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| 00:00.04 | citral | mh_le__: ah, so no problem |
| 00:00.05 | CyL | s/is/if |
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| 00:00.13 | bob2 | doublehp: ls -1 *(/) |
| 00:00.14 | conreyt | Cyl: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 00:00.19 | bob2 | doublehp: in zsh, at least |
| 00:00.26 | FieldySnuts | usb 1 is too slow for writing cd's, you'll lag and it'll time out |
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| 00:00.38 | CyL | conreyt: freshly installed sarge, iso images built this week |
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| 00:00.59 | lakcaj | Hi. If I'm using an external DVD writer, should it be creating a scsi device? dmesg shows, "SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices"... but it is a DVD drive/writer. |
| 00:01.00 | conreyt | and there's no XF86Config-4 in that dir? have you run throught the X install yet? |
| 00:01.05 | doublehp | bob2: no ... thats for a Makefile ... |
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| 00:01.14 | wombachi | usb 1 is really too slow for backups on external usb disk (ex 50Go in 1h is impossible) |
| 00:01.16 | stew | lakcaj: what kernel are you using? |
| 00:01.25 | bob2 | doublehp: it's not generally possible, afaik |
| 00:01.30 | citral | FieldySnuts: it works here, but at speed 4 to 6, and like most of the cds support 8x minimum, it's shitty |
| 00:01.31 | bob2 | doublehp: unless ls has an option for it |
| 00:01.35 | conreyt | CyL: and there's no XF86Config-4 in that dir? have you run throught the X install yet? |
| 00:01.36 | FieldySnuts | usb1 is like 340KB/s or something stupid |
| 00:01.46 | FieldySnuts | maybe less |
| 00:01.53 | doublehp | bob2: I did not find it |
| 00:01.54 | lakcaj | stew, 2.6.11.6 custom compiled, but I was getting the same thing with the stable 2.6 that's in the sarge repos. |
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| 00:02.02 | stew | lakcaj: don't use scsi emulation with 2.6 |
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| 00:02.11 | wombachi | FieldySnuts iirc usb1 12Mbps usb2 400Mbps (bits, not bytes/octets) |
| 00:02.14 | stew | lakcaj: oh, wait |
| 00:02.17 | davix | ok, I've installed a new hardisk, I partitioned it as linux and i updated my /etc/fstab, but when i try to mount it i get mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /home/davix/znt busy... why is that? |
| 00:02.19 | CyL | conreyt: yes, there is XF86Config-4 and XF86Config (wich I believe has been create dby the xf86config script I[ve run)... only want to know if I make a sym link from XF86Config-4 to XF86Config would do the trick |
| 00:02.23 | stew | lakcaj: scsi emulation for usb though, yes |
| 00:02.26 | FieldySnuts | for a usb mass storage device, he still has to |
| 00:02.27 | bob2 | davix: please pick one channel |
| 00:02.28 | lakcaj | stew, I dont' want to, but hal/dbus or whatever it is called is creating /dev/scd0 |
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| 00:02.51 | FieldySnuts | again: |
| 00:02.52 | FieldySnuts | for a usb mass storage device, he still has to |
| 00:02.56 | davix | bob2, i enjoy having help from both :) |
| 00:02.59 | bobesponja | I've just compiled kernel 2.6.11.6 and I get an error with unable to mount vfs and root, i think it's because I don't have /boot/initrd.img with 2.6.11, how can I fix that? |
| 00:03.00 | lakcaj | stew, ok, so it has to be scsi if it is usb? Just confirming. |
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| 00:03.06 | citral | yes |
| 00:03.08 | conreyt | why do a sim link do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and dump the non-4 file |
| 00:03.10 | bob2 | davix: yes, but it's higly annoying and rude |
| 00:03.24 | davix | bob2, sorry if i offended you. |
| 00:03.28 | lakcaj | ok, thanks. |
| 00:03.34 | bobesponja | anyone? |
| 00:03.39 | conreyt | !all |
| 00:03.40 | dpkg | well, all is fair in love and war |
| 00:03.56 | CyL | conreyt: dpkg -reconfigure is a better script |
| 00:04.10 | wombachi | bobesponja compile with make-kpkg, edit lilo.conf, and dpkg -i yourkernel.deb |
| 00:04.15 | conreyt | Cyl: um ok |
| 00:04.20 | CyL | conreyt: doesn't sarge com with xorg? |
| 00:04.31 | CyL | s/com/come |
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| 00:04.47 | wombachi | bobesponja ex 'add 'initrd=/initrd.img' in the image section of lilo.conf |
| 00:04.53 | bobesponja | wombachi: I use grub and I did make-kpkg |
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| 00:05.09 | lakcaj | I'm having shit luck with both growisofs and cdrecord-prodvd.... I've even resorted to trying nerolinux, but it doesn't want to find my external burner. |
| 00:05.12 | conreyt | Cyl: nope |
| 00:05.13 | baloo | Johnny Cochran is dead. |
| 00:05.13 | wombachi | bobesponja sorry, I dont use grub. |
| 00:05.18 | conreyt | Cyl: nope nor sid |
| 00:05.24 | peterS | baloo: yeah, just saw that |
| 00:05.28 | CyL | conreyt: okay, thanks buddy |
| 00:05.40 | baloo | I just saw it on the CBC |
| 00:05.41 | lakcaj | Is one of dvd+r or dvd-r more supported under linux? I'm using dvd+r and am _sick_ of burning coasters. |
| 00:05.43 | CyL | conreyt: i'll stay with sarge for a while... |
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| 00:05.54 | CroatianNinja | baloo, if only they would have reinsterted his feeding tube! |
| 00:05.57 | conreyt | Cyl: it's rock solid |
| 00:06.05 | evil_core | hi |
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| 00:06.22 | CroatianNinja | hi |
| 00:06.40 | baloo | CroatianNinja: I really wish they'd let her die already. Forcing someone to live on life support for 16 years when they can't do anything about it is barbaric. |
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| 00:07.07 | peterS | baloo: there's some indication that she wants to die, then? |
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| 00:07.20 | CroatianNinja | baloo, i totally agree but i was just jokingly applying it to johnny cochran |
| 00:07.27 | baloo | CroatianNinja: True that. |
| 00:07.35 | wombachi | lakcaj man cdrecord: 'formating only supported for DVD+RW' |
| 00:07.39 | CroatianNinja | but anyways back to debian talk |
| 00:07.50 | peterS | I thought the whole issue was that there *wasn't* any indication that she wanted to die. the case would have been simple if there had been |
| 00:08.02 | bobesponja | anyone? |
| 00:08.14 | dexter__ | Is it possible to re-download and install a program? |
| 00:08.18 | bob2 | bobesponja: you built it wrong |
| 00:08.19 | dexter__ | with apt-get that is :p |
| 00:08.22 | bob2 | bobesponja: use a Debian kernel |
| 00:08.22 | baloo | peterS: No, however, it's just bad medical practice to keep a patient lingering around on life support when they will never recover. |
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| 00:08.36 | bob2 | bobesponja: or rebuild it with your IDE/SCSI driver and root filesystem driver IN the kernel |
| 00:08.40 | bob2 | not as modules |
| 00:08.55 | doublehp | bob2: does `ls -l | egrep "^d" | cut -d ":" -f2 | cut -c 4-` give something good on your box ? (it does on mine, I need prooftesting ) |
| 00:08.58 | peterS | baloo: in a sense none of us will ever recover. we're as alive as we'll ever be, until we die |
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| 00:09.48 | baloo | peterS: True, but you and I are also not in the predicament of being so close to dead the only thing keeping you alive is intensive care. |
| 00:09.59 | peterS | baloo: also true |
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| 00:10.35 | lakcaj | wombachi, hrmmm.... well, I'm not using DVD RW media at all, just DVD R. Also, is that the stock cdrecord? AFAIK, it isn't capable of burning to DVD (properly) at all, and I have to use either growisofs or cdrecord-prodvd... both of which are giving me ~50% coasters. |
| 00:10.36 | bob2 | doublehp: hah, I wasn't game to suggest that sort of thing |
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| 00:10.40 | CroatianNinja | peterS, the lady has been dead for a long time, she has a flat line EEG. Most of her brain has been replaced with spinal fluid. |
| 00:10.45 | baloo | There needs to be a "Please resuccitate, but pull plug after brain has been idle for more than n days" |
| 00:11.01 | peterS | baloo: you're drawing an arbitrary line, all the same. lots of people would die without some sort of modern medicine administered for the rest of their lives. but very few people would argue that they don't deserve to live |
| 00:11.08 | FieldySnuts | can we please not turn this into a politics discussion? |
| 00:11.14 | pipeline | baloo: Most people leave a year or two -- who wants to be wrong about that? :P |
| 00:11.17 | bob2 | doublehp: "diff <(ls -l | egrep "^d" | cut -d ":" -f2 | cut -c 4-) <(ls -1d *(/))" returns 0, so looks good |
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| 00:11.26 | wombachi | lakcaj sorry, no personal experience yet. but man cdrecord contain refs to dvd[+-] |
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| 00:11.35 | dexter__ | What is this? ignore dexter__ day? |
| 00:11.37 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: too late I guess |
| 00:11.38 | peterS | Guerin_: umm, it's *from* current events |
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| 00:11.40 | baloo | pipeline: Yeah, exactly. That's my point, set the margin yourself. |
| 00:11.44 | FieldySnuts | dexter__: if you're annoying enough, certainly |
| 00:11.47 | Guerin | peterS: I missed the first bit :) |
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| 00:11.52 | nvz | baloo: this really inst the place for this debate |
| 00:11.56 | dexter__ | FieldySnuts: Did i annoy you? :P |
| 00:11.57 | lakcaj | wombachi, I appreciate the help, but I'm very sure that the cdrecord that's available in the debian repos is useless for burning full DVDs. |
| 00:12.00 | FieldySnuts | anyway can you guys please take the current events/politics stuff somewhere else, perhaps #debian-offtopic ? |
| 00:12.03 | FieldySnuts | dexter__: not yet |
| 00:12.04 | Guerin | much as I'd love to get into this argument |
| 00:12.06 | dexter__ | So how do i ask a question without annoying anyone? |
| 00:12.06 | peterS | Guerin: johnny cochran is dead -> joke about him and a feeding tube -> this discussion |
| 00:12.18 | Guerin | peterS: right. |
| 00:12.28 | doublehp | bob2: any way, I found 1 box where it does not work. |
| 00:12.31 | dvs | dexter__: Ask it in one paragraph and don't repeat it often |
| 00:12.42 | dexter__ | dvs: I've asked it |
| 00:12.59 | dexter__ | But i mean. Everyone seem to ignore me today. |
| 00:13.01 | FieldySnuts | people aren't likey to scroll up, kind of have to find a balance |
| 00:13.08 | FieldySnuts | but if you're gonna whine, people definately won't care |
| 00:13.08 | Servo888 | How do I see the verbose information (where the deb file is putting all the files) from apt-get? |
| 00:13.09 | dvs | dexter__: apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
| 00:13.22 | wombachi | bob2 dont know what you want to do but 'ls -l.. 4-' perhaps is not what you want (there is no ':' in dates on old files, say 2003) |
| 00:13.22 | doublehp | bob2: ls: *(/): No such file or directory # on bash |
| 00:13.24 | bob2 | doublehp: yeah? non-gnu ls? |
| 00:13.31 | dexter__ | FieldySnuts: I don't whine? I just asked if everyone ignored me today |
| 00:13.33 | bob2 | doublehp: right, it's a zsh-ism |
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| 00:13.43 | bob2 | doublehp: I was just doing that to make sure they have the same output |
| 00:13.46 | FieldySnuts | heh ok, have fun |
| 00:13.47 | nostrand | dvs: does that download a new package? |
| 00:13.48 | mrhemlock | Servo888, apt-get --print-uri |
| 00:13.51 | bob2 | wombachi: oh, good point |
| 00:14.01 | bob2 | wombachi: (doublehp was using it) |
| 00:14.02 | dvs | nostrand: no, that reinstalls an existing package |
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| 00:14.53 | wombachi | bob2 what are you trying to do? |
| 00:15.03 | nostrand | dvs: ok, but how do you make apt to get the package again and then reinstall? |
| 00:15.22 | dvs | nostrand: What I said before |
| 00:15.28 | bob2 | wombachi: doublehp is trying to get a list of dirs without using zsh |
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| 00:15.57 | mikael | Hi could anyone help me in routing |
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| 00:16.22 | bucky | !annoy FieldySnuts |
| 00:16.23 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 00:16.24 | baloo | karsten crashed my kopete |
| 00:16.34 | Guerin | !blame karsten |
| 00:16.47 | peterS | haha. poor baloo |
| 00:16.49 | FieldySnuts | i'd suspect 1) user error 2) it's a kde app first |
| 00:16.57 | wombachi | bob2 try ls -l | awk '/^d/ {print $9}' by example |
| 00:17.00 | nostrand | dvs: hmm, i have corrupt packages i believe, but when i do like that the package doesn't get downloaded again, it just tries to reconfigure or something |
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| 00:17.13 | Guerin | nope, I blame karsten |
| 00:17.14 | peterS | FieldySnuts: note, he sort of left us. which reinforces your 2 ideas |
| 00:17.18 | wombachi | bob2 or "find . -type d -maxdepth 1" |
| 00:17.33 | bob2 | wombachi: oh, score |
| 00:17.35 | dvs | nostrand: Then it should be apt-get -f install |
| 00:17.36 | bob2 | doublehp: ^^ |
| 00:17.42 | peterS | echo */ .*/ |
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| 00:17.45 | peterS | works in most shells |
| 00:17.47 | nostrand | dvs: ok, I'll try that |
| 00:18.15 | cafuego | I'm having trouble recompiling apache2 for DSo support |
| 00:18.26 | bob2 | cafuego: baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 00:18.33 | nostrand | dvs: nope, it doesn't get downloaded again |
| 00:18.34 | peterS | cafuego: dso as in dynamic shared object? debian apache supports those |
| 00:19.02 | cafuego | peterS: the package description doesn't mention it and you're just some guy on irc. Believing what people on the net tell you is bad. |
| 00:19.04 | wombachi | peterS nice, I didnt knew that 'add /' trick, thanks :) |
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| 00:19.12 | peterS | cafuego: oh, point |
| 00:19.21 | doublehp | bob2: Debian SID :) |
| 00:19.22 | gravity | bob2: Are all the tla commands still functional in baz? |
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| 00:19.43 | bob2 | gravity: hm |
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| 00:19.50 | bob2 | gravity: some are gone |
| 00:19.56 | gravity | bob2: Ok |
| 00:19.57 | bob2 | gravity: most have changed a bit to be more consistent |
| 00:20.05 | doublehp | bob2: forget it ... I will list by hand, and let a note saying that it is not automated ... |
| 00:20.09 | bob2 | gravity: so "in practice, probably the same" |
| 00:20.14 | bob2 | doublehp: eh? read what wombachi said. |
| 00:20.17 | gravity | bob2: Yeah, but I keep running in to little problems with baz... |
| 00:20.26 | bob2 | doublehp: find . -type d -maxdepth 1 |
| 00:20.28 | wombachi | bob2 last one: "ls -d */" |
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| 00:20.35 | bob2 | doublehp: that should even work on old crappy unixes |
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| 00:21.01 | bob2 | wombachi: oh, I did n't know globs did that |
| 00:21.03 | bob2 | even easier |
| 00:21.36 | mikael | I want computer1 to connect to the internet through computer2 (without using NAT), is it possible ? |
| 00:21.38 | wombachi | bob2 I learn that trick a few seconds ago :) |
| 00:21.49 | FieldySnuts | nope |
| 00:21.53 | miyo | ls --color and look for the blue ones? *grin* |
| 00:21.56 | zinx | mikael: do you have two IP addresses allocated to you? |
| 00:21.57 | doublehp | bob2: will all UNIx also return '.' as first result ? |
| 00:21.59 | dvs | mikael: If computer2 is debian, sure |
| 00:22.02 | peterS | mikael: sure, if you have multiple IP addresses available from your ISP |
| 00:22.09 | mikael | dvs lol, both are |
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| 00:22.31 | mikael | peterS I'm on a private LAN |
| 00:22.41 | FieldySnuts | pulling teeth time |
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| 00:22.51 | peterS | mikael: then certainly it can be done. you'll have to read up on routing tables, though |
| 00:22.59 | zinx | and you'll have to have two IP addresses. |
| 00:23.04 | omnistegan | where is the apache configuration file by default in debain? I can't find it |
| 00:23.08 | mikael | peterS I wanted to use route add but it not working as I thought |
| 00:23.10 | FieldySnuts | what zinx said is the crucial part |
| 00:23.14 | zinx | yes |
| 00:23.15 | peterS | zinx: since he's on a private LAN, IP addresses shouldn't be hard to come by (: |
| 00:23.20 | dvs | omnistegan: apache or apache2? |
| 00:23.25 | omnistegan | apache2 |
| 00:23.25 | miyo | omnistegan: /etc/apache* |
| 00:23.27 | FieldySnuts | peterS: he does NOT want to use NAT. |
| 00:23.34 | zinx | peterS: there's no telling what he means by "private LAN" |
| 00:23.38 | peterS | FieldySnuts: his whole LAN is on private addresses |
| 00:23.41 | bob2 | doublehp: hm...i don't know if it's guaranteed...I'd run it all through "sort" if you need a consistent order |
| 00:23.46 | wombachi | omnistegan locate httpd.conf |
| 00:23.46 | peterS | that's what I get from this, anyway |
| 00:23.48 | omnistegan | /etc/apache2/httpd.conf only has a few lines |
| 00:23.49 | dvs | omnistegan: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 00:23.55 | dvs | !wayttd omnistegan |
| 00:23.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, omnistegan? |
| 00:23.56 | mikael | FieldySnuts yes without nat is it possible ? |
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| 00:24.02 | vortek` | Hello |
| 00:24.09 | FieldySnuts | if you have two external ips, yes. if you don't, not without NAT. |
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| 00:24.11 | bucky | omnistegan, /etc/apache2/apache.conf |
| 00:24.14 | bucky | try ls |
| 00:24.17 | doublehp | bob2: no ... I need NOT to have ./ ... otherwise I turn into infinite recursivity |
| 00:24.17 | zinx | mikael: if you have enough IP addresses, it's just a matter of making the box you want to go through the gateway |
| 00:24.24 | vortek` | Any one ever heard of a network defice called sit0 ? |
| 00:24.25 | omnistegan | change default index.html for index.php |
| 00:24.40 | zinx | mikael: which you can configure in /etc/network/interfaces, on the box behind it. |
| 00:25.08 | zinx | mikael: if you do not have enough IP addresses, then you can't do it without NAT. |
| 00:25.14 | bob2 | doublehp: what are you doing there? |
| 00:25.15 | wombachi | doublehp what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 00:25.22 | FieldySnuts | *external* ip addresses, make it clear to him |
| 00:25.25 | bob2 | doublehp: automating the list of dirs to recursively make into? |
| 00:25.26 | mikael | zinx : nope, computer 1 has one nic, computer2 two nics both on 2 different networks |
| 00:25.28 | dvs | omnistegan: in /etc/apache2/apache2, find "DirectoryIndex" and put index.php first. |
| 00:25.41 | dvs | s/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 00:25.46 | zinx | mikael: you need two externally visible IPs |
| 00:25.53 | doublehp | bob2: yes ... recursive MAkefiles |
| 00:25.53 | mikael | zinx : ah ok |
| 00:26.07 | zinx | mikael: you must use NAT otherwise |
| 00:26.28 | mikael | zinx or install an IGP on my private lan |
| 00:26.45 | FieldySnuts | what's an igp? |
| 00:26.59 | bucky | !annoy FieldySnuts |
| 00:27.00 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 00:27.03 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 00:27.04 | omnistegan | how do i restart apache 2 in debian? |
| 00:27.05 | zinx | probably something far worse than NAT could ever be |
| 00:27.13 | FieldySnuts | sounds like a windowsism |
| 00:27.17 | mikael | FieldySnuts interior gateway protocol : rip, eigrp, igrp, ospf |
| 00:27.20 | dvs | omnistegan: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 00:27.27 | bucky | omnistegan, apache2ctl restart |
| 00:27.35 | FieldySnuts | i don't see what that would accomplish |
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| 00:27.38 | zinx | ehm, me either |
| 00:27.53 | FieldySnuts | making it too complex. what it comes down to is: if you have two external ips, you can do it, if you don't, you can't. |
| 00:27.54 | zinx | it certainly won't get you internet connectivity without two routable IPs :/ |
| 00:27.57 | mikael | FieldySnuts make one of my computer act as a router |
| 00:27.59 | ricochet | how would I iterate over lines in a file with a bash script? |
| 00:28.05 | FieldySnuts | you don't need any of that to be a router |
| 00:28.07 | zinx | mikael: wtf's your problem with NAT, anyway? |
| 00:28.12 | mikael | FieldySnuts lol ok |
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| 00:28.24 | FieldySnuts | @lart bucky |
| 00:28.31 | FieldySnuts | that's a new one |
| 00:28.33 | Starfire | ... |
| 00:28.36 | Starfire | hey |
| 00:28.41 | mikael | zinx lol nothing wrong with nat, I have not enabled it into my kernel |
| 00:28.43 | FieldySnuts | birds mooing? what's next? |
| 00:28.44 | cafuego | 'apache2ctl graceful' actually. |
| 00:28.48 | wombachi | doublehp why not something like this: |
| 00:28.50 | Starfire | hello? |
| 00:28.54 | FieldySnuts | hi? |
| 00:28.55 | wombachi | doublehp find . -type d -maxdepth 1 | awk -F/ '/\// {print $2}' | sort |
| 00:29.00 | zinx | mikael: time for a recompile. you're not going to get two computers speaking from one IP without it. |
| 00:29.07 | mikael | zinx I wanted to see if it was possible to do without it, as a kind of exercise |
| 00:29.09 | Starfire | i kinda need some help |
| 00:29.15 | FieldySnuts | he never told us if he had more than one external ip heh |
| 00:29.17 | _ranix | what with |
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| 00:29.25 | zinx | mikael: sure. but not with the restrictions you have :P~ |
| 00:29.30 | Starfire | getting debian sarge to recognize my cd/dvd-r drive |
| 00:29.40 | bucky | omnistegan, invoke-rc.d apache2 [start | stop | restart | graceful] |
| 00:29.40 | mikael | zinx : :) |
| 00:29.52 | _ranix | Starfire, what exactly is it doing and what have you tried |
| 00:29.53 | karsten | bucky: Yeah, yeah. |
| 00:29.55 | wombachi | doublehp you just have to choose between many solutions given |
| 00:29.55 | zinx | FieldySnuts: i'm just assuming. that's ok, because he didn't answer it. if he gets wrong information, he should have answered the very first f'n question asked :P |
| 00:30.01 | karsten | slugbug: You who I think you are/A |
| 00:30.16 | mikael | btw does anyone of you have met compilation error with kernel-source-2.6.11 ??? |
| 00:30.19 | miyo | ricochet: for line in $(cat FILE); do ...; done |
| 00:30.27 | Starfire | _ranix: it worked fine, and then i changed something when it asked me too, and now it says CD ROM 1 under "computer" |
| 00:30.27 | lakcaj | Starfire, is it internal or external (IDE vs USB)? |
| 00:30.31 | mikael | ldexter: drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/built-in.o: No such file: |
| 00:30.34 | doublehp | wombachi: I just want one working one :) and your last is fine |
| 00:30.36 | karsten | slugbug: Hrm. I don't think you are. |
| 00:30.42 | Starfire | lakcaj internal, im on a laptop |
| 00:30.47 | bucky | omnistegan, next question.. why doesn't my php work ? |
| 00:30.53 | _ranix | Starfire, take a trip into the terminal window and toss up a fdisk -l for me |
| 00:31.02 | FieldySnuts | bucky: can you give us more information? such as errors? |
| 00:31.03 | slugbug | eh? what? |
| 00:31.08 | slugbug | who do you think I am? |
| 00:31.10 | ricochet | miyo, I tried that, but its splitting it up based on whitespace and not newlines |
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| 00:31.16 | lakcaj | Starfire, you're fairly new to linux? |
| 00:31.16 | karsten | slugbug: Not paul. |
| 00:31.18 | _ranix | Starfire, as suid root |
| 00:31.20 | dvs | bucky: chech /etc/apache2/mods-enabled for php4.conf and php4.load |
| 00:31.23 | miyo | ricochet: true... |
| 00:31.23 | slugbug | karsten: yeah, my name's Paul |
| 00:31.24 | Starfire | yes i am |
| 00:31.24 | karsten | slugbug: I know someone else who uses that nick. |
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| 00:31.31 | bucky | and then the classic "why doesn't mysql work with my php?" |
| 00:31.39 | wombachi | doublehp quoting is hell, but alias is your friend. Try this: |
| 00:31.43 | Starfire | ok i did fdisk -1 |
| 00:31.48 | _ranix | as root? |
| 00:31.50 | wombachi | alias lsd="find . -type d -maxdepth 1 | awk -F/ '/\// {print \$2}' | sort" |
| 00:31.51 | Starfire | yes |
| 00:31.51 | FieldySnuts | again, we need more info "why doesn't" with no further info means we have no idea what's wrong |
| 00:31.56 | slugbug | karsten: do they use it on Freenode? |
| 00:32.00 | wombachi | doublehp then 'lsd' is your solution :) |
| 00:32.01 | _ranix | what do you see |
| 00:32.17 | Starfire | invalid option -- 1 lol |
| 00:32.20 | karsten | slugbug: Not sure. But they're female. |
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| 00:32.24 | slugbug | ah, heh |
| 00:32.24 | doublehp | wombachi: not sure what lsd is .... URL ? |
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| 00:32.32 | mikael | ok thank you everybody, have a nice day/night |
| 00:32.37 | _ranix | Starfire, that is bizarre |
| 00:32.41 | miyo | ricochet: What is it that you actually want to do? |
| 00:32.43 | _ranix | ... |
| 00:32.56 | wombachi | doublehp just a name for an alias (here LiSt Directories). |
| 00:32.57 | doublehp | mikael: going to be white night :) |
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| 00:33.04 | Starfire | _ranix, like i said, it worked fine, and then it asked me to like merge two somthings together so i decided why not, and it hasnt worked since |
| 00:33.18 | ricochet | miyo, I want to do what you assumed, have $line be the whole line |
| 00:33.19 | wombachi | doublehp once alias is defined, you just type 'lsd' (or whatever alias name you choose for your command) |
| 00:33.20 | mikael | doublehp : hehe you got many interesting things to do ? |
| 00:33.35 | enigmus | in which file should I set environment variables? |
| 00:33.38 | mikael | wombachi LSD ??? |
| 00:33.41 | Starfire | _ranix when i try to open "CD-ROM 1" it says " unable to mount the selected volume" |
| 00:33.48 | bucky | linux standard directory |
| 00:33.48 | enigmus | (system wide) |
| 00:33.59 | mikael | oh ok lol |
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| 00:34.02 | _ranix | Starfire, have you installed any new hardware recently? Specifically IDE devices? |
| 00:34.05 | Starfire | _ranix and under show more details it says "mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist" |
| 00:34.11 | Starfire | _ranix nope |
| 00:34.11 | wombachi | mikael ok, perhaps the name is badly choosen. But it's so easy to become a bash addict :) |
| 00:34.12 | doublehp | mikael: it is 2:30 AM, and have to finish my project for 7AM ... otherwise my company wont get paid .... about 15000€ depends on me tonight |
| 00:34.33 | _ranix | Starfire, as root, do mkdir /media/cdrom0 |
| 00:34.34 | miyo | ricochet: Use Perl :P |
| 00:34.41 | miyo | ricochet: perl -e 'open FILE, "/etc/group"; foreach ( <FILE> ) { print }' |
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| 00:34.48 | bucky | mikael, read netfilter.org and call us back when you're of legal drinking age |
| 00:34.49 | mikael | wombachi yes he was saying he's gonna have a white night and you talk to him about lsd |
| 00:35.10 | _ranix | Starfire, then try mounting the volume again |
| 00:35.15 | wombachi | mikael I'm such a .... :) |
| 00:35.17 | ricochet | miyo: arrg. |
| 00:35.19 | mikael | doublehp wow |
| 00:35.36 | Starfire | _ranix, now it says unable to mount the volume, there is probably no media in the device. let me try a CD!! |
| 00:35.40 | wombachi | mikael but I'm in same timezone as him. Bed time (few hours ago) |
| 00:35.45 | _ranix | Starfire, haha ok |
| 00:35.58 | mikael | bucky I think I'm old enough to drink |
| 00:36.16 | Starfire | yay! thank you _ranix! you fixed it!! =D |
| 00:36.17 | mikael | wombachi I'm in the same time zone as you guys |
| 00:36.22 | bucky | i'm drink enough to think |
| 00:36.37 | _ranix | Starfire, no problem! You should spend a few minutes to learn how mounting works in linux |
| 00:36.44 | ariel | Starfire: you should edit /etc/fstab file and create the folder /media/cdrom0 for example and it will be used as mount point of your cdrom device |
| 00:37.24 | _ranix | Starfire, you can mount any device to any empty directory with the mount command. |
| 00:37.30 | miyo | ricochet: There are ways to get around... but again it depends what you are trying to do. |
| 00:37.54 | _ranix | Starfire, any storage device, anyway. Meaning hard drives, cd roms, flash cards, usb things, disk drives, all that |
| 00:38.05 | Starfire | _ranix, the reason i wanted it to work is im gonna need to play a DVD on a plane tomorrow. any good apps for playing DVD's? fullscreen is a + |
| 00:38.10 | mikael | doublehp what your problem is about ? |
| 00:38.19 | doublehp | wombachi: sorry ... but how to reject hidden dirs ? |
| 00:38.43 | doublehp | mikael: now ... it is writing and maxing work a neural network within 4h30 |
| 00:38.54 | _ranix | Starfire, my distro came with a decent dvd player, but right now I'm running on a freebsd livecd, so I'm not sure what it's called off the top of my head |
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| 00:39.16 | Starfire | right now i have totem movie player... |
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| 00:39.23 | lakcaj | Starfire, ogle |
| 00:39.25 | Starfire | mabye apt-cache search DVD? |
| 00:39.32 | _ranix | Starfire, I hear LDVD9to5 is good |
| 00:39.33 | mikael | doublehp a neural network ??? then I can't help |
| 00:39.40 | Starfire | hmm |
| 00:39.53 | miyo | ricochet: for line in $(cat /etc/passwd | sed 's/ /%%%/g'); do echo $line | sed 's/%%%/ /'; done |
| 00:40.02 | miyo | ricochet: quick, dirty and ugly =) |
| 00:40.33 | puter | how do i reconfigure my x windows stuff.. i want to change the refresh rate for my monitor |
| 00:40.36 | lakcaj | Starfire, ogle for a dedicated DVD player... just put the DVD in the drive, open a terminal, and type ogle. |
| 00:40.42 | dvs | !drxx puter |
| 00:40.43 | dpkg | puter: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 00:40.47 | wombachi | doublehp add ' -a \! -regex ^\.' as find arguments by ex |
| 00:40.55 | Starfire | lakcaj alright thanks =D |
| 00:40.56 | wombachi | doublehp with alias, it gives: |
| 00:40.56 | ariel | puter: xf86config |
| 00:40.57 | puter | thaniks |
| 00:40.58 | Dossy | hey, any NJ/NY'ers here want to hang out tonight? odd , I know -- just looking for people who want to get a bite to eat or something |
| 00:41.04 | Starfire | thanks everybody!! see you later |
| 00:41.06 | wombachi | alias lsd="find . -type d -maxdepth 1 -a \! -regex ^\\. | awk -F/ '/\// {print \$2}' | sort" |
| 00:41.10 | Dossy | talk linux/OSS over overpriced coffee, or whatnot |
| 00:41.12 | _ranix | lakcaj, wow what the hefck is ogle |
| 00:41.17 | _ranix | heck^ |
| 00:41.17 | cureless | Dossy: I'm hungry but not in NY |
| 00:41.25 | Dossy | cureless: guh, that doesn't help :-) |
| 00:41.30 | caphuso | "print -l *(D/)" is so much nicer |
| 00:41.33 | mikael | good luck then |
| 00:41.35 | mikael | Ciao |
| 00:41.37 | wombachi | doublehp and yes, quoting is hell :p |
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| 00:41.57 | cureless | Dossy: maybe you can find the #channel for a local lug and ask there. |
| 00:41.59 | lakcaj | _ranix, actually, it is a very well known dvd app for linux, which is one of the few that supports menus and all the bells and whistles very well. I don't actually use it, but it is dead simple to use. |
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| 00:42.17 | lakcaj | I just use mplayer or vlc myself, but that is a personal preference... some others really like xine. |
| 00:42.33 | _ranix | lakcaj, well, thanks. I didn't even know about it |
| 00:42.36 | lakcaj | np |
| 00:42.37 | enigmus | what should I do to change my $PATH system-wide? I tried setting it in /etc/profile, without success |
| 00:42.45 | ryan- | i use ogle for DVD |
| 00:42.58 | ryan- | it is good |
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| 00:42.59 | Dossy | cureless: that's an idea. |
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| 00:43.14 | ryan- | it needs a deinterlacer tho |
| 00:43.32 | lakcaj | ryan-, yeah... its nice. I always have it for a backup, since it is dedicated for DVDs, sometimes it seems to be the only app that wants to play a particular DVD. |
| 00:43.34 | miyo | enigmus: What did you change? How did you test it? What shell are you running? |
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| 00:43.57 | ryan- | mmm |
| 00:44.00 | wombachi | doublehp GNU make can use wildcards in Makefiles : src = $(wildcard $(dir)/*.c) Perhaps this can help too |
| 00:44.08 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: rms? |
| 00:44.09 | ravenbird | well, rms is Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs. or one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" or Richard M. Stallman, Raving Militant Sycophant!;; ... |
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| 00:44.23 | enigmus | bash, in /etc/profile: PATH=$PATH:/whatever; export PATH; and in a new login shell, echo $PATH |
| 00:44.26 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: rms is also Root Mean Square |
| 00:44.27 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: okay |
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| 00:44.56 | miyo | enigmus: What do you actually mean by "new login shell2 |
| 00:44.58 | doublehp | wombachi: this looks better: find . -type d -maxdepth 1 | awk -F/ '/\// {print $2}' | egrep -v '^\.' |
| 00:45.06 | miyo | s/shell2/shell\"/ |
| 00:45.17 | enigmus | miyo: for example, logout and login back |
| 00:45.17 | lakcaj | ryan-, if you want to "backup" dvds from full DVDs to a single layer DVD/R disk, so far the best solution I have found it dvdshrink with wine, create an iso, and then burn it with k3b/nautilus/gnomebaker/etc. |
| 00:45.46 | sean_micken | how to change the GTK1 theme font? |
| 00:45.46 | BrianAnthony | can you eject with umount? |
| 00:45.52 | FieldySnuts | nope |
| 00:45.58 | wombachi | doublehp yet. it's like Perl moto: "There Is More Than One Way to Do It" |
| 00:46.00 | enigmus | sean_micken: gtk-theme-switch |
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| 00:46.18 | sean_micken | enigmus, is there a global GTK1 conf file? |
| 00:46.20 | Chris``` | what would i need to do to beable to access my files on my box from my windows pc ? |
| 00:46.44 | BrianAnthony | how would you eject a cd from the command line? |
| 00:46.46 | omnistegan | hey, I'm trying to get my website running again and I get this error: "cannot load mysql extension, please check PHP Configuration" any suggestions? |
| 00:46.46 | enigmus | sean_micken: probably .gtkrc |
| 00:46.52 | mh_le__ | does anyone here know the jens of sweden mp400? |
| 00:46.52 | lakcaj | BrianAnthony, eject /media/cdrom |
| 00:46.53 | CharlesBrown | BrianAnthony, With the eject command? |
| 00:46.56 | ariel | sean_micken: gtk-theme-switch |
| 00:47.06 | lakcaj | BrianAnthony, or whatever the path is to the device you want to eject. |
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| 00:47.16 | CyL | Hi, I'm having trouble mapping my keyboard in X.. tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but got nothing..... |
| 00:47.18 | wombachi | BrianAnthony 'eject' or 'eject /cdrom' |
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| 00:47.44 | doublehp | wombachi: find . -type d -maxdepth 1 -a \! -regex ^\\. | awk -F/ '/\// {print \$2}' | sort # let the hidden files go through ... my previous past works better |
| 00:47.59 | z36ra | Chris: www.samba.org |
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| 00:48.16 | wombachi | Chris```: smbclient by example |
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| 00:48.25 | miyo | enigmus: Maybe you overwrite PATH somewhere? .bashrc? .bash_profile? |
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| 00:48.28 | wombachi | Chris```: or smbmount (better) |
| 00:48.41 | chealer | omnistegan: which packages did you install? |
| 00:49.04 | omnistegan | chealer, which ones should i have |
| 00:49.29 | chealer | omnistegan: I was only thinking of php4-mysql |
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| 00:49.34 | Chris``` | thats cool thanks |
| 00:49.38 | Chris``` | what about means of ftp ? |
| 00:49.54 | FieldySnuts | are you asking about an ftp client? |
| 00:49.57 | mne | Hi :) How can I add an Include-Path to the debian system ? I want to add /opt/Ice-1.5.1/include to the systems include pathes ? Is this possible without linking all contents to something like /usr/include ? |
| 00:49.59 | Chris``` | server |
| 00:50.01 | miyo | CyL: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 00:50.04 | wombachi | doublehp I'm confident you'll find exactly what you need. Good luck. |
| 00:50.06 | lakcaj | Chris```, use ssh instead of ftp. |
| 00:50.07 | ricochet | miyo, thanks that works for now |
| 00:50.07 | FieldySnuts | there's a few, i prefer proftpd myself |
| 00:50.19 | z36ra | ssh is tooslow for lan |
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| 00:50.24 | Chris``` | can i retireve files from my box through ssh ? |
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| 00:50.25 | FieldySnuts | since when? |
| 00:50.32 | sean_micken | ariel, do i have to restart X for it to apply the changes? |
| 00:50.35 | doublehp | wombachi: thx for help |
| 00:50.42 | FieldySnuts | if you use shitty hardware yea it's slow |
| 00:50.42 | mne | Chris```, vsftpd is fast and with security in mind ... They even use it at kernel.org |
| 00:50.48 | wombachi | doublehp you welcome |
| 00:51.18 | enigmus | miyo: I checked both |
| 00:51.20 | lakcaj | z36ra, well, I just used scp to copy 2.9 gigs of data in about 6 minutes from one machine to another, not 15 minutes ago. |
| 00:51.21 | mne | Chris```, you can also use ssh with scp or sftp |
| 00:51.29 | miyo | ricochet: If %%% are not enough use %%%%%%, or any other chars you like and know to be safe. |
| 00:51.32 | z36ra | shoot! try transfering a dvd with ssh compaired to ftp |
| 00:51.43 | fflush | I am trying to access a share on a windows Xp machine, if access with smbcient it works just fine, If a try accessing it mounting with smbmount, it mounts fine but when I try to list the content I get access denied, even though I am logged as root |
| 00:51.51 | ariel | sean_micken: yes, but tell me why do you need to do it, have you got fonts of xmms, amule, xine, for example, too small? |
| 00:51.52 | miyo | enigmus: /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
| 00:51.57 | z36ra | of course not many people do that. |
| 00:52.05 | lakcaj | z36ra, well, you seem to know better than I do, but I wouldn't say that ssh it "too slow for lan" ;) |
| 00:52.11 | Chris``` | oh and also |
| 00:52.11 | Chris``` | can anyon ehelp .. when doing tar xzfv blah.tar.gz i am getting > gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error and gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--length error |
| 00:52.20 | enigmus | miyo: this one too |
| 00:52.25 | sean_micken | ariel, too big actually. |
| 00:52.31 | sean_micken | ariel, but yeah.. xmms. |
| 00:52.40 | doublehp | RichiH: I think few ppl will ever use %%%###;;;\/\/\/&&& what is the list of all comment tags I know |
| 00:52.50 | CyL | I'm having trouble configuring my keyboard in X... tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it did nothing.. anybody has any clue? |
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| 00:53.01 | miyo | enigmus: bash --login, then echo $PATH |
| 00:53.15 | ariel | sean_micken: try this first apt-get install xfonts-75dpi-transcoded xfonts-100dpi-transcoded |
| 00:53.16 | z36ra | lakcaj: point taken. for everyday use imsure it's fine. I guess my thought is that the security on a lan is not neccessary. |
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| 00:53.29 | Starfire | crap guys im back |
| 00:53.34 | z36ra | secur |
| 00:53.34 | wombachi | Chris tar xzv -f file.tgz (f option need file param). vf not fv |
| 00:53.37 | z36ra | oops |
| 00:53.42 | Chris``` | i see |
| 00:53.42 | dvs | Cyl: Did you edit XF86Config-4 by hand? |
| 00:53.44 | chealer | CyL: if you hand-edited XF86Config-4, dpkg-reconfigure won't work |
| 00:53.51 | z36ra | security of that magnitudeany |
| 00:53.54 | z36ra | way |
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| 00:54.11 | Chris``` | wombachi i am still gettin the same error |
| 00:54.18 | lakcaj | z36ra, sure... I just like that all I have to do is run an openssh server, and I don't have to worry about exporting directories or any configuration that it involved with ftp, it "just works" (tm). :) |
| 00:54.22 | z36ra | <trying toget used tothis laptop... sorry if it seems I dont makesence> |
| 00:54.23 | sean_micken | ariel, those fonts are? |
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| 00:54.35 | Starfire | when i go to install anything i get this error "Errors were encountered while processing: gnunet" E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg return an error code (-1) |
| 00:54.36 | enigmus | miyo: you were right, it was overwritten, by my .profile... |
| 00:54.37 | CyL | dvs, chealer I did not edited it by hand... the script in fact runs... but after restarting the compuer, the mapping remains the same.... |
| 00:54.44 | Chris``` | 192:/home/chris# tar xzvf yale-tftpd-3.0.tar.gz |
| 00:54.50 | z36ra | lakcaj: good point. |
| 00:54.51 | ariel | sean_micken: yes, and when you're done you need to restart X |
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| 00:54.58 | miyo | enigmus: =) |
| 00:54.58 | enigmus | miyo: thanks. there are so many possible files... |
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| 00:55.04 | wombachi | chris probably corrupted file. Try downloading again |
| 00:55.14 | Chris``` | i get it with every rar i have tried |
| 00:55.15 | chealer | CyL: you don't need to restart the computer |
| 00:55.18 | Chris``` | i will try a few more |
| 00:55.28 | mne | where are all include paths specified (like /usr/local/include, /usr/include, ...) ? |
| 00:55.32 | sean_micken | brb |
| 00:55.36 | miyo | CyL: You are running GNOME or KDE? |
| 00:55.48 | z36ra | <damn "space" key keeps missing my punch.> |
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| 00:56.04 | CyL | chealer: maybe ctrl+alt+bckspace would do the trick... but how do I remap the keyboard |
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| 00:56.09 | StrongTAG | i have a bunch of machines I need to install x-ttcidfont-conf on, but I don't want it ask questions, I want it to use the xtt backend, is there a mechanism to make this happen? |
| 00:56.15 | CyL | miyo: gnome by now... |
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| 00:56.27 | chealer | CyL: are you sure this isn't a DE issue? |
| 00:56.37 | z36ra | I found this laptop in the garbage. no HD but runs Knoppix great! |
| 00:56.39 | chealer | Ctrl Alt Backspace is a brute way. that's your DM? |
| 00:56.40 | michal_d | dondelelcaro: I may be in REALLY deep shit with that machine I was trying to upgrade :/ Seems I may not be able to log into it |
| 00:56.44 | miyo | CyL: gnome-control-center -> desktop preferences -> keyboard |
| 00:56.51 | wombachi | CyL dpkg-reconf.. wont update the config if you modified file manually. Check zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz (search 'md5') |
| 00:56.52 | chealer | CyL: I mean, you must use gdm? |
| 00:56.57 | sean_micken | ariel, k, they're installed.. now what? |
| 00:57.09 | Chris``` | sweet it worked :D |
| 00:57.17 | Starfire | help? |
| 00:57.39 | CyL | chealer: sorry, what do you mean by DE or DM? |
| 00:57.59 | chealer | CyL: DE=Desktop Environment : gnome or KDE |
| 00:58.09 | CyL | chealer: gnome |
| 00:58.13 | chealer | DM, display manager, do you know about gdm, kdm or xdm? |
| 00:58.31 | ariel | sean_micken: if you did it via apt your problem sould be fixed now |
| 00:58.38 | Starfire | whats the difference between a display manager and a desktop envirnoment |
| 00:58.39 | chealer | CyL: make sure you have the problem not only in gnome or try miyo's advice |
| 00:58.43 | sean_micken | ariel, i did.. fonts are still big in XMMS. |
| 00:58.54 | sean_micken | ariel, maybe i need to restat XFS then restart X? |
| 00:59.37 | CyL | chealer: ps says I'm running gdm |
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| 01:00.08 | Starfire | can anybody help... this should be the last question i have for a while x.x | when i go to install anything i get this error "Errors were encountered while processing: gnunet" E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg return an error code (-1) |
| 01:00.18 | chealer | CyL: cool, so your dm is gdm and you can restart X with /etc/init.d/gdm restart which is much better than Ctrl Alt Backspace |
| 01:00.18 | ariel | sean_micken: first take a look to another application that make use of gtk, as xine, in order to see if the problem comes from xmms specially or gtk |
| 01:00.36 | peterS | Starfire: there was an error earlier. scroll up to find it. |
| 01:00.57 | Starfire | peterS i just joined, i havnt been here for a while >_< sorry |
| 01:00.58 | peterS | Starfire: while gnunet was being installed, its prerm or postrm or preinst or postinst script returned an error code. |
| 01:01.11 | peterS | Starfire: I mean scroll up in your apt-get terminal |
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| 01:01.24 | Starfire | peterS; oh |
| 01:01.30 | CyL | chealer: that is fine... ctrl+alt+bckspace just seemd too rude to the system ;) |
| 01:01.34 | Starfire | peterS; well... it happens when i install ANYTHING... |
| 01:01.46 | Starfire | peterS; i changed my mirror for http downloading and everything |
| 01:01.54 | Starfire | peterS; still happens =| |
| 01:01.55 | peterS | Starfire: ok, try 'apt-get -f install' and see what the error is *then* |
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| 01:02.15 | Starfire | peterS; still happens =| |
| 01:02.33 | peterS | Starfire: 'apt-get -f install' with no package name specified - it should attempt to fix the thing with gnunet |
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| 01:02.42 | peterS | Starfire: in doing so it should provide more hints than just the final line you pasted |
| 01:02.44 | Led_Zeppelin | i have 2 servers. 192.168.0.111 and 192.168.0.3: 192.168.0.3 can ping 192.168.0.111 but .111 can't ping .103 |
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| 01:02.48 | Led_Zeppelin | any reason why? |
| 01:02.56 | nvz | I see you've made it back to #debian. Most people just switch to gentoo or something and talk shit on us for the rest of their lives |
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| 01:03.32 | Em | 774 people... is debian really doing that bad ? :x |
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| 01:03.38 | peterS | @wb h |
| 01:03.41 | ravenbird | Welcome back h, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 01:03.48 | thingfish | hey Em!! |
| 01:03.53 | Em | thingfishy :D |
| 01:03.58 | thingfish | :) |
| 01:04.01 | chealer | em: #gentoo has more |
| 01:04.02 | Starfire | creating new GNUnet user.... blah blah... error encountered while processing... gnunet... dpkg error ( - - configure) ... |
| 01:04.11 | Em | chealer, i could name distributions with less... |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | Em: what makes you think we're doing bad? |
| 01:04.18 | thingfish | Em: warning, it's the Wild West in here. |
| 01:04.24 | michal_d | umm.. don't suppose i could ask anyone to hack into 202.184.248.82.. it's a slink box halfway through upgrading to a potato box and seems that maybe authentication has broken on it |
| 01:04.25 | Em | abrotman, that's kinda my point, dear... |
| 01:04.33 | peterS | Starfire: the first 'blah blah' should have contained another error message that would pinpoint which script is failing |
| 01:04.36 | abrotman | Em: but you said it ... |
| 01:04.38 | Em | thingfish, i had had enough of the dogs for one evening |
| 01:04.46 | Starfire | peterS; eee yikes im sorry |
| 01:04.49 | Em | abrotman, it was verbal irony. catch up. |
| 01:04.55 | thingfish | Em is totally cool, fellow debianites. |
| 01:04.56 | abrotman | Em: i'm slow .. long day |
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| 01:05.07 | Em | abrotman, awww i'm sorry. |
| 01:05.11 | chealer | abrotman: not a 24 hours one again? :) |
| 01:05.17 | Em | thingfish, can i call them "debianians" ? |
| 01:05.24 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:05.24 | Guerin | ites |
| 01:05.30 | Starfire | peterS; um the full line is : "Creating new GNUnet user M0pOfD00madduser: Please enter a username consisting of a lower case letter followed by lower case letters and numbers. Use the `--force-badname' option to allow underscores, and uppercase." |
| 01:05.31 | Guerin | like mennonites |
| 01:05.35 | thingfish | yes |
| 01:05.39 | Em | guerin... another joke |
| 01:05.43 | abrotman | chealer: SQL is getting complex .. i learned about coalesce the other day :) |
| 01:05.57 | Guerin | Em: really? Amazing, I never knew there was so much joking in this channel |
| 01:06.08 | Em | guerin there is since i got here :x |
| 01:06.10 | abrotman | Guerin: remember .. we banned joking after i tried |
| 01:06.13 | peterS | Starfire: oh, a bug in the gnunet postinst, probably. edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnunet.postinst to change "adduser" to "adduser --force-badname" |
| 01:06.15 | thingfish | yes, usually it's nothing but venom and invective. |
| 01:06.16 | Guerin | abrotman: only for you |
| 01:06.20 | abrotman | oh shit |
| 01:06.20 | peterS | Starfire: then do the apt-get -f install again |
| 01:06.22 | abrotman | i suck |
| 01:06.25 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:06.36 | Em | thingfish, these monsieurs need some more humor :x |
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| 01:06.42 | thingfish | hehe Em |
| 01:06.51 | chealer | abrotman: not in my dictionnary...I've written under 20 SQL statements |
| 01:06.54 | peterS | is Em related to Eminem? |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | Em: wait til the brits show up |
| 01:06.57 | thingfish | you've only just popped in, Em, wait around a while. |
| 01:07.03 | Em | peterS, not in the slightest |
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| 01:07.09 | Em | i love the brits. |
| 01:07.09 | michal_d | are there any security holes in slink/potato that would have allowed me to get root access via rlogin/rsh/rexec/ssh/lpd/etc ?? |
| 01:07.11 | abrotman | chealer: postgresql.org has it in thier docs .. i guess it's SQL92 language |
| 01:07.25 | thingfish | peterS: I hope so, I SO want to meet eminem! |
| 01:07.28 | Pepina | michal_ potato ? |
| 01:07.32 | abrotman | carrot! |
| 01:07.34 | peterS | Em: ah, ok |
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| 01:07.41 | michal_d | pepina: well it's halfway between slink and potato |
| 01:07.44 | Em | peterS, sorry to disappoint you. :x |
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| 01:08.13 | xuser | Hi, anyone know a tool for monitoring bandwidth? |
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| 01:08.21 | abrotman | mrtg .. among others |
| 01:08.27 | wombachi | xuser mrtg, ntop |
| 01:08.31 | thingfish | iftop, but maybe that's not what you're looking for |
| 01:08.31 | _joey | I have a 5-port switch with 6 sockets , labelled as 1x ... 4x, x and _. Connecting 3 devices, adsl modem in bridge mode, linux router and winodws system. The order in whcih I connect these systems in switch matters? |
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| 01:08.35 | Starfire | peterS; where in the gnunet.postinst can i find the add user thing lol cause its like a 45 mile long script |
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| 01:08.51 | EvilSporkMan | _joey: the x is probably for a crossover cable |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | _joey: switch or router? |
| 01:08.58 | michal_d | nobody here is willing to help out? |
| 01:08.58 | _joey | I thought so |
| 01:09.04 | _joey | abrotman switch |
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| 01:09.12 | cafuego | wtf? |
| 01:09.15 | _joey | it behaves funny |
| 01:09.15 | abrotman | _joey: could be what they used to call "uplink" |
| 01:09.18 | xuser | abrotman: wombachi thingfish Ok, thanks. |
| 01:09.20 | cafuego | My irssi just split itself in two! |
| 01:09.21 | Nula | In linux when I copy files to/from a samba file server while at the same time streaming video from the server , the video starts to chop and lag. It seems as though 100% of the network bandwidth is dedicated to the transfer. Is there some way to make the network load balance more intelligent like windows so once transfer doesn't hog all the bandwidth? |
| 01:09.30 | drbombay43 | #unbuntu |
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| 01:09.35 | abrotman | no n |
| 01:09.38 | Guerin | cafuego: it's replicating! |
| 01:09.39 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 01:09.39 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 01:09.43 | peterS | Starfire: most editors have search functions. I have no idea where it will be. I don't have gnunet installed. I'm just basing this off the error message you pasted |
| 01:09.49 | thingfish | hehe #unbuntu, the channel for former ubuntu users. |
| 01:09.58 | Starfire | peterS; oh |
| 01:10.01 | Em | why would anybody ever stop using ubuntu ? :D |
| 01:10.03 | cafuego | Guerin: it's very odd, looks like it's a $EDITOR window |
| 01:10.05 | Starfire | peterS; well i think i found it lol |
| 01:10.11 | Guerin | Em: why would anyone start? |
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| 01:10.16 | _joey | I can't ping anything from windows box and can't ping win box from linux but I can ping win system from adsl modem no matter which Order I connect these systems in a switch |
| 01:10.18 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: it looks cool? |
| 01:10.19 | Starfire | peterS; iff its not the right one i get catastrophic system failier.... no biggie |
| 01:10.23 | Em | guerin cause it's the best thing... EVER ? |
| 01:10.31 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: because THAT's a good reason to choose an os |
| 01:10.31 | thingfish | Em: aack |
| 01:10.35 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: you have a point |
| 01:10.38 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: hey, it's why I run Linux =P |
| 01:10.39 | peterS | Starfire: --force-badname should be harmless if the script is otherwise behaving itself |
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| 01:10.44 | ezhdeha | nula: have your mounted the samba server or just done the old smb://server/file.avi ? |
| 01:10.49 | cafuego | How odd. |
| 01:10.53 | drbombay43 | is there's a channel for unbuntu? |
| 01:11.00 | Nula | ezhdeha, I do smb:// style |
| 01:11.04 | cafuego | drbombay43: You didn;'t even check, did you? |
| 01:11.05 | thingfish | if you make it, they will come. |
| 01:11.06 | Nula | what difference does that make? |
| 01:11.06 | ezhdeha | try mounting it |
| 01:11.10 | ezhdeha | much better results |
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| 01:11.17 | Em | thingfish, if you make it somebody'll hate it :x |
| 01:11.18 | romulo | whats the module of MIDI for alsa? |
| 01:11.23 | drbombay43 | yes |
| 01:11.29 | Pepina | drbombay43 #ubuntu |
| 01:11.30 | thingfish | Em: lots of people, at that. |
| 01:11.33 | ezhdeha | nula: i couldn't say for sure, but i know it works a lot better on my home network |
| 01:11.35 | drbombay43 | I'm at there home page |
| 01:11.35 | Kerr | when i try to view php files on my webserver firefox attempts to download the file instead. How can i fix that? |
| 01:11.45 | Starfire | when i run apt-get -f install everything seems to work fine. i get an ending message of "writing new config. file [done] <br> all done. <br> stopping gnunetd: gnunetd." |
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| 01:11.46 | Guerin | Kerr: fix your server |
| 01:11.47 | Em | thingfish, nah, my haters are a precious tiny minority |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | Em: take some of mine |
| 01:12.01 | ariel | Nula: you better use NFS instead at least you're working with micro$oft too on your network |
| 01:12.01 | thingfish | thank goodness! |
| 01:12.08 | sean_micken | ariel, well, i got the font the way i like it but i just had to move .gtkrc to .gtkrc.mine (i think cause i'm using GNOME). |
| 01:12.11 | peterS | Starfire: it should then start gnunetd again, I think |
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| 01:12.14 | drbombay43 | Pepina: thank you |
| 01:12.15 | Em | Kerr, the PHP is probably being sent as the wrong MIME type (and not being parsed) |
| 01:12.15 | sean_micken | ariel, what were those fonts you had me install? |
| 01:12.19 | chealer | Kerr: restart your browser, your server after installing libapache[2]-mod-php4 usually |
| 01:12.20 | ezhdeha | kerr: make sure mod-php is loaded |
| 01:12.22 | Starfire | peterS: trying to install a program now.... *crosses her fingers* |
| 01:12.23 | abrotman | especially the gnaa spammer |
| 01:12.29 | Nula | ariel, I don't like NFS as it doesn't have authentication integrated like samba |
| 01:12.42 | Em | whoa i was gonna tell somebody to get the RPM. **shushes** |
| 01:12.44 | Nula | ariel, this network is strictly linux.. I don't use windows anmore |
| 01:12.45 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nfs? |
| 01:12.45 | ravenbird | [nfs] Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or http://www.j-mulders.demon.nl/unix/nis-rpc/doc/rpc/nfs-v2-protocol-specification.html for some gory details.. No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask ... |
| 01:12.49 | thingfish | Emmy! |
| 01:12.53 | ezhdeha | nula: boo hoo hoo, samba authentication? who cares ? :) |
| 01:12.53 | Em | thingfish, i knoooooooooooow |
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| 01:13.12 | Em | thingfish, at least i didn't say "socialism owns" |
| 01:13.14 | ariel | Nula: If you work with static ip you needn't |
| 01:13.16 | Nula | I just had hoped that samba and browsing the shares had caught up to windows file sharing |
| 01:13.18 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:13.21 | abrotman | Kerr: check the apache conf .. make sure it does the AddType |
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| 01:13.32 | FieldySnuts | as if thats' anything to aim for |
| 01:13.46 | ezhdeha | nula: try mounting it |
| 01:13.55 | Starfire | peterS: it worked! i just dont know if vlc is supposed to show up in my applications menu for my gnome gui or not |
| 01:13.59 | ariel | sean_micken they are dpi fonts |
| 01:14.15 | peterS | Starfire: hey, I have no idea. but apt-get itself is now happy? that's the main thing I was concerned about |
| 01:14.17 | thingfish | I must cook a chicken soon... |
| 01:14.23 | ezhdeha | nula: smbmount \\server\share -o username=<user>,password=<password> /home/nula/mnt/server/share |
| 01:14.24 | Nula | ezhdeha, that will probably fix the problem.. but I was hoping that I wouldn' have to manually resort to a terminal and mount shares everytime I turn on my computer |
| 01:14.24 | Em | Starfire, you might find it in Sound and Video after you log in next time :x |
| 01:14.28 | Chris``` | erm how cani stop/restart vsftpd ? |
| 01:14.31 | ezhdeha | i think that's right |
| 01:14.33 | ariel | sean_micken: and they are very usefull |
| 01:14.37 | ezhdeha | well, get LinNeighbourhood instead |
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| 01:14.43 | Starfire | peterS: yes its working great now. thank you so much! |
| 01:14.46 | peterS | np |
| 01:14.47 | thingfish | Em: in Debian, it's called Multimedia. |
| 01:14.50 | Guerin | Chris```: invoke-rc.d |
| 01:14.52 | Starfire | em: your right it might need to be rebooted |
| 01:14.55 | ezhdeha | use that for samba browsing, you can right click on a share and mount it automatically |
| 01:14.56 | Em | thingfish, gragh ! not cool ! |
| 01:15.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:15.05 | Em | thingfish, i thought it was a gnome thing =;.;= |
| 01:15.06 | Nula | thanks.. I will give it a try for sure |
| 01:15.13 | peterS | Starfire: interesting that the gnunet breakage doesn't appear in the bug tracking system. it's the sort of thing I would have expected to happen to everyone who installs it |
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| 01:15.16 | Nula | I think I used that before in it's infancy |
| 01:15.16 | michal_d | pipeline: you said that a sun qfe was expensive |
| 01:15.21 | peterS | Starfire: unless you got to pick your own username for gnunet to use......? |
| 01:15.27 | sean_micken | ariel, dpi fonts... what are they used in? did it just give me a wider font selection? cleaner fonts? what? |
| 01:15.29 | thingfish | Em: it's gotten to the point to where I cant' give advice in #fedora anymore. |
| 01:15.41 | ezhdeha | nula: it's ok - i like it coz me flatmates constantly rename their shares |
| 01:15.44 | pipeline | michal_d: They are. |
| 01:15.46 | thingfish | Em: because they're just different enough... |
| 01:15.51 | Em | thingfish, i can understand... i think "media" would be better (or multimedia) than sound and video |
| 01:16.05 | thingfish | yeah, that wouldn't be bad at all |
| 01:16.06 | Chris``` | Guerin i cant get it to work |
| 01:16.15 | Guerin | Chris```: why not? |
| 01:16.23 | michal_d | pipeline: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5762746041&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT |
| 01:16.25 | Chris``` | invoke-rc.d: syntax error: missing required parameter |
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| 01:16.26 | Starfire | peterS: no... it assigned one for me |
| 01:16.36 | Em | thingfish, if i get new computers, i'm installing many different things on them all. anyways, i guess i'll go back to #fedora :x |
| 01:16.40 | cafuego | Chris```: /etc/init.d/vsftpd |
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| 01:16.52 | michal_d | pipeline: and you can just about halve that for USD |
| 01:16.53 | Chris``` | no suck file/directory |
| 01:16.53 | abrotman | michal_d: that's not expensive? |
| 01:16.56 | peterS | Starfire: the username it assigned is not normally considered legal. thus I'm surprised it hasn't failed for everyone else in the world as well. that's why I wonder why there isn't a bug reported about it already |
| 01:16.56 | thingfish | Em: ok, hon. Give 'em hell. |
| 01:17.01 | Chris``` | such* |
| 01:17.07 | Em | thanks =^-^= |
| 01:17.10 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 01:17.23 | michal_d | abrotman: no. it's CHEAP. |
| 01:17.30 | abrotman | you mean people actually help in #fedora? |
| 01:17.35 | Em | abrotman, i do at least. |
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| 01:17.41 | abrotman | Em: you lie! |
| 01:17.44 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: troll :) |
| 01:17.48 | Em | abrotman, come ask me a fedora question |
| 01:17.50 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:17.52 | FieldySnuts | we love our fedora brothern. |
| 01:17.53 | FieldySnuts | to eat. |
| 01:17.56 | abrotman | last time i was in #fedora .. was for #fedora-legacy stuff |
| 01:17.56 | Em | omg. |
| 01:17.57 | michal_d | abrotman: about half the price of the nearest competitor which is VASTLY inferior |
| 01:17.59 | Em | don't eat me :D |
| 01:18.00 | FieldySnuts | kidding hehe |
| 01:18.02 | Starfire | peterS, interesting... should i 'hack' it and assign a new one? |
| 01:18.03 | thingfish | yes, with barbecue sauce! |
| 01:18.09 | FieldySnuts | ow |
| 01:18.12 | abrotman | michal_d: 140$AU is cheap ? |
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| 01:18.16 | FieldySnuts | @eat Em |
| 01:18.17 | ariel | sean_micken: they enhance your fonts resolution |
| 01:18.24 | Em | owwwww |
| 01:18.25 | peterS | Starfire: nah, it should work fine as-is. I'm investigating the package now, to satisfy my own curiosity |
| 01:18.25 | cafuego | abrotman: Not for an ice cream. |
| 01:18.27 | michal_d | abrotman: well in practice it's about $70US |
| 01:18.34 | thingfish | Em: this channel has bots; they're fun. |
| 01:18.41 | abrotman | michal_d: why not just buy 4 $20 nics? |
| 01:18.43 | FieldySnuts | darn what was the one that eats somebody's liver with some fava beans and a nice chiante |
| 01:18.46 | Em | thingfish, i want a bot. :x |
| 01:18.50 | thingfish | dpkg, ravenbird, and apt. |
| 01:18.51 | cafuego | abrotman: Coz $20 nics suck. |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | !listvals fava |
| 01:18.58 | thingfish | !beer Em |
| 01:18.59 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fava' by value (1): CMD: clarice (.*?). |
| 01:19.02 | Starfire | peterS, coolies |
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| 01:19.04 | abrotman | !clarice FieldySnuts |
| 01:19.07 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:19.09 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 01:19.11 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:19.12 | Em | i don't drink beer... :x |
| 01:19.12 | peterS | Starfire: ah, hmmm. on my box gnunet popped up a dialog box asking for a username for gnunet to use |
| 01:19.13 | Starfire | peterS, now all i gotta do is get it to play the damned dvd lol |
| 01:19.20 | cafuego | !mock Em |
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| 01:19.26 | Em | i do eat cheese. |
| 01:19.26 | abrotman | Em: yuengling is good .. it's local to me :) |
| 01:19.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:19.30 | FieldySnuts | @blaireau Em |
| 01:19.31 | Em | this is why i'm fat. :x |
| 01:19.31 | ravenbird | Em: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 01:19.31 | cafuego | !drug Em |
| 01:19.36 | michal_d | abrotman: because a 4 port pci riser would be pretty expensive and take up a lot more room.. and a $20 network card would be useful as a frisbee. not even rtl8139c is that cheap here |
| 01:19.38 | FieldySnuts | oh geez |
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| 01:19.40 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 01:19.43 | thingfish | oh now she'll LIKE that |
| 01:19.43 | Em | did i just get badgered in French ?? |
| 01:19.44 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fix Em |
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| 01:19.47 | abrotman | michal_d: ok .. if you say so |
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| 01:19.59 | cafuego | !das Em |
| 01:20.00 | dpkg | dasdasdasdasdasdaspaddestoelpaddestoeldasdasdasdasdasdasslaaaaaaangoooheeenslaaaaaaang! |
| 01:20.00 | baloo | Em hacks BSD, dpkg? |
| 01:20.05 | peterS | Em: yes, yes you did. anyway, I completely agree with the cheese but no beer diet |
| 01:20.06 | Em | you guys spayed me... :x |
| 01:20.18 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart Em |
| 01:20.20 | FieldySnuts | oh yeah me too. |
| 01:20.25 | cafuego | True, wine goes much better with (most) cheeses. |
| 01:20.36 | Em | cheese = good. |
| 01:20.36 | thingfish | see Em, isn't it fun in here? |
| 01:20.43 | abrotman | Em: are you from WI? |
| 01:20.45 | michal_d | abrotman: oh and you think you can easily fit 4 pci cards into 1 pci slot? :P |
| 01:20.50 | Supaplex | if I submitted a bug report, is there any way to have my email address changed/removed from the postings? I usualy use a junk mail address to post, because I get countless worm attachments. I accidently used a email address I use often. ;/ |
| 01:20.51 | Em | thingfish, it isssss ! why did you say debian is the worst community EVER ? |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | michal_d: trash compactor! |
| 01:21.04 | Em | abrotman, no |
| 01:21.09 | thingfish | well, because we are, we're all assholes. |
| 01:21.10 | cafuego | Em: Coz the moment you aksa debian related question we will FLAME you to buggery. |
| 01:21.16 | michal_d | abrotman: any idea how much a trash compactor costs? |
| 01:21.18 | peterS | abrotman: well, em's hostmask is savannah |
| 01:21.32 | Em | cafuego, ummm... how do i install xfstt ? :x |
| 01:21.37 | daffy-pkf | i thing i messed up with my config, eth0 is not configured at startup anymore, can someone help? i twatche interfaces man but i don't know what i should modify |
| 01:21.37 | Em | peterS, it's true |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | Em: good . some day i'm going to come to #fedora and ask you savannah questions |
| 01:21.47 | FieldySnuts | @fist SCO |
| 01:21.48 | Em | abrotman, like what pray tell ? |
| 01:21.54 | cafuego | Em: Fuck off, why do you think you neex xfstt? |
| 01:21.57 | daffy-pkf | i thing i messed up with my config, eth0 is not configured at startup anymore, can someone help? i twatche interfaces man but i don't know what i should modifys/twatche/watched |
| 01:22.01 | abrotman | Em: would i be able to find a job there .. and is it a decent place to live? |
| 01:22.01 | daffy-pkf | arf |
| 01:22.02 | baloo | One of these years, I'm going to try to get repealing daylight savings time on the Oregon ballot... |
| 01:22.02 | Em | cafuego, good job there. |
| 01:22.02 | michal_d | abrotman: he.. for $20 you can get an ne2000 network card :P |
| 01:22.04 | daffy-pkf | sorry |
| 01:22.07 | peterS | hehe |
| 01:22.10 | abrotman | Em: how's that? :) |
| 01:22.14 | Em | abrotman, doubt you'd find a job. wonderful place. |
| 01:22.23 | zignig | daffy-pkf: look at /etc/network/interfaces and make sure it has "auto eth0" in there. |
| 01:22.36 | abrotman | Em: bummer .. i'd like to visit . badly .. but i also think i want to move south .. but jobs seem hard to come by |
| 01:22.50 | Guerin | ok, it always did my head in that savannah is on the coast, and atlanta is inland |
| 01:22.57 | Em | abrotman, if you want a tech job, of course it is. but i hate the south. sav is the only exception. |
| 01:23.00 | zignig | abrotman: easy become an arms/drug dealer , growth industry. |
| 01:23.00 | Guerin | what were those crazy people thinking? |
| 01:23.06 | michal_d | only sparcs support SBUS cards right? |
| 01:23.29 | abrotman | Em: uhm .. yeah .. tech job would be nice :) .. |
| 01:23.31 | peterS | michal_d: right |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | zignig: i don't like jail |
| 01:23.37 | Em | abrotman, if i knew of one i'd have it. |
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| 01:23.43 | vitriol | i'm getting error messages when running apt-get "trying to overwrite /usr/lib/libecore.so.1.0.0, which is also in package libecore1 |
| 01:23.47 | ezhdeha | don't romanticise tech jobs too much |
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| 01:23.57 | vitriol | but if i try to do 'apg-get remove libecore1' i can't get apt to run without erroring out |
| 01:23.57 | ezhdeha | you can end up hating computers |
| 01:24.07 | vitriol | because of *that* error message |
| 01:24.08 | Guerin | vitriol: what package are you installing, and from what source? |
| 01:24.09 | thingfish | tech jobs can be extremely high stress, too. |
| 01:24.09 | abrotman | Em: hrm .. well . if i ever make plans to visit .. i'm gonna come ask questions |
| 01:24.17 | thingfish | and stress is VERY bad for you. |
| 01:24.18 | abrotman | thingfish: i have one now |
| 01:24.25 | thingfish | see |
| 01:24.26 | zignig | abrotman: hmmm , fair enough. ;) |
| 01:24.28 | Em | abrotman, come right ahead. :x |
| 01:24.32 | vitriol | Guerin: i'm install enlightenment libs from the soulmachine.net E package repo |
| 01:24.33 | michal_d | is SBUS hot pluggable? |
| 01:24.34 | ezhdeha | the hours can be murder |
| 01:24.41 | abrotman | Em: but i need to decide if i'm going to move first :) |
| 01:24.43 | daffy-pkf | zignig> it wasn't, i add it, no ifup -a says Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0, i use pppoeconf to set up my internet connection, shouldn't it take care of eth0? |
| 01:24.45 | Guerin | vitriol: man dpkg, look at --force-help |
| 01:24.46 | peterS | michal_d: don't know, but I doubt it |
| 01:24.54 | vitriol | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 01:24.55 | Em | abrotman, hmm. you would have to visit then. |
| 01:25.01 | michal_d | who cares about stress and hours as long as you're recompensated |
| 01:25.04 | Guerin | vitriol: this is what you get for using 3rd-party repos :) |
| 01:25.17 | abrotman | Em: nah . i'd just move .. wouldn't be the first time :) |
| 01:25.20 | Guerin | michal_d: hahaha |
| 01:25.22 | zignig | daffy-pkf: nope , that will be in /etc/ppp/ , you need a file in there, I forget what its called. Anyone ? |
| 01:25.31 | peterS | daffy-pkf: ppp doesn't configure its interfaces in recent unstable versions |
| 01:25.32 | Em | abrotman, do you live in a van ? |
| 01:25.49 | ezhdeha | who cares about money if your stressed and have no time 2 enjoy it ? |
| 01:25.50 | peterS | daffy-pkf: to work around that you should say 'auto eth0' in /etc/network/interfaces, I believe |
| 01:25.53 | michal_d | Guerin: what's so funny? it's absolutely true |
| 01:25.56 | thingfish | michal_d: stress causes physical damage to your heart. What is proper compensation for that kind of thing? |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | Em: no .. i kind of was homeless in college :) |
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| 01:26.18 | Em | poor abrotman |
| 01:26.20 | abrotman | Em: my parents decided they didn't like each other right after i started .. and both ran to other states :) |
| 01:26.24 | Guerin | michal_d: it's just that in 99% of cases, any given person won't be totally satisfied with the compensation they get |
| 01:26.25 | peterS | daffy-pkf: don't bother complaining that this is stupid behavior, some people already did and the maintainer gave them the middle finger, as it were (: |
| 01:26.26 | thingfish | yikes |
| 01:26.27 | cafuego | thingfish: alcohol |
| 01:26.45 | thingfish | hehe you might have a point, there, cafuego. |
| 01:26.50 | daffy-pkf | peterS> i just added it: ifup -a |
| 01:26.50 | daffy-pkf | Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. |
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| 01:27.02 | thingfish | hehehe |
| 01:27.05 | buu | Krystal: The man page knows. |
| 01:27.08 | buu | er |
| 01:27.13 | cafuego | Too bad the merlot gave me a migraine last night |
| 01:27.38 | Em | gragh. be back later. |
| 01:27.40 | thingfish | oh man, red wine will DEFINITELY give you a hangover, more than whites... |
| 01:27.48 | thingfish | or at least it can. |
| 01:27.52 | ricochet | how would I go about deleting the oldest 10 files in a directory? |
| 01:27.55 | thingfish | later, Em. |
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| 01:28.07 | peterS | daffy-pkf: I think you might need another line like 'iface eth0 inet manual' |
| 01:28.24 | Guerin | ricochet: ls -l, awk, rm and xargs |
| 01:28.35 | ricochet | thanks |
| 01:28.36 | caphuso | ricochet: oldest in what way? |
| 01:28.37 | cafuego | buu: You never did explain what 'GNAA' is. |
| 01:28.42 | peterS | daffy-pkf: I forget the details but they should be in /usr/share/doc/ppp/README.Debian.gz or NEWS.Debian.gz or similar |
| 01:28.43 | reduz | Hi! i was trying out r3 installer, but i cant get past the first hardware, it dies detecting ide-cd |
| 01:28.44 | abrotman | thingfish: you were a fedorian? |
| 01:28.45 | wombachi | RichiH with care :) try is your friend |
| 01:28.49 | reduz | Is there any way to go through this? |
| 01:28.51 | ricochet | caphuso, oldest as in modified date |
| 01:28.58 | Chris``` | damn it |
| 01:28.59 | Chris``` | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/vsftpd not found. |
| 01:28.59 | buu | cafuego: You don't know? |
| 01:29.01 | wombachi | s/try/find/ too late |
| 01:29.02 | thingfish | abrotman: yes I was, until about 4 months ago. |
| 01:29.04 | buu | cafuego: Google. |
| 01:29.05 | abrotman | reduz: try the other kernel |
| 01:29.08 | cafuego | buu: I have absolutely no idea. |
| 01:29.10 | daffy-pkf | peterS> ok thanks |
| 01:29.14 | abrotman | thingfish: do you feel cleansed? |
| 01:29.14 | ysothoth | heh |
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| 01:29.29 | cafuego | Chris```: dpkg -L vsftpd - check for init scripts. |
| 01:29.29 | thingfish | abrotman: oh man, you can't believe. Debian is the best. |
| 01:29.42 | peterS | thingfish and em are both refugees from fedora? |
| 01:29.49 | buu | "01:01 < sidmanly> !ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT |
| 01:29.49 | abrotman | peterS: em is not .. she went back |
| 01:29.51 | Chris``` | Package `vsftpd' is not installed. |
| 01:29.52 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.54 | peterS | abrotman: ah, ok |
| 01:29.55 | buu | er |
| 01:29.55 | thingfish | peterS: no, Em is still running fedora. |
| 01:29.56 | buu | Stupid two line paste |
| 01:30.00 | abrotman | buu: what are you doing? |
| 01:30.03 | Starfire | peterS: i get an error when i try to play a dvd from totem >_< |
| 01:30.07 | buu | abrotman: Showing cafuego . |
| 01:30.08 | peterS | buu: I was gonna say. I know you aren't a spammer (: |
| 01:30.20 | buu | peterS: Thanks =/ |
| 01:30.26 | vitriol | Guerin: yes, i am being smited, surely :) |
| 01:30.35 | buu | peterS: Now fix ratpoison |
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| 01:30.38 | peterS | Starfire: what error? totem plays DVDs for me but I think I had to install a third-party libdvdcss package of some form |
| 01:30.44 | peterS | buu: no |
| 01:30.49 | caphuso | buu: lucky you... |
| 01:30.50 | cafuego | buu: Oh I see. I'm more into GAMP myself. |
| 01:31.02 | ricochet | Guerin, what command would put the date/time from ls -l into a format that I could use > < compares... |
| 01:31.02 | Starfire | peterS: i installed libdvdplay0.... gonna try ogle |
| 01:31.25 | cafuego | Chris```: Hint: you're not going to be able to start vsftpd until you install it. |
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| 01:31.42 | Guerin | why compare? just sort them, cut the last 10 out and delete the filename |
| 01:31.46 | caphuso | buu: i nearly kicked you out, but saw the "Stupid two line paste" line just in time ;-) |
| 01:31.47 | Chris``` | its started |
| 01:31.54 | buu | caphuso: =[ |
| 01:31.55 | cafuego | ricochet: 'man ls' -> sort it by creation date, pipe it into 'tail' (man tail) to get the bottom few entries. |
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| 01:32.11 | Chris``` | see when i try login from my pc i get |
| 01:32.16 | reduz | abrotman: How do I choose another kernel? |
| 01:32.18 | Starfire | peterS: encrypted dvd support unavailable |
| 01:32.21 | Chris``` | [R] 500 OOPS: vsftpd: both local and anonymous access disabled! |
| 01:32.22 | Chris``` | :P |
| 01:32.24 | thingfish | well, time to apply substantial heat and various flavorings to a dead chicken carcass and call it a meal. |
| 01:32.26 | abrotman | reduz: did you read the install guide? |
| 01:32.26 | reduz | abrotman: ah nevermind I think I know what you mean |
| 01:32.28 | Starfire | peterS: need encryption support |
| 01:32.29 | debian | caphuso: someone just put that words in your name yesterday (iirc) |
| 01:32.32 | abrotman | reduz: the linux26 option? |
| 01:32.33 | cafuego | Chris```: You're going to have toe dit the config file then. |
| 01:32.39 | Chris``` | i did |
| 01:32.44 | caphuso | you could use 'rm *(.Om[1,10])' in a real shell |
| 01:32.45 | pedro420 | ok I got apollon on here, and when I play a song in apollon, it starts artsd, and if I then try to run xmms, it freezes. If I kill artsd, xmms works fine. is there any way these two apps can get along? |
| 01:32.46 | peterS | Starfire: yeah, as I expected. I'm looking into it to see what I did differently on my box |
| 01:32.48 | ricochet | cafuego, ah |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | pedro420: stop using kde |
| 01:32.58 | Starfire | peterS: installing ogle and ogle-gui |
| 01:33.00 | michal_d | thingfish: stop being a girl. I have a highly stressful job, long hours, and I get paid fuck all |
| 01:33.10 | Guerin | pedro420: tell xmms to use the arts output plugin |
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| 01:33.20 | abrotman | wombachi: sunday? |
| 01:33.30 | debian | pedro420: as Guerin suggested, use artsdsp |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | is fuck all good or bad? |
| 01:33.39 | mfrisch | How do you change the default margins for a printer? |
| 01:33.40 | cafuego | abrotman: it's nothing |
| 01:33.45 | cafuego | ls -al |
| 01:33.49 | Starfire | peterS: dvdreadblocks failed? o.0 |
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| 01:34.03 | pedro420 | well there is only ALSA, DiskWriter, OSS, and eSound in my output plugins |
| 01:34.04 | debian | abrotman: it's what an impotent said. :) |
| 01:34.04 | jazzmans | !fuck |
| 01:34.04 | dpkg | from memory, fuck is a wonderful, versitile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 01:34.06 | Chris``` | hmm maybe this is the problem .. on make install |
| 01:34.07 | Chris``` | install: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/man/man8/vsftpd.8': No such file or directory |
| 01:34.14 | pedro420 | I dont seem to have an option for artsd |
| 01:34.17 | puter | hey. my mouse cursor in kde is showing not showing up properly. it looks like a white block most of the time |
| 01:34.22 | Guerin | !wayc Chris``` |
| 01:34.23 | dpkg | Chris```: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:34.25 | michal_d | abrotman: what cafuego said. guess it's an australianism |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | debian: bad :) |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | michal_d: or a redneck term :) |
| 01:34.36 | wombachi | abrotman foreach $day (0-7) {$day = 'sunday'} would be great :) |
| 01:34.38 | debian | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:34.54 | puter | does anyone know what the problem could be? |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | wombachi: you could uhm . go to bed early? |
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| 01:35.17 | abrotman | puter: set the cursor to hw or sw . whichever it's not :) |
| 01:35.24 | Chris``` | Guerin how do i do that |
| 01:35.32 | Chris``` | i only installed this today |
| 01:35.36 | puter | abrotman: how do i set the cursor? |
| 01:35.38 | Chris``` | (debian) |
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| 01:35.48 | peterS | Starfire: possibly install the package ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-0.0_i386.deb |
| 01:35.49 | Guerin | Chris```: apt-get install vsftpd; you will want to remove the one you did yourself |
| 01:35.57 | wombachi | abrotman wow, how stupid I am. I didnt think of it, and it soo simple. Where's that ... time machine again? |
| 01:36.06 | ariel | puter: xf86config |
| 01:36.06 | Chris``` | oh cool |
| 01:36.08 | Chris``` | erm |
| 01:36.17 | abrotman | !time machine |
| 01:36.26 | abrotman | puter: in your X configu |
| 01:36.35 | Chris``` | how would i remove it ? remove the whole vsftpd directory / |
| 01:36.46 | michal_d | abrotman: it's in common use.. I don't think we have rednecks in Australia. at least nobody knows about the. maybe some live in the outback but I've never been there |
| 01:36.49 | abrotman | how many backticks do you need? |
| 01:36.52 | Guerin | Chris```: how did you install it? |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | michal_d: or you're all rednecks :) |
| 01:37.05 | pedro420 | it seemed to me like xmms + kde worked fine before |
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| 01:37.07 | puter | abrotman, in my what? |
| 01:37.10 | Starfire | peterS: i dont wanna sound nooby but how do i use .deb files lol |
| 01:37.12 | Chris``` | i extracted the tar.gz .. ran make.. and then make install |
| 01:37.15 | Guerin | michal_d: you definitely do have rednecks in australia. Thousands of them. |
| 01:37.18 | peterS | Starfire: download it, then install with 'dpkg -i' |
| 01:37.23 | Guerin | Chris```: make uninstall |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | puter: in your X config .. |
| 01:37.50 | Guerin | awright kiddies |
| 01:37.51 | Chris``` | make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop. |
| 01:37.53 | peterS | as in, 'dpkg -i libdvdcss2_1.2.8-0.0_i386.deb' |
| 01:37.55 | Guerin | i'm out |
| 01:37.56 | michal_d | Guerin: where are they? and what makes them rednecks? if it's not wearing sunscreen then we probably have hundreds of thousands |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | puter: does it happen all the time or just kde? |
| 01:38.12 | puter | abrotman, all the time |
| 01:38.17 | Guerin | michal_d: ... |
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| 01:38.29 | Starfire | dpkg -i..... then what =s |
| 01:38.31 | puter | abrotman, so i should look for an x configuration file? |
| 01:38.36 | bucky | what about Crododile Dundee ? |
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| 01:38.48 | bucky | err Cocodile even |
| 01:38.54 | peterS | Starfire: dpkg -i libdvdcss2_whatever.deb |
| 01:38.54 | abrotman | puter: i don't know the option |
| 01:39.04 | Starfire | peterS: oh! not the directory? |
| 01:39.18 | michal_d | bucky: how is that a redneck? country person != redneck even in america |
| 01:39.22 | johnsu01 | I'm looking for some recommendations for tuning my exim4 setup. Right now rss2email -> procmail -> exim4 is crushing my system with the load of too many messages at once. |
| 01:39.28 | peterS | Starfire: you download the file by some other means, like 'wget ftp://.....' |
| 01:39.46 | bucky | michal_, define pres Bush |
| 01:39.47 | Starfire | i used firefox x.x |
| 01:39.54 | peterS | firefox should do it |
| 01:39.59 | bucky | michal_d define pres Bush |
| 01:40.03 | michal_d | bucky: a monkey |
| 01:40.04 | peterS | Starfire: the other way to do it is to add the marillat source to your /etc/apt/sources.list but this struck me as more complex since it's just a single package |
| 01:40.04 | Chris``` | Guerin thanks its sorted |
| 01:40.08 | johnsu01 | I have some exim4 queue settings set, and things have been improved, but it's still making machine unusable for 15 minutes. |
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| 01:40.21 | johnsu01 | I've only got 128MB RAM. |
| 01:40.45 | Starfire | peterS: hmm |
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| 01:40.51 | Starfire | peterS: the file is sitting on my desktop |
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| 01:40.58 | Starfire | peterS: i just need to be able to use it somehow |
| 01:41.03 | peterS | Starfire: so, 'dpkg -i filename.deb' then |
| 01:41.15 | abrotman | puter: i've seen the option . i can't find it now |
| 01:41.36 | peterS | as for where 'filename.deb' is, I forget where the major desktops deposit files intended to show up "on the desktop" |
| 01:41.42 | peterS | probably ~/Desktop/ or similar |
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| 01:42.03 | jair_11 | hello guys |
| 01:42.18 | jair_11 | I install debian sarge with netinst RC3 |
| 01:42.23 | Starfire | peterS: i did that, and it says error processing libdvdcss2_1.2.8-0.0_i386.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 01:42.37 | pedro420 | dpkg, say pedro420: testing |
| 01:42.38 | dpkg | pedro420: testing |
| 01:42.44 | pedro420 | cool |
| 01:42.45 | peterS | Starfire: you have to find it. you told firefox to save it somewhere - now just a matter of tracking down where it put it |
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| 01:42.58 | JRWR|Sleeping | on LILO |
| 01:42.58 | jair_11 | but now how can I see that this is the RC3? and also is a command to get the prompt to add more server http or ftp to the source list? |
| 01:43.07 | pedro420 | turn off that stupid nick coloring, and I get a highlight when someone says my nick |
| 01:43.10 | peterS | Starfire: if it's "on the desktop" visibly, it'll be in some directory under your home directory. but I forget where. 'find ~ -name libdvdcss*' will tell you where |
| 01:43.13 | johnsu01 | All of these messages are local delivery. So, I guess what I'm asking is how to slow the process down so that exim4 waits more between messages. |
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| 01:43.16 | Chris``` | damn it :| |
| 01:43.25 | puter | okay, how do i change the set of fonts that xwin is using? |
| 01:43.27 | johnsu01 | Or, so that rss2email takes longer to send them. |
| 01:43.33 | Chris``` | in the config on vsftpd i have ti to allow local and anonymous .. but |
| 01:43.34 | Chris``` | [R] 500 OOPS: vsftpd: both local and anonymous access disabled! |
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| 01:43.48 | JRWR | on LILO i need Windows to boot defalt insede ofLinux |
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| 01:43.52 | Chris``` | is there anything i need to do to like refresh the config |
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| 01:43.59 | JRWR | how would idothis |
| 01:44.03 | rm-Rf | hey, is there a picture viewing tool that can do recursive slideshow? kuickshow can't |
| 01:44.13 | peterS | JRWR: /etc/lilo.conf lets you set 'default=something' where 'something' is a label name you already have in there |
| 01:44.20 | bucky | dpkg, say FieldySnuts might be a redneck |
| 01:44.21 | dpkg | FieldySnuts might be a redneck |
| 01:44.28 | Starfire | peterS: installed seemingly successfully |
| 01:44.33 | JRWR | i did that once and it did not work |
| 01:44.37 | peterS | Starfire: so now totem *should* be able to play your DVDs |
| 01:44.47 | peterS | Starfire: if my research and memory are correct |
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| 01:44.51 | Starfire | peterS: ill try it lol |
| 01:44.55 | JRWR | ill try it agien |
| 01:44.57 | JRWR | bbl |
| 01:45.01 | wombachi | JRWR run 'lilo' after, and reboot |
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| 01:45.24 | rm-Rf | hey, is there a picture viewing tool that can do recursive slideshow? kuickshow can't. tried to search apt-cache but didn't find |
| 01:45.27 | jair_11 | guys which one is the command that let me add more source servers to the /etc/apt/source.list? |
| 01:45.49 | cafuego | jair_11: $EDITOR |
| 01:45.59 | cafuego | Also try 'apt-setup' |
| 01:46.12 | ariel | rm-Rf: I'm not sure but I think that gtksee has that opcion |
| 01:46.28 | ariel | rm-Rf: I meant option |
| 01:46.39 | rm-Rf | tnx |
| 01:46.49 | Starfire | peterS: same issue |
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| 01:46.55 | Starfire | peterS: or atleast same error message |
| 01:46.59 | fibersnet_ | how can i get the functionality of egrep and have it search subdirectories? |
| 01:47.15 | Chris``` | in the config on vsftpd i have ti to allow local and anonymous .. but |
| 01:47.17 | wombachi | cafuego you type to fast for me. I could not anwser 'apt-setup'. Time to try typespeed again :) |
| 01:47.18 | Chris``` | [R] 500 OOPS: vsftpd: both local and anonymous access disabled! |
| 01:47.21 | Chris``` | is there anything i need to do to like refresh the config |
| 01:47.34 | wombachi | fibersnet_ -R option |
| 01:47.37 | peterS | Starfire: does "dpkg -l libdvdcss2" output a line starting with "ii" and including a version number and description? |
| 01:47.40 | jair_11 | cafuego, thank you very much |
| 01:47.50 | jair_11 | cafuego, apt-get set up is the one |
| 01:47.58 | jair_11 | apt-setup sorry |
| 01:48.10 | fibersnet_ | wombachi: egrep -R "match" *.txt does not work if there are no .txt files in the directory you are searching in |
| 01:48.12 | jair_11 | cafuego, cool |
| 01:48.12 | Starfire | peterS: yes |
| 01:48.51 | peterS | Starfire: do you have totem-xine or totem-gstreamer installed, do you know? 'dpkg -l totem-xine totem-gstreamer' will tell |
| 01:48.52 | wombachi | fibersnet_ you want this : find -type f -iname '*txt' |
| 01:48.55 | michal_d | this is a bit depressing.. I think I am going to have to pay above retail price for a second hand product :/ |
| 01:48.57 | jair_11 | cafuego, I was using the Libranet OS before and it came with a Alsa database that just work with almost all the old and new sound cards. |
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| 01:49.02 | peterS | Starfire: I ask because I use totem-xine and I don't know if totem-gstreamer supports libdvdcss2 |
| 01:49.06 | fibersnet_ | wombachi: i try `find . -name "*.txt" -exec cat \{\} \; | grep "string"` but that does not tell me what files the match is in so not as useful |
