| 00:00.00 | Azar | PerfDave, I did not know that some directories, subdirectories are dependent on root |
| 00:00.13 | foreyez | quick question, my sound blaster live! hasn't worked in like forever in debian... is there a really popular sound configuring utility out there that anyone knows? |
| 00:00.18 | resiak | foreyez: alsaconf |
| 00:00.25 | Azar | foreyz: alsa |
| 00:00.35 | foreyez | do i neet to apt-get that? |
| 00:01.02 | Azar | apt-get search then apt-get install "alsa" |
| 00:01.13 | robin_sz | PerfDave: looks like I might be off to Switzerland :) ... wave to london.pm for me if you ever see them ;) |
| 00:01.16 | foreyez | cool tnx |
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| 00:01.47 | chealer | robin_sz: was your question a joke? |
| 00:01.48 | PitchForkLinux | Hi all. I'm sitting at Debian Sarge installer at the manually Partition disk screen. I have two 300Gig HD's that I want to install the system on. I'd like to have a raid1 for the system files, and a raid 0 for all else. can anyone guide me through setting this up? |
| 00:02.12 | robin_sz | chealer: it was taking the piss out of someone, not you |
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| 00:02.21 | PerfDave | Azar: YOu don't know that a directory that starts with "/" is relative to the root directory, not the CWD? |
| 00:02.41 | chealer | robin_sz: sorry...I knew I had already seen you here sometime :) |
| 00:02.49 | PerfDave | PitchForkLinux: I'm afraid I'm not familiar with RAID in the Debian installer, I've only ever used hardware RAID. |
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| 00:02.51 | Azar | PerfDave /me thinks trying to remember the filesystem class |
| 00:03.00 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Will do. Unlikely, since I'm rarely in London these days. |
| 00:03.03 | helloo | :me too ! |
| 00:03.19 | robin_sz | PerfDave: im looking forward to rarely being in england these days ;) |
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| 00:03.40 | brake | PerfDave soft raid is easier than hard raid! |
| 00:03.56 | robin_sz | actually, |
| 00:04.03 | robin_sz | I used to lurv hardware raid |
| 00:04.04 | PitchForkLinux | brake can you help me out? |
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| 00:04.14 | robin_sz | right up until the point the card shat itself |
| 00:04.15 | tuxillo | is there any sources so I can install x.org under debian SID?? |
| 00:04.19 | robin_sz | and no one seemed to have a spare |
| 00:04.24 | PerfDave | !topicsmite tuxillo |
| 00:04.25 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon tuxillo. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:04.27 | robin_sz | then I lurved software raid instead |
| 00:04.34 | helloo | tuxillo: :beware!!!!! |
| 00:04.37 | madclicker | hola |
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| 00:05.00 | tuxillo | helloo: what? O_O |
| 00:05.06 | Azar | tuxillo I do not think Debian is ready for xorg, not even in unstable |
| 00:05.09 | PerfDave | brake: No it isn't. I buy a server, it has 3 HDDs and two HDDs' capacity, in RAID-5, I don't have to configure anything and it all just works. |
| 00:05.18 | Ferret | tuxillo: You'd better do what he says, or we'll set the badgers on you. |
| 00:05.18 | digital_ | gn :) |
| 00:05.20 | tuxillo | Azar: I didn't ask that :P |
| 00:05.30 | chealer | digital_: could you stop that? |
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| 00:05.47 | madclicker | what is the proper way to modify /etc/modules.cong in sarge or is it modprobe.conf? |
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| 00:06.18 | xelam | modules.congo |
| 00:06.23 | Azar | :) |
| 00:06.39 | madclicker | :) |
| 00:06.55 | madclicker | modules.conf |
| 00:06.57 | D3v | Why when i run ifconfig its not showing my ip address anymore? |
| 00:06.57 | Azar | now depends, isit congo kinshasa, or congo brazaville? |
| 00:06.58 | digital_ | chealer: u r a real dumb ass |
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| 00:07.08 | digital_ | i gonna stop coming here |
| 00:07.13 | digital_ | FU if u prefer |
| 00:07.21 | digital_ | good night to others |
| 00:07.24 | Ferret | !u |
| 00:07.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:07.25 | chealer | ok |
| 00:07.34 | Azar | !r |
| 00:07.35 | dpkg | i heard r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
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| 00:07.47 | Ferret | !a |
| 00:07.47 | chealer | I admit I'm insisting. auto msgs are quite insisting too |
| 00:07.47 | dpkg | a is, like, UK's best rock band :) |
| 00:07.49 | helloo | tuxillo: ;) do you want but be 'aware' |
| 00:07.51 | Ferret | Oh, no, wait... |
| 00:07.51 | xelam | oh |
| 00:07.55 | resiak | XD |
| 00:07.59 | sfreire | hi |
| 00:08.08 | resiak | Oooh, must buy A tickets. |
| 00:08.23 | tuxillo | helloo: ok, Im aware :o) |
| 00:08.36 | sfreire | who using qemu ? |
| 00:08.40 | brake | PerfDave fdisk cp /usr/share/doc/raid***/raidx.conf.sample /etc/raidtab vi /etc/raidtab mkraid /dev/hd0 mkfs.extx /dev/md0 mount /dev/md0 /mnt |
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| 00:09.00 | tuxillo | helloo: it will blow a hole in my monitor like entrace readme says x-D |
| 00:09.02 | helloo | tuxillo: me too: |
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| 00:10.14 | PerfDave | brake: Yes, as opposed to doing nothing. |
| 00:10.56 | madclicker | what is the proper way to modify /etc/modules.conf? |
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| 00:11.29 | cafuego_ | madclicker: Open the file. Read the top few paragraphs. |
| 00:11.30 | tuxillo | helloo: I'm on some ubuntu sources, and I'm doing some changes right now :D |
| 00:11.41 | brake | PerfDave...... |
| 00:12.35 | travisat | !ubuntu |
| 00:12.35 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 00:12.51 | travisat | !info ubunto |
| 00:13.07 | madclicker | cafuego_:which will confuse even more |
| 00:13.32 | pipeline | tuxillo: I suggest you install debian. |
| 00:13.40 | pipeline | tuxillo: There's two ways to do this. You can download debian and install it |
| 00:13.45 | madclicker | cafuego_:do i use modules.conf or modprobe.conf , whith sarge? |
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| 00:13.48 | lignux | Hi |
| 00:13.49 | tuxillo | pipeline: I'm on debian SID man! :D |
| 00:13.51 | pipeline | tuxillo: Or you can attempt to install debian the "easy" way |
| 00:14.10 | lignux | Can you install Debian via floppy? |
| 00:14.10 | pipeline | tuxillo: You just said you mixed another system's repositories into your sources.list. You're not on sid anymore. |
| 00:14.16 | pipeline | lignux: Yeah, but it won't be fun. |
| 00:14.17 | PerfDave | !mixing distros |
| 00:14.18 | dpkg | methinks mixing distros is a bad idea. Running Ubuntu packages on Debian systems (or vice-versa) causes problems with package naming and versioning. Don't expect anybody to help you with your system if you do this. |
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| 00:14.35 | PerfDave | lignux: Yes, read the Installation Manual for details. |
| 00:14.35 | lignux | pipeline: Ok, Can you point me to some docs? |
| 00:14.35 | tuxillo | dpkg: thank you |
| 00:14.35 | dpkg | no worries, tuxillo |
| 00:14.36 | pipeline | tuxillo: You can use pinning and a lot, lot, lot of ugly shit to upgrade to Sid |
| 00:14.41 | travisat | ubuntu adds an ubuntu on the end of pacage names that confuses things |
| 00:14.47 | pipeline | lignux: No, I haven't tried it in ages. |
| 00:14.51 | cafuego_ | madclicker: That depends on the kernel. /etc/modprobe.d/* for 2.6 and /etc/modutils/* for 2.4 |
| 00:14.53 | lignux | PerfDave: Thank you :) |
| 00:15.03 | pipeline | tuxillo, travisat: ubuntu arbitrarily bumps version numbers on portions of base. That REALLY confuses things. |
| 00:15.15 | PerfDave | !i-m |
| 00:15.19 | PerfDave | !i-g |
| 00:15.21 | PerfDave | !ig |
| 00:15.21 | dpkg | ig is, like, for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 00:15.23 | BrianAnthony | is there anythign besides GAIM to use that will do direct connects via AIM |
| 00:15.25 | PerfDave | Gah, got there in the end. |
| 00:15.36 | PerfDave | BrianAnthony: kopete, bitlbee, centericq? |
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| 00:15.48 | tuxillo | pipeline: I don't mind, I just want some x.org and then tear down ubuntu sources from my sources.list |
| 00:16.04 | cafuego_ | tuxillo: Why do you want Xorg? |
| 00:16.13 | citral | !ops M-A-D-O-N-N- spams pr0n |
| 00:16.13 | pipeline | tuxillo: Yeah, that's a recipe for pain. Heaping large helpings of pain. |
| 00:16.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: M-A-D-O-N-N- spams pr0n |
| 00:16.32 | PerfDave | tuxillo: The fact remainds that you're still not running Debian any more. |
| 00:16.32 | cafuego_ | !icbm M-A-D-O-N-N- Spammer |
| 00:16.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: M-A-D-O-N-N- Spammer [at 33.0N 17.4E] |
| 00:16.33 | tuxillo | cafuego_: just to try, nothing more |
| 00:16.52 | tuxillo | PerfDave: why not? just define debian |
| 00:16.53 | cafuego_ | tuxillo: So you don't actually have a good reason for destroying your system. |
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| 00:17.09 | PerfDave | tuxillo: You're not using Debian sources any more, you're using a mixture of Debian and Ubuntu sources. |
| 00:17.17 | Azar | cafuego_ I guess tuxillo is trying to test it at the limits |
| 00:17.31 | cafuego_ | Azar: He founds the limits on #debian support. Hope he's happy. |
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| 00:17.43 | tuxillo | cafuego_: i've just installed debian on my new shinny computer, and I have 3GiB of .debs on my laptop. don't mind to spend 1h reinstalling. i'm going on testing right now =) |
| 00:17.52 | madclicker | cafuego_: I installed sarge with 2.6, why do I still have modules.conf but no modprobe.conf? |
| 00:18.23 | cafuego_ | tuxillo: You muisunderstand, nobody wants to help you mix up systems. |
| 00:18.36 | tuxillo | madclicker: did you install module-init-tools? |
| 00:18.37 | Azar | cafuego_ I realize that many, as I did before are mixing up Debian ways with some other distro mixtures tecniques |
| 00:18.44 | cafuego_ | madclicker: $EDITOR /etc/modprobe.d/* and run update-modules |
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| 00:19.11 | tuxillo | cafuego_: ok, don't mind! :) |
| 00:19.18 | cafuego_ | Azar: Yes, they invaribly come here and demand help when stuff breaks beyond their ability to repair. |
| 00:19.29 | madclicker | cafuego_: thx |
| 00:19.32 | tuxillo | thank you all. i'm not going to mess up my system anymore, I swear =) |
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| 00:19.40 | cafuego_ | Azar: ... and start abusing people when they get told they won't get help. |
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| 00:19.54 | Azar | cafuego_ I hear you :) |
| 00:20.16 | tuxillo | cafuego_: i meant "any unofficial sources for x.org?" :P |
| 00:20.29 | cafuego_ | tuxillo: Leave me alone |
| 00:20.34 | tuxillo | cafuego_: sorry :'( |
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| 00:20.52 | Azar | tuxillo: unnoficial means non_Debian hence mess up your packages and configurations |
| 00:20.52 | tuxillo | i'm on it, let me tell you all the consecuences |
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| 00:21.08 | tuxillo | Azar: i know and i assume it, i'm sorry |
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| 00:22.04 | Shadax | hi everyone |
| 00:22.22 | Shadax | i need some help in picking a version of debian |
| 00:22.23 | Azar | tuxillo the only great issue Debian has is the rock-solid package dependencies care, if you go beyond Debian-way you might risk depencencies breaks |
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| 00:22.40 | cafuego_ | Shadax: Production server: woody. Non-production or desktop: sarge |
| 00:23.02 | LunarCrisis | I'm trying to install nvidia-glx, but it seems to depend on nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 which does not exist >.< |
| 00:23.13 | Shadax | ok... well.. i want something somewhat new - i know woody is 2002... but i heard there is problems with sarge - mabye thats old news tho |
| 00:23.25 | cafuego_ | LunarCrisis: you need to compile nvidia-kernel-7174 via nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:23.26 | Shadax | sarge has a lot of new stuff from what i've seen |
| 00:23.31 | citral | !nickometer M-A-D-O-N-N- |
| 00:23.32 | dpkg | 'M-A-D-O-N-N-' is 99.9338% lame, citral |
| 00:23.36 | citral | yay |
| 00:23.45 | Azar | LunarCrisis try installing the nvidia the debian way, not with the nvidia installer from their site |
| 00:23.46 | tuxillo | Azar: i know that man, i know. i already said that i'm testing and of course i expect strange behaviours :D |
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| 00:23.51 | Shadax | i also want to emulate pc games |
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| 00:23.53 | Shadax | well. |
| 00:23.59 | unixfool_ | whats a good find alias/function to have 'find' ignore/prune all .svn and CVS directories? |
| 00:24.03 | LunarCrisis | I'm trying to do it the debian way |
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| 00:24.18 | LunarCrisis | cafuego_: I'll give it a try, thanks |
| 00:24.26 | lachoss | hi! |
| 00:24.28 | lachoss | whenever i try do apt-get install anything i get the error "short read in buffer_copy (files list for package `ttf-sazanami-gothic')". I tried then to install this package but it's already installed. I also tried to remove it but the same error message appeared. Any ideas on how to solve this? thanks! |
| 00:24.32 | cafuego_ | !icbm M-A-D-O-N-N-: OnJoin Spam |
| 00:24.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: M-A-D-O-N-N-: OnJoin Spam [at 62.0N 33.4E] |
| 00:24.56 | thingfish | madonna was doing that the other day, too, shamey shamey. |
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| 00:25.16 | cafuego | Always the same spam too. Persistent little fuck. maybe their site needs a DoS. |
| 00:25.24 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:26.29 | citral | a distibuted mega one yes |
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| 00:26.55 | Azar | hmm too bad, that the nvidia driver installer will not work with debian, the installer and its README are really neat |
| 00:27.13 | cafuego | Azar: The packaged stuff is in NO way hard to compile and install. |
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| 00:27.29 | xelam | Azar: erm, yrd it will |
| 00:27.31 | xelam | *yes |
| 00:27.39 | xelam | the nvidia driver installer works perfectly on debian. |
| 00:27.46 | thingfish | Azar: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
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| 00:27.49 | Azar | cafuego, I will try it, thanks |
| 00:27.57 | xelam | you need the kernel headers installed first |
| 00:28.04 | Azar | thingfish, andrex's site did not help much |
| 00:28.04 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 00:28.14 | thingfish | <sigh> |
| 00:28.17 | robin_sz | why doesnt someone just make up a .deb of it and have done |
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| 00:29.36 | brake | nice to meet you! |
| 00:29.45 | Azar | thingfish, this is better: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
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| 00:30.09 | thingfish | oh I've seen that one too |
| 00:30.13 | MobyTurbo | !ops M-A-D-O-N-N- is a pornbot |
| 00:30.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: M-A-D-O-N-N- is a pornbot |
| 00:30.37 | Azar | thingfish, yeah I will try it because the andrex's howto did not help |
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| 00:31.03 | dondelelcaro | yeay, pr0nbots |
| 00:31.15 | MobyTurbo | dondelelcaro: as you can see it left. |
| 00:31.26 | dondelelcaro | MobyTurbo: yes... |
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| 00:31.35 | outlaw | Is there any easy way to determine the memory footprint of an app? |
| 00:31.39 | robin_sz | would it have brought pr0n to us? |
| 00:31.45 | OriginalGlitch | Can anyone point me to info on creating a virtual package? |
| 00:31.45 | Azar | outlaw, is that you my fav canadian bacon? |
| 00:31.57 | outlaw | yep |
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| 00:32.06 | Azar | :) |
| 00:32.22 | dondelelcaro | outlaw: top and ps axfu; will give you some sort of an idea. However, you have to bear in mind that a large part of that footprint is shared between apps. |
| 00:32.32 | LoRez | mobius_: it did not leave. |
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| 00:32.37 | LoRez | er, MobyTurbo |
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| 00:32.56 | shadow00 | what is a good cd burning ap for debian? |
| 00:33.04 | outlaw | will give it a shot thanks |
| 00:33.05 | dondelelcaro | shadow00: cdrecord |
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| 00:34.13 | shadow00 | dondelelcaro, looks like i already have it according to apt |
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| 00:36.47 | outlaw | what desktop do you shadow00 |
| 00:37.15 | Adil93 | ehy |
| 00:37.26 | punkrockguy318 | I'm looking through my ssh logs. Someone is continually trying to brute force my machine by trying lots of usernames over and over again... How can I block additional login attempts after ten failed attempts? Or something? |
| 00:37.29 | LunarCrisis | what does this command do: dpkg -i ../nvidia-kernel-2.4.21-4-k7_1.0.7174-1+_.Custom_i386.deb ? |
| 00:37.49 | Adil93 | whats a samll version of linux i can download and run on my windows machine or from a usb stick |
| 00:38.23 | xelam | sigh |
| 00:38.39 | Adil93 | i have a debian.im file thats 128 mb |
| 00:38.43 | tuxillo | LunarCrisis: it will install that package on your system if everything is correct |
| 00:38.54 | xelam | do i HAVE to reboot to get linux to detect changes to harddisk partitions? |
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| 00:39.11 | LunarCrisis | so the filename is a file to load then, not a file to write to |
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| 00:39.30 | Adil93 | someone help me please |
| 00:39.36 | OriginalGlitch | xelam: In my experience, no. |
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| 00:39.48 | cafuego | punkrockguy318: just block their IP outright. |
| 00:40.01 | xelam | ho hum |
| 00:40.21 | bbrazil | punkrockguy318: if you're worried disable password auth. See debian-security, there a thread on it at the moment (again) |
| 00:40.57 | xelam | i have a disk that was 2 x 80 gb ext3 partitions; i removed them, created a new 160gb partition, and formatted ext3; it shows as 80gb :| |
| 00:41.09 | carnage | HELP: i deleted /var by accident, how do I make everything work again? |
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| 00:41.26 | xelam | carnage: restore from backup? :) |
| 00:41.29 | cafuego | carnage: Restore from backup or reinstall from scratch. |
| 00:41.38 | bbrazil | xelam: yes you do (ide,linux). there is a hdparam option that say it reloads - try that |
| 00:42.01 | carnage | i don't have a backup |
| 00:42.09 | cafuego | carnage: Reinstall from scratch then. |
| 00:42.17 | carnage | fuck |
| 00:42.23 | cafuego | And remember to not give yourself the root password next time. |
| 00:42.53 | carnage | i can't type qwerty either |
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| 00:43.05 | p8m | dvorak? |
| 00:43.08 | carnage | only dvorak |
| 00:43.19 | p8m | dvorak rocks |
| 00:43.33 | carnage | this is hard and slow |
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| 00:43.44 | cafuego | carnage: Change the keymap, then. |
| 00:44.14 | carnage | i can't since /var is gone |
| 00:44.21 | Adil93 | can anyone help a noob or at least point me in the right direction? |
| 00:44.31 | carnage | X gives an error |
| 00:44.32 | cafuego | Here endeth the lesson on backing up. |
| 00:44.34 | zuralin | ask? |
| 00:44.37 | Adil93 | i put a 128mb debian.img file on my usb stick, now what? |
| 00:44.42 | LunarCrisis | how do I get nvidia-kernel-common 1.0.7174-1? |
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| 00:44.49 | Adil93 | i just wanna install debian on it |
| 00:44.57 | bbrazil | xelam: (and let me know if it works) |
| 00:44.59 | zuralin | you have to extract the img on it i believe |
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| 00:45.25 | Adil93 | using what? winrar? |
| 00:45.36 | cafuego | Adil93: Is it an ISO image? |
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| 00:45.47 | zuralin | whatever suits your fancy |
| 00:45.52 | Adil93 | ok |
| 00:45.57 | bltzfsck | what is mplayer? |
| 00:46.00 | CharlesBrown | I'm on debian/sarge...and firefox seems to crash all the time when I go to some websites |
| 00:46.06 | CharlesBrown | And when I try to download stuff |
| 00:46.17 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: Broken flash player, probably. |
| 00:46.18 | CharlesBrown | bltzfsck, mplayer is the greatest player known to man. |
| 00:46.21 | valdyn_ | !info nvidia-kernel-common sid |
| 00:46.23 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7167-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 00:46.27 | CharlesBrown | cafuego, I don't have flash player. |
| 00:46.32 | pipeline | CharlesBrown: Use the mozilla suite. Fuck firefox. |
| 00:46.35 | Adil93 | <zuralin> the archive is an unkown format |
| 00:46.35 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: Do you have java? |
| 00:46.36 | xelam | bbrazil: i'm not sure what you mean :( |
| 00:46.49 | zuralin | CharlesBrown, try running firefox from a terminal to see why it crashes |
| 00:46.51 | xelam | it must be possible, as the debian installer does it! |
| 00:46.54 | bltzfsck | CharlesBrown, i can't seem to install it with apt-get |
| 00:46.59 | xelam | (also, windows does it ;)) |
| 00:47.00 | bbrazil | xelam: do you have hdparam installed? |
| 00:47.05 | zuralin | Adil93, google for something to extract .img's |
| 00:47.11 | xelam | do you mean hdparm? |
| 00:47.11 | Adil93 | i have the debian.img on the stcik, not the archive file |
| 00:47.12 | valdyn_ | LunarCrisis: wait a few days |
| 00:47.33 | bbrazil | xelam: no, you can get away with it - if you've never mounted any partition on the disk sionce the last boot |
| 00:47.35 | zuralin | Adil93, it needs to be extracted on the stick |
| 00:47.35 | xelam | you should be able to mount a .img file |
| 00:47.35 | bltzfsck | CharlesBrown, i'm told it has unmeetable dependencies |
| 00:47.44 | xelam | bbrazil: hm |
| 00:47.44 | bbrazil | xelam: which is how the installer manages it |
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| 00:47.57 | CharlesBrown | o wait, I do have flash cafuego |
| 00:47.59 | CharlesBrown | And I have java. |
| 00:48.04 | bbrazil | xelam: thats the one, try the -z option |
| 00:48.05 | xelam | ok, but surely it can't be that linux can't do something windows can :D |
| 00:48.06 | Vyrus001 | how do i apt-get source the debian 2.8 kernel ( i want to compile a kernel useing the mips compiler for a bootstrap i am doing) ? |
| 00:48.12 | LunarCrisis | I've built the nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386_1.0.7174-1_i386.deb I need, but it requires the nvidia-kernel-common to install, is there nowhere to get it? |
| 00:48.14 | CharlesBrown | and quicktime plugin |
| 00:48.15 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: Disable flash, see how you go. |
| 00:48.15 | bbrazil | xelam: in this case, yes |
| 00:48.16 | bltzfsck | CharlesBrown, specifically libarts, libarts-alsa, and libvorbis |
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| 00:48.35 | thingfish | you have to time travel in order to get the 2.8 kernel, Vyrus001. |
| 00:48.41 | cafuego | LunarCrisis: Just use dpkg -i --force-depends nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386_1.0.7174-1_i386.deb |
| 00:48.57 | cafuego | LunarCrisis: The nvidia-kernel-common package only contains a few config files, nothing major. |
| 00:49.10 | Vyrus001 | thingfish|| lol my bad |
| 00:49.11 | bbrazil | xelam: linux also lacks an inbuilt webrowser :) |
| 00:49.12 | LunarCrisis | so it shouldn't cause any problems? |
| 00:49.14 | Adil93 | zuralin> ok, i've extracted it on the stick, now what? |
| 00:49.16 | Vyrus001 | thingfish|| 2.6 :P |
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| 00:49.33 | cafuego | LunarCrisis: nope, but you MUST have version 7174 of nvidia-glx |
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| 00:49.49 | p8m | only the nt kernel has a browser build in |
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| 00:49.53 | zuralin | Adil93, setup your bios to boot from usb or removable device and make sure it is started before your harddrive.. then see how it goes from there |
| 00:50.05 | United | what is a good windows manager? like blackbox? or something in that area? |
| 00:50.11 | zuralin | fluxboz |
| 00:50.13 | zuralin | box |
| 00:50.16 | p8m | United: Ion!! |
| 00:50.17 | Adil93 | ok, thanks |
| 00:50.22 | LunarCrisis | cafuego: doesn't that depend on what I'm installing now? |
| 00:50.33 | bltzfsck | i liked ion, but never figgerd it all the way out |
| 00:50.55 | bltzfsck | ion is VERY different |
| 00:50.57 | bbrazil | United: I use blackbox, but it isn't exactly maintained so you might want to go fluxbox |
| 00:51.02 | p8m | it's fun, very scriptable |
| 00:51.05 | OriginalGlitch | cafuego: You good at fixing dependancy issues? I have a package installed that depends on libgd1g (>1.3) - libgd1 1.8 is installed, but it's not happy. Now dselect and apt-get always wanna remove the package. |
| 00:51.07 | cafuego | LunarCrisis: It should be installed already, just make sure it's thr right version. |
| 00:51.22 | bltzfsck | try fvwm95 if you wanna be totally retro dude |
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| 00:51.56 | lachoss | when apt talks about "files list for package `ttf-sazanami-gothic'", what's it referring to? where's that files list? |
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| 00:52.56 | cafuego | -r-------- 1 cafuego users 13922 Jan 28 1997 .fvwmrc |
| 00:52.57 | shadow00 | outlaw: gnome |
| 00:52.58 | cafuego | Muaha |
| 00:53.14 | beardy | United: There is a few to choose from :) I use, and like wmaker. Try a few and see which one you like. "apt-cache search window-manager" |
| 00:53.18 | cafuego | Attack of the cruft. |
| 00:53.35 | p8m | enlightenment is good |
| 00:53.38 | shadow00 | is there a gui for cdrecord |
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| 00:53.48 | aFlag | how do i clean the mbr? |
| 00:54.03 | cafuego | shadow00: k3b |
| 00:54.05 | pipeline | shadow00: nautilus-cd-burner and k3b are about it |
| 00:54.18 | pipeline | shadow00: nautilus-cd-burner , after it is installed, is access through the "go" menu |
| 00:54.21 | aFlag | well, actually what i want is to get more space for the /boot partition |
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| 00:55.06 | LunarCrisis | cafuego: thanks for the help, it turned out okay ^^ |
| 00:55.07 | aFlag | i'm using dd conv=sync,notrunc if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hda2 does it seem right? |
| 00:55.07 | United | ion? and fluxbox? |
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| 00:55.31 | EvilSporkMan | aFlag: no, that doesn't seem to have much point at all |
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| 00:55.48 | aFlag | EvilSporkMan: what doesn't seem to have much point? |
| 00:55.58 | brake | who know geekbone??? |
| 00:56.00 | shadow00 | pipeline: i see so do you just drag the files you want in there? |
| 00:56.04 | bltzfsck | sarge=testing, right? |
| 00:56.14 | EvilSporkMan | aFlag: that command...you need to resize the /boot partition, which has nothing to do with the MBR |
| 00:56.16 | aFlag | /dev/hda1 is where the current /boot is, and i want to copy it to a partition i just created in /dev/hda2 |
| 00:56.30 | United | p8m where is the ion website? |
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| 00:56.43 | aFlag | i wanted to clean the mbr so i could try to boot from the new partition to see if the way i copied it was ok |
| 00:57.07 | aFlag | is there a way to resize a partition without copying stuff around? |
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| 00:57.19 | EvilSporkMan | aFlag: oh, I don't know about options for dd - i would just have done dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hda2 bs=1024 (dunno about bs) |
| 00:57.19 | p8m | United: modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ |
| 00:57.38 | aFlag | hum |
| 00:58.12 | Mike77 | Window manager issue: when I run a console application (e.g. lynx), I get no output. Where is the command output directed? (sarge+windowmaker) |
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| 00:58.39 | aFlag | man dd isn't helping me a whole bunch :( |
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| 00:58.55 | United | p8m thanks |
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| 00:59.39 | foreyez | hey guys.. is there an 'dreamweaver' like program for linux ? |
| 00:59.45 | brake | who know geekbone??? |
| 01:00.00 | p8m | foreyez: emacs |
| 01:00.01 | pipeline | foreyez: nvu |
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| 01:02.06 | cafuego | foreyez: Not really. I find 'bluefish' to be the nicest HTML editor (not played with 'screem' much). |
| 01:02.15 | Eclipser | dang |
| 01:02.19 | Eclipser | I was just going to suggest bluefish :) |
| 01:02.24 | inetd | yer bluefish is good |
| 01:02.35 | aFlag | anyhow, if no one knows a better way to resize the /boot other than the one i discribed, does anyone know how to clean the mbr? |
| 01:02.48 | inetd | i like bluefish icon too :) anyone know where to find icons like that ? :) |
| 01:02.49 | cafuego | Bluefish is the least irritating of a fairly bad bunch. |
| 01:02.49 | Eclipser | I lost the channel the question was asked on so my answer was delayed |
| 01:03.07 | cafuego | Mainly I prefer to write PHP in VIM and output decent HTML that way. |
| 01:03.41 | United | bluefish ? |
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| 01:04.57 | Terrasque | How do I set which to be my main screen when using 2 monitors on one nvidia card? |
| 01:05.11 | aFlag | all i could find on google was fdisk /mbr |
| 01:05.18 | aFlag | but that's dos, and i don't have it |
| 01:05.21 | Terrasque | right now it insist on using my crapola monitor as main screen |
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| 01:05.45 | dabreegs1er | My console has 30 lines right now, because of SVGATextMode. I want to make a 'status line' at the bottom of every tty. So I ran 'stty rows 29' and now everything runs within the first 29 lines. The last line isn't used. How can I echo something onto it, though? echo `tput cup 30 0; echo -n Foo` didn't work. |
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| 01:06.05 | rixth | #xmms is dead, how can I get the ALSA plugin for Xmms, I used to ahve it, but now all I have is OSS. |
| 01:06.29 | aliasptr | #xmltv |
| 01:06.50 | p8m | rixth: install the package |
| 01:07.25 | rixth | Which? I compiled xmms from apt-get source xmms |
| 01:07.35 | rixth | I have alsa installed and onfiguered |
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| 01:08.12 | sagewicked | is X broken in sid ? |
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| 01:08.33 | rixth | sagewicked, not that I know of. |
| 01:08.36 | twk | re |
| 01:08.39 | thingfish | sagewicked: isn't here. |
| 01:08.45 | disasm | aFlag: what os install cd's do you have? |
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| 01:09.02 | sagewicked | there is not useful error message that I can find but couldn't find out why ? |
| 01:09.06 | disasm | aFlag: i assume your doing something with windows if your trying to wipe the mbr |
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| 01:09.25 | sagewicked | next question is.. does it work well with nvidia installer |
| 01:09.41 | thingfish | sagewicked: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 01:09.42 | cafuego | apt-get install ms-sys; |
| 01:09.52 | aFlag | disasm: i'm not i'm just trying to boot from a different partition |
| 01:09.53 | sagewicked | haven't touched it for a six months... so just getting up to spee on things |
| 01:09.56 | madclicker | does anyone know of an alternative to "chkconfig" on debian? |
| 01:10.06 | aFlag | i want to boot from /dev/hda2 |
| 01:10.19 | Supaplex | is the kernrl.org release of the hp pa risc port functional yet? |
| 01:10.27 | disasm | aFlag: and why do you need to wipe the mbr to do that? |
| 01:10.30 | aFlag | setting it as bootable on fdisk isn't changing anything |
| 01:10.42 | disasm | aFlag: grub/lilo? |
| 01:10.47 | aFlag | grub |
| 01:10.51 | sagewicked | thnx thingfish.. reading the site |
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| 01:11.16 | leo | is there any metapackage for donwloading xine and evrything that is required for it to work? |
| 01:11.18 | disasm | aFlag: root (hd0,1) in grub.conf |
| 01:11.45 | disasm | aFlag: that's because linux doesn't care about the bootable flag |
| 01:12.04 | Supaplex | the ipl might |
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| 01:12.49 | aFlag | hum |
| 01:12.51 | Ferret | leo: xine-ui |
| 01:12.56 | Ferret | erf, woops. |
| 01:12.56 | disasm | aFlag: you probly also need to change root=/dev/hda2 appended at the end of your kernel line as well |
| 01:13.01 | Ferret | *ignore the typo of doom* |
| 01:13.18 | EvilSporkMan | Ferret: is that...GENTOO? O_O |
| 01:13.27 | Ferret | *even though by coincidence it was actually right* |
| 01:13.35 | aFlag | yeah, i've done it but it seemed to kernel panic, i thought maybe if i booted from the partition itself it might be different |
| 01:13.41 | dvs | aFlag: at "# kopt" change it to root=/dev/hda2 |
| 01:13.46 | aFlag | the thing is that i want to resize my /boot partition |
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| 01:14.07 | poonj | hey guys, I'm having some trouble setting up ALSA for sound |
| 01:14.10 | Ferret | apt-cache search ^xine --> xine-ui - the xine video player, user interfaces |
| 01:14.14 | aFlag | i copied it like dd conv=notrunc,syn if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hda2 |
| 01:14.16 | disasm | aFlag: ext2? |
| 01:14.21 | aFlag | but i must be doing something wrong |
| 01:14.25 | aFlag | it's ext3 |
| 01:14.31 | poonj | I compiled the modules in my 2.6.11 kernel for snd-emu10k1. I loaded the module snd-emu10k1 |
| 01:14.39 | Champagne | poonj: what kind of problem have you got exactly? |
| 01:14.45 | Ferret | EvilSporkMan: No, I, uh, have no idea what you're talking about. *hides the gentoo box behind himself* |
| 01:14.48 | poonj | however, when I play in XMMS, the song is playing, but it doesn't have sound |
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| 01:15.10 | dvs | poonj: Run alsamixergui and set the volumes AND UNMUTE THEM |
| 01:15.10 | poonj | when I try to open the mixer, it says that I don't have a device, even though it shows up in lsmod. Am I missing something? |
| 01:15.24 | Boyette | god i hate netgear, i tried to update the firmware and it failed, now i can't even reset the router |
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| 01:15.31 | trulux | hi |
| 01:15.31 | disasm | aFlag: you can just cp the files over for your boot, and then resize, and cp back |
| 01:15.39 | Champagne | poonj: run alsaconf |
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| 01:15.43 | trulux | I'm getting groff: can't find `DESC' file |
| 01:15.43 | trulux | groff:fatal error: invalid device `ps' |
| 01:15.45 | poonj | dvs: so I need to install the alsa packages? |
| 01:15.48 | trulux | while running groff |
| 01:15.48 | aFlag | hum... i thought that wouldn't work |
| 01:15.57 | aFlag | because maybe /boot had something special |
| 01:15.58 | poonj | what is the point in making the modules in the kernel then? |
| 01:15.58 | dvs | poonj: alsa-utils at the very least |
| 01:16.05 | disasm | Boyette: that's how my wrt54g turned into a brick ;-) |
| 01:16.06 | trulux | anyone knows what's wrong with it? I have all the packages installed and well configure |
| 01:16.22 | Boyette | disasm: did you ever fix it? |
| 01:16.23 | Adil93 | hello |
| 01:16.25 | aFlag | disasm: is it a problem if i cp it from one filesystem to another? |
| 01:16.25 | madclicker | anyone knows where I could get a sk98lin kernel module? |
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| 01:16.42 | Vyrus001 | ok i have downloaded debian kernel source but i want to use a cirtan compiler to compile it for mips "not the system im on" so how do i tell make to use the compiler i want |
| 01:16.42 | poonj | dvs: when I install alsa, it installs the alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 01:16.43 | disasm | Boyette: mine was my fault though, i wrote my own rom for it and forgot to set boot_wait before tftping it |
| 01:16.46 | Adil93 | i extracted debian.img onto my usb stick, then chagnged my bios to boot from usb, but it still booted windows |
| 01:16.58 | Adil93 | wats wrong? |
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| 01:17.24 | disasm | Boyette: nope, my debian server doubles as a router now, and i bought a cheap d-link wireless router (refurbed $20) to give me wireless |
| 01:17.40 | Boyette | disasm: I don't think this was my fault but its probably a similar problem, damn thing won't do anything now |
| 01:17.49 | poonj | dvs: so I guess my question is...do I need to build the modules in the kernel? I also have a built-in sound card (nVidia nForce2) that I would like to use. how would I be able to load both? |
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| 01:18.09 | disasm | Boyette: tftp or webgui? |
| 01:18.14 | madclicker | how do I prevent grub-update from overwriting menu.lst file after every update? |
| 01:18.14 | Boyette | web |
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| 01:18.32 | Boyette | 192.168.0.1 won't even resolve |
| 01:18.33 | dvs | poonj: The snd_emu10k1 is the kernel module. You don't have to build them into the kernel. |
| 01:18.38 | dabreegs1er | How can I make a 'status line' at the top/bottom of the console? |
| 01:18.40 | Boyette | just times out |
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| 01:18.48 | poonj | dvs: yeah, so I don't need to even build the module? |
| 01:18.49 | dvs | !wayttd madclicker |
| 01:18.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, madclicker? |
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| 01:19.02 | Adil93 | i extracted debian.img onto my usb stick, then chagnged my bios to boot from usb, but it still booted windows. wats wrong? |
| 01:19.05 | dvs | poonj: If you are using a Debian 2.6 kernel, no |
| 01:19.06 | disasm | Boyette: yeah, it's a brick, if it supported tftp, some routers will accept a rom in a half second period between when it's plugged in, and it loads the rom to upload one (thats that boot_wait i was talking about) |
| 01:19.11 | Leimy | abrotman is a poo |
| 01:19.25 | Boyette | and I really didn't want to fill out the 5 page required survey just for support |
| 01:19.28 | poonj | dvs: plain 2.6 from kernel.org |
| 01:19.44 | disasm | Boyette: might try sending it back if it's covered under warranty |
| 01:19.51 | dvs | poonj: Then you probably build something wrong. |
| 01:19.55 | HeavyD | Is there some sort of software you can get for linux in order to play quicktime movies? |
| 01:20.00 | poonj | I dont think I loaded everything |
| 01:20.01 | disasm | aFlag: any luck? |
| 01:20.02 | poonj | lket me try again |
| 01:20.11 | Adil93 | extracted debian.img onto my usb stick, then chagnged my bios to boot from usb, but it still booted windows. wats wrong? |
| 01:20.16 | Boyette | disasm: no, got it off ebay, doesn't even have a serial, but you'd think the reset button wouuld reset the firmware also, or somehow you could reset it |
| 01:20.24 | Calin | HeavyD: xine or mplayer |
| 01:20.31 | aFlag | disasm: i'm doing it right now, it seems like it copied ok |
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| 01:20.42 | HeavyD | Calin: I have mplayer... you say it will play Quicktime files? |
| 01:20.48 | Calin | it may |
| 01:20.52 | madclicker | dpkg: I am trying to keep my console video settings, but grub-update keeps overwriting them. |
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| 01:21.10 | Boyette | disasm: thats good to know, thanks, atleast now i can quit searching google over and over and trying the button over and over and over |
| 01:21.10 | HeavyD | Calin: Ok, i'll give it a try. |
| 01:21.18 | Adil93 | extracted debian.img onto my usb stick, then chagnged my bios to boot from usb, but it still booted windows. wats wrong?3 |
| 01:21.24 | dvs | madclicker: you put kernel option on the "# kopt" line |
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| 01:22.15 | madclicker | dvs: i tried that 2, but after update it is commented out again |
| 01:22.24 | Dmess | anyone ever had GRUB issues ... |
| 01:22.34 | Boyette | thats a bad day.... |
| 01:22.45 | dvs | madclicker: The "# kopt" line, exactly like I typed it in quotes |
| 01:22.55 | disasm | Adil93: how did you extract it? |
| 01:23.00 | dabreegs1er | Sorry, had to get offline. Is there a way I could make a status line on the top or bottom of the console? Like the one in screen and elinks. |
| 01:23.04 | HeavyD | wow.. I didn't know Mac OSX was based on UNIX... cool. |
| 01:23.22 | dvs | HeavyD: Thanks to NexT |
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| 01:23.29 | madclicker | dvs: yes |
| 01:23.49 | mwilson | HeavyD: So you've been living under a rock for the last three years? |
| 01:23.51 | HeavyD | dvs: I don't quite understand what you mean? |
| 01:23.53 | Adil93 | disasm> i had the boot.img archive and i extracted the debian.img onto the stick |
| 01:24.13 | Dmess | all i get is a GRUB> prompt |
| 01:24.22 | HeavyD | mwilson: I guess so. :P |
| 01:24.30 | Adil93 | ti was about 128 mb |
| 01:24.34 | dvs | HeavyD: Steve Jobs worked for NeXT for a couple of years before coming back to Apple |
| 01:24.59 | disasm | Adil93: how did you extract it though? If you just extracted the files it doesn't have a boot sector on it |
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| 01:25.24 | HeavyD | dvs: Ah, that makes sense now! :) I have been living under a rock, darn the stupid windows based crock |
| 01:25.25 | Dmess | dis.. you talkin to me?? |
| 01:25.43 | mwilson | dvs: Uh, by the way... Steve Jobs OWNED NeXT, having been the person who started the company. |
| 01:25.53 | Adil93 | disasm> the only file on it is debian.img |
| 01:25.53 | humbolt | how can I conveniently rename 300 files.bd to files.hosts?? |
| 01:25.58 | madclicker | did anyone has experienced problems with usb mouse and "gpm"? |
| 01:26.17 | dvs | mwilson: Oh? |
| 01:26.42 | disasm | Adil93: that's your problem, that's just an img file, you need to "extract" the img file so to speak, do you have a live linux boot cd of some sort? |
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| 01:26.49 | mwilson | dvs: Oh. |
| 01:27.02 | dvs | Oh! |
| 01:27.02 | leo | i did "apt-get install xine-ui" and xine 0.99.3 is running, but there is xine 1.0 avaliable. is there anything i can do with apt-get in order to upgrade my software? |
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| 01:27.18 | mwilson | leo: Available where? |
| 01:27.20 | Adil93 | no, i dont tinhk so... all i have is an old redhat release, 3cds and i also have this tthing called qemu |
| 01:27.23 | Adil93 | disasm> |
| 01:27.40 | mwilson | leo: Certainly not in any Debian package archive. |
| 01:27.53 | inetd | leo: you using sarge? |
| 01:28.04 | disasm | get a live boot cd of some sort and check this out: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 01:28.17 | leo | mwilson, inetd: that's what the site said... i'm using sarge. |
| 01:28.23 | Adil93 | i have dialup.. is there anything small? |
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| 01:28.47 | mwilson | leo: No, that is NOT what the site said. If you think it did, please provide a reference to a URL that states Debian is packaging v1.0. |
| 01:28.59 | madclicker | i am having all kinds of gibberish being displayed when using copy in console mode |
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| 01:29.12 | inetd | leo: xine1.0 probly in sid..not sarge |
| 01:29.13 | HeavyD | Is there a quicktime plugin for Firefox for linux? |
| 01:29.28 | Dmess | http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/ has a debian based EMC cd |
| 01:29.57 | leo | mwilson: check yourself: http://xinehq.de/index.php/home |
| 01:30.04 | robink | Argh, I wish I could find an iButton PAM module for Linux |
| 01:30.06 | p8m | HeavyD: check out the mplayer plugin |
| 01:30.11 | Calin | HeavyD: yes, mozilla.org |
| 01:30.12 | inetd | leo: ahh well its not on both (sid or sarge) |
| 01:30.39 | HeavyD | p8m, Calin: Ok thanks |
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| 01:31.01 | leo | inetd: you're meaning wi'll never have xine 1.0 in a shorter period of time... ? |
| 01:31.05 | mwilson | leo: Yes, and if I actually read it, I see libxine 1.0 being released, and I see xine-ui 0.99.3 being released... what I don't seem to see is a xine-ui 1.0 being released. |
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| 01:31.23 | HeavyD | Has anybody used the ChatZilla IRC client made by Mozilla? any opinions on it/ |
| 01:31.24 | mwilson | leo: Why don't I see a xine-ui 1.0 being released? |
| 01:31.24 | inetd | leo: you can either compile the source yourself or find a unofficial deb pkg for it |
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| 01:31.43 | mwilson | leo: Oh, that's right... it would be because there isn't one. |
| 01:31.43 | clojster | How can I set the default Browser for my system? |
| 01:32.11 | mith | clojster: the default is which ever one you open |
| 01:32.16 | leo | mwilson: sorry, you did it |
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| 01:32.47 | mwilson | leo: So it's a little hard for Debian to package what doesn't exist. |
| 01:32.52 | inetd | leo: hmm..well where did you hear about 1.0? |
| 01:33.01 | HeavyD | bah.. there is no quicktime plugin for firefox for linux. grrrr.. |
| 01:33.01 | resiak | clojster: For gnome: gnome-default-applications-properties |
| 01:33.16 | Dmess | who knows how to swap grub for lilo.. after the install... |
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| 01:33.26 | thomas_adam | Dmess: Why would you want to? |
| 01:33.35 | clojster | mith: bullshit... |
| 01:33.40 | leo | mwilson, inetd: sorry you both, i'm getting used to linux |
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| 01:33.43 | mwilson | Reading the grub documentation, and actually learning how to use it, would never appeal, of course. |
| 01:33.49 | Dmess | my machine doesnt like GRUB... |
| 01:33.56 | thomas_adam | Dmess: Heh. |
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| 01:34.07 | Dmess | dont ask its been 4 days getting here |
| 01:34.12 | clojster | resiak: and there is some variable for the whole system, right? not only for gnome |
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| 01:34.20 | resiak | clojster: Hell no., |
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| 01:34.27 | aFlag | hum... somehow df thinks my /boot partition still have the same size as before |
| 01:34.50 | thomas_adam | Dmess: I would have said you could have changed the bootloader at install time in the "expert installation", but given your previous statement, that doesn't apply to you, hehe. |
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| 01:34.55 | clojster | resiak: smthn like: export BROWSER="wsdfwdf" ain't working? |
| 01:34.57 | resiak | clojster: Oh, unless you mean update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 01:35.05 | softrat | Yeeecks! Somew many people ...... |
| 01:35.07 | resiak | clojster: I have NFI |
| 01:35.10 | simonrvn | aFlag: run sync, or there's open files |
| 01:35.21 | resiak | clojster: I only have one person on my computer, so making x-www-browser be firefox works just fine for me. |
| 01:35.22 | mwilson | The alternatives system is not a collection of "defaults". |
| 01:35.26 | aFlag | simonrvn: i've booted it twice |
| 01:35.30 | resiak | mwilson: It's close enough to what he wants. |
| 01:35.40 | inetd | mwilson: dont be a n00bie hater :p |
| 01:35.42 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 01:35.42 | mwilson | It's a set of guaranteed features. |
| 01:35.43 | softrat | My sound don't work! (Speakers work, but not 'pooter.) |
| 01:35.50 | Dmess | GRUB was the only option avalable on the BDI (brain dead install) im trying.. |
| 01:35.53 | softrat | Help: SOUND! |
| 01:36.10 | p8m | softrat: YOU'RE DEAF! |
| 01:36.16 | softrat | I KNOW! |
| 01:36.22 | aFlag | darn it! |
| 01:36.25 | markybob | softrat, you really think acting like that is gonna make anyone wanna help you? go away |
| 01:36.31 | softrat | Sorry |
| 01:36.41 | softrat | Mea culpa! |
| 01:36.46 | aFlag | hda1 Boot Primary Linux ext2 100.13 |
| 01:36.47 | dondelelcaro | Dmess: that's just the default. If you want lilo, you have to know enough to select it manually. |
| 01:36.54 | aFlag | i have that on cfdisk |
| 01:37.08 | aFlag | and this on df -h |
| 01:37.09 | aFlag | /dev/hda1 28M 6.8M 20M 26% /boot |
| 01:37.16 | aFlag | does it make any sense to anyone? |
| 01:37.22 | softrat | so: (help!) |
| 01:37.26 | Dmess | i tried... select from where??? im stupid... and its a BDI |
| 01:37.36 | simonrvn | @tell softrat -about ask |
| 01:37.42 | simonrvn | @tell softrat -about smart questions |
| 01:37.50 | inetd | has anyone figured out a workaround to wacked fonts when you browse a site with firefox? |
| 01:37.59 | aFlag | anyone? :( |
| 01:38.33 | mwilson | Why would you need a "workaround"? |
| 01:38.35 | simonrvn | aFlag: um, get a clue. the one in cfdisk is the amount allocated to the partition. |
| 01:38.36 | clojster | So how can I change my browser to OPERA with this command: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser?? |
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| 01:38.41 | Dmess | i can poot from an old lilo enabled floppy.. and rescue root=/dev/had2 |
| 01:38.42 | clojster | syntax? |
| 01:38.45 | Dmess | and get in |
| 01:38.52 | dondelelcaro | clojster: yes. |
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| 01:38.59 | mwilson | clojster: Believe it or not, this is why update-alternatives has a man page. |
| 01:39.01 | aFlag | simonrvn: but the partition is not taking it all, right? |
| 01:39.09 | markybob | ha! |
| 01:39.10 | mwilson | clojster: People actually WROTE DOWN how to use it. |
| 01:39.22 | aFlag | when i did mke2fs /dev/hda1 should it make it ocupate all the partition? |
| 01:39.24 | dondelelcaro | clojster: however, opera has to be a registered alternative to update-alternatives. man update-alternatives and read about the --install option |
| 01:39.26 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson: we have handwritten manpages? |
| 01:39.31 | mwilson | Gods, xine is still as ugly and as unusable as ever. |
| 01:39.37 | simonrvn | aFlag: df would show total (minus default 5% allocated to root user) and used |
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| 01:39.50 | simonrvn | aFlag: man df |
| 01:39.55 | mwilson | WTF is the moron-fascination with making things look like a brain-dead desktop player? |
| 01:40.24 | simonrvn | mwilson: deep and profound lack of a sense of aesthetics |
| 01:40.36 | Dmess | ANYone know what to do at the GRUB. prompt to boot from my /dev/had2 |
| 01:40.40 | EvilSporkMan | simonrvn: you mean like the ae ligature? |
| 01:40.42 | simonrvn | (and design sense) |
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| 01:41.06 | aFlag | simonrvn: but the partition has 100mb and it's showing 28mb, that's way more than 5% |
| 01:41.09 | markybob | Dmess, you realize that the grub config file is extremely well documented and tells you how to do exactly what you just asked? |
| 01:41.11 | dondelelcaro | Dmess: specific root=/dev/hda2 if hda2 really is your root partition. |
| 01:41.20 | simonrvn | aFlag: go read the man page |
| 01:41.28 | mwilson | markybob: But then he'd have to actually READ it. |
| 01:41.42 | markybob | mwilson, heaven forbid |
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| 01:42.03 | ar3dam | hi there... how can send messages for a user on my server? |
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| 01:42.15 | sysfault | hmm |
| 01:42.20 | cafuego | 46686 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9337.200 FPS |
| 01:42.22 | cafuego | ack |
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| 01:42.37 | Dmess | its the / partition... i have a partition that is bootable /dev/hda1 but i get operating system missing.. |
| 01:42.42 | thomas_adam | ar3dam: man write |
| 01:42.43 | PerfDave | ar3dam: If they're logged in on the console, "talk" or "write" |
| 01:43.00 | sysfault | anyone know what the recommended partitioning scheme is for a 2 user system, and a small little home workstation. |
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| 01:43.25 | mwilson | sysfault: There is one? |
| 01:43.26 | cafuego | sysfault: /, /home and swap. |
| 01:43.35 | United | question? is there a simple way to install kde? what is the package name becuase there are a billion of them |
| 01:43.40 | sysfault | no /usr, /tmp ? |
| 01:43.41 | cafuego | I wouldn't bother with anything else. |
| 01:43.45 | softrat | How do I test my computer's sound system? |
| 01:43.46 | aFlag | df shows the space available on that filesystem rather than on the filesystem containing the device node (which is always the root filesystem) |
| 01:43.50 | PerfDave | !install kde |
| 01:43.50 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 01:43.51 | aFlag | what does that mean? |
| 01:44.00 | PerfDave | United: ^^ |
| 01:44.01 | sysfault | cafuego: I see. |
| 01:44.07 | dvs | softrat: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 01:44.07 | cafuego | sysfault: I tend to not bother with thsoe, no. |
| 01:44.09 | United | got ya |
| 01:44.11 | United | thank you! :) |
| 01:44.17 | liable | for some reason, when I click to open something in kde, it doesnt open untill a couple of minutes later, any ideas? |
| 01:44.20 | cafuego | sysfault: I use tmpfs as /tmp |
| 01:44.22 | softrat | OK -- tanks |
| 01:44.28 | sysfault | aah |
| 01:44.31 | cafuego | That auto-decrufts. |
| 01:44.31 | PerfDave | liable: What sort of something? What are you clicking in? |
| 01:44.48 | dondelelcaro | liable: does ping $(hostname) start pinging immediately? |
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| 01:44.56 | liable | PerfDave: konqueror mostly |
| 01:45.01 | PerfDave | liable: Websites, or local files? |
| 01:45.08 | liable | local |
| 01:45.17 | dabreegs1er | How can I have a status line/bar at the top or bottom of my console screen without running screen or messing with splitvt? If I use SVGATextMode to increase my display to 30 rows then tell stty I have 29, I can't really manipulate the last line. |
| 01:45.24 | PerfDave | liable: Hmm, strange. Might be worth asking #debian-kde or even #kde about it |
| 01:45.51 | liable | PerfDave: yep, might give them a go thanks |
| 01:45.53 | dondelelcaro | dabreegs1er: why not just embed it into your prompt? |
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| 01:46.04 | mwilson | dabreegs1er: Do whatever it is you think you need in your prompt. |
| 01:46.08 | softrat | I get nothing. |
| 01:46.09 | poonj | hey guys...I am quite lost with a problem. I have two network cards, one is built in to my nForce2 Motherboard and the other is a 3com 3c59x card. No where in my /etc/modules* configuration files loads the forcedeth module, but whenever I reboot, it keeps loading up. The problem is that the 3c59x card doesn't work when the forcedeth loads up |
| 01:46.22 | zuralin | poonj, works for me |
| 01:46.26 | poonj | any ideas where the system loads up the module? |
| 01:46.46 | zuralin | poonj, asus a7n8x? |
| 01:46.49 | poonj | zuralin: I don't know...it gives me trouble...but I'm not going to use it... |
| 01:46.58 | mwilson | People wo buy nforce motherboards deserve whatever happens to them. |
| 01:46.58 | poonj | ECS N2400 |
| 01:47.00 | dondelelcaro | poonj: probably modprobe or discover is loading it. |
| 01:47.07 | dvs | poonj: Check your /etc/modules.conf file |
| 01:47.10 | dabreegs1er | mwilson: Not an option. I've set up a hotkey on the console to play the next music track in my playlist and I want it to show the name of a song when I change it. |
| 01:47.17 | thingfish | hehe mwilson |
| 01:47.18 | poonj | dvs: its not in there at all |
| 01:47.21 | zuralin | poonj, try adding them to the discover blacklist |
| 01:47.22 | liable | dondelelcaro: I get unknown host when I do that |
| 01:47.28 | poonj | okay |
| 01:47.29 | dondelelcaro | liable: that's your problem. |
| 01:47.30 | dabreegs1er | mwilson: putting it in the prompt wouldn't quite work. Maybe I could modify vcstime... |
| 01:47.39 | dondelelcaro | liable: you need to add your hostname to /etc/hosts so that it actually resolves. |
| 01:47.40 | liable | loopback? |
| 01:47.58 | liable | dondelelcaro: ok thanks will give it go |
| 01:48.53 | poonj | zuralin: discover.conf? |
| 01:48.56 | softrat | dvs: I still get no sound. |
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| 01:49.13 | PerfDave | dabreegs1er: Maybe you could echo to /dev/console when you change the track? |
| 01:49.27 | dvs | softrat: What did you do? |
| 01:49.56 | dabreegs1er | PerfDave: I could, but that's messy. It'll stick it anywhere. And I can't erase it after a second. |
| 01:49.57 | softrat | dvs: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp, like you said |
| 01:50.06 | dabreegs1er | PerfDave: without Ctrl+L, which ruins .* |
| 01:50.13 | dvs | softrat: ALSA or OSS? |
| 01:50.36 | softrat | dvs: I don't know. How does one find out? |
| 01:50.43 | dabreegs1er | PerfDave: I'll mod vcstime to echo custom info |
| 01:50.46 | dvs | softrat: lsmod | grep snd_ |
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| 01:50.50 | raf256 | hi |
| 01:50.54 | cafuego | poonj: 'hotplug' or 'discover' is probably loading it. Add it to the blacklist. |
| 01:51.03 | raf256 | with FTP servr is 100% secure (in sarge)? |
| 01:51.10 | raf256 | vsftpd, proftpd, or both? |
| 01:51.19 | poonj | cafuego: discover.conf -> skip forcedeth am I correct? |
| 01:51.28 | cafuego | raf256: No ftp server is 100% secure. |
| 01:51.45 | cafuego | poonj: Yep. and also /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist |
| 01:51.47 | raf256 | cafuego: ok, with is more secure? |
| 01:51.49 | inetd | wow cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 01:51.50 | poonj | okat |
| 01:51.54 | inetd | thats noisy |
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| 01:52.05 | softrat | dvs:there will be a slight delay..... |
| 01:52.05 | dvs | inetd: It is noisy, but it works. |
| 01:52.14 | markybob | raf256, your best bet with ftp is vsftpd |
| 01:52.17 | cafuego | inetd: Think that's noisy? Try a :wumpscut: mp3. |
| 01:52.22 | poonj | in modules.conf... |
| 01:52.25 | raf256 | inetd: try echoing the kernel source - it contains short satanic meesage |
| 01:52.34 | raf256 | inetd: ...echoing int o /dev/dsp |
| 01:52.38 | poonj | if I want to set an alias...its alias eth0 3c59x |
| 01:52.43 | poonj | am I correct as well? |
| 01:52.48 | dvs | poonj: yes |
| 01:53.01 | inetd | is there are way to detect if nething being played ? |
| 01:53.02 | cafuego | poonj: No, anywhere in /etc/modprobe.d/<file file> |
| 01:53.06 | cafuego | s/file file/some/file/ |
| 01:53.17 | raf256 | markybob: it seems proftpd have a bit more options, like MySql usage, or application to wathc its current status.. is it less secure | ? |
| 01:53.30 | raf256 | are there any known expolits in proftpd, can I chroot proftpd? |
| 01:53.42 | cafuego | raf256: Yes. Same goes for any other ftpd. |
| 01:53.44 | softrat | dvs: "lsmod QM_MODULES function not implemented" |
| 01:53.54 | cafuego | !qm_modules |
| 01:53.54 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 01:53.55 | dvs | softrat: ??? |
| 01:53.58 | markybob | raf256, are you stupid? if there were any known exploits, they'd be fixed. |
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| 01:54.21 | raf256 | markybob: well, kernel have few local-to-root exploits |
| 01:54.26 | raf256 | doesnt it? |
| 01:54.35 | rafx | the latest weekly sarge isos are 24-march-2005. are there problems preventing updated isos? |
| 01:54.46 | cafuego | raf256: No. Those are patched. |
| 01:55.05 | dvs | rafx: No, those are a release candidate. |
| 01:55.10 | markybob | raf256, go to http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ and read. vsftpd is all about trying to be as secure as possible. it's what runs ftp.kernel.org and other major sites |
| 01:55.12 | raf256 | cafuego: each kernel that I get in sarge by apt-get is quaranteed to be free of local-to-root exploits? |
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| 01:55.14 | softrat | dvs: that what the box said in response to "lsmod|grep snd_" |
| 01:55.18 | rafx | thanks |
| 01:55.26 | dondelelcaro | raf256: no. |
| 01:55.28 | raf256 | markybob: well ok |
| 01:55.36 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: what "no"? |
| 01:55.39 | dondelelcaro | raf256: however, it should be free of known local root exploits. |
| 01:55.41 | cafuego | raf256: No. However, DISCOVERED exploits have been patched in them. |
| 01:55.51 | dvs | softrat: as cafuego said, you don't have module-init-tools installed. You must have just installed a 2.6 kernel |
| 01:56.03 | resiak | I'm attempting to bind one of my keyboard's uber-special hotkeys to Shift-Alt-Right. I know its keycode -- this is not the problem. I don't think I can use xbindkeys or hotkeys or anything like that, since they are for binding keys to program invocations. I figure xmodmap is the way forward, but I can't figure out how to make a key a keysym for a set of keys pressed together. |
| 01:56.10 | raf256 | ok, are there any known exploits in kernel of newest kernel in sarge (2.6.8-2 afair)? for non-smp |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | resiak: #snarf .. fucking lamers |
| 01:56.22 | cafuego | raf256: So yes, that emans they CAN contain up to 25 undiscovered local root vulnerabilities per 10,000 lines of code. |
| 01:56.27 | markybob | i cant believe it |
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| 01:56.36 | softrat | dvs: okay --- will try. |
| 01:56.49 | dabreegs1er | I'm trying to do a simple modification to a C program and I don't know C. Can somebody please, without telling me to RTFM or learn C, tell me how to put the contents of /tmp/foo into variable foo? |
| 01:56.59 | markybob | raf256, all known exploits get fixed in debian kernels. get it? got it? good. |
| 01:57.03 | resiak | dabreegs1er: No. |
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| 01:57.09 | raf256 | markybob: ok then \o/ |
| 01:57.10 | dondelelcaro | dabreegs1er: ask #C |
| 01:57.11 | resiak | dabreegs1er: RTFM and learn C. ;) |
| 01:57.15 | mdke | hi there. I'm finding it hard to find a fairly easy guide/howto for apache2 on debian. Can anyone point me to a useful and digestible doc? i would appreciate it |
| 01:57.16 | cafuego | dabreegs1er: Easiest is to use my map_file() function and plonk the file contents int a char *. |
| 01:57.17 | RememberPOL | Hey does anyone know how to take a screenshot that INCLUDES the mouse cursor? |
| 01:57.21 | raf256 | also, is there some good page containing comparsion of kernels, |
| 01:57.22 | PerfDave | dabreegs1er: Is /tmp/foo a file? |
| 01:57.28 | dabreegs1er | I'll learn by example then. |
| 01:57.29 | raf256 | but from _users_ point of view.. |
| 01:57.30 | dondelelcaro | mdke: hte documentation is in /usr/share/doc/apache2/* etc. |
| 01:57.35 | dabreegs1er | cafuego: thanks |
| 01:57.37 | raf256 | ..like seurity, speed, new drivers, new futures |
| 01:57.41 | dabreegs1er | PerfDave: yep |
| 01:57.46 | cafuego | dabreegs1er: You don't have the code to do that, though. |
| 01:57.47 | raf256 | (not only raw changelog) |
| 01:57.50 | resiak | !info apache2-doc sarge |
| 01:57.52 | dpkg | apache2-doc: (documentation for apache2), section doc, is optional. Version: 2.0.53-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 3493 kB, Installed size: 13968 kB |
| 01:57.54 | mdke | dondelelcaro, is that debian specific documentation? |
| 01:57.56 | resiak | mdke: ^^ |
| 01:57.56 | dabreegs1er | PerfDave: I'm modifying vcstime to echo whatever is in /tmp/foo |
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| 01:57.57 | dondelelcaro | mdke: there's really not much that's special about the Debian packages though... the interesting stuff is all the same across distributions. |
| 01:58.01 | dondelelcaro | mdke: yes. |
| 01:58.06 | dabreegs1er | cafuego: see what I just said to PerfDave |
| 01:58.24 | mdke | dondelelcaro, i've noticed some separate configuration files that I'm not familiar with so wanted to check it out. Thanks for the tip |
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| 01:58.38 | kendkos | once sarge becomes Stable, what will the next Testing be called? |
| 01:58.44 | kendkos | or has that decision been made yet? :) |
| 01:58.51 | dvs | kendkos: etch |
| 01:58.58 | cafuego | dabreegs1er: Yeh. open the file, read contenst to char pointer, close file. |
| 01:59.02 | dondelelcaro | mdke: yeah, those are just there so that modules that you install can be loaded without mucking with your configuration files. |
| 01:59.03 | kendkos | okay, that's what I figured based on the doc up at debian.org, thx :) |
| 01:59.19 | dabreegs1er | cafuego: alright |
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| 01:59.22 | cafuego | dabreegs1er: Want me to paste some code for that for you? |
| 01:59.24 | dondelelcaro | mdke: it'll all become clear ot you if you read the main configuration file, which includes those subsidiary files. |
| 01:59.26 | raf256 | how should I insteall nvidia for 2.6.8-2 - should I apt-get something, or get nvidia .run and execute it manually? do I need to apt-get kernel source first (with package exacly?) |
| 01:59.34 | mdke | dondelelcaro, yeah i understand the module bit. |
| 01:59.53 | markybob | raf256, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 01:59.59 | mdke | dondelelcaro, its the sites-enable and sites-available stuff that I need to get my head around |
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| 02:00.21 | resiak | !tell raf256 -about nvidia howto |
| 02:00.31 | dvs | mdke: What so hard about it? |
| 02:00.32 | resiak | markybob: Point people at the howto, not at the one-lier |
| 02:00.43 | mdke | dvs, i don't know, i'm just not familiar with it |
| 02:00.46 | markybob | resiak, sure, master. whatever you'd like. |
| 02:00.48 | dabreegs1er | cafuego: yes, please. thanks. |
| 02:00.49 | raf256 | neat thnx |
| 02:01.10 | abrotman | mdke: it's quite easy .. the files in sites-enable are actually links to files in sites-available .. make the link if you want to enable a site/config etc |
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| 02:01.31 | mdke | abrotman, and each file stands for a different virtual server is that right? |
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| 02:01.55 | abrotman | mdke: not necessariyol |
| 02:01.58 | cafuego | dabreegs1er: Lemme just fix it up (it has referenced to custom log and malloc() functions |
| 02:02.00 | softrat | dvs: still no sound... |
| 02:02.12 | resiak | markybob: Just a suggestion, because the one-liner assumes that the reader knows what m-a a-i means... I'm sorry, I'll leave you to answer the inevitable "m-a: command not found" ... Oh, I had no idea it actually worked. Thanks for making me check. |
| 02:02.18 | dvs | softrat: What does "lspci | grep snd_" say? |
| 02:02.20 | dabreegs1er | cafuego: C is too low-level for me. |
| 02:02.31 | cafuego | dabreegs1er: C is fun! |
| 02:02.33 | softrat | dvs: (nothing) |
| 02:02.45 | dvs | softrat: You're using OSS. |
| 02:02.49 | softrat | dvs: that is: lsmod finds nothing |
| 02:02.49 | markybob | resiak, heh |
| 02:02.52 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.58 | dabreegs1er | cafuego: not if you don't know it and really need to modify a program written in it |
| 02:02.58 | dvs | softrat: Which sound card was it again? |
| 02:03.05 | dabreegs1er | cafuego: and Perl is funner ;) |
| 02:03.13 | abrotman | funner? |
| 02:03.14 | softrat | dvs: one moment |
| 02:03.21 | Azar | !funner |
| 02:03.21 | dpkg | funner is, like, bad English |
| 02:03.37 | dvs | softrat: Actually, type "lspci | grep audio" |
| 02:03.38 | dabreegs1er | Yes. Funner. |
| 02:04.03 | travisat | !dict funner |
| 02:04.05 | dpkg | could not find definition for funner |
| 02:04.06 | Azar | quiz time who was the inventor of the first microcomputer? |
| 02:04.37 | softrat | dvs: ESS PCI Solo-1 sound card |
| 02:04.40 | Azar | answer Keith Taft |
| 02:04.48 | dvs | softrat: ??? |
| 02:05.00 | dvs | softrat: I have no idea what driver that card uses. |
| 02:05.17 | Azar | dvs that would be a normal VIA |
| 02:05.30 | dvs | Azar: Thanks |
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| 02:06.30 | dvs | via_82cxxx |
| 02:06.43 | softrat | dvs: ESS PCI Solo-1 sound card - aka ES1969 |
| 02:06.48 | dvs | softrat: Try "lsmod | grep via_82cxxx" |
| 02:06.54 | dvs | softrat: Try "lsmod | grep via_" |
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| 02:07.08 | paster | "Cafuego" at 59.167.72.27 pasted "map_file() function for dabreegs1er" (77 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/398 |
| 02:07.20 | cafuego | dabreegs1er: There yo go. |
| 02:07.30 | dabreegs1er | cafuego: thank you. 77 LINES!? |
| 02:07.38 | cafuego | dabreegs1er: verbose, annotated. |
| 02:07.40 | dabreegs1er | Perl is easier. |
| 02:07.41 | softrat | dvs: lsmod returns nothing (just the header for lsmod) |
| 02:07.44 | dabreegs1er | cafuego: thanks, though |
| 02:08.04 | p8m | python is easier to read |
| 02:08.07 | dvs | softrat: Header for lsmod? |
| 02:08.08 | cafuego | dabreegs1er: There's an easier way to do it in C, but this also works on binary files. |
| 02:08.34 | dabreegs1er | cafuego: nifty |
| 02:08.41 | softrat | dvs: Yeah: "Module size Used by" |
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| 02:09.04 | dvs | softrat: It shouldn't be saying that for "lsmod | grep via" |
| 02:09.05 | softrat | dvs: but there are no modules listed there, |
| 02:09.21 | dvs | softrat: reboot |
| 02:09.38 | cafuego | dabreegs1er: You user this one like: myvar = map_file("/tmp/foo"); free(myvar); |
| 02:09.49 | softrat | dsv:right. I left off the grep |
| 02:09.56 | dvs | softrat: If there are no modules loaded, something's terribly wrong. |
| 02:09.57 | cafuego | dabreegs1er: Don't forget the free() call. |
| 02:10.14 | dabreegs1er | cafuego: alright |
| 02:10.16 | Azar | softrat try pager /proc/pci |
| 02:10.18 | softrat | dvs: OK, rebooting -- see ya later. and Thanks! |
| 02:10.36 | resiak | cafuego: You write that just now? |
| 02:10.51 | cafuego | resiak: No, that's from a project of mine. |
| 02:11.02 | cafuego | resiak: used to display ANSI text files on screen. |
| 02:11.24 | resiak | cafuego: Okay. Do you mind if I hang on to it as well? |
| 02:11.29 | cafuego | resiak: I did remove the log function calls, though. |
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| 02:11.39 | cafuego | resiak: Feel free :-) |
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| 02:12.08 | cafuego | resiak: Hint: don't use it on ISO images. |
| 02:12.16 | aFlag | how do i make it so i can type accents in the terminal? |
| 02:12.25 | resiak | cafuego: Thanks. Omission of "long"? |
| 02:12.25 | aFlag | i want to have utf-8 on it |
| 02:12.39 | cafuego | aFlag: Accênts? |
| 02:12.49 | cafuego | resiak: Ey? |
| 02:12.53 | aFlag | i can't figure out how to make it though |
| 02:12.58 | aFlag | cafuego: yes |
| 02:13.01 | Overand | cafuego: that looked uggly on my client |
| 02:13.05 | resiak | aFlag: Yóû wħà ŧ? |
| 02:13.06 | Overand | that ust have been unicode |
| 02:13.14 | Overand | looks like it's still unicode |
| 02:13.22 | resiak | Overand: Amazingly, IT IS! |
| 02:13.23 | aFlag | i can't see them, they show up all wierd :( |
| 02:13.24 | SpAc | Hi! Im compiling UnrealIRCd from the source. Im fine with all that, should i make a specific user to run ircd? And should i just compile & run it from within their home dir? The docs don't give any indication as to users or directories. I hope this isn't a TOO stupid Q! |
| 02:13.28 | resiak | cafuego: You say not ISO. |
| 02:13.34 | cafuego | Overand: 7bit bæstård |
| 02:13.44 | cafuego | resiak: tends to run out of ram ;-) |
| 02:13.45 | Overand | cafuego: that's "Acc(capital A with a tilde, small A over a line)nts |
| 02:14.02 | Overand | SpAc: just don't run it as root =] |
| 02:14.07 | resiak | cafuego: Ah, yes. The m in mmap. :) |
| 02:14.12 | aFlag | :( |
| 02:14.16 | SpAc | Overand: :P k! |
| 02:14.38 | Overand | SpAc: but in all seriousness, it might make sense to make a user for it and limit the snot out of its permissions |
| 02:14.53 | resiak | !tell aFlag -about locales |
| 02:14.59 | cafuego | resiak: the free() and malloc() calls also have been changed, I use my own xfree() and xmalloc() wrappers that won't operate on NULL pointers. |
| 02:15.23 | SpAc | ok, i know people don't really encourage running an ircd |
| 02:15.34 | resiak | cafuego: But, but, malloc() doesn't take a pointer! |
| 02:15.50 | aFlag | i have en_US.UTF-8 and en_US ISO-8859-1 installed here |
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| 02:16.10 | resiak | !tell aFlag -about utf-8 |
| 02:16.28 | tag | is there a program like watch in apt? |
| 02:16.30 | resiak | aFlag: Now you need a unicode terminal. How about rxvt-unicode |
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| 02:16.47 | cafuego | resiak: no, but mine exits gracefully when malloc() *returns* NULL |
| 02:16.50 | SpAc | but it's a bit of a learning experience as well. Just wondering weather i should compile and place the binary with the other system binarys and the config files in /etc/ or whether I should just keep everything together |
