| 00:00.14 | cafuego | virus: I know it's april 1. i also know I don't want to have to deal with whining noobs who can't find an ISO. |
| 00:00.18 | thingfish | virus: we get it. hardy har har, it is to laugh. |
| 00:00.21 | shingouz | harpiain: checking it out |
| 00:00.50 | citral | virus: THIS URL IS 404!!!!! I WANT DEBAIN 4.0!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 00:01.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:01.18 | bloom | how do I add a new user id to my GPG key? |
| 00:01.20 | dexter_ | Is debian 4.0 even avilible? :P |
| 00:01.24 | virus | cafuego, I'm the one that has to deal with whining noobs. ;) |
| 00:01.25 | dvs | It ain't April 1st here yet. |
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| 00:01.28 | cafuego | !lart everyone |
| 00:01.31 | paulswm | I all really did my April fool |
| 00:01.39 | paulswm | s early on my wife |
| 00:01.43 | citral | the pope is dead :P |
| 00:01.46 | virus | dvs, just as I said only for users living in a country with positive GMT offset. ;) |
| 00:01.47 | paulswm | already |
| 00:01.53 | cafuego | citral: haha, funny. |
| 00:01.55 | paulswm | me hits keyboard |
| 00:02.13 | thingfish | hey, it's not funny, he's not far from it probably |
| 00:02.27 | citral | that's why it's funny |
| 00:02.33 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:03.12 | Skrot | Hi.. does anyone know of any USB-soundcards supported in linux? :> |
| 00:03.23 | thingfish | He does have a high fever, it appears. |
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| 00:03.32 | paulswm | I was on a conference call from home, the call finished but my wife hadn't realized, so I loudly apologized for "my spouse passing gas" during the call |
| 00:03.33 | thingfish | he's a goner. |
| 00:03.35 | dvs | Skrot: no |
| 00:03.41 | citral | d'oh, can't you buy a cheap normal PCI sound card? |
| 00:03.55 | Skrot | dvs: does that mean you don't know of any or that there are no? :) |
| 00:03.57 | Skrot | citral: laptop |
| 00:04.02 | thingfish | and, of course, in his infinite and infallible wisdom, he'll remain head of his church until he's dead. |
| 00:04.03 | cafuego | citral: They tend to not work well with laptops. |
| 00:04.06 | Skrot | and onboard is dead. fixing it will take like forever |
| 00:04.17 | Skrot | i can't live without my laptop god damnit :p |
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| 00:04.20 | cafuego | citral: Mind you, most laptops have sound cards built-in anyway. |
| 00:04.27 | dvs | Skrot: I don't know of any. I think there are two listed in the 2.6.11 kernel |
| 00:04.34 | Skrot | okay |
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| 00:04.38 | citral | Skrot: mmm there are probably many, the usb-sound module is pretty generic I think |
| 00:04.44 | cafuego | thingfish: And probably for a good two months afterward as well. |
| 00:04.44 | Skrot | hehe |
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| 00:04.48 | dvs | Skrot: Are you on the laptop now? |
| 00:04.54 | Skrot | yupp |
| 00:04.55 | z36ra | howdy |
| 00:05.08 | dvs | Skrot: Try "lspci | grep audio" |
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| 00:05.20 | thingfish | hehe cafuego |
| 00:05.35 | Skrot | dvs: Why would I do that? it just lists the onboard one. And its physicaly broken :> |
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| 00:05.41 | cafuego | Not as if it'd matter. THose guys in charge are all but braindead anyway. |
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| 00:05.45 | paulswm | I never though of that, if your onboard sound/video goes on a laptop, you're pretty much fucked I assume |
| 00:05.45 | JRWR | on KDE it say's on start-up /dev/dsp Does not exist |
| 00:05.47 | JRWR | icant get x11 past the res of 640x480 |
| 00:05.53 | dvs | Skrot: Oh. It's physically broken! |
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| 00:06.00 | thingfish | cafuego: oh is that ever for sure. |
| 00:06.02 | Skrot | dvs: yupp |
| 00:06.03 | cafuego | paulswm: That's why you get extended warranty. |
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| 00:07.43 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:07.48 | karamelos | Is there a way to know in wich debian CD is package X (without actually havin the CDs at hand)? |
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| 00:08.07 | JRWR | x11? |
| 00:08.10 | JRWR | in cd 1 |
| 00:08.20 | brynjarh | Anyone here that thinks the BSD license is "better" in some sense then the GPL license? And would like to discuss it with me? |
| 00:08.25 | karamelos | JRWR, no, I mean any given package. |
| 00:08.35 | JRWR | it will ask |
| 00:08.37 | citral | Skrot: confirmed, most devices will work with the snd-usb-audio module. Problems reported with Hercules... so go google and find a good "generic" one ;) |
| 00:08.44 | Skrot | okay |
| 00:08.58 | JRWR | it will askto insert the rigth cd |
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| 00:09.40 | thingfish | cafuego: I agree. Let's hope he comes back as a gay black woman. |
| 00:09.47 | paulswm | The pope was a brave man in his younger days, it's kind of sad to watch him slowly dying |
| 00:09.59 | citral | yeah |
| 00:10.00 | cafuego | thingfish: with aids |
| 00:10.01 | karamelos | JRWR, I know , but I have people that needs just the CDs containing certain packages. |
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| 00:10.15 | JRWR | oh |
| 00:10.16 | thingfish | death is a drag, no matter to whom it happens. |
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| 00:10.19 | paulswm | Even sadder to see the lack of compassion or understanding for a fellow human being |
| 00:10.26 | JRWR | whatpkges |
| 00:10.28 | thingfish | cafuego: that's scary, I almost wrote that. |
| 00:10.30 | cafuego | paulswm: Well, that seems to be the official position on death of the organisation he heads. |
| 00:10.31 | FieldySnuts | no doubt |
| 00:10.36 | citral | who told Bush he was wrong! |
| 00:10.38 | dvs | thingfish: I'd almost agree with that. |
| 00:10.50 | paulswm | cafe_roy: I meant *your* lack of compassion or understanding |
| 00:10.51 | cafuego | paulswm: In a way it's nearly poetic. |
| 00:10.56 | paulswm | cafuego: I meant *your* lack of compassion or understanding |
| 00:10.57 | karamelos | JRWR, postgresSQL 7+, samba client and server, php, qmail |
| 00:11.05 | paulswm | cafe_roy: sorry, wrong nick |
| 00:11.08 | cafuego | paulswm: I know. I fully fail to care, though. |
| 00:11.18 | cafuego | paulswm: Call it karma. |
| 00:11.40 | thingfish | hehe that's good: "I fully fail to care" |
| 00:11.44 | paulswm | cafuego: I hope someone shows more consideration for you when it's your time |
| 00:11.56 | cafuego | paulswm: I doubt it, it's not human nature. |
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| 00:12.36 | simonrvn | he was the head of one of the most oppressive organisations in the world. i couldn't give a damn, and continued to promote anti-abortion and anti-birth control policies. again, i couldn't care less |
| 00:12.41 | thingfish | it's hard to show compassion to someone who has shown by his pronouncements that he cares more about law than about people |
| 00:12.46 | pipeline | paulswm: The key words there are IN HIS YOUNGER DAYS. If he had died ten years ago, the world would have been a better place. Hopefully he'll pass before he starts canonizing hospital staff or demanding human sacrifices. |
| 00:13.08 | thingfish | amen |
| 00:13.09 | cafuego | thingfish: Not law. it's a set of 10 rules from a work of fuction. |
| 00:13.13 | pipeline | simonrvn: He wasn't always that way -- when JP2 first entered the papacy, he looked like the start of a new era. |
| 00:13.14 | cafuego | fiction |
| 00:13.23 | simonrvn | and damn, it's our anniversary today. 10th |
| 00:13.57 | citral | cafuego: fucktion? |
| 00:13.58 | thingfish | well, the Ten Commandments I have no problem with. It's all these other people claiming to speak in God's name and with God's authority. |
| 00:14.01 | cafuego | simonrvn: You didn't get me chocolates! |
| 00:14.18 | simonrvn | no, i got my wife some ;) |
| 00:14.20 | thingfish | I hope they're Godiva... |
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| 00:14.38 | TolkienLuver | lol is this debian-for-christians ? |
| 00:14.45 | calin | man i'm anal |
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| 00:14.58 | citral | !pornsmite calin |
| 00:15.00 | thingfish | no, it's #debian-for-dark-chocolate |
| 00:15.01 | Phated | TolkienLuver: I sincerely hope not. |
| 00:15.02 | calin | zion:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.6# clear&&exit |
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| 00:15.09 | sobersabre | hello. |
| 00:15.14 | calin | haha |
| 00:15.41 | thingfish | ooh, thingfish joins dkpg with those cute gay boys |
| 00:15.52 | simonrvn | FYI, he's just the bishop of rome |
| 00:15.59 | thingfish | exactly |
| 00:16.09 | thingfish | well, historically, that's all he was |
| 00:16.10 | paulswm | To me he's just a fellow human being |
| 00:16.15 | thingfish | until Rome elevated itself |
| 00:17.02 | thingfish | although in a lot of ways it can hardly be blamed, it was isolated from the East and was the sole voice of christianity in the West. |
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| 00:17.25 | citral | he has a mission, he does it... |
| 00:17.33 | sobersabre | hehe |
| 00:17.45 | thingfish | he fulfills the demands of his office, no argument there. |
| 00:18.08 | cafuego | thingfish: No he doesn't. he's supposed to help people. Not make their lives more difficult. |
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| 00:18.25 | thingfish | cafuego: maybe his office doesn't care about things like that. |
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| 00:18.35 | thingfish | I mean, in reality. |
| 00:18.45 | thingfish | Not what they say. |
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| 00:19.24 | paulswm | The purpose of life isn't to be happy. The purpose of life is to make a difference that you lived at all. |
| 00:19.32 | cafuego | thingfish: Well, he's ultimately in charge, so it's his responsibility. |
| 00:19.39 | thingfish | agreed, paulswm |
| 00:20.07 | thingfish | cafuego: it most definitely is. |
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| 00:20.46 | thingfish | I got my BA in theology from a Roman Catholic university, so I can't help but get agitated by the topic. |
| 00:21.25 | paulswm | cafuego: I apologize for poking you, my own personal circumstances have had a poor effect on my morale today and I'm pretty much angry at everything. |
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| 00:21.38 | thingfish | sorry, MA |
| 00:21.43 | thingfish | not that it matters |
| 00:21.50 | cafuego | !wine paulswm |
| 00:21.52 | thingfish | man, too many bourbon and cokes |
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| 00:22.15 | citral | paulswm: the purpose of life is to make the others (especially your dears) happy. That will make you happy too. |
| 00:22.25 | paulswm | thingfish: I was a Methodist lay preacher, so it sometimes doesn't take a lot to get me talking too much |
| 00:22.29 | citral | bring them all chocolate! |
| 00:22.42 | genix | Which commands is executed when I install run "/usr/sbin/base-config" > "Select and install packages" > "Desktop Enviroment"? xserver-xfree86 x-window-system gnome gdm is to set up X but I need to know the rest off the packages. |
| 00:22.43 | thingfish | well, isn't that the Big Question, what all religions try to answer: what is the purpose of life? |
| 00:22.50 | shingouz | 42 :) |
| 00:22.53 | pipeline | thingfish: IRC until you die, clearly. |
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| 00:22.54 | thingfish | hehe paulswm, I feel ya |
| 00:23.00 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:23.09 | Phated | that's the -meaning- of life, not the -purpose-. |
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| 00:23.22 | paulswm | !prize Phated |
| 00:23.26 | resiak | genix: Well why not just install the packages you need? |
| 00:23.30 | paulswm | No, NO BEER |
| 00:23.36 | thingfish | I SO agree, cafuego. |
| 00:23.38 | Phated | I agree. |
| 00:24.06 | cafuego | That may change when *I* get old, but until then... ;-) |
| 00:24.24 | Phated | What do you mean, when you get old? :) |
| 00:24.29 | thingfish | sorry, hon (resiak), it's happy hour at *my* house. |
| 00:24.33 | cafuego | Phated: Watch it, kid |
| 00:24.35 | genix | resiak: there is so many packages I don't know that is included when I select Desktop Enviroment that I really want, but I want to make a script thats why I need to know all packages |
| 00:24.41 | Phated | cafuego: Yes, grampy. |
| 00:24.59 | paulswm | Hey, I thought I was the geezer around here |
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| 00:25.24 | peabody_ | hmm, with the output of the stat command, shouldn't [IO Block Size] * [Blocks taken by file] = [File size on disk]? |
| 00:25.30 | nvz | yeehaw :P Its time to start ebaying shit off.. this printserver I got here seems to be a hot item on ebay, goes for about $80 |
| 00:25.31 | thingfish | I'm 47 and I'll be a gay raging liberal hippy 'till the day I die. |
| 00:25.45 | cafuego | peabody_: yep |
| 00:25.53 | nvz | dpkg, gay? |
| 00:25.53 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 00:26.10 | peabody_ | cafuego, Hmm, for some reason, the numbers aren't coming out right on my filesystem. |
| 00:26.17 | cafuego | paulswm: No need to appeal, just pull the plug. |
| 00:26.24 | thingfish | oh, believe me, when I use the term 'gay', I don't mean it as an insult. |
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| 00:26.37 | peabody_ | Size: 1463087 Blocks: 2874 IO Block: 4096 regular file |
| 00:26.44 | paulswm | Oh for the days when 'gay' meant 'happy' |
| 00:26.48 | thingfish | oh you |
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| 00:27.07 | cafuego | 11771904 |
| 00:27.20 | cafuego | Umculiar. |
| 00:27.28 | resiak | genix: ...a script to do what? |
| 00:27.35 | genix | How can I find out which packages that is being installed when I install "Desktop Enviroment"? |
| 00:27.35 | peabody_ | I know, It's really weird |
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| 00:27.59 | cafuego | genix: apt-cache show desktop-environment (check the depends) |
| 00:28.18 | genix | cafuego: =) thanks |
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| 00:28.26 | nvz | bah.. whats the proper way to put an or in bash? like if I want to move all filetypes *.[abc,def,ghi] ? |
| 00:28.28 | thingfish | 'gay' will mean 'happy' again, when 'straight' means 'tolerant'. |
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| 00:28.40 | resiak | genix: I have absolutely no idea, but for a full-on working GNOMEish system apt-get install x-window-system gdm gnome does the trick, and I'm pretty sure that if you stick kde on there as well then that's what the Desktop Environment thing installs.. |
| 00:28.56 | resiak | nvz: {abc,def,foo} I think. |
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| 00:29.05 | TolkienLuver | thingfish, 'gay' will mean 'happy' again, when your nick changes to, "gayishappy" |
| 00:29.10 | TolkienLuver | no offense. |
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| 00:29.14 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:29.15 | daft | can i configure syslog.conf to send to a pipe |
| 00:29.19 | genix | it installs more, open office etc |
| 00:29.23 | resiak | thingfish: What kind of happy hour? |
| 00:29.28 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:29.39 | nvz | resiak: ah, I got an error, but I think it was due to a name of a file it came across |
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| 00:30.06 | genix | cafuego: "W: Unable to locate package desktop-environment" |
| 00:30.11 | resiak | genix: man tasksel |
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| 00:30.17 | genix | cafuego: do you know any source for it? |
| 00:30.18 | cafuego | genix: Well, there you go. |
| 00:30.21 | chealer | genix: try to do it, it should tell you what it will install |
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| 00:30.31 | resiak | genix: tasksel --task-packages desktop |
| 00:30.37 | avatara | I'm using mdadm to create raid1 array, but i cannot get it to install an md superblock on the disk, any ideas how to use it? (i'm using debian-testing) |
| 00:30.37 | mikeo | wow debian is great |
| 00:30.44 | resiak | genix: There you go. You know, I've learnt something today too. Thanks for your question,. |
| 00:30.45 | mikeo | just installed it and on it right now |
| 00:30.53 | avatara | (i read the manpage for mdadm and i just get confused :( ) |
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| 00:30.56 | Kzimm | hi |
| 00:30.57 | mikeo | way better then when i was trying to get gentoo and knoppix to work |
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| 00:31.18 | directhex | avatara, do you have udev installed? |
| 00:31.23 | sobersabre | is it legal to talk about xorg here ? |
| 00:31.30 | resiak | sobersabre: Define "legal". |
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| 00:31.37 | resiak | !tell sobersabre -about xorg |
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| 00:31.41 | Kzimm | i have 5 HD, 4 in Raid by 2 i have get out the 5th HD that isn't in the soft raid and now raid don't want be up |
| 00:31.45 | genix | resiak: =) there we are =) =) |
| 00:31.50 | sobersabre | resiak, don't tell me anything/ |
| 00:31.50 | cafuego | sobersabre: That depends. The one valid question would be answered by /topic |
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| 00:32.10 | avatara | directhex: no i don't have udev installed, i'm using 2.4.29 but i just installed it.. |
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| 00:32.41 | genix | resiak: good off you, how did you figured it out? |
| 00:32.43 | directhex | avatara, mdadm and udev have... a disagreement... about procedures. i was just checking |
| 00:33.14 | simonrvn | directhex: recent mdadm upload fixes that |
| 00:33.16 | directhex | isn't it redundant for tasksel's desktop setting to install kde and kde-core? |
| 00:33.22 | genix | resiak: kind off easy, but no one has ever told me that before, and I have asked this question a couple off times now |
| 00:33.28 | resiak | genix: I happened to remember that that thing is called tasksel, and read man tasksel . |
| 00:33.42 | directhex | simonrvn, i wasn't aware of that, i just hacked around it by re-ordering rc?.d scripts |
| 00:33.55 | simonrvn | directhex: pretty much what the DD did |
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| 00:34.18 | directhex | simonrvn, perhaps i should have filed a bug in january then, might've saved some time |
| 00:34.28 | avatara | directhex: ohh so guess i shouldn't have udev then... |
| 00:34.42 | avatara | directhex: but now i'm confused how to make mdadm write the superblock, it seems to not write it :( |
| 00:34.53 | dvs | avatara: udev doesn't work with 2.4 |
| 00:35.02 | avatara | dvs: good thing i don't have it lol |
| 00:35.03 | Kzimm | anyone can help on softraid ? |
| 00:35.05 | _joey | I have huge file with .img extension. does anyone know how to extract it? mounting on loop using iso9660 and udf didn't help |
| 00:35.09 | genix | resiak: I have never used x.org but is it just to use x.org instead of xfree86 |
| 00:35.16 | SuperSox | Could someone give me a hand with DRI, I can't seem to get it to work despite the fact that I have no errors |
| 00:35.17 | avatara | Kzimm: what you trying to do with software raid? |
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| 00:35.28 | pipeline | _joey: No way to tell what it is. It might be toast, it might be clonecd. In any case, burn it with cdrecord as a raw and see what happens. |
| 00:35.29 | resiak | genix: ...where did X.org suddenly come from? |
| 00:35.39 | pipeline | _joey: Also try using "isodump" on it |
| 00:35.41 | _joey | pipeline file returns data |
| 00:35.49 | pipeline | _joey: Meaning "file" doesn't know what it is. |
| 00:35.53 | paulswm | You all stay safe, bye |
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| 00:35.59 | Kzimm | avatara: i had a 2 soft raid and 1 HD alone i have just get the alone HD out of the box and now soft raid don't get up |
| 00:36.06 | _joey | okay |
| 00:36.15 | Kzimm | avatara: i dunno why and all part of the 2 raid are mountable |
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| 00:36.23 | MobyTurbo | resiak: a fork of the last free pre-release version of xfree86, with a bit of stuff later from things Keith Packard and others were working on. |
| 00:36.31 | avatara | Kzimm: sorry got no clue :( i'm new to softraid and having my own issues lol |
| 00:36.37 | genix | resiak: I'm kind off new if I say so, but I've heard that x.org should be better then xfree86 or something, correct me? |
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| 00:36.44 | _joey | pipeline it came from a cd I think, tyhe size of 700Mb or so |
| 00:36.46 | resiak | MobyTurbo: I know what it is :) I was wondering how genix switched from the topic of tasksel to that of Xorg. |
| 00:36.48 | Kzimm | avatara: k :/ |
| 00:37.00 | pipeline | _joey: Use isodump or burn it raw. You can't tell what it is from the extension. |
| 00:37.13 | MobyTurbo | resiak: do I look like a mind reader? ;-) |
| 00:37.13 | avatara | brb reboot |
| 00:37.17 | Kzimm | Anyone know why a softraid don't get up when an alone HD is switch off ? |
| 00:37.26 | simonrvn | genix: not better, different. though there is a marginal speed boost. no-one with 3d accel will notice however |
| 00:37.29 | resiak | genix: Well... Right now you'd probably notice no difference between stock X.org and Debian's XFree86. |
| 00:37.46 | resiak | genix: And since Sarge has XFree86, that's what you want to use. ;-) |
| 00:37.54 | MobyTurbo | genix: Debian has back ported some of x.org's drivers, so there's less of a difference than one would think. |
| 00:38.14 | pipeline | genix: You won't get xcompmgr with XFree86. oh noes! |
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| 00:38.55 | mikeo | need to kill x and get to a terminal to install something... how do i do that |
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| 00:39.01 | genix | Ok, I get a lot off answers, then I stick with XFree86 |
| 00:39.08 | simonrvn | the transparency in xorg is sloooow |
| 00:39.16 | staniel | hello |
| 00:39.16 | simonrvn | don't bother with it |
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| 00:39.28 | sobersabre | what can be done is case I810(0): I830 Dma Initialization Failed ha |
| 00:39.29 | simonrvn | it's still very much a toy |
| 00:39.30 | avatara | so any idea how to force mdadm to install the raidsuperblock on a drive? |
| 00:39.32 | mikeo | how do i killx? |
| 00:39.34 | sobersabre | ppenned |
| 00:39.39 | MobyTurbo | mikeo: /etc/init.d/xdm stop (or gdm or kdm, depending on what your desktop manager is) |
| 00:39.44 | resiak | Actually, genix's tasksel question has made me wonder: how would someone know that it was tasksel that base-config invokes? I don't count `less /usr/lib/base-config/menu/pkgsel` as an answer... |
| 00:39.45 | directhex | simonrvn, you're smart, is my reasoning in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296907 incorrect? seems a very trivial RC bug to cross off the list if it is |
| 00:39.46 | mikeo | ok |
| 00:39.47 | simonrvn | avatara: run it |
| 00:39.49 | MobyTurbo | s/desktop/display |
| 00:39.50 | staniel | im trying to get my server to sync with another ntp server. I've installed the ntp-packages, but im not able to get a time from any server |
| 00:39.51 | Kzimm | please i need help on mdadm |
| 00:39.51 | directhex | mikeo, don't use nvidia-installer. |
| 00:39.58 | mikeo | what should i use? |
| 00:40.06 | mikeo | and how did you know lol |
| 00:40.12 | directhex | !tell mikeo about nvidia howto |
| 00:40.22 | avatara | smionrvn: I do with the options mdadm -Cv /dev/md0 -l1 -n2 missing /dev/hdc1 |
| 00:40.25 | resiak | mikeo: Because that's the only reason people ever need to kill X who don't know how to kill X. |
| 00:40.35 | avatara | smionrvn: but it does not install the superblock so when i reboot the raid array does not show up in /proc/mdstat |
| 00:40.52 | mikeo | i see |
| 00:41.02 | simonrvn | directhex: pretty much what i would say, and pretty sure others would agree |
| 00:41.09 | mikeo | what about nforce 2 drivers? |
| 00:41.17 | mikeo | although might have those with my motherboard cd |
| 00:41.25 | SuperSox | !tell supersox about ati dri |
| 00:41.27 | simonrvn | avatara: you're supposed to let the rebuild finish |
| 00:41.30 | directhex | mikeo, you don't need them. |
| 00:41.35 | mikeo | ok |
| 00:41.57 | simonrvn | avatara: if you reboot before it's done, it has to start over from the beginning |
| 00:41.58 | avatara | simonrvn: i do right now its just 1 drive for a raid1 array not 2... but that 1 drive won't keep its superblock |
| 00:41.59 | mikeo | yea this resolution sucks right now and need to change it |
| 00:42.00 | directhex | mikeo, the ethernet is supported by 2.4.23 or higher kernels, the audio is standard intel i810 compatible |
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| 00:42.14 | avatara | simonrvn: it is raid1 with 1 failed drive.. there is no rebuilding going on at this point |
| 00:42.15 | joloc | is there a jabberzilla package for debian? |
| 00:42.19 | simonrvn | avatara: pointless to run raid 1 on one drive |
| 00:42.32 | avatara | simonrvn: i know... i gotta get that 1 disk running then i add the 2nd drive.... |
| 00:42.32 | simonrvn | avatara: it can be re-done, just hot-add it |
| 00:42.37 | directhex | mikeo, nforce2 is amd? wow! you learn something new every day! |
| 00:42.43 | avatara | simonrvn: i'm trying to boot off the drive, but can't without the raid superblock |
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| 00:42.51 | mikeo | lol ok so i take it they are the same then |
| 00:42.55 | directhex | mikeo, nforce2 audio is controlled bu snd-intel8x0 or i810_audio |
| 00:42.57 | simonrvn | avatara: boot off something else until it is |
| 00:43.14 | avatara | simonrvn: but it never adds the superblock so it will be an endless cycle |
| 00:43.25 | directhex | you _could_ install nvaudio using nvidia-installer, but nvaudio is highly unstable |
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| 00:43.28 | resiak | !drxx mikeo |
| 00:43.28 | dpkg | mikeo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 00:43.29 | Kzimm | please i need help on mdadm |
| 00:43.33 | simonrvn | add the failed drive to the raid |
| 00:43.35 | resiak | mikeo: (for your resolution.) |
| 00:43.37 | directhex | that said, it DOES do hardware mixing, and encode to dolby digital |
| 00:43.43 | shingouz | Kzimm: just ask |
| 00:43.47 | directhex | assuming an MCP-T southbridge, not a realtek-based nf2 |
| 00:43.49 | MobyTurbo | mikeo: not the same, there are plenty of AMD boards that aren't nforce2. |
| 00:43.51 | sussudio | in soviet russia, hardware mixes you |
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| 00:44.17 | directhex | sussudio, yes, yes it does. |
| 00:44.20 | Kzimm | shingouz: i asked 3 time but: i have soft raid and 1HD alone. i have remove my alone HD an now softraid don't get up |
| 00:44.22 | mikeo | so no step 1? |
| 00:44.34 | nevyn | nvaudio does software mixing. |
| 00:44.41 | nevyn | at least on the nf3's |
| 00:44.42 | sussudio | mikeo: step 1: steal underpants |
| 00:44.43 | directhex | meh, it's hardware as far as apps are concerned |
| 00:44.47 | directhex | it means mixing in oss |
| 00:44.50 | nevyn | look at the symbol table of the driver. |
| 00:44.57 | mikeo | what does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 do? |
| 00:45.02 | shingouz | Kzimm: i have no idea how to run software raid, i only use hardware raid on my computers, sorry |
| 00:45.09 | pipeline | mikeo: Changes the debconf values for your XFree86 configuration. |
| 00:45.15 | MobyTurbo | mikeo: you know that one way of finding out is to run it. ;-) |
| 00:45.16 | sussudio | mikeo: it makes a balloon animal out of your lower intestine. |
| 00:45.18 | Kzimm | shingouz: thx |
| 00:45.23 | nevyn | directhex: use dmix with alsa. |
| 00:45.25 | pipeline | mikeo: To use those values to generate a new configuration file, use "dexconf" |
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| 00:45.39 | pipeline | mikeo: e.g. "dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
| 00:45.41 | directhex | nevyn, i personally do, since i don't run an nforce2 or emu10k system. |
| 00:45.59 | directhex | mikeo, you seem to have gracefully ignored the message from dpkg telling you whatr to do |
| 00:45.59 | harpiain | I have an As400 and want to boot up that one with linux. I want to create a new linux plataform. How do I this? |
| 00:46.10 | directhex | i will repeat, since it seems depressingly neccessary these days |
| 00:46.13 | Kzimm | Anyone know why a softraid don't get up when an alone HD is switch off ? |
| 00:46.15 | mikeo | lol dont want it to delete my system or something like rm -rf / |
| 00:46.15 | nevyn | shingouz: you're brave then. |
| 00:46.17 | directhex | !tell mikeo about nvidia howto |
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| 00:46.27 | shingouz | nevyn: how is that then? |
| 00:46.29 | directhex | !tell mikeo about nvidia howto |
| 00:46.33 | mikeo | reading about it right now |
| 00:46.49 | mikeo | Note: As of 2 Feb 2005, the Debian nVidia packages are not available in the testing distribution. The problem is reported here. You will have to use NVDIST=unstable |
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| 00:47.19 | mikeo | this is really hard to read in this crappy resolution |
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| 00:47.33 | nevyn | the bad thing about h/w raid is that when the raid controller dies in many cases you need an exact replacement to read the ondisk format. |
| 00:47.36 | cafuego | directhex: tried 7167 yet? |
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| 00:47.49 | nevyn | shingouz: and most hardware raid isn't |
| 00:48.05 | directhex | nevyn, there are many compelling reasons to prefer oss-based mixing to building an asoundrc & praying it works. and using the dolby encoding on mcp-t is neat |
| 00:48.19 | mikeo | just got to that part "the debian way" |
| 00:48.20 | directhex | cafuego, has rdonald packaged it? |
| 00:48.30 | mikeo | you didnt tell me to back it up tho lol |
| 00:48.56 | directhex | cafuego, oh wait, i thought you meant 7174 (released today) |
| 00:49.00 | nevyn | directhex: hrm. |
| 00:49.03 | shingouz | nevyn: how exactly does hardware raid make me brave then |
| 00:49.08 | directhex | 7167 works great here |
| 00:49.28 | _joey | pipeline are you around? |
| 00:49.32 | cafuego | it didn't like my system *at* *all* but that could have been a 2.6.12-rc1-mm3 issue |
| 00:49.41 | to_ | how to mount automaticly devices(like cdrom)?.. |
| 00:49.45 | mikeo | there is no nvidia driver on the list |
| 00:49.46 | mikeo | ? |
| 00:49.50 | directhex | cafuego, i suspect so |
| 00:50.05 | cafuego | directhex: It didn't create the device files on that kernel. |
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| 00:50.15 | mikeo | do i have to add it or soemthing |
| 00:50.19 | wwallace | hello to all |
| 00:50.36 | directhex | mikeo, you don't like reading do you |
| 00:50.38 | Kzimm | i have 5 HD, 4 in Raid by 2 i have get out the 5th HD that isn't in the soft raid and now raid don't want be up |
| 00:50.48 | _joey | pipeline I am extracting new copy of these files from my backups at the moment, also, with these .img files I have 3 ascii files with sub, ccd and cue extensions |
| 00:50.51 | resiak | to_: Running gnome-volume-manager and adduser youruser plugdev is one way. |
| 00:50.52 | mikeo | i cant read this webpage... the resolution sucks |
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| 00:50.58 | mikeo | could read it better in linx |
| 00:51.19 | resiak | mikeo: Read the smegging dpkg factoid. |
| 00:51.21 | mikeo | so i have to build a module first |
| 00:51.22 | resiak | !tell mikeo -about nvidia howto |
| 00:51.22 | wwallace | i need the sources for libdvdcss2 and win32codecs please |
| 00:51.27 | Nurbs | does anybody in here by any chance run debian experimental with the current libc6 2.3.4 installed? :o) |
| 00:51.28 | pipeline | _joey: Yup, that's clonecd format. Totally fucking unreadable. "isodump" is your best bet. |
| 00:51.32 | resiak | !tell mikeo -about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 00:51.37 | |V\oNK | hey guys i got an error when doing a 'mount /dev/hda4' its on NTFS said its not in fstab or mtab what do i have to doo just add it to one of those files? do i have to do anything spiecal since its NTFS? |
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| 00:52.02 | mikeo | so what do i type? |
| 00:52.13 | Marble2 | Can someone please help me, I installed a new hard drive and I had to switch the drive order around and now I can't boot up, I get /sbin/init 428: cannot open dev/console every time I boot up. Anyone know what's wrong? |
| 00:52.23 | pipeline | mikeo: Look |
| 00:52.29 | pipeline | mikeo: Fix your graphics with the free driver first |
| 00:52.41 | mikeo | nv? |
| 00:52.44 | directhex | cafuego, 7174 mentions fixing some 2.6 kernel issues... |
| 00:52.46 | pipeline | mikeo: And worry about the proprietary shit later. The free nvidia driver is really good, it just doesn't do OpenGL. |
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| 00:52.52 | resiak | wwallace: win32codecs are on marillat . For libdvdcss2, read /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/README.Debian |
| 00:52.52 | mikeo | vga? |
| 00:53.01 | mikeo | cause when i first installed it i did nv |
| 00:53.02 | pipeline | mikeo: The "nv" driver does all kinds of 2d acceleration, it's actually really fast. |
| 00:53.08 | mikeo | thats what im using right now |
| 00:53.12 | mikeo | but want the nvidia driver |
| 00:53.12 | wwallace | resiak: thank you |
| 00:53.13 | pipeline | mikeo: Well, then, fix your resolution. |
| 00:53.17 | mikeo | so i can get above 800x600 |
| 00:53.17 | cafuego | directhex: Maybe that's why ubuntu is lacking nvidia-kernel-common at the moment |
| 00:53.24 | resiak | mikeo: Run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and up the resolution |
| 00:53.25 | wwallace | cafuego: hi |
| 00:53.30 | resiak | !tell wwallace -about marillat |
| 00:53.33 | mikeo | ok |
| 00:53.34 | _joey | pipeline any utilities on ms windows for this cloned cd? |
| 00:53.42 | mikeo | what about 3d tho |
| 00:53.54 | mikeo | will eventually want to play games in wine and stuff |
| 00:53.59 | directhex | cafuego, because 7167 was broken? |
| 00:54.05 | SuperSox | how do I check which config file X is currently using? |
| 00:54.09 | cafuego | directhex: I imagine so, yes. |
| 00:54.22 | pipeline | _joey: Yeah, CloneCD. It's $60 or so. |
| 00:54.25 | resiak | mikeo: _First_, up the resolution so you can read. _Second_, read the howtos and get the binary driver. |
| 00:54.32 | directhex | mikeo, for 3d, you need to follow the instructions given to you repeatedly. feel free to moanymoanmoan about your resolution, but you know, you COULD read it in lynx if you so feel |
| 00:54.45 | cafuego | wwallace: The w32codecs have no source. use the binaries from marillat. Just like libdvdcss2 |
| 00:54.50 | shadow98 | how do i make sure that users ftp uploads have correct permissions to view html files in browser |
| 00:54.58 | citral | SuperSox: grep -i config /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:55.02 | directhex | mikeo, can i suggest in future when you configure applications you don't blindly hit enter? perhaps you should have asked the xfree86 configuration for more resolutions if you wanted them |
| 00:55.07 | wwallace | how di know wich debian im running? |
| 00:55.14 | cafuego | shadow98: Set their umask to 022 (or 002) |
| 00:55.19 | _joey | pipeline okay, maybe there's evaluation version of it:) |
| 00:55.21 | directhex | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:55.29 | to_ | resiak: oki, but is belonging to the group plugdev there a necessary condition to the gnome-manager works correctely?(because it could explain what it didn't before..) |
| 00:55.33 | wwallace | thanks |
| 00:55.35 | directhex | or, sometimes more useful, check what /etc/apt/sources.list is using |
| 00:55.41 | resiak | to_: Yes, that is a necessary condition. |
| 00:55.55 | to_ | resiak: oki thx i try.. ;) |
| 00:55.59 | resiak | to_: It is not, however, a sufficient condition ;-) |
| 00:56.26 | to_ | yes that's it a sufficient condition i was looking the word(i'm french) |
| 00:56.31 | Kzimm | i have 5 HD, 4 in Raid by 2 i have get out the 5th HD that isn't in the soft raid and now raid don't want be up |
| 00:56.41 | wwallace | it only says 3.1 what is that sid sarge sid unstable shrek? micky mouse or what? |
| 00:56.45 | mikeo | lol bash: /etc/init.d/kdm: No such file or directory |
| 00:56.55 | cafuego | _joey: Daemon Tools can mount a clonecd image without problems (afaik) |
| 00:56.59 | citral | where is umask documented? |
| 00:57.10 | cafuego | citral: man umask |
| 00:57.14 | citral | nope |
| 00:57.16 | Talnakh | are there daemon tools for linux? |
| 00:57.22 | SuperSox | citral: thanks thats the one I was looking for |
| 00:57.23 | wwallace | directhex: sid sarge stable unstable/ |
| 00:57.25 | SuperSox | Talnakh: mount |
| 00:57.30 | Talnakh | LOL |
| 00:57.31 | zinx | Talnakh: that sounds suspiciously like djbware |
| 00:57.36 | directhex | oh fuck |
| 00:57.40 | wwallace | what? |
| 00:57.43 | directhex | i really hate it when people do that |
| 00:57.48 | wwallace | what? |
| 00:57.53 | cafuego | citral: Yes. it might be the manpage for umask() but it still contains relevant info. |
| 00:57.59 | resiak | to_: If you're not in plugdev, it will not work. However, if you _are_ in plugdev, it may still not work :) |
| 00:58.03 | resiak | mikeo: FFS |
| 00:58.11 | mikeo | ? |
| 00:58.17 | mikeo | what does ffs mean? |
| 00:58.20 | resiak | !ffs |
| 00:58.20 | dpkg | somebody said ffs was for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 00:58.20 | directhex | !ffs |
| 00:58.21 | citral | christophe@monk:~$ man umask |
| 00:58.21 | citral | No manual entry for umask |
| 00:58.24 | to_ | resiak: interressant.. |
| 00:58.28 | citral | :| |
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| 00:58.30 | Marble2 | Can someone please help me, I installed a new hard drive and I had to switch the drive order around and now I can't boot up, I get /sbin/init 428: cannot open dev/console every time I boot up. Anyone know what's wrong? |
| 00:58.32 | nevyn | is there any reason that /media can't be gid plugdev and writable by plugdev? |
| 00:58.36 | cafuego | citral: manpages-dev |
| 00:58.42 | to_ | resiak: you've got the ultimate solution.. |
| 00:58.44 | citral | cafuego: thanks. |
| 00:58.48 | zinx | help umask :x |
| 00:59.15 | directhex | wwallace, somebody was smoking crack when they built their sources.list, that's what's wrong |
| 00:59.23 | wwallace | i c |
| 00:59.29 | wwallace | crack is bad for you |
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| 00:59.51 | directhex | yes, it is |
| 00:59.53 | wwallace | directhex: i still dont know what am i running it only says 3.1 |
| 00:59.53 | green_earz | Marble2: put your fstab cat /etc/fstab in #flood |
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| 00:59.59 | resiak | to_: C'est vrai ;-) |
| 01:00.07 | zignig | directhex: you know this from personal experience ? |
| 01:00.31 | roo_ | the fonts in pdf output using pdflatex are screwed; they look all squashed. |
| 01:00.33 | directhex | wwallace, my suspicion is you're running sid. my suspicion is also that you're not running real sid. waving my hand over my crystal ball......... kanotix? |
| 01:00.41 | NoRtUno | Alguem tecla em portugês? |
| 01:00.42 | NoRtUno | ? |
| 01:00.46 | directhex | !portugese |
| 01:00.46 | dpkg | Por favor, fale em ingles quando estiver no #Debian, assim todos poderão entender. Se você quiser usar um outro idioma, entre em #debian-rs. Para ser ajudado em portugues, use o canal #Debian-BR |
| 01:00.48 | wwallace | ha ha ha ha |
| 01:00.50 | wwallace | u right |
| 01:00.53 | to_ | resiak: ;) how do you do at your's.. |
| 01:00.54 | roo_ | screenshot of fot problem: http://migrantroo.com/misc/latex_fonts.png |
| 01:00.56 | resiak | !kanotix |
| 01:00.57 | directhex | i know i';m right |
| 01:01.00 | resiak | !beer directhex |
| 01:01.01 | directhex | kano is a fucking imbecile |
| 01:01.11 | resiak | WTF? Where did !kanotix go? |
| 01:01.14 | wwallace | y is that? |
| 01:01.23 | wwallace | he doesnt talk bad about u people |
| 01:01.29 | directhex | maybe one day he'll learn enough about how debian works to release a "distribution" which works |
| 01:01.32 | wwallace | he actually like u guys |
| 01:01.38 | directhex | this isn't #debian opinion |
| 01:01.39 | directhex | it's mine |
| 01:01.52 | directhex | based on my experimenting with kanotix, and realisation of how badly it's designed |
| 01:01.58 | wwallace | directhex: i have no problems with kanotix yet |
| 01:02.01 | directhex | andf conversation with him |
| 01:02.07 | resiak | Someone was telling me that Kanotix is just a "stock" Sid with one extra package. I didn't believe him, and clearly this was the right course of action. |
| 01:02.10 | directhex | where he seems incapable of admitting he can be at fault |
| 01:02.26 | wwallace | i go tell him brb |
| 01:02.40 | directhex | do what you like, i'm going to bed |
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| 01:02.52 | citral | memory for me: so if I want files to be created with perms 0600 I need umask 026 |
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| 01:03.11 | MasterYoda | what is the best fs to use on my usb flash drive? |
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| 01:03.14 | citral | wrong |
| 01:03.23 | godric | where does apache get installed to^ |
| 01:03.23 | citral | 066 |
| 01:03.33 | zignig | MasterYoda: vfat , if you want to use it on mac/win/linux |
| 01:03.43 | MasterYoda | zignig: I am having two parts |
| 01:03.45 | godric | (when you run base-config) |
| 01:03.47 | MasterYoda | zignig: so one will be vfat |
| 01:04.13 | MasterYoda | zignig: I am wondering what to make the other jffs2, ext2, ext3, or reiserfs |
| 01:04.32 | wwallace | directhex : you wanna tell him yourself hes in the romm and he says he desnt know who u are |
| 01:04.42 | Kzimm | i have 5 HD, 4 in Raid by 2 i have get out the 5th HD that isn't in the soft raid and now raid don't want be up |
| 01:04.45 | citral | !u |
| 01:04.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:05.01 | Marble2 | ok, just a sec green_earz (sorry it took me a minute) |
| 01:05.18 | zignig | MasterYoda: both ext3 and reiserfs are journeled so they will scribble on the flash drive (bad) , ext2 is probably workable. |
| 01:05.23 | resiak | wwallace: He left. |
| 01:05.24 | imachine | hey. |
| 01:05.29 | wwallace | damn |
| 01:05.32 | imachine | how can i load kernel modules automatically during boot? |
| 01:05.33 | imachine | in debian? |
| 01:05.41 | resiak | imachine: /etc/modules |
| 01:05.44 | green_earz | Marble2: sorry you can not because it will not boot up. you have moved the drive with the boot / do you know with drive as the boot on ?. if not run knoppix on the box and have look how things are laid out |
| 01:05.44 | imachine | thanks |
| 01:05.48 | godric | where does apache get installed to? (when you run base-config) |
| 01:05.50 | zerby | you better use kanotix |
| 01:05.52 | wwallace | in kanotix they say # is not debiandebian |
| 01:05.52 | zerby | :P |
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| 01:05.57 | MasterYoda | zignig: what about jffs2? it is the jorunaling flash file system |
| 01:06.02 | fflush | MasterYoda: why not vfta on everything and be happy |
| 01:06.05 | zignig | MasterYoda: not tried it |
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| 01:06.20 | fflush | MasterYoda: follow the KISS philosophy |
| 01:06.22 | MasterYoda | fflush: cause vfat does not support symlinks so I can't just copy stuff to it from linux |
| 01:06.30 | transgress | is there a command for configuring xorg possibly? |
| 01:06.40 | MasterYoda | fflush: you keep your flash drive simple, i am not writing an app here... |
| 01:06.43 | zerby | you better use kanotix |
| 01:06.44 | zignig | MasterYoda: tar balls are your frient |
| 01:06.47 | zignig | *friend |
| 01:06.58 | MasterYoda | zignig: it seems to work ok on my zaurus |
| 01:07.00 | resiak | wwallace: You what? |
| 01:07.03 | MasterYoda | zignig: I am going to try it |
| 01:07.08 | Marble2 | green_earz, I'm kind of confused. I'm already on a livecd. my linux partition is /dev/hda4 |
| 01:07.14 | apoplex | what is kanotix ? |
| 01:07.22 | zerby | lol |
| 01:07.25 | zerby | ye dont knwo?? |
| 01:07.28 | apoplex | what is lol ? |
| 01:07.33 | green_earz | Marble2: with knoppix runing you need to find the drive which is / |
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| 01:07.44 | zerby | laughing out loud ye |
| 01:07.45 | Marble2 | chrooted in? |
| 01:07.47 | apoplex | what is a drive ? |
| 01:07.49 | Marble2 | how do I find out what drive is / ? |
| 01:08.00 | zignig | MasterYoda: df |
| 01:08.05 | MasterYoda | zignig: df? |
| 01:08.17 | zignig | MasterYoda: oops , I meant Marble2 |
| 01:08.19 | zignig | :) |
| 01:08.47 | Marble2 | it's /dev/hdd4 |
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| 01:08.58 | citral | what I don't get, is why umask 077 == umask 026 |
| 01:08.59 | chealer | Marble2: $ mount |
| 01:09.03 | Marble2 | which does not exist |
| 01:09.04 | Marble2 | nice |
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| 01:09.21 | Marble2 | hm? |
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| 01:09.47 | green_earz | Marble2: so it looks like your / ide 2 as slave |
| 01:09.51 | chealer | godric: the same place it always gets installed |
| 01:09.56 | MasterYoda | maybe I should just do ext2 |
| 01:10.20 | Marble2 | can I pm you green_earz ? |
| 01:10.30 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:11.02 | Marble2 | Okay, I'm confused, what do you mean my / ide 2 as slave? |
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| 01:11.11 | Marble2 | mount shows |
| 01:11.11 | Marble2 | /dev/hdd4 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 01:11.21 | Marble2 | but /dev/hdd4 does not exist (it used to) |
| 01:11.27 | NoRtUno | Alguem tecla em portugês? |
| 01:11.33 | chealer | !pt |
| 01:11.33 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:11.38 | godric | chealler: sorry, but I'm completly new to this and I don't think i'd be asking if I knew |
| 01:11.43 | green_earz | Marble2: i would put that hard drive on ide 1 as master then as slave the on ide 2 as master this is to track it down |
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| 01:11.54 | chealer | godric: no problem... dpkg -L apache |
| 01:12.10 | NoRtUno | dpkg |
| 01:12.11 | Marble2 | oh |
| 01:12.17 | Marble2 | it's uh on ide 1 as master atm |
| 01:12.39 | Marble2 | so you want me to try it as slave? (all my drives are on cable select right now) |
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| 01:12.49 | mikeo | ahhh better screen res |
| 01:12.57 | mikeo | for a while i was getting monitor sync errors |
| 01:12.58 | mikeo | lol |
| 01:13.34 | godric | chealler: /etc/init.d ^ |
| 01:13.36 | godric | ? |
| 01:14.13 | NoRtUno | visa |
| 01:14.40 | shadow98 | what all do i need to apt-get intall to run php |
| 01:14.50 | cafuego | shadow98: php4-cli |
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| 01:14.59 | mikeo | php4 i think |
| 01:15.00 | shadow98 | thats it |
| 01:15.15 | mikeo | not sure last time i installed it was like 2 years ago |
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| 01:15.27 | green_earz | Marble2: well it looks like /dev/hdd4 which is your ide 2 slave. this is what you have seen from the cd distro ? |
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| 01:16.46 | MasterYoda | it does not look like I cause use jffs2 for my usb device |
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| 01:17.04 | shadow98 | anybody else know what all do i need to apt-get intall to run php |
| 01:17.11 | |V\oNK | hey guys i got an error when doing a 'mount /dev/hda4' its on NTFS said its not in fstab or mtab what do i have to doo just add it to one of those files? do i have to do anything spiecal since its NTFS? |
| 01:17.15 | cafuego | shadow98: I just told you. |
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| 01:17.30 | resiak | shadow98: If you mean "run PHP scripts through a web server", then ask that. |
| 01:17.30 | shadow98 | ok |
| 01:17.31 | cafuego | shadow98: If you need to run it with a specific goal, you need to tell us more. |
| 01:17.41 | pipeline | !nickometer |V\oNK |
| 01:17.41 | dpkg | '|V\oNK' is 42.000% lame, pipeline |
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| 01:17.45 | green_earz | Marble2: so you can read / from the cd distro if so have a look at /etc/fstab for the info where you / go |
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| 01:17.54 | nvz | |V\oNK: change your nick to something less lame, ans supply an error message |
| 01:17.56 | |V\oNK | wooohooo moving up |
| 01:18.00 | shadow98 | yees through web server and mysql |
| 01:18.16 | cafuego | shadow98: libapache-mod-php4 and php4-mysql |
| 01:18.25 | opopanax_gentoo | muah-ha-ha. hey folks, how's it goin? |
| 01:18.26 | resiak | shadow98: If you're using apache2, add a 2 after the e. |
| 01:18.33 | litage | what should i do if `apt-get update` looks in repositories for files like pkglist.os but the repository only has .os.bz2? |
| 01:18.37 | shadow98 | thanks |
| 01:18.53 | citral | |V\oNK: monk would be a nice nick. |
| 01:19.03 | |V\oNK | heh |
| 01:19.09 | citral | probably already in use, though |
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| 01:19.34 | |V\oNK | it says its not listyer in fstab or mtab |
| 01:19.35 | citral | christophe@monk:~$ :) |
| 01:19.37 | calin | Any good console/gui progs that are fairly useful that take a while to configure? |
| 01:19.44 | resiak | |V\oNK: Please use something without punct. And read man mount |
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| 01:19.54 | resiak | calin: Wow, that's not vague at all! |
| 01:20.06 | calin | resiak: I'm just looking for crap to install and configur |
| 01:20.09 | calin | I'm fairly bored |
| 01:20.39 | resiak | calin: perl -le 'print while ++$_' |
| 01:20.47 | resiak | calin: That'll take a while to finish. |
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| 01:21.35 | mrhemlock | what is good screen capture utility ? |
| 01:21.40 | resiak | mrhemlock: scrot |
| 01:21.47 | CharlesBrown | yea, I think scrot is the best. |
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| 01:21.55 | Kzimm | i have 5 HD, 4 in Raid by 2 i have get out the 5th HD that isn't in the soft raid and now raid don't want be up |
| 01:21.57 | CharlesBrown | SCreen shOT |
| 01:22.01 | zeemax | hi |
| 01:22.05 | resiak | CharlesBrown: SCOT ? |
| 01:22.07 | CharlesBrown | SCReen shOT |
| 01:22.09 | CharlesBrown | lol |
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| 01:22.16 | Traquino_PQD | Boa Noite! |
| 01:22.26 | Traquino_PQD | posso pedir uma ajuda? |
| 01:22.29 | Traquino_PQD | Simples |
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| 01:22.41 | CharlesBrown | SCReen shOT Utility Manager |
| 01:22.48 | cafuego | !br |
| 01:22.48 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:22.52 | pipeline | SCROT sounds like a disease. |
| 01:23.21 | zeemax | I try to compile Imaging on hppa arch. Does anybody knows where I can find the flags that debian used to build the old Imaging packages ? |
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| 01:26.56 | shek | i am trying to compile my kernel source, and I tried the debian way and the regular way and both cases the machine doesnt boot into the new boot image |
| 01:27.20 | bloom | so would a program you couldn't capture be "inscrotable" |
| 01:27.29 | shek | I am running kernel 2.6.8-1-386 , I dont know if I should be using linux 2.6.8 as my source as there is no 2.6.8-1 |
| 01:27.34 | EvanCarroll | Hrm wasn't netbase the pkg handle that would reconfigure the domainname/hostname when sent to dpkg-reconfigure, I know i can use /etc/hostname, but my job requires me to write a tutorial and i would rather do it this way |
| 01:27.41 | citral | unscrotable |
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| 01:28.00 | bloom | citral: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=inscrutable&db=* |
| 01:28.32 | citral | but I know what inscrutable is... or I think so, smae word in french |
| 01:28.35 | zignig | inderscrotable ? |
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| 01:29.08 | jharrison | say I have a network and then in some other location I have a server. What is the best way to connect my network through the internet to the server so that I can check mail and surf the web and all that kind of stuff through the remote server? |
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| 01:29.54 | citral | yeah, it's like impénétrable |
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| 01:30.20 | citral | jharrison: ssh. definitely. |
| 01:30.55 | jharrison | citral: so with ssh I can set up a tunnel and any type of request sent down the tunnel will be forwarded by the remote server? |
| 01:31.09 | jharrison | citral: do you have documentation or links to aid me in setting this up? |
| 01:31.31 | travisat_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:31.39 | citral | jharrison: forwarded by the server to what? |
| 01:31.39 | green_earz | jharrison: ssh with X -X ssh but bandwidth ?? |
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| 01:32.16 | citral | jharrison: oh, yes |
| 01:32.37 | jharrison | citral: well from what I know of using ssh for tunneling you can do forwarding through a tunnel but I just know of such things as doing forwarding througha t unnel for port 443 |
| 01:32.42 | jharrison | or for port 80 |
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| 01:32.47 | citral | jharrison: no X, though. so you can use your shell, mutt, elinks exactly like if you were on the remote server |
| 01:32.51 | jharrison | in other words a tunnel for each port |
| 01:33.12 | jharrison | but can it be done in such a way that any request can be tunneled? |
| 01:33.23 | jharrison | citral: yes |
| 01:33.43 | jharrison | citral: something like that but for a whole network or group of computers |
| 01:33.52 | jharrison | citral: sort of like vpn |
| 01:33.55 | jharrison | citral: but not vpn |
| 01:34.14 | citral | jharrison: and everything encrypted between you and the remote server. |
| 01:34.26 | jharrison | citral: right |
| 01:34.40 | jharrison | citral: can ssh do that? |
| 01:34.43 | citral | for what you want kind of vpn), I don't know |
| 01:35.01 | citral | jharrison: apt-cache show ssh |
| 01:35.02 | jharrison | citral: were you proposing a tunnel for each protocol or port? |
| 01:35.13 | bloom | jharrison: what are you trying to do? |
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| 01:36.01 | jharrison | there is a client of ours that is in some other location in the US maybe im not sure but not here |
| 01:36.34 | citral | jharrison: you don't seem to understand... ssh creates a tunnel between the computer you are typing on, and the remote computer. After that, everything you do is like if you were on the remote computer. You can surf, ftp, whatever |
| 01:36.37 | jharrison | they have a server with us and they want to use the internet from their server so that it appears as if they are browsing, checking email etc... from here instead of where they actually are |
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| 01:36.55 | bloom | jharrison: you don't want ssh for that |
| 01:37.16 | bloom | jharrison: you want to look at one of the technologies that creates a VPN |
| 01:37.18 | jharrison | citral: yes but you can set up ssh tunnels which is what I thought you were talking about |
| 01:37.24 | jharrison | bloom: yes thats the problem |
| 01:37.33 | citral | !destroy flash |
| 01:37.45 | jharrison | bloom: at the same time this is a live server and I cant rock the boat too much |
| 01:37.57 | jharrison | bloom: seems like all the vpn solutions out there require kernel hacks and such |
| 01:38.00 | zignig | jharrison: you want vtun or ipsec. |
| 01:38.11 | citral | jharrison: oh, you mean a proxy |
| 01:38.11 | jharrison | vtun? |
| 01:38.14 | bloom | jharrison: you *could* do it with SSH, but to do it for every port would be very difficult to set up |
| 01:38.34 | jharrison | bloom: maybe certain ports is an option |
| 01:38.37 | deadcat | is it possible to split ALL the windows in screen(1)? instead of ^A+S over and over? |
| 01:38.38 | jharrison | bloom: ill have to check |
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| 01:38.56 | jharrison | bloom: this is definately not a priority enough to pooch their server over though |
| 01:39.04 | jharrison | at least I would think |
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| 01:39.08 | bloom | jharrison: by the way, if your goal is for web browsing |
| 01:39.24 | bloom | (e.g. at my university, we have access to dozens of journal databases |
| 01:39.33 | bloom | but many are only accessible from on campus ip's |
| 01:39.43 | fflush | jharrison: openvpn |
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| 01:39.55 | bloom | if I want to access them at home, I use ssh to connect to a computer on campus and tunnel through there) |
| 01:40.04 | pzn | Hi! How can I convert an .avi file to a vcd with debian? |
| 01:40.16 | Miks` | Anyone know where i can get a free shell account 'script'? |
| 01:40.29 | pipeline | pzn: A fiendishly complex program called "transcode" |
| 01:40.32 | deadcat | Miks`: rephrase your q |
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| 01:40.46 | pipeline | pzn: The easiest way is to install "TMPGenc" and "defilerpak" using "wine" |
| 01:40.48 | deadcat | Miks`: like freeshell.org? |
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| 01:40.54 | bloom | which makes ssh act like a socks proxy |
| 01:40.58 | EvanCarroll | Is there anyway of getting a list of dpkg-reconfigureable packages, or what packages use netconf |
| 01:41.09 | Miks` | Some people have a script that creates a login...and its pretty secure, limiting people to only certain commands..etc.. |
| 01:41.15 | Miks` | I was just looking for something like that. |
| 01:41.20 | deadcat | EvanCarroll: . /etc/bash_completions |
| 01:41.21 | pipeline | Miks`: Jesus christ, don't you learn? |
| 01:41.22 | Chris``` | any1 else havin trouble with msn ? |
| 01:41.23 | bloom | come to think of it, there's now way to tunnel through ssh and then connect to arbitrary IP addresses when you come out the other end. |
| 01:41.23 | travisat_ | How do I switch to the bottom part of a split when using screen |
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| 01:41.35 | deadcat | travisat_: you need to map it first. |
| 01:41.35 | pipeline | Miks`: We've had this discussion. |
| 01:41.37 | bloom | you have to choose the IP address when you set up the connection |
| 01:41.42 | Miks` | hehehe |
| 01:41.44 | shek | can anyone tell me if I am compiling my source the right way when I do: aptitude install kernel-source-2.6.8 then tarxjf kernel-source, then I symlink it to /usr/src/linux and then cd linux and then make-kpkg kernel_image and then dpkg -i kernel-image.deb |
| 01:41.44 | travisat_ | deadcat: map? |
| 01:41.47 | jharrison | bloom: yes I do this all the time also |
| 01:41.51 | Miks` | yea..man i reallya wanna get this thing going |
| 01:41.53 | shek | after doing all that I cannot book into it |
| 01:41.55 | pipeline | Miks`: Any login that involves any kind of shell is permanantly, dangerously insecure. ABANDON THIS PLAN. |
| 01:41.58 | deadcat | travisat_: man screen then search for bind j |
| 01:42.08 | jharrison | bloom: sure there is |
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| 01:42.15 | jharrison | bloom: you can port forward through the ssh tunnel |
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| 01:42.20 | EvanCarroll | deadcat: it errors out |
| 01:42.21 | kbrooks | pipeline, what do ya mean |
| 01:42.28 | kbrooks | login? shell? |
| 01:42.29 | bloom | jharrison: how so? |
| 01:42.37 | pzn | pipeline, all of them are free software? |
| 01:42.39 | pipeline | kbrooks: He doesn't know chmod from tcsh and he wants to run a shell server. |
| 01:42.45 | jharrison | bloom: you can set up a tunnel to a server and tell it that anything that hits the tunnel should be forwarded to some other ip and port |
| 01:42.45 | kbrooks | and? |
| 01:42.50 | deadcat | EvanCarroll: no s at the end maybe |
| 01:43.01 | pipeline | pzn: wine is free software. Defilerpak and TMPGenc are free as in beer windows programs that work in wine. |
| 01:43.06 | jharrison | bloom: then when you hit the tunnel it comes out the other end and hits the ip and port you told it to |
| 01:43.08 | mfrisch | How do you print html...cups or xprint is printing them huge. |
| 01:43.12 | Miks` | I was just assuming that if you block access to certain programs and all that, it should be secure..so people can't run './' for example.. |
| 01:43.17 | kbrooks | pipeline, and? |
| 01:43.20 | pipeline | Miks`: Thats' not possible. |
| 01:43.22 | EvanCarroll | deadcat: i specifically need to reconfure the net paramaters using debconf as they are when you install debian, the hostname/domain without editing /etc/hostname, i can't find the name of the pkg to reconfigure though |
| 01:43.22 | jharrison | bloom: I use that all the time to get behind firewalls to other hosts on the internal network |
| 01:43.29 | bloom | jharrison: but that's only one port to one host |
| 01:43.31 | Miks` | its not possible to block ./ ? |
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| 01:43.34 | pipeline | kbrooks: And it's dangerous and stupid. I do not encourage stupidity. |
| 01:43.35 | jharrison | bloom: yes thats true |
| 01:43.37 | pipeline | Miks`: Not meaningfully. |
| 01:43.38 | pzn | pipeline, will I have to install windows in wine? is it like vmware? |
| 01:43.48 | bloom | jharrison: and you define what that host is at the time you setup the ssh connection |
| 01:43.50 | pipeline | pzn: No, it's much lower imact than vmware. |
| 01:43.51 | jharrison | bloom: not entire networks or multiple ips/ports |
| 01:43.58 | jharrison | bloom: correct |
| 01:44.00 | deadcat | EvanCarroll: once you source the completion file. then just use tab to finish it for ya. it will list all the available configurable stuff |
| 01:44.00 | pipeline | pzn: You may have to install some libraries, but you don't need a windows installation |
| 01:44.04 | Miks` | Pipeline, how about a script, so that when you login, its a 'GUI' menu, and you can 'choose' to run certain programs...is that more secure? |
| 01:44.12 | kbrooks | pipeline, why? |
| 01:44.15 | pipeline | Miks`: Sort of. It depends on how you execute it. |
| 01:44.23 | pipeline | kbrooks: The world has enough zombie spam servers. |
| 01:44.28 | kbrooks | Miks`, no |
| 01:44.30 | resiak | Miks`: The closest thing to waht you want to do is to put /home on a separate partition and mount it noexec. Then people who can't write elsewhere can't run things. Of course, they can use /tmp, and you really can't make that noexec. |
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| 01:44.32 | EvanCarroll | deadcat: that completion file is broke, it errors out on line 3524 |
| 01:44.33 | kbrooks | pipeline, ssh? |
| 01:44.35 | bloom | jharrison: it sounds like they want to route all of their ip traffic through this server and use it to connect to arbitrary hosts |
| 01:44.42 | pipeline | Miks`: You're not competent enough to do this. Enough said. |
| 01:44.44 | deadcat | EvanCarroll: dang. (= |
| 01:44.45 | shek | I am running 2.6.8-1 can I install a lower kernel? like 2.4 on my system? how do I do it |
| 01:44.52 | pipeline | kbrooks: That's not an answer to any problems. |
| 01:45.05 | jharrison | bloom: yes |
| 01:45.05 | bloom | jharrison: that can only be done with VPN |
| 01:45.05 | pipeline | kbrooks: Setting up a shell server is no small task. |
| 01:45.10 | jharrison | bloom: It hink that is what they want too |
| 01:45.16 | jharrison | bloom: but im not sure |
| 01:45.25 | EvanCarroll | deadcat: yes this is a brand new install too, never did anything other than use the install tasksel to install desktop/workstation meta package |
| 01:45.28 | zignig | pipeline: secure shell server" |
| 01:45.28 | deadcat | travisat_: you can take a look at my screenrc i've been working on this week, but you have to reg. and login: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.php?SCREEN=display&FILE_DIR=dotfiles&ID=.screenrc |
| 01:45.32 | kbrooks | pipeline, ok, and what would YOU do |
| 01:45.46 | jharrison | bloom: I have asked them serveral times what they want but they remain vague |
| 01:45.47 | deadcat | EvanCarroll: next time DONT use tasksel or dselect (= |
| 01:45.51 | green_earz | EvanCarroll: etherconf reconfigure > ip dns hostname domian name |
| 01:45.54 | kbrooks | when in a dilemma like this |
| 01:45.55 | bloom | jharrison: now you know what tools are good for what. I guess you have to talk to them to find out what they want. |
| 01:45.57 | jharrison | fflush: will openvpn work with windows clients? |
| 01:46.02 | bloom | jharrison: perhaps it would help to lay out the options |
| 01:46.05 | EvanCarroll | green_earz: must use debconf |
| 01:46.12 | jharrison | bloom: yes I will |
| 01:46.14 | pipeline | kbrooks: I wouldn't run a shell server. Because I have a brain. |
| 01:46.20 | jharrison | thank you guys for all the input |
| 01:46.20 | fflush | jharrison: sure |
| 01:46.31 | jharrison | fflush: ok im reading the docs |
| 01:46.32 | kbrooks | pipeline, what would you run instead! |
| 01:46.52 | shek | I would like some help please |
| 01:46.54 | pipeline | kbrooks, zignig: I'm not talking about ssh versus telnet, I'm saying it's a bad idea to give shell accounts to people you don't trust. |
| 01:47.00 | resiak | !tell shek -about ask |
| 01:47.13 | pipeline | kbrooks, zignig : that is to say, offer shells to your buddies on IRC when you barely know how to administrate a server |
| 01:47.15 | chealer | shek: yes you can |
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| 01:47.32 | resiak | shek: Did you read the bit in debian-reference about initrds ? |
| 01:47.38 | kbrooks | pipeline, so you are AGAINST ssh COMPLETELY? |
| 01:47.43 | chealer | shek: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 if that looks right and you want a stock kernel |
| 01:47.43 | Calin | on a hard drive, is 1 GB 1000 or 1024 MB? |
| 01:47.47 | pipeline | kbrooks: No, I use ssh all the time. You misunderstand entirely. |
| 01:47.58 | kbrooks | please clarify |
| 01:48.06 | buu | EvanCarroll: hahaha you lamer. |
| 01:48.09 | pipeline | kbrooks: Do you know what a shell server is? |
| 01:48.13 | shek | chealer: is that a fairly stock/ stable kernel ? |
| 01:48.15 | EvanCarroll | ...' |
| 01:48.17 | resiak | shek: More to the point, did you build your ide driver and filesystems as modules rather than into the kernel, and then not supply --initrd to make-kpkg? |
| 01:48.21 | pipeline | kbrooks: Do you give out free accounts on your system to random folks on the internet? |
| 01:48.23 | zignig | pipeline: true , making a secure shell server is hard. |
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| 01:48.27 | shek | I am a newbie so I dont have much experience compiling kernels |
| 01:48.28 | doleyb | kbrooks: if a stranger comes up and asks to sit at your PC for 4 hours alone, do you let him? |
| 01:48.35 | pipeline | kbrooks: There's nothing wrong with running sshd, in fact, I encourage it. But you don't give out accounts to everyone. |
| 01:48.36 | deadcat | shek: then dont |
| 01:48.37 | kbrooks | No and no, pipeline |
| 01:48.42 | chealer | shek: that *is* a stock kernel. and it should be as stable as a debian kernel can be |
| 01:48.52 | shek | ok |
| 01:48.53 | kbrooks | doleyb, no. |
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| 01:48.59 | kbrooks | i would say no |
| 01:48.59 | FieldySnuts | if you don't know how to lock a system down damn good (grsecurity / acls is a fair start), don't even think about doing it |
| 01:49.02 | pipeline | kbrooks: A shell server is a server that provides shells to many users. A server dedicated to shells. Just as a web server is a server you intend to use for serving web pages. |
| 01:49.03 | resiak | shek: You could also use kernel-image-2.6.8-2 |
| 01:49.13 | pzn | pipeline, do you think it will be easier to install wine+2softs than installing just transcode? |
| 01:49.14 | resiak | shek: I would suggest the latter, if you're running a desktop. |
| 01:49.17 | zignig | pipeline: the only time I've done that is with a server that _only_ does shell , and then with users that have signed a 'i won't be a gimboid' form. |
| 01:49.23 | shek | resiak: no I havent done anything like that, I followed an online guide to do it the debian way : make-kpkg kernel_image and then dpkg -i it |
| 01:49.30 | pipeline | pzn: It's what I do myself. Transcode is extremely complicated (and extremely powerful) |
| 01:49.33 | kbrooks | zignig, 'gimboid'? |
| 01:49.33 | Miks` | pipeline: is there such a "GUI" script out there? |
| 01:49.39 | pipeline | Miks`: ABSOLUTELY NOT. |
| 01:49.40 | resiak | shek: Where was this guide, out of interest? |
| 01:49.45 | kbrooks | Miks`, NO |
| 01:49.49 | FieldySnuts | heh, transcode and gui are mutually exclusive |
| 01:49.54 | zignig | kbrooks: dork , troll , asshole , etc. |
| 01:49.54 | zinx | pipeline: and handles dropped frames/corrupt input extremely poorly |
| 01:50.06 | Miks` | damn |
| 01:50.11 | Miks` | :) |
| 01:50.12 | FieldySnuts | i'd use it but i don't feel like writing a 900 character per line script |
| 01:50.17 | kbrooks | zignig, anyone ever be a gimboid? |
| 01:50.19 | pipeline | Miks`: There is no such thing because it's extremely difficult and dangerous to do. Jesus christ. You don't give drivers licenses to children and you don't make "point and drool" canned scripts for the incompetent. |
| 01:50.34 | shek | resiak http://anarka.org/linux/debian_kernel.html |
| 01:50.35 | FieldySnuts | miscrosoft does.. |
| 01:50.47 | zignig | kbrooks: it's from a uk comedy show called red dwarf |
| 01:50.49 | FieldySnuts | "look mom, I can run a server!" |
| 01:50.50 | Phated | Which is why we use Debian, FieldySnuts deary. |
| 01:50.51 | kbrooks | zignig, oops. sorry. reword: |
| 01:51.00 | kbrooks | was anyone a gimboid? |
| 01:51.10 | deadcat | Phated: you use screen(1)? |
| 01:51.18 | pipeline | pzn, zinx: I was not recommending transcode -- when it's too complicated for ME, a crufty, pasty-faced UNIX troll who spends his time making arcane command lines, it's just too complicated for any reasonable person. TMPGenc is a program that takes pretty much any input video file and puts out a very high quality VCD-compliant MPEG. |
| 01:51.21 | Phated | deadcat: I don't split my windows. :) |
| 01:51.23 | zignig | kbrooks: yes , was port scanning and trying to hack other machines. |
| 01:51.26 | deadcat | Phated: HAHAHAHA |
| 01:51.29 | Phated | deadcat: But yes, a large amount of time. |
| 01:51.37 | zignig | kbrooks: lost his hosting account later that day. Mwhahahaha |
| 01:51.38 | kbrooks | zignig, and you deleted him |
| 01:51.40 | zinx | pipeline: transcode isn't complicated, it just doesn't work very well |
| 01:51.40 | kbrooks | :O |
| 01:51.46 | resiak | shek: That's a really shit guide, and I'm going to email its author to say so. Read the debian-reference bit on it. |
| 01:51.49 | Phated | deadcat: If I need more windows, I ^a^c. :) |
| 01:51.49 | pipeline | zinx: I beg to differ on both counts. |
| 01:51.52 | zignig | kbrooks: as stipulated in the form that he signed. |
| 01:51.55 | deadcat | Phated: got a nice .screenrc? i've been workin on mine for the week... getting nicer.. |
| 01:52.07 | shek | resiak: I did an aptitude search on 2.6.8-2 and there is no source for it, the only thing it gave back was kernel-source-2.6.8 do you think it matters if its not 8.1 or 2.6.8.2? |
| 01:52.09 | kbrooks | and what is transcode? |
| 01:52.09 | Phated | deadcat: Mine starts irssi. That's all. :) Nothing else. |
| 01:52.10 | pipeline | zinx: It works as well as can be expected given its internal complexity and incredibly flexibility. |
| 01:52.13 | zinx | pipeline: well, you can have your own view |
| 01:52.15 | deadcat | Phated: girrrl |
| 01:52.27 | Phated | deadcat: Only thing I really use it for is to keep my irssi in between X restarts. |
| 01:52.34 | pipeline | kbrooks: It's a glue program that converts pretty much any audio/video to pretty much any other via the use of dozens of libraries. |
| 01:52.42 | kbrooks | that......ummm...... |
| 01:52.49 | Phated | deadcat: Go on then, show us yours. :) |
| 01:52.54 | kbrooks | sucks? |
| 01:53.03 | chealer | shek: 2.6.8-2 doesn't correspond to 2.6.8.2 (which doesn't exist). both 2.6.8-1 and 2.6.8-2 are 2.6.8.1 |
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| 01:53.06 | pipeline | kbrooks: Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. It's quite useful. |
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| 01:53.12 | kbrooks | yeah. a glue program sucks, imo |
| 01:53.12 | kbrooks | :P |
| 01:53.15 | resiak | shek: The _source_ package is kernel-source-2.6.8. The thing that that guide omits to mention is that you need either an initrd or to build certain drivers into the kernel rather than as modules. |
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| 01:53.25 | kbrooks | pipeline, when is it useful? |
| 01:53.35 | deadcat | Phated: let me take a screenshot of screen hehe |
| 01:53.37 | vitriol | is there a configuration file or something i need to edit to specify wep keys? |
| 01:53.54 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 01:53.56 | shek | resiak: ok , I think it is making sense because when I try to boot in it says hd0,0 not found or somehting like that, as if it cannot load the hdd |
| 01:54.00 | pipeline | kbrooks: YOU find a better way to convert arbitrary video formats. It will probably involve a frameserver and suck just as much as transcode, only in different, harder to debug ways. |
| 01:54.17 | resiak | shek: I know it is. I know what's wrong. Read the Debian reference. |
| 01:54.35 | shek | is there a good guide I could follow? I am trying to install drivers for my board and I cant make any of them without the source code |
| 01:54.39 | kbrooks | pipeline, nice point |
| 01:54.42 | zinx | i like the "BUT THERE ISNT ANYTHING BETTER, IT MUST BE GOOD" argument |
| 01:54.50 | deadcat | Phated: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20050331_21898.png |
| 01:54.53 | resiak | shek: Are you sure you need more than just the headers? |
| 01:55.20 | zinx | in a god-people-are-retarded sort of way |
| 01:55.21 | citral | zinx: I prefer "EVERYTHING SUCKS" |
| 01:55.21 | green_earz | shek: when you compile the kernel use --initrd with make-kpkg |
| 01:55.39 | Phated | deadcat: Sweet. What's the music player, cplay? |
| 01:55.57 | kbrooks | may i poll the channel? |
| 01:56.00 | pipeline | zinx: Well, good is a relative term. |
| 01:56.01 | deadcat | Phated: fuck cplay, playmp3list with mapped keys heheh |
| 01:56.08 | deadcat | kbrooks: NO |
| 01:56.11 | Phated | deadcat: Heheh. |
| 01:56.15 | pipeline | zinx: "good" is meaninglesss without "bad" -- and there's lots of "bad" out there. |
| 01:56.16 | zinx | pipeline: and my standards are clearly higher than yours |
| 01:56.21 | kbrooks | deadcat, you a operator? |
| 01:56.26 | deadcat | kbrooks: no |
| 01:56.28 | linuxn00b | how can i get my intellimouse explorer to work? |
| 01:56.32 | shek | resiak to be honest, I am new and I dont know the difference but the drivers I have in the makefile say I need a /usr/src/linux, should I symllink that to the headers? and then one other package I have called rtai wants me to apply a patch and recompile the kernel so I think I need the source |
| 01:56.35 | resiak | linuxn00b: Define "work". |
| 01:56.47 | doleyb | zinx: you are confusing "ISN'T ANY" with "CAN'T BE" |
| 01:56.48 | deadcat | linuxn00b: usb? optical? |
| 01:56.50 | FieldySnuts | do NOT use symlinks into /usr/src/ for headers |
| 01:56.55 | kbrooks | linuxn00b, what is the problem. |
| 01:56.56 | zinx | doleyb: no, i'm not |
| 01:56.57 | linuxn00b | resiak: mousewheel doesn't do anything, and its ps/2 |
| 01:57.07 | shek | fieldysnuts: I didnt do it, didnt sound right |
| 01:57.10 | zinx | doleyb: it is completely feasable to write something far better than transcode |
| 01:57.11 | deadcat | linuxn00b: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:57.12 | resiak | shek: Yes, then, you need the source. Just add --initrd as green_earz said. (And I'd say add kernel_headers to that line as well.) |
| 01:57.14 | linuxn00b | kbrooks: mousewheel doesn't do anything, and its ps/2 |
| 01:57.24 | shek | how would I do that |
| 01:57.27 | linuxn00b | deadcat: thanks a bunch |
| 01:57.28 | citral | type "enablemousewheel" |
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| 01:57.35 | zinx | doleyb: all you need it some people who aren't incompetent that are willing to devote time to it |
| 01:57.39 | citral | April 1 :P |
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| 01:57.42 | linuxn00b | citral: are you joking or serious? |
| 01:57.45 | shek | just make-kpkg kernel_image -initrd ? |
| 01:57.49 | kbrooks | linuxn00b, dont repeat kthx |
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| 01:57.54 | citral | linuxn00b: joking |
| 01:57.55 | resiak | !drxx linuxn00b |
| 01:57.55 | dpkg | linuxn00b: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:57.59 | deadcat | Phated: i like screen to show the task list of all windows. kinna like a window manager of its own. |
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| 01:58.12 | resiak | linuxn00b: Choose /dev/input/mice and enable the scrollwheel. |
| 01:58.28 | Phated | deadcat: Haha. It looks cool though. |
| 01:58.28 | Kzimm | anyone use mdadm ? |
| 01:58.35 | resiak | shek: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 01:58.37 | FieldySnuts | only if tortured |
| 01:58.46 | kbrooks | drxx? |
| 01:58.48 | kbrooks | oh |
| 01:58.49 | kbrooks | k |
| 01:58.50 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: anyone use? |
| 01:58.51 | ravenbird | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:58.56 | doleyb | msg zinx well, regardless, pipeline said it was impossible, so you misunderstood his argument |
| 01:59.01 | kbrooks | the magic line |
| 01:59.11 | caphuso | deadcat: hardstatus or xterm title can be used for that |
| 01:59.15 | zinx | doleyb: no, he didn't. he said show him something better. |
| 01:59.15 | shek | resiak: does that take care of loading a new image automatically? I mean after that I just dpkg -i that image and then reboot? |
| 01:59.16 | citral | nice private msg |
| 01:59.16 | deadcat | Phated: ya. was working on the key bindings as well. i always get locked accidently. damn ^A^X |
| 01:59.23 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 01:59.28 | doleyb | zinx: no, he said show him a better way |
| 01:59.31 | zinx | doleyb: he also said he expects software to suck |
| 01:59.33 | pipeline | zinx: People will always draw up new codecs to fuck up your monolithic application. It's impossible to make a GREAT application that handles everything as both input AND output. |
| 01:59.37 | deadcat | caphuso: ya. i use hardstatus. was using caption. hardstatus is cooler |
| 01:59.49 | resiak | shek: It'll be added to your bootloader. You may have to choose it manually. |
| 01:59.51 | pipeline | zinx: TMPGenc, for example, handles virtually any input, but limits itself to doing a really good job of two kinds of output. |
| 01:59.56 | zinx | pipeline: it's not anywhere NEAR impossible |
| 02:00.00 | deadcat | Phated: you still remember your login/passwd for my site? |
| 02:00.09 | omnisteg1n | Hey guys, I just put a second video card and monitor on my computer, i have an old 4mb card and a newer 64mb card, before the 64mb was the default but now it set the 4mb card as default, now x wont start because it is configured for my 64mb card, any suggestions? |
| 02:00.09 | zinx | pipeline: all you need is a good interface to all the codecs/containers |
| 02:00.10 | FieldySnuts | too many damned proprietary codecs |
| 02:00.19 | pipeline | zinx: And now you know why it's impossible :) |
| 02:00.23 | zinx | pipeline: current tools completely lack a common interface |
| 02:00.26 | shek | resiak: thats fair enough, thanks alot for the pointers, I am going to try it now thx |
| 02:00.31 | zinx | pipeline: IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVIDE A COMMON INTERFACE |
| 02:00.31 | Phated | deadcat: Hmmmm. Maybe. What's your site? |
| 02:00.39 | resiak | shek: Good luck. |
| 02:00.41 | deadcat | Phated: let me update the screenrc first. |
| 02:00.42 | pipeline | zinx: Oh yes it is. |
| 02:00.44 | linuxn00b | do I have to reboot to test the changes? |
| 02:00.45 | FieldySnuts | he didn't say it was impossible |
| 02:00.49 | Phated | deadcat: Thanks. :) |
| 02:00.50 | doleyb | zinx: I could be king of the world if everyone bowed to me, so its not impossible |
| 02:00.51 | FieldySnuts | just that it isn't there |
| 02:00.55 | zinx | pipeline: i remember you being retarded in the past, on other issues. |
| 02:01.10 | green_earz | shek: all so have a read up on make oldconf |
| 02:01.12 | zinx | doleyb: this and that are completely different things |
| 02:01.12 | pipeline | zinx: Oh, I'm not retarded. I'm just an obnoxious prick. And I'm usually right. |
| 02:01.20 | pipeline | zinx: It has a bit of a rankling effect. |
| 02:01.24 | caphuso | uncommon circumstances are the one big problem with common interfaces |
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| 02:01.30 | Phated | Mymy, we are getting testy. |
| 02:01.39 | deadcat | Phated: hehe. my .bash_profile does a cvs update when i login to that server: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.php?SCREEN=display&FILE_DIR=dotfiles&ID=.screenrc |
| 02:01.39 | FieldySnuts | failed! |
| 02:01.44 | zinx | pipeline: no, i remember you being quite wrong on subjects such as gcc, at least |
| 02:01.51 | linuxn00b | do I have to reboot my computer to see if the changed mouse setting work? |
| 02:01.53 | FieldySnuts | @lart zinx |
| 02:02.07 | Phated | deadcat: Heh, cool. |
| 02:02.14 | zinx | pipeline: and on that note, you can continue believing such a simple thing is impossible just because no one has the time to do it for free |
| 02:02.22 | resiak | linuxn00b: Restart X. |
| 02:02.23 | FieldySnuts | nice troll |
| 02:02.32 | deadcat | Phated: wait. i havent commit the latest shits yet.. |
| 02:02.33 | linuxn00b | resiak: how? |
| 02:02.33 | pipeline | zinx: "Such a simple thing" har de har har. |
| 02:02.34 | kbrooks | who is a troll |
| 02:02.42 | zinx | FieldySnuts: i don't know what your problem is. he did say it was impossible, in as many words. multiple times. |
| 02:02.45 | FieldySnuts | I wasn't talking to you, but since you asked, it applies to you, too |
| 02:02.46 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 02:02.54 | resiak | linuxn00b: Log out. Log in. |
| 02:03.04 | FieldySnuts | zinx: who cares? let it go. |
| 02:03.05 | deadcat | Phated: cool. try again. |
| 02:03.06 | linuxn00b | resiak: thanks a billion |
| 02:03.08 | Phated | deadcat: Ah-hah, I remember my login! |
| 02:03.29 | deadcat | Phated: cool. i just updated my latest to the site. |
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| 02:03.50 | Phated | deadcat: Cool. |
| 02:04.00 | zinx | FieldySnuts: i've already let that go, i'm on another issue now |
| 02:04.04 | FieldySnuts | yeah yeah |
| 02:04.09 | Phated | deadcat: Y'know, I haven't actually logged in since I registered. I'm like the suckiest user around. :) |
| 02:04.13 | zinx | FieldySnuts: you calling me a troll because you can't follow the conversation :) |
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| 02:04.22 | FieldySnuts | stop talkig at me, please |
| 02:04.32 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: herpies? |
| 02:04.34 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: no idea |
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| 02:04.48 | doleyb | zinx: you're the one who can't track what's going on, with your "IT MUST BE GOOD" junk |
| 02:05.08 | zinx | FieldySnuts: i'd just appreciate it if before calling me a troll for saying something like "It's impossible to make a GREAT application that handles everything as both input AND output." doesn't have anything to do with saying something is impossible |
| 02:05.19 | zinx | doleyb: ... |
| 02:05.26 | linuxn00b | it still doesn't work after i logged out and logged in |
| 02:05.43 | Miks` | Man..there has to be some program out there that will secure a shell so ppl cant dic* around...?? |
| 02:05.46 | zinx | doleyb: he hadn't said it was impossible until you mentioned it :P |
| 02:05.59 | zinx | doleyb: perhaps you're better at understanding his completely illogical point of view than i am, for sure |
| 02:06.07 | pipeline | zinx: Many things are "possible" in a specific sense of the world. |
| 02:06.15 | Phated | linuxn00b: Of what? Obviously, making a change in X and relogging in to a console isn't going to help. If you have one of the dms, /etc/init.d/?dm restart. |
| 02:06.24 | pipeline | zinx: In the context of this discussion, making such a program is totally and completely impossible. |
| 02:06.25 | deadcat | Phated: haha. theres only like > 10 users heheh |
| 02:06.32 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 02:07.27 | linuxn00b | i did |
| 02:07.27 | kbrooks | for dm in /etc/init.d/*dm; do /etc/init.d/$dm restart done |
| 02:07.29 | kbrooks | :P |
| 02:07.33 | linuxn00b | and it said it wasn't running |
| 02:07.48 | Phated | Then startx or whatever. Sheesh. |
| 02:08.00 | resiak | Phated: Looks like he figured it out. |
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| 02:08.38 | Phated | resiak: Hmm? |
| 02:08.39 | Phated | Ah. |
| 02:08.39 | Phated | I ignore parts and quits. :) |
| 02:08.40 | kbrooks | find /etc/init.d -name *dm -exec sh {} restart \; |
| 02:08.41 | kbrooks | :P |