| 01:49.09 | jair_11 | cafuego, Can i install and run that on sarge |
| 01:49.14 | jair_11 | cafuego, ? |
| 01:49.30 | jair_11 | cafuego, I think is Alsa |
| 01:49.31 | cafuego | jair_11: yes |
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| 01:49.40 | fibersnet_ | wombachi: i am searching for the contents of .txt files |
| 01:49.50 | jair_11 | cafuego, what I shuld do ? just apt-get install Alsa? |
| 01:49.52 | cafuego | jair_11: Just run a 2.6 kernel on sarge, that comes with alsa. |
| 01:49.54 | wombachi | fibersnet_ grep -Er string *txt */*txt ? |
| 01:50.01 | jair_11 | cafuego, shut |
| 01:50.11 | bucky | shut up |
| 01:50.13 | jair_11 | cafuego, I already install it with 2.4 |
| 01:50.20 | jair_11 | cafuego, shut |
| 01:50.20 | cafuego | jair_11: So install anew 2.6 one. |
| 01:50.25 | jair_11 | shut |
| 01:50.26 | bucky | shut up ? |
| 01:50.27 | cafuego | jair_11: shut what? |
| 01:50.28 | jair_11 | cafuego, ok |
| 01:50.33 | ariel | jair_11: make sure you have alsa-modules installed |
| 01:50.33 | Starfire | peterS: totem and totem-xine come back with information (version number etc.) whereas totem-gstreamer does not |
| 01:50.44 | wombachi | fibersnet_ I often use (find files somehow) | xargs grep -niH |
| 01:50.46 | Kerr | I'm still being asked if i want to download php files i try to view on my server.. i installed php4 and uncommented the addtype whatever in the httpdconf, and restarted apache... what gives? |
| 01:50.46 | cafuego | jair_11: I will not be putting up with tourette's |
| 01:50.47 | jair_11 | cafuego, that I will need to install it again |
| 01:50.52 | cafuego | jair_11: No. |
| 01:50.57 | peterS | Starfire: so, you have totem-xine installed. I don't know why it does not work with libdvdcss2 |
| 01:51.01 | cafuego | jair_11: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 01:51.06 | cafuego | jair_11: Pick one, apt-get install it. |
| 01:51.07 | wombachi | fibersnet_ niH gives you the filename and line number with matches |
| 01:51.07 | jair_11 | cafuego, ohhh |
| 01:51.08 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:51.14 | rm-Rf | ariel: gtksee don't support recursive slideshow |
| 01:51.17 | jair_11 | cafuego, that will update the kernel? |
| 01:51.30 | jair_11 | ariel, after I install the kernel 2.6? |
| 01:51.34 | cafuego | jair_11: No, it will install a second kernel. The 2.4 will STILL be there. |
| 01:51.44 | Starfire | i get the FBI warning screen and ATTENTION, from the dvd... then it craps out with the error |
| 01:51.46 | jair_11 | cafuego, ok |
| 01:51.48 | jair_11 | that is good |
| 01:51.52 | wombachi | Kerr try with a simple file containing phpinfo(). Restart your browser (cache is a pblm) |
| 01:51.53 | ariel | jair_11: yes, you need to install kernel 2.6 first |
| 01:52.02 | jair_11 | cafuego, I will just boot selecting the new one |
| 01:52.07 | jair_11 | ariel, ok |
| 01:52.16 | jair_11 | ariel, installing it |
| 01:52.25 | ariel | jair_11: apt.get install kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 01:52.52 | bucky | ariel, are you sure that's the one he wants? |
| 01:52.52 | jair_11 | cafuego, thank you for your help and the "shut" is because I did not want to say "$hit" |
| 01:52.58 | Starfire | peterS: is there a way to configure libdvdcss2 or something |
| 01:53.06 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:53.10 | jair_11 | ariel, cool |
| 01:53.16 | fibersnet_ | wombachi: thanks trying now, xargs does not like find -print0 |
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| 01:53.21 | ariel | jair_11: http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html |
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| 01:53.28 | peterS | Starfire: as far as I can tell, it's pulled in automatically by the xine dvd reader plugin, if found |
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| 01:53.47 | peterS | Starfire: (xine is the backend library that totem-xine uses) |
| 01:53.52 | moshii | Starfire: it should just work, you could try dvdbackup and see if you can rip a dvd using it |
| 01:53.53 | ariel | bucky: getting his sound card working |
| 01:53.55 | wombachi | fibersnet_ find . -iname '*foo' -exec grep -niH {} \; perhaps? |
| 01:53.56 | jair_11 | ariel, this is a how-to to configure the sound? |
| 01:54.22 | NoRtUno | alguem tecla em português? |
| 01:54.27 | peterS | Starfire: unfortunately I can't play around with this stuff right now as I don't own any DVDs. I remember using totem successfully to play DVDs in the past, though |
| 01:54.29 | ariel | jair_11: yes, with alsa |
| 01:54.32 | bucky | ariel actually there aren't any kernels called kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 01:54.52 | fibersnet_ | wombachi: awesome, thanks |
| 01:55.00 | jair_11 | ariel, thank you |
| 01:55.11 | EruditeHermit | hey, I accidentally deleted my /etc/fonts/defualts file, and all my fonts are messed up. Does anyone know how to recreate it? |
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| 01:55.35 | wombachi | fibersnet_ yes, find is really great |
| 01:55.45 | Starfire | peterS: hmm... |
| 01:55.56 | ariel | bucky, you're right but when you write it, apt-get ask you to specific one, example apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: hex editor! |
| 01:56.02 | fibersnet_ | wombachi: grep's -H funtion was a long lost treasure for me |
| 01:56.06 | ariel | bucky: and so on |
| 01:56.21 | bucky | wonder which one he installed |
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| 01:56.34 | wombachi | fibersnet_ reading man pages make me sleep less :p |
| 01:56.35 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: hex editor? |
| 01:56.53 | michal_d | is there any way to get more detailed information on WHY sshd is denying permission on a remote host? |
| 01:57.08 | shadow98 | how do i install x using apt-get |
| 01:57.09 | jair_11 | thank you arieland cafuego :) |
| 01:57.19 | jair_11 | ariel, thank you |
| 01:57.23 | jair_11 | cafuego, thank you |
| 01:57.31 | wombachi | shadow98 install xserver-xfree86? |
| 01:57.42 | dvs | wombachi: no |
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| 01:57.54 | dvs | shadow98: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:58.09 | michal_d | this is the extent of the information I get.. Permission denied, please try again. |
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| 01:58.38 | mfrisch | How do you change the default margins for a printer? |
| 01:58.48 | bucky | michal_, wrong username and/or password |
| 01:59.01 | dvs | mfrisch: We won't tell you Mike |
| 01:59.01 | puter | does anyone know why my cursor/pointer would show up as a white block???? |
| 01:59.32 | michal_d | bucky: well i know that both the username and password are correct yet it's still denying a connection. I think something is broken with authentication.. and that's a BIG problem |
| 01:59.44 | puter | could it be that there is no bitmap specified for the pointer? |
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| 01:59.58 | wombachi | dvs you were right. I didnt knew that meta-package name, thanks |
| 02:00.13 | mfrisch | dvs cruel:)~ |
| 02:00.20 | Starfire | does anyone know how to play DVD's? |
| 02:00.21 | dvs | mfrisch: Just kidding. |
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| 02:00.37 | michal_d | I really don't know what to do.. it seems I am "Fucked" |
| 02:00.44 | shadow98 | is there a better web server than apache? |
| 02:00.53 | pipeline | shadow98: IIS 6 |
| 02:00.54 | dvs | shadow98: no ;-) |
| 02:01.04 | pipeline | shadow98: Zeus |
| 02:01.16 | bucky | netscape |
| 02:01.16 | shadow98 | i mean for linux |
| 02:01.39 | mfrisch | Starfire mplayer? |
| 02:01.44 | wombachi | shadow98: there is (was) a http srv in kernel, quicker for static pages. |
| 02:01.52 | bucky | 500 million servers on the internet can't be wrong |
| 02:01.59 | Starfire | mfrisch ? |
| 02:02.05 | Starfire | mfrisch, whats mplayer |
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| 02:02.20 | wombachi | shadow98 Apache is about 60% of all webservers, for a reason |
| 02:02.29 | Starfire | mfrisch, cause i tryed ogle and totem and neither work, even with libdvdcss2 installed |
| 02:02.31 | dvs | we're cheap |
| 02:02.37 | ariel | shadow98: perhaps you wanted to install a desktop evironment, if so you may run tasksel |
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| 02:02.43 | wombachi | ex IIS cant (natively) do rewrite rules I think |
| 02:03.18 | shadow98 | ariel i want to install from scratch dont like tasksel |
| 02:03.22 | pipeline | shadow98: I think Zeus is available for Linux, but most folks use it on HP-UX or Solaris |
| 02:03.38 | mfrisch | Starfire cool but not gnu...its apt has the player, libdvdread3 acrobat. goto apt-get.org and search mplayer |
| 02:03.40 | michal_d | anyone know of any possible solution to getting into a system remotely that has broken authentication? |
| 02:03.41 | pipeline | shadow98: Apache is popular because it's powerful and it's cheap. |
| 02:03.57 | pipeline | shadow98: IIS and Zeus are arguably better, but they are certainly NOT cheap. |
| 02:04.00 | michal_d | a hole in lprng maybe? |
| 02:04.18 | wombachi | michal_d call some 3l337 Cr4k3r :) |
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| 02:04.33 | pipeline | Starfire: Uh, did you do instructions in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3 ? |
| 02:04.41 | pipeline | Starfire: Also, ask the dpkg bot about "marillat" |
| 02:04.43 | tomb0y | any ideas on this.. i have highpoint 454 card, if i enable scsi in kernel, and load the 3rd party module from them, everything loads fine, devices show up as /dev/sd etc. if i disable it from loading that module, and have kernel compiled with the hpt37x driver, so the drives show up as /dev/hd devices, the kernel panics cuz it cant find root, which makes me think its renumbering the devices using the hpt37x driver for some reason. my main |
| 02:04.46 | michal_d | doesn't look like that will work either :/ no connect permissions |
| 02:05.05 | DrZaius | hey guys, i'm having a problem doing an apt-get upgrade |
| 02:05.13 | shadow98 | yeah im not paying for anything |
| 02:05.16 | shadow98 | hehehe |
| 02:05.21 | Starfire | !dpkg marillat |
| 02:05.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 02:05.22 | dvs | DrZaius: Probably you want an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:05.22 | michal_d | wombachi: not possible. I have to do the impossible and fix it remotely.. or walk someone who doesn't know how to use a computer or know English through how to fix it :/ |
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| 02:05.52 | DrZaius | dvs: no, the problem is i have limited disk space and its saying i don't have enough room to grab the debs and put them in the archive dir |
| 02:06.16 | DrZaius | the /var partition is limited to 500 megs or so |
| 02:06.20 | mfrisch | dvs soo how do you fix margins its in every prog cups networked ? |
| 02:06.38 | DrZaius | and i have more packages than that to upgrade |
| 02:06.41 | dvs | mfrisch: I wish I knew. ;-) |
| 02:06.55 | DrZaius | any way to do apt-get upgrade in smaller steps instead of downloading everything at once? |
| 02:07.06 | mfrisch | dvs me too :)~ |
| 02:07.09 | wombachi | michal_d you cant remotely fix a problem without remote access. Call someone physically there |
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| 02:07.33 | DrZaius | any ideas? |
| 02:07.42 | peterS | Starfire: if you want to try mplayer, it's available from the same site you got libdvdcss2. pulling down all the mplayer stuff will probably make it worth using an apt source |
| 02:07.51 | wombachi | DrSaius : apt-get install foo; apt-get clean. Wash, repeat |
| 02:07.54 | peterS | Starfire: for more information, type "/msg dpkg marillat" here on irc |
| 02:08.01 | Chris``` | in the config on vsftpd i have ti to allow local and anonymous .. but |
| 02:08.03 | Chris``` | [R] 500 OOPS: vsftpd: both local and anonymous access disabled! |
| 02:08.05 | Chris``` | is there anything i need to do to like refresh the config |
| 02:08.07 | michal_d | wombachi: yeah.. meaning a non-english speaking secretary |
| 02:08.13 | DrZaius | wombachi: there's no 'less manual' way? |
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| 02:08.25 | DrZaius | thats going to be a pain. |
| 02:08.27 | bgat | how do I tell courier not to do RFC2045 checking? |
| 02:08.30 | ariel | DrZaius: specifillying what packages you want to upgrade |
| 02:08.37 | wombachi | michal_d ask her password :) just kidding |
| 02:08.54 | DrZaius | i guess that'll force me to upgrade my pkgs often ;) |
| 02:08.57 | wombachi | DrZaius resize /var partition. I never done that. Times to investigate lvm |
| 02:08.57 | michal_d | wombachi: i know all the passwords already. they don't work |
| 02:09.02 | DrZaius | i let it build up i guess... |
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| 02:09.19 | dvs | DrZaius: or have a bigger /var partition |
| 02:09.21 | myren | my friend has a bunch of P166 he's pinning from, aptitude takes forever... |
| 02:09.26 | bucky | DrZaius apt-get clean and try again if that doesn't work make /var/cache/apt/archives a soft link to somewhere that does have enough room |
| 02:09.36 | DrZaius | well. when i have some money, i guess i'll just buy a bigger disk... |
| 02:09.45 | myren | we'd like to use something like apt-proxy but where we can pin from different repositories |
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| 02:09.48 | myren | any suggestions? |
| 02:09.57 | DrZaius | resizing the partions isn't an option. most of the other partions have _less_ space |
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| 02:10.38 | wombachi | michal_d check if box is down, or other access (ex ftp, webmin, whatever besides ssh) |
| 02:10.59 | michal_d | oh this is good.. a friend of mine is getting into trouble because i sent him an email with the highly offensive word "friggin" in it |
| 02:11.23 | nevyn | uni or work? |
| 02:11.28 | wombachi | DrZaius try bucky's idea, perhaps with a symlink to a bigger remote filesystem |
| 02:11.44 | DrZaius | bucky: that'd work if my remote filesystem didn't have rootsquashing |
| 02:12.01 | michal_d | wombachi: the box isn't down.. it has plenty of open ports including rsh rlogin rexec but I can't log in through any of them |
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| 02:12.41 | DrZaius | damn my sysadmin for having a secure server. |
| 02:12.47 | wombachi | michal_d rlogin rsh? I'm sick. |
| 02:13.16 | michal_d | nevyn: the friggin swearword? work |
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| 02:13.39 | michal_d | wombach: ssh is no better. the version on there is just as insecure |
| 02:14.08 | heloo | does anyone know what is this "function src_compile, line 139, exit code 2" |
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| 02:14.28 | Starfire | still wont work... |
| 02:14.30 | Starfire | god dammit >_< |
| 02:14.59 | wombachi | michal_d perhaps someone played with pam settings |
| 02:15.11 | ARCh1V1st | how can I permanently add a user to the X access control list? |
| 02:15.25 | ARCh1V1st | i've typed xhost +192.xxx a million times today ;) |
| 02:15.26 | jair_11 | ariel, I get the boot with the kernel 2.6 and it shows a message fatal error modules for alsa? |
| 02:15.31 | wombachi | michal_d old ssh is better than clear text access (giving local access to every eavedropper) |
| 02:15.33 | mfrisch | Starfire mplayer.... |
| 02:15.50 | ariel | jair_11: what kernel are you runnig now? |
| 02:15.53 | Starfire | when i start mplayer it says starting mplayer in the task bar thing, and then dissappears |
| 02:15.56 | wombachi | ARCh1V1st put it in .xinitrc, something like that? |
| 02:16.17 | ARCh1V1st | cool, thanks |
| 02:16.24 | mfrisch | Starfire mplayer dvd:// |
| 02:16.28 | dvs | Starfire: Run it in a shell |
| 02:16.28 | jair_11 | ariel, 2.6 |
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| 02:16.38 | wombachi | ARCh1V1st or .xsession. check manpages |
| 02:16.38 | DrZaius | does anybody know if there is such an option as "root squashing" using samba? |
| 02:16.44 | Starfire | dont know how to run shells >_< |
| 02:16.46 | jair_11 | ariel, how can I access the log for the boot event? |
| 02:16.57 | jair_11 | ariel, to put it on the pastebin.com |
| 02:17.00 | Starfire | !dpkg shell |
| 02:17.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, shell is telnet http://www.boston.ru |
| 02:17.05 | ariel | jair_11: dmesg |
| 02:17.05 | Starfire | ._. |
| 02:17.11 | jair_11 | ariel, so you can see exacly what it sey |
| 02:17.12 | DrZaius | maybe if i could mount the remote system through samba, i could have root access it to throw things in the apt cache? |
| 02:17.16 | FieldySnuts | telnet http://? yeah try that |
| 02:17.19 | jair_11 | vi dmesg |
| 02:17.29 | abrotman | say |
| 02:17.30 | DrZaius | NFS has an option (which is enabled) to not allow root to access the remote files |
| 02:17.34 | jair_11 | ariel, or in the terminal? |
| 02:17.36 | wombachi | jair_11 I prefer less /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:17.42 | jair_11 | wombachi, thank you |
| 02:17.57 | DrZaius | i know he exports through NFS and SAMBA... does that sound viable? |
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| 02:18.16 | abrotman | nfs has exports .. samba has shares |
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| 02:18.29 | wrs | Hello all |
| 02:18.30 | DrZaius | abrotman: sorry for the terminology mix up ;) |
| 02:18.41 | abrotman | puter: get it fixed? |
| 02:18.47 | wombachi | jair_11 I saw dmesg 'overriden' with many infos, but not /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:18.54 | Starfire | grr.... |
| 02:18.57 | DrZaius | can samba "shares" be root squashed? (if they can, i'm sure he enabled it) |
| 02:18.59 | ariel | jar_11: well, wait, as you see, on debian packages there aren't alsa-modules for 2.6 kernels, you need to download and install it manually with dpkg -i alsa-module for example and you even need modconf tool to configure it |
| 02:19.09 | abrotman | !beer Starfire |
| 02:19.22 | ariel | jar_11: apt-get install modconf |
| 02:19.23 | dvs | ariel: 2.6 kernels don't need alsa-modules |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | i'm starting to think dpkg is biased towards yuengling |
| 02:19.37 | peterS | abrotman: its RNG is not very good (: |
| 02:19.38 | abrotman | dvs: yes they do .. just not separately |
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| 02:19.47 | jair_11 | wombachi, I see a lot of info but not the message of fatal error :( |
| 02:19.48 | dvs | give me Maximum Ice anyday |
| 02:19.48 | abrotman | peterS: no kidding |
| 02:19.54 | jair_11 | ariel, ok I will install it |
| 02:19.57 | goodtod | how can I pin the kernel with apt-get so it doesn't get updated? |
| 02:19.58 | mfrisch | Starfire what gui do you use Gnome? |
| 02:20.21 | dvs | abrotman: I meant the packages, not the actual modules themselves |
| 02:20.29 | Starfire | yes |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | dvs: that's what i said :) |
| 02:20.39 | wombachi | jair_11 it's only to show boot msg, I dont know your problem |
| 02:20.41 | peterS | Starfire: can you paste your actual error output from totem? run 'totem' from a terminal window, then copy / paste it to a paste bot |
| 02:20.44 | peterS | Starfire: /msg dpkg paster |
| 02:21.00 | Starfire | er... |
| 02:21.16 | abrotman | my butt hurts |
| 02:21.18 | ariel | dvs: I read the same but when I install my sarge sound was too high I was only able to manage it by installing alsa-modules manually, because 2.6 alsa-modules did't detect my via8235 sound card |
| 02:21.20 | mfrisch | Starfire rt background >open terminal> type mplayer dvd:// |
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| 02:21.33 | mfrisch | rt click |
| 02:21.34 | wrs | I just received mozilla 1.76-1 but i'm not sure about whether it's a normal testing package or a contrib one. How can I find out which it is? |
| 02:21.37 | peterS | that is, pull up http://channels.debian.net/paste and paste your error output there |
| 02:21.44 | Starfire | bash: /usr/bin/mplayer: No such file or directory |
| 02:21.46 | jair_11 | wombachi, when it was booting I saw a message "fatal error. something about Alsa modules" |
| 02:21.52 | dvs | ariel: What alsa-modules did you install? |
| 02:22.17 | Starfire | and my totem error is: An error occured The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss? |
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| 02:22.23 | Chris``` | i think i know it but i wonna make sure .. whats the command to extract a tar.gz |
| 02:22.30 | wombachi | I guess that msg is available somewhere (dmesg, syslog). |
| 02:22.35 | ariel | dcs: via82cxxx |
| 02:22.35 | michal_d | wombachi: pam may be broken.. because libc6 might be partially broken |
| 02:22.36 | jair_11 | ariel, done that is to use a gui for the modules and kernel right but remember I did not install yet the x-window-system-core and I don't know what wm to install? |
| 02:22.40 | mlambie | is there a way to rate-limit an apt-get dist-upgrade? i'm saturating our link at the moment :( |
| 02:22.43 | peterS | Starfire: well, I just wonder if there were further warnings or errors before that, which would indicate *why* it can't find libdvdcss2 |
| 02:22.50 | wrs | chris```: tar xzf *trar.gz |
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| 02:22.58 | mlambie | much like wget has the --limit=xx option |
| 02:23.10 | Starfire | peterS: doesnt output any, it just says that with an alert window |
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| 02:23.26 | wombachi | damn, stupid timezone, it's not in sync with me :-/ Must get up for work in 4 hours, argh |
| 02:23.29 | peterS | Starfire: so no warnings or errors in the terminal window you started totem from? |
| 02:23.29 | shadow98 | where do i set the list of user who can access ftp and who can't i can't remember..im using vsftp |
| 02:23.34 | ariel | jair_11: dont worry modconf is able to run from tty1 |
| 02:23.40 | jair_11 | cool |
| 02:23.48 | jair_11 | ariel, now what next? |
| 02:23.59 | Chris``` | is this right aswell ? |
| 02:24.00 | Chris``` | 192:/home/chris# tar xzfv wu-ftpd-2.6.2.tar.gz |
| 02:24.02 | wombachi | michal_d broken libc6 isnt good news, at all. |
| 02:24.09 | jair_11 | I would like to understand what is those tty1 tty2 tty3 and so on |
| 02:24.23 | DrZaius | does anybody know of a util to mount remote ftp directories? |
| 02:24.26 | ariel | have you got alsa-modulesxxxxxx.deb package ? |
| 02:24.29 | Starfire | peterS: im gonna paste this in #flood |
| 02:24.41 | wombachi | DrZaius mc ? |
| 02:24.56 | DrZaius | wombachi: midnight commander? |
| 02:24.58 | wrs | chris```: as far as i know is the "v" for verbose output. Try "man tar" or "tar --help" |
| 02:25.10 | michal_d | wombachi: I know.. i spent a while on here trying to get help to fix it (seemed to be a dpkg/package problem of some nature).. but it looks like it may have caused the authentication problem. i'm probably 99% sure it's related |
| 02:25.12 | DrZaius | wombachi: thats a filemanager last i checked. |
| 02:25.14 | jair_11 | ariel, nope? I should do -> apt-get install alsa-modules |
| 02:25.16 | jair_11 | ? |
| 02:25.26 | wombachi | DrZaius yes, I know mc can use ftp in its windows. But it's not really 'mounted' |
| 02:25.38 | MobyTurbo | DrZaius: mc is also an ftp client |
| 02:25.41 | Chris``` | i am getting > gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error and gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--length error .. on a lot of tar.gz's |
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| 02:25.50 | wrs | Excuse me for interruoting, but is someone here who can help me about getting rid of a package inconsistency? |
| 02:25.55 | DrZaius | wombachi: oh, i'm still trying to find a solution to my apt cache dir being too small |
| 02:25.55 | MobyTurbo | wombachi: if you want something mounted over a network, use NFS |
| 02:25.56 | Chris``` | theres only 1 out of about 10 thats went alright |
| 02:26.17 | peterS | Starfire: you didn't paste anything in there since I joined |
| 02:26.30 | Starfire | ... im muted in #flood... perfect |
| 02:26.31 | wombachi | MobyTurbo I dont want, but DrZaius probably do :) |
| 02:26.32 | Starfire | hey peterS come to #az02x |
| 02:26.34 | Starfire | so i can paste it there |
| 02:26.39 | MobyTurbo | wombachi: several file managers can let you *pretend* they are though. |
| 02:27.17 | ariel | jair_11: wait, try this first, perhaps kernel 2.6 has built-in modules for your sound card. Type alsaconf and follow the steps |
| 02:27.41 | wombachi | DrZaius: mount a share/export via smb/nfs, then link /var/cache.... seems simplest solution in your case |
| 02:28.13 | Starfire | peterS come to #az02x, im muted in #flood |
| 02:28.25 | wombachi | MobyTurbo yes, as Windows 95 pretended to be an OS :) |
| 02:28.33 | dvs | !paster |
| 02:28.33 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
| 02:29.03 | wrs | chris```: do you use KDE? -> Try ark. If it whines the file's probably broken. |
| 02:29.25 | Chris``` | all like 10 of them ? |
| 02:29.38 | jamuraa | okay I've had this problem for a bit and want to figure it out tonight. I have a SB Live! and 2.6 - I have alsa compiled into the kernel, my mixer is unmuted, but nothing is coming out of the speakers. (The speakers work, I tested them) Anyone have clues? |
| 02:29.52 | MobyTurbo | wombachi: mc is a lot better than Windows 95, though I don't use it. |
| 02:29.53 | abrotman | jamuraa: are you in the audio group? |
| 02:29.54 | Chris``` | i duno if i use kde i just installed debian and did nothing else .. cos i cant get the mouse to work :P |
| 02:30.07 | abrotman | mice are overrated |
| 02:30.11 | wombachi | chris possible. Problem can be the files you downloaded have been uncompressed on the fly |
| 02:30.12 | abrotman | use laser input! |
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| 02:30.26 | wombachi | Chris```: try 'file foo.tgz'. Does it report gzip? |
| 02:30.30 | jamuraa | abrotman: yep |
| 02:30.38 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 02:30.41 | jair_11 | ariel, ok |
| 02:30.46 | streetbmx | he;;p |
| 02:30.49 | streetbmx | hello* |
| 02:30.51 | ariel | jair_11: what's going on? |
| 02:31.05 | jair_11 | ariel, I will run the command one sec ok |
| 02:31.20 | jamuraa | abrotman: the sound stuff works fine under OSS (2.4), and worked once under ALSA on a 2.4 kernel as well |
| 02:31.26 | wombachi | MobyTurbo Difficult to compare a file manager and some kind of OS. |
| 02:31.41 | abrotman | jamuraa: you've run alsaconf ? |
| 02:31.57 | Chris``` | it returns |
| 02:31.58 | Chris``` | wu-ftpd-2.6.2.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix |
| 02:32.05 | FieldySnuts | @fuck wu-ftpd |
| 02:32.10 | FieldySnuts | security? what security. |
| 02:32.38 | wombachi | Chris```: wu-ftpd isnt the most secure FTP server, really. |
| 02:32.44 | Chris``` | well vtstfpd wont let me login locally even tho i defined it to let me in the config |
| 02:32.45 | jamuraa | abrotman: should I have to? I have the module compiled into the kernel |
| 02:32.51 | Chris``` | in the config on vsftpd i have ti to allow local and anonymous .. but |
| 02:32.55 | Chris``` | [R] 500 OOPS: vsftpd: both local and anonymous access disabled! |
| 02:33.03 | Chris``` | is there anything i need to do to like refresh the config |
| 02:33.09 | cafuego | Chris```: Why are you still playing with tarballs? |
| 02:33.18 | wombachi | Chris```: dpkg-reconfigure <your_package> |
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| 02:33.46 | Chris``` | :D |
| 02:33.49 | wombachi | Chris```: from the above, your tarballs are probably broken. |
| 02:33.51 | Chris``` | thanks wombachi |
| 02:33.58 | Chris``` | my what ablls ? :| |
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| 02:34.21 | cafuego | Chris```: Remove all self-compiled crap. install debian packages for them. Configure them, restart them. |
| 02:34.28 | wombachi | Chris```: tarballs : your .tar.gz files |
| 02:34.33 | Chris``` | oh right |
| 02:34.34 | myren | how do i setup my package configuration as a repository? |
| 02:34.43 | cafuego | Chris```: Debian ahs prepackaged software for a good reason. |
| 02:34.45 | myren | i have a bunch of pinning, |
| 02:34.49 | Chris``` | i dont know how do install debian packages for them ... :| |
| 02:34.57 | myren | i want to export it all to a single package |
| 02:35.00 | Chris``` | i am linux n00b .. ultra |
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| 02:35.16 | cafuego | Chris```: Then the LAST THING in the world you should be doing is COMPILING. |
| 02:35.24 | wombachi | Chris```: as root, 'apt-get install foo' where foo is the name of your package |
| 02:35.24 | cafuego | !debian howto |
| 02:35.34 | Chris``` | ok |
| 02:35.35 | jamuraa | abrotman: it ran, but did not find any cards. alsamixer runs fine and tells me that the card is unmuted though |
| 02:35.42 | wombachi | chris ex 'apt-get install proftpd' |
| 02:36.08 | tarheelcoxn | say, is ftp.us.debian.org broken at the moment? |
| 02:36.11 | streetbmx | does libservlet2.*-java == tomcat? |
| 02:36.20 | tarheelcoxn | or is my ISP broken? |
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| 02:36.27 | tarheelcoxn | :P |
| 02:36.32 | cafuego | tarheelcoxn: yes |
| 02:36.36 | wombachi | tarheelcoxn I can ping it right now |
| 02:36.49 | Chris``` | vsftpd is already the newest version. |
| 02:36.57 | jair_11 | ariel, I have to go |
| 02:36.59 | calin | is there a vidalinux channel? |
| 02:37.02 | Chris``` | thats on apt-get |
| 02:37.07 | abrotman | jamuraa: if it runs and doens't find any cards .. something is wrong .. maybe try #alsa ? |
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| 02:37.09 | jair_11 | ariel, but I will run the "alsaconf" command |
| 02:37.10 | wombachi | tarheelcoxn but there are 5 ips behind, so perhaps I was lucky :) |
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| 02:37.17 | jair_11 | ariel, and follow the instructions |
| 02:37.39 | ariel | jair_11: ok, let the force be with you |
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| 02:37.47 | jair_11 | ariel if it does not work? I shuld then try "apt-get install alsa-modules" |
| 02:37.50 | streetbmx | calin: try #gentoo ? |
| 02:37.51 | tarheelcoxn | wombachi: I just get a blinking cursor when I try to ping |
| 02:37.55 | jair_11 | ariel, thank you |
| 02:37.59 | jair_11 | ariel, :) |
| 02:38.04 | tarheelcoxn | cafuego: thanks |
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| 02:38.29 | wombachi | tarheelcoxn perhaps only your dns is broken. IPs: 35.9.37.225, 128.101.80.133... |
| 02:38.38 | MobyTurbo | streetbmx: why would gentoo help? |
| 02:38.43 | ariel | jair_11: first see http://packages.debian.org/testing/ for its correct syntax |
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| 02:39.15 | streetbmx | MobyTurbo: because vidalinux is gentoo based |
| 02:39.31 | Chris``` | omg i am still getting "[R] 500 OOPS: vsftpd: both local and anonymous access disabled!" when in the vsftpd local=yes and anonymous = yes |
| 02:39.40 | puter | why does woody come with an old version of kde? and how can i get the new one for debian? |
| 02:39.42 | abrotman | stop using vsftpd ? |
| 02:40.01 | MobyTurbo | streetbmx: then why are you asking here then? |
| 02:40.03 | jair_11 | ariel, ok thank you good night |
| 02:40.04 | Chris``` | why? |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | puter: that's how debian works |
| 02:40.30 | wombachi | puter woody is for servers. Use testing on desktop (or check backports.org if you really want) |
| 02:40.31 | abrotman | puter: if you want newer .. upgrade to sarge |
| 02:40.39 | streetbmx | MobyTurbo: why are you blindly responding to a message that wasent for you |
| 02:40.40 | MobyTurbo | puter: Woody, except for security upgrades, is frozen. That's what Debian does with stable, similar to what Red Hat does to RHEL. |
| 02:40.51 | abrotman | !tell puter about woody->sarge |
| 02:41.00 | streetbmx | MobyTurbo: I was talking to calin who asked about vidalinux |
| 02:41.02 | MobyTurbo | streetbmx: if you want private messages, then don't send them in the channel. |
| 02:41.15 | ariel | jair_11, the same to you |
| 02:41.34 | streetbmx | MobyTurbo: dude do you not get it |
| 02:41.45 | streetbmx | MobyTurbo: i was responding to someone else |
| 02:41.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:42.01 | MobyTurbo | streetbmx: whatever |
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| 02:42.11 | streetbmx | MobyTurbo: read back some |
| 02:42.46 | MobyTurbo | streetbmx: OK, you're right. |
| 02:42.49 | abrotman | noway .. don't do it |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | reading makes baby jesus cry |
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| 02:43.00 | Symbian | hi |
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| 02:43.22 | Symbian | somebody had make a backup o his entire SO in a cdrom o dvdrom? |
| 02:43.33 | sussudio | !confuse Symbian |
| 02:43.34 | dpkg | Yes, those was my gerbil yesterday, Symbian? breeches of the dictatorship of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 02:43.45 | Symbian | excuse me for my poor english |
| 02:43.46 | sussudio | !es |
| 02:43.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:43.49 | Symbian | im spanish |
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| 02:44.22 | Symbian | nobody answer at debian-es |
| 02:45.07 | Symbian | im asking about a backup of an entire OS |
| 02:45.23 | sussudio | !info partimage |
| 02:45.30 | dpkg | partimage: (Linux/UNIX utility to save partitions in a compressed image file), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-10.1 (sid), Packaged size: 210 kB, Installed size: 720 kB |
| 02:45.35 | Wyzard | sussudio: Does partimage handle burning to CD? |
| 02:45.44 | sussudio | Wyzard: nein. |
| 02:45.51 | Symbian | i burned my / in a dvdrom |
| 02:46.00 | Symbian | it will work? |
| 02:46.06 | cafuego | Symbian: no |
| 02:46.13 | MobyTurbo | streetbmx: partimage was listed as orphanted in DWN, incidentally, though of course that doesn't affect current availability. |
| 02:46.15 | sussudio | !info cdbackup |
| 02:46.16 | Symbian | why noT? |
| 02:46.17 | dpkg | cdbackup: (CD-R(W) backup utility), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.7.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | Wyzard: phantasy star! |
| 02:46.25 | MobyTurbo | oops, I mean sussudio |
| 02:46.34 | cafuego | Symbian: Check google for reasons. Mainly file permissions. |
| 02:46.38 | streetbmx | i was about to say |
| 02:46.41 | Symbian | but |
| 02:46.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: hehe... Xeno* first :-) |
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| 02:46.47 | Symbian | using rockridge? |
| 02:46.52 | Symbian | with k3b? |
| 02:46.57 | sussudio | partimage -> k3b. |
| 02:46.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: i made my brother drool with it :) |
| 02:47.01 | MobyTurbo | streetbmx: I seem to be picking on you tonight. ;-) |
| 02:47.01 | Symbian | this mantains the permissions |
| 02:47.17 | wombachi | how does partimage compare to ghost? it only create image files? (no image server using multicast by example?) |
| 02:47.17 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: hit him again |
| 02:47.17 | puter | abrotman, once i'm using sarge, will i still use 'apt-get' ? |
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| 02:47.22 | abrotman | puter: yes |
| 02:47.28 | streetbmx | MobyTurbo: its alright |
| 02:47.33 | nevyn | aptitude is the new black but yeah apt-get still works. |
| 02:47.41 | dvs | puter: no, synaptic ;-) |
| 02:47.43 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: heh |
| 02:47.55 | puter | what's aptitude? |
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| 02:48.03 | nevyn | the new black. |
| 02:48.05 | dvs | puter: a sane dselect |
| 02:48.11 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 02:48.18 | abrotman | puter: a program! |
| 02:48.18 | tarheelcoxn | puter: a nifty frontend for apt-get |
| 02:48.19 | Rebecca | what do i need to do/install to allow xine to play dvds? |
| 02:48.19 | poli | Can I get reliable sarge install .ISOs somewhere? |
| 02:48.28 | Symbian | sussudio sussudio partimage -> k3b what means? |
| 02:48.34 | nevyn | puter: it's a apt-get and apt-cache replacement |
| 02:48.38 | Chris``` | can anyone point me in the right direction for adding ssh user accounts kinda thing |
| 02:48.42 | tarheelcoxn | puter: apt-get install aptitude |
| 02:48.44 | abrotman | !d-i poli |
| 02:48.44 | dpkg | poli, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:48.50 | tarheelcoxn | puter: then man aptitude |
| 02:48.56 | MobyTurbo | aptitude is very good when it works properly, sometimes it decides it needs to delete something that shouldn't be deleted though. |
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| 02:49.07 | nevyn | puter: it supports automatic packages so it keeps track of what you installed and when you remove something it removes the stuff that got pulled in with it. |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: did you order that xeno game? |
| 02:49.12 | poli | abrotman, thanks! |
| 02:49.15 | wombachi | Chris```: man useradd or man adduser |
| 02:49.22 | nevyn | MobyTurbo: mostly when maintainers break a metapackage. |
| 02:49.23 | Chris``` | cheers dude |
| 02:49.26 | Wyzard | yeah, I bought it last night... should be here in a few days, hopefully |
| 02:49.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: gotcha |
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| 02:50.37 | puter | i just did 'aptitude dist-update' and it's going crazy installing new stuff |
| 02:50.50 | puter | or dist-upgrade i think |
| 02:50.59 | dvs | dist-upgrade |
| 02:51.03 | puter | is it upgrading all my packages to the most recent version? |
| 02:51.07 | Kel | ... |
| 02:51.08 | dvs | puter: yes |
| 02:51.11 | Kel | I've never done that before |
| 02:51.15 | dvs | puter: Are you going to sarge? |
| 02:51.17 | Kel | I've only ever used apt-get |
| 02:51.23 | poli | puter, don't forget to lilo after! |
| 02:51.25 | puter | dvs: so it seems |
| 02:51.33 | puter | poli, lilo what? |
| 02:51.43 | dvs | puter: run lilo as root |
| 02:51.45 | puter | is this going to change my boot stuff? |
| 02:51.47 | MobyTurbo | Kel: aptitude dist-upgrade is a lot like the same thing as apt-get, except maybe some more dependencies. |
| 02:51.52 | poli | puter, If you use lilo, just run the /sbin/lilo after the dist-upgrade |
| 02:52.02 | puter | that's all? |
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| 02:52.13 | poli | puter, Pretty much, yes. |
| 02:52.27 | puter | okay. i'll run lilo then. thanks for letting me know |
| 02:52.31 | Kel | and an environment instead of just a command line thinger |
| 02:52.50 | puter | i'm hoping this solves my white-block pointer problem |
| 02:53.03 | MobyTurbo | Kel: yes, it's both. So was dselect for that matter, except dselect was one of the least user-friendly softwares imaginable. |
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| 02:53.20 | Kel | hah... indeed |
| 02:53.45 | puter | did anyone here actually use dselect? |
| 02:53.54 | dvs | puter: I do |
| 02:53.54 | i3dmaster | does anyone know how to exclude packages from apt? |
| 02:54.07 | MobyTurbo | dselect was very powerful, but it's a real pain to use. I no longer use it now that aptitude has matured. |
| 02:54.08 | poli | puter, I use aptitude, gave up dselect long ago. :) |
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| 02:55.28 | puter | heh. i thouhgt dselect was some kind of sick joke |
| 02:55.29 | billyoc | i thought it was some sort of test |
| 02:55.32 | billyoc | which i failed |
| 02:55.34 | Chris``` | cant i do for example "adduser gary /home/gary/ PASSWORD" |
| 02:55.35 | abrotman | damn well should be |
| 02:55.39 | dvs | it's an initiation. |
| 02:55.41 | abrotman | can't work dselect .. can't use debian :) |
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| 02:56.06 | Spark | ahh the joy of learning curves |
| 02:56.15 | Spark | and a brick wall, where intuition should lead :) |
| 02:56.16 | MobyTurbo | puter: I first used it during a woody install, thinking it would select something, I pressed return. Naturally dselect chose "enter" as the exit key and bailed out on me leaving all sorts of poor selections active during the install. |
| 02:56.19 | puter | what's a learning curve? |
| 02:56.19 | bbrazil | Chris```: try useradd, dunno about the password though - not secure to put it on a commandline anyway |
| 02:56.23 | tomb0y | what is suggested method for loading modules? insmod or modprobe ? |
| 02:56.39 | dvs | tomb0y: modprobe for sure |
| 02:57.10 | sussudio | in soviet russia, module probes you |
| 02:57.14 | puter | MobyTurbo, i looked at 'help' to find out how to exit and that was the end of that |
| 02:57.19 | billyoc | lol |
| 02:57.19 | poli | puter, some kind of representation of the time it takes for you to learn something. |
| 02:57.41 | MobyTurbo | puter: I didn't think that the enter key would exit. |
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| 02:57.51 | puter | poli, that was a bad joke on my behalf |
| 02:57.53 | MobyTurbo | puter: I know how to use dselect OK now. |
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| 02:58.22 | puter | MobyTurbo, but why would you if you dont have to? masochism? |
| 02:58.23 | Flixil | Holas |
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| 02:58.33 | Rebecca | when i try to play dvds in xine i get this error: input plugin cannot open MRL [dvd:/] |
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| 02:58.36 | tomb0y | gah, modprobe hpt366 loaded and then locked up my box :/ |
| 02:58.43 | MobyTurbo | puter: I said that I prefer to use aptitude now. It's been months since I've used dselect. |
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| 02:59.12 | pipeline | mwilson: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mwilson/ ? |
| 02:59.19 | puter | MobyTurbo, right. i should have said " why would one.." not "why would you.." |
| 02:59.20 | dvs | puter: l337ness |
| 02:59.31 | MobyTurbo | puter: OK |
| 02:59.36 | puter | ah yes |
| 02:59.57 | puter | 1337h4xor |
| 03:00.14 | Rennegade | *sigh* I think I need to recompile my kernel. Anyone have a good help manual for it? |
| 03:00.31 | dvs | !tell Rennegade about k-p |
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| 03:00.37 | dvs | !tell Rennegade about kp |
| 03:00.54 | slackerz | question for qmail by default does it block null senders for mail from:<> |
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| 03:02.10 | bob2 | slackerz: #qmail |
| 03:02.17 | bob2 | and I hope not, that would be retarded |
| 03:02.19 | slackerz | bob2, their all dead |
| 03:02.25 | slackerz | bob2 i think it does |
| 03:02.26 | slackerz | hehe |
| 03:02.26 | Rennegade | um yeah thanks for that, but I was hoping for a web link or something. I want to do it manually and learn before I do it the easy apt way |
| 03:02.27 | bob2 | you don't just randomly block all bounes |
| 03:02.29 | slackerz | and i agree |
| 03:02.34 | abrotman | qmail is retarded |
| 03:02.36 | bob2 | slackerz: qmail is stupid in a number of ways |
| 03:02.48 | bob2 | slackerz: it accepts mail before checking if it can deliver it |
| 03:02.52 | Starfire | qmail or gmail |
| 03:02.58 | bob2 | so if you send mail to a non-existent address, it BOUNCES |
| 03:03.00 | bob2 | idioto |
| 03:03.03 | slackerz | bob2, im having an issue with it an ISP blocking null sender using qmail so the sourceforge mailing list cant get through |
| 03:03.14 | faw | Starfire, looks like that gmail uses qmail (modified) |
| 03:03.27 | slackerz | its pissing me off |
| 03:03.31 | Starfire | faw ok just wondering lol |
| 03:03.31 | bob2 | slackerz: SF mailing list mail comes from:<>?!? |
| 03:03.37 | slackerz | bob2, im just gonna have to switch |
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| 03:04.01 | slackerz | bob2, sf requires your mails erver to allow null |
| 03:04.16 | slackerz | for the mailing list |
| 03:04.33 | slackerz | it clearly states it in their faq |
| 03:04.42 | slackerz | thats why i dont get emails from sf |
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| 03:04.51 | slackerz | just the mailing list |
| 03:05.10 | buu | slackerz: Why do they do that? |
| 03:05.35 | ale-g0tmilk | hi, how can i write a script with the programs i want fluxbox to automaticaly start when i log in ? |
| 03:05.53 | dondelelcaro | miernik: scsi0 is bus 0 |
| 03:06.00 | buu | ale-g0tmilk: .bashrc, .xinitrc |
| 03:06.01 | bob2 | ale-g0tmilk: ~/.xsession is the file to modify |
| 03:06.07 | buu | oh =[ |
| 03:06.08 | bob2 | ale-g0tmilk: the last line should be "exec fluxbox" |
| 03:06.15 | slackerz | bob2, i just got a response its not default |
| 03:06.15 | bob2 | buu: .xsession instead of .xinitrc on Debian |
| 03:06.24 | slackerz | bob2, theirfore this ISP sux |
| 03:06.27 | bob2 | slackerz: oh, yay |
| 03:06.31 | bob2 | that's some sanity |
| 03:06.33 | ale-g0tmilk | if i use gdm to start it, is it the same ? |
| 03:06.34 | buu | bob2: I'm using .xinitrc on debian =/ |
| 03:06.43 | bob2 | buu: it works, too |
| 03:06.46 | bob2 | ale-g0tmilk: no |
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| 03:06.57 | ale-g0tmilk | hmm ok, then how do i do it? |
| 03:07.21 | bob2 | ale-g0tmilk: make your .xsession run whatever (putting each in the background, ie finish with &) and the last line has to run fluxbos (not in the background) |
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| 03:07.32 | bob2 | X will exit completely when fluxbox does, tho |
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| 03:07.42 | ale-g0tmilk | ok, i'll give it a shot |
| 03:07.53 | buu | bob2: So what's the difference? |
| 03:07.55 | g | hi everyone |
| 03:08.30 | omnistegan | can someone please help me get the nvidia driver installed on 2.6.8-2-686, I'm not having any luck following the tutorial at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 03:08.42 | bob2 | buu: .xinitrc works from xdm and startx |
| 03:09.04 | buu | bob2: Ok.. |
| 03:09.11 | buu | omnistegan: What specific problem are you having? |
| 03:09.20 | g | maybe ,i can ,but my english is very bad |
| 03:09.34 | bob2 | omnistegan: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 03:09.39 | bob2 | (or so I've heard) |
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| 03:09.46 | bucky | omnistegan, is this on amd64 ? |
| 03:09.48 | g | i don't know,how can i express it to you omistegan |
| 03:09.53 | omnistegan | x86 |
| 03:10.04 | slackerz | bob2, im listing this ISP on rfc-ignorant.org |
| 03:10.09 | slackerz | lol |
| 03:10.10 | omnistegan | buu, the module assistant fails so i tried builing manually but it tells me Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate |
| 03:10.19 | buu | er |
| 03:10.35 | Riva | I was wondering, is there a way to delete without it coming back with this is a directory error? also is there a way to delete any folder with a word in it, like if i wanted all folders with fish in it to be deleted, could i do this? |
| 03:10.38 | buu | omnistegan: Are you talking about nvidia geforce/tnt driver thingy from nvidia.com/ |
| 03:10.44 | bob2 | slackerz: hah |
| 03:11.00 | omnistegan | buu, no, look at that link, thats what I'm following |
| 03:11.01 | buu | Riva: rm -rf; *fish* |
| 03:11.06 | buu | omnistegan: Oh, sorry, no idea. |
| 03:11.06 | bob2 | Riva: rm -r blah |
| 03:11.09 | bob2 | buu: gah, no |
| 03:11.14 | buu | bob2: ? |
| 03:11.21 | bob2 | buu: careful with your semicolons |
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| 03:11.51 | buu | bob2: Er, they were two seperate ideas, not a command |
| 03:11.51 | bob2 | oh |
| 03:11.53 | buu | =/' |
| 03:12.10 | Riva | so rm -rf *fish will get rid of them all? |
| 03:12.13 | buu | Would rm -rf; actually do anything? |
| 03:12.28 | bob2 | no |
| 03:12.32 | buu | heh |
| 03:12.36 | buu | Riva: Try it and find out |
| 03:12.43 | bob2 | Riva: it will get rid of all files/dirs matching *fish* in the current dir |
| 03:12.44 | peterS | it had better not |
| 03:12.56 | drp | what's the worst rm command you could run |
| 03:12.57 | buu | s/\*fish\*/*fish/ |
| 03:13.01 | drp | rm -rf / as root |
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| 03:13.10 | buu | drp: Define 'worst' ? |
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| 03:13.18 | drp | uh |
| 03:13.22 | drp | most damag |
| 03:13.24 | drp | e |
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| 03:13.27 | cafuego | drp: sudo chmod 000 / |
| 03:13.27 | drp | in single command |
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| 03:13.33 | samuel | sup all |
| 03:13.43 | samuel | anyone know of any gui front ends to transcode? |
| 03:14.01 | cafuego | drp: Damage or unuseable box? Just deleting libc6 would be a bad idea. |
| 03:14.12 | tarheelcoxn | drp: sudo rm -rf /home/* |
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| 03:14.20 | tarheelcoxn | drp: that would be pretty nasty |
| 03:14.34 | g | samudel ctr+alt+f1 will do |
| 03:14.39 | drp | yeah |
| 03:14.54 | tarheelcoxn | drp: assuming you're trying to damage people and not the machine |
| 03:14.56 | stew | cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda ; can be pretty bad |
| 03:15.10 | cafuego | for i in `seq 1 10000`; do dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/root bs=1M count=1 seek=$RANDOM; done |
| 03:15.18 | drp | cafuego: would you have to reformat/reinstall with that command |
| 03:15.35 | cafuego | drp: No, you would with the second one though. |
| 03:15.59 | g | who can share a update adress,i'm in asia |
| 03:16.04 | cafuego | Writing 1Mb blocks of random data to random parts of the disk. |
| 03:16.05 | drp | ewww |
| 03:16.49 | Chris``` | night all . cheers to every1 who helped me |
| 03:17.03 | i3dmaster | Does anyone know how to exclude packages from apt????? |
| 03:17.23 | bob2 | i3dmaster: a) explain better, b) use les question marks |
| 03:17.23 | g | # help |
| 03:17.33 | bionikal | after 3 failed attempts /me is trying debian again |
| 03:17.34 | cafuego | #appears as ANNA |
| 03:17.45 | tarheelcoxn | bob2: _fewer_ question marks ;) |
| 03:17.58 | i3dmaster | ok sorry. since I ask several times and no one seems to know |
| 03:18.23 | pipeline | i3dmaster: Well, you're not being very clear. What do you actually want to know? |
| 03:18.58 | i3dmaster | currently I have 3 packages which has older version, so apt is trying to upgrade them for me everything, but I don't want to upgrade them, so is there a way that I can exclude them? |
| 03:19.20 | dvs | i3dmaster: YOu want to HOLD them, not exclude them |
| 03:19.25 | bob2 | i3dmaster: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 03:20.05 | i3dmaster | ok well whatever blocks them from being upgraded |
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| 03:20.19 | i3dmaster | bob2: so dpkg hold cmd will do? |
| 03:20.25 | cafuego | i3dmaster: Just put 'em on hold. |
| 03:20.56 | bob2 | i3dmaster: yes |
| 03:21.03 | PitchForkLinux | can someone help me/guide me in setting up a raid0 configuration in the debian sarge installation screens? |
| 03:21.08 | i3dmaster | cafuego, sorry how to put them on hold... sorry I am a newbie |
| 03:21.14 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: raid0 is bad. you will not use it. |
| 03:21.29 | PitchForkLinux | once that is set up I want to install deb sarge onto the raid device |
| 03:21.38 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: raid0 is BAD |
| 03:21.42 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: Don't use it. |
| 03:21.46 | i3dmaster | bob2: ok I will try this cmd |
| 03:21.58 | cafuego | i3dmaster: you echo the command into 'dpkg --set-selections' |
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| 03:22.23 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: if you want to perge multiple disks into one, use LVM, not raid0. |
| 03:22.28 | cafuego | merge, too. |
| 03:22.38 | buu | cafuego: But raid0 is fasterz0r! You gain 5mhz |
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| 03:22.42 | p8m | hey |
| 03:22.55 | PitchForkLinux | ok. I'm trying to set up two harddrives as contiguous drives, they don't have to stripped |
| 03:23.07 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: With raid0, your entire system will stop working if one disk fails. it has *no* reduncancy. |
| 03:23.15 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: LVM it is, then. |
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| 03:23.29 | PitchForkLinux | ok help me establish lvm then |
| 03:23.41 | PitchForkLinux | within the sarge installer of course |
| 03:23.49 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: I'd even partition 'em and use rai1 for the system (5 Gb of something) and use the remaining space for LVM. |
| 03:23.59 | pipeline | PitchForkLinux: LVM has two advantages over RAID0: You can recover some of your data if it breaks and you can migrate to RAID-1 later |
| 03:24.14 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: The installer will guide you though making volume groups, it should be straightforward. (raid1 is anyway). |
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| 03:24.29 | pipeline | PitchForkLinux: You'll figure out the LVM thing in the installer pretty quickly |
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| 03:25.48 | PitchForkLinux | ok. I know the first step is to create an empty partition on each drive and assign it as an lvm. However do I first create about 5 gig of space for / and swap on the first drive? |
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| 03:26.25 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: I'd create 5Gb raid autodetect on each driver and 512Mb swap, the rest LVM. |
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| 03:26.44 | scorphus | [Off-topic] what should I do to gain voice on #freenode? |
| 03:26.44 | mythtv | hello everyone |
| 03:26.46 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: You can then combine the 2x5GB raid autodetect as a SINGLE 5 GB raid / |
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| 03:26.54 | mythtv | i need some help with mysql |
| 03:26.55 | buu | scorphus: spam an operator! |
| 03:26.56 | PitchForkLinux | what is raid autodetect |
| 03:27.09 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: So IF a disk dies, the system remains useable (although some data will probably disappear). |
| 03:27.12 | scorphus | buu: that's not a good idea |
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| 03:27.41 | buu | scorphus: Hang around till someone voices you, message an op and ask, message random people who already have voice and ask |
| 03:28.05 | PitchForkLinux | ok once I set this up where do I make my partitions at? on the lvm? |
| 03:28.19 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: You make the partitions in the partman dialog. |
| 03:28.24 | scorphus | thx |
| 03:28.27 | Darien | scorphus: people get voiced automatically after a certain time period |
| 03:28.32 | PitchForkLinux | when I say partitions I'm talking about / swap /usr /home |
| 03:28.33 | davidc__ | Got a quck question for you all, when dpkg tries to configure apache, it dies with the following: Number found where operator expected at -e line 4, near "s,^\s*Port.*,Port 80,443". Any idea how to fix that? |
| 03:28.35 | Darien | just chill and you'll get tagged eventually |
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| 03:29.07 | PitchForkLinux | I'm actually asking where do I physically locate those |
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| 03:29.53 | peterS | davidc__: ohhh. it wasn't expecting "80,443" there, it was expecting a single port number |
| 03:29.55 | cafuego | PitchForkLinux: keep /var and /usr on / - no seperate partitions. Symlink /home to the LVM after you mount that. |
| 03:29.58 | mythtv | is this the right place for me to ask for help with mysql? |
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| 03:30.14 | bjr223 | Hi, I need some guidance on installing sound drivers on my system |
| 03:30.22 | cafuego | mythtv: Yes, but it's not the right place to ask for help with asking for help for mysql. |
| 03:30.31 | buu | peterS: Lack of \Q =[ |
| 03:30.36 | mythtv | lol |
| 03:30.36 | bionikal | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.37 | PitchForkLinux | ok I'll work with that info for now |
| 03:30.42 | bionikal | whats more preffered? |
| 03:30.43 | PitchForkLinux | thanks |
| 03:30.44 | peterS | buu: would \Q save you from the regex delimiter? |
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| 03:30.46 | buu | bionikal: ratpoison |
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| 03:30.54 | buu | peterS: If you're interpo.. good question |
| 03:30.55 | bionikal | thaught so thanls |
| 03:30.58 | mythtv | ok well here goes i am trying to figure out how to setup mythtv and having problems with mysql |
| 03:31.01 | pipeline | bionikal: KDE is a desktop environment. GDM is a display manager. Even if you're using KDE, you probably want to install and use gdm. |
| 03:31.01 | buu | bionikal: You're welcome |
| 03:31.13 | omnistegan | can somebody here help me get the Nvidia graphics driver install on a 2.6.8-2-686 under debian? I found a tutorial at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html but I can't seem to get anything there to work |
| 03:31.20 | mythtv | when i do a mysql -u root says access denied for user: 'root@localhost' |
| 03:31.20 | FarrisG | Does anyone know where the config for the "Remote Desktop" feature in gnome is kept? I think it uses vino, but I'm not sure |
| 03:31.21 | peterS | buu: presumably this is a variable being interpolated, to answer your question (: |
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| 03:31.30 | pipeline | omnistegan: http://people.debian.org/~rdonald |
| 03:31.36 | cafuego | mythtv: You need the password too. 'mysql -u root -p' |
| 03:31.39 | buu | peterS: Well, it's getting eval'd apparently |
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| 03:31.57 | buu | peterS: "perl -le's,foo,$bar'"; |
| 03:32.04 | danikata | hi all |
| 03:32.11 | buu | peterS: $foo="/"; s/foo/$foo/; #works fine, obviously |
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| 03:32.41 | g | hi all |
| 03:32.41 | peterS | buu: ahhh - so you think the interpolation is happening in sh rather than in perl |
| 03:32.42 | omnistegan | pipeline: there is nothing for a 2.6 kernel there |
| 03:32.47 | danikata | how to add usb drive after installation? |
| 03:32.53 | buu | peterS: Yeah, otherwise the error message would display the variable |
| 03:32.58 | cafuego | danikata: plug it in, mount it. |
| 03:33.01 | davidc__ | peterS: Thanks. I figured it might be something like that, but only checked in my httpd.conf... changing it in some dpkg created temp file fixed it. |
| 03:33.01 | buu | Instead of the interpolated contents |
| 03:33.04 | i3dmaster | bob2: dpkg hold seems not correct |
| 03:33.13 | peterS | davidc__: ah, good deal |
| 03:33.15 | pipeline | omnistegan: Scroll down to the part about "unofficial packages" |
| 03:33.45 | bjr223 | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 - is that the correct kernel for Athlon XP Systems? |
| 03:33.49 | buu | peterS: And no, \Q doesn't escape the s/// quote char =[ |
| 03:33.52 | bob2 | i3dmaster: ... |
| 03:33.54 | mythtv | ahhh makes sense |
| 03:33.56 | mythtv | that worked |
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| 03:34.03 | peterS | buu: a pity |
| 03:34.03 | i3dmaster | cafuego: can you give me a simple example? I could not figure out how to use that -set-selections |
| 03:34.06 | pipeline | omnistegan: http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/modules-unstable/i386/ |
| 03:34.06 | buu | peterS: Yah |
| 03:34.30 | buu | peterS: It would be kind of complicated to parse if it did =] |
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| 03:34.50 | Rennegade | bjr223:That is what I have |
| 03:35.00 | chaps0063 | Rennegade, thanks. |
| 03:35.03 | Rebecca | anyone know how to fix this error? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/missbecca/snapshot2.png |
| 03:35.08 | peterS | buu: indeed, the regex engine would have to step into the parse stream |
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| 03:35.14 | buu | Yeah |
| 03:35.31 | chaps0063 | Rennegade, do you happen to have a board with nforce audio? |
| 03:35.33 | i3dmaster | bob2: hold is just a mark flag... |
| 03:35.42 | bob2 | i3dmaster: indeed |
| 03:35.46 | bob2 | i3dmaster: which apt respects |
| 03:35.47 | Rennegade | chaps0063: no. SLi |
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| 03:35.54 | chaps0063 | Rennegade, ok, thanks. |
| 03:36.06 | cafuego | i3dmaster: echo "libc6 hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 03:36.26 | chaps0063 | Rennegade, kernel upgrade is just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7? |
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| 03:36.49 | i3dmaster | cafuego: ok this is making much more sense. |
| 03:36.52 | Rennegade | chaps0063: I dont know. I am working on recompiling manually now |
| 03:36.56 | chaps0063 | ic. |
| 03:36.58 | slackerz | guys how do you pronounce debian ? |
| 03:37.14 | peterS | slackerz: deb, ian. two people's names. |
| 03:37.32 | i3dmaster | cafuego: so I need to do this for each package |
| 03:37.35 | cafuego | slackerz: Some with our mouths, other by farting in tune. |
| 03:37.44 | cafuego | i3dmaster: For each one you want to hold, yes. |
| 03:38.05 | slackerz | lol |
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| 03:38.13 | mythtv | cafuego: now i'm trying to mysqladmin -u root -h dvr password 'password' and getting 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost.localdomain' (Using password: YES)' |
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| 03:38.31 | rixth_afk | Here's a line from my Apache log, if the page accessed is /www/awstats.pl?config=test?mainrage=left-right how can I remove that line, filtering with awstats does not work becsaue it is surrounded by other things. How can I tell grep to remove it? |
| 03:38.36 | peterS | Rebecca: I think the DVD comes with multiple audio streams and xine doesn't recognise them all |
| 03:38.53 | cafuego | mythtv: mysqladmin -u root -h dvr password 'password' is now what I typed earlier. |
| 03:38.55 | peterS | Rebecca: it really should have at least one type of audio that totem/xine *does* know about - you're saying it doesn't work? |
| 03:38.57 | cafuego | s/now/not/ |
| 03:39.08 | Grey | I'm trying to help a friend get X11 working on his computer, he's a linux newb, and I'm a slackware user for a while now, but a debian newb, He's using the 2.2.20-idepci kernel, (Default, I would assume), and his USB drivers are not loaded? |
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| 03:39.24 | pipeline | Grey: install sarge instead of that ancient crap |
| 03:39.25 | mythtv | so it would be mysqladmin -u root -p -h dvr password='passwrod' |
| 03:39.30 | dvs | Grey: Get a better kernel: 2.4.18 |
| 03:39.33 | Grey | ok, |
| 03:39.36 | buu | rixth_afk: Learn perl, write a perl script! |
| 03:39.38 | Grey | so it IS an out of date version? |
| 03:39.43 | pipeline | mythtv: mythtv has its own scripts to set up mysql for you. Don't worry about it. |
| 03:39.46 | samuel | what program would i use if i want to make a big video smaller? i want to make a dvdrip to put into a palm device? |
| 03:39.50 | Rebecca | peterS: should i try a different dvd? |
| 03:39.52 | mythtv | tried that and it didn't work |
| 03:39.53 | pipeline | samuel: transcode |
| 03:39.56 | i3dmaster | cafuego: great. This works. I am hoping if apt can have a flag like --exclude=xxx package names, or give a exclude file that we can put in the package list, that would be great |
| 03:40.04 | peterS | Rebecca: yeah. it'd be good to know if it's just the one |
| 03:40.09 | samuel | pipeline, thanks |
| 03:40.10 | Grey | I wasnt sure, I heard debian was ahh... conservative :P I did not know if this was normal or not, Slackware uses a 2.4.28 kernel by default now :P |
| 03:40.22 | pipeline | Grey: You're just using a really, really, really old version of debian. |
| 03:40.23 | mythtv | pipeline: even when you compile mythtv from cvs? |
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| 03:40.33 | Rennegade | Grey:2.6.11 |
| 03:40.39 | dvs | Grey: sarge used 2.4.27 by default for i386 |
| 03:40.40 | pipeline | mythtv: Presumably. I would just go get the Unstable packages from the unofficial site. |
| 03:40.45 | Grey | pipeline, not "I", my friend, lol, this is not a cry for help anonymously, (IRC is anonymous enough for me thanks), |
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| 03:41.15 | Rebecca | peterS: same errors when i tried another dvd |
| 03:41.23 | Grey | any easy way to update to the latest version? or just format/reload |
| 03:41.27 | peterS | Rebecca: same audio stream types that it didn't recognise? |
| 03:41.29 | Yoshimo | hello, i need some help |
| 03:41.46 | g | what's that? |
| 03:41.47 | Rennegade | Grey: In debian I believe there is an apt command to do it |
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| 03:41.51 | Yoshimo | im trying to make a dual boot between debian and windows XP |
| 03:42.06 | Grey | anyone happen to know what that command is? |
| 03:42.16 | Rebecca | peterS: yup |
| 03:42.18 | pipeline | Grey: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, comment out lines referring to security updates, substitute "sarge" for "woody" and "testing" for "stable" everywhere you see it |
| 03:42.23 | Rennegade | !tell Grey kp |
| 03:42.26 | pipeline | Grey: Then run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 03:42.37 | dvs | Grey: Just the kernel right? |
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| 03:42.49 | Grey | oh, |
| 03:42.53 | Grey | why no security updates? |
| 03:43.05 | peterS | Rebecca: wish I knew anything about such things. what version number does 'dpkg -l libxine1' show? |
| 03:43.06 | pipeline | Grey: Sarge isn't released yet, so there aren't any updates. |
| 03:43.08 | Grey | oh |
| 03:43.09 | Grey | neat |
| 03:43.15 | pipeline | Grey: security updates are just merged into the main tree |
| 03:43.17 | g | Yoshimo I don't think ,it will be difficlut |
| 03:43.29 | Grey | ok, |
| 03:43.31 | Yoshimo | i made a partition |
| 03:43.40 | Grey | Hmm... I see nothing that say's woody or sarge? Just main and stable? |
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| 03:43.47 | Yoshimo | but when i start up the intall |
| 03:43.53 | buu | Grey: s/stable/testing/ |
| 03:43.57 | heloo | chris here is my entire make.conf |
| 03:43.57 | heloo | CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" |
| 03:43.57 | heloo | CFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -02 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" |
| 03:43.57 | heloo | CXXFLAGS=-march=pentium3 -02 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" |
| 03:43.58 | heloo | MAKEOPTS="-j2" |
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| 03:44.01 | Yoshimo | it doesnt recognize any hard drives |
| 03:44.02 | buu | wow |
| 03:44.13 | buu | debhelper++ =] |
| 03:44.32 | Grey | Bu5H, Ok, so Change everywhere that say's stable to testing? |
| 03:44.36 | g | Yoshimo debian? |
| 03:44.39 | bsd1 | hi, friends! |
| 03:44.45 | Yoshimo | r4 |
| 03:44.46 | cafuego | What are you comiling? |
| 03:44.59 | bsd1 | anyone out there using *caudium* |
| 03:45.03 | g | i'm sorry |
| 03:45.03 | mythtv | ahhhh finally damnit it works |
| 03:45.04 | g | r4? |
| 03:45.13 | mythtv | thanks for your help guys |
| 03:45.16 | Yoshimo | i thought you were asking teh version |
| 03:45.18 | Grey | err, yeah |
| 03:45.19 | Grey | Ok, so Change everywhere that say's stable to testing? |
| 03:45.21 | Yoshimo | its 3.0r4 |
| 03:45.24 | buu | yes |
| 03:45.27 | Yoshimo | i believe |
| 03:45.29 | buu | Then do dist-upgrade and such |
| 03:46.07 | g | you have get the xp? |
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| 03:46.24 | Yoshimo | i have xp already installed |
| 03:46.38 | Yoshimo | and now im trying to install debian |
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| 03:46.47 | i3dmaster | cafuego and bob2: thank you guys very much |
| 03:46.48 | Grey | buu, see... the "And Such" part? what does that mean? I am NOT a debian user myself, I would assume running lilo, and rebooting? anything else? |
| 03:47.03 | buu | Grey: Er, no, I just meant: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:47.28 | Grey | that'll do :) |
| 03:47.29 | Grey | ty |
| 03:47.39 | buu | Grey: After that you should be able to install a more recent kernel via: apt-get install kernel-image-*something*, use apt-cache search kernel-image; to locate an appropiate image |
| 03:47.57 | buu | Grey: And that install screen will tell you if anything beyond that is necessary. |
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| 03:49.38 | poon | hey |
| 03:50.01 | bsd1 | Plz help me in enabling php4 for caudium |
| 03:50.15 | rixth_afk | Here's a line from my Apache log, if the page accessed is /www/awstats.pl?config=test?mainrage=left-right how can I remove that line, filtering with awstats does not work becsaue it is surrounded by other things. How can I tell grep to remove it? And buu, Perl isn't the solution for me, not yet :) |
| 03:50.57 | Flimzy | rixth_afk, man grep |
| 03:51.07 | Yoshimo | is there no one that can help me? When trying to install Debian it tells me it doesnt recognize any hard drives |
| 03:51.13 | Yoshimo | why would it do that? |
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| 03:51.32 | rixth_afk | Filmzy, no, I have looked, trust me. It does not work becasue it treats /www/awstats.pl?config=test?mainrage=left-right as one word. |
| 03:52.00 | Flimzy | rixth_afk, grep has no concept of 'words' |
| 03:52.03 | i3dmaster | cafuego: Another question. Have you used deb-install before? this guy by default install package to /usr/local but I want to configure it to install package to /usr |
| 03:52.12 | rixth_afk | Filmzy, strings, then. |
| 03:52.14 | Flimzy | Yoshimo, b/c you have an unsupported hard disk controller, most likely. |
| 03:52.20 | Flimzy | rixth_afk, grep has no understanding of 'strings' |
| 03:52.30 | Yoshimo | is there nothing i can do about it? |
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| 03:52.38 | rixth_afk | Filmzy. You know what I mean. |
| 03:52.42 | Flimzy | Yoshimo, Well, you can start by determining what kind of network card you're using |
| 03:52.49 | Flimzy | rixth_afk, No... I think you have no clue what you're talking about. |
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| 03:52.57 | Yoshimo | how would that help? |
| 03:53.04 | Flimzy | Yoshimo, er... not network.... HD controller |
| 03:53.11 | Flimzy | Yoshimo, Is it a RAID card? |
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| 03:53.22 | Yoshimo | ya, im pretty sure |
| 03:53.29 | bsd1 | Yoshimo: do you have some live-CD like Knoppix etc? |
| 03:53.30 | Flimzy | Yoshimo, Well then you're on the right track. |
| 03:53.39 | rixth_afk | Filmzy, don't be a prick. When I asked this earlier, everyone who answered knew what I meant, no one could get it to work, however. |
| 03:53.52 | Yoshimo | no..live CD? |
| 03:53.57 | flow | what is the name of the program that creates md5 checksums for all your binaries so that later you can check to see if they've been altered in anyway? |
| 03:54.24 | Flimzy | rixth, Well, if I understand your problem correctly... and you want to look thru a log file, eleminating results matching <foo>, then man grep will tell you exactly what you need to do. And still, grep has no concept of words, strings, or any other such thing. |
| 03:54.32 | Flimzy | flow, md5sum |
| 03:54.44 | flow | ok thanks i feel dumb now ;) |
| 03:55.28 | bionikal | hey people, debians giving me a 'no screens found message when trying to start X. its a fresh install |
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| 03:55.40 | Flimzy | bionikal, Then X is improperly configured |
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| 03:55.55 | flow | actually its debsums ...or thats all i can find |
| 03:55.57 | bsd1 | Yoshimo: It is better now a days to test/check hardware compatibility with Live-CD (Bootable-CD) before you install Linux |
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| 03:56.17 | Flimzy | flow: I don't know about debsums... but I know that md5sum will give you the md5 sum of file(s) |
| 03:56.26 | bionikal | the config should be /etc/X11/xorg.conf right? |
| 03:56.41 | pipeline | bionikal: You can reconfigure X with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
| 03:56.43 | Flimzy | bionikal, I've never used xorg... but that's probably reasonable if you're using x.org |
| 03:56.52 | buu | rixth: Duh, learn perl |
| 03:56.56 | pipeline | bionikal: And no, it shouldn't be xorg.conf unless you're not using Debian. In which case, find a channel for the distribution you ARE using. |
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| 03:57.30 | bionikal | i am using debian, first time user, ive been using suse and mandrake and,.. fedora. and they have always been xorg.conf |
| 03:57.37 | drewcore | anyone know which ISO the debian jr files are on? |
| 03:57.59 | Flimzy | what is debian jr? |
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| 03:58.09 | drewcore | debian junior is a collection of programs for children |
| 03:58.11 | bsd1 | Yoshimo: you can boot off from Knoppix, Gnoppix and Mepis CD directly |
| 03:58.11 | Flimzy | bionikal, Debian doesn't use x.org (at least not yet) |
| 03:58.18 | bionikal | ok |
| 03:58.20 | pipeline | bionikal: Debian still uses XFree86 4.3 with a ton of patches to update it. |
| 03:58.23 | Flimzy | drewcore, ah... I dunno. Is it even part of the official debian distro? |
| 03:58.24 | drewcore | i have some on this box, but the kid keeps bugging me to play "paint" while i'm trying to work |
| 03:58.41 | i3dmaster | Anyone use deb-install this tool? |
| 03:58.43 | drewcore | Flimzy, it's a Custom Debian Distrobution |
| 03:58.46 | Flimzy | drewcore, If it is, it's probably on multiple CDs, based on popularity of the specific packages |
| 03:58.57 | Flimzy | drewcore, If it's a custom Debian distro, then it won't be on any Debian ISO... duh |
| 03:59.06 | drewcore | shut up! :) |
| 03:59.15 | Flimzy | drewcore, ? |
| 03:59.24 | drewcore | Flimzy, i'm just kidding |
| 03:59.29 | pipeline | bionikal: X configuration is handled through debconf, so the command line I fed you a moment ago should reconfigure it by prompting you for answers |
| 03:59.31 | drewcore | i just want to make this little kid happy |
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| 04:00.12 | pipeline | drewcore, Flimzy: Yeah, it's officially Debian, but I don't think the junior-* packages are necessarily bunched together on any one disc :( |
| 04:00.33 | drewcore | Flimzy, the box i'm trying to put it on doesn't have network connectivity... is there a way to install a .deb file from the local filesystem? if so, i'll just copy the .debs i need to a cd then install them off that |
| 04:00.45 | Flimzy | drewcore, sure. man dpkg |
| 04:01.05 | drewcore | Flimzy, okay... here goes another hour or so... |
| 04:01.05 | pipeline | drewcore: Yeah, it's actually really easy. "dpkg -i <name of deb file>" |
| 04:01.15 | drewcore | pipeline thanks |
| 04:01.19 | Flimzy | pipeline, don't spoonfeed |
| 04:01.23 | pipeline | drewcore: alternatively, you can actually make a repository disc |
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| 04:01.33 | bionikal | the config command is workign so far :) thanks |
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| 04:01.35 | drewcore | Flimzy, you're just too cool of a hacker |
| 04:01.38 | pipeline | Flimzy: It was a simple question with a simple answer. "man dpkg" is a non-answer. |
| 04:01.40 | drewcore | Flimzy, jk |
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| 04:01.55 | Flimzy | pipeline, man dpkg points to the answer |
| 04:02.08 | drewcore | Flizy, pipeline: don't fight guys |
| 04:02.08 | pipeline | Flimzy: the dpkg tool does many, many things that are unrelated to his simple task. The man page is what, twenty pages long? That's ridiculous and needlessly confusing. |
| 04:02.28 | drewcore | Flizy, pipeline: guys, don't fight... it makes me nervous |
| 04:02.28 | Flimzy | pipeline, that's why you use a pager with search abilities |
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| 04:02.32 | dondelelcaro | Actions: dpkg -i | --install package_file... |
| 04:02.41 | Flimzy | drewcore, It's okay... we're adults, we won't really hurt each other :P |
| 04:02.45 | bionikal | ok, its configured and im still getting the (EE) screen(s) found but none have a usable config message |
| 04:03.09 | drewcore | pipeline, btw... i'm familiar enough with linux to discern what i need to do from a man file... but i honestly appreciate your "cutting to the chase" |
| 04:03.11 | pipeline | bionikal: Still something wrong with your configuration. Try again. |
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| 04:03.36 | bionikal | it should be fine though :( |
| 04:03.46 | drewcore | Flimzy, pipeline: thx for the help guys |
| 04:04.10 | drewcore | pipeline: you mentioned making a repository disc? |
| 04:05.11 | bionikal | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for4 driver 0 |
| 04:05.14 | pipeline | drewcore: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 04:05.21 | drewcore | pipeline thx |
| 04:05.23 | pipeline | drewcore: If you make a disc that is also a repository, you should be able to load it with apt-cdrom |
| 04:05.35 | bionikal | i even changed the driver to VGA with 16 bit color |
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| 04:05.45 | drewcore | pipeline: sweet |
| 04:05.51 | pipeline | bionikal: Are you using the right graphics driver? |
| 04:06.04 | bionikal | im using 'vga' |
| 04:06.08 | pipeline | bionikal: It's also possible that your graphics card doesn't support 16 bit color. |
| 04:06.17 | pipeline | bionikal: What card do you have? |
| 04:06.23 | bionikal | its a geforce 2 GO, it rins farcry |
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| 04:06.34 | bionikal | runs* |
| 04:06.39 | pipeline | bionikal: You want the "nv" driver, then. |
| 04:07.00 | g | i can't find my cdorom ,who can help me? |
| 04:07.00 | pipeline | bionikal: when it asks for the amount of graphics memory, leave the entry blank |
| 04:07.01 | bionikal | ok i'll try again |
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| 04:07.10 | bionikal | i already did that |
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| 04:07.14 | Flimzy | g: did you look at the front of your PC? |
| 04:07.33 | g | no ,i can't find it on my system |
| 04:07.56 | pipeline | g: What are you trying to do that you can't do? |
| 04:08.09 | staniel | g: do you see that fancy cup holder? |
| 04:08.09 | bionikal | ok,now iml getting the (EE) screen(s) found but none have a usable config message again |
| 04:08.33 | g | i want to make my cdrom work on debian |
| 04:08.46 | g | but,i can't find it on my system |
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| 04:08.54 | pipeline | bionikal: There's still something wrong with your configuration file. Are there any other interesting errors? You can look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log for more detailed information. |
| 04:08.55 | staniel | g: mount /cdrom? |
| 04:09.09 | g | no help |
| 04:09.17 | staniel | g: what does it say? |
| 04:09.43 | g | not a right block |
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| 04:10.17 | bionikal | ok, i just realised something that may be causing issues |
| 04:10.41 | staniel | g: what kind of cd do you have in the drive? is it a audio/data/video? |
| 04:10.46 | bionikal | whats my video cards bus identifyer? |
| 04:10.58 | ApEtc | lspci will tell you |
| 04:11.01 | bob2 | leave it blank |
| 04:11.03 | pipeline | bionikal: Are you using a mac? |
| 04:11.04 | cafuego | bionikal: Did you read the bit on screen that said "just hit return" ? |
| 04:11.09 | pipeline | bionikal: If you're not using a mac, leave it blank |
| 04:11.31 | bionikal | framebuffer? |
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| 04:11.37 | bionikal | yes or no |
| 04:11.37 | cafuego | no |
| 04:12.08 | g | no body know why? |
| 04:12.13 | g | i go |
| 04:12.25 | bionikal | well. |
| 04:12.25 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:12.25 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 04:12.31 | bionikal | theres good news and bad nes |
| 04:12.35 | bionikal | news* |
| 04:12.44 | bionikal | the good news is it didnt report any errors |
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| 04:12.51 | CharlesBrown | What is a good client program, to manage my proxy connections...Like a proxy connection to irc, http, ftp, aim..etc. |
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| 04:13.05 | bionikal | the bad news is its fuzzy and really not displaying anything |
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| 04:13.20 | cafuego | How are you starting X? |
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| 04:13.29 | bionikal | startx |
| 04:13.38 | cafuego | Do you have a window manager? |
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| 04:14.03 | bionikal | kdm, gdm and xwindows |
| 04:14.17 | cafuego | I'll take that as a "no" then. |
| 04:14.28 | bionikal | what? |
| 04:14.47 | pipeline | bionikal: Install gdm and "gnome-desktop-environment" or "kdecore" |
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| 04:15.15 | bionikal | ok |
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| 04:15.29 | bionikal | why would x start if they werent installed? |
| 04:16.28 | doleyb | bionikal: x doesn't really need any of those, they're all optional. |
| 04:16.31 | linuxn00b | my scroll wheel doesn't function on my wireless intelimouse explorer 2.0 |
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| 04:18.38 | dabreegster | I've got two problems. First, I accidentally deleted my /etc/init.d/rc and shutdown/reboot is acting screwy. How do I regenerate/re-get it? I'm on Sarge. |
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| 04:18.51 | dabreegster | I've got two problems. First, I accidentally deleted my /etc/init.d/rc and shutdown/reboot is acting screwy. How do I regenerate/re-get it? I'm on Sarge. |
| 04:19.30 | tomb0y | anyone know what this means? PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 00:1f.1 |
| 04:20.15 | dabreegster | My second question: I need more space on /boot. Can I resize my large home drive to be about 15MB smaller and add that space to boot wit cfdisk? Is it dangerous? Should I backup? |
| 04:20.23 | shadow98 | how do i configure reconfigure x |
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| 04:21.07 | dabreegster | shadow98: dpkg-reconfigure x-window-xfree |
| 04:21.11 | dabreegster | shadow98: wait, no |
| 04:21.18 | dabreegster | shadow98: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:21.21 | BadMan | shadow98: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:21.28 | davidc__ | dabreegster: Umm, resizing with cfdisk would involve destroying all data on the partition... |
| 04:21.45 | dabreegster | davidc__: oh. So, how can I add more space to boot? |
| 04:22.02 | BadMan | dabreegster: best way is to reduce swap and enlarge boot |
| 04:22.07 | shadow98 | thanks |
| 04:22.25 | davidc__ | BadMan: That assumes boot + swap are contiguous |
| 04:22.41 | BadMan | davidc__: true... |
| 04:22.53 | dabreegster | BadMan: I dont have a swap partition. In fact, I forgot that, so I had to make a swap file on my large /home. |
| 04:23.03 | BadMan | ouch |
| 04:23.07 | davidc__ | yeah. Ouch |
| 04:23.14 | davidc__ | can you say fragmented swap file? |
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| 04:23.52 | BadMan | I made a sep part for each of the /boot, /, /tmp, /var, /usr, and /home |
| 04:23.57 | dabreegster | Also, where can I get another /etc/init.d/rc script? I lost mine accidentally. I'm on sarge. |
| 04:24.15 | dabreegster | BadMan: I rushed through some of the installation. I see my mistake now. |
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| 04:24.38 | BadMan | well, if you aint to attached, I suggest doing it again |
| 04:24.39 | davidc__ | dabreegster: yeah... I suggest backup and reinstall.... |
| 04:25.08 | dabreegster | That's a lot of trouble to go through. I'll just deal with it. |
| 04:25.13 | keta | dabreegster: try reinstall sysv-rc package |
| 04:25.19 | dabreegster | keta: thanks |
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| 04:26.00 | keta | dabreegster: dpkg -S to know which package a file belogs to |
| 04:26.08 | pipeline | shadow98: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 04:26.28 | pipeline | shadow98: the dexconf part is important in order to generate a fresh file, as debconf will not make changes to a file that you have modified by hand. |
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| 04:27.16 | BadMan | dabreegster: the problem with that is if you dont have a large nough /boot you may not be able to install newer kernels etc... |
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| 04:27.25 | davidc__ | how big is your /boot anyways? |
| 04:27.31 | dabreegster | davidc__: 15M |
| 04:27.36 | keta | pipeline: dexconf is a shortcut to the md5-sum thing is explained in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 comments? |
| 04:27.42 | davidc__ | dabreegster: you should be able to fit everything in that |
| 04:27.56 | dabreegster | davidc__: I've got 2 kernels, GRUB, a grub splashimage (I'm about to remove it), and I'm trying to install some image files for debsplash |
| 04:28.04 | pipeline | keta: dexconf generates a fresh file from the debconf keys. the md5-sum thing just makes debconf modify your modified file further. |
| 04:28.21 | davidc__ | ah.... why not just move the kernels to your root partition |
| 04:28.27 | davidc__ | and have grub boot them from there? |
| 04:28.33 | davidc__ | its an ugly way, but it will work |
| 04:28.46 | BadMan | Mine is excessive but I will never have to worry /dev/hda1 405M 15M 369M 4% /boot |
| 04:28.48 | keta | pipeline: neat, thanks. |
| 04:29.05 | dabreegster | davidc__: perhaps... so move kernels to some directory on root partition and tell grub to look there? it'll mount the drive and everything? |
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| 04:29.13 | spo0nman | is there support for suspend to RAM on the kernel? which version? is there a patch? |
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| 04:29.20 | pipeline | spo0nman: Sort of, sometimes. |
| 04:29.26 | pipeline | spo0nman: Or do you mean APM/ACPI? |
| 04:29.43 | pipeline | spo0nman: the key word for OS-controlled suspend to ram is "swsusp" |
| 04:29.47 | davidc__ | dabreegster: if you do it right, it should. My server has kernels on its root partition as I didn't know linux when I set it up... |
| 04:29.55 | pipeline | spo0nman: Typically, though, all you have to do is enable apm and install the apm utility |
| 04:29.59 | spo0nman | pipeline: yeah! APM. Basically I want to make sure the hdd is off when i move my box around./ |
| 04:30.09 | dabreegster | davidc__: I'll give it a shot. I've always got my Knoppix backup cd |
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| 04:30.24 | pipeline | spo0nman: Yeah, just add "acpi=off apm=on" to your kernel arguments, reboot, and use apm as you would normally (fn-A on my dell) |
| 04:30.28 | davidc__ | dabreegster: yeah, you can leave your existing grub entrys as a backup as well |
| 04:30.37 | dabreegster | true that |
| 04:31.06 | spo0nman | pipeline: hmm and the disk wont be activated till? |
| 04:32.10 | HeavyD | Can anybody tell me what the name of the applet/application that is running on this Debian machine along the right side of the screen that has all sorts of various system/other information on it? LINK: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Screenshot-6.png |
| 04:32.23 | Iron | gkrellm? |
| 04:32.38 | Iron | no |
| 04:32.38 | pipeline | spo0nman: Depends on your BIOS. APM is entirely controlled by the BIOS; the OS just triggers hooks. |
| 04:32.41 | Iron | karamba |
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| 04:33.04 | pipeline | spo0nman: ACPI gives the OS a lot more control, but it's a lot buggier. |
| 04:33.27 | pipeline | HeavyD: looks like gdesklet crap |
| 04:33.27 | spo0nman | pipeline: Iv used APM but not ACPI.. maybe i'll give it a try. |
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| 04:33.39 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 04:33.46 | pipeline | spo0nman: I'd stick with apm if I were you. ACPI is usually buggy if it's not entirely broken. |
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| 04:34.02 | spo0nman | pipeline: buggy? hmm will it wake up when im riding down my bike through street-stairs? :D |
| 04:34.13 | HeavyD | pipeline: gdesklet eh? Thanks, appreciated. |
| 04:34.21 | madclicker | can anyone tell me what is the latest 2.6 kernel available for sqrge? |
| 04:34.24 | pipeline | HeavyD: gdesklets |
| 04:34.33 | peterS | madclicker: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 04:34.40 | pipeline | spo0nman: No, it just might not work at all. Or it might not come back from suspend. Or it might scribble garbage data everywher. |
| 04:34.55 | pipeline | spo0nman: ACPI support in linux isn't very good. ACPI support in windows isn't very good. ACPI support in your hardware is likely to be broken. |
| 04:35.05 | pipeline | spo0nman: APM usually "just works" |
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| 04:35.18 | madclicker | peterS: thx |
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| 04:35.38 | tomb0y | anyone know what this means? PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 00:1f.1 |
| 04:35.40 | spo0nman | madclicker: apt-cache search kernel| grep 2.6 |
| 04:35.55 | pipeline | tomb0y: Sounds like poorly designed hardware. I'd ignore it. |
| 04:36.03 | peterS | tomb0y: literally? each BAR is an I/O resource specified by the PCI device |
| 04:36.08 | spo0nman | pipeline: :) thanks... |
| 04:36.31 | peterS | tomb0y: what it means to you? I don't really know |
| 04:36.45 | dabreegster | Is there any way to turn a binary .deb into the source package with the config/control scripts and everything without grabbing the source? |
| 04:37.01 | tomb0y | peterS: yea i have no idea, just never seeing that before, but that box its in has 3 ide controllers in it. |
| 04:37.03 | madclicker | my system crashes after 1/2 hour of running,....just made a clean install |
| 04:37.10 | xerophyte | i had software raid 1 with two drive, one got bad and it does not wanna mount the mdx, how can i replace the bad drive ? |
| 04:37.13 | pipeline | dabreegster: No. You need the source package. |
| 04:37.30 | tomb0y | peterS: so jsut asking if i should worry about the message or just ignore it |
| 04:37.39 | peterS | tomb0y: if your IDE drives all work, I'd ignore it |
| 04:37.47 | bionikal | whats IrDA ? |
| 04:38.16 | pipeline | bionikal: IrDA is an ancient serial protocol for infrared devices |
| 04:38.22 | pipeline | bionikal: Nothing uses it any more. |
| 04:38.31 | pipeline | bionikal: It used to be relatively common on laptops and printers |
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| 04:38.57 | shadow98 | hey guys i keep getting keyboard Timeout: at keyboard not present |
| 04:39.00 | bionikal | thanks |
| 04:39.13 | shadow98 | im using a kvm i don't know if that is the problem |
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| 04:39.29 | pipeline | shadow98: does the keyboard still work? if so, don't worry about it. |
| 04:39.32 | madclicker | is the kernel source comes with default install? |
| 04:39.38 | shadow98 | no |
| 04:39.44 | pipeline | madclicker: No, you have to install the "kernel-source-<version>" package. |
| 04:39.52 | shadow98 | well sometimes it does and sometimes it doesnt |
| 04:40.05 | shadow98 | like i just tried to boot into x and it quit working |
| 04:40.08 | pipeline | shadow98: Crapola. I expect it probably is the KVM, but I suppose it's obvious that there's no easy solution to that. |
| 04:40.19 | madclicker | pipline: apt-cache kernel-source???? |
| 04:40.33 | pipeline | madclicker: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 04:40.39 | madclicker | thx |
| 04:40.42 | pipeline | madclicker: You probably don't want the kernel source, though. |
| 04:40.49 | shadow98 | pipeline: debian installed on a different machine and it never had a problem....i also had redhat installed on the machine i now have debian on and it didn't have a problem |
