernel-image-with-the-problem |
| 03:41.01 | WiFiTux | cafe_roy, 12rc1 is a prepatch? i don't get it. Download 2.6.11 and then patch it? |
| 03:41.01 | Opiated | which package has the documentation(man pages and/or info) for scanf/printf, and other c functions and the like |
| 03:41.23 | WiFiTux | drac, no kernel-image buddy. but I guess you are right, if I create my own!! |
| 03:41.53 | cafuego | WiFiTux: You use make-kpkg to build the kernel, so you can apt-get rmove them. |
| 03:42.01 | Opiated | sfio-dev is the only package that shows up if i search with apt for keyword scanf |
| 03:42.07 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Yes, you apply the .12-rc1 patch to 2.6.11 |
| 03:42.26 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Then you need to UNPATCH it before applying the 2.6.12 patch when it is released. |
| 03:42.49 | WiFiTux | cafuego, hhmm too much work... :) cd kernel-source-2.6.11 ; patch < patch-2.6.12rc1? |
| 03:42.54 | bob2 | Opiated: manpages-dev |
| 03:42.58 | bob2 | Opiated: (in the faq) |
| 03:43.06 | cafuego | WiFiTux: patch -p1 |
| 03:43.08 | drac | So, debian patches against kernel 2.6.8-2 doesn't fix security flaws, like the uselib (local root hole) ? |
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| 03:43.24 | hitriko | CLAN CHOWDER!! |
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| 03:43.35 | cafuego | hitriko: No, 'M'. |
| 03:43.40 | michal_ | cafuego: looks like they rent out servers.. not sell them |
| 03:43.48 | Roey | Is there a way to manually set CPU frequency? |
| 03:43.49 | WiFiTux | cafuego, I'll simply remove 2.6.12 and start again... |
| 03:44.00 | cafuego | michal_: That's why I suggested calling them. They'll have a supplier. or maybe old cases. |
| 03:44.02 | bob2 | Roey: within limits, yeah |
| 03:44.05 | Roey | I use powernowd, but I'd like to try setting my cpu freq even lower than 800 Mhz--to, say, 400 Mhz. |
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| 03:44.09 | cafuego | michal_: Want me to ask 'em via irc? |
| 03:44.14 | bob2 | Roey: you probably can't do that |
| 03:44.14 | Roey | hi bob2. |
| 03:44.19 | Roey | bob2: oh. |
| 03:44.28 | cafuego | Roey: Your cpu needs to be able to do that, which it probably can't. |
| 03:44.29 | sciboy | Heya, how do i use debconf and the timezoneconf configlet? |
| 03:44.30 | Roey | bob2: I do like how my box is now cool |
| 03:44.36 | hitriko | whats a good begginer linux distro?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 03:44.37 | bob2 | Roey: usually it can go down about half |
| 03:44.41 | cafuego | hitriko: debian |
| 03:44.42 | bob2 | hitriko: #idiots |
| 03:44.47 | michal_ | cafuego: umm.. yes.. they are on irc? |
| 03:44.50 | buu | hitriko: Add more question marks, I think it's working |
| 03:44.50 | sciboy | debconf stills seems somewhat of a mystery to me =P |
| 03:44.57 | cafuego | michal_: Well, they have an irc based support thingie |
| 03:44.59 | Roey | bob2: oh, I see. Well! It certainly went down from 2000.167 Mhz to 800 Mhz. |
| 03:45.11 | bob2 | Roey: mine goes from 1.2 to 600, but no lower |
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| 03:45.23 | cafuego | mine goes from 1.8 to 1 |
| 03:45.28 | cafuego | and switches off the fan |
| 03:45.29 | Roey | bob2, cafuego interesting. |
| 03:45.29 | bob2 | Roey: it depends on the cpu and chipset, aiui |
| 03:45.38 | Roey | cafuego, bob2: can the XPs do this? |
| 03:45.41 | hitriko | cafuego: is is the last relese not like 3 years old? ^_^? |
| 03:45.42 | bob2 | Roey: you can just echo stuff to /sys to try lower values, tho |
| 03:45.44 | Roey | cafuego: AthlonXP? |
| 03:45.55 | cafuego | Roey: 64 |
| 03:45.56 | Roey | bob2: I see. I hope it won't kill my CPU |
| 03:46.01 | drac | hitriko: yes, so? |
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| 03:46.08 | Roey | cafuego: how about Pentiums, do they support throttling? |
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| 03:46.23 | hitriko | darc: so won't the stuff that comes with it be hella old? |
| 03:46.31 | peterS | Roey: I don't believe they do. that was new with Pentium III or so |
| 03:46.36 | hitriko | darc: sorry if it's a stupid question but i'm still a noob |
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| 03:46.37 | hitriko | -_-; |
| 03:46.45 | drac | hitriko: you install sarge to get newer stuff. |
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| 03:46.54 | Roey | peterS: ok, thank you very much! :) |
| 03:47.03 | hitriko | drac: is it no "unstable" |
| 03:47.18 | drac | hitriko: no unstable is sid. |
| 03:47.32 | Roey | peterS: now I *know* why I prefer Athlons: they're (relatively) cheap, fast, and cool (and thus quieter with a smart CPU fan), |
| 03:48.18 | hitriko | drac: is the install hard? |
| 03:48.18 | Roey | gravity: who? |
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| 03:48.35 | gravity | Roey: Not you :-) |
| 03:48.36 | cafuego | Roey: pentium 3 and up do, i think |
| 03:48.38 | drac | hitriko: hard to say, but i hope you're not. |
| 03:48.38 | sciboy | How do i use debconf? |
| 03:48.41 | peterS | Roey: you might be meaning the term 'pentium' differently than I was. when I see 'pentium' I think of the P5 core that went up to 233 MHz or so. you seem to be speaking of the whole series of Pentium, P-II, P-III, P4, Pentium-M |
| 03:48.53 | gravity | sciboy: To do what? |
| 03:48.54 | michal_ | cafuego: check this out.. wish stuff like this was available in australia :P http://206.14.132.88/products/Travla/c147/C147.html |
| 03:48.55 | Roey | peterS: I refer to Pentium IV as of this year |
| 03:49.01 | hitriko | darc: huh? |
| 03:49.15 | hitriko | darc: whats the difference between unstable and testing? |
| 03:49.21 | WiFiTux | Roey, as of this year, you mean the 775 chipsets? |
| 03:49.26 | Roey | WiFiTux: aye |
| 03:49.27 | peterS | Roey: pretty sure those can throttle their own speed down. I don't know the extent of the capability, I don't own one |
| 03:49.28 | sciboy | gravity: I just installed the "timezoneconf" package, i was wondering how to use it. Its a debconf configlet... |
| 03:49.35 | cafuego | michal_: compuworld, umart and gamedude should have no problem sourcing new ones (they don't have any old ones) |
| 03:49.41 | gravity | sciboy: Probably dpkg-reconfigure timezoneconf |
| 03:49.44 | Roey | peterS: there was this facility in the newer Intel CPUs where they turned off parts that were not active |
| 03:49.52 | Roey | kaplanfx: heya |
| 03:49.58 | kaplanfx | hey Roey |
| 03:50.04 | gravity | sciboy: If all you want to do is set your timezone, then just use tzconfig as root. It's easy. If you want to set your actual clock, that's harder |
| 03:50.27 | WiFiTux | kaplanfx, is a re order to manage the processor specs, Intel is no longer moving on mhz but specs, So they changed the numbering. |
| 03:50.30 | peterS | kaplanfx: apparently the difficulty is that the Pentium M is not really related to the Pentium 4, but to the Pentium III, updated with some newer features and tuned for low power |
| 03:50.40 | OrangeRoot1000 | i have a sony dscp72 camera and am running a 2.6.11 custom kernel for and amd k7, scsi is enabled in the kernel... i am having problems getting this camera to be configured by kde or gtkam... my fstab is wrong or soomething. can anyone help? |
| 03:50.44 | sciboy | gravity: The actual clock, hence why i am trying out the timezoneconf. ;) |
| 03:50.58 | cafuego | michal_: That would cost an arm and a leg here, though. |
| 03:51.01 | drac | OrangeRoot1000: Add yourself to 'camera' group. |
| 03:51.09 | maccadam | question: a newer graphic card that uses PCI-X instead of AGP, is that already supported under GNU/Linux?? |
| 03:51.11 | kaplanfx | peterS: yes, but 2MB L2 cache == good |
| 03:51.20 | gravity | sciboy: Ok, try the dpkg-reconfigure thing |
| 03:51.22 | peterS | kaplanfx: sure |
| 03:51.29 | OrangeRoot1000 | drac: how do i do that? |
| 03:51.34 | WiFiTux | maccadam, mine works fine. |
| 03:51.34 | peterS | kaplanfx: unless you're accustomed to big iron CPUs with 8 MB of L3 |
| 03:51.39 | drac | OrangeRoot1000: adduser OrangeRoot1000 camera |
| 03:51.41 | bob2 | OrangeRoot1000: use a default kernel |
| 03:51.43 | maccadam | WiFiTux: which card do you have :)? |
| 03:51.44 | cafuego | maccadam: Did you mean PCI-E ? |
| 03:51.49 | maccadam | cafuego: jup |
| 03:51.51 | sciboy | gravity: Thanks it worked =) |
| 03:52.04 | maccadam | cafuego: some shops call it PCI-X here in Belgium |
| 03:52.06 | WiFiTux | maccadam, nvidia 5750 PCI E 256mb |
| 03:52.11 | cafuego | maccadam: There's a PCI-E patch in 2.6.11.6 - don't know about older kernels. |
| 03:52.18 | kaplanfx | peterS: I wish, this cpu im using is the best I have ever owned, its only got 512 L2 and I don't even know about L3 |
| 03:52.20 | maccadam | kk let's go shopping then :p |
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| 03:52.22 | hitriko | when was 3.0_r2 released? |
| 03:52.25 | cafuego | maccadam: PCI-X is something completely different. It's 64bit PCI buses. |
| 03:52.27 | WiFiTux | 2.6.8 worked for me and PCI-E |
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| 03:52.39 | gravity | sciboy: Good. For future reference, the "configure-debian" program will show you all the packages that let you use dpkg-reconfigure, and select them from a menu interface |
| 03:52.47 | maccadam | cafuego: hm it's PCI-X then :) |
| 03:52.47 | gravity | Ugh |
| 03:52.47 | cafuego | maccadam: I'm pretty sure older kernels would just detect it as an AGP bus, though. |
| 03:52.54 | gravity | So much for pimping my own warez |
| 03:52.56 | peterS | kaplanfx: L3 is not used on consumer-level chips. mainly you hear about it in higher-end unix boxes and such |
| 03:52.57 | OrangeRoot1000 | drac: kk i am added but still no go |
| 03:53.07 | drac | OrangeRoot1000: then use default kernel like you've been told |
| 03:53.11 | maccadam | cafuego: i'm configuring an AMD64 system |
| 03:53.13 | maccadam | that's why |
| 03:53.19 | kaplanfx | peterS: damn I can't have it? now I really want it :) |
| 03:53.37 | cafuego | maccadam: PCI-E should be fine. |
| 03:53.41 | peterS | kaplanfx: check ebay for pa-risc 2.0 machines, I guess, or similar (: |
| 03:54.10 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: some of those sony cameras aren't usb-storage |
| 03:54.19 | hitriko | peterS: when was 3.0_r2 released? |
| 03:54.22 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: or you have to change modes on the camera |
| 03:54.25 | cafuego | maccadam: What chipset? |
| 03:54.44 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: i had to recompile the kernel b/c the default sarge netinst did not have acpi and i needed it for my laptop |
| 03:54.45 | peterS | hitriko: awhile back. dunno for sure, you might check the archives at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce |
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| 03:54.51 | kaplanfx | peterS: heh http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80144&item=6754923296&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW <--- they mean 2MB L2 cache right? |
| 03:54.58 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: this is ptp mode.. only thing that gtkam will use |
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| 03:55.24 | michal_ | cafuego: it would cost an arm and a leg because this is australia.. not because it was expensive anywhere else in the world :/ |
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| 03:55.49 | kaplanfx | peterS: mmmmmmmm http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11215&item=5763177324&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 03:55.51 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: that's not true .. i'm using a sarge kernel . and it has acpi |
| 03:56.15 | c00l | I'm having "Serial is looped back" when i try to connect with kppp. I'm thinking if this is related to the comma that i use to get the external line, the modem dials normally |
| 03:56.16 | cafuego | michal_: <heh> |
| 03:56.19 | WiFiTux | kaplanfx, that is a 478 CPU not a 775, it won't work. |
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| 03:56.38 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: it was on my system... netinst would hang everytime on my acpi line.. when i turned it off for my laptop install the install proceeded |
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| 03:56.46 | cafuego | michal_: you COULD just get a mini-itx amd64 box for $1500 and forget a silly rackmounted via epia. |
| 03:56.58 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: specifically with the 2.6 kernel but not the 2.4 kernel |
| 03:57.18 | kaplanfx | hmm that second link only comes with 2GB of ECC ram, ibm is getting cheap, hahaha :) |
| 03:57.21 | WiFiTux | kaplanfx, if you are going to buy an MP cpu, get it from a retailer. Ebay won't give an Intel warranty. |
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| 03:57.40 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: i know .. i'm runing kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 . .it has acpi |
| 03:57.46 | kaplanfx | WiFiTux: I wasn't going to buy it, only asking if they made a mistake saying it had L3 cache |
| 03:57.46 | drac | Sorry for the repeat, but can't get this off my head now. Debian patches against kernels (like 2.6.8-2) doesn't fix security flaws like local root (exploit) with uselib? |
| 03:57.48 | asaqwert | hey anyone |
| 03:58.00 | asaqwert | i can't seem to even get debian working :S |
| 03:58.04 | WiFiTux | kaplanfx, it has 4MB L3 cache. |
| 03:58.04 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: anyone left an hour ago |
| 03:58.04 | asaqwert | well, i guess i can |
| 03:58.15 | asaqwert | but i cant get into kdm |
| 03:58.18 | asaqwert | it just flashes the screen |
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| 03:58.24 | asaqwert | and then boots me back to prompt |
| 03:58.25 | kaplanfx | WiFiTux: the ibm box yes, does the P4EE have L2 cache? |
| 03:58.25 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: u r i am sure, but when i did a netinst yesterday acpi would hang my system from a clean harddrive install |
| 03:58.26 | asaqwert | or bash or whatever |
| 03:58.33 | WiFiTux | kaplanfx, 2MB yes. |
| 03:58.39 | asaqwert | does anybody have any idea what i could do ? |
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| 03:58.46 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: only on the 2.6 kernel... i dont think 2.4 is acpi supported |
| 03:58.50 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: your xserver is prob not setup correctly |
| 03:59.02 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: if you say so |
| 03:59.03 | klex_ | how do i make oss emulation to work? |
| 03:59.06 | dondelelcaro | asaqwert: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see what is causing X not to start. |
| 03:59.12 | dondelelcaro | klex_: load the oss emulation module. |
| 03:59.13 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: try running startx from the prompt and see what the error is |
| 03:59.15 | asaqwert | kaplanfs: i'm really new to linux, i have no idea exactly how to do it....it's giving me an error when i check some stuff and it says something about screen |
| 03:59.19 | asaqwert | yea, screen error |
| 03:59.23 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: maybe you should ask your hardware manufacturer to correctly implement acpi? :) |
| 03:59.26 | klex_ | dondelelcaro: modprobe? |
| 03:59.26 | asaqwert | like, no useable screen available |
| 03:59.31 | dondelelcaro | klex_: or modconf |
| 03:59.34 | mercurus | greetings all, I've got everything setup for a bridge and no joy ... |
| 03:59.43 | mercurus | bridge machine can ping both sides |
| 03:59.47 | asaqwert | no idea how to set that up though...:S i thought that i did that when i installed |
| 03:59.51 | klex_ | dondelelcaro: i will try :) |
| 03:59.55 | asaqwert | when i said the resolution and refresh rate |
| 03:59.58 | mercurus | ive set default route on one side to the bridge machine's IP |
| 04:00.03 | asaqwert | :S linux is so fucking confusing |
| 04:00.04 | dondelelcaro | asaqwert: /msg dpkg set up x; then |
| 04:00.10 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: something is wrong with you screen setting, its in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:00.15 | michal_ | cafuego: problem is I'm currently not willing to spend more than around $500AUS total. the most expensive component looks like the case :/ |
| 04:00.20 | asaqwert | so i edit that file kaplan? |
| 04:00.23 | mercurus | in an attempt to cross it, and iptables reports that the packets are crossing and accepted |
| 04:00.27 | mercurus | but no response pings ... |
| 04:00.39 | asaqwert | dondelecaro: what do you mean by that? |
| 04:00.44 | michal_ | cafuego: there's a single mini-itx version of that rack moounted case i pointed you at.. but I bet it would still go for around $400 |
| 04:00.46 | asaqwert | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell asaqwert about set up x |
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| 04:01.17 | dondelelcaro | asaqwert: type that into your IRC client. Or read the documentation for it. It causes you to PRIVMSG the bot |
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| 04:01.29 | cafuego | michal_: probably more then that |
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| 04:01.35 | rottweiler | uit |
| 04:01.57 | asaqwert | ok...he told me some stuff |
| 04:02.02 | michal_ | cafuego: http://206.14.132.88/products/Travla/c146/C146.html .. and that case really shouldn't need to cost more than $250AUS.. that would probably give them a huge profit as is |
| 04:02.14 | asaqwert | that file in etc whatver...do i edit it is it a text file? is that where i change the settings? |
| 04:02.44 | dondelelcaro | asaqwert: don't edit unless you know exactly what you're doing. First things first is to look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 04:03.12 | asaqwert | yea, i looked at that and it said there were problems with screen...the bot told me to apt-get install something? i dunno man this is confusing :S |
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| 04:03.32 | asaqwert | like, every time i've tried to install a linux distro something goes wrong, and i can never seem to compile anything...ARGG im pissed off |
| 04:03.34 | mark | Anyone know anything about wifi antennas? |
| 04:03.35 | dondelelcaro | asaqwert: use the paster bot to paste your XFree86.0.log |
| 04:03.35 | michal_ | cafuego: i mean there are 4RU cases from antec selling for $220 and there is no way you can convince me that a 1RU case is more expensive to manufacture. |
| 04:03.40 | dondelelcaro | !paste |
| 04:03.40 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 04:03.41 | c00l | Sorry for the repeat, but i'm desperade. I'm having "Serial is looped back" when i try to connect with kppp. I'm thinking if this is related to the comma that i use to get the external line, the modem dials normally |
| 04:03.48 | asaqwert | fucking xandros is the only thing i could get working |
| 04:04.09 | asaqwert | i can't paste from anything...i'm not in linux even right now...i had to boot back to windows cuz i dont even know how to install an irc client in linux |
| 04:04.20 | asaqwert | leave lone, i dunno if my network would even work in linux right now, i doubt i have internet connection |
| 04:04.21 | klex_ | what is the name of the module i have to load to make oss emulation? |
| 04:04.23 | WiFiTux | cafuego, ok kernel.org package told me about that crap that was loading alone when doing oldconfig now... cool. let see if it works. |
| 04:04.43 | findme | asaqwert, load xandros, copy the X file over, install debian, overlay the X config file and you should be good to go. |
| 04:05.09 | dondelelcaro | asaqwert: well, it's pretty hard for us to help you if you can't give us the requisite logs. |
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| 04:05.16 | findme | that is what i did with mine , instead of xandros it was suse though |
| 04:05.28 | asaqwert | findme: how do i overlay anything? what is the X file even... |
| 04:05.34 | asaqwert | xandros is gone now anyways |
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| 04:05.55 | findme | i am assuming you are having issues with X-windows |
| 04:05.57 | WiFiTux | i hate the duck in gkrellm. It never goes up... is just there floating, even when I'm amking a new kernel image.! |
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| 04:06.02 | asaqwert | i dunno how ur supposed to help me man, nothing work sin linux, i can't install irc so i cant get here from linux |
| 04:06.11 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: I don't mean to be a RTFM ass, but there is plenty of good documentation about setting up X even debian specific out there if you google for it, it'll be helpful to read that and get a better idea of whats going on, then if you still have problems/questions you can at least ask a specific question or give us some relevent info |
| 04:06.23 | asaqwert | thus i can't really do anything from here, i have to reboot and then try whatever you tell me |
| 04:06.28 | kaplanfx | learning linux takes a lot of patience and a lot of reading |
| 04:06.28 | asaqwert | man, i've been honestly reading shit for days on this crap |
| 04:06.37 | bob2 | asaqwert: sure you can install an IRC client |
| 04:06.38 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: and you don't have to read about it |
| 04:06.40 | bob2 | asaqwert: irssi-text works well |
| 04:06.42 | asaqwert | and none of it helps me any at all....i've spent weeks trying to figure it out |
| 04:06.50 | findme | asaqwert, are you installing on the same disk ? |
| 04:06.51 | bob2 | asaqwert: and if you have no idea about linux, Debian is not the place to start |
| 04:07.02 | nvz | asaqwert: you need to install irssi-text so you can get here, then calm down |
| 04:07.04 | asaqwert | i dont mind reading shit, but like when i go to install something say, i can't even get it to compile or install or whatever you call it |
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| 04:07.06 | klex_ | kaplanfx: thats true.... :P |
| 04:07.10 | kaplanfx | kaplanfx: I mean you don't have to reboot |
| 04:07.13 | asaqwert | how do i install irssi-text |
| 04:07.18 | kaplanfx | sorry |
| 04:07.20 | hitriko | hey guys where do i get sarge, all of the downlaod sites only have the 3.2 release?????!?!?!?!?! |
| 04:07.21 | dondelelcaro | asaqwert: some of us quite clearly know exactly is going on. However, you need to give us the appropriate information. |
| 04:07.23 | bob2 | asaqwert: that's almost always a problem with you not readin the instructions |
| 04:07.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell hitriko about ep |
| 04:07.29 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: did you read about apt-get? |
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| 04:07.30 | bob2 | asaqwert: apt-get install irssi-text, as root |
| 04:07.35 | asaqwert | yea, i sorta know about apt-get |
| 04:07.35 | kaplanfx | dpkg: apt-get |
| 04:07.35 | dpkg | [apt-get] the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about ... |
| 04:07.42 | michal_ | cafuego: actually the more I look at that single mini-itx case the more impressed I am.. it's perfect. best enclosure I've found so far. |
| 04:07.43 | green_earz | c00l: do you have a network card installed ? |
| 04:07.51 | asaqwert | but where do i tell it to get shit from? like what site or whatever |
| 04:07.58 | hitriko | dondelelcaro:ep |
| 04:07.58 | asaqwert | or is that irssi thing on the debian cd? |
| 04:08.06 | asaqwert | i have debian cd's 1-4 |
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| 04:08.30 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: did you setup apt sources in the install? |
| 04:08.36 | c00l | green_earz yes, why? |
| 04:08.48 | asaqwert | and it doesn't really seem to matter what distro i try to use, none of them have even installed other than xandros, which woudln't compile anything for me cuz apparently there wasn't a compiler installed? :S wtf i thought it would be build it |
| 04:08.48 | dondelelcaro | hitriko: and there isn't a 3.2. 3.0 has been released (woody) 3.1 (sarge) will be released RSN, and you can get unofficial cd images of it as well as netinst images. |
| 04:08.57 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: did you use the woody(stable) or sarge(testing) installer? |
| 04:08.59 | asaqwert | yea, i set up the apt sources for cd but i dont know what internet site to send it to |
| 04:09.02 | asaqwert | umm woody |
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| 04:09.13 | green_earz | c00l: as it got a gateway and dns set on it ? |
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| 04:09.16 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: you probably want the sarge installer |
| 04:09.17 | asaqwert | i figured why bother with a testing thing when i cant get a normal one to work |
| 04:09.24 | asaqwert | really? |
| 04:09.25 | asaqwert | fuck |
| 04:09.29 | kaplanfx | dpkg: debian-installer |
| 04:09.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-installer is the replacement for the aging "boot-floppies" installation system used in all previous versions of debian. The Debian Installer will be the installer for future versions of Debian, beginning with sarge. It has been designed to be more modular, easier to use, and more extensible than the old installation system. see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or ask me about d-i |
| 04:09.36 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: woody is really old |
| 04:09.50 | c00l | green_earz gateway no, dns yes, the network is used only for lan |
| 04:09.54 | asaqwert | oh fuck |
| 04:09.56 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: or as some like to call it "mature" or "stable" |
| 04:10.09 | debian | asaqwert: 'testing' should be named 'current' or 'running' |
| 04:10.10 | asaqwert | well really old or what like 6 months old....*-) |
| 04:10.13 | asaqwert | oh |
| 04:10.15 | asaqwert | ok |
| 04:10.15 | c00l | green_earz the internet connection is made by modem |
| 04:10.16 | asaqwert | *sigh* |
| 04:10.18 | gberardi | I2C doesn't let me deselect it in 2.6.11? |
| 04:10.23 | asaqwert | well what should i use instead of debian |
| 04:10.30 | asaqwert | cuz debian seems to bite a dick as far as beginners go :S |
| 04:10.34 | dondelelcaro | asaqwert: you should use Debian sarge. |
| 04:10.34 | green_earz | c00l: is it working ok ? |
| 04:10.35 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: really old like 2002 I believe |
| 04:10.35 | asaqwert | i really hate this |
| 04:10.39 | kaplanfx | if even that new |
| 04:10.46 | klex_ | asaqwert: try ubuntu or something :) |
| 04:10.47 | dondelelcaro | asaqwert: if you're going to complain though, go elsewhere. |
| 04:10.49 | asaqwert | oh wow tahts old |
| 04:10.49 | c00l | green_earz yes, really good |
| 04:11.04 | debian | asaqwert: stable is for thos who want to build a stable production server |
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| 04:11.38 | asaqwert | oh |
| 04:11.38 | asaqwert | ok |
| 04:11.43 | michal_ | cafuego: 160 pounds at one place.. 260 USD at another.. I wonder if it would be cheaper to make my own :/ |
| 04:11.45 | asaqwert | i thought stable meant like, it works |
| 04:11.50 | asaqwert | and testing was like, beta |
| 04:11.51 | green_earz | c00l: and you got it up and runing with kppp, if so nice one. |
| 04:11.52 | asaqwert | or whatever |
| 04:12.01 | debian | asaqwert: it works, so does testing and unstable |
| 04:12.30 | kaplanfx | is it worth it to rip to 192kbps mp3 these days or is 128kbps sutible? I can barely tell the diff on my machine, but I don't want to lose too much info (im using kde's audiocd:/ io slave to rip btw, I think it uses lame) |
| 04:12.44 | asaqwert | 128kbps is fine |
| 04:12.46 | asaqwert | imo |
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| 04:12.56 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: I use sid(unstable) and it typically works without problems |
| 04:13.02 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: just use flac and/or ogg. |
| 04:13.03 | asaqwert | not worth it to bother with the higher one....less space is worth it |
| 04:13.03 | hitriko | dondelelcaro: where do i get the knewest one from? |
| 04:13.12 | dondelelcaro | hitriko: debian.org/CD |
| 04:13.31 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: I'd like to, but I'll be streaming to work and the machines are locked with only WMP to use. |
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| 04:13.41 | c00l | green_earz kppp dials, but when it says starting pppd, the connection goes down |
| 04:13.50 | paster | "scorphus" at 201.19.147.88 pasted "Network improvement with DNS (maybe DNS forwarding)" (86 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/388 |
| 04:13.57 | kaplanfx | I'd go with ogg (I don't really need flac, I'll prob not be burning cd's) |
| 04:14.05 | asaqwert | so where do i tell apt to go for a source? |
| 04:14.14 | asaqwert | like if i wanna download shit instaed of get it off the cd's i have |
| 04:14.26 | hitriko | dondelelcaro: i should download all 7 of the cds? |
| 04:14.26 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:14.34 | kaplanfx | man sources.list for info about it |
| 04:14.39 | asaqwert | oh |
| 04:14.40 | asaqwert | ok |
| 04:14.43 | stew | asaqwert: apt-setup |
| 04:14.44 | dondelelcaro | hitriko: no, if you've got a reasonably fast connection, you don't even need to download any of them |
| 04:14.47 | kaplanfx | you need to be root to edit that file |
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| 04:14.55 | asaqwert | will it give me sites to send it to though? cuz when i setup it before it just asked me for sites |
| 04:15.05 | stew | asaqwert: you want apt-setup |
| 04:15.06 | asaqwert | i'm always root :) i dont care about security at this point i just want it to work :( |
| 04:15.12 | stew | flw |
| 04:15.15 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: nope, try apt-setup |
| 04:15.19 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: eh, depends on the output. I can hear the difference between 128k and 196k on some tracks, assuming I'm listening to them on a good pair of cans... but on normal consumer grade stuff it doesn't matter. |
| 04:15.31 | hitriko | dondelelcaro: i got cable... |
| 04:15.34 | asaqwert | ok apt-setup |
| 04:15.35 | asaqwert | ill try that |
| 04:15.41 | dondelelcaro | hitriko: then you just need the netinst cd |
| 04:15.41 | asaqwert | then i wanna install that irssi thing |
| 04:15.43 | dondelelcaro | !netinst |
| 04:15.43 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 04:15.44 | asaqwert | irssi-text? |
| 04:15.48 | green_earz | c00l: have a look in /usr/share/doc/kppp you need to edit /etc/ppp/options |
| 04:15.49 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: also DO NOT RUN AS ROOT!!!!! |
| 04:15.49 | stew | asaqwert: yes |
| 04:15.56 | asaqwert | and come here from linux? |
| 04:16.01 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: learn to do things the right way |
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| 04:16.14 | c00l | green_earz silent? heeheh |
| 04:16.18 | asaqwert | well at this point im too confused to have more than one user on here |
| 04:16.19 | asaqwert | :S |
| 04:16.28 | Vladi | hi, where is the path set on debian? i seem to be missing alot of stuff? thsx |
| 04:16.34 | stew | asaqwert: you won't be able to irc here as root |
| 04:16.35 | kaplanfx | root is not a user, its a SuperUser! |
| 04:16.42 | hitriko | dondelelcaro: debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 04:16.42 | De_Mon | how do I pipe 2 files, a gzipped and an ungzipped file into grep? |
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| 04:16.47 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.49 | dondelelcaro | hitriko: that's not sarge. |
| 04:16.49 | buu | Vladi: Which path? |
| 04:16.52 | bob2 | Vladi: ~/.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile, /etc/profile |
| 04:16.55 | hitriko | o |
| 04:16.57 | De_Mon | I want to view the output with less |
| 04:16.58 | bob2 | De_Mon: get a better shell ;) |
| 04:17.00 | dondelelcaro | hitriko: you want the installers from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ most likely |
| 04:17.05 | asaqwert | aww i can't irc here wiht being root??? |
| 04:17.10 | asaqwert | why not? |
| 04:17.16 | kaplanfx | the bot will kick you |
| 04:17.21 | stew | asaqwert: its not at all safe |
| 04:17.26 | bob2 | De_Mon: grep blah foo <(gzcat blah.gz) |
| 04:17.26 | buu | kaplanfx: Actually you just get bannewd |
| 04:17.27 | green_earz | c00l: have you got dialup running with pon ? |
| 04:17.32 | buu | There's a ban on users named root |
| 04:17.33 | Vladi | buu: the the one for that lists all the dirs taht have binaries and such |
| 04:17.34 | bob2 | the bot doesn't kick people for that |
| 04:17.34 | kaplanfx | buu: hehe |
| 04:17.37 | buu | Which also bans windows users |
| 04:17.39 | bob2 | it just mocks them for being morons |
| 04:17.40 | kaplanfx | bob2: oh |
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| 04:17.41 | kaplanfx | my bad |
| 04:17.48 | buu | Vladi: $PATH |
| 04:17.51 | asaqwert | what if i dont care about security right now tho |
| 04:17.59 | stew | flw |
| 04:18.05 | buu | asaqwert: You still get banned. |
| 04:18.07 | Vladi | buu: yeah thats the one but its missing alot of dirs |
| 04:18.11 | asaqwert | like whats gonna happen...im one computer who's gonna h/\x0rz me |
| 04:18.12 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: no, don't run as root, you need to learn to do things the right way |
| 04:18.12 | c00l | green_earz pon? |
| 04:18.15 | buu | Vladi: So fix it. |
| 04:18.21 | De_Mon | bob2 intersting, I'll give it a shot |
| 04:18.24 | hitriko | dondelelcaro: all i have to do is boot with this cd and it will download the rest from FTP while i'm installing? |
| 04:18.29 | Vladi | buu: trying to find where its defined at |
| 04:18.30 | asaqwert | shit, that sucks |
| 04:18.36 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: I will haxor you |
| 04:18.38 | asaqwert | ok well im just gonna go get ubuntulinux |
| 04:18.40 | stew | asaqwert: man adduser |
| 04:18.41 | asaqwert | LOL |
| 04:18.41 | Vladi | buu: and what is the default debian one |
| 04:18.44 | buu | Vladi: bob2 told you |
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| 04:18.46 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: just to teach you a lesson |
| 04:18.56 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.57 | asaqwert | im in windows right now :P |
| 04:19.04 | asaqwert | although im sure that prolly just makes it easier |
| 04:19.07 | dondelelcaro | hitriko: it'll only download the parts that you need from whatever mirror you configure it to use |
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| 04:19.31 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: I will haxor you, then I will haxor you mom and your brother and your sister and your father and then your neighbor and you teacher and anyone else you know and love just to teach you NOT TO RUN AS ROOT!!! |
| 04:19.56 | asaqwert | hmm...that bad eh |
| 04:19.56 | scorphus_ | hi, could you pleae help with this issue: http://channels.debian.net/paste/388 |
| 04:20.00 | hitriko | dondelelcaro: so i just boot my computer with that cd in it right? |
| 04:20.12 | asaqwert | hmm |
| 04:20.19 | dondelelcaro | scorphus_: if someone hasn't answered you yet, what I'd suggest using is a DNS server on the firewall box itself, and/or automatically rewriting the domain-name-server option from a up hook in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:20.26 | dondelelcaro | hitriko: yes. |
| 04:20.28 | mrhemlock | kaplanfx, if you will kill mommy, i will be back as root |
| 04:20.31 | asaqwert | well im getting rid of debian...cuz im not gonna download a bunch of cd's again...has anyone else had experience with ubuntu |
| 04:20.33 | asaqwert | and do they like it? |
| 04:20.34 | dondelelcaro | hitriko: you should also read the install manual. |
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| 04:20.45 | stew | asaqwert: #ubuntu |
| 04:20.45 | kaplanfx | mrhemlock: you sick fuck |
| 04:20.53 | hitriko | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 04:20.55 | green_earz | c00l: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/peripherals/modem.html |
| 04:21.07 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: not a bunch of cd's, get the net installer = 1 cd = less than 100MB |
| 04:21.11 | kaplanfx | iirc |
| 04:21.17 | kikid | i have a wireless lan chip set ralink 2500 i got it up but when i run encryption key it won't let me connect online??? |
| 04:21.19 | scorphus_ | dondelelcaro: thanks, noone had answered yet |
| 04:21.20 | asaqwert | :S |
| 04:21.24 | mrhemlock | kaplanfx, you havn't met my mother |
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| 04:21.29 | asaqwert | <--- sooo confused |
| 04:21.36 | chealer | well, the netinstall itself is about 100 MB or a bit more, most likely |
| 04:21.38 | kaplanfx | mrhemlock: nor do I want to, unless she is a MILF |
| 04:21.52 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: dude |
| 04:21.57 | mrhemlock | MILF ? |
| 04:21.57 | chealer | asaqwert: hey, what's confusing you? |
| 04:22.02 | green_earz | c00l: and on the network card you need no dns or gateway setup on it |
| 04:22.04 | bob2 | kaplanfx: go away |
| 04:22.04 | scorphus_ | dondelelcaro: what you mean by "up hook"? |
| 04:22.07 | kaplanfx | dpkg: tell asaqwert about debian-installer |
| 04:22.11 | asaqwert | man everything...like honestly i can't even compile a program |
| 04:22.15 | asaqwert | i've gone through like 4 tutorials |
| 04:22.20 | kaplanfx | bob2: what did I do? |
| 04:22.20 | asaqwert | that were supposed to at least get linux installed |
| 04:22.21 | bob2 | asaqwert: you don't need to compile anything |
| 04:22.24 | dondelelcaro | scorphus_: man 5 interfaces; read about the pre-up and up hooks. |
| 04:22.25 | asaqwert | and NONE of them got it working |
| 04:22.33 | scorphus_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 04:22.42 | buu | asaqwert: Correction, they are supposed to teach you how to get it working. *You* failed to get it working, four times. |
| 04:22.42 | asaqwert | ok |
| 04:22.47 | dondelelcaro | scorphus_: although, I personally use the first option. |
| 04:22.51 | asaqwert | right, i did fail to get it working |
| 04:22.54 | bob2 | buu: please don't be a dick |
| 04:23.07 | bob2 | asaqwert: Debian is not a beginner's OS. try ubuntu if yo uwant something simpler. |
| 04:23.15 | c00l | green_earz error 406 - not acceptible |
| 04:23.17 | asaqwert | but if i follow each step and use some common sense, i should be able to get it working, and at least one out of four times i'd think that something would go right |
| 04:23.21 | buu | bob2: Too late |
| 04:23.25 | scorphus_ | dondelelcaro: do you recommend any docs on setting up a DNS server? |
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| 04:23.27 | chealer | asaqwert: what do you need to compile? |
| 04:23.29 | stew | asaqwert: which installer are you trying? |
| 04:23.43 | kaplanfx | mrhemlock: MILF = Mom I'd Like to F**K |
| 04:23.46 | asaqwert | well nothing right now....but i mean i was trying to before to get something to work and apparently i didn't evne have a compiler |
| 04:23.51 | asaqwert | im trying the woody one |
| 04:23.53 | asaqwert | yes i know its old |
| 04:23.57 | bob2 | kaplanfx: mrhemlock this sounds stupid and off-topic, kthxbye |
| 04:23.59 | asaqwert | i didn't know that before i burned 4 cd's for it.... |
| 04:24.00 | asaqwert | *sigh* |
| 04:24.01 | stew | asaqwert: apt-get install build-essential |
| 04:24.06 | bob2 | asaqwert: woody is old and a pain in the arse to get working on new hardware |
| 04:24.25 | mrhemlock | kaplanfx, and you call me sick ;) |
| 04:24.29 | kaplanfx | haha |
| 04:24.36 | asaqwert | oh really? its HARDER to get working |
| 04:24.39 | asaqwert | shit.... |
| 04:24.52 | asaqwert | well should i just go with ubuntu then if im gonna reinstall anyways...or should i really try and get sarge working? |
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| 04:24.54 | mrhemlock | bob2, sorry all done |
| 04:24.57 | green_earz | c00l: as su > pppconfig and setup your dialup |
| 04:25.01 | asaqwert | like im not a beginner to computers |
| 04:25.03 | asaqwert | just linux |
| 04:25.04 | kaplanfx | bob2: yes, we shall behave |
| 04:25.08 | asaqwert | and i've done tons of dos and shit |
| 04:25.12 | asaqwert | so i know command line |
| 04:25.14 | bob2 | asaqwert: yes, woody is a bad choice |
| 04:25.16 | asaqwert | just not linux too well yet |
| 04:25.22 | dondelelcaro | scorphus_: any of the caching dns servers will do what you want to do... dnsmasq I think will work reasonably well. |
| 04:25.22 | asaqwert | yea, i know woody's a bad choice |
| 04:25.23 | stew | asaqwert: the sarge installer is much much easier |
| 04:25.27 | asaqwert | 13 ppl have told me that |
| 04:25.40 | c00l | green_earz dont worry too much, i think is a kernel module error (ppp_generic and slhc) |
| 04:25.42 | asaqwert | sarge or ubuntu tho for someone who's new to linux |
| 04:25.45 | asaqwert | but not comps in general |
| 04:25.46 | asaqwert | ? |
| 04:26.04 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: you want kde or gnome? |
| 04:26.08 | asaqwert | kde |
| 04:26.08 | asaqwert | badly |
| 04:26.14 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: try kubuntu then |
| 04:26.18 | asaqwert | i used gnome somewhere and it was poopy |
| 04:26.20 | c00l | green_earz could be, right? |
| 04:26.25 | asaqwert | kubuntu...where's that at? |
| 04:26.30 | scorphus_ | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot |
| 04:26.34 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: its part of the ubuntu project but will install kde as default |
| 04:26.38 | asaqwert | oh |
| 04:26.39 | asaqwert | ok |
| 04:26.41 | k3k0 | wtf is ubuntu :D |
| 04:26.42 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: #kubuntu |
| 04:26.49 | bob2 | "poopy" |
| 04:26.51 | asaqwert | do i d/t it from the same website as ubuntu |
| 04:26.51 | bob2 | how insightful |
| 04:26.53 | green_earz | c00l: pppconfig can have a problem in auto detecting the serial port. |
| 04:26.59 | asaqwert | yea, i'm pretty philisophical right now |
| 04:27.02 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: and its got the new kde 3.4 which is nice and friendly for you |
| 04:27.06 | asaqwert | sweet |
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| 04:27.14 | chealer | asaqwert: get ubuntu, if you want ubuntu...sarge if you want debian |
| 04:27.18 | michal_ | anyone here know anything about wireless antennas?? Not sure how to interpret the data here: http://www.rfshop.com.au/spdg160.doc |
| 04:27.44 | k3k0 | asaqwert: dont use that ubuntu shit, debian better! |
| 04:28.00 | chealer | hey michal_, did you finally get that "upgrade to woody" to work? |
| 04:28.01 | asaqwert | chealer: i dont care what i have to be honest, i want kde and i want linux, and i want it to work wihtout me spending a week fucking with it |
| 04:28.13 | asaqwert | if i have suse im fine if it works |
| 04:28.22 | asaqwert | or gentoo |
| 04:28.23 | asaqwert | or anything |
| 04:28.25 | asaqwert | if it works |
| 04:28.32 | asaqwert | but ive tried gentoo |
| 04:28.35 | asaqwert | gentus (i know its old) |
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| 04:28.39 | asaqwert | redhat something |
| 04:28.40 | asaqwert | debian |
| 04:28.41 | asaqwert | suse |
| 04:28.43 | asaqwert | xandros |
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| 04:28.50 | chealer | !tell asaqwert about enter |
| 04:28.50 | asaqwert | and xandros worked |
| 04:28.51 | c00l | green_earz it detects perfectly |
| 04:29.00 | k3k0 | asaqwert: so install debian basic and x-window-system kde |
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| 04:29.10 | stew | michal_: what do you need to know? |
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| 04:29.18 | Lee__ | is there a boot file like /etc/rc.local in Debian? |
| 04:29.19 | asaqwert | haha, the enter key is not a substitution for punctuation |
| 04:29.22 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: half the fun of linux is learning how it ticks |
| 04:29.24 | michal_ | chealer: ah let me check.. i left it downloading a whole bunch of stuff the other day.. |
| 04:29.33 | asaqwert | debian basic...ok....thats from the sarge installer? |
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| 04:29.42 | k3k0 | yep |
| 04:29.43 | asaqwert | ok |
| 04:29.44 | bob2 | Lee__: no, /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 04:29.46 | asaqwert | ima go d/l that |
| 04:29.53 | asaqwert | omg i hope this works |
| 04:29.57 | k3k0 | :) |
| 04:30.02 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: sarge net install is what you want |
| 04:30.06 | k3k0 | it works.. belive me |
| 04:30.20 | k3k0 | new installer is cool |
| 04:30.29 | chealer | asaqwert: just come back if here if you get problems and debian.org/google can't help you |
| 04:30.29 | shakparl | i can vouch on the sarge net install it is very nice - do the linux26 |
| 04:30.32 | shakparl | 2.6 kernel |
| 04:30.36 | michal_ | stew: I'm intersted to know if that antenna would be overkill to establish a strong connection to a line of sight antenna just like it about 70m away but at a slightly different height.. say 5 metres difference |
| 04:30.55 | Lee__ | bob2: woah, I was so much happier using the "lazy" method |
| 04:31.00 | green_earz | c00l: pppconfig doing its job and remenber to remove the gateway and dns on the net card. etherconf to help with that job |
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| 04:31.43 | asaqwert | ok, so there's like 13 cds for sarge |
| 04:31.45 | michal_ | stew: they don't make wireless antennas which radiate the signal in a spherical pattern do they? |
| 04:31.51 | asaqwert | i've got a duron, i want the i386 arch right? |
| 04:31.55 | chealer | asaqwert: download one, or the netinstall. right |
| 04:31.57 | asaqwert | do i just want cd 1 then or what? |
| 04:32.05 | asaqwert | not netinstall i dont wanna bother with that |
| 04:32.08 | stew | michal_: no, this antenna is only 8dbi, so its not an extremely powerful, i didn't get a drawing but it looks like a vertical whip antenna |
| 04:32.10 | asaqwert | i doubt that the internet will even work from linux |
| 04:32.12 | chealer | so CD 1 only |
| 04:32.17 | michal_ | stew: i can understand the H plane in that doc but have no idea what the E plane is |
| 04:32.22 | asaqwert | nothing seems to, esp. internet |
| 04:32.24 | bob2 | asaqwert: er, why do you doubt that? |
| 04:32.30 | chealer | asaqwert: heh, that's going to be less fun then |
| 04:32.40 | michal_ | stew: http://www.rfshop.com.au/spdgj60.jpg |
| 04:33.00 | asaqwert | less fun? will it work easier tho? |
| 04:33.07 | asaqwert | or can i get more/better stuff from net install |
| 04:33.14 | bob2 | it's identical |
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| 04:33.17 | asaqwert | oh |
| 04:33.21 | michal_ | stew: well i was under the impression that a total of about 15dbi for connections under 2km was fine.. 70 metres is certainly under 2km |
| 04:33.21 | bob2 | but far more annoying to download a 700MB iso |
| 04:33.22 | stew | michal_: it would be fine for you application |
| 04:33.26 | asaqwert | might as well get the cd then...i get teh cd for everything else |
| 04:33.34 | asaqwert | meh 2 hours |
| 04:33.35 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: netinstall means you download only the packages you choose |
| 04:33.44 | michal_ | stew: does the variance in heigh cause a problem? |
| 04:33.46 | kaplanfx | "on demand" |
| 04:33.51 | asaqwert | but then i have to manually choose each package from the like 40000 packages available? |
| 04:33.59 | asaqwert | like go through dselect manually choosing each one? :S |
| 04:34.06 | asaqwert | i did that for a whiel once and after like an hour i said fuck it |
| 04:34.09 | kaplanfx | tasksel can do some stuff for you I believe |
| 04:34.10 | stew | michal_: no it shouldn't, the lower the dbi, the less directed |
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| 04:34.15 | bob2 | no, you'd never do that |
| 04:34.15 | kaplanfx | or is tasksel depreciated? |
| 04:34.18 | gravity | asaqwert: tasksel is your friend |
| 04:34.18 | bob2 | since it would be pointless |
| 04:34.19 | asaqwert | yea, tasksel didn't do much fo rme |
| 04:34.20 | gravity | kaplanfx: No way |
| 04:34.22 | asaqwert | it did some i guess |
| 04:34.25 | nullvoid | hi bob2 |
| 04:34.26 | gravity | kaplanfx: It's being constantly improved actually |
| 04:34.27 | asaqwert | but like obviously none of it worked |
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| 04:34.33 | green_earz | c00l: and when you the dialup working ok, have a look at seting it mtu size to 576 in /etc/ppp/options have a google around for some background info |
| 04:34.49 | gravity | asaqwert: How did tasksel not work for you? |
| 04:34.50 | michal_ | stew: indeed I'm interested if a lesser antenna would be enough. |
| 04:34.54 | asaqwert | well i dunno |
| 04:34.55 | asaqwert | nvm |
| 04:34.56 | rsff | Guys, What is that comand that converts from one charset to another? I need to convert a file from UTF-8 to ISO-8859-1... |
| 04:34.59 | kaplanfx | gravity: I have used it on maybe a year and a half, when I install now I just apt-get everything after I get a base install |
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| 04:35.00 | michal_ | stew: oh.. i was usingthe comment at the bottom of http://www.rfshop.com.au/ant.htm as a guide |
| 04:35.01 | asaqwert | it doesn't matter im downloading a new install |
| 04:35.10 | asaqwert | hopefully it just works and i dont have to fuck around |
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| 04:35.24 | gravity | kaplanfx: Well it's not ideal for everyone, but it's defititely alive |
| 04:35.28 | michal_ | stew: my other concern is how long can I make the cable between the actual antenna and the access point before it becomes a problem |
| 04:35.31 | bob2 | rsff: iconv |
| 04:35.32 | gravity | kaplanfx: aptitude actually has an interface to tasks |
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| 04:35.38 | asaqwert | why can't this actually just work instead of having to screw with stupid little things all the time? idont understand |
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| 04:35.46 | asaqwert | if M$ can do it can't linux |
| 04:35.49 | bob2 | asaqwert: it does for everyone else |
| 04:35.53 | bob2 | asaqwert: if it doesnt for you, file bugs |
| 04:35.57 | kaplanfx | gravity: yeah I use aptitude actually rather than apt-get, whats the tasks interface? |
| 04:35.59 | rsff | thanks bob2 |
| 04:36.01 | bob2 | whinging on IRC just makes people not bother |
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| 04:36.22 | gravity | kaplanfx: It's in the interactive mode. Just start it up and read the different options. One is tasks. |
| 04:36.23 | stew | michal_: if you are doing point to point, you shoul maybe be looking at directed antennas and not an omnidirectional antenna |
| 04:36.27 | gravity | kaplanfx: It's the same thing as tasksel ahs |
| 04:36.31 | gravity | s/ahs/has/ |
| 04:36.41 | kaplanfx | I just don't like that aptitude doesn't have an apt-cache equivilent, i.e. how do I see the policy of a package from aptitude? |
| 04:37.10 | gravity | kaplanfx: Select the package and press "enter" |
| 04:37.11 | asaqwert | meh |
| 04:37.12 | asaqwert | w/e |
| 04:37.13 | kaplanfx | also aptitude search sometimes displays packages that when I try to install don't exist |
| 04:37.19 | asaqwert | ill try this |
| 04:37.22 | kaplanfx | gravity: what about from the command line? |
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| 04:37.26 | gravity | kaplanfx: The only thing it doesn't have the equivalent of, as far as I know, is the ability to do an apt-cache search |
| 04:37.30 | bboy | #norte |
| 04:37.38 | gravity | kaplanfx: I don't know... I'll check. I almost always use it in interactive mode |
| 04:37.50 | rixth | Just out of interest, WC3's vaildator doesn't care anymore if you close your <body> and <html> tags! |
| 04:37.51 | kaplanfx | yeah, needs an apt-cache search, cuase you don't get descriptions in the search results |
| 04:37.59 | bnoji | Is there a single-sign-on method for linux? |
| 04:38.04 | gravity | bnoji: ldap |
| 04:38.09 | gravity | bnoji: Combined with pam |
| 04:38.09 | Lee__ | bnoji: kerberos |
| 04:38.14 | gravity | Ah yeah, and kerberos |
| 04:38.16 | rsff | so what do I do if I get an ilegal sequence? |
| 04:38.17 | gravity | Good call |
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| 04:38.41 | michal_ | stew: well there will be 5 points :P it's on a cul de sac and the houses happen to be in a 270 degree quarter circle pattern at the end of the street |
| 04:38.45 | bnoji | gravity: When you log into the network...what user are you on the local machine? |
| 04:38.45 | Lee__ | Active Directory == LDAP + DNS + Kerberos + lameness |
| 04:38.50 | kaplanfx | I always think CareBearO's when I read that |
| 04:39.04 | kaplanfx | I think of those fuzzy little bears with the hearts and stars on their tummies |
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| 04:39.06 | gravity | bnoji: Er... hm? |
| 04:39.21 | gravity | bnoji: However you set it up really... |
| 04:39.22 | Lee__ | bnoji: it sounds like you need to read the Samba docs |
| 04:39.39 | stew | michal_: ahh, yeah then you want an omni |
| 04:39.47 | michal_ | stew: my goal i guess is to spend as little as possible for the best signal possible. |
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| 04:40.23 | stew | michal_: if there was a diagram of the radiation pattern in that doc then you can look up the loss for 5 meters at 70 meters easily (if there was a diagram it didn't show up in abiword) |
| 04:40.26 | chealer | asaqwert: for instance checking "Desktop environment" in the Sarge install will automatically install KDE |
| 04:40.32 | Omniflux | When I run "scsiformat /dev/sdd" I get "Warning, unable to turn swap off on /dev/sdd1!", yet there is no swap on that device. Any ideas what I need to do to fix this? |
| 04:40.34 | michal_ | stew: i'm worried that the cable between the antenna and the access point might need to be 15 - 20 metres though |
| 04:40.37 | bnoji | gravity: If a user logs into the equiv of a windows domain...and their network login is 'user'...what are they logged in as on the local machine? |
| 04:40.46 | sean_micken | i would like to add a few more mirrors to my sources.list, how do i run that program that was ran during the inttall? |
| 04:40.49 | kaplanfx | gravity: whoa, I really only used the interactive mode for aptitude once when I first read about it, its way more slick than I remember |
| 04:40.49 | asaqwert | chealer: ok cool....sarge seems A LOT better than woody |
| 04:40.55 | bob2 | sean_micken: why? |
| 04:40.55 | asaqwert | im downloading it right now, hopefully it works better |
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| 04:40.57 | asaqwert | thansk |
| 04:41.06 | stew | michal_: i'm not sure how bad that is |
| 04:41.09 | sean_micken | bob2: cause the one i'm using is broke. |
| 04:41.14 | stew | michal_: http://www.google.com/search?q=arctan%28+5+%2F+70%29+in+degrees |
| 04:41.14 | gravity | kaplanfx: Yeah, I adore it |
| 04:41.19 | michal_ | stew: there was for the horizontal plain but I don't know that it was in metres.. and the E plane was meaningless to me. I don't know what it is |
| 04:41.22 | stew | michal_: about feed cables you might wanna ask in #wireless |
| 04:41.26 | gravity | kaplanfx: As for apt-cache policy "aptitude show foo" |
| 04:41.27 | chealer | asaqwert: indeed...we all really want to see it released soon (AND stable :) ) |
| 04:41.40 | bob2 | sean_micken: apt-setup |
| 04:41.41 | michal_ | stew: ah, is that what you'd call it? a feed cable? |
| 04:41.45 | Roey | er |
| 04:41.49 | bnoji | I have a bunch of windows clients too that need to login |
| 04:41.50 | asaqwert | oh hey... |
| 04:41.54 | asaqwert | i get the i386 arch right? |
| 04:41.57 | kaplanfx | gravity: yeah I know about that, its not exactly what I want but it will do |
| 04:42.02 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: for a duron, yes |
| 04:42.16 | Roey | as soon as Debian includes xorg and native amd64 support (i.e., Alioth's amd64 port inlcuded in Debian Proper), I'm switching back from Ubuntu.. |
| 04:42.23 | gravity | kaplanfx: Yeah... aptitude search only seems to search names and description lines, not the long package description |
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| 04:42.27 | asaqwert | ok cool |
| 04:42.32 | gravity | Although I'd bet there's a way to have it do so |
| 04:42.35 | asaqwert | seems like this should be the ticket |
| 04:42.36 | asaqwert | i hope |
| 04:42.37 | asaqwert | so bad |
| 04:42.47 | kaplanfx | Roey: what makes you think debian will ever include xorg ;) |
| 04:42.56 | gravity | kaplanfx: It will |
| 04:43.02 | gravity | It's being worked on |
| 04:43.04 | kaplanfx | Roey: after all, its not going to be included till "after sarge" |
| 04:43.08 | asaqwert | illl include it |
| 04:43.09 | Framus | does anyone here have any suggestions on a good CD burning program for linux ? |
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| 04:43.21 | gravity | Framus: k3b is well liked |
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| 04:43.29 | holycow | Framus, k3b or nautilus in gnome for basic burning |
| 04:43.34 | Framus | thanks |
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| 04:43.52 | stew | michal_: the eplane diagram is for the strength of signal for the number of degrees from the horizontal |
| 04:43.54 | skel_home | quick question.. anyone know of any rouge / experimental apt source for openoffice.orgs beta 2? |
| 04:44.21 | Roey | kaplanfx: ah |
| 04:44.22 | kaplanfx | Framus: there is a nero ver for linux now, apperently its decent, but its not free as in beer or speech |
| 04:44.32 | stew | michal_: 5 meters over 70 is about 4 degrees, you can look at that table and see what the strength is at 4 degrees |
| 04:44.36 | Roey | kaplanfx: you sound as if Debian Etch is the messiah |
| 04:44.44 | Roey | kaplanfx: and waiting for the meshiach.. well, heh |
| 04:44.45 | kaplanfx | Etch? |
| 04:44.58 | Roey | kaplanfx: the next Testing |
| 04:45.03 | kaplanfx | ah right |
| 04:45.12 | Roey | kaplanfx: sid is always sid but sarge gives way to etch |
| 04:45.17 | stew | michal_: and a lower dbi antenna will be more forgiving for being not at the same altitude at the expense of the strenght at equal altitude |
| 04:45.22 | stew | michal_: bedtime, good luck |
| 04:45.23 | asaqwert | whats sid? |
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| 04:45.26 | asaqwert | acid? :O |
| 04:45.29 | asaqwert | mmmmm |
| 04:45.33 | gravity | asaqwert: The Debian unstable branch |
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| 04:45.37 | asaqwert | oh |
| 04:45.40 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: SID = the unsatble branch |
| 04:45.43 | asaqwert | i thought that was sarge |
| 04:45.45 | asaqwert | ? |
| 04:45.47 | michal_ | stew: ok.. i couldn't figure out how to visualise that diagram in that manner though. i see.. so at the horizontal plane the signal carries at 4 degrees from the origin ? (my mathematics sucks and verbalising what I'm imagining it is a problem :P ) |
| 04:45.49 | gravity | asaqwert: No, that's currently testing |
| 04:45.51 | asaqwert | testing unstable |
| 04:45.52 | asaqwert | oh |
| 04:45.56 | asaqwert | ok |
| 04:45.57 | asaqwert | whats newer |
| 04:45.58 | chealer | !tell asaqwert about releases |
| 04:46.00 | gravity | asaqwert: When sarge is done, sarge will become stable and etch will become the new testing |
| 04:46.01 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: its always called sid, named after the kid next door in toy story who breaks toys |
| 04:46.08 | michal_ | stew: ok.. thanks.. goodnight |
| 04:46.12 | asaqwert | etch |
| 04:46.15 | asaqwert | oh hahaha thats awesome |
| 04:46.25 | asaqwert | etch is what then? |
| 04:46.27 | kaplanfx | yes they are all toy story names |
| 04:46.29 | gravity | asaqwert: unstable is newer. Most new packages are uploaded to unstable. They then migrate to testing after a certain amount of time |
| 04:46.29 | kaplanfx | hence woody |
| 04:46.31 | asaqwert | if sarge is unstable |
| 04:46.36 | kaplanfx | sarge |
| 04:46.38 | gravity | asaqwert: etch-a-sketch from Toy Story |
| 04:46.40 | kaplanfx | etc... |
| 04:46.40 | asaqwert | etch is what? and sid is testing |
| 04:46.42 | asaqwert | yea i know |
| 04:46.46 | asaqwert | so right now |
| 04:46.47 | nullvoid | is there a way to validate an email (postfix) address prior accepting the email? |
| 04:46.47 | asaqwert | woody is stable |
| 04:46.48 | gravity | asaqwert: Sarge isn't unstable. Sarge is testing |
| 04:46.52 | kaplanfx | right |
| 04:46.52 | asaqwert | sarge is testing |
| 04:46.55 | kaplanfx | right |
| 04:46.55 | asaqwert | sid is unstable |
| 04:46.58 | asaqwert | etch is? |
| 04:46.59 | kaplanfx | yup |
| 04:47.00 | stew | michal_: so that diagram has 0db at 0deg and 180 deg (the horizontal plane) as you leave the horizontal plane the signal strength goes down. -3db == 50% power, -6db == 25%power |
| 04:47.02 | asaqwert | my mom? |
| 04:47.03 | gravity | asaqwert: Sid is unstable. Etch is the next testing, but it exists in nothing but name |
| 04:47.04 | chealer | asaqwert: etch is nothing yet. it will be testing |
| 04:47.05 | nullvoid | sid is unstable not testing |
| 04:47.05 | kaplanfx | etch will be testing |
| 04:47.08 | asaqwert | oh |
| 04:47.09 | asaqwert | ok |
| 04:47.11 | kaplanfx | when sarge becomes stable |
| 04:47.12 | asaqwert | so can u even get etch? |
| 04:47.14 | asaqwert | right now? |
| 04:47.16 | kaplanfx | sid is always unstable |
| 04:47.19 | chealer | asaqwert: no |
| 04:47.21 | gravity | asaqwert: As soon as sarge comes out and becomes stable, etch will become testing |
| 04:47.21 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: it doens't even exist |
| 04:47.24 | asaqwert | oh sid is always unstable? |
| 04:47.26 | FlimFlamMan | i swear to christ my co-workers are lizards. it's gotta be 75 degrees in here |
| 04:47.30 | asaqwert | ok, so whats the unstable one called right now? |
| 04:47.32 | kaplanfx | yup |
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| 04:47.36 | gravity | asaqwert: Yes, because we never release from unstable, only testing |
| 04:47.41 | asaqwert | oh |
| 04:47.44 | kaplanfx | sid is always unstable cause he breaks your toys |
| 04:47.47 | asaqwert | hahaha |
| 04:47.49 | asaqwert | thats wicked |
| 04:47.49 | asaqwert | lol |
| 04:47.52 | asaqwert | ok |
| 04:47.56 | asaqwert | so i dont wanna play with cid |
| 04:47.59 | asaqwert | but testing is ok? |
| 04:48.01 | nullvoid | kaplanfx: depends my sid doesn't break |
| 04:48.02 | chealer | definitely noty |
| 04:48.06 | asaqwert | yea |
| 04:48.07 | chealer | yes testing is ok |
| 04:48.08 | asaqwert | but sid will break me |
| 04:48.10 | asaqwert | for sure |
| 04:48.11 | asaqwert | ok |
| 04:48.11 | kaplanfx | nullvoid: nor does mine |
| 04:48.14 | asaqwert | can i use etch? |
| 04:48.16 | asaqwert | is it cooler? |
| 04:48.22 | peterS | asaqwert: etch doesn't exist yet |
| 04:48.24 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: it doesn't exist |
| 04:48.25 | chealer | asaqwert: it doesn't exist yet |
| 04:48.28 | asaqwert | oh...fuck |
| 04:48.32 | asaqwert | but they're making it? |
| 04:48.37 | gravity | asaqwert: etch does not exist right now |
| 04:48.48 | gravity | asaqwert: Eventually, but we're working on sarge still right now |
| 04:48.49 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: it isn't being made |
| 04:48.51 | asaqwert | ahhh |
| 04:48.52 | asaqwert | ok |
| 04:48.52 | chealer | asaqwert: no, wait for sarge to be released and start talking about etch |
| 04:48.55 | asaqwert | i see |
| 04:48.57 | michal_ | stew: thanks for that. i will have to think it over some more but I think I understand |
| 04:48.58 | nullvoid | wow |
| 04:49.00 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: it starts life when sarge is released as stable |
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| 04:49.03 | nullvoid | chill man |
| 04:49.04 | asaqwert | ok well i get it now |
| 04:49.10 | asaqwert | im d/ling sarge |
| 04:49.11 | kaplanfx | peterS: exactly ;) |
| 04:49.12 | asaqwert | :) |
| 04:49.19 | asaqwert | i hope its dope |
| 04:49.20 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: good, get sarge |
| 04:49.22 | holycow | what is etch? |
| 04:49.23 | asaqwert | wow that rhymes |
| 04:49.24 | asaqwert | :D |
| 04:49.26 | kaplanfx | yes its dope |
| 04:49.27 | asaqwert | etch is nothing! |
| 04:49.30 | holycow | oh next release |
| 04:49.30 | asaqwert | it doesn't exist! |
| 04:49.31 | holycow | gotcha |
| 04:49.32 | asaqwert | HAHAHA!!! |
| 04:49.39 | asaqwert | apparently anyways... |
| 04:49.45 | asaqwert | ooo0000oooo00ooo |
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| 04:49.50 | asaqwert | lol ok thanks guys |
| 04:49.53 | asaqwert | ur pretty helpful actually |
| 04:49.54 | michal_ | stew: still not sure what real world afffect this will have but at least I might have realistic expectations :) |
| 04:49.54 | kaplanfx | asaqwert: all you need to know is that you want sarge |
| 04:49.55 | nullvoid | well google doesn't know about etch |
| 04:49.56 | chealer | asaqwert: great...now we let you teach newbies :) |
| 04:49.57 | asaqwert | despite all my bs |
| 04:50.05 | asaqwert | u've been helpful |
| 04:50.09 | asaqwert | thx |
| 04:50.11 | kaplanfx | nullvoid: I bet google groups does |
| 04:50.11 | asaqwert | ill be back |
| 04:50.14 | asaqwert | most definetly |
| 04:50.19 | holycow | oh god no |
| 04:50.23 | asaqwert | lol |
| 04:50.25 | holycow | have mercy! |
| 04:50.26 | asaqwert | i know |
| 04:50.28 | holycow | don't come back! |
| 04:50.31 | holycow | -_- |
| 04:50.32 | nullvoid | kaplanfx: I don't think so |
| 04:50.33 | chealer | asaqwert: just moderate your use of the enter key and you'll be welcome...please ;) |
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| 04:50.36 | michal_ | stew: does the fact that the AP will be able to (supposedly) transmit at 251mw have any bearing on the situation? |
| 04:50.40 | kaplanfx | nullvoid: yes, http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=debian+etch |
| 04:50.47 | asaqwert | man u guys gotta learn about the enter key |
| 04:50.48 | asaqwert | its sweet |
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| 04:51.00 | chealer | asaqwert: we don't like it so much on IRC |
| 04:51.03 | holycow | so is a good ban |
| 04:51.05 | holycow | >_> |
| 04:51.06 | asaqwert | u hit it after every few words....just cuz...i dunno....lol i dunno how it even started |
| 04:51.08 | kaplanfx | !tell asaqwert about enter |
| 04:51.10 | asaqwert | yea i know i wont do it anymore |
| 04:51.15 | chealer | asaqwert: in channels with over 700 people |
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| 04:51.17 | asaqwert | yea u've told me about enter like 3 times now lol |
| 04:51.36 | asaqwert | yea i guess eh.....u'd have ppl willing up the screen in NOOOO time for sure....i'll be sure to use periods instead ;) |
| 04:51.40 | nullvoid | kaplanfx: nothing there |
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| 04:51.57 | chealer | asaqwert: cool...good luck with debian-installer |
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| 04:52.02 | nullvoid | kaplanfx: google says: Did you mean: debian etc |
| 04:52.04 | nullvoid | ahaks |
| 04:52.06 | asaqwert | thx |
| 04:52.12 | asaqwert | ill be back...hopefully from linux |
| 04:52.19 | asaqwert | btw what was that irc called i should get for liux? |
| 04:52.28 | asaqwert | something esay to use |
| 04:52.29 | asaqwert | haha |
| 04:52.38 | kaplanfx | nullvoid: oh, I see what you mean |
| 04:52.46 | kaplanfx | nullvoid: but you get relevent links |
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| 04:52.52 | asaqwert | irssi-text |
| 04:53.01 | gravity | Yes |
| 04:53.03 | asaqwert | kpeace |
| 04:53.04 | asaqwert | thanks |
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| 04:53.06 | chealer | asaqwert: there are many...check wikipedia maybe. irssi-text is a console one |
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| 04:53.09 | gravity | asaqwert: If you can't handle that, then try xchat |
| 04:53.45 | XTR | So, stupid question. What do I use to login to X remotely? (Debian Gnome GDM) |
| 04:53.51 | jetscreamer | irssi rocks in an xterm also.. xchat is good too |
| 04:53.54 | chealer | hey we made it...#debian still has bandwidth for the rest of the day I think :) |
| 04:54.02 | XTR | I'm guessing WIndows Remote desktop can't do it. |
| 04:54.07 | jetscreamer | xdmc look in the gdm.conf |
| 04:54.08 | holycow | XTR, at gdm check the settings deal |
| 04:54.17 | holycow | in the admin gui you can turn on xdm |
| 04:54.19 | holycow | BUT |
| 04:54.22 | chealer | XTR: no it doesn't |
| 04:54.24 | jetscreamer | from windows? no idea |
| 04:54.27 | holycow | be aware that it's totally insecure |
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| 04:54.37 | XTR | holycow Oh sorry, I meant, how would I do it from a Windows box? |
| 04:54.42 | nullvoid | Etch (Etch-a-Sketch) was the blackboard, |
| 04:54.58 | zinx | XTR: try vnc |
| 04:55.08 | nullvoid | but why is that etch is after sarge and before sid? |
| 04:55.10 | holycow | not into x, no, unless you got x running on win via some option |
| 04:55.15 | zinx | XTR: though, you won't get your -current- screen |
| 04:55.25 | holycow | what zinx said, that may be the best option |
| 04:55.26 | chealer | nullvoid: sid is an alias for unstable...ALWAYS |
| 04:55.30 | gravity | nullvoid: Because sid is the codename for unstable, but we never release from unstable |
| 04:55.34 | chealer | other codenames move |
| 04:55.47 | zinx | XTR: there may be some RDP stuff, but i've never used it :/ |
| 04:55.50 | chealer | yeah gravity explains better |
| 04:55.53 | gravity | nullvoid: We only release from testing, so the testing name has to change, but because we never release from unstable it can keep the same codename |
| 04:55.54 | XTR | Ah.vnc . Will vnc work with the gdm? Or do I have to install vnc in linux? |
| 04:56.00 | nullvoid | nah.... |
| 04:56.09 | gravity | nullvoid: Make sense? |
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| 04:56.13 | nullvoid | I am looking at 2.1.9 The source for codenames - http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html |
| 04:56.30 | zinx | XTR: it won't work with gdm |
| 04:56.38 | XTR | Oh. |
| 04:56.39 | zinx | XTR: it's an X server itself |
| 04:56.44 | chealer | nullvoid: if you care to know a bit about how package pools work and how packages move from one to the other |
| 04:56.59 | XTR | So, basically get teh vnc package and install? |
| 04:57.09 | nullvoid | ?? |
| 04:57.20 | zinx | XTR: yeah |
| 04:57.22 | kaplanfx | nullvoid: unstable is always sid |
| 04:57.24 | chealer | nullvoid: then you'll understand what gravity said |
| 04:57.29 | gravity | nullvoid: What do you not understand about my explanation? |
| 04:57.34 | zinx | XTR: you need the server on Linux, and the client in Windows |
| 04:57.43 | XTR | Sweet. |
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| 04:58.05 | nullvoid | nevermind :) I will solve this myself (like I always do) heh |
| 04:58.19 | gravity | nullvoid: Feel free to ask me for clarification |
| 04:58.24 | kaplanfx | nullvoid: new versions start at testing, then become stable, but unstable is sid is unstable is sid, always |
| 04:58.51 | XTR | Is vnc available as an apt package? |
| 04:58.52 | gravity | nullvoid: It makes sense in light of Debian's development and release model |
| 04:58.57 | zinx | XTR: yes, several |
| 04:59.01 | gravity | XTR: Yeah. apt-cache search vnc |
| 04:59.06 | gravity | Pick your poison. |
| 04:59.21 | kaplanfx | XTR: if you use ssh and have an xserver at the other end, you can just export the display var to the local display and run an x app |
| 04:59.35 | bnoji | I think I'm going to design this network around open source. |
| 04:59.46 | nullvoid | so sid will be for ever unstable ? |
| 05:00.01 | gravity | nullvoid: With our current development model, yes |
| 05:00.05 | buu | bnoji: Naw, go microsoft |
| 05:00.07 | nullvoid | oic |
| 05:00.21 | staniel | nullvoid: do you not know the character from Toy Story? |
| 05:00.27 | bnoji | buu: We were thinking about Windows Server...but I hate CALs |
| 05:00.35 | nullvoid | I am looking at 2.1.9 The source for codenames - http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html |
| 05:00.46 | nullvoid | stanel: check that out |
| 05:00.47 | bnoji | And checkpoint firewalls, but now we're using ipcop |
| 05:01.12 | nullvoid | well ipcop will use shorewall soon |
| 05:01.57 | XTR | Eh. |
| 05:02.24 | kaplanfx | Package entries for the unstable distribution, always codenamed "Sid" |
| 05:02.31 | kaplanfx | there is your answer |
| 05:02.36 | XTR | kaplanfx And that works from Windows? |
| 05:02.51 | kaplanfx | XTR: you need an xserver, but there are win32 versions |
| 05:03.17 | bnoji | Does shorewall do VPN? |
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| 05:03.32 | XTR | Oh, I'm a lil confused, when you say Xserver you mean it's for the client side. |
| 05:03.51 | bnoji | Why would ipcop use shorewall? |
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| 05:04.56 | kaplanfx | XTR: yes, X client server terminollogy is a little weird |
| 05:05.02 | kaplanfx | the applications are clients |
| 05:05.04 | gravity | Holy crap... I think I just figured out how to use aptitude to replace apt-cache search |
| 05:05.08 | kaplanfx | the X apps that is |
| 05:05.09 | gravity | Finally! |
| 05:05.17 | nullvoid | bnoji: ipcop 1.6 Release |
| 05:05.46 | kaplanfx | so you run the clients from a remote machine, but you need a server on the local machine to interpret the info from those clients |
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| 05:06.44 | robink | Anyone here know how to copy DVDs in Linux? |
| 05:06.53 | deadcat | robink: dd dont work? |
| 05:06.55 | deadcat | hehe |
| 05:07.02 | robink | deadcat: I get an "Input/Output error" |
| 05:07.10 | deadcat | robink: ah |
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| 05:08.06 | kaplanfx | robink: at which stage, ripping? |