| 02:09.09 | shek | resiak: do I do a make-kpkg inside the symlink directory or the actual kernel-source dir? |
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| 02:09.24 | ysothoth | Any sarge users having problems with kopete today? I can't connect to crappy aol or any jabber servers... other clients seems ok |
| 02:10.08 | kbrooks | correction: |
| 02:10.12 | kbrooks | find /etc/init.d -name ?dm -exec sh {} restart \; |
| 02:10.14 | ysothoth | I could use centericq but it is ugly as sin |
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| 02:10.29 | shek | does it matter if I compile my source in /usr/src/linux (symlink) or the actual /usr/src/kernel-source directory? which is preffered? |
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| 02:10.35 | deadcat | ysothoth: customize it. centericq is pretty nice here. |
| 02:10.50 | green_earz | shek: from with in the /usr/src/linux |
| 02:11.04 | deadcat | ysothoth: only suck thing about centericq is that cant seem to map j and k to move up and down. )= |
| 02:11.04 | shek | thx green_earz |
| 02:11.10 | resiak | shek: They are the same thing. |
| 02:11.17 | resiak | Phated: Heh. |
| 02:11.17 | ysothoth | deadcat - I thinkmy main problem is the fonts in konsole make it look bad |
| 02:11.25 | Miks` | pipeline: what about using 'bash' and the 'restricted' mode..will that do it? |
| 02:11.31 | pipeline | Miks`: NO. |
| 02:11.41 | deadcat | ysothoth: oh ya... i've seen konsole do that shit to debconf as well. |
| 02:11.46 | pipeline | Miks`: It's not a ten minute job. It's a 40-hours-a-week-with-ten-years-experience job. |
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| 02:12.02 | ysothoth | deadcat: Let me try it in aterm real quick |
| 02:12.35 | pipeline | Miks`: search the internet for "free shells" and "free viagra" and see how similar the sites are... |
| 02:12.42 | Chris``` | lol |
| 02:12.47 | deadcat | ysothoth: aterm works well on it.. i use xterm with customize colors and stuff |
| 02:12.49 | green_earz | shek: is the kernel saurce the same kernel version as the kernel you are runing ? uname -s |
| 02:12.50 | cyklus | I'm looking to encrypt sensitive files on my harddrive... can anyone recommend a way to do this? |
| 02:12.55 | deadcat | Miks`: freeshell.org dammit. |
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| 02:13.08 | green_earz | shek: sorry uname -a |
| 02:13.27 | Chris``` | celluloza.ro provide free shells for TESTING |
| 02:13.58 | Miks` | Yea, this lonestar.org place, they have an organized system where its hard to hack...now where could i get ahold of this type of script? |
| 02:14.04 | ysothoth | deadcat: Nice... I can use this :) |
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| 02:14.13 | FieldySnuts | it's not a script. you have a ton of learning to do... |
| 02:14.15 | Phated | It's unlikely they use a script alone. |
| 02:14.24 | deadcat | ysothoth: gigigi |
| 02:14.41 | Miks` | what is it then? |
| 02:14.44 | FieldySnuts | learn about things like hardened linux, selinux, grsecurity, acl's, just a big list. |
| 02:14.55 | deadcat | Miks`: want to be a hacker eh? try #linux, they have some leet mofos there. |
| 02:15.02 | Phated | FieldySnuts: I leave you to educate the poor fool. :) |
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| 02:15.08 | FieldySnuts | if you don't have things like that on a shell server, and locke ddown very hard, somebody WILL find a way to get root |
| 02:15.41 | FieldySnuts | at the same time the best learning is to just put it out there and watch people tear it up... just make sure no other system on it's network trusts that system. |
| 02:15.57 | Miks` | heh |
| 02:16.12 | pipeline | Miks`: Good lord. You know what the script is? It's an sh script that sends emails to craig.org looking for fulltime shell admins with a starting salary of 80k$ |
| 02:16.37 | FieldySnuts | i wouldn't do that job for that little. what a stress pool. |
| 02:16.48 | Phated | s/str/c/ |
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| 02:16.50 | Miks` | Like..i dont understand what someone can do to your system if you disallow them from using wget, telnet, lynx, ping..etc..what can they do to hack you. |
| 02:17.10 | resiak | Miks`: Well, for starters they can forkbomb you, which is a denial of service. |
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| 02:17.47 | resiak | Miks`: Secondly, you have to let them do _something_ or else there's no point having a shell. If one of those things you let them use can run external programs, BAM! there you have it. The list goes on. |
| 02:17.48 | FieldySnuts | ok. say somebody has a shell. the trivial things they can do on a non-locked down system is fork bomb you, or lameness like yes & yes & yes & yes .... |
| 02:17.54 | Phated | Then if they have root, they can randomly remove programs... |
| 02:17.54 | deadcat | Miks`: wrong channel to talk about hacking. |
| 02:18.30 | Miks` | Yea, i was gonna just let ppl run whats 'already' on my box..thats all..except for wget..sshing/telneting elsewhere... |
| 02:18.40 | FieldySnuts | my advice is to start by looking into grsecurity. using that patch to the kernel goes a long way to cutting off those who would do harm, but it's not the end-all (nothing is really, eventually somebody will break stuff) |
| 02:18.42 | omnisteg1n | Hey guys, I just put a second video card and monitor on my computer, i have an old 4mb card and a newer 64mb card, before the 64mb was the default but now it set the 4mb card as default, now x wont start because it is configured for my 64mb card, any suggestions? |
| 02:18.44 | cyklus | I'm looking to encrypt sensitive files on my harddrive... can anyone recommend a way to do this? |
| 02:18.54 | Phated | gpg? |
| 02:18.59 | FieldySnuts | you can do important things like prevent people from setting up listening sockets, etc |
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| 02:19.17 | resiak | Miks`: If you think that's good enough, type : () { : | : & }; | & at a nearby shell and watch your computer burn. |
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| 02:19.30 | FieldySnuts | randomizing pids, networking values, tons of other randomization, making exploits that depend on these things not being random much much harder |
| 02:19.38 | Phated | resiak: Uber-smileh! |
| 02:19.43 | resiak | Phated: Hehe. |
| 02:19.46 | FieldySnuts | anyway. nuff said on that |
| 02:19.56 | FieldySnuts | stack smashing blah blah |
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| 02:20.11 | deadcat | resiak: perl -e 'fork while(1);' (= |
| 02:20.14 | Miks` | damn |
| 02:20.24 | resiak | deadcat: The list goes on. ;-) |
| 02:20.26 | Miks` | what do mean by 'burn' ? |
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| 02:20.35 | FieldySnuts | the annoying thing is that no matter what you do, somebody eventually, some day, is going to be able to break it. |
| 02:20.41 | deadcat | resiak: ya... Miks`'s going be a real leet hacker with these tricks. |
| 02:20.46 | FieldySnuts | not a nice thing to have in the back of your mind, espeically if you're paid to keep them out |
| 02:20.48 | resiak | Miks`: Consume all of your system's CPU time and RAM. |
| 02:20.50 | Caesar | resiak: ? |
| 02:20.52 | Miks` | lol |
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| 02:20.57 | deadcat | resiak: can you login to my site? |
| 02:21.05 | green_earz | omnisteg1n: have look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for the cards menory size and edit to suit |
| 02:21.14 | resiak | deadcat: I didn't realise 10 minutes had elapsed. |
| 02:21.21 | deadcat | resiak: hahahah |
| 02:21.24 | FieldySnuts | i haven't tried a fork bomb on one of my grsecurity patched systems in a long time, i think I'll try again |
| 02:21.28 | resiak | Caesar: Read my name backwards. I also run a bot called raesac (read _that_ backwards too). |
| 02:21.30 | FieldySnuts | the logs are amusing |
| 02:21.35 | Miks` | Ok..i get you guys now. So, is there like something when a person logs in, a little gui menu opens up, and the person can select what they want to run...they dont have direct access to the prompt... |
| 02:21.49 | Miks` | And, what's 'fork bomb' ? |
| 02:21.49 | resiak | *foreheadsmack* |
| 02:21.53 | FieldySnuts | Miks`: no offense but you have much, much to learn |
| 02:21.55 | resiak | Miks`: Google is your friend. |
| 02:21.55 | green_earz | omnisteg1n: are the same family type as in nvidia example |
| 02:22.01 | deadcat | !op kick Miks` |
| 02:22.02 | FieldySnuts | Miks`: you can search google for that, it's interesting yet simple |
| 02:22.07 | deadcat | !ops kick Miks` |
| 02:22.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kick Miks` |
| 02:22.14 | FieldySnuts | deadcat: lay off, he's asking so he can learn how to protect against these things. |
| 02:22.15 | green_earz | omnisteg1n: sorry are the cards |
| 02:22.16 | resiak | deadcat: Ah, no. |
| 02:22.17 | pipeline | Miks`: Install VMS. |
| 02:22.29 | stew | Miks`: if you don't know what a fork bomb is, you probably shouldn't be hosting anything |
| 02:22.32 | helix | VMS? |
| 02:22.43 | pipeline | Miks`: Install VMS and offer DCL shells. UNIX is not for you. |
| 02:22.53 | resiak | Hang on, I missed the start of this. Miks` wants to run a public SSH server for all? |
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| 02:23.04 | FieldySnuts | Miks`: i'm not expressly telling you to do this, but if you want to see what a fork bomb does, consider trying one. it's your choice not mine (cover my ass). expect to reboot (power off) |
| 02:23.05 | TimbrWolf | Having trouble setting up usb printer in sarge; didn't have any trouble with woody.....any ideas? |
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| 02:23.19 | Miks` | damn |
| 02:23.24 | Miks` | I'm learning, definately |
| 02:23.24 | Miks` | heh |
| 02:23.30 | ysothoth | You can slay a forkbomb |
| 02:23.33 | PoPnow | is there anyway to see what config file my apache 2 is using? |
| 02:23.49 | Miks` | i remember someone telling me how to 'defrag' a unix comp using a 'dd' command..and my HD went to hell untill someone helped me out |
| 02:23.50 | Miks` | lol |
| 02:23.59 | ysothoth | But it will kill an unattended server |
| 02:24.00 | ysothoth | fast |
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| 02:24.21 | FieldySnuts | Miks`: yeah that's another problem most don't consider: the user or admin.. if you just do something because somebody said you should, you're one of the problems. know what you're doing. |
| 02:24.26 | Miks` | is forkbomb a remote or local run? |
| 02:24.30 | FieldySnuts | local |
| 02:24.44 | resiak | deadcat: Yes, I can. Why do you have a Perl icon on a PHP-run site? :p |
| 02:24.47 | ysothoth | Miks`: Local user has to be logged in |
| 02:25.19 | FieldySnuts | basically a fork bomb starts off as one process, forks itself into another, each of those fork into another, each of those then fork into another.. into infinity, until you run out of ram, and swap, or your cpu is so overloaded, the system doesn't respond, period |
| 02:25.29 | Miks` | See, so pretty much, someone has to get/download this to the local box..then be able to ./ it. So if ./ is not allowed, and downloading into the box isn't allowed...can't that help? |
| 02:25.46 | resiak | Miks`: You're giving away shells? |
| 02:25.54 | FieldySnuts | if you let them run shell scripts, they can do it. if you let them compile code, they can do it. if you let them run executables in places where they can write, they can do it |
| 02:25.56 | resiak | Miks`: :(){ :|: & }; :& |
| 02:26.04 | FieldySnuts | even without those, somebody can find a way |
| 02:26.08 | Miks` | Damn |
| 02:26.10 | resiak | Miks`: Seriously, it's that easy. |
| 02:26.11 | ysothoth | Miks`: No it will not :) forkbomb executes in the shell, it is not an external binary. |
| 02:26.30 | Miks` | So if i login to my school's shell and type that, or any free shell, it'll halt their system? |
| 02:26.41 | FieldySnuts | if the admin is clueless |
| 02:26.44 | FieldySnuts | they can be stopped |
| 02:26.50 | ysothoth | Yeah then they'll come after you with bats |
| 02:26.56 | ireverentReveren | is there anyway to view if a wireless card has it's radio turned on? |
| 02:27.00 | FieldySnuts | yeah and either way, you can expect them to be really, really pissed off |
| 02:27.05 | ysothoth | Hehehehe |
| 02:27.06 | FieldySnuts | probably get you in considerable trouble at the school |
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| 02:27.18 | Miks` | yea |
| 02:27.21 | FieldySnuts | if you wanna mess with that stuff to see what it does, do it to yourself heh |
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| 02:27.27 | Miks` | Wow, i didn't know about this fork stuff. |
| 02:27.53 | FieldySnuts | yeah I didn't know till years ago, a buddy says "here watch this" and i'm like watch what? next thing you know my system doesn't respond and I had to power off cold |
| 02:27.59 | FieldySnuts | learned the hard way |
| 02:28.08 | shingouz | ireverentReveren: iwconfig perhaps? |
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| 02:28.18 | Miks` | damn |
| 02:28.24 | PoPnow | where does apache2 save it's conf file, i can't se the final conf file in /etc/apache2, just the site enable and stuff like that, but not the final httpd.conf |
| 02:28.28 | FieldySnuts | anyway i'm gonna try to fork bomb myself via a C program, let's see if grsecurity kills it. |
| 02:28.28 | Miks` | So what can you do to protect against that? |
| 02:28.35 | ireverentReveren | shingouz that doesnt seem to show the radio state, though... |
| 02:28.59 | FieldySnuts | run stuff like a grsecurity patched kernel, best way i've found so far. that addresses a ton of other issues, as well, but is NOT the perfect solution (there really is no perfect solution) |
| 02:29.01 | resiak | PoPnow: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 02:29.01 | shingouz | ireverentReveren: iwpriv ? (or was it iwpriw) |
| 02:29.02 | ireverentReveren | resiak what does ":(){ :|: & }; :&" do? |
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| 02:29.09 | FieldySnuts | bash fork bomb |
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| 02:29.13 | FieldySnuts | do NOT RUN THAT hhe |
| 02:29.26 | resiak | ireverentReveren: Defines a function : which when called pipes itself to itself and puts that in the background. Then it runs it in the background. :) |
| 02:29.26 | ireverentReveren | ah, ok, thanks |
| 02:29.34 | FieldySnuts | yuck |
| 02:29.37 | ireverentReveren | Nice |
| 02:29.39 | FieldySnuts | job hell? |
| 02:30.15 | Miks` | wow |
| 02:30.22 | ysothoth | oh shit |
| 02:30.25 | ysothoth | Who ran it |
| 02:30.27 | FieldySnuts | uh, did those people do it? |
| 02:30.29 | ysothoth | they did! |
| 02:30.29 | resiak | Hahah. |
| 02:30.30 | FieldySnuts | ruh oh. |
| 02:30.50 | ireverentReveren | NICE! |
| 02:30.53 | deadcat | :() func faster or perl/php/C lang fork bomb? |
| 02:30.55 | FieldySnuts | gotta be careful with giving that kind of info out here, you can be booted off freenode for it (which is why I so carefully worded stuff above) |
| 02:31.02 | dondelelcaro | it's not like a fork bomb is a big deal. There's a reason why you run ulimits |
| 02:31.05 | resiak | deadcat: ? |
| 02:31.14 | FieldySnuts | yeah that's another way |
| 02:31.20 | deadcat | resiak: which forks faster. |
| 02:31.24 | FieldySnuts | dondelelcaro: unfortunately, most don't. but that's alright, they learn eventually :P |
| 02:31.30 | resiak | deadcat: Not a clue. Profile it ;-) |
| 02:31.32 | dondelelcaro | if you don't have ulimit -u set, then you get what you deserve. |
| 02:31.38 | FieldySnuts | agreed |
| 02:31.41 | deadcat | resiak: HAHAH. crazy |
| 02:31.50 | resiak | FieldySnuts: I thought I'd been careful enough, but I guess I didn't add # DO NOT RUN THIS OR YOU WILL HAVE TO HARD RESET after every one. |
| 02:32.05 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: this dont do nothing for users in users group: @users hard cpu 10 |
| 02:32.13 | FieldySnuts | trying this C forkbomb on a grsec box, brb. |
| 02:32.29 | FieldySnuts | HEHEHE |
| 02:32.29 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: their ulimit -a still shows unlimited |
| 02:33.18 | FieldySnuts | grsec: failed fork with errno -11 by /home/me/fb[fb:7861] uid/euid:deleted/deleted gid/egid:yeahright/youwish, parent /home/me/fb[fb:28999] uid/euid:xxxx/xxxx gid/egid:xxx/xxx |
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| 02:33.25 | FieldySnuts | grsec killed that off fast :P |
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| 02:33.41 | bob2` | lilo: er, what's with the cloak? |
| 02:33.45 | ireverentReveren | shingouz iwpriv dumped some info, but it appears the radio is on, thanks though |
| 02:33.47 | Miks` | So how do people running 'free shells' deal with all these little exploits? |
| 02:33.49 | brynjarh | Are there any GNU GPL experts here? |
| 02:33.53 | FieldySnuts | grsec: denied resource overstep by requesting 4095 for RLIMIT_NPROC against limit 4095 for [blah blah] |
| 02:33.54 | shingouz | ireverentReveren: yw |
| 02:33.54 | Bac9 | is there a way to get alsa apps to output sound over network? |
| 02:33.56 | FieldySnuts | nice. |
| 02:34.09 | bob2` | brynjarh: a) hire a lawyer or b) ask your question |
| 02:34.18 | deadcat | Miks`: not alot of lamers trying to break those systems. |
| 02:34.34 | resiak | deadcat: Where did you put that line, out of interest? |
| 02:34.51 | FieldySnuts | Miks`: ulimits, patches to the kernel such as grsecurity, general experience with kiddies trying garbage etc |
| 02:34.56 | deadcat | resiak: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 02:35.09 | chealer | brynjarh: did you try #gnu ? |
| 02:35.12 | deadcat | resiak: i think it worked before. dont know what had happened |
| 02:35.25 | deadcat | OJ's lawyer died right? (= |
| 02:35.41 | resiak | deadcat: Heh. |
| 02:35.49 | FieldySnuts | that's interesting, i'm running that fork bomb now, grsecurity is allowing it to run, but not allowing it to spawn past just over 4000 instances |
| 02:35.50 | deadcat | HAHAHAAH. hes going straight to hell. |
| 02:35.56 | FieldySnuts | and the system is wholly responsive |
| 02:36.04 | FieldySnuts | nice to know |
| 02:36.22 | FieldySnuts | top - 21:37:18 up 10:59, 3 users, load average: 427.30, 776.45, 273.83 |
| 02:36.25 | FieldySnuts | good god. |
| 02:36.31 | Miks` | damn |
| 02:36.34 | Miks` | what happened |
| 02:36.39 | FieldySnuts | fork bombing myself |
| 02:36.44 | Miks` | can you kill the forkbomb? |
| 02:36.51 | FieldySnuts | but grsecurity is preventing it from wholly going crazy |
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| 02:37.03 | cafuego | Miks`: Of course, that's what 'killall 'is for. |
| 02:37.07 | FieldySnuts | well in this case if a user had done it, i'd notice real fast, and it's easy to find out what process and what user is doing it |
| 02:37.15 | bob2` | someone should just explain how processes work to Miks` |
| 02:37.17 | FieldySnuts | Tasks: 4153 total, 4044 running, 109 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 02:37.18 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 02:37.24 | bob2` | so he/she doesn't have to ask little questions over and over |
| 02:37.43 | FieldySnuts | load average: 483.38, 621.79, 562.05 |
| 02:37.46 | FieldySnuts | that was fun. |
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| 02:38.04 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: did you climax? (= |
| 02:38.12 | brynjarh | bob2, I asked specifically for someone who knows stuff about GNU GPL because I wasn't sure if it would be proper for me to ask a question about that topic on this channel and I have already asked on the proper channel with no response. |
| 02:38.20 | brynjarh | chealer, yea I already tryed there. |
| 02:38.20 | Miks` | wow |
| 02:38.25 | sussudio | in soviet russia, bomb forks you |
| 02:38.37 | tony | ok i just setup vsftpd , sarge and i can get to it from the same box, but cant from anywhere else .. any ideas? |
| 02:38.46 | FieldySnuts | heh i just noticed, i'm missing a few applications that were running before... grsec killed some of my processes off |
| 02:39.04 | PoPnow | on a apache 2 server there's a password login for a directory but I can't find any auth-mods in my config files.. is apache2 really using /etc/apache2/apache.conf to read the conf? |
| 02:39.14 | brynjarh | Are the 4 essential freedoms defined by the FSF or some other organization? GNU is just a operating system and not a organization right? |
| 02:39.16 | FieldySnuts | neat stuff |
| 02:39.22 | deadcat | tony: check the vsftp.conf file in /etc/ |
| 02:39.29 | Miks` | FieldySnuts: so if you limit the amt of processes for each user, then can it still go bad? |
| 02:39.40 | FieldySnuts | Miks`: not sure what you mean? |
| 02:39.48 | bob2` | brynjarh: it's way more annoying if you ask to ask |
| 02:39.50 | tony | deadcat, i have made adjustments .. doesnt change |
| 02:39.56 | bob2` | brynjarh: gnu is a project of the fsf |
| 02:40.00 | deadcat | tony: restart daemon? |
| 02:40.03 | bob2` | brynjarh: the four freedoms are something the fsf created |
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| 02:40.08 | bob2` | where "fsf" = 'rms" |
| 02:40.08 | tony | deadcat, yes |
| 02:40.14 | deadcat | tony: firewall? |
| 02:40.16 | FieldySnuts | @rms |
| 02:40.16 | ravenbird | [rms] Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs. or one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" or Richard M. Stallman, Raving Militant Sycophant!;; ... |
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| 02:40.33 | Miks` | FieldySnuts: Like limit each user to 5 processes |
| 02:40.34 | Miks` | is that possible |
| 02:40.36 | FieldySnuts | hm thought that was the one with the guns lunatic comment |
| 02:40.37 | tony | not unsless sarge did it without me knowing |
| 02:40.47 | FieldySnuts | Miks`: if you wanted to, though that'd be annoyingly low |
| 02:40.50 | bob2` | FieldySnuts: esr |
| 02:40.53 | FieldySnuts | oh |
| 02:41.07 | FieldySnuts | Miks`: I think that's pretty simple, done via ulimits (pam? shell? i forget) |
| 02:41.31 | ireverentReveren | ok, a few days ago, my wireless worked. Now, it doesnt. It appears to my guru friend that the card's radio is turned off. I dont see any key on the keyboard (inspirion 5150) that would do that, but it might be there.... any way to test if the radio is active? |
| 02:41.36 | brynjarh | bob2, okay thanks, so the following sentence is correct --> The goal of the GNU GPL license is to ensure that all software licensed under it, including modified versions of the software, will be compliant with the 4 essential freedoms defined by the FSF. |
| 02:41.36 | FieldySnuts | i'm a lot more comfortable with such limits in the kernel itself, however, if somebody figures a way around ulimits, they'd still have to get past the kernel limits in place |
| 02:42.05 | bob2` | brynjarh: well, the goal is to ensure it will be Free and stay Free, but that's basically the same thing |
| 02:42.08 | pipeline | Miks`: Forkbombs are usually the least of your concern. The worst that can happen with a forkbomb is that your server crashes. |
| 02:42.27 | Miks` | yea |
| 02:42.31 | bob2` | the deeper goal is to create a pool of Free code (and culture) that can be used and mixed |
| 02:42.36 | FieldySnuts | yeah that's just extremely annoying. a bigger problem is somebody attempting to break in through running services |
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| 02:43.07 | FieldySnuts | bind, squid, apache, sshd itself... rpc services blah blah |
| 02:43.17 | FieldySnuts | if somebody can get to it, somebody's gonna try eventually |
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| 02:43.44 | Miks` | so prevent em from getting to it |
| 02:43.45 | Miks` | hehe |
| 02:43.55 | Miks` | i never knew it is so hard |
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| 02:44.04 | FieldySnuts | it can be pretty irritating |
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| 02:44.14 | FieldySnuts | especially if you piss off somebody who really knows what they're doing (which I have) |
| 02:44.18 | tomb0y | anyone know why i receive undelivarable address linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org when trying to report a bug to the kernel devs ? |
| 02:45.03 | jonathan_ | I am having trouble running 'dvd shrink' with wine. latest version of debian testing installed. i keep getting an access violation when 'dvd shrink' starts to install. wine is working because i used it to install rtcw to get the pak files. |
| 02:45.47 | resiak | jonathan_: Has it occured to you that Wine is not perfect? |
| 02:45.56 | resiak | jonathan_: What does "DVD Shrink" do? |
| 02:46.12 | ireverentReveren | resiak shinks dvds to 4.7 gigs |
| 02:46.17 | tomb0y | resiak: let alone dvd shrink is worst program on earth :) |
| 02:46.24 | jonathan_ | resiak others have used it with wine and it works (read off of website) dvd shrink copies dvd movies |
| 02:46.31 | ireverentReveren | tomb0y what is better suited to that purpose? |
| 02:46.43 | FieldySnuts | warez kiddie program, you get a raw dump of a dvd movie disc, which is going to be more than 4.7GB, and re-encodes it to be smaller and fit on a standard dvd. |
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| 02:47.06 | tomb0y | ireverentRevern: something that doesnt mess up your menu ids and aspect ratios |
| 02:47.14 | ireverentReveren | FieldySnuts i have a valid use for it... |
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| 02:47.22 | FieldySnuts | yeah right. |
| 02:47.24 | ireverentReveren | tomb0y feel free to speak up on that one. |
| 02:47.46 | jonathan_ | I make backups of all my dvds and you would too with a 2yr old running around |
| 02:47.49 | FieldySnuts | April 11th, 2005, is the 40th anniversary of the Palm Sunday Tornado Outbreak. In 1965, 47 tornadoes ripped across the Midwest in a 12 hour period, one of the largest tornado outbreaks in history. |
| 02:47.52 | FieldySnuts | sheesh. |
| 02:48.03 | ireverentReveren | FieldySnuts i take my neighbors expensive disney movies that they bought, and make backups for them to give to ther 3 and 5 year old |
| 02:48.20 | tomb0y | ireverentRevern: considering you prefer the one click option, any other method would not suit you. |
| 02:48.21 | resiak | ireverentReveren: So those "backups" are actually copies. |
| 02:48.42 | ireverentReveren | resiak fair use copies of dvds they own |
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| 02:48.56 | resiak | jonathan_: I would back them up to two separate DVDs, because if you crumple it up you lose quality. |
| 02:49.00 | ireverentReveren | so when the kids trash the discs they are not out $25 |
| 02:49.04 | resiak | ireverentReveren: Ah, sorry, misread. |
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| 02:49.15 | tomb0y | resiak: you mean, just use a double layer disc. |
| 02:49.16 | zignig | op! |
| 02:49.18 | FieldySnuts | @ops samara17_cam spammer |
| 02:49.20 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: samara17_cam spammer |
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| 02:49.34 | deadcat | dont believe that site.. she aint that hot. )= |
| 02:49.43 | billyoc | lol |
| 02:49.45 | deadcat | (= |
| 02:49.46 | ireverentReveren | Laughs Out Loud |
| 02:49.51 | FieldySnuts | shit feels more like dalnet every day with that crap. sigh |
| 02:49.52 | sussudio | !fuck brazil |
| 02:49.58 | FieldySnuts | a bunny? lol |
| 02:50.11 | sussudio | !lolz |
| 02:50.15 | FieldySnuts | yeah yeah |
| 02:50.24 | FieldySnuts | in soviet russia, vibrators fuck YOU |
| 02:50.31 | green_earz | ireverentReveren: keep a check on dual layer -R price are getting better ? but will. keeps the qualty up |
| 02:50.33 | pepina | lol |
| 02:50.40 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: in soviet russia, vibrators fuck bunnies |
| 02:50.43 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 02:50.50 | ireverentReveren | green_earz yeah, i have a dl burner, just no media |
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| 02:51.36 | ireverentReveren | tomb0y i would not mind doing work, but i have yet to see menu items not working OR aspect ratios geting messed up, so i am happy with this program. |
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| 02:52.20 | ireverentReveren | tomb0y if it aint broke dont fix it and all |
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| 02:53.19 | pipeline | sussudio, FieldySnuts: In soviet russia, vibrators ARE bunnies |
| 02:53.25 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 02:53.31 | tomb0y | ireverentRevern: the quality is absolute shit.. but obviously if it dont bother you, then dont worry, but id highly suggest using cce to reencode |
| 02:54.10 | ireverentReveren | tomb0y on non -hd tvs (like what i have, and my neighbors) i can see no difference in quality |
| 02:54.21 | ireverentReveren | but i will look into it |
| 02:54.23 | ireverentReveren | thanks |
| 02:54.31 | ysothoth | cce is not free software... |
| 02:54.35 | ysothoth | by any meaning |
| 02:54.43 | tomb0y | dvdshrink also causes interlacing. |
| 02:54.56 | tomb0y | ysothoth: thats correct, so you support the software that you use. |
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| 03:03.07 | ahmad | what is the difference between jigdo files under jigdo-area directory and under rc3 direcotry?? |
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| 03:03.28 | ireverentReveren | !test |
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| 03:03.51 | stormshadow | any shellscripters out there? |
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| 03:04.52 | linoleum | hello : I have installed courier-imap on my computer, now please, how can I connect thunderbird on my imap server that is on the same computer? |
| 03:04.57 | Gnurdux | i have two questions about the way debian handles upgrades |
| 03:05.07 | Gnurdux | how does it upgrade things like glibc? |
| 03:05.09 | Gnurdux | with apt-get? |
| 03:05.13 | ahmad | jigdo-area is linked to from the jigdo-cd page, while rc3 is linked to from the debian-installer page, but what is the difference??? |
| 03:05.21 | Bac9 | linoleum: connect to localhost (127.0.0.1) |
| 03:05.28 | ahmad | will they result in the same iso images or not?? |
| 03:05.29 | shingouz | Gnurdux: yes |
| 03:05.31 | Gnurdux | also, what does it do for non-debconfed packages |
| 03:05.35 | Gnurdux | i know it CAN |
| 03:05.39 | Gnurdux | how? |
| 03:05.57 | shingouz | Gnurdux: what do you mean with the how? |
| 03:06.01 | Gnurdux | for non-debconfed packages, how does it handle configuration file changes between versions in upgrades> |
| 03:06.13 | Gnurdux | well like dpkg itself |
| 03:06.16 | Gnurdux | is liked to glibc |
| 03:06.29 | linoleum | Bac9: ok tkx |
| 03:06.35 | Gnurdux | so its like ripping the floor up from under its own feet |
| 03:06.40 | green_earz | ahmad: with jigdo you can build the iso from a older iso version and then it will add the new bits |
| 03:06.44 | paster | "pepina" at 194.165.153.230 pasted "aaa" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/395 |
| 03:08.00 | ahmad | green_earz: i'm trying to download recent sarge iso images using jigdo, but found two sets of jigdo files, one in the jigdo-cd page and one in debian-installer page.. so are they different or not? |
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| 03:08.05 | Gnurdux | shingouz? |
| 03:08.07 | Bac9 | Gnurdux: no floor is ripped from uner feet, in linux a file is only deleted when the last reference is erased, this may or may not be when you ask the file to be deleted, so untill dpkg is done it is still using the original glibc |
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| 03:08.16 | Gnurdux | oh i see cool |
| 03:08.21 | Kerpal2_ | geez/.. |
| 03:08.27 | pipeline | Gnurdux: Actually, a file isn't deleted until the last program using it closes. |
| 03:08.35 | Gnurdux | i get it cool |
| 03:08.37 | Kerpal2_ | okay i have this remote box.. i could rsync up a f.s. but i feel like that is lame. |
| 03:08.37 | ahmad | green_earz: i'm not sure which one to use, haven't downloaded anything yet |
| 03:08.45 | Gnurdux | what about the configuration file issue |
| 03:08.46 | linuxman153 | Can somebody here explain to me the difference between a MTA and a Mail Server? |
| 03:08.47 | Bac9 | pipeline: isn't that what I've said? |
| 03:08.51 | Kerpal2_ | anyone know what list of debs i would need to have a base f.s. |
| 03:09.02 | pipeline | Bac9: I took "references" to mean references. |
| 03:09.03 | linoleum | Bac9: ok , I have enter localhost , it's working, but it ask me a password for my user ... is it about my user on my computer? |
| 03:09.05 | pepina | pipeline, that means you can still get the file ? |
| 03:09.05 | Kerpal2_ | or is there an iso or tar.gz of a base installation of linux? |
| 03:09.11 | thomas_adam | Kerpal2_: There is. |
| 03:09.12 | pipeline | pepina: ? |
| 03:09.13 | Gnurdux | for non-debconfed packages, how does it handle configuration file changes between versions in upgrades? |
| 03:09.25 | green_earz | ahmad: for the cd jigdo iso http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/ |
| 03:09.31 | pipeline | Gnurdux: It prompts you whether to replace the configuration or not. |
| 03:09.37 | Gnurdux | ooh cool |
| 03:09.48 | pepina | you can still the deleted file before the last programing using it closes ? |
| 03:09.48 | resiak | linoleum: Yes, it is. |
| 03:09.50 | pipeline | Gnurdux: There's also some kind of diff option to view the differences between the old and new version. |
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| 03:09.54 | pipeline | pepina: Yes, sort of. |
| 03:10.06 | Bac9 | Gnurdux: this is exactly the problem why in microsoft windows you need a reboot after replacing any system dlls, because there a file is either deleted when asked or delete fails with "file busy", so to actually release the original copy you must reboot the OS |
| 03:10.10 | pipeline | pepina: The program that has it open can still use it. Other programs may or may not be able to. |
| 03:10.20 | pepina | ok I get it , thanks |
| 03:10.23 | pipeline | pepina: If another program knows the right inode number, it can |
| 03:10.30 | pipeline | pepina: But the filename will disappear the moment it's deleted. |
| 03:10.36 | pepina | aha |
| 03:11.18 | karsten | Any good place here to talk about firewall rules? |
| 03:11.19 | ahmad | green_earz: this is where you get if you looked at the jigdo-cd page (http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/), but if you look in debian-installer page (http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer) you will get here: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/rc3/i386/ |
| 03:11.21 | linoleum | I dont understand : I am linoleum , on the computer punkCPU . I got a password for this user . but I enter the same password to chec the mail on my imap server (the same computer), and it doen't work :( |
| 03:11.31 | Bac9 | karsten: what do you need? |
| 03:11.43 | karsten | Bac9: Block a given ASN. |
| 03:11.57 | Bac9 | karsten: "asn"? |
| 03:12.06 | karsten | Bac9: I can get CIDRs for the ASN from cidr-report.org, but these need to be updated frequently. |
| 03:12.18 | ahmad | green_earz: so my question is: is there any difference between those two? if so then what is the difference?? |
| 03:12.30 | Bac9 | linoleum: check the logs, maybe the imap server isn't authenticating you properly |
| 03:12.54 | Bac9 | karsten: sorry donno those acronyms and am too lazy to look 'em up |
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| 03:13.08 | karsten | Bac9: ASN == autononmous system number. |
| 03:13.10 | boukensya | hey guys.. how do I create an m3u? |
| 03:13.15 | karsten | Bac9: Looks as if you can get it from the RIRs. |
| 03:13.55 | Bac9 | karsten: well as I've not heard of those terms I am not the person to answer your question |
| 03:14.39 | karsten | Bac9: I know. I'm teaching you now ;-) |
| 03:14.58 | Bac9 | karsten: then please do continue, what is an RIR? |
| 03:14.58 | karsten | Bac9: RIR == regional internet registry. APNIC, RIPE, ARIN, LACNIC. |
| 03:15.00 | slocate | hi, how do set anacron to email the output? |
| 03:15.21 | karsten | Bac9: ...they're the folks who assign IP blocks to the folks who administer them. |
| 03:15.24 | Bac9 | karsten: I'm guessing we are not talking about tcpip firewalls? |
| 03:15.40 | karsten | Bac9: We are. But we're talking about high-level data aggregation. |
| 03:15.52 | slocate | i have set on here but i must've done it a long time ago, can't remember how i did it |
| 03:15.56 | Bac9 | karsten: then would a netmask aproach help? |
| 03:16.07 | karsten | Bac9: google 'spam by asn'. You'll find my stuff. Turns out there are some pretty localized regions which are the source of a lot of abuse. |
| 03:16.12 | ahmad | green_earz: any idea?? |
| 03:16.28 | karsten | Bac9: You detect abuse on your site. You do an IP=>CIDR lookup and an IP=>ASN lookup. |
| 03:16.32 | Bac9 | karsten: so block the entire ip block and be done with it? |
| 03:16.38 | karsten | Bac9: Right. |
| 03:16.47 | Bac9 | karsten: so what's the problem then? |
| 03:17.02 | karsten | Bac9: The advantage is that you're not arbitrarially blocking traffic from some span of multiple organizations. |
| 03:17.06 | karsten | Bac9: ...there's a single organization. |
| 03:17.10 | karsten | Bac9: The problem is this. |
| 03:17.10 | Bac9 | karsten: if you can do the lookups and find out the subnet then just block it |
| 03:17.12 | karsten | Bac9: Change. |
| 03:17.36 | Bac9 | karsten: change what? |
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| 03:17.46 | karsten | Bac9: wget ftp://ftp.apnic.net:/pub/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-latest |
| 03:17.52 | karsten | Bac9: ...that's the answer to my question. |
| 03:17.54 | digitalbit | Help on samba! mount -t smbfs ... defaults,iocharset=ISO8859-1,codepage=860 ! can not make the chars right ... modprobing nls_cp860 (portuguese) ... any ideas ??? |
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| 03:18.08 | compucentro | hola |
| 03:18.14 | karsten | Bac9: Things change. There are new block assignments daily. |
| 03:18.21 | karsten | Bac9: ...so you need to keep up with the jonses. |
| 03:18.24 | compucentro | debian en spanish????????? |
| 03:18.28 | Bac9 | karsten: cron? |
| 03:18.28 | karsten | Bac9: s/jonses/joneses |
| 03:18.29 | karsten | !es |
| 03:18.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:18.33 | karsten | Bac9: Sure. |
| 03:18.39 | karsten | Bac9: But you need the information source. |
| 03:18.53 | Bac9 | karsten: I thought you said you had that |
| 03:19.02 | karsten | Bac9: I do now. |
| 03:19.12 | Bac9 | karsten: congradulations |
| 03:19.39 | karsten | Bac9: The idea is that rather than randomly swotting IP blocks, or arbitrarially blocking whole classes of (largely unrelated) blocks, you find out who's responsible. |
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| 03:19.51 | ahmad | guys, anyone knows what is the difference between the jigdo images found in the jigdo-cd page (http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/) and the ones found in the debian-installer page (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer)??? |
| 03:19.57 | karsten | Bac9: ...then you hound them by continuously updating your firewall rules with _their_ specific delegations. |
| 03:20.04 | karsten | Bac9: ...which you get from the RIRs. |
| 03:20.09 | pipeline | ahmad: Just get the "netinst" disc on the debian-installer page and don't worry about it. |
| 03:20.50 | ahmad | pipeline: i need to make iso images |
| 03:20.50 | ahmad | pipeline: with debian-installer |
| 03:20.50 | karsten | ahmad: man mkisofs |
| 03:21.00 | Bac9 | karsten: yeah I kinda understand... so you're planing to use that list/site to grep for users and block their ranges? |
| 03:21.08 | slocate | does anybody else get the output from anacron email to them or root? |
| 03:21.23 | karsten | Bac9: No. Use this to periodically update IPTables rulesets. |
| 03:21.30 | ahmad | karsten: what do i need mkisofs for?? i need debian installation CDs |
| 03:21.36 | karsten | Bac9: ...the idea being to automate the process on the basis of a known set of abusive ASNs. |
| 03:21.42 | karsten | ahmad: NM. |
| 03:22.01 | karsten | Bac9: We already know who the abusive users are. Playing whackamole with them is getting old. |
| 03:22.07 | Bac9 | karsten: so basically you're using the list to get the precice subnet size? |
| 03:22.12 | pipeline | ahmad: You want the netinst image on the debian-installer page |
| 03:22.12 | karsten | Bac9: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/SpamByASN (background info) |
| 03:22.15 | karsten | Bac9: Yes. |
| 03:22.17 | pipeline | ahmad: It's an ISO. |
| 03:22.28 | pipeline | ahmad: If you want CD's with packages on them, yes, you probably want jigdo. |
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| 03:22.39 | solarce | I am attempting to get Apache2 and PHP4 to work together, I've installed both from Debian Unstable, however it appears as though the package isn't adding the proper configuration bits to the apache2.conf file or in the mods-available directory :/ |
| 03:22.51 | Bac9 | karsten: good luck... it all depends how big a cluebat you plan to play wack-a-mole with :-) |
| 03:23.05 | Bac9 | karsten: just look at latest MS news |
| 03:23.17 | ahmad | pipeline: i know i want jigdo, but found two places to get the ISOs using jigdo: one from the jigdo-cd page and one from the debian-installer page |
| 03:23.21 | pipeline | ahmad: cdimage.debian.org is slow, and the round-robin mirrors that jigdo uses are fast. |
| 03:23.29 | karsten | Bac9: As that page I just pointed you to shows, roughly 25% of all abuse is sourced to the top 3-5 ASNs. |
| 03:23.38 | karsten | Bac9: As a good first rough cut, it's highly effective. |
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| 03:23.45 | pipeline | ahmad: So if you're just getting the netinst disc (which just has the installer and just enough stuff to get debian going on it) you might as well just download it |
| 03:23.53 | pipeline | ahmad: If you want full CD's, you probably need to use jigdo. |
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| 03:24.48 | ahmad | pipeline: what i want is full images. i want to use jigdo. i want the ISO images to have debian-installer as the installer. |
| 03:24.56 | Bac9 | karsten: highly effective maybe, but might be a bit overkill, I wouldn't want to share the same asn as a spammer (yes I have my own mail server and yes I prefer for the mail from it to get through) |
| 03:24.58 | k3k0 | how i can install xfce ? apt-get instal x-window-system xfce ? |
| 03:25.05 | pipeline | ahmad: Oh, then use the links on the debian-installer page, if they have jigdo links |
| 03:25.29 | pipeline | ahmad: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/rc3/ is what you want, I think |
| 03:25.30 | karsten | Bac9: We're talking *grossly* abusive. No abuse response. I've got the data to back me up. |
| 03:25.39 | chealer | k3k0: you probably just need x-window-system-core, but that should work |
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| 03:25.43 | ahmad | pipeline: my question is: is there a difference between those in debian-installer page and the other ones?? |
| 03:25.45 | karsten | !tell k3k0 about install x |
| 03:25.54 | pipeline | ahmad: Probably |
| 03:25.58 | k3k0 | chealer: yeah |
| 03:26.05 | pipeline | ahmad: I expect the other ones use the old-style installer |
| 03:26.08 | k3k0 | karsten: i know how to install x :) |
| 03:26.09 | karsten | k3k0: apt-cache search xfcr4 |
| 03:26.13 | karsten | k3k0: OK. |
| 03:26.26 | k3k0 | karsten: i want install xfce desktop |
| 03:26.39 | Bac9 | karsten: a group of individuals can be grosly abusive from any one single subnet, but if a totally unrelated user shares that subnet then they are sol as far as sending e-mail |
| 03:26.49 | ahmad | pipeline: if you go to the url you just mentioned and went one level up you will find the jigdo-area directory which is pointed to in the jigdo-cd page |
| 03:27.01 | Bac9 | karsten: good from a "quick fix" perspective, bad from the "little guy" perspective |
| 03:27.09 | pipeline | ahmad: I don't look at the jigdo cd page very often. |
| 03:27.16 | karsten | Bac9: See above. KORnet is *15%* of all spam. And simply doesn't give a fuck. |
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| 03:27.33 | karsten | Bac9: Good from a "if the world catches a clue, the ASN will die" perspective. |
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| 03:27.51 | karsten | Bac9: There's 24,000+ ASNs. Why should _one_ be 15% of the problem? |
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| 03:28.19 | k3k0 | karsten: apt-get install x-window-system-core xfce4 `? |
| 03:28.35 | Bac9 | karsten: I am not arguing for or against as I've been on both sides (quick fix and little guy) |
| 03:28.37 | karsten | k3k0: Something like that. |
| 03:29.13 | karsten | Bac9: It sucks to be the little guy. But if your ISP are shitting on the world, you're going to suffer. Buy connectivity elsewhere or rally for change. |
| 03:29.25 | karsten | Bac9: I believe in feedback systems with working feedback. |
| 03:29.36 | sapi^terbang | anybody know has kde 3.4 package for debian been released? |
| 03:29.40 | karsten | Bac9: The really nice thing about the ASN route is that it _does_ target the responsible organization. |
| 03:29.43 | Bac9 | karsten: I have no strong case for either side |
| 03:29.57 | Bac9 | karsten: organization != users |
| 03:29.57 | karsten | Bac9: I've got hard data for my side. kthx. |
| 03:30.01 | shingouz | sapi^terbang: /topic |
| 03:30.17 | karsten | Bac9: clue != you |
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| 03:30.31 | k3k0 | karsten: are you not sure ? |
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| 03:30.34 | Bac9 | karsten: now automarking as spam from the ASNs but still alowing through and let your users deside, that I can understand |
| 03:30.52 | Bac9 | karsten: true I am not a clue |
| 03:30.58 | karsten | k3k0: are you unable to run apt-cache search foo? |
| 03:31.02 | solarce | I'm getting the lovely issue where apache opts to offer to download a .php file instead of loading, now I do have the proper AddType directive and apache knows to load index.php as a DirectoryIndex file |
| 03:31.24 | karsten | k3k0: FYI, I haven't memorized package descriptions for 17,000+ Debian packages. I know there are multiple XFCE4 packages. Fucking look for them. |
| 03:31.24 | buu | solarce: It's a feature. |
| 03:31.29 | ahmad | pipeline: check this out: i downloaded the .jigdo files of both pages and zdiff'ed them: they are identical!!! |
| 03:31.40 | k3k0 | karsten: :) |
| 03:31.44 | solarce | buu: how can I opt for the feature where it processes the file? :) |
| 03:31.52 | buu | solarce: Pssh, php wasn't made for processing files. |
| 03:31.53 | karsten | Bac9: Depends on the magnitude of the problem. Look at the URL provided. Then talk with some level of intelligence. |
| 03:31.57 | buu | solarce: You'll break it! |
| 03:32.00 | solarce | buu: you know what I mean :) |
| 03:32.13 | k3k0 | karsten: i just was interested if you have experiences.. i want clean and good installation |
| 03:32.14 | buu | solarce: Yeah, but I'd rather mock php |
| 03:32.18 | Bac9 | karsten: I can only read so fast (only read first page full) |
| 03:32.23 | solarce | buu: any constructive advice? |
| 03:32.32 | karsten | k3k0: I have XFCE4. I did what I'm telling you to do. |
| 03:32.38 | buu | solarce: Not really, no |
| 03:32.49 | karsten | Bac9: There's pretty pictures. Scroll for graphs. |
| 03:32.50 | k3k0 | karsten: how you installed that `? |
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| 03:33.00 | karsten | k3k0: Find someone else to bug. |
| 03:33.04 | pipeline | ahmad: So...? |
| 03:33.13 | Bac9 | karsten: I prefer to read the content first |
| 03:33.22 | travisat_ | How do you change console fonts |
| 03:33.24 | k3k0 | karsten: fug oxff |
| 03:33.33 | ahmad | pipeline: so there is no difference between the two, and both use debian-installer |
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| 03:33.36 | karsten | k3k0: You're not helping yourself. |
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| 03:33.49 | karsten | !tell k3k0 about clues for the cluefull |
| 03:33.50 | ahmad | pipeline: just to let you know |
| 03:33.54 | linoleum | how can I reconfigure exim4 ??? I try dpkg-reconfigure exim4 but it's not woriking ? |
| 03:33.55 | karsten | !tell k3k0 about clues for the clueful |
| 03:34.36 | k3k0 | karsten: dont fucking tell me nothink!!! |
| 03:35.23 | buu | dpkg: clues for the clueful |
| 03:35.23 | dpkg | it has been said that clues for the clueful is well, I'm not God. I'm a helpful bloke with Debian experience. I provide clues for the clueful. Brains for the brainless are far beyond my meager powers. |
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| 03:35.55 | nichos | Can anyone point me to some documention to remote into my X-windows desktop from other machines? Not a new session, but the current session |
| 03:35.59 | k3k0 | 05:35 Ignoring ALL from karsten |
| 03:36.14 | karsten | nichos: can't be done easily. |
| 03:36.22 | pipeline | k3k0: He's already ignoring you, so I don't know what you stand to gain there, bud. |
| 03:36.25 | karsten | nichos: There's a vcn server that uses your existing X session |
| 03:36.39 | karsten | !ops k3k0 abusive |
| 03:36.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: k3k0 abusive |
| 03:37.09 | nichos | karsten where should i start? |
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| 03:37.27 | karsten | nichos: Google's a good start. |
| 03:37.35 | k3k0 | nichos: do you want connect remote desktop ? |
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| 03:37.37 | pipeline | nichos: "synergy" and "xmove" are worth looking at. |
| 03:38.00 | nichos | k3k0 i want to connect TO my linux desktop, from other os's |
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| 03:38.15 | k3k0 | nichos: use VNC |
| 03:38.30 | karsten | nichos: x11vnc |
| 03:38.53 | nichos | ok, thanks guys, ill check that stuff out |
| 03:38.58 | sapi^terbang | shingouz: ooww i'm sorry ..i don't read the topic :) |
| 03:39.00 | karsten | nichos: apt-cache search vnc |
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| 03:39.17 | shingouz | sapi^terbang: :) |
| 03:39.46 | k3k0 | !tell nichos vnc |
| 03:40.10 | nichos | bot said nothing |
| 03:40.37 | nichos | i yahoo'd for it though, thanks anyway |
| 03:40.38 | chealer | !tell nichos about vnc |
| 03:40.45 | nichos | there ya go |
| 03:40.59 | k3k0 | :-= |
| 03:41.02 | k3k0 | = |
| 03:41.03 | k3k0 | ) |
| 03:41.07 | k3k0 | :D |
| 03:41.52 | k3k0 | i think i need cofee!! :) |
| 03:43.24 | travisat | How do you change console fonts |
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| 03:43.50 | k3k0 | nichos: ;) |
| 03:44.17 | chealer | I thought coffee made you more even more agressive |
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| 03:44.58 | k3k0 | chealer: im no agressive :) |
| 03:45.16 | chealer | fine |
| 03:45.21 | travisat | bummer |
| 03:45.39 | jbentleyp | helo |
| 03:46.09 | chealer | wah |
| 03:46.17 | chealer | goodbye everyone |
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| 03:46.23 | stew | jbentleyp: 250 OK |
| 03:46.29 | jbentleyp | bye chealer |
| 03:46.33 | chealer | we could go to...pdpc? |
| 03:46.39 | chealer | jbentleyp: check lilo's msg |
| 03:46.48 | k3k0 | chealer: papaa _o/ |
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| 03:46.58 | chealer | hehe pdpc IS freenode |
| 03:47.03 | chealer | there's irc.oftc.net |
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| 03:47.12 | jbentleyp | chealer: I see it |
| 03:47.20 | chealer | irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian |
| 03:47.31 | chealer | jbentleyp: ok sorry |
| 03:47.32 | tomb0y | nice broken link :) |
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| 03:47.47 | jbentleyp | chealer: what does she mean ? |
| 03:47.51 | chealer | tomb0y: yeah...just a try, this stuff doesn't actually work for me :) |
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| 03:48.35 | chealer | jbentleyp: it's not she. he says freenode is shutting down for 3 days in under 5 minutes (22:50) GMT-5 |
| 03:49.01 | Cyanophytes | apt-get keeps giving me errors from when I was installing and my box locked up how can I clear the previouse info |
| 03:49.11 | jbentleyp | chealer: I guess we will know for sure shortly |
| 03:49.16 | kobs | april fools |
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| 03:49.20 | stew | chealer: check the date UTC |
| 03:49.29 | chealer | kobs: #debian-kde figured out sooner ;) |
| 03:49.33 | kobs | hah |
| 03:49.45 | kaplanfx | uh |
| 03:49.48 | kaplanfx | ps: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libproc-3.2.5.so: cannot read file data: Input/output error |
| 03:49.54 | kaplanfx | isn't that bad? |
| 03:49.55 | travisat | hahahahahahahahhahaha |
| 03:49.57 | tomb0y | lmao |
| 03:49.58 | kaplanfx | I get it with proc too |
| 03:50.16 | kaplanfx | er top |
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| 03:50.38 | chealer | lilo's trying to get people to donate to freenode |
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| 03:51.14 | jbentleyp | lilo has a funny way of asking |
| 03:51.28 | kaplanfx | kapbox:/home/kaplanfx# ld -lproc-3.2.5 |
| 03:51.28 | kaplanfx | /lib/libproc-3.2.5.so: file not recognized: Input/output error |
| 03:51.34 | kaplanfx | that is not good :( |
| 03:51.41 | zignig | jbentleyp: its the homelandsecurity special method. |
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| 03:52.14 | skel_home | freenode been hacked? |
| 03:52.24 | tomb0y | lmao |
| 03:52.46 | stew | skel_home: sarge got released and freenode just upgraded its servers |
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| 03:52.51 | tomb0y | date |
| 03:52.59 | chealer | that's a strange april fool if not...redirecting to random site? |
| 03:53.06 | jbentleyp | interesting |
| 03:53.08 | skel_home | or am I the only one getting redirected to yahoo stores when trying to go to the http://freenode.net/news.shtml |
| 03:53.25 | jbentleyp | its not April yet. |
| 03:53.25 | chealer | yahoo, acronymfinder, everything it seems |
| 03:53.32 | skel_home | damnit it's not april here yet |
| 03:53.33 | shingouz | chealer: hardly reandom, i got redirected to sco.com :( |
| 03:53.35 | skel_home | bag |
| 03:53.37 | skel_home | *bah |
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| 03:53.50 | chealer | shingouz: haha. I got redirected to the definition of RTFM |
| 03:54.02 | tomb0y | kim possible for me :/ |
| 03:54.06 | shingouz | chealer: :) |
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| 03:54.12 | Cyanophytes | After apt-get froze on my I tried to use it again and it gives me a bunch of errors and tries to continue can I stop it from doing this? |
| 03:54.27 | jbentleyp | I got redirected to Columbia SC |
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| 03:54.46 | jbentleyp | try apt-get update |
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| 03:54.59 | chealer | jbentleyp: well, there's only one moment to make an april fools joke good for everyone ; noon at UTC |
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| 03:55.26 | felipe_ | Have you guys experiencied any bugs on FIREFOX???? |
| 03:55.40 | jbentleyp | chealer: what bout the folks in China |
| 03:55.40 | chealer | felipe_: yes, of course |
| 03:55.48 | felipe_ | chealer really? |
| 03:56.00 | chealer | jbentleyp: oh you mean different calendar |
| 03:56.08 | shingouz | someone hand lilo a fish |
| 03:56.17 | felipe_ | firefox keeps freezing and crashing here |
| 03:56.18 | chealer | felipe_: there are bugs in any piece of software as huge as firefox |
| 03:56.25 | chealer | felipe_: check the BTS |
| 03:56.28 | cartel_ | hey guys |
| 03:56.32 | jbentleyp | felips: I've got to update libs before i can load |
| 03:56.35 | MobyTurbo | felipe_: it works fine here |
| 03:56.36 | chealer | felipe_: and check your extenstions |
| 03:56.36 | karsten | !tell Cyanophytes about smart questions |
| 03:56.44 | karsten | Cyanophytes: What errors/ |
| 03:56.47 | jbentleyp | still using older mozilla |
| 03:56.49 | cartel_ | when dealing with an apt repository through a proxy, what is a way i can say download the latest copy of packages not the cached copy?? |
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| 03:57.02 | felipe_ | chealer BTS? |
| 03:57.07 | chealer | !bts |
| 03:57.07 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:57.17 | karsten | cartel_: AFAIK you have to set the proxy timeout really low, or bypass the proxy. |
| 03:57.30 | karsten | cartel_: apt-proxy? or a www proxy? |
| 03:57.30 | felipe_ | chealer which extensions? |
| 03:57.31 | cartel_ | that sux |
| 03:57.39 | cartel_ | karsten: squid |
| 03:57.54 | chealer | felipe_: any. java, macromedia flash, etc. |
| 03:57.55 | karsten | cartel_: Um. How do you know you're not getting the latest version? |
| 03:57.59 | cartel_ | karsten: apt needs --cache=off |
| 03:58.08 | cartel_ | karsten: because i own the web server it is on |
| 03:58.11 | karsten | cartel_: unset www_proxy. |
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| 03:58.19 | cartel_ | karsten: its transparent |
| 03:58.21 | felipe_ | chealer hmmm ok! |
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| 03:58.31 | karsten | cartel_: Squid shouldn't cache data that's been changed. |
| 03:58.37 | calin | at pineapple the god and goat herder cheese floats |
| 03:58.39 | cartel_ | karsten: it does |
| 03:58.45 | karsten | cartel_: ...and proxy=off won't turn off your transparent proxy. |
| 03:58.54 | cartel_ | anyway i directly wgetted the deb |
| 03:59.02 | jbentleyp | why is my browser not reading php scripts if my package editor show php4 installed ? |
| 03:59.07 | cartel_ | karsten: it specifies nocache when doing the get request |
| 03:59.11 | karsten | cartel_: ...even if it existed. And if squid's doing that, then there's something borken somewhere. Did you apt-get update? |
| 03:59.18 | Cyanophytes | karsten: ldconfig: Input file /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0 not found. |
| 03:59.18 | Cyanophytes | ldconfig: Cannot mmap file /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2. |
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| 03:59.30 | karsten | Cyanophytes: That's a problem. |
| 03:59.31 | cartel_ | karsten: yeah, it retreives the same packages file over and over |
| 03:59.34 | Cyanophytes | I get those errors and it locks |
| 03:59.36 | hdo781 | What does RTFM stand for? |
| 03:59.44 | felipe_ | chealer Ive noticed that I have mozilla, mozilla-firefox and mozilla-firebird folders on /user/lib even though I've never installed mozilla itself nor mozilla-firebird, and all folders has a plugin folder w/ flash on it |
| 03:59.47 | usynic | ride the fat monkey |
| 03:59.49 | chealer | !tell hdo781 about rtfm |
| 04:00.00 | karsten | Cyanophytes: That's not an apt-specific problem, you've got borked libs. Sec. |
| 04:00.06 | vitriol | anybody know of any good how-to's for setting up wep on debian? |
| 04:00.12 | vitriol | anything i can find remotely useful is old |
| 04:00.20 | Cyanophytes | karsten: Can I stop it from trying to install that package when I run it again |
| 04:00.23 | vitriol | out of date.... |
| 04:00.24 | stew | vitriol: man iwconfig ; man 5 interfaces |
| 04:00.24 | karsten | Cyanophytes: 'dpkg -S /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2' |
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| 04:00.33 | karsten | Cyanophytes: You need to get that lib reinstalled. |
| 04:00.39 | vitriol | Stereo, thanks i'll read that |
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| 04:00.52 | cartel_ | anyway, fixed with wget |
| 04:01.07 | karsten | Cyanophytes: Does the file and/or link it points to exist? /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2 or /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0 ? |
| 04:01.46 | stew | vitriol: read the first, look for key; then read the second and see how to make that permanant in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:01.54 | karsten | Cyanophytes: does /var/cache/apt/archives/libvt2.0*.deb exist? |
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| 04:02.29 | karsten | Cyanophytes: Basically what's happened is a library install got messed up, you need to make sure the file's there, link to an alternate lib, or reinstall the package. |
| 04:02.31 | chealer | felipe_: you mean libmozswfdec.so? |
| 04:02.59 | felipe_ | chealer libflashplayer.so |
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| 04:03.19 | felipe_ | chealer libflashplayer.so libflash-mozplugin.so flashplayer.xpt |
| 04:03.24 | chealer | felipe_: you must have installed macromedia flash |
| 04:03.29 | kbrooks | [ANN] NEW distro based on Debian. A distribution which plans to revolutnize its switch from Gentoo to Debian has APPEARED mysteriously |
| 04:03.33 | felipe_ | chealer I have indeed |
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| 04:03.54 | felipe_ | chealer should I unintall it as well? |
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| 04:04.24 | chealer | felipe_: if you want to try to debug firefox, yes |
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| 04:04.36 | felipe_ | chealer ok! thx |
| 04:04.46 | chealer | felipe_: everything in those folders, actually |
| 04:05.14 | chealer | felipe_: I mean move everything in the plugin folder somewhere else for your tests |
| 04:05.17 | vitriol | stew, much appreciated thank you :) |
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| 04:06.09 | felipe_ | chealer hmmm ok!! Will try that!! Thx for everyhing |
| 04:06.22 | chealer | felipe_: no problem |
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| 04:06.59 | stew | vitriol: you're welcome |
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| 04:08.22 | chealer | freenode's fundraiser isn't going so well |
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| 04:10.12 | jbentleyp | why is my browser not reading php scripts if my package editor show php4 installed ? |
| 04:10.31 | bob2` | jbentleyp: because you didn't configure your webs erver to use it |
| 04:10.31 | Strife | probably because you need to make sure Apache is setup properly |
| 04:10.35 | debian-san | I would like to restrict outbound mail from a debian server to a few determined e-mail addresses. I guess I have to install a filter application on the smarthost or something like that. Anyone would have suggestions of application to use? |
| 04:10.43 | bob2` | and if you're using apache2, that's not even the right package |
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| 04:11.28 | zignig | debian-san: exim will do that with ACLs |
| 04:11.36 | jbentleyp | the package is whatever came with the latest libranet release |
| 04:12.23 | Strife | anyone know offhand which package zlib.h is in? would it be zlib1g-dev? |
| 04:12.47 | bob2` | jbentleyp: then #libranet, since it's not a Debian problem |
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| 04:12.50 | bob2` | Strife: yes |
| 04:12.55 | Strife | cool, thanks |
| 04:13.04 | jbentleyp | sorry |
| 04:13.07 | bob2` | Strife: packages.debian.org will let you find what package contains a file |
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| 04:13.17 | jbentleyp | its a debian derivative |
| 04:13.19 | bob2` | jbentleyp: if you were on Debian, you'd have to read /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian |
| 04:13.28 | bob2` | or if it was apache2, install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 04:13.37 | Strife | bob2`: oh really? I wasn't aware that the search feature had that capability... thanks |
| 04:14.20 | bob2` | oh god, slashdot is so stupid |
| 04:14.29 | jbentleyp | thanks bob2 |
| 04:14.38 | bob2` | someone should DDOS their servers offline every april 1st so they can't embarrass themselves |
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| 04:18.18 | simonrvn | bob2`: heh |
| 04:19.00 | Cyanophytes | karsten: It seems to be a problem with libzvt2 - The GNOME zvt (zterm) widget. But dpkg won't let me reconfigure it. |
| 04:19.13 | karsten | Cyanophytes: No, you need to reinstall it. |
| 04:19.47 | Cyanophytes | karsten: is there a param to reinstall it? |
| 04:20.08 | simonrvn | g-t is a pos |
| 04:20.33 | karsten | Cyanophytes: dpkg -i install --reinstall <package file> |
| 04:21.00 | simonrvn | um |
| 04:21.17 | karsten | Cyanophytes: ...where <package file> is /var/cache/apt/archives/<package>*.deb |
| 04:21.32 | karsten | Cyanophytes: Try that. |
| 04:21.53 | karsten | Cyanophytes: Does /var/cache/apt/archives/libzvt2.*.deb exist? |
| 04:23.03 | Cyanophytes | no |
| 04:23.14 | Cyanophytes | I get dpkg: error processing install (--install): |
| 04:23.14 | Cyanophytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.36 | karsten | Cyanophytes: Look for it in the directory. |
| 04:23.44 | karsten | Cyanophytes: If you can't find it, download via packages.debian.org |
| 04:25.53 | Seb | karsten: wouldn't apt-get install --reinstall libzvt2 be a better option ? |
| 04:26.16 | karsten | Seb: Yeah, except he seems to be getting ldso errors. |
| 04:26.21 | karsten | Seb: ...but let's try it. |
| 04:26.22 | karsten | Cyanophytes: ^^ |
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| 04:27.13 | simonrvn | so run /lib/ld.so.1 /usr/bin/apt-get foo |
| 04:27.17 | Strife | this is probably a dumb question, but if I install a package with dpkg -i, how can I uninstall it? |
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| 04:27.26 | Seb | Strife: apt-get remove |
| 04:27.34 | simonrvn | Strife: man dpkg |
| 04:27.35 | karsten | Strife: dpkg, aptitude, apt-get, synaptic, dselect.... |
| 04:27.36 | Seb | Strife: that was like 65% dumb ;) |
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| 04:28.17 | Strife | ok, well to make it slightly less dumb, I can't seem to figure out what the package name is.... it was a custom built kernel with the filename kernel-image-2.6.11.6_10.00.Custom_i386.debkernel-image-2.6.11.6_10.00.Custom_i386.debkernel-image-2.6.11.6_10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
| 04:28.22 | Strife | arg |
| 04:28.24 | Strife | sorry about that |
| 04:28.55 | simonrvn | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l kernel-image\* |
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| 04:29.48 | Strife | sheesh... thanks for addressing my nub question |
| 04:29.58 | Seb | or with the programmable completion, apt-get remove kernel-image<Tab> ;) |
| 04:30.08 | simonrvn | zsh > * |
| 04:30.33 | Seb | simonrvn: indeed, but I think bash has that too now, and I didn't want to make free advertisement :> |
| 04:30.54 | simonrvn | bah, bash's is slow, and doesn't work on everything |
| 04:31.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:31.11 | Seb | simonrvn: you're preaching to a convert ;) |
| 04:31.16 | mtnman | strife: man dpkg and look for --remove or --purge |
| 04:31.17 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 04:31.25 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:31.56 | nvz | I heard lilo was pulling April Fools pranks |
| 04:32.07 | simonrvn | he was |
| 04:32.09 | nvz | I must've missed it |
| 04:32.11 | karsten | nvz: Quite. |
| 04:32.42 | nvz | a friend of mine, said "some chick" sent him a message saying the network was going down for a few months |
| 04:32.46 | Seb | -lilo- [Global Notice] Good morning to all. URGENT NEWS ITEM on the website. THE SERVERS WILL BE SHUTTING DOWN IN FIVE MINUTES AND WILL BE |
| 04:32.50 | Seb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.51 | Seb | that ? :) |
| 04:32.52 | karsten | nvz: "THE SERVERS WILL BE SHUTTING DOWN IN FIVE MINUTES AND WILL BE DOWN FOR THE NEXT THREE DAYS. |
| 04:32.57 | Seb | heheheh |
| 04:33.44 | Seb | they can usually embarass themselves pretty good :> |
| 04:33.50 | buu | Seb: And the 3000 posts complaining about it? |
| 04:33.59 | simonrvn | 30 000 |
| 04:34.10 | nvz | hell I still believe google will be setting up a base on the moon |
| 04:34.12 | kaplanfx | anyone see the GNU joke? HURD/L4 1.0-stable released |
| 04:34.16 | buu | kaplanfx: =] |
| 04:34.20 | nvz | I think that was their april fools joke last year |
| 04:34.29 | nvz | sounds good to me :) |
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| 04:34.32 | kaplanfx | nvz: all the more funny |
| 04:34.32 | Seb | nvz: this one is actually reusable every year |
| 04:34.33 | paw | question: what's are some alternatives to openca? |
| 04:34.40 | zinx | Seb: forever ;) |
| 04:34.41 | kaplanfx | DUKE NUKEM FOREVER released |
| 04:34.41 | fooz | Seb, haha |
| 04:34.51 | fooz | kaplanfx, that's just not even funny *slap* |
| 04:34.51 | zinx | kaplanfx: yes! |
| 04:35.02 | kaplanfx | im starting to think the name is a joke too |
| 04:35.05 | nevyn | lol |
| 04:35.10 | nevyn | even better... |
| 04:35.11 | _gentgeen_ | does anyone know of a "batch conversion" way to change a directory full of .sxw (OO.o Write files) into PDFs? |
| 04:35.12 | buu | Seb: Heh. Slashdot aggregates news, people create fake news, slashdot aggregates them, people whine |
| 04:35.13 | nevyn | Sarge released |
| 04:35.17 | kaplanfx | forever = how long you have to wait until its released |
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| 04:35.43 | Seb | nevyn: don't go there... |
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| 04:35.59 | nevyn | Seb: ;) |
| 04:36.01 | buu | _gentgeen_: for i in *.sxw; mv $i $i.pdf; done; ! |
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| 04:36.25 | Seb | buu: dude, he means actually converting them |
| 04:36.30 | buu | Seb: Pssh |
| 04:36.32 | b-_-d | I need my outgoing email to use a non-standard port becouse my ISP sucks. Can someone give me a quote. NO M$ servers! |
| 04:36.34 | _gentgeen_ | buu, but that will not convert into PDF format will it |
| 04:36.44 | buu | Seb: I changed the extension, that means it's converted! The file extension is everything! |
| 04:37.11 | Seb | heh |
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| 04:37.31 | _gentgeen_ | buu, I may be using a windows machine right now, that does not mean I don't know how things work |
| 04:37.36 | Seb | _gentgeen_: i'm not sure there's a batch way to do it :\ |
| 04:37.53 | _gentgeen_ | Seb, thanks :-) |
| 04:38.23 | sussudio | !bugger b-_-d |
| 04:39.08 | b-_-d | dpkg sorry man my ISP just sucks |
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| 04:40.03 | b-_-d | sorry sussudio |
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| 04:40.49 | b-_-d | Sorry I asked for help |
| 04:41.02 | sussudio | you didn't ask for help |
| 04:41.10 | sussudio | you're not even using debian |
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| 04:41.48 | shadow98 | hey guys i need help setting static ip...i set it up in /etc/network/interfaces and then did ifdown and ifup and it has been working for about an hour...then i left for a while and it swtiched back to the dhcp address here is the link to my config for interfaces. http://www.pastebin.com/265522 |
| 04:42.47 | b-_-d | sussudio I am trying debian on a box now. I just do not know if I want to drop gentoo on this box or not yet |
| 04:42.50 | shadow98 | is there anything im doing wrong |
| 04:43.02 | b-_-d | sussudio do not shoot me |
| 04:43.05 | mwilson | shadow98: What makes you think it "switched" to another address? |
| 04:43.22 | shadow98 | i just did ifconfig and its the a dhcp address 10.30.10.125 |
| 04:43.45 | shadow98 | ftp site quit working and that is why the ip switched |
| 04:43.52 | shadow98 | it was working for while.. |
| 04:43.55 | _gentgeen_ | Seb, check this out http://www.ooomacros.org/user.php#95532 --- A little more digging and I think I found something |
| 04:43.56 | Rucas | maybe dhcp lease time expired so it pulled the other one automatically? |
| 04:44.09 | Rucas | even though you switched it |
| 04:44.17 | shadow98 | think i should just reboot and let it pick up...the address in interfaces |
| 04:44.31 | shadow98 | redhat box did the same thing i had to reboot...before it liked it... |
| 04:44.33 | mwilson | What would rebooting have to do with anything? |
| 04:44.36 | b-_-d | i have kde3.4 on this box i can not get that with debian yet |
| 04:44.45 | cafuego | godverdegodver |
| 04:44.55 | shadow98 | well ifdown and ifup didnt work |
| 04:44.57 | b-_-d | kde3.4 is nice |
| 04:45.11 | cafuego | b-_-d: liar |
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| 04:45.28 | sussudio | nondenju |
| 04:45.33 | mwilson | shadow98: Did you bother stopping the dhcp client that was running on the interface? |
| 04:45.38 | b-_-d | cafuego want we to post a screen shot? |
| 04:45.49 | shadow98 | mwilson: how do you stop it |
| 04:45.55 | cafuego | b-_-d: I trioed it last week. it's ugly. |
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| 04:46.04 | shadow98 | i just put that config in interfaces and then did ifdown and ifup |
| 04:46.14 | mwilson | So you didn't, then. |
| 04:46.18 | shadow98 | nope |
| 04:46.31 | shadow98 | mwilson: how do i stop dhcp on that interface |
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| 04:46.37 | mwilson | I wonder why DHCP would have changed the IP address, then. |
| 04:46.44 | b-_-d | I like 3.4 and kmail is much better |
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| 04:47.13 | Cyanophytes | karsten: Can I show you something in flood |
| 04:47.20 | mwilson | kmail could get many times better and still not be worth bothering with. |
| 04:47.40 | mwilson | shadow98: # /etc/init.d/networkking stop |
| 04:47.47 | mwilson | shadow98: # /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 04:48.08 | b-_-d | i like bogofilter and gnome can do support it yet |
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| 04:48.23 | b-_-d | i like bogofilter and gnome can not* support it yet |
| 04:48.33 | danikata | hi all |
| 04:48.38 | mwilson | When did the DE start having any relationship to whether bogofilter worked or not? |
| 04:48.44 | cafuego | b-_-d: You sound as if there are only TWO desktop system. |
| 04:49.02 | mwilson | In fact, how does the DE have anything at all to do with bogofilter? |
| 04:49.11 | danikata | did xandros accept debian repository ? |
| 04:49.13 | Seb | _gentgeen_: google's yo friend ;) |
| 04:49.17 | Cyanophytes | can someone help me with an dpkg error if I paste in flood? |
| 04:49.19 | b-_-d | cafuego one is a server for samba |
| 04:50.00 | _gentgeen_ | Seb, accually I had tried google with no look -- then got the bright idea to search OO.o site -- Duh stupid me :-) |
| 04:50.17 | b-_-d | the samba box is the one with debian on it |
| 04:50.19 | Seb | _gentgeen_: heh |
| 04:50.24 | _gentgeen_ | correction -- look/luck |
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| 04:50.39 | b-_-d | desktop is the gentoo box |
| 04:51.03 | cafuego | b-_-d: That's not relevant to anything I've said. |
| 04:51.51 | karsten | Cyanophytes: Sorry, busy. |
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| 04:52.24 | Cyanophytes | karsten: np |
| 04:52.42 | Seb | Cyanophytes: go ahead, paste in #flood |
| 04:52.53 | b-_-d | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.34 | Seb | Cyanophytes: due install --reinstall if for apt-get; just try dpkg -i on this package |
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| 04:53.47 | Seb | s/due/dude/ |
| 04:54.54 | Seb | Cyanophytes: anyway, from what I see the problem is this: unable to make backup link of `./usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
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| 04:55.45 | ama | test |
| 04:55.56 | Cyanophytes | Seb: is there a way to fix that |
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| 04:56.02 | Seb | Cyanophytes: since dpkg proceeded to try installing, I guess you are root. So i'm not sure why you'd get permission denied on anything, except maybe if you have a partition (say, /usr) mounted read-only |
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| 04:57.34 | Seb | Cyanophytes: you are root right ? |
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| 04:57.54 | Cyanophytes | yes |
| 04:58.15 | Seb | hrm, wait a minute |
| 04:58.20 | Seb | where did you get this .deb from ? |
| 04:58.25 | infie | Has anyone gotten PLIP going from Linux <-> XP? |
| 04:58.45 | Seb | what surprises me here is the ./usr/... IMHO it should complain about /usr/... not ./usr./... |
| 04:59.13 | Cyanophytes | Seb: got the .deb from debian |
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| 04:59.25 | Seb | Cyanophytes: hrm, k. Then try the command I gave above. |
| 05:00.18 | Seb | Cyanophytes: the one I didn't give above ;) --> mount | egrep "[(,]ro" |
| 05:00.32 | litage | what would be the difference between libcrypto.so.2 and .4? |
| 05:00.43 | simonrvn | .2 |
| 05:00.45 | dendrite | Cyanophytes: What command are you trying to run? |
| 05:01.15 | Seb | dendrite: a dpkg -i somepackage, that results in "unable to make backup link of `./usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0' before installing new version: Operation not permitted" |
| 05:01.35 | Cyanophytes | Seb: mount | egrep "[(,]ro" displays nothing |
| 05:01.39 | Seb | good |
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| 05:01.45 | dendrite | Cyanophytes: Try running that from strace, e.g., strace dpkg -i ... |
| 05:01.49 | Seb | now, try ls -l /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0 |
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| 05:02.00 | Seb | dendrite: please, he's gonna drown in that much output :> |
| 05:02.26 | dendrite | Cyanophytes: Or strace -eopen dpkg -i ..., if you think it's a file access issue... |
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| 05:03.46 | Cyanophytes | still get dpkg: error processing /export/libzvt2_1.4.2-19_i386.deb (--install): |
| 05:03.46 | Cyanophytes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:04.05 | Pseudonym | Greetings. Problem with mailman on debian testing. The error message is four lines long. OK to post it? |
| 05:04.06 | Cyanophytes | I tried that dir I can't write anything in there |
| 05:04.15 | Pseudonym | s/post/paste/ |
| 05:04.41 | Seb | Cyanophytes: touch /usr/lib/mytest ? |
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| 05:04.54 | puter | hello. I just upgraded my kernel from 2.2 to 2.6 and when I boot I get the followning error, kernel panic: vfs: unable to mount root fs an unknown-block(3,3) |
| 05:05.15 | k3k0 | why i can install xterminal in my sarge ? |
| 05:05.26 | Cyanophytes | Seb: that worked |
| 05:05.39 | Seb | Cyanophytes: so you *can* write to this dir |
| 05:05.57 | Seb | Cyanophytes: how did you try, before coming to the conclusion that "I tried that dir I can't write anything in there" ? |
| 05:06.13 | omnistegan | hey guys, my monitor just started shaking, its wierd, its subtle but very annoying, i know its not really to do with debian but any suggestions? o and the on screen display of the monitor shakes to |
| 05:06.15 | Seb | k3k0: what does apt-get say ? |
| 05:06.26 | zinx | omnistegan: use a lower resolution |
| 05:06.35 | Seb | omnistegan: time to buy a new one, probably |
| 05:06.35 | zinx | omnistegan: if it's an LCD screen, use a better cable |
| 05:06.36 | k3k0 | couldent find package :( |
| 05:06.42 | Cyanophytes | Seb: I tried moving the file that it couldn't make a backup of |
| 05:06.52 | omnistegan | this sucks, its my only monitor |
| 05:06.55 | Seb | k3k0: so it doesn't *exist*, that's why you can't install it. Makes sense ? |
| 05:07.05 | zinx | omnistegan: i've had a few go bad on me.. it does suck. but it happens. |
| 05:07.07 | Seb | Cyanophytes: dude, be specific. What command did you use to try that ? |
| 05:07.07 | k3k0 | Seb: :) yeah |
| 05:07.13 | Seb | k3k0: cool |
| 05:07.13 | dendrite | omnistegan: Perhaps there is a nearby source of interference, say a device with a transformer in it? |
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| 05:07.39 | Pseudonym | omnistegan: If it's an older monitor, put your hand near the back and see if it's very hot. |
| 05:07.49 | Pseudonym | Also do try degaussing. |
| 05:08.06 | dendrite | k3k0: xterm, not xterminal. |
| 05:08.20 | Cyanophytes | Seb: used kong to move libzvt.so.2.3.0 |
| 05:08.34 | Seb | sighs, even |
| 05:08.35 | Seb | jesus... |
| 05:08.51 | Seb | Cyanophytes: mv /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0 /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0.bak |
| 05:08.56 | puter | anyone have any ideas as to why my kernel is panicing? |
| 05:08.56 | shek | how can one install a lower kernel version? I am running 2.6.8-1 how do I go to 2.4.27 ? |
| 05:08.59 | omnistegan | dendrite, I have 2 monitors and 3 computers within a foort of it |
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| 05:09.25 | cafuego | Oh no! ubuntu has an April 1 bootup screen |
| 05:09.26 | puter | shek: apt-get install kernel-image-[version] |
| 05:09.35 | Seb | omnistegan: i thought you had only one monitor |
| 05:09.35 | dendrite | puter: This is to a stock debian kernel? |
| 05:09.41 | Cyanophytes | Seb: gives me operation not permitted |
| 05:09.52 | omnistegan | the other one is older than me (16 years!) |
| 05:09.54 | Seb | Cyanophytes: as root ??? |
| 05:09.55 | puter | dendrite: what do you mean? the kernel is 2.6.8-2 i think... |
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| 05:09.57 | deadcat | cafuego: screenshot |
| 05:10.02 | Cyanophytes | Seb: yes |
| 05:10.06 | cafuego | deadcat: moment... |
| 05:10.10 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:10.13 | dendrite | puter: OK, and is this from the 'net? And, are your drives SATA? |
| 05:10.17 | Seb | Cyanophytes: ls -l /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0 /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0.bak |
| 05:10.30 | puter | dendrite: this is from the net and my drive is ata |
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| 05:10.52 | shadow98 | well the reboot fixed it.. |
| 05:10.59 | dendrite | puter: ATA? You mean IDE? Or SATA? |
| 05:11.02 | k3k0 | dendrite: allright |
| 05:11.04 | shadow98 | now i can't get vncserver to work like it was |
| 05:11.06 | k3k0 | thanx |
| 05:11.07 | Seb | shadow98: now you know, everytime something goes wrong, reboot |
| 05:11.08 | Cyanophytes | Seb: ls -l /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0 /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0.bak |
| 05:11.09 | puter | dendrite: ide... my bad |
| 05:11.11 | shadow98 | it was loading my gnome desktop.. |
| 05:11.11 | Cyanophytes | ops |
| 05:11.14 | Seb | Cyanophytes: :) |
| 05:11.18 | puter | dendrite: not SATA |
| 05:11.32 | dendrite | puter: OK, and you did an apt-get install kernel-image..., yes? |
| 05:11.34 | Cyanophytes | Seb: ls: /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0.bak: No such file or directory |
| 05:11.34 | Cyanophytes | -r-xrwx--- 8192 3782791187 3490907380 1441152980807058676 Oct 5 1982 /usr/lib/libzvt.so.2.3.0 |
| 05:11.39 | shadow98 | this is what i have in xstartup for vncserver #!/bin/sh |
| 05:11.39 | shadow98 | gnome-session & |
| 05:11.53 | zinx | doesn't most stuff use vte now? |
| 05:11.54 | puter | dendrite: that's right. then added the line 'initrd=/initrd.img' to lilo.conf |
| 05:12.05 | zinx | zvt was for gkt1 |
| 05:12.07 | zinx | erh, gtk1 |
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| 05:12.16 | dendrite | puter: Ah, and you ran lilo? |
| 05:12.26 | puter | dendrite: no. |
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| 05:12.46 | United | is there a way to make apache read via mysql for virutal hosts in real time? |
| 05:12.46 | puter | dendrite: i just rebooted |
| 05:12.58 | dendrite | puter: Heh heh. If you're running lilo as your bootstrap loader, you need to re-run it every time you do something that affects it's booting. |
| 05:12.59 | Seb | dendrite: apt-get did it for him, otherwise his *new* kernel wouldn't be panicking, now would it ? :> |
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| 05:13.10 | Cyanophytes | Seb: should I exit KDE and try something? |
| 05:13.24 | Seb | Cyanophytes: not yet |
| 05:13.34 | Seb | Cyanophytes: what bothers me is that this file hsould be owned by root |
| 05:13.37 | dendrite | Seb: Fair enough. I tend to run lilo again anyhow, with -v -v... |
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| 05:13.48 | puter | dendrite: crapsicola! so, can i change lilo.conf so that linux.old is linux then redo the apt-get install kernil-image? |
| 05:13.49 | shadow98 | had to chmod xstartup |
| 05:13.55 | Seb | i wonder what UID/GID 3782791187 and 3490907380 are |
| 05:14.13 | Seb | Cyanophytes: you are running debian, and not some derivative of it, correct ? |
| 05:14.18 | dendrite | puter: If you can boot back to your old kernel, then perhaps running lilo -v -v will fix it. |
| 05:14.29 | litage | if a pkg requires lib.so.2 but i have .4, would it be okay to create a softlink from .2 to .4? |
| 05:14.39 | Cyanophytes | Seb: yes fill seems to be owned by 3782791187 |
| 05:14.40 | zinx | Cyanophytes: looks like your filesystem is corrupt |
| 05:14.42 | puter | dendrite: okay. im in my old kernel now. but, if that doesnt work will my plan do the trick? |
| 05:14.45 | zinx | Cyanophytes: rm it |
| 05:14.52 | Seb | Cyanophytes: are you using reiserfs ? |
| 05:14.57 | cafuego | deadcat: http://www.cafuego.net/stuff/ubuntu1.jpg |
| 05:14.59 | dendrite | puter: Odds are that reinstalling won't help. |
| 05:15.03 | Cyanophytes | Seb: ext2 |
| 05:15.05 | dondelelcaro | litage: generally not |
| 05:15.05 | deadcat | thanks |
| 05:15.10 | cafuego | deadcat: gdmconfig lists it as 'HAPPY APRIL 1ST' |
| 05:15.10 | zinx | Cyanophytes: if you can't rm it, unmount the filesystem and use debugfs to rm it |
| 05:15.12 | dendrite | puter: But odds are that it's fixable. |
| 05:15.19 | Seb | Cyanophytes: well i've never had any corruption with ext2, but this sure looks like one |
| 05:15.25 | puter | dendrite: okay. i'll try lilo -v -v then reboot |
| 05:15.35 | zinx | Cyanophytes: (if you can't rm it, it's likely it has the immutable bit set) |
| 05:15.36 | Seb | zinx: the FS in question is most definitely / ;) |
| 05:15.37 | dondelelcaro | litage: if the libraries are compatible, the symlink will already be present. |
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| 05:15.41 | deadcat | cafuego: hahahahaah |
| 05:15.42 | zinx | Seb: that doesn't matter |
| 05:15.44 | puter | dendrite: i'll be back to let you know how it goes |