| 04:40.52 | pipeline | madclicker: I bet you probably want the kernel headers. |
| 04:41.16 | shadow98 | all my machines are on this kvm.. |
| 04:41.18 | pipeline | madclicker: the "kernel-headers" packages contain pre-compiled source trees to allow you to build driver modules. |
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| 04:41.26 | madclicker | pipeline: i got an sk98lin nic, for which the stock driver is useless |
| 04:41.35 | pipeline | shadow98: *shrug* I don't know exactly what that error means. |
| 04:41.42 | pipeline | madclicker: Yeah, you probably want the kernel-headers package |
| 04:42.02 | shadow98 | i wonder if there is a timeout value i can set somewhere...or tell it not to keep looking for the keyboard or something |
| 04:42.21 | madclicker | pipeline: thx, am a bit lost since i am moving from an RPM distro to deb |
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| 04:42.53 | walnuck | i'd like to use a mirroring tool that can do multiple connections for fastest mirroring, is there something like this? |
| 04:43.09 | shadow98 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-alpha/2000/12/msg00079.html |
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| 04:43.23 | madclicker | pipeline: also i have no X yet due to PCI express ATI RADEON not detected, which irc client can i pop in for text base? |
| 04:43.26 | dabreegster | Besides getting the source, how can I make a package that insists on installing something to /boot install it to /kernels? dpkg -x foo.deb didn't show the file; I think it was generated in the config scripts. |
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| 04:43.44 | pipeline | madclicker: irssi and ircii are popular terminal IRC clients |
| 04:43.45 | shadow98 | pipeline: take alook at that link |
| 04:44.02 | madclicker | pipeline: Bitchx not there? |
| 04:44.06 | pipeline | shadow98: I don't think that's relevant. |
| 04:44.18 | pipeline | madclicker: Oh, it probably is, but bitchx sucks. |
| 04:44.27 | shadow98 | ok |
| 04:44.38 | pipeline | dabreegster: Uh, why not ln -s /kernels /boot ? |
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| 04:44.50 | shadow98 | pipeline: i wonder if sarge would give me the same problem |
| 04:44.54 | dabreegster | pipeline: I guess I could do that temporarily. |
| 04:45.09 | pipeline | shadow98: I would use sarge anyway just because it's newer, it's nicer, and it will probably be released soon, at which point you would have to upgrade anyway. |
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| 04:45.20 | pipeline | dabreegster: Well, usually, fucking around with packages is to be avoided. |
| 04:45.32 | dabreegster | Wait, I can't mv /boot to /boot.bak, device/resource busy. |
| 04:45.37 | madclicker | pipeline: thx, am out |
| 04:45.42 | Mike77 | Hi people. Can anyone tell me how to enable/disable/change the X11 login screen on Sarge? Currently I have a GNOME desktop manager. |
| 04:46.00 | dabreegster | pipeline: but my boot partition cant hold the splash file, so I've told grub to look in /kernels |
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| 04:46.04 | shadow98 | is there a nice installer out for it yet i used hilux for woody |
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| 04:48.11 | HeavyD | w00t! Sarge downloading! Only 22 hours of downloading remain! |
| 04:48.46 | BadMan | ouch |
| 04:49.00 | BadMan | dialup? or are you installing each and every available package hehe |
| 04:49.01 | chaps0063 | can anyone help me get drivers installed for my sound card (onboard) a7n8x deluxe? |
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| 04:49.38 | trig_hm | ok I need some routing help, I can't seem to get my vpn traffic to forward between my internal interface and the outside interface |
| 04:49.46 | BadMan | !poll |
| 04:49.46 | dpkg | You wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me! |
| 04:49.50 | BadMan | !polls |
| 04:49.50 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 04:50.09 | trig_hm | the vpn works great, from the machine that is it's endpoint, but nowhere else on the network. |
| 04:50.22 | cg0def | is debian ever going to get kernel 2.6.11? |
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| 04:50.40 | trig_hm | cg0def: build your own |
| 04:50.47 | trig_hm | I have one |
| 04:50.56 | Tolimar | I'm trying to use ssh portforwarding with "ssh -L 12345:foo:123 foo.bar.baz". I can login successfull, but when I try to access localhosts port 12345 I get the errormessage: "channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed". |
| 04:51.01 | cg0def | yeah I did but still not official :( |
| 04:51.01 | pipeline | shadow98: google for "debian-installer" |
| 04:51.11 | pipeline | shadow98: It's the standard installer for sarge, and it's very nice indeed. |
| 04:51.21 | pipeline | dabreegster: It sounds like you're doing someching foolish :| |
| 04:51.23 | Tolimar | I googled for this error message, but only found other people with the same problem, no solution. Anybody knows, what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 04:51.53 | pipeline | Tolimar: Perhaps you're not permitted to open port 123, as it is a privileged port. |
| 04:52.01 | dabreegster | pipeline: Heard of debsplash? A bootsplash-like patch that lets you have background images on the console using framebuffer. |
| 04:52.17 | Tolimar | pipeline: I tried it as root, too. Same error message. |
| 04:52.19 | pipeline | dabreegster: There's so many bad ideas in that sentence that I don't care to address it. |
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| 04:52.37 | pipeline | Tolimar: It doesn't sound like an error, it sounds like a configuration issue |
| 04:52.39 | dabreegster | pipeline: It's been fun. I've got the kernel compiled and everything probably wouldve gone smoothly from then if I made my /boot about 30M |
| 04:52.51 | dabreegster | pipeline: I know there are bad ideas, but I'm a command line junkie who's ready for some eye candy. |
| 04:52.53 | pipeline | dabreegster: Framebuffer BAD. BAD BAD BAD. |
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| 04:53.25 | dabreegster | pipeline: WHY? WHY? WHY? Well, it screws up svgalib, but still. |
| 04:53.27 | pipeline | dabreegster: In all honesty, I use X all the time. Always. Even for terminal tasks -- if nothing else, an xterm filling the screen with ratpoison. |
| 04:53.36 | vitriol | parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available, near line 2 package 'tcpd': value for status field not allowed in this context << this ring a bell to anyone? |
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| 04:53.49 | vitriol | dunno whats going on here |
| 04:53.52 | pipeline | dabreegster: The kernel code is poorly written and filled with race conditions. It screws up svgalib. It screws up X. It just sucks. |
| 04:53.55 | chaps0063 | where do i get the drivers for an ATI Radeon 9600? |
| 04:53.55 | dondelelcaro | !available |
| 04:53.55 | dpkg | i guess available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
| 04:53.58 | dondelelcaro | vitriol: se above |
| 04:53.59 | shadow98 | does the mini iso here have network card drivers on it or do i need to download something else to install: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 04:54.03 | pipeline | chaps0063: That's not going to be fun :( |
| 04:54.06 | trig_hm | vitriol: it used to happen to me all the time, but I havent had it in awhile. |
| 04:54.11 | vitriol | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 04:54.18 | pipeline | shadow98: The mini ISO will have virtually all network drivers. |
| 04:54.19 | trig_hm | vitriol: don't remember how I fixed it though |
| 04:54.24 | chaps0063 | pipeline, why not? |
| 04:54.28 | shadow98 | ok its downloading |
| 04:54.29 | dabreegster | pipeline: I might have to go that route. But until I can find a simple wm & term emulator that can do everything console can and have bg images, I'm trying crazy things. |
| 04:54.47 | dabreegster | pipeline: I'm not into hacking together a script that simulates Alt+Fx |
| 04:54.51 | pipeline | dabreegster: stumpwm or ratpoison tickle your fancy? |
| 04:55.05 | pipeline | dabreegster: stumpwm basically treats all windows like "windows" in emacs. |
| 04:55.22 | pipeline | dabreegster: And don't get me started on "alt+FX" -- vttys are the fucking devil. |
| 04:55.31 | pipeline | dabreegster: real men use GNU screen and job control. |
| 04:55.42 | dabreegster | pipeline: I'll try em. X would solve my gfx problems. Am I right in thinking it's easy to tell X to monitor keypresses before they get to the app so I can have my hotkeys? |
| 04:56.02 | pipeline | chaps0063: A 9600 is new enough to require the ATI proprietary drivers. The ATI proprietary drivers are... horrible. |
| 04:56.06 | dabreegster | pipeline: I happen to like VTs. Screen is ok, but it's kind of pointless. |
| 04:56.12 | pipeline | dabreegster: VTs are a filthy, disgusting hack. |
| 04:56.19 | kaplanfx | pipeline: GNu screen rocks |
| 04:56.24 | pipeline | dabreegster: screen isn't pointless at all, it does tons of cool shit. |
| 04:56.25 | chaps0063 | pipeline, I see...they are difficult to install or just terrible drivers? |
| 04:56.29 | pipeline | chaps0063: Both. |
| 04:56.35 | dabreegster | pipeline: How so? |
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| 04:56.40 | chaps0063 | meh. that sucks. |
| 04:56.42 | trig_hm | screen is my desktop space savior |
| 04:57.07 | chaps0063 | I guess I will just go without them then. |
| 04:57.20 | kaplanfx | dabreegster: um, I run a program here at home, I go to work and I putty in on my ssh, then I detach the screen remotely and reatch it at work, and im working on what I was working on at home |
| 04:57.27 | dabreegster | pipeline: It just simulates everything consoles/VTs do by scratch |
| 04:57.47 | dabreegster | kaplanfx: that's neat and all, but I'm a kid who never plans to use my box remotely |
| 04:57.50 | trig_hm | screen is great, detach->leave work->get home->re-attach |
| 04:57.58 | kaplanfx | dabreegster: then you don't need screen |
| 04:57.59 | chaps0063 | what can I use to burn CDs? |
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| 04:58.08 | dabreegster | kaplanfx: exactly. |
| 04:58.21 | kaplanfx | dabreegster: you have no VT's on an ssh session |
| 04:58.31 | keta | chaps0063: cdrecord or a frontend for it |
| 04:58.41 | dabreegster | kaplanfx: I know. I never use ssh or anything |
| 04:59.10 | kaplanfx | dabreegster: its cool locally too, but really you can just spawn a buttload of vt's or xterms |
| 04:59.32 | keta | dabreegster: are you stuck with unencrypted telnets? :) |
| 04:59.40 | dabreegster | kaplanfx: Yeah, 'openvt' works pretty fine for me. |
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| 04:59.42 | trig_hm | I was waiting on someone to ask that |
| 04:59.47 | dabreegster | keta: I never access my box remotely. Ever. |
| 04:59.56 | pipeline | dabreegster: Actually, it's the other way around. VT's are a filthy hack that try to do what Screen does in-kernel. |
| 05:00.07 | BadMan | chaps0063: k3b is a ncie frontend kde wise for cdrecord |
| 05:00.13 | kaplanfx | dabreegster: trust me though, learn to use screen for the one time you really need to use it |
| 05:00.22 | pipeline | dabreegster: UNIX has always done most terminal stuff in userspace. Doing it in-kernel doesn't work as well as one would hope |
| 05:00.22 | dabreegster | alright, I will |
| 05:00.24 | nevyn | pipeline: hrm I dunno about filthy |
| 05:00.25 | EvilSporkMan | screen is great for things like naim |
| 05:00.53 | kaplanfx | screen has a plethora of uses |
| 05:00.53 | pipeline | screen is also great because it does copy and paste |
| 05:01.00 | pipeline | and allows two people to share a terminal at the same time |
| 05:01.01 | kaplanfx | woop |
| 05:01.03 | pipeline | and tons of other shit |
| 05:01.06 | kaplanfx | the joys of screen :) |
| 05:01.13 | dabreegster | If this debsplash stuff doesn't work, I'm going to find a good wm and term emulator and mimick my console on X. |
| 05:01.18 | mrwick | screen rulz |
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| 05:01.23 | kaplanfx | pipeline: how do two people share, im not familiar with that |
| 05:01.24 | pipeline | dabreegster: I think you would like stumpwm |
| 05:01.26 | trig_hm | just try managing a data center full of linux boxen without screen, it'll drive ya nuts |
| 05:01.27 | chaps0063 | BadMan, thanks. |
| 05:01.32 | pipeline | kaplanfx: I think it's screen -x |
| 05:01.36 | kaplanfx | pipeline: I thought one had to detach before another could attach |
| 05:01.44 | trig_hm | pipeline: yeah screen -x |
| 05:01.45 | nevyn | pipeline: let's face it screen is great because it lets you run irssi on a router and reboot your desktop for new shiny kernel |
| 05:01.49 | pipeline | kaplanfx: No, you can have one screen session shared between multiple people on a host |
| 05:01.57 | pipeline | nevyn: I never reboot my desktop. |
| 05:02.05 | nevyn | pipeline: new shiny kernel. |
| 05:02.17 | dabreegster | For the console, the Console Tools provide loadkeys to map keys before they even get to the app, so it's before ReadLine. For X, is there an *easy* way I can do the same thing, as well as having a hotkey send a command silently to a daemon without touching the screen? |
| 05:02.22 | pipeline | nevyn: I only upgraded to 2.6.10 five days ago. Before that, I was using 2.6.7. |
| 05:02.26 | nevyn | hrm |
| 05:02.36 | nevyn | heh |
| 05:02.38 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: Like Gnome? |
| 05:02.39 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: No, do it. You'll be back. |
| 05:02.49 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: plan on just using iceWM like always |
| 05:02.50 | dabreegster | EvilSporkMan: try the live cd first |
| 05:02.53 | nevyn | /. mit get's powned by pheonix highschool. |
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| 05:02.56 | nevyn | heh |
| 05:03.00 | kaplanfx | EvilSporkMan: ubuntu is about to have an official release, why not wait a week or so |
| 05:03.01 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: Then it's a waste of your time. |
| 05:03.28 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: Unless yopu happen to have an AMD64 machine |
| 05:03.28 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: It's like debian with half as much software available and buggy packages :) |
| 05:03.37 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: I'm buying AMD64 soon |
| 05:03.46 | meff | i forgot which program to reconfigure to make dpkg ask me always and not assume.. anyone remember what it is? |
| 05:03.47 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: hence the move to ubuntu =P |
| 05:03.58 | chaps0063 | BadMan, it's asking for DVD writing tools growisofs, any thoughts? |
| 05:04.05 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: i know a guy who's got a project to get gentoo packages into ubuntu |
| 05:04.07 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: Yes, I'm using it on my ADM64. (Running Gnome though) |
| 05:04.12 | kaplanfx | meff: dpkg-reconfigure dpkg? |
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| 05:04.23 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: debian's AMD64 support is less-than-stellar? |
| 05:04.25 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Because Gentoo packages are soooo high quality. |
| 05:04.33 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: there are more of them |
| 05:04.37 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Also, Debian unstable already has more software available than Gentoo. Always has, always will. |
| 05:04.38 | dabreegster | pipeline: know what package stumpwm is in? apt-cache search turned up nothing and I dont have a stumpwm or similar package. Is it available for sarge? |
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| 05:04.55 | kaplanfx | chaps0063: you need dvd+rw-tools if you are going to be burning dvd |
| 05:04.55 | pipeline | dabreegster: I'm pretty sure you'll have to compile it yourself. It's not very complicated :P |
| 05:05.03 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: No, debian amd64 support is great. it's just that a while back the amd64 package mirror server was wonky, so I switched to a distro with a stable mirror site. |
| 05:05.07 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: i get irritated when i don't have gaim releases within a day or two |
| 05:05.09 | vitriol | what do you do when you get those 'error while loading shared libraries' errors and ldconfig doesn't fix them? |
| 05:05.10 | dabreegster | pipeline: alright |
| 05:05.12 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: oh |
| 05:05.21 | dabreegster | pipeline: if I can do a kernel, I can do a wm |
| 05:05.24 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Sounds like Gentoo or Ubuntu is right up your alley. That's a disease. |
| 05:05.31 | pipeline | dabreegster: http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/download.html |
| 05:05.39 | chaps0063 | kaplanfx, thanks, i wasn't sure what to install..got it all working, no errors on startup. thanks. |
| 05:05.43 | dabreegster | pipeline: alright, thanks |
| 05:05.49 | kaplanfx | chaps0063: no prob buddy |
| 05:05.50 | meff | kaplanfx hmm that doesnt seem to do anything |
| 05:05.52 | pipeline | dabreegster: You'll probably need cmucl or sbcl to compile it. |
| 05:05.57 | kaplanfx | meff: I was just guessing |
| 05:06.03 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: is it? i developed a neurosis about always compiling something back when i used gentoo and distributed-net doesn't seem to be helping me |
| 05:06.13 | dabreegster | pipeline: ok |
| 05:06.22 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: The neurosis part is the obsession with always having the newest version, not the compiling part. |
| 05:06.22 | doleyb | dabreegster: ratpoison has a package, here's ratpoison shots http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/581 |
| 05:06.38 | dabreegster | doleyb: I know ratpoison, I havent disregarded it yet |
| 05:06.40 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: well, the newest version is better or the upstream devs wouldn't have released it, right? |
| 05:06.45 | pipeline | doleyb, dabreegster: I had forgotten about ratpoison, as I liked stumpwm more. |
| 05:06.48 | buu | Yay ratpoison! |
| 05:06.52 | g | some free person here? |
| 05:06.52 | chaps0063 | kaplanfx, any other software for copying dvd movies? |
| 05:06.56 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Not necessarily. And I generally like for OTHER people to find the bugs :P |
| 05:07.00 | buu | dabreegster: Get ratpoison ^^ |
| 05:07.05 | chaps0063 | kaplanfx, i want to see if can make backups in linux instead of windows. |
| 05:07.14 | pipeline | chaps0063: Backups. Hah. |
| 05:07.16 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: yeah, but i've found at least one bug with debian too - gtk2-engines-magicchicken leaks memory ^_^ |
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| 05:07.30 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Heh, I saw that in apt-listbugs and cancelled my dist-upgrade. |
| 05:07.35 | chaps0063 | pipeline, lol...shh. |
| 05:07.40 | dabreegster | g: just ask a question. Or are you looking for a date? *snicker* |
| 05:07.44 | dabreegster | buu: already got it |
| 05:07.44 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: not familiar with those two nouns |
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| 05:08.08 | g | a question |
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| 05:08.16 | buu | dabreegster: You should get the latest off the notgnu site though, the debian one is old |
| 05:08.19 | meff | so, anyone remember how to make dpkg ask all questions instead of the 'best pick' method? |
| 05:08.22 | dabreegster | g: well then ask |
| 05:08.23 | g | a big trouble |
| 05:08.32 | dabreegster | buu: ok |
| 05:08.39 | kaplanfx | chaps0063: like mentioned above, k3b is pretty good |
| 05:08.41 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: When I went to upgrade my system, the apt-listbugs automated bug reporter showed me that bug report, and I decided to cancel the upgrade process and try again in a couple days. |
| 05:08.41 | peterS | meff: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 05:08.42 | buu | dabreegster: It's very cool, you should use it. |
| 05:08.44 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: ah, man apt and friends |
| 05:08.44 | dabreegster | g: what's the question? |
| 05:08.46 | chaps0063 | kaplanfx, oh, so that will do it? |
| 05:08.53 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: glad to have been useful =) |
| 05:08.55 | meff | ah, thanks peterS |
| 05:08.57 | g | i can't make my cdrom work on my hiweed |
| 05:08.59 | BadMan | meff: as peterS said but select high |
| 05:09.14 | kaplanfx | chaps0063: its a nice gui frontend to some of the commandline cd burning progs |
| 05:09.23 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: I could just pin that one package and upgrade the rest of the system, but you know what? I can wait a few days for all the other upgrades too. |
| 05:09.25 | dabreegster | buu: If I can get it to mimick my console environment *and* do more, then I shall dance around a picture of its logo singing war chants. |
| 05:09.27 | g | i can't find it |
| 05:09.31 | kaplanfx | chaps0063: if you want a regular backup, may I suggest a cron job + cdrecord? |
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| 05:09.40 | buu | dabreegster: By "console environment" you mean the regular terminals? |
| 05:09.42 | g | mount can't work |
| 05:09.49 | kaplanfx | just make sure you have a blank disk in before the cron job is sheduled to run :) |
| 05:09.50 | buu | dabreegster: Er, the non-X terminal thingies |
| 05:09.52 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: i'm not so careful...i just install right out of testing :-X |
| 05:09.58 | dabreegster | buu: yeah |
| 05:10.05 | chaps0063 | decent DVD playback, totem? |
| 05:10.07 | buu | dabreegster: Basically ratpoison is screen for X. It's extremely similar, except you can bind more commands and such |
| 05:10.21 | dabreegster | buu: VT-like switching, a transparent-ish background image... |
| 05:10.21 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: I run unstable |
| 05:10.31 | dabreegster | buu: If it can be done, I'll find a way. |
| 05:10.39 | buu | dabreegster: Easily, you will have to add bindings if you want alt-f1 and friends to work, that isn't default |
| 05:10.40 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Debian Sid is still vastly better tested than say, Gentoo or Mandrake |
| 05:10.52 | buu | dabreegster: Instead it uses C-t 1-0 |
| 05:10.53 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: yeah, that's debian's one claim to fame. seen all the bashing on /.? |
| 05:11.04 | dabreegster | buu: that's fine. that's the easy bit. |
| 05:11.12 | buu | dabreegster: Oh, what is the hard bit? |
| 05:11.15 | kaplanfx | hmm ratpoison looks cool |
| 05:11.18 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Slashdot is filled with drooling morons. Seriously, I'm surprised they can figure out their asses from elbows well enough to avoid smearing shit on the keyboard. |
| 05:11.19 | buu | kaplanfx: It freaking is. |
| 05:11.27 | buu | pipeline: hahah. You sound bitter. |
| 05:11.39 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: i LIKE slashdot. =( |
| 05:12.06 | vitriol | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.11 | dabreegster | buu: making a hotkey send a command to my own daemon, without printing anything to the screen |
| 05:12.18 | buu | dabreegster: Trivial. |
| 05:12.19 | dabreegster | buu: it's unbelievably impossible on the console |
| 05:12.25 | buu | dabreegster: Yeah, that's what X is for =/ |
| 05:12.27 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: but yeah, i was looking into Ubuntu because there seemed to be more "developmental frenzy" in the community. I'd like to help out with the linux movement somehow, guess i'll look for ways to get involved with debian |
| 05:12.45 | buu | dabreegster: :bind o exec /home/buu/myshscript |
| 05:12.48 | buu | Just for an example. |
| 05:12.54 | dabreegster | buu: and to think I was about to hack the Linux Console Tools's source code |
| 05:12.57 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: The problem is that the Ubuntu folks only care about one set of packages. |
| 05:12.59 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Gnome. |
| 05:13.02 | buu | Then C-t o; would execute myshscript |
| 05:13.04 | dabreegster | buu: no, not that easy. |
| 05:13.07 | buu | dabreegster: ? |
| 05:13.10 | EvilSporkMan | for example, the Debian GTK theme does some awful things to gmpc ^^ |
| 05:13.13 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Testing/Unstable has thousands of people working on tens of thousands of packages, all the time. |
| 05:13.17 | EvilSporkMan | er, DebianRed |
| 05:13.18 | dabreegster | buu: that's readline. it'll print 'exec ...' |
| 05:13.23 | buu | dabreegster: Er, no.. |
| 05:13.38 | buu | dabreegster: I'm talking about ratpoison.. |
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| 05:13.47 | g | who are good at mount a dvdrom on hiweed |
| 05:13.49 | dabreegster | buu: oooh. Cool. |
| 05:13.54 | buu | Yeah |
| 05:14.01 | dabreegster | buu: I was wondering what the : bit was for |
| 05:14.17 | buu | dabreegster: Ah. It's the way to specify a 'ratpoison command' |
| 05:14.25 | buu | dabreegster: Install it and do C-t : |
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| 05:14.33 | dabreegster | buu: alright |
| 05:15.06 | dabreegster | I'll try ratpoison in a bit. If this debsplash script that's *still* downloading doesnt work, I'm going to start messing around with X. |
| 05:15.36 | dabreegster | stumpwm is 21k, I like that. |
| 05:15.38 | chealer | G: what's hiweed? |
| 05:15.39 | buu | ... Why the heck do you want debslash |
| 05:15.44 | buu | splash even |
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| 05:15.51 | g | an os |
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| 05:16.01 | g | cheale linux |
| 05:16.06 | dabreegster | buu: A background image for the console. |
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| 05:16.12 | dabreegster | buu: I want my eye candy, damnit. |
| 05:16.15 | g | cheale anothe name is debian mabe |
| 05:16.21 | e_machinist | What is the current stable version of Debian? |
| 05:16.32 | BadMan | e_machinist: Woody 3.0r4 |
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| 05:16.50 | e_machinist | BadMan: Thank you. |
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| 05:17.02 | g | it's a question,i got it two days ago by a serve |
| 05:17.24 | buu | dabreegster: Just do ratpoison, it's trivial to get a background image =] |
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| 05:18.03 | dabreegster | buu: will do.... In 15m. Debsplash *might* work |
| 05:18.16 | buu | dabreegster: You could use transparent terms to show your background, or use the specific xterm windows that can set their own backgrounds |
| 05:18.25 | buu | dabreegster: But even if it does work.. you're still lacking ratpoisons l33tness. |
| 05:18.29 | dabreegster | buu: what's been going on in #perl lately? I've been too busy to hang around. |
| 05:18.33 | g | no body can give me some help? |
| 05:18.35 | buu | dabreegster: The usual |
| 05:18.50 | dabreegster | buu: I believe eterm can do transparency. |
| 05:19.00 | buu | Sure |
| 05:19.00 | pipeline | dabreegster: and aterm |
| 05:19.02 | buu | So can aterm |
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| 05:19.18 | buu | But that just shows you the background image, so if you wanted different images in each console |
| 05:19.21 | buu | You'd need to use something else |
| 05:19.50 | Grey | What's the fastest easiest way to get a new kernel installed on debian? I got the 2.6.8 source tree downloaded, but do I have to extract, make menuconfig etc. etc.? |
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| 05:19.59 | buu | Hrm. aterm -pixmap: file;geom; Specify an image file for the background |
| 05:20.04 | buu | Grey: Um, no |
| 05:20.05 | RjY | How can I force curl to display its progress meter? Is there an option or do I just have to make sure stdout isn't going to a terminal? |
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| 05:20.15 | buu | Grey: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7; |
| 05:20.31 | buu | Grey: Assuming you want k7, you might want -386 or whatever the heck it is. |
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| 05:20.36 | shadow98 | pipeline: sarge is installing |
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| 05:21.32 | buu | dabreegster: Heh, I have like 50 rows and 120 columns |
| 05:21.43 | EvilSporkMan | how much time do i need to maintain a debian package? |
| 05:21.53 | pipeline | Grey: Just install your own kernel. |
| 05:21.59 | pipeline | Grey: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 05:22.06 | pipeline | Grey: Don't try to use a modern kernel on woody |
| 05:22.37 | pipeline | Grey: Even compiling yourself, 2.6 on woody is hairy |
| 05:22.44 | BadMan | Woody kernels stink, install woody first thignt o do is uopdate the kernel |
| 05:22.56 | pipeline | The first thing you should do is upgrade to sarge :P |
| 05:23.06 | BadMan | pipeline: agreed |
| 05:23.11 | Rebecca | im still trying to get xine working in sid. i get the following error: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/missbecca/snapshot2.png |
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| 05:23.40 | Rennegade | Where do I find the ncurses-devel library? |
| 05:23.48 | puter | good god that took forever |
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| 05:24.02 | peterS | Rennegade: it's called 'libncurses5-dev' |
| 05:24.05 | peterS | Rennegade: just apt-get install it |
| 05:24.16 | dabreegster | buu: Unfortunately I've got a good video card and 15" monitor. Winning combo, eh? |
| 05:24.34 | puter | what is the meaning of H/W cursor wrt. xwindows?? |
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| 05:24.58 | Rennegade | peterS: Thanks. Just what I needed. |
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| 05:26.22 | buu | dabreegster: I suppose |
| 05:26.30 | buu | dabreegster: gogog ratpoison |
| 05:27.13 | dabreegster | buu: in a minute. I want to at least try debsplash, after all this trouble. |
| 05:27.21 | buu | dabreegster: Just for an example of moderate coolness, I have C-t m; bound to 'aterm -e nmixer', so I can just hit C-t m; change volume, hit q and be right back where I was |
| 05:27.27 | Rennegade | woot! Thanks peterS. Now I get to compile |
| 05:27.40 | peterS | Rennegade: heh. carry on |
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| 05:28.07 | dabreegster | buu: shwoo. I'll have my number pad bound to hotkeys to change music tracks, start/stop different things.... |
| 05:28.16 | buu | Hrm |
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| 05:28.41 | buu | dabreegster: Sure. bind KP_1 xmms -switchtrack |
| 05:28.42 | buu | or something |
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| 05:29.43 | dabreegster | What's the best X terminal emulator that can do transparency, background images, standard ANSI colors, fullscreen maximize w/ titlebar, and all the usual stuff? |
| 05:29.59 | buu | Um, titlebar? |
| 05:30.11 | buu | You don't get a title bar in ratpoison =/, but I like aterm, it does all of that |
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| 05:30.54 | dabreegster | buu: yeah, a bar at the top of the term emu that displays customized stats |
| 05:30.58 | IRCMonkey_ | hello, i've just installed a fresh installation of woody for the first time. can anybody tell me why i would be unable to ssh into the box, given that: i've added ssh to /etc/hosts.allow, the box can ssh to itself and ssh out as well as ping on my LAN, ping my firewall, and ping the outside world, and finally running sshd -d reveals NO activity when ssh'd to from outside |
| 05:31.06 | ozzloy | i need some help getting 1280X800 on my laptop back, any takers? i had it working, made some changes, now it doesn't work |
| 05:31.07 | buu | dabreegster: Er, I've never seen that |
| 05:31.28 | dabreegster | buu: ... |
| 05:31.36 | buu | dabreegster: Sounds useless |
| 05:31.49 | dabreegster | buu: no, not really |
| 05:31.54 | buu | Why? |
| 05:32.22 | dabreegster | buu: should I run 1 xterm w/ multiple sessions/tabs or multiple xterms? whish is easier for ratpoison to use? |
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| 05:32.25 | dabreegster | buu: constant time. |
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| 05:32.55 | dabreegster | Brb, I'm going to try debsplash. |
| 05:32.57 | mp3j | k |
| 05:32.57 | buu | dabreegster: Eh, aterm doesn't support tabs, so if you're choose that, you're running. Other then that, it depends on which hotkeys you prefer |
| 05:33.01 | buu | FUCKER |
| 05:33.06 | mp3j | hmm im not banne dhow cool |
| 05:33.28 | IRCMonkey_ | nobody for the sshd problem? |
| 05:33.48 | g | #flood |
| 05:33.57 | g | quit |
| 05:34.32 | mp3j | why u guys dont have any patiencxe with the noobs? |
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| 05:34.48 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: probably because their google-fu is weak |
| 05:35.00 | mp3j | i c |
| 05:35.11 | mp3j | why u guys banned and steal voices so fast? |
| 05:35.49 | cafuego | mp3j: Lost of patience with noobs, not much patience with abusive know-it-all noobs. |
| 05:36.08 | mp3j | what was in the beggining b 4 google? |
| 05:36.16 | cafuego | AltaVista |
| 05:36.29 | mp3j | they went out of bussiness? |
| 05:36.37 | cafuego | www.altavista.com |
| 05:36.49 | mp3j | i was just wondering |
| 05:37.08 | mp3j | since you guys didnt have any patience with me i had to install kanotix |
| 05:37.28 | mp3j | they r preety good with noobs u know |
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| 05:37.42 | buu | mp3j: Could you do me a favor? |
| 05:37.48 | cafuego | mp3j: So why aren't you on #kanotix? |
| 05:37.51 | mp3j | i guess thats a good way for a distro to get popular |
| 05:38.19 | ysothoth | jerk alert |
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| 05:38.23 | mp3j | i am on kanotix i just wanted to come and see the geeks know it all of #debian |
| 05:38.23 | BadMan | well mp3j go hang out there..... |
| 05:38.40 | cafuego | mp3j: See, abusive noob. No wonder you were banned. |
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| 05:39.02 | daxxar | Oh, are we supposed to feel guilty, and depressed at the great loss for the Debian community? :P |
| 05:39.04 | mp3j | im not abisive im just telling the truth does it hurt? |
| 05:39.05 | Andrew- | does debian come with a SMP kernel? |
| 05:39.30 | cafuego | mp3j: You're telling us your opinion, which seems to be somewhat subjective. |
| 05:39.31 | peterS | Andrew-: yes |
| 05:39.39 | peterS | Andrew-: it doesn't install with one, but you can install one later, with 'apt-get install' |
| 05:39.40 | chaps0063 | mp3j, I'm a noob and they help me. |
| 05:39.41 | cafuego | Andrew-: Not the installer, but there are precompiled ones, yes. |
| 05:39.47 | mp3j | ok thanks thats about it respecting opinions |
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| 05:39.52 | Andrew- | oh ok |
| 05:40.00 | Andrew- | so theres nothing like what redhat does |
| 05:40.01 | cafuego | mp3j: I never claimed I respected your opinion. |
| 05:40.02 | peterS | Andrew-: try 'apt-cache search kernel-image-' to see what all kernels are available for installing. some of them end in "-smp" |
| 05:40.08 | Andrew- | it doesnt auto detect it |
| 05:40.10 | mp3j | fuck you then |
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| 05:40.14 | peterS | Andrew-: correct |
| 05:40.14 | ysothoth | haha |
| 05:40.20 | cafuego | mp3j: Abusive! |
| 05:40.24 | ysothoth | that's awesome man |
| 05:40.24 | mp3j | !fuck cafuego |
| 05:40.29 | ysothoth | unfunfunfunf |
| 05:40.36 | daxxar | apt-cache search kernel-image-.*-smp :-) |
| 05:40.36 | mp3j | how do u like that? |
| 05:40.39 | cafuego | !ops abusive kanotix noob: mp3j |
| 05:40.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: abusive kanotix noob: mp3j |
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| 05:40.55 | mp3j | bob2 can suck my dick too |
| 05:40.57 | daxxar | To narrow down the amount of packages. :o |
| 05:41.14 | cafuego | mp3j: Do you still wonder why you were banned? |
| 05:41.32 | mp3j | who gives a shit u guys never help me with nothing |
| 05:41.41 | buu | mp3j: Do you still wonder why they never help you? |
| 05:41.47 | cafuego | mp3j: Not if you behave like THAT! |
| 05:41.47 | mrwick | :~( |
| 05:41.58 | RjY | Oh, my bleeding heart! |
| 05:42.04 | mrwick | mp3j: you must be a Windows user |
| 05:42.09 | mp3j | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.12 | daxxar | Wee, nothing like a little morning drama. :p |
| 05:42.15 | EvilSporkMan | mrwick: now now, that's rude |
| 05:42.19 | buu | daxxar: Drama? |
| 05:42.25 | mp3j | oh yes i am a windows user trying to learn linux |
| 05:42.28 | cafuego | mp3j: So you started flaming instead of using /ignore like a normal person would? |
| 05:42.33 | daxxar | buu, I feel mp3j is creating a scene. ;-P |
| 05:42.37 | mp3j | im not |
| 05:42.42 | EvilSporkMan | scene? warez? |
| 05:42.43 | buu | daxxar: Well, maybe, but I wouldn't really call it drama |
| 05:42.43 | BadMan | yeah /ignore is a good thing |
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| 05:42.52 | buu | daxxar: It's like a 3 year old throwing a temper trantrum in school |
| 05:43.00 | daxxar | Hehe :P |
| 05:43.01 | buu | Not much drama involved. |
| 05:43.03 | cafuego | mp3j: search google for 'netiquette' |
| 05:43.05 | daxxar | Well, come on now, don't be a pedant. ;-P |
| 05:43.11 | EvilSporkMan | i suspect i'm still /ignored by lots of people from my gentoo days...i admitted to being a gentoo user in here =( |
| 05:43.19 | daxxar | :p |
| 05:43.19 | mp3j | im not im just saying how i fell about the people thats suppose to help |
| 05:43.25 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: it takes more than that for most of us to ignore you |
| 05:43.28 | buu | mp3j: What makes you think they're supposed to help? |
| 05:43.31 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: Yeah, stringmatch auto-ignore |
| 05:43.32 | ysothoth | EvilSporkMan: OH man that is a capital offense |
| 05:43.35 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: now if you came in and *advocated* gentoo nonstop for awhile, that might do it |
| 05:43.35 | buu | EvilSporkMan: Naw, you just lose 10 iq points. |
| 05:43.52 | cafuego | mp3j: *everyone* here is a volunteer. Nobody is *supposed* to help. |
| 05:43.56 | mp3j | thats what the fucking debian page says go to freenode #debian chat for help |
| 05:44.03 | buu | mp3j: The internet.. LIES |
| 05:44.04 | mp3j | how fucking wrong is ian and deb |
| 05:44.07 | davidc__ | EvilSporkMan: Whats wrong with gentoo? |
| 05:44.12 | daxxar | THE LIES. |
| 05:44.20 | buu | davidc__: Racing stripes. |
| 05:44.22 | manchot | how do I automatically launch an application when I login? |
| 05:44.26 | EvilSporkMan | davidc__: well, compiling takes time for no significant performance benefit, in my experience |
| 05:44.28 | buu | manchot: .bashrc |
| 05:44.31 | daxxar | !gentoosmite davidc__ |
| 05:44.32 | daxxar | :P |
| 05:44.35 | chealer | who's EvilSporkMan? where is he? |
| 05:44.37 | cafuego | manchot: pop it in your $shellrc or .xsession |
| 05:44.42 | daxxar | Oh well, bbiab. Time for school. :) |
| 05:44.47 | EvilSporkMan | i decided to try debian when my hard drive crashed and there wasn't any performance decrease |
| 05:44.50 | davidc__ | hahahaha.... I laugh at people who use gentoo for performance benifits :) |
| 05:44.56 | manchot | buu: yes, .bashrc, but does it mean when I open another tty, it will run again? |
| 05:45.04 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: Yoiu know, that's what we tell ALL gentoo users in here and they NEVER believe us. |
| 05:45.17 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: yeah, we don't know any better. =\ |
| 05:45.18 | manchot | cafuego: pop? you mean echo? |
| 05:45.25 | peterS | davidc__: the thing about gentoo is that it combines recompiling things with other system changes, some of which *can* provide speed benefits |
| 05:45.28 | cafuego | manchot: Yes, unless you script it with a little lock file or something. |
| 05:45.47 | peterS | davidc__: like for example prelink. gentoo embraced that early on, I think. prelink will make more of a difference than any amount of compiler magic, for most things |
| 05:45.52 | davidc__ | peterS: the reason I use gentoo on my desktop is because of the USE flags, and no binary hell :) |
| 05:46.04 | cafuego | peterS: That and the distro DVD comes with a FREE 3-foot ricer wing you can glue onto your case. |
| 05:46.15 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: i WANT one of those! |
| 05:46.16 | peterS | cafuego: oh yeah, I forgot about that |
| 05:46.19 | davidc__ | cafuego: sweet! |
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| 05:46.33 | peterS | my CPU case totally needs fins |
| 05:46.38 | davidc__ | cafuego: I'll go stick it on my 300mph civic </sarcasm> |
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| 05:47.29 | davidc__ | hahaha... I bet my debian server would do my nightly builds faster if I put racing stripes on it, right? |
| 05:47.34 | buu | cafuego: What about type-r stickers? |
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| 05:47.43 | cafuego | davidc__: Only in combination with blue LEDs. |
| 05:47.55 | buu | ./configure --with-fins --with-stripes --wing=2ft |
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| 05:48.10 | EvilSporkMan | rumor has it ultimate speed can be achieved by using a cluster of debian machines to compile for your gentoo desktop with distcc |
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| 05:48.28 | buu | cafuego: I bet that boosts the horse power. |
| 05:48.30 | mp3j | what a fucking waste |
| 05:48.33 | Spark | that a bit weird like |
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| 05:48.40 | mp3j | some people needs to get a fucking life |
| 05:48.46 | cafuego | buu: it's as if it's suddently an SMP box! |
| 05:48.48 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: what's your problem? (with your computer) |
| 05:48.58 | buu | cafuego: Nicee |
| 05:49.12 | davidc__ | mp3j: some people, much like yourself :) [sorry, couldn't resist] |
| 05:49.15 | mp3j | nothing just chilling and waiting to be banned for another 2 months or get my voice stolen |
| 05:49.38 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: so you're just trolling then |
| 05:50.12 | mp3j | its a waste of time to ask you people never helped mme b4 why would you do it now that im being an asshole? |
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| 05:50.25 | mp3j | !troll |
| 05:50.25 | dpkg | methinks troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html |
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| 05:50.54 | mp3j | im not a troll i dont know shit about lionux just trying to learn |
| 05:51.01 | davidc__ | ah, an annoying robot. What a perfect description! |
| 05:51.15 | mp3j | whatevr |
| 05:51.33 | jm_ | Coke: hah, the very first Linux I every lay my hands on had hostname ferlin, that was about 10-11 years ago ;) |
| 05:51.35 | buu | mp3j: You are being deliberately annoying because the volunteers here wouldn't do your work for you. Now shut up. |
| 05:51.40 | mp3j | i gues all the ops are sleeping at this time i shoud hve been banned a long time ago |
| 05:51.54 | peterS | yes. yes, you should have |
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| 05:52.02 | cafuego | mp3j: So you're here to check how fast you'll get banned? And you say WE need a life? Haha. |
| 05:52.16 | davidc__ | yeah.. in my chan I woulda banned him about 15 mins ago :) |
| 05:52.28 | Coke | jm_: "what names does you wants" they asks |
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| 05:52.37 | buu | Pssh, in my channel I would have banned him 3 hours ago. |
| 05:52.39 | mp3j | work 4 me ill tell u what im trying hard i bought the debian linux bible the running linux 100 knoppix hacks and the linux cook book im nnot trying to be spoonfed |
| 05:52.52 | Coke | jm_: so I give them the great 20th century poet of Sweden |
| 05:53.00 | buu | mp3j: So why are you hanging around here insulting random people? |
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| 05:53.30 | davidc__ | mp3j: Well, then ask a question. I for one, will be happy to answer any sane, normal question. |
| 05:53.35 | cafuego | mp3j: The thing is that a knoppix book isn't going to do you much good for Debian (or Kanotix) |
| 05:53.50 | mp3j | cause u people dont have patience with noobs and i believe im not the only noob that thinks that way |
| 05:53.52 | buu | What the heck is kanotix anyways? |
| 05:54.01 | timmeh | is it possible to view my servers incomeing and outgoing net speeds? |
| 05:54.06 | cafuego | buu: yet another mockery of debian |
| 05:54.16 | mp3j | what about the other books they are good |
| 05:54.17 | buu | cafuego: Awhh. |
| 05:54.18 | BadMan | a unstable security risk debian derivative |
| 05:54.21 | cafuego | timmeh: google for mrtg |
| 05:54.26 | timmeh | ok thnx |
| 05:54.30 | mp3j | i just like knoppix because is easy to start with linux |
| 05:54.38 | Pappa | a troll ita really kickass guy with grass for hair |
| 05:54.44 | cafuego | timmeh: See http://www.cc.com.au/status.php |
| 05:54.55 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: you're going to get some biased answers about debian derivatives in here - anyone who's using plain ol' debian values stability |
| 05:54.56 | cafuego | mp3j: it is nevertheless not Debian. |
| 05:55.10 | timmeh | thankyou again |
| 05:55.19 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: i recommend that you ask in here why not to use a derivative and then in the derivative's channel, and then decide for yourself |
| 05:55.32 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: It's not just that, it's also that $DISTRO uses different config files, different defaults and different packages. |
| 05:55.42 | mp3j | whatever but at least they helped if you guys try to help like #kanotix mnay be more people would try your flavor |
| 05:55.55 | buu | hehe |
| 05:56.06 | cafuego | mp3j: With 750 users here I don't see any problem. |
| 05:56.10 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: debian has a rep for being a little elitist...i think we generally don't care TOO much if the whole world uses debian |
| 05:56.33 | nvz | I started to come home two hours ago.. but turns out some friends were having a little gathering across the street, now I am all drunk :P |
| 05:56.37 | De_Mon | there are 24 people in #kanotix! |
| 05:56.42 | mp3j | i use kanotix for the support i find it easy as a noob i think is apealing if i had more luck with you guys on the support side b4 i woul have stayed with your beloved debian |
| 05:56.42 | cafuego | mp3j: Honestly, if that was a reason nobody would use windows, because windows users are all complete fucktards. |
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| 05:56.54 | buu | mp3j: Could you learn to spell? |
| 05:56.56 | cafuego | sorry maher |
| 05:56.59 | De_Mon | no wonder they are nice, they havent spoken to any noobs in so long they had forgotten how annoying you could be |
| 05:57.01 | mp3j | elitists can suck my dick |
| 05:57.08 | peterS | mp3j: indeed. we don't care. if you come in and throw insults and threats around, we would much rather you used something besides debian. much less headache for us and for you |
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| 05:57.14 | mp3j | who gives a shit about sp[elling/ |
| 05:57.19 | mp3j | my kb is no good |
| 05:57.23 | buu | I do obviously. |
| 05:57.25 | EvilSporkMan | what happened to that "how to ask the right questions" page that used to be in /topic? |
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| 05:57.34 | buu | mp3j: Misspelling works is incredibly arrogant and annoying. |
| 05:57.53 | mp3j | is it i didnt know that |
| 05:57.53 | nvz | dpkg, smart questions? |
| 05:57.54 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 05:58.08 | nvz | EvilSporkMan: that link? |
| 05:58.11 | mp3j | you see you are arrogant |
| 05:58.13 | EvilSporkMan | nvz: that'll do it |
| 05:58.15 | jimmy_vidales | hello everyboy |
| 05:58.19 | nvz | :p |
| 05:58.23 | peterS | everyboy? |
| 05:58.26 | EvilSporkMan | smart questions does sound arrogant, but it has a point |
| 05:58.29 | peterS | is he going to grow up to be everyman? |
| 05:58.33 | jimmy_vidales | body |
| 05:58.34 | nvz | whua |
| 05:58.40 | jimmy_vidales | i,m sorry |
| 05:58.41 | mp3j | thats what im talking about u guys were born knowing all with a fucking computer in your arse? |
| 05:58.52 | nvz | someone is thinker than I drunk I am |
| 05:59.04 | jimmy_vidales | i am from spain |
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| 05:59.11 | De_Mon | nvz quit being so arrogant |
| 05:59.12 | cafuego | mp3j: Yep. And it hurt too, seeing as the computer used valves and was the size of a room. |
| 05:59.13 | mp3j | im from colombia |
| 05:59.14 | BadMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.14 | nvz | excuses, excuses |
| 05:59.19 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: summary of smart questions: we'll help you, but check google first - it's really easy to find what you need without having thousands of people asking the same basic questions |
| 05:59.24 | nvz | De_Mon: what? |
| 05:59.38 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: lost cause. easier to just send him to #kanotix |
| 05:59.41 | De_Mon | nvz arn't you drunk? |
| 05:59.42 | dondelelcaro | computer in our arse? Damnit, we are computers. |
| 05:59.43 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: oh, and ask specific questions |
| 05:59.48 | Spark | heh |
| 05:59.55 | ysothoth | mp3j - you are from new jersey you piece of shit, go "spin" down by the shore or something |
| 05:59.57 | EvilSporkMan | peterS: I've got nothing better to do - i'm on spring break and utterly failing to get a date |
| 05:59.57 | mp3j | whatever you guys dont help |
| 05:59.58 | nvz | De_Mon: yeah. whats your point? |
| 06:00.01 | Spark | do we really live in a world where if someone asks you to stop wasting their time, they are being arrogant? |
| 06:00.06 | De_Mon | nvz quit being so arrogant? |
| 06:00.08 | Spark | do you have a right to my time? i htink not |
| 06:00.10 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: ah, ok. carry on |
| 06:00.14 | buu | Spark: Quit being arrogant |
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| 06:00.18 | cafuego | mp3j: of course we don't help. It's not our job. |
| 06:00.21 | De_Mon | nvz what, youre drunk and I have to make sense? |
| 06:00.25 | nvz | how am i being arrogant? |
| 06:00.28 | nvz | hah |
| 06:00.28 | mp3j | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.30 | nvz | oh I see |
| 06:00.34 | Broseph | damn porn spam bots |
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| 06:00.38 | Spark | buu: you are not arrogant enough to converse at my level so i do not understand you |
| 06:00.46 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:00.47 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@~KamiL@85.96.83.207] by dondelelcaro |
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| 06:00.56 | Broseph | anyone know why debian wouldnt find a via rhine pci NIC during install?? that didnt seem right to me |
| 06:01.06 | peterS | Broseph: what version of debian? |
| 06:01.08 | mp3j | what an asshole he thinks hes always right gimme a fucking break |
| 06:01.11 | Broseph | woody |
| 06:01.12 | peterS | Broseph: woody (3.0) or sarge (3.1)? |
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| 06:01.19 | jm_ | Broseph: possibly too old kernel, that happened to me |
| 06:01.26 | cafuego | mp3j: it's HARDLY my fault |
| 06:01.30 | peterS | Broseph: oh, you have to manually load network drivers in woody. in the 'configure modules' menu item. |
| 06:01.30 | Broseph | i believe the 3.0r4 |
| 06:01.34 | dondelelcaro | mp3j: either calm down and ask a coherent question, or go elsewhere please. |
| 06:02.05 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j has admitted he's just chilling, let's leave him alone and do support until he instigates something else |
| 06:02.05 | mp3j | you just asking nice cause theres noone to banned at the momment so ill chill |
| 06:02.18 | mp3j | lets see how you guys help the other unfortunate souls |
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| 06:02.20 | davidc__ | I really wish I had a /smite key sometimes... |
| 06:02.33 | Broseph | ok so during settup when i load the modules for it - it asks for an io=0xnnn |
| 06:02.38 | dondelelcaro | mp3j: uh, I could ban you trivially but I'd rather give you the benifit of the doubt. |
| 06:02.43 | EvilSporkMan | davidc__: the print on that would be really small...perhaps it could be a USB peripheral |
| 06:02.47 | Broseph | i tried to give it com 3 but it wouldnt work - any ideas? |
| 06:02.47 | Spark | im not here to help, im here to laugh at other peoples' misfortune to make me feel better |
| 06:02.50 | peterS | Broseph: it does? the via rhine is a PCI chip, it shouldn't need any of that |
| 06:02.59 | Broseph | wierd |
| 06:03.06 | Spark | i used to have a rhine nic |
| 06:03.08 | cafuego | peterS: modconf prompts for it by default, but says to just hit return |
| 06:03.12 | Spark | it was pretty crap though :/ |
| 06:03.13 | peterS | cafuego: ah right |
| 06:03.14 | davidc__ | EvilSporkMan: not really a smite key.. more like a really big red smite button.... |
| 06:03.31 | Broseph | i dont know wtf is the matter with it - all my installs went fine - so i tell my bro to install it and all problems lol |
| 06:03.35 | EvilSporkMan | davidc__: again, USB peripheral, or maybe Firewire for the times when those few microseconds make a difference |
| 06:03.38 | Broseph | hes not very impressed at the moment |
| 06:03.39 | peterS | davidc__: easy enough to alias /smite to some irc command, in most irc clients. however, this won't be useful without op privileges in your channels (: |
| 06:03.51 | Rebecca | um, how do i use apt? to install a specific package file rather than the package name> |
| 06:03.52 | Rebecca | ? |
| 06:03.57 | EvilSporkMan | davidc__: perhaps you should make it a footpedalk |
| 06:04.03 | dondelelcaro | Rebecca: use dpkg -i foopackage.deb |
| 06:04.09 | peterS | Broseph: these days we mostly recommend debian 3.1 (not yet released) as the installer has been completely rewritten and autodetects all that stuff with little problem |
| 06:04.18 | EvilSporkMan | dondelelcaro: wow, you're good - i didn't understand that question at all =) |
| 06:04.18 | Rebecca | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 06:04.21 | i3dmaster | Anyone here uses Ubuntu? |
| 06:04.24 | mp3j | ok id like to see you guys how youlped rebbeca thats a noob worth to help |
| 06:04.30 | peterS | i3dmaster: lots of people in #ubuntu use ubuntu |
| 06:04.31 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: i hear the people in #ubuntu do |
| 06:04.35 | Broseph | but can you download the 3.1 ? |
| 06:04.49 | EvilSporkMan | peterS: jinx |
| 06:04.51 | peterS | Broseph: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 06:04.58 | cafuego | Rebecca: You don't. You use 'dpkg -i <foo.deb>' |
| 06:04.58 | i3dmaster | I asked a simple question there but seems no one answer my question |
| 06:05.01 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: yeah |
| 06:05.14 | mp3j | Rebecca, u lucky they didnt sent you to read 600 pages book and to google |
| 06:05.22 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: if no one says yes, it's safe to assume no =) |
| 06:05.23 | mp3j | so #debian has point |
| 06:05.24 | cafuego | mp3j: Please stop trolling. |
| 06:05.29 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #47379 |
| 06:05.32 | peterS | i3dmaster: you can ask your question here, but if it's ubuntu-specific, you probably won't get a very useful answer, because we mainly use debian |
| 06:05.35 | dpkg | #47379:W[apt] apt-get install could install local package files, too Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:03:01 UTC [#88616,#254887] |
| 06:05.58 | peterS | dondelelcaro: ha. I hear apt-rpm can do that |
| 06:05.58 | dondelelcaro | (the above is the wishlist bug for apt-get install foopackage.deb to work, if anyone feels like implementing it) |
| 06:06.01 | i3dmaster | ya ok. I just want to give a try cause ubuntu is from debian... |
| 06:06.03 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: What's the number for that gnome-panel bug with the right-clicky thing? |
| 06:06.14 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I know not |
| 06:06.31 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, it can. |
| 06:06.31 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: listvals gnome bug |
| 06:06.36 | i3dmaster | Do you guys know the default runlevel in ubuntu. One of my box says 3 and another one says 2. |
| 06:06.45 | cafuego | i3dmaster: /j #ubuntu |
| 06:06.47 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: see, that's ubuntu-specific |
| 06:06.50 | mp3j | what is a default runlevel;? |
| 06:07.01 | peterS | mp3j: the runlevel the system boots into if you don't specify otherwise |
| 06:07.06 | peterS | mp3j: it's specified in /etc/inittab usually |
| 06:07.10 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: google linux runlevel - there's a lot to read here |
| 06:07.18 | cafuego | mp3j: It's the runlevel that the machine boots into. it determines which set of bootup scripts to run. See /etc/inittab. |
| 06:07.24 | mp3j | ha ! i got you evil |
| 06:07.28 | i3dmaster | ya. Its kinda confused me. inittab from one box says 3 and another one says 2 |
| 06:07.37 | i3dmaster | Is n't that weird? |
| 06:07.39 | cafuego | mp3j: See? useful question: useful answer. |
| 06:07.40 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: what? the linux boot process is complicated |
| 06:07.41 | mp3j | thanks to the others that gave a more straight forward answer |
| 06:07.50 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: In Debian there's really no difference between 2 and 3. |
| 06:07.51 | cafuego | i3dmaster: That means one got edited and the other didn't. |
| 06:07.55 | Spark | mp3j: and incomplete |
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| 06:08.02 | peterS | i3dmaster: yeah, it's weird. in Debian the default runlevel doesn't matter - 2 3 4 5 are all clones of each other until the admin customises them. could be similar in the ubunt |
| 06:08.02 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: /msg dpkg runlevels; if you want to know more about it |
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| 06:08.07 | Spark | mp3j: you will find web resources to be of a higher quality than what people say here |
| 06:08.19 | puter | hey hey. what's the package that contains Qt?? |
| 06:08.20 | cafuego | Spark: Speak for yourself |
| 06:08.29 | cafuego | puter: libqt* |
| 06:08.29 | mp3j | if im not mistaken some asshole here say b4 that the web lies |
| 06:08.31 | peterS | puter: lots of packages have to do with qt. what are you trying to do? |
| 06:08.32 | i3dmaster | ok I see... |
| 06:08.43 | dondelelcaro | puter: you probably want libqt3c102-mt or some such |
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| 06:08.55 | cafuego | mp3j: yes, about half the web contains utter nonsense and bullshit. the trick is to distinguish which is which. |
| 06:08.55 | puter | peterS: im just trying to install something that requires qt |
| 06:08.57 | peterS | dondelelcaro: or a -dev of some form |
| 06:08.58 | i3dmaster | so there is no network enable console mode like in redhat world? |
| 06:09.15 | peterS | puter: if it's a debian package, it will pull in whatever libraries it needs, automatically, as dependencies |
| 06:09.17 | cafuego | mp3j: Also, try to not refer to epopel as assholes. |
| 06:09.18 | i3dmaster | such as runlevel 3 |
| 06:09.26 | puter | peterS: it's not a debian package |
| 06:09.28 | mp3j | whats eppoel? |
| 06:09.33 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: if you know what that means, you can make a runlevel that does that. |
| 06:09.37 | peterS | puter: if you are compiling from source, look for a libqt3-mt-dev or similar |
| 06:09.51 | puter | peterS: okay.. i'll check |
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| 06:10.03 | mp3j | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.04 | Coke | i3dmaster: what are you talking about? redhat is just as GNU as Debian. |
| 06:10.04 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: wow... good idea. |
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| 06:10.10 | peterS | mp3j: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 06:10.31 | cafuego | mp3j: There are precompiled packages. |
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| 06:10.38 | mp3j | peterS, what is that? |
| 06:10.38 | dondelelcaro | mp3j: the sources for win32codecs are not available without an NDA from microsoft by definition. |
| 06:11.01 | puter | peterS: if i install libqt3 will that give me everything i need? |
| 06:11.01 | peterS | mp3j: I'm telling you to send an irc private message to 'dpkg', which is a bot |
| 06:11.04 | i3dmaster | Coke: well normally, runlevel 3 is for multi-user console mode and 5 is the X, but when I change to debian/ubuntu.. seems like 2..5 are the same thing |
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| 06:11.16 | peterS | puter: for compiling things you want a -dev package. I'm pretty sure libqt3-mt-dev is the one you want |
| 06:11.19 | mp3j | i got them the other day i didnt write them down i reinstalled linux they are suppose to help me watch dvd's |
| 06:11.23 | JoshH | i3dmaster: its the same on debian. |
| 06:11.23 | EvilSporkMan | dondelelcaro: i was discussing issues with packaging those two...packages in #ubuntu earlier...how has debian solved that? |
| 06:11.39 | JoshH | i3dmaster: debian doesnt use runlevels the same as fedora/mandrake/etc do |
| 06:11.40 | EvilSporkMan | dondelelcaro: we think that as long as it's not us putting out the .debs, it's fine, right? |
| 06:11.43 | dondelelcaro | EvilSporkMan: it's already packaged by marriat |
| 06:11.43 | peterS | mp3j: when you send a private message to dpkg saying "marillat", it will reply with instructions to get the files you're asking about |
| 06:11.46 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: 3rd party repository. |
| 06:11.50 | puter | peterS: okay. i see that one. i was just wondering if libqt3 was a metapackage for libqt3-* |
| 06:11.57 | dondelelcaro | EvilSporkMan: just point people at someone else's repository, and let them deal with the legal fallout |
| 06:12.01 | Coke | i3dmaster: yes, but you see, Debian doesn't just assume you want to use X so it doesn't have a default for it. |
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| 06:12.06 | peterS | puter: I'm not sure what it's a metapackage for, actually |
| 06:12.07 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego, dondelelcaro: yeah, the ubuntu people were concerned that that would even be a breach |
| 06:12.12 | i3dmaster | The issue here is I get use to log on to console mode and manually run gdm/kdm, and sometime if I messed up X, I can still have login to console mode |
| 06:12.15 | mp3j | peters, cool thanks |
| 06:12.24 | Coke | i3dmaster: I don't use any level besides 2, so having Debian setup the other levels would be overkill and waste of effort. |
| 06:12.29 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: That crud doesn't run on AMD64 anyway, so the point if moot for me. |
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| 06:12.43 | dondelelcaro | EvilSporkMan: what third parties do is none of their concern really... it just can't be distributed by anyone who is worried about legal liability |
| 06:13.00 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: WHAT?! O_O |
| 06:13.13 | mp3j | what legal liabilities? |
| 06:13.16 | dondelelcaro | EvilSporkMan: FE, I can tell you that you can go to sunset and vine if you want to see prostitution in action. However, I'm not condoning it. |
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| 06:13.27 | i3dmaster | Coke: well you have to use at least 1 2 and 6 |
| 06:13.32 | mp3j | what marillat do? |
| 06:13.45 | peterS | mp3j: did you try asking dpkg the bot? |
| 06:13.47 | dondelelcaro | mp3j: the fact that the codecs are owned by microsoft, and the last time I checked the license for their distribution wasn't particularly useful. |
| 06:13.50 | mp3j | ye si did |
| 06:14.02 | peterS | mp3j: it's called marillat because the packages are maintained by a guy named Christian Marillat |
| 06:14.14 | EvilSporkMan | dondelelcaro: actually i think you can't tell people where to find drugs either, at least not specifically |
| 06:14.14 | mp3j | he must be smart |
| 06:14.16 | EvilSporkMan | it's silly |
| 06:14.24 | cafuego | he's french |
| 06:14.29 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: no, he must be living in a country with nice copyright laws |
| 06:14.35 | dondelelcaro | EvilSporkMan: sure you can... depends on the specific wording, though. |
| 06:14.42 | nvz | this fucking supply mission on GTA-SA is fucking impossible I've been working on it for two days.. there just doesnt seem to be a way to get this toy plane back to the electronics shop after destroying the coriors without running out of fuel |
| 06:14.43 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: I think you can tell people where to find anything at all, except DeCSS |
| 06:14.47 | mp3j | what is a reposity or suppositoryu? |
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| 06:14.59 | peterS | mp3j: did you go to the web page you were given? |
| 06:15.02 | EvilSporkMan | peterS: *snicker* popular science PUBLISHED decss |
| 06:15.05 | dondelelcaro | mp3j: dict is your friend. |
| 06:15.09 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: oh, cool |
| 06:15.16 | mp3j | whats dict? |
| 06:15.18 | puter | what's the new cool thing to use in liu of 'apt-get' that takes care of dselect stuff for you? |
| 06:15.21 | EvilSporkMan | peterS: this was a long time ago...the 5 or 6 line perl implementation |
| 06:15.25 | peterS | puter: aptitude |
| 06:15.26 | puter | i cant believe i dont remember what it is.... |
| 06:15.26 | EvilSporkMan | puter: aptitute? synaptic? |
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| 06:15.28 | dondelelcaro | mp3j: apt-cache show dict; |
| 06:15.35 | cafuego | puter: aptitude? |
| 06:15.38 | puter | thanks peterS |
| 06:15.38 | jm_ | nvz: hah, I remember the helicopter mission in vice city, that was a bitch too - in fact there were several, one involved RC helicopter, and RC plane was annoying too |
| 06:15.41 | puter | yeah that's it |
| 06:15.43 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: are you lagging? |
| 06:15.46 | mp3j | donde le caro im in my windows machine at the time |
| 06:15.47 | puter | aptitude |
| 06:15.52 | mp3j | but thank u |
| 06:15.53 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: No, just multitasking |
| 06:15.55 | e_machinist | I'm on dial-up, is there anyway to get Sarge or Sid without having to pay 30 dollars to a company to burn them? |
| 06:15.58 | dondelelcaro | mp3j: well, then visit packages.debian.org/dict |
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| 06:16.17 | EvilSporkMan | e_machinist: find a user who lives by you and ask politely |
| 06:16.29 | nvz | jm_: I stayed up till like 3am last night and here I am at 1:15am tonight and still havent beat it |
| 06:16.30 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: hrm... I don't see that bug on bugs.debian.org/gnome-pannel |
| 06:16.32 | cafuego | e_machinist: Sure, provided you have untimed local calls, just grab an ISO overnight. |
| 06:16.38 | dondelelcaro | s/nn/n/ |
| 06:16.48 | nvz | jm_: I destroy all 5 coriers and the plan runs out of gas, every time |
| 06:16.55 | peterS | e_machinist: seriously, it should be possible to find a LUG in St. Louis |
| 06:17.02 | jm_ | nvz: I am still waiting for PC release of SA :( |
| 06:17.15 | EvilSporkMan | speaking of LUGs, anyone have any idea what happened to the University of Michigan LUG? |
| 06:17.17 | mp3j | how can i speed up the connection from the windows machines to my linux? connection between my 2 linux machines is good and from the linux to windows is good too only slow from windows to linux |
| 06:17.19 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Don't worry about finding it, i was mocking your ability to recall seemingly random bug numbers from thin air. |
| 06:17.19 | e_machinist | cafuego: Aren't the ISO's like 7 CDs in all? |
| 06:17.22 | peterS | nvz: maybe it'd help if you drank more |
| 06:17.28 | manchot | I am running pppoe for internet connection, does debian enable any type of IP filter for it? |
| 06:17.30 | cafuego | e_machinist: There's a nice 100Mb base ISO. |
| 06:17.31 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ahh... nah, I have to look them up |
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| 06:17.35 | e_machinist | peterS, I don't live in St. Louis, that is just where my connection is channeled through. |
| 06:17.37 | nvz | jm_: I want to just bitch slap his ass, and tell him be happy I did any of this.. I bought his damn store, saved his precious transmitters.. blah blah blah.. fuck his little plane |
| 06:17.43 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I just have a whole bunch of shortcuts for looking bugs up since I do it allot |
| 06:17.46 | dondelelcaro | s/ll/l/ |
| 06:17.46 | manchot | I mean does it add any filter running to connections by default? |
| 06:17.49 | peterS | manchot: nope |
| 06:17.50 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: <heh> |
| 06:17.55 | nvz | peterS: oh well we ran out of beer |
| 06:17.58 | i3dmaster | So I think I will try to change S13gdm (I use gdm) on runlevel 2 so that it would not auto start X. |
| 06:17.59 | e_machinist | cafuego, is that 100mb ISO listed on the debian site? |
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| 06:18.21 | cafuego | e_machinist: yep.. hold on... http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:18.25 | EvilSporkMan | e_machinist: yeah, i think you want to look under testing though |
| 06:18.33 | mp3j | still cant fix the run level problem? |
| 06:18.43 | cafuego | e_machinist: get the netinst one, that contains the base system. the business card ISo *NEEDS* net access. |
| 06:19.00 | EvilSporkMan | e_machinist: you will still need a network connection though |
| 06:19.04 | peterS | cafuego: yeah, it really is a case of 'download now or download later' (: |
| 06:19.14 | mp3j | ill ask again if i may................. |
| 06:19.18 | e_machinist | cafuego, thanks. Is the 100mb ISO severely limited in what it provides? |
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| 06:19.28 | i3dmaster | mp3j: I just want to login to console first and then manually to X. I don't like auto logon to X, so I will try disable it |
| 06:19.31 | EvilSporkMan | though, come to think of it...is there a way to use an existing debian machine as a repository? /var/cache/apt/archives has to be good for something |
| 06:19.36 | peterS | e_machinist: yeah, just a base system. pretty limited, but you do have a running system |
| 06:19.40 | e_machinist | EvilSporkMan, what do you mean I will still need a network connection? For the install to complete? |
| 06:19.42 | dondelelcaro | EvilSporkMan: yes... there is. |
| 06:19.49 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: setting the window manager to "entrance" seems to work in other distros |
| 06:19.50 | cafuego | e_machinist: yes, it provides the installer and the base system, no applications. You'd need to install those later. |
| 06:19.58 | EvilSporkMan | dondelelcaro: got a package name? ^_^ |
| 06:20.02 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: you can transfer /var/cache/apt/archives into an apt-proxy or apt-cacher cache which is then provided over http |
| 06:20.04 | mp3j | i3dmaster, thal be nice to learn |
| 06:20.05 | EvilSporkMan | oh |
| 06:20.10 | dondelelcaro | EvilSporkMan: apt-move |
| 06:20.17 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: use rcconf to disable xdm from starting on boot |
| 06:20.24 | dondelelcaro | !nodm |
| 06:20.24 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 06:20.27 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: I recommend apt-cacher especially if you already have apache set up. apt-proxy is only better if you don't have, or want, apache |
| 06:20.40 | mp3j | how can i speed up the connection from the windows machines to my linux? connection between my 2 linux machines is good and from the linux to windows is good too only slow from windows to linux |
| 06:20.52 | EvilSporkMan | peterS: actually, i was just thinking about it for incidental use - sometimes i'll be at a robotics competition and need a package |
| 06:20.56 | davidc__ | mp3j: What software are you using? samba? |
| 06:20.58 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: how are they connected? |
| 06:21.01 | mp3j | samba |
| 06:21.11 | mp3j | router and switch |
| 06:21.11 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: ahhh. probably apt-mode as dondelelcaro said |
| 06:21.19 | i3dmaster | EvilSporkMan: what does that mean? I do not quite get it |
| 06:21.24 | dondelelcaro | le apt mode |
| 06:21.29 | davidc__ | mp3j: so you're mounting the linux samba server on windows, and its slow to copy files to the server.... |
| 06:21.42 | i3dmaster | EvilSporkMan: ok let me try that |
| 06:21.43 | mp3j | no its slow to read from linux |
| 06:21.45 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah yeah |
| 06:21.47 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: install rcconf, or ask in #ubuntu what the equivalent is. run it as root, and look for "xdm" or "gdm" or "kdm" |
| 06:21.55 | RjY | You could just make /var/cache/apt/archives an NFS mount... It's dirty, but it works |
| 06:21.56 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: stop those from starting on boot |
| 06:21.59 | mp3j | it takes a while to load the shares |
| 06:22.07 | EvilSporkMan | RjY: you also need the lists of sources or what have you |
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| 06:22.19 | davidc__ | mp3j: just to mount, or get a list of files? |
| 06:22.25 | i3dmaster | ok, that sounds like what I really need |
| 06:22.48 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: also see a page or so up when dondelelcaro said !nodm and dpkg replied |
| 06:22.55 | mp3j | davidc__, list of files |
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| 06:23.12 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: honestly, if you duplicate /var/cache/apt/ (both the archives/ dir and the pkgcache.bin file), you can probably use 'apt-get install' on the other machine and it'll just work |
| 06:23.21 | i3dmaster | EvilSporkMan: just installed the rcconf. what runlevel this rcconf is editing on. Does it affect all runlevels or just the one I am running on? |
| 06:23.23 | EvilSporkMan | peterS: oh, hrm |
| 06:23.28 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: pkgcache.bin is regenerated by 'apt-get update' so just don't run that (: |
| 06:23.39 | i3dmaster | ok |
| 06:23.44 | mp3j | davidc__, list of files |
| 06:23.46 | davidc__ | mp3j: I see the same symptoms here.. windows lags out when getting a large set of file listings... I haven't found a solution yet. |
| 06:23.57 | mp3j | exactly!!!! |
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| 06:24.14 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: i have no idea, but i think debian by default uses just 0 for booting, 1 for single-user, 2-5 for normal, and 6 for reboot. as long as you don't switch around in 2-5, you're fine |
| 06:24.18 | mp3j | thast my problem losts of files such as mp3' |
| 06:24.30 | davidc__ | mp3j: I believe the problem is with windows, rather than debian, as the same thing happens when I mount a windows server. |
| 06:24.41 | e_machinist | Whoa... I found a LUG that meets about a block from me.... who would have known. |
| 06:24.45 | i3dmaster | EvilSporkMan: ok got it |
| 06:24.53 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: great |
| 06:24.57 | i3dmaster | I disabled kdm and gdm both |
| 06:24.58 | mp3j | davidc__, sorry to say this in this channel but with knoppix is faster |
| 06:25.00 | peterS | e_machinist: heh, cool. I bet you could get hold of debian sarge isos from someone there |
| 06:25.06 | EvilSporkMan | one last time: anyone know anything about the University of Michigan LUG? |
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| 06:25.21 | davidc__ | mp3j: knoppix doesn't have a samba server, last I checked ;) |
| 06:25.25 | mp3j | EvilSporkMan, why dont you google it? |
| 06:25.27 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: then something is enabled by default on knoppix |
| 06:25.33 | i3dmaster | EvilSporkMan: I do see there is "entrance" rc script there? wonder what is that....? |
| 06:25.34 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: I'm in Big 12 country, we don't talk to you |
| 06:25.35 | EvilSporkMan | mp3j: did that, the page hasn't been updated in about 4 years |
| 06:25.37 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: I think they might be in Michigan |
| 06:25.40 | mp3j | davidc__, better check again |
| 06:25.40 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: don't screw with that |
| 06:25.53 | EvilSporkMan | i3dmaster: that was just the gentoo way...i have no idea what it does |
| 06:25.53 | davidc__ | mp3j: I may be wrong, 'never said I'm omnipotent. |
| 06:26.09 | e_machinist | peterS, I shall try. And I should join while I am at it. |
| 06:26.09 | davidc__ | mp3j: Why not copy the smb.cnf from knoppix over to your debian box and edit as appropriate? |
| 06:26.16 | mp3j | i wonder whats wrong? |
| 06:26.18 | i3dmaster | EvilSporkMan: well I will leave it as it is |
| 06:26.26 | qwertz | Hi! Is it in any way predictable which process the kernel will kill when it runs out of resources? |
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| 06:26.42 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: i was just hoping someone from there was in here...i'd rather not try to start a LUG by myself especially since i'm not clear on what one does ^^; |
| 06:26.45 | mp3j | thast exactly what i was thinking only thet there are certain entries i dont know |
| 06:26.47 | i3dmaster | Great, let me reboot my box and hopeful I can get back... |
| 06:26.57 | puter | hey peterS, i just did 'aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev' and i still get an error telling me that Qt >= 3 is not installed... waht gives? |
| 06:27.00 | peterS | qwertz: unfortunately you can't really. it tries to pick a memory hog that's running away, but it doesn't always guess well |
| 06:27.15 | mp3j | i3dmaster, lemme know how it go |
| 06:27.17 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: LUGs run help mailing lists and tend to have meetings for special interest groups every now and then. |
| 06:27.20 | peterS | puter: I don't know, that should have worked |
| 06:27.32 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: They soemtimes also provided people with install ISOs and have InstallFests. |
| 06:27.34 | peterS | puter: you might check your config.log file to see what it's looking for and why it didn't find it |
| 06:27.37 | davidc__ | oh, mp3j: Check if the hide files option is set.... |
| 06:27.49 | puter | peterS: checking........... |
| 06:27.49 | davidc__ | and ensure that its not set to debug |
| 06:27.49 | mp3j | where? |
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| 06:27.56 | davidc__ | smb.cnf I would assume.... |
| 06:27.59 | davidc__ | not sure though |
| 06:28.03 | mp3j | ok |
| 06:28.05 | mp3j | will do |
| 06:28.11 | mp3j | whats the entry? |
| 06:28.29 | davidc__ | I think its just hide... I'm looking at a samba performance tuning guide.... |
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| 06:29.02 | mp3j | i should have started with this linux thing 5 years ago the first time i saw it |
| 06:29.08 | mp3j | its hard to switch |
| 06:29.15 | *** part/#debian martalli (~Bryan@cm-ilsttn624.madisontelco.com) |
| 06:29.18 | mp3j | but i wanna switch b4 my friends |
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| 06:30.15 | mp3j | you guys in europe? |
| 06:30.20 | tictric | anybody 'round who's on speaking terms with capi4hylafax? |
| 06:30.24 | mp3j | or cant get some sleep? |
| 06:30.51 | cafuego | neither |
| 06:30.55 | davidc__ | mp3j: No, we're nocturnal, like all great coders. |
| 06:31.10 | cafuego | I assume you're in the US, then. |
| 06:31.11 | mp3j | on ething i really have to say i admire for all the knowledge you people possed is a shame that you guys dont try alittle harder to share it |
| 06:31.32 | mp3j | im in nj |
| 06:31.57 | mp3j | i bet most of you have tried to hack my box and stuff but be my guest |
| 06:32.17 | mp3j | social engineering works wonders |
| 06:32.21 | _joey | I have supercom NIC , does anyone know which module I should use for this card? |
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| 06:32.24 | cafuego | mp3j: Why would we do that? it's 1) illegal and 2) a waste of time. |
| 06:32.28 | peterS | mp3j: we have much better things to do than hack random boxes |
| 06:32.36 | i3dmaster | I AM BACK! |
| 06:32.52 | mp3j | thats what i think why would you want to hack a lousy user box hack billy |
| 06:32.55 | i3dmaster | That's the esaiest way I guess to set it up |
| 06:33.05 | mp3j | i3dmaster, how did it go? |
| 06:33.24 | i3dmaster | mp3j: It works exactly the way I wanted... |
| 06:33.28 | peterS | mp3j: honestly, why would we hack anybody? we've got our own linux boxes, who could ask for anything more? |
| 06:33.29 | davidc__ | mp3j: There's no point in hacking anyone. its too easy in most cases, and in all other cases boring. Unless the victim is a spammer, in which case its bring out the rm -rf |
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| 06:33.40 | CharlesBrown | auth_param basic program /usr/lib/squid/ncsa_auth /etc/squid/passwd |
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| 06:33.53 | CharlesBrown | What can I use to auth my passwd file, besides ncsa_auth |
| 06:33.53 | cafuego | davidc__: Why, when a simple iptables rule would fix things? |
| 06:33.56 | i3dmaster | I can login to pure console mode now and choose the dm that I like to start the X |
| 06:34.10 | peterS | CharlesBrown: eh - a little context? |
| 06:34.21 | cafuego | peterS: squid auth |
| 06:34.27 | peterS | oh ok |
| 06:34.42 | maher | i3dmaster: startx |
| 06:34.43 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: Have a look for a module that allows squid to use pam. |
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| 06:35.03 | davidc__ | cafuego: thats too much thinking. rm -rf is easier to type. and easier to embed in a shellcode. |
| 06:35.13 | qwertz | peterS, and I've no option to mark some processes as protected? |
| 06:35.17 | bob2 | silly windows machines eating my bandwidth |
| 06:35.20 | i3dmaster | maher: ya I used kdm |
| 06:35.24 | CharlesBrown | cafuego, You have an example squid.conf file? |
| 06:35.29 | CharlesBrown | One that is already configured. |
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| 06:35.38 | CharlesBrown | I just want to allow my ip, to proxy this box..with no password. |
| 06:35.40 | cafuego | davidc__: better still, simply append a mark to all packets on the spam box. |
| 06:35.41 | i3dmaster | but as long as I can go to console first and then I can pick up whichever I like |
| 06:35.43 | CharlesBrown | And squid.conf is way overwhelming. |
| 06:35.44 | peterS | qwertz: there are kernel patches floating around to let you do that. I don't *think* there's a mechanism in the standard kernel, other than to disable the OOM killer entirely |
| 06:35.51 | i3dmaster | This is greate! |
| 06:35.52 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: No, i don't use squid. |
| 06:35.57 | peterS | qwertz: or, equivalently, to provide way more swap than you need |
| 06:36.01 | i3dmaster | Thanks guys for help |
| 06:36.33 | jm_ | CharlesBrown: you don't need to use auth_param for such simple setups |
| 06:36.41 | _joey | what module should I use for nic with realtek chipsets? |
| 06:36.43 | mp3j | another point for the debian room i3happy for you dude |
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| 06:36.54 | bob2 | _joey: depends which realtek chipset |
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| 06:37.06 | bob2 | _joey: ne2k-pci or 8139too, usually |
| 06:37.11 | bob2 | (at least on 2.6) |
| 06:37.15 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: Then all you need to do is add your local network address range to the acl that is allowed. |
| 06:37.18 | jm_ | qwertz: someone's working on userspace OOM killer which might be easier to adjust |
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| 06:37.22 | Rennegade | well, I an compiling my first kernel. I hope it works. |
| 06:37.28 | _joey | bob2 I don't know |
| 06:37.39 | peterS | _joey: what does 'lspci | grep -i realtek' say about it? |
| 06:37.42 | cafuego | _joey: 'lspci' |
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| 06:37.58 | _joey | this card is on ms windows;) |
| 06:38.19 | peterS | _joey: if it says it's a realtek 8129 or 8139, that's the 8139too driver. if it says 8029, that's ne2k-pci |
| 06:38.25 | _joey | supercom ep-320x-r , I think it uses realtek chipset |
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| 06:38.40 | _joey | okay |
| 06:38.46 | cafuego | _joey: Is it newish? it'll use 8139too. |
| 06:38.54 | qwertz | peterS, jm_ thanks for the information! |
| 06:39.04 | peterS | _joey: well. I could tell you where to look in the registry to find out the details, but it'd probably almost be easier to open the case and look at the number printed on the NIC chip (: |
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| 06:39.52 | bob2 | hrm, scripting unfucking an upstream tarball is not much fun |
| 06:39.57 | Guerin | device manager |
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| 06:40.29 | Guerin | oops, I mean 'device mangler' |
| 06:40.39 | peterS | _joey: for the registry: run 'regedit' then navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\PCI. figure out which subkey corresponds to your NIC - it'll have the string VEN=10EC or similar in it. report that |
| 06:40.50 | mp3j | oh my god bob is here sorry guys im about to be banned anyway i had a much better time today than other days today u guys really helped me thanks and take care to the ones that helped |
| 06:40.54 | mp3j | and by the way |
| 06:41.06 | cafuego | peterS is *so* the #debian pci id bitch ;-) |
| 06:41.08 | mp3j | !fuck bob2 |
| 06:41.12 | peterS | cafuego: haha |
| 06:41.19 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:41.23 | cafuego | mp3j: That was totally uncalled for. |
| 06:41.26 | mp3j | take that for banning me this afternoon |
| 06:41.31 | mp3j | bye |
| 06:41.32 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:41.34 | bob2 | mp3j: I have no idea who you even are |
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| 06:41.37 | nagual | peterS: did you check that, or did you know that regkey out of the top of your head? |
| 06:41.42 | Guerin | that's some funny shit |
| 06:41.43 | bob2 | sorry you're not actually important to anyone |
| 06:41.49 | Guerin | people getting arsey about bannage |
| 06:41.53 | peterS | nagual: I know the key. but I might have gotten it wrong, it's been awhile |
| 06:41.55 | cafuego | bob2: he's gunna find ya, with jhis redneck shotgun.. he's gunna get ya... |
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| 06:42.02 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:42.06 | bob2 | I have my redneck katana |
| 06:42.32 | nagual | peterS: impressive :) |
| 06:42.34 | cafuego | PRETTY! |
| 06:42.45 | nagual | a real katana or a tourist one? :) |
| 06:42.53 | peterS | nagual: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet has a lot of interesting stuff in it. so that turns out to be pretty easy to remember (: |
| 06:43.09 | bob2 | nagual: redneck katana = iron rebar with an electrical tape handle |
| 06:43.13 | nagual | peterS: yea, now that you say it it makes sense. i never thought about it that way. |
| 06:43.16 | cafuego | !pci bitch is HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\PCI\{interface id}\VEN |
| 06:43.16 | dpkg | okay, cafuego |
| 06:43.23 | nevyn | is it just me or is slash completely bogus in threaded mode with overflow |
| 06:43.23 | nagual | bob2: lovely, a real one then. |
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| 06:43.38 | peterS | nevyn: slashdot? completely bogus in any display mode |
| 06:43.38 | *** mode/#debian [+b mp3j!*@*] by bob2 |
| 06:43.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
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| 06:44.07 | bob2 | don't want to disappoint the poor lad |
| 06:44.24 | peterS | cafuego: did that get cut off? not sure quite what you meant by it |
| 06:44.29 | nevyn | well the codes handling of more than 50 responces to a post more than the content... |
| 06:44.52 | chealer | nevyn: if you mean broken display in mozilla, I have that too |
| 06:45.10 | ricochet | so... are all you regulars debian maintainers and stuff? I've seen most of you here for years, everyday.. what do you guys all do? |
| 06:45.13 | bob2 | hrm, I can't reach brisbane anymore |
| 06:45.19 | nevyn | ricochet: not enough |
| 06:45.27 | bob2 | ricochet: surprisingly few |
| 06:45.31 | nevyn | ricochet: studying to become a tafe teacher currently |
| 06:45.42 | nevyn | ricochet: should go get a degree. |
| 06:45.47 | Guerin | what is tafe? |
| 06:45.48 | _joey | peterS, cafuego thanks it is realtek 8139 |
| 06:45.50 | nevyn | but lack the impetus. |
| 06:45.56 | nevyn | Guerin: umm community college |
| 06:46.09 | peterS | _joey: yeah, the 8139 series is the most popular realtek chip for the past 5 years at least |
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| 06:46.21 | nevyn | rtl8139 shit but cheap. |
| 06:46.23 | Guerin | nevyn: is it an acronym, or what? |
| 06:46.26 | peterS | nevyn: yeah |
| 06:46.30 | bob2 | Guerin: institute of technology maybe? |
| 06:46.31 | nevyn | Guerin: Technical and further education. |
| 06:46.35 | Coke | What? Since when is the netinst 104MB? |
| 06:46.37 | Guerin | ah, I see |
| 06:46.43 | bob2 | Coke: there's two of them |
| 06:46.48 | nevyn | Guerin: it's mostly a trade school. |
| 06:46.50 | Coke | I'm checking the one built yesterday |
| 06:46.52 | peterS | Coke: get the one for powerpc or ia64, it'll be even bigger, I bet |
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| 06:47.04 | nevyn | Guerin: it's about training as opposed to education. |
| 06:47.04 | bob2 | oh, I'm back |
| 06:47.14 | nevyn | bob2: and so quickly |
| 06:47.16 | Guerin | well, I bring western language and culture to the benighted souls of east asia |
| 06:47.16 | peterS | is this your dan2 incarnation, bob2? |
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| 06:47.27 | Coke | 104M is the best they can do with a "minimal iso"? |
| 06:47.37 | Coke | Woody isn't even that big after installation. |
| 06:47.38 | nevyn | Coke: pathetic isn't it. |
| 06:47.40 | Guerin | which leaves me rather a large amount of time and bandwidth with which to do as I please |
| 06:47.43 | peterS | Coke: it's not quite minimal. it's got the base system on it. the business card CD image doesn't have that |
| 06:47.45 | bob2 | peterS: this is the "northern australia dropped off the intarweb" edition of bob2 |
| 06:47.49 | ricochet | the only one of you I've actually has indirect human contact with was a friend worked with dondelelcaro at UCR, what do the rest of you do? |
| 06:47.50 | Guerin | Coke: there's a businesscard about 42MB |
| 06:47.57 | bob2 | Coke: that's with a full base system on it |
| 06:48.02 | peterS | Coke: it's also got the installation translated into about 800 languages |
| 06:48.03 | bob2 | Coke: the mini iso is 40MB or so |
| 06:48.11 | Coke | Guerin: 40M is what I consider a reasonable installed system size |
| 06:48.21 | peterS | maybe not 800 languages |
| 06:48.32 | nevyn | I kinda want to go to uni.. but I have a reasonably sensitive BS Detector. |