| 02:16.54 | resiak | cafuego: Ohhhhh. |
| 02:17.02 | resiak | SpAc: Keep everything in /usr/local |
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| 02:17.27 | aFlag | hum |
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| 02:17.53 | madclicker | can someone tell me how do i make vi to display colour? |
| 02:17.59 | SpAc | resiak: so extract, compile and run in /user/local/Unreal ? For eg. Or perhaps extract, compile in /src but run form /usr/local ? |
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| 02:18.14 | jeffreyj | can someone recommend me a good game that isnt open gl requried? |
| 02:18.15 | Azar | madclicker you set up your environment |
| 02:18.17 | aFlag | resiak: the terminal i'm talking about is the console not a xterminal |
| 02:18.31 | aFlag | rxvt-unicode is the thing i'm talking about? |
| 02:18.31 | kbotc | Hello, can anyone in here help me with a network question? |
| 02:18.34 | resiak | SpAc: Compile it pretty much where-ever you like (I use ~/src) but you _must_ _not_ install things outside of /usr/local or /opt |
| 02:18.38 | resiak | !tell kbotc -about ask |
| 02:18.59 | resiak | aFlag: You've got me there, I'm afraid :) |
| 02:19.02 | madclicker | Azar: isn't there a conf file? |
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| 02:19.15 | Eclipser | arf |
| 02:19.21 | SuperSox | Are there any (estimated) user statistics for debian? |
| 02:19.28 | resiak | aFlag: Ah, no you haven't. Try running unicode_start (as root) in a terminal. |
| 02:19.34 | SpAc | resiak: ok :) I'm still learning linux, is that a good rule to stick to across the board? |
| 02:19.36 | dondelelcaro | SuperSox: popcon can give you some ideas |
| 02:19.44 | SuperSox | dondelelcaro: popcon? |
| 02:19.48 | dondelelcaro | !popcon |
| 02:19.48 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 02:19.57 | SuperSox | dondelelcaro: thank you :) |
| 02:20.00 | resiak | SpAc: In Debian, yes. apt and dpkg stay out of /usr/local/ and /opt. In return, you stay in there :) |
| 02:20.00 | Eclipser | ut2k3 worked properly on my radeon9100/sblive but now that I have radeon9600xt and audigy2 it's slow as hell :p |
| 02:20.13 | aFlag | resiak: that makes everything even wierder hehe |
| 02:20.31 | resiak | aFlag: Fixed things for me... |
| 02:20.49 | Azar | madclicker try vimtutor |
| 02:20.52 | SuperSox | ahh dondelelcaro I was looking more for a ballpark figure of how many people use debian, although, I suppose popcon helps, its likely to be a rather small subset |
| 02:20.53 | aFlag | strange |
| 02:20.56 | kbotc | aight, I have three wired routers, each with a four port switch/(hub?) built in. One of the Routers has a port labeled "Uplink" and they all have WAN ports. I want to make a LAN that can support 10 computers. Is this possible? |
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| 02:21.05 | aFlag | resiak: what locale do you have installed? |
| 02:21.17 | resiak | aFlag: en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 02:21.21 | dondelelcaro | SuperSox: any such survey is kind of flawed. netcraft has some information, but they're flawed as well |
| 02:21.29 | madclicker | to which file would i append "alais SCSI_hostadapter AHCI"?? |
| 02:21.40 | madclicker | alais |
| 02:21.44 | madclicker | alias |
| 02:21.50 | SpAc | resiak: and you'd agree with me making a specific user... say ircd? to run the daemon? |
| 02:21.55 | aFlag | i have en_US.UTF-8 but i don't think it'd make much difference :-/ |
| 02:22.08 | resiak | aFlag: Je ne sais pas. Have you done export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 02:22.15 | aFlag | yes |
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| 02:22.19 | Azar | madclicker you can configure how commands would behave, commands like ls, vi, etc |
| 02:22.24 | Azar | that for is alisa |
| 02:22.27 | Azar | alias |
| 02:22.27 | resiak | aFlag: I remember I found a tutorial somewhere on teh intarweb. Or perhaps it was someone on IRC. I can't remember. |
| 02:22.30 | SuperSox | dondelelcaro: Oh I know, I'd only expect a ballpark figure :) |
| 02:22.49 | aFlag | it kinda works, but not too good |
| 02:22.53 | SuperSox | its more curiosity than anything however, so I'm not too bothered if i don't find an answer |
| 02:23.01 | Azar | madclick try alias vi --color=auto' |
| 02:23.05 | madclicker | shiat , is debian ever confusing after using RPM based systems |
| 02:23.07 | dondelelcaro | SuperSox: yeah, but that's always the problem. There's no way of getting a balpark figure, since you're always limited by who actually reports. But netcraft can give you an idea |
| 02:23.26 | aFlag | and having LANG=en_US.UTF-8 screws up manpages i don't know why |
| 02:23.38 | resiak | aFlag: There's stuff about that on the tutorial I found. |
| 02:23.46 | SuperSox | dondelelcaro: true, true... |
| 02:23.52 | resiak | aFlag: Read the utf-8 factoid. |
| 02:24.02 | aFlag | i remember on slackware it simple worked, i didn't have to do anything but choose the locale during the installation :( |
| 02:24.30 | SpAc | ok... time to give it a whirl! Would u recommend a different ircd to unlrealircd? |
| 02:24.42 | resiak | !u |
| 02:24.43 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:25.22 | madclicker | Azar: would that be in my .bashrc?? |
| 02:25.34 | aFlag | !wud |
| 02:25.35 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 02:25.49 | Azar | hmm madclicker, I have never tried vi with colors, I do not think alias will work |
| 02:26.02 | Azar | but try see if vimtutor has the howto |
| 02:26.08 | Overand | vi does syntax highlighting |
| 02:26.11 | Overand | so does nano, heh |
| 02:26.14 | aFlag | wud = would? |
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| 02:26.20 | Overand | nano *can* do syntax highlighting, even |
| 02:26.28 | PerfDave | Oh God, I installed Sarge and it made me use nano before I installed vim :) |
| 02:26.28 | Azar | Overand, editors war? |
| 02:26.34 | Overand | nah |
| 02:26.38 | Overand | use what you ike |
| 02:26.41 | Overand | i like nano |
| 02:26.43 | dvs | PerfDave: The horror! |
| 02:26.46 | Azar | ok I like vi |
| 02:26.47 | aFlag | does vi syntax highlight? I thought only vim did it |
| 02:26.47 | Overand | vi is 'more flexible' and 'better' probably |
| 02:26.51 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: that's just the default sensible-editor, since vi isn't sensible to many people |
| 02:26.54 | resiak | PerfDave: I tried to teach my parent to use nano. He threw a fit because it didn't explain that ^W means Ctrl-W |
| 02:27.05 | Overand | yeah nano is certainly easier |
| 02:27.09 | Overand | haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahhaa |
| 02:27.10 | madclicker | aFlag: only vim |
| 02:27.14 | Overand | resiak: that's reasonable though |
| 02:27.17 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Oh, I don't disagree with that, but it came as a nasty surprise for me ;) |
| 02:27.30 | resiak | Overand: Yes, I know that it is. He was on a "how was I supposed to know that?" rant at the time. |
| 02:27.31 | Overand | nano, pico, 'edit' |
| 02:27.34 | dondelelcaro | of course, if you're using vi, you should be able to figure out how to update-alternatives --config; or set EDITOR appropriately. |
| 02:27.38 | Overand | well |
| 02:27.39 | Overand | i mean |
| 02:27.42 | Overand | it's a reasonable rant |
| 02:27.46 | Overand | if the app was 'designed for new users' |
| 02:27.47 | aFlag | vi is pretty shitty, vim is good though |
| 02:27.51 | d0ugie | is there a simple way to get apache to deny access to visitors using a certain client (in my case, people Wgetting all my pr0n at the same time)? |
| 02:27.51 | aFlag | i love vim :) |
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| 02:28.09 | Azar | when I first learned vi vim was not around |
| 02:28.13 | dondelelcaro | d0ugie: yes. However, it's trivial for them to bypass that restriction. |
| 02:28.20 | bbrazil | d0ugie: yes, see mod_rewrite |
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| 02:28.29 | madclicker | aFlag: do u have colour when editing? |
| 02:28.40 | aFlag | sure |
| 02:28.52 | madclicker | aFlag: how? |
| 02:29.02 | aFlag | :syn on |
| 02:29.17 | d0ugie | heh |
| 02:29.28 | madclicker | aFlag: /etc/vim/vimrc? |
| 02:29.43 | Azar | madclicker do you have vi or vim? |
| 02:29.57 | madclicker | Azar: vim |
| 02:30.11 | aFlag | madclicker: you can write it in there |
| 02:30.24 | aFlag | you'll write only syn on then not :syn on |
| 02:30.45 | Azar | madclicker try the interactive tutorial : vimtutor |
| 02:31.40 | aFlag | i think if you want to add to every user you should edit /etc/vim/vim.local though |
| 02:31.44 | madclicker | Azar: I just installed sarge, got nothing but console, i am assuming vimtutor is on the net, |
| 02:31.49 | aFlag | not /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 02:31.54 | CharlesBrown | http://www.pastebin.com/266357 |
| 02:31.57 | Overand | madclicker: use 'links' |
| 02:32.01 | CharlesBrown | Anyone know what is wrong with my squid.conf? |
| 02:32.02 | Overand | text-based web browser |
| 02:32.12 | CharlesBrown | I want to be able to use a box, I'm sshing to remotely, as a proxy. |
| 02:32.15 | Overand | madclicker: do you know how to get around in the console? |
| 02:32.17 | aFlag | well both you get you what you want but i think editing vim.local is the preferred way |
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| 02:32.28 | madclicker | aFlag: there is no such file |
| 02:32.35 | aFlag | madclicker: create it |
| 02:32.40 | madclicker | i got only /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 02:32.52 | madclicker | k |
| 02:32.53 | aFlag | create vim.local on that directory |
| 02:32.57 | aFlag | vimrc will call it |
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| 02:33.13 | zuralin | why not just create a ~/.vimrc ? |
| 02:33.14 | madclicker | and add syn on |
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| 02:33.46 | madclicker | on RPM based systems console and vim are coloured |
| 02:33.46 | United | how can i add usb support? |
| 02:33.52 | United | fresh install from sarge |
| 02:33.59 | United | using a ms optical mouse with kde |
| 02:34.00 | dvs | United: Which Chipset do you have? |
| 02:34.11 | United | sis ? its on a laptop |
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| 02:34.35 | SteveWrightNZ | <OT> anyone got a Sony Ericsson R520 phone ? what does the antenna connector look like ? /msg SteveWrightNZ pls |
| 02:34.36 | dvs | United: Which kernel (uname -r)? |
| 02:35.03 | United | 2.4.27-grsec-110304 |
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| 02:35.58 | Azar | madclicker do you use apt-get to install programs like vi / vim? |
| 02:36.41 | madclicker | Azar: yeap |
| 02:36.48 | dvs | United: Try "modprobe usb-ohci" |
| 02:36.49 | aFlag | madclicker: that has nothing to do with rpm |
| 02:36.56 | Azar | well you do not need a browser to download it and install |
| 02:37.07 | Azar | you do not even need a desktop for that |
| 02:37.31 | PerfDave | 2.4.27-grsec-110304 is not a kernel you'd get with a default Sarge install, is it? I think it's a kernel used by one of the non-Debian derivatives. |
| 02:37.35 | madclicker | aFlag: i never had to configure colour before, it comes as a default |
| 02:37.49 | dvs | PerfDave: Good call |
| 02:37.52 | aFlag | it has nothing to do with rpm though |
| 02:38.01 | shingouz | SteveWrightNZ: looks like a MCX connector to me |
| 02:38.10 | madclicker | true, with distro i guess |
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| 02:38.35 | SteveWrightNZ | shingouz: http://www.connectworld.net/iecnet/images/jpeg/TNC-RG59.jpg <-- this ? |
| 02:38.48 | United | dvs cant open no such file or directory |
| 02:38.52 | madclicker | Azar: there is no such package vimtutor |
| 02:39.00 | kronos[pka] | can anyone give me a link to a howto so i can learn to make a crontab ? i want to make a script that makes a tar.gz backup every 5 hours |
| 02:39.00 | dvs | United: as root |
| 02:39.05 | United | yea i am root |
| 02:39.05 | Azar | madclicker just do apt-get install vim |
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| 02:39.11 | Azar | it comes with vimtutor |
| 02:39.13 | dvs | United: I don't know then |
| 02:39.18 | resiak | kronos[pka]: mn crontab |
| 02:39.21 | madclicker | buhhhh |
| 02:39.23 | resiak | kronos[pka]: man crontab |
| 02:39.29 | Azar | madclicker after download/install just type vimtutor |
| 02:39.30 | kronos[pka] | thanks |
| 02:39.38 | madclicker | Azar: i dig |
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| 02:39.54 | shingouz | SteveWrightNZ: nope, that is a TNC |
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| 02:41.08 | SteveWrightNZ | shingouz: http://images.google.com/images?q=mcx+connector <--- one of these ? |
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| 02:41.16 | shingouz | SteveWrightNZ: http://www.commlinx.com.au/MCX_connector.htm |
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| 02:41.41 | United | crap |
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| 02:41.50 | United | how do i uninstall kde? everything that was installed with kde? |
| 02:41.55 | shingouz | SteveWrightNZ: and i am not absolutely sure about it, i do not want to dig out my ericsson from somewhere and try to take measurements out of it right now ;) |
| 02:41.59 | United | i use apt-get -u install kde to get it |
| 02:42.11 | SteveWrightNZ | shingouz: no worriez. thank you |
| 02:42.16 | shingouz | SteveWrightNZ: in anycase all Ericssons have the same connector |
| 02:42.23 | SteveWrightNZ | ok |
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| 02:43.42 | shingouz | SteveWrightNZ: they also seem to have a thread on the body to keep the connector secure but i seem to recall that the MCX does the trick nicely. of course your best bet would be to just get the pigtail from ericsson |
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| 02:44.42 | United | how do i uninstall kde? everything that was installed with kde? i used apt-get -u install kde to install it, any ideas? |
| 02:44.51 | United | installed it on the wrong system lmao :\ |
| 02:44.51 | dvs | !remove kde |
| 02:44.51 | dpkg | somebody said remove kde was apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 02:44.52 | k3k0 | what bootmethod is good to use for old computer.. im planning to install sarge on it |
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| 02:45.10 | k3k0 | linux or linux26 ? |
| 02:45.18 | SteveWrightNZ | shingouz: this is true |
| 02:45.33 | dvs | k3k0: How old? |
| 02:45.39 | k3k0 | pII |
| 02:45.44 | shingouz | SteveWrightNZ: what are you planning to do there? |
| 02:45.50 | osynic | k3k0, I'm running sarge+2.6 on a p200 |
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| 02:45.58 | osynic | (not pro) |
| 02:46.00 | madclicker | hey guys, where do I find the common template for .bashrc? |
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| 02:46.16 | k3k0 | osynic: you have x on it ? |
| 02:46.19 | dvs | k3k0: The kernel is the least of your problem. I'd be more worried about the packages you instlal |
| 02:46.26 | osynic | k3k0, nah, it's a subversion+http server |
| 02:46.28 | rixth | How can I stop Gnome from grouping buttons on the window bar? |
| 02:46.40 | zl2tod | madclicker: /etc/skel |
| 02:46.49 | abrotman | rixth: the preferences for the bar |
| 02:46.51 | abrotman | err .. |
| 02:46.52 | abrotman | applet |
| 02:47.19 | zl2tod | is it just me that can't get the testing Packages file ? |
| 02:47.27 | madclicker | zl2tod:thx |
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| 02:47.39 | k3k0 | dvs: i try :) let see whats happened.. =) |
| 02:48.07 | dvs | k3k0: ok |
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| 02:49.03 | SteveWrightNZ | shingouz: permanently mount in a vehicle, with BT headset, and BT internet for my Laptop |
| 02:49.53 | shingouz | SteveWrightNZ: are you sure you cannot find the pigtail from somewhere? they are pretty common over here in finland in anycase |
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| 02:49.58 | zeeeee | hi all, i have 2 ssh servers behind a nat; i connect to them on ports 22 and 2222. ssh's warning about this machine's key changing is getting annoying, since i now always have to wipe out the entry in known_hosts. is there any way to have it remember host keys per host:port, instead of per host? |
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| 02:50.29 | SteveWrightNZ | shingouz: I havent tried.. was gunna homebrew one |
| 02:50.38 | United | how do i remove all x-windows stuff? |
| 02:50.46 | mward | Is there a good filelight-like program that does not require KDE? I want to visualize where all the disk space in a certain directory has gone. |
| 02:50.47 | SteveWrightNZ | shingouz: plugs are cheap |
| 02:50.48 | KirbyMeister | ALSA thinks my capture card is a sound card (which it's not, and has no sound output), how do I disable this 'feature' |
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| 02:50.59 | osynic | United, removing xlibs or xcommon might do it |
| 02:51.24 | dvs | United: remove x-window-system-core |
| 02:51.35 | shingouz | SteveWrightNZ: i have seen such pigtails here for just a few euros when the MCX usually costs to the tune of four to six euros a pop, gigahertz connectors are real expensive and a pain in the ass to crimp |
| 02:51.38 | KirbyMeister | I was going to remove snd_bt87x but I wanted to make sure that it wouldnt screw up anything |
| 02:51.52 | United | apt-get --purge remove |
| 02:51.54 | SteveWrightNZ | shingouz: yes, that is true |
| 02:51.56 | United | apt-get --purge remove x-window-system-core |
| 02:51.57 | United | ? |
| 02:52.03 | dvs | United: sure |
| 02:52.22 | United | Package x-window-system-core is not installed, so not removed |
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| 02:52.34 | KirbyMeister | I guess I'll remove it anyway |
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| 02:53.37 | KirbyMeister | CRAP! I cant remove it. What the heck could be using it? |
| 02:54.07 | shingouz | SteveWrightNZ: if you just cannot find one locally and you desperately need one i can mail you one. not for free of course but i'm not going to make any profit either ;) |
| 02:54.20 | madclicker | does anyone know what .screenrc file is for? |
| 02:54.34 | lateralthirdeye | mysql fans, where are the debian packages for mysql 4.1 ? official unstable is 4.0 something, I know there is a repository somewhere with the latest and greatest, please clue me in ! |
| 02:54.49 | SteveWrightNZ | shingouz: that would be greatly appreciated.. I will exhaust all my local options first |
| 02:54.52 | KirbyMeister | lateralthirdeye: I dont think you wanna search experimental |
| 02:55.04 | KirbyMeister | lateralthirdeye: It's where the broken software goes :) |
| 02:55.38 | Overand | lateralthirdeye: you could try dotdeb, that might have it |
| 02:55.39 | shingouz | SteveWrightNZ: :) |
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| 02:57.33 | jeffreyj | does debian have support for gamepads? |
| 02:58.00 | kaz_ | is there a way to find out how certain binaries were compiled? |
| 02:58.10 | KirbyMeister | Okay. I cannot remove this freaking module. It's causing my capture card to be enumerated as a dsp, thus making any program using /dev/dsp by default to go berserk |
| 02:58.17 | EvilSporkMan | jeffreyj: modprobe joydev |
| 02:58.23 | KirbyMeister | Unless there's a way to get gnomoradio to use /dev/dsp1 |
| 02:58.34 | EvilSporkMan | jeffreyj: gamepads are just joysticks, aren't they? |
| 02:58.55 | KirbyMeister | Or should I just try to remove ALSA? |
| 02:58.58 | zophyx | kaz_: that's an interesting question |
| 02:59.03 | jeffreyj | i think so yes |
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| 02:59.28 | jeffreyj | anyone know how to get it working with znes or visual boy advance |
| 02:59.40 | zophyx | kaz_: the ldd command will show which libs are loaded by an executable |
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| 03:00.04 | EvilSporkMan | jeffreyj: modprobe joydev as root. plug in joystick. go to zsnes options and do the auto-configure thing. Visual Boy Advance is a pain to configure; google around |
| 03:00.15 | EvilSporkMan | jeffreyj: i believe you'll need jstest |
| 03:00.21 | kaz_ | hmm... yeah I'm debating if I should use apt to install mysql-server-4.1 for AMD64, or if I should just build it from source. |
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| 03:01.07 | KirbyMeister | How can you make it so that a module is removed after a reboot? I need to remove snd_bt87x and modprobe wont let me. |
| 03:01.07 | jeffreyj | hmm thanks |
| 03:01.10 | jeffreyj | jstest you say? |
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| 03:01.44 | EvilSporkMan | jeffreyj: it's some silly little SDL utility |
| 03:02.02 | jeffreyj | ooh |
| 03:02.43 | jeffreyj | i use jstest to get visual boy advance to use gamepad? |
| 03:03.29 | zophyx | KirbyMeister: change your /etc/modules.conf and /etc/modules files if you don't want them loaded at boot time |
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| 03:05.08 | EvilSporkMan | jeffreyj: you need some button values to put in ~/.visualboyadvance, iirc |
| 03:05.28 | jeffreyj | yea..so where can i get jstest |
| 03:06.16 | KirbyMeister | zophyx: thank you |
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| 03:07.27 | cafuego | !find bin/jstest |
| 03:07.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/jstest' (1): (/usr/bin/jstest) in utils/joystick. |
| 03:07.44 | cafuego | Does that answer your question? |
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| 03:08.07 | jeffreyj | yes sir |
| 03:08.20 | crackbaby | can anyone help be keep back a broken package in apt? |
| 03:08.21 | jmspeex | Is it still recommended to run X at nice -10? If not, how do I change that? |
| 03:08.22 | jeffreyj | cant find it on my distro though |
| 03:08.42 | jeffreyj | and apt-get install jstest dosent get anything |
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| 03:09.02 | epix | whats a grub error 15 mean? |
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| 03:10.53 | madclicker | which file do i use to add kernel modules on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:11.59 | shingouz | jeffreyj: apt-cache search jstest |
| 03:12.01 | United | how do i start up kde? |
| 03:12.06 | United | i insatlled it but now i need to run it :) |
| 03:12.38 | crackbaby | so, mid apt-get update one package broke, now th whole thing is stuck. |
| 03:12.59 | crackbaby | I can't remove it and my box is kind of unusable now |
| 03:13.44 | ama | madclicker /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 i think |
| 03:13.47 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.54 | crackbaby | testing |
| 03:13.59 | Azar | crackbaby then tell us what kernel version you run |
| 03:14.04 | crackbaby | 2.4.27 |
| 03:14.25 | Cyanophytes | is it safe for me to remove apache |
| 03:14.29 | jeffreyj | shingouz, it dose show up |
| 03:14.33 | jeffreyj | but where can i find it |
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| 03:14.40 | crackbaby | azar "lock version" in synaptic crashes it |
| 03:14.49 | CroatianNinja | are there any good graphical firewall config apps? |
| 03:14.51 | crackbaby | azar: I'm really stuck |
| 03:15.01 | EvilSporkMan | jeffreyj: the word "joystick" there is the package name |
| 03:15.03 | shingouz | jeffreyj: apt-cache search jstest shows you what package you need to install |
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| 03:15.10 | Azar | crackbaby read this apt-primer howto first and make a decision: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9117 |
| 03:15.20 | crackbaby | azar: the box can't update anything since eth0 is disabled to update pcmcia |
| 03:15.20 | jeffreyj | got it |
| 03:15.22 | jeffreyj | thanks |
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| 03:15.28 | shingouz | np |
| 03:15.48 | Azar | crackbaby you can read there how to uninstall a broken package and clean |
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| 03:16.55 | Cyanophytes | Is ok to remove apache web server and whatever ftp server I have installed |
| 03:17.06 | EvilSporkMan | Cyanophytes: why wouldn't it be? |
| 03:17.24 | Cyanophytes | Just wanted to make sure it won't break anything |
| 03:17.40 | crackbaby | azar: thx, reading now |
| 03:18.16 | abrotman | only if something depends on them |
| 03:18.33 | Cyanophytes | EvilSporkMan: what's the default ftp server in debian instal |
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| 03:18.36 | shingouz | Cyanophytes: you can always "apt-get remove --simulate foo" to see what kinds of havoc it will do |
| 03:18.51 | crackbaby | azar: tried some. but it's in a very bad inconsistent state. |
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| 03:18.59 | kaz_ | does anywhere know where there is a howto on adding an additional hard disk to debian? |
| 03:19.12 | crackbaby | azar: so it won't let me remove it. can't reinstall since eth0 is down |
| 03:19.32 | Azar | crackbaby so that means you do not have a connection, right? |
| 03:19.42 | crackbaby | not on that machine, no |
| 03:19.43 | sussudio | !permasunday |
| 03:19.43 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
| 03:19.44 | jeffreyj | what device should i point jstest to? |
| 03:19.49 | dondelelcaro | kaz_: there really isn't one, because it's absurdly simple. Plug the drive in, use fdisk or cfdisk or whatever to partition it, use mkfs.ext2 or whatever to format the partitions, and edit /etc/fstab so that the partitions get mounted on boot. |
| 03:20.01 | jeffreyj | /dev/js0? |
| 03:20.11 | Azar | crackbaby then I would reinstall, it seems like you have not configured your eth0 correctly at installation |
| 03:20.22 | kaz_ | ok I'll give it a try. |
| 03:20.26 | crackbaby | azar: apt disabled pcmcia while updating |
| 03:20.32 | crackbaby | azar: then died mid-update |
| 03:20.39 | Azar | hmm laptop |
| 03:21.00 | inetd | quick mutt question, how do i set the defailt folder in mutt? like everytime i open mutt it goes to that folder |
| 03:21.10 | Azar | did you check your /etc/network/interface file? |
| 03:21.44 | Azar | crackbaby without a connection I have no idea how you could get a pcmcia driver there |
| 03:22.05 | Epixc | using debian netinst disk as a repair disk, bad |
| 03:22.11 | EvilSporkMan | Cyanophytes: no idea. is there one? |
| 03:22.30 | dondelelcaro | inetd: it's set in your muttrc. set mbox = whatever |
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| 03:22.33 | crackbaby | azar: I have one, works fine, but it's disabled. apt shut it off while updating drivers. apt died before it finished updating so I'm stuck without it |
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| 03:23.05 | cafuego | Epixc: No, sane. |
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| 03:23.31 | Azar | crackbaby I do not know stuff about pcmcia in Debian I never used a laptop... |
| 03:23.31 | Epixc | cafuego, only if you are using the shell... |
| 03:23.44 | shingouz | crackbaby: start the pcmcia and see if it works |
| 03:24.03 | crackbaby | azar: it's not in /etc/init.d |
| 03:24.11 | crackbaby | or */bin |
| 03:24.21 | crackbaby | azar: i guess I don't know how to start it |
| 03:24.25 | crackbaby | azar: modprobe? |
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| 03:24.30 | United | can somone help me get kde going? i installed kde but now how do i open it? |
| 03:24.41 | shingouz | crackbaby: /etc/init.d/pcmcia start |
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| 03:25.21 | Azar | crackbaby try reading this: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s01.html#id2532435 |
| 03:25.22 | liable | United: startx |
| 03:25.24 | crackbaby | shingouz: aha! brb! |
| 03:25.25 | madclicker | is there a debian fglrx module for PCI EXpress ATI cards? |
| 03:25.34 | shingouz | crackbaby: worked? |
| 03:25.38 | pap | united restart your computer and choose kde in the option pannel |
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| 03:26.18 | drac | madclicker: i've seen fglrx work with pci-e. |
| 03:26.51 | drac | madclicker: same driver you would use with agp. |
| 03:26.51 | madclicker | drac: where can i get it....i have no X help SOS???? |
| 03:27.22 | drac | madclicker: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 03:27.22 | madclicker | drac: i just installed sarge but no X |
| 03:27.39 | Cyanophytes | is there a way to list servers like web ftp irc that are being ran on my system? |
| 03:27.48 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: netstat -plunt |
| 03:28.36 | shingouz | madclicker: also /msg dpkg install xf4 |
| 03:28.37 | United | do i have to type startx as root or a user? |
| 03:28.44 | dondelelcaro | United: just as a user. |
| 03:28.51 | United | becuase when i am doing a user i get a error, unsable to connect to X server |
| 03:29.00 | dvs | United: root shouldn't work by default |
| 03:29.34 | United | well i am getting unable to connect to X server |
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| 03:29.54 | United | and it is saying xserverrc can not execute no such file or directory |
| 03:30.15 | rafx | what are the odds that xen 2.0 will make it into sarge? |
| 03:30.21 | jim | make plain users useful; you should never log in as root unless you're trying to give plain users abilities to use resources without changing them |
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| 03:30.34 | alexscott | yop |
| 03:30.48 | jim | rafx: 0.098249723486278345762476523475623745724 |
| 03:30.57 | alexscott | i see a command that i dont see before... |
| 03:30.58 | cg0def | do I need to have initrd.img file when I compile a custom kernel? |
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| 03:31.02 | alexscott | cleanlinks |
| 03:31.10 | rafx | close enough. i was thinking 8249723486278345762476523475623745724 |
| 03:31.10 | jim | so... man cleanlinks |
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| 03:31.24 | alexscott | i'm french and 1 dont understand "dangling" in the man |
| 03:31.27 | crackbaby_ | azar: one new computer, please repeat last link |
| 03:31.38 | crackbaby_ | connected to net, but I still can't fix it |
| 03:31.53 | crackbaby_ | azar: and of all packages, it's frozen-bubble-data |
| 03:32.12 | jim | alexscott: a dangling symbolic link, is a link that points to a file that does not exist |
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| 03:32.30 | alexscott | tx jim |
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| 03:32.57 | jim | compare to definitions of "dangle" |
| 03:33.06 | United | i am typing startx and it is saying xserverrc can not execute no such file or directory |
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| 03:33.28 | humbolt | anybody familiar with bind9 rndc?? |
| 03:33.34 | United | what about it |
| 03:33.45 | humbolt | do I put the keys of the clients that connect in the controls keys statement or do I have one key per named.conf and need this key at the client in the rndc.conf?? |
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| 03:33.48 | Azar | crackbaby: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/eni386/ch05s01.html#id2532435 |
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| 03:34.02 | Azar | hi jim :) |
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| 03:34.18 | jim | hi |
| 03:34.29 | vvlaw_ | hello |
| 03:34.52 | Epixc | WHAT! ifcinfig gives me nothing |
| 03:34.56 | jim | gotta get to my jam session and get milk too |
| 03:34.57 | Epixc | ifconfig* |
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| 03:35.06 | jim | ifconfig eth0 |
| 03:35.11 | jim | you could try that |
| 03:35.18 | jim | if you have an eth card |
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| 03:36.02 | kingsley | How many inodes does mkfs.ext2 make by default? |
| 03:36.12 | Vyrus001 | im trying to compile a mips debian kernel but when i run make xconfig i dont see the mips prossesor as an optin |
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| 03:36.22 | jim | if ifconfig gives you nothing, then none of your interfaces are configured, which is a strange situation for a debian box |
| 03:36.32 | jim | you should at least have lo |
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| 03:36.54 | Epixc | jim, ahh! |
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| 03:37.14 | Epixc | jim, ifup says: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
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| 03:37.32 | WiFiTux | abrotman, you there? |
| 03:37.37 | WiFiTux | !gnome10 |
| 03:37.42 | jim | then the interfaces file has some problem |
| 03:38.06 | United | my mouse is usb what is my mouse port? how do i figure this out? |
| 03:38.08 | Epixc | jim, how can i autoconf that? |
| 03:38.11 | noah_ | Does anyone know a good room to discuss boot problems with the debian installer for Mac OS X? |
| 03:38.22 | dondelelcaro | noah_: uh, what? |
| 03:38.33 | dondelelcaro | noah_: the Debian installer has nothing to do with mac os x |
| 03:38.36 | abrotman | WiFiTux: yes |
| 03:38.38 | jim | Epixc: output of ifconfig eth0 is paragraph? or error message? |
| 03:38.48 | WiFiTux | United, depending on the kernel, it should get the mouse by itself. |
| 03:38.53 | Epixc | jim, para |
| 03:38.58 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 03:38.58 | dpkg | somebody said usb mouse was "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 03:38.59 | noah_ | Yes it does... PowerMacs need a special boot partition - and I think the installer is screwing it up |
| 03:39.00 | United | so dev/psaux ? |
| 03:39.02 | WiFiTux | abrotman, what was the irc server and channel to ask about gnome in debian.? |
| 03:39.04 | jim | I'm really not the best person for this because I am in a HURRY |
| 03:39.12 | United | it is a usbmouse |
| 03:39.12 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 03:39.13 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 03:39.14 | jim | if you can deal with that, then we'll speed up now/ |
| 03:39.14 | Epixc | jim, how do i dhcpcd on debian? |
| 03:39.15 | dondelelcaro | noah_: yes, but that has nothing to do with MacOSX |
| 03:39.23 | abrotman | WiFiTux: got it? |
| 03:39.40 | WiFiTux | abrotman, wow! you are so nice! |
| 03:39.45 | jim | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 03:39.45 | noah_ | ok, fair point, s/mac os x/powermac g5/ |
| 03:39.48 | abrotman | WiFiTux: don't tell the others |
| 03:39.54 | jim | in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 03:40.18 | jim | you have to also make sure you have a dhcp client installed |
| 03:40.22 | WiFiTux | abrotman, I won't cause it ain't true :) |
| 03:40.24 | Epixc | jim, no such thing as iface\ |
| 03:40.27 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:40.28 | dvs | Epixc: auto eth0 would help too |
| 03:40.45 | adexta | why can't apt-get find the package for "limewire" |
| 03:40.51 | Epixc | dvs, where does that go? |
| 03:40.55 | abrotman | adexta: which version of debian? |
| 03:40.56 | dondelelcaro | noah_: just make the parition as appropriate (the installer should do this for you) and then run ybin -v -v; to install the appropriate kernel so that yaboot can boot from it. |
| 03:40.57 | jim | in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 03:41.04 | dvs | Epixc: both lines go in your interfaces file |
| 03:41.06 | abrotman | adexta: and try gtk-gnutella |
| 03:41.13 | jim | repeated so you see it this time :) |
| 03:41.34 | WiFiTux | abrotman, no one is in that stupid channel (just FYI) |
| 03:41.49 | abrotman | WiFiTux: yes they are .. #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 03:42.13 | WiFiTux | abrotman, I know it, I have seen people before. Now it was only chanserv, maybe a split. |
| 03:42.14 | abrotman | jim: try addressing him? |
| 03:42.21 | abrotman | WiFiTux: hrm ... |
| 03:42.23 | Epixc | jim, ok that worked but what about lo? |
| 03:42.24 | dondelelcaro | noah_: if you can't boot, you're going to have to. However, you need to chroot into your installed machine's directory, and run ybin from there, assuming the install has progressed that far. |
| 03:42.29 | dondelelcaro | noah_: (nb, keep it in the channel) |
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| 03:42.58 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i don't know where you are .. but i'm in the channel ... there are 50 people there |
| 03:43.05 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: ok, sorry - new to irc! ;) |
| 03:43.06 | crackbaby_ | can I keep a single package back with apt.conf or apt/preferences? |
| 03:43.07 | WiFiTux | abrotman, hhhmm g! |
| 03:43.24 | YamahaRx800 | does andone know how to use the flac encoder in the command line? |
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| 03:43.43 | jim | for your lo: |
| 03:43.46 | YamahaRx800 | anyone** |
| 03:43.47 | jim | auto lo |
| 03:43.47 | jim | iface lo inet loopback |
| 03:43.48 | noah_ | dondelelcaro why doesn't the installer do this for me automaticaly? no mind, i am confused as to how to "chroot into [my] installed machine's directory" though |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | !smack pseubodot |
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| 03:44.01 | dvs | crackbaby_: Just hold the package with dpkg |
| 03:44.03 | Epixc | jim, does order matter? |
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| 03:44.11 | Vyrus001 | im trying to compile a mips debian kernel but when i run make xconfig i dont see the mips prossesor as an option? |
| 03:44.15 | mward | Is there a good filelight-like program that does not require KDE? I want to visualize where all the disk space in a certain directory has gone. |
| 03:44.16 | jim | put the auto line first |
| 03:44.19 | WiFiTux | abrotman, odd seriously, I was just there. Maybe it was a splitted server. |
| 03:44.27 | jim | then the iface line for that auto |
| 03:44.28 | abrotman | Vyrus001: did you get debian installed ? |
| 03:44.31 | abrotman | WiFiTux: dunno .. |
| 03:44.38 | abrotman | WiFiTux: there are people there now? |
| 03:44.50 | YamahaRx800 | does anyone know how to use the flac encoder in the command line? |
| 03:45.01 | jim | once you get those two lines in there, let's test it |
| 03:45.02 | noah_ | mward: $ apt-cache search file | grep visual |
| 03:45.09 | jim | type: ifup lo |
| 03:45.09 | WiFiTux | abrotman, yes, there is. |
| 03:45.18 | Epixc | jim, woot thanks! |
| 03:45.18 | jim | then type: ifconfig |
| 03:45.19 | abrotman | YamahaRx800: ask again .. it's only been 5 seconds |
| 03:45.27 | pyr3 | I'm having a problem with procmail. I have everything set up correctly, and it works and delivers my mail to ~/mbox.... but then it still complains that it can't create /var/mail/username even though I've overridden DEFAULT and MAILDIR with my own values. |
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| 03:45.29 | Chameleon22 | whats /dev/shm used for is it swap or ...? |
| 03:45.34 | Vyrus001 | abrotman|| lol on my laptop yea :P |
| 03:45.35 | jim | do you get lo?" |
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| 03:45.44 | jim | a paragraph about lo |
| 03:45.47 | abrotman | WiFiTux: erm . ok |
| 03:45.48 | YamahaRx800 | abrotman: omg calm down |
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| 03:45.50 | Epixc | jim, yes. |
| 03:45.53 | pyr3 | Why is it still complaining about /var/mail/username? It shouldn't even be looking at that file. |
| 03:45.56 | Vyrus001 | abrotman|| but im tryint to compile a deb kernel for the prossesor i want to bootstrap |
| 03:45.58 | abrotman | !tell YamahaRx800 about repeat |
| 03:45.59 | dvs | Chameleon22: I'm guessing you're using udev |
| 03:46.00 | dondelelcaro | noah_: uh, it's supposed to |
| 03:46.03 | abrotman | YamahaRx800: feel better? |
| 03:46.04 | jim | ok, got the eth0 lines in there? |
| 03:46.16 | dondelelcaro | noah_: however, you have to have free space that it can use to actually do that |
| 03:46.18 | Chameleon22 | dvs? |
| 03:46.21 | abrotman | Vyrus001: and MIPS isn't an option? |
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| 03:46.38 | jim | auto eth0 |
| 03:46.42 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: How do I chroot into the right place? |
| 03:46.43 | jim | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 03:46.44 | Epixc | jim, yep, it all works. and i understand how :D |
| 03:46.46 | dvs | Chameleon22: udev uses that device to store the entries in your /dev directory |
| 03:46.46 | Vyrus001 | abrotman|| not so much to run but mostly to use as a cross refrance |
| 03:47.09 | jim | ok, good... the auto lines mean those interfaces will come up on boot |
| 03:47.09 | dvs | jim: I hope he has "pump" |
| 03:47.12 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: Free space? How do you meen? On the disk? |
| 03:47.13 | dondelelcaro | noah_: you've already gone through the installation proceedure and the machine booted into macosx and didn't display the yaboot selection screen, right? |
| 03:47.28 | dondelelcaro | noah_: yes. on the disk. |
| 03:47.30 | jim | dvs: or dhcpcd (which is a better client) |
| 03:47.33 | Vyrus001 | abrotman|| no mips is not an option in the prossesors list when i run xconfig |
| 03:47.39 | Chameleon22 | dvs: i am moving drives and setup all partitions etc but fdisk doesnt show shm as partition but df shoes shm so confused |
| 03:47.43 | dafen | modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 03:47.47 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: Erm, no.. let me just find something for you... gimme two secs |
| 03:47.50 | pyr3 | Oh, I was lagging there. Did my question go through? |
| 03:47.51 | YamahaRx800 | ok i wont ask again |
| 03:47.54 | dafen | I want this to be excuted automatically every time I boot |
| 03:47.56 | jim | but he's saying it all works now, AND he understands the setup |
| 03:47.57 | abrotman | Vyrus001: did you try changing it from PC-Compatible? |
| 03:48.10 | dvs | Chameleon22: fdisk should NOT show it as a partition. It is a RAM disk |
| 03:48.10 | jim | so it's jam time for me |
| 03:48.19 | dvs | jim: yeah, right. |
| 03:48.30 | Chameleon22 | dvs: uhh so made on boot more or less and i shouldnt be worried about it |
| 03:48.31 | jim | Epixc: thanks for being fast |
| 03:48.38 | dvs | Chameleon22: no |
| 03:48.40 | YamahaRx800 | abrotman:do you know how? |
| 03:48.45 | pyr3 | Well, I'll ask it again just in case... |
| 03:48.50 | pyr3 | I'm having a problem with procmail. I have everything set up correctly, and it works and delivers my mail to ~/mbox.... but then it still complains that it can't create /var/mail/username even though I've overridden DEFAULT and MAILDIR with my own values. |
| 03:48.52 | dvs | Chameleon22: I mean don't worry about it. |
| 03:48.53 | Chameleon22 | dvs: no? |
| 03:48.58 | pyr3 | Why is it still complaining about /var/mail/username? It shouldn't even be looking at that file. |
| 03:49.02 | jim | Epixc: man 5 interfaces is in your future |
| 03:49.02 | Chameleon22 | dvs: oh ok cool thanks |
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| 03:49.07 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: I just posted a description on my problem to the debian-boot mailing list, you can view it in situ at http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/04/msg00074.html |
| 03:49.08 | abrotman | YamahaRx800: no |
| 03:49.09 | Vyrus001 | abrotman|| well in xconfig it all the options are static... as in no matter what i check the proses or list is the same |
| 03:49.10 | abrotman | !flac |
| 03:49.10 | dpkg | [flac] the Free Lossless Audio Codec, gives 30-50% compression on PCM audio. See http://flac.sourceforge.net/ for details on the format, or apt-get install flac xmms-flac to try it out (if you have xmms, of course). |
| 03:49.12 | crackbaby_ | dvs, how do i hold with dpkg? |
| 03:49.16 | Vyrus001 | abrotman|| and mips is not on it |
| 03:49.16 | Epixc | jim, np, ty and ok! |
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| 03:49.21 | dvs | crackbaby_: man dpkg |
| 03:49.24 | crackbaby_ | hahhaa |
| 03:49.27 | abrotman | Vyrus001: ask #kernel ? |
| 03:49.28 | crackbaby_ | rtfm, eh |
| 03:49.34 | dvs | crackbaby_: yup |
| 03:49.35 | YamahaRx800 | abrotman:then whats ur prob about me asking |
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| 03:49.41 | abrotman | !ur |
| 03:49.41 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 03:49.59 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: That should help explain my problem better than I could convey in IRC! :p |
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| 03:50.34 | WiFiTux | !fortune |
| 03:50.34 | dpkg | [fortune] a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
| 03:50.37 | shingouz | crackbaby_: there you go, a bit less reading than the whole manual :) |
| 03:50.46 | WiFiTux | what's semi-witty? |
| 03:50.50 | YamahaRx800 | does anyone know how to use the flac encoder in the command line? |
| 03:50.50 | dondelelcaro | noah_: ok, you've got the bootloader installed properly, so it should have started to load your kernel... |
| 03:50.56 | abrotman | WiFiTux: wit .. |
| 03:51.02 | abrotman | so he repeats again .... |
| 03:51.21 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: but like I said in my post - it wont go into the second stage bootstrap |
| 03:51.40 | YamahaRx800 | abrotman:how else is anyone gunna answer my question |
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| 03:51.49 | Azar | crackbaby_ I am just wondering why a normal apt-get upgrade would stuff you an animated game just because..? |
| 03:52.03 | abrotman | YamahaRx800: Did you pay attention in English class? |
| 03:52.07 | Azar | I never get games at apt-get update/upgrade |
| 03:52.08 | dvs | YamahaRx800: They will answer your question if they know how. If they don't know, they'll say nothing |
| 03:52.14 | dondelelcaro | noah_: yeah, boot off of the cd, then drop to the console, and mkdir /target; mount /dev/hda3 /target; cd /target; chroot .; then run ybin -v -v; |
| 03:52.16 | madclicker | what is the equvalent to "rpm -qa 'VAR' " in debian? |
| 03:52.32 | YamahaRx800 | abrotman: i think u need to shut ur mouth |
| 03:52.36 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:52.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:52.46 | Azar | !ur |
| 03:52.46 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 03:52.48 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: wow thanks for the info. What can I expect to see after that - and what is the next step after that has completed. |
| 03:53.00 | abrotman | YamahaRx800: try asking ##linux .. might be someone there that knows |
| 03:53.05 | dondelelcaro | noah_: you should see a bunch of output, with things like Blessing /dev/hda1 with Holy Penguin Pee |
| 03:53.41 | dondelelcaro | noah_: that means that it was able to copy /etc/yaboot.conf over to the boot partition, and bless it appropriately. |
| 03:53.43 | crackbaby_ | shingouz: tried your tip to hold with dpkg. apt-get dist-upgrade still says it will be upgrade |
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| 03:54.05 | mward | dondelelcaro: /dev/hpp |
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| 03:54.12 | dondelelcaro | noah_: if that went well (which it seems to have, since it booted) you'll need to check /etc/yaboot.conf and make sure that /etc/yaboot.conf is set up appropriate and is loading a reasonable kernel |
| 03:54.20 | shingouz | crackbaby_: hmm... :( |
| 03:54.21 | dondelelcaro | mward: ? |
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| 03:54.29 | Azar | abrotman, one would wonder, I have a dislexyc friend, can'type illegible text at all but codes like a god |
| 03:54.31 | mward | dondelelcaro: holy penguin pee device |
| 03:54.50 | abrotman | Azar: doesn't excuse u and ur and wud etc |
| 03:54.59 | dondelelcaro | thats "types illegible text" or "can't type legible text" |
| 03:55.15 | Azar | dondelecaro, that is right |
| 03:55.15 | abrotman | i don't care how many mental issues you have .. that's just stupidity to talk like YamahaRx800 |
| 03:55.21 | crackbaby_ | shingouz: I'm totally stuck, and it's frozen-bubble-data! |
| 03:55.22 | dondelelcaro | (unless you mean that they always type things correctly) |
| 03:55.30 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: ok, thats amazing, thanks. What *kind* of thing am I looking for in yaboot.conf.. what would you deem to be a reasonable kernel? |
| 03:55.36 | crackbaby_ | singouz: i wish it would just go away, absolutely no need for it |
| 03:55.42 | dondelelcaro | noah_: well, one that actually exists for starters |
| 03:56.06 | Azar | crackbaby_ it is a miracle you get a game at apt-get upgrade, I never got one |
| 03:56.09 | madclicker | can anyone explain why when i run "dpkg -l kernel" nothing is being displayed? |
| 03:56.12 | Azar | ..unless I asked for |
| 03:56.14 | abrotman | Azar: and i think you misspelled dyslexia |
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| 03:56.24 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: Sorry for my ignorance, but I would not know what kernel exists or not. |
| 03:56.28 | dvs | madclicker: try "dpkg -l kernel*" |
| 03:56.32 | crackbaby_ | shingouz: thing it, I don't have the game itself, just the data. i think thats the prob |
| 03:56.33 | Azar | abrotman, right, I did not know exactly how to spell it |
| 03:56.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:56.44 | madclicker | why me?? |
| 03:56.51 | YamahaRx800 | abrotman: now u definatly need to shut ur mouth |
| 03:56.57 | dondelelcaro | noah_: if you look at /etc/yaboot.conf, it should reference /boot/vmlinux-yada-yada; stat /boot/vmlinux-yadayada will work |
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| 03:57.01 | abrotman | right .. still talking like an idiot |
| 03:57.04 | shingouz | crackbaby_: i am not the resident expert on apt problems :( |
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| 03:57.09 | travisat | !u |
| 03:57.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 03:57.15 | abrotman | YamahaRx800: i'm telling your mom on you |
| 03:57.19 | dondelelcaro | YamahaRx800: please lay off the 'u' and 'ur' |
| 03:57.23 | Azar | I guess YamahaRx800 is also agressive |
| 03:57.35 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:57.39 | Supaplex | how do I get my missing file menu toolbar back in konqueror when there's not toolbar named that on the toolbar menu? |
| 03:57.39 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: ok, lets asume that it does and everything checks out - what next? |
| 03:57.44 | YamahaRx800 | abrotman:ohhhh |
| 03:57.52 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: reboot without CD and go for the "l" option? |
| 03:57.54 | YamahaRx800 | u dont even know my mom |
| 03:58.03 | YamahaRx800 | azar:are u to? |
| 03:58.04 | abrotman | moron ... |
| 03:58.09 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: just use /ignore |
| 03:58.13 | crackbaby_ | shingouz: is there an apt-get completely-destroy package? |
| 03:58.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: already done :) |
| 03:58.18 | crackbaby_ | :0 |
| 03:58.20 | crackbaby_ | :) |
| 03:58.24 | dondelelcaro | crackbaby_: you probably mean --purge |
| 03:58.30 | Azar | YamahaRx800 I do not have a problem with you the /ignore gets handy at times, bye |
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| 03:58.42 | dondelelcaro | noah_: ok, then your yaboot.conf is probably ok... the next thing to see is why yaboot itself wasn't started. |
| 03:58.44 | crackbaby_ | shingouz: jk, that doesn't work anyway |
| 03:58.56 | dondelelcaro | Folks, it's not necessary to share that you've ignored someone. If you have a problem, just use it. |
| 03:58.56 | crackbaby_ | shingouz: can I force it to proceed anyway? |
| 03:59.08 | YamahaRx800 | fine no one help me its ok |
| 03:59.09 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: How do you do that? |
| 03:59.34 | shingouz | crackbaby_: i think so but i have to remind you that i do not know enough about apt problems |
| 03:59.34 | Supaplex | ~annoy konqueror |
| 03:59.37 | dondelelcaro | noah_: you're going to have to mount the boot partition somewhere and see if yaboot is actually installed there |
| 03:59.51 | Azar | crackbaby_ you could reinstall, you spent more time on that bug than it would deserve |
| 04:00.00 | YamahaRx800 | does anyone know how to use the command line to encode flacs to mp3s? |
| 04:00.22 | travisat | YamahaRx800: thats a dumb idea |
| 04:00.22 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: mount to boot partition? Using the shell included with the installer, or via OS X? |
| 04:00.28 | bob2` | travisat: no it's not |
| 04:00.35 | dondelelcaro | noah_: just using the shell... |
| 04:00.36 | bob2` | travisat: you do know FLAC is lossless, right? |
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| 04:00.48 | dondelelcaro | noah_: mkdir /mnt/temp; then mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp should work. |
| 04:00.53 | dondelelcaro | you should see the following files: ofboot.b yaboot yaboot.conf |
| 04:00.57 | bob2` | YamahaRx800: it would be possible to do in one step with gstreamer, but I'm not sure how (#gstreamer, maybe). I'd just go via .wav. |
| 04:00.59 | travisat | bob2`: yes. so yeah incode it in mp3, just use flac |
| 04:01.26 | bob2` | travisat: right, it's really useful to use FLAC files on my 1gb mp3 player I listen to on the bus |
| 04:01.26 | YamahaRx800 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.27 | abrotman | encode |
| 04:01.35 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 04:01.47 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: Oh yes, I remember reading about those files in the installation manual. Lets say those files *are* there - what next? And if not, is there some where I can just cp them from? |
| 04:02.01 | crackbaby_ | azar: i feel bad re-installing. this shouldn't be such a huge deal. |
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| 04:02.04 | travisat | bob2`: your mp3 player doesn't offer a lossless format? |
| 04:02.12 | crackbaby_ | azar: just installed anyway, got everything set up |
| 04:02.14 | dondelelcaro | noah_: well, if they're not there, that's what the ybin -v -v should have actually installed. |
| 04:02.18 | bob2` | YamahaRx800: oggenc can go from flac to vorbis in one step if that's acceptable |
| 04:02.44 | bob2` | travisat: sure, but a) I can't hear the quality difference between 128kbit/s vorbis and flac on the bus, and b) if I used flac, I'd only fit 3 albums |
| 04:02.48 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: ok cool, i get it. If they are there thats meens the boot partition is ok though yeah? |
| 04:02.56 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: so then what? |
| 04:02.56 | YamahaRx800 | i have an ipod tho |
| 04:03.04 | bob2` | ah, suck |
| 04:03.14 | dondelelcaro | noah_: but, they're here: /usr/lib/yaboot/{yaboot,ofboot} |
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| 04:03.28 | bob2` | ask me in a couple of weeks, I'm kinda working on some transcoding stuff |
| 04:03.30 | noah_ | Is there a way to sync a music folder from debian onto the iPod in a way that "just works" like iTunes does it? |
| 04:03.39 | dondelelcaro | noah_: well, then after selecting l, you should see a yaboot: prompt, where you can select a kernel, or just wait for it to boot. |
| 04:03.53 | crackbaby_ | read somewhere that dpkg --configure -a && apt-get -f install can help |
| 04:03.57 | YamahaRx800 | no it makes the music corrupt |
| 04:04.00 | bob2` | noah_: you mean by deleting all the music if you plug it into a different machine? ;) |
| 04:04.02 | madclicker | can anyone tell me why do i have wiered characters on my screen when i press any mouse key? P.S. am in console mode |
| 04:04.03 | wishie | i have just brought my PC over to a mates house, and now X wont load..ive checked the logs, and cant see why its aborting..any other places i should check ? |
| 04:04.04 | Azar | new programming language popped up just between pike and python: nessie. |
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| 04:04.09 | dondelelcaro | noah_: assuming of course, that the timeout in your yaboot.conf file is non-zero |
| 04:04.20 | abrotman | wishie: changed the monitor? |
| 04:04.23 | wishie | nope |
| 04:04.24 | travisat | YamahaRx800: I think lame might be able to go from flac to mp3 |
| 04:04.26 | wishie | changed nothing |
| 04:04.29 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: do you mean, once I have confirmed the files are there - boot up normaly and select "l" |
| 04:04.30 | crackbaby_ | azar: I thought that was and apr1 joke... because of the name |
| 04:04.36 | abrotman | wishie: checked the logs? |
| 04:04.40 | wishie | abrotman: yep. |
| 04:04.48 | dondelelcaro | noah_: yeah, then it should work. In theory, at least. |
| 04:04.48 | Azar | crackbaby_ nah, is just fresh from the news |
| 04:05.03 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: what happens if the timeout is not non-zero - what are the consequences? |
| 04:05.05 | abrotman | wishie: nothing wrong? |
| 04:05.10 | wishie | not that i can see |
| 04:05.17 | madclicker | i |
| 04:05.19 | dondelelcaro | noah_: that's what you want it set to. I have mine set to 30, so I get to see the yaboot: prompt for 3 seconds |
| 04:05.44 | wishie | perhaps i can paste my X log somewhere ? |
| 04:05.45 | dondelelcaro | noah_: that way you'll know at least that yaboot is working, and can tell the difference between your kernel failing to boot, and yaboot killing the machine |
| 04:05.46 | abrotman | wishie: how are you starting X .. startx or via gdm/kdm ? |
| 04:05.51 | abrotman | !paste |
| 04:05.51 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 04:06.01 | wishie | abrotman: tried both. and checked both XFree86.0.log and kdm.log |
| 04:06.13 | wishie | ill goto #flood |
| 04:06.13 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: ah ok, I think I understand. The timeout is the amount of time yaboot gives you to make your desicion? |
| 04:06.18 | abrotman | wishie: and you looked for EE lines ? |
| 04:06.23 | dondelelcaro | noah_: yeah. Otherwise it just selects the default |
| 04:06.24 | wishie | yeah |
| 04:06.28 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: so how do you determine which isn't working - yaboot or the kernal |
| 04:06.33 | dondelelcaro | noah_: if it's zero, it doesn't even prompt you. |
| 04:06.35 | noah_ | s/kernal/kernel |
| 04:06.39 | wishie | abrotman: no EE lines at all |
| 04:06.44 | wishie | this is what is confusing me |
| 04:06.47 | abrotman | wishie: and no message at the bottom? |
| 04:06.49 | dondelelcaro | noah_: if you see the yaboot: prompt, yaboot is working. If you don't, it's busted. |
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| 04:07.03 | Debian_ | how can i mount my dvd as a hda? |
| 04:07.05 | dondelelcaro | noah_: if you see yaboot, and then the kernel starts loading and the machine restarts, then the kernel has issues. |
| 04:07.09 | wishie | Fatal Server Error: Caught Signal 11. Aborting. |
| 04:07.13 | dondelelcaro | Debian_: that makes no sense. |
| 04:07.17 | abrotman | wishie: that sounds pretty bad |
| 04:07.18 | Debian_ | can u do it? |
| 04:07.35 | abrotman | Debian_: /msg dpkg u |
| 04:07.37 | dondelelcaro | wishie: hrm... you shouldn't be seeing that. Try reinstalling the xserver-xfree86 package. |
| 04:07.43 | Azar | :) |
| 04:07.45 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: I think that may be the problem - if it's the kernel that is screwed, how do I fix it? Aaargh! :s |
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| 04:07.49 | wishie | all i did was move my pc from my house, to this house |
| 04:07.54 | dondelelcaro | noah_: you install a different kernel |
| 04:07.55 | abrotman | Debian_: is something else /dev/hda? |
| 04:08.01 | dondelelcaro | noah_: but first make sure the bootloader works |
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| 04:08.14 | wishie | im doing a --reinstall xserver-xfree86 now though |
| 04:08.35 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: Erm, by that do you meen everything we talked about previous yeah? |
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| 04:08.42 | dondelelcaro | noah_: yes. |
| 04:08.52 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: ok.. sure - sorry, this is all way over my head! :p |
| 04:08.54 | jeffreyj | so can anyone help me..when i try to run sim city 3000 i get this /usr/local/bin/sc3u: cannot execute binary file |
| 04:08.58 | wishie | actually, my BIOS did say "loading defaults" for some reason when i powered the pc on.. |
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| 04:09.09 | abrotman | wishie: erm .. how old is your PC? |
| 04:09.10 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: so, can you install a new kernel from the CD install sh? |
| 04:09.20 | wishie | P4 2.66GHz |
| 04:09.23 | wishie | not too old |
| 04:09.32 | abrotman | wishie: usually that happens when the battery is toast |
| 04:09.38 | dondelelcaro | noah_: yeah, or from the net |
| 04:09.42 | wishie | hmm, might get a new one of those then.. |
| 04:09.51 | wishie | i better check the bios settings i think.. |
| 04:09.55 | abrotman | wishie: they usually dont' go bad for at least 5 years |
| 04:10.05 | hja123 | Right now, Kmail is my default mail client. How do I change it to Thunderbird? |
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| 04:10.23 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: Well, I can't mount the second disk with debian on from OS X and I can't get a shell for it any other way than the one provided by the install CD. |
| 04:10.40 | wishie | brb, trying bios settings. |
| 04:10.50 | dondelelcaro | noah_: yeah, but once you've booted and chrooted, you've got a ful system, basically. |
| 04:11.03 | dondelelcaro | noah_: nothing's stoping you from running apt-get to get a different kernel |
| 04:11.04 | tuxillo | i'm out guys, good night :) |
| 04:11.25 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: Erm, I'm confused. Let me explain why... |
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| 04:12.36 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: If I boot from the OS X disk I can't read the Debian disk so no look there. If I boot from the Debian disk, the kernel doesn't load so I can't get a shell. If I boot from the CD I can get a shell and access the debian disk - but I have no access to apt-get so I can't get a new kernel. |
| 04:12.38 | bltzfsck | anybody know which mplayer pkg to use (k6, 586, 386, or nogui)? |
| 04:12.48 | noah_ | s/look/luck/ |
| 04:13.12 | bltzfsck | i have athlon 1.2 gig with matrox 450 video |
| 04:13.36 | madclicker | is there a way to prevent grub-update from overwrighting the menu.lst file? |
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| 04:14.11 | abrotman | why isn't there a k7 package? |
| 04:14.48 | k3k0 | where is in debian x conf file |
| 04:14.52 | abrotman | /etc/X11 |
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| 04:15.42 | bltzfsck | i'm trying to avoid doing a ground-up build of mplayer, but dont' know which package is right... |
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| 04:15.50 | k3k0 | abrotman: thanx |
| 04:15.53 | abrotman | then use 386 if nothing else |
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| 04:16.21 | bltzfsck | that was my thought, failing all else |
| 04:16.31 | bltzfsck | it has broken dependencies |
| 04:16.59 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: So, given that it's my only option, how do you get a new kernel from the CD? |
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| 04:17.22 | bltzfsck | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 04:17.22 | bltzfsck | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.22 | bltzfsck | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.22 | bltzfsck | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.22 | bltzfsck | E: Broken packages |
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| 04:17.50 | noah_ | lmao |
| 04:17.55 | FieldySnuts | @lart bltzfsck |
| 04:17.57 | bltzfsck | sorry, how many lines is considered flood? |
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| 04:18.00 | FieldySnuts | 3 |
| 04:18.10 | abrotman | 4 |
| 04:18.11 | bltzfsck | ok |
| 04:18.14 | FieldySnuts | 9 |
| 04:18.17 | Mike77 | Hi people. Can anyone tell me how to add sound support to my sarge installation? |
| 04:18.23 | bltzfsck | did you see what i flooded ? |
| 04:18.28 | noah_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.32 | bltzfsck | that''s the dependency message i get |
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| 04:18.44 | Isil`Zha | hi. when doing apt-update I get the abbreviation "ign" in front of a server. how can this be avoided? i mean if it wouldn't be able to reach the server the msg would bedifferent wouldn't it? or does "ign" mean something different than "ignore"? |
| 04:18.49 | bltzfsck | but there's a conflict between libarts and libarts-alsa |
| 04:18.50 | abrotman | Mike77: does it work for root? |
| 04:19.02 | bltzfsck | libarts-alsa seems to be for woody |
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| 04:19.21 | bltzfsck | and the other is for sarge, which is what i'm running |
| 04:19.32 | WiFiTux | 78 |
| 04:19.47 | Mike77 | abrotman: last time I checked with a KDE desktop, I got a message saying that it wasn't working. |
| 04:19.58 | Mike77 | How can I probe for a specific hardware device? |
| 04:19.59 | abrotman | Mike77: as root or as your normal user? |
| 04:20.11 | abrotman | lspci will show you all pci devices |
| 04:20.17 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.25 | bltzfsck | i'd like to get mplayer working before it's killed by software patents... |
| 04:20.29 | abrotman | Azar: /topic .. you're way late |
| 04:20.37 | Mike77 | my sound card is ISA, is it too old? |
| 04:20.41 | bltzfsck | just to see what i've been missing |
| 04:20.45 | abrotman | Mike77: are you serious? |
| 04:20.47 | Azar | abrotman, oh I did not noticed the topic :) |
| 04:21.08 | madclicker | where do i append the following line for 2.6 kernel "alias scsi_hostadapter ahci" ? |
| 04:21.12 | Mike77 | sorry, did I say something stupid? |
| 04:21.26 | dvs | madclicker: in your /etc/modutils directory |
| 04:21.35 | abrotman | Mike77: ISA :) |
| 04:21.47 | dvs | Mike77: ISA sound cards are almost unheard of now. |
| 04:21.59 | abrotman | !tell Mike77 about isapnp |
| 04:22.04 | Mike77 | yeah, I know, it is the only one I had. I thought linux was supposed to work with old hardware... |
| 04:22.16 | kaz_ | I ran cfdisk /dev/sda1, then mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 then I put this in /etc/fstab /dev/sda1 /my1 ext3 defaults 0 0 .... but when I reboot the /my1 doesn't show up when I do a df -h |
| 04:22.20 | dvs | Mike77: Even linux has limits ;-) |
| 04:22.23 | Azar | maybe potato will do for Mike77 |
| 04:22.26 | abrotman | Mike77: it does .. but ISA cards are a lost art :( |
| 04:22.33 | abrotman | no .. woody and sarge will both work |
| 04:22.52 | dvs | even PCI is on its way out |
| 04:22.52 | abrotman | Mike77: you have to learn about isapnp most likely |
| 04:22.53 | Mike77 | LOL. Thanks for the replies! |
| 04:22.56 | doleyb | Mike77: we can take up a collection, get $4, and buy you a PCI card |
| 04:23.00 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:23.18 | abrotman | a nice es1371 card |
| 04:23.23 | bltzfsck | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.23 | bltzfsck | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.23 | bltzfsck | E: Broken packages |
| 04:23.29 | Azar | hey I would want to have that PC to play donkeykong on it |
| 04:23.29 | madclicker | dvs:which file? |
| 04:23.30 | MobyTurbo | "Here's a nickel kid, go get yourself a better computer" |
| 04:23.33 | jazzmans | mike77,it's not too old for woody, but I'd say it is too old to be worth hanging on to. |
| 04:23.44 | madclicker | dvs:in /etc/modutils? |
| 04:23.44 | bltzfsck | wow, dint get booted... |
| 04:23.48 | dvs | madclicker: create a file |
| 04:24.02 | bltzfsck | that's what i get when i try to install the libarts stuff |
| 04:24.17 | bltzfsck | it's the wrong libarts, right? |
| 04:24.19 | madclicker | dvs:hmmmm??? |
| 04:24.23 | MobyTurbo | bltzfsck: if you're running sarge something is wrong with your /etc/apt/sources.lst |
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| 04:24.26 | Mike77 | I tried woody a thousand times. I'm a newbie on my way to intermediate, but still could not install a woody box with no problems |
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| 04:24.40 | Azar | Mike77 not snubbing or something, I would love to have such an old computer like yours |
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| 04:24.52 | abrotman | Azar: i've got one |
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| 04:24.56 | bltzfsck | MobyTurbo, that's what i figured, but don't know how to fix it |
| 04:25.00 | fuzzy_ | what is caught signal 11 when starting X ? |
| 04:25.00 | abrotman | dunno if my sound works though |
| 04:25.07 | Epixc | ahh, what happened! debian installer installed NOTHING! not even less! |
| 04:25.08 | dvs | Azar: My brother has got my Abit BH6 |
| 04:25.18 | fuzzy_ | couldn't start x because of that |
| 04:25.23 | Azar | abrotman, my dad has like 7 of them old computers won't give me one but only by testament |
| 04:25.23 | abrotman | we have a bunch of those at work |
| 04:25.25 | MobyTurbo | bltzfsck: all of your sources should be either "sarge" or "testing", no "stable" or "woody" |
| 04:25.41 | abrotman | i thik those are the models |
| 04:25.46 | Epixc | i cant stand this. reinstallin... :P |
| 04:25.46 | bltzfsck | MobyTurbo, so then comment out all woody lines? |
| 04:26.11 | MobyTurbo | bltzfsck: no, change them, unless of course if they'd be redundant after the change. |
| 04:26.11 | mos__ | does anyone know if there is there any way to make a .deb created with checkinstall to have conflicts? |
| 04:26.12 | bltzfsck | or just delete the refs to woody? |
| 04:26.28 | Mike77 | Another dumb question I coudln't find an answer: How can I install/upgrade/modify hardware in my computer? (without reinstalling sarge) |
| 04:26.33 | Azar | Mike77 make a list of your hardware and research the Debian sites /see hardware sections to see how you can get around limitations |
| 04:26.42 | Temp[Away] | hey guys, i just finished installing Debian Linux 3.0, now how in the hell do i get to a kde desktop? lol |
| 04:26.44 | jazzmans | fuzzy, that's what signal 11 means, it couldn't run. |
| 04:26.45 | dvs | Mike77: ??? Take out the hardware? |
| 04:26.53 | shingouz | Mike77: what soundcard do you have there |
| 04:26.56 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 04:26.56 | dpkg | [sig11] Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 04:26.56 | Opiated | is it somehow possible to be in X (i get into xwin by using startx after logging in) and from Xwin go back to console and work on something, and then switch back to Xwin just as it was left without it closing any programs. i know if i do ctrl + alt + F2 or someething it goes back to console but how it won't let me switch back to ctrl + alt + F1 |
| 04:26.59 | bltzfsck | MobyTurbo, i have lines that refer all three versions from the same server. |
| 04:27.00 | rixth | How can I set the icon for specific file types? |
| 04:27.22 | abrotman | Opiated: X is on F7 usually |
| 04:27.28 | Opiated | oh |
| 04:27.30 | MobyTurbo | bltzfsck: marillat? Only have one, testing. |
| 04:27.31 | doleyb | kingsley: really? i just got a 160 gig drive, and am thinking of how to part |
| 04:27.43 | Epixc | is there a way to restart a console if it crashes? |
| 04:27.54 | Epixc | on make a new one on like F8 or somethin? |
| 04:27.55 | dondelelcaro | Epixc: just murder it off. |
| 04:28.02 | Mike77 | Say I change the soundcard (which BTW is a SoundBlaster CT4170). How can I update my installation to detect the new sound card? |
| 04:28.03 | Opiated | ok, i am in X rightnow after doing startx, if i do ctrl + alt + F2 i'll go to console, what would I use to get back to Xwin |
| 04:28.04 | dondelelcaro | Epixc: init will restart it |
| 04:28.08 | rixth | How can I set the icon for specific file types? |
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| 04:28.15 | abrotman | Opiated: ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 04:28.18 | Opiated | ahh |
| 04:28.19 | shingouz | Mike77: that should be module sb then |
| 04:28.20 | Opiated | ok thanks |
| 04:28.20 | bltzfsck | MobyTurbo, right, that's what i thought |
| 04:28.24 | abrotman | i thought dinocore was banned ? |
| 04:28.34 | Opiated | DUDE that is awesome |
| 04:28.35 | kingsley | doleyb: Yes, really. Like you, I just bought a 164 MB Hitachi HD and am creating an ext3 fs on a 140 GB partition. |
| 04:28.35 | Opiated | thank you |
| 04:28.42 | bltzfsck | maybe that's not where the alsa stuff is coming from? |
| 04:28.45 | MobyTurbo | bltzfsck: change the configuration, apt-get update, then you're good to go with further operations. |
| 04:28.48 | abrotman | Opiated: all better? |
| 04:29.00 | Opiated | :) yes sir |
| 04:29.06 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 04:29.09 | kingsley | doleyb: For what it's worth, I'm using the "-c" option to check for bad blocks, which may slow it down. |
| 04:29.11 | noah_ | dondelelcaro: Is it possible to get a new kernel from the installation CD? |
| 04:29.13 | shingouz | Mike77: of course you could install alsa on the computer and just run alsaconf. should work |
| 04:29.17 | bltzfsck | MobyTurbo, change the config means change stable to testing everywher it occurs? |
| 04:29.22 | dondelelcaro | noah_: yes, or you could just download it from the net. |
| 04:29.27 | Epixc | whats the diff between ext3 and risierFS? |
| 04:29.31 | Mike77 | I was waiting for someone to suggest alsa |
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| 04:29.40 | noah_ | But the sh on the CD doesn't have apt-get |
| 04:29.47 | MobyTurbo | bltzfsck: if you have all three for one repository, just delete the other two. |