| 05:15.44 | dendrite | puter: Also, verify that /initrd.img is a symlink to the appropriate initrd image. |
| 05:15.51 | zinx | Seb: he can use a rescue disk/cd/whatever :P |
| 05:15.53 | dendrite | puter: Slow down... |
| 05:15.55 | puter | dendrite: yeah. i checked that already |
| 05:16.01 | Seb | zinx: oh yeah, I'm sure he got that right away ;) |
| 05:16.07 | cafuego | deadcat: Imagine my surprise as the box started X and I was greeted by TOO MUCH HAIR. |
| 05:16.10 | dendrite | puter: OK, Just trying to cover the bases. |
| 05:16.10 | rixth | Sometime I see text that has a upright rectangle in it, what is it, how do I fix it? |
| 05:16.21 | dendrite | puter: Did lilo give any complaints with -v -v? |
| 05:16.26 | Seb | cafuego: you run ubuntu ? |
| 05:16.27 | puter | dendrite: okay, is there anything else i should check? |
| 05:16.30 | deadcat | cafuego: ya. its NOT a pleasant sight to look at. )= |
| 05:16.31 | puter | dendrite: i'll try it now |
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| 05:16.47 | cafuego | deadcat: Serves me right for logging out I guess ;-) |
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| 05:16.55 | deadcat | cafuego: (= |
| 05:17.02 | Seb | hmm, that guy on the left sure looks stoned :> |
| 05:17.03 | Cyanophytes | Seb: Zinx: Karsten: Thanks for your help I will try to remove it tommorow |
| 05:17.07 | dendrite | puter: also, check to see that the new kernel's stanza in lilo.conf has an initrd line... |
| 05:17.14 | Cyanophytes | must get sleep |
| 05:17.19 | deadcat | Seb: they all are. look at the table. closely. they got weed |
| 05:17.22 | Cyanophytes | bb tommorow |
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| 05:17.28 | puter | dendrite: no complaints form lilo -v -v |
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| 05:17.35 | zignig | whock! |
| 05:17.40 | dendrite | puter: also, check to see that the new kernel's stanza in lilo.conf has an initrd line... |
| 05:17.48 | rixth | Sometime I see text that has a upright rectangle in it, what is it, how do I fix it? I think it's when it can't display a character correctly. When I open the character map, I see lots of these rectangles. |
| 05:18.14 | rixth | The rectangles have numbers in them, like 13AC |
| 05:18.16 | Seb | deadcat: :D |
| 05:18.18 | puter | dendrite: yep. it has the initrd line |
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| 05:18.49 | dendrite | puter: What's bothering me is that we haven't found anything that would have caused trouble... |
| 05:18.52 | Seb | rixth: it's called unicode. Mind to tell us *where* you see those ? As in, "in which app?" |
| 05:18.56 | United | is mydns any good compared to bind? any suggestions? |
| 05:19.00 | dendrite | puter: Unless just running lilo set it up... |
| 05:19.14 | xam | rixth: that are unicode characters, and you don't have installed the proper font (eg. a different asian language) |
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| 05:19.39 | dendrite | puter: I guess a reboot is in order, to see if that was it. |
| 05:19.40 | puter | dendrite: well.. is it worth rebooting? |
| 05:19.40 | rixth | In PDF documents mainly, where can I get what need? |
| 05:19.48 | puter | dendrite: alright. here goes |
| 05:19.58 | karsten | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googau.png |
| 05:20.05 | cafuego | Seb: I do. |
| 05:20.12 | mwilson | rixth: So use a font that actually contains the characters you're trying to display. |
| 05:20.34 | CharlesBrown | http://cdemu.sourceforge.net |
| 05:20.44 | CharlesBrown | A GPL project lke that, which has been around for a long time.. |
| 05:20.51 | CharlesBrown | Why isn't in in debian/sarge repositories/ |
| 05:21.00 | rixth | Things like, if I add one of the little copyright 'c's they don't display |
| 05:21.37 | Seb | cafuego: as your desktop ? |
| 05:21.42 | cafuego | Seb: Yep |
| 05:22.25 | Seb | cafuego: may I ask why, over Debian ? |
| 05:22.32 | Seb | cafuego: truely interested, no trolling |
| 05:22.44 | Seb | CharlesBrown: because nobody offered to package it ? |
| 05:22.59 | zinx | ubuntu done their release yet? |
| 05:23.10 | cafuego | Seb: It's an AMD64 box and i initially installed debian amd64 from alioth. After a month or so, the alioth mirror became SO unstable that I couldn't update, so I switched. |
| 05:23.47 | cafuego | Seb: Pretty straightfoward dist-upgrade it as, too :-) |
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| 05:24.37 | Seb | cafuego: I see. Thx for the info. |
| 05:24.54 | mwilson | CharlesBrown: It isn't, because no one has felt a desire to maintain a package of it. |
| 05:25.26 | CharlesBrown | Is there a guide somewhere.. |
| 05:25.31 | CharlesBrown | On how to package something. |
| 05:25.34 | mwilson | CharlesBrown: The age of something, or whether it's GPL or not, or whether it's "nifty" or not, has little or nothing to do with whether or not it's packaged. |
| 05:26.32 | dendrite | CharlesBrown: There are developer guides on the debian web site. Or, if you just want a quick and dirty package for your own purposes, try checkinstall. |
| 05:26.35 | rixth | xam, Seb, mwilson, you can see what I mean here, http://www.spetrumenterprises.org/prob.jpg (thats the source alongside) that A displays in Internet Exploreer on XP too. |
| 05:27.06 | CharlesBrown | nah, if I wanted it for myself, I would just compile source. |
| 05:27.18 | CharlesBrown | I just want other people to be able to get it easily. |
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| 05:27.39 | dendrite | CharlesBrown: Well, checkinstall just takes the "make install" and makes a .deb for you... Quite convenient, if you want to ever remove it... |
| 05:28.02 | dendrite | CharlesBrown: then check out the web site... |
| 05:28.14 | mwilson | rixth: I have no idea why you think you need to show me your problem. You were told what to do. |
| 05:28.23 | CharlesBrown | dendrite, So after I have my deb.. |
| 05:28.31 | CharlesBrown | What do I do with it to get it in the repositories. |
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| 05:28.45 | omnistegan | anybody here run debian on a mac? |
| 05:28.48 | puter | dendrite: hey. that fixed the problem. however, a new problem arose. i got an error when it tried to load a driver for my pcmcia card. (so, im back to the old kernel) |
| 05:28.53 | rixth | mwilson, my point is, it happens on XP too, where the hell is that A coming from? |
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| 05:29.12 | dendrite | CharlesBrown: Heh heh. I think you need to be a debian developer, and that is a rather long process. |
| 05:29.29 | mwilson | rixth: <shrug> I have no idea. I made no claim to be a web author. |
| 05:29.34 | dendrite | puter: I have a machine here that won't play with pcmcia in 2.6.x - and old notebook. |
| 05:29.44 | Seb | CharlesBrown: you ask a nice debian developer, and he uploads it for you |
| 05:29.45 | deadcat | omnistegan: yes |
| 05:29.59 | deadcat | lot of us |
| 05:30.16 | Seb | puter: well you'll need pcmcia modules compiled for your *new* kernel |
| 05:30.17 | xam | rixth: you have selected the wrong character en/decoding. You should always specify how your text is encoded. |
| 05:30.17 | CharlesBrown | Seb know any nice debian developers? |
| 05:30.23 | mwilson | rixth: Since you're not going to leave me alone until I guess, how about the one of them being unicode, and the other one is not? |
| 05:30.26 | omnistegan | deadcat: I downloaded the debian sarge netinstall for powerpc but my g3 powerpc doesnt read it as bootable |
| 05:30.28 | Seb | CharlesBrown: #debian-mentors ;) |
| 05:30.30 | CharlesBrown | This project doesn't get many updates. |
| 05:30.34 | CharlesBrown | It will probably never be updated. |
| 05:30.37 | CharlesBrown | So not much maintaining. |
| 05:30.39 | puter | Seb: how do i know which modules i need? |
| 05:30.48 | deadcat | omnistegan: dont you have to press C during bootup ? |
| 05:30.57 | mwilson | CharlesBrown: So why would anyone package it, if it's not interesting? |
| 05:31.00 | Seb | puter: very good question. You need the modules that go with your hardware I guess :> |
| 05:31.02 | dendrite | puter: look around for the pcmcia modules for the 2.6 kernel, as Seb suggests. |
| 05:31.02 | United | is there a way to make apache read via mysql for virutal hosts in real time? |
| 05:31.09 | omnistegan | deadcat, i did that and it shows a floppy disk with a ? which means its not bootable |
| 05:31.20 | CharlesBrown | mwilson, Just because something isn't updated...doesn't mean it's not interesting. |
| 05:31.30 | CharlesBrown | Look at sliced bread... |
| 05:31.32 | deadcat | omnistegan: did you burn the cd as bootable or just data? |
| 05:31.33 | CharlesBrown | Same idea for years. |
| 05:31.36 | CharlesBrown | It still holds up. |
| 05:31.42 | Seb | mwilson: he never said "not interesting", he said "not many updates". Many it has no bugs, and already provides all the functionality there is to provide. |
| 05:31.44 | puter | dendrite: okay. you said that there is potentially that i wont be able to get pcmcia working at all on this older (p iii) machine? |
| 05:31.45 | mwilson | CharlesBrown: It's a not-very-interesting pirate's tool. |
| 05:31.53 | omnistegan | deadcat: i used k3b to burn the iso, nothing more |
| 05:31.59 | rixth | Looking in Firefox preferences, it's set to default to Western (do I want this? or do i want Unicode?) xam, Apache sets the encoding automatically. |
| 05:32.01 | Seb | CharlesBrown: you can safely ignore mwilson |
| 05:32.01 | CharlesBrown | mwilson, pirates like linux? |
| 05:32.19 | dendrite | puter: Always a chance, of course, but you should try, it may be easy enough. |
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| 05:32.21 | mwilson | Seb: Oh, yes, that's right... morals are bad. |
| 05:32.24 | CharlesBrown | I would think the creators of linux..and their mentality.. |
| 05:32.26 | CharlesBrown | Would be pirate like. |
| 05:32.42 | Seb | mwilson: nah you only choose to look at wrong usages one can do of some software |
| 05:32.46 | puter | dendrite: righto! i will see what's available for pcmcia |
| 05:32.49 | cafuego | Anyone want a slightly broken Iomega ZipCD and a Logitech Soundman 20 ? |
| 05:32.55 | deadcat | omnistegan: hmm. maybe just try cdrecord, i didnt install debian using a cd |
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| 05:32.58 | Seb | cafuego: "broken" as in ? :> |
| 05:33.00 | mwilson | rixth: No, Apache doesn't set anything "automatically". Your page does not specify encoding, it's being left up to the browser. |
| 05:33.08 | cafuego | Seb: Can't read or write CDs ;-) |
| 05:33.13 | Seb | cafuego: haha |
| 05:33.17 | dendrite | CharlesBrown: Yeah, cultures of sharing always seem piratic, eh? Sort of like scientists... |
| 05:33.22 | zinx | CharlesBrown: most of the open source community cares quite a bit about copyrights, and not infringing on them |
| 05:33.25 | cafuego | Seb: But the tray works and the led blinks |
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| 05:33.37 | cray | http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition-sign.html |
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| 05:33.39 | Seb | cafuego: maybe the gf would like it, for christmas decorations.... |
| 05:33.50 | mwilson | omnistegan: Put the disc in, let it mount, look at it. Do you see one file, or many? |
| 05:34.02 | cafuego | Seb: I havea much nicer blinking led from an iFeel mouse box. |
| 05:34.14 | mwilson | omnistegan: Is the drive in your G3 even a bootable device? Is it the original drive, or have you replaced it? |
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| 05:34.35 | omnistegan | mwilon: I didn't see it mount, i think it was replaced |
| 05:34.36 | CharlesBrown | zinx who said the c word? |
| 05:34.44 | CharlesBrown | I was just talking about pirates....and buried treasure. |
| 05:34.50 | zinx | CharlesBrown: oh, sorry then. |
| 05:35.05 | mwilson | omnistegan: Whatever that's supposed to mean... I didn't ask you if it had mounted, I told you to mount it and look at it. |
| 05:35.17 | omnistegan | mwilson, it has many files |
| 05:35.26 | dabreegster | How do I tell moosic to pause one song, play another, then later resume the first? And can I do it on multiple levels? Example: Play A. Pause A. Play B, C, and D. Remove C and D from the queue (B finished playing.) Play E. Pause E. Resume A. A finishes. Resume E. I tell moosic to pause then play the next track, but then when I tell it to unpause when the current track is finished, it does nothing. I know I could do this with ESo |
| 05:35.52 | xam | cafuego: he did |
| 05:36.01 | xam | not |
| 05:36.10 | mwilson | omnistegan: And is the drive in your G3 the one it started life with? Do other discs boot in that drive? |
| 05:36.51 | omnistegan | mwilson: I've never had a disk boot from that drive, but then again I've only used that mac once or twice |
| 05:37.00 | deadcat | omnistegan: if everything fails. try google debian ibook brenden, and install it without cd media |
| 05:37.13 | puter | Seb: i just did apt-cache search pcmcia*2.6* and it came up with nothing.. does that mean that there are no pcmcia modules for kernel 2.6? |
| 05:37.35 | omnistegan | deadcat: I havent managed to get networking to run on that mac |
| 05:37.52 | deadcat | o |
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| 05:38.12 | Seb | puter: the right way to conduct this search is apt-cache search -- pcmcia 2.6 |
| 05:38.18 | omnistegan | deadcat: could i copy the cd to the harddrive and run the install from there? |
| 05:38.23 | xam | cafuego: I didn't really read petition, but it seems they were not pleased with how the judge rules in the Terri Schiavo case ... |
| 05:38.27 | rixth | mwilson, fixed it, Gedit was saving in Unicode-UFT8, I changed it to save in Western, and all is well. |
| 05:38.43 | Seb | but isn't pcmcia *in* 2.6 now, like alsa ? |
| 05:38.47 | deadcat | omnistegan: that i dont know. mine was a woody netintall |
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| 05:38.58 | cafuego | xam: I'm not even going there |
| 05:39.02 | dendrite | puter: It's also possible that the appropriate modules are already there, and just need to be loaded... |
| 05:39.07 | wishie | anyone using the Ubuntu X.org repositories ? apparently it works alright. |
| 05:39.08 | cafuego | fuckwit christians |
| 05:39.08 | Seb | precisely |
| 05:39.10 | litage | if i compile the sources an old version of openssl, can i install it into a directory of my choosing so that i can then remove libcrypto.so.2? |
| 05:39.14 | xam | cafuego: understandable ;) |
| 05:39.25 | puter | dendrite: in which case i would need to do modconfig? |
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| 05:40.03 | npx | How can I enable ExecCGI in /home/*/public_html ? |
| 05:40.08 | dendrite | puter: I'm not familiar with "modconfig", but perhaps a modprobe of the appropriate module could help... |
| 05:40.14 | Seb | npx: you'd have to read some apache doc |
| 05:40.22 | cafuego | npx: Add an Options +ExecCGI directive |
| 05:40.28 | dendrite | puter: And once you figure out what module it is, you can add it to /etc/modules so it'll load at boot. |
| 05:40.39 | npx | I have to include the + before it, eh? didn't have that |
| 05:40.41 | npx | thanks! |
| 05:40.58 | mwilson | rixth: Yeah, as opposed to actually specifying the character set properly. |
| 05:41.08 | deadcat | npx: becareful. cgi scripts are ran as www-data i think |
| 05:41.10 | xam | cafuego, seb: you mean those? http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1285905.jpg ;) |
| 05:41.38 | npx | deadcat, well my account is the only one on the machine, which is a vm, so it's cool |
| 05:41.40 | mwilson | wishie: Who cares? |
| 05:41.48 | deadcat | npx: ok |
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| 05:42.18 | cafuego | !pop xam |
| 05:42.21 | dendrite | puter: modconf might help... |
| 05:42.25 | deadcat | xam: whos terri? and which one is you? |
| 05:42.47 | xam | !gothsmite deadcat |
| 05:42.54 | deadcat | xam: that "terri we love you" sign is SO bullshit. |
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| 05:43.04 | mwilson | deadcat: It's a photograph of a bunch of idiots who think their opinions matter. In other words, Americans. |
| 05:43.28 | npx | Yep, being completely apathetic towards all issues is the key to changing the world. |
| 05:43.29 | dendrite | More proof that gentoo users have too much time on their hands... |
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| 05:43.37 | cafuego | deadcat: Terri is someone whose wishes should not be respected, because a 2000 year old sci fi book apparently says so. |
| 05:43.44 | deadcat | mwilson: some are just have way too much time in there hand. |
| 05:43.57 | mwilson | npx: You're assuming that I think that, in this case at least, things need to be changed. |
| 05:44.12 | Solet | does anyone know of a site that lists all of the debian packaged applications and what their for? preferably with a search/catagorizer? |
| 05:44.17 | nvz | wtf is GENBOO? |
| 05:44.22 | dabreegster | Anybody know how to tell moosic to pause a song, play another, then resume later? The expected way doesn't work. |
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| 05:45.02 | mwilson | npx: Those people had no business being there, and should have been arrested. |
| 05:45.11 | deadcat | nvz: must be gentoo, maybe its one of the developers, i am gonna break their legs at the linux world expo this year... those SOBs |
| 05:45.22 | dondelelcaro | Solet: packages.debain.org |
| 05:45.25 | dondelelcaro | s/ai/ia/ |
| 05:45.40 | Solet | s/ai/ia????? |
| 05:45.51 | nvz | deadcat: heh. |
| 05:45.55 | deadcat | Solet: make a guess |
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| 05:46.10 | Solet | search something something |
| 05:46.13 | deadcat | nvz: i can. one gentoo dev. is HUGE. he cant chase me (= |
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| 05:46.19 | cafuego | deadcat: Do an arm on my behalf |
| 05:46.22 | Solet | search auto index something |
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| 05:46.54 | dondelelcaro | Solet: eh? s/ai/ia/ means substitute ia for ai. That's it. Visit packages.debian.org |
| 05:46.54 | nvz | deadcat: yeah break their arms instead.. you can still get to a pc in a wheelchair |
| 05:47.04 | mwilson | You know, is Gentoobie so poor that it actually attracts stupids like that? |
| 05:47.05 | deadcat | cafuego: nvz (= |
| 05:47.20 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: who cares? |
| 05:47.47 | Solet | *shrug* he told me to guess... so i did :P... i was apparently quite wrong |
| 05:47.51 | puter | dendrite: modprobe -l * tells me which modules are installed right? |
| 05:47.58 | cafuego | nvz: No, "in addition to" |
| 05:48.05 | xam | Solet: hehe |
| 05:48.06 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: No one, I suppose. I just can't help wondering why something that is supposedly so technically excellent attracts some of the stupidest people. |
| 05:48.27 | dendrite | puter: Or just lsmod. |
| 05:49.43 | dendrite | puter: My reading of the man page suggests that modprobe -l is not just loaded modules... |
| 05:49.58 | dendrite | puter: I may be confused by your meaning, that is, installed versus loaded... |
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| 05:50.32 | puter | dendrite: yeah. i'm a little confused too... when i apt-get install some-module, is it automatically loaded? |
| 05:50.45 | dendrite | puter: No, apt-get is for packages. |
| 05:50.46 | simonrvn | no, the -l switch lists all installed modules. lsmod shows modules in kernel memory |
| 05:51.07 | dendrite | puter: Modules are pieces of kernel code that can be loaded as needed -- they're part of the kernel. |
| 05:51.56 | puter | dendrite: but, a package can contain modules that then can be loaded into the kernel..? |
| 05:52.09 | Solet | anyone have any suggestions on a script editor for php/html/js/c etc that colors text? |
| 05:52.10 | nvz | since nearly everyone is here.. I noticed that apt, and dpkg were changed so they do not respond if they cannot see you in the channels they reside.. I figure this cuts down on abuse.. I guess nobody sent this memo to simon? |
| 05:52.10 | dendrite | puter: Yes. |
| 05:52.28 | dendrite | puter: In those cases it's important that the package and the kernel version are compatible... |
| 05:52.35 | dabreegster | Solet: vim |
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| 05:53.08 | puter | dendrite: okay, i understand now. so, when i do 'dpkg -l pcmcia-modules*' and it tells me that "pcmcia-modules" package is not installed, should i worry? |
| 05:53.20 | shek | make-kpkg --initrd doesnt work |
| 05:53.24 | shek | any suggestions |
| 05:53.29 | shek | I am trying to build my kernel source |
| 05:53.45 | dendrite | puter: I don't think there is any such package -- the packages will have kernel numbers associated with them. |
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| 05:53.50 | dabreegster | shek: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 05:53.52 | nvz | well make-kpkg --initrd isnt a complete make-kpkg statement afaik |
| 05:54.07 | dabreegster | shek: I assume you did the config, make-kpkg clean, and read the docs? |
| 05:54.12 | dendrite | puter: E.g., pcmcia-modules-2.4.26-1-k7-smp and so on. |
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| 05:54.25 | nvz | not to mention unless you are building a rescue kernel or one for a livecd or something, there is virtually no reason to even have initrd enabled |
| 05:54.34 | dendrite | puter: However, I *believe* the pcmcia stuff has been integrated into 2.6 kernels. |
| 05:54.46 | puter | dendrite: yeah. i see those in apt-cache... but dpkg isnt going to make stuff up right? |
| 05:54.47 | simonrvn | something was using figlet to post the word "flood" in #flood. this is what happened: |
| 05:54.52 | shek | I aptitude installed kernel-source-2.6.8 , untarred it and then in symlink : cd linux , I did a make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 05:54.57 | dabreegster | dendrite: It has. |
| 05:55.13 | shek | but I get two errors [.tmp_vmlinux1] error1 and then [stamp-build] Error 2 |
| 05:55.16 | nvz | heh |
| 05:55.17 | shek | : | |
| 05:55.18 | puter | dendrite: so i will look at the config file.. which one was that again...? |
| 05:55.29 | simonrvn | shek: that's useless. read what's above that |
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| 05:55.34 | dabreegster | shek: gotta config first. make menuconfig if you have ncurses |
| 05:56.08 | FlimFlamMan | is there a way to write VOB files from dvd-rip back to dvd? |
| 05:56.19 | shek | dabreegster: I did make-kpkg clean |
| 05:56.29 | nvz | someone should redirect Vion_loja to AOL Chat or Dalnet |
| 05:56.30 | dabreegster | shek: apt-get install kernel-source-foo && cd /usr/src && tar xjf kernel-source-foo && cd kernel-source-foo && make menuconfig && make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 05:56.30 | ezhdeha | flimflamman - uh dvdauth i think ? |
| 05:56.38 | dabreegster | shek: did you config? |
| 05:56.38 | dendrite | puter: I'm very possibly not the best person to help you get pcmcia sorted on your machine. My approach would probably be to boot the 2.6 kernel, and modprobe around to see what I could get working. |
| 05:56.38 | FlimFlamMan | ezhdeha, thx i'll look for it |
| 05:57.06 | omnistegan | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.23 | shek | yes, when I did a make-kpkg it gave me a gazillion modules and I picked yes and no |
| 05:57.27 | puter | dendrite: can i load modules with modprobe? i didnt see that option |
| 05:57.34 | dendrite | puter: Yes. |
| 05:57.35 | shek | but I will do a make menuconfig first again |
| 05:57.38 | ezhdeha | omnistegan - nope |
| 05:57.48 | nvz | if my computer asked be for a DHCP client id I would ask it, where it learned to talk shit like that, then ask it what the fuck it was talking about |
| 05:57.54 | omnistegan | ezhdeha what do i put? |
| 05:58.09 | ezhdeha | puter: modprobe <module> will load, rmmod <module> unloads |
| 05:58.13 | dendrite | puter: first and second variations in the synopsis in the man page. |
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| 05:58.17 | dabreegster | shek: make-kpkg shouldnt have given you modules. try make menuconfig if you have ncurses. And dont blindly choose yes/no. Each module has a Help thing, check that. For me, the defaults generated by make menuconfig were fine. |
| 05:58.25 | ezhdeha | omnistegan - i have no idea :) maybe leave it blank ? |
| 05:58.57 | omnistegan | its actually on my mac, i can't get the freaking networking to work!! arg!! |
| 05:58.58 | nvz | dabreegster: make is not needed in the debian kernel build process |
| 05:59.04 | dabreegster | shek: Besides, if you're doing a kernel compile, you should know what modules you want. If not, just grab a kernel-image. |
| 05:59.12 | nvz | dabreegster: make-kpkg --config=menuconfig |
| 05:59.32 | dabreegster | nvz: scary. I followed the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* though |
| 05:59.38 | ezhdeha | omnistegan - by pure coincidence u have actually reminded me what it is - the mac address! |
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| 05:59.54 | puter | dendrite: okay. i'm off to the new kernel. thanks for the help! |
| 05:59.56 | ezhdeha | omnistegan - i think the dchp client id is just the mac address of your NIC |
| 06:00.11 | dendrite | puter: Good luck! |
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| 06:00.44 | nvz | If I find usage of 'make' in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ someone is getting slapped |
| 06:00.45 | dabreegster | Anybody familiar with moosic? Know how to pause a song, play another, then resume the first? The obvious way doesn't work. Is there another music daemon/manager that can pause, play another, and resume? |
| 06:01.18 | ezhdeha | dabreegster: sorry mate - no idea |
| 06:01.29 | dabreegster | nvz: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 06:01.32 | nvz | there is mpd, though I never heard of such a thing |
| 06:01.47 | dabreegster | ezhdeha: That's fine. The question was aimed towards people who know, though. ;) |
| 06:01.52 | shek | dabgreester: grab kernel image? I am trying to install wireless drivers and they ask for the source to be installed |
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| 06:02.39 | nvz | shek: what you need to compile a module, is the kernel-headers package that matches your running kernel |
| 06:02.40 | omnistegan | ezhdeha where can i find the mac address? |
| 06:02.53 | nvz | shek: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 06:02.53 | dabreegster | shek: You're trying to be modules for your current kernel and it needs source? Maybe kernel-headers-foo? |
| 06:03.54 | ezhdeha | omnistegan, uh - u don't have linux do u ? |
| 06:04.15 | ezhdeha | omnistegan, didn't u say that u are using a macintosh ? |
| 06:04.28 | omnistegan | right now i am in debian on my pc |
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| 06:05.02 | ezhdeha | omni - ah good, well to get the mac address on a linux box just type `ipconfig` and look for the hardware address |
| 06:05.14 | shek | I dont know but for another package I have to apply a patch and recompile the kernel |
| 06:05.28 | shek | and I am new so I dont know hwo to compile kernel source |
| 06:06.05 | dabreegster | shek: apt-get install kernel-source-foo && cd /usr/src && tar xjf kernel-source-foo && cd kernel-source-foo && patch -p1 < YOURPATCH && make menuconfig && make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel_image |
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| 06:06.43 | omnistegan | ezhdeha: is that mac address just for the one computer? do i need a different one for the other computer? |
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| 06:07.21 | ezhdeha | and to find the mac address of the macintosh, assuming it's on the same network as your linux box go `arp -a <ip address of macintosh>` |
| 06:07.40 | ezhdeha | that will resolve the mac address from an IP address |
| 06:07.50 | omnistegan | thanks |
| 06:08.12 | ezhdeha | no problemo |
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| 06:08.43 | shek | dabgreegster: dont I have to do an --initrd as well? because I did the following before: apt-get install kernel-srouce-foo && cd /usr/src && tar xjf kernel-source-foo and && ln -s kernel-source linux and then cd linux and then make-kpkg kernel_image and then dpkg -i kernel_imagefoo.deb, but after that I cannot boot in , it says hd0,0 not found or something like no file system found , so I dont know how to redo it correctly |
| 06:08.47 | nvz | shek: you do _not_ have to patch and recompile a kernel source to make a module. you just need the kernel headers, and to compile the module |
| 06:09.06 | nvz | well in most cases anyhow |
| 06:09.16 | United | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 06:09.22 | United | how do i expand that size? i forget :\ |
| 06:09.25 | nvz | unless the module is already in the kernel and you have to patch and recompile it I suppose |
| 06:09.31 | dabreegster | shek: then maybe you do need initrd. Check your grub/lilo configs. You can make an initrd without recompiling. cd to the kernel source and do mkinitrd |
| 06:09.39 | jm_ | United: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 06:09.46 | United | thanks |
| 06:10.00 | Putiikki | how can i know when unstable's packages come in testing? |
| 06:11.26 | jm_ | Putiikki: http://packages.qa.debian.org/<pkgname> |
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| 06:11.31 | Putiikki | thanks |
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| 06:13.31 | shek | how can I upgrade to kernel 2.6.8-2 from 2.6.8-1? maybe I should try that since headers for that are in apt-cache but 2.6.8-1 headers are not |
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| 06:14.37 | maher | !ops Pizza on join spam |
| 06:14.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Pizza on join spam |
| 06:14.49 | Flimzy | shek: 1, that's not an upgrade. 2) the headers for -2 should be fine with image -1 |
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| 06:15.03 | shek | flimzy ok |
| 06:15.03 | Flimzy | shek: 3) did you try apt-get update? |
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| 06:15.25 | bob2` | bah |
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| 06:15.51 | zignig | -humbug |
| 06:16.49 | shek | how can I install drivers that look for something in /usr/src/linux ? |
| 06:17.09 | shek | can I install 2.4.27 kernel on my 2.6.8-1 ? how |
| 06:17.12 | john | with your penis |
| 06:17.19 | omnistegan | ezhdeha I don't mean to bug you again but since the mac isnt connecting to the network, I can't use that command you gave me to resolve the mac address, can i make up a mac address or something? |
| 06:17.20 | nevyn | shek: install the kernel headers for your running kernel |
| 06:17.34 | jm_ | omnistegan: no |
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| 06:17.47 | bob2` | john: try to stay useful |
| 06:18.13 | dabreegster | john: bash.org wannabe |
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| 06:18.27 | omnistegan | jm_what do you suggest then? |
| 06:18.29 | puter | hey, if kernel2.6 has pcmcia support built in, why does it say in the config CONFIG-PCMCIA=m? doest that mean it's a module? |
| 06:18.38 | jm_ | omnistegan: find out its MAC address |
| 06:18.42 | puter | btw. my pcmcia stuff is broken |
| 06:18.47 | omnistegan | jm_ how? |
| 06:18.52 | dabreegster | puter: yes. |
| 06:19.02 | jm_ | omnistegan: is it running OS/X ? |
| 06:19.11 | shek | I am trying to install linux drivers and the make file wants to look for the kernel and it gives me 4 options and asks me which kernel to select and I have tried all four as listed and they dont work 0 ) Kernel 2.6.8 (/lib/modules/2.6.8/build) |
| 06:19.11 | shek | 1 ) Kernel 2.6.8 (/lib/modules/2.6.8_OLD/build) |
| 06:19.11 | shek | 2 ) Kernel 2.6.8 (/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8) |
| 06:19.12 | shek | 3 ) Kernel 2.6.8 (/usr/src/linux) |
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| 06:19.25 | jm_ | omnistegan: http://kb.indiana.edu/data/ackn.html?cust=004710.96687.30 |
| 06:19.27 | omnistegan | no, os 9.1 |
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| 06:19.42 | dabreegster | shek: read the topic. no flooding. |
| 06:19.58 | puter | dabreegster: yes? |
| 06:20.24 | puter | dabreegster: if it's included in the kernel then CONFIG_PCMCIA should =y right? |
| 06:20.26 | dabreegster | puter: WHATEVER=m means it is a module |
| 06:20.38 | jm_ | omnistegan: that's 4th hit on google |
| 06:20.47 | shek | dabgreegster : didnt know the copy would flodd it |
| 06:20.59 | dabreegster | puter: I dunno. I think pcmia is just automatically included in 2.6; in 2.4 you need patches. I'm not sure though. |
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| 06:21.14 | dabreegster | puter: you can change it to y if you want it builtin |
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| 06:22.47 | puter | dabreegster: would i have to recompile the kernel afterward..? |
| 06:23.18 | dabreegster | puter: probably. are you running a 2.6 kernel now? |
| 06:23.39 | shek | dabgreegster: what I was saying was the configure files for the driver dscud searches for kernel-source and it gives me 4 optiosn and all four dont work: appaently it thinks there is something in /lib/modules/2.6.8/build then older version of the same and then /usr/src/linux and /usr/src/kernel-source-foo |
| 06:23.41 | puter | dabreegster: no. i'm using 2.2 but upgrading to 2.6 |
| 06:23.50 | shek | and all four opthins dont work , it cannot find them there |
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| 06:23.56 | puter | dabreegster: everything is fine except for the pcmcia |
| 06:24.27 | jm_ | shek: install kernel-headers for your kernel and use option 0) |
| 06:24.31 | dabreegster | puter: I'm not sure. Sorry. |
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| 06:25.06 | maher | puter: are you going to use a debian kernel? |
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| 06:25.28 | puter | maher: yes. i've already installed it using apt-get install kernel-image.... |
| 06:25.35 | maher | shek: do you have kernel headers installed for your kernel? |
| 06:25.58 | puter | maher: i'm just having a problem with the pcmcia driver/module |
| 06:26.18 | maher | puter: pcmcia should work - youmay neen pcmcia-cs |
| 06:26.36 | puter | maher: is that something i can apt-get? |
| 06:26.49 | maher | puter: yes |
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| 06:28.21 | cafuego | !ops *!*@*.com are spamming |
| 06:28.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: *!*@*.com are spamming |
| 06:28.26 | nvz | hah |
| 06:28.44 | nvz | cafuego: screw you :P |
| 06:28.45 | puter | i'm pretty sure i have that installed already |
| 06:28.47 | peterS | *whew*. good thing I'm from *.net |
| 06:28.49 | puter | but i will make sure |
| 06:28.50 | FlimFlamMan | any dinosaur buffs on today? |
| 06:29.00 | deadcat | peterS: HAHAH |
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| 06:29.31 | martink | <cafuego> You're spamming the wrong channel. |
| 06:29.47 | deadcat | oh girl |
| 06:30.07 | martink | <cafuego> Dumb-ass bot |
| 06:30.12 | cafuego | huzzah! |
| 06:30.19 | martink | <cafuego> huzzah! |
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| 06:30.37 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 06:30.41 | cafuego | !helix++ |
| 06:30.51 | Metal | could someone help upgrade my kernel using atp-get ? google was of no use this time current one is 2.6.8-1-368 |
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| 06:31.24 | Metal | and apt-get doesn't offer me header files for the kernel I have... that's why I need to upgrade |
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| 06:32.20 | man_in_shack | anyone know why i'm getting "Bad header line" from apt-get update on Sources @ ftp.au.debian.org? |
| 06:32.20 | CharlesBrown | If I cat a file, how can I only show colum 6? |
| 06:32.33 | chealer | Metal: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 06:32.34 | peterS | CharlesBrown: cut -f6 -d\ |
| 06:32.44 | peterS | CharlesBrown: where -d\ is whatever separator character you want |
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| 06:32.48 | peterS | CharlesBrown: or, awk '{print $6}' |
| 06:32.50 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: awk '{print $6}' |
| 06:32.59 | chealer | Metal: that's if you have nothing better than a 386 :) |
| 06:33.01 | helix | 01:32 (martink) you are a transvestite boy? |
| 06:33.17 | cafuego | helix: So, are you? |
| 06:33.41 | cafuego | helix: I think my umode +CE baffled it, so it's gone to spam you. |
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| 06:34.00 | CharlesBrown | thanks |
| 06:34.15 | man_in_shack | come on, this is important |
| 06:34.26 | cafuego | man_in_shack: Broken mirror, try another one. |
| 06:34.32 | dabreegster | Anyone know how to tell moosic to pause one song, play another, and then resume the first? It doesn't resume when I tell it to. I'm running esd in the background. I could do this on the shell by playing one song, pausing it, playing another, and then using 'fg' to resume the first. |
| 06:34.33 | gejun | hello, I am new to Debian. I just installed it but it has no XWindows and no network. Who can help me? |
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| 06:34.55 | dabreegster | gejun: try tasksel |
| 06:34.58 | CharlesBrown | cat file|cut -f6 -d\ |
| 06:35.00 | CharlesBrown | Like that? |
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| 06:35.13 | peterS | CharlesBrown: or just cut -f6 -d\ < file |
| 06:35.14 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: awk '{print$6}' < file |
| 06:35.22 | dabreegster | gejun: do you have your apt sources set up to use a CD or Net archive? What version of debian? Woody? Sarge? |
| 06:35.28 | puter | if i do apt-get update while i'm using one kernel, the packages will be updated when i switch to the other right? |
| 06:35.32 | CharlesBrown | How would I pipe it from cat |
| 06:35.36 | CharlesBrown | cat file| |
| 06:35.41 | peterS | CharlesBrown: the two do slightly different things. awk considers multiple spaces and tabs together to be a single field separator |
| 06:35.42 | Guerin | !uuoc |
| 06:35.42 | dpkg | uuoc is probably Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 06:35.48 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: You don't need cat. EVER. |
| 06:35.54 | gejun | dabreegster: I was using woody from CD (but only one CD) |
| 06:36.10 | deadcat | something wrong with this on woody? warning: `-' deprecated; use `ps ef', not `ps -ef' |
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| 06:36.13 | CharlesBrown | cafuego, yes I do |
| 06:36.14 | CharlesBrown | lol |
| 06:36.22 | CharlesBrown | well, no I don't |
| 06:36.23 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: Not on a shell redirect |
| 06:36.25 | CharlesBrown | I'm in lftp |
| 06:36.32 | dabreegster | gejun: I think you might need the others if you want X. You cant get online? Are you connecting through an ethernet interface or dialup modem? |
| 06:36.32 | CharlesBrown | And I"m typing rels...and I"m piping form my rels command. |
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| 06:36.46 | cafuego | cat file | awk '{print$6}' |
| 06:36.53 | cafuego | with a space between the t and the $ |
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| 06:37.34 | chealer | puter: apt-get update doesn't upgrade any package |
| 06:37.48 | man_in_shack | cafuego, i tried ftp.debian.org and didn't get a response from it at all |
| 06:38.00 | CharlesBrown | awk: cmd. line:1: {print |
| 06:38.00 | CharlesBrown | awk: cmd. line:1: ^ unexpected newline or end of string |
| 06:38.00 | dabreegster | man_in_shack: ftp.us.debian.org maybe? |
| 06:38.04 | Guerin | man_in_shack: ftp.kr.d.o is fast |
| 06:38.11 | cafuego | man_in_shack: Which ISP you with? |
| 06:38.24 | deadcat | damn. i think my friend's server is rooted. |
| 06:38.32 | cafuego | Telstra, typical. |
| 06:38.33 | gejun | dabreegster: in Tasksel there are only dialup system and laptop system. I am using a desktop with high speed network |
| 06:38.40 | nullvoid | hi anyone can suggest me free webhost with PHP & MYSQL - NO ADVERT & NO BANNER |
| 06:38.45 | maher | deadcat: run chkrootkit |
| 06:38.55 | Guerin | nullvoid: google.com |
| 06:39.01 | gejun | Or should I choose Servers such as conventional unix server? |
| 06:39.05 | deadcat | maher: is it too late? on the same machine right? |
| 06:39.16 | Guerin | !tell gejun about ig |
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| 06:39.22 | cafuego | gejun: All you need then is to load your network card driver. |
| 06:39.28 | maher | deadcat: chkrootkit is diagnostic |
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| 06:39.30 | nullvoid | Guerin: just tired of searching, most of it want a small logo in |
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| 06:39.36 | dabreegster | gejun: try ping google.com to test your network. Run dmesg | less and look for errors about your network. I can't really help you beyond that; sorry. |
| 06:39.42 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 06:39.45 | bonez39 | I just grabbed a couple fonts....how do I now 'install' them? to my debian 3.0 system? |
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| 06:39.49 | cafuego | nullvoid: There are no free websists with php/mysql. |
| 06:39.59 | man_in_shack | well i just got the broken file and renamed it applicably, now it works |
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| 06:40.01 | Guerin | nullvoid: don't use a free host. Pay $8 per month and get rights and entitlements |
| 06:40.05 | cafuego | nullvoid: There, now you can stop looking. |
| 06:40.08 | dabreegster | cafuego: there are, but you have to search for em |
| 06:40.16 | deadcat | maher: ya. (= the moron has cd .M\ S\ P in .bash_history |
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| 06:40.19 | cafuego | dabreegster: No, there are oone. |
| 06:40.28 | bonez39 | nullvoid: Namecheap.com is reasonable...Godaddy too |
| 06:40.39 | Guerin | hell no, godaddy are arse |
| 06:40.52 | dabreegster | cafuego: I've been to a web host directory and entered in some filter search options and it turned up quite a few. |
| 06:40.53 | maher | deadcat: what does that mean? |
| 06:40.56 | gejun | dabreegster: ping www.google.com -- ping: unknown host www.google.com |
| 06:41.16 | dabreegster | gejun: what network card do you have? Did you check dmesg? |
| 06:41.22 | Guerin | dabreegster: doesn't mean any of them are actually free, actually good, or even usable |
| 06:41.22 | deadcat | maher: no clue. its no my machine. his root passwd is SOOO fucking weak. )= |
| 06:41.23 | cafuego | dabreegster: Nevertheless. |
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| 06:41.45 | Guerin | ipowerweb is good for a cheapie |
| 06:41.59 | nullvoid | well, how do I overcome dyndns issue, where it gives out my internal ip (private) pc and not the external IP of my router |
| 06:42.01 | Guerin | if you want to throw a bit more money around you can actually get something worth using |
| 06:42.04 | cafuego | that server all my clients pay for is too. |
| 06:42.20 | deadcat | maher: wget www.geocities.com/bogdanlover4u/rk.tgz |
| 06:42.30 | cafuego | nullvoid: You make sure the dyndns client is set to use the 'web' interface. |
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| 06:42.55 | cafuego | nullvoid: Uh, scratch that. |
| 06:43.00 | nullvoid | cafuego: what you mean |
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| 06:43.07 | cafuego | nullvoid: Your internal IP is not useable AT ALL on the web. |
| 06:43.20 | nullvoid | cafuego: I know that |
| 06:43.40 | nullvoid | cafuego: now that is my problem since I am running dyndns at my pc behind a router |
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| 06:44.28 | cafuego | nullvoid: Tell the dyndns client to check the IP via the web,, most have a setting for that - that way they get you EXTERNAL ip, which you can forward to your PC using the router. |
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| 06:44.54 | deadcat | maher: thats a rootkit. and i think the dude changed ssh as well. |
| 06:45.21 | nullvoid | cafuego: how to tell, where to read ? |
| 06:45.27 | A-z-i-z | which partition table type shall i choose during instalation ? (My first time) |
| 06:45.27 | maher | deadcat: chrootkit / debsums may help - just reinstalling may be better... |
| 06:45.47 | cafuego | nullvoid: The docs for your dyndns client |
| 06:46.00 | deadcat | maher: should i install it now? i mean i've never done it on the machine before |
| 06:46.23 | maher | deadcat: if this is a debian machine you can apt-get it - otherwise just dl and compile |
| 06:46.35 | gejun | dabreegster: the installation CD can recoganize the network card. |
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| 06:46.53 | maher | deadcat: you may want to use a binary compiled on a non-rooted machine |
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| 06:47.26 | gejun | from dmesg I can't see which network card it is. |
| 06:47.32 | deadcat | maher: i only have ssh to that machine |
| 06:47.43 | maher | deadcat: scp |
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| 06:47.45 | dabreegster | gejun: you probably need to find the module for your card. try /etc/init.d/networking start. Dunno if Woody has that script though |
| 06:47.53 | deadcat | maher: ok. cool |
| 06:48.12 | chealer | A-z-i-z: are you installing woody or sarge? |
| 06:48.26 | A-z-i-z | chealer: sarge |
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| 06:48.50 | Solet | lol... stupid question... how do i repair crap i blew wholes in with the 'blast' program? |
| 06:48.50 | chealer | A-z-i-z: what do you want to know exactly? isn't the installer proposing something? |
| 06:48.52 | A-z-i-z | chealer: But i want to upgrade to sid. |
| 06:48.59 | chealer | A-z-i-z: pfff |
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| 06:49.28 | A-z-i-z | chealer: it choose msdos as default .. shall i keep that ? |
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| 06:49.33 | chealer | A-z-i-z: why do you think you want that? |
| 06:49.36 | simonrvn | Solet: "holes", 2nd, just move the window |
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| 06:49.52 | chealer | it chooses msdos??? humm |
| 06:50.07 | A-z-i-z | <chealer> sid has newer packages than sarge ? |
| 06:50.07 | chealer | A-z-i-z: do you already have something installed on that system? |
| 06:50.19 | A-z-i-z | chealer .. yes it has |
| 06:50.20 | chealer | A-z-i-z: do you know sid's codename? |
| 06:50.23 | horror_vacui | Hey, I have a problem with debian sarge net-installer. During kernel install the mkintrd fails, saying something about /dev/hdi1 not being a block device... |
| 06:50.28 | Solet | "holes"? no the prgm is "blast" and what about the task bar thats all gnarled up |
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| 06:50.42 | A-z-i-z | <chealer> unstable ? |
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| 06:51.02 | chealer | A-z-i-z: yes. you understand that means it's unstable? |
| 06:51.04 | jm_ | Solet: xrefresh |
| 06:51.12 | Solet | thx |
| 06:51.14 | horror_vacui | Any hints about that? |
| 06:51.22 | A-z-i-z | <chealer> I just want to test it as Desktop |
| 06:51.40 | chealer | A-z-i-z: if you have dos installed on your PC, d-i won't remove it. does it propose to *create* msdos partitions? |
| 06:51.51 | chealer | A-z-i-z: so don't upgrade to sid |
| 06:51.59 | Solet | umm xrefresh didnt get rid of the blast marks :( |
| 06:52.00 | chealer | I mean, "upgrade" |
| 06:52.19 | k3k0 | what package mplayer has x11 headers in it |
| 06:52.21 | A-z-i-z | I want to erase everything |
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| 06:53.01 | maher | Solet: try man blast |
| 06:53.07 | chealer | A-z-i-z: that must be possible...I don't have the d-i interface under my hands though |
| 06:53.11 | cafuego | A-z-i-z: Just slect 'use entire disk' then |
| 06:53.35 | k3k0 | what package x11 has for mplayer in debian |
| 06:53.40 | gejun | Hello, everytime I reboot there are two entries. One is Linux and the other is Linux (hda1). Why there are two of them? |
| 06:53.43 | horror_vacui | Help on mkinitrd failing during kernel install with sarge net installer? |
| 06:53.48 | cafuego | !tell k3k0 -about marillat |
| 06:54.06 | guorke | anybody use putty? |
| 06:54.19 | cafuego | !anyone |
| 06:54.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 06:54.27 | jm_ | then move the windows arround and they will be repainted |
| 06:54.28 | k3k0 | cafuego: i have mplayer isntalled,, but im missing some x11 files |
| 06:55.23 | timo | guorke, yeah... not on linux, though |
| 06:55.24 | gejun | guorke: I used it sometime ago. |
| 06:55.24 | gejun | in windows |
| 06:55.24 | Active2 | someone know about a good monitoring / ids system ? |
| 06:55.33 | guorke | can it auto telnet ? |
| 06:56.00 | k3k0 | what package has x11 headers in mplayer |
| 06:56.02 | guorke | if it not allowed talk about this ,then tell me |
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| 06:56.12 | Solet | haha i figured out how to repair everything except the task bar... |
| 06:56.26 | timo | guorke, what does that mean? it can do telnet, yes |
| 06:56.31 | Solet | hrm maybe logging out/in will fix it... (mental note... blast is not as fun as it looks) |
| 06:56.52 | guorke | auto telnet,not need input password,username |
| 06:57.08 | guorke | like netterm |
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| 06:57.27 | jm_ | guorke: teraterm supports that |
| 06:57.41 | A-z-i-z | doesn't debian installer create a /boot partition by default ? |
| 06:57.46 | guorke | yeh,i know |
| 06:57.55 | A-z-i-z | i only see / and swap |
| 06:57.57 | guorke | but i use putty now |
| 06:58.03 | timo | guorke, you can automate inputting your username, but not password, since telnet doesn't support public key authentication |
| 06:58.05 | cafuego | azreal: only if you tell it to. |
| 06:58.34 | cafuego | A-z-i-z: if you choose 'All file in one partition' it will only create / and swap. (which is fine for a desktop) |
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| 06:58.36 | horror_vacui | If anyone can help me with initrd failing during kernel install, please speak now. I've a deadline for this server, and I'll put gentoo on it if debian works nada... |
| 06:58.43 | debiand00d | If you select multi-user workstation in auto partition it makes a seperate /boot by default |
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| 06:58.50 | cafuego | horror_vacui: Off to gentoo you, then. |
| 06:58.55 | guorke | if i create authorized_keys ...then i can auto login use ssh |
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| 06:59.17 | horror_vacui | cafuego: I'm not asking about gentoo, I'm asking about debian. |
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| 06:59.46 | cafuego | horror_vacui: I must have imagined it, then. |
| 06:59.47 | A-z-i-z | <cafuego> is it also fine if i want to test it as server later ? |
| 06:59.57 | cafuego | A-z-i-z: Yep |
| 07:00.04 | guorke | neterm use expect |
| 07:00.23 | guorke | putty maybe support |
| 07:00.27 | A-z-i-z | I'm comming to a Red hat background .. which always have /boot partition |
| 07:00.31 | guorke | but we do not know |
| 07:00.33 | A-z-i-z | to = from |
| 07:00.48 | horror_vacui | cafuego: Yes, you must have imagined it. The question was about mkinitrd failing during kernel install with sarge net installer. |
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| 07:00.51 | cafuego | A-z-i-z: If all you install is Linux, /boot isn't required. |
| 07:01.06 | A-z-i-z | I see |
| 07:01.09 | cafuego | horror_vacui: I thought it was "I will use gentoo if you don't help me NOW" |
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| 07:01.18 | timo | guorke, I guess you could patch putty, it's open source. but the vanilla version doesn't support that |
| 07:01.24 | A-z-i-z | so /boot is needed for dual boot with other os ? |
| 07:01.40 | nagual | cafuego: and the correct answer to that is 'promise?'. ;-) |
| 07:01.53 | cafuego | horror_vacui: You can switch to tty2 (alt-F2) and chroot to /target, then see if you can manually fix up mkinitrd. |
| 07:01.58 | nagual | A-z-i-z: not nessecarily. |
| 07:02.31 | A-z-i-z | okay.. I have two hard disks.. I might install another distrubution later.. shall i create /boot ? |
| 07:02.51 | cafuego | A-z-i-z: it's sometimes preferred because older hardware has issues booting from a cylinder past #1024 (a small /boot at the start of the disk circumvents this) |
| 07:02.52 | nagual | A-z-i-z: you should always seperate partitions, even if you dont have sevral oses |
| 07:02.53 | A-z-i-z | linux distribution i mean |
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| 07:03.19 | horror_vacui | cafuego: I did. The error was /dev/hdi1 is not a block device. I checked that, and indeed there was no /dev/hdi1. So I restarted the install from scratch, symlinked /dev/hdi1 to the correct /dev/ide/blah... - but still nothing. |
| 07:03.20 | nagual | err |
| 07:03.29 | nagual | i havent woken up yet, but you know wha ti mean :) |
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| 07:04.54 | maher | horror_vacui: what are you doing? when do youget the error? |
| 07:04.58 | horror_vacui | Where it installs to is a subtree of /target, so I also wanted to symlink /target/dev/hdi1, but there's no dev under /target... |
| 07:05.16 | maher | horror_vacui: you want to use MAKEDEV to make the hdi devices |
| 07:05.21 | horror_vacui | maher: Installing with net-installer, sarge. On kernel installation, the mkinitrd fails. |
| 07:05.55 | maher | horror_vacui: grab a shell just before the error and run MAKEDEV to make the extra devices |
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| 07:06.29 | jm_ | maher: I thought installer uses devfs |
| 07:06.47 | horror_vacui | maher: You mean symlinking the /dev/ide/hostx/busx/...etc to /dev/hdi1 isn't enough? I see no difference. |
| 07:07.06 | maher | horror_vacui: jm_: well if it uses devfs something is very wrong then... |
| 07:07.15 | jm_ | maher: indeed ;) |
| 07:07.26 | deadcat | maher: egrep -ir "visa|mastercard|amex" HAHAHAHAH |
| 07:07.55 | maher | horror_vacui: dunno |
| 07:08.00 | maher | deadcat: ? |
| 07:08.04 | deadcat | maher: i dont know how this idiot got root on the system. )= |
| 07:08.28 | deadcat | maher: can barely follow the rootkit makefile. he ran ./make |
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| 07:09.13 | maher | deadcat: someone built a rootkit on the server? surely you're meant to install a binary rootkit... |
| 07:09.32 | jm_ | deadcat: there are several kernel bugs that have exploits and can be used once you managed to get a shell |
| 07:09.38 | deadcat | maher: ya. someone installed more than a rootkit |
| 07:09.40 | maher | horror_vacui: well try MAKEDEV and see if it works... |
| 07:09.45 | k3k0 | what is best terminal for X |
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| 07:09.52 | deadcat | jm_: must be. its using bf24 (= |
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| 07:10.08 | cafuego | horror_vacui: it doesn't install to /target, it runs in a chroot which has /target as / |
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| 07:10.45 | amahbod | hello all, i am trying to burn dvds in debian |
| 07:10.50 | horror_vacui | maher: Well, I could, but it means I'd have to start instaling from scratch. Otherwise, the "install base system" step craps out. |
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| 07:10.57 | amahbod | do any of you know of a graphical burning program |
| 07:11.01 | amahbod | that i can use |
| 07:11.16 | maher | horror_vacui: in what state is the machine atm |
| 07:11.17 | dabreegster | amahbod: arson |
| 07:11.27 | maher | amahbod: k3b |
| 07:11.35 | horror_vacui | cafuego: Well, that's what I meant. But it still uses the parent /dev's, chroot or not. |
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| 07:11.51 | horror_vacui | maher: Just after the failed install kernel step. |
| 07:12.11 | maher | horror_vacui: why can't you do MAKEDEV and try to install the kernel again |
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| 07:12.24 | horror_vacui | maher: (with some additional changes made during attempts to make it work). |
| 07:12.38 | ahewitt | hey all...I want to setup apache so that when someone on the net browses to www.mydomain.com/~username that apache does a lookup in an ldap database for the username and then points the user to the home directory. Can someone please tell me hoe I could go about this? I have found mod_ldap but this appears to relate only to authentication and not directory retreieval? |
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| 07:12.54 | horror_vacui | maher: Becauuse it isn't asking. It's part of the "install the base system" step, and that fails before I get to kernel installation. |
| 07:13.05 | vipe | amahbod: xcdroast ? |
| 07:13.13 | vipe | amahbod: dvdrecord :) |
| 07:13.28 | jm_ | ahewitt: doesn't apache use standard calls to get user's home directory? in that case it's a matter of configurins nsswitch etc. |
| 07:13.36 | maher | horror_vacui: can't you choose expert mode to get finer granularilty |
| 07:13.55 | A-z-i-z | during apt configuration, is it better to choose http or ftp ?? which is recommended ?? |
| 07:13.57 | horror_vacui | maher: I did. I started the installer with "expert26" |
| 07:14.00 | tarzeau | Sarge is out! |
| 07:14.18 | horror_vacui | tarzeau: Over here, it's not in yet. |
| 07:14.24 | maher | horror_vacui: ok - dunno - i have never used the new installer - you may be stuck are you on rc2 or rc3 |
| 07:14.28 | HenkPoley | Is it possible to have some settings in /boot/grub/menu.lst hardcoded (like the "timeout" value)? Which file would that be? |
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| 07:14.56 | HenkPoley | Edits are reverted on kernel upgrade |
| 07:15.09 | mross | Did many of the webmin modules get dropped from Sarge? |
| 07:15.12 | ahewitt | jm_: yeah but the 'standard' calls from my understanding relates only to the username, I am wanting to setup the directory structure to relate to unique id and the only way to correspond both the username and unique id will be through ldap |
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| 07:15.18 | horror_vacui | maher: I've no idea. It's the cd that has been laying around here for a couple of months. |
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| 07:15.24 | amahbod | arg. |
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| 07:15.30 | maher | horror_vacui: this bug may be fixed in rc3 |
| 07:15.43 | amahbod | my computer freezes if i have my cdrom drive mounted and run k3b |
| 07:15.55 | horror_vacui | maher: Is there a way to see which rc I am using? |
| 07:16.03 | maher | horror_vacui: dunno offhand |
| 07:16.16 | horror_vacui | maher: Ok, I'll try to find out. |
| 07:16.22 | tarzeau | horror_vacui: who -r |
| 07:16.25 | tarzeau | horror_vacui: or runlevel |
| 07:16.51 | jm_ | ahewitt: it will get an entry for the user using his/her username from whatever source you have configured |
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| 07:18.35 | chealer | horror_vacui: rc3 was released 20050323 or about |
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| 07:19.07 | chealer | amahbod: well, that's bad, what kernel are you running? |
| 07:19.22 | amahbod | chealer, 2.6.8 |
| 07:19.29 | horror_vacui | chealer: Oh, ok, the cd is older than that. |
| 07:19.39 | chealer | horror_vacui: it must be rc2 |
| 07:19.44 | mross | Hrm... Looks like many of the webmin-modules did get dropped from testing... Any idea why? |
| 07:19.45 | amahbod | chealer, 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 07:20.06 | jm_ | mross: /msg dpkg why is <package name> not in testing? |
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| 07:21.03 | chealer | amahbod: I'm running it too without such problem. you can't go to tty1 at all? |
| 07:21.16 | amahbod | chealer, tty1? |
| 07:21.29 | amahbod | chealer, what is tty1 |
| 07:21.29 | chealer | amahbod: what's in Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
| 07:21.57 | amahbod | um |
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| 07:22.09 | Xenguy | find question: I need to do a 'find', then run 'rename' on the files found, to change the extension. I'm not sure how to do this with 'find/xargs', and I'm trying to remember the more traditional *nix syntax for doing this operation -- can anyone help? |
| 07:22.09 | amahbod | nothing |
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| 07:22.15 | amahbod | chealer, since i had to restart... |
| 07:22.43 | maher | Xenguy: there are bash constructions fo rthis |
| 07:22.43 | chealer | amahbod: I was asking if you could go there when you think it's frozen |
| 07:22.52 | amahbod | chealer, i am trying to replicate the conditions |
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| 07:23.14 | amahbod | chealer, isnt mount -a the command to mount everything that is in my fstab |
| 07:23.20 | chealer | amahbod: if your X dies, you can still avoid a reboot if you can go to a tty |
| 07:23.26 | Xenguy | maher: I'm thinking 'exec' '{}' '\;' <-- but can't remember the proper syntax |
| 07:23.26 | gejun | hello, for a partition of size 37G, which type should I choose? |
| 07:23.27 | chealer | amahbod: I beliebe |
| 07:23.32 | p | hi. I'm trying to get a parallel port 100MB IOmega Zip drive working with testing. seems I should see positive results from a parport probe on boot but I don't. anyoen know what to do please? |
| 07:23.41 | maher | Xenguy: nor can i things like {foo.bar} |
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| 07:23.57 | Xenguy | maher: yer not helping ;-) |
| 07:24.48 | Rawplayer | does anyone know why a interface can dissapaer out of a bridge? |
| 07:24.58 | nvz | Xenguy: find blah | while read file; do rename $file.. |
| 07:25.23 | Rawplayer | i have tap0 and eth1.2 in a bridge but tap0 sometimes go's away from the bridge but tap0 is still up |
| 07:25.30 | gejun | anyone can help? |
| 07:25.43 | A-z-i-z | I'm in the "Debian software selection" configuraion menu... (After booting from a sarge netinstall).. I want to make sure that I will upgrade to sid... what do i do ?? |
| 07:25.47 | sep | Rawplayer: maybe tap0 have gone down and up again ? |
| 07:25.48 | amahbod | chealer, if i try to mount the cdrom drive when it is already mounted, should my computer freeze? |
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| 07:25.59 | Rawplayer | no no not possible |
| 07:26.07 | Xenguy | nvz: thanks - I'll make that 'Plan B' if I can't find (pun intended) the original formulation I'm looking for |
| 07:26.18 | gejun | I have created a Linux partition of size 500M and a Linux swap partition of size 2G. The disk is 40G |
| 07:26.20 | takatumi | A-z-i-z: why sid? |
| 07:26.25 | chealer | A-z-i-z: forget about the sid upgrade is your best option |
| 07:26.52 | A-z-i-z | I want to have the lastest packages |
| 07:26.56 | chealer | amahbod: heh, you can guess :) |
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| 07:27.05 | amahbod | chealer, no? |
| 07:27.10 | maher | A-z-i-z: what's wrong with packages that might actually work? |
| 07:27.12 | chealer | amahbod: of course not |
| 07:27.18 | xam | Xenguy: you mean something like 'find <path> -exec mv {} `basename {} .htm`.html \; |
| 07:27.49 | FlopsyPete | gejun: the default of ext3 should be a fine type, if thats the type of thing you're on about |
| 07:27.53 | jm_ | Xenguy: better option is to use rename or mmv |
| 07:28.03 | dabreegster | Sorry to keep asking this, somebody else who knows might be listening... Anybody know how to tell moosic to play one file, pause it, play another, then resume? When I tell it to do that, it doesn't resume it. I'm using esd and I've got it to work before without moosic using Ctrl+z and fg. |
| 07:28.05 | chealer | amahbod: why, did you find a way to reproduce? |
| 07:28.06 | amahbod | chealer, ARG! it is asking me for a file system type when i try to mount my blank dvd |
| 07:28.06 | Xenguy | xam: thanks - that's more like what I was envisioning, except I thought I'd just pass the found files off to 'rename' |
| 07:28.10 | A-z-i-z | maher: I heard that the unstable sid is more stable than many other stable distributions |
| 07:28.11 | takatumi | A-z-i-z: try booting with expert26 |
| 07:28.14 | amahbod | chealer, what should i put? |
| 07:28.24 | Xenguy | jm_: yep, the original idea |
| 07:28.33 | maher | A-z-i-z: well - its your funeral |
| 07:28.51 | amahbod | chealer, i think i found a way to reproduce |
| 07:28.53 | takatumi | A-z-i-z: but, testing would be more stable than unstable. |
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| 07:29.34 | Xenguy | A-z-i-z: if you are experienced, sid is OK, and security updates arrive sooner than with 'testing' I've found |
| 07:29.51 | Xenguy | A-z-i-z: I'm talking desktops tho, not servers |
| 07:29.58 | chealer | amahbod: how? # mount /media/cdrom \n mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy |
| 07:30.11 | A-z-i-z | I want to use it as desktop |
| 07:30.26 | amahbod | chealer, it isnt working |
| 07:30.34 | A-z-i-z | I'm in the "Debian software selection" configuraion menu... what do i do to upgrade to sid ?? |
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| 07:30.54 | bob2` | A-z-i-z: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using sid |
| 07:30.55 | Noldo | A-z-i-z: check the sarge installation manual |
| 07:30.59 | dondelelcaro | A-z-i-z: uh, if you have to ask that question, stick with sarge. |
| 07:30.59 | Xenguy | A-z-i-z: I've been doing it for years, and all seems well -- install 'apt-listbugs' or whatever it is called |
| 07:31.02 | bob2` | A-z-i-z: have you considered just using sarge? |
| 07:31.11 | xam | Xenguy: well, you can use 'rename', but I prefer stick to 'standard' commands, and not use stuff (ie. Perl) that might not be installed (on other unices) |
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| 07:31.34 | chealer | amahbod: what's not working? |
| 07:31.37 | Xenguy | xam: My deadline just says, get the job done ;-) but I hear ya |
| 07:32.00 | amahbod | chealer, replicating the problem is not working. |
| 07:32.01 | xam | Xenguy ;) |
| 07:32.02 | Xenguy | xam: I agree with that approach in general tho |
| 07:32.16 | takatumi | A-z-i-z: you can't from there, iirc. |
| 07:32.40 | chealer | amahbod: good :) maybe it was a hardware bug, if you are lucky |
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| 07:32.51 | amahbod | chealer, it has happened before |
| 07:32.59 | amahbod | chealer, but i did not know about ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 07:33.08 | amahbod | chealer, (atleast while x was running) |
| 07:33.11 | amahbod | chealer, thanks |
| 07:33.14 | chealer | amahbod: ah. next time try it. check if you can ssh to it if possible |
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| 07:33.24 | amahbod | chealer, interesting idea. |
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| 07:34.22 | amahbod | chealer, so back to trying to burn a dvd |
| 07:34.32 | amahbod | chealer, i dont have kde installed, so k3b doesnt work :( |
| 07:34.54 | chealer | amahbod: heh, I think I heard about gtoaster |
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| 07:35.02 | amahbod | chealer, does it have a gui? |
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| 07:35.16 | maher | amahbod: apt-get install k3b will get the dependencies |
| 07:35.22 | FlopsyPete | anyone know how to get parport to probe for my parallel port 100MB IOmega Zip on boot? |
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| 07:35.46 | amahbod | maher, it will for the program, but it depends other programs that it will not install (programs it invokes during runtime) |
| 07:35.59 | maher | amahbod: why won't they install? |
| 07:36.03 | roteskreuz | hello |
| 07:36.08 | amahbod | maher, dont know |
| 07:36.19 | amahbod | maher, but i tried burning and it said i was missing a program |
| 07:36.32 | maher | amahbod: what program |
| 07:36.50 | amahbod | maher, one second, i will replicate the problem |
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| 07:37.09 | chealer | amahbod: I never tried it. apt-cache show gtoaster |
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| 07:37.45 | dabreegster | Night. |
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| 07:37.49 | Cvbge | Hmm I need to build php4 with dbase, anyone has exparience with building php4.deb ? |
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| 07:37.56 | amahbod | chealer, what do you do to burn |
| 07:38.07 | chealer | amahbod: k3b |
| 07:38.17 | rixth | I found a bug in Firefox/Flash! I think. COuld anyone else see if it happens to them? |
| 07:38.24 | amahbod | chealer, i assume you run k3b? |
| 07:38.28 | amahbod | chealer, i mean kde |
| 07:38.32 | chealer | amahbod: yes |
| 07:38.43 | maher | amahbod: i don't run kde - k3b works |
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| 07:39.19 | FlopsyPete | rixth: you should probly try asking in irc.mozilla.org#mozillazine |
| 07:39.41 | amahbod | maher, replicated the problem |
| 07:39.54 | amahbod | maher, "Could not find growisofs executable" |
| 07:39.56 | rixth | FlopsyPete, shall do |
| 07:40.30 | jm_ | amahbod: isn't that message self explanatory? |
| 07:40.57 | maher | amahbod: dvdrtools <-- probably in there |
| 07:41.12 | Xenguy | xam: thanks again. This command worked nicely -> find . -iname *html -exec rename .html .php {} \; |
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| 07:41.32 | amahbod | maher, just installed dvdrtools, didnt work |
| 07:41.33 | xam | Xenguy np |
| 07:41.51 | maher | amahbod: use your noggin to find which package has it |
| 07:41.52 | amahbod | jm_, i cant find the package that contains that file |
| 07:41.58 | jm_ | amahbod: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:42.03 | maher | amahbod: packages.debian.org |
| 07:42.17 | amahbod | i did apt-cache search growisofs |
| 07:42.18 | FlopsyPete | maher: apt-get install growisofs. but you only need it if writing a DVD |
| 07:42.19 | amahbod | isnt that the same thing |
| 07:42.29 | amahbod | FlopsyPete, i tried that. |
| 07:42.32 | amahbod | didnt work |
| 07:42.33 | jm_ | no it's not the same thing |
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| 07:43.30 | FlopsyPete | maher: oh yeah, its dvd+rw-tools |
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| 07:44.59 | amahbod | doh, had to restart the program |
| 07:45.00 | amahbod | :) |
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| 07:46.22 | insertnamehere | I am having a problem with a linksys router. I have a dyndns.org account set up and it is directing fine, but if I try to use that name and I'm on my internal network, I get the login/password box for the linksys. Any ideas on a solution or can someone direct me to the proper channel? |
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| 07:47.32 | nagual | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.44 | nagual | insertnamehere: ^ |
| 07:47.48 | mross | insertnamehere: When you put in the hostname, what do you want to get? |
| 07:48.13 | mross | That was quick. Sm:)e. |
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| 07:51.04 | nagual | is it possible to resize partitions with and be quite certain not to loose data? |
| 07:51.46 | CharlesBrown | no |
| 07:51.59 | ivan | yea it is, i know you can with ntfs |
| 07:52.04 | jm_ | nagual: of course - make a backup |
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| 07:52.16 | nagual | oh yea, its ext3, should have mentioned that :) |
| 07:52.23 | nagual | and how would i do it? |
| 07:52.55 | sep | nagual: yes, you backup, repartition, format, and restore, no data loss |
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| 07:53.15 | SlayerXP | the Pope's dead. |
| 07:53.15 | nagual | hah |
| 07:53.18 | nagual | fair enough |
| 07:53.18 | sep | nagual: if your trying to resize without taking a backup first of any valuable data your quite insane |
| 07:53.30 | nagual | sep: thank you. |
| 07:53.42 | sep | nagual: but you could try with parted |
| 07:53.49 | nagual | i am insane, thats why i need to do this remotley, they wont let me out of here. |
| 07:54.06 | sep | nagual: i do all my backups remotely, whats your problem |
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| 07:54.12 | nagual | no space. |
| 07:54.22 | cafuego | SlayerXP: Long live the pope! |
| 07:54.27 | mrhemlock | nagual, I have seen partition magick do resize sucessfullly, unfotunatly it is commercial |
| 07:54.34 | Noldo | SlayerXP: really? |
| 07:54.43 | SlayerXP | Noldo: no |
| 07:54.46 | nagual | mrhemlock: i have seen partition magic fail too often, thanks though. |
| 07:54.47 | sep | nagual: how much data is this ? you get cheap removeable harddrives these days |
| 07:54.47 | SlayerXP | APRIL FOOL! |
| 07:54.53 | Noldo | SlayerXP: ha ha |
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| 07:55.08 | nagual | sep: ok, will you come here and convince the doctors im not insane so they let me out to buy some harddisks? |
| 07:55.12 | chealer | Long live the pope! |
| 07:55.17 | sep | nagual: webshop |
| 07:55.24 | nagual | sep: creditcard. |
| 07:55.37 | sep | nagual: i get bills in the mail |
| 07:55.52 | sep | i guess they dont trust you that far if your insane |
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| 07:56.13 | nagual | sep: you cant get a credit card if you are deemed unworthy to make your own decisions, i dont know what thats called in english. |
| 07:56.50 | nagual | the thing is, the doctors here are quite insane. |
| 07:57.18 | nagual | anyway, thanks for your help. and thanks for the laugh :) |
| 07:57.33 | mrhemlock | nagual, but they are just trying to help you |
| 07:57.44 | nagual | mrhemlock: who are? |
| 07:57.54 | bob2` | SlayerXP: that's almost as funny as freenode's "joke" |
| 07:58.10 | mrhemlock | the doctors |
| 07:58.14 | nagual | the pope is almost dead anyway, whats so funny about saying he is. |
| 07:58.33 | Cvbge | Hmm I need to build php4 with dbase, anyone has exparience with building php4.deb ? |
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| 07:58.40 | sep | nagual: i have a few 160 GB's lauing around the place, i could backup your data if you'd trust me with your root pw.... :)) |
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| 07:58.45 | nagual | mrhemlock: and you think i should listen to someone who is named after a herb that is quite commonly used to commit suicide? :) |
| 07:58.53 | nagual | sep: haha. ;-) |
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| 07:59.28 | cast | anyone got any ideas on why cat /dev/dsp returns nothing? mics smells like its working, when i set the volume to 0 in aumix you cant hear it through the speakers, at 100 you can hear it fine |
| 07:59.36 | mrhemlock | I am named after the common lisp emacs like editor |
| 07:59.50 | bob2` | Cvbge: php4-dbase - dBase module for php4 |
| 07:59.56 | bob2` | (it's already built) |
| 07:59.59 | Cvbge | bob2`: for woody only |
| 08:00.04 | cast | [/dev/dsp does return stuff, but not in direct response to sound] |
| 08:00.08 | bob2` | Cvbge: ew |
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| 08:00.13 | bob2` | woody's php is pretty crap |
| 08:00.18 | Cvbge | Yup |
| 08:00.34 | Cvbge | They have removed php4-dbase from testing/unstable not so long ago :( |
| 08:00.49 | nagual | mrhemlock: have you ever considered why blind people only have seeing people/animals as guides/helpers/pets? |
| 08:01.20 | chealer | bob2`: do you think the "sarge install guide" factoid can be updated? |
| 08:01.23 | mrhemlock | no, that is way to deep !! |
| 08:01.34 | bob2` | chealer: anyone can update factoids |
| 08:01.42 | bob2` | (I have no idea what it says atm) |
| 08:01.53 | chealer | !sarge install guide |
| 08:01.53 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge install guide is Stop. Right now. Get a woody netinst iso from http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ (blade's is good), and install the woody base system, NO MORE. modify /etc/apt/sources.list to point at sarge, then run apt-get-update. voila! |
| 08:02.00 | bob2` | hah |
| 08:02.30 | chealer | I asked to cafuego some time ago he said me there were still potential problems |
| 08:02.52 | bob2` | dpkg, no, sarge install guide is Sarge will r0x0r your s0x0r. For immediated rockage, hit http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and get the latest release candidate. Report problems to debian-boot@lists.debian.org! |
| 08:02.52 | dpkg | okay, bob2` |
| 08:03.31 | chealer | hahaha |
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| 08:04.55 | chealer | it's always funny to see things you don't really understand in l33t |
| 08:05.35 | zignig | chealer: wh4t 4r3 y0u t4lk1ng 4b0ut ? |
| 08:05.43 | chealer | l0l |
| 08:05.48 | bob2` | Cvbge: does backports.org have it? |
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| 08:06.47 | mross | Okay, since it appears Sarge is currently being broken (missing packages from the repositories and such)... so here's the crazy question: if I took a machine and downgraded it to woody (from a freshly installed sarge...) how much of my system would break? I know, stupid question... Sm:)e... |
| 08:07.10 | bob2` | you can't downgrade |
| 08:07.16 | zignig | bob2`: what's with the '`' ? |
| 08:07.19 | bob2` | "sm:)e" is not a word |
| 08:07.22 | bob2` | in what way is sarge broken? |
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| 08:07.56 | opteek | is mplayer not in the unstable tree??? |
| 08:08.08 | bob2` | opteek: it's not in any version of Debian |
| 08:08.10 | bob2` | opteek: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 08:08.17 | mrhemlock | !mplayer |
| 08:08.17 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 08:08.20 | bob2` | mross: no one is flaming you, just questioning your premise |
| 08:08.35 | mross | bobs`: There are packages that have been removed from Sarge, due to vulrabilities. Since Sarge isn't a "stable" os, they can do that. No worries, I knew I might have to deal with that since it's not stable yet. |
| 08:08.43 | bob2` | for example? |
| 08:08.46 | opteek | bob2: then why are there packages in the tree that depend on it? |
| 08:08.55 | bob2` | the only thing I can think of is bitchx |
| 08:08.56 | mross | webmin-apache |
| 08:09.01 | bob2` | but that's just because it's crap |
| 08:09.06 | bob2` | mross: if it's in sid, get it from there |
| 08:09.08 | bob2` | opteek: there aren't |
| 08:09.16 | bob2` | opteek: if there are, it's a serious bug |
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| 08:10.04 | pothead | hi, what's the debian setting in pam that makes sshd accept password authentication even when it's disabled in sshd_config? had to UsePAM no in the sshd_config to prevent users from logging in with passwords |
| 08:10.05 | opteek | bob2': both xmms-xmmplayer and mozilla-mplayer depend on it |
| 08:10.09 | mross | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=webmin-apache |
| 08:10.22 | sobersabre | is there a jack plugin for beep-media-player ? |
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| 08:10.38 | sobersabre | or a way to use XMMS plugins for beep-media-player |
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| 08:10.40 | sobersabre | ..... |
| 08:10.41 | sobersabre | ? |
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| 08:11.07 | bob2` | doubt that |
| 08:11.11 | bob2` | on both counts, really |
| 08:11.20 | nvz | I am ready to break this fucking game :/ 3rd night now, up past 3am on the same damn mission |
| 08:11.22 | bob2` | opteek: they're in contrib, not Debian main |
| 08:11.35 | bob2` | opteek: that's fine, you can get mplayer packages from the url the bot tolf you |
| 08:11.51 | sep | nvz: what game ? |
| 08:11.57 | nvz | sep: GTA-SA |
| 08:12.02 | sobersabre | nvz, which game ? |
| 08:12.09 | sobersabre | GTA-SA ... ? |
| 08:12.20 | nagual | nvz: tried a walkthrough for some nice tips/hints? :) |
| 08:12.29 | bob2` | nvz: addictive? |
| 08:12.36 | Cvbge | bob2`: no |
| 08:12.38 | bob2` | and does it run under wine/winex? |
| 08:12.39 | mross | sobersabre: Grand Theft Auto... |
| 08:12.45 | opteek | nvz: has it come out for the computer yet? |
| 08:12.48 | chealer | nvz: I'm trying neverball mehadi level 25... :) |
| 08:12.55 | sobersabre | bob2, don't you feel irc is addictive too ..... |
| 08:13.00 | nvz | Gran Theft Auto San Andreas there is a "Supply Lines" mission that seems to be impossible.. I've tried walkthroughs, cheats, you name it.. you cannot make it back to the roof of the electronics store after killing the 5 coriers without running out of fuel |
| 08:13.06 | bob2` | sobersabre: yes, but one I can break, since it annoys me so much ;) |
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| 08:13.30 | sobersabre | cheers all. i'm off |
| 08:13.32 | Sung | hmmm. |
| 08:13.33 | nvz | the walkthroughs say to stay on the ground and wait for them to come in close.. but it never happens, they just get further away it seems |
| 08:13.40 | mross | nvz: Check http://www.gamefaqs.com ? |
| 08:13.44 | bob2` | Sung: this is not an approriate place to ask for help with ubuntu |
| 08:13.53 | nvz | I dont go to websites.. thats what google is for |
| 08:13.55 | Sung | haha. |
| 08:14.00 | Sung | thanks. |
| 08:14.01 | nvz | I've probably been to hundreds |
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| 08:14.26 | mross | nvz: that's the only one I know... use it on occation... when I actualy get the chance to play. |
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| 08:17.03 | puter | hello. i am going to upgrde to sarge from woody, but i would also like to upgrde my kernel. which should i do first? |
| 08:17.42 | opteek | puter: doesnt really matter |
| 08:17.47 | sep | puter: if you want a 2.6 kernel you need to do the sarge part firsrt, i'd also replace lilo with grub before getting a 2.6 kernel-image |
| 08:17.56 | pothead | what's screwed in sarge, so that when I install sshd, and have UsePAM set to yes, and password authentication disabled, I can still use passwords to authenticate? |
| 08:18.09 | Noldo | sep: why do you need grub? |
| 08:18.22 | pothead | Irecall such a problem in sid a while ago |
| 08:18.25 | nvz | its pissing me off :P I went and did all the other missions I could do tonight.. I am still stuck on this one, and I cant even find a way cheating to beat it :P |
| 08:18.38 | mross | puter: I'd do the sarge update first. The kernel will be happy upgrading later, and it's always good to use a stable kernel, or at least have on to fall back too. |
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| 08:18.59 | puter | yay. okay. i will do the sarge part first |
| 08:19.04 | sep | Noldo: you dont _need_ it, but debians kernel-images autoupdate the grub config and it's the default in sarge installer and it works realy slick and you have recover options in case you mess up with grubs commandline on boot |
| 08:19.06 | puter | thanks guys |
| 08:19.08 | sep | and i realy like it |
| 08:19.42 | Noldo | sep: I have had no problems with lilo and the symlink trickery |
| 08:19.49 | nvz | I don't play this game for the missions, they are just obsticals in my way of wreaking havoc across the whole map and doing what I want |
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| 08:30.50 | opteek | is sun-j2sdk1.5 not in the tree because of licensing issues? |
| 08:30.58 | kaner | yes |
| 08:32.44 | CharlesBrown | debian sarge dvd? |
| 08:32.47 | CharlesBrown | Does that exist? |
| 08:32.57 | zinx | unofficially maybe |
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| 08:33.20 | bob2` | CharlesBrown: yeah |
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| 08:34.42 | kuru | on the IBM site it says: Supported only in panning mode on LCD |
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| 08:34.46 | kuru | for high resolutions |
| 08:34.49 | kuru | what does that mean? |
| 08:34.54 | kuru | http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-57839 |
| 08:35.01 | kuru | this is what I want to get |
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| 08:36.11 | zinx | kuru: you're looking for the actual number of pixels |
| 08:36.43 | zinx | kuru: it comes in sizes from 1024x768 to 1600x1200 |
| 08:36.49 | kuru | zinx, well, all I want to know is, will I be able to run X on 2048x1536 or not. |
| 08:37.02 | MoDaX | the topic is wrong about kde3.4 packages. they are available (only experimental quality though) |
| 08:37.33 | zinx | kuru: yes, but your screen will only have up to 1600x1200 pixels. |
| 08:37.42 | kuru | zinx, Ah.. I see. |
| 08:37.50 | zinx | kuru: thus, you'll get the scrolling desktop |
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| 08:38.01 | kuru | zinx, but it has those * notes starting on the 1280x1024 |
| 08:38.03 | zinx | kuru: (move to edge of screen, the screen moves) |
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| 08:38.14 | bob2` | kuru: that also affects what it can run on the vga port |
| 08:38.16 | kuru | zinx, so effectively all I get is 1024x768 on screen |
| 08:38.20 | zinx | kuru: i dunno what that's about, they're probably showing it for the lowest one |
| 08:38.20 | bob2` | which probably works under linux nowadays |
| 08:38.24 | zinx | kuru: no |
| 08:38.29 | bob2` | kuru: there is a 1600x1200 version of the t42 |
| 08:38.37 | kuru | bob2, which one is it? |
| 08:38.39 | zinx | kuru: you can get anywhere from a 1024x768 to a 1600x1200 |
| 08:39.02 | kuru | bob2, is there any specific model you recommend (even if non-ibm)? |
| 08:39.14 | kuru | zinx, from what you're saying and that spec sheet I'm not sure that is entirely correct |
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| 08:39.52 | bob2` | kuru: I quite like ibm laptops |
| 08:39.55 | zinx | kuru: it comes with different sizes/resolutions of screen |
| 08:39.57 | bob2` | my x40 is a thing of beauty |
| 08:39.59 | zinx | kuru: that's pretty common. |
| 08:40.04 | bob2` | and a few people I work with have t42's and love them too |
| 08:40.10 | zinx | kuru: you buy one with whatever size you want. |
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| 08:40.22 | kuru | bob2, hrmm.. any real difference between the x and t models? |