| 06:48.38 | Guerin | Coke: i don't recall what it comes out to in the end - I think about 90MB, though |
| 06:48.45 | bob2 | nevyn: the social side is fun ;) |
| 06:48.52 | Coke | Guerin: hm. I'll check it out. |
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| 06:49.01 | walnuck | can someone do me a test, wondering if its just me, i had two systems and applying Option "backingstore" "true" for the videocard sections on two linux machines really boosted the speed of apps rendering on screen..anyone wish to check this out (ctrl-alt-backspace on login window to restart Xserver).. it really has made a difference..just wondering on any others.. |
| 06:49.06 | nevyn | bob2: I keep thinking I'm getting kinda old for it. |
| 06:49.11 | Guerin | nevyn: if you pick the right faculty, you can use your BS detector to your advantage |
| 06:49.11 | Coke | Thought I'd try the latest build for some testing. |
| 06:49.13 | bob2 | nevyn: heh |
| 06:49.50 | nevyn | Guerin: and I've been helping a friend through his B of applied science |
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| 06:50.05 | walnuck | you can try this on any driver |
| 06:50.17 | nevyn | and when the lecturer writes that 0.000500 s == 500 ms I start to wonder at the value of what's being taught |
| 06:50.34 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:50.55 | dondelelcaro | geebus |
| 06:50.59 | Guerin | 500 microseconds? |
| 06:51.08 | nevyn | Guerin: that'd be 500 us |
| 06:51.10 | cafuego | milli |
| 06:51.15 | Guerin | yeah, I know |
| 06:51.22 | cafuego | 0.5s |
| 06:51.32 | Coke | 500ms is half a second. that's a huge frame of time. ;) |
| 06:51.53 | Guerin | 500 µs |
| 06:52.01 | Guerin | is rather less |
| 06:52.03 | cafuego | µ |
| 06:52.04 | nevyn | arrg stupid non utf terminal |
| 06:52.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:52.12 | Coke | My terminal does not like that. |
| 06:52.16 | cafuego | muuuuu! |
| 06:52.28 | dondelelcaro | mµµµµµµ! |
| 06:52.33 | nevyn | it's fast tho. |
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| 06:52.43 | bob2 | hrm, routing to brisbane seems quite fucked |
| 06:52.54 | Rennegade | hey when I cam compiling a kernel and it gives a warnign that something is depreciated, do I need to worry? |
| 06:52.56 | bob2 | cafuego: nevyn are you guys seeing anything weird? |
| 06:52.59 | nevyn | bob2: the other good one was that a 1mb file is 1024000 bytes |
| 06:53.05 | zeus_ | a |
| 06:53.13 | cafuego | bob2: I'm always on here via a shell trough brissie |
| 06:53.18 | nevyn | bob2: how wierd? |
| 06:53.22 | cafuego | bob2: .. and no issues atm. |
| 06:53.25 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: oi vay. That's when you walk into class with a clue-by-4... |
| 06:53.32 | bob2 | cafuego: hm, that's what I was doing until it disappeared |
| 06:53.44 | bob2 | nevyn: like traceroute's only get as far as sydney and melbourne |
| 06:53.44 | brainZzZ | but i didnt know what i was doing at first and lost em |
| 06:54.14 | nevyn | umm I think I'm connected to a us server. |
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| 06:54.37 | nevyn | bob2: things are working here. |
| 06:54.46 | bob2 | nevyn: hm, thanks |
| 06:54.59 | nevyn | bob2: what are you trying to get to? |
| 06:55.10 | bob2 | nevyn: I couldn't ssh to brisbane |
| 06:55.16 | bob2 | tho US and stuff worked |
| 06:55.22 | nevyn | oh. |
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| 06:55.40 | nevyn | hrm I can hit uwa |
| 06:56.16 | o_o | how can I install MacOs's ICO in KDE |
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| 06:56.40 | Guerin | walnuck: i don't have any videos on my bod now, and nothing else which will stress my display |
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| 06:57.13 | Guerin | not that I can think of, anyhow |
| 06:57.13 | miernik | dondelelcaro: no luck with my SCSI scanner so far |
| 06:57.13 | Guerin | walnuck: but I've put it in, I'll see how it runs later |
| 06:57.13 | Guerin | s/bod/box/ of course |
| 06:57.16 | o_O | how can I install MacOs's ICO in KDE |
| 06:57.22 | cafuego | o_O: Not. |
| 06:57.31 | raf256 | can I take my HDD to other debian/sarge system, and just cp my /var/apt/cache to other system? |
| 06:57.41 | Guerin | raf256: better to use apt-zip |
| 06:57.44 | raf256 | so that other systems apt-get ont have to download files |
| 06:57.49 | Guerin | or some other tool for the job |
| 06:57.53 | walnuck | Guerin, any videos on your what? |
| 06:57.54 | walnuck | !bod |
| 06:57.57 | raf256 | Guerin: how can I do it exacly> |
| 06:57.57 | nevyn | apt-move.. scp whatever |
| 06:58.00 | Guerin | walnuck: my box |
| 06:58.08 | bob2 | hrm, where's caphuso when you need him |
| 06:58.10 | nevyn | raf256: you can copy them lots of ways |
| 06:58.10 | bob2 | I need zsh help |
| 06:58.12 | Guerin | raf256: man apt-zip; man apt-move |
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| 06:58.20 | raf256 | nevyn: I can take my HDD as a hardware, compputers are not connected via lan |
| 06:58.26 | raf256 | oki |
| 06:58.29 | walnuck | raf256, enter " Option "backingstore" "true" " in your device section of your video card in the x config |
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| 06:58.37 | nevyn | raf256: well you have a bigger problem fix that ;) |
| 06:58.43 | ysothoth | Hey guys, how do I configure apt-get to use a temp directory other than /tmp ? |
| 06:59.06 | cafuego | yaoming: export $TMP |
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| 06:59.14 | bob2 | ysothoth: what does it use a tmp dir for? |
| 06:59.14 | cafuego | ysothoth: export $TMP |
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| 06:59.45 | ysothoth | cafuego: That's a temporary fix, which I have tried, thank you, I was hoping there would be a configuration option |
| 07:00.01 | azreal | hey peeps whatttt uppp?? |
| 07:00.10 | Guerin | azreal: ceiling |
| 07:00.12 | azreal | were u people at? |
| 07:00.18 | ysothoth | bob2: It may technically be dpkg I need to configure. tmp is used for pre-configuration scripts. |
| 07:00.20 | walnuck | Guerin, you can restart X, on the login screen (ctrl-alt-backspace) and see the performance gains on the apps |
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| 07:00.21 | Guerin | were we at what? |
| 07:00.28 | azreal | lol |
| 07:00.30 | azreal | u in alasaka |
| 07:00.37 | azreal | alaska? |
| 07:00.41 | azreal | lmfao |
| 07:00.49 | Guerin | walnuck: I don't use any apps with a meaningful gui, and when I do they run fas anyhow |
| 07:00.52 | azreal | im at my friends house on his name |
| 07:01.09 | Guerin | azreal: that explains your remarkable stupidity |
| 07:01.14 | ysothoth | btw my /tmp partition is mounted noexec nosuid... that's why I am asking how to change the behavior if anyone was curious :) |
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| 07:01.26 | ysothoth | It's also a loop device. |
| 07:01.28 | Guerin | and by extension, your friend's stupidity for allowing you to use his machine |
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| 07:02.02 | bob2 | ysothoth: mounting it noexec doesn't help security, tho |
| 07:02.49 | ysothoth | bob2: Only marginally. For example web haxors try to wget files into tmp, compile and execute them. |
| 07:03.05 | bob2 | ysothoth: which they can still do |
| 07:03.11 | bob2 | ysothoth: /lib/ld-2.3.2.so /tmp/rootkit |
| 07:03.16 | ysothoth | ya |
| 07:03.24 | ysothoth | I do understand that |
| 07:03.50 | ysothoth | This is automated shit not smart determined people. |
| 07:04.15 | bob2 | meh, the add-security vs breaking-shit equation seems all wrong to me |
| 07:04.22 | bob2 | if it's possible to change, it'll be in the dpkg man page |
| 07:04.28 | bob2 | (don't think it is, tho) |
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| 07:04.32 | ysothoth | Hehe, all right. |
| 07:04.57 | bob2 | breaking dpkg is the example that always comes up with people suggest /tmp be noexec by default |
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| 07:05.48 | ysothoth | Making it noexec by default would just confuse the heck out of people |
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| 07:06.15 | ipso | Anyone know how I can get the default syslog.conf file for Debian? |
| 07:06.37 | _joey | I can't insert a module in kernel with erroe message "incorrect module paramters invalid IO or IRQ parameters |
| 07:06.37 | walnuck | i still have an issue with x, anyone knows what driver my x is actually using, xdpyinfo spits out info not mentioning it, nor does my X log make it clear why its loading the fb.. is there a cmd-tool i can use to probe this? |
| 07:06.40 | Guerin | ipso: reinstall the package which contains it |
| 07:06.53 | walnuck | ipso, extract from a deb? |
| 07:06.59 | bob2 | _joey: if it's an ISA card, you need to provide those |
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| 07:07.08 | _joey | bob2: it's pci card |
| 07:07.13 | john | http://www.pueblotuspod.com/uploads/new-wall.png <---- :) |
| 07:07.20 | bob2 | _joey: and you're trying to use which module? |
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| 07:07.48 | _joey | lance |
| 07:08.06 | _joey | in 2.4.20 on woody |
| 07:08.07 | bob2 | _joey: wrong module |
| 07:08.26 | _joey | why? |
| 07:08.57 | bob2 | because it's for an ISA device |
| 07:09.01 | bob2 | which you apparently do not have |
| 07:09.10 | g | hello |
| 07:09.20 | g | every one here |
| 07:09.24 | _joey | hmm |
| 07:10.01 | g | someone talk with me? |
| 07:10.16 | Guerin | g: want to talk about the DPL election? |
| 07:10.36 | _joey | lspci outputs Ethernet controller Advanced Micro devices AMD 79c970 [PCnet Lance] |
| 07:10.41 | g | ya |
| 07:10.45 | _joey | interesting |
| 07:10.58 | ipso | Guerin: is there an easy way to do that with apt-get ? |
| 07:11.09 | Guerin | g: whasaya reckon about overfiend's decision to run? |
| 07:11.12 | bob2 | _joey: if you see it with lspci, then it's absolutely not a isa device |
| 07:11.17 | bob2 | _joey: try the pcnet32 module |
| 07:11.22 | ipso | Guerin: I just upgraded syslog, and it didn't ask to change the config like some packages do |
| 07:11.23 | _joey | okay |
| 07:11.26 | brainZzZ | there is not a 'new' scene called hardcore |
| 07:11.27 | jm_ | that's handled by pcnet32 module |
| 07:11.31 | g | idk |
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| 07:11.46 | _joey | uhh:) |
| 07:11.51 | _joey | I think it's going to work |
| 07:11.52 | _joey | thanks |
| 07:12.03 | g | joey |
| 07:12.06 | Guerin | ipso: if that's the package which contains it, extract it with ar and tar, and copy it into place |
| 07:12.29 | g | so that? |
| 07:14.12 | g | omg |
| 07:14.23 | sep | g |
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| 07:14.50 | g | y? |
| 07:14.50 | sep | g: do you have a question to ask or are you actualy looksing for a chatting channel |
| 07:15.03 | g | i have a question |
| 07:15.14 | sep | !tell g about ask |
| 07:15.42 | g | 3X |
| 07:16.24 | g | what would you do if i say FUCK U |
| 07:16.45 | Rydekull | hmm |
| 07:16.46 | Rydekull | !ops g |
| 07:16.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: g |
| 07:16.58 | bob2 | huh? |
| 07:17.07 | bob2 | g: are you actually that lame? |
| 07:17.32 | Guerin | ok, how about usb ethernet adaptors |
| 07:17.41 | Guerin | any of them actually work in free software? |
| 07:17.47 | cafuego | Guerin: Apparently. |
| 07:17.54 | pingouin_ | g: it's remember me a famous Ice-T song with body count : «tell us what to do ?» «fuck U» :=) |
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| 07:18.02 | g | fuck you all |
| 07:18.03 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, there exist kernel modules for some |
| 07:18.05 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure there's some "usb-ethernet" standard that they should all work |
| 07:18.09 | Guerin | cafuego: any idea which ones? my school has a huge box of them |
| 07:18.09 | pingouin_ | you too soon of a goat |
| 07:18.14 | Guerin | ah, cool |
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| 07:18.21 | peterS | bob2: I think that one's as "standard" as usb-serial, though |
| 07:18.22 | loren | anyone know which debian KDE based distribution is the easiest to use? |
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| 07:18.24 | Guerin | g: is that a promise? |
| 07:18.27 | pingouin_ | i kick you mother ass with my french dick |
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| 07:18.46 | bob2 | pingouin_: huh? |
| 07:18.51 | bob2 | is it Idiot Day and no one told me? |
| 07:18.57 | pingouin_ | :) |
| 07:18.57 | bob2 | peterS: hrm, ok |
| 07:18.58 | yaoming | how can I install MacOs's ICO in KDE |
| 07:18.59 | jm_ | Guerin: USB Network adapters in kernel config |
| 07:19.12 | pingouin_ | i love answering crude word :) |
| 07:19.18 | bob2 | pingouin_: please stop it |
| 07:19.21 | loren | is slackware debian based? |
| 07:19.22 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, the 'cdc-acm' kernel driver is supposed to cover some usb ethernet |
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| 07:19.23 | pingouin_ | ok ok :) |
| 07:19.27 | pingouin_ | sad...:) |
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| 07:19.33 | cafuego | loren: No, it's not. |
| 07:19.36 | loren | damn :( |
| 07:19.39 | Guerin | loren: no, it's slackware, |
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| 07:20.03 | loren | GuerinL haha :) im considiring trying it again, i had tons of problems trying to install i remember though |
| 07:20.05 | yaoming | damn shit ~ |
| 07:20.09 | loren | kindouf a rough install |
| 07:20.12 | Cuneyt | hi.. i'm using debian for now but why should i use gentoo or redhat or debian.. what're general differents between them? |
| 07:20.17 | peterS | wait, I could be wrong, the modules in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/usb/net/ seem more likely to be useful |
| 07:20.18 | spo0nman | oke, I have a sempron what shall I use as Processor type while compiling the kernel? there's no sempron option. is k63 family close to sempron or the athlon duron? |
| 07:20.26 | Guerin | !tell Cuneyt about why debian |
| 07:20.41 | bob2 | spo0nman: athlon |
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| 07:21.11 | cafuego | spo0nman: it's a K7. |
| 07:21.15 | spo0nman | bob2: oke. you know if there are there any works for sempron specific stuff? |
| 07:21.31 | bob2 | doubt it |
| 07:21.37 | bob2 | isn't it just an athlon with a crippled cache? |
| 07:21.41 | Guerin | yup |
| 07:21.48 | cafuego | I think so, yes. |
| 07:22.03 | jm_ | spo0nman: semprons are just athlon XP based on older core, then there are the ones based on 64-bit core, but they have 64bit extensions disabled |
| 07:22.09 | jm_ | athlons even |
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| 07:22.25 | spo0nman | jm_: :D how to check if mine has that? |
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| 07:22.39 | jm_ | spo0nman: what speed is it? |
| 07:22.43 | cafuego | spo0nman: it's a sempron. it has the sempron features. |
| 07:22.52 | spo0nman | jm_: can i re-enable it using a soldering iron (: |
| 07:23.01 | walnuck | what can i use as a mirror service? |
| 07:23.07 | Guerin | oh, better reboot into a stock kernel |
| 07:23.07 | jm_ | spo0nman: I have no idea, but I don't think so |
| 07:23.09 | spo0nman | jm_: 2800 |
| 07:23.22 | tictric | Anybody uses a fritzcard with capi4linux on sarge and it works? |
| 07:23.48 | tictric | After upgrading capi4linux it won't start anymore |
| 07:23.53 | spo0nman | cpuinfo says Mobile Sempron Processor 2800+ |
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| 07:24.11 | jm_ | spo0nman: yeah, that's the one based on XP core |
| 07:24.20 | tictric | could be in the libcapi-20 too, though |
| 07:24.46 | jm_ | spo0nman: http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/processors/sempron/ |
| 07:24.46 | tictric | Or anybody know how to track that error down? |
| 07:24.59 | g | bob2 and ChanServ ,FUCK YOU ALL |
| 07:25.00 | tictric | Logfiles messages are none too helpful actually |
| 07:25.16 | tictric | g: why don't you just leave? |
| 07:25.49 | SpamHog | jerome: >>screen >>splitmode did u try ratpoison? |
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| 07:26.06 | bob2 | how stupid can one user be? |
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| 07:26.19 | trig_hm | bob2: that's a loaded question. |
| 07:26.22 | peterS | "ain't that a kick in the head?" |
| 07:26.26 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:26.26 | cafuego | bob2: 73 |
| 07:26.29 | Rydekull | bob2: I am starting to think he has reached the limit when he's trying to tell a services something |
| 07:26.31 | jerome | bob2: |<------->| This much probably. I might be wrong. |
| 07:26.36 | jerome | SpamHog: nope. |
| 07:26.36 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:26.56 | spo0nman | pipeline:still there? |
| 07:26.59 | jerome | SpamHog: ratpoison is a WM anyway, isn't it ? |
| 07:27.17 | tictric | heck, no europeans with isdn 'round :( |
| 07:27.28 | SpamHog | jerome: yess, but for mouse haters |
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| 07:27.36 | brainZzZ | well for mouse/keyboard |
| 07:27.48 | jerome | brainZzZ: keyboard haters ? |
| 07:27.54 | bob2 | tictric: #debian.de is rumoured to be a good place to ask |
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| 07:27.55 | brainZzZ | mp3(mike jones - haters we squash em)!(320kbps/4m24s) |
| 07:27.58 | SpamHog | jerome: http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ |
| 07:27.58 | rvirani | hey all |
| 07:28.03 | jerome | SpamHog: I use sawfish and eventually ion2. |
| 07:28.04 | rvirani | cant seem to find xorg, whats the deal? |
| 07:28.05 | bob2 | for some reason ISDN took off in germany more than anywhere else |
| 07:28.11 | bob2 | brainZzZ: can you turn that off please? |
| 07:28.11 | rvirani | I treid apt-cache search xorg but it returns nothing |
| 07:28.14 | bob2 | rvirani: /topic |
| 07:28.21 | brainZzZ | come on, turn that off! |
| 07:28.23 | SpamHog | jerome: also check out the keyboard porn gallery |
| 07:28.24 | tictric | bob2: thanks, i'll have a look if somebody's there :-) |
| 07:28.26 | rvirani | bob2: ? |
| 07:28.37 | bob2 | rvirani: please read the channel topic |
| 07:28.43 | bob2 | rvirani: since it answers your question |
| 07:28.55 | SpamHog | jerome: ion2 has some of the same philosophy afaik |
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| 07:30.16 | jerome | SpamHog: yep, pretty similar in many ways. emacs like keychains bindings. |
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| 07:30.51 | rvirani | bob2: how |
| 07:30.53 | SpamHog | jerome: ratp. is still lighter & brutaler tho |
| 07:31.00 | rvirani | bob2: how _unsupported_ is xorg |
| 07:31.03 | bob2 | rvirani: ? |
| 07:31.06 | bob2 | rvirani: completely |
| 07:31.16 | bob2 | since it's not actually in Debian |
| 07:31.39 | rvirani | ahh |
| 07:31.41 | rvirani | xorg rules :D |
| 07:31.43 | SpamHog | jerome: go to the kb porn section and check the guy who sandpapered his keys as he disliked to have letters on them |
| 07:31.52 | SpamHog | :)) |
| 07:31.56 | rvirani | I will try it on my other system at some point, got a sweet gfx card |
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| 07:33.22 | trig_hm | what? |
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| 07:33.27 | trig_hm | oops wrong window, sorry |
| 07:33.28 | jerome | rvirani: ubuntu has xorg if you're lookingforward a debian based xorg enabled distro |
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| 07:33.33 | jerome | SpamHog: :) |
| 07:33.36 | Guerin | ok, seems it's a realtek 8150 chipset - is that one of the ones serviced by ne2k or something? |
| 07:33.47 | bob2 | Guerin: no, that's a new one |
| 07:33.50 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:34.02 | bob2 | Guerin: rtl8150 |
| 07:34.09 | jm_ | Guerin: what always works is lspci -n, then grep kernel source tree for the ID |
| 07:34.21 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:34.28 | bob2 | or just letting hotplug do that for you :P |
| 07:35.48 | Rydekull | I remember when hotplug came into debian and my friends laughed at me for using it and I was like "wtf? it's so much easier, so just shut up" |
| 07:35.53 | Rydekull | and now all are using it ::P |
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| 07:35.59 | bob2 | hahaha |
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| 07:37.29 | jm_ | I use hotplug for one purpose only - to mount my USB pen drive when I insert it |
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| 07:37.40 | bob2 | I use it to load everything |
| 07:37.46 | Rydekull | yeah, me too |
| 07:37.50 | bob2 | yay for not fucking around with stuff anymore |
| 07:37.51 | Rydekull | it's so sweet and usefull :D |
| 07:37.51 | brainZzZ | me too. |
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| 07:38.02 | jm_ | yeah it loads USB modules for me as a side effect, but I have them in /etc/modules anyway |
| 07:38.05 | bob2 | then g-v-m mounts shit for me |
| 07:38.19 | bob2 | it's way more useful now I just use a distro kernel |
| 07:38.35 | nevyn | jm_: hrm I use hotplug and udev and hal and gnome-volume-manager to do that. |
| 07:38.36 | jm_ | I don't have that problem ;) |
| 07:38.38 | ysothoth | THE weirdest thing happened to my system... /dev/null was messed up, it was just a regular file instead of a device |
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| 07:38.49 | ysothoth | bob2 - so much for security huh :) |
| 07:38.51 | nevyn | and then it can tell the difference between the usbkey and the camera |
| 07:38.52 | bob2 | ysothoth: udev? |
| 07:38.54 | jm_ | nevyn: yes, those tools make it easy and more consistent |
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| 07:39.07 | bob2 | ysothoth: udev does that sometimes and no one quite knows why |
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| 07:39.37 | ysothoth | hrm |
| 07:40.15 | bob2 | oh god, so hungry |
| 07:40.30 | ysothoth | bob2 - nope don't have udev installed. |
| 07:40.38 | jc-denton | gpdf needs about an hour to start and crashes then (on sarge x86) |
| 07:40.40 | jc-denton | why?! |
| 07:40.45 | ysothoth | Cool... it is a real mystery now :) |
| 07:40.48 | bob2 | ysothoth: weird then |
| 07:40.50 | jc-denton | it worked fine some time ago.. |
| 07:40.54 | bob2 | that's just bizarro disk corruption then |
| 07:40.59 | ysothoth | Yep |
| 07:41.12 | ysothoth | I don't drink any more so it can't be that :) |
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| 07:41.52 | ysothoth | I see |
| 07:42.07 | ysothoth | Let me check my chroot |
| 07:42.20 | ysothoth | No devs in there. |
| 07:42.23 | bob2 | I think I caught postfix doing that once |
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| 07:47.06 | ff | hi |
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| 07:48.14 | sameer | hello? |
| 07:48.33 | sameer | can someone help mee with heelp in programming.. |
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| 07:48.45 | sameer | network programming |
| 07:48.55 | zinx | sameer: probably not. |
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| 07:49.05 | sameer | ok |
| 07:49.07 | zinx | sameer: but if you pay them enough, they'll do it for you |
| 07:49.17 | sameer | well i ll do it free.. |
| 07:49.21 | peterS | sameer: try to find a forum appropriate to the language you are writing your program in, I suppose. if it's perl, try #perl, for example |
| 07:49.31 | sameer | i m looking for C |
| 07:49.36 | Rydekull | heh |
| 07:49.37 | simonrvn | #c then |
| 07:49.39 | Rydekull | Use google? |
| 07:49.50 | peterS | Rydekull: yeah, google for "c" will be very useful I'm sure |
| 07:49.51 | Guerin | hrm, well, it probed ok, registered as a NIC, came up, but I couldn't ping anything, and the machine locked up hard when I tried to rmmod |
| 07:49.57 | Guerin | modprobe -r, I mean |
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| 07:50.00 | sameer | well googlee aint help specific to my projeect |
| 07:50.10 | Rydekull | peterS: You do know you can specify your google searches a bit more? |
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| 07:50.26 | bob2 | googling for anything to do with C is screwed |
| 07:50.26 | peterS | sameer: you can always ask here. we just won't *necessarily* be interested in helping you |
| 07:50.29 | sameer | i want to do a C program to use the samba protocol |
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| 07:50.47 | jm_ | sameer: there are nice books and even libc has decent docs: apt-get install glibc-doc ; info libc -> Sockets |
| 07:51.00 | peterS | sameer: apt-get install libsmbclient-dev |
| 07:51.04 | simonrvn | look at the samba code, and see how they d it. maybe it'll give you ideas. they also have devel's docs too |
| 07:51.05 | peterS | sameer: use that |
| 07:51.08 | sameer | hey thanx |
| 07:51.11 | sameer | ill try that |
| 07:51.12 | simonrvn | s/d /do / |
| 07:51.23 | jm_ | ahh that's too high level for libc stuff ;) |
| 07:51.27 | dabreegster | Can somebody recommend an X terminal emulator that can do background images, customizable fonts (some larger ones), and ANSI colors just like on the console? Aterm, gnome-terminal, and eterm can all do the transparent background, but none of them will do ANSI colors (i'm using setterm -foreground green) |
| 07:51.27 | Coke | Hey, has anybody successfully installed the Sarge netinstall from 050330? There's a damn file missing and it won't tell me which one so I can check whether it is a CD error or a HUGE fuckup by the netinst maintainer. |
| 07:51.29 | simonrvn | peterS: :) |
| 07:51.37 | sameer | well samba code is too complex |
| 07:51.39 | simonrvn | jm_: heh |
| 07:51.54 | peterS | dabreegster: eh? they can all do ansi colors |
| 07:51.59 | bob2 | Coke: are you sure your image is not currupt? |
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| 07:52.27 | simonrvn | i won't have problems sleeping tonight ;) |
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| 07:52.37 | bob2 | heh |
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| 07:52.44 | peterS | dabreegster: if you read 'man setterm', you will notice that the -foreground option says "virtual consoles only" |
| 07:52.52 | sameer | hey is there any samba experts heere |
| 07:52.54 | peterS | dabreegster: that means *no* terminal emulators will do it, you have to use a text console in linux |
| 07:53.06 | yam | sameer: whats ur prob |
| 07:53.21 | bob2 | sameer: #samba |
| 07:53.25 | Coke | bob2: that's what I don't know. I can try to read the file from the CD manually because I don't know which one it is. |
| 07:53.27 | dabreegster | peterS: xterms cant do ansi color? |
| 07:53.28 | Guerin | ur's prob is that it got wiped out thousands of years ago |
| 07:53.33 | Coke | bob2: any way to make a media scan? |
| 07:53.38 | bob2 | Coke: I mean, md5sum blah.iso |
| 07:53.39 | sameer | how do i goto #samba? |
| 07:53.41 | peterS | dabreegster: they can, but you can't use "setterm -foreground green" on them |
| 07:53.46 | bob2 | Coke: there should be an option on the main installer menu |
| 07:53.48 | simonrvn | /join #samba |
| 07:53.59 | dabreegster | peterS: I'll try echoing the terminal sequence |
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| 07:54.05 | sameer | thanx guys |
| 07:54.06 | Coke | bob2: nevermind. I'll download the RC3 now. |
| 07:54.11 | peterS | dabreegster: changing the foreground color from outside the app is something those apps can't do. it's an extension supported by the Linux console |
| 07:54.39 | peterS | dabreegster: actually hold on. install 'xtermcontrol' and use that for this purpose. it is specific to xterm, but it does what you want. |
| 07:54.53 | dabreegster | peterS: alright |
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| 07:55.16 | dabreegster | peterS: I'm just trying to mimic my console environment on an x terminal. |
| 07:55.24 | jm_ | peterS: xterm can do it |
| 07:55.25 | simonrvn | ah |
| 07:55.39 | peterS | jm_: setterm -foreground can't control xterm though |
| 07:55.53 | simonrvn | i do that with black background and light grey text |
| 07:55.55 | jm_ | peterS: yeah, I meant changing colours on the fly, sorry |
| 07:55.58 | peterS | dabreegster: well, look into X resources and your ~/.Xresources file. that's the best way to set this stuff permanently. for experimenting, use xtermcontrol, as it's quicker |
| 07:56.09 | jm_ | yeah xtctl is much easier |
| 07:56.10 | Guerin | and uni_vga font :) |
| 07:56.11 | yaoming | how to install MacOs ico ? |
| 07:56.20 | Guerin | what is ico? |
| 07:56.25 | simonrvn | what? |
| 07:56.30 | yaoming | MACOS |
| 07:56.33 | bob2 | icons maybe? |
| 07:56.37 | peterS | dabreegster: for example, my .Xresources file has a line: XTerm.vt100.foreground: #faebd7 |
| 07:56.42 | peterS | dabreegster: that does exactly what you think it does |
| 07:56.46 | yaoming | pacakage name ? |
| 07:56.47 | Guerin | !htfswk yaoming |
| 07:56.48 | dpkg | yaoming: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 07:56.49 | bob2 | cocks |
| 07:56.52 | peterS | dabreegster: and pay attention to capitalisation (: |
| 07:56.54 | bob2 | spoofed bounces are evil |
| 07:56.57 | yam | I have not been able to solve my filesystem charset problem... its quite weird |
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| 07:56.59 | dabreegster | Is xterm the best terminal emulator for mimicing a console environment? I was thinking of running screen in an xterm |
| 07:57.07 | dabreegster | peterS: ok |
| 07:57.12 | yaoming | shit,~ |
| 07:57.16 | bob2 | yaoming: no one really understands what you want, maybe you could explain what you're trying to do |
| 07:57.26 | peterS | dabreegster: well, it doesn't have background image support. but other than that I think it's as good as any |
| 07:57.28 | bob2 | dabreegster: xterm's probably still the "best" emulator around |
| 07:57.32 | bob2 | except maybe pterm |
| 07:57.58 | zinx | temu will be the best, once i actually implement all the common features :P |
| 07:58.14 | dabreegster | I'm going for my current console environment + bigger resolutions, background image, and maybe some nicer fonts. |
| 07:58.17 | bob2 | writing a terminal emulator is amazingly shitty |
| 07:58.33 | yaoming | I want to install MacOs theme |
| 07:58.35 | peterS | dabreegster: likewise, though, you could put "Rxvt.foreground: #faebd7" in ~/.Xresources if you want to use rxvt, which does support background images. likewise for Aterm.foreground and aterm, which supports pseudo-transparency |
| 07:58.36 | zinx | bob2: all the crap part is done, except i need to rewrite the screen buffer to support combining characters |
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| 07:58.44 | bob2 | zinx: oh, cool |
| 07:59.14 | zinx | bob2: it's more VT200 compliant than xterm, and a lot of the escapes aren't even implemented :/ |
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| 07:59.48 | zinx | (mostly stuff like printing, which oddly xterm does implement) |
| 07:59.49 | peterS | zinx: is there a reason to reimplement a vtNNN virtual machine rather than improving the zterm widget or whatever they are calling that thing in gnome these days? |
| 07:59.58 | zinx | peterS: yes |
| 08:00.03 | zinx | peterS: vte IS COMPLETE FUCKING SHIT |
| 08:00.10 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 08:00.15 | peterS | that'd be a valid reason |
| 08:00.19 | zinx | peterS: it is _THE WORST_ terminal emulator, appart from possibly konsole, which i've not used much. |
| 08:00.32 | bob2 | konsole was pretty bad |
| 08:00.39 | zinx | aterm/xterm/rxvt/whatever are all _FAR_ better than vte |
| 08:00.39 | bob2 | mac os's terminal emulator is worse |
| 08:00.42 | bob2 | but not by much |
| 08:00.49 | peterS | zinx: so what's bad about xterm and the rxvt family? |
| 08:01.01 | Guerin | win98's terminal emulator eats keystrokes |
| 08:01.03 | zinx | peterS: no multiple font support |
| 08:01.13 | bob2 | haha |
| 08:01.13 | zinx | peterS: xterm does unicode these days, but that's useless without supporting multiple fonts |
| 08:01.20 | ix | let's start a flamewar! |
| 08:01.21 | darkskiez | why would my machine start generating bad udp checksums? |
| 08:01.30 | bob2 | dabreegster: bad cable? |
| 08:01.30 | simonrvn | zinx: exactly |
| 08:01.38 | peterS | zinx: rxvt has skeletal support for handling multiple fonts. I guess they didn't develop it as far as you're saying though |
| 08:01.41 | zinx | Guerin: win98 doesn't have a terminal emulator.. it has a video card emulator |
| 08:01.45 | peterS | plus it's in C++ so it's no fun to hack on |
| 08:01.47 | darkskiez | why would my machine start generating bad udp checksums? tcpdump is run locally or remotely and says they are wrong. |
| 08:01.55 | Guerin | zinx: eh? |
| 08:02.01 | bob2 | well-written C++ can be nice to hack on |
| 08:02.02 | zinx | Geurin: well, wait.. i guess telnet could almost be considered a terminal emulator |
| 08:02.13 | zinx | Guerin: that would definitely be the worst ;) |
| 08:02.22 | Guerin | yeah, it's the pits |
| 08:02.28 | peterS | zinx: tn3270 |
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| 08:02.36 | peterS | there's a fun terminal emulator |
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| 08:02.42 | bob2 | hah |
| 08:02.46 | bob2 | yay for non-free emulators |
| 08:02.53 | zinx | hehe |
| 08:02.56 | peterS | also a champion for the 'fat client' cause |
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| 08:03.20 | zinx | on that note, it would be peachy if someone could take over my gimp plugin, because i really have too many projects already to add it to the list |
| 08:03.25 | jm_ | we even had a use for tn3270 last year with out S/390 emulator |
| 08:03.31 | bob2 | haha |
| 08:03.37 | peterS | jm_: isn't c3270 free? |
| 08:03.42 | bob2 | you have to use a 3270 to connect to hercules? |
| 08:03.49 | zinx | jm_: :o |
| 08:04.09 | peterS | bob2: linux on s390 accepts normal ascii and telnet and ssh and stuff. maybe other OSes on hercules would require a 3270 |
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| 08:04.17 | bob2 | ah |
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| 08:04.27 | bob2 | where "many" = "the other two ibm ported to it"? ;) |
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| 08:04.31 | jm_ | peterS: no idea |
| 08:04.34 | peterS | bob2: heh |
| 08:04.38 | brainZzZ | yeah you can do better than that ;) |
| 08:04.40 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:04.59 | jm_ | we have a hadrware s/390 emulator, it was hercules at first while we were waiting for it, but that things is quite nice |
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| 08:05.22 | jm_ | and my typing's still horrible |
| 08:05.23 | aokaze | hello everyone |
| 08:05.26 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:05.27 | bob2 | ah, cool |
| 08:05.40 | bob2 | wait, a *hardware* emulator? |
| 08:05.47 | bob2 | but not an actual machine? |
| 08:05.53 | jm_ | bob2: you stick it into a PC |
| 08:05.57 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 08:05.59 | simonrvn | don't worry, you're not the only one with bad typing ;) |
| 08:06.11 | simonrvn | hah, neat |
| 08:06.20 | jm_ | of course the PC has to come from IBM |
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| 08:06.30 | bob2 | that's very sparc-computer-in-a-5.25-inch-bay |
| 08:06.37 | bob2 | tho I always wanted one of them |
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| 08:08.01 | michal_ | don't suppose any s/390's are going cheap on ebay? |
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| 08:09.54 | peterS | michal_: hehe |
| 08:09.56 | jm_ | michal_: you'd need more power too |
| 08:10.14 | simonrvn | like a factory's power intake ;p |
| 08:10.15 | bob2 | not everyone has 3-phase |
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| 08:10.58 | michal_ | is having air-conditioning enough? |
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| 08:11.04 | peterS | bob2: also something like a CP/M card (a Z80) for an Apple II or something |
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| 08:11.16 | peterS | michal_: no |
| 08:11.33 | peterS | michal_: you probably need 3-phase power, like bob2 said. and you probably don't already have it |
| 08:11.38 | simonrvn | AC is just 2 phase |
| 08:11.46 | michal_ | i thought air-conditioning here used 3 phase power |
| 08:11.57 | peterS | michal_: depends on the size of the air conditioner |
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| 08:12.11 | aokaze | I been looking to get a laptop to put linux on. preferably an AMD64 at an affordable price but still works with linux especialy the modem. Can someone give me some suggestions, websites, price listings? |
| 08:12.14 | peterS | michal_: industrial ones probably do |
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| 08:12.48 | michal_ | what's the type of power that has to be installed for split-systems then? |
| 08:12.51 | bob2 | aokaze: linux-laptops.net has lots of info |
| 08:13.04 | aokaze | thanks |
| 08:13.11 | peterS | michal_: you've lost me. I don't know what you mean by that. my knowledge of this stuff is extremely shallow |
| 08:13.11 | bob2 | aokaze: but it'll be hard to find one with a working modem; you might be better off choosing a nice laptop and getting a PCMCIA modem card |
| 08:13.20 | bob2 | they're almost always hardware, aiui |
| 08:13.22 | brainZzZ | you too! :) |
| 08:14.05 | michal_ | peters: here any air-conditioning which is likely to cool more than a room requires special power to be installed and metered seperately. i thought this was 3 phase power.. but i don't actually know |
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| 08:14.44 | peterS | michal_: well, possibly. in the US, our normal power is 110V, most air conditioners take 220V. but that's not 3-phase, just two 110V lines running 180 degrees out, so 2-phase |
| 08:15.30 | sep | most houses have 3phase to the fuse box, and spit the 3phase to different ciruitcs in the house to get a even load across the 3 phases, so it's ususly trivial to get a 3phase connector somewhere in the house |
| 08:16.02 | peterS | sep: how do you get 220V from that? you have to have two lines 180 degrees apart |
| 08:16.11 | peterS | not 120 degrees |
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| 08:16.30 | bob2 | this reminds me why I hated first year physics |
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| 08:17.15 | simonrvn | @wb bob2_ |
| 08:17.16 | ravenbird | Welcome back bob2_, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 08:17.32 | aokaze | another question. I never used wlan before and when I get a laptop I plan on useing that. what is Debians status on wlan devices and is there documentation on how to select connections when going around to internet caffes and other places with wireless |
| 08:17.32 | bob2 | how odd |
| 08:17.43 | bob2 | yeah, it's easy |
| 08:18.05 | bob2 | most of the gui tools are useless, tho |
| 08:18.29 | timmeh | whats a good program to monitor my ram in detail? |
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| 08:18.53 | yam | I have set up a new fileserver, with sarge... I can create files/folders with special chars (french, spanish and portuguese), but the old data that I migrated from a woody server using tar, its fucked up... been trying to fix this for 2 days |
| 08:18.57 | aokaze | in detail? cat /proc/kcore lol |
| 08:19.03 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:19.17 | bob2 | timmeh: memtest86 |
| 08:19.22 | bob2 | but it requires rebooting |
| 08:19.29 | bob2 | yam: use a decent filesystem |
| 08:19.31 | bob2 | ie not fat |
| 08:19.39 | kaner | bob2: thats not monitor, thats a test |
| 08:19.46 | bob2 | yes |
| 08:19.50 | bob2 | what do you want to monitor? |
| 08:19.54 | yam | bob2: its an ext3 fs |
| 08:19.56 | g | how to set the monitor's horizontal sync range |
| 08:19.58 | kaner | timmeh asked for a monitor |
| 08:19.59 | timmeh | thanx bob |
| 08:20.18 | timmeh | um |
| 08:20.22 | kaner | g: in XFree86Config |
| 08:20.26 | timmeh | how much ram the proccess are using |
| 08:20.29 | g | yes |
| 08:20.32 | bob2 | timmeh: "top" |
| 08:20.32 | timmeh | i use top |
| 08:20.33 | kaner | timmeh: man top |
| 08:20.34 | g | i'm here |
| 08:20.36 | timmeh | and |
| 08:20.40 | timmeh | one process is using |
| 08:20.42 | timmeh | 58% |
| 08:20.44 | bob2 | yam: did you unpack it with the same locale as you packed it? |
| 08:20.51 | timmeh | and the rest say 0 0 0 0 kinda thign |
| 08:20.53 | MobyTurbo | !enter |
| 08:20.53 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 08:20.59 | g | 28-50? |
| 08:21.01 | timmeh | tho my servers sitting on like 91% useage |
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| 08:21.27 | yam | bob2: probably thats the problem... new server is utf8, old I think it was iso-8859-1 |
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| 08:21.34 | MobyTurbo | g: use what your monitor manual says is proper. DON'T just pick something at random, you can damage your monitor. |
| 08:21.36 | yam | bob2: how can I fix this now? |
| 08:21.37 | bob2 | there you go |
| 08:21.37 | peterS | yam: yeah, that *is* the problem |
| 08:21.39 | RjY | hahaha em dashes. My tab completion character is an emdash... |
| 08:21.51 | yam | yeah |
| 08:21.58 | bob2 | yam: unpack with LOCALE set to something non-utf, maybe |
| 08:22.01 | bob2 | I dunno much about this |
| 08:22.21 | peterS | bob2: I don't think tar etc. actually care about locales, they just treat filenames as opaque tokens |
| 08:22.24 | peterS | yam: use 'find' and 'rename' and 'iconv' synergistically. I can cook up a one-liner if you give me a moment |
| 08:22.35 | yam | bob2: not possible to unpack anymore.. it was a data migration |
| 08:22.36 | bob2 | peterS: hrm, right |
| 08:22.36 | g | i've just upgrade it,but i don't know ,how much is proper |
| 08:23.31 | yam | peterS: would be welcome to try it out |
| 08:23.59 | MobyTurbo | g: find out in your monitor manual or specs on the web, what your monitor's settings are. Or pick something besides "advanced" for picking your settings in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but that's usually suboptimal. |
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| 08:25.10 | g | thank u |
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| 08:26.14 | Why-o-why | hi nerds! |
| 08:26.25 | systems | hmmm |
| 08:26.27 | simonrvn | because-o-because |
| 08:26.34 | ix | geeks! |
| 08:26.37 | Why-o-why | Hi! I'm a TV Research Editor and we're looking to produce a documentary about 'The Future of IT'. We specifically would like to interview super-nerdy users from this channel. Msg me if interested. We pay cash! |
| 08:26.41 | simonrvn | yes, thank you |
| 08:26.48 | simonrvn | ix: ^^ |
| 08:26.50 | bob2 | oh lord |
| 08:26.51 | ix | haha |
| 08:26.54 | ix | super-nerds |
| 08:27.01 | simonrvn | oh gawds... |
| 08:27.02 | bob2 | that's a new one |
| 08:27.22 | Why-o-why | LOL ok you guys got me... basically I'm baiting people and then add them to a 'hall of shame' style website |
| 08:27.44 | peterS | yam: perl -MFile::Find -e 'finddepth(sub { my $new = qx(echo "$_" | iconv -f iso-8859-1 -t utf-8); print "mv $_ $new" if $_ ne $new }, ".")' |
| 08:28.05 | peterS | yam: untested. and indeed it won't work, for two reasons. still thinking |
| 08:28.26 | yam | hmmm |
| 08:28.39 | yam | peterS: ya heard of util convmv? |
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| 08:28.47 | peterS | yam: I haven't |
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| 08:28.58 | rixth | Can I disable logging for a directory in Apache? (I asked in #apache but it was dead) |
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| 08:29.18 | simonrvn | wha? |
| 08:29.19 | timmeh | in proccess am i ment to have like 9 diffrent proccess called apache? |
| 08:29.22 | timmeh | or jsut one? |
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| 08:29.26 | peterS | timmeh: like 9. |
| 08:29.30 | simonrvn | it's threaded |
| 08:29.33 | timmeh | ok |
| 08:29.36 | simonrvn | so yes, normal |
| 08:29.53 | timmeh | lol jsut trying to figure where all my rams going |
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| 08:30.07 | simonrvn | @free mem |
| 08:30.15 | ix | MEMMAKER! :D |
| 08:30.20 | peterS | yam: anyway, this *should* work: perl -MFile::Find -e 'finddepth({ chdir => 1, wanted => sub { my $new = qx(echo "$_" | iconv -f iso-8859-1 -t utf-8); chomp($new); rename $_, $new if $_ ne $new } }, ".")' |
| 08:30.20 | timmeh | thats a command >.> |
| 08:31.08 | peterS | actually it's also needlessly complex. the chdir => 1 business shouldn't be needed |
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| 08:31.25 | simonrvn | @free ram |
| 08:31.25 | ravenbird | Unlike information, your memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! When your kernel reads a file from the disk, it will cache the data in memory for quick retrieval later on. This cache will be reallocated to programs if they need it. |
| 08:31.28 | puter | hey. how do i "put my computer to sleep" |
| 08:31.40 | bob2 | puter: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting |
| 08:31.41 | peterS | simpler would be: perl -MFile::Find -e 'finddepth(sub { my $new = qx(echo "$_" | iconv -f iso-8859-1 -t utf-8); chomp($new); rename $_, $new if $_ ne $new }, ".")' |
| 08:31.42 | bob2 | try that |
| 08:31.42 | yam | peterS: tnx for ur oneliner |
| 08:31.43 | puter | aka. turn off hard drives etc until i come back to it |
| 08:31.49 | bucky | peterS, that is a thing of beauty |
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| 08:32.00 | peterS | bucky: it's also untested, except that it doesn't give any errors |
| 08:32.09 | simonrvn | ooh, nice one |
| 08:32.14 | yam | peterS: actually, the only change of ur oneliner with my scripts are the use of iconv or convmv |
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| 08:32.36 | peterS | yam: I should use a perl facility instead of iconv but I was too lazy to figure out how |
| 08:32.39 | timmeh | so even if my rams sitting at 90% |
| 08:32.40 | yam | peterS: produces same errors, the conversion leaves weird chars, not the ones supposed to be |
| 08:32.40 | sep | peterS: you only use 2 and 2 wires of the 3 wires at the same time, so you only have 1 phase out to the circuit , you only alternate on what 2 wires to use out of the 3 possible on the different circuits, anyway you can also buy a 1phase to 3 phase converter if you only have 1 phase into your house. |
| 08:32.46 | timmeh | and the server dosent seem to be using it all |
| 08:32.50 | timmeh | when a program needs it |
| 08:32.54 | timmeh | it will retreive it? |
| 08:33.01 | yam | peterS: probably the "from" charset is not working ok |
| 08:33.18 | clojster | I have upgraded fontconf package and now I've got baad fonts in fluxbox |
| 08:33.19 | yam | i mean... it may not be iso-8859-1 |
| 08:33.22 | clojster | what to do? |
| 08:33.26 | yam | otherwise I dont fucking know what happens |
| 08:33.31 | bob2 | clojster: downgrade and file a bug |
| 08:33.40 | peterS | yam: can you do a 'find . > /tmp/foo' and DCC /tmp/foo to me? if it's not private info anyway. I can see if it appears to be iso-8859-1 or what |
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| 08:33.53 | nagual | why is it that rar in linux is so much faster than winrar, i never got that. even though the winmachines i have been trying are wastly superior to the linuxmachines i have tried this on. |
| 08:33.58 | clojster | bob2: how can I downgrade? |
| 08:34.02 | puter | hey.. how do i put my machine "to sleep"? |
| 08:34.20 | ix | puter, sing to it |
| 08:34.31 | yam | peterS: ok... one second... I'll dump one little branch.. its a 700gb fs :P |
| 08:34.35 | bob2 | puter: you can't, use windows |
| 08:34.35 | puter | heheh not working... |
| 08:34.38 | bob2 | puter: or read the url |
| 08:34.40 | peterS | yam: heh, fair enough |
| 08:34.40 | Why-o-why | <hyb> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/30/2258249.shtml?tid=90&tid=218 |
| 08:34.40 | Why-o-why | <hyb> debian is going to die soon : |
| 08:34.54 | peterS | Why-o-why: we really care what slashdot thinks of debian |
| 08:34.56 | puter | bob2: read which url? |
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| 08:35.04 | rixth | Can I disable logging for a directory in Apache? (I asked in #apache but it was dead) |
| 08:35.06 | bob2 | 18:30 < bob2> puter: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting |
| 08:35.14 | chromate | hi everyone--is there some sort of program that gives screen-like functionality to programs that use X Windows? |
| 08:35.25 | peterS | Why-o-why: we care just as much as the BSD world cares that according to slashdot it's already been dead for years |
| 08:35.26 | bob2 | rixth: why do you want to disable it? |
| 08:35.26 | jm_ | rixth: no, but you can use a custom logging command and then let that tool do whatever it has to do |
| 08:35.31 | bob2 | clojster: there's xmove |
| 08:35.31 | puter | bob2: i missed that.. i left for a second |
| 08:35.33 | puter | ... |
| 08:35.49 | bob2 | clojster: please just pick one channel |
| 08:35.50 | renegad3 | hrmm I just did a search on the repos for bitchx and it comes up with pork |
| 08:35.56 | yam | peterS: dcc aint working... any other way good enough for ya? |
| 08:36.08 | bob2 | renegad3: it was removed for being uselessly crap |
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| 08:36.12 | tsw | Hi, I have two runaway apache processe. restarting apache firts kills them, but then they reappear even though I dont make any request on the httpd. any ideas? |
| 08:36.13 | rixth | bob2, I want to disable logging of the cgibin, the only script I have in there is my analyzer and it uses alot of bandwidth, I don't want that to be added into the logs |
| 08:36.14 | renegad3 | ohh ok |
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| 08:36.20 | renegad3 | and is pork better? |
| 08:36.30 | clojster | bob2: what? one channel? what do you mean? |
| 08:36.31 | bob2 | renegad3: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296535 |
| 08:36.32 | renegad3 | bob2, obviously it is because its in the repos ;) |
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| 08:36.39 | bob2 | renegad3: irssi-text is quite an excellent irc client |
| 08:36.45 | bob2 | pork looked ok, but I haven't used it |
| 08:36.46 | peterS | yam: hmmm. do you have netcat installed? 'apt-get install netcat' if not. then do: nc p12n.org 1337 < /tmp/foo |
| 08:36.51 | renegad3 | ok |
| 08:37.03 | bob2 | clojster: er, sorry, didn't mean you |
| 08:37.20 | yam | peterS: yeah I do.. i use itevery day :) |
| 08:37.32 | bob2 | haha |
| 08:37.36 | peterS | yam: netcat is my favorite poor-man's-file-anonymous-transfer-protocol |
| 08:37.49 | simonrvn | w00t, new libpam-ldap |
| 08:38.07 | yam | peterS: same here... and I get great speeds |
| 08:38.13 | peterS | yam: heh |
| 08:38.17 | yam | peterS: over my fiber network |
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| 08:38.42 | yam | peterS: relaunch listener |
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| 08:39.16 | peterS | yam: ok, did. 'nc -l -p 1337 < /dev/null > /tmp/foo' on my end (: |
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| 08:40.22 | _joey | How do I mount dvdrom/dvdrw on 2.4.20 ? is there generic module ? |
| 08:40.41 | yam | peterS: peters: smth is not working |
| 08:40.41 | bob2 | same as you'd mount anything else |
| 08:40.48 | bob2 | _joey: you need to be a lot more specific |
| 08:40.59 | bob2 | _joey: ie what sort of drive it is (e.g. usb/ide) |
| 08:41.04 | bob2 | _joey: also, 2.4.20 is stupidly old |
| 08:41.11 | _joey | I have dvdrom and dvdwr which I want to use on linux and don't know where to start |
| 08:41.12 | bob2 | I'd really really try to upgrade it |
| 08:41.46 | clojster | Where can I find package with lower version number than in current repository? |
| 08:41.57 | peterS | clojster: snapshot.debian.net |
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| 08:43.04 | _joey | bob2 This is what I have on woody? should I upgrade to 2.6.x ? |
| 08:43.06 | MrBucket42 | Hello! |
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| 08:43.17 | bob2 | _joey: or 2.4.28 or whatever |
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| 08:44.00 | clojster | peterS: ok, but what shoul I do with files they have there? |
| 08:44.25 | peterS | clojster: that depends. why did you want an old version? does it matter which old version? |
| 08:45.20 | clojster | peterS: because new version has bug |
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| 08:45.49 | sjdjs | is the ibm thinkCentre a good Pc? |
| 08:45.53 | peterS | clojster: if you don't run 'apt-get clean' or 'apt-get autoclean' too often, you may still have the old version in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:45.58 | MrBucket42 | I have a domain name on reverse look-up. Is there a way to tag something onto the beginning? Like if the domain was 'with.us' then becomes: bucket@dont.mess.with.us |
| 08:46.01 | peterS | clojster: in which case, just install the old package file with dpkg -i |
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| 08:46.13 | bob2 | MrBucket42: yes, by altering the reverse dns |
| 08:46.19 | MrBucket42 | o |
| 08:46.19 | bob2 | MrBucket42: and the forward, of course |
| 08:46.37 | clojster | peterS: thanks |
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| 08:47.19 | paines | hi |
| 08:47.31 | MrBucket42 | Curious... does the IP addy of the host below the domain need to be under the subnet of the second level domain is at? |
| 08:47.38 | MrBucket42 | ....or does that not make sense? |
| 08:47.43 | bob2 | MrBucket42: no |
| 08:47.50 | bob2 | I think I get what you mean, but no |
| 08:48.12 | bob2 | crumbs.ertius.org's IP address is no where near ertius.org's |
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| 08:48.32 | jerome | sjdjs: as good as a pc as buick is as a car manufacturer. Depends on your needs |
| 08:48.45 | simonrvn | bob2: is egads still running? |
| 08:48.50 | MrBucket42 | Then wouldn't it require the DNS server hosting the reverse look-up of the other IP address also add a zone? |
| 08:48.55 | bob2 | simonrvn: yup |
| 08:49.04 | bob2 | MrBucket42: yes |
| 08:49.15 | paines | I have gcc 3.3.x and 3.4 installed. now, I want to build kde via konstruct, but with g++-3.4. whan g++ -v is called the 3.3.x version will be exectued. how can I force usage of g++3.4 without deinstalling 3.3.x or goind any tricks like links, or aliases ? |
| 08:49.20 | bob2 | simonrvn: it's just doing less stuff now, tho it's still doing dns :) |
| 08:49.29 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:49.35 | MrBucket42 | Then which DNS server is specified at the registration point under nameservers? |
| 08:49.46 | bob2 | paines: best to just get konstruct to use g++-3.4 |
| 08:49.54 | spo0nman | paines: what does which gcc say? |
| 08:49.58 | bob2 | MrBucket42: the forward and reverse zones are entirely seperate |
| 08:50.12 | MrBucket42 | I'm sorry if at any point my questions become unintelligible due to the fact that I am totally stoned. |
| 08:50.14 | bob2 | MrBucket42: when configure your forward domain, you use your registrar's nameserver (or whoever else) |
| 08:50.19 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:50.20 | paines | bob2, that's any idea |
| 08:50.33 | bob2 | MrBucket42: to get the reverse zone to work, you have to talk to whoever owns the ip address you're using |
| 08:50.42 | paines | spo0nman, /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.3 |
| 08:51.00 | MrBucket42 | I guess I am not looking at this completley backwards. |
| 08:51.31 | MrBucket42 | That may also mean that the domain could be pointing to a completley different address than the reverse! |
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| 08:51.37 | bob2 | MrBucket42: yup |
| 08:51.40 | MrBucket42 | No way. |
| 08:51.51 | MrBucket42 | That is diabolacle! |
| 08:51.53 | bob2 | MrBucket42: like, blah.domain.com could point at my dsl |
| 08:52.06 | bob2 | MrBucket42: but the reverse for the ip could be dhcp3-4-5-2.isp.com or whatever |
| 08:52.11 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 08:52.17 | bob2 | simonrvn: 'night, sleep well |
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| 08:52.44 | spo0nman | panthera: you can try to change that for the time being... it might break other stuff. honest. |
| 08:53.03 | spo0nman | panthera: that was for paines |
| 08:53.05 | bob2 | paines: gcc and g++ are just symlinks, tho, so you can change them if you want |
| 08:53.14 | bob2 | paines: the next update of gcc will kill that change tho, iirc |
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| 08:53.46 | MrBucket42 | Say 3.5.4.3 is your IP address... shant dhcp3-4-5-2.isp.com point to 154.126.68.5? |
| 08:53.52 | spo0nman | paines: as bob2 said try to make konstruct use gcc-3.4 |
| 08:53.57 | paines | spo0nman and bob2: okay. thanks. i thought, maybe there is an app in debian, where I can say which is my default compiler |
| 08:54.20 | bob2 | paines: there was, but it's gone because it caused so much trouble |
| 08:54.28 | spo0nman | paines: the symlink is it. |
| 08:54.32 | bob2 | MrBucket42: it could, if your isp was on crack |
| 08:54.42 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 08:54.43 | MrBucket42 | mwuhahahahahahaaaaaa |
| 08:55.01 | paines | spo0nman and bob2: i.c. thanks to both of you very much |
| 08:55.12 | bob2 | or wasted, I guess |
| 08:55.28 | bob2 | tho admin'ing dns servers doesn't sound like the funnest thing to do while stoned |
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| 08:56.13 | MrBucket42 | I gave a free shell service a domain name of mine for use of it as a reverse look-up vHost type-thing. |
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| 08:56.34 | bob2 | right |
| 08:56.51 | xtm | after installing w2k my grub disappeared, so I booted on dsl and mounted the hd, then chrooted into it and when I try to run grub-install hd0 I get a message saying /sbin/grub-install :line 477:/dev/null: Permission denied |
| 08:57.10 | bob2 | weird |
| 08:57.15 | MrBucket42 | Reguardless I don't know my arse from my elbow when it comes to DNS as you can plainly tell. |
| 08:57.20 | bob2 | what does "ls -ld /dev/null" print out? |
| 08:59.35 | paines | bye |
| 08:59.36 | MrBucket42 | I guess that means I could have my ISP return that same domain as reverse look-up from my client as well. |
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| 08:59.55 | bob2 | right |
| 09:00.16 | MrBucket42 | No reprocussions? |
| 09:00.30 | bob2 | nope |
| 09:00.41 | MrBucket42 | What if it was a domain I didn't even register myself? |
| 09:01.01 | bob2 | that's fine |
| 09:01.08 | bob2 | tho your ISP might refuse to do it |
| 09:01.13 | MrBucket42 | hahahahahaha |
| 09:01.14 | bob2 | but there's no technical reason you can't |
| 09:02.53 | MrBucket42 | That would require an ISP with some sort of moral. |
| 09:03.01 | bob2 | hah |
| 09:03.33 | noobie1 | trying to autostart a "slit" app in fluxwin, as per the man, I am supposed to put an entry into the .xinitrc file located in my home directory. As this file didn't exist in my home directory, I copyied the /usr... one to my home dir. The problem is when I restart desk top, I still don't have the app in the slit |
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| 09:05.05 | MrBucket42 | This is all so much simpler than I thought it was to begin with. |
| 09:05.31 | MrBucket42 | I was like 'What's with all this "arpa" bullshit?!?!?' |
| 09:05.59 | bob2 | that's just so you can have a .0 TLD |
| 09:06.05 | qwertz | I've a windows CD that has some cab files that are hidden and write-protected mounting it with auto or iso9660 option I'm not able to see the files (ls -a won't help) - any suggestions?) |
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| 09:06.34 | zinx | qwertz: try mounting it with joliet extensions.. if that doesn't work, the files probably aren't really there. |
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| 09:06.39 | mhale | hello all |
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| 09:08.12 | jm_ | or try mounting it without joliet extensions, but you might only get short names |
| 09:08.19 | roshambo | ive just apt-get upgraded on sarge and firefox now has a thick bottom border with a carat character in it - how do i go about fixing this? |
| 09:08.35 | zinx | jm_: more like, without rockridge :/ |
| 09:08.39 | bob2 | roshambo: have you restarted it? |
| 09:08.47 | bob2 | firefox goes nuts if you upgrade stuff under it |
| 09:08.49 | roshambo | bob2: yes, complete reboot |
| 09:08.52 | jm_ | zinx: windows CD-s don't use RR |
| 09:09.03 | zinx | jm_: they don't have hidden .cabs either. |
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| 09:09.38 | jm_ | zinx: then I don't see how any of this will help |
| 09:09.42 | bob2 | roshambo: hrm |
| 09:09.55 | qwertz | zinx, found a nojoliet option for mount so it seems it uses joliet by standard |
| 09:10.09 | jm_ | qwertz: it does if your kernel has support for it |
| 09:10.13 | zinx | qwertz: dmesg will tell you what it got mounted with |
| 09:10.29 | roshambo | bob2: think removing and installing again would fix it? |
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| 09:11.26 | ejkaatwork | qwertz: try -o unhide also |
| 09:11.36 | bob2 | roshambo: hm, I doubt it |
| 09:11.39 | MrBucket42 | bob2: Thank you. This information has turned out to be most enlightening. |
| 09:11.40 | jm_ | and if CD has joliet extensions at all |
| 09:11.42 | bob2 | roshambo: I'd first try and see if it affects a new user |
| 09:11.45 | bob2 | MrBucket42: you're welcome |
| 09:12.46 | jm_ | ohh, mkisofs knows several -hide options, maybe that's it |
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| 09:13.19 | qwertz | ejkaatwork, thanks you got it using unhide as mount parameter works |
| 09:13.51 | zinx | o_O |
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| 09:15.44 | Aarcane | Karma for Aarcane is: 9. |
| 09:15.44 | Aarcane | !karma Aarcane |
| 09:15.44 | dpkg | aarcane has neutral karma |
| 09:15.53 | jm_ | I don't quite see the point of burning files to a CD and then hiding them - I guess it works as a simple protection against people that never heard of this |
| 09:16.02 | Aarcane | sorry, had my karma script on ^.^ |
| 09:16.43 | Aarcane | jm_, it's for kids with parents ^.^ |
| 09:17.11 | jm_ | Aarcane: as if any parent knows how to do this ;) |
| 09:17.27 | puter | hey. i need to recompile my kernel with usb and acpi support. can anyone point me to a good resource on how to do this? |
| 09:17.43 | bob2 | puter: Debian kernels have both |
| 09:17.43 | Aarcane | jm_, well.. the point behind hiding the files on the CD is so the parents put it in, see "brittany spears" but not the hidden folder "My Porn" |
| 09:17.46 | jm_ | puter: get kernel-image-foo |
| 09:18.08 | puter | kernel-image-foo? |
| 09:18.24 | puter | and an application just told me that there was no acpi support |
| 09:18.27 | spo0nman | i have 360.yahoo.com invites if anyone is intrested in such activites. |
| 09:18.37 | rob^ | ? |
| 09:18.41 | spo0nman | s/^/[OFFTOPIC]/ |
| 09:18.45 | bob2 | puter: what does "uname -r" print? |
| 09:19.21 | noobie1 | does /etc/X11/Xsession supercede /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc? |
| 09:19.33 | puter | bob2: 2.2.20-idepci |
| 09:19.34 | bob2 | almost certain it does |
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| 09:19.40 | Aarcane | on an aside, I'd like to request the Karma code for dpkg, or a link to where it can be downloaded ^.^ |
| 09:19.48 | bob2 | puter: sudo apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-3-386 |
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| 09:20.00 | bob2 | Aarcane: it's a blootbot, the source is on sourceforge |
| 09:20.14 | Aarcane | bob2, does that source include the karma engine, and stuff ? |
| 09:20.21 | bob2 | Aarcane: of course |
| 09:20.27 | bob2 | Aarcane: it's Free Software |
| 09:20.43 | bob2 | dondelelcaro has the exact source dpkg runs, which is modified a fair bit from infobot |
| 09:20.48 | bob2 | note that karms is disabled on dpkg |
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| 09:20.52 | Aarcane | bob2, what I meant more was "is karma a part of the blootbot core package or additional functionality" |
| 09:21.27 | bob2 | oh, good point |
| 09:21.30 | bob2 | let's see |
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| 09:22.28 | puter | bob2: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.4.18-3-386 |
| 09:22.32 | Aarcane | bob2, perhaps you should PM me on the topic, since it's OT ^.^ |
| 09:22.46 | john | Okay |
| 09:22.58 | bob2 | puter: well, I don't know the exact name |
| 09:23.07 | bob2 | puter: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.18 and pick one |
| 09:23.08 | john | I just did apt-get update/apt-get dist-upgrade with Debian Sarge, and now my fonts are different on all my X apps, like firefox, xchat and such |
| 09:23.13 | john | Any idea on why that woulda happened? |
| 09:23.21 | bob2 | Aarcane: I don't know that much about it, try asking dondelelcaro |
| 09:23.25 | bob2 | tho he's away atm |
| 09:23.31 | Aarcane | bob2, alright |
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| 09:27.18 | zulkifar | Hi. Is there a benchmarking tool like glxgears but for testing 2D graphics? |
| 09:28.01 | bob2 | glxgears is not a benchmarking tool |
| 09:28.12 | bob2 | daniels would beat you if he heard you say such things! |
| 09:28.19 | zulkifar | bob2: what is it? |
| 09:28.30 | bucky | it's a doo hicky |
| 09:28.30 | bob2 | it's a tool that shows rotating gears |
| 09:28.34 | zinx | zulkifar: a GL app that displays rotating gears. |
| 09:28.58 | rob^ | good to see if you really did install those nvidia drivers or not |
| 09:29.15 | zulkifar | bob2, zinx: its a demagogy (if my spelling is correct) |
| 09:29.20 | bob2 | hah |
| 09:29.52 | zulkifar | So, what about rotating 2D gears? :) |
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| 09:30.27 | Aarcane | demagogy ? |
| 09:30.31 | Aarcane | ? demagogy |
| 09:30.38 | Aarcane | !info demagogy |
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| 09:30.49 | Aarcane | erm.. |
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| 09:30.56 | Aarcane | !whatis demagogy |
| 09:31.04 | zulkifar | Aarcane: hehe |
| 09:31.07 | Aarcane | little help anyone ? |
| 09:31.12 | zulkifar | Aarcane: wait |
| 09:31.15 | bucky | !dict demagogy |
| 09:31.17 | dpkg | could not find definition for demagogy |
| 09:31.17 | JediMaster | can anyone remember the command that changes permissions on files that chmod can't do? (e.g. files that root can't change) |
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| 09:31.53 | PEACEYALL | sup all |
| 09:31.59 | bucky | Demagogy is the set of methods used by demagogues. It is a strategy of obtaining power by appealing to the gut feelings of the public, usually by powerful use of rhetoric and propaganda. |
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| 09:32.36 | zulkifar | too complex :) |
| 09:32.39 | Aarcane | Mmmmm... |
| 09:33.05 | PEACEYALL | i wana tranfer my linux from one drive to another , it is on hda2 , i want to make it on hda1 because hda2 has little space , anywayz i already did "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1" , what should i do next? |
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| 09:33.19 | puter | how do i find a kernel image that isnt INITrd? |
| 09:33.21 | zulkifar | bob2, zinx: its a rhetoric then |
| 09:33.29 | bob2 | puter: why? |
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| 09:33.59 | puter | bob2: because that's what i found. and it wants me to mess with lilo.conf |
| 09:34.05 | puter | bob2: which i hesitate to do |
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| 09:34.51 | puter | bob2: are all kernels initrd? |
| 09:35.03 | bob2 | puter: all the Debian ones, yeah |
| 09:35.06 | puter | bob2: or at least all newer kernels? |
| 09:35.06 | bob2 | you'd have to build your own |
| 09:35.16 | bob2 | hm, maybe the Debian 2.2 ones aren't |
| 09:35.16 | puter | fff |
| 09:35.21 | puter | okay |
| 09:35.39 | bob2 | just be careful editing it |
| 09:35.42 | puter | so i just throw in the line do_initrd = Yes |
| 09:35.45 | myren | wahts the standard program for running an apt repository |
| 09:35.45 | bob2 | paste it to us in #flood if you're not sure |
| 09:35.48 | puter | and everything will be okay |
| 09:35.59 | bob2 | myren: for making the Packages files and such? apt-ftparchive. |
| 09:36.06 | bob2 | which I'm trying to remember the options to right now |
| 09:36.15 | bob2 | puter: that line isn't for lilo.conf |
| 09:36.21 | PEACEYALL | so does any one know the answer to my question? |
| 09:37.02 | zulkifar | I have very sucking video 3D driver which works only for root (its a via epiam10000 computer). Now I want to test 2D graphics, what tool can I use for that? |
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| 09:37.46 | bob2 | PEACEYALL: it's not simple |
| 09:38.18 | PEACEYALL | :/ , but is there a way? |
| 09:38.23 | bob2 | sure |
| 09:38.28 | zulkifar | PEACEYALL: maybe copy first? cp -dpR ? |
| 09:38.47 | bob2 | use -a |
| 09:38.50 | puter | bob2: is this the proper line? initrd=/initrd.img |
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| 09:39.02 | bob2 | but I'm not sure how you'd use cp when both are mounted and you're trying to copy / |
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| 09:39.06 | PEACEYALL | ya but then if i just copy it will still boot to my hda2 not hda1 |
| 09:39.12 | puter | bob2: do you have that in your lilo.conf? |
| 09:39.19 | bob2 | PEACEYALL: probably easiest if you just boot a knoppix or ubuntu or debian install cd |
| 09:39.26 | bob2 | puter: that's the right line, no I don't |
| 09:39.33 | PEACEYALL | ya but then i need all my files too |
| 09:39.43 | puter | bob2: are you running debian? |
| 09:39.47 | bob2 | puter: yes |
| 09:39.48 | bob2 | PEACEYALL: indeed |
| 09:40.02 | puter | bob2: .... why dont you have the line then? special kernel? |
| 09:40.03 | bob2 | puter: I'm not using a Debian kernel, tho |
| 09:40.06 | bob2 | yeah |
| 09:40.27 | puter | well... if this messes up can i salvage? |
| 09:40.46 | puter | and get back this old kernel? |
| 09:41.02 | Aarcane | puter, you can always get back an old kernel, as long as you don't delete it :) |
| 09:41.12 | bob2 | it should be LinuxOLD in the lilo menu |
| 09:41.21 | puter | coool |
| 09:41.21 | bob2 | but I'd always have boot disk when playing with lilo |
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| 09:41.39 | puter | i dont have a boot disk.... |
| 09:41.50 | zulkifar | make one |
| 09:41.55 | Aarcane | puter, got some sort of Linux on CD ? |
| 09:41.56 | puter | no floppies |
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| 09:42.07 | puter | i've got the first cd for debian |
| 09:42.14 | Aarcane | puter, that works :) |
| 09:42.14 | bob2 | that's enough |
| 09:42.30 | puter | okay |
| 09:42.31 | puter | here goes |
| 09:43.01 | Aarcane | Hrrm.. whois is promising ^.^ |
| 09:43.04 | Aarcane | He's not logged in as root :) |
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| 09:43.17 | Gandalf_vhcs | hello guys i need an urgent help here, i have a server with two HDD yesterday a cron job to backup my site data caused the HDD hdb an errors i get a lot of UncorrectableError what to do? |
| 09:43.19 | ysothoth | Any used 16x dvd writers in linux? |
| 09:43.35 | Stereo | I'm compiling a 2.6.11 linux kernel with make-kpkg and simply took the debian .config. Apart from hundreds of modules to disable, is there anything I'd ususally want to do on a modern machine? I've already changed highmem and the CPU type. |
| 09:43.41 | ysothoth | oops, syntax. |
| 09:43.43 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: backup somewhere else |
| 09:43.59 | bob2 | Stereo: you need to know what you're doing if you want that to be bootable |
| 09:44.09 | bob2 | Stereo: ie, make an initrd or configure it properlyfor your hardware |
| 09:44.11 | ysothoth | Gandalf_vhcs: Get a new hard drive. hdb broke down. |
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| 09:44.28 | Gandalf_vhcs | i can't access the files i'm trying to get the backup file with WINSCP but it's stuck on 15% i can't loose data |
| 09:44.28 | Stereo | bob2: yeah, I know about initrd |
| 09:44.31 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: like soon, too, since broken IDE hardware can screw up other syuff |
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| 09:44.44 | roshambo | bob2: it works fine under a new user, so i deleted my ~/.mozilla/ and its come back up fine. thanks for the help! |
| 09:44.58 | bob2 | roshambo: no problem, sorry the workaround was so crap |
| 09:44.59 | Stereo | and I know it works with initrd and that config because I'm running it right now - it's the debian kernel config |
| 09:45.24 | bob2 | Stereo: if you're building your own, just disable initrd and compile your stuff in |
| 09:45.26 | jerome | hey natives, what's the polite and correct way to tell someone you'd be happy to listen his suggestions ? "Your suggestions are welcome"? |
| 09:45.49 | ysothoth | That works |
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| 09:45.54 | ysothoth | Your input is appreciated |
| 09:46.03 | ysothoth | Another good one :pp |
| 09:46.06 | yoc | !batch |
| 09:46.06 | dpkg | it has been said that batch is A group of commands that are executed one at a time. Same as script. |
| 09:46.12 | Aarcane | jerome, that works |
| 09:46.25 | Aarcane | !script |
| 09:46.25 | dpkg | well, script is This refers to a group of commands usually stored in a file and run one at a time so that you don't have to type them in one at a time. Script is the newer, sexier term for batch. Don't talk about batch files anymore! It's all scripts and scripting languages. We're on the INTERNET, for goodness' sake!, or my brother on #windowmaker |
| 09:46.27 | Gandalf_vhcs | bob2: can we talk in private please? |
| 09:46.34 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: why? |
| 09:46.37 | bob2 | !seen blah |
| 09:46.38 | dpkg | blah <loki@ppp-159-1.dialup.pcnet.ro> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 90d 4h 18m 40s ago, saying: 'how can i run X remotely through ssh ? can i?'. |
| 09:46.51 | ysothoth | wow |
| 09:47.04 | yoc | when a batch cause system load goes up again ? which this batch job be stopped again? |
| 09:47.07 | Gandalf_vhcs | bob2: i can't get the files i need help to get back the files and the databases |
| 09:47.08 | ysothoth | I can sense where that conversation went. |
| 09:47.21 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: if they're on the failign disk, they're probably gone |
| 09:47.32 | bob2 | yoc: do you mean cron? |
| 09:47.44 | yoc | bob2, i mean batch(1) |
| 09:47.54 | yoc | bob2, yes, it's based on cron |
| 09:47.57 | Gandalf_vhcs | bob2: ther's no way to get them from the corrupted data? |
| 09:48.16 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 09:48.27 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: if you're asking "is it possible to get data from the failing drive", then possibly |
| 09:48.30 | Aarcane | Gandalf_vhcs, you can just copy them over, some if not all will be gone.. easy to check, ls -Rla should error on any unreadable file ^.^ |
| 09:48.30 | yoc | bob2, idea? |
| 09:48.33 | walnuck | anyone know a faq so i can build my kernel source headers and not system headers? |
| 09:48.34 | bob2 | but start copying now, before it dies |
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| 09:48.38 | bob2 | yoc: never heard of it |
| 09:48.45 | bob2 | walnuck: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:48.46 | yoc | bob2, at(1) |
| 09:48.53 | bob2 | yoc: ok ... |
| 09:48.59 | Gandalf_vhcs | ok i'll check |
| 09:49.34 | bob2 | this is not a time to be idling on irc |
| 09:49.40 | walnuck | bob2, compile vmmon, module for vmware |
| 09:49.41 | bob2 | send someone down there with a usb disk or something |
| 09:49.50 | bob2 | walnuck: you're using a custom kernel? |
| 09:49.54 | Rydekull | bob2: *sigh* okay, i'll stop it then |
| 09:49.59 | Aarcane | OMG |
| 09:50.03 | Aarcane | he's on Windows.. |
| 09:50.03 | walnuck | bob2, y |
| 09:50.04 | Aarcane | Using.. |
| 09:50.06 | Aarcane | mURK |
| 09:50.08 | Aarcane | >.< |
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| 09:50.32 | Stereo | jerome: it depends on the level of formality, too |
| 09:50.32 | Stereo | what ysothoth said can be used pretty much everywhere |
| 09:50.32 | Stereo | but if you're more friendly with the person(s) you can use "I welcome your suggestions" or "Please tell me what you think" or something like that |
| 09:50.32 | Stereo | bob2: right, I'll trust you :) |
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| 09:50.42 | bob2 | Rydekull: ? |
| 09:50.46 | Rydekull | Aarcane: then again mIRC is quite a bit better then XChat, but ya should use irssi :P |
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| 09:51.00 | bob2 | walnuck: do you have the source tree around? |
| 09:51.01 | Rydekull | bob2: oh nothing, just being silly, ya said that it was not a time to idle |
| 09:51.07 | bob2 | hah, right |
| 09:51.21 | Stereo | I flooded? What happened? :-o |
| 09:51.24 | walnuck | bob2, y |
| 09:51.31 | bob2 | walnuck: just point it at that then |
| 09:51.40 | bob2 | walnuck: it has the headers in it |
| 09:51.43 | walnuck | bob2, hmm ok.. |
| 09:51.45 | Aarcane | Rydekull, I would use... a Random Java IRC applet before I'd stoop to useing mURK while trapped in MicroHell Windon'ts. |
| 09:51.49 | Stereo | this is debhelper lagging, not me flooding, is it? |
| 09:51.53 | bob2 | Stereo: you were lagged, it seems, so dpkg saw all those lines come in at once |
| 09:51.57 | bob2 | Stereo: or it was, yeah |
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| 09:52.07 | bob2 | bah, how on earth can I lose code |
| 09:52.09 | bob2 | that was stupid |
| 09:52.14 | pluhator | greeting and questioning....i have a working unstable debian runing KDE. And I have problem with notifications in KDE ... they emit no sound but the artsd runs and the testing sound plays fine in control panel. But when I go to notif. panel and try "test sound" from there ... it fails. |
| 09:52.20 | peterS | Stereo: it was you. I saw your lines come in all at once |
| 09:52.42 | peterS | bob2: maybe you should consider using a version control system. then you won't lose code. ever hear of baz? |
| 09:52.44 | bob2 | pluhator: #debian-kde might know more |
| 09:52.45 | peterS | (: |
| 09:52.48 | bob2 | peterS: hah |
| 09:52.55 | bob2 | peterS: I can't remember which archive I put it in |
| 09:52.58 | Rydekull | Aarcane: and still ya use xchat :P |
| 09:53.07 | peterS | bob2: yeah, I guess that's something no vc can save you from (: |
| 09:53.14 | bob2 | peterS: heh, indeed |
| 09:53.17 | Stereo | !@# |
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| 09:53.25 | Aarcane | Rydekull, I script for it too, and what's more... I use.. *gasp* Perl! |
| 09:53.28 | Livingroom | Hello everybody! |
| 09:53.29 | bob2 | peterS: tho arch's BDSM naming conventions do help somewhat |
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| 09:53.36 | peterS | hehe |
| 09:53.39 | Rydekull | Aarcane: well the later is good :P |
| 09:53.59 | Aarcane | Rydekull, lets Private, I need help converting a friend to Perl ^.^ |
| 09:54.43 | Gandalf_vhcs | bob2: can i use the same HDD but with bypassing the errors like with windows and scandisk? |
| 09:55.02 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: hah |
| 09:55.13 | Gandalf_vhcs | what? |
| 09:55.16 | ysothoth | Scandisk does nothing, don't you know? |
| 09:55.23 | Aarcane | Gandalf_vhcs, you can, but why would you want to ? the errors will only get bigger and badder as time goes on ^.^ |
| 09:55.29 | bob2 | you're already "bypassing" the errors |
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| 09:56.00 | Gandalf_vhcs | Aarcane: just for some little time because i can't by a HDD at the moment |
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| 09:56.33 | Aarcane | Gandalf_vhcs, Hrrm.. if you can boot onto the drive, you're peachy keen then ^.^ |
| 09:57.25 | Gandalf_vhcs | AArcane the boot and / are mounted to hda hdb is with errors i succeded to get some files i will loose a lot of attachments that was on my forum :'( i can't access /uploads/ |
| 09:58.01 | Aarcane | Gandalf_vhcs, best to live with what you have for now :) |
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| 09:58.22 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: do you have another disk? |
| 09:58.30 | Gandalf_vhcs | Aarcane: ok :'( i think i'm screwed, yes a 20Gb one |
| 09:58.31 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: or you could use dd to stream the disk over ssh, ignoring errors |
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| 09:58.42 | Aarcane | Gandalf_vhcs, on an aside... shouldn't general linux recovery stuff be in #linux or #linuxhelp ?> |
| 09:58.44 | Gandalf_vhcs | how to do that please? |
| 09:59.00 | bob2 | bah |
| 09:59.05 | bob2 | let me read the manpages for you then! |
| 09:59.10 | Rydekull | hah |
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| 09:59.24 | Gandalf_vhcs | i will try with #linux if you can't/won't answer me i don't want to disturb you a lot guys |
| 09:59.40 | Aarcane | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.48 | bob2 | dd if=/dev/whatever noerror | ssh user@remote.com cat > ./image |
| 09:59.50 | llama32 | anyone know of an x server that will give me better performance [at cost of ram] compared to the VESA one? on my pc it takes forever to redraw windows... |
| 09:59.51 | bob2 | from the broken machine |
| 09:59.59 | Aarcane | Gandalf_vhcs, I'm new here and they seem willing to help.. just some general advice though :) |
| 10:00.04 | bob2 | llama32: one designed for your video card |
| 10:00.12 | Gandalf_vhcs | Aarcane ok |
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| 10:00.23 | dilch | hey hey |
| 10:00.25 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: 19:58 < bob2> dd if=/dev/whatever noerror | ssh user@remote.com cat > ./image |
| 10:00.31 | bob2 | 19:58 < bob2> from the broken machine |
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| 10:00.54 | jm_ | or use ddrescue |
| 10:01.05 | Gandalf_vhcs | bob2 and i access using ssh with that user? |
| 10:01.13 | bob2 | I don't know what you mean |
| 10:01.14 | llama32 | as in one that like keeps images in memory so apps dont have to redraw as much... like transluxent but not opengl... bob2: its slower than vesa by the looks of it (SiS generic) |
| 10:01.21 | bob2 | haha |
| 10:01.43 | bob2 | X already caches pixmaps |
| 10:02.13 | jm_ | llama32: I think they're working on some new extension in x.org server which will speed things up |
| 10:02.16 | jm_ | I forgot what it's called |
| 10:02.20 | yoc | !command |
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| 10:02.33 | bob2 | damage? |
| 10:02.41 | llama32 | bob2: why does everything need to redraw all the time? do i have to like configure it to do it? |
| 10:02.52 | llama32 | hmm thanks jm_ |
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| 10:03.34 | joloc | where do you have to put the line "options psmouse proto=bare", so it ends up in modules.conf? |
| 10:03.58 | jm_ | joloc: modprobe.d/foo should work |
| 10:04.09 | cafuego | joloc: Depends on whether you have a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel. |
| 10:04.17 | joloc | cafuego: kernel 2.6 |
| 10:04.22 | cafuego | joloc: /etc/modutils/foo for 2.4 and /etc/probrobe.d/foo for 2.6 |
| 10:04.39 | cafuego | llama32: get your filthy hands off my desert |
| 10:05.32 | _joey | on debian, in which config file I add default route ? |
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| 10:05.59 | bob2 | _joey: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:06.04 | jm_ | bob2: was that "damage" related to my comment? |
| 10:06.04 | _joey | :) |
| 10:06.09 | bob2 | jm_: yeah |
| 10:06.19 | jm_ | composite extension, found it |
| 10:06.33 | bob2 | composite is for compositing |
| 10:06.39 | bob2 | damage is for redrawing. aiui. |
| 10:06.44 | cafuego | Option "Composite" "Enable" |
| 10:06.50 | jm_ | yes, but it should help with redraws |
| 10:06.58 | cafuego | Fucking slow buggy POS |
| 10:07.02 | bob2 | ha |
| 10:07.14 | bob2 | I didn't even bother trying |
| 10:07.27 | cafuego | bob2: I had a wee play in KDE3.4 with it |
| 10:07.40 | cafuego | bob2: That has new Xorg translucency options for non-active windows. |
| 10:07.47 | jm_ | me neither, nvidia is fast enough without that stuff, heck I found even nv fast enough back then |
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| 10:08.07 | bob2 | oh, shiney |
| 10:08.08 | cafuego | jm_: Annoyingly, with Composite enabled, glx don't work. |
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| 10:08.33 | cafuego | bob2: Unfortunately KDE3.4 is still ugly <heh> |
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| 10:08.47 | bob2 | haha |
| 10:08.56 | jm_ | cafuego: well I am still with xfree86, but maybe they'll fix this when it gets in Debian |
| 10:08.58 | yoc | my dnsdomainname returns nothing. how to set it? |
| 10:09.13 | bob2 | omfg, I can't believe my food isn't here yet |
| 10:10.22 | cafuego | jm_: I doubt it, the ubuntu xorg is also packaged by daniel stone |
| 10:10.39 | cafuego | jm_: You can safely assume what when sarge is released, debian gets a copy of the Ubuntu Xorg. |
| 10:10.50 | bob2 | cafuego: branden repackaged it from scratch |
| 10:10.56 | bob2 | for no apparent reason |
| 10:10.57 | jm_ | cafuego: ahh, well I won't upgrade then |
| 10:11.03 | cafuego | bob2: Oh dear :-) |
| 10:11.25 | cafuego | jm_: Well, to its credit, it appears to start a bit quicker on my older hardware then xf86 does. |
| 10:11.42 | zinx | cafuego: i thought the debian X maintainer(s) were holding out for the modularized fd.o tree or something |
| 10:11.55 | joloc | cafuego: put into /etc/modprobe.d/options (kernel 2.6). need to run any processing command (like update-modules)? |
| 10:12.02 | cafuego | joloc: yep |
| 10:12.09 | bob2 | zinx: the plan now seems to be to hold out until sarge, then put in the monolithic x.org tree |
| 10:12.17 | bob2 | the modular tree is severely understaffed |
| 10:12.18 | zinx | bob2: interesting |
| 10:12.24 | jm_ | cafuego: I remember them working on scripts to cut on startup time when booting |
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| 10:12.41 | zinx | bob2: i think it's a good idea to switch to x.org, in any case :) |
| 10:12.57 | bob2 | heh, yeah |
| 10:13.12 | bob2 | also, dont quit coffee on a week when you have 80 hours of stuff to do |
| 10:13.13 | Gandalf_vhcs | guys wich is the commans that stands for scandisk /surface on dos if there's any? |
| 10:13.26 | jm_ | badblocks |
| 10:14.23 | joloc | cafuego: man update-modules (17 June 2004) says this command is obsolete...? |
| 10:14.44 | jm_ | joloc: it is, modprobe from module-init-tools can handle /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 10:14.58 | Kzimm | hi all |
| 10:14.59 | sdfdsfd | hey guys, any ideas what package dos2unix is in? |
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| 10:15.05 | Gandalf_vhcs | jm_: thanks |
| 10:15.13 | jm_ | sdfs;/msg dpkg search |
| 10:15.25 | jm_ | Gandalf_vhcs: no worries |
| 10:15.32 | drac | sdfdsfd: install apt-file (apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update) and you can apt-file search dos2unix. |
| 10:15.38 | Kzimm | just a little stupid question. No probleme on witch on and off an external hard drive in USB2 while box online ? |
| 10:15.55 | jm_ | Kzimm: make sure to umount it first |
| 10:15.58 | kaner | sdfdsfd: apt-file search dos2unix |
| 10:15.59 | joloc | jm_: so modprobe will read everything in modprobe.d on startup? no need to run additional commands...? |
| 10:16.16 | sdfdsfd | why do i need apt-file? |
| 10:16.17 | Kzimm | jm_: ah good okay and else it's ok ? |
| 10:16.20 | jm_ | joloc: yes, manpage mentions this dir IIRC |
| 10:16.26 | bob2 | Kzimm: yes |
| 10:16.30 | drac | sdfdsfd: so you don't have to ask stupid questions where something is anymore. |
| 10:16.32 | jm_ | Kzimm: sure, that's what they're made for, aren't they? |
| 10:16.33 | Kzimm | bob2: thanks a lot |
| 10:16.44 | Kzimm | jm_: yes but i prefer ask :) |
| 10:16.47 | Kzimm | jm_: thanks |
| 10:16.55 | sdfdsfd | drac, i've done an apt-cache search already. |
| 10:17.06 | drac | sdfdsfd: so? apt-file is no apt-cache |
| 10:17.09 | joloc | jm_: thanks (module-init-tools version 3.2-pre1) |
| 10:17.23 | bob2 | Kzimm: you're welcome |
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| 10:21.49 | Aarcane | apt, huh ? |
| 10:21.50 | apt | Welcome to ICQ. |
| 10:21.55 | ruzbeh | where can i see if my printer is supported by cups |
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| 10:22.14 | Aarcane | apt, are you.. okay ? |
| 10:22.22 | ruzbeh | hi apt |
| 10:22.31 | ruzbeh | -_- |
| 10:22.34 | ruzbeh | hi dpkg |
| 10:22.39 | jm_ | ruzbeh: check linuxprinting.org |
| 10:22.44 | ruzbeh | !hello dpkg |
| 10:22.50 | ruzbeh | !hello |
| 10:22.50 | dpkg | Hi, ruzbeh! |
| 10:24.18 | ruzbeh | jm_, if my printer isn't supported my computer will never be windows-free... |
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| 10:24.54 | jm_ | ruzbeh: so start finding out if it is supported then - that site has lots of models listed and you can check if it works etc. |
| 10:25.06 | ruzbeh | jm_, ok thank god thank god it works |
| 10:25.09 | _joey | which tools do I use to rip dvds ? |
| 10:25.19 | petemc | dvdrip |
| 10:25.22 | jm_ | ruzbeh: which model is it? |
| 10:25.48 | bob2 | acidrip is good |
| 10:26.06 | ruzbeh | jm_, Canon BJC-1000 |
| 10:26.34 | _joey | thanks |
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| 10:27.16 | sep | bob2, petemc, can any of those rip programs be used to try to recover a slightly scratched dvd ? ie it playes but skips a log at certain sections |
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| 10:27.48 | bob2 | don't think there's anything line cdparanoia |
| 10:27.57 | bob2 | you could just use dd and hope it gets it eventually |
| 10:28.41 | mikywhite | hi, I included ZAxisMapping in my config file, but my mouse wheel still doesn't have any scrolling effect. |
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| 10:29.14 | sep | then i could rip the image i created perhaps ? since i dont think a dvd-r can fit a regular feature film ? |
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| 10:29.44 | possie | anyone know a good backup to tape program in linux ? that let's me configure scheduled/incremental backups? |
| 10:29.50 | SlayerXP | possie: amanda |
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| 10:31.02 | possie | SlayerXP: perfect, you use it as well? |
| 10:31.17 | jm_ | mikywhite: you also need to use correct protocol |
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| 10:31.41 | zulkifar | Is there an analog of Windows CDEX program on debian/linux. This program can grab WAVs from CDDA, retrieve artist/disc info from freedb and use lame to create MP3s with tags. |
| 10:31.55 | bob2 | abcde |
| 10:31.58 | mikywhite | i have the standard microsoft optical mouse, i use PS/2 |
| 10:32.04 | bob2 | make sure you use cdparanoia, tho |
| 10:32.09 | bob2 | accept no substitutes |
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| 10:32.15 | ejkaatwork | mikywhite: use IMPS/2 |
| 10:32.35 | bob2 | zulkifar: there are about five hundred trillion free cd ripping programs for linux |
| 10:32.43 | SlayerXP | possie: not right now, but I have done so in the past in several companies with great success |
| 10:32.44 | possie | SlayerXP: since i need to be able to backup/restore my ext3 filesystem wich has ACL support, and i need to have those ACL's backup'ed as well |
| 10:32.59 | mikywhite | i'll give it a try right now |
| 10:33.01 | SlayerXP | possie: amanda won't do that. |
| 10:33.08 | zulkifar | bob2: sure, I use cdparanoia for 3 years to copy CDDAs on linux :) And, of course, cdparanoia compiled into CDEX mentioned above. |
| 10:33.10 | bob2 | possie: star can do that |
| 10:33.14 | possie | SlayerXP: damn :( |
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| 10:33.50 | possie | bob2: yeam i'm using star now, but i want to be able to do incrementals and stuff, it's possible with find, but i would rather have it done be a program which is proven to be stable |
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| 10:35.08 | infernux | cane someone help me with da compiler problem (running unstable)? |
| 10:35.13 | zulkifar | bob2: I like that there are so many tools, but I'm going to construct a kind of conveer to convert all my CDs into MP3 with ~256ABR. So I need tools which would work together (if there is no one with all the functions) |