| 04:29.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: remember the uconn guys you banned the other night for trolling? |
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| 04:30.02 | bltzfsck | MobyTurbo, ok, many thanks |
| 04:30.09 | dinocore | you know what sucks |
| 04:30.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, I'm watching them |
| 04:30.14 | dinocore | debian |
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| 04:30.17 | Mike77 | Is there any equivalent to the 'Device Manager' of Windoze in Linux Sarge? |
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| 04:30.23 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: anthony is here too |
| 04:30.28 | bltzfsck | apt kicks rpm's ass severely |
| 04:30.48 | FieldySnuts | @start a package management war |
| 04:30.50 | ravenbird | I'm a whole hell of a lot better than that dselect crap! |
| 04:30.51 | noah_ | too true |
| 04:30.59 | FieldySnuts | "I'm"? |
| 04:31.02 | doleyb | kingsley: I am not making partitions bigger than 80 gig each, that way, if I want to repart to try another OS or something, don't need to delete ALL |
| 04:31.03 | noah_ | lmao |
| 04:31.07 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: it was written for dpkg... |
| 04:31.08 | FieldySnuts | @start a package management war |
| 04:31.10 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 04:31.10 | ravenbird | I'm a whole hell of a lot better than that dselect crap! |
| 04:31.16 | dondelelcaro | (or apt) |
| 04:31.17 | Epixc | and heres a dumb question: how do i make my box use a domain name? like have www.ex.com go to /var/www, crap.ex.com go to /var/www/crap.ex.com ? |
| 04:31.18 | shingouz | Mike77: not that i know of. you are trying to find out the irq, dma and io settings for the soundcard? |
| 04:31.33 | rixth | Dammit. Can someone PLEASE tell me how to set the icon for a specific file type, say, .php |
| 04:31.38 | kingsley | doleyb: I also used "-i 4096", which may take longer to create more inodes than the default. |
| 04:31.44 | Opiated | Epixc, if i had to guess /etc/hostname , no? |
| 04:31.45 | abrotman | Epixc: dns |
| 04:31.45 | FieldySnuts | rixth: in what? you aren't being specific enough |
| 04:31.46 | dondelelcaro | Epixc: that's apache configuration specific. |
| 04:31.49 | Opiated | nm |
| 04:31.52 | doleyb | rixth: kde, gnome, what? |
| 04:32.07 | Epixc | dondelelcaro, aka, not for #debian ? |
| 04:32.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nslookup warez.dal.net |
| 04:32.08 | kingsley | doleyb: Here's the command I used: |
| 04:32.12 | abrotman | Epixc: you mean acessible outside? |
| 04:32.15 | ravenbird | warez.dal.net is 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:32.19 | Epixc | abrotman, yes |
| 04:32.21 | kingsley | doleyb: mkfs.ext2 -i 4096 -c -j /dev/hdc2 |
| 04:32.21 | Mike77 | shingouz: no, I'm trying to figure out how to browse hardware and update/reinstall drivers. Is there any way of doing this on sarge? |
| 04:32.24 | rixth | Gnome, and I've got an icon I'd like to set for .php files. |
| 04:32.28 | dondelelcaro | Epixc: you could ask it here, but it's just a matter of setting your DocumentRoot appropriately |
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| 04:32.31 | abrotman | Epixc: you need to learn about dns .. and configuring apache |
| 04:32.41 | dondelelcaro | Epixc: the basic documentation for Apache covers it rather well |
| 04:32.47 | Epixc | abrotman, i know nothing about dns |
| 04:32.55 | abrotman | Epixc: time to learn :) |
| 04:32.55 | Boyette | please help me, i did gzip -r www and it gziped my entire web directory |
| 04:32.55 | Epixc | all i know is this: DOmain name service |
| 04:32.59 | Boyette | how do i get it back? |
| 04:33.07 | shingouz | Mike77: the drivers are upgraded when you upgrade your kernel unless you have installed some new hardware (in which case you'd use modconf) |
| 04:33.14 | Opiated | gunzip |
| 04:33.19 | noah_ | Epixc: You need a combination of "Directory" and "VirtualHost" directives in your httpd.conf file for each domain name you want to host |
| 04:33.19 | pureone_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.36 | Boyette | awsome, thanks Opiated |
| 04:33.42 | kingsley | doleyb: I wouldn't be surprised if it runs faster on a smaller partition, with the default inode size (-i) and not checking for bad blocks (-c). |
| 04:33.42 | Boyette | whew |
| 04:33.46 | Opiated | heh |
| 04:33.46 | fuzzy_ | jazzman, it's aborted with signal 11 |
| 04:34.04 | fuzzy_ | the nvidia installer installed well |
| 04:34.04 | Boyette | lol thats why you don't keep passwords about your web directory |
| 04:34.13 | fuzzy_ | but mine is not stock kernel .. |
| 04:34.24 | Mike77 | shingouz: can you give me a brief list of common hardware commands/modules? like modprobe, modconf, lspci, isapnp ... |
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| 04:34.45 | abrotman | lsmod helps sometimes |
| 04:34.49 | fuzzy_ | jazzmans, X's aborted with signal 11 |
| 04:34.50 | shingouz | Mike77: it would be easier if you told me what you are trying to install ;) |
| 04:34.59 | abrotman | shingouz: isa sound card |
| 04:35.17 | Mike77 | shingouz: sorry that my question it too broad. Actually, I'm trying to learn debian the hard way. |
| 04:35.21 | shingouz | Mike77: is that a pnp card or still configured with jumpers? |
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| 04:35.36 | abrotman | shingouz: i guess that's just part of it |
| 04:35.38 | rixth | I would like to change the icon for .php files in Gnome 2.8.1, could someone please explain the process? (There, I was nice and descriptive) |
| 04:35.57 | Opiated | i run firefox, and pretty much everytime i start it, it has to do lookup on the domain before it connects, is this firefox specific or do i need to do somethhing else in order to have a dns cache of some sort |
| 04:36.18 | Boyette | Opiated: do you have a router? |
| 04:36.24 | Opiated | yes, linksys wireless |
| 04:36.27 | MobyTurbo | Opiated: disable ipv6 support |
| 04:36.37 | Opiated | ok |
| 04:36.51 | Boyette | or if that doesn't do it change /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 04:37.17 | Opiated | change what in there |
| 04:37.24 | D3v | Can someone please help me =( |
| 04:37.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell D3v about ask |
| 04:37.36 | Chameleon22 | should swap be extended or primary partition |
| 04:37.43 | shingouz | abrotman: yea.. iirc the sb module would be the correct one for the card and it should take irq, io and dma as parameters. irq and io should do it; irq=5 io=0x220 dma=0 dma2=1 should do the trick |
| 04:37.46 | geekla | my debian box freezes at "starting kernel log daemon: klogd" at boot. anyone seen this before? |
| 04:37.48 | dvs | Chameleon22: doesn't matter |
| 04:37.51 | Boyette | goto your router setup and find your nameserver then do echo nameserver ###.###.###.### > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:37.53 | Mike77 | shingouz: I'm going to discard this sound card. Most likely I will upgrade to a new box, so there is no point in making an obsolete piece of hardware work. |
| 04:38.01 | Boyette | that worked for me |
| 04:38.14 | shingouz | Mike77: i am running all obsolete hardware here stilll :) |
| 04:38.25 | dondelelcaro | geekla: that's pretty unusual. Does the box freeze? or does the startup just stop? |
| 04:38.25 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.41 | Chameleon22 | dvs: is it normal for metadata t take like 5G after i did mkfs on a 200GB drive? |
| 04:38.43 | geekla | dondelelcaro the startup stops |
| 04:38.46 | abrotman | shingouz: depends on the sound card .. sb won't work for all |
| 04:38.52 | D3v | I did " apt-get upgrade to day! and after that i havent been able to get on the net |
| 04:38.55 | Boyette | you usually don't though |
| 04:38.55 | dondelelcaro | geekla: you may be able ^C klogd then |
| 04:39.06 | shingouz | abrotman: should work for the CT4160 |
| 04:39.16 | abrotman | shingouz: ah ok |
| 04:39.19 | geekla | dondelelcaro I cannot do that, it just sits there |
| 04:39.23 | dondelelcaro | geekla: if not, boot with init=/sbin/init 1; and disable klogd using update-rc.d; |
| 04:39.23 | Mike77 | shingouz: but seem ISA is way beyond obsolescence |
| 04:39.43 | dondelelcaro | D3v: can you ping your gateway? |
| 04:39.45 | abrotman | Mike77: still works well for fax servers :) |
| 04:39.46 | Mike77 | Let me try with isapnp. BRB. |
| 04:39.47 | shingouz | Mike77: no it is not. try MCA or EISA for a size. i run both here |
| 04:39.49 | dondelelcaro | ISA is great stuff |
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| 04:39.57 | geekla | dondelelcaro I'll give that a shot |
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| 04:40.14 | abrotman | shingouz: eww .. MCA |
| 04:40.18 | dvs | Man! A sound blaster live! is $33 nowadays. |
| 04:40.28 | shingouz | abrotman: PS/2 rules |
| 04:40.35 | abrotman | dvs: you assume he has pci slots |
| 04:40.38 | Mike77 | you have EISA ? and I never heard of MCA |
| 04:40.46 | dvs | abrotman: Oh? You're right. |
| 04:40.48 | abrotman | shingouz: heh .. we used to have those at my uni for terminals |
| 04:40.55 | abrotman | !mca |
| 04:40.55 | dpkg | well, mca is Micro Channel Architecture, the bus used in IBM PS/2 machines. http://glycerine.itsmm.uni.edu/mca/ or is out of date. |
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| 04:41.09 | shingouz | Mike77: the computer i am on right now is an IBM PCserver 320 pci/eisa and i have a few MCA boxen here too |
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| 04:41.15 | geekla | dondelelcaro I can only select which kernel to boot. I can mount the disk from a rescue cd. can I manually edit the rc files or something? |
| 04:41.30 | Mike77 | Wow. What are you running in your box? Woody? |
| 04:41.32 | dondelelcaro | geekla: you can modify the command line passed to the kernel as well |
| 04:41.37 | shingouz | Mike77: sid |
| 04:41.51 | Mike77 | What? SID with EISA and MCA? |
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| 04:42.07 | rixth | I would like to change the icon for .php files in Gnome 2.8.1, could someone please explain the process? (There, I was nice and descriptive) |
| 04:42.21 | MobyTurbo | !tell rixth about repeat |
| 04:42.28 | Opiated | i don't see an option for ipv6 in the router config pages, but I can telnet to it and log in, where would I go from there |
| 04:42.32 | Mike77 | Then I should be able to make this sb work! |
| 04:42.34 | abrotman | rixth: try asking #gnome on irc.gnome.org .. they might knowm ore |
| 04:42.40 | D3v | dondelelcaro: nope |
| 04:42.42 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | can anyone help me? everytime i try to run an executbal file i get this error: quake.x11: cannot execute binary file |
| 04:42.43 | jazzmans | fuzzy, read the dpkg message about sig 11 right after my post. It tells you all you need to know. |
| 04:42.44 | shingouz | Mike77: sid on this box (EISA/PCI) sid on a pure eisa compaq 486, sid on several pci/mca and pure mca IBMs |
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| 04:43.03 | shingouz | Mike77: and on 2.6 for that matter |
| 04:43.06 | jazzmans | or /msg dpkg signal 11 |
| 04:43.30 | geekla | dondelelcaro I added that statement after "Linux" at the lilo prompt. klogd still tried to load |
| 04:43.37 | zl2tod | S100 |
| 04:43.44 | raf256 | the link "http://www.dimensional.com/~bgiles/debian-tt.html" in dpkg fir "fibnts" is dead |
| 04:43.47 | Mike77 | Awesome! It is amazing what you can do with linux. |
| 04:44.14 | FieldySnuts | @fuck MCA |
| 04:44.18 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.27 | abrotman | raf256: you reading all the obscure factoids ? |
| 04:44.30 | shingouz | Mike77: uname -a outputs: Linux core 2.6.10-core.1.1 #1 SMP Sun Mar 13 02:30:43 EET 2005 i586 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:45.27 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: lemme rub in some salt: i run dual cpu's on these too ;) |
| 04:45.44 | FieldySnuts | fine with me, dual XP 1800+ |
| 04:45.46 | raf256 | abrotman: o\yeah, I wonder how to instal MS fonts like tahome in the easiest way |
| 04:45.46 | Mike77 | BTW, what IRC client do linux ppl use? I have mIRC and it sucks! |
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| 04:45.58 | abrotman | raf256: erm .. |
| 04:46.07 | dvs | shingouz: What? Dual 486s? |
| 04:46.07 | raf256 | Mike77: konversation seems cool |
| 04:46.11 | abrotman | !tell raf256 about ttf |
| 04:46.16 | Epixc | whats with this ubunto, it looks like someone stole debian and put a new face on it! |
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| 04:46.21 | shingouz | dvs: dual p1-133@166 |
| 04:46.37 | abrotman | Epixc: pretty much |
| 04:46.38 | dvs | shingouz: One step up! ;-) |
| 04:47.00 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | does anyone know the deal with |
| 04:47.00 | abrotman | my 486 is running sarge .. |
| 04:47.08 | shingouz | dvs: yea but cpu1 is just a p1-120 so i didnt want to overclock it too much yet |
| 04:47.13 | karsten | @comfort abrotman |
| 04:47.15 | ravenbird | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:47.16 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | cannot execute binary file |
| 04:47.19 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | ??? its killing me |
| 04:47.24 | Epixc | abrotman, yea, the only difference i see is the abolished root user. but thats a bad thing! i like being able to be root! |
| 04:47.28 | abrotman | karsten: oh .. don't feel too bad .. my laptop is P4 2.4Ghz :) |
| 04:47.37 | karsten | @kick abrotman |
| 04:48.05 | Opiated | Boyette, I got the list of nameservers from my resolv.conf in the router, now what do I need to do |
| 04:48.09 | FieldySnuts | [CX]-sw0rdSavy: man chmod, and read about how to set the executable bit. alternatively, the filesystem the binary is on might be mounted "noexec". |
| 04:48.11 | Dmess | shin.... you have unmatched cpu's in a dual cpu mobo?? |
| 04:48.19 | shingouz | Dmess: yup :) |
| 04:48.30 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | FieldySnuts, i did chmod on the file. a+rwx "file" |
| 04:48.38 | Dmess | how the fack did you pull that off... |
| 04:48.39 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | it still the same |
| 04:48.51 | shingouz | Dmess: too lazy to crack open the box and replace them with something faster |
| 04:48.56 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | i dont think my root filestystem is mounted noexec |
| 04:49.02 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | how can i tell |
| 04:49.05 | abrotman | Dmess: it didn't used to be a big deal |
| 04:49.06 | geekla | dondelelcaro could my logs have errors or somthing? |
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| 04:49.25 | Dmess | but one is a 120 and the other a 133 |
| 04:49.36 | shingouz | Dmess: but it runs rock solid |
| 04:49.38 | dondelelcaro | geekla: no, that's probably not it... you may not have the right kernel log device, or something has gone wrong with klogd |
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| 04:49.46 | dvs | [CX]-sw0rdSavy: mount |
| 04:49.53 | abrotman | Dmess: i think the deal was .. as long as they were the same family .. the speed didn't matter .. so you could do a P90 and a P166 etc |
| 04:50.01 | Epixc | lol heres a nice quote from ubuntu: 'debian is not up to date' |
| 04:50.18 | geekla | dondelelcaro I took out klogd from /etc/init.d and its still hanging |
| 04:50.33 | dondelelcaro | geekla: then it's whatever is right after klogd that is failing. |
| 04:50.47 | shingouz | abrotman: Dmess: "they" used to say that the cpu's have to be the same family and speed, even the stepping was mentioned |
| 04:50.52 | Opiated | my resolv.conf at the top of the file first line says , "search com" and the next line says "nameserver ip.here" , what does the "search com" part mean? |
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| 04:51.04 | dvs | Opiated: Your domain |
| 04:51.22 | Dmess | very interestink... |
| 04:51.24 | dondelelcaro | Opiated: if you type in foo; it will try to first resolve foo; then resolve foo.com; |
| 04:51.28 | dvs | Opiated: Like "search domain.com" |
| 04:51.32 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 04:51.37 | Opiated | oh i see |
| 04:51.42 | Epixc | rofl: what is the point of sid if sarge is as up to date |
| 04:51.51 | dvs | [CX]-sw0rdSavy: You whole filesystem is read only |
| 04:51.56 | Opiated | so is this why there is no dns cache or something and firefox takes a while to resolve then connect |
| 04:52.02 | dvs | oops! |
| 04:52.10 | dvs | I gotta read more carefully |
| 04:52.14 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | how do i change this |
| 04:52.16 | shingouz | Dmess: and this box is rock solid, i reboot when i have a blackout or thunderstorm |
| 04:52.19 | Epixc | dvs, yes you do.. |
| 04:52.28 | D3v | I did " apt-get upgrade to day! and after that i havent been able to get on the net/ anyone else have any ideas . cant ping/ or dhcpcd eth0 or anything nothings worked so far |
| 04:52.32 | dvs | [CX]-sw0rdSavy: It's mounted rw so it's OK. |
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| 04:52.45 | Dmess | sounds cool Shin... i like duals... and quads... |
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| 04:52.54 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | should it be rwx dvs |
| 04:52.54 | Dmess | cad/cam apps |
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| 04:53.04 | abrotman | Dmess: i have a quad 500 at work .. |
| 04:53.05 | dvs | [CX]-sw0rdSavy: No, it's fine |
| 04:53.09 | poonj | hey guys, anyone here own a pcHDTV and PVR-250 setup? |
| 04:53.09 | zl2tod | D3w: laptop with PCMCIA ? |
| 04:53.09 | abrotman | or maybe it's 550 |
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| 04:53.16 | shingouz | Dmess: i am still looking for a nice dual 486 compaq proliant :) |
| 04:53.42 | [CX]-sw0rdSavy | well why do you think that my games always quit with cannot execute binary file |
| 04:53.44 | abrotman | shingouz: ebay? |
| 04:53.49 | abrotman | shingouz: museum ? |
| 04:54.01 | shingouz | abrotman: maybe, trying to get one locally |
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| 04:54.11 | Dmess | proliant ehh i have a compac pressario all in 1 |
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| 04:54.26 | Epixc | is it fair to say that sarge takes the newest packages but sid takes only packages of a certain version? |
| 04:54.36 | shingouz | Dmess: that would be the presario with either a 486 or a slow p1 |
| 04:54.42 | abrotman | Epixc: no .. sid is unstable .. sarge is currently testing |
| 04:55.21 | Dmess | 486sx... i swapped in a 486dx to have a co-processor |
| 04:55.22 | bebe | can i force debian to research ide drrives? |
| 04:55.45 | D3v | I did " apt-get upgrade to day! and after that i havent been able to get on the net/ anyone else have any ideas . cant ping/ or dhcpcd eth0 or anything nothings worked so far |
| 04:55.56 | Epixc | abrotman, ok take that statement and change sid to woody |
| 04:56.10 | bebe | D3v: what network card you got> |
| 04:56.11 | Mike77 | Will 'modconf' work properly in sarge? or should I use isapnp to sonfigure my sb ISA card? |
| 04:56.20 | shingouz | Dmess: if you can find either a kingston turbochip or an amd 5x86 you can get even more power out of it. iirc the ram maxes out at 128M in real life if you can find some 72-pin 64M sticks |
| 04:56.39 | D3v | bebe: realtek |
| 04:57.03 | shingouz | Mike77: modconf works in sarge and isapnp should be used first |
| 04:57.03 | bebe | D3v: type.. modprobe 8139too |
| 04:57.05 | bebe | as roo |
| 04:57.07 | bebe | as root |
| 04:57.27 | shingouz | Mike77: that is if the card is pnp and not something that should be configured with jumpers |
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| 04:57.35 | Dmess | amd 586 will drop in that socket?? |
| 04:58.09 | abrotman | in a 486? |
| 04:58.10 | abrotman | no |
| 04:58.17 | Mike77 | shingouz: oops. I used modconf with isapnp already installed and looks like it worked. It recognized the sound card and as a SB Vibra16 PnP. |
| 04:58.18 | shingouz | Dmess: amd 5x86. you may need the interposer to get the voltages right though, the chip is 3.3V |
| 04:58.22 | abrotman | 486 is socket3 .. 586 is socket5 |
| 04:58.34 | shingouz | Mike77: there you go. Just Works (tm) |
| 04:58.38 | mos__ | does anyone know if there is there any way to make a .deb created with checkinstall to have conflicts? |
| 04:58.39 | doleyb | kingsley: done with my formatting |
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| 04:59.20 | simonrvn | s/Vibra/Vibrator/ |
| 04:59.30 | Mike77 | shingouz: I'm starting to like this linux stuff! |
| 04:59.35 | D3v | bebe: what do i do after that |
| 04:59.41 | shingouz | Mike77: :) |
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| 05:00.00 | dvs | D3v: Did you see any messages? |
| 05:00.15 | D3v | nothing poped up |
| 05:00.35 | Epixc | abrotman, ok so ubuntu releases a new release every 6 months. whats so great about that!? sarge can stay updated over the course of years! |
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| 05:00.37 | dvs | D3v: Good. Now edit your /etc/network/interfaces file. |
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| 05:01.31 | Mike77 | Should I upgrade to 2.6 in my sarge installation? |
| 05:01.38 | dvs | Epixc: Not really. It'll be updated until it becomes stable. Then security fixes only. |
| 05:01.54 | shingouz | Mike77: you do not need it but you can if you like |
| 05:01.55 | geekla | dondelelcaro I cant figure out what runs after klogd. Ive looked though all of the rc. directories however they dont seem to go in order |
| 05:02.04 | dvs | Mike77: If it works why mess with it? |
| 05:02.06 | ^Trixy | Mike77, , 2.6 has excellent USB support |
| 05:02.24 | ^Trixy | Mike77, and apt-get the kernel-image is certain to work |
| 05:02.25 | abrotman | yeah .. but he's got ISA |
| 05:02.26 | Mike77 | USB support is a good reason. |
| 05:02.43 | Mike77 | Yeah, you are right, if it works, don't mess with it. |
| 05:02.48 | ^Trixy | you might need to do your isapnp stuff |
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| 05:02.52 | ^Trixy | again |
| 05:02.54 | ^Trixy | but maybe not |
| 05:02.56 | Epixc | dvs, ok, im confused about this now. unstable gets you all the newist packages right? |
| 05:03.02 | abrotman | Epixc: no .. sarge will get released .. and become stable |
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| 05:03.05 | dvs | Epixc: right |
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| 05:03.23 | bebe | D3v: should be workin |
| 05:03.24 | shingouz | i do not see any problems with 2.6 and older computers |
| 05:03.27 | bebe | dmesg| grep eth0 |
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| 05:03.38 | ^Trixy | Mike77: with sarge, you can install the kernel with apt and keep your old one. If the new one gives you problems, just remove it with dpkg. |
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| 05:03.49 | ^Trixy | Mike77: you will be able to choose what kernel to boot at startup |
| 05:03.50 | D3v | bebe: i already set that up |
| 05:03.51 | ^Trixy | by default |
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| 05:04.28 | ^Trixy | so, if you are interested in 2.6, grab a binary and see if you like it. Unless you prefer to self compile |
| 05:04.30 | Mike77 | That sounds interesting. Should I use apt to upgrade the kernel? I never done this before |
| 05:04.40 | Epixc | ok, and, is debian a good distro for servers. dumb question i know, but in general. |
| 05:04.51 | ^Trixy | Mike77, a kernel upgrade is not that big a deal. Just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 05:04.53 | Mike77 | I would prefer to stay away from self compile. I love apt-get... |
| 05:04.53 | dvs | Mike77: If you want a new one, use apt-get by all means |
| 05:05.15 | ^Trixy | Mike77, then choose the binary kernel for your architecture (probably i386) that shows up in the list |
| 05:05.33 | ^Trixy | Mike77, it shouldn't give you any trouble, and if it does just come back here with your old kernel and let us know |
| 05:06.01 | dvs | Mike77: Just don't remove your old kernel!!!! |
| 05:06.03 | bebe | D3v: still not working? |
| 05:06.08 | bebe | ifconfig eth0 |
| 05:06.24 | Mike77 | will my hw configuration be deleted? |
| 05:06.32 | shingouz | the only thing i have noticed with the latest software is that it is just slow on an old computer, it does not break anything. running Gnome on a dual P1 is not recommended, running 2.6.10 SMP on such a beast is |
| 05:06.48 | geekla | dondelelcaro I can boot into single user mode just fine. does that help? |
| 05:06.58 | dvs | Mike77: In your /etc/modules file? no |
| 05:07.39 | Mike77 | Great. It is worth trying then. |
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| 05:08.35 | Mike77 | Do I need alsa for XWindow? |
| 05:08.47 | Mike77 | or is it for console only? |
| 05:08.47 | shingouz | Mike77: no |
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| 05:09.00 | abrotman | shingouz: on my 486 .. dpkg-reconfiugre ssh takes about 5 minutes |
| 05:09.03 | cg0def | can anyone help with a gnome multimedia problem? |
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| 05:09.19 | cg0def | gnome cannot pick up alsa but it is intalled and working |
| 05:09.24 | cg0def | xmms works fine |
| 05:09.25 | shingouz | abrotman: somethings happen slower, that is for sure but it still works |
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| 05:09.33 | omnistegan | I can't believe this is working, I'm installing windows XP off of wine, i honestly didnt think it would work, cool anyways |
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| 05:09.55 | ^Trixy | omnistegan, you think that's cool |
| 05:10.05 | geekla | how can I disable promiscuous mode? |
| 05:10.07 | ^Trixy | omnistegan, I am running Xchat in debian through windows xp right now |
| 05:10.10 | shingouz | installing XP is never cool.... |
| 05:10.41 | omnistegan | ^Trixy: sure why not, your just using an emulator, i didnt think an os install ona regular partition would work off a barebones emulator |
| 05:10.51 | Epixc | shingouz, heh, once i had to use an XP disk to boot into debian. not dun |
| 05:10.53 | Epixc | fun* |
| 05:11.23 | abrotman | shingouz: yes .. but damn slow! |
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| 05:11.39 | shingouz | when i see the XP desktop i always fear the teletubbies will charge down the hill |
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| 05:11.48 | omnistegan | I hate to do it, by my gaming heart is killing me |
| 05:11.48 | ^Trixy | omnistegan, I see your emulator is as big as mine |
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| 05:11.49 | Epixc | has anyone ever found that windows tends to slow down more and more over time? so strange |
| 05:12.03 | Mike77 | About cross-platforms, is there any way of reading and WRITING an NTFS partition with linux? |
| 05:12.10 | dvs | Epixc: My roommate has |
| 05:12.10 | shingouz | Epixc: yes, that is why i installed debian |
| 05:12.12 | omnistegan | Epixc: thats why i reformatt my computer once a month |
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| 05:12.16 | dvs | Mike77: not safely |
| 05:12.23 | doleyb | omnistegan: www.transgaming.com |
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| 05:12.43 | omnistegan | dolbyx: more than half of my games didnt work in cedega :( |
| 05:13.08 | Epixc | omnistegan, but a game system |
| 05:13.14 | Epixc | omnistegan, buy |
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| 05:13.20 | omnistegan | I have an xbox |
| 05:13.27 | Epixc | omnistegan, use it :P |
| 05:13.44 | omnistegan | Epixc: i have over 200 pc games that i would like to play |
| 05:13.47 | dvs | !smite omnistegan |
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| 05:14.00 | omnistegan | that was mean dvs |
| 05:14.13 | Epixc | omnistegan, then get that kit to use an xbox as a win box |
| 05:14.16 | dvs | omnistegan: Hey! You have an Xbox! ;-) |
| 05:14.33 | Epixc | lol i know people who have nixed their xboxes |
| 05:14.39 | omnistegan | dvs: xbox is the best console my a long shot |
| 05:14.54 | omnistegan | when i get my second one linux is going on it |
| 05:14.55 | Overand | best *hardware* |
| 05:14.55 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | PC > consoles |
| 05:14.56 | Overand | but. |
| 05:15.05 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | ^ |
| 05:15.09 | Overand | it doesn't have the best peripherals or games |
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| 05:15.27 | Overand | but it's great for being a mythtv frontend, etc |
| 05:15.27 | omnistegan | and what does overland? |
| 05:15.37 | Overand | omnistegan: at this point, the PS2 may still be hing |
| 05:15.38 | Overand | king |
| 05:15.50 | Overand | yer best bet, (besides learning to use tab complete) is to get a bunch |
| 05:15.55 | Overand | there are some *great* dreamcast games |
| 05:16.04 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | o bought a PS2, just to play Gran Turismo |
| 05:16.07 | Overand | and a lot of emulators written to run on the DV that perform well, so that's a good system to have |
| 05:16.12 | Overand | DV --> DC |
| 05:16.18 | omnistegan | Overland: i dont see any great ps2 periphials, well i think xbox live tops them all |
| 05:16.19 | Epixc | !smite gates |
| 05:16.26 | abrotman | SPEEDing|V\oNK: you're not the only one i know that did that |
| 05:16.27 | dvs | SPEEDing|V\oNK: I bought one because the new slim one looks great. |
| 05:16.31 | Epixc | haha |
| 05:16.37 | Overand | omnistegan: XBOX live is certainly XBOX's strong suit. |
| 05:16.43 | Overand | and there *are* some great games for XBOX |
| 05:16.46 | dvs | haha |
| 05:17.04 | Epixc | !smite Bill Gates |
| 05:17.07 | Overand | But at this point, the PS2 still has a larger library, even if you don't count the PS1 games |
| 05:17.22 | Epixc | Overand, yup |
| 05:17.24 | Overand | and I strongly doubt that the next gen xbox will play xbox1 games. so. |
| 05:17.30 | Epixc | Overand, and its easier to mod |
| 05:17.34 | omnistegan | Overand: i would only seriously want to play one or two of those games though |
| 05:17.39 | Overand | PS2 modding vs. XBOX modding? |
| 05:17.39 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | abrotman, , hehe i dont bought is, as far as hardware /performance PC > * but if you wanna play a "sony" game PS2 it is... it sucks but what ever, i got a slim one too its on my lan and its great |
| 05:17.47 | omnistegan | xbox modding by far |
| 05:17.51 | omnistegan | cuz of the harddrive |
| 05:17.56 | Overand | xbox modding is painfully easy |
| 05:17.59 | Overand | or at least was |
| 05:18.03 | omnistegan | it is |
| 05:18.06 | Epixc | Overand, you buy a kit that lets you open up the DVD drive. there. you arre done |
| 05:18.06 | Overand | two solder blobs |
| 05:18.07 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | you can get HDs for PS2 |
| 05:18.12 | omnistegan | you can do it without even opeining the box |
| 05:18.18 | Overand | omnistegan: that ' |
| 05:18.25 | Overand | 'mod' is the one that dies on reboot right? |
| 05:18.33 | Overand | that's the mod i used to enable me to flash the BIOS |
| 05:18.46 | Overand | but you've still got to put two solder blobs on the mobo to enable bios flashing |
| 05:19.05 | kdog_ | what's the best way to find out if a CERT vuln has been fixed in a package? |
| 05:19.06 | omnistegan | ya, but you can put linux on your xbox without opeining the case |
| 05:19.06 | Overand | and the bios flash is required to make proper 'eject' support work, afaik |
| 05:19.12 | Epixc | COLDHEAT to the rescue! |
| 05:19.19 | omnistegan | lol Epixc |
| 05:19.21 | Overand | omnistegan: yeah, but you've got to boot up mechwarrior whatever-it's-called to do it |
| 05:19.28 | Overand | Epixc: 'coldheat' ? |
| 05:19.41 | omnistegan | Overland, aout 4 or 5 games can do it now |
| 05:19.44 | Epixc | Overand, one sec ill get you a link |
| 05:19.44 | Overand | are you talking about that ass-crappy tiny soldering device? |
| 05:19.51 | Overand | omnistegan: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE learn to use tab-complete |
| 05:19.53 | Epixc | Overand, yup :P |
| 05:20.16 | Overand | Epixc: ah, I solder with a 'solder station,' a Weller WTCPT. Runs $100-$150 |
| 05:20.20 | omnistegan | Overand, sorry |
| 05:20.33 | Epixc | Overand, whats so bad about the coldheat |
| 05:20.36 | Overand | omnistegan: mis-spelling my name on IRC *really* makes you look like a noob. |
| 05:20.36 | abrotman | SPEEDing|V\oNK: not the new ones |
| 05:20.45 | omnistegan | Overand, i try |
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| 05:20.54 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | nope but at least they come w/ a nic built in +D |
| 05:20.58 | Overand | Epixc: find me a professional electrical engineer who uses one and i'll think about it. |
| 05:20.59 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | that haleps |
| 05:21.08 | abrotman | SPEEDing|V\oNK: the reason i'd rather have a console .. the games are guaranteed to work .. no futzing with drivers or hardware or specs etc . it just damn works |
| 05:21.15 | omnistegan | Overand, i just love the commercial |
| 05:21.41 | Overand | abrotman: not to mention price. |
| 05:21.57 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | abrotman, yea i hear ya, sounds kinda funny coming from someone who uses *nix tho +D |
| 05:22.08 | Overand | SPEEDing|V\oNK: not really. |
| 05:22.26 | bytecolor | one day people will learn... anything you buy off the tv is a $2 plastic piece of shit made in china |
| 05:22.30 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | yea it was either DDR400 512mreg ram or a PS2, so i went w/ a PS2 +DS |
| 05:22.37 | abrotman | SPEEDing|V\oNK: well .. but game specs change .. |
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| 05:22.58 | Overand | bytecolor: lots of good stuff is made in china. We just don't import it. |
| 05:23.05 | Overand | 'we' being most of the rest of the world. |
| 05:23.28 | ^Trixy | SPEEDing|V\oNK, actually *nix users usually like limited hardware and try to make it do all that it can do |
| 05:23.29 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | yea PS2s not bad, plays MPEG1, MPEG2, ect ect |
| 05:23.37 | Overand | 300mhz |
| 05:23.37 | Overand | heh |
| 05:23.39 | Mike77 | I got my ISA pnp sound card working. Thanks ! |
| 05:23.46 | ^Trixy | SPEEDing|V\oNK, consoles are definitely a *nix user thing |
| 05:24.08 | dvs | Mike77: how? |
| 05:24.16 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | makes sence, but PC hardware still > * |
| 05:24.18 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | ie |
| 05:24.19 | Overand | once you get *nix and GCC and some libraries onto your obscure hardware, and get it net connected, yer good! |
| 05:24.20 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | CPU Info: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ |
| 05:24.24 | ^Trixy | Mike77, pawsome, using kernel 2.6? |
| 05:24.31 | Overand | SPEEDing|V\oNK: that *might* change with the PS3 |
| 05:24.37 | abrotman | SPEEDing|V\oNK: the hardware yes .. but not for gaming |
| 05:24.51 | ^Trixy | hey I like barebones hardware |
| 05:24.55 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | huh? ps3 what abrotman ? |
| 05:24.58 | Mike77 | Sarge 2.4, apt-get isapnputils, modconf -> sb |
| 05:25.00 | Overand | ISA, man |
| 05:25.04 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | isnt there PSX ? |
| 05:25.05 | Overand | that'd better not be on a 'fast' system |
| 05:25.12 | Overand | wait states will own yer bus |
| 05:25.22 | abrotman | PS3 .. Cell |
| 05:25.32 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | PSP ? |
| 05:25.37 | Overand | multiple vector chips on one die |
| 05:25.39 | Overand | it might be interesting |
| 05:25.45 | Overand | it also might suck ass |
| 05:25.48 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | heh |
| 05:25.53 | Overand | some good compilers and software design are going to be needed. |
| 05:25.54 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | goos both ways |
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| 05:26.30 | abrotman | PSP is handheld |
| 05:26.35 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | yup |
| 05:26.47 | Mike77 | where can I get a list of recommended pkgs for X? |
| 05:27.01 | dvs | Mike77: It depends what you want |
| 05:27.14 | Mike77 | Typical Windoze apps |
| 05:27.21 | ^Trixy | Mike77, sarge should come with a suite of stuff |
| 05:27.27 | ^Trixy | Mike77, openoffice for example |
| 05:27.42 | Mike77 | Sarge has 17CDs and I wouldn't like to install all |
| 05:27.55 | ^Trixy | Mike77, should have done a net install |
| 05:28.09 | ^Trixy | Mike77, what have you got now for X? gnome and KDE should be looked at |
| 05:28.10 | Mike77 | I'm talking about those cool looking cpu gauges, transparent windows, dockers and stuff |
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| 05:28.25 | ^Trixy | Mike77, also check out enlightenment and blackbox |
| 05:28.28 | marinos | Mike77: the CDs are in popularity |
| 05:28.31 | ^Trixy | depending on your level of l33t wannabe |
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| 05:28.49 | Overand | FUCK ME |
| 05:28.51 | Overand | FUCKIGN APP JUST DIED |
| 05:29.15 | shingouz | Mike77: out of curiosity, what cpu you have there? |
| 05:29.17 | Mike77 | I don't want to go to desktops because it makes my box too slow. I'm using onl wmaker and xdm. |
| 05:29.39 | Mike77 | PII 350 |
| 05:29.57 | Mike77 | the only thing that kills my cpu is mozilla |
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| 05:30.09 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | so i can play MS agmes via wine correct? |
| 05:30.12 | sinoth | Mike77, you won't run blackbox but you want cool looking cpu gauges, transparent windows, etc? |
| 05:30.12 | shingouz | Mike77: that should be able to handle xfce too. try galeon for a browser, moz it wayyyy to bloated |
| 05:30.14 | Cyanophytes | Is there a way to kill all dosemu processes withought entering their pid? |
| 05:30.21 | ^Trixy | SPEEDing|V\oNK, not correct |
| 05:30.30 | shingouz | Cyanophytes: killall |
| 05:30.30 | dvs | Mike77: Or even firefox |
| 05:30.35 | marinos | last firefox version is running soo smooth ... |
| 05:30.44 | ^Trixy | SPEEDing|V\oNK, you can play windows games with wine if you really mess with them in a big way |
| 05:30.44 | Cyanophytes | shingouz: heh |
| 05:30.47 | Cyanophytes | funny |
| 05:30.47 | marinos | i have an k6-2 |
| 05:30.54 | shingouz | Cyanophytes: man killall |
| 05:30.57 | ^Trixy | SPEEDing|V\oNK, they usually don't just run out of the box |
| 05:30.59 | Mike77 | mozilla is not the same as firefox? |
| 05:31.04 | shingouz | Mike77: nope |
| 05:31.18 | dvs | Mike77: No, firefox is browser only |
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| 05:31.27 | marinos | Mike77: mozilla is the hole suite navigator-mailer etc |
| 05:31.36 | Overand | it uses mostly the same 'rendering engine' at the core of the app |
| 05:31.38 | bytecolor | Mike77, you could fish around dselect, I've found all sorts of fun utilities that way |
| 05:31.49 | shingouz | mozilla is a beached whale..... |
| 05:31.52 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | ^Trixy, can i play them off of my NTFS partion? |
| 05:31.55 | Mike77 | ok. apt-get removing |
| 05:31.56 | Overand | firefox is the one that's been getting all the press lately, mozilla's a more 'mature' project. |
| 05:32.10 | dvs | Overand: and about to be defunked. |
| 05:32.10 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | firefox is cool |
| 05:32.19 | shingouz | Mike77: don't remove mozilla, you need a few parts of it to run galeon or firefox |
| 05:32.20 | marinos | yea :) |
| 05:32.30 | Overand | shingouz: erm. you sure of that? |
| 05:32.31 | ^Trixy | SPEEDing|V\oNK, not necessarily. OpenGL apps usually work without much fuss but a lot of direct3d and directX library stuff in general is almost impossible to get going |
| 05:32.45 | Overand | the firefox package should handle all those dependencies |
| 05:32.49 | shingouz | Overand: at least galeon needs a few parts off mozilla |
| 05:33.00 | Mike77 | I can do a remove mozilla, install firefox. It will install all dependencies. |
| 05:33.04 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | ^Trixy, so id have to insyall them to ext2/3 right? |
| 05:33.13 | shingouz | the galeon package does take care of them though... |
| 05:33.21 | Overand | shingouz: if mozilla is a dependency of galeon, then... it won't get hosed. |
| 05:33.23 | Overand | probably |
| 05:33.23 | Overand | heh |
| 05:33.34 | ^Trixy | SPEEDing|V\oNK, you could read them from the ntfs, but you probably need to write to it too |
| 05:33.53 | ^Trixy | SPEEDing|V\oNK, I used to run counter-strike from my FAT32 partition |
| 05:34.00 | abrotman | unless you dont want to save the game :) |
| 05:34.01 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | np w/ fat? |
| 05:34.30 | shingouz | i need to apt-get install caffeine. bbiab |
| 05:34.31 | ^Trixy | SPEEDing|V\oNK, fat is easy to write to. Right now, NetBSD ffs and windows NT NTFS are the retarded Downes children of the filesystem world, though |
| 05:34.33 | bytecolor | dont think you need the mozilla package with firefox |
| 05:34.49 | abrotman | SPEEDing|V\oNK: linux has no issues i know of with a rw fat32 partition |
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| 05:35.06 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | yea, well im pretty sure thats thwe way that want NTFS to bee tho |
| 05:35.27 | Mike77 | according to the installation, firefox needs a few mozilla pkgs |
| 05:35.28 | Overand | tyhere's a fairly nifty trick to write to NTFS |
| 05:35.32 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | its cool that i can read ext2/3 from windows tho +D |
| 05:35.37 | dvs | Mike77: no surprise there |
| 05:36.02 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | i can write to NTFS w/ NP |
| 05:36.04 | Overand | a driver that loads the NTFS.SYS or NTFS.DLL (i forget which) off the partition and lets linux read and write to it |
| 05:36.11 | abrotman | SPEEDing|V\oNK: but ntfs is closed ... andiffy |
| 05:36.11 | Overand | but i don't know if i'd "trust" it |
| 05:36.49 | Mike77 | something weird: I did an apt-get remove mozilla but I still have it in the system. Is this right? |
| 05:37.03 | dvs | Mike77: The config files? |
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| 05:37.13 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | abrotman, THERES AN EASY WAy to do it ie from w/ in linux copy the NTFS file over to ext2/3 edit it and save it to ext2/3 boot to MS and read the file back off of ext2/3 |
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| 05:37.32 | Overand | captive: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 05:37.37 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | its a hack but hey it works +D |
| 05:37.37 | MobyTurbo | Mike77: you use apt-get remove --purge to remove config files |
| 05:37.38 | Mike77 | dvs: no, I can execute mozilla browser from X |
| 05:37.55 | bytecolor | apt-get remove mozilla-browser |
| 05:38.05 | abrotman | SPEEDing|V\oNK: that's not easy |
| 05:38.09 | Mike77 | oh, I forgot the -browser part |
| 05:38.14 | Mike77 | thanks! |
| 05:38.26 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | abrotman, hehe |
| 05:38.31 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | its not hard.. |
| 05:38.50 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | eayser then email |
| 05:38.57 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | or buring CDs |
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| 05:39.08 | abrotman | use a fat32 parititno |
| 05:39.22 | CharlesBrown | Is rox not in the debian/sarge repository? |
| 05:39.34 | ^Trixy | second hard disk with win98 is usually better for a linux gaming machine |
| 05:39.34 | dvs | Mike77: Yeah, mozilla is a meta-package |
| 05:39.53 | ^Trixy | the only win98 architecture problem is the ram limit |
| 05:39.57 | abrotman | wtf is rox? |
| 05:39.59 | ^Trixy | in terms of gaming |
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| 05:40.36 | ^Trixy | I prefer to just emulate linux on my windows machine |
| 05:40.38 | Mike77 | I got a couple of orphaned packages. Can someone remind me the commands to check the package installation? |
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| 05:40.56 | dondelelcaro | Mike77: check it in what way? |
| 05:41.05 | abrotman | CharlesBrown: you could try uhm .. xfe i think it's called |
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| 05:41.21 | Mike77 | check that all dependencies are met, all packages are present and everything is nice and smooth. |
| 05:41.32 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | yea |
| 05:41.42 | dondelelcaro | Mike77: any time you run apt-get or dpkg, that is done for you. |
| 05:41.43 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | i prefer NT5 over anything else ATM |
| 05:41.50 | dvs | Mike77: dpkg will make sure all dependencies are met |
| 05:42.15 | Mike77 | even if I install firefox and remove mozilla-browser? |
| 05:42.25 | dondelelcaro | Mike77: yes. |
| 05:42.25 | Mike77 | (in this sequence) |
| 05:42.26 | dvs | Mike77: Yes, always |
| 05:42.33 | Mike77 | Cool! |
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| 05:43.52 | dvs | Mike77: The order doesn't matter |
| 05:44.00 | Overand | are there any french canadians here? |
| 05:44.01 | Overand | I need help translating a word that i don't know how to spell... |
| 05:46.00 | Mike77 | what do you think so far about my system: PII 350, 64MB RAM, 4GB HD, running Sarge 2.4, WMaker, XDM, no office, no desktop, nothing fancy. Future purpose: file server. Would you add/modify anything to this setup? |
| 05:46.15 | C17H21NO4 | What are some good wireless cards that support linux? |
| 05:46.26 | dvs | Mike77: I'd take out X entirely |
| 05:46.44 | Isil`Zha | hi. when doing apt-update I get the abbreviation "ign" in front of a server. how can this be avoided? i mean if it wouldn't be able to reach the server the msg would be different wouldn't it? or does "ign" mean something different than "ignore"? |
| 05:46.54 | dvs | Mike77: Actually, I'd find the biggest hard drive that system will support and use that. |
| 05:47.16 | marinos | what fileserver ?? |
| 05:47.18 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | yea that reminds me, why does linux use um like 300+meg of my ram? |
| 05:47.21 | marinos | nfs or samba |
| 05:47.37 | marinos | SPEEDing|V\oNK: id doeasnt really |
| 05:47.45 | Mike77 | dvs: the reason I have X is that I need browsing (and lynx is impossible for me) |
| 05:47.56 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | i believe it is according to top |
| 05:47.58 | marinos | SPEEDing|V\oNK: it just caches applications already run |
| 05:48.21 | abrotman | SPEEDing|V\oNK: that's the way linux works |
| 05:48.21 | marinos | if you run free -t |
| 05:48.34 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | yea |
| 05:48.39 | marinos | you can see that there is a lot of it used by cache |
| 05:48.46 | dondelelcaro | !free ram |
| 05:48.46 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 05:48.51 | dondelelcaro | SPEEDing|V\oNK: ^^^ |
| 05:48.53 | abrotman | !free memory |
| 05:48.54 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 05:48.56 | abrotman | oh .. that too |
| 05:49.21 | Mike77 | that's why RAM is always maxed ??? |
| 05:49.32 | dondelelcaro | Mike77: yes, otherwise what's the point of having it? |
| 05:49.33 | dvs | Mike77: Yup |
| 05:49.33 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | dondelelcaro, thx |
| 05:49.45 | dondelelcaro | SPEEDing|V\oNK: np |
| 05:49.57 | Mike77 | and how can I know when I'm low on memory? when I start using the swap? |
| 05:50.05 | dondelelcaro | Mike77: not really even then |
| 05:50.20 | ^Trixy | Mike77, you should never be low on memory in this day and age |
| 05:50.34 | dvs | ^Trixy: It's an old system. |
| 05:50.35 | marinos | Mike77: you will see you swap rize |
| 05:50.35 | dondelelcaro | Mike77: applications that aren't being used very often should be swapped out... the way to tell is when you start hitting swap hard |
| 05:50.48 | abrotman | Mike77: if you're really deep into swap .. all the time |
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| 05:51.56 | Mike77 | when I had a clean sarge with no X, my ram was close to max and 0 swap. This does not mean that linux needs 64MB to run, does it? |
| 05:51.59 | pureone_ | gkrellm is good to monitor system stats |
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| 05:52.08 | abrotman | it would be nice if linux would drop pages from RAM after a certain amount of time .. like 5 hours or something |
| 05:52.25 | dvs | Mike77: No, it means that it's using the memory for buffers. |
| 05:52.32 | abrotman | Mike77: my 486 runs kernel2.6/bind/pppd/dhcpd .. all in 36MB .. with some left over |
| 05:52.50 | mwilson | If it's not using all the RAM, then something is broken. |
| 05:52.51 | bytecolor | Mike77, I ran red hat on 8Mb once |
| 05:53.01 | bytecolor | slow as hell, but it loaded |
| 05:53.08 | ^Trixy | I plan to run netbsd on something with no hard drive |
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| 05:53.14 | ^Trixy | or disk drive |
| 05:53.15 | abrotman | mwilson: or you have way way way too much ram :) |
| 05:53.16 | Mike77 | great! |
| 05:53.28 | bytecolor | 'twas a 16Mhz 386 |
| 05:53.47 | Mike77 | gkrellm are those fancy system gauges that show in X? |
| 05:53.51 | jeff00o | ok, i want to run a game that uses libc.so.5 so i need to find libc5 binary libaries do i not? |
| 05:53.56 | dvs | Mike77: It's when the hard drive is constantly going that you need to worry |
| 05:54.24 | jeff00o | or a libc5 compatability lib? |
| 05:54.27 | Mike77 | dvs: I get that during start up, but no more. Even in X. |
| 05:54.29 | ^Trixy | Mike77, you have fancy gauges? |
| 05:54.38 | Mike77 | Nope. |
| 05:54.40 | ^Trixy | Mike77, keep me posted if you find neat things, I would like to have neat things too |
| 05:54.47 | kdog_ | What's the current status of the sarge/testing security team? |
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| 05:55.57 | Mike77 | Trixy: I was browsing http://www.lynucs.org/index.php and found lots of linux installation running cool stuff, but I guess it is too much for my old box. |
| 05:56.20 | wax | howdy |
| 05:56.36 | ^Trixy | Mike77, I will check it out and let you know |
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| 05:56.45 | christor | Hello |
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| 05:57.17 | ^Trixy | Mike77, oh, window managers probably aren't what you want to go for |
| 05:57.43 | ^Trixy | Mike77, try running the gnome suite. The auto-generated Debian menus really put me off of window managers, even though so many of them are awesome looking |
| 05:57.44 | wax | anyone feel like fielding a dumb question? |
| 05:57.50 | ^Trixy | shoot |
| 05:57.52 | cat | ask wax |
| 05:57.53 | christor | i have a problem with an apache css file, When the script cgi try to access to the css file, I have an error http 500 on the css file |
| 05:58.08 | wax | what's the best way to add new user accounts? |
| 05:58.13 | dondelelcaro | wax: adduser |
| 05:58.14 | cat | wax adduser |
| 05:58.23 | dvs | wax: That's dumb question ;-) |
| 05:58.29 | ^Trixy | nah |
| 05:58.33 | ^Trixy | it's a simple question |
| 05:58.52 | wax | does adduser create a default password? |
| 05:58.55 | drp | no such thing as a dumb question if you truly don't know the answer |
| 05:59.06 | cat | wax nope |
| 05:59.09 | dondelelcaro | christor: check /var/log/apache/error.log to see why it responded with 500 |
| 05:59.10 | Xenguy | wax: no |
| 05:59.12 | cat | wax you need to set a password |
| 05:59.12 | wax | i already knew of adduser :) |
| 05:59.23 | dvs | drp: As you were saying? |
| 05:59.32 | wax | i must be doing something wrong |
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| 05:59.44 | cat | do you get any errors? |
| 05:59.51 | Mike77 | Trixy: I want to go the WindowManager route for my old PC. Desktops are too much for my system. WindowMaker and XDM is all I need. Add a browser, file explorer, winamp type player and I'm good to go. |
| 06:00.05 | wax | nope, i just can't login with the user i thought i created |
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| 06:00.15 | cat | Mike77 used fluxbox |
| 06:00.19 | hanasaki | how can i check what processes are the heavy users of disk IO? |
| 06:00.23 | bltzfsck | how do you start mplayer in a gui? |
| 06:00.27 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | Current Downstream 4229.06 KB/s| Current Upstream 57.08 KB/s |
| 06:00.27 | cat | wax you maybe dind't set a password |
| 06:00.32 | cat | so it wasn't added it up successfully |
| 06:00.42 | cat | bltzfsck gmplayer |
| 06:00.50 | bltzfsck | thx |
| 06:00.53 | cat | np |
| 06:01.42 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | my bad wrong network |
| 06:01.48 | wax | cat i used useradd -d /home/finkla -s /bin/bash -g finkla -p finkla finkla |
| 06:01.56 | bltzfsck | Failed to open /dev/rtc: No such device (it should be readable by the user.) |
| 06:01.56 | bltzfsck | [skin] file ( /usr/share/mplayer/Skin/default/skin ) not found. |
| 06:01.56 | bltzfsck | Skin not found (default). |
| 06:02.06 | ^Trixy | Mike77, try the Blackbox window manager |
| 06:02.13 | bltzfsck | i just installed it,and apparently i'm not done yet |
| 06:02.14 | cat | wax is adduser |
| 06:02.17 | cat | and then follow directions |
| 06:02.22 | wax | doh |
| 06:02.29 | ^Trixy | Mike77, it doesn't look like much on it's own, but if you grab a nice theme it really meshes well with terminals |
| 06:02.37 | wax | dislexia |
| 06:02.41 | cat | bltzfsck try apt-cache search mplayer |
| 06:02.45 | ^Trixy | Mike77, especially green on black terms |
| 06:02.45 | cat | and installed the skins and the fonts for it |
| 06:02.47 | dondelelcaro | hanasaki: AFAIK, that information isn't tracked. Someone may have a kernel patch to keep track of it though |
| 06:03.11 | Mike77 | Trixy: which w-managers do you recommend ? |
| 06:03.12 | hanasaki | dondelelcaro: bummer.. my disk is thrashign ilke crazy.. no swap in use. |
| 06:03.23 | cat | Mike77 for a slow pc and old fluxbox, |
| 06:03.23 | dondelelcaro | hanasaki: oh, ps axfu|grep D; |
| 06:03.24 | cat | or blackbox |
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| 06:03.49 | trentbuck | Anybody know how to register the NFS client with the portmapper? |
| 06:04.06 | bltzfsck | No such file or directory |
| 06:04.07 | bltzfsck | Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd |
| 06:04.12 | bltzfsck | also got this |
| 06:04.37 | cat | yeah, |
| 06:04.43 | trentbuck | "mount -t nfs host:/foo /bar" fails with "mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
| 06:04.46 | cat | you maybe need to create a sylink, |
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| 06:05.07 | hanasaki | dondelelcaro: which colum is the disk activity? or thats just for daemons? |
| 06:05.19 | trentbuck | rpcinfo -p doesn't list statd, only ypbind, status and portmapper. |
| 06:05.24 | Ferret | !chm-viewer |
| 06:05.30 | Mike77 | which display manager do you recommend too? |
| 06:05.32 | bltzfsck | cat, what's the apt-cache give me? |
| 06:05.35 | real | anyone knows a deb to add on my sources.list to install kde 3.4 on sid? |
| 06:05.39 | Ferret | Hmm, I should really work out how to use these bots. |
| 06:05.46 | bltzfsck | what's available for download, right? |
| 06:05.47 | cat | bltzfsck to search for the packaged |
| 06:05.51 | trentbuck | real: ubuntu? :-) |
| 06:05.54 | cat | yeah, |
| 06:05.59 | dondelelcaro | hanasaki: it isn't there. What you're going to see are the processes stuck in uninteruptable sleeps, and loads of IO access is usually one of the culprits for that |
| 06:06.05 | cat | real go to #debian-kde i believed |
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| 06:06.30 | bltzfsck | i have mplayer, just no /dev/dvd and no /dev/rtc |
| 06:06.43 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 06:07.04 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: mplayer works without /dev/rtc. |
| 06:07.16 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: your DVD drive is probably /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd |
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| 06:07.20 | cat | i believed you need to create a sylink to /dev/dvd |
| 06:07.29 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: try -dvd-device option, IIRC |
| 06:07.36 | odine | what ver of kde is in testing? |
| 06:07.36 | bltzfsck | trentbuck, so just make a symlink? |
| 06:07.43 | cat | bltzfsck try using xine to play dvds |
| 06:07.51 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: you don't need a symlink |
| 06:07.54 | bltzfsck | mplayer -dvd-device option? |
| 06:07.56 | cat | !info kde testing |
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| 06:07.59 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:43 (sarge), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 06:08.01 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: mplayer has an option to specify dvd device |
| 06:08.06 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 06:08.12 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: I use it after ripping dvds with dd :-) |
| 06:08.13 | ^Trixy | yo |
| 06:08.14 | bltzfsck | dvd://1 |
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| 06:08.34 | bltzfsck | trentbuck, can you straight dd a dvd? |
| 06:08.56 | hanasaki | hmm so what is STAT = RNs ? |
| 06:09.01 | bltzfsck | save it on h/d? |
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| 06:09.14 | dodgyville | apt-get is giving me a error installing libwxgtk2.4-python. "trying to overwrite /usr/bin/helpviewer also in wxpython2.5.3 ... I run testing. |
| 06:09.46 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: yep |
| 06:09.56 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: but it blows a lot of disk space. |
| 06:10.00 | cat | dodgyville try apt-get -f install |
| 06:10.36 | dodgyville | cat: -f install tries to install the packages that are causing the error :( |
| 06:10.54 | bltzfsck | can you burn the images? |
| 06:11.18 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: AFAIK, yes. It's just like dd'ing and cdrecording an ordinary ISO image. |
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| 06:11.32 | trentbuck | dodgyville: try dpkg -P <package>. |
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| 06:11.55 | bltzfsck | trentbuck, wow, i thought you needed exotic codecs and stuff |
| 06:12.04 | sinoth | i just got wireless working but am having a strange problem.. if I wget a large file, the connection is fine at first but as time goes on it gets slower and slower, as if the driver is being bogged down or something |
| 06:12.05 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: The only thing that won't work is if you have a multisession CD/DVD. |
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| 06:12.39 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: You need the w32codecs package to rip to (or watch) divx, IIRC. |
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| 06:13.06 | bltzfsck | cant get xine to work with a dvd either, btw |
| 06:13.16 | cat | yeah i believed is the sylink, |
| 06:13.38 | bltzfsck | says there is no input plugin available to handle dvd:// |
| 06:13.39 | Mike77_linux | test |
| 06:14.06 | bltzfsck | maybe it just can't find the hardware? |
| 06:14.20 | sinoth | has anyone had similar problems with wireless connection getting worse over time? |
| 06:14.58 | Mike77_linux | X-Question: how can I make the scroll wheel work? |
| 06:15.04 | trentbuck | bltzfsck: no idea; never used xine |
| 06:15.18 | trentbuck | Mike77_linux: under X11? |
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| 06:15.29 | Mike77_linux | yes |
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| 06:15.45 | trentbuck | Mike77_linux: add: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 06:15.58 | Mike77_linux | where? |
| 06:16.00 | trentbuck | Mike77_linux: to the mouse stanza of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 06:16.06 | Mike77_linux | ok |
| 06:16.15 | trentbuck | Mike77_linux: then restart X, obviously. |
| 06:16.49 | Mike77_linux | Another quick one: do I need to install a package to get copy-paste functionality? |
| 06:17.16 | trentbuck | Mike77_linux: No. X11 has cut buffers (clipboards) internally. |
| 06:17.28 | trentbuck | Mike77_linux: however, the cut / paste bindings differ between programs. |
| 06:17.55 | trentbuck | Mike77_linux: e.g. in xterm, left-mouse select does copy, middle-click does paste. |
| 06:18.16 | Mike77_linux | hmm, didn't know that one. |
| 06:18.50 | bbrazil | all X has is a flag saying which app has info if someone wants to paste. anything beyond those keybindings you gave is application specific (i.e. not X11) |
| 06:20.10 | Mike77 | Mike77_linux: (test) |
| 06:20.11 | bbrazil | although I just disproved that |
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| 06:21.09 | notie | anyone else having trouble with their usb fondue pot? |
| 06:21.43 | trentbuck | notie: fondue? |
| 06:21.47 | bltzfsck | what's the apt-uninstall command? |
| 06:21.54 | notie | trentbuck, yes |
| 06:22.09 | streuner | bltzfsck: man apt-get |
| 06:22.10 | bytecolor | apt-get remove package_name |
| 06:22.12 | trentbuck | notie: What kind of melted cheese needs a computer? |
| 06:22.22 | bltzfsck | thx |
| 06:22.30 | notie | trentbuck, i take it you don't have one |
| 06:22.38 | trentbuck | notie: correct |
| 06:22.52 | Mike77_linux | Curiosity: do you actually type the name before the colons or does your IRC client do it automatically? |
| 06:22.57 | trentbuck | notie: You ssh from work and tell it to start warming up the cheese? :-) |
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| 06:23.10 | notie | you could i guess |
| 06:23.17 | bltzfsck | i can't get it to work, so i guess i'll try to compile it myself |
| 06:23.19 | notie | it's just a usb powered fondue pot |
| 06:23.31 | trentbuck | notie: Oh, I see. |
| 06:23.33 | doleyb | Mike77_linux: you type Mik<tab> |
| 06:23.34 | bytecolor | Mike77, you mean tab-complete? |
| 06:23.36 | trentbuck | notie: So it can't get power? |
| 06:23.47 | Mike77_linux | doleyb, test |
| 06:23.49 | streuner | bltzfsck: what you are talking about? |
| 06:24.07 | notie | trentbuck, it gets power, but doesn't seem to maintain a constant temperature |
| 06:24.08 | Mike77_linux | I see. I can use TAB here too. |
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| 06:24.34 | doleyb | Mike77_linux, for a huge channel like this, you will often get mismatches though. |
| 06:24.36 | streuner | bltzfsck: there is NO need to compile anything in debian, binaries are fine. |
| 06:24.37 | trentbuck | notie: I think that's a little esoteric for me ;-) |
| 06:24.46 | bytecolor | Mike77, same as in bash (which comes in mucho handy when navigating your file system) |
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| 06:25.17 | Quag7 | I just, dumbly, deleted the /etc/exim directory. I need to reinstall exim, along with the default config files, but when I do apt-get install --reinstall, or remove and then install, it does not re-create/re-install the default configs. Is there a way to get the config files back? |
| 06:25.20 | Mike77_linux | cool! |
| 06:25.59 | notie | trentbuck, :( |
| 06:26.13 | trentbuck | Quag7: dpkg-reconfigure exim4? |
| 06:26.40 | Quag7 | Tried that, it just goes back to the prompt, and does nothing (presumably because the config files are completely gone..but maybe for some other reason) |
| 06:26.46 | Quag7 | No error or anything. |
| 06:26.48 | bbrazil | Quag7: purge it first |
| 06:26.52 | Quag7 | Not even a flash of the blue curses screen |
| 06:26.52 | streuner | bltzfsck: sounds you need a certain package for xine |
| 06:26.57 | Quag7 | bbrazil: Will do that now |
| 06:27.08 | dodgyville | thanks |
| 06:27.11 | trentbuck | Quag7: dpkg -P exim4 && apt-get install exim4 |
| 06:27.13 | streuner | bltzfsck: the package xine is ok... |
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| 06:28.03 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys css |
| 06:28.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'css' by key (13): epocssh ;; css ;; css flash killer ;; ericsson ;; decss ;; decss song ;; xine css plugin ;; cssc ;; xine-dvd-css ;; xine css ;; libcss ;; libdvdcss ;; csstable in dns. |
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| 06:28.15 | Quag7 | OK, did the purge, did an install, and still no config directory, and dpkg-reconfigure does the same thing. |
| 06:28.21 | streuner | dpkg, libdvdcss |
| 06:28.21 | dpkg | To get libdvdcss, follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/; or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 06:28.36 | streuner | bltzfsck: ^^^ - try that |
| 06:28.46 | notie | i keep trying 'apt-get fondue' but it isn't working |
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| 06:30.09 | popeye | does anyone here who uses gnome have trouble with new icon themes such as etiquette? I can install them (manually, by untaring the theme into ~/.icons) but the desktop doesn't use the icons :( |
| 06:30.46 | notie | popeye, no one uses gnome anymore |
| 06:30.49 | popeye | lol |
| 06:30.50 | notie | you must have missed the memo |
| 06:30.52 | popeye | is that so |
| 06:31.03 | popeye | they must have all moved to jewbuntu |
| 06:31.41 | jeff00o | does anyone have some help for me..im tyring to play quake 1 under linux |
| 06:32.01 | popeye | i aint afraid of no quake |
| 06:32.20 | streuner | !anyone |
| 06:32.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 06:32.21 | notie | popeye, no, everyone is using window managers and not bloatware now |
| 06:32.23 | Mike77_linux | trentbuck, I tried adding the Option ZAxisMapping but it does not work. Any idea why? |
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| 06:33.06 | popeye | notie since the apps I use all use gnome libraries I dont see how using gnome itself really adds a lot of bloat |
| 06:33.12 | popeye | besides I have a 2.2 ghz machine |
| 06:33.20 | notie | popeye, that is immaterial |
| 06:33.25 | Quag7 | exim4-config - configuration for the exim MTA (v4) |
| 06:33.27 | Quag7 | I bet thats the problem |
| 06:33.35 | notie | popeye, you sound like you may be a windoze refugee |
| 06:33.54 | popeye | notie I have been using linux for 3 years |
| 06:34.00 | popeye | I forgot how to use windows |
| 06:34.13 | notie | popeye, obviously not if you need something like gnome |
| 06:34.17 | ^Trixy | popeye, easy, swear at it and reboot. |
| 06:34.23 | popeye | lol i tried that already |
| 06:34.35 | Quag7 | You're seriously going to have a debate about minimalist windows managers vs. Gnome/KDE? |
| 06:34.37 | ^Trixy | popeye, sometimes I sacrifice a chicken on the keyboard and that seems to work for a few hours |
| 06:34.42 | Quag7 | Let's debate the GPL and Richard Stallman vs. BSD. |
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| 06:34.52 | notie | Quag7, let's |
| 06:34.54 | popeye | notie is attempting to troll |
| 06:34.55 | popeye | badly |
| 06:35.06 | bytecolor | vim or emacs! |
| 06:35.10 | notie | popeye, no, i'm pointing out that gnme is disgusting |
| 06:35.15 | Quag7 | Yes, vim or emacs, excellent |
| 06:35.17 | notie | bytecolor, everyone knows vi is the only true editor |
| 06:35.22 | Quag7 | Apple ][ vs Commodore 64 |
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| 06:35.27 | notie | vim is a disgusting interloper |
| 06:35.28 | bytecolor | heh |
| 06:35.28 | trentbuck | What provides rpc.mountd? |
| 06:35.34 | Quag7 | portmapper I think |
| 06:35.54 | streuner | trantbuck: why do you ask? |
| 06:36.12 | trentbuck | streuner: mount is complaining that it's not registered with portmap |
| 06:36.17 | Quag7 | Hooray, I got my exim configuration back |
| 06:36.26 | trentbuck | streuner: when trying to mount an NFS share. |
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| 06:36.44 | notie | oh, now we need an exim, qmail, postfix, sendmail discussion |
| 06:36.50 | streuner | trantbuck: show us the output in #flood |
| 06:37.00 | nagual | notie: dont forget exchange. :( |
| 06:37.15 | notie | nagual, lol |
| 06:37.19 | ^Trixy | gnome is better than kde |
| 06:37.22 | bytecolor | are there and good apple][ emulators for linux? |
| 06:37.25 | ^Trixy | apt, start a UI war |
| 06:37.27 | notie | nagual, you might as well use gnome |
| 06:37.30 | nagual | explorer.exe is better than gnome or kde! |
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| 06:37.32 | ^Trixy | ~ start a UI war |
| 06:37.34 | trentbuck | streuner: only one line: "mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
| 06:37.38 | notie | ^Trixy, they are as bad as each other |
| 06:37.39 | ^Trixy | hm doesn't work these days? |
| 06:37.47 | notie | ^Trixy, tools for windows refugees |
| 06:37.52 | d0ugie | with apache on a machine with maybe an 800mhz chip that's getting hammered to serve many connections at once, is it possible for the whole thing to panic and not respond to my remote pings or anything? i was under the impression that a server could be pounded hard and all that would happen is people get their webpages slower ... |
| 06:38.12 | ^Trixy | notie, nah gnome is good for what it does. KDE is too complicated |
| 06:38.17 | popeye | i agree with that |
| 06:38.19 | streuner | trantbuck: sarge on both boxes? |
| 06:38.26 | dondelelcaro | d0ugie: it shouldn't ever stop responding to pings |
| 06:38.30 | trentbuck | streuner: yep. |
| 06:38.33 | ^Trixy | notie, gnome is for your grandmother's net install in 20 minutes, don't break anything and it will work for 10 years |
| 06:38.34 | eeyore- | trentbuck: forgetting to start basic nfs services (portmap, nfs-common) |
| 06:38.39 | trentbuck | streuner: Aah. It's in nfs-kernel-server. |
| 06:38.43 | nagual | d0ugie: duplex/connection problems? poor hardware? too little ram? etc etc etc |
| 06:39.03 | notie | ^Trixy, my grandmother uses fluxbox-devel |
| 06:39.13 | Mike77_linux | how many of you come from windoze? |
| 06:39.22 | eeyore- | d0ugie: could be swapping pretty hard |
| 06:39.24 | ^Trixy | notie, your grandmother uses my toothbrush |
| 06:39.26 | streuner | trantbuck: and you have nfs-kernel-server installed on both boxes? |
| 06:39.31 | ^Trixy | I am on windows right now |
| 06:39.39 | trentbuck | streuner: I'm pulling it onto the client now... |
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| 06:39.51 | notie | ^Trixy, she is a loose bitch, that much is true |
| 06:40.03 | eeyore- | Mike77_linux: "come from"? still use/admin it :-p |
| 06:40.06 | pureone_ | i tryed to install windows yesterday but it wont work well with my pc it just crashes on install i think im just goner stick to debian on that box |
| 06:40.08 | d0ugie | well it could only push out 50KB/s anyway, you'd think that that cap would keep it safely alive even with a lot of simultaneous connections.. I've been running it remotely, trying to diagnose the problem after the fact .. happened when traffic got very heavy |
| 06:40.42 | dondelelcaro | d0ugie: it's possible that you found a kernel bug. Happens occasionally |
| 06:40.46 | Mike77_linux | eeyore-, my english still suxs :) |
| 06:40.51 | dondelelcaro | d0ugie: either that, or the hardware started to fail |
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| 06:42.06 | d0ugie | donde: so after I can get someone to reboot it, should i examine /var/log/messages to figure out what's up? maybe edit the apache conf to handle fewer connections at once? This is the second time this has happened and both times were with very heavy traffic. Running 2.4 |
| 06:42.48 | dondelelcaro | d0ugie: no, you'd havea to actually be looking at the screen when it happened... because you would have triggered a panic() and at that moment, the kernel won't be able to write to the filesystem any more |
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| 06:42.59 | d0ugie | true |
| 06:43.00 | dondelelcaro | d0ugie: so it outputs some debugging information. |
| 06:43.22 | eeyore- | d0ugie: php? |
| 06:43.31 | d0ugie | yeah, running gallery |
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| 06:43.43 | d0ugie | 1300 files with people wgetting left and right |
| 06:43.45 | eeyore- | d0ugie: might want to limit resource usage in php |
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| 06:44.27 | d0ugie | eeyore: should I also turn off host lookups on apache, or would that not be a culprit? |
| 06:44.46 | eeyore- | d0ugie: nah, i'd concentrate on swap / resources |
| 06:44.56 | Mike77_linux | Does this look like a good list to migrate from windoze to linux? http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml |
| 06:45.11 | eeyore- | d0ugie: what kind of chip (and what driver) is the NIC? |
| 06:45.12 | nagual | d0ugie: of course you should make apache not resolve ips to hostnames. |
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| 06:45.33 | timmeh | quick question how can i change server time? |
| 06:45.41 | d0ugie | nagual: i thought that was to make it run faster, didn't know it could endager it |
| 06:45.45 | nagual | timmeh: rdate |
| 06:45.49 | timmeh | thnx |
| 06:45.50 | nagual | timmeh: or just use date |
| 06:46.14 | nagual | d0ugie: no, it needs to check with your dns, its time/recourse consuming |
| 06:46.17 | simonrvn | aren't running your server on UTC? ;) |
| 06:46.34 | eeyore- | d0ugie: host looking doesn't endanger anything. why should it? |
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| 06:46.46 | d0ugie | eeyore: not sure, your typical no-name card |
| 06:46.48 | simonrvn | and some stuff needs it on IIRC |
| 06:47.15 | nagual | d0ugie: you probably want a good nic in there |