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| 08:40.37 | bob2` | kuru: x's focus on being fucking tiny |
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| 08:40.48 | FlimFlamMan | is sun jdk1.5 flaky on debian-testing? |
| 08:40.48 | kuru | zinx, the availabilties here (where I live) are limited, so I don't have the entire range to pick and choose from |
| 08:40.49 | bob2` | mine weighs 1.2kg, but only has a 12" screen and no cd |
| 08:40.53 | kuru | bob2, ah.. not for me |
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| 08:40.56 | bob2` | t's are more desktop replacements |
| 08:40.59 | kuru | bob2, I'm looking for a desktop replacement |
| 08:41.02 | bob2` | big beautiful screens, dvd, etc |
| 08:41.06 | zinx | kuru: well, just note that the number of pixels the monitor has is what matters |
| 08:41.09 | bob2` | yeah, t is cool, and still pretty light |
| 08:41.16 | zinx | kuru: the "supported resolutions" are mostly pointless with LCDs |
| 08:41.28 | bob2` | kuru: you need to look up specific models of the T42 to see what the res is |
| 08:41.40 | eriks | im using a laptop for just work, documents, internet, any recommended ways i should partition my hdd? will just a swap and a / do fine? |
| 08:41.41 | kuru | zinx, so what in that page linked should I look for exactly? |
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| 08:41.57 | zinx | kuru: the resolution of the monitor.... |
| 08:42.07 | zinx | kuru: that page you wrote isn't a specific model |
| 08:42.20 | kuru | zinx, yeah I know |
| 08:42.31 | bob2` | eriks: I like to make a seperate /home so I can reinstall / easily |
| 08:42.32 | kuru | ok, so look at resolution and go with that, period |
| 08:42.36 | zinx | kuru: it lists 4 or 5 different sizes of monitor |
| 08:42.46 | zinx | kuru: right, the actual resolution of the screen |
| 08:43.10 | zinx | kuru: LCDs have one actual resolution, and can't really do anything else |
| 08:43.19 | eriks | bob2, ah thanks... !! |
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| 08:43.28 | zinx | kuru: for lower resolutions, they just do linear scaling usually, which looks like crap :) |
| 08:43.32 | CharlesBrown | How can I take a video of my monitor |
| 08:43.37 | CharlesBrown | Not like a screenshot, but a video. |
| 08:43.38 | kuru | zinx, ah.. interestin. |
| 08:43.40 | CharlesBrown | Like 2 minutes long. |
| 08:43.44 | jm_ | CharlesBrown: xvidcap |
| 08:43.45 | zinx | kuru: i don't know why they're bothering to listing higher resolutions :/ |
| 08:43.45 | bob2` | kuru: http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?categoryId=2049168&storeId=1&catalogId=-840&langId=-1 |
| 08:43.48 | zinx | erh, s/listing/list/ |
| 08:43.50 | bob2` | kuru: rread that page |
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| 08:44.28 | bob2` | kuru: e.g., http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=8713486&storeId=1&langId=-1&categoryId=2049168&dualCurrId=73&catalogId=-840 is 1600x1200 |
| 08:44.56 | jm_ | lovely |
| 08:45.24 | bob2` | hrm, longer than I thought, sorry |
| 08:45.49 | jm_ | luckily firefox has tinyurl extension ;) |
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| 08:48.13 | guorke | where online english-english dictionary which not need proxy? |
| 08:48.14 | FlimFlamMan | is sun jdk1.5 flaky on debian-testing? i'm noticing some weird problems in tomcat like failed jdbc realm lookups requiring a restart, and other miscellaneous flakiness |
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| 08:49.16 | kuru | bob2, thanks |
| 08:49.40 | bob2` | guorke: dictionary.org |
| 08:50.16 | ^marcs | hello, can you tell me it is truth that debian's iso snapshots are updated weekly? |
| 08:50.36 | Cvbge | ~i~s(non-free|contrib) in aptitude limits packages to installed and in section contrib or non-free? |
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| 08:50.50 | guorke | thanks,bob2 |
| 08:51.46 | york | close |
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| 08:52.42 | guorke | maybe err |
| 08:52.42 | simonrvn | grr, why are my fonts all fucked |
| 08:52.56 | guorke | it's a list of some directory |
| 08:54.14 | directhex|work | simonrvn, sorry, that was me, won't do it again |
| 08:54.19 | xam | anyone looked at the gmail homepage lately? wonder whether that's an april's fool |
| 08:54.35 | simonrvn | directhex|work: you bad boy |
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| 08:58.13 | pothead | what's screwed in either sshd_config or pam, that lets user use passwords to authenticate if both UsePAM yes and PasswordAUthentication noin sshd_config ? |
| 08:58.35 | pothead | that's on a sarge box |
| 08:58.52 | pothead | I recall such a problem on sid a while ago but can't remember the fix nor find any associated bug (yet) |
| 08:58.54 | kenboo | pothead, i hate that too. |
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| 08:59.12 | kenboo | i commented out UsePAM yes |
| 08:59.31 | peanut | Is there a package to tell me what ram I have in my box? i.e. the type of ram, not the amount. |
| 08:59.55 | caphuso | pothead: /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 08:59.58 | pothead | kenboo: more than hating it, I consider that a security risk, and I have UsePAM no too now. tho on the other sid box I have, which had the problem in the past as well, I now have UsePAM and no password auth.. too bad I can't login at the moment to check |
| 09:00.45 | chealer | is there an easy way to clear the disk cache in RAM? (for benchmarks by example) |
| 09:00.47 | pothead | caphuso: should I disable common-auth there? |
| 09:01.01 | jm_ | chealer: reboot |
| 09:01.08 | chealer | jm_: ur, yeah |
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| 09:01.58 | caphuso | pothead: does /etc/pam.d/common-auth look like you'd want to use it when people log in via ssh? |
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| 09:04.13 | simonrvn | change your supplier, s/he's selling you bad pot |
| 09:04.17 | blight | hi all, how does one increase /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail ? |
| 09:04.38 | jm_ | by banging on the keyboard like crazy |
| 09:04.44 | simonrvn | blight: find /usr -iname foo |
| 09:05.00 | simonrvn | then kill it when you've got enough |
| 09:07.06 | blight | simonrvn: doesn't do much ... also tried ls -alR to generate entropy but nothinng |
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| 09:07.28 | simonrvn | keep hammering at the kbd like jm_ said |
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| 09:07.49 | simonrvn | if you have a mouse, move that around a lot too |
| 09:08.02 | blight | simonrvn: this is through ssh connection ... |
| 09:08.33 | simonrvn | keep it up... just be patient |
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| 09:09.19 | blight | simonrvn: is this something I'm going to have to do on a regular basis for my servers (considering an OS switch to Debian) |
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| 09:10.06 | jm_ | blight: what are you doing? |
| 09:10.09 | blight | simonrvn: or is this due to maybe faulty hardware? |
| 09:10.19 | simonrvn | blight: get a hardware entropy card for one of them, and feed the other machines. there's various things to help with that. |
| 09:10.23 | blight | simonrvn: or maybe an upgrade to 2.6.x kernel will fix? |
| 09:10.28 | simonrvn | no... |
| 09:11.02 | simonrvn | do some research, you'll find stuff |
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| 09:11.14 | blight | jm_: well I tried banging on the keyboard for a few minutes, tried generating some disk activity ... I've rebooted the damn thing now |
| 09:11.21 | blight | simonrvn: okay thanks |
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| 09:12.00 | simonrvn | reboot won't help, in fact it'll make the pool worse off. better to just work through it |
| 09:12.02 | pabs3 | anyone have a clue why I would get this message at Ctrl+d on a bash shell? 'Use "logout" to leave the shell.' |
| 09:12.43 | jm_ | pabs3: it's explained in the man page |
| 09:13.17 | pabs3 | excellent |
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| 09:16.25 | zulkifar | I use cdparanoia for grabbing CDDAs and would like to speedup process. I have pretty modern drive (SD-R2101) and doubt if it works at its maximum speed now. How can I know current actual reading speed and change it if needed. The -S cdparanoia switch seems do nothing. |
| 09:16.52 | jm_ | zulkifar: measure how long it takes to rip one track |
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| 09:17.37 | jm_ | zulkifar: it's probably using paranoia switches which slows things down - and that's exactly one of the reasons people use cdparanoia for, because they get a good rip |
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| 09:19.21 | zulkifar | jm_: -S is for 'exact this speed' or 'not faster then this speed'? In other words - is it safe to set -S 40? |
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| 09:23.56 | estel | hi |
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| 09:24.10 | estel | where can i download debian sarge cd-imageS? |
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| 09:24.26 | drac | !d-i estel |
| 09:24.27 | dpkg | estel, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 09:25.18 | estel | but there are only stable cd images? |
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| 09:27.44 | seppdepp | eXCaLiBuR: please do not p me any porn spam. |
| 09:27.50 | foobared | shouldn't this eXCaLiBuR kickbanned? :( |
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| 09:28.14 | foobared | seppdepp: a bot probably... |
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| 09:28.46 | caphuso | seppdepp: use "!ops excalibur is a spambot" next time |
| 09:28.50 | pothead | caphuso: sorry I got a phone call. as for pam, I ll just rtfm and know what should remain in pam.d/ssh :) |
| 09:29.01 | seppdepp | one question. Can i access the Selection Menu from the debian installer that allows me to install mail-server x-server etc. while installing debian sarge? |
| 09:29.08 | caphuso | pothead: good idea :) |
| 09:29.17 | pothead | heh |
| 09:29.18 | seppdepp | caphuso: a i did not know that command. |
| 09:29.32 | simonrvn | pothead++ for thinking of rtfm |
| 09:29.41 | pothead | heh |
| 09:29.41 | Guerin | hence "next time" |
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| 09:30.15 | caphuso | seppdepp: that's alright. nobody expected you to know it without being told :) |
| 09:30.30 | zahod | seppdepp, tasksel? |
| 09:30.32 | seppdepp | thank you. |
| 09:30.47 | seppdepp | zahod: yess!!! thanks! |
| 09:30.49 | lmr | I want install shared LBP-800 printer and I configued samba as we ll one debian box. Ican see every one in the network but don't know how to install printer |
| 09:31.24 | lmr | any help ? |
| 09:31.42 | karsten | !tell lmr about cups |
| 09:32.18 | karsten | lmr: Is the printer _on_ your Linux box or shared via Samba/CIFS on another system? |
| 09:33.22 | lmr | in win box but I can get the files since samba is there even printer I can see |
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| 09:34.07 | karsten | lmr: Install it in CUPS as a networked printer. |
| 09:34.16 | karsten | lmr: What's your native language? |
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| 09:35.07 | lmr | turkish |
| 09:35.26 | sussudio | meh |
| 09:35.34 | karsten | lmr: OK. Your english is good, just slightly different. |
| 09:35.37 | lmr | sorry about the poor English |
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| 09:36.00 | karsten | lmr: No problem. I'll try to be clear. |
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| 09:36.23 | lmr | karsten: thanks a lot |
| 09:36.30 | lmr | cups already installed |
| 09:36.58 | lmr | thats what I'm checking now but no idea about that let me read the web first |
| 09:37.02 | lmr | bye thanks a lot |
| 09:37.06 | karsten | lmr: http://localhost:631/ |
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| 09:37.20 | karsten | lmr: That's the CUPs configuration page. |
| 09:37.34 | lmr | ok |
| 09:37.37 | lmr | cool |
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| 09:37.50 | karsten | lmr: Log in as root, root password, when it prompts you. |
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| 09:38.00 | karsten | There's online documentation linked from teh configuration pages. |
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| 09:39.11 | lmr | ok thanks a lot |
| 09:39.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:40.20 | simonrvn | the autohinter works better than the "CRT" hinter |
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| 09:41.40 | karsten | !give simonrvn a ice cold beer |
| 09:41.41 | dpkg | give simonrvn a ice cold beer |
| 09:41.48 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 09:41.50 | karsten | Hrm. |
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| 09:42.06 | simonrvn | @beer karsten |
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| 09:42.31 | pothead | §lart AIX for being such a lame unix |
| 09:42.32 | karsten | !give somebody something. |
| 09:42.32 | dpkg | give somebody something. |
| 09:42.40 | Overand | AIX is odd. |
| 09:42.44 | pothead | aix is teh suck |
| 09:42.51 | Overand | one of my friends has to use it a lot |
| 09:42.52 | pothead | at least when you're not used to it |
| 09:43.11 | karsten | Overand: Isn't it just? |
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| 09:44.58 | pingouin | tu vas ou ? |
| 09:45.21 | simonrvn | qui ça? |
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| 09:47.20 | vir182 | does anyone of you have luck to get Xen 2.0 to run on debian unstable (on a laptop)? |
| 09:47.37 | jayc_ | what's the trick to get grub-splashimages to work? the update-grub script looks for /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz which isn't supplied in grub-splashimages so are you supposed to symlink one to that filename or copy the file and rename it? I've tried both, can't get it to work help me out if ya can thx in adv |
| 09:47.50 | jm_ | jayc_: the trick is to read the docs |
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| 09:48.04 | lmr | kerstan: I want to use shared printer in the network (network running under win 2000) so printer installed in win 2000. is it possible to use that printer while I'm in linux |
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| 09:48.26 | jm_ | lmr: yes, CUPS can print to them fine, as long as you have PPD for it |
| 09:48.42 | lmr | PPD ? |
| 09:48.56 | simonrvn | printer something description |
| 09:49.02 | caphuso | postscript printer definition |
| 09:49.07 | simonrvn | :) |
| 09:49.09 | jayc_ | jm_: read all the docs that came in the package grub-splashimages and followed the instructions exactly, and it did not work at all! looked at update-grub script and found reference to /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz and tried fooling with that |
| 09:49.13 | jm_ | jayc_: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
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| 09:49.59 | lmr | ok cool thatnks. I though CUPS is for linux printer sharing otherway around |
| 09:50.02 | lmr | ok ok |
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| 09:50.17 | jm_ | no, it can also work as a client that sends job to another server |
| 09:50.22 | sameer | hello |
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| 09:50.51 | sameer | can someone tell mee wheere i can find thee boot up meessages |
| 09:51.01 | liable | can you read a .gz file from a tty without un compressing it? |
| 09:51.05 | caphuso | sameer: /var/log/dmesg |
| 09:51.20 | Syph0n | liable: zcat |
| 09:51.27 | jm_ | liable: no, you have to decompress it first, but some tools do that for you so it's transparent |
| 09:51.32 | caphuso | liable: no, but you can uncompress it on the fly via zcat/zless/zmore/lynx/less with lessfile/... |
| 09:51.36 | jm_ | liable: man lesspipe |
| 09:51.48 | liable | ok thanks all |
| 09:52.18 | jm_ | vim/view also does the same |
| 09:52.28 | foobared | liable: zless file.gz |
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| 09:53.08 | liable | cheers, off to read |
| 09:53.25 | sameer | caphuso : it only shows till init |
| 09:53.39 | sameer | caphuso i want to see afteer that |
| 09:53.40 | caphuso | sameer: do you have bootlogd enabled? |
| 09:53.45 | simonrvn | then run bootlogd |
| 09:53.46 | sameer | dont kno |
| 09:53.59 | sameer | how do i know |
| 09:54.05 | caphuso | sameer: do you have a /var/log/boot? |
| 09:54.11 | sameer | nope |
| 09:54.14 | sameer | i dont |
| 09:54.25 | caphuso | sameer: then you don't have those messages logged |
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| 09:54.38 | caphuso | check /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 09:54.44 | sameer | ok i ran bootlogd from the /etc/init.d |
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| 09:54.59 | sameer | now will i geet the messages now? |
| 09:55.01 | caphuso | sameer: that's, uhm, incredibly pointless |
| 09:55.08 | lmr | I checked my Debian box seems to me cups installed but cupsdconf not working but cups-config all there I checked 631 port no nothing like that opened |
| 09:55.10 | simonrvn | um. only after ... |
| 09:55.23 | lmr | jm_: ? |
| 09:55.33 | caphuso | you need to use /etc/init.d/timetravel now to get those messages ;-) |
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| 09:55.55 | sameer | how can i run bootlogd each time my m/c boots |
| 09:55.55 | xam | lmr: make sure you've installed 'swat' |
| 09:56.09 | lmr | swat ? |
| 09:56.11 | simonrvn | caphuso: hehe |
| 09:56.14 | lmr | what is that |
| 09:56.18 | xam | lmr: sorry, wrong package |
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| 09:56.28 | jm_ | lmr: http://localhost:631/ ... |
| 09:56.28 | xam | lmr: I was thinking about samba ;) |
| 09:56.29 | simonrvn | "m/c"? |
| 09:56.43 | sameer | machine |
| 09:56.46 | lmr | jm_: no I checked |
| 09:56.51 | caphuso | sameer: again, check /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 09:56.51 | jm_ | sameer: /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 09:56.57 | jm_ | lmr: then it's not running |
| 09:57.14 | lmr | but cups-config everything is there |
| 09:57.28 | jm_ | I don't know about cups-config, I don't use that |
| 09:57.41 | lmr | cupsdconf gives error msg couldn't connet to servre |
| 09:57.58 | jm_ | so install it and start it |
| 09:58.08 | sameer | ok now if i enable /etc/default/bootlogd .. will it work |
| 09:58.41 | chealer | sameer: sometimes yes, sometimes no |
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| 09:59.25 | simonrvn | only when it feels like it |
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| 10:00.15 | chealer | hehehe. sameer: what I meant is for some setups it doesn't (man bootlogd) |
| 10:00.16 | lmr | apt-get install cups wont work |
| 10:00.26 | jm_ | that's because package is not called cups |
| 10:00.48 | sameer | ok thanx caphuso , simon , jm , chealer and otheers |
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| 10:01.04 | lmr | ohic |
| 10:01.38 | lmr | well IU think I have to start reading then |
| 10:01.43 | lmr | thanks jm_: |
| 10:01.53 | jm_ | no worries |
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| 10:05.34 | Syph0n | lmr: apt-get install cupsys |
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| 10:08.45 | poonj | hey guys..in openoffice, how could I add more fonts? |
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| 10:09.12 | mejo | for some reason, vim cannot create swap files any more, and I'm not able to login any more on x. |
| 10:09.30 | simonrvn | mejo: df |
| 10:09.36 | cafuego | mejo: Your disk is full, then. |
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| 10:10.14 | EvanCarroll | the d-i installs 2.4 by default correct? |
| 10:10.22 | mejo | cafuego: yea ... |
| 10:10.33 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: Yes, unless you boot with 'linux26' |
| 10:10.38 | pothead | uaip |
| 10:10.46 | pothead | oops wrong window |
| 10:10.48 | cafuego | mejo: Run 'apt-get clean' |
| 10:10.51 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: just checking thats what i thought =D |
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| 10:11.09 | mejo | cafuego: no, it's only my /home fs. |
| 10:11.17 | mejo | have to leave to unmount /home ;) |
| 10:11.21 | cafuego | mejo: Ah ok. Delete the pron ;-) |
| 10:11.25 | simonrvn | separate /var++ |
| 10:11.26 | idnar | unmount? |
| 10:12.09 | cafuego | simonrvn: Losing mail coz /var/cache is full suxors too. |
| 10:13.25 | simonrvn | separate /var/spool ;) |
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| 10:13.57 | netvoodoo | joer |
| 10:14.01 | netvoodoo | he visto eso del ping |
| 10:14.11 | netvoodoo | se lo he hecho al canal |
| 10:14.14 | netvoodoo | y no podía parar |
| 10:14.18 | netvoodoo | he tenido que cerrar |
| 10:14.19 | netvoodoo | :( |
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| 10:14.39 | Active2 | netvoodoo: i think you need to speak english here ;) |
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| 10:14.44 | Active2 | i can't understand you this way |
| 10:15.00 | mrhemlock | !es |
| 10:15.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:15.04 | netvoodoo | ohh |
| 10:15.05 | netvoodoo | sorry |
| 10:15.57 | netvoodoo | i forget the -es in /join |
| 10:15.59 | netvoodoo | ;) |
| 10:16.03 | Active2 | :) |
| 10:16.31 | Rawplayer | :) |
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| 10:17.09 | lmr | thanks it works now |
| 10:17.12 | Active2 | ey Rawplayer |
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| 10:20.09 | EvanCarroll | !:) |
| 10:20.12 | dpkg | oh, so nice to see you smile! |
| 10:20.46 | mrhemlock | !botsnack |
| 10:20.47 | dpkg | aw, gee, mrhemlock |
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| 10:21.10 | rob^ | hi |
| 10:21.33 | mrhemlock | !ask |
| 10:21.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 10:23.58 | spire | What debian package should I install in order to get wma-support in gstreamer? |
| 10:24.09 | Guerin | eew, gstreamer |
| 10:24.17 | cafuego | w32codecs (/msg dpkg marillat) |
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| 10:24.24 | ciga | hi |
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| 10:25.12 | ciga | I have a warning when I try to write dvd on sarge. 'Warning: The related libscg interface code is in pre alpha.' I try to write a dvd with ATAPI:/dev/hdd |
| 10:25.29 | cafuego | ciga: Well, there you go. |
| 10:25.32 | try_catch_this | you are mistaken; I do the throwing |
| 10:26.49 | cafuego | ciga: it means Jörg Schilling has not as of yet finished ATAPI DVD code. I imagine it would work fine if you bought his non-free DVD software. |
| 10:26.57 | Guerin | <title>Planet Ubuntu</title> # from source of http://planet.debian.net |
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| 10:27.13 | cafuego | Guerin: They're everywhere! |
| 10:27.16 | Guerin | <humour type="gallows"> |
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| 10:27.33 | cafuego | Guerin: class or id please. |
| 10:27.44 | Guerin | cafuego: fair enough :) |
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| 10:28.24 | liable | can you copy and paste from one tty to another |
| 10:28.26 | cafuego | Ubuntus april1 joke was funny if scary, though |
| 10:28.33 | cafuego | liable: Yes, With 'gpm'. |
| 10:28.34 | Guerin | oh, I missed it |
| 10:28.46 | cafuego | Guerin: http://www.cafuego.net/stuff/ubuntu1.jpg |
| 10:28.47 | Guerin | i missed all the 4/1 stupidity, actually |
| 10:29.03 | Guerin | except a whole class of middle school girls pretended to have jumped out a 3rd-floor window |
| 10:29.10 | cafuego | zajacraf: DO NOT |
| 10:29.28 | liable | cafuego: thanks |
| 10:29.28 | zajacraf | ok |
| 10:29.38 | zajacraf | this is mu first time |
| 10:29.39 | zajacraf | sorry |
| 10:29.47 | cafuego | Guerin: Imagine my horror as THAT was displayed as my login screen. |
| 10:30.07 | Guerin | cafuego: haha |
| 10:30.11 | cafuego | µ |
| 10:30.20 | cafuego | zajacraf: Don't click it if you don't know what it does. |
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| 10:30.42 | zajacraf | i don't have any mouse:-) |
| 10:31.05 | cafuego | Hæmoglobin. |
| 10:31.24 | Guerin | oh, it's not yet fool day in the US, is it? |
| 10:31.32 | cafuego | Guerin: The girls didn't jump? |
| 10:31.33 | Guerin | that's why there's been no stupidity yet |
| 10:31.38 | spo0nman | zajacraf: It should be I don't have a mouse or I don't have any mice. |
| 10:31.40 | Guerin | cafuego: sadly, nope. |
| 10:31.46 | cafuego | Guerin: It's been foll day there every day since the previous elections. |
| 10:31.55 | Guerin | cafuego: we did throw all their shoes down on them, though |
| 10:32.09 | Guerin | cafuego: touché |
| 10:32.59 | spo0nman | Guerin: whats the character i cant see? |
| 10:33.12 | drac | pound? |
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| 10:33.15 | cafuego | spo0nman: %eacute; |
| 10:33.26 | cafuego | spo0nman: 'é' even |
| 10:33.29 | Guerin | spo0nman: an é |
| 10:33.38 | spo0nman | Guerin: very funny. |
| 10:33.43 | cafuego | spo0nman: Not an è |
| 10:34.03 | cafuego | spo0nman: or an ê or ë |
| 10:34.17 | liable | my locales must be up shit creek, cause I keep seeing weird characters |
| 10:34.27 | Guerin | utf-8 owns you |
| 10:35.05 | cafuego | liable: On decently configured terminals they show up as letters with accents. |
| 10:35.28 | cafuego | Q: How stupid is a winery website that asks if you are of legal drinking age before you can enter the site? |
| 10:35.57 | Guerin | A: amäzingly |
| 10:36.12 | liable | cafuego: ok, this is a fresh install with no x yet |
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| 10:36.40 | Guerin | !si |
| 10:36.40 | dpkg | i heard si is self-injury |
| 10:36.44 | Guerin | !.si |
| 10:36.44 | dpkg | well, .si is Slovenia |
| 10:36.53 | Guerin | !botsnack |
| 10:36.53 | dpkg | aw, gee, Guerin |
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| 10:37.49 | Guerin | cafuego: maybe they've implemented free-sample over tcp/ip |
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| 10:39.07 | Albacker | should I put anythng else in debian sources.list ? : |
| 10:39.08 | Albacker | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 10:39.08 | Albacker | deb ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 10:39.12 | puter | hey. how do i stop debian from going to the graphical login prompt? |
| 10:39.25 | Guerin | puter: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 10:39.30 | Guerin | Albacker: suck and see |
| 10:39.40 | Albacker | Guerin ? |
| 10:39.45 | Guerin | Albacker: try it |
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| 10:39.49 | Albacker | Guein, |
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| 10:39.56 | Albacker | edit /etc/inittab |
| 10:40.06 | Guerin | Albacker: no, I don't think I will |
| 10:40.31 | Albacker | Guerin, to stop the GUI login prompt you have to |
| 10:40.36 | Albacker | # The default runlevel. |
| 10:40.36 | Albacker | id:5:initdefault: |
| 10:40.40 | Albacker | change this to : |
| 10:40.40 | Albacker | # The default runlevel. |
| 10:40.41 | Albacker | id:3:initdefault: |
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| 10:40.47 | simonrvn | edit inittab for what? |
| 10:40.51 | simonrvn | Albacker: *bzzt* |
| 10:40.52 | directhex|work | Albacker, you're an idiot |
| 10:40.58 | Guerin | Albacker: you, my fine feathered friend, are dead wrong. |
| 10:41.00 | LaVey | mornin all |
| 10:41.10 | simonrvn | Albacker: go back to #redhat |
| 10:41.11 | Guerin | and an idiot |
| 10:41.24 | Guerin | !tell Albacker about nodm |
| 10:42.03 | Albacker | hey, dude I didnt ofend anyone. |
| 10:42.20 | Guerin | !iydkdg |
| 10:42.20 | dpkg | If you don't know, don't guess |
| 10:42.34 | SammyTheSnake | I'm trying to get phpmyadmin running on my machine, but I keep getting PHP errors, such as "mysql_errno(): 1078548160 is not a valid MySQL-Link resource" any ideas?~" |
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| 10:42.49 | Guerin | !.al |
| 10:42.53 | nagual | where is .al? |
| 10:42.55 | Guerin | albania? |
| 10:43.02 | nagual | they have internet there? |
| 10:43.14 | ivan | SammyTheSnake, did you install it through apt? |
| 10:43.20 | Guerin | yeah, a little |
| 10:43.24 | nagual | ,-) |
| 10:43.32 | Guerin | nagual: seen Before the Rain? |
| 10:43.39 | nagual | Guerin: yes. |
| 10:43.48 | Guerin | nagual: what a movie. |
| 10:43.56 | SammyTheSnake | ivan: yes |
| 10:43.58 | nagual | thats ~ 10 years old right? (im pretty bad with names:) |
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| 10:44.13 | Guerin | nagual: yeah '95 or so, Milcho Manchevski |
| 10:44.31 | nagual | Guerin: yea, it got great reviews, and everyone i know liked it, but i was never quite fond of it tbh, not that i thought it was bad, it just didnt appeal to me that much |
| 10:44.36 | nagual | Guerin: yea, thats the one |
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| 10:44.40 | SammyTheSnake | ivan: I can log in, but it usually half-draws the console, with a few errors on the page, then redirects me to the login page :( |
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| 10:44.55 | simonrvn | @al |
| 10:44.55 | Guerin | nagual: i love balkan cinema, and haven't seen nearly enough of it |
| 10:44.56 | ravenbird | al is, like, Albania |
| 10:45.03 | SammyTheSnake | I also get "Warning: mysql: Unable to register functions, unable to load in Unknown on line 0" |
| 10:45.05 | LaVey | ok.. i have my dhcp set up correctly now, and want to set up x, i've used a mini cd to get a basic setup on.. where should i go to finish up ? |
| 10:45.28 | SammyTheSnake | followed by a long list of errors like Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /usr/share/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php:850) |
| 10:45.31 | nagual | Guerin: did you see, hmm, whats that called, 2 soldiers get stuck inbetween enemy lines.. cant remember the name right now |
| 10:45.38 | drac | Hey! I'm using XFCE 4.2.1.1, from os-works.com, I have also gnome installed, but no parts of it running. I upgraded my dbus package just a moment ago, and I have camera regocnized by libgphoto2 attached on USB. Now I just got "Warning! There are new photos in your camera! Would you like to add them to your photo album?", what photoalbum? and wtf is this program doing this? Dbus?! |
| 10:45.47 | Guerin | nagual: that narrows it down to about 100 movies |
| 10:45.51 | ivan | SammyTheSnake, can you access the mysql server from the command line? |
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| 10:45.57 | SammyTheSnake | yes |
| 10:45.59 | nagual | Guerin: you should be able to guess from 100! |
| 10:46.07 | ivan | what version of php are you using |
| 10:46.24 | Guerin | nagual: i've been out of film school for 6 years :) |
| 10:46.25 | SammyTheSnake | ivan: sarges latest |
| 10:46.40 | ivan | php5? |
| 10:46.41 | vdka | Is it possible to extract the audio track of an mpg file? |
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| 10:46.49 | Guerin | vdka: yes. |
| 10:46.53 | Guerin | anything's possible |
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| 10:47.00 | nagual | Guerin: bah :))) |
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| 10:47.05 | SammyTheSnake | ivan: 4.3.10 I think |
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| 10:47.25 | vdka | What program can I use for this? mencoder? |
| 10:47.28 | ivan | vdka, mplayer -ao help |
| 10:47.34 | Guerin | vdka: mplayer |
| 10:47.36 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:47.40 | mrhemlock | php5 is not in unstable yet !! |
| 10:47.52 | Guerin | mrhemlock: omfglolwtfbbqcat5 |
| 10:47.55 | ivan | not sure what it is SammyTheSnake |
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| 10:48.06 | simonrvn | cat5? |
| 10:48.16 | Guerin | i know, it's not a tla |
| 10:48.41 | simonrvn | damn |
| 10:48.44 | Guerin | but I have ethernet on the brain now |
| 10:48.50 | vdka | thanks! |
| 10:49.00 | Guerin | since I just got a 100 megabit full-dup internet connection |
| 10:49.03 | SammyTheSnake | ivan: I'll do a google for the error messages I get... |
| 10:49.08 | simonrvn | oooh |
| 10:49.26 | directhex|work | drac, sounds like HAL, and gnome-volume-manager |
| 10:49.44 | simonrvn | Guerin: i bet it's cheap too |
| 10:49.51 | Guerin | simonrvn: about US$30/month |
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| 10:50.02 | xam | Guerin: say, how fast is your internet connection? ;) |
| 10:50.06 | nagual | Guerin: I am a fortuneteller, and i foretell that if you dont give me a non-qoutad shell you will forever be unhappy and so will your kids and their kids. |
| 10:50.07 | drac | Ah, hal was upgraded also with last dist-upgrade. I just wonder what photoalbum is it meaning, I don't remember installing any albums :P |
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| 10:50.14 | simonrvn | yup. cheap. about 40$ CDN |
| 10:50.22 | Guerin | xam: why, funny you should ask, xam. It's 100 megabits, up and down. Uncapped! |
| 10:50.23 | directhex|work | drac, it's something gnomish |
| 10:50.23 | Skiver | hi anyone using ximian evolution here ? |
| 10:50.30 | SammyTheSnake | skiver: yeah, I am |
| 10:50.52 | xam | Guerin: full-duplex? nice |
| 10:50.55 | simonrvn | Guerin: i must say, *drool* |
| 10:50.56 | Guerin | nagual: nobody gets a shell unless I own part of them... preferably a part I can use :) |
| 10:51.02 | nagual | hehe |
| 10:51.19 | nagual | Guerin: are you heterosexual? |
| 10:51.29 | Guerin | I haven't tested it properly, but a guy I know who has the same has clocked 80 megabytes per second downstream |
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| 10:51.35 | Guerin | nagual: mostly |
| 10:51.41 | simonrvn | *drool* |
| 10:51.41 | Skiver | SammyTheSnake : is there a built-in password protecting function for each mail account? |
| 10:51.49 | nagual | Guerin: where is it located? |
| 10:51.54 | LaVey | can someone give me a pointer on getting a gui installed ? |
| 10:51.56 | Guerin | eh, he must be lying |
| 10:51.59 | simonrvn | idnar, you forgot the 'thx' |
| 10:52.03 | jm_ | Guerin: 80 megabytes? are you sure? |
| 10:52.05 | Guerin | 80 megabytes is way more |
| 10:52.12 | Guerin | yeah, I just did that math in my head |
| 10:52.17 | SammyTheSnake | skiver: you mean other than the password you need to log into your SMTP/POP/Exchange server? |
| 10:52.23 | LaVey | currently on command line from mini install |
| 10:52.26 | Guerin | he must be megabits |
| 10:52.31 | jm_ | 80megabits, so roughly 10MB/s sounds OK |
| 10:52.39 | simonrvn | hm, *counts on fingers mentally*... |
| 10:52.40 | Guerin | nagual: south korea |
| 10:52.49 | nagual | Guerin: ok. |
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| 10:53.00 | simonrvn | i'd say around 10 tops |
| 10:53.03 | Guerin | jm_: I've clocked 1400k bytes per second, on my 10 megabit pcmcia nic |
| 10:53.06 | simonrvn | heh |
| 10:53.11 | Skiver | SammyTheSnake : yes |
| 10:53.17 | xam | simonrvn: you have mental fingers? what do you finger with your mind all the time? |
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| 10:53.24 | chealer | LaVey: do you want a desktop environment...% |
| 10:53.26 | simonrvn | xam: my mind |
| 10:53.32 | sep | is it possivble to configure a pop server to archive the email instead of deleting it when the email client requests it's deletion ? |
| 10:53.36 | simonrvn | i like to finger myself |
| 10:53.38 | Skiver | SammyTheSnake : control access to the locally stored mails. |
| 10:53.39 | LaVey | chealer .. yes :) |
| 10:53.42 | simonrvn | $ finger me |
| 10:53.44 | directhex|work | !finger simonrvn |
| 10:53.49 | chealer | LaVey: tell which |
| 10:53.51 | SammyTheSnake | skiver: hmm... |
| 10:53.56 | simonrvn | @finger directhex|work |
| 10:53.59 | jm_ | Guerin: some of them can do 22Mbps, but even then you usually get half of that in ideal conditions |
| 10:54.02 | LaVey | any |
| 10:54.03 | simonrvn | eek |
| 10:54.06 | simonrvn | sorry |
| 10:54.11 | directhex|work | :'( |
| 10:54.12 | SammyTheSnake | skiver: do you have a single login that is used by several users? |
| 10:54.21 | simonrvn | didn't know that would happen |
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| 10:54.26 | Guerin | jm_: yeah, this is my ole faithful 3c589 |
| 10:54.28 | simonrvn | @factinfo finger |
| 10:54.28 | ravenbird | finger -- created by slinky <kieran@ppp-1-67.cvx1.telinco.net> at Wed Jun 28 08:20:07 2000 (1738 days); last modified at Wed Jun 28 08:21:15 2000 by slinky!kieran@ppp-1-67.cvx1.telinco.net; has not been requested yet. |
| 10:54.40 | SammyTheSnake | skiver: if each user has their own login, they can have their own separate email setup easily enough... |
| 10:54.45 | simonrvn | @factinfo cmd: finger (.*?) |
| 10:54.45 | ravenbird | CMD: finger (.*?) -- created by sgeiger <~user@139.55.144.113> at Sun Sep 29 03:21:58 2002 (915 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by daniel at Sun Mar 16 12:35:37 2003. |
| 10:54.45 | Guerin | simonrvn: cmd: finger |
| 10:54.49 | chealer | LaVey: what's your release? |
| 10:54.50 | directhex|work | shouldn't that be finger $1? |
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| 10:55.10 | LaVey | woody i386 . mini - lordsutch |
| 10:55.11 | simonrvn | hrm. that bug's still there |
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| 10:55.30 | chealer | LaVey: what means lordsutch ? |
| 10:55.36 | chealer | !d-i LaVey |
| 10:55.37 | dpkg | LaVey, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:55.40 | Skiver | SammyTheSnake : thanks. i'll see what can i get |
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| 10:56.17 | LaVey | is the name of the dic i downloaded |
| 10:56.17 | LaVey | disc* |
| 10:56.17 | directhex|work | chealer, there is no official netinst for woody, hence several unofficial ones (lordsuch being one of the most popular) |
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| 10:56.18 | chealer | LaVey: ok. anyway, woody is old and you'll prefer sarge (testing) |
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| 10:56.28 | chealer | directhex|work: ok, thanks I had forgot |
| 10:56.45 | LaVey | ok.. so need a new disc to install from or can do it over net ? |
| 10:56.58 | directhex|work | LaVey, depends whether your network card is supported in your installed woody |
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| 10:57.07 | LaVey | yup.. got ip and can ping |
| 10:57.09 | directhex|work | LaVey, it IS possible to upgrade though, yes |
| 10:57.15 | directhex|work | !woody->sarge |
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| 10:57.18 | SammyTheSnake | Has anyone here set up Apache 2.x with SSL? |
| 10:57.22 | directhex|work | @woody->sarge |
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| 10:57.33 | directhex|work | farking bots ¬_¬ |
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| 10:57.43 | xam | arggl, great ... stupid ebayer sent me the wrong cable, and I already left a positive feedback ... |
| 10:57.50 | SammyTheSnake | I've got a website up served by Apache2, but it's not listening on port 443... |
| 10:58.00 | chealer | !woody->sarge |
| 10:58.12 | simonrvn | use the full bot's nick |
| 10:58.19 | simonrvn | bug with '->' |
| 10:58.23 | directhex|work | LaVey, apt-get install aptitude, edit /etc/apt/sources.list so all mentions of "stable" or "woody" say "sarge", aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade, aptitude install hotplug discover1 |
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| 10:59.20 | netvoodoo | directhex|work: whats the diff between apt-get and aptitude ? |
| 10:59.26 | trueno | Hi! Is there a way to read gmailfs created files under linux if they were created under windows? and the other way round? I am testing it |
| 10:59.53 | directhex|work | netvoodoo, different approaches to dependancy resolution. DWN recommendation is to use aptitude for woody->sarge |
| 10:59.55 | markybob | trueno, of course. dont be silly |
| 11:00.07 | HolyGoat | netvoodoo: aptitude is more graphical |
| 11:00.11 | directhex|work | netvoodoo, also, aptitude tracks unwanted packages and keeps logs |
| 11:00.15 | HolyGoat | ah |
| 11:00.19 | directhex|work | HolyGoat, not if you use it on the command line |
| 11:00.28 | HolyGoat | ok |
| 11:00.30 | LaVey | will grab the netinstall of sarge and go that way.. clean install |
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| 11:00.59 | chealer | LaVey: good choice also |
| 11:01.05 | directhex|work | LaVey, if you haven't gotten anywhere yet, then that's wise |
| 11:01.30 | LaVey | thx guys.. no doubt i'll be back lolol |
| 11:01.39 | LaVey | will sit an idle for a while |
| 11:01.53 | puter | heya' I just upgraded to sarge and I am having the following problem: for some reason I am getting prompted for my "current ip address" every time I boot. how do i get rid of/fix this? |
| 11:01.58 | trueno | markybob: linux does not read the files stored in gmailfs and created under windows (ii gmailfs 0.3-7) |
| 11:01.59 | sussudio | !fix puter |
| 11:02.13 | sussudio | puter: try "man interfaces" |
| 11:02.20 | puter | heheh |
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| 11:03.35 | trueno | markybob: any clue? |
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| 11:04.23 | markybob | trueno, no. i hadnt ever heard of that problem |
| 11:04.40 | markybob | trueno, file a report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=gmailfs&archive=no |
| 11:05.01 | trueno | ok |
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| 11:05.25 | trueno | thanks! |
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| 11:05.34 | PumpkinPie | hey |
| 11:05.46 | PumpkinPie | how do I make it so that some users cant use screen or not have a background process? |
| 11:06.10 | PumpkinPie | not have a background process rather but there is screen installed |
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| 11:06.33 | zepher | goodday, goodday :) |
| 11:07.01 | buu | PumpkinPie: Delete screen |
| 11:07.02 | markybob | zepher, what's up with the good mood? what's not allowed in here |
| 11:07.20 | zepher | hehe everything works. well most of it anyways |
| 11:07.33 | markybob | heh |
| 11:07.43 | zepher | i need help on wine |
| 11:07.53 | simonrvn | @beer zepher |
| 11:08.00 | zepher | cheers! |
| 11:08.06 | sussudio | !wine |
| 11:08.06 | dpkg | i guess wine is at http://www.winehq.com/. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 11:08.09 | markybob | zepher, what's your problem? |
| 11:08.14 | markybob | zepher, gotta ask a real question |
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| 11:09.02 | zepher | yeah i know. i cant get the configuration running. i downloaded and installed the latest version. but now i cant get it running |
| 11:09.05 | sussudio | !doe zepher |
| 11:09.33 | zepher | dankt* |
| 11:09.46 | markybob | zepher, that's why they made codeweaver. they purposefully dont make stock wine easy |
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| 11:10.20 | zepher | yeah, i figured as much |
| 11:10.48 | markybob | 4.2 was released yesterday. ;) |
| 11:10.58 | chealer | does that command look right to build a package from source and not be bothered my missing build-depends? # auto-apt run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b ? It seems it doesn't help |
| 11:11.02 | doleyb | zepher: did you install it via apt-get? that shouldn't be hard. |
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| 11:11.51 | zepher | i read on wineHQ that the debian sources are outdated so i updated my aptlist (or whatever it is called) now i installed their version |
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| 11:12.13 | doleyb | zepher: did you try the debian one first? |
| 11:12.18 | markybob | chealer, not be bothred by missing depends? why? are you crazy? |
| 11:12.24 | buu | Does dpkg pick up stuff from the channel for it's factoid definitions, or only when it's specifically addressed? |
| 11:12.50 | zepher | yes, but that didn`t make me much wiser. hang on let me read the codeweavers thing |
| 11:12.59 | chealer | markybob: if you don't know, auto-apt is supposed to install them automatically. at least that's what I want |
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| 11:13.02 | puter | hello. i was here a second ago witht he problem regarding being prompted for my IP every time i boot. i think the problem is with something called "netenv" being run.... but the man page is totally uninformative. |
| 11:13.21 | markybob | chealer, yeah, if you tell it to first. apt-get build-dep packagname |
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| 11:13.31 | chealer | buu: use !foo is bar or /msg dpkg foo is bar |
| 11:13.48 | buu | chealer: But not just regular channel chat? |
| 11:13.54 | chealer | buu: no |
| 11:13.54 | simonrvn | buu: only when it's told |
| 11:13.59 | buu | Ok |
| 11:14.02 | markybob | chealer, you need to use that to get build depends before you can build the package |
| 11:14.11 | markybob | chealer, make sense? |
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| 11:14.14 | buu | Heh, next question, how do I select text without using a mouse! |
| 11:14.18 | chealer | markybob: entirely |
| 11:14.21 | chealer | thanks |
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| 11:14.26 | markybob | np |
| 11:14.27 | simonrvn | otherwise those kinds of bots are too chatty, and pick up random crap |
| 11:14.45 | simonrvn | (they do anyway, but that's besides the point) |
| 11:14.52 | buu | heh |
| 11:15.04 | chealer | markybob: doh. I'm reading the APT HOWTO and doing tests. I just read what you said now that I check next section :) |
| 11:15.07 | spire | Now that the panel-aplet "mail monitor" is removed from gnome, I need another mail monitor for the panel. "mailnotify" can not be used here, I guess. Does anyone know a panel-mail monitor? |
| 11:15.44 | markybob | chealer, it's no problem. i happen to be in a good mood ;) |
| 11:16.12 | zepher | grr i`m to cheap to pay for stuff, thats why i went to linux in the first place :P |
| 11:16.52 | zepher | not that i payed for windows... |
| 11:16.53 | nagual | Guerin: its albania |
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| 11:17.51 | markybob | zepher, sure you did. i'm sure you've bought computers in the past that came with windows licensing. |
| 11:18.05 | markybob | zepher, a license is a license. |
| 11:18.16 | zepher | remembers yeah. win95 and ME |
| 11:18.25 | zepher | fair enough :) |
| 11:18.30 | markybob | you never said which version you're running ;) |
| 11:18.35 | markybob | not that i care or wanna know |
| 11:18.39 | zepher | xp pro now |
| 11:18.44 | zepher | sorry |
| 11:19.15 | spire | Which package provide "mailnotify"? |
| 11:19.50 | ifireball | is Debian + kernel 2.6 + UDEV + hotplug a reality? |
| 11:19.51 | markybob | ifireball, sure. if you apt-get the right stuff |
| 11:19.51 | petemc | spire: biff |
| 11:20.45 | markybob | ifireball, apt-get install hotplug udev kernel-image-2.6.foo |
| 11:20.48 | ifireball | markybob: the last time I checked hotplug didn't really work on debian... |
| 11:21.01 | markybob | ifireball, works here. |
| 11:21.08 | spire | petemc: I need the program called mailnotify - not just "some" mailnotifier |
| 11:21.19 | petemc | spire: well im very sorry |
| 11:21.26 | ifireball | and I guess I'll need to rm /dev out of the way for udev no? |
| 11:21.32 | chealer | spire: zephyr-clients |
| 11:21.35 | markybob | spire is that the same as zmailnotify? |
| 11:21.41 | markybob | ifireball, are you serious? |
| 11:21.46 | chealer | !tell spire about search |
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| 11:22.12 | markybob | ifireball, hell no |
| 11:22.13 | ifireball | markybob: I donno, its just that udev is so different then the good old unix way... |
| 11:22.54 | Witigonen | Anybody have a preferred IMAP server? |
| 11:23.18 | ifireball | e.g. I wanna avoid having to spend huors at the console to get evrything working smoothly again... |
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| 11:23.59 | petemc | illustir: install ubuntu |
| 11:24.01 | petemc | gah |
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| 11:24.07 | petemc | ifireball: install ubuntu |
| 11:24.14 | ifireball | markybob: I understart alsa is built-in to the kernel in 2.6, how about the nvidia drivers? |
| 11:24.18 | markybob | petemc, i told him what to do. he just likes to talk, apparently. |
| 11:24.24 | petemc | markybob: yeah |
| 11:24.27 | markybob | ifireball, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 11:25.10 | spire | chealer: I tried a "apt-cache search mailnotify" and "apt-file search mailnotify" but non of them gave any results. Therefore my question. |
| 11:25.30 | markybob | spire, /msg dpkg find foo |
| 11:25.44 | chealer | spire: the factoid is a little messy... you need apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo |
| 11:26.05 | chealer | ...or use the bot |
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| 11:26.55 | aidehua | Can one run a 2.6 kernel in woody? Would I need a module-init-tools backport? |
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| 11:27.03 | spire | Thanks for the search help! :-) |
| 11:27.08 | jm_ | aidehua: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
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| 11:27.37 | aidehua | Thanks :) |
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| 11:30.39 | Chrissy2k5 | hey can anyone help .. in a readme for vsftpd on virtual users it told me to add this somewhere but i dont know where .."echo "anon_world_readable_only=NO" > /etc/vsftpd_user_conf/tom" |
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| 11:31.03 | Chrissy2k5 | it gives that line as an example |
| 11:31.12 | shadebob | hi, I have a problem with a new compiled kernel. Sound not work... I have message "SG stopped or paused" |
| 11:31.33 | jerome | hi all, someone using kernel 2.6.11 could confirm matroxfb is pretty b0rked (can't set video mode)? |
| 11:31.37 | sep | Chrissy2k5: that line put into a shell would add the line anon_world_readable_only=no to the file /etc/vsftpd_user_conf/tom |
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| 11:31.53 | jerome | !ops eNteR is a spam bot |
| 11:31.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: eNteR is a spam bot |
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| 11:32.04 | jerome | a porn bot moreover |
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| 11:32.11 | jerome | thanks carraca |
| 11:32.14 | Chrissy2k5 | ~[ sep ]~ so i just put it in as a command ? |
| 11:32.20 | jerome | thanks caphuso |
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| 11:32.35 | jerome | carraca: my 2¢ |
| 11:32.41 | sep | Chrissy2k5: basicaly yes .. |
| 11:33.34 | sep | Chrissy2k5: atho i'd check the file 'tom' before to make sure you dont overwrite something |
| 11:34.01 | sep | i assume tom is the username in question |
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| 11:34.19 | petemc | !ops PinG is a spambot |
| 11:34.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PinG is a spambot |
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| 11:34.51 | caphuso | stupid bots |
| 11:35.03 | foobared | ! ops PinG is a spambot |
| 11:35.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PinG is a spambot |
| 11:35.10 | foobared | :( |
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| 11:36.21 | puter | hey. i just updated to kernel2.6 from 2.2 and my eth0 is not getting configured at boot...? |
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| 11:36.49 | puter | but, it does get configured in 2.2 |
| 11:37.10 | foobared | puter: which card? |
| 11:37.11 | Chrissy2k5 | hmm virtual users on vsftpd .. what do i do about passwords ? :| |
| 11:37.25 | puter | foobared: it's a pcmcia card |
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| 11:38.16 | puter | foobared: does that answer your question? |
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| 11:40.00 | nagesh | can i view the window sytem through linux |
| 11:40.09 | nagesh | or can i ssh the window system |
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| 11:40.15 | SlayerXP | nagesh: yes, you have our permission to do so |
| 11:40.15 | funky | hi |
| 11:40.25 | puter | you can use vlc, nagesh |
| 11:40.32 | funky | what means "pc" at begining of a package in dpkg -l ? |
| 11:40.34 | foobared | puter: yes, but makes things more difficult to debug |
| 11:40.39 | chealer | nagesh: vNc |
| 11:41.08 | nagesh | is that Vnc come with debian or i need to install |
| 11:41.12 | puter | foobared: well, it works on kernel2.2 but not on 2.6... so that's a hint |
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| 11:41.35 | markybob | foobared, good luck ;) |
| 11:41.43 | sep | nagesh: install a vnc server on windows, and use a vnc viewer on debian, debina have a few to choosefrom use the tightvncviewer |
| 11:41.45 | zepher | ive got one of those USB mp3 players. is it just plug and pray or...? |
| 11:42.09 | markybob | zepher, should be. |
| 11:42.16 | zepher | where to find the device |
| 11:42.20 | sep | zepher: you connect it as any usb drive, using usb-storage and transfer your files to it |
| 11:42.27 | resiak | zepher: That depends. Most do usb-storage, but some do not. |
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| 11:42.29 | Witigonen | How do I update my locate database? |
| 11:42.35 | petemc | Witigonen: updatedb |
| 11:42.37 | resiak | Witigonen: updatedb |
| 11:42.37 | sep | Witigonen: updatedb & |
| 11:42.42 | petemc | i win! |
| 11:42.44 | zepher | lol |
| 11:42.45 | drac | zepher: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mount_point is wild guess. |
| 11:42.47 | Witigonen | Thanks, everyone :D |
| 11:42.47 | oliva | hi there is it possible to secre vnc authenticavionin some way? |
| 11:42.51 | drac | zepher: sd_mod and usb_storage modprobed. |
| 11:42.58 | drac | zepher: and vfat |
| 11:42.59 | zepher | ok so dev/sda1 |
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| 11:43.10 | sep | oliva: ??? you can allways tunnel vnc thru ssh |
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| 11:44.05 | oliva | sep: so it is possible to make it listen just on localhost or I have to configure an iptable rule? |
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| 11:45.41 | raghu | nagesh : hi |
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| 11:45.58 | raghu | nagesh : i have a dought |
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| 11:46.17 | zepher | vfat aint working |
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| 11:46.19 | sep | oliva: have no idea try man vncserver |
| 11:46.52 | Chrissy2k5 | what do i use for the db command on debian .. for example db_load .. |
| 11:47.05 | sep | !tell zepher about usb-storage |
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| 11:47.25 | caphuso | Chrissy2k5: dgX_load where X is some number depending on the version |
| 11:47.33 | caphuso | err, dbX_load |
| 11:47.49 | fluor- | hey there - I'm looking for a newbie-friendly frontend for iptables/netfilter - any pointer? |
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| 11:47.56 | Chrissy2k5 | cheeres |
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| 11:48.04 | zepher | thanks |
| 11:48.27 | sep | fluor-: i like shorewall and if you can read the examples on www.shorewall.net it's newbee friendly also |
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| 11:48.55 | raghu | nagesh: adum konthira |
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| 11:49.01 | nagesh | raghu, ? is the doubt |
| 11:49.23 | nagesh | thumba santhosha |
| 11:49.25 | raghu | nagesh: adum konthira? is my dought |
| 11:49.30 | nagesh | ok |
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| 11:50.27 | oliva | thankz sep |
| 11:50.29 | oliva | bye |
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| 11:52.22 | zepher | how can i load modules? |
| 11:52.42 | drac | zepher: modprobe name_of_module |
| 11:52.44 | scytheman | modprobe, modconf, insmod |
| 11:52.48 | zepher | thanks |
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| 11:54.57 | rocky23 | ive just compiled my kernel with 2.6.11, im trying to do some qos stuff but im getting rtnetlink invalid and no such file or dir messages, im guessing this a kernel option which im missing, i was reading on lartc that you need to enable rtnetlink, this isnt in my config? nor do i see it on my config on 2.4.27? if i write it in manually when i compiled ive just seen "trying to assign nonexistent symbol rtnetlink" ? is this a legit option ? |
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| 11:56.05 | fluor- | re |
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| 11:56.11 | fluor- | sep: thanks, but I need something totally graphical |
| 11:56.25 | [Elad] | hello all :) |
| 11:57.11 | liable | fluor-: guarddog, firestarter |
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| 11:58.25 | fluor- | liable: thanks, I already had a look at firestarter, didn't know the first one |
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| 12:00.22 | fluor- | any other option? web or graphical frontend to netfilter/iptables? |
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| 12:02.08 | sep | fluor-: you could try mason |
| 12:02.38 | sep | or gnome-lokkit |
| 12:02.56 | sep | fluor-: but shorewall beats all of these hands down and |
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| 12:03.03 | sep | are not much more difficult to config |
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| 12:04.06 | nomed^ | is there someone that can use crt out and lcd one? |
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| 12:04.12 | nomed^ | togheter i mean |
| 12:04.25 | pothead | vim firewall.sh with a bit of man iptables is good too :D |
| 12:05.09 | sep | pothead: that has dependencies on knowledge, and knowledge have no installation candidates |
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| 12:05.36 | pothead | knowledge should be mandatory to use a computer, or at least willingness to learn stuff |
| 12:06.03 | pothead | knowledge should make it into base-user :) |
| 12:06.17 | dexter_ | pothead: Yeh |
| 12:06.41 | sep | pothead: i guess someone should package it... |
| 12:06.46 | fluor- | pothead: that is what I do - but I can't expect such behaviour from the administrator of the school I'll be working for :) |
| 12:06.46 | pothead | heh |
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| 12:07.05 | pothead | fluor-: wasn't aiming at you with these sarcasms :) |
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| 12:07.21 | alfatau_ | hi, any snmpd user? i need a little help... |
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| 12:07.43 | markybob | gmail is now offering 2GB. just thought you all would like to know. |
| 12:07.48 | rob^ | cool |
| 12:07.50 | fluor- | it usually happens that way - you know how to deal with a task under GNU/Linux, and find yourself unable to provide a simple graphical program for non-textmode freaks to do so |
| 12:07.55 | p | alguien habla español???? |
| 12:07.59 | rob^ | cant give that crap away anymore haha |
| 12:08.00 | sep | !tell alfatau_ about ask |
| 12:08.06 | fluor- | markybob: and get all your mail scanned and archived by google - no thanks! |
| 12:08.11 | markybob | p #debian-es |
| 12:08.12 | pothead | !es |
| 12:08.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:08.58 | sep | fluor-: non textmode freaks shoudnt have to deal with firewall's that's a network admin's job |
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| 12:09.21 | alfatau_ | sep: i knew about ask, but it's not a debian question, but about snmpd |
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| 12:10.07 | fluor- | sep: not exactly true - single users should be able to secure their machine as well, just as windows users use ZoneAlarm ;) |
| 12:10.29 | sep | alfatau_: nobody will answer unless you actualy ask something. |
| 12:10.44 | alfatau_ | sep: ok |
| 12:10.48 | markybob | fluor-, that's because it's required in windows. linux is pretty secure for normal users and they dont need firewall |
| 12:11.44 | ifireball | markybob: note, identd worm... |
| 12:11.48 | alfatau_ | hi, any snmpd user? i want to configure snmpd to be able to send a trap when disk space ends. can you help me? |
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| 12:12.05 | sep | windows is a bit strange that way, for a non gamer's computer the hardest job it ever does is run the antivirus system with the integrated firewall. |
| 12:12.06 | fluor- | markybob: hm, not so true |
| 12:12.20 | fluor- | markybob: there's a bunch more services running on a freshly installed gnu/linux installation |
| 12:12.27 | markybob | fluor-, not debian |
| 12:12.32 | markybob | fluor-, debian runs what you install |
| 12:12.48 | sep | fluor-: ut not so many of those services provide a instant access to root on the computer. |
| 12:13.57 | markybob | fine. i'm done. fluor- why dont you create a cute little gtk gui for iptables? |
| 12:13.57 | fluor- | indeed |
| 12:14.24 | fluor- | markybob: hehe - I'd need both the gtk programming skills, and most importantly, time |
| 12:14.34 | ifireball | hasn't tihs been done like, a million times already? |
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| 12:14.38 | markybob | yes |
| 12:14.39 | fluor- | ifireball: it has |
| 12:14.40 | markybob | none good |
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| 12:16.35 | fluor- | firestarter looks good |
| 12:16.40 | ifireball | ok, here is one thing that annoys me about debian, those textmode questions about configuration file changes, that pop un during the installation and interrupt it |
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| 12:17.26 | ifireball | i.e. if they'd use dpkg, fine, but now, they have to stop the installation and ask, making it impossible to run it unattended |
| 12:17.37 | ifireball | e.g. debconf* |
| 12:17.38 | grepper | someone taking care of the bot that spams porn site on connect ? |
| 12:18.07 | mijndert | omg.. Huri: http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 12:18.08 | mijndert | :\ |
| 12:18.23 | mijndert | stupid PM |
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| 12:18.36 | drac | mijndert: Yes, but you don't have to repeat the spam in public. |
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| 12:19.09 | mijndert | that was my intention, thanks :P |
| 12:19.12 | grepper | thanks |
| 12:19.49 | alfatau | hi, any snmpd user? i want to configure snmpd to be able to send a trap when disk space ends. can you help me? |
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| 12:21.06 | simonrvn | caphuso: bot you just banned was just now k-lined :) |
| 12:21.26 | sussudio | mijndert: ja, ga de url ook nog eens gratis voor hem zitten spammen, klojo. |
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| 12:21.49 | jm_ | alfatau: it would bemuh easier for you to query the MIB |
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| 12:22.02 | caphuso | simonrvn: thanks |
| 12:22.23 | simonrvn | caphuso: thank cybersystem :) |
| 12:22.40 | mijndert | sussudio, het was alleen mijn bedoeling het uit deze room te laten schoppen. Hoef je niet boos te worden ofzo </Dutch> |
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| 12:22.57 | alfatau | jm_: but mib contains free disk space? |
| 12:23.57 | simonrvn | alfatau: snmpwalk -c v2 $community localhost . man snmp* |
| 12:24.10 | jm_ | alfatau: yes, I have to pick up a package now, I'll be back later |
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| 12:25.13 | vs_zach | hey |
| 12:25.22 | vs_zach | ...how do i use a .deb file |
| 12:25.37 | caphuso | dpkg -i |
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| 12:26.09 | vs_zach | as root? |
| 12:26.13 | robewald | hi |
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| 12:26.59 | caphuso | vs_zach: yes, of course |
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| 12:27.00 | kbrooks | isq there a eclipse IDE |
| 12:27.27 | vs_zach | cannot access archive |
| 12:27.37 | caphuso | vs_zach: man dpkg |
| 12:27.40 | robewald | is there a package which does something like whereami in terms of reconfiguration and works nicely with guessnet? |
| 12:27.51 | zbrown | kbrooks: if you're asking if an 'eclipse IDE' exists, then yes it does. http://eclipse.org |
| 12:28.11 | kbrooks | and is it packaged? |
| 12:28.45 | caphuso | kbrooks: does apt-cache find it? |
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| 12:29.18 | pothead | gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 12:29.21 | pothead | §lart smitty |
| 12:29.21 | kbrooks | no |
| 12:29.26 | pothead | !lart smitty |
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| 12:29.48 | jerome | hum, I can't find how to retrieve the netbios name of a windows machine I knows the IP. |
| 12:29.51 | jerome | -s |
| 12:29.53 | jaybuffet | so i have kernel 2.4.27.. any reason why i wouldnt update to the latest |
| 12:29.57 | netvoodoo | kbrooks: the eclipse.org download file is a tar.gz |
| 12:29.59 | pothead | jerome: nmblookup iirc |
| 12:30.06 | netvoodoo | and you dont need to make... |
| 12:30.08 | jerome | pothead: great ! |
| 12:30.09 | robewald | kbrooks: apt-cache search eclipse |
| 12:30.16 | zbrown | jaybuffet: because the deb developers haven't deemed it stable? |
| 12:30.25 | zbrown | or are just lazy |
| 12:30.28 | pothead | jerome: glad to be helpfull to someone with the same name as me :) |
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| 12:30.49 | vs_zach | dpkg still wont work |
| 12:30.55 | kbrooks | gimme the command again please |
| 12:30.58 | jaybuffet | zbrown: is it stable enough for a server |
| 12:31.02 | jaybuffet | production |
| 12:31.19 | markybob | vs_zach, how about you actually tell us the problem instead of just saying it doesnt work? |
| 12:31.24 | markybob | that'd be neat |
| 12:31.26 | zbrown | jaybuffet: don't ask me... i run 4 servers w/ debian sarge and i use w/e the Deb Devs deem as stable or are lazy enough to release... so 2.4.27 |
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| 12:31.38 | acidc0re_ | jmd nen highpoint raid controller ? |
| 12:31.41 | vs_zach | i am trying to install fluxbox 9.11 |
| 12:32.35 | acidc0re_ | mit 2.6.10 oder neuer ? |
| 12:32.35 | pothead | !de |
| 12:32.35 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 12:32.35 | jaybuffet | zbrown: sounds like my situation |
| 12:32.35 | cowbud | ach nee |
| 12:32.35 | acidc0re_ | ops wrong window :( |
| 12:32.35 | pothead | acidc0re_ & cowbud please stick to english in here |
| 12:32.36 | vs_zach | and it gave me a .deb file |
| 12:32.36 | acidc0re_ | <-- stupid |
| 12:32.36 | zbrown | jaybuffet: don't touch it if it ain't broke. |
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| 12:32.36 | Xandalf | hi |
| 12:32.36 | acidc0re_ | gna i should kill myself |
| 12:32.37 | zbrown | ace2001ac: yes you should |
| 12:32.40 | zbrown | fuck |
| 12:32.40 | markybob | vs_zach, no one's gonna follow you. try putting on wtf you're doing and what the problem is on one line |
| 12:32.43 | Xandalf | is there any netins cd with kernel 2.6? |
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| 12:32.44 | zbrown | acidc0re_: yes you should |
| 12:32.50 | pothead | !lart acidc0re_ |
| 12:32.50 | acidc0re_ | yeah indeed |
| 12:32.52 | jaybuffet | zbrown: true.. but that contradicts my need to constantly upgrade |
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| 12:32.57 | zbrown | Xandalf: you have to apt-get it iafter install |
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| 12:33.06 | acidc0re_ | <-- dumd like a rock |
| 12:33.11 | zbrown | jaybuffet: servers should be 'constantly upgraded' |
| 12:33.18 | zbrown | shouldn't* |
| 12:33.19 | zbrown | dangit |
| 12:33.22 | pothead | Xandalf: use the sarge installer, and boot with the linux26 flavor |
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| 12:33.29 | jerome | pothead: :) (nmblookup seems to have problems retrieving names from windows boxen) :/ |
| 12:33.30 | pothead | zbrown: it's not true |
| 12:33.35 | Xandalf | ok |
| 12:33.35 | vs_zach | and i did dpkg file.deb and it spat out an error |
| 12:33.41 | zbrown | pothead: if its a forward facing production server it is. |
| 12:33.52 | pothead | zbrown: I meant for the kernel, you can install with 2.6 |
| 12:33.59 | markybob | vs_zach, do you have a brain? can you really not follow what i told you? |
| 12:34.02 | pothead | zbrown: you don't *have to* upgrade after install |
| 12:34.05 | zbrown | pothead: oh ok, yah, I forgot about that, I'm tired and its damned early |
| 12:34.08 | Coke | Running Sarge on hw with an MGA G550, seems I cannot set any other resolution than 1024x768. I don't know if it's the X, the hw or the crappy TFT monitor that mess things up, the result is that no matter what resolutions I provide it wil always set 1024x760. (or lower) |
| 12:34.09 | Xandalf | I want it becouse de 2.4.27 one does not detect neither the HD neither de LAN card |
| 12:34.19 | pothead | zbrown: then don't give bad advices ;) |
| 12:34.21 | zbrown | Xandalf: so type "linux26" |
| 12:34.21 | Shorty` | what's the recommended way to get php5 into testing these days? |
| 12:34.32 | zbrown | errr "linux26" at installer boot prompt |
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| 12:34.46 | zbrown | pothead: i try, sometimes the dumshit in me overrides the intelligence in me |
| 12:34.50 | pothead | Xandalf: read the documentation about the misc boot flavors for debian-installer |
| 12:34.51 | dingo | my god |
| 12:34.56 | Xandalf | ok |
| 12:34.58 | pothead | zbrown: hah |
| 12:34.59 | Xandalf | I will try |
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| 12:35.02 | Xandalf | thanks you all |
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| 12:35.55 | vs_zach | i dont know how to fucking use dpkg |
| 12:35.55 | dingo | i come to tell a truth |
| 12:36.01 | markybob | vs_zach, and we cant help you if you dont fucking tell us exactly what's going on! |
| 12:36.03 | markybob | damnit |
| 12:36.09 | pothead | vs_zach: do you know how to use the man command? |
| 12:36.15 | markybob | saying that's an error means shit |
| 12:36.18 | cockroach | okay, this is not exactly debian related but i'll try anyway: could a slightly unstable +12V from the power supply cause the system to power down? one box keeps crashing with this power supply, another one (different hardware) runs just fine but occasionally reports values >12.2V... |
| 12:36.22 | markybob | what's the error? what'd you do? |
| 12:36.24 | markybob | think, man |
| 12:36.44 | xam | cockroach: yes, more than possible |
| 12:36.45 | vs_zach | and i did dpkg file.deb |
| 12:36.53 | markybob | vs_zach, why'd you do that? |
| 12:36.58 | cockroach | xam: okay, thanks. |
| 12:37.04 | vs_zach | isnt that what you do? |
| 12:37.08 | markybob | vs_zach, man dpkg says to do "dpkg -i file.deb" to install a file. |
| 12:37.11 | markybob | vs_zach, read the docs |
| 12:37.12 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
| 12:37.14 | markybob | vs_zach, go away |
| 12:37.22 | vs_zach | w/e |
| 12:37.25 | vs_zach | ur no help |
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| 12:37.29 | markybob | vs_zach, you were told how to do this a while back by cafuso |
| 12:37.43 | xam | cockroach: most people don't realize that it is VERY important to have a good power supply |
| 12:37.52 | Overand | very very |
| 12:37.52 | liable | vs_zach: maybe dpkg -i file.deb |
| 12:37.55 | foobared | vs_zach: f*king install it w/ the f*king -i switch? :) |
| 12:38.09 | Overand | that being said |
| 12:38.13 | Overand | 12.2volts is not out of range |
| 12:38.15 | pothead | !sing friday |
| 12:38.15 | simonrvn | s/he left... |
| 12:38.20 | cockroach | xam: i do have a good one (enermax), this one is from my father's ultra-cheap case... :) |
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| 12:38.25 | Overand | a bad power supply *would* be a bad thing |
| 12:38.38 | Overand | but 12.2 volts is well within tolerable ranges for that particular voltage rail |
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| 12:38.51 | biggi_mat | hi |
| 12:39.25 | biggi_mat | i compiled (well at leat try to compile) the new kernel 2.6.11.6 on my debian |
| 12:39.26 | simonrvn | "*whine* i wanna be hand-held" |
| 12:39.29 | cockroach | Overand: i don't know how high it actually goes, my dockapp just reports that the value is >12.2V - i'm not fast enough to type "sensors" before it's back to below 12.2 :) |
| 12:39.35 | biggi_mat | but now i have problems with boot |
| 12:39.38 | biggi_mat | it says |
| 12:39.38 | Overand | cockroach: heh |
| 12:39.47 | biggi_mat | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1) |
| 12:39.48 | Overand | well |
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| 12:39.52 | biggi_mat | i don't know what to do |
| 12:39.55 | aum | hi - sorry if this is a dumb q - how do i get a bash script to pass its args, with quotes intact, to a program? doing "myprog $*" strips quotes from quoted args |
| 12:39.56 | biggi_mat | tried a lot of things |
| 12:39.58 | pothead | simonrvn: yeah, that kind of stuff :) |
| 12:40.04 | pothead | !win me |
| 12:40.05 | Overand | it's easy to test out, just pull a PS from another box and fire up that box with the known-good power supply |
| 12:40.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, pothead! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 12:40.16 | resiak | biggi_mat: You didn't make an initrd or build the appropriate drivers into the kernel rather than as modules. |
| 12:40.19 | pothead | I finaly fucking got this damn AIX box to install these bloody packages |
| 12:40.23 | timmeh | um what program |
| 12:40.24 | timmeh | can i use |
| 12:40.27 | resiak | !tell biggi_mat -about enter |
| 12:40.28 | timmeh | to extract zip? |
| 12:40.29 | resiak | !tell timmeh -about enter |
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| 12:40.35 | resiak | timmeh: Perhaps |
| 12:40.36 | resiak | you could |
| 12:40.39 | resiak | use "unzip"? |
| 12:40.40 | pothead | type |
| 12:40.42 | pothead | more words |
| 12:40.44 | pothead | per line |
| 12:40.47 | timmeh | thats a command.. |
| 12:40.52 | biggi_mat | resiak ? |
| 12:40.53 | resiak | That's a program! |
| 12:40.57 | resiak | biggi_mat: Yes! |
| 12:41.05 | cockroach | Overand: I did, now both seem to run just fine - it appers the the cheap power supply doesn't work too well with the cheap motherboard... |
| 12:41.06 | timmeh | oh alright can i apt-get it? |
| 12:41.08 | resiak | timmeh: Or perhaps you were looking for something more like file-roller |
| 12:41.08 | biggi_mat | resiak so what should i do |
| 12:41.13 | pothead | !hdii unzip |
| 12:41.13 | dpkg | How Do I Install unzip ? try apt-cache search unzip, then apt-get install the appropriate package(s). Better yet, man apt-cache and man apt-get |
| 12:41.17 | biggi_mat | i have everything loaded for ext2 and ext3 |
| 12:41.22 | biggi_mat | so this can't be wrong i guess |
| 12:41.37 | timmeh | ok thnx heaps love u all =) |
| 12:41.38 | resiak | biggi_mat: Learn how to compile a kernel. You didn't build in your IDE drivers. Did you use make-kpkg? |
| 12:41.42 | markybob | biggi_mat, you probably didnt statically build your ide controller |
| 12:41.44 | biggi_mat | yes i did |
| 12:41.55 | resiak | biggi_mat: You have missed something out. Trust us. |
| 12:42.03 | biggi_mat | i used http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php |
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| 12:42.07 | biggi_mat | this tutorial for compiling.. |
| 12:42.15 | biggi_mat | resiak i trust you :) |
| 12:42.17 | markybob | biggi_mat, use --initrd if you dont care about getting it right. |
| 12:42.33 | resiak | FFS, I corrected a Debian kernel tutorial yesterday... How many are there? |
| 12:42.47 | simonrvn | too many |
| 12:43.02 | Overand | cockroach: that's not an unusual thing. if the PS is flaky, a good motherboard's voltage regulators might be able to sink the weirdness |
| 12:43.08 | xam | cockroach, Overand: usually the limit is +/-5%, so from 11.8V - 12.6V. However the voltage should not fluctuate between those values, but should stay stable |
| 12:43.09 | Overand | but on a bad mobo with crap regulators... less so |
| 12:43.20 | Overand | xam: i wasn't aware it was fluctuating |
| 12:43.27 | biggi_mat | resiak you ahve written a tutorial regarding compiling kernel? |
| 12:43.31 | biggi_mat | or did i misunderstood? :) |
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| 12:44.15 | xam | Overand: well, that's what he said at the beginning ;) |
| 12:44.18 | biggi_mat | resiak? :> |
| 12:44.36 | resiak | biggi_mat: No, I fixed another broken tutorial. Did you do the stuff about the ramdisk in that tutorial? |
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| 12:45.03 | biggi_mat | resiak |
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| 12:45.06 | biggi_mat | i did that: |
| 12:45.06 | biggi_mat | cd /boot/ |
| 12:45.06 | biggi_mat | mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.8.1 2.6.8.1 |
| 12:45.07 | puter | hey. whenever i add a new user then startx with that user, things go crazy (kde wont start). whats up with that? |
| 12:46.23 | markybob | biggi_mat, but you used make-kpkg, you said |
| 12:46.23 | biggi_mat | but for my version of kernel which is 2.6.11.6 |
| 12:46.23 | resiak | biggi_mat: Stop using enter as punctuation! |
| 12:46.23 | resiak | biggi_mat: If you just use make-kpkg --initrd rather than make-kpkg, then the .deb will do it all for you. |
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| 12:46.23 | biggi_mat | well i'll try to recompile the thing again |
| 12:46.23 | markybob | biggi_mat, make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image to use initrd |
| 12:46.23 | resiak | biggi_mat: Read the debian-reference entry |
| 12:46.23 | Overand | xam: i wasn't here for th ebeginning, my bad. |
| 12:46.26 | biggi_mat | btw: can someone ( resiak you mabye:)) give a good tutorial about compiling |
| 12:46.34 | biggi_mat | i don't want to bother you guys for every little thing... |
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| 12:46.48 | resiak | biggi_mat: I'd love to. I may write one at some point soon. But why are you compiling your own, anyway? |
| 12:46.50 | Overand | biggi_mat: compiling in general or compiling the kernel? |
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| 12:47.05 | biggi_mat | compiling the kernel |
| 12:47.18 | biggi_mat | like this one i gave link to (only for newer version maybe) |
| 12:47.19 | Overand | there are a number of tutorials on compiling the kernel out there |
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| 12:47.28 | Overand | but there's always room for improvement |
| 12:47.31 | puter | apt-get kernel-image works pretty nicely... |
| 12:47.37 | puter | install* |
| 12:47.42 | Overand | puter: there are cases when people need to roll their own |
| 12:47.54 | biggi_mat | i like to do it myself |
| 12:47.56 | Overand | and can follow directions for applying patches, but don't know the 'basics' |
| 12:47.59 | resiak | Overand: None of the ones I have seen are sane, other than the "tutorial" in debian-reference, which is nothing much more than the command line. |
| 12:48.02 | ifireball | o.k. I get something like "Process 'update' used the obsolete bdflush system call" anyway to get rid of that? |
| 12:48.03 | biggi_mat | i leard that some thing are better without apt-get |
| 12:48.11 | resiak | Overand: (That is, the make-kpkg invocation.) |
| 12:48.13 | Overand | biggi_mat: i'll tell you this, though |
| 12:48.15 | resiak | biggi_mat: ...you what? |
| 12:48.22 | Overand | I have a P2-400 laptop, and it's running the stock debian kernel |
| 12:48.24 | biggi_mat | learnd * |
| 12:48.41 | Overand | and performance is fine. rolling yer own for perf reasons isn't often needed |
| 12:48.53 | Overand | that being said, my p3-500 has an 800k-ish kernel i rolled myself |
| 12:48.59 | Overand | just for kicks |
| 12:49.12 | resiak | !tell Overand -about enter |
| 12:49.13 | resiak | ;) |
| 12:49.17 | biggi_mat | :) |
| 12:49.22 | Overand | yeah yeah, i've heard it before. |
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| 12:49.27 | Chrissy2k5 | how can i check that Barkeley DB has installed properyl |
| 12:49.34 | Chrissy2k5 | properly* |
| 12:49.35 | resiak | Chrissy2k5: How did you install Berkeley DB? |
| 12:49.40 | Overand | it's... er... a random number generator occasioanlly hits enter when i hit space... it's... er... a bug in my irc client. really. |
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| 12:49.54 | Chrissy2k5 | i ran make in the build_uix folder |
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| 12:50.02 | Chrissy2k5 | ../dist/configure |
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| 12:50.06 | Chrissy2k5 | make .. then make install |
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| 12:51.10 | liable | biggi_mat: either make an initrd or read the info for each driver, it'll tell you if it needs to be built in or what |
| 12:51.27 | puter | Chrissy2k5, you can look around for it in your $PATH (aka 'echo $PATH' then check those directories for the right executable.... |
| 12:51.49 | Chrissy2k5 | oh right thankds |
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| 12:51.57 | MarGarina | Does it make sense to use both 'discover' tool and 'hotplug' while I have a hotplug enabled kernel? Won't they both try to 'discover' hardware and conflict? |
| 12:52.00 | resiak | Chrissy2k5: What version did you roll yourself? |
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| 12:52.25 | Chrissy2k5 | 4.3.27 |
| 12:52.28 | markybob | MarGarina, no they wont conflict |
| 12:52.46 | resiak | Chrissy2k5: apt-get install libdb4.3 will install that version neatly. You may also want to look through apt-cache search libdb for more related things. |
| 12:52.52 | markybob | MarGarina, yes it makes sense. |
| 12:52.59 | resiak | Chrissy2k5: Unless you're running Woody, of course. |
| 12:53.08 | kbrooks | gad. vs_zach is a idiot |
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| 12:53.31 | markybob | kbrooks, ? you're a little late. that conversation was ten minutes ago :) |
| 12:53.34 | puter | hey. can someone tell me why when i add new users they cant start kde properly? |
| 12:53.35 | Chrissy2k5 | no i aint |
| 12:53.50 | resiak | Chrissy2k5: Then why are you rolling your own rather than using the packages provided? |
| 12:53.54 | puter | or maybe a possible reason why.. |
| 12:54.05 | Chrissy2k5 | i didnt know there was already packages provided for db |
| 12:54.08 | resiak | puter: Define "can't start kde properly" |
| 12:54.09 | markybob | puter, ...did home dirs get made? |
| 12:54.23 | resiak | Chrissy2k5: Learn to use apt-cache search . There are packages for just about everything. This is why Debian is as good as it is. |
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| 12:54.28 | puter | home dirs got made; |
| 12:54.35 | markybob | puter, what was the error? |
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| 12:54.47 | Chrissy2k5 | on apt-get install libdb4.3 i am getting libdb4.3 is already the newest version. |
| 12:54.55 | puter | i dont remember exactly... some kde server couldnt start |
| 12:54.58 | resiak | Chrissy2k5: Then it's _already_ _installed_. |
| 12:54.59 | bodq | hello |
| 12:55.07 | markybob | puter, you expect us to help you when you dont give us an error? |
| 12:55.17 | bodq | I can not get DVD ISO images via jigdo :( |
| 12:55.19 | puter | at the beginning it said something about having trouble with authorization |
| 12:55.25 | resiak | puter: So you come in here asking for help to avoid an error, but _don't_ _have_ _the_ _error_ _to_ _give_ _us_? *boggle* |
| 12:55.29 | Chrissy2k5 | i am getting bash: db4_load: command not found |
| 12:55.31 | markybob | puter, go away |
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| 12:55.43 | markybob | puter, get the error exactly and then come back more informed |
| 12:55.44 | bodq | /usr/bin/jigdo-lite: line 73: 6225 File size limit exceeded$jigdoFile $jigdoOpts --no-cache make-image --image="$image" --jigdo="$jigdoF" --template="$template" "$imageTmp" |
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| 12:55.50 | puter | it's not just one error |
| 12:55.52 | Overand | resiak: haha you VERSIONed me, but no response was able to be sent due to my not being idented |
| 12:55.53 | puter | it's like three |
| 12:55.57 | markybob | puter, THEN GET THEM ALL |
| 12:55.58 | markybob | GO AWAY |
| 12:56.01 | resiak | Overand: Heh. Oh well. |
| 12:56.03 | green_earz | bodq: have you downloaded the jigdo files ? |
| 12:56.04 | puter | but i assume that they're all related |
| 12:56.09 | markybob | sigh |
| 12:56.09 | puter | pfff |
| 12:56.14 | Overand | resiak: try again =] |
| 12:56.19 | resiak | Chrissy2k5: apt-get install db4.3-util |
| 12:56.26 | bodq | green_earz: sure |
| 12:56.37 | puter | i'll go get the mother loving errors and you're going to tell me how to fix them. |
| 12:56.40 | resiak | Chrissy2k5: apt-cache search berkeley db . Seriously, learn to use apt-cache. man apt-cache |
| 12:56.51 | markybob | puter, sure. i'm your slave. shut the fuck up |
| 12:56.52 | Chrissy2k5 | sorry :( |
| 12:57.17 | puter | fuck you, prick. the point is that you're not going to know how |
| 12:57.22 | resiak | Chrissy2k5: No worries. Oh, reading the Debian Reference will also help you to orientate yourself in Debian. |
| 12:57.24 | bodq | green_earz: I thought jidgo-lite is stable enough |
| 12:57.26 | resiak | !tell Chrissy2k5 -about debian reference |
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| 12:57.41 | green_earz | bodq: in the dir you want wget http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo |
| 12:57.52 | markybob | cafuego, mind getting rid of puter? trolling |
| 12:57.59 | Cyanophytes | all fixed |
| 12:58.03 | Overand | Chrissy2k5: apt-cache search is *great* |
| 12:58.14 | Chrissy2k5 | cool |
| 12:58.15 | bodq | green_earz: I've downloaded both jigdo and jigdo-templates |
| 12:58.28 | bodq | green_earz: yes, that was the path I used |
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| 12:58.57 | trogger | anyone know which kernel module to use for the Marvell ethernet controller? |
| 12:59.05 | green_earz | bodq: then jigdo-lite sarge-i386-1.jigdo |
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| 12:59.17 | bodq | green_earz: i'm going just that |