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| 05:08.17 | kaplanfx | robink: what app are you using? |
| 05:08.19 | robink | kaplanfx: I don't follow |
| 05:08.26 | robink | kaplanfx: I had been trying to use cat or dd to create an image. |
| 05:08.36 | kaplanfx | hmm |
| 05:08.38 | robink | kaplanfx: I wish to make raw copies, I don't want to transcode or anything like that. |
| 05:08.41 | kaplanfx | dd should work |
| 05:08.42 | bnoji | Whats a good place for cheap rack servers? |
| 05:08.50 | robink | kaplanfx: It gives me the same error as cat |
| 05:08.52 | bnoji | Dell has some for $549 |
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| 05:09.05 | robink | kaplanfx: For about 1/4 of the DVDs I've tried I can copy with cat/dd no problem, but for many I get an "Input/output error" |
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| 05:09.26 | kaplanfx | robink: hmm, well dd is bit for bit, so copy protection shouldn't be an issue |
| 05:09.41 | kaplanfx | do you have libdecss installed? |
| 05:09.45 | robink | kaplanfx: I think the problem is not with the software, but with my approach |
| 05:09.49 | robink | kaplanfx: It shouldn't matter |
| 05:09.51 | robink | kaplanfx: but yes |
| 05:09.52 | kaplanfx | right |
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| 05:09.55 | kaplanfx | thats what I was thinking |
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| 05:10.55 | c00l | fui |
| 05:11.18 | luulis | robink: you could try dd with conv=noerror |
| 05:11.31 | robink | luulis: Hmm |
| 05:12.20 | robink | luulis: It scrolls a bunch of retries down the screen. I'm not sure if it's actually copying. |
| 05:12.37 | fpmc | hi, after reinstalling debian, certain openGL fails to compile. I checked and it's due to linker error with pthread_key_create. I can fix the problem with '-lpthread', but is this a known issue? |
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| 05:13.15 | robink | I also have a problem with Evolution |
| 05:13.28 | robink | I have created a number of filters, but Evolution won't apply them when checking mail |
| 05:13.36 | bob2 | fpmc: er, if you're using pthreads, you need to link in libpthreads |
| 05:13.42 | luulis | robink: I had a somewhat scratched cd that I could copy with dd conv=noerror, it had over 10 000 bad sectors, so it took a LOT of time but it worked |
| 05:13.55 | robink | I checked "Apply filters to new messages in INBOX on this server" for an IMAP account |
| 05:14.02 | robink | luulis: Hmm |
| 05:14.05 | gravity | I haven't touched evolution in like 5 years |
| 05:14.11 | robink | luulis: I'm not sure if the problem is bad sectors or what |
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| 05:14.44 | revenger_ | does anyone know how to set a name of core files to core.<pid>? |
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| 05:14.56 | fpmc | bob2: are you saying I need "-lpthread"? I know that, but it was working before without -lpthread. I'm guessing some headers or settings were linking pthread automatically before? |
| 05:15.00 | revenger_ | the name actually* |
| 05:15.14 | fpmc | bob2: it's after the re-install that this problem occurs.... |
| 05:16.10 | bob2 | fpmc: no, it's not a setting or header issue |
| 05:16.24 | fpmc | bob2: what do you think the issue it then? |
| 05:16.44 | bob2 | fpmc: it was always correct for you to explicitly link against pthread |
| 05:16.44 | fpmc | bob2: I just want to be sure I don't have any problems with my current configurations :) |
| 05:16.49 | bob2 | so you have to continue doing that |
| 05:17.05 | bob2 | at a guess your underlying libraries were built with a newer libtool |
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| 05:17.12 | fpmc | bob2: my point is that, before I reinstall, my Makefile did not include a '-lpthread' |
| 05:17.22 | bob2 | new libtool only links in the top layer of dependencies, not all of them |
| 05:17.42 | bob2 | which is fine, except your program needs libpthread, but didn't link it in. it accidentally used to work |
| 05:17.48 | bob2 | but now doesn't |
| 05:18.07 | bob2 | fpmc: yes, your Makefile was broken before, but happened to work |
| 05:18.09 | fpmc | bob2: ok, I buy that then :) |
| 05:18.40 | robink | I've googled around and reached nothing conclusive about dupping DVDs in Linux |
| 05:18.53 | bob2 | this isn't a warez channel |
| 05:19.00 | fpmc | bob2: Seems like several OS projects have this problem. I found some bug-report/fix page that basically report same problem and the fix was to patch Makefile and add a '-lpthread' :) |
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| 05:19.08 | bob2 | if you want to extract your own dvds, use dvd::rip |
| 05:19.12 | jetscreamer | dvdrip |
| 05:19.17 | jetscreamer | :: |
| 05:19.20 | bob2 | fpmc: yeah, it will have hit lots of things |
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| 05:22.05 | cafuego | uh-huh |
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| 05:22.47 | robink | bob2: That will do raw rips? |
| 05:22.55 | bob2 | "raw rips"? |
| 05:22.59 | bob2 | what are you trying to do? |
| 05:23.00 | robink | bit-for-bit copies |
| 05:23.06 | robink | I want to rip a DVD and burn it on a DVD-R |
| 05:23.08 | robink | I do not want to transcode |
| 05:23.13 | bob2 | lord |
| 05:23.15 | bob2 | so use dd |
| 05:23.19 | bob2 | also, #warez-kiddies |
| 05:23.23 | robink | I get an "Input/output error" when doing so |
| 05:23.26 | cafuego | how badly do you think xvncviewer localhost is going to recurse? |
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| 05:23.45 | robink | I'm actually dupping documentaries |
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| 05:23.48 | cafuego | ooh, very badly!@ |
| 05:23.49 | robink | for activism purposes |
| 05:23.56 | robink | not that it makes it any more legal |
| 05:23.57 | jm_ | I think VNC server has some sort of protection against it and it asks you if you want to do it |
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| 05:24.27 | cafuego | jm_: it only asks if i want to allow a connect to the active desktop, then it went and spawned like mad. |
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| 05:24.57 | BooYah | anyone know where i can get debian apache2 w/ dso support? |
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| 05:25.06 | jm_ | cafuego: hmm I remember trying that XDMCP hack for ultravnc and it warned me |
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| 05:25.16 | cafuego | jm_: gets a bit slow afetr 5 though |
| 05:25.25 | bob2 | BooYah: it has dso support |
| 05:25.37 | jm_ | cafuego: hehe |
| 05:26.15 | BooYah | yea, but as far as i know u have to configure it in with dso support, and i cant find a deb pkg with that enabled. |
| 05:26.17 | _joey | is xorg available in sid? |
| 05:26.24 | _joey | prebuilt package |
| 05:26.30 | cafuego | !topicbadger _joey |
| 05:26.31 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that _joey didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 05:26.45 | bob2 | BooYah: it has dso support |
| 05:26.59 | bob2 | BooYah: why don't you explain what you're trying to do? |
| 05:27.08 | BooYah | bob2: a prepackaged debian binary |
| 05:27.11 | BooYah | with dso support |
| 05:27.15 | BooYah | configured into it |
| 05:27.16 | bob2 | lord |
| 05:27.19 | bob2 | 15:26:59 bob2 | BooYah: why don't you explain what you're trying to do? |
| 05:27.29 | _joey | cafuego take a hike man |
| 05:27.47 | _joey | !topicbadfer cafuego |
| 05:27.53 | _joey | !topicbadger cafuego |
| 05:27.54 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that cafuego didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 05:27.58 | sean_micken | hey |
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| 05:28.08 | sean_micken | i can't seem to get my mouse smooth (it's a touchpad) in GNOME. |
| 05:28.12 | bob2 | _joey: stop it |
| 05:28.13 | cafuego | _joey: Not my fault you're unable to read and ask the same question over and over and over. |
| 05:28.17 | sean_micken | it's always too jumpy or too fast. |
| 05:28.26 | _joey | I didn't ask over and over |
| 05:28.49 | _joey | and don't answer if you don't want to |
| 05:28.49 | cafuego | _joey: Uninformed malcontents in general, not you in particular. |
| 05:29.03 | _joey | go away troll |
| 05:29.05 | cafuego | _joey: I gave you the standard answer to that question. |
| 05:29.25 | _joey | the standard answer you'd get from irc lamer |
| 05:29.32 | bob2 | _joey: enough |
| 05:29.35 | bob2 | cafuego: chill |
| 05:29.35 | cafuego | bye |
| 05:29.42 | cafuego | bob2: I'm relaxed |
| 05:30.06 | _joey | bob2 I didn't start it |
| 05:30.24 | bob2 | _joey: a) you should have read the topic, b) you continued a stupid discussion |
| 05:30.29 | bob2 | now drop it |
| 05:30.41 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 05:30.44 | bob2 | everyone go download some free chillout music from http://kahvi.org/ |
| 05:30.52 | _joey | bob2 go away man |
| 05:30.56 | _joey | I ask a question\ |
| 05:31.01 | gravity | Woohoo! Free chillout music! |
| 05:31.04 | deadcat | oh girrrrl |
| 05:31.05 | cafuego | bob2: he's just a troll |
| 05:31.06 | _joey | and don't want to be coached by wankers |
| 05:31.06 | bob2 | _joey: blah blah blah, stop it |
| 05:31.08 | jetscreamer | -_- |
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| 05:31.10 | Hentai | Hello |
| 05:31.15 | bob2 | _joey: are you done? |
| 05:31.16 | _joey | why would I want to stop ? |
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| 05:31.25 | cafuego | _joey: have you in the mean time typed the command the topic suggested? |
| 05:31.27 | Hentai | if I installed by floppy why don't I have the kernel installed? |
| 05:31.37 | cafuego | bob2: chill |
| 05:31.38 | Roey | Hentai: awesome nick |
| 05:31.38 | Hentai | I used a CD to get the media from |
| 05:31.51 | Roey | Hentai: we just need now bukkake and yuri |
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| 05:31.55 | jetscreamer | lame nick |
| 05:32.04 | gravity | indeed |
| 05:32.05 | Hentai | yeah w\e Roey |
| 05:32.22 | gravity | bob2: Any good songs you recommend? |
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| 05:32.36 | gravity | There's like a zillion things on here |
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| 05:33.35 | gravity | beowu1f: That depends on how they're loaded in the first place |
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| 05:33.54 | Hentai | anyone know? |
| 05:33.58 | beowu1f | gravity: well some from hotplug.. |
| 05:34.16 | gravity | beowu1f: With hotplug you can blacklist them. google hotplug blacklist to find out how |
| 05:34.25 | cafuego | beowu1f: For hotplug you'd need to add them to the blacklist file. |
| 05:34.46 | sep | Hentai: what do you mean by not having a kernel installed ? |
| 05:34.56 | beowu1f | gravity: those are the ones i know how to remove.. but the others that arent handled by hotplug |
| 05:35.23 | sep | beowu1f: the ones handles by discover you can add a line saying 'skip modulename' ni discovers conf file |
| 05:35.36 | deadcat | in screen, what encryption does the password option uses? it just say crypted_pw |
| 05:35.54 | Hentai | sep: I don't have a /boot |
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| 05:36.28 | sep | Hentai: what did you install, and how do you boot now ?= |
| 05:36.47 | Hentai | sep I just installed regularly |
| 05:36.58 | Hentai | I haven't booted yet sep |
| 05:38.33 | sep | Hentai: and what did you install ? |
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| 05:39.02 | Hentai | debian sep |
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| 05:39.05 | beowu1f | thanks guys... i'll give it a try now |
| 05:39.09 | Hentai | old 2.2.20 kernel one |
| 05:39.15 | Hentai | stable woody sep |
| 05:39.16 | beowu1f | will give feedback on what happens |
| 05:39.17 | sep | potatoe /woody / sarge / sid |
| 05:39.22 | beowu1f | cheers for now... |
| 05:39.54 | sep | Hentai: you sure your not just having a /boot partition and it's not mounted ? |
| 05:40.05 | Hentai | hmm |
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| 05:40.22 | ccw | solaris sucks like hell! |
| 05:40.30 | Hentai | sep how do I find out? |
| 05:40.30 | bob2 | film at 11. |
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| 05:40.37 | BooYah | for sarge, what's the c/c++ compiler pkg |
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| 05:40.41 | holycow | bob2, hahaha |
| 05:40.41 | sep | Hentai: any reason you want kernel 2.2.* ? i'd recomend 2.4 if it's the same to you :) |
| 05:40.41 | BooYah | so i can compile source |
| 05:40.44 | holycow | great line |
| 05:40.47 | ccw | I hate it and I did not even get started. |
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| 05:41.03 | Hentai | can't right now sep |
| 05:41.14 | Hentai | it has to do with mac ppc |
| 05:41.15 | deadcat | man. cant believe screenrc can be that fun to mess with heheh. |
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| 05:41.23 | Hentai | right now I'm just using this one sep |
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| 05:41.35 | Hentai | err I mean ppc linux sep |
| 05:42.00 | cafuego | Hentai: if you're on a PPC Mac you'll want to get off 2.2 and onto 2.4 or 2.6 asap. |
| 05:42.07 | bob2 | gravity: haven't listened to enough of it, only re-remembedred it yesterday |
| 05:42.19 | bob2 | gravity: ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/music/groups/kahvicollective/kahvi017b_4tthieves-mistsoftimeambient.mp3 seems nice, tho |
| 05:42.22 | gravity | bob2: It's huuuuge |
| 05:42.23 | cafuego | BooYah: You want 'build-essential' |
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| 05:42.42 | Hentai | cafuego can I get a 2.4 cd with it and use that as media cafuego? |
| 05:42.50 | bob2 | a bit too programmed-drum-machine for my taste |
| 05:42.58 | gravity | hrm, that sucks |
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| 05:43.02 | cafuego | Hentai: Do you have net access at the moment? |
| 05:43.09 | Hentai | just here |
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| 05:43.21 | cafuego | Hentai: And a burner? |
| 05:43.32 | Hentai | yes cafuego |
| 05:43.42 | cafuego | Hentai: Okay. Do you have net access where the mac is? |
| 05:43.52 | Hentai | not on the mac cafuego |
| 05:44.09 | iro- | hey everyone... i'd like to know whether i should go for sarge (testing) for a private mail/fto/webserver, considering i need a few packages with a version higher than what woody provides |
| 05:44.11 | cafuego | Hentai: Hmm. What kind of mac is it? |
| 05:44.22 | Hentai | Umax c600 mac clone cafuego |
| 05:44.24 | bob2 | iro-: yes |
| 05:44.37 | iro- | are the security risks low enough? |
| 05:44.40 | vsb | hi all, i have few .dat files...which software shall i use to open them in debian? |
| 05:44.47 | deadcat | iro-: no you can try apt-get.org or backports.org |
| 05:45.00 | iro- | hmmm... interesting |
| 05:45.05 | iro- | one says yes, one says no |
| 05:45.05 | bob2 | iro-: no security updates yet, tho |
| 05:45.07 | deadcat | vsb: file *.dat |
| 05:45.12 | bob2 | iro-: depends if it's on the internet or not |
| 05:45.16 | bob2 | vsb: what are they? |
| 05:45.16 | vsb | ok |
| 05:45.21 | cafuego | Hentai: Hmm. Did that boot off the cd automagically? |
| 05:45.26 | iro- | i thought the security team was working on testing too... |
| 05:45.27 | vsb | video songs |
| 05:45.31 | iro- | and yes, it will be on the internet |
| 05:45.32 | Hentai | no it won't cafuego |
| 05:45.34 | deadcat | iro-: no only stable |
| 05:45.34 | iro- | small private server |
| 05:45.39 | vsb | which i coppied in windows |
| 05:45.44 | Hentai | only from the boot floppys cafuego |
| 05:45.52 | bob2 | iro-: then I'd go with woody + backports.org (not random crap from apt-get.org) or ubuntu |
| 05:45.56 | deadcat | vsb: try mplayer or one of those media player |
| 05:46.01 | iro- | deadcat, what disavantages would testing bring? |
| 05:46.02 | chealer | iro-: you can get an idea on http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 05:46.14 | deadcat | iro-: no security updates (= |
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| 05:46.24 | deadcat | bob2: backports.org is better than apt-get.org? |
| 05:46.33 | cafuego | Hentai: Ah, ok. so OldWorld. This might pose an issue; I don't know how the floppies work with the current sarge system. |
| 05:46.43 | vsb | deadcat: file avseq01.dat |
| 05:46.44 | cafuego | Hentai: See if they know on #debianppc |
| 05:46.49 | vsb | avseq01.dat: RIFF (little-endian) data, wrapped MPEG-1 (CDXA) |
| 05:46.53 | Hentai | have been cafuego |
| 05:47.02 | deadcat | vsb: thats a vcd file. try mplayer or xine should do the trick |
| 05:47.07 | iro- | chealer, it looks like the security issues posted on there don't affect me. from what i see, i'm not using any of these programs |
| 05:47.15 | bob2 | deadcat: apt-get.org is an index of random apt sites |
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| 05:47.25 | bob2 | deadcat: backports.org is a set of backports maintained by DD's |
| 05:47.27 | deadcat | vsb: i am gonna say 95% thats a porn file |
| 05:47.30 | chealer | iro-: you must be using a kernel :) |
| 05:47.51 | iro- | chealer, i patched my own kernel 2.6.11.5 with grsec |
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| 05:47.58 | iro- | and made a deb out of it |
| 05:48.04 | deadcat | bob2: ah... i used to get shits from apt-get.org cus i kept going to backport.org without the s and nothing there. |
| 05:48.13 | vsb | deadcat: its a linkin parks song ;) |
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| 05:48.21 | deadcat | vsb: RIGHT! (= |
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| 05:48.26 | trig_hm | ok I can;t figure this one out |
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| 05:48.58 | trig_hm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.02 | trig_hm | it's like packets can't route between the interfaces |
| 05:49.06 | trig_hm | more descriptive: |
| 05:49.11 | chealer | iro-: if you're geek enough, you can get around all those issues :) |
| 05:49.14 | trig_hm | jb is a winxp box at home, hosehead is at work, home is my sarge box and we have the pix at work |
| 05:49.17 | trig_hm | home can get to hosehead |
| 05:49.17 | iro- | so if i use woody, should i have backports as primary source, or only when i need certain packages? |
| 05:49.18 | trig_hm | pix can get to jb |
| 05:49.21 | trig_hm | jb cannot get to hosehead |
| 05:49.23 | trig_hm | and it should be able |
| 05:49.29 | trig_hm | if I ping jb from hosehead, I see the packets coming in eth0 on home, but they never make it to eth1 where jb is at |
| 05:49.33 | bob2 | trig_hm: did you read the ipsec howto? |
| 05:49.38 | trig_hm | yep |
| 05:49.49 | trig_hm | that's where I have been since the last time we talked |
| 05:49.53 | iro- | so would going to sarge for private server be highly not recommended? |
| 05:49.55 | bob2 | trig_hm: and you setup the routing and tagging and as they said? |
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| 05:50.00 | trig_hm | yep |
| 05:50.03 | bob2 | iro-: how paranoid are you? |
| 05:50.29 | bob2 | iro-: if your only internet-accessible services are apache, postfix and ssh, then you should be fine as long as you hear about vulnerabilities |
| 05:50.32 | zignig | bob2: who needs paranoia when you have backups. |
| 05:50.39 | trig_hm | iro-: I run sarge boxes for servers in production for customers, no X or anything and we have no problems |
| 05:50.42 | iro- | not that much? but i will put an integrity checker for important folders, and will be using apache, proftpd with anonymous only, ssh, exim and courier-imap really |
| 05:50.44 | bob2 | haha |
| 05:51.09 | trig_hm | iro-: our company hosts some major radio personalities on sarge boxes and it is our default install now |
| 05:51.13 | iro- | bob2, so where should i go to get updates on security issues? |
| 05:51.18 | cafuego | iro-: Provided you use vsftpd (kernel.org uses it) you should be fine. |
| 05:51.33 | iro- | vsftpd? |
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| 05:51.34 | bob2 | iro-: you'd have to get it yourself from sid |
| 05:51.36 | trig_hm | but there are 2 of us admins that just manage the linux servers on our netwrok |
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| 05:51.38 | iro- | what's wrong with proftpd? |
| 05:51.51 | cafuego | iro-: You subscribe to the CERT mailing list, bugtraq and the debian-security-announce list. |
| 05:52.03 | cafuego | iro-: Nothing, i use it, it's just that vsftpd is apparently much better. |
| 05:52.31 | trig_hm | we are evaluating switching to vsftpd now |
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| 05:52.34 | trig_hm | from proftpd |
| 05:52.38 | cafuego | iro-: I tend to believe people who run it on a box that moved 100Mb/sec all day every day ;-) |
| 05:52.47 | iro- | i don't wanna spend much time on that server after installing it, since it's for my family use |
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| 05:53.04 | vsb | i am getting an error while installing xine using apt-get install |
| 05:53.06 | iro- | so should i use woody and backport or what? |
| 05:53.10 | trig_hm | iro-: then don't install sarge, we check for updates and install them almost daily |
| 05:53.13 | Coke | iro-: both pro and sv would work fine for you |
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| 05:53.31 | Coke | iro-: will it be public? |
| 05:53.44 | bob2 | Coke: yes |
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| 05:53.45 | vsb | Unpacking libxv1 (from .../libxv1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1_i386.deb) ... |
| 05:53.45 | vsb | dpkg: error processing |
| 05:53.45 | vsb | /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
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| 05:53.46 | iro- | would a cron job of apt-get upgrade replace my having to check all the time? :p |
| 05:54.06 | bob2 | iro-: realistically, it's unlikely there will be a remote exploit in any of those things |
| 05:54.17 | iro- | especially exim and courier |
| 05:54.18 | bob2 | iro-: and sarge will get security updates soon engouh |
| 05:54.36 | iro- | i thought it got them secondarily |
| 05:54.42 | bob2 | meh, I'd trust postfix and dovecot more, but you're probably right |
| 05:54.45 | cafuego | iro-: However, running updates via cron is not a good idea. |
| 05:54.47 | iro- | cause security site says it takes care of both at the same time |
| 05:54.53 | bob2 | security updates propogate from sid to sarge |
| 05:54.58 | bob2 | but that could take months |
| 05:54.58 | iro- | because of the menuconfig? |
| 05:55.04 | bob2 | in practice it should only take weeks |
| 05:55.14 | cafuego | iro-: That shouldn't normally be an issue on security-only updates, but yes. |
| 05:55.16 | bob2 | iro-: what if an upgrade breaks ssh? |
| 05:55.18 | trig_hm | iro-: all our servers run a cronjob that let's us know about updates everyday, then we install ourselves |
| 05:55.20 | iro- | so unstable gets teh fixes before testing? |
| 05:55.24 | Coke | bob2: actualy, I think they should apply security fixes immediately on sarge. |
| 05:55.25 | bob2 | iro-: yes |
| 05:55.35 | cafuego | iro-: You could run apt-get -d upgrade' daily |
| 05:55.41 | iro- | bob2, my server is a few feet from my chair right now :p |
| 05:55.41 | bob2 | Coke: yes, that would be great, are you volunteering ;) |
| 05:55.47 | bob2 | iro-: hah, ok |
| 05:55.50 | cafuego | iro-: Will it stay there? |
| 05:55.53 | iro- | yes |
| 05:55.58 | bob2 | iro-: then it's probably not a terrible plan |
| 05:55.59 | iro- | it will always be in my house |
| 05:56.04 | iro- | just a family used server |
| 05:56.06 | cafuego | iro-: Then you don't need ssh, which makes it more secure again ;-) |
| 05:56.13 | trig_hm | iro-: do you do backups? |
| 05:56.15 | iro- | well, i still use it internally |
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| 05:56.21 | cafuego | iro-: is it sitting behind a NAT firewall like dsl or cable? |
| 05:56.22 | Coke | bob2: isn't that really up to the package maintainers? I think they would want to backport to the sarge versions (if they differ), but it is a policity that prevents them? |
| 05:56.23 | iro- | but all administration tools will be closed |
| 05:56.38 | iro- | it will be on its own IP and in my DMZ internal network |
| 05:56.45 | iro- | administrative tools will be closed to public IP |
| 05:56.59 | cafuego | iro-: DMZ? You have a whole IP range? |
| 05:57.04 | iro- | internally |
| 05:57.16 | cafuego | iro-: If it's internal then externals can't access it either way. |
| 05:57.21 | iro- | nope |
| 05:57.24 | cafuego | So the whole point is moot. |
| 05:57.28 | iro- | except if they break WEP keys |
| 05:57.33 | bob2 | Coke: no, most maintainers upload fixes to sid very quickly, which go to sarge soon enough |
| 05:57.48 | iro- | so which is better between unstable and testing? |
| 05:57.53 | cafuego | iro-: No. "When" they break wep keys, not "if". |
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| 05:58.01 | deadcat | iro-: aint no body gonna break your key. you arent special in anyway (= |
| 05:58.01 | bob2 | Coke: by "security support" I mean "thesecurity team works on fixes before the problems are publically disclosed, so machines are only vulnerable for the time it takes apt to run" |
| 05:58.06 | bob2 | Coke: which sarge hasn't got |
| 05:58.08 | Coke | bob2: yeah, but that's just waiting for the sid version to become accepted in sarge. sometimes sarge users wind up in security limbo. :) |
| 05:58.16 | trig_hm | I probably have ~100 sarge boxes and ~200 woody boxes right now and don't have any problems with updates. |
| 05:58.29 | bob2 | Coke: yeah, 'xactly |
| 05:58.36 | bob2 | like perl in sarge was vulnerable for months |
| 05:58.45 | deadcat | trig_hm: you have local repo mirrors? |
| 05:58.46 | bob2 | because it depended on the new, RC-buggy libc |
| 05:58.49 | cafuego | trig_hm: That doesn't mean that will remian true at any point in the future. |
| 05:58.52 | trig_hm | deadcat: yeah |
| 05:58.56 | deadcat | cool |
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| 05:59.14 | Coke | bob2: yes, that is why I still run woody on servers. |
| 05:59.22 | deadcat | trig_hm: rsync? can you paste me the script in #flood? |
| 05:59.32 | iro- | ok so bottom line... whare are the recommendations? woody and backports.org (and hopefully versions are high enough), or sarge, or sid? |
| 05:59.40 | trig_hm | deadcat: it was easier that way. we have a bunch of custom debs that we use on our servers and we wanted them included in updates. |
| 05:59.48 | trig_hm | deadcat: hang on |
| 05:59.54 | deadcat | trig_hm: cool thans |
| 05:59.55 | trig_hm | deadcat: lemme get logged into it |
| 06:00.02 | cafuego | shite |
| 06:00.09 | cafuego | how do i dpkg-undivert ? |
| 06:00.28 | deadcat | iro-: i use sid for my desktop/server.. you get MORE updates hehehe |
| 06:00.41 | iro- | hmmm |
| 06:00.44 | bob2 | cafuego: dpkg-divert --remove ... |
| 06:00.48 | iro- | sid is unstable right? |
| 06:00.53 | deadcat | iro-: ya |
| 06:01.05 | iro- | i wonder why they would secure unstable before testing |
| 06:01.08 | bob2 | I wouldn't run sid on a server |
| 06:01.14 | bob2 | iro-: "they" don't, in particular |
| 06:01.28 | iro- | so what's the advantage over testing? |
| 06:01.31 | deadcat | iro-: they dont. they just release the next version to sid |
| 06:01.31 | bob2 | iro-: packages just always get uploaded to unstable, then filter to testing after testing |
| 06:01.35 | cafuego | Where do diversions live? |
| 06:01.52 | iro- | bob2, that means you're not sure if what you're updating is really buggy or not |
| 06:01.56 | Coke | cafuego: on the playground? |
| 06:02.04 | cafuego | Coke: pfffrrrrttt |
| 06:02.15 | bob2 | iro-: in sid? yes. |
| 06:02.26 | Coke | cafuego: I'm not sure whether that was a drum whirl or a fart :) |
| 06:02.29 | bob2 | iro-: I'd be scared to run a server on unstable, upgrade might break things horribly |
| 06:02.41 | cafuego | Coke: flapping tongue |
| 06:02.49 | iro- | bob2, that's why i don't wanna do sid |
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| 06:03.00 | iro- | but i'm hesitating between woddy and backports, or sarge... |
| 06:03.25 | Coke | iro-: if this is on the Internet and you are not into making security fixes manually you should go with woody |
| 06:03.27 | cafuego | Alright, rm -f solved my issue. |
| 06:03.39 | zignig | iro-: for and internal server use sarge , much better selection. |
| 06:03.46 | zignig | iro-: of packages. |
| 06:03.56 | zignig | cafuego: as always :) |
| 06:03.58 | deadcat | iro-: just go with woody. dont have to worry about shit |
| 06:03.58 | iro- | it will be on the internet |
| 06:04.04 | iro- | well |
| 06:04.09 | iro- | then i'll need to use backports |
| 06:04.19 | iro- | because woody's spamassassin sucks |
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| 06:04.26 | deadcat | iro-: you know what. use another distro |
| 06:04.36 | iro- | debian is great tho |
| 06:04.36 | Coke | iro-: woody is four aeons old |
| 06:04.45 | iro- | lol |
| 06:04.46 | cafuego | iro-: You're not putting a server on the internet. use sarge. |
| 06:04.48 | iro- | i know that |
| 06:04.53 | iro- | but it's tightly secure |
| 06:05.17 | iro- | cafuego, the server will have some services open to the public |
| 06:05.18 | Coke | There ha been mouthing about stabilizing Sarge, but up to date those are only the dreams and hopes of the lost souls |
| 06:05.22 | iro- | ie: apache, ftp, mail |
| 06:05.24 | cafuego | iro-: yeah, so? |
| 06:05.35 | BooYah | This is retarded, I switched from slack to debian hoping for an awesome pkg management system, yet I keep finding myself forced to compile from source to enable non-default capabilities and there's no great pkg management system to keep track of installations from source incase i want to remove it at a later date and dont want to spend an hour tracking down all of the files |
| 06:05.37 | cafuego | iro-: They can all run chrooted. |
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| 06:06.02 | Coke | BooYah: moron |
| 06:06.04 | deufo | can someone help me with sound? |
| 06:06.09 | BooYah | how so? |
| 06:06.09 | deadcat | aint nobody gonnay mess with your box dude |
| 06:06.10 | iro- | BooYah, you can package the compiled sources |
| 06:06.12 | gravity | BooYah: If you really need to compile things from source a lot, check out gentoo, but I'm amazed that you have to do this |
| 06:06.12 | dondelelcaro | deufo: just ask your question... |
| 06:06.14 | iro- | or use backports |
| 06:06.15 | Coke | BooYah: dpkg --get-selections |
| 06:06.20 | deufo | i just installed sarge on my laptop, and no sound coming out |
| 06:06.24 | cafuego | BooYah: You got it all a bit wrong, then. What's the custom stuff you need that debian doesn't have? |
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| 06:06.41 | deadcat | deufo: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 06:06.42 | wwallace | j |
| 06:06.52 | iro- | ok so i see some people telling me to use woody, and some to use sarge |
| 06:06.55 | wwallace | \how the fuck r u people? |
| 06:06.56 | trig_hm | deadcat: hang on a minute, my vpn just took a dump |
| 06:06.56 | iro- | so i'm still lost guys |
| 06:07.00 | cafuego | iro-: sarge |
| 06:07.01 | bob2 | BooYah: you haven't actually given anyone an example of something you hae to compile |
| 06:07.09 | deadcat | tintin: ok |
| 06:07.11 | deadcat | trig_hm: ok |
| 06:07.15 | bob2 | BooYah: why are you compiling apache, for instance? |
| 06:07.16 | cafuego | bob2: he was probably missing mysql support in php4./ |
| 06:07.16 | Coke | BooYah: if you installed from source, made it into a package (which is the best way) it will keep track of it (and all other packages) using dpkg. |
| 06:07.17 | wwallace | still stealing the voice of the poor souls that come here begging for help? |
| 06:07.28 | deufo | deadcat: i get nothing |
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| 06:07.30 | cafuego | bob2: And php4 support in apache, for that matter. |
| 06:07.33 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:07.54 | iro- | ok one person tells me to use sarge |
| 06:07.58 | iro- | what about you guys? |
| 06:07.58 | Coke | BooYah: and Debian is, by far, the best maintained distribution I've tried. Including Slackware, Mandrake, Red Hat, SuSE, Lunar, Gentoo and Fedora. |
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| 06:08.01 | deadcat | deufo: what card is it? |
| 06:08.10 | deufo | ac97 |
| 06:08.19 | deadcat | iro-: dammit. just flip a goddamn coin |
| 06:08.29 | Coke | BooYah: please tell us your problem and I know we can help, but no wining! |
| 06:08.41 | sep | iro-: i'd use sarge before i'd use woody+backports |
| 06:08.48 | deadcat | deufo: lsmod|grep snd, see if you get anything |
| 06:09.05 | deufo | nope |
| 06:09.27 | cafuego | i-r-o: You're going to end up checking for updates to backports more often then updates to sarge packages, so go with sarge. |
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| 06:10.15 | deadcat | deufo: hmm. no clue. maybe someone here have the same card cus i dont (= |
| 06:10.36 | Coke | deufo: what card did you have? |
| 06:10.40 | deufo | icic, btw how come i can't change my screen res to more than 800*600 |
| 06:10.44 | deufo | AC97 |
| 06:10.45 | BooYah | If you look on debian.org and sort through all of the apache packages you see the different packages that have been done with mysql capability etc etc etc, I did not find one with dso capability already configured, so I downloaded the source, ./configure -enable-so -prefix=whereIwantit |
| 06:10.51 | BooYah | then make |
| 06:10.51 | i-r-o | ok then i'll try sarge |
| 06:11.01 | bob2 | BooYah: again, you haven't explained your problem |
| 06:11.03 | Coke | deufo: no, we need the chipset. |
| 06:11.05 | i-r-o | since i'm still testing that server (not yet current one thank god) |
| 06:11.07 | BooYah | now, before i do make install, someone point me to a document on how to turn this into a debian package |
| 06:11.10 | deufo | wait |
| 06:11.10 | i-r-o | i can always try it for a while |
| 06:11.18 | bob2 | BooYah: you've been trying for hours, wouldn't it be easier to spend 30s explaining your actual problem? |
| 06:11.19 | Coke | deufo: lspci | grep audio |
| 06:11.20 | BooYah | so it'll be registered per se for removal at a later date |
| 06:11.26 | bob2 | BooYah: *why* do you want DSO support? |
| 06:11.29 | bnoji | Is there a way to integrate logon scripts into LDAP? |
| 06:11.34 | bob2 | BooYah: the Debian apache packages already have it |
| 06:11.35 | BooYah | because i want it. |
| 06:11.41 | bob2 | BooYah: they have it |
| 06:11.42 | BooYah | do they? |
| 06:11.45 | BooYah | point me to one. |
| 06:11.49 | Coke | BooYah: whereIwantit should be in /usr/local |
| 06:11.50 | bob2 | BooYah: I told you this 3 hours ago |
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| 06:11.57 | deufo | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 06:12.12 | Coke | deufo: modprobe snd-i8x0 |
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| 06:12.30 | cafuego | BooYah: ALL debian apache packages have DSO support. See the long list of libapache-mod-FOO |
| 06:12.34 | Coke | deufo: modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 06:12.35 | Coke | sorry |
| 06:12.36 | kaplanfx | Coke: its actuall snd-intel8x0 |
| 06:12.36 | i-r-o | BooYah, dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b |
| 06:12.50 | deufo | can't locate module |
| 06:12.52 | cafuego | BooYah: the same goes for all apache2 stuff, all php4 stuff |
| 06:12.55 | bob2 | 16:12:18 bob2 | Mithrandir: apache2 in Debian has DSO support, right? |
| 06:13.00 | bob2 | 16:12:31 infinity | bob2 : Of course. |
| 06:13.00 | bob2 | 16:12:44 Mithrandir | bob2: uh, yeah, obviously |
| 06:13.03 | bob2 | BooYah: ^ |
| 06:13.04 | i-r-o | but to be able to do that, you need to install the source using apt-get source |
| 06:13.09 | wwallace | what can i do for shockwave in mozilla how do i get that? |
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| 06:13.16 | bob2 | BooYah: that would be the apache2 Debian maintainer, and the php4 Debian maintainer |
| 06:13.22 | bob2 | BooYah: do you trust them, even if you don't believe me? |
| 06:13.24 | cafuego | BooYah: apt-get install apache libapache-mod-whateveryouwant; problem solved. |
| 06:13.31 | sanxiyn | wwallace: http://macromedia.com/ |
| 06:13.52 | wwallace | they say its not avail for firefox or mozilla |
| 06:13.56 | BooYah | well, i want to see documentation out on a website since trusting people online is a bad idea in the first place. |
| 06:14.04 | sanxiyn | wwallace: Huh? |
| 06:14.05 | wwallace | my son needs to play from cartoon network |
| 06:14.15 | BooYah | even sketchy websites dont get my attention. |
| 06:14.15 | cafuego | BooYah: God almighty. Download the packages. LOOK at them. See? |
| 06:14.16 | bob2 | BooYah: why would it be on a website? |
| 06:14.21 | sep | BooYah: why are you using debian at all when you dont trust it's maintainers????? |
| 06:14.23 | sanxiyn | wwallace: Of course it is available. |
| 06:14.29 | Coke | BooYah: Debian is pretty much based on an online effort, so... |
| 06:14.42 | wwallace | the flasplayer yes they do have a plug in 4 that but not the macrowave player |
| 06:14.44 | bob2 | BooYah: why don't you just look in the package and notice that it has mod_so compiled? |
| 06:14.53 | BooYah | cafuego: you could spend years downloading all the different packages, what about a description for each package, I didn't see many of those that were in depth |
| 06:14.57 | dondelelcaro | wwallace: you want flash-plugin-nonfree or some such |
| 06:15.00 | deufo | coke:can't locate the module |
| 06:15.05 | sanxiyn | BooYah: OMG. |
| 06:15.09 | bob2 | BooYah: why didn't you just believe me 3 hours ago then? why would I lie to you? |
| 06:15.11 | cafuego | BooYah: Then you obviously didn't look. |
| 06:15.18 | i-r-o | i wonder what kind of server the official site of debian uses |
| 06:15.18 | Coke | deufo: running your own kernel? |
| 06:15.20 | wwallace | i already have flash i need macrowave for firefox |
| 06:15.22 | Coke | BooYah: apt-cache show <package name> |
| 06:15.22 | dondelelcaro | s/flash-plugin/flashplugin/ |
| 06:15.25 | bob2 | BooYah: you can also check yourself, by noticing that php4 and mod_perl and whatever in Debian are in seperate packages |
| 06:15.26 | deufo | nope, default |
| 06:15.30 | deufo | just installed 5mins ago |
| 06:15.31 | cafuego | !info libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 06:15.36 | sanxiyn | BooYah: packages.debian.org |
| 06:15.37 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-10 (sid), Packaged size: 1576 kB, Installed size: 3160 kB |
| 06:15.37 | dondelelcaro | wwallace: macrowave? Eh? What the hell is macrowave? |
| 06:15.39 | Guerin | !blame bus station ticket sellers |
| 06:15.39 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: wwallace is some sort of semi-retarded troll who I accidentally unbanned |
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| 06:15.52 | Coke | Actualy, there is one piece of information I lack in the apt-cache show view, the upstream location. |
| 06:15.56 | wwallace | nice bob |
| 06:16.01 | michal_ | i was just trying to dist-upgrade a slink box to potato and I hit a problem |
| 06:16.02 | wwallace | who gives a shit |
| 06:16.02 | bob2 | wwallace: you're welcome |
| 06:16.04 | dondelelcaro | Coke: it's often there, actually. |
| 06:16.09 | cafuego | BooYah: 'apt-cache show libapache-mod-php4' at your prompt. |
| 06:16.10 | bob2 | wwallace: can you read the troll howto and come back later? |
| 06:16.12 | sanxiyn | wwallace: Go away, then. |
| 06:16.13 | michal_ | dpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure): |
| 06:16.13 | michal_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:16.23 | Coke | dondelelcaro: no, often isn't good enough. |
| 06:16.30 | Coke | dondelelcaro: there should be a header specifically for it |
| 06:16.40 | Coke | deufo: change the - to a _ |
| 06:16.40 | dondelelcaro | Coke: then read the copyright file which is linked from packages.debian.org |
| 06:16.46 | michal_ | now it's already installed but not configured.. i just rm'd the file hoping it would redownload.. but that's not the problem :/ it's installed but unconfigurable |
| 06:16.48 | deufo | btw, theres a i810_audio module loaded |
| 06:17.04 | Coke | dondelelcaro: I know. But I said I wanted it in the apt-cache show. |
| 06:17.09 | michal_ | is there anything I can do to fix this situation? |
| 06:17.10 | dondelelcaro | Coke: most people indicate it with Homepage: foo bar baz, where they downloaded it from in the copyright file, and often in debian/watch. |
| 06:17.18 | deufo | Coke:still no mod |
| 06:17.18 | Coke | dondelelcaro: that way you could visit the upstream project site before having to install. |
| 06:17.20 | dondelelcaro | Coke: that's not what the control file is for. |
| 06:17.26 | BooYah | http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/apache2 <-- where does it say mod_so |
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| 06:17.37 | sussudio | bob2: i see tardboy was evading his ban again |
| 06:17.48 | sep | michal_ dpkg should give an more descriptive error message just above what you pasted what was the real error ? |
| 06:17.50 | Coke | deufo: why are you talking about the control file? I just want the information on where they got the sources. |
| 06:17.52 | deadcat | is it worth to buy a 4dbi wireless antenna for $5? |
| 06:17.53 | michal_ | it just keeps spewing md5sum gave malformatted output `fc857c5ac5fb84d80720ed4d1c624f6e' |
| 06:17.57 | bob2 | sussudio: which one? |
| 06:17.58 | Coke | deufo: OSS or ALSA? I forgot to ask. |
| 06:18.00 | sanxiyn | BooYah: Shit. |
| 06:18.02 | sanxiyn | BooYah: Go away. |
| 06:18.03 | sussudio | bob2: William_Wallace |
| 06:18.10 | bob2 | sussudio: ah, that was my fault |
| 06:18.11 | Coke | dondelelcaro: why are you talking about the control file? I just want the information on where they got the sources. |
| 06:18.12 | deufo | ummm, how i check? |
| 06:18.19 | dondelelcaro | michal_: uh, what is the output of echo |md5sum; |
| 06:18.21 | bob2 | sussudio: the ban list got full so I nuked some dynamic-looking bans |
| 06:18.25 | sanxiyn | BooYah: It surely has DSO. See yourself. |
| 06:18.27 | sussudio | bob2: :-| |
| 06:18.35 | dondelelcaro | Coke: the control file is what actually is being shown in apt-cache show; |
| 06:18.35 | rxc | hello. i did something stupid and now i ended up with the file font.cache-1 in all directories starting from the root.... how can i recursively delete them? |
| 06:18.36 | bob2 | BooYah: it doesn't say that there |
| 06:18.46 | BooYah | then where should i be looking? |
| 06:18.50 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: 68b329da9893e34099c7d8ad5cb9c940 - |
| 06:18.51 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 06:18.56 | sanxiyn | BooYah: Go compile one yourself. |
| 06:18.57 | bob2 | BooYah: for god's sake |
| 06:19.04 | Coke | dondelelcaro: and why wouldn't it be appropriate to have the upstream location there? |
| 06:19.09 | cafuego | BooYah: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=apache2-common&version=testing&arch=i386&page=2&number=50 |
| 06:19.09 | bob2 | BooYah: if it's a huge deal for you, file a wishlist bug asking that they mention it in the description |
| 06:19.10 | BooYah | sanxiyn: you're not helping me so why bother? |
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| 06:19.17 | deadcat | trig_hm: cool. its similar to what i have, i was just want to make wure what real mirrors do. (= |
| 06:19.18 | dondelelcaro | Coke: it's often located there, but in many cases it's not appropraite. |
| 06:19.21 | cafuego | BooYah: lots n lots n lots of dso moduels that come in apache2-common. |
| 06:19.24 | Coke | dondelelcaro: why not? |
| 06:19.34 | bob2 | BooYah: I guess they assume people will know it has DSO support, since every apache module in Debian is, er a module. |
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| 06:19.37 | dondelelcaro | Coke: if it's missing, and you wish it were, file a wishlist bug against the package asking for it to be included. |
| 06:19.38 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: does that mean anything to you? |
| 06:19.41 | cafuego | BooYah: if you STILL whine after looking at that page, can you please just go and whine somewhere else? |
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| 06:19.50 | dondelelcaro | michal_: that's fine then... was wondering if you had the wrong version of md5sum or something. |
| 06:19.59 | deufo | coke:how i check if alsa or oss |
| 06:20.13 | Coke | dondelelcaro: that's not a bad idea. :) |
| 06:20.17 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Or macbe a patched 'md5sum' |
| 06:20.18 | dondelelcaro | michal_: can you paste in #flood or using the paster bot the complete output of the dpkg run you're giving? |
| 06:20.23 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah. |
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| 06:20.35 | michal_ | deondel: ok.. going to #flood now |
| 06:20.45 | sanxiyn | BooYah: So, you have seen http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=apache2-common&version=testing&arch=i386&page=2&number=50 (apache2-common file list)? |
| 06:21.02 | sanxiyn | BooYah: Now, try to say your crap again. |
| 06:21.05 | bob2 | sanxiyn: yes, cafuego pointed him/her at it |
| 06:21.11 | bob2 | sanxiyn: please leave the discussion |
| 06:21.16 | sanxiyn | Okay. |
| 06:21.18 | cafuego | Also check 'apt-cache show apache2-common' |
| 06:21.19 | Coke | deufo: you said "snd_intel8x0" was already loaded, right? |
| 06:21.39 | litage | is the apt package 'mysql-server' the wrapper for mysqld? |
| 06:21.47 | deadcat | deufo: did you do linux26 during sarge install? |
| 06:21.50 | sanxiyn | litage: It is mysqld. |
| 06:21.56 | litage | thanks sanxiyn |
| 06:22.04 | deufo | 5 d4n th5n2 s6 |
| 06:22.12 | cafuego | deufo: what? |
| 06:22.15 | deufo | i dun think so |
| 06:22.21 | deufo | sorry, num lock on laptop |
| 06:22.31 | deufo | i just followed the wizard |
| 06:22.38 | deadcat | deufo: thought that was some leet message |
| 06:22.47 | dondelelcaro | michal_: hrm... that's pretty interesting. |
| 06:22.50 | Coke | deufo: well, you have to little knowledge for me to have the time to teach you all of it. |
| 06:22.58 | i-r-o | cafuego, do you mind if i PM you? |
| 06:23.07 | deufo | i810_audio |
| 06:23.09 | deadcat | deufo: what kernel you using? |
| 06:23.11 | Coke | deufo: you absolutely _must_ learn how Linux and kernel drivers work |
| 06:23.18 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: feels more frightening than interesting from where I am :/ |
| 06:23.32 | deufo | i dunno where the kernel is in debian |
| 06:23.37 | Coke | deufo: because now it's like me trying to give you directions in a language you don't understand |
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| 06:23.39 | dondelelcaro | michal_: run dpkg -D111 --configure -a; |
| 06:23.40 | cafuego | deufo: 'uname -a' |
| 06:23.46 | deufo | usually its in /usr/src rite? |
| 06:24.00 | deadcat | deufo: yes and no |
| 06:24.06 | deufo | 2.4.27 |
| 06:24.08 | cafuego | BooYah: Are you content that apache/apache2 has DSo support? |
| 06:24.09 | dondelelcaro | michal_: and paste the output (if it's insanely long, the paster bot will probably be easier) |
| 06:24.36 | deadcat | deufo: i wonder what would happen if you reisntall sarge but this time instead of hitting enter, you type linux26 |
| 06:24.51 | deufo | so i have to install again? |
| 06:24.52 | deadcat | people dont read the install message |
| 06:24.55 | deadcat | deufo: no |
| 06:24.57 | dondelelcaro | michal_: hrm... try with -D3773 |
| 06:24.59 | deufo | phew |
| 06:25.18 | sanxiyn | deufo: Just upgrade the kernel. No need to reinstall. |
| 06:25.22 | deufo | i installed gentoo 3 times and got so fustrated so i changed to debian to see if its less fustrating |
| 06:25.31 | deufo | how to upgrade kernel in debian? |
| 06:25.35 | sanxiyn | deufo: Eh, why did you reinstall gentoo anyway? |
| 06:25.42 | dondelelcaro | deufo: just install the new kernel version? |
| 06:25.44 | Coke | deufo: You should use Mandrake |
| 06:25.47 | dondelelcaro | s/?$// |
| 06:25.48 | deufo | cuz portage was corrupted |
| 06:25.52 | Coke | deufo: or possibly Ubuntu |
| 06:25.54 | deadcat | deufo: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 then select the newest one |
| 06:26.04 | sanxiyn | (Gentoo is known for "install once, use forever", just like any sane distros.) |
| 06:26.18 | deadcat | deufo: ya. ubuntu might be for you |
| 06:26.18 | Coke | sanxiyn: more like "install forever" |
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| 06:26.30 | sanxiyn | Coke: Well, "build forever". That's different. |
| 06:26.31 | zignig | Coke: use once ? |
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| 06:26.46 | Coke | deufo: if you want a quick setup, try Mandrake. |
| 06:26.53 | deufo | if debian doesn't work for me, i'll just go back to slackware |
| 06:26.55 | deufo | lol |
| 06:27.09 | Coke | deufo: how the HECK can you manage Slackware, but not Debian? |
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| 06:27.15 | stouset | sanxiyn: That may be the propaganda, but I've never seen a system like that other than Debian. Gentoo, Slackware, RedHat, Fedora Core...I've had all of them wedge beyond repair at some point. |
| 06:27.18 | Guerin | deufo: same kernel, bud |
| 06:27.19 | stouset | sanxiyn: Never Debian. |
| 06:27.25 | deadcat | deufo: if you can handle slackware i dont see why you cant do debian.. you dont know module but yet using slackware.. hmm |
| 06:27.37 | Coke | deufo: we are talking about Linux _fundamentals_, how to load drivers and that works the same way in Slackware. |
| 06:27.41 | dondelelcaro | michal_: hrm... and /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.md5sums looks ok? |
| 06:27.49 | cafuego | stouset: I've only ever seen that on Redhat, coz the admin didn't know how to update it and got it compromised. |
| 06:27.51 | deufo | slackware's the first distro i used :P |
| 06:28.00 | Coke | deufo: yeah, but loading modules still work the same way |
| 06:28.03 | deadcat | deufo: then you are one dumb linux user |
| 06:28.04 | Coke | deufo: in ALL distros |
| 06:28.15 | deufo | lol |
| 06:28.28 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: it doesn't exist :/ |
| 06:28.31 | Coke | deufo: you are telling use you can't drive a car, but you can drive a ford. |
| 06:28.35 | deadcat | deufo: maybe its best you go back to slackware |
| 06:28.36 | dondelelcaro | michal_: you've already tried dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6*; right? |
| 06:28.37 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:28.41 | sanxiyn | lol |
| 06:28.42 | dondelelcaro | michal_: hrm... that may be part of the problem. |
| 06:29.04 | deufo | lol, but then pkgtool so annoying |
| 06:29.13 | sanxiyn | I haven't used Slackware, but heard good things about it. |
| 06:29.14 | deufo | i dun want to manually update every package |
| 06:29.37 | deadcat | deufo: ubuntu is for you. |
| 06:29.38 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: no.. unfortunately I mistakenly tried removing the deb file and doing a dist-upgrade in the hope that it would redownload it again.. i misunderstood the error and thought the deb had a bad checksum |
| 06:29.39 | Coke | deufo: you don't have to. and we haven't discussed packages yet, you're still stuck on loading a god damn driver for the kernel. |
| 06:29.45 | mrhemlock | how do i remove a package with status iU ? |
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| 06:30.06 | deufo | lol, i'm apt-getting it already |
| 06:30.12 | Coke | I hereby decree that deufo must sell his PC and buy a Mac. |
| 06:30.12 | stouset | mrhemlock: dpkg --purge? |
| 06:30.23 | dondelelcaro | michal_: ah... can you use wget to download the version of the .deb that you need? |
| 06:30.25 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: in the situation i am in is there any way to get apt-get to print the url of the deb file? |
| 06:30.31 | deufo | btw, in gentoo, if u use portage to get a package, use emerge it, wat about for apt-get? |
| 06:30.36 | sanxiyn | mrhemlock: Eh, that's bad. |
| 06:30.41 | deadcat | Coke: then what? install debian? HAHAHAH |
| 06:30.54 | deadcat | deufo: apt-get |
| 06:30.55 | Coke | deadcat: no, use OSX ofcourse. |
| 06:30.57 | deufo | like wat is the verb of using apt-get |
| 06:30.59 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: yes. as soon as i figure out the url i should be able to get the file |
| 06:31.01 | deadcat | Coke: ah.. |
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| 06:31.10 | deufo | apt-getting? |
| 06:31.13 | dondelelcaro | michal_: if this is testing, you can get it from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/ |
| 06:31.14 | deadcat | deufo: apt-get mother fucker |
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| 06:31.21 | zignig | apt-goiting ? |
| 06:31.24 | sanxiyn | Coke: Well, let's not frighten newbie. |
| 06:31.26 | mrhemlock | dpkg -P complains "dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove" ? |
| 06:31.31 | bob2 | deadcat: dude |
| 06:31.33 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: actually it's potato :P but I should be able to follow a similar path |
| 06:31.36 | deadcat | bob2: my bad |
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| 06:31.42 | dondelelcaro | michal_: ah. well, it'll be there too |
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| 06:31.51 | deufo | ok, so apt-get finished getting the kernel, i dun need to build it myself? |
| 06:31.55 | Coke | sanxiyn: I just recommend them to Mandrake or Ubuntu and when they get experienced enough they'll come right back to Debian. |
| 06:31.57 | stouset | mrhemlock: is it a base package? =P |
| 06:32.00 | cat | any good guides for debian that i can download on pdf? |
| 06:32.01 | dondelelcaro | michal_: or actually, potato may have moved elsewhere... |
| 06:32.11 | Coke | deufo: it's already built unless you downloaded the kernel sources. |
| 06:32.12 | dondelelcaro | cat: the quick reference is a good start |
| 06:32.15 | dondelelcaro | !quick reference |
| 06:32.15 | dpkg | hmm... reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 06:32.20 | mrhemlock | no, is from apt-get.org |
| 06:32.22 | Coke | deufo: but the kernel image packages are binary |
| 06:33.00 | deufo | so uh, i try loading the module again? |
| 06:33.06 | i-r-o | hmmm |
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| 06:33.44 | stouset | deufo: you need to uh, actually run the new kernel first. Reboot. |
| 06:33.45 | i-r-o | i just had a look into the security update folder (http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/) |
| 06:33.46 | cat | dondelelcaro: i already read that, |
| 06:33.51 | i-r-o | and there is no package available |
| 06:34.01 | deufo | ok brb ppl |
| 06:34.04 | i-r-o | why is that? |
| 06:34.10 | bnoji | What do I need to authenticate linux and windows users against a linux "domain controller"? |
| 06:34.14 | caphuso | i-r-o: because sarge doesn't get security updates yet |
| 06:34.15 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: i do believe it's http://debian.crosslink.net/debian-archive/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.1.3-20_m68k.deb |
| 06:34.18 | dondelelcaro | cat: ah... well, there's a new book coming out shortly, but most of the known stuff is http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 06:34.21 | bnoji | LDAP, Samba... |
| 06:34.27 | dondelelcaro | michal_: yeah, that's right |
| 06:34.28 | i-r-o | when will it start getting them? |
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| 06:34.41 | dondelelcaro | michal_: this is m68k, right? |
| 06:34.59 | michal_ | dondel: oops.. i mean to get the i386 one :P |
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| 06:35.10 | sanxiyn | Is archive.debian.org down? |
| 06:35.10 | dondelelcaro | michal_: yeah, that'll help. |
| 06:35.13 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: yes. |
| 06:35.14 | Borg^Queen | why is this sef telling me about pron movies? |
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| 06:35.18 | simonrvn | bnoji: openldap, samba, and throw in heimdal kerberos (you get AD) |
| 06:35.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:35.27 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Why? |
| 06:35.27 | Coke | Borg^Queen: probably a spam bot. |
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| 06:35.37 | sanxiyn | http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive states that "If you need to access one of the old distributions of Debian, you can find them at the Debian Archives, http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/." |
| 06:35.37 | Borg^Queen | Ah ok lol |
| 06:35.56 | mrhemlock | I thinkk i found on wiki THNX |
| 06:36.05 | Coke | Borg^Queen: you don't _have_ to follow up on it's suggestions |
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| 06:36.19 | Borg^Queen | What suggestion? |
| 06:36.29 | stouset | bnoji: Samba, openldap |
| 06:36.31 | Coke | Borg^Queen: to visit big-titties.com , etc. |
| 06:36.40 | stouset | simonrvn: if you think that's all that AD is, you're sorely mistaken = |
| 06:36.45 | cafuego | Ah. |
| 06:36.47 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 06:36.47 | michal_ | sanxiyn: it states wrong.. archive.debian.org is (or at least was) down |
| 06:36.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:37.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.97.90.2] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:37.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:37.10 | stouset | don, you forgot to kick =P |
| 06:37.16 | simonrvn | stouset: that's sums it up. and i'm not talking about the fancy schmancy GUI. get over yourself |
| 06:37.28 | sanxiyn | michal_: So, what does one do if one need to access one of the old distributions of Debian? |
| 06:37.29 | zignig | simonrvn: you forgot to add M$ borkitude and standard munting tricks |
| 06:37.38 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:37.46 | zignig | simonrvn: :) |
| 06:37.49 | michal_ | sanxiyn: look on the list of mirrrors and find one that still works |
| 06:37.51 | Borg^Queen | So, I'm on Sarge and trying to dial out (kde), and it keeps redialing. |
| 06:37.51 | dondelelcaro | stouset: no, I didn't... |
| 06:37.56 | Borg^Queen | Any thing I should look for?> |
| 06:38.05 | sanxiyn | michal_: Yes, some mirros work. |
| 06:38.22 | Coke | Borg^Queen: a DSL connection. |
| 06:38.42 | Borg^Queen | LOL< Ah, don't get me started on that. I have a BIG story concerning that. |
| 06:38.46 | stouset | simonrvn: The GUI is the only damn selling point. Nobody buys it because it's LDAP and SMB and all these other things. They buy it because they can do shit easily. You want the same thing with Linux, you edit the damn LDAP database using gq or some other general-purpose LDAP browser. |
| 06:38.51 | Coke | Borg^Queen: fill out the correct number. |
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| 06:39.01 | deufo | back it still refuses to work even if i loaded the module |
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| 06:39.08 | i-r-o | i'm sorry to ask that again, but i'd like a straight answer from as many people in here as i can.... could you vote between sarge or woody w/ backports plz? thx. |
| 06:39.09 | simonrvn | stouset: at least those three don't go about setting their own incompatible standards, which locks out the rest of the IT world... |
| 06:39.11 | stouset | simonrvn: I've *done it*. I've even gone to the extent of writing some frontends to it myself, since it's so lacking. |
| 06:39.34 | Coke | stouset: no, I prefer emacs and LDIF's |
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| 06:39.39 | stouset | simonrvn: I'm not talking lockout, etc. I'm simply saying that if someone wants AD and you give them Samba and OpenLDAP, they're going to laugh you out the door. |
| 06:39.43 | stouset | Coke: Har har =P |
| 06:39.44 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: how can i get lynx to download a file and save it to the current directory? it tried to install the deb from a temp file :/ |
| 06:39.45 | sanxiyn | phpldapadmin :-) |
| 06:39.55 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: and failed with the error in #flood |
| 06:39.56 | Coke | stouset: I can do more stuff more efficient in emasc than you could ever do in gq |
| 06:39.59 | simonrvn | stouset: i have my nose in LDAP everyday. i don't even want to get into AD. |
| 06:40.11 | simonrvn | Coke: here here |
| 06:40.18 | simonrvn | er, hear hear |
| 06:40.22 | maccadam | has someone already compiled the at76c503a Berlios driver on Debian?? |
| 06:40.24 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 06:40.31 | Coke | simonrvn: people always say "I need a GUI because it's easier". No it's NOT. |
| 06:40.42 | Coke | "easier" for them, perhaps. |
| 06:40.42 | TBBle-shigoto | maccadam: I have, on both Woody and sarge. |
| 06:40.46 | sanxiyn | Coke: But good tools are invaluable. |
| 06:40.59 | Coke | sanxiyn: yes, and I consider BASH + emacs to be to of the best. |
| 06:40.59 | Guerin | well, it is easier, for the first 3 times you have to do any given task |
| 06:41.02 | Borg^Queen | Coke: guis are the reason I dumped MDK. |
| 06:41.07 | deufo | hey, sound still refuses to work |
| 06:41.07 | Borg^Queen | Too guied up |
| 06:41.10 | Guerin | IF the gui is well-designed |
| 06:41.12 | maccadam | TBBle-shigoto: i can't seem to even START compiling :) |
| 06:41.13 | Coke | sanxiyn: as a matter of fact, I almost find all CLI tools better than their GUI variants. |
| 06:41.15 | Guerin | which they usually are not |
| 06:41.18 | maccadam | i'm using a stock debian kernel |
| 06:41.24 | maccadam | 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 06:41.24 | dondelelcaro | michal_: use the D command to do that... |
| 06:41.25 | simonrvn | Coke: no, it gets in the way. lazy people do it the gui way. gimme an ldapsearch ldapdelete any day. |
| 06:41.27 | michal_ | coke: a gui is easier if it helps the user visualize something that htey would otherwise have trouble understanding |
| 06:41.32 | zignig | Coke: command line gimp is crap IMHO |
| 06:41.33 | stouset | Coke: and the sad truth is that your company couldn't care less what you can do in Emacs with an LDIF. They want to hire some guy for $7 an hour who can add users and delete them all day long. They don't want to pay $80,000 a year for some guy to do perplexing things with something they don't understand when the $7 an hour guy gets similar results. |
| 06:41.35 | maccadam | and i have apt-getted the sources |
| 06:41.41 | maccadam | TBBle-shigoto: do you have a hint? |
| 06:42.12 | Coke | zignig: I imagine that CLI UT2004 wouldn't be a hit either, do you want to have a contest on stupid examples? :) |
| 06:42.31 | simonrvn | stouset: and when that server goes down, that 7$/hr dude has no fucking clue what he's doing, and you have a non-functional directory server on your hands. |
| 06:42.41 | stouset | Coke: Like I said, I've been doing this. I implemented LDAP/smb authentication for our Windows clients and Linux servers. Doing all the shit in gq or with the ldap-utils binaries is an absolute bear. Can I do it? Yeah. Is it worth wasting my time on? Not on your life. |
| 06:42.56 | sanxiyn | Coke: How about commandline diff vs. visual diff tools? |
| 06:42.57 | zignig | Coke: ummm , ahhh , let me think , no :) |
| 06:43.00 | Coke | stouset: well, I work at a universetity and we have no $7 / h guys here at all, they pay a lot of really good technicians to do alot of things, not just edit LDIFS. |
| 06:43.04 | dondelelcaro | michal_: or lynx -source foofile > barfile; |
| 06:43.09 | Guerin | for as long as it takes to beg, borrow or steal a guy who has a clue - and is now chargind $160k/year as an hourly rate |
| 06:43.16 | Coke | sanxiyn: I use it from bash |
| 06:43.27 | Coke | sanxiyn: or possibly in emacs |
| 06:43.43 | TBBle-shigoto | maccadam: -MODULE_DIR = $(DESTDIR)/lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/kernel/drivers/usb/ |
| 06:43.45 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: there's also --dump or something that does that right? i've already got it coming down with D.. i have that will mean save without trying to install |
| 06:43.46 | TBBle-shigoto | +MODULE_DIR = $(DESTDIR)/lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/at76c503 |
| 06:43.56 | Coke | sanxiyn: but I seldom use diff manually. mostly in conjunction with patch, cvs or svn. |
| 06:43.58 | sanxiyn | Coke: Try http://meld.sourceforge.net/meld_file1.png someday. |
| 06:43.59 | TBBle-shigoto | maccadam: That's the only change from the 0.11 tarball the last time I built it. |
| 06:44.07 | sanxiyn | Coke: Well, true. |
| 06:44.10 | stouset | simonrvn: And the sad fact is that half of Linux admins are crap, and they're about a hundred times as rare as Windows admins. So you're still in a situation where if something gets borked, you're probably in for a long ride. |
| 06:44.18 | TBBle-shigoto | Oh, I didn't build from apt-get'd source, I used the tarball ont he site. |
| 06:44.18 | Borg^Queen | Does anyone other than COKE, have an idea as to what might be causing my dialer to redial all the time |
| 06:44.19 | Coke | sanxiyn: emacs has a pretty nice interface for diffs. |
| 06:44.23 | dondelelcaro | michal_: -dump outputs the formatted output... which probably is ok if it realizes that it's not html |
| 06:44.31 | Borg^Queen | The pw is correct, and so is the number. |
| 06:44.33 | sanxiyn | Coke: Ah, emacs... emacs. |
| 06:44.41 | sanxiyn | Coke: emacs also has nice XML editing support. |
| 06:44.52 | Coke | sanxiyn: yes, nxml and ng |
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| 06:44.55 | maher | stouset: don't worry - when things break you can ask some high schools student in #debian to fix it... |
| 06:44.59 | TBBle-shigoto | maccadam: Oh, wait. that was an older, 2.4 version. Lemme find my 2.6 build. |
| 06:45.00 | Coke | sanxiyn: and so does vim. |
| 06:45.10 | simonrvn | maher: touché |
| 06:45.11 | maccadam | TBBle-shigoto: thanks for the trouble dude :) |
| 06:45.20 | sanxiyn | Coke: And, such support is valuable. Text editor alone is not universal tool. |
| 06:45.26 | zignig | maher++ |
| 06:45.45 | Coke | stouset: this university runs Linux and BSD only. |
| 06:46.08 | Coke | sanxiyn: no. I'm talking emacs, not a text editor. :) |
| 06:46.15 | Guerin | stouset: what proportion of windows admins are crap? |
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| 06:46.31 | simonrvn | Guerin: any one with an MSCE |
| 06:46.33 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Large? |
| 06:46.37 | Coke | stouset: the company I worked at before that had a Linux-only server park and the company before that too. |
| 06:46.38 | Guerin | stouset: in your estimation, I mean... |
| 06:46.47 | Guerin | well, I know what I think... |
| 06:46.55 | stouset | Guerin: A lot. But the likelihood of finding a Windows admin who can at least *fix* the problem is decent. |
| 06:47.15 | Coke | stouset: I beg to differ. It's SUPER DIFFICULT to find a Windows admin who really knows Windows. |
| 06:47.16 | Guerin | but then, I'm not a competent admin of anything except a my-first-server box |
| 06:47.16 | nevyn | stouset: I dunno there are a lot of bad windows sysadmins out there. |
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| 06:47.29 | stouset | Coke: You don't need to know Windows. |
| 06:47.32 | stouset | Coke: It's the shotgun approach. |
| 06:47.34 | Coke | stouset: you can find a lot of lame admins for Windows because many of them don't care much more than getting their MCSE. Linux users on the other hand. |
| 06:47.37 | nevyn | stouset: you do so. |
| 06:47.42 | TBBle-shigoto | maccadam: From a CVS build on January 9th, I did: |
| 06:47.43 | TBBle-shigoto | -MODULE_DIR = $(DESTDIR)/lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/at76c503 |
| 06:47.46 | TBBle-shigoto | +MODULE_DIR = $(DESTDIR)/lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/at76c503a/ |
| 06:47.48 | Coke | stouset: not for a 30,000+ employees company, you knitwit |
| 06:47.49 | TBBle-shigoto | And it built under 2.6 |
| 06:47.55 | maher | in my experience when windows breaks I can't fix it - but when things go wrong with debian I can nearly always fix it |
| 06:47.57 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: did you catch that in #flood? :/ |
| 06:47.57 | stouset | Coke: There are four billion MCSEs out there. A few million of them might be able to fix it. You've got better odds. |
| 06:48.09 | Guerin | four billion? wow. |
| 06:48.16 | nevyn | stouset: find someone who can fix even the stuff covered in the Microsoft Official Courseware for MSCE |
| 06:48.17 | stouset | My only point is that LDAP and Samba do not Active Directory make. I've been writing what I hope are some nice GUIs for it all. In the end, it still lets the $7 an hour guy do user administration all day long, while not having to be based on Windows. |
| 06:48.17 | Coke | stouset: if you run a 200+ servers Windows network you better have pretty damn excellent Windows admins. |
| 06:48.19 | Guerin | they give you a mcse at birth in india nowadays? |
| 06:48.20 | simonrvn | 4 billion. right. |
| 06:48.29 | nevyn | something like.. ntldr being screwed. |
| 06:48.30 | maccadam | TBBle-shigoto: what are those - and + signs (sorry for the perhaps nooby question :p)? |
| 06:48.33 | stouset | Coke: If you run 200+ Windows servers you've got a support contract from Microsoft. |
| 06:48.35 | zignig | Guerin: thats combined brain cels |
| 06:48.36 | Guerin | s/india/your country of choice/ |
| 06:48.40 | Coke | stouset: are you fucking stupid? |
| 06:48.41 | zignig | s/cels/cells |
| 06:48.42 | nevyn | or how to recover a user account that got fried. |
| 06:48.58 | Coke | stouset: they have it outsourced, yes, but not to Microsoft. |
| 06:49.01 | stouset | Argh, didn't mean to say Microsoft |
| 06:49.13 | Borg^Queen | naughty words |
| 06:49.20 | stouset | Either way, it's all outsourced. |
| 06:49.22 | stouset | They don't worry about it. |
| 06:49.26 | i-r-o | could you vote between sarge or woody w/ backports plz? thx. |
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| 06:49.27 | TBBle-shigoto | - is "the line says this now" and the + is "make it say this". That's in the Makefile, BTW. |
| 06:49.36 | Coke | stouset: I don't know one company who has their maintenance outsourced to Microsoft. Didn't even know they provided that service. |
| 06:49.38 | stouset | They pay some company to do it for them and it works. At that point, you're not even in the same universe as LDAP/Samba. |
| 06:49.40 | sanxiyn | i-r-o: Sarge. |
| 06:49.42 | Guerin | i-r-o: this is not a democracy, nor it is a polling station |
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| 06:49.52 | stouset | Coke: They don't. It was a mistake. |
| 06:49.52 | sanxiyn | (Because, it's close to release now...) |
| 06:49.54 | Coke | stouset: how old are you? |
| 06:49.57 | i-r-o | i still like opinions |
| 06:50.06 | stouset | Coke: irrelevant. |
| 06:50.07 | sanxiyn | Oh, it's interesting to watch dogfight. |
| 06:50.17 | maher | stouset: was anyone claiming that ldap+samba = active directory? |
| 06:50.20 | stouset | maher: Yes. |
| 06:50.28 | Coke | stouset: no it's not. I'm guessing your working experience is less than 4 years, would I be correct? |
| 06:50.31 | sanxiyn | stouset: Oh, that's too bad. Who claimed so? |
| 06:50.43 | nvz | i-r-o: opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one but nobody wants to hear em |
| 06:50.45 | simonrvn | i never claimed such |
| 06:50.46 | stouset | (01:35:18) simonrvn: bnoji: openldap, samba, and throw in heimdal kerberos (you get AD) |
| 06:50.51 | stouset | simonrvn: Close enough =P |
| 06:50.52 | Coke | stouset: (working with technical maintenance issues, that is) |
| 06:50.57 | i-r-o | nvz, well i do :p |
| 06:51.01 | stouset | Coke: No, you wouldn't be correct. |
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| 06:51.26 | TBBle-shigoto | maccadam: And that's just my personal preference of where the files are installed to. ^_^ |
| 06:51.30 | nevyn | stouset: then you still don't have AD. |
| 06:51.39 | cafuego | stouset: simonrvn was nearly right. You just need to tweak it with some random code deletions and typoes to make it proprietary. |
| 06:51.41 | nevyn | you have an AD member server. |
| 06:51.55 | maccadam | TBBle-shigoto: so only using the +.... would suffice? |
| 06:51.58 | stouset | cafuego: Not at all. Active Directory isn't just the underlying protocols, but the GUIs as well. |
| 06:51.59 | tga | what does AD do that ldap+samba can't? |
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| 06:52.04 | i-r-o | ok so i got one person's opinion... how about you others? |
| 06:52.11 | cafuego | tga: Run on Windows. |
| 06:52.15 | simonrvn | nevyn: you haven't seen heimdal lately then. they're well on their way |
| 06:52.16 | Coke | stouset: then you live on a different planet, because on Earth it is more difficult to find a good Windows admin than a good GNU/BSD admin. It might be easier to find a crappy Windows admin, but, in Sweden at least, large corporations do not gamble with crappy admins. |
| 06:52.18 | stouset | Coke: At the size of company where you're talking about deploying AD, they want some nice pretty GUI where they can hire a $7 an hour Windows monkey to administer users. If they have expensive people at all, they'd rather them focus on *interesting* and *difficult* problems. |
| 06:52.21 | cafuego | i-r-o: Mine's the only opinion that counts. |
| 06:52.22 | zignig | tga: dynamic access lists is the big one. |
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| 06:52.34 | i-r-o | cafuego, lol why? |
| 06:52.38 | sanxiyn | stouset: True. |
| 06:52.39 | cafuego | !cafuego |
| 06:52.39 | dpkg | from memory, cafuego is god, or the devil, or available now from http://www.cafuego.net/ and maybe a crackwhore. See also 'cafuego disclaimer', or teh r0x0rxz and Marvin the Paranoid Android, or unfairly accused of redirecting careless newbies to #shell. Also a sell-out. |
| 06:52.51 | sanxiyn | I hope some good things come out of Redhat's buy of Netscape Directory Server. |
| 06:52.51 | sanxiyn | http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/netscape/ |
| 06:52.53 | nevyn | simonrvn: samba 3 states quite specifically that it is NOT a AD PDC |
| 06:52.54 | cafuego | i-r-o: I am god. |
| 06:52.54 | i-r-o | wtf |
| 06:53.00 | cafuego | dpkg says so. |