| 06:47.56 | d0ugie | well i kind of like seeing hosts instead of ips in the logs and it's going plenty fast so as long as that is not something that could crash a box i'm happy with it on |
| 06:48.05 | timmeh | nagual after date what do i type to cahgne the clock? |
| 06:48.17 | nagual | timmeh: you find that out by typing 'man date' |
| 06:48.23 | timmeh | thnx |
| 06:48.33 | timmeh | awsome |
| 06:48.45 | nagual | you dindt know about the man system timmeh ? |
| 06:48.46 | d0ugie | nagual: actually it's one of those motherboard embedded jobs with a jack near the audio jacks |
| 06:49.02 | _DAB_ | Hello! :) |
| 06:49.04 | nagual | d0ugie: buy a proper nic :) (i recommend intel) |
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| 06:49.07 | Quag7 | One thing that could conserve some host lookups is just to run those lookups on any reports you run; this way you're not doing lookups for every dupe IP that hits your server (unless Apache somehow caches these lookups; I really don't know) |
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| 06:49.11 | _DAB_ | I have an interesting problem... |
| 06:49.23 | _DAB_ | I can not get midi enabled when I start Linux. |
| 06:49.31 | _DAB_ | I have placed a script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 06:49.39 | _DAB_ | it is named asfxload |
| 06:49.51 | _DAB_ | I have allso made the Runlevel configuration so it is called in /etc/rc5.d/ |
| 06:50.03 | _DAB_ | At boot up it runs the script, but when I log in midi don't work. |
| 06:50.08 | simonrvn | put it in rc2 |
| 06:50.23 | _DAB_ | aha? |
| 06:50.34 | _DAB_ | whats the differens? |
| 06:50.57 | nagual | rc2 is the default runlevel of debian :) |
| 06:51.02 | _DAB_ | oki! |
| 06:51.03 | simonrvn | won't get run in rc5. defaulr runlevel is 2 |
| 06:51.06 | nagual | and 5 is shutdown iirc :) |
| 06:51.07 | _DAB_ | nagual: thx :) |
| 06:51.09 | simonrvn | default* |
| 06:51.13 | nagual | you should thank simonrvn |
| 06:51.20 | nagual | _DAB_: just use rcconf |
| 06:51.29 | _DAB_ | but when I start debian...it loads the script |
| 06:51.35 | _DAB_ | *looks like it does* |
| 06:51.52 | _DAB_ | Yeah...i use rcconf |
| 06:51.52 | simonrvn | 6 is reboot. 0 is halt |
| 06:51.57 | _DAB_ | ok |
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| 06:52.04 | nagual | whats 5? |
| 06:52.08 | CharlesBrown | Anyone know a good gui front end, or something like wget...that I can use to easily get all the jpegs from a website..it will crawl the website and look/download |
| 06:52.15 | d0ugie | nagual: so it's possible for nics to freak out when the tcpip gets a little too wild, even if the bandwidth is under 50KBs? just having too many open connections could do it? |
| 06:52.18 | simonrvn | same as 2 |
| 06:52.24 | simonrvn | defaults anyway |
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| 06:52.34 | nagual | d0ugie: poor quality nics eat more resources than high quality ones. |
| 06:52.37 | _DAB_ | ill try nr 2 |
| 06:52.39 | notie | CharlesBrown, pure porn? |
| 06:52.39 | _DAB_ | :) |
| 06:52.47 | simonrvn | 3-5 are left up to the admin to do as s/he pleases |
| 06:53.30 | nagual | thanks |
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| 06:54.15 | wax | what's the easiest way to update an already installed application, in this case ardour? |
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| 06:55.54 | nagual | wax: make sure your apt sources are correct, then you can do either apt-get install <programname> or read the apt howto to find out how ( you should do this iether way ) to keep your system up to date |
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| 06:59.23 | Quag7 | Has pine been removed even from non-free ? |
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| 07:02.25 | dan2 | Quag7: I think it has |
| 07:02.29 | dan2 | but that doesn't stop me from using it ;) |
| 07:03.03 | neo50 | hi guys |
| 07:03.15 | neo50 | can I ask a question |
| 07:03.29 | shingouz | !ask |
| 07:03.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 07:03.52 | Quag7 | I should just force people to use mutt already |
| 07:03.54 | Quag7 | This is dumb |
| 07:04.10 | Quag7 | I have these friends who went to college when I did, in like 1991, and they're all addicted to pine |
| 07:05.18 | shingouz | Quag7: maybe they should get detoxed? ;) |
| 07:05.44 | d0ugie | elm was badass |
| 07:06.14 | Quag7 | Doesn't mutt have some kind of pine emulation |
| 07:06.15 | Quag7 | hm |
| 07:06.20 | drini | no |
| 07:06.25 | drini | why would it? |
| 07:06.31 | dondelelcaro | Quag7: it has pine keybindings... but pine's bindings are garbage. |
| 07:06.37 | jazzmans | Odgtpo Otn |
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| 07:06.43 | drini | aalthough yo ucan set the editor mutt uses to be nano |
| 07:06.50 | drini | and then it's like editing in pine |
| 07:07.18 | jazzmans | motherfuck. |
| 07:07.28 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: you know of any mail clients that can actually take use of server side sorting and thereading |
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| 07:07.32 | dan2 | threading |
| 07:08.12 | dondelelcaro | dan2: server side threading? |
| 07:08.13 | dondelelcaro | dan2: threading is just a function of References: and In-Reply-To:... |
| 07:08.13 | Quag7 | I am thinking the better thing to do is to force people to use mutt and get used to the 21st century. I am hell bent, red shifted, emitting quarks like an electric yak in a proton collider and I'm not gonna take any guff from anyone. Not over this, not over NIXON, not for ANYTHING. |
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| 07:08.29 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: certain imap servers support it |
| 07:08.34 | neo50 | ok |
| 07:08.35 | dondelelcaro | Quag7: well, you could always make a "pine" that called mutt with specific options |
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| 07:08.48 | dan2 | pine is so much better/faster than mutt |
| 07:08.49 | neo50 | do you know from which ftp |
| 07:09.00 | neo50 | can i download kde 3.4 |
| 07:09.01 | neo50 | for |
| 07:09.05 | neo50 | debian sarge |
| 07:09.07 | dondelelcaro | dan2: we already had this conversation earlier... no need to rehash it again. |
| 07:09.12 | neo50 | adding to my source list |
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| 07:09.14 | dan2 | mutt tries to download all the imap at one time, pine just downloads them as you read them |
| 07:09.22 | Quag7 | I don't care, I'm a big dumb idiot who uses bloatware; I have no need for console-based e-mail so my own preferences aren't driving this. |
| 07:09.39 | Quag7 | hrm |
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| 07:09.54 | neo50 | because I visited kde.org |
| 07:10.05 | neo50 | and there where 2 ftps |
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| 07:10.14 | neo50 | I added them |
| 07:10.34 | dan2 | Quag7: console mail clients are nice |
| 07:10.36 | Quag7 | Wonder if there are pine .debs out on the net somewhere |
| 07:10.42 | bbrazil | neo50: did you do apt-get update? |
| 07:10.46 | neo50 | but both of them didin't work |
| 07:12.06 | dan2 | Quag7: pine publishes them on their site |
| 07:12.17 | Quag7 | If I had need for a console mail client I'd settle on one. I just never have any need to check mail remotely. Not now anyway. At some point maybe. But for now I have a big GUI screen with tons of visual effects, high resolution wallpaper, that lights up like Christmas lights. |
| 07:12.24 | dan2 | Quag7: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine_4.62_i386.deb |
| 07:12.29 | Quag7 | What a novel place to check, the website :) |
| 07:12.31 | Quag7 | Thanks dan |
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| 07:12.40 | neo50 | ok |
| 07:12.46 | neo50 | yes |
| 07:12.51 | neo50 | I did it |
| 07:13.00 | neo50 | also apt-get upgrade |
| 07:13.25 | kingsley | Does putting ext3's journal on a different disk improve performance? |
| 07:13.34 | markc | does debian use xorg ? |
| 07:13.42 | streuner | no |
| 07:13.57 | simonrvn | markc: /topic |
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| 07:15.12 | markc | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.16 | markc | oops |
| 07:15.39 | Quag7 | dan: Thanks, got pine installed :) |
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| 07:16.48 | markc | what does this mean ? -> Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs |
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| 07:17.03 | sussudio | !sing sunday |
| 07:17.03 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 07:17.12 | streuner | markc: /msg dpkg xorg |
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| 07:17.18 | shingouz | !tell markc about get xorg |
| 07:17.20 | streuner | markc: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 07:17.27 | amahbod | i have a java question if anyone feels like answering it |
| 07:17.28 | amahbod | :) |
| 07:17.31 | sussudio | no. |
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| 07:17.36 | amahbod | i tried to get into #java |
| 07:17.38 | amahbod | wouldnt let me |
| 07:17.42 | amahbod | said i have to be "identified" |
| 07:17.48 | sussudio | so do. |
| 07:17.50 | markc | I've done that but it's not clear what - > Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs, means ? |
| 07:17.53 | sussudio | we hate java. |
| 07:17.54 | markc | ask who / |
| 07:17.58 | markc | ask who ? |
| 07:18.06 | amahbod | sussudio, how do i identify myself? |
| 07:18.07 | shingouz | markc: dpkg |
| 07:18.12 | streuner | amahbod: /msg nickserv hellp |
| 07:18.16 | streuner | amahbod: /msg nickserv help |
| 07:18.17 | shingouz | markc: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 07:18.20 | atrus | markc: its telling your to '/msg dpkg get xorg' to get the 'get xorg' blurb |
| 07:18.35 | markc | streuner> ah, plain english, thanks |
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| 07:25.24 | foppalive | I have a question about trying to make something into a module using menuconf. Specifically, I need CRC32 Functions (under library routines) in some fashion, I'd like to make it a module. But instead of a < > to drop a nice little M into, I have - - -, which I can't do anything with. I need it to get my wireless card working. Can anyone help? |
| 07:25.32 | simonrvn | @ops M-A-D-O-N-N- bot is back |
| 07:25.40 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: M-A-D-O-N-N- bot is back |
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| 07:26.14 | CharlesBrown | !remove firefox |
| 07:26.30 | cat | interesting |
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| 07:32.07 | Luser | Hello, can I use dpkg-reconfigure-something to reconfigure the network settings I set during installation with D-i3? |
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| 07:32.42 | bob2` | no |
| 07:32.48 | bob2` | etherconf is a similar thing, tho |
| 07:32.55 | bob2` | or you can just edit /etc/network/interfaces directly |
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| 07:35.07 | markc | heh, I just built a debian unstable livecd on a gentoo amd64 box, and it booted! |
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| 07:35.38 | msbhaven_ | im on pretty much a default debian install trying to install a new kernel, ive got the kernel to build but now i cant seem to find grub.conf anywere (using grub) you can run grub but im just wondering how to configure grub to use the new bootimage as one of its options, any ideas? |
| 07:35.58 | msbhaven_ | oh- kernel is built |
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| 07:37.07 | bob2` | you don't need to configure it, assuming you used make-kpkg |
| 07:37.08 | markc | msbhaven_> kernel (cd)/boot/vmlinuz .. etc but change the path to your new kernel |
| 07:37.14 | bob2` | if you didn't, you have to fuck around more |
| 07:37.21 | bob2` | ie edit /boot/grub/menu.lst or so |
| 07:38.35 | cat | i wonder how can someone memorize a book |
| 07:39.03 | markc | cp book /dev/brain |
| 07:39.13 | cat | i wish it was that easy |
| 07:39.15 | cat | (: |
| 07:39.35 | ApTek | markc: I sure hope it is firewire and not usb1.1 |
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| 07:40.17 | msbhaven_ | ahh /boot/grub/menu.lst, good call markc |
| 07:40.24 | msbhaven_ | never heard it called that |
| 07:40.25 | msbhaven_ | but cool |
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| 07:42.41 | msbhaven_ | what should initrd be? |
| 07:42.46 | msbhaven_ | same as the other one? |
| 07:43.29 | markc | do an ls -ltr and see what is the latest one in /boot |
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| 07:44.34 | bob2` | nope, doesn't work like that |
| 07:44.40 | bob2` | msbhaven_: did you make an initrd? |
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| 07:45.29 | foppalive | so i'm really new at this, have a question about menuconf- trying to make something into a module but it seems disabled or something, anything i can do? |
| 07:45.43 | bob2` | foppalive: you need to enable it's dependencies |
| 07:45.48 | peterS | foppalive: maybe tell us what module |
| 07:45.48 | bob2` | there's no easy way to find them |
| 07:45.53 | bob2` | the documentation might help |
| 07:45.55 | foppalive | module is crc32 |
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| 07:46.11 | peterS | foppalive: why do you think you need crc32? |
| 07:46.27 | _DAB_ | hello :) |
| 07:46.30 | markc | foppalive> try asking for experimental modules at the top of menuconfig |
| 07:46.34 | msbhaven_ | bob2' hmm not sure- how would one go about making an initrd? is this just a grub thing or does lilo use this as well? (srry used to lilo :) ) |
| 07:46.39 | foppalive | i'm trying to convince my wireless card to work, and a nice little howto told me i needed it |
| 07:46.41 | peterS | markc: uh, no. crc32 isn't experimental |
| 07:46.53 | _DAB_ | I have placed a script in /etc/rc2.d that should enable support for MIDI |
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| 07:47.04 | bob2` | msbhaven_: no, it's a kernel thing |
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| 07:47.07 | peterS | foppalive: crc32 is probably already forced on by some other network driver you have |
| 07:47.10 | bob2` | _DAB_: no, that's not how it works |
| 07:47.14 | _DAB_ | no? |
| 07:47.23 | bob2` | _DAB_: put it in /etc/init.d/ and add a symlink from /etc/rc2.d to it |
| 07:47.32 | simonrvn | /etc/init.d/ symlink in /etc/rc2.d |
| 07:47.36 | peterS | foppalive: you can tell for sure with 'grep CRC32 .config' |
| 07:47.45 | _DAB_ | yeah....sorry....I have done that... |
| 07:47.46 | foppalive | when i do a modprobe -l | grep crc32.ko nothing shows |
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| 07:47.55 | _DAB_ | I used rcconf |
| 07:48.01 | bob2` | msbhaven_: if you don't know what it is, then you need to build your kernel carefully and make sure you have everything essential built in (ie root filesystem driver, IDE driver) |
| 07:48.02 | _DAB_ | to get it in init2 |
| 07:48.11 | bob2` | msbhaven_: and then you need to NOT tell the kernel to use an initrd |
| 07:48.34 | _DAB_ | the script works if I click it manualy |
| 07:48.38 | peterS | foppalive: it may be compiled into your kernel already |
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| 07:49.04 | _DAB_ | bob2`: and it looks like the script loads at start up |
| 07:49.07 | shingouz | rcconf? that sounds like something a bit redhattish to me |
| 07:49.10 | foppalive | peterS: how could i find that out? in menuconfig it doesn't show it as <*>, it shows me the --- |
| 07:49.12 | kaz_ | how do you execute fstab without rebooting? |
| 07:49.15 | ^Trixy | n00b question coming. Not for the squeamish |
| 07:49.19 | _DAB_ | but I do not get midi to work |
| 07:49.20 | peterS | foppalive: I just told you how |
| 07:49.22 | peterS | foppalive: you ignored me |
| 07:49.37 | ^Trixy | what file do I create/edit to configure my Aterm look? |
| 07:49.47 | peterS | ^Trixy: ~/.Xresources |
| 07:49.47 | foppalive | peterS: where is the .config file i need to grep on? i'm sorry, i'm pretty new to all this |
| 07:49.54 | ^Trixy | thanks peterS |
| 07:49.58 | _DAB_ | bob2`: the script looks like this: |
| 07:50.00 | _DAB_ | #! /bin/sh |
| 07:50.00 | _DAB_ | if [ -x /usr/bin/asfxload ] |
| 07:50.00 | _DAB_ | then |
| 07:50.00 | _DAB_ | echo "Loading sound font 8MBGMSFX.SF2" |
| 07:50.00 | _DAB_ | /usr/bin/asfxload /etc/init.d/8MBGBSFX.SF2 & |
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| 07:50.04 | peterS | ^Trixy: lines like: Aterm.geometry: 80x40 |
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| 07:50.15 | msbhaven_ | bob2' ahh, i think i understand, i have to make sure i have everything then in make menuconfig somewhere there may be an option to _not_ use an initrd? |
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| 07:50.22 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:50.31 | peterS | foppalive: if you are building your own kernel, you should know very well where your .config file is |
| 07:50.32 | _DAB_ | bob2`: could you se any problem with the script? |
| 07:50.46 | bob2` | msbhaven_: the default is to not use it, just make sure you have all that stuff configured in |
| 07:50.48 | ^Trixy | peterS, should I already have an Xresources file? |
| 07:50.50 | bob2` | _DAB_: no idea, the bot kicked you |
| 07:50.54 | _DAB_ | aha |
| 07:51.01 | bob2` | _DAB_: presumably you based it on /etc/init.d/skeleton, tho |
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| 07:51.02 | _DAB_ | ill go in private... |
| 07:51.03 | peterS | ^Trixy: quite possibly you don't. user accounts don't get one by default on debian |
| 07:51.07 | ^Trixy | thanks |
| 07:51.08 | bob2` | _DAB_: no, I'll ignore that |
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| 07:51.26 | _DAB_ | :( |
| 07:51.27 | peterS | ^Trixy: anyway, that's the format of the file. Aterm.attribute: value |
| 07:51.30 | bob2` | _DAB_: copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/midi or whatever |
| 07:51.30 | markc | msbhaven_> if you have everything you think you need compiled into the kernel then you simply leave out the "initrd /boot/initrd" line in menu.lst... and lose the init=/linurc on the kernel line |
| 07:51.38 | bob2` | _DAB_: then add your stuff to the start) block |
| 07:51.46 | foppalive | peterS: i'm not building my own kernel... i'm just under the impression that i need that module for my wireless card, and when i do a modprobe -l | crc32.ko it doesn't show up |
| 07:51.55 | _DAB_ | bob2`: thx |
| 07:52.02 | foppalive | peterS: er, there's a grep in there before crc32.ko |
| 07:52.20 | peterS | foppalive: debian kernels include the crc32 module. since yours doesn't, I assume you aren't using a debian kernel. ergo, I assume you're building your own |
| 07:52.27 | shingouz | foppalive: try grepping for crc32 (without the .ko) |
| 07:52.34 | msbhaven_ | bob2' ahh cool- im about to try it now :), just one quick q about grub is savedefault mean the one that defaulted to if you dont select in time? |
| 07:52.48 | bob2` | msbhaven_: I don't know, sorry |
| 07:52.52 | peterS | foppalive: the fact that you're running 'make menuconfig' confirms my suspicions |
| 07:53.02 | bob2` | I use distro kernels, so I've never actually edited the grub config |
| 07:53.49 | simonrvn | msbhaven_: info grub |
| 07:53.54 | foppalive | peterS: i'm just following a detailed howto to get my wireless card to work, i don't actually know how to do this |
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| 07:54.26 | sao | hi all |
| 07:54.31 | foppalive | shingouz: i have crc32c, could that be the same, or close enough? |
| 07:54.34 | peterS | foppalive: if you're playing things you don't in the least understand, like for example building your own kernel without realising that you're building your own kernel, I can't really justify trying to help |
| 07:54.41 | sao | can someone help me with an alsa problem ? (i think) ? |
| 07:54.41 | shingouz | foppalive: i guess that is it |
| 07:54.42 | peterS | foppalive: crc32c is not the same as crc32, no |
| 07:54.53 | shingouz | ah crc32c... sorry |
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| 07:54.59 | bob2` | sao: way better to just ask |
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| 07:55.23 | peterS | both modules exist in debian kernels |
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| 07:55.27 | peterS | he's clearly not using a debian kernel |
| 07:55.46 | Luser | I've installed and setup a Debian server, and hooked it up to the gateway (It's located under ORANGE). I can ping it from GREEN, and I can ping it from the gateway. From the server I can ping the gateway and green. Yet I can't access the Internet. |
| 07:55.49 | bob2` | foppalive: you're buliding ipw2100, I take it? |
| 07:55.51 | foppalive | peterS: it's new netinst of sarge. is that likely my problem? |
| 07:55.56 | bob2` | foppalive: you really don't need to build your own kernel for that |
| 07:56.10 | d0ugie | does there exist an affordable device that I could somehow instruct remotely to cut off and turn on power to my computer somehow? |
| 07:56.12 | foppalive | bob2: ipw2100 is exactly right |
| 07:56.19 | msbhaven_ | simonrvn yeah seems info grub just gives info on the grub command though, the shell i think not to sure, but its pretty much just command line options |
| 07:56.23 | bob2` | Luser: "GREEN" and "ORANGE" sound like you're describing some sort of web-based firewall thing |
| 07:56.24 | sao | i made an own kernel but now xmms and some video players (xine mplayer etc.) dont play sound i hear sound under gnome (sound theme) but xmms doesnt find an alsa card plus under kde i can choose arts output under xmms and then i hear music |
| 07:56.29 | bob2` | Luser: maybe you should mention which? |
| 07:56.29 | ^Trixy | peterS, I created a .Xresources file in my home directory, but when I restart Aterm it still looks bland and blah and black on white, even though I didAterm.background:Black and stuff |
| 07:56.38 | Luser | bob2`, yep. IPCop 1.4.5 |
| 07:56.41 | bob2` | foppalive: what does "uname -r" print out atm? |
| 07:56.46 | bob2` | Luser: so, you're not using Debian... |
| 07:56.48 | bob2` | Luser: try #ipcop |
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| 07:56.55 | peterS | ^Trixy: I should have mentioned. to make changes in .Xresources take effect, you have to reload it: xrdb -merge .Xresources |
| 07:57.00 | foppalive | bob2: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 07:57.01 | Luser | I am, it's the Debian machine that I'm having trouble with. |
| 07:57.02 | peterS | ^Trixy: this is done automatically at session startup, I believe |
| 07:57.06 | ^Trixy | thanks |
| 07:57.13 | Luser | But I'll ask in IPCop |
| 07:57.23 | bob2` | Luser: oh |
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| 07:58.00 | ^Trixy | peterS, thanks, it works now |
| 07:58.09 | peterS | ^Trixy: cool |
| 07:58.22 | shingouz | d0ugie: what do you mean ? |
| 07:58.44 | valdyn_ | Luser: your default route is set ? to what? |
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| 07:59.11 | peterS | ^Trixy: I take it you're reading the aterm manpage? found the section called "RESOURCES"? that's where the .Xresources stuff is all documented |
| 07:59.40 | sao | can someone help with alsa problem ? |
| 08:00.00 | ^Trixy | I was reading the aterm manpages and I was making edits to .Xdefaults instead of .Xresources actually |
| 08:00.00 | shingouz | sao: not unless you tell us what the problem is |
| 08:00.01 | valdyn_ | !tell sao about ask |
| 08:00.05 | bob2` | sao: you don't seem to have asked your question yet |
| 08:00.09 | sao | i made an own kernel but now xmms and some video players (xine mplayer etc.) dont play sound i hear sound under gnome (sound theme) but xmms doesnt find an alsa card plus under kde i can choose arts output under xmms and then i hear music |
| 08:00.17 | ^Trixy | peterS, thanks for the pointer |
| 08:00.36 | sao | i already asked, but no answers |
| 08:00.39 | bob2` | sao: why do you want to compile your own kernel at all? |
| 08:00.43 | peterS | ^Trixy: ahh (: the filename only matters in terms of what the debian X session automatically feeds into 'xrdb -merge' when you log in |
| 08:00.46 | sao | i made it already man |
| 08:00.52 | valdyn_ | sao: kill esd or have esd use alsa's hw / sw mixer via libesd-alsa0 |
| 08:00.58 | bob2` | foppalive: just install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 and build the ipw2100 module |
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| 08:01.08 | sao | didnt install esd i think |
| 08:01.08 | bob2` | foppalive: tho I'm pretty sure the ipw2100 stuff is packaged in Debian already |
| 08:01.14 | ^Trixy | peterS, I don't have to use fugly terminals or slow gterm and eterm anymore :)\ |
| 08:01.27 | foppalive | bob2: ok, i'll try that. thank you. |
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| 08:01.39 | valdyn_ | sao: you installed gnome you said -> you have esd |
| 08:01.40 | peterS | ^Trixy: heh. I switched from aterm to xterm recently because as it turns out, I don't use any of aterm's features that aren't in xterm |
| 08:01.44 | shingouz | sao: also the xmms and the video players may be misconfigured |
| 08:01.55 | sao | no i didnt change a thing |
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| 08:02.28 | sao | i think problem isnt kernel driver of this intel chip (notebook) |
| 08:02.41 | sao | driver is compiled in kernel |
| 08:02.43 | valdyn_ | sao: isnt? |
| 08:02.47 | foppalive | bob2: what exactly do i need to do to build the ipw2100 module? sorry that i'm new. |
| 08:02.47 | sao | but only arts works |
| 08:02.50 | sao | not alsa alone |
| 08:02.58 | valdyn_ | sao: bullshit |
| 08:03.02 | laxise | i have a problem ... i found my old notebook and i wanna install a linux OS onto it |
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| 08:03.15 | sao | you mean libesd helps ? |
| 08:03.21 | sao | it isnt installed |
| 08:03.28 | valdyn_ | sao: did you kill your esd yet? |
| 08:03.32 | ^Trixy | laxise, that sounds like it isn't a problem so much as a fun thing to do |
| 08:03.53 | valdyn_ | sao: so you dont have gnome installed.. |
| 08:04.00 | laxise | first problem: the disk of the notebook has only 115 MB second problem: the notebook has no CD-rom drive |
| 08:04.10 | sao | iam working under it so i thing gtk is here baby |
| 08:04.19 | laxise | Trixy: what do you think now??? |
| 08:04.22 | valdyn_ | sao: gnome depends on esd |
| 08:04.24 | bob2` | laxise: put the disk in another machine |
| 08:04.33 | bob2` | laxise: since it presumably has a tiny amount of ram, too |
| 08:04.46 | shingouz | laxise: uh... the disk is *real* small.. what cpu does the computer have |
| 08:04.59 | sao | but esd is only sound enlightmend daemon right, needs libesd-alsa package to solve alsa yep ? |
| 08:05.02 | laxise | its an 486DX |
| 08:05.02 | kaplanfx | is it safe to install python2.4 on sid or will it break debian? |
| 08:05.03 | Luser | valdyn_, Its IP is set to 192.168.2.254. Its gateway is to 192.168.2.1 (IPCop), and it has a genmask of 0.0.0.0 (which I don't quite understand, so I'm reading up on now) |
| 08:05.22 | laxise | so its kind of old |
| 08:05.31 | shingouz | laxise: how much ram and do you have a NIC for it? |
| 08:05.31 | valdyn_ | Luser: route add default gw 192.168.2.1 |
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| 08:05.42 | muDos | hello |
| 08:05.55 | muDos | i got a question about my external harddisk 120 gig |
| 08:05.56 | laxise | i would first need an linux os that would be small enough |
| 08:06.08 | muDos | i tried to use a recovery software on it |
| 08:06.21 | muDos | and during hours it scanned the disk and it was becoming really hot |
| 08:06.33 | muDos | i read on a website that you shouldnt go after 55-60 degree |
| 08:06.36 | valdyn_ | Luser: looks ok what you said, though pasting the route i would be safer |
| 08:06.38 | shingouz | laxise: debian can be installed on small computers too.. lets see how much ram you have on the laptop |
| 08:06.46 | muDos | i would like to know if my disk could have been damaged |
| 08:06.59 | valdyn_ | sao: aplay /usr/share/sounds/some.wav |
| 08:07.08 | laxise | shingouz: how to find out how much ram the book has in MS-DOS??? |
| 08:07.36 | shingouz | laxise: i think it was "mem" |
| 08:07.38 | sao | w8 man thx for helping me, i installed this libesd-alsa package now, needs gnome a restart to work with it ? |
| 08:07.51 | laxise | shingouz: ill try wait |
| 08:08.08 | foppalive | bob2: i think i found the ipw2100 module and should be in okay shape. thanks for your help |
| 08:08.09 | valdyn_ | sao: i didnt say that instsalling libesd-alsa0 would fix this |
| 08:08.28 | sao | omfg damn what now ? i only do now what you say |
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| 08:08.40 | valdyn_ | sao: aplay /usr/share/sounds/some.wav |
| 08:08.41 | bob2` | foppalive: ipw2100-source is the package you want |
| 08:08.48 | CharlesBrown | debian/sarge is fucking awesome |
| 08:08.48 | CharlesBrown | lol |
| 08:09.00 | CharlesBrown | I can basically apt-get install anyopensourceprojectnamehere |
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| 08:09.10 | sao | command not found, shall i apt-get install aplay ? |
| 08:09.11 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: yeap |
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| 08:09.40 | CharlesBrown | This is so much better then fedora |
| 08:09.41 | CharlesBrown | lol |
| 08:09.45 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: yeap |
| 08:09.48 | CharlesBrown | What was I thinking all these years |
| 08:09.51 | CharlesBrown | If I only knew. |
| 08:09.52 | CharlesBrown | lol |
| 08:10.00 | CharlesBrown | I could have saved 3 years of my life. |
| 08:10.13 | valdyn_ | !find usr/bin/aplay |
| 08:10.15 | laxise | shingouz: so i think it has 4MB ram |
| 08:10.21 | nagual | thinking an os would save 3 years of your life is rather pathetic imho :) |
| 08:10.22 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: Ease of use and maintenance is the price you pay for not having an X installer with clicky pointy shit. |
| 08:10.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/bin/aplay' (1): (/usr/bin/{aplay|aplaymidi}) in sound/alsa-utils. |
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| 08:10.26 | CharlesBrown | Fedora has like maybe 50 packages that are allowed in the official repositories. |
| 08:10.30 | shingouz | laxise: ouch. tiny |
| 08:10.34 | laxise | shingouz: small enough hugh???? |
| 08:10.35 | sao | he didnt found it |
| 08:10.36 | valdyn_ | sao: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 08:10.36 | laxise | :) |
| 08:10.36 | CharlesBrown | sarge has like every worthy open source project. |
| 08:10.43 | CharlesBrown | It's insane lol |
| 08:10.49 | Calin_ | =] |
| 08:11.00 | laxise | shingouz: so what to do??? |
| 08:11.01 | cafuego | CharlesBrown: have you added the 'contrib' and 'non-free' repositories yet? |
| 08:11.02 | shingouz | laxise: this is going to be real tricky then. do you have a NIC for the laptop? |
| 08:11.07 | CharlesBrown | yea |
| 08:11.08 | CharlesBrown | lol |
| 08:11.09 | brake | hello everyone! |
| 08:11.44 | laxise | shingouz: what is a NIC??? |
| 08:11.51 | cat | !nic |
| 08:11.51 | dpkg | nic is probably (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 08:11.58 | shingouz | thanks cat :) |
| 08:12.01 | sao | hmmm i installed utils, run aplay command you wrote again, seems like he is playing (no curser blinking ;.-) but cant hear sound ;-((( |
| 08:12.06 | nagual | laxise: use more ? please. |
| 08:12.25 | valdyn_ | sao: so unmute your sound and turn up volume |
| 08:12.30 | cafuego | sao: Turn the volume up with aslamixer |
| 08:12.34 | Gnea | laxise: [N]etwork [I]nterface [C]ard |
| 08:12.45 | Gnea | oh |
| 08:13.29 | laxise | shingouz: ah .... ok we have another name for NIC but that doesnt matter ... no NIC |
| 08:13.45 | sao | i already got that one in my bar, not working, even not alsamixer shell tool with ncurses isnt it ? |
| 08:13.51 | shingouz | laxise: and no cdrom.. this is going to be *real* tricky then :) |
| 08:14.01 | laxise | shingouz: yes :) |
| 08:14.08 | sao | its not muted (i know that one from gentoo i came to sarge) |
| 08:14.12 | valdyn_ | laxise: 4mb ram? did you say that really? |
| 08:14.22 | shingouz | laxise: your best bet would be to put the hd into a desktop and install there |
| 08:14.49 | shingouz | valdyn_: it can be done. it is not going to be pretty but it can be done |
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| 08:15.22 | shingouz | laxise: if possible, get more ram and a bigger hd for the laptop while you're at it. the nic would be neat too |
| 08:15.22 | laxise | shingouz: try to take shingouz: what about over an printer connection? |
| 08:15.30 | cafuego | !rube goldberg install |
| 08:15.30 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 08:15.37 | shingouz | laxise: that is possible too |
| 08:16.10 | sao | what now, valdyn ? |
| 08:16.14 | cafuego | You have a 486 with 4MB ram you want to put Debian on? |
| 08:16.28 | valdyn_ | sao: check cabling and volume again, cant really be something else |
| 08:16.30 | shingouz | (doable, painful but doable) |
| 08:16.39 | laxise | shingouz: ok i try something .... but since the disk was formated now there could be some kind of problem with the setting up of the connection with an printer cable |
| 08:16.43 | sao | i think there damn small linux or tiny linux suits better ;-) |
| 08:16.55 | sao | i already did |
| 08:16.57 | nailbiter | shingouz: can you get your hands on a USB memory key? or an external USB floppy, perhaps? |
| 08:16.58 | cafuego | sao: No, slink would be fine. |
| 08:17.00 | sao | valdyn |
| 08:17.09 | valdyn_ | sao: check /proc/asound/, you may have more soundcard(s) |
| 08:17.11 | ^Trixy | just get a laptop hdd to desktop IDE converter and install the filesystem straight-up, then pull a switcheroo laxise |
| 08:17.16 | shingouz | nailbiter: on a 486 laptop? you kidding me, right? |
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| 08:17.26 | cafuego | Just a matter of not trying to use a 2.4 or newer kernel. |
| 08:17.37 | nailbiter | shingouz: oh dear. *cue theme from mission impossible* |
| 08:17.45 | shingouz | i was thinking about slink, then maybe some dist-upgrades if need be |
| 08:17.46 | sao | this is my output |
| 08:17.47 | sao | sven@moon:/proc/asound$ dir |
| 08:17.47 | sao | card0 cards ICH5 modules pcm timers |
| 08:17.47 | sao | card1 devices Modem oss seq version |
| 08:17.47 | sao | sven@moon:/proc/asound$ |
| 08:17.48 | ^Trixy | it's not that crazy a thing to do |
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| 08:17.59 | Gnea | cafuego: ah thank you, i needed that |
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| 08:18.24 | valdyn_ | sao: that makes 2 soundcards |
| 08:18.24 | shingouz | nailbiter: linux on a 4Mb ram/115MB hd laptop is not impossible. very painful but not impossible |
| 08:18.26 | cafuego | Have you considered using it as a paperweight instead? |
| 08:18.42 | ^Trixy | my handheld pc is faster than that |
| 08:18.47 | valdyn_ | sao: aplay -l |
| 08:18.48 | cafuego | shingouz: hey, we used to run Linux on 4Mb 486es at uni. with *X* |
| 08:18.49 | nailbiter | shingouz: well, if you can find a laplink-style parallel cable (or a null-modem serial cable), you might just be able to get debian installed. but it'll still require assistance from a second computer with linux already on it |
| 08:19.01 | cafuego | Compiling a kernel took a while, though. |
| 08:19.19 | shingouz | laxise: heard what nailbiter just said? |
| 08:19.20 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 08:19.33 | Gnea | "go make a pizza or something" |
| 08:19.50 | nailbiter | cafuego: our X terminals at university were mostly black-and-white and had a whopping 2MB of RAM .. |
| 08:19.58 | cafuego | Gnea: More like "set to compile before going to sleep and hope to god there are no gcc bugs" |
| 08:20.23 | hail04 | hi there folks, I come with a problem...I added my own apt-get sources at one stage and it was not compatable with my Debian install, so when I got a package it messed up somewhere and didnt want to finish. Now when I try to apt-get I get asked to apt-get -f install which also generates an error similar to this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/6h4flW59.html . I dont know what to do...apart from that I havent really had any problems and its b |
| 08:20.28 | cafuego | Gnea: "coz if there ARE bugs you'll be trying again tomorrow night after fixing the source" |
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| 08:20.36 | shingouz | i usually do the compiles on a faster box, then just scp the new kernel inplace |
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| 08:20.40 | Gnea | cafuego: or "set to compile and go to work" |
| 08:20.48 | simonrvn | cafuego: sounds like some days i've had... |
| 08:21.00 | cafuego | Then this guy got a dual PPro166 with 32Mb ram and *EVERYONE* wanted a shell. |
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| 08:21.11 | Gnea | lol |
| 08:21.12 | sao | sry |
| 08:21.29 | sao | so valdyn may i message you for not being kicked again ;-? |
| 08:21.32 | msbhaven_ | im not really able to get online (no x, except for links :) ) but does anyone know exactly at what point make mrproper comes in on a 2.4.x compile, i cant quite remember like after make dep? or after make menuconfig? im actually not even sure what make mrproper is but i remember that its needed i think |
| 08:21.42 | valdyn_ | sao: no, paste in #flood |
| 08:21.48 | valdyn_ | !tell sao about paste |
| 08:21.49 | slugbug | heh, my main server is a 180 MHz P54C with 64M of RAM |
| 08:22.00 | shingouz | laxise: is there any way you could get a bit more ram and hd for the laptop? getting up even to 8MB would help a lot, hd over 500MB is almost heaven compared to the 115M drive you have |
| 08:22.02 | Gnea | msbhaven_: mrproper basically cleans everything up |
| 08:22.05 | cafuego | msbhaven_: Just run a 'make clean' before you compile a new kernel. no 'mrproper' needed. |
| 08:22.25 | shingouz | cafuego: not make-kpkg clean? |
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| 08:22.34 | sao | how to write that #flood (text) ? |
| 08:22.47 | cafuego | slugbug: I'm fed up with using underpowered machines. Even the slowest box has more then 64M *VRAM* now ;-) |
| 08:22.52 | valdyn_ | sao: /j #flood and paste there |
| 08:22.55 | shingouz | sao /join #flood |
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| 08:23.06 | cafuego | shingouz: If he used that, he wouldn't be wondering about 'make mrproper' |
| 08:23.11 | sao | card0 cards ICH5 modules pcm timers |
| 08:23.11 | sao | card1 devices Modem oss seq version |
| 08:23.11 | sao | sven@moon:/proc/asound$ |
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| 08:23.16 | mrawenec | good morning |
| 08:23.16 | slugbug | slugbug: it helps that I don't use it for much except an NFS/web server |
| 08:23.17 | shingouz | cafuego: uh. true |
| 08:23.20 | hail04 | not in here sao |
| 08:23.30 | hail04 | #flood or use a nopaste service |
| 08:23.31 | msbhaven_ | cafuego, Gnea- ah k cool- i did make clean, make dep, make menuconfig, make, make modules, make modules_install then copied the image to /boot and edited menu.lst- did i forget any thing obvious? |
| 08:23.35 | sao | sr |
| 08:23.37 | sao | y |
| 08:23.51 | hail04 | just helping you so you dont get removed |
| 08:23.57 | valdyn_ | sao: aplay -l |
| 08:23.58 | cafuego | msbhaven_: I normally copy System.map and config as well. |
| 08:24.15 | slugbug | yeah, it helps to back up your .config |
| 08:24.24 | cafuego | msbhaven_: I suggest you install 'kernel-package' and check the docs on that. makes life FAR easier. |
| 08:24.34 | hail04 | hi there folks, I come with a problem...I added my own apt-get sources at one stage and it was not compatable with my Debian install, so when I got a package it messed up somewhere and didnt want to finish. Now when I try to apt-get I get asked to apt-get -f install which also generates an error similar to this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/6h4flW59.html . I dont know what to do...apart from that I havent really had any problems and its b |
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| 08:25.08 | bob2` | why is it always newbies who try to install broken packages? |
| 08:25.12 | sao | is this floor channel for pasting things ? |
| 08:25.22 | hail04 | flood channel is for pasting stuff yes |
| 08:25.46 | hail04 | newbies who try to install broken packages would be bagging out me for asking the question eh? |
| 08:25.51 | sao | sry i didnt want to make trouble in here guys ;-( |
| 08:26.16 | bob2` | hail04: no |
| 08:26.30 | bob2` | hail04: I guess it's just an anthropic things, where when non-newbies do it, they don't need to ask for help to fix it ;) |
| 08:26.32 | valdyn_ | sao: your volume is still _not_ unmuted i bet, "aplay -D hw:0,0 some.wav ught to give sound, but thats the default device alredy |
| 08:26.49 | bob2` | !+info fastforward woody |
| 08:26.50 | msbhaven_ | cafuego: apt-get install kernel-package cant find the package, any tips? |
| 08:26.51 | dpkg | Package 'fastforward' does not exist. |
| 08:26.53 | hail04 | heh |
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| 08:26.58 | doleyb | hail04: you try apt-get -f remove fastforward |
| 08:26.58 | candc540 | ok i'm lost |
| 08:26.59 | bob2` | hail04: remove fastforward, it's broken |
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| 08:27.15 | candc540 | can't figure out how to load a daemon at boot and how to run an app at boot |
| 08:27.15 | sao | if i write that command he hangs and waits for whatever |
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| 08:27.29 | sao | w8 |
| 08:27.38 | bob2` | candc540: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 08:27.39 | candc540 | read through the crontab man pages and makes no sense to me at all |
| 08:27.39 | hail04 | I didnt try because I havent really had problems with packages and didnt know I could do that....I have been using linux for a bit..just learning more as I go I do say |
| 08:28.01 | bob2` | hail04: you have to remove it before apt will work again |
| 08:28.05 | sao | i think under xmms he played with the hw 0,4 device (xmms analyzer was looking like he plays but i didnt hear) |
| 08:28.08 | bob2` | hail04: also, why did you install sendmail? |
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| 08:28.38 | sao | is the problem that i got two ich5 sound devices ? |
| 08:28.39 | valdyn_ | sao: aplay -D hw:0,4 some.wav |
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| 08:28.45 | candc540 | bob2: huh? |
| 08:28.50 | candc540 | still makes no sense sorry |
| 08:28.57 | bob2` | candc540: ? |
| 08:29.01 | trentbuck | I just rebooted my new Sarge install and the /dev/md devices are gone :-( |
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| 08:29.01 | bob2` | candc540: type that into your IRC client |
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| 08:29.13 | bob2` | trentbuck: root-on-software-raid is not easy |
| 08:29.14 | sao | damn i dont got a wavfile |
| 08:29.31 | hail04 | ok im getting the same kind of thing |
| 08:29.33 | hail04 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/8yh6sy73.html |
| 08:29.34 | candc540 | did read it and still lost |
| 08:29.37 | trentbuck | bob2`: Not the root partition, just /home |
| 08:29.48 | sao | i use diskwriter output of xmms |
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| 08:29.50 | trend | hello |
| 08:29.51 | bob2` | candc540: awww |
| 08:29.52 | sao | to get one ;-) |
| 08:29.52 | candc540 | bob2`:sorry i'm new to this whole linux thing |
| 08:29.59 | hail04 | cant install, cant remove but it wants it |
| 08:30.06 | hail04 | to install/uninstall |
| 08:30.09 | bob2` | candc540: this is where ou say "$blah is confusing", then someone explains $blah to you |
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| 08:30.12 | hail04 | hence im lost |
| 08:30.20 | bob2` | hail04: get rid of qmail, too |
| 08:30.24 | cahoot | valdyn_: /proc/asound/pcm would tell what device to use for output |
| 08:30.27 | bob2` | hail04: why did you try to install qmail AND sendmail? |
| 08:30.37 | bob2` | a) you can't have 2 MTA's installed |
| 08:30.41 | hail04 | I forgot I had sendmail installed |
| 08:30.42 | bob2` | b) they're both terrible choices anyway |
| 08:30.45 | valdyn_ | cahoot: same as aplay -l |
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| 08:30.51 | hail04 | cant remove qmail |
| 08:30.54 | hail04 | it wasnt finished |
| 08:30.58 | bob2` | oh lord |
| 08:31.00 | hail04 | because of a broken package I think |
| 08:31.15 | hail04 | I might sink the boat |
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| 08:31.21 | hail04 | quicker |
| 08:31.22 | simonrvn | oh fuck |
| 08:31.42 | sao | valdyn see my paste pls |
| 08:32.03 | bob2` | see |
| 08:32.03 | hail04 | and btw on the topic bob2`, if they are terrible choices whats your suggestion? |
| 08:32.07 | bob2` | neither are installed by default |
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| 08:32.13 | bob2` | hail04: postfix or exim |
| 08:32.22 | trend | dude.. i cannot find sftp daemon for debian |
| 08:32.24 | trend | can someone help me out |
| 08:32.35 | valdyn_ | sao: did you hear sound? |
| 08:32.40 | doleyb | trend: sshd will provide that |
| 08:32.42 | sao | no he just waits |
| 08:32.49 | shingouz | trend: did you apt-cache search for it? |
| 08:32.52 | trend | yeah |
| 08:32.58 | sao | and i tried already what he wanted (plug switch) |
| 08:33.01 | sao | see paste |
| 08:33.06 | trend | i have sshd installed.. but don't see sftp-server |
| 08:33.14 | hail04 | there isnt going to be an easy way to "fix" this stuffup aye? |
| 08:33.25 | bob2` | trend: it's in the ssh package |
| 08:33.31 | bob2` | hail04: purge qmail and fastward and sendmail |
| 08:33.42 | doleyb | trend: the sshd daemon provides sftp connections |
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| 08:34.01 | doleyb | trend: sftp is just a special cut-down view of an ssh connection |
| 08:34.20 | doleyb | trend: if you want to allow users to sftp but not login via ssh, then run sshd + rssh |
| 08:34.41 | peterS | doleyb: sort of. it doesn't run a shell, like other ssh connections do |
| 08:34.50 | trend | ahhh hok |
| 08:34.52 | trend | i see now |
| 08:34.55 | trend | so it just uses port 22 |
| 08:34.55 | peterS | doleyb: scp runs a shell, but sftp doesn't. thus the user's shell need not be valid |
| 08:34.56 | trend | nice |
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| 08:35.25 | trend | doleyb i run sshd + rssh after i su into the username? |
| 08:35.31 | jeff00o | how can i tell which version of alsa i have? |
| 08:35.47 | doleyb | trend: no, if you want to allow users to copy files, but not login and run programs, set them to rssh in /etc/passwd |
| 08:35.50 | nagual | !find usr/sbin/newaliases |
| 08:35.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/sbin/newaliases' (1): (/usr/sbin/newaliases) in mail/courier-mta,mail/ssmtp,mail/smail,mail/sendmail-bin. |
| 08:36.16 | peterS | nagual: why are you looking for newaliases? that's part of most MTAs |
| 08:36.20 | doleyb | trend: but if you only want to allow sftp, and dno't care about disallowing other things, ignore rssh |
| 08:36.25 | peterS | nagual: if an MTA doesn't provide one, it probably doesn't need it |
| 08:36.40 | nagual | peterS: if you give me 10$ i will tell you :) |
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| 08:37.05 | peterS | nagual: I won't give you $10. I was hoping to answer whatever question you actually had where you thought you might need to know what package had newaliases in it |
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| 08:37.16 | peterS | nagual: but if you're gonna be that way then I won't probe any further. sorry for trying to be helpful |
| 08:37.17 | nagual | actually someone is asking about it on another chan, im just curious as to what packages contains it, since apt wants to remove it when he tries to remove mysql |
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| 08:37.31 | nagual | peterS: its just humour :) |
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| 08:37.37 | jeff00o | how do i get snd-pcm-oss |
| 08:37.40 | trend | doleyb what do you mean set them to rssh in /etc/passd ? |
| 08:37.52 | trentbuck | I fixed the md problem. apt-get --purge remove udev. |
| 08:37.53 | trend | like manually edit it and change their shell to that or somethign |
| 08:37.56 | peterS | jeff00o: if you're using alsa modules, you already have it |
| 08:38.04 | peterS | jeff00o: if you aren't, you don't need it |
| 08:38.08 | jeff00o | ooh |
| 08:38.09 | streuner | jeff00o: what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 08:38.22 | jeff00o | Linux b0x 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:29:52 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:38.27 | trentbuck | Anyone know how to make udev play nice with mdadm? |
| 08:38.28 | jeff00o | im trying to get quakeforge to use sound |
| 08:38.42 | peterS | Anyone know how to make udev play nice? |
| 08:38.54 | shingouz | !udev |
| 08:38.56 | hail04 | still not getting anywhere...might be quicker for me to sink this one and do a cleanie |
| 08:38.57 | dpkg | i guess udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 08:39.13 | msbhaven_ | anyone ever got a "unsupported or incompatible executable format" error when they tried to boot a new kernel? |
| 08:39.13 | doleyb | trend: you can replace bash with rssh, if you like. |
| 08:39.33 | doleyb | trend: only do that if you want people to scp/sftp you files, but don't trust them much. |
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| 08:39.45 | hail04 | it doesnt majorly affect anything if I was to go fresh...I was just trying to get around having do it heh |
| 08:40.02 | trend | ok.. so like: root:x:0:0:root:/root:rssh |
| 08:40.14 | streuner | trentbuck: apt-get remove udev |
| 08:40.24 | trend | sorry.. i am finally getting back into linux |
| 08:40.27 | trend | it has been a year or 2 |
| 08:40.28 | doleyb | hail04: did you try apt-get -f remove qmail fastfoward sendmail |
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| 08:41.29 | hail04 | yes and it complains about dependancies like it was and tells me to apt-get -f install |
| 08:41.32 | hail04 | so its one big loop |
| 08:41.39 | LaVey | mornin all |
| 08:41.48 | hail04 | hi LaVey |
| 08:42.05 | doleyb | hail04: if it complains about a depend, repeat the command, adding those packages to the commandline too. |
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| 08:42.27 | LaVey | can someone tell me how i get my new install on my lappy to display 1024, currently only goes up to 800x600 on desktop manager |
| 08:42.38 | LaVey | is there an oiption i can set ? |
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| 08:42.59 | trograin | How the hell to I get my users to be able to read y ntfs drives allso.I have been adding my ntfs drives (3 off them) in /etc/fstab. But the options I am using only lets the root to read the drives but not the users. What should I put on the command line in Fstab to get the users the abbility to read the ntfs drives allso?? |
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| 08:43.27 | streuner | LaVey: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
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| 08:43.36 | bob2` | trograin: umask=002 in the options field |
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| 08:43.55 | cg0def | how do I recompile alsa without breaking anything in apt? |
| 08:44.04 | bob2` | "recompile"? |
| 08:44.05 | bob2` | why? |
| 08:44.06 | LaVey | «streuner» will give that a go... thx |
| 08:44.10 | cg0def | one of the drivers is missing and I need it |
| 08:44.20 | bob2` | cg0def: "missing"? |
| 08:44.27 | cg0def | indigodj |
| 08:44.45 | sao | carmack is god |
| 08:44.53 | cg0def | yeah you have to enable is specifically if you want it to be there but it wasn't when the package was buit |
| 08:44.55 | streuner | LaVey: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 08:44.57 | cg0def | built |
| 08:45.24 | doleyb | hail04: also, you can remove all related packages with dpkg -r, instead of apt-get. You can some how remove the ones making the problem. |
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| 08:46.21 | Hacaro | what's the name of the file where gcc compile options for the system are defined? |
| 08:46.34 | doleyb | Hacaro: do you think this is gentoo? |
| 08:46.52 | Hacaro | nope |
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| 08:47.20 | doleyb | Hacaro: there is no reason to think a debian system even has gcc. |
| 08:47.23 | hail04 | doleyb it is not getting anywhere....one wants the other and the other is broken so it loops...im just gunna copy the directories of interest and sink the broken ship |
| 08:47.53 | Hacaro | but I have been unable to find a debian package for fuse-j and I have to compile it |
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| 08:48.24 | doleyb | Hacaro: that's a kernel patch, so do you mean the kernel source/makefile? |
| 08:48.41 | Hacaro | yep |
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| 08:49.50 | doleyb | Hacaro: install "kernel-source-2.6.8", or whatever version you're using. |
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| 08:50.22 | candc540 | is there a way to make gdm login automatically? |
| 08:50.38 | doleyb | candc540: yes, it has a timer-option in the gdm setup |
| 08:50.38 | valdyn_ | candc540: hard to find in its gui? |
| 08:50.44 | valdyn_ | candc540: you should be able to |
| 08:50.53 | candc540 | i'll look |
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| 08:51.51 | candc540 | found it thanks |
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| 08:52.06 | boukensya | hey guys. When I try to add my printer to cups it doesn't give me the option to set the device to lp0. At first I realised that lp support was not enabled in the kernel, so I fixed that. but it still won't let me add from the lp port |
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| 08:53.48 | jagerman | what the hell? |
| 08:53.52 | jagerman | irssi is all fucked |
| 08:54.05 | jagerman | oops |
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| 08:54.42 | gvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.57 | Hacaro | I get errors while compiling fuse-j and gcc tells me to try do copile with the flag -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS |
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| 08:59.32 | darkness | Hey i can only acces the web if if alter a file in /etc/resolv.conf with a script.Any ideas how i can save this script so i don't have to type it in everytime i boot into deb? |
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| 08:59.54 | candc540 | ok now that i think i figured out loading at boo |
| 09:00.05 | candc540 | how do i get something to run after x loads? |
| 09:00.54 | C17H21NO4 | I want to use madwifi for my cisco card because the airo-cs modules suck, and ndiswrapper...I just can't do it. So my question is, how do I prevent kmod/discover/hotplug from loading the airo-cs module? |
| 09:01.04 | cg0def | anybody know how to use the alsa-source pkg? |
| 09:01.47 | bob2` | cg0def: it has no instructions? |
| 09:01.55 | bob2` | cg0def: also, it's not useful with a 2.6 kernel |
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| 09:02.09 | bob2` | C17H21NO4: you need to pick one or the other (ndiswrapper or madwifi) |
| 09:02.18 | bob2` | darkness: best to explain why and what it does |
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| 09:02.27 | cg0def | bob2`: can't find instructions and also how is not useful with 2.6 |
| 09:02.39 | streuner | cg0def: as bob2 already said, read the instructions from that package |
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| 09:02.59 | streuner | cg0def: cd /usr/share/doc/package/ |
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| 09:03.27 | C17H21NO4 | bob2`: I have, madwifi. I want to know how to prevent airo-cs from loading |
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| 09:03.47 | bob2` | cg0def: 2.6 includes ALSA |
| 09:03.57 | cg0def | yeah but not every driver |
| 09:04.00 | bob2` | C17H21NO4: how is it being loaded? |
| 09:04.06 | bob2` | C17H21NO4: they all should be |
| 09:04.08 | bob2` | bah |
| 09:04.11 | cg0def | so I NEED to compile it :( |
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| 09:04.15 | bob2` | too many stupid number nicknames |
| 09:04.50 | streuner | cg0def: what soundcard do you use, audigy? |
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| 09:05.06 | cg0def | no indigodj |
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| 09:06.07 | streuner | tell us the full output of 'lspci -v | grep audio' |
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| 09:06.27 | C17H21NO4 | bob2`: From what I understand, 16 bit cards are not handled by hotplug, so either kmod or discover. |
| 09:06.47 | boukensya | is there any more spots in the kernel that I need to check besides device driver - Paralel port to get my paralel printer working? |
| 09:06.58 | streuner | cg0def: 'lspci -v | grep audio' |
| 09:07.07 | bob2` | C17H21NO4: if by "16-bit" you mean "ISA", yeah, afaik |
| 09:07.17 | bob2` | C17H21NO4: if you have hotplug installed, I'd just remove discover |
| 09:07.20 | cg0def | how's that gonna help you when this is a pcmcia card? |
| 09:07.24 | cg0def | won't show anything |
| 09:07.24 | bob2` | haha |
| 09:07.30 | streuner | heh |
| 09:07.37 | cg0def | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 Audio (rev a2) |
| 09:07.42 | cg0def | no indigo |
| 09:07.45 | cg0def | happy? |
| 09:07.58 | cg0def | it is plugged in though |
| 09:08.04 | cg0def | also the module is missing |
| 09:08.05 | C17H21NO4 | bob2`: So if I remove discover, the modules will not load? |
| 09:08.14 | cg0def | so I can't load it even manually:( |
| 09:08.21 | bob2` | C17H21NO4: I'd think so |
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| 09:10.13 | streuner | cg0def: did you use d-i? |
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| 09:10.32 | boukensya | if I cat it then it says: cat: /dev/lp0: No such device or address |
| 09:10.34 | cg0def | streuner: no not sure what d-i is |
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| 09:10.39 | nessuno | hi |
| 09:10.47 | streuner | !d-i |
| 09:10.47 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 09:11.05 | cg0def | oh no this is an old installation |
| 09:11.56 | streuner | what do you use, woody? |
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| 09:12.07 | cg0def | nm I do use sarge |
| 09:12.13 | cg0def | I wasn't reading |
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| 09:12.56 | streuner | cg0def: uname -a |
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| 09:13.47 | cg0def | I am not exactly sure why the sound card doesn't show up in lspci but the thing is that even if it did the alsa package from apt is missing the driver for it |
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| 09:14.19 | candc540 | is there an easy way to launch an app after x loads? |
| 09:14.32 | peterS | cg0def: what sort of sound card? motherboard chip? |
| 09:14.34 | cg0def | streuner: Linux debian 2.6.10-1-k7 #1 Fri Mar 11 03:13:32 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:14.38 | streuner | edit .xsession, candc540 |
| 09:14.40 | C17H21NO4 | candc540: Load the app, logout and check save session |
| 09:14.47 | cg0def | peterS: echo indigo dj |
| 09:14.58 | cg0def | and yes it is supported by alsa |
| 09:15.07 | streuner | <cg0def> 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 Audio (rev a2) |
| 09:15.13 | peterS | cg0def: wait, you said it didn't appear in lspci output |
| 09:15.20 | candc540 | streuner: if i edit the .xsession file wont x close after the app is closed? |
| 09:15.34 | cg0def | yeah I have and onboard one and the pcmcia (which does not show up) |
| 09:15.47 | streuner | candc540: no |
| 09:15.53 | peterS | cg0def: old (16-bit) pcmcia, or 32-bit cardbus? |
| 09:16.03 | cg0def | the nvidia one works fine with intel8x0 |
| 09:16.06 | cg0def | 32bit |
| 09:16.07 | candc540 | where is that files |
| 09:16.09 | peterS | cg0def: 16-bit pcmcia cards won't show up in lspci, cardbus cards will |
| 09:16.12 | candc540 | can't find it anywhere |
| 09:16.30 | peterS | cg0def: but cardbus only works if your cardbus bridge driver is loaded. 'yenta' is one common bridge |
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| 09:16.47 | streuner | candc540: /home/user/.xsession |
| 09:16.49 | peterS | cg0def: well, 'yenta_socket' I guess the module is called |
| 09:16.58 | cg0def | peterS: not sure if yenta is loaded but it should be |
| 09:17.01 | cg0def | let me check |
| 09:17.03 | candc540 | i only have .xsession-errors |
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| 09:17.23 | streuner | candc540: touch /home/user/.xsession |
| 09:17.27 | cg0def | peterS: yes it is |
| 09:17.33 | streuner | candc540: and edit it for your needs |
| 09:17.45 | candc540 | have to make it executable right? |
| 09:17.46 | peterS | cg0def: and yet 'lspci' does not show your cardbus device? |
| 09:18.04 | cg0def | yes |
| 09:18.16 | peterS | cg0def: I'm afraid I can't be of any further help - I don't own any pcmcia / cardbus equipment, so I have no recent experience with this stuff |
| 09:18.30 | cg0def | well that's not the problem |
| 09:18.33 | candc540 | so do i just type the name of the app i want to launch? |
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| 09:18.36 | streuner | candc540: no need for this, it just read the file... |
| 09:18.45 | cg0def | the problems is that I have to recompile alsa and I don't know how :) |
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| 09:19.50 | streuner | cg0def: what kind of laptop is that? |
| 09:20.01 | cg0def | asus a2k |
| 09:20.02 | candc540 | ok so just put in mythfronend and it will run? |
| 09:20.04 | streuner | candc540: /j #flood |
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| 09:20.52 | streuner | candc540: if its executable, yes. |
| 09:20.57 | cg0def | streuner: the laptop works fine it's things like external devices that really mess things up with linux |
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| 09:21.56 | PitchForkLinux | morning all, any partitioning gurus in here |
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| 09:22.13 | guorke | :) |
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| 09:22.37 | streuner | cg0def: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/asus.html |
| 09:23.21 | cg0def | yeah I've look at that site many times |
| 09:23.27 | streuner | cg0def: they usually have some tips to get things to work, might help |
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| 09:23.36 | cg0def | it's not a configuration option |
| 09:23.42 | cg0def | it's a bad pkg in apt |
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| 09:24.05 | PitchForkLinux | I'm working in the sarge installer with the raid and lvm modules loaded but can't seem to get raids and lvms to configure. evey time I think I have it the partition manager crashes when formating the partitions |
| 09:24.47 | PitchForkLinux | anyone familiar with the sarge installer partioning program |
| 09:25.09 | cg0def | streuner: this is what I get |
| 09:25.13 | streuner | cg0def: well, iam asking the second time, what problems do you have to install alsa-src package and read the instructions? |
| 09:25.29 | cg0def | modprobe indigodj |
| 09:25.29 | cg0def | FATAL: Module indigodj not found. |
| 09:25.41 | cg0def | no problems still going through the instructions |
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| 09:27.27 | enjoy | hi there... looking for a x11 recorder like fraps under windows, but for Unix. can someone help me ? :) |
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| 09:27.33 | streuner | modprobe snd-indigodj? |
| 09:27.58 | Erpo | Hello all. Is there an easy way to get java, specifically a working firefox plugin, on debian? |
| 09:27.59 | streuner | cg0def: ALSA modules start with 'snd' |
| 09:28.05 | streuner | s/start/starts/ |
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| 09:28.54 | Erpo | humbolt: Are you from Humboldt? |
| 09:29.04 | cg0def | yeah I know I copied the wrong lines |
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| 09:29.07 | cg0def | modprobe snd-indigodj |
| 09:29.07 | cg0def | FATAL: Module snd_indigodj not found. |
| 09:29.07 | cg0def | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_indigodj |
| 09:29.22 | humbolt | no |
| 09:29.23 | buerste | cant install wine with apt-get, added the repositories, but there is no installation candidate for wine. i used the howto for debian based distributions (got ubuntu) http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb |
| 09:29.26 | humbolt | not from humbolt |
| 09:29.30 | humbolt | dt |
| 09:29.46 | bob2` | buerste: Ubuntu questions are off-topic here, sorry |
| 09:29.46 | humbolt | do you know about rndc config? |
| 09:30.09 | buerste | well its debian based and wine should install the same way |
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| 09:30.27 | bob2` | buerste: no, sorry |
| 09:30.36 | buerste | =/ |
| 09:30.38 | walnuck | buerste, try vmware 5, just came out.. |
| 09:31.16 | walnuck | buerste, what'r you trying to run>? |
| 09:31.32 | buerste | warcraft 3.... |
| 09:32.00 | streuner | cg0def: did you compile the module yet? |
| 09:32.15 | cg0def | no it get's errors |
| 09:32.40 | walnuck | buerste, vmware 5.. really is the finest- release just last month.. has optimizations ->http://www.vmware.com - the workstation.. I've checked it out.. |
| 09:32.42 | walnuck | buerste, how much ram you have in your system? |
| 09:32.42 | streuner | cg0def: show us the output in #flood |
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| 09:33.48 | cg0def | ok it's there |
| 09:34.04 | walnuck | Erpo, java problems? |
| 09:34.21 | humbolt | how can I invoke a command by script from a machine X on machine Y? |
| 09:34.23 | buerste | kk |
| 09:34.25 | buerste | got 1024 mb ram |
| 09:34.27 | buerste | and a geforce 6600gt |
| 09:34.29 | buerste | well i tried cedega (timedemo) |
| 09:34.30 | buerste | but it lags hard |
| 09:34.37 | bob2` | humbolt: ssh |
| 09:34.46 | bob2` | ssh user@host command --blah --bleh foo.bar |
| 09:35.40 | streuner | cg0def: have you those kernel-headers installed? |
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| 09:36.06 | streuner | buerste: /topic |
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| 09:36.23 | cg0def | yeah they are installed but there seems to be some problem with the alsa-source pkg kernel 2.6 and fake root |
| 09:36.23 | humbolt | so I could use that to make my remote dns reload their rsynced config?! |
| 09:36.26 | porkpie | hi, what file do I need to edit to add a second dns server to my dhcp scope |
| 09:36.42 | walnuck | buerste, is that a dos program - i mean it runs from the dos shell? because i've been able to run dos-demos under dosemu, and dosbox.. |
| 09:36.42 | bob2` | humbolt: sure |
| 09:36.43 | cg0def | the documentation says that it probably won't work with the headers |
| 09:37.00 | streuner | porkpie: client? |
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| 09:37.14 | buerste | no it isnt, it even doesnt run under win95 |
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| 09:37.28 | porkpie | streuner:server |
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| 09:38.11 | walnuck | buerste, no it isn't what? if its anything from win3.1 - vmware suports optimizations this far...so you should kick it with vmware numero cinquo! |
| 09:38.13 | porkpie | streuner:I just want to add the second server in ...so the clients recieve it |
| 09:38.17 | streuner | cg0def: well, in order to run that you will need to install the headers |
| 09:38.25 | walnuck | buerste, (win3.1 is caca) |
| 09:38.38 | buerste | ur a vmware fantaic, arent you ? :) |
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| 09:38.44 | buerste | fanatic* |
| 09:39.02 | cg0def | streuner: the headers are installed |
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| 09:39.08 | bob2` | as awesome as hearing vmware marketing material in here, I think it's kinda off-topic |
| 09:39.13 | laxise | does anyone have an idea what kind of linux i could install onto a 125MB disk? :) |
| 09:39.20 | walnuck | buerste, no, but I'm going to convert windows->linux users tihs way, its extremly stable... check out all the features.. its very graphic oriented in the setup..not alike bochs.. |
| 09:39.22 | streuner | porkpie: i still don't unterstand, you need to add a second DNS-Server in your DHCP-Client configuration, right? |
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| 09:39.25 | maw | Is it possible to let :0 be on the monitor, while :1 is on the TV through TVOUT? |
| 09:39.38 | walnuck | buerste, but even bochs is very easy to use.. i like editing things with bravery.. |
| 09:39.42 | maw | and have two keyboards, one for each |
| 09:39.44 | bob2` | laxise: Debian |
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| 09:39.59 | walnuck | maw, yes, I believe so.. |
| 09:40.03 | streuner | cg0def: well, it doesn't find them... |
| 09:40.16 | laxise | bob2: Debian ok but where to download a version with only about 100MB from? |
| 09:40.31 | xophEr | Hi, my firefox browser crashes every time I try to enter a java-enabled web page. This problem started occuring after I upgraded firefox through apt-get (to the latest version) yesterday. What could I do? using sarge and JRE 1.5.0_01 |
| 09:40.36 | bob2` | laxise: the base system is only 80MB |
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| 09:40.57 | laxise | bob2: ok that would be fine ... but where to download it from??? |
| 09:41.07 | indigoid | good evening |
| 09:41.07 | walnuck | maw, the only thing is if the VTxx would conflict (i had tried this a few years ago, not sure if this was resolved..because this is a seldom setup).. |
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| 09:41.21 | laxise | bob2: i do not have Debian |
| 09:41.24 | maw | ok :( |
| 09:41.25 | indigoid | is there a debian-laptop faq anywhere? |
| 09:41.38 | bob2` | laxise: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 09:41.38 | indigoid | dpkg, laptop? |
| 09:41.39 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 09:41.49 | bob2` | laxise: you won't be able to install anything more than the base system, tho |
| 09:42.03 | laxise | bob2: thx very much ... doesnt matter |
| 09:42.40 | cg0def | streuner: yeah well the headers are all wrapped up in symbolic links and fore some reason everything fails |
| 09:43.10 | cg0def | I just tried compiling the modules with the source for 2.6.10 and it worked fine |
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| 09:43.34 | streuner | cg0def: any bug-report in kernelpackage? |
| 09:43.51 | buerste | walnuck: i won't pay money for linux stuff |
| 09:43.59 | walnuck | buerste, ? |
| 09:44.01 | cg0def | I don't think so |
| 09:44.15 | buerste | a test about it says vmware costs 300 bucks |
| 09:44.19 | streuner | cg0def: file a bug-report then |
| 09:44.29 | walnuck | buerste, you idiot I said the "workstation"... |
| 09:44.39 | bob2` | walnuck: a) language, b) enough vmware spiel |
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| 09:44.59 | walnuck | bob2`, he just can't read now can he,...ehh |
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| 09:45.06 | bob2` | walnuck: boohoo |
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| 09:45.33 | Pappa | vmware costs money? |
| 09:45.39 | streuner | sure |
| 09:45.45 | Huijari | yep |
| 09:45.50 | walnuck | oooo... 300 bucks is alot , hey if you want if for free ,I can still set it up for you for the 300 hundred...of course I've done it before.. |
| 09:45.51 | bob2` | and it's proprietary |
| 09:45.54 | cg0def | streuner: if this was gentoo an bugreport form a non developer might actually do something |
| 09:46.01 | walnuck | oooo...I'm a vmware killer! |
| 09:46.02 | bob2` | and you won't get support if it makes your kernel fuck up |
| 09:46.02 | Pappa | lol what a piece of shit software |
| 09:46.06 | cg0def | I'll do it anyway though |
| 09:46.12 | bob2` | walnuck: enough, thanks |
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| 09:46.28 | walnuck | bob2`, i'm just trying to be cooooool |
| 09:46.38 | bob2` | walnuck: and you're being anooooooooooooying |
| 09:46.42 | Pappa | well you're acting l8ike a retartd |
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| 09:47.42 | walnuck | bob2`, the thing is that testing controlled environments with other linux systems..it appears to be great.. simple matter- case closed.. (not just wincrap optimizations but now linux as well) |
| 09:48.00 | bob2` | walnuck: on linux you have chroots |
| 09:48.01 | bob2` | and UML |
| 09:48.03 | bob2` | and Xen |
| 09:48.10 | walnuck | bob2`, its free! wtf it costs money? |
| 09:48.14 | walnuck | nvrmind.. |
| 09:48.21 | bob2` | walnuck: ok, probably time to go |
| 09:48.28 | bob2` | or chill |
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| 09:48.55 | hellais | hi |
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| 09:49.55 | porkpie | can anyone tell me what file on the dhcp server I need to edit to add a dns server entry |
| 09:49.58 | porkpie | please |
| 09:50.03 | hellais | I am having a problem finding drivers for the rt2500 usb wireless adapther |
| 09:50.16 | hellais | can anyone help me? |
| 09:50.18 | bob2` | porkpie: same place you edit everything else for the dhcp server |
| 09:50.23 | bob2` | porkpie: /etc/dhcp3/blah |
| 09:50.57 | porkpie | ok thanks bob2 ...I didn't set the server up in the first place |
| 09:51.28 | walnuck | sorry for the earlier drag..gotta go, seeya all later.. |
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| 09:52.27 | hellais | anyone got any idea on how to make the rt2500 usb chipset work under linux |
| 09:52.28 | hellais | ? |
| 09:52.33 | miko | hellais: ndis-wrapper |
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| 09:52.42 | hellais | I'm under ppc |