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| 12:59.24 | bodq | green_earz: see above for the error i'm getting |
| 12:59.29 | Gnea | trogger: sk98lin apparantly |
| 12:59.46 | kbrooks | markybob, how is he trolling |
| 12:59.52 | resiak | trogger: google marvell ethernet linux -- first result tells you. |
| 13:00.09 | Ketter | kbrooks: don't.. just don't.. not worth it |
| 13:00.21 | trogger | resiak, Gnea: thank you. |
| 13:00.26 | kbrooks | Ketter, dont WHAT |
| 13:00.30 | green_earz | bodq: have you got the room on the drive df -h |
| 13:01.03 | Ketter | kbrooks: the "trolling" issue, and what it is.. or what it isn't.. it's just not worth it |
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| 13:01.17 | Gnea | trolling about trolls...heh |
| 13:01.25 | honschu | Where in the kernel is the Baudrate, Parity, Datalength etc. set for serial joysticks? |
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| 13:01.29 | kbrooks | Ketter, eh, k |
| 13:01.36 | kaner | 9600 i guess |
| 13:01.47 | Gnea | put together an army of orcs while yer at it |
| 13:01.48 | honschu | kaner, not which - where |
| 13:01.51 | Gnea | :P |
| 13:01.57 | bodq | green_earz: 60Gb |
| 13:02.02 | kaner | oh, ic |
| 13:02.24 | honschu | kaner, because I do not understand the serio-stuff of the kernel |
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| 13:02.41 | kaner | but it has to be somewhere in the driver code |
| 13:03.32 | green_earz | bodq: try another two fresh downloads of the jigdo file. remove the old ones, its worth a retry. |
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| 13:05.11 | green_earz | bodq: what the command you are using and its ok to jigdo as genral user |
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| 13:06.30 | bodq | green_earz: it's fresh |
| 13:06.38 | simonrvn | @wb greycat |
| 13:06.40 | ravenbird | Welcome back greycat, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 13:06.51 | Overand | heh |
| 13:06.59 | bodq | green_earz: I think I'll make normal ISOs |
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| 13:07.00 | Overand | greycat and ravenbird... nice |
| 13:07.29 | green_earz | bodq: what the command you are runing ? |
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| 13:07.46 | bodq | green_earz: jigdo-lite sage*1*.jigdo |
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| 13:07.51 | bodq | err, sarge |
| 13:07.56 | green_earz | bodq: no no |
| 13:08.04 | Overand | i don't see a reason to make 'full' iso sets |
| 13:08.06 | Overand | just use the net installer |
| 13:08.08 | bodq | green_earz: ? |
| 13:08.10 | Overand | save the world some wasted bandwidth |
| 13:08.31 | green_earz | bodq: jido-lite sarge-i386-1.jigdo |
| 13:08.35 | Overand | unless of course you're going to install on a low-bandwidth box or a disconnected box |
| 13:08.55 | Gnea | heh |
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| 13:09.43 | green_earz | bodq: ls the dir where the jigdo files are and paste in #flood |
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| 13:10.48 | bodq | green_earz: i'm sorry, it's too late, I've dumped the affaig and am just getting normal ISOs |
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| 13:11.30 | green_earz | bodq: its a shame jidgo is the tool you want to update the iso |
| 13:11.42 | pzn | Hi! what do you recommend for reading about making linux clusters with debian? |
| 13:11.51 | bodq | green_earz: I've deleted everything already :) |
| 13:12.02 | _joey | has anyone tried NeroLinux ? There's official release for Debian 2.4 kernels from Nero |
| 13:12.03 | bodq | green_earz: better luck next time :) |
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| 13:12.14 | _joey | http://www.nero.com/en/PR_2005_03_17.html |
| 13:12.16 | green_earz | bodq: so one more go ? ? |
| 13:13.14 | Overand | green_earz: 'better luck next time' is an expression |
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| 13:13.44 | green_earz | Overand: i finding that out, thanks |
| 13:13.49 | Gnea | whoa |
| 13:13.55 | Gnea | so basically they made nero for linux |
| 13:14.05 | Overand | Gnea: i've heard it sucks |
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| 13:14.12 | LordFrith | SO, of course I haven't bothered googling for it yet, but we were about to use debian on a cluster of around 54 machines or so. The question came up: if he have a master NFS server that the cluster mounts /usr/bin off of (let's say that the machine mount /usr/bin off of nfsserver:/cluster/usr/bn for example), how hard is it going to be to make apt upgrade nicely across the cluster? Will we have to run it on every machine (to catch any directories |
| 13:14.22 | Gnea | Overand: got a source to back that claim up? |
| 13:14.38 | Overand | Gnea: since it's an opinion, no. |
| 13:14.43 | Overand | google 'nero linux review' |
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| 13:15.07 | Gnea | i don't care either way |
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| 13:15.21 | jm_ | LordFrith: that doesn't make sense |
| 13:15.29 | varun | gdday |
| 13:15.30 | LordFrith | What part? |
| 13:15.33 | Gnea | LordFrith: NFS in a cluster? egads... |
| 13:15.38 | _joey | I haven't tried it yet |
| 13:15.45 | linuxfreck | LordFrith: look into fai |
| 13:15.49 | jm_ | shared /usr/bin - what's the point if you're gonna upgrade all the machines anyway? |
| 13:15.55 | _joey | but I can' tell uilities we have at the moment on linux to burn dvds suck too |
| 13:15.57 | LordFrith | linuxfreck: That I am already doing. |
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| 13:16.11 | varun | i have a problem with the frame buffer.... |
| 13:16.12 | LordFrith | jm_: To keep 'em, nice and consistent. |
| 13:16.30 | linuxfreck | LordFrith: and don't do nonsense like having /usr/bin on nfs |
| 13:16.33 | jm_ | LordFrith: using the same packages on them will achieve the same |
| 13:17.05 | Overand | just make sure to use an apt-proxy |
| 13:17.21 | varun | if i say bga=791 it says that that mode is not supported...if i say vga=305 there is no output to my screen....can anybody help?? |
| 13:17.31 | LordFrith | jm_: This I know. However, if I don't have a common mount point for /usr/bin, I'm worried that one guy will install one package on a small subset of machines that he needs at the moment. And quite quickly the cluster diverges from heterogeneous. |
| 13:17.35 | jm_ | varun: read svga.txt |
| 13:17.44 | LordFrith | linuxfreck: Why would that be nonsense? |
| 13:17.45 | varun | i did |
| 13:18.00 | varun | still doesnt work.... |
| 13:18.03 | jm_ | LordFrith: yeah, but using /usr/bin and packages makes no sense |
| 13:18.05 | Gnea | LordFrith: that's what /usr/local/bin is for |
| 13:18.16 | Overand | wait a minute |
| 13:18.19 | linuxfreck | LordFrith: this makes only sense if you have the complete /usr on nfs |
| 13:18.36 | Overand | what's the package name of apt-proxy? |
| 13:18.41 | Gnea | linuxfreck: but he's only talking about /usr/bin not /usr |
| 13:18.45 | linuxfreck | and it will slow stuff down in an awful way, and harddisks are large enough nowadays |
| 13:18.49 | LordFrith | linuxfreck: Good point. So I'll mount /usr over NFS. |
| 13:18.54 | markybob | Overand, uh. apt-proxy |
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| 13:19.10 | Gnea | man |
| 13:19.14 | linuxfreck | furthermore you'll have problems keeping stuff in /var and /etc synced |
| 13:19.21 | Gnea | i'm glad i'm not on LordFrith's lan |
| 13:19.23 | Overand | markybob: it's not showing up on my apt-cache show |
| 13:19.30 | LordFrith | linuxfreck: It shouldn't slow stuff down too much. Once the bin is loaded into memory, it's not as ifg it's going to be hitting the NFS for every code line. |
| 13:19.36 | liable | varun: stock kernel? |
| 13:19.47 | markybob | Overand, /msg dpkg info apt-proxy |
| 13:19.49 | markybob | Overand, that's what it is |
| 13:20.00 | LordFrith | Gnea: How do you know you aren't? ;) |
| 13:20.22 | Gnea | LordFrith: because i'm not currently at uni ;) |
| 13:20.31 | LordFrith | Well, that would do it. |
| 13:20.33 | Overand | maybe it's sid only? i'll hit packages.deb |
| 13:20.41 | resiak | !info apt-proxy sarge |
| 13:20.52 | varun | kernel is 2.6.11.6 from kernel.org with bootsplash patch |
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| 13:21.14 | Overand | stable, unstable |
| 13:21.16 | Overand | not testing? |
| 13:21.17 | Overand | hrm |
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| 13:21.22 | jm_ | bootsplash sounds like something that wants FB |
| 13:21.23 | Gnea | LordFrith: you haven't used linux for very long - eventually you'll see the flaws in your setup, but not until it creates havoc |
| 13:21.29 | drasko | how to enable midi? I can not hear anything from Muse... |
| 13:21.32 | linuxfreck | LordFrith: you still have the problem of syncing stuff |
| 13:21.42 | resiak | Overand: He's updating his files. |
| 13:21.49 | LordFrith | linuxfreck: What do you expect to be syncing often? |
| 13:21.53 | Overand | resiak: he? |
| 13:21.56 | liable | varun: so you compiled it? |
| 13:22.04 | resiak | Overand: It. dpkg. |
| 13:22.06 | varun | yes |
| 13:22.08 | Overand | ah. k |
| 13:22.11 | linuxfreck | and network bandwith tends to be the problem in clusters anyway |
| 13:22.11 | stew | !gender |
| 13:22.11 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 13:22.12 | varun | i did |
| 13:22.21 | LordFrith | Gnea: Well, without addressing the 'not using linux long' comment, what flaws specifically would you see? |
| 13:22.22 | Overand | well, check out packages.debian.org |
| 13:22.27 | Overand | it's only stable and unstable |
| 13:22.37 | resiak | Overand: Ah. Yeah, you're right. |
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| 13:22.40 | linuxfreck | LordFrith: every apt-get install or upgrade may change things in /etc and /opt and /var |
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| 13:22.50 | liable | varun: include framebuffer support? |
| 13:22.55 | varun | yes |
| 13:22.58 | directhex|work | why on eartn would you use the same network for MPI and file transfer? |
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| 13:23.21 | linuxfreck | LordFrith: binaries on nfs were interesting when harddisk sizes were small |
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| 13:23.27 | stew | !why is apt-proxy not in testing |
| 13:23.28 | dpkg | apt-proxy is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=apt-proxy |
| 13:23.33 | LordFrith | linuxfreck: Yes, this would be the point. |
| 13:23.41 | varun | its not my kernel config which went wrong...with the kernel which was installed by the debian installer the same problem comes up |
| 13:23.52 | qwertz | Hi! Does anybody know if it's possible to use a blackberry in combination with linux (Evolution)? |
| 13:23.55 | LordFrith | linuxfreck: The point is to keep everything consistent. |
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| 13:24.05 | Gnea | LordFrith: well as linuxfreck pointed out, there's the bandwidth issue - then there's also the fact that you've got 54 clients pounding on the same binaries at the same time - tell me, what sort of infrastructure do you have on the main server(s) that are serving the NFS mount to compensate for this? |
| 13:24.11 | LordFrith | It's an issue of maintenance, not of space saving. |
| 13:24.20 | darxeth | whats the word to change language in the terminal..? |
| 13:24.31 | kaner | darxeth: export LANG=foo |
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| 13:24.34 | ix | darxeth, "sesam sesam" |
| 13:24.35 | ix | ;DE |
| 13:24.42 | ix | err... minus the E |
| 13:24.42 | Overand | it's not in testing because: "it uses keep-alive in http 1.0" |
| 13:25.01 | LordFrith | We're basically on a gigabit network (full backbone) with a server with around a gig of ram and 2 15000RPM scsi drives. |
| 13:25.05 | linuxfreck | LordFrith: and I really doubt that having one half of the system on nfs and the other on over 50 clients will help keeping stuff in sync |
| 13:25.09 | Overand | ah. and it does so *wrong* |
| 13:25.26 | ix | what are these clients going to do? |
| 13:25.42 | darxeth | kaner: foo? |
| 13:25.44 | Gnea | it is as i thought |
| 13:25.45 | puter | XFree86 is not properly recognizing my mouse. by that i mean it gives me errors such as, "XF86O Open serial: cannot open device /dev/psaux" |
| 13:25.55 | puter | what should i do? |
| 13:26.08 | jm_ | install windows maybe |
| 13:26.20 | Overand | personally, i'd "cat /dev/mouse" and see if it outputs junk when you move the mouse |
| 13:26.29 | Overand | er |
| 13:26.36 | Overand | /dev/psaux |
| 13:26.38 | Overand | but |
| 13:26.43 | Overand | i'd point to /dev/input/mice |
| 13:26.46 | Overand | or whatever |
| 13:26.46 | resiak | modprobe mousedev |
| 13:26.50 | ifireball | ok. I got udev, now how do I make it create /dev/psaux ? |
| 13:26.51 | LordFrith | linuxfreck: Right, so I was debating putting -everything- on NFS. INcluding all the vars and opts. I was hoping there'd be a nice way to do this, however. For example, if the main system binaries tayed on each system (no need to pounbd the NFS server for cp, for example), but I could coerce aopt to use /usr/var instaead of /var, and then have all the mysql's, etc, installed that way. |
| 13:26.52 | Overand | i dunno, i haven't screwe with mice in ages |
| 13:27.05 | Rydekull | http://www.google.com/googlegulp/index.html |
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| 13:27.24 | linuxfreck | LordFrith: mysql? wtf will your cluster do? |
| 13:27.26 | Overand | LordFrith: you can't put everything on NFS without having a nice script checking each box's mac address or something like that so it knows which one it is |
| 13:27.29 | puter | Overand, /dev/mouse also fails to load |
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| 13:27.31 | LordFrith | ix: Usually these run home-grown programs for testing various protocols. P2P, web serving, etc. |
| 13:27.32 | markybob | hahaha....anyone seen the april fools link on google.com? to "google gulp" ...that's hilarious stuff |
| 13:27.37 | Overand | puter: /dev/input/mice |
| 13:27.38 | giansalvo | I'm trying to install the driver for the printer Tally T9312. I found it for RedHat. Can I hope it to work with sarge? |
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| 13:28.00 | ix | still, as our fine gents here pointed out - you need some hell of an infrastructure to keep this going stable |
| 13:28.07 | LordFrith | Overand: It's a private network. Not a big problem. And with rootsquash, also not an issue. |
| 13:28.07 | puter | Overand, well, the "Generic mouse" fails to load which ever device that corresponds to |
| 13:28.07 | jm_ | markybob: they also have one on gmail page |
| 13:28.15 | giansalvo | or is there a generic-printer driver I can try? |
| 13:28.26 | Overand | puter: did you try doing what i suggested |
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| 13:28.29 | Overand | with 'cat /dev/whatever' |
| 13:28.31 | Overand | and moving the mouse |
| 13:28.34 | markybob | jm_ i read. infinity+1 :) |
| 13:28.38 | Overand | (control-c to kill that once it goes) |
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| 13:28.44 | markybob | jm_ i hope the 2G bit isnt a joke, though. |
| 13:28.49 | jm_ | markybob: heh |
| 13:28.51 | puter | Overand, not yet. im in console so i have to quit irc to do anything |
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| 13:29.01 | Overand | puter: you need to learn to use GNU SCreen then |
| 13:29.04 | linuxfreck | LordFrith: well a lot of stuff, won't work with root_squash, e.g setuid binaries |
| 13:29.14 | Overand | puter: before you do ANYTHING else |
| 13:29.15 | puter | Overand, is that the ctrl-alt-fN? |
| 13:29.16 | Overand | learn to use this |
| 13:29.18 | Overand | no |
| 13:29.25 | Overand | but that's good too |
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| 13:29.32 | Overand | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 |
| 13:29.34 | Overand | read that article, puter |
| 13:29.41 | Overand | it's the second result on a google search for 'gnu screen' |
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| 13:29.52 | puter | i cant open xwindows remember..? |
| 13:29.53 | puter | heheh |
| 13:29.55 | Overand | and don't say "i can't because i'm in console." |
| 13:29.56 | Overand | dude |
| 13:29.59 | puter | i need to fix the mouse first |
| 13:29.59 | Overand | apt-get install links |
| 13:30.00 | ix | screen is THE most important program for me |
| 13:30.02 | Overand | apt-get install lynx |
| 13:30.07 | Overand | there are text mode browsers |
| 13:30.08 | Overand | use one |
| 13:30.11 | Overand | learn to use GNU Screen |
| 13:30.12 | Overand | ASAP |
| 13:30.16 | cadu | hi , when i try to run xmms , i get some problems regarding inconsistency in ld.so |
| 13:30.24 | Overand | do not use linux console without knowing how to use SCREEN |
| 13:30.25 | puter | GNU Screen... i wrote that down |
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| 13:30.40 | ix | puter, seriously - listen to Overand. GNU screen is EXTREMELY helpful. |
| 13:30.41 | Overand | puter: or just switch 'virtual consoles' like you said before and do it there |
| 13:30.41 | cadu | and xmms doesn't finds libasound.so etc etc (but in its directory the real files are others , libALSA.so by example) |
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| 13:31.05 | puter | heh. i'll do that for now |
| 13:31.08 | green_earz | cadu: have you installed the nvidia 3d driver ? |
| 13:31.25 | ix | Overand, you think he'll manage it? |
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| 13:31.34 | Overand | Putiikki: do that for now IN ORDER TO READ ON HOW TO USE GNU SCREEN |
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| 13:31.41 | cadu | green_earz: yeah |
| 13:31.42 | Overand | er |
| 13:31.44 | Overand | puter: |
| 13:31.48 | puter | heheh i quit for a second |
| 13:31.50 | ix | puter, how do you do, mr. screen? |
| 13:32.09 | puter | heheh |
| 13:32.13 | cadu | green_earz: i made my own kernel + headers , then used NVIDIA package to add its module to my custom kernel...restarted , all seems fine , gl hardware working, but xmms is doing this |
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| 13:32.19 | Overand | puter: are you running SCREEN yet? |
| 13:32.30 | green_earz | cadu: start xmms in a console and past the result into #flood |
| 13:32.35 | puter | Overand, no i'm doing ctrl-alt-fN |
| 13:32.43 | LordFrith | linuxfreck: The good news is that a quick check indicates only 36 utilities we might have to live without. |
| 13:32.44 | Overand | puter: learn to use gnu screen |
| 13:32.45 | Overand | please |
| 13:32.54 | puter | all in good time |
| 13:32.56 | puter | :) |
| 13:32.59 | pzn | does debian kernels come with patches for clusters like mosix? |
| 13:33.01 | Overand | the good time is now |
| 13:33.05 | Wyzard | cadu: I seem to remember having to install some particular library or plugin, that wasn't marked in the dependencies, before xmms would work |
| 13:33.14 | Overand | all the time you've spend screwing around would have been enough to learn the basics |
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| 13:33.22 | Overand | it'll take you 3 minutes to learn the basics |
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| 13:33.24 | Overand | unless you're a tool |
| 13:33.29 | cadu | Wyzard: strange , but it was working :D |
| 13:33.33 | greycat | Wyzard: probably libmikmod2 or vorbis-tools |
| 13:33.35 | cadu | Overand: screen rocks indeed |
| 13:33.36 | ix | puter, screen, NOW. |
| 13:33.50 | Wyzard | greycat: Yes, mikmod it was |
| 13:33.56 | cadu | puter: ^A "c" , ^A "A" , ^A "\"" and you're set |
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| 13:34.34 | LordFrith | It's also nice to map ctrl-left arrow and ctrl-right arrow. |
| 13:34.34 | Overand | the guy who wrote the article on kuro5hin wasn't aware of ^A "\" afaik though |
| 13:34.39 | LordFrith | (For screen, that is) |
| 13:34.47 | ix | cadu, running what release? |
| 13:34.48 | Overand | aye |
| 13:34.53 | Unskill3d | hi! how can i create a link to a html-document on my gnome desktop? |
| 13:34.58 | ix | the xmms-problem, that is |
| 13:34.59 | cadu | sarge |
| 13:35.11 | cadu | i'm isntalling the libs it is asking |
| 13:35.24 | cadu | thnx , it ran |
| 13:35.26 | cadu | D: |
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| 13:35.32 | ix | haha ;D |
| 13:35.34 | ix | nice |
| 13:35.44 | Wyzard | Unskill3d: Right-click on desktop, pick "New Launcher". Choose "Link" in the Type dropdown. |
| 13:35.45 | cadu | ahahha worked |
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| 13:35.51 | ix | if the problem consists, try sid |
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| 13:38.18 | green_earz | cadu: check out streamtuner for net radio |
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| 13:39.29 | puter | why is it that my XFree86.conf works under kernel 2.2 but under 2.6 it complains about the mouse? |
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| 13:39.56 | Wyzard | puter: USB mouse? Or PS/2? |
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| 13:40.13 | puter | Wyzard, im on a laptop w/ touch pad |
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| 13:40.27 | jm_ | puter: you failed to load the modules or it's pointing to a wrong device |
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| 13:40.36 | puter | Wyzard, so def not usb |
| 13:40.44 | Wyzard | Probably PS/2 then... is your XF86Config using /dev/psaux as the mouse device? |
| 13:40.48 | stew | puter: in the FAQ search for "OtherHardware" |
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| 13:41.26 | jm_ | or /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 13:41.27 | jm_ | or 2.6 ps2 |
| 13:41.27 | Unskill3d | Wyzard: but if i do so i can only open it with a editor. so maybe i must create a mozilla link with the path to the local html doc ? |
| 13:41.36 | Wyzard | puter: In 2.6, PS/2 mouse support is handled by the input subsystem just like USB mice. So you want to use /dev/input/mice as your mouse device. |
| 13:41.42 | Unskill3d | shit why is it so complicated |
| 13:41.47 | stew | does this mean he owes greycat a quater? |
| 13:41.54 | jm_ | I think so |
| 13:42.02 | Wyzard | puter: /dev/psaux in 2.6 is just a compatibility thing, equivalent to /dev/input/mice but only if you've compiled in support for it |
| 13:42.45 | stew | jm_: he didn't say worked in 2.4 though :) |
| 13:42.51 | stew | he said worked in 2.2 |
| 13:42.54 | jm_ | stew: ahh yeah, 2.2 - damn |
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| 13:42.58 | Wyzard | Unskill3d: A normal web URL works fine for me, and opens in a browser as I'd expect |
| 13:43.08 | puter | Wyzard, i did apt-get install kernel-image ... |
| 13:43.13 | Wyzard | Unskill3d: For a local file, maybe a "file://" URL rather than a raw filename? |
| 13:43.28 | Wyzard | puter: I dunno whether psaux support would be in that kernel, then... just use /dev/input/mice |
| 13:43.30 | Unskill3d | Wyzard: ok i will have a closer look on it. thx |
| 13:43.30 | Chris``` | omg omg omg .. who thaught of JUngle and Drum`n`Bass |
| 13:43.32 | Chris``` | its crazy |
| 13:43.59 | kbrooks | how do I create a swap file |
| 13:44.10 | jm_ | kbrooks: man mkswap |
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| 13:44.21 | greycat | also man swapon |
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| 13:44.53 | Wyzard | kbrooks: Swap is normally put in dedicated partitions rather than in files, for performance reasons, btw |
| 13:44.55 | pothead | greycat: are you familiar with AIX? (since you use HP-UX, and I have an AIX question, I was wondering if you could help) |
| 13:45.00 | Pappa | G-lined: disallowed channel name <- sweet |
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| 13:45.34 | pothead | Wyzard: they're both old and propriatary unix systems? :) |
| 13:45.36 | drac | Hmm, so I can safely leave out /dev/psaux compability support from kernel on next compilation.. And my PS/2 mouse appears on /dev/input/mice (2.6.11.6) :o |
| 13:45.37 | asg | Wyzard: they are both not Debian? |
| 13:45.42 | Wyzard | lol |
| 13:45.48 | drac | ? |
| 13:45.49 | pothead | asg: that too :) |
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| 13:46.10 | jm_ | drac: you can use /dev/input/mice even if that option is enabled, but yes, you don't need it |
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| 13:47.14 | green_earz | cadu: check out armagetrom |
| 13:47.32 | green_earz | cadu: armagetron |
| 13:47.55 | kbrooks | ok |
| 13:48.02 | kbrooks | u rurned on swap |
| 13:48.12 | kbrooks | i* turned* |
| 13:48.28 | kbrooks | now to resrtart eclipse and see if it will adjust |
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| 13:49.25 | pi | can anyon ehere give me some procmail help? |
| 13:49.26 | Wyzard | kbrooks: How much RAM do you have? |
| 13:49.40 | pi | I've got postfix+spamassassin+procmail. |
| 13:49.50 | pi | I'm effectively tagging all spam that comes in. |
| 13:50.02 | pi | But I'm a bit confused as to the differnt kinds of procmail setups. |
| 13:50.04 | asg | pi: man procmailex (it has tons of examples) |
| 13:50.22 | pi | I dont want to have separate .procmailrc's for each user I have. |
| 13:50.30 | pi | I really just want one global rc. |
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| 13:50.35 | pi | But i dont know where to configure procmail. |
| 13:50.46 | greycat | !system wide |
| 13:50.46 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 13:50.50 | pi | I do a procmail -v and it shows that the default rc is in the home dir. |
| 13:50.56 | kbrooks | Wyzard, 256. why? |
| 13:51.14 | pi | oh comon.. thats not fair.. I just want to globally filters spam out. |
| 13:51.32 | pi | besides, how many of the users do you actually think even know what CLI is? |
| 13:51.34 | greycat | pi: so ask #postfix or #spamassassin or #procmail |
| 13:51.35 | Wyzard | kbrooks: OK, that's enough for Eclipse... though only barely |
| 13:51.46 | pi | much less how to configure procmail to filter spam, or filter anything else for that matter. |
| 13:51.47 | kbrooks | Wyzard, i have very few MB free |
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| 13:52.00 | greycat | kbrooks: good. |
| 13:52.01 | pi | oh, we have a #procmail channel? |
| 13:52.08 | mikeOman | join #crevardo |
| 13:52.18 | pothead | is that kbrooks from the qotd ? |
| 13:52.24 | greycat | !listvals kbrooks |
| 13:52.25 | jm_ | pi: www.procmail.org also has lots of useful docs/links/... |
| 13:52.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kbrooks' by value (1): qotd71. |
| 13:52.29 | greycat | !qotd71 |
| 13:52.29 | dpkg | qotd71 is probably <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 13:52.35 | pothead | heh |
| 13:53.05 | Overand | heh |
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| 13:53.16 | Overand | puter: using GNU Screen yet? |
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| 13:53.39 | puter | arg... heheh... ah-hem.. yes. |
| 13:54.07 | takatumi_ | "1DHMZ4-0002rm-OU malware acl condition: unable to connect to sophie UNIX socket (/var/run/sophie). errno=2" (exim4), what's this supposed to be? |
| 13:54.35 | greycat | april fool's joke? |
| 13:54.35 | puter | hey. i tried setting up the /dev/input/mice and the /dev/psaux |
| 13:54.50 | asg | takatumi_: look at the malware acl in the exim spec |
| 13:54.51 | Overand | puter: did you try cat /dev/input/mice ? |
| 13:54.58 | takatumi_ | greycat: hope not. |
| 13:55.02 | asg | !rfc4041 |
| 13:55.02 | dpkg | Requirements for Morality Sections in Routing Area Drafts. A. Farrel. April-01-2005. (Format: TXT=15249 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) |
| 13:55.08 | puter | now i'll go try that. what's ti's supposed to look like? |
| 13:55.23 | Overand | garbage |
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| 13:55.28 | Overand | that will spit more junk when you move the mouse |
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| 13:55.33 | Overand | if that's the right device and said device works |
| 13:55.35 | greycat | asg: I added rating headers to wooledge.org, by the way. |
| 13:55.37 | Overand | there's probably a 'better' way to test this |
| 13:55.45 | greycat | asg: gotta let them all know that it's a bad influence for children. |
| 13:55.53 | asg | greycat: oooh :) |
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| 13:56.05 | Overand | puter: control-c to kill that once it's going |
| 13:56.31 | puter | Overand, No such device. |
| 13:56.57 | jm_ | puter: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse ; /msg dpkg 2.6 ps2 |
| 13:57.23 | puter | okay... let's try that |
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| 13:58.00 | greycat | asg: http://www.icra.org/faq/decode/ |
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| 13:59.58 | Overand | hrm |
| 14:00.06 | Overand | maybe he *hasn't* figured out how to use screen yet? |
| 14:00.45 | orchid | is it normal for cron to restart sshd? I notice in my logs it was restarted at 6:30am and I dont know why sshd would need restarting via cron |
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| 14:01.14 | orchid | Apr 1 06:26:01 lemonjelly sshd[31587]: Received SIGHUP; restarting |
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| 14:01.53 | asg | greycat: ah, interesting |
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| 14:02.00 | puter | How do I reconfigure my XFree86 all over again? |
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| 14:02.08 | greycat | !faq puter |
| 14:02.09 | dpkg | puter: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:02.20 | nagual | orchid: no |
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| 14:03.39 | orchid | nagual: hmm, so now what? |
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| 14:04.29 | nagual | orchid: id start out with chkrootkit, checksecurity and rkhunter :) |
| 14:04.50 | orchid | yeah I ran chkrootkit, nothing there |
| 14:04.55 | orchid | Apr 1 06:25:02 lemonjelly su[492]: + ??? root-nobody |
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| 14:05.05 | orchid | thats from auth.log |
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| 14:05.24 | tarzeau | the plastic soldier "sarge" is coming, really! http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00003.html |
| 14:05.35 | greycat | xk: nice ident! |
| 14:05.42 | nagual | well, if its an important machine id reinstall it. do some forensics. |
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| 14:05.58 | asg | greycat: takes one to know one |
| 14:06.04 | pothead | backup whole drives, THEN reinstall, otherwise you won't forensics much |
| 14:06.14 | Devil_Kin | hey ppl |
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| 14:06.29 | Devil_Kin | font question: how can i get a GTK2 app to allow me to select the 'fixed' font? (app is xchat) |
| 14:06.39 | xk | greycat: yeah, I stole it from you ;) |
| 14:06.40 | tarzeau | Devil_Kin: use gtk theme switch |
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| 14:06.52 | pzn | which version is newer in debian: 1:0.3.4-7 or 1.5.4-3 ? |
| 14:07.05 | Devil_Kin | tarzeau: fact is, after doing an upgrade of the packages of a three-month-old sarge, the font configuration got screwed |
| 14:07.07 | greycat | pzn: 1: |
| 14:07.11 | tarzeau | pzn: if 1.5.4-3 is 0:1.5.4-3 the first one |
| 14:07.22 | liable | errr |
| 14:07.24 | greycat | !epoch |
| 14:07.24 | dpkg | epoch is probably the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32 bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64 bit architectures. It's also a very ugly concept used by the debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself. |
| 14:07.31 | tarzeau | Devil_Kin: well sarge is not stable |
| 14:07.46 | tarzeau | Devil_Kin: and gtk/gnome change their stuff often |
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| 14:08.06 | pzn | greycat, tarzeau: thanks! |
| 14:08.13 | nSe | hi everybody, i have recently installed sarge, how can i reconfigure my x config so i can turn video size to 1024x800 ? |
| 14:08.17 | sceig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.26 | Devil_Kin | tarzeau: true, but this is like the Nth time that this got fscked up - which is a pain. weird thing is that i could select it earlier, everything looks correct, xfontsel lets me select the font but xchat not.. |
| 14:08.26 | tarzeau | nSe: i don't think you want 1024x800 |
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| 14:08.34 | tarzeau | nSe: but look at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:08.36 | markybob | heh |
| 14:08.46 | tarzeau | Devil_Kin: know bugs.debian.org ? |
| 14:08.56 | tarzeau | Devil_Kin: maybe you want KDE? |
| 14:08.57 | greycat | nSe: bearing in mind that if you edit XF86Config-4 by hand, dpkg-reconfigure will no longer touch it. |
| 14:08.58 | Devil_Kin | very well unfortunately ;p |
| 14:09.11 | tarzeau | Devil_Kin: or .. or .. GNUstep!! |
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| 14:09.31 | Devil_Kin | tarzeau: well, i use kde ;p but it's for a friend of mine who uses... something ;p i think blackbox or smthing, not really sure - i've gone over all the things i could think of, but no avail |
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| 14:10.45 | nSe | greycat: dpkg will be more easy for me... what`s the string? |
| 14:10.58 | sceig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.16 | pothead | !tell sceig -about repeat |
| 14:11.24 | _eth0_ | sceig, hi i use libpcap...... |
| 14:11.25 | xk | hi. I like repeating questions. does this bother anyone? |
| 14:11.26 | markybob | nSe, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:11.31 | tarzeau | xk: no |
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| 14:11.40 | xk | ;) |
| 14:11.42 | markybob | i for one would like to know what "a sarge distro" is |
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| 14:11.48 | tarzeau | xk: but acting like we were mindreaders bothers me |
| 14:11.52 | nSe | markybob: thanks |
| 14:11.58 | invictus | when I try to run my custom compiled kernel (have removed SCSI and USB support) I get kernel panic saying something about the disc. When I looked at the grub config I noticed that my kernel didnt have a initrd, so I copied the initrd of the previous kernel. then the boot managed to go a little further untill it crashed and said something about modules.dep. is this common? |
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| 14:12.19 | sceig | _eth0_:under wich distrib? |
| 14:12.29 | nagual | invictus: you need to make a new initrd. |
| 14:12.32 | _eth0_ | sceig, sarge.... |
| 14:12.33 | xk | Apr 1 22:11:08 latent talkd[1160]: connect from 192.168.2.4 |
| 14:12.40 | xk | is there a way to get rid of those messages that appear every minute? |
| 14:12.46 | asg | xk: appear where? |
| 14:13.00 | xk | asg: in my logs, when I'm in a ytalk session. |
| 14:13.05 | invictus | nagual; I have looked at mkinitrd, but I dont know what I need in the /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 14:13.14 | sceig | you tried python module that use libpcap ? |
| 14:13.15 | xk | s/logs/syslog/ |
| 14:13.24 | markybob | invictus, did you use make-kpkg to build your kernel? |
| 14:13.44 | invictus | markybob; no |
| 14:13.44 | asg | xk: hmmm, either throttle logging in ytalkd or configure it to log to local4 or something and pipe local4 to /dev/null? |
| 14:13.45 | markybob | invictus, why not? |
| 14:14.18 | invictus | markybob; because I have a school project that sais I should do it from the linux-source .tar.bz file |
| 14:14.23 | xk | talkd -q might work |
| 14:14.30 | markybob | invictus, that has nothing to do with it |
| 14:14.41 | asg | xk: maybe, I haven't used talk in a loooong time :) |
| 14:14.45 | Pappa | invictus: buid the things you need into the kernel, not as modules (what you _need_) |
| 14:14.49 | Pappa | build* |
| 14:15.16 | markybob | invictus, inside your precious linux source directory, build the kernel using 'make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image', if you want an initrd (you said you did). that'll give you a deb of your kernel. dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 14:15.18 | xk | I finally got pwmconfig + fancontrol working ;) |
| 14:15.52 | invictus | whats initrd for anyway? |
| 14:15.54 | xk | 1000 rpm cpu fan speed. |
| 14:16.10 | _eth0_ | sceig, sorry, it orders again |
| 14:16.11 | markybob | invictus, in your case, because you didnt configure your kernel correctly |
| 14:16.14 | Pappa | invictus: initial ramdisk, contains modules that are needed at boot-time |
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| 14:16.25 | Pappa | such as root fs support |
| 14:16.42 | invictus | yes the error message is about root fs |
| 14:16.51 | invictus | is that something I can fix without much trouble? |
| 14:16.55 | Pappa | yes |
| 14:16.56 | _eth0_ | sceig, i'm use libpcap in my C programs.... |
| 14:17.00 | Pappa | build it in. |
| 14:17.01 | markybob | invictus, if you do what i told you |
| 14:17.10 | markybob | or configure it correctly built in, as pappa said |
| 14:17.16 | Pappa | say "Y" instead of "M" |
| 14:17.16 | sceig | _eth0_: how ok.. so no python modules... :( |
| 14:18.13 | nSe | "Please enter the video card's bus identifier." should i leave that blank? |
| 14:18.20 | directhex|work | nSe, yes |
| 14:18.36 | nSe | directhex|work: thanks |
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| 14:19.36 | invictus | markybob; I'l give it a shot |
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| 14:20.26 | cbr | does anybody know of a repo that contains gtk-chtheme? |
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| 14:21.39 | Tenkawa | whats the name of the debian hppa channel? |
| 14:22.08 | sussudio | badger |
| 14:22.26 | invictus | markybob; but just so I know; the problem is that I use modules where I should include it in the kernel instead? |
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| 14:22.35 | markybob | invictus, yes. |
| 14:22.40 | invictus | good to know |
| 14:22.50 | greycat | Tenkawa: I'm not aware of one |
| 14:22.55 | markybob | invictus, if you dont feel like reconfiguring (or dont know how), use make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 14:23.06 | Tenkawa | greycat: hmm. there use to be one |
| 14:23.20 | Tenkawa | just been so long since I've been there |
| 14:23.24 | Tenkawa | maybe its gone |
| 14:24.04 | Tenkawa | drats.. got to figure out how to change console during boot |
| 14:24.21 | xk | there's #gentoo-hppa ;) |
| 14:24.40 | pothead | !ve |
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| 14:24.49 | Tenkawa | xk: blah.. but thanks |
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| 14:25.40 | invictus | markybob; is there any way to figure out what parts of the kernel I should include in the kernel instead of as modules to get it working? |
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| 14:26.06 | markybob | invictus, your ide controller, your fs, etc |
| 14:26.07 | directhex|work | invictus, one's own intelligence. or just use an initrd |
| 14:26.10 | xk | invictus: whatever is needed to access your HD and filesystem. |
| 14:26.11 | nullvoid | how can I shorten : lynx -dump http://www.whatismyip.com/ | grep Your | awk '{print $4}' |
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| 14:26.56 | asg | nullvoid: awk '/Your/{print $4}' |
| 14:27.10 | greycat | nullvoid: DAMN IT! Stop cross-posting! |
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| 14:27.53 | xk | need an anti cross posting bot ;) |
| 14:28.00 | invictus | I'l try to reconfigure my kernel then :) |
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| 14:28.48 | asg | 'Mouth watering sluts beg to be fucked' - 0.60 MARKETING_SUBJECT Subject contains popular marketing words (looks like the cuda went bonkers on that one.) |
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| 14:29.08 | sussudio | fucking roldyx |
| 14:29.48 | greycat | asg: how is it possible that all those words were spelled properly? |
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| 14:30.24 | asg | greycat: I've surprised as well. It passed the filter with a score of 3.0 |
| 14:30.37 | ledet | very strange |
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| 14:30.56 | ledet | asg: running any sbl's? |
| 14:31.04 | Rebecca | hey.. my mouse wheel doesnt scroll. ive ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and enabled scroll but it's still broke.. |
| 14:31.04 | asg | ledet: yes |
| 14:31.11 | ledet | even more odd |
| 14:31.17 | asg | ledet: still though, such language should have been instantly tagged. |
| 14:31.20 | maketo | hi, does anyone have experience with ibm xSeries servers? I was given an old pizza box to install Linux on, did it - but the box wont boot. I am wondering if there is anything "special" about these servers, like BIOS looking for a "special" system partition, or maybe the disks need to be somehow "prepared" by some IBM tool? |
| 14:31.31 | ledet | oh well... the topic sounds interesting |
| 14:31.34 | ledet | :) |
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| 14:31.57 | ledet | Rebecca: perhaps youre using the wrong mouse "driver" |
| 14:32.32 | Rebecca | it's a ps2 mouse and i chose the default port option |
| 14:32.53 | ledet | Rebecca: using IM/PS2 or just PS/2? |
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| 14:33.00 | greycat | or auto? |
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| 14:33.18 | directhex|work | maketo, xseries is a rather wide header |
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| 14:33.24 | Rebecca | it's an IMPS/2 compatible mouse. i tried IMPS/2 |
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| 14:34.18 | ledet | Rebecca: tried auto? |
| 14:34.25 | xk | grep ZAxis /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:34.29 | nydust | How do i get debian to find my screen card? |
| 14:34.40 | maketo | directhex|work : xseries 330 |
| 14:34.47 | directhex|work | nydust, what graphics card is it? what version of debian? |
| 14:34.49 | us0571 | can i get the binary version of ns2 ? |
| 14:34.52 | Rebecca | i the same mouse working properly on another version of xfree86 |
| 14:34.52 | tarzeau | nydust: console? x? |
| 14:34.57 | directhex|work | maketo, dual pentium 3? should be fine |
| 14:34.58 | Rebecca | i had* |
| 14:34.59 | tarzeau | nydust: isa? pci? agp? |
| 14:35.11 | nydust | directhex|work, i think it is sarge and i think it is a ati mach32 |
| 14:35.14 | directhex|work | pcie! |
| 14:35.20 | nydust | tarzeau, pci |
| 14:35.26 | nydust | its a old ibm aptiva |
| 14:35.27 | maketo | directhex|work : yes, dual pentium... I am confused because the original drives boot just fine |
| 14:35.35 | tarzeau | directhex|work: what does that look like? sussudio ? scan? www.linuks.mine.nu/sussudio/ |
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| 14:35.50 | maketo | directhex|work : and there is a mention of a "system partition" if you press alt-F1 from the BIOS |
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| 14:36.10 | sussudio | meh? |
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| 14:36.25 | nullvoid | how can I alter my box ip address when ddclient sending the update info? |
| 14:36.38 | cbr | can anybody name me a working gtk+2 theme switcher? |
| 14:36.49 | tarzeau | cbr: gtk-theme-switch , switch2 |
| 14:37.02 | nydust | in the install of debian, i got the question abou what chip sett i have. How do i do that configuration again? |
| 14:37.18 | directhex|work | !drxx |
| 14:37.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 14:37.23 | pothead | nydust: what's this chipset of which you speak? |
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| 14:37.34 | nydust | pothead, ati mach 32 |
| 14:37.40 | christor | Hello I search a soft to mesure the broadband on debian? |
| 14:37.41 | pothead | nydust: then what dpkg said |
| 14:37.48 | tarzeau | christor: the what? |
| 14:38.08 | xk | lol |
| 14:38.12 | directhex|work | tarzeau, http://www.atmarkit.co.jp/fsys/kaisetsu/009pci_innovation/connector.jpg |
| 14:38.18 | xk | probably means how to benchmark a broadband connection |
| 14:38.28 | christor | the broadband adsl max |
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| 14:38.29 | cbr | switch2 isnt in the main repo is it? |
| 14:38.33 | nydust | pothead, now i can make the choise again hope it works now |
| 14:38.35 | christor | xk: yes |
| 14:38.40 | cbr | and gtk-theme-switch doesnt work :S |
| 14:38.41 | greycat | christor: bittorrent. |
| 14:38.47 | directhex|work | tarzeau, also http://www.gamepc.com/images/labs/rev-pciegpuso-x700LG.jpg |
| 14:38.50 | abrotman | google for "broadband speed test" |
| 14:39.04 | christor | I just want a soft who make a test and give me the value |
| 14:39.05 | tarzeau | cbr: sure it is (maybe not in stable) |
| 14:39.08 | christor | to do a mrtg graph |
| 14:39.08 | tarzeau | cbr: and sure it works |
| 14:39.10 | pothead | christor: just fetch an iso |
| 14:39.11 | directhex|work | tarzeau, and http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1075314157.jpg too |
| 14:39.18 | directhex|work | erm... www.adslguide.org.uk has a bandwidth test |
| 14:39.20 | nydust | what is ati's bus identifier? |
| 14:39.24 | cbr | where do i have to place the themes? ~/.themes? |
| 14:39.25 | greycat | !bus id |
| 14:39.28 | dpkg | If you're asking about Bus ID, chances are you need to get a kernel that has agpgart support for your video chipset. Usually this means 2.4.x, but 2.2.25 also has some. When dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 asks you for your Bus ID, if you use x86 (meaning a PC), just leave it blank. |
| 14:39.28 | greycat | !busid |
| 14:39.33 | brainZzZ | he went away for the holidays says he's goin to la but he never got there never got there |
| 14:39.38 | directhex|work | nydust, leave it blank. if you MUST enter one, go to a console and type "lspci -X" |
| 14:40.07 | maketo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.10 | greycat | !punish debconf for making the instructions VANISH FROM THE SCREEN when that fucking bus ID interactive dialog box comes up |
| 14:40.23 | directhex|work | !busid is also lspci -X might also help |
| 14:40.23 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 14:40.23 | greycat | LoonaTick: turn off that script. |
| 14:40.40 | pothead | !punish the damn XL c++ compiler for hiding in /dev/null |
| 14:40.41 | nydust | aha its a ati 3d rage pro |
| 14:40.44 | nydust | agp |
| 14:40.44 | directhex|work | greycat, use the gnome gconf frontend, it has help text when you hover the mose over the box |
| 14:40.53 | greycat | directhex|work: riiiiight. |
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| 14:40.56 | asg | haha |
| 14:41.04 | greycat | directhex|work: yeah, that's what I want. A gui. Uh huh. |
| 14:41.08 | directhex|work | well it does :'( |
| 14:41.42 | greycat | seriously, whoever made it *clear the screen* before asking its questions needs to be whipped. |
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| 14:41.47 | pothead | how many blootbot orvariants do we have here with the same addressing char? |
| 14:42.01 | petemc | !hello |
| 14:42.01 | dpkg | Hi, petemc! |
| 14:42.01 | caphuso | pothead: one |
| 14:42.05 | xk | heh |
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| 14:42.25 | greycat | pothead: at a time, anyway. |
| 14:42.27 | pothead | got noticed by loonatick after my !punish |
| 14:42.27 | simonrvn | we coordinate ;) |
| 14:42.34 | greycat | 09:40 greycat> LoonaTick: turn off that script. |
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| 14:42.40 | xk | mirc. |
| 14:42.47 | pothead | yeah I d have figured that out, but there may be rogue bots too ;) |
| 14:42.52 | xk | -:- CTCP VERSION reply from LoonaTick: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 14:42.53 | xk | -:- CTCP VERSION reply from LoonaTick: mIRC v6.15 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 14:42.58 | simonrvn | ick |
| 14:43.08 | xk | it's a bouncer host? |
| 14:43.09 | greycat | it has two different versions? at the same time? |
| 14:43.15 | pothead | hahah |
| 14:43.15 | simonrvn | r00t hole waiting to happen |
| 14:43.18 | pothead | didn't even noticed |
| 14:43.27 | xk | greycat: yeah... it's a bug when you try to set your own version string in mirc. |
| 14:43.30 | xk | or a feature; ) |
| 14:43.34 | pothead | heh |
| 14:43.38 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 14:43.39 | sceig | _eth0_: do you now the "build or installation directory" of lipbcap ? Tlibpcap is /usr/lib/libpcap.so no ? |
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| 14:43.53 | shadow00 | I don't know if this is possible...but I am wanting to find out how I can monitor fttp traffic using vsftp....i would like to see what users are on and there transfers....the vsftpd.log only shows files that have been completed... |
| 14:44.18 | greycat | shadow00: doesn't it have a manual? |
| 14:44.18 | abrotman | more log options? |
| 14:44.21 | pothead | ftpwho should work, at least does for other ftpds |
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| 14:44.47 | shadow00 | it has a config file... |
| 14:44.55 | shadow00 | that's about it.. |
| 14:45.31 | pothead | then pick a ftpd with better docs |
| 14:45.42 | shadow00 | xferlog_file=/var/log/vsftpd.log xferlog_std_format=YES |
| 14:45.44 | nydust | i get an error. Fatal Server error: no screens found |
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| 14:45.52 | shadow00 | only option I have found.... |
| 14:45.52 | pothead | !no screens found |
| 14:45.53 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 14:45.59 | nSe | after reconfiguring my x with dpkg and rebooting the system, i still can't change my screen size... what's the problem? |
| 14:46.00 | markybob | pothead, vsftpd is probably the best ftpd out there |
| 14:46.08 | brainZzZ | the only option i have is the leve |
| 14:46.10 | markybob | nSe, why'd you reboot the system? |
| 14:46.14 | pothead | markybob: I couldn't tell you since I don't use ftp |
| 14:46.14 | greycat | WOAH! there's a factoid that begins with "no"? And which *works*? |
| 14:46.23 | nydust | (EE) No devices detected |
| 14:46.30 | xk | greycat: hehehehehe. |
| 14:46.32 | directhex|work | smells like a directhex factoid to me |
| 14:46.37 | directhex|work | !no screens found |
| 14:46.37 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 14:46.38 | shadow00 | markybob: anyway to monitor what is going on... |
| 14:46.40 | directhex|work | bleh |
| 14:46.42 | nSe | markybob: i mean, i reload the x server... |
| 14:46.44 | pothead | what's wrong with no? |
| 14:46.44 | directhex|work | !factinfo no screens found |
| 14:46.44 | dpkg | no screens found -- created by dondelelcaro <~don@archimedes.ucr.edu> at Fri Feb 4 04:54:44 2005 (56 days); it has been requested 36 times, last by directhex|work, 7s ago. |
| 14:46.45 | xk | !factindo no screens found |
| 14:46.48 | directhex|work | hm? |
| 14:46.48 | pothead | ah yes, |
| 14:46.50 | sceig | Somebody know the "build or installation directory" of lipbcap under a sarge system ? libpcap is /usr/lib/libpcap.so no ? |
| 14:46.52 | directhex|work | !factinfo noscreensfound |
| 14:46.52 | dpkg | noscreensfound -- last modified at Thu Jan 27 23:36:18 2005 by directhex!~jms@shields.gotadsl.co.uk; it has been requested 11 times, last by thoreauputic at Thu Mar 3 21:16:31 2005. |
| 14:46.53 | pothead | the dpkg no foo is bar stuff |
| 14:46.58 | nydust | !no devices detected |
| 14:46.58 | directhex|work | ah |
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| 14:47.31 | greycat | pothead: "dpkg, no blah is bleh" is (or used to be!) interpreted as "dpkg: no, blah is bleh", meaning, "forget your current definition of blah and make it bleh instead. |
| 14:47.39 | pothead | yeah got it :) |
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| 14:48.00 | directhex|work | !listkeys ^no |
| 14:48.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of '^no' by key (15 of 154): no! bloot ;; nobody ;; noc ;; nom slackware ;; noob ;; nookie ;; normal ;; northern california ;; noscreensfound ;; not you ;; nota ;; notaroom ;; notdebian ;; now dselect ;; now gpm.conf. |
| 14:48.10 | _eth0_ | sceig, my libpcap are installed in /usr/lib |
| 14:48.17 | directhex|work | now that _IS_ interesting |
| 14:48.22 | directhex|work | no wait, 15 of 154 |
| 14:48.24 | directhex|work | i suck |
| 14:48.27 | pothead | heh |
| 14:48.34 | xk | 5 factoids with ^"no " |
| 14:48.41 | brainZzZ | how can you say something "is" or "is not" al-q when the whole raison d'etre of the "organization" is loosely organized, independently operating franchissess that are bound by ideology? |
| 14:48.44 | directhex|work | yesyes, i know that NOW |
| 14:48.47 | greycat | dpkg, forget now gpm.conf |
| 14:48.47 | dpkg | greycat: i forgot now gpm.conf |
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| 14:49.00 | nydust | !goldstar |
| 14:49.24 | greycat | brainZzZ: uh... wrong channel? |
| 14:49.29 | brainZzZ | wrong channel .. tomatoe is down the hall :) |
| 14:49.29 | markybob | shadow00, yeah, read the doc. tried log_ftp_protocol ? |
| 14:49.59 | shadow00 | ok |
| 14:50.07 | nydust | If my card dosent support dri will X crach if it is on? |
| 14:50.12 | pothead | no |
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| 14:50.21 | markybob | shadow00, http://vsftpd.beasts.org/vsftpd_conf.html |
| 14:50.49 | miktwo | euh, does anyone know a server in french?... |
| 14:51.00 | pothead | !fr |
| 14:51.00 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 14:51.14 | directhex|work | sussudio, if i get my hands on a PCIe card in the not too distant future, want a scan of the connector for that page? |
| 14:51.14 | miktwo | thanks |
| 14:51.15 | nullvoid | how can I get my ddclient to use ip_strategy to use web? |
| 14:51.18 | pothead | miktwo: you're welcome |
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| 14:51.30 | nydust | what device dosent it find when i get this error (EE) No devices detected? |
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| 14:51.50 | pothead | that one is a good one |
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| 14:52.50 | nSe | oh god, i think i lost the dpkg xserver reconfiguring string, could sb tell me once again? |
| 14:53.00 | directhex|work | !drxx |
| 14:53.01 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 14:53.05 | sussudio | directhex|work: guesso |
| 14:53.48 | directhex|work | sussudio, http://www.badgerdirect.com/images/products/bo_bottle_big.jpg |
| 14:54.10 | asg | directhex|work: hmmm, badger essence. |
| 14:54.15 | sussudio | badgers don't drink |
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| 14:54.54 | directhex|work | what about ferrets? |
| 14:54.56 | directhex|work | http://www.badgerdirect.com/images/products/b_ffbottles_big.jpg |
| 14:54.59 | sussudio | nope |
| 14:55.01 | directhex|work | !ferret |
| 14:55.14 | sussudio | !iceweasel |
| 14:55.33 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/iceweasel.jpg |
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| 14:56.23 | StyXman | hi all |
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| 14:56.31 | StyXman | I'm having sigsegv's with sdl |
| 14:56.48 | StyXman | Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) |
| 14:57.12 | sussudio | SDL sucks |
| 14:57.18 | StyXman | I got that with, e.g., ppracer |
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| 14:58.00 | StyXman | and I mean, it not a compiled-by-me think |
| 14:58.07 | StyXman | thing* |
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| 14:58.57 | nSe | ok, i did "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" correctly, but kde keeps showing me just 800x600, and my monitor can do better... what's wrong? |
| 14:59.15 | StyXman | nSe: look into the log for discarded resolutions |
| 15:00.14 | Wille88_ | how I fix those postfix depency problems? |
| 15:00.17 | nSe | StyXman: i did not discard any resolution |
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| 15:02.56 | nSe | StyXman: any idea? |
| 15:03.02 | StyXman | nSe: hmm |
| 15:03.11 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 15:03.11 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 starving oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 15:03.19 | StyXman | nSe: what did you choose to configure it? |
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| 15:03.27 | StyXman | (can't remember the names) |
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| 15:03.57 | greg__ | Alleria: Hi |
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| 15:04.57 | nSe | StyXman: what did i choose to configure it? what do you mean by that? i did "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and typed all the information required... |
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| 15:07.59 | Pappa | evil one-liner -> while(1){system(argv[0])} |
| 15:08.14 | greycat | !info bash sarge |
| 15:08.16 | dpkg | bash: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section base, is required. Version: 2.05b-24 (sarge), Packaged size: 611 kB, Installed size: 1232 kB |
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| 15:09.24 | greycat | 50 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:09.26 | greycat | After unpacking 32.6MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 15:09.29 | xk | lol |
| 15:09.31 | greycat | what the *hell*? |
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| 15:09.38 | kaner | greycat: ? |
| 15:09.44 | greycat | oh... new kernel-image. |
| 15:09.48 | pothead | hah |
| 15:09.53 | Putiikki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.07 | pothead | image or source? :) weights like a kernel tarball |
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| 15:10.14 | abrotman | Putiikki: they are stable/woody |
| 15:10.19 | Putiikki | ok, thanks |
| 15:10.20 | asg | Putiikki: stable |
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| 15:11.39 | nydust | oki, cause it is a low end computer i choose to remove X.. It just will operate as an server. File, print, web, mail and some small tasks for an litle office. Is there any "gui" tools for the konsol? |
| 15:12.17 | nSe | gosh, i think i still needing help: i did "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" correctly but my kde can't do nothing different from 800x600, when my monitor can do better, what i'm supposed to try now? |
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| 15:13.44 | kbrooks | cpp: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory |
| 15:13.50 | kbrooks | what the..... |
| 15:13.54 | asg | !b-e kbrooks |
| 15:13.55 | dpkg | kbrooks: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 15:14.05 | greg__ | nSe: You can remove 800x600 from /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (try it) |
| 15:14.06 | kbrooks | k |
| 15:14.18 | pothead | there! I m not the only one having a pain in the ass cause of c++ compilers |
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| 15:14.43 | kbrooks | thx |
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| 15:16.30 | greg__ | nSe: You will know if it's a driver problem or config problem |
| 15:16.50 | ciga | wherenever I try to write a dvd (hdd), I can't list anything that is on hdc. Why is that? |
| 15:16.50 | toresbe | okay, here's a bit of a brain workout |
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| 15:17.01 | brainZzZ | "default levels" in any homeostatic system is a bit of a catagory error, the dynanism of metabolisms is held within soft margins. the system gets stuck in a rut, people are their bad habits |
| 15:17.16 | pothead | brainZzZ: wrong window again? |
| 15:17.19 | toresbe | I have files in 500 increments from 20000.jpg to 34000.jpg |
| 15:17.20 | nSe | greg__: i think i did it now... it was a config problem, thanks for the patient.... |
| 15:17.23 | brainZzZ | oops wrong window |
| 15:17.30 | asg | pothead: wrong window every 10 minutes or so ... |
| 15:17.32 | toresbe | how can I reverse the order of them? |
| 15:17.41 | pothead | that wasn't a risky bet then |
| 15:17.46 | paulswm | brainZzZ: "catEgory" :P |
| 15:17.57 | brainZzZ | how are ye? :p |
| 15:18.05 | Jon | random thought: a postinst hook for findutils on any package installation to do a localised updatedb |
| 15:18.08 | asg | toresbe: in what way are you listing them? |
| 15:18.31 | greycat | toresbe: they aren't ordered. they're just files. |
| 15:18.32 | Giff | Does anyone know why one password for a particular user would be automatically changed/reset daily, on a base stable install? The user/pass combo are the same exact word, if that makes a difference. |
| 15:18.34 | toresbe | asg: well, I've made a quick bash script that goes through my room and scans them |
| 15:18.48 | Lorvija | Hmm how can i list current connections? |
| 15:18.54 | asg | Lorvija: netstat, lsof |
| 15:18.54 | greycat | Lorvija: man netstat |
| 15:18.54 | toresbe | greycat: but the MPG encoder that eats the files cares. |
| 15:18.58 | Lorvija | thanks |
| 15:18.58 | abrotman | paulswm: you left? |
| 15:19.21 | greycat | toresbe: so you're using some sort of shell globbing in a command, and you want to change how the GLOBBING orders them? |
| 15:19.35 | paulswm | abrotman: I'm here, consider myself persona non grata in the other place, brought upon myslef of course |
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| 15:19.44 | greycat | toresbe: suck them into an array and manipulate the array. array=(*.jpg); .... |
| 15:19.46 | toresbe | uh, sorry, bad explanation, I want 34000 to become 20000 and so on |
| 15:19.55 | greycat | toresbe: you want to RENAME them? |
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| 15:20.08 | toresbe | greycat: yes |
| 15:20.16 | abrotman | paulswm: but we love you .. platonically of course :) |
| 15:20.19 | greycat | toresbe: starts out the same. suck the names into an array and have at it. |
| 15:20.28 | toresbe | greycat: how? :) |
| 15:20.29 | greycat | toresbe: loops are your friend. just watch out if you have an odd number of files. |
| 15:20.41 | greycat | toresbe: what do you mean "how"? It's a program! You write it! |
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| 15:20.45 | greycat | you use loops and indices and so on. |
| 15:20.48 | paulswm | toresbe: so ls them into a file, ls -r them into another file, and use an editor and 'paste' to make mv commands :) |
| 15:20.49 | toresbe | greycat: bah. :) |
| 15:20.56 | xk | bah. |
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| 15:21.03 | asg | black sheep |
| 15:21.03 | toresbe | well, I have an idea for how to do it! |
| 15:21.04 | greycat | paulswm: kludge ;-) |
| 15:21.05 | Lorvija | should i be worried when reply to command "w" is segmentation fault? (: |
| 15:21.11 | toresbe | yay! a smart man is me! :) |
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| 15:21.21 | pothead | Lorvija: you should be glad, at least you no longer leak who's logged in |
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| 15:21.36 | webnav | hi everyone |
| 15:21.38 | paulswm | greycat: But quick, works, and involves minimal brain power :) |
| 15:21.40 | greycat | paulswm: also, you will have a collision issue. you need to use temp names. |
| 15:21.49 | brainZzZ | alamos doesn't have a lot of brain power..actually |
| 15:21.50 | greycat | paulswm: you can't do "mv a b; mv b a" |
| 15:21.53 | Lorvija | pothead right... well how to fix it then? (: |
| 15:22.06 | paulswm | greycat: actually you are right |
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| 15:22.15 | paulswm | !beat me for being dumb |
| 15:22.25 | pothead | Lorvija: ENOCLUE, since you don't gfive any usefull info besides "it segfaults" |
| 15:22.51 | webnav | i need to enable dbase functions on php, but i've downloaded and installed it with apt |
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| 15:22.51 | webnav | how can i do that? |
| 15:22.56 | Lorvija | pothead well what info you need and where to get it? As i've done nothing to the server since it last worked |
| 15:22.58 | pothead | webnav: cd /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/ then read |
| 15:23.03 | asg | webnav: 1) read /usr/share/doc/php4-dbase/* and look for any post install clues |
| 15:23.23 | paulswm | greycat: Well I hope that's the most embarrassing thing I say all day |
| 15:23.59 | webnav | but i don't have php4-dbase installed, it complains about zendapi |
| 15:24.11 | webnav | which is a virtual package, so i can't install it |
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| 15:24.25 | asg | webnav: what debian version are you using? |
| 15:24.26 | greycat | webnav: find what provides it. |
| 15:24.50 | webnav | asg: sarge |
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| 15:25.22 | pothead | aight, I ll just enjoy the traffic jams for a few hours, laters |
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| 15:25.31 | webnav | greycat: on debian package's site, it says that i have to install php4-cgi or php to provide zendapi |
| 15:25.40 | webnav | i installed, but it's not working either |
| 15:25.53 | greycat | !provides php |
| 15:25.54 | webnav | php4-dbase stills complain about it |
| 15:26.04 | greycat | !provides php4-cgi |
| 15:26.07 | asg | webnav: on my sarge, php4-dbase doesn't exist |
| 15:26.09 | dpkg | php4-cgi: phpapi-20020918 |
| 15:26.18 | greycat | webnav: give me a URL. |
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| 15:26.51 | webnav | asg: in fact, i only found php4-dbase on stable repositories |
| 15:27.05 | webnav | greycat: which URL? of my phpinfo? |
| 15:27.11 | greycat | webnav: 10:25 webnav> greycat: on debian package's site, it says that i have to |
| 15:27.15 | greycat | webnav: THAT one. |
| 15:27.41 | webnav | greycat: http://packages.debian.org/stable/virtual/zendapi-20010901 |
| 15:27.55 | greycat | !provides php4 woody |
| 15:27.58 | dpkg | php4: php4-xml, zendapi-20010901 |
| 15:28.02 | greycat | so it does. |
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| 15:28.15 | webnav | but only php4 from stable repositories... |
| 15:28.27 | asg | webnav: yes, there is not php4-dbase in sarge or sid. |
| 15:28.30 | greycat | webnav: well yeah. |
| 15:28.31 | asg | s/not/no/ |
| 15:28.33 | greycat | you can't mix stable and testing. |
| 15:28.39 | greycat | !bobbitt |
| 15:28.39 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 15:28.56 | greycat | they're three years apart. |
| 15:29.01 | webnav | ok, so i'll have to install php4 from stable on my sarge machine... |
| 15:29.20 | greycat | webnav: or 'backport' the woody package to sarge? :) |
| 15:29.27 | sml | when you install php4 on sarge you need to use the new apache module configurator you cant just edit the httpd.con ;)) |
| 15:29.33 | sml | webnav ^ |
| 15:29.40 | asg | sml: what? |
| 15:29.48 | sml | asg: what i said. |
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| 15:30.07 | webnav | greycat: maybe :) |
| 15:30.08 | asg | sml: it just adds the relevant lines, why can't you just edit httpd.conf manually? |
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| 15:30.20 | sml | asg: well you *can* but its not the debain way |
| 15:30.26 | directhex|work | greycat, tell that to the enlightened creator of kanotix, whose sources.list has sarge, sid, testing and stable |
| 15:30.28 | sml | debian way. even has a line at the top saying "DO NOT EDIT" |
| 15:30.29 | sml | lol |
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| 15:30.41 | directhex|work | umodpack from woody runs fine in sarge |
| 15:30.49 | nSe | i think a have a reak problem now: You are using XFree 4.3.0. |
| 15:30.49 | nSe | There are known problems with complex XKB configurations. |
| 15:30.49 | nSe | Try using simpler configuration or a newer version of the XFree software. |
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| 15:31.00 | webnav | guys, again, thanks a lot for your help |
| 15:31.04 | greycat | directhex|work: "chaos-ix"? |
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| 15:31.10 | webnav | i'm going to have lunch now |
| 15:31.21 | webnav | thank you:) see ya |
| 15:31.46 | directhex|work | greycat, whenever i suggest to a kanotix user that mister "kano" isn't a prophet of some kind, they go running to him in #kanotix to talk about it. on the bright side, he IS on irc supporting his mess |
| 15:31.46 | nSe | any idea guys? |
| 15:31.49 | sml | asg: just remember what i read last week on debian-user , there was some big thread on it that i killed ;) |
| 15:31.55 | sml | greycat: hi greycat |
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| 15:32.15 | asg | sml: *nod* |
| 15:32.20 | directhex|work | greycat, i've argued with him before over his does-the-same-job-as-nvidia-installer-just-as-badly 3d driver scripts, which he insists are superior to the nvidia-glx packages |
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| 15:32.38 | asg | directhex|work: you can't argue with some people :) |
| 15:32.44 | greg__ | nSe: That doesn't work ? |
| 15:32.45 | darxeth | pip |
| 15:33.01 | directhex|work | asg, yet the kanotix users end up in here eventually |
| 15:33.08 | darxeth | pipeline |
| 15:33.14 | asg | directhex|work: and get promply sent to where they belong. |
| 15:33.26 | asg | directhex|work: though you are right |
| 15:33.27 | nSe | greg__: sorry, could you give me the filename again? |
| 15:33.32 | Uflenti | hello. i'm a debian noob (linux noob in fact), is this the right channel to ask questions? |
| 15:33.44 | asg | !tell Uflenti about smart questions |
| 15:33.53 | directhex|work | asg, but kano assures people that kanotix is sid with 1 extra package, so they're usually the most in-denial that they're not on pure debian |
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| 15:34.08 | Uflenti | thank you. i'm looking into it |
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| 15:34.19 | greg__ | nSe: You can remove 800x600 from /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (try it) |
| 15:34.30 | asg | directhex|work: but that's not the truth. |
| 15:34.49 | directhex|work | asg, i think i have logs from last night somewhere around |
| 15:35.04 | asg | directhex|work: on here? or #kanotix? |
| 15:35.32 | shadow00 | markybob: im looking at this option...user_config_dir....i just have a question if I just set this option for webdevuser will it only affect that user...and the option for local user to be put into there home directory will it still be in effect... |
| 15:36.08 | directhex|work | asg, here. |
| 15:36.29 | asg | directhex|work: ah, okay. |
| 15:36.54 | directhex|work | asg, someone named (iirc) wwallace was asking which version of debian he was running, i suggested checking his sources.list for which version it was tracking. he came back with stable, testing, sarge, unstable |
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| 15:37.09 | directhex|work | sources-on-crack implies kanotix |
| 15:37.18 | directhex|work | greycat, in what way? |
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| 15:38.09 | Uflenti | asg, i've had a look to smart-questions doc, but i don't think there is something wrong with my question: "hello. i'm a debian noob (linux noob in fact), is this the right channel to ask questions?" |
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| 15:38.37 | asg | Uflenti: no, it wasn't meant for that question. It was a precursor to the one you are about to ask :) |
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| 15:38.38 | greycat | directhex|work: in the "no security holes, and no ``whoops, we need to make a 2.4.27-3-* now''" way |
| 15:38.38 | misfitx7 | when compiling hstap what should i use as my kernel_path |
| 15:38.51 | misfitx7 | *hostap |
| 15:39.02 | greycat | is that some sort of wireless crap? |
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| 15:39.07 | Uflenti | oh ok, now can i ask questions here? i don't want to be flamed by asking in an expert channel :) |
| 15:39.13 | greycat | !tell Uflenti about ask |
| 15:39.22 | asg | Uflenti: you can ask here. |
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| 15:39.26 | misfitx7 | yeah its wireless crap |
| 15:39.44 | greycat | is it a kernel module, or a userspace application, or both? |
| 15:39.45 | asg | ah, glad exim 4.50 made it into sarge |
| 15:40.16 | misfitx7 | module |
| 15:40.21 | directhex|work | kernel module, via m-a |
| 15:40.22 | greycat | misfitx7: then use module-assistant |
| 15:40.43 | directhex|work | with an associated userspace tool or two, too |
| 15:40.48 | directhex|work | !info hostap-source |
| 15:40.48 | greycat | dpkg, no, m-a is <reply> see module-assistant |
| 15:40.49 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:40.51 | dpkg | hostap-source: (Host AP driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.3.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
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| 15:41.02 | Uflenti | ok. i recently installed latest debian stable version by net-install. no problem there. i would like to get into x (kde in this case), but it doesn't allow me to, since i installed x for wrong graphics card. how can i change it? |
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| 15:41.12 | greycat | dpkg, module-assistant is also apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 15:41.13 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:41.13 | asg | !drxx Uflenti |
| 15:41.14 | dpkg | Uflenti: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 15:41.36 | Uflenti | thanks |
| 15:41.40 | asg | Uflenti: you're welcome |
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| 15:44.36 | ruzbeh | !nvidia-howto |
| 15:44.36 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. WARNING for the first link : NVIDIA's drivers aren't in Sarge anymore, you have to use Sid's (ask me about quick sid/sarge mix). when asked to choose, use NVDIST=unstable |
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| 15:46.47 | greg__ | nSe: That's work ? |
| 15:46.52 | jbird | I have a question about running debian and adding hard drives on a Promise Ultra 133 TX2 Raid controller |
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| 15:48.00 | nSe | greg__: i'm gonna kill myself... |
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| 15:48.32 | greg__ | Nse: Why? |
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| 15:48.50 | nSe | greg__: there are a lot of 800x600 strings there... i lost the filename again! |
| 15:49.10 | ruzbeh | !sid-sarge |
| 15:49.19 | greg__ | nSe:/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 15:49.32 | ruzbeh | !quick sid/sarge mix |
| 15:49.33 | dpkg | somebody said quick sid/sarge mix was echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than sarge (e.g. nvidia-glx) |
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| 15:50.12 | greg__ | nSe: Section "Screen" |
| 15:50.51 | greg__ | nSe: in "Modes" leave only what you really want (keep a backup copy) |
| 15:51.45 | misfitx7 | module assistant fails |
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| 15:52.42 | ruzbeh | im following those damn instructions but it tries to install the nvidia module for 2.4.27 kernel! |
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| 15:53.30 | abrotman | uname -r |
| 15:53.34 | nSe | greg__: ok, i have a backup file. there are a lot of subsections "display" each of them with different depth number, i should del all of them? |
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| 15:54.00 | ruzbeh | abrotman: why? i have 2.6.11.5 kernel |
| 15:54.16 | greycat | ruzbeh: you have a *custom* kernel? |
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| 15:54.20 | greg__ | nSe: You can keep only one SubSection "Display" with appropriate Depth |
| 15:54.22 | ruzbeh | greycat: yes |
| 15:54.25 | wwallace | good morning to all |
| 15:54.31 | wwallace | how yous doing? |
| 15:54.33 | greycat | ruzbeh: then you shouldn't be asking *us* how to do things. You should already know how. |
| 15:54.45 | greycat | ruzbeh: you *did* create and install the kernel-headers-* package, yes? |
| 15:55.10 | ruzbeh | greycat: well i know how to install nvidia on redhat and gentoo but I'm not familiar with the debian way, i followed the instructions and it tries to install package for 2.4.27 kernel |
| 15:55.14 | ruzbeh | X_X |
| 15:55.20 | ruzbeh | greycat: ofcourse |
| 15:55.21 | greycat | ruzbeh: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:55.22 | greg__ | nSe: Section "ServerLayout" : It' s what will be used |
| 15:55.35 | abrotman | ruzbeh: do it! |
| 15:55.37 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:56.12 | ruzbeh | greycat: yeah I already know that I already use my custom built kernel |
| 15:56.14 | wwallace | how do i make konkeror display hidden files and directories? |
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| 15:57.02 | kbrooks | ow..... my neck hurts |
| 15:57.14 | ruzbeh | well i might as well do it the nvidia way |
| 15:57.54 | wwallace | hey troll here |
| 15:58.08 | nSe | greg__: so it's normal to remove all the subsections "Display" ? i'll do it... |
| 15:58.09 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.12 | abrotman | wwallace: #debian-kde |
| 15:59.08 | nSe | wwallace: view - show hidden files |
| 15:59.12 | wwallace | since you people know everything i thought i could get hel here with that but i guess not i wonder how u do with more complicated q's |
| 15:59.14 | greg__ | nSe: It's just a test, but If you never change the display you can remove them |
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| 16:00.05 | wwallace | nSe: thanks thast the answer i was looking for thanks |
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| 16:00.20 | wwallace | no need to read a 600 pages book to do that thanks again |
| 16:00.20 | nSe | wwallace: you're welcome |
| 16:00.35 | misfitx7 | module assistant is telling me i have bad luck |
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| 16:01.02 | greg__ | nSe: You can read /var/log/XFree86.0.log too |
| 16:01.09 | Gumby | is there something I need to edit if I am getting the error "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting" for a new user that was just added to the system? |
| 16:01.24 | greycat | Gumby: cat /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 16:01.31 | greycat | Gumby: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
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| 16:01.36 | nSe | greg__: wait a sec... let me see what can i understand in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 16:01.53 | misfitx7 | it downloaded my kernel keaders fine but now it is telling me the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found |
| 16:01.53 | nSe | *i can |
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| 16:03.12 | nSe | greg__: there are no modes in my defaulscreen, just in the subsections display. i'll remove all the subsections and add a mode in the defaltscreen, ok? |
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| 16:03.46 | Gumby | greycat: excellent thanks. One other question. If it currently has "allowed_users=console" why wouldnt a new user be allowed to startx? Arent they console users? |
| 16:03.49 | greycat | misfitx7: uname -r |
| 16:04.08 | greycat | Gumby: are they logged in on the console? or are you typing that in an xterm? or are you logged in on ssh? |
| 16:04.08 | greg__ | nSe: ? |
| 16:04.16 | greycat | Gumby: what does 'tty' say right before you run 'startx'? |
| 16:04.20 | Gumby | ah, typing it in an xterm |
| 16:04.34 | Gumby | I gottcha now |
| 16:04.36 | Gumby | thx |
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| 16:04.58 | misfitx7 | why is module assistant telling me it cant find the kernel headers that it just downloaded for me |
| 16:05.17 | markybob | misfitx7, you downloaded the wrong ones, probably |
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| 16:05.25 | misfitx7 | no |
| 16:05.44 | markybob | misfitx7, apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:05.53 | misfitx7 | i did |
| 16:06.09 | greycat | misfitx7: uname -r |
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| 16:06.18 | nSe | greg__: that's right, i'm confused. do i have to restart the xserver for the changes to be applyed? |
| 16:06.20 | greg__ | nSe: Default Screen => Device => Identifier of your Device | Monitor => identifier of your Monitor and only one subsection with Depth 24 for example and One mode |
| 16:06.36 | misfitx7 | then i used prepare just to be2.4.27-powerpc |
| 16:06.43 | misfitx7 | oy |
| 16:06.50 | misfitx7 | 2.4.27-powerpc |
| 16:06.51 | greg__ | nSe: Yes |
| 16:07.23 | misfitx7 | i did apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27-powerpc |
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| 16:07.27 | misfitx7 | worked fine |
| 16:07.51 | misfitx7 | prepare also verified that the correct headers were installed |
| 16:07.55 | redduck666 | i used apt-get ad removed 300 mb of packages (i only wanted to remove few small packages) in any case now whe i reboot it asks me to enter my userame and password and than i have to enter startx. any ideas how to get my auto-login back? |
| 16:08.13 | greycat | redduck666: "auto login"?? |
| 16:08.30 | wwallace | i need some good in linux and windows xp? |
| 16:08.40 | greycat | there is no good in windows xp. |
| 16:08.43 | greycat | it's pure evil. |
| 16:08.49 | redduck666 | greycat, i would like when i boot my computer that automatically boots into graphical enviroment |
| 16:09.00 | greycat | redduck666: you mean xdm? |
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| 16:09.25 | wwallace | im trying to write a doc about what some applications and commands in windows are in linux to hel noobs like me |
| 16:09.34 | wwallace | like |
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| 16:09.38 | greycat | redduck666: apt-cache show xdm |
| 16:09.43 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.57 | greycat | wwallace: an invitation to point and laugh? |
| 16:10.06 | wwallace | if you will |
| 16:10.06 | misfitx7 | lol |
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| 16:10.20 | wwallace | thi think that could helpfull |
| 16:10.28 | wwallace | damn kb |
| 16:10.29 | greycat | wwallace: dunno. what does it do in windows? |
| 16:10.30 | nSe | greg__: ok, i dit it. how can i restart the xserver without rebooting the system? |
| 16:10.51 | wwallace | the process at start up and services |
| 16:10.55 | anhi | ctrl + alt + double-backspace kills the X in case of a crash |
| 16:10.59 | greycat | wwallace: try apt-get install rcconf, then. |
| 16:11.02 | wwallace | you can choose wich one to run art boot |
| 16:11.02 | misfitx7 | ok m-a sucks |
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| 16:11.26 | wwallace | so the less you run and the less services running a little more speed and a faster boot up |
| 16:11.43 | Hugle | er... tg3: tg3_stop_block timed out, ofs=3400 enable_bit=2 |
| 16:11.43 | greg__ | nSe: Do you use kdm (in console do ps -ax) |
| 16:11.47 | redduck666 | greycat, if i got it correctly xdm is alternative to gdm? i can boot in kde after typing startx, i would like not to type startx to get into kde |
| 16:12.13 | Hugle | any1 know where does this error come from? ... tg3: tg3_stop_block timed out, ofs=3400 enable_bit=2 > iahve kernel 2.6.9 isntalled.. |
| 16:12.25 | greg__ | nSe: CTRL-ALT-DEL and after startx (if you don't use kdm or xdm) |
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| 16:12.39 | forkqueue | Hugle: Network card issue |
| 16:12.39 | nSe | greg__: i'm using gdm |
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| 16:12.51 | markybob | redduck666, you're using ubuntu, arent you? |
| 16:13.14 | redduck666 | markybob, nope, i downloaded sarge and dis-upgraded to sid |
| 16:13.27 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 16:13.27 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 16:13.27 | markybob | redduck666, without knowing what xdm is? impressive. |
| 16:13.34 | Hugle | forkqueue, this serves used to stay for 149 days.. and now came with these messages in dmesg |
| 16:13.35 | greycat | impressively stupid. |
| 16:13.43 | drac | i'm impressed too. |
| 16:13.59 | greg__ | nSe: with root: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 16:14.16 | markybob | i'm not sure i buy it |
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| 16:14.34 | greg__ | nSe: CTRL-ALT-DEL and after always root /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 16:15.21 | greg__ | nSe: CTRL-ALT-F1 F? will change your console with X and debian you're on console 7 (F7) |
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| 16:15.54 | wwallace | ok |
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| 16:16.03 | wwallace | that one was cool rcconf |
| 16:16.03 | Overand | actually |
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| 16:16.11 | Overand | i managed to do a dist-upgrad without knowing what xdm was |
| 16:16.15 | Overand | a while ago |
| 16:16.20 | Overand | i just never used X |
| 16:16.28 | Overand | all my debian boxes were 'headless' |
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| 16:16.51 | wwallace | now how do i kell a service running in windows u do a ctrl+alt+del to get the tsk manager and from there you end the process of aplicattions or services? |
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| 16:16.58 | redduck666 | i do know what gdm is, it was just that i havent connected the 'dm' from gdm with xdm |
| 16:17.04 | Overand | I mean, obviously I know what it is now, but at that point, I just hadn't ever touched any X11 stuff |
| 16:17.07 | asg | wwallace: man kill |
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| 16:17.31 | Overand | wwallace: 'kill' is a console (text) application that will terminate any process |
| 16:17.40 | wwallace | so the command would be kill |
| 16:17.42 | asg | Overand: except for zombies |
| 16:17.42 | Overand | 'man' is one that gives you a manual page on other programs |
| 16:17.46 | redduck666 | wwallace, if using graphical enviroment do control + escape |
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| 16:17.58 | Overand | asg: heh |
| 16:18.14 | greycat | kill is a command. it's wrong to call it an "application". |
| 16:18.16 | Overand | wwallace: you'll need to get a list of running processes. most people use the command 'ps' with the paramaters -ef |
| 16:18.20 | Overand | so |
| 16:18.22 | Overand | ps -ef |
| 16:18.26 | Overand | greycat: it's part of bash, right? |