| 06:53.04 | simonrvn | yet |
| 06:53.04 | Coke | stouset: why would they hire a $7 guy that, according to you, is comparable to a monkey and can only do the easiests of tasks, when they can hire someone who can do everything and does it well? |
| 06:53.05 | maher | stouset: and what happens when the $7/hour guy or something else breaks AD? |
| 06:53.05 | nevyn | simonrvn: if that's changed it'd rock. |
| 06:53.08 | sanxiyn | Netscape product is a decent stuff, and Redhat can make something good out of it. |
| 06:53.10 | stouset | Coke: In the U.S., I'd have to say you're wrong. There is a massive pool of Windows admins here, and it's "good enough" for your average company. |
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| 06:53.13 | i-r-o | cafuego, and you told me to go for sarge, didn't you? |
| 06:53.15 | stouset | Coke: Time. |
| 06:53.16 | simonrvn | nevyn: samba 4 |
| 06:53.20 | cafuego | i-r-o: Did indeed. |
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| 06:53.31 | nevyn | simonrvn: I know it's on the roadmap for smb4 |
| 06:53.33 | i-r-o | so that makes two people |
| 06:53.40 | cafuego | i-r-o: ie: 100% ? |
| 06:53.41 | rxc | anyone has their font screwed up after a recent apt-get upgrade? sarge |
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| 06:53.50 | nevyn | simonrvn: and I know sgi,RH,etc are all drooling for it. |
| 06:53.53 | nevyn | sun. |
| 06:53.54 | sanxiyn | rxc: Yes, I did. |
| 06:54.02 | sanxiyn | rxc: I just edits /etc/fonts/fonts.conf to my taste. |
| 06:54.05 | aliasd | !monkeyinabag |
| 06:54.12 | in\exhale | I installed a new hdd and copied the partitions from my old one. While it boots fine when I connect to the net using linuxant's hsf modem driver the next time I try to access something from the hdd it hard lockups. Any ideas what might help? |
| 06:54.17 | stouset | Coke: The number of skilled people who can do everything is limited. The number of people who can administer user accounts is near infinite. Having you spend five minutes at $100/hr doing user administration is a waste of money, plane and simple. |
| 06:54.17 | nevyn | if sun can put smb4 on a big sun box and sell it as a pdc to enterprise that will make them happy |
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| 06:54.21 | sanxiyn | rxc: fontconfig 2.3.x seems to be harmful. |
| 06:54.23 | venki | hi |
| 06:54.40 | simonrvn | nevyn: half the world is waiting for it. i was playing with devel heimdal a little while ago, has ldap support, and it's getting more of it |
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| 06:54.56 | i-r-o | ok well thx for the input guys |
| 06:55.04 | stouset | maher: That's where the pool of experienced folks comes in. You have them fix interesting and difficult problems. That would, I assume, include your central AD server being wedged. |
| 06:55.04 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: argh.. i have to disappear for a while now.. bbl |
| 06:55.07 | maccadam | TBBle-shigoto: no it still doesn't want to compile :) |
| 06:55.09 | i-r-o | oh btw... i'm having problems with exim4 |
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| 06:55.25 | tga | i-r-o: use postfix :) |
| 06:55.25 | i-r-o | even with spamd_address, exim does not seem to query the spamd server |
| 06:55.27 | Coke | stouset: ok. well, I'm glad the university I work at now has gone out of their way to hire excellent hackers and technicians instead of mediocre monkeys. And if US corporations hire monkeys as often as you say it's no wonder you have some of the worse IT structures in the world. |
| 06:55.34 | TBBle-shigoto | maccadam: Don't include the '+'. Just find the line in Makefile that looks like the bit after the - and make it look like the bit after the +. |
| 06:55.35 | i-r-o | tga, why postfix? |
| 06:55.36 | zignig | stouset: if you are such and M$ advocate , why are you in #debian ? |
| 06:55.39 | ryan- | stouset: If they have a guy they're paying $100/hr, they probably have multiple admins, and one if them is probably on a lower payscale. |
| 06:55.47 | sanxiyn | What is the crapness index of Exim? |
| 06:55.48 | stouset | Coke: No, it isn't a wonder at all. But it's the cheapest way of doing business. |
| 06:55.49 | maher | stouset: ok - i'm fortunate I have no personal interactions with AD - if other people wish to use it its fine by me |
| 06:55.49 | tga | i-r-o: dunno, it's nicer |
| 06:55.49 | TBBle-shigoto | maccadam: What's the actual problem? |
| 06:55.51 | simonrvn | Coke: that's exactly the case |
| 06:55.53 | rxc | sanxiyn: when was the update? it just happened to me today.. but i haven't started any new apps for two three days so i am not sure when it's broken |
| 06:56.09 | stouset | zignig: I'm not. I'm simply a realist. Saying that OpenLDAP + Samba != Active Directory isn't Windows fanboyism; it's just the goddamn truth. |
| 06:56.14 | sanxiyn | rxc: I don't know, but even Debian developers complained, on planet.debian.org, IIRC. |
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| 06:56.26 | sanxiyn | rxc: Again, I now forgot about it, having edited fonts.conf to hell myself... |
| 06:56.27 | maccadam | TBBle-shigoto: http://www.pastebin.com/264663 |
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| 06:56.33 | zignig | stouset: man you can type fast :) , true. |
| 06:56.38 | Coke | stouset: In the long run I don't think it will be cost efficient. |
| 06:56.40 | ryan- | Coke: and a lot of companys here do hire monkeys. |
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| 06:56.42 | rxc | sanxiyn: umm... and editing /etc/fonts/font.config is not a permant solution at all |
| 06:56.48 | maccadam | that are the last lines make spat out |
| 06:56.50 | sanxiyn | rxc: Indeed. |
| 06:57.04 | ryan- | Hireing monkeys IS stupid |
| 06:57.08 | ryan- | but it happens. |
| 06:57.11 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:57.18 | cafuego | stouset: Stop being a windows fanboy. |
| 06:57.21 | Coke | According to stouset it's more cost efficient. |
| 06:57.23 | ryan- | outsourcing IS is better. |
| 06:57.23 | sanxiyn | Coke: Who cares long run? |
| 06:57.27 | Guerin | they shit alll over the keyboards and get territorial about the hatracks |
| 06:57.28 | stouset | zignig: I think Active Directory is crap. I've seen it wedge more times than I have appendages, teeth, and hairs. If we had some nice interfaces over the LDAP/Samba configuration, and it was pluggable to support other services as well (mail, DNS, etc.) then we might have something that could compare. And like I said, I'm also attempting to write these :-P |
| 06:57.30 | ryan- | then hireimg monkeuys |
| 06:57.37 | Coke | sanxiyn: Swedish governmental institutions, like the university? |
| 06:57.38 | ryan- | if you can't afford a full time guru |
| 06:57.46 | stouset | Coke: In the long run? Probably not. But what business looks at the long run? |
| 06:57.54 | nevyn | simonrvn: the last note I see regarding smb4 development is about it reaching susan status october last year |
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| 06:57.56 | cafuego | hmmm. |
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| 06:58.02 | sanxiyn | Coke: Makes sense. Your estimate of portion of institutions caring long-run cost efficiency? |
| 06:58.07 | simonrvn | stouset: none of them. this is why we have the problems we have today |
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| 06:58.10 | maher | stouset: cool - is this code available? |
| 06:58.14 | maccadam | TBBle-shigoto: can you make sense out of it :)? |
| 06:58.18 | james_ | yo yo yo |
| 06:58.30 | stouset | maher: Not yet. I'm still writing the libraries for it. |
| 06:58.32 | james_ | all kindsa dope out in this bitch! |
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| 06:58.43 | stouset | maher: Specing it out, etc. |
| 06:58.44 | simonrvn | nevyn: "susan"? i follow heimdal and oldap more |
| 06:58.49 | kendrick | hrm, how does one do an AND search (vs an OR) when using aptitude? |
| 06:58.50 | rxc | sanxiyn: the more i try to fix the more screwed up it becomes... i wanted to have 6x13 font for my gnome-term and also nice aa fonts for firefox... now i can't get both of them at the same time... and i have a feeling that my /etc/fonts/local.conf is ignored entirely |
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| 06:59.05 | nevyn | simonrvn: tridges wife using it for her day to day activities. |
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| 06:59.07 | kendrick | e.g., if I want to find VNC clients for KDE, I thought I could do aptitude search ~dkde ~dvnc |
| 06:59.09 | Coke | sanxiyn: pretty much all of them. the economy is, just like in the US, declining here in Europe and since many European nations give a lot of shit away for free (like health care, education and today even IT-stuff) they know how to be long-term cost efficient. |
| 06:59.12 | sanxiyn | rxc: Sorry, I can't help... |
| 06:59.15 | maher | stouset: there are lots of ways things could be made more accessible to other people, so I'm glad you are working on this |
| 06:59.16 | simonrvn | nevyn: ah ok |
| 06:59.18 | stouset | maher: It started out as me making changes to a webmin module, but that quickly grew out of webmin's scope. Right now I'm working on the architecture of it before I start writing code. |
| 06:59.22 | yoc | how to play mplayer in background? |
| 06:59.23 | kendrick | but that finds ALL KDE packages, _AND_ ALL VNC-related packages |
| 06:59.57 | ryan- | kendrick: write a shell script to AND the results? ;) |
| 06:59.58 | Guerin | kendrick: apt-cache search | grep |
| 07:00.02 | maher | stouset: webmin never seemed like a good idea to me - but I think cups web front end will eventually turn in to something very noce |
| 07:00.09 | kendrick | Guerin: I know how to apt-cache search | grep |
| 07:00.09 | Coke | sanxiyn: Many institutions here revert from Windows and large mainframes to PC-based GNU/BSD setups because GNU and BSD has the largest competence pool today. |
| 07:00.14 | stouset | maher: Well, I may not end up finishing. It's a large task, and I have other things on my plate. |
| 07:00.20 | ryan- | Guerin: that often does not help |
| 07:00.21 | kendrick | i'm curious how to search like this using aptitude! |
| 07:00.23 | kendrick | :^P |
| 07:00.26 | nevyn | Coke: where's here? |
| 07:00.30 | Guerin | it often depends how you do it |
| 07:00.36 | stouset | maher: What I have so far is at http://devel.touset.org/projects/ladr, I think, but I haven't updated in awhile. Been working on another project, at http://devel.touset.org/projects/dbc-sharp/ |
| 07:00.38 | maher | stouset: if you make progress and leave the code lying around other people may take it up |
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| 07:00.51 | nevyn | kendrick: it's in the aptitude manual |
| 07:00.52 | Coke | nevyn: Europe in general, but it's pretty divided. Some countries look like crap IT-wise while others excel. |
| 07:00.53 | kendrick | it seems more useful than grep'ing, since sometimes the short desc or name contains a term, and sometimes the full desc (which you can't grep when doing apt-caceh search!) contains it |
| 07:00.56 | kendrick | nevyn: where?!? |
| 07:00.57 | sanxiyn | Coke: You live in a good land, it seems. |
| 07:00.58 | TBBle-shigoto | maccadam: Umm... Looks like you haven't got kernel-headers-2.6.8 installed, or the build process hasn't been pointed at them? |
| 07:01.01 | yoc | how to play mplayer in background? |
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| 07:01.11 | sanxiyn | Coke: It's nothing like that here in Korea. |
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| 07:09.48 | stouset | Well that's one way of winning an argument. |
| 07:09.48 | nevyn | well that was fun |
| 07:09.48 | Coke | Lewis Black "you don't fucking know if the US is the best country in the world. There might be countries giving shit away for free every fucking day, you don't know. Canada is one of those countries. Do you know what they give? Health care!" |
| 07:09.48 | TBBle-shigoto | maccadam: I think you need to paste the whole thing, not just the error, into the pastebot. |
| 07:09.48 | simonrvn | paatay taime |
| 07:09.48 | kendrick | yeah |
| 07:09.48 | simonrvn | win? heh |
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| 07:09.49 | Coke | sanxiyn: Lewis Black is a funny commedian. |
| 07:09.49 | Coke | from the US |
| 07:09.49 | kendrick | so here's my problem |
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| 07:09.49 | yoc | how to play mplayer in background? without console i mean |
| 07:09.49 | kendrick | "aptitude search ~dvnc|grep -i kde" shows some results |
| 07:09.49 | kendrick | "aptitude search ~dkde|grep -i vnc" shows none |
| 07:09.49 | Coke | yoc: what do you mean? as a GUI client instead of a CLI client? |
| 07:09.50 | Coke | yoc: there's a GUI for mplayer called gmplayer. |
| 07:09.50 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 07:09.50 | kendrick | any other ideas, nevyn? ;) |
| 07:09.50 | sanxiyn | Not to mention http://www.kde.nl/apps/kmplayer/en/ |
| 07:09.50 | maher | kendrick: why is that a problem? what do you want to do? |
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| 07:09.51 | kendrick | i want to be able to find apps that say both "VNC" and "KDE" in the description! ("~d") |
| 07:09.51 | sanxiyn | KMPlayer is decent. |
| 07:09.51 | kendrick | for /example/ :) |
| 07:09.51 | yoc | Coke, as cli client, but no output |
| 07:09.51 | stouset | yoc: ...you want to run mplayer, but you don't want mplayer to do anything? |
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| 07:09.51 | Guerin | he wants it to be backgrounded |
| 07:09.51 | kendrick | what i'm doing above is earching for ONE term in the description ("~d") and then take that result and look in the name (grep) |
| 07:09.51 | TBBle-shigoto | -vo:null? |
| 07:09.51 | stouset | yoc: I assume you also spend hours piping /dev/random to /dev/null and watching the results? |
| 07:09.51 | Guerin | yoc: 2>&1 > /dev/null & |
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| 07:09.53 | sanxiyn | kenboo: krdc, krfb. |
| 07:09.53 | yoc | stouset, no output in console |
| 07:09.53 | kendrick | sanxiyn: ARGH! |
| 07:09.53 | kendrick | I KNOW about those!!! :) |
| 07:09.53 | inu | yoc, setsid mplayer foo &>/dev/null |
| 07:09.53 | kendrick | I was just trying to use aptitude to FIND them for someone, and my initial search came up empty |
| 07:09.53 | Wyzard | stouset: Bad idea, use /dev/urandom instead ;-) |
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| 07:09.53 | sanxiyn | kendrick: Sorry. I did grep-available KDE -a VNC -sPackage, but it could be easy, yes you're right. |
| 07:09.53 | stouset | Wyzard: What's it matter? Going to /dev/null anyways =P |
| 07:09.57 | sanxiyn | (-a for AND.) |
| 07:10.09 | kendrick | from what i've seen, mplayer stops its GUI (no video playback, etc. etc.) if you background it, which is I think what he wants :) |
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| 07:10.16 | kendrick | ... except for the GUI stoping part ;) |
| 07:10.28 | Wyzard | stouset: When no entropy is available, /dev/random blocks until some becomes available; /dev/urandom provides pseudo-random data |
| 07:10.45 | maher | kendrick: do you want and or or |
| 07:10.50 | kendrick | and! |
| 07:10.51 | Wyzard | stouset: If you read endlessly from /dev/random, you use up all the system's entropy and cause your other entropy-using processes to hang |
| 07:10.55 | inu | guerin, if you simply background it mplayer won't work, so you have to use setsid |
| 07:11.00 | jetscreamer | we have a chanserv? |
| 07:11.03 | Guerin | ah, right |
| 07:11.05 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:11.05 | kendrick | if i do OR (which it seems to do if I do "~dkde ~dvnc"), i get /everything/ from KDE, like I said earlier... |
| 07:11.13 | stouset | Wyzard: fair enough. |
| 07:11.15 | kendrick | (plus everything that says "VNC" in it, too) |
| 07:11.15 | Guerin | !setsid |
| 07:11.20 | Guerin | eh |
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| 07:11.54 | kendrick | so instead of the two items mentioned (krdb and krfb), one gets 673 'results' ;) |
| 07:11.58 | stouset | Night, folks. |
| 07:12.17 | yoc | inu, what's &> ? |
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| 07:12.24 | kendrick | where does one find 'grep-available'? :) |
| 07:12.25 | maher | kendrick: aptitude search ~dvnc~dkde <-- no space |
| 07:12.32 | kendrick | maher: AHHHH |
| 07:12.39 | maher | kendrick: as described in the docs |
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| 07:12.44 | sanxiyn | yoc: &> X = > X 2>&1 |
| 07:12.45 | kendrick | where!? :) |
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| 07:12.57 | kendrick | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 07:13.03 | kendrick | i guess it doesn't /not/ say that ;) |
| 07:13.06 | maher | kendrick: http://doc2.inf.elte.hu/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html |
| 07:13.11 | kendrick | but god DAMN, an example would be good!!! |
| 07:13.12 | sanxiyn | kendrick: grep-dctrl package. |
| 07:13.18 | maher | kendrick: To match packages whose names contain several different substrings, use the ~n matcher (described below); for instance, ?~napti~ntude? |
| 07:13.18 | inu | yoc, shortcut to redirect both stdout and stderr |
| 07:13.36 | sanxiyn | OMG aptitude does different things depending on whitespace? |
| 07:13.44 | kendrick | maher: cool, thanks |
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| 07:14.01 | maher | everyone has to invent their own regular expressions - otherwise life would be boring |
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| 07:14.11 | kendrick | heheheheheh |
| 07:14.14 | kendrick | totally ;) |
| 07:14.24 | kendrick | sanxiyn: yeah, it seems |
| 07:14.33 | kendrick | what's even more confusing it it SPECIFICALLY mentions "|" for 'OR' |
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| 07:14.51 | maher | kendrick: feel free to send a patch to the doc maintainer |
| 07:14.54 | ryan- | hahah |
| 07:14.55 | kendrick | so it implies: aptitude search term1 | term2 searches for anything with either term1 or term2 |
| 07:15.03 | kendrick | but without "|", it does the same, so far as i can tell |
| 07:15.09 | kendrick | maher: i'll strongly consider it :) |
| 07:15.20 | kendrick | aptitude looks kick-ass, and i'm trying to ween myself from apt-get ;) |
| 07:15.32 | Guerin | wean |
| 07:15.36 | kendrick | err, heheh :) |
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| 07:15.41 | kendrick | i kannot spel |
| 07:15.45 | Guerin | ween are a pair of nutters who do too many solvents |
| 07:15.48 | caphuso | kendrick: grep-available -i -F Description vnc --and kde |
| 07:16.00 | kendrick | (i'll have my wife proofread my patches ;) ) |
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| 07:16.09 | caphuso | you probably need to install grep-dctrl first |
| 07:16.13 | kendrick | caphuso: thanks, grep-available was mentioned, and i'm looking into it :) |
| 07:16.15 | kendrick | hehehe |
| 07:16.28 | kendrick | dude, that's SO 30 seconds ago! |
| 07:16.36 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:16.44 | kendrick | sorry, to californian? |
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| 07:17.41 | sanxiyn | bye |
| 07:17.46 | kendrick | My first change to the docs would be in the examples. What each "type of terms" do is 'buried' in the description |
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| 07:18.34 | kendrick | it's just a different label used in those entries. |
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| 07:19.08 | kendrick | anyway, i'll stop babbling... :) |
| 07:19.40 | simonrvn | and start writing it down somewhere |
| 07:19.51 | kendrick | ;) |
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| 07:20.51 | cafuego | Yay. 2.6.12 breaks nvidia. |
| 07:21.10 | nevyn | cafuego: and the problem is? |
| 07:21.28 | simonrvn | @kernel |
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| 07:21.59 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.6, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc1, 2.4: 2.4.29, prepatch: 2.4.30-rc3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac6, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc1-mm3 |
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| 07:23.24 | chealer | no need to say kernel.org's load with that delay |
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| 07:23.46 | simonrvn | also the host computer's ;) |
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| 07:24.20 | chealer | hehe. cafuego : so wait the stable one for the real breakage :) |
| 07:24.23 | dabreegster | I just finished compiling a kernel with bootsplash support for kernel-package and I installed the .deb. I noticed there's no initrd.img in /boot though. What's that mean? |
| 07:24.56 | maher | dabreegster: you forgot the --intrd flag |
| 07:25.24 | FlimFlamMan | initrd isn't necessary though is it |
| 07:25.27 | dabreegster | maher: doh. Er, so, do I have to recompile? |
| 07:25.33 | kendrick | well, thanks nevyn, maher, cafuego, and others! |
| 07:25.45 | dabreegster | I'm not sure. Bootsplash mentions something about attaching a picture onto the initrd |
| 07:26.05 | kendrick | go aptitude install some of my games, as my thanks to you ;^) |
| 07:26.20 | holycow | i'd love for debian to include bootsplash support in the future |
| 07:26.31 | FlimFlamMan | dunno about bootsplash - but i have a system with some kernels that use initrd and one that doesn't - they all seem to work if grub is set up right |
| 07:26.39 | simonrvn | why? no one ever reboots often enough ;) |
| 07:26.53 | dabreegster | Bootsplash is good for the permanent background console image. |
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| 07:27.03 | FlimFlamMan | maybe someone could install it on a dell gx1 and watch it boot over and over! |
| 07:27.07 | dabreegster | I've yet to get it to work. Anybody here have any experience with it? |
| 07:27.45 | zignig | holycow: and apm .... |
| 07:27.51 | zignig | holycow: oops , MOO! |
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| 07:28.50 | dabreegster | I guess I'll restart and hope for the best. I've got my old kernel and a Knoppix CD, so I'll be safe. Well, here goes. brb. |
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| 07:29.06 | maher | dabreegster: you probably need to rerun make-kpkg with the --initrd flag |
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| 07:30.03 | mithro | how do i create a sparse file? |
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| 07:30.45 | maher | mithro: cat /dev/zero > file, count to seven ctrl-c |
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| 07:31.14 | slugbug | heh: count to seven? |
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| 07:32.29 | mithro | maher: hrm then why does that cause my df to shrink? |
| 07:32.31 | RJ-84 | how do i make fontconfig read my local.conf? it used to work... i chose not to enable bitmap fonts.. so a symlink was created in /etc/fonts/conf.d to no-bitmap.. i then included /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/6x13 in my local.conf so i can use that for my terminal... but now it's not being read |
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| 07:32.59 | dabreegster | No go. I booted the new kernel and it failed with an error about VFS being unable to mount root fs on something. |
| 07:33.23 | simonrvn | yeh. no initrd i bet. do what maher told you |
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| 07:33.43 | dabreegster | Add --initrd to make-kpkg kernel_image? |
| 07:33.53 | dabreegster | That mean I have to recompile? Cause that took 4 hours. |
| 07:33.56 | slugbug | dabreegster: in the dir where you built the kernel, "mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-version version" |
| 07:33.59 | maher | mithro: http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2005-January/042139.html |
| 07:34.07 | dabreegster | alright slugbug, thanks |
| 07:34.08 | npx | http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144161&cid=12078968 best slashdot thread evar |
| 07:34.19 | maher | mithro: i was lying - that doesn't create sparse files |
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| 07:34.42 | maher | dabreegster: 4 hours? on what machine? |
| 07:34.46 | slugbug | heh, I've been wanting an iBook (to run Debian of course) |
| 07:34.59 | dabreegster | maher: a 500mhz AMD k6 |
| 07:35.08 | slugbug | OS X is nice, but it seems pretty sluggish |
| 07:35.18 | npx | jesus it used to take under an hour with 2.2.x on a k62 400 |
| 07:35.35 | dabreegster | maher: I didnt go through the module list real carefully and only get whats needed though, I pretty much just enabled some fb stuff needed for bootsplash |
| 07:35.41 | mithro | maher: yeah, as i thought, so wouldn't happen to know a program to create one? |
| 07:35.46 | CroatianNinja | does anyone know of a way to make debian autoconfigure new hardware when you move the harddrive it is on to a new computer? |
| 07:35.47 | maher | dabreegster: ok - that seems too long... |
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| 07:35.57 | dabreegster | I'm gunna try the kernel again. brb. |
| 07:36.02 | pif | hi, why does certain keyboard's multimedia keys send no X events? |
| 07:36.21 | pif | how do these keyboards communicate with the OS? |
| 07:36.21 | slugbug | I don't know how long it took to build my newest kernel... I sshed in from school and started it and then detached |
| 07:36.22 | CroatianNinja | cause when i move it to a different computer now it says something like: kernel panic tried to kill init |
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| 07:36.31 | slugbug | (this is a PIII 500 MHZ) |
| 07:36.36 | npx | pif, because the keys are useless and you should consider the possibility (however grim) that there is a higher power and he hates you |
| 07:36.50 | slugbug | eww, multimedia keys |
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| 07:37.04 | CroatianNinja | yeah multimedia keys suck |
| 07:37.14 | CroatianNinja | just put black tap over them |
| 07:37.14 | CroatianNinja | heh |
| 07:37.17 | maher | mithro: not offhand - open a file and write directly to > 128 blocks and see |
| 07:37.25 | slugbug | CroatianNinja: or get a real keyboard |
| 07:37.45 | mithro | maher: googling doesn't seem to turn up to much, you would think it would be easy to do this |
| 07:37.53 | pif | no these keys are useful to control xmms and stuff |
| 07:37.57 | doleyb | pif: my multimedia keyboard, only 50% of the special keys send xevs |
| 07:38.11 | maher | mithro: use your favourite programming language... |
| 07:38.16 | CroatianNinja | slugbug, thats oldschool |
| 07:38.20 | serj | i have a dumb question i use debian sarge with 2.6.10 kernel and i know that modules to be loaded are put in /etc/modules but theres this strange thing that tg3 (a broadcom 1G module) is auto loaded but not present either in /etc/modules nor in the initrd img |
| 07:38.29 | serj | any ideas where it's loaded from |
| 07:38.31 | pif | doleyb: a colleague tells me to apt-get lineakd |
| 07:38.48 | doleyb | pif: yes, I use lineakd. It works fine to get the keys to change volume, play/pause xmms, and stuff. |
| 07:38.49 | maher | serj: maybe hotplug |
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| 07:39.03 | slugbug | CroatianNinja: http://clickykeyboard.com/pics/modelm-007.jpg |
| 07:39.04 | doleyb | pif: but lineakd doesn't have a good configurator, you still have to run xev and edit the config file with vi |
| 07:39.07 | slugbug | there IS no other keyboard |
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| 07:39.16 | slugbug | ;) |
| 07:39.28 | serj | maher, hotplug what are his conf files? |
| 07:39.48 | pif | doleyb: so lineakd won't help at all if the keyboard sends no X event in any case? |
| 07:40.13 | maher | serj: /etc/hotplug/blacklist <-- if you don't want it loaded try adding it to rhis |
| 07:40.25 | doleyb | pif: right, lineakd just listens to things it gets from x |
| 07:40.35 | phorce1 | Does anyone have a postfix 2.1.5 .deb with the virtual quota patches from http://web.onda.com.br/nadal/ included? I've been digging around and don't see one. If not -- can anyone point me to instructions for patching the debian package I have installed without breaking future upgrades? |
| 07:40.42 | CroatianNinja | slugbug, are you running a window manager? |
| 07:40.56 | slugbug | CroatianNinja: yes, Afterstep |
| 07:41.00 | pif | doleyb: right, I already do that stuff with my wm |
| 07:41.17 | doleyb | pif: also, some keyboards do chains of events, like Volume-Up is ControlVControl+ (or something), which lineakd can't recognize (it only works with singel keycodes) |
| 07:41.22 | CroatianNinja | slugbug, heh |
| 07:41.45 | pif | I suspect these "keys" are part of a usb device maybe? |
| 07:41.57 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: just apt-cache source postfix; patch the .deb, apt-get builddep postfix; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; change the changelog to add an epoch of say 99999 for your new version, and fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
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| 07:43.42 | slugbug | oh man, I am loving this FlashBlock plugin |
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| 07:47.37 | FlimFlamMan | is mozilla-firefox-gnome-support supposed to give me a native gnome file-open dialog in firefox? doesn't seem to work. |
| 07:47.43 | FlimFlamMan | i'm using testing |
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| 07:48.30 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: Errr -- I've been using Debian since "Bo" and have so far managed to avoid having to patch anything. Usually differences meant I just installed from a tarball into /usr/local. You lost me after the "get the source" part. <grin> |
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| 07:51.45 | serj | i want to make a specific interface with a specific name based on the mac address how can i do it |
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| 07:52.10 | cat | is there any pdf editor for text only? |
| 07:52.17 | omnistegan | hey guys, I just installed debian sarge for the first time, I use slackware also, the only screen resolutions it offers me are 800x600 and 640x480 is there a configuration app to set up all the graphic drivers and everything? |
| 07:52.19 | cat | so i can read text only, |
| 07:52.33 | cat | i don't wanted it graphical i just wanted it all on text, |
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| 07:53.32 | cat | omnistegan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree83 |
| 07:53.34 | cat | omnistegan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 07:53.40 | omnistegan | thanks cat |
| 07:53.46 | cat | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:53.55 | cat | there u go, |
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| 07:54.06 | cat | is there any pdf text editor? that i can used? |
| 07:54.13 | phorce1 | cat: you could try using pdftohtml then use a text browser like lynx to view the result. |
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| 07:54.37 | sh0rt | i cant seem to ping another box connected via crossover cable, ip's are set, any ideas. |
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| 07:55.05 | cat | phorce1: u could convert them to html? with pdftohtml ? |
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| 07:55.12 | maher | cat: no - xpdf can search for text |
| 07:55.16 | Humbe | sh0rt: Are ip's on same network? (subnet mask) |
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| 07:56.09 | sh0rt | yep 192.168.1.1 and .2, 255.255.255.0 netmask |
| 07:56.16 | phorce1 | cat: 'apt-cache show pdftohtml' |
| 07:56.35 | mosty | sh0rt: do your nic's have led's that indicate if the link is up? if so, are those led's on? |
| 07:56.38 | FlimFlamMan | is it possible to get a native gnome file/open dialog in firefox on testing? |
| 07:56.51 | cat | c0l |
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| 07:57.11 | cat | how can i removed something from /etc/init.d/? |
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| 07:57.34 | FlimFlamMan | cat: so it doesn't start automaticallt? |
| 07:57.35 | Humbe | cat: rm |
| 07:57.36 | maher | cat: update-rc.d |
| 07:57.51 | cat | it does |
| 07:57.56 | cat | but i want to removed it |
| 07:57.58 | cat | from the list |
| 07:58.07 | FlimFlamMan | update-rc.d |
| 07:58.08 | jk3 | FlimFlamMan: I don't think so, since firefox doesn't use gtk |
| 07:58.10 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: Also, on the patch thing -- what the heck do I add the patch to for Postfix -- There are several packages (postfix, postfix-mysql, postfix-tls) |
| 07:58.19 | cat | usage: update-rc.d [-n] [-f] <basename> remove |
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| 07:58.28 | FlimFlamMan | jk3: they have it working on ubuntu, and the package they use seems to exist in testing |
| 07:58.53 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: you want to patch postfix itself |
| 07:59.01 | sh0rt | mosty, yep, when I ping from one box with my firewall on, it shows the packets being blocked, but when I turn off the firewall, it doesnt return the pings |
| 07:59.02 | jk3 | FlimFlamMan: ah. didn't know that |
| 07:59.03 | FlimFlamMan | cat: what do you want to remove? |
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| 07:59.08 | cat | gdm |
| 07:59.37 | FlimFlamMan | update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 07:59.50 | FlimFlamMan | oopsie! |
| 07:59.57 | Humbe | packages don't remove config files when uninstalled.. So either purge when uninstalling or rm remaining files at a later time.. |
| 08:00.04 | Humbe | (That was to cat) |
| 08:00.25 | FlimFlamMan | i wonder if cat knew what gdm was |
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| 08:01.24 | serj | thanks alot |
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| 08:03.07 | cat | is there anything something better than lynx? |
| 08:03.16 | Opiated | links2 |
| 08:03.17 | drac | cat: elinks |
| 08:03.22 | maher | cat: w3m links links2 |
| 08:04.28 | mosty | sh0rt: does each of these machines only have one network card? |
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| 08:05.05 | CroatianNinja | does running update-menus at root make any difference? |
| 08:05.08 | sh0rt | mosty, yep, |
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| 08:05.33 | CroatianNinja | *as root |
| 08:05.44 | qwert | I have 20 gigs for Debian and /, /home, /usr, /var, /temp as partitions - what size should they be? |
| 08:05.53 | mosty | sh0rt: can you paste the output of "ifconfig" and "route -n" on each machine on one of those paste websites? |
| 08:06.01 | Opiated | http://rafb.net/paste/results/KESU8569.html <= silliest thing i've ever done |
| 08:06.02 | qwert | oh yes, and a swap |
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| 08:06.09 | mosty | qwert: for a home box? |
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| 08:06.29 | sh0rt | mosty, ill put on #flood |
| 08:06.35 | qwert | yes ... a laptop toshiba |
| 08:06.54 | qwert | at most 4 users |
| 08:06.55 | Guerin | qwert: just one bit happy partition |
| 08:06.59 | mosty | sh0rt: i prefer something like rafb.net/paste/ |
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| 08:07.11 | Guerin | qwert: maybe a separate root and home |
| 08:07.21 | mosty | qwert: what querin said. just use one big partition minus 256M (max) for swap |
| 08:07.24 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: heh -- and make sure you are sitting in the directory you want apt-get source pkgname to dump to before you use it -- I forgot that little tidbit. ;-) |
| 08:07.29 | Guerin | qwert: but don't go four partitions, that's just stupid |
| 08:07.30 | FlimFlamMan | or a /boot, / and <swap> |
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| 08:07.33 | Opiated | what is a good ide/editor for C/C++ |
| 08:07.40 | Guerin | Opiated: emacs |
| 08:07.48 | Opiated | ok |
| 08:08.08 | sh0rt | mosty, ok, will tell you when its done |
| 08:08.10 | toukitsune | Is there anyway I can find out why some programs have been taken off of the APT servers? |
| 08:08.12 | FlimFlamMan | Opiated, might try anjuta |
| 08:08.24 | Guerin | toukitsune: BTS |
| 08:08.31 | simonrvn | phorce1: i think dondelelcaro knows |
| 08:08.37 | toukitsune | bts? |
| 08:08.45 | Guerin | !tell toukitsune about bts |
| 08:09.00 | FlimFlamMan | !tell FlimFlamMan about bts |
| 08:09.01 | qwert | ok..thanks |
| 08:09.07 | Opiated | I am using gedit to work with .c files right now and learn c/c++, I would like to have a few more functions like perhaps a warning issued while editing code if in case I miss to close with a } or ; or something, or maybe a more featureful IDE for c/c++ |
| 08:09.15 | Guerin | gedit, eew |
| 08:09.17 | CroatianNinja | !tell CroatianNinja about bts |
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| 08:09.37 | mosty | opiated: vim can do syntax hilighting if you are comfortable with vi |
| 08:09.41 | CroatianNinja | !tell CroatianNinja about wget |
| 08:09.45 | Opiated | i've never used vi |
| 08:09.52 | Opiated | i use nano a lot |
| 08:09.56 | robink | For goodness sakes, /msg dpkg |
| 08:10.05 | jm_ | Opiated: apt-get install cream |
| 08:10.06 | mosty | opiated: i'd do a search on freshmeat, see what's available |
| 08:10.19 | Opiated | mosty, keywords to search for |
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| 08:10.36 | Guerin | jm_: wow, debian had Eric Clapton digitised and on a server? |
| 08:10.42 | Guerin | I guess now Debian is God |
| 08:10.44 | mosty | opiated, they probably have a section on editors, i'd search for syntax hilighting if that's what you want |
| 08:11.00 | toukitsune | Ok if a program is not on the server then there is no way to obtain a debian package for it anymore? |
| 08:11.12 | jm_ | Guerin: why, is that his song or an album? |
| 08:11.14 | phorce1 | simonrvn: I know -- gave me the quick and dirty "how to patch a debian package" instruction set -- I haven't used 'apt-get source' in a LONG time -- was sitting in /var/www/something when I used it to grab postfix -- oops. |
| 08:11.19 | mosty | toukitsune: you can get old packages from the archive |
| 08:11.29 | Guerin | toukitsune: snapshot.debian.net keeps old packages - they may no longer work, though |
| 08:11.37 | Guerin | jm_: band |
| 08:12.08 | simonrvn | phorce1: woops :) |
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| 08:13.25 | sh0rt | mosty, ok its there |
| 08:13.27 | voyd | when using ip masquerading, is there any way to disable masquerading on incoming packets?, every packet that goes through my iptables (masqueraded) firewall to a server on the inside, always looks like its coming from the firewall however its coming from the internet... |
| 08:14.02 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 08:14.18 | Guerin | simonrvn: later |
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| 08:15.41 | sean_micken | hmm |
| 08:15.45 | sean_micken | does unstable have gnome 2.10? |
| 08:15.47 | phorce1 | Opiated: you can also try joe (apt-get install joe). It highlights. I use it exclusively because I "grew up" with WordStar on CP/M machines. I'm comfortable with the ^K command features. |
| 08:16.03 | mosty | sh0rt: you have to post the link here |
| 08:16.08 | Opiated | http://freshmeat.net/projects/c-forgeide/ |
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| 08:16.19 | Opiated | this one seems pretty cool |
| 08:16.29 | sh0rt | mosty, http://rafb.net/paste/results/J3bA0d64.html |
| 08:16.41 | csaba198 | hi! Does anybody know is it possible to install libsdl-gfx2.0 with apt-get (sid), or only 1.2, and should i install it from source? |
| 08:17.02 | Guerin | csaba198: never install anything from source on debian |
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| 08:17.25 | mosty | you can install from source in debian just fine. just do it in /usr/local/ |
| 08:17.33 | csaba198 | guerin: i didn' t want, but i didn' t found libsdl-gfx2.0 after apt-get update, and i need it. |
| 08:17.40 | Guerin | csaba198: and i recommend you use apt-cache policy and similar to find out if that package is available |
| 08:17.48 | Guerin | csaba198: need it for what? |
| 08:17.59 | csaba198 | for rotozoomSurfaceXY |
| 08:18.01 | sean_micken | how do i sync my clock with ntp? |
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| 08:18.14 | poonj | anyone here get games to work in wine? |
| 08:18.15 | Guerin | wow, that gets the award for stupidest software name ever |
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| 08:18.39 | Guerin | sean_micken: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 08:18.46 | mosty | sh0rt: you've tried pinging from a -> b, have you tried pinging from b -> a? |
| 08:18.57 | sean_micken | Guerin, ah ... thanks. |
| 08:18.59 | Opiated | poonj, morrowind, diablo 2 here |
| 08:19.03 | nevyn | poonj: which games? |
| 08:19.04 | Opiated | under wine |
| 08:19.13 | poonj | Opiated: did you use the default version of wine? |
| 08:19.25 | poonj | Opiated: or did you use a patched up version to get directx to work |
| 08:19.39 | sh0rt | mosty, yep both ways |
| 08:19.40 | cat | how can i used my mouse on my terminal? |
| 08:19.41 | cat | any ideas? |
| 08:19.46 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 08:19.46 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little WD-40, and a handful of starving ostriches. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 08:19.57 | Guerin | cat: apt-get install gpm |
| 08:20.24 | sean_micken | it's okay to have both testing AND unstable in your sources.lst just so long as you put a APT::Default-Release "testing"; in the apt.conf, right? |
| 08:20.24 | cat | does fbsd uses gpm? |
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| 08:20.43 | Opiated | i just used whatever package was on sarge man |
| 08:20.44 | Guerin | sean_micken: man apt_preferences for more about pinning |
| 08:20.45 | sh0rt | mosty, the win box seems to be pinging as it shows up in my guarddog logs, but when I turn it off, it still doesnt return the pings |
| 08:20.45 | mosty | sean_micken: it can get messy doing that |
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| 08:20.58 | sean_micken | mosty, but there are some packages i need that are only in unstable. |
| 08:21.00 | Guerin | sean_micken: you really don't want to fuck with it if you're not dead sure |
| 08:21.04 | Opiated | I have os works pinned for xfce4.2 :D |
| 08:21.29 | aditza_^^ | i have debian sarge installed on a server. how can i update the system through the internet... how my apt.sources should look like? |
| 08:21.42 | nagual | aditza_^^: use apt-setup |
| 08:21.42 | Guerin | aditza_^^: apt-setup |
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| 08:21.45 | mosty | sean_micken: how badly do you need them? |
| 08:21.47 | nagual | 2fast4u! |
| 08:21.51 | barbari | how i can build pagage to .deb file, i want to build amule-cvs |
| 08:21.51 | aditza_^^ | thx |
| 08:21.55 | sean_micken | mosty, pretty damn bad, dude. ;) |
| 08:22.07 | markybob | barbari, read the new maintainer guide on debian.org |
| 08:22.07 | Guerin | !tell barbari about nm guide |
| 08:22.14 | sean_micken | mosty, how can it "get messy" ? |
| 08:22.18 | Guerin | wow, we got some groupthink in here tonight |
| 08:22.22 | mosty | sean_micken: i would just upgrade to unstable |
| 08:22.42 | mosty | sean_micken: well for instance what if you want to install a package that depends on the libc from unstable? |
| 08:23.00 | sean_micken | mmm |
| 08:23.10 | sean_micken | i guess that may fuckify some shit. |
| 08:23.18 | jm_ | maher;it's the same as in Sarge right now |
| 08:23.24 | jm_ | err mosty |
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| 08:23.36 | mosty | sh0rt: do you have anything in /etc/hosts on the linux machine, or the equivalent on the windows machine? |
| 08:23.39 | poonj | Opiated, how did you get dx9 to work? |
| 08:23.48 | bahamat | hey guys, what's a good program I can use to monitor disk I/O from a term? |
| 08:23.49 | Opiated | poonj, i dont know |
| 08:23.52 | Opiated | it just worked |
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| 08:23.58 | sean_micken | mosty, so unstable doesn't have security updates and i can comment that line out of my sources.lst? |
| 08:23.59 | mosty | jm: s/libc/some other commonly-depended on package/ |
| 08:24.04 | poonj | Opiated: okay, so you used the default package |
| 08:24.22 | mosty | sean_micken: only stable has security updates |
| 08:24.22 | Guerin | sean_micken: what would you think? |
| 08:24.24 | sh0rt | mosty, nup, hadnet thought of that, add each machine to hosts allow? |
| 08:24.25 | Opiated | yes |
| 08:24.26 | omnistegan | hey guys, my friend that got me to try debian was raving about apt-get, can someone quickly explain to me how to use it? |
| 08:24.36 | Opiated | omnistegan, man apt-get |
| 08:24.41 | sean_micken | Guerin, hey i'm just making sure smart ass. |
| 08:24.44 | Guerin | !tell omnistegan about pkgmgmt |
| 08:24.52 | mosty | sh0rt: hosts.allow should not affect this |
| 08:25.07 | Guerin | sean_micken: there's the thing: you need to trust your own judgment. |
| 08:25.23 | sean_micken | Guerin, sometimes i've fucked myself though. :P |
| 08:25.34 | sean_micken | better to ask a quick question then to fuck up something. |
| 08:25.38 | sh0rt | mosty, ok, what should I do |
| 08:25.44 | Guerin | sean_micken: in the immortal words of Oliver Stone: "You should be more careful." |
| 08:26.06 | sean_micken | i was being more careful by asking you. |
| 08:26.13 | Guerin | sean_micken: better to understand what you're doing well enought that you won't fuck things up in a way you can't fix |
| 08:26.13 | mosty | sh0rt: i'd take down the ppp interface and see if that changes things. if it does, it's a default gateway problem |
| 08:26.30 | sean_micken | Guerin, testing has security updates too |
| 08:26.32 | mosty | sh0rt: and you're pinging by ip address (not name) right? |
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| 08:26.52 | Guerin | sean_micken: yes, but as you correctly stated, unstable doesn't. |
| 08:27.04 | sh0rt | mosty, I was wondering about that, i tried mucking around with route, but couldnt seem to get it right, and yep its by ip |
| 08:27.46 | mosty | sh0rt: well "route add -host 192.168.1.1 eth0" should tell your linux machine explicitly where to send packets for 192.168.1.1 |
| 08:27.50 | nnk | unstable doesnt need any, it is "on the bleeding edge", to put it this way.. (?) |
| 08:27.50 | omnistegan | so if i wanted to download and install a package using apt-get i would use the source option? |
| 08:28.07 | Guerin | omnistegan: no. You'd use apt-get install <packagename> |
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| 08:28.26 | Guerin | omnistegan: apt-get source <packagename> gets source code which you must then compile |
| 08:28.28 | jogla | ehlo #debian |
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| 08:28.33 | sh0rt | mosty, ok will try |
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| 08:28.57 | omnistegan | Guerin: ok well how do I know the name of the package I need to get with apt-get? |
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| 08:29.50 | Guerin | omnistegan: apt-cache search what you want to search for |
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| 08:30.39 | jogla | wherefrom does fetchmail know wich mda i'm using? |
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| 08:31.19 | Guerin | fetchmail just passes mail to your mta as any other imcoming mail - it doesn't know anything; your mta knows. |
| 08:31.32 | jogla | ahh |
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| 08:31.54 | jogla | wherefrom does my mta know wich mda i'm using? |
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| 08:31.59 | jogla | :) |
| 08:32.04 | sh0rt | mosty, still no good |
| 08:32.05 | Guerin | jogla: depends how you have it set up |
| 08:32.05 | phorce1 | jogl: with no special config in .fetchmailrc to say otherwise it just dumps to localhost port 25 |
| 08:32.23 | jogla | hmm |
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| 08:33.19 | jogla | i want maildrop to deliver my emails (i'm using exim4 as mta and maildrop as mda) |
| 08:33.42 | Guerin | does normal mail coming in on port 25 get delivered by maildrop? |
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| 08:33.58 | sh0rt | mosty, its strange cause if I ping my debian box then run ifconfig, then the packets recieved goes up, but obviously it doesnt reply |
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| 08:34.17 | phorce1 | jogla: to get it to do something other than feed localhost port 25 (your local MTA) you really need to sit down and read ALL of the fetchmail man page and any documentation in /usr/share/doc. It can do a lot but it's not very forgiving if you mess up the rcfile. |
| 08:34.43 | FlimFlamMan | should i be using smp amd64 kernel on a dual-xeon box? i've been using 686-smp |
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| 08:34.57 | Guerin | is a xeon anything to do with amd? |
| 08:35.01 | Guerin | think carefully |
| 08:35.11 | nevyn | FlimFlamMan: who made the cpu's? |
| 08:35.17 | FlimFlamMan | i know |
| 08:35.25 | nevyn | how OLD are the cpu's? |
| 08:35.32 | Guerin | then you have your answer |
| 08:35.35 | nevyn | if they're ia32e cores.... |
| 08:35.38 | Guerin | age is irrelevant |
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| 08:35.45 | nevyn | Guerin: not really. |
| 08:35.46 | Guerin | nevyn: read the question again |
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| 08:35.52 | FlimFlamMan | it's a year or two old |
| 08:36.04 | nevyn | Guerin: if the cpu's are ia32e then they implement X86_64 instruction set |
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| 08:36.26 | nevyn | FlimFlamMan: then 686-smp is most likely correct. what kind of xeons tho? |
| 08:36.32 | Guerin | eh |
| 08:36.33 | FlimFlamMan | don't recall |
| 08:36.38 | nevyn | are they pIV xeons or pIII xeons |
| 08:36.40 | jogla | phorce1: ok thank you |
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| 08:37.00 | FlimFlamMan | Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz |
| 08:37.22 | nevyn | Guerin: intel have implemented X86_64 on their current xeons |
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| 08:37.45 | nevyn | FlimFlamMan: so that's a PIV it may be worth re-compiling the kernel if there's no 786 kernel availible. |
| 08:37.52 | Guerin | nevyn: still a 32-bit chip, though? |
| 08:38.05 | nevyn | Guerin: only in as much as a athlon 64 is. |
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| 08:38.21 | Guerin | hrm |
| 08:38.27 | sean_micken | how many ppl acutally install hdparm and tweak their hdd params? |
| 08:38.44 | nevyn | anyone who cares about system performance... |
| 08:38.45 | tarzeau | sean_micken: i do |
| 08:38.46 | Guerin | sean_micken: |<---->| this many people |
| 08:38.54 | FlimFlamMan | hmm, don't see 786 |
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| 08:39.09 | tarzeau | well i only turn on dma |
| 08:39.15 | FlimFlamMan | i just use it for dma |
| 08:39.29 | nevyn | FlimFlamMan: it may be worth building a kernel with a current gcc in order to get branch prediction and stuff in the kernel code. |
| 08:39.32 | Guerin | i just turn the timeout down on my cd drive |
| 08:39.35 | Guerin | the rest of it is all ok |
| 08:39.59 | nevyn | FlimFlamMan: it depends on what the machine load will be. |
| 08:40.13 | FlimFlamMan | nevyn, probably not too high |
| 08:40.26 | nevyn | FlimFlamMan: just run 686-smp and don't worry about it then |
| 08:40.27 | FlimFlamMan | python web apps, postgresql, tomcat |
| 08:40.31 | FlimFlamMan | ok |
| 08:41.14 | FlimFlamMan | probably less than a hundred concurrent connections |
| 08:41.16 | EvanCarroll | nevyn: use a virtual machine the first time |
| 08:41.52 | poonj | hey guys |
| 08:41.53 | CroatianNinja | EvanCarroll, for gentoo? |
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| 08:41.59 | SlayerXP | nevyn: you'll need about a month to do it |
| 08:42.01 | EvanCarroll | CroatianNinja: why not |
| 08:42.03 | poonj | when removing a package |
| 08:42.03 | nevyn | FlimFlamMan: it shouldn't be breaking a sweat. |
| 08:42.04 | directhex|work | nevyn, actually, em64t is a 64 bit patch on a 32bit design, amd64 is thoroughly 64bit in design, with 32bit compatability |
| 08:42.04 | jerome | someone ever used DFS ? |
| 08:42.11 | poonj | how could I remove all the packages that came with the software? |
| 08:42.14 | nevyn | directhex|work: ok. my bad. |
| 08:42.25 | CroatianNinja | EvanCarroll, i was just clarifying, sounds like a good idea, ive never tried gentoo |
| 08:42.28 | jerome | I'm looking for a nice recovery CD to rescuse my collegue broken system. |
| 08:42.30 | Coke | poonj: apt-get remove <list of package names> |
| 08:42.33 | jerome | the disk seems KO |
| 08:42.34 | nevyn | poonj: use aptitude |
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| 08:42.47 | yoc | are there any blog programs in debian |
| 08:42.48 | yoc | ? |
| 08:42.54 | CroatianNinja | jerome, system recovery linux |
| 08:42.59 | nevyn | yoc: aptitude search ~Dblog |
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| 08:43.23 | jerome | CroatianNinja: what am i supposed to understand ? boot options ? |
| 08:43.24 | yoc | nevyn, what's ~D ? |
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| 08:43.26 | EvanCarroll | CroatianNinja: it isn't easy to install, the documentation isn't flawless, and it is nice to be able to ditch and restart install without having to reformat, the case for using a virtual pc is even stronger if you don't have multiple boxes |
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| 08:44.26 | CroatianNinja | jerome, http://www.sysresccd.org/index.en.php |
| 08:44.46 | drac | Arg! I moved my /dev/hdb to /dev/hda some time ago, and changed it to menu.lst (grub) and everything was fine but after I installed new kernel-image and it updated grub I didn't check it and it changed everything back to /dev/hdb and now the machine won't boot. I'm on grub shell atm. Trying to figure out how to boot with root=/dev/hdb2 and /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.6-hdr. Could anyone familiar with grub shell give me a tip? |
| 08:44.58 | Coke | EvanCarroll: you don't have to reformat stuff on a real pc |
| 08:44.59 | drac | Hmm, trying to boot root=/dev/hda2 i mean |
| 08:44.59 | nevyn | yoc: search the description |
| 08:45.00 | jc-denton | how can i configure cron, so that it logs errors to /var/log/cron instead of mailing them? |
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| 08:45.20 | CroatianNinja | jerome, what do you need to do to fix this person's comp? |
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| 08:45.31 | nevyn | ooh that'd be neat. |
| 08:45.33 | cafard | hi all |
| 08:45.35 | TinoW | drac: root (hd0 ... then press tab |
| 08:45.35 | drac | Allready tried syntax: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.6-hdr root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 08:45.36 | CroatianNinja | hello |
| 08:45.40 | nevyn | if at and cron could log. |
| 08:45.42 | EvanCarroll | Coke: you could just rm -rf /, but that isn't fun =/ |
| 08:45.51 | Coke | EvanCarroll: just rewrite the filesystem |
| 08:45.53 | nevyn | to ~/joblogs |
| 08:46.04 | sean_micken | why doesn't XMMS install the library files it needs to run? |
| 08:46.21 | sean_micken | install XMMS and then try to run it and i get errors from the linker. |
| 08:46.27 | TinoW | drac: then kernel / <tab all the way to the image> like above, then boot |
| 08:46.34 | sean_micken | why aren't they included in the deps list? |
| 08:46.43 | Guerin | sean_micken: sarge, sid, or both? |
| 08:46.49 | sean_micken | both. |
| 08:46.53 | Guerin | haha |
| 08:47.02 | cafard | is there a well-known bug in sid about gnome printing via cups? as soon as i ask for a print from a gnome application, it freezes. |
| 08:47.08 | phorce1 | OK -- patching postfix. Still can't find a clear HOWTO for debian patching, I have so far downloaded source (apt-get source postfix) and run apt-get build-dep postfix. What now though? dpkg-buildpkg in the source directory? |
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| 08:49.19 | jerome | CroatianNinja: actually, the system (windows XP) isn't booting anymore, but as this is a laptop, I can't just take the disk onto another comp and get data back (if possible). So I wondered about using debian from scratch to perform the mount ntfs & cp to samba operations. |
| 08:49.39 | jerome | actually, I don't know if dfs supports smbfs |
| 08:49.42 | llama31 | grr |
| 08:50.00 | llama31 | I CANT CHANGE MY NICK >:( |
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| 08:50.55 | CroatianNinja | jerome, well the system recovery cd has ntfs support but i've never used it to copy something to another machine |
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| 08:51.16 | CroatianNinja | jerome, what error message does it give when it trys to boot? |
| 08:51.56 | Coke | llama31: /nick ImLame |
| 08:51.58 | phorce1 | CroatianNinja: Have you looked into using a Knoppix CD to see if it has samba support? (I haven't built a new Knoppix CD in a while so I don't know what's there anymore) |
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| 08:52.08 | TBBle-shigoto | jerome: Get a 2.5" IDE => full size IDE adaptor, and throw the hard disk in another machine? |
| 08:52.21 | cat | is there any mp3 text player my mp3blaster is playing super fast i can't hear the lyrics |
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| 08:52.24 | llama31 | when i use 2.6 kernel, my cdrw drive goes from scd0 ro sr0 i think, but for some reason it also makes k3b say it can burn cdrw, but cant burn cdr, and it wont let me burn anything on it :| any ideas? |
| 08:52.25 | cat | at all |
| 08:52.28 | jzaitz | jerome: have you tried knoppix? I was able to do what you described (boot into knoppix, mount ntfs partition, use samba to copy to share) |
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| 08:52.39 | Guerin | cat: cplay |
| 08:52.44 | jerome | TBBle-shigoto: don't have this kind of adaptator next to me :/ |
| 08:52.46 | Coke | cat: mplayer |
| 08:52.49 | directhex|work | llama31, don't use SCSI emulation on 2.6 |
| 08:53.04 | jerome | jzaitz: I had a dfs cd right there. But it seems it's not actually. |
| 08:53.05 | llama31 | directhex|work: how do i disable it? |
| 08:53.07 | jerome | damn |
| 08:53.09 | TBBle-shigoto | Ah, emergency rescue. |
| 08:53.17 | directhex|work | llama31, remove references to ide-scsi in your lilo/grub config |
| 08:53.18 | jerome | and of course, I don't have a cd burner on this box |
| 08:53.21 | jerome | I'm cursed |
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| 08:53.48 | drac | TinoW: now it's saying VFS: unable to open root=<NULL> (I have hd0,0 as ext3 /boot and / as xfs) I don't get it :P |
| 08:54.12 | Guerin | jerome: get a 2.5->3.5 inch ide drive converter and put that laptop drive in another box |
| 08:54.16 | Guerin | they're not expensive |
| 08:54.18 | drac | TinoW: If I change root to (hd0,1) to that xfs /, i can't find any kernels to go with it |
| 08:54.22 | jerome | CroatianNinja: actually, a whole bunch of windows error msg I don't even want to know about. I do backup the date if I can and she will install windows over and over again till she understands. |
| 08:54.24 | TinoW | drac: did you <tab> to your partition? |
| 08:54.30 | drac | yes |
| 08:54.50 | jerome | Guerin: I don't want to buy something like that if sysrescd has smbfs support |
| 08:54.56 | TinoW | drac: then root to your /boot :-) |
| 08:54.57 | jerome | I don't need* |
| 08:55.14 | drac | TinoW: Allready tried that, same error. |
| 08:55.17 | jerome | actaully, both dfs and sysrescd mirrors seem down |
| 08:55.23 | TinoW | drac: I dont know why these links are there. Make no sense for me |
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| 08:55.33 | drac | arg |
| 08:55.47 | tarzeau | is there an openoffice.org 1.1.3 or 1.1.4 for woody backport? |
| 08:55.52 | krisskiller | sorry :) does someone know an electronic simulator under debian ?? |
| 08:55.55 | TinoW | drac: I mean, make your /boot partition the root |
| 08:56.18 | mosty | tarzeau: check backports.org |
| 08:56.47 | tarzeau | mosty: i did and didn't see any 1.1.3 or 1.1.4 there |
| 08:56.47 | TinoW | drac: this root is different from kernel root :) |
| 08:56.53 | llama31 | directhex|work: it doesnt say anything about scsi in the grub config - im guessing its something the kernel loads by itself... how do i remove it? |
| 08:57.10 | sh0rt1 | ok tried pinging without the ppp interface up and still no good. What could stop one machine pinging the other. No firewalls direct connection |
| 08:57.21 | krisskiller | okay |
| 08:57.28 | drac | I did that, that would be root (hd0,0) and kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.11.6-hdr and ends up on that same error. |
| 08:57.46 | drac | used "boot" command to boot it, is that correct? |
| 08:57.47 | directhex|work | llama31, this is a regular ide cd writer, yeah? |
| 08:57.58 | llama31 | yeah d'hex |
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| 08:59.03 | directhex|work | then i have no idea what's forcing ide-scsi, but the device should be a regular hd* device, not scd* or sr* or swhatever |
| 09:00.02 | drac | Please append correct root= boot option?! wtf, I just did that. |
| 09:00.35 | drac | root (hd0,0) <enter> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.11.6-hdr <enter> boot <enter> |
| 09:01.01 | llama31 | i looked at the boot log, and it says its ide-scsi doing it, but "deprecated for cd burning - use ide-cd instead", so i dont know why its enabled by default (demudi) :| |
| 09:01.20 | directhex|work | !tell llama31 about debian solutions |
| 09:02.34 | directhex|work | drac, that's a grub root not a system root. and are you sure you compiled your kernel with everything non-initrdish it needs? |
| 09:03.04 | drac | yeah, I also had working 2.6.11.3 image and tried also with it. |
| 09:03.53 | directhex|work | llama31, your problem is caused by demudi, so if the debian solution you have doesn't apply, tough shit & fuck off |
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| 09:04.42 | directhex|work | drac, kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.11.6-hdr root=/foo/bar <enter> |
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| 09:04.58 | llama31 | directhex|work: understood, now i read the thing again i realise it meant "u can ask but if it doesnt work piss off", not "dont ask" :) |
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| 09:05.47 | jc-denton | nobody wants to ask my stupid question :P |
| 09:05.50 | jc-denton | err answer |
| 09:05.51 | jc-denton | :D |
| 09:06.30 | mosty | sh0rt1: what's the output of "iptables -L" ? |
| 09:06.41 | drac | directhex|work, TinoW: thank you! i must be stupid or something, all those 'roots' got me confused. |
| 09:07.08 | directhex|work | drac, that worked? |
| 09:07.10 | drac | yep |
| 09:07.48 | drac | thank god :P |
| 09:07.54 | directhex|work | good. |
| 09:08.26 | debian | how to sort a directory? |
| 09:08.34 | drac | wonder why dpkg is still doing that /dev/hdb thingie instead of /dev/hda on menu.lst after every kernel-image installation. is that defined somewhere? |
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| 09:09.18 | directhex|work | drac, yes, it is. as root, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, search for kopt |
| 09:09.22 | sh0rt1 | mosty, I havent even thought about messing with iptables directly, so I use guarddog frontend, will paste it and get back with guarddog disabled |
| 09:09.22 | llama31 | what's hdc1 likely to be in grub? hd1,0 doesnt work... the partitions i have are hda1/2/3 then hdc1 and i think hdb is my cd... in case any of that helps which it most likely doesnt... |
| 09:09.35 | directhex|work | drac, then run update-grub to make the change take effect on currently installed kernels |
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| 09:10.20 | drac | found it, nothing is defined now, it's commented out. so i should just uncomment it? |
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| 09:10.28 | drac | guess so.. |
| 09:10.41 | directhex|work | drac, no, it should be commented |
| 09:10.50 | directhex|work | drac, the comments are read by the update-grub script |
| 09:11.11 | drac | oh ok, cool. everything starting to clear up :) |
| 09:11.21 | directhex|work | drac, so double comments are actual comments, single comments are parameters used by update-grub but not by grub itself |
| 09:11.23 | sh0rt1 | mosty, http://rafb.net/paste/results/Yc6IbN42.html |
| 09:12.07 | directhex|work | e.g. kopt, which is appended to all 'kernel' lines |
| 09:12.37 | mosty | sh0rt1: that's with the firewall running, what about with the firewall off? |
| 09:12.39 | drac | heh, just noticed.. ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM in the menu.lst :-P |
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| 09:13.17 | sh0rt1 | mosty, sorry, one sec |
| 09:14.02 | vonguard | hey, what permissions would allow access to a page within a directory, but not access to see the listed view of that directory |
| 09:14.03 | drac | and 'kopt' worked, tried it with removing old kernel-image. |
| 09:14.11 | jc-denton | how can i configure cron, so that it logs errors to /var/log/cron instead of mailing them? |
| 09:14.17 | jc-denton | i already read the manpage |
| 09:14.24 | mosty | vonguard: execute but not read permissions on the dir |
| 09:14.31 | jc-denton | but i think i didn't understand it |
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| 09:14.51 | jc-denton | there is only a variable for the email address |
| 09:15.16 | vonguard | hmmmm |
| 09:15.25 | vonguard | mosty: so 1 right? |
| 09:15.50 | mosty | vonguard: yes |
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| 09:16.51 | sh0rt1 | mosty, http://rafb.net/paste/results/ksS30c42.html |
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| 09:17.23 | directhex|work | jc-denton, man syslog.conf |
| 09:17.35 | vonguard | thanks mosty |
| 09:18.02 | jc-denton | directhex|work: i enabled cron in syslog.conf |
| 09:18.08 | jc-denton | but it still sends mails |
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| 09:18.54 | directhex|work | jc-denton, restart syslogd, and set a null email address in the cron config? |
| 09:19.03 | directhex|work | and restart the cron daemon too |
| 09:19.19 | jc-denton | then i still get the output of cron? |
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| 09:19.24 | zaeb | how do i mount extended/logical NTFS partition |
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| 09:19.59 | jc-denton | where is the cron config? |
| 09:20.13 | directhex|work | jc-denton, buggered if i know |
| 09:20.23 | directhex|work | zaeb, erm... mount /dev/foo /mnt/bar |
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| 09:21.01 | llama31 | how much space will the kernel source + any temp files during building take up? |
| 09:21.05 | jc-denton | directhex|work: there isn't one i think |
| 09:21.14 | nevyn | cron ALWAYS emails the output of the job. |
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| 09:21.20 | nevyn | as does at |
| 09:21.21 | tarzeau | jc-denton: lol |
| 09:22.07 | zaeb | mount -t ntsf /dev/hda5 /mnt/bar |
| 09:22.11 | zaeb | mount -t ntsf /dev/hda5 /mnt/bar doesn't work |
| 09:22.16 | nevyn | jc-denton: hrm I think there's a way to specify in crontab not to mail tho |
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| 09:22.34 | michal_ | !last pipeline |
| 09:22.39 | drac | !ops SouL is on join spam bot. |
| 09:22.41 | skrald | Why am I getteing spammed here? (A channel, "Soul", just opened and presented "Free Porn Videos") from the user Soul. |
| 09:22.41 | jc-denton | yes the MAILTO variable |
| 09:22.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SouL is on join spam bot. |
| 09:22.48 | michal_ | or is it !seen? |
| 09:23.01 | jc-denton | but isnt there a good alternative to the normal cron |
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| 09:23.38 | tarzeau | jc-denton: screen |
| 09:23.50 | michal_ | nevyn: sure but you can get around that by not having output |
| 09:23.50 | zaeb | mount -t ntsf /dev/hda5 /mnt/bar doesn't work; how do i fix this |
| 09:23.51 | tarzeau | jc-denton: can be started in a startup script and use sleep |
| 09:23.53 | jc-denton | lol |
| 09:24.08 | tarzeau | jc-denton: i was serious |
| 09:24.21 | zaeb | mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 works |
| 09:24.24 | zaeb | mount -t ntsf /dev/hda5 /mnt/bar doesn't work; how do i fix this |
| 09:24.25 | tarzeau | jc-denton: with screen you can later attach and give input. with cron you can't |
| 09:24.39 | drac | zaeb: ntfs, not ntsf |
| 09:24.41 | nevyn | michal_: but if you want output to go to a log.. bleh hacking it with a redirect is nasty |
| 09:24.42 | directhex|work | zaeb, you mount onto a pre-existing empty folder anywhere on a system |
| 09:24.46 | directhex|work | !foo |
| 09:24.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food, or ask me about 'Mr. T' |
| 09:24.49 | directhex|work | !bar |
| 09:24.49 | dpkg | bar is, like, a metasyntactic variable in cahoots with foo, baz, and boo. |
| 09:24.53 | michal_ | navyn: why is it nasty? |
| 09:24.53 | zaeb | directhex i know that |
| 09:24.56 | nevyn | I'd much rather cron logged to ~/scheduledjobs |
| 09:24.59 | nevyn | than mail me. |
| 09:25.06 | nevyn | then I could get rid of the mta on my box. |
| 09:25.31 | directhex|work | zaeb, what error output are you getting? |
| 09:25.47 | zaeb | directhex it says "wrong fs type or wrong option" |
| 09:26.03 | TinoW | zaeb: just a typo. Compare the lines. |
| 09:26.03 | directhex|work | well ntsf is a typo, evidently |
| 09:26.31 | zaeb | mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/bar doesn't work; how do i fix this |
| 09:27.06 | directhex|work | are you sure hda5 is the correct device and partiton type? |
| 09:27.11 | TinoW | zaeb: |
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| 09:27.17 | TinoW | err ;) |
| 09:27.21 | nevyn | michal_: there's a better solution than piping everything to null is to set MAILTO="" at the start of the crontab. |
| 09:27.25 | zaeb | directhex yes |
| 09:27.50 | nevyn | michal_: it's inelegant. it doesn't deal with contention. |
| 09:27.53 | zaeb | directhex hda1 primary ntfs partition; and hda5 is extended/logical ntfs partition |
| 09:28.06 | nevyn | michal_: if I want to log all jobs to ~/scheduledjobs |
| 09:28.19 | directhex|work | zaeb, and "fdisk -l" agrees with this? |
| 09:28.23 | skrald | Where do I get acrobat reader 7 as debian package? |
| 09:28.26 | zaeb | directhex yes |
| 09:28.26 | nevyn | and I just put > ~/scheduledjobs at the end of all cron commandlines that's going to cause badness. |
| 09:28.33 | tarzeau | skrald: you don't |
| 09:28.35 | TinoW | zaeb: cfdisk /dev/hda and see if it shows that partition type you think. Then see /proc/filesystems if it lists that. And then mount without -t should do as well |
| 09:28.42 | tarzeau | skrald: you mean adobe reader 7 beta |
| 09:28.43 | jc-denton | i'll try fcron |
| 09:29.19 | TinoW | zaeb: maybe the filesystem is corrupt |
| 09:29.21 | directhex|work | skrald, phone adobe & ask them, it's non-free software so it's down to their licensing to allow repackaging |
| 09:29.27 | TinoW | zaeb: or encrypted |
| 09:29.32 | FlimFlamMan | something i've always thought odd is why screen saver selection is placed in the "advanced" menu in gnome.... |
| 09:29.42 | zaeb | TinoW it's not; it works fine with windows |
| 09:30.07 | TinoW | zaeb: what kind of windows? |
| 09:30.18 | zaeb | winxp |
| 09:30.27 | directhex|work | zaeb, which version of debian? uname -r |
| 09:30.36 | jc-denton | humm |
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| 09:30.46 | jc-denton | i still need cron when i have fcron? |
| 09:30.47 | zaeb | 2.4.24 |
| 09:31.00 | directhex|work | FlimFlamMan, ask on irc.gimp.org, they're sure to have a snappy response |
| 09:31.10 | TinoW | zaeb: maybe it works better with a later kernel |
| 09:31.18 | TinoW | zaeb: NTFS is a moving target |
| 09:31.27 | directhex|work | zaeb, did you compile your kernel with everything correctly enabled? mounting ntfs under all conditions is fine on the debian kernels i use |
| 09:31.52 | TinoW | directhex: if I understand correctly, one NTFS partition does and the other does not |
| 09:32.11 | zaeb | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, or too many mounted file systems |
| 09:32.21 | zaeb | i get this error |
| 09:32.22 | directhex|work | TinoW, buggered if i know, isn't 2.4.24 horrifically insecure anyway? |
| 09:32.40 | TinoW | directhex: hm. just like 2.6.11 you mean? ;) |
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| 09:33.04 | directhex|work | TinoW, i thought that was just undecided, not noticed any major advisories |
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| 09:35.15 | llama31 | can anyone say approx how big the most recent apt-gettable kernel source is once extracted? |
| 09:35.54 | doleyb | llama31: they are around 20+ meg |
| 09:35.56 | poonj | hey guys, is possible to make an exact copy of the ext2 HD to another HD like norton ghost can do? |
| 09:36.09 | llama31 | doleyb: the .gz is 35mb... |
| 09:36.23 | poonj | is there software that can image a HD and transfer it to another HD? |
| 09:36.36 | doleyb | poonj: there is dd |
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| 09:36.55 | poonj | so if I dd my hda drive to another drive |
| 09:36.58 | poonj | it should be okay? |
| 09:36.59 | llama31 | poonj: i think qtparted or gparted can do it user friendly |
| 09:37.28 | poonj | llama31: would dd work okay? |
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| 09:37.36 | zaeb | what distro makes livd-cds |
| 09:37.38 | drac | !ops Please remove SouL, spamming on join. Bot. |
| 09:37.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Please remove SouL, spamming on join. Bot. |
| 09:37.42 | doleyb | dd is commandline, and a little hard to use, you'll need to read instructyions careful |
| 09:38.01 | Nwallins_ | SouL is /msg spamming |
| 09:38.04 | llama31 | poonj: you'd pro'lly have to use fdisk or something to make another partition exactly the same... i dont know really. qtparted should do it though, or gparted (google them) |
| 09:38.25 | poonj | llama31: this jsut one straight partition for this DH |
| 09:38.31 | poonj | I'll look into it |