| 09:52.44 | hellais | :( |
| 09:53.03 | bob2` | take it back |
| 09:53.09 | bob2` | and get a known-working one |
| 09:53.15 | bob2` | like the netgear ma-111 version one |
| 09:53.20 | hellais | :\ |
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| 09:53.38 | bob2` | you don't buy random bad hardware and hope it will work |
| 09:53.53 | bob2` | also, where did you look for drivers? |
| 09:53.54 | porkpie | hmm! how do you save a change to a file using vi .... |
| 09:54.03 | bob2` | at least minipci rt2500 is supported |
| 09:54.04 | patad | ive made amends to my /www folder and i was wondering how do i restart it so the changes have been made |
| 09:54.05 | valdyn_ | porkpie: :w |
| 09:54.05 | bob2` | porkpie: :w |
| 09:54.22 | bob2` | patad: you don't restart your webserver after you make changes |
| 09:54.24 | patad | apache restart does nothing |
| 09:54.29 | hellais | bob2`: I bought it in an apple store were they sold me my computer |
| 09:54.34 | patad | bob2`, i dont? |
| 09:54.37 | hellais | and they told me that it was supported |
| 09:54.42 | valdyn_ | patad: apache does not need to be restarted to see new files |
| 09:54.51 | hellais | unfortunately the support was only for fedora core |
| 09:54.52 | bob2` | patad: no |
| 09:54.55 | hellais | and red hat |
| 09:55.02 | patad | valdyn_, well i deleted the index file and it still shows it in firefox hjehe |
| 09:55.04 | bob2` | hellais: that's not important |
| 09:55.08 | bob2` | hellais: does it have Free drivers? |
| 09:55.19 | hellais | no |
| 09:55.25 | hellais | they are precompiled |
| 09:55.27 | bob2` | ouch |
| 09:55.42 | hellais | there is a driver for the rt2500 |
| 09:55.48 | bob2` | it's really way way way way way better to avoid proprietary drivers |
| 09:55.51 | hellais | but only for pci and minibus |
| 09:55.59 | hellais | asd |
| 09:56.00 | valdyn_ | patad: no idea, that may be a firefox or proxy issue, im talking from experience, but that isnt alot |
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| 09:56.07 | bob2` | can you take it back? |
| 09:56.10 | hellais | :\ |
| 09:56.13 | hellais | i'm not sure |
| 09:56.18 | patad | valdyn_, i thought apache needed restarting |
| 09:56.22 | hellais | but I think not |
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| 09:57.08 | valdyn_ | patad: /etc/init.d/apache restart does that, but it shouldnt be required to see new files.. |
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| 09:57.19 | valdyn_ | patad: or realise deletions.. |
| 09:57.25 | pacoto | hola |
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| 09:57.53 | pacoto | sabeis si se pueden reanudar las descargas iniciadas con bittornado con azureus |
| 09:57.57 | bob2` | patad: if you can't see changes, your browser and/or proxy are broken |
| 09:58.09 | bob2` | !+spanish |
| 09:58.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:58.12 | patad | so your saying firefox and IE are at fault? |
| 09:58.27 | valdyn_ | patad: restart them |
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| 09:58.39 | valdyn_ | patad: if that doesnt fix it, the proxy is at fault |
| 09:58.42 | porkpie | bob2:sorry to be a pain but how do I stop and start the dhcp server ....so the changes will take affect |
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| 09:59.10 | bob2` | porkpie: same as you restart anything else |
| 09:59.15 | Nijan | Please help! My debian sarge without doing nothing transformed / fs in read only! What could be? |
| 09:59.18 | bob2` | porkpie: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcpwhatever restart |
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| 09:59.30 | bob2` | Nijan: read dmesg, does it complain about your disk fucking up? |
| 09:59.41 | valdyn_ | Nijan: that doesnt happen from "nothing" |
| 09:59.48 | humbolt | on one of my machines bind starts with 5 processes and on one with only one. why? |
| 09:59.51 | Nijan | EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in start_transaction: Readonly filesystem |
| 10:00.20 | bob2` | Nijan: your disk is having troubles |
| 10:00.23 | Nijan | i did nothing from yeasterday, when it was working. |
| 10:00.29 | patad | still doesnt work |
| 10:00.32 | patad | im shatered |
| 10:00.34 | Nijan | If i reboot what will happen? |
| 10:00.37 | streuner | Nijan: old HD? |
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| 10:00.47 | Nijan | not too much, 2 year.ù |
| 10:01.11 | porkpie | cool thanks alot bob2 |
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| 10:01.24 | bob2` | Nijan: it may or may not boot, depending on how damaged the disk is |
| 10:01.33 | porkpie | I don't normally use debian ....FreeBSD is the nor |
| 10:01.34 | porkpie | m |
| 10:01.49 | bob2` | Nijan: or it could be the kernel is buggy |
| 10:01.56 | Nijan | that's fantastic. |
| 10:02.00 | liable | my xmodmap file doesnt seem to be read at boot, any ideas where to put a command to get it read |
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| 10:02.22 | bob2` | liable: I used to run it from ~/.xsession |
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| 10:02.56 | Nijan | fsck give me this: e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda3 |
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| 10:03.16 | liable | bob2`: so just stick 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap' in it? |
| 10:03.22 | dondelelcaro | Nijan: use a backup superblock if you're sure it's actually ext2 |
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| 10:03.32 | bob2` | liable: yeah |
| 10:03.37 | liable | thx |
| 10:03.38 | bob2` | liable: if you're using xdm/startx |
| 10:03.47 | liable | kdm |
| 10:03.52 | Nijan | o is ext3, and i used giovy:~# fsck.ext3 /dev/hda |
| 10:04.48 | porkpie | bob2:how do I install a pkg on debian ....something like pico |
| 10:05.01 | bob2` | liable: that will only help if ou choose the "Debian session" from the list |
| 10:05.06 | bob2` | porkpie: sudo apt-get install nano |
| 10:05.13 | porkpie | tnak |
| 10:05.16 | bob2` | porkpie: (nano's a free replacement for pico) |
| 10:05.21 | clojster | Somebody had similar problem before?:: Suddenly my sound stopped working... I was watching a film, I fall asleep and when I woke up, the sounds was gone. After restart it was ok... |
| 10:05.43 | clojster | what is wrong? |
| 10:06.31 | streuner | clojster: did you unplug the cables? ;-) |
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| 10:06.43 | clojster | streuner: no :) |
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| 10:07.08 | clojster | I think that this is normal on Windoze... but linux? :) |
| 10:07.19 | valdyn_ | clojster: this could be anything, you need to find out more ( by reading logs ) |
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| 10:07.42 | streuner | clojster: ALSA? |
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| 10:07.51 | clojster | streuner: yep |
| 10:07.55 | Grejaooo | hi... |
| 10:08.01 | streuner | clojster: just run 'alsaconf' |
| 10:08.08 | clojster | streuner: I run alsamixer but volumes were up |
| 10:08.12 | Grejaooo | i know that we have 3 kinds of debian,,, |
| 10:08.25 | Grejaooo | i need download debian now to install here in my job |
| 10:08.32 | bob2` | hmm, miles davis |
| 10:08.37 | patad | what do u think the prob is? |
| 10:08.41 | Mr_Smoke | good morning |
| 10:08.43 | streuner | Grejaooo: server or desktop? |
| 10:08.44 | clojster | streuner: It's now ok... no need to do that... but it's weird |
| 10:08.51 | Grejaooo | streuner |
| 10:08.53 | ledet | Grejaooo: get the sarge netinstaller |
| 10:08.54 | Grejaooo | desktop |
| 10:09.01 | streuner | !d-i |
| 10:09.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 10:09.20 | ledet | Grejaooo: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:09.24 | Grejaooo | netinstaller??? ledet i can't burn a CD, i need to install from HD |
| 10:09.29 | Mr_Smoke | I've got a tiny problem with someone who is installing debian via CD-ROM (no broadband available)... |
| 10:09.30 | streuner | Grejaooo: for laptops read that too: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 10:09.30 | ledet | oh |
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| 10:09.53 | Nijan | i also found this.. <Nijan>/dev/hda1 * 1 29070 14651248+ 83 Linux |
| 10:09.53 | Nijan | <Nijan>Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: |
| 10:09.54 | Esa | I have strange problem, i'm using kernel 2.6.11.6 and i have devpts mounted on my system. still all logins is used by tty* (no pts/*) and i get messages: "No more PTYs" what's going on? |
| 10:09.56 | Nijan | could help? |
| 10:10.02 | Grejaooo | can i install debian from HD??? |
| 10:10.08 | streuner | Grejaooo: floppies are avaibable too |
| 10:10.12 | Mr_Smoke | the problem is that the person pressed *ENTER* a bit too hastily when asked if they wanted to install stuff like Graphical Environment, Mail Server, File Server etc ... How can we get back to that screen ?? |
| 10:10.16 | Nijan | Grejaooo, netinstall |
| 10:10.16 | Grejaooo | streuner yeah |
| 10:10.19 | streuner | Grejaooo: Can you install via floppies? |
| 10:10.28 | Mr_Smoke | I suspect it's got something to do with apt ... |
| 10:10.34 | Grejaooo | streuner yeah, my floppies are ok |
| 10:10.43 | Grejaooo | i can use then |
| 10:10.45 | valdyn_ | Mr_Smoke: run tasksel |
| 10:10.51 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 10:10.51 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 10:10.56 | Mr_Smoke | valdyn_, ok thanks |
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| 10:11.46 | Grejaooo | ledet sarge netinst have only 106 mb??? |
| 10:11.50 | Grejaooo | why??? |
| 10:12.12 | ledet | Grejaooo: why not??? |
| 10:12.14 | patad | !seen DerJamster |
| 10:12.14 | dpkg | derjamster <~versis@prag101.server4you.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 60d 12h 29m 4s ago, saying: 'Yay root.'. |
| 10:12.28 | patad | !seen DerJamstr |
| 10:12.28 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'derjamstr', patad |
| 10:12.29 | valdyn_ | Grejaooo: that disk contains only "essential" things, more can be gotten via network |
| 10:12.32 | patad | !seen DerJamstar |
| 10:12.32 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'derjamstar', patad |
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| 10:12.38 | patad | 60days lol |
| 10:13.01 | Grejaooo | valdyn_ what king of essentials packages have? |
| 10:13.14 | streuner | Grejaooo: we install debian usually over the network... |
| 10:13.18 | valdyn_ | Grejaooo: just what you need to install debian |
| 10:13.20 | RjY | If you do a fresh installation onto a blank partition, does the default /etc/apt/sources.list contain non-US sources? |
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| 10:13.26 | Grejaooo | i only use slackware, its my first time with debian |
| 10:13.32 | valdyn_ | Grejaooo: rather, just wahat you need to enable you to fetch stuff over network |
| 10:13.54 | Grejaooo | valdyn_ ok... |
| 10:14.09 | PitchForkLinux | Hi all, quick question for a newbie. what is the difference between a kernel with or without smp? I guess I don't know what smp is. Can someone offer a quick explanation? |
| 10:14.13 | streuner | Grejaooo: all you need is a kernel, a supported NIC and some packages... |
| 10:14.30 | ledet | PitchForkLinux: support for more than one processor |
| 10:14.30 | valdyn_ | Grejaooo: thats simplified, you can even install from a smaller disk image - but that one you mentioned is fine |
| 10:14.37 | Grejaooo | valdyn_ have a documentation that teach to install debian sarge netinstaller? |
| 10:15.00 | Grejaooo | valdyn_ ok... i was understand this |
| 10:15.13 | PitchForkLinux | what is smp? Is the a difference between kernels with or without it? |
| 10:15.15 | porkpie | bob2:I am having some problem the dhcpd.conf file would you have any idea what would seperate the to dns server entries option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.201;192.168.0.205;} |
| 10:15.23 | Mr_Smoke | valdyn_, thanks a bunch. it eventually turned out that without ticking anything, the installer went back to the state where you can chooose the "install packages" step again so it was fine :) |
| 10:15.28 | bob2` | porkpie: er |
| 10:15.34 | valdyn_ | !d-i Grejaooo |
| 10:15.35 | dpkg | Grejaooo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:15.42 | valdyn_ | ^^^^ has documentation too |
| 10:15.44 | Mr_Smoke | porkpie, tried a commae "," ? |
| 10:15.52 | Grejaooo | dpkg thanks :P |
| 10:15.52 | dpkg | sure thing, Grejaooo |
| 10:16.00 | streuner | valdyn_: without CDROM it would be hard for him... |
| 10:16.01 | PitchForkLinux | cool. I don't need smp then.. thanks |
| 10:16.19 | bob2` | porkpie: does that even look like the rest of the options in that file? |
| 10:17.24 | streuner | !woody boot floppies |
| 10:17.24 | dpkg | boot-floppies for Debian woody can be found at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44 . Please choose the set that fits you best. Also please consider using another mirror, if that's closer to you. |
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| 10:18.19 | Nijan | Excuse me, can i mput an intere directory tree eg /home/ using ftp without being asked for every file? |
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| 10:18.31 | Grejaooo | dpkg thanks :) |
| 10:18.31 | dpkg | Grejaooo: de rien |
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| 10:18.45 | Grejaooo | i don´t understand "rien" |
| 10:18.54 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 10:18.55 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 10:19.09 | Grejaooo | whats "de rien"?? |
| 10:19.33 | Nijan | is np in french i think.. |
| 10:19.49 | Mr_Smoke | indeed |
| 10:20.01 | [BBB] | Is there a way to automaticly get new kernels into GRUBS menu.lst? |
| 10:20.07 | Mr_Smoke | or "you're welcome" |
| 10:20.16 | bob2` | [BBB]: installing them is enough |
| 10:20.33 | [BBB] | it does not work for me *hmm* |
| 10:20.43 | Grejaooo | ahhh,,,, ok :P |
| 10:20.45 | Grejaooo | thanks... |
| 10:20.47 | karatorian | Why does packages.debian.org refuse my conntections? |
| 10:20.52 | bob2` | I mean, installing kernels from .debs |
| 10:20.55 | [BBB] | i have apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.10 |
| 10:20.58 | porkpie | bob2:that fixed it thanks ...it was the syslog the gave me to wrong message ...it told me it was expecting a ; |
| 10:21.04 | streuner | karatorian: it doesn't like you? |
| 10:21.07 | Grejaooo | i only use slackware |
| 10:21.18 | Grejaooo | today i'll go test debian... |
| 10:21.18 | [BBB] | bob2`: but it does not come into menu.lst |
| 10:21.29 | bob2` | [BBB]: that's not a kernel |
| 10:21.29 | streuner | karatorian: no problems here |
| 10:21.38 | valdyn_ | [BBB]: nvidia-kernel is NOT a kernel |
| 10:21.41 | [BBB] | ok |
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| 10:22.28 | [BBB] | should I install kernel-image-2.6.10? or what should I install? |
| 10:22.49 | bob2` | yes |
| 10:23.01 | [BBB] | ok..I'll test that! thanks :) |
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| 10:25.07 | Grejaooo | dpkg i found here 4 images from debian sarge... |
| 10:25.21 | Grejaooo | debian sarge is a full packages from debian |
| 10:25.31 | Grejaooo | and netisntaller is a sarge minimized?? |
| 10:25.35 | Grejaooo | are this? |
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| 10:26.05 | streuner | d-i (debian installer sarge) is usually about 200MB |
| 10:26.09 | PerfDave | Grejaooo: I suggest you read the Installation Manual as a starting point, and come back if you have further questions. |
| 10:26.30 | streuner | !tell Grejaooo -about ig |
| 10:27.25 | streuner | Grejaooo: ig explains how to use floppies and which you need |
| 10:27.40 | drac | Hey, my AC'97 integrated soundcard, ALSA, is totally mute. It has been working since 2.6.3 to 2.6.11.2. And yes, kernel has all the required support. And yes, i've tried with 2.6.8-2-k7 debian kernel also. Now using 2.6.11.6. I was thinking it is broken, but now I noticed Quake 3 saying 'sound system is muted.' at startup, so I was thinking maybe it is somehow muted afterall but alsamixer is just playing tricks with me. Also got an error during ALSA start at boo |
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| 10:29.04 | Grejaooo | thanks :P |
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| 10:29.41 | drac | I was thinking compiling ALSA packages from source to .debs and trying them? Or is that just bad idea? |
| 10:30.18 | valdyn_ | drac: that works. |
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| 10:31.03 | Nijan | Excuse me, can i mput an entire directory tree eg /home/ using ftp? |
| 10:31.11 | drac | Ok, any pointers how should I proceed doing that? apt-get source alsa-base, and from there with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 10:31.27 | valdyn_ | drac: i mean, doing just that even on a 2.6 kernel with its own alsa that is explicitely supported by the debian alsa maintainer(s) |
| 10:31.33 | Grejaooo | all i need is this http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/pt_BR.i386/ch04s05.html :D thanks for all |
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| 10:32.30 | valdyn_ | drac: apt-get install alsa-source, edit /etc/alsa/alsa-source.conf unless you want to compile all modules, m-a a-i alsa. |
| 10:33.11 | valdyn_ | drac: ( may have to install module-assistant if you dont have it ) |
| 10:33.12 | drac | mmm.. sound good. module-assistant rocks :) |
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| 10:34.03 | drac | I have it, done nvidia and shfs with it before. |
| 10:34.04 | drac | Thanks.. trying.. |
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| 10:34.49 | streuner | dpkg, sarge bootfloppies is http://archive.progeny.com/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ |
| 10:34.49 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 10:35.32 | intra17 | anyone here from the USA? |
| 10:35.48 | streuner | why? |
| 10:35.49 | valdyn_ | streuner: something wrong with: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy |
| 10:36.00 | intra17 | want to chat |
| 10:36.03 | bob2` | intra17: no, try #hottub |
| 10:36.29 | streuner | valdyn_: what's wrong? |
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| 10:36.44 | valdyn_ | streuner: sorry, was meant to be a question |
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| 10:37.54 | Mr_Smoke | damn, installing debian over the phone is a tough thing to do |
| 10:38.07 | intra17 | anyone here from the USA? |
| 10:38.09 | intra17 | anyone here from the USA? |
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| 10:38.14 | streuner | too expensive |
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| 10:38.19 | streuner | good bot |
| 10:38.46 | cat | yeah |
| 10:38.50 | Mr_Smoke | streuner, oh, i didn't mean over POTS as opposed to DSL for example ... but rather explaining my dad how to tick the right options |
| 10:39.01 | Mr_Smoke | ... on second thought, it might prove expensive as well ! |
| 10:39.39 | streuner | Mr_Smoke: why not just install sshd? |
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| 10:39.48 | drac | Building alsa-source, step 1, please wait.. I hope it'll work, no money to buy new card :-P |
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| 10:39.58 | P_o_P | i have a problem with my netgear GA311 with a 2.6.11.6 i know gentoo reconize it perfectly but i try to put it on a debian i put in kernel realtek 8169, someone knows who are the best drivers for this eth card ? i have this error : NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth |
| 10:40.22 | Mr_Smoke | streuner, because he's on ISDN : meaning he has to configure it properly before it works, its slow (max 128kbits) and expensive as hell |
| 10:41.11 | Mr_Smoke | P_o_P, that doesn't seem like the full error message to me, is it ? |
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| 10:41.37 | P_o_P | NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: timing out |
| 10:42.00 | streuner | Mr_Smoke: well, why not just burn CD's and send him via snail-mail? |
| 10:42.01 | P_o_P | my card ping what i want |
| 10:42.04 | Mr_Smoke | that's better, somehow... so eth0 is up then ? |
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| 10:42.19 | P_o_P | put when i want to do a apt-gt update for example it block |
| 10:42.25 | Mr_Smoke | streuner, that's what we did :) but still, he needs help ... he's not that intimate with linux yet, and previous distro was maddrake |
| 10:43.07 | streuner | Mr_Smoke: make sure you install sshd then ;-) |
| 10:43.09 | PerfDave | Mr_Smoke: Print off the Installation Manual and send it to him via snail-mail? ;) |
| 10:43.25 | Mr_Smoke | streuner, I sure did ;) |
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| 10:43.52 | streuner | PerfDave: hehe |
| 10:44.09 | Mr_Smoke | PerfDave, he should snail-mail me the printer first ! |
| 10:44.10 | Mr_Smoke | ;) |
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| 10:44.54 | P_o_P | streuner : error is exactly this : "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" |
| 10:45.00 | Humbe | Where do I found info on the install CD's?.. Ideally I want a netinstall image with broadcom tigon 3 support.. Otherwise a complete CD so I have enough to compile a kernel with proper support.. |
| 10:45.04 | Mr_Smoke | P_o_P, so eth0 is up then ? |
| 10:45.27 | P_o_P | streuner : yes its up but seem do ont work perfectly |
| 10:45.45 | P_o_P | streuner : i cant do an apt-get completely |
| 10:45.47 | Mr_Smoke | Humbe, you mean complete *set* of CD's then I guess .. (14 for sarge) but usually kernels come with broad enough hardware support... Check the doc i think |
| 10:46.11 | P_o_P | streuner : grr i have to lunch i hl u after |
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| 10:46.47 | Humbe | Mr_Smoke: Well.. Only need enough to get network up.. Usually I've managed that with the binary1 cd only.. Just hoped there was a network install cd image that I could use.. Cuz I can't use my current netinstall cd.. |
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| 10:47.18 | Mr_Smoke | Humbe, huh, why is that ? |
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| 10:47.49 | Humbe | Mr_Smoke: Cuz the netinstall CD I have don't support my network card.. Broadcom tigon 3.. |
| 10:49.04 | Mr_Smoke | oh |
| 10:49.10 | Mr_Smoke | sorry had misunderstood you |
| 10:49.31 | Mr_Smoke | then i'm not sure really |
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| 10:50.22 | saloxin | Humbe: see http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ -> Q22 |
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| 10:50.38 | Anders1 | is it possible to kill all instances which is using a certain mount point |
| 10:50.48 | Anders1 | because im trying to umount /deblive, but it says its already in use |
| 10:50.56 | Anders1 | and i need to know how to actually umount it |
| 10:51.00 | Humbe | Anders1: Try lsof to see what uses it.. |
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| 10:51.06 | saloxin | Anders1: lsof | grep mountpoint | some versin of kill / pkill |
| 10:51.13 | Anders1 | ok |
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| 10:51.35 | Mr_Smoke | saloxin, nice one (the FAQ) |
| 10:51.37 | Anders1 | thanks :) |
| 10:51.45 | saloxin | yep :-) |
| 10:51.55 | Mr_Smoke | saloxin, u know it by heart ? :) |
| 10:52.24 | saloxin | Mr_Smoke: hehe no. my experiences with debian-installer is that it normally just works |
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| 10:52.42 | Mr_Smoke | saloxin, indeed, never had such hardware though, couldn't say for sure |
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| 10:54.25 | Chameleon22 | i am trying to move to a new hdd and basicly moved everything etc now need to move boot records (grub) before i boot of the new disk. do i do: grub-install --root-directory=/home/seg/newhdd/boot /dev/hdb or --root-directory=/home/seg/newhdd/boot /dev/hdb1 or /dev/hdb ...? |
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| 10:54.59 | sao | hi guys, how to install opengl under sarge ? |
| 10:55.11 | Mr_Smoke | "install opengl" is a bit vague |
| 10:55.11 | cat | apt-get install opengl ? |
| 10:55.21 | Mr_Smoke | huhu "apt ! apt !" |
| 10:55.27 | PerfDave | sao: What graphics card do you have? |
| 10:55.49 | sao | geforce fx 5600 go (Notebook) |
| 10:56.01 | PerfDave | sao: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 10:56.09 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, depends where you want to install the grub loader ... how many HDD will you have in the end ? |
| 10:56.11 | PerfDave | sao: I'm assuming that the nvidia binary driver supports it. |
| 10:56.15 | sao | i installed it from www.nvidia.com ;-) |
| 10:56.18 | Mr_Smoke | PerfDave, it does |
| 10:56.24 | PerfDave | sao: That was a bad idea. |
| 10:56.28 | sao | why ? |
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| 10:56.39 | sao | they are much newer i think ? |
| 10:56.50 | Mr_Smoke | PerfDave, oh, what binary did you mean then ? |
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| 10:57.05 | DarkSidious | Does Xorg have 'built in' portable DRI/GL graphucs/rendering ? |
| 10:57.14 | PerfDave | sao: Because it overwrites files that apt thinks it owns, which apt will overwrite when you upgrade X, which will break stuff. |
| 10:57.17 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: only one, the new one |
| 10:57.23 | DarkSidious | Does Xorg have 'built in' portable DRI/GL graphics/rendering, rather ? |
| 10:57.46 | PerfDave | sao: Using the Debian nvidia packages in non-free gives you apt-friendly nvidia drivers. |
| 10:57.51 | sao | omfg i updated it, so now opengl is gone ? |
| 10:57.59 | PerfDave | sao: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 10:58.16 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: ...? |
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| 10:58.28 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, then ... grub-install to the /dev/hd which is the /dev where the one-disk-to-be is |
| 10:58.32 | Mr_Smoke | meaning |
| 10:58.33 | sao | so what shall i do now ? apt-get install opengl ? |
| 10:58.41 | PerfDave | sao: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 10:58.43 | Mr_Smoke | if your future single disk is presently hdb, use hdb |
| 10:59.10 | tom_74 | my gedit is in trouble: CRITICAL **:gedit_prefs_manager_get_int: assertion `gedit_prefs_manager->gconf_client !=NULL' faild. I purged and reinstalled gedit, and i don't know what do to next. Is anybody else suffering the same pain? |
| 10:59.32 | cat | tom_74: as root? |
| 10:59.33 | saloxin | Chameleon22: you might want to prepare booting from floppy or cd as a backup |
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| 10:59.43 | tom_74 | no just at tom |
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| 10:59.51 | sao | ok i shall use apt only it seems thx man |
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| 11:00.01 | sao | i try that later, got dinner now cu all |
| 11:00.05 | tom_74 | no just as tom |
| 11:00.18 | cat | is that a bug? |
| 11:00.19 | Chameleon22 | saloxin: got original disk so its ok for now |
| 11:00.30 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: do i need to mount the hdd? |
| 11:00.40 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, no |
| 11:00.48 | cat | i can run gedit fine |
| 11:00.50 | tom_74 | if anyone can reproduce it, it's a bug. Possilby something is wrong with my configuration? |
| 11:01.10 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: # grub-install /dev/hdb |
| 11:01.10 | Chameleon22 | /dev/hdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 11:01.14 | tom_74 | what can I do to make it work / find out more about the problem? |
| 11:01.25 | cat | tom_74: did you touched the gedit configuration? |
| 11:01.39 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, dunno then ... I've always used grub's interactive prompt, and hd(1,0) stuff |
| 11:01.51 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, I did just that recently, same situation, and it was flawless .. |
| 11:01.51 | tom_74 | I guess not. Doesn't dpkg --purge gedit fix this? |
| 11:01.54 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: how do u use interactive? |
| 11:01.59 | cat | tom_74: try it, |
| 11:02.02 | cat | and see if it works, |
| 11:02.05 | cat | if not, is a bug |
| 11:02.10 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, just run grub ! i guess man grub could help you somehow too |
| 11:02.19 | tom_74 | I already did... |
| 11:02.36 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: errr "Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time." does it take very long? |
| 11:02.44 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, about a couple of minutes |
| 11:02.47 | Mr_Smoke | at worst |
| 11:02.50 | Chameleon22 | ok |
| 11:02.54 | Mr_Smoke | shouldn't take that long most of the time |
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| 11:03.20 | Chameleon22 | does it factor in disk size or nothing to do with it ? |
| 11:03.33 | tom_74 | cat: also, it take MINUTES before gedit launches. But in stead of launching, I get the critical error |
| 11:04.31 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, what do you mean |
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| 11:04.47 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: does the length of probe depend on disk size in any way ? |
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| 11:04.57 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: length being time |
| 11:05.08 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, honestly, i have no idea whatsoever |
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| 11:06.27 | Gnea | ok what is up with this: 2.6 (recent .10 and .11) kernels on p2 systems generate depmod errors on *every* module built, does anyone see something wrong with 2.6 kernels and some older yet still functional hardware? |
| 11:06.27 | qpee | hi all, what would a line in the crontab be when i want a script or command to be run each 2 hours. i looked into the man but i obvisously couldn't find an answer (prob. due to my english knowledge) |
| 11:06.59 | Gnea | qpee: it's all about the first part - u tell cron how often u want it to run |
| 11:07.10 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: thats cool |
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| 11:07.39 | Gnea | qpee: like this see |
| 11:07.43 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: ok am in interactive prompt what do i do now ? |
| 11:07.43 | Gnea | 15 * * * * command |
| 11:07.48 | Gnea | runs command every 15 minutes |
| 11:08.09 | qpee | Gnea: ok, so 2h would be 0 2 * * * command |
| 11:08.11 | Gnea | qpee: 120 * * * * command <-- that is what you want |
| 11:08.21 | Chameleon22 | Gnea: */15 not 15 |
| 11:08.24 | Gnea | uh |
| 11:08.24 | tarzeau | Gnea: n |
| 11:08.30 | Gnea | mChameleon22: no |
| 11:08.32 | tarzeau | Chameleon22: well you were faster |
| 11:08.38 | Gnea | */15 runs it every 15 minutes on the HOUR |
| 11:08.48 | Gnea | 15 runs it every 15 minutes |
| 11:08.48 | tarzeau | Gnea: no |
| 11:08.52 | tarzeau | Gnea: NO NO NO |
| 11:08.55 | Gnea | yes. |
| 11:08.58 | tarzeau | Gnea: the other way around |
| 11:09.10 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: ? |
| 11:09.19 | saloxin | 15 * * * * is quarter past every hour |
| 11:09.28 | Mr_Smoke | valdyn_, huh would you know why (stil on the CD install) when choosing the language it says it can't find kdmrc then goes to MTA setup ? |
| 11:09.33 | tarzeau | Gnea: you go read it |
| 11:09.36 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, read some doc |
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| 11:09.41 | qpee | ok, now i'm confused. |
| 11:09.43 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: bah |
| 11:10.17 | Gnea | ok |
| 11:10.20 | Gnea | crontab is stupid |
| 11:10.33 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, try help install at the prompt |
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| 11:11.16 | valdyn_ | Mr_Smoke: i have no idea, should be safe to ignore it though if you can |
| 11:11.16 | Gnea | ok maybe tarzeau and Chameleon22 are right |
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| 11:11.17 | Mr_Smoke | valdyn_, huh, ok, it's got nothing to do woth locales at this stage ? |
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| 11:12.01 | Chameleon22 | Gnea: :) |
| 11:12.05 | valdyn_ | Mr_Smoke: kdmrc should be a config file for kdm, no idea how this can be related to installing from CD directly, so it shouldnt cause problems for now |
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| 11:12.39 | Gnea | but back to the REAL issue |
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| 11:12.43 | P_o_P | someone can help me with this error : "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" |
| 11:12.44 | Mr_Smoke | valdyn_, yeah i know what kdmrc is for :) and i'm somehow surprised that it should come up now ... i'll skip then |
| 11:12.46 | Gnea | 2.6 on a p2 system |
| 11:12.47 | Gnea | like |
| 11:12.50 | Gnea | a Dell GX1 |
| 11:13.08 | voyd | on sarge, how would i tell apache to load the php-mysql module? |
| 11:13.08 | Gnea | P_o_P: your transmit timed out. |
| 11:13.23 | Gnea | voyd: it's in /etc/apache/ |
| 11:13.35 | Gnea | edit a config file there that loads dynamic .so modules |
| 11:13.54 | valdyn_ | P_o_P: this is a hardware issue, like cabling |
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| 11:14.08 | P_o_P | Gnea : yes kernel 2.6.11.6 realtek 8169, the eth ping but i have this error and i cant use apt-get update for example |
| 11:14.11 | qpee | sorry for reasking, but i didn't get the syn. for running a cmd in cron each 2h would it really be 0 2 * * * ? |
| 11:14.18 | voyd | Gnea: in /etc/apache2/mods-available there is nothing resembling mysql |
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| 11:14.32 | Gnea | qpee: try * 2 * * * |
| 11:14.44 | Gnea | voyd: no i said a config file |
| 11:14.47 | Gnea | .conf |
| 11:14.48 | saloxin | qpee: 0 */2 * * * command ( http://www.rt.com/man/crontab.5.html , debian manpage sucks on crontab) |
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| 11:15.36 | [BBB] | when i modprobe nvidia I get: "Module nvidia not found" but I have installed nvidia-glx, and nvidia-kernel |
| 11:15.41 | [BBB] | what could be wrong? |
| 11:15.42 | brosio | anyone that have macromedia flash could see fonts on www.gucci.com ? |
| 11:16.29 | Gnea | [BBB]: maybe you didn't depmod -a |
| 11:16.37 | PerfDave | [BBB]: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 11:16.44 | [BBB] | Gnea: I will test that |
| 11:16.53 | qpee | saloxin, Gnea : thanks for the links |
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| 11:17.07 | [BBB] | Gnea: did not help :( |
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| 11:17.27 | valdyn_ | !tell [BBB] about nvidia one-liner |
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| 11:17.47 | Gnea | brosio: slick |
| 11:18.20 | ^mays | what's up dude! |
| 11:18.38 | brosio | Gnea, ?? |
| 11:18.46 | Gnea | brosio: i can read it just fine |
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| 11:19.01 | c0ffee | hi there |
| 11:19.01 | c0ffee | somebody remembers the irc server the |
| 11:19.02 | Gnea | brosio: hottie in the middle too #) |
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| 11:19.06 | c0ffee | #alioth channel sits on? |
| 11:19.11 | brosio | http://www.gucci.com/us/index2.html |
| 11:19.19 | c0ffee | 13:19 <M-A-D-O-N-N-> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 11:19.22 | c0ffee | *sigh* |
| 11:19.32 | c0ffee | debian has pr0n advertising now or what? |
| 11:19.39 | Gnea | dude |
| 11:19.41 | brosio | u can read fonts after macromedia starts ? |
| 11:19.42 | ^mays | can i ask a question? |
| 11:19.43 | saloxin | c0ffee: see /topic |
| 11:19.49 | Rydekull | !ops M-A-D-O-N-N- |
| 11:19.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: M-A-D-O-N-N- |
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| 11:19.53 | Gnea | aren't there any 2girl/1guy stills?! |
| 11:19.59 | timo | brosio, yes |
| 11:20.00 | Gnea | ^mays: HELL NO |
| 11:20.07 | Gnea | !tell ^mays about ask |
| 11:20.22 | ^mays | can i join i debian? |
| 11:20.30 | Gnea | get the fuck out |
| 11:20.33 | ^mays | in developing debian? |
| 11:20.33 | PerfDave | ^mays: How do you mean "join" |
| 11:20.42 | brosio | timo, which fonts do u have ? |
| 11:20.46 | brosio | i can see them :\ |
| 11:20.47 | ^mays | in developing |
| 11:20.48 | Gnea | mirc user |
| 11:20.49 | milwatts | heyy ppl |
| 11:20.50 | Gnea | troll |
| 11:20.50 | PerfDave | ^mays: Yes, you can become a Debian Developer. The relevant documentation is on http://www.debian.org/ |
| 11:21.05 | PerfDave | Gnea: mIRC users can be Debian Developers too :) |
| 11:21.16 | Gnea | PerfDave: no wonder debian is so slow :) |
| 11:21.30 | ^mays | in what particular? |
| 11:21.45 | milwatts | my debian won't start, i don't get any image on the screen...the green light of the monitor stays blinking...could be frequency? |
| 11:21.57 | Gnea | your debian |
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| 11:22.08 | doleyb | milwatts: push control-alt-f1, see if you get a terminal |
| 11:22.12 | Gnea | milwatts: woody/sarge/sid? |
| 11:22.17 | PerfDave | milwatts: Is the monitor plugged in? Did you see anything at all when you booted? |
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| 11:22.26 | milwatts | Gnea: wtf ?? |
| 11:22.32 | milwatts | PerfDave: yes, all |
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| 11:22.41 | milwatts | doleyb: ok :) |
| 11:22.44 | citral | bob2`: thanks |
| 11:22.50 | jayson_I | how can i contribute? |
| 11:23.07 | Chameleon22 | i am trying to move to a new hdd and basicly moved everything etc now need to move boot records (grub) before i boot of the new disk. do i do: grub-install --root-directory=/home/seg/newhdd/boot /dev/hdb or --root-directory=/home/seg/newhdd/boot /dev/hdb1 or /dev/hdb ...? also should the new disk be mounted during this or not? |
| 11:23.11 | jayson_I | i have a good knowledge in designing and programming |
| 11:23.13 | cat | jayson_I: nm.debian.org |
| 11:23.16 | PerfDave | milwatts: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Please try to use better English, or join a channel for Debian support in your native language. |
| 11:23.18 | jayson_I | even web programming |
| 11:23.26 | timo | brosio, do you have msttcorefonts installed? |
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| 11:23.37 | Gnea | jayson_I: you need to install debian on your system and learn how the package system and how to compile stuff works |
| 11:23.38 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: I tried that and grub didn't work at all, I ended up doing a fresh install off CD to the new drive. |
| 11:23.48 | Gnea | jayson_I: it will take you time |
| 11:23.55 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: as in fresh system install? |
| 11:23.55 | Mr_Smoke | PerfDave, i did just what he did and it worked flawlessly |
| 11:24.09 | PerfDave | Mr_Smoke: Bully for you. It didn't work for me. |
| 11:24.10 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: Yep |
| 11:24.13 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: can you tell me exactly what you did |
| 11:24.15 | jayson_I | ah |
| 11:24.16 | cat | jayson_I: if you'r good programmer star fixing bugs, |
| 11:24.20 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: thats not an option |
| 11:24.23 | PerfDave | And the grub documentation and support is fucking appalling. |
| 11:24.24 | jayson_I | how many CD's are they? |
| 11:24.25 | cat | and star helping over here |
| 11:24.28 | brosio | timo, yes |
| 11:24.34 | PerfDave | jayson_I: Read the Installation Manual for options in installing Debian. |
| 11:24.36 | bob2` | jayson_I: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ is a good start |
| 11:24.43 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, for the Nth time ... man grub would help ... otherwise it's "install" you're looking for |
| 11:24.48 | jayson_I | it's too big to download |
| 11:24.54 | cat | wtf |
| 11:24.57 | jayson_I | i saw it's cds? |
| 11:24.59 | milwatts | doleyb: yes i have a terminal |
| 11:25.01 | c0ffee | where can i find the alioth.debian.org people? they're not on freenode :/ |
| 11:25.02 | jayson_I | i saw it's 6 cds? |
| 11:25.10 | jayson_I | i saw it's 6 ISO image cds? |
| 11:25.17 | saloxin | jayson_I: if you have an internet connection you usually only need #1 |
| 11:25.17 | Gnea | jayson_I: are you install broadband or dialup? |
| 11:25.24 | timo | brosio, dunno then, that should be enough. try another browser and / or upgrade your flash plugin |
| 11:25.25 | jayson_I | broadband |
| 11:25.28 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: for the Nth time what did you do that worked flawlessly ? i didnt do anything hence you cant say i did what he did since i also gave few options |
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| 11:26.03 | Gnea | then you only need 1 cd |
| 11:26.03 | brosio | :\ |
| 11:26.03 | doleyb | milwatts: so yes, it does seem that your monitor refresh rate is messed up. |
| 11:26.03 | brosio | timo, u use mozilla ? |
| 11:26.03 | timo | brosio, firefox |
| 11:26.03 | doleyb | milwatts: push control-alt-f7 to get back to your X11 screen (which will be blank again) |
| 11:26.03 | Gnea | jayson_I: just get the first cd iso |
| 11:26.03 | brosio | me too :\ |
| 11:26.03 | Gnea | jayson_I: that's it |
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| 11:26.11 | milwatts | ok doleyb then what? :) |
| 11:26.12 | jayson_I | what is it |
| 11:26.15 | doleyb | milwatts: then try control-alt-NumpadPlus to change the screen res, and see if that helps it. |
| 11:26.23 | PerfDave | jayson_I: You don't need all the CDs, you need ~50Mb for the business card, or 110Mb for the netinstall. |
| 11:26.23 | jayson_I | what is the file name? |
| 11:26.29 | Gnea | you'll know what it is when you see it |
| 11:26.36 | Gnea | find the directory online |
| 11:26.37 | jayson_I | ahh |
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| 11:26.39 | doleyb | milwatts: but anyway, you will need to change your XF86Config-4 to use a slower refresh rate. |
| 11:26.42 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, i just told you ... i used "install", used hd(1,0) to say IDE slave (ie hdb) and voila |
| 11:26.42 | PerfDave | jayson_I: Read the Installation Manual. If you can't read and understand documentation, you will never be a Debian Developer. |
| 11:26.47 | jayson_I | i tought all 6 ISO |
| 11:26.55 | Gnea | no nono |
| 11:26.55 | Gnea | see |
| 11:26.59 | PerfDave | jayson_I: That's because you didn't read the Installation Manual. |
| 11:27.01 | Gnea | only 6 ISO if you are offline |
| 11:27.07 | Gnea | so take it with you |
| 11:27.12 | Gnea | but you have b roadband |
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| 11:27.17 | Gnea | so you can install without it |
| 11:27.22 | jayson_I | i cannot found the Installation manual |
| 11:27.22 | milwatts | doleyb: ok :) thx |
| 11:27.27 | Gnea | jayson_I: apt-get installs over the internet |
| 11:27.32 | jayson_I | where i can found it? |
| 11:27.37 | Gnea | debian.org |
| 11:27.39 | Phated | !ig |
| 11:27.40 | dpkg | i heard ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 11:27.50 | Gnea | Phated: :) |
| 11:27.52 | jayson_I | tnx\ |
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| 11:28.07 | Gnea | jayson_I: remember, just boot the first burnt ISO |
| 11:28.13 | Naudix | Anyone know a url that lists all IP block ranges by country ? |
| 11:28.14 | timo | brosio, and I |
| 11:28.23 | Gnea | jayson_I: and install that, use dhcp to get an IP probably or PPPoE |
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| 11:28.28 | PerfDave | Naudix: I think IANA may have one. |
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| 11:28.32 | timo | brosio, and I'm using flashplayer-mozilla from Christian Marillat's apt repositories |
| 11:28.37 | Naudix | PerfDave: Ok, thanks |
| 11:28.44 | brosio | timo, mee to |
| 11:28.50 | timo | brosio, hrm |
| 11:28.51 | Naudix | PerfDave: I used to have it all saved to a file but deleted it *grin* |
| 11:28.52 | brosio | i think that's a problem |
| 11:28.59 | brosio | only with fonts |
| 11:29.15 | Gnea | brosio: oic |
| 11:29.30 | Gnea | brosio: i am using the flash from the main website installed to firefox |
| 11:29.43 | Gnea | so i go there it works |
| 11:29.44 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, at the grub prmpt, type install, using the relative path to the conf file, specifying the path to the *NEW* path of menu.lst (what it will be on the new HDD when it's mounted, eg /boot/grub/menu.lst) and the correct device as it is plugged *currently* |
| 11:29.55 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, i'm on the phone i'll get back to you in a couple of minutes, honest |
| 11:29.58 | jayson_I | tnx i will try |
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| 11:30.03 | GeeSeCillo | hi |
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| 11:30.07 | timo | brosio, well, for what it's worth, I've got these fonts installed: http://thietanen.iki.fi/~timo/misc/fonts.txt |
| 11:30.15 | Gnea | cool beans |
| 11:30.18 | GeeSeCillo | how to run on grub boot a cd? |
| 11:30.31 | Gnea | GeeSeCillo: you can't. |
| 11:30.42 | GeeSeCillo | Gnea, i can't? !! |
| 11:30.46 | Gnea | no |
| 11:30.48 | Gnea | you can't |
| 11:30.50 | Gnea | use sbm |
| 11:30.55 | GeeSeCillo | mmm |
| 11:31.01 | Gnea | !sbm |
| 11:31.02 | dpkg | [sbm] Smart Boot Manager, or docs on the Debian CD: /install/README.sbm. Uses a floppy to boot from CD if your computer can't. |
| 11:31.14 | GeeSeCillo | yes |
| 11:31.16 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: thanks, one more question while you on the phone 'hd(0,1)' or '(hd1,0)' |
| 11:31.16 | Gnea | someone |
| 11:31.19 | GeeSeCillo | ok thanx |
| 11:31.21 | Gnea | wrote that weird |
| 11:31.29 | Gnea | i used sbm to boot straight from a cd before |
| 11:31.30 | cat | hd(0,1) |
| 11:31.30 | Gnea | np |
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| 11:31.53 | Chameleon22 | cat: what would hd1,0 do? |
| 11:32.02 | brosio | just a second |
| 11:32.13 | Gnea | Chameleon22: first partition of second hard disk |
| 11:32.14 | cat | it will not installed on the master ide |
| 11:32.16 | brosio | i install it |
| 11:32.23 | Chameleon22 | thank Gnea |
| 11:32.25 | [BBB] | dpkg: the output of the apt-get input you gave is: |
| 11:32.27 | [BBB] | nvidia-glx: depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 but that can not be installed |
| 11:32.31 | Gnea | master ide is (hd0) or (hd1) |
| 11:33.05 | Gnea | [BBB]: install nvidia-kernel then |
| 11:34.13 | [BBB] | Gnea: Right now I have nvidia-kernel-1.0.7167...my repositories dont have any newer... |
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| 11:35.22 | Gnea | [BBB]: i gave up using the .debs for nvidia long ago |
| 11:35.29 | Gnea | and got the .run file off of nvidia's ftp site |
| 11:35.33 | [BBB] | ok |
| 11:35.38 | Gnea | it always works and is always stable |
| 11:35.38 | valdyn_ | [BBB]: use an older nvidia-glx |
| 11:35.41 | Gnea | fuck the .debs |
| 11:35.42 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:35.49 | PerfDave | Gnea: ...until it doesn't. |
| 11:35.53 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, you want hd(1,0) IF your FUTURE single disk is presently plugged as the IDE 1 SLAVE |
| 11:35.57 | Gnea | PerfDave: wihch is never |
| 11:35.59 | Gnea | well |
| 11:36.00 | jayson_I | ok tnx i have already applied.. |
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| 11:36.06 | Gnea | i only had 1 DDR card die on me |
| 11:36.09 | Gnea | only cuz it had a fan |
| 11:36.14 | Gnea | and so it stopped and overheated |
| 11:36.15 | [BBB] | valdyn_: sounds great...and that was what I wanted... |
| 11:36.17 | valdyn_ | Gnea: it breaks _each_ time you upgrade X, if you never do that it may not break |
| 11:36.24 | Gnea | my gf4 has no fan that problem is nonexistant |
| 11:36.36 | PerfDave | [BBB]: If you follow the module-assistant method, you shouldn't have any problems |
| 11:36.37 | [BBB] | right now I have nvidia-glx version 1.0.7167-1 |
| 11:36.45 | jayson_I | i have already progress in downloading the Debian |
| 11:36.50 | [BBB] | with nvidia-kernel-2.6.10 version 1.0.7167+MEPIS.3.3 |
| 11:36.56 | Gnea | valdyn_: that is beside the point. it never breaks unless a kernel upgrades or something, then i just re-run the .run file and all is well |
| 11:36.58 | [BBB] | they should match? |
| 11:37.00 | PerfDave | [BBB]: You're running *MEPIS*???? |
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| 11:37.08 | kuo | hi |
| 11:37.10 | [BBB] | yes |
| 11:37.18 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: ok running this as i am typing "grub-install --root-directory=/home/serg/newdisk 'hd(1,0)'" |
| 11:37.20 | PerfDave | [BBB]: Get the fuck out of here! This isn't a MEPIS channel, it's a Debian channel. |
| 11:37.22 | Gnea | what's mepis? |
| 11:37.24 | PerfDave | !mepis |
| 11:37.24 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. |
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| 11:37.35 | kuo | may I ask a question ? |
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| 11:37.38 | PerfDave | Gnea: Yet another retarded Debian-based distro, obviously with broken packages. |
| 11:37.39 | Gnea | ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh |
| 11:37.39 | [BBB] | PerfDave: nice to talking to you |
| 11:37.45 | Gnea | kuo: no. |
| 11:37.48 | kuo | k |
| 11:37.54 | Gnea | !tell kuo about ask |
| 11:37.56 | drac | Heh, you people have been trying to help Mepis user for hour :P |
| 11:37.57 | timo | kuo, you already did |
| 11:38.02 | kuo | :) |
| 11:38.07 | zinx | [BBB]: as you've seen by now, mepis isn't debian. mepis has problems that are not related to debian, and we can not help with them. you've run in to one. |
| 11:38.17 | Gnea | drac: how fucked up is that :) |
| 11:38.25 | valdyn_ | [BBB]: the problem is that exactly by using mepis, debian "hints" may not apply, thats frustrating for you and us. |
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| 11:38.29 | kuo | i'm too dumb, i should get back to gameboy :) |
| 11:39.06 | PerfDave | Fucking tossy fucking users of fucking shitty non-Debian distros coming in here and wasting our fucking time asking for fucking help with their pieces of wanky shit! |
| 11:39.16 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: its taking its sweet time |
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| 11:40.28 | kuo | well I just need a hint : i'm new to debian and trying to compile apache and php, cant install binaries because i need freetds support |
| 11:40.28 | Gnea | PerfDave: HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH!!! |
| 11:40.28 | usn | hi all |
| 11:40.28 | PerfDave | kuo: Read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages. |
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| 11:40.29 | kuo | the source distrib of apache do not contain the usual configure script |
| 11:40.29 | Gnea | kuo: just put it all on a separate partition |
| 11:41.06 | kuo | I compiled php ok, but apache is another story |
| 11:41.11 | kuo | i'm lost :( |
| 11:41.13 | kuo | and tired :) |
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| 11:41.28 | jayson_I | heloo |
| 11:41.34 | valdyn_ | kuo: why do you compile these things? |
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| 11:41.40 | kuo | what r u talking about partition ? what's the relation? |
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| 11:41.51 | kuo | because I need freetds support |
| 11:41.52 | jayson_I | how can i login to my email account in debian.org |
| 11:42.06 | SlimeyPete | shit, this place is even bigger than I remember |
| 11:42.20 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 11:42.44 | PerfDave | jayson_I: Do you mean "how to I read e-mail in Debian"? Install a mail client, like mutt (CLI) or Thunderbird (GUI). |
| 11:42.50 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: it just completed and only file in there is a grub/device.map is that normal? |
| 11:42.56 | kuo | anyone can point me to something about apache sources ? |
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| 11:43.07 | kuo | why isn't there a configure script ? |
| 11:43.09 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, damn, sorry still on the phone (debian install :/ ) |
| 11:43.22 | Chameleon22 | Mr_Smoke: ok |
| 11:43.31 | valdyn_ | kuo: i have no idea about this particular issue, but assuming you must recompile apache - apt-get source apache, adjust it to your needs, then debian/rules binary in the source dir |
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| 11:43.45 | liable | Chameleon22: in where? |
| 11:43.49 | milwatts | doleyb: solved...changed driver to nv and commented dri and GLcore |
| 11:43.54 | PerfDave | kuo: Read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages. |
| 11:44.02 | Gnea | PerfDave: i think he's trying to hookup a real debian developer account as a windows user ! |
| 11:44.11 | valdyn_ | kuo: using upstream apache sources will just make things even harder |
| 11:44.19 | Chameleon22 | liable: in /boot on new disk i am trying to install grub since i am trying to move to a larger disk |
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| 11:44.42 | PerfDave | kuo: If you must use upstream, non-Debian sources, /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 11:44.49 | milwatts | PerfDave Gnea doleyb it's solved, thx for your help anyway :) |
| 11:44.51 | jayson_I | nop |
| 11:45.09 | liable | Chameleon22: you have the disk mounted |
| 11:45.13 | PerfDave | !tell jayson_I -about msg |
| 11:45.18 | Chameleon22 | liable: yes |
| 11:45.21 | Gnea | milwatts: cool |
| 11:45.21 | kuo | could I find some debian flavoured sources ? |
| 11:45.29 | PerfDave | !tell jayson_I -about msg |
| 11:45.34 | PerfDave | kuo: Read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages. |
| 11:45.35 | valdyn_ | kuo: apt-get source apache |
| 11:45.41 | Gnea | kuo: look at the appropriate shelf |
| 11:45.52 | kuo | i did that, and it gets testing version |
| 11:45.53 | liable | Chameleon22: type 'grub' |
| 11:45.55 | PerfDave | Mmm, Debian-flavoured. Like strawberry, only better. |
| 11:45.58 | kuo | that's maybe why its hard |
| 11:46.03 | PerfDave | kuo: It'll get the version that your APT sources are pointing at! |
| 11:46.03 | Gnea | testing version is good |
| 11:46.13 | liable | Chameleon22: then root (hd1,0) |
| 11:46.14 | valdyn_ | kuo: you are using sarge? that = testing |
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| 11:46.37 | Chameleon22 | liable: root is part of the command? |
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| 11:47.00 | liable | Chameleon22: yep |
| 11:47.17 | Chameleon22 | liable: k will try ... waitng for prompt to pop up lol |
| 11:47.37 | apostle4 | hello, could anyone please, please, please, I prithee thee, help me with mine new Laser Printer in Debian??? |
| 11:47.49 | Gnea | apostle4: no. |
| 11:47.51 | liable | Chameleon22: after that 'setup (hd1)' |
| 11:47.59 | valdyn_ | !tell apostle4 about ask |
| 11:48.08 | Chameleon22 | liable: yup, thats it ? |
| 11:48.13 | Chameleon22 | liable: or more stuff? |
| 11:48.22 | PerfDave | "I prithee thee"? For fuck's sake. |
| 11:48.35 | apostle4 | Dear sir, what be ask? |
| 11:48.35 | liable | Chameleon22: did you do the setup bit? |
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| 11:48.45 | apostle4 | just kidding man |
| 11:48.50 | Chameleon22 | liable: still waiting for grub prompt |
| 11:48.53 | valdyn_ | !tell apostle4 about cups setup |
| 11:48.55 | apostle4 | what's the protcol for asking for help here |
| 11:49.04 | apostle4 | I already tried screwing with cups |
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| 11:49.12 | apostle4 | the problem is that cups isn't running |
| 11:49.13 | valdyn_ | apostle4: to not ask fucking meta questions |
| 11:49.15 | PerfDave | apostle4: Thou mangl'st thy English badly, blaggard that th'art! |
| 11:49.24 | Gnea | apostle4: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 11:49.27 | apostle4 | I did the step by step for debian of over linuxprinters.org |
| 11:49.33 | apostle4 | for my model of printer |
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| 11:49.37 | apostle4 | and ran into a wall |
| 11:49.42 | Gnea | apostle4: and stop being redundant, we know you're hiding soemthing |
| 11:49.42 | kuo | is it enough to change 'testing' by 'stable' in the /etc/apt/sources.list file ? |
| 11:49.44 | valdyn_ | apostle4: follow what dpkg told you |
| 11:50.00 | Chameleon22 | liable: ok got the prompt ... first thing i need to do is "root (hd1,0)" ? |
| 11:50.06 | valdyn_ | kuo: you cant blindly mix stable w/ testing |
| 11:50.11 | kuo | i'm sorry to be so nooby, i know about ports on freebsd but never worked with debian |
| 11:50.17 | Chameleon22 | liable: then "setup (hd1)"? |
| 11:50.24 | liable | Chameleon22: yep |
| 11:50.29 | PerfDave | kuo: If you're running testing, why do you want to install packages from woody? |
| 11:50.37 | liable | Chameleon22: yup |
| 11:50.37 | kuo | k... so i'm stuck with a testing distrib then... |
| 11:50.37 | valdyn_ | kuo: if you are already running sarge, use the sarge sources, im sure they arent to bad |
| 11:50.40 | kuo | game B |
| 11:50.41 | Gnea | kuo: that would be like stepping back off of a cliff |
| 11:50.49 | kuo | :) |
| 11:50.50 | PerfDave | There's nothing wrong with Apache in Sarge. |
| 11:50.59 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:51.01 | PerfDave | kuo: Did you read the APT HOWTO yet? |
| 11:51.02 | valdyn_ | kuo: you may want to read about what debian releases mean |
| 11:51.11 | apostle4 | Alright, I'm not sure what I've done wrong here yet. That's the problem |
| 11:51.16 | kuo | its just that i dont find an handle to start configuring it and installing it |
| 11:51.16 | liable | Chameleon22: no " " of course :) |
| 11:51.24 | PerfDave | kuo: Did you read the APT HOWTO yet? |
| 11:51.29 | apostle4 | Can I talk to one person first off |
| 11:51.31 | Gnea | apostle4: see we don't care what you did wrong - just don't sound annoying when you ask |
| 11:51.32 | apostle4 | ?? |
| 11:51.33 | Chameleon22 | liable: setup (hd1)? thats the second disk ye ? |
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| 11:51.38 | apostle4 | yeah |
| 11:51.40 | apostle4 | okay |
| 11:51.40 | kuo | yup, although a bit quickly, as i'm pretty lost |
| 11:51.42 | apostle4 | no prob |
| 11:51.44 | Gnea | apostle4: and asking to talk to someone is annoying and wrong. don't do it. |
| 11:51.45 | PerfDave | apostle4: Just keep things on channel, that way everybody can help you. |
| 11:51.50 | rofflewaffle | Hi, I was wondering if KDE 0.0.1 is available through Debian yet? |
| 11:51.53 | apostle4 | aye captain |
| 11:51.55 | Gnea | apostle4: it's really simple like this: |
| 11:52.01 | valdyn_ | apostle4: why dont you simply ask a question like "my cups doesnt run, how can i start it?" ? |
| 11:52.02 | liable | Chameleon22: yep |
| 11:52.09 | Gnea | I have this set of Pentium 2 machines that run 2.4 kernels |
| 11:52.11 | PerfDave | kuo: Read it properly, the chapter on working with source packages. It will tell you what you need to know. |
| 11:52.15 | Gnea | but when i compile 2.6 kernels |
| 11:52.23 | PerfDave | !enter |
| 11:52.23 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 11:52.25 | Chameleon22 | liable: can i pm you ... few lines to paste |
| 11:52.32 | Chameleon22 | liable: maybe like 5 |
| 11:52.33 | kuo | ok PerfDave, thank you |
| 11:52.40 | Gnea | they all bring back depmod errors on *EVERY* module - i updated everything and tried sarge and sid on both and nothing works |
| 11:52.46 | Gnea | so stuck with 2.4 |
| 11:52.48 | liable | Chameleon22: yeah |
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| 11:52.51 | Gnea | these are Dell GX1's btw |
| 11:52.52 | apostle4 | Dude, I'm pretty new to debian and linux in general, so, if I ask some questions that seem stupid and then seem impatient its because there are holes in my knowlege, not my head |
| 11:53.01 | Gnea | apostle4: do you see how i formed all of that? |
| 11:53.06 | valdyn_ | Gnea: module-init-tools installed? |
| 11:53.13 | kuo | lol apostle4 :) |
| 11:53.16 | PerfDave | Gnea: Are you running Woody? |
| 11:53.18 | Gnea | valdyn_: yup, it's up to date |
| 11:53.23 | apostle4 | no, I'm running Sarge |
| 11:53.24 | rofflewaffle | Hi, I was wondering if KDE 0.0.1 is available through Debian yet? |
| 11:53.31 | apostle4 | I believe |
| 11:53.36 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.36 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.48 | Gnea | cat /etc/debian_version returns |
| 11:53.48 | apostle4 | How do I get the version on this, that it kernel version for you |
| 11:53.50 | PerfDave | Oh well. They're Dells ;) |
| 11:53.52 | apostle4 | okay |
| 11:53.52 | Gnea | 3.0 |
| 11:53.54 | Gnea | and 3.1 |
| 11:53.55 | apostle4 | thanks |
| 11:54.00 | apostle4 | hold on whilst I do that |
| 11:54.01 | Gnea | yeah i know |
| 11:54.03 | Gnea | but they're remote |
| 11:54.15 | valdyn_ | !tell apostle4 about enter |
| 11:54.19 | kuo | mine is 3.1 |
| 11:54.25 | Gnea | cat /proc/version |
| 11:54.27 | Gnea | is the kernel |
| 11:54.43 | Gnea | PerfDave: yeah it does this on 2.6.10 and 2.6.11 |
| 11:54.52 | apostle4 | damn! It's not working |
| 11:54.54 | Gnea | it's annoying as all hell |
| 11:55.07 | apostle4 | I know that I did it before, however, I can't remember the command |
| 11:55.10 | valdyn_ | Gnea: and you can compile older 2.6.x kernels? |
| 11:55.15 | rofflewaffle | Hi, I was wondering if KDE 0.0.1 is available through Debian yet? |
| 11:55.28 | valdyn_ | rofflewaffle: shut up, stop trolling |
| 11:55.33 | Gnea | valdyn_: well i don't wanna go back before .8 or .9 |
| 11:55.34 | rofflewaffle | valdyn_: no, you are\ |
| 11:55.46 | rofflewaffle | zomg redhat r0x0rs j00 all |
| 11:55.55 | ledet | lol |
| 11:55.59 | Gnea | !troll rofflewaffle |
| 11:56.00 | ledet | rofflewaffle: are you retarded? |
| 11:56.03 | valdyn_ | Gnea: im not asking you to go back, just if compiling those worked |
| 11:56.05 | rofflewaffle | !troll Gnea |
| 11:56.13 | Gnea | valdyn_: right - sec |
| 11:56.14 | rofflewaffle | ledet: no, you are |
| 11:56.14 | PerfDave | :ops rofflewaffle is trolling badly |
| 11:56.20 | PerfDave | !ops rofflewaffle is trolling badly |
| 11:56.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: rofflewaffle is trolling badly |
| 11:56.30 | rofflewaffle | !ops PerfDave is trolling badly |
| 11:56.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PerfDave is trolling badly |
| 11:56.36 | ledet | rofflewaffle: i see |
| 11:56.36 | Gnea | !ops rofflewaffle is being a bad troll |
| 11:56.36 | apostle4 | Hey Gnea, do you know any other universal linux commands that will return the kernel version |
| 11:56.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: rofflewaffle is being a bad troll |
| 11:56.38 | bob2` | rofflewaffle: stop being annoying |
| 11:56.40 | bob2` | bah |
| 11:56.52 | Gnea | apostle4: uname -a |
| 11:56.53 | rofflewaffle | !ops Gnea is trolling badly |
| 11:56.53 | valdyn_ | Gnea: in all likelyness they wont work either i believe but what you said seemed like your problem was specific to those 2 newer kernels |
| 11:56.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Gnea is trolling badly |
| 11:56.56 | rofflewaffle | !ops bob2` is trolling badly |
| 11:56.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: bob2` is trolling badly |
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| 11:57.03 | bob2` | idiot |
| 11:57.04 | Gnea | well fuck this shit |
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| 11:57.41 | apostle4 | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 11:57.43 | apostle4 | k? |
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| 11:57.53 | valdyn_ | apostle4: _what_ is not working? |
| 11:58.01 | bob2` | rofflewaffle: can you stop being useless, please? |
| 11:58.05 | apostle4 | my laser printer |
| 11:58.07 | apostle4 | and cups |
| 11:58.17 | apostle4 | the daemon isn't even running first of all |
| 11:58.18 | rofflewaffle | bob2`: my appologies :( |
| 11:58.21 | apostle4 | the print daemon |
| 11:58.34 | kuo | thanks PerfDave, easy but sound advice : im not stuck anymore :) |
| 11:58.34 | apostle4 | that's the first problem |
| 11:58.38 | valdyn_ | rofflewaffle: no - thats your interpretation - what command does not do what it should, and whats the error message |
| 11:58.43 | apostle4 | if it was running, i could probably get to step two |
| 11:58.44 | apostle4 | ?? |
| 11:58.45 | Gnea | rofflewaffle: your apologies are shit. |
| 11:58.45 | kuo | i'm too hasty... |
| 11:58.48 | bob2` | rofflewaffle: I'll assume someone else was at your computer or something, but please don't let it happen again |
| 11:58.52 | apostle4 | haha |
| 11:58.53 | valdyn_ | apostle4: no - thats your interpretation - what command does not do what it should, and whats the error message |
| 11:59.10 | apostle4 | Gnea: <<I was laughing @your last comment |
| 11:59.14 | PerfDave | kuo: Great :) |
| 11:59.16 | rofflewaffle | Gnea: I'm sorry you feel that way. |
| 11:59.16 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:59.31 | Gnea | rofflewaffle: no you're not, now drop it and discuss something intelligent. |
| 11:59.52 | kuo | it's VERY different from freebsd... didn't think it was soooo much |
| 11:59.58 | apostle4 | Hey Gnea, did you see what I last typed there about cups and my printer |
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| 12:00.04 | apostle4 | about the daemon not running yet |
| 12:00.04 | streuner | Does horde3 work in sid? |
| 12:00.18 | Gnea | apostle4: is that parralel or usb? |
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| 12:00.21 | sly007 | My XMMS plays MP3, i can surf on the web, but XMMS doesn't play URL Locations! How can this be possible? |
| 12:00.28 | apostle4 | I want to go get a cup of orange/grapefruit juice |
| 12:00.32 | apostle4 | brb dude |
| 12:00.33 | jayson_I | bye\ |
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| 12:00.40 | rofflewaffle | Gnea: Hrmph, fine. |
| 12:00.45 | apostle4 | I really need to get this damn thing printing |
| 12:00.48 | apostle4 | that's holding me up |
| 12:00.54 | Gnea | apostle4: is that parralel or usb? |
| 12:00.56 | streuner | sly007: via browser? |
| 12:00.57 | kuo | I'm happy to have found this IRC channel... |
| 12:01.10 | imachine | hey i dont get one thing. |
| 12:01.10 | apostle4 | I'd be much in anyone's debt that could help me get this OS working completely |
| 12:01.14 | apostle4 | me too |
| 12:01.16 | apostle4 | I think |
| 12:01.18 | einsteinmg | how to clean up a local repository efficiently from old packages? |
| 12:01.19 | Gnea | man oh man |
| 12:01.20 | sly007 | streuner, no I just "open location" in XMMS and enter URLS |
| 12:01.23 | apostle4 | so far |
| 12:01.24 | Gnea | you are not reading me |
| 12:01.28 | Gnea | that does it |
| 12:01.32 | Gnea | i refuse to help any further. |
| 12:01.38 | apostle4 | why man?? |
| 12:01.40 | apostle4 | c'mon |
| 12:01.40 | imachine | lol. |
| 12:01.45 | valdyn_ | einsteinmg: man apt-get, search for "clean" or "autoclean" |
| 12:01.48 | streuner | sly007: you got any error? |
| 12:01.48 | Gnea | !troll apostle4 |
| 12:01.50 | imachine | how old are you guys? |
| 12:02.03 | SlimeyPete | we're all 23 |
| 12:02.07 | kuo | lol |
| 12:02.09 | ledet | imachine: 5 |
| 12:02.10 | apostle4 | I need some help with this printer before I get suicidal over here!! |
| 12:02.14 | Gnea | imachine: 2 |
| 12:02.15 | bob2` | come on folks |
| 12:02.18 | kuo | in debian time i'm one day old |
| 12:02.19 | drac | i'm just turning 80 this year |
| 12:02.19 | sly007 | streuner, no error |
| 12:02.20 | ledet | apostle4: then consider answering people questions |
| 12:02.21 | PerfDave | We're all either 22 or 23, just not necessarily in the same number base. |
| 12:02.29 | valdyn_ | apostle4: why have you still not told us the error? |
| 12:02.29 | streuner | sly007: sarge? |
| 12:02.31 | bob2` | seriously, just because it's sunday... |
| 12:02.35 | apostle4 | I just blew like 500$ on the f-ing thing |
| 12:02.36 | Gnea | apostle4: look man, i already asked you if it's a parallel or usb printer |
| 12:02.37 | ep | Well, my system clock was adjusted for DST. One hour in the wrong direction. What's up with this? |
| 12:02.43 | sly007 | streuner, yes |
| 12:02.44 | ledet | apostle4: then make an effort |
| 12:02.51 | apostle4 | it's not an 'err' per se |
| 12:02.52 | streuner | sly007: what does BTS say? |
| 12:03.02 | apostle4 | I told you what's going on |
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| 12:03.02 | imachine | bob2`: hello. is there another perhaphs maybe more ontopic #debian channel on freenode? |
| 12:03.02 | valdyn_ | !tell apostle4 about whine |
| 12:03.02 | Gnea | if you're going to sit there and bitch and complain about stupid shit then i really don't have to help you figure jack shit out |
| 12:03.02 | sly007 | what's BTS? |
| 12:03.02 | apostle4 | CUPS isn't running |
| 12:03.04 | kuo | ls |
| 12:03.09 | kuo | soz :) |
| 12:03.12 | streuner | !tell sly007 -about bts |
| 12:03.12 | imachine | bob2`: i take You are an op here, and not really a mechanical mechanism ;] |
| 12:03.12 | apostle4 | the print daemon isn't even running |
| 12:03.17 | apostle4 | I need to get that running first |
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| 12:03.18 | valdyn_ | apostle4: so start it ( /etc/init.d/cupsys start ) |
| 12:03.21 | apostle4 | and I don't know how |
| 12:03.23 | Gnea | if you refuse to answer my question |
| 12:03.26 | Gnea | then you get no help. |
| 12:03.29 | apostle4 | I'm still new to linux |
| 12:03.30 | imachine | bob2`: since ive unfortunately seen those too around here. |
| 12:03.36 | Gnea | obviously |
| 12:03.38 | apostle4 | what's the question dude |
| 12:03.42 | apostle4 | I'll answer it |
| 12:03.44 | Gnea | scroll up |
| 12:03.45 | apostle4 | I swear |
| 12:03.45 | Gnea | and read it |
| 12:03.54 | Gnea | i'm not going to repeat what i repeated 3 or 4 times already |
| 12:04.22 | PerfDave | 13:01 < Gnea> apostle4: is that parralel or usb? |
| 12:04.23 | imachine | Gnea: just be steady with your words. if you refuse to help, why do you even bother with the conversation? |
| 12:04.27 | imachine | ;] |
| 12:04.50 | bob2` | imachine: this is it |
| 12:04.53 | apostle4 | you mean the uname -a thing? |
| 12:04.56 | apostle4 | I did that... |
| 12:05.00 | bob2` | imachine: just ask your question and tune out the annoyers |
| 12:05.02 | imachine | apostle4: im sure there is docs or mailing lists which can help you out in your hard disk journey. |
| 12:05.06 | Gnea | ok. |
| 12:05.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2`] by bob2` |
| 12:05.08 | imachine | apostle4: google also seems to help. |
| 12:05.21 | Gnea | apostle4: do you know what a USB device is? |
| 12:05.27 | apostle4 | yeah |
| 12:05.30 | PerfDave | apostle4: I suspect Gnea wants to know how your printer is connected to your PC. |
| 12:05.30 | imachine | bob2`: okay. cool. any other discussions here apart from linux questions? |
| 12:05.30 | Gnea | apostle4: do you know what a PS/2 port is? |
| 12:05.37 | imachine | bob2`: or it never gets quiet here? :) |
| 12:05.39 | apostle4 | I've my printer plugged in to a usb port |
| 12:05.47 | apostle4 | it's not plugged into the serial port |
| 12:05.52 | Gnea | THANK YOU FOR FUCKING ANSWERING A SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION |
| 12:05.52 | PerfDave | imachine: It's Sunday, there will always be non-Debian conversations on a Sunday. |
| 12:05.58 | bob2` | imachine: very rarely |
| 12:06.00 | apostle4 | however, I know that the machine recognized it |
| 12:06.07 | apostle4 | you're welcome |
| 12:06.09 | imachine | bob2`: oh my ;] |
| 12:06.11 | Gnea | imachine: this kid is gonna drive me to get drunk i swear |
| 12:06.12 | sly007 | streuner, no bugs about this |
| 12:06.24 | apostle4 | no don't do that |
| 12:06.27 | apostle4 | drinking sucks |
| 12:06.28 | imachine | Gnea: oh dear lord, the humanity! |
| 12:06.31 | imachine | you will DRINk. |
| 12:06.32 | Gnea | ok then |
| 12:06.40 | imachine | ;] |
| 12:06.40 | streuner | sly007: start xmms via cli, you might get some errors then |
| 12:06.42 | Gnea | if i ask you a question |
| 12:06.44 | Gnea | answer it |
| 12:06.45 | Gnea | k? |
| 12:06.45 | apostle4 | pretty much getting high sucks |
| 12:06.49 | Gnea | you asked me a question |
| 12:06.51 | Gnea | so i answered it |
| 12:06.57 | Gnea | least you could do is return the same favor! |
| 12:07.01 | PerfDave | Getting high is fine :) |
| 12:07.08 | Gnea | see |
| 12:07.12 | Gnea | alcohol is a depressant |
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| 12:07.15 | apostle4 | Well, I don't enjoy it anymore |
| 12:07.21 | Gnea | nor do i |
| 12:07.25 | apostle4 | So, I quit doing it, in any form. |
| 12:07.26 | Gnea | it's a relaxor on the weekend |
| 12:07.27 | Gnea | so |
| 12:07.30 | apostle4 | On to better things now |
| 12:07.33 | apostle4 | ...my printer |
| 12:07.33 | Gnea | i quit smoking cigs a few weeks ago |
| 12:07.35 | Gnea | right. |
| 12:07.36 | imachine | bob2`: honestly, i dont know, and i dont mean to offend anyone, since this judgment is only thru irc, but i could bet the average mean age in here is about 16 |
| 12:07.36 | Gnea | so |
| 12:07.41 | Gnea | your printer is USB |
| 12:07.41 | Gnea | good |
| 12:07.42 | bob2` | imachine: it's sunday |
| 12:07.43 | imachine | bob2`: ;-) |
| 12:07.43 | apostle4 | I quit cold a few months ago |
| 12:07.46 | bob2` | imachine: come back on tuesday |
| 12:07.51 | apostle4 | it was surprisingly easy |
| 12:07.53 | Gnea | apostle4: are you familiar with the 'ls' command? |
| 12:07.57 | apostle4 | and I'm that much richer for it |
| 12:08.01 | imachine | bob2`: okay. |
| 12:08.02 | bob2` | imachine: for some reason, sunday brings out all the psychopaths and dumbasses of the world |