| 16:18.32 | wwallace | cool i have 2 choices then for console kill and for kde ctrl+esc |
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| 16:18.54 | wwallace | ok how do i know my running processes in linux? |
| 16:18.59 | Noldo | ps |
| 16:19.05 | greycat | Overand: it is indeed a bash builtin, but it's also an external command, "just in case" |
| 16:19.07 | redduck666 | wwallace, top |
| 16:19.12 | Overand | wwallace: ps -ef for a list of all processes with some 'extra' information |
| 16:19.22 | Anders1 | erm - kill *is* an application |
| 16:19.31 | Overand | redduck666: no, 'top' is not an appropriate app to use |
| 16:19.33 | greycat | Anders1: no, OpenOffice.org is an application. |
| 16:19.38 | greycat | Anders1: kill is a unix command |
| 16:19.38 | wwallace | ok lemme try that |
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| 16:19.45 | Anders1 | kill is a UNIX application |
| 16:19.53 | Overand | greycat: so, can you differentiate between a command and an application? |
| 16:20.06 | greycat | do you consider "ping" an application, too? |
| 16:20.06 | Anders1 | a command is something built-in |
| 16:20.09 | Anders1 | yes |
| 16:20.18 | greycat | you're some sick fuckers. |
| 16:20.33 | markybob | heh |
| 16:20.37 | Overand | well |
| 16:20.38 | greycat | Anders1: oh, and for the record: "type kill" |
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| 16:20.48 | greycat | ''kill is a shell builtin |
| 16:20.54 | Overand | there's no 'real' distinction between a command and an application |
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| 16:20.59 | Anders1 | /bin/kill |
| 16:21.06 | greycat | Anders1: bash -c 'type kill' |
| 16:21.14 | asg | Overand: in unixland, applications break the kiss principle |
| 16:21.20 | wwallace | ok ps -ef gimme a whole bunch of stuff ps only gisves me 2 entries |
| 16:21.31 | greycat | wwallace: man ps |
| 16:21.35 | Anders1 | greycat: bash -c 'type /bin/kill' |
| 16:21.36 | Overand | wwallace: ps gives you stuff your user is running |
| 16:21.42 | wwallace | there you go grey cat |
| 16:21.46 | Overand | ok |
| 16:21.46 | Overand | so |
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| 16:21.53 | greycat | Anders1: what kind of an idiot would type "/bin/kill" to kill a process? |
| 16:21.54 | Overand | kill is both a command and an application |
| 16:22.00 | greycat | Anders1: are you even aware of WHY kill is a shell builtin? |
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| 16:22.21 | Overand | and i don't think that 'keep it simple, stupid' as a way to differentiate between an app and a command is really meaningfull |
| 16:22.36 | greycat | bunch of kiddies, all of ya. probably never even SEEN a unix box with a per-user process limit. |
| 16:22.37 | Anders1 | greycat: i use /bin/kill.. works fine |
| 16:22.38 | wwallace | ps doesnt gimme process or applcations name sonly this................ |
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| 16:22.48 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.49 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.49 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.55 | greycat | wwallace: man ps |
| 16:22.56 | wwallace | what is that |
| 16:23.03 | Overand | wwallace: also, don't paste in here |
| 16:23.03 | greycat | wwallace: it's output. |
| 16:23.07 | Overand | as it says in the topic |
| 16:23.15 | wwallace | the other one though like u said gives me a full bunch of info |
| 16:23.22 | greycat | wwallace: man ps |
| 16:23.31 | Overand | wwallace: we know. we've now said 'man ps' what, 4 times? |
| 16:23.38 | dondelelcaro | wwallace: yes, there are these things called "options" and they modify the way programs work. |
| 16:23.44 | greg__ | wwallace: ps -ax (a for all process and x to know whare they are on disk) |
| 16:24.07 | wwallace | i like greg ansewer better |
| 16:24.17 | wwallace | thats what i called support coll |
| 16:24.22 | wwallace | u guys are getting better |
| 16:24.25 | wwallace | lemme tell u |
| 16:24.33 | dondelelcaro | wwallace: wait, are you just testing us again? |
| 16:24.39 | wwallace | no im not |
| 16:24.42 | wwallace | im working now |
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| 16:24.45 | Overand | wwallace: don't critique us, please. |
| 16:24.50 | wwallace | ok my bad |
| 16:24.56 | Overand | there are 813 |
| 16:24.57 | wwallace | sorry i apologize |
| 16:25.00 | Overand | 'people' in here |
| 16:25.11 | greycat | ``Short for `application program', as opposed to a systems program. Apps are what systems vendors are forever chasing developers to create for their environments so they can sell more boxes. Hackers tend not to think of the things they themselves run as apps; thus, in hacker parlance the term excludes compilers, program editors, games, and messaging systems, though a user would consider all those to be apps.'' |
| 16:25.17 | greycat | http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/A/app.html |
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| 16:25.22 | Putiikki | how to allow user use only icewm, not gnome? i'm using gdm. |
| 16:25.29 | greg__ | Alleria: Sorry |
| 16:25.30 | greycat | Putiikki: remove gnome. |
| 16:25.38 | greg__ | Alleria: Sorry |
| 16:25.41 | Putiikki | greycat: not that way :) |
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| 16:25.43 | greycat | Putiikki: hope the user doesn't install it himself, in his own $HOME dir. |
| 16:25.44 | greg__ | Alleria: Sorry |
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| 16:25.56 | greg__ | All:Sorry |
| 16:25.57 | greycat | Putiikki: Why are you trying to tell your users what they can and cannot do? |
| 16:26.18 | Overand | greycat: possibly doesn't want the load on his system of a 'large' window manager |
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| 16:26.32 | Putiikki | greycat: because that user is my little brother and i think he won't believe me :) |
| 16:26.33 | greycat | Overand: so he should remove it. |
| 16:26.44 | Overand | Putiikki: he won't believe you what? |
| 16:26.46 | dondelelcaro | Overand: so use ulimits to deal with the real problem... |
| 16:26.46 | leOn | hello .. i've tried #mailman but there's no activity ... how can i clean every message on mailmans queue ? |
| 16:26.53 | SEcki | greycat: so, why is kill a shell builtin? My best guess would be for job control. |
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| 16:26.54 | wwallace | my god do i need all that stuff running? |
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| 16:27.04 | asg | wwallace: yes |
| 16:27.09 | wwallace | hmm |
| 16:27.11 | dondelelcaro | leOn: run the queue program which will set up a delivery run for mailman. |
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| 16:27.34 | asg | wwallace: unless you installed a bunch of stuff and don't have an idea about what any of it does. |
| 16:27.47 | Putiikki | Overand: uh...i want that he uses only icewm, and if i only say it to him, i'm sure he will use gnome too |
| 16:27.52 | greycat | Putiikki: WHY? |
| 16:27.53 | leOn | dondelelcaro: if i do that the messages stay on hold .. and the next time i bring up postfix it's starting all over again |
| 16:27.56 | insertnamehere | question: I have a linksys router at home and a dyndns account set up that works fine. However, if I try and access my internal webserver with the dyndns name from behind the linksys, I just get the login/password box. Any ideas on how to fix it or where I should go for more info (google and linksys site have been tapped out) |
| 16:27.59 | wwallace | asg: thas probebly so |
| 16:27.59 | Overand | Putiikki: *why* do you not want him to use gnome? |
| 16:28.03 | Gh0sty | why does the install from apache2 also install caudium webserver??? |
| 16:28.14 | asg | Gh0sty: known bug, check the bts |
| 16:28.16 | Putiikki | err... i just want so :D |
| 16:28.17 | dondelelcaro | Gh0sty: because you haven't upgraded libapache-mod-php4 appropriately. |
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| 16:28.24 | greycat | Putiikki: get over it. |
| 16:28.24 | wwallace | lemme tell you something guys im sort of a dj like the geek of the dj's around here |
| 16:28.38 | Putiikki | maybe i have to |
| 16:28.39 | leOn | i just want to send all queued messaged into /dev/null |
| 16:28.42 | Overand | wwallace: what? does that have any relevance at all? |
| 16:28.45 | Gh0sty | dondelelcaro: i started from a clean system, no webserver installed previous |
| 16:28.52 | SEcki | Putiikki: deinstall iewm/make it only executable by youand have qutoas/ulimits etc pp ... |
| 16:28.53 | Gh0sty | but ok, its already gone :) |
| 16:28.56 | pingouin | i knew a dj wallace |
| 16:29.17 | leOn | find /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/ -type f|wc -l |
| 16:29.17 | leOn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:29.28 | Overand | wwallace: if you're trying to impress us or win friends, you're not doing a good job. you might want to try being 'chatty' in a *chat* channel |
| 16:29.32 | SlackShrike | how it is that it ignores a message of error in the installation of the package? |
| 16:29.49 | wwallace | all of them use windows and most af them would like to try windows so what is the use for this linux box? the use is that i would like to be able to play the files on this server (mp3's ) on the windows machines running the least services in the linux box anyone would like to help me tweak it a little bit? |
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| 16:30.02 | CharlesBrown | I want to caputure what is going on...on my computer....not a screenshot...but a full movie...Like 4 minutes long...with sound....Anyone ever done this before, and can recommend a program in linux? |
| 16:30.02 | Overand | wwallace: it's doable. |
| 16:30.13 | Overand | 'samba' is the application that lets you browse windows file-shares |
| 16:30.23 | Overand | 'xmms' is one of many dozens of mp3 playing programs |
| 16:30.27 | wwallace | \i know about samba |
| 16:30.31 | Overand | (not the best or the worst, just one) |
| 16:30.44 | SEcki | mplayer's good |
| 16:30.44 | Overand | i reccomend you check out http://www.musicpd.org |
| 16:30.53 | wwallace | is configured right now i just want to get rid of the services i dont need which i dont know which ones are they |
| 16:31.02 | Overand | wwallace: you probably don't need a SQL server |
| 16:31.07 | Overand | you probably don't need a web server |
| 16:31.14 | Overand | but wwallace, *why* do you want to kill these services? |
| 16:31.21 | wwallace | ok thats one lemme write it down |
| 16:31.25 | shadow00 | hey guys since I am on a cable connection port 80 traffic is blocked...i wanted tofind out if there was anyway that when someonetried to go to http://domain.com that it wouldtranslate it to http://domain.com:8080 |
| 16:31.36 | Overand | This isn't windows, your system won't suck wind the same way if stuff is 'running in the background' |
| 16:31.37 | wwallace | cause i dont need them thaty take memory dont they |
| 16:31.40 | SEcki | there is good reason for shutting down unneeded services,though |
| 16:31.47 | wwallace | i could better the speed of the linux box no? |
| 16:32.00 | Overand | wwallace: to a certain extent |
| 16:32.09 | Overand | wwallace: type /exec uptime |
| 16:32.13 | Overand | tell me what your load averages are |
| 16:32.13 | wwallace | ok |
| 16:32.16 | SEcki | scurity, maintaince, memory |
| 16:32.48 | wwallace | no such file or dir |
| 16:32.51 | Overand | wwallace: 'killing' the unneded services is *not* a good way to take care of the problem |
| 16:33.06 | greg__ | wwallace: to remove service: man update-rc.d |
| 16:33.27 | Overand | he could just apt-get remove any of the 'server' apps he doesn't need, like postegresql, apache, etc |
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| 16:33.36 | Overand | the sql server, if you have one, is where i'd start |
| 16:33.40 | greg__ | wwallace to know what service will be started ls /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 16:33.40 | SlackShrike | how it is that it ignores a message of error in the installation of the package? |
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| 16:33.59 | asg | wwallace: install the harden-doc package (and read the resultant information.) |
| 16:34.01 | insertnamehere | question: I have a linksys router at home and a dyndns account set up that works fine. However, if I try and access my internal webserver with the dyndns name from behind the linksys, I just get the login/password box. Any ideas on how to fix it or where I should go for more info (google and linksys site have been tapped out) |
| 16:34.15 | redduck666 | SlackShrike, dpkg ignores the errors or you would like it to ignore them? |
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| 16:34.32 | Overand | insertnamehere: you need to disable 'remote admin' on your linksys router, insertnamehere |
| 16:34.42 | wwallace | ok wait up taking notes............taking notes....... a lot of inpu today |
| 16:34.43 | Gh0sty | insertnamehere: sounds like you got ssl enabled or something |
| 16:34.58 | SlackShrike | redduck666: mkinitrd of the kernel |
| 16:34.59 | Overand | Gh0sty: he means he' getting the 'login/password' box of his *router* |
| 16:35.22 | insertnamehere | overand: it is disabled, all of the remote admin/upgrade stuff is disabled...it's like it's looping the request back in and seeing that I'm on an internal network so instead of forwarding the packets to the webserver it just gives me the login box |
| 16:35.30 | Gh0sty | oh, hmm that box supports radius authentication perhaps? |
| 16:35.33 | Overand | insertnamehere: i've heard of that issue |
| 16:35.35 | insertnamehere | gh0sty: it's the login/pass box on the linksys |
| 16:35.36 | Overand | Gh0sty: no |
| 16:35.43 | Overand | Gh0sty: you seem confused |
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| 16:36.15 | insertnamehere | overand: I searched around on the web for it, upgraded the firmware, no dice :) |
| 16:36.15 | Overand | insertnamehere, what's the domain ala syndns? |
| 16:36.20 | wwallace | ok how do i open the harden-doc? |
| 16:36.30 | wwallace | i installed it already |
| 16:36.31 | Overand | s/syn/dyn |
| 16:36.40 | asg | wwallace: dpkg -L harden-doc |
| 16:36.42 | wwallace | Overand: that for me? |
| 16:36.54 | SlackShrike | when I go to install kernel in a system of logical archive I give the following error: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device |
| 16:36.57 | asg | wwallace: read the html files listed using a browser. |
| 16:37.04 | wwallace | what dpkg -l stands for what it does? |
| 16:37.11 | drac | SlackShrike: man make-kpkg |
| 16:37.12 | SEcki | man dpkg |
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| 16:37.25 | greg__ | wwallace: List package |
| 16:37.53 | wwallace | cool i could be giving here giving fucking support sending everyone who ask to the fuckung man docs |
| 16:38.05 | asg | wwallace: that's why we wrote the fucking docs. |
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| 16:38.10 | insertnamehere | wwallace: man grammar |
| 16:38.12 | wwallace | cool |
| 16:38.15 | wwallace | i said cool |
| 16:38.22 | insertnamehere | :) |
| 16:38.22 | wwallace | my kb no good |
| 16:38.25 | wwallace | again |
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| 16:38.50 | takatumi_ | wwallace: its -L not -l |
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| 16:39.13 | wwallace | i know in unix a is diferent from A |
| 16:39.16 | wwallace | thanks anyway |
| 16:39.19 | cuse | Hey, is there a SVG to (La)TEX converted app? |
| 16:39.33 | wwallace | damn i ve been learning even though you were banning me |
| 16:39.59 | rautudu | Is possible to install one linux from the image (in the PC) using qemu? [translate for google] |
| 16:40.34 | takatumi_ | translate for google? |
| 16:40.41 | takatumi_ | nick takatumi |
| 16:40.57 | cuse | takatumi_: i guess he means "translated by" google or something |
| 16:41.12 | rautudu | duhhhh |
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| 16:41.31 | caphuso | cuse: you can't convert a SVG to TeX or LaTeX, that makes no sense at all |
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| 16:41.53 | loocek | hi all! I want to make package .deb of library GD from source. When I make this 'dh_make' I choose '"l" as library then 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' ...he create me lib.deb and lib-dev.deb but !!! in these packages there are only files /usr/share/doc :((. Why he didn't create .so files...to /usr/lib , and other files to /usr/bin ??? |
| 16:41.59 | greg__ | cuse: SVG to eps or ps ? |
| 16:42.12 | abrotman | loocek: libgd is in debian afaik |
| 16:42.29 | wwallace | ls: /etc/rc2d/: No such file or director |
| 16:42.43 | loocek | abrotman: but i must create the newest version to woody |
| 16:42.59 | greg__ | wwallace: ls /etc/r2.d |
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| 16:43.16 | asg | wwallace: ls /etc | grep rc (and see where you went wrong) |
| 16:43.21 | cuse | caphuso: sure this makes sense, i already wrote couple of vector graphics directly in tex |
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| 16:43.50 | greg__ | wwallace: in bash type 'ls /etc/rc' doesn't type ENTER but press TAB you will ... |
| 16:44.12 | cuse | greg__: is there a svg to (e)ps converter? |
| 16:44.29 | greg__ | cuse: I don't know |
| 16:44.32 | abrotman | loocek: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 16:45.14 | loocek | abrotman: hmm :) , I must learn !! to build packages......... |
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| 16:45.29 | wwallace | asg: |
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| 16:45.29 | abrotman | loocek: debian.org/devel ... look for some links for building packages |
| 16:45.50 | wwallace | what do i do with all the out put from ls /etc | gerp rc? |
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| 16:46.00 | asg | wwallace: read it, understand it |
| 16:46.01 | loocek | abrotman: thx, I'll look |
| 16:46.07 | wwallace | all that!? |
| 16:46.15 | Ragan | Hello. I'm trying to pick up girls, where can I get a deb package for that? |
| 16:46.18 | wwallace | can i flood? |
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| 16:46.25 | asg | wwallace: it printed a lot because you mistyped grep |
| 16:46.29 | wwallace | ha ha ha @ragan |
| 16:46.41 | dvs | Ragan: giveitup.deb |
| 16:46.45 | wwallace | at last someione with a sense of humor |
| 16:46.53 | Ragan | dvs, c00l, thanx! |
| 16:46.56 | caphuso | cuse: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/index.html |
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| 16:46.59 | dvs | Ragan: np ;-) |
| 16:47.05 | wwallace | asg: i did ? lemme c |
| 16:47.12 | caphuso | cuse: go and compare the feature list with that of what TeX can do |
| 16:47.12 | Qiang-work | what does the 'ii' and 'rc' followed by package name mean when run `dpkg -l` ? |
| 16:47.17 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.17 | caphuso | Qiang-work: dpkg -l | head |
| 16:47.24 | CTermIII | hi all |
| 16:47.26 | dvs | There's still 15 minutes left here before noon |
| 16:47.37 | CTermIII | I am new to debian |
| 16:47.48 | wwallace | asg: is that wrong? |
| 16:47.52 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.52 | asg | wwallace: it should list 17 or so items. You were supposed to learn that /etc/rc2d doesn't exist because it is actually /etc/rc2.d |
| 16:48.07 | dvs | Qiang-work: "ii" means installed and "rc" means it's not installed (removed) |
| 16:48.08 | Ragan | CTermIII, welcome =) |
| 16:48.20 | wwallace | how am i suppose to learn that youre the first person who mentioned it |
| 16:48.22 | jair_11 | hello guys, I install sarge RC3, I installed th GDM-themes |
| 16:48.28 | greg__ | Qiang-work: installed or remove |
| 16:48.28 | Qiang-work | dvs: thanks. |
| 16:48.33 | greg__ | Qiang-work: installed or removed |
| 16:48.44 | wwallace | asg: 20 items to be exact |
| 16:48.46 | dvs | Qiang-work: No problem. And thank you school for the use of the Debian mirror |
| 16:48.53 | jair_11 | and the x-window-system-core fluxbox xfonts |
| 16:49.04 | Qiang-work | dvs: :) |
| 16:49.06 | CTermIII | thanks |
| 16:49.13 | wwallace | what r we llooking for? |
| 16:49.28 | abrotman | !r |
| 16:49.28 | dpkg | it has been said that r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 16:49.29 | cuse | caphuso: well, i certainly dont need animations or filters or stuff like that, just some simple drawings and that can certainly be converted to Tex (in theory). You will certainly agree abou that. |
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| 16:49.43 | jair_11 | guys I am trying to learn how to configure the greeters? |
| 16:50.07 | jair_11 | how can I change the theme of the login screen ? the greeter theme? |
| 16:50.13 | abrotman | which greeter? |
| 16:50.21 | jair_11 | abrotman, hi |
| 16:50.32 | jair_11 | abrotman, I have a gnome by default? |
| 16:50.39 | greg__ | dpkg: R (stat cran ) ? |
| 16:50.44 | jair_11 | but I have fluxbox as the only wm right now |
| 16:50.48 | nydust | how do i see my ip? |
| 16:50.53 | abrotman | jair_11: use the gdm configuration tool |
| 16:50.54 | wwallace | ifconfig |
| 16:50.57 | jair_11 | abrotman, I did not install kde and any other one. |
| 16:50.58 | abrotman | nydust: ifconfig -a |
| 16:51.06 | wwallace | hmm almost |
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| 16:51.14 | klisa | hello |
| 16:51.14 | jair_11 | gdm configuration tool? |
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| 16:51.23 | greg__ | nSe: ?? |
| 16:51.29 | caphuso | cuse: TeX's builtin stuff doesn't even let you specify lines with arbitrary angles |
| 16:51.30 | jair_11 | abrotman, that should be on the fluxbox menu? |
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| 16:51.38 | wwallace | asg: wuz up? |
| 16:51.41 | klisa | I saw that debian sarge's squid doesn't have for https, where can I find info on enable it? |
| 16:52.00 | jair_11 | abrotman, if I want to install or remove a windows manager like remove xfce-4 and install kde? |
| 16:52.03 | nSe | greg__: things work! let me tel you... |
| 16:52.20 | wwallace | he went to lunch? |
| 16:52.42 | greg__ | nSe: I hope you understand now the config file |
| 16:53.36 | cuse | caphuso: well i can, with additional, still standard sty libs |
| 16:54.07 | nSe | greg__: if i did not have a backup file i would be in troubles... all i did was stopping the gdm with the string you gave me and manually cp backupfile originalfile... and it worked! |
| 16:54.19 | wwallace | do i need cups starting u? |
| 16:54.30 | caphuso | cuse: that relies heavily on driver support, which pretty much means it's still far better to simply insert a EPS or PS |
| 16:54.37 | cuse | caphuso: but its so annoying if you have to draw a lot of graphics, thats why im searching for another solution right now |
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| 16:54.42 | greg__ | wwallace: printing server |
| 16:54.50 | nydust | thanks |
| 16:54.57 | wwallace | ok dont need it |
| 16:55.01 | wwallace | do i need |
| 16:55.03 | wwallace | ? |
| 16:55.03 | nydust | what is the default ftp server for debian? |
| 16:55.06 | ThomasAH | Does someone have a link, faq or something for how to auto mount usb-storage devices in sarge? hotplug already loads the module. Is kudzu the way to go, or are there other alternatives? How is unmounting handled? |
| 16:55.07 | nydust | sarge |
| 16:55.13 | wwallace | pcmci? |
| 16:55.18 | nydust | !ftp |
| 16:55.19 | dpkg | i heard ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 16:55.28 | nydust | !ftp sarge |
| 16:55.36 | nSe | greg__: i did not do anything in terms of repairing my problem... seems that stopping x makes the changes to be applied. but it did not happen other times |
| 16:56.09 | wwallace | do i need bluez utils? |
| 16:56.19 | nSe | greg__: and i still not understanding the config file, but be patient, i'll read some docs about linux and debian. thanks for all! |
| 16:56.34 | greg__ | nSe: I doesn't understand but... I you understand the config file and that's work, All is good |
| 16:56.49 | wwallace | nSe: is adviseble to go and reak the debian linux bible and come back |
| 16:56.56 | greg__ | nSe: s/\<I\>/if/ |
| 16:56.59 | wwallace | greg__: ? |
| 16:57.04 | jair_11 | abrotman, got it |
| 16:57.08 | abrotman | jair_11: good |
| 16:57.20 | nSe | ? |
| 16:57.22 | jair_11 | abrotman, but I think I will need to submit a bug |
| 16:57.31 | greg__ | wwallace: pcmci (I don't know) man pcmci |
| 16:57.40 | wwallace | c'mon |
| 16:57.45 | abrotman | jair_11: about what? |
| 16:57.47 | wwallace | im not running from a laptop |
| 16:58.01 | nSe | wwallace: you're not very lazy, are you? |
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| 16:58.09 | wwallace | no |
| 16:58.12 | wwallace | i read a lot |
| 16:58.21 | greg__ | nSe: If and not I |
| 16:58.22 | wwallace | the only time im not reading is when i come her |
| 16:58.30 | jair_11 | abrotman, when I try to see the picture on the standard login screen by default the screen is all gray and have the "debian" logo. If I want to see it the application is terminate. I have to restart it |
| 16:58.36 | wwallace | thats why i get so pissed of when they send me to read |
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| 16:58.49 | jair_11 | abrotman, the rest of the tabs works with no problem |
| 16:58.49 | wwallace | the only time i rest from reading is while im here |
| 16:58.54 | nSe | greg__: i did not understant too |
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| 16:58.57 | caphuso | weird, i'm reading all the time when i'm here. i must do something wrong |
| 16:59.02 | jair_11 | choose a pretty nice theme |
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| 16:59.07 | jair_11 | abrotman, I love it |
| 16:59.26 | abrotman | jair_11: erm .. ok |
| 16:59.53 | wwallace | caphuso: you musb be a fucking god being able to read and chat at the same time 4 hands an 4 eyes? |
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| 17:00.05 | nydust | why do i get access denied? I have just installed webmin and when i try to start webmin with https://ip:10000 |
| 17:00.06 | caphuso | wwallace: can you read this? |
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| 17:00.25 | drac | :D |
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| 17:00.37 | greycat | caphuso: it's easier to just answer questions, even 4 at a time, than it is to attempt to solve your problem (whatever it may be) *and* fend off 16 wrong answers from newbies in the channel while doing so. I speak from experience. |
| 17:00.37 | wwallace | caphuso: r u fucking dumb or you just pretend to be or probably a wise ass |
| 17:00.47 | nydust | did just apt-get install webmin |
| 17:00.51 | wwallace | you know what i mean when i say reading |
| 17:00.54 | greycat | wwallace: caphuso is one of our more valued helpers. |
| 17:01.00 | nSe | greg__: is there wine running ok in sarge? |
| 17:01.11 | Overand | nSe: afaik, yes |
| 17:01.14 | jair_11 | abrotman, the message say to inform the developers to help them fix this problem |
| 17:01.22 | abrotman | !bts |
| 17:01.22 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:01.23 | jair_11 | where I can submit the bugs? |
| 17:01.24 | wwallace | but hes arrogant and like the americans says a wiseass |
| 17:01.34 | nydust | !webmin |
| 17:01.34 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 17:01.35 | greycat | wwallace: perhaps the flaw is in you. |
| 17:01.54 | jharrisonwk | any webpages or anything that give debian usage inthe world |
| 17:02.18 | wwallace | perhaps i just said i dont like to be send to read when im here cause thats all i do any fucking person can understand that fucking statement |
| 17:02.21 | caphuso | !worldmap |
| 17:02.21 | dpkg | from memory, worldmap is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or at http://www.cafuego.net/map/map.jpg.php |
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| 17:02.33 | nSe | Overand: english is not my native language... what do you mean by "afaik" ? |
| 17:02.44 | SuperSox | afaik = as far as I know |
| 17:02.50 | SuperSox | !wtf afaik |
| 17:02.51 | dpkg | no binary found. |
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| 17:02.57 | abrotman | wwallace: you are american |
| 17:03.10 | wwallace | im not |
| 17:03.13 | wwallace | im colombian |
| 17:03.18 | abrotman | your IP would indicate you are |
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| 17:03.28 | abrotman | spambots? |
| 17:03.33 | wwallace | living in marica doesnt mean im american |
| 17:03.35 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.36 | greg__ | nSe: I use testing with amd64 => can't use wine (winndows is in 32 bits) |
| 17:03.44 | abrotman | wwallace: tough shit .. you're american now .. get over it :) |
| 17:03.47 | SuperSox | abrotman: since when was judging anything by someones ip a valid way of determining anything ? |
| 17:03.50 | greycat | !dict america |
| 17:03.52 | dpkg | could not find definition for america |
| 17:03.57 | wwallace | i love america |
| 17:04.00 | wwallace | so what? |
| 17:04.01 | greycat | @dict america |
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| 17:04.04 | abrotman | wwallace: and if your english is really that bad .. try the spanish channel |
| 17:04.05 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:04.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:04.06 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'america' (1 of 3): North and South America . |
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| 17:04.20 | wwallace | ok |
| 17:04.25 | abrotman | SuperSox: tor! |
| 17:04.33 | SuperSox | abrotman: tor ?/ |
| 17:04.34 | jharrisonwk | caphuso: anything comparing it to other distros? |
| 17:04.36 | abrotman | !tor |
| 17:04.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tor is http://tor.eff.org/, or the kiddies best friend |
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| 17:04.45 | wwallace | if we gonna start flaming thats what i love even though is gonna get me banned |
| 17:05.00 | caphuso | jharrisonwk: don't know |
| 17:05.01 | jerome | someone using matroxfb on 2.6.11 kernel could paste me /proc/cmdline please ? "video=matroxfb:vesa:0x192" doesn't work anymore there |
| 17:05.12 | abrotman | wwallace: you oculd just calm down |
| 17:05.18 | nSe | greg__: sarge isn't 32bit? |
| 17:05.22 | wwallace | im not doing shit |
| 17:05.22 | SuperSox | abrotman: ahh ok :) Anyway though, I had an ip once and people thought I was canadian... I was just shelling via a friend, I acctually live in the uk |
| 17:05.38 | wwallace | going back to where i was................ |
| 17:05.48 | takatumi | wwallace: why not? |
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| 17:06.13 | greg__ | nSe: Yes |
| 17:06.21 | wwallace | No manual entry for pcmci |
| 17:06.25 | greg__ | nSe: apt-get install wine |
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| 17:07.18 | jair_11 | abrotman, this themes to log in are so nice |
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| 17:07.31 | abrotman | wwallace: pcmcia |
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| 17:08.13 | wwallace | greg__: abrotman thank u |
| 17:08.20 | trilly | hi, i have a little problem here with my debian server.. |
| 17:08.23 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:08.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:09.04 | trilly | im serving files via nfs and it worked just fine with my machine (ubuntu) as client |
| 17:09.09 | wwallace | ok thats probebly for laptops ill stop it |
| 17:09.25 | trilly | now i switched to gentoo and im constantly getting "not responding, still trying" and then "ok" errors |
| 17:09.34 | abrotman | switched what to gentoo? |
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| 17:09.36 | pingouin | U i would die 4 U .... ;) |
| 17:09.36 | abrotman | the client? |
| 17:09.48 | drac | abrotman: You have access to change factoids in dpkg? The userfriendly.org link is dead, or shows only a spam. |
| 17:09.50 | trilly | yes the client |
| 17:09.55 | drac | abrotman: In factoid 'u' |
| 17:09.57 | abrotman | drac: factoid is locked |
| 17:10.00 | greg__ | wwallace: to spop : /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop |
| 17:10.04 | greycat | pingouin: if you want to be prince, you have to bring sexy background singers with you. |
| 17:10.16 | abrotman | trilly: so the server worked fine before .. and now you changed the client .. and it's debian's fault? .. did you ask #gentoo ? |
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| 17:10.24 | pingouin | greycat: i'm afraid i will never be :/ |
| 17:10.36 | wwallace | isdn utils? |
| 17:10.43 | nydust | do any one here use webmin? |
| 17:10.44 | wwallace | man isdnutils? i guess |
| 17:10.45 | trilly | abrotman: yes, indeed i did, but no ones responding, so i thought id ask here |
| 17:10.45 | pingouin | and it's better for everyone |
| 17:10.47 | trilly | :D |
| 17:10.50 | abrotman | nydust: no .. it causes cancer |
| 17:10.57 | nydust | abrotman, heheh |
| 17:10.58 | abrotman | trilly: but they made the client that isn't working |
| 17:11.03 | greg__ | wwallace: If you don't want it tne next time: update-rc.d -f pcmcia remove |
| 17:11.35 | abrotman | !piav |
| 17:11.35 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 17:11.37 | trilly | abrotman: i thought it would maybe a generic issue with debian (i had some problems before with an old p60, thought it was the isa card back then) |
| 17:11.40 | wwallace | what about the debian runlevel configuration tool? |
| 17:11.52 | pingouin | nice one piav |
| 17:11.55 | wwallace | i can not stop it from there |
| 17:11.56 | trilly | woops, theres a "be" missing up there |
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| 17:12.00 | wwallace | ? |
| 17:12.03 | wwallace | is a q |
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| 17:12.19 | greg__ | wwallace: the same that services in windows wold |
| 17:12.22 | greycat | no, ? is a question mark. q is a letter. |
| 17:12.23 | biggi_mat | how do i delete the kernel (reverse thing from dpkg -i i guess?) |
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| 17:12.35 | abrotman | trilly: try another client .. if the same thing happens .. then yes .. it maybe a debian issue .. which version of debian? |
| 17:12.40 | greg__ | wwallace: s/wold/world |
| 17:12.42 | abrotman | biggi_mat: man dpkg |
| 17:12.42 | drac | biggi_mat: apt-get remove --purge kernel-image-something |
| 17:12.48 | trilly | sarge (testing) |
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| 17:12.58 | abrotman | trilly: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 17:14.04 | nSe | greg__: hmm.. i'm stariting to understant it now... things are really much faster under a 64bit architeture? is there anything that can emulate 64bit in 32bit? |
| 17:14.04 | trilly | abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:14.25 | valdyn_ | nSe: hah |
| 17:14.42 | greg__ | nSe: I don't know... |
| 17:15.10 | valdyn_ | nSe: things are not faster just b/c they are 64 bit |
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| 17:15.22 | greg__ | nSe: In 64bits a lot of processor can run 32 bits application |
| 17:16.22 | wwallace | greg__: No manual entry for bluez-utils |
| 17:16.24 | greg__ | valdyn_: For math and multimedia it's faster (a lot of new 64bits register in the processor) |
| 17:16.27 | wwallace | can i stop that? |
| 17:16.29 | nSe | valdyn_: so what's the advantage of using a 64bit hardware? |
| 17:16.42 | |V\oNK | <valdyn_> id have to disagree, im pretty sure they are |
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| 17:16.56 | sdogi | is msn down? |
| 17:17.03 | sdogi | need to know badly |
| 17:17.10 | tourinho | hello all |
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| 17:17.22 | sdogi | if anyone could tell me fast i would be very happy |
| 17:17.31 | tourinho | does anyone know why am I getting this error search_kvm() : Open System.map fail!! |
| 17:17.33 | tourinho | ? |
| 17:17.33 | sdogi | it seems their server doesn' |
| 17:17.36 | |V\oNK | i dont use msn.. |
| 17:17.41 | tourinho | after trying to run a application |
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| 17:17.43 | trilly | sdogi :why should it be? |
| 17:17.44 | greg__ | valdyn_: matrix multiply: a lot of double multiplication: improved by a factor of 1.7 |
| 17:17.57 | sdogi | trilly: their server doesn't ping and i can't log in with two users |
| 17:18.02 | ledet | sdogi: lots of people are whining about msn being down |
| 17:18.05 | sdogi | trilly: i mean my friend can't log in and i can't also |
| 17:18.07 | ledet | sdogi: youre not the only one |
| 17:18.08 | sdogi | ledet: true |
| 17:18.11 | wwallace | sdogi: i could not connect eitther |
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| 17:18.21 | ledet | sdogi: use something else |
| 17:18.23 | sdogi | my account got canceled also some weeks ago, bastards |
| 17:18.26 | sdogi | ledet: i do |
| 17:18.43 | sdogi | From hotmail-01558-sjo-bb1.c.telia.net (213.248.86.2) icmp_seq=123 Packet filtered |
| 17:18.44 | valdyn_ | greg__: you cant counter a theory by a pratctical example on a specific processer since theres more facters that make amd64 what it is but just being 64 bit |
| 17:18.45 | wwallace | greg__: ? |
| 17:18.47 | sdogi | when pinging |
| 17:18.50 | sdogi | well ok |
| 17:18.53 | sdogi | thanks |
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| 17:19.18 | nSe | which flag i should add to apt-get in order to install the suggested packages? |
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| 17:19.35 | genix_ | "tasksel install desktop" gives "tasksel: aptitude failed", why? |
| 17:19.39 | greg__ | valdyn_: Just a simple sample coded in C language that use 64bits register |
| 17:20.16 | greg__ | wwallace: what? |
| 17:20.26 | genix_ | I got a lot of Depency packages that "tasksel install desktop" don't install |
| 17:20.36 | wwallace | greg__: No manual entry for bluez-utils |
| 17:20.38 | valdyn_ | greg__: amd64 has _more_ registers, that already makes it a little faster |
| 17:20.41 | wwallace | can i stop that? |
| 17:20.43 | genix_ | Any suggestion how I can solve this? |
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| 17:21.18 | greg__ | wwallace: dlocate /etcrc2.d/bluez-utils and dpkg --status 'name of package' |
| 17:21.56 | greg__ | wwallace: /etc/rc2.d/bluez-utils sorry, I am tired |
| 17:22.47 | wwallace | greg__: root@MP3J:/home/wwallace# /etc/rc2.d/bluez-utils |
| 17:22.47 | wwallace | bash: /etc/rc2.d/bluez-utils: No such file or directory |
| 17:22.47 | wwallace | root@MP3J:/home/wwallace# |
| 17:22.52 | greg__ | wwallace: may be apt-get install dlocate (find name of a package from place of file in filesystem tree) |
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| 17:23.00 | nSe | what should i type with apt-get in order to install the suggested packages too ? |
| 17:23.13 | asg | greg__: apt-file also |
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| 17:23.27 | greg__ | asg: thanks |
| 17:23.28 | asg | nSe: use aptitude to do that |
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| 17:23.46 | nydust | why are may consol posting NET : 2 messages suppressed ip sent an invalide ICMP type 3, code 3 error to a broadcast |
| 17:23.46 | sperm | can someone hep get OpenGL support to work? |
| 17:23.47 | genix_ | Why is "tasksel install desktop" fail for me, I get "tasksel: aptitude failed", I don't know how to solve this |
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| 17:23.53 | sperm | with a nvidia driver? |
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| 17:24.20 | valdyn_ | sperm: /msg dpkg nvidia drivers |
| 17:24.22 | greg__ | wwallace: try this, you will be happy: type: '/etc/rc2.d and don't press ENTER but TAB (one or two times) |
| 17:24.29 | asg | sperm: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 17:24.58 | sperm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.04 | g4rf | hi |
| 17:25.16 | greg__ | wwallace: it's an automatic completion |
| 17:25.17 | wwallace | greg__: ok i got some info |
| 17:25.35 | genix_ | asg: "tasksel install desktop" is for installing Desktop Enviroment but I get "tasksel: aptitude failed", do you know how I can solve this? |
| 17:26.03 | genix_ | asg: I get a lot off dependecy packages that is not being installed |
| 17:26.12 | nSe | aptitude is a GUI for apt-get? |
| 17:26.15 | wwallace | the mpope has died |
| 17:26.18 | wwallace | pope |
| 17:26.45 | slackd00d | wwallace: where do you live |
| 17:26.50 | g4rf | I use ubuntu package for xorg with my debian sid, it's well but I've got a bug with root-tail anybody knows who to fix this ? or if any alternative exist ? |
| 17:26.53 | wwallace | in rahway nj |
| 17:26.55 | asg | genix_: try 'apt-get install aptitude' and see if that helps |
| 17:27.03 | genix_ | asg: ok |
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| 17:27.37 | valdyn_ | nSe: gui frontend to libapt afaik, or "terminal-based apt frontend" |
| 17:27.40 | takatumi | g4rf: checked the xorg mailing lists if any? |
| 17:27.55 | genix_ | asg: I doesn't help |
| 17:27.59 | greycat | !tell g4rf about bts |
| 17:28.03 | g4rf | takatumi: I will thx |
| 17:28.11 | valdyn_ | nSe: it "replaces" apt-get, it doesnt use it |
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| 17:28.32 | g4rf | thx greycat |
| 17:28.36 | genix_ | asg: "tasksel: aptitude failed" |
| 17:28.39 | Eclipser | why does exim4 take so long to start if I can't get ip from dhcp or if I use static ip and I can't connect to internet? |
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| 17:28.57 | genix_ | asg: man tasksel doesn't help me through this either |
| 17:29.03 | sperm | thanks alot guys |
| 17:29.04 | nSe | valdyn_: you're meaning that it is better, yes? |
| 17:29.21 | valdyn_ | nSe: no, it simply is an alternative |
| 17:29.27 | wwallace | greg__: S25bluez-utils |
| 17:29.33 | asg | genix_: I don't know then, I've never used tasksel. |
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| 17:29.45 | kiowas | hello |
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| 17:29.48 | genix_ | asg: ok, thanks anyway |
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| 17:30.19 | greg__ | wwallace: and what is the output from dpkg --status package ? do you need it |
| 17:30.21 | wwallace | can anyone tell me what in the world is S25bluez-utils |
| 17:30.21 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.36 | greycat | wwallace: locate bluez |
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| 17:30.48 | asg | Eclipser: it is due to dns timeouts. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-conf and choose the minimal dns option (last option you should get to) |
| 17:30.49 | greycat | !find bluez sarge |
| 17:30.51 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'bluez' (9): bluez-bcm203x ;; bluez-cups ;; bluez-firmware ;; bluez-hcidump ;; bluez-pcmcia-support ;; bluez-pin ;; bluez-utils ;; kernel-patch-2.4-bluez ;; kernel-patch-2.6-bluez. |
| 17:30.53 | valdyn_ | wwallace: man init |
| 17:30.54 | genix_ | valdyn_: Do you know which command that is being executed when I do: "tasksel" > "Desktop Eviroment"? |
| 17:30.59 | greycat | wwallace: apt-cache show bluez-utils |
| 17:31.02 | greg__ | wwallace: S25bluez-util => S: starting service ; 25: 25th |
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| 17:31.14 | kiowas | What causes packages to be left back? |
| 17:31.25 | genix_ | valdyn_: "tasksel install desktop" is not the whole part off it |
| 17:31.26 | asg | kiowas: /msg dpkg held back |
| 17:31.50 | wwallace | root@MP3J:/home/wwallace# apt-get cache bluez-utils |
| 17:31.50 | wwallace | E: Invalid operation cache |
| 17:31.50 | wwallace | root@MP3J:/home/wwallace# |
| 17:32.03 | valdyn_ | genix_: no idea , do you want to install what it installs manually? |
| 17:32.04 | wwallace | oops sorry my bad |
| 17:32.09 | greg__ | wwallace: dpkg --status |
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| 17:32.13 | Kzimm | hi |
| 17:32.35 | amal | how to remove a broken package? Actually I just want the system to just forget about the xen package... I can delete the actual files manually. Everything I tried (apt-get, dselect, dpkg -P --force-all --force-remove-reinstreq xen) fails by saying that xen needs to be reinstalled. It seems to be dying while running some Python scripts that get file-not-found errors) |
| 17:32.43 | genix_ | valdyn_: I build a script so yes |
| 17:32.44 | Kzimm | i have a filename test.121212.tgz and i want get only "test" with a sed or somethign anyone can help ? |
| 17:32.52 | wwallace | status package is not installed install it? |
| 17:33.27 | greg__ | wwallace: package: the name of your package :) |
| 17:33.28 | sperm | on that nvidia |
| 17:33.33 | sperm | line line |
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| 17:33.49 | kiowas | hmm.. well, doing dist-upgrade upgraded alot of them (though not all). So, when should I use dist-upgrade rather than upgrade? |
| 17:33.49 | sperm | it is going threw that module setup twice is that normal? |
| 17:33.49 | amal | Kzimm sed -e 's/test.*$/test/' |
| 17:34.03 | genix_ | This must be the first time I have a question that no have an answer for... |
| 17:34.05 | Eclipser | asg, exim4-conf is not installed, apt-get can't find such package... |
| 17:34.06 | valdyn_ | genix_: i cant clone it exactly, but you can get much of it by doing: "apt-get install gnome kde x-window-system gdm" ( though that still misses at least openoffice ) |
| 17:34.10 | Kzimm | amal: but test can bé anythign else i dunno |
| 17:34.23 | Kzimm | amal: i want the text before the first . |
| 17:34.27 | wwallace | greg__: after doing apt-cache shoe bluez-utils i have some info |
| 17:34.27 | genix_ | valdyn_: I know, I used that earlier |
| 17:34.40 | greg__ | wwallace: ok |
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| 17:34.59 | genix_ | valdyn_: wait, and I explain in more depth, I'm allmost there |
| 17:34.59 | amal | Kzimm sed -e 's/(.*)\..*$/\1/' |
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| 17:35.08 | nydust | how do i reconfigure the hostname +++ |
| 17:35.08 | wwallace | ok ill remove it is used for bluetooth services |
| 17:35.11 | Seb | what does the '+' in -rw-rw-r--+ stand for ? |
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| 17:35.20 | greycat | nydust: /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts an dso on. |
| 17:35.28 | greycat | Seb: ACL shit, probably. |
| 17:35.30 | Eclipser | asg, hmm, let me try exim4-config :) |
| 17:35.38 | genix_ | valdyn_: ok, "tasksel --task-packages desktop" tell all packages |
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| 17:35.41 | Kzimm | amal: thanks a lot |
| 17:35.48 | Seb | greycat: yup, i suspect that too, but I'm wondering precisely what ti is ... |
| 17:35.58 | greg__ | wwallace: If you will never use it purge it apt-get --purge remove 'package' |
| 17:36.12 | wwallace | ok |
| 17:36.20 | greg__ | wwallace: apt-get remove will keep its config files |
| 17:36.21 | amal | Kzimm if that doesn't do it, escape the () with \ sed -e 's/\(.*\)\..*$/\1/' |
| 17:36.38 | wwallace | how do iknow the name exact name of the package? |
| 17:36.52 | Kzimm | amal: oki i test tgat |
| 17:37.07 | Eclipser | asg, thanks, I hope that helped :) |
| 17:38.02 | asg | Eclipser: it should do |
| 17:38.04 | greg__ | wwallace: dlocate 'name of the file' ; ps -ax will give what file and where it's in the filesystem tree |
| 17:38.30 | wwallace | damn cool greg |
| 17:39.05 | wwallace | greg__: now i have to go take the kids to the recxreation center ill take my linix debian bible to read some what do u recomend? |
| 17:39.07 | genix_ | I dont get dependency packages when I run "tasksel install desktop", ex "gnome: Depends: gnome-office (= 64) but it is not installable" valdyn_ |
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| 17:39.46 | hulu | is openswan currently favored over freeswan? |
| 17:40.16 | valdyn_ | genix_: so you are running sids tasksel? |
| 17:40.18 | greg__ | wwallace: try automatic completion you will be REALLY happy |
| 17:40.25 | valdyn_ | !info gnome-office sarge |
| 17:40.27 | dpkg | gnome-office: (The GNOME Office suite), section gnome, is optional. Version: 64 (sarge), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 17:40.33 | anthropomorphic | can anyone tell me whether or not is rp-pppoe provided on one of the debian install cd's? |
| 17:40.38 | genix_ | How can I install all dependency packages that "tasksel install desktop" is require? |
| 17:40.40 | valdyn_ | genix_: nm, theyre identical in sarge / sid |
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| 17:40.43 | genix_ | valdyn_: no Sarge |
| 17:40.47 | wwallace | ok thanks s cy l8r guys very nice i liked todays session |
| 17:40.52 | wwallace | thanks for not banning me |
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| 17:41.40 | valdyn_ | genix_: will apt-get install do it? |
| 17:41.49 | valdyn_ | genix_: i dont think the error is with tasksel.. |
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| 17:43.23 | valdyn_ | genix_: nm, i didnt read properly |
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| 17:43.57 | genix_ | valdyn_ I can install the dependency packages by hand but "tasksel install desktop" is leaving them out |
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| 17:44.15 | genix_ | valdyn_: I think (I'm about to find out in 1 minute) |
| 17:44.51 | valdyn_ | genix_: tasksel --task-packages desktop | xargs apt-get install ( but you probably want to find out why aptitude / tasksel dont do it ) |
| 17:44.53 | amal | whoah... I spent *hours* trying to remove a borked package that was holding up doing anything else via dpkg. Turns out all I needed to do was edit the dpkg status file! :-) |
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| 17:45.54 | real | anyone knows the deb to install java2? |
| 17:46.01 | genix_ | valdyn_: hmm |
| 17:46.04 | asg | real: /msg dpkg install java |
| 17:46.09 | real | thxs |
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| 17:46.43 | valdyn_ | genix_: or : "tasksel --task-packages desktop | xargs aptitude install" |
| 17:47.02 | genix_ | valdyn_: I "apt-get install gnome-office" but when I after that run "tasksel install desktop" I still get "gnome: Depends: gnome-office...... |
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| 17:47.49 | valdyn_ | genix_: run apt-get update && apt-get install tasksel, and try again |
| 17:48.25 | genix_ | valdyn_: w |
| 17:48.31 | nSe | i'm running a konsole session downloading something with apt-get, if i close the session, the download will stop? |
| 17:48.39 | asg | nSe: yes |
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| 17:48.50 | nSe | asg: thank you |
| 17:48.53 | asg | nSe: re-running it will restart it where it was at though |
| 17:49.33 | genix_ | valdyn_: "apt-get update && apt-get install aptitude" didn't help |
| 17:49.43 | genix_ | valdyn_: whats that thing about xargs |
| 17:49.55 | valdyn_ | genix_: man xargs |
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| 17:51.15 | jair_11 | abrotman, I am trying to fix the clock on the debain sarge but I am using fluxbox |
| 17:51.38 | genix_ | valdyn_: "tasksel --task-packages desktop : xargs aptitude install" is not possible to run |
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| 17:51.53 | jair_11 | abrotman, It is a way to do it in the konsole the command line is something like:: set dd:mm: |
| 17:52.03 | jair_11 | I did not remmember it |
| 17:52.04 | valdyn_ | genix_: | not : |
| 17:52.14 | jair_11 | the command to change the time and date |
| 17:52.18 | greycat | date |
| 17:52.21 | jair_11 | on the xterm or konsole |
| 17:52.22 | greycat | ntpdate, rdate, etc. |
| 17:52.28 | goron | Can you name a kernel version that works with nvidia binary shit (without applying patches manually)? I tried 2.6.7 and 2.6.9, but they all failed. |
| 17:52.30 | greycat | jair_11: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 17:52.31 | jair_11 | grecool |
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| 17:52.34 | genix_ | valdyn_: and then? |
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| 17:52.48 | amal | opinions on whether Xen is stable enough for production (but not HA) use? I'm trying it at home on Ubuntu, and I've found it a bit glitchy (mtrr warnings, and outright server crashes at times under low memory situations). |
| 17:52.57 | jair_11 | graycat thanks |
| 17:53.03 | valdyn_ | genix_: run it |
| 17:53.08 | genix_ | valdyn_: the problems persist "tasksel install desktop" failed |
| 17:53.12 | asg | amal: your own experience should be enough to suggest it isn't stable. |
| 17:53.16 | genix_ | valdyn_: I have |
| 17:53.41 | valdyn_ | genix_: whats the error message? |
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| 17:54.29 | amal | asg: well yeah. Wondering what other peoples experiences have been. |
| 17:54.35 | loocek | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.46 | amal | amal_: hi amal. :-) |
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| 17:55.48 | genix_ | "tasksel install desktop" gives "gnome: Depends: gnome-office...... <new line> OTHER PACKAGES THAT HAVE THE THEIR PACKAGE DEPENDENCY <new line> tasksel: aptitude failed" |
| 17:55.49 | greycat | loocek: /msg dpkg mg |
| 17:55.58 | genix_ | valdyn_: "tasksel install desktop" gives "gnome: Depends: gnome-office...... <new line> OTHER PACKAGES THAT HAVE THE THEIR PACKAGE DEPENDENCY <new line> tasksel: aptitude failed" |
| 17:56.07 | greycat | genix_: find an error message. just one. preferably the first one. |
| 17:56.40 | valdyn_ | genix_: complete error please, in #flood if its more than 1 line |
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| 17:57.28 | kombi | I don't use NFS or NIS, do I need rpc.statd? |
| 17:57.35 | asg | kombi: no |
| 17:57.52 | kombi | like killall rpc.statd then? |
| 17:58.04 | greycat | like remove the nfs package, duh |
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| 17:58.21 | kombi | even better.. |
| 17:58.25 | greycat | !find rpc.statd sarge |
| 17:58.36 | valdyn_ | genix_: you can try /exec -o <your tasksel thing> in #flood |
| 17:58.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rpc.statd' (1): (/sbin/rpc.statd) in net/nfs-common. |
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| 17:59.32 | kombi | I'll get rid of it then, thx! |
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| 18:00.37 | Ragan | 69+ |
| 18:00.38 | dabreegster | Anyone know why telling Moosic to pause a song, play another, and then unpause the first doesn't work? I've done it before by running esd and playing a song in mpg321, ctrl+z'ing it, playing another, then typing 'fg'. |
| 18:00.39 | genix_ | valdyn_: "Some packages have unmet dependencies" |
| 18:00.55 | Chris``` | Can anyone help please ? when i do "tar zxvf Unreal3.2.3.tar.gz" i am gettin "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated" |
| 18:01.30 | greycat | Chris```: the file is not gzipped. or it's corrupt. |
| 18:01.30 | genix_ | valdyn_: "E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages" |
| 18:01.35 | kombi | do tar xfz |
| 18:01.37 | greycat | Chris```: how the hell are we supposed to "help" you? |
| 18:01.56 | valdyn_ | genix_: did you manually put packages on hold? |
| 18:01.57 | genix_ | valdyn_: (this is the first given error line) "E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages" |
| 18:02.00 | Chris``` | thanks Kombi |
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| 18:02.14 | kombi | won't help though.. |
| 18:02.20 | asg | kombi: erm, xfz will not work |
| 18:02.23 | sperm | has anyone used 3ddesk before? |
| 18:02.38 | kombi | true, same thing just not verbose |
| 18:02.46 | asg | kombi: no, 'f' takes an argument |
| 18:02.47 | drac | sperm: you can't really 'use' it, but it looks neat. |
| 18:02.56 | genix_ | valdyn_: "held packages" not "hold packages" just notice |
| 18:02.57 | sperm | drac corrext i had it work |
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| 18:02.59 | amal | hello, today I do apt-get upgrade and my system's font was changed -- uglier now. where can I fix/change this situation? |
| 18:03.08 | genix_ | valdyn_: not that I know just wanted to make you sure |
| 18:03.10 | kombi | asg: being the file? |
| 18:03.10 | sperm | i wanna test my nvidia drivers for openGL |
| 18:03.13 | asg | kombi: yes |
| 18:03.23 | genix_ | valdyn_: what is held packages? |
| 18:03.25 | sperm | that is the only i wanna say that use openGL suppport |
| 18:03.32 | sperm | in linux kinda. |
| 18:03.44 | sperm | on-less there is another way of going about it? |
| 18:03.48 | kombi | true again, I meant tar xfz [file] |
| 18:03.56 | asg | kombi: s/fz/zf/ |
| 18:04.00 | sperm | drac. can you give some advice why it would not start? |
| 18:04.34 | valdyn_ | genix_: i guess you can do /msg dpkg apt howto later. for now its not important |
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| 18:04.58 | valdyn_ | genix_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
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| 18:05.39 | genix_ | valdyn_: ok, im without X now so I can only use vim and I dont know how to copy/past with vim |
| 18:05.52 | sperm | dose anyone know know how to test openGL supprted graphics cards |
| 18:06.02 | genix_ | valdyn_: I have a source that is ok |
| 18:06.03 | sperm | too see if you have it setup correctly? |
| 18:06.10 | travisat | genix_: you don't know how to use vim? |
| 18:06.10 | Akbar | glxgears |
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| 18:06.16 | valdyn_ | genix_: in your irc client in #flood type "/exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 18:06.33 | genix_ | valdyn_: I can install Desktop Enviroment from tasksel but not with "tasksel install desktop" that is the whole thing |
| 18:06.33 | Chris``` | WARNING! 7009 bare linefeeds received in ASCII mode |
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| 18:06.42 | sperm | sperm@syko:~$ glxgears |
| 18:06.42 | sperm | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 18:06.42 | sperm | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 18:06.42 | sperm | sperm@syko:~$ |
| 18:06.42 | Chris``` | can anyone tell me why i am gettin that on ftp get |
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| 18:06.49 | simonrvn | doh |
| 18:06.50 | sperm | oppps |
| 18:06.56 | Akbar | where can I find unofficial sid debs? |
| 18:06.57 | Akbar | :P |
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| 18:07.02 | simonrvn | @tell sperm -about paste |
| 18:07.02 | Akbar | for gnome 2.10 |
| 18:07.02 | sperm | can anyone help me fix it? |
| 18:07.05 | genix_ | valdyn_: I have always use the same source so its not that (I'm 100% sure, trust me) |
| 18:07.06 | Akbar | :P |
| 18:07.10 | greycat | Akbar: no. |
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| 18:07.16 | Akbar | sorry :P |
| 18:07.21 | genix_ | valdyn_: and the sources is not comment out |
| 18:07.49 | sperm | can anyone help me setup the GLX extensions? |
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| 18:08.03 | valdyn_ | genix_: alright - find out what tasksel does in either case, *some* thing must be different |
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| 18:08.18 | Chris``` | WARNING! 7009 bare linefeeds received in ASCII mode < can anyone please tell me why i get that on ftp get Unreal3.2.3.tar.gz |
| 18:08.49 | genix_ | valdyn_: true |
| 18:08.49 | dvs | Chris```: Don't ftp in ascii mode |
| 18:09.00 | genix_ | valdyn_: find out how? |
| 18:09.03 | Chris``` | oh .. how do i change it ? |
| 18:09.06 | Chris``` | man ftp ? |
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| 18:09.23 | simonrvn | Chris```: you go in binary mode to d/l binary data, or get your client to do that auto... |
| 18:09.23 | dvs | Chris```: put in "binary" in ftp mode |
| 18:09.28 | nydust | has debian a firewall at default? |
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| 18:09.40 | dvs | nydust: no |
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| 18:09.47 | genix_ | valdyn_: I can allways use "Desktop Enviroment" from tasksel but that wont solve my problem |
| 18:09.49 | Chris``` | 200 Type set to I. |
| 18:09.57 | dvs | Chris```: Yes, that's it |
| 18:10.05 | valdyn_ | genix_: apt-get install those packages? |
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| 18:10.17 | paolo | Hi guys! What should I do in order to export a directory from a testing pc to another one? I installed packet nfs-kernel-server, and "modprobe nfs", changed /etc/exports, but when I try to mount from the client it says something like "RPC... connection refused". What does it lack? |
| 18:10.39 | Chris``` | its still transferring in ASCII mode ? |
| 18:10.42 | valdyn_ | genix_: as i already said "taskel --task-packages desktop | xargs apt-get install" |
| 18:10.45 | nydust | dvs, cause i get access denied when i am trying to open webmin in my browser |
| 18:11.05 | asg | paolo: a portmapper and other userland tools. Check the nfs howto at tldp.org |
| 18:11.06 | genix_ | valdyn_: yes, but they change with the time, "tasksel install desktop SOMETHING" would do it |
| 18:11.10 | genix_ | valdyn_: I have done that |
| 18:11.20 | dvs | nydust: It's probably the webmin configuration |
| 18:11.23 | markybob | paolo, you reading the doc. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/troubleshooting.html |
| 18:11.32 | simonrvn | Chris```: no, since you told it to fetch in binary mode |
| 18:11.34 | genix_ | "tasksel --task-packages desktop | xargs apt-get install" |
| 18:11.41 | genix_ | valdyn_: "tasksel --task-packages desktop | xargs apt-get install" |
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| 18:11.55 | genix_ | valdyn_: but that didn't change the situation |
| 18:12.00 | nydust | dvs, i found it only localhost ;) |
| 18:12.02 | nydust | thanks |
| 18:12.09 | dvs | nydust: np |
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| 18:12.35 | ExUser2 | oh i see |
| 18:13.35 | phleet | i'm having problems with apache. It isn't parsing php for some reason. Whenever I enter my site @ http://phleet.gotdns.com, it asks me to download application/x-httpd-php. I know I have the php module, i got it with apt-get |
| 18:13.36 | valdyn_ | genix_: im out of useful ideas, unless you give me an error message that gives me a clue, i cant help |
| 18:13.47 | Chris``` | cool Unreal extracts perfect now thats i am transferring in binary |
| 18:13.51 | genix_ | valdyn_: ok, here is the rest, w |
| 18:13.59 | valdyn_ | genix_: ( all these things work flawless for me, but im not using sarge ) |
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| 18:15.25 | ledet | phleet: first: obviously, php is not working for you... second: always use <?php you lazy bum! |
| 18:15.25 | asg | phleet: read /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz |
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| 18:16.20 | markybob | phleet, you have to uncomment the php module in your apache config |
| 18:16.32 | synic | how do I make it so that debian doesn't change the default options on a vanilla kernel? |
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| 18:16.59 | Chris``` | how can i copy all the files ina directry to another directory ? |
| 18:17.05 | markybob | phleet, see? not hard. |
| 18:17.10 | drac | synic: afaik 'touch .config' should do it. |
| 18:17.16 | synic | drac: cool |
| 18:17.19 | nydust | dvs, now have i enabled that everyone can get inn but i cant login |
| 18:17.19 | asg | Chris```: man cp or man tar |
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| 18:17.34 | dvs | nydust: Sorry, I don't use webmin |
| 18:17.36 | Chris``` | cheers |
| 18:18.10 | phleet | markybob: in what file?\ |
| 18:18.35 | markybob | phleet, if you dont understand what i mean by "uncomment php module in apache config"...go read a how-to. |
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| 18:18.58 | phleet | markybob: but theres no AddModule line for it! |
| 18:19.23 | valdyn_ | genix_: i saw no rest |
| 18:19.33 | phleet | markybob: and its apache2 btw |
| 18:19.44 | amxworking | Hi guys, I'm trying to install Debian on a laptop from a CD (want to boot up into installation)..what files should I have in the root of the CD to enable boot installation? |
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| 18:19.50 | markybob | phleet, you realize that your site is working, right? |
| 18:20.08 | genix_ | valdyn_: w |
| 18:20.26 | genix_ | valdyn_: Im about to write you the Error report |
| 18:20.36 | phleet | markybob: thats cuz i added an html file to test if apache was running properly |
| 18:20.46 | markybob | phleet, how did you install php? |
| 18:20.55 | phleet | markybob: apt-get |
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| 18:21.01 | markybob | phleet, what command did you use? |
| 18:21.07 | amxworking | is it sufficient to make a CD with all of the "install" from the i386 Installation CD into the root directory of the CD and be able to boot? |
| 18:21.12 | phleet | markybob: apt-get install php4 |
| 18:21.21 | markybob | phleet, then how about you apt-get the php4 apache module? |
| 18:21.31 | asg | phleet: install libapache2-mod-php4 as well |
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| 18:22.01 | phleet | lol |
| 18:22.04 | phleet | no... :( |
| 18:22.09 | thingfish | amxworking: no, that probably will not work. |
| 18:22.13 | amxworking | oh |
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| 18:22.21 | amxworking | what do u need to get a CD bootable then? |
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| 18:22.39 | thingfish | amxworking: do you have a good fast internet connection? Why not use debian-installer? |
| 18:22.46 | genix_ | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages<new line> E: Unable to correct dependencies, some packages could not be installed |
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| 18:22.50 | thingfish | or are you wanting to install woody. |
| 18:22.50 | nydust | can apache give me access denaid on some ports? |
| 18:22.55 | Uflenti | how can i search for a certain strings in downloadable packages list with apt-get? i need an irc client... |
| 18:23.06 | asg | Uflenti: apt-cache search foo |
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| 18:23.21 | Uflenti | thanks |
| 18:23.21 | amxworking | thingfish: unfortunately i have no Internet or network connectivity on laptop at present, but i do on my main system here, plus a CD writer |
| 18:24.01 | thingfish | amxworking: ok, I see. |
| 18:24.04 | dvs | amxworking: Does your laptop have a network card (wired) |
| 18:24.06 | amxworking | thingfish: want to install testing |
| 18:24.17 | valdyn_ | genix_: thats not new, i cant help. |
| 18:24.25 | Chris``` | damn it .. on cp its just omittin directorys |
| 18:24.32 | amxworking | dvs: no network card |
| 18:24.40 | valdyn_ | genix_: apt-get install gpm to get mouse in console for cut & paste btw |
| 18:24.43 | genix_ | valdyn_: the last part (to not flood): E: Unable to resolve some dependencies! Some packages had unmet dependencies. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet beet created or been moved out for incomming |
| 18:24.44 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I'm using 2.6.9 kernel and Bradcom NetXtreme BCM5701 Gigabit Ethernet device. Everything worked ok until I've replaced my switch. Now in dmesg I'm getting errors such as "tg3: tg3_stop_block timed out, ofs=c00 enable_bit=2" and the device doesn't respond on the network. What's wrong? How can I fix that? |
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| 18:24.56 | amxworking | options are limited |
| 18:25.00 | amxworking | no floppy drive either |
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| 18:25.15 | genix_ | valdyn_: The following packages have unmet dependencies: <new line> A LONG LIST OF PACKAGES |
| 18:25.23 | genix_ | valdyn_: thats it |
| 18:25.25 | valdyn_ | genix_: yea, that could happen in sarge, but that doesnt explain why gui acts different than the command line |
| 18:25.34 | slackd00d | the pope is dead |
| 18:25.36 | slackd00d | its officiall |
| 18:25.40 | thingfish | no way |
| 18:25.40 | dvs | damn |
| 18:25.42 | amxworking | i think my only option is to make a bootable cd |
| 18:25.45 | amxworking | serious? |
| 18:26.08 | genix_ | valdyn_: no, it don't. It cant be "tasksel install desktop" it must be something else |
| 18:26.13 | valdyn_ | genix_: thats why i think you should probably report this as bug and see if the maintainer knows, or if someone already file a bug |
| 18:26.16 | carnage | will moving /home to /mnt/bigpartition/home and creating /home as a symlink to /mnt/bigpartition/home cause any adverse affects? |
| 18:26.17 | thingfish | he'll likely die sometime today. |
| 18:26.19 | genix_ | valdyn_: pls see man tasksel |
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| 18:26.36 | woodie | sarge-i386-netinst rc3 worked like a champ with my notebook with cardbus firewire |
| 18:26.46 | Chameleon22 | has msn been updated or something? since gaim consistently refuses to connect |
| 18:27.08 | Ronin | Chameleon22: ya its up and down more then a hooker on dollar night this week |
| 18:27.09 | synic | drac: what I want is the defaults that you would get on a distro that doesn't mess with it |
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| 18:27.15 | synic | touch .config removes everything |
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| 18:27.19 | genix_ | valdyn_: "tasksel install file-server" is workking great |
| 18:27.27 | genix_ | valdyn_: so it must be a bug |
| 18:27.32 | Chameleon22 | Ronin: uh ok so its not just me... ok thanks |
| 18:27.34 | Chris``` | any ideas ? on ftp i keep gettin "550 Failed to change directory." when i try change to /home |
| 18:27.39 | thingfish | well, CNN's not reporting it yet, I'm getting to Osservatore Romano now... |
| 18:27.40 | Chris``` | any ideas ? on ftp i keep gettin "550 Failed to change directory." when i try change to /home/irc/Unreal3.2 |
| 18:27.50 | phleet | k, now php runs properly, now having issue /w mysql.. http://phleet.gotdns.com/~phleet mysql_connect error |
| 18:28.00 | Chameleon22 | Chris```: by any chance would you be trying to ftp into xbox? |
| 18:28.06 | asg | phleet: apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 18:28.10 | Chris``` | no :) |
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| 18:28.14 | phleet | asg: done that |
| 18:28.14 | woodie | Is the an apt-get flag to bring down build tools (gcc, autoconf, etc) in rc3? |
| 18:28.25 | valdyn_ | genix_: yea, well, both work in sid, you might want to to compare with someone else running sarge, _or_ see how "desktop" works if you help tasksel but already installing parts of it via "apt-get install gnome" for example |
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| 18:28.28 | drac | synic: ah, so the default config you're looking for (never used myself) must come with kernel sources then? copy it to .config :o |
| 18:28.35 | asg | phleet: check /etc/php4/apache/php.ini (make sure extension=mysql.so is uncommented at the bottom.) |
| 18:28.46 | synic | drac: copy what to .config? |
| 18:28.58 | Chameleon22 | Chris```: xbox gave me same issue ... 2 options, 1. experiment with new ftp settings - passive/active and second maybe try diff client or server :/ |
| 18:29.01 | drac | synic: sorry, dunno :/ |
| 18:29.10 | phleet | asg: it is |
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| 18:29.24 | asg | phleet: make sure to restart apache and clear your browser cache. |
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| 18:29.36 | Chris``` | cool . i aint ftpn xbox btw |
| 18:29.39 | opteek | how can I get a list of all the packages I have installed? |
| 18:29.41 | valdyn_ | genix_: apt-get fails to resolve depends under some circumstances, aptitude might fail too under some circumstances |
| 18:29.48 | thingfish | well wait, now CNN is saying Italian media is reporting pope has died. |
| 18:29.51 | asg | opteek: dpkg -l | grep ^[hi]i |
| 18:30.24 | phleet | asg: done and done, still mysql_connect error |
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| 18:30.32 | genix_ | valdyn_: I know, aptitude removed 200 packages for me 2 weeks ago when i was running "aptitude install xchm" |
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| 18:30.48 | genix_ | valdyn_: So you running Sid |
| 18:30.52 | Chris``` | Should this work for renamin a directory ? rename /home/irc/Unreal3.2/ /home/irc/green/ |
| 18:31.08 | travisat | Chris```: no |
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| 18:31.13 | asg | phleet: hmmm |
| 18:31.15 | valdyn_ | genix_: yes, and i dont normally use aptitude |
| 18:31.22 | genix_ | valdyn_: I'm new to Debian, should I use Sid or Sarge for a Desktop? |
| 18:31.26 | Chris``` | ~[ travisat ]~ what should it be ? |
| 18:31.29 | opteek | Chris``` : mv is the command |
| 18:31.29 | valdyn_ | genix_: sarge |
| 18:31.29 | travisat | Chris```: mv renames stuff |
| 18:31.33 | genix_ | valdyn_: Why? |
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| 18:31.43 | Chris``` | :O |
| 18:31.46 | amxworking | netinst CD installation requires internet to install anything past base installation? |
| 18:31.50 | asg | phleet: create a page with '<?phpinfo();?>' in it. Hit that with a browser and see if it indicates support for MySQL. |
| 18:31.57 | opteek | amxworking : no |
| 18:32.02 | dvs | amxworking: yes |
| 18:32.04 | valdyn_ | genix_: b/c sid has completely untested packages, which may do "rm -rf /" or anything you can imagine ) |
| 18:32.07 | dvs | opteek: ??? |
| 18:32.19 | opteek | amxworking : err, yes, i mean, it doesnt install anything past base |
| 18:32.19 | amxworking | oh |
| 18:32.24 | amxworking | ok thanks |
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| 18:32.43 | WiFiTux | SATA HD's don't have a Temperature Sensor? |
| 18:32.52 | anhi | genix_: i use sid, it works perfectly on the desktop |
| 18:32.52 | dvs | amxworking: Does your laptop have firewire? |
| 18:32.52 | amxworking | i guess i need to get networking/internet connectivity before i try and install Debian on this laptop |
| 18:32.59 | travisat | Chris```: rename is a perl script that does specific functions |
| 18:33.08 | genix_ | anhi: ok, why not Sarge? |
| 18:33.11 | amxworking | dvs: whats firewire? all i have is the laptop and a CDROM drive |
| 18:33.16 | phleet | asg: yeah, im pretty sure it is. take a look. http://phleet.gotdns.com |
| 18:33.20 | valdyn_ | genix_: only if after 10 days no grave bug was found ( among other things ), a sid package can enter sarge |
| 18:33.23 | dvs | amxworking: I guess not. It a connector like USB |
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| 18:33.28 | amx | oh i see |
| 18:33.44 | S4nD3r_ | Hy |
| 18:33.47 | opteek | amx : you have a pcmcia eth card? |
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| 18:33.55 | anhi | genix_: cos sarge is allready half-frozen and will become the next stable, and stable only makes sense on servers, but on the desktop i prefer new packages from testing/unstable |
| 18:33.56 | genix_ | anhi: valdyn_ is not Sarge unstable enough |
| 18:34.00 | S4nD3r_ | How do I convert PDF file to .html?? Is it possible ? |
| 18:34.15 | amx | opteek: i have a pcmcia modem card is all, which is 56k and would be slow as hell eh. |
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| 18:34.25 | anhi | genix_: it's just called unstable, i have a few weeks uptime with my "unstable" box |
| 18:34.26 | amx | i have no dongle for network connection to use broadband :( |
| 18:34.28 | asg | phleet: from that it isn't installed as far as php4 is concerned. |
| 18:34.30 | miernik | did anyone have installed vim 7 ? its completely broken, unusable, arrowsplace ACD letters in the file, i for insert doesn't work |
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| 18:34.40 | asg | phleet: oh, check /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini (for the extension=mysql.so) |
| 18:34.44 | genix_ | anhi: ok |
| 18:34.46 | amx | opteek: my desktop system is setup for broadband and connected to LAN |
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| 18:34.50 | valdyn_ | anhi: uptime is a function of you kernel, _not_ your debian release |
| 18:35.06 | anhi | valdyn_: if your distro is fucked the best kernel wont save you |
| 18:35.07 | opteek | amx: does the laptop have an ethernet build in? |
| 18:35.11 | j3di | anyone know how to add code to html to make a shell script spit out some info |
| 18:35.14 | asuffield | typically, uptime is a function of your power supply |
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| 18:35.17 | dvs | opteek: no |
| 18:35.23 | dvs | opteek: No network card |
| 18:35.27 | genix_ | anhi: valdyn_ It make sense on servers because off the seurity, but what about the security for a Destop |
| 18:35.28 | anhi | and i use a mix of testing/unstable + packages from other debian based distros (e.g. my xorg is from ubuntu) |
| 18:35.31 | amx | opteek: no it has pcmcia and i have a dual modem and ethernet 10/100 card installed in it |
| 18:35.32 | j3di | i wanna make an "uptime" note in the corner of my site |
| 18:35.33 | valdyn_ | asuffield: then it would be 20 years =/ |
| 18:35.43 | asuffield | valdyn_: you haven't lost power in that long? |
| 18:35.45 | opteek | amx: ahhh |
| 18:35.52 | valdyn_ | asuffield: yea |
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| 18:35.55 | amx | opteek: but unfortunately the dongle only supports modem and not ethernet |
| 18:35.57 | asuffield | sounds unlikely |
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| 18:36.01 | opteek | amx: oh :( |
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| 18:36.05 | amx | sux :( |
| 18:36.07 | dvs | amx: Why can't you use the modem card as a network card? |
| 18:36.15 | anhi | genix_: it's secure allright, but stable has long-time tested versions that have proven secure in testing for quite a while |
| 18:36.18 | dvs | amx: oops sorry. |
| 18:36.19 | woodie | will 'apt-get install devel' bring down the entire suite of applications (in sarge rc3)? |
| 18:36.23 | amx | hehe |
| 18:36.23 | phleet | asg: it was commented, but its fixed and it still doesn't work |
| 18:36.31 | valdyn_ | asuffield: i dont control it for 20 years, i had no noticable poweroutage, thats all i can tell |
| 18:36.31 | genix_ | valdyn_: anhi Sounds like I will stick with Sid now anyway |
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| 18:36.43 | dvs | amx: What other ports does the laptop have? |
| 18:36.44 | amx | i guess the only thing to do is wait for a new dongle next week, unless i can make a CD on my desktop system? |
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| 18:36.46 | genix_ | anhi: how long time have you used Sid? |
| 18:36.59 | valdyn_ | asuffield: and its not atypical for this place |
| 18:37.00 | asg | phleet: did you fully restart apache2 afterwards? |
| 18:37.05 | Chameleon22 | can someone tell me if they can resolve fuzzyit.com and what they see when they do |
| 18:37.05 | amx | dvs: all of em, USB, serial, parallel, infrared even |
| 18:37.06 | phleet | mhm |
| 18:37.06 | amx | hehe |
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| 18:37.15 | anhi | genix_: a simple way for beginners would be starting from a debian/sid livecd (i'd suggest kanotix since it's like knoppix but 100% debian and more new packages + patches) |
| 18:37.16 | dvs | amx: Not firewire ;-) |
| 18:37.24 | amx | i dont think so |
| 18:37.28 | genix_ | anhi: valdyn_ and how many % off the professional Debian user is using Sid for Desktops? |
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| 18:37.35 | Kzimm | hi |
| 18:37.38 | S4nD3r_ | How do I convert PDF file to .html?? Is it possible ? |
| 18:37.42 | asuffield | genix_: it is utterly impossible to know |
| 18:37.42 | anhi | genix_: i allways ran testing/unstable on my desktop, and allways stable on my servers |
| 18:37.50 | valdyn_ | genix_: it doesnt matter |
| 18:38.09 | valdyn_ | genix_: a gnome coder will run unstable gnome, that doesnt make it particularily useful |
| 18:38.11 | amx | in theory i should be able to boot to Windows and copy the CDROM contents for Debian Linux to HDD and install from there? |
| 18:38.13 | Kzimm | ho make a .iso of a partition dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/mnt/Backup/BACKUP/PART_BOOT.iso is good no ? but went i try mount it, it show me an error |
| 18:38.14 | anhi | genix_: most professionals run a mix of testing/unstable i'd say |
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| 18:38.41 | genix_ | anhi: a mix? |
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| 18:38.49 | asg | anhi: professional what? |
| 18:38.50 | asuffield | most professionals run windows. silly question |
| 18:38.54 | genix_ | anhi: users |
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| 18:39.08 | anhi | genix_: apt supports pinning, means you can specify the version/release you want |
| 18:39.09 | opteek | amx: what would be easier is to create a small partition, and put everything you need for a base install there, and then boot a rootdisk |
| 18:39.12 | WiFiTux | SATA HD's don't have a Temperature Sensor? |
| 18:39.18 | phleet | asg: any other ideas? |
| 18:39.19 | dvs | amx: Why can't you get some of the CD images, burn them, and use those to install to the laptop |
| 18:39.20 | anhi | asg: we were talking on a user, not a developer base |
| 18:39.24 | opteek | amx: or on the windows partition if you intend to keep it |
| 18:39.29 | amx | opteek: i have no floppy drive in laptop tho |
| 18:39.33 | opteek | amx: oohhh |
| 18:39.40 | asg | phleet: well, phpinfo() insists that mysql support is not installed. |
| 18:39.45 | opteek | amx: netboot?? |
| 18:39.55 | opteek | amx: oh, no th0 |
| 18:39.56 | asuffield | WiFiTux: that's a per-drive feature, but I've yet to find a modern drive without one |
| 18:39.59 | asg | phleet: did you stop and start apache2, not just reload? |
| 18:39.59 | amx | dvs: i could do that, how many CDs would i need to download? |
| 18:40.00 | asuffield | of course, I don't buy cheap-shit drives |
| 18:40.10 | valdyn_ | genix_: /msg dpkg sid |
| 18:40.13 | genix_ | valdyn_: anhi can some off you pls paste the exacly url to a image off sid so I can get it with wget and burn it? |
| 18:40.13 | amx | opteek: no network connectivity at present |
| 18:40.14 | dvs | amx: I'd get four of them. |
| 18:40.14 | asg | phleet: also, what threading module are you using? prefork? |
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| 18:40.33 | opteek | amx: well, get a bootable debian cd then |
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| 18:40.41 | amx | dvs: ok, will take a while but i can do it..i have 750k broadband |
| 18:40.49 | opteek | amx: buy a nice debian book that comes with one ;) |
| 18:40.54 | phleet | asg: yeah, i stopped and started |
| 18:40.54 | amx | hehe |
| 18:41.04 | valdyn_ | genix_: that something works on my sid box and doesnt work on your sarge box is by NO MEAN a hint to use sid |
| 18:41.06 | amx | can you get a single bootable CD image? |
| 18:41.07 | dvs | amx: And get that dongle for the ethernet connection (eventually) |
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| 18:41.08 | United | is there anyway apache can read from mysql in real time? |
| 18:41.11 | opteek | amx : yes |
| 18:41.12 | phleet | asg: and yeah, prefork |
| 18:41.15 | dvs | amx: yes |
| 18:41.26 | amx | dvs: yes, i didnt notice the dongle i picked up was for modem ..doh |
| 18:41.41 | asg | phleet: and you are sure you uncommented 'extension=mysql.so' in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini? |
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| 18:42.01 | anhi | genix_: dont know if there are any hosters offering sid DVD isos, you can either get them from jigdo or download a live-cd like kanotix (http://www.kanotix.com/) |
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| 18:42.47 | genix_ | anhi: I want the CD iso for Sid |
| 18:43.05 | genix_ | anhi: The first disc only |
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| 18:43.21 | p88 | hi all |
| 18:43.30 | p88 | are there people here who use gmailfs? |
| 18:43.35 | Uflenti | how can i save the file with vi? |
| 18:43.40 | p88 | or successfully installed it |
| 18:43.42 | valdyn_ | anhi: dont recommend livecds to install debian without at least menioning that after using it genix_ will not get support in this channel |
| 18:43.48 | genix_ | anhi: can you paste it and I don't have to reinstall/burn/reinstall |
| 18:43.59 | Henning | :wq to save a file with vi. You may need to press escape first depending on your current mode. |
| 18:44.00 | phleet | asg: thanks, it was listed twice in php.ini.. for some reason i either uncommented the wrong one the first time or they both have to be uncommented |
| 18:44.06 | p88 | or who have used Fuse(Filesystem in USErspace) and know where and how to compile the module? |
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| 18:44.13 | Henning | Erm, just :w, :wq quits also. |
| 18:44.13 | genix_ | anhi: then I just need to burn/install Sid |
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| 18:44.22 | miks | Is anyone here running the engage dock? |
| 18:44.25 | asg | phleet: ah. Looks like you just need to fix your access creds now and you should be all set. |
| 18:44.34 | anhi | valdyn_: e.g. kanotix is 100% debian/sid and can be used as such |
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| 18:44.36 | dvs | genix_: I'd install Sarge |
| 18:44.51 | phleet | asg: yeah, the code's from my friend's server. joint project |
| 18:45.05 | anhi | valdyn_: and most beginners are scared by the textmode installer |
| 18:45.06 | valdyn_ | !kanotix |
| 18:45.35 | valdyn_ | anhi: thats irrelevant |
| 18:45.55 | genix_ | dvs: I'ts really hard for me to know if I should use Sarge/Sid but I will know that later (I will test Sid) |
| 18:46.04 | asg | genix_: no, use sarge. |
| 18:46.07 | asg | genix_: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 18:46.27 | bhushan | md64 |
| 18:46.31 | valdyn_ | anhi: and kanotix isnt debian, dont make me quote their own website ) |
| 18:46.33 | anhi | valdyn_: thats why ubuntu and similar are so popular, the good debian base with a nice looking layout |
| 18:46.37 | asg | bhushan: #debian-amd64 |
| 18:46.54 | anhi | valdyn_: "This time the complete distro is based on Debian/sid ..." |
| 18:46.58 | Kzimm | how make a .iso of a partition dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/mnt/Backup/BACKUP/PART_BOOT.iso is good no ? but went i try mount it, it show me an error |