| 09:38.32 | poonj | thanks! |
| 09:38.34 | directhex|work | llama31, 35mb compressed, 217mb extracted |
| 09:38.48 | directhex|work | 217M kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 09:39.19 | llama31 | directhex|work: shite! i have less free HD than that :| thanks for saying before i donwloaded it over my slow dialup :) |
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| 09:40.25 | Zeit|idle | 11:32:SouL: http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 09:41.18 | doleyb | llama31: it'll take twice that if you compile |
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| 09:41.40 | HayArms | Hi Hi all |
| 09:41.57 | directhex|work | there are no ops awake. put up with the porno. |
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| 09:42.42 | HayArms | Someone uses here the debian package for DRI from dri.freedesktop.org? |
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| 09:43.08 | HayArms | After installing it on my debian sid DGA stops working |
| 09:43.20 | HayArms | Before = all ok |
| 09:43.21 | t0ffel | SouL is spamming porn msgs on join |
| 09:43.32 | HayArms | After = reset of XWindow |
| 09:43.50 | raghu | www.hammockholidays.com...........is it working please urgnt?? |
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| 09:46.04 | t0ffel | I followed a guide to installing the nvidia drivers a while back, but I can't find it again. Thought I had the url. I think you had to download and extract something in /usr/src , and run make(?), and it would automatically download the latest drivers and create a .deb. Anyone know where to find the guide I'm thinking about? |
| 09:46.27 | drac | t0ffel: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 09:46.34 | ledet | t0ffel: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 09:47.54 | t0ffel | ok, thanks |
| 09:48.24 | EvanCarroll | raghu: looks like shit |
| 09:48.47 | raghu | EvanCarroll: what? |
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| 09:49.26 | EvanCarroll | ie the web site 'works' i suppose, it has broken pictures the javascript sucks the page layout is crappy and it hardly renders in mozilla |
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| 09:50.30 | ledet | EvanCarroll: i agree |
| 09:51.16 | jinty | btw, SouL is an on-join spammer |
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| 09:51.32 | Guerin | !ops SouL is an onjoin spammer |
| 09:51.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SouL is an onjoin spammer |
| 09:51.34 | raghu | EvanCarroll: it is asp site |
| 09:51.44 | EvanCarroll | ... learn perl |
| 09:51.47 | EvanCarroll | use mason |
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| 09:52.29 | foureyes779 | heh |
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| 09:53.07 | Petrov_BE | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ -> must I all these cd's download??? |
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| 09:53.17 | gravity | Petrov_BE: No |
| 09:53.26 | doleyb | Petrov_BE: no! only the first few. You can download 1 cd, even. |
| 09:53.27 | sean_micken | is there a way to list all the packages that depend on a given package? |
| 09:53.27 | HayArms | Someone uses here the debian package for DRI from dri.freedesktop.org? |
| 09:53.38 | omnistegan | o you might want to know, the guys SouL in this channel is a spam bot |
| 09:53.53 | Guerin | omnistegan: we know |
| 09:53.55 | gravity | omnistegan: The ops have been informed, but they seem to be asleep or busy |
| 09:53.56 | simonrvn | omnistegan: /topic |
| 09:54.12 | Petrov_BE | oké thx, but what is the other cd's? |
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| 09:54.19 | ranix | How do I mount a Compact Flash card connected to my box via a USB adapter? |
| 09:54.36 | omnistegan | anyways I was wondering how to install a .deb i alreay have on my harddrive, sorry i'm new to deb |
| 09:54.51 | simonrvn | man dpkg. dpkg -i |
| 09:54.55 | gravity | Petrov_BE: Software, but you can download only the apps you need when you install and save yourself both time and bandwidth |
| 09:55.07 | gravity | Petrov_BE: That's the beauty of Debian (or one of the beauties) |
| 09:55.31 | ranix | How do I mount a Compact Flash card connected to my box via a USB adapter? |
| 09:55.36 | Petrov_BE | gravity : apt-configuration? |
| 09:55.41 | imachine | excuse me. |
| 09:55.42 | t0ffel | I came back after easter, and found X wouldn't start. Gave me an "API mismatch" error, which is now replaced by a "No core pointer device specified" error after trying to reinstall nvidia drivers. Any ideas? By the way, neither of the methods mentioned above is the one I used originally. |
| 09:55.43 | imachine | question. |
| 09:55.55 | simonrvn | answer. |
| 09:55.58 | imachine | where can i find a list of installed packages on my debian system? |
| 09:55.59 | gravity | Petrov_BE: Huh? |
| 09:56.05 | EvanCarroll | imachine: dpkg -l |
| 09:56.09 | imachine | thanks. |
| 09:56.16 | ranix | t0ffel, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 yet? |
| 09:56.19 | littlesnow | or you can use synaptic |
| 09:56.26 | gravity | t0ffel: #nvidia |
| 09:56.29 | t0ffel | ranix: tried that last night |
| 09:56.35 | Petrov_BE | gravity : thx |
| 09:56.39 | ranix | did you specify the correct mouse input device? |
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| 09:56.44 | doleyb | ranix: someone else can tell you a better way, probably, but i'd try "su;mkdir /mnt/cf;mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/cf". or sometyhing like that. |
| 09:56.45 | gravity | t0ffel: If you're talking about the proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 09:56.52 | imachine | EvanCarroll: and how can i check what all packages are there available in debian pool? |
| 09:56.53 | ranix | i.e. /dev/psaux for a ps2 mouse |
| 09:56.59 | simonrvn | don't run synaptic on an ancient toshiba craptop with 48 MB RAM running gnome... |
| 09:57.11 | FlimFlamMan | it seems i lose the numeric keypad on my keyboard. any ideas what the problem might be? i'm using gnome on debian-testing |
| 09:57.11 | EvanCarroll | add source and apt-cache search? |
| 09:57.18 | littlesnow | still you can use synatic |
| 09:57.20 | simonrvn | o>_<o |
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| 09:57.27 | imachine | EvanCarroll: i mainly was aiming for xorg 6.8.2 with savage dri and winex packages. |
| 09:57.33 | simonrvn | (cross-eyed) |
| 09:57.47 | EvanCarroll | imachine: ... no strict debian repos has xorg |
| 09:57.56 | imachine | EvanCarroll: oh. |
| 09:58.03 | imachine | EvanCarroll: i run sarge 3.1 |
| 09:58.11 | littlesnow | who can give me a source.list of xorg? |
| 09:58.24 | imachine | EvanCarroll: does that change anything? |
| 09:58.28 | gravity | littlesnow: /topic |
| 09:58.29 | Guerin | !topicbadger littlesnow |
| 09:58.29 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that littlesnow didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 09:58.32 | imachine | EvanCarroll: its my first attempt at debian. seems nice. |
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| 09:58.44 | imachine | perhaphs there is some nice handbook for debian. |
| 09:58.49 | EvanCarroll | imachine: so your running stable, or woody? |
| 09:58.50 | Ragan | Please ban SouL |
| 09:58.50 | ranix | someone hook me up with a tidbit. How do I mount my USB hard disk? |
| 09:58.51 | imachine | kind of, bsd wise? |
| 09:58.58 | zaeb | how do i join here using webchat |
| 09:59.00 | imachine | EvanCarroll: i am running unstable i think. |
| 09:59.04 | imachine | EvanCarroll: the sarge cd. |
| 09:59.06 | jan3z | cao |
| 09:59.08 | doleyb | ranix: did you try mine? |
| 09:59.15 | EvanCarroll | unstable is sid, testing is sarge |
| 09:59.20 | ranix | sorry doleyb, didn't see your message |
| 09:59.23 | imachine | EvanCarroll: i have no idea. oh. then i run testing. |
| 09:59.26 | EvanCarroll | imachine: You can try to install xorg it isn't supported though |
| 09:59.26 | imachine | its a snapshot. |
| 09:59.33 | EvanCarroll | !tell imachine about get xorg |
| 09:59.34 | doleyb | ranix: "su;mkdir /mnt/cf;mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/cf" |
| 09:59.34 | littlesnow | Oh,I am sorry.I am a newcomer of IRC |
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| 09:59.46 | doleyb | ranix: that depends on you knowing that the thing is /dev/sda, or whatever it really is. |
| 09:59.51 | imachine | oh yeah, EvanCarroll ive checked that. |
| 09:59.52 | imachine | cool. |
| 09:59.58 | ranix | yeah, I am trying to figure out what it is |
| 09:59.59 | imachine | so im on the right track i guess. |
| 10:00.11 | ranix | I'm used to bsd, so I was trying to mount /dev/wd0 |
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| 10:00.29 | imachine | ranix: you also come from the bsd world? |
| 10:00.32 | SammyTheSnake | I set the X11Forwarding option to yes, but I don't get a set $DISPLAY :( |
| 10:00.38 | peterS | SammyTheSnake: make sure 'xbase-clients' is installed at *both* ends, then use 'ssh -X' |
| 10:00.38 | imachine | ranix: may i ask how come? what makes you interested in debian? |
| 10:01.10 | ranix | imachine, actually, I am doing something bass ackwards |
| 10:01.12 | doleyb | ranix: just poke around, run fdisk on /dev/sda, sdb, sdc, see which one it looks like. then do that mount command. |
| 10:01.14 | SammyTheSnake | peterS: xbase-clients, isn't that a dependency of just about any X programs? |
| 10:01.28 | doleyb | ranix: although I suspect there is a debian package you could get to mount it automatically, or at least more easily. |
| 10:01.45 | imachine | btw. |
| 10:01.58 | ranix | imachine, I'm trying to install netbsd on an NEC MobilePro 780, but I have no network card for it. So, I'm trying to put the distro on my 256mb compactFlash card via my linux box |
| 10:02.03 | peterS | jvng: the lines " etc." and " class." shouldn't be indented. they won't word-wrap to the previous lines |
| 10:02.05 | imachine | how can i update my world/kernel to the latest stable development release tree? |
| 10:02.08 | imachine | is that possible? |
| 10:02.14 | peterS | jvng: sorry, mistyped |
| 10:02.20 | ranix | because, obviously, windows won't mount netbsd partitions for me |
| 10:02.26 | ranix | doleyb, thanks for the help |
| 10:02.29 | imachine | ranix: nec monile pro? laptop? |
| 10:02.32 | imachine | isee. |
| 10:02.38 | ranix | it's a mips handheld pc |
| 10:02.54 | ranix | it will be great when I get winCE off it |
| 10:03.03 | imachine | didnt know netbsd could do that. only checked the vax and x86 ports. |
| 10:03.18 | ranix | well, from my experiences so far, it can't do that |
| 10:03.19 | ranix | = |
| 10:03.20 | SammyTheSnake | peterS: I double checked, xbase-clients is up-to-date on both ends, I connected with ssh -X blah.com and I still get $DISPLAY = blank :( |
| 10:03.26 | ranix | =\ |
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| 10:03.39 | imachine | pity |
| 10:03.39 | omnistegan | hey guys, is it at all possible to get the libdivxdecore or libdivxencore deb packages? |
| 10:03.39 | imachine | ;] |
| 10:03.50 | rixth | !ops please remove SouL for msging me porn links |
| 10:03.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please remove SouL for msging me porn links |
| 10:03.56 | imachine | oh yeah im gonn get that too. |
| 10:03.58 | imachine | mplayer. |
| 10:03.59 | imachine | brb. |
| 10:04.18 | Ragan | !ops please remove SouL for msging me porn links |
| 10:04.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please remove SouL for msging me porn links |
| 10:04.32 | Guerin | fuck's sakes, don't bother |
| 10:04.40 | doleyb | ranix: to know which device it is (/dev/sdb or whatever), plug in the usb, then look at the bottom of /var/log/messages |
| 10:04.54 | Ragan | Guerin, mind your own shit, thanks |
| 10:04.57 | Guerin | read the fucking topic for a cure for those spambots |
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| 10:05.03 | rixth | Whats an application I can use to filter/remoev lines that include a specific string? |
| 10:05.05 | Guerin | Ragan: i am; you are not. Please do. |
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| 10:05.21 | jm_ | rixth: any text editor |
| 10:05.24 | Guerin | rixth: grep |
| 10:05.25 | doleyb | rixth: you mean like grep? use grep or grep -v |
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| 10:06.07 | rixth | Ok, I have a 3mb Apache logfile (it's mostly my development php server) I need something to remove all lines with 127.0.0.1 in them |
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| 10:06.21 | doleyb | rixth: grep -v 127.0.0.1 file.txt |
| 10:06.53 | doleyb | rixth: add "> newfilename.txt" if you want the output saved, instead of shown |
| 10:07.30 | imachine | is there an debian-ontopic channel> |
| 10:07.31 | imachine | ? |
| 10:07.33 | imachine | ;) |
| 10:07.39 | Guerin | imachine: this is it. |
| 10:07.44 | imachine | unlikely. |
| 10:07.46 | imachine | oh. |
| 10:07.47 | imachine | ;] |
| 10:07.49 | Guerin | !tell imachine about enter |
| 10:07.59 | SammyTheSnake | is there a #ssh channel somewhere? |
| 10:08.04 | imachine | thanks about the pm. |
| 10:08.06 | Stereo | SammyTheSnake: just ask here |
| 10:08.11 | imachine | you could do a notice :) |
| 10:08.12 | Petrov_BE | what is the code for apt-configuration, i doesn't work :s |
| 10:08.15 | Ragan | ffs |
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| 10:08.33 | Guerin | Petrov_BE: what kind of apt configuration? |
| 10:08.34 | omnistegan | imachine: you have any clue about where to get the libdivxdecore0 package? |
| 10:08.53 | imachine | omnistegan: do i bother you? |
| 10:09.00 | imachine | no. dont bother me either. |
| 10:09.34 | Petrov_BE | guerin : netinst? |
| 10:09.46 | Guerin | !wayttd Petrov_BE |
| 10:09.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Petrov_BE? |
| 10:09.55 | doleyb | Petrov_BE: you will have to be much more specific about when & how it fails. |
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| 10:10.38 | rixth | doleyb, thanks! |
| 10:10.51 | SammyTheSnake | stereo: I'm trying to get X11 forwarding to work. Two debian machines. I'm using the ssh connection now, so I knowthat works fine, but I don't get a set $DISPLAY even when I use -X or "X11Forwarding yes" :( |
| 10:10.57 | *** part/#debian dondelelcaro (~don@archimedes.ucr.edu) |
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| 10:11.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 10:11.05 | *** part/#debian SouL (~Microsoft@213.197.129.54) |
| 10:11.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 10:11.09 | Guerin | SammyTheSnake: not or - you need them both |
| 10:11.14 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 10:11.20 | mosty | sammythesnake: usually that means the remote machine doesn't have xauth |
| 10:11.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@213.197.129.54] by dondelelcaro |
| 10:11.23 | simonrvn | @dondelelcaro++ |
| 10:11.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 10:12.33 | drac | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 10:12.38 | St0n3-C0l | How do I add Menu in XFCE4 ? |
| 10:12.54 | ranix | can someone help me decipher the usb loading message in my /var/log/messages to figure out what device my USB storage card is? |
| 10:12.56 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: right-click on the panel |
| 10:12.56 | Stereo | SammyTheSnake: are you running the ssh from an xterm? |
| 10:13.12 | dondelelcaro | drac: np |
| 10:13.28 | Guerin | ranix: sudo fdisk -l |
| 10:13.30 | St0n3-C0l | Desktop Menu disabled |
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| 10:14.05 | ranix | fdisk -l does nothing |
| 10:14.34 | rixth | grep -v /apache/logs/access_log_300305 > /home/rixth/Desktop/processlog thats been going a while now, how long should it take? |
| 10:14.47 | Cuy | will wget -O - http://www.google.com simply hit the site but not save it |
| 10:14.50 | doleyb | ranix: come to #flood, and I will show you my usb loading message |
| 10:14.53 | ranix | alright |
| 10:14.57 | mathieu_ | rixth, forever |
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| 10:15.01 | Guerin | ranix: as root, it should show all available block devices |
| 10:15.02 | Petrov_BE | debian gnu/linux comes with absoltely nowarranty, to the extent permitted by aplicable law jan@jan:~$ what i must to do???? |
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| 10:15.09 | Guerin | ranix: as user, it won't do anything |
| 10:15.19 | ranix | as root it does a carriage return |
| 10:15.22 | Guerin | Petrov_BE: what do you want to do? |
| 10:15.29 | rixth | mathieu_, seriously, I got no HDD action. |
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| 10:15.47 | Guerin | ranix: ok. what does messages say? |
| 10:15.47 | mathieu_ | rixth, the command is waiting for input... it's not doing anything |
| 10:16.02 | St0n3-C0l | Guerin: what bout creating Icons on the Desktop ? |
| 10:16.02 | mathieu_ | rixth, read the man page on how to use grep |
| 10:16.08 | lestest | hi there ... how do I specify a network to route -net command? |
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| 10:16.17 | rixth | Ah yes. I forgot to enter the string, duh. |
| 10:16.28 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: xfce4 doesn't have icons-on-the-desktopitis |
| 10:16.35 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: not by default, anyway |
| 10:16.40 | simonrvn | hehe. i still do that sometimes |
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| 10:17.16 | St0n3-C0l | Not by default but can we create it ? |
| 10:17.20 | directhex|work | not ever, in 4.2 or less |
| 10:17.28 | directhex|work | xfdesktop doesn't do desktop icons |
| 10:17.41 | St0n3-C0l | hmm |
| 10:17.48 | directhex|work | xfdesktop 4.4 will, so wait, or use a different desktop (nautilus or rox) |
| 10:17.57 | Guerin | you can use nautilus to have an ugly gnome-like desktop |
| 10:18.10 | St0n3-C0l | nautilus in XFCE ? |
| 10:18.13 | rixth | With grep, how do I specify TWO strings to filter? 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 |
| 10:18.14 | jetx | yes |
| 10:18.14 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:18.16 | directhex|work | yes |
| 10:18.19 | St0n3-C0l | how ?? |
| 10:18.21 | Guerin | ranix: man grep |
| 10:18.23 | jetx | type it |
| 10:18.30 | Guerin | ehh |
| 10:18.34 | Guerin | rixth: man grep |
| 10:18.34 | ranix | Guerin don't be a jerk |
| 10:18.35 | St0n3-C0l | 1st time using XFCE4 eh :P |
| 10:18.41 | imachine | man i love debian's apt-get. |
| 10:18.41 | jetx | run it |
| 10:18.43 | ranix | oh that wasn't for me |
| 10:18.44 | ranix | lol |
| 10:18.45 | ranix | sorry |
| 10:18.46 | Guerin | ranix: that wasn't for you |
| 10:18.47 | St0n3-C0l | I am Gnome user |
| 10:18.50 | Guerin | :) |
| 10:18.51 | rixth | imachine, who doesn't ^_^ |
| 10:18.52 | imachine | ultra cool. |
| 10:18.54 | EvanCarroll | rixth: -or |
| 10:19.02 | rixth | EvanCarroll, thank you |
| 10:19.06 | St0n3-C0l | imachine: mee too ;p but we can't have s*x with it :> |
| 10:19.15 | simonrvn | thank goddess |
| 10:19.20 | imachine | so far i can say, debian seems to appear like a linux well done. |
| 10:19.24 | imachine | finally? |
| 10:19.24 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
| 10:19.24 | imachine | :] |
| 10:19.34 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: well, if you can't spell it, I doubt you're old enough to have it |
| 10:19.41 | imachine | lol. |
| 10:19.46 | simonrvn | heh |
| 10:19.58 | graytron_ | Guerin: man irssi to see how irssi nick-completion works ;) |
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| 10:19.59 | imachine | now that made me laugh. |
| 10:20.01 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
| 10:20.01 | imachine | indeed ;] |
| 10:20.02 | imachine | :D |
| 10:20.03 | Petrov_BE | guerin : what i will do? I test debian because it is the first time that I work with linux and i want install everything |
| 10:20.09 | directhex|work | St0n3-C0l, you using the xfce4 session manager? hit alt-f2, killall xfdesktop, alt-f2, nautilus -n, save session |
| 10:20.25 | jetx | !dselect |
| 10:20.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 10:20.26 | simonrvn | graytron_: wrong manual, it's man tab |
| 10:20.38 | graytron_ | simonrvn: oh what a shame |
| 10:20.42 | St0n3-C0l | Yep |
| 10:20.43 | Guerin | graytron_: fair comment :) |
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| 10:20.57 | Guerin | Petrov_BE: type 'aptitude' |
| 10:21.09 | jetx | dselect is your god |
| 10:21.10 | directhex|work | if nautilus doesn't come up again on next login, run it from a ~/Desktop/Autostart/foo script |
| 10:21.28 | rixth | EvanCarroll, thats not even a valid switch =/ |
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| 10:21.46 | simonrvn | and aptitude its sidekick |
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| 10:22.01 | Petrov_BE | guerin : type 'aptitude'? |
| 10:22.04 | St0n3-C0l | durecthex: Don't you think running GNOME is much more better option ? |
| 10:22.08 | Guerin | Petrov_BE: and then hit enter |
| 10:22.13 | EvanCarroll | rixth: yea i just noticed that -or works on find i bleieve, try \| |
| 10:22.13 | jetx | yes |
| 10:22.13 | simonrvn | St0n3-C0l: no |
| 10:22.16 | graytron_ | nonix4: a bug? |
| 10:22.24 | EvanCarroll | rixth: to grep for foo, or bar, i believe 'foo\|bar' |
| 10:22.32 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
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| 10:22.34 | EvanCarroll | or rgrep 'foo|bar' |
| 10:22.36 | Guerin | grep 'foo|bar' |
| 10:22.36 | Petrov_BE | guerin : thx |
| 10:22.43 | Guerin | egrep, I mean |
| 10:22.55 | jetx | you might run tasksel first |
| 10:22.58 | rixth | grep -v 127.0.0.1\| 192.168.0.2 /apache/logs/access_log_300305 > /home/rixth/Desktop/processlog *break* grep: 192.168.0.2: No such file or directory |
| 10:23.04 | St0n3-C0l | You get the whole Desktop leaving taskbar :P |
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| 10:23.17 | doleyb | rixth: you need some quotes around those first parts |
| 10:23.30 | EvanCarroll | yea egrep is extended rgrep is recursive not thinking |
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| 10:23.44 | jetx | St0n3-C0l: logging out may be a pain |
| 10:23.44 | SammyTheSnake | stereo: I've double-checked, xauth is on both ends, I still get the same result when I set X11Forwarding *and* use -X :( |
| 10:23.49 | Unskill3d | hi! how can i simply disable the ssh daemon service on my debian box ? |
| 10:24.03 | nonix4 | graytron: kind of smells like combination of "features" to me - freeing of things touching unused pages thus forcing them in memory, kernel having problems w/ near oom situations, etc... |
| 10:24.05 | jetx | touch /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
| 10:24.09 | drac | How would one make some kind of kernel-source.deb out of /usr/src/linux-2.6.11.6? |
| 10:24.14 | directhex|work | St0n3-C0l, why would i think that? i don't need or want desktop icons |
| 10:24.15 | zaeb | how do i mount NTFS partition with bigger than 4K cluster size |
| 10:24.28 | Unskill3d | jethro: u kiddin? |
| 10:24.34 | toresbe | www.picotux.com |
| 10:24.36 | jetx | can you mount one with a 4k? |
| 10:24.40 | zaeb | jetx yes |
| 10:24.44 | jetx | no i'm serious, but not jethro |
| 10:24.47 | zaeb | jetx or smaller |
| 10:24.57 | directhex|work | St0n3-C0l, plus, xfce-mcs-manager is much more lightweight than gnome-settings-daemon, xfce4-panel is lighter than gnome-panel, etc etc etc |
| 10:25.03 | rixth | Ok, I need to remove 192.168.0.2 and 127.0.0.1 from /apache/loga/access_log, wahts the command, I've tried -or, |, \| as sepeators and nothing worked |
| 10:25.04 | jetx | then i dunno zaeb if that's different |
| 10:25.12 | St0n3-C0l | directhex: eheh :P |
| 10:25.18 | jetx | Unskill3d: yes i'm serious |
| 10:25.19 | St0n3-C0l | anyways thanks :) |
| 10:25.19 | St0n3-C0l | brb |
| 10:25.31 | graytron | nonix4: ko |
| 10:25.36 | graytron | s/ko/ok/ |
| 10:25.59 | graytron | writing too long sentences increases the likelihood of typos. i'll use shorter ones from now on |
| 10:26.13 | Unskill3d | jetx: k thx |
| 10:26.18 | SammyTheSnake | graytron: shorter than two letters? |
| 10:26.22 | graytron | y |
| 10:26.22 | doleyb | rixth: grep -v 192.168.0.2 /apache/access_log|grep -v 127.0.0.1 > newfile.txt |
| 10:26.28 | edzilla | I got a problem with the nvidia X driver |
| 10:26.30 | nonix4 | graytron: try "k" instead if "ok" is too long for 'ya :-) |
| 10:26.34 | jetx | no you don't |
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| 10:26.37 | edzilla | my X server freezes after a while |
| 10:26.41 | Guerin | ffs |
| 10:26.56 | jetx | opengl screensavers when it locks? |
| 10:26.58 | rixth | doleyb, thanks |
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| 10:27.06 | Guerin | egrep -v '192.168.0.2|127.0.0.1' whateverfileyouwant |
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| 10:27.26 | Unskill3d | jetx: and how would u stop him while hes running? just kill it? |
| 10:27.36 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.41 | jetx | or sshd i forget |
| 10:27.44 | Unskill3d | ah k |
| 10:27.48 | zaeb | how do i mount NTFS partition with bigger than 4K cluster size |
| 10:28.00 | jetx | probably man mount |
| 10:28.05 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.23 | zaeb | jetx doesn't work |
| 10:28.30 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 10:28.30 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 10:28.56 | jetx | i dunno i can't read it for you in on winblows... which seems to have better i/o... |
| 10:28.57 | omnistegan | hey guys, I'm trying to install something and it says a depency isnt met, but i fixed the dependency, just not with the proper package, what can i do? |
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| 10:29.12 | EvanCarroll | rixth: egrep -v 192.168.0.2\|127.0.0.1 |
| 10:29.18 | Guerin | omnistegan: if you didn't use the proper package, you didn't fix the dependency |
| 10:29.18 | jm_ | omnistegan: you can stop doing whatever it is you're doing |
| 10:29.23 | ranix | hey guys, I'm trying to figure out o |
| 10:29.24 | drp | mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 mountpoint maybe |
| 10:29.25 | SammyTheSnake | jetx: can windows mount any non-windows filesystems? |
| 10:29.25 | ranix | blast |
| 10:29.28 | EvanCarroll | so as you would have it: |
| 10:29.31 | absence | how come dpkg lists packages that apt-get doesn't find? |
| 10:29.38 | jetx | SammyTheSnake: yeah if you pay somebody |
| 10:29.39 | EvanCarroll | rixth: egrep -v 192.168.0.2\|127.0.0.1 access.log > new_Access.log |
| 10:29.51 | rixth | grep -v 192.168.0.2 /apache/logs/access_log_300305|grep -v 127.0.0.1|grep -v x90 > /home/rixth/Desktop/log ++++++ there we go. also removes those annoying WebDav overflow exploiuts. |
| 10:29.53 | doleyb | absence: maybe you downloaded some debs for dpkg directly. |
| 10:30.09 | EvanCarroll | err Guerin already answered didn't see it at first |
| 10:30.10 | absence | doleyb, no it's old packages that used to be available, but aren't anymore |
| 10:30.10 | jetx | or can code |
| 10:30.17 | ranix | I'm trying to figure out how to mount my USB flash card. /var/log/messages doesn't show the device name. |
| 10:30.21 | tony | configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool ? any ideas i have the latest perl , perl modules.. |
| 10:30.33 | mosty | ranix: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 10:30.33 | jm_ | tony: apt-file is your friend |
| 10:30.35 | jetx | windows is my fax machine |
| 10:30.38 | Guerin | SammyTheSnake: i think there's an ext2/3 thing for windows |
| 10:30.41 | omnistegan | Guerin: I cant find the package anywhere, the package i needed was libdivxdecore0 but i installed the divx codecs from divx.com instead because there is nowhere to get libdivxcore0. any suggestions? |
| 10:30.44 | absence | doleyb, can i make them go away from dpkg's "memory"? |
| 10:30.53 | rixth | SammyTheSnake, exploreetx2 |
| 10:30.58 | ranix | mosty: attatched devices: none |
| 10:31.09 | absence | doleyb, i've tried --clear-avail and --forget-old-unavail, but neither works |
| 10:31.16 | mosty | ranix, you have scsi emulation in your kernel right? |
| 10:31.18 | Guerin | omnistegan: how do you know this provides the same files and versions? |
| 10:31.21 | jetx | Guerin: there's explore2fs, but there is direct fs r/w support if you pay some company for their program/whatever it was, i forget who |
| 10:31.29 | jm_ | or ext2ifs if you want it to show up as another drive |
| 10:31.33 | drp | #xchat |
| 10:31.34 | ranix | this is kernel 2.4.27 |
| 10:31.46 | drp | mistype sorry |
| 10:31.47 | rixth | SammyTheSnake, explore2fs.exe that lets you look at Linu partitions (and export files) frm within Windoze. |
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| 10:31.50 | Guerin | omnistegan: why do you need that package? what depends on it? |
| 10:31.57 | omnistegan | Guerin: mplayer |
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| 10:32.07 | Guerin | omnistegan: from which repository? |
| 10:32.12 | zaeb | how do i mount NTFS partition with bigger than 4K cluster size |
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| 10:32.15 | dsdvX | hi |
| 10:32.20 | jetx | rixth: supposedly the dev said there was experimental write/wip, but it faded out i guess |
| 10:32.21 | dsdvX | i just tried to compile a .cc |
| 10:32.30 | ranix | mosty: this is kernel 2.4.27 |
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| 10:32.31 | tony | jm_, ty but can you explain |
| 10:32.32 | dsdvX | all i get is a bunch of errors |
| 10:32.33 | omnistegan | Guerin: http://www.kcore.org/?menumain=4&menusub=0 |
| 10:32.37 | dsdvX | /tmp/ccv8wbLZ.o(.text+0x1b): In function `main': |
| 10:32.37 | dsdvX | : undefined reference to `std::cout' |
| 10:32.42 | Guerin | omnistegan: remove that package |
| 10:32.45 | jm_ | tony: explain what? |
| 10:32.45 | omnistegan | Guerin: its the only package i could find |
| 10:32.50 | doleyb | ranix: sounds like your usb modules aren't right. If you just need to load this one thing onto usb, suggest you get a livecd (knoppix or something) |
| 10:32.54 | dsdvX | gcc version: |
| 10:32.56 | omnistegan | Guerin: ok |
| 10:32.58 | Guerin | omnistegan: and uninstall whatever other shit you installed with it, including divx |
| 10:33.01 | dsdvX | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8) |
| 10:33.03 | jetx | http://www.google.com/linux?q=how+do+i+mount+NTFS+partition+with+bigger+than+4K+cluster+size&restrict=linux |
| 10:33.03 | Guerin | !tell omnistegan about marillat |
| 10:33.11 | tony | jm_, nm |
| 10:33.16 | ranix | doleyb, I have no idea what that is |
| 10:33.27 | Nprfrldr | could someone point me towards a good tutorial on how to compile and install a docking app, for fluxbox? |
| 10:33.31 | omnistegan | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:33.37 | dsdvX | can anybody help me? |
| 10:33.37 | Guerin | omnistegan: enjoy :) |
| 10:34.00 | doleyb | dsdvX: maybe ##c can help, or ##c++ or |
| 10:34.14 | mosty | ranix: that doesn't answer my question |
| 10:34.16 | gravity | Tutorial...? ./configure ; make ; make install |
| 10:34.22 | ranix | mosty, I have no clue |
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| 10:36.17 | dilch | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.22 | jetx | see if blocksize=blah will work |
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| 10:38.06 | St0n3-C0l | Back on GNOME ;) |
| 10:38.24 | St0n3-C0l | How u pronouce GNOME ?? G-NOME OR Gi-NOME |
| 10:38.38 | ranix | "nome" |
| 10:38.40 | St0n3-C0l | from where to get Aqua theme for Gnome |
| 10:38.42 | fooz | "crap" |
| 10:38.46 | St0n3-C0l | ranix: lol |
| 10:38.48 | jetx | gnome is ok |
| 10:38.50 | St0n3-C0l | fooz haha :P |
| 10:38.54 | St0n3-C0l | G-nome ?? |
| 10:38.54 | jetx | so is kde |
| 10:38.56 | t0ffel | do the kernel-headers and kernel-image packages have to be exact matches? I can only find 2.6.10-9 and 2.6.10-1 respectively |
| 10:39.03 | jetx | yes |
| 10:39.08 | dondelelcaro | St0n3-C0l: usually guh-nome. |
| 10:39.15 | St0n3-C0l | guh |
| 10:39.16 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
| 10:39.21 | jetx | but they're funny with those headers nowadays |
| 10:39.47 | jetx | apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` will function |
| 10:40.04 | dondelelcaro | St0n3-C0l: it's basically the same way you pronounce GNU (guh-new) |
| 10:40.25 | t0ffel | ok, thanks jetx |
| 10:40.40 | St0n3-C0l | dondelelcaro: yeah Correct :P |
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| 10:41.02 | St0n3-C0l | Anybody using Aqua theme here on GNOME ? |
| 10:41.16 | tarzeau | St0n3-C0l: nah. but i have the aqua theme for GNUstep |
| 10:41.19 | jetx | anybody died |
| 10:42.00 | St0n3-C0l | GNUstep whats this ? |
| 10:42.05 | St0n3-C0l | jetx: who :P |
| 10:42.12 | jetx | it's the new dance craze |
| 10:42.12 | tarzeau | St0n3-C0l: http://livecd.gnustep.org |
| 10:42.17 | SuperSox | I thought it was a silent G :o |
| 10:42.25 | tarzeau | St0n3-C0l: it's the cocoa in mac os x, but free software |
| 10:42.33 | SuperSox | As in garden gnome |
| 10:42.55 | jetx | i say nome like in the dictionary, no idea what the devs call it |
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| 10:43.22 | SuperSox | It's probably in a faq somewhere |
| 10:43.22 | jetx | irc.gimp.org #gnome |
| 10:44.04 | SuperSox | http://library.n0i.net/linux-unix/applications/x/gnome/faq/x104.html |
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| 10:44.52 | zaeb | how do i mount NTFS partition with bigger than 4K cluster size |
| 10:45.04 | jetx | did you try blocksize= ? |
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| 10:46.50 | Kzimm | hi |
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| 10:47.00 | dilch | hello |
| 10:47.27 | Kzimm | i burn a dvd with growisofs and i have /dev/cdrom: "Current Write Speed" is 8.2x1385KBps. but while it burn it's 345571328/3620597760 ( 9.5%) @2.2x, remaining 21:09 |
| 10:47.32 | dilch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:47.57 | dondelelcaro | dilch: uh, you've said that before. |
| 10:48.10 | dilch | dondelelcaro, i know, and i didn't get an answer |
| 10:48.18 | jm_ | surprise surprise |
| 10:48.37 | jetx | http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html |
| 10:48.43 | dondelelcaro | dilch: obviously, since what you're saying makes no sense. |
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| 10:48.50 | dilch | dondelelcaro, oh sorry |
| 10:49.10 | omnistegan | ok well I really do hate being an idiot but I got this error when I tried apt-get after adding marillat: "mga-vid-source - Kernel driver for the back-end scaler on Matrox cards (source) W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)" I double and triple checked what i adde |
| 10:49.10 | omnistegan | d, do I need to run a command after adding something to sources.list or something? |
| 10:49.19 | tarzeau | omnistegan: yes |
| 10:49.22 | dilch | dondelelcaro, i thought that is how you got information from the bot |
| 10:49.35 | dondelelcaro | dilch: you /msg dpkg foobarbaz; without the leading space. |
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| 10:49.49 | dilch | dondelelcaro, ah ok |
| 10:50.00 | dilch | dondelelcaro, you should have that somewhere do people know |
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| 10:50.17 | dilch | i joined #beef, #cheese, #lamb, #veal and #pork looking for the answer |
| 10:50.27 | jm_ | omnistegan: ignore the error about missing source packages list, you're fine as long as you want binary packages |
| 10:50.27 | omnistegan | tarzeau: care to tell me what it is? |
| 10:50.33 | tarzeau | omnistegan: apt-get update |
| 10:50.38 | omnistegan | thanks |
| 10:50.54 | dilch | many debian users into beef? |
| 10:51.01 | dilch | or is it mostly pork and chicken? |
| 10:51.04 | jetx | dpkg ntfs-faq is <reply> http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html |
| 10:51.04 | dpkg | okay, jetx |
| 10:51.17 | jetx | i prefer rattlesnake |
| 10:51.25 | nornagon | Hey. I'm running debian unstable and firefox 1.0.1 with libflashplayer. However, I don't get any sound with flash movies (I'm using alsa). When I run esd, I get only distorted and low-quality sound. What am I doing wrong? |
| 10:51.27 | dilch | you are a real go-getter |
| 10:51.29 | ||Thunder|| | mornin, folks.. anyone care to walk me through a video driver install? |
| 10:51.37 | dilch | i thought you'd say squid |
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| 10:51.48 | jetx | i love shark though |
| 10:51.49 | Kzimm | i burn a dvd with growisofs and i have /dev/cdrom: "Current Write Speed" is 8.2x1385KBps. but while it burn it's 345571328/3620597760 ( 9.5%) @2.2x, remaining 21:09 |
| 10:51.55 | nornagon | mm, squid |
| 10:52.01 | Guerin | dog |
| 10:52.11 | dilch | shark? no one likes shark ... that's what they sell with fish and chips here when they cheap out |
| 10:52.12 | Guerin | sea cucumber ain't bad either |
| 10:52.26 | dilch | sea cucumber is just another word for dildo |
| 10:52.32 | dilch | everyone knows that |
| 10:52.43 | Guerin | dildoes don't tend to taste like much other than latex |
| 10:52.50 | Guerin | not on the inside, at least |
| 10:52.55 | dilch | i'll take your word for it |
| 10:53.02 | dilch | you seem like you'd know |
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| 10:53.17 | dilch | why do you despise beef? |
| 10:53.22 | Guerin | i don't |
| 10:53.32 | dilch | goddamn, you love it! |
| 10:53.33 | jetx | where's the beef |
| 10:53.33 | Guerin | why do you despise sea cucumber? |
| 10:53.34 | fooz | mmmm beef |
| 10:53.49 | jetx | there is no beef |
| 10:53.52 | dilch | Guerin, its texture disgusts me |
| 10:54.05 | jetx | but you love the feel right? |
| 10:54.12 | dilch | who doesn't? |
| 10:54.14 | Guerin | dilch: because you can't handle the idea of eating something vaguely reminiscent of a penis |
| 10:54.27 | zaeb | what linux kernel version does knoppix 3.7 come with |
| 10:54.27 | dilch | Guerin, nah, i eat cock shaped foods all day long |
| 10:54.30 | jetx | he was abducted by martians |
| 10:54.41 | fooz | zaeb, this is #debian. go ask in #knoppix |
| 10:54.42 | jm_ | I doubt that, most people have no problems with sausages and stuff |
| 10:54.43 | Guerin | i'm not talking about shape, I'm talking about texture |
| 10:54.45 | directhex|work | zaeb, http://distrowatch.com/knoppix |
| 10:54.55 | jetx | you sure that's not supposed to be felch not dilch? |
| 10:54.59 | jetx | omg gross |
| 10:55.12 | jetx | do NOT google felch |
| 10:55.13 | dilch | Guerin, hmm so sea cucumber has the same texture as cock in the mouth? again i'll have to take your word for it |
| 10:55.16 | Guerin | omg high-school jokes |
| 10:55.27 | fooz | hah |
| 10:55.27 | Ronin | jetx: well thats just not something i need to see first thing in the morning |
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| 10:55.39 | dilch | no need to google felch .. if you don't know what felching is you have no business using debian |
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| 10:56.05 | jetx | i regret the day i googled felch |
| 10:56.40 | dilch | i regret the day i felched google :( |
| 10:56.51 | SuperSox | could have been worse, could have used images.google.com |
| 10:57.00 | fooz | so, how about them Padres? |
| 10:57.06 | jetx | ack gross |
| 10:57.18 | Guerin | fooz: heh, we have a similar conversation-change gag in NZ |
| 10:57.25 | Q-FUNK | are there any aggregated statistics of all debian mirrors that would show the "market share" of powerpc versus i386 and amd64? |
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| 10:57.30 | Guerin | no doubt derived from yours |
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| 10:57.38 | fooz | Guerin, what is it? |
| 10:58.12 | dilch | the padres rarely, if ever, felch |
| 10:58.12 | jetx | kick him |
| 10:58.12 | jetx | or me! |
| 10:58.12 | fooz | i guess it's sunday |
| 10:58.12 | dilch | fooz, but since you bring them up, it opens a whole new world of disgusting homosensual acts |
| 10:58.26 | Guerin | fooz: NZ lost the 2000 (?) rugby world cup to France. This was very shameful. Ever since, it's been "how about themall blacks?" |
| 10:58.35 | Ronin | uh homosensual? ahh so your into that are you dilch |
| 10:58.41 | dilch | never speak of the all blacks again |
| 10:58.44 | Guerin | since the NZ rugby team are called the All Blacks |
| 10:58.54 | dilch | wallabies or nothing |
| 10:59.03 | dilch | next! |
| 10:59.11 | Guerin | hah, that explains dilch ... he's an ocker |
| 10:59.11 | jetx | you do this a lot don't you |
| 10:59.24 | fooz | Guerin, well usually here you'd use whatever team you knew, especially if it was winning. but the padres are funny |
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| 10:59.51 | Guerin | fooz: why name your team after a bunch of old catholic men? |
| 10:59.53 | dilch | jetx, only whence i've partaken of the evil weed and i have to kill a few minutes |
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| 11:00.02 | fooz | Guerin, locals call em the Pedros |
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| 11:00.17 | jetx | heh it's what's his name |
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| 11:00.51 | ranix | doleyb, 2.6 kernel loads my USB drive perfectly |
| 11:00.59 | ranix | doleyb, you're a lifesaver man, thanks a lot |
| 11:01.03 | fooz | hrm, maybe that's old though. google doesn't know anything about Padres being Pedros |
| 11:01.19 | dilch | hey, the topic changed |
| 11:01.22 | dondelelcaro | dilch: information on how to use the bot is in the topic. |
| 11:01.24 | dilch | no reason to rant about the Padres |
| 11:01.28 | ranix | now I just have to steel myself for some BSD installing |
| 11:01.33 | dilch | dondelelcaro, ok thanks |
| 11:01.42 | Guerin | can someone explain to me why sport channels play so fucking much golf? |
| 11:01.44 | dilch | ranix, it's easy and oh-so-worth-it |
| 11:01.48 | fooz | Guerin, California's full of old missions. especially san diego |
| 11:01.58 | Guerin | and for bonus points, was there ever such a boring spectator sport? |
| 11:02.01 | Ronin | Guerin: helps with sleep disorders |
| 11:02.07 | Guerin | fooz: oh yeah, I've seen Vertigo :) |
| 11:02.13 | fooz | what's vertigo? |
| 11:02.13 | Guerin | Ronin: true that |
| 11:02.17 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yes, there are more boring spectator sports... |
| 11:02.19 | doleyb | ranix: yeah, 2.6 rocks |
| 11:02.19 | dilch | Guerin, you've never watched lawn bowls obviously |
| 11:02.27 | Guerin | fooz: a very famous movie by Hitch |
| 11:02.33 | jetx | alfred hitchcock movie |
| 11:02.35 | ranix | dilch, yeah, you ever tried getting a whole distribution of netbsd onto a 256mb flash card? |
| 11:02.40 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: sailing tends to be a fairly boring spectator sport unless you are intimately familiar with it |
| 11:02.42 | ranix | dilch, easy it is not |
| 11:02.49 | jm_ | or fishing ;) |
| 11:02.53 | mirak | is it possible to adjust the cache used for async mounting or is it kernel or fs module dependent ? |
| 11:02.58 | Guerin | lawn bowls, yeah. i don't mind darts and snooker, since they involve at least vague memories of a pub... |
| 11:03.01 | ranix | dilch, with no network card, I add |
| 11:03.05 | dilch | ranix, i've put an embedded netbsd system on a 64meg flash drive |
| 11:03.09 | dilch | ranix, does that count? |
| 11:03.15 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: true. but there is the race aspect of it... |
| 11:03.16 | fooz | NetBSD is small |
| 11:03.18 | ranix | dilch, oh, do you have any experience with netbsd-mips? |
| 11:03.27 | dilch | ranix, no |
| 11:03.30 | ranix | darn |
| 11:03.34 | dilch | ranix, but i'll cheer you on from the sidelines |
| 11:03.36 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, but most races take hours |
| 11:03.36 | fooz | if you want to shrink it, build it without profiled libs and stuff |
| 11:03.37 | ranix | haha thanks |
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| 11:03.51 | imachine | is there some kind of mplayer-plugin kind of thing for gstreamer and friends? |
| 11:03.58 | imachine | i use mplayer but cant find it in debian sarge packages. |
| 11:04.04 | imachine | so i have gstreamer and totem. |
| 11:04.10 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: oh, so I guess I only ever see the last 15 minutes |
| 11:04.14 | imachine | is there plugins for mozilla for those in debian packageS? |
| 11:04.15 | jm_ | imachine: /msg dpkgmplayer |
| 11:04.25 | jm_ | that's "dpkg mplayer" |
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| 11:05.04 | TinoW | ranix: I have debian on a 256 MB flash card :) |
| 11:05.06 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, that's pretty typical. Parts of it are very interesting... but a lot of it is just watching waiting for something interesting to happen, unless you can read the wind and read the tactical moves that are being made and planned out |
| 11:05.19 | Guerin | right |
| 11:05.21 | ranix | TinoW, I wish debian-mips was stable |
| 11:05.30 | ranix | would make this so much easier |
| 11:05.34 | TinoW | ranix: in this case its debian/arm |
| 11:05.36 | TinoW | :-) |
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| 11:06.50 | imachine | is there any cool games in debian packages? |
| 11:06.50 | imachine | i got pingus ;] |
| 11:06.50 | Guerin | imachine: apt-get install gnugo |
| 11:06.54 | directhex|work | imachine, neverball |
| 11:06.55 | Noldo | :) |
| 11:06.59 | directhex|work | imachine, quake2 |
| 11:07.00 | imachine | hm. |
| 11:07.03 | SuperSox | xpilot! |
| 11:07.06 | imachine | neverwinter nights not present? |
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| 11:07.15 | Noldo | apt-cache search game? |
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| 11:07.21 | imachine | not found. |
| 11:07.22 | imachine | ; |
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| 11:07.34 | fooz | imachine, xevil |
| 11:07.37 | directhex|work | imachine, no, i don't think bioware's license allows repackaging, and it requires the purchased game to function at all |
| 11:07.44 | fooz | imachine, don't play it if you're a sissy |
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| 11:07.52 | c459s | I have a directory that I have full ownership over (user+group), but I've granted my webserver to create some files there(group other). Now I want to delete this directory, but I cant because I dont have permission to delete the files that the webserver has created there. Can I fix this in any way? |
| 11:07.58 | dilch | what are the games for sissies then? |
| 11:08.00 | dilch | i need some |
| 11:08.09 | directhex|work | tuxracer! |
| 11:08.14 | dilch | ah ok |
| 11:08.14 | fooz | dilch, anything other than xevil |
| 11:08.18 | Guerin | dilch: frozen bubble is the ultimate sissy game |
| 11:08.20 | dilch | i wanna ride that penguin |
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| 11:08.23 | mosty | c459s: can you chmod the files? |
| 11:08.27 | imachine | directhex|work: it can ue distfiles? like in freebsd ? |
| 11:08.30 | fooz | frozen bubble is more manly than tuxracer |
| 11:08.32 | dilch | ok frozen bubble as well |
| 11:08.32 | St0n3-C0l | Please help me with tsocks ?? Last time 2months ago I did with ma eyes close and it worked |
| 11:08.39 | directhex|work | 1080 on gamecube you can ride a penguin. |
| 11:08.41 | c459s | mosty; I've tried chmod the files, but I get permission denied :/ |
| 11:08.51 | mosty | c459s: make the webserver chmod the files |
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| 11:09.02 | dilch | this is getting so confusing! i just wanted the girliest game :( |
| 11:09.02 | directhex|work | imachine, it can, technically, but it would need someone to do it, get the package accepted into debian, and all the above to still be licensed |
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| 11:09.09 | sharky | can someone name some different supervise tools for a linux cluster |
| 11:09.16 | mosty | c459s: ie write a cgi script that changes the permissions (or just deletes the files) and then run it via the web |
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| 11:09.32 | c459s | mosty; thats a good idea. Thanks ;) |
| 11:09.32 | directhex|work | sharky, use something your cluster vendor supplied (xcat, xlustervisionos, scaliconnect, etc) |
| 11:09.32 | Laibsch | c459s: You might want to use setuid for the directory in the future. That way the files can belong to you instead of the webserver. |
| 11:09.35 | dilch | sharky, clusterbuddy |
| 11:09.43 | directhex|work | *clustervisionos |
| 11:09.45 | donny- | does anyone here use a variant of debian? if so would you compare it favourably with debian? |
| 11:09.58 | dilch | donny-, i use a variant |
| 11:10.03 | directhex|work | donny-, no and no in that order |
| 11:10.11 | imachine | directhex|work: im concidering getting pkgsrc to work on debian :] |
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| 11:10.20 | dilch | donny-, freebsd, good |
| 11:10.22 | dilch | in that order |
| 11:10.31 | donny- | hehe |
| 11:10.33 | directhex|work | imachine, sounds like a waste of time, just build a .deb for something instead |
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| 11:10.37 | doleyb | donny: if you go to #ubuntu you will get 100 yeses |
| 11:10.39 | St0n3-C0l | Yes! now works ;) |
| 11:10.43 | directhex|work | imachine, use the source package for quake2-data as a model |
| 11:10.44 | donny- | lol |
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| 11:11.15 | imachine | pts/1 14:11 # apt-get install quake2-data /home/imachine |
| 11:11.15 | imachine | Czytanie list pakietów... Gotowe |
| 11:11.15 | imachine | Budowanie drzewa zale¿no¶ci... Gotowe |
| 11:11.15 | imachine | E: Nie uda³o siê odnale¼æ pakietu quake2-data |
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| 11:11.18 | donny- | one more thing, is there any way of letting multiple programs access the same sound device simultaneously? |
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| 11:11.27 | imachine | oh sorry about that. |
| 11:11.32 | Guerin | for those who are completely braindead, freebsd is unrelated to debian |
| 11:11.33 | imachine | thought 3 lines is ok. |
| 11:11.33 | imachine | ;] |
| 11:11.42 | Guerin | donny-: alsa and dmix |
| 11:11.45 | dilch | Guerin, au contraire mon ami |
| 11:11.48 | directhex|work | imachine, that was more than 3 lines |
| 11:11.52 | Guerin | imachine: one line is ok. two lines is pushing it. |
| 11:12.11 | donny- | cool. thanks :) |
| 11:12.12 | imachine | directhex|work: yea. 4. |
| 11:12.13 | imachine | ; |
| 11:12.13 | Guerin | dilch: well, they're both unix-like operating systems |
| 11:12.16 | dilch | Guerin, in a manner of speaking it is a variant |
| 11:12.18 | directhex|work | imachine, also, since quake 2's data files are non-free, and quake2 relies on non-free data, it's not in the "main" repository, it's in "non-free" and "contrib" respectively |
| 11:12.19 | fooz | i have to write a l33t localisation of Debian |
| 11:12.20 | dilch | Guerin, that's the manner |
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| 11:12.36 | imachine | directhex|work: how can i add apt repos ? |
| 11:12.43 | Guerin | dilch: that doesn't make fbsd a variant of debian; it means they potentially share a common ancestor or ancestors |
| 11:12.47 | Laibsch | Am I correct in my analysis that the official woody CDs install the kernel in such a way that it cannot be removed via normal dpkg/apt/aptitude ways? I want to remove the 2.2.20-idepci kernel. Would installing and then removing http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2002/06/04/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.2.20-i386/kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci_2.2.20-5_i386.deb work? I am not 100% sure that is the one from the CDs. |
| 11:12.47 | directhex|work | !non-free sources |
| 11:12.48 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update |
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| 11:12.49 | Guerin | which of course they do |
| 11:12.56 | fooz | no they don't |
| 11:13.01 | dilch | Guerin, so i wanted to turn him onto freebsd ... don't hurt me |
| 11:13.11 | dilch | Guerin, but they don't really share any ancestor |
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| 11:13.24 | directhex|work | imachine, ^^ |
| 11:13.31 | Kzimm | hi i can't write a DVD in 8X with growisfs pleast anyone can help ? |
| 11:13.40 | mosty | Laibsch: no that won't work. all you have to do is remove whatever /vmlinuz points to, and /lib/modules/whateverkernelversion |
| 11:13.45 | fooz | FreeBSD can trace its lineage back to UNIX V6/V7, Linux and GNU can't |
| 11:14.07 | mosty | kzimm: probably crap media or crap firmware |
| 11:14.10 | Guerin | fooz: ok, fair call |
| 11:14.28 | dilch | and more directly to bsd 4.4lite |
| 11:14.29 | dilch | all hail |
| 11:14.45 | fooz | pfft it's a false BSD.. Tahoe, wtf? |
| 11:14.51 | Laibsch | mosty: Thank you. Isn't it a bug (granted in fairly old CDs) that the kernel cannot be removed via the normal debian means? Is this still the case for more current installation methods? |
| 11:15.00 | fooz | real BSDs run on Vax |
| 11:15.01 | dilch | linux can trace its lineage back to a hunched linus |
| 11:15.08 | Kzimm | mosty: there is no option or something ? |
| 11:15.20 | dilch | vms or death |
| 11:15.21 | arturaz | maybe there is sth that will install only security upgrades in testing? |
| 11:15.28 | dilch | you insolent swine |
| 11:15.47 | directhex|work | arturaz, there are no security upgrades in testing |
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| 11:16.06 | arturaz | ^_^ |
| 11:17.20 | dilch | the question you always have to ask is "If Jesus was alive today, what OS would He use?" |
| 11:17.36 | directhex|work | BeOS |
| 11:17.39 | peterS | dilch: google for jesux. it was a joke, but the name was clever at least |
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| 11:17.49 | dilch | beos didn't rise from the dead |
| 11:17.55 | dilch | oh it kinda did |
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| 11:18.21 | TinoW | .oO(AROS) ;) |
| 11:18.23 | dilch | peterS, ahaha |
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| 11:18.47 | Tonio_ | hi all |
| 11:19.35 | Tonio_ | is there someone ? |
| 11:19.36 | dilch | haha even though it's a joke i agree with one thing very strongly .. "qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual)" |
| 11:19.51 | dilch | someone is, i'm sure |
| 11:19.54 | peterS | dilch: heh |
| 11:20.01 | peterS | I forgot about that part |
| 11:20.44 | Tonio_ | i need help for a shorewall configuration, somebody have experience in it ? |
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| 11:22.00 | Tonio_ | ( sorry if my english seems to be odd, im french ) |
| 11:22.13 | sussudio | !fr |
| 11:22.13 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 11:22.45 | fabrizio | hi all |
| 11:22.47 | Tonio_ | so anyone for shorewall on a sarge ? |
| 11:23.09 | Tonio_ | yes im on it but nobody seems to reply |
| 11:23.26 | fabrizio | Alleria: what's a fs type compatible with Windows98se and Debian? |
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| 11:23.34 | fabrizio | what's a fs type compatible with Windows98se and Debian? |
| 11:23.36 | drp | why sarge and woody |
| 11:23.37 | njan | fabrizio, fat32 |
| 11:23.53 | dilch | fat32 |
| 11:24.03 | dilch | sorry |
| 11:24.10 | dilch | i stepped on his wonderful answer :( |
| 11:24.22 | fabrizio | how can i create a fat32 fs under debian? |
| 11:25.13 | dilch | i hope no one spoon feeds you that one |
| 11:25.40 | fabrizio | how can i create a fat32 fs under debian? |
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| 11:26.29 | SuperSox | mkfs -t vfat /dev/device |
| 11:26.31 | SuperSox | or similer |
| 11:26.40 | SuperSox | you need the dosfstools package iirc |
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| 11:27.33 | Tonio_ | drp: if you talk to me, its a dedicated server that have been set with a sarge so its not really my choice |
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| 11:29.36 | dilch | the beef train is here |
| 11:29.37 | dilch | ciao |
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| 11:30.11 | Tonio_ | if anybody have experience with iptables on a sarge with kernel 2.4, it would be great |
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| 11:31.47 | drp | if your name is short for tony danza I might be able to help |
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| 11:32.13 | drp | : ) |
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| 11:32.47 | Tonio_ | unfortunnaly iv stopped house keeping a long time ago :) |
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| 11:33.28 | drp | lol |
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| 11:33.54 | drp | tony danza is quite possibly the coolest guy that ever came out of the 80's |
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| 11:37.01 | mithro | anyone know the channel for usermode linux? |
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| 11:38.16 | peterS | mithro: I'd look for a #uml. channel names are usually, though not always, the obvious thing |
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| 11:43.10 | llama32 | how do i use bitlbee? |
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| 11:43.44 | Noldo | llama32: you either use a public server or maintain your own |
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| 11:44.08 | mithro | peterS: already tried there :) |
| 11:44.08 | mithro | it's for User Modeling Language thingy |
| 11:44.11 | Guerin | llama32: /connect im.bitlbee.org |
| 11:44.11 | citral | llama32: http://linuxreviews.org/software/irc/bitlbee/ |
| 11:44.12 | llama32 | llama32: in english? :| |
| 11:44.21 | llama32 | thanks |
| 11:44.24 | Guerin | llama32: then type "help" in the bitlbee irc window |
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| 11:45.09 | martin | i've got a great problem. i used fdisk on windows to create a new partition and it deleted some partition table entries of my reiserfs partitions. is there a way to restore them? |
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| 11:46.29 | njan | martin, afaik there's a reiserfs program that rebuilds the entire fs tree |
| 11:46.37 | ranix | haha I can't apt-get bitchx anymore |
| 11:46.40 | njan | martin, you might give that a go; it's been a long time since I touched reiser of any kind. |
| 11:46.47 | ranix | how sad =\ |
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| 11:47.16 | jm_ | martin: also try gpart and/or parted |
| 11:47.30 | petemc | ranix: irssi is much better, but for what its worth, bitchx is still apt-getable here |
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| 11:48.14 | martin | njan, jm_, ok i'll go and try it. |
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| 11:49.05 | ranix | petemc, hm, can't find package bitchx in mit |
| 11:49.05 | rjb | hey could any1 help with install woes, BCM5700 related? |
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| 11:49.46 | ranix | not that I need it, mind |
| 11:49.58 | ranix | was just an old legacy thing I liked having |
| 11:50.46 | ranix | I'm about to give debian-mips a shot |
| 11:50.48 | rjb | ifconfig says eth0 up and running (w/tg3 module), but no ping, all connects fail |
| 11:50.53 | ranix | pocketBSD is panicking left and right |
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| 11:51.48 | directhex|work | bitchx has been removed from sarge for crippling security holes |
| 11:52.06 | ranix | haha |
| 11:52.14 | ranix | alright, that makes me feel better |
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| 11:52.29 | directhex|work | !why is bitchx not in testing |
| 11:52.29 | dpkg | bitchx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bitchx |
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| 11:53.59 | _joey | possible to use adsl modem over usb on linux? |
| 11:54.50 | ranix | aaah, bitchx was spewing files into the chat window |
| 11:55.00 | ranix | how awesome is that |
| 11:55.32 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:55.40 | Guerin | that's bx for ya |
| 11:56.07 | ranix | no luck yet with netbsd |
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| 11:56.35 | qq | hi |
| 11:56.41 | qq | can someone help me? |
| 11:56.53 | Guerin | qq: we don't know |
| 11:56.56 | qq | i'm trying to install broadcom drivers on debian |
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| 11:57.02 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:57.06 | qq | ;) |
| 11:57.09 | Irene_ta | exit #Talayuela |
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| 11:57.41 | rjb | qq u2? ;) |
| 11:57.47 | qq | when i try rpm -ivh RPMS/i386/driver.rpm |
| 11:57.52 | qq | i get error message: |
| 11:58.06 | qq | cannot open packages using db3.... |
| 11:58.36 | jm_ | qq: read /usr/share/doc/rpm/* |
| 11:59.16 | rjb | hey but is it to be expected that a bcm5700 won't work at all using the tg3 that's on the installer?? |
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| 11:59.33 | marsje | question: shouldn't .bashrc be executed when I log in as a normal user in debian? |
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| 12:00.05 | qq | no it's a bcm440 |
| 12:00.09 | qq | bcm4400 |
| 12:00.26 | qq | do i need to install rpm? |
| 12:00.26 | citral | marsje: you have to tell .bash_profile to source it (uncomment) |
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| 12:00.38 | marsje | ah, ok... thanks citral |
| 12:00.40 | rjb | i'm quite sure i did netinstall on boxes w/bcm's successfully before |
| 12:00.46 | netbrain | can anyone tell me what netatalk enables me to doo? |
| 12:01.04 | rjb | but now i have a newer box, and no luck |
| 12:01.09 | ranix | question: can kernel 2.6 mount netbsd partitions? |
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| 12:01.28 | SlayerXP | ranix: is google illegal in your country? |
| 12:01.29 | vdka | I just can't find any debs for mencoder. Any hints? |
| 12:01.45 | citral | !tell vdka about mplayer |
| 12:01.46 | Coke | vdka: mencoder is mplayer |
| 12:01.51 | dvsdude | vdka mplayer |
| 12:01.53 | rjb | ranix, if netbsd uses ufs then it might |
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| 12:04.05 | St0n3-C0l | How do I transfer any FILE from my system to ftp ? with the help of ftp or cftp ? |
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| 12:04.53 | kaner | St0n3-C0l: whatever you like |
| 12:04.59 | St0n3-C0l | Command ?? |
| 12:05.01 | citral | St0n3-C0l: gftp-text is good |
| 12:05.02 | ch_ | how can I format an ext2 partition |
| 12:05.15 | citral | command "put" |
| 12:05.20 | jm_ | the same way you do it with other partitions |
| 12:05.23 | kaner | ch_: mkfs.ext2 |
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| 12:05.37 | kaner | St0n3-C0l: man ftp |
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| 12:05.48 | ch_ | kaner: would that clear all my files? |
| 12:06.01 | vdka | Or does "mplayer" supersede the "mencoder" command? |
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| 12:06.10 | Zepher | ch?± yes |
| 12:06.20 | kaner | ch_: of course |
| 12:06.22 | Zepher | ch_:yes* |
| 12:06.53 | netbrain | is there anyway i can install debian on a powerpc when my cdrom doesnt work?. im running mac osx at the moment. |
| 12:06.56 | takatumi | Zepher: which key code is this? ± |
| 12:07.07 | dvsdude | vdka a snidbit from a script transcode -i jill_kelly.mpeg -V -x mplayer,mplayer -y mpeg -F d -Z 352x288 --export_fps 25 --export_asr 2 -E 48000 -b 224 -o Jill_Kelly |
| 12:07.13 | Zepher | dutch keyboard |
| 12:07.13 | Zepher | then type : |
| 12:07.15 | kaner | netbrain: many ways, i suppose |
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| 12:07.54 | inu | vdka, by typing mencoder? :) |
| 12:08.08 | netbrain | kaner: hehe your not helping.. |
| 12:08.26 | kaner | netbrain: what did you ask? |
| 12:08.26 | vdka | inu: unfortunately not available on my system |
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| 12:08.41 | jm_ | vdka: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 12:08.44 | inu | vdka, then you can't |
| 12:09.01 | jm_ | vdka: the same repository has mencoder packaged too |
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| 12:09.06 | rixth | I have an apache log file, that has the lines awstats.pl?config=34534lotsofthoercrapthatsneverthesame ho can I use grep to remove those lines, if I simplay ad awstats.pl it doesn't filter them (I'musing the -v option). Is there anyway to tell grep to filter that line if it a line contains a keyword evei if its like othercrapkeywordothercrap? |
| 12:09.53 | netbrain | kaner: i wanted to know if there are anyway i can install debian on an ibook when my cdrom doesnt work and im running mac osx.. |
| 12:09.55 | vdka | jm_: I'll give it a try |
| 12:10.14 | ranix | looks like UFS won't mount on this kernel |
| 12:10.17 | Zepher | I`m having a little trouble in the post-install; Xserver wont initiate: first my monitor wasn`t detected, but i copied the settings from a knoppix-boot, then my mouse wouldn`t start (logitech optical usb/ps2) |
| 12:10.19 | kaner | netbrain: and i said "yes". see: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch-install-methods.en.html |
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| 12:10.39 | jm_ | Zepher: so check its logfile |
| 12:10.46 | spire | I made an apt-get upgrade and then the pointer shape changed to some fancy triangle thing with a hole in the bottom. How do I set it to a normal arrow? |
| 12:10.48 | dvsdude | netbrain I installed knoppix on p3 laptop via terminal services |
| 12:10.59 | Zepher | did, no pointer device detected |
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| 12:11.02 | rixth | What I'm basically saying, (say my keword is test) if the page accessed is /www/awstats.pl?config=test?mainrage=left-right how can I remove that line, filtering with awstats does not work becsaue it is surrounded by other things. How can I tell grep to remove it? |
| 12:11.11 | jm_ | so configure it properly and load drivers for it |
| 12:11.21 | X-CRiPt51 | hello |
| 12:11.21 | rixth | hi |
| 12:11.21 | Zepher | how? ^_^ |
| 12:11.22 | bbrazil | rixth: -V |
| 12:11.36 | rjb | rixth: grep -v test ? |
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| 12:11.45 | jm_ | modconf for drivers, "/msg dpkg reconfigure x" to reconfigure X |
| 12:11.51 | Zepher | thanks |
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| 12:12.00 | X-CRiPt51 | well, i'm a total newbie in linux, and I'm trying to install the x windows, but I can't get them work :S can anybody help me?? |
| 12:12.14 | rixth | bbrazil, no, that doesn't work, becasue the awstats.pl is not seperated, it's part of one long sting, I'mm give you an exampl: |
| 12:12.22 | rixth | 192.168.0.4 - - [31/Mar/2005:00:00:11 +1100] "GET /cgi-bin/awstats.pl?config=Spectrum&framename=mainleft HTTP/1.1" 200 9850 "http://debian/cgi-bin/awstats.pl?config=Spectrum" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)" |
| 12:13.00 | bbrazil | rixth: so you want to only do the 5th field? |
| 12:13.12 | X-CRiPt51 | I've tried configuring with commands like "dkpg xserver-xfree86", and some more but it says "no device detected" "no screens found" :S |
| 12:13.25 | Zepher | thats what i had |
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| 12:13.46 | rixth | X-CRiPt51, did you copy the md5sum over?\ |
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| 12:13.57 | witless | on gnome, how can i change which applications handle which mimetypes? |
| 12:14.01 | X-CRiPt51 | ehmm what? |
| 12:14.02 | jm_ | you need to read the logfile to find out why it says "No screens found" |
| 12:14.19 | Zepher | no. i copied the x11 dir from a knoppix boot to the disk |
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| 12:14.26 | christor | Hello |
| 12:14.30 | Zepher | hi\ |
| 12:14.40 | aditza_^^ | what is WRONG with this line in sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge contrib/binary-i386 |
| 12:14.53 | X-CRiPt51 | well it says that at the final of the log, with (EE) ... I don't remember any other error, only warnings |
| 12:14.58 | jm_ | aditza_^^: just use apt-setup |
| 12:14.59 | kaner | X-CRiPt51: i guess you need to edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 12:15.06 | rixth | bbrazil, that doesn't work, I want to competly remove that line, but if I try and filter out awstats.pl. it doesn't do anything, becasue grep sees is as awstats.pl?configblahblah |
| 12:15.13 | kaner | X-CRiPt51: what graphic chip do you have? |
| 12:15.18 | X-CRiPt51 | ati x800se |
| 12:15.22 | kaner | X-CRiPt51: what kernel version? |
| 12:15.24 | X-CRiPt51 | I think it has some problems :S |
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| 12:15.26 | X-CRiPt51 | 2.6 |
| 12:15.37 | X-CRiPt51 | sarge net install, and I entered "linux26" at the boot |
| 12:15.37 | Zepher | [Nagmode engaged] I`m starting to think my pc hates linux, i tried 3 different distro`s but all of them failed (presumably hardware incompatibility)[Nagmode Disengaged] |
| 12:15.42 | kaner | what driver is in your XFree86 config? |
| 12:15.45 | kaner | "ati" ? |
| 12:15.49 | X-CRiPt51 | yes |
| 12:15.52 | X-CRiPt51 | but I've tried vesa also |
| 12:15.56 | X-CRiPt51 | and it says the same error :S |
| 12:16.08 | bbrazil | rixth: what exactly are you trying to filter out? |
| 12:16.08 | citral | Zepher: what did they actually fail? to boot? |
| 12:16.22 | X-CRiPt51 | I've configured my monitor properly, and I've tried it with my old computer and it works :SS |
| 12:16.30 | kaner | X-CRiPt51: have you got a appropriae "Screen" section in the config file? |
| 12:16.30 | rixth | X-CRiPt51, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html and look at number 3, |
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| 12:16.45 | kaner | rixth: eh has got nvidia |
| 12:16.48 | kaner | rixth: eh has got ati |
| 12:16.55 | Zepher | some, gentoo crashed on kernel booting |
| 12:16.55 | Zepher | debian on x-server |
| 12:16.55 | Zepher | mandrake on hardware detect |
| 12:16.56 | rixth | kaner, doesn't matter. |
| 12:16.59 | kaner | k |
| 12:17.10 | Zepher | (memo to me: fix the multiline thing) |
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| 12:17.39 | rixth | bbrazil, I'm trying to filter out ALL lines that include the string awstats.pl |
| 12:17.53 | X-CRiPt51 | ehm apropriate "screen" section? I think that it's well, hmm well I'm trying to look at it, I'll connect with my old computer |
| 12:17.54 | rixth | grep -v awstats.pl /apache/logs/access_log_1 does NOT do it. |
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| 12:18.18 | X-CRiPt51 | bye! |
| 12:18.19 | rixth | X-CRiPt51, did you look at that page? That will most likly be the problem. |
| 12:18.21 | witless | firefox keeps opening media files from c-span.org with mplayer without giving me the opportunity to select another player. how can i change this? |
| 12:18.38 | bbrazil | rixth: escape the . , and that line should do it |
| 12:18.43 | resiak | witless: Playing them embedded? Remove mplayer-plugin. |
| 12:18.44 | joey_ | witless, look at "file associations" in the preferences |
| 12:18.51 | citral | witless: firefox -> edit -> preferences |
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| 12:18.53 | rixth | bbrazil, huh? sorry |
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| 12:19.07 | bbrazil | rixth: '.' |
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| 12:19.30 | rixth | You mean just filter for awstats? |
| 12:19.46 | witless | nothing is listed in file associations |
| 12:19.57 | bbrazil | rixth: awstats\.pl |
| 12:20.49 | e2e | Hi, I'm trying to install debian on a old machine, but it crach if i attached hdd at boot, it don't give any error message, just stops at "Detecting Secondary Slave None". It's said this could be an mbr problem of the disk. Is there a tool on debian to rewrite another disk's mbr? |
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| 12:21.08 | rixth | Noldo, didnt work, I must sleep now. |
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| 12:21.13 | rixth | Thanks for your help! |
| 12:21.16 | Zepher | e2e: jumpers? |
| 12:21.21 | Noldo | wtf? |
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| 12:22.04 | X-CRiPt51 | rixth_afk, that page will work on ati?? |
| 12:22.06 | bbrazil | rixth_afk: then there's something very wrong with your grep |
| 12:22.11 | e2e | Zepher: It's set as primary master and computer show as Primary Master too.. |
| 12:22.27 | witless | there are no file associations listed and i don't have mplayer-plugin installed |
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| 12:22.37 | rixth_afk | X-CRiPt51, just do the commadns in the grey boxes. |
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| 12:23.22 | rixth_afk | grep -v awstats\.pl /apache/logs/access_log_1 does not work\ |
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| 12:23.51 | Zepher | e2e: i read in lilo install that there might be fukups with old bioses, i dont know for sure, but does GRUB have thesame problem? might consider that.. |
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| 12:24.27 | takatumi | Zepher: btw, try the nick completion feature of irssi-text, the ":" is added automagically. ;) |
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| 12:25.03 | e2e | Zepher: I have no chance to install anything to that hdd. The box don't boot if i attached the hdd |
| 12:25.23 | ctmnz | how can I limit connections whit clients and my apache server ? |
| 12:25.38 | Zepher | e2e: is it a new(ish) hdd? |
| 12:25.47 | witless | another useless dick-fight |
| 12:25.49 | witless | thanks |
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| 12:26.32 | omnistegan | how is the default debian kernel for detecting joysticks and such? i have a steering wheel I would like to get work |
| 12:26.34 | e2e | Zepher: Not too old, 15GB Quantum |
| 12:27.00 | bbrazil | rixth_afk: can you give a line that it misses? |
| 12:27.13 | EvanCarroll | has anyone had problems using grub on a virtual machine with VMWare |
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| 12:27.38 | EvanCarroll | or better yet, has anyone done it successfully |
| 12:27.49 | Zepher | e2e: it might be that your bios is too old to support it. |
| 12:27.49 | maccadam | does anyone have experience with an PCI-E videocard and setting it up on a Debian box? |
| 12:27.52 | akilani | dpkg: package list |
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| 12:28.11 | Zepher | e2e: but i`m no expert |
| 12:28.16 | maccadam | it's a 6600GT |