| 10:36.04 | zulkifar | bob2: I'll try abcde |
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| 10:36.34 | marderh | hi |
| 10:37.04 | possie | SlayerXP: i guess not much people use ACL's while they are really helpfull |
| 10:37.28 | bob2 | infernux: not unless you ask |
| 10:37.39 | SlayerXP | possie: *shrug* never used them |
| 10:37.40 | bob2 | zulkifar: abcde rips, encodes, tags, moves aroud, etc |
| 10:37.45 | bob2 | zulkifar: tho so do most of them |
| 10:38.13 | zulkifar | bob2: cool! I've just installed it |
| 10:39.23 | directhex|work | i like kaudiocreator, for my sins |
| 10:39.44 | directhex|work | it's probably closest to cdex, anyway |
| 10:41.12 | jm_ | hmm wasn't there gkrellm hddtemp plugin? |
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| 10:42.42 | infernux | ok, the problem is the following: when compiling various packages (eg, ooo-build), I get egrrors like "checking for deflate in -lz... no" although the libs and -dev packages are installed |
| 10:42.58 | Tinky | I have had windows installed then installed debian with grub to the MBR, Ive reinstalled windows and lost grub, how do i get it to boot back into linux? |
| 10:43.09 | jm_ | Tinky: rescue floppy/CD and fix it |
| 10:43.42 | bob2 | infernux: then the source is broken |
| 10:43.49 | bob2 | infernux: tho more likely you haven't installed the right stuff |
| 10:43.50 | Tinky | i dont have one |
| 10:43.54 | Tinky | :D |
| 10:43.59 | bob2 | infernux: or you forgot to delete config.cache |
| 10:44.37 | jm_ | hmm maybe I would need sensors for it to show hddtemp as well, and it just doesn't give me the options since I don't have them on this motherboard - I know I have it showing disk temperature at home |
| 10:44.41 | Tinky | i have the sarge dvd but it wont let me boot to the prompt or anything |
| 10:44.51 | infernux | in this case, zlib is installed correctly and was the 1. time i ran configure/make... |
| 10:44.51 | jm_ | Tinky: use it in advanced mode or somesuch |
| 10:45.18 | ejkaatwork | Tinky: press alt-f2 |
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| 10:45.26 | Tinky | ok |
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| 10:45.30 | Tinky | thanks alot ill try that |
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| 10:49.30 | zulkifar | bob2: ahh, i like abcde! Who is developer? The God? :) |
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| 10:50.05 | bob2 | hehe |
| 10:50.54 | directhex|work | so why did you ask for cdex as a model? |
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| 10:52.44 | zulkifar | directhex|work: functionality |
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| 10:53.37 | zulkifar | directhex|work: and of course I'm joking about GUI. At least until I find not-GUI equivalent to GIMP/Sodipodi :) |
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| 10:53.52 | directhex|work | function being a cddb + cd->wav + wav->$compressed |
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| 10:54.11 | zulkifar | directhex|work: exactly |
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| 10:54.51 | directhex|work | i still like kaudiocreator |
| 10:55.17 | opteron | Ïðèâåò |
| 10:55.25 | Guerin | cdex was a good little app |
| 10:55.29 | zulkifar | directhex|work: I would try it but on another machine. (This one is pretty slow to use KDE) |
| 10:56.15 | zulkifar | opteron: Ïðèâåò, but don't use russian |
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| 10:56.31 | kmarty | opteron: pøí¹erko :-) |
| 10:56.47 | zulkifar | kmarty: it was cp1251 I guess |
| 10:56.48 | mikywhite | i tried using IMPS/2 with /dev/input/mice, but it had trouble readin from the mice device. so the problem might be with USB. |
| 10:56.59 | Guerin | mikywhite: laptop? |
| 10:57.03 | directhex|work | kde? i don't use kde, i just like a couple of kde apps |
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| 10:57.13 | opteron | Sorry, but why i don't use russian ? |
| 10:57.22 | directhex|work | !ru |
| 10:57.22 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 10:57.26 | zulkifar | opteron: /join #debian-russian |
| 10:57.29 | Silensius | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.30 | Silensius | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) What mus i do to resolve this ? |
| 10:57.31 | mikywhite | Guerin, desktop |
| 10:57.42 | kmarty | zulkifar: in fact, I don't know :-) It may be ISO Latin2 or CP1250. I have charconv because all windows users using CP1250 so I can't say which encoding I sending |
| 10:57.44 | opteron | ok |
| 10:57.45 | opteron | ^) |
| 10:57.47 | opteron | :) |
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| 10:58.04 | Guerin | mikywhite: hrm, funky. I've seen usb flake out with acpi on laptops - when you've exhausted all other possibilities, try acpi=off |
| 10:58.07 | mikywhite | Guerin, i had trouble usign my mousewheel. so i tried switching the protocol, but it can't read the mice dev. |
| 10:58.28 | Guerin | mikywhite: oh |
| 10:58.29 | jm_ | mikywhite: use ExplorerPS/2 if it's 2.6 kernel |
| 10:58.45 | mikywhite | i'm running 2.4.29 |
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| 10:59.08 | drac | mikywhite: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" and Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" in your XF86Config-4 and I bet the wheel comes alive. |
| 10:59.14 | jm_ | then use ImPS/2 I guess, and load the relevant drives |
| 10:59.14 | kmarty | eh, "Pogalujsta" ??? |
| 10:59.23 | jm_ | drivers |
| 10:59.41 | digitalbit | Question !!! Can some help me with the charset (pt_PT@euro) I can use the keyboard ... but if i create a file with a special char like "ç" or "á" if I #ls -l they all came mess up lis ??file?? |
| 10:59.42 | mikywhite | drac, nah i've tried that. |
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| 10:59.59 | Guerin | kmarty: what about it? |
| 11:00.07 | mikywhite | i don't know much about USB on linux so i am not sure how to debug this. i'll try and read that USB howto. |
| 11:00.07 | Guerin | kmarty: is it wrong or something? |
| 11:00.43 | directhex|work | i'd say 'pajalsta', but i only did some basic russian 5 years ago |
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| 11:01.15 | zulkifar | directhex|work: because I just afraid I get a KDE/Gnome app with no all functions unless my environment is KDE/Gnome. Possibly I wrong (dependencies rocks :)) |
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| 11:01.47 | kmarty | Guerin: ehm, I am not russian so I don't know how it write in latin chars. But I think that Pogalujsta is not exactly correct |
| 11:01.51 | zulkifar | kmarty: thats agains the standard. It must be: "Pozhalujjsta" |
| 11:01.57 | directhex|work | zulkifar, you're wrong. i use a ix of kdeish & gnomish apps from xfce4 |
| 11:02.01 | kmarty | zulkifar: taht's better :-) |
| 11:02.14 | drac | directhex|work: yeah, XFCE 4.2 is neat :-) |
| 11:02.16 | Guerin | zulkifar: go ahead and change it, I suppose. |
| 11:02.31 | kmarty | Pa¾álsta :-) |
| 11:02.43 | drac | option to use gnomelibs/kdelibs.. |
| 11:02.47 | kmarty | or |
| 11:02.54 | kmarty | pa¾aljsta |
| 11:03.00 | passi | hi there. I just installed my tomcat via dselect. But can anyone help me getting my tomcat manager completely to work? i got the problem that it keeps saying /html command not found when i call /manager/html. |
| 11:03.00 | kmarty | it is hard to write :-) |
| 11:03.14 | Guerin | what's it mean, anyhow? |
| 11:03.21 | zulkifar | kmarty: its incorrect in any way |
| 11:03.44 | directhex|work | Guerin, "please" |
| 11:03.48 | Guerin | hah |
| 11:03.52 | ajs | uh does anybody have any idea why a debian unstable install randomly stops picking up software raid arrays? |
| 11:04.03 | zulkifar | Guerin: no, existing variant is ok. "Standard" which I mentioned - its official Russian one. Ppl in the Net don't use it :)) |
| 11:04.14 | directhex|work | ajs, random? i suspect it'd be udev actually |
| 11:04.22 | Guerin | zulkifar: right, I get that a lot here in korea. |
| 11:04.23 | zinx | ajs: after updating? :/ |
| 11:04.30 | ajs | /proc/mdstat only shows the array / is installed on, /home and /files (some other raid partitions) don't get detected. |
| 11:04.42 | ajs | zinx, fresh install from yesterday. |
| 11:04.45 | ajs | first boot was fine |
| 11:04.49 | ajs | second boot, fails. |
| 11:05.00 | directhex|work | ajs, is udev installed? dpkg -l udev | grep ^ii |
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| 11:05.06 | Guerin | third boot? maybe it only likes odd numbers... |
| 11:05.25 | ajs | udev might be the issue but I believe if the arrays don't show up in /proc/mdstat, they won't get device nodes made for them. |
| 11:05.42 | directhex|work | and they won't appear in /proc/mdstat unless they're in /sys |
| 11:05.46 | digitalbit | Can some one list files with special chars ??? like ç?á? ??? |
| 11:05.51 | directhex|work | and they won't be in /sys unless the modules are all loaded |
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| 11:05.59 | ajs | i know if md was built into the kernel i could just pass the raid drives explicitly over the kernel cmdline, but as debian packages md as a module I can't figure out how to instruct it. |
| 11:06.06 | directhex|work | which won't happen until prompted to do so by something trying to touch the md device in /dev |
| 11:06.06 | ajs | autodetection clearly isn't working. |
| 11:06.14 | directhex|work | vicious circle of viciousness |
| 11:06.18 | directhex|work | i had this on my HTPC |
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| 11:06.51 | ajs | yeah udev is installed. |
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| 11:06.55 | directhex|work | the fix in my case was to re-order the init scripts in rc1.d (i think), to load hotplug, then mdadm, then udev, in that order |
| 11:07.05 | directhex|work | the default is the reverse |
| 11:07.13 | ajs | that sounds like a good idea. |
| 11:07.16 | ajs | I'll try that. |
| 11:07.30 | directhex|work | good luck, that took me a week of hacking to discover |
| 11:08.10 | SlayerXP | udev *shudder* |
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| 11:08.28 | ajs | I can *remove* udev, if that's even possible with the current unstable. |
| 11:08.35 | ajs | I really just want this machine to work, quickly. |
| 11:09.06 | directhex|work | you can remove udev, as long as gnome goes too |
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| 11:09.10 | addNtoX | hi folks |
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| 11:09.21 | jcook | udev ... good or bad? |
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| 11:09.25 | directhex|work | i prefer my fix, i know it worked for me |
| 11:09.39 | directhex|work | udev is... flawed in its current implementation |
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| 11:10.00 | directhex|work | i agree with udev, i disagree with some of the fallout caused by its development going the way it does |
| 11:10.05 | ajs | directhex, did you mean rcS.d rather than rc1.d? |
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| 11:10.22 | directhex|work | you know? i can't remember. i killed that machine |
| 11:10.23 | ajs | Also udev is started suspiciously early, is it safe to move it? |
| 11:10.32 | directhex|work | yeah, it's fine to move it |
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| 11:10.58 | directhex|work | just make sure it goes hotplug->mdadm->udev, and you should be fine |
| 11:11.16 | directhex|work | or whatever you use rather than mdadm, i'm sure you know what you're doing with software raid, probably more than i do |
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| 11:12.13 | quitte | tarzeau: are you there? |
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| 11:13.25 | Gearhead | uit |
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| 11:16.11 | newbie_ | Hello |
| 11:16.26 | opteron | Hallo. Please help me. How I can write to my debian console in Russian. What I must to do ? |
| 11:16.35 | Guerin | realistically speaking, how long can a monitor cable be? |
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| 11:17.06 | ejkaatwork | opteron: apt-get install console-cyrillic |
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| 11:17.19 | quitte | Guerin: i wouldn'T use anything more than 3m. less is better. |
| 11:17.25 | joa | Hello, im trying to setup a cd-burner, but im having trouble :( |
| 11:17.44 | jm_ | Guerin: it depends on its quality and resolution - the higher it is, the sooner you'll see side effects |
| 11:17.44 | joa | the burner is found I can see that with dmesg |
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| 11:17.50 | Guerin | my damn isp have wired the interner link into the lounge - the computer room is at the far end of the house. |
| 11:17.52 | joa | it is a scsi burner |
| 11:17.52 | newbie_ | I have a problem with apt-get update ,my error message is: Gpg error: http://ftp.debain.org testing Release Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory |
| 11:17.58 | opteron | I have done it already |
| 11:18.07 | joa | but it does not show up in Nautilus cd/dvd burning dialog |
| 11:18.13 | njan | Guerin, best bet? Stick your ADSL/cable modem in the lounge, run cat5 to the other side of the house |
| 11:18.13 | jm_ | Guerin: serial console ;) |
| 11:18.15 | huliganz | i need advice |
| 11:18.16 | trom | Hi, I want to make a debian-package out of a bash-skript, which howto do you guess is the apt one? |
| 11:18.16 | huliganz | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/konq-plugins_4%3a3.3.2-2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 11:18.16 | huliganz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.16 | huliganz | Preparing to replace kdeedu-data 4:3.3.2-2 (using .../kdeedu-data_4%3a3.3.2-3_all.deb) ... |
| 11:18.16 | huliganz | Unpacking replacement kdeedu-data ... |
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| 11:18.19 | joa | anzone know what might be wrong? |
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| 11:18.25 | huliganz | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeedu-data_4%3a3.3.2-3_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 11:18.27 | huliganz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.28 | njan | Guerin, that way in the future you have an option to stick computers in the lounge with a switch on either end of the cat5. |
| 11:18.39 | Guerin | njan: no modem; just an eth cable hanging out of the wall, wired into their dhcp box in the basement |
| 11:19.02 | njan | Guerin, you can get female-female RJ45 couplers.. one of those and a length of cat5 would do it |
| 11:19.19 | njan | Guerin, cat5 will run ~250m with no significant signal loss, monitor cables won't go very far at all. |
| 11:19.43 | Rawplayer | 100m |
| 11:19.46 | Guerin | njan: yeah, I have enough eth cable, but I don't really want to run a cable from the lounge to the computer room, then another from the computer room to wherever the laptop is... |
| 11:19.49 | Guerin | hrm |
| 11:20.05 | Guerin | i do have some cool army-camo gaffer tape to tape it all up with, though |
| 11:20.21 | njan | Guerin, wireless? |
| 11:20.23 | njan | Guerin, http://www.smarthome.com/8625.html |
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| 11:20.34 | njan | Rawplayer, it's definitely longer than 100m. |
| 11:20.50 | drac | huliganz: don't fucking paste here, and you can install (at your own risk) the packages with: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/name_of_a_package.deb |
| 11:20.58 | Guerin | njan: unwilling to spend money. All this hardware is effectively throwaway; we're only here for a year, then we have to get rid of it all |
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| 11:21.20 | Guerin | why yes, I am a picky bastard :) |
| 11:21.27 | njan | Rawplayer, I've serviced STP runs of 200m before now. |
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| 11:22.25 | njan | Guerin, well.. RJ45 coupler is $2.. 25m of cat5 is $15 offtheshelf, an 802.11b access point with a wireless card is $60; and all that stuff will fit in a laptop case, so you can take it wherever you're going next :) |
| 11:22.33 | newbie_ | how can i install a file.gpg in my gpg keyring? |
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| 11:22.58 | njan | newbie_, man gpg |
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| 11:23.19 | Guerin | njan: heh. I dunno about that :) |
| 11:23.28 | Guerin | njan: road trip asia -> europe |
| 11:23.29 | hackeron | can someone please check for me if they can reach http://vortexhost.com? -- I cant seem to reach it and I think if may be a problem with my ISP rather than the hosting company. |
| 11:23.33 | njan | Guerin, well, it all depends what you're going for. |
| 11:23.47 | njan | Guerin, surely you have *some* belongings you're sticking in storage or with friends/family? |
| 11:23.48 | Guerin | njan: yeah, i'll think on it, thanks :) |
| 11:23.51 | njan | :) |
| 11:24.01 | newbie_ | I know it with file.asc but i couldn't find anything about file.gpg |
| 11:24.07 | Guerin | njan: not really, since I'm already 10,000km away from home |
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| 11:24.25 | njan | Guerin, this is basically the way I went when we were in the US in temporary accomodation for 6 months. I ran cat5 to the place the desktops needed to be and stuck a linksys wireless router there. |
| 11:24.41 | njan | Guerin, and then I took the cat5 and the router with me when I moved across the atlantic using two suitcases and a rucksack :) |
| 11:24.46 | njan | Guerin, :( |
| 11:25.36 | Guerin | njan: yeah. The other thing I'm wanting to do is play movies from the desktop box on my tv |
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| 11:25.54 | Guerin | which sort of makes having them close a good thing |
| 11:26.06 | Guerin | how tricky is it to do by rf? |
| 11:26.26 | njan | Guerin, I live just down the road from a company who make exactly what you want.. little box the size of a hard disk with an RJ45 socket and a SCART interface; you plug the RJ45 port into the network, the SCART into the TV, and multicast video at it into the tv :p |
| 11:26.37 | njan | and the best part is, it runs linux :) |
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| 11:27.12 | petemc | Guerin: get yourself an xbox and mod it :) |
| 11:27.26 | njan | petemc, my way's much more fun :p |
| 11:27.34 | Guerin | njan: I have a mate in NZ who built one out of a greenboard and some solder, but I'm a) not that skilled and b) unable to find the right parts in this country where nobody has a DIY ethos |
| 11:27.42 | njan | Guerin, :( |
| 11:27.55 | petemc | njan: i dunno, the xbox is pretty versatile |
| 11:28.12 | njan | petemc, yeah. I'd rather have one of these cool little linux boxes, though. |
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| 11:28.38 | petemc | njan: different strokes for different folks :) |
| 11:28.43 | njan | petemc, :) |
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| 11:30.06 | grozniy | hi all , i have mp3 files named in russian, but i cant read them because instead of words it gives me something like ???????, can anybody help ? |
| 11:30.28 | njan | petemc, I have a really big flat with odd wiring, I love solutions that don't require extra wiring/muchhardware and work over my network ;) |
| 11:30.38 | petemc | njan: like the xbox :) |
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| 11:31.20 | zulkifar | grozniy: do you have console-cyrillic installed? |
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| 11:31.45 | njan | petemc, not network-centric enough for me. this is thin client, yours is thick client :p |
| 11:31.47 | grozniy | zulkifar: not sure |
| 11:31.54 | bob2 | oh, wow |
| 11:31.56 | grozniy | zulkifar: i will check |
| 11:31.59 | bob2 | CJ leaked it! |
| 11:32.16 | cafuego | leaked it? |
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| 11:32.45 | Guerin | did he clean it up? |
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| 11:33.58 | zulkifar | grozniy: where your files are located? cdrom? |
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| 11:34.09 | bob2 | cafuego: west wing! |
| 11:34.18 | cafuego | bob2: ugh |
| 11:34.37 | bob2 | Rose was good |
| 11:34.47 | cafuego | slutty piper! |
| 11:34.57 | bob2 | tho I can't quite tell if it was an elaborate joke or an actual dr who episode |
| 11:34.57 | directhex|work | i missed it :x |
| 11:35.06 | directhex|work | gotta find a torrent i feel |
| 11:35.11 | bob2 | cafuego: I believe "slapper" is the technical term |
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| 11:35.27 | Why-o-why | hi nerds |
| 11:35.38 | cafuego | bob2: it is, but I can't go upsetting the merkins by using big, foreign words ;-) |
| 11:35.47 | bob2 | haha |
| 11:35.57 | bob2 | Why-o-why: did you at least read the troll howto this time? |
| 11:36.03 | directhex|work | i resent that, troll. i'm a geek, not a nerd. |
| 11:36.06 | Why-o-why | can someone join #pua and ask them to let me back in please? PLEASE! |
| 11:36.18 | bob2 | you were banned? |
| 11:36.20 | bob2 | SHOCK! |
| 11:36.21 | Why-o-why | yes |
| 11:36.22 | bob2 | HORROR! |
| 11:36.31 | bob2 | the injustice of it all |
| 11:36.32 | zulkifar | grozniy: if its a cdrom in iso9660 then you probably want to do something like: mount -o iocharset=windows-1251 /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
| 11:36.37 | cafuego | Why-o-why: Try asking on #freenode, this isn't your private beggars channel. |
| 11:36.44 | bob2 | let me play you the world's smallest violin |
| 11:37.32 | Why-o-why | cute |
| 11:37.41 | grozniy | zulkifar: i just installed console-cyr... |
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| 11:37.59 | Why-o-why | not long zinx |
| 11:38.14 | cafuego | zinx: Quicker if you call bob2 a boring old cow |
| 11:38.15 | grozniy | zulkifar: and i will try to mount the way you shown |
| 11:38.25 | grozniy | zulkifar: thx for help |
| 11:38.29 | zinx | cafuego: that boring old cow wouldn't ban me for something that silly :P |
| 11:38.37 | zulkifar | grozniy: udachi :) |
| 11:38.48 | bob2 | I resent that |
| 11:38.57 | bob2 | I may be old, boring and bovine, but I'm not... |
| 11:39.02 | zinx | hehe |
| 11:39.13 | cafuego | bob2: No seriously, quite amazing, playing such a tiny volin with hooves! |
| 11:39.35 | grozniy | zulkifar: do you know how shoud i write the same statement in fstab to mount cdrom ? |
| 11:39.42 | grozniy | zulkifar: do you know how shoud i write the same statement in fstab to mount cdrom ? |
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| 11:39.50 | grozniy | zulkifar: do you know how shoud i write the same statement in fstab to mount cdrom ? |
| 11:39.59 | rob^ | piss off |
| 11:40.07 | bob2 | grozniy: once is enough, methinks |
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| 11:41.26 | opteron | Ask me , please, what I should do after apt-get install console-cyrillic ? |
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| 11:41.41 | cafuego | FUCKING HELL! |
| 11:42.01 | bob2 | for being too similar to cc.com.au? |
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| 11:42.39 | cafuego | bob2: For rejecting my PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE mails as spam. |
| 11:42.51 | bob2 | ah |
| 11:42.52 | Guerin | cafuego: 5xx? |
| 11:43.04 | cafuego | bob2: And yes, we do get the occasional PDF at remit@cc.com.au |
| 11:43.29 | cafuego | Guerin: 5.7.1 |
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| 11:43.35 | bob2 | hah |
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| 11:43.48 | Guerin | cafuego: 5adg7er1 |
| 11:43.52 | cafuego | Guerin: it's happy if I remove ALL quited material, but not otherwise. |
| 11:43.53 | Guerin | ? |
| 11:44.09 | Guerin | quoted material? |
| 11:44.13 | bob2 | quilted |
| 11:44.17 | bob2 | it doesn't like patchwork stuff |
| 11:44.25 | Guerin | well, I can understand that |
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| 11:44.33 | p88 | hi all |
| 11:44.44 | bob2 | haha |
| 11:44.47 | p88 | I have a weird problem with unicode |
| 11:45.03 | RichiH | p88: the rest of the world does not support it? ;) |
| 11:45.49 | p88 | I do dpkg-reconfigure locales and set it to utf-8, the next time I start it for example to configure postgresql to support utf-8 I get weird frames |
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| 11:46.37 | p88 | with a-s that have a circumflex on them and black boxes all over the place |
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| 11:46.49 | Guerin | p88: in the dpkg-reconfigure dialogues? |
| 11:46.52 | _joey | bob2 I inserted udf module and install dvdrip and when I run it looks for /dev/dvd dev which is missing |
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| 11:47.09 | p88 | Guerin: yes in those dialogues |
| 11:47.18 | bob2 | _joey: configure it to use the right device |
| 11:47.18 | Guerin | p88: I get that too, never found a fix |
| 11:47.31 | _joey | how ? |
| 11:47.37 | tklauser | Anyone knows where I can get the SGI Fonts for Debian? I can only find them for suse in rpm form. |
| 11:47.41 | _joey | which device is right? |
| 11:47.42 | p88 | Guerin: do you have utf-8 as system default as well? |
| 11:47.45 | Guerin | p88: yes |
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| 11:48.13 | p88 | Guerin: do you experience any problems as I would like to have it too but I hear that the rest of the world does not support it |
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| 11:48.19 | satchmo | :-) |
| 11:48.20 | p88 | except for dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 11:48.35 | njan | cafuego, I have a friend who's been blacklisted thanks to some random spam artist spoofing mail from his domain, and just about every mail filter in the planet drops his mail straight into the spam folder / dev/null |
| 11:48.37 | Guerin | p88: I don't have any trouble, no. |
| 11:48.41 | p88 | Good :) |
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| 11:49.10 | Guerin | p88: all of ascii and most of 8859-x is in utf-8 anyway |
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| 11:49.39 | p88 | Guerin: yes indeed and ehm.. do you have postgresql? |
| 11:49.52 | p88 | it seems not to support utf-8 |
| 11:50.00 | Guerin | p88: no, I don't. |
| 11:50.07 | p88 | okay |
| 11:50.10 | _joey | okay done |
| 11:50.14 | p88 | well maybe I found the error |
| 11:50.32 | p88 | yep I found it |
| 11:50.47 | directhex|work | p88, i get what you describe in tty's other than tty1 |
| 11:50.48 | p88 | Guerin: It does support it but ISO-8859-1 is needed |
| 11:51.01 | yoc | how to list files in utc time? |
| 11:51.02 | directhex|work | i.e. tty1 and pts are fine, tty2-7 display broken curses dialogs |
| 11:51.16 | p88 | directhex|work: might be the case... I can't look as irssi is running on tty1 |
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| 11:51.45 | directhex|work | p88, try running "unicode_start" on tty2 then try again |
| 11:52.02 | p88 | directhex|work: maybe there is a setting for that. I remember the setup procedure saying something like "Setting <this and that> locale on tty1" |
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| 11:52.23 | netbrain | whats wrong when i can recieve ip from dhcp with an apple airport, but if i try to ping anything i dont have contact what so ever? |
| 11:52.24 | p88 | I will try that |
| 11:52.33 | netbrain | i connected to a wep secured network |
| 11:53.03 | p88 | directhex|work: that works :D |
| 11:53.07 | p88 | very nice |
| 11:53.07 | directhex|work | dhcp != wep |
| 11:53.16 | directhex|work | feed your connection a wep key with iwconfig |
| 11:53.32 | directhex|work | p88, good, i'm glad, let me know if you find a way to apply that to all terms |
| 11:53.34 | njan | netbrain, if you're getting a dhcp lease, you're connected to the network; can you ping the airport? |
| 11:53.38 | ruzbeh | why doesn't openoffice listen to my GTK2 theme? doesn't it use GTK2???? |
| 11:53.43 | Stereo | directhex|work: if wep doesn't work dhcp won't |
| 11:53.45 | p88 | directhex|work: I was just about to ask you for that ;) |
| 11:53.51 | Guerin | ruzbeh: nope, sure doesn't |
| 11:53.52 | netbrain | njan: yes i can ping myself. but i cant ping the dhcp server |
| 11:53.59 | Stereo | if he can get an ip, wep is obviously working |
| 11:54.00 | netbrain | even tough i got an ip lease |
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| 11:54.06 | ruzbeh | Guerin, DAMMIT, does version 2.0 beta? |
| 11:54.06 | njan | netbrain, so you can't even ping the airport which has given you the dhcp lease? |
| 11:54.14 | directhex|work | Stereo, that's not my experience, using any os. dhcp is fine, but no routing without wep |
| 11:54.20 | Guerin | ruzbeh: doubtful |
| 11:54.26 | ruzbeh | just great |
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| 11:54.31 | Guerin | ruzbeh: why? |
| 11:54.36 | njan | directhex|work, wep is a prerequisite for dhcp |
| 11:54.38 | p88 | directhex|work: I found a way |
| 11:54.39 | directhex|work | i epxect openoffice 2 uses your jdk theme setting ;P |
| 11:54.40 | ruzbeh | Guerin, i can't stand anything that doesn't use GTK2 |
| 11:54.43 | Guerin | ruzbeh: if you really care, it can probably be built with gtk2 |
| 11:54.45 | netbrain | njan: no i cant ping the dhcp serer, but its not an airport.its connected to a linksys ap |
| 11:54.47 | njan | directhex|work, you can have wep without IP, but you can't have dhcp without WEP |
| 11:54.50 | Guerin | ruzbeh: haha, you poor bastard |
| 11:55.07 | directhex|work | there's an openoffice gnome package of some sort...? |
| 11:55.36 | njan | netbrain, check your dhcp settings are all ok.. sounds to me like there's some netmask or IP range breakage somewhere.. because if you've been given a dhcp lease, you should be able to ping your dhcp server. |
| 11:55.36 | Stereo | directhex|work: dhcp is a couple of layers above wep. This makes no sense. |
| 11:55.39 | directhex|work | openoffice.org-gtk-gnome |
| 11:55.49 | MobyTurbo | there's a ximian-patched open offfice that looks like it's a GNOME app. |
| 11:55.52 | netbrain | njan: worksw perfectly when i use a cable.. |
| 11:55.54 | njan | Stereo, I think he may be pre-coffee :p |
| 11:55.59 | directhex|work | !info openoffice.org-gtk-gnome |
| 11:56.03 | njan | netbrain, ouch. Latest version of the firmware? |
| 11:56.04 | netbrain | and it works perfectly when i run mac osx |
| 11:56.05 | dpkg | openoffice.org-gtk-gnome: (Gtk UI Plugin and GNOME File Picker for OpenOffice.org), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.1.3-8 (sid), Packaged size: 155 kB, Installed size: 464 kB |
| 11:56.05 | Stereo | possibly :) |
| 11:56.10 | p88 | directhex|work: First option: edit /etc/init.d/rc and look at the very end there is a section with case "$runlevel", now put unicode_start _after_ the startup $i start line |
| 11:56.21 | netbrain | njan: what firmware you talking about? |
| 11:56.23 | njan | netbrain, oh? is this on an apple laptop running linux? |
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| 11:56.37 | netbrain | njan: yes its an ibook g3 i believe |
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| 11:56.48 | njan | netbrain, on the AP.. but ignore that for the timebeing.. if it works in OSX, it shouldn't be an issue with the firmware. I've had some problems with recent 3com routers which let me connect but then just dropped the wireless network connection |
| 11:56.58 | MobyTurbo | why anyone would opt for the gnome-file-picker is beyond me. |
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| 11:57.12 | netbrain | yeah it seems like thats what happening here.. |
| 11:57.12 | p88 | directhex|work: Second option: make a new rc script and have it be called in rc{2,3,4,5}.d |
| 11:57.29 | netbrain | but im compiling a new kernel now and see how that turns out |
| 11:57.30 | njan | netbrain, it sounds like it's an issue with linux's love for whatever wireless card your laptop has, but I've never touched an apple machine running linux, so I wouldn't know what you're going to have to look for. I'd hazard a guess that finding some apple-linux-y-people would be your best starting point, though. |
| 11:57.37 | njan | netbrain, *thoroughly unhelpful* :( |
| 11:58.01 | directhex|work | MobyTurbo, doesn't seem to work anyway |
| 11:58.17 | netbrain | hehe. ive have followed a dousin howtos on installing debian on ibook. and not one of them have worked for me yet :( |
| 11:58.25 | njan | netbrain, can you paste me the output of 'route' in /msg? |
| 11:58.26 | directhex|work | what version of debian? |
| 11:58.31 | njan | netbrain, or into pastebin.com |
| 11:58.34 | MobyTurbo | directhex|work: gnome's file picker doesn't seem to work even when it does work. |
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| 11:58.50 | directhex|work | MobyTurbo, it takes some... getting sued to... |
| 11:58.51 | Noid | how do i know in which package resides a certain library (X11/xpm.h in this case)? |
| 11:58.53 | quitte | tarzeau: are you there? |
| 11:58.53 | directhex|work | *used |
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| 11:59.04 | directhex|work | !find X11/xpm.h |
| 11:59.05 | netbrain | njan: no sorry. i have deleted the kernel that had that airport issue. im only using cable atm |
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| 11:59.21 | MobyTurbo | directhex|work: well, unfortunately one can't sue the person who wrote it. ;-) |
| 11:59.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'X11/xpm.h' (1): (/usr/X11R6/include/X11/xpm.h) in libdevel/libxpm-dev. |
| 11:59.24 | tibo_ | hi folks |
| 11:59.32 | Noid | directhex|work: thanks (: |
| 11:59.35 | netbrain | *bbl* |
| 11:59.58 | njan | netbrain, lol. Well.. if you want to try it again, you might try looking at the routes for your interfaces. If you still have routes for the wired network whilst you're trying to connect via wireless, your laptop may be failing to ping because it's trying to ping over the wired interface |
| 12:00.12 | njan | netbrain, an ifconfig $_yourwiredinterface down should fix that if it's the problem |
| 12:00.28 | Seadog | meh how do I get bluetooth working >_> |
| 12:00.40 | tibo_ | in a professionnal environment, how often should an administrator verify the availability of updates? |
| 12:00.58 | tibo_ | weekly is enough? |
| 12:01.02 | directhex|work | Seadog, define "working" |
| 12:01.04 | njan | tibo_, I do every other day. |
| 12:01.15 | netbrain | njan: yeah i did that before ifup eth1 <-- the wlan |
| 12:01.25 | MobyTurbo | tibo_: subscribe to the security mailing list, and evaluate whether one needs to upgrade or not. |
| 12:01.25 | Seadog | basically I think it can "see" my mouse/keyboard but it can't connect to them |
| 12:01.27 | netbrain | i figured as much |
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| 12:01.34 | Seadog | I have tried finding Bluez but I can't |
| 12:01.36 | MobyTurbo | tibo_: make that security-announce |
| 12:01.36 | directhex|work | Seadog, install bluez-utils |
| 12:01.48 | Seadog | it is |
| 12:01.50 | directhex|work | !info bluez-utils sarge |
| 12:01.52 | dpkg | bluez-utils: (Bluetooth tools and daemons), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.15-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 12:01.53 | tibo_ | MobyTurbo: what do you mean ? |
| 12:01.54 | Seadog | I can't seem to find it |
| 12:02.11 | directhex|work | Seadog, which version of debian? |
| 12:02.26 | MobyTurbo | tibo_: Debian has a security announce mailing list, you need to subscribe to it to know when your system needs to be updated to remain secure. |
| 12:02.29 | Seadog | latest sarge |
| 12:02.45 | Seadog | wait woody |
| 12:02.54 | tibo_ | MobyTurbo: ok, thx |
| 12:02.54 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 12:02.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 12:03.24 | Seadog | meh I dunno lol |
| 12:03.26 | njan | s/Sarge/ubuntu/ |
| 12:03.28 | njan | 0:) |
| 12:03.30 | Seadog | I downloaded the dvd off the website |
| 12:03.34 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support =~ s/etc/modern technology (Bluetooth), etc/ |
| 12:03.34 | dpkg | directhex|work: OK |
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| 12:04.15 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 12:04.15 | ogb | HI :D |
| 12:04.16 | dpkg | i heard woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), modern technology (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 12:04.26 | dravey_ | ngggg |
| 12:04.40 | Rydekull | zion:~# verlihub |
| 12:04.40 | Rydekull | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.44 | Rydekull | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.47 | Rydekull | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.50 | Rydekull | Caught error:Mysql connection error. |
| 12:04.52 | Rydekull | argh |
| 12:04.53 | BadMan | Rude |
| 12:04.54 | Rydekull | Sorry >_< |
| 12:04.57 | BadMan | Rydekull: |
| 12:05.02 | Rydekull | BadMan: ? |
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| 12:05.28 | Seadog | meh I can't even burn a DVD, it gets to 33% tghen stops |
| 12:05.33 | BadMan | use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:05.46 | BadMan | oh so you knwo then hehe |
| 12:05.47 | Rydekull | BadMan: heh, it wasnt even meant to be here :P |
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| 12:06.03 | BadMan | suprised debhelper didnt boot you... |
| 12:06.04 | directhex|work | Seadog, you can burn dvds with woody? i didn't know that was possible |
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| 12:06.15 | tibo_ | MobyTurbo: i have to write some kind of study about debian & updates, im saying that the admin should be check weekly + subscrisbe to security-announce, does it sound right to you ? |
| 12:06.17 | Seadog | meh I'm not sure which vewrsion I have lol |
| 12:06.26 | directhex|work | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:06.27 | Seadog | I downloaded the DVD off the debian website ;) |
| 12:06.30 | directhex|work | also, uname -r |
| 12:07.09 | Rydekull | BadMan: im too nice ;) |
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| 12:07.16 | BadMan | lol |
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| 12:07.36 | clojster | anyone here using Opera? I need an advice |
| 12:07.40 | Seadog | bbl |
| 12:07.44 | BadMan | !polls |
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| 12:07.45 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 12:07.52 | Rydekull | clojster: change to firefox ;) |
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| 12:07.57 | BadMan | !ask |
| 12:07.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 12:08.13 | directhex|work | that is by a long way one of the most irritating things someone can do in here. "help me" "do this." "i'm going, bye" |
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| 12:09.18 | clojster | Rydekull: I have been using Firefox till now, but I think its somehow slow... |
| 12:09.25 | bob2 | bah |
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| 12:09.32 | BadMan | I know directhex byt life dont stop here, like yesterday I had to take kid to school in middle of digging around my "low" fps prob... |
| 12:09.36 | clojster | Rydekull: slow to load atc... |
| 12:09.37 | bob2 | it's been minutes since my mail server became unpingable |
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| 12:12.34 | JRWR | My sound is not working in KDE is says /dev/dsp Permisson Deniand |
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| 12:12.48 | shadukan | 2 questions |
| 12:12.50 | JRWR | even when loged into root |
| 12:13.06 | citral | JRWR: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 12:13.10 | shadukan | 1)I download the vmware in rpm format and i use alien to convert it in deb package |
| 12:13.21 | shadukan | and when i dpkg -i mplmpla.dev |
| 12:13.24 | shadukan | deb |
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| 12:13.29 | JRWR | well i would have to retsart |
| 12:13.37 | JRWR | to do that |
| 12:13.40 | tibo_ | MobyTurbo: no toughts? :) |
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| 12:13.58 | shadukan | it says that install the vmware but when i try to run it says something about a database problem? |
| 12:14.04 | citral | JRWR: restart and join here with xchat, irssi or whatever |
| 12:14.09 | phrenetico | alguien habla español |
| 12:14.15 | phrenetico | alguien habla español??????????????? |
| 12:14.16 | JRWR | idont have internet on debian |
| 12:14.16 | Pappa | !es |
| 12:14.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:14.22 | tibo_ | shadukan: i just run old-config.pl it works fine under sarge |
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| 12:14.30 | JRWR | it does not like m ymodem |
| 12:14.37 | citral | JRWR: winmodem? |
| 12:14.42 | JRWR | unless theres some debs foe winmodems |
| 12:14.47 | tibo_ | s/run /ran |
| 12:14.48 | citral | unlikely |
| 12:14.49 | JRWR | and Netzero |
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| 12:15.25 | JRWR | dam well its time to go to school |
| 12:15.36 | citral | JRWR: then note that: do ls -l /dev/dsp, look where it points (probably /dev/dsp0) and then "man chmod" to change the perms |
| 12:15.50 | JRWR | ill be back at 3:00Pm CST |
| 12:15.51 | JRWR | ok |
| 12:15.56 | directhex|work | shadukan, download it in .tar.gz format, extract to /tmp, run the installer & put it in /usr/local or /opt/vmware/ |
| 12:16.00 | JRWR | i know how to chmod |
| 12:16.08 | JRWR | ill do a 777 |
| 12:16.11 | JRWR | or 755? |
| 12:16.36 | citral | JRWR: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Dec 6 22:18 /dev/dsp0 |
| 12:16.41 | citral | should look like that |
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| 12:18.12 | directhex|work | adduser foobar audio |
| 12:18.25 | shadukan | thanks dir... |
| 12:18.31 | shadukan | saludos amigos from Greece |
| 12:19.43 | netbrain | what is i2c? |
| 12:19.48 | Pappa | JRWR: 666 |
| 12:19.57 | citral | 666 is evil |
| 12:20.08 | Pappa | meh |
| 12:20.40 | Pappa | how can i specify a different file for X to use? (instead of xorg.conf) |
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| 12:21.07 | jm_ | doesn't x.org allow for user config files like XFree86 did way back in time? |
| 12:21.10 | bob2 | by reading the man page |
| 12:21.20 | Pappa | i read the samn man page |
| 12:21.22 | Pappa | damn* |
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| 12:22.06 | netbrain | isnt i2c firewire? |
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| 12:22.15 | Pappa | i2c is temperature monitoring |
| 12:22.22 | Pappa | or sensors monitoring, rather |
| 12:22.29 | citral | blah |
| 12:22.34 | lestest | hi there ... is it possible to make a network boot without pxe? |
| 12:22.36 | Pappa | like fan speed, cpu temperature etc |
| 12:22.40 | netbrain | you know where in the kernel menuconfig i can find that`? |
| 12:22.48 | jm_ | netbrain: yes |
| 12:22.49 | Pappa | device drivers |
| 12:22.55 | netbrain | kernel compilation keeps failing on that |
| 12:23.07 | jcook | i2c ... in char drivers ? |
| 12:23.23 | Pappa | well they are char devices |
| 12:23.24 | Pappa | :p |
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| 12:24.20 | netbrain | Pappa: thanks.. found it :D |
| 12:24.26 | Pappa | jcook: noo.. they're in Device Drivers->i2c |
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| 12:24.44 | citral | i2c is only a bus... |
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| 12:25.43 | etu | ls |
| 12:26.03 | manchot | to use mplayer plugins to play various file formats, what source name shall I add? |
| 12:26.06 | etu | where can i have old debian packages please ? |
| 12:26.18 | jm_ | etu: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 12:26.20 | bob2 | etu: snapshot.debian.net |
| 12:26.31 | etu | bob2, thanks |
| 12:26.32 | bob2 | manchot: hrm? the mplayer packages play just about everything on earth. |
| 12:26.36 | etu | jm_, thanks |
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| 12:27.04 | llama32 | blehh ~100mb free HD :/ |
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| 12:27.55 | directhex|work | don't forget w32codecs |
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| 12:34.33 | jcook | anyone know when kde3.4 might make it into testing? |
| 12:34.45 | sussudio | jcook: i'm guessing after sarge's release. |
| 12:34.50 | manchot | bob2: ERROR: Could not open required DirectShow codec wmv9dmod.dll. |
| 12:34.52 | manchot | You need to upgrade/install the binary codecs package. |
| 12:34.55 | sussudio | jcook: 2007 or something |
| 12:35.00 | jcook | ssb: heh |
| 12:35.00 | netbrain | hm. why am i getting ssh connection refused? im running testing. |
| 12:35.06 | jcook | sussudio: is testing in lockdown? |
| 12:35.09 | directhex|work | manchot, you already installed w32codecs then? |
| 12:35.11 | manchot | bob2: so I think I should add something like non-free. |
| 12:35.14 | sussudio | jcook: it's been frozen for a while now. |
| 12:35.17 | bob2_ | manchot: no way |
| 12:35.26 | bob2_ | w32codecs is too non-Free for non-free |
| 12:35.31 | jcook | sussudio: ive been under a rock for a while |
| 12:35.34 | bob2_ | no one on earth can legally distribute it |
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| 12:35.45 | sussudio | bob2_: the mplayer homepage is closed down even for patent infringement shit. |
| 12:35.49 | bob2_ | jcook: #debian-kde might know |
| 12:35.51 | directhex|work | omly hackers, code-crackers & SLACKERS |
| 12:35.56 | Liz | oops |
| 12:36.01 | directhex|work | sussudio, no, it's not, it's a protest page |
| 12:36.01 | Liz | wrong room |
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| 12:36.05 | bob2_ | manchot: you can get it from marillat's site, tho |
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| 12:36.09 | sussudio | directhex|work: badger |
| 12:36.15 | bob2_ | manchot: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 12:36.24 | tibo_ | hi again |
| 12:36.37 | manchot | directhex|work: I found avifile-win32-plugin, is this the one? |
| 12:36.43 | manchot | directhex|work: what sources extensions do you use? |
| 12:36.55 | etu | jm_, bob2 : i only see .tar.gz and .dsc in snapshot.debian.org. Where are .deb files ? |
| 12:36.57 | tibo_ | i wonder if some tools exists for apt/dpkg to maintain several debian boxes? |
| 12:36.58 | bob2_ | manchot: it's not in Debian |
| 12:37.00 | directhex|work | manchot, NO IT ISN'T. christ almighty you're working very hard to make this hard |
| 12:37.04 | bob2_ | etu: they are there |
| 12:37.09 | bob2_ | manchot: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 12:37.09 | directhex|work | manchot, how did you install mplayer in the first place? |
| 12:37.15 | jetscreamer | etu under pool |
| 12:37.17 | directhex|work | !tell manchot about marillat |
| 12:37.19 | bob2_ | manchot: usse that apt source. get w32codecs. |
| 12:37.28 | tibo_ | i wonder if some tools exists for apt/dpkg to maintain several debian boxes? or do you have to run manually apt on each computers to maintain it? |
| 12:37.37 | takatumi | and the show goes on! |
| 12:37.43 | manchot | directhex|work: I got it now. |
| 12:37.45 | jetscreamer | cron-apt |
| 12:37.45 | bob2_ | tibo_: there are tools...like dsh and pkgsync |
| 12:37.51 | bob2_ | I'd still use apt, tho |
| 12:38.01 | takatumi | jetscreamer: really? |
| 12:38.08 | tibo_ | bob2_: why? |
| 12:38.25 | bob2_ | tibo_: paranoid |
| 12:38.30 | tibo_ | bob2_: :) |
| 12:38.34 | jetscreamer | yeah it's close |
| 12:38.58 | takatumi | jetscreamer: haven't tried it, but doesn't sound like a good solution. |
| 12:39.06 | etu | jm_, bob2 : http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/f/flashplugin-nonfree/binary-i386/ |
| 12:39.34 | jetscreamer | it keeps you from having to d/l the updates at least, and might do more if you tell it to |
| 12:39.40 | directhex|work | !wayttd etu |
| 12:39.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, etu? |
| 12:40.09 | takatumi | jetscreamer: I would say debmirror or similar. |
| 12:40.27 | bob2_ | etu: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2004/07/17/debian/pool/main/c/coreutils/, for instance |
| 12:40.30 | etu | directhex, i'm trying to get an old .deb package ... on snapshot site |
| 12:41.19 | directhex|work | etu, for flashplugin-nonfree? what purpose would an old package serve, exactly? |
| 12:41.25 | etu | bob2, ok. I was trying to search thro the web site. I'm trying now direct link, it seems to work better. |
| 12:41.31 | etu | directhex, errrmm |
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| 12:42.20 | mops | how can I compile mozilla with debug support? |
| 12:42.36 | takatumi | !mozilla |
| 12:42.36 | dpkg | i guess mozilla is a web browser, see http://www.mozilla.org/, or make sure to set dpi to 96 to not have unreadable fonts |
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| 12:42.55 | mops | I have sources configured, but I don't know which option to use to enable debug support |
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| 12:43.21 | directhex|work | etu, flash is the example you gave, but the flashplugin-nonfree package does not contain the flash plugin, it contains a script to download the latest version of flash from macromedia's website |
| 12:43.33 | bob2 | mops: #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org |
| 12:43.39 | mops | thx |
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| 12:44.10 | takatumi | dpkg: mozilla is also #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org |
| 12:44.10 | dpkg | takatumi: okay |
| 12:44.57 | takatumi | its all messed up now. (that factoid, needs tweaking.) |
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| 12:46.10 | etu | directhex, i know that |
| 12:46.23 | jm_ | takatumi: that's why you use =~ s/// to modify it |
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| 12:47.06 | guorke | :) |
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| 12:47.47 | netbrain | could anyone take a look at this? http://pastebin.com/265138 <-- kernel failure |
| 12:47.54 | bob2 | I'm probably goigng to regret watching Cube as I go to sleep |
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| 12:48.52 | takatumi | dpkg: mozilla =~ s# #mo/Or try #mo# |
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| 12:49.09 | jm_ | netbrain: that doesn't make sense to me |
| 12:49.12 | blubba | When im in a dir how can i see in which dir im |
| 12:49.15 | bob2 | netbrain: that's not a "kernel failure" |
| 12:49.23 | bob2 | blubba: pwd |
| 12:49.38 | netbrain | compiling failure |
| 12:49.46 | blubba | bob2: thanks and sorry for this stupd question ;) |
| 12:49.55 | bob2 | that's not a compilation problem |
| 12:49.57 | bob2 | whatever it is |
| 12:49.59 | bob2 | blubba: np |
| 12:50.28 | takatumi | dpkg: mozilla =~ s" #mo/Or try #mo" |
| 12:50.38 | spo0nman | hmm what are the options i need to pass the kernel to enable apm? i get error No APM support in kernel. |
| 12:50.43 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:50.46 | netbrain | why does it just print that code snip out instead of running it when make-kpkg kernel_image comes to the step make-kpkg modules |
| 12:50.49 | netbrain | ? |
| 12:50.58 | bob2 | spo0nman: use a Debian kernel. modprobe apm. enjoy! |
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| 12:51.48 | blackisha | hey what command should I use for checking a HDD for erroras |
| 12:51.53 | spo0nman | bob2 error inserting apm No such file.... this is the stack kernel. |
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| 12:52.01 | robewald | hi |
| 12:52.02 | directhex|work | spo0nman, uname -r |
| 12:52.21 | jm_ | blackisha: badblocks |
| 12:52.26 | jm_ | takatumi: verify it now |
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| 12:52.52 | spo0nman | 2.6.8.1-3-386 |
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| 12:52.57 | jm_ | hmm someone changed it back in the mean time |
| 12:53.02 | takatumi | jm_: excellent. :) |
| 12:53.08 | bob2 | spo0nman: that has the apm module |
| 12:53.17 | directhex|work | spo0nman, that's not a debian kernel. |
| 12:53.38 | spo0nman | apt-cache search shows up headers and sources. |
| 12:53.38 | christor | Please , I have a strange things, I have a partition at 109%? Is someone can explain me why? |
| 12:53.43 | jm_ | ahh no, it seems it's a factoid with several values |
| 12:53.47 | spo0nman | and image too. |
| 12:53.49 | robewald | how can i detect at boot time whether a second monitor is present on my laptop, read-edid fails, but X does read the edid so it is available |
| 12:53.57 | directhex|work | spo0nman, ubuntu? |
| 12:54.17 | spo0nman | directhex: yes. now tell me ubuntu is not debian... |
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| 12:54.24 | takatumi | jm_: that too. |
| 12:54.25 | MobyTurbo | !debian based |
| 12:54.25 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 12:54.28 | directhex|work | spo0nman, ubuntu is not debian. |
| 12:54.36 | billyoc | alt-tab and alt-F1 just stopped working on me after a dist-upgrade, anyone know where thost settings live? |
| 12:54.53 | takatumi | spo0nman: if it were debian it would be called debian. |
| 12:54.58 | spo0nman | bitch, i knew i'll get screwd. |
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| 12:55.00 | directhex|work | debian doesn't have mozilla-firefox-1.0pr-no-wait-lets-use-0.93-instead-at-the-last-minute, for example |
| 12:55.01 | MobyTurbo | spo0nman: /j #ubuntu |
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| 12:55.12 | bob2 | spo0nman: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko |
| 12:55.14 | proc | hi |
| 12:56.05 | spo0nman | bob2: the file is there... but i get the error. |
| 12:56.09 | proc | is xlibmesa-gl that softwaremesa-stuff? |
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| 12:56.20 | takatumi | jm_: I would like to know what was the =~ s//// command that you used. |
| 12:56.23 | bob2 | spo0nman: show us the exact error |
| 12:56.28 | MobyTurbo | spo0nman: it could be that your kernel is loading ACPI and therefore refuses to load APM. Of course, since nobody here is running your kernel unless they run ubuntu I don't know if that's the case |
| 12:56.38 | directhex|work | proc, i think it might cover some DRI stuff too (r200 accelerated 3d) |
| 12:56.41 | jm_ | takatumi: exactly that -- mozilla =~ s/ #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org/ You can find developers on irc.mozilla.org, channel #mozilla./ |
| 12:56.48 | robewald | basically, what i want to do is write a script that detects an external monitor and configures xinerama accordingly, maybe someone has a link |
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| 12:57.01 | bob2 | blubba: Debian and Ubuntu |
| 12:57.02 | spo0nman | directhex|work: iv been using debian for the last 8 years. I just put ubuntu on the lappie because it was easy. |
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| 12:57.22 | directhex|work | spo0nman, easy being "i didn't have to type apt-get install x-window-system gnome" |
| 12:57.30 | proc | directhex: I'm afraid it conflicts with the dri stuff from the kernel, because it got initialized well but I am still using software-rendering |
| 12:57.32 | blubba | bob2: i dont know ubuntu is it good for newbies ? |
| 12:57.33 | takatumi | jm_: thought spaces and # would mess up the /, heard # is better. |
| 12:57.33 | directhex|work | that doesn't seem a very big step personally, but i'm a cynic |
| 12:57.38 | spo0nman | directhex|work: didnt have network at the time i got the lappie and then didnt find time later. |
| 12:57.39 | bob2 | blubba: yes |
| 12:57.44 | bob2 | blubba: ubuntulinux.org |
| 12:57.46 | proc | directhex: and I can't deinstall it, because xbase-clients needs it |
| 12:57.53 | takatumi | didn't work though. |
| 12:57.56 | directhex|work | proc, so why uninstall it? |
| 12:58.04 | jm_ | takatumi: no, you can use any character instead of /, so if the search text or replacement text uses /, you use something else |
| 12:58.13 | proc | directhex: because I want hardware-acceleration, not software |
| 12:58.15 | bob2 | spo0nman: show us the exact error from modprobe |
| 12:58.16 | takatumi | jm_: ah, cool. |
| 12:58.20 | directhex|work | proc, what card? |
| 12:58.20 | spo0nman | bob2 FATAL: Error inserting module /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko : No such device |
| 12:58.21 | bob2 | this is pretty critical |
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| 12:58.38 | bob2 | spo0nman: so, that's not what you said before |
| 12:58.42 | proc | directhex: radeon 9200, worked fine last installation |
| 12:58.48 | robewald | proc: have you added dri to your XFConfig? |
| 12:58.50 | proc | directhex: I just have to get rid of the software-rendering stuff |
| 12:58.54 | proc | robewald: yes |
| 12:58.55 | bob2 | spo0nman: that error means, as directhex|work suggested, that you have acpi loaded first |
| 12:58.57 | jm_ | takatumi: but you need to use it exactly three times - you only used it twice, and once it was " (and there was another wrong example too) |
| 12:59.02 | bob2 | spo0nman: or that your hardware doesn't do APM |
| 12:59.04 | directhex|work | i don;t think i suggested that |
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| 12:59.09 | MobyTurbo | spo0nman: check out dmesg, if your kernel is like my kernel it's acpi being loaded. |
| 12:59.13 | takatumi | jm_: ah, ok. |
| 12:59.13 | proc | http://nopaste.php-q.net/124962 the log |
| 12:59.18 | proc | http://nopaste.php-q.net/124963 here's the XF86Config |
| 12:59.39 | proc | http://rafb.net/paste/results/fJOaUR93.html maybe that's the problem |
| 12:59.56 | MobyTurbo | (this is why I don't like hardware auto detection, if it doesn't work properly sometimes you're screwed.) |
| 12:59.56 | bob2 | spo0nman: most likely acpi |
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| 13:00.10 | blubba | bob2: is it easy to install = |
| 13:00.28 | fanti | hey, i've a little shell script which should be executed at system boot. how / where do i install it? |
| 13:00.29 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: disabling stuff is pretty easy.../etc/hotplug/blacklist them |
| 13:00.31 | spoonman2 | bob2: how do i check for acpi? |
| 13:00.32 | bob2 | blubba: yeah |
| 13:00.43 | bob2 | spoonman2: lsmod | grep power |
| 13:00.49 | bob2 | fanti: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 13:00.54 | robewald | proc: are you using xinerama? |
| 13:01.02 | proc | robewald: I don't think so |
| 13:01.07 | proc | why? |
| 13:01.20 | spoonman2 | bob2: cpufreq_powersave 2048 0 |
| 13:01.22 | directhex|work | !blacklist |
| 13:01.22 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 13:01.26 | robewald | proc: dri and xinerama don't work together |
| 13:01.45 | directhex|work | dri also doesn't work on :1 or higher x servers |
| 13:02.00 | proc | can it be the symlinks? |
| 13:02.11 | directhex|work | you in the 'video' group? |
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| 13:02.21 | proc | shouldn't I get SIGPERM then? |
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| 13:02.22 | directhex|work | what is the full output of glxinfo |
| 13:02.26 | spoonman2 | stupid xchat, |
| 13:02.27 | proc | wait |
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| 13:02.54 | bob2 | spoonman2: maybe lsmod | grep thermal |
| 13:03.10 | bob2 | spoonman2: or dmesg | grep -i acpi |
| 13:03.14 | proc | directhex: http://nopaste.php-q.net/124966 |
| 13:03.35 | MobyTurbo | bob2: none of those work for me on my Debian 2.6 kernel even though I have the same problem as him. |
| 13:03.35 | spoonman2 | bob2: thermal 13200 0 processor 17712 1 thermal |
| 13:03.57 | bob2 | spoonman2: acpi it is |
| 13:04.10 | bob2 | noacpi as a boot option might help |
| 13:04.14 | bob2 | or is it acpi=off |
| 13:04.16 | bob2 | I forget |
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| 13:04.35 | spoonman2 | bob2: hmm I anyways wanted to try suspend to disk (: |
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| 13:04.51 | spoonman2 | now for tools, where to look for acpi toold? |
| 13:05.05 | bob2 | acpi suspend-to-disk probably won't work |
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| 13:05.14 | bob2 | swsusp probably will |
| 13:05.21 | takatumi | bob2: have also seen the acpi=noacpi version, ain't sure which one is right. |
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| 13:05.59 | directhex|work | proc, i can't see anything obvious, your log & config mirror my own. |
| 13:06.27 | proc | directhex: then could it be the symlinks? |
| 13:06.36 | jm_ | there is no SIGPERM :) |
| 13:06.43 | proc | directhex: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fJOaUR93.html |
| 13:06.50 | proc | are those xlibmesa-gl-stuff? |
| 13:07.15 | directhex|work | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2005-03-30 15:18 libGL.so -> libGL.so.1.2 |
| 13:07.35 | directhex|work | hang on, not looking in /usr/lib |
| 13:08.01 | robewald | proc: i have added a cipid string the the device section |
| 13:08.10 | einsteinmg | why does /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server check if there any entrys in /etc/exports? |
| 13:08.17 | directhex|work | proc, hold on, you have bits missing! |
| 13:08.19 | spoonman2 | bob2: whats the package for swsusp? |
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| 13:08.31 | proc | robewald: I used this config in my old installation, worked there |
| 13:08.46 | bob2 | spoonman2: it's not a package, it's a kernel thing |
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| 13:08.55 | bob2 | spoonman2: if you're using hoary, you already have it |
| 13:09.03 | bob2 | spoonman2: warty, wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting |
| 13:09.14 | einsteinmg | i'd like to add a few exports with exportfs but /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server does not start the server if there are no exports in /etc/exports? |
| 13:09.18 | einsteinmg | whats the best solution? |
| 13:09.19 | spoonman2 | bob2: thanks (: |
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| 13:09.38 | directhex|work | proc, no, hang on, my mistake, what i have extra are supplied by -dev packages |
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| 13:09.43 | robewald | proc: mmh, i am using dri with a radeon 9200 mobility and had to install the xlibmesa-gl stuff |
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| 13:09.54 | robewald | proc: it works for me (TM) |
| 13:09.57 | proc | robewald: indeed, because xbase-clients needs it |
| 13:10.06 | jm_ | einsteinmg: edit exports file? |
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| 13:10.38 | robewald | proc: I guess you have the kernel module loaded? |
| 13:10.49 | proc | robewald: yeah, of course |
| 13:11.12 | einsteinmg | jm_: this are only temporary exports and i don't want to mess with users config from other packages |
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| 13:11.32 | jm_ | einsteinmg: what do other packages have to do with this? |
| 13:11.33 | cbr | i installed sarge but not the boot loader.. i'm trying to use my current grub which is in mbr. the boot part is /dev/hda1.. the sarge root partition is reiserfs on /dev/hda4. i update grub's config but upon booting the kernel gives me a kernel panic and says that cant mount "hda4" or smth and i should check the "root=" boot flag.. what could be wrong? |
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| 13:12.18 | takatumi | cbr: initrd? |
| 13:12.23 | cbr | i dont use it |
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| 13:12.30 | cbr | should i? |
| 13:12.36 | blubba | bob2: do u work with openftpd ? |
| 13:12.40 | BadMan | what exactly do pciehp & shpchp modules belong to? |
| 13:13.00 | MobyTurbo | cbr: the Sarge kernel requires initrd |
| 13:13.11 | cbr | so i have to put that into the grub config? |
| 13:13.13 | takatumi | cbr: uname -r |
| 13:13.20 | MobyTurbo | cbr: yes |
| 13:13.21 | cbr | i'm not in debian atm |
| 13:13.29 | robewald | proc: i don't know, but maybe randr is guilty? |
| 13:13.31 | jm_ | cbr: you have to do whatever you were told to do when you installed the kernel |
| 13:13.32 | ir0n | hello...is this a woody or sarge http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-cd/images/3.0_r3/i386/ ? |
| 13:13.35 | proc | robewald: ? |
| 13:13.41 | proc | directhex: you are confusing me, what did you mean? |
| 13:13.45 | einsteinmg | jm_: the question is why /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start doesn't start the nfs server if there are no /etc/exports? and returns with 0!! |
| 13:13.46 | BadMan | ir0n: looks like woody |
| 13:13.55 | ir0n | where is sarge |
| 13:14.10 | MobyTurbo | !tell ir0n about d-i |
| 13:14.17 | directhex|work | ir0n, that's an old version of woody you just linked to |
| 13:14.18 | cbr | can anybody copy me the grub initrd line? |
| 13:14.27 | BadMan | ir0n: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:14.29 | robewald | proc: it seems you have randr enabled, if you don't need it disable it |
| 13:14.44 | ir0n | BadMan this is the stable one right |
| 13:14.45 | directhex|work | proc, i thought you were missing some stuff, but it's in dev packages & therefore isn't needed |
| 13:14.45 | Pappa | when i rol my mouse cursor over my third monitor, which is at :0.3, my mouse cursor goes back to :0.0 |
| 13:14.47 | Pappa | roll* |
| 13:14.50 | Pappa | is that a bug? |
| 13:14.59 | Pappa | they're all "RightOF" |
| 13:15.02 | BadMan | ir0n: woody is stable, sarge is testing |
| 13:15.14 | proc | directhex: I see |
| 13:15.32 | BadMan | sid is unstable? |
| 13:15.41 | BadMan | do yourself and all other a favor get sarge |
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| 13:15.46 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: right |
| 13:15.53 | Pappa | d-i |
| 13:15.54 | einsteinmg | jm_: /etc/exports is not the only place to put exports in, common behaviour imho is also to start the nfs server and put exports in with exportfs from db or ldap |
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| 13:16.13 | proc | well |
| 13:16.16 | Humbe | What's the binary for checking that a package generated is oki? |
| 13:16.20 | ir0n | <BadMan> ir0n: woody is stable, sarge is testing <--- some guys told me that sarge is the stable ! |
| 13:16.22 | cbr | kernel (hd0,0)/debiaan root=/dev/hda4 |
| 13:16.23 | cbr | initrd=(hd0,0)/initrd-debian |
| 13:16.26 | proc | I've got to go now, I'll try it again in the evening |
| 13:16.27 | cbr | so this would be ok? |
| 13:16.31 | proc | directhex, robewald, thank you |
| 13:16.42 | ir0n | wth what should i download now i want a stable new one to use it as a server |
| 13:16.43 | BadMan | ir0n: not that we have heard but its pretty reliable 8-) |
| 13:16.47 | directhex|work | ir0n, you were misinformed, sarge hasn't been released yet, and what you linked to isn't even a recent version of woody |
| 13:17.12 | BadMan | woody was froze at 3.0r4 correct? |
| 13:17.13 | jm_ | einsteinmg: and what would nfs server do if there are no exports? it's the same on Solaris - it won't start it |
| 13:17.14 | MobyTurbo | cbr: that's not the default initrd name |
| 13:17.36 | cbr | i know |
| 13:17.38 | cbr | i renamed it |
| 13:17.39 | ir0n | ok whats ur opinions ppls to use it as a server but need new packages ? |
| 13:17.41 | cbr | to be easier to write |
| 13:17.48 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: r4 is just more security backported patches, woody was frozen in 2002 |
| 13:17.50 | ir0n | wich one should i use |
| 13:17.53 | takatumi | cbr: look at the last part for the default set up. http://gpoppy.org/menu.lst |
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| 13:18.24 | BadMan | MobyTurbo: I understand the freeze date,b ut that last release was 3.0r4? |
| 13:18.34 | directhex|work | ir0n, woody doesn't have new packages, but is secure. sarge doesn't get security updates yet. your call really |
| 13:18.34 | ir0n | i am waiting the opinions |
| 13:18.38 | directhex|work | BadMan, yes. |
| 13:18.41 | BadMan | ok |
| 13:18.41 | directhex|work | !opinions |
| 13:18.41 | dpkg | opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public |
| 13:18.43 | MobyTurbo | ir0n: if your needs can be satisfied by backports.org or other alternative repositories for woody if it's a production system you might want to run woody |
| 13:18.43 | darxeth | i've downloaded bittorrent from bittorrent.com as .deb file, now how can i install it? |
| 13:18.59 | directhex|work | darxeth, you a fedora user? |
| 13:19.00 | ir0n | hahahahah directhex|work |
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| 13:19.10 | fanti | darxeth: dpkg -i <file>.deb |
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| 13:19.38 | darxeth | directhex|work: actually i'm a windows x user :> |
| 13:19.38 | hdo781 | What does AFAIK stand for? |
| 13:19.38 | directhex|work | darxeth, in debian land, people use apt to install packages, not download 50,000 diffrent packages & install them in the correct order by hand |
| 13:19.44 | einsteinmg | jm_: ok thx |
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| 13:19.48 | directhex|work | !afaik |
| 13:19.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
| 13:19.54 | BadMan | AFAIK as far as i know |
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| 13:20.01 | hdo781 | Thanks all. |
| 13:20.29 | BadMan | IIRC AFAIK IMHO is as far as i know |
| 13:20.36 | ir0n | i want to use it as a server with vhcs and more things |
| 13:20.36 | BadMan | really get him going now haha |
| 13:20.50 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: BTW there are more |
| 13:21.08 | BadMan | yeah.. just wanted a small line of them |
| 13:21.20 | darxeth | directhex|work: i thought apt only for downloading packaged and installing them (with -install) but what if i wanted to install something which's not exist in the package at all? |
| 13:21.20 | hdo781 | I'm reading the Slashdot article that said Debian had the lowest voter turnout for the Debian leader. Should I move to Ubuntu now? |
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| 13:21.33 | proc | lol |
| 13:21.40 | directhex|work | darxeth, then you can use dpkg -i, but there are about 10 bittorrent clients in debian |
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| 13:22.00 | MobyTurbo | hdo781: the voting's not over yet, people are probably just waiting until the last minute. |
| 13:22.10 | directhex|work | plus, only developers can vote |
| 13:22.12 | Pappa | plus the original one is actually really good, i like the curses mode |
| 13:22.13 | BadMan | MobyTurbo: vote? where? what? |
| 13:22.14 | MobyTurbo | hdo781: as usual, /. prints FUD |
| 13:22.15 | directhex|work | and they're busy adding bugs to sarge |
| 13:22.25 | proc | "bsd is dead" |
| 13:22.30 | LaVey|Work | lo all |
| 13:22.35 | directhex|work | netcraft confirms it! |
| 13:22.35 | hdo781 | Thank god. I love Debian. |
| 13:22.36 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: don't worry about it unless you're a Debian developer |
| 13:22.49 | BadMan | MobyTurbo: ahh, ok |
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| 13:23.35 | LaVey|Work | quick question.. is debain noob freindly ;) |
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| 13:23.44 | darxeth | directhex|work: thanks. i know there're alot of packages and bittorrent packages that i can install them by apt, but regarding a person like me i prefere doing it several different times just for the sake of learning the OS better, since i still call myself a windows user because i think i still have no grasp on linux, but with assistance and persistance i will be able to handle it bymyself :P) |
| 13:23.46 | LaVey|Work | debian* |
| 13:23.48 | directhex|work | depends whether said noob can learn |
| 13:23.48 | LaVey|Work | lol |
| 13:23.55 | directhex|work | it's not idiot friendly |
| 13:23.58 | tarzeau | quitte: yes i am here |
| 13:23.58 | LaVey|Work | have used slackware for a while |
| 13:24.12 | quitte | tarzeau: yay. mind if i msg you? |
| 13:24.20 | LaVey|Work | fancied a change |
| 13:24.22 | directhex|work | darxeth, "apt-cache search bittorrent client" |
| 13:24.27 | tarzeau | quitte: is it so secret? no i don't mind |
| 13:24.33 | directhex|work | !d-i LaVey|Work |
| 13:24.34 | BadMan | LaVey|Work: I can say from personal experience that is has been a little troublesome, from stuck on windows for a few years to jumping back in the saddle, but worth the effort |
| 13:24.34 | dpkg | LaVey|Work, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:25.09 | Steven_ | anyone here got a dell latitutde D610 working with debian ? |
| 13:25.16 | Steven_ | -t |
| 13:25.22 | directhex|work | Steven_, buy me one, and i'll try! |
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| 13:25.34 | Steven_ | directhex|work : I will !!!!1 |
| 13:25.36 | MobyTurbo | LaVey|Work: Debian is admin-friendly, which is different than user-friendly. It doesn't make things that don't need to be easy easy, but things that do need to be easier it makes them easier. Debconf for example. |
| 13:26.00 | LaVey|Work | was using slack for mainly wireless stuff |
| 13:26.05 | billyoc | bofh-friendly |
| 13:26.12 | LaVey|Work | so looking at pulling in kismet, ethereal etc |
| 13:26.14 | ir0n | whos using vhcs with debian ?? |
| 13:26.20 | directhex|work | LaVey|Work, for a random example, if you wanted (for example) perl bindings for The Gimp, in debian you apt-get install libgimp-perl, in fedora you cry |
| 13:26.25 | darxeth | directhex|work: should i install one of the listed clients? |
| 13:26.33 | MobyTurbo | !poll |
| 13:26.33 | dpkg | You wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me! |
| 13:26.39 | darxeth | (apt-get -install ...) |
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| 13:27.03 | directhex|work | darxeth, if you like. i'm using bittornado on my home pc via SSH right now |
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| 13:27.25 | BadMan | Steven_: google for: Dell D610 Debian |
| 13:27.26 | MobyTurbo | darxeth: no "-" is neccesary for the basic commands |
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| 13:27.38 | BadMan | bbiaf gotta get kid to school |
| 13:27.43 | darxeth | directhex|work: cool, i'm using BitCommet in my windows database :> |
| 13:27.45 | MobyTurbo | darxeth: though options begin with -- |
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| 13:28.01 | darxeth | MobyTurbo: yeah.. thanks |
| 13:28.06 | fanti | hmm i need some help with update-rc.d. i want to add a single shell script to the init process that should execute the script at bootup. i copied the script to /etc/init.d/fglrx-mtrr-fix.sh . how do i say to update.rc.d to execute this at bootup? and at which runlevel should it started? it just contains a single line: "echo "base=0xe8000000 size=0x8000000 type=write-combining" >| /proc/mtrr" ? |
| 13:28.14 | MobyTurbo | darxeth: np |
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| 13:28.53 | skreet | No one know #ubuntu could answer my question so maybe someone here can: I was logged into my server making a new user account, logged in as skreet, su'd and then I did login to test the account (gymnos). Exited all my shells, re-ssh'd and gymnos is still logged in, from no ip address, and if I try to kill his process it says process not found, but I cant do userdel because he's "logged in" ... Any ideas? |
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| 13:30.04 | MobyTurbo | skreet: if nobody can answer questions dealing with your distro perhaps you should find another distro |
| 13:30.18 | MobyTurbo | skreet: like Debian |
| 13:30.18 | MobyTurbo | !ubuntu |
| 13:30.18 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 13:30.23 | sussudio | skreet: no support for ubuntu here. |
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| 13:30.37 | skreet | It's a general linux question. |
| 13:30.40 | sussudio | NEIN |
| 13:30.45 | skreet | It applies to ALL distrobutions any ANY user of SSH |
| 13:30.51 | sussudio | !stab skreet |
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| 13:30.55 | skreet | but thanks for being assholes. |
| 13:30.55 | MobyTurbo | skreet: then go to ##linux, a general Linux channel |
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| 13:32.01 | jbAU | lol - if only he didn't mention ubuntu... :) |
| 13:32.11 | billyoc | hehe |
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| 13:33.02 | directhex|work | jbAU, you have no idea how much angrier that makes people who try to help for an extended period, not realising it's a nondeb problem |
| 13:33.03 | darxeth | MobyTurbo: what about adding a user in the console? i want to change the password for my root.. i forget the syntax |
| 13:33.21 | directhex|work | see the time i spent an hour wasting with someone on knoppix who wanted alsa (knoppix hardware detection was the problem) |
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| 13:33.44 | MobyTurbo | darxeth: useradd foo, add -m if you want to populate a directory for it. |
| 13:34.15 | darxeth | dammit, i typed usradd |
| 13:34.45 | MobyTurbo | darxeth: Unix spelling. ;-) |
| 13:34.58 | darxeth | yup.. heh :> |
| 13:35.23 | darxeth | i finding a hardtime working with linux |
| 13:35.27 | darxeth | +am |
| 13:35.42 | darxeth | i hope it get slimmer with time |
| 13:36.06 | Vegar | the libgtk2.0-dev package(sid) seems to install everything to /usr/include/gtk-2.0/, which is pointless |
| 13:36.08 | MobyTurbo | darxeth: as long as you're willing to learn you'll eventually get the hang of it. |
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| 13:36.49 | darxeth | hope so |
| 13:37.03 | MobyTurbo | bbiab |
| 13:37.15 | darxeth | are you sure its useradd? because it tells me command not found... |
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| 13:37.57 | henrik | I have built xorg from source on my debian based distro, it installed just fine, but my problem now is that when I try to apt-get some opengl stuff they depend on xserver-xorg and I obviously havent installed that packade so apt-get complains. Is it possible to tell apt-get that it is no worries about this, or better yet, have it believe that it is installed? |
| 13:38.08 | zinx | darxeth: do you have /usr/sbin in your path? |
| 13:38.14 | zinx | darxeth: which distribution are you using? |
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| 13:38.48 | kaner | henrik: you need to build a deb package if you want dpkg to know |
| 13:38.48 | darxeth | zim: debian of-course |
| 13:38.55 | kaner | henrik: afaik |
| 13:39.08 | zinx | darxeth: you have to be root (and, root has /usr/sbin in the path, so the command will be found) |
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| 13:39.30 | darxeth | zim: ah.. so -su -c '...' |
| 13:39.33 | yoninu1 | hello, i got troubles with mysql... it stop working suddeny, when i restart it is not good, where should i look ? |
| 13:39.35 | yoninu1 | #2002 - Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 13:40.19 | toresbe | hmmm... |
| 13:40.36 | toresbe | Scott Joplin's works from the early 1900s and late 1800s are now in public domain, right? |
| 13:40.40 | henrik | kaner: hmm... maybe the simplest way is to use ubuntu repositories which have xserver-xorg available, debian haven't |
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| 13:41.42 | jhares | i install java1.5.bin into /usr/local/jdk1.5 and jre1.5 and setting JAVA_HOME in .bashrc but not working? |
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| 13:42.08 | directhex|work | jhares, make a debian java package. |
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| 13:42.56 | jm_ | jhares: and also /msg dpkg bashrc |
| 13:43.01 | darxeth | zim: i want to change my root password, adduser tells me user root exists.. whats the command to change the root password? |
| 13:43.10 | directhex|work | passwd |
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| 13:44.16 | darxeth | zim: oh ok.. i found it :P) |
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| 13:44.33 | directhex|work | !java-package |
| 13:44.33 | dpkg | i heard java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. |
| 13:44.34 | kaner | henrik: you are not gonna see me giving you that advice ;) |
| 13:44.58 | henrik | kaner: ok :-) |
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| 13:48.51 | man_in_shack | i'm trying to apt-get update from ftp.au.debian.org, but i keep on getting "Bad header line" from the Sources file |
| 13:49.00 | man_in_shack | anyone know what's wrong? |
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| 13:51.39 | giansalvo | I'm trying to print via smb to a printer ("Tally T9312") connected to a windows box (gutemberg). The command lpadmin -p printer -v smb://gutemberg/Tally\ T9312 gives me the error "add-printer failed: client-error-not-possible" |
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| 13:51.52 | giansalvo | any idea? |
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| 13:52.18 | pingouin_ | lol |
| 13:52.30 | man_in_shack | i'm more worried about "Bad header line" from the apt mirror |
| 13:53.35 | Loof | Heya, I've got a client that is about to get a new server... I was hoping there'd be a new 'stable' release before they got it, but it doesn't look like that will be the case. What's the current recommended approach to a new server that's going to be in the hands of a company without an IT dept... Basically, their technical abilities go as far as switching tapes on their backup, etc. |
| 13:53.44 | jm_ | giansalvo: did you read CUPS docs? |
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| 13:54.17 | Loof | I'm not sure if to install unstable and manage it remotely until a new stable is out...or install stable + bits and pieces of unstable. |
| 13:54.32 | Loof | Or stable + compile important system services from source. |
| 13:54.36 | man_in_shack | Loof, don't do stable+unstable |
| 13:54.46 | man_in_shack | Loof, that can fsck up your system immensly |
| 13:55.08 | giansalvo | jm_: I'm following the "Debian and Windows Printing mini HOWTO" till this error. Is there anything else I should read? |
| 13:55.19 | Why-o-why | debian nerds... |
| 13:55.19 | jm_ | giansalvo: URL? |
| 13:55.23 | man_in_shack | Loof, i'd say get a sarge installer and stick with sarge while it's stable. what do you think? |
| 13:55.25 | Loof | man_in_shack. It's not uncommon to do unstable + testing, etc. |
| 13:55.38 | giansalvo | jm_: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html#printing_to_windows |
| 13:55.52 | man_in_shack | Loof, but it is uncommon to do stable+testing/unstable |
| 13:56.03 | Loof | ok... |
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| 13:56.10 | man_in_shack | Loof, i speak from experience. stable+unstable == easily fscked up |
| 13:56.20 | jm_ | giansalvo: did you install smbclient? |
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| 13:57.37 | giansalvo | yes. when I do "smbclient -L gutemberg" I get a line with "Tally T9312" Printer |
| 13:57.51 | Vegar | Loof: stable+unstable often have different libc versions |
| 13:58.01 | jm_ | giansalvo: no password required? |
| 13:58.03 | man_in_shack | yeah |
| 13:58.07 | man_in_shack | that's the problem i came up against |
| 13:58.14 | jm_ | giansalvo: try using smbspool to the printer manually |
| 13:58.15 | Loof | Vegar: Oh, ick |
| 13:58.22 | giansalvo | jm_: well, yes... I omitted -U logname and passwd |
| 13:58.32 | man_in_shack | dselect wanted to uninstall glibc for a start |
| 13:58.36 | man_in_shack | eventually i broke apt-get too |
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| 13:58.42 | Loof | As someone who has upgraded glibc by hand, from source... ick |
| 13:58.43 | Loof | ;) |
| 13:58.44 | jm_ | giansalvo: you need to specify username and password in smb:// URI for CUPS |
| 13:58.47 | man_in_shack | probably at the same time actually ;) |
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| 13:59.08 | Loof | I hate the 2 names for a release thing... what version is Sarge? |
| 13:59.17 | eye69 | Loof: Testing |
| 13:59.33 | man_in_shack | Loof, sarge is testing, is becoming stable ;) |
| 13:59.33 | citral | Loof: it will become stable when it's released |
| 13:59.50 | giansalvo | jm_: ok. checking man... |
| 13:59.52 | man_in_shack | which will be sometime in the next 3 or 4 years :P |
| 13:59.57 | Loof | heh |
| 14:00.06 | Miguelzinho | Loof, will never be released |
| 14:00.11 | man_in_shack | last i heard it was 3 months away. that was about 6months ago |
| 14:00.17 | Loof | I'll never be released? |
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| 14:00.18 | Loof | oh no! |
| 14:00.23 | Loof | :) |
| 14:00.39 | Loof | Miguel... |
| 14:00.52 | Loof | I dunno, I'm just pondering my options. |
| 14:01.14 | Loof | I tried asking in a couple of #linux...and they all suggested something OTHER than Debian... not very useful when my question was which debian. |
| 14:01.15 | Miguelzinho | yeah, debian is becoming a great joke, a very good distro, a lot of people envolved, good quality packages |
| 14:01.36 | giansalvo | jm_: thanks. |
| 14:01.37 | Miguelzinho | but we can't release nothing for more than 2 years |
| 14:01.40 | man_in_shack | and everyone thinks debian stable == debian |
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| 14:01.56 | Loof | man_in_shack: It's not that... there's many classes of users. |
| 14:02.06 | Loof | the grand majority... will only ever look at a stable release. |
| 14:02.15 | Loof | They go and install Debian...and wonder why everything is so old |
| 14:02.30 | Loof | I'm not a big fan of 6 month release cycles either |
| 14:02.33 | man_in_shack | Loof, non-debian fud people think debian is full of 4yr old software |
| 14:02.43 | man_in_shack | bah @ ubuntu |
| 14:02.46 | Loof | A large number of my clients don't upgrade |
| 14:02.51 | man_in_shack | debian is much cooler |
| 14:02.55 | Loof | They might... once a year...or every 2 years |
| 14:02.58 | billyoc | man_in_shack: amen |
| 14:03.04 | Miguelzinho | man_in_shack, isn't it? gnome 1.4? |
| 14:03.16 | Vegar | Do I have to update the /usr/bin/gcc symlink by hand or is there a nice app that can do it for me? |
| 14:03.23 | man_in_shack | Miguelzinho, that's only stable though |
| 14:03.28 | Loof | if there was an annual release...and each release supported through 2-3 release cycles (i.e. 2-3 years) it'd be IDEAL for most pople. |
| 14:03.31 | Loof | i.e. non-geeks |
| 14:03.37 | ep | There's and ongoing /. thread on debain |
| 14:03.39 | man_in_shack | i tell people, unstable doesn't mean it'll crash, it means it's not thoroughly tested |
| 14:03.42 | man_in_shack | they never learn |
| 14:03.45 | ep | *debian |
| 14:03.51 | luulis | Vegar: i think its by hand, update-alternatives only handles cc symlink iirc |
| 14:03.53 | Loof | Hell, think about how many people are still using Windows '95 or '98 without thinking twice about it |
| 14:04.02 | Vegar | luulis: ok |
| 14:04.08 | Pappa | "experimental" means it'll crash. |
| 14:04.09 | man_in_shack | Loof, i think many times about it |
| 14:04.23 | man_in_shack | Loof, i'm not gonna install 2000 or xp just to get one thing working |
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| 14:04.26 | man_in_shack | Pappa, exactly, more or less ;) |
| 14:04.40 | Pappa | my unstable never went wrong |
| 14:04.49 | Loof | I dunno, I'm actually kinda tempted by Progeny |
| 14:04.56 | man_in_shack | mine has, but not beyond the point of repair |
| 14:04.57 | jm_ | then you didn't use sid when ifconfig broke for example |
| 14:04.58 | directhex|work | XD @ watching videos over ssh courtesy mplayer -vo aa |
| 14:05.02 | Loof | except that they're still in release candidate stage forever |
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| 14:05.07 | man_in_shack | and it was always something horrible i did to it to brake it ;) |
| 14:05.23 | Loof | man: No, you can't stop it |
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| 14:05.30 | Loof | you have to slow down first |
| 14:05.33 | Loof | it's too daaaangerous |
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| 14:05.46 | brosio | why exist only sarge netinstall |
| 14:05.49 | brosio | and not sid ? |
| 14:05.58 | Loof | brosio: Because. |
| 14:06.04 | man_in_shack | brosio, cos the sid installer is broken, last i heard |
| 14:06.12 | man_in_shack | Loof, wtf are you talking about? |
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| 14:06.25 | Miguelzinho | this discussion will never end, lets talk about useful stuffs |
| 14:06.27 | Loof | man: Brake = stopping something... you meant break. |
| 14:06.29 | Pappa | it you want sid, install sarge, shange testing to unstable in sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade. smooth. |
| 14:06.40 | billyoc | yeah, easy |
| 14:06.44 | Pappa | change* |
| 14:06.45 | man_in_shack | ah, so i did |
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| 14:06.53 | man_in_shack | Loof, pedant |
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| 14:07.18 | ep | what does "pedant" mean? |
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| 14:07.29 | man_in_shack | ep, look it up |
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| 14:07.38 | man_in_shack | i THINK that's the noun .... |
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| 14:08.05 | man_in_shack | hehe |
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| 14:08.07 | jm_ | not man, dict |
| 14:08.20 | Loof | jm: Now, now...don't be using that kind of language... |
| 14:08.22 | jm_ | directhex|work: there's also -vo caca |
| 14:08.36 | brosio | so sarge=testing, sid=unstable... so to install sid the only way is install netinstall sarge and after change repisotry to sid and apt-get upgrade all ? |
| 14:09.04 | man_in_shack | brosio, basically, yes |
| 14:09.05 | Loof | Any of you play /w Progeny? |
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| 14:09.24 | brosio | ok thx |
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| 14:09.26 | ep | the "debian is dying" thread got modded informative :) |
| 14:09.26 | directhex|work | Loof, once. it didn't work. |
| 14:09.28 | SpamHog | Loof: none should play with mine or I'll kill them |
| 14:09.30 | man_in_shack | Loof, i haven't! |
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| 14:10.24 | einsteinmg | jm_: hmm... the nfs kernel server starts just fine without anything in /etc/exports, so why does the init skript need something in /etc/exports? |
| 14:10.28 | Loof | That was odd |
| 14:10.39 | Loof | It's tempting because...well, it IS Ian's pet project...and Progeny is physically close to me. |
| 14:10.51 | man_in_shack | einsteinmg, so it knows what to export |
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| 14:10.56 | pngwn | Loof, don't they want money for that? |
| 14:11.02 | Loof | pngwn: Not yet |
| 14:11.04 | jm_ | einsteinmg: I think this is done on purpose as to not waste resources if there's nothing to serve over NFS |
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| 14:11.22 | ajs | directhex|work, that worked. It's because the sdX drives don't get added to /dev for a while (because udev is slow) and mdadm-raid needs them before it makes the stuff available in /proc/mdstat.. |
| 14:11.26 | Loof | pngwn: From what I've read...they wanna make the OS free and updates free... like Debian |
| 14:11.29 | sussudio | ep: someone trolling about #debian being full of elitist jerks got modded informative too |
| 14:11.29 | Loof | but have paid support |
| 14:11.32 | Loof | and paid custom releases |
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| 14:11.42 | WiFiTux | If I have /var/log/bla/blab/aaa/bla in a file, how can I cat or more the file and invoke it to the cd command? ie. i want to go to the path in the file. |
| 14:11.51 | Loof | i.e. if you are HP and want an HP repository /w only packages you know about and support... |
| 14:11.55 | Loof | you can do that |
| 14:12.00 | pngwn | Loof, I knew they were trying to make money off it somewhere ;) |
| 14:12.03 | Loof | or more to they point...they can do that |
| 14:12.08 | einsteinmg | man_in_shack: it should only start the kernel server, and export the default exports |
| 14:12.14 | Loof | pngwn: One can only hope :) |
| 14:12.17 | einsteinmg | _default_ |
| 14:12.19 | Loof | Then maybe they can hire me |
| 14:12.31 | man_in_shack | einsteinmg, there are default exports? |
| 14:12.36 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 14:12.39 | pngwn | Loof, good luck on the job |
| 14:12.43 | Loof | I dunno, one thing is what I might use... |
| 14:12.44 | man_in_shack | anyone know why i keep getting "Bad header line"? |
| 14:12.45 | einsteinmg | jm_: bad practise because _all_ other nfs related servers gets started |
| 14:12.48 | Loof | but another is what I wanna support |
| 14:12.49 | einsteinmg | man_in_shack: /etc/exports |