| 12:08.04 | Gnea | hehe |
| 12:08.08 | imachine | bob2`: i;ll just hang out in #freebsd. |
| 12:08.08 | apostle4 | enough ... |
| 12:08.09 | imachine | :) |
| 12:08.29 | PerfDave | Gnea: You quit smoking? No wonder you're tetchy ;) |
| 12:08.29 | Gnea | bob2`: stfu :) |
| 12:08.30 | imachine | thats pretty offtopic here also ;-) |
| 12:08.30 | PerfDave | bob2`: It's the hangover from Saturday night ;) |
| 12:08.30 | Gnea | PerfDave: heh |
| 12:08.30 | bob2` | hah |
| 12:08.39 | bob2` | I'm hungover and coding quietly |
| 12:08.44 | bob2` | why can't you all do the same? ;) |
| 12:08.49 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 12:08.55 | imachine | i just woke up. |
| 12:09.01 | imachine | i needed the morning thrill. |
| 12:09.04 | imachine | ;] |
| 12:09.05 | apostle4 | So, Gnea, what do you propose that I do now? I'm sorry if I missed a cue here, this off topic crap is confusing me and I just woke up |
| 12:09.08 | PerfDave | bob2`: I got feck-all sleep last night, I forgot that diet cola contains caffeine and drank two litres :/ |
| 12:09.11 | apostle4 | .* |
| 12:09.18 | Gnea | apostle4: ok check this out dude |
| 12:09.23 | imachine | lol. |
| 12:09.25 | bob2` | PerfDave: hah, dang |
| 12:09.25 | Gnea | apostle4: lsusb |
| 12:09.29 | Gnea | do that command |
| 12:09.37 | Gnea | and tell me what you get for the printer |
| 12:09.41 | bob2` | PerfDave: I often forget coffee has caffeine |
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| 12:10.09 | apostle4 | are you talking about list? |
| 12:10.11 | apostle4 | as in ls |
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| 12:10.17 | apostle4 | how do I use that for the printer? |
| 12:10.18 | Gnea | look |
| 12:10.20 | Gnea | there's ls |
| 12:10.23 | Gnea | and there's lsusb |
| 12:10.23 | apostle4 | sorry |
| 12:10.28 | Gnea | they are 2 separate commands |
| 12:10.29 | apostle4 | okay |
| 12:10.30 | Gnea | you type them |
| 12:10.33 | Gnea | on a prompt |
| 12:10.40 | PerfDave | bob2`: On the other hand, I did stick a new 120Gb drive into my server to replace the 2Gb drive in there, consolidated my home folders from my desktop and server, NFS-mounted /home over the network, and now have a 110Gb data partition to store my oggs on. And I've been playing with user and group permissions to restrict access to my pr0n collection ;) |
| 12:10.49 | Gnea | like this: machine:~$ ls |
| 12:10.56 | bob2` | PerfDave: hahaha |
| 12:11.01 | Gnea | like this: machine:~$ lsusb |
| 12:11.02 | bob2` | sounds like a productive night indeed ;) |
| 12:11.23 | PerfDave | bob2`: I think that vodka and coke helps me sysadmin, I don't get frustrated at grub being shit quite so easily. And I managed to screw drives into the chassis of a running server without breaking anything :) |
| 12:11.44 | bob2` | hahaha |
| 12:11.46 | war- | apt-get question: I want to purge a package that installed 10 libraries that needed it to work, apt-get --purge remove pacakge, how do I make it remove all the libraries that depended on it without doing it manually? |
| 12:11.50 | rofflewaffle | bob2`: FUCK YOU |
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| 12:11.55 | Gnea | LOL |
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| 12:12.04 | simonrvn | duh |
| 12:12.07 | Gnea | rofflewaffle: get the fuck out. |
| 12:12.10 | rofflewaffle | Gnea: FUCK YOU |
| 12:12.12 | rofflewaffle | Gnea: FUCK YOU |
| 12:12.17 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.23 | resiak | *sigh* Sunday, bloody Sunday. |
| 12:12.23 | rofflewaffle | Gnea: IGNORE YOU |
| 12:12.25 | streuner | can someone ban him? |
| 12:12.27 | PerfDave | war-: deborphan and debfoster |
| 12:12.27 | rofflewaffle | resiak: FUCK YOU |
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| 12:12.29 | rofflewaffle | streuner: FUCK YOU |
| 12:12.31 | rofflewaffle | FUCK |
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| 12:12.33 | bob2` | idiot |
| 12:12.34 | apostle4 | alright, I'll try that out in two secs here...let me get my glass of oj and gj and I'll do that and give you the results |
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| 12:12.38 | simonrvn | rofflewaffle: you're dumb, aren't ya |
| 12:12.40 | apostle4 | thanks, Gnea |
| 12:12.43 | resiak | bob2`: Ta. |
| 12:12.50 | war- | PerfDave: ok |
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| 12:12.55 | rofflewaffle | SHITFUCK |
| 12:12.56 | war- | thx. |
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| 12:13.01 | Gnea | lol |
| 12:13.02 | *** mode/#debian [+b rofflewaffle!*@*] by bob2` |
| 12:13.26 | PerfDave | apostle4: FYI, there are many ls-type commands, the other one you're likely to use is "lspci" to list your PCI devices. |
| 12:13.34 | Gnea | now, back to the issues at hand |
| 12:13.34 | apostle4 | Bus 005 Device 003: ID 03f0:1c17 Hewlett-Packard |
| 12:13.40 | Gnea | shweet |
| 12:13.46 | bob2` | serves me right for believing in second chances |
| 12:13.48 | simonrvn | embarrassment to the species.. |
| 12:13.58 | simonrvn | (not you bob2 ;) |
| 12:14.01 | bob2` | and for not helping to solve melbourne's teenage moron problem |
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| 12:14.24 | imachine | well. |
| 12:14.30 | imachine | if we're already playing around. |
| 12:14.50 | PerfDave | Bloody australians ;) |
| 12:14.51 | imachine | how can i get opera installed in debian? |
| 12:14.53 | apostle4 | okay |
| 12:14.55 | imachine | if its possible ofcourse. |
| 12:14.58 | apostle4 | why the Shweet |
| 12:14.59 | Mr_Smoke | Chameleon22, so where are we now ? |
| 12:15.04 | resiak | imachine: Go to their site, get the .deb, dpkg -i foofoofo.deb, done. |
| 12:15.12 | streuner | imachine: install firefox |
| 12:15.12 | imachine | ok. |
| 12:15.21 | imachine | i have firefox. |
| 12:15.25 | simonrvn | hehe foofoofoo.deb :) |
| 12:15.29 | imachine | im building a machine with everything |
| 12:15.35 | Gnea | apostle4: get ready.. i'm gonna tell you what you got |
| 12:15.38 | apostle4 | btw, I already have those foomatic.rip files and such that I grabbed with wget from linuxprinters.org |
| 12:15.39 | resiak | simonrvn: No, foofooFO.deb ;) |
| 12:15.39 | streuner | so why do you think you need opera? |
| 12:15.46 | simonrvn | learning a new language is a pita sometimes |
| 12:15.49 | bob2` | ah, and of course it went to join #ubuntu |
| 12:15.50 | simonrvn | oooh ! |
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| 12:15.57 | Gnea | Hewlett-Packard hp color LaserJet 2550 series |
| 12:16.04 | apostle4 | Yeah, I know that |
| 12:16.09 | Gnea | but i didn't :) |
| 12:16.10 | war- | PerfDave: from deborphan, can I do this for all the orphans? apt-get --purge remove libots0 libhowl0 libflac4 libunshield libdb4.0++c102 libgeoip1 libmpich1.0 libenchant1 libident libwpd7 libavcodeccvs libcommoncpp2-1.0-0c102 libgmp3 libwaili libsdl-image1.2 libtiff3g libmusicbrainz2 libgd2-noxpm libfaad2-0 libsqlite3-0 libcompfaceg1 libgstreamer0.8-ruby libresid-builder0 libkdgantt0 libwv2-1 libgpgme6 libdb4.0 libdirectfb-0.9-20 libsigc++-1.2-5c102 libevent1 lib |
| 12:16.10 | war- | adns1 libaiksaurusgtk0c102 libsmpeg0 libkdegst0.6 libpostproc0 lesstif1 libdivxdecore0 libmorph libsidplay2-1c102 libdbaudiolib0 libopencdk4 libmcrypt4 libgucharmap4 libkexif0 libgnutls7 libkipi0 libghttp1 libxmltok1 libdevmapper1.00 libcap2 libtagc0 libgnutls10 libabz0 |
| 12:16.15 | simonrvn | bob2`: ...and gets banned there |
| 12:16.17 | war- | PerfDave: and I wont have any problems with my system? :) |
| 12:16.19 | apostle4 | I'm not being short with you, but I could have told you that |
| 12:16.21 | bob2` | but of course |
| 12:16.31 | apostle4 | I also have the ppd file for it |
| 12:16.32 | Gnea | right but you didn't |
| 12:16.36 | Gnea | ok |
| 12:16.38 | Gnea | now |
| 12:16.49 | Gnea | you got cups installed right? |
| 12:16.49 | apostle4 | I didn't know that you needed to know that |
| 12:16.49 | resiak | war-: Try it and see what else would get removed. |
| 12:16.55 | war- | ok |
| 12:16.57 | Gnea | this is linux |
| 12:16.57 | apostle4 | I _think_ so |
| 12:16.58 | PerfDave | war-: Dunno, I've not used them myself. See if anything you want to use also gets removed. |
| 12:16.58 | Gnea | not windows |
| 12:17.02 | apostle4 | but it's not running |
| 12:17.05 | Gnea | it's OKAY to give out certain information ;) |
| 12:17.12 | apostle4 | and the _daemon_ isn |
| 12:17.16 | apostle4 | 't running either |
| 12:17.17 | Gnea | just don't give out yer root password and yer set |
| 12:17.24 | apostle4 | haha |
| 12:17.25 | apostle4 | NOT |
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| 12:17.26 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:17.33 | Gnea | ok now |
| 12:17.46 | apostle4 | don't worry bout that one friend it will never happen |
| 12:17.46 | war- | PerfDave: seems ok for now |
| 12:17.54 | apostle4 | I've done many things when I'm drunk |
| 12:17.54 | Gnea | why isn't it running |
| 12:17.58 | apostle4 | and that's not one of them |
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| 12:18.07 | apostle4 | (revealing my root passwd, I mean) |
| 12:18.15 | Gnea | stop. |
| 12:18.19 | apostle4 | or going on the web as root either |
| 12:18.19 | PerfDave | Yes, nobody's every typed "su" in one window, gotten distracted and ended up typing their root password into IRC. Ever. >.< |
| 12:18.20 | Gnea | we're talking about the printer |
| 12:18.24 | Gnea | let's stick to that topic please |
| 12:18.30 | apostle4 | haha |
| 12:18.36 | apostle4 | okay |
| 12:18.41 | apostle4 | Yes, SIR! |
| 12:18.52 | Gnea | now. |
| 12:18.57 | Gnea | ps axf | grep cupsd |
| 12:18.59 | Gnea | ^^ run that |
| 12:19.09 | apostle4 | sir, yes, sir! |
| 12:19.13 | simonrvn | bob2`: i'm *trying* to write a ruby script... been at it for close 2 days now (not knowing the language helps in being slow ;) |
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| 12:19.40 | bob2` | simonrvn: hehe, I bet |
| 12:19.45 | resiak | simonrvn: RTFM un00b kthx. |
| 12:19.47 | resiak | simonrvn: ;) |
| 12:19.59 | simonrvn | resiak: i have, lots ;) |
| 12:19.59 | hail04 | wizard for editing apt-get sources |
| 12:19.59 | apostle4 | done, sir, done! |
| 12:20.02 | hail04 | forgotten lol |
| 12:20.06 | Gnea | and? |
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| 12:20.09 | Gnea | what did you get? |
| 12:20.09 | war- | brb |
| 12:20.14 | resiak | simonrvn: RLOFM kthx :) |
| 12:20.15 | apostle4 | nothing, sir! |
| 12:20.16 | hail04 | I never bloody remember it |
| 12:20.27 | Gnea | nothing like this: 8807 ? Ss 0:02 /usr/sbin/cupsd |
| 12:20.27 | Gnea | ? |
| 12:20.32 | simonrvn | hail04: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:20.40 | simonrvn | hail04: apt-setup |
| 12:20.46 | hail04 | thats the one ta |
| 12:20.52 | hail04 | im noting it down this time |
| 12:21.09 | Gnea | apostle4: ok, as root, type this: /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 12:21.10 | simonrvn | resiak: hehe. be nice to me, it's my berfday today :) |
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| 12:21.31 | Gnea | simonrvn: happy b'day ya n00b ;) |
| 12:21.34 | apostle4 | let me akksk yoos a kwes tyun massuh... |
| 12:21.40 | hail04 | lol happy birthday simonrvn |
| 12:21.41 | Gnea | do it. |
| 12:21.44 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 12:21.53 | apostle4 | ...should I have executed that command as root? |
| 12:21.57 | apostle4 | in a vterm? |
| 12:22.06 | Gnea | it doesn't matter |
| 12:22.08 | simonrvn | oh boy |
| 12:22.10 | Gnea | ps can read |
| 12:22.15 | imachine | met: [; |
| 12:22.17 | apostle4 | okilee dokilee |
| 12:22.18 | met | imachine. :( |
| 12:22.20 | Gnea | so |
| 12:22.24 | simonrvn | can *you* read ps though ;) |
| 12:22.25 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.32 | Gnea | hahahah |
| 12:22.51 | Gnea | cheers #) |
| 12:22.57 | simonrvn | cheers |
| 12:23.11 | apostle4 | hahahah is a command? Should I run that as root? ;-) |
| 12:23.14 | Gnea | that's an ice beast btw |
| 12:23.21 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.26 | Gnea | ^^^ run that as root. |
| 12:23.42 | Gnea | no, hahahah is a reaction. |
| 12:23.51 | apostle4 | bash: cupsys: command not found |
| 12:24.28 | Gnea | this is where we make progress. |
| 12:24.36 | Guerin | apostle4: do it properly |
| 12:24.37 | Gnea | apostle4: apt-get install cupsys |
| 12:25.28 | Gnea | Guerin: the only thing you gotta worry about is the commands |
| 12:25.39 | Gnea | i mean |
| 12:25.47 | Gnea | apostle4: the only thing you gotta worry about is the commands |
| 12:25.47 | apostle4 | can I execute apt-get as a user |
| 12:25.55 | Gnea | it will fail. |
| 12:26.00 | Gnea | you must do it as root. |
| 12:26.01 | apostle4 | it gets debian components, no? |
| 12:26.11 | apostle4 | okay, opening vterm, brbv |
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| 12:27.53 | apostle4 | question: which is the best download server |
| 12:27.56 | apostle4 | or... |
| 12:28.04 | apostle4 | how do I specify the DVD-ROM |
| 12:28.13 | Gnea | no |
| 12:28.15 | apostle4 | I have a DVD that should have CUPS on it |
| 12:28.20 | apostle4 | why? |
| 12:28.23 | Gnea | you have the internet |
| 12:28.33 | Gnea | you are on broadband |
| 12:28.37 | apostle4 | of course I have the internet, |
| 12:28.40 | apostle4 | yeah, |
| 12:28.41 | Gnea | you don't need the cd or dvd anymore |
| 12:28.43 | apostle4 | I have cable |
| 12:28.48 | Gnea | that was installation only |
| 12:28.50 | Gnea | now. |
| 12:28.55 | Gnea | you need to do this |
| 12:28.57 | apostle4 | no it wasn't |
| 12:29.04 | Gnea | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:29.06 | apostle4 | I have many many programs on this dvd |
| 12:29.09 | apostle4 | trust me |
| 12:29.18 | Gnea | you are still thinking microsoft!! |
| 12:29.18 | Guerin | just download them |
| 12:29.19 | Guerin | ffs |
| 12:29.19 | apostle4 | I chose to do a network install |
| 12:29.26 | apostle4 | okay |
| 12:29.32 | Gnea | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:29.42 | Gnea | you will see |
| 12:29.42 | apostle4 | whoa |
| 12:29.47 | apostle4 | wait a sec here |
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| 12:29.53 | Gnea | any URLs? |
| 12:29.56 | colde89 | i get: can not open root device "hda3" after compiling a 2.6.8-kernel with make oldconfig, what cold this be? |
| 12:29.57 | apostle4 | what command do you want me to do first here |
| 12:30.07 | Gnea | i said! |
| 12:30.08 | Gnea | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:30.14 | apostle4 | apt-get [what goes here] |
| 12:30.21 | apostle4 | okay sorry |
| 12:30.25 | Gnea | np |
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| 12:30.38 | PerfDave | colde89: Just use a kernel-image package |
| 12:30.40 | apostle4 | so, do cat /etc/apt/source.list first? |
| 12:30.53 | apostle4 | then do np |
| 12:31.05 | apostle4 | do I have to do those as root? |
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| 12:31.18 | Gnea | np == no problem |
| 12:31.18 | Guerin | !tell apostle4 about pkgmgmt |
| 12:31.26 | colde89 | PerfDaave: but next step i whant to use make xconfig .. |
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| 12:31.31 | Guerin | apostle4: read man apt-get |
| 12:31.35 | liable | Gnea: to get a knife? :) |
| 12:31.43 | Gnea | apostle4: i'm making this so fucking simple for you. |
| 12:31.46 | PerfDave | colde89: Just use a kernel-image package |
| 12:31.46 | Gnea | and yet |
| 12:31.53 | Gnea | you just aren't understanding. |
| 12:31.57 | colde89 | PerfDave: ok .. |
| 12:32.01 | resiak | There is a key upon my keyboard that I would like to assign a name to. I thought that xmodmap -e 'keycode 233 = RightTuxArrow' would do the job, but it appears that I have to define RightTuxArrow elsewhere. Where is this elsewhere? |
| 12:32.06 | PerfDave | colde89: There's rarely any reason to compile a kernel yourself, and as youv'e learned it's easy to fuck up. |
| 12:32.13 | apostle4 | sorry dude |
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| 12:32.41 | liable | PerfDave: aww, come on its not that hard |
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| 12:32.57 | palindro | re |
| 12:33.02 | Gnea | fuck sorry |
| 12:33.03 | PerfDave | liable: For you maybe. For other people it's hard. And 99% of the time it's entirely pointless. |
| 12:33.04 | Gnea | i'm done |
| 12:33.35 | palindro | i'd like to append a file after a certain line in VIM. is that possible? if yes, how is that done? |
| 12:33.43 | PerfDave | palindro: :r |
| 12:34.34 | palindro | PerfDave: :r? you mean like :r/textfile.txt ? |
| 12:34.39 | PerfDave | palindro: Yes |
| 12:34.56 | liable | PerfDave: cant hurt to give it a go though, its all a learning experience and part of what makes linux good, that you can |
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| 12:35.21 | PerfDave | liable: Except that you can make your system unbootable, that's pretty hurty. |
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| 12:35.51 | liable | PerfDave: ah, but you always have your old one |
| 12:36.04 | apostle4 | sorry man |
| 12:36.06 | PerfDave | liable: Except that if you don't know what you're doing it's trivial to overwrite it. |
| 12:36.06 | apostle4 | here we go |
| 12:36.11 | palindro | PerfDave: thanks. VIM RULEZ! |
| 12:36.12 | apostle4 | you want the mirrors? |
| 12:36.22 | apostle4 | or you want me to just do the commands? |
| 12:36.42 | PerfDave | liable: Or to screw up your bootloader so it can't see it. |
| 12:36.45 | apostle4 | btw, np results in |
| 12:36.58 | apostle4 | bash: np: command not found |
| 12:37.36 | PerfDave | 13:31 < Gnea> np == no problem |
| 12:37.41 | PerfDave | It's not a command |
| 12:37.54 | PerfDave | (well, it may be, but it's not relevant here if it is) |
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| 12:38.23 | apostle4 | Hey Gnea, are you still out there? |
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| 12:38.55 | apostle4 | I've one more question for you so I can complete this task here; What is the proper sytax for apt-get? |
| 12:39.09 | liable | PerfDave: point taken, as an idiot myself, I havent done that (yet) but understand what you are getting at :) |
| 12:39.22 | apostle4 | Would I type apt-get http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ |
| 12:39.35 | PerfDave | apostle4: What are you trying to do with apt-get? Typing "man apt-get" will give you the manpage, which describes how the command is used. Or you could try using the FAQ. |
| 12:39.35 | apostle4 | because that gives me an error... |
| 12:39.41 | resiak | !faq apostle4 |
| 12:39.42 | dpkg | apostle4: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:39.42 | apostle4 | Or something else |
| 12:40.26 | apostle4 | Gnea was trying to have me do something to fix CUPS and get my printer working |
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| 12:41.49 | apostle4 | Gnea told me to do a series of commands that included np; unfortunately, the command 'np' resulted in an error "bash: np: command not found" which seems to happen with many commands on this install here. I think that is what Gnea was trying to fix before we proceeded at all. |
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| 12:42.33 | apostle4 | In short, I think Gnea was trying to get me to fix my install with apt-get to fix some missing components first. |
| 12:42.48 | liable | apostle4: surely you jest |
| 12:42.55 | Gnea | i don't work well with illiterate people. |
| 12:42.58 | liable | !sing sunday |
| 12:42.58 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 12:43.19 | apostle4 | what is something with a !before it? is that a command? |
| 12:43.23 | apostle4 | !faq |
| 12:43.24 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:43.35 | apostle4 | ahhh...cool, thanks |
| 12:43.36 | resiak | apostle4: It speaks to the bot. |
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| 12:43.37 | PerfDave | apostle4: Please for God's sake READ WHAT PEOPLE SAY TO YOU. I've already stated that "np" is not a command, at least not in the context of what Gnea was saying to you. It means "no problem". |
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| 12:44.34 | PerfDave | apostle4: If you don't read the advice and help that people are giving you, then they will get frustrated and stop trying to help you, and your problem will never get fixed. |
| 12:45.48 | apostle4 | Well, when I'm switching between vterm's and back here, and I've got and argument on here that is a string of Fuck you's or a bunch of people signing off (Earlier this guy rofflewaffle was arguing with someone) it sometimes makes me miss things |
| 12:45.53 | paulswm | for PerfDave ... |
| 12:45.57 | paulswm | !qotd51 |
| 12:45.57 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 12:45.59 | apostle4 | like I said I'm new to all this too |
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| 12:46.20 | Gnea | ok |
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| 12:46.53 | Gnea | apostle4: do you have a PageUp key on your keyboard? |
| 12:46.59 | PerfDave | apostle4: So get an IRC client that highlights lines which are addressed to you. It's a standard feature in most. It makes it much easier to follow, since pretty much anything that everybody has said to you has been prefixed with your nick,. |
| 12:47.26 | apostle4 | I'm not trying to cause problems intentionally, so for what it's worth, I apologize for being frustrating. It's frustrating to me too. I spent several hundred dollars on this printer and would LOVE to have it print something... |
| 12:47.32 | apostle4 | I hate Windows |
| 12:47.44 | Gnea | PerfDave: i noticed that too. |
| 12:47.54 | apostle4 | If it is the last thing I do, I will get this working under LINUX, If I have to die trying |
| 12:48.05 | PerfDave | apostle4: That's all very well, but we're all volunteers here, and have better things to do than repeat ourselves over and over again. |
| 12:48.13 | apostle4 | yes I do have pageup |
| 12:48.25 | resiak | apostle4: What IRC client are you using? |
| 12:48.25 | Gnea | apostle4: ok let me make something clear to you. |
| 12:48.44 | Gnea | apostle4: there's 2 different languages: computer languages and human languages. |
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| 12:48.53 | apostle4 | BitchX |
| 12:49.00 | apostle4 | is the client that I am using. |
| 12:49.04 | Gnea | apostle4: we here in #debian attempt to bridge the gap between computer and human languages. |
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| 12:49.08 | paulswm | apostle4: Not worth your life, I understand your frustration, but take a deep breath and read carefully what people say and we'll all be happier |
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| 12:49.28 | nemozny | Gnea: :) |
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| 12:50.05 | paulswm | !beat Mushkin for sending paulswm a bad SODIMM |
| 12:50.08 | nemozny | zdar mravence |
| 12:50.24 | Gnea | apostle4: when you sit there and continuously complain, instead of READING and COMPREHENDING what we're trying to tell you, it makes us think "why should we bother to help you if you are unwilling to work with us?" |
| 12:50.28 | apostle4 | I very much appreciate the time and effort that all of you put into this. I especially appreciate the time and effort you have given to me thus far. |
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| 12:50.52 | tuxillo | hi :D |
| 12:50.54 | Gnea | I hope we are on the same page then. |
| 12:50.54 | apostle4 | I will in turn help others hopefully. I have done my best to convert others away from windows when I can. |
| 12:50.57 | Gnea | because if we aren't |
| 12:51.08 | Gnea | I will simply stop helping you and go find something else to do. |
| 12:51.29 | apostle4 | I will do my best to follow your instructions. |
| 12:51.38 | Gnea | you will not do your best |
| 12:51.43 | Gnea | you either will or you won't |
| 12:51.51 | Gnea | your best is doing |
| 12:51.54 | apostle4 | I am new at this, and though I have some computer training, it is mostly from DOS and Windows. |
| 12:52.00 | Gnea | by not doing, you are not at your best |
| 12:52.02 | Gnea | are we clear? |
| 12:52.14 | apostle4 | I will read what you write to me, and yes we are clear. |
| 12:52.18 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:52.20 | Gnea | now |
| 12:52.24 | sussudio | "computer training" = "do not piss on the rug"? |
| 12:52.25 | apostle4 | Thank you. |
| 12:52.36 | Guerin | s/rug/keyboard/ |
| 12:52.37 | PerfDave | Gnea: You are Yoda AICM5UKP :) |
| 12:52.47 | paulswm | apostle4: If you were not initially familiar with Unix, the switch can be a bit of a tech culture shock, and it can be intimidating, but take one step at a time, and have faith that you will get the hang of it, and you will |
| 12:53.01 | apostle4 | I will. |
| 12:53.06 | sussudio | Guerin: i saw a bunny that looked like yours. it was looking at me in a funny way and tried to leap out of its cage. |
| 12:53.08 | apostle4 | I don't believe in faith. |
| 12:53.14 | Gnea | you're welcome. type this in a terminal as root please: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:53.15 | apostle4 | I believe in practice. |
| 12:53.16 | Gnea | and tell me |
| 12:53.19 | Guerin | aww, all the pep talks in here are so nice |
| 12:53.33 | Gnea | do you have a list of URLs? |
| 12:53.34 | paulswm | !prize Guerin |
| 12:53.44 | paulswm | I meant |
| 12:53.48 | paulswm | !prise Guerin |
| 12:53.51 | Guerin | sussudio: bunneh is legion |
| 12:53.52 | norox | what has happened to raidtools2? |
| 12:53.55 | paulswm | :P |
| 12:54.03 | sussudio | ph34r teh bunneh. |
| 12:55.57 | apostle4 | Hey Gnea, do you want me to copy down the URLs and file sources (DVDs, and CDs) |
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| 12:56.07 | apostle4 | I do have a list. |
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| 12:57.05 | apostle4 | Hold on a second, I have to go get my daughter her medicine. BRB |
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| 13:04.45 | apostle4 | okay Gnea, I |
| 13:04.52 | apostle4 | I'm back man. |
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| 13:05.35 | apostle4 | Some brilliant person in this household did something that resulted in a great friggin' spill to clean up in the kitchen for me |
| 13:05.49 | apostle4 | Sorry 'bout the wait |
| 13:06.08 | apostle4 | Okay, so, I got the list or URL's |
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| 13:06.47 | Guerin | type apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd |
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| 13:10.34 | Mr_Smoke | k |
| 13:10.39 | Mr_Smoke | m'off, thanks for your help gents :) bye |
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| 13:10.50 | sameer | hi people |
| 13:11.36 | sameer | can someone tell me some link where i find help for entire booting sequence |
| 13:11.36 | sameer | that is from mbr to shell |
| 13:12.07 | sameer | i want a booting explanation howto |
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| 13:12.20 | sameer | anyone who can help? |
| 13:12.27 | Guerin | manpages of grub/lilo, init, the sysv rc file system and bash |
| 13:12.49 | sameer | well i want a complete booting sequence howto |
| 13:13.00 | Guerin | look at tldp.org |
| 13:13.12 | Guerin | if there's not one there, I expect you'll need to write one |
| 13:13.18 | sameer | ok is it difficult to find it their |
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| 13:16.26 | CyberShadow | when I run Debian under VMware the boot process halts at "Starting MTA". What's this MTA and is it crucial to the system, and if not how to disable it? |
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| 13:17.03 | Guerin | CyberShadow: mta = mail server. it is crucial; typically it'll pause there if there's no network available |
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| 13:17.28 | Guerin | CyberShadow: to get around it, install something like ssmtp |
| 13:18.56 | CyberShadow | Thanks. One more question: where does "apt-get dist-upgrade" store its packages, and how can I copy them to another Debian system to install them there, so it wouldn't have to re-download them from the Internet? |
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| 13:19.26 | Guerin | CyberShadow: /var/cache/apt/archives/ ; use something like apt-zip or apt-move to shift them around cleanly |
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| 13:19.39 | CyberShadow | double thanks :) |
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| 13:23.22 | wykis_[away] | hi. I Am Downloading Debian iso vd with jigdo for windows. Wheni finish downloading it, where willi find .iso image written to? |
| 13:23.34 | Rawplayer | your homedir? |
| 13:23.42 | Guerin | windows has a homedir? |
| 13:23.51 | Guerin | consult jigdo documentation |
| 13:24.25 | wykis_[away] | so if i have Wykis username where do i find the image? |
| 13:24.36 | Guerin | !htfswk wykis_[away] |
| 13:24.37 | dpkg | wykis_[away]: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 13:24.38 | Rawplayer | wykis_[away]: try to work with windows first |
| 13:24.53 | wykis_[away] | :] |
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| 13:25.04 | wykis_[away] | !htfswk Guest1044200 |
| 13:25.06 | dpkg | Guest1044200: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 13:26.31 | honschu | How do these serial joystick driver adjust the Baudrate, Parity, Datalength, ttyPort ? http://lxr.linux.no/source/drivers/input/joystick/warrior.c |
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| 13:30.35 | JRWR | how would i link the fake_windows/windows to my REAL windows folder on theother harddrive |
| 13:30.45 | lewis | cron keeps sending me e-mails, saying: failed to open DB file /var/spool/exim/db/retry: File exists |
| 13:30.51 | JRWR | soican use all the dlls in it |
| 13:31.02 | PerfDave | lewis: Try googling for that error? |
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| 13:31.06 | lewis | any ideas of how I can fix this - using the old (version 3) of exim, for nothing other than cron |
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| 13:31.38 | Guerin | JRWR: symbolic link? you might be able to define your actual windows install as the filesystem to use for c: |
| 13:31.42 | lewis | i did a few days ago, and didn't find anything helpful. while I wait to see if anyone here has had the problem before, i will search again |
| 13:31.46 | JRWR | ok |
| 13:31.51 | JRWR | ill try that |
| 13:32.22 | Guerin | lewis: if you don't need real mta functionality, use ssmtp or similar |
| 13:32.25 | jmont | hiho I use Fluxbox in debian, and I am trying to open my Firefox, but i type: firefox &, and apears: Xlib:connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! (firefox-bin:1241): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 13:32.38 | jmont | do somebody knows what is happening? |
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| 13:34.00 | lewis | bah - turned out to be a official exim bug - fixed |
| 13:34.05 | biggi_mat | hi again |
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| 13:34.52 | penguin42 | does anyone know exactly what 'uncorrectable error' means on IDE - is it specifically a sector read error or is that specific error possable from a cable issue? |
| 13:35.01 | biggi_mat | i compiled new kernel (2.6.11) so now i want to set up local network but i don't have realtek drivers for ethernet card. what should i do? where should i download the driver? |
| 13:35.09 | jmont | hiho I use Fluxbox in debian, and I am trying to open my Firefox, but i type: firefox &, and apears: Xlib:connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! (firefox-bin:1241): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 13:35.14 | Phati`sunshine- | I need german support |
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| 13:35.25 | Guerin | biggi_mat: why did you build a kernel when you clearly have no idea what you're doing? |
| 13:35.29 | bodq | hello |
| 13:35.32 | streuner | !de |
| 13:35.32 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 13:35.34 | Guerin | jmont: we heard you the first time |
| 13:35.40 | bodq | how can I get GNU MP support in php4? |
| 13:35.47 | Phati`sunshine- | !de |
| 13:35.47 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 13:35.51 | biggi_mat | Guerin what makes you think i have no idea what i was doing? |
| 13:36.11 | Guerin | biggi_mat: well, if you did, you'd have built in the drivers for your network card. |
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| 13:36.24 | penguin42 | biggi_mat: You should find the kernel has the support for the driver you want if you can dig through the configure options - unless it is a REALLY new card or a wireless one where they are being pissy |
| 13:36.41 | Phati`sunshine- | thx |
| 13:36.42 | Guerin | biggi_mat: just use a debian kernel |
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| 13:36.51 | biggi_mat | it's not new or wireless |
| 13:36.52 | Guerin | it's be easier for you and easier for us |
| 13:37.04 | biggi_mat | yes Guerin thanks for "help" |
| 13:37.07 | paulswm | penguin42: My experience has been that it is a drive issue, you should have other messages also. If the system hangs and tries to do bus resets and then disables DMA, you prolly have a dying hard drive, in any case I would take this opportunity to back up what you can just in case |
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| 13:37.11 | Guerin | biggi_mat: best advice you'll get |
| 13:37.19 | penguin42 | biggi_mat: Then you should assume it is in the kernel and you just need to find the one to enable |
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| 13:38.28 | penguin42 | paulswm: Yeh the drive has been swapped out so I'm safe; the thing is that the kernel logged an uncorrectable error and dropped it out of an MD raid1, SMART shows that it logged an UNC Error; yet the manufacturers drive tests says it is fine and a full smart test says it is fine, and the smart data shows no remapped sectors - what gives? |
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| 13:39.41 | sameer | can someone direct me to some link where i can find a good booting sequence explanation |
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| 13:39.58 | Guerin | sameer: now you want an explanation, not a howto? |
| 13:40.06 | penguin42 | sameer: How much detail do you want - and are you interested in 386 specifics, boot loader specifics (grub/lilo) or after the kernel has booted? |
| 13:40.28 | Guerin | sameer: you can start with the unix and internetf undamentals on tldp |
| 13:40.34 | sameer | yes |
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| 13:40.49 | sameer | i didnt find any good stuff on tldp |
| 13:40.54 | godsmoke | what package for gnome actually holds/represents the gnome version number? |
| 13:40.58 | Guerin | sameer: i suggest you look again |
| 13:41.04 | sameer | i dont want any boot loader specs |
| 13:41.07 | Guerin | godsmoke: probably one of the libs packages |
| 13:41.15 | sameer | just thinks after the boot loader |
| 13:41.16 | godsmoke | heh |
| 13:41.19 | sameer | to the prompt |
| 13:41.21 | godsmoke | that's a little random |
| 13:41.21 | Guerin | libgnome32? |
| 13:41.31 | Guerin | yeah. for kde it's kdelibs4 |
| 13:41.32 | PerfDave | sameer: Reading through the LFS documentation should tell you this. |
| 13:41.37 | godsmoke | sometimes libs are held back in certain instances |
| 13:41.38 | sameer | great |
| 13:41.47 | sameer | where can i find some lfs documentation |
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| 13:41.54 | sameer | lfs.org? |
| 13:41.59 | sameer | or something |
| 13:42.13 | takatumi | !fgi |
| 13:42.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 13:42.19 | Guerin | !fgi sameer where+can+i+find+some+lfs+documentation |
| 13:42.22 | dpkg | sameer: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=where+can+i+find+some+lfs+documentation |
| 13:42.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:42.29 | Guerin | !beer takatumi |
| 13:42.32 | takatumi | Guerin: ^5 |
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| 13:44.53 | sameer | hey can u people suggest something equivalent to macromedia flash in gnu/linux |
| 13:45.12 | godsmoke | sameer: there are both official macromedia applications, and open source copies |
| 13:45.13 | takatumi | sameer: is this debian? |
| 13:45.21 | sameer | yes |
| 13:45.48 | sameer | cos people ask me stuff like that |
| 13:45.53 | sameer | is mng any good? |
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| 13:46.58 | Gh0sty | hm, new sarge cd just errors when it tries to install base-config |
| 13:47.09 | Gh0sty | gives errors it can't copy :s |
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| 13:47.36 | Gh0sty | is this a known error or my cd being broken ? |
| 13:47.36 | takatumi | sameer: flashplugin-nonfree maybe. |
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| 13:47.51 | sameer | any idea when sarges gonna be freezed? |
| 13:47.55 | sameer | ok |
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| 13:48.53 | takatumi | Gh0sty: which iso? rc3? |
| 13:48.57 | kuo | hem... another question : configure: error: Cannot find libz |
| 13:48.59 | Gh0sty | yes |
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| 13:49.07 | sameer | iso |
| 13:49.10 | Gh0sty | just downloaded cd 1 yesterday |
| 13:49.21 | penguin42 | kuo: apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
| 13:49.26 | kuo | THANKS ! |
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| 13:49.34 | kuo | couldnt find the name of the package |
| 13:49.35 | penguin42 | sameer: Sarge Freeze? Yeh right..... |
| 13:49.41 | sameer | anyone from india here |
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| 13:50.05 | Gh0sty | it gives cp i/o error on console 3 |
| 13:50.10 | kuo | I love india, my family lives there |
| 13:50.17 | takatumi | Gh0sty: try some other iso probably, there are daily-builds. |
| 13:50.33 | Gh0sty | where? |
| 13:50.43 | penguin42 | Gh0sty: I/O error is normally due to an I/O error! Bad disc/media/very very occasionally something full |
| 13:50.53 | green_earz | Gh0sty: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 13:50.56 | sameer | why penguin42 .. i dint get u |
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| 13:51.41 | takatumi | Gh0sty: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ or try burning the same iso on another CD. |
| 13:51.43 | s0undt3ch | hello ppl |
| 13:51.55 | sameer | hi soundt3ch |
| 13:52.08 | sameer | mind for dcc |
| 13:52.08 | kuo | somehow ports on freebsd are easyer to deal with... aren't they ? |
| 13:52.16 | s0undt3ch | I'm trying to install debian on my server, so I'm using debian stable |
| 13:52.27 | Gh0sty | hmm, think i just use the netinstall floppy set, if that doesn't work it beats me :) |
| 13:53.02 | sameer | anyone care for dcc |
| 13:54.05 | s0undt3ch | now, my problem is, I got two eth cards "SMC1233A-TX" from SMC and "EP-330X-V/4B" from VIA, but none seems to work, I've tried almost all logically possible net modules but none seems to find my cards, any help? |
| 13:54.20 | green_earz | Gh0sty: use md5sum to check the downloaded iso, then when its burned use the integrity check cd on the main menu of the sarge installer. |
| 13:54.33 | kuo | hem... make error : undefined reference to `php_pcre_replace' |
| 13:54.45 | kuo | is it an external stuff ? |
| 13:55.11 | s0undt3ch | or were can I get help would also be wonderfull... |
| 13:55.21 | penguin42 | s0undt3ch: Ther eis normallly a 2.4 boot option even on the old debian/stable boot discs, try that - but it is entirely possible your ether card is newer than the ones debian/stable knows about |
| 13:55.41 | s0undt3ch | I was using the 2.4 kernel... |
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| 13:56.29 | s0undt3ch | I also had a 3com at the first installantion attempt, but didnt got detected also... |
| 13:56.31 | penguin42 | s0undt3ch: Nod; cards are probably too new, the easy way out is to borrow an older ether card from something and use that to get going and then later get yourself a newer kernel |
| 13:56.37 | tony_ | s0undt3ch, try smc_ultra module maybe |
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| 13:56.47 | tony_ | for the smc card |
| 13:57.19 | s0undt3ch | I think I did, but I tried a few so, can't really tell, I think I tried all SMC options... |
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| 13:58.08 | tony_ | s0undt3ch, also tulip has been known to work with it |
| 13:58.09 | s0undt3ch | my 3com is "3C905B-TX-NM Fast Etherlink XL PCI" |
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| 13:58.29 | s0undt3ch | I'll have to compile tulip right? |
| 13:59.25 | s0undt3ch | the only working comp I have now has FC3, will this be a problem(If I need to compile tulip), o better, where can I find a pre compiled tulip module? |
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| 13:59.54 | Guerin | s0undt3ch: as long as you're building against identical headers, it should work built on fc3 |
| 13:59.56 | tony_ | s0undt3ch, are you using testing release? |
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| 14:00.22 | davi | [ Sarge 2.4.27-2-k7 ]: What must I realize to enable the /dev/rtc ? |
| 14:00.32 | s0undt3ch | nope stable, It's for a server |
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| 14:00.43 | s0undt3ch | so I was told to go with stable |
| 14:00.45 | war- | Question - Is there a mailing list, RSS feed or such that when a new update is added to Debian Sarge, there is an alert or update sent out? |
| 14:00.55 | Guerin | war-: a new update? |
| 14:01.05 | war- | ie: firefox 1.0->1.0.1 |
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| 14:01.09 | Guerin | war-: news about the release, you mean? |
| 14:01.12 | philipp__ | i want to declare the following depends on a deb-package: the package depends on package a or [b and c], how do I have to write this? |
| 14:01.14 | war- | Guerin: yeah |
| 14:01.34 | Guerin | war-: ok, once sarge goes stable, it won't change; it won't get new versions |
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| 14:01.49 | s0undt3ch | tony_, I have kernel 2.6.770 on my FC3... |
| 14:01.51 | valdyn_ | war-: look at debians mailing lists |
| 14:01.55 | Guerin | war-: by and large, the versions in sarge now are what will end up in sarge final |
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| 14:02.48 | tony_ | s0undt3ch, heres some info maybe it will help you http://www.aboutdebian.com/install3.htm |
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| 14:02.58 | war- | valdyn_: i have looked at the long list (like 300 lists) |
| 14:03.03 | war- | valdyn_: but I have not found one about new updates |
| 14:03.07 | war- | Guerin: ok |
| 14:03.17 | Guerin | war-: debian-security* |
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| 14:03.22 | valdyn_ | war-: debian-foo-changes, debian-security-announce |
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| 14:04.41 | war- | the debian-sec announce is for woody only I found. |
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| 14:04.46 | war- | Ill check for foo-changes. |
| 14:05.07 | valdyn_ | war-: for stable only, once sarge is stable it will be for sarge |
| 14:05.09 | Guerin | war-: that's because sarge doesn't have security updates yet. It will soon. |
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| 14:05.45 | Chameleon22 | i just moved to a larger disk (currently on old disk) and when i boot of it (the new disk) boot process sortof freezes half way through the boot on line "Starting system log daemon: syslogdchmod: changing permissions of '/dev/xconsole': Read-only file system" any ideas guys? |
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| 14:06.23 | war- | ok ok so --foo-changes is a list where if a new package comes out it will send an email? will check for that |
| 14:06.58 | valdyn_ | war-: foo is just a placeholder, its called debian-testing-changes i guess |
| 14:06.58 | Chameleon22 | war-: are you trying to email yoru self when apt-get upgrade has new pkgs available? |
| 14:06.59 | Guerin | war-: you still don't understand how debian stable works. |
| 14:07.02 | kuo | Question : is there an easy way to remove and reinstall apache with another layout ? |
| 14:07.13 | Guerin | war-: there WILL BE no new packages once sarge stabilises. |
| 14:07.19 | Guerin | none, or almost none. |
| 14:07.23 | kuo | i forgot --layout=GNU |
| 14:07.23 | penguin42 | Chameleon22: How did you move to the new disc? |
| 14:07.33 | Guerin | and there will be very few changes to existing packages, too. |
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| 14:07.55 | war- | Chameleon22: yes |
| 14:08.02 | Chameleon22 | wait |
| 14:08.02 | war- | Guerin: sec |
| 14:08.19 | Guerin | war-: just watch debian-security-announce |
| 14:08.20 | war- | Guerin: my point is, as long as I use the 'testing' distribution, Ill be using whatever is next after sarge right? |
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| 14:08.30 | Guerin | war-: yes, and it will change every day. |
| 14:08.33 | Chameleon22 | penguin42: partitioned it, then made xfs fs (current is ext3) , then tar ... | (cd /...newdisk...), then ran grub on new disk |
| 14:08.33 | conrad_10781 | Is anyone familiar with the bootcd package? |
| 14:08.46 | Chameleon22 | war-: i have a script that runs from cron that does that if you want |
| 14:09.03 | war- | Chameleon22: Ill take a look if you dnt mind sure |
| 14:09.06 | penguin42 | Chameleon22: Make sure your /etc/fstab has been reasonably updated |
| 14:09.52 | Chameleon22 | penguin42: it has... basicly just swapped etx3 for xfs on hda1 and then booted of new drive which should be seen as hda since original drive was taken out |
| 14:10.02 | Chameleon22 | war-: hold up will get it |
| 14:10.15 | war- | k |
| 14:10.17 | penguin42 | Chameleon22: Weird - have you got all the xfs tools etc installed? |
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| 14:10.21 | war- | penguin42: XFS is awesome! |
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| 14:10.31 | drac | xfs rocks :) |
| 14:10.40 | penguin42 | war-: Well at least 50% of people say that |
| 14:10.40 | cjohnson | Is the unrar in the sid repository broken? I can't extract any RARs (the same files worked fine on another machine) |
| 14:10.42 | war- | I have xfs on over 1-2tb of disks, hell yea; ) |
| 14:10.48 | Guerin | !unrar |
| 14:10.48 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 14:10.50 | Chameleon22 | penguin42: yes, i did apt-get install xfsprogs |
| 14:10.51 | war- | penguin42: in my review I found xfs the best |
| 14:11.07 | cjohnson | Ah. Thank you, Guerin. |
| 14:11.11 | Chameleon22 | war-: going to message you |
| 14:11.13 | penguin42 | war-: Last time I asked people said xfs- sometimes needed a manual helping hand to recover its journals after a crash |
| 14:11.17 | Guerin | Chameleon22: :) |
| 14:11.21 | Guerin | eh |
| 14:11.23 | war- | penguin42: statistically, it is the most advanced file system, sgi/irix etc |
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| 14:11.24 | Guerin | cjohnson: :) |
| 14:11.27 | war- | chemk |
| 14:11.29 | war- | Chameleon22: k |
| 14:11.32 | Chameleon22 | penguin42: ideas? |
| 14:11.38 | war- | Chameleon22: what is your problem btw? |
| 14:11.42 | penguin42 | Chameleon22: I'm out of them |
| 14:11.43 | war- | Chameleon22: I have done 5-10 migrations myself |
| 14:11.46 | Guerin | war-: does it still have trouble with corruption on power failure? |
| 14:11.50 | war- | Guerin: yep |
| 14:12.01 | war- | Guerin: but other than that it is a stable + FAST fs. |
| 14:12.09 | Guerin | war-: so best for something with redundant power. |
| 14:12.20 | war- | ah |
| 14:12.21 | penguin42 | war-: Yeh now you see the corruption on failure is something I can't live with - recovering my 1.6TB filesystem is something I don't want to deal with if something goes wrong |
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| 14:14.10 | Guerin | if your 1.6T filesystem isn't on redundant power, I suggest you have bigger issues than a choice of filesystem |
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| 14:14.26 | war- | Guerin: reiser is no good (v3) |
| 14:14.30 | Guerin | war-: agreed |
| 14:14.43 | Guerin | and 4 is just bleeding all over the shop |
| 14:14.50 | war- | Guerin: it takes 45min+ to mount a 1.2TB raid, yuck, and ext3 (according to LKML has stability issues when file system is > 4tb) |
| 14:14.52 | war- | yep |
| 14:15.12 | Guerin | war-: ah, interesting, didn't know about e3 and big filesystems |
| 14:15.22 | nagual | xfs? |
| 14:15.24 | war- | Chameleon22: what is your filesystem layout? |
| 14:15.27 | s0undt3ch | tony_, thanks for the link, I'll try to install it from there, it gave me some good pointers.... |
| 14:15.33 | Chameleon22 | war-: what do you mean? |
| 14:15.37 | war- | Guerin: it is not tested well and RedHat only guarantees up to 4 or 8TB |
| 14:15.43 | war- | Guerin: and ext3 only goes to 8 or 16tb |
| 14:15.56 | war- | Guerin: xfs is som number of exabytes |
| 14:15.57 | tony_ | s0undt3ch, yeah its a great page but note that 3com usually work best |
| 14:16.00 | Guerin | yeah |
| 14:16.14 | s0undt3ch | tony_, I'll switch cards... |
| 14:16.25 | war- | Chameleon22: I have moved from ext2->xfs with no issue (with tar) |
| 14:16.34 | Chameleon22 | war-: what do you mean; my fs layout? |
| 14:16.42 | Chameleon22 | war-: what did you do exactly? |
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| 14:17.07 | war- | Chameleon22: booted knoppix and 379] How do I copy everything from one disk to another using tar? tar cf - /d2/x2 | tar xf - |
| 14:17.14 | war- | Chameleon22: and then after that |
| 14:17.26 | war- | Chameleon22: chrooted into it, rm /etc/mtab, vi /etc/fstab, /etc/lilo.conf |
| 14:17.30 | war- | lilo & |
| 14:17.39 | war- | XFS has to be on the MBR |
| 14:17.44 | war- | lilo has to be on the MBR when using XFS rather |
| 14:17.57 | war- | Chameleon22: and then it seemed to work ok |
| 14:17.59 | Chameleon22 | war-: whats 379] ? also, i am using grub not lilo |
| 14:18.25 | Chameleon22 | war-: why did you chrrot into it when you rm mtab |
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| 14:18.55 | penguin42 | war-: So why doesn't xfs sort itself out after a crash? |
| 14:19.03 | war- | penguin42: it does? |
| 14:19.08 | war- | penguin42: always works for me |
| 14:19.17 | penguin42 | war-: But what's that stuff about after a power fail? |
| 14:19.19 | war- | the only issue w/xfs is if uare writing to a file when the power goes out it corupts the file |
| 14:19.38 | penguin42 | just the file being written? |
| 14:19.40 | war- | no |
| 14:19.46 | war- | if you are editing it in a vi session for example |
| 14:19.47 | Chameleon22 | war-: whats 379] ? also, i am using grub not lilo |
| 14:19.52 | war- | if you are just appending (log files) then it doesnt matter |
| 14:20.00 | Chameleon22 | war-: why did you chrrot into it when you rm mtab |
| 14:20.11 | war- | Chameleon22: because that's why I did and it worked for me |
| 14:20.11 | penguin42 | war-: Sorry explain that a bit more - in what cases does it chew it? |
| 14:20.17 | war- | Chameleon22: XFS and grub don't work together |
| 14:20.32 | Chameleon22 | war-: no? many people use it with no issue |
| 14:20.33 | Guerin | oh yeah, you might need a separate /boot |
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| 14:20.34 | war- | penguin42: when I was testing I simply was vi testfile.txt and then pulled the plug (had a few lines written) |
| 14:20.46 | war- | Chameleon22: certainly news to me |
| 14:20.59 | Chameleon22 | war-: m |
| 14:21.02 | penguin42 | war-: Well that doesn't worry me; as long as the bulk of the filesystem and the metadata is safe |
| 14:21.02 | Chameleon22 | war-: mmmm |
| 14:21.05 | war- | Chameleon22: grub has issues w/XFS |
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| 14:21.11 | war- | iunless separate /boot |
| 14:21.19 | war- | penguin42: yes, it is |
| 14:21.25 | Chameleon22 | war-: well my issue is not even that as i mentioned above |
| 14:21.38 | war- | penguin42: I have powered off a few times and I thought my logs would be fuxored but they were ok for the most part afaik |
| 14:21.43 | war- | Chameleon22: you can boot into it |
| 14:21.48 | war- | Chameleon22: seems something sid -related |
| 14:21.55 | war- | Chameleon22: OR, /dev is messsed |
| 14:21.56 | Chameleon22 | war-: i am guessing that to |
| 14:22.14 | Chameleon22 | also possible, so hence after a solution lol |
| 14:22.24 | Luser | Does Debian package the client for Folding@Home? |
| 14:22.30 | penguin42 | war-: Oh well in that case I might give it a go - I know that xfs is a fast writer - what about read performance which is actually my main issue on the machine with the alrge filesystem (its a backup machine and just needs to spit its entire disc contents to tape every day - the rsync at night is fast enough) |
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| 14:22.42 | war- | I would boot knoppix and put in a new /dev (from backup) |
| 14:22.58 | war- | when you use tar, not everything is created the same when you move /dev sometimes |
| 14:23.04 | war- | penguin42: hold |
| 14:23.12 | war- | penguin42: let me get you my analysis article |
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| 14:23.41 | Chameleon22 | war-: well currently i am using original disk with new disk mounted as well, do you suggest i cp original dev into new disk dev again ? |
| 14:23.45 | war- | penguin42: it is the same (read) |
| 14:23.49 | war- | penguin42: in general, here it is |
| 14:23.50 | war- | penguin42: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html |
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| 14:24.07 | war- | Chameleon22: sotp with the all the questions and answer this one |
| 14:24.17 | war- | Chameleon22: when did you copy 1 disk from the other? |
| 14:24.22 | war- | when you were booted to the original disk? |
| 14:24.28 | penguin42 | war-: Thanks |
| 14:24.37 | war- | penguin42: took me a long ass time to write that , np. |
| 14:25.01 | Chameleon22 | war-: about 6 hours ago |
| 14:25.01 | penguin42 | war-: Hehe - what's it like with RAID5? Do you have to tell it about the RAID configuration to tune it? |
| 14:25.13 | war- | penguin42: never tested with raid5 , that was only for a single disk |
| 14:25.24 | war- | Chameleon22: ok there is your problem then |
| 14:25.36 | penguin42 | war-: Nod - I guess most people with a BIG filesystem won't be using a single disc so perhaps it isn't as realistic |
| 14:25.58 | war- | penguin42: well its realistic for the majority of ppl., it was to test FS in generalnot raided ones |
| 14:25.59 | Chameleon22 | war-: ? |
| 14:26.07 | war- | Chameleon22: tell me how you copied 1 disk to the other |
| 14:27.04 | Chameleon22 | war-: used tar ... dont remember exact command ... tar cf something / | (cd /path/to/newdisk ... |
| 14:27.19 | war- | Chameleon22: you did this while you were running on disk1? |
| 14:27.31 | Chameleon22 | yes :/ |
| 14:27.35 | war- | ding ding ding |
| 14:27.39 | war- | very bad idea |
| 14:27.40 | Chameleon22 | :( |
| 14:27.51 | war- | use a boot cd and run the cmd, mount disk1 and disk2 and runthe tar cmd |
| 14:28.06 | war- | that will work |
| 14:28.13 | Chameleon22 | war-: i see |
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| 14:28.20 | war- | Chameleon22: that is how I did a 40->60 and 60->250 |
| 14:28.21 | Chameleon22 | need knopix for that dont i |
| 14:28.30 | war- | Chameleon22: knoppix, gentoo, whatever you want, I used knoppix |
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| 14:28.43 | Chameleon22 | war-: bah will dl knopix then |
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| 14:28.52 | war- | Chameleon22: k |
| 14:29.24 | war- | Chameleon22: I assume after you do disk1->disk2, you will swap cables right? |
| 14:29.35 | war- | so that disk2->disk1 |
| 14:29.49 | Chameleon22 | war-: yeah! |
| 14:29.58 | nagual | how can i save the current windows text to a file in irssi? |
| 14:30.15 | war- | Chameleon22: how big is the 1st disk and 2nd disk btw? |
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| 14:30.59 | mdke | hi all. does anyone know a tool (command line or gui) which can help me rename lots of pictures according to their date information? |
| 14:31.00 | war- | Chameleon22: what I would recommend (if its not a server box), make the first partition swap and the second one xfs (/) and use LILO |
| 14:31.18 | war- | Chameleon22: I have never had an issue upgrading a box to a new hdd like this. |
| 14:31.23 | war- | Chameleon22: after you do the tar, you reboot & switchthe cables |
| 14:31.27 | war- | Chameleon22: then boot knoppix one more time |
| 14:31.36 | war- | Chameleon22: chroot into the root and run lilo |
| 14:31.43 | war- | Chameleon22: remove knoppix, reboot, voila |
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| 14:32.26 | timo | nagual, "/rawlog save file" might be what you're looking for, though not exactly |
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| 14:33.18 | Chameleon22 | war-: will give it a go, downloading knoppix now, i want to run grub though :/ |
| 14:33.51 | Chameleon22 | war-: also, why should swap be hda1 and not hda2? |
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| 14:34.02 | Chameleon22 | or hdb1/2 in current case |
| 14:34.37 | penguin42 | because you blinked while you partitioned it? |
| 14:35.08 | war- | Chameleon22: 2 reasons |
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| 14:35.42 | war- | Chameleon22: 1, the rest of the disk that you write/read data to/from will be faster and supposedly the heads are usually in the middle (which is good if you have a lot of swap accessing) |
| 14:35.56 | war- | Chameleon22: 2. its easier, you make your swap for hda1 and the rest = root |
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| 14:36.04 | Chameleon22 | war-: okies |
| 14:36.17 | PerfDave | Fuck me, but d-i running in qemu is slow. |
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| 14:36.32 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: are you cute? |
| 14:36.39 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: My girlfriend thinks so |
| 14:36.59 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: Depends on whether you go for big hairy guys with piercings and dreadlocks, really. |
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| 14:37.11 | alekseyv | Buenas tardes |
| 14:37.16 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: i generally like girls but hey you never know |
| 14:37.25 | Jon | hi all, does anyone know the maximum kernel size for x86 booting? I want to see how feasible it is to avoid an initrd |
| 14:37.28 | Chameleon22 | war-: whats the tar command you used, i bloodey dont remember what i used i had a note and i missplaced it :( |
| 14:37.43 | war- | Chameleon22: sec |
| 14:37.49 | penguin42 | Jon: It is rare that you actually need initrd |
| 14:37.55 | Chameleon22 | war-: thanks |
| 14:38.02 | takatumi | Chameleon22: sounds flimzy |
| 14:38.11 | war- | Chameleon22: 379] How do I copy everything from one disk to another using tar? tar cf - /d2/x2 | tar xf - |
| 14:38.16 | war- | Chameleon22: just remember to be in the right dir ;) |
| 14:38.32 | Chameleon22 | takatumi: what does? |
| 14:38.33 | penguin42 | jon: Certainly I always do monolithic kernels |
| 14:38.40 | Jon | penguin42: ah good ok. having so many problems with the stock kernels, and the extra initrd stuff just makes live harder :) |
| 14:38.44 | Gh0sty | hm, any md5 sums available from sarge cds?? |
| 14:38.56 | Jon | hm, I wonder if I can avoid having to compress the image too |
| 14:39.00 | Gh0sty | only see md5's from alternate cds :s |
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| 14:39.03 | takatumi | Gh0sty: what's wrong the second iso ain't good either? |
| 14:39.03 | penguin42 | Jon: Yeh |
| 14:39.13 | penguin42 | Jon: No reason not to compress |
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| 14:39.19 | war- | Chameleon22: after that cmd you'll have to mv disk/* . |
| 14:39.24 | Gh0sty | i dunno, i'm wondering if its my cd or the cdrom drive |
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| 14:39.32 | penguin42 | anyway, time for 'Enterprise' |
| 14:39.38 | Gh0sty | i want to make sure to have a good cd first |
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| 14:39.39 | war- | Chameleon22: because all the dirs go into a dir ( /disk/{boot,etc,bin,root} |
| 14:39.44 | war- | Chameleon22: so mv /disk/* . |
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| 14:39.47 | ruzbeh | why is it so damn hard just to install nvidia? |
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| 14:39.49 | war- | Chameleon22: then do the rest |
| 14:39.52 | takatumi | Jon: look at kernel-package |
| 14:40.00 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: It's not hard, it's about three commands. |
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| 14:40.13 | Chameleon22 | war-: whats /d2/x2 and also wouldnt this be more suitable: tar cf - / | (cd /newdisk, tar xf -) |
| 14:40.15 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: And it's only that because the nvidia drivers are GPL-incompatiable and hence can't be shipped with the kernel. |
| 14:40.29 | ruzbeh | PerfDave, well it's not working, I did the 'nvidia-howto' dpkg gave me |
| 14:40.38 | Jon | takatumi: ah yes I'm definitely oi |
| 14:40.43 | Jon | takatumi: ah yes I'm definitely going to use that |
| 14:40.45 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: In what way is it "not working"? |
| 14:40.49 | war- | Chameleon22: it was the source disk |
| 14:40.55 | war- | Chameleon22: whatever works for you |
| 14:40.59 | ruzbeh | PerfDave, apt-get -t unstable install nvidia-glx doesn't work |
| 14:41.00 | war- | Chameleon22: I am just tellin yeah what I used hat worked |
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| 14:41.08 | Chameleon22 | war-: cool cool |
| 14:41.09 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: In what way does it "not work"? |
| 14:41.22 | ruzbeh | PerfDave, well it gives me this huge error |
| 14:41.25 | Chameleon22 | war-: well got to wait for knoppix to dl now |
| 14:41.39 | Chameleon22 | war-: so i shall go and play swat meanwhile. :) thanks for the help |
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| 14:41.45 | war- | Chameleon22: k |
| 14:41.48 | takatumi | Jon: have been using a mostly monolithic .config from about 2.6.7 without an initrd for a while, works fine. |
| 14:41.48 | war- | Chameleon22: good luck. |
| 14:41.57 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: What error does it give you? |
| 14:42.08 | ruzbeh | PerfDave, just a minute, i'll PM you |
| 14:42.13 | Jon | takatumi: brilliant |
| 14:42.17 | valdyn_ | hah |
| 14:42.30 | green_earz | Gh0sty: have you downloaded the sarge net installer and burned it ? |
| 14:42.30 | biggi_mat | i'm trying to set up ethernet card |
| 14:42.47 | Gh0sty | no the full cd set disk 1 |
| 14:42.54 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: /msg dpkg paste - use the pastebot then everybody can see. |
| 14:42.58 | biggi_mat | but when i go to modconf and do it it returns me cannot reigiter module |
| 14:42.58 | takatumi | biggi_mat: which module is it? |
| 14:43.03 | biggi_mat | 8139too |
| 14:43.06 | FieldySnuts | @hump sarge |
| 14:43.19 | takatumi | biggi_mat: self compiled kernel? |
| 14:43.22 | biggi_mat | yes |
| 14:43.29 | Gh0sty | but i'm wondering if the drive can read cd-rw's correctly |
| 14:43.51 | green_earz | Gh0sty: is it a sarge cd ? |
| 14:43.51 | Gh0sty | want to be sure if the iso is right before putting it on cd-r |
| 14:43.56 | drac | biggi_mat: you're lacking support of non-standard 8139 cards from kernel, or you need 8139cp loaded before 8139too can be loaded. |
| 14:44.01 | Gh0sty | yes, rc3 downloaded yesterday |
| 14:44.08 | drac | biggi_mat: look at options below 8139too module in menuconfig. |
| 14:44.18 | biggi_mat | drac i get the same error for 8139cp |
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| 14:44.32 | takatumi | biggi_mat: grep 8139 /boot/config-2.x.x.x |
| 14:45.00 | takatumi | biggi_mat: check if you have those modules with "m" |
| 14:45.19 | biggi_mat | no i have everthing with y |
| 14:45.29 | biggi_mat | takatumi should i change that to m ? |
| 14:45.29 | drac | biggi_mat: CONFIG_8139CP=m CONFIG_8139TOO=m CONFIG_8139TOO_PIO=y CONFIG_8139TOO_TUNE_TWISTER=y works here. |
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| 14:45.33 | ep | To get something to run I created a symbolic link from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 to /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.3. Is this a bad idea? |
| 14:45.33 | takatumi | biggi_mat: then why are you fiddling with modules? |
| 14:45.35 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: It seems that nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source are back in Sarge, so you don't need to futz around with the "-t unstable" bit. |
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| 14:45.50 | biggi_mat | takatumi because it wasn't working before either... |
| 14:45.54 | ruzbeh | X_x |
| 14:46.16 | PerfDave | !info nvidia-kernel-source sarge |
| 14:46.21 | ruzbeh | PerfDave, doesn't work, I get the same error without -t unstable now! |
| 14:46.22 | takatumi | biggi_mat: if "y" didn't work, its not certain if "m" would work either. |
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| 14:46.38 | green_earz | Gh0sty: so let the cd boot and move on with the install untill the network set up, and then pick go back at the bottom of the screen, keep going back untill you get to the main install menu and pick check cd integrity |
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| 14:47.07 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: Please paste the error into a pastebot, preferably along with your sources.list and apt.conf files |
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| 14:47.19 | Gh0sty | k |
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| 14:47.38 | dae__ | Could someone tell me what is going on in a situation like this: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libgeda It looks like a circular dependency to me ? |
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| 14:48.18 | paster | "Ruzbeh" at 80.60.205.101 pasted "apt-get -t unstable install nvidia-glx ERROR" (34 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/399 |
| 14:48.24 | Champagne | hi guys, is smbadduser missing on debian? is there another way to add samba users? |
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| 14:48.47 | maroq | helo I have one proble I want fixes bud cmd5checkpw I can do that under debian ? |
| 14:48.52 | green_earz | Gh0sty: if all check out ok abort the install, then start a install with linux26 at the very first promtp of the boot. that will install the 2.6 kernel and it then ready for your burner |
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| 14:49.24 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: Ooh, I've seen that earlier today. There appears to be a broken dependency with nvidia-glx in Sarge. Hang on, I'll check how to fix it. |
| 14:50.07 | ruzbeh | PerfDave, I get the exaxt same error if I do -t unstable in that command, with or without that option i get the same error! |
| 14:50.17 | maroq | helo I have one proble I want fixes bud cmd5checkpw I can do that under debian ? |
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| 14:51.04 | PerfDave | maroq: I'm afraid that makes no sense whatsoever. Try to use more comprehensible English, or join a channel for Debian support in your native language. |
| 14:51.22 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: *nods* It's because you're trying to use the nvidia-kernel packages. You shouldn't have this problem if you're using module-assistant. I believe that the correct answer is to install an old version of nvidia-glx from http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 14:52.03 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: Downloading and installing http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/02/21/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629+1-2_i386.deb with dpkg may work |
| 14:52.09 | maroq | Under gentoo the cmd5checkpw have bug !!! |
| 14:52.14 | ep | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.29 | biggi_mat | nothig better... i get object_register failed |
| 14:52.34 | biggi_mat | or something like that.. |
| 14:52.34 | maroq | Debian have the same bug ? |
| 14:52.39 | ruzbeh | PerfDave, big thanks >:) |
| 14:52.49 | streuner | ep: why do you think you need this? |
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| 14:53.02 | streuner | ep: sarge? |
| 14:53.03 | Champagne | hi guys, is smbadduser missing on debian? is there another way to add samba users? |
| 14:53.04 | christor | Please I search help for MRTG? |
| 14:53.05 | PerfDave | maroq: To check for bugs in Debian packages, use http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 14:53.12 | PerfDave | !tell maroq -about msg |
| 14:53.24 | Gh0sty | hmm, its the fucking drive |
| 14:53.29 | PerfDave | Champagne: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:53.34 | PerfDave | christor: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:53.38 | streuner | ep: besides, if you have to ask, yes. |
| 14:53.44 | Gh0sty | where i my hammer, gonna take my revenge on the cdrom drive |
| 14:54.14 | takatumi | !rube goldberg install |
| 14:54.15 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 14:54.19 | biggi_mat | when i'm trying to load module 8139 i get object_register failed...what should i do, any idea? |
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| 14:54.26 | green_earz | Gh0sty: have you check the cd integrity from the installer main menu ? |
| 14:54.45 | ep | Desktop....sarge, yes. I wanted to try out a package (hearts game). Not available via apt-get. So i downloaded a linux binary. It wouldnt run until i made the aforementioned change. |
| 14:54.48 | dae__ | Champagne: I can't really remember, but what about mksmbpasswd ? |
| 14:54.49 | Gh0sty | didn't even got that far, its the drive not reading my cd-rw |
| 14:55.03 | Gh0sty | it just got trashed now a bit earlier in the install process :) |
| 14:55.10 | Gh0sty | burning a cd-r |
| 14:55.16 | takatumi | biggi_mat: if its "y" its not loadable as a module. |
| 14:55.18 | streuner | ep: show us the error in #flood |
| 14:55.28 | biggi_mat | takatumi i changed it to m |
| 14:56.04 | Champagne | dae__: the same answer "command not found" |
| 14:56.10 | maroq | If I can't find info abaut cmd5check on http://bugs.debian.org/ that means cmd5checkpw under debian not have bug (like gentoo)? |
| 14:56.15 | ruzbeh | PerfDave, I can't install that nvidia-glx, it depends on nvidia-kernel, I try to install that, but that depends on dpatch, so I try to install dpatch but it doesn't work >_> it says it depends on nvidia-glx but I'm not sure |
| 14:56.28 | green_earz | Gh0sty: it may be the cd media thats the problem, burns ok but the cd can still have a fault on it |
| 14:56.55 | dae__ | Champagne: It's in the package samba, as /usr/sbin/mkpasswd |
| 14:56.55 | Gh0sty | no, tried with 2 cd-rw's but they both trash on a different point |
| 14:56.55 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: Gah, that sounds unhelpful. Have you tried using the module-assistant method outlined in that HOWTO? You probably want to remove any unconfigured packages first. |
| 14:56.58 | takatumi | Gh0sty: what OS do you have on it now? |
| 14:57.14 | dae__ | Champagne: err: /usr/sbin/mksmbpasswd |
| 14:57.20 | ruzbeh | PerfDave, I thought that module-assistant wasn't necessary or something |
| 14:57.21 | ep | I'd have to remove the link to get the error back i've lost it. Something about libstdc++.so.3 not found |
| 14:57.21 | Gh0sty | the cdrom drive is an old piece of junk, tought it read cd-rw guess it doesn't :) |
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| 14:57.34 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: I've always used it, and never had problems. |
| 14:57.56 | streuner | ep: so you didn't find it in debian? |
| 14:57.56 | ruzbeh | Ok im doing it |
| 14:58.04 | Gh0sty | takatumi: now its a loose motherboard on my desk :p |
| 14:58.07 | maroq | If I can't find info abaut cmd5check on http://bugs.debian.org/ that means cmd5checkpw under debian not have bug (like gentoo)? |
| 14:58.14 | streuner | !find libstdc++.so.3 |
| 14:58.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so.3' returned no results. |
| 14:58.29 | PerfDave | maroq: It means nobody's reported a bug that's still open. |
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| 14:59.06 | Champagne | dae__ it works now, I'm reading man pages in order to know how to use it, thanks |
| 14:59.07 | PerfDave | libstdc++.so.3 is about five years old, lots of legacy Linux stuff needs it. |
| 14:59.13 | maroq | ok thanks ... |
| 14:59.15 | streuner | ep: we need the _exact_ error-message. |
| 14:59.24 | ep | streuner, well i didn't look because i already have libstdc++.so.5.0.7 |
| 14:59.59 | ep | ok i'm going to remove the link anyway |
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| 15:01.08 | streuner | well, its part of libstdc++3 package... |
| 15:01.35 | streuner | !info libstdc++3 sarge |
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| 15:01.53 | streuner | !info libstdc++3 sid |
| 15:01.56 | PerfDave | streuner: !info doesn't seem to be working currently. |
| 15:02.05 | flawd | how do I make my USB digital camera accesible by a normal user (not root)? |
| 15:02.05 | green_earz | Gh0sty: check out the link here for the sarge net installer 110 meg, there a md5sum file there, download the iso and check it against the md5sum > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/rc3/ |
| 15:02.15 | PerfDave | flawd: Put the user in group "camera"? |
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| 15:02.59 | flawd | ty PerfDave |
| 15:03.40 | pjm31 | Does anybody know a well-supported Webcam model with Debian ? |
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| 15:04.01 | PerfDave | pjm31: My Logitech QuickCam USB works with third-party drivers installable with module-assistant on Sarge. |