| 12:28.27 | e2e | Zepher: Ok, thank you |
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| 12:28.39 | EvanCarroll | omnistegan: ... not all serial/game port devices can be detected |
| 12:28.44 | X-CRiPt51 | hello again! |
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| 12:29.04 | EvanCarroll | omnistegan: you might have to manually tell how many buttens it has, or even map the signels sent to the coresponding keys |
| 12:30.32 | akilani | were are the installed package lists found ? |
| 12:30.42 | akilani | is there something like rpm -qa |
| 12:30.45 | EvanCarroll | dpkg -l > yourlist |
| 12:30.45 | dpkg | ii > yourlist 3.2-13 evancarroll's private porn collection |
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| 12:30.49 | omnistegan | EvanCarroll, it wont show up in lsmod, i'll probably have to compile another kernel, crap |
| 12:31.05 | EvanCarroll | omnistegan: it shoulden't show up on lsmod |
| 12:31.08 | Zepher | lol |
| 12:31.20 | takatumi | akilani: or try aptitude |
| 12:31.25 | omnistegan | EvanCarroll, it's usb, how can i tell if the kernel supports it? |
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| 12:32.05 | EvanCarroll | omnistegan: ah its usb, that is a minor detail you left out, all usb is plug and play, usb_core or something of that like should show up on the list |
| 12:32.27 | omnistegan | so it should show up in lsmod and it doesnt, so kernel compile |
| 12:32.45 | X-CRiPt51 | «rixth_afk» can you tell me again the page, please?? (I'm in the other computer ) |
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| 12:32.59 | Zepher | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 12:33.06 | EvanCarroll | omnistegan: All default kernels should have usb_core though |
| 12:33.12 | Zepher | that one? |
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| 12:33.17 | X-CRiPt51 | sure, thanls! |
| 12:33.30 | Zepher | X-CRiPt51: np |
| 12:33.39 | omnistegan | EvanCarroll: yes usb works but the driver for this specific steering wheel isnt compiled in the kernel more than likely |
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| 12:34.21 | Zepher | So. the best way for a newbie like me to install debian, is not woody? |
| 12:34.30 | directhex|work | !d-i Zepher |
| 12:34.30 | dpkg | Zepher, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:34.32 | Jamsi | Okay what the fuck has debain done to my FAT32 drive. I take a drive out of a XP machine, whack it in a debain box for about a month. Take it out and put it in the XP box again and bang. "This disk is not formatted, do you want to format now?" |
| 12:34.55 | Zepher | *grins* Ithought a s much |
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| 12:35.21 | Zepher | *grins* i thought as much* |
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| 12:37.15 | SuperSox | Jamsi: usually windows XP uses NTFS... |
| 12:37.32 | Jamsi | But it can use fat32 |
| 12:37.41 | Jamsi | and I have used fat32 for awhile in xp |
| 12:38.03 | omnistegan | lol |
| 12:38.04 | SlayerXP | oi! careful. |
| 12:38.09 | Zepher | lol |
| 12:38.38 | SuperSox | Jamsi: the disk drive could have become damaged, you could have mucked up the mbr somehow, there is an infinate number of possiblities |
| 12:39.12 | Jamsi | Now this HDD only works in linux |
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| 12:39.31 | inu | jamsi, don't blame Debian, sounds like pebkac to me |
| 12:39.38 | Jamsi | pebkac ? |
| 12:39.49 | Zepher | :-0 15 sarge iso`s !? |
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| 12:39.51 | inu | problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 12:39.56 | Jamsi | I do not think so. |
| 12:40.09 | Putiikki | Zepher: you don't need every of them |
| 12:40.21 | Jamsi | Why else would it just not show up anymore under XP. Linux has changed something, all I did was mount the fucker. |
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| 12:40.45 | SuperSox | Jamsi: then it wouldn't have changed anything... |
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| 12:40.46 | Zepher | ISO #1 and get the rest from web? |
| 12:40.58 | Putiikki | Zepher: it's common way |
| 12:41.01 | jm_ | Zepher: no, netinst or just upgrade your existing installation |
| 12:41.02 | citral | XP is nice, as long as it's turned off. |
| 12:41.11 | BadMan | lol citral |
| 12:41.20 | SuperSox | if I ever /have/ to use windows, I use 2000 over XP |
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| 12:42.51 | citral | rather than |
| 12:42.51 | doleyb | jamsi: you could've switched the master/slave |
| 12:42.51 | Jamsi | Hmm |
| 12:42.52 | Jamsi | Might have |
| 12:42.52 | takatumi | !d-i Zepher |
| 12:42.52 | dpkg | Zepher, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 12:42.52 | Zepher | yeah yeah, i`m there now |
| 12:42.52 | Zepher | its what spawned the question |
| 12:43.11 | takatumi | Zepher: try the biz card..;) |
| 12:43.16 | Zepher | lol |
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| 12:43.22 | Zepher | actually... |
| 12:43.34 | BadMan | SuperSox: I kept my 98SE, it's theonly one I can do anything with certain games etc... |
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| 12:44.18 | SuperSox | BadMan: heh :) I've got windows 2000, needed it for some university stuff |
| 12:44.24 | hoe | hi all, how can I copy stdout to file, i.e. I want the output of prog. be printes runtime on screen as well as redirected to file, for example ping stats |
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| 12:44.34 | jm_ | hoe: tee |
| 12:44.35 | takatumi | Zepher: make sure it's a daily build for added fun. |
| 12:44.35 | SuperSox | if I want to play games I use the gfs gamecube or my xbox ;) |
| 12:44.35 | citral | SuperSox: same here. |
| 12:44.49 | Zepher | XD |
| 12:44.51 | SuperSox | I'm finally at the point where I can scrap the windows 2000 box though |
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| 12:45.06 | SuperSox | and finally make proper use of the AMD64 in it |
| 12:45.24 | qwertz | Hi! Neither on console nor X-Server I'm able to write an e with accent sign - does anybody know how I can configure this? |
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| 12:45.34 | SuperSox | two technologies I never want to see again. |
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| 12:46.47 | citral | !console charset |
| 12:46.47 | dpkg | hmm... console charset is install the locales adapted to your location (let's say, fr_FR), and put "export LC_CTYPE=fr_FR" in /etc/profile or in your .bashrc. log out, log in, done. |
| 12:46.53 | hoe | jm_: thx, and couldn't it be done some kinda prog 2>&/file, I thought that & symbol stands for copy |
| 12:48.00 | Zepher | lets bake me some sarge |
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| 12:49.04 | jm_ | hoe: no, it's not that simple |
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| 12:49.49 | jc-denton | can i get kernel-images of newer 2.4er kernels for woody? |
| 12:49.50 | qq | cannot open root device "301"? |
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| 12:54.16 | omnistegan | Guys i have a serious problem, my framerate is horrible on any serious applications, i can't even run most screensavers, any suggestions? |
| 12:54.55 | aditza_^^ | i just installed ntop and the folowing error occurs: Wed Mar 30 15:56:15 2005 **FATAL_ERROR** ....open of /var/lib/ntop/prefsCache.db failed: File open error |
| 12:55.09 | doleyb | omnistegan: what does glxgears say? |
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| 12:56.10 | directhex|work | omnistegan, 3d? |
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| 12:56.17 | omnistegan | doyes 3d |
| 12:56.21 | omnistegan | yes 3d* |
| 12:56.27 | directhex|work | omnistegan, which card, which driver |
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| 12:56.45 | omnistegan | Gefore 2 64MB nv driver |
| 12:56.53 | directhex|work | nv has no 3d acceleration |
| 12:56.59 | directhex|work | that's the cause of your problem |
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| 12:57.11 | directhex|work | use an r200 ati, or install the proprietary nvidia driver |
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| 12:57.16 | citral | omnistegan: you want to /msg dpkg nvidia howto, and go to the comcast url |
| 12:57.38 | light_punch2 | anyone knows how do disable the ring on a house phone (circuit-wise)? |
| 12:57.41 | BadMan | hmm never thought about seeing what glxgears reports in the littlepreview window its says something like 1300 FPS in test its about 130 FPS |
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| 12:58.33 | Zepher | replace the ringer with a resistir |
| 12:58.36 | Zepher | resistor* |
| 12:59.05 | directhex|work | BadMan, it's a smple indictaion of whether 3 is accelerated. run it for about 20 seconds on defualt size, with thr window focused. <250, no 3d. ~1000, DRI or really crap old card, 3000+ modern ati or nvidia w/ proprietary driver |
| 12:59.11 | Unskill3d | hey can u advise me a simply wav player ? |
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| 12:59.29 | citral | Unskill3d: aplay |
| 12:59.34 | light_punch2 | Zepher, hm... will it be obvious? it the ringer a big thing on inside the phone? |
| 12:59.35 | Unskill3d | citral: k thx |
| 12:59.47 | citral | Unskill3d: comes in alsa-utils I think |
| 12:59.49 | light_punch2 | s/it/is |
| 12:59.54 | Unskill3d | yes i got it |
| 12:59.58 | ranix | argh I am going to tear my hair out |
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| 13:00.10 | ranix | can't write to netbsd partitions in linux |
| 13:00.15 | ranix | read only |
| 13:00.23 | light_punch2 | ranix, i can help you out |
| 13:00.30 | ranix | think so? |
| 13:00.30 | citral | ranix: what file system? |
| 13:00.32 | light_punch2 | the tearing hair part =) |
| 13:00.34 | ranix | ffs |
| 13:00.37 | ranix | heh |
| 13:00.55 | Unskill3d | aplay: test_wavefile:689: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files |
| 13:00.57 | Zepher | unmount is and remount? |
| 13:00.57 | Unskill3d | shit |
| 13:01.03 | genix__ | Should I use deb "http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" or "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" in sources.list? |
| 13:01.03 | BadMan | hmm the 20 sec run seems to stable out at 120fps... is that decent I have the nvidia kernel etc that you all helped me setup using a geforce mx4000 agp 64mb? |
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| 13:01.25 | genix__ | Should I use deb "http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" or "deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main" in sources.list?* |
| 13:01.26 | directhex|work | genix__, no speech marks at all |
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| 13:01.43 | jm_ | BadMan: it's horrible |
| 13:01.53 | BadMan | boo... |
| 13:02.01 | citral | baa... |
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| 13:02.08 | BadMan | processor speed matter? its only a k7 700? |
| 13:02.14 | citral | nope |
| 13:02.17 | qq | i don't have initrd.img in mine lilo.conf |
| 13:02.18 | directhex|work | BadMan, i told you, that's not 3d accelerated |
| 13:02.22 | qq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.39 | citral | qq: for which kernel? |
| 13:02.47 | qq | 2.4. |
| 13:02.49 | BadMan | hmmm well back to the drawing board I guess.... |
| 13:02.51 | genix__ | directhex|work: stable or testing for security updates in Sarge? |
| 13:02.55 | citral | qq: kernel-image? |
| 13:02.58 | doleyb | BadMan: a 3d game will usually have 1/30 th the fps of glxgears. |
| 13:03.02 | directhex|work | BadMan, you should get about 1800 on that card, 13000 on a high end card |
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| 13:03.10 | qq | what do you mean? |
| 13:03.14 | qq | version? |
| 13:03.16 | directhex|work | gemsarge, but there are no security updates in sarge yet |
| 13:03.21 | BadMan | doleyb: that explans my fps of quakeforge being 40 then... |
| 13:03.27 | Unskill3d | qq: if u have all modules compiled in the kernel u dont need an initrd |
| 13:03.33 | citral | qq: did you apt-get install kernel-image, or compile it yourself? |
| 13:03.38 | directhex|work | bah |
| 13:03.44 | directhex|work | genix__, sarge, but there are no security updates in sarge yet |
| 13:03.44 | qq | compile itself |
| 13:03.47 | ranix | what is the point of going for high FPS numbers in linux? |
| 13:03.50 | Unskill3d | qq: then its good |
| 13:03.51 | qq | because i have network hardware problems |
| 13:03.54 | ranix | are there even any games? |
| 13:03.59 | qq | so i can't get to the internet |
| 13:04.02 | directhex|work | !troll ranix |
| 13:04.05 | BadMan | ranix: yeah ETF! |
| 13:04.10 | ranix | etf? |
| 13:04.10 | jm_ | ranix: of course |
| 13:04.13 | qq | but i have updated my kernel |
| 13:04.13 | ranix | I am not trolling! |
| 13:04.20 | ranix | I am actually ignorant! |
| 13:04.21 | qq | and now it wil not boot |
| 13:04.25 | directhex|work | ranix, read http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMDEx then come back. |
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| 13:04.30 | ranix | can do |
| 13:04.31 | doleyb | ranix: there are good games for linux, I like Wolfenstein Enemy Territory |
| 13:04.32 | qq | kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs |
| 13:04.34 | BadMan | Enemy Territory Fortress Q3 engine |
| 13:04.41 | citral | qq: make sure that your fs (e.g.) ext3 AND your IDE controller are compiled as built-in, and you don't need initrd. |
| 13:04.57 | Unskill3d | qq: then u missed some options while configuring ur kernel |
| 13:04.59 | Putiikki | is there any way to know when gnome 2.10 comes available in sarge? |
| 13:05.06 | qq | oh ok |
| 13:05.09 | citral | !ur |
| 13:05.09 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 13:05.14 | qq | so i need to reconfigure it |
| 13:05.21 | citral | yes |
| 13:05.21 | qq | i will try that |
| 13:05.22 | genix__ | directhex|work: is security updates just for stable distros? |
| 13:05.23 | BadMan | directhex|work: any ideas where I should start looking then to figure out why my fullscreen fps are so low? |
| 13:05.30 | directhex|work | genix__, yes. |
| 13:05.36 | genix__ | directhex|work: ok |
| 13:05.59 | directhex|work | BadMan, try installing the nvidia drivers? |
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| 13:06.17 | citral | qq: if your disk is ide, you need CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y |
| 13:06.22 | BadMan | I have them, via debian glx....? |
| 13:06.29 | BadMan | nvidia-glx |
| 13:06.41 | genix__ | directhex|work: but in that case, if i use a stable distro (woody) should I use stable or testing as security updates? |
| 13:06.56 | directhex|work | BadMan, did you actually switch to the nvidia driver though, rather than nv? |
| 13:06.56 | ranix | oh, linux runs HL2 huh? |
| 13:06.59 | ranix | hmm |
| 13:07.07 | directhex|work | genix__, woody. |
| 13:07.07 | doleyb | BadMan: did you see a cursive "nvidia" logo when you started x? |
| 13:07.07 | BadMan | directhex|work: yes |
| 13:07.20 | BadMan | doleyb: yes |
| 13:07.23 | ranix | I wonder if I could push more fps out of a debian system than a windows one |
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| 13:07.32 | doleyb | ranix: well, with transgaming.com, you can run all many windowsXP things like halflife. |
| 13:07.33 | directhex|work | BadMan, paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log online somewhere |
| 13:07.38 | BadMan | ok |
| 13:07.39 | genix__ | directhex|work: ok |
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| 13:09.30 | citral | ranix: in certain conditions I heard it's possible |
| 13:09.32 | Piskopat | hi |
| 13:09.37 | genix__ | directhex|work: why not stable? |
| 13:09.45 | paster | "BadMan" at 216.227.38.7 pasted "/var/log/XFree86.0.log" (561 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/390 |
| 13:09.57 | directhex|work | genix__, do you want to track woody or stable? it's up to you ffs |
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| 13:10.41 | citral | !topicsmite qq |
| 13:10.42 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon qq. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:10.56 | citral | qq: don't /msg people here without asking first |
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| 13:11.25 | qq | why not? |
| 13:11.41 | directhex|work | BadMan, i can see where the problem is. paste the output from 'glxinfo' onto the paster please |
| 13:11.46 | citral | bacause it's annoying, and nobody else can see the answer |
| 13:11.55 | dvs | or the question |
| 13:12.30 | citral | qq: so you can change CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK by running make oldconfig |
| 13:12.48 | ranix | when World of Warcraft is linux-capable, I do suppose I will have no more reason to be pirating Windows XP anymore |
| 13:12.49 | citral | or just edit .config ;) |
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| 13:13.10 | paster | "BadMan" at 216.227.38.7 pasted "Output of glxinfo" (84 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/391 |
| 13:13.14 | citral | ranix: don't say it so loud, the FBI is watching us. |
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| 13:13.57 | citral | I think Badman shouldn't try to load glcore with the nvidia driver |
| 13:14.11 | ranix | citral: nah they won't care about the thousands of illegal MP3s I am sharing right this KILL THE PRESIDENT second |
| 13:14.14 | doleyb | ranix: for $15 you can buy a deb to run warcraft on linux. |
| 13:14.35 | ctmnz | how can I limit connections whit clients and my apache server ? |
| 13:15.04 | cyrille_ | hi, I have got a problem : on some applications the police is very small... but the xfonts packages are installed. any idea? |
| 13:15.08 | citral | ranix: I just said ATOMIC BOMB that for your own TERRORIST good. |
| 13:15.30 | cyrille_ | ctmnz, look into httpd.conf |
| 13:15.42 | ranix | citral, child pornography? I understand what you are saying |
| 13:15.49 | directhex|work | BadMan, looks absolutely fine to me, actually, checking it against my desktop machine |
| 13:15.50 | dvs | ctmnz: Apache 1.3 or 2.0? |
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| 13:17.01 | BadMan | directhex|work: ok, just kind of curious... does it have to do with the speed at which the agp card is running I seen in there someplace about only running at 1x, the card is capable of 8x and I am pretty sure this AI61 shuttle supports 4x on the board... |
| 13:17.04 | ranix | ah it looks like linuX-gamers.net got world of warcraft going with wine |
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| 13:18.03 | Pappa | wow runs fine |
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| 13:18.15 | Pappa | execpt for on ati cards |
| 13:18.31 | directhex|work | ranix, gladiac modified the winecvs script to install a wine build with the required directx patches too |
| 13:18.32 | ranix | of course I use ATI cards |
| 13:18.34 | BadMan | directhex|work: jsut checked my mobo manual, it only supports 1x & 2x |
| 13:18.46 | directhex|work | ranix, you're fucked then, ati on llinux is awful for 3d |
| 13:19.06 | ranix | directhex, don't worry, It's a radeon 9200 |
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| 13:19.14 | directhex|work | BadMan, that shouldn't be what's affecting it. i can't see anything obvious |
| 13:19.16 | Unskill3d | some1 call my name plz. highlighcheck |
| 13:19.17 | ranix | not like it's worth tinkering with anyway |
| 13:19.18 | Pappa | it works with ati, but the framerate is low. |
| 13:19.31 | Pappa | Unskill3d: hello |
| 13:19.39 | Unskill3d | Pappa: thx works fine =) |
| 13:19.50 | BadMan | directhex|work: what resolution are your running, I am using 1024x768 |
| 13:19.55 | Pappa | should be a !teach Unskill3d to spell |
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| 13:22.07 | BadMan | citral: is there somethign about glcore that you know may affect nvidia cards fps? |
| 13:22.38 | doleyb | BadMan: did you install the nvidia drivers the "debian way", or some other way? |
| 13:22.38 | Pappa | glcore? :o |
| 13:22.50 | BadMan | doleyb: debian way, apt-get... |
| 13:22.54 | takatumi | ranix: try mesa or xorg. |
| 13:23.40 | DebizillA | hi everybody, i have a question related to web based java applications and firefox, i have jdk1.5 installed on my machine, and i DID see it loading some applets, so java plugin functions but certain things just won't work.... |
| 13:23.48 | DebizillA | i dont understand why, any ideas? |
| 13:24.08 | directhex|work | BadMan, on my home pc, 1024x768 |
| 13:24.20 | Pappa | the nvidia drivers are great now, my framerate in quake3 engine-powered games is higher then it ever was in windows |
| 13:24.24 | directhex|work | BadMan, the number you gave was for glxgears in its original 300x300 window, right, not fullscreen? |
| 13:24.41 | BadMan | directhex|work: that was fullscreen test |
| 13:25.13 | directhex|work | BadMan, and therefore useless. leave it as it is, as i said |
| 13:25.22 | ranix | takatumi, what are mesa and xorg, and why should I try them? |
| 13:25.34 | takatumi | ranix: never mind. :) |
| 13:26.23 | doleyb | BadMan: at default size, I get 1900 fps, and 170 fps at fullscreen. GeFX5700 |
| 13:26.41 | Pappa | doleyb: with my fx5700le i get 5800. |
| 13:26.56 | BadMan | hmmm I should be getting higher as well... |
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| 13:27.14 | directhex|work | this is NOT A SCIENTIFIC BENCHMARK. it's an INDICATION. |
| 13:27.17 | doleyb | Pappa: I haven't upgraded to the latest nvidia drivers, hear they did some lately- but I doubt it will improve me that much. |
| 13:27.19 | BadMan | well I hate trying figure something out then have to stop in middle but time to get kid to school |
| 13:27.20 | MobyTurbo | takatumi: Debian's XFree usually doesn't need to be upgraded to xorg for drivers, the X Strike Force backports most of the xorg and xf86 4.4 drivers not present in the unpatched 4.3 xfree |
| 13:27.25 | directhex|work | BadMan, at the default 300x300 size, what does it say? |
| 13:27.35 | BadMan | directhex|work: 1300. something |
| 13:27.39 | takatumi | MobyTurbo: doesn't work for me. |
| 13:27.46 | Pappa | i run xorg though |
| 13:27.47 | directhex|work | BadMan, right. 3d accelerated. |
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| 13:27.59 | doleyb | BadMan: that should be good enough for most things. |
| 13:27.59 | BadMan | ok |
| 13:28.03 | Pappa | and with more monitors, 2 or 3, it drops to ~2000 |
| 13:28.16 | DebizillA | anybody to help a firefox-java victim? |
| 13:28.24 | MobyTurbo | takatumi: I dropped in late, are you using woody, sarge, or sid? |
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| 13:28.35 | BadMan | maybe next reboot I will check bios and see if the agp port is set for 1x or 2x that may have a little to do with it |
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| 13:28.38 | directhex|work | it also drops if you run multiple x servers (e.g. a seocnd GDM on tty8) |
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| 13:28.53 | BadMan | anyway bbl8r all |
| 13:29.01 | takatumi | MobyTurbo: I don't have a problem, thought it was ranix, ain't him either, btw its sid. |
| 13:29.14 | MobyTurbo | takatumi: OK then, nm |
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| 13:29.24 | ranix | I have a load of problems, but nothing debian can help with |
| 13:29.46 | ranix | I'm gonna have to rip this HD and do a netbsd install |
| 13:29.50 | doleyb | directhex|work: i always run a 2nd x server before playing a game, because X has no good way to switch from a fullscreen prog |
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| 13:30.03 | takatumi | ranix: why not obsd then? |
| 13:30.37 | ranix | takatumi, I'm trying to install netbsd to a mips-based handheld pc, but I have no way of getting the distribution onto the storage device |
| 13:30.40 | ranix | I am open to suggestions |
| 13:30.59 | ranix | got no way to mount the netbsd partition writable right now though |
| 13:31.00 | doleyb | ranix: can you just not write to the filesystem? |
| 13:31.03 | MobyTurbo | ranix: #netbsd |
| 13:31.21 | ranix | they're busy discussing pornography in #netbsd |
| 13:31.26 | takatumi | heh |
| 13:31.31 | doleyb | what filesystem is it? |
| 13:31.33 | ranix | ffs |
| 13:31.36 | takatumi | /j netbsd |
| 13:32.14 | ranix | now they're talking about their vulnerable packages |
| 13:32.14 | MobyTurbo | ranix: then /j #netbsd at IRCNet, that one has people in it too. |
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| 13:33.07 | ranix | haha MobyTurbo, thanks but I'll just solve this one on my own from here on out. Just wanted to mention it one more time just in case someone had a magical way to write to a ffs partition from a deb box |
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| 13:33.42 | MobyTurbo | ranix: Linux has very buggy write support for UFS. |
| 13:33.43 | Pappa | uhm i only get 3735 fps at stock speeds, and 5300 after nvclock.. good enough |
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| 13:33.51 | jm_ | ranix: boot a netbsd kernel with qemu maybe, and let it use file as a hard disk |
| 13:34.13 | Pappa | any tool that lets me grep a file for hex values? |
| 13:34.19 | doleyb | ranix: there are bsd livecds, right? |
| 13:34.28 | ranix | doleyb, that is a damn good idea |
| 13:34.33 | ranix | I'll check it out |
| 13:34.34 | Pappa | like hexrep 0x74 foo.bar |
| 13:34.35 | jm_ | Pappa: od or xxd + grep |
| 13:34.42 | Pappa | okay |
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| 13:36.41 | ranix | doleyb, yeah, found something called Breesbie |
| 13:36.45 | ranix | Freesbie even |
| 13:36.54 | ranix | I'm gonna go monkey with this for awhile |
| 13:37.18 | takatumi | no aerobie? |
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| 13:39.18 | DebizillA | could anyone please help me out with a java problem under firefox? |
| 13:40.09 | teknomaniac | i have problem with java in mozilla ,too;/ |
| 13:40.09 | takatumi | DebizillA: try the mailing lists maybe. |
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| 13:40.35 | Pappa | xxd was genious |
| 13:40.58 | DebizillA | takatumi: well i thought it was more like i am missing something out, i mean feels like it's not a really major problem |
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| 13:41.23 | takatumi | DebizillA: missing a spanking for using java. |
| 13:41.35 | DebizillA | takatumi: maybe not understanding the reason of the problems |
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| 13:41.40 | DebizillA | takatumi: how do you mean? |
| 13:41.55 | sdogi | well, i'm stuck thats for sure, in kde i can nicely set my keyboard layout, where is it done in fluxbox in example? is there some universal way for X or something? |
| 13:41.55 | takatumi | DebizillA: just kidding :) |
| 13:42.00 | DebizillA | :) |
| 13:42.04 | sdogi | my keyboard is nice in console but not in X |
| 13:42.36 | DebizillA | takatumi: are you by any chance experienced with java and firefox? |
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| 13:43.01 | jm_ | what java problems? |
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| 13:43.32 | takatumi | DebizillA: firefox a little bit, java no. |
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| 13:43.52 | DebizillA | jm_: well the thing is, the applets wont load, but i do have java installed, and yes it's enabled in preferences |
| 13:44.03 | jm_ | DebizillA: what page? |
| 13:44.18 | sdogi | actually i found the problem already |
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| 13:44.57 | DebizillA | jm_: well different stuff really, if you know deviantart.com, it has a chat client built in, it doesnt work there for example, won't load... it also happens in other places with different applications |
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| 13:45.24 | DebizillA | but i have seen it working, for example 1 am this morning, it was working on this other page, which doesnt work now |
| 13:45.27 | DebizillA | quite annoying |
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| 13:46.19 | jm_ | DebizillA: where on the page is it? |
| 13:46.38 | DebizillA | what do you mena? |
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| 13:46.46 | takatumi | DebizillA: the damn chat client. |
| 13:47.15 | DebizillA | well it should be available on the main page i suppose... |
| 13:47.25 | takatumi | DebizillA: nope. |
| 13:47.26 | jm_ | it's not ;) |
| 13:47.31 | DebizillA | try this link http://chat.deviantart.com |
| 13:48.16 | jm_ | it keeps loading here |
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| 13:48.55 | jm_ | this page doesn't seem to work, try finding another one |
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| 13:50.23 | DebizillA | jm_: it uses the "mozilla extension" plugin, then it says, it's not installed... tries java, then says "inaccessable from javascript, didnt load"... tries flash; "couldn't access javascript" |
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| 13:50.44 | jm_ | DebizillA: not here, it tries to connect some s*.deviantart.com host and never succeeds |
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| 13:51.05 | DebizillA | are you a DA member btw? |
| 13:51.10 | jm_ | no |
| 13:51.31 | DebizillA | jm_: that might be the reason actually |
| 13:51.50 | jm_ | DebizillA: could be, well java works for me in general, I just wanted to check with one of your sites |
| 13:52.11 | DebizillA | well let's try something we both can access |
| 13:52.19 | DebizillA | yahoo games central for ex.. |
| 13:52.35 | jm_ | do you have URL handy? |
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| 13:53.00 | DebizillA | http://games.yahoo.com/games/login2?page=po |
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| 13:53.52 | jm_ | yeah it seems to work |
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| 13:54.06 | jm_ | connected to a poker game |
| 13:54.20 | DebizillA | i tried to open a poker table, i am just seeing the nice gray screen |
| 13:54.20 | jm_ | but I have to run now, sorry ;) |
| 13:54.32 | DebizillA | jm_: ah well, thnx anyways :S |
| 13:54.37 | jm_ | I'll be here again tomorrow |
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| 13:55.35 | ep | does java run everywhere? |
| 13:55.37 | takatumi | DebizillA: hmm, it doesn't work here either.. :) |
| 13:55.40 | light_punch2 | which app will allow me to take the signal in line-in of sound card, and play it on my speakers? |
| 13:56.08 | DebizillA | takatumi: u seemed to know dAmn |
| 13:56.19 | DebizillA | takatumi: are u by any chance a DA user? |
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| 13:56.36 | ep | dpkg has a funny line about java, I forgot it |
| 13:56.48 | Pappa | light_punch2: to use your pc as a microphone amplifier? |
| 13:57.24 | light_punch2 | Pappa, as a radio. i have radio signal going into line-in |
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| 13:57.41 | takatumi | DebizillA: no. |
| 13:57.42 | Pappa | same concept |
| 13:57.51 | DebizillA | hmm |
| 13:58.10 | light_punch2 | so which app is good? |
| 13:58.26 | light_punch2 | a light weight one would be nice |
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| 13:58.53 | takatumi | !tell DebizillA -about java-package |
| 13:58.55 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart certain OS's which rely on broadcasts too much |
| 13:59.28 | Pappa | thought liveice was that kind off app, but.. meh |
| 14:00.56 | light_punch2 | Pappa, hm.. u know of *nix-basic utilities that will do that? |
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| 14:01.20 | light_punch2 | i have xmms but ... |
| 14:02.34 | directhex|work | shouldn't it just work, if you have the inputs unmuted? |
| 14:02.43 | directhex|work | can't remember |
| 14:02.49 | Pappa | hmm |
| 14:02.58 | light_punch2 | nope |
| 14:03.00 | Pappa | it should yes |
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| 14:04.34 | Pappa | light_punch2: works here. |
| 14:04.45 | Pappa | through microphone. |
| 14:05.04 | Unskill3d | my debian crashes sometimes with blender. where can i find the last log? i only know about dmesg in /var/log/ |
| 14:05.06 | Pappa | mute the line-in for recording and turn it on for playback |
| 14:05.33 | chaps0063 | hi, I am having trouble installing debian on my machine. I get an error saying that there is an unknown IDE controller and then the install hangs there, any thoughts? |
| 14:05.42 | light_punch2 | Pappa, hm.. what's the path to get to turn microphone on? |
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| 14:05.53 | Pappa | /var/log/messages, Unskill3d ? =/ |
| 14:06.00 | Pappa | light_punch2: try alsamixer |
| 14:06.16 | light_punch2 | Pappa, didn't work with alsamixer |
| 14:06.26 | Pappa | very wierd |
| 14:06.30 | light_punch2 | i crank line-in all the way, heard nothing |
| 14:06.49 | Pappa | Item: Line [Off] .. right? |
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| 14:08.09 | light_punch2 | nope, it's on |
| 14:08.26 | light_punch2 | when dual boot into windows, sound works fine. |
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| 14:09.02 | Pappa | make sure you turned "Line-in as Center/LFE" off aswell.. |
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| 14:09.34 | light_punch2 | wait... do i hit enter to turn on? |
| 14:09.51 | fairway | hi all. I registered a .net domain. is it possible to point it on my dyndns.org domain? |
| 14:09.56 | light_punch2 | i can adjust the height of the bars |
| 14:10.09 | Rez | fairway: ask dyndns.org |
| 14:10.12 | doleyb | light_punch2: is there M at the bottoms? |
| 14:10.19 | doleyb | don't let there be M |
| 14:10.42 | Pappa | light_punch2: no, you hit "M" |
| 14:10.46 | light_punch2 | it's 00 |
| 14:10.49 | Pappa | the m-button on your keyboard |
| 14:11.01 | directhex|work | fairway, that depends on the control you have over the domain, really. |
| 14:11.10 | Pappa | the line-in as center should be MM at the bottom |
| 14:11.28 | fairway | directhex|work: full. |
| 14:11.35 | fairway | directhex|work: I registered at domainbank.net |
| 14:11.43 | Pappa | or maybe, "Line-in as surround". |
| 14:11.53 | light_punch2 | i just turned on everything on the mixer, still no sound |
| 14:11.59 | directhex|work | fairway, full as in you can manually edit the dns hosts file? |
| 14:12.19 | doleyb | light_punch2: you sure you both raised the bars, and removed MM? |
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| 14:12.26 | directhex|work | oh yeah that's probably it. well done Pappa that's stabbed me in the ass more than once |
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| 14:12.45 | light_punch2 | doleyb, everything except 'master' cause there is no control for that one. |
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| 14:13.27 | fairway | directhex|work: yes |
| 14:13.31 | Rez | fairway: that's not a #debian question |
| 14:13.56 | Pappa | turn off line-in as surrond |
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| 14:14.00 | fairway | Rez: yes but where to ask |
| 14:14.10 | Rez | fairway: dyndns.org |
| 14:14.17 | takatumi | fairway: mail them |
| 14:15.04 | sep | fairway: you want to setup a CNAME poiting to your dyndns hostname, and set your timeouts as low as possible in your .net config and if you swap ip a lot it will still be wrong |
| 14:15.05 | light_punch2 | ah... i have to turn "line-in" off, and turn "line" on and everything else on, for it to work. |
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| 14:15.42 | Pappa | light_punch2: does it work? |
| 14:15.43 | Pappa | =/ |
| 14:15.51 | light_punch2 | yes!! |
| 14:15.58 | Pappa | :) |
| 14:15.59 | takatumi | \o/ |
| 14:16.10 | Pappa | ANALOG RADIO!!! :D |
| 14:16.12 | light_punch2 | \0/ |
| 14:16.15 | light_punch2 | =) |
| 14:16.40 | sep | fairway: actualy ignore the part about the timeouts, just make a cname that points to your dyndns host and you should be fine |
| 14:16.42 | fairway | sep: thanks very much |
| 14:16.44 | light_punch2 | it's actually it's actually TV channels, not radio yet. |
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| 14:17.04 | Pappa | i remember i had hell with my tv card's sound driver, and figured out i could just connect the line-out on the card to the sound cards line-in. |
| 14:17.07 | light_punch2 | need to find a way to hook up radio into mic-in one day. |
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| 14:17.30 | Pappa | you only have one line-in ? |
| 14:17.48 | light_punch2 | well, i have line-in and mic-in on sound card |
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| 14:18.21 | light_punch2 | but the line-in on sound card does not correspond to line-in on software, software recognize it as 'line' not 'line-in' |
| 14:18.33 | stew | mic in is likely to only be a one channel input, not stereo |
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| 16:03.16 | ruzbeh | valdyn, I can't change the font GDM uses, but I can change the theme, I did all the font changing in the graphical greeters xml file but I can't change the system font |
| 16:03.16 | valdyn | ruzbeh: that might be because gdm has its own menu to select themes |
| 16:03.21 | abrotman | felipe_: like .. dhcp ? |
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| 16:03.33 | felipe_ | abrotman Dunno :( |
| 16:03.39 | ruzbeh | valdyn, yeah, but what about the fonts, can't change 'm |
| 16:03.41 | abrotman | ok .. well that helps |
| 16:03.43 | felipe_ | abrotman is it? |
| 16:04.05 | abrotman | felipe_: that's part of it . afaik .. XP constantly requests dhcp addresses |
| 16:04.14 | abrotman | until it gets one anyways |
| 16:04.17 | felipe_ | abrotman they just plug the cable and open the browser and everything is fine |
| 16:04.34 | abrotman | felipe_: that's dhcp .. but XP constantly polls for dhcp afaik .. |
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| 16:04.57 | felipe_ | abrotman is linux like that? |
| 16:04.57 | valdyn | ruzbeh: i suspect you would have to edit the theme then directly |
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| 16:05.24 | abrotman | felipe_: hrm .. dunno .. never tried .. always plugged in before it starts i guess .. if not .. you could write a simple script to do it |
| 16:05.26 | ruzbeh | valdyn, the theme itself is just fine, I just need to change the font |
| 16:06.21 | marowiliams | ...ciao sep remember my problem yestarday?? ..was caused by the ISP that has limited my connection in download at 128kps !!!! |
| 16:06.36 | marowiliams | now it's all right |
| 16:06.49 | felipe_ | abrotman ow ok!!! thx :-D |
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| 16:10.19 | nix000 | petemc, thanks dude |
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| 16:11.14 | abrotman | no and then! |
| 16:11.15 | Rebecca | hi. im trying to get an onboard via s3 unichrome graphics card working with X. ive tried generic vga and s3 drivers but neither work. is there a way i can auto detect it or something? |
| 16:11.25 | petemc | Rebecca: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 16:11.29 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 16:11.29 | dpkg | it has been said that unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. |
| 16:11.31 | dvs | Rebecca: Have you tried vesa? |
| 16:11.41 | Rebecca | dvs: nope |
| 16:11.50 | dvs | Rebecca: I'd try that. |
| 16:12.04 | tarzeau | takatumi: i'm in world 6! |
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| 16:12.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: can't you just be in this world for a bit? |
| 16:12.21 | Rebecca | dvs: ill give it a try :) |
| 16:12.30 | dvs | Rebecca: OK |
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| 16:13.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: this game is so fantastic. you sure don't want to play it also? |
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| 16:13.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: enigma? |
| 16:13.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: Maze of Galious: http://www.msxnet.org/konami/mog/ |
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| 16:14.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: the graphis on the page are the originals. i have free graphics, that are much better |
| 16:14.12 | Rebecca | dvs: is it possible to auto detect the mouse? im using a ps2 mouse but it isnt recognising it |
| 16:14.16 | control-c | What is a cluster in a network? |
| 16:14.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: do you have a PS2? |
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| 16:14.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mog/ |
| 16:14.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have a PS1 and wipeout3 |
| 16:14.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: hrm ... |
| 16:14.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: look it's just not the same, 3d games can be so bad. i love nethack |
| 16:14.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i also like this game |
| 16:14.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/244442.asp |
| 16:15.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: i love that series :) |
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| 16:15.45 | dabreegs1er | I compiled in bootsplash into a 2.6.8 kernel and everything went smoothly. When I booted, though, it was just the framebuffer, no image. I tried using the command 'splash -s -f /etc/bootsplash/themes/current/config/bootsplash-640x480.cfg >> /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8' as specified and rebooted. Nothing. I added 'splash=silent' at the end of the 'kernel' line in GRUB. Dmesg said 'bootsplash: silent.' that's all. |
| 16:15.47 | dvs | Rebecca: I'm not sure how do autodetect a mouse. I'd just load the PS/2 mouse driver |
| 16:16.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm so getting that :) |
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| 16:16.29 | dabreegs1er | When I try splash -u 1 -s /etc/bootsplash/themes/current/config/bootsplash-640x480.cfg, I get /proc/splash: No such file or directory. |
| 16:16.44 | abrotman | not in debian |
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| 16:17.17 | Rebecca | dvs: i have |
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| 16:18.25 | dvs | Rebecca: Which driver and which kernel. |
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| 16:19.47 | morgajelWork | is there a weekly Debian Newsletter of some sort? |
| 16:19.58 | resiak | !dwn |
| 16:19.59 | dpkg | Debian Weekly News at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to debian-news-request@lists.debian.org |
| 16:19.59 | dvs | morgajelWork: Yesh |
| 16:20.31 | Rebecca | driver = 'mouse', kernel = '2.6.8-10-amd64-k8' |
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| 16:20.50 | morgajelWork | dvs: any chance there's an RSS feed for it? |
| 16:21.02 | dvs | morgajelWork: don't know |
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| 16:21.15 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.24 | fritz[] | hi |
| 16:21.26 | morgajelWork | dvs: I haven't found one yet, but I'm looking |
| 16:21.28 | fritz[] | need help plz |
| 16:21.31 | BenDrake | anyone know what 'Damn Small Linux' is based off of? |
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| 16:21.40 | fritz[] | does apache support this : multiple ssl enabled domains on a unique ip address ? I've tried on apache channel, but no response |
| 16:22.05 | nevyn | I don't believe it does. |
| 16:22.21 | BenDrake | or is it its own distro. |
| 16:22.31 | nevyn | but I'm not an apache expert. |
| 16:22.52 | dvs | Rebecca: Try "modprobe mousedev" |
| 16:22.56 | resiak | morgajelWork: http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user.news # Unofficial. |
| 16:22.57 | ruzbeh | how do i change the system font in gdm, anyone? |
| 16:22.59 | dvs | Rebecca: as root |
| 16:23.13 | imachine | is there something for debian like there is for freebsd freshports.org ? |
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| 16:23.22 | imachine | so i can browse all possibly available deb's ? |
| 16:23.33 | imachine | i want to know what is OUT there. |
| 16:23.34 | abrotman | imachine: like .. packages.debian.org ? |
| 16:23.35 | fritz[] | nevyn: ok, thank you... Is there some solution for it? |
| 16:23.39 | imachine | abrotman: hmm maybe? |
| 16:23.49 | abrotman | imachine: or aptitude or dselect .. |
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| 16:23.55 | Rebecca | dvs: ok.. it didnt output anything |
| 16:23.57 | sobersabre | which app can be able to create a playlist with programmable fades to make something like a recorded dj set ? |
| 16:24.05 | abrotman | imachine: or your available file |
| 16:24.17 | imachine | yea. should i use unstable ? |
| 16:24.20 | abrotman | no |
| 16:24.23 | dvs | Rebecca: Good, hopefully it should work. |
| 16:24.24 | abrotman | not if you're asking about it |
| 16:24.31 | abrotman | you'll know when it is time :) |
| 16:24.36 | imachine | abrotman: heh. |
| 16:24.36 | BenDrake | use stable |
| 16:24.42 | imachine | stable is old. |
| 16:24.45 | imachine | i use sarge. |
| 16:24.51 | abrotman | point at sarge |
| 16:24.53 | imachine | so i can just as well use unstable. |
| 16:24.59 | abrotman | imachine: no y |
| 16:25.00 | abrotman | no |
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| 16:25.07 | imachine | ? no ?. |
| 16:25.12 | chealer | imachine: why would you use unstable? |
| 16:25.13 | abrotman | imachine: if you're not well versed in dpkg/apt .. don't use unstable .. |
| 16:25.21 | imachine | chealer: since its most recent? |
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| 16:25.26 | BenDrake | y would you want to use unstable.. its called unstable for a reason |
| 16:25.29 | abrotman | imachine: if you're not well versed in dpkg/apt .. don't use unstable .. |
| 16:25.37 | kneet | alsa question (just something I've been wondering about). Have xmms playing at the moment. Have also gaim, sjphone and a couple of others with sound disabled - since if I enable them then xmms complains Sound device in use. FAQ/RFTM pointers to how to get them to play a little better together? |
| 16:25.37 | abrotman | BenDrake: you're spreading FUD |
| 16:25.40 | imachine | s/y/why ? |
| 16:25.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:25.44 | nevyn | imachine: apt-get.org |
| 16:25.47 | abrotman | he also talks like an idiot |
| 16:25.49 | imachine | nevyn: checked it out. |
| 16:25.55 | BenDrake | FUD? |
| 16:25.55 | lrojas | what is the size limit for files in linux? i just had my tar -czvf produce a file 6.5 GB long... |
| 16:26.00 | chealer | nevyn: he's using sarge |
| 16:26.01 | dvs | kneet: Make XMMS use ALSA instead of OSS |
| 16:26.06 | firstknight | Hi, I try to install grub to floppy... grub-install /dev/fd0..... The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 16:26.08 | resiak | lrojas: Depends on the filesystem. |
| 16:26.12 | nevyn | imachine: but most of the good stuff is in things like dpkg. (marilat etc) |
| 16:26.12 | abrotman | BenDrake: are you even running debian? |
| 16:26.18 | morgajelWork | thanks resiak |
| 16:26.23 | imachine | chealer: apt-get.org doesnt really work for me on sarge. |
| 16:26.23 | BenDrake | no.... :( |
| 16:26.25 | nevyn | not that marilat's good it's just really useful. |
| 16:26.25 | resiak | morgajelWork: No problem. Useful for me too :) |
| 16:26.28 | BenDrake | lol, yes |
| 16:26.30 | imachine | chealer: most packages dont work right. |
| 16:26.31 | kneet | xmms plugin reads "ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin [libALSA.so] |
| 16:26.34 | abrotman | lrojas: depends on filesystem/kernel etc .. no clear answer |
| 16:26.35 | nevyn | imachine: run sid. live on the edge. |
| 16:26.40 | imachine | nevyn: huh? |
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| 16:26.43 | imachine | nevyn: sid? |
| 16:26.50 | abrotman | oh god |
| 16:26.52 | imachine | nevyn: i dont want to fuck the system up. |
| 16:26.52 | chealer | imachine: indeed. ignore nevyn's advice on that |
| 16:26.54 | nevyn | imachine: :) |
| 16:26.54 | abrotman | imachine: don't run sid |
| 16:27.00 | imachine | LOL. |
| 16:27.02 | aliase | http://www.wonkette.com/politics/funny-pictures/austrian-for-bubba-037646.php |
| 16:27.02 | chealer | imachine: apt-get.org is for stable |
| 16:27.07 | Rebecca | dvs: it's still not working.. when i run startx it displays a page of randomish pixels for a second then dies |
| 16:27.08 | abrotman | chealer: no it's not |
| 16:27.12 | imachine | can someone fucking tell me WHAT is right or wrong ;] |
| 16:27.12 | dambodog | hi, is there a way to write to machines at the same time (setting up a cluster)? |
| 16:27.14 | imachine | this is messy :D |
| 16:27.21 | imachine | i dont understand who of you is joking. |
| 16:27.21 | abrotman | imachine: run sarge for now .. |
| 16:27.23 | nevyn | imachine: sid works.. most of the time. |
| 16:27.26 | imachine | im not using linux at all. |
| 16:27.29 | dambodog | what should i use for the cluster? |
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| 16:27.31 | nevyn | imachine: my desktop uses sid. |
| 16:27.36 | imachine | its the first time i decided i ant to learn debian. |
| 16:27.39 | imachine | sid. |
| 16:27.40 | imachine | okay. |
| 16:27.41 | abrotman | imachine: really .. sarge .. and i'm not joking .. if you're new to debian .. run sarge |
| 16:27.44 | imachine | how do i obtain sid. |
| 16:27.48 | abrotman | holy mother of fucking god |
| 16:27.51 | abrotman | !ig |
| 16:27.51 | dpkg | methinks ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 16:27.52 | nevyn | that's probably a good move actually |
| 16:27.52 | abrotman | see that |
| 16:27.57 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 16:27.57 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 16:27.58 | resiak | imachine: If you have to ask how to obtain sid, you should not use sid. |
| 16:27.58 | dvs | Rebecca: What does your /var/log/XFree86.0.log say? Look for (EE) |
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| 16:28.07 | resiak | imachine: Seriously, PLEASE. Use Sarge. |
| 16:28.08 | abrotman | nevyn: and stop fucking telling him that |
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| 16:28.16 | imachine | LOL. |
| 16:28.20 | abrotman | god damnit .. |
| 16:28.21 | imachine | you have fun scripts. |
| 16:28.22 | imachine | :] |
| 16:28.26 | nevyn | abrotman: I just agreed that running sarge was a good move. |
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| 16:28.33 | abrotman | we've got newbs who can't figure out stable .. and he's telling him to run unstable |
| 16:28.35 | imachine | i dont want to get advice like. waht to do. |
| 16:28.37 | nevyn | but I figgure if he's done freebsd he could cope. |
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| 16:28.46 | abrotman | nevyn: assume .. bad |
| 16:28.46 | chealer | abrotman: ok |
| 16:28.48 | imachine | i would like to prefer to obtain information from you guys. |
| 16:28.55 | imachine | about the differences between these dists. |
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| 16:29.00 | imachine | sid and theo ther one. |
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| 16:29.03 | abrotman | imachine: sarge? |
| 16:29.14 | nevyn | imachine: sid does break. things sometimes don't work. |
| 16:29.25 | nevyn | sarge is fine for a desktop but doesn't have security updates. |
| 16:29.27 | abrotman | imachine: sid is unstable .. mostly for developers and people good at debian .. if you're not in that group .. please don't run it |
| 16:29.32 | resiak | nevyn: Nor does Sid. |
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| 16:29.46 | visual_ | hey |
| 16:29.48 | nevyn | resiak: it get's fixes faster than sarge tho. |
| 16:29.49 | visual_ | anyone know |
| 16:29.57 | visual_ | s how to change clock on debian, running xfree86? |
| 16:30.06 | resiak | nevyn: New version != fix. But I know what you're saying. |
| 16:30.06 | abrotman | !tell visual_ about ntp |
| 16:30.11 | nevyn | resiak: because there's no artificial restriction on them going through |
| 16:30.16 | schelm | visual_, with date |
| 16:30.34 | chealer | imachine: if you use sid, you're the first to use new versions, so you can get very broken stuff |
| 16:30.35 | nevyn | visual_: the xserver has nothing to do with the date. |
| 16:30.47 | nevyn | sigh... |
| 16:30.58 | nevyn | UNSTABLE refers to the packaging not the software people. |
| 16:31.02 | abrotman | chealer: apt-get.org has sources for all parts of debian .. stable/testing/unstable .. just not for each source |
| 16:31.08 | BenDrake | ooh, lmao. |
| 16:31.10 | abrotman | nevyn: yes .. which CAN STILL BREAK |
| 16:31.10 | BenDrake | :)_ |
| 16:31.17 | nevyn | abrotman: I said it can break. |
| 16:31.24 | visual_ | abrotman: how to use that ntp? |
| 16:31.26 | abrotman | nevyn: would you let your mom run unstable ? |
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| 16:31.29 | BenDrake | well, I was 49% right |
| 16:31.29 | Rebecca | dvs: (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/mouse No such file or directory. (EE) Mouse1: cannot open input device (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Mouse1" |
| 16:31.30 | nevyn | but it's usually packaging that breaks. |
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| 16:31.36 | abrotman | visual_: the factoid explains it |
| 16:31.40 | nevyn | not a piece of software. |
| 16:31.42 | abrotman | nevyn: it's still broken |
| 16:31.47 | abrotman | broken is broken |
| 16:31.47 | dbron | hi all, what is the screen command to be able to do aclchg, I tried crtl-a but that doesn't seem to be it, there is crtl for command mode |
| 16:31.48 | bam | just point him to debian.org, he said he just wants info on the differences |
| 16:31.50 | abrotman | yellow is yellow |
| 16:31.52 | chealer | imachine: basically, by using sarge, you avoid most of the problems you could get because some people (sid users) already tested the packages |
| 16:31.53 | nevyn | abrotman: I shipped unstable systems as desktops for a long time. |
| 16:31.56 | nevyn | and they worked. |
| 16:31.59 | chealer | abrotman: ok |
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| 16:32.02 | abrotman | nevyn: i'm glad i didn't buy one from you |
| 16:32.03 | dvs | Rebecca: The mouse should be "/dev/input/mice" |
| 16:32.08 | sobersabre | dambodog, what were u asking ? |
| 16:32.11 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:32.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:32.12 | visual_ | abrotman: ah got it |
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| 16:32.17 | chealer | nevyn: me too |
| 16:32.21 | nevyn | sigh. |
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| 16:32.51 | abrotman | nevyn: your expertise and his are two different levels .. don't tell him that sid is perfectly safe to run unless you will be here when he comes back with a broken sid |
| 16:32.52 | bnoji | Is anyone familiar with Dell rack servers? |
| 16:32.59 | abrotman | bnoji: #hardware ? |
| 16:33.04 | bnoji | ok |
| 16:33.06 | chealer | imachine: when you want, you can get certain unstable packages on sarge |
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| 16:33.17 | Rebecca | dvs: you fixed it! thanks :) |
| 16:33.22 | chealer | !tell imachine about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 16:33.31 | abrotman | jeesus .. |
| 16:33.32 | nevyn | we did internal q/a on a sid snapshot and installed that for the next several weeks. we also did training of people reciving the computers to be able to do normal tasks |
| 16:33.35 | dvs | Rebecca: Just out of curiosity what does "ls -l /dev/mouse" say? |
| 16:33.39 | nevyn | se http://www.computerbank.org.au/ |
| 16:33.40 | abrotman | give him all the ways to fuck up his box |
| 16:33.42 | imachine | okay guys thanks. |
| 16:33.46 | imachine | *thanks* |
| 16:33.47 | imachine | ;] |
| 16:33.51 | abrotman | why can't he just run sarge? |
| 16:33.52 | Rebecca | ice:~# ls -l /dev/mouse |
| 16:33.53 | Rebecca | ls: /dev/mouse: No such file or directory |
| 16:33.57 | abrotman | just sarge .. not some mix .. |
| 16:34.01 | BenDrake | can i throw a linux dist on my mac? |
| 16:34.03 | chealer | abrotman: well, he could be tempted |
| 16:34.08 | imachine | please the dpkg thing messaging priv is VERY annoying. |
| 16:34.08 | imachine | :] |
| 16:34.10 | nevyn | BenDrake: sure. debian. |
| 16:34.11 | abrotman | chealer: then he should come back and ask then |
| 16:34.12 | dvs | Rebecca: Thought so. Good luck. |
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| 16:34.17 | Rebecca | thanks :) |
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| 16:34.23 | chealer | yes |
| 16:34.24 | abrotman | imachine: until you know how .. or need to . run sarge |
| 16:34.38 | dvs | Rebecca: Oh. put mousedev in your /etc/modules file |
| 16:34.50 | BenDrake | go 'way! I recon I cant use my sarge disk eh |
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| 16:35.06 | abrotman | !tell BenDrake about ppc |
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| 16:35.39 | BenDrake | lmao! I like what dpkg has to say about powerpc.. rofl! |
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| 16:36.20 | abrotman | BenDrake: are you really running debian or some derivitive? |
| 16:36.27 | nevyn | what is with uni's and lame unix setups. |
| 16:36.40 | abrotman | what would you prefer? |
| 16:36.45 | resiak | Sarge! |
| 16:36.47 | abrotman | sid at your uni? |
| 16:36.48 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:36.53 | BenDrake | yeah, sarge |
| 16:36.58 | BenDrake | 2.6 |
| 16:37.04 | BenDrake | kernel i mean |
| 16:37.05 | nevyn | abrotman: bash. |
| 16:37.17 | abrotman | nevyn: compile it yourself? |
| 16:37.20 | nevyn | abrotman: less lame aliases. |
| 16:37.27 | abrotman | nevyn: which OS is it?> |
| 16:37.29 | nevyn | abrotman: being able to chsh |
| 16:37.49 | nevyn | abrotman: solaris for the primary student box. |
| 16:37.56 | BenDrake | abrotman, I installed licoris as well... jff |
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| 16:38.05 | nevyn | abrotman: and a couple of fc3 boxen to build and install apache2 and php on |
| 16:38.15 | abrotman | nevyn: nothing wrong with solaris .. i'm surprised they don't have bash installed .. and are you sure it's tcsh and not just csh ? |
| 16:38.28 | BenDrake | lycoris |
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| 16:38.41 | nevyn | bash is installed.. but can't chsh could do some hacky workaround to exec bash on login tho |
| 16:38.51 | Rebecca | dvs: ok |
| 16:39.03 | BenDrake | have you ever run debian on a g3/333 tho? |
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| 16:39.04 | abrotman | nevyn: change your gecos(i have no solaris box left to check if that works) |
| 16:39.05 | resiak | nevyn: Couldn't you do some hacky workaround to exec bash on login in a dotfile or two. |
| 16:39.13 | BadMan | man i still can not get x to not blank and go to screen saver.... man xfree86 aint helping me... I mustnot have the syntax or something right |
| 16:39.20 | resiak | BenDrake: I've run Debian on a 300MHz x86 box. |
| 16:39.21 | nevyn | resiak: like I said.. hacky workaround |
| 16:39.25 | resiak | nevyn: :) |
| 16:39.44 | dabreegster | BenDrake: I've run sarge on a 133Mhz 386 :-P |
| 16:39.47 | abrotman | nevyn: i thought there was a userland command to change your own shell |
| 16:39.48 | BenDrake | w/xserv |
| 16:39.51 | nevyn | for people who confuse root with bitch here to ruin your life. |
| 16:39.52 | abrotman | dabreegster: 486! |
| 16:39.59 | nevyn | abrotman: yeah chsh |
| 16:40.11 | abrotman | nevyn: another one i mean |
| 16:40.12 | nevyn | abrotman: it's been "disabled" |
| 16:40.15 | resiak | BenDrake: Yes. |
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| 16:40.48 | BenDrake | man alive |
| 16:41.02 | abrotman | my 486 doesn't run X now .. it used to |
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| 16:41.12 | BadMan | is there a line in the xfree86 conf that tells the xserver to blank,...? |
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| 16:41.39 | nevyn | thing is the fc3 boxes have been "fixed" to suck just as much as solaris ;) |
| 16:42.07 | abrotman | nevyn: you mean .. security? |
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| 16:42.19 | daisuki | badman, you use the xset command to set that |
| 16:42.28 | citral | does solaris suck? |
| 16:42.31 | nevyn | abrotman: more annoying... |
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| 16:42.43 | BenDrake | i installed linspire the other day, and man its a RAM pig... |
| 16:42.47 | aidehua | What's the dpkg factoid that gets used when people ask "can anyone recommend a package that does foo?"? |
| 16:42.51 | BadMan | daisuki: for the life of me I can not get it to stop blanking and run the screen saver.... |
| 16:42.53 | resiak | !polls |
| 16:42.53 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 16:43.03 | abrotman | nevyn: like a locked down box? .. nothing wrong with that at all .. you just don't like thier setttings .. get over it .. you're not the admin :) |
| 16:43.06 | nevyn | citral: it's userland is less.. good than linux in my experience. it exports dodgy terminfo to putty |
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| 16:43.21 | nevyn | abrotman: nah just wierd crap. |
| 16:43.21 | lidocaine | solaris is fun and crazy but kind of a security annoyance if you don't know what you're doing, and totally strange if you only know linux. |
| 16:43.25 | nevyn | like the shell thing |
| 16:43.33 | lidocaine | and solaris keyboards can be a horrid thing |
| 16:43.36 | abrotman | nevyn: like i said .. you don't like thier defaults .. either get the admin fired .. or deal with it :) |
| 16:43.36 | citral | I saw solaris give their last version for free... |
| 16:43.52 | abrotman | nevyn: i had to use AIX at my uni .. and the guy did everything IBM told him to .. it sucked :) |
| 16:44.01 | nevyn | :( |
| 16:44.03 | mooded | hi all... anybody knows a debianized dns-relay agent ? (meaning in debian repositories...) .. if not, anybody knows other solutions for dns-relaying ? |
| 16:44.13 | daisuki | badman, xset q # and see what blanking settings are in effect |
| 16:44.19 | abrotman | mooded: like a caching dns server? |
| 16:44.21 | aidehua | dpkg: please destroy Jamie Oliver |
| 16:44.33 | nevyn | lidocaine: so tell me how do you find how many cpu's are in a solaris box? |
| 16:44.46 | abrotman | nevyn: i actually used to know this |
| 16:44.54 | citral | dpkg: please |
| 16:44.55 | dpkg | Do I look like an information bitch, citral? |
| 16:44.55 | abrotman | it's uhm .. psinfo .. wait .. tha'ts not right |
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| 16:44.57 | mooded | abrotman, well to transparently use the real dns-server (assigned through dsl-dialup) .. and setting a fix ip on the clients. |
| 16:45.11 | abrotman | nevyn: if you ask me at night(EST) . i have documents at home |
| 16:45.13 | BadMan | daisuki: 2 lines: prefer blanking: yes allow exposures: yes |
| 16:45.13 | BadMan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:45.24 | mooded | abrotman, so the _caching_ itself isnt important.. |
| 16:45.26 | lidocaine | nevyn: i've worked on 1-way sparcs up to 4-ways. |
| 16:45.40 | daisuki | badman, xset s noblank # maybe |
| 16:45.40 | abrotman | mooded: doesn't make sense |
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| 16:45.56 | mooded | abrotman, cause of my bad english or the principe ? |
| 16:46.01 | BadMan | Ill try anything right now I hate it blanking... |
| 16:46.03 | abrotman | mooded: the principal |
| 16:46.05 | abrotman | ple |
| 16:46.06 | nevyn | lidocaine: yes.. that's nice.. how do you find how many cpu's are in a box.. running top and picking the highest number is a little unscientific :) |
| 16:46.31 | Rennegade | nevyn: open the case and count? |
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| 16:46.56 | nevyn | Rennegade: that requires.. being A> onsite.. B> getting access to the box. |
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| 16:47.04 | mooded | abrotman, why ? you got a router, that connects via dsl to the inet.. if u use different dial-up connections, you get different name-servers assigned.. and therefore, if u dont want to set up an own dns-server, a dns-relay agent might be quite useful |
| 16:47.05 | abrotman | nevyn: mpstat ? |
| 16:47.13 | nevyn | c> not getting chucked in jail when the intrusion switch turns the box off. |
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| 16:47.32 | nevyn | abrotman: hrm I'll try that. |
| 16:47.40 | bahamat | hey guys, I need to globally set nofile to a higher value for all users so that when a user logs in he doesn't need to alter it manually |
| 16:47.43 | abrotman | nevyn: oh wait .. i found it .. prtdiag -v |
| 16:47.47 | lidocaine | nevyn: you can try kstat as well (old but works) |
| 16:47.48 | nevyn | abrotman: it's not even my uni/accout/etc |
| 16:47.59 | BadMan | daisuki: shows "prefer blanking" as NO now, is that permanent or is ther someplace else I need to change that? |
| 16:47.59 | nevyn | was helping a friend with his applied science course.. |
| 16:48.00 | abrotman | or psrinfo |
| 16:48.04 | abrotman | nevyn: or psrinfo |
| 16:48.19 | mooded | well. thanks in any case.. |
| 16:48.23 | Rennegade | nevyn: Definatley sounds like a black ops mission. Ok we'll need some smoke grenades, stun darts, duct tape, and 3 lbs of pears |
| 16:48.39 | abrotman | nevyn: try any of those three .. i'm not sure what each returns .. but i do remember psrinfo from sol7 |
| 16:48.46 | nevyn | Rennegade: or we could just work out how to do it in software. |
| 16:48.56 | bahamat | anybody know how to change ulimit values permanently? |
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| 16:49.21 | daisuki | badman, they reset afaik, might want to add it to ~/.xsession |
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| 16:49.54 | BadMan | daisuki: ok thanks |
| 16:49.54 | abrotman | mooded: where do your machines get dns info from .. a dhcpd ? |
| 16:50.04 | oguz | hi 2 days ago, the manager of info system of Turk Telecom mailed me and asked my mobile for further info |
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| 16:50.51 | oguz | i said i might not able to give detail info about spam problem but gave the irc adress of debian channel and asked her to login here and ask you |
| 16:51.03 | oguz | this was the intro part |
| 16:51.18 | calljair | sorry guys |
| 16:51.22 | oguz | now i have question about the zombie proecess in my debian 3.0 |
| 16:51.23 | calljair | how is everybody |
| 16:51.25 | calljair | ? |
| 16:51.57 | oguz | here is the ps aux output line related with zombie, i didnt understand what it is and i tried kill -9 but still i see that process |
| 16:52.09 | oguz | oguz 6519 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 19:46 0:00 [play] <defunct> |
| 16:52.21 | oguz | can someone explain me what it is? |
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| 16:52.45 | linuxfreck | !zombie |
| 16:52.46 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 16:52.47 | abrotman | oguz: you ca'nt kill it? |
| 16:52.53 | oguz | abrotman, no |
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| 16:53.00 | abrotman | and there you have it! |
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| 16:53.10 | oguz | abrotman, i tried but still i see it as a zombie |
| 16:53.10 | abrotman | !fuck jabber.org |
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| 16:53.21 | setog3 | hello all |
| 16:54.04 | setog3 | when I connect an usb joystick , I have this error in dmesg usb 1-2: string descriptor 0 read error: -32 |
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| 16:54.16 | setog3 | what is it ? |
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| 16:55.42 | dambodog | hi, what is the best way to write to machines at the same time (setting up a cluster)? |
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| 16:57.18 | BadMan | daisuki: no .xsession file only xscreensaver (nothing that I see in it) and .xsession-errors |
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| 16:58.43 | daisuki | badman, read manpage for xsession, the section about input files |
| 16:58.52 | BadMan | ok |
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| 16:59.04 | bnoji | Ok. none in #hardware |
| 16:59.21 | bnoji | Do Dell rack chassis fit in standard racks without adapter rails? |
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| 17:02.10 | gawen | hi all, can't have my printers working with xprint, with cups it works |
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| 17:02.26 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 17:02.28 | Nacho_18 | hi =) |
| 17:02.37 | Nacho_18 | hi, what program can i use to capture a .mov streaming? :) Thank u =) |
| 17:02.45 | bnoji | Where's a good place to get telecom hardware? |
| 17:02.55 | Nacho_18 | better if its runs in console |
| 17:03.00 | elephantman | Do i need to install a "boot block" if my system is already using LILO and have multiple kernel already on it ? |
| 17:03.13 | bnoji | I need relay racks and punchdown blocks |
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| 17:03.30 | dvs | elephantman: only if you change the kernels that you want to boot |
| 17:04.07 | elephantman | dvs: well i install a new kernel so yes i will try to boot on it - but it won't be the default |
| 17:04.45 | dvs | elephantman: You still have to rerun lilo if you want to boot from it eventually |
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| 17:06.45 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 17:07.16 | abrotman | bnoji: local electrician store |
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| 17:07.22 | pucko- | anyone know of any other tool other than winscp for copying files from linux? (over ssh) |
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| 17:07.38 | abrotman | bnoji: not electronics .. electrician .. like around here it's Colonial Electric |
| 17:07.48 | abrotman | pucko-: filezilla |
| 17:08.04 | fritz[] | pucko-: any other ftp client that supports ssh (sftp) ... |
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| 17:09.04 | abrotman | bnoji: check your yellow pages for electrician supply or something |
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| 17:09.27 | fairway | hi all |
| 17:09.35 | fairway | is it possible to use thunderbird with spamassassin? |
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| 17:10.08 | pucko- | abrotman, thanks |
| 17:10.10 | dvs | fairway: IIRC, spamassassin works with your MTA (exim, postfix) and not with your mail reader. |
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| 17:10.35 | queuetue | Does anyone know what package I need to install to get emacs with an x interface (not xemacs...) |
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| 17:12.17 | mooded | abrotman, sry.. had to do smth quickly.. the clients should get the dns info from the router that is actually connecting to the internet and doing nat for the clients.. these clients dont get their ip / dns info necessarily from the router... it could also be some other machine in the same network, which isnt connected to the internet and therefore doesnt recognize dns-server changes . |
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| 17:13.10 | mooded | abrotman, some dns-relay is on every boxed dsl-router... (if there isnt a dhcpd also on) |
| 17:13.15 | grogoreo | hi |
| 17:13.25 | grogoreo | how can I close a fullscreen application? I have a game (Half Life 2 running with Cedega) and there is a problem with it. All I want to do is 'kill' it or something |
| 17:13.35 | mooded | grogoreo, strg-alt-backspace |
| 17:13.35 | sobersabre | queuetue, emacs-x11 ... i think |
| 17:13.49 | sobersabre | but you can search: apt-cache search emacs |
| 17:13.52 | grogoreo | mooded, wont that close X? |
| 17:13.59 | grogoreo | or restart |
| 17:14.00 | mooded | grogoreo, yup.. |
| 17:14.04 | Wille88_ | postconf: fatal: /etc/postfix/main.cf, line 29: missing '=' after attribute name: "smtp-amavis unix - - n - 2 smtp -o smtp_data_done_timeout = 1200 -o smtp_send_xforward_command = yes -o disable_dns_lookups = yes" |
| 17:14.17 | sobersabre | queuetue, did u get ? |
| 17:14.21 | mooded | grogoreo, you could also switch console, kill the application and probably reset resolution back to what it was in X.. |
| 17:14.21 | Wille88_ | how I what that? |
| 17:14.28 | pingouin | or try an altGr+Enter ? |
| 17:14.39 | queuetue | sobersabre, Yes, I'll check soon. thanks. |
| 17:14.49 | valdyn | grogoreo: ctrl-alt-f1, log in, "killall cedega" |
| 17:14.56 | grogoreo | ok, thanks mooded. By the way, why do people say strg instead of ctrl? |
| 17:14.59 | grogoreo | thanks valdyn |
| 17:15.11 | mooded | grogoreo, strg is german layout.. |
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| 17:15.17 | mooded | steuerung = control.. |
| 17:15.18 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | yo |
| 17:15.18 | Wille88_ | the line 29 is empty in main.cf :o |
| 17:15.21 | grogoreo | ah, i see.sorry |
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| 17:15.45 | elephantman | Do i need those "r-base*" packages ? |
| 17:15.47 | mooded | for what ? ;) |
| 17:15.50 | elephantman | I don't know what is it |
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| 17:16.05 | elephantman | And try to clean my system of unused packages |
| 17:16.19 | dvs | elephantman: deborphan |
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| 17:16.34 | Zepher | well i`m back. |
| 17:16.43 | dvs | !smite Zepher |
| 17:16.43 | elephantman | dvs: sorry but what does it mean ? |
| 17:16.52 | grogoreo | another thing, how can I view all the processes? Like in windows task manager you can view everything thats running |
| 17:16.55 | Zepher | thanks |
| 17:17.00 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | !help |
| 17:17.01 | dvs | elephantman: Get the deborphan package to find unused packages |
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| 17:17.19 | elephantman | dvs: super thanx - you are the best |
| 17:17.20 | uart | Hi everybody ! |
| 17:17.24 | oguz | grogoreo, use ps aux | less |
| 17:17.27 | dvs | elephantman: np |
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| 17:17.33 | grogoreo | oguz, thanks |
| 17:17.51 | Viry | hi |
| 17:17.52 | oguz | grogoreo, and for dynamic view use top |
| 17:17.56 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | guys, is there an basic install guide on the net somewhere ? |
| 17:18.06 | uart | How can I use pppoe dsl connection with debian sarge netinst ? (I'm new to Debian but not to linux) |