| 14:13.11 | Loof | I don't want someone calling me because they see that a new release is out and theirs is 'old' now after a couple of months :P |
| 14:13.27 | Loof | And I don't want to have to regularly connect to a system to maintain it. |
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| 14:13.51 | Loof | These are generally NOT internet accessible... so security releases arn't as big of a deal |
| 14:14.05 | einsteinmg | jm_: if i want to start the nfs server, then the skript HAS TO start the nfs server, not think about it, and dont start the nfs server and return with 0 => bug |
| 14:14.29 | Loof | So, basically...the idea at this point is that testing is the right thing to use |
| 14:14.33 | WiFiTux | If I have /var/log/bla/blab/aaa/bla in a file, how can I cat or more the file and invoke it to the cd command? ie. i want to go to the path in the file. |
| 14:14.37 | jm_ | einsteinmg: check BTS and possibly submit a bug |
| 14:14.51 | Loof | and once it migrates over to stable...a couple of apt/preference changes later... they are on 'stable' |
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| 14:15.04 | caphuso | WiFiTux: cd $(cat file) |
| 14:15.09 | kmarty | WiFiTux: are you looking for 'dirname'? |
| 14:15.30 | kmarty | WiFiTux: cd $(dirname file) |
| 14:15.33 | einsteinmg | jm_: k |
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| 14:16.30 | kmarty | WiFiTux: or in 'bla' file are paths which you want browse? |
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| 14:19.16 | kmarty | WiFiTux: for i in $(cat file) ; do cd $i ; echo "current dir is: $PWD"; done |
| 14:19.19 | kmarty | WiFiTux: this? |
| 14:19.22 | matthias | Hi. getmail says "Exception getmailcore.exceptions.getmailDeliveryError: <getmailcore.exceptions.getmailDeliveryError instance at 0x4044216c> in <bound method SimplePOP3Retriever.__del__ of <getmailcore.retrievers.SimplePOP3Retriever object at 0x4044238c>> ignored" and doesn't delete mail - even if explicitly told to do so. Any ideas? |
| 14:19.36 | sybariten | ok i'm gonna ask a question and i'm a n00b and i'm not really on debian so if youre gonna flame me do it early on. I am trying to install a bittorrent client, i chose to do it via apt. I didnt have python so it bailed first, it still bailed now cause the version i got via apt was python 2.1 i think. so the torrent client won't install. what do you normally do in a case like that ? |
| 14:19.58 | sybariten | the client wants 2.3 or newer |
| 14:20.00 | WiFiTux | caphuso: bash-2.03# more testing /var/log/ bash-2.03# cd $testing bash-2.03# pwd / |
| 14:20.01 | kmarty | WiFiTux: or in file is only one dir? |
| 14:20.19 | caphuso | WiFiTux: eek |
| 14:20.22 | WiFiTux | kmarty: I want the contents of a file to become my input |
| 14:20.26 | brosio | kde3.4 alredy on official repository ? |
| 14:20.31 | WiFiTux | caphuso: didn't work. |
| 14:20.31 | caphuso | WiFiTux: do what i told you instead of inventing your own random commands |
| 14:20.40 | takatumi | matthias: fetchmail wouldn't cut it? |
| 14:20.54 | brosio | topic say no :) |
| 14:21.07 | matthias | takarumi: fetchmail barfed - thats why I switched to getmail in the first place. |
| 14:21.17 | kmarty | WiFiTux: sry, I don't understand you |
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| 14:21.29 | matthias | Sorry: takaTumi |
| 14:21.50 | caphuso | kmarty: i do, but WiFiTux doesn't understand me. i guess what goes around comes around ;-) |
| 14:22.05 | chaps0063_ | does anyone have any insight on installing ATI drivers in Debian (9600XT)? |
| 14:22.15 | WiFiTux | caphuso: thanks. :) I was confused.. worked. This Solaris box is crazy |
| 14:22.29 | takatumi | matthias: fetchmail barfing and getmail bailing. pebcak or pebkac? |
| 14:22.50 | matthias | takatumi: Problem exists between server and client. Dunno. |
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| 14:23.19 | kmarty | WiFiTux: Or do you mean this?: cat $(cat file) |
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| 14:23.43 | WiFiTux | kmarty: yes. |
| 14:23.45 | caphuso | or even cat $(cat $(cat file))? |
| 14:23.48 | matthias | takatumi: fetchmail and getmail fail at different tasks. fetchmail fails to deliver certain messages (not all) and getmail fails to delete mail. |
| 14:23.56 | WiFiTux | caphuso: same as cd `cat file` |
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| 14:24.14 | caphuso | WiFiTux: yeah, but less annoying |
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| 14:24.33 | takatumi | matthias: man that sounds annoying. fetchmail just works here. :) |
| 14:24.43 | pzn | Hi! when I start firefox from gnome-terminal, it works ok. when I start it from gnome menu, it saves pages with wrong umask. this also occours with other programs. where must I configure the umask to apps run from menu? |
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| 14:25.26 | takatumi | chaps0063_: tried /msg dpkg ati drivers? |
| 14:25.37 | matthias | takatumi: fetchmail works for me, too, but at our office it keeps stuck every now and then when certain messages arrive. Then it just wouldn't poll any more messages from that account. Which pretty much sucks because ppl in the office normally only notice that after days. |
| 14:25.47 | Pappa_ | noo i left |
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| 14:26.01 | rocky23 | ive just upgraded to 2.6.11.6 and i get these unknown hz errors when i start dhcp3, havnt seen it anywhere else, i read it before as i think they started on the 2.6 kernels? is there a way to fix this message? and should i be worried ? im sure i looked before and it was a harmless thing ? |
| 14:26.03 | matthias | takatumi: when I delete these messages, fetchmail continues w/o problems. |
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| 14:27.24 | pzn | matthias, you can try to run fetchmail with -v to see it verbosely... |
| 14:27.58 | matthias | pzn: thanks but all that fetchmail says is "MDA error - Queue status = 6 (IOERR)" |
| 14:28.06 | takatumi | rocky23: googled for the error? |
| 14:28.23 | pzn | matthias, did you try with two "-v" (very verbose)? |
| 14:28.30 | matthias | pzn: fetchmail doesnt even give proper numeric messages with -vv |
| 14:28.36 | matthias | pzn: yes ... did. |
| 14:28.46 | caphuso | matthias: time to check your MTA log files |
| 14:28.52 | rocky23 | takatumi: many times, some say it was an error in 2.4 and it got fixed, some talk abou certain apps getting it and them looking to fix it, nothing about what it is etc and how to fix |
| 14:28.54 | matthias | It's not that I'm particularly stupid. |
| 14:29.52 | matthias | caphuso: the logs are void of any information I could use to track this down. fetchmail e.g. doesn't keep a log. Neither does qmail-smtp. |
| 14:29.54 | takatumi | rocky23: maybe try lkml.org |
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| 14:30.11 | pzn | matthias, I also think the error is in your MDA, not in fetchmail. check the log messages of it. which MDA do you use? |
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| 14:30.48 | matthias | pzn: depends. Actually, I have no clue what MDA is. Is it the POP on the other side? |
| 14:30.54 | rocky23 | takatumi: nop but thanks :) |
| 14:31.18 | pzn | matthias, does your fetchmail configuration has the words "smtp localhost"? |
| 14:31.28 | caphuso | matthias: it means "Mail Delivery Agent" |
| 14:31.33 | pzn | how to set the default umask for apps run from gnome menu? |
| 14:31.37 | caphuso | so no, it's not the remote popd |
| 14:31.53 | einsteinmg | what to do if a bug is reporter for 342 days _with_ patch, but don't even get a answer from maintainer (and no bugfix also)? |
| 14:31.55 | caphuso | matthias: and i seriously doubt that qmail doesn't keep log files, that'd be insane |
| 14:31.58 | matthias | caphuso: thought the SMTP is referred to as MTA. |
| 14:32.14 | einsteinmg | it's about nfs-kernel-server #246904 |
| 14:32.32 | matthias | caphuso: qmail uses syslog. I have no clue how to get it as verbose as I need it to be. |
| 14:32.54 | matthias | pzn: I use localhost smtp for delivery, yes |
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| 14:33.24 | pzn | then your MDA is the program listening on TCP port 25. it may be exim, postfix, courier... do you know which one? |
| 14:33.30 | caphuso | matthias: why aren't you using a MTA you actually understand? |
| 14:33.40 | caphuso | pzn: no, that's the MTA |
| 14:33.40 | matthias | pzn: I use qmail |
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| 14:33.49 | matthias | caphuso: I thought I did |
| 14:33.53 | takatumi | matthias: procmail or similar? |
| 14:33.58 | caphuso | the MDA is what puts the mail into a file somewhere |
| 14:34.03 | matthias | OK, folks. What the heck is an MDA? |
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| 14:34.11 | matthias | caphuso: OK. Thanks. |
| 14:34.30 | matthias | caphuso: so in qmail it is supposed to be qmail-local. |
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| 14:34.37 | caphuso | matthias: i wouldn't know |
| 14:34.54 | pzn | caphuso, ok. sorry for MDA/MTA confusion. it may be procmail or similar |
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| 14:35.05 | matthias | pzn: I don't use procmail. For sure. |
| 14:35.22 | caphuso | that doesn't matter |
| 14:35.46 | caphuso | what matters is that you get qmail to actually tell you what's going on. everything else is pointless monkeying around |
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| 14:36.23 | matthias | caphuso: right. I guess I go back and try to do that. Not that I haven't tried already, but ... |
| 14:36.31 | pzn | matthias, if you have any doubt about a acronym like MTA MDA TCP ..., you can check http://www.dict.org |
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| 14:36.45 | takatumi | or install wtf |
| 14:36.49 | toresbe | What's the English word for an...uhm... eye doctor? |
| 14:36.57 | pzn | matthias, the way is doing what caphuso said... see qmail logs, you must find an answer. |
| 14:36.58 | zinx | optometrist |
| 14:37.06 | zinx | well, that's the american word |
| 14:37.07 | toresbe | zinx: no, that's someone who makes glasses |
| 14:37.12 | matthias | pzn: lets hope so. |
| 14:37.14 | zinx | doh? |
| 14:37.27 | toresbe | I meant, someone who, er, fixes eyes. |
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| 14:37.51 | caphuso | toresbe: ophthalmologist? |
| 14:37.53 | zinx | there's also oculist, and ophthalmologist |
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| 14:38.14 | caphuso | or simply "eye doctor" :) |
| 14:38.17 | toresbe | caphuso: never heard of it, so it's probably correct, thanks :P |
| 14:38.21 | FieldySnuts | badgertometry? |
| 14:38.31 | toresbe | tore@fortran:~$ dict ophthalmologist |
| 14:38.33 | toresbe | :) |
| 14:38.46 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a widget war |
| 14:38.47 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 14:38.52 | FieldySnuts | hm. |
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| 14:39.12 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a toolkit war |
| 14:39.12 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I give up, what is it? |
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| 14:39.12 | ruzbeh | Hello, I need some printing help. I add a printer with cups using that http://localhost:631 thingy and I can select drivers and all perfectly, but I can't print. It returns 'client-error-not-possible'. I tested the printer in Windows, it works, ink level is good. What do I do? |
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| 14:39.26 | takatumi | !annoy FieldySnuts |
| 14:39.26 | abrotman | !start a widget set holy war |
| 14:39.27 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 14:39.27 | dpkg | Gtk sucks |
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| 14:39.38 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a widget set holy war |
| 14:39.39 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:39.40 | FieldySnuts | BLAH |
| 14:39.44 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:39.47 | abrotman | @listkeys widget |
| 14:39.49 | pzn | how to set the default umask for apps run from gnome menu (using sarge)? do you know a better IRC channel to ask this question? |
| 14:39.49 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'widget' by key returned no results. |
| 14:39.59 | FieldySnuts | takatumi is bein mean to me |
| 14:40.11 | abrotman | pzn: #gnome on irc.gnome.org might have a better idea |
| 14:40.16 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: hell no, mwwah. |
| 14:40.22 | abrotman | if you can even change it |
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| 14:41.56 | zuralin | what would be the point in changing the umask of apps in the gnome menu? |
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| 14:42.11 | caphuso | zuralin: changing the default permissions of files they create |
| 14:42.16 | baz | weird, my clock is correct at the console, but an hour behind in gnome |
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| 14:42.28 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: blame gnome |
| 14:42.29 | ravenbird | i haven't a clue, FieldySnuts |
| 14:42.36 | FieldySnuts | my bot-fu sucks today bbl |
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| 14:42.40 | zuralin | ah |
| 14:42.41 | takatumi | I see a pattern above ^ gnome gnome gnome. |
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| 14:43.06 | zinx | anyone know a good excercist that does lawn gnomes? |
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| 14:43.39 | takatumi | !dict excercist |
| 14:43.41 | dpkg | could not find definition for excercist |
| 14:43.44 | Pappa | perhaps when gnome-terminal runs bash, .bashrc has umask 0022 in it |
| 14:43.46 | zinx | yes, my spelling sucks |
| 14:43.51 | Pappa | and bash_profile has 0077 or something |
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| 14:44.29 | abrotman | exorcist? |
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| 14:44.40 | takatumi | zinx: no, you got occulist ophthalmologist and optometrist right. :) |
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| 14:44.57 | abrotman | occultist? |
| 14:44.59 | zinx | takatumi: naw, i cheated |
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| 14:47.14 | shadow00 | I need to come up with an idea for this compaq proliant server I have it is a p pro 200 that came with a rack raid system of 7 9.1 gb scsi's...I currently have a debian server running on a dual p2 350 that is running webserver, ftp server, and NFS!!! |
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| 14:47.58 | takatumi | shadow00: sounds like an accident waiting to happen. :) |
| 14:48.01 | Rebecca | hi, i just killed my debian install. be renaming one of the files in /lib |
| 14:48.05 | abrotman | shadow00: mirror the debian archive .. duh |
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| 14:48.17 | shadow00 | takatumi: what do you mean |
| 14:48.21 | abrotman | why would you rename a file in /lib? |
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| 14:48.31 | Kzimm | re |
| 14:48.34 | Kzimm | hi |
| 14:48.38 | Kzimm | i have little question: i want sources.list in stable and have the last security fix to follow the security.announce letter i dunno what are the good lines to put in sources.list |
| 14:48.39 | LaVey|Work | ok.. got my install on |
| 14:48.40 | Rebecca | my question is.. how do i mount a serial ata disk and get a bash prompt so i can fix it? |
| 14:48.51 | Rebecca | with the netinstall disk |
| 14:48.54 | abrotman | use a rescue disk |
| 14:48.56 | LaVey|Work | how do i start the gui. startx : command not found |
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| 14:49.07 | abrotman | !tell LaVey|Work about set up x |
| 14:49.19 | Rebecca | abrotman: trying to setup a 32bit emulator |
| 14:49.22 | abrotman | does the netinst have a rescue mode yet? |
| 14:49.30 | takatumi | shadow00: ftp and nfs on a server, you either need a good firewall or use other tools. build a firewall on the p pro 200. |
| 14:49.42 | shadow00 | I have on |
| 14:49.49 | xzgv | hi, i want to change the wm in Gnome from Metacity to Openbox, any ideas? |
| 14:49.57 | shadow00 | on another compaq server its running m0n0wall |
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| 14:50.26 | abrotman | Rebecca: you might need to use like an ubuntu liveCD .. i don't know that the netinst has a rescue mode yet |
| 14:50.39 | shadow00 | takatumi: im not putting it right out on the web..only thing that is allowed through the firewall is ftp |
| 14:51.10 | shadow00 | abrotman: what do you mean by garbage |
| 14:51.18 | Rebecca | abrotman: ok |
| 14:51.22 | abrotman | shadow00: i've got a dual PPro 200 in my office :) |
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| 14:51.32 | takatumi | Rebecca: tried linux26? |
| 14:51.36 | nydust | what is the latest release? |
| 14:51.38 | shadow00 | abortman: you want to send it my way...hehehe |
| 14:51.41 | abrotman | takatumi: she borked a file in /lib |
| 14:51.44 | abrotman | !release |
| 14:51.44 | dpkg | When is release ... the official answer: "Debian has a strict policy of never announcing release dates; therefore, the release date for ``sarge'' is not yet known.", or Stable release is "woody" (3.0), Testing release is "sarge", following that will be "etch" |
| 14:52.31 | shadow00 | takatumi: most everything else I run an ssh tunnel for... |
| 14:52.45 | takatumi | shadow00: good for you. :) |
| 14:53.10 | LaVey|Work | what if im behind a restrictive firewall and cant use apt |
| 14:53.20 | LaVey|Work | how do i boot the gui ? |
| 14:53.21 | shadow00 | takatumi: got any good ideas on what I should do with this server I just have sitting around.. |
| 14:53.47 | takatumi | shadow00: test unstable/sid development bed. |
| 14:54.09 | Steven_ | how do I specify the partition that contains my rootdisk, in the kernel line of grub ? |
| 14:54.12 | Steven_ | it's a sata disk |
| 14:54.15 | Steven_ | on 2.6 kernel |
| 14:54.20 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: you owuld download all the Cds and install from those |
| 14:54.23 | shadow00 | takatumi: anything else... |
| 14:54.26 | Steven_ | I tried /dev/hda4, /dev/sda4, LABEL=/ |
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| 14:54.30 | Steven_ | I'm out of ideas |
| 14:54.31 | shadow00 | or anybody else have any ideas for it... |
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| 14:54.38 | nydust | where do i get a iso of debain for install over the net? |
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| 14:54.44 | LaVey|Work | ok ta.. |
| 14:54.46 | abrotman | shadow00: buildd machine! |
| 14:54.57 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: why doesn't apt work? |
| 14:55.14 | Matthew_I | why can't I use apt to install a deb file locally so that it resolves deps without creating a local repo? |
| 14:55.18 | shadow00 | abortman: build machine??? |
| 14:55.18 | BadMan | Steven_: did you make sure to toggle the "bootable" flag for the partition? |
| 14:55.21 | Steven_ | nydust : http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 14:55.21 | Matthew_I | why is this not a feature? |
| 14:55.21 | abrotman | !buildd |
| 14:55.22 | dpkg | hmm... buildd is Debian's automated build system that automatically compiles everything it finds. |
| 14:55.22 | LaVey|Work | just said failed when i tested on install |
| 14:55.33 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: maybe you should fix that first? |
| 14:55.36 | Steven_ | BadMan : no need to |
| 14:55.39 | LaVey|Work | lol |
| 14:55.44 | shadow00 | abortman: and what does that give me??? |
| 14:55.47 | Matthew_I | It does not seem to difficult to impliment... |
| 14:55.53 | LaVey|Work | right /me deb/linux noob |
| 14:56.00 | abrotman | shadow00: nothing .. it helps debian |
| 14:56.06 | shadow00 | abortman: or maybe I should say what is the purpose.. |
| 14:56.06 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: nslookup www.yahoo.com |
| 14:56.16 | abrotman | shadow00: help debian! :) |
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| 14:56.43 | shadow00 | ok that is 2 ideas...anything else.. |
| 14:56.51 | LaVey|Work | connection timed out, no servers can be contacted |
| 14:57.00 | debian-san | Anyone has succeed to run ntpd under a non-root user on woody? |
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| 14:57.16 | sybariten | where can i learn about "repositories" , or more generally, apt ? |
| 14:57.21 | Rebecca | can i mount a SATA dist from the busybox(?) prompt that one can jump to on the netinstall cd? |
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| 14:57.26 | abrotman | shadow00: newsgroup mirror! |
| 14:57.28 | Rebecca | disk* |
| 14:57.29 | sybariten | i dont understand the anatomy of the sources.list |
| 14:57.32 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: fix your dns |
| 14:57.52 | takatumi | sybariten: man sources.list |
| 14:58.00 | shadow00 | abortman: probably wouldn't work well since I have a cable connection have have to use dynamic dns.. |
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| 14:58.16 | LaVey|Work | how would one do that ? |
| 14:58.27 | sybariten | takatumi: oh ok thankx |
| 14:58.30 | sybariten | thanks |
| 14:59.21 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: fix your resolv.conf .. or haev it use dhcp |
| 14:59.21 | takatumi | sybariten: man -k is your friend. |
| 14:59.22 | sybariten | by the way, is there a general movement that argues that man pages are kind of sucky ? |
| 14:59.22 | sybariten | what does -k do ? |
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| 14:59.22 | forkqueue | Man pages are sucky? |
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| 14:59.52 | abrotman | !linux man pages |
| 15:00.00 | abrotman | ermm |
| 15:00.02 | abrotman | !man pages |
| 15:00.02 | dpkg | man pages are TFM that you were told to R. "apt-get install manpages man-db". "man: command not found" means you forgot to install man-db. install "manpages-dev" for system calls and library functions. |
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| 15:00.06 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
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| 15:00.23 | abrotman | ha |
| 15:00.26 | abrotman | !gnu man pages |
| 15:00.26 | dpkg | gnu man pages are utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
| 15:00.27 | abrotman | yay |
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| 15:00.33 | sybariten | forkqueue : if that was not a question mark, but a rather curly exclamation marks, we are now a movement |
| 15:00.35 | zinx | !info pages |
| 15:00.37 | LaVey|Work | where do i find the resolve.conf ? |
| 15:00.43 | Pappa | texinfo is shit. |
| 15:00.43 | anhi | in /etc/ |
| 15:00.45 | zinx | whoops |
| 15:00.51 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: /etc/resolv.conf .. no e |
| 15:00.53 | zinx | seems info is a command :P |
| 15:00.59 | forkqueue | sybariten: No, that was a question mark |
| 15:01.12 | takatumi | Pappa: says you. |
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| 15:01.23 | forkqueue | sybariten: If man pages are sucky then 85% of my unix skills are sucky |
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| 15:01.39 | sybariten | forkqueue: ok ... if it was for me, i'd have to answer "yeah..." |
| 15:01.40 | forkqueue | sybariten: Because 85% of my knowledge comes from man pages |
| 15:01.44 | zinx | forkqueue: _gnu_ man pages. GNU wants you to use info. |
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| 15:01.55 | LaVey|Work | no such file/dir |
| 15:02.00 | shadow00 | abortman: are you out of ideas.. |
| 15:02.06 | debian-san | I will ask my question differently : Anyone has ever managed to chroot ntpd under a non-root user on woody? |
| 15:02.11 | abrotman | shadow00: no .. i have more .. but none you want to hear |
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| 15:02.14 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: bullshit .. |
| 15:02.18 | takatumi | shadow00: why don't you post to some mailing list? |
| 15:02.22 | abrotman | !find etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:02.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/resolv.conf' (1): (/usr/lib/mindi/rootfs/etc/resolv.conf) in utils/mindi. |
| 15:02.30 | sybariten | forkqueue: well, for me, in 85 percent of the cases, i dont learn things from the man pages, but instead from other webpages ... that are more .... hmmm.. shall we say, exact about examples and so |
| 15:02.31 | darxeth | the files i download by apt-get install, where exactly they go?? |
| 15:02.35 | abrotman | shadow00: donate it to local lub |
| 15:02.36 | abrotman | err lug |
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| 15:02.45 | takatumi | darxeth: dpkg -L <package> |
| 15:03.24 | LaVey|Work | im at machine@user:/etc$ |
| 15:03.27 | brosio | which is the script that is excute after the reboot |
| 15:03.31 | brosio | of installation ' |
| 15:03.33 | brosio | ? |
| 15:03.37 | Rebecca | abrotman: yes, i can be fixed using the netinstall cd :) |
| 15:03.40 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: ls -l resolv.conf |
| 15:03.44 | Rebecca | s/i/it |
| 15:03.46 | Rebecca | lol |
| 15:03.46 | abrotman | Rebecca: good to know :) |
| 15:03.57 | abrotman | base-config ? |
| 15:04.02 | LaVey|Work | no such file/dir |
| 15:04.12 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: then it's not debian |
| 15:04.13 | brosio | thx |
| 15:04.26 | abrotman | i don't think you can get a debian box without resolv.conf |
| 15:04.33 | abrotman | or you removed it |
| 15:04.37 | LaVey|Work | i just instaled |
| 15:04.39 | treestone | darxeth: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 15:04.42 | LaVey|Work | fresh |
| 15:04.46 | abrotman | !resolv.conf |
| 15:04.49 | abrotman | !resolv |
| 15:04.51 | LaVey|Work | woody-i386-1.iso |
| 15:04.54 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: man resolv.conf |
| 15:05.19 | abrotman | LaVey|Work: is this for a workstation? |
| 15:05.20 | LaVey|Work | no manual entry for resolve.conf |
| 15:05.29 | LaVey|Work | for my lappy |
| 15:05.29 | treestone | resolv, not resolve |
| 15:05.30 | abrotman | NO FUCKING GOD DAMNED "E" .. |
| 15:05.37 | abrotman | !d-i LaVey|Work |
| 15:05.38 | dpkg | LaVey|Work, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 15:06.59 | abrotman | !fundamentals |
| 15:06.59 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
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| 15:07.28 | Nosf3ratu | I suppose I'm a minority in this, but why not just ln -s resolv.conf resolve.conf during installation? |
| 15:07.30 | takatumi | http://gpoppy.org/2005-03-31-180610_1024x768_scrot.png look no utf8 smilies. |
| 15:07.42 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: promotes idiocy |
| 15:07.52 | treestone | Nosf3ratu: Because there is no need whatsoever for any "resolve.conf" file? |
| 15:07.58 | Nosf3ratu | s/idiocy/ignorance |
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| 15:08.39 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: heya |
| 15:08.48 | petemc | Nosf3ratu: feel free to do that on any box you install |
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| 15:09.23 | darxeth | i downloaded bittornado, how can i get the torrent files to automatically use it when downloading? |
| 15:09.34 | Roey | treestone: why is there no need for a resolve.conf or a resolv.conf? |
| 15:09.55 | abrotman | Roey: resolv.conf yes .. resolve.conf no |
| 15:09.55 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: one of the stupidities about UNIX in general... like creat(). |
| 15:10.08 | Roey | Nosf3ratu: and the heirarchical filesystem. |
| 15:10.23 | abrotman | right .. no other file system is heirarchical |
| 15:10.27 | abrotman | not a single one |
| 15:10.28 | sybariten | i am now installing "bittornado", and apt says its a 10 mb download. i think this is all python, so i'm surprised its that myuch. can i somehow check where everything goes ? |
| 15:10.36 | Roey | abrotman: I'm talking about all heirarchical filesystems. |
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| 15:10.49 | abrotman | they're not stupid .. they make sense .. and did 40 years ago |
| 15:10.49 | Roey | abrotman: I prefer a relational one |
| 15:10.58 | abrotman | Roey: good .. go write one . and make it not suck |
| 15:11.03 | Roey | abrotman: misspelled words made sense 40 years ago? :) |
| 15:11.10 | zinx | relational.. filesystem.. |
| 15:11.20 | abrotman | Roey: bits did |
| 15:11.21 | zinx | Roey: do you know what the words you're using mean? |
| 15:11.26 | Roey | zinx: yes. |
| 15:11.28 | sybariten | holy crap, i see now ... its installing python 2.3 .... how can it install python 2.3 when i just installed v2.4 ? will i have two pythons now ? |
| 15:11.28 | abrotman | zinx: they exist |
| 15:11.34 | zinx | Roey: it sure doesn't seem like it |
| 15:11.36 | Roey | zinx: imagine using 'cd' as a query |
| 15:11.40 | citral | sybariten: yes |
| 15:11.41 | Roey | zinx: which changes your view |
| 15:11.43 | Why-o-why | Hey! Joe Blobb. |
| 15:11.45 | Roey | zinx: how come? |
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| 15:11.57 | abrotman | zinx: they exist .. and are horribly slow |
| 15:12.02 | zinx | Roey: accociating truncated names with the filesystem type... |
| 15:12.02 | abrotman | for some reason .. i'm nto sure why |
| 15:12.11 | Roey | zinx: what? |
| 15:12.17 | abrotman | but MS seems to think it's a great idea .. which is perhaps where Roey got the idea |
| 15:12.24 | Roey | zinx: how does associating truncated names with the filesystem type have anything to do with my argument? |
| 15:12.28 | Roey | abrotman: nope... |
| 15:12.29 | zinx | Roey: that's the impression i got from your comment on truncated names, anyway |
| 15:12.32 | abrotman | Roey: conservation of bits |
| 15:12.37 | abrotman | 40 years ago .. 1 letter mattered |
| 15:12.42 | Roey | abrotman: for MS it's just a layer over their traditional filesystem. |
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| 15:12.48 | zinx | Roey: the names of the files have nothing at all to do with the filesystem in most unixes |
| 15:12.52 | Roey | abrotman: there is also RelationalFS, which is basically the same thing.. |
| 15:12.57 | abrotman | Roey: i don't think you're talking about the same thing from MS that i am ... |
| 15:13.02 | darxeth | shouldnt the download automatically begins when i try to download a bittorrent file?! (yes i've installed the bittorrent server and the client also) |
| 15:13.04 | zinx | Roey: since nearly all of them support names of 256 characters length or so. |
| 15:13.07 | Roey | zinx: did I say they did? |
| 15:13.08 | abrotman | darxeth: no |
| 15:13.11 | njan | Has anyone here used a North Face laptop rucksack? |
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| 15:13.19 | zinx | Roey: again, your comment made it seem like that to me. |
| 15:13.23 | Roey | zinx: ah, ok |
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| 15:13.25 | abrotman | njan: taking your laptop hiking? |
| 15:13.28 | sybariten | darxeth: you dont need the server ... and the download may take anything from 5 seconds to 30 minutes to start |
| 15:13.35 | Roey | zinx: hmm, I should do a small example of the kind of functionality I am interested in |
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| 15:13.49 | njan | abrotman, no, but I kill bags, so I need something which would work if I did :p |
| 15:14.03 | abrotman | Roey: i'm not saying it's nto a good idea .. but you're still addressing it as hierarhcical |
| 15:14.11 | Roey | abrotman: I know |
| 15:14.14 | abrotman | Roey: you're not actually chaning a damn thing but the storage method |
| 15:14.20 | abrotman | so i don't know why you're complaining :) |
| 15:14.21 | Roey | abrotman: with what? |
| 15:14.23 | Roey | abrotman: oof |
| 15:14.53 | Roey | abrotman: I will make an example of what I am seeking, k? |
| 15:14.53 | abrotman | Roey: i know what you are talkinga bout .. |
| 15:14.53 | njan | abrotman, I have the OEM extra-large Dell Nylon shouldercase, and it's killing my back, so I'm thinking of buying a rucksack case, and I (a) don't want one that looks like a laptop bag, and (b) want one which is ~indestructible ;) |
| 15:14.53 | abrotman | and you're not changing the interface .. just the backend |
| 15:14.54 | Roey | abrotman: that's right. |
| 15:14.56 | abrotman | which .. is still going to appear heirarchical |
| 15:15.00 | Roey | abrotman: I want to use the same tools that I use today |
| 15:15.01 | petemc | njan: i use a brenthaven backpack, kinda expensive, but good |
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| 15:15.04 | abrotman | Roey: so why are you complaining? :) |
| 15:15.14 | Roey | abrotman: because the backend doesn't exist. |
| 15:15.19 | Roey | abrotman: what, maybe as a webdav thing |
| 15:15.34 | abrotman | Roey: they've done it .. they don't work as well as you would expect |
| 15:15.36 | njan | petemc, What do you like about it? |
| 15:15.40 | Roey | abrotman: dah. |
| 15:15.58 | petemc | njan: its conformatable, big, looks ok |
| 15:16.14 | darxeth | sybariten: 1- why i dont need the server? 2- when i press on a torrent file link, i download the .torrent file, and when i press on that file it tells me with which program you wanna open it. what that means? |
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| 15:16.39 | njan | petemc, how drop/squash/sit/child/cat proof is it? |
| 15:17.10 | petemc | njan: i have a special pouch for my powerbook, its pretty sturdy |
| 15:17.56 | sybariten | darxeth: actually i dont know what kind of server you mean ... there is somehting called a tracker which is a sort of server i guess, and you definitely dont need your own tracker. the trackers are the places where torrents are hosted and overlooked. |
| 15:18.31 | Roey | abrotman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/X7gAw070.html |
| 15:18.35 | sybariten | darxeth i dont know what client you inhstalled, but are you OK with downloading the torrents manually instead of clicking them on webpages ? i mean, download the .torrent files and then downloading stuff manually ? |
| 15:18.55 | Roey | abrotman: I can do tagging using extended attributes |
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| 15:19.01 | Roey | abrotman: but the view-changing I can't do... |
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| 15:19.15 | njan | petemc, groovy, I'll see how incredibly overpriced they are in the UK :p |
| 15:19.36 | abrotman | Roey: i know what they are .. and how to use them .. they still suck :) |
| 15:19.49 | Roey | abrotman: how come? because it's slow to query? |
| 15:20.05 | petemc | njan: im in the uk, i paid £250 |
| 15:20.08 | abrotman | that's part of it .. it's a good idea .. the execution has failed up to this point |
| 15:20.17 | Roey | abrotman: but, I hope this gave you an idea of what I'm looking for. Just so that we're on the same page |
| 15:20.19 | Roey | ok |
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| 15:20.19 | njan | petemc, hmm. Drop the zero, and you have what I was looking at paying for the North Face bag off ebay ;p |
| 15:20.21 | Roey | abrotman: got it. |
| 15:20.25 | cryndes | hi |
| 15:20.43 | darxeth | sybariten: in windows you need to install somekind of server in order to be able to download torrent files. www.bittorrent.com. i downloaded the .torrent files, but when i clicked on it, it prompt me to which program i want to open it with, like it's just another unidentified program |
| 15:20.44 | abrotman | Roey: yeah .. i know what you meant .. but i haven't seen a decent implementation of it yet |
| 15:20.47 | cryndes | do i need irda drivers loaded into the kernel to use xawtv with a remote ? |
| 15:20.49 | Roey | abrotman: aaah ok |
| 15:21.02 | abrotman | Roey: not to say they don't exist .. i haven't seen it though |
| 15:21.09 | Roey | abrotman: maybe someday when we have all files loaded in meory at once... |
| 15:21.12 | Roey | *memory |
| 15:21.12 | sybariten | darxeth: yes, you need a torrent client... but not a server. same under win and *nix |
| 15:21.23 | Roey | abrotman: and we'll be able to just keep our personal archivable files in a database. |
| 15:21.35 | citral | until that... |
| 15:21.36 | abrotman | Roey: it will never happen .. disks are growing far faster than RAM |
| 15:21.38 | darxeth | sybariten: okay, i downloaded bittornado: apt-get install bittornado |
| 15:21.51 | darxeth | sybariten: but still not working |
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| 15:22.03 | abrotman | Roey: but hey .. nothign is stopping you from writing a PGSQL backend for xmms to put all your MP3s in a database :) |
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| 15:22.17 | Roey | abrotman: my vision is a bit larger than that |
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| 15:22.24 | abrotman | Roey: not quite the same .. but the idea gets started that way |
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| 15:22.32 | citral | darxeth: btdownloadcurse --max_upload_rate 13 file.torrent |
| 15:22.41 | citral | *btdownloadcurses |
| 15:23.01 | sybariten | darxeth: i dont know what you are trying to do when its "not working" .. but look at citrals comment |
| 15:23.02 | abrotman | Roey: when it happens .. and works well it will be good .. but it's still appearing hierarchical :) |
| 15:23.16 | darxeth | citral: whats that!? |
| 15:23.19 | Roey | abrotman: eh |
| 15:23.23 | sybariten | is there a fancy search syntax to "apt-cache search" ? i want to search for gnu screen but apt cache search screen , gives me a shitload |
| 15:23.33 | citral | darxeth: a command line... type it in a terminal |
| 15:23.35 | aidehua | My colleagues tease me when I bark at them for doing dpkg --force-depends. |
| 15:23.37 | abrotman | Roey: apparently the idea of a pile of documents .. but all different colors .. is messy to humans :) |
| 15:23.50 | aidehua | dpkg: I need emotional support please |
| 15:23.56 | darxeth | citral: i know but...... you know usually bittorrent files have big long names :P |
| 15:23.57 | Roey | abrotman: heirarchical is just a subset of relational where the elements appear as an ordered set (x/y/z/file is not the same as x/z/y/file) |
| 15:23.59 | pingouin_ | :) |
| 15:24.03 | Roey | abrotman: hehe |
| 15:24.04 | jair_11 | hello guys |
| 15:24.04 | citral | darxeth: TAB! |
| 15:24.05 | abrotman | aidehua: that is indeed the wrong thing to do |
| 15:24.25 | jair_11 | I finish the installation of the sarge netinst RC3 |
| 15:24.25 | abrotman | aidehua: systems get broken that way |
| 15:24.32 | darxeth | citral: i know but.. i'm using a browser not the terminal :) |
| 15:24.35 | jair_11 | I add the kernel 2.6 |
| 15:24.35 | abrotman | Roey: we like our structure .. sad but true |
| 15:24.37 | thingfish | aidehua: someday that practice will come back and bite them bigtime in the ass. |
| 15:24.54 | jair_11 | I install x-window-system-core |
| 15:25.06 | jair_11 | but when I reboot the machine I do not get any gui? |
| 15:25.06 | takatumi | sybariten: apt-cace show screen |
| 15:25.13 | takatumi | sybariten: apt-cache show screen |
| 15:25.15 | citral | darxeth: for example, the file is ~/Torrents/fkejfieizjfodjsqpf.torrent, just type ~/To<TAB>fke<TAB> |
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| 15:25.24 | abrotman | poop |
| 15:25.24 | jair_11 | I already install fluxbox too. |
| 15:25.27 | abrotman | i made a mistake |
| 15:25.29 | abrotman | grrrr |
| 15:25.46 | abrotman | fuck fuck fuck |
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| 15:25.52 | abrotman | grrr |
| 15:25.53 | batard | anyone ever heard of a sarge install screwing up an existing FC3 setup? |
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| 15:26.00 | citral | darxeth: what you mean "I'm using a browser"? konqueror or such shit? |
| 15:26.07 | darxeth | citral: yes |
| 15:26.08 | takatumi | !pal abrotman |
| 15:26.08 | thingfish | batard: that's a feature. |
| 15:26.12 | pingouin_ | nice nick batard |
| 15:26.14 | pingouin_ | ;) |
| 15:26.18 | abrotman | takatumi: it's database stuff .. i don't feel so bad :) |
| 15:26.20 | batard | thingfish: hehe |
| 15:26.24 | takatumi | abrotman: :) |
| 15:26.30 | batard | pingouin_ same to you. |
| 15:26.34 | sybariten | takatumi: "show" ? thats a new one .. thanks! |
| 15:26.36 | pingouin_ | ;) |
| 15:26.41 | abrotman | takatumi: but still .. a "fuck" nonetheless |
| 15:26.49 | takatumi | sybariten: man apt-cache, man apt-get, try aptitude |
| 15:26.50 | citral | darxeth: ok, an alternative is apt-get install bittornado-gui, fire it up, it will ask you for the file to open |
| 15:26.59 | jair_11 | anyone knows the steps to get the "fluxbox" run after I install all the sarge RC3 I install, x-window-system-core and also the gdm-themes? |
| 15:27.05 | sybariten | takatumi: can i be sure that installing "screen" wont give me something else now, that "show" gave me the right info ? |
| 15:27.21 | batard | so I install sarge, and FC3 suddenly thinks its filesystem is read-only. Bizarre. |
| 15:27.23 | abrotman | jair_11: maybe install gdm and fluxbox ? |
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| 15:27.27 | citral | jair_11: apt-get install x-windows-system-core fluxbox xfonts-artwiz |
| 15:27.30 | sybariten | takatumi: is aptitude an alternative "apt-client" .. ? and if so, is it console ? |
| 15:27.31 | abrotman | fuck fuck |
| 15:27.32 | abrotman | grr |
| 15:27.34 | darxeth | citral: oh ok... but the gui version is more comfortable, or dont you think so? |
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| 15:27.41 | thingfish | it looks like that Schiavo woman has died. |
| 15:27.43 | takatumi | sybariten: apt-cache show aptitude |
| 15:27.55 | diesel | I like watch utility. I would like to watch /var/log/syslog, but I get permission denied even as root. Any ideas why I get the permission denied message? |
| 15:28.02 | sybariten | takatumi: hehe ok |
| 15:28.04 | sybariten | thx |
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| 15:28.05 | citral | darxeth: no, it eats my RAM. I prefer btlaunchmanycurses in a terminal, to open many torrents at once |
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| 15:28.16 | jair_11 | abrotman, I am installing "gdm" now |
| 15:28.25 | sybariten | citral: dont forget screen combined with that ... mmmmm.... |
| 15:28.30 | jair_11 | citral, ok cool |
| 15:28.31 | citral | of course |
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| 15:28.54 | sybariten | i'm perhaps setting up a clandestine server today, for that ... |
| 15:28.55 | darxeth | citral: and this command "btdownloadcurses" works with all kinds of clients? |
| 15:29.19 | citral | darxeth: it's linked to bittorrent or bittornado, whichever you have |
| 15:29.25 | takatumi | and they say p2p traffic is going down. |
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| 15:29.31 | sybariten | darxeth: it IS the client |
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| 15:30.32 | stew | darxeth: do you mean will it work woth all other peers/trackers? then yes |
| 15:30.54 | sybariten | appearntly screen ships with a specific verison of "passwd" . it is now asking me if i want to upgrade my currenct version of passwd, something i've never run into before with apt. do you think its safe to answer NO ? |
| 15:30.58 | takatumi | !wajig |
| 15:31.11 | darxeth | oh ok.. i c |
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| 15:31.24 | caphuso | sybariten: screen does not ship with a "passwd" |
| 15:31.51 | darxeth | anyway i'll try this btdownloadcurses way i guess, since i'm trying to immegrate from the gui windows system to a non-gui system such as this :) |
| 15:32.02 | jair_11 | abrotman, so gdm is just the greeter? |
| 15:32.03 | sybariten | caphuso: ok, what is happening then ... when it is setting up passwd now |
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| 15:32.31 | caphuso | sybariten: what exactly did you type in to make that happen? |
| 15:32.35 | abrotman | jair_11: yes |
| 15:32.45 | sybariten | caphuso: apt-get install screen |
| 15:32.49 | sybariten | very complicated |
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| 15:32.55 | caphuso | sybariten: uhm |
| 15:33.11 | caphuso | sybariten: then screen Depends: on a passwd version that's newer than the one you have installed |
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| 15:33.19 | citral | it's normal |
| 15:33.22 | sybariten | yes, thats what i meant |
| 15:33.22 | citral | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libncursesw5 (>= 5.4-1), libpam0g (>= 0.76), base-passwd (>= 2.0.3.4), passwd (>= 1:4.0.3-10) |
| 15:33.23 | jair_11 | abrotman, if I want to review all the messages I get when the debian is booting where I shuld go, because the dmesg did not gave me the "errors messages that quickly appear and disappear at the boot process? |
| 15:33.24 | darxeth | citral, : i must first download the .torrent file to my hd and then btdownloadcurses it, right? |
| 15:33.41 | citral | yes |
| 15:33.41 | abrotman | jair_11: dmesg afaik |
| 15:33.45 | sybariten | caphuso : altough, before, when things have depended, apt hasnt asked me in this fashion |
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| 15:34.04 | sybariten | Configuration file `/etc/pam.d/chfn'rn ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.rn ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. |
| 15:34.07 | sybariten | etc etc |
| 15:34.18 | Roey | thingfish: state murder |
| 15:34.28 | citral | sybariten: well, did you modify it? |
| 15:34.29 | caphuso | sybariten: urgh, that's standard stuff there |
| 15:34.33 | takatumi | no wajig fans here? |
| 15:34.45 | sybariten | citral: well, its asking now ... |
| 15:35.05 | sybariten | caphuso : hmmm ok ... i've done some apt installs but never seen this question, anyhow |
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| 15:35.51 | citral | sybariten: you must understand... e.g. if you update ppp, and you modified /etc/ppp/chat-thing or whatever, it will ask you if you want to keep it or to replace the file with the new version shipped. Same here |
| 15:36.15 | caphuso | same everywhere |
| 15:36.26 | caphuso | and not specific to screen or passwd |
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| 15:36.59 | citral | sybariten: so the question is: did you manually change something in /etc/pam.d/chfn ? |
| 15:37.26 | darxeth | citral, : can i assign more than one torrent file name in a raw? |
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| 15:37.41 | sybariten | citral: oh ... no, havent changed any files there |
| 15:37.42 | citral | darxeth: read man btlaunchmanycurses |
| 15:37.47 | timop | the weirdest thing on my debbie, df -h shows; /dev/hda1 46G 44G 0 100% / .. how can this be? :) |
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| 15:38.08 | timop | cant write anything, rm:ng doesnt help |
| 15:38.18 | citral | sybariten: so you can probably safely answer "yes I want the new version of the file" |
| 15:38.21 | darxeth | citral, : oh yeah... sorry but you guys may bear with me a little cause i'm new in this, and i have'nt touched the linux since more 2 months.. :> |
| 15:38.28 | citral | sybariten: probably |
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| 15:38.31 | citral | not sure |
| 15:38.31 | akamedes | someone give me a hand with ident? |
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| 15:39.02 | citral | darxeth: you want to learn the command line? you must read the man pages. |
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| 15:39.06 | darxeth | why i keep cutting off the words outta sentinces!? damn i had an exam today! :S |
| 15:39.07 | sybariten | citral: ok |
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| 15:39.32 | darxeth | citral: yeah i know.. i meant that i keep forgetting such things.. |
| 15:40.23 | citral | darxeth: if I tell you now how to do that, you will come back in two hours with the same question... if you read the man page, you'll remember, or at least you know where to look |
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| 15:40.45 | darxeth | citral: like in windows there's no such thing called man or even help, everything runs infront of you, the only thing that runs behind your back is information that microsoft dont want you to know about them, like, loggs about your life, personal things, undeleted catch or cookie files... heh |
| 15:41.13 | citral | darxeth: not to say they are MANY options you may want to set up, like the minimum and maximum port and so |
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| 15:41.33 | lu | greetings, having a bit o trouble with a sound card.. lspci -v | grep audio tells me it's soundblaster live |
| 15:41.35 | darxeth | citral: yup.. i'm reading already |
| 15:41.47 | sybariten | citral: i dont totally agree. ... what was his specific question ... |
| 15:41.53 | darxeth | citral: i wish i read for my exam like i read about computers |
| 15:42.09 | lu | when i try to insmod emu10k1, i get alot of garbage |
| 15:42.10 | citral | sybariten: /lastlog darxeth |
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| 15:42.45 | stew | !insmod |
| 15:42.45 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 15:43.15 | stew | lu: ^^^ and what do you mean by garbage? |
| 15:43.28 | sybariten | citral: unkonwn command ... but it sounds funky |
| 15:43.39 | sybariten | i cant see him asking anything specific though |
| 15:43.51 | citral | <darxeth> citral, : can i assign more than one torrent file name in a raw? |
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| 15:44.42 | sybariten | citral: yes but you answered that didnt you'? or, well, you said read man ... but isnt it just btlaunchmanycurses file1.torrent file2.torrent file3.torrent etc .... |
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| 15:44.48 | citral | mmm I forgot how to do /lastog darxeth + citral |
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| 15:45.16 | citral | sybariten: no, read the man page :) |
| 15:45.19 | lu | well, repetitious /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/sound blah unresolved symbol ac97 or midi_synth |
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| 15:46.01 | timop | df -h shows: "/dev/hda1 46G 44G 0 100% /" how can this be? cant write, delling doesnt help. |
| 15:46.02 | akamedes | any have a clue why noone can run a reverse dns lookup on me? more likely a problem with my config or my isp? |
| 15:46.05 | stew | citral: did you forget how to do /help lastlog :) |
| 15:46.32 | stew | citral: /lastlog -regex (citral|darxeth) |
| 15:46.43 | citral | yeah the regex I meant, thanks |
| 15:46.46 | brosio | a good x-editor for java/c/c++ ? |
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| 15:47.08 | stew | brosio: xterm + (emacs|vim) |
| 15:47.12 | citral | brosio: nedit is not bad |
| 15:47.13 | lu | i've used bluefish but i don't know if does C++ or java |
| 15:47.21 | djg | Is this the best place to ask about d-i errors? |
| 15:47.21 | citral | only html |
| 15:47.32 | citral | djg: #debian-boot |
| 15:47.38 | djg | citral: Thanks. |
| 15:47.44 | citral | be nice to them |
| 15:47.46 | citral | :) |
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| 15:48.43 | sybariten | citral: ok .. i just had a vague memory of me oding that ... but i was mistaking then |
| 15:48.45 | brosio | thx |
| 15:48.59 | takatumi | citral: point them instead to the debian-boot mailing lists. |
| 15:48.59 | lu | sorry my nubness always confuses insmod with modprobe |
| 15:49.00 | brosio | just another question a repository with java ? |
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| 15:49.37 | citral | takatumi: complementary imo |
| 15:49.54 | djg | takatumi: I'll check there too. |
| 15:50.17 | takatumi | citral: the devs wanted #d-b for development. (shrug) |
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| 15:51.01 | citral | oh well, you are right then. |
| 15:51.06 | stephen_ | clustering help everyone.. |
| 15:51.08 | brosio | nobody known where could find a repository with a java package ? |
| 15:51.15 | lu | how do you restart sound? |
| 15:51.16 | stephen_ | does both servers have to be the same to do LVM |
| 15:51.22 | citral | lu: alsa? |
| 15:51.29 | lu | alsa, hmm |
| 15:51.44 | citral | if so, /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
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| 15:53.44 | forkqueue | brosio: Sounds like you need the java-package tool |
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| 15:54.50 | stephen_ | anyone here know much about clusters? |
| 15:55.17 | forkqueue | stephen_: I've done quite a bit of work with LVS |
| 15:55.42 | stephen_ | Ok.. |
| 15:55.49 | stephen_ | Does the machines have to be the same.. |
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| 15:55.51 | stephen_ | ie spec.. etc? |
| 15:55.54 | stew | stephen_: depends on if you mean parallel processing clusters or failover / loadbalancing |
| 15:56.01 | stephen_ | Well.. |
| 15:56.02 | stew | stephen_: no they don't |
| 15:56.12 | stephen_ | WE have two proliants .. |
| 15:56.15 | forkqueue | stephen_: No, but perhaps you could tell us what you're trying to do first? :) |
| 15:56.20 | abrotman | WE do do we? |
| 15:56.20 | stephen_ | we want to give out members virtual desktops.. |
| 15:56.29 | stephen_ | using vncserver.. |
| 15:56.40 | t0ffel | is there an apt-tool of some kind that will scan for and replace missing/corrupt files that are provided by already installed packages? |
| 15:56.42 | abrotman | remote X does'nt work? |
| 15:56.56 | stephen_ | Would it be wise to load balance or par? |
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| 15:57.00 | t0ffel | are/should be* |
| 15:57.13 | petemc | t0ffel: debsums checks installed packages integrity |
| 15:57.18 | tarzeau | t0ffel: hmmm you could make one easily yourself |
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| 15:57.32 | tarzeau | petemc: what about script/install script generated files? |
| 15:58.07 | petemc | tarzeau: dunno, get busy scripting something with md5sum :) |
| 15:58.15 | abrotman | stephen_: parallel is for computational stuff |
| 15:58.29 | stephen_ | so do you recommend load LVM? |
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| 15:59.08 | stephen_ | so do you recommend load LVS sorry |
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| 16:00.01 | forkqueue | I've never tried VNC with LVS, so I couldn't really comment |
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| 16:00.30 | stephen_ | does the LVS show as one machine? |
| 16:00.44 | forkqueue | stephen_: Sort of |
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| 16:01.13 | forkqueue | stephen_: Only from a network point of view (all machines have the same IP) |
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| 16:02.12 | lu | you know discover rocks man, it solved my probs |
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| 16:02.52 | stephen_ | Would you get better performance from each individual machine or single |
| 16:03.04 | stephen_ | lvs? |
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| 16:05.22 | stephen_ | no? |
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| 16:06.48 | dioneidy | hi |
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| 16:07.53 | burd | is there an app that can be used to check reverse dns records? |
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| 16:08.05 | dioneidy | i would like to know if there is a program which i can download music for linux |
| 16:08.10 | tarzeau | burd: sure, host |
| 16:08.16 | tarzeau | dioneidy: sure, wget |
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| 16:08.51 | dioneidy | i mean something like kazza, emule, filetopia, etc.... |
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| 16:09.08 | tarzeau | dioneidy: no idea |
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| 16:09.39 | dioneidy | wow |
| 16:09.45 | burd | dioneidy.. gtk-gnutella, Limewire for linux, mutella |
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| 16:09.58 | dioneidy | mutella |
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| 16:11.02 | dioneidy | let try mutella |
| 16:11.25 | t0ffel | what's the easiest way to check for missing files or reinstall everything? |
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| 16:12.17 | timop | df -h shows: "/dev/hda1 46G 44G 0 100% /" how can this be? cant write, delling doesnt help. |
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| 16:13.15 | asg | timop: there is a default 5% space reservation for root by default |
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| 16:13.41 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 16:13.44 | timop | asg: this was the case with another partition earlier too, which was not mounted as / |
| 16:13.46 | asg | abrotman: :) hiya |
| 16:13.54 | timop | now its just switched for some reason, other partition reads fine |
| 16:13.54 | abrotman | asg: have you noticed that dpkg like boddingtons and yuengling? |
| 16:14.06 | asg | timop: it is filesystem specific and 'root' above means user root, not '/' |
| 16:14.21 | asg | abrotman: yes, dpkg has its preferences |
| 16:14.23 | timop | asg, oh okey did not understand :) ill check into it. thanks |
| 16:14.37 | asg | timop: man tune2fs |
| 16:15.27 | dioneidy | i did an apt-get install mutella but i can't see it |
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| 16:16.38 | burd | dioneidy: see what? |
| 16:16.49 | dioneidy | mutella |
| 16:16.52 | dioneidy | the program |
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| 16:16.58 | burd | it didn't install or... |
| 16:17.15 | dioneidy | where is it installed |
| 16:17.26 | stew | dioneidy: dpkg -L mutella |
| 16:17.33 | burd | dioneidy: man mutella |
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| 16:18.02 | burd | you r thinking it is a click icon and play but it's not it is web based client you connect to through yur browser to search and download |
| 16:18.23 | burd | man I need a live spell checker |
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| 16:18.40 | asg | burd: you have one, it's called your brain |
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| 16:19.27 | dioneidy | i don't get it burd |
| 16:19.52 | burd | how bout going to the mutella site and reading a bit |
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| 16:20.13 | dioneidy | i was think about that |
| 16:20.19 | dioneidy | thinking |
| 16:20.21 | dioneidy | thanks |
| 16:20.35 | burd | yw and ty |
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| 16:21.11 | Bonedigger | hi there, is there any posibillity to start an application directly in a maximized window. i assume it's a X or gtk option |
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| 16:22.09 | burd | Bonedigger.. not sure what desktop your using but in KDE you can set it to remember where the app is at.. maximized etc etc |
| 16:22.39 | Bonedigger | i'm using xfce4 |
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| 16:23.09 | burd | no clue here I've only ever messed with that long enough to dislike it |
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| 16:26.13 | JohnGH | Does anyone have a recommendation of subversion over cvs, or vice-versa cvs over subversion - I've seen several projects which have switched to svn and presumably they have a reason - I'm willing to give it a shot if there's reasons to. |
| 16:26.33 | stew | JohnGH: yes subversion is nicer than cvs |
| 16:26.35 | anhi | does anyone know a good DVD Cover + Inlay design software for linux? |
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| 16:26.59 | JohnGH | stew: how? does it give free back rubs? |
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| 16:27.07 | genix_ | is there anyone here who know how to set up LAMP on Sarge (PHP 5, MySQL 4.1, Apache 1.3.3)? |
| 16:27.21 | stew | JohnGH: and a lot of people are also switching to arch or tla |
| 16:27.33 | JohnGH | mass exodus away from CVS huh? |
| 16:27.34 | stew | JohnGH: one biggie for me is that subversion has atomic change lists |
| 16:27.43 | asg | genix_: if you can stomach using php4.3.10, sarge has that, mysql 4.1 and apache 1.3.3x |
| 16:27.45 | stew | JohnGH: and subversion has rename and move |
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| 16:27.55 | JohnGH | that sounds good |
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| 16:28.04 | dippo | any ideas why chpasswd would set passwords that don't work? |
| 16:28.07 | Nijan | hello, i have some problems compiling dvd drivers, any idea? cadebian:/home/luca/.conf/modules/dvb-driver# make ...make: *** /home/luca/.conf/modules/dvb-driver/build-2.: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 16:28.12 | genix_ | asg: I need them with PHP 5 |
| 16:28.21 | asg | genix_: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 16:28.22 | JohnGH | it's a pain to have to delete something and check a new one in and loose all your history |
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| 16:28.36 | TinoW | or why tcptrace outputs files for xplot but xplot dont like them? ;) |
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| 16:28.56 | genix_ | asg: PHP 5 and Apache works for me, the problem is PHP 5 to work with MySQL 4.1 |
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| 16:29.11 | genix_ | asg: but you don't have a clue? |
| 16:29.25 | asg | genix_: the site mentioned in the factoid is where you need to go. |
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| 16:29.47 | Mardus | Hi. |
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| 16:30.02 | JohnGH | Does svn keep a meta directory in each directory like cvs does with its CVS/Entries,CVS/Root,CVS/Repository ? - that is often a pain because you can be places you don't want to leave that sitting around - e.g. webpages on the site. |
| 16:30.05 | burd | sounds like php doesnt have the mysql module set up or installed |
| 16:30.11 | stew | genix_: no php5 in debian. whatever php5 you are using probably needs to be compiled against different mysql-client libs |
| 16:30.23 | Mardus | I checked dmesg and it says the Linux version at the beginning and then root@zombie. Why zombie, is it common and if not, then could anyone have changed this? |
| 16:30.24 | stew | JohnGH: it creates a .svn directyr |
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| 16:30.43 | TinoW | john: it does but you can always export - and with SVN you can export locally, e.g. w/o repository |
| 16:30.43 | JohnGH | that's nicer than a directory in capitals at least! |
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| 16:30.56 | akamedes | I can't get a reverse dns on my host.. can someone tell me how i need to configure if i don't have a registerd domain? |
| 16:31.14 | tarzeau | akamedes: you run your own dns servers? it must be delegated to you |
| 16:31.16 | stew | akamedes: you need to talk to your isp about reverse dns |
| 16:31.17 | burd | akamedes.. your ISP manages your reverse DNS |
| 16:31.22 | genix_ | asg: so installing PHP 5 from a package is out for mysql these days |
| 16:31.29 | tarzeau | akamedes: read: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
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| 16:31.57 | JohnGH | Does it support anything like reading an environment variable for a default repository - so it keeps the state meta info in the repostitory and not in the cwd? |
| 16:32.02 | akamedes | is there any possibility a server on my computer is interfering? do i need to have an identd? |
| 16:32.02 | stew | akamedes: more specifically, type "whois 1.2.3.4" you need to talk to whomever controls that netblock |
| 16:32.25 | stew | akamedes: there is no such possibility |
| 16:32.32 | TinoW | john: you can set unlimited number of properties on the objects if that helps |
| 16:32.33 | akamedes | ok, thanks |
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| 16:32.58 | JohnGH | TinoW: I'm sure I'll be confused :o) |
| 16:33.18 | TinoW | JohnGH: also check out trac (trac.edgewall.com) for a nice frontend |
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| 16:33.37 | JohnGH | Where did anyone read how to set it up in the first place? is http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/svn-book.html#svn-ch-1-sect-7 the best place to go? or are there simpler ones? |
| 16:33.43 | asg | genix_: likely, unless dotdeb.org says otherwise. |
| 16:33.53 | akamedes | when i quit an IRC server while connecting it says QUIT: akamedes(babylon@philo) .. any possibility it's trying to look up that address? |
| 16:34.18 | Servo888 | Ok so I built a new kernel, and I booted it up. But I get a kernel panic because of a previous error of not being able to mount hde1. Well hde1 is on my promise controller card, whos driver is compiled into the kernel. I took a screen shot (http://www.garkei.com/vadim/p1110099.jpg) maybe that would help out. |
| 16:34.22 | burd | just a little info.. went thru a reversedns ordeal this morning.. called the ISP they say oh your dns servers manage that.. no they don't.. oh whoever you registerted your domain through does that.. no they don't... oh one minute we figured it out |
| 16:34.35 | Mardus | A google search shows that root@zombie in debian is common. |
| 16:35.00 | akamedes | ah.. yeah I emailed them and they didn't know what I was talking about.. thought I was complaining about a blocked port |
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| 16:35.24 | nydust | whare can i get a net install iso for sarge? |
| 16:35.25 | TinoW | bbl |
| 16:35.29 | Mardus | bye |
| 16:35.38 | tarzeau | nydust: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:35.43 | burd | akamedes: when i called them I had an email sitting in queue to AOL.. 15 minutes after I got off the phone it was mailed |
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| 16:35.45 | tarzeau | nydust: that's just a debian-installer |
| 16:35.55 | tarzeau | nydust: it will be used for sarge |
| 16:35.57 | akamedes | ah, very cool |
| 16:36.03 | dambodog | what is the command to redefine my xserver ? dpkg --reconfigure xf86config - i forgot:( |
| 16:36.06 | JohnGH | Servo888: you have a naff haircut |
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| 16:36.13 | tarzeau | dambodog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:36.19 | genix_ | asg: ok, then I know, thanks |
| 16:36.21 | dambodog | tarzeau, thx |
| 16:36.28 | nydust | thanks |
| 16:36.29 | tarzeau | dambodog: you should write it down somewhere |
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| 16:36.41 | JohnGH | Servo888: Are you booting with grub or LILO? |
| 16:36.49 | yoniserver2003 | hello can someone give me the terminal command to delete a non empty directory |
| 16:36.58 | tarzeau | yoniserver2003: rm -rf dir |
| 16:37.01 | asg | yoniserver2003: man rm |
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| 16:37.04 | yoniserver2003 | cool ! |
| 16:37.07 | yoniserver2003 | tks |
| 16:37.34 | burd | why the f.. just to make it happen no matter what? |
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| 16:38.07 | Servo888 | JohnGH, it's grub booting. |
| 16:38.08 | nose_linux | soy nobato en linux |
| 16:38.16 | JohnGH | yoniserver2003: if it's just a lot of empty directories with subdirectories you will like to read about man rmdir (look for -p option) as well |
| 16:38.20 | nose_linux | a ke chat entro por favor |
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| 16:38.28 | asg | !es |
| 16:38.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:38.49 | JohnGH | Servo888: Do you have a kernel that can read that filesystem? |
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| 16:39.18 | Servo888 | JohnGH, yup. |
| 16:40.11 | JohnGH | Servo888: next question... do you have a device file called /dev/hde1 ? |
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| 16:41.03 | Servo888 | JohnGH, when booting up another kernel, yes. But because of the panic I can't see if /dev/hde1 is brought up. |
| 16:41.17 | kurumin | ola |
| 16:41.31 | kurumin | como mudo o gerenciador de login do gdm pro kdm ? |
| 16:41.34 | Nijan | excuse me, i cannot have my dvb work, i downloaded dvb-driver-source with apt and i have dvb-driver.tar.bz2 i untar but make give me an error |
| 16:41.45 | burd | !es |
| 16:41.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:42.19 | kurumin | connect |
| 16:42.31 | Nijan | ...make: *** /home/luca/.conf/modules/dvb-driver/build-2.: No such file or directory. Stop. |
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| 16:42.50 | JohnGH | Servo888: are you certain that grub is telling the OS about the filesytems in the same order? perhaps it's /dev/hd(something else)1 ? |
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| 16:45.32 | JohnGH | kuramin: Pode falar inglês? |
| 16:45.43 | JohnGH | Servo888: Are you still here? |
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| 16:46.02 | Mardus | Hi again. |
| 16:46.17 | Mardus | What command to use to check how much free HDD space I have? |
| 16:46.25 | Servo888 | JohnGH, yes I'm just googling right now. But to answer your question I'm not sure if it's in the same order |
| 16:46.29 | JohnGH | Mardus df |
| 16:46.39 | ch_ | I've just installed gnome. When I startx, I get the gnome-debian splash screen, and that's it. Nothing else. any idea why? |
| 16:46.43 | Servo888 | JohnGH, is there a way to see how grub sees the available devices? |
| 16:46.45 | Mardus | JohnGH: Is that it? |
| 16:46.55 | JohnGH | Servo888: when you set up grub was that filesystem available? |
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| 16:47.21 | Mardus | JohnGH: I checked out already. Thanks. |
| 16:47.23 | JohnGH | Servo888: have a look in /boot/grub/device.map to see if its there |
| 16:47.37 | JohnGH | Mardus: you're welcome |
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| 16:49.51 | nanook | someone knows how to not "replaying journal" in every reboot even if shutdown was ok? |
| 16:50.19 | archpollux | nanook: huh? |
| 16:50.31 | Mardus | nanook: It depends on how you perform the computer shutdown. |
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| 16:51.18 | JohnGH | Mardus: it doesn't say so in the man page, but it stands for "disk free" - which should be easy to remember :o) |
| 16:51.31 | nanook | Mardus: from gdm, with root password |
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| 16:52.26 | Mardus | nanook: 'It' is the answer that depends on it. I can't help more, but replaying a journal is something that happens with a hard shutdown (from experience). I can't help you further with this, so someone else might help. |
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| 16:52.42 | Servo888 | JohnGH, one sec I was booting the wrong freaking kernel... |
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| 16:52.57 | Mardus | bye |
| 16:53.01 | nanook | archpollux: I've installed Sarge with Reiserfs, but it check the fs twice in every reboot, the first is ok, but the second says 'replaying journal' and stays like that for two minutes |
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| 16:53.11 | tabris|away | nanook: replaying journal takes a ocuple seconds... sometimes mebbe a minute. i fail to see how it is a problem |
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| 16:53.14 | Bac9 | are there known issues with adsl dropping after a certain amount of traffic? |
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| 16:53.40 | JohnGH | Servo888: hehehe |
| 16:53.44 | Chris``` | can anyone help please .. when i do "tar xzvf MTAServer-Linux-0.4.1.tar.gz" i get "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error" and "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--length error" |
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| 16:53.55 | nanook | i think it is too slow |
| 16:54.04 | tabris|away | Chris```: delete the file, re-download it. it's corrupted. nothing can be done but to redownload |
| 16:54.09 | thomas_adam | Chris```: Believe tar. Dowbload the file again. |
| 16:54.17 | Chris``` | will do |
| 16:54.22 | tabris|away | Chris```: if it's still corrupted, try another mirror or bug the author |
| 16:54.24 | archpollux | nanook: it always does that, that's how it checks if the journal was completely written to the HD |
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| 16:54.44 | Nijan | excuse me, i cannot have my dvb work, i downloaded dvb-driver-source with apt and i have dvb-driver.tar.bz2 i untar but make give me an error cat:" CVS/Root: No such file or directory" and others nsfod |
| 16:55.02 | archpollux | Nijan: DVB is in 2.6 |
| 16:55.40 | Nijan | i read :| The kernel sources (2.4.19 or newer) must be installed to compile |
| 16:55.43 | nanook | archpollux: ok, i thought that it was too slow, the hd is almost empty (20 gb) |
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| 16:56.14 | archpollux | Nijan: just run the 2.6 kernel, dude! |
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| 16:57.00 | Nijan | :~$ uname -r |
| 16:57.00 | Nijan | 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 16:57.22 | Nijan | with this i don't need to use the drivers? |
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| 16:57.56 | Chris``` | redownloaded it and it works now thanks guys |
| 16:58.06 | ch_ | can anyone help me please. When I start gnome, all I get is the splach screen, and nothing else. |
| 16:58.18 | Paikan | am i the only one with ugly fonts since the last upgrade? |
| 16:58.56 | JohnGH | ch_: I'd recommend quikeze or something like that - sounds like you've got gastric reflux |
| 16:59.29 | ch_ | JohnGH: what's quikeze? |
| 16:59.36 | takatumi | badger |
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| 16:59.55 | phig | anyone know how big the linux kernel can be on sparc? |
| 17:00.08 | JohnGH | ch_: It's for upset stomachs - you must have something wrong with your digestive system because stuff is repeating on you |
| 17:01.12 | Disputin | somewhere less than 2M I believe (sparc kernels) |
| 17:01.13 | takatumi | !qotd113 |
| 17:01.14 | dpkg | qotd113 is probably greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 17:01.20 | Disputin | make everything a module.... |
| 17:01.30 | JohnGH | takatumi: hehehehe |
| 17:01.41 | tabris|away | somebody taking my name in vain? |
| 17:01.43 | phig | when you make everything a module, how does it make the initrd? |
| 17:01.57 | Bac9 | is "pppoe: Session terminated -- received PADT from peer" a remotly initiated signal or a responce to some line error? |
| 17:02.17 | Disputin | dunno... |
| 17:02.33 | JohnGH | Servo888: How are you getting on? |
| 17:02.39 | ch_ | JohnGH: I'm asking for help, and you're talking about my digestive system??? |
| 17:02.56 | Disputin | initrd I don't have as amodule |
| 17:03.06 | JohnGH | ch_: you're repeating yourself, and asking "can anyone help me please" |
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| 17:03.32 | takatumi | ch_: try irc.gimp.org #gnome |
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| 17:03.45 | takatumi | or is it .net? dunno |
| 17:04.18 | phig | Disputin: Initrd is where all your modules go that the kernel needs to be able to boot up |
| 17:04.29 | phig | Disputin: If you make ext3 a module and root is on ext3, etc |
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| 17:04.30 | imachine | hm |
| 17:04.33 | imachine | pts/2 16:40 > glxgears /home/imachine |
| 17:04.34 | Disputin | yes |
| 17:04.35 | imachine | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 17:04.41 | imachine | can anyone suggest how to get dri working on debian? |
| 17:04.42 | Disputin | I DON"T have initrd as a module... |
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| 17:04.46 | imachine | i have a savage3d. |
| 17:05.07 | imachine | i *think* i will require xorg. |
| 17:05.13 | Disputin | if it itsn't critical for booting it's a module |
| 17:05.14 | phig | Disputin: .. i don't see why initrd would be a module :) but I'm not looking at kernel config atm either |
| 17:05.15 | imachine | but im not too sure. |
| 17:05.30 | imachine | linux kernel is weird. |
| 17:05.35 | imachine | i try to avoid it as much as i can. |
| 17:05.36 | imachine | :] |
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| 17:06.07 | JohnGH | imachine: don't worry, it thinks you're weird too! ;o) - You have to understand the kernel is swedish and thinks that way! |
| 17:06.46 | imachine | JohnGH: i dont care what a piece of code thinks about me, if even being able to perform such a state-of-the-art doing. |
| 17:06.54 | imachine | and. |
| 17:07.00 | imachine | i dont know how swedish it is really. |
| 17:07.03 | imachine | nor do i care either. |
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| 17:07.03 | Servo888 | JohnGH, ok I got it booting up just fine. Thanks for the help. |
| 17:07.09 | imachine | what i want is working dri. |
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| 17:07.28 | imachine | on my other systems. i do cd /usr/ports/graphics/dri && make install clean. |
| 17:07.32 | imachine | that is not linux however. |
| 17:07.37 | imachine | any suggestions then? |
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| 17:09.07 | imachine | also, how about cpufreq and the like? |
| 17:09.12 | imachine | is linux capable of doing that? |
| 17:09.30 | imachine | i have a laptop with advanced speedstep. |
| 17:09.38 | Anders1 | Linux supports cpufreq, yes. |
| 17:09.40 | imachine | i want it to step stuff according to whatever it is plugged in as. |
| 17:09.46 | imachine | cool. |
| 17:09.59 | imachine | Anders1: does debian? and if so, is there a faq you can point me to? |
| 17:10.06 | Anders1 | well |
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| 17:10.15 | imachine | i use sarge with 2.6 |
| 17:10.15 | Anders1 | you need to have cpufreq compiled into your kernel |
| 17:10.20 | Anders1 | then apt-get install cpufreqd |
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| 17:10.26 | JohnGH | Servo888: you're welcome, and I'm pleased to hear it :o) |
| 17:10.26 | imachine | okay. |
| 17:10.43 | Anders1 | and if you use gnome, gnome-cpufreq-applet |
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| 17:11.05 | imachine | great :) what about kde? this is a uniform systtem im building. |
| 17:11.13 | imachine | i want both kde and gnome possibilities :) |
| 17:11.21 | Anders1 | i dont know about KDE |
| 17:11.25 | imachine | okay. |
| 17:11.35 | Anders1 | with cpufrequtils you can control the cpu freq stuff |
| 17:11.49 | imachine | cool. |
| 17:11.51 | Raenius | how do I add a non free repository to debian?? |
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| 17:12.03 | Anders1 | Raenius: you add it to sources.list |
| 17:12.06 | Anders1 | (ofc) |
| 17:12.06 | imachine | i would say man apt-get |
| 17:12.12 | imachine | but this is not *bsd. |
| 17:12.18 | imachine | so i dont know how reliable the manuals are ;) |
| 17:12.34 | Anders1 | they are quite reliable |
| 17:12.36 | imachine | w00t. packages almost done. |
| 17:12.46 | Raenius | Better question where do I go to find the mirror available |
| 17:12.46 | imachine | 250Mb. downloaded again. |
| 17:12.48 | imachine | crazy :] |
| 17:12.50 | Anders1 | apt-get is quite similar to ports anyway |
| 17:12.52 | Raenius | mirrors |
| 17:12.56 | imachine | Raenius: www.apt-get.org |
| 17:13.00 | Anders1 | Raenius: google for Debian APT mirrors, or apt-get.org |
| 17:13.04 | imachine | Anders1: well. not really. it is cool tho. |
| 17:13.05 | imachine | ;) |
| 17:13.08 | Raenius | thanks... |
| 17:13.14 | imachine | Anders1: its like pkg_add -r in freebsd. |
| 17:13.14 | imachine | ;] |
| 17:13.23 | Anders1 | imachine: for searching for a specific package: apt-cache search <pattern> |
| 17:13.24 | imachine | only i have to say, a bit better. ;) |
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| 17:13.36 | Anders1 | for showing information about a package, apt-cache show <package> |
| 17:13.38 | Anders1 | etc |
| 17:13.42 | Anders1 | quite nice :) |
| 17:13.55 | Anders1 | and for the FreeBSD users there are a FreeBSD port of Debian |
| 17:14.00 | Anders1 | im using it on an extra computer atm |
| 17:14.24 | Anders1 | a bit of a mess to install however |
| 17:14.39 | imachine | FreeBSD port of debian? |
| 17:14.42 | Anders1 | yeah |
| 17:14.43 | imachine | never heard. |
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| 17:14.49 | Anders1 | http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd |
| 17:14.52 | imachine | Anders1: its one of those crippled ports? |
| 17:14.55 | imachine | oh. |
| 17:15.12 | Anders1 | erm |
| 17:15.13 | Anders1 | http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 17:15.38 | darxeth | umm.. how can i add a language? lets say.. i want to write a small article in arabic in aby's word editor... or wanna write german in MSN (gaim) ... |
| 17:15.40 | imachine | linux lack responsiveness under heavy i/o load in my taste. |
| 17:15.40 | imachine | i dont like it too much ;/ |
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| 17:16.11 | Anders1 | im atm learning BSD, but i think using Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is the wrong way of learning it :) |
| 17:16.51 | Anders1 | im going to install the Hurd later, for a complete GNU system : |
| 17:16.52 | Anders1 | :) |
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| 17:17.53 | darxeth | does anybody knows how to do that? |
| 17:18.16 | asg | darxeth: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:18.30 | citral | why do women make so much stress? |
| 17:18.53 | asg | citral: one of the mysteries of life. |
| 17:19.10 | anhi | cos they have 1-4 days less of each month to do what they want ;) |
| 17:19.25 | Anders1 | lol |
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| 17:20.18 | Xenguy | cos they ain't tomcats ;-) |
| 17:20.19 | Phated | Cos men like these exist. :) |
| 17:20.38 | asg | Phated: touché |
| 17:22.03 | Roey | citral: what's definitely cool for you? |
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| 17:23.08 | citral | Roey: equal the level of stress they try to "give" you, stay quiet, do things good even if it's slow... |
| 17:23.38 | citral | and try to be nice to everyone, even the people who are stressing you |
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| 17:23.57 | valdyn | darxeth: if the specific application doesnt support switching languages itelf, you can "dpkg-reconfigure locales", pick the locales you want supported and case by case start applications w/ "LC_ALL=whatever <application>". Text programs however *should* support selecting a language within themselves |
| 17:24.14 | Roey | citral: that's definitely something worth repeating: |
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| 17:24.41 | Roey | citral: respond kindly, cheerfully even, to those who are stressing you. |
| 17:24.48 | valdyn | darxeth: w/ text prorams i mean stuff like abiword, openoffice, and such |
| 17:25.01 | citral | yeah, give them love. nothing better to do. |
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| 17:25.22 | Roey | citral: they are probably just using you as a sounding board anyway, so why not? |
| 17:25.30 | citral | and if it doesn't work, go make a pause :)) |
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| 17:26.40 | elsidi | hello, i just catted pub ssh keys to authorized_keys on two hosts, but am still gettting prompted for passwords. any ideas what is wrong? |
| 17:26.51 | valdyn | darxeth: for networked things, most that matters is the underlying protocal and how/if it supports various encodings |
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| 17:29.03 | valdyn | darxeth: i havent got the slightest idea if MSN supports unicode or utf-8 or whatever |
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| 17:32.20 | jvw | msn should work fine with unicode afaik |
| 17:32.25 | imachine | Anders1: hehehe. this is weird. |
| 17:32.35 | imachine | Anders1: i still like better the freebsd original version ;) |
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| 17:34.36 | sybec | for a new debian install .. what version should one go with ? |
| 17:34.47 | valdyn | !d-i sybec |
| 17:34.48 | dpkg | sybec, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:34.54 | stew | sybec: server or workstation? |
| 17:35.02 | sybec | workstation |
| 17:35.06 | stew | sybec: then yeah, what dpkg said |
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| 17:36.52 | sybec | ok |
| 17:36.53 | sybec | thanks |
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| 17:37.27 | Chris``` | is there a config file or sumthing to choose wich users ha access to what folders and what they can do for example write.. overwrite .. for ftp |
| 17:37.40 | Chris``` | have* |
| 17:37.51 | valdyn | Chris```: chmod |
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| 17:37.59 | zuralin | there called file permissions |
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| 17:38.08 | Chris``` | for ftp ? |
| 17:38.13 | pingouin_ | depends on frp server also no ? |
| 17:38.19 | pingouin_ | s/frp/ftp |
| 17:38.41 | stew | !WikiFaq Chris``` Permissions |
| 17:38.42 | dpkg | Chris```: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:38.50 | gnomon | Has anyone else here run into problems with the blosxom 2.0-10 package? I use the program, but not the package, and am trying to run down some information about breakages on Dreamhost for the Blosxom mailing list. |
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| 17:38.59 | pingouin_ | i've run vsftp once, allow to tweak right for each user |
| 17:39.12 | Chris``` | thanks |
| 17:39.30 | stew | gnomon: check the bts |
| 17:39.43 | gnomon | stew, please pardon my ignorance - bts? |
| 17:39.44 | Chris``` | i teried vsftpd but even tho in the config i to allow local logins it still said they were disabled when i tried to login |
| 17:39.57 | Chris``` | tried* |
| 17:40.00 | stew | gnomon: /msg dpkg bts ; (its in the /topic) |
| 17:40.01 | green_earz | Chris```: have a look at proftpd for control over what can be ftp |
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| 17:40.28 | sakis | a |
| 17:40.37 | asg | b |
| 17:40.40 | gnomon | stew, brilliant. I'm sorry I missed that. |
| 17:40.41 | Chris``` | c |
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| 17:40.57 | Chris``` | wb dvs |
| 17:41.00 | Rawplayer | thanks |
| 17:41.05 | gnomon | stew, the situation is, though, that I know what the problems are. They're all noted in the changelog. |
| 17:41.15 | dvs | Chris```: Thanks. |
| 17:41.24 | gnomon | stew, what I'm looking for is someone else who uses the package and has overcome the recently-introduced problems. |
| 17:41.47 | gnomon | stew, that said, I'll look through the existing resource you just pointed me towards before asking any more silly questions. |
| 17:42.03 | stew | gnomon: if there are known workarounds to bugs filed in the bts they will be in the bts |
| 17:42.31 | sakis | does anybody know when kde 3.4 will be released for Debian Sarge? |
| 17:42.37 | stew | sakis: never |
| 17:42.40 | dvs | sakis: never |
| 17:42.44 | pingouin_ | Chris```: in case of.....http://www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/ftp-server.htm#_Toc92808801 |
| 17:42.52 | sakis | never? How coem? |
| 17:43.05 | dvs | sakis: Too late in the development process |
| 17:43.11 | stew | sakis: its too new, and sarge is too close to release, it will probably enter unstable after sarge releases |
| 17:43.21 | stew | (we at least hope sarge is close to release :) |
| 17:43.33 | brainZzZ | setting labratories on fire to release animals .. fascist behavior |
| 17:43.36 | pipeline | If KDE 3.4 makes it into Sarge, we may as well ginve up hope :P |
| 17:43.43 | dvs | stew: Don't tease us. ;-) |
| 17:43.47 | asg | brainZzZ: ? |
| 17:44.08 | sakis | I see, so in order to use kde 3.4 we have to wait untill sarge is released |
| 17:44.10 | stew | sakis: /topic #debian-kde |
| 17:44.19 | sakis | and upload to unstable |
| 17:44.24 | dvs | sakis: Yes |
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| 17:44.28 | sakis | stew: thanks for the link |
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| 17:45.08 | stew | pipeline: they probably said that about gnome-2.6 too :) |
| 17:45.09 | Chris``` | can anyone point me in the right direction for stopping my shoutcast server (the executable is sc_serv) |
| 17:45.32 | asg | Chris```: man kill, man pkill |
| 17:45.33 | stew | Chris```: /etc/init.d/shoutcast stop or somehting similar |
| 17:45.49 | F-Lelo | hello there! :) I have to install debian on a Ahtlon 64 and I want to know if there is anything I need to know before installing it no this architecture to make it run faster, such as kernel support for 64bit, etc |
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| 17:45.56 | asg | F-Lelo: #debian-amd64 |
| 17:46.04 | F-Lelo | thanks asac |
| 17:46.06 | F-Lelo | ops |
| 17:46.07 | F-Lelo | asg/ |
| 17:46.09 | F-Lelo | :) |
| 17:46.13 | sakis | I've already put 'pkg-kde.alioth...' in my sources.list. Shouldn't I be able to use kde 3.4 yet? |
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| 17:46.37 | stew | sakis: according to the #debian-kde topic you should. if you are having problems, ask them |
| 17:47.11 | Phated | Well, you'd generally have to upgrade your system first. |
| 17:47.27 | sakis | phated: do you mean going to unstable? |
| 17:47.48 | takatumi | !faq sakis |
| 17:47.49 | dpkg | sakis: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:47.49 | Phated | No, I mean apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 17:49.15 | sakis | Ok, thanks everybody for the (helpful) links/answers. Sorry if I asked the same questions others did. |
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| 18:00.50 | stew | what do you think the chances are that FREEWEBCAM has a debian question? |
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| 18:01.01 | stew | FREEWEBCAM: ever hear of Turing and his famous test? |
| 18:01.13 | stew | FREEWEBCAM: do you think you could pass such a test? |
| 18:01.13 | brainZzZ | diets..another thing that sells well...ever hear of just good eating habits? |
| 18:02.16 | asg | !qotd112 |
| 18:02.16 | dpkg | < greycat> Venusbeauty: frigidaire < FieldySnuts> greycat: who's here < greycat> FieldySnuts: ssh, we're turing testing. < Venusbeauty> a very good links < Venusbeauty> to see me -!- mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ < Venusbeauty> ey ey < Venusbeauty> you love < Venusbeauty> ?? -!- Venusbeauty was kicked from #debian by greycat [turing test result: failed.] |
| 18:02.32 | FREEWEBCAM | hi |
| 18:02.49 | FREEWEBCAM | do u wanna msnger womans whýth me |
| 18:02.57 | asg | FREEWEBCAM: no, go away to #shell |
| 18:02.57 | stew | !ops FREEWEBCAM |
| 18:02.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: FREEWEBCAM |
| 18:03.12 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 18:03.13 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.99.158.202] by helix |
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| 18:03.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 18:03.22 | asg | helix: thanks |
| 18:03.25 | helix | np |
| 18:03.31 | brainZzZ | [rd] now playing: jordan chanpk - (radio.d2u.net/) |
| 18:03.35 | helix | brainZzZ: don't do that |
| 18:03.36 | dvs | huh? Did I miss something? |
| 18:03.38 | asg | brainZzZ: we don't care |
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| 18:03.47 | brainZzZ | helix: don't do that, i hear prostitutes in canada don't last long |
| 18:03.53 | brainZzZ | asg: we are in love, and we don't care who knows it ! |
| 18:04.04 | helix | brainZzZ: owner |
| 18:04.09 | helix | hmm |
| 18:04.09 | brainZzZ | with hideuser i have to change the ownership of the directory. don't think i want that |
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| 18:04.38 | genix_ | How can I find my libxml2 install dir? |
| 18:04.46 | asg | genix_: dpkg -L <pkg> |
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| 18:05.15 | genix_ | asg: thanks, (im about to install php with support for mysql) |
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| 18:07.04 | leo\out | [20:08] <eXCaLiBuR> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 18:07.30 | asg | !ops eXCaLiBuR |
| 18:07.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: eXCaLiBuR |
| 18:07.39 | Ketter | leo\out: wow.. your helping eXCaLiBuR out with the advertisements ? ;) |
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| 18:08.16 | genix_ | asg, that didn't gave me any install dir but Name/version/description |
| 18:08.38 | asg | genix_: dpkg -L not dpkg -l |
| 18:08.54 | genix_ | asg: sorry |
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| 18:12.53 | jethro | hi |
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| 18:15.18 | stephen_ | firewall help.. just want to drop everything in and out except port 22 |