| 15:04.03 | streuner | pjm31: use gphoto website |
| 15:04.23 | td | hey can somebody help me with windowmaker |
| 15:04.35 | td | I set the background, but everytime I log out it changes |
| 15:04.57 | td | so I was wondering which file to edit ro something to fix it so that I have one background |
| 15:05.17 | pjm31 | I also got a Logitech QuickCam Messenger USB. which drivers ? |
| 15:05.51 | streuner | pjm31: gphoto website has some tips and where you can find the drivers |
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| 15:08.02 | PerfDave | pjm31: apt-cache search quickcam |
| 15:08.14 | PerfDave | pjm31: and use module-assistant to install them |
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| 15:08.33 | ep | streuner, I posted the error on flood |
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| 15:09.16 | pjm31 | thanks PerfDave |
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| 15:11.24 | alexscott_2 | help me plz http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=36438 |
| 15:12.08 | PerfDave | alexscott_2: Why are you trying to compile a kernel instead of using a kernel-image package? |
| 15:12.22 | ep | !info gave me error messages as well |
| 15:12.53 | alexscott_2 | lol PerfDave |
| 15:13.56 | PerfDave | alexscott_2: I wasn't joking. |
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| 15:14.03 | sussudio | !sunday |
| 15:14.03 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 15:14.12 | PerfDave | alexscott_2: What kernel are you trying to compile, what version of Debian are you running? |
| 15:14.19 | sussudio | alexscott_2: everything is funny to the simple. |
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| 15:14.44 | streuner | he want to compile 2.6.10, and that's not in sarge... |
| 15:14.49 | nomed^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.56 | nomed^ | ops |
| 15:14.59 | alexscott_2 | ure so stupid PerfDave |
| 15:15.03 | streuner | !tell nomed^ about xorg |
| 15:15.12 | nomed^ | :P |
| 15:15.18 | PerfDave | alexscott_2: Well, that's fucked your chances of getting any help from me, shitwit. |
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| 15:15.19 | nomed^ | bad paste |
| 15:15.24 | FieldySnuts | @lart alexscott and alexscott_2 |
| 15:15.33 | streuner | alexscott: nobody ask you, /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 15:15.53 | alexscott_2 | tx streuner i always forget dpkg :P |
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| 15:16.38 | alexscott_2 | <PerfDave> alexscott_2: Why are you trying to compile a kernel instead of using a kernel-image package? <<< [no comments] |
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| 15:17.08 | Rebecca | hello :) |
| 15:17.21 | streuner | alexscott: kernel-images are pre-compiled packages which are easy to install and work for most users |
| 15:17.27 | td | hey can somebody help me with alsamixer? |
| 15:17.29 | valdyn_ | alexscott_2: so? do you know why you are? |
| 15:17.34 | td | I dont know where the config file is to edit |
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| 15:17.58 | PerfDave | !hello Rebecca |
| 15:18.09 | chaps0063 | Hi, where do I look for grub.conf to edit the default boot OS? |
| 15:18.11 | Rebecca | i recently installed debian on my new computer.. and when it boots i see a message saying my ide is running at 33speed.. how to a make it faster.. i have a SATA drive |
| 15:18.17 | alexscott_2 | right streuner .... but if you want to compile a kernel |
| 15:18.20 | PerfDave | chaps0063: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:18.25 | Rebecca | or is that my dvd drive giving the message? |
| 15:18.33 | PerfDave | Rebecca: If you've got DMA enabled (check with hdparm) then it doesn't matter. |
| 15:18.41 | alexscott_2 | its funny thats some guys say U to use kernel-image ... |
| 15:18.44 | chaps0063 | thanks PerfDave |
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| 15:18.47 | DarknessX | I was here a while ago, having the same problem I'm having now (only then I had updated the driver; now I've updated the kernel), but I can't remember exactly what I did to fix it. I had an error saying "API Mismatch: the kernel module is X version, but this module is Y version". I remember doing something with removing and replacing the module and having it work. So far, I've tried 'rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia', but it isn |
| 15:18.58 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: if you had the full message.. |
| 15:19.06 | td | hey can soebody tell me whre the alsamixer config file is? |
| 15:19.10 | nomed^ | is new sarge release a coming soon ? |
| 15:19.14 | abrotman | why is it funny? |
| 15:19.18 | abrotman | nomed^: /topic |
| 15:19.23 | PerfDave | nomed^: When it's ready. Hopefully in the next few weeks. |
| 15:19.38 | streuner | alexscott_2: no, its not - as i said before, they work very well for a lot of users, so you should be able to tell us a reason |
| 15:19.43 | Rebecca | hang on, just installing hdparm |
| 15:19.51 | nomed^ | so it's a coming soon ... gooood |
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| 15:20.18 | ep | he's a secret agent |
| 15:20.34 | streuner | alexscott: what's wrong with the 2.6.8 kernel in sarge? |
| 15:20.41 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: depending on your driver /proc/ide/<foo> might do it ( better ) |
| 15:21.06 | green_earz | nomed^: are runing sarge if not check out the its net installer http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/rc3/ |
| 15:21.24 | chaps0063 | PerfDave, and to change the default, I just put the one I want it to boot to at the very top? |
| 15:21.31 | Rebecca | ice:~# hdparm -d /dev/sda |
| 15:21.31 | Rebecca | /dev/sda: |
| 15:21.39 | PerfDave | chaps0063: Read the grub documentation, I'm afraid I don't know. |
| 15:21.56 | chaps0063 | ok, thanks. I think thats what it said I just wanted to double check...trying now...(thanks) |
| 15:22.08 | [_-ViCiOuS-_] | Hi i have a big problem with mountig partitions from my hdb .. everytime i try to mount a partition from hdb (my /usr partition is hdb3) i get the message device oder /usr is busy. if i boot from my slackware cd, i can mount the hdb partition (also when i chroot to my root device) |
| 15:22.14 | alexscott_2 | too big, and i have some bugs with it |
| 15:22.24 | abrotman | define bugs |
| 15:22.50 | nomed^ | green_earz, i used net installer 6 month ago :) |
| 15:22.50 | Rebecca | sorry.. im not sure what im looking for |
| 15:23.03 | [_-ViCiOuS-_] | No partition have an error when i check with reiserfsck |
| 15:23.15 | PerfDave | "too big". Pinhead. |
| 15:23.23 | nomed^ | i was just wondering to know when i can try debian ver of xorg |
| 15:23.27 | green_earz | nomed^: same here and i like how its moved on. |
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| 15:23.41 | abrotman | nomed^: /topic |
| 15:23.53 | PerfDave | abrotman: We've been there, he's already done the xorg thing ;) |
| 15:23.56 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: "dmesg | grep hd" |
| 15:23.57 | [_-ViCiOuS-_] | Nope .. its only 20 gb big, and i had the problem only after updating grub, befor updating grub it works |
| 15:24.04 | nomed^ | they made a really good job on xfree .. i'm sure it'll be the same for xorg |
| 15:24.32 | Rebecca | valdyn_: i see lots of these: |
| 15:24.33 | Rebecca | hdb: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 15:24.33 | Rebecca | hdb: packet command error: error=0x54 |
| 15:24.38 | PerfDave | Rebecca: Hmm, maybe hdparm / DMA works differently with SATA drives. |
| 15:24.39 | nomed^ | abrotman, i know thanks .. i was just ansfering to green_earz |
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| 15:24.51 | streuner | Rebecca: HD says 'Hasta la vista'... |
| 15:25.17 | streuner | oh, sorry didn't read /lastlog |
| 15:25.21 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: this error could be many different things, i was looking for something else ( above those errors ) |
| 15:25.30 | [_-ViCiOuS-_] | i can mount the partition under my slackware live cd .. |
| 15:25.33 | Rebecca | my hdd is /dev/sda |
| 15:25.42 | [_-ViCiOuS-_] | und it worked bevore reinstalling grub |
| 15:25.47 | Rebecca | according to fstab |
| 15:26.06 | PerfDave | There should be a "packet command error" factoid :) |
| 15:27.05 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: theres no problem with sda though? |
| 15:27.08 | abrotman | PerfDave: you know how to make one :) |
| 15:27.33 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yeah, I don't know what to put in it though ;p |
| 15:27.44 | abrotman | can you use hdparm with sata? |
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| 15:28.14 | valdyn_ | abrotman: to some extent at least, not sure how far |
| 15:28.39 | abrotman | valdyn_: just wondering since it doesn't work with scsi |
| 15:28.48 | alexscott_2 | streuner, apm emulation too ... |
| 15:29.01 | abrotman | apm ... how old is this computer? |
| 15:29.12 | streuner | abrotman: that would be new to me, if hdparm supports SCSI |
| 15:29.17 | abrotman | are they even still working on apm .. i thought it was bascailly dead |
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| 15:29.25 | valdyn_ | Rebecca / abrotman: hdparm -tT /dev/sda should give reasonable values to see interface speed, and an error message |
| 15:29.43 | abrotman | valdyn_: yes .. but can you tune a sata drive(like you can with ide) |
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| 15:29.57 | streuner | alexscott_2: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 15:30.04 | Rebecca | /dev/sda: |
| 15:30.05 | Rebecca | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.05 | Rebecca | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.23 | nagual | Rebecca: wanna marry me? |
| 15:30.26 | alexscott_2 | kp ??? |
| 15:30.32 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: that is perfectly fine |
| 15:30.33 | Rebecca | lol |
| 15:30.35 | streuner | !kp |
| 15:30.35 | dpkg | i heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 15:30.39 | Rebecca | yay, thanks :) |
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| 15:31.18 | valdyn_ | abrotman: not sure, it does not even display the dma setting so i doubt it makes sense to tweak that |
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| 15:31.30 | acidc0re_ | http://localhost/cgi-bin/dpkg |
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| 15:31.37 | acidc0re_ | no packages found |
| 15:31.39 | abrotman | Rebecca: this is a sata drive? |
| 15:31.39 | acidc0re_ | any help ? |
| 15:31.51 | acidc0re_ | i changed nothing |
| 15:31.53 | abrotman | who the hell would put dpkg in the cgi-bin dir? |
| 15:31.57 | acidc0re_ | and worked yesterday |
| 15:32.05 | Rebecca | so.. that brings me back to my dvd drive.. it must be the thing running at 33mhz |
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| 15:32.23 | acidc0re_ | the package dpkg-www ? :) |
| 15:32.24 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: thats is perfectly fine aswell |
| 15:32.35 | Rebecca | abrotman: yeah. 160gb seagate |
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| 15:32.43 | abrotman | Rebecca: and your controller is? |
| 15:33.11 | Rebecca | valdyn_: shouldnt it run at 66mhz? |
| 15:33.27 | Rebecca | abrotman: KA8VM800M iirc |
| 15:33.34 | streuner | alexscott_2: if you still get problems, ask in #debianppc as well |
| 15:33.39 | abrotman | Rebecca: the sata chipset |
| 15:33.42 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: i have no idea about mhz, thats not what it is, its "dma 33" afaik |
| 15:33.51 | Rebecca | GA-K8VM800M* |
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| 15:34.04 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: thats what modern dvd drives run at |
| 15:34.10 | abrotman | Rebecca: afaik .. that's a motherboard model |
| 15:34.19 | Rebecca | abyeah |
| 15:34.23 | Rebecca | yeah* |
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| 15:34.32 | abrotman | a gigabyte .. but what is the chipset for the sata controller .. lspci |
| 15:34.41 | alexscott_2 | streuner, #debianppc tx :) |
| 15:34.58 | Rebecca | via vt8237 |
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| 15:35.09 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 15:35.13 | valdyn_ | abrotman: i have the same chipset: 160 MB in 3.03 seconds = 52.73 MB/sec |
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| 15:35.19 | valdyn_ | abrotman: so its ok |
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| 15:35.35 | abrotman | valdyn_: i was wondering if perhaps Rebecca was experiencing the sata_sil bug |
| 15:35.51 | Rebecca | what's that? |
| 15:35.52 | abrotman | bodq: gnu mp ? |
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| 15:36.10 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: different chipset |
| 15:36.19 | abrotman | Rebecca: a bug that exists between sil and seagate drives sucks about 50% of the performance to avoid data corrumption |
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| 15:36.37 | Rebecca | okay |
| 15:37.09 | abrotman | Rebecca: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2999 .. kind of is part of it .. but there is an array in the sil driver that shows all affected drives |
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| 15:38.26 | abrotman | Rebecca: also .. http://leenooks.com/213 .. but i guess this doesnt' affect you anyways ... just more proof sil sucks :) |
| 15:38.52 | Rebecca | what is sil? |
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| 15:39.07 | cbr | what's the name of the sun jre package in debian? |
| 15:39.09 | abrotman | Rebecca: a company that makes SATA controllers |
| 15:39.15 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: Silicon Image |
| 15:39.16 | abrotman | !tell cbr about java |
| 15:39.18 | streuner | cbr: /msg dpkg java |
| 15:39.20 | abrotman | !tell cbr about java-package |
| 15:39.28 | Rebecca | my drive is ST3160827AS |
| 15:39.37 | Rebecca | if that makes a difference, hehe |
| 15:40.17 | streuner | Seagate made really good SCSI drives... |
| 15:40.56 | abrotman | streuner: it's just a bug between sil and seagate .. no other controller/drive combo does it afaik |
| 15:41.59 | usuario | Where can I find a i386 deb for the nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 for 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 15:41.59 | abrotman | streuner: i only know because a host i use has the issue |
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| 15:42.21 | ep | I'd avoid seagate if i had SATA.... i can only dream |
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| 15:42.40 | abrotman | nothing wrong with them IMO .. and most of them have NCQ afaik |
| 15:42.47 | abrotman | i blame Sil :) |
| 15:42.51 | Rebecca | mine does :D |
| 15:42.53 | Rebecca | hehe |
| 15:43.21 | valdyn_ | usuario: which package exactly? |
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| 15:44.21 | cbr | and how do i install the .deb package? |
| 15:44.22 | usuario | valdyn_: Well, it's for debian I expect it to be: nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-*-386 |
| 15:44.28 | markybob | cbr, dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 15:44.31 | valdyn_ | usuario: as far as i can see theres no precompiled modules for that one yet, you have to make them |
| 15:44.32 | cbr | ah |
| 15:44.34 | cbr | thanks |
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| 15:45.09 | valdyn_ | !tell usuario about nvidia one-liner |
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| 15:45.12 | usuario | valdyn_: last time, I had to grab them third part |
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| 15:46.01 | Kbyte | usuario: use module-assistant and build your own package |
| 15:46.11 | abrotman | use nvidia one liner |
| 15:46.17 | ep | join #c++ |
| 15:46.19 | valdyn_ | usuario: nvidia-modules-i386 1.0.7167+1 is the old one, the new one compiled module is not in sarge nor sid, you have to compile it, see what dpkg told you |
| 15:46.38 | abrotman | ep: need a / ? |
| 15:46.59 | valdyn_ | usuario: actually, for your kernel there never was a compiled module, so were confusing something |
| 15:47.07 | cbr | use the package from nvidia.com |
| 15:47.10 | cbr | it works well |
| 15:47.16 | PerfDave | cbr: No, don't do that. |
| 15:47.19 | valdyn_ | cbr: no it doesnt |
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| 15:47.22 | ledet | cbr: yuk! |
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| 15:47.43 | cbr | PerfDave: why not? |
| 15:47.51 | cbr | you get the latest one |
| 15:47.55 | cbr | and it works (tm) |
| 15:47.59 | valdyn_ | cbr: apt-get --reinstall install xlibmesagl should break it for you, try if you like |
| 15:48.00 | k3k0 | what is good antivirus for debian ? |
| 15:48.01 | abrotman | lastest!=best |
| 15:48.04 | paulswm | If you depart from the Debian Way, the Force will diminish |
| 15:48.13 | ledet | k3k0: clamav perhaps |
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| 15:48.42 | PerfDave | !nvidia installer |
| 15:48.42 | dpkg | [nvidia installer] a script available from nvidia.com which installs nvidia drivers for you. However, it overwrites files that apt owns, which can get overwritten themselves when X is upgraded, leading to random breakage. Ask me about "nvidia-howto" or just "nvidia" |
| 15:48.45 | cbr | what's the debian package for nvidia then? |
| 15:48.47 | k3k0 | ledet: for home use |
| 15:48.53 | k3k0 | =) |
| 15:48.57 | ledet | k3k0: yes? |
| 15:49.19 | valdyn_ | !tell cbr about nvidia drivers |
| 15:49.24 | valdyn_ | !tell cbr about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:49.43 | k3k0 | ledet: nothink =) thnx |
| 15:49.44 | abrotman | no - in the second i don't htink |
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| 15:51.07 | PerfDave | !nvidia-howto |
| 15:51.07 | dpkg | well, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. |
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| 15:54.06 | cbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.14 | abrotman | and? |
| 15:54.17 | abrotman | what's wrong with that? |
| 15:54.20 | cbr | i don't live by that though |
| 15:54.30 | abrotman | sorry about your luck |
| 15:54.45 | Raf256 | hi there |
| 15:54.52 | Raf256 | I cant get my ifrename to work |
| 15:54.54 | Raf256 | shit |
| 15:55.07 | Raf256 | should I add someting tos some rc/init.d after apt-get ifrename? |
| 15:55.23 | cbr | so the "trick" of installing it "the debian way" is to do "apt-get install nvidia-glx"?? |
| 15:55.30 | Raf256 | my /etc/inittab contains line like "eth0 mac 00:11:..." but it doesnt work. |
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| 15:56.08 | Gnea | Raf256: uh |
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| 15:56.23 | abrotman | Gnea: uh indeed :) |
| 15:56.26 | Gnea | Raf256: are you trying to rename eth0 to eth1 and back? |
| 15:56.34 | Gnea | abrotman: #) |
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| 15:57.03 | Gnea | Raf256: or change the mac address? |
| 15:57.17 | cbr | The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 but it is not installable |
| 15:57.27 | Gnea | *ahem* |
| 15:57.36 | Raf256 | Gnea- I try to rename eth<-->eth1 |
| 15:57.37 | cbr | the nvidia.com way is nice |
| 15:57.37 | cbr | :p |
| 15:57.40 | Raf256 | eth0<-->eth1 |
| 15:57.40 | PerfDave | cbr: Broken packages, try using module-assistant. |
| 15:57.48 | Gnea | cbr: precisely |
| 15:57.51 | PerfDave | The nvidia.com way is fine until it fucks your system. |
| 15:57.58 | mwilson | cbr: The nvidia.com way is guaranteed to break things. |
| 15:57.59 | Gnea | Raf256: are you using modules? |
| 15:58.10 | paulswm | cbr: as you have just found out |
| 15:58.10 | Gnea | mwilson: you are wrong. |
| 15:58.13 | cbr | wtf guaranteed to break things? it's working as we speak |
| 15:58.16 | Raf256 | Gnea- not shure... how to check? I have default 2.6.8-2 here |
| 15:58.19 | mwilson | Gnea: Uh, no, I'm not. |
| 15:58.36 | mwilson | Gnea: It doesn't do diversions, it stomps on libraries. |
| 15:59.01 | Gnea | mwilson: yes, you are. i've helped countless people through this today - the .debs broke, they uninstalled them, installed the .run and it works fine. i use it that way in sarge and used to in sid as well, never broke a single thing. |
| 15:59.36 | Gnea | Raf256: then probably - are they the same kind of nic or different? |
| 15:59.40 | PerfDave | !minefield |
| 15:59.41 | dpkg | Many things in Linux work fine until they break catastrophically. Mixing packages from other distros, using nVidia's binary installer, and compiling applications outside /usr/local all leave your system in an indeterminate state. You can live happily in a minefield... but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. |
| 16:00.09 | paulswm | Gnea: This is obviously a new definition of "helped" with which I wasn't previously familiar |
| 16:00.35 | Gnea | paulswm: right, making things work and work right |
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| 16:00.52 | PerfDave | Gnea: Setting people's systems up so they will fuck up randomly in the future is not "help". |
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| 16:00.57 | Raf256 | Gnea- yeah, one is built-in 100 Mbs card, second is a PCI card |
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| 16:01.18 | PerfDave | Helping people involves either using module-assistant to compile an nvidia-kernel package, or using an old version of nvidia-glx without a broken dependency. |
| 16:01.18 | paulswm | Gnea: No, storing up future problems by giving very bad advice |
| 16:01.23 | Gnea | funny, i've run my workstation like that for over 3 *years* and it never fucked up once. |
| 16:01.32 | Gnea | you're gonna try to tell me different? |
| 16:01.34 | Gnea | thus, you are wrong. |
| 16:01.43 | PerfDave | Gnea: "anecdote" is not "proof". |
| 16:01.44 | paulswm | Gnea: I haven't died, so I assume I must be immortal |
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| 16:01.44 | mwilson | PerfDave: But... but... having the next X update replace all the nVidia libraries because they haven't been diverted is a GOOD thing. He said so! |
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| 16:02.18 | PerfDave | Gnea: See the minefield factoid above. |
| 16:02.18 | Gnea | the update isn't going to touch the nvidia libraries |
| 16:02.20 | mwilson | PerfDave: Next he'll tell us that you just re-run the installer after you update X. |
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| 16:02.26 | mwilson | Gnea: Except that it is, of course. |
| 16:02.30 | Gnea | PerfDave: see how my method doesn't involve mines. |
| 16:02.33 | paulswm | !qotd51 |
| 16:02.33 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 16:02.37 | PerfDave | Gnea: You're wrong. |
| 16:02.47 | Gnea | mwilson: only if they don't apt-get remove them first |
| 16:02.52 | PerfDave | Gnea: Your system contains files that apt thinks it owns, that apt didn't put there. |
| 16:02.53 | Gnea | duh |
| 16:02.57 | Gnea | wrong. |
| 16:03.04 | sdogi | hey wtf, how do you install qmail in debian? |
| 16:03.09 | PerfDave | sdogi: qmail-src |
| 16:03.14 | mwilson | sdogi: You don't, problem solved. |
| 16:03.20 | Gnea | if you apt-get remove something then the system thinks "it's not installed" |
| 16:03.21 | aptiko | My sarges want to download huge updates for today (my desktop wants more than 400 packages, 360MB). Is that normal? What happened? |
| 16:03.26 | PerfDave | sdogi: But the best answer is not to. |
| 16:03.39 | sdogi | PerfDave: ahh, it seems i don't have source repositories |
| 16:03.41 | Raf256 | Gnea- so any ideas? I just have two normal cars |
| 16:03.53 | PerfDave | sdogi: It's in non-free IIRC, because of its retarded license. |
| 16:03.53 | Raf256 | ..normal cards, and I want to change their order (eth0, eth1) |
| 16:03.57 | Gnea | Raf256: are the modules listed in /etc/modules |
| 16:03.58 | Gnea | ? |
| 16:04.16 | Raf256 | Gnea- what modules? anyway both cards use same module probably |
| 16:04.39 | Gnea | Raf256: you mean you don't know? lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 16:04.43 | sdogi | PerfDave: really? argh, this means i have to find some other program instead of this maildirdeliver |
| 16:04.43 | mwilson | Gnea: nvidia-installer replaces files that the Debian X packages own. When you update the X packages, they get stepped on. If you use Randall's debs, they get diverted, as they should be, so that doesnt happen. Otherwise, you get to randomly shuffle files around after they get mysteriously replaced. |
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| 16:05.08 | PerfDave | sdogi: You can still use it on Debian, you just need to include the non-free Debian repositories. |
| 16:05.16 | Bac9 | sdogi: exim? |
| 16:05.22 | PerfDave | sdogi: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 16:05.26 | sdogi | ok |
| 16:05.41 | Kuz | i have small network, which is connected with internet via LinkSys BEFW11S4 router. In network i have: 3xwin98, winXP and Debian. Probles is: when i use debain, router "hangs" or i dont know what it is doing, but after starting debian (sarge) router is not answering on ping and it does not work untill i restart it. I have reinstalled my linux, i even changed my network adapter, but it all was helpless. When i use winXP on the same PC - everythi |
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| 16:05.52 | cbr | hmm.. i installed it the debian way now |
| 16:05.59 | cbr | no difference what so ever |
| 16:05.59 | cbr | :p |
| 16:06.08 | Gnea | mwilson: point well taken, so why not update the topic to let people know this and for people to file a bug report then? |
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| 16:06.42 | Bac9 | Kuz: mad router? try upgrading its firmware, routers aren't supposed to hang |
| 16:07.04 | biggi_mat | when i'm trying to load module 8139too but i get object_register failed...what should i do, any idea? |
| 16:07.08 | mwilson | Gnea: What bug report do you think should be filed? A Debian bug? There is no Debian bug. An nVidia bug? They wouldn't care. A /topic change? They have you to tell them that the what would be in the /topic is wrong, and they should use the binary installer. |
| 16:07.12 | green_earz | Kuz: can you ping the router from the sarge install ? |
| 16:07.20 | cbr | PerfDave: so i should feel safer now? |
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| 16:07.29 | Bac9 | Kuz: rather bad router? touters are just supposed to implement standard protocols and there's nothing in those protocols to cause a router to hang |
| 16:07.34 | Kuz | Bac9: Last firmware already installed |
| 16:07.40 | abrotman | not that anyone reads the topic anyways :) |
| 16:07.41 | Gnea | mwilson: precisely, and so you're complaining about it because...? |
| 16:07.52 | mwilson | Gnea: Try reading what I said again. |
| 16:07.53 | Bac9 | Kuz: check the router settings |
| 16:08.07 | PerfDave | cbr: Safer how? |
| 16:08.34 | cbr | when i installed nvidia things via debian |
| 16:08.37 | Gnea | forget it, i'm just gonna go make cheesetoast |
| 16:08.51 | PerfDave | cbr: Well, your system is not going to fuck up randomly now, which is probably a good thing. |
| 16:08.52 | Kuz | setting are ok as i know, because even from Knoppix it work normally |
| 16:09.00 | eperkutyu | Hi, is there any tool for configuring a USB MS IntelliMouse on a Compaq Deskpro 4000 ? (P200MMx,Sarge new install, no light at the mouse) |
| 16:09.01 | abrotman | not cheese toast! |
| 16:09.07 | green_earz | Kuz: use ifconfig as su to get the info about your nic card |
| 16:09.08 | PerfDave | !ops is there room in the topic for "nVidia drivers -> /msg dpkg nvidia"? |
| 16:09.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: is there room in the topic for "nVidia drivers -> /msg dpkg nvidia" |
| 16:09.41 | LoRez | don't !ops for crap like that |
| 16:09.52 | Kuz | Green_earz: em.. what for? |
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| 16:10.48 | abrotman | !tell eperkutyu about usb mouse |
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| 16:11.00 | abrotman | err |
| 16:11.02 | abrotman | !tell eperkutyu about usbmouse |
| 16:11.27 | eperkutyu | oh :))) |
| 16:11.37 | eperkutyu | nice.. I'm following the advices :) |
| 16:11.45 | green_earz | Kuz: the mtu size may be out ?? and to check subnet and broadcast, and is the startic or dynamic |
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| 16:12.52 | PerfDave | LoRez: Well, I can't change topic myself.# |
| 16:13.09 | Kuz | Green_Earz MTU is 1492. And dont forget - it works perfectly with winXP and even Knoppix |
| 16:13.13 | LoRez | PerfDave: well then look for an active op, don't go spamming all of us |
| 16:13.40 | PerfDave | LoRez: How do I do that when they don't retain ops? |
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| 16:14.04 | LoRez | PerfDave: look for ones that are talking |
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| 16:14.29 | PerfDave | LoRez: Sorry, I don't retain a list of who the ops are. It's one fucking line, get over it. |
| 16:14.32 | DarknessX | !tell PerfDave about ops |
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| 16:14.33 | markybob_ | PerfDave, even if you put that in topic, people will still ask because no newbie ever reads the topic. it's a known fact, and thus a waste of time |
| 16:14.34 | abrotman | zOapmedia: you can't speak here as root |
| 16:14.43 | Raf256 | damn |
| 16:14.47 | mwilson | Newbies don't read, period. |
| 16:14.50 | Raf256 | why this ifrename do not work |
| 16:14.53 | PerfDave | markybob_: At least you can say you tried :) |
| 16:14.54 | lewis | ho ho ho - anyone here using exim4 quotas? (about to ask in #exim too, and already googled on it) |
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| 16:15.05 | Raf256 | when I run ifrename manually, I get error |
| 16:15.19 | mwilson | You've got to tell 'em. |
| 16:15.22 | Raf256 | can not change of eth0 to eth1 - file exists |
| 16:15.26 | Raf256 | can not change of eth1 to eth0 - file exists |
| 16:15.35 | green_earz | Kuz: ping -s 1492 www.bbc.com and see if there is a lost of package from sarge |
| 16:15.38 | Raf256 | what does it means? |
| 16:15.46 | Gnea | Raf256: sec |
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| 16:15.53 | markybob_ | green_earz, i usually use google.com ;) |
| 16:16.05 | Raf256 | Gnea- maybe I should add this ifrename somehere early to init.d ? |
| 16:16.16 | green_earz | markybob_: thats better sorry |
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| 16:16.29 | Kuz | Green_Ears: ill rejoin here after piece of time, ill go and try |
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| 16:17.31 | imachine | is there some good guide for debian with wineX ? |
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| 16:18.28 | Gnea | Raf256: ah ok |
| 16:18.38 | Raf256 | Gnea- yes? |
| 16:18.39 | Gnea | Raf256: yeah, it's gotta be run before any network scripts are run |
| 16:19.00 | Raf256 | Gnea- so what commend I should run as root to do so? |
| 16:19.14 | Gnea | heh reboot |
| 16:19.17 | Gnea | but wait |
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| 16:19.24 | Gnea | did you write you /etc/iftab? |
| 16:19.24 | Raf256 | I did reboot, didnt help |
| 16:19.29 | Raf256 | yes |
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| 16:19.44 | Raf256 | reboot do not help. I have to add this ifrename to init.d? how? |
| 16:19.54 | lewis | would one assume that you need kernel quotas for MTA mailbox quotas? |
| 16:19.58 | Raf256 | !smite ifrename |
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| 16:20.12 | vinylnet | hi |
| 16:20.14 | abrotman | how about doing it before /etc/init.d/networking is run ? |
| 16:20.24 | Raf256 | abrotman- ok, cool, but how? |
| 16:20.40 | Gnea | i think it is incomplete |
| 16:20.45 | Gnea | package maintainer did a shitty job |
| 16:20.58 | abrotman | or take the interfaces down first ? |
| 16:21.07 | Raf256 | I take'em down, didnt helped |
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| 16:21.11 | Gnea | oh |
| 16:21.13 | Gnea | look |
| 16:21.16 | Gnea | package maintainer is online |
| 16:21.21 | Gnea | Raf256: guus |
| 16:21.25 | Raf256 | cool, can I smitehim? |
| 16:21.30 | Raf256 | !smite guus |
| 16:21.33 | Gnea | lol |
| 16:21.39 | Gnea | he's not in the channel |
| 16:21.42 | Raf256 | damn |
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| 16:21.57 | Gnea | hold on |
| 16:22.01 | kuz | Green_Earz im back |
| 16:22.29 | vinylnet | does anyone have a few minutes to help me with a netwinder install which is totally messed up, needs totally reinstalling - damaged rescue filesystem. |
| 16:22.40 | kuz | Green_Earz i pinged twice - first time there was 7% packet loss, second time - 0% |
| 16:22.54 | Gnea | Raf256: have you RTFM at all yet? |
| 16:23.02 | green_earz | kuz: and from sarge ping -s 1492 www.google.com and see if there is a package lost |
| 16:23.03 | Raf256 | yeap, man ifranme |
| 16:23.08 | Gnea | i mean |
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| 16:23.18 | Gnea | have you read what's in /usr/share/doc/ifrename/ ? |
| 16:23.24 | Raf256 | hmm no |
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| 16:23.31 | Gnea | check out HOTPLUG.txt.gz |
| 16:23.35 | Gnea | good read :) |
| 16:23.45 | Raf256 | but I dont have a damn hotplug |
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| 16:23.54 | kuz | Green_Earz: now its 5% loss |
| 16:24.00 | Raf256 | I just want to change damn order of two ordinary eth cards |
| 16:24.03 | abrotman | are they different NICs? |
| 16:24.08 | Raf256 | that shouldnt be that hard |
| 16:24.19 | green_earz | kuz: can you check your router for its mtu size |
| 16:24.21 | abrotman | as in .. different drivers |
| 16:24.22 | mwilson | Swap their PCI slots, then... problem solved. |
| 16:24.29 | Raf256 | abrotman- two normal PCI ethernet cards, one is as a PCI card, second is buildted in into shitty mainboad |
| 16:24.32 | abrotman | mwilson: not guaranteed |
| 16:24.40 | abrotman | Raf256: so different drivers? |
| 16:24.40 | Raf256 | mwilson- thats the windoze way of solving problems |
| 16:24.43 | mwilson | abrotman: On most motherboards it is. |
| 16:24.48 | Raf256 | abrotman- dunno |
| 16:24.48 | mwilson | Raf256: Uh, hardly. |
| 16:24.52 | abrotman | mwilson: most .. being the key word |
| 16:25.06 | abrotman | Raf256: you can use the module rules to insert one before the other |
| 16:25.06 | Gnea | Raf256: look, there's a hack to the networking script that solves this |
| 16:25.13 | kuz | Green_Earz in router settings MTU is 1492 |
| 16:25.19 | Raf256 | Gnea- how? |
| 16:25.29 | Gnea | Raf256: read that doc i told u bout |
| 16:25.32 | Raf256 | in any case shitty ifrename do not work too well |
| 16:25.49 | Gnea | mwilson: different computer, different situation - you can't hardcode the same thing into everything |
| 16:25.52 | Gnea | moron |
| 16:26.01 | markybob | yikes |
| 16:26.06 | abrotman | Gnea: you juse used u |
| 16:26.20 | Gnea | u what? |
| 16:26.21 | Gnea | :) |
| 16:26.25 | green_earz | kuz: ping -s 1458 www.google.com |
| 16:26.46 | Raf256 | oh my fucking god, thats like 2 hours of reading |
| 16:26.52 | Raf256 | so its like 20 usd for me |
| 16:26.56 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 16:26.57 | dpkg | awwww, reading is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 16:26.58 | Gnea | it is? |
| 16:26.59 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:27.05 | Raf256 | this sucks, i should be easier |
| 16:27.06 | Gnea | LOL |
| 16:27.32 | mwilson | Raf256: If it "should" be, you are hereby invited to make it so. How else do you think things get done? |
| 16:27.32 | Raf256 | I dont want to fuck with system, I would just like to use it in work |
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| 16:27.35 | abrotman | Raf256: how many beers does it take? |
| 16:27.46 | Gnea | *perk* |
| 16:27.47 | Gnea | beer? |
| 16:27.56 | kuz | Gree_Earz 0% loss |
| 16:27.57 | abrotman | Gnea: see his previous comment |
| 16:28.09 | Gnea | Raf256: wait didn't you come in here asking for help? |
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| 16:28.33 | Raf256 | ok, can I just add ifrename as first script to be run on init or something? |
| 16:28.35 | kuz | Gree_Earz now it is 9% loss |
| 16:28.57 | Gnea | Raf256: look, read that doc - i don't even use it and i read it |
| 16:29.00 | Gnea | do yourself a favor |
| 16:29.13 | Gnea | i should stop helping people |
| 16:29.15 | Gnea | no one appreciates it |
| 16:29.21 | Gnea | bunch of useless bastards |
| 16:29.22 | abrotman | S40networking |
| 16:29.33 | green_earz | kuz: so can yor see that the problem seems to be related to the mtu size ? |
| 16:29.45 | paulswm | Gnea: I think yiu were wrong on one, but you are right on this, and yes helping sucks sometimes |
| 16:29.51 | Raf256 | so commend exacly will execute ifrename on S40networking? |
| 16:29.54 | paulswm | s/sometimes/mostly/ |
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| 16:30.05 | abrotman | Raf256: no ... |
| 16:30.07 | Halconcito | HI |
| 16:30.15 | Raf256 | omg :/ |
| 16:30.18 | abrotman | i'm still voting for module rules |
| 16:30.23 | abrotman | but noone listens to me |
| 16:30.32 | Gnea | paulswm: that's right motherfucker, i'm human! :P |
| 16:30.34 | Raf256 | abrotman- sound hard |
| 16:30.38 | pastix | join/#knoppixfr |
| 16:30.43 | abrotman | Raf256: so freaking read |
| 16:30.43 | pastix | join/ #knoppixfr |
| 16:30.44 | paulswm | Either someone wants to learn or they don't, can't make 'em unfortunately |
| 16:30.47 | tarzeau | Gnea: please lets not be rude here |
| 16:30.53 | kuz | Green_Earz: can i? actually i didn't solved problem in my mind :) |
| 16:30.57 | Gnea | tarzeau: piss off, i'm not being rude |
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| 16:31.00 | Gnea | :) |
| 16:31.07 | tarzeau | Gnea: motherhugger! |
| 16:31.10 | Gnea | i'm being disgruntled |
| 16:31.31 | abrotman | right .. piss off .. i'm not being rude :) |
| 16:31.37 | Gnea | hehehhehe |
| 16:31.40 | paulswm | tarzeau: He was just kidding, we had a lil more or less polite disagreement earlier |
| 16:31.50 | Gnea | that's right, piss off, stop taking a piss and take it to the toilet. |
| 16:32.00 | tarzeau | paulswm: i know :) |
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| 16:32.04 | Gnea | tarzeau: yeah, what he said :) |
| 16:32.08 | Raf256 | in any case that sucks, i thought point of ifrename was to make renaming eth easier, and it didnt did so |
| 16:32.17 | abrotman | like ... /etc/modutils/actions ? |
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| 16:32.26 | paulswm | tarzeau: Oh, now I'm getting confused, not an unusual experience |
| 16:32.37 | takatumi | tarzeau: which level now? |
| 16:32.46 | tarzeau | takatumi: i was at the daemon in world 9 |
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| 16:32.59 | tarzeau | takatumi: where are you? i can give you my save file, i collected all special items |
| 16:33.08 | Gnea | Raf256: well it's possible and i told you what to read to fix it but you don't seem to really want to fix it that badly so you're just gonna sit there and cry like a little bitch until an op gets so mad that you get kicked for it |
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| 16:33.15 | abrotman | like ... /etc/modutils/actions ? |
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| 16:33.26 | kuz | Green_Earz: i cant understand how MTU could be related with "downing" router. Especially if it works perfectly with Knoppix |
| 16:33.27 | takatumi | tarzeau: sounds gruesome, been a little busy, shifting jobs, haven't finished 1 yet. :/ |
| 16:33.48 | biggi_mat | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 16:33.51 | abrotman | pre-install module modprobe othermodule ? |
| 16:33.52 | biggi_mat | wops |
| 16:33.55 | tarzeau | takatumi: but you figured out how to f1,enter (warp to saveplace using the Halo ring item)? |
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| 16:34.06 | tarzeau | takatumi: and "l"oad saved games from the main menu? |
| 16:34.15 | somboku | debian.de |
| 16:34.16 | takatumi | tarzeau: hmm, no, that is news. :) |
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| 16:34.26 | tarzeau | takatumi: hehe no wonder you weren't in world 1 yet ;) |
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| 16:34.52 | green_earz | kuz: i thought that the poor connectiom may have been mtu related but ? |
| 16:34.52 | tarzeau | takatumi: it's like impossible if you can load/save .. loading will restore your health points. fighting enough will refill it. also the fairies can restore healthpoints |
| 16:35.18 | tarzeau | takatumi: did you find out how to go into doors? (press long enough against it. aphrodite can't unlock all doors at first) |
| 16:35.45 | takatumi | tarzeau: read your ITP and the mails about manesis, that was the one I mentioned nemesis/gradius. |
| 16:35.48 | tarzeau | takatumi: popolon (as a man) is strong enough from the beginning, but can't swim like the woman aphrodite |
| 16:35.58 | kuz | Green_Earz: hm. i dont know, At the moment i am working in the Linux, and everything is ok. |
| 16:35.59 | Raf256 | how to stop shitty gdm/xdm for starting? rcconfig do not show it |
| 16:36.15 | takatumi | tarzeau: heh, sounds like fun. |
| 16:36.30 | tarzeau | takatumi: ahhh that was you? of course i've read it. and there's other examples, so my plan is to have it into debian, and only removed if konami contacts either me or debian |
| 16:36.33 | Gnea | Raf256: i always just cd /etc/init.d/ && mv gdm .gdm |
| 16:36.43 | streuner | Raf256: or /msg dpkg nodm |
| 16:36.54 | Raf256 | ok |
| 16:36.58 | kuz | Green_Earz: "poor connection" - no way, if i understood you rightly (2 mbit adsl). |
| 16:37.00 | Raf256 | ok I fixed that ifrename problem, |
| 16:37.10 | takatumi | tarzeau: no, that wasn't me, I read the thread that you started. |
| 16:37.11 | Raf256 | I just removed shitty builtin card in BIOS settings |
| 16:37.20 | abrotman | !tell Raf256 about nodm |
| 16:37.24 | Raf256 | but anyway ifrename sucks more then IE6 |
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| 16:37.32 | tarzeau | takatumi: ahh. i lookeded for manesis, but couldn't find it. that also sounded like fun |
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| 16:37.46 | SquareRt | raf256: ifrename? |
| 16:37.49 | tarzeau | takatumi: have you heard of/tried xrick? freshmeat.net/projects/xrick |
| 16:37.49 | Gnea | Raf256: it's just more of a PITA to get setup :)0 |
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| 16:38.04 | SquareRt | raf256: is it like that thing that uses /etc/mactab to name interfaces? |
| 16:38.04 | Raf256 | SquareRt- ifrename - a tool to make renaming eth's harder |
| 16:38.10 | takatumi | tarzeau: no, interesting? |
| 16:38.16 | Raf256 | SquareRt- /etc/iftab |
| 16:38.18 | tarzeau | takatumi: fun! yes |
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| 16:38.28 | SquareRt | raf256: hmm |
| 16:38.30 | SquareRt | try... |
| 16:38.33 | Gnea | SquareRt: but see |
| 16:38.35 | tarzeau | takatumi: not like a storyline as in mog or zelda. but fun |
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| 16:39.23 | Gnea | SquareRt: the manpage sucks, so i took a look at /usr/share/doc/ifrename/HOTPLUG.txt.gz and it explains everything quite well. he just refused to read it so it's his own fault. |
| 16:39.43 | takatumi | tarzeau: my kid just made me buy 5 PS2 DVDs too. the new NFS looks interesting. |
| 16:40.10 | tarzeau | takatumi: need for the speed? i didn't enjoy that ever. what were the other games? |
| 16:40.20 | tarzeau | takatumi: did you know wipeout1, 2 or 3 on ps1? |
| 16:40.34 | tarzeau | takatumi: or crash bandicoot? that's the kind of games i like |
| 16:40.40 | takatumi | tarzeau: spiderman2, pacman, harry potter and something else. |
| 16:40.45 | tarzeau | takatumi: and bomberman of course (all remakes on linux suck very badly though!) |
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| 16:40.49 | SquareRt | gnea: I'mm dpkg -S'ing /sbin/nameif, as soon as that's done I'll know what package I use lol |
| 16:40.58 | tarzeau | linux has not a single great bomberman clone. all suck majorly |
| 16:41.06 | takatumi | tarzeau: crash is fun, wipeout haven't tried. |
| 16:41.19 | tarzeau | takatumi: wipeout3 is very cool! get it |
| 16:41.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes there is |
| 16:41.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: which? |
| 16:41.30 | Gnea | net-tools: /sbin/nameif |
| 16:41.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: emulators don't count |
| 16:41.41 | SquareRt | gnea: my networking scripts are a little more "customised"... the interfaces file references up and down scripts etc, and a bridge (br0) is created lol |
| 16:41.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: i believe there is a great one listed at libsdl.org .. i don't remember the name though :( |
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| 16:42.00 | Gnea | SquareRt: hehehe that's cool i didn't know about that :) |
| 16:42.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: or check happypenguin.org |
| 16:42.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: there was an excellent one called mr.boom for dos with networking and great graphics/gameplay |
| 16:42.13 | SquareRt | gnea: nameif or bridges? |
| 16:42.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: i really believe i tried all and they sucked. but if you can find a direct link, i'll take another look |
| 16:42.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://happypenguin.org/show?BomberMaze |
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| 16:42.30 | SquareRt | gnea: or up/down/pre-up/pre-down scripts from /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 16:43.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's a bit poor graphic... |
| 16:43.05 | Gnea | SquareRt: i kinda like the idea of nameif though since it works on more than just ethX |
| 16:43.08 | SquareRt | gnea: of course, I'm a big nancy and use /sbin/ip instead of /sbin/ifconfig :D |
| 16:43.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.libsdl.org/games.php?order=name&category=any&completed=0&os=any&match_name=bomber&perpage=50 |
| 16:43.19 | Gnea | SquareRt: hehehe yeah, iproute owns |
| 16:43.25 | Gnea | and tc |
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| 16:43.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: i wonder if it can be played with 4 human people |
| 16:43.33 | SquareRt | gnea: *cough* iproute2 ;) |
| 16:43.37 | Gnea | the packets flow quite nicely |
| 16:43.40 | Gnea | SquareRt: same thing :P |
| 16:43.42 | paulswm | abrotman: Bomberman with no sound? The link you gave says "Network & Sound planned." |
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| 16:43.49 | SquareRt | gnea: my interfaces get called things like lan and sparc-uplink etc lol |
| 16:43.56 | abrotman | paulswm: hey .. i said i couldn't remember the name :) |
| 16:43.57 | tarzeau | paulswm: at least they have graphics ;) |
| 16:43.59 | SquareRt | or things like 3c905c |
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| 16:44.13 | SquareRt | by mac address |
| 16:44.19 | abrotman | no ascii bomberman for me |
| 16:44.21 | wwallace | hello to all the great minds od the #debian |
| 16:44.26 | Gnea | interestlink |
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| 16:44.43 | SquareRt | gnea: avoids annoying things like trying to rename eth0 to eth1 before renaming eth1 to eth0 lol |
| 16:44.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/madbomber/screenshots/ ?? |
| 16:44.46 | paulswm | tarzeau: Oh WOW ascii bomberman, I see now what you were getting at |
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| 16:44.56 | takatumi | oh so thats the best we have? ascii graphics and no sound? |
| 16:45.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's not bomberman |
| 16:45.15 | inomine | I appear to have some circular dependencies, libc6 wants and new kernel and a new kernel wants a new libc6, anyone know how I can sort this out? |
| 16:45.16 | tarzeau | takatumi: haha ... |
| 16:45.17 | Gnea | SquareRt: well i always load my interfaces via modules, so i just change the loading order, but that's just me :) |
| 16:45.26 | tarzeau | takatumi: but ascii games can really be excellent, tried nethack ? |
| 16:45.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know . i didn't write the description . it's more like kaboom |
| 16:45.33 | SquareRt | gnea: heh |
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| 16:45.40 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | ijn |
| 16:45.40 | SquareRt | gnea: /me trusts discover/initrd lol |
| 16:45.45 | takatumi | tarzeau: I know. :) |
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| 16:45.45 | wwallace | how do i spped up the access from my windows machines to the shares locate them in my linux box, btween linux machines connection is fast and retrieval of info btween them is much faster that from windows to linux. in advance thanks for your help |
| 16:45.56 | paulswm | Might just as well play the original lunar lander |
| 16:45.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.xdr.com/dash/bomber.html .. better? |
| 16:46.01 | SquareRt | gnea: I do my "thang" when the interfaces are brought up lol |
| 16:46.11 | Gnea | wwallace: go gigabit |
| 16:46.13 | SquareRt | gnea: but ethernet bridging is a PITA |
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| 16:46.22 | SquareRt | gnea: well, more, the linux implementation |
| 16:46.33 | wwallace | Gnea: |
| 16:46.34 | SquareRt | gnea: I had to add some wait states for it to delete a bridge interface iirc lol |
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| 16:46.54 | Gnea | hrm |
| 16:46.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: is that one better? |
| 16:47.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's how i want bomberman: http://www.pouet.net/screenshots/925.png |
| 16:47.11 | wwallace | there has to be a reason why is faster from linux to windows from windows to windows and from linux to linux than windows to linux |
| 16:47.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: not really. it must be cute, japanese way |
| 16:47.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: that one is too much american |
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| 16:47.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: not enough curves, too much robotic/tech |
| 16:47.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: and bad color smoothing/dithering |
| 16:47.48 | tarzeau | horrible selection of colors too |
| 16:47.51 | wwallace | Gnea: changing to gigabit would not fix the problem the conection between the linux and windows machine would be faster still |
| 16:47.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.bomberclone.de/core.html |
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| 16:48.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://deftone.free.fr/bomberballz/ |
| 16:48.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: really i looked at all of them. none is like mr. boom . try mr. boom once |
| 16:48.19 | SquareRt | gnea: actually, I didn't bother because it doesn't make a great difference, it was DHCP I had to add wait states for, but that was because I hacked udhcpc to work with my bridge scripts lol because dhclient insisted on messing with my mojo lol |
| 16:48.35 | SquareRt | gnea: and I think that my friend's router was a bit dodgy lol |
| 16:48.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: i must admit . it's been a long time since i played bomberman |
| 16:48.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't change my opnion |
| 16:48.47 | SquareRt | gnea: cos I had trouble getting leases lol |
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| 16:48.51 | SquareRt | gnea: lol |
| 16:49.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: ahhh you should get three lovely women to play with (bomberman) |
| 16:49.03 | Gnea | pump > dhcp-client |
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| 16:49.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: how about one? |
| 16:49.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: don't got any at work? |
| 16:49.13 | SquareRt | gnea: can you have pump provide your IPs as variables into a script so /you/ choose how to assign them? |
| 16:49.15 | karim | hi |
| 16:49.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: i work in a small office of mostly guys |
| 16:49.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: no bomberman must be played with 4 people at one keyboard |
| 16:49.28 | SquareRt | gnea: I had to use it so I could make it use "ip addr add" and "ip addr del" lol |
| 16:49.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: bad luck then ;) |
| 16:49.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: sounds like an orgy |
| 16:49.46 | karim | do you think it could be possible to make appear a computer as an external drive with usb port ? |
| 16:49.50 | Gnea | SquareRt: more than likely |
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| 16:50.07 | SquareRt | gnea: the nice thing about udhcpc is it's TINY |
| 16:50.08 | abrotman | karim: i think there was a slashdot question about that |
| 16:50.18 | paulswm | If I had three lovely women who wanted to play with me, I don't think bomberman would be my first choice |
| 16:50.27 | abrotman | karim: and google would be more help than us i'm sure |
| 16:50.27 | Temp[Away] | amen brother |
| 16:50.28 | Gnea | heh |
| 16:50.28 | SquareRt | karim: dunno, but macintoshes have firewire target model ol |
| 16:50.30 | SquareRt | lol* |
| 16:50.34 | SquareRt | mode* |
| 16:51.06 | tarzeau | paulswm: well you won't find three lovely women to play with you, but play with you bomberman ,, and then you play... |
| 16:51.11 | karim | abrotman well I am wondering what keywords I would search on, but I will try |
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| 16:51.27 | tarzeau | paulswm: hint: don't win too often |
| 16:51.39 | abrotman | karim: i'm honestly not sure .. maybe try asking in ##linux ? |
| 16:51.40 | tarzeau | so you can stab them once in a while somewhere ;) |
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| 16:52.11 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 16:52.19 | FieldySnuts | @lart paulswm |
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| 16:52.47 | Hentai | Hello |
| 16:52.54 | wwallace | any help with my shares problem? |
| 16:53.04 | Hentai | I have a Broken Reguired pacakage how can I fix it? |
| 16:53.32 | pipeline | Hentai: "apt-get -f install" |
| 16:53.46 | pipeline | Hentai: No additionall arguments. Just "apt-get -f install" |
| 16:53.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: wait i know someone who could take the graphics/sounds of mr. boom and make an sdl port of it... |
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| 16:54.05 | Hentai | ok |
| 16:54.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: i used to :) |
| 16:54.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: i used to know lots of people who were good with sdl |
| 16:54.33 | tarzeau | Hentai: isn't that nipple sucking tentacles japanese stuff, Hentai? |
| 16:54.37 | paulswm | tarzeau: Heh, very good |
| 16:54.47 | pipeline | tarzeau: I believe the literal meaning is "pervert" |
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| 16:55.07 | karim | abrotman I think I have found the article http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/22/1336227&tid=198&tid=126&tid=4 |
| 16:55.08 | Hentai | the roginal meaning |
| 16:55.10 | karim | thanks |
| 16:55.17 | Hentai | yeah pipeline is right |
| 16:55.25 | abrotman | karim: that's the one i remember |
| 16:55.40 | Hentai | but tarzeau your also in some ways correct to |
| 16:55.46 | paulswm | Methinks abrotman's hiding a lot today |
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| 16:56.04 | abrotman | paulswm: i hide from StealHome :) |
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| 16:56.17 | paulswm | Ah |
| 16:56.22 | StealHome | abrotman:meet me at seul |
| 16:56.29 | abrotman | StealHome: i see you |
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| 16:56.43 | abrotman | StealHome: you come here looking for me if i don't respond up there? |
| 16:57.46 | kuz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.46 | kuz | everything is allright (for 2 months no restert was needed). |
| 16:58.20 | Hentai | pipeline: doing apt-get -f install now |
| 16:58.34 | Hentai | pipeline: -f mean force? |
| 16:58.39 | pipeline | Hentai: fix |
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| 17:00.49 | Paganist | Hi ! When i run mplayer as root, everything works but as simple user, i get this : "svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions." Any idea which file i should set the rights on ? |
| 17:01.02 | pipeline | Paganist: I doubt you want svgalib |
| 17:01.08 | pipeline | Paganist: mplayer -vo list |
| 17:01.44 | Sinistrad | mplayer -vo help |
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| 17:02.01 | Hentai | how do you set the date pipeline? |
| 17:02.26 | Hentai | I have a invalid date |
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| 17:02.42 | Paganist | oki |
| 17:02.44 | Paganist | thanks |
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| 17:03.48 | Hentai | well? |
| 17:05.13 | xelam | Hentai: the "date" command |
| 17:05.21 | kuz | Alamar - any relation with alkar? |
| 17:05.22 | xelam | or, install ntpdate |
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| 17:06.04 | biggi_mat | where should the module 8139too.o be? |
| 17:06.15 | biggi_mat | and where should rtl8139.o be? |
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| 17:06.50 | drac | biggi_mat: find /lib/modules | grep 8139 |
| 17:07.00 | xelam | biggi_mat: /lib/modules/<kernel>/kernel/drivers/net |
| 17:07.08 | twk | /lib/modules/kernel-version/kernel/drivers/net |
| 17:07.10 | biggi_mat | thank you |
| 17:07.39 | StealHome | yes abrotman, i know yiu onkly have a one-channel mind |
| 17:08.01 | Rasmus | Can anyone tell me how I can find out how to install samba on debian? |
| 17:08.15 | xelam | apt-get install samba |
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| 17:08.18 | xelam | tricky one ;) |
| 17:08.24 | twk | :p |
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| 17:08.55 | paulswm | Rasmus: you might also want to apt-get install samba-doc |
| 17:09.28 | viki | is there anybody who have used synCE to connect to a handheld device? |
| 17:10.23 | Rasmus | What shall I do to learn how to set samba up. There must be some nessacary configuration? |
| 17:10.36 | xelam | read the howto at samba.org |
| 17:10.50 | Rasmus | Oh, thanks. |
| 17:10.55 | paulswm | And the samba docs after installation |
| 17:11.32 | Rasmus | I will. Thanks. |
| 17:11.59 | kuz | i have small network, which is connected with internet via LinkSys BEFW11S4 router. In network i have: 3xwin98, winXP and Debian. Probles is: when i use debain, router "hangs" or i dont know what it is doing, but after starting debian (sarge) router is not answering on ping and it does not work untill i restart it. I have reinstalled my linux, i even changed my network adapter, but it all was helpless. When i use winXP on the same PC - everything |
| 17:11.59 | kuz | is allright (for 2 months no restert was needed). |
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| 17:12.58 | elephant | Hi all |
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| 17:13.04 | elephant | How to find a file ? |
| 17:13.09 | nvz | elephant: man find |
| 17:13.10 | biggi_mat | locate |
| 17:13.11 | biggi_mat | whereis |
| 17:13.28 | elephant | nvz: yep but it need a "updatedb" call before ? |
| 17:13.38 | elephant | nvz: that can be pretty long |
| 17:13.43 | biggi_mat | yep yep |
| 17:13.44 | biggi_mat | no |
| 17:13.46 | biggi_mat | not really |
| 17:14.01 | biggi_mat | and you don't need updatedb for whereis |
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| 17:14.14 | nvz | elephant: *shrug* I normally use gnome-find or kfind |
| 17:14.28 | elephant | nvz: ok thanx a lot |
| 17:14.50 | covux | how about: "find <path> | grep <filename>" *pose* ;-) |
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| 17:18.28 | biggi_mat | when i do insmod 8139too i get return error no suck file or directory? |
| 17:18.32 | biggi_mat | why is that |
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| 17:18.48 | biggi_mat | the module is in /lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/drivers/net |
| 17:19.06 | drac | biggi_mat: try, depmod -ae && modprobe 8139too |
| 17:19.36 | biggi_mat | i get some errors |
| 17:20.15 | biggi_mat | kobject_register failed for 8139too (-17) |
| 17:20.19 | biggi_mat | and then |
| 17:20.34 | biggi_mat | [<c0104c82>] |
| 17:20.37 | biggi_mat | and so on.. |
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| 17:21.31 | biggi_mat | dump_stack |
| 17:21.35 | biggi_mat | kobject_register |
| 17:21.38 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 17:21.38 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 17:21.38 | biggi_mat | bus_add_driver |
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| 17:21.40 | biggi_mat | ... |
| 17:21.42 | drac | and with debian kernel? |
| 17:21.49 | biggi_mat | 2.6.11 |
| 17:21.54 | abrotman | want me to do it again? |
| 17:21.57 | drac | but have you tried with debian kernel? |
| 17:22.09 | biggi_mat | drac you mean with odl kernel ? |
| 17:22.14 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 17:22.14 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 17:22.22 | abrotman | DO NOT USE INSMOD |
| 17:22.24 | abrotman | happy? |
| 17:22.35 | biggi_mat | abrotman what then ? |
| 17:22.42 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 17:22.42 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 17:22.42 | biggi_mat | modprobe is almost the same shit anyway |
| 17:22.45 | abrotman | look .. i can do it again |
| 17:22.50 | jpablo | what's the problem with isnmo |
| 17:22.50 | jpablo | d |
| 17:22.56 | jpablo | it works fine for what it does. |
| 17:23.00 | abrotman | and if the module doesn't exist .. do a depmod -a .. and actually *look* to see if the module is there |
| 17:23.06 | abrotman | jpablo: i think it's getting deprecated |
| 17:23.10 | biggi_mat | ok ok abrotman |
| 17:23.15 | drac | [20:19] < drac> biggi_mat: try, depmod -ae && modprobe 8139too |
| 17:23.23 | biggi_mat | drac done that |
| 17:23.25 | drac | and use an debian kernel. |
| 17:23.25 | jpablo | why ? |
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| 17:23.31 | jpablo | modprobe is a lot more complicated. |
| 17:23.37 | jpablo | insmod is simple. |
| 17:23.38 | abrotman | Phated: come back! |
| 17:23.42 | FieldySnuts | dumbass. |
| 17:23.48 | abrotman | jpablo: read the man page for insmod and modprobe |
| 17:23.58 | abrotman | jpablo: then come back and comment |
| 17:23.58 | paulswm | !prize FieldySnuts |
| 17:24.09 | jeik | Hm, where to i have to put the *.deb file so later i can use apt-get update |
| 17:24.10 | abrotman | !prise paulswm |
| 17:24.20 | FieldySnuts | @stawlker abrotman |
| 17:24.22 | jeik | or was it upgrade |
| 17:24.23 | paulswm | @lart abrotman |
| 17:24.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:24.27 | jpablo | abrotman: i know what they do. |
| 17:24.37 | abrotman | jpablo: then you wouldn't make such a comment |
| 17:24.40 | FieldySnuts | jpablo: clearly you don't. since you know better than all of us, have fun. |
| 17:25.08 | abrotman | right .. exactly |
| 17:25.11 | jpablo | insmod is simple, inserts a module into the kernel, modprobe handles symbols dependencies and stuff. |
| 17:25.18 | jpablo | (sometimes wrong) |
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| 17:25.30 | paulswm | !qotd51 |
| 17:25.30 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 17:25.38 | abrotman | jpablo: really .. think about it .. |
| 17:26.00 | colloron | guys, did we say sarge or woody for a server install? |
| 17:26.01 | abrotman | sighs |
| 17:26.04 | abrotman | it's fucking sighs |
| 17:26.12 | abrotman | colloron: internal or external ? |
| 17:26.20 | colloron | a linux gateway |
| 17:26.21 | jeik | I mean i have a .deb package what i need to install...how do i to it ? |
| 17:26.25 | abrotman | colloron: woody |
| 17:26.31 | abrotman | colloron: unless you really know what you're doing |
| 17:26.34 | xelam | jeik: man dpkg |
| 17:26.37 | colloron | isnt woody like an antique? :p |
| 17:26.38 | paulswm | jeik: dpkg -i |
| 17:26.38 | abrotman | i mean with security . .not debian |
| 17:26.41 | MingYao | jeik ,dpkg -i XXXX.deb |
| 17:26.47 | abrotman | how about .. man dpkg ? |
| 17:26.57 | FieldySnuts | shit. it's sunday, now I understand |
| 17:27.05 | MingYao | you must have a debian system :) |
| 17:27.13 | paulswm | colloron: If you are installing an exposed server, you don't need desktop stuff and woody is more secure |
| 17:27.25 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: expose? |
| 17:27.26 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: i don't know |
| 17:27.29 | jpablo | abrotman: all im saying, both of the utilities have it's use, it's stupid to say: never use insmod, but keep doing that if you like. |
| 17:27.31 | colloron | woody is more secure than sarge? |
| 17:27.46 | abrotman | jpablo: and you shouldn't use insmod ... really .. think about it |
| 17:27.47 | jpablo | and even more if you don't give a reason to people. |
| 17:27.52 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 17:27.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing security issues is http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
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| 17:27.57 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: argh quit wasting your time on him |
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| 17:28.06 | abrotman | jpablo: keep being retarded if you want :) |
| 17:28.12 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: yes |
| 17:28.16 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 17:28.21 | paulswm | :P |
| 17:28.24 | jpablo | abrotman: you haven't really give any reason for it, so i think you are the retarded. |
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| 17:28.46 | colloron | are there updates of woody? |
| 17:28.53 | abrotman | jpablo: did you read the man pages? |
| 17:28.57 | abrotman | colloron: no .. it's stable |
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| 17:29.10 | jpablo | abrotman: yes. |
| 17:29.14 | colloron | ok thanks. |
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| 17:29.23 | jeik | ok, thanks |
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| 17:29.26 | abrotman | jpablo: then apparently your comprehension skills need work |
| 17:29.30 | abrotman | and i'm done with it |
| 17:29.46 | paulswm | Hooray, abrotman :P |
| 17:30.05 | jpablo | abrotman: Most users will want to use modprobe, it saids *most* people, telling that you should *never* use ismod is stupid, it has it's uses. |
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| 17:30.47 | abrotman | paulswm: make him stop! |
| 17:30.59 | jpablo | abrotman: anyway, keep missinforming people without telling them any reason. that's the way to go. |
| 17:31.22 | abrotman | jpablo: you haven't given a good reason for your argument either .. now drop it |
| 17:32.19 | FieldySnuts | @kill jpablo |
| 17:32.29 | paulswm | jpablo: insmod is deprecated and not to be used in 2.6 kernel, get used to it and if you want to know the reason why, ask the kernel developers or research it yourself, all you are doing here is making yourself look foolish |
| 17:32.47 | FieldySnuts | he knows, stop arguing with him already, i don't want to extend my ignore list again |
| 17:33.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: bastards? |
| 17:33.08 | ravenbird | bastards is probably "Attention Fat Corporate Bastards!" at http://www2.ecst.csuchico.edu/~atman/attention-fat-bastards.html |
| 17:33.19 | infodroid | can anyone confirm that the "debian way" to install fuse (filesystem in userspace) is use module-assistant? |
| 17:33.24 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: bastards is also http://www.sco.com/ (according to google) |
| 17:33.26 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: okay |
| 17:33.26 | jpablo | paulswm: any link where some kernel developer writes it is deprecated ? |
| 17:33.59 | paulswm | jpablo: find one, you are the one who's interested |
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| 17:34.25 | jpablo | already searched, can't find one. |
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| 17:36.13 | crusha | hello |
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| 17:37.39 | crusha | I'm running debian sarge, with gnome , on a PC for a school but I found that students are very confused when the need to use floppy, there is a way to manage floppy in an easy way ? (instad that mount/umount things?) |
| 17:39.05 | Rasmus | If I use "apt-get install samba" will I then install everything needed to share files to a network with windows xp computeres? |
| 17:39.07 | abrotman | crusha: using nautilus? |
| 17:39.21 | jpablo | crusha: maybe you can recompile your kernel with superdrive |
| 17:39.29 | abrotman | why? |
| 17:39.31 | abrotman | god . shut up |
| 17:39.34 | paulswm | Rasmus: Yes |
| 17:39.40 | crusha | abrotman: yes |
| 17:39.48 | abrotman | double click on Computer .. right click on floppy .. mount volume is too hard? |
| 17:39.55 | poonj | hey guys..when I try to compile a 2.6.11 kernel, i am successful after the unpacking it once and compiling. however, if I want to make another kernel, and do a make clean and then try to compile, it complains of not having a System.map..... |
| 17:39.57 | crusha | abrotman: not for me... |
| 17:40.01 | poonj | what am I doing wrong? |
| 17:40.04 | Rasmus | paulswn: Thanks. |
| 17:40.18 | abrotman | poonj: really? .. it's hard for them .. how old are they? |
| 17:40.25 | crusha | abrotman: the problem is the user...the take off the floppy without unmounting them |
| 17:40.26 | FieldySnuts | you can't automatically mount floppies on insert, the floppy drive doesn't have anything to notify the system a disk got inserted |
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| 17:40.33 | FieldySnuts | and then they'd still have to umount. |
| 17:40.37 | paulswm | Rasmus: yw, suggest you also install samba-doc, you may need to read it :) |
| 17:40.43 | FieldySnuts | user education, if theyc an't handle that, then they're morons |
| 17:40.55 | abrotman | crusha: you can't stop that .. but if you put the word "sync" in the fstab ... might work a little better |
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| 17:41.10 | jpablo | crusha: you really want to try superdrive, it had the same problem. the performance of the floppy goes to hell, but it works. |
| 17:41.20 | paulswm | If they can't mount a floppy from the command line, take their computers away and give them barbie dolls to play with |
| 17:41.31 | abrotman | how does that stop people from removing the floppy before it's synced? |
| 17:41.41 | inu | and i think you mean supermount |
| 17:41.56 | paulswm | Heh |
| 17:41.58 | abrotman | he does .. but he's been wrong about everything else .. why change now |
| 17:42.01 | crusha | abrotman: well looking at the led of the floppy |
| 17:42.01 | Rasmus | paulswn: I have already typed "apt-get install samba-doc", it just takes some time to download the 11.9 MB of data. |
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| 17:42.12 | inu | heh |
| 17:42.17 | crusha | as on windows |
| 17:42.34 | jpablo | inu: yeah, supermout, been using my mac for to long :P |
| 17:42.38 | abrotman | crusha: if you mount it sync .. the data will at least be there |
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| 17:42.54 | abrotman | crusha: the OS will still be confused .. but it's the same thing that windows does afaik |
| 17:42.56 | crusha | abrotman: what do u mean |
| 17:43.02 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: next problem is when the next person comes along and puts their floppy in, tries to mount (automated or not), and can't. because it's alreadymounted. |
| 17:43.04 | paulswm | Rasmus: 11.9MB, man that's some doc, that's probably bigger than the Bible |
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| 17:43.30 | crusha | FieldySnuts: in fact... |
| 17:43.34 | crusha | it's a mess |
| 17:43.35 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: yeah .. all kind of problems with unknowledgable users |
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| 17:43.52 | crusha | abrotman: in a public computer is a problem.. |
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| 17:44.21 | FieldySnuts | i guess I don't see the issue, if i were in that place, people have to agree to a small list of terms to use them, and understanding that is one of them. |
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| 17:44.30 | zimnyx | hello |
| 17:44.45 | zimnyx | i edit a file: mcedit file. i'm trying to make search&replace using regular expression. pattern is "foo(.+)bar". in replace field i want to have regular expression's $1 - simply putting $1 doesn;t work. do you know what is the syntax? |
| 17:44.46 | crusha | c ya |
| 17:44.52 | FieldySnuts | people aren't morons they'll figure it out |
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| 17:44.56 | FieldySnuts | geez |
| 17:45.17 | drac | Is there channel operators present at the moment? I'd like to request ban exception for *!*eeker@dsl81-214-56816.adsl.ttnet.net.tr. He is not a spam bot, and it was the reason for ban at *!*@*.ttnet.net.tr in first place. |
| 17:45.35 | poonj | abrotman: what? |
| 17:45.38 | jpablo | damn, people come ask something, and all they get it some bunch of people telling him or his users are morons. |
| 17:45.44 | abrotman | huh? |
| 17:45.44 | Rasmus | paulswn: Yes, it seems to be alot, but that the size it says it is downloading. |