| 17:18.15 | queuetue | It's not emacs-x11 (not under ubuntu anyway...) |
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| 17:18.23 | mooded | uart, pppoeconf iirc ... |
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| 17:18.35 | uart | thank you very much |
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| 17:18.41 | mooded | np |
| 17:18.45 | nose_linux | hola |
| 17:18.52 | nose_linux | alguien sabe de linux soy nuevo |
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| 17:19.02 | directhex | !es |
| 17:19.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:19.29 | nose_linux | kien sabe knoopix |
| 17:19.52 | davidw | all these f(&*(*()** hosting companies use Fedora |
| 17:20.08 | nose_linux | knoppix speak spanish please |
| 17:20.14 | Ries | davidw: trust me... it's really buggy to.... |
| 17:20.15 | mooded | nose_linux: --> #debian-es |
| 17:20.23 | nose_linux | gracias |
| 17:20.27 | davidw | Ries: yeah? I've never used it |
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| 17:20.41 | mooded | nose_linux, de nada ... ^^ |
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| 17:21.06 | elephantman | dvs: deborphan only show "lib*" files |
| 17:21.10 | Ries | davidw: We use it here.... but my development platform is debian, also some friends use it... but 'weird' things always happen with fedorie |
| 17:21.10 | stew | davidw: ask them specifically about debian, I running debian at several sites that don't advertise debian but will do it if you ask |
| 17:21.10 | elephantman | dvs: ? |
| 17:21.10 | davidw | Ries: and I don't want to start now:-/ |
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| 17:21.29 | davidw | stew: yeah, i started sending out emails to that effect |
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| 17:21.46 | dvs | elephantman: -a |
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| 17:22.01 | elephantman | dvs: ok thanx |
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| 17:22.08 | davidw | some of these prices are outrageous |
| 17:22.10 | stew | davidw: can I /msg you? |
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| 17:22.51 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | guys, is there an basic install guide on the net somewhere ? |
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| 17:24.31 | dvs | [Zakje]RvGaTe: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 17:25.40 | k3k0 | how bittorrent work in debian ? |
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| 17:26.04 | sobersabre | like it should... |
| 17:26.13 | sobersabre | k3k0, can you explain your question ? |
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| 17:26.44 | dabreegster | k3k0: there are bittorrent clients. apt-cache search bittorent. I recommend bittornado |
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| 17:27.04 | k3k0 | sobersabre: i installed it, apt-get install bittorrent, then i tryed to download one movie, and that didnt start to download it |
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| 17:27.17 | k3k0 | only shortcut :) |
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| 17:27.26 | calljair | guys once I finish the installation with the "netinst sarge RC3" I have to run apt-get update |
| 17:27.26 | sobersabre | maybe u didn't call the correct command. |
| 17:27.28 | k3k0 | dabreegster: maybe i have to install that |
| 17:27.28 | calljair | right |
| 17:27.35 | sobersabre | it's something python based. |
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| 17:27.41 | dabreegster | k3k0: no, any client should work. |
| 17:27.42 | calljair | and after that I have to install X |
| 17:27.45 | calljair | right |
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| 17:27.53 | calljair | then use the wm that i want |
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| 17:28.03 | sobersabre | there's a command btdownload* ( don't remember the end of it... |
| 17:28.08 | douglas | debian woody has not checkinstall |
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| 17:28.26 | douglas | is there a way to generate a deb from a source without it ? |
| 17:28.47 | diesel | I have a file that contains all the iptables rules that I want to implement. Now that the file is created, how do I pass that file into iptables? |
| 17:28.58 | k3k0 | sobersabre: btdownload URL ? |
| 17:29.03 | maketo | hi, I am trying to kill -9 a [loop0] process and it looks like that's not working. Is ther any other way to do it (short of a restart)? |
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| 17:29.06 | sobersabre | i don't remember. |
| 17:29.09 | douglas | iptables-restore |
| 17:29.23 | sobersabre | i haven't downloaded anything with bittorrent for ages. |
| 17:29.29 | sobersabre | at the time it worked fine |
| 17:29.30 | Roey | hi |
| 17:29.32 | diesel | douglas, iptables-restore < filename ? |
| 17:29.36 | douglas | yep |
| 17:29.38 | Roey | is there any program that will convert PDF to anything? |
| 17:29.50 | pluhator | i am running SID and notifications in kDE doesn't work. Everything seems fine except no sound is played. But other sounds are playing just fine. Any suggestions? |
| 17:29.54 | douglas | pdf2txt, pdf2html and so on |
| 17:29.56 | sobersabre | Roey, i know of one that convert a pdf into pages. |
| 17:30.05 | dambodog | how do i start an application on boot? |
| 17:30.07 | luulis | maketo: if that process has a parent process, try killing it, if not, I guess you can only restart |
| 17:30.12 | Roey | sobersabre: pdf into pages? they're already pages :) |
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| 17:30.18 | Roey | sobersabre: but thanks |
| 17:30.20 | diesel | douglas, okay, I think that my problem is that I have iptables -A blah-blah when I should just have -A blah-blah |
| 17:30.22 | sobersabre | Roey, i mean real pages... |
| 17:30.24 | sobersabre | :) |
| 17:30.31 | douglas | hum |
| 17:30.34 | Roey | sobersabre: ah :) |
| 17:30.35 | fanti | hey, i've an onboard wireless lan controller: 'Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG' and i've no idea how to get it work |
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| 17:30.39 | stew | douglas: /msg dpkg maint-guide |
| 17:30.40 | maketo | luulis : is there a way to display the process tree? |
| 17:30.40 | valdyn | maketo: you cannot kill kernel processes |
| 17:30.47 | douglas | it is really a problem |
| 17:30.51 | douglas | ah no prob |
| 17:30.52 | maketo | valdyn : so restart is the only option? |
| 17:30.52 | douglas | ehhehe |
| 17:30.58 | valdyn | maketo: nope |
| 17:30.58 | sobersabre | fanti, go to ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 17:31.06 | sobersabre | it works |
| 17:31.07 | douglas | put a #!/bin/bash on top of the file |
| 17:31.08 | sobersabre | :) |
| 17:31.13 | douglas | the do a chmod +x file |
| 17:31.17 | douglas | and then ./file |
| 17:31.19 | douglas | hehehehhe |
| 17:31.19 | RJ-84 | anyone knows where i can find a aac plugin for beep-media-player? |
| 17:31.23 | valdyn | maketo: why would you want to kill that process? |
| 17:31.31 | Roey | sobersabre: well I'm looking to convert from PDF to DOC (why the hell doesn't linux have this by now :) (1) a pdf->doc converter, (2) a pdf forms editor. No I will not go and write one myself) |
| 17:31.32 | fanti | sobersabre: thx |
| 17:31.33 | douglas | got it ? |
| 17:31.41 | valdyn | maketo: and.. what did you do with loopback devices? |
| 17:31.51 | Roey | sobersabre: (and by linux I mean any distribution of GNU/Linux) |
| 17:31.58 | sobersabre | Roey, can you convert mp3 to midi ? |
| 17:32.02 | douglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.05 | Roey | sobersabre: sort of |
| 17:32.07 | pingouin | lol |
| 17:32.10 | sobersabre | or wav into multitrack audio ? |
| 17:32.17 | Roey | sobersabre: not that I know of |
| 17:32.24 | maketo | valdyn : well, it's actually a redhat 7.2 box that I ran rpm -ivh to upgrade to a new kernel and it does things with mkinitrd but it failed and got stuck on umount of the loop device |
| 17:32.34 | stew | uhh |
| 17:32.36 | Roey | sobersabre: you can do statistical analysis to try and approximate different layers |
| 17:32.51 | sobersabre | Roey, but noone has done it ... right ? |
| 17:32.53 | sobersabre | :) |
| 17:33.07 | Roey | sobersabre: so, what, PDFs don't have a 'table' entity? |
| 17:33.08 | sobersabre | theoretically .... |
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| 17:33.18 | Roey | sobersabre: they don't have at least text that you can convert? |
| 17:33.23 | Roey | sobersabre: btw, I hate pdfs. |
| 17:33.30 | maketo | valdyn : so now that process is hanging in SW state and the loop module says that there is something using it which I am guessing is the [loop0] process |
| 17:33.32 | Roey | sobersabre: I hate it more when the government gives me documents in PDF form. |
| 17:33.40 | sobersabre | PDF is supposed to be ... protecting the document from reconstruction. |
| 17:33.41 | Roey | sobersabre: and I have to use it to make a document. |
| 17:33.51 | Roey | sobersabre: stupid social engineering... |
| 17:33.54 | valdyn | maketo: losetup /dev/loop0 |
| 17:34.05 | sobersabre | so u need to to convert into PDF or from ? |
| 17:34.12 | Roey | sobersabre: from |
| 17:34.22 | Roey | sobersabre: from PDF into anything else (text, even) |
| 17:34.30 | Roey | sobersabre: I guess I can just select text...er... |
| 17:34.35 | Roey | sobersabre: but what about tables and things like that |
| 17:34.39 | sobersabre | there's pdf2html |
| 17:34.45 | k3k0 | how i can download withbittornado |
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| 17:34.48 | sobersabre | try to go from there to text |
| 17:34.50 | calljair | hello guys I know I am on libranet but, after I install debian sarge rc3, and I run the apt-update command how could I install the gui? I should install first X, then apt-get install xfce-4? apt-get install X-windows-system? |
| 17:34.54 | maketo | blah, that worked |
| 17:35.03 | maketo | valdyn: can you explain why? |
| 17:35.13 | Roey | sobersabre: you mean to tell me that PDF's only strength is that it strips away all the structures that relate components of a document to one another?/ |
| 17:35.20 | dvs | calljair: Do you plan to run KDE or GNOME or something else? |
| 17:35.26 | valdyn | maketo: losetup /dev/loop0 only lists info about that device , what "worked" ? |
| 17:35.45 | sobersabre | Roey, i have never researched this issue... so far. so i can't discuss.. |
| 17:35.46 | calljair | dvs, I am planning to run something very lightweight |
| 17:35.46 | sobersabre | :) |
| 17:35.48 | maketo | valdyn: I did losetup -d loop0 and it worked (no more loop0 process) |
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| 17:35.52 | Roey | sobersabre: oh. Well OK, thanks |
| 17:35.55 | Roey | pdf2html, hmm. |
| 17:35.57 | calljair | or maybe kde too. |
| 17:36.09 | maketo | valdyn: nevermind, I am confused today |
| 17:36.27 | dvs | calljair: apt-get install xfce |
| 17:36.30 | calljair | dvs, yes but I don't know the best way to installed after I finish with the installation of debian sarge netinst. |
| 17:36.31 | sobersabre | btw does anybody want to know what was my yesterday problem with ypserv ? |
| 17:36.40 | dvs | calljair: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 17:36.45 | calljair | dvs, this command will install X too? |
| 17:36.56 | dvs | calljair: It should |
| 17:37.00 | resiak | dvs: No, it won't. |
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| 17:37.06 | valdyn | maketo: either way, losetup is just a part of what "mount -o loop foo bar" does |
| 17:37.11 | sobersabre | calljair, yes.. this is why most people use debian: it is _usefull_ |
| 17:37.13 | resiak | calljair: apt-get install xfce4 x-window-system-core |
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| 17:37.44 | dvs | resiak: You can use xfce4 without X? |
| 17:37.46 | calljair | sobersabre, cool |
| 17:37.49 | calljair | resiak, thanks |
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| 17:38.18 | sobersabre | calljair, u don't worry about "dependencies". you install what u need. apt cares about the deps. |
| 17:38.42 | resiak | dvs: You can use it on an X server on another machine. |
| 17:38.54 | dvs | resiak: Oh, ok |
| 17:38.55 | nose_linux | hey como entro al linux |
| 17:38.58 | resiak | !es |
| 17:38.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:39.02 | nose_linux | en español |
| 17:39.04 | nose_linux | por favor |
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| 17:39.19 | resiak | dvs: So apt-get install gnome kde xfce4 fluxbox blackbox openbox etc won't install x-window-system-core |
| 17:39.23 | calljair | sobersabre, thank you very much |
| 17:39.25 | resiak | !tell nose_linux -about es |
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| 17:39.47 | k3k0 | what download client i need to download movies from bittorrent |
| 17:39.59 | maketo | valdyn: yeah, I got that much :). Thanks! |
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| 17:40.15 | calljair | nose_linux, cual es tu problema? |
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| 17:41.43 | calljair | resiak, got it, I have to install the x-window-system-core cool |
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| 17:42.00 | resiak | calljair: Yeah. See the reasoning I gave dvs for why that is. :) |
| 17:42.00 | dvs | now that's minimal |
| 17:42.15 | resiak | dvs: What's minimal? |
| 17:42.25 | dvs | resiak: x-window-system-core |
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| 17:42.35 | maw_ | my firefox i crashing all the time :( |
| 17:42.53 | nose_linux | como entro a linux en español |
| 17:42.54 | nose_linux | por favor |
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| 17:43.10 | dvs | !es |
| 17:43.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:43.12 | resiak | nose_linux: #debian-es |
| 17:43.18 | calljair | dvs, the welcome menu is very poor on the debian sarge the default one |
| 17:43.19 | Viry | lol |
| 17:43.22 | nose_linux | #debian-es |
| 17:43.23 | calljair | how could I change it? |
| 17:43.30 | resiak | The number of times I've invoked that factoid.,, |
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| 17:43.38 | resiak | calljair: Actions -- Configure Login Manager |
| 17:43.40 | davidw | !it |
| 17:43.40 | dpkg | [italian] per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:43.46 | penguin | What package is the arp command in? |
| 17:43.47 | calljair | nose_linux, escribe /j #debian-es |
| 17:43.48 | davidw | ahhahahah bischeri? |
| 17:43.48 | dvs | calljair: Welcome menu? You mean the login manager/ |
| 17:43.56 | calljair | dvs, yes |
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| 17:44.13 | calljair | resiak, this will give me other options? |
| 17:44.20 | calljair | resiak, nicer ones? |
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| 17:44.41 | resiak | calljair: For starters, choose the graphical greeter rather than the standard greeter for local logons. |
| 17:44.45 | Gartt | How would I run a script in something like 5 minutes? |
| 17:45.01 | dabreegster | Does anybody have a x86 kernel with bootsplash/gensplash pre-built in? |
| 17:45.04 | resiak | calljair: apt-get install gdm-themes to give you more choices of graphical greeters. |
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| 17:45.07 | resiak | Gartt: man at |
| 17:45.09 | asg | Gartt: man at |
| 17:45.13 | Gartt | Ex: eject the cdrom in 5 mins so I'll remember the food burning downstairs |
| 17:45.15 | Gartt | thanks |
| 17:45.24 | calljair | resiak, nice my friend cool |
| 17:45.38 | calljair | resiak, do you recommend the sarge netinsta RC3? |
| 17:45.50 | resiak | calljair: Not a problem. As opposed to? |
| 17:45.57 | slugbug | gartt: at 5am <LF> at> dothiscommand <LF> at> ^D |
| 17:45.58 | penguin | Anyone know what package has the arp command? |
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| 17:46.13 | slugbug | with at> being the at prompt and LF being enter, of course |
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| 17:46.21 | dvs | !find arp |
| 17:46.22 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'arp' (15 of 41): acidwarp ;; arpack++ ;; arpd ;; arping ;; arptables ;; arpwatch ;; carpaltunnel ;; farpd ;; giarpfanoa ;; gtk-sharp-examples ;; gtk-sharp-gapi ;; iputils-arping ;; karpski ;; libarpack++2 ;; libarpack++2-dev. |
| 17:46.46 | resiak | Do not, repeat not, use /exec dpkg -S arp :-X |
| 17:46.47 | abrotman | mooded: did you get it figured out? |
| 17:46.48 | penguin | So which one to run arp -a |
| 17:47.10 | diesel | iptables-restore < myfirewallrules keeps segfaulting. Is there a way that I can output each line of a file as a command? |
| 17:47.24 | stew | Gartt: i sometimes use "sleep 600;xeyes" for that |
| 17:47.30 | calljair | As oppose to woody? |
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| 17:47.37 | Gartt | stew, that might fit even better, thanks |
| 17:47.38 | slugbug | sleep would work too |
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| 17:47.47 | calljair | resiak, As oppose to woody? |
| 17:47.49 | resiak | calljair: If you worry about the prettiness of your login screen, then most certainly.# |
| 17:47.52 | slugbug | usually I turn on xmms, go to bed and "at 5am" kill it |
| 17:47.57 | dvs | penguin: net-tools |
| 17:48.00 | slugbug | err, not kill it, stop |
| 17:48.23 | calljair | resiak, I can follow the instructions you gave me to fix the log on thing |
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| 17:48.46 | penguin | Thank you |
| 17:48.50 | calljair | resiak, but I will be practicing with sarge and install a server with it, web server, email server, mysql server, |
| 17:48.55 | dvs | penguin: np |
| 17:49.00 | calljair | resiak, so what do you recommend? |
| 17:49.08 | calljair | sarge or woody? |
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| 17:49.17 | resiak | calljair: In theory, you shouldn't use Sarge for an outside-world-facing server. |
| 17:49.25 | calljair | I really like the installer of sarge |
| 17:49.33 | calljair | ohhh |
| 17:49.48 | dvs | calljair: But security updates for sarge are nonexistant yet. |
| 17:49.53 | calljair | resiak, but woody do not have a easy installer like the sarge correct? |
| 17:49.58 | resiak | calljair: But for what it's worth, I run my imaps, ssh and http server on Sarge. |
| 17:50.11 | calljair | ohhh ok |
| 17:50.20 | resiak | calljair: That's right. Sarge will replace Woody as the Stable release Real Soon Now(TM). |
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| 17:50.30 | dvs | resiak: when? |
| 17:50.40 | resiak | dvs: WIR, of course! |
| 17:50.46 | calljair | resiak, so do you think I shuld go with woody? |
| 17:50.47 | stew | calljair: if you run sarge on an outward facing server you should definately subscribe to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org (you probably should anyway :) |
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| 17:51.02 | calljair | stew cool |
| 17:51.14 | resiak | calljair: I don't think you should, no. You should do as stew says. However, bear in mind that I accept no responsibility, blah blah blah. |
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| 17:51.26 | calljair | resiak, hahaha |
| 17:51.30 | calljair | no problem |
| 17:51.34 | stew | i'll take one of those disclaimers as well |
| 17:51.36 | calljair | I really like sarge |
| 17:51.48 | dvs | calljair: So do I |
| 17:51.48 | calljair | stew, so the woody is better more secure? |
| 17:51.59 | dvs | calljair: I just wish it was released. ;-( |
| 17:52.08 | calljair | but woody have a netinst like sarge? |
| 17:52.10 | stew | calljair: woody is the only one getting security updates presently, sarge should witin a month or two |
| 17:52.11 | resiak | calljair: Woody gets fast security updates, Sarge only gets new versions of packages when they trickle through from Unstable a few weeks later. |
| 17:52.17 | stew | calljair: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 17:52.40 | stew | and there is nothing forcing a maintainer to put security fixes in unstable in the first place |
| 17:53.00 | stew | and teh security team doens't patch unstable |
| 17:53.02 | calljair | stew, woody have a netinst? |
| 17:53.08 | stew | calljair: /msg dpkg netinst |
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| 17:55.04 | toomasr | am i missing a package? some applications display my language's special chracaters, some don't, so far i've determined that my needed accented characters are not present in monospaced fonts (courier family), i've also determined that in none of the java apps i've tried i get my accented chars displayed, any suggestion what is should try is appreciated |
| 17:55.35 | dvs | toomasr: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 17:56.01 | resiak | toomasr: Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is a monospaced font that appears to have a pretty much full set of accented chars. |
| 17:56.06 | stew | for java you have to muck around in /path/to/jre/lib/font.properties (i wish you luck) |
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| 17:56.24 | stew | toomasr: and /msg dpkg font guide |
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| 17:56.52 | toomasr | dvs, resiak, stew - thanks alot! google hasn't helped me that much with my problem! i'll the suggestions a try |
| 17:57.02 | toomasr | *i'll give |
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| 17:57.25 | calljair | resiak, so the woody netinst will be recommended if I am using a server that will be facing the outside world? |
| 17:57.38 | calljair | the installer is the same as the sarge? |
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| 17:57.46 | resiak | calljair: No, I don't think that the installer is the same. |
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| 17:57.58 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | dvs ? |
| 17:58.05 | stew | calljair: that is recommended. no, its the woody installer |
| 17:58.08 | [torpet] | hi |
| 17:58.16 | citral | !nicks that suck |
| 17:58.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, nicks that suck is foo*666, gothic*bar, n00b*thing and any H4CK*bleh. Also any nick containing (and specially beginning with) ^ | or [ is lame. |
| 17:58.34 | citral | :P |
| 17:58.43 | calljair | ohh ok |
| 17:58.45 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nickometer [torpet] |
| 17:58.45 | calljair | cool |
| 17:58.46 | dvs | [Zakje]RvGaTe: I don't remember what I said to you. It's out of my log now. |
| 17:58.48 | ravenbird | '[torpet]' is 10.000% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 17:58.49 | slugbug | heh, nickometer |
| 17:58.50 | calljair | thank you guys |
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| 17:59.00 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | dvs: do you mind if i pm you ? |
| 17:59.00 | calljair | I will be experimenting with this |
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| 17:59.10 | dvs | [Zakje]RvGaTe: yes I do mind |
| 17:59.14 | [torpet] | what do you have against me? |
| 17:59.24 | calljair | the thing is that I want to install the ogo application and the packages for sarge are ready there |
| 17:59.24 | slugbug | dpkg, nickometer [Zakje]RvGaTe |
| 17:59.24 | dpkg | '[Zakje]RvGaTe' is 99.9401% lame, slugbug |
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| 17:59.30 | slugbug | tee hee |
| 17:59.39 | citral | dpkg: nicks that suck =~ s/is lame/is annoying to type./ |
| 17:59.39 | dpkg | OK, citral |
| 17:59.40 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | thx allot slugbug :P |
| 17:59.51 | RvGaTe | that better ? |
| 17:59.53 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Dump /dev/urandom into it :) |
| 17:59.55 | citral | yeah |
| 18:00.01 | dabreegster | Anybody have experience with bootsplash, gensplash, usplash, or debsplash? |
| 18:00.04 | slugbug | dpkg: nickometer RvGaTe |
| 18:00.16 | citral | tsk tsk |
| 18:00.22 | RvGaTe | dpkg, nickometer RvGaTe |
| 18:00.23 | slugbug | it's the camel-case |
| 18:00.31 | citral | !reduce RvGaTe lameness |
| 18:00.31 | dpkg | congratulations, RvGaTe, you are only 97.456% lame! |
| 18:00.37 | RvGaTe | omg |
| 18:00.39 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 18:00.41 | Gartt | lol |
| 18:00.46 | slugbug | oh man! I love sarcastic infobots |
| 18:01.02 | RvGaTe | i want to get help here, not be a role model for lamers :P |
| 18:01.12 | Gartt | lol |
| 18:01.20 | citral | heh, so ask a question... |
| 18:01.27 | RvGaTe | oh yeah, i forgot ;) |
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| 18:02.05 | slugbug | dpkg, nickometer slugbug? |
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| 18:02.13 | slugbug | oops |
| 18:02.14 | citral | ist ja gut... |
| 18:02.16 | slugbug | dpkg, nickometer slugbug |
| 18:02.24 | citral | stop! |
| 18:02.31 | slugbug | okay |
| 18:02.45 | citral | slugbug: you can /msg dplg whateveryouwant |
| 18:02.52 | citral | *dpkg |
| 18:02.52 | slugbug | yeah, I forgot about that |
| 18:03.18 | slugbug | (just noticed that it's sending me private messages, I'm too used to xchat) |
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| 18:03.39 | citral | grrrr xchat |
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| 18:03.42 | RvGaTe | i want a basic installment of sarge, someone else did it before, but that was a few months ago (also my first *nix exp.), now im reading the manual, and it dozn't really help me... dont know why, but it dozn't really have a basic feel over it |
| 18:03.54 | oigres | Hi Guys, what's the filesystem for a mac??? I've got a memory stick with a mac filesystem. What do I need to read it in Debian? |
| 18:04.12 | citral | RvGaTe: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:04.21 | RvGaTe | citral, install sarge |
| 18:04.23 | RvGaTe | hehe |
| 18:04.35 | SEcki | oigres: maybe search mount, iirc it might be hy?.*fs |
| 18:04.54 | slugbug | oigres: usually HFS, but it probably is formatted in VFAT if it's a memory stick |
| 18:05.03 | citral | oigres: modprobe hfs or hfsplus, and mount the stick |
| 18:05.08 | k3k0 | hello.. i have bittorrent installed in my pc and debian sarge, how i can download this movie http://www.piratebay.se/download.php/3309119/Hitch.2005.TELECINE.XViD-INVASiON.torrent ? |
| 18:05.21 | citral | k3k0: #warez |
| 18:05.25 | slugbug | uh: |
| 18:05.27 | resiak | k3k0: There is no way we're going to help you WaReZ things |
| 18:05.35 | k3k0 | :d |
| 18:05.37 | RvGaTe | damnit, i need someone to pm with, i hate all these messages going togetter ... |
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| 18:06.02 | citral | RvGaTe is a _@_" |
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| 18:06.10 | RvGaTe | a what ? |
| 18:06.32 | citral | some slow animal |
| 18:06.38 | citral | ;) |
| 18:06.41 | RvGaTe | arg |
| 18:06.44 | RvGaTe | :P |
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| 18:07.48 | citral | RvGaTe: so basically, to install sarge, you boot from the cd you burned, you type "linux26" then "<enter>" then you follow the instructions... |
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| 18:08.28 | abrotman | k3k0: use the torrent correclty |
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| 18:08.43 | abrotman | isn't there a #bittorrent ? |
| 18:08.59 | RvGaTe | citral: so were can i find that in the manual then ? |
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| 18:09.31 | slugbug | heh, you'd probably have got a lot more help if you didn't mention that you were illegally downloading a movie |
| 18:09.48 | RvGaTe | citral: not that i need a manual to do that, becoz you just said it, but when you start from scratch, its kinda hard to find |
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| 18:11.15 | citral | RvGaTe: uh? http://d-i.alioth.org/manual/en.i386/apa.html |
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| 18:11.50 | resiak | !tartiflette |
| 18:11.56 | resiak | dpkg, you philistine. |
| 18:12.01 | DocTrax | hi all |
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| 18:12.13 | citral | mmmm tartiflette |
| 18:12.18 | RvGaTe | citral, leads to nothing im afraid... |
| 18:12.23 | DocTrax | so as debian is free i can use the debian logo as an avatar? |
| 18:12.31 | citral | yeah sorry replace apa.html with index.html |
| 18:12.37 | resiak | !tartiflette is a delicious cheesy, sliced potato-y dish, best eaten in the French alps. Go, eat, now. |
| 18:12.37 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
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| 18:12.39 | RichiH | DocTrax: only the swirl |
| 18:12.41 | k3k0 | abrotman: thats just a test.. is my torrent working etc.. |
| 18:12.48 | RichiH | DocTrax: the swirl with the bottle not |
| 18:12.58 | DocTrax | why? |
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| 18:13.11 | RvGaTe | citral, nothing, again |
| 18:13.15 | RichiH | DocTrax: because the bottle is the official logo. the swirl is for everyone |
| 18:13.19 | citral | RvGaTe: grrr http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apas03.html |
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| 18:13.26 | DocTrax | i c |
| 18:13.26 | RvGaTe | :P |
| 18:13.27 | resiak | k3k0: Bollocks that's just a test. |
| 18:13.28 | DocTrax | thx |
| 18:13.31 | RichiH | np |
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| 18:14.08 | DocTrax | so i take a free tux and the swirl together |
| 18:14.09 | RichiH | DocTrax: http://www.debian.org/logos/ :) |
| 18:14.39 | bimmerd00d | guys, im trying to join asterisk and it says i have to be registered, i forgot how to do that |
| 18:14.49 | resiak | !asterisk |
| 18:14.49 | dpkg | somebody said asterisk was a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable |
| 18:14.52 | stew | bimmerd00d: /msg nickserv help |
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| 18:15.58 | RvGaTe | citral, how did you got that url ? |
| 18:16.08 | DocTrax | RichiH: is there more free linux related artwork? |
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| 18:16.12 | bimmerd00d | resiak: thanks. |
| 18:16.14 | RvGaTe | citral, thats something what i call basic... and understandable |
| 18:16.29 | devin_ | hey how do i get snes9x ? apt-get install snes9x? |
| 18:16.31 | resiak | bimmerd00d: I think you mean "stew: thanks.". |
| 18:16.40 | stew | resiak: thanks |
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| 18:16.49 | resiak | stew: You're welcome ;-) |
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| 18:16.54 | citral | RvGaTe: from the location of the d-i; www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. they wouldn't let poor lost people without any doc... |
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| 18:17.00 | bimmerd00d | doh! |
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| 18:17.17 | RvGaTe | citral, im lost, but most def. not poor ;) |
| 18:17.20 | nydust | how do i install a windows shared printer? |
| 18:17.26 | citral | RvGaTe: heh |
| 18:17.29 | death-inc | nydust, using CUPS? |
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| 18:17.50 | nydust | death-inc, cups? |
| 18:18.00 | citral | or enable printing service for unix in windows, or better google |
| 18:18.14 | death-inc | nydust, if you have CUPS installed, you can connect using your browser to http://localhost:631/ |
| 18:18.31 | death-inc | nydust, then you add it using an smb:// URL. |
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| 18:18.45 | citral | tada! first hit |
| 18:18.47 | citral | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html |
| 18:19.34 | nydust | thanks |
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| 18:20.16 | oigres | It's me again with the question about the memory stick. It didn't work all that you guys told me. How do I find out the filesystem that a memory stick has??? I've got the device on /dev/sda1 .. Thanks in advance!! |
| 18:20.44 | RvGaTe | oigres is getting a bit pissed off i guess :P |
| 18:20.46 | death-inc | oigres, try running 'cfdisk /dev/sda' and see if there's a partition on there |
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| 18:21.15 | zepher | greetings |
| 18:21.18 | zepher | i need help setting up my display, ATI Radeon9600, debian fresh install. new to linux. need 1024 resolution |
| 18:21.27 | resiak | !drxx zepher |
| 18:21.28 | dpkg | zepher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 18:21.38 | death-inc | zepher, do you want 3d acceleration? |
| 18:21.47 | resiak | !tell zepher -about ati drivers |
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| 18:21.54 | matze_ | Hi @ all |
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| 18:22.07 | Kvant | oigres, my memory stick works with "vfat" |
| 18:22.08 | zepher | i`d like 1024 res. my max now is 800x600 |
| 18:22.14 | oigres | Ok guys, I'll try taht right now! |
| 18:22.21 | resiak | zepher: Do what the bot said. |
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| 18:22.26 | zepher | i did before |
| 18:22.36 | zepher | couldn`t make sence of it |
| 18:22.39 | RvGaTe | brb |
| 18:22.41 | death-inc | zepher, if you feel like it you can edit the X config file by hand; or just reconfigure, it will ask you for the resolutions to support |
| 18:22.49 | matze_ | zepher: hi, got also probs wie XFree86-4 ? |
| 18:22.51 | oigres | Kvant: I've got three memory sticks with vfat and are oK, but someone just gave me one that he uses with a Mac and I can't read it! |
| 18:22.57 | Gartt | zepher: 800x600? what kinds of monitor? |
| 18:23.06 | Gartt | kind* |
| 18:23.11 | death-inc | oigres, you may not have HFS+ or UFS support, if it's formatted as such |
| 18:23.12 | zepher | crt normal old |
| 18:23.15 | citral | oigres: I told you to modprobe hfs or hfsplus |
| 18:23.18 | matze_ | zepher: did you use xf86config? |
| 18:23.20 | zepher | and again, i`m new to linux |
| 18:23.24 | stew | zepher: have you edited the XF86Config-4 file by hand? |
| 18:23.25 | zepher | uhh sarge? |
| 18:23.27 | zepher | no |
| 18:23.28 | Gartt | oh, x server problem |
| 18:23.42 | oigres | Hang on, the cfdisk thing worked and it tells me it is FAT 16, so... The problem lies somewhere else! :< |
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| 18:23.47 | stew | zepher: then you need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:23.55 | death-inc | zepher, if it works in 800x600 the easiest thing to do is to edit the config file to add "1024x768" to that color depth |
| 18:24.02 | citral | death-inc: no |
| 18:24.02 | death-inc | or reconfigure like we've said |
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| 18:24.10 | stew | oigres: then the fstype is probably vfat |
| 18:24.24 | oigres | stew: Glup! It worked!!! |
| 18:24.27 | citral | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is the way to go |
| 18:24.39 | zepher | video card bus identifier?? |
| 18:24.40 | death-inc | alright |
| 18:24.48 | zepher | in the reconf now |
| 18:24.49 | death-inc | just hit enter, zepher |
| 18:24.52 | zepher | kk |
| 18:25.05 | oigres | Sorry to everyone, and thanks anyway. It worked. It just didn't work automatically with something like mount /mount/here stated in /etc/fstab |
| 18:25.34 | rasa | what is the "approved" method of executing a command on startup, say 'dmesg -n3'? |
| 18:25.48 | zepher | the monitor default is SRC:fd01 |
| 18:25.50 | zepher | is this ok? |
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| 18:25.53 | matze_ | i got an x server prob too, my frequence is only about 75 Hz, i know how to change it, but it doesn't work, i got a HP A4033A and it should work with Horizontal 81 and Vertical 160 Khz (i found it with google), but i always get some messages like "no screens found" - beforce it works fine, but i wanted to change frequence and so the problem started. |
| 18:26.11 | jc-denton | once again a question about woody :D |
| 18:26.21 | death-inc | matze_, did you specify the ranges manually? |
| 18:26.28 | citral | matze_: look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:26.32 | jc-denton | can i compile the newest 2.4er kernel from kernel.org on woody without problemes? |
| 18:26.43 | death-inc | jc-denton, assuming you have the right stuff installed |
| 18:26.44 | citral | matze_: specially lines beginning with EE |
| 18:26.52 | zepher | ok i reconfigured, what now? |
| 18:27.03 | dvs | matze_: 30-80khz / 50-120 hz |
| 18:27.07 | matze_ | death-inc: i tried manuelly and with the tool xf86config and choose some of the pre-defined possibilities |
| 18:27.20 | matze_ | citral: yes, (EE) |
| 18:27.21 | jc-denton | death-inc: yes.. |
| 18:27.27 | death-inc | zepher, try 'startx' or restart your display manager (perhaps /etc/init.d/gdm restart) |
| 18:27.41 | oigres | Guys, as usual, this is the best irc group. I'm abroad and its great to know that we are always helping each other!! |
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| 18:27.53 | death-inc | jc-denton, should be alright then, i haven't tried the latest 2.4 stuff in a while |
| 18:28.02 | matze_ | citral: (EE) NV(0): No Valid modes found - and - |
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| 18:28.21 | death-inc | matze_, if you go with more conservative settings, does it work? |
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| 18:28.24 | matze_ | citral: (EE) screens found, but none have a usable config. |
| 18:28.38 | jc-denton | death-inc: yes i think so too |
| 18:28.43 | citral | matze_: the problem is, if you edited XF86config manually, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is unlikely to work now. |
| 18:28.48 | jc-denton | but i cannot use 'should be' |
| 18:28.57 | jc-denton | i need must work |
| 18:28.57 | jc-denton | ;) |
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| 18:29.39 | citral | matze_: now you can try anyway, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and when it comes to resolution, choose "expert" |
| 18:29.44 | death-inc | i guess i'm set in my ways, having made the config manually since early 3.x days :S |
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| 18:30.03 | citral | that is right for Mandrake, not debian |
| 18:30.04 | Kbs | Hello |
| 18:30.22 | Kbs | I whant to install Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r4 on a SATA HDD |
| 18:30.42 | death-inc | Kbs, what sort of sata controller do you have? |
| 18:30.53 | dvs | Kbs: Woody came out after SATA was mainstream. It probably won't work |
| 18:31.07 | dvs | *before |
| 18:31.19 | citral | Kbs: the people in #debian-boot know better. You probably need to build your own kernel for that. |
| 18:31.20 | Kbs | I don`t no |
| 18:31.25 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.30 | Kbs | Ok |
| 18:31.31 | rasa | does debian have an equivalent to SUSE's /etc/init.d/boot.local ? |
| 18:31.31 | matze_ | citral: i found the prob! xf86config was editing XF86Config, but my X uses XF86Config-4 - and i just changed the frequences there |
| 18:31.32 | kaner | Kbs: you probably will have to use a custom kernel |
| 18:31.35 | death-inc | toresbe, what? |
| 18:31.46 | citral | matze_: cool |
| 18:31.51 | toresbe | oops |
| 18:32.00 | toresbe | Kbs: You want sarge :) |
| 18:32.03 | toresbe | sorry :) |
| 18:32.05 | kaner | Kbs: correction. you want sarge, yes. |
| 18:32.09 | Kbs | He dosen`t sees me HDD |
| 18:32.14 | death-inc | yeah the sarge has a better chance |
| 18:32.14 | kaner | Kbs: is this a server? |
| 18:32.14 | citral | maybe he wants woody for a production server... |
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| 18:32.27 | zepher | ok! i`m in 1024 thanks |
| 18:32.29 | toresbe | bah, you don't want woody on a production server |
| 18:32.36 | death-inc | Kbs, some sata controllers will work in a backwards compatibility mode |
| 18:32.37 | Kbs | No |
| 18:32.38 | kaner | toresbe: what else? |
| 18:32.41 | toresbe | kaner: sarge. |
| 18:32.47 | citral | !d-i Kbs |
| 18:32.48 | dexter__ | Err... How come fluxbox sometimes open two applications when i click in the menu? |
| 18:32.48 | dpkg | Kbs, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:32.49 | kaner | toresbe: on _production_ ? |
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| 18:32.56 | dexter__ | When i click fast it opens two applications, otherwise one |
| 18:32.58 | toresbe | kaner: I don't care how stable a system that is too old to work is. |
| 18:33.00 | dexter__ | It really annoys me :p |
| 18:33.00 | kaner | toresbe: you must be kidding me |
| 18:33.06 | dexter__ | Is it a bug? |
| 18:33.18 | citral | he's kidding indeed. |
| 18:33.22 | toresbe | kaner: If I could, I'd use woody, but the hardware support is so absolutely crappy on woody |
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| 18:33.56 | zepher | ok! i`m in 1024. thanks! |
| 18:33.58 | death-inc | toresbe, woody is good on supported hardware, but i agree the changes are worth moving up. testing is more stable than most linux distributions |
| 18:34.22 | zepher | what can you advise i do now (install driver e.d.) |
| 18:34.26 | bimmerd00d | i'm running kernel v.2.6.8, and it says i need kernel source for my kernel version installed.....i installed it says i can't compile zaptel b/c of that |
| 18:34.31 | bimmerd00d | even though i installed it |
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| 18:34.38 | thingfish | heh *sid* is more stable than most linux distributions. |
| 18:34.44 | kaner | toresbe: hm, okay. but you could use a custom kernel.. still, woddy is more secure and stable than sarge, i wouldnt dare to use any other linux on production servers i think |
| 18:35.06 | citral | sid has a long history of horrible bugs. |
| 18:35.07 | death-inc | bimmerd00d, where is the source installed |
| 18:35.22 | thingfish | citral: definitely. |
| 18:35.39 | toresbe | death-inc: probably. |
| 18:35.39 | death-inc | yes, on a production server i wouldn't be running unstable. |
| 18:35.43 | toresbe | death-inc: but single-click |
| 18:35.46 | death-inc | i'd be running solaris (kidding) |
| 18:35.50 | thingfish | hehe |
| 18:35.52 | citral | heh |
| 18:35.57 | bimmerd00d | death-inc: ahh i think i was in the wrong directory when i installed it |
| 18:36.05 | matze_ | dvs , citral , death-inc : Thank you high end extremely deluxe royal TS super doopa much! Good Evening |
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| 18:36.27 | death-inc | i wish it was evening here, it's not even noon yet |
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| 18:36.40 | matze_ | death-inc: sorry i'm from germany, it |
| 18:36.49 | Kevynh | how do i test my mod-perl instillation? |
| 18:36.51 | matze_ | death-inc: sorry i'm from germany, it's about half past 9 in the evening |
| 18:36.56 | citral | matze_: where in de? |
| 18:37.00 | death-inc | citral, i've not tried 2.6.x in woody, does it work alright? |
| 18:37.05 | matze_ | citral: west |
| 18:37.08 | schelm | hi, my ">"-key does not work, i already run dpkg-reconfigure console-data but it doesnt work |
| 18:37.14 | matze_ | citral: "NRW" if you know it |
| 18:37.15 | dvs | death-inc: Not be default |
| 18:37.17 | zepher | deutschland! |
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| 18:37.22 | dvs | s/be/by/ |
| 18:37.29 | death-inc | schelm, have you tried another keyboard to rule that out? ;) |
| 18:37.30 | citral | death-inc: lot of people do. It's not the cleanest thing ever seen, but it works. |
| 18:37.35 | SyphonAI | ok i have a question about init runlevels, i have been googling and i understand them, but in my inittab it has default 3, but i get a xwindow login at start up and i thought that was runlevel 5, so i am just wondering what rc#.d folder i need to edit for startup services since both rc3 and rc5 have the same script links in them |
| 18:37.43 | bimmerd00d | death-inc: im not sure where it is installed honestly....im new to linux |
| 18:37.43 | schelm | death-inc, ;) |
| 18:37.43 | matze_ | zepher: yeah deutschland, you know it? |
| 18:37.45 | death-inc | citral, i suppose backported module-init-tools would be the key |
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| 18:37.51 | zepher | i live next to it |
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| 18:37.55 | kaner | schelm: put pc105 de nodeadkeys int XFree86COnfig |
| 18:37.57 | citral | death-inc: yeah that comes with it |
| 18:38.00 | zepher | NL |
| 18:38.05 | matze_ | zepher: cool, neederlaands? |
| 18:38.08 | schelm | kaner, thanks |
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| 18:38.17 | kaner | schelm: you are german, right? |
| 18:38.18 | zepher | matze_: haha yes |
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| 18:38.22 | kaner | schelm: :)= |
| 18:38.24 | matze_ | zepher: kennst du borkumlijn? |
| 18:38.26 | schelm | kaner, right |
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| 18:38.29 | kaner | k |
| 18:38.29 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 18:38.34 | redduck666 | addNtoX, hi |
| 18:38.40 | addNtoX | hey redduck666 :) |
| 18:38.42 | matze_ | zepher: dann machet gut, tschüüs!!! |
| 18:38.49 | matze_ | bye @ all |
| 18:38.53 | zepher | matze_: tsuus! |
| 18:39.09 | paulswm | SyphonAI: the debian Reference Manual covers runlevels and the debian boot process, apt-search debian-reference and choose your version, or read it at the debian web site |
| 18:39.11 | bimmerd00d | still says i dont have the kernel sources for my current kernel installed |
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| 18:39.34 | SyphonAI | thanks |
| 18:39.38 | SyphonAI | havn' looked there |
| 18:39.41 | death-inc | bimmerd00d, cd /usr/src, and see what the directory is named |
| 18:39.42 | paulswm | SyphonAI: yw |
| 18:39.49 | death-inc | bimmerd00d, also, give us the output of uname -a |
| 18:39.54 | redduck666 | bimmerd00d, you can install kernel sources by doing apt-get install kernel-source*insert vrsion |
| 18:40.03 | paulswm | SyphonAI: apt-cache search, I meant |
| 18:40.15 | bimmerd00d | Linux Debian 2.6.7-2-686 |
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| 18:40.28 | citral | strange, that doesn't look like 2.6.8 |
| 18:40.38 | bimmerd00d | kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 |
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| 18:40.47 | death-inc | bimmerd00d, you need to extract that if you want to use it |
| 18:40.49 | sidmanly | !ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO OUT TO HELIX PHATED FEILDYSNUTS CAPHUSO DEBIAN ABROTMAN [GNAA] |
| 18:40.50 | sidmanly | !ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO OUT TO HELIX PHATED FEILDYSNUTS CAPHUSO DEBIAN ABROTMAN [GNAA] |
| 18:40.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO OUT TO HELIX PHATED FEILDYSNUTS CAPHUSO DEBIAN ABROTMAN [GNAA] |
| 18:40.50 | sidmanly | !ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO OUT TO HELIX PHATED FEILDYSNUTS CAPHUSO DEBIAN ABROTMAN [GNAA] |
| 18:40.53 | sidmanly | !ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO OUT TO HELIX PHATED FEILDYSNUTS CAPHUSO DEBIAN ABROTMAN [GNAA] |
| 18:41.01 | garrytradd | !ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO OUT TO HELIX PHATED FEILDYSNUTS CAPHUSO DEBIAN ABROTMAN [GNAA] |
| 18:41.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO OUT TO HELIX PHATED FEILDYSNUTS CAPHUSO DEBIAN ABROTMAN [GNAA] |
| 18:41.02 | garrytradd | !ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO OUT TO HELIX PHATED FEILDYSNUTS CAPHUSO DEBIAN ABROTMAN [GNAA] |
| 18:41.03 | abrotman | what the hell did i do? |
| 18:41.06 | death-inc | bimmerd00d, tar -xjvf kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 |
| 18:41.06 | paulswm | great |
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| 18:41.20 | abrotman | i'm not even an op |
| 18:41.33 | abrotman | oh well |
| 18:41.35 | dabreegster | what just happened? |
| 18:41.43 | abrotman | dabreegster: kawfee |
| 18:41.45 | Steven_ | flooding caps is so exciting! |
| 18:41.46 | death-inc | bimmerd00d, at the same time, even if you extract that source it likely won't work |
| 18:41.52 | zepher | why do those people exist? |
| 18:41.53 | Gartt | Nice to have witty users around.. |
| 18:41.54 | death-inc | bimmerd00d, because it's not for the version you're running |
| 18:41.57 | abrotman | fucking idiot .. i'm no op .. dumbass |
| 18:41.59 | citral | where is debhelper? |
| 18:42.03 | paulswm | Yay, thanks ElectricElf for being on guard |
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| 18:42.09 | rasa | is /etc/rc.boot the correct place to put custom startup commands in debian? |
| 18:42.10 | Gartt | zepher: So we can make coats out of them in the future |
| 18:42.13 | abrotman | oh wait .. neither is Phated or FieldySnuts .. which he misspelled . |
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| 18:42.22 | schelm | thanks again kaner |
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| 18:42.37 | appaji | abrotman: he just doesn't like you. Did you flame him sometime? ;) |
| 18:42.41 | FieldySnuts | what? |
| 18:42.41 | stew | abrotman: fuck yous |
| 18:42.49 | zepher | Gartt: Hmm give me goretex any day |
| 18:42.49 | stew | abrotman: :) |
| 18:42.54 | abrotman | appaji: i have no idea .. nor do i really care .. |
| 18:42.58 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
| 18:43.03 | dabreegster | Whoa, I was seriously lagged. Everything just jumped onto the screen |
| 18:43.06 | abrotman | appaji: he's some angry 12 year old or some crap |
| 18:43.07 | death-inc | i once wore a ladies goretex jacket for a year when i was twelve |
| 18:43.07 | thingfish | this channel is a little like the Old West. |
| 18:43.09 | death-inc | didn't know |
| 18:43.11 | Gartt | Is it goretex, or gortex? |
| 18:43.16 | appaji | abrotman: :) |
| 18:43.18 | death-inc | with the e |
| 18:43.18 | abrotman | Gartt: goretex |
| 18:43.32 | helix | yay gore |
| 18:43.34 | Gartt | ah |
| 18:43.34 | helix | and tex! |
| 18:43.43 | zepher | tux! Goretux! |
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| 18:43.49 | asg | helix: GoreTeX |
| 18:43.51 | FieldySnuts | oh that misspelling. morons |
| 18:43.51 | stew | i beilve it was invented by a company founded by w.l. gore |
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| 18:43.53 | death-inc | wow a defunct politician and a typesetting language, what a coincidence |
| 18:43.57 | abrotman | of course .. i'm still confused as all hell |
| 18:43.59 | Gartt | Ah |
| 18:44.01 | helix | gooooo retex! |
| 18:44.06 | thingfish | hehe |
| 18:44.08 | abrotman | too bad the little dork won't show himself to explain :) |
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| 18:44.45 | zepher | people should form an agency that DDOS`s those people ^_^ |
| 18:44.54 | FieldySnuts | yeah there you go. dumbass. |
| 18:44.59 | zepher | eitherhow |
| 18:45.13 | Gartt | Nah, people like that find all sorts of fun and creative ways to sabotage themselves |
| 18:45.15 | zepher | thanks for all the help, all :_ |
| 18:45.17 | zepher | :)* |
| 18:45.23 | Gartt | Without external assistance |
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| 18:45.31 | death-inc | zepher, it would be cool if there was an agent like distributed.net that would ddos those whom the community considered worthy |
| 18:45.45 | paulswm | abrotman: please stay safe because if something happens to you there's going to be a hell of a long suspect list |
| 18:45.45 | abrotman | paulswm: que? |
| 18:45.49 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 18:45.57 | paulswm | abrotman: never mind, if you didn't get it |
| 18:45.58 | bimmerd00d | death-inc: you're right it didn't work....any suggestions? |
| 18:46.03 | sean_micken | what does the mozilla-firefox-gnome-support do to firefox? |
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| 18:46.06 | abrotman | paulswm: oyu gonna kill? |
| 18:46.08 | resiak | abrotman: The entire GNAA wants your ass! |
| 18:46.15 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 18:46.17 | resiak | abrotman: ...that was badly worded, wasn't it... |
| 18:46.21 | death-inc | bimmerd00d, two options. either install the source for the version of the kernel you're using (easy) or build that new kernel (not likely) |
| 18:46.34 | abrotman | resiak: i don't even know who they are :) |
| 18:46.39 | paulswm | humor is less funny when explained, especially when it wasn't that funny to start with |
| 18:46.44 | death-inc | bimmerd00d, i suggest going to http://kernel.org/ and downloading the version that matches up with your current one (uname -a) |
| 18:46.50 | abrotman | resiak: apparently i suck .. oh well |
| 18:46.54 | death-inc | bimmerd00d, then extract it to /usr/src/ |
| 18:46.59 | resiak | abrotman: Go and read the message. The As stand for "association of" and "america". |
| 18:47.12 | bimmerd00d | death-inc: it says i'm running 2.6.8, and the kernel source says it's 2.6.8 too |
| 18:47.16 | bimmerd00d | what's different about them? |
| 18:47.18 | FieldySnuts | yes that was really badly worde... |
| 18:47.24 | stew | bimmerd00d: why do you want kernel source? |
| 18:47.24 | death-inc | bimmerd00d, i thought you said uname -a said 2.6.7 |
| 18:47.26 | resiak | !bite me |
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| 18:47.33 | death-inc | stew, he's building something |
| 18:47.37 | death-inc | headers might work |
| 18:47.40 | abrotman | resiak: oh ok .. but .. that's dumb ... but oh well .. stupid people should be killed i guess |
| 18:47.43 | stew | bimmerd00d: you probably only need the headers |
| 18:47.45 | zepher | ok. say you just installed your computer with debian. what are the first things you`d do? |
| 18:47.53 | bimmerd00d | death-inc: no, it says 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 18:47.59 | resiak | zepher: Grab a beer. |
| 18:48.01 | death-inc | zepher, i would apt-get install pornview |
| 18:48.02 | zepher | done :) |
| 18:48.08 | zepher | the beer thing |
| 18:48.09 | resiak | zepher: Grab the rest of the case. |
| 18:48.10 | stew | bimmerd00d: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 18:48.15 | resiak | zepher: Then get on IRC. |
| 18:48.20 | zepher | also done |
| 18:48.29 | rasa | i've looked in the debian docs and googled, for where to put custom startup commands, with no luck, does anyone know? |
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| 18:48.30 | death-inc | good man |
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| 18:48.39 | death-inc | rasa, what sort of command |
| 18:48.40 | foobar_ | hi |
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| 18:48.45 | rasa | dmesg -n3 |
| 18:48.50 | stew | bimmerd00d: if you are compiling a kerel module, then /msg dpkg module-assistant |
| 18:48.51 | rasa | or any command |
| 18:48.55 | dabreegster | zepher: if you're a command line guy, customize your shell and get a nice framebuffer going |
| 18:49.16 | zepher | grins and if im a total freshling? |
| 18:49.18 | death-inc | zepher, yeah, build a custom kernel |
| 18:49.23 | foobar_ | i have a weird problem, modprobe isnt finding one of my modules but I can insert it fine with insmod |
| 18:49.25 | death-inc | trial by fire! |
| 18:49.26 | zepher | lol |
| 18:49.37 | asg | foobar_: depmod -a |
| 18:49.41 | zepher | :D tried once to many |
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| 18:50.08 | death-inc | question, what exactly does the script 'update-modules' do |
| 18:50.10 | miks | Is there a PHP package for debian? |
| 18:50.14 | zepher | ok after the "apt-get install pornview" what now? |
| 18:50.15 | death-inc | i assume it runs depmod |
| 18:50.21 | asg | miks: for which version? |
| 18:50.28 | death-inc | zepher, figure it out yourself |
| 18:50.33 | abrotman | zepher: yes |
| 18:50.37 | foobar_ | asg: ARGH I seriously can't beleive i forgot that, thanks for the reminder |
| 18:50.38 | death-inc | zepher, remember to sign off irc |
| 18:50.38 | abrotman | !tell zepher about search |
| 18:50.39 | zepher | i meant, how to start it :P |
| 18:50.44 | asg | foobar_: :) you're welcome |
| 18:50.52 | death-inc | zepher, make sure you have 'menu' installed, too |
| 18:50.52 | miks | asg, well I'm just learning PHP so probably the latest? |
| 18:50.53 | stew | death-inc: man update-modules |
| 18:51.04 | miks | 4.3.1 |
| 18:51.05 | zepher | menu? |
| 18:51.08 | asg | miks: well woody and sarge come with php4 which is a nice safe bet. |
| 18:51.11 | death-inc | stew, damn it if i wanted to read more than one line explanations i wouldn't be on irc |
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| 18:51.13 | death-inc | :P |
| 18:51.14 | bimmerd00d | stew: that worked, thanks a lot! |
| 18:51.24 | miks | asg, I'm running sarge |
| 18:51.24 | stew | death-inc: read the first line of the manpage |
| 18:51.27 | stew | death-inc: seriously |
| 18:51.29 | miks | asg, PHP comes loaded? |
| 18:51.33 | death-inc | oh, it's obsolete |
| 18:51.38 | stew | death-inc: if you don't want to read you are in the wrong channel |
| 18:51.39 | citral | bingo |
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| 18:51.41 | stew | bimmerd00d: you're welcome |
| 18:51.42 | death-inc | so i guess running it really isn't necessary anymore |
| 18:51.44 | death-inc | also, sarcasm |
| 18:52.01 | asg | miks: then install libapache{2}-mod-php4 |
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| 18:52.47 | miks | When I installed sarge I selected the SQL Server package, I believe it installed a PostgresSQL server. Is there any reason to use Postgres instead of MySQL? |
| 18:53.00 | genix_ | How can I view owner/group on a file? |
| 18:53.07 | resiak | miks: Google is your friend. Most people say yes. |
| 18:53.07 | citral | genix_: ls -l |
| 18:53.14 | rasa | miks: stored procs, transactions, etc. |
| 18:53.16 | asg | miks: such a question will open a horrific religious war |
| 18:53.19 | resiak | genix_: stat |
| 18:53.21 | miks | haha |
| 18:53.23 | miks | sorry |
| 18:53.25 | asg | miks: :) |
| 18:53.27 | miks | :) |
| 18:53.35 | miks | I should have known |
| 18:53.37 | citral | !start a database war |
| 18:53.37 | asg | miks: postgres is much more enterprise ready while mysql is lean. |
| 18:53.37 | dpkg | ms access stinks |
| 18:53.49 | paulswm | miks: It's a Real RDBMS |
| 18:53.51 | asg | miks: some consider mysql not to be a database at all due to lack of stored procedures and transactions. |
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| 18:54.17 | asuffield | mysql is mostly popular with the people who are abusing SQL to do a job which they should have done with a bloody *file* |
| 18:54.17 | miks | What will be the learning curve if I'm moving from MS SQL Server? |
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| 18:54.29 | paulswm | !prize asuffield |
| 18:54.40 | rasa | miks: you mean *unlearning*, right? |
| 18:54.49 | asuffield | as such their arguments in favour of mysql tend to be rather... silly |
| 18:54.51 | miks | rasa, basically :) |
| 18:55.55 | asuffield | oh, and mysql has low-grade corporate propaganda behind it |
| 18:56.01 | citral | miks: /msg dpkg mysql and /msg dpkg postgresql resume it good. |
| 18:56.28 | miks | ok |
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| 18:57.00 | asuffield | (postgresql is a regular free software project) |
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| 18:57.30 | citral | what does stink more than a cigarette still burning in a full ashtray? |
| 18:58.26 | abrotman | citral: ever been in a car where someone uses the ashtray .. and it's a hot humid day? |
| 18:58.26 | dvs | a cigar? |
| 18:58.26 | asuffield | a decomposing cat |
| 18:58.26 | citral | oh yeah |
| 18:58.26 | Gartt | lol asuffield |
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| 18:58.33 | abrotman | decomposing skunk? |
| 18:58.35 | dvs | my roommate after eating Mexican food |
| 18:58.49 | sobersabre | asuffield, i disagreee.. |
| 18:59.07 | abrotman | my friend's roommate's girlfriend's erm .. girlie parts .. or so he tells me |
| 18:59.09 | sobersabre | abrotman, we don't have real skunks... |
| 18:59.16 | Zepher | ok. next up on Noobs-are-Us: rpm files! |
| 18:59.20 | abrotman | sobersabre: sorry to hear that |
| 18:59.22 | citral | abrotman: ewwwww |
| 18:59.24 | miks | asg, libapache{2}-mod-php4 is getting a E: package couldn't be found |
| 18:59.37 | miks | asg, I just used apt-get install libapache{2}-mod-php4 |
| 18:59.41 | stew | Zepher: the answer is "stay away from them" |
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| 18:59.49 | abrotman | why the {2} ? |
| 18:59.49 | Zepher | ok. |
| 18:59.58 | Zepher | soubnds definitive |
| 19:00.05 | abrotman | miks: pikc the one you want .. install it |
| 19:00.06 | citral | yes sir. |
| 19:00.17 | Zepher | then what? |
| 19:00.24 | stew | Zepher: there is a way to install them as a last resort, but you should exhaust other possibilities first |
| 19:00.29 | Zepher | ok.. |
| 19:00.30 | dvs | Zepher: Find the deb file for it |
| 19:00.31 | stew | Zepher: what are you trying to install? |
| 19:00.35 | Zepher | gaim |
| 19:00.41 | stew | Zepher: apt-get insatll gaim |
| 19:00.42 | stew | next |
| 19:00.43 | citral | apt-get install gaim |
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| 19:00.48 | Zepher | 0_0 |
| 19:00.50 | Zepher | wow |
| 19:01.01 | citral | incredible |
| 19:01.04 | miks | abrot: what do you mean pick the one? |
| 19:01.14 | resiak | miks: Apache or Apacke2. |
| 19:01.20 | resiak | With an h, not a k. |
| 19:01.22 | miks | I have apache2 |
| 19:01.23 | miks | ahhh |
| 19:01.25 | miks | hehe |
| 19:01.49 | miks | I didn't even see the brackets |
| 19:01.58 | miks | long day, need coffee |
| 19:02.00 | Zepher | ok. process captured, learned general install procedures. |
| 19:02.10 | stew | Zepher: /msg dpkg apt-howto |
| 19:02.27 | stew | !WikiFaq Zepher PackageManagement |
| 19:02.28 | dpkg | Zepher: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:02.42 | Zepher | thanks |
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| 19:03.40 | Zepher | which should i prefer: mozilla or konqueror? |
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| 19:04.11 | citral | firefox! |
| 19:04.13 | resiak | Zepher: Whichever you prefer. We don't tell you how to think. |
| 19:04.13 | Zepher | :S |
| 19:04.21 | citral | resiak: yes we do :P |
| 19:04.23 | Zepher | yeah i figured youd say that |
| 19:04.31 | citral | firefox! |
| 19:04.39 | Zepher | too little options |
| 19:04.42 | resiak | Zepher: S'true. They each have their good points. |
| 19:04.53 | Chris``` | how do i delete a directory through ssh ? |
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| 19:05.13 | dvs | Zepher: Well, Mozilla won't be developed for much longer. |
| 19:05.15 | abrotman | aeddan_: are you trolling .. don't make me kick your ass!!!! |
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| 19:05.29 | Zepher | dvs: really? |
| 19:05.44 | resiak | Chris```: Just as you do from any shell. |
| 19:05.52 | Chris``` | wich is ? :| |
| 19:06.07 | dvs | Zepher: Yup. Mozilla is concentrating on Firefox and the like. Mozilla is being turned over to a new group and be called "SeaMonkey" |
| 19:06.13 | resiak | !wich |
| 19:06.13 | dpkg | hmm... wich is the best distribution? |
| 19:06.19 | resiak | Chris```: man rm |
| 19:06.23 | Zepher | XD seamonkey |
| 19:06.24 | Chris``` | ty :p |
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| 19:06.31 | citral | wait wait. he ssh in a box and doesn't know rm? script kiddie? |
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| 19:06.42 | Zepher | even i know rm |
| 19:06.48 | dabreegster | Zepher: elinks |
| 19:07.08 | resiak | !ty |
| 19:07.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player |
| 19:07.20 | Chris``` | bash: Remove: command not found |
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| 19:07.22 | resiak | citral: Probably. *worries about what he has unleashed* |
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| 19:07.36 | dvs | Chris```: man rm |
| 19:07.43 | resiak | dvs: I already told him to do that. |
| 19:07.45 | Chris``` | ta :p i see now |
| 19:07.53 | dvs | resiak: He's not listening. |
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| 19:08.23 | sean_micken | is there a way to turn off flashy frames that follow the window when minimizing in gnome? |
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| 19:09.37 | sean_micken | citral, uh huh and what do you use? |
| 19:09.41 | miks | how can I get my mouse scroll button to work? |
| 19:09.46 | dabreegster | sean_micken: state your browser. |
| 19:09.46 | resiak | sean_micken: I think that setting the apps / metacity / general / reduced_resources gedit key will do that. |
| 19:09.53 | citral | sean_micken: fluxbox and console sometimes |
| 19:10.09 | dvs | !mousewheel miks |
| 19:10.24 | bimmerd00d | what's an mp3 player that looks similar to winamp |
| 19:10.24 | dvs | !mousewheel |
| 19:10.24 | dpkg | Info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
| 19:10.31 | sean_micken | dabreegster, huh? |
| 19:10.33 | citral | bimmerd00d: xmms |
| 19:10.36 | Zepher | hmm on gaim, it wont log into to msn. it just sits there saying connecting |
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| 19:10.46 | sean_micken | resiak, where's that apps menu? |
| 19:10.48 | Chris``` | Msn is down |
| 19:10.48 | miks | dvs, you the man. |
| 19:10.52 | dvs | np |
| 19:10.53 | Zepher | ahh |
| 19:10.56 | Zepher | thanks |
| 19:11.00 | Chris``` | np |
| 19:11.01 | resiak | sean_micken: Applications / System Tools / Configuration Editor |
| 19:11.07 | resiak | Chris```: Well noticed. |
| 19:11.13 | citral | !praise god for msn to be down |
| 19:11.15 | sean_micken | resiak, ahh |
| 19:11.22 | citral | :/ |
| 19:11.22 | dvs | ha |
| 19:11.26 | Zepher | :P i`ve just converted |
| 19:11.41 | resiak | Zepher: Make your friends move to Jabber. |
| 19:11.41 | dvs | Rebooting the Win95 machine |
| 19:11.45 | quittt | MSN Messenger is great |
| 19:11.53 | citral | no |
| 19:11.57 | dvs | !shoot quittt |
| 19:12.11 | resiak | quittt: For what values of "great", pray? |
| 19:12.13 | Zepher | msn messenger is great for the unknowing |
| 19:12.15 | abrotman | !seen aeddan_ |
| 19:12.16 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'aeddan_', abrotman |
| 19:12.18 | Chris``` | !shoot $me |
| 19:12.50 | Zepher | i need my linux to automount my hda2 |
| 19:12.50 | citral | msn sucks asssss |
| 19:12.53 | Chris``` | true^^ |
| 19:13.00 | dvs | Zepher: Put it in your /etc/fstab file |
| 19:13.05 | Zepher | tnx |
| 19:13.06 | palmero | speaking of msn, anyone else here having problems with connecting to it now? |
| 19:13.11 | Zepher | yes |
| 19:13.23 | dvs | palmero: Yup |
| 19:13.32 | quittt | dvs, come'on... dont be stupid... who use ICQ? none, only nerds |
| 19:13.37 | citral | palmero: bitlbee won't connect either |
| 19:13.40 | dabreegster | sean_micken: I recommend elinks, a fast, simple textmode browser |
| 19:13.56 | Chris``` | ~[ palmero ]~ msn == down |
| 19:13.58 | palmero | ok ... thought so cause it doesn't work in any of the programs i've tried |
| 19:13.59 | citral | quittt: a LOT of people use ICQ |
| 19:14.00 | palmero | :) |
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| 19:14.13 | quittt | citral, not the people that I know |
| 19:14.22 | palmero | well ... I'm a *former* windows-fan ;) |
| 19:14.23 | citral | quittt: the intelligent ones, behind a proxy |
| 19:14.28 | Zepher | in fstab how to define a NTFS partition? |
| 19:14.39 | Zepher | what type? |
| 19:14.44 | quittt | Zeit|idle, ntfs |
| 19:14.49 | dvs | Zepher: ntfs |
| 19:14.50 | dabreegster | sean_micken: elinks, a web browser. I recommend it. It is fast and simple. It runs on the command line. No graphics. |
| 19:14.51 | Zepher | ok |
| 19:15.15 | quittt | resiak, MSN is great because you have people to talk |
| 19:15.19 | quittt | in ICQ it is not real... |
| 19:15.34 | citral | it's droids |
| 19:15.35 | dvs | !ntfs Zepher |
| 19:15.41 | dvs | !ntfs |
| 19:15.41 | dpkg | well, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or captive, ... |
| 19:16.19 | slugbug | that's a really nice infobot, what all does it have added? |
| 19:16.27 | sobersabre | what nfs performance measures exist except mtu increase ? |
| 19:16.30 | dvs | !what are you |
| 19:16.30 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:16.34 | slugbug | ah |
| 19:16.37 | Zepher | msn is ok because there are a lot of people on there, it sucks because it is MS. enough said |
| 19:16.39 | resiak | !tell slugbug about stats |
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| 19:16.52 | resiak | slugbug: /msg dpkg stats |
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| 19:16.59 | slugbug | very nice |
| 19:17.04 | quittt | resiak, ICQ is fat, slow, without any recourses and no one uses it... why use it? |
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| 19:17.15 | resiak | quittt: Why the fuck do you think I use ICQ? |
| 19:17.22 | citral | heh |
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| 19:17.35 | quittt | resiak, that you dont use MSN, I think... |
| 19:17.43 | Ronin | quittt: so your not on icq? i know i there was a reason why i liked it |
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| 19:18.15 | k3k0 | yeah msn is down here also |
| 19:18.18 | oguz | why some people like icq and some like msn? |
| 19:18.28 | Ronin | oguz: personal choice mostly |
| 19:18.31 | oguz | we have both amsn and gain |
| 19:18.32 | sobersabre | maybe somebody killed their server... |
| 19:18.34 | citral | why some people like fries and other chips? |
| 19:18.34 | resiak | quittt: I use MSN and AIM because I effectively must, Jabber because I want to. |
| 19:18.43 | goron | After I login (non-graphically), my PATH is as I want it to have. If I login graphically, it's not, anymore. /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc does not change it. I don't know where to search further. |
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| 19:18.50 | oguz | Ronin, is that such easy, can a gacker use amsn? |
| 19:18.51 | sobersabre | oguz, why some people like girls and other like boys ? |
| 19:18.54 | kneet | resiak, heh - sounds familiar |
| 19:18.55 | Zepher | ok. how can i get my default user to access the hda2(ntfs) it is already mounted |
| 19:18.55 | omnistegan | hey guys, someone sent me this link last night: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html I started working through but I cant get the "apt-get -t NVDIST=unstable install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)" command to work, it gives a "E: Package nvidia-kernel-common has no installation candidate" error |
| 19:18.57 | sobersabre | :))) |
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| 19:19.04 | k3k0 | i think icq is better but all friends use msn so i have also use that |
| 19:19.07 | Ronin | oguz: a gacker? |
| 19:19.18 | citral | or better, why some people like shit, and other prefer piss? |
| 19:19.18 | resiak | !tell omnistegan -about simple sid/sarge mix |
| 19:19.20 | dvs | goron: Try .bach_profile |
| 19:19.27 | oguz | Ronin, meaned hacker sorry |
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| 19:19.44 | citral | oguz: you meant cracker. |
| 19:19.44 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.55 | goron | if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then |
| 19:19.55 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.55 | goron | fi |
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| 19:20.02 | oguz | sobersabre, i meaned there should be more than a personal choice, a technical explanation |
| 19:20.05 | buff0 | how to unrar a .rar file |
| 19:20.05 | goron | This is the only code where something happens. |
| 19:20.17 | l3m | buff0: unrar e file.rar |
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| 19:20.20 | citral | buff0: with unrar-nonfree |
| 19:20.21 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 19:20.21 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
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| 19:20.32 | l3m | buff0: you'll need unrar-nonfree for many rar files |
| 19:20.36 | goron | I assume it means, "add /bin to the list of PATH" |
| 19:20.42 | buff0 | l3m, i downloaded it |
| 19:20.43 | sobersabre | oguz, most of the time life facts have not many "technical explanations" |
| 19:20.43 | abrotman | no .. |
| 19:20.49 | abrotman | goron: it adds ~/bin |
| 19:20.52 | oguz | citral, i dont know the exact difference with cracker and hacker, i meane a computer freak or a person that use Open source dists |
| 19:20.52 | Ronin | oguz: well i use msn at work cause i ahve to, icq at home to keep in touch with family, personal choice |
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| 19:20.58 | resiak | buff0: Please answer this question: what are you unraring? |
| 19:20.59 | buff0 | l3m, how to to unrar the .rar file |
| 19:21.06 | quittt | I think MTV should get off the air... |
| 19:21.06 | abrotman | goron: oh wait .. i'm wrong |
| 19:21.09 | buff0 | resiak, partition magic file |
| 19:21.13 | sobersabre | a computer freak... cannot use opensource ? |
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| 19:21.14 | quittt | there is only shit there... |
| 19:21.16 | resiak | buff0: Oh, warez? |
| 19:21.16 | abrotman | goron: it's broken |
| 19:21.25 | Zepher | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.41 | dvs | !ntfs |
| 19:21.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or captive, ... |
| 19:21.41 | buff0 | resiak, no |
| 19:21.51 | sobersabre | buff0, with unrar |
| 19:21.52 | goron | abrotman: How do you mean "it's broken". |
| 19:21.52 | resiak | buff0: ...where did you get this rar file, then? |
| 19:21.58 | abrotman | goron: did you write it ? |
| 19:22.05 | quittt | MTV GET OFF THE AIR NOW!! |
| 19:22.07 | goron | abrotman: no |
| 19:22.10 | buff0 | resiak, my friend ftp |
| 19:22.15 | sobersabre | Zepher, run ls -l /directory/where/you/mounted/it/../ |
| 19:22.16 | resiak | buff0: So it _is_ illegal. |
| 19:22.19 | abrotman | goron: it's not broken really .. but i don't think it does what was intended |
| 19:22.23 | Ronin | quittt: no ones forcing you to watch it |
| 19:22.27 | citral | oguz: basically, a hacker is a developper, or someone who uses his skills to buid, and a cracker uses his skills to destruct |
| 19:22.28 | resiak | buff0: So it _is_ warez, despite what you just said. |
| 19:22.30 | Zepher | kk |
| 19:22.33 | sobersabre | quittt, u mean got or you request mtv to go offline ? |
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| 19:22.37 | resiak | I was vaguely hoping that there was some invisible archive of legal RAR files, but I guess that was a false hope. |
| 19:22.37 | buff0 | resiak, no |
| 19:22.39 | buff0 | it's not |
| 19:22.42 | citral | s/buid/build/ |
| 19:22.44 | buff0 | man forget it |
| 19:22.45 | resiak | buff0: ...it's not illegal? |
| 19:22.45 | abrotman | goron: PATH=~:/bin:"${PATH}" .. see .. it adds ~ , /bin to $PATH |