| 18:15.22 | asg | stephen_: #iptables |
| 18:15.23 | stephen_ | I have several examples written and tested but they dont work.. |
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| 18:15.42 | stephen_ | thanks! |
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| 18:16.38 | honschu | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8.honschu1/build M=/home/honschu/honni_mame_kernelmodule modules |
| 18:16.38 | honschu | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8' |
| 18:16.38 | honschu | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/home/honschu/honni_mame_kernelmodule/honni_mame_kernelmodule.c', needed by `/home/honschu/honni_mame_kernelmodule/honni_mame_kernelmodule.o'. Stop. |
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| 18:17.42 | elpha | hey, i have a real basic question, but i'm having touble finding the answer... |
| 18:17.51 | stephen_ | heya.. #iptables no one is answering.. |
| 18:18.01 | asg | stephen_: give them time |
| 18:18.01 | stephen_ | can someone please help me with a simple iptables script |
| 18:18.14 | stephen_ | ok.. |
| 18:18.15 | stephen_ | thanks |
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| 18:18.29 | takatumi | honschu: trying to compile a third party module? |
| 18:18.38 | honschu | yes, my own |
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| 18:18.55 | takatumi | honschu: against a kernel-source? |
| 18:19.01 | honschu | takatumi, it's from sarge kdevelop 3.0 (new project) |
| 18:19.10 | honschu | takatumi: Yes, I installed the debian kernel-source |
| 18:19.15 | elpha | i'm running vsftpd as a daemon, how do i make changes to it? do i have to kill it and make changes to the .conf? and then restart it? |
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| 18:19.32 | dvs | module-assisstant? |
| 18:19.35 | takatumi | honschu: and compiled the kernel-source? |
| 18:19.36 | asg | elpha: make changes to the conf then restart it vi /etc/init.d/foo |
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| 18:19.48 | streetbmx | ive just installed sarge and, when I use less/man I cant scroll down with pagedown or the down arrow. only the enter key work. is there a way to change this? |
| 18:19.51 | honschu | takatumi: http://www.dirac.org/linux/writing/lkmpg/2.6/lkmpg-2.6.0.html#AEN44 |
| 18:19.53 | asg | elpha: often 'kill -HUP <pidof process>' works too but the man page should tell you. |
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| 18:20.16 | dvs | streetbmx: Set the PAGER environment variable to "less" |
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| 18:20.48 | streetbmx | dvs: opk thanks |
| 18:21.14 | elpha | asg: ok, i think that answers it |
| 18:21.16 | dvs | streetbmx: np |
| 18:21.20 | elpha | asg: thanks |
| 18:21.36 | honschu | takatumi: May you help me? |
| 18:21.55 | takatumi | honschu: try module-assistant or compile your own kernel. |
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| 18:22.12 | honschu | I compiled my own kernel from kernel-source |
| 18:22.24 | honschu | it's still running |
| 18:23.20 | honschu | takatumi: The problem is that the created standard project of Kdevelop 3.0 doesn't "make" a 3rd-party module with "make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8.honschu1/build M=/home/honschu/honni_mame_kernelmodule modules" |
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| 18:24.20 | gulancho | how do i see the section 3 of the printf manpage ? |
| 18:24.29 | honschu | Can anybody help me? |
| 18:24.32 | streetbmx | dvs: what is the default pager set as? |
| 18:24.33 | dvs | gulancho: man 3 printf |
| 18:24.38 | dvs | streetbmx: more |
| 18:24.39 | gulancho | thank you |
| 18:24.46 | streetbmx | alright |
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| 18:25.39 | valdyn | honschu: writing and compiling kernel modules is OT here, try #linux or somesuch |
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| 18:26.27 | zorton | if my machine supports PXE network booting do I have to use it? or can I just use straight tftpd? |
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| 18:27.07 | p88 | directhex|work: I told you about unicode_start in /etc/init.d/rc... this is a bad idea it will give you harmless warnings at the system boot. A better way is to make a new script and have it be called as the last thing to be called in each runlevel. |
| 18:27.21 | p88 | directhex: same thing ;) |
| 18:27.26 | valdyn | honschu: or kernelnewbies.org |
| 18:27.37 | valdyn | honschu: or http://kernelnewbies.org |
| 18:28.06 | misfitx7 | can someone tell me why, when booting the kernel i just made, it says it can find modules.dep |
| 18:28.14 | misfitx7 | it is there |
| 18:28.33 | honschu | valdyn: I'm still trying to do it the "http://www.dirac.org/linux/writing/lkmpg/2.6/lkmpg-2.6.0.html#AEN410" way |
| 18:28.34 | p88 | can = can't? |
| 18:28.50 | misfitx7 | yeah sorry |
| 18:28.56 | misfitx7 | cant find it |
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| 18:29.21 | valdyn | honschu: i have no idea about writiing kernel, modules, and its offtopic here |
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| 18:30.14 | honschu | valdyn, ok thx - I'll try and error ;) |
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| 18:31.07 | misfitx7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:31.12 | SmerdyOffice | What's the easiest way to read the contents of a floppy disk directly, i.e., as a single file? |
| 18:31.28 | Servo888 | Anybody know why running make on a kernel tree that has already been compiled (only added an option), would cause the entire kernel to get recompiled? |
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| 18:31.36 | valdyn | misfitx7: which debian release? which was old and which is your new kernel version? |
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| 18:32.29 | misfitx7 | sarge its a newly compiled 2.6.8 |
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| 18:32.45 | guest_438 | BSD is dying!!!11 |
| 18:32.48 | dvs | misfitx7: Why compile 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 18:32.48 | guest_438 | erm, sorry, wrong channel |
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| 18:32.57 | valdyn | misfitx7: and which was the old one? |
| 18:33.15 | fflush | guest_438: you will die, and BSD will still exist, just like cobol |
| 18:33.20 | misfitx7 | its a mac |
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| 18:34.16 | misfitx7 | the old one was 2.6.8-powerpc |
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| 18:35.11 | misfitx7 | im trying to get kismet to work |
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| 18:35.25 | misfitx7 | doesnt work with the orinoco drivers |
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| 18:36.44 | misfitx7 | not really sure what i doing, just trying what i find on the net |
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| 18:37.22 | misfitx7 | i asked in here but got no response |
| 18:38.23 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 18:38.39 | elephantman | Does "deborphan" has to be used with "apt-get remove" ? |
| 18:38.53 | elephantman | Like "deborphan -a | apt-get remove" |
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| 18:39.15 | elephantman | I want to remove unused packages |
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| 18:40.23 | Jon | good evening all |
| 18:40.41 | dvs | Jon: evening? It's only afternoon. Are you blind? ;-) |
| 18:40.48 | valdyn | elephantman: why dont you read the documentation to deborphan? |
| 18:41.00 | elephantman | valdyn: i did it |
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| 18:41.23 | Jon | dvs: no, just english. thus, selectively :) |
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| 18:42.30 | mops | how can I downgrade package to STABLE version from my sarge distro? |
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| 18:42.44 | mops | concretly: libflash-mozplugin & libflash0 |
| 18:43.04 | arnau_ | #debain.es |
| 18:43.16 | arnau_ | #debian.es |
| 18:43.23 | mops | that was for me please? |
| 18:43.41 | abrotman | mops: install them then hold them |
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| 18:44.12 | valdyn | elephantman: try "deborphan | xargs dpkg --remove" |
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| 18:44.43 | valdyn | elephantman: but |
| 18:44.47 | elephantman | valdyn: can this be dangerous ? |
| 18:45.05 | valdyn | elephantman: yes, since deborphan does not "remove unused packages" |
| 18:45.22 | valdyn | elephantman: or "list unused packages" thats not what it doe |
| 18:45.24 | valdyn | elephantman: or "list unused packages" thats not what it does |
| 18:45.38 | ir0n | how to config the mouse ? |
| 18:45.53 | dvs | !wayttd ir0n |
| 18:45.54 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ir0n? |
| 18:46.05 | elephantman | valdyn: it list orphan packages |
| 18:46.11 | ir0n | i want to configure my mouse its not working |
| 18:46.32 | djw | public away message are bad 'mkay |
| 18:46.35 | valdyn | elephantman: it lists libary packages on which no package depends on |
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| 18:46.55 | valdyn | elephantman: but i use and need gstreamer0.8-lame even if nothing depends on it |
| 18:47.14 | ir0n | ? |
| 18:47.34 | valdyn | elephantman: type "orphaner" |
| 18:47.36 | elephantman | valdyn: someone here told me to use this app - My aim was to remove from my system never used packages |
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| 18:47.53 | subopt | Is there any way to send a window from my display :0.0 to :0.1, or vice versa? |
| 18:47.55 | elephantman | valdyn: so deborphan is no help for me |
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| 18:48.10 | valdyn | elephantman: its an assistant in doing that, but it cannot guess what you use and what you dont use |
| 18:48.23 | ir0n | does anyone know how to configure the mouse !? |
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| 18:48.48 | elephantman | valdyn: ok but, as you said, there is no relation between dependencies and usage. So how can it help ? |
| 18:48.49 | nolf | **snd_pcm_open()failed** - check if another device is usin pcm already............ |
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| 18:49.13 | nolf | how do i rectify this with xine |
| 18:49.37 | valdyn | elephantman: im able to see which of those package i need and which i dont, getting a short list helps. |
| 18:49.59 | netbrain | if i want to install the core window system and core of gnome. what should i apt get? |
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| 18:50.08 | valdyn | elephantman: naturally libc6-i686 is listed too ), i NEED that |
| 18:50.38 | elpha | asg: hey.. /etc/init.d/vsftpd command isn't working |
| 18:50.52 | elephantman | valdyn: well ok - so its a case by case decision. Not very usefull on a 4000 package system |
| 18:50.54 | tarheelcoxn | can somebody tell me why flash breaks firefox and galeon? |
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| 18:51.02 | pi_ | Hello |
| 18:51.05 | elephantman | valdyn: thanx |
| 18:51.05 | pi_ | I have a simple question. |
| 18:51.10 | tarheelcoxn | this only happens if I have music running |
| 18:51.12 | valdyn | elephantman: indeed |
| 18:51.17 | elpha | asg: i can kill it and restart, but i don't think it's using init, i think its running standalone |
| 18:51.18 | pi_ | I'm trying to get the latest version of spamassassin installed. |
| 18:51.27 | asg | elpha: check /etc/inetd.conf |
| 18:51.31 | asg | elpha: it might be running from there |
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| 18:51.50 | pi_ | but when i try and apt-get install spammassassin from the unstable branch.. it wants to install loads of stuff that I've already got installed.. including apache and apache-ssl. |
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| 18:51.53 | tourinho | hello all |
| 18:52.10 | valdyn | ir0n: can you tell how many people your vagueness killed so far? |
| 18:52.13 | pi_ | Will this mess up my current configurations/settings that I have for these packages that are already installed? |
| 18:52.25 | BadMan | ir0n: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:52.38 | tourinho | Im getting "unable to mount root fs on sda4" can anyone help me? |
| 18:52.50 | ir0n | thanks BadMan is that a hard question !? |
| 18:52.52 | tourinho | with kernel 2.6.5 |
| 18:53.02 | huhcool | hey guys what does it mean when i'm running a ./configure script and i'm gettin the error "error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" ? i'm also gettin a similar error when i try to use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:53.03 | valdyn | tourinho: you just compiled it? |
| 18:53.34 | tourinho | valdyn yes.. im trying to recompile it and enable SCSI support |
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| 18:53.43 | valdyn | !b-e huhcool |
| 18:53.43 | dpkg | huhcool: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 18:54.06 | pi_ | ? |
| 18:54.33 | huhcool | okay i'm installing build-essential in my root window right now |
| 18:54.34 | deigo | I have wu-ftpd on 2 seperate servers screwing up, its seems to be ignoring the ftpaccess file's directives to allow overwriting and deleting. I am of course sure that the -a flag is being passed to it. |
| 18:54.38 | valdyn | tourinho: that error can mean 3 things a) your root isnt on /dev/sda4 b) you didnt compile in your disk interface driver ( y, _not_ m or n ), c) you didnt compile in your filesystem driver |
| 18:54.43 | huhcool | thats probably my problem |
| 18:54.48 | deigo | this is only since an upgrade using apt-get upgrade |
| 18:54.49 | elpha | asg: uhh, it doesn't look like it |
| 18:55.04 | deigo | is there some mechanism to possibly roll back to an earlier version or something similiar? |
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| 18:55.21 | asg | elpha: hmmmm |
| 18:55.42 | pi_ | Can anyone spare the time to help? |
| 18:55.44 | ACiDC0re | anyone managed to compile hpt374 controller driver under kernel 2.6.10 and up ? |
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| 18:55.47 | dudy | hello, i killed -9 a process but it still won't die.. any suggestions? |
| 18:55.50 | valdyn | tourinho: why should a recompile be needed for scsi support? |
| 18:55.52 | darxeth | does anybody knows how to add new language? for example i want to start writing german in aby's word editor, or in gaim... |
| 18:56.00 | elpha | asg: to get it running, i just type "vsftpd" |
| 18:56.01 | Rez | dudy: is it in state 'D'? |
| 18:56.01 | tourinho | valdyn i have condif_scsi_sata = y |
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| 18:56.14 | tourinho | config_ext3_fs = y |
| 18:56.28 | asg | elpha: oh, then /etc/init.d/foo won't be easily able to kill it since it didn't write it's pid in /var/run/foo |
| 18:56.28 | dudy | Rez: no it's: 6252 ? SW< 24:30 [loop6] |
| 18:56.29 | tourinho | and /dev/sda to mount / |
| 18:56.41 | asg | elpha: kill the running process and use /etc/init.d/vsftpd start (to start it) |
| 18:56.41 | Rez | dudy: you can't kill kernel processes. |
| 18:56.51 | elpha | asg: ahhhhhh |
| 18:56.53 | dudy | hum |
| 18:57.07 | dudy | Rez: so how can i get rid of it? |
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| 18:57.18 | dudy | Rez: normally it shoulod disappear by umounting the dir |
| 18:57.18 | Rez | dudy: umount the loop mount using it. |
| 18:57.34 | dudy | Rez: but it won't though ;/ |
| 18:57.38 | Rez | I wouldn't worry about it. |
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| 18:58.25 | valdyn | tourinho: your sata driver? |
| 18:58.25 | dudy | ok.. |
| 18:58.25 | mops | how can I install a specific version of pkg? |
| 18:58.25 | mops | I did: apt-get install libflash0/stable |
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| 18:58.33 | Chris``` | he ycan anyone help i am using vsftpd and my friend is trying to access the ftp using his user account and its getting to "listing directory" and it just stays there and eventually times out |
| 18:58.33 | tourinho | valdyn intel 82801 |
| 18:58.37 | valdyn | tourinho: like CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_PROMISE=y for a promise controller |
| 18:58.44 | mops | and I told to me that it cannot find the stable release |
| 18:58.47 | mops | please help me |
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| 18:58.57 | asg | Chris```: does it work if you use PASV ftp mode? |
| 18:58.58 | pi_ | I just need to know if apt-get will overwrite my configuration settings for existing packages. |
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| 18:59.07 | Chris``` | that is using pasv |
| 18:59.08 | elpha | asg: Restarting FTP server: vsftpdNo /usr/sbin/vsftpd found running; none killed. |
| 18:59.19 | tourinho | valdyn ... SATA_PROMISE is modules... should i put y? |
| 18:59.20 | tarheelcoxn | pi_: it should prompt you |
| 18:59.29 | asg | elpha: is that after you started it with /etc/init.d/vsftpd start? |
| 18:59.31 | elpha | asg: i don't get it... i made a test change to the config, and it didn't apply |
| 18:59.36 | elpha | asg: yes |
| 18:59.42 | valdyn | tourinho: i have no idea if you have a sata interface by promise |
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| 18:59.50 | tarheelcoxn | pi_: it will ask you if you want to keep your version or go with the package maintainer's version |
| 18:59.51 | pi_ | should? |
| 19:00.02 | tarheelcoxn | the default is to keep yours |
| 19:00.05 | pi_ | okay. |
| 19:00.21 | asg | elpha: well first kill all traces of all vsftpds running. Then try starting it. If that doesn't work, I'm not sure what the problem is. |
| 19:00.26 | pi_ | Why would all these extra packages need to be installed, when Im just trying to install unstable:spamassassin? |
| 19:00.28 | tourinho | valdyn do u know how can i discover it? |
| 19:00.40 | tarheelcoxn | pi_: apt-get install aptitude |
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| 19:00.55 | tarheelcoxn | pi_: then use aptitude to look at the dependencies |
| 19:00.57 | kyrios_ | I begin to use qt3-designer, and create a clean dialog, and i compile, but it send an error...! what i have to do? |
| 19:00.59 | elpha | asg: ok.. |
| 19:01.01 | valdyn | tourinho: try lspci | grep -i sata |
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| 19:01.19 | valdyn | tourinho: or lspci | grep -i raid |
| 19:01.22 | tarheelcoxn | pi_: you use / to search once you start up in aptitude |
| 19:01.40 | Chris``` | ~[ asg ]~ any suggestions ? pasv mode is the one that it isnt working on . i havnt tried any other mode |
| 19:01.41 | apt | Chris```: that's too long |
| 19:01.48 | elpha | asg: is it going to be a huge problem to kill it and manulal restart it each time? |
| 19:01.51 | tourinho | valdyn Serial ATA 150 Storage Controller |
| 19:01.57 | elpha | asg: besides being a little annyoing |
| 19:01.58 | tarheelcoxn | pi_: aptitude is just a quasi-graphical frontend for apt-get... friendlier, imho |
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| 19:02.06 | asg | elpha: no, but I would find out why /etc/init.d/vsftpd isn't working correctly. |
| 19:02.11 | tourinho | damn.. now my gpm was gone :( |
| 19:02.16 | valdyn | tourinho: thats one by promise i think |
| 19:02.20 | Chris``` | apt- whats too long ? |
| 19:02.21 | asg | Chris```: it is likely a firewall issue. I'd start looking at that. |
| 19:02.28 | pi_ | see, even when I do an apt-get install aptitude, it says The following extra packages will be installed : apt |
| 19:02.33 | pi_ | among many others. |
| 19:02.34 | asg | Chris```: apt is a bot that responds to '~foo' in channel |
| 19:02.37 | tourinho | valdyn okey.. Ill try build in kernel |
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| 19:02.42 | asg | ~botsnack |
| 19:02.42 | apt | asg: aw, gee |
| 19:02.45 | Chris``` | :O |
| 19:02.47 | valdyn | tourinho: but ... theres some more promise drivers in 2.6.x elsewhere, ( i think among the ATA controllers |
| 19:02.47 | woip | i know - stupid question but i have to : i want to install a font and wanna use it under x11 but not on my ttys - so whats the right folder |
| 19:02.50 | valdyn | tourinho: lsmod - see what you find |
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| 19:03.04 | valdyn | tourinho: since you have taht controller running atm, dont you |
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| 19:04.10 | elpha | asg: DAEMON=/usr/sbin/vsftpd |
| 19:04.10 | elpha | NAME=vsftpd |
| 19:04.17 | tourinho | valdyn looking for ata i found "ata_piix" "libata" and "scsi_mod" |
| 19:04.22 | elpha | asg: hmmmm |
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| 19:04.31 | lu | hey which packages do install for LAMP or if somebody could refer me to a good site, blahblah |
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| 19:04.43 | abrotman | Lu: do you know what LAMP stands for? |
| 19:04.49 | lu | yes |
| 19:04.50 | asg | lu: apt-get install mysql-server apache php4 libapache-mod-php4 |
| 19:04.59 | abrotman | Lu: then what do you think you would install? |
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| 19:05.02 | deigo | wu-ftpd causes "553 heh.tar: Permission denied on server. (Delete)" even though in ftpaccess I have "delete yes anonymous,real,guest # delete permission?" |
| 19:05.10 | abrotman | asg: cheater |
| 19:05.11 | tarheelcoxn | pi_: that's odd |
| 19:05.22 | pi_ | Tarheelcoxn, yes. |
| 19:05.24 | asg | abrotman: I was assuming he had the 'L' part already |
| 19:05.25 | lu | i've done the installing and i'm not getting mysql to run |
| 19:05.35 | abrotman | asg: see .. it's nto that easy :) |
| 19:05.40 | tarheelcoxn | pi_: I don't think you can break apt, though... not by installing aptitude |
| 19:05.41 | valdyn | tourinho: no idea what ata_piix is for, id think parallel ata, but i dont know |
| 19:05.45 | abrotman | of coruse .. he did only ask how to install .. not run |
| 19:05.50 | pi_ | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 19:05.50 | pi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.54 | abrotman | Lu: how do you know mysql isn't running ? |
| 19:05.57 | tarheelcoxn | pi_: I'm sorry/good luck? |
| 19:06.02 | pi_ | isnt that a bit strange? or am I crazy? |
| 19:06.08 | tourinho | valdyn Ill try anyway |
| 19:06.08 | valdyn | tourinho: dmesg | grep -i sata and dmesg | grep -i ata |
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| 19:06.15 | asg | pi_: because you are installing a sid package in woody or sarge? |
| 19:06.19 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:06.42 | valdyn | tourinho: /proc/scsi/ and /proc/ide/ should yield info too |
| 19:06.46 | abrotman | lu: or you're not sure if it's running? |
| 19:06.54 | simonrvn | pepper spray sucks |
| 19:06.58 | pi_ | 3.0 |
| 19:07.02 | abrotman | simonrvn: you're not supposed to eat the stuff |
| 19:07.02 | asg | !bobbitt |
| 19:07.03 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 19:07.07 | asg | pi_: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 19:07.26 | asg | abrotman: maybe nvz uses it on his tacos |
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| 19:07.47 | pi_ | asg, I dont get it. |
| 19:07.47 | takatumi | ouch. |
| 19:07.48 | lu | sorry, mysql isn't running because ps aux | grep mysql give me nothing |
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| 19:08.05 | lu | /etc/init.d/mysql start = nada |
| 19:08.05 | asg | pi_: you are trying to install unstable software on a stable woody 3.0 system right? |
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| 19:08.16 | mikeo | my cd is crap |
| 19:08.16 | tourinho | valdyn FATAL: Module sd_mod (and ata_piix) no found |
| 19:08.18 | pi_ | asg, yes.. and its worked in the paste. |
| 19:08.18 | deigo | check the mysql error log. |
| 19:08.21 | pi_ | s/paste/past |
| 19:08.24 | tourinho | when I did mkinitrd |
| 19:08.28 | mikeo | buffer read error on file KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX |
| 19:08.34 | asg | pi_: well, in the past, unstable packages had different dependancies. |
| 19:08.36 | lu | i've looked at /etc/mysql/my.cnf and everything seems to be ok |
| 19:08.37 | mikeo | and 1 out of 47 files failed the md5 check |
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| 19:08.44 | mikeo | hmm wrong channel lol |
| 19:08.53 | abrotman | Lu: you have no /etc/init.d/mysql ? |
| 19:08.55 | simonrvn | abrotman: kinda hard to avoid it when you have 2 cops shooting the stuff at you |
| 19:09.04 | pi_ | So i cannot install unstable packages on a stable version? |
| 19:09.04 | lu | permissions in /tmp, /var/log/mysql is fine |
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| 19:09.09 | abrotman | simonrvn: where you just driving a mustang in PA? |
| 19:09.09 | takatumi | mikeo: pity da fool. |
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| 19:09.13 | asg | pi_: no, not without breaking things horribly |
| 19:09.13 | lu | yes i have /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 19:09.14 | valdyn | tourinho: oh, if you are making an initrd and your kernel didnt find the appropriate driver for your root filesystem, then you probably just used the wrong initrd |
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| 19:09.18 | asg | pi_: use backports (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 19:09.26 | lu | when i initiate it i get nothing |
| 19:09.26 | asg | pi_: or backport yourself (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 19:09.29 | abrotman | lu: and it won't start .. and you of course checked thelogs to see why? |
| 19:09.31 | valdyn | tourinho: then its *ok* for the disk driver to be on "m" |
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| 19:09.38 | lu | the logs are empty |
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| 19:09.46 | abrotman | all the logs cannot be emptry |
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| 19:09.51 | abrotman | Lu: which logs did you check? |
| 19:09.52 | simonrvn | abrotman: no. :) |
| 19:09.54 | lu | permissions were funny at first and they were *.gz |
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| 19:10.05 | schelm | im trying to compile evidence, but it says "shelf.c: In Funktion »shelf_dst«: shelf.c:286: error: `noir_shelf' undeclared (first use in this function)". does anybody know what to do now? |
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| 19:10.13 | calljair | abrotman, to configure cups on the debain I have to install: cupsys and all the other database postscript and drivers for printer correct? |
| 19:10.18 | kyrios_ | I begin to use qt3-designer, and create a clean dialog, and i compile, but it send an error...! what i have to do? |
| 19:10.18 | JosephSpiros | Bah, when is this caudium bug going to be fixed :( |
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| 19:10.23 | lu | i'm new to mysql so i don't know if that is standard, being gz. i looked in var/log/mysql |
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| 19:10.26 | abrotman | calljair: i don't own a printer |
| 19:10.27 | valdyn | tourinho: however if you compile things in, then you dont need an initrd |
| 19:10.30 | asg | JosephSpiros: it may never be, apparently it is a bug in apt |
| 19:10.31 | tourinho | valdyn but as "m" I can have kernel panic.. and when I use "*" I can boot too :) |
| 19:10.33 | calljair | abrotman, ok |
| 19:10.34 | pi_ | so if I want the latest version of a package, that is only listed in the unstable distro, I need to either upgrade my box to an unstable version, or use backports. |
| 19:10.39 | abrotman | lu: /var/log/mysql /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages |
| 19:10.47 | usynic | I'm having a hell of a time compiling a kernel from source on my laptop. I've tried several different versions, but each with the same result. The kernel boots for a while, and then stops. I actually think it's still booting - the hdd light is blinking, but I can't see anything |
| 19:10.49 | omnistegan | hey guys, does debian come with a mail server built in? |
| 19:10.51 | o-o | abrotman, ?? |
| 19:10.53 | usynic | can anyone give me a hint on how to fix this? |
| 19:10.55 | tourinho | valdyn Ill try to builin everything |
| 19:10.59 | tourinho | brb :D |
| 19:11.03 | abrotman | o-o: look at your IP :) |
| 19:11.04 | JosephSpiros | asg: :'( |
| 19:11.07 | takatumi | usynic: ati card? |
| 19:11.12 | lu | k |
| 19:11.14 | valdyn | tourinho: im gone a bit |
| 19:11.16 | o-o | abrotman, oh..... need a 512p system? |
| 19:11.17 | usynic | takatumi, no |
| 19:11.17 | JosephSpiros | asg: any workarounds? |
| 19:11.21 | lu | ok, i'll check them right now |
| 19:11.23 | abrotman | o-o: for free . i'll take it! |
| 19:11.25 | pi_ | is that correct? |
| 19:11.27 | asg | JosephSpiros: yes, just remove the caudium crap after it installs |
| 19:11.30 | usynic | the stock kernel boots just fine |
| 19:11.32 | abrotman | o-o: of course .. older MIPS hardware is ok too :) |
| 19:11.40 | o-o | well no you first have to plunk down a couple of mio us$ |
| 19:11.50 | abrotman | o-o: for like an old O2? |
| 19:11.52 | abrotman | come on .. |
| 19:11.55 | asg | JosephSpiros: alternately, manually dpkg -i php4-curl or php4-gd and manually install the relevant files after that in the same manner. |
| 19:12.02 | tourinho | valdyn ok.. thank you very much |
| 19:12.05 | abrotman | or upgrade apache first? |
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| 19:12.07 | o-o | abrotman, for a new altix 512 processor system with a couple of terabytes of memory |
| 19:12.18 | abrotman | o-o: unless it gives good head .. no |
| 19:12.52 | o-o | abrotman, well you wont need any heating system in your house anymore... |
| 19:12.52 | abrotman | o-o: or my town :) |
| 19:12.53 | usynic | anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:13.01 | simonrvn | abrotman: long story short, i went to a meeting that turned into a demo then into a party |
| 19:13.01 | abrotman | usynic: why are you compiling a kernel |
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| 19:13.10 | usynic | abrotman, to get swsusp |
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| 19:13.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: naked girls? |
| 19:13.14 | o-o | abrotman, hopefully you live in alaska so that you wont have to invest in an good air conditioner. |
| 19:13.17 | simonrvn | abrotman: no |
| 19:13.19 | abrotman | usynic: erm .. ok |
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| 19:13.26 | abrotman | o-o: who needs AC |
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| 19:13.33 | o-o | abrotman, the altiux |
| 19:13.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: cops don't like parties? |
| 19:13.45 | abrotman | o-o: how about i put it in the bat cave? |
| 19:14.01 | o-o | abrotman, bat cave? what does that mean? |
| 19:14.09 | simonrvn | the party was after the cops left |
| 19:14.14 | abrotman | o-o: batman .. bat cave .. cold .. damp .. underground :) |
| 19:14.26 | abrotman | simonrvn: you were happy about getting maced? |
| 19:14.29 | takatumi | Dr.Freeze. |
| 19:14.39 | Don_PhrostByte | would anyone know why apache in debian stable would shutdown every day at 6:30? |
| 19:14.40 | simonrvn | abrotman: why would i? |
| 19:14.44 | pi_ | hell |
| 19:14.51 | pi_ | screw the debian package system. |
| 19:14.53 | abrotman | simonrvn: you said the party was after the cops left |
| 19:14.58 | pi_ | im going back to tarballs |
| 19:15.01 | abrotman | .msi for life! |
| 19:15.05 | takatumi | pi_: seeya bye kthnx. |
| 19:15.05 | pi_ | i'll compile the crap myself. |
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| 19:15.09 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:15.09 | asg | Don_PhrostByte: look at your /etc/cron.daily/ and /etc/cron.d to find out what might be happening |
| 19:15.17 | abrotman | pi_: apparently you failed the test |
| 19:15.24 | pi_ | yea.. apparently. |
| 19:15.25 | simonrvn | abrotman: can i /msg you? |
| 19:15.29 | abrotman | simonrvn: sure |
| 19:15.30 | pi_ | I just want the latest version of the software. |
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| 19:15.38 | abrotman | pi_: use unstable then i guess |
| 19:15.46 | pi_ | if that requires package hacking or an entire upgrade of my system.. that seems rediculous. |
| 19:15.48 | asg | Don_PhrostByte: I expect that it is being restarted after log rotation but failing to be restarted for some reason. |
| 19:15.49 | lu | no man i'm finding nothing |
| 19:15.58 | lu | this sucks big time |
| 19:16.09 | abrotman | Lu: did you install mysql-server or just mysql-common? |
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| 19:16.27 | lu | that would be silly wouldn't it |
| 19:16.31 | lu | let me check |
| 19:16.33 | abrotman | Lu: i'm just asking :) |
| 19:16.40 | abrotman | Lu: also .. try starting the server manually |
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| 19:17.18 | Pappa | uhm.. apt has super cow powers. you can use unstable packages in sarge. |
| 19:17.30 | Don_PhrostByte | asg: nothing in /etc/cron.daily/ has anything about apache |
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| 19:17.38 | pi_ | Pappa, what was that? |
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| 19:18.12 | lu | you i did, crazy thing is.. i dpkg -l |grep mysql* > mysql_stuff_installed |
| 19:18.12 | tarheelcoxn | pi_: you're running Woody? |
| 19:18.19 | pi_ | Yea. |
| 19:18.21 | asg | Don_PhrostByte: then look at /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 19:18.29 | tarheelcoxn | pi_: :-/ |
| 19:18.45 | lu | i just redid the apt-get install mysql-server and bingo-bango it wants to install all sorts of crazyness |
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| 19:19.53 | m-787b | gentoo is better. |
| 19:20.05 | m-787b | k bye. |
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| 19:20.11 | streetbmx | lol |
| 19:20.17 | asg | that was the dumbest fucking troll today. |
| 19:20.36 | asg | I'm surprised it didn't ask permission first. Spineless prat. |
| 19:21.17 | Pappa | gentoo is so great, things considered "stable" fuck up. |
| 19:21.17 | Don_PhrostByte | asg: looks like that was it. thanks |
| 19:21.25 | asg | Don_PhrostByte: you're welcome |
| 19:21.53 | kenboo | he's not even in #gentoo |
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| 19:22.25 | ARX | hi, someone knows delphi? |
| 19:22.35 | asg | ARX: the oracle at? |
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| 19:23.10 | ARX | I have problem with delphi classes |
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| 19:23.17 | asg | ARX: then try #delphi |
| 19:23.31 | _Krusty_ | anyone has xebian? |
| 19:23.33 | ARX | but nobody answer |
| 19:23.36 | ARX | :( |
| 19:23.38 | tarheelcoxn | kenboo: but there ARE 1046 +/- 10 idiots in #gentoo |
| 19:23.42 | ARX | so.. y tried here |
| 19:23.44 | nctr | :( |
| 19:23.44 | schelm | im trying to compile evidence, but it says "shelf.c: In Funktion »shelf_dst«: shelf.c:286: error: `noir_shelf' undeclared (first use in this function)". does anybody know what to do now? |
| 19:23.45 | asg | ARX: then buy a book or check comp.lang.delphi |
| 19:23.59 | asg | schelm: try #c |
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| 19:24.20 | ARX | tnx anyway... |
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| 19:26.01 | k3k0 | how i can unzip rar files in debian sarge, x and gnome also installed.. |
| 19:26.14 | asg | k3k0: instat unrar or rar from non-free |
| 19:26.17 | asg | s/instat/install/ |
| 19:26.44 | anhi | rar x <file> (yeah, i like rar) |
| 19:26.53 | pi_ | okay so. |
| 19:27.14 | pi_ | basically, the packages listed in unstable distro are unavailable to someone running the latest stable release? |
| 19:27.16 | asg | anhi: why? |
| 19:27.31 | asg | pi_: right, they are too divergent at this point. |
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| 19:27.39 | asg | pi_: consider moving to sarge since it will be stable soonishly |
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| 19:27.49 | pi_ | shouldnt I wait until its stable? |
| 19:28.03 | asg | pi_: if you like. |
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| 19:28.10 | a-atwood | pi_: stable is a relative thing. sarge is very stable. |
| 19:28.18 | paulswm | pi_: sarge is 'testing', not unstable. |
| 19:28.23 | pi_ | Also, since the latest version of packages in the stable release are fairly old.. where can I get config samples / help for those older versions? |
| 19:28.32 | a-atwood | pi_: sid is stable compared to most distro's. |
| 19:28.33 | asg | pi_: /usr/share/doc/foo/* |
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| 19:28.38 | andreiz_ | hello. is there a way to make nautilus (in ftp mode) open files as read-write instead of read-only ? thanks! |
| 19:28.46 | anhi | sid is running perfectly fine on the desktop |
| 19:28.47 | tosh| | is EFS stable yet? or any other alternatives to transparant file systems? |
| 19:28.56 | k3k0 | asg: can i install that someway with apt-get ? |
| 19:29.03 | paulswm | anhi: till it breaks, and it will from time to time |
| 19:29.24 | a-atwood | anhi: it has been running fine on my laptop for about 4 mo. now, too |
| 19:29.32 | asg | k3k0: yes, apt-get install unrar (or add non-free to your sources.list) and apt-get install rar |
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| 19:29.58 | paulswm | By that logic, the fact that I have never been hit by a car means that I will never be hit by a car |
| 19:30.00 | asg | k3k0: or just request whomever made the .rar file to stop using brainless '80s style archivers and use something sane. |
| 19:30.08 | EfaistOs | with gnomebaker can i make dvd-video ? |
| 19:30.13 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 19:30.16 | stouse1 | paulswm: sounds kosher to me. |
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| 19:30.39 | paulswm | stouse1: I've never died, so I must be immortal then :) |
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| 19:31.11 | stouse1 | paulswm: Bingo. |
| 19:31.17 | stouse1 | paulswm: I'm going to live forever or die trying. |
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| 19:32.05 | xpato | hi |
| 19:32.42 | pi_ | okay, then since i'm forced to settle with older versions. |
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| 19:32.54 | xpato | are any hardware supported for linux that let me take the video output and split it in N screens showing differents videos? |
| 19:32.59 | pi_ | Can anyone help with debian 3.0 / postfix / spamassassin? |
| 19:33.25 | pi_ | apt-get install spammassassin installs the binaries, and starts the spamd daemon, but its not being used. |
| 19:33.30 | takatumi | pi_: is this a production server? |
| 19:33.37 | pi_ | sorta. |
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| 19:33.56 | takatumi | pi_: sarge is sorta ready for release, try it. |
| 19:34.02 | kyrios_ | I begin to use qt3-designer, and create a clean dialog, and i compile, but it send an error...! what i have to do? |
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| 19:34.36 | takatumi | !tell pi_ -about woody->sarge |
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| 19:36.11 | vir182 | my filesystem screwed up (fschk repair manually) and now debconf doesnt seem to work anymore (i get a lot of errors like "Use of uninitialized value in exists at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 66."). and i can't reinstall using apt-get. any suggestion how i can reinstall debconf (or perl-base in case this was screwed up) |
| 19:36.34 | pi_ | takatumi, that easy huh? |
| 19:36.46 | takatumi | pi_: yup. |
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| 19:37.46 | asg | vir182: download the deb, use dpkg -i |
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| 19:38.17 | oliver_ | hi where can i get information about PPC (ibook)s? |
| 19:38.25 | asg | oliver_: #debian-ppc |
| 19:38.35 | asg | oliver_: #debianppc |
| 19:38.47 | oliver_ | tyu |
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| 19:39.14 | A-z-i-z | what do you recommend me to use as a desktop.. sarge or woody ? |
| 19:39.27 | oliver_ | maybe someone knows in mac how do i get the ( but straight ones, the half a rectangle in mac |
| 19:39.31 | asg | A-z-i-z: sarge at this point is probably a better choice |
| 19:39.43 | A-z-i-z | i want to convert from red hat to debian |
| 19:39.52 | asg | A-z-i-z: then go with sarge |
| 19:40.08 | takatumi | !d-i A-z-i-z |
| 19:40.08 | Nosf3ratu | A-z-i-z, probably sarge. The packages (software programs) contained within it are more current. |
| 19:40.09 | dpkg | A-z-i-z, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:40.30 | vir182 | asg: i rtied to install dpkg -i --force-all debconf_1.4.30.11_all.deb but i still get the same error. (Use of uninitialized value in exists at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 66) |
| 19:40.33 | A-z-i-z | okay.... it is "stable" enough ? |
| 19:40.38 | k3k0 | asg: how i can add non-free in my sources.list what line i must add there, never added it :*) |
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| 19:40.48 | asg | vir182: then unpack the deb with 'ar' and copy the files manually |
| 19:41.13 | vir182 | asg wow, that is new for me ;-) i have to try that |
| 19:41.17 | asg | k3k0: add ' non-free' after the 'main' keyword, then apt-get update |
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| 19:41.25 | asg | k3k0: vrms will not be happy though |
| 19:41.25 | A-z-i-z | do you recommend me downloading FULL ISO CDs or net install ? |
| 19:41.41 | Nosf3ratu | A-z-i-z, it's vyery close to becoming the next stable release, so the short answer is "Yes, it's stable enough." |
| 19:41.45 | asg | A-z-i-z: Net Install if your system's nic is supported. |
| 19:41.47 | takatumi | !full cd advocacy |
| 19:41.47 | dpkg | it has been said that full cd advocacy is you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. maybe a good reason to have more than one computer |
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| 19:42.14 | k3k0 | asg: deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main/non-free like this? |
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| 19:42.24 | Nosf3ratu | A-z-i-z, not much of a reason not to use the netinstall unless you have a goofy NIC. |
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| 19:42.37 | asg | k3k0: no |
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| 19:42.39 | streetbmx | k3k0: space seperated, kill the / |
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| 19:42.47 | k3k0 | ok |
| 19:42.52 | asg | k3k0: 1) don't do it to the security line. |
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| 19:43.12 | A-z-i-z | I guess my NIC is supported ... (It was using Fedora 3) |
| 19:43.34 | takatumi | A-z-i-z: get on with it. |
| 19:43.38 | k3k0 | asg: ok thanx |
| 19:43.52 | dtsantos | anyone help-me with cshell? the command foreach var ("`find . -name "*.wma"`") returns find: No Match.. but when i run it directly on the shell: lots of results |
| 19:43.59 | A-z-i-z | kewl... I will start downloading .. wish me good luck :) |
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| 19:44.25 | takatumi | !prise A-z-i-z |
| 19:44.37 | A-z-i-z | :) |
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| 19:44.55 | streetbmx | A-z-i-z: its cake, i just installed sarge yesterday for the first time |
| 19:45.04 | vir182 | asg do you have any clue in which package ar is in? |
| 19:45.41 | abrotman | !tell vir182 about search |
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| 19:46.11 | p88 | !rot13 uryyb |
| 19:46.11 | dpkg | hello |
| 19:46.14 | p88 | :D |
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| 19:46.33 | A-z-i-z | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso <-- shall i get this ? |
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| 19:46.44 | glick | excuse me whats the name of that site where i can download debian packages like the windows media plugins so i can play wma files? |
| 19:46.57 | streetbmx | A-z-i-z: thats good |
| 19:47.07 | asg | vir182: it should be standard on your system |
| 19:47.09 | abrotman | !tell glick about marillat |
| 19:47.14 | abrotman | binutils if it matters |
| 19:47.16 | abrotman | for ar i mean |
| 19:47.29 | tarheelcoxn | A-z-i-z: don't come crying if you have trouble with audio or networking |
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| 19:49.46 | tarheelcoxn | anybody know why flash breaks both firefox and galeon if there's audio already running? |
| 19:49.58 | SuperSox | I'm getting the error "no such device" then I try to modprobe fglrx (trying to get my ati card working a bit betteR) any suggestions on what I've mucked up? |
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| 19:50.27 | glick | whats the name of that package that will allow me to watch wma files? |
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| 19:50.35 | asg | glick: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:50.35 | A-z-i-z | tarheelcoxn.. don't worry... i got enough different NICs :) |
| 19:50.38 | nvz | glick: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:50.45 | nvz | glick: you need w32codecs |
| 19:50.47 | k3k0 | how i can unrar with unrar a movie whitch is in 30 pcs :) |
| 19:50.57 | asg | k3k0: man rar |
| 19:50.58 | abrotman | !wma |
| 19:50.58 | dpkg | [wma] windows media audio file or something of that nature (proprietary Microsoft lossy audio codec), which sucks because I apt say so, or or you can play it with mplayer |
| 19:51.06 | abrotman | k3k0: which |
| 19:51.10 | abrotman | or unrar |
| 19:51.12 | nvz | glick: they work with other players like xine, you do not need mplayer, just the w32codecs package from mplayer |
| 19:51.26 | tarheelcoxn | A-z-i-z: can I have your budget? |
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| 19:51.35 | p88 | unraris nin unstable |
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| 19:51.43 | tarheelcoxn | :P |
| 19:51.49 | p88 | :( my keyboard is completely fucked up |
| 19:51.50 | sandos | unrar? isnt unrar just in non-free |
| 19:51.51 | asg | p88: ENOPARSE |
| 19:52.05 | asg | sandos: rar is in non-free, unrar is the free implementation of <v3 |
| 19:52.09 | miks | if I download a theme for gnome and extract it in .themes and the icons into .icons how do I then load the them in gnome? |
| 19:52.15 | sandos | oh |
| 19:52.21 | A-z-i-z | tarheelcoxn: my budget is 3 old PCs with burnt motherboards :) |
| 19:52.27 | sandos | unrar works wonders for me though |
| 19:52.30 | miks | it's not showing up in my listed themes and when I try to install it I don't see which file to choose |
| 19:52.35 | k3k0 | abrotman: one family movie |
| 19:52.36 | netbrain | what kernel should i choose if i want to install debian on an apple ibook? |
| 19:52.36 | k3k0 | :) |
| 19:52.48 | nvz | miks: might work better to ask in a gnome specific channel or server |
| 19:52.49 | asg | k3k0: yep but who's family? |
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| 19:53.00 | asg | netbrain: #debianppc |
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| 19:53.13 | k3k0 | asg: my =) |
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| 19:53.23 | saabin | hello guys. |
| 19:53.24 | asg | k3k0: uh huh |
| 19:53.42 | tarheelcoxn | A-z-i-z: lol ... home = two boken-ish laptops, one from school |
| 19:53.44 | miks | nvz: yeah I just figured since debian loads with gnome someone might know since it's such a basic question. |
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| 19:53.57 | saabin | how I can use "lp" command instead of printing to a printer to print to "file.ps" |
| 19:54.01 | k3k0 | is there no graphical unrar for debian ? |
| 19:54.13 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 19:54.13 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 19:54.15 | sandos | who needs graphics! =) |
| 19:54.24 | abrotman | am i the only one who has never seen a rar file? |
| 19:54.26 | glick | how come cant i hear sounds in wma files? |
| 19:54.31 | SuperSox | !ati |
| 19:54.31 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 19:54.33 | abrotman | alsa hates you |
| 19:54.33 | asg | k3k0: gnome-terminal unrar x -kb foo |
| 19:54.34 | nvz | miks: its really not a basic question for #debian. majority of knowlagable people here dont use that stuff. |
| 19:54.46 | nvz | miks: it would be a basic simple question for gnome users |
| 19:54.55 | A-z-i-z | tarheelcoxn: broken screen you mean? |
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| 19:55.32 | asg | abrotman: you either a) don't troll for porn on USENET or b) weren't a sysop in the 80s. |
| 19:55.33 | tarheelcoxn | A-z-i-z: on one of them, ethernet port that require duct tape on the other |
| 19:55.33 | abrotman | miks: it's a gtk theme? |
| 19:55.33 | k3k0 | asg: gnome-terminal unrar x -kb foo |
| 19:55.33 | k3k0 | (gnome-terminal:4395): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 19:55.42 | glick | what do you mean alsa must hate me i can hear mpegs fine |
| 19:55.45 | abrotman | asg: or neither? |
| 19:55.45 | tarheelcoxn | *requires |
| 19:55.48 | asg | k3k0: that meant run unrar ... in gnome-terminal |
| 19:55.56 | alfatau | hi, do u know a way to plan a fs checkup (fsck) with customized options at the next reboot?? |
| 19:55.57 | abrotman | asg: what does sysop have to do with rar? |
| 19:55.58 | CyberShadow | how can I have multiple "hardware configurations" - for example, one for VMWare and one for my real hardware? |
| 19:55.59 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:55.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 19:56.21 | asg | abrotman: most BBS's had a penchant for having archivers from all corners of the earth |
| 19:56.32 | asg | abrotman: remember such wonderful ones as zoo, arj, etc... |
| 19:56.35 | A-z-i-z | tarheelcoxn: not too bad :) |
| 19:56.41 | abrotman | asg: i did BBSs .. and i remmeber zoo/arj .. not rar though |
| 19:56.51 | asg | abrotman: it came a little later |
| 19:57.07 | abrotman | asg: like .. right when i went to college and discovered gopher? :) |
| 19:57.08 | miks | abrot: yeah gtk2 |
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| 19:57.15 | asg | abrotman: yeah and irc ;) |
| 19:57.19 | abrotman | gtk2-switch-theme maybe? |
| 19:57.24 | abrotman | asg: no irc until after college |
| 19:57.31 | abrotman | asg: beer and boobs during college :) |
| 19:57.59 | asg | abrotman: we had beer, boobs, irc, and JediMUD when I was in college :p |
| 19:58.11 | tarheelcoxn | abrotman: what about grad school? |
| 19:58.15 | alfatau | hi, do u know a way to plan a fs checkup (fsck) with customized options at the next reboot?? now i can't launch fsck with customized options because fs is mounted, and it could be dangerous, at the next reboot i could plan an fsck with c.o. before the fs would have mounted. |
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| 19:58.50 | asg | abrotman: interestingly, nothing has changed in the last 15 years except for the fact that I can afford better swill. |
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| 19:59.09 | abrotman | tarheelcoxn: i'm an admin |
| 19:59.19 | abrotman | asg: and only one pair of boobs :) |
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| 19:59.39 | asg | abrotman: or two pairs depending on the amount of beer I've had |
| 19:59.49 | abrotman | asg: heh |
| 19:59.57 | asg | speaking of |
| 19:59.59 | asg | !pubtime |
| 19:59.59 | dpkg | it has been said that pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 20:00.00 | glick | damn how can i get sounds on wma files? |
| 20:00.02 | abrotman | alfatau: stpo using u instead of you |
| 20:00.05 | abrotman | asg: yes it is :) |
| 20:00.13 | abrotman | asg: hoipefully i can round up a few for buckabeer! :) |
| 20:00.22 | MarcinKra | glick: www.mplayerhq.hu |
| 20:00.29 | djw | how do you close a bug? |
| 20:01.01 | abrotman | djw: are you maintainer? |
| 20:01.11 | djw | nope |
| 20:01.13 | abrotman | err you the mainterainer? |
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| 20:01.19 | glick | MarcinKra, i downloaded the w32codecs packages from nerim |
| 20:01.19 | abrotman | djw: then why would you want to close it? |
| 20:01.39 | djw | abrotman: I submitted a bug report, I'd like to close it |
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| 20:01.47 | alfatau | abrotman: ok, i'm sorry. it was the habit.. |
| 20:01.58 | abrotman | djw: append the bug bug#@bugs.debian.org .. and tell him/her to close it |
| 20:02.17 | MarcinKra | glick, i use mplayer for all things |
| 20:02.30 | tarheelcoxn | MarcinKra: not for ogg you don't |
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| 20:02.48 | goodshit | hi, can someone show me how to do this. I got a /home directory but i want it to be in /usr/home, because right now /home directory is using the / partition, how do i make /home go into /usr/home so it uses the /usr/home parition. is it done by ln -s /home /usr/home <-0 is this correct anyone know?? please help thanks. |
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| 20:03.08 | MarcinKra | glick:but i have to make debian packge for my self |
| 20:03.08 | djw | abrotman: okay, ta :) |
| 20:03.13 | abrotman | i tried to find a source that isn't wma |
| 20:03.31 | netbrain | what should i apt-get to get a very clean gnome? |
| 20:03.53 | miks | Does anyone use fluxbox? |
| 20:04.20 | hns | netbrain, gnome-core |
| 20:04.27 | netbrain | tnx |
| 20:04.27 | helix | miks: probably, though you'd be better off asking a specific question :) |
| 20:04.34 | chealer | djw: mail foo-close@bugs.debian.org |
| 20:05.05 | miks | helix, I'm just curious about how people like it. I had never looked at it before someone mentioned it this morning and talked about how it's a much faster liter gui than gnome/kde |
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| 20:05.45 | helix | miks: ah. well, I used to use it, it was nice I guess |
| 20:05.58 | glick | is it an alsa problem? |
| 20:06.07 | glick | that i cant listen to sounds on wma |
| 20:06.12 | glick | sometimes i hear a blurp of a sound |
| 20:07.20 | miks | helix, cool. it has a pretty interesting look to it. |
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| 20:07.58 | chealer | glick: use vlc |
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| 20:08.23 | abrotman | glick: check your mixer settings |
| 20:08.26 | chealer | does somebody if it's possible to read wma using XMMS in debian? and why there are no packages to do it if not? |
| 20:08.27 | glick | cnnwhats vlc |
| 20:08.28 | glick | ? |
| 20:08.37 | tarzeau | moo |
| 20:08.38 | chealer | glick: apt-get install vlc |
| 20:08.46 | MarcinKra | glick:when you can hear other soundformat is not problem of your soundcard |
| 20:08.47 | darxeth | does anybody knows how to add new language? for example i want to start writing german in aby's word editor, or in gaim... |
| 20:08.56 | dabreegster | Does anybody know how to define a new keysym (action) for the console keymap using Linux Console Tools? There are already keysyms like Last_Console, Control_a, and so on, but I want to define my own and specify the action they should perform. I can't figure out how to do so in the source and the documentation specifies no such way. |
| 20:09.07 | llvllatrix | hey guys (i'm new to linux). I'm trying to get X running with my usb mouse with very little success. Can anyone point me to any documentation? |
| 20:09.13 | SuperSox | Humm, I'm having a problem with an ATI M3 card, it works fine, but the 3D acceleration is poor |
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| 20:09.26 | tarzeau | darxeth: writing is possible in any language. or you want to configure the keyboard? setxkbmap |
| 20:09.31 | glick | chealer, whats vlc? |
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| 20:09.41 | tarzeau | llvllatrix: /topic |
| 20:09.44 | chealer | glick: the videolan client. |
| 20:09.47 | CharlesBrown | Why does debian use XF86 and not xorg/ |
| 20:09.54 | chealer | CharlesBrown: /topic |
| 20:09.55 | tarzeau | CharlesBrown: because of stability |
| 20:10.07 | CharlesBrown | o, thanks |
| 20:10.09 | CharlesBrown | heh |
| 20:10.51 | CyberShadow | how can I have multiple "hardware configurations" - for example, one for VMWare and one for my real hardware? so I (maybe) could choose the config with grub? |
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| 20:11.32 | llvllatrix | tarzeau: lol, thx :) |
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| 20:12.01 | tarzeau | CyberShadow: you could use some startup script that parses linux command line parameters |
| 20:12.06 | tarzeau | CyberShadow: see /proc/cmdline |
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| 20:12.22 | tarzeau | CyberShadow: that sets up some config files... |
| 20:12.30 | darxeth | tarzeau: nothing happened when i wrote setxkbmap |
| 20:12.34 | CyberShadow | where is the hardware config stored? |
| 20:12.45 | tarzeau | darxeth: of course it wants the magic word after it (i use us and de_CH) |
| 20:12.51 | glick | i dont get it occassionally i hear sound blurbs comming from the vedio |
| 20:13.20 | darxeth | tarzeau: isnt there anyway that i can list the languages? |
| 20:13.25 | ark3qqq | Somehow I managed to blow away my LILO install. I reinstalled LILO and used liloconfig. Now on boot I get L 01 01 01 01 etc. What's going on? |
| 20:13.26 | tarzeau | darxeth: yes there is |
| 20:13.35 | tarzeau | darxeth: but don't ask me, i don't remember |
| 20:13.49 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: lilo sucks. can you use grub? |
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| 20:14.10 | darxeth | hehe |
| 20:14.14 | takatumi | tarzeau: laying it straight :) |
| 20:14.16 | ark3qqq | tarzeau: I suppose I can. Will grub boot on SCSI? |
| 20:14.29 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: of course |
| 20:14.33 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: no raid, no lvm, right? |
| 20:14.44 | darxeth | tarzeau: whats the de_CH means? de might mean denmark, and CH? |
| 20:14.47 | tarzeau | takatumi: got the children to bed yet, to play some maze of galious? |
| 20:14.50 | ark3qqq | tarzeau: Well, not booting off of RAID. |
| 20:15.03 | tarzeau | darxeth: de is like deutsch and ch (as in switzerland) |
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| 20:15.14 | tarzeau | darxeth: like confederation helvetic, chocolate or cheese |
| 20:15.18 | thingfish | "de" normally means Germany, not Denmark. |
| 20:15.35 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: no problem then |
| 20:15.42 | takatumi | tarzeau: its past 23:15 here and he's still balancing on his head on the couch. (4 year old) |
| 20:15.43 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: one harddisk or more? |
| 20:15.50 | ark3qqq | tarzeau: Thanks. So do I need to apt-get remove lilo? |
| 20:16.05 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: no you can leave it there, just apt-get install grub |
| 20:16.16 | darxeth | tarzeau: thanks you were very helpfull :P ;> |
| 20:16.20 | ark3qqq | tarzeau: Four scsi drives, one IDE. Three of the SCSI drives are md raided together. I want to boot off of the un-raided SCSI and ignore the IDE. |
| 20:16.23 | Tarrendine | helo can you help me with problem on Debian Woody 3.0r1 kernel 2.4 and problems with xwindow and Graphic card Sapphire ATI 9200 plz ??? |
| 20:16.33 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: then look in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples copy the menu.lst to /boot/grub edit it, and run grub-install /dev/sda (probably) |
| 20:16.35 | thingfish | this link tells you what all the different country names are: http://www.norid.no/domenenavnbaser/domreg.html |
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| 20:16.47 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: WAIT md you say? i have no idea if it works |
| 20:16.58 | chealer | Tarrendine: do you want to use debian as your desktop? did you hear about sarge? |
| 20:16.58 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: where do you boot from the ide or the scsi disk? |
| 20:17.05 | ark3qqq | tarzeau: Honestly I can set up the md raid manually later. I just want the machine to boot. |
| 20:17.12 | dabreegster | Anyone know where the actions that console keysyms like Last_Console are defined? I can't find it in the source or documentation. |
| 20:17.16 | ark3qqq | tarzeau: Booting from the non-md SCSI. |
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| 20:17.26 | darxeth | ??? |
| 20:17.39 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: well do what i said then. the parameter for grub-install is the disk you want grub to install to |
| 20:17.41 | Tarrendine | chealer: I heard about sarge, but I get Woody ... |
| 20:17.58 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: you can then edit the menu options/parameters inside the boot menu using "e" (it's documented online) |
| 20:18.02 | ark3qqq | tarzeau: How does "the system" know which drive to pull the boot block from? |
| 20:18.16 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: that's some pc bios magic ... |
| 20:18.25 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: some bios can select boot from ide, or scsi |
| 20:18.40 | chealer | Tarrendine: unless you really care about security, you probable made the wrong choice. woody was released in 2002 so doesn't support many hardware made later |
| 20:18.40 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: but some bios don't work right, or are broken, or don't have the option or just suck |
| 20:18.41 | ark3qqq | tarzeau: Is it possible to put a boot block on the IDE drive that tells grub to boot off the SCSI drive? |
| 20:18.53 | Tarrendine | chealer: and install is OK. Only Xserver can't start, when he can't recognize my graphic card. I download drivers from ati com, but they are only RPM package |
| 20:18.56 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: it's possible to boot from ide, loading kernels from scsi drive |
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| 20:19.05 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: you don't want to boot a bootloader from anoterh disk |
| 20:19.17 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: why not use the bootloader on ide disk and then load/run whatever you want |
| 20:19.31 | ark3qqq | tarzeau: I'm trying to cover all the possibilities... I don't have access to the BIOS stuff from here; the machine is remote. |
| 20:19.33 | tarzeau | the problem that can arise is when you want to remove the disk that has the grub |
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| 20:20.10 | ark3qqq | tarzeau: Heh. When I add/remove disks I fully expect to be booting Knoppix to fix everything again. :) |
| 20:20.29 | tarzeau | knoppix is fine, as well as the livecd.gnustep.org to fix grub configurations |
| 20:20.32 | Tarrendine | chealer maybe... I don't know debian. I worked on Redhat and I can try next distribution |
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| 20:20.46 | tarzeau | darxeth: what? don't msg me |
| 20:20.52 | chealer | !d-i Tarrendine |
| 20:20.53 | dpkg | Tarrendine, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:20.59 | tarzeau | Tarrendine: wise decision |
| 20:21.03 | k3k0 | is there any graphical un-rar for debian ? |
| 20:21.10 | tarzeau | k3k0: haha |
| 20:21.15 | ark3qqq | tarzeau: Anyhow, thanks for your help. |
| 20:21.18 | tarzeau | dpkg tell k3k0 for x |
| 20:21.25 | tarzeau | dpkg for x |
| 20:21.25 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 20:21.35 | k3k0 | =) |
| 20:21.48 | tarzeau | k3k0: besides rar really sucks badly |
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| 20:21.59 | tarzeau | k3k0: let me guess you run i386 |
| 20:22.13 | k3k0 | yeah kernel 2.6 |
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| 20:22.21 | k3k0 | on laptop |
| 20:22.46 | tarzeau | k3k0: all i386 laptops suck |
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| 20:23.04 | tarzeau | darxeth: stop msging me ????? and ::::: |
| 20:23.10 | k3k0 | i want watch one movie whitch is packeted in 35 fucking pcs :D |
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| 20:23.26 | tarzeau | k3k0: what is the movie called? |
| 20:23.26 | Chris``` | where can i find eggdrop.conf |
| 20:23.32 | tarzeau | Chris```: in /etc probably |
| 20:23.35 | darxeth | tarzeau: -------------------- !!! :S :S ??? |
| 20:23.42 | Tarrendine | 2 all thx... I'm going to download... |
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| 20:23.51 | Ronin | Chris```: depends on how you installed the eggdrop |
| 20:23.52 | tarzeau | darxeth: a/s/l? |
| 20:23.58 | Chris``` | no it aint there .. thats firs t place i looked |
| 20:23.59 | k3k0 | tarzeau: family movie.. ;) |
| 20:24.08 | tarzeau | Chris```: you installed it from source? |
| 20:24.15 | Chris``` | apt-get install eggdrop |
| 20:24.17 | Chris``` | i ran that |
| 20:24.29 | tarzeau | k3k0: hahaha i don't believe you no single word |
| 20:24.36 | tarzeau | Chris```: try dpkg -L eggdrop |
| 20:24.44 | mirak | is there a way to set the cache size used for asynchrnous mountings ? |
| 20:24.45 | tarzeau | Chris```: you never read /usr/share/doc/eggdrop ? |
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| 20:24.59 | k3k0 | tarzeau: :D |
| 20:25.07 | darxeth | tarzeau: ----- setxkbmap ar ---------- setxkbmap en !!! |
| 20:25.18 | tarzeau | darxeth: LOL |
| 20:25.30 | tarzeau | darxeth: yeah "ar" was good, now try "ru" |
| 20:25.32 | darxeth | tarzeau: :S :S :S |
| 20:25.39 | darxeth | ????????????????? |
| 20:25.47 | tarzeau | darxeth: hey can you not write normal? |
| 20:25.53 | darxeth | !! |
| 20:25.54 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 20:25.56 | darxeth | -- |
| 20:25.57 | tarzeau | (i guess his keyboard map is fucked :) |
| 20:26.01 | tarzeau | poor guy |
| 20:26.13 | tarzeau | that's why i put these commands in a mouse clickable menu on the livecd.gnustep.org |
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| 20:26.58 | darxeth | tarzeau: _______ ! |
| 20:27.15 | darxeth | S 0 S !! |
| 20:27.24 | tarzeau | darxeth: use the mouse and copy paste the right command |
| 20:27.28 | tarzeau | darxeth: try de or de_DE |
| 20:27.32 | helix | wtf |
| 20:27.43 | tarzeau | helix: bom dia |
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| 20:27.57 | helix | gruezi wohl |
| 20:28.07 | eb2 | Where in debian should i set my path? export path seems to have no effect in ~.basrc |
| 20:28.12 | eb2 | .bashrc even |
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| 20:28.24 | tarzeau | eb2: the path for who? root? a user? all users? |
| 20:28.36 | darxeth | tarzeau: S 0 S -- en |
| 20:28.42 | tarzeau | eb2: why do you even want to change the $PATH in debian? |
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| 20:28.49 | eb2 | tarzeau: i installed java |
| 20:28.57 | eb2 | and i need to include its bin directory in my path |
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| 20:29.05 | tarzeau | eb2: that's your problem. not debians |
| 20:29.06 | eb2 | preferebly for all suers with 1 change |
| 20:29.16 | eb2 | tarzeau: ehh yes i knwo its my problem |
| 20:29.17 | tarzeau | eb2: try #sun |
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| 20:29.22 | eb2 | i wouldnt be asking about others problems |
| 20:29.26 | k3k0 | can someone tellme how to unrar one movie with unrar-nonfree from console??!?!? movie is in many pcs.. like this familymovie.rar, familymovie2.rar, familymovie3.rar etc.. :) |
| 20:29.39 | eb2 | but my questions is why debian dont seam ot read the standard .bashrc file |
| 20:29.40 | pipeline | eb2: You probably want to modify things in /etc/profile |
| 20:29.46 | pipeline | eb2: It does, there's a set of default files |
| 20:29.49 | tarzeau | k3k0: unrar -x jennydoesdallas.rar |
| 20:29.54 | petemc | k3k0: unrar x familymovie.rar |
| 20:29.56 | pipeline | eb2: Your ~/.bashrc will always override the defaults, however |
| 20:30.01 | tarzeau | eb2: it does. no idea what you did |
| 20:30.17 | pipeline | eb2: There's actually two sets of defaults, as one is only used at new account creation time (skeleton) |
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| 20:30.33 | darxeth | darxeth@debian505:~$ setxkbmap de_DE |
| 20:30.34 | darxeth | Error loading new keyboard description |
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| 20:31.05 | eb2 | tarzeau: there is no reason to seem overly hostile, maybe look how everyone else answers.... |
| 20:31.13 | darxeth | oh FINALZ |
| 20:31.26 | darxeth | FINALLZ ZZ ! |
| 20:31.31 | bowman | heya. I have some trouble with pcmcia, kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 doesn't seem to include the yenta_socket module, is that meant to be this way? :-) |
| 20:31.37 | darxeth | where is engleshhhhhhh |
| 20:31.41 | eb2 | thank pipeline, /etc/profile did the trick |
| 20:31.47 | tarzeau | eb2: i think the problem is not that debian doesn't read it, or bash doesn't. it's you who did something wrong |
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| 20:31.55 | tarzeau | eb2: profile changes it for everybody using bash |
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| 20:32.37 | sabmoc | I haven't used debian for a while, whats the command to find out if a certain package is installed, and what version it is? |
| 20:32.50 | thingfish | dpkg -s packagename |
| 20:32.51 | dpkg | Package: packagename: Status: install ok installed |
| 20:32.55 | pipeline | sabmoc: apt-cache and dpkg will help you with that |
| 20:33.10 | darxeth | tarzeau hez whats the word to change to englesh not deutch |
| 20:33.19 | tarzeau | darxeth: us |
| 20:33.32 | tarzeau | darxeth: why did you try "ar"? i mean... |
| 20:33.44 | tarzeau | sabmoc: -l works too |
| 20:33.49 | ark3qqq | AmeRican ? :) |
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| 20:33.51 | darxeth | tarzeau: why it didnt work? |
| 20:34.05 | tarzeau | darxeth: what didn't work? i guess PEBKAC |
| 20:34.12 | tarzeau | darxeth: it works all perfect here |
| 20:34.17 | tarzeau | ark3qqq: haha |
| 20:34.34 | darxeth | tarzeau: but i didnt see arabic chars |
| 20:34.42 | tarzeau | darxeth: because your fonts are incomplete |
| 20:34.59 | darxeth | tarzeau: and how am gonna complete it? |
| 20:35.15 | tarzeau | darxeth: apt-cache search arabic font |
| 20:35.26 | tarzeau | darxeth: the fonts that are complete are big and non-free |
| 20:35.34 | tarzeau | darxeth: i doubt you'll have one font for everything |
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| 20:35.46 | tarzeau | darxeth: unless you download them illegally (or buy them) |
| 20:36.32 | darxeth | tarzeau: downloading music is illegal |
| 20:36.38 | tarzeau | darxeth: no it's not |
| 20:36.48 | simonrvn | depends where you are |
| 20:36.50 | sabmoc | thingfish:: `dpkg -s libapache2-mod-php` will it work if I dont include a .deb at the end of the package name? |
| 20:36.54 | pipeline | darxeth, tarzeau: There are several free arabic fonts. |
| 20:36.55 | darxeth | tarzeau: i need arabic and hebrew chars in my system. how am gonna do that? |
| 20:37.03 | tarzeau | simonrvn: also depends who did the music and distributes it under what license |
| 20:37.11 | pipeline | darxeth: Do you have a windows license? There's always Arial Unicode MS |
| 20:37.16 | simonrvn | tarzeau: that's true too |
| 20:37.22 | tarzeau | pipeline: i didn't say there are none |
| 20:37.40 | thingfish | sabmoc: try it and see. |
| 20:37.42 | tarzeau | pipeline: i just said having a COMPLETE font with everything is pretty hard to find, find me a free one (i have a 25mb one here) |
| 20:37.43 | pipeline | SuperSox: You will note that downloading from iTMS on your linux system is infringement. |
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| 20:37.59 | tarzeau | darxeth: use apt-cache search |
| 20:38.01 | darxeth | pipeline: yes i think i have arial unicode ms... but i have to switch to windows to use them |
| 20:38.02 | pipeline | tarzeau: There are no complete fonts, but there are many free fonts that include the subset of unicode that is arabic :P |
| 20:38.03 | SuperSox | pipeline: but it isn't on an apple system or my windows system :) |
| 20:38.03 | sabmoc | thingfish:: yes, but it says it is not installed. So I was wondering if I did it right. |
| 20:38.15 | tarzeau | pipeline: that's what i said |
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| 20:38.28 | pipeline | darxeth: You can install arial unicode MS under Linux. Search on google, it's not that hard with defoma. |
| 20:38.50 | pipeline | SuperSox: This is not #macosx or #windowsnt. |
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| 20:38.56 | tarzeau | pipeline: that's the one i meant. i found it on some font dir of mplayer |
| 20:39.24 | pipeline | tarzeau: typical of mplayer to redistribute, heedless of copyrights |
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| 20:39.35 | thingfish | sabmoc: which debian are you using? |
| 20:39.45 | SuperSox | pipeline: true, but I only stated that I could download from iTunes legally, I didn't state how I did it, I didn't think it was a linux distribution specific topic |
| 20:39.46 | darxeth | pipeline tarzeau: i found the following apt-cache arabic fonts: ttf-arabeyes - Arabeyes GPL TrueType Arabic fonts |
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| 20:40.05 | tarzeau | darxeth: so what? do you need a course on apt-get ? |
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| 20:40.14 | darxeth | pipeline tarzeau: now to install the ttf should i use apt-get? |
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| 20:40.17 | pipeline | darxeth: A lot of free fonts have arabic characters |
| 20:40.26 | tarzeau | darxeth: of course (you install the package with ttf, not the ttf itself) |
| 20:40.33 | pipeline | darxeth: install "x-ttcidfont-conf" and "msttcorefonts" |
| 20:40.34 | sabmoc | thingfish:: Im logged in remotely, this is not my server. Its debian-3.1 |
| 20:40.36 | piernik | Hi can someone help me with english grammar? |
| 20:40.48 | tarzeau | piernik: if you ask... |
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| 20:40.57 | darxeth | pipeline: whats that your last line? |
| 20:41.07 | thingfish | sabmoc: try libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 20:41.09 | ark3qqq | Wow, I've never realized how cool/useful chroot is. |
| 20:41.12 | piernik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.21 | HeavyD | Hey guys. I know there is a lot of debate about which is best, but what do you guys personally use as a Window manager? |
| 20:41.22 | thingfish | I think you just did. |
| 20:41.30 | thingfish | piernik. |
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| 20:41.37 | tarzeau | HeavyD: Window Maker |
| 20:41.41 | piernik | is this correct? |
| 20:41.45 | thingfish | sure |
| 20:41.47 | sabmoc | thingfish:: not installed and no info available. |
| 20:41.51 | piernik | thanks |
| 20:41.55 | tarzeau | piernik: programming, rest looks fine |
| 20:42.02 | pipeline | darxeth: Install "msttcorefonts" , "x-ttcidfont-conf", "ttf-xfree86-nonfree", and the openoffice.org fonts. Between those packages, you should have at least the four or five most common sets of arabic characters. |
| 20:42.03 | piernik | :) |
| 20:42.07 | pipeline | darxeth: Also, is your locale set correctly? |
| 20:42.13 | tarzeau | darxeth: and ttf-junicode ttf-gentium |
| 20:42.23 | pipeline | tarzeau: What good are single font packages? |
| 20:42.25 | tarzeau | (yes the latter is non-free) |
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| 20:42.43 | tarzeau | pipeline: i didn't get any input what good are multiple fonts packages |
| 20:42.45 | pipeline | HeavyD: I use a full Gnome 2 environment with all the bells and whistles. It's very nice. |
| 20:42.59 | tarzeau | pipeline: they are from different authors, so they can be released at different times |
| 20:43.02 | pipeline | tarzeau: Well, he probably wants the same font packages you have. A surprising number of Free fonts include arabic, japanese, and hebrew |
| 20:43.12 | darxeth | pipeline: you mean the time? |
| 20:43.14 | HeavyD | pipeline: Ok, you like Gnome better than KDE? |
| 20:43.26 | tarzeau | HeavyD: i hate both |
| 20:43.30 | pipeline | darxeth: No, I mean the locale. "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 20:43.45 | pipeline | darxeth: Choose some kind of UTF-8 locale, you'll be able to see pretty much all international characters. |
| 20:43.49 | tarzeau | HeavyD: i use window maker with mostly only gnustep apps , http://livecd.gnustep.org |
| 20:43.55 | peterS | what's up with Withdraw? my nospambot log tells me it keeps poking its head in |
| 20:44.06 | pipeline | HeavyD: Yes, I prefer Gnome to KDE, but they're both very fine choices. |
| 20:44.17 | darxeth | pipeline: can i pm you? i might need perpetual help atm :) |
| 20:44.18 | pipeline | HeavyD: There's a ton of faux-minimalist fluxbox trolls in here. |
| 20:44.27 | pipeline | darxeth: No. Ask in-channel. |
| 20:44.27 | Phated | .. |
| 20:44.29 | HeavyD | tarzeau: Thanks for your info. |
| 20:44.31 | tarzeau | don't forget amiwm |
| 20:44.35 | darxeth | pipeline: my aim not just to apply things, but also to understand |
| 20:44.36 | HeavyD | pipeline: Thanks. I appreciate it. |
| 20:44.37 | francoise | hello everyone |
| 20:44.53 | darxeth | pipeline: ok then would you bear with me for a bit? |
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| 20:45.04 | pipeline | darxeth: The "locales" package handles how binary data is interpreted as text. If you choose a UTF-8 locale as the system default, you'll be able to see/read international text fine |
| 20:45.21 | k3k0 | what is good ftpserver for debain |
| 20:45.24 | k3k0 | debian |
| 20:45.29 | tarzeau | k3k0: profptd |
| 20:45.30 | pipeline | darxeth: "locales" also handles stuff like the time and date format |
| 20:45.33 | tarzeau | proftpd |
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| 20:45.46 | francoise | how to get a good and comprehensive French documentation to install Debian ? |
| 20:45.46 | k3k0 | thanx |
| 20:45.48 | SuperSox | !dri |
| 20:45.49 | dpkg | somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri, or /join #dri |
| 20:45.49 | pipeline | k3k0: You should first ask yourself why you're running an ftp daemon |
| 20:45.57 | tarzeau | francoise: from www.debian.org (/doc) |
| 20:46.01 | pipeline | k3k0: You may want to install the "scponly" shell and give users SFTP accounts |
| 20:46.01 | chealer | francoise: you'Re installing woody or sarge? |
| 20:46.03 | tarzeau | and also |
| 20:46.06 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 20:46.06 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:46.21 | k3k0 | i must transfer this fucking family movie in windooz machine :) |
| 20:46.22 | valdyn | !french |
| 20:46.22 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:46.25 | nctr | word. |
| 20:46.29 | francoise | chealer : I don't known exactly the difference... is one developing ? |
| 20:46.33 | francoise | valdyn : thx |
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| 20:46.36 | francoise | tarzeau : ibid. |
| 20:46.37 | dabreegster | Hey, where is the console input driver in 2.6.8 sources? I'm trying to find the code that translates keysyms (actions) from Linux Console Tools keymaps to actions, like Incr_Console to the code that changes the current VT to the next VT. |
| 20:46.44 | tarzeau | k3k0: send it to me, i will transfer it |
| 20:46.48 | dabreegster | Yes, I've asked in #kernel. They're quiet. |
| 20:46.49 | k3k0 | :D |
| 20:46.49 | chealer | francoise: one is in testing, yes. how do you want to use debian? |
| 20:46.55 | pipeline | dabreegster: I told you that was ugly, shitty code. Now you will find out first hand. |
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| 20:47.01 | darxeth | pipeline: you meant dpkg --reconfigure locales, right? cause tells me command not found |
| 20:47.08 | pipeline | darxeth: dpkg-reconfigure should be a valid command. |
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| 20:47.21 | pipeline | darxeth: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:47.32 | pipeline | darxeth: If it is not, you're probably running as a non-root user. |
| 20:47.34 | darxeth | pipeline: or maybe su -c ? |
| 20:47.40 | dabreegster | pipeline: I messed around with X, various xterms, and ratpoison last night. It doesnt run too smoothly as far as speed. I've got an older box. |
| 20:47.48 | pipeline | dabreegster: How old must it be not to handle X well? |
| 20:47.52 | darxeth | oh alright |
| 20:47.54 | francoise | chealer : I am studying IT in my university-like school, but even I use Solaris&Fedora at school, I just have Windows at home |
| 20:48.06 | pipeline | dabreegster: Also, I have a hard time believing that framebuffer works on a system that is too slow for X. |
| 20:48.16 | pipeline | dabreegster: I can use X just fine on my R4000 Indy, but framebuffer is slower than a motherfucker. |
| 20:48.21 | dabreegster | pipeline: the xterm doesnt run smoothly |
| 20:48.30 | dabreegster | pipeline: maybe it's the background image, but still |
| 20:48.30 | chealer | francoise: if you want to use it as a desktop, we recommend the testing version, currently codenamed sarge. |
| 20:48.45 | pipeline | dabreegster: You are a strange and twisted fellow. Background images are a bad thing. |
| 20:48.48 | djw | university-like school, that's a new one on me |
| 20:48.58 | dabreegster | pipeline: The point is X introduces lots of new problems and it'd only solve one: hotkeys. |
| 20:49.00 | chealer | francoise: don't be too scared, it's more stable than the name says |
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| 20:49.15 | dabreegster | pipeline: I know I'm crazy. |
| 20:49.16 | pipeline | francoise: You almost certainly want Sarge/testing, even if it is a server. Woody is very, very old |
| 20:49.21 | pipeline | dabreegster: Less crazy than foolish. :) |
| 20:49.27 | darxeth | pipeline: i think i once typed that command and checked the locales i need... such as ar_SA ... |
| 20:49.28 | pipeline | djw: Perhaps it is a standalone college. |
| 20:49.33 | chealer | francoise: check http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ |
| 20:49.38 | pipeline | djw: Or a technology school at the university level |
| 20:49.39 | dabreegster | pipeline: I'd rather solve the hotkeys-on-console problem than experiment with X. It's just the way I am. |
| 20:49.47 | djw | pipeline: mmmm, I'm wondering that |
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| 20:49.56 | pipeline | dabreegster: X11 was designed to solve the exact problem that you have right now |
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| 20:50.01 | valdyn | dabreegster: _which_ hotkeys? |
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| 20:50.17 | dabreegster | valdyn: not multimedia hotkeys, just my number pad. |
| 20:50.24 | pipeline | dabreegster: X11 is actually a miserable failure as far as bitmapped graphics. Its explicit purpose was to handle three applications: xterm, xclock, and xcalc. |
| 20:50.34 | dabreegster | valdyn: I'm trying to map some normal keys to execute commands. No, bind/readline won't work. |
| 20:50.41 | francoise | chealer : I didn't say I wanted a desktop version : I have to program in C&&Lisp(&&TeX) on a powerful distrol, and run some useful services like sshd |
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| 20:51.08 | valdyn | dabreegster: hotkeyed |
| 20:51.11 | francoise | pipeline : ok thx |
| 20:51.11 | dabreegster | valdyn: readline only works with readline apps like bash. Plus, it writes to the screen. I want to press a key and have my music daemon receive a signal to change the tracks. Silently. |
| 20:51.24 | dabreegster | valdyn: I'm checking that out now, but I think it's for X. |
| 20:51.29 | chealer | francoise: that makes no difference :) development should also be easier with sarge |
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| 20:51.43 | carbon60 | Afternoon all. |
| 20:52.00 | pipeline | francoise: As a fedora user, something that will surprise you about debian is "-dev" packages. |
| 20:52.11 | valdyn | dabreegster: seems like it |
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| 20:52.16 | francoise | pipeline : er |
| 20:52.25 | francoise | chealer: ok :) concerning the website you gave me: 1. Thank you. 2. Is it the full documentation that I can get about Debian ? |
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| 20:52.32 | pipeline | francoise: To get headers and the things you need to compile applications with a library, you have to install "<librarypackagename>-dev" -- the library package alone only installs the runtimes. |
| 20:52.35 | carbon60 | What is the *simplest* way of logging CPU and memory usage on a system? |
| 20:52.38 | dabreegster | valdyn: I'll hack the source to not use X if I have to. Or I'll try a userspace keylogger. |
| 20:52.49 | lu | does the debian packages(for mysql) automatically create the the mysql_install_db? |
| 20:52.54 | chealer | francoise: not at all. that's the documentation for the installer of the next version (sarge) |
| 20:52.54 | pipeline | dabreegster: Install VMS, problem solved :P |
| 20:52.59 | darxeth | pipeline: do i need to all that "msttcorefonts" , "x-ttcidfont-conf", "ttf-xfree86-nonfree" to apply the arabic fonts? |
| 20:53.10 | dabreegster | pipeline: No thanks. |
| 20:53.13 | darxeth | pipeline: or just any fonts..? |
| 20:53.22 | pipeline | darxeth: They're packages related to fonts that will get you a lot of fonts. I don't actually know what they contain. |
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| 20:53.51 | francoise | chealer : ok |
| 20:54.06 | darxeth | and those fonts of the open-office, shoud i apt-get install oppen-office itself or just its fonts? |
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| 20:54.19 | pipeline | darxeth: You probably also want xfonts-scalable and xfonts-intl-arabic |
| 20:54.21 | dabreegster | But does anybody know where in the kernel source keysyms are translated to the code that says what they do? |
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| 20:54.53 | darxeth | pipeline: and after i download them, whats the next step? |
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| 20:54.59 | ribnitz | hello |
| 20:55.14 | pipeline | darxeth: The system will handle everything past that. It'll configure it and set everything up. All you have to do is restart X. |
| 20:55.31 | valdyn | dabreegster: cat /dev/input/<whatever> , dont need to fuck with kernel |
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| 20:55.37 | pipeline | darxeth: That's one of debian's best features: Defoma, the debian font manager. Setting up fonts on UNIX systems is a pain in the ass. |
| 20:55.39 | diapaga | hi |
| 20:55.45 | dabreegster | valdyn: I'll try; thanks |
| 20:55.48 | francoise | pipeline : er... I don't really understand what you said about "dev" librairies, can you give me a link to documentation about this ? ;) |
| 20:56.01 | ribnitz | pipeline: if only there were fonts. |
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| 20:56.19 | darxeth | pipeline: oh.. i already "feel" that.. apt-get install defoma? |
| 20:56.19 | pipeline | ribnitz: I think there are plenty of reasonably-free fonts. |
| 20:56.29 | ribnitz | hello diapaga |
| 20:56.31 | pipeline | darxeth: defoma will be pulled in by the other font packages. |
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| 20:56.40 | pipeline | darxeth: if you don't have it installed, install "x-window-system" |
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| 20:56.51 | pipeline | darxeth: Do you get the feeling that you're going to end up installing tons of stuff? |
| 20:56.56 | darxeth | pipeline: i have the x-window-system |
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| 20:56.58 | diapaga | hello ribnitz |
| 20:56.59 | pipeline | darxeth: My attitude on fonts is "install everything and see what sticks" |
| 20:57.04 | ribnitz | pipeline: I need the Eurostile font... translate that into install font package xyz.. |
| 20:57.30 | darxeth | pipeline: ok then... i'll see what the results will be..... :\ |
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| 20:57.39 | pipeline | ribnitz: Heh, that is a royal pain. It would be lovely if fonts had individual metapackages or something. Maybe in another five years :| |
| 20:57.40 | e_machinist | Any rumors on the date when Sarge will become the current stable release? |
| 20:57.49 | pipeline | e_machinist: Nobody knows. Anyone who claims to is lying. |
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| 20:57.53 | dabreegster | valdyn: all I've got in /dev/input/ is event0 event1 event2 mice mouse0 ts0. It's a PS2 keyboard, I think. /dev/psaux? |
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| 20:58.01 | e_machinist | pipeline, tis the nature of rumors. |
| 20:58.07 | pipeline | e_machinist: Rumor has it that Sarge becomes stable in march of two years ago. |
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| 20:58.42 | valdyn | dabreegster: nah that would be your ps2 mouse, my keyboard shows in /dev/input/event0 ( at least the few keys i jsut tried ) |
| 20:58.45 | ribnitz | pipeline: Or: I have 3 (postcript) font files here, how can I use them in application XYZ? |
| 20:58.47 | e_machinist | pipeline, I ask only because Woody is still the one that people burn and sell, turns off a lot of people from Debian. |
| 20:58.51 | ark3qqq | ribnitz: Isn't Eurostile an expensive Linotype font? |
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| 20:59.06 | paulswm | Reading a mispelled message from a package maintainer upon upgrading does not inspire one with confidence in the distribution: Please restart any running Firfoxes, or you will exprience problems. |
| 20:59.17 | pipeline | ribnitz: That's a problem you CAN solve with defoma (albeit with some pain) |
| 20:59.19 | dabreegster | valdyn: I tried all events, none of em seemed to be it. Oh well. |
| 20:59.24 | ribnitz | ark3qqq: it is. (and it looks like Arial) |
| 20:59.27 | paulswm | Looks like an iffy 'e' on the keyboard |
| 20:59.29 | lu | hello, hoping to get some debian support on mysql, the #mysql peeps there now don't speak debian.. inthe initial install of mysql.. how do i configur the root mysql user |
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| 20:59.34 | darxeth | ??????????? |
| 20:59.35 | simonrvn | e_machinist: current stable |
| 20:59.42 | peterS | paulswm: well, you'd better restart your firfoxes then |
| 20:59.44 | dabreegster | valdyn: actually, event0 *is* it. It's just outputting gibberish. |
| 20:59.50 | pipeline | ribnitz: As for the application side of things: use one desktop environment all the time and you don't have a problem :P |
| 20:59.59 | valdyn | dabreegster: well, its not gibberish, its just not outputting ascii |
| 21:00.04 | pipeline | e_machinist: Yup. |
| 21:00.14 | paulswm | peterS: Yes, I don't want to have the bad exprience |
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| 21:00.24 | dabreegster | valdyn: is it echoing the characters you type? For me it's unicode stuff, like the kind /dev/random produces. |
| 21:00.28 | ribnitz | pipeline: And what if youi have 6 users on 5 desktop environments and two platforms? |
| 21:00.29 | peterS | dabreegster: wait ... in what context do you need to specify a keyboard device here? |
| 21:00.55 | ribnitz | ark3qqq: Dont ask me why the company bougght that font. |
| 21:00.56 | peterS | dabreegster: the /dev/input/event* interface outputs binary data structures, not literal keystrokes |
| 21:00.59 | valdyn | dabreegster: its a binary code representing key press and key release events, there should be docs on google or in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ |
| 21:01.12 | peterS | applications have to parse the structures (which is easy to do, they're very simple) |
| 21:01.15 | simonrvn | peterS: firfox. foxes that hide in firs |
| 21:01.19 | dabreegster | peterS: I just want to map a normal key to execute a command, without using readline/bind. Why? Because readline needs a readline app like bash open and I might be in vim. Also, it writes stuff to the screen. |
| 21:01.21 | peterS | simonrvn: yeah |
| 21:01.23 | pipeline | ribnitz: Yes, at that point you're fucked. Standardize on Gnome, the cross-platform option, or Gnome on Debian, a cross-architecture, cross-platform option. |
| 21:01.25 | dabreegster | valdyn: ok |
| 21:01.27 | ark3qqq | ribnitz: I don't think it looks like Arial... Yeah, it's sans-serif, but it looks pretty different. |
| 21:01.31 | valdyn | dabreegster: still easier to find a tool that already decodes this, but fuck with kernel stuff would be harder |
| 21:01.38 | peterS | dabreegster: linux console, or in X? |
| 21:01.39 | pipeline | ribnitz: That, or live with X11 bitmap fonts. Everything can load the 80's formats :P |