| 18:47.00 | anhi | (quoting from the site) |
| 18:47.04 | valdyn_ | !based on debian |
| 18:47.04 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 18:47.05 | genix_ | asg: why? |
| 18:47.10 | goedel | genix_: in sid some packages are broken; you can come in great difficulties when installing sid |
| 18:47.16 | asg | genix_: read the sid faq, look at the horrible bugs part. |
| 18:47.28 | greycat | !break |
| 18:47.28 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 18:47.37 | edibletext | Kzimm, use mkisofs |
| 18:47.45 | genix_ | asg: ok |
| 18:48.06 | Kzimm | edibletext: k thw |
| 18:48.15 | greycat | Kzimm: dd just reads bytes. reading all the bytes of an ext3 file system does not make it an ISO 9660 file system. |
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| 18:48.33 | valdyn_ | anhi: "based on" doesnt mean it is debian, just like french may be based on latin, but is by no means identical |
| 18:49.01 | anhi | valdyn_: well, using apt you can transform it into a complete debian system i'd say |
| 18:49.05 | greycat | valdyn_: ooh, nice analogy. |
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| 18:49.19 | Kzimm | greycat: oh okay so hum what is best for backup a system partition and boot partition for a backup later ? |
| 18:49.28 | asuffield | I prefer the ozone one |
| 18:49.29 | MobyTurbo | anhi: most debian-based systems, like Ubuntu or especially Knoppix, cannot be transformed to Debian by mixing repositories. |
| 18:49.31 | anhi | valdyn_: btw, good example, latin is dead while french is still used somewhere, bad analogy for debian :P |
| 18:49.34 | valdyn_ | anhi: you can "nearly" with some crucial packages staying kanotix, with unpredicitable side effects |
| 18:49.37 | asuffield | what the heck was it? |
| 18:49.42 | asuffield | dpkg: listvals ozone |
| 18:49.42 | asg | anhi: no, latin is very much alive |
| 18:49.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ozone' by value (1): CMD: knoppixsmite (.*?). |
| 18:49.50 | anhi | MobyTurbo: and thats the difference with kanotix, it was transformed perfectly for me |
| 18:50.00 | asuffield | dpkg: literal knoppixsmite (.*?) |
| 18:50.02 | genix_ | asg: but "tasksel install desktop" is a bug that I want in my script for Sarfe, that is corrected in Sid |
| 18:50.02 | anhi | asg: why, cos the pope is dying? :P |
| 18:50.05 | asuffield | that's the one |
| 18:50.08 | MobyTurbo | anhi: I doubt that, it uses a different /sbin/init for example. |
| 18:50.14 | genix_ | asg: but I can live without it anyway |
| 18:50.32 | asg | anhi: no, there are Perl modules for coding in Latin, and I have a copy of 'Winnie Ille Pu' on my bookshelf. |
| 18:50.34 | genix_ | asg: Just don't like those bugs |
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| 18:50.53 | opteek | asg: hehe |
| 18:50.53 | asg | genix_: well, manually grab the sid package and install it. It will make it into sarge eventually. |
| 18:50.59 | valdyn_ | genix_: no one said its corrected in sid |
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| 18:51.17 | valdyn_ | genix_: just because it works for me, doesnt mean its corrected |
| 18:51.24 | genix_ | valdyn_: I thought you could run it? |
| 18:51.36 | valdyn_ | genix_: i have a different base to start off |
| 18:51.40 | Cvbge | How can i check which installed packages are from not-main ? (I'd like to know for sure if dbase [from php] can't be compiled with packages from main only...) |
| 18:51.49 | Kzimm | edibletext: it's for a backup of make a return if there is a problem on /boot /sys partition what is the best make a CD or make a dd for DD in the other turn after ? |
| 18:51.54 | valdyn_ | genix_: i have different packages already installed |
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| 18:52.21 | genix_ | valdyn_: ok |
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| 18:52.31 | MobyTurbo | !nonsense Kzimm |
| 18:52.32 | dpkg | Kzimm: How have did the kernel cache to auto discovered the wifi thing !!!???? |
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| 18:53.19 | edibletext | Kzimm, to backup files I would `rsync' the data to another box |
| 18:53.25 | genix_ | valdyn_: I have to keep going with my installation now, thanks for your help valdyn_ |
| 18:53.43 | valdyn_ | genix_: welcome |
| 18:53.48 | darxeth | does anyone got any good Ebook about linux or programming in linux or c language that can send it to me please? there's alot of such Ebooks in bittorrent servers and i've been trying since long enough to download any but none was able to connect and downloa |
| 18:53.56 | Kzimm | edibletext: i haven't that choise so i get a external HD :/ |
| 18:54.05 | Kzimm | dpkg: ?? |
| 18:54.05 | edibletext | Kzimm, though one could make ISOs and burnthem or store them as well |
| 18:54.32 | genix_ | valdyn_: it's allways intresting to talk with the people who is into Debian when I know so little myself |
| 18:54.38 | amx | i dont see the point in making ISO CD images |
| 18:54.42 | genix_ | valdyn_: cs |
| 18:54.44 | amx | waste of discs and time/bandwidth |
| 18:54.48 | MobyTurbo | darxeth: this is not a warez channel |
| 18:54.58 | amx | either buy discs or do internet install eh |
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| 18:55.21 | wwallace | hello again |
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| 18:55.44 | Kzimm | edibletext: if i boot on a knopix for exemple i can DD if=.iso created by dd of=/newpart ? |
| 18:55.47 | p88 | hello does anyone know how to install fuse? |
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| 18:56.04 | p88 | I really would like to know and #fuse has 3 people in it |
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| 18:56.11 | p88 | none of those is there |
| 18:56.22 | wwallace | my mouse has a little hand on it and it only requires me to click once opn a file how do i change to double click in order to open files? |
| 18:56.23 | edibletext | amx, they're handy if you mount them and make them availibe as ISOs as well.. its like 2 fer da price of 1 |
| 18:57.30 | Gnea | p88: at first i read that as "does anyone know hwo to install a fuse?" |
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| 18:57.41 | Gnea | *how |
| 18:57.53 | _SerhaT_ | p88: I am pretty new myself but the first thing I would do is try to use module-assistant.. a.k.a m-a .. try that first.. |
| 18:57.59 | dvs | wwallace: The double click isn't up to the mouse driver, it's up to the window manager. |
| 18:58.02 | greycat | p88: doesn't it have instructions? |
| 18:58.08 | p88 | greycat: ;) |
| 18:58.09 | wwallace | ok |
| 18:58.15 | wwallace | how do i change it? |
| 18:58.17 | greycat | _SerhaT_: oh. it's a KERNEL thing? gods.... |
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| 18:58.26 | p88 | greycat: none at all at least not to install it |
| 18:58.28 | dvs | wwallace: it depends on the window manager |
| 18:58.29 | edibletext | Kzimm, thats not how it works.. |
| 18:58.31 | wwallace | kde |
| 18:58.42 | dvs | wwallace: Sorry, I use GNOME |
| 18:58.42 | wwallace | i guess |
| 18:58.46 | thingfish | local news has reported that the Vatican has informed local clergy that the pope has died. |
| 18:58.54 | thingfish | fwiw |
| 18:59.02 | wwallace | i know i reported that like an hour ago |
| 18:59.02 | edibletext | april fools? |
| 18:59.09 | dvs | wwallace: In the lower lefthand corner, it's either a foot or a K |
| 18:59.09 | wwallace | the pope is dead |
| 18:59.10 | thingfish | no, no april fools. |
| 18:59.14 | greycat | whatever. |
| 18:59.16 | dvs | edibletext: nope |
| 18:59.16 | edibletext | long live the pope |
| 18:59.16 | asg | thingfish: #pope |
| 18:59.16 | wwallace | thers a k |
| 18:59.23 | thingfish | hehe asg |
| 18:59.28 | greycat | asg: hmm. |
| 18:59.29 | Kzimm | edibletext: :/ how do it work |
| 18:59.31 | dvs | wwallace: It'd KDE |
| 19:00.33 | wwallace | i went to kde control center but i couldnt figure which entry is the one to change this |
| 19:00.33 | greg_ | wwallace: control panel => device=>mouse |
| 19:00.33 | p88 | I don't get it |
| 19:00.35 | p88 | why don't they write something on it |
| 19:00.49 | dvs | p88: It's not official yet |
| 19:00.53 | asg | p88: they have http://fuse.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:00.55 | p88 | NOBODY has written anything on it. I looked through 8 pages google |
| 19:01.04 | p88 | asg: yes and I read every part of it |
| 19:01.10 | wwallace | may be #kde? |
| 19:01.12 | p88 | there is no hint on how to build the module |
| 19:01.24 | greycat | p88: if it's a module, you use module-assistant. |
| 19:01.34 | asg | p88: # A package containing the kernel headers for the kernel binary is available in the distribution (e.g. on Debian it's the kernel-headers-X.Y.Z package for kernel-image-X.Y.Z) |
| 19:01.34 | p88 | well let's try it |
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| 19:01.46 | greycat | p88: if that doesn't work, you do it all by hand. if you don't know how to do it all by hand, You Lose. |
| 19:01.48 | p88 | asg: not nice when you have compiled your own kernel |
| 19:02.02 | greycat | p88: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:02.02 | p88 | greycat: there is a Makefile in it but it doesn't work |
| 19:02.16 | greycat | p88: in 2005, it's no longer recommended for linux users to build their own kernels. |
| 19:02.17 | nydust | how do i disable iptables? |
| 19:02.23 | greycat | the upstream linux sources are NO LONGER CONSIDERED STABLE. |
| 19:02.28 | p88 | greycat: I have already made my own kernel it is finished |
| 19:02.36 | greycat | They have delegated the stabilization of their own fucking code to the distributors (e.g. Debian). |
| 19:02.38 | Kzimm | edibletext: sorry to re askbut what is the best to make a exact copy of a part to be re-copy to the new part ? |
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| 19:02.44 | wwallace | the correct path control center>peripherals>mouse |
| 19:02.47 | greycat | p88: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:02.50 | p88 | ... |
| 19:02.54 | p88 | I read it |
| 19:02.57 | wwallace | greg_: thank you for the ideAA |
| 19:03.01 | greycat | p88: /msg dpkg kernel of instability |
| 19:03.28 | wwallace | I GUES I HAVE TO RESTART THE X SERVER ? |
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| 19:03.32 | wwallace | oops |
| 19:03.33 | wwallace | sorry |
| 19:03.35 | p88 | ok |
| 19:03.55 | edibletext | Kzimm, I would use rsync. |
| 19:04.07 | MobyTurbo | wwallace: no, you shouldn't need to do that to adjust mouse window manager behavior. |
| 19:04.22 | miks | Has anyone here succesfully installed Enlightenment on Debian and gotten it working? |
| 19:04.45 | MobyTurbo | miks: e16 is in the apt repositories. |
| 19:05.08 | wwallace | MobyTurbo: u right |
| 19:05.13 | wwallace | is working fine now |
| 19:05.20 | Kzimm | edibletext: between a box and an external HD ? |
| 19:05.25 | anhi | there is also a repository for E17 out there, worked fine for me |
| 19:05.32 | miks | Moby: I installed 'apt-get install enlightenment' and everything seemed to be succesful |
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| 19:05.51 | greg_ | anhi: where do you find e17 |
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| 19:05.59 | MobyTurbo | miks: um, then why did you ask the channel? |
| 19:06.00 | anhi | greg_: deb http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ unstable main |
| 19:06.01 | miks | but I can't seem to get enlightenment to show up in sessions instead |
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| 19:06.15 | miks | Moby: because I can't get it to load instead of gnome |
| 19:06.23 | edibletext | Kzimm, 'external HD' means what. the drive just happens to plug into USB or firewire or something? |
| 19:06.29 | greg_ | anhi: How it is (e17), I use it one years before and I like this stuff |
| 19:06.34 | MobyTurbo | miks: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 19:06.56 | anhi | greg_: it's still a devel version but it looks great and the CPU usage isn't bad at all |
| 19:06.58 | Kzimm | edibletext: HD in USB yeah plug before backup and unplug after for not be on the network |
| 19:07.04 | darxeth | how can i access a shared folder from another computer in my network in linux? like in windows i used to go to "My Network Places" and choose the computer name... |
| 19:07.05 | edibletext | Kzimm, its justa nother block device. mount it; copy files; umount |
| 19:07.09 | greg_ | anhi: Thanks for the info |
| 19:07.15 | anhi | greg_: i really liked it but i'll wait until it's done |
| 19:07.21 | anhi | greg_: you're welcome |
| 19:07.27 | dvs | darxeth: you want samba |
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| 19:07.30 | asg | darxeth: smbfs |
| 19:07.33 | miks | update-alternatives gets me a command not found |
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| 19:07.50 | wwallace | i think i was tricked..... |
| 19:07.51 | Kzimm | edibletext: on this HD i copy many .tgz but i want copy the image of 2 partition /sys and /boot |
| 19:07.53 | edibletext | mmm sauce |
| 19:07.54 | MobyTurbo | miks: as root? |
| 19:07.56 | Balamuc | i've just recompiled 2.6.8 kernel and i have this error when i try to boot: cs89x0: no cs8900 or cs8920 detected. Be sure to disable PnP with SETUP |
| 19:08.03 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 19:08.10 | miks | moby: I'm a fool ... :) |
| 19:08.15 | Balamuc | is there anyway i could fix that? |
| 19:08.22 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.47 | CharlesBrown | What do you call where the date info is in a file |
| 19:08.50 | CharlesBrown | in the something table |
| 19:08.52 | CharlesBrown | or something |
| 19:08.57 | p88 | greycat: I believe I need the kernel-headers for fuse to work |
| 19:08.58 | darxeth | dvs: should i apt-get install samba, or does it resides in my hd already? |
| 19:09.14 | miks | what version of enlightenment is in the package 'enlightenment', I'd like to get e17 |
| 19:09.27 | dvs | darxeth: Try installing it and see if it does anything. |
| 19:09.31 | greycat | p88: so you add "kernel_headers" to your make-kpkg command. |
| 19:09.31 | Quinn_Storm | hey, quick question, anyone know anything about usb? I've got a board w/ an intel 82371SB usb/ide/isa/etc. chip on it, and all of the functions are fine except for the usb, its using the uhci_hcd module (2.6), though I also tried 2.4.27 uhci & usb_uhci modules, but I can't get it to react when I plug anything in. it gives the device power, but it doesn't notice I plugged it in, and hotplug is installed. lsusb only shows the root hub. under windows on |
| 19:09.31 | Quinn_Storm | ted when I plugged something in |
| 19:09.37 | Uflenti | run |
| 19:09.40 | greycat | p88: or you use a debian kernel and the matching headers |
| 19:09.43 | p88 | greycat: did that and trying it |
| 19:09.47 | miks | I think it's e16 |
| 19:09.49 | p88 | first thing... |
| 19:09.50 | edibletext | Kzimm, partition the USB drive; make file systems; mount; copy; umount |
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| 19:10.16 | darxeth | dvs: alright, thanks for your help |
| 19:10.20 | EvolutionR | I got an error when I add the kde-redhat.list to sources.list.d (apt-get update) http://apt.kde-redhat.org RELEASE/stable pkglist 404 Not Found Anyone can help? |
| 19:10.22 | edibletext | Kzimm, nothing Xtreme or complicated about it. |
| 19:10.31 | dvs | darxeth: Don't thank me yet. You have to set it up. |
| 19:10.39 | valdyn_ | Quinn_Storm: ohci ? |
| 19:10.40 | asg | EvolutionR: #debian-kde |
| 19:10.46 | miks | moby: did you say e17 is in the respoitories? |
| 19:10.53 | darxeth | dvs: oh... hehe, sounds its gonna be something |
| 19:10.57 | Kzimm | edibletext: humm i didn't understood about making part on the USB .. humgood idea yeah haven't tough of the thanks a lot ! |
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| 19:11.25 | Kzimm | edibletext: just a last question before leave :) i have a server box and i dunno what are the good source.list line to put |
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| 19:11.29 | dvs | darxeth: It weird. You think you have it right but it doesn't work. But when you come back to it, everything works as expected. |
| 19:11.30 | edibletext | Kzimm, you need to create at least one partition on the new drive |
| 19:11.43 | Quinn_Storm | valdyn_: its a uhci device, not ohci, ohci doesn't even show a root hub |
| 19:12.17 | darxeth | dvs: i barely can use my linux :S |
| 19:12.19 | Kzimm | edibletext: yeah i ll make 2 |
| 19:12.23 | Kzimm | edibletext: 3 :) |
| 19:12.32 | darxeth | dvs: is it gui? |
| 19:12.35 | p88 | greycat: it says "E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8" but I have 2.6.8-2 |
| 19:12.39 | dvs | darxeth: no |
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| 19:12.53 | jordin_ | -es |
| 19:12.58 | greycat | p88: I thought you said you had a custom kernel |
| 19:12.58 | edibletext | Kzimm, ok.. then you mount the partitions and copy yer junk |
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| 19:13.10 | darxeth | dvs: damn :) |
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| 19:13.21 | p88 | greycat: yes but I mean there is no kernel-headers-2.6.8 there is just 2.6.8-2 |
| 19:13.24 | p88 | as package |
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| 19:13.33 | Kzimm | edibletext: yeah nice thanks and last question about source.list you have a good doc about that or an advice for a webserver ? |
| 19:13.42 | puff | Anybody know of a debian package for a jive-filter proxy serveR? |
| 19:13.44 | felipe_ | Is the debian installer comming w/ any default WM??? |
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| 19:14.20 | asg | felipe_: no |
| 19:14.25 | asg | felipe_: why should it? |
| 19:14.26 | edibletext | Kzimm, you need to mkfs the partition also. I use apt-setup and choose a pseudo-random mirror |
| 19:14.27 | greycat | p88: you are quite mistaken, on at *least* two points so far. |
| 19:14.36 | puff | I want to play a joke on my CEO. I was considering booting up knoppix on his laptop and telling him we've significantly reduced our IT overhead, unfortunately his laptop isn't set to boot from CD and I don't want to muck withit. |
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| 19:14.42 | greycat | p88: there is not and CAN NEVER BE a debian kernel-headers package to match your CUSTOM kernel. That's the biggest point. |
| 19:14.46 | felipe_ | asg it shouldnt IMO...But I've read somewhere |
| 19:14.53 | felipe_ | asg Are you positive anyway? |
| 19:15.00 | edibletext | Kzimm, choose a pseudo-random mirror/choose a mirror pseudo-randomly |
| 19:15.07 | asg | felipe_: yes, all of that is optional. |
| 19:15.13 | Kzimm | edibletext: and about source.list for choose package unstable ? test ? stable :/ |
| 19:15.17 | p88 | greycat: doesn't matter right now I am just playing with it so I will do whatever whatever ;) |
| 19:15.20 | Quinn_Storm | so, any thoughts on my usb problem? |
| 19:15.30 | netbrain | anyone here got monitoring mode on their airport? |
| 19:15.32 | asg | felipe_: for things 'based on debian', that my not be true. |
| 19:15.41 | felipe_ | asg Ow thats great!! So I can have a basic linux |
| 19:15.45 | asg | s/my/might/ |
| 19:15.48 | asg | felipe_: yep |
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| 19:16.17 | greycat | p88: either you build a custom kernel using make-kpkg AND ALSO build the kernel_headers package along with the kernel_image package; OR you use debian kernel-image and kernel-headers packages. |
| 19:16.19 | edibletext | Kzimm, that depends on your install method and needs. You can go from stable->testing->unstable but not backwards |
| 19:16.19 | felipe_ | asg I like to install on linux only what I need and want to |
| 19:16.26 | greycat | p88: you must choose. |
| 19:16.34 | asg | felipe_: yep, much less crufty that way. |
| 19:16.43 | p88 | greycat: I guess I have to build the kernel_headers |
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| 19:16.57 | edibletext | Kzimm, personally if its not a production(stable) box I use testing |
| 19:17.10 | Kzimm | edibletext: it's a production server |
| 19:17.11 | felipe_ | asg :-D thx man |
| 19:17.16 | asg | felipe_: you're welcome |
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| 19:17.25 | edibletext | Kzimm, and your using kanotix? |
| 19:17.47 | Kzimm | edibletext: and i need security upgrade i seen the erutiry announce via mail and i want follow that to be secure |
| 19:17.50 | edibletext | /your/you're |
| 19:17.55 | Kzimm | edibletext: nop :/ |
| 19:18.28 | nvz | netbrain: you mean like air-traffic control? |
| 19:18.29 | nvz | heh |
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| 19:18.45 | cbr | (gtk-theme-switch2:2483): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap" |
| 19:18.45 | edibletext | Kzimm, oh .. stable has the security updates, though sarge may be ready any day now |
| 19:18.46 | dvs | netbrain: or weather. |
| 19:18.47 | cbr | why does it say this |
| 19:18.48 | nvz | its essential, keeps planes from crashing into one another |
| 19:18.48 | asg | nvz: ground control to Major Tom? |
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| 19:18.50 | Uflenti | i can not startx... which mode should i select if i have nvidia geforce2 mx440? (downloaded drivers with apt-get, but didn't work.) |
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| 19:18.56 | netbrain | no. i mean like iwpriv eth1 monitor 1 1 |
| 19:19.00 | greycat | Uflenti: use sarge. |
| 19:19.18 | netbrain | hehe |
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| 19:19.37 | Uflenti | i heard that sarge is unstable and for developers only.. |
| 19:19.41 | cbr | i have pixmap gtk engine installed with apt-get but it says that i dont |
| 19:19.42 | Kzimm | edibletext: i used sarge |
| 19:19.42 | cbr | why? |
| 19:19.42 | greycat | no, that's sid. |
| 19:19.50 | asg | Uflenti: sarge will be release as stable soon |
| 19:19.51 | CharlesBrown | I use sarge |
| 19:19.53 | nvz | Uflenti: thats Sid |
| 19:19.56 | CharlesBrown | I don't know shit about developing. |
| 19:19.59 | CharlesBrown | It's easy as could be. |
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| 19:20.13 | CharlesBrown | It's just like stable. |
| 19:20.17 | Kzimm | edibletext: so i need deb ftp://ftp.proxad.net/mirrors/ftp.debian.org/ stable main only ? |
| 19:20.20 | CharlesBrown | I have _never ever_ had a problem. |
| 19:20.21 | Uflenti | and is there something wrong with getting errors when trying to start x? :) |
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| 19:21.25 | edibletext | Kzimm, that will give you stable |
| 19:21.31 | nvz | CharlesBrown: no, stable is two years old, and only contains half as many packages, out dated kernels, and no hardware detection in the installer |
| 19:21.46 | christor | Please is someone can help me about MRTG, i have a graph which don t want to do a beautiful draw |
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| 19:21.51 | edibletext | Kzimm, deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main for updates |
| 19:22.23 | greycat | !woody hardware support |
| 19:22.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), modern technology (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 19:22.31 | Kzimm | edibletext: so those 2 line are good for a securited stable server ? |
| 19:22.41 | green_earz | Uflenti: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 19:22.41 | greycat | "modern technology"? |
| 19:23.10 | dvs | wireless technology |
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| 19:23.13 | greycat | dpkg, woody hardware support =~ s/modern technology/wireless net interfaces/ |
| 19:23.13 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 19:23.53 | edibletext | Kzimm, sure. though if you have sarge running you can fall back to stable and you can get security updates (yet) |
| 19:24.08 | edibletext | can/*cant* |
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| 19:24.20 | darxeth | whats the command that lets me see the path to some download by apt-get install ? |
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| 19:24.32 | asg | darxeth: dpkg -L |
| 19:24.38 | Kzimm | edibletext: thanks a lot for all edib i'll do that and go eat thanks a lot |
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| 19:25.59 | hjg | I have the following wierd problem: I have 2 nics in my debian box in different ip networks. both connected to two different interfaces on one cisco router via switches (might be the same switch). I have a Windows firewall and try to ping the two ips from there. The firewall is in one of the networks with the linux box. Now, if both interfaces are up, only the interface that is in the same network can be pinged. If I down this interface I can |
| 19:26.00 | hjg | ping the other one. What is wrong? |
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| 19:26.30 | amx | wassup? |
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| 19:26.42 | asg | hjg: sounds like your routing tables aren't up to snuff |
| 19:27.00 | hjg | snuff? |
| 19:27.07 | hjg | I guess so |
| 19:27.11 | darxeth | asg: right.. thanks |
| 19:27.16 | asg | hjg: figure of speech. Your routes are wrong most likely. |
| 19:27.21 | amx | new episode of Dr Who tmw |
| 19:28.02 | hjg | The default gw on the windows box has metric 5, for a reason that I have not discovered yet. It is not my machine. |
| 19:28.10 | shadfc | can someone recommend a tool to use to track monthly bandwidth on a server? Id like to know how close I am coming to my monthly cap. This would need to be total bandwidth, not just a single service like :80 |
| 19:28.29 | edibletext | !mrtg |
| 19:28.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mrtg is old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rbawidam/mrtg-rrd/ |
| 19:28.47 | green_earz | amx: get into lexx bittorent them and let go of Dr Who ? go |
| 19:29.06 | amx | green :D |
| 19:29.27 | hjg | asg: can the metric 5 setting be the reason? |
| 19:29.45 | green_earz | amx: do you what a torrent link for lexx ? |
| 19:30.34 | green_earz | amx: it be good for your health |
| 19:30.35 | amx | green_earz: yes pls |
| 19:30.36 | asg | hjg: Not sure. |
| 19:30.51 | green_earz | just wait a min |
| 19:30.55 | amx | sure |
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| 19:31.32 | edibletext | shadfc, http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/ |
| 19:31.37 | FatherHam | Does anyone know of a live cd that has a small RAM footprint, and lets you install things quickly/easily through a package management system? |
| 19:31.45 | asg | hjg: also, check the routes on your debian box to make sure that one interface has a default route and the other has a static route for its subnet. |
| 19:31.55 | green_earz | amx: http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=lexx |
| 19:31.56 | k3k0 | with what commandi can play movie in full screen ? |
| 19:32.05 | asg | k3k0: mplayer, xine, vlc |
| 19:32.13 | amx | green_earz: thanx |
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| 19:32.28 | p88 | what is dh_clean? |
| 19:32.30 | hjg | asg:both have a static route for its subnet and there is one default route |
| 19:32.34 | green_earz | amx: all the best |
| 19:32.39 | amx | :-] |
| 19:32.45 | tob | * |
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| 19:32.57 | asg | hjg: and the debian box has not problems pinging ips on both subnets? |
| 19:33.02 | hjg | asg: I can ping the machines from anywhere else but not from this firewall |
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| 19:33.13 | p88 | make says dh_clean not found |
| 19:33.20 | k-dog | Running kdm. Wanting XDMCP. Running X from another box there's no connection. |
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| 19:33.31 | asg | hjg: does the windows box have correct routes to both networks? |
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| 19:33.48 | green_earz | amx: have got bittornado-gui installed |
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| 19:34.08 | greg_ | Alleria: Hi |
| 19:34.18 | amx | im gonna get it |
| 19:34.23 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 19:34.23 | greg_ | All:Hi |
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| 19:34.46 | hjg | It is in the one network and has a default route to the router that is in the other. |
| 19:35.06 | asg | hmmm |
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| 19:35.14 | amx | green_earz: this link rocks |
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| 19:35.56 | hjg | Strange enough I can ping the nic in the same subnet as the win box from there now, but not the other and from somewhere else it is the other way round. |
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| 19:36.08 | green_earz | amx: have you got bittornado-gui installed and the .avi run ok with toten |
| 19:36.27 | amx | green_earz: i must install it |
| 19:36.32 | asg | hjg: quite odd |
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| 19:36.48 | p88 | what does "fuse 30860 0" mean when outputted by lsmod? |
| 19:37.11 | dvs | p88: It's loaded |
| 19:37.16 | p88 | and the 0? |
| 19:37.18 | green_earz | amx: and check out the tv series 24 on the same site |
| 19:37.26 | asg | p88: not used by anything |
| 19:37.30 | p88 | good :) |
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| 19:38.33 | green_earz | amx: are you running sarge ? |
| 19:38.43 | amx | green_earz: sid |
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| 19:39.14 | amx | puttin sarge on my laptop now |
| 19:39.25 | dvs | amx: And it's working? |
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| 19:39.37 | amx | dvs: gotta wait 5 hrs for first iso :-/ |
| 19:39.53 | dvs | amx: Why so long? |
| 19:40.01 | green_earz | amx: sarge here and liking it more and more the world of open free software thanks bebian |
| 19:40.02 | amx | better than waiting 4 days for new dongle i guess |
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| 19:40.12 | omnistegan | hey guys, I was just wondering what are the absolute nessisary things to be running are in debian, I am trying to free as much memory and cpu as possible, so i need to only run minimum apps and a very small desktop manager, what do you guys suggest? |
| 19:40.20 | dvs | bebian? What's that? |
| 19:40.25 | amx | dvs: i dunno, theres only server now for testing and i got 750k downlink only |
| 19:40.52 | synic | anyone use software suspend in the 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:41.02 | amx | debian is the best distro and stays true to the cause |
| 19:41.10 | amx | others come and go |
| 19:41.10 | kaner | omnistegan: fluxbox as wm, install minimal install |
| 19:41.41 | green_earz | amx: what a best example to the world debian open and free |
| 19:41.47 | amx | yes |
| 19:42.01 | Chameleon22 | anyone knows of a nice app to manage dvd's? like catalog them etc. Preferably NOT web based |
| 19:42.03 | omnistegan | kaner, i'm not going to reinstall debian, I'm just going to kill all my unnessicary processes, what exactly do i need to run? |
| 19:42.16 | asg | Chameleon22: vi ~/mydvdcatalog.txt |
| 19:42.22 | greycat | omnistegan: if you have to ask, you don't need to worry about it. |
| 19:42.30 | greycat | omnistegan: just don't run kde or gnome. or any web browser. |
| 19:42.32 | Chameleon22 | asg: lol |
| 19:42.42 | amx | this will be an experiment to get X running on P166 in 80megs ram |
| 19:42.43 | greycat | omnistegan: if you avoid those, you should be fine on anything made in the last 8 years |
| 19:42.53 | omnistegan | greycat: ok thank I'll try that |
| 19:42.56 | amx | xfce maybe |
| 19:42.56 | greycat | 80 MB? GOOD GOD, that's a lot compared to my first Linux boxes. |
| 19:42.57 | asg | Chameleon22: then you can easily grep for what you need, format output with awk, etc. |
| 19:42.58 | sigma957 | omnistegan: you can run screen/ratpoison, that's as mininal as you can get with X |
| 19:43.14 | Chameleon22 | asg: well could use db then lol |
| 19:43.20 | MobyTurbo | omnistegan: pwm is pretty minimal |
| 19:43.21 | amx | greycat: hehe, well i tried last time in 32MB and that was painful, so should be considerably better, but still |
| 19:43.25 | greycat | sigma957: or he could not use X at all |
| 19:43.25 | amx | i wanna run Gimp |
| 19:43.25 | asg | Chameleon22: sure :) |
| 19:43.32 | Quinn_Storm | I have X running on a box next to me on a p166 in 32 megs ram, though I don't use X on it often, I leave it in console mode & ssh in instead |
| 19:43.36 | greycat | amx: oh. |
| 19:43.48 | Chameleon22 | asg: and than hack a frontend but then again why reinvent the wheel ;) |
| 19:43.48 | amx | maybe Gimp is aiming a bit high eh |
| 19:43.51 | Quinn_Storm | xfce or fluxbox are the answers for a de though |
| 19:43.56 | amx | i would settle for a browser and email tho |
| 19:44.02 | asg | Chameleon22: well, apt-cache search foo (or checkout freshmeat.net) |
| 19:44.05 | greycat | amx: dillo? links? |
| 19:44.13 | amx | yeah dillo |
| 19:44.14 | greycat | amx: mutt of course for e-mail. goes without saying. |
| 19:44.14 | asv_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.22 | Chameleon22 | asg: i am |
| 19:44.22 | amx | :-) mutt! |
| 19:44.55 | amx | ive hashed together my laptop from two, used a busted one for donar machine to replace missing parts |
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| 19:45.15 | amx | an experiment |
| 19:45.34 | asg | Chameleon22: sometimes though, you just find that everybody elses wheels suck and you'd rather create your own done right. |
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| 19:45.37 | green_earz | amx: hava look at > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9973 |
| 19:46.08 | Chameleon22 | asg: i think that time is very near for me lol, been looking for a while |
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| 19:46.22 | asg | Chameleon22: well, good luck in your search. |
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| 19:47.02 | Chameleon22 | asg: ta |
| 19:47.06 | nydust | the webmin with apt-get are 1.8 how do i update t to 1.9? |
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| 19:47.23 | darxeth | in the file browser i pressed Properties on some folder and then went to Sharing tab and i choolsed the advanced sharing and tagged the Samba and NFS sharing facility, and after then i saw a cable-like icon on the folder but when i went to the My Network Places on the other computer where windows resides, i still couldnt find my computer there as shared one..? |
| 19:47.48 | asg | !info webmin sid |
| 19:48.04 | dpkg | webmin: (web-based administration toolkit), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.180-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1071 kB, Installed size: 5908 kB |
| 19:48.17 | hjg | asg: Do you think it can be a problem with the nics?? |
| 19:48.32 | amx | green_earz: good read :) |
| 19:48.35 | hjg | 2 e1000 onboard |
| 19:48.59 | Chameleon22 | Slashdot: "Microsoft has decided to release a version of MSSQL2005 for Linux, Unix and XBox." |
| 19:49.00 | Chameleon22 | WOW |
| 19:49.01 | asg | hjg: I don't expect so. |
| 19:49.09 | asg | Chameleon22: April Fool's Joke |
| 19:49.17 | Chameleon22 | oh |
| 19:49.21 | Chameleon22 | :p |
| 19:49.25 | dvs | !pal Chameleon22 |
| 19:49.25 | green_earz | amx: desktops for for low end machines |
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| 19:49.47 | nydust | is perl located in /ust/bin/perl? |
| 19:49.56 | greycat | !slashdot |
| 19:49.59 | asg | nydust: 'which perl' |
| 19:50.01 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (9 of 10): Mega Mags, Life Sized Magnetic Toys ;; Microsoft Porting SQL Server To New Platforms ;; Google Moves Into Drink Market ;; First PC Virus Spreads to Humans ;; Tiger Woods Signs Deal To Be Apple Spokeperson ;; Platform-Independent Real-Time Speech Technology ;; iCopulate Romances iPods, Executive Pong ;; Gmail's Birthday Presents ;; Scientific American Gives Up. |
| 19:50.16 | nydust | asg, the perl that webmin needs |
| 19:50.19 | asg | they are all april fools jokes |
| 19:50.26 | dvs | nydust: That's the command to run |
| 19:50.33 | asg | nydust: which version of debian are you using? |
| 19:50.38 | nydust | sarge |
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| 19:51.02 | nydust | how can i check? i think its sarge |
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| 19:51.24 | dvs | nydust: "which perl" and yes, run this on the command line |
| 19:51.28 | Kzimm | edibletext: sorry but i can't manage to make exact same size for 1 partition i need make a 1K-blocks:60185 |
| 19:51.38 | nydust | dvs, perl 5 |
| 19:51.41 | markybob | asg, the gmail presents isnt a joke. |
| 19:51.58 | synic | can someone point me to a good doc explaining how to get tls+sendmail working on sarge? |
| 19:52.03 | asg | markybob: besides the fact that gmail in general is, no. |
| 19:52.13 | asg | synic: buy the bat book |
| 19:52.14 | markybob | asg hilarious. my side hurts. |
| 19:52.21 | nydust | how do i find out whitch release i use o debian |
| 19:52.24 | green_earz | nydust: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:52.36 | dvs | nydust: dpkg -l perl |
| 19:52.45 | asg | nydust: egrep -i [sarge|testing] /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:52.47 | synic | asg: does that explain how to do it in debian? |
| 19:52.52 | synic | or from source, etc... |
| 19:52.55 | green_earz | nydust: sarge 3.1 |
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| 19:53.16 | nydust | oki i have 3.1 |
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| 19:53.40 | asg | synic: it explains how to do it I imagine. Debian probably doesn't have anything to do with it. |
| 19:53.43 | biggi_mat | ok i will gone crazy now....i don't know what to do |
| 19:53.43 | nydust | thanks |
| 19:53.55 | biggi_mat | this kernel...i recompiled it and now i can't boot the shit |
| 19:54.03 | biggi_mat | i got kernel panic |
| 19:54.04 | synic | asg: well, I'd rather use debian packages than compile it from source, etc |
| 19:54.07 | dvs | biggi_mat: And you removed the old one? |
| 19:54.07 | biggi_mat | can load root |
| 19:54.18 | biggi_mat | dvs removed what old? |
| 19:54.27 | dvs | biggi_mat: the old kernel |
| 19:54.38 | asg | synic: unless you have a compelling reason to use sendmail, then exim, postfix are safer and easier to get going. |
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| 19:54.48 | biggi_mat | dvs which one? the one that was there when i installed the system ? |
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| 19:55.03 | biggi_mat | that one is under the name of LinuxOLD in bootloader |
| 19:55.12 | a_L_e_X | k |
| 19:55.27 | a_L_e_X | !kick eNd |
| 19:55.39 | synic | asg: the compelling reason to use sendmail is that I'm transferring all of our users mail from a server currently running sendmail. If I can install postfix, and have it still read/write to their mail files in /var/spool/mail, then I will consider it |
| 19:55.39 | Kzimm | anyone know how can i make a parition with fdisk of the same size i see via a df |
| 19:55.42 | dvs | biggi_mat: Good, at least you can boot it up. |
| 19:55.44 | green_earz | biggi_mat: did you use --initrd with the kernel compile and all use make oldconf |
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| 19:56.07 | a_L_e_X | kick this bytch |
| 19:56.09 | asg | synic: all MTAs are easily configured to deliver mail to various transparent and opaque user spools. |
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| 19:56.22 | a_L_e_X | pr0n-adversitement |
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| 19:56.33 | redduck666 | i just joined #debian and i got msged by eNd saying if i want free pr0n |
| 19:56.35 | synic | asg: so - in short, it will read their spool files without problem? |
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| 19:56.44 | wwallace | i have a cd rom im trying to browse it from the dvd rw i have when i click on the icon on the kde desktop i get an error |
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| 19:56.45 | MobyTurbo | !ops eNd is apparently a pr0n bot |
| 19:56.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: eNd is apparently a pr0n bot |
| 19:56.50 | greycat | Whoever wants an exception, let us know. |
| 19:56.52 | MobyTurbo | oops, sorry. |
| 19:56.56 | helix | great |
| 19:57.03 | asg | synic: well, sendmail doesn't read mail. They use pop/imap/ or shell + mua for that. |
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| 19:57.06 | wwallace | /mnt/cdrom doesn't exist |
| 19:57.11 | wwallace | how do i fix that? |
| 19:57.13 | a_L_e_X | yeah |
| 19:57.17 | a_L_e_X | bytch is away |
| 19:57.18 | synic | asg: ok, write to the spool files... |
| 19:57.20 | Kzimm | anyone know how can i make a parition with fdisk of the same size i see via a df please |
| 19:57.30 | redduck666 | vindoze has a site, blackviper, it is about improving your computers performace to get better gaming. i'm not a gaming whore (haven't played a decent game for quite a while now), but i would like to improve my computers performance, so is there any site of that kind for linux? |
| 19:57.40 | biggi_mat | green_earz i was working with the tutorial... http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php <--this one |
| 19:57.42 | asg | synic: yes, postfix, exim can easily deliver to mbox formatted spools. |
| 19:57.48 | synic | ok, cool. |
| 19:57.50 | asg | synic: or maildir spools, whichever you use. |
| 19:57.53 | biggi_mat | there is no make-dpkg --initrd |
| 19:57.54 | synic | I'll give 'em a try. |
| 19:58.02 | synic | asg: thanks |
| 19:58.03 | valdyn_ | !ricer |
| 19:58.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, ricer is at gentoo |
| 19:58.05 | biggi_mat | i got that advice before but i'm not sure at what point to use it... |
| 19:58.07 | asg | synic: you're welcome |
| 19:58.09 | asg | !pubtime |
| 19:58.09 | dpkg | from memory, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 19:58.26 | MobyTurbo | biggi_mat: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 19:58.35 | markybob | biggi_mat, it's make-kpkg --initrd |
| 19:58.40 | MobyTurbo | biggi_mat: that will teach you how to make a kernel the Debian way |
| 19:58.42 | green_earz | biggi_mat: have a read up on --initrd and you find its the thing you need to make life easyer |
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| 19:58.54 | markybob | biggi_mat, not make-dpkg, but make-kpkg |
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| 19:59.08 | biggi_mat | markybob yes, my mistake |
| 19:59.14 | markybob | biggi_mat, and dont forget 'kernel_image' at the end |
| 19:59.15 | green_earz | np |
| 19:59.19 | biggi_mat | did it |
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| 20:02.36 | kROD | did u hear that paris hilton is going to sell linux?? |
| 20:02.41 | grin | so is there a problem with debian.org dns or I'm just on the weird end of the pipe? |
| 20:02.47 | dvs | kROD: It's over. Give it up |
| 20:02.48 | valdyn_ | kROD: did you believe it? |
| 20:03.01 | kROD | ?? when is she going to start |
| 20:03.37 | grin | anyone could tell the ip of any debian NS please? stupid org registry provides name only |
| 20:03.55 | greycat | grin: huh? |
| 20:04.06 | grin | greycat: which part is 'huh'? |
| 20:04.09 | Solet | grin: whats the name of one? |
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| 20:04.12 | greycat | you want to know the NS records of the debian.org domain? why? |
| 20:04.13 | Solet | i'll find it |
| 20:04.16 | grin | Solet: SAENS.DEBIAN.ORG |
| 20:04.25 | greycat | debian.org. 59m56s IN NS saens.debian.org. |
| 20:04.28 | greycat | there. does that help? |
| 20:04.32 | grin | greycat: debian.org does not resolve for me. |
| 20:04.40 | grin | greycat: IP. please. read. |
| 20:04.42 | greycat | grin: yes it does. you just did it. |
| 20:04.44 | Solet | 128.101.80.133 |
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| 20:04.49 | grin | greycat: what? |
| 20:04.55 | grin | Solet: thank you :) |
| 20:05.01 | greycat | 15:04 grin> Solet: SAENS.DEBIAN.ORG |
| 20:05.02 | anhi | dnsstuff.com for all you dns problems |
| 20:05.08 | greycat | grin: that's one of the four NS records. |
| 20:05.13 | greycat | grin: so it resolved just fine. |
| 20:05.13 | grin | greycat: do you see any IP on that line? |
| 20:05.14 | vs_zach | i am having apt problems |
| 20:05.24 | greycat | grin: you're NOT SUPPOSED TO SEE A FUCKING IP ADDRESS ON AN NS RECORD. |
| 20:05.26 | grin | greycat: oh pleae. |
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| 20:05.29 | Solet | if you use mirc just /dns sub.domain.whatever |
| 20:05.29 | greycat | NS records point to domain names. |
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| 20:05.35 | bobesponja | if I make my /dev/hda5 bootable will that wipe out all the data on it? |
| 20:05.37 | grin | greycat: okay, look, and think. |
| 20:05.42 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:05.50 | greycat | both of 'em. |
| 20:05.50 | Solet | rofl @ plonk |
| 20:05.54 | green_earz | grin: the problem would be on your isp dns |
| 20:05.58 | vs_zach | when i run apt-get install k3b it tells me i have unmet dependency problems |
| 20:05.59 | grin | greycat: how do you resolve XY.DEBIAN.oRG when every ns is UNDER debian.org? |
| 20:06.04 | vs_zach | can someone help me? |
| 20:06.12 | dvs | grin: He can't hear you |
| 20:06.19 | grin | green_earz: it turned out but still grey can't get it |
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| 20:06.28 | greycat | no wait, Solet was innocent. |
| 20:06.30 | bobesponja | if I make my /dev/hda5 bootable (with cfdisk) will that wipe out all the data on it? |
| 20:06.31 | grin | dvs: happens. |
| 20:06.33 | greycat | un*plonk* solet |
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| 20:06.47 | markybob_away | grin here's some advice...dont insult greycat |
| 20:06.48 | grin | dvs: or doesn't think :) |
| 20:07.06 | grin | markybob: reason? he tells stupid things. |
| 20:07.21 | markybob | grin he's one of the best techs in here. you have no idea what you're saying |
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| 20:07.31 | grin | markybob: I don't want to insult him but what he said is not, um, good. |
| 20:07.40 | grin | markybob: wanna bet? |
| 20:07.55 | bobesponja | anyone ? :) |
| 20:07.56 | green_earz | grin: i see ok |
| 20:07.59 | Solet | lol greycat is soo leet he nolonger understands questions in plain english :P |
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| 20:08.53 | wwallace | im unable to browse my cd or dvd rom |
| 20:09.08 | wwallace | when i double click on it i get something like |
| 20:09.12 | wwallace | Unable to run the command specified. The file or folder file:/mnt/cdrom does not exis |
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| 20:09.28 | wwallace | k3b tell me my dvd and cd roms are |
| 20:09.32 | wwallace | hdb and hdc |
| 20:09.39 | valdyn_ | wwallace: mkdir /mnt/cdrom |
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| 20:09.48 | grin | Solet: not really a problem usually, but doesn't really help if someone asks for info and gets a cmpletely unrelated, erm, advice |
| 20:09.51 | wwallace | is there only with a lock on it |
| 20:10.02 | dondelelcaro | grin: you asked for the NS record, and greycat gave it to you. |
| 20:10.11 | tictac_ | how can i tell apt to install a package even though a package it depends on is not installable |
| 20:10.12 | grin | dondelelcaro: I asked for an IP of an NS |
| 20:10.17 | green_earz | wwallace: have a look at /etc/fstab for your mount points |
| 20:10.19 | wwallace | mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/cdrom': File exists |
| 20:10.19 | dondelelcaro | grin: it's not greycat's fault that you didn't know what you were actually asking for. |
| 20:10.28 | dondelelcaro | grin: then resolve saens.debian.org |
| 20:10.30 | grin | dondelelcaro: since I cannot resolve them because they're all under DEBIAN.ORG |
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| 20:10.36 | Solet | grin: i'm still so linux stupid i dont understand the answers half the time and i take the answer and go to somewhere else to get help executing what i've just been told to do.... |
| 20:10.40 | tictac_ | such as.. msmtp: Depends: libgsasl1 but it is not installable However the following packages replace it: libgsasl7 |
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| 20:10.48 | grin | dondelelcaro: I - can - not - resolve - debian - org. |
| 20:10.57 | wwallace | root@MP3J:/home/wwallace# /etc/fstab |
| 20:10.57 | wwallace | bash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied |
| 20:10.57 | wwallace | root@MP3J:/home/wwallace# |
| 20:11.00 | grin | dondelelcaro: thus I cannot resolve anything below it. |
| 20:11.03 | nydust | where are the mysql lib's? |
| 20:11.11 | grin | dondelelcaro: so I cannot find any ip registered under it. see? |
| 20:11.14 | Bonkers | how do I tell a network interface to not update /etc/resolv.conf on renewing the DHCP lease? I didn't see any options in "man interfaces" for passing options to dhclicent |
| 20:11.14 | dondelelcaro | grin: then fix your nameserver. |
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| 20:11.25 | MobyTurbo | wwallace: you don't execute fstab, you view it. |
| 20:11.27 | grin | dondelelcaro: what do you think I asked the IP's for? |
| 20:11.40 | green_earz | wwallace: cat /etc/fstab |
| 20:11.54 | elarifr | hello all. can sombedy help m eto make working proftpd |
| 20:11.54 | dondelelcaro | grin: you don't need the IPs of the nameserver for that, as those will be resolved by the root servers for you. |
| 20:11.58 | valdyn_ | Bonkers: updating resolv.conf is done by the package "resolvconf" |
| 20:12.20 | grin | dondelelcaro: it happens to be easier to ask for it than look up a root IP |
| 20:12.22 | Bonkers | valdyn_: and also by dhclient on ever renew without the correct options |
| 20:12.23 | markybob | grin i resolve it just fine. explain your problem better. |
| 20:12.32 | grin | Solet: I am sure, but I needed the IP to check |
| 20:12.47 | Liquid_Tension | hey guys, got a fresh sarge install goin, got xserver kde and gnome installed, however every time I try to start X it gives me a "No devices found" error. Got an AGP Nvidia geforce4 6600 |
| 20:12.49 | markybob | grin you need what? the ip to debian.org? |
| 20:12.51 | Liquid_Tension | any advice? |
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| 20:13.02 | Solet | grin: try rebooting your modem it helps when i have problems *shrug* |
| 20:13.03 | wwallace | green_earz: i got some info there |
| 20:13.15 | grin | markybob: my problem was that I asked for an IP and got an asnwer which basically called me stupid :-) apart from that every other problem gonna be resolved by my humble self |
| 20:13.24 | tictac_ | Liquid_Tension: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 choose nv driver |
| 20:13.29 | wwallace | /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,users,noexec,noauto 0 0 |
| 20:13.29 | wwallace | /dev/cdrom1 /cdrom1 iso9660 defaults,ro,users,noexec,noauto 0 0 |
| 20:13.29 | wwallace | /dev/dvd /dvd iso9660 defaults,ro,users,noexec,noauto 0 0 |
| 20:13.31 | grin | Solet: I don't reboot 100mbps leased lines :) |
| 20:13.36 | Liquid_Tension | tictac_: yeah, it's already the one |
| 20:13.51 | dvs | wwallace: DVD's are iso9660 |
| 20:13.57 | Liquid_Tension | tictac_: if you're referring to when it asks...I've been aroudn the linux install block a few times, but this is the first time using this card |
| 20:14.06 | green_earz | wwallace: so have a bit of time on the info in fstab and you will see where your monut points are |
| 20:14.07 | Solet | well that makes it rather dificult to refresh your dns doesnt it... |
| 20:14.10 | markybob | grin what are you trying? dig debian.org? |
| 20:14.11 | grin | Solet: ns is screwed somehow, that's my problem, with the IP you provided I am about to check it, thanks for the answer without reasoning :) |
| 20:14.15 | Liquid_Tension | tictac_: I'll give it a try anyway though |
| 20:14.37 | grin | markybob: first check connactivity to any debian.org ns, then dig, then check my ns what it does on queries |
| 20:15.12 | grin | markybob: since first 2 is OK (thans solet) I go for step 3 |
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| 20:15.47 | nydust | where are the mysql database dir ? |
| 20:15.57 | nydust | used apt-get install mysql-server |
| 20:15.58 | markybob | nydust, /var/lib/mysql |
| 20:16.06 | nydust | thanks |
| 20:16.25 | wwallace | ok so after i know what my mounyt points are how do i change them in the icons on the desktop? |
| 20:16.44 | markybob | ? |
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| 20:17.04 | markybob | Solet, yes |
| 20:17.07 | greg_ | wwalace: right click, you'll find |
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| 20:17.11 | markybob | Solet, i settled for the t-shirt |
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| 20:17.25 | Solet | hehe.... nice |
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| 20:18.08 | greg_ | wwallace: right click => properties |
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| 20:18.58 | wwallace | ok i see the url i just change it to dev/cdrom |
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| 20:19.19 | markybob | /dev/cdrom |
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| 20:19.32 | Solet | oh... this wont be an issue for a while... but... does the x server support dual monitor display? |
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| 20:19.48 | Liquid_Tension | tictac_: yeah, nothing |
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| 20:20.08 | markybob | Solet, yes |
| 20:20.17 | Solet | is it dificult? |
| 20:20.22 | markybob | Solet, no |
| 20:21.01 | Liquid_Tension | tictac_: I'm more concerned it has to do with agp related problems, any special options, kernel modules, etc. I'll need to know about (first time with an agp card) |
| 20:21.20 | Solet | ok... and when i say dual-monitor, it is understood that i want 2 different screens.. like a left side and right side... not a replication of the same thing on both monitors. right? |
| 20:21.36 | markybob | Solet, it's understood that it does whatever it is you want it to do |
| 20:21.40 | valdyn_ | Solet: you can do anything |
| 20:21.52 | Solet | valdyn_: incorrect... |
| 20:21.58 | Solet | anything can be done... |
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| 20:22.06 | Solet | or: one can do anything |
| 20:22.12 | valdyn_ | Solet: one big screen ( spanning 2 monitors ), a clone, 2 independent screens |
| 20:22.13 | synic | can anyone help me set up smtp auth on exim4 ? |
| 20:22.21 | synic | or have a doc that explains how? |
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| 20:22.34 | synic | I want to allow any user that has their user and password to relay |
| 20:22.47 | Solet | my linux abilities are far from... ummm... usefull (?) |
| 20:22.53 | synic | thanks |
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| 20:23.01 | grogoreo | hi |
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| 20:23.14 | green_earz | synic: have a look at using postfix as your mta |
| 20:23.21 | synic | alright. |
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| 20:23.41 | bobesponja | why do I get "ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable" when I try to install lilo on the mbr with liloconfig? |
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| 20:23.47 | sandman | hi folks |
| 20:23.48 | grin | Solet: the upstream of an upstream dns was fucked, and pushed servfails down the chain :-/ |
| 20:23.53 | wwallace | no good i couldnt |
| 20:23.56 | grin | Solet: thanks again for help. |
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| 20:24.04 | wwallace | im unable to browse the cd |
| 20:24.04 | Solet | np |
| 20:24.22 | grogoreo | I'm trying to enable DMA on my DVD Drive but it says HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 20:24.31 | omnistegan | hey guys, what is the linux app that can resize partitions? |
| 20:24.33 | greg_ | wwallace: try in a console: mount /mnt/cdrom |
| 20:24.34 | greycat | grogoreo: load your motherboard chipset driver module |
| 20:24.43 | k-dog | omnistegan: parted, qtparted |
| 20:24.43 | grin | omnistegan: parted |
| 20:24.48 | green_earz | synic: http://www.linux.org/lessons/interm/x1873.html |
| 20:24.52 | Liquid_Tension | Is there any special process I have to go through to use an agp card? |
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| 20:24.54 | greycat | grogoreo: and if it's a 2.4.x kernel with ide-scsi for the burner, Don't Even Bother Trying. |
| 20:24.55 | omnistegan | thanks guys |
| 20:25.02 | greg_ | wwallace: That's work ? |
| 20:25.03 | dvs | Liquid_Tension: no |
| 20:25.24 | Liquid_Tension | dvs: so if I had the exact same card but pci the configs should be exactly the same? |
| 20:25.28 | grogoreo | greycat, I'm using 2.6.10 ( I think, I know its 2.6). I've got a VIA motheboard (sadly |
| 20:25.42 | greg_ | wwallace: if that's work, (with the user you are) the problem come from the properties of your icone |
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| 20:26.04 | dvs | Liquid_Tension: Should be. As long as you didn't put in a BusID in your XF86Config-4 file |
| 20:26.09 | wwallace | ok lemme cgange the properties |
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| 20:26.22 | wwallace | in cat /etc/fstab i get.......... |
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| 20:26.28 | Liquid_Tension | dvs: nah, now that I think about it though, I may need to make sure the chipset drivers are in my kernel right? |
| 20:26.35 | grin | grogoreo: I'm using via on 2.6.10 with dma for burning but not scsi but atapi driver |
| 20:26.35 | wwallace | /dev/dvd /dvd iso9660 |
| 20:26.44 | grogoreo | greycat, when you say motherboard chipset driver module, would that entale do a re-compile of my kernel? |
| 20:26.48 | wwallace | so i guest the url for this dvd rom is............. |
| 20:26.52 | dvs | Liquid_Tension: Yes, the chipset driver of your motherboard. |
| 20:26.56 | grin | grogoreo: but dma setting may need you to have the via code in kernel |
| 20:26.56 | grogoreo | greycat, my DVD drive is ATAPI |
| 20:26.57 | greycat | grogoreo: you built a CUSTOM kernel? you're on your own. |
| 20:27.18 | grogoreo | greycat, no i have a generic kernel |
| 20:27.24 | wwallace | hello |
| 20:27.25 | Liquid_Tension | dvs: alright, I'll give that a spin...thanks a bunch |
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| 20:27.33 | dvs | Liquid_Tension: good luck |
| 20:27.34 | wwallace | ........./dvd? |
| 20:27.35 | chrysopa | How to send a broadcast message to all user? Send to X, They dont use console. |
| 20:27.35 | greycat | grogoreo: uname -r |
| 20:27.36 | smirt | if you read this you are gay |
| 20:27.38 | greg_ | wwallace: Yes |
| 20:27.40 | MobyTurbo | !tell grogoreo about kernel of instability |
| 20:27.43 | greycat | !tell smirt about gay |
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| 20:27.56 | greg_ | wwallace: try in a console mount /dvd |
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| 20:27.59 | wwallace | so thats what i write in properties url /dvd? |
| 20:28.02 | green_earz | wwallace: ls -l /dev/dvd to if its a link |
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| 20:28.13 | lewis | hey there - any potential problems from removing exim, and having no MTA on a box? (I don't use it for mail at all) |
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| 20:28.24 | greycat | lewis: yeah, cron can't send you its errors. |
| 20:28.26 | valdyn_ | lewis: yes |
| 20:28.28 | grogoreo | greycat, 2.6.10-5-386 |
| 20:28.30 | dvs | lewis: You should have an MTA on your box |
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| 20:28.45 | wwallace | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Apr 1 14:43 /dev/dvd -> /dev/hdc |
| 20:28.59 | lewis | good point |
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| 20:29.09 | greycat | grogoreo: ok... look through the modules under /lib/modules/$(uname -r) and see if you can find one that looks like it might be related to the IDE chipset on a VIA motherboard (check lspci also), and try modprobe'ing it. |
| 20:29.30 | greycat | I have no idea what the 2.6.10-* driver names are. I don't run 2.6. |
| 20:29.45 | k-dog | What's the ncurses console network traffic analyzer/sniffer? tethereal? |
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| 20:30.03 | Liquid_Tension | k-dog: I believe you may be reffering to ettercap |
| 20:30.07 | chrysopa | I know that wall send a message to console, but how to send message to X? |
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| 20:30.18 | green_earz | wwallace: mount /dev/hdc /dvd |
| 20:30.25 | Liquid_Tension | k-dog: I could also be dead wrong ;) |
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| 20:30.48 | helix | how is 'ethereal' pronounced anyway? I always want to pronounce it like the word ethereal, but then people say 'ether-eel' |
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| 20:30.57 | k-dog | Liquid_Tension: don't be dead. |
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| 20:31.04 | helix | maybe I should check the website |
| 20:31.11 | k-dog | helix: I pronounce it "margaret", myself. |
| 20:31.25 | helix | you are unfunny |
| 20:31.34 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: |
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| 20:31.48 | Solet | lol @ margaret |
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| 20:31.54 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: lspci | grep -i "interface\|raid" |
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| 20:32.21 | greycat | valdyn_: egrep |
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| 20:32.31 | purestorm | Hi. When pluggin in a mass storage enabled USB camera - why does udev create node /dev/sda1 and then remove it right after that? |
| 20:32.34 | scarynetworkguy | helix: helix I say it like this http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ethereal&x=0&y=0 but then again I also think it is one of the 3 sources of truth in the Universe. |
| 20:32.55 | grogoreo | valdyn_, Via stuff comes up. What am I looking for? |
| 20:33.16 | helix | scarynetworkguy: what are the other two? |
| 20:33.17 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: paste it, should be only 1 line |
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| 20:33.24 | Solet | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ethereal |
| 20:33.33 | helix | I know how to pronounce the word ethereal, people |
| 20:33.33 | alfatau | hi, can you help me to understand which is the main difference beetween public/private keys couple and a preshared key? what kind of authentications represents a preshared key? I looked about it using my new WI-FI access point, and i tried to look about it on google, but i wasn't able to understand the difference, and mainly, what's a preshared key. thank you |
| 20:33.38 | scarynetworkguy | helix: tcpdump and nmap. :) |
| 20:33.41 | wwallace | green_earz: it mounted right |
| 20:33.46 | helix | my point is that many people pronounce the software's name differently |
| 20:33.57 | OrangeRoot1000 | purestorm: udev was started to enable more individual addressing of major/minor items on the bus and supercedes old /dev system |
| 20:33.58 | helix | ether-eel vs. eth-eerie-ul |
| 20:34.05 | helix | useless people |
| 20:34.07 | greg_ | wwallace: now you can change icon properties |
| 20:34.24 | wwallace | ok idid it opens now |
| 20:34.33 | wwallace | now lemmetry the other one |
| 20:34.36 | wwallace | the cd rom |
| 20:34.40 | Solet | really isnt it eethuree-all |
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| 20:35.28 | MobyTurbo | OrangeRoot1000: udev and devfs are evil |
| 20:35.30 | scarynetworkguy | Solet: i-'thir-E-&l |
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| 20:35.56 | OrangeRoot1000 | MobyTurbo: lol, ya but i need my stuff to work so just as long as it does |
| 20:35.58 | greycat | devfs is evil. udev is "quite naughty" |
| 20:35.59 | OrangeRoot1000 | :) |
| 20:35.59 | Solet | ok so yes i was right... i think... |
| 20:36.02 | wwallace | do i have to mount everytime i wanna use them? is there a way all my hd's and the cd roms and dvd rw's can be mounted automatically at boot |
| 20:36.11 | purestorm | OrangeRoot1000: After upgrading to 2.6 from 2.4, the camera does not work any more. |
| 20:36.21 | drini | yes wallac, putting them in /etc/fstab |
| 20:36.21 | purestorm | I have the /dev/sda device but not /dev/sda1 :( |
| 20:36.29 | drini | with auomount or supermoutn |
| 20:36.30 | purestorm | Maybe it is connected to the hald? |
| 20:36.35 | scarynetworkguy | helix: But yeah in my dept at work I'm the only one who says it that way. My mate and my boss both say it the other way. I treat it kind of like the "My name is Ray and I prounouce Linux "bob"." thing. |
| 20:36.40 | greg_ | wwallace: You have to mount and remount your dvd when you change the disk |
| 20:37.06 | purestorm | How do I fix my problem? |
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| 20:37.13 | greycat | !worked in 2.4 |
| 20:37.13 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 20:37.21 | Solet | purestorm: psychologist? |
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| 20:37.23 | OrangeRoot1000 | purestorm: r u using gtkam or gphoto2 |
| 20:37.24 | dvs | purestorm: Is the usb_storage module loaded |
| 20:37.25 | helix | this is why I vow to never speak about computers in public anymore |
| 20:37.39 | wwallace | ok very nice brb have to go eat some thank you for your help they both working now |
| 20:37.41 | greycat | OrangeRoot1000: r u an idiot? |
| 20:37.48 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: modprobe via_sata and modprobe via82xxx ( or similar, I'm looking up spelling atm ) |
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| 20:37.52 | zaikxtox | hello. i run dpkg --reconfigure xfree86-xserver but it does not writes a new XF86Config-4 file |
| 20:37.53 | MobyTurbo | !r |
| 20:37.53 | dpkg | hmm... r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 20:37.55 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 20:37.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:38.04 | MobyTurbo | greycat: ;-) |
| 20:38.09 | markybob | zaikxtox, that's because you edited the file by hand at some point |
| 20:38.10 | dvs | !xmd5 zaikxtox |
| 20:38.13 | greg_ | zaikxtox: dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:38.14 | dvs | !xmd5 |
| 20:38.14 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 20:38.18 | greycat | Zilch: 1) it's dpkg-reconfigure 2) if you edited XF86Config-4 yourself, debconf won't touch it |
| 20:38.35 | OrangeRoot1000 | greycat: why the insults? |
| 20:38.39 | zaikxtox | thanks |
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| 20:39.14 | purestorm | dvs: it is loaded automatically by udev or hotplug it seems. |
| 20:39.34 | purestorm | OrangeRoot1000: I'm trying to mount it via usb mass storage. My camera is not supported by gphoto. |
| 20:39.37 | dvs | purestorm: You're using udev? |
| 20:39.51 | zaikxtox | yes. did work. |
| 20:39.53 | zaikxtox | thanks! |
| 20:39.53 | purestorm | Uhm, it was enabled automatically :( |
| 20:39.58 | grogoreo | valdyn_, hmmm neither of those work (i understand I had to change the x's) |
| 20:40.18 | purestorm | hotplug seems to useit. |
| 20:40.20 | Guest123549 | Hello, i have a "P4P800-E DELUXE" and i want to use "PROMISE RAID ONBOARD" with debian linux. In the FastBuild Utilities in the MB BIOS, i did what i need to do and i want to use it. First Question: How i need set up Partition in the Debian Install? I see two devices SCSI (my HD's are SATA). I should see "ARRAY 1" or something like that, right? If i see two DEVICES, i need partition and format both? just the first ? |
| 20:40.47 | purestorm | dvs: Should I disable it somehow? If yes, how? |
| 20:40.49 | greycat | purestorm: no, gnome uses hal which uses udev. |
| 20:40.53 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: "dont work" is useless for me, error message? |
| 20:41.02 | OrangeRoot1000 | purestorm: i have not had to do usb storage, mine is a supported camera that is in gtkam. |
| 20:41.04 | greycat | if you installed "gnome" (the package), you got the "gift" of udev. |
| 20:41.09 | dvs | purestorm: No, it should list /dev/sda1 once it's successful |
| 20:41.16 | grogoreo | valdyn_, sorry, they say module not found |
| 20:41.17 | tarzeau | it's weekend! |
| 20:41.36 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: yea, my misspelling, its via82cxxx |
| 20:41.46 | dvs | Guest123549: Do you know the exact version of the Promise controller? |
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| 20:41.53 | purestorm | dvs: It says "creating /dev/sda1" and then "removing /dev/sda1" |
| 20:41.54 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: yep, and Sunday has started early. ;-) |
| 20:41.56 | Solet | there's a typo in the comic strip the bot posted a minute ago in response to the !u command |
| 20:42.00 | purestorm | the camera is useable in windows without problems |
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| 20:42.27 | Solet | purestorm: lies! nothing is usable in window$ with out problems |
| 20:42.27 | Roey | valdyn_: via82cxxx smells like an MSI athlon64 board with a via chipste. |
| 20:42.29 | Roey | *chipset |
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| 20:42.35 | Roey | valdyn_: is this what you have? |
| 20:42.49 | valdyn_ | Roey: yea, but im not having any issues with it |
| 20:42.51 | Roey | valdyn_: I have an MSI K8T Neo FIS2R athlon64 3200+ |
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| 20:42.54 | Roey | valdyn_: oh man |
| 20:42.59 | Roey | valdyn_: can you get sound from it? |
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| 20:43.05 | Roey | valdyn_: full-duplex sound at that? |
| 20:43.10 | purestorm | Solet: OK. But how do I fix my problem on windows :/ |
| 20:43.17 | valdyn_ | Roey: yes |
| 20:43.27 | Roey | valdyn_: I only get sounds from either the left or the right speakers. |
| 20:43.38 | Solet | purestorm: best way to fix problems with micro$oft anything.... stop using it :P |
| 20:43.47 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: that helped? |
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| 20:43.59 | Guest123549 | dvs: Just one sec, i'll see |
| 20:43.59 | markl__ | can a shell expert tell me why this doesn't work as expected: /bin/sh -c "FOO=bar echo $FOO" |
| 20:44.05 | Solet | (btw i'm tired goofy and full of shit) |
| 20:44.11 | valdyn_ | Roey: im actually not sure if i ever tried full duplex, but both speakers work and anything i used works |
| 20:44.11 | dvs | Guest123549: lspci | grep RAID |
| 20:44.21 | markl__ | neither does /bin/bash -c "export FOO=bar; echo $FOO" |
| 20:44.22 | Solet | anyway i gotta head off to shower... then work... (yay...) |
| 20:44.22 | grogoreo | valdyn_, sorry still not found. I'm looking in Device Manager and there doesnt seem to be anything. I can see VT8237, VT82C586A and have tried these but with now luck |
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| 20:44.26 | purestorm | Solet: should read *Linux instead of windows |
| 20:44.28 | fooz | markl__, \$FOO |
| 20:44.33 | Guest123549 | dvs: PDC20378 |
| 20:44.35 | fooz | markl__, your parent shell is interpreting $FOO |
| 20:44.35 | markl__ | fooz: ah!! |
| 20:44.38 | Roey | valdyn_: full duplex meaning.. try an app that uses alsa at the same time as an app that uses arts or esd |
| 20:44.49 | Solet | oh |
| 20:44.53 | markl__ | fooz: thanks |
| 20:44.55 | dvs | Guest123549: Yeah, you need to get the FastTrak code and compile it yourself |
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| 20:45.00 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: "modprobe via82cxxx" <- did you try that? that module IS in debian 2.6.10 kernsl |
| 20:45.09 | Solet | in that case i'd say something is wrong and needs be made right... beyond that i have no idea :P |
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| 20:45.37 | valdyn_ | Roey: thats not full duplex, but that works fine for me, yes, up to the 4 hardware channels available afaik |
| 20:45.46 | Roey | hmm. |
| 20:45.54 | Roey | valdyn_: maybe I should try with computer speakers specifically |
| 20:46.03 | Roey | valdyn_: and not my receiver |
| 20:46.12 | Roey | valdyn_: (which I have to split into two inputs anwyay, left and right) |
| 20:46.14 | Guest123549 | dvs: you mean, FastTrak is a package? |
| 20:46.18 | Roey | valdyn_: (with a y-splitter) |
| 20:46.21 | grogoreo | valdyn_ no. And I know I'm going to get killed now, but I'm not technically using Debian. I'm using... Ubuntu (which I know some people frown on). But the reason why I'm here is because you guys are more helpful than other channels |
| 20:46.35 | dvs | Guest123549: It's source code that you must get from Promise |
| 20:46.49 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: ubuntu's 2.6.x *should* have that module too |
| 20:46.52 | Guest123549 | when i install debian sarge, i see it loading promise_driver..( i think the name is that ) |
| 20:47.01 | fooz | people only frown on it here because ubuntu/knoppix/whatever distro users come here for help.. they're different distros |
| 20:47.06 | grogoreo | valdyn_ FATAL: Module via82cxx not found. |
| 20:47.16 | dvs | Guest123549: There are many Promise controllers. The 20376 is not in the linux kernel |
| 20:47.24 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: you need THREE x, via82cxxx |
| 20:48.08 | greycat | grogoreo: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name via82\* |
| 20:48.39 | grogoreo | valdyn_, eek sorry. I think its there. There wasnt a FATAL error. just nothing as if I pressed enter with a blank line |
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| 20:49.11 | grogoreo | greycat, /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/via82cxxx.ko and /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/via82cxxx_audio.ko |
| 20:49.43 | Guest123549 | dvs: its the first time that i use raid. So, this promise dont works with linux or can i update something for this works ? |
| 20:50.09 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: dmesg will tell if it was inserted or if there was an error, if dmesg sais nothing about it, then it was already inserted |
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| 20:50.21 | drac | grogoreo: so what's the problem? depmod -ae && modprobe via82cxxx |
| 20:50.24 | dvs | Guest123549: You can get PCI RAID cards if that's what you mean. |
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| 20:50.25 | cuti | hey people, how do i write to ntft partition? |
| 20:50.35 | dvs | cuti: You don't |
| 20:50.37 | greycat | cuti: windows. |
| 20:50.42 | cuti | oh |
| 20:50.57 | cuti | greycat,, can i format it with fat32? |
| 20:51.01 | cuti | from linux |
| 20:51.11 | greycat | cuti: yes, but then it won't be ntfs, and you'll lose the contents. |
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| 20:51.16 | drac | cuti: or if you don't have anything to lose, and plenty of time you could compile your own kernel with _experimental_ ntfs writing support and try it. |
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| 20:51.28 | cuti | i don't care, i just boought the harddrive. |
| 20:51.32 | cuti | it's a slave. |
| 20:51.37 | tarzeau | hi p2-mate_ |
| 20:51.49 | cuti | how do i format it from linux |
| 20:51.59 | greg_ | cuti: beware of experimental stuff and ntfs |
| 20:52.00 | cuti | it's /dev/hdb1 |
| 20:52.02 | greycat | !find mkfs.fat sarge |
| 20:52.07 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: "cat /proc/ide/via" |
| 20:52.08 | grogoreo | valdyn_, tried the dmesg but only lots of lines like depmod -ae && modprobe via82cxxx came up |
| 20:52.10 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mkfs.fat' returned no results. |
| 20:52.14 | greycat | !find mkfs.vfat sarge |
| 20:52.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 20:52.23 | greycat | there. |
| 20:52.28 | grogoreo | drac, nothing came up, just a blank enter |
| 20:52.31 | cuti | /sbin/mkfs.vfat? |
| 20:52.35 | drac | grogoreo: that means it's loaded. |
| 20:52.41 | dvs | cuti: dosfstools |
| 20:52.48 | cuti | how do i format it |
| 20:52.57 | cuti | dosfstools /dev/hdb1? |
| 20:53.02 | drac | grogoreo: lsmod | grep via82 |
| 20:53.08 | drac | grogoreo: you should see it there, loaded up. |
| 20:53.10 | dvs | cuti: Do you have dosfstools installed |
| 20:53.15 | cuti | nope |
| 20:53.18 | cuti | let me install it |
| 20:53.34 | cuti | dosfstools is already the newest version. |
| 20:53.35 | grogoreo | drac, yes |
| 20:53.36 | FieldySnuts | @enter cuti |
| 20:53.42 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi? |
| 20:53.43 | ravenbird | Many greetings, fieldysnuts, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 20:53.43 | dvs | cuti: Then you have it |
| 20:53.51 | cuti | # dosfstools |
| 20:53.51 | cuti | bash: dosfstools: command not found |
| 20:53.52 | dvs | cuti: mkfs.vfat /dev/xxx |
| 20:54.01 | tarzeau | cuti: dpkg -L dosfstools |
| 20:54.04 | greycat | cuti: dpkg -L dosfstools |
| 20:54.06 | FieldySnuts | dosfstools is not the name of the command, it's the name of the package |
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| 20:54.54 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump fat32 |
| 20:55.08 | cuti | # /sbin/mkfs.msdos /dev/hdb1 |
| 20:55.08 | cuti | mkfs.msdos 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 20:55.13 | cuti | done? |
| 20:55.20 | cuti | it take only a second :D |
| 20:55.22 | dvs | cuti: Not msdos, vfat |
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| 20:55.47 | cuti | mkfs.vfat /dev/hdb1? |
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| 20:55.52 | fooz | yeh |
| 20:55.52 | drini | mkfs.vfat -F32 o algo asi |
| 20:55.57 | dvs | cuti: yeah |
| 20:55.59 | cuti | same thing |
| 20:56.01 | drini | por default crea fat16 |
| 20:56.03 | cuti | it take only a second |
| 20:56.04 | drini | sorry |
| 20:56.05 | drini | wrong chan |
| 20:56.07 | cuti | # mkfs.vfat /dev/hdb1 |
| 20:56.07 | cuti | mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 20:56.10 | drini | by default it creates fat16 |
| 20:56.17 | cuti | oh |
| 20:56.26 | cuti | now i can write to hdb1 right? |
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| 20:56.35 | grogoreo | valdyn_ about the 'cat /proc/ide/via' http://www.grogoreo.co.uk/error.txt |
| 20:56.35 | dvs | cuti: After you mount it |
| 20:56.36 | greycat | cuti: mount it. |
| 20:56.57 | ionrock | does anyone know when gnome 2.10 might be in unstable? |
| 20:57.05 | dvs | ionrock: after sarge |
| 20:57.21 | cuti | ah, it works :D |
| 20:57.28 | cuti | thanks guys!!! I'm very happy |
| 20:57.35 | greycat | the real question is "will gnome ever NOT suck dog shit?", and the answer is... |
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| 20:57.42 | greycat | !8ball will gnome ever NOT suck dog shit? |
| 20:57.43 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
| 20:57.46 | markybob | ionrock, http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:57.47 | OrangeRoot1000 | is there an official release date now for sarge? |
| 20:57.51 | ionrock | dvs: that seems a bit weird... I was under the impression it would be in unstable (sid) before going to testing (sarge) |
| 20:58.04 | chealer | OrangeRoot1000: no |
| 20:58.04 | markybob | OrangeRoot1000, no |
| 20:58.13 | OrangeRoot1000 | bummer |
| 20:58.25 | fooz | May 1 |
| 20:58.34 | dvs | ionrock: Yes, that's right. But testing is going to be stable soon so they want as little changes as possible |
| 20:58.47 | tarzeau | OrangeRoot1000: did you read the release update of today? |
| 20:58.53 | OrangeRoot1000 | i like the sarge installer and used it to do the machine i am on right now. |
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| 20:59.07 | OrangeRoot1000 | tarzeau: no. is it on the main page for debian? |
| 20:59.14 | tarzeau | OrangeRoot1000: no, it's on the mailinglist |
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| 20:59.32 | chealer | tarzeau: hum, a release update of today eh? ;) |
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| 20:59.46 | tarzeau | chealer: seriously let me find the link |
| 20:59.51 | dvs | Hmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 20:59.53 | T_T | hello |
| 20:59.57 | T_T | e |
| 20:59.59 | chealer | tarzeau: haha, so a true one |
| 20:59.59 | T_T | hola |
| 21:00.00 | tarzeau | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00003.html |
| 21:00.07 | tarzeau | chealer, OrangeRoot1000: for you two |
| 21:00.12 | chealer | amazing, 5 msgs on d-d-a today |
| 21:00.18 | OrangeRoot1000 | tarzeau: kk ty |
| 21:00.28 | chealer | thanks tarzeau, I had only seen the 3.0r5 stuff and the april fools :) |
| 21:00.35 | T_T | hellooo |
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| 21:00.57 | T_T | I am from Argentina |
| 21:01.02 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: your hda and your hdd have dma enabled according to this. So all is working as you wanted? |
| 21:01.08 | tarzeau | T_T: age, sex? |
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| 21:01.18 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: err, hdc too |
| 21:01.21 | T_T | 13 |
| 21:01.27 | T_T | male |
| 21:01.29 | chealer | T_T: do you want to talk spanish or you can talk good english? |
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| 21:01.48 | markybob | tarzeau, you goof |
| 21:01.55 | T_T | yes |
| 21:02.02 | cuti | hey something weird going on... this is a 160 GB harddrive but after i mkfs.vfat /dev/hdb1 it give me only /dev/hdb1 1022M 712M 311M 70% /mnt/windows |
| 21:02.05 | cuti | how come? |
| 21:02.05 | T_T | + or - |
| 21:02.17 | markybob | T_T go to #debian-es |
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| 21:02.28 | tarzeau | markybob: he acted like a goof, goof! |
| 21:02.30 | grogoreo | valdyn_ hdparm (/dev/hdc) says using_dma = 0 (off) |
| 21:02.41 | FieldySnuts | postmaaaan!! |
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| 21:02.51 | tarzeau | markybob: using 5 lines to say hello, and then telling from where he is, that cries for a kick! |
| 21:02.53 | T_T | ya estoy ahi |
| 21:02.58 | T_T | jaja |
| 21:03.10 | markybob | t_t we dont speak spanish in here. speak spanish in #debian-es |
| 21:03.12 | tarzeau | markybob: so don't piss at me. calling me goof only makes me mad.$ |
| 21:03.22 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: /proc/acpi/via claims that dma is on, so thats likely true |
| 21:03.25 | T_T | mmok |
| 21:03.26 | markybob | tarzeau, calling you a goof was a joke. anyone could see that |
| 21:03.32 | T_T | thanks |
| 21:03.44 | FieldySnuts | @blame tarzeau |
| 21:03.51 | grogoreo | valdyn_, and also I have another hard drive connected (hda). the one I use is sda. |
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| 21:03.57 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: /proc/ide/via ( ops ) |
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| 21:05.04 | grogoreo | valdyn_, and it is slow when playing a DVD |
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| 21:05.13 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: which one is slow? |
| 21:05.28 | grogoreo | valdyn_, my dvd drive, hdc |
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| 21:05.38 | grogoreo | valdyn_, it jitters |
| 21:05.39 | garp | quit |
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| 21:05.48 | msamsing | hey there |
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| 21:05.59 | T_T | chaealer, are you in debian-es?? |
| 21:06.01 | msamsing | how do i run a fetchmail daemon in .xinitrc? |
| 21:06.20 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: that must be a different problem, but try cat /dev/hdc > /dev/null and look via "top" how much cpu % is used |
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| 21:07.05 | T_T | Linux is exelent |
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| 21:08.07 | grogoreo | valdyn_, cat: /dev/hdc: Input/output error |
| 21:08.15 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 21:08.16 | arnon | this is probalby off-topic, but can anyone recommend me any open source tool to make a presentation like powerpoint? |
| 21:08.28 | msamsing | arnon: impress |
| 21:08.29 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: broken dvd? |
| 21:08.34 | Eclipser | I need to change the brightness of my laptop screen... |
| 21:08.40 | msamsing | arnon: open office.org |
| 21:08.41 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: or none inserted? |
| 21:08.53 | arnon | msamsing, impress ? |
| 21:08.58 | grogoreo | valdyn_, played it on a proper DVD player and worked fine. I've put a DVD in |
| 21:09.18 | foobared | arnon: mgp, openoffice |
| 21:09.21 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: try a different disk |
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| 21:09.46 | grogoreo | valdyn_, i trid cat without the > /dev/null and a load of garbage came up |
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| 21:10.03 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: right, thats why we use >/dev/null |
| 21:10.07 | chealer | T_T: I was, just to check if I could understand a bit :) |
| 21:10.23 | DxA | Is it possibel to send a program to specified shell? - I mean im running a BNC Server and i want so from console i can start a program IN the vncserver window. If you understand? |
| 21:10.25 | msamsing | arnon: have a look at open office.org |
| 21:10.43 | DxA | VNC* |
| 21:10.45 | T_T | ah |
| 21:10.47 | T_T | ok |
| 21:10.47 | T_T | bye |
| 21:10.48 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: there _is_ an error on your dvd, no matter if it plays in your dvd player or not, try a different disk, then "cat /dev/hdc > /dev/null" |
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| 21:10.57 | grogoreo | valdyn_, Oh right. I've tried another DVD and same error, cat: /dev/hdc: Input/output error (sorry for all this hassle) |
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| 21:11.08 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: ok! |
| 21:11.14 | arnon | msamsing, thanks |
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| 21:11.32 | msamsing | arnon: np |
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| 21:12.26 | DxA | Is it possibel to send a program to specified shell? - I mean im running a VNC Server and i want so from console i can start a program IN the vncserver window. If you understand? |