| 19:22.47 | oguz | citral, then i meaned hacker |
| 19:22.49 | quittt | Ronin, they destroy rock'n roll... |
| 19:22.49 | buff0 | god damn you all |
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| 19:22.53 | resiak | XD |
| 19:22.56 | abrotman | goron: make sense? .. i assume they wanted to add ~/bin |
| 19:23.10 | quittt | Ronin, their job is to destroy what is left of your imagination... |
| 19:23.14 | Ronin | quittt: sure they did |
| 19:23.19 | abrotman | goron: and ~ is the same as $HOME |
| 19:23.30 | goron | abrotman: yes, that's what I thought too. But still I don't know where my PATH is changed. |
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| 19:23.46 | l3m | buff0: unrar e file.rar |
| 19:23.57 | abrotman | goron: i missed the beginning .. but $PATH is usually set by /etc/profile and your profiles |
| 19:23.58 | quittt | Ronin, why Creendence Clearwater, Dead Kennedys(OBVIOUS NOT), Pink Floyd dont apper in TV? only sometimes? |
| 19:24.04 | quittt | because MTV make fun of them |
| 19:24.06 | l3m | buff0: this was the second time, please read in the channel output in the future ;) |
| 19:24.07 | abrotman | quittt: somtimes ? |
| 19:24.07 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | citral ? |
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| 19:24.15 | quittt | and told people hear Britney Spears |
| 19:24.17 | citral | [Zakje]RvGaTe: ? |
| 19:24.19 | abrotman | quittt: oh wait .. i got one for you |
| 19:24.22 | oguz | citral, when we compare msn and icq architecture, which one is more developable, or except from personal choice, can someone says that i chosed to use icq because i can develop some software or i can explore the network... |
| 19:24.27 | RvGaTe | citral, server running good ;) |
| 19:24.32 | resiak | l3m: You're too late, he's gone. I apparently scared him off. |
| 19:24.34 | robf-wrk | whats a good util to see what hardware is being used, something similar to lspci? |
| 19:24.35 | RvGaTe | citral, also got the ssh working |
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| 19:24.36 | abrotman | quittt: http://www.little-gamers.com/comics/00001065.gif |
| 19:24.36 | robf-wrk | I have a problem |
| 19:24.37 | citral | RvGaTe: nice |
| 19:24.38 | goron | abrotman: Is there some list with all possible placed where it can be changed? |
| 19:24.42 | grendal_prime | anyone using kphone? |
| 19:24.46 | RvGaTe | :D |
| 19:24.47 | grendal_prime | voip that is? |
| 19:24.49 | RvGaTe | i feel prou |
| 19:24.50 | abrotman | goron: not that iknow of |
| 19:24.51 | RvGaTe | proud |
| 19:24.55 | Ronin | quittt: cause they have shitty videos mostly from that era |
| 19:24.57 | l3m | resiak: well done ;) |
| 19:25.06 | robf-wrk | I have two identical systems, and identical setups (same /etc/modules et cetera) yet lspci is showing different output |
| 19:25.06 | dvs | RvGaTe: Good. Let's hack it ;-) |
| 19:25.10 | abrotman | goron: but usually /etc/profile,~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc |
| 19:25.15 | robf-wrk | instead of two of the fibre cards one is slated as unknown device |
| 19:25.18 | abrotman | quittt: you like that ? |
| 19:25.21 | RvGaTe | dvs, lol, i doubt that ;) |
| 19:25.26 | RvGaTe | dvs, (good router) |
| 19:25.28 | goron | abrotman: I already did those :(, but thx. |
| 19:25.28 | l3m | robf-wrk: obviously, they are not identical systems then |
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| 19:25.35 | abrotman | goron: okeedokee .. |
| 19:25.40 | robf-wrk | l3m they are |
| 19:25.42 | abrotman | goron: i guess i don't know what your problem is |
| 19:25.43 | robf-wrk | =\ |
| 19:25.55 | RvGaTe | brb, getting server back in its place |
| 19:26.00 | citral | oguz: I think I know what you mean. Anyway it's a pita, and a waste of time imo to developp for closed proprietary protocols. |
| 19:26.00 | abrotman | robf-wrk: you realize that sometimes hardware people changes chips? |
| 19:26.34 | quittt | abrotman, like what? |
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| 19:26.39 | quittt | abrotman, rock and roll? |
| 19:26.43 | quittt | yes... |
| 19:26.45 | abrotman | quittt: the comic |
| 19:26.47 | oguz | citral, so how gaim and amsn had been written, but it seems you mean msn ? |
| 19:26.48 | quittt | and yes |
| 19:26.52 | quittt | liked very cool |
| 19:26.58 | grendal_prime | assistance with SIP in general in general would be cool |
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| 19:27.05 | quittt | amsn always crash here!! |
| 19:27.08 | quittt | WHY?? |
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| 19:27.10 | l3m | robf-wrk: maybe the cards are from a different series |
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| 19:27.16 | l3m | robf-wrk: and one has been updated |
| 19:27.16 | robf-wrk | abrotman this is a production line equipment (network testing) the cards are quite identical |
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| 19:27.27 | robf-wrk | the drivers are for them, yet I assume myabe one is bad or something =x |
| 19:27.30 | citral | oguz: some kind of reverse engeneering probably. It's not easy for the developpers. |
| 19:27.39 | abrotman | robf-wrk: apparently not :) |
| 19:27.49 | abrotman | robf-wrk: why don't you try switching the cards in the machines? |
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| 19:28.03 | l3m | robf-wrk: switch the cards and come back if the same machine doesn't recognize the other card |
| 19:28.19 | robf-wrk | good idea |
| 19:28.20 | robf-wrk | brb |
| 19:28.24 | citral | oguz: so before complaining that amsn crashes, complain to microsoft to ask them to document their protocols ;) |
| 19:28.57 | Ronin | or use gaim, never crashed on me |
| 19:29.13 | citral | gaim is pretty stable |
| 19:29.16 | abrotman | this is why i'm the smart one here |
| 19:29.26 | abrotman | hrm .. i guess that's a FLW :) |
| 19:29.33 | quittt | why amsn crashes frequently? it didnt happenned with Slackware... |
| 19:29.33 | dvs | !praise abrotman |
| 19:29.39 | dvs | Doh! |
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| 19:30.08 | abrotman | dpkg: you want my baby? |
| 19:30.32 | archpollux | i'm having problems with the jabber daemon, the clients i tried (kopete and psi) would simply try to connect forever |
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| 19:30.35 | citral | looks like he changed his mind |
| 19:30.43 | dvs | archpollux: msn is down |
| 19:30.53 | dvs | archpollux: If that's what you're trying to use |
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| 19:30.57 | citral | great day :) |
| 19:30.59 | l3m | abrotman: you into botsex?;) |
| 19:30.59 | pingouin | yep |
| 19:31.02 | archpollux | dvs: i said jabber |
| 19:31.08 | abrotman | l3m: yeah |
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| 19:31.13 | abrotman | archpollux: jabber.org? |
| 19:31.16 | l3m | ;) |
| 19:31.20 | pingouin | bitlbee autoreconnec for me since a moment |
| 19:31.37 | pingouin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.41 | archpollux | abrotman: no, as i said, the jabber daemon... i installed it on my network and now i'm trying to connect to it |
| 19:31.49 | archpollux | abrotman: yes, i did configure it |
| 19:32.03 | abrotman | archpollux: ah .. ok .. sorry .. i just know that jabber.org has been borked most of the day :) |
| 19:32.08 | pingouin | at last msn burn ? ;) |
| 19:32.14 | archpollux | hehe |
| 19:32.21 | archpollux | abrotman: oh, ok, np |
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| 19:33.18 | abrotman | is this the part where kawfee turns into caphuso again? |
| 19:34.07 | oguz | citral, indeed i am not complaining, just trying to understand the situation, i know msn is a microsoft product, but linus users use it |
| 19:34.10 | FarrisG | I setup a script last night to create a debmirror. The script ran debmirror 4 times, once for testing, once for testing/non-us, once for unstable, once for unstable/non-us. What's wrong with this? It all ran fine, but when it completed, it had removed all of dists/testing and left only dists/unstable |
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| 19:34.45 | l3m | pingouin: msn is down generally |
| 19:34.53 | l3m | pingouin: not your clients fault |
| 19:35.03 | abrotman | why do people still use MSN ? |
| 19:35.11 | l3m | pingouin: or they changed something...again...to keep us non-windows people out |
| 19:35.15 | goron | abrotman: If I do startx, my PATH variable is not changed. But I do it via GDM, it is. Does this give you a clue? |
| 19:35.22 | Ronin | abrotman: same as alwyas some like it, some have to at work |
| 19:35.22 | elpha | hey, i'm having trouble setting up pure-ftpd, its hanging in the debconf |
| 19:35.31 | abrotman | goron: yeah .. and i bet it's been explained to you before :) |
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| 19:35.58 | pingouin | abrotman: she's beautiful, i love her, but can convince her to swith to debian/ or use something else than msn :/ |
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| 19:36.13 | quittt | abrotman, because it is only IM that has people using it |
| 19:36.13 | pingouin | s/can/can't |
| 19:36.15 | Ronin | and speaking of work i should actually do some today, apparently when they pay me they expect me to work fo rit |
| 19:36.21 | maw_ | I there any good free video editors? |
| 19:36.22 | abrotman | quittt: say what? |
| 19:36.28 | citral | oguz: because it's hard to educate your microsoft-using friends. Like when they send you stupid html mails, you don't want to bother them everytime with "html mails suck, please send text only". Anyway they will answer "what? ht-what?". Same for msn. ("oh but I like to have the picture when talking") |
| 19:36.32 | abrotman | pingouin: jabber? :) |
| 19:36.36 | FarrisG | anyone here use debmirror much? |
| 19:36.46 | abrotman | quittt: everyone i know is on aim or jabber |
| 19:36.53 | Zepher | aarrgg i dont get this stuff. |
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| 19:37.14 | dvs | Oh darn. MSN is back. |
| 19:37.17 | elpha | f |
| 19:37.19 | l3m | abrotman: well seems you have an sub-average amount of so-called normal people in your buddy list ;) |
| 19:37.21 | citral | holly shit |
| 19:37.28 | abrotman | l3m: 100+ ? |
| 19:37.29 | goron | abrotman: I don't understand, I looked in the conf file of gdm, there's no reference to PATH. |
| 19:37.30 | Zepher | i just need to automount the /dev/hda2(ntfs)and get my user to have access |
| 19:37.31 | Ronin | dvs: thanks fo rthe warning, ill make sure to leave mine off |
| 19:37.34 | distempr | where's the chkrootkit sources? |
| 19:37.36 | abrotman | goron: .bashrc |
| 19:37.38 | dvs | Ronin: ;-) |
| 19:37.46 | pingouin | it's hard to make people that «dont care about computer» just want to use their «usual» apps, run something else....:/ at the least stuff that's is not «the same» they go away :/ |
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| 19:37.49 | abrotman | goron: which terminal are you using ? |
| 19:37.52 | abrotman | !.bashrc |
| 19:37.55 | abrotman | !bashrc |
| 19:37.55 | dpkg | well, ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 19:37.59 | abrotman | see |
| 19:38.20 | goron | abrotman: It's not there. |
| 19:38.24 | oguz | citral, we shouldnt include my friends to the talk :) but anyway i understand the point, thanx |
| 19:38.28 | abrotman | ok .. i tried |
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| 19:38.37 | abrotman | goron: you haven't actually said what you're triyng to do |
| 19:38.41 | pingouin | MSN - Logged in |
| 19:38.41 | goron | abrotman: I am using konsole. |
| 19:38.55 | abrotman | what does gdm have to do with konsole? |
| 19:38.56 | Zepher | msn - connecting indefinatly |
| 19:39.12 | goron | abrotman: Well, that's the only difference in my actions. |
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| 19:39.25 | citral | oguz: oh yeah, wasn't so personal. I count most of my friends in that, and family. (though family listen to my advices) |
| 19:39.25 | dabreegster | I just installed a new kernel from a non-offical kernel-image package and tried to boot it. It would get as far as displaying 'boot' and then restart. Recovery mode did the same. |
| 19:39.26 | goron | abrotman: I don't think you understand what I am doing anymore. |
| 19:39.27 | abrotman | goron: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:39.30 | goron | :) |
| 19:39.35 | dabreegster | It was patched with debsplash. WHat should I do? |
| 19:39.35 | abrotman | goron: i never did :) |
| 19:40.21 | goron | abrotman: I changed PATH in /etc/profile (thus when someone logs in, the PATH variable is initialized). |
| 19:40.34 | abrotman | goron: yep . konsole won't read that :) |
| 19:40.41 | goron | abrotman: Normally I login via gdm. |
| 19:40.43 | citral | I've already conviced my father to stop buying online with his credit card number. fiouuuuu |
| 19:40.43 | abrotman | goron: you did try man konsole ? |
| 19:40.49 | elpha | http://img190.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img190&image=wtf3nn.png |
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| 19:40.59 | elpha | screen shot of the place where i'm hanging |
| 19:41.05 | RvGaTe | Thank you for creating debian ;) |
| 19:41.12 | elpha | np |
| 19:41.14 | RvGaTe | it changed my life.. |
| 19:41.23 | l3m | Zepher: yeah looks ms changed to fuckin msn protocol again ;( |
| 19:41.23 | dvs | RvGaTe: you welcome |
| 19:41.26 | abrotman | elpha: it's hanging or you don't know how to answer? |
| 19:41.27 | goron | abrotman: If I do that, the PATH variable is not changed. |
| 19:41.34 | Chris``` | can anyone help please .. when i do tar xzfv blah.tar.gz i am getting "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--length error " and "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error" i am getting this error on more than 1 tar.gz |
| 19:41.35 | abrotman | goron: do what? |
| 19:41.44 | goron | abrotman: Logging in via gdm. |
| 19:41.52 | elpha | abrotman: i know how to answer, it hangs on either responce |
| 19:41.53 | pingouin | l3m: i'm in : MSN, tcham@hotmail.fr (connected) |
| 19:41.56 | abrotman | goron: did it work before? |
| 19:42.03 | abrotman | elpha: oh . BTS? |
| 19:42.14 | goron | abrotman: No, but it does work when I start x by startx. |
| 19:42.16 | dvs | Chris```: Try tar xzvf blah.tar.gz |
| 19:42.17 | abrotman | pingouin: that's your problem .. yo're french :) |
| 19:42.21 | Zepher | lol |
| 19:42.22 | elpha | abrontman: ... don't know what that means.. |
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| 19:42.25 | grendal_prime | SIP anyone?? |
| 19:42.28 | abrotman | !bts |
| 19:42.28 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:42.37 | pedro420 | RvGaTe: I don't know if I should say "you're welcome" or "you're pathetic" :) |
| 19:42.44 | goron | abrotman: So gdm ignores/overwrites /etc/profile. |
| 19:42.45 | pingouin | abrotman: i'm living in, but i'm not ;) |
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| 19:42.48 | RvGaTe | pedro420, bith would be good |
| 19:42.50 | RvGaTe | both |
| 19:42.52 | abrotman | goron: so in your .bash_profile .. at the very end .. try source ~/.bashrc |
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| 19:42.59 | l3m | pingouin: well i can't connect ;( |
| 19:43.00 | abrotman | whoops .. i got that backwards :) |
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| 19:43.03 | asg | pedro420: is this a result of eating at Taco Bell? |
| 19:43.06 | abrotman | goron: backwards |
| 19:43.07 | pedro420 | hah |
| 19:43.10 | dvs | ha! |
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| 19:43.24 | goron | abrotman: :? |
| 19:43.28 | abrotman | goron: in your .bashrc put `source ~/.bash_profile` at the end(no quotes) |
| 19:43.30 | pedro420 | no I am at a friends house.. I had to come over and finalize their net installation, cause as it turns out comcast doesnt support linux |
| 19:43.32 | pedro420 | go figure |
| 19:43.40 | abrotman | pedro420: bullshit |
| 19:43.54 | abrotman | comcast may not .. but it works perfectly fine |
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| 19:44.01 | pedro420 | abrotman: they require you to run this program, or you cant get to the web. |
| 19:44.01 | grendal_prime | comcast has a asp web page you have to use to finish setup...it sucks ass |
| 19:44.17 | pedro420 | abrotman: I had to bring over a windows laptop to run the software on |
| 19:44.28 | grendal_prime | well they did in sanrafel last time i had to set up something on their system anyhow |
| 19:44.29 | abrotman | pedro420: they lied to you :) |
| 19:44.32 | paulswm | !beat comcast |
| 19:44.43 | abrotman | pedro420: i have comcast .. never done such a thing |
| 19:44.45 | pedro420 | abrotman: I told them to do the shit over the phone, but they refused |
| 19:44.52 | quittt | beat on the brat with a baseball bat... |
| 19:44.52 | pedro420 | abrotman: I have it too, and never done it |
| 19:44.55 | abrotman | pedro420: guess they don't like you |
| 19:45.01 | Chris``` | ~[ dvs ]~ thats what i was using (tar xzvf |
| 19:45.04 | grendal_prime | pedro420, ...i had the same exact problem |
| 19:45.13 | paulswm | pedro420: prolly your newly acquired Spanish accent |
| 19:45.14 | pedro420 | abrotman: they changed it.. to compete with aol.. now you have to run this utility that installs protection tools, configures MSIE, and Outlook..et |
| 19:45.20 | Chris``` | (typo) |
| 19:45.31 | pedro420 | the shitt thing is, the site it takes you to runs on Red Hat Linux |
| 19:45.45 | elpha | abrotman: nothing on BTS, but that's for pointhing that resource out to me :) |
| 19:45.48 | goron | abrotman: useless. The path is defined in /etc/profile, not in ~/.bash_profile |
| 19:45.50 | dabreegster | What should I do if my new kernel reboots early during boot? |
| 19:45.54 | abrotman | pedro420: call them back .. tell them you don't need that crap |
| 19:46.02 | Zepher | ok. i need help on the mounting permission thing. |
| 19:46.03 | unerfahren | I'm the first time here. I'm trying to install debian with the new installer (testing), but dns isn't working. Any ideas? |
| 19:46.08 | dvs | dabreegster: consistently? |
| 19:46.10 | abrotman | pedro420: that's rediculous .. and if i move .. and they tell me to do that .. i'll switch providers |
| 19:46.15 | grendal_prime | ya there are some many companys now...adopeted the policy of "its broke...add more crap to it to fix it!!!" |
| 19:46.34 | abrotman | goron: you can have your .bash_profile source your /etc/profile .. or have .bashrc source /etc/profile |
| 19:46.41 | dabreegster | dvs: every time I boot into it, I'll see the first few lines, 'boot', and it reboots. |
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| 19:46.51 | abrotman | goron: if you want to know exactly what's going on .. ask #debian-kde |
| 19:46.57 | dvs | dabreegster: And you don't have a kernel that works? |
| 19:46.57 | dabreegster | dvs: it's a kernel from a kernel-image package patched with debsplash |
| 19:47.00 | grendal_prime | abrotman, you know anything about SIP on a local lan? |
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| 19:47.04 | abrotman | paulswm: no other options for cable around here |
| 19:47.12 | goron | abrotman: I use gnome, but use as a terminal konsole. |
| 19:47.15 | abrotman | grendal_prime: not a freaking thing .. but cisco makes cool IP phones :) |
| 19:47.21 | goron | abrotman: Only for internationalisation. |
| 19:47.23 | abrotman | goron: why? |
| 19:47.29 | dabreegster | dvs: I do. I'm in my old one now. |
| 19:47.30 | abrotman | but gnome-term does fine |
| 19:47.37 | grendal_prime | ya...i just want to dink around with it on this lan... |
| 19:47.42 | paulswm | abrotman: shame. I thought you said you'd swich providers, hence my remark |
| 19:47.42 | goron | abrotman: Well, not at that time (6 months ago). |
| 19:47.44 | abrotman | toresbe: which term do you use? |
| 19:47.47 | dvs | dabreegster: I'd look at the /var/log/messages file to see any error messages. |
| 19:47.50 | abrotman | paulswm: yes .. to dsl :) |
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| 19:47.56 | dabreegster | dvs: alright |
| 19:47.56 | goron | abrotman: I started it with UTF8 and stuff. |
| 19:48.03 | toresbe | abrotman: a vt100 and a Norsk Data greenscreen |
| 19:48.06 | paulswm | abrotman: But DSL sucks ass compared to cable |
| 19:48.10 | toresbe | abrotman: oh, in my X server? :) |
| 19:48.11 | abrotman | !smack toresbe |
| 19:48.15 | toresbe | aterm :) |
| 19:48.16 | goron | abrotman: But it wasn't able to show everything correctly. |
| 19:48.19 | abrotman | paulswm: compared to needing windows ? |
| 19:48.29 | abrotman | goron: toresbe uses aterm |
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| 19:48.35 | paulswm | abrotman: apparently just for the setup |
| 19:48.37 | abrotman | toresbe: does it work right with .nl chars? |
| 19:48.43 | abrotman | paulswm: too much windows needed |
| 19:48.49 | abrotman | paulswm: what if i have a mac? |
| 19:48.52 | toresbe | sure, works nice with Norwegian æøå |
| 19:48.56 | abrotman | pedro420: tell them you only have a mac |
| 19:48.57 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:49.07 | toresbe | see no reason that it shouldn't work with all the latin1s |
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| 19:49.31 | paulswm | abrotman: well if you want to go to a slower service becasue of a OS/religious reason, that's your choice |
| 19:49.55 | abrotman | paulswm: there's no reason i shuld *need* a windows machine to install msn and anti virus just to use a linux box with a cable modem |
| 19:50.01 | dippo | anyone know if CONFIG_QUOTA works with ext3? |
| 19:50.11 | dippo | it says ext2 only, but ext3 being just ext2 with a journal, i wonder.. |
| 19:50.20 | paulswm | abrotman: then go with the slower DSL service |
| 19:50.51 | paulswm | dippo: Yes, I see no reason why it shouldn't |
| 19:50.57 | abrotman | paulswm: besides the fact that i cannot find on thier website anywhere that windows is required |
| 19:51.01 | pedro420 | abrotman: they said they support mac, just not linux |
| 19:51.30 | goron | abrotman: That's more like it. So source basically exports every variable in /etc/profile (in this specific application). |
| 19:51.36 | abrotman | pedro420: what's the fucking difference .. stupid fucking comcast idiots |
| 19:51.37 | paulswm | abrotman: RoadRunner had this funky web setup thingy for IE too, I just ignored it |
| 19:51.47 | unerfahren | I just did a basic install for debian testing, but can't go further. I can connect to the internet, but dns is not working. Where could I find info on this? |
| 19:51.47 | abrotman | goron: it sources the file :) |
| 19:51.57 | abrotman | paulswm: comcast says you *must* |
| 19:52.00 | pedro420 | abrotman: I told the idiot on the phone the proxy that I was hitting that wanted me to d/l all this crap is running on Red Hat.. I could tell when I typed in an invalid url, and it said it was running Apache on Red Hat |
| 19:52.22 | pedro420 | abrotman: so they use and support linux, just not for the end user |
| 19:52.38 | pngwn | unerfahren, there's an install manual on debian.org |
| 19:52.50 | pedro420 | abrotman: their software does stuff linux systems wouldnt allow.. like changing settings, and installing 3rd party software without permission |
| 19:52.57 | goron | abrotman: And what's "sourcing", without using cyclic definitions? :-) |
| 19:53.03 | pedro420 | abrotman: they are becomming like AOL |
| 19:53.04 | RvGaTe | By default, how save is debian from hackers ? |
| 19:53.09 | RvGaTe | safe |
| 19:53.11 | RvGaTe | or save |
| 19:53.14 | abrotman | pedro420: http://comcast.com/Support/Corp1/FAQ/FaqDetail_2539.html .. looks like they support linux to me :) |
| 19:53.15 | RvGaTe | :S |
| 19:53.15 | paulswm | pedro420: "idiot on the phone" is the operative phrase. On the few occasions that I've called RoadRunner, I've talked to a real tech who understands stuff |
| 19:53.31 | abrotman | goron: it "runs" the file |
| 19:53.34 | Zepher | i have set the /mnt/hda2 umask to 0777 but my user still can touch it. |
| 19:53.44 | unerfahren | pngwn, I looked at this but I didn't find what to do. I'll look again ... |
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| 19:53.50 | abrotman | pedro420: http://comcast.com/Support/FaqResults.asp?SearchHelp=linux&x=0&y=0 |
| 19:53.56 | abrotman | pedro420: they even tell you how to use kmail |
| 19:53.57 | dvs | Zepher: Did you set the gid to users? |
| 19:53.59 | pedro420 | abrotman: yeah, they support linspire |
| 19:54.03 | pngwn | unerfahren, is there anything in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:54.10 | Zepher | not yet :) |
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| 19:54.20 | pngwn | unerfahren, the FAQ in the topic is helpful too |
| 19:54.22 | abrotman | pedro420: oh . that's juts fucking dumb |
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| 19:54.51 | cahoot | Zepher: isn't umask 0777 rather exclusive? |
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| 19:55.03 | Zepher | i thought that meant all |
| 19:55.03 | dvs | cahoot: Very |
| 19:55.14 | dvs | Zepher: It means none. |
| 19:55.17 | Zepher | lol |
| 19:55.18 | abrotman | pedro420: so tell them you're running linspire ? |
| 19:55.20 | cahoot | dvs might explain some of his probs |
| 19:55.22 | pedro420 | abrotman: I gave the fool my modems mac address.. I had the modem hooked up in their intertainment center, had a network cable ran to the pc.. the shit was all setup when the guy got here this morning. |
| 19:55.23 | Zepher | yeah |
| 19:55.25 | dvs | !bofh |
| 19:55.25 | dpkg | well, bofh is http://bofh.ntk.net, or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done Bastard Operator from Hell, read it. at http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/ |
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| 19:55.40 | pedro420 | abrotman: I wasnt here when the tech came to the house |
| 19:55.44 | abrotman | doh! |
| 19:56.02 | Zepher | so in fstab. type would be ntfs and options ?? |
| 19:56.03 | pedro420 | abrotman: I provided them with the installation kit, before the tech ever came out, and set it up for them |
| 19:56.04 | unerfahren | pngwn, yes in resolv.conf there were too lines: First: search + a bogus domain name, and then a line with my nameserver |
| 19:56.12 | goron | abrotman: I know it's a tcl interpreter, but I don't know TCL. But hearing your answers, you neither. |
| 19:56.23 | maw_ | My firefox suddenly started to behave strange. It is crashing all the time. Anyone have got a clue why? |
| 19:56.23 | abrotman | goron: it has nothing to do with tcl :) |
| 19:56.28 | RvGaTe | why was my question just blatantly ignored ? |
| 19:56.32 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 19:56.32 | goron | man source :) |
| 19:56.41 | abrotman | goron: i bet it's the worng man page |
| 19:56.53 | abrotman | goron: man bash :) |
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| 19:57.06 | Zepher | in /etc/fstab. type would be 'ntfs' and options would be ?? |
| 19:57.13 | pngwn | unerfahren, in mine there is my real domain and my name servers |
| 19:57.16 | abrotman | goron: then search for source .. it's the second hit |
| 19:57.24 | dvs | Zepher: /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 19:57.28 | Zepher | no! |
| 19:57.31 | Zepher | i tried that |
| 19:57.35 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 19:57.37 | dvs | Zepher: Tried what? |
| 19:57.40 | abrotman | what luck |
| 19:57.48 | Zepher | the links in the dpkg ntfs |
| 19:57.57 | paulswm | RvGaTe: Your question is unanswerable as asked. However, it is generally a lot safer than the default Windows XP installation. |
| 19:57.57 | pedro420 | I am just testing his gaim messenger out right now, I got Freenode Channels (#debian, #debian-kde, #flood) Buddies (nvz) Debian Bots (apt, dpkg, ravenbird) and Freenode Services (chanserv, nickserv) all programmed into his buddy list |
| 19:58.00 | Zepher | there i got the 0777 from -_- |
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| 19:58.04 | unerfahren | pngwn: but would be my real domain, given that I'm in a private net (I need to use a proxy) |
| 19:58.08 | dvs | Zepher: Not the links, the options in the info |
| 19:58.15 | dvs | Zepher: no, 0777 is not there. |
| 19:58.16 | abrotman | pedro420: you know nvz? |
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| 19:58.22 | pedro420 | abrotman: I am nvz |
| 19:58.25 | abrotman | pedro420: you lie! |
| 19:58.26 | pedro420 | heh |
| 19:58.30 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 19:58.33 | abrotman | pedro420: he is from texas! |
| 19:58.38 | RvGaTe | paulswm, i know its safer, but what about firewall... ? |
| 19:58.39 | pedro420 | if I weren't nvz could I do this... |
| 19:58.41 | Zepher | in the links it gives there waqs |
| 19:58.42 | abrotman | pedro420: you are obviously not with a name like pedro! |
| 19:58.43 | Zepher | was* |
| 19:58.45 | nv1 | er |
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| 19:58.49 | nv1 | thats right I am signed on |
| 19:58.50 | goron | abrotman: you are right. How transparant... ARG! |
| 19:58.55 | abrotman | goron: sorry :) |
| 19:58.55 | nv1 | I gotta ghost nvz first |
| 19:58.58 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:59.06 | dvs | Zepher: It's not in the links. It's right in the info. |
| 19:59.15 | pedro420 | oh well. I am not ghosting myself |
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| 19:59.17 | abrotman | pedro420: oh well .. comcast sucks .. move back to texas |
| 19:59.20 | goron | abrotman: I mean, I read the documentation, is it the wrong documentation... |
| 19:59.30 | abrotman | goron: man bash is wrong? |
| 19:59.32 | pedro420 | they have charter down there |
| 19:59.42 | goron | abrotman: No, man source is "wrong". |
| 19:59.46 | abrotman | they have charter in altoona |
| 19:59.48 | Zepher | dvs: yeah i found it. i`m sorry |
| 19:59.49 | abrotman | goron: oh ok |
| 19:59.51 | pedro420 | I am referring people to telerama, or earthlink from now on |
| 19:59.53 | goron | abrotman: So that makes you right. |
| 20:00.02 | abrotman | goron: see above . i'm always right :) |
| 20:00.17 | goron | abrotman: And therefor doesn't put you in a state of mental collapse. |
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| 20:00.26 | p88 | hi all |
| 20:00.27 | abrotman | goron: only with beer |
| 20:00.29 | goron | abrotman: Which is a good thing :) |
| 20:00.30 | pedro420 | this anti-linux campaign they are on, lost my interest.. I've already installed Debian 3.1 Sarge on 3 pcs since I've been back.. and there will be more to come. |
| 20:00.40 | pedro420 | I am going to rape their business from now on |
| 20:00.40 | abrotman | pedro420: call and bitch |
| 20:00.40 | Zepher | so gid would be users or xxx ? |
| 20:00.47 | Ronin | well that was enough work for me this afternoon, back to slacking off |
| 20:00.58 | abrotman | pedro420: verizon is cheaper . and for the casual user .. a better deal |
| 20:01.10 | elpha | abrontman: hey, i did "apt-get build-dep pure-ftpd" and i don't know if that was neccesary, or might even be causing the problem in the first place... is their any way i can undo that? |
| 20:01.28 | abrotman | Ronin: you are De Niro? |
| 20:01.38 | abrotman | only one 'n' |
| 20:01.46 | Ronin | abrotman: :) |
| 20:01.52 | abrotman | elpha: apt-get insatll pure-ftpd ? |
| 20:01.54 | abrotman | err install |
| 20:02.01 | elpha | ok.. |
| 20:02.17 | pedro420 | I can see why they want to be like AOL and offer seemless setup and "protection" services to their users, but to someone running a linux kernel with a built in packet filter, they either need to get up to speed and learn how to make a setup for that, or continue allowing new customers to join the old fashion way, you call up and give them your modems mac address, and they put you online without any bullshit |
| 20:02.25 | elpha | abrotman: works, then hangs |
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| 20:02.34 | abrotman | elpha: yay .. something is really wrong |
| 20:02.42 | p88 | I have a question on kernel configuration: |
| 20:02.46 | abrotman | pedro420: you sohuld have just handed the fucktard a hardware router :) |
| 20:03.07 | elpha | abrotman: well fuck.. this is a new VPS.. |
| 20:03.13 | pedro420 | I'd prefer they just leave linux users alone.. because if they made a 3rd party app, I wouldnt want to run it anyhow |
| 20:03.19 | p88 | in the NLS section of the kernel configuration, there is a default NLS option which I want to set to UTF-8. It is set to iso8859-15 now. My question is, how is the codepage UTF-8 understood by the kernel configuration? It might be utf-8 but I am not sure. |
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| 20:03.44 | dvs | p88: You can have both. |
| 20:03.45 | abrotman | elpha: VPS? |
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| 20:03.59 | elpha | abrotman: virual private server |
| 20:04.03 | p88 | dvs: What do you mean? |
| 20:04.03 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:04.11 | abrotman | elpha: oh .. i really have no idea then |
| 20:04.12 | redduck666 | everytime i boot my computer i have to run alsaconf to make my soundcard work, any way to avoid this? to store settings or something like that? |
| 20:04.17 | p88 | dvs: I want utf-8 only |
| 20:04.22 | elpha | abrotman: alright.. well thanks for your help |
| 20:04.30 | p88 | dvs: I want my entire system to be utf8 |
| 20:04.31 | abrotman | elpha: you could try another ftpd ? |
| 20:04.32 | Zepher | dvs: thank you. all works now |
| 20:04.36 | abrotman | hellix? |
| 20:04.41 | elpha | abrotman: any suggestions? |
| 20:04.48 | dvs | p88: You can load them both but set utf-8 as default |
| 20:04.51 | abrotman | elpha: i like proftpd |
| 20:04.53 | dvs | Zepher: np |
| 20:04.56 | quittt | I dont update my sarge for one month and a half... |
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| 20:04.59 | abrotman | elpha: others recommend vsftpd |
| 20:04.59 | quittt | is it dangerous? |
| 20:05.00 | pedro420 | abrotman: they need to "activate" the account anyhow before you can get past the intranet.. and the only way they apperently train techs to do this anymore, is with their instllation kit software, which doesnt run without MSIE and Outlook, which means Windows or Mac only |
| 20:05.05 | maw_ | if none of the mozilla browsers work, which should i use? |
| 20:05.19 | p88 | dvs: is it utf-8 or utf8? |
| 20:05.21 | abrotman | pedro420: how about they just .. "turn it on" :) |
| 20:05.24 | quittt | maw_, why they dont work? |
| 20:05.35 | pedro420 | seriously. |
| 20:05.38 | maw_ | quittt, I do not know, |
| 20:05.48 | maw_ | They are crashing all the time |
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| 20:05.53 | quittt | using WIndows? |
| 20:05.57 | elpha | abrotman: ok, general question, when should i be using "build-dep" |
| 20:05.57 | maw_ | no |
| 20:06.07 | heavy-to-da-D | Anybody here have experience with Cedega on Debian? |
| 20:06.07 | maw_ | I am using GNU/Linux Debian |
| 20:06.11 | dvs | p88: I don't know offhand. |
| 20:06.12 | quittt | well |
| 20:06.20 | quittt | how they crash? |
| 20:06.21 | p88 | dvs: I will just try it |
| 20:06.31 | maw_ | everytime I click on a link |
| 20:06.45 | maw_ | its very annoying |
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| 20:07.20 | resiak | HeavyD: Works perfectly. |
| 20:07.31 | HeavyD | Any difficulties at all Resiak? |
| 20:07.56 | SyphonAI | resiak: do you have to have a nvidia graphics card for that to work best? |
| 20:08.09 | abrotman | elpha: i never have .. been using debian for 7-8 years |
| 20:08.14 | HeavyD | Resiak:I have an ATI card so i've been having problems getting the fglrx drivers working... I ended up having to get SUSE Specific drivers |
| 20:08.19 | resiak | SyphonAI: I also use it on a laptop with an embedded Intel chip. |
| 20:08.23 | pedro420 | well these two people I setup linux for recently, both went to school for programming, so with any luck I can jog their memories, and get them motivated |
| 20:08.27 | maw_ | quittt, I used to work perfectly, until yesterday |
| 20:08.28 | resiak | !tell HeavyD -about ati drivers |
| 20:08.48 | resiak | HeavyD: Well, making Deus Ex run is a bit iffy at times, but no unexpected problems. |
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| 20:09.04 | pedro420 | my other friend took C/C++ programming in high school, and this one went to Vo-tech for computer programming |
| 20:09.09 | SEcki | !tell secki -about ati drivers |
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| 20:09.31 | HeavyD | resiak: thanks very much, I appreciate the advice. |
| 20:09.46 | SyphonAI | i have a 9800 and i want to kill windows and put linux/cedega but i been affraid to... lol |
| 20:09.48 | elpha | abrotman: noted, and thanks again, vsftpd just apt-get installed fine, i'm going to go from there |
| 20:09.59 | abrotman | elpha: ok .. goodie |
| 20:10.00 | Lorenzo | question: i installed apache2 (on my debian sarge box) then had problems (i corrupted some file) so i apt-get remove --purge apache2, and i apt-get install apache |
| 20:10.04 | maw_ | anyway, now when the mozilla based browsers does not work, what should instead? |
| 20:10.11 | HeavyD | SyphonAI: I have a 9800 pro and it works pretty good with SuSE 9.2 |
| 20:10.20 | Lorenzo | it installed,and it works, but i have, in the /var/www/users/ folders for all the user accounts i've set up on the computer |
| 20:10.23 | dvs | Lorenzo: Should have been apt-get --reinstall install apache2 |
| 20:10.33 | SyphonAI | HeavyD, i would rather stay with debian... |
| 20:10.39 | Lorenzo | well i uninstalled apache2 and installed apache1.3, which is what people recommended i do :-/ |
| 20:10.41 | abrotman | dvs: not to replace conf files |
| 20:10.42 | SyphonAI | HeavyD, main reason why i havn't messed with it yet |
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| 20:11.01 | resiak | !tell SEcki -about msgdpkg |
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| 20:11.09 | HeavyD | SyphonAI: Yeah I am wanting to switch to Debian too because I hear it is pretty good |
| 20:11.13 | HeavyD | am I correct? |
| 20:11.25 | Lorenzo | anyway, how do i view user accounts, and remove them? like, i don't need a "admin", "ftp", "hi", "penguin", and "smc" accouunt... all of which i suppose i set up at one point for wahtever reason |
| 20:11.27 | HeavyD | stupid question I know :P |
| 20:11.40 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 20:11.41 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 20:11.48 | redduck666 | HeavyD, you come on debian chanel and ask if it is good, no offence but i gotta laugh at that |
| 20:11.50 | SyphonAI | all i use on my boxes |
| 20:12.09 | HeavyD | Hence why I said it was a stupid question |
| 20:12.10 | HeavyD | :P |
| 20:12.19 | pedro420 | HeavyD: its really not easy for beginners to setup.. but if you have someone (like me) that goes around setting it up for people, I've found that converts and complete computer newbies alike find it very easy to _use_ |
| 20:12.56 | abrotman | pedro420: you were a newbie once too :) |
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| 20:13.15 | SyphonAI | !tell SyphonAI -about ati drivers |
| 20:13.27 | pedro420 | abrotman: yeah but by the time I found debian I had already been more than your average windows luser, and used linux for a few years |
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| 20:13.32 | resiak | !tell SyphonAI -about msgdpkg |
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| 20:13.45 | dvs | pedro420: Which linux? |
| 20:14.12 | saloxin | HeavyD: http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
| 20:14.19 | smacnay | Hi, I am trying to set my X term bg to black and fg to gray or white. I have settings in my ~/.Xresources that reflect this (for Aterm) but I still get black text on white bg. |
| 20:14.21 | saloxin | ;-) |
| 20:14.22 | archpollux | pedro420: sorry, you're talking about newbies finding Debian easy to use? |
| 20:14.29 | SyphonAI | neat |
| 20:14.41 | pedro420 | dvs: I used Mandrake 7.2-8.1 for a few years.. I had bought Redhat 5.2 and couldnt get it to do anything interesting, and then tried Corel, but when I got mandrake I became comfortable enough to start learning how it works. |
| 20:14.49 | archpollux | smacnay: ~/.xterm |
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| 20:15.07 | archpollux | smacnay: .xtermrc |
| 20:15.08 | tga | on a mobile radeon how can I either switch between 85Hz for VGA out and 60Hz on the LCD or display them both at the same time? |
| 20:15.16 | smacnay | archpollux: ah, thanks |
| 20:15.26 | abrotman | i really thought LCD didn't have a refresh |
| 20:15.26 | dvs | pedro420: Oh. I flip-flopped between Red Hat and Debian and finally settled on Debian. |
| 20:15.28 | pedro420 | archpollux: yeah I have a cousin who has never used a PC, and I let him use Debian Woody for a month, then after listing to complaints, I installed Win98 on his machine, and within a week he begged to have Debian back |
| 20:15.28 | tga | at the moment I can only get 60Hz on both the LCD and CRT and it's killing my eyes |
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| 20:15.44 | archpollux | pedro420: that's pretty cool :) |
| 20:15.50 | HeavyD | tga: I know what you mean, I had the same problem when I was setting up Slack |
| 20:15.58 | HeavyD | 60hz is the devil. |
| 20:15.58 | archpollux | pedro420: but it might also be that your cousin is quite an open-minded guy |
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| 20:16.16 | archpollux | smacnay: ah, sorry, no |
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| 20:16.28 | archpollux | smacnay: ~/.Xdefaults |
| 20:16.32 | tga | HeavyD: any ideas on how to configure X to display 85Hz on video out while still being able to unplug and use the LCD? |
| 20:16.39 | abrotman | any of you ever tried colinux ? |
| 20:16.48 | redduck666 | if i do apt-get --purge remove xprt xprt-common xprt-xprintorg, i will remove xprt completly from my system and it won't boot on a startup anymore? |
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| 20:17.05 | pedro420 | archpollux: well I've converted my uncle who is too old to understand change well, and sits at home _all_ _day_ looking at smut online and buying/selling harley parts on ebay.. and he too is way more satisfied with Debian Sarge, than Windows XP |
| 20:17.08 | tga | redduck666: update-rc.d -f xprint remove will do that too |
| 20:17.28 | archpollux | pedro420: man, you're quite the successful guy :) |
| 20:17.31 | pedro420 | archpollux: I havent made a Debian Install yet, that the user wasnt happy with. |
| 20:17.32 | redduck666 | tga, thanks |
| 20:17.49 | tsw | pedro420: whats your secret |
| 20:17.57 | SyphonAI | lol |
| 20:18.04 | archpollux | pedro420: what desktop do you let them use? |
| 20:18.10 | HeavyD | I'm thinking about installing linux on my parents' machine with an XP theme and configure it to work like XP and see how long it takes them to notice. :D |
| 20:18.12 | archpollux | pedro420: i mean introduce to |
| 20:18.18 | tga | HeavyD: use XPDE :) |
| 20:18.31 | archpollux | HeavyD: i'd kill for an IE theme for firefox to trick users |
| 20:18.33 | k3k0 | =) |
| 20:18.35 | pedro420 | the secret windows XP is all text and complicated in the first stage install, the thing is, the user never sees it.. the os is preinstalled. so you do the same for your users with Debian. you Preinstall it, and configure it to their needs, and then charge them out the @$$ to learn to use it |
| 20:18.38 | k3k0 | lol |
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| 20:20.16 | pedro420 | archpollux: I used gnome for my cousin and my uncle.. because I was around for several months afterward to help, and its what I am more familiar with... though lately I have been using kde, as it really is easier.. F.E. like the Apollon (KDE Gift Frontend) allows the user to use gift without any knowlage of the backend daemon.. if its running it connects, if not it starts it. |
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| 20:20.53 | pedro420 | archpollux: I still for the life of me cant figure out how to associate filetypes in nautilus, but in Konqueror, its a breeze |
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| 20:21.18 | HeavyD | Has anybody ever had a problem with a box (linux) that pauses for about 10 seconds when going to a website and then all of a sudden loads fast? It doesn't make any sense to me. |
| 20:21.21 | abrotman | pedro420: the mime types app |
| 20:21.31 | archpollux | pedro420: hehe |
| 20:21.34 | abrotman | pedro420: if you ask me later tongiht .. i'll show you |
| 20:21.46 | archpollux | HeavyD: what about DNS? |
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| 20:22.58 | archpollux | HeavyD: ok, but have you tested dns lookups to those servers to see how fast they are? |
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| 20:24.01 | HeavyD | archpollux: not exactly sure what you mean.. just do an 'nslookup' on the servers? |
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| 20:24.20 | archpollux | HeavyD: yeah... try host thought, nslookup is obsolete |
| 20:24.27 | archpollux | HeavyD: ^though |
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| 20:28.34 | elsidi | does apt-proxy not exist anymore? |
| 20:28.46 | robf-wrk | is there a pastebot here? |
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| 20:28.50 | dondelelcaro | robf-wrk: yes. |
| 20:28.55 | dvs | robf-wrk: yup |
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| 20:29.00 | joh | Hello, is the exim package in stable broken? when installing I get: -1woody4) ... |
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| 20:29.27 | robf-wrk | oops guess that wasn't a bot =x |
| 20:29.30 | Steven_ | robf-wrk : try #flood or #paste |
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| 20:29.33 | Semireg | in kernel 2.4 i could update modules.conf and re-create the initrd and I could make sure my scsi devices loaded in the right order. how does one do this with 2.6? |
| 20:29.35 | robf-wrk | oh ok |
| 20:29.35 | joh | sorry, I get: hostname: Unknown host hostname --fqdn gave non-zero exit code 256 dpkg: error processing exim (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 20:30.15 | dvs | Semireg: All the /etc/modutils files are now in /etc/modprobe.d for 2.6 |
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| 20:31.04 | Semireg | dvs: im looking for a way to control the loading of the aacraid and mptbase modules (onboard scsi and fibre channel card) and with 2.4 they were in modules.conf, but a recursive grep of /etc/ shows no sign of mptbase even though lsmod shows it's loaded. ideas? |
| 20:31.07 | joh | never mind, found the problem :P |
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| 20:32.11 | smacnay | archpollux: set 'background: black' and 'foreground: white' and ran xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults and still I get white bg and black fg. Hmmm |
| 20:32.14 | dvs | Semireg: They were probably automatically loaded when they accessed the /dev entries. You have to put those entries in /etc/modules now |
| 20:32.20 | robf-wrk | anyhow I have 3 interfaces , 1 e100 intel 10/100 card and 2 DL2K Ethernet fibre 1000mbit cards.. the e100 is on just the lan, however this is a testing machine, so eth1 and 2 (the fibre cards) eth1 has 1 real ip and 10 aliased ip's eth2 just one ip....problem is when pinging through to an ip that should go out of eth1 or 2, it seems my packets all dump into loopback...any idea what may be going on here? |
| 20:32.42 | archpollux | smacnay: maybe the options are passed to xterm through command line? |
| 20:32.59 | archpollux | smacnay: are you launching it from a menu somewhere? |
| 20:33.01 | Steven_ | robf-wrk : routing is wrong :) |
| 20:33.07 | Steven_ | robf-wrk : do you have iproute2 ? |
| 20:33.18 | robf-wrk | Steven_ I'd assumed such..but routetable looks correct |
| 20:33.19 | Steven_ | robf-wrk : if so, try: ip route get <ip-address> |
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| 20:33.49 | robf-wrk | I don't think I do |
| 20:33.54 | smacnay | archpollux: damn, never though of that. I am. I will look at my default Debian menu. Thanks. |
| 20:33.56 | abrotman | robf-wrk: did you switch them? |
| 20:34.03 | robf-wrk | yeah abrotman |
| 20:34.05 | robf-wrk | one was nuked |
| 20:34.13 | abrotman | robf-wrk: heh .. sorry :) |
| 20:34.16 | robf-wrk | had corrosion builtup to a short out |
| 20:34.21 | robf-wrk | I don't care |
| 20:34.23 | robf-wrk | not my money |
| 20:34.29 | abrotman | robf-wrk: guess they weren't so identical :) |
| 20:34.30 | robf-wrk | we got a box of bout 50 fibre cards right there |
| 20:34.38 | robf-wrk | well they were "identical" just one had failed :-x |
| 20:34.46 | abrotman | robf-wrk: i know what you mean |
| 20:34.50 | dexter__ | Hmm.. how come i can't get superkaramba stuff to be transparent in Fluxbox? |
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| 20:34.55 | dexter__ | (No. I haven't tried in kde) |
| 20:35.01 | MWAAAHAAA | how do I write garbage to disk partitions? |
| 20:35.06 | abrotman | #fluxbox ? |
| 20:35.20 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: why would you want to do that? |
| 20:35.26 | pedro420 | I dont like the fact that it doesnt highlight things said to me in gaim.. I figured this would be the easiest thing for a new user to use, since I can put all the channels, bots, and buddies in the buddy list |
| 20:35.30 | MWAAAHAAA | do you really want to know? |
| 20:35.31 | goron | How do I tell locate that I want to locate a file name x followed by the empty string? In Perl it's x$, but I don't know what a "pattern" is according to GNU people. |
| 20:35.35 | hob | Can anyone help with this error when trying to compile: "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 20:35.36 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: that's why i'm asking |
| 20:35.38 | pedro420 | but I dont like that it doesnt highlight things said to me |
| 20:35.39 | dexter__ | abrotman: gah |
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| 20:35.41 | MWAAAHAAA | ok |
| 20:35.41 | dexter__ | It works in gentoo? ;) |
| 20:35.45 | Herodes | hi... |
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| 20:35.53 | MWAAAHAAA | so I got myself windows xp today and happily installed it on /dev/hda1 |
| 20:35.57 | dexter__ | So it must be something with the fluxbox or superkaramba package |
| 20:35.58 | simonrvn | hob: install g++ |
| 20:35.59 | abrotman | dexter__: hey .. i don't use fluxbox .. i was just pointing you to people who might know more |
| 20:36.01 | dvs | !works in gentoo |
| 20:36.06 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: and? |
| 20:36.08 | MWAAAHAAA | now when I was done I wanted to install grub on the mbr of course |
| 20:36.10 | Herodes | can anybody tell me wich driver to load for soundblaster 64?. i use alsa |
| 20:36.12 | robf-wrk | Steven_ I'm gonna check the routing tables once again hold on but I don't have that iproute2 =\ |
| 20:36.13 | MWAAAHAAA | so I did |
| 20:36.16 | MWAAAHAAA | and what happened? |
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| 20:36.18 | hob | simonrvn: cheers, doh |
| 20:36.21 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: it worked? |
| 20:36.22 | MWAAAHAAA | well I could boot linux |
| 20:36.22 | dexter__ | dvs: Yeh |
| 20:36.26 | Steven_ | robf-wrk : its a package in debian (if you have debian) |
| 20:36.26 | MWAAAHAAA | I could also boot xp |
| 20:36.30 | MWAAAHAAA | but xp would not laod |
| 20:36.35 | Mage_ | HEHEHE |
| 20:36.36 | MWAAAHAAA | and hang in the welcome to xp screen... |
| 20:36.40 | robf-wrk | and I can't install anything really since I have to rsh to a sun machine, ssh to another and rsh again to the debian box...it's deep somewhere not sure I know where it is physically even =x |
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| 20:36.46 | Steven_ | robf-wrk : I'm not forcing you to install it, but once you do, you'll never want to go back to ifconfig or route stuff :) |
| 20:36.48 | MWAAAHAAA | now I didnt have a backup of my mbr |
| 20:36.48 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: what does your grub stuff look like for XP? |
| 20:37.07 | MWAAAHAAA | hang on |
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| 20:37.13 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: there is more than one way to fix that .. but i can tell you how to destroy it all if you want |
| 20:37.15 | MWAAAHAAA | rootnoverify(hd0,0) |
| 20:37.17 | MWAAAHAAA | makeactive |
| 20:37.20 | MWAAAHAAA | chainloader +1 |
| 20:37.35 | saloxin | robf-wrk: install debian into swap and reboot :) |
| 20:37.40 | MWAAAHAAA | anyway |
| 20:37.55 | MWAAAHAAA | i decided to "repair" my windows xp install, assuming it would reinstall a boot loader |
| 20:38.02 | MWAAAHAAA | well it did "kind of" |
| 20:38.03 | Steven_ | robf-wrk : which address are you trying to ping btw ? an IP-address bound to one of your interfaces ? or on a lan somewhere |
| 20:38.03 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: try just root .. not rootnoverifty |
| 20:38.18 | MWAAAHAAA | so xp booted |
| 20:38.26 | MWAAAHAAA | but everything just started to freeze |
| 20:38.30 | MWAAAHAAA | and crash |
| 20:38.34 | MWAAAHAAA | I rebooted |
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| 20:38.37 | MWAAAHAAA | and the same happened again |
| 20:38.40 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: have you considereed bum hardware? |
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| 20:38.51 | Semireg | dvs: if my 2.4 modules.conf entries have "alias scsi_hostadapter aacraid" and the 2.6 modprobe.conf contains "install scsi_hostadapter /bin/true" could I just replace one for the other... ? |
| 20:38.55 | MWAAAHAAA | so I decided to just delete the partition assuming that xp would offer to reinstall itself from scratch |
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| 20:38.58 | MWAAAHAAA | wrong |
| 20:39.03 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: well . either use the FIXBOOT of XP .. fix grub .. or i'll tell you how to destroy it all |
| 20:39.11 | MWAAAHAAA | now it just keeps on rattling and shows a black screen |
| 20:39.12 | travisat | MWAAAHAAA: windows was messed up |
| 20:39.27 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: does linux boot now? |
| 20:39.31 | pedro420 | oh wellI am going to get off here, and get some lunch. |
| 20:39.34 | dvs | Semireg: You could |
| 20:39.48 | MWAAAHAAA | so now I want to overwrite hda1 with mess so it doesnt recognize its own install |
| 20:39.54 | abrotman | pedro420: perogies! |
| 20:39.55 | MWAAAHAAA | thats why i want to do that |
| 20:40.04 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: linux works ? |
| 20:40.04 | MWAAAHAAA | linux boots find dont worry |
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| 20:40.07 | travisat | MWAAAHAAA: just format the sucker |
| 20:40.10 | MWAAAHAAA | i have a grub version on disk |
| 20:40.13 | MWAAAHAAA | floppy taht is |
| 20:40.15 | pedro420 | bleh.. not perogies :P |
| 20:40.21 | MWAAAHAAA | its just that im trying to reinstall x |
| 20:40.23 | StR | hi there.... |
| 20:40.26 | k3k0 | dont worry be happy |
| 20:40.29 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: use dd .. or use mkfs in linux to make windows think it's not a valid ntfs partition |
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| 20:40.34 | k3k0 | :) |
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| 20:40.37 | abrotman | or fdisk for that matter |
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| 20:41.06 | MWAAAHAAA | doesnt mkfs have the same effect then as just deleting the partition? |
| 20:41.13 | Semireg | dvs: any significant differences between rebuilding the initrd file between 2.4 and 2.6? :) |
| 20:41.18 | MWAAAHAAA | or does it actually write some data to the disk? |
| 20:41.21 | ama | it writes |
| 20:41.22 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: you would be formatting it as another filesystem |
| 20:41.26 | StR | O have a kernel: Linux version 2.4.19-ac4 (root@dw1wyn) .. but I have 1G ram... and it is not working withll all the ram... what kernel could I use? |
| 20:41.28 | dvs | Semireg: I've never made an initrd |
| 20:41.30 | abrotman | or you can format as fat32 if you want |
| 20:41.38 | abrotman | stryou need your own |
| 20:41.48 | abrotman | str: and that's not a debian kernel is it? |
| 20:41.55 | abrotman | str: you're not even running debia n .. are you? |
| 20:42.05 | MWAAAHAAA | hmm, perhaps quicker then overwriting with garbage, ill try that |
| 20:42.07 | Semireg | dvs: oh, awesome, when i run mkinitrd it actually shows me the modules that it's adding, and i can see that mptbase is before aacraid (bad)... looks like i know what to look for now ;) |
| 20:42.12 | StR | abrotman: there is no kernel I can get with apt-get with 1G? |
| 20:42.14 | MWAAAHAAA | thx |
| 20:42.31 | abrotman | str: -ac4 is not a debian kernel |
| 20:42.33 | Lorenzo | question: i understand the basic concept of "runlevels" (i think), but i'm curious how in /etc/ there's r1.d, r2.d, etc., and the folders have the startup scripts for all the programs, like "apache" is in r2.d. now i've heard you're supposed to run servers in runlevel 3. why's taht? and how would that work if apache's startup file is in the r2.d ? |
| 20:42.45 | abrotman | no freaking way |
| 20:42.48 | dvs | Semireg: have you checked /etc/mkinitrd/modules? |
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| 20:43.11 | StR | abrotman: yes.. i'm running it with a deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib in my sources.list... |
| 20:43.27 | abrotman | !find -ac4 |
| 20:43.31 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '-ac4' returned no results. |
| 20:43.49 | abrotman | str: how did you install it ? |
| 20:44.15 | StR | abrotman: it is a remote server I bought, I don't know how they instaled it... |
| 20:44.26 | Semireg | svs: no |
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| 20:44.30 | Semireg | dvs ^ |
| 20:44.31 | abrotman | str: dpkg -l libc6 .. from that server |
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| 20:45.13 | StR | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
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| 20:45.35 | abrotman | str: i have no idea where they got that kernel .. are you allowed to update the kernel? .. do you even have root access? |
| 20:45.48 | StR | abrotman: yes... |
| 20:45.53 | dags | how do i specify the dpi of my xserver when i'm using kdm? putting ":0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X vt7 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp" in /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers does not work |
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| 20:46.04 | rki | Hi all: running debian here, could someone tell me, if this right..and why i keep getting erros? |
| 20:46.06 | rki | crontab -e |
| 20:46.06 | rki | 0 * * * * virus perl /home/virus/public_html/rc/cron.perl >> /home/virus/public_html/rc /rtblog.txt |
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| 20:46.19 | redduck666 | when i installed debian and booted it booted straight in gdm, now i have to type my username, password and startx. any ideas how to get my automatic login back? |
| 20:46.27 | abrotman | str: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 20:47.11 | StR | abrotman: kernel-image-2.6-686 is ok? |
| 20:47.12 | HeavyD | redduck666: your runlevel is still 5? |
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| 20:47.23 | abrotman | str: try it .. |
| 20:47.32 | StR | abrotman: but that would not let me us the 1G ram, right? |
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| 20:47.37 | abrotman | str: and test your bootloader |
| 20:47.40 | abrotman | str: it should |
| 20:47.49 | redduck666 | HeavyD, how do i check current runlevel |
| 20:47.49 | abrotman | str: i've got all 686-smp here |
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| 20:48.11 | abrotman | str; hrm |
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| 20:48.27 | c00l | how to know the parms for pppd on kppp? cause when i try pppd connect /etc/ppp/peers/provider i get error, but when i try pppd file /etc/ppp/peers/provider it works.. but i don't know if kppp uses connect or file |
| 20:48.32 | abrotman | str: let me look again |
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| 20:48.41 | HeavyD | redduck666: in your /etc/inittab file it should say it a few lines under it lists what all the runlevels do. |
| 20:49.08 | abrotman | $ cat /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686 | grep MEM | grep -v \# |
| 20:49.08 | abrotman | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 20:49.08 | abrotman | CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 20:49.11 | abrotman | str: happy ? |
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| 20:49.52 | HeavyD | redduck666: this line "id:5:initdefault:" |
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| 20:49.59 | abrotman | str: just make sure your bootloader is set right |
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| 20:50.10 | MWAAAHAAA | this windows is even more persistent than a virus jesus |
| 20:50.16 | Opiated | can anyone guess as to what network topology 7-11 or walmart use? |
| 20:50.17 | simonrvn | that's not the debian default |
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| 20:50.20 | MWAAAHAAA | to make a short story even shorter |
| 20:50.28 | redduck666 | HeavyD, my current runlevel is 2, will editing that file and rebooting give me my runlevel 5 back? |
| 20:50.29 | MWAAAHAAA | formatiing didnt help |
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| 20:50.36 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: why nto? |
| 20:50.40 | StR | abrotman: how can I see what kernle package is installed? |
| 20:50.41 | MWAAAHAAA | so now im back to the garbage writing thing |
| 20:50.44 | MWAAAHAAA | how do i do that? |
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| 20:50.49 | abrotman | str: dpkg -l | grep kernel-image |
| 20:50.56 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: man dd |
| 20:51.24 | MWAAAHAAA | hmm man dd just gives me a man page |
| 20:51.26 | StR | abrotman: I only have: ii linux-kernel-h 2.5.999-test7- Linux Kernel Headers for development |
| 20:51.30 | abrotman | MWAAAHAAA: yes .. read it |
| 20:51.32 | MWAAAHAAA | just kidding:) |
| 20:51.47 | abrotman | str: so install a real kernel image .. since they left you with a RH kernel |
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| 20:52.09 | StR | abrotman: ok... |
| 20:52.18 | HeavyD | redduck666: changing that to 5 should bring that back, if you would like to check what runlevel 5 does... type the command "telinit 5" in a terminal window. |
| 20:52.35 | oKtosiTe | I want my bash script to show free disk space in MB. What command could I use? |
| 20:52.41 | redduck666 | HeavyD, thanks |
| 20:52.51 | linuxfreck | oKtosiTe: df |
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| 20:53.00 | HeavyD | reduck666: no problem. |
| 20:53.14 | abrotman | str: and make sure you double checky our boot loader |
| 20:53.22 | oKtosiTe | linuxfreck, I know that, but I want only the number, nothing else |
| 20:53.46 | k3k0 | abrotman: what kernel yo prefer for sarge ? |
| 20:54.00 | linuxfreck | oKtosiTe: man cut then |
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| 20:54.11 | grogoreo | hi |
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| 20:54.23 | abrotman | k3k0: one that works |
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| 20:54.24 | k3k0 | to use in llaptop |
| 20:54.28 | simonrvn | k3k0: one that works |
| 20:54.31 | grogoreo | On my DVD drive I've tried to enable DMA but it says 'Operation not permitted'. I've also stried this on some other drives, like hard drives to see what would happen, and it also says not permitted on those. :-s |
| 20:54.34 | simonrvn | abrotman: :) |
| 20:54.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:54.40 | oKtosiTe | linuxfreck, hmm, I'll look into it, thanks |
| 20:54.58 | k3k0 | :) my kerrnel works fine :) about security im not so sure |
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| 20:55.16 | themrmooseman | . |
| 20:55.19 | simonrvn | security is what the owner or admin of the machine makes of it. |
| 20:55.38 | Opiated | oh |
| 20:55.41 | oKtosiTe | Is there a webpage where I can see every single package that gets updated in Sarge |
| 20:55.43 | Opiated | and security is not convenient |
| 20:55.44 | Opiated | :D |
| 20:56.00 | simonrvn | @lart Opiated |
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| 20:56.08 | Opiated | ahaha |
| 20:56.16 | k3k0 | =) |
| 20:56.19 | Opiated | great movie |
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| 20:56.53 | xelon | I connect my external USB harddisc, and kernel detected it. But i can't mount it. in kernel.log, WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured, VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev 03:03. What can i do? |
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| 20:57.12 | keta | simonrvn: your bird likes good wine :) |
| 20:57.18 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:57.25 | gurrag | I just made a fresh install of sarge and installed samba. I am using most of my old smb.conf but can till not log in to my samba shares. Is it because I'm using md5-passwords? Is that not possible? |
| 20:57.37 | simonrvn | i try to keep it off it, gets loud on too much |
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| 20:58.03 | Borg^Queen | Hey people. I have an odd behavior with kppp. It keeps redialing over connecting. |
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| 20:58.19 | Borg^Queen | The pw and log in is correct. What else could be causing this? |
| 20:59.00 | simonrvn | don't use kppp? |
| 20:59.12 | HeavyD | Who knows where I can get torrents for ISO images of Sarge? (are they on www.debian.org?) |
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| 20:59.18 | xelon | is there any idea about this? Do I need to compile a new kernel? I have just installed Sarge. In woody, I just write "mount /dev/hdb5 /mnt/usb", and it was working |
| 20:59.28 | Borg^Queen | HeavyD one sec |
| 20:59.35 | c00l | HeavyD http://cdimage.debian.org |
| 20:59.41 | dvs | HeavyD: debian.org has info on how to get them. |
| 21:00.07 | HeavyD | Thanks very much everybody. |
| 21:00.11 | nksen | anyone worked with cfs? is there a way to automate the attaching of the folder? |
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| 21:00.17 | imachine | hmm. |
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| 21:00.25 | imachine | just wanted to say. |
| 21:00.33 | imachine | unstable packages work just as fine, if not better than testing. |
| 21:00.35 | keta | xelon: are you on a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 21:00.38 | imachine | much newer. |
| 21:00.39 | imachine | etc. |
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| 21:00.47 | xelon | keta : yep |
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| 21:00.49 | simonrvn | @tell imachine -about enter |
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| 21:00.57 | miks | is there a good wallpaper package? |
| 21:01.01 | dvs | imachine: It won't stay that way. That's for sure. |
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| 21:01.05 | c00l | how to know the parms for pppd on kppp? cause when i try pppd connect /etc/ppp/peers/provider i get error, but when i try pppd file /etc/ppp/peers/provider it works.. but i don't know if kppp uses connect or file |
| 21:01.07 | imachine | simonrvn: please. not that pm'ing machine again. |
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| 21:01.35 | glick | hello |
| 21:01.36 | imachine | simonrvn: i like my pm's kept private. |
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| 21:01.46 | Laibsch | I followed http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=FAQ036 but I still cannot get recording to work. arecord produces 100% silent files. Playback with aplay of other files works fine. |
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| 21:02.06 | glick | excuse how can i access that program when you first install debian that configures your network? |
| 21:02.15 | StR | what is the default loader in debian? grub or lilo? |
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| 21:02.17 | keta | xelon: maybe you're running devfs anf /dev/hdX is not linked properly to the device node |
| 21:02.28 | gravity | StR: grub with sarge, lilo with woody |
| 21:02.32 | imachine | yea. |
| 21:02.43 | xelon | keta : in my old system, I had been used 2.6.10 . i think I have to compile new kernel :) |
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| 21:02.47 | xelon | keta : thanks |
| 21:02.50 | puter | hello? |
| 21:02.52 | glick | for some reason i cant get a dhcp address |
| 21:03.00 | imachine | hmm this beer is not at all cold. |
| 21:03.04 | imachine | this sucks ;[ |
| 21:03.04 | glick | i do dhclient eth0 |
| 21:03.09 | glick | but i dont get an address |
| 21:03.19 | puter | i just installed Debian and there's something odd going on when I startX |
| 21:03.23 | StR | gravity: I have in /etc/debian_version 3.1 ... what version do I have? |
| 21:03.24 | tga | on XFree86 with Driver "radeon" how can I switch between 60Hz on the LCD and 85Hz on VGA Out? |
| 21:03.35 | puter | everything is fine but, the pointer looks like a while square |
| 21:03.36 | gravity | StR: Wooddy. That's lilo, although grub is available upon install |
| 21:03.37 | puter | what's going on? |
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| 21:03.58 | BenDrake | hey all |
| 21:04.09 | dvs | StR: 3.1 is either sid or sarge, woody is 3.0 |
| 21:04.23 | gravity | er... crap, dvs is right |
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| 21:04.42 | gravity | StR: Sorry, dvs is right. I got confused. That's sarge. |
| 21:04.50 | glick | howcan i get a dhcp address on my eth0 interface/ |
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| 21:05.04 | dvs | glick: man interfaces |
| 21:05.04 | StR | gravity: shit... I installed lilo and reboot the server.... is it going to restart? |
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| 21:05.13 | gravity | StR: I don't know |
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| 21:05.19 | keta | glick: apt-get install pump, man 5 interfaces |
| 21:05.22 | StR | gravity: LOL |
| 21:05.23 | glick | dvs yeah i did that |
| 21:05.25 | puter | why is my pointer a white square? |
| 21:05.28 | BenDrake | where do I go to edit the sources list for apt-get |
| 21:05.33 | Altered | Debian sarge installer.. how to start the installer in text mode? :) |
| 21:05.40 | Blackman | hi |
| 21:05.41 | glick | keta i cant use apt because im not connected to the net |
| 21:05.49 | gravity | Altered: It will start in text mode |
| 21:05.54 | puter | bendrake, etc/source.list |
| 21:05.54 | simonrvn | puter: you're in console, and using gpm is my first guess |
| 21:05.57 | keta | glick: forget first statement then |
| 21:06.21 | simonrvn | BenDrake: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:06.24 | Altered | gravity -> the screen goes into an almost kreative mix of colors and I can't see a thing.. |
| 21:06.26 | keta | glick: you already have dhclient installed, pump is just simpler |
| 21:06.29 | BenDrake | thanks agian |
| 21:06.36 | puter | simonrvn, how do i change it so it uses something aside from gpm? |
| 21:06.43 | miks | oh man, ACiD like the old ANSi group?? I can't believe that. |
| 21:06.44 | gravity | Altered: Debian doesn't have a non-text mode based installer |
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| 21:06.58 | simonrvn | puter: gpm is your only option in console |
| 21:07.03 | gravity | Altered: You should check out the d-i docs. I think you want to pass it a kernel option at boot |
| 21:07.13 | goron | Does anyone know what ldd is short for? It's not in the manpage. |
| 21:07.14 | gurrag | altered: press enter and then it switches to text mode. the splash screen is graphics mode |
| 21:07.29 | simonrvn | gawds, were you expecing a full GUI in console? |
| 21:07.34 | simonrvn | expecting* |
| 21:07.36 | StR | gravity: my serer is not comming back :( |
| 21:07.37 | puter | simonrvn: well, im in console now, but the problem occurs when i'm using kde |
| 21:07.52 | Altered | gurrag, are you sure, cause I tried enter and it loads from the floppy then... but nothing happens, it's like it's looking for another disk... |
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| 21:07.56 | gravity | StR: You probably want to boot it with knoppix and fix the mbr then |
| 21:07.58 | puter | simonrvn, or gnome for that matter |
| 21:07.59 | Vince34 | StR, did yu tun lilo |
| 21:08.04 | Vince34 | *run |
| 21:08.14 | gurrag | altered: are you doing netinstall from cd? |
| 21:08.21 | HeavyD | Does Sarge come with the MPlayer package? (found at www.mplayerhq.hu) |
| 21:08.34 | Altered | gurrag.. install from floppy on an old laptop :) |
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| 21:08.35 | dvs | HeavyD: not officially |
| 21:08.39 | Marble2 | Can someone help me? I installed a new hard drive and had to change my drive orders around a little bit, and now when I boot up I get "/sbin/init 248: Cannot open dev/console" any ideas? |
| 21:08.46 | StR | gravity: it is a remote server... |
| 21:08.48 | FieldySnuts | @hump mplayer |
| 21:08.54 | goron | Already got it. |
| 21:08.54 | simonrvn | puter: sorry, wasn't payingattention. what porblem do you have? |
| 21:08.58 | HeavyD | dvs: So i'll have to download it from the mplayer site proabbly eh? |
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| 21:09.03 | simonrvn | @shoot my typist |
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| 21:09.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: mplayer? |
| 21:09.07 | StR | Vince34: yes... :( gravity told me... |
| 21:09.08 | ravenbird | deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main for the source, and deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/ for PPC .debs |
| 21:09.11 | dvs | HeavyD: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:09.12 | gurrag | altered: ah... don't really know about the floppy install I'm afraid... =/ |
| 21:09.18 | atrus | !mplayer |
| 21:09.18 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 21:09.26 | Altered | gurrag oki... but you tried :D |
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| 21:09.45 | Marble2 | anyone? |
| 21:09.46 | puter | simonrvn, the problem is that in kde or gnome (xwin) the pointer shows up as a white square |