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| 21:01.45 | dabreegster | valdyn: I was hoping I could monitor on a level a bit above the scancode level. |
| 21:01.52 | dabreegster | peterS: console |
| 21:02.04 | ribnitz | pipeline: atm we have kde (urks) and xfce4. |
| 21:02.10 | peterS | dabreegster: you may be able to do it by editing /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 21:02.11 | ribnitz | pipeline: and windoze |
| 21:02.12 | dabreegster | peterS: there are hotkey daemons, but they all seem to be for X. and I dunno if they'll recognize normal, non-multimedia keys |
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| 21:02.47 | dabreegster | peterS: been there, done that. That generates keysyms like Last_Console. The code for handling is in the console driver. Which I cant seem to find the source too. |
| 21:02.49 | peterS | dabreegster: well, keymaps don't actually let you execute commands directly, they just let you map a key to a string of bytes |
| 21:03.07 | pipeline | ribnitz: If you standardized on Gnome, you would be able to use the same applications and fonts across all three platforms (TTF, gnome libraries on windows with native backends, etc) |
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| 21:03.36 | dabreegster | peterS: I know, but where's the code that turns the keysyms into the string of bytes? I could modify it to silently execute a command. |
| 21:03.39 | ribnitz | pipeline: BUT THEY WANT KDE. dont ask me why. |
| 21:03.49 | peterS | dabreegster: it's in the kernel, as you suspected |
| 21:03.52 | dabreegster | peterS: by silently I mean without writing anything at all to the screen, unlike readline. |
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| 21:04.01 | pipeline | ribnitz: Yeah, that's their loss. KDE barely works on Solaris, much less the win32 port. |
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| 21:04.09 | dabreegster | peterS: I know, I've got the source (2.6.8) but I can't find the console input driver. |
| 21:04.18 | pipeline | ribnitz: Also, Qt font management is a nightmare, even on the relative scale that is CDE, X11, and Gnome |
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| 21:04.57 | darxeth | pipeline: ok i've installed everything... i guess. now to log off and log on again? |
| 21:04.59 | peterS | dabreegster: if you only have *one* such command, you can bind some key to KeyboardSignal, and use the 'kbrequest' line in /etc/inittab |
| 21:05.10 | peterS | dabreegster: then init itself will intercept your key and run your command |
| 21:05.27 | peterS | dabreegster: by default this is bound to Alt-Up |
| 21:05.36 | dabreegster | peterS: true, but I was hoping for several commands, like start/stop music, pause it, change track, get online, get offline... |
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| 21:06.04 | pipeline | darxeth: also, restart gdm |
| 21:06.10 | Yoshimo | Hi, Linux doesnt recognize that i have a hard drive |
| 21:06.11 | pipeline | darxeth: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 21:06.14 | peterS | dabreegster: you might be best off opening /dev/input/event* after all, and parsing keystrokes. perl or C would work for that |
| 21:06.16 | Yoshimo | i have a wester digital |
| 21:06.18 | mrhemlock | dabreegster, moosic |
| 21:06.21 | pipeline | darxeth: and if you're not using gdm, you should be, it's much nicer than fucking with startx |
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| 21:06.32 | Yoshimo | and ive got the drivers for it on a floppy |
| 21:06.33 | dabreegster | mrhemlock: The daemon isn't the problem |
| 21:06.42 | Yoshimo | but it still wont let me install |
| 21:06.51 | Yoshimo | pleeeez someone help |
| 21:07.07 | dabreegster | peterS: Alright. A daemon continiously listening to /dev/input/event0 and parsing the gibberish into meaningful keysyms is my best bet then. Thanks. |
| 21:07.08 | valdyn | dabreegster: i found a tool, it compiles, its small, works for me: http://www.escape-edv.de/endriss/vdr/misc/evexec.c |
| 21:07.19 | dabreegster | valdyn: awesome, I'll try it. Thanks. |
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| 21:07.27 | peterS | dabreegster: might be your best bet. I don't know of a better approach. |
| 21:08.03 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, what type of drive, and what version are you installing ? |
| 21:08.09 | darxeth | pipeline: dont worry i got the gdm ;) |
| 21:08.37 | pipeline | darxeth: gdm is so insanely great, it's a pisser that it has gnome dependencies. |
| 21:08.53 | Yoshimo | its a partitioned raid0 Western digital WD1600JD |
| 21:08.55 | darxeth | pipeline: but man.. i cant understand this whole thing called linux :( dont laugh. all those directories... and all those commands... how can i remember them for later use |
| 21:09.14 | valdyn | darxeth: /msg dpkg refcard |
| 21:09.28 | darxeth | .msg dpkg refcard |
| 21:09.30 | pipeline | darxeth: UNIX is pointlessly arcane. It's like riding a bicycle with eighteen redundant pedals. You get used to it. |
| 21:10.03 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, what is your install media ? install testing or stable ? |
| 21:10.15 | paulswm | darxeth: Practice makes perfect. You spend a few weeks at the command line and you'll be grepping, awking and cutting like a true Unix geek |
| 21:10.18 | Yoshimo | what do you mean? |
| 21:10.28 | pipeline | darxeth: not that being a true UNIX geek is a good thing |
| 21:10.29 | darxeth | pipeline: if i get writing downing everything you say without understanding it.. i'll just end up with nothing usefull in mind |
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| 21:10.40 | pipeline | darxeth: "dpkg-reconfigure" is a command you'll use all the time |
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| 21:11.04 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, you are trying to install sarge or woody ? |
| 21:11.26 | Yoshimo | im a noob, i have no idea what your talking about |
| 21:11.30 | pipeline | darxeth: common command-line commands that you'll want to know the arguments for are cd, tar, ls, du, df, ln, cp, and ssh. |
| 21:11.47 | dabreegster | valdyn: Not to creep you out or anything, but I worship you. That program works perfectly. I couldn't have found a better one. Where'd you get it? |
| 21:11.50 | mrhemlock | where did you get the install cd from ? |
| 21:11.50 | Inquisitor | do anyone know why the picture in xawtv becomes really bright when using grabdisplay mode ? |
| 21:11.58 | pipeline | darxeth: They all have names from the sixties, when terminals were 33 bytes/second instead of 9600 bytes per second. |
| 21:12.12 | Yoshimo | from debian.org |
| 21:12.28 | Yoshimo | its Debian 3.0r4 i believe |
| 21:12.28 | darxeth | pipeline: nothing comes easy these days |
| 21:12.29 | pipeline | darxeth: That's also not a good thing. UNIX sucks in many, many, many ways. It's just the best thing available. |
| 21:13.09 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, what was it called ? which from what directory ? |
| 21:13.15 | valdyn | dabreegster: googleing "/dev/input daemon" lead me to a german vdr wiki entry that listed this tool to use a remotecontrol |
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| 21:14.02 | ryan_ | anyone know how to get a 2.6 kernel working on woody? |
| 21:14.21 | pipeline | ryan_: There's a key in the blootbot, dpkg, but I don't remember what it is :( |
| 21:14.21 | dabreegster | valdyn: This solved all my problems. All I have to do is make my little daemon to manage it. perl -e 'print "Thank you!" while 1' |
| 21:14.26 | mxldr | you know whats interesting- is cult of the dead cow marketing their back orifice a legit remote admin tool. its even on source forge |
| 21:14.34 | mrhemlock | ryan_, apt-get.org look for bunk2.6 |
| 21:14.37 | darxeth | pipeline: microsoft have poisoned our minds.. i mean, in a society like mine, they dont even know what OS is, they dont know wtf is UNIX or linux or that there's more than one browser in the worlder, all they know and all they use is windows (of-course with perpetual friggin upgrades) and MSIE... |
| 21:14.38 | peterS | ryan_: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 21:14.38 | Yoshimo | 3.0 r4/i386 |
| 21:14.42 | mxldr | has Cdc gone legit? |
| 21:14.47 | ribnitz | Yoshimo: they usually call it woody, sarge or sid, depending on the version. |
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| 21:15.14 | pipeline | darxeth: Well, nothing wrong with that. Most people don't need to know. They pay other people to know that kind of shit. |
| 21:15.21 | ribnitz | Yoshimo: in your case thats woody. |
| 21:15.26 | Yoshimo | i guess so |
| 21:15.34 | Yoshimo | ive never seen it called that before |
| 21:15.46 | pipeline | darxeth: I can do exactly three things with my car: Change the tires, change the oil, and drive it. That's all I want to know. Anything more complex than that, I pay someone to fuck with it. |
| 21:15.47 | darxeth | pipeline: i wish i can get a good grasp on linux and after that i'll get to study the c language and open a sorta club that studies linux and programming in linux, instead of this cunning microsoft shit |
| 21:15.57 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, also called stable |
| 21:16.03 | ribnitz | Yoshimo: Debian acts in many mysterious ways, thats one of them. |
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| 21:16.14 | pipeline | darxeth: The C language is pretty awful. Don't learn it as a first language. |
| 21:16.16 | sunbx | k. i put my drive in sleep mode with hdparm. now how can i turn it back on ? can't find |
| 21:16.29 | pipeline | darxeth: I mean, C is wonderful for certain purposes, but as a general purpose language, it's not very nice at all. |
| 21:16.37 | Yoshimo | so how could i get it to recognize my HD? |
| 21:16.57 | pipeline | darxeth: If you honestly want to learn the art and science of programming, there are textbooks I can recommend, and none of them will start you off with C or Java. |
| 21:16.59 | mxldr | who uses KSirc? instead of xchat |
| 21:17.06 | darxeth | pipeline: of course. i learned pascal, and i learned visual basic. and all of them under windows. now i want to change |
| 21:17.09 | ribnitz | Yoshimo: do you have a Serial ATA disk? |
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| 21:17.22 | Yoshimo | i believe so |
| 21:17.34 | pipeline | darxeth: If you're thoroughly familiar with pascal, C will be a breeze. |
| 21:17.38 | ryan_ | peterS, mrhemlock, pipeline: thanks |
| 21:17.40 | ribnitz | Yoshimo: broadband access? |
| 21:17.45 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, I dont know if that will work on raid0, I would get sarge netinst, and boot linux26. see topic on how to get "d-i", msg the bot like in topic ..... |
| 21:17.45 | Yoshimo | ya |
| 21:17.51 | darxeth | pipeline: i know exactly why i want to learn c. i even bought an assymbly language book just to get closed to the art of computers |
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| 21:18.13 | ribnitz | Yoshimo: get the sarge netinst + base cd image (100 MB) |
| 21:18.25 | pipeline | darxeth: Assembly language is the nuts and bolts. The art is in the lambda calculus. |
| 21:18.29 | Yoshimo | where can i find that? |
| 21:18.29 | peterS | yeah, C is like Pascal with the syntax switched around a bit and the libraries more extensive and the whole thing a bit more flexible |
| 21:18.37 | valdyn | darxeth: you dont get close to understanding anything by chosing to not use abstraction mechanisms |
| 21:18.51 | pipeline | darxeth: Do you mind if I PM you? |
| 21:18.53 | ribnitz | darxeth: you dont want to start with assemly language or c. Take eg. Scheme.. |
| 21:19.03 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, "/msg dpkg d-i" |
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| 21:19.08 | darxeth | pipeline: no of-course, go ahead |
| 21:19.13 | pipeline | peterS: I would argue that one of C's greatest strengths is that it's LESS flexible than pascal. Pascal structures are a pain to write a portable compiler for, and leave a lot of room for ambiguity. |
| 21:19.29 | Faust | Hi there! Is there any possibility to use the current X in debian with an Intel 915GM graphic adaptor (centrino)? Or do I have to compile Xorg manually? |
| 21:19.34 | peterS | pipeline: by flexible I mean things like <stdarg.h> which Pascal has no equivalent to. or didn't last I knew |
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| 21:19.44 | ribnitz | darxeth: when do you recognise a hose better?- From 20m away or from 2m away? |
| 21:20.09 | ribnitz | er house, darxeth |
| 21:20.37 | pipeline | peterS: Heh, well, Pascal was born on the USCD P-system, not UNIX, so it's hardly surprising that C makes it easy to play with UNIX semantics. |
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| 21:20.39 | ribnitz | pipeline: Or do you want to do lost-lamb-recovery on darxeth ? |
| 21:20.56 | pipeline | ribnitz: I'm bombarding him with links to SICP materials as we speak. |
| 21:21.02 | Yoshimo | What do i do after i DL sarge? |
| 21:21.08 | Faust | Noone knows? :-( |
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| 21:21.28 | valdyn | Yoshimo: you burn it to a cdrom |
| 21:21.34 | ribnitz | Yoshimo: burn that cd image to a cd, and boot from that cd. |
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| 21:22.00 | valdyn | Yoshimo: and you _dont_ burn that iso as a file. |
| 21:22.12 | Yoshimo | lol, yes i know |
| 21:22.14 | darxeth | ribnitz: i said i have experienced programming before, after i get used to this linux thing i think am gonna learn c language immediatly. |
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| 21:22.17 | ribnitz | Yoshimo: and then its answer simple questions and follow simple instructions. |
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| 21:22.21 | Yoshimo | alright |
| 21:22.29 | Yoshimo | i was just nervouse, lol |
| 21:22.35 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | <Yoshimo> use deep burner its cake, deep burner > nero its free too |
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| 21:22.54 | ribnitz | darxeth: have fun with segfaults and stuff.. |
| 21:22.55 | real | hi, when i install sarge net-install y selected grub, but i want to use lilo now i did and apt-get remove --purge grub and apt-get install lilo then liloconfig then lilo then i boot my machine and i still got grub? how can i change to lilo? |
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| 21:23.04 | william_wallace | hello to all |
| 21:23.13 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hi |
| 21:23.16 | Yoshimo | thanks for all your help guys! im gonna come back if i come to a problem |
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| 21:23.24 | valdyn | real: vi /etc/lilo.conf |
| 21:23.27 | peterS | you don't look like william wallace |
| 21:23.32 | ribnitz | Yoshimo: promise me something? |
| 21:23.36 | dabreegster | real: make sure grub was wiped from the MBR and lilo put in its place |
| 21:23.37 | real | valdyn: i did that already |
| 21:23.43 | william_wallace | i am peters i was here last night as mp3j |
| 21:23.50 | real | dabreegster: where can i see that info? |
| 21:23.53 | valdyn | real: grep boot /etc/lilo.conf |
| 21:23.58 | peterS | calling all bob2s |
| 21:24.03 | william_wallace | exactly |
| 21:24.10 | dabreegster | real: dunno. It probably is there, though. |
| 21:24.29 | william_wallace | do how u guys behaving today? |
| 21:24.38 | valdyn | real: or maybe grep root= /etc/lilo.conf |
| 21:24.44 | valdyn | real: or maybe grep boot= /etc/lilo.conf |
| 21:24.46 | william_wallace | helping noobs for real or send them to google? |
| 21:24.59 | valdyn | real: forget the line containing root, just boot is what i want to see |
| 21:25.03 | ribnitz | william_wallace: we need free girls for free coders of free software. as well as free beers... |
| 21:25.05 | paulswm | Oh great, a troll |
| 21:25.07 | ribnitz | :) |
| 21:25.30 | william_wallace | paulswm, u talking to moi? |
| 21:25.37 | mrhemlock | william_wallace, 1st you gotta slap them around a bit |
| 21:25.37 | takatumi | where should this be set? "Your termcap does not specify how to change the terminal's width to 132." |
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| 21:25.41 | paulswm | !u |
| 21:25.41 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:25.43 | pipeline | william_wallace: It's #debian, which do u fink lololol11!!@!! |
| 21:25.51 | real | boot=/dev/hda2 root=/dev/hda2 |
| 21:26.06 | william_wallace | !lol |
| 21:26.06 | dpkg | LOL stands for Laughs Out Loud, or (more commonly) Lamer On Line. If you insist on using this atrocity, try "/me lol" (preferably after /join #teenchat). "heh" or "haha" is greatly preferred. See also <loll>. |
| 21:26.23 | valdyn | real: boot needs to be /dev/hda most likely ( unless you want to use a 2nd bootloader to start off lilo |
| 21:26.43 | real | valdyn: i got win on hda1 and linux on hda2 |
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| 21:26.59 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | !loll |
| 21:26.59 | dpkg | loll, v.i. ... 3. To let the tongue hang from the mouth, as an ox, dog, or other animal, when heated by labor; as, the ox stood lolling in the furrow. ... v 2: be lazy or idle; "The triple porter of the Stygian seat, With lolling tongue lay fawning at thy feet." --Dryden. |
| 21:27.03 | valdyn | real: and your grub on /dev/hda - thats why its being loaded |
| 21:27.07 | ribnitz | real: sda.. in case of a scsi or sata adapter (and kernel > 2.6.7) |
| 21:27.11 | citral_ | !nickometer SPEEDing|V\oNK |
| 21:27.11 | dpkg | 'SPEEDing|V\oNK' is 99.890% lame, citral_ |
| 21:27.12 | william_wallace | ok i got a real q wheres do i find a doc to set up a quick cam express? |
| 21:27.19 | darkcmd | is there a way I can use apt-get -f install, and tell apt to exclude a certain package? |
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| 21:27.33 | valdyn | real: if you want lilo to be started _first_ then it needs to be on /dev/hda, if you want to use grub to load lilo, then edit your grubs config |
| 21:28.03 | ribnitz | valdyn: why would you want grub to load lilo? |
| 21:28.14 | paulswm | That sounds nasty |
| 21:28.14 | valdyn | ribnitz: hell i wouldnt |
| 21:28.43 | william_wallace | ? |
| 21:28.47 | paulswm | I know, NTLDR to load grub to load lilo to load... |
| 21:28.49 | ribnitz | paulswm: use loadlin to boot grub to load lilo? ;) |
| 21:28.59 | paulswm | ribnitz: :) |
| 21:29.00 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | i use NTLDR to boot Debian if i chose to |
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| 21:29.05 | valdyn | !bootloaderloop |
| 21:29.11 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | i only use NTLDR > Grub |
| 21:29.17 | darkcmd | so there is no way to tell apt-get -f install to not install a certain package? |
| 21:29.22 | mrhemlock | How do i configure swapping to files at boot time ? |
| 21:29.35 | valdyn | real: if all this confused you, just set boot=/dev/hda |
| 21:29.37 | ribnitz | SPEEDing|V\oNK: I use grub, and boot nt (XP) actually when needed. |
| 21:29.49 | william_wallace | how do i restore my mbr after a linux installation im unable to load windows on a hd? |
| 21:30.04 | paulswm | ribnitz: I used Citrix and Remote Desktop to get to my box at work and then ran VNC back to this box at home, at which point I entered an alternate reality |
| 21:30.13 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | <william_wallace> get out you XP / 2000 CD |
| 21:30.20 | william_wallace | let me refrain the q i would like to install windows on a former linux hd |
| 21:30.21 | valdyn | william_wallace: no need to restore, uncomment the windows boot entry in your favourite boot loaders config |
| 21:30.21 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | boot it and hit recover |
| 21:30.28 | william_wallace | SPEEDing|V\oNK, doesnt work |
| 21:30.33 | real | mmm valdyn ok, but that wont give any problems with the linux boot? becouse is on hda2? |
| 21:30.42 | william_wallace | this hd is very picki it only lets me install linux |
| 21:30.43 | valdyn | william_wallace: and do nothing else in grub, and run lilo if you use lilo |
| 21:30.47 | ribnitz | paulswm: I found out that X sessions dont tunnel well over adsl links. |
| 21:31.16 | william_wallace | valdyn, you dont getb me i dont want linux here any more and i want to do a fresh windows installation |
| 21:31.19 | valdyn | real: your bios knows nothing about partitions, it only loads /dev/hda, thats why your bootloader needs to be there |
| 21:31.32 | real | ok :-) thanxs valdyn |
| 21:31.35 | pipeline | william_wallace: Then go to #windowsnt -- windows isn't our thing. |
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| 21:31.47 | real | another question to install xorg what deb i need on my sources.list ? |
| 21:31.52 | william_wallace | what about a mbr is that your thing? |
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| 21:31.59 | paulswm | ribnitz: I was using x11vnc on the target and tightvnc on the client, and it worked well over cable... I did note that my network usage was around 14 KBytes per sec, not too bad |
| 21:31.59 | william_wallace | or i have to go to #mbr? |
| 21:32.16 | valdyn | real: just dont do it, those shadows suck anwyay ;) |
| 21:32.18 | citral | william_wallace: if windows can't install, it's definitely not our problem. |
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| 21:32.34 | william_wallace | i think is your thing cause the hd doesnt work aftera debian installation |
| 21:32.36 | ribnitz | paulswm: ssh -X, and display redirection. |
| 21:32.41 | real | :-p ill reboot to try what boot loader comes out :-) |
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| 21:32.47 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | <william_wallace> SPEEDing|V\oNK, doesnt work -- what do you mean |
| 21:32.58 | william_wallace | we are starting to see the real #debian now |
| 21:33.11 | citral | oh yeah. |
| 21:33.12 | ribnitz | paulswm: over adsl 1300/600.. |
| 21:33.20 | citral | TROLL |
| 21:33.29 | valdyn | william_wallace: windows has problems fixing your bootloader? |
| 21:33.40 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | i dont think he knows |
| 21:33.51 | william_wallace | when i format and try to install windows computer dont boot into it it gives me an error then i try to install debian and everything is fine |
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| 21:34.16 | Gnurdux | is tehre a tool that apt-get all the deps for a debian package |
| 21:34.18 | valdyn | william_wallace: repartitioning everytying from windows should fix that |
| 21:34.21 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | you have to use the recovers counsole to boot C:\ (assuming thats where your windows partion is ) log in then run fixmbr |
| 21:34.32 | ribnitz | Gnurdux: aptßget should do that. |
| 21:34.38 | Gnurdux | no |
| 21:34.41 | streetbmx | william_wallace: are you trying to dual boot? |
| 21:34.41 | Gnurdux | for a LOCAL package |
| 21:34.49 | paulswm | Gnurdux: Yes, apt-get gets the dependencies, that's the whole point |
| 21:34.50 | william_wallace | streetbmx, no |
| 21:34.54 | Gnurdux | no i know |
| 21:34.55 | paulswm | Gnurdux: Ah |
| 21:34.57 | streetbmx | william_wallace: you just want windows? |
| 21:35.02 | Gnurdux | i have a .deb file |
| 21:35.11 | Gnurdux | and i want to apt-get all the deps |
| 21:35.13 | william_wallace | ok whatever ill use the damn drive for linux anyways i have another windows hd |
| 21:35.15 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: what is it called? |
| 21:35.18 | Gnurdux | xtux |
| 21:35.21 | travisat | william_wallace: emailt bill@microsoft.com and ask for help |
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| 21:35.32 | genix__ | how do I make a tar.gz file? |
| 21:35.33 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: tried apt-get install xtux ? |
| 21:35.34 | william_wallace | i did try the fixmbr thing from the repair console in windows cd it did not work |
| 21:35.36 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 21:35.36 | ribnitz | Gnurdux: dpkg -i debfile.deb ; apt-get -f install |
| 21:35.46 | paulswm | genix__: tar czf |
| 21:35.48 | tarzeau | genix__: tar czf the.tar.gz the_directory |
| 21:35.54 | Gnurdux | that deletes all the debs |
| 21:35.56 | william_wallace | ok case closed |
| 21:35.56 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | <william_wallace> how do you know what happened |
| 21:36.00 | valdyn | william_wallace: are you even booting off that harddisk? or is your bios booting off a different disk? |
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| 21:36.12 | Gnurdux | it doesnt isntall there deps it removes the, |
| 21:36.15 | genix__ | tarzeau: thanks |
| 21:36.16 | Gnurdux | help! |
| 21:36.19 | Yoshimo | Sarge didnt work |
| 21:36.19 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | bah i quit |
| 21:36.20 | william_wallace | is booting to hd |
| 21:36.31 | Yoshimo | it still doesnt recognze HD |
| 21:36.32 | valdyn | william_wallace: *which* one? |
| 21:36.33 | paulswm | Well don't thank *me* at all :( |
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| 21:37.04 | william_wallace | 'dont worry about that guys case closed ill use it for windows good morning good evening and good night aur revoir s cya guys later |
| 21:37.13 | paulswm | see ya Wille88 |
| 21:37.29 | streetbmx | hah |
| 21:37.37 | mrhemlock | paulswm, thank you |
| 21:37.37 | Phated | What, only English and French? |
| 21:37.48 | paulswm | mrhemlock: Funny :P |
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| 21:38.22 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | amatures... |
| 21:38.38 | paulswm | Phated: Whatcha want, German, Hindi, Inuit? |
| 21:38.46 | Phated | paulswm: Chinese. |
| 21:38.50 | ribnitz | Phated: greets to the equator (or almosr) ;) |
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| 21:38.57 | Phated | ribnitz: Hey whassup. |
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| 21:39.08 | Seb | anyone heard from projects other than kopete (KDE isntant messenging client) that have been shut down because of patent infrigement, since the EU passed its directive on software patents ? |
| 21:39.22 | ribnitz | Phated: I caan speak Spanish and German (Tschörman) as well.. |
| 21:39.26 | peterS | Phated: you know very well 'chinese' is not specific enough |
| 21:39.33 | darkcmd | kopete has been shut down? |
| 21:39.36 | Phated | peterS: Mandarin or Hokkien, then. |
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| 21:39.38 | paulswm | Phated: Mandarin or Cantonese? |
| 21:39.39 | ribnitz | Phated: working myslef to death. still no gf. |
| 21:39.41 | Phated | ribnitz: Cool. |
| 21:39.48 | Phated | ribnitz: Well... Kind of cool. |
| 21:39.58 | Phated | paulswm: Oh, thank you, Cantonese too! |
| 21:40.01 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, didn't work how ? the cd didn't boot, it booted, and you still didn't see the hard drive ? choose one please we need an answerable question |
| 21:40.15 | Phated | Why bother with mail-order? Just deflate her and mail. |
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| 21:40.21 | Yoshimo | still didn't see the hard drive |
| 21:40.23 | thomas_adam | darkcmd: One would hope. |
| 21:40.29 | paulswm | Phated: WOW that was cold :P |
| 21:40.31 | darkcmd | why? |
| 21:40.38 | Phated | paulswm: <shrug> |
| 21:40.47 | peterS | better than a male order gf, I guess |
| 21:40.52 | thomas_adam | darkcmd: "Thick as a brick". |
| 21:40.52 | paulswm | HAHA |
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| 21:41.04 | thomas_adam | peterS: Blood loss. |
| 21:41.06 | ribnitz | Phated: you referring to some desperate russians? |
| 21:41.15 | darkcmd | hmm, I kinda liked Kopete |
| 21:41.17 | Phated | I'm sure there are plenty of those around. |
| 21:41.28 | thomas_adam | darkcmd: centericq. |
| 21:41.36 | darkcmd | nah |
| 21:41.40 | peterS | thomas: blood loss? |
| 21:41.42 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, Hardrive is ide ? |
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| 21:41.56 | thomas_adam | peterS: Ah, you had to be quick; blink and you'd have missed the "joke". |
| 21:42.16 | peterS | apparently I blinked |
| 21:42.17 | thomas_adam | Maybe it's just my over-dry sense of humour? |
| 21:42.17 | Yoshimo | as opposed to? |
| 21:42.29 | thomas_adam | Must be it. |
| 21:42.30 | mrhemlock | scsi |
| 21:42.39 | ribnitz | Phated: look at it another way: you dont speak their language, they dont speak yours. You have (in their eyes) loads of money, they dont. What do you expect will happen? ;) |
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| 21:42.54 | Phated | ribnitz: Who are "they", pray tell? |
| 21:43.01 | Yoshimo | whats the diff? |
| 21:43.05 | peterS | I speak their language |
| 21:43.11 | peterS | for some values of 'they' |
| 21:43.25 | ribnitz | Phated: "Mail order spouses".. |
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| 21:43.41 | Phated | Ah. |
| 21:44.02 | Phated | ribnitz: Bloodshed ensues. |
| 21:44.20 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, 1 more try. When istall disk says boot, try linux26 instead of just carriage return. |
| 21:44.30 | ribnitz | Phated: Even supposing the sex is great, how long will such a "relationship" last? - exactly. |
| 21:44.34 | paulswm | I had a work colleague who had a badly fitting toupee and three mail order spouses (all of whom left him (rather sensibly, IMO) |
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| 21:45.01 | Yoshimo | how do i do linux26? |
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| 21:45.18 | nctr | wearing a condom |
| 21:45.27 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 21:45.41 | thomas_adam | Yoshimo: If you have to ask... hmm, /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:45.46 | mrhemlock | when you boot the new cd, you get a prompt that asks which kernel to boot, type linux26 to the prompt |
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| 21:46.08 | paulswm | while wearing the condom |
| 21:46.19 | ribnitz | Yoshimo: when you boot (at the prompt) enter "linux26" or "expert26" (and look at all those screens, F2,F3.. |
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| 21:46.42 | _Haley | hi |
| 21:46.49 | Yoshimo | it doesnt give me the option when i boot from CD |
| 21:47.08 | mrhemlock | thomas_adam, he has raid0 partition on wd disk, says install is not seeing disk |
| 21:47.11 | ribnitz | paulswm: I am baldening, and dont se too much of a prob in it. |
| 21:47.18 | _Haley | Can someone tell me how to install the Firefox Java Runtime Plug-in (Debian-SID)? |
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| 21:47.48 | netbrain | is there anyway to simulate a kernel source in /usr/src when i have a debian kernel package? |
| 21:47.53 | quiet | what's the console based audio mixer??? i tried aumix, but it comes up with a GUI.. :/ |
| 21:47.57 | netbrain | i have downloaded kernel headers and kernel build |
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| 21:48.03 | francoise | chmod a+x /bin/laden |
| 21:48.07 | valdyn | netbrain: simulate? why the hell? |
| 21:48.13 | toffe | hi! i want to set a couple of environment variables that are regognized in gnome, it's terminals, etc. where (in what file) do i put the export line? |
| 21:48.17 | netbrain | need to make a drm module |
| 21:48.21 | mrhemlock | thomas_adam, I am trying to help, but i am out of ideas |
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| 21:48.25 | paulswm | ribnitz: well just don;t get a toupee that is a different color and looks like a ratskin yarmulke |
| 21:48.35 | netbrain | and to do that i need source |
| 21:48.50 | thomas_adam | toffe: ~/.bashrc should do it. |
| 21:49.04 | SuperSox | !dri |
| 21:49.04 | dpkg | somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri, or /join #dri |
| 21:49.08 | toffe | thomas_adam, thanks! export VAR=VALUE is ok? |
| 21:49.14 | thomas_adam | toffe: Indeed. |
| 21:49.16 | valdyn | netbrain: apt-get kerne-source-$(uname -r) ? |
| 21:49.18 | ribnitz | paulswm: topees should loojk like wearing a condom over yer head, right? |
| 21:49.21 | valdyn | netbrain: apt-get kernel-source-$(uname -r) ? |
| 21:49.29 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, I have not used the newer netinst, Did you see it give a kernel version number ? |
| 21:49.38 | valdyn | netbrain: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r) ? |
| 21:49.50 | netbrain | E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8-powerpc |
| 21:50.04 | Yoshimo | everything went very quick |
| 21:50.10 | toffe | thanks |
| 21:50.15 | ribnitz | Phated: Btw, i am sorry if I spoilt you. |
| 21:50.21 | Phated | ribnitz: ? |
| 21:50.38 | Phated | I assure you, you can't spoil someone without plenty of material goods. :) |
| 21:50.44 | takatumi | apt-get install polygen cowsay filters polygen-data && polygen pythoniser | b1ff | cowsay |
| 21:50.50 | netbrain | valdyn: would kernel-source-2.6.8 work? |
| 21:51.00 | peterS | Phated: you can if you don't embalm them promptly |
| 21:51.02 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, did you get a screen for paritioning disk ? |
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| 21:51.06 | ribnitz | Phated: relationships are there to last. those mail-order are probably an excption. |
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| 21:51.11 | Phated | peterS: Ah, true. |
| 21:51.13 | valdyn | netbrain: that was my bad, sources arent cpu specific, yes it would work, however you need to configure that source tree |
| 21:51.17 | Phated | ribnitz: Aye... |
| 21:51.21 | Yoshimo | when it got there, it said there was no disc |
| 21:51.23 | brosio | anyone known an amule/xmule clone based on ncurses or that work on a shell without x ? |
| 21:51.30 | netbrain | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 21:51.38 | peterS | brosio: try apt-cache search, there's probably something available |
| 21:51.42 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, does disk show up in bios ? |
| 21:51.51 | brosio | peterS, alredy do it |
| 21:51.54 | valdyn | netbrain: cd <sourcetree> && make oldconfig |
| 21:52.13 | Yoshimo | ya, im running windows right now and its fine |
| 21:52.19 | Yoshimo | im trying to dual boot |
| 21:52.33 | Yoshimo | if that makes a diff.. |
| 21:52.43 | netbrain | valdyn: sourcetree would be /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 ? |
| 21:52.55 | valdyn | netbrain: after you untar it |
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| 21:53.07 | ribnitz | Phated: Europe to the East is even comparable, I dont want to imagine what happens if some US/European takes a southeastasian (burmese, cambodian...).. |
| 21:53.10 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, New partition was created with windows fdisk ? |
| 21:53.11 | valdyn | netbrain: there may be ppc specifics that i dont know however |
| 21:53.15 | netbrain | didnt think debian packagaes needed untaring |
| 21:53.27 | Yoshimo | fdisk? |
| 21:53.37 | netbrain | valdyn: ok thanks :D |
| 21:53.39 | Yoshimo | i used some program to make partition |
| 21:53.43 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, New partition was created with windows ? |
| 21:53.47 | Yoshimo | ya |
| 21:53.47 | valdyn | netbrain: you dont untar the debian package, but kernel-source packages only contain the tarred source |
| 21:53.57 | Yoshimo | but i formated it in linux |
| 21:54.02 | Yoshimo | i mean, to linux |
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| 21:54.14 | netbrain | valdyn: lol! then why the hell did i abort my download from kernel.org :D |
| 21:54.15 | netbrain | haha |
| 21:54.40 | valdyn | netbrain: oh, thats a good thing, debian kernel-sources arent vanilla kernel.org |
| 21:54.42 | cafuego | netbrain: patched tarred source |
| 21:54.49 | proc | ... |
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| 21:55.05 | netbrain | ok |
| 21:55.32 | mrhemlock | all: I am out of ideas. Yoshimo is trying to netinst sarge to raid0 partition, install cd is not finding hardisk/partition someone else help him please |
| 21:55.32 | Phated | ribnitz: I see... |
| 21:55.38 | revealed | which patches are included in the debian kernel-sources? |
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| 21:55.44 | valdyn | !info kernel-headers-2.6.8-powerpc |
| 21:55.50 | Yoshimo | yes, please help |
| 21:55.59 | proc | how can I disable software-mesa? it conflicts with my hardware-acceleration (http://nopaste.php-q.net/124966) |
| 21:56.20 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | sounds like a problem w/ raid |
| 21:56.23 | mrhemlock | Yoshimo, sorry i dont know what else to try |
| 21:56.38 | valdyn | proc: it doesnt conflict |
| 21:57.09 | proc | valdyn: why does my machine then not use direct rendering? |
| 21:57.17 | valdyn | proc: its used when h/w accelerated not active ( for whatever reason ) |
| 21:57.27 | proc | hmm |
| 21:57.30 | proc | it should be active |
| 21:57.37 | proc | agp works |
| 21:57.43 | proc | and it's the correct driver |
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| 21:58.23 | valdyn | proc: start an X server as root and see if it works then |
| 21:58.29 | proc | alright |
| 21:58.42 | proc | valdyn: oh, I heard that dri does not work with xinerama, is that true? |
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| 21:59.13 | TolkienLuver | should i install sarge or woody? any suggestions? |
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| 21:59.29 | TolkienLuver | sarge is 3.1 right? |
| 21:59.30 | valdyn | proc: not sure, i think thats false, iirc it just doesnt interact well with it ( but i could be wrong ) |
| 21:59.41 | streetbmx | TolkienLuver: for a desktop? |
| 22:00.01 | TolkienLuver | yup |
| 22:00.15 | streetbmx | TolkienLuver: I would most likely reccomend sarge |
| 22:00.17 | TolkienLuver | not intending to run servers.. |
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| 22:00.31 | proc | valdyn: look at this: http://nopaste.php-q.net/125116 |
| 22:00.40 | TolkienLuver | does sarge have a problem running servers? |
| 22:00.52 | valdyn | proc: thats as root? |
| 22:01.01 | cafuego | TolkienLuver: No. |
| 22:01.03 | streetbmx | TolkienLuverL i dont think so. i put sarge on my home server. its running good |
| 22:01.04 | proc | valdyn: nope |
| 22:01.06 | proc | as user |
| 22:01.06 | ryan_ | it's not reccomended to run sarge on a production server. |
| 22:01.16 | cafuego | TolkienLuver: it does have aproblem in that it doesn't gets ecurity fixes. |
| 22:01.20 | ryan_ | due to lack of security updates. |
| 22:01.21 | valdyn | proc: w/o xinerama? |
| 22:01.31 | proc | with |
| 22:01.38 | TolkienLuver | omg you mean apt-get does not do the necessary security updates? |
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| 22:01.41 | proc | I don't know how to disable xinerama |
| 22:01.44 | YouCeyE | hi |
| 22:01.49 | TolkienLuver | for sarge? |
| 22:01.51 | proc | valdyn: (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA |
| 22:01.54 | valdyn | proc: well, dont let me guess, what is this from? |
| 22:02.05 | YouCeyE | how can i list open ports used by servers in debian |
| 22:02.07 | cafuego | TolkienLuver: There ARE no sarge fixes on security.debian.org as of yet. |
| 22:02.09 | proc | valdyn: the log of course |
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| 22:02.54 | TolkienLuver | cafuego: i'm really dumbfounded now -_- |
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| 22:03.23 | gilles | What is the soft that allow to use the volume buttons ? |
| 22:03.36 | TolkienLuver | that means if sarge ever have a exploit, i have to format teh whole system eh? |
| 22:03.40 | cafuego | TolkienLuver: it's really quite simple, as long as sarge is 'testing' and not 'stable', it doesn't get immediate security fixes. |
| 22:03.57 | proc | valdyn: [drm] Initialized radeon 1.14.0 20050125 on minor 0: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] |
| 22:04.00 | proc | from dmesg |
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| 22:04.22 | proc | everything looks ok, but it just does not use dr |
| 22:04.32 | TolkienLuver | cafuego: does this apply to the system security or the packages (apache, mysql, dovecot, etc) securities |
| 22:04.44 | cafuego | TolkienLuver: *ALL* packages |
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| 22:05.07 | TolkienLuver | hmm.. |
| 22:05.15 | proc | brb |
| 22:05.30 | TolkienLuver | im running a sarge on production now... should i take it off? |
| 22:05.36 | jepeltw | Hello all. My system's been acting funny (I think I might have a hard disk or RAM problem) and I just got the message "debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed |
| 22:05.53 | TolkienLuver | cafuego, and probably run a woody? |
| 22:05.56 | jepeltw | I know apt-utils is installed because I've used apt-get |
| 22:06.17 | cafuego | TolkienLuver: Nah, just keep an eye on the security-announce mailing list. |
| 22:06.22 | valdyn | proc: is xlibmesa-dri installed? |
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| 22:07.27 | TolkienLuver | cafuego: Debian distributions are not vulnerable to all security problems: |
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| 22:07.48 | proc | sigh |
| 22:07.57 | TolkienLuver | cafuego: if there are, will the updated package be available on apt? |
| 22:08.07 | TolkienLuver | proc: sup |
| 22:08.16 | proc | this stuff drives me crazy |
| 22:08.24 | proc | valdyn: got any idea in the meanwhile? |
| 22:08.27 | valdyn | proc: is xlibmesa-dri installed? |
| 22:08.27 | TolkienLuver | proc: britney in the house |
| 22:08.51 | proc | valdyn: nope |
| 22:08.55 | proc | do I need it? |
| 22:09.04 | flaxo | hi, anyone using bitchx on debian? whats the deal with 'debian-defaul.bx' and where can i find it? |
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| 22:09.21 | valdyn | proc: yea, and run "apt-get install x-window-system-core" to get whatever else you might have missed |
| 22:09.28 | simonrvn | flaxo: dpkg -P bitchx; apt-get install irssi-text |
| 22:09.37 | proc | alright |
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| 22:09.56 | flaxo | yeah yeah... no seriously |
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| 22:10.29 | mrhemlock | flaxo, dpkg -L bitchx |
| 22:10.39 | valdyn | flaxo: bitchx: usr/lib/bitchx/script/debian-defaults.bx |
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| 22:12.02 | Zta | Um.. I have two lousy computer microphones. One works fine and has always worked with various computers. But this new I've bought only delivers a very, very weak and unreadable signal. |
| 22:12.13 | Zta | Any suggestions to how I can tweak it? |
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| 22:12.16 | francoise | does God exist ? |
| 22:12.27 | cafuego | francoise: I do. |
| 22:12.29 | cureless | /whois God |
| 22:12.30 | takatumi | !pal francoise |
| 22:12.32 | Zta | And yes, I did fiddle with the various stuff in aumix |
| 22:12.33 | bassam | hi |
| 22:12.43 | francoise | I love youuuuuuuu |
| 22:12.43 | God | I exist |
| 22:12.46 | bassam | i download iptables and i want to patch it with imq and i get -bash: patch: command not found any one tell me why i get this error ? |
| 22:12.50 | Zta | perhaps some /proc registers can be tweaked? |
| 22:12.59 | cafuego | God: Stop taking my name in vain. |
| 22:13.04 | francoise | God : what is your phone number ? |
| 22:13.09 | God | 555-5555 |
| 22:13.22 | cureless | for a moment I thouht it was going to ge 666 |
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| 22:13.26 | cureless | s/ge/be/ |
| 22:13.30 | francoise | cureless :) |
| 22:13.42 | God | oh well back to heaven |
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| 22:14.31 | proc | valdyn: dang dang dang - works now, thanks :) |
| 22:14.46 | francoise | First there was light. Then the Big Compilator made the world. |
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| 22:15.22 | peterS | francoise: it was solar-powered? |
| 22:15.33 | nctr | and then there was light! |
| 22:15.53 | francoise | it was Yet-Another-CC |
| 22:16.05 | takatumi | asg: http://gpoppy.org/2005-04-01-011442_1024x768_scrot.png |
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| 22:17.17 | debubun | how can i write on ntfs with debian+ |
| 22:17.20 | debubun | ? |
| 22:17.27 | cureless | dd |
| 22:17.32 | cafuego | The world was not written in flex. |
| 22:17.41 | chealer | !tell debubun about ntfs rw |
| 22:17.42 | cafuego | debubun: not |
| 22:17.45 | travisat | it was written in perl |
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| 22:17.59 | francoise | cafuego : no, God wrote it in Lisp |
| 22:18.12 | cureless | no, the universe was written in mathematica, 4 lines to be exact. Read the Wolfram book |
| 22:18.18 | cafuego | francoise: Is that why it continues to suck? |
| 22:18.31 | flaxo | ok... i give up... any suggestions for a decent text-based irc-client you do not need to teach to behave?? |
| 22:18.34 | francoise | cureless : hey, you MUST not say INTELLIGENT and/or CORRECT things! |
| 22:18.45 | travisat | flaxo: irssi? |
| 22:18.58 | cureless | francoise: I'm just quoting (paraphrasing) him. He does say that. |
| 22:19.05 | francoise | God? |
| 22:19.13 | travisat | yes |
| 22:19.16 | travisat | errr |
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| 22:19.17 | cureless | francoise: Wolfram |
| 22:19.21 | francoise | ok ;) |
| 22:19.35 | chealer | travisat: if God exists, how come Microsoft exists? |
| 22:19.51 | YouCeyE | i want to find out what port my ftp server is using .. |
| 22:19.57 | YouCeyE | how can i find that |
| 22:19.59 | skrald | When I watch a movie in gxine it always starts extremly minimized. I can turn off auto-resize but when I restart gxine, it is turned on again. And even auto-resize=off minimizes movies now and then. What to do? |
| 22:20.00 | Provito | YouCeyE, 21 usually |
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| 22:20.07 | Provito | YouCeyE, netstat -anp | grep LISTEN |
| 22:20.10 | travisat | chealer: light makes shadows |
| 22:20.15 | francoise | man woman |
| 22:20.16 | francoise | Segmentation Fault (core dumped) |
| 22:20.17 | YouCeyE | thanks Prophet_ |
| 22:20.23 | YouCeyE | thanks Prophet_ |
| 22:20.27 | YouCeyE | thanks Provito |
| 22:20.33 | Provito | 3rd time lucky! |
| 22:20.36 | YouCeyE | lol |
| 22:20.44 | flaxo | travisat: one config file?? O_o |
| 22:21.15 | travisat | flaxo: yep |
| 22:21.28 | mrhemlock | How can I swap to a file on startup ? |
| 22:21.42 | chealer | travisat: this really looks like the evangelism I used to do when I was playing a MMORPG. the black moon empire :) |
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| 22:21.55 | bob2_ | mrhemlock: you mean "how do I configure my system to use a swap file?"? |
| 22:22.00 | dexter_ | could someone tell me a portscan software? |
| 22:22.08 | proc | nmap |
| 22:22.27 | francoise | www.insecure.org |
| 22:22.27 | mrhemlock | bob2_, yes |
| 22:22.37 | francoise | or nessus |
| 22:22.41 | sparr_w | Is there a moderately modern browser (GUI, HTML 4.something support) that will allow me to specify text to be automatically filled into particular form text boxes on particular sites? |
| 22:22.43 | francoise | which includes nmap |
| 22:22.47 | bob2_ | nessus isn't a port scanner |
| 22:22.50 | TolkienLuver | theres 10 cds for debian? |
| 22:22.57 | TolkienLuver | 14* |
| 22:22.58 | bob2_ | sparr_w: mozilla, of course |
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| 22:23.02 | bob2_ | TolkienLuver: for sarge, probably |
| 22:23.04 | flaxo | travisat: sounds good... |
| 22:23.05 | chealer | TolkienLuver: for the FULL sarge |
| 22:23.08 | bob2_ | TolkienLuver: you obviously don't need them all |
| 22:23.10 | sparr_w | bob2: how is it done in mozilla? an extension? |
| 22:23.10 | francoise | bob2 : really ? |
| 22:23.16 | TolkienLuver | hmm.. which cds do i need? |
| 22:23.16 | YouCeyE | is 0.0.0.0 same as localhost? |
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| 22:23.30 | YouCeyE | i know that 127.0.0.1 is localhost too |
| 22:23.32 | cureless | YouCeyE: no. localhost is 127.0.0.1 0.0.0.0 is normally a wildcard |
| 22:23.37 | travisat | flaxo: irssi is the best irc client imo |
| 22:23.46 | bob2_ | TolkienLuver: do you have a fast internet connection? |
| 22:23.52 | TolkienLuver | bob2: yes quite. |
| 22:23.54 | bob2_ | sparr_w: there's the form filler in thing |
| 22:23.55 | YouCeyE | cureless, my ftp server is bound to that ip.. and i am not able to connect to it |
| 22:23.58 | chealer | TolkienLuver: the first, if you need one (because you could use the netinst) |
| 22:24.03 | lu | for those that know i'm sorry, but for us newbs, please check out www.togaware.com |
| 22:24.13 | lu | it is awesome, for debian advice |
| 22:24.14 | bob2_ | TolkienLuver: then you don't need any, you can install from a 40MB install iso and get everything else off the net |
| 22:24.20 | TolkienLuver | chealer: i'm going to deploy it to a offline environment |
| 22:24.23 | bob2_ | lu: we don't care about your website |
| 22:24.24 | cureless | YouCeyE: how are you connecting, how are you running, what error are you getting? |
| 22:24.30 | lu | it's not mine man |
| 22:24.39 | pipeline | TolkienLuver: You'll get better speed using the torrents. |
| 22:24.40 | chealer | TolkienLuver: how many installs? |
| 22:24.43 | lu | dude, i'd be lu-the -guru not the newb |
| 22:24.47 | sparr_w | bob2: yeah. but how do i add things to it? |
| 22:24.56 | TolkienLuver | chealer: two sets |
| 22:25.04 | TolkienLuver | pipeline: torrent downloads the 14 cds? |
| 22:25.26 | flaxo | travisat: which ones have you tried personally? |
| 22:25.27 | YouCeyE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:25.28 | chealer | TolkienLuver: sorry, I don't know what you mean by sets. |
| 22:25.28 | travisat | lu: please stop spamming that stuff here |
| 22:25.43 | subopt | How can my Makefile tell if an env var is set? I'm trying to use "ifdef", but it's not seeing my env vars, just my makefile vars. |
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| 22:25.45 | TolkienLuver | chealer: you asked how many installs?, two computer systems |
| 22:25.51 | travisat | flaxo: bitchx,xchat,ircII,etc |
| 22:26.01 | YouCeyE | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:7021 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 7932/vsftpd <<--- this is the out put for netstat -atn |
| 22:26.19 | chealer | TolkienLuver: I think I'd download one CD if I was you |
| 22:26.34 | flaxo | travisat: K, lets see... |
| 22:27.02 | puter | hey, i'm trying to upgrade to a newer kernel version from 2.2 Should I upgrade to 2.6.8 or 2.4.27? And should I compile it from source or just do apt-get install kernel-image-2.*? |
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| 22:27.13 | sparr_w | bob2: it seems to pick what to save at random |
| 22:27.18 | TolkienLuver | chealer: alrite thanks. for netinst, can i pick local links? |
| 22:27.22 | digital__ | gn :) |
| 22:27.23 | travisat | puter: from 2.2, probably 2.4 is your best bet |
| 22:27.45 | TolkienLuver | chealer: cuz im not sure whether my connection to foreign websites is fast enough |
| 22:28.00 | pipeline | TolkienLuver: Yes, it has dozens of mirrors in the default list. |
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| 22:28.06 | puter | travisat: okay. does that have built in usb and apaci support? |
| 22:28.29 | puter | or acpi* |
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| 22:28.41 | bob2_ | puter: yeah |
| 22:28.42 | pipeline | TolkienLuver: If you live anywhere in n. america, s. america, europe, asia, or africa, there's a mirror for you. Antarctic users are fucked. |
| 22:28.52 | bob2_ | puter: acpi is a lot better in 2.6, tho, aiui |
| 22:29.14 | TolkienLuver | haha. okae. alrite. |
| 22:29.19 | francoise | pipeline : damned ! |
| 22:29.19 | puter | bob2_: ahh. would it be dangerous of me to upgrade to 2.6 from 2.2? |
| 22:29.28 | TolkienLuver | thanks im going for the 40MB cd |
| 22:30.07 | bob2_ | puter: no more than to 2.4 |
| 22:30.25 | bob2_ | sparr_w: dunno, sorry...#mozilla on irc.mozilla.org would know the details |
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| 22:31.08 | puter | bob2_: sweet. so, should i get the source and configure/compile it or can i just do 'abt-get install kernel-image ...'? |
| 22:31.12 | sparr_w | bob2: #mozilla would ban you for asking, its the developer channel :) #mozillazine maybe |
| 22:31.31 | bob2_ | oh |
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| 22:31.35 | bob2_ | puter: the latter |
| 22:31.46 | bob2_ | puter: woody doesn't have 2.6 ones, tho, so you'd have to go to backports.org |
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| 22:32.03 | puter | bob2_: how about sarge? |
| 22:32.31 | bob2_ | puter: sarge does |
| 22:33.16 | puter | bob2_: good good. and, after I do apt-get install kernel-image.. will it automatically update my lilo.conf file so that it boots properly? |
| 22:33.33 | bob2_ | no |
| 22:33.36 | bob2_ | well |
| 22:33.37 | bob2_ | yes |
| 22:33.46 | bob2_ | but the first time you have to add one line |
| 22:33.53 | bob2_ | subsequent kernel installs don't need you to |
| 22:34.11 | puter | cool. so should i add the line before or after installation, or does it matter? |
| 22:34.35 | bob2_ | doesn't matter |
| 22:34.41 | bob2_ | as long as it's before you reboot |
| 22:34.41 | citral | after, so if there is a fault it will tell you |
| 22:34.56 | citral | e.g. no such /initrd.img |
| 22:35.30 | cafuego | bob2_: aiui? |
| 22:35.31 | puter | awesome. now i'll go find the magical line and be on my way |
| 22:35.34 | puter | thanks again bob2_ |
| 22:35.56 | cafuego | bob2_: That one of those freaky brazilian 'haha's? |
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| 22:37.50 | abrotman | Phated: it wasn't my fault! |
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| 22:39.11 | sorahn | is there an itunes esque program for debian. i know that crossover office is making thier thing, but im looking for maybe a lookalike, instead of the actual thing |
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| 22:39.45 | Chris``` | hmm whats 2014312915 bytes in gb |
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| 22:40.58 | staniel | Chris```: divide by 1024/1024/1024 |
| 22:41.13 | YouCeyE | why is firefox taking up so much memory? does compiling it from the scratch help? i am using deb packages from apt |
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| 22:41.44 | cafuego | 2014312915 / (1024**3) |
| 22:41.46 | abrotman | YouCeyE: it just does .. blame gecko |
| 22:41.50 | cafuego | !2014312915 / (1024**3) |
| 22:41.50 | dpkg | 1.875975090079 |
| 22:41.55 | abrotman | oh come now |
| 22:41.58 | cafuego | re35177: Please go spam elsewhere. |
| 22:42.04 | Chris``` | wanker |
| 22:42.05 | abrotman | !lv |
| 22:42.05 | dpkg | methinks lv is Latvia |
| 22:42.09 | Chris``` | oops |
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| 22:42.20 | Ronin | i love how you guys ask first, ban first ask later i say |
| 22:42.24 | Chris``` | wow i have broadcast nearly 2gb on shoutcast :p |
| 22:42.29 | abrotman | i would guess that to be totally a bot |
| 22:42.33 | cafuego | YouCeyE: No, compiling uses a lot more ram than firefox does. |
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| 22:42.48 | cafuego | Ronin: I can only ask. |
| 22:42.52 | abrotman | cafuego: did you misunderstand the question? |
| 22:43.01 | bob2_ | 08:42:43 [OPN] ---| #debian You need to be a channel operator to do that [calvino.freenode.net] |
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| 22:43.16 | abrotman | bob2_: you're not op any more? |
| 22:43.21 | cafuego | abrotman: No, I didn't. |
| 22:43.30 | ribnitz | Phated: still awake? |
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| 22:43.44 | ErrantEgo | bob2: OPN? LOL |
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| 22:44.16 | nctr | so many so many |
| 22:44.25 | nctr | so so many many |
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| 22:47.07 | ErrantEgo | haha |
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| 22:47.23 | ErrantEgo | you'll have to deop yourself with that nick or issue a command to chanserv :P |
| 22:47.26 | ErrantEgo | i hate that |
| 22:47.27 | bob2 | ChanServ: you suck |
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| 22:49.29 | TolkienLuver | Where can i find netinst for "sarge" ? |
| 22:49.38 | pipeline | !d-i |
| 22:49.38 | dpkg | d-i is, like, the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 22:49.47 | TolkienLuver | Thank you. |
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| 22:51.36 | jhares | i install screen but when i started it... [screen is terminating]?? i don't understand |
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| 22:52.48 | valdyn | jhares: what did you start with screen? |
| 22:52.55 | mikeo | i just installed knoppix linux, and it said it installed successfully, so i rebooted my computer and there is no knoppix... i tried to boot off the floppy the install made but doesnt work... what could be going wrong with it? |
| 22:53.28 | Ronin | mikeo: you could try #knoppix to be sure whats wrong |
| 22:53.30 | ApEtc | !knoppix |
| 22:53.30 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 22:53.31 | puter | bob2: hey. i am being asked if i want to install a boot block using the existing lilo.conf file... this seems like standard proceedure... ? |
| 22:53.31 | FieldySnuts | mikeo: please ask #knoppix , this is #debian |
| 22:53.39 | bob2` | puter: yes |
| 22:53.58 | mikeo | tried, but that channel is sort of dead right now |
| 22:54.05 | cafuego | mikeo: Try #redhat then |
| 22:54.06 | jhares | valdyn: screen mc (for example) |
| 22:54.08 | mikeo | might just try to install debian instead |
| 22:54.11 | Ronin | heh cafuego |
| 22:54.12 | pipeline | mikeo: Install debian sarge. |
| 22:54.18 | mikeo | what version? |
| 22:54.24 | mikeo | for an amd xp processor |
| 22:54.27 | pipeline | mikeo: sarge is the version |
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| 22:54.35 | mikeo | are there any optimized versions like in gentoo |
| 22:55.01 | bob2` | haha |
| 22:55.02 | pipeline | mikeo: Only kernels come in "optimized" versions. GCC is not an optimizing compiler. As such, optimization is pointless. |
| 22:55.03 | bob2` | no |
| 22:55.07 | cafuego | whee, autoignore strikes! |
| 22:55.13 | mikeo | i c |
| 22:55.24 | mikeo | is there some kind of install script? |
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| 22:55.30 | bob2` | gcc does optimisation |
| 22:55.36 | pipeline | mikeo: In the average case, code optimized past "-O2 -pipe" will actually be slower. |
| 22:55.39 | mikeo | or do i have to do it manually |
| 22:55.45 | bob2` | mikeo: this isn't gentoo, it's got an installer |
| 22:55.50 | mikeo | good lol |
| 22:55.55 | pipeline | bob2`: unlike say, xlc or Forte, optimization wasn't an original goal of gcc. |
| 22:56.03 | cafuego | bob2`: it is optimised, the i386 version runs FAR quicker on an athlon than the ppc debian does. |
| 22:56.05 | mikeo | cause have had debian on my xbox for like 3 years now |
| 22:56.06 | bob2` | sure, portability was |
| 22:56.06 | pipeline | mikeo: It has a very nice installer, actually. Has all sorts of recovery tools built in. |
| 22:56.20 | mikeo | and always wanted it on my computer but last time i tried (a year ago or so) couldnt get it to work |
| 22:56.31 | cafuego | bob2`: And in unrelated news: "Alston to take top Telstra job" |
| 22:56.31 | Ronin | mikeo: try sarge then |
| 22:56.38 | puter | bob2`: apt-get is done and i've added the line to lilo.conf. is my kernel upgraded? |
| 22:56.56 | mikeo | downlaod link? |
| 22:57.00 | valdyn | jhares: does mc work without screen? |
| 22:57.01 | Ronin | !d-i |
| 22:57.01 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 22:57.16 | mikeo | what boot loader does it use? |
| 22:57.18 | mikeo | lilo or grub |
| 22:57.23 | pipeline | mikeo: Either, but grub by default. |
| 22:57.25 | Ronin | mikeo: grub |
| 22:57.27 | mikeo | cause in gentoo both failed on my machine |
| 22:57.31 | Ronin | oops hit enter too soon |
| 22:57.38 | mikeo | and got a timestamp mismatch error lol |
| 22:57.42 | jhares | valdyn: yes.. |
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| 22:57.44 | nvz | I just got my hands on a Palm III are they good for anything? :P |
| 22:57.48 | mikeo | had to kill it with a windows disk to get my computer back |
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| 22:57.50 | pipeline | mikeo: Gentoo sucks. Get over it. That dark period is in your past. |
| 22:57.56 | mikeo | lol |
| 22:57.59 | mikeo | it does |
| 22:58.01 | cafuego | nvz: They can keep paper from blowing away |
| 22:58.06 | pipeline | mikeo: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:58.16 | nvz | cafuego: heh, thats what I was thinking when I was looking at it |
| 22:58.24 | cureless | nvz: is it new? give it as a present to somebody |
| 22:58.30 | mikeo | ok |
| 22:58.34 | pipeline | nvz: Eh, you can read ebooks on it. |
| 22:58.39 | pipeline | nvz: And the organizer software is great. |
| 22:58.45 | mikeo | wow pretty small download cd |
| 22:58.47 | nvz | cureless: way I see it, it could use a stylus, cradle, and perhaps a carrying case. |
| 22:58.48 | pipeline | nvz: Is it an original III, or a IIIe / IIIx ? |
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| 22:59.00 | nvz | pipeline: I guess its just the III |
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| 22:59.06 | mikeo | and downloading at 366kb/s |
| 22:59.12 | bob2` | cafuego: omfg |
| 22:59.18 | bob2` | cafuego: you have to be kidding |
| 22:59.19 | pipeline | nvz: Damn, that means it only has like 2M of main storage. |
| 22:59.24 | nvz | I am using a small philips head screwdriver for a stylus |
| 22:59.32 | cafuego | bob2`: Sadly, no. |
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| 22:59.36 | Blissex | nvz: as a simple organizer it is not too bad, and Pilots are well supported by GNU/Linux apps. |
| 22:59.37 | pipeline | nvz: Styluses are expensive. Like $5. |
| 22:59.48 | Blissex | nvz: have you already tried 'apt-cache search pilot'? |
| 22:59.48 | netbrain | what are .diff files? and how do you use them? |
| 22:59.52 | cafuego | bob2`: Check whirlpool. |
| 22:59.58 | bob2` | netbrain: they're the difference between to files |
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| 23:00.01 | FieldySnuts | man patch |
| 23:00.01 | mikeo | is there anything else i should know for installing it or is it pretty self explanitory |
| 23:00.04 | bob2` | netbrain: you apply them with patch |
| 23:00.06 | pipeline | nvz: It's more than not too bad, it's just about the best ever made. It lasts for ages on two batteries, has a reasonably sized screen and good software. |
| 23:00.14 | nvz | Blissex: not lately.. but I know there are apps. I dont have any way to interface the thing. not IR on the PC, and no cradle |
| 23:00.20 | pipeline | nvz: The Palm V is arguably better, though, as it has rechargable batteries. |
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| 23:00.41 | nvz | pipeline: I got rechargable AAA batteries in this right now |
| 23:01.21 | pipeline | nvz: Eh, a serial cradle won't cost you shit on ebay. 1$ plus shipping. |
| 23:01.21 | Blissex | nvz: you can get an IR gizmo for very little money... |
| 23:01.21 | nvz | maybe one of these laptops I got laying around have IR |
| 23:01.21 | YouCeyE | can u guys suggest any good offline web trackers |
| 23:01.21 | Blissex | nvz: but yes, a used serial cradle is easier. Some IR gizmos don work well. |
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| 23:01.35 | cafuego | bob2`: Then aagin, it IS april 1, innit? |
| 23:01.52 | Blissex | cafuego: right now here! |
| 23:01.56 | bob2` | cafuego: hahaha |
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| 23:02.11 | pipeline | nvz, Blissex: The IR in the Palm III is probably its greatest weakness. It's low-power even by IrDA standards. You have to be right up on top of the receiver. |
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| 23:02.30 | bowman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.34 | harpiain | hi, folks! Does someone use debian on AS400 model 9406? |
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| 23:02.43 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: rube goldberg install? |
| 23:02.44 | ravenbird | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 23:03.00 | mikeo | sarge is 2.6 right? |
| 23:03.06 | bob2` | mikeo: as an option, yes |
| 23:03.13 | mikeo | good |
| 23:03.25 | bob2` | bowman: try #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:03.25 | Blissex | ravenbird: somebody once asked that question, except for the dot matrix and the card reader... |
| 23:03.26 | ravenbird | Blissex: You are moron #1 |
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| 23:03.41 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 23:03.54 | bowman | bob2`: I'm less a kernel newbie than rather unfamiliar with the necessary debian packages :-) |
| 23:03.56 | mikeo | lol only took 5 min to downlaod |
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| 23:04.17 | pipeline | mikeo: If you want sarge, at the "boot:" prompt, type "linux26" instead of "linux" |
| 23:04.30 | pipeline | mikeo: err, if you want 2.6 with the sarge installer |
| 23:04.32 | mikeo | ok |
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| 23:04.52 | yoc | MD5 and SHA are br0ken, is that true? |
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| 23:04.59 | yoc | !md5 |
| 23:05.01 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 23:05.03 | mikeo | yea thats waht i want |
| 23:05.04 | RoundQube | hello all |
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| 23:05.13 | yoc | mikeo, ? |
| 23:05.16 | FieldySnuts | broken maybe, don't know about br0ken |
| 23:05.17 | mikeo | yea |
| 23:05.20 | mikeo | burning it right now |
| 23:05.33 | harpiain | does someone use debian on AS400? |
| 23:05.42 | yoc | FieldySnuts, when ? by whom? |
| 23:05.46 | FieldySnuts | yoc: huh? |
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| 23:06.04 | yoc | FieldySnuts, MD5 broken |
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| 23:06.11 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: tell yoc about smart questions |
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| 23:06.51 | yoc | FieldySnuts, MD5 is broken. Is that true story? when by whom? |
| 23:06.56 | FieldySnuts | i have no idea |
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| 23:07.19 | simonrvn | what's that factoid to fix the date/time? |
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| 23:07.52 | harpiain | does someone install debian on AS400 (ibm)? |
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| 23:08.05 | pipeline | harpiain: What model AS/400 ? What color is the case? |
| 23:08.11 | harpiain | does someone had installed debian on AS400 (ibm)? |
| 23:08.15 | FieldySnuts | damn stop repeating |
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| 23:08.32 | yarjar | hey |
| 23:08.33 | harpiain | does someone had installed debian on AS400 (model 9406) (ibm)? |
| 23:08.35 | Ronin | harpiain: just ask your queston |
| 23:08.44 | yarjar | I was just wondering, is there a way to remove every package except for the very base ones? |
| 23:08.44 | Ronin | and no i dont mean that one |
| 23:08.54 | harpiain | does someone had installed debian on AS400 (model 9406-600) (ibm)? |
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| 23:09.33 | Ronin | harpiain: ya thats going to get folks to help you |
| 23:09.46 | valdyn | !tell harpiain about repeat |
| 23:09.55 | yarjar | anyone? ._. |
| 23:10.03 | FieldySnuts | @anyone |
| 23:10.03 | ravenbird | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
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| 23:12.25 | yarjar | anyone know how to remove all packages except the very base ones? ._. |
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| 23:14.16 | quitte | yarjar debfoster let's you select the packages you dont want to keep and removes them |
| 23:14.35 | shingouz | harpiain: i seem to recall that the newer AS/400's can actually run linux. how it is done i have no idea. the older versions are (and will remain) incapable to do so because of the different cpu architechture |
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| 23:17.22 | jim | anyone notice gnome won't start in sarge? some sort of fontconfig problem? |
| 23:17.22 | pipeline | harpiain, shingouz: AS/400's are a royal pain in the ass in any case, and very valuable to boot. Sell it on ebay and buy a dozen PCs. |
| 23:17.30 | jim | err sorry |
| 23:17.45 | jim | anyone notice s/gnome/gimp/ won't start in sarge? some sort of fontconfig problem? |
| 23:18.12 | harpiain | shingouz: What debian version could I install on As400? |
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| 23:18.41 | shingouz | pipeline: royal pain in the ass for sure and gobbles up power like nobodys business but dirt cheap if you can find one somewhere. they show up at the local recyclers here from time to time but all AS/400's i have been able to locate have had the older cpu architecture |
| 23:18.44 | Ronin | jim: gimp 2.2 works like a charm here on testing |
| 23:18.48 | shingouz | harpiain: no idea :) |
| 23:18.49 | pipeline | harpiain: iSeries isn't technically a supported arch. I would get the S/390 hdmedia boot images. |
| 23:18.53 | shingouz | googling... |
| 23:19.27 | jim | Ronin: what version of the gimp package do you have installed? fontconfig? libfontconfig*? |
| 23:19.28 | p2-mate | harpiain: ppc might work, although I doubt there is an iSeries kernel in debian. You would have to build your own kernel |
| 23:19.51 | shingouz | http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/linux/ |
| 23:19.52 | pipeline | harpiain, p2-mate: The S390 kernel etc should work, as PPC64 is PPC64, am i rite? The problem is booting the damn thing. |
| 23:19.56 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: rot13 I like cake |
| 23:19.56 | ravenbird | V yvxr pnxr |
| 23:20.00 | p2-mate | pipeline: no. |
| 23:20.00 | jim | is the 2.2 gimp package called gimp? or gimp2? or? |
| 23:20.08 | p2-mate | pipeline: s390 is not ppc64 |
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| 23:20.15 | pipeline | p2-mate: Linux S/390 isn't? |
| 23:20.18 | p2-mate | pipeline: nope |
| 23:20.34 | puter | hey. i just upgraded my kernel from 2.2 to 2.6 and i'm getting an error when i boot. did i not intstall some nessecary module? |
| 23:20.53 | Ronin | jim: honestly its what ever got isntalled by default, i didnt pick it, its gimp |
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| 23:21.04 | asuffield | s390 isn't even remotely related to powerpc, except that both were created by IBM |
| 23:21.07 | pipeline | p2-mate: Whoa... so how old a S/390 can I install S/390 onto? S/370's, even? |
| 23:21.09 | mtnman | puter: "an error" doesn't give anyone much to go on... |
| 23:21.12 | shingouz | http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/linux/dist.html <-- this seems to be for newer iSeries IBM's, not sure if this would be applicable to the AS/400 you are talking about harpiain |
| 23:21.18 | jim | Ronin: you could always query your system to find these things out :) |
| 23:21.20 | nvz | hmm. well the software on it is tired.. I imagine I could get more interesting applications |
| 23:21.28 | p2-mate | pipeline: iirc anything before ESA is unsupported |
| 23:21.30 | jim | Ronin: could you do that? |
| 23:21.35 | mtnman | hi jim |
| 23:21.41 | jim | heya dave :L) |
| 23:21.45 | puter | the error is: kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) |
| 23:22.03 | shingouz | harpiain: do you know what cpu the monster is running on? |
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| 23:22.09 | tom_74 | jim: gimp is most recent (2.2...). there is also gimp1.2, but that's just a transitional package |
| 23:22.10 | jim | dpkg -s gimp | grep Version |
| 23:22.11 | dpkg | Badgers ate my gimp |
| 23:22.23 | mtnman | puter: what type of filesystem? |
| 23:22.30 | simonrvn | @info gimp |
| 23:22.43 | Ronin | jim: interfering in my beer time you know that? :) |
| 23:22.47 | POVaddct | puter: no ide disk support in kernel? |
| 23:22.54 | FieldySnuts | damnit jim! |
| 23:22.58 | puter | mtnman: i dont remember specifying that when i set up. but i partitioned it as a "Linux" partition |
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| 23:23.00 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 23:23.01 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:23.01 | Ronin | jim: 2.2.4-2 |
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| 23:23.13 | yoc | !shadow |
| 23:23.17 | jim | Ronin: thanks; that's just what I got |
| 23:23.25 | yoc | how to enable shadow passwd? |
| 23:23.31 | puter | POVaddct: how can i check if i have ide support setup? |
| 23:23.31 | mtnman | puter: boot with the old kernel, and find out what type of filesystem. make sure the new kernel has support for it. |
| 23:23.35 | jim | FieldySnuts: foad, but live sometime afterwards :P |
| 23:23.41 | kicknick | am i ok to paste 3 lines? |
| 23:23.42 | p2-mate | harpiain: only the ppc based as/400s can be used to run linux, and not all of them are supported afaik |
| 23:23.50 | puter | mtnman: how do i find out what fs i'm using? |
| 23:23.53 | harpiain | I haven't sure. I need to check this... |
| 23:23.58 | FieldySnuts | foad? |
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| 23:24.07 | POVaddct | puter: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
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| 23:24.11 | FieldySnuts | n/m had enough aol talk today bbl |
| 23:24.12 | puter | (in in the using the old kernel now) |
| 23:24.12 | asuffield | although the only reason some of them aren't supported is because nobody has bothered to make them work yet |
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| 23:24.28 | mtnman | puter: you could run cfdisk.... |
| 23:24.32 | puter | POVaddct: no. i did apt-install kernel-image... |
| 23:24.35 | kicknick | can someone help me plz :( |
| 23:24.37 | yoc | how to enable shadow passwd in debian? |
| 23:24.46 | asuffield | it wouldn't be desperately hard, it's more or less low-level driver stuff. but as/400s are freaky and expensive and rare and nobody really cares |
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| 23:25.01 | dondelelcaro | yoc: it should be enabled by default, but if not, use shadowconfig |
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| 23:25.08 | jim | fuck off and -die-... but live thru it all... live it... eat it... pass it thru your lower intestines... you know, really experience it! |
| 23:25.10 | POVaddct | puter: so look into /boot/config-2.6.* |
| 23:25.15 | mtnman | hi don |
| 23:25.30 | sly007 | I enabled all the ethernet card in the make menuconfig, now that my card is recognized, I would like to know which driver I should keep in the kernel, how can I know? |
| 23:25.31 | Guerin | !tell kicknick about ask |
| 23:25.37 | p2-mate | asuffield: that holds for most unsupported archs. it's not supported because noone has done the work |
| 23:25.40 | thingfish | !tell kicknick about ask |
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| 23:25.50 | thingfish | heh |
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| 23:26.12 | asuffield | p2-mate: many of the unsupported powerpc hosts can't run linux because they lack an MMU, or similar hardware deficiencies |
| 23:26.17 | mtnman | slyu007: run lsmod to find out what is loaded. |
| 23:26.46 | jim | Ronin: could you check apt-cache search libfontconfig and see if you only have libfontconfig1 or if there's another one? |
| 23:26.51 | p2-mate | asuffield: the only ppc's which lack an MMU are some of the 403s |
| 23:27.00 | sly007 | mtnman, can I do it even if I didnt compile them as modules but directly in the kernel? |
| 23:27.24 | asuffield | (likewise for a range of arm and m68k systems) |
| 23:27.28 | jim | mtnman: so did you end up coming this way? |
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| 23:28.03 | simonrvn | and early 680x0 |
| 23:28.03 | mtnman | sly007: man lsmod :) |
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| 23:28.18 | mtnman | jim: i was out there in oct. |
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| 23:28.26 | kicknick | i have a problem my debian server does not want to understand utf8 i have a cgi script coming up with the following error in the logs |
| 23:28.27 | kicknick | Error: Program ending: Unknown discipline ':u |
| 23:28.27 | kicknick | tf8' at /var/www/cgi-bin/nph-irc.cgi line 1118 |
| 23:28.28 | simonrvn | the so-called LC chips |
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| 23:28.35 | jim | wow... 4 mos ago |
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| 23:28.42 | jim | or 5 |
| 23:28.54 | harpiain | guys, I already was downloading debian-sarge-ppc and I will try this ISO... |
| 23:29.01 | mtnman | jim: looks like another trip out there at the end of may or beginning of june. |
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| 23:29.15 | p2-mate | asuffield: I was more thinking of sun2,m88k,ns32k,sh5 |
| 23:29.27 | p2-mate | simonrvn: the LC chips have an MMU but no FPU |
| 23:29.30 | jim | welp... maybe there's a chance we can visit |
| 23:29.40 | simonrvn | p2-mate: oh yeh, my bad |
| 23:29.58 | harpiain | to install on my As400. |
| 23:30.08 | mtnman | jim: yeah, too bad you didn't make it to the north beach jazz thing last summer... |
| 23:30.12 | pipeline | harpiain: AS/400 can boot off of CD? |
| 23:30.18 | pipeline | harpiain: I thought they usually booted off of tape... |
| 23:30.43 | jim | that would be my mistake... I want to hit it this year |
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| 23:30.46 | jim | bigtime |
| 23:30.50 | p2-mate | simonrvn: unfortunately there are quite a few buggy LC040s which don't correctly do illegal instruction trap on an unimplemented FPU instruction |
| 23:31.02 | harpiain | pipeline: Yes, The As400 has CD-device. |
| 23:31.10 | simonrvn | i know. they puke badly |
| 23:31.12 | mtnman | jim: well, i don't know if i'll be there this year for north beach. |
| 23:31.20 | pipeline | kicknick: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:31.29 | jim | what's happening this may? |
| 23:31.32 | p2-mate | simonrvn: but, if you compile the userland with soft floats, this should not be a problem |
| 23:31.41 | pipeline | harpiain: That doesn't mean it's a valid boot device. You usually don't reinstall the OS on an AS/400. |
| 23:31.43 | kicknick | how do u mean pipeline |
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| 23:31.57 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 23:32.02 | pipeline | kicknick: By default, debian uses ISO 8859, you need a UTF-8 locale. |
| 23:32.03 | puter | mtnman: okay im looking at the config-2.6.... file; where does it mention fs suport? i dont see it... |
| 23:32.19 | mtnman | jim: visit the little sister who is moving out of the country in june. |
| 23:32.45 | shingouz | harpiain: you *could* try to burn s/390 or ppc on a cd-rw and try that |
| 23:33.00 | puter | mtnman: okay i found it.. CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y that means all is well right? |
| 23:33.07 | jim | okwell,,, there's gotta be another way around my predicament... I have a gif that's much too small to view... anything besides the gimp can enlarge it at least during view? |
| 23:33.09 | mtnman | puter: it will say something like ext2 and next to it either y or m |
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| 23:33.24 | kicknick | pipeline wud that be en_gb utf8 |
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| 23:33.33 | p2-mate | I'm not sure if you can run linux natively on the iSeries. from what I have seen of the kernel sources it only runs in an LPAR |
| 23:33.34 | mtnman | puter: maybe ext3 or some other filesystem type. |
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| 23:33.57 | mtnman | puter: did you compile the kernel or did you get the binary? |
| 23:34.01 | puter | mtnman: yeah i have CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y. i suppose that means that it supports ext2 fs which is what i have |
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| 23:34.06 | enigmus | I've installed artwiz fonts, but for some reason, they show up in xfontsel but not in, say gnome-font-properties. Any idfea? |
| 23:34.07 | puter | mtnman: i got the binary |
| 23:34.16 | mtnman | puter: yes, do you also have ext3? |
| 23:34.41 | puter | mtnman: CONFIG_EXT3_FS=m |
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| 23:34.54 | shingouz | p2-mate: lookie here: http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/linux/ |
| 23:35.14 | mtnman | puter: okay, so when you boot the old kernel, i would guess that both ext2 and ext3 will be loaded (you can check with lsmod) |
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| 23:35.40 | puter | mtnman: does =m mean that it's not loaded? |
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| 23:36.08 | dexter_ | Why can't i unload the ipv6 module for the kernel? |
| 23:36.11 | mtnman | puter: =m means compiled as a loadable module. =y means compiled in (not as a loadable module) |
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| 23:36.19 | dexter_ | It says the module is in use, but i don't know i'm using it :P |
| 23:36.21 | pipeline | kicknick: Yes. You need to "build" the locale to make it available. You might as well set it to be the system default. UTF-8 is backwards compatible with english-language locales. |
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| 23:36.26 | harpiain | pipeline: I already had reinstalled the OS sometimes (more then 2)... |
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| 23:36.53 | mtnman | puter: the contents of the config file will not tell you what is loaded, only what _can_ be loaded.... |
| 23:36.55 | p2-mate | shingouz: that's the new hw. I don't think harpiain has this machines :) |
| 23:37.37 | shingouz | p2-mate: that is what i suspect too. i saw a mention that the 9604-620 did not run linux so maybe that is an indicator |
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| 23:38.03 | enigmus | pipeline: I have missed the beginnig of the conversation, but I am under the impression that dpkg-reconfigure locales does not run locale-gen afterwards... so you have to do it by hand. Looks like a bad idea |
| 23:38.09 | puter | mtnman: so how can i make sure that ext2 support gets loaded? |
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| 23:38.11 | shingouz | harpiain: do you know what processor the thing has? |
| 23:38.22 | jim | bbiaw... big download |
| 23:38.23 | pipeline | enigmus: Eh, I think it does. |
| 23:38.37 | mtnman | puter: edit /etc/modules. man modules for more info. |
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| 23:39.16 | mtnman | puter: there is also a front-end to load modules... |
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| 23:39.23 | enigmus | pipeline: well, I've fought with my it for a while, and it never worked until I tried locale-gen by hand... but hey.. |
| 23:39.30 | puter | mtnman: what's the front end? |
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| 23:39.41 | harpiain | p2-mate: What do you mean? |
| 23:39.46 | mtnman | puter: can't remember. |
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| 23:40.06 | mtnman | jim you still there? |
| 23:40.09 | shingouz | harpiain: what cpu on the system, is it a PPC? |
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| 23:40.37 | p2-mate | harpiain: you can't run linux on its own on the iSeries. it can only be a guest OS on top of the LPAR hypervisor |
| 23:40.48 | p2-mate | harpiain: so you need to get that running first I assume |
| 23:40.54 | puter | mtnman: but if there's only one modules file for two kernels... arent things gonig to get screwy? |
| 23:41.02 | harpiain | shingouz: Excuse-me, but this will be likely only "tomorrow" morning... |
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| 23:41.24 | shingouz | harpiain: you lost me |
| 23:41.32 | calin | I'm bored, are there any useful and interesting programs for use on a console, maybe an ASCII first person shooter, that I could install and configure? |
| 23:41.43 | calin | Or maybe I should upgrade my kernel >_> |
| 23:41.44 | mtnman | puter: both kernels should have an ext2 and ext3 module. the each have their own version. |
| 23:42.05 | mtnman | puter: the front end is called modconf (run modconf as root) |
| 23:42.08 | calin | It's either that or program something in java. |
| 23:42.29 | harpiain | shingouz: Excuse-me, but what do you mean? |
| 23:43.08 | shingouz | harpiain: "this will be likely only "tomorrow" morning.." <--- i did not understand that one |
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| 23:43.27 | puter | mtnman: it looks like the only modules i can install do not include anything for ext2 or ext3... |
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| 23:44.56 | mtnman | puter: if the config file says =y then the module won't show up in modconf. only the loadable ones show up there. |
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| 23:45.33 | harpiain | shingouz: Excuse-me, but I'm at home and the AS400 stay at my work. It's almost 9pm here and I will work tomorrow morning at 8am. |
| 23:45.37 | puter | mtnman: okay, so since config says =m for ext3 and it's not in here-- it's not getting loaded and that's my problem...? |
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| 23:45.47 | shingouz | harpiain: ok, now i see your point |
| 23:46.07 | elpha | hey, can anyone recomend a program to monitor monthly bandwidth usage and HDD space with a web output? |
| 23:46.09 | mtnman | puter: do you have module-init-tools installed on your machine? (dpkg -s module-init-tools) |
| 23:46.12 | shingouz | harpiain: AS/400 is not exactly a portable system so i can understand why you left it at work ;) |
| 23:46.22 | puter | mtnman: let me check |
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| 23:46.58 | puter | mtnman: yep. that's installed |
| 23:47.12 | shingouz | harpiain: this is the IBM page on iSeries (the AS/400 i presume): http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/linux/ |
| 23:48.00 | mtnman | puter: well i don't have time to check anything else, but apparently there is an explanation of the differences between 2.4 and 2.6 at http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html |
| 23:48.23 | puter | mtnman: okay. thanks much |
| 23:48.25 | mtnman | puter: you could also try plugging your error msg into a web search. |
| 23:48.26 | shadow98 | in debian where do you specify what windows manager runs on vnc...in redhat it was under .vnc in your home dir |
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| 23:48.42 | puter | mtnman: i tried that and got a lot of nebulus answers |
| 23:48.47 | shadow98 | yhink it was called xstartup |
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| 23:49.13 | mtnman | shadow99: i dunno for vnc, but for any other xserver, it is .xsession |
| 23:49.17 | travisat | puter: nebulus? |
| 23:49.24 | travisat | !dict nebulus |
| 23:49.26 | dpkg | could not find definition for nebulus |
| 23:49.39 | thingfish | nebulous |
| 23:49.50 | travisat | !dict nebulous |
| 23:49.52 | dpkg | Dictionary 'nebulous' Nebulous \Neb"u*lous\, a. [L. nebulosus: cf. F. n['e]buleux. See Nebula.] 1. Cloudy; hazy; misty. |
| 23:49.53 | Cyanophytes | what is needed to enable incomming telnet access to my debian system? |
| 23:49.57 | thingfish | pertaining to clouds |
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| 23:50.02 | puter | travisat: yeah thist it |
| 23:50.05 | shadow98 | let me look |
| 23:50.14 | mtnman | cyanophytes: a lack of care for security and apt-get install sshd |
| 23:50.20 | mtnman | um telnetd |
| 23:50.24 | puter | travisat: i mean that's not it... however you spell it |
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| 23:52.06 | shadow98 | i dont see it |
| 23:52.16 | yoc | !cedega |
| 23:52.16 | dpkg | methinks cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 23:52.52 | shadow98 | anybody here using vncserever |
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| 23:53.11 | FieldySnuts | tightvnc yes |
| 23:53.16 | FieldySnuts | it's ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 23:53.30 | FieldySnuts | same format as xinitrc (man xinitrc) |
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| 23:54.10 | shadow98 | FieldySnuts: ii dont see it all i have is passwd .log and .pid |
| 23:54.21 | elpha | hey, can anyone recomend a program to monitor monthly bandwidth usage and HDD space with a web output? |
| 23:54.23 | FieldySnuts | the url in that cedega factoid about boycotting is 404 |
| 23:54.35 | FieldySnuts | god, enough fucking shadow* nicks |
| 23:54.42 | FieldySnuts | shadow98: you need to create it |
| 23:54.45 | shadow98 | FieldySnuts: its not creating it |
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| 23:54.59 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: but shadows are dark and mysterious and cool |
| 23:55.01 | kicknick | pipeline i tried what u suggested i am still receiving the following error |
| 23:55.02 | kicknick | Unknown discipline ':utf8' at /var/www/cgi-bin/nph-irc.cgi line 1118. |
| 23:55.02 | kicknick | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.02 | Cyanophytes | apt-get install sshd comes up with couldn |
| 23:55.07 | Guerin | and make you feel like a cyperpunk |
| 23:55.09 | Cyanophytes | find package |
| 23:55.15 | shadow98 | FieldySnuts: how |
| 23:55.15 | FieldySnuts | though the error page is funny |
| 23:55.26 | FieldySnuts | shadow98: with a text editor |
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| 23:55.35 | FieldySnuts | see what i said about xinitrc before |
| 23:55.38 | pipeline | kicknick: Did you change the system locale? Did you reboot? Did you consider that that error may indicate that it DOESN'T understand UTF-8 ? |
| 23:55.43 | shadow98 | ok |
| 23:55.59 | The_ShAdOw | Hi, hoW to DO this???/?\\ |
| 23:56.00 | kicknick | cud it be cos it says :utf8 |
| 23:56.04 | JRWR | on KDE it say's on start-up /dev/dsp Does not exist |
| 23:56.10 | green_earz | Cyanophytes: apt-get install ssh |
| 23:56.11 | JRWR | and |
| 23:56.11 | FieldySnuts | @irritate The_ShAdOw |
| 23:56.13 | ravenbird | $1: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound hello? |
| 23:56.18 | shingouz | The_ShAdOw: :p |
| 23:56.22 | FieldySnuts | ok why's it do $1 instead of the nick |
| 23:56.24 | JRWR | icant get x11 past the res of 640x480 |
| 23:56.28 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:56.37 | Guerin | The_ShAdOw: get some blue leds and tape them near your box with black gaffer tape |
| 23:56.44 | dvs | FieldySnuts: it wants money |
| 23:56.44 | The_ShAdOw | $1: no such nick/channel |
| 23:56.58 | shadow98 | no manual entry for that |
| 23:57.01 | The_ShAdOw | Guerin: will DO taht :P |
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| 23:57.13 | Cyanophytes | green_earz: does editing /etc/inet.conf require a restart of anything |
| 23:57.17 | citral | enough kidding |
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| 23:57.33 | cafuego | !stawlker citral |
| 23:57.33 | dpkg | citral: CAN YOU TELL ME ANY COMMAND PROMPT COMMANDS!!!! |
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| 23:57.40 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:57.45 | citral | huh |
| 23:57.45 | FieldySnuts | what the heck is stawlk anyway |
| 23:57.49 | green_earz | Cyanophytes: i do not know |
| 23:57.54 | JRWR | KDE in 640x480 is BIG |
| 23:58.06 | FieldySnuts | you're on acid. |
| 23:58.08 | thingfish | that's how people from the South say it. |
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| 23:58.59 | virus | !!! Debian 4.0 has been released - right now it's only available for european users and users that live in a country with a timezone offset greater or equal zero. Go and check it out at http://debian.org/News/2005/20050401 !!! |
| 23:59.05 | harpiain | That As400 isn't an iSeries but eSeries (http://www.abacussolutionsllc.com/used-ibm-as400-generations.asp). |
| 23:59.11 | cafuego | virus: Hi! Fuck off! |
| 23:59.14 | FieldySnuts | @troll virus |
| 23:59.21 | dvs | OH. it's about that time |
| 23:59.23 | green_earz | Cyanophytes: all your service are in /etc/init.d to restart a service /etc/init.d/service-name restart |
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| 23:59.50 | virus | cafuego, if you don't get it don't tell me to fuck off pls. |
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