| 21:12.30 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: this is a low lvl error, kernel thing or hardware thing, i cant fix it |
| 21:12.59 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: feel free to try different kernels but I *think* your dvd drive might be broken |
| 21:13.12 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: or its cabling naturally |
| 21:13.18 | dexter_ | DxA: Was that a Babelfish translation? :P |
| 21:13.29 | DxA | dexter_: no, sorry for my english.. |
| 21:13.32 | tarzeau | dexter_: i didn't understand it either |
| 21:13.38 | DxA | ill try again |
| 21:13.42 | dexter_ | tarzeau: hehe. High five! :P |
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| 21:14.04 | grogoreo | valdyn_, ok, well thank you anyway valdyn. I'll have to give compiling my own kernel a go. |
| 21:14.18 | DxA | I want to start a program in my VNCserver window/shell from console... So i dont need to log into the vncserver for starting a program but i can start the program from console into the vncserver. My vncserver is running as :0 |
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| 21:14.33 | DxA | was that better dexter_ ? :D |
| 21:14.37 | dexter_ | Kinda |
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| 21:14.40 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: no, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.whatever |
| 21:14.55 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: compiling your own is a bad idea to debug this error |
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| 21:14.57 | binarydigit | sarge is out! |
| 21:15.05 | DxA | dexter_: do you know how? |
| 21:15.06 | grogoreo | valdyn_, ok |
| 21:15.07 | tarzeau | binarydigit: april first |
| 21:15.08 | binarydigit | april fools |
| 21:15.10 | binarydigit | =X |
| 21:15.14 | binarydigit | badoom boom |
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| 21:15.28 | dexter_ | DxA: No. And i don't see what's the problem with opening applications the "normal" way. |
| 21:15.58 | greg_ | binarydigit: sure ? |
| 21:16.08 | valdyn_ | grogoreo: with a good drive and disk, the "cat" thing i told you above should cause very few cpu load if dma is working, and yield a 100% used cpu if it isnt. |
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| 21:16.16 | DxA | dexter_: because i want to make a php dokument with a buttom who starts a program into the VNC server, and i dont know how to do it in another way.... |
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| 21:16.46 | grogoreo | valydn_, I'll put in my other DVD drive and have a go, later |
| 21:17.01 | dexter_ | DxA: Deosn't "who" mostly refer to a person? :P |
| 21:17.21 | dexter_ | And i mean, PHP is NOT scriptable people. |
| 21:17.22 | DxA | DxA: eh? |
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| 21:20.16 | FieldySnuts | @lart php |
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| 21:22.37 | wayne_ | i am trying to find out what program is sending packets, because i have a lot of network activity, does anyone know of an application that can tell me what program is sending packets, I'm using ethereal but i don't know how to interpret the data? |
| 21:22.51 | thingfish | wayne_: iftop, maybe. |
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| 21:23.29 | FieldySnuts | i'd say tcpdump -n but if you're having probs with ethereal (which is far clearer than tcpdump), i dunno |
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| 21:23.43 | asuffield | netstat. duh. |
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| 21:23.51 | wayne_ | thnx, i'm getting iftop now |
| 21:23.52 | Xinukid | hi guys does anyone do flash deisng here? |
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| 21:24.11 | Schteffann | hi. a friend was going to install deBin ich die Auskunft? 11880 - Das ist die Auskunftn 3.0r4 on a new computer. during the installation he had to choose a driver for the adaptec scsi controller. he chose the AIC 79xx driver (which should be the right one?). but the installation can't continue (the insmod failed). how can he find the current & working driver? and how to load while the installation process? |
| 21:24.24 | FieldySnuts | if you want to record to a binary file, and send it to me I can look at it (tcpdump -w tcpdump.bin -s 1500 , run it for maybe 30 seconds then kill it, send me the file via email (ask me for it)) |
| 21:24.31 | Schteffann | fuck**** script :( |
| 21:24.33 | FieldySnuts | but note I can only be here for another 10 minutes. |
| 21:25.04 | greycat | Schteffann: alt-f2, enter, type "lspci", read it. |
| 21:25.16 | greycat | Schteffann: or... wait, woody doesn't have lspci. try "cat /proc/pci" instead. |
| 21:25.32 | thekernel32 | I'm using bind9 from testing and when another name server tries to do a zone transfer the tcp request just sits with status SYN_RECV. It's like bind isn't responding like it should. Has anyone seen this? (bind9 from testing) |
| 21:25.43 | Schteffann | THX greycat |
| 21:25.59 | greycat | Schteffann: or use sarge. |
| 21:26.34 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: pee? |
| 21:26.34 | ravenbird | Ok. |
| 21:26.35 | Schteffann | ok. will try tomorrow |
| 21:26.38 | FieldySnuts | heh. oookay |
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| 21:26.42 | cafuego | Schteffann: He should have booted the 'compact' kernel. Did he? |
| 21:26.51 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: pee on? |
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| 21:26.52 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 21:27.29 | nSe | hmmm... need help: what is the string to set full acess to all users for a mounted directory point? |
| 21:27.29 | Rakeleer | Once upon a time I had some mixed woody/unstable servers set to print via samba, through cups-pdf backend and get pdf results that had text (ie pdftotxt or copy/paste showed the pdf had text in it). Now, for some reason (upgraded packages, methinks) all the pdfs produced have only images. Wtf? |
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| 21:27.42 | Schteffann | cafuego: don't know. i'm gonna see tomorrow. i'll to see whats he doing |
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| 21:28.33 | cafuego | Schteffann: The problem there is that 'compact' is a 2.2 kernel and the 79xx might need 2.4 or newer. It'd probably be easiest if he just used sarge (3.1) instead of woody. |
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| 21:28.58 | cosmicassassin | I removed a file by accident, is there anyway to retrieve it? |
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| 21:29.14 | cafuego | cosmicassassin: Restore from backup. |
| 21:29.54 | Rakeleer | Ah... something to do with Samba, looks like. From a good ol' Ubuntu client, the server produces usable pdf. So, I'll go smack samba around. |
| 21:30.10 | cosmicassassin | there was no backup in this case. Old thesis stuff that I thought I wouldn't need again until two seconds ago. I deleted it about 2 minutes ago. |
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| 21:30.45 | Schteffann | cafuego: ok, i will download it. that might to be best and easiest |
| 21:30.47 | cafuego | cosmicassassin: *maybe* wityh some low-level file recovery tools, but more likely not. |
| 21:31.12 | gtigene | How do I give my box a static IP? I use "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.8 up" but as soon as I reboot it goes back to DHCP. |
| 21:31.16 | cosmicassassin | cafuego, that's what I already knew, hoping someone would tell me otherwise and make me feel better |
| 21:31.28 | DxA | gtigene: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:31.38 | gtigene | DxA, thanks |
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| 21:32.39 | nSe | could somebody help me please: what is the string to set full acess to all users for a mounted directory point? |
| 21:32.47 | Lekronne | how can i install debian/sparc (netinstall) with kernel 2.6 ? |
| 21:33.05 | carlos-d-man | anybody have a single non interactive command line to create grup "joe" and user "joe" and YYY pasword? |
| 21:33.08 | gtigene | DxA, in my /etc/network/interfaces it says "Do not edit below this line". Is there something I should know? |
| 21:33.11 | dvs | Lekronne: At the boot prompt, type "linux26" |
| 21:33.22 | Lekronne | linux26 don't work |
| 21:33.31 | gtigene | Guess I'll look at man page |
| 21:33.44 | DxA | gtigene: read man interfaces |
| 21:33.44 | valdyn_ | !d-i Lekronne |
| 21:33.45 | dpkg | Lekronne, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:33.45 | dvs | Lekronne: Which version of Debian are you trying to install? |
| 21:33.58 | Lekronne | sarge rc3 |
| 21:34.04 | gtigene | DxA, OK sure |
| 21:34.12 | gtigene | bye |
| 21:34.16 | dvs | Lekronne: Then the default kernel is 2.6 |
| 21:34.36 | Cyanophytes | Is ther a way to have dosemu boot dos from a directory? I can't get it to work. |
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| 21:35.36 | Lekronne | it's 2.4.27 |
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| 21:36.08 | BadMan | arg.. problem.. we had a power outage last night(I was at work) and now my debian box won't full boot. Shows nVidia spalsh screen(sometimes for a sec and sometime very briefly) before it reboots.. Ideas? |
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| 21:36.47 | chealer | dvs: is there a place that says what are the default kernels? |
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| 21:37.44 | chealer | BadMan: hum, do you remember playing with APT or something? |
| 21:37.45 | Lekronne | 2.6 is available to install using apt, but, in the netinstall doesn't seem to be available... tought linux26 was going to work... :? |
| 21:37.48 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/265851 <-- any ideas what i am doing wring, i can run it normally as a $ |
| 21:38.02 | dvs | chealer: The Debian web site in the announcements |
| 21:38.03 | JRWR | i have a i810E Vid chip and i was asking why x11 after much config still will one use 640x480 res |
| 21:38.06 | Lekronne | *thought |
| 21:38.15 | BadMan | chealer the only thing tha would have ran would have been apt-get update ona cron jub last night |
| 21:38.34 | dvs | JRWR: It's probably the first one listed. |
| 21:38.35 | chealer | !tell redduck666 about sux |
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| 21:38.57 | JRWR | i would like x11 for it to go at 1024x768 |
| 21:39.14 | chealer | BadMan: not really a problem then... I don't know, you could try if seems to work |
| 21:39.20 | JRWR | !tell redduck666 about sux |
| 21:39.23 | drac | JRWR: Insert correct amount of video memory you have in X's configuration, since i810 has some problem with automatic detection of it. And also google your monitor name and model, and insert correct Vertical and Horizontal values for your monitor. |
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| 21:39.24 | chealer | s/if seems/ if APT seems |
| 21:39.25 | funky | hi |
| 21:39.36 | JRWR | ok |
| 21:39.49 | BadMan | chealer all of my other comps boot fine it when gdm starts that if reboots..? |
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| 21:39.55 | funky | there is a way to show the later installed packages through apt ? |
| 21:40.08 | BadMan | power supply issue maybe? |
| 21:40.53 | chealer | BadMan: hum, no idea how you could know, if you don't have a knoppix |
| 21:41.01 | JRWR | how much is 5.5megs in K |
| 21:41.03 | BadMan | got a knoppic |
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| 21:41.10 | greycat | JRWR: 1024 K in a M |
| 21:41.18 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | 5.5 * 1024k... |
| 21:41.21 | nSe | ok, i'm in konqueror, and i need to have full acess to denied acess folder, what i have to do? |
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| 21:41.35 | greycat | nSe: get a unix book. |
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| 21:41.40 | greycat | and get the FUCK out of your gui. |
| 21:41.48 | chealer | BadMan: if you really think the power supply could be the problem, that could give you a hint |
| 21:41.49 | JRWR | 5632k |
| 21:41.52 | greycat | it's rotting your mind. |
| 21:42.12 | JRWR | FYI its a Intel 82810e |
| 21:42.51 | JRWR | so i should use the I810 drives? |
| 21:43.09 | drac | JRWR: I think so. |
| 21:43.23 | nSe | greycat: hey, do you know what "peace" means? |
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| 21:43.49 | drac | JRWR: Intel® 810E Chipset: 82810E Graphics |
| 21:44.07 | drac | JRWR: Checked it from google. You're using correct drivers. |
| 21:44.08 | greycat | !wikifaq nSe Permissions |
| 21:44.09 | dpkg | nSe: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:44.24 | greycat | although I suspect that even *that* document is above your level. |
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| 21:45.25 | nSe | i love you greycat |
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| 21:49.33 | gary | Does anyone here know much about backing up dvds in linux. I mean i can rip the contents, but I'm a little unsure about encoding them as a dvd so i can burn them to a dvd |
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| 21:50.48 | cafuego | dvd::rip |
| 21:51.00 | twitchmax | evening everyone |
| 21:51.01 | gary | Oh, can that encode them too then? |
| 21:51.04 | gary | HI twitchmax |
| 21:51.43 | twitchmax | was wondering if anyone had any experience upgrading stable to testing on a sparc32? |
| 21:52.01 | justin | gary: uh, why would you need to encode something as a dvd that was take right off a dvd? |
| 21:52.07 | justin | !tell twitchmax about ask |
| 21:52.09 | genix | Shouldn't xserver-xfree86 be in "tasksel --task-packages desktop | grep x" ? |
| 21:52.32 | justin | gary: no, because x-window-system-core is |
| 21:52.42 | cafuego | twitchmax: Afaik yiou should be fine provided you have a kernel newer than 2.4.21 |
| 21:53.01 | gary | justin: Some dvd's hold more than 4.7gb such as dual layer dvd's, therefore you must encode it to a smaller size |
| 21:53.09 | genix | justin: ok, why am I using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to reconfigure X then? |
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| 21:53.35 | cafuego | genix: Coz you're configuring the server, not a task. |
| 21:53.39 | twitchmax | cafuego: where can i get 2.4.21 for sparc32, all i can find is for sparc64 |
| 21:53.59 | cafuego | twitchmax: www.kernel.org + gcc |
| 21:54.35 | genix | justin: so x-window-system is configured when I run "dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"? |
| 21:54.48 | twitchmax | cafuego: won't it break the dpkg system if i do a manual kernel install? |
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| 21:55.42 | justin | !+info kernel-image-2.4 sarge |
| 21:55.43 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-image-2.4' does not exist. |
| 21:55.50 | justin | !+info kernel-image-2.4-sparc32 sarge |
| 21:55.52 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-image-2.4-sparc32' does not exist. |
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| 21:56.03 | chealer | justin: I think that's new in 2.6 |
| 21:56.05 | alexey | hi all! |
| 21:56.12 | abrotman | it's new in sarge |
| 21:56.25 | alexey | I have a problem - I don't know how to batch-convert file's extensions |
| 21:56.38 | justin | http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/kernel-image-2.4-sparc32 |
| 21:56.44 | alexey | for example 100 .tar.gz files to .tgz |
| 21:56.45 | justin | dunno why dpkg doesn't see it |
| 21:56.49 | justin | alexey: man rename |
| 21:56.52 | valdyn_ | genix: apt-cache depends x-window-system-core |
| 21:57.01 | gary | Does anyone here know much about backing up dvds in linux. I mean i can rip the contents, but I'm a little unsure about encoding them as a dvd so i can burn them to a dvd |
| 21:57.02 | twitchmax | justin: thanx |
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| 21:57.28 | justin | !+info dvdauthor |
| 21:57.30 | dpkg | dvdauthor: (create DVD-Video file system), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.6.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 364 kB |
| 21:57.30 | JohannesLutz | hi |
| 21:57.31 | justin | gary: ^^^^^^^^ |
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| 21:57.48 | gary | dvdauthor? Cool, thanks justinm |
| 21:58.23 | JohannesLutz | do you know where i can get x800 drivers 4 debian with 64bit support |
| 21:58.29 | genix | justin: =), ok |
| 21:58.48 | alexey | Thanks a-lot !!!! |
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| 21:58.55 | justin | I used that a few weeks ago to rip a single special feature to a cd... my dad tried to do it with toast, the stupid fucking thing sat there trying to transcode the mpeg2 file to mpeg2... took me no time using dvdauthor |
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| 21:59.32 | candc540 | anyone in here know how to install gnome 2.10 from experimental in unstable |
| 21:59.32 | JohannesLutz | ??ß |
| 21:59.43 | candc540 | don't want to compile it from source again |
| 21:59.50 | cafuego | candc540: If you don't know how, you shouldn't. it *will* break stuff. |
| 21:59.51 | justin | candc540: experiment :-P |
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| 22:00.19 | candc540 | i installed from source and wow that was fun didn't work so well |
| 22:00.34 | candc540 | after about 8 hours of compiling what a let down |
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| 22:00.45 | cafuego | candc540: Just wait patiently until it enters sid. |
| 22:01.04 | candc540 | or i can run ubuntu (ugh) |
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| 22:01.16 | cafuego | candc540: Indeed 9that's what I do) |
| 22:01.39 | candc540 | is there an eta on when it will enter sid? |
| 22:01.53 | cafuego | candc540: Pretty much "when it's ready". |
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| 22:02.00 | devazion | why you need gnome2.10 desperatly? :) |
| 22:02.05 | candc540 | ok well even better question |
| 22:02.12 | candc540 | what is a good util to use for wireless |
| 22:02.40 | candc540 | gnome 2.10 has better wireless support lets you setup wep key in network preferences |
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| 22:02.43 | Cyanophytes | I removed my dosemu.conf file thinking I had a backup somewhere but didn't. Is there a way to get a new one? |
| 22:03.08 | cafuego | candc540: Is it too hard to edit /etc/network/interfaces *once* ? |
| 22:03.17 | candc540 | no |
| 22:03.49 | candc540 | but still i would like to be able to switch back and forth between ssids easily without having to edit a conf file |
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| 22:05.18 | candc540 | is there an applet or something that will let you pick an ssid kind of like (i hate to say it) xp? |
| 22:05.23 | Cyanophytes | Can apt-get reinstall default config files. I tried removing and reinstalling and it won't work |
| 22:05.28 | drini | kwirless |
| 22:05.29 | drini | ;) |
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| 22:06.01 | candc540 | kwirless in gnome |
| 22:06.11 | candc540 | that takes forever to start just like all kde stuff |
| 22:06.13 | cafuego | No reason that wouldn't work. |
| 22:06.33 | genix | how do I search for the package kbe (not package that have kde in the description)? |
| 22:06.41 | candc540 | sorry i have come to hate kde it's so slow compared to gnome, but if it works then i'll install it |
| 22:06.58 | Pappa | does it work with wlan-ng? |
| 22:07.58 | candc540 | is it kwirelessmonitor? |
| 22:08.02 | candc540 | or kwireless? |
| 22:08.14 | drini | one of these |
| 22:08.18 | horror_vacui | The solution I got here today for my install problem didn't work, if someone is interested. net-installer rc3 had the same problem. |
| 22:08.33 | drini | I dont know I just addd the iwconfig command on some rc* script |
| 22:08.41 | mcg | Cyanophytes: Use "apt-get --purge remove <packet>", then reinstall. |
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| 22:08.50 | cafuego | horror_vacui: #debian-boot |
| 22:08.52 | drini | since I am on a single wifi net |
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| 22:09.13 | genix | candc540: kbe not kde (if you was talking to me) |
| 22:09.13 | candc540 | so --purge will remove all files associated with the package? |
| 22:09.40 | HeavyD | Can somebody help me... what is a better filesystem.. ReiserFS or ext3? What are the differences? |
| 22:09.50 | Pappa | ReiserFS is as good as any |
| 22:10.07 | candc540 | oh great |
| 22:10.15 | chealer | !reiserfs |
| 22:10.15 | dpkg | reiserfs is probably a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 22:10.26 | genix | candc540: did --purge work? |
| 22:10.32 | mcg | candc540: From "man dpkg": "i.e. we want to remove everything, even configuration files" |
| 22:10.35 | Pappa | a h e m? |
| 22:10.37 | horror_vacui | cafuego: Thanks, but that's over now. I just thought someone could use the info. |
| 22:10.40 | valdyn_ | !factinfo reiserfs |
| 22:10.40 | dpkg | reiserfs -- last modified at Sat Jun 12 09:38:14 2004 by peterS!~peterS~@ppp-67-64-26-234.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net; it has been requested 127 times, last by chealer, 26s ago. |
| 22:10.51 | candc540 | well that's a good thing to know for the future |
| 22:10.51 | Cyanophytes | mcg: thanks |
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| 22:11.06 | HeavyD | So ext3 is not quite as fast.. but more reliable maybe? |
| 22:11.12 | Pappa | yeh |
| 22:11.31 | genix | candc540: so it is "apt-get remove --purge PACKAGE"? |
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| 22:11.41 | HeavyD | hmmm... sounds good. Thanks Pappa |
| 22:11.47 | Gamerscomplete | hi everyone |
| 22:12.00 | Pappa | the thumb rule is "is you must ask, go with ext3" |
| 22:12.08 | horror_vacui | HeavyD: Is supposed to be. Although all the horror stories about reiserfs are pretty old, and reiserfs seems to be quite stable now from what I hear... |
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| 22:12.27 | Gamerscomplete | I just installed woody on my laptop and theres a 1" black border all the way around the screen how do I change that? Ive went through like every option and I cant find anything |
| 22:12.27 | candc540 | ahhh worked great |
| 22:12.31 | Pappa | well i never got data loss, and i get power shortages like once a week |
| 22:12.39 | HeavyD | is it Noticeably faster than ext3? |
| 22:12.40 | candc540 | used it just now |
| 22:12.54 | candc540 | maybe you're running 800x600 and stretch isnt turned on |
| 22:13.02 | candc540 | try swtiching video resolution |
| 22:13.02 | deadcat | possible to source my .screenrc inside screen? |
| 22:13.10 | Gamerscomplete | how do I switch res? I cant find that either |
| 22:13.16 | candc540 | gnome or kde |
| 22:13.25 | Gamerscomplete | kde |
| 22:13.36 | Pappa | ctrl-alt-plus |
| 22:13.41 | genix | Gamerscomplete: in gnome its easy in kde it's another story |
| 22:13.42 | Pappa | works everywhere |
| 22:13.50 | horror_vacui | HeavyD: I never compared it directly, with a proper test setup, but I have a feeling that it's quite noticeably faster. A friend of mine did some tests, and he said his benchmarks showed very good performance. |
| 22:13.52 | awb4422 | is gnome 2.10 in sid or is it 2.8? |
| 22:13.57 | candc540 | there's also another place to set it also via the gui |
| 22:13.59 | candc540 | 2.8 |
| 22:14.00 | Pappa | oh rightie |
| 22:14.04 | horror_vacui | HeavyD: It's quite snappy, in short. |
| 22:14.04 | deadcat | awb4422: /topic |
| 22:14.05 | Pappa | try 1024x768? |
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| 22:14.14 | Gamerscomplete | can I change it in gnome and have that change cary over to kde |
| 22:14.14 | Gamerscomplete | ? |
| 22:14.15 | awb4422 | oh wow, im sorry |
| 22:14.20 | awb4422 | im retarded |
| 22:14.23 | candc540 | np |
| 22:14.25 | HeavyD | horror_vacui: Hmm, and you say they have fixed alot of the instability issues now have they? |
| 22:14.32 | genix | Gamerscomplete: no |
| 22:14.34 | candc540 | i was just complaining aboutit a minute ago |
| 22:14.50 | candc540 | i want 2.10 now |
| 22:14.51 | Gamerscomplete | ok well I can use gnome how do I change it in that? |
| 22:15.04 | deadcat | candc540: ubuntu has 2.10 NOW |
| 22:15.14 | candc540 | even if it is a little bit unstable or experimental that's why i'm running experimental :) |
| 22:15.26 | candc540 | ubuntu makes my dvd's skip even with dma turned on |
| 22:15.27 | genix | Gamerscomplete: switch to GNOME > Applications > Desktop Preferences > Screen Resolution |
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| 22:15.55 | Gamerscomplete | k lemme boot up my laptop real fast |
| 22:16.02 | candc540 | Gamercomplete: gnome is your friend it's much faster than kde |
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| 22:16.15 | Gamerscomplete | is it? |
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| 22:16.26 | horror_vacui | HeavyD: Well, at least gentoo goes as far as to recommend it as standard, and from what I hear it's quite stable. I haven't followed its record, though, so what I say is mostly hearsay. I'd say: for a desktop, go reiser. For a production machine hosting important data, I'd choose ext3 (here, a dosis of conservativism can be healthy) |
| 22:16.26 | deadcat | try xfce4 |
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| 22:16.52 | chealer | horror_vacui: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=269945 |
| 22:16.56 | candc540 | yep yeah xfce4 is faster than gnome, but not as friendly |
| 22:17.00 | HeavyD | horror_vacui: Thanks very much for your help, it is greatly appreciated. |
| 22:17.04 | Gamerscomplete | I dont have a desktop preferences under applications genix |
| 22:17.07 | cureless | xfce4 is pretty friendly |
| 22:17.10 | horror_vacui | chealer: Yes, I agree. |
| 22:17.29 | deadcat | if you start shits from the command line. everything is the same. |
| 22:17.45 | candc540 | it is, but i don't mess with it much and no application menu unless i'm missing it |
| 22:17.48 | Seb | hmmm can anyone access www.debianplanet.org ? It seems to take forever for me, but it never actually times out :\ |
| 22:18.03 | HeavyD | Loaded instantly for me. |
| 22:18.05 | candc540 | just installed it yesterday but haven't played with it much |
| 22:18.13 | ildegar | works fine |
| 22:18.24 | Seb | HeavyD: honestly, reiser is flaky |
| 22:18.36 | Seb | HeavyD: my boss' machine got a corrupted FS just like week |
| 22:18.51 | HeavyD | Seb: Hmm... what do you think caused that? |
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| 22:19.00 | Seb | HeavyD: k thanks, it must be my connection |
| 22:19.11 | Seb | ildegar: thx too |
| 22:19.15 | drini | I also had reiserfs problems.. but I think it was just bad luck |
| 22:19.21 | drini | a lot of people says it's very stable |
| 22:19.28 | Seb | HeavyD: i have no idea. But i've never had *any* corruption with ext[23] |
| 22:19.42 | Seb | although some guy was in here yesterday, and it looked a lot like a corrputed ext2 fs |
| 22:19.47 | HeavyD | But if i'm using the computer as a file server hosting alot of semi-important data... ext3 would be a better choice? |
| 22:19.53 | drini | I had an ext3 gone completely mad 6 months ago, however, but that's the only time |
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| 22:20.08 | horror_vacui | Seb, HeavyD: For what it's worth, I've been using reiserfs for years now, and never had a problem with it. |
| 22:20.09 | Seb | HeavyD: supposedly xfs is real good |
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| 22:20.24 | Seb | horror_vacui, HeavyD: precisely what my boss argued till last week :> |
| 22:20.42 | HeavyD | hmmm |
| 22:20.46 | drini | if it's really important data, I'd stick to ext3 |
| 22:20.48 | cureless | you know what's a good fs? iso9660. |
| 22:20.53 | horror_vacui | Seb: Well, let's hope then that I'm luckier than that. :) |
| 22:20.55 | HeavyD | rofl curless :P |
| 22:20.56 | Cyanophytes | Anyone here successfully use dosemu to boot from files in a directory |
| 22:20.56 | drini | just because it's been more tested, etc... |
| 22:21.00 | Seb | horror_vacui: i sure hope you are :) |
| 22:21.06 | drini | if it's really important, aa small performance gain isn't worth the risk |
| 22:21.10 | Seb | HeavyD: i go with drini on this one |
| 22:21.11 | Gamerscomplete | hey does anyone have any idea why mp3 files would just keep randomly disapearing on my linux server? |
| 22:21.13 | TipTop | anyone uses sqwebmail from the .deb ? |
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| 22:21.30 | Seb | Gamerscomplete: linux knows you didn't buy the CDs, so it removes them |
| 22:21.41 | pipeline | Gamerscomplete: Are you using ReiserFS? |
| 22:21.47 | cureless | lol |
| 22:21.51 | Seb | Automated Handling of Copyright Violations, it's called |
| 22:21.52 | Gamerscomplete | no im using ext3 I think |
| 22:21.57 | cureless | Gamerscomplete: did you put them in /tmp? |
| 22:22.01 | horror_vacui | HeavyD: Yes. If the semi-important data is really semi-important, you should care for semi-reliability more than for semi-performance. |
| 22:22.04 | Gamerscomplete | I have like 20gb and everytime I keep going into my music more are missing |
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| 22:22.10 | Seb | horror_vacui: :D |
| 22:22.13 | Gamerscomplete | no there in /home/use/music |
| 22:22.19 | HeavyD | rofl horror_vacui: thanks. |
| 22:22.24 | HeavyD | hmm. Well i'm out.. thanks for the help guys, like usual. :D Bye |
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| 22:22.31 | candc540 | hey gamerscomplete did that fix it? |
| 22:22.40 | Gamerscomplete | the screen res? |
| 22:22.41 | pipeline | HeavyD: ReiserFS is always the wrong choice. |
| 22:22.43 | cureless | Gamerscomplete: are you sure? are there any other users? |
| 22:23.01 | pipeline | HeavyD: There are three options: JFS 2, XFS, and ext3. If you don't know which to pick, ext3 is always a safe bet. |
| 22:23.04 | Gamerscomplete | nope no other users just songs keep turning up missing folders turn up missing and I cant figure it out |
| 22:23.09 | cafuego | #!&*$^(#%&~^$&*%$!*%@^!*%#&$%& |
| 22:23.22 | Seb | cafuego: there, there |
| 22:23.24 | horror_vacui | pipeline: So is smoking, but I like it. Why do people always have to pronounce their own tastes as if they were the measure of all things? |
| 22:23.34 | Gamerscomplete | I decided to do a test I downloaded all my music onto my desktop and in like a month img onna try to FTP them back to the server and if theres any that it doesnt have I know for sure its doing it |
| 22:23.36 | pipeline | horror_vacui: I think you made the best possible analogy. |
| 22:23.40 | cafuego | The stereo got ripped out of the car (and the lock busted) AGAIN |
| 22:23.45 | cureless | Gamerscomplete: that's really really strange to say the least. Did this happen just today (April fool's?) |
| 22:23.49 | cafuego | Fucking junkie cunts |
| 22:23.52 | Gamerscomplete | I know how that is cafuego |
| 22:23.53 | pipeline | horror_vacui: I generally advise people I like not to start smoking as well. |
| 22:23.57 | Gamerscomplete | that happened to me not to long ago |
| 22:24.04 | Seb | cafuego: shite |
| 22:24.06 | cafuego | Gamerscomplete: note 'again'. |
| 22:24.07 | Seb | cafuego: where's that ? |
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| 22:24.20 | cafuego | Seb: Melbourne, inner city |
| 22:24.35 | Gamerscomplete | ya |
| 22:24.42 | Gamerscomplete | I just stopped putting a stereo in my car |
| 22:25.01 | horror_vacui | pipeline: I advise people on pros and cons. "xxx is always the wrong choice" is a crap thing to say. |
| 22:25.20 | cafuego | Well, they didn't steal the speakers, which are by far the more expensive bit |
| 22:25.35 | Gamerscomplete | heh my whole setup got stolen |
| 22:25.42 | cureless | the speakers normally make the biggest sound difference. |
| 22:25.46 | Gamerscomplete | 2 amps, 2 audiobahn speakers, and my deck |
| 22:25.49 | pipeline | horror_vacui: There's a lot of options as far as linux filesystems. Some of them are the wrong option. For example, MinixFS and ReiserFS are poor choices. |
| 22:25.49 | Seb | cafuego: hmm... I roll with the original stereo that was in the car to begin with, and luckily it has a jack input, so I can use the iPod. In itself the stereo is worthless :) |
| 22:25.51 | Gamerscomplete | oh and a sub |
| 22:25.54 | cureless | that and the kind of music you listen to. |
| 22:26.04 | Seb | cureless: ;) |
| 22:26.27 | Gamerscomplete | oh and im in the control center in gnome and theres nothing for screen settings |
| 22:26.30 | cureless | Gamerscomplete: I think you're just unlucky |
| 22:26.50 | cureless | They stole the screen settings too |
| 22:26.52 | Seb | Gamerscomplete: your box might have been rotted, if you're *certain* some files are disappearing and you're the only user |
| 22:26.55 | Gamerscomplete | lol more then likely cureless |
| 22:26.58 | Seb | rooted, even |
| 22:27.04 | Gamerscomplete | ya no shit they took the damn screen settings |
| 22:27.18 | cureless | Gamerscomplete: how did you install gnome? |
| 22:27.23 | Gamerscomplete | whatcha mean rooted? |
| 22:27.33 | Seb | hacked, owned, gotten |
| 22:27.36 | Seb | :) |
| 22:27.38 | Gamerscomplete | I installed it with the disks |
| 22:27.44 | Gamerscomplete | oh |
| 22:27.46 | cureless | what disks? |
| 22:27.51 | Gamerscomplete | well I would tend to think that cept its just random not the whole thing |
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| 22:27.59 | Seb | cureless: *the* disks, ya know :> |
| 22:28.01 | Gamerscomplete | and its not just once it seems to happen all the time |
| 22:28.08 | Seb | Gamerscomplete: well, a really evil hacker could do just this |
| 22:28.09 | Gamerscomplete | and im on a dynamic IP |
| 22:28.17 | Seb | Gamerscomplete: dude, this doens't matter |
| 22:28.23 | horror_vacui | pipeline: Reiser works splendidly for me, far better then ext3. Besides, it's a designed with journalling in mind, which differs from ext3 being an ancient fs with a journal duct-taped to it. That doesn't necessarily make it bad, but it's not ultima ratio either, only because fewer people had problems with it than with a heavily developed fs like reiser. |
| 22:28.23 | Gamerscomplete | the disks you download |
| 22:28.26 | Gamerscomplete | for woody |
| 22:28.29 | Gamerscomplete | with jigdo |
| 22:28.32 | Seb | Gamerscomplete: if you've been rooted, dynamic IP or nto, yo're not gonna escape the rimming |
| 22:28.33 | cureless | Gamerscomplete: gettin rooted is always a possibility, dynamic ip or not, but I don't think that's your problem. |
| 22:28.48 | calin | How do you redirect error io to stdout? |
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| 22:28.58 | Seb | cafuego: foo > bar 2>&1 |
| 22:29.02 | cureless | calin: program 2&>1 |
| 22:29.06 | calin | thank you |
| 22:29.14 | Seb | cafuego: yeah, what cureless said, mine redirects it all to a file |
| 22:29.17 | cafuego | Seb: Eh! |
| 22:29.23 | pipeline | horror_vacui: hahahhahahahahhahhahahah |
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| 22:29.30 | cafuego | !fix Sebs tab |
| 22:29.41 | horror_vacui | pipeline: Over and out. |
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| 22:29.50 | Seb | cafuego: :) |
| 22:30.12 | Seb | horror_vacui: he's arguing stableness, you're arguing speed and journaling |
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| 22:31.06 | Seb | cafuego: so, ya gonna try a new stereo, and test the "3rd time's a charm" thing ? :> |
| 22:31.18 | cureless | calin: btw it's 2>&1, not 2&>1 |
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| 22:31.57 | Seb | cureless: note how neither of us asked if he used t?csh :D |
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| 22:32.09 | horror_vacui | Seb: I know, a typical debianite. But I don't care about running ancient software, all for sakes of stability telltales and uptime boastings. I don't know why so many people take their own situation and experiences as valid for everyone. |
| 22:32.12 | cureless | Seb: I use zsh |
| 22:32.30 | Seb | cureless: i do too. I was saying he might use a csh-based shell :) |
| 22:32.45 | cafuego | Since when is reiser faster then ext3? |
| 22:32.47 | calin | `if javac -d ../tmp/ *.java 2>&1 ../comperrs` doesn't work correctly |
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| 22:32.55 | Seb | horror_vacui: well, stability of the *FS* is somewhat important |
| 22:33.06 | calin | it's not writing to a file just saying java cant compile it |
| 22:33.07 | Seb | calin: look again at my line |
| 22:33.20 | cafuego | horror_vacui: What are you going to do after a bad shutdown, when your filesystem is broken and requires fsck? Reinstall? |
| 22:33.26 | calin | Seb: looking |
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| 22:34.18 | horror_vacui | Seb: Sure it it. I installed a linux server with all-ext3 today, because I want no experiments. There's something to be said for ext3, no question. But statements like "reiserfs is always the wrong choice" are just pure crap. |
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| 22:34.53 | Seb | horror_vacui: well, I'd have agreed to thi minutes earleir, but cafuego brought up an interesting point... |
| 22:35.11 | calin | Seb: so like, `command > stdout.pedo 2>&1 > errout.pedo` |
| 22:35.17 | cafuego | horror_vacui: Your argument is valid for pretty much EVERY non-reiser filesystem. |
| 22:35.18 | Seb | calin: nah |
| 22:35.20 | horror_vacui | cafuego: ..and the assumption is of course that reiserfs is the one that will break. Never did here, and I don't think it will. |
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| 22:35.27 | Seb | javac -d ../tmp/ *.java > ../comperrs 2>&1 |
| 22:35.45 | gtigene | What is the configuration file that controls the default printer used by "lpr"? |
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| 22:36.04 | cafuego | horror_vacui: All filesystems require fsck at some stage. Do you think you're magically impervious? |
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| 22:36.08 | Seb | calin: you asked to "merge" stdout and stderr. Are you now asking to *separate* them into distinct files ? |
| 22:36.46 | Henning | gtigene: It's been a long while but I think /etc/printcap |
| 22:36.47 | pipeline | horror_vacui: You just complained that you don't like people inductively applying their own, anecdotal evidence to the general case |
| 22:36.50 | cafuego | Seb: I'm not, I've only had coffee. |
| 22:36.51 | mcg | gtigene: The default printer is the one called "lp", config is in /etc/printcap if using lpd. |
| 22:36.53 | Henning | gtigene: Nowadays I use cups. |
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| 22:37.00 | pdb | hello |
| 22:37.01 | pipeline | horror_vacui: And then segued into claims that ReiserFS must be good because it hasn't shit on you yet. |
| 22:37.01 | gtigene | Henning, thanks I will have a look at the manpage |
| 22:37.03 | pipeline | horror_vacui: Lovely, that. |
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| 22:37.08 | pdb | hello |
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| 22:37.31 | pdb | i want to connect to my server via ftp |
| 22:37.39 | pdb | i was using lftp |
| 22:37.41 | cureless | Seb: hmm, I had never realized csh can't send stderr to a different place than cosole or stdout. |
| 22:37.50 | horror_vacui | pipeline: I'm presenting the anecdotal evidence, I'm not forming it into an apparently authoritative statement. |
| 22:37.51 | dwu | csh sucks |
| 22:37.52 | FieldySnuts | ncftp is a good console client, gftp is a good gui client |
| 22:37.57 | FieldySnuts | there are others |
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| 22:38.00 | Seb | cureless: heh, ain't you glad you know it now ? :) |
| 22:38.01 | dwu | dont ever ever ever ever use csh in scripts |
| 22:38.02 | caphuso | lftp is a better console client |
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| 22:38.06 | purestorm | I cannot read from my USB "mass storage" camera. /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 are there, but when trying to mount /dev/sda1, I get a message "no media found" |
| 22:38.09 | pipeline | horror_vacui: For me, it's very simple: Hans Reiser is an obvious fool, ReiserFS has had problems in the past, and ReiserFS has no useful recovery tools. From those three bits of evidence, I hypothesize that ReiserFS cannot possibly be suitable for any situation. |
| 22:38.10 | Seb | lftp |
| 22:38.13 | purestorm | How can I find any further clue? |
| 22:38.13 | aokaze | hello everyone |
| 22:38.19 | cafuego | !pop FieldySnuts |
| 22:38.20 | FieldySnuts | @clue purestorm |
| 22:38.24 | citral | !cluebat purestorm |
| 22:38.25 | FieldySnuts | er? |
| 22:38.27 | pdb | i do not remember how to connect |
| 22:38.43 | cureless | Seb: not really, but I'm glad I never had to find out the hard way (after writing a long script in csh) |
| 22:38.50 | Seb | heh |
| 22:38.56 | purestorm | I have a testing system with a 2.6 kernel, so a woody guide won't help :/ |
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| 22:39.16 | FieldySnuts | nice. two of the three nameservers I have listed in resolv.conf refuse lookups now, both started the same day. they're on seperate networks, how irritating |
| 22:39.46 | cureless | dwu: I was just mentioning that I had never realized those limitations of csh since I've always used zsh. |
| 22:39.48 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Did they get rooted by a worm? |
| 22:39.49 | Seb | purestorm: what partitions are on /dev/sda ? |
| 22:39.58 | horror_vacui | pipeline: That sounds better. |
| 22:40.07 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: no idea, I don't run them. they were just nice enough to do lookups for people off their network |
| 22:40.23 | aokaze | I have a colorado tape drive and the plug indicates that it works with FDD controaler I think by the number of pins. I am wondering how I set it up in bios and also record data to the tape drive |
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| 22:40.31 | FieldySnuts | guess i'll use that mit one as primary, my isp's as a second, and somebody elses as third |
| 22:40.56 | purestorm | Seb: It is a stock camera. /dev holds sda and sda1, so only one partition. the camera is useable under Windows and worked before my 2.6 upgrade. So I guess there is sda1 and nothing more. |
| 22:41.16 | FieldySnuts | 141.217.1.15 is another good one (wayne.edu) |
| 22:42.59 | FieldySnuts | nice. all the nameservers my isp run still refuse to do any lookups for their own damn customers |
| 22:43.06 | FieldySnuts | jackasses |
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| 22:43.43 | Pappa | i give up |
| 22:43.48 | FieldySnuts | on? |
| 22:43.52 | cureless | FieldySnuts: how can that be possible? How do they expect the customers to do dns lookups? What kind of company is that? |
| 22:43.57 | Pappa | wlan-ng. piece of shit. |
| 22:44.08 | FieldySnuts | cureless: morons |
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| 22:45.13 | Pappa | when it fails, it doesnt work, and when it appears to be successful, it Does Not Work (® AbsoluteSystems) |
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| 22:45.48 | Inf3cted_FX | Hello ppl |
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| 22:46.09 | FieldySnuts | i've been majorly disappointed with getting wireless to work in linux, from lame tools, to lame hardware that often needs binary firmware uploaded to them, to the general insecurity of it all, I think I'll stick to wires |
| 22:46.26 | Pappa | ««insert pissed-off statement here»» |
| 22:46.32 | tjmaster | helo |
| 22:46.38 | tjmaster | alguien habla espanol? |
| 22:46.42 | Pappa | !es |
| 22:46.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:46.43 | SuperSox | !se |
| 22:46.43 | dpkg | se is, like, Social Engineering |
| 22:46.44 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: I've not seen much problem with sensibly-purchased 802.11b gear, but 802.11g is a different matter. |
| 22:47.12 | SuperSox | my 802.11b works fine |
| 22:47.23 | SuperSox | with the noted exception that it only supports 102bit Wep |
| 22:47.29 | SuperSox | or something equally as daft |
| 22:47.38 | carlos-d-man | I have a new software repository @ ~/ubuntu, how may I add it to synaptic? : |
| 22:47.44 | PerfDave | Well, WEP's a bunch of arse. |
| 22:47.46 | Pappa | wlan-ng. ``should work fine, but doesn't''®© |
| 22:47.52 | paulswm | I had a bit of trouble at first getting an unsupported 11g card to work, but it works great now |
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| 22:48.02 | PerfDave | carlos-d-man: You probably don't want to mix packages between Debian and Ubuntu, assuming you're running Debian in the first place. |
| 22:48.10 | SuperSox | I'm having troubles with DRI at the moment |
| 22:48.12 | markybob | carlos-d-man, ask in #ubuntu |
| 22:48.19 | SuperSox | racking my brain because I've had it working fine before |
| 22:49.43 | PerfDave | I've installed a replacement, second drive in my system and used debootstrap to install Sarge onto it. I've chrooted into the new installation but can't install any kernel-image packages because it can't access /proc properly, and grub won't install on the MBR of the new drive claiming that it doesn't have a BIOS letter. Any hints? |
| 22:49.47 | carlos-d-man | PerfDave I bet your answer is mostly relevant, the guys at #ubuntu are simply NOT answering any of my questions and I doubt it is because I dont have good ones |
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| 22:49.57 | PerfDave | carlos-d-man: Are you running Ubuntu? |
| 22:50.47 | Pappa | really great page this one: http://simply-amplified.blogspot.com/ |
| 22:51.14 | FieldySnuts | so that makes #debian your ubuntu help stop, yeah yeah we know. |
| 22:51.23 | carlos-d-man | PerfDave yes, and just installed ssh with synaptic and downloaded a .deb package for adsl to work from the ubuntu website, but my question is more synaptic-related, I just want to keep adding .deb ciles to that directory I mentioned and install from there, or am I just dreamming too much? heh |
| 22:51.24 | Seb | purestorm: what *type* of partition is /dev/sda1, was my question |
| 22:51.26 | SuperSox | !they don't know |
| 22:51.26 | EfaistOs | i've got some msg about locales when trying to make an iso image ... can someone give me a tip to bypass that message ? |
| 22:51.26 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 22:51.38 | FieldySnuts | SuperSox: didn't know about that factoid, thanks |
| 22:51.50 | SuperSox | FieldySnuts: I've been lurking heavily ;) |
| 22:51.51 | purestorm | Seb: Seb it says "brw-rw----" so I guess block |
| 22:51.56 | purestorm | uhm |
| 22:51.58 | purestorm | no, that's device |
| 22:51.59 | PerfDave | carlos-d-man: Failure of #ubuntu to support your Ubuntu installation doesn't mean it's anything to do with us. Ubuntu and Debian handle packages in different ways. |
| 22:52.07 | Witigonen | What's the standard php these days? 3? |
| 22:52.08 | purestorm | I could always mount it as "vfat" |
| 22:52.12 | Witigonen | And 4 is the new one? |
| 22:52.12 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: do you enjoy talking at a wall? |
| 22:52.16 | purestorm | Witigonen: 4.3 |
| 22:52.18 | purestorm | 5 is new |
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| 22:52.18 | FieldySnuts | Witigonen: 4/5 |
| 22:52.21 | vinvin | hi |
| 22:52.25 | Witigonen | purestorm: thanks. |
| 22:52.30 | SuperSox | The other argument is great "But unbuntu is based on debian" |
| 22:52.42 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Walls occasionally have something interesting to say. Unlike Ubuntu users. |
| 22:52.44 | Seb | purestorm: lemme see how I can ask this more clearly... |
| 22:52.49 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: could be |
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| 22:53.00 | SuperSox | So? Debian/Linux is based on the linux kernel, but you wouldn't come here asking for SuSE support |
| 22:53.00 | PerfDave | Oh grub, oh grub, why do you suck so hard? |
| 22:53.06 | drini | and mandrake is based on redhat... |
| 22:53.06 | Seb | purestorm: run sudo cfdisk /dev/sda and tell my what *type* (FAT, etc...) sda1 is |
| 22:53.06 | vinvin | how can i read blocks of a deleted file on hard drive in order to recover ext3 ? |
| 22:53.18 | cafuego | Oh joy, car break-ins are handled via the phone these days <heh> |
| 22:53.20 | SuperSox | PerfDave: we all know lilo swallows though ;) |
| 22:53.21 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: if he refuses to say what he's running, assume it isn't debian. |
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| 22:53.35 | Seb | cafuego: no need to go talk to your local friendly policemen ? |
| 22:53.36 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: handled with a 12 guage shotgun here |
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| 22:53.45 | PerfDave | lilo is my bitch. The bootloader, not the ircop. |
| 22:53.48 | FieldySnuts | @dict guage |
| 22:53.53 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: heh I was gonna say |
| 22:53.53 | ravenbird | could not find definition for guage |
| 22:53.57 | SuperSox | PerfDave: I was talking about the bootloader also ;) |
| 22:53.58 | FieldySnuts | blah |
| 22:53.58 | FieldySnuts | gauge |
| 22:54.02 | cafuego | Seb: Not face2face anyway (unless you explicitly ask they attend) |
| 22:54.04 | purestorm | Seb: I get" FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive" |
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| 22:54.24 | candc540 | ahhh just found gimpshop |
| 22:54.26 | candc540 | great |
| 22:54.26 | Seb | purestorm: so nothing exists for /dev/sda, just the block device that's there |
| 22:54.31 | Seb | purestorm: you need kernel support for it |
| 22:54.37 | Seb | like usb mass storage or something |
| 22:54.41 | candc540 | love it finally now gimp is useful |
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| 22:55.00 | purestorm | lsmod | grep usb gives me |
| 22:55.03 | purestorm | usb_storage 69056 0 |
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| 22:55.22 | purestorm | Seb: so it seems the usb storage module is loaded |
| 22:55.38 | Seb | purestorm: well, obviously it doesn't make it appear at /dev/sda though |
| 22:55.49 | Seb | purestorm: unplug the camera, tail -f /var/log/syslog, and replug it |
| 22:56.04 | Seb | you should see how/where hotplug puts it, if it recognises it |
| 22:56.11 | FieldySnuts | i use this to get th emodules i need loaded for my camera echo "ohci-hcd sg sd_mod sr_mod usb-storage" | xargs -n 1 modprobe -v |
| 22:56.22 | FieldySnuts | some of those things you might have compiled in, or as a module or neither. |
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| 22:56.39 | Seb | FieldySnuts: hotplug usually takes care of this, IIRC |
| 22:56.44 | purestorm | Seb: I get: |
| 22:56.45 | purestorm | Apr 2 00:56:11 lummerland udev[5685]: creating device node '/dev/sda' |
| 22:56.45 | purestorm | Apr 2 00:56:11 lummerland udev[5700]: configured rule in '/etc/udev/rules.d/00_camera.rules[1]' applied, added symlink 'camera' |
| 22:56.47 | FieldySnuts | not that i've seen |
| 22:56.48 | purestorm | Apr 2 00:56:11 lummerland udev[5700]: configured rule in '/etc/udev/rules.d/00_camera.rules[1]' applied, 'sda1' becomes '%k' |
| 22:56.50 | FieldySnuts | udev lol |
| 22:56.51 | purestorm | Apr 2 00:56:11 lummerland udev[5700]: creating device node '/dev/sda1' |
| 22:57.05 | Seb | purestorm: 2.6.9 ? |
| 22:57.11 | FieldySnuts | at least it's more verbose than devfsd... |
| 22:57.21 | Seb | purestorm: refrain from pasting, in order not to lose sympathy from us |
| 22:57.22 | purestorm | 2.6.8 |
| 22:57.26 | purestorm | OK, sorry |
| 22:57.36 | purestorm | Thought 3 lines wer ok. I'll pastebin next time. |
| 22:57.42 | Seb | purestorm: i don't know udev |
| 22:57.45 | Seb | purestorm: that was 4 |
| 22:57.46 | SuperSox | ok, I've got an interesting question, DRI doesn't work for me, although it should - I don't get any error messages anywhere saying that it doesn't load ;D |
| 22:57.48 | FieldySnuts | @hump udev |
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| 22:58.14 | Seb | SuperSox: not even /var/log/XFr* ? |
| 22:58.18 | purestorm | So, how can I get rid of udev or however get the camera working? |
| 22:58.23 | SuperSox | Seb: nope |
| 22:58.26 | purestorm | go back to Kernel 2.4? |
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| 22:58.32 | FieldySnuts | no one said udev was the problem, just he doesn't know it (nor do I) |
| 22:58.37 | Seb | purestorm: you still can't mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt ? |
| 22:58.38 | purestorm | OK |
| 22:58.49 | FieldySnuts | i saw it said sda1 was there, should be able to mount that partition, as long as your kernel has the file system support |
| 22:58.57 | purestorm | nope, does not work, Seb |
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| 22:59.10 | Seb | FieldySnuts: what bugs me here is that cfdisk refuses to read /dev/sda :\ |
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| 22:59.14 | drac | purestorm: modprobe vfat && modprobe sd_mod and try again what Seb suggested. |
| 22:59.15 | Seb | purestorm: how does it not work ? |
| 22:59.19 | SuperSox | Seb: I litterally can't find any information on why direct rendering isn't turned on, according to my logs it should be |
| 22:59.33 | Seb | SuperSox: how do you know it ain't loaded then ? |
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| 22:59.39 | purestorm | Seb: it says "no media found" |
| 22:59.39 | FieldySnuts | heh goofy mit hostnames |
| 22:59.51 | Seb | FieldySnuts: vo.mit.edu ? :) |
| 23:00.01 | SuperSox | Seb, supersox@lyra:~$ glxinfo | grep direct\ rendering |
| 23:00.01 | SuperSox | direct rendering: No |
| 23:00.03 | FieldySnuts | fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu , look it up heh |
| 23:00.05 | cureless | ker.mit.edu? |
| 23:01.33 | candc540 | any other suggestions for a good wireless config gui because kwirelessmonitor didn't wokr |
| 23:01.33 | FieldySnuts | good and wireless, those are mutually exclusive |
| 23:01.33 | vinvin | how can i read blocks of a deleted file on hard drive in order to recover ext3 ? |
| 23:01.33 | Seb | candc540: you mean other than emacs /etc/netowrk/interface ? |
| 23:01.46 | cafuego | Seb: GUI - xemacs |
| 23:01.49 | FieldySnuts | @lart fucked up gkrellm fonts |
| 23:01.53 | Eclipser | vim /etc/network/interfaces ! |
| 23:01.56 | caphuso | vinvin: you can try ext3rminator, but you have to be very lucky for it work |
| 23:02.05 | vinvin | ok lol |
| 23:02.17 | drini | Eclipser: GUI - gvim |
| 23:02.19 | drini | hehehehhe |
| 23:02.33 | Eclipser | :) |
| 23:02.39 | dan2 | ~nslookup mirrorlynx.com |
| 23:02.46 | dan2 | cool cool |
| 23:02.54 | vinvin | i don't even find it |
| 23:02.58 | candc540 | anything that will scan like xp does |
| 23:03.00 | cafuego | dan2: Do you also mirror links ? |
| 23:03.06 | dan2 | cafuego: no |
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| 23:03.19 | Seb | cafuego: iwlist scan |
| 23:03.20 | dan2 | cafuego: the intention was to mirror sites, but I like the name |
| 23:03.21 | FieldySnuts | @nslookup badgers.on.nimp.org |
| 23:03.23 | ravenbird | badgers.on.nimp.org is 80.65.228.129 |
| 23:03.29 | drini | candc540: iwlist eth1 scanning ? |
| 23:03.29 | FieldySnuts | do NOT go to that web site. |
| 23:03.34 | dan2 | cafuego: I'm on fiber right now |
| 23:03.40 | dan2 | cafuego: 15mbit / 2 mbit |
| 23:03.40 | cafuego | !fix Sebs tab |
| 23:03.42 | Seb | FieldySnuts: that's treacherous |
| 23:03.43 | SuperSox | FieldySnuts: I'm going to go now, damn you. |
| 23:03.46 | vinvin | is there no easy way to dump a block device ? i can grep after... |
| 23:03.53 | FieldySnuts | all i know is I did it at work.. bad idea. |
| 23:03.54 | Seb | cafuego: 3rd time *will* be a charm :> |
| 23:03.56 | cafuego | dan2: Yes. Q3/2005 here |
| 23:03.57 | PerfDave | candc540: Why not just get kwirelessmonitor to work? |
| 23:03.57 | candc540 | iwlist scan don't work with my card orinoco gold running with cvs drivers but cvs drivers not working in 2.6.10 from what i hear |
| 23:04.09 | Seb | vinvin: dd ? |
| 23:04.12 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 23:04.20 | vinvin | oh yes of course ! thanks :) |
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| 23:04.42 | Seb | candc540: so if the *drivers* for your card odn't work, how do you expect a *GUI* **userland** program to help ? |
| 23:04.42 | SuperSox | humm, its opened loads and loads of nasty images |
| 23:04.52 | drini | he told you not to go |
| 23:05.00 | SuperSox | except I can't see any of them because its opened so many |
| 23:05.04 | candc540 | i dunno |
| 23:05.11 | SuperSox | drini: thats like saying "Don't push the red button" ;) |
| 23:05.19 | cafuego | candc540: The orinoco drivers from savannah should work fine. |
| 23:05.25 | Seb | candc540: good. SO focus on getting a working drivers+kernel combination before askign for a gui scanner, would you ? |
| 23:05.28 | drini | supersox. if mozilla-like press control-w until you get tired |
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| 23:05.50 | Seb | so this was a javascript trap ? |
| 23:05.50 | SuperSox | or just close mozilla tis fine |
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| 23:06.03 | SuperSox | I've got firefox set to open new windows in new tabs instead |
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| 23:06.09 | candc540 | even with 8.72 firmware? |
| 23:06.15 | greg | All:Hi |
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| 23:06.23 | sun_ | hi how do i get testing to not start xdm? |
| 23:06.26 | Seb | mouth open, waiting for the fish to be slinged |
| 23:06.32 | drini | install rcconf |
| 23:06.36 | drini | and then deselect xdm |
| 23:06.37 | Terr1 | Anyone know if the Marvell yukon 1gbit PCI-E netcard can use sk98lin driver as well or does it need a special driver? |
| 23:06.37 | Seb | or "slung" maybe ? |
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| 23:06.41 | cafuego | candc540: They work fine with 2.6.11 and whatever firmware my cards have. |
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| 23:06.50 | greg | sun_:update-rc.d -f remove xdm |
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| 23:07.03 | cafuego | Why do people get PCI-E and PCI-X mixed up? |
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| 23:07.07 | YamahaRx800 | is there a graphical encoder for flacs? |
| 23:07.09 | FieldySnuts | they're blind |
| 23:07.14 | cafuego | Do we blame Intel? |
| 23:07.18 | Seb | sure |
| 23:07.21 | Seb | let's blame intel |
| 23:07.24 | cafuego | !blame Intel |
| 23:07.24 | Seb | it always feels good |
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| 23:07.26 | SuperSox | cafuego: why do people get religion and war mixed up? |
| 23:07.37 | Seb | SuperSox: because it's fun |
| 23:07.41 | SuperSox | heh |
| 23:07.46 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: penixsmite SuperSox |
| 23:07.47 | cafuego | SuperSox: You should ask people who have one, not me, i wouldn't know. |
| 23:07.47 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you using Windows? |
| 23:07.52 | PerfDave | YamahaRx800: There may be a generic graphical encoder interface, which you could use for anything. |
| 23:07.52 | FieldySnuts | damn |
| 23:08.00 | Seb | FieldySnuts: bashed :) |
| 23:08.03 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: <heh> |
| 23:08.07 | SuperSox | I had some people from the Jesus Christ Church of latter day saints today |
| 23:08.14 | FieldySnuts | SuperSox: how'd they taste? |
| 23:08.21 | SuperSox | FieldySnuts: a bit salty |
| 23:08.22 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:08.25 | YamahaRx800 | perfdave:thanks |
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| 23:09.03 | SuperSox | It was vaugely interesting |
| 23:09.11 | cafuego | salty saints, hmmm |
| 23:09.12 | drasko | where to find gtk-config? |
| 23:09.17 | SuperSox | mostly because I didn't give them the answers they were expecting |
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| 23:09.32 | synic | drasko: gtk1.4-dev ? |
| 23:09.36 | SuperSox | "Do you belive in god?" |
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| 23:09.55 | cafuego | SuperSox: You just kept staring at them, drooling, whispering "meat ..." |
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| 23:10.06 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:10.08 | SuperSox | "I belive in the possiblity of some form of celestial being, but quantifying it as 'god' doesn't seem right" |
| 23:10.08 | drasko | synic, configure: error: Cannot find correct version of GTK - is gtk-config in path? |
| 23:10.21 | synic | drasko: gtk1.4-dev ? |
| 23:10.25 | SuperSox | I think they were expecting me to say Yes or No |
| 23:10.37 | drasko | synic, I don't know... |
| 23:10.46 | synic | drasko: I'm pretty sure that's where it is. |
| 23:10.53 | drasko | so? |
| 23:11.03 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 23:11.05 | FieldySnuts | er i mean |
| 23:11.08 | SuperSox | AHAHA |
| 23:11.15 | Pecisk | actually, I wonder usually why people care when someone else believes in God or not |
| 23:11.21 | thingfish | good one |
| 23:11.22 | Pecisk | it is personal |
| 23:11.32 | drasko | synic, any suggestion? Where to look for this file? Should i apt-get this? |
| 23:11.36 | SuperSox | indeedy, but lets not get into the conversation |
| 23:11.43 | Pecisk | :) |
| 23:11.44 | Pecisk | :D |
| 23:11.45 | SuperSox | FieldySnuts: btw bash.org'd :) |
| 23:11.46 | cafuego | Pecisk: Because religions are viruses that need to spread in order to survive. |
| 23:11.46 | Witigonen | Question. How do I start apache with php? apache -D PHP4? |
| 23:11.52 | synic | drasko: that's basically what I was saying... if you want gtk-config, you'll need to install gtk1.4-dev |
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| 23:12.09 | synic | drasko: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 23:12.16 | Witigonen | And how do I make that automatic? |
| 23:12.17 | United | anyone here using 'mydns' ? |
| 23:12.30 | United | [01/18:12:22] <M-A-D-O-N-N-> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 23:12.36 | United | spammer :\ |
| 23:12.41 | FieldySnuts | thanks for helping him spam. |
| 23:12.45 | candc540 | ok went to savannah.gnu.org and can't find it |
| 23:12.50 | cafuego | !ops M-A-D-O-N-N- Spammer |
| 23:12.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: M-A-D-O-N-N- Spammer |
| 23:12.52 | United | tyring to get him banned wise guy |
| 23:12.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 23:13.04 | candc540 | what modules should i get |
| 23:13.06 | *** kick/#debian [M-A-D-O-N-N-!foobar@p5481D4C2.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 23:13.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@n219078222108.netvigator.com] by caphuso |
| 23:13.08 | drasko | synic, clavier, a program for midi plying over a computer keyboard... |
| 23:13.10 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 23:13.12 | FieldySnuts | then please, please in the future, just say he's doing it. by pasting it, you're helping him spam |
| 23:13.13 | mentor | good stuff |
| 23:13.15 | cafuego | United: Normally pasting his spam into the channel is not the way to go about that. |
| 23:13.21 | synic | drasko: and it's not already in apt? |
| 23:13.37 | United | blah next time i wont bother geeze |
| 23:13.42 | United | anyways, anyone use mydns in here? |
| 23:13.43 | FieldySnuts | whiner |
| 23:13.47 | United | i am :( |
| 23:13.48 | helix | United: nah, next time just do: !ops foo is a spammer |
| 23:14.00 | helix | United: sometimes we're not looking and the !ops thing gives us a nick hilight |
| 23:14.02 | United | oh sweet :) will do |
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| 23:14.18 | cilkay | Is there a tool like Red Hat/FC's kickstart or Mandrake's autoinstall for Debian? |
| 23:14.32 | SuperSox | apt-get install * |
| 23:14.32 | caphuso | cilkay: /msg dpkg fai |
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| 23:14.46 | cilkay | caphuso, thank you |
| 23:14.47 | arnon | is there anyway to get all the subnets, given a full domain name? |
| 23:14.49 | drasko | synic, No... |
| 23:15.17 | cafuego | arnon: no |
| 23:15.35 | cafuego | arnon: Well... if you're willing to do some work, yes. |
| 23:16.28 | drasko | synic, also, there is not a package gtk1.4-dev... |
| 23:16.48 | synic | drasko: that's probably not the exact name. It was a guess. bust out apt-cache search. |
| 23:17.02 | drasko | synic, ok... |
| 23:17.14 | cureless | arnon: there is if you have admin access to the domain, but somehow I don't think that's what you were asking. |
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| 23:18.38 | cafuego | arnon: You could guesstimate the netwprk name from the netblock a whois would fine, then grep for that name in the APNIC etc databases |
| 23:19.05 | FieldySnuts | @crush apnic |
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| 23:19.21 | PerfDave | I'm trying to run GRUB on a large drive in an old machine, onto which I've debootstrapped Sarge from a working install. To get the machine to boot, I have to use jumper settings so the drive pretends to the BIOS that it is smaller than it actually is. Grub is installed in the MBR, but when I boot from the drive I just get "GRUB Hard Disk Error". Any idea what this means and how I can fix it? |
| 23:19.22 | candc540 | cafuego: what version of the orinoco driver are you using? |
| 23:19.30 | candc540 | 0.15rc3? |
| 23:19.30 | tarzeau | k3k0_: got grub workin'? |
| 23:19.47 | k3k0_ | tarzeau, yeah |
| 23:19.53 | k3k0_ | why asking? |
| 23:19.58 | GrayThunder | why would rsync cause a computer to crash? |
| 23:20.04 | tarzeau | k3k0_: well you were whining yesternight |
| 23:20.13 | arnon | cureless, I do have admin access to the domain |
| 23:20.19 | cafuego | candc540: 0.15-rc2 |
| 23:20.30 | nydust | how can i see how much space i have left? |
| 23:20.35 | k3k0_ | tarzeau, all working fine now :) |
| 23:20.38 | FieldySnuts | GrayThunder: I use it extensively, never seen that |
| 23:20.39 | cafuego | nydust: 'df -h' |
| 23:20.44 | greg | nydust: df -h |
| 23:20.48 | GrayThunder | every time i try to rsync to/from one of my linux computers, the machine crashes |
| 23:21.10 | GrayThunder | 7 others work every time |
| 23:21.17 | drini | it's haunted |
| 23:21.18 | k3k0_ | how i can install full xfce in debian ? |
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| 23:21.50 | astro | is there a really simple webserver that can answer any request with the same page? |
| 23:21.50 | FieldySnuts | "same page"? |
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| 23:21.59 | astro | FieldySnuts: return an html page, no matter what the request is |
| 23:22.11 | ApEtc | astro: The 404 page? :) |
| 23:22.12 | tarzeau | astro: you can do that with some simple shell scripting |
| 23:22.17 | caphuso | netcat! |
| 23:22.18 | astro | tarzeau: oh? |
| 23:22.21 | FieldySnuts | dunno apache 1.3 maybe, small enough. others will have other ideas, pick n chose |
| 23:22.25 | astro | caphuso: debian netcat doesn't have -L |
| 23:22.27 | astro | just -l |
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| 23:22.54 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.57 | buu | ! |
| 23:23.09 | astro | buu: holly crap |
| 23:23.13 | astro | will that work? |
| 23:23.16 | buu | sure |
| 23:23.25 | astro | ok, where do i put the page i want? |
| 23:23.26 | buu | That actually does multiple webpages, if you wanted just one it would be much simpler |
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| 23:23.54 | buu | perl -MIO::All -e'io(":8080")->fork->accept(sub { $_[0] < io("myfilehere") })' |
| 23:23.59 | astro | thanks |
| 23:24.23 | buu | It needs IO::All and friends, there's a couple of other tiny perl servers that rely on slightly more "standard" modules, google. |
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| 23:25.24 | astro | buu: is that a command line? |
| 23:25.29 | astro | cause it failed when i tried to run it |
| 23:25.35 | buu | And how did it fail..? |
| 23:25.46 | FieldySnuts | id10t.h? |
| 23:25.56 | astro | Can't locate IO/All.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .). |
| 23:26.09 | buu | astro: That doesn't suggest a solution? |
| 23:26.13 | astro | oh, it needs IO:ALL |
| 23:26.20 | astro | saw that when i switched back |
| 23:26.21 | astro | working in screen |
| 23:26.22 | caphuso | astro: what exactly is -L supposed to do? |
| 23:26.24 | astro | is it in apt? |
| 23:26.24 | drasko | synic, libgtk1.2-dev did the job. TNX! |
| 23:26.40 | astro | caphuso: it's lsiten hardeer, will keep listening after a connection ends |
| 23:26.53 | buu | astro: Er, maybe. |
| 23:26.56 | United | ns2:/# mydns -d |
| 23:26.56 | United | mydns[1340]: mydns 1.0.0 started Fri Apr 1 17:26:26 2005 (listening on 4 addresses) |
| 23:27.04 | United | anyone have any idea why it starts but it really does not? |
| 23:27.14 | caphuso | astro: ah, for people to uneducated to use a while loop in a shell script? |
| 23:27.21 | astro | caphuso: a fair point |
| 23:27.40 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.46 | caphuso | works just fine |
| 23:28.00 | buu | astro: Doesn't look like it. |
| 23:28.09 | caphuso | you could also use daemon(1) |
| 23:28.10 | buu | caphuso: That's not nearly as coolt hough. |
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| 23:28.32 | drasko | how to check my midi playback device? |
| 23:28.35 | caphuso | buu: but it doesn't require unpackaged perl modules :) |
| 23:28.36 | buu | (As just to point out, you need the headers in index.de.shtml) |
| 23:28.46 | buu | caphuso: =[ |
| 23:28.57 | buu | caphuso: Yeah, but the example I gave did every file + cgi! |
| 23:28.59 | PerfDave | dh-make-perl |
| 23:29.34 | caphuso | buu: well, most browsers work just fine with IIS on the other end, so that netcat line should do alright :-) |
| 23:29.46 | buu | caphuso: you have a point. |
| 23:29.57 | astro | daemon? |
| 23:30.05 | caphuso | !info daemon |
| 23:30.08 | dpkg | daemon: (turns other processes into daemons), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 97 kB, Installed size: 300 kB |
| 23:30.19 | astro | No manual entry for daemon in section 1 |
| 23:30.30 | buu | daemon "netcat -l -p 80 < foo.html" ? |
| 23:30.44 | astro | i need the headers for foo.html too, don't i? |
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| 23:30.54 | astro | err, headers and such... |
| 23:31.05 | buu | astro: I would assume so, I doubt netcat sends the http headers. |
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| 23:31.10 | astro | ya |
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| 23:31.19 | drasko | anyone -- how to enable midi? I dont hear anything |
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| 23:32.20 | pipeline | drasko: Install timidity ? |
| 23:32.41 | nictuku | how can I make a certain netfilter new filter command stay in the top of its chain? like, if I have a "REJECT all" in the end of the chain, how can I free a certain port, by entering an ACCEPT rule *before* that one? |
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| 23:34.23 | sperm | can ya one help me get glxgears to work |
| 23:34.42 | citral | what a nick |
| 23:34.52 | sperm | anyone* |
| 23:35.03 | sperm | or help me configure glx? |
| 23:35.18 | greg | sperm:? |
| 23:35.22 | sperm | anyone* |
| 23:35.23 | FieldySnuts | nie nick |
| 23:35.25 | sperm | yep |
| 23:35.26 | sperm | :) |
| 23:35.29 | astro | blah |
| 23:35.33 | astro | the daemon doesn't loop it |
| 23:35.38 | greg | sperm: what ? |
| 23:35.43 | sperm | correcyt |
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| 23:35.52 | SuperSox | someone help him with his glx issues so I can sit and read them, because I can't get direct rendering working either :p |
| 23:35.54 | sperm | i install my nvidia drivers i think |
| 23:35.59 | greg | sperm: YEs |
| 23:36.12 | PerfDave | sperm: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:36.12 | sperm | then configure'd |
| 23:36.18 | greg | sperm:and GL too |
| 23:36.27 | sperm | PerfDave did that. |
| 23:36.35 | FieldySnuts | 58430 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11686.000 FPS |
| 23:36.36 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:36.44 | sperm | something is wrong. |
| 23:36.48 | FieldySnuts | course that's not fair. it was minimized. about 7700 not minimized |
| 23:36.51 | greg | sperm: what |
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| 23:36.55 | sperm | how can you tell if the everything is setup correct? |
| 23:37.10 | PerfDave | sperm: It works ;) |
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| 23:37.22 | sperm | x works of the card. |
| 23:37.32 | Hobart | anyone built Xorg successfully? I keep getting "No rule to make target `World'. Stop." |
| 23:37.43 | PerfDave | Hobart: Xorg isn't in Debian ;) |
| 23:37.57 | Hobart | PerfDave -> If it was, I wouldn't have to build it, yes. |
| 23:37.57 | kaner | Hobart: did you fire up configure? :P |
| 23:38.04 | drac | Hobart: /msg dpkg get xorg if you have to.. |
| 23:38.04 | Hobart | kaner -> X doesn't use autoconf |
| 23:38.11 | candc540 | why am i getting kernel-source not configured errors when trying to build orinoco drivers |
| 23:38.12 | pipeline | Hobart: What do you need X.org for? |
| 23:38.15 | greg | sperm: in XF86Config-4 => load glx but not GLCore |
| 23:38.20 | PerfDave | Hobart: Did you read the x.org insatllation instructions? |
| 23:38.23 | Hobart | pipeline -> working ATI 3D accel |
| 23:38.23 | PerfDave | Hobart: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 23:38.29 | greg | sperm: nor dri |
| 23:38.32 | pipeline | Hobart: You poor soul. There's no such thing. |
| 23:38.32 | Hobart | PerfDave -> Yes, am following them to the letter. |
| 23:38.38 | astro | ok, so what is the iptables line to redirect anything from source ip dest port 80? |
| 23:38.41 | candc540 | i downloaded source ln -s kernel-source-xxxx linux |
| 23:38.45 | candc540 | make menuconfig |
| 23:38.52 | pipeline | candc540: You wanted the kernel headers package. |
| 23:38.53 | drasko | pipeline, as I understand, Timidity is a softsynth for midi? |
| 23:38.58 | pipeline | drasko: Yup. |
| 23:39.00 | candc540 | ahhh |
| 23:39.22 | pipeline | candc540: The kernel-headers packages are pre-configured/compiled in order to build modules |
| 23:39.26 | drasko | pipeline, but I have Creative Live!, so it shoulh have synth... Right? |
| 23:39.32 | candc540 | that makes more sense |
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| 23:39.48 | candc540 | but if i compiled kernel from source then i wouldn't get this error right? |
| 23:39.50 | peterS | drasko: it should. question is whether the linux drivers support the synth. which they should. |
| 23:40.02 | peterS | drasko: which driver are you using? and which kernel version? |
| 23:40.16 | Hobart | PerfDave -> already doing a local build. |
| 23:40.21 | drasko | kernel 2.6 driver als |
| 23:40.25 | astro | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -s 192.168.0.6 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.1:8080 |
| 23:40.26 | drasko | a |
| 23:40.28 | astro | does that look right? |
| 23:40.44 | drasko | peterS, 2.6 and alsa |
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| 23:41.12 | SuperSox | If I dist-upgrade from Sarge to sid how likely am I to run into major problems? (major being complete operating system failure) |
| 23:41.25 | candc540 | ok so after a make && make install of orinoco drivers, i should do a update-modules |
| 23:41.32 | PerfDave | SuperSox: Moderately. Why would you want to? |
| 23:41.33 | candc540 | and then select the modules to load |
| 23:41.41 | peterS | drasko: do you have the snd_seq_device module loaded? |
| 23:41.50 | Hobart | drac -> thank you! |
| 23:41.51 | candc540 | via modconf or whatever i choose |
| 23:41.56 | SuperSox | PerfDave: no real reason. |
| 23:42.15 | thingfish | SuperSox: you will hit bugs, eventually, and sometimes grave functionality bugs at that. |
| 23:42.22 | peterS | drasko: also the snd_seq_oss module may be helpful, depending on your app |
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| 23:42.37 | greg | SuperSox: complete operating system failure => I don't think (all the base apps will probably work but beware) |
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| 23:42.44 | drasko | peterS, yes snd_seq and snd... |
| 23:42.55 | SuperSox | is it possible to dist-downgrade? heh |
| 23:43.05 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do you set up a usb game controler |
| 23:43.08 | peterS | SuperSox: not trivially and it's not supported |
| 23:43.24 | peterS | drasko: then 'playmidi' or your other favorite midi playback apps should work |
| 23:43.38 | SuperSox | peterS greg thingfish PerfDave: Thanks :) |
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| 23:43.55 | drasko | peterS, I also have oss module... but playmidi says -- playmidi: No playback device found. |
| 23:44.10 | candc540 | ok drivers installed how do i make sure that i loaded the right module for the new drivers? |
| 23:44.33 | candc540 | i should probably rmmod for my wireless stuff right? |
| 23:44.45 | pdb | how to rename a directory o to delete ? |
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| 23:44.49 | pdb | how to rename a directory o to delete ? |
| 23:44.55 | peterS | pdb: mv, rmdir |
| 23:44.59 | Witigonen | The_Ultimate_Sam: voodoo. And lots of it. You'll need some goat's blood. |
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| 23:45.15 | Akrame | hi all , i've got an ubuntu question , http://cakram.free.fr/Capture.png , how can i have a bigger police in my windows |
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| 23:45.27 | pipeline | candc540: blacklist the module you don't want loaded with /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ |
| 23:45.27 | peterS | drasko: try loading 'snd-emu10k1-synth' |
| 23:45.29 | candc540 | pdb rm -rf works for dirs too |
| 23:45.44 | caphuso | Akrame: #ubuntu |
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| 23:45.49 | pipeline | SuperSox: You're unlikely to run into something that stops the system dead. Sid is filled with tiny problems. |
| 23:45.50 | Akrame | caphuso |
| 23:45.55 | pipeline | Akrame: I suggest you install Debian. |
| 23:45.56 | caphuso | Akrame |
| 23:45.57 | candc540 | pipeline: i'm confused as to which modules i want and don't want |
| 23:46.02 | Akrame | help meee :p |
| 23:46.05 | pipeline | candc540: That, I can't help you with |
| 23:46.14 | Akrame | don't tell me to go to #ubuntu cauze i didn't find an answer |
| 23:46.15 | Akrame | :D |
| 23:46.17 | peterS | drasko: I'm assuming you're using snd-emu10k1 already |
| 23:46.23 | drasko | peterS, did that... the same thing, playmidi: No playback device found. |
| 23:46.24 | Akrame | pipeline LOL ! |
| 23:46.25 | pipeline | Akrame: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:46.27 | mrhemlock | Akrame: #ubuntu !!! |
| 23:46.37 | pipeline | Akrame: Install Debian or talk to #ubuntu. We don't use ubuntu, we don't care about ubuntu. |
| 23:46.45 | Akrame | ok |
| 23:46.46 | Akrame | TY |
| 23:46.52 | candc540 | pipeline: so i just add modules i don't want to blacklist.d and that's it and they wont load and then select the new ones basically |
| 23:46.54 | pipeline | candc540: I just use the ordinary orinoco drivers on my notebook :| |
| 23:46.56 | nSe | i did "chmod a+rwx /mnt/xp" but i still can't acess that folder with a normal user, could someone help me? |
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| 23:47.01 | pipeline | candc540: That's the idea, anyway |
| 23:47.18 | pipeline | candc540: You add drivers you don't want loaded by hotplug to hotplug's blacklist, and hopefully it'll find the module you DO want loaded instead. |
| 23:47.20 | peterS | drasko: well, I don't know what is going on with that. I don't have an emu10k1 and back when I did, I never tried midi playback with it |
| 23:47.29 | Pepina | nSe, how is mounted? what options in your /etc/fstab ? |
| 23:47.34 | pipeline | SuperSox: Sit in #ubuntu for a while. You'll figure out fast why people come here for help. We're friendly and helpful by comparison. |
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| 23:47.48 | SuperSox | pipeline: hehe, it's tempting... |
| 23:48.04 | greg | nSe: ntfs ? |
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| 23:48.50 | pipeline | SuperSox: Not that the #Ubuntu people aren't genuinely trying to help, they're just idiots. |
| 23:49.01 | SuperSox | pipeline: LOL. |
| 23:49.05 | thingfish | SuperSox: it's really odd. You would think no one in #ubuntu knows jack about linux. |
| 23:49.08 | nSe | Pepina, greg: fat32 is the filesystem. i did it with "mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt/xp" |
| 23:49.19 | SuperSox | pipeline: their website did make me think they were trying to sell a cult rather than an operating system |
| 23:49.26 | astro | how do you remove an iptables rule/ |
| 23:49.27 | astro | ? |
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| 23:49.34 | pipeline | nSe: you probably need to add "uid=" to your mount options. The "mount" man page has a long description. Use the "/" key to search through a man page. |
| 23:49.41 | greg | nsE: mount -t VFAT /dev/hda1 /mnt/xp |
| 23:49.44 | pipeline | SuperSox: Debian genuinely is trying to sell a cult. |
| 23:49.50 | pdb | tnx to all |
| 23:49.56 | greg | nSe: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/xp |
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| 23:50.04 | pipeline | SuperSox: The difference being that Debian is a genuine community project, whereas Ubuntu is a cynical attempt to exploit community |
| 23:50.09 | pdb | on lftp the command is rmdir to use |
| 23:50.36 | asdf | In any NORMAL case, can I get in trouble having 2 NICS connected to 2 networks connected to one router with 2 NICS in those two Networks? |
| 23:50.50 | candc540 | cafuego: now that i have the drivers for my orinoco card installed, do i need to do anything to get them to work or do they replace the ones that were already in the kernel? |
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| 23:51.42 | Akrame | euh |
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| 23:51.50 | Akrame | can someone help an ubuntu user N |
| 23:52.06 | candc540 | just ask your question Akrame |
| 23:52.07 | thingfish | hehe see? |
| 23:52.15 | SuperSox | Akrame: from what I've just learnt in the past five minutes, no one can help an ubuntu user |
| 23:52.33 | Akrame | candc540 can you see this : http://cakram.free.fr/Capture.png |
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| 23:52.43 | Akrame | SuperSox i dunno why |
| 23:52.50 | candc540 | what is it? |
| 23:52.56 | Akrame | a screen shot |
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| 23:53.02 | candc540 | of what? |
| 23:53.03 | Akrame | that is my problem |
| 23:53.15 | candc540 | clean for workplace viewing? |
| 23:53.16 | SuperSox | Akrame: I ment on a spirtual level. |
| 23:53.28 | Akrame | yes yes |
| 23:53.32 | Akrame | clean i swear |
| 23:53.32 | Ronin | candc540: ya sorry its work safe |
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| 23:54.17 | Ronin | Akrame: your first problem is this isn't a ubuntu support channel |
| 23:54.26 | Akrame | yes |
| 23:54.26 | candc540 | you talking about everything is in french or something? |
| 23:54.27 | Akrame | i know |
| 23:54.32 | Akrame | yes yes |
| 23:54.39 | Akrame | no no |
| 23:54.40 | p8m | haha learn french |
| 23:54.40 | candc540 | LOL |
| 23:54.44 | Akrame | im talkin about |
| 23:54.47 | Akrame | the window is small |
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| 23:55.11 | Akrame | i can't read it |
| 23:55.20 | Akrame | it's too small |
| 23:55.24 | nSe | greg: what's the difference: msdos / vfat ? |
| 23:55.26 | candc540 | oh you mean the text is small in the preferences window? |
| 23:55.32 | Akrame | Yes |
| 23:55.40 | candc540 | vfat includes fat32 support i believe |
| 23:55.44 | candc540 | msdos is fat16 |
| 23:55.45 | candc540 | ?? |
| 23:55.49 | candc540 | correct me if i'm wrong |
| 23:55.56 | greg | nSe: I dn't know but msdos I've never used this |
| 23:56.17 | candc540 | not sure what to do there akrame |
| 23:56.19 | greg | nSe: And on fat32 there is no acl (access control list) |
| 23:56.29 | Akrame | candc540 ok TY , i think the problem is in GNOME |
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| 23:56.38 | candc540 | maybe so |
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| 23:56.43 | candc540 | did you check the ubuntu forums |
| 23:56.49 | Akrame | yes |
| 23:56.51 | Akrame | nothin .. |
| 23:56.54 | candc540 | no answers there |
| 23:56.58 | candc540 | strange |
| 23:57.09 | Akrame | i checked ubuntu-fr forums |
| 23:57.12 | greg | Akrame: good luck |
| 23:57.18 | candc540 | just picking things out of the air but maybe you dont have all of the fonts installed? |
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| 23:57.27 | candc540 | like 75dpi 100dpi etc? |
| 23:57.31 | candc540 | i have no clue |
| 23:57.54 | Akrame | ok candc540 |
| 23:57.54 | Akrame | TY |
| 23:57.59 | cafuego | Ooher, the police called back, they want to dust the car for prints! |
| 23:58.22 | Akrame | !! |
| 23:58.23 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 23:58.28 | warhead | hi |
| 23:58.48 | nSe | pipeline: so, if i want to set the mount point acessible for all the user which number i should attach to uid= ? |
| 23:58.53 | warhead | I have litle problem with DMA |
| 23:59.04 | gtigene | . |
| 23:59.07 | candc540 | cafuego: i got the drivers for orinoco card downloaded and installed but how do i get them to load do they just replace the current ones in the kernel and no configuration necessary? |
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| 23:59.23 | pipeline | nSe: you want the umask option for that. Consult the man page. You probably want "umask=222" or something, I don't remember. |
| 23:59.24 | warhead | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 23:59.28 | cafuego | candc540: I just copy 'em into the kernel soruce tree and build my own kernel. |
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| 23:59.48 | pipeline | cafuego: candc540 already has the drivers built -- he needs to LOAD'em. |
| 23:59.59 | pipeline | cafuego: i.e. fix hotplug drain bamage |