| 21:09.52 | Altered | gurrag I just wonder what that screen is anyways.. cause I've never seend a graphical installer in debian.. |
| 21:10.00 | HeavyD | dvs: Thanks, appreciated. |
| 21:10.32 | simonrvn | puter: o_O. first time i've seen that. video card? debian version? |
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| 21:10.47 | gurrag | altered: I used the sarge netinstall yesterday and it has a graphical splash screen. <enter> gets the installer running and switches to text mode |
| 21:10.56 | Altered | hum |
| 21:11.17 | puter | simonrv, heheh.. could it be that i mis set the "refresh rate" for my screen? -- i wasn't sure what it was |
| 21:11.17 | gurrag | altered: cd netinstall that is |
| 21:11.28 | Altered | gurrag, not here... gonna try another screen |
| 21:11.34 | simonrvn | refresh rate wouldn't do that TMK |
| 21:11.36 | gurrag | altered: do so :) |
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| 21:11.58 | Altered | gurrag, omg.. it is the text installer.. only the laptops screen doesn't like it :P |
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| 21:12.14 | puter | i'm going to try to run it again |
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| 21:12.25 | arny | hello!! |
| 21:12.28 | gurrag | altered: ah, install with an external screen then |
| 21:12.47 | puter | oh... and how do prevent it from going directly to a xwindows session after it boots up? |
| 21:12.48 | gurrag | altered: and hope for better luck after installation :) |
| 21:12.51 | arny | Alguien habla español( o català)?? |
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| 21:13.05 | StR | arny: yo |
| 21:13.11 | cureless | arny: #debian-es |
| 21:13.19 | Altered | gurrag, will do :) |
| 21:13.20 | arny | oks |
| 21:13.22 | arny | acies |
| 21:13.24 | puter | aka. i want to login from console |
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| 21:13.35 | simonrvn | puter: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:13.40 | puter | thanks |
| 21:14.18 | moyix | is there any way to mount a reiserfs filesystem without automatically replaying the journal? I've got a drive that has bad sectors in the journal area, and I'd really, really like to mount it and get whatever I can off |
| 21:15.03 | dacer | hi, can anyone help me to configure network conection with proxy?. I have set proxy with Gnome, but not with debian, so for example apt can conect |
| 21:15.12 | puter | simonrvn, i dont want to completely remove kde or any of my windowing systems... |
| 21:15.27 | simonrvn | puter: kdm/gdm removal won't do that |
| 21:15.28 | puter | simonrvn, is that what this is doing? |
| 21:15.34 | dacer | apt can not connect!! |
| 21:15.38 | Roey | how many full-time people would debian need to get a release out every year? |
| 21:15.39 | puter | simonrvn, thanks!!! |
| 21:15.42 | puter | :) |
| 21:15.48 | Roey | 50, 100? |
| 21:15.56 | simonrvn | x-window-system(-core) is just a meta-package, same for "gome" or "kde" |
| 21:16.02 | simonrvn | er, gnome even |
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| 21:16.18 | puter | gotcha |
| 21:16.25 | Pappa | highest port number = 65537 right? |
| 21:16.44 | abrotman | 65535 perhaps |
| 21:16.46 | abrotman | or 36 |
| 21:16.48 | abrotman | not 37 |
| 21:16.52 | drac | 5 |
| 21:16.52 | asuffield | 6553*4* |
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| 21:16.58 | puter | simonrv, can you tell me what to message dpkg again? my screen has scrolled too far |
| 21:17.05 | c00l | 38 i think |
| 21:17.08 | Pappa | drac: sure? |
| 21:17.10 | abrotman | yeah .. what asuffield said . stupid math |
| 21:17.15 | abrotman | now .. wait . 5 |
| 21:17.19 | asuffield | -1 is an error, as usual |
| 21:17.23 | abrotman | asuffield: are you sure ? .. it shuld be 5 ? |
| 21:17.36 | OleMoudi | do you guys know any utility to normalize the volume of avi files? |
| 21:17.38 | puter | simonrvn, nevermind |
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| 21:17.49 | Pappa | it's equal to RAND_MAX on 16-bit systems |
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| 21:18.08 | moyix | 2^16 - 1 (65535) |
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| 21:18.59 | asuffield | and I think ipsec does something odd with it in the protocol field |
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| 21:19.21 | CroatianNinja | Does anyone know how to make debian detect new hardware like Fedora does? Every time I move my hard drive to a differnt computer it gives an error message like: kernel panic tried to kill init. Sarge 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 21:19.38 | abrotman | disocver! |
| 21:19.39 | abrotman | err |
| 21:19.41 | abrotman | discover! |
| 21:19.41 | dvs | CroatianNinja: discover |
| 21:20.20 | CroatianNinja | dvs, is that as easy as installing a package? |
| 21:20.27 | dvs | CroatianNinja: yes |
| 21:20.43 | CroatianNinja | dvs, thanks! |
| 21:20.53 | dvs | CroatianNinja: np |
| 21:21.27 | abrotman | no way! |
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| 21:21.40 | CroatianNinja | dvs, wait discover is already installed |
| 21:21.55 | CroatianNinja | dvs, discover1 that is |
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| 21:22.20 | abrotman | !discover |
| 21:22.20 | dpkg | i heard discover is a hardware identification system based on the libdiscover1 library, or see hotplug |
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| 21:23.56 | CroatianNinja | when i move my hard drive with debian on it to another comp it says kernel panic tried to kill init |
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| 21:23.59 | CroatianNinja | what is that all about? |
| 21:24.09 | npx | Hi guys. It's been a while since I configured apache - I need to specify ExecCGI for the appropriate directory and do something else to run .cgi files as scripts - what is the other thing? |
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| 21:24.50 | simonrvn | CroatianNinja: you need to edit the bootloader conf so it finds where / is |
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| 21:25.18 | CroatianNinja | simonrvn, where can i find info on how to do that? |
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| 21:26.05 | simonrvn | man lilo.conf, man grub, info grub. also available on the web |
| 21:26.18 | Owner | so how the geeks from the debian room still stealing the voice of the poor souls that come here for help? |
| 21:26.30 | npx | Owner, huh? |
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| 21:26.38 | Ronin | nice |
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| 21:27.04 | CroatianNinja | what was that about? |
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| 21:27.16 | dvs | There goes another voice |
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| 21:27.47 | bob2 | I'm not sure who it is. apparently they feel hurt by something someone did here, so they keep coming back and trolling |
| 21:27.53 | bob2 | gentooian is presumably the same person |
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| 21:28.05 | gentooian | what person? |
| 21:28.10 | bob2 | CroatianNinja: I'm not sure how any OS could handle you moving the drives around under them |
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| 21:28.28 | bob2 | CroatianNinja: you just need to edit /etc/lilo.conf to point root at the new disk location, tho, then rerun lilo |
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| 21:28.40 | gentooian | bob2: what are you accusing me of? |
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| 21:29.08 | CroatianNinja | bob2, Fedora auto detects new hardware and boots up fine when i move the hard drive to a new system |
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| 21:29.25 | mne | hi everybody ! I'm deperately trying to compile some c++ project. All used debian libs are in /usr/include (like libxml++). The problem is that all pathes contain version information like /usr/include/ libxml++-2.6/libxml++. When compiling it doesn't find libxml++/<someheaderfiles.h> since the location is actually libxml++-2.6/libxml++. What can I do to make it work ? this lib is only one with which I have the described problems. |
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| 21:29.40 | bob2 | CroatianNinja: new hardware is easy, debian will do that too |
| 21:29.49 | npx | CroatianNinja, I'm not altogether sure how it automagically rewrites /etc/fstab |
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| 21:30.06 | CroatianNinja | bob2, yeah, i guess thats what i need to know |
| 21:30.07 | bob2 | CroatianNinja: just use a modern version of debian with hotplug installed |
| 21:30.11 | npx | because if / was hda1 and became hda2... well... I just don't see things working |
| 21:30.28 | bob2 | npx: well, handling whole disks moving is easier |
| 21:30.29 | CroatianNinja | bob2, hotpulg is installed |
| 21:30.43 | bob2 | CroatianNinja: 2.6 kernel? then most everything should just work. |
| 21:30.59 | CroatianNinja | bob2, ok then its not the autodetecting hardware |
| 21:31.06 | CroatianNinja | bob2, its just finding / |
| 21:31.12 | bob2 | right |
| 21:31.20 | bob2 | then you just need to edit your lilo or grub config |
| 21:31.25 | bob2 | depending on if you're using woody or sarge |
| 21:31.27 | CroatianNinja | i use grub |
| 21:31.30 | CroatianNinja | sarge |
| 21:31.37 | CroatianNinja | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:31.55 | CroatianNinja | woody uses lilo? |
| 21:32.06 | dvs | CroatianNinja: yup |
| 21:32.08 | bob2 | just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to reflect your new root device |
| 21:32.09 | hacim | argh awstats |
| 21:32.13 | bob2 | and then update /etc/fstab |
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| 21:32.20 | neige | hi |
| 21:32.28 | dvs | hi snow |
| 21:32.57 | neige | excuse me im trying to configure my laptop but for some reason i cant get a dhcp rsponse |
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| 21:33.04 | KirbyMeister | any one know a good FTP client for Debian? |
| 21:33.07 | neige | i edited the interface file |
| 21:33.09 | npx | I like ncftp |
| 21:33.13 | neige | and then did ifup -a |
| 21:33.23 | Xenguy | KirbyMeister: gui or console? |
| 21:33.30 | neige | and every time i get 'No DHCPOFFERS recieved' |
| 21:33.43 | neige | and 'no working leases in persistent database" |
| 21:33.46 | bob2 | lftp is pretty good |
| 21:33.47 | CroatianNinja | niege, you are trying to install debian right? |
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| 21:33.55 | bob2 | neige: is it a windows dhcp server? |
| 21:33.56 | neige | CroatianNinja, no i have it installed |
| 21:33.58 | bob2 | neige: sure the cable is ok? |
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| 21:34.01 | dondelelcaro | neige: then the dhcp server isn't responding to a DHCPREQUEST |
| 21:34.06 | neige | bob2, its a switch |
| 21:34.14 | neige | anetgearswitch |
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| 21:34.15 | Xenguy | KirbyMeister: lftp for console; gftp for GUI client |
| 21:34.19 | bob2 | a switch with a dhcp server? |
| 21:34.20 | dondelelcaro | s/REQUEST/DISCOVER/ |
| 21:34.22 | bob2 | do you mean router? |
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| 21:34.31 | neige | no its a switch |
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| 21:34.36 | neige | a netgear fastswitch |
| 21:34.39 | neige | its nt a router |
| 21:34.40 | npx | neige, are you sure that 1.) it has DHCP functionality 2.) it's enabled ? |
| 21:34.45 | bob2 | how could a switch include a dhcp server? |
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| 21:34.51 | neige | i have one slackware desktop connected to it |
| 21:34.53 | dondelelcaro | if it's not a router, than it almost assuredly doesn't have a DHCP server in it |
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| 21:35.01 | Jeriko- | hi, anyone here's into gtk/c programming? |
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| 21:35.08 | bob2 | maybe it's a "layer-3 switch" or something |
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| 21:35.14 | bob2 | Ican'tbelieveit'snotarouter |
| 21:35.22 | neige | he has a desktop connnected to it |
| 21:35.25 | neige | and it works |
| 21:35.25 | bob2 | Jeriko-: #gtk on irc.gtk.org would be a better bet |
| 21:35.26 | dondelelcaro | Jeriko-: try #gtk |
| 21:35.32 | bob2 | neige: swap the cables |
| 21:35.43 | neige | bob2, tried that |
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| 21:35.52 | dondelelcaro | neige: is this the only machine attached to the switch? |
| 21:35.52 | npx | neige, tried just assigning a static IP? |
| 21:35.54 | neige | i still cant get dhcp address from it |
| 21:36.06 | dondelelcaro | neige: and furthermore, what IP is that other machine getting? |
| 21:36.12 | npx | I mean, unless it's a laptop, I don't really see what the point of using DHCP on a home lan is |
| 21:36.50 | dondelelcaro | npx: the whole not having to configure individual computers is a big plus, not to mention the ability to do things like pxe or bootp |
| 21:36.56 | neige | hmm it gets 24.193.243.243 |
| 21:37.02 | bob2 | hah |
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| 21:37.14 | dondelelcaro | neige: ok, then you're not going to get another address from your upstream isp then |
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| 21:37.26 | bob2 | neige: it's just relaying dhcp requests from your ISP |
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| 21:37.37 | bob2 | ie dondelelcaro was probably right ;) |
| 21:37.40 | npx | hehe |
| 21:37.44 | dondelelcaro | neige: either get yourself a router that can share your connection, or unplug that machine and wait until the lease expires so you can get a different lease from your ISP |
| 21:38.05 | npx | you could alternatively unplug the other machine, steal it's mac address, and renew the lease |
| 21:38.10 | bob2 | gentooian: my apologies |
| 21:38.11 | npx | if you're feeling fiesty =D |
| 21:38.17 | gentooian | bob2: thank you |
| 21:38.25 | bob2 | hah |
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| 21:38.39 | bob2 | my uni uses dhcp in the computer-lab-lans |
| 21:38.43 | ezhdeha | neige2: what's your problem ? |
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| 21:38.47 | arny | the lease |
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| 21:38.47 | arny | <bob2> gentooian: my apologies |
| 21:38.47 | arny | <npx> if you're feeling fiesty =D |
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| 21:38.47 | bob2 | each port locked to mac address |
| 21:38.57 | bob2 | not nearly as secure as they'd like to think ;) |
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| 21:39.01 | ezhdeha | neige2: i've tried to follow since i logged on but i missed the first bit |
| 21:39.02 | npx | heheh |
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| 21:39.55 | bob2 | wow |
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| 21:40.04 | bob2 | one of the spam reports I sent in resulted in someone's account being close |
| 21:40.30 | citral | great |
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| 21:41.04 | citral | bob2: who did you send the report? to his ISP? |
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| 21:41.26 | bob2 | citral: yeah |
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| 21:41.44 | bob2 | I've been anal and have reported all my spam the past month |
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| 21:41.52 | bob2 | except to spam from kornet space, since they never reply |
| 21:41.57 | ezhdeha | bob2: how do u report it ? |
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| 21:42.03 | saper | pf |
| 21:42.17 | npx | I've been recieving a lot of spam at my retardedgarbageman account recently |
| 21:42.20 | citral | looking the headers one by one I presume |
| 21:42.28 | paster | "Stereo" at 212.76.255.91 pasted "2.6.11 kernel compilation error" (17 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/393 |
| 21:42.28 | bob2 | ezhdeha: I just look at the mail headers |
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| 21:42.42 | ezhdeha | bob2: cool - what, and then email their ISP ? |
| 21:42.45 | bob2 | and email abuse@ their isp, and postmaster@ whatever it came from |
| 21:42.51 | bob2 | ezhdeha: right |
| 21:42.53 | gentooian | bob2: spam can be sent from infected windows machines and the users know nothing about it, so you may be going after the wrong people |
| 21:43.04 | npx | A lot of people still don't realize they're running an open relay |
| 21:43.16 | bob2 | gentooian: oh, I know, but I kinda vaguely hope their ISP will tell them to clean up |
| 21:43.22 | citral | they should know better then... |
| 21:43.24 | gentooian | bob2: i see |
| 21:43.27 | ezhdeha | gentooian: lazy windows users should be punished anywayz, their a drain on the rest of us :) |
| 21:43.34 | gentooian | lol |
| 21:43.38 | npx | <-- lazy windows user =D |
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| 21:43.44 | bob2 | then I tend to firewall the machine anyway ;) |
| 21:44.03 | ezhdeha | npx :P i'm just washing my foot down with a tall glass of milk |
| 21:44.06 | CroatianNinja | we should make camps where we send all the windows users to |
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| 21:44.16 | npx | ahhaha |
| 21:44.27 | citral | no... not my mom... |
| 21:44.36 | gentooian | CroatianNinja: they have those, they are called banks, because thats where they have to go to pay for it |
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| 21:44.40 | npx | I run windows with colinux nowadays for web devel stuff. I'm a lamer and use dreamweaver/photoshop/flash |
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| 21:44.44 | CroatianNinja | hahaa |
| 21:44.53 | bob2 | but this works pretty well |
| 21:44.59 | citral | npx: you suck :P |
| 21:45.08 | CroatianNinja | npx, yeah i have a winxp partition too, i was just joking |
| 21:45.09 | bob2 | most of my spam now comes via servers I can't play with directly |
| 21:45.09 | ezhdeha | npx: u can run photoshop/dreamweaver/flash with wine anywayz |
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| 21:45.42 | citral | the aol speak is really inflating this days |
| 21:45.48 | npx | I'm not even remotely interested in using wine |
| 21:45.50 | gentooian | the most recent slurm of virii that have been coming through the mail server at work have been from fw2.pathmark.com |
| 21:45.53 | CroatianNinja | what is aol speak? |
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| 21:46.01 | npx | u dunno whut aolspeek is lol omg |
| 21:46.02 | citral | u, ur, lamez and so |
| 21:46.03 | Stereo | I'm having a problem when compiling linux 2.6.11 which I took from kernel.org. gcc segfaults like this in many places: http://channels.debian.net/paste/393 |
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| 21:46.10 | npx | roflabia majora |
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| 21:46.23 | bowman | heya. I have a cute little problem here - notebook with neither floppy nor cd drive - is there a way to put debian on it without these devices? at the moment, win98 and a broken debian are on the hd. |
| 21:46.25 | ezhdeha | citral: it's just 4 typing laziness |
| 21:46.32 | poonj | stereo: Gcc-3.3.5"? |
| 21:46.34 | bob2 | Stereo: the same place every time? |
| 21:46.34 | Tyler | is Debian available as an iso DVD? |
| 21:46.40 | bob2 | Tyler: yes, google for it |
| 21:46.48 | bob2 | bowman: can it pxe boot? |
| 21:46.48 | Tyler | i did it |
| 21:46.54 | ezhdeha | bowman: i'm sure you could PXE boot it somehow |
| 21:46.59 | Stereo | poonj: yes |
| 21:46.59 | npx | Tyler you're the champ! |
| 21:46.59 | Tyler | ssen it somewhere? |
| 21:47.27 | citral | Tyler: google for "sarge dvd iso" about 10000000 hits |
| 21:47.27 | poonj | stereo: is this a new computer? I had a similar problem, but it was because my CPU was running WAY too hot |
| 21:47.28 | green_earz | Tyler: check out ebay for a sarge dvd |
| 21:47.39 | bowman | pxe boot? I don't know, it's an old acer travelmate :-) |
| 21:47.50 | green_earz | Tyler: or use bittorent or jigdo |
| 21:47.54 | npx | bowman if it's got an ethernet port your odds are pretty decent |
| 21:47.55 | Tyler | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.59 | bob2 | bowman: how old? |
| 21:48.00 | poonj | stereo: but using gcc-3.3.5 works...I'm using a computer with a 2.6.11 kernel compiled with gcc-3.3.5 |
| 21:48.23 | Tyler | torrent anywhere for a DVD distro |
| 21:48.24 | bowman | bob2: let me think ;) something like 4-5 years I'd say |
| 21:48.47 | ezhdeha | bowman: that's a tough one buddy |
| 21:48.48 | bob2 | bowman: might work then...try going into the bios and looking for a "network boot" option |
| 21:49.00 | bowman | bob2: I will, hold on :) |
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| 21:49.08 | green_earz | Tyler: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/torrents/ |
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| 21:49.51 | miernik | does anyone know anything about SCSI and connecting scanners to it? |
| 21:49.55 | npx | I just finished this elaborate nested div olympics/fancy CSS layout, got it rendering perfectly in IE and Firefox... Opera messes it up now =) |
| 21:49.56 | Stereo | poonj: relatively new. One year or so. Shouldn't be running too hot. |
| 21:50.15 | Stereo | it crashes at the same place every time |
| 21:50.17 | Tyler | thanks green_earz |
| 21:50.20 | Stereo | same error and stuff |
| 21:50.23 | green_earz | np |
| 21:50.27 | dondelelcaro | miernik: just plug the scanner in, and assuming you've got sg working properly and sane supports it, the scanner will work |
| 21:50.28 | poonj | you do an md5sum on the package |
| 21:50.29 | poonj | ? |
| 21:50.38 | poonj | make sure that the package isn't corrupt |
| 21:50.50 | zepher | yeah i learned that the hard way |
| 21:50.51 | miernik | I haver a problem which looks like this: |
| 21:50.51 | miernik | localhost:~# cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 21:50.51 | miernik | Attached devices: |
| 21:50.51 | miernik | localhost:~# |
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| 21:50.52 | Stereo | I had a look at the file it complains about and it looks perfectly fine |
| 21:51.16 | poonj | ummm, I'm not sure then.. |
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| 21:52.05 | bowman | no network boot option. hm. I could of course try to repair the broken debian, I can still boot it :-) |
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| 21:52.51 | npx | bowman, you could use it to bootstrap another debian installation =D |
| 21:53.04 | gentooian | bowman: do you have another laptop with a cdrom laying around? you might be able to temporarily swap out the hard drives to get the proper files on it and do a hard drive installation |
| 21:53.15 | bowman | npx: yeah, probably. question is how ;) |
| 21:53.20 | miernik | well, it doesn't work,. whgat do you mean by "sg set up properly"? |
| 21:53.21 | bowman | gentooian: nope, unfortunately not |
| 21:53.26 | Stereo | fc9720f010b8d2befafce9b1823e5644 kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 |
| 21:53.28 | npx | bowman, de_bootstrap iirc |
| 21:53.38 | Stereo | does that look right? I can't find the sums anywhere on kernel.org |
| 21:53.46 | Stereo | waait |
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| 21:54.00 | Stereo | 91544ed14e672386bf2f76c94911afe6 linux-2.6.11.6.tar.bz2 |
| 21:54.02 | green_earz | poonj: md5sum file-name > file-name-output where the file is > then to check md5sum -c file-name-output where the file is |
| 21:54.03 | Stereo | there |
| 21:54.39 | poonj | green_earz: I was telling stereo to check the md5sum of the tarball for the 2.6.11 kernel package to make sure its not corrupt |
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| 21:56.30 | green_earz | poonj: as the tarball got md5sum if so md5sum -c tarball-md5sum where the tarball is |
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| 21:57.49 | poonj | green_earz, yes sir |
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| 21:58.16 | nazgul_ | tia |
| 21:58.27 | evanpro | I have a dumb question: the network at my new job has crummy bandwidth, and my apt updates are using it all up. |
| 21:58.29 | nazgul_ | dzieki |
| 21:58.45 | evanpro | Is there any way to throttle apt-get download rate? |
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| 21:59.15 | simonrvn | your job has dial-up? |
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| 21:59.31 | Stereo | right, I just checked the gpg sig |
| 21:59.33 | Stereo | gpg: Good signature from "Linux Kernel Archives Verification Key <ftpadmin@kernel.org>" |
| 21:59.35 | evanpro | simonrvn, my job has telegraphs |
| 21:59.37 | ezhdeha | evanpro: ummm, use a QoS traffic shaper on your computer ? |
| 21:59.39 | Stereo | so my tarball is correct |
| 21:59.48 | simonrvn | hehe, and batch processing |
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| 22:00.01 | evanpro | ezhdeha, I was looking more for some cool apt-conf setting |
| 22:00.05 | ezhdeha | evanpro: and just set any traffic coming from your update sites to have very low priority |
| 22:00.15 | ezhdeha | evanpro: have u googled for it ? |
| 22:00.16 | miernik | dondelelcaro: it doesn't work, cat /proc/scsi/scsi shows up noting |
| 22:00.23 | evanpro | no! |
| 22:00.26 | evanpro | I'll FGI! |
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| 22:00.35 | evanpro | GOOD POINT |
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| 22:01.08 | dondelelcaro | miernik: check dmesg, and make sure you see the device there. |
| 22:02.15 | nazgul_ | Jest ktos z Polski ???? |
| 22:02.15 | green_earz | evanpro: have a look at trickle |
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| 22:02.27 | evanpro | green_earz: I just found it! |
| 22:02.30 | evanpro | thx |
| 22:02.33 | miernik | dondelelcaro: controller is seen, scanner not see http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/192548 for my problem |
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| 22:02.54 | miernik | nazgul_: jest :) |
| 22:03.02 | green_earz | evanpro: trickle -d 20 apt-get install package-name |
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| 22:03.12 | JeffGreen | since doing an apt-get upgrade on my testing box I'm getting a plugin not found for .m3u urls, I can't find what has changed, any clues? |
| 22:03.23 | Stereo | poonj: is there any chance I could steal your .config ? |
| 22:03.30 | nazgul_ | miernik moge zadac Ci dziecinne pytanie poniewaz w zlobku nikt nie jest w stanie mi pomoc ??? |
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| 22:04.01 | mike_ | hi, im just wondering if there is a small chat program that can be used to talk to windoze and linux boxes. i don't want to get as far as installing an ircd for my network of 8 computers. |
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| 22:04.26 | ezhdeha | mike_ : winpopup / linpopup |
| 22:04.27 | wm_ | i'm having random lockups with my system, that I think are due to IO, anyone know what tools I can to investigate interrupt's and things? |
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| 22:04.50 | mike_ | ezhdeha, really? .... cool, thanks |
| 22:05.24 | poonj | stereo: sure.... |
| 22:05.30 | poonj | whats your email? |
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| 22:05.50 | ezhdeha | mike_: yeah, or try netmeeting / gnomemeeting |
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| 22:06.02 | ezhdeha | mike_: although i've never tried that 2 c how compatible they are |
| 22:06.15 | mike_ | ezhdeha, ok, thanks :-) |
| 22:06.20 | bazz | is there a find incantation that will find all the files modified on a particular day? |
| 22:07.06 | Steven_ | bazz : try -mtime |
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| 22:07.25 | evanpro | find /dir -mtime 2 -and -not -mtime 3 |
| 22:07.39 | Stereo | poonj: debian-2005-03-30T22:07:41@stereo.lu |
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| 22:08.02 | zepher | goodeve |
| 22:08.17 | zepher | what do i need to play dvd`s? |
| 22:08.27 | bazz | evanpro: that finds things modified 2 days ago but not 3 days ago? |
| 22:08.33 | phil_ | can anyone tell me how to set xfce as default? |
| 22:08.36 | wm_ | ok, how do I disable usb, do i have to compile it out of the kernel, can i turn it off in bios? |
| 22:08.40 | miernik | nazgul_: ok |
| 22:08.49 | wm_ | i don't want it taking interrupts basically |
| 22:09.04 | evanpro | bazz, I think so |
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| 22:09.05 | Stereo | poonj: dcc's from 192.168.2.104 won't work :) |
| 22:09.15 | poonj | :) |
| 22:09.37 | k3k0 | what is best linux released game now :) |
| 22:09.40 | poonj | stereo: sent' |
| 22:10.03 | bazz | evanpro: works, thanks |
| 22:10.06 | ezhdeha | k3k0: have u tried darwinia ? it kicks arse |
| 22:10.12 | zepher | i tried totem to play a dvd but it asks for libdvdgcc |
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| 22:10.17 | heloo | does anyone know how to fix client.o.lock error |
| 22:10.19 | evanpro | bazz, cool |
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| 22:10.42 | evanpro | I have now satisfied my Debian Oracle quota |
| 22:10.44 | evanpro | B-) |
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| 22:11.06 | ezhdeha | you have much to teach us.... |
| 22:12.00 | k3k0 | ezhdeha: nope, where i donwload it |
| 22:12.05 | Stereo | poonj: thanks :) |
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| 22:12.19 | zepher | An error occured |
| 22:12.19 | zepher | The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss? |
| 22:12.24 | ezhdeha | k3k0: i dunno :) search for it - demo use google, full game use gnutella |
| 22:13.06 | ezhdeha | k3k0: even though i don't like D&D style games, Neverwinter nights runs like a dream on linux - and it's pretty fun i guess |
| 22:13.18 | cureless | NWN is great |
| 22:13.56 | ezhdeha | zepher - do u have libdvdcss ? |
| 22:14.11 | zepher | no. what is it and where can i get it? |
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| 22:14.23 | cureless | k3k0: NWN is a great game, it's not free, but it should be relatively cheap now. DnD RPG game. |
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| 22:14.49 | k3k0 | ok |
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| 22:15.17 | ezhdeha | zepher - add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list file and then search for it |
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| 22:15.25 | Stereo | poonj: unless you put Impotence problems formula as your subject, I didn't get your email |
| 22:15.29 | ezhdeha | zepher - that site has all sorts of cool codecs and stuff |
| 22:15.37 | zepher | thank you |
| 22:15.38 | evanpro | green_earz, trickle totally r0XOrZ |
| 22:15.42 | evanpro | Good call |
| 22:15.44 | ezhdeha | no problem :) |
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| 22:16.50 | ezhdeha | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah crap, gotta go 2 work soon :( |
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| 22:17.06 | k3k0 | how i can install this game darwinia-demo-1.1.2.sh |
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| 22:17.14 | ezhdeha | to my office full os MS loving waterheads |
| 22:17.18 | k3k0 | thats *.sh |
| 22:17.22 | k3k0 | somethink |
| 22:17.31 | ezhdeha | k3k0: `sh darwinia-demo-1.1.2.sh` |
| 22:17.42 | ezhdeha | k3k0: that'll do the job |
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| 22:18.01 | ezhdeha | k3k0: failing that do a `chmod 755 darw*` first |
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| 22:18.19 | k3k0 | wow |
| 22:18.27 | k3k0 | that was easy :) |
| 22:18.30 | TheMoebius | I accidentily deleted the debian mysql user. How can I reinsert it? |
| 22:18.33 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 22:18.37 | ezhdeha | k3k0: it normally is :) |
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| 22:18.59 | zepher | ezhdeha: Thank you, it works |
| 22:19.09 | ezhdeha | themoebius: dead easy way - uninstall / reinstall mysql |
| 22:19.15 | simonrvn | did you expect having to open a 50 MB GUI "control panel" and have *it* do the chmod for you? ;P |
| 22:19.23 | ezhdeha | zepher: glad 2 be of service :) |
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| 22:20.48 | ezhdeha | themoebius: what am i thinking - simply go `useradd mysql` as root |
| 22:20.55 | TheMoebius | ezhdeha but i need to keep all my databases and the other users. So I can't just back up the mysql.user table because that would mess up the debian user again wouldn't it? |
| 22:21.07 | TheMoebius | hmm |
| 22:21.19 | simonrvn | ezhdeha: um, that won't work |
| 22:21.24 | ezhdeha | themoebius, the debian "mysql user" and the mysql user database have nothing 2 do with one another |
| 22:21.27 | k3k0 | lol that game sux :d |
| 22:21.30 | simonrvn | s/he's talking about the tables in the DB |
| 22:21.38 | TheMoebius | ezhdeha well I think the system user still exists, but not in the mysql user |
| 22:22.02 | ezhdeha | themoebius: have u tried `mysql -u root` ? |
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| 22:22.10 | TheMoebius | ezhdeha its the database user that was deleted |
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| 22:22.21 | ezhdeha | themoebius: aaaaah ok - see last post |
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| 22:22.57 | TheMoebius | ezhdeha yeah I can log in as root. This is the error I get when starting up mysql. /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 22:22.58 | TheMoebius | error: 'Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' (Using password: YES)' |
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| 22:23.49 | simonrvn | the user's gone. just re-add it. the READEME.Debian probably has the right info to do that, or a pointer to the right info |
| 22:23.52 | ezhdeha | themoebius, so u can log in as root - well, just add the debian user back as root then |
| 22:23.57 | simonrvn | README* |
| 22:24.25 | TheMoebius | ok |
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| 22:24.30 | TheMoebius | yeah I wasn't sure of the permissions, etc. |
| 22:25.00 | TheMoebius | where might I find the debian.README? |
| 22:25.02 | ezhdeha | mysql> "grant all privileges to 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' identified by '<password>' with grant option" |
| 22:25.05 | ezhdeha | that should do the trick |
| 22:25.10 | jhares | pls when i download skype.deb to ~/download how i install it (i started with debian) |
| 22:25.29 | ezhdeha | but first going - mysql>use <required_Database>; |
| 22:25.44 | ezhdeha | and then last but not least mysql> flush privileges; |
| 22:25.52 | HeavyD | Does anybody know what the channel for XPDE is? There seems to be nobody in #xpde |
| 22:25.56 | simonrvn | jhares: man dpkg. hint, -i |
| 22:26.15 | TheMoebius | ezhdeha how do I know what the password should be for debian-sys-maint. since I didn't set it up myself I never set a pass for it' |
| 22:26.22 | TheMoebius | ezhdeha is it my root pass? |
| 22:26.25 | simonrvn | no |
| 22:26.29 | setog3 | :D |
| 22:26.33 | ezhdeha | themoebius - nope :) |
| 22:26.37 | TheMoebius | hmm |
| 22:26.45 | ezhdeha | what is the account used for ? |
| 22:26.52 | ezhdeha | or by ? |
| 22:27.01 | TheMoebius | i dunno, it's something debian puts in there, I never touched it |
| 22:27.18 | to_ | hi, how to improve police appearance in emacs(X11) not to see all pixels?.. |
| 22:27.19 | tga | any idea why when using MergedFB to have a cloned LVMS,CRT setup the second screen would always go blank/standby? |
| 22:27.34 | evanpro | to_, do you have some particular pixels in mind? |
| 22:27.53 | ezhdeha | themoebius, oh yeah - i never noticed that before :) |
| 22:27.58 | simonrvn | s/he means fonts... "police" is font in french |
| 22:28.06 | evanpro | neat |
| 22:28.08 | evanpro | I didn't know that |
| 22:28.18 | evanpro | So, how to solve the jaggies in emacs |
| 22:28.30 | to_ | evanpro: i'd like to make my police a bit more antialiased.. |
| 22:28.46 | to_ | is there an option for that? |
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| 22:29.05 | Ronin | ok even knowing what to_ is asking seeing police instead of font is way to freaky |
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| 22:29.35 | to_ | Ronin: okay yes font sorry |
| 22:29.42 | simonrvn | "improve police appearance" NO. THANK. YOU! |
| 22:29.49 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 22:29.53 | idnar | bwahaha |
| 22:29.55 | to_ | ;) |
| 22:29.57 | themrmooseman | :) |
| 22:30.01 | cafuego | They could wear sequins, it'd be PRETTY! |
| 22:30.08 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 22:30.40 | to_ | so how to make FONT a little less pixelised in emacs(X11)?.. |
| 22:30.49 | ezhdeha | themoebius: here is a quote i found on the web "A new mysql user "debian-sys-maint" will be created. He is used in the start/stop and cron scripts. Don't delete him." |
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| 22:31.09 | TheMoebius | ezhdeha yeah hehe. opps. |
| 22:31.17 | simonrvn | emacs doesn't do anti-aliasing very well TMK. i just use lucidatypewriter. looks ok, and has an utf-8 version |
| 22:31.53 | simonrvn | i do too. same font =) |
| 22:32.17 | ezhdeha | themoebius: uninstall and reinstall mysql :) - back up databases first |
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| 22:33.13 | TheMoebius | where can I find the debian mysql html manual? |
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| 22:34.09 | cafuego | in the mysql-doc package, i expect. |
| 22:34.38 | simonrvn | also try the README lik i mentioned before... hint: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/... |
| 22:34.43 | simonrvn | like* |
| 22:34.47 | ezhdeha | goodbye everyone - i'm off 2 work now |
| 22:34.55 | Empty | Hey how do I get alien to report what RPMs have been installed by my #@$#@ coworkers? |
| 22:34.57 | cafuego | lick* |
| 22:34.58 | ezhdeha | thanx 4 the banter |
| 22:35.07 | cafuego | Empty: Wrong channel. |
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| 22:35.11 | simonrvn | @lart cafuego |
| 22:35.32 | Empty | cafuego, How so? I am trying to re-debian the debian install on this box |
| 22:35.35 | poonj | stereo: sorry about that |
| 22:35.37 | cafuego | Empty: or have your co-workers installed RPMs on your debian machine? |
| 22:35.41 | poonj | stereo: I just got the bounce |
| 22:35.42 | Empty | I thought alien was Deb specicfic? |
| 22:35.52 | poonj | stereo: you have an ftp server or something? |
| 22:35.53 | Empty | cafuego, Yes they have |
| 22:35.56 | simonrvn | gawds, that would so suck and so break it... |
| 22:35.59 | cafuego | Empty: nah, debian converts between a lot of stuff. |
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| 22:36.14 | Empty | cafuego, Their children are slated for execution already |
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| 22:36.15 | cafuego | Empty: Ok. Just ignore the machine and go postal on them. Then it won't matter anymore. |
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| 22:36.34 | slugbug | Would anyone know why it always takes so long to mount this NFS share? |
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| 22:36.50 | Empty | cafuego, One of them is my boss, so you arer pretty right about that |
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| 22:37.02 | cafuego | Empty: Seriously though, there's no real way to distinguish between alien-converted .debs and actual debs via 'dpkg -l' |
| 22:37.17 | kurumin | aeeee |
| 22:37.20 | Empty | so alien repacks the rpm as a deb then installs the deb? |
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| 22:37.30 | kurumin | tem brazileiro ai? |
| 22:37.40 | Guerin | Empty: wait until things start breaking - chances are you'll find out then |
| 22:37.40 | cafuego | !br |
| 22:37.40 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 22:37.51 | gravity | Empty: You could check aptitude or dselect's section for locally created packages |
| 22:37.56 | Stereo | poonj: not really. What does the bounce say? |
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| 22:38.14 | cafuego | Empty: yep. Which I guess isn't quite as bad as if they would have used 'rpm' to install the RPMs. |
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| 22:40.21 | Empty | cafuego: Thanks a ton man |
| 22:41.00 | simonrvn | ahem, tonne. metric dude :p |
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| 22:41.29 | cafuego | simonrvn: 'ton' in dutch. |
| 22:41.41 | simonrvn | nyah ;p |
| 22:41.42 | cafuego | See also 'barrel'. |
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| 22:42.11 | bowman | I think I'll try something with a netinstall ISO now. will tell you guys if it worked :) |
| 22:42.51 | gravity | Hilarity ensues? |
| 22:43.26 | Stereo | for my kernel compilation thing, could I maybe put my .config online to see what happens when one of you guys tries it? |
| 22:43.43 | Stereo | no risk to you, and if it works you get a shiny new kernel |
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| 22:44.10 | Madkiss | Hi all |
| 22:44.25 | Madkiss | If I want my Bluetooth mouse to be recognized as soon as it is in the near of my iBook, what do I have to do? |
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| 22:47.28 | kalensk | !dpkg nvidia |
| 22:47.28 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 22:48.35 | tga | anyone here using two monitors with MergedFB enabled? |
| 22:48.41 | simonrvn | no |
| 22:48.53 | resiak | directhex: What a good idea! *tries W:A on Cedega* |
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| 22:49.40 | miernik | !dpkg scsi |
| 22:49.40 | dpkg | somebody said scsi was (Small Computer Standard Interface) A standard data pathway used mostly for hard drives and CD-ROM drives, but also a common interface for scanners and sometimes printers. Currently the fastest (and the most flexible) method of interfacing with hard drives. It comes in two major varieties: SCSI-2 or WIDE SCSI. Both can now be Ultra, which doubles the speed. available in Ultra160 and Ultra320 flavors, or a cabling ... |
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| 22:51.44 | calin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.44 | calin | possible? |
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| 22:52.37 | digital_ | gn :) |
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| 22:54.26 | drewcore | is there a partitioner on the debian rescue disk? |
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| 22:54.56 | paulswm | calin: If it'll take a MicroATX mobo and provided you put a good HSF on the CPU and get good airflow though it |
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| 22:55.28 | ar7 | hi there |
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| 22:55.46 | ar7 | i need help about linux kernel |
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| 22:57.42 | ar7 | NET4: Ethernet Bridge 008 for NET4.0 |
| 22:57.42 | ar7 | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 1f:00 |
| 22:57.51 | ar7 | is there anyone can help me about this? |
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| 22:58.43 | paulswm | ar7: On which device and partition is your root filesystem |
| 22:59.46 | ar7 | paulswn: it is TI AR7.. and mtd |
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| 23:00.41 | cafuego | drewcore: fdisk |
| 23:00.46 | ar7 | paulswn: i can compile the kernel for this embedded device. but it can not see rom fs.. thats why it cant mount |
| 23:00.55 | dinomite | Does the Sarge installer not have the capability to scan for bad blocks? |
| 23:01.15 | cafuego | dinomite: I'm sure it comes with 'badblocks'. |
| 23:01.31 | dinomite | apparently not |
| 23:01.40 | dinomite | not in /sbin /bin /usr/bin /usr/sbin |
| 23:01.48 | dinomite | at least in rc2 |
| 23:01.48 | cafuego | Hmm. |
| 23:01.51 | cafuego | use it. |
| 23:01.54 | cafuego | arrgh |
| 23:02.06 | cafuego | damn autocorrect, .sue it. |
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| 23:02.41 | dinomite | heh |
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| 23:03.30 | giansalvo | which package do I need to install to compile with "-lXaw" |
| 23:03.55 | toresbe | libxaw7 iirc |
| 23:04.05 | toresbe | yep |
| 23:04.07 | toresbe | libxaw7-dev |
| 23:04.29 | cafuego | libXaw (athena widgets lib) |
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| 23:06.44 | giansalvo | thanks. precisely it is libxaw6-dev |
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| 23:07.38 | baikonur | hi |
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| 23:07.46 | cafuego | toresbe is a silly sid user. |
| 23:07.49 | segfault- | hello everyone |
| 23:07.49 | mne | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.05 | toresbe | cafuego: apologees :) |
| 23:08.29 | baikonur | how can I install Debian on a computer with HPT374 S-ATA controller? it seems that there isn't driver support for that controller on the boot disks |
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| 23:08.54 | citral | baikonur: ask in #debian-boot, they know better |
| 23:09.04 | cafuego | baikonur: *maybe* with a 2.6 krnel on the sarge rc2 cd. |
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| 23:09.46 | baikonur | okay, thanks |
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| 23:09.48 | setnf | how could I do movies from my screen ? |
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| 23:10.17 | segfault- | hi i'm using horde 2 (well installed the problem isn't here) but it seem it use pear Log module to create a log file (named horde.log) and when i try to login i see this error : |
| 23:10.19 | segfault- | Warning: touch(): Unable to create file /var/log/horde2/horde.log because Permission denied in /usr/share/php/Log/file.php on line 119 |
| 23:10.19 | segfault- | Warning: chmod(): Permission denied in /usr/share/php/Log/file.php on line 120 |
| 23:10.46 | cafuego | segfault-: So it doesn't have write access on the log directory |
| 23:10.47 | segfault- | is there anyway to fix it ? (i have to say imp3 & turba is also installed as well) |
| 23:11.02 | setnf | how could I do movies from my screen ? |
| 23:11.03 | segfault- | cafuego, i tried to change it to var www |
| 23:11.13 | segfault- | and also make it writeable by apache |
| 23:11.16 | giansalvo | actually toresbe was right: libxaw7-dev |
| 23:11.17 | cafuego | segfault-: It still isn't allowed to WRITE to that. |
| 23:11.19 | segfault- | it didn't work either |
| 23:11.26 | resiak | setnf: Do you mean, "how do I watch DVDs?"? |
| 23:11.28 | drewcore | i just want to get enough debian loaded to partition my drive... can i do that with the rescue and root floppies? |
| 23:11.51 | setnf | resiak, no |
| 23:11.51 | resiak | setnf: What _do_ you mean? |
| 23:11.51 | cafuego | Disable logging, or make it use syslog() like a decent app. |
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| 23:12.06 | segfault- | cafuego, it's a debian package ;) expected there is a fix or so ;) |
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| 23:12.13 | setnf | I just want write videos from my acts at screen |
| 23:12.20 | setnf | ;) |
| 23:12.21 | segfault- | or a way to know wich user is required to have the permissions to write in :) |
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| 23:12.57 | setnf | example: I want write a movie of my act on xterm window. how could i do it ? |
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| 23:14.21 | jlacosse | does anyone know where i can get some mac related help? |
| 23:14.37 | rlloyd | can someone tell me where the install file is located for libdvdcss? |
| 23:15.27 | valdyn | !tell rlloyd about marillat |
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| 23:15.50 | setnf | example: I want write a movie of my act on xterm window. how could i do it ? |
| 23:15.51 | citral | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.57 | setnf | anyone knows ? |
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| 23:16.20 | rlloyd | thanks for !telling me |
| 23:16.22 | rlloyd | ;) |
| 23:16.27 | kenzo | sorry for being offtopic: does anyone know how to escape the semicolon in bind-zonefiles (for domainkeys)? i already googled my ass off. |
| 23:16.35 | citral | jlacosse: yes, here and in #debianppc |
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| 23:18.34 | jlacosse | so I have an imac running os x 10.3 that cannot obtain a dhcp address directly from a service provider, my freind got it for free becuase a school computer tech could not get it to work with the internet, funny thing is he plugs it into a debain based dhcp (dnsmasq) server and its get the net, so does anyoine have any idea why it works? |
| 23:18.46 | citral | rlloyd: maybe you mean /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
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| 23:19.07 | citral | jlacosse: oh, you're not running debian |
| 23:19.25 | citral | jlacosse: try #apple, #osx, dunno |
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| 23:19.30 | rlloyd | yes citral.... that is exactly what i was thinking! |
| 23:19.32 | rlloyd | thanks |
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| 23:20.02 | jlacosse | citral: well, the only server that the mac can obtain an ip address is running debian |
| 23:20.24 | setnf | how to dump movie from my screen ? |
| 23:20.37 | giansalvo | how can I tell which package does a file belongs to for a pkg that is not installed and whithout using debian.org? |
| 23:20.40 | enigmus | hey. my $LANG is en_US.UTF-8, but I get plenty of perl: warning: Setting locale failed., or Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. I used dpkg-reconfigure locales to set it up. What's wrong? |
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| 23:20.55 | dondelelcaro | miernik: have you terminated the scsi bus properly? |
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| 23:21.48 | miernik | dondelelcaro: yes, I even shorted the jum[per as in http://www.chipmunk.nl/astraterminator.html |
| 23:21.54 | Guerin | setnf: dump it to where? |
| 23:22.20 | setnf | to example: .mpg extension |
| 23:22.51 | Seb | what's the right way to deal with the following problem: argouml wants some j2re, say j2re1.4, and I have installed sun's j2re already; how do I tell my system that I *do* have a j2re1.4 installed already ? |
| 23:23.04 | Fackamato | can I download the firefox source, compile myself, and install over the firefox package? if so, what happens when I apt-get upgrade to a new firefox? will it just write over? |
| 23:23.20 | citral | jlacosse: did you try to unplug the dhcp modem, wait two minutes, and replug it? |
| 23:23.35 | enigmus | set your PATH correctly, ie. add smthg like export PATH=$PATH:/opt/j2re/bin/ |
| 23:23.37 | Seb | Fackamato: yes & yes, unless oyu choose to install your version, compiled from source, in say /usr/local |
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| 23:23.55 | Seb | Fackamato: that way both versions can peacefully coexist |
| 23:24.02 | kenzo | maybe someone knows a bind9-irc channel? |
| 23:24.28 | jlacosse | !dondelelcaro |
| 23:24.28 | dpkg | methinks dondelelcaro is a nutcase who can't stop talking to apt, |
| 23:24.35 | Guerin | setnf: mplayer -dumpstream |
| 23:24.42 | Rawplayer | who let the dogs out? |
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| 23:24.44 | Fackamato | Seb: allright, thanks |
| 23:24.50 | jlacosse | sorry my bad |
| 23:24.54 | Seb | Fackamato: np |
| 23:25.10 | Rawplayer | Fackamato :P |
| 23:25.47 | setnf | Guerin, i will get mplayer but... it dumps all screen or can i selected one window to dump ? |
| 23:26.20 | Fackamato | Rawplayer: :P:P |
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| 23:26.41 | setnf | Fackamato, rawplayer does it / |
| 23:26.48 | Fackamato | :o |
| 23:27.17 | synic | I've just installed a new kernel...and everything boots find until it gets to "sarting periodic command scheduler" and then it hangs |
| 23:27.34 | synic | after a while, I get messages about "INIT id respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" |
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| 23:27.59 | citral | methink of an IRQ problem |
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| 23:28.21 | wombachi | out of sheer curiosity : does debian really use wml for its websites? seems wml is quite dead since 2002 |
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| 23:29.44 | citral | synic: what new kernel did you install? version, self-compiled? |
| 23:29.55 | synic | 2.6.11.6 |
| 23:30.06 | synic | yes, self compiled |
| 23:30.20 | citral | and before? |
| 23:30.43 | synic | stock kernel that comes in sarge |
| 23:31.32 | citral | synic: you picked the sources at kernel.org? |
| 23:31.40 | synic | yes |
| 23:32.05 | citral | those don't have the debian patches, maybe that's the problem |
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| 23:32.28 | miernik | dondelelcaro: do I need to terminate the internal socket too? (there is nothing connected to it) |
| 23:32.43 | miyo | citral: 2.6.11.6, self-compiled works just fine for me. |
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| 23:32.55 | conreyt | Hi all I installed the nvidia drivers on my comp earlier today and it seems as though it's not doing something correctly only getting like 20-25fps in my glxgears, however I've changed from "nv" to "nvidia" (to include spash at X starting......) any thought? |
| 23:33.01 | citral | miyo: give him your .config :P |
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| 23:33.09 | miyo | citral: without debian patches. |
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| 23:33.53 | thingfish | man, me too. |
| 23:33.54 | miyo | citral: Oh, my config is 'cp /boot/config-2.6.10-1-k7 .config; make oldconfig' |
| 23:33.56 | cafuego | synic: Then you probably missed some required option when you configured your kernel. |
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| 23:34.05 | synic | yeah, probably |
| 23:34.07 | synic | I just don't know what. |
| 23:34.08 | miyo | citral: With some stuff removed that refuses to compile (yes, quick and dirty) |
| 23:34.15 | cafuego | Note that 2.6.12-rc1-mm3 has issues. |
| 23:34.30 | citral | synic: note what miyo did, it's a good start |
| 23:34.34 | dondelelcaro | miernik: there should be an external terminator after the scanner in the scsi chain |
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| 23:35.13 | thingfish | gosh, I wonder what distro Mepisman is running. |
| 23:35.19 | conreyt | anyone got a sec for a silly nvidia question? |
| 23:35.31 | miernik | dondelelcaro: yes there is (connected to the scanner) |
| 23:35.33 | cafuego | thingfish: Bigpond user, thus WIndows. |
| 23:35.38 | dondelelcaro | miernik: or at least, that's the typical method. I personally haven't used the internal UMAX scsi terminators, and dunno if they work at all. |
| 23:35.42 | miyo | http://www.iki.fi/miyo/config-2.6.11.6 |
| 23:35.43 | citral | conreyt: maybe two, no more than three :) |
| 23:35.44 | thingfish | conreyt: was that the only editing you did, changing the nv to nvidia? |
| 23:35.45 | dondelelcaro | miernik: ok, which adaptech card is this? |
| 23:35.54 | thingfish | hehe cafuego |
| 23:36.38 | dondelelcaro | miernik: unless it's one of the cheapoid ones, there should be a bios screen where you can see which devices were detected by the card. |
| 23:36.41 | conreyt | well no I've added the twin view settings etc. in the config thats not the issue I believe however I don't know how to check that it's using different libs and not the nvidia ones. |
| 23:37.03 | miernik | dondelelcaro: but the internal; socket on the SCSI cardis empty |
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| 23:37.23 | thingfish | conreyt: there are a few items that need to be commented out of the default XF86Config-4. |
| 23:37.24 | dondelelcaro | miernik: that's fine |
| 23:37.28 | miernik | dondelelcaro: see http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/192548 |
| 23:37.41 | dondelelcaro | miernik: I'm looking at it. Do you actually have a 2940? |
| 23:38.09 | miernik | dondelelcaro: 0000:00:0a.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940/2940W / AIC-7871 |
| 23:38.15 | citral | !seen ricky_clarkson |
| 23:38.15 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson <~ricky@rickyclarkson.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 9h 2m 45s ago, saying: 'bob2 is now officially a gerbil'. |
| 23:38.17 | Wyzard | What's the correct way to remove the *first* device from a RAID-1 set using mdadm? |
| 23:38.21 | citral | mmm |
| 23:38.22 | conreyt | I've followed a pretty lengthy guide, used the /msg nvidia howto and have had success on other systems (debian sid) |
| 23:38.33 | miernik | that's the card I have |
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| 23:38.57 | conreyt | pretty sure that it's a lib issue, not sure how to verify that it's using the nvidia libs. |
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| 23:39.02 | grumpydog | bucky ping |
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| 23:39.05 | Wyzard | I have a 3-device array, with device 0 "removed", and devices 1 and 2 active... I want to make it a 2-device array, but "mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=2" says "device or resource busy" |
| 23:39.08 | grumpydog | hiya dude |
| 23:39.09 | dondelelcaro | miernik: hrm... ok, and iirc, that one doesn't have the ctrl-a screen at boot, right? |
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| 23:39.10 | bucky | grumpydog, pong |
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| 23:39.16 | cafuego | Wyzard: Set it to failed |
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| 23:39.20 | conreyt | thingfish: pretty sure that it's a lib issue, not sure how to verify that it's using the nvidia libs. |
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| 23:39.32 | grumpydog | bucky thanks for the email regarding gentoo |
| 23:39.35 | conreyt | citral: any thoughts? |
| 23:39.44 | grumpydog | it was really appreciated |
| 23:39.46 | bucky | grumpydog, interesting times |
| 23:39.49 | Wyzard | cafuego: I've already failed and removed the device... now I'm trying to get rid of the slot it left behind, because I don't intend to ever use it again |
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| 23:39.58 | miernik | dondelelcaro: it does have Ctrl-A tghing |
| 23:39.59 | grumpydog | bucky true it is |
| 23:40.08 | cafuego | Wyzard: Ah, no idea, mine seems to be using raidtools still |
| 23:40.25 | miernik | dondelelcaro: but not muich interesting stuff in there |
| 23:40.27 | dondelelcaro | miernik: ok, do you see the scanner show up in the list htere? |
| 23:40.32 | thingfish | conreyt: what does lsmod say is loaded, nv or nvidia? |
| 23:40.36 | Wyzard | cafuego: Basically I want to make device 1 become device 0, and device 2 become device 1, device 2 will be the removed one and I can get rid of it with "--raid-devices=2" |
| 23:40.40 | conreyt | lsmod |
| 23:40.43 | conreyt | ? |
| 23:40.46 | citral | conreyt: not here |
| 23:40.56 | grumpydog | bucky I could not understand all the gentuu dev uk complaints that were made against me :( |
| 23:40.58 | miernik | dondelelcaro: just "terminator power" which was "auto" and I switched it to "on", but it didn't help |
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| 23:41.07 | conreyt | thingfish: conreyt <--little fish command? |
| 23:41.09 | citral | conreyt: type "lsmod | grep nv" in a terminal |
| 23:41.10 | grumpydog | *gentoo |
| 23:41.18 | cafuego | Wyzard: Can you make device 2 become device 0 and then remove 2? |
| 23:41.27 | dondelelcaro | miernik: hrm... that screen should also search the bus and display anything that is actually attached to the controller |
| 23:41.44 | conreyt | thingfish: response: nvidia 4564604 12 |
| 23:41.49 | dondelelcaro | miernik: the scanner is on well before the machine is turned on, right? |
| 23:41.51 | miernik | dondelelcaro: in the BIOS ctrl-A thing? well no, but I also don't see where devicezs might show up there |
| 23:41.59 | ezhdeha | coreyt: there's a good article here http://www.xolinc.com/blog/index.php?id=11 about nvidia and dual head |
| 23:42.04 | wombachi | conreyt did you read the nvidia (lengthy) doc? This can help |
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| 23:42.06 | dondelelcaro | miernik: it shows up right after the ctrl-a message is shown |
| 23:42.07 | Wyzard | cafuego: Probably... I was hoping to find a way that doesn't involve temporarily having only 1 device in sync, for safety reasons, but removing and re-adding one is the fallback |
| 23:42.29 | wombachi | conreyt I had to 'modprobe agpgart' with a nvidia card iirc |
| 23:42.44 | citral | conreyt: au fait, you didn't actually tell us if you have any problem... is something not working? |
| 23:42.50 | miernik | dondelelcaro: I don't think it did, but I might look again if I reboot |
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| 23:43.17 | dondelelcaro | miernik: hrm... ok, well, if you know for certain the device is there, and what ID it's on, you could try the following: |
| 23:43.23 | grumpydog | bucky, it is not like I disrespected debian users, but there is a political point going on. I say if you do not like Gentoo, move to Debian and vice versa. |
| 23:43.35 | conreyt | citral: um yea let me get it again.......l I installed the nvidia drivers on my comp earlier today and it seems as though it's not doing something correctly only getting like 20-25fps in my glxgears, however I've changed from "nv" to "nvidia" (to include spash at X starting......) any thought? |
| 23:43.40 | dondelelcaro | miernik: echo "scsi add-single-device 2 0 5 0" > /proc/scsi/scsi; assuming the bus was 2 and the scsi id was 5. |
| 23:44.13 | citral | conreyt: ok, so one problem after another, that has nothing to do with dual-head |
| 23:44.29 | conreyt | wombachi: no issue with dual head ever stated. |
| 23:44.30 | citral | conreyt: try glinfo |
| 23:44.39 | miernik | dondelelcaro: what is bus and jhow do I check which I have? |
| 23:44.47 | citral | conreyt: glxinfo sorry |
| 23:44.49 | dondelelcaro | miernik: look in dmesg |
| 23:44.56 | _ranix | wow |
| 23:45.08 | _ranix | I never realized how easy debian was to install and use |
| 23:45.10 | quittt | how do I convert mpeg to mp3? |
| 23:45.19 | dondelelcaro | quittt: mp3 is mpeg. |
| 23:45.37 | _ranix | I'm trying to install netbsd now and I'm getting smacked around. I can't even get INTO the #freebsd channel |
| 23:45.38 | conreyt | citral: alot of output to screen what am I looking for? |
| 23:46.00 | cafuego | _ranix: Well, netbsd != freebsd, so that would be fine anyway. |
| 23:46.14 | citral | conreyt: specially the beginning, direct rendering? |
| 23:46.18 | _ranix | cafuego, nah I'm trying to mount the netbsd filesystem on a freebsd box |
| 23:46.23 | grumpydog | bucky some of the Gentoo dev have just said thanks very much for creating a forum, but you are _not_ needed anymore. It really is a shame. 2 Years of work an being told to FUCK OFF in polite words in not appreciated :/ |
| 23:46.24 | dondelelcaro | miernik: anyway, good luck with that. I'll be back in a few hours. |
| 23:46.32 | _ranix | cause Debian can't understand the bass-ackwards ffs filesystem |
| 23:46.36 | conreyt | citral: direct rndering : yes |
| 23:46.39 | _ranix | not that I blame it |
| 23:47.00 | citral | conreyt: ok ok, now lsmod | grep agp |
| 23:47.04 | bucky | grumpydog, well you see how they treated daniel |
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| 23:47.10 | cafuego | _ranix: Ey? Of course you can mount 44bsd filesystems. |
| 23:47.10 | grumpydog | I might take Debian UK conference up |
| 23:47.21 | _ranix | cafuego, read-only |
| 23:47.25 | cafuego | _ranix: Yes. |
| 23:47.28 | miernik | dondelelcaro: I don't see that bus thing in dmesg |
| 23:47.28 | conreyt | citral: curses no response. |
| 23:47.41 | _ranix | cafuego, I'm trying to get a distribution onto a handheld pc for an install |
| 23:47.43 | grumpydog | I can get the facilities at the drop of a hat bucky |
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| 23:47.51 | citral | conreyt: so read the nvidia howto again, and look for agp :) |
| 23:47.54 | cafuego | _ranix: *bsd* ? |
| 23:47.55 | cornSCOlio | howdy |
| 23:48.08 | conreyt | wonbachi: howto on that modprobe agpgart? |
| 23:48.21 | _ranix | cafuego, yeah. I would put linux on it, but the debian-mips kernel is practically unsupported |
| 23:48.26 | conreyt | citral: thx. |
| 23:48.29 | grumpydog | Nobody in Gentoo has the respect to get the facilities I have. |
| 23:48.39 | miernik | dondelelcaro: just scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.36 |
| 23:48.42 | wombachi | conreyt all infos are in the nvidia howto |
| 23:48.47 | conreyt | citral: cursed system only doing what I asked lol |
| 23:48.49 | cafuego | _ranix: You can always cross-compile a new mips kernel and create a custom installer. |
| 23:48.50 | conreyt | thx all |
| 23:48.56 | wombachi | conreyt the driver can use linux agp or an 'internal' agp |
| 23:49.03 | _ranix | cafuego, over my head |
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| 23:49.16 | wombachi | conreyt It work with kernel agp ('modprobe agpgart') for me |
| 23:49.20 | cornSCOlio | just changed from a redhat machine to debian and was wondering what would be a good way to support pop3 (the default that redhat had if possible (was sendmail and default pop3 daemon from inetd.conf)) |
| 23:49.25 | cafuego | _ranix: Well, how about a sarge netinst with mips 2.4/2.6 kernel? |
| 23:49.30 | citral | conreyt: heh |
| 23:49.38 | _ranix | cafuego, can you even do that? |
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| 23:49.43 | cafuego | _ranix: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/mips/rc3/sarge-mips-netinst.iso |
| 23:49.47 | conreyt | wombachi: did you do the debian apt-get install of nvidia? |
| 23:50.00 | cafuego | _ranix: Comes with base system and kernel, so I see no reason why you couldn't. |
| 23:50.04 | cornSCOlio | i cant for the life of me figure out what pop3 daemon was default for redhat 6.2 |
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| 23:50.20 | cafuego | _ranix: Just check supported software, I guess. |
| 23:50.28 | cafuego | s/software/hardware/ |
| 23:50.31 | _ranix | cafuego, problems arise from the low storage capacity of the destination drive |
| 23:50.38 | wombachi | conreyt I dont remember well. I remember I had to compile the nvidia module myself |
| 23:50.45 | cafuego | _ranix: The installer runs on udebs :-) |
| 23:50.46 | conreyt | hmm |
| 23:51.18 | citral | conreyt: note that you have to load agp *before* nvidia |
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| 23:51.34 | Optikal__ | CAn anyone recommend a free iso burner for WinXP? |
| 23:51.47 | conreyt | citral: sigh |
| 23:51.48 | FieldySnuts | go ask a windows channel. |
| 23:51.59 | conreyt | !beer cirtal |
| 23:52.00 | Ronin | nero is time dated shareware if you want to burn our isos i think |
| 23:52.02 | grumpydog | go get k3b |
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| 23:52.07 | Optikal__ | I'm trying to burn a debian image if that helps any hehe |
| 23:52.08 | citral | mmmm |
| 23:52.10 | _ranix | cafuego, the netinst is about 100 megs, usually, and the destination drive is only a 256mb flash card. I have to have the netinst dropped onto the flash card to begin it, I have no secondary drive or cd drive to work with |
| 23:52.19 | FieldySnuts | fine but how would we know what windows software to use. use your brain, come on. |
| 23:52.19 | conreyt | !beer wombachi |
| 23:52.28 | cornSCOlio | whats a windows channel? |
| 23:52.36 | Ronin | cornSCOlio: #windows perhaps |
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| 23:52.42 | cornSCOlio | does it carry water? |
| 23:52.46 | Phated | You're the one on Windows, you tell us. |
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| 23:52.50 | baloo | You must be at least this smart |<----->| to ask a stupid question and not get called on it. |
| 23:52.53 | grumpydog | lol |
| 23:53.01 | cafuego | _ranix: That's fine, provided you can boot that ISO. The base install is ~ 100Mb, so you'll have SOME space to spare, you can trim it down after the initial install. |
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| 23:53.06 | _ranix | cafuego, and additionally, it's an always-on windows CE device, so I have no way of booting a kernel other than a netbsd kernel. The developer's environment for wince2.11 is practically nonexistant too, so there's really no way for me to even code one. |
| 23:53.19 | Optikal__ | The rumors are true, debian users are snobs. =) |
| 23:53.20 | cornSCOlio | i cant for the life of me figure out what pop3 daemon was default for redhat 6.2 |
| 23:53.29 | cornSCOlio | just changed from a redhat machine to debian and was wondering what would be a good way to support pop3 (the default that redhat had if possible (was sendmail and default pop3 daemon from inetd.conf)) |
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| 23:53.43 | thingfish | oh, that's not true at all, Optikal__. We're assholes. |
| 23:53.52 | citral | amen. |
| 23:53.55 | conreyt | cornSCOlio: take a look at http://www.hula-project.org |
| 23:53.59 | bob2 | cornSCOlio: dovecot is pretty good |
| 23:53.59 | wombachi | cornSCOlio try qpopper for pop3 and postfix for smtp by example. 'apt-cache search pop3'? |
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| 23:54.02 | setnf | example: I want write a movie of my act on xterm window. how could i do it ? |
| 23:54.04 | FieldySnuts | he was asking questions about fuckin windows software what the FUCK did he expect? fucking troll |
| 23:54.15 | cornSCOlio | ty |
| 23:54.19 | citral | @calm FieldySnuts |
| 23:54.30 | bob2 | isn't qpopper non-free? |
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| 23:55.08 | FieldySnuts | yep, qpopper license |
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| 23:55.20 | wombachi | bob2 dont think so, it's in main. But I didnt check license |
| 23:55.22 | grumpydog | bob2, he should have got K3b |
| 23:55.23 | citral | bsd license? |
| 23:55.33 | FieldySnuts | grumpydog: he was running windows. game over. |
| 23:55.38 | bob2 | oh, ok |
| 23:55.41 | cornSCOlio | i would like an add on pop3 daemon that is compatible with sendmail |
| 23:55.44 | bob2 | I thought it was qmail |
| 23:55.51 | grumpydog | FieldySnuts, well in that case he should not be here |
| 23:55.55 | FieldySnuts | pop3 != smtp |
| 23:55.55 | bob2 | cornSCOlio: any pop3 daemon is compatible with sendmail |
| 23:55.58 | FieldySnuts | shit just lost power brb |
| 23:56.00 | cornSCOlio | cool |
| 23:56.09 | thingfish | yikes |
| 23:56.13 | bob2 | cornSCOlio: but sendmail is kinda a weird choice |
| 23:56.16 | wombachi | bob2 apt-cache says 'based on latest BSD version' |
| 23:56.17 | conreyt | cornSCOlio: take a look at http://www.hula-project.org |
| 23:56.20 | bob2 | is that reall they RHEL default? |
| 23:56.26 | grumpydog | scoobydoo yikes |
| 23:56.28 | thingfish | it's getting that time of year when there's going to be storms. |
| 23:56.39 | FieldySnuts | it's not that, just a shitty power system here |
| 23:56.41 | cornSCOlio | conreyt will do |
| 23:56.49 | FieldySnuts | but yeah. lots of tornadoes already today in parts of the us |
| 23:56.52 | thingfish | oh, ok, that's better. |
| 23:56.53 | conreyt | cornSCOlio i know that if you looked at that you wouldn't be asking questions :) |
| 23:57.03 | thingfish | well, maybe not, because you have that year-round. |
| 23:57.05 | setnf | example: I want write a movie of my act on xterm window. how could i do it ? |
| 23:57.07 | mh_le__ | do I have to have a usb 2 port to use a use a usb2 device? Or is it backward compatible with usb 1? |
| 23:57.12 | wombachi | bob2 I dont know RHEL defaults. Probably sendmail (?) |
| 23:57.20 | citral | porbably |
| 23:57.32 | conreyt | mh_le__: you've got to be joking right? |
| 23:57.44 | mh_le__ | conreyt: erm.. no.. |
| 23:57.53 | bob2 | mh_le__: backwards compat |
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| 23:57.54 | conreyt | mh_le__: thats your answer |
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| 23:58.00 | CroatianNinja | UNIVERSAL serial bus |
| 23:58.02 | bob2 | setnf: I don't think anyone gets your question |
| 23:58.07 | conreyt | mh_le__: well part it is BC |
| 23:58.08 | mh_le__ | bob2: thanks :) |
| 23:58.17 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:58.23 | wombachi | CroatianNinja I thought it was Unused Serial Bus :p |
| 23:58.35 | CyL | how do I change X configurations on sarge Tried running xf86config but goe nothing |
| 23:58.36 | CroatianNinja | haha |
| 23:58.38 | stew | setnf: "xtv" maybe, but i don't know if that is supported / developed anymore |
| 23:58.38 | thingfish | yes, I keep wondering what "act" he wants to capture. |
| 23:58.45 | bob2 | CyL: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 23:58.47 | setnf | bob2 i just want dump a movie of my action at example xterm window |
| 23:58.48 | mh_le__ | conreyt: well I don't expect transfers to be faster... as long as the device works |
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| 23:58.54 | conreyt | CyL: vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:58.55 | CyL | bob2: thanks |
| 23:59.01 | bob2 | setnf: make a movie of stuff you do in X? |
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| 23:59.07 | bob2 | that's possible, but I dunno how |
| 23:59.11 | setnf | stew xtv... i think yes. |
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| 23:59.17 | FieldySnuts | xvidcap |
| 23:59.21 | setnf | bob2 yeah i know... |
| 23:59.26 | cornSCOlio | conreyt: cool the reason that i want what i had with rh is for a webmail app that i made and dont want to troubleshoot/fix problems at the moment since i just upgraded (sendmail and the rh 6.2 pop3 daemon is what i wrote the app on) |
| 23:59.27 | citral | mh_le__: but, an USB2 cd burner will probably run at very bad speed, and even produce errors, used with usb1 computer |
| 23:59.30 | setnf | FieldySnuts, i gotta a lot of erros with it |
| 23:59.38 | setnf | trying compile |
| 23:59.38 | wombachi | conreyt vi, not even vim ? ugh, you're crasier than me :) |
| 23:59.46 | doublehp | in the current directory, how to get the list of subdirectories ? (I only want first level sub dirs, no file, no attributes ) |
| 23:59.48 | CyL | conreyt: xf86config has created a XF86Config... if guess is I make a symbolic link will also do, right |
| 23:59.55 | mh_le__ | citral: well it's an mp3 player I'm wondering about.. |
| 23:59.56 | conreyt | wombachi: it's a disease |
| 23:59.58 | CyL | sisif |