| 17:45.48 | FieldySnuts | chanops on a sunday? good luck. |
| 17:45.50 | jpablo | even rms asked for easy access to floppies. |
| 17:46.03 | abrotman | jpablo: would you rather we continue telling you that you're a moron? |
| 17:46.16 | FieldySnuts | please, ignore him. |
| 17:46.19 | jpablo | abrotman: if that makes you happy do. |
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| 17:46.38 | KimHansen | Is there a way to see if samba 3.0.13 is comming into unstable soon? |
| 17:46.38 | dsjog130 | nån svensk här? |
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| 17:46.47 | Kvant | -> #debian.se |
| 17:46.53 | dsjog130 | ok thx |
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| 17:47.43 | mwilson | KimHansen: No. |
| 17:48.00 | mwilson | KimHansen: It will when the maintainer uploads it. Why don't you ask him? |
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| 17:48.58 | Netcraft | see ya |
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| 17:50.23 | KimHansen | mwilson: Asking here could have given me the answer faster if it was possible to see it in a way I didn't know about. |
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| 17:51.18 | philth | How can i forcefully unmount a drive thta says it's busy? Or at least tell whats using it? |
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| 17:51.52 | Gnea | philth: lsof |
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| 17:52.38 | inu | philth, fuser also |
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| 17:52.50 | philth | i don't know what the heck that did but there is a massive scroll-fest hapening on console now.. |
| 17:52.56 | imachine | 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Generic]) |
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| 17:53.01 | imachine | does this work with debian? |
| 17:53.01 | KimHansen | phig: fuser -vm /mountpoint |
| 17:53.02 | FieldySnuts | lsof | grep mountpoint |
| 17:53.05 | jpablo | phig: ctr-c lsof //bla |
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| 17:53.38 | luulis | philth: try umount -l |
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| 17:54.51 | philth | thank you luulis.. :) |
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| 17:54.59 | philth | and all others got it unmounted |
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| 17:55.34 | abrotman | !fart |
| 17:55.57 | FieldySnuts | er |
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| 17:56.11 | FieldySnuts | @lart fart |
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| 17:57.59 | sameer | hey people |
| 17:58.07 | EvilSporkMan | does Debian-Installer rc3 include ntfsresize? if so, what version? |
| 17:58.07 | Huijari | hi |
| 17:58.16 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: I don't think so. |
| 17:58.24 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a fs war |
| 17:58.25 | ravenbird | UDF is better than XFS!! |
| 17:58.29 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 17:58.40 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: hrm. I wonder why not. |
| 17:58.47 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Why would it be? |
| 17:59.15 | sameer | can some one tell me if i install the boot loader in the starting sector of my 3rd partition will the mbr be skipped and go to the 3rd partition or goto mbr and then goto 3rd partition |
| 17:59.17 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: so ntfs partitions can be resized safely? ^^; maybe there's an alternative i'm unaware of |
| 17:59.27 | sameer | while booting |
| 17:59.30 | FieldySnuts | no such thing as safe resizing |
| 17:59.32 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: They can't be resized safely. |
| 17:59.48 | FieldySnuts | I strongly recommend against resizing any partition, however I guess if you go for it, have full backups, or don't do it. |
| 17:59.51 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: ntfsresize is only marginally better than resizing with dd and a hex editor. |
| 18:00.03 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: I have about the same success rate :) |
| 18:00.22 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: oh, wow, thanks for the warning. what's your success rate? and why do the ntfsresize people claim differently? |
| 18:00.34 | paulswm | pipeline, EvilSporkMan : I have 100% success rate with using ntfsresize, and I've doen quite a few |
| 18:00.58 | paulswm | EvilSporkMan: I believe that ntfsresize is on the installer |
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| 18:01.42 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: 50% |
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| 18:02.20 | real | how can i change mac address on debian sid? |
| 18:02.36 | FieldySnuts | man ifconfig , not all cards will allow it |
| 18:02.42 | FieldySnuts | and it's not permanent |
| 18:02.45 | EvilSporkMan | anyone else want to weigh in on ntfsresize? there's clearly some debate on the issue =) |
| 18:02.45 | pipeline | real: either the "eeprom" command or install a new NIC |
| 18:02.53 | paulswm | EvilSporkMan: ntfsresize, as I say, is quite safe in my experience, and I have moved and resized ntfs partitions on several dirrerent boxes several times |
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| 18:03.03 | FieldySnuts | well, i already said my peice above about any resizing |
| 18:03.11 | sameer | can some one tell me if i install the boot loader in the starting sector of my 3rd partition .....while booting will the mbr be skipped and go to the 3rd partition or goto mbr and then goto 3rd partition |
| 18:03.21 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: You have a good chance of succeeding. And a pretty good chance of hosing all your data. If you can't handle the idea of losing it all, don't do it. |
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| 18:03.47 | paulswm | sameer: mbr first |
| 18:03.49 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: Do you care about the data? If so, back up and repartition. If you don't, then destroy and repartition. |
| 18:04.15 | paolo | Hi guys! On my testing box, I was seeing arabic fonts in galeon, but now I have not been able to see them for about one or two week. Any hint? thank you! |
| 18:04.15 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson, pipeline: i am planning to dual boot linux for a friend. I imagine that she likes her windows partition =) |
| 18:04.18 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: the benefit to ntfsresize is that resizing the partition is usually a lot faster than restoring from tape/cdr |
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| 18:04.32 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: So why are you messing with someone else's machine, then? |
| 18:04.44 | Gnea | geez |
| 18:04.58 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: You know, if she can't install linux herself, you probably shouldn't be doing it for her. Why don't you give her a sarge CD and lend her a spare hard drive? |
| 18:05.05 | Gnea | mwilson: are you that blind you can't recognoze the obvious? |
| 18:05.09 | sameer | paulswm : so wherever i put my boot loader anywhere on hard disk it will first goto mbr in any case right |
| 18:05.09 | Gnea | er, recognize |
| 18:05.12 | mwilson | pipeline: Nonsense. |
| 18:05.16 | FieldySnuts | @lart Gnea |
| 18:05.19 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: why not? it's much easier to use linux than it is to install it |
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| 18:05.23 | Gnea | !troll FieldySnuts |
| 18:05.27 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 18:05.29 | real | pipeline: to use the eeprom command i need to apt-get something first to use the command? |
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| 18:05.50 | Gnea | Raf256_: any luck? |
| 18:05.50 | paulswm | sameer: Yes, that's what the BIOS does |
| 18:05.52 | mwilson | pipeline: Most cluebies hav zero business pretending they're competent to install and maintain operating systems. That's what skilled people are for. |
| 18:05.56 | pipeline | real: eeprom only works on sparc and sgimips, I don't think it'll work on a PC |
| 18:06.12 | mwilson | pipeline: You installt the box, you deliver it, and you never share the root password with them. |
| 18:06.13 | FieldySnuts | ifconfig can do it, as mentioned above. if the card will allow it to. |
| 18:06.21 | pipeline | mwilson: On the one hand, that's true. On the other, it really bugs me to see people forcing linux down their friends throats. |
| 18:06.26 | real | pipeline: and how do i install a new nic? what do i need for that? |
| 18:06.29 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: hence the dual boot |
| 18:06.36 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 18:06.39 | sameer | paulswm : so whats the difference and advantage if any of installing in mbr and .. other partions |
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| 18:06.41 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Waste of time. |
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| 18:06.51 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: i dual booted for a long time |
| 18:06.55 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: No, not "hence the bual boot". If she doesn't need Linux, why are you putting it on her machine? |
| 18:06.55 | paulswm | sameer: chain loading |
| 18:06.57 | pipeline | real: the MAC address is built into a chip on the network interface card (NIC) |
| 18:07.12 | Gnea | pipeline: it's even more disturbing when someone would go out of their way to put down someone attempting to use an OS that we all use and make an attempt to support |
| 18:07.13 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Waste of time. You probably should have stuck to windows. |
| 18:07.14 | sameer | paulswm : whats the advantage of that ... |
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| 18:07.20 | EvilSporkMan | *sigh* only in #debian... |
| 18:07.28 | FieldySnuts | oh what a nice troll |
| 18:07.30 | paulswm | sameer: none for me, I don't do it |
| 18:07.37 | Gnea | EvilSporkMan: ain't that the truth |
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| 18:07.51 | EvilSporkMan | FieldySnuts: i'm not trolling...O_o |
| 18:07.59 | FieldySnuts | only a troll denies he's trolling |
| 18:08.01 | mwilson | Gnea: The idea is to do *work*. Not to randomly advocate. |
| 18:08.02 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: What? It's rare indeed that you run into people who DESPERATELY NEED software that's only available for linux. Setting up a decent UNIX environment on Windows NT is usually easier than "dual booting" |
| 18:08.04 | FieldySnuts | if they don't deny they're trolling, they're still trolls |
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| 18:08.09 | sameer | paulswm : ok so .. how much does my mbr occupy.. |
| 18:08.16 | Gnea | mwilson: says who? you? |
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| 18:08.21 | sameer | paulswm : how do i know it |
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| 18:08.39 | EvilSporkMan | mmkay, i am reconsidering this linux install |
| 18:08.56 | mwilson | Gnea: A computer is a means to an end. Not a religion. |
| 18:09.06 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson: how about cost savings? |
| 18:09.08 | FieldySnuts | it's a religion to me. |
| 18:09.14 | Gnea | mwilson: i didn't say it was a religion, you did. |
| 18:09.17 | xelam | pipeline: decent unix environment on NT? o.O |
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| 18:09.27 | FieldySnuts | i'm a zealot |
| 18:09.36 | paulswm | EvilSporkMan: If you want to resize, use ntfsresize, if you want to back up first, use ntfsclone, it's all very simple. |
| 18:09.44 | FieldySnuts | i'm taking "how to be extremely annoying" lessons from rms and esr |
| 18:09.45 | sameer | paulswm : how do i know how much space my mbr occupies |
| 18:09.50 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: What "cost savings" do you anticipate by forcing someone to use Linux? |
| 18:09.51 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Most people already have a valid Windows NT license. I would consider linux as a windows 9x replacement, or as a complete NT replacement. Halfassing it and "dual-booting" is a waste of everyone's time |
| 18:09.53 | valdyn_ | xelam: easily, via colinux in "extreme" cases, it works beautifully, imho |
| 18:09.54 | xelam | mwilson: a computer is a means to an end for you, not for everyone. |
| 18:09.59 | _bjosch | Hi, I have some problems with my external hdd. It has a ppc-partition map because I run sarge on ppc. But when I try to access on the ext3 partition (copy to the internal my backup) all processes become "D" or "D+". any idea about this?? |
| 18:10.01 | gilles | hi |
| 18:10.05 | pipeline | xelam: Microsoft Services for UNIX and Cygwin come to mind. |
| 18:10.06 | EvilSporkMan | paulswm: kay, will look into ntfsclone as well =) |
| 18:10.09 | paulswm | sameer: it's the same size as any mbr is |
| 18:10.27 | pipeline | xelam: The former is extremely fast, but has poor software availability. The latter is slow, and has shitty terminal handling, but virtually all linux software is available (even gnome and kde) |
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| 18:10.57 | FieldySnuts | EvilSporkMan: the most important thing, no matter what you do, is have a full backup of the data elsewhere. if somethign goes wrong, you can fall back on that. |
| 18:11.00 | sameer | paulswm : hehe well how much is itt... |
| 18:11.02 | Rasmus | Then I type "smbclient -L localhost" I get an error. It says "timeout connecting to 127.0.0.1:445". |
| 18:11.11 | EvilSporkMan | FieldySnuts: yes, currently preparing to do that |
| 18:11.14 | FieldySnuts | probably because you're not running samba daemons |
| 18:11.21 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan, xelam: In the event that you OMG NEED linux software on a windows machine, SFU or Cygwin is usually better than dual booting. If all else fails, you always have CoLinux. |
| 18:11.25 | paulswm | EvilSporkMan: I have backed up and restored using ntfsclone many times also, just used it (and ntfsresize) this weekend to replace a hard drive |
| 18:11.32 | FieldySnuts | and even if you are, you probably aren't running them with active directory capability |
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| 18:11.38 | Gnea | EvilSporkMan: so is that winxp or win2k she's got now? |
| 18:11.47 | FieldySnuts | samba isn't just something you install and fire up, it's a relatively complicated process, takes some reading and learning |
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| 18:12.09 | FieldySnuts | especially with 3.* version |
| 18:12.14 | FieldySnuts | s/ |
| 18:12.17 | Rasmus | FieldySnuts: How shall I run samba deamons? |
| 18:12.19 | EvilSporkMan | Gnea: winxp, i believe. She has a history of insane computer problems despite appearing to do everything right. We're seniors in high-school, so "wasting time" is not a primary concern here |
| 18:12.24 | sameer | paulswm : hehe well how much is itt... |
| 18:12.26 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: Eh, Debian's default configuration is what most people need, most of the time. You really can just install it and fire it up. |
| 18:12.28 | FieldySnuts | read the docs, i'm not going to sit here and instruct |
| 18:12.31 | xelam | Rasmus: well, /etc/init.d/samba start |
| 18:12.37 | paulswm | sameer: 512 bytes, which you could have found out with google |
| 18:12.38 | xelam | but you need to configure smb.conf first :P |
| 18:12.46 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: Installing Linux does not magically remove "insane computer problems". |
| 18:12.58 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson: yeah, i suspect hardware =\ |
| 18:13.14 | sameer | paulswm : no i mean for any hard disk its the same .. no matter the size.. even 250 gb hard disks.. etc. |
| 18:13.24 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: Oh, so by all means, let's throw another variable into the mix and make things harder to solve. Gee, that makes perfect sense. |
| 18:13.26 | Gnea | EvilSporkMan: yeah that's what i figured, since others haven't the slightest idea of what or how else any other part of the world works outside of their own close-minded paradigms, have you burned a sarge iso yet? |
| 18:13.26 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson: i was just attempting to head off the "well, WinXP IS pretty stable" comment |
| 18:13.35 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Don't be blinded by zealotry. |
| 18:13.38 | EvilSporkMan | Gnea: I'm running debian and having her download a sarge iso |
| 18:13.45 | Gnea | EvilSporkMan: cool |
| 18:13.55 | Gnea | EvilSporkMan: i'd back her stuff up |
| 18:13.58 | mwilson | Gnea: Describing yourself there, huh? |
| 18:13.58 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Also, installing debian on her machine will not get you into her pants. |
| 18:14.13 | Gnea | mwilson: hardly, i've lived in 3 states and traveled to many more, how about you? |
| 18:14.18 | paulswm | sameer: I already told you that. The MBR contains the boot code (446 bytes), partition table (64 bytes) and the boot code signature (2 bytes) |
| 18:14.19 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: that is most certainly not the objective here |
| 18:14.23 | travisat | linux is useful to dualboot on a home computer if you want a safer enviroment to browse the net and do simple things like word processing |
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| 18:14.26 | lewis | anyone know anything about exim4 quotas? (asked google and #exim already) |
| 18:14.27 | mwilson | Gnea: Since you seem to be the COLA wannabe, after all. |
| 18:14.38 | xelam | lewis: quotas? |
| 18:14.39 | ysothoth | malignant recs has some pretty good shit |
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| 18:14.43 | Gnea | mwilson: getting your hardon from attacking myself and others eh? |
| 18:14.43 | lewis | xelam: yes |
| 18:14.43 | ysothoth | meh |
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| 18:14.55 | xelam | quotas... how? |
| 18:14.56 | Gnea | mwilson: maybe pipeline can help you out there |
| 18:15.03 | EvilSporkMan | Gnea: now, now...mwilson makes valid points |
| 18:15.06 | lewis | xelam: restricting the size of mailboxes in /var/mail/[user] |
| 18:15.16 | xelam | i see |
| 18:15.22 | Gnea | valid points that do nothing to make himself nor debian look good |
| 18:15.31 | xelam | lewis: do the users have /home directories too? |
| 18:15.34 | slack_girl | hiall |
| 18:15.43 | Gnea | he forgets that there is a rest of the world out there |
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| 18:15.52 | Rasmus | Now it says: "Error connecting to 127.0.0.1 (No route to host)" and in a new line "Connection to localhost failed". |
| 18:15.56 | lewis | xelam: yeh, but the mailboxes are in /var/mail, and i don't have kernel quotas (i don't think) |
| 18:16.05 | lewis | xelam: it can be done in exim, but i am having trouble |
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| 18:16.07 | Gnea | EvilSporkMan: anyway, enough about them |
| 18:16.09 | EvilSporkMan | Gnea: well, i'm anti-Microsoft. He may not be. And I'd say his viewpoint is far more focused on "the rest of the world" than mine, as he is OPPOSING change based solely on ideology |
| 18:16.10 | xelam | ok |
| 18:16.22 | xelam | I always thought was done by the OS, so no idea :) |
| 18:16.26 | xelam | +that |
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| 18:16.27 | FieldySnuts | who gives a shit, do things your way |
| 18:16.36 | Gnea | exactly |
| 18:16.37 | paulswm | !prize FieldySnuts |
| 18:16.46 | FieldySnuts | @medal paulswm |
| 18:16.57 | FieldySnuts | that one got removed too huh. cute |
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| 18:17.14 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: you're the troll, trying to incite them. |
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| 18:17.23 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: oh yeah? |
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| 18:17.29 | paulswm | Gnea: your own way as long as you install nvidia the Debian Way you bastard :P |
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| 18:17.37 | Gnea | hahahaha |
| 18:17.41 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:17.53 | Gnea | still got a tree stuck up yer ass over that huh |
| 18:18.08 | FieldySnuts | rest my case |
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| 18:18.08 | Gnea | anyhow |
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| 18:18.21 | paulswm | Gnea: No, but I couldn't resist, FieldySnuts's remark was a gift from heaven |
| 18:18.23 | mwilson | Gnea: "points that do nothing to make himself or Debian look good"? Wtf is that supposed to mean? |
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| 18:18.39 | Gnea | ÍÍÍ debiansucks[~anthony@d161h152.resnet.uconn.edu] joined channel #debian |
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| 18:18.41 | Gnea | i rest my case. |
| 18:18.42 | mwilson | Gnea: I realize you believe in blind advocacy, but even for you, that makes no sense. |
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| 18:18.58 | DarknessX | is today Sunday? |
| 18:18.59 | Gnea | mwilson: so you're saying i'm wrong? |
| 18:19.07 | FieldySnuts | yes |
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| 18:19.14 | Sebulba02 | Hey everyone, exim4 is returning that sending mail out is resulting in "Unrouteable address", can anyone point me in the right direction of what could be wrong? |
| 18:19.17 | Gnea | i was asking mwilson not you |
| 18:19.20 | DarknessX | ahh. I'm jetlagged beyond belief. I just got back from Italy |
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| 18:19.29 | xelam | Sebulba02: DNS error? wrong address? |
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| 18:19.33 | mwilson | Gnea: Linux is not automatically something that should be shoved down someone's throat. If you feel it makes Debian look bad to NOT advocate that, then by all means, let's make Debian look bad. |
| 18:19.36 | FieldySnuts | i wasn't fucking talking to you, I was fucking talking to fucking DarknessX |
| 18:19.38 | FieldySnuts | dick |
| 18:19.42 | Sebulba02 | xelam: nope, dns is fine.. address is valid |
| 18:19.50 | xelam | is it just one address? |
| 18:19.57 | Gnea | mwilson: hold on a second - who's shoving linux down WHOS throat? |
| 18:20.00 | Sebulba02 | xelam: nope |
| 18:20.18 | Sebulba02 | xelam: I've tried two of my external addresses, they both get bounced |
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| 18:20.22 | xelam | look in /var/log/exim4/* ? |
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| 18:20.51 | Gnea | mwilson: take a look at the facts buddy - she's tired of the BS that windows is treating her with, she wants something better. if he can make it happen then by all means why not? |
| 18:20.57 | mwilson | Gnea: You attack me for not being a mindless COLA weenie. What else is anyone supposed to think? |
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| 18:21.05 | mwilson | Gnea: Uh, no, that's not what's been said. |
| 18:21.06 | FieldySnuts | cola? |
| 18:21.17 | Gnea | mwilson: wtf is a mindless COLA weenie? |
| 18:21.26 | FieldySnuts | i agree on the weenie part though |
| 18:21.28 | Gnea | it isn't? |
| 18:21.32 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 18:22.08 | Sebulba02 | xelam: it just says it unroutable also |
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| 18:22.16 | Gnea | pipeline: you think i'm a zealot? look at yourself |
| 18:22.23 | mwilson | Gnea: What's been said is that she has problems, and he suspects hardware. So, by all means, we should replace one OS on flaky hardware with ANOTHER OS on flaky hardware, so that it can fail in even more obscure ways and she can have a bad impression of your pet OS. Gee, that makes sense. |
| 18:22.29 | EvilSporkMan | paulswm: is ntfsclone 100% reliable or should i do something like dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/someothercomp/backup.img to make sure i have a backup drive image |
| 18:22.39 | Sebulba02 | "@gmail.com>: Unrouteable address" |
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| 18:22.50 | Gnea | mwilson: wrong. he said "dual-boot" not "replace". |
| 18:22.55 | FieldySnuts | @tell Sebulba02 about smart questions |
| 18:22.57 | mwilson | Gnea: Funny, he's not the one mindlessly advocating Linux. He's the one promoting a balanced approach. |
| 18:22.58 | DarknessX | EvilSporkMan: I'd say nothing is 100% reliable, and backups are always a good idea |
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| 18:23.48 | Gnea | mwilson: forgive my ignorance of reaganomics, but my approach is unbalanced how? |
| 18:23.49 | Sebulba02 | FieldySnuts: how can I get more detailed then pasting the log entry? Thats all I'm working with.. exim4 on unstable. |
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| 18:24.01 | FieldySnuts | gee, look debiansucks is back as abrotman_sucks . so clever |
| 18:24.02 | Sebulba02 | Nothing special |
| 18:24.13 | Jon | FieldySnuts: /ignore is our friend |
| 18:24.18 | abrotman | Gnea: reaganomics is easy .. spending > income |
| 18:24.21 | FieldySnuts | abrotman_sucks: do not message me. |
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| 18:24.38 | abrotman | what an idiot |
| 18:24.39 | FieldySnuts | is everyone at uconn an idiot like you are? I said don't fucking msg me |
| 18:24.41 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah, that's sure been proven |
| 18:24.48 | FieldySnuts | morons |
| 18:24.57 | kingsley | Which command reveals how many bytes are in each block of a file system? |
| 18:25.10 | abrotman | you think they'd have something better to do .. thier basketball team sucks |
| 18:25.16 | Chameleon22 | how come i get "/dev/hdb2 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." when i run "# grub-install --root-directory=/home/serg/newdrive /dev/hdb2" |
| 18:25.17 | FieldySnuts | HAHAH |
| 18:25.22 | pipeline | kingsley: tunefs |
| 18:25.28 | sameer | anyone for dcc |
| 18:25.37 | Chameleon22 | war-: you there ? |
| 18:25.40 | pipeline | kingsley: or rather tune2fs |
| 18:25.40 | abrotman | !ops abrotman_sucks |
| 18:25.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: abrotman_sucks |
| 18:25.47 | Gnea | sameer: what you looking for? |
| 18:25.52 | valdyn_ | Chameleon22: hdb2 is no a drive |
| 18:26.00 | sameer | nothing .. just for private chat |
| 18:26.15 | Jon | FieldySnuts: the rest of us have long since invoked /ignore. please keep your rebuttals to him off-channel too? They're just as annoying :) |
| 18:26.17 | Gnea | sameer: do you know where you are? |
| 18:26.22 | sameer | i know |
| 18:26.25 | FieldySnuts | Jon: use it on me, you git. |
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| 18:26.28 | Chameleon22 | valdyn_: i get same error with /dev/hdb as well |
| 18:26.32 | Jon | FieldySnuts: good idea |
| 18:26.40 | sameer | sometimes u get bored of the usual sort.. |
| 18:26.42 | sameer | thats why |
| 18:26.42 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:26.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:26.45 | FieldySnuts | manky scots kit, more accurately |
| 18:26.51 | FieldySnuts | @ops abrotman_sucks is msg flooding me |
| 18:26.53 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: abrotman_sucks is msg flooding me |
| 18:27.00 | sameer | and besides sharing experiences..is better private.. |
| 18:27.01 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: he gave up on me |
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| 18:27.22 | lxuser | latest sarge update breaks kde-devel. does this happen to anyone else? |
| 18:27.24 | Plutojambo | hey friend ,Please Give me a hand! error about anjuta like this http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/attachment.php?attachmentid=23780 |
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| 18:27.27 | abrotman | what an idiot |
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| 18:27.32 | EvilSporkMan | well, my friend is savvy enough to discuss this with, and she doesn't see any problem, so i'm heading over. we're talking about a techie, not a bimbo ^^ |
| 18:27.34 | blas | hi, mc supports fxp? |
| 18:27.51 | paulswm | EvilSporkMan: I have had 100% success with ntfsresize, but like DarknessX said, nothing is 100% reliable, so at least use XP backup to save off All Documents and Settings" if you don't have anywhere to do a full ntfsclone backup |
| 18:27.51 | blas | well a user copying via mc from panel 1 (ftp1) to panel 2 (ftp2) |
| 18:27.52 | abrotman | poor dumbass .. |
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| 18:27.59 | abrotman | he's got nothing better to do ... |
| 18:28.16 | EvilSporkMan | paulswm: there's another computer available with enough free space for a drive image, so we're good |
| 18:28.17 | blas | that kills my bandwith? |
| 18:28.19 | Gnea | EvilSporkMan: well good luck with all that man, sounds like things are going just fine |
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| 18:28.22 | blas | or its really fxp |
| 18:28.27 | abrotman | abrotman_sucks: why are you just msg'ing people instead of speaking in the channel ? |
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| 18:29.09 | Gnea | heh, 'blind advocacy' my ass |
| 18:29.10 | paulswm | EvilSporkMan: Or, as I have done a couple of times, roll the dice and do it without the safety net, you have to do your own risk assessment really. I would imagine the greatest risk is that your gf will kill you with a rusty knife |
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| 18:29.23 | Gnea | mwilson is truely smoking the most crack today. |
| 18:29.58 | abrotman | ihavenovoice: there's a reason you have no voice .. and if you want it removed ... talk to the person that took it from you |
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| 18:30.12 | mwilson | By not blindly advocating Linux, I'm "smoking crack", huh? |
| 18:30.16 | xelam | hmmn |
| 18:30.21 | blas | hm? |
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| 18:30.26 | xelam | o/~ Can you feel the love tonigh |
| 18:30.27 | xelam | t |
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| 18:30.44 | abrotman | cutoutmytongue: there's a reason you have no voice .. and if you want it removed ... talk to the person that took it from you |
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| 18:31.05 | xelam | does this channel have no ops :) |
| 18:31.09 | abrotman | xelam: not on sundays |
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| 18:31.20 | xelam | lol. |
| 18:31.28 | abrotman | it's not funny |
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| 18:31.35 | Gumby | sameer: pls do not dcc chat me for no reason |
| 18:31.41 | paulswm | It most certainly is not funny |
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| 18:31.46 | sameer | gumby : sorry |
| 18:31.50 | xelam | ok o.O |
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| 18:32.01 | abrotman | what an idiot |
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| 18:32.21 | Gnea | mwilson: how do you assert that I am advocating it blindly? |
| 18:32.22 | hondje | Someone should teach him the nick command |
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| 18:32.42 | paulswm | xelam: We've been pounded by trolls and fools in the past and been unable to do anything about it, hence the unfinniness |
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| 18:32.52 | paulswm | "not been able" |
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| 18:33.02 | paulswm | "unfunniness" |
| 18:33.07 | xelam | paulswm: well, why are there no ops, and was the "not on sundays" serious? |
| 18:33.12 | abrotman | paulswm: your typos are unfunny :) |
| 18:33.14 | colde89 | how can i make a patition smaler without loose the data of this partition? |
| 18:33.31 | Gnea | i just hate it when people make an argument without backing it up with real substance |
| 18:33.35 | colde89 | (ext3) |
| 18:33.40 | abrotman | Gnea: cheese is good!~ |
| 18:33.46 | Gnea | abrotman: ehhehee |
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| 18:33.51 | Gnea | yes, yes it is |
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| 18:33.59 | Gnea | dude |
| 18:34.01 | kingsley | How large should an ext3 journal be? |
| 18:34.03 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 18:34.04 | paulswm | xelam: I don't know why there are no ops on Sundays, but that appears generally to be the case and it is certainly sometimes inconvenient |
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| 18:34.10 | Gnea | fucking connecticut man |
| 18:34.24 | colde89 | kingsley: 13 GB |
| 18:34.38 | valdyn_ | xelam: many come here from their workplace |
| 18:34.40 | Gnea | +1-860-486-1435 |
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| 18:34.52 | Gnea | heh. |
| 18:34.52 | abrotman | Gnea: we can call you now? |
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| 18:34.58 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah |
| 18:35.02 | xelam | hmmn |
| 18:35.04 | Gnea | oh look |
| 18:35.06 | abrotman | god .. how bored kids are these days |
| 18:35.09 | Gnea | someone's got a clue |
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| 18:35.23 | abrotman | how about we call uconn for abuse of thier network? |
| 18:35.23 | Gnea | prove it |
| 18:35.27 | abrotman | i'm sure they'd like to know |
| 18:35.33 | Gnea | yeah really |
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| 18:35.55 | abrotman | or i guess we could have #freenode do it .. since it's abuse of freenode |
| 18:35.56 | Cyanophytes | how do I close ports that I don't want open |
| 18:36.03 | Gnea | another religious zealot |
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| 18:36.28 | Gnea | thus. |
| 18:36.31 | xelam | if it was the uni i work at, we'd be more than willing to "have words" |
| 18:36.58 | Gnea | if no one worked on sunday there would be more chaos than there already is. |
| 18:37.01 | Gumby | any LVM users here? I rebooted my machine and one of my partitions is not recognized in my LVM anymore. I seem to be running in circles trying to fix it |
| 18:37.04 | abrotman | alindeman: if not .. i understand |
| 18:37.19 | pipeline | Gumby: Check dmesg, try "lvm pvscan" |
| 18:37.38 | abrotman | though . he is already +q .. so i guess he can't do anything but be a moron |
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| 18:37.46 | Gnea | noone_works_sun: so go get a clue yourself. oh yeah, and while mommy and daddy are paying for your tuition, get down and suck on my balls. |
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| 18:37.57 | abrotman | erm ... |
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| 18:38.04 | Gnea | HAHAHA |
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| 18:38.21 | abrotman | i wonder why his friend dinocore won't play with him .. perhaps a lover's spat? |
| 18:38.39 | paulswm | what, someone loves him? |
| 18:38.41 | lxuser | hi. i've got a problem. |
| 18:39.00 | Gnea | lxuser: present it. |
| 18:39.01 | Gnea | :) |
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| 18:39.44 | greve | hi all.... can anyone tell me how to get gnucash running with HBCI in sarge? did a system upgrade and found out the rough way that HBCI was apparently removed and there is no gnucash-hbci package left... since things have been restructured, trying to get gnucash-hbci from some other place brings you into dependency hell... |
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| 18:39.52 | lxuser | gnea: the latest sarge update obsoletes libkcal2, and this breaks lots of KDE packages. |
| 18:39.54 | mwilson | HCBI? |
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| 18:39.57 | yacoob | hm. |
| 18:39.59 | mankeletor | hi |
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| 18:40.07 | abrotman | greve: you'd have to contact the maintainer to see why it was removed .. might be a good reason |
| 18:40.11 | Gnea | lxuser: so don't use KDE |
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| 18:40.16 | lxuser | does this appen to anyone else? |
| 18:40.21 | yacoob | anyone here using fglrx + lcd? My fonts look a bit strange after switching to fglrx... |
| 18:40.29 | Gnea | lxuser: and/or file a bug report with BTS |
| 18:40.37 | Gumby | pipeline: dmesg shows nothing... " Couldn't find device with uuid 'ISBKAD-7SQt-B9Bo-ppng-G5Q6-Iu3D-uABjz7'." is the error I get for the hdd drive that is missing. as well as " PV unknown device VG 4474 lvm2 [74.53 GB / 0 free]" |
| 18:40.37 | kingsley | colde89: 13GB? Are you serious? |
| 18:40.40 | paulswm | lxuser: are you running the debian sarge distro? |
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| 18:41.00 | pipeline | Gumby: Well, that's uncool. It can't find a specific partition |
| 18:41.05 | greve | abrotman: thomas bushnell is the maintainer. googled that he removed it because "things will be real great once aqbanking is fully deployed in debian" |
| 18:41.07 | paulswm | lxuser: If you are running a straight debian sarge, tht shouldn't happen |
| 18:41.09 | daft_ | Is there a way to tell grub to choose one of the menu list on the last reboot(not the default) |
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| 18:41.10 | pipeline | Gumby: those uuid strings are written to a spot in the boot record :( |
| 18:41.18 | abrotman | greve: what is hcbi ? |
| 18:41.23 | pipeline | Gumby: Did a drive fail? do all of your raw hard drive devices appear where you expcet them too? |
| 18:41.25 | Gumby | pipeline: if I could just remove that uuid and then use pvcreate to create another on hdd and then readd it I should be fine. But I cant seem to remove the uuid |
| 18:41.38 | mwilson | Ok, I'm not installing all that crap just to see the current gnucash. |
| 18:41.39 | Gumby | pipeline: nope, drive is fine |
| 18:41.41 | pipeline | Gumby: Uh, you don't want to wipe out the data on a pv, I don't think |
| 18:41.42 | toresbe | ahahahahaha, best geek joke ever on Futurama |
| 18:41.44 | abrotman | mwilson: heh |
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| 18:41.48 | greve | abrotman: hbci = german standard for online banking. critical functionality for german gnucash users... have to do my taxes but can't. |
| 18:41.48 | Hali_303 | hi! |
| 18:41.53 | Gumby | pipeline: not the data, just the pv info |
| 18:41.53 | jor | yacoob: could be its using a different screen mode, or maybe different fontpaths in the config if you created a config with atis tool |
| 18:41.54 | paulswm | toresbe!!! |
| 18:41.55 | pipeline | Gumby: Are you using dm-mirror or something? I don't know anything about the bizarro RAID functions built into LVM |
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| 18:42.02 | toresbe | Prof. Farnsworth loses a horse race - as he rips his ticket apart he yells "No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!" |
| 18:42.03 | abrotman | greve: you could install the old version temporarily? |
| 18:42.04 | pipeline | Gumby: You don't want to wipe out the pv info |
| 18:42.06 | toresbe | paulswm! :) |
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| 18:42.19 | Gumby | pipeline: why not? I've done it before |
| 18:42.26 | yacoob | jor: no, I've generated new XFconfig and copied only driver section to my old XF86Config-4 |
| 18:42.29 | toresbe | paulswm: How are you? How's Nancy? I haven't talked to you in a while |
| 18:42.30 | mwilson | gnucash deps on *Gnome 1.4*? |
| 18:42.38 | greve | abrotman: looked for it. seems to have been eradicated quite succesfully... and the package was completely restructured. so things break in all areeas and corners. |
| 18:42.39 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 18:42.46 | Gumby | pipeline: and no raid or anything. Just 4 hdd;s. If you like have a look at http://ultimate.kicks-ass.net/files/lvm.txt |
| 18:42.49 | greve | like i said. dependency hell. |
| 18:42.50 | yacoob | jor: the resolution is also the same. |
| 18:42.53 | abrotman | mwilson: not mine |
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| 18:42.57 | mankeletor | i was instaled sarge with netinstaller but im not idea how configure adsl, can anybody help me? |
| 18:43.03 | paulswm | toresbe: Doing fine thatnks, how are you? |
| 18:43.04 | mwilson | abrotman: --> libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4) |
| 18:43.08 | abrotman | greve: snapshot.debian.net .. but you may not be able to get it to work |
| 18:43.10 | Gumby | pipeline: this happens everytime I need to reboot. I loose hdd from the LVM |
| 18:43.12 | abrotman | mwilson: gtk isn't gnome |
| 18:43.16 | Hali_303 | why is that after booting, some extra routing entries appear in the routing table? every reboot I have to do a route del -net localnet netmask 255.255.255.0 eth1 in order to clear these extra entries. but how do they get into the routing table? probably because some settings in /etc/network/interfaces? please help! |
| 18:43.22 | mwilson | abrotman: Of course not. |
| 18:43.25 | toresbe | paulswm: Did I tell you I sort of scored a decent PDP-11? |
| 18:43.25 | SyntaxNinja | howdy; after an apm -s (suspend) I can no longer mount my CD drive; it tries to mount, but hangs the system. anything in /etc/init.d I can restart to get the CDRom going again? |
| 18:43.27 | valdyn_ | mankeletor: run pppoeconf |
| 18:43.41 | abrotman | mwilson: so then it doesn't depend on gnome1.4 |
| 18:43.44 | mankeletor | ok, and them what? |
| 18:43.47 | toresbe | paulswm: with stuff like an MMU and stuff? |
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| 18:43.50 | mwilson | abrotman: gnucash deps on libgnomeprint-bin, which is part of Gnome 1.4 |
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| 18:44.00 | valdyn_ | mankeletor: and have you dsl stuff plugged in so it can find your access concentrator |
| 18:44.00 | Gnea | Hali_303: why do you delete them? |
| 18:44.01 | abrotman | mwilson: aren't you running sid? |
| 18:44.06 | mwilson | On this box. |
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| 18:44.13 | jetscreamer | mankeletor: i heard tell you shell out and do pppoeconf if you in the installer, otherwise just run pppoeconf |
| 18:44.28 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 18:44.31 | Hali_303 | Gnea, because they are not corret.. I dont want to route localnet to that interface! |
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| 18:44.55 | Gnea | Hali_303: what interface(s) do you have local ip's on? |
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| 18:45.01 | mankeletor | jetscreamer: ok |
| 18:45.04 | mwilson | abrotman: Gnome2's library is libgnomeprint2 |
| 18:45.09 | rpikid | hello..... i've done a crapload of searches on google for 'best linux wireless card' and such but most of the info is outdated that i'm finding... i have a chance to make installation as easy as possible since i'm buying the card right now - any suggestions? i'm running debian w/ kernel 2.6.10 |
| 18:45.15 | abrotman | mwilson: that's kind of odd |
| 18:45.32 | mwilson | abrotman: You have it installed? What does the copy you have installed dep on? |
| 18:45.46 | Hali_303 | Gnea, eth0 is 192.168.0.1, eth1 192.168.0.10, eth2 should have no ip address, since it is connected to the DSL modem (however, something sets it up as 192.168.0.1) |
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| 18:45.58 | abrotman | mwilson: says the same thing |
| 18:46.03 | Gnea | Hali_303: oh ok |
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| 18:46.10 | mwilson | Hali_303: Why wouldn't eth2 have an IP? |
| 18:46.12 | abrotman | mwilson: and i do have it installed .. oh well |
| 18:46.13 | Gnea | Hali_303: are you using PPPoE? |
| 18:46.18 | Hali_303 | Gnea,yes |
| 18:46.21 | abrotman | mwilson: guess they didn't move to gtk2 yet |
| 18:46.30 | Hali_303 | mwilson, cause it is connected to the DSL modem |
| 18:46.31 | mankeletor | jetscreamer: and how must i do to detect my ethernet pci adapter? |
| 18:46.32 | Gnea | Hali_303: then you need to change your 192 over to smoething else like 10. |
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| 18:46.46 | mwilson | Hali_303: Why does that mean it wouldn't have an IP? |
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| 18:47.00 | valdyn_ | mankeletor: did it not get detected when installing sarge? |
| 18:47.03 | Gnea | Hali_303: because the 192.168.0.1 gets there by the dsl modem for diagnostic purposes - technically you can safely remove it from eth0 |
| 18:47.09 | Gnea | er |
| 18:47.10 | Gnea | eth2 |
| 18:47.12 | Gnea | my bad |
| 18:47.31 | timeW | . |
| 18:47.33 | valdyn_ | mankeletor: it should happen automatically for most supported pci cards |
| 18:47.34 | Hali_303 | mwilson, AFAIK it doesnt need one when using PPPoE |
| 18:47.51 | xelam | of course it needs an IP address |
| 18:47.53 | mankeletor | valdyn_: hmmmmm maybe |
| 18:47.56 | jetscreamer | mankeletor: lspci then load the appropriate module... |
| 18:47.58 | roo9 | hi, i'm getting a "rpc.mountd: getfh failed: Operation not permitted" when trying to mount nfs (on all but 1 export), I have tried restarting NFS to no avail, this is on a setup that has been working flawlessly for years, that just stopped today |
| 18:47.59 | Gnea | wrong. |
| 18:48.01 | jetscreamer | mank |
| 18:48.04 | Gnea | eth2 does not need an IP. |
| 18:48.06 | xelam | but it should probably be the external one |
| 18:48.09 | valdyn_ | mankeletor: are you still in the installer? |
| 18:48.10 | jetscreamer | mankeletor: lspci then load the appropriate module... |
| 18:48.15 | Hali_303 | ppp0 does have an IP! |
| 18:48.20 | Gnea | Hali_303: right. |
| 18:48.21 | Hali_303 | but eth2 doesnt |
| 18:48.24 | Gnea | Hali_303: lemme guess |
| 18:48.28 | xelam | why are you using ppp0? |
| 18:48.30 | mwilson | Hm, PPPoE. The PPP interface would have the IP. |
| 18:48.34 | Gnea | Hali_303: you've got an entry in /etc/network/interfaces for eth2? |
| 18:48.39 | Hali_303 | Gnea, yes |
| 18:48.39 | xelam | with an ethernet adaptor? |
| 18:48.40 | bltzfsck | i can't make mplayer work yet, now it's saying libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss. |
| 18:48.40 | bltzfsck | libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading |
| 18:48.40 | bltzfsck | Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd |
| 18:48.43 | Gnea | xelam: it's called PPPoE |
| 18:48.47 | mwilson | ISP's using PPPoE should burn in hell. |
| 18:48.52 | xelam | j,,, |
| 18:48.54 | xelam | hmmm |
| 18:48.56 | xelam | yes. |
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| 18:48.58 | rpikid | no thoughts on best wireless card to get for debian? |
| 18:48.59 | Gnea | mwilson: so should you. |
| 18:49.01 | Hali_303 | Gnea, I have an entry there for all cards |
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| 18:49.05 | bltzfsck | i made /dev/dvd a symlink to /dev/hdc, which is my player |
| 18:49.12 | Gnea | Hali_303: ok - just get rid of the entry for eth2 |
| 18:49.12 | jetscreamer | bltzfsck: ln -sn /dev/hd? /dev/dvd |
| 18:49.16 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
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| 18:49.16 | Gnea | Hali_303: that'll fix it |
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| 18:49.31 | jetscreamer | lspci | grep ethernet mankeletor |
| 18:49.35 | mwilson | Gnea: Yes, I'm completely evil for not being the same sort of religious zealot as you. Haven't we covered that already? |
| 18:49.44 | valdyn_ | rpikid: ipw2x00 works nicely, i have no comparison info though |
| 18:49.46 | Hali_303 | Gnea, I tried that too, but it still upped as 192.168.0.1 :( |
| 18:49.46 | pseubodot | anybody have logs from the guy trolling? |
| 18:49.46 | Gnea | mwilson: haha you think i'm religious |
| 18:49.51 | bltzfsck | jetscreamer, i did ln -s what's the n? |
| 18:49.54 | Gnea | mwilson: get it right fuckface, i'm agnostic |
| 18:49.55 | mankeletor | ok jetscreamer |
| 18:50.02 | jetscreamer | aren't you satan or something |
| 18:50.12 | mankeletor | jetscreamer: my card is a via-rhine |
| 18:50.16 | pseubodot | I have an abuse-o-gram drafted to uconn netsec, but want to make it a bit more complete. |
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| 18:50.23 | valdyn_ | pseubodot: which guy |
| 18:50.23 | jetscreamer | make symbolic links instead of hard links |
| 18:50.31 | pseubodot | valdyn_: the one last in here. |
| 18:50.52 | bltzfsck | jetscreamer, you talkin to me? ln -s is s aymlink, no? |
| 18:50.55 | Gnea | Hali_303: wait - how did you treat it afterwards? did you do a full reboot or did you just restart networking? |
| 18:50.57 | Hali_303 | Gnea, what causes these entries to appear? because eth1 is 192.168.0.10, debian thinks that this routing should be done to this card? |
| 18:51.02 | abrotman | valdyn_: /lastlog uconn |
| 18:51.02 | jetscreamer | mankeletor: go to http://scyld.com/network.html iirc and find out what module your nic's chip wants, then modprobe it |
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| 18:51.19 | rpikid | valdyn: thanks... ipw2x00 - is that the driver/chipset? i am not familiar with what card that is... i was hoping more for a store brand i can go grab |
| 18:51.29 | SyntaxNinja | rpikid: did anyone answer your wireless card question? |
| 18:51.36 | Jon | anyone here experienced problems with PS2 keyboards and ACPI in 2.6 series kernels? |
| 18:51.36 | abrotman | man .. can you imagine being at college with no internet ? |
| 18:51.37 | Hali_303 | Gnea, rebooted |
| 18:51.39 | rpikid | syntax: getting there... heh u have thoughts? |
| 18:51.41 | jetscreamer | bltzfsck: make symbolic links instead of hard links |
| 18:51.42 | Gnea | Hali_303: just don't have an entry for eth2 in /etc/network/interfaces, it's that simple |
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| 18:51.47 | Jon | (I ask because I may be able to help) |
| 18:51.49 | mankeletor | ok jetscreamer thx |
| 18:51.50 | jetscreamer | bltzfsck: that's what s does |
| 18:51.58 | Hali_303 | Gnea, ok, then I'll try again! |
| 18:51.58 | mankeletor | thx all |
| 18:51.59 | Gnea | Hali_303: and switch from 192... to something else for your lan |
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| 18:52.09 | Hali_303 | Gnea, thank you! |
| 18:52.13 | Gnea | Hali_303: good luck |
| 18:52.14 | valdyn_ | rpikid: intel pro wireless, built into centrino notebooks, i have _no_ idea in what versions you can buy it seperately, or if you can |
| 18:52.14 | SyntaxNinja | rpikid: in my experience #wireless is a very helpful channel. one "classic" card is a pcmcia Orinoco Gold "classic" but there are other versions of that card that don't work, and cards with that same name that don't work |
| 18:52.15 | bltzfsck | jetscreamer, that's what i have. but what's the n in ln -sn? |
| 18:52.19 | Norsys | hi |
| 18:52.20 | mwilson | abrotman: Hm, I really thought GnuCash was a Gnome2 app now. |
| 18:52.35 | SyntaxNinja | rpikid: you have to get the "classic" version, often available on ebay. I've bought a few of them. |
| 18:52.37 | abrotman | mwilson: well . it would be odd if it asked for gtk1.2 and was a gnome2 app |
| 18:52.37 | bltzfsck | jetscreamer, i just did the ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd |
| 18:52.51 | jetscreamer | bltzfsck: ok |
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| 18:53.12 | rpikid | Syntax: hmmm pcmcia? im not using this on a laptop... |
| 18:53.12 | abrotman | valdyn_: make sense now? |
| 18:53.16 | bltzfsck | nevermind, ir'd the fm |
| 18:53.20 | A-z-i-z | what's the name of firefox pachage ? (i wanna get it by apt-get) |
| 18:53.27 | abrotman | A-z-i-z: mozilla-firefox |
| 18:53.29 | rpikid | Syntax: I have a "server" I have to put in another room (not much choice in the matter) and need a creative way to get a PCI card working with it |
| 18:53.31 | A-z-i-z | thanks |
| 18:53.34 | abrotman | !tell A-z-i-z about search |
| 18:53.36 | rpikid | I tried the netgear 311 v2 and it was a nightmare |
| 18:53.36 | SyntaxNinja | rpikid: http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/HardwareComparison |
| 18:53.43 | jetscreamer | aziz, light! |
| 18:53.44 | rpikid | apparently it used the texas instruments chip which is "mysterious" |
| 18:53.47 | valdyn_ | abrotman: not in my log |
| 18:53.48 | kingsley | How does one tell which number, like /dev/sg3 for example, has been assigned to a certain scsi device? |
| 18:53.57 | SyntaxNinja | rpikid: actually, one time I installed a pcmcia adapter in a desktop and used that orinoco card. very very easy. |
| 18:53.59 | valdyn_ | abrotman: so - no idea |
| 18:54.05 | mwilson | FAQ: "Is this a gnome2 application?" A: "No." This release still belongs to GnuCash's 1.8.x series which is not yet ported to gtk2/gnome2. Read more below. |
| 18:54.08 | Gnea | kingsley: you can usually pick it out of dmesg |
| 18:54.11 | abrotman | valdyn_: uhm .. you've been here at least an hour ? |
| 18:54.57 | rpikid | Syntax: hmmmm interesting... well that website u just pointed me to looks useful, |
| 18:54.59 | kingsley | Gnea: In my case, it's not in dmesg. |
| 18:54.59 | rpikid | thanks |
| 18:55.21 | Jon | !tell Jon about search |
| 18:55.24 | abrotman | valdyn_: oh .. do you have join/part messages not showing ? |
| 18:55.29 | Gnea | kingsley: hrm, was this from something at bootup time or a module you just loaded? |
| 18:55.30 | rpikid | ok im off to go buy something and see what happens heh |
| 18:55.32 | rpikid | snytax: much thanks |
| 18:55.42 | valdyn_ | abrotman: yea, both ignored |
| 18:55.53 | SyntaxNinja | rpikid: good luck. |
| 18:56.01 | SyntaxNinja | rpikid: you might have trouble finding something at the store. I buy online. |
| 18:56.08 | opqdonut | when i try to "modprobe ip_nat_irc" i get "init_module: Device or resource busy". flushing all chains and retrying didn't work. |
| 18:56.17 | abrotman | valdyn_: that's why it won't show for you |
| 18:56.26 | abrotman | valdyn_: if you really want .. i can /msg it to you :) |
| 18:56.30 | rpikid | syntax: i gotta get this up & workin today |
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| 18:56.41 | valdyn_ | abrotman: got a few +q and +b |
| 18:56.42 | rpikid | syntax: im hoping i can just find some sort of ethernet bridge or something actually... we'll see |
| 18:56.46 | Gnea | opqdonut: lsmod | grep ip_nat_irc <-- what does that return? |
| 18:56.49 | valdyn_ | abrotman: not the guy himself |
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| 18:57.01 | xelam | o.O |
| 18:57.01 | abrotman | valdyn_: he's been +q for a few days |
| 18:57.09 | opqdonut | Gnea: nothing. it isn't loaded |
| 18:57.14 | xelam | is +q "silenced"? |
| 18:57.17 | rpikid | bbl |
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| 18:57.37 | opqdonut | Gnea: it is in /etc/modules but it doesn't load. instead i get an error in dmesg |
| 18:57.45 | valdyn_ | xelam: quiet |
| 18:58.03 | Gnea | opqdonut: what kernel is that? and did you compile it yourself or install a kernel-image? |
| 18:58.12 | opqdonut | Gnea: self-compiled. 2.4.27 |
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| 18:58.33 | bltzfsck | opqdonut, i'm trying to remove a parport module, and getting the same message, thought there's nothing on the parallel port |
| 18:58.50 | Gnea | opqdonut: you sure you enabled the ip_nat_irc module? it's in /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ ? |
| 18:58.55 | opqdonut | Gnea: i compiled it verrry lon ago, tho |
| 18:58.58 | opqdonut | Gnea: it is there |
| 18:59.00 | xelam | valdyn_: i see |
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| 18:59.18 | Gnea | opqdonut: what happens if you: modinfo ip_nat_irc |
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| 18:59.32 | kingsley | Gnea: Thanks for asking. I replaced a failing SCSI hard drive with an IDE drive, and now, even though dmesg reveals that linux seen the SCSI host adapter (a Buslogic card at scsi0), /dev/sg2 no longer corresponds to a SCSI scanner. Naturally, I'm wondering which sg number now corresponds to the scanner, if any. The good news is that the scanner is reported in dmesg. The bad news is that its sg number isn't. |
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| 18:59.59 | opqdonut | Gnea: nothing special, do you want the output? |
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| 19:00.18 | opqdonut | filename: /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat_irc.o |
| 19:00.24 | Gnea | opqdonut: well at long as it's returning something... |
| 19:00.26 | opqdonut | and then some description stuff |
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| 19:00.57 | Gnea | kingsley: interesting. when the hd was installed was it the terminated device or the scanner terminated at the end of the chain? |
| 19:01.04 | opqdonut | Gnea: could it be because i have an active irc connection? seems unlikely |
| 19:01.33 | Gnea | opqdonut: doubt it, it should just 'work'.. woody/sarge/sid? |
| 19:01.41 | Fl0b | Can anyone help me out with installing my drivers and setting up everything for my NIC (it's a D-Link DFE-530TX+)?? |
| 19:01.46 | opqdonut | Gnea: sarge |
| 19:01.54 | Gnea | Fl0b: naw |
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| 19:02.31 | Gnea | Fl0b: j/k, have you googled for that? |
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| 19:02.44 | Gnea | opqdonut: what version of modutils? |
| 19:02.49 | Fl0b | i've read some tutorials and stuff and i still wasn't able to fix it |
| 19:02.54 | kingsley | Gnea: I've forgotten, but I see that the SCSI cable ends at yet another device, a tape drive. |
| 19:02.57 | Delph | a |
| 19:03.09 | opqdonut | modprobe version 2.4.26 <-- would this be it? |
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| 19:03.32 | opqdonut | Gnea: other modules load fine excetp ip_nat_ftp |
| 19:03.35 | Gnea | kingsley: might want to check /proc/scsi/scsi and /proc/scsi/sg/hosts |
| 19:03.42 | Ryushin | Are there faster mirrors for apt packages in the US besides ftp.us.debian.org? netselect-apt choose mirrors that were much slower. |
| 19:03.52 | Gnea | opqdonut: run this: depmod -a |
| 19:03.54 | mwilson | kingsley: It should have moved down. |
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| 19:03.59 | Gnea | opqdonut: do you get any errors? |
| 19:04.00 | Xandalf | hi |
| 19:04.13 | mwilson | kingsley: sane-find-scanner (or whatever they call it) doesn't see it any more? |
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| 19:04.16 | Pappa | hm |
| 19:04.16 | opqdonut | Gnea: no. shouldn't it be -aF ? |
| 19:04.17 | valdyn_ | Ryushin: i think netselect goes purely by ping value |
| 19:04.28 | Pappa | select() > threading > fork() ? |
| 19:04.31 | Gnea | opqdonut: no, just -a |
| 19:04.37 | mwilson | mailhost $ sudo sane-find-scanner |
| 19:04.42 | mwilson | found SCSI processor "HP C2520A 3503" at /dev/sg0 |
| 19:04.44 | opqdonut | Gnea: oh okay. no errors |
| 19:04.49 | Xandalf | I have an Asus P5gdc deluxe motherboard, but sarge netins does not detect de LAN card (with kernel 2.6) |
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| 19:05.03 | Mash | bye |
| 19:05.06 | Ryushin | valdyn_: I guess netselect needs to be updated then. :) |
| 19:05.12 | mwilson | I need another monitor. :) |
| 19:05.25 | Xandalf | I have downloaded the driver from asus webpage |
| 19:05.32 | opqdonut | Gnea: the kernel was compiled so long ago i can't remember whether i did it reight :) |
| 19:05.34 | Xandalf | but its a patch for kernel source |
| 19:05.35 | kingsley | Gnea: Yeah, I tried that, without result. Although the scanner is listed in /proc/scsi/scsi, its sg number is not. |
| 19:05.43 | Xandalf | what can I do to install debian ? |
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| 19:05.46 | Gnea | mwilson: i've got a spare 17" sony |
| 19:05.54 | Pappa | d-i is good. |
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| 19:06.06 | opqdonut | Gnea: i'm stuck with this 15" sony multiscan :/ |
| 19:06.13 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 19:06.22 | valdyn_ | Xandalf: download the complete first CD instead of d-i, then install and fix things as you like |
| 19:06.23 | mwilson | Gnea: I was just thinking having three monitors on my main box would be nice, but I'd have to put another video card in. |
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| 19:06.34 | Gnea | mwilson: hehehe |
| 19:06.37 | opqdonut | i think i'll recompile and come back then... |
| 19:06.52 | Xandalf | valdyn_, thats 650 MB? |
| 19:06.52 | mwilson | kingsley: sane-find-scanner doesn't see the device? |
| 19:06.59 | Gnea | i've always wanted a xinerama setup... i can wait a bit longer tho |
| 19:07.02 | valdyn_ | Xandalf: yea |
| 19:07.06 | Xandalf | ok |
| 19:07.17 | Xandalf | I will try |
| 19:07.18 | Xandalf | thanks |
| 19:07.42 | Gnea | my only complaint has been that there's always just one AGP slot - but PCI-X solves all of that these days AFAIK |
| 19:07.54 | kingsley | mwilson: Thanks. sane-find-scanner was a good idea. Indeed it did find the scanner. |
| 19:08.01 | goron | I haven't much experience with networking. Is it possible to access windows shares from Debian and if so, how? |
| 19:08.27 | valdyn_ | goron: yes, theres a gazillion ways to do this |
| 19:08.34 | Gnea | goron: samba and smbclient can do it |
| 19:08.45 | Fl0b | gnea can you help me soon? |
| 19:08.51 | valdyn_ | goron: do you know which desktop environment ( if any ) you are going to use? |
| 19:09.01 | goron | Do I need to configure something more on Windows? |
| 19:09.07 | goron | They are already shared. |
| 19:09.11 | Gnea | Fl0b: don't ask to ask, just put the problem out there |
| 19:09.16 | xelam | goron: mount -t smbfs //machine/share /mnt/directory |
| 19:09.21 | xelam | in simplest terms :) |
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| 19:09.36 | xelam | read "man mount"; in particular options for smbfs. |
| 19:09.48 | Gnea | hehe |
| 19:09.50 | valdyn_ | goron: yea, what xelam sais, or use nautilus or konqueror to access shares w/o using mount |
| 19:09.53 | goron | Well, I use Gnome, and I once saw such an option, so probably that works too :) |
| 19:09.58 | p8m | Gnea: PCI-X != PCI-e |
| 19:10.03 | Gnea | er |
| 19:10.05 | Gnea | p8m: right |
| 19:10.07 | p8m | :) |
| 19:10.08 | Gnea | hrm |
| 19:10.09 | goron | I will check it out. |
| 19:10.13 | Gnea | i should cook some spinach soon |
| 19:10.13 | valdyn_ | goron: so simply clock on the computer icon in gnome |
| 19:10.15 | xelam | or smbclient //machine/share for ftp-like interface |
| 19:10.22 | valdyn_ | goron: err, in nautilus |
| 19:10.45 | paulswm | Gnea == Popeye? |
| 19:11.08 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 19:11.09 | valdyn_ | goron: quite similar to windows "network environment" |
| 19:11.15 | Gnea | *.O |
| 19:11.19 | xelam | o.O |
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| 19:11.37 | opqdonut | `_´ |
| 19:11.38 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.41 | Gnea | ---u |
| 19:11.49 | opqdonut | heh |
| 19:11.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:12.06 | opqdonut | ____ ~~ |
| 19:12.08 | opqdonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.12 | opqdonut | nah |
| 19:12.18 | valdyn_ | goron: if those things dont work you may need to install a few more packages |
| 19:12.22 | goron | Well, I can see my Windows shares, but if I click all the way through, I see an empty list. So I can't access anything. |
| 19:12.53 | Pappa | is 12M/s fairly good for a http server? |
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| 19:13.00 | opqdonut | goron: psst. windows servers are broken. samba works with everything. |
| 19:13.10 | opqdonut | Pappa: megabit or megabyte? |
| 19:13.12 | valdyn_ | Pappa: how should this number be meaningful in any way? |
| 19:13.34 | xelam | goron: permissions issue perhaps, or it's taking a while to load the listing :) |
| 19:14.23 | opqdonut | hrm. i get only 64kb down from kernel.org... |
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| 19:14.24 | Pappa | megabyte. |
| 19:14.24 | opqdonut | kB that is :) |
| 19:14.24 | Pappa | well i guess it's ok |
| 19:14.24 | opqdonut | Pappa: depends on yer traffic |
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| 19:14.30 | opqdonut | Pappa: probably good enough |
| 19:14.51 | goron | opqdonut: So what do you suggest? |
| 19:14.52 | xelam | that's 100Mbps. |
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| 19:15.14 | valdyn_ | goron: "smbtree" in a shell is also a nice way to see which shares are around |
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| 19:15.39 | opqdonut | goron: i suggest having linux running samba as your main server. windows clients've never had problems with samba |
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| 19:15.57 | xelam | opqdonut: lol |
| 19:16.12 | opqdonut | that's true! it's the best solution |
| 19:16.25 | opqdonut | goron: might not be possible in your case, tho |
| 19:16.32 | Pappa | it's not good, actually. i am just trsting python |
| 19:16.38 | Pappa | testing* |
| 19:16.39 | benbread | Hey, I'm having some trouble with compiling new kernels on my Debian sarge distro. The prebuilt 2.6.8 kernel works fine, but i am unable to sucessfully compile a 2.6.11 kernel. recieving a 'VFS Error - Not syncing' kernel panic. I have made sure i have added built-in support for ext3, hell, i've even got a friend to do a config for me over SSH, but nothing works... any ideas? |
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| 19:16.45 | qat | anybody here ever setup an aureal vortex2 soundcard? i'm running kernel 2.6 and have the aureal.sourceforge.net drivers (note: i'm relatively new to linux) -- but when i do the 'make install', it errors out with the includes |
| 19:16.46 | goron | Well, I have a router and two computers attached to it. It's not a corporate network with 1000+ pc's... |
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| 19:17.01 | Pappa | and i wrote exactly the same server in C as in pythoin, and the C server does 50 |
| 19:17.06 | Pappa | MB/s |
| 19:17.18 | goron | smbtree does show all my shares. |
| 19:17.39 | valdyn_ | benbread: dont compile your own kernel if anyhow avoidable and you dont want to browse through lkml |
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| 19:19.01 | qat | anybody here ever setup an aureal vortex2 soundcard? i'm running kernel 2.6 and have the aureal.sourceforge.net drivers (note: i'm relatively new to linux) -- but when i do the 'make install', it errors out. |
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| 19:19.07 | redduck666 | how much ram does xfree86 usually use? |
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| 19:19.33 | redduck666 | qat, tryed apt-get? |
| 19:19.38 | valdyn_ | goron: now, mount -t smbfs -o username=name,passord=password //server/share /mnt/whatever |
| 19:19.43 | benbread | valdyn: Hehe, I want to compile a new kernel as the pre-built one has a lot of things set up i dont need, resulting in quite a slow boot |
| 19:19.50 | qat | redduck666: yeah, the apt package just has the sources, heh |
| 19:19.53 | paulswm | redduck666: at the moment mine is using 68MB virtual, 46MB resident |
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| 19:19.59 | redduck666 | qat, poste the output file at pastebin.com |
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| 19:20.11 | benbread | I'm intreuged to know what witchcraft is going on with the pre-built kernel that makes it work |
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| 19:20.12 | xelam | goron: if you want write access as non-root, you may need to do something else with valdyn_'s mount command |
| 19:20.13 | qat | erm |
| 19:20.18 | benbread | (the pre-built slackware kernel also failed with the same error) |
| 19:20.35 | goron | valdyn_: I think that's best. A transparant way to access files over the network. |
| 19:20.41 | qat | redduck666: it's seriously several pages of errors, hundreds if not thousands. let me launch X. |
| 19:21.13 | takatumi | benbread: your best bet is to work on the existing config and juggle around some more. |
| 19:21.33 | redduck666 | paulswm, thanks |
| 19:21.37 | jetscreamer | benbread: you sure that's not discover and hotplug, not the kernel? |
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| 19:21.56 | paulswm | redduck666: You're welcome |
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| 19:21.58 | valdyn_ | benbread: your theory, that a kernel with more stuff built in loads slower, is probably false |
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| 19:22.05 | redduck666 | qat, may i ask why not use alsa? |
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| 19:22.22 | valdyn_ | benbread: it can happen, but its not usually the case |
| 19:22.26 | jetscreamer | qat: you use the au8820 module, it's in the 2.6 kernel version, alsa. |
| 19:22.51 | takatumi | valdyn_: with and without an initrd, for sure. |
| 19:22.51 | benbread | valdyn_: hehe, i guess so, but everything seems very bloated |
| 19:22.51 | jetscreamer | or is that vortex2... might be a different # |
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| 19:23.09 | benbread | valdyn_: any idea why the pre-built kernel would work but not a kernel from kernel.org? |
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| 19:23.18 | valdyn_ | takatumi: i agree, though in my total boot time i wouldnt notice the bit for the initrd |
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| 19:23.25 | benbread | I believe i also compiled a kernel with debian patches with no avail |
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| 19:23.44 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | hello |
| 19:23.46 | goron | mount: unknown filesystem type 'smbfs' |
| 19:23.54 | goron | This means that I don't have kernel support? |
| 19:23.58 | Opiated | does anyone know why 'grep' is called 'grep'? |
| 19:24.01 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | I am from Argentina |
| 19:24.05 | paulswm | valdyn_: The initrd stuff and all the dettection makes for a very slow boot, custom kernels are so much faster and smaller (particularly the modules lib), but that's certainly not a reason in itself for everyone to roll their own kernel |
| 19:24.08 | xelam | goron: apt-get install smbfs |
| 19:24.08 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | HELPME |
| 19:24.12 | jetscreamer | goron youcompiled the smbfs modules ? |
| 19:24.13 | benbread | Opiated: grep is called grep? |
| 19:24.17 | xelam | ArGeNtO_100x100: you want asylum? |
| 19:24.21 | Opiated | yes, why |
| 19:24.22 | valdyn_ | benbread: use a known working config, remove drivers, thats probably easiest |
| 19:24.25 | goron | GNU regular Expr. |
| 19:24.28 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | wath?? |
| 19:24.29 | Opiated | ahh |
| 19:24.35 | xelam | 20:25 < ArGeNtO_100x100> I am from Argentina |
| 19:24.37 | xelam | 20:25 < ArGeNtO_100x100> HELPME |
| 19:24.37 | goron | Just a guess. |
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| 19:24.40 | benbread | valdyn_: explain? |
| 19:24.42 | Opiated | hmm |
| 19:24.44 | goron | Pretty educated though ;) |
| 19:24.46 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 19:24.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:24.46 | Shadax | hello everyone |
| 19:24.47 | Opiated | i been searching |
| 19:24.49 | Opiated | no dice |
| 19:24.52 | xelam | goron: smbfs is an apt-get-able package :) |
| 19:24.52 | Shadax | i |
| 19:24.53 | jetscreamer | ~es |
| 19:24.54 | apt | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 19:25.03 | benbread | goron: apt-get install smb |
| 19:25.05 | mwilson | Huh... mysql-admin is quite nice |
| 19:25.09 | jetscreamer | smbfs is an pat-gettable SOURCE |
| 19:25.15 | jetscreamer | apt even |
| 19:25.16 | apt | odd |
| 19:25.16 | Shadax | i'm absolutely convinced to get debian distro... and i think i want sarge cuz it supports multiprocessors and modules etc... |
| 19:25.20 | mwilson | Gods, I wish I was a semi-current dba... |
| 19:25.20 | takatumi | benbread: the .config for your debian kernel-image should be in /boot/config-2.6.x |
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| 19:25.40 | Shadax | but... will sarge support my 9800 pro or an x800 xl when i get one? |
| 19:25.42 | xelam | ArGeNtO_100x100: what help do you need dear? |
| 19:25.47 | jetscreamer | mwilson: it's only 10 bucks |
| 19:25.52 | xelam | Shadax: well yes |
| 19:25.54 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | aja |
| 19:25.56 | goron | What was the command to get the .config of the running config? I did compiled it with that option. |
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| 19:26.00 | jetscreamer | Shadax: ati is weird |
| 19:26.03 | Shadax | ive heard there are problems w/ ati gfx cards |
| 19:26.08 | mwilson | jetscreamer: What is? |
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| 19:26.11 | goron | running config->running kernel |
| 19:26.13 | xelam | Shadax: it depends what you want to do with it :) |
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| 19:26.20 | Shadax | i want hardware accel |
| 19:26.21 | valdyn_ | benbread: try a random debian kernel, boot it , see if it works, if it works, get its source, use the config from the working on in /boot/config-2.6*, compile a new one, test, remove stuff, compile, test, etc |
| 19:26.23 | jetscreamer | a dba mwilson |
| 19:26.32 | Shadax | gaming - pc game emulation |
| 19:26.38 | benbread | Shadax: I'd go for the sarge distro, it will allow you to install with the 2.6 kernel, plus in my experiance, woody is rather more complex and the net-inst seems to only be able to install from modem not over LAN |
| 19:26.41 | mwilson | No, not that I had a certificate or something... that I was actually *current*. |
| 19:26.46 | jetscreamer | probably wrong dba |
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| 19:26.49 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 19:26.54 | mwilson | My idea of databases is xBase, |
| 19:26.57 | Eclipser | Shadax, compiling fglrx is a bit tricky on 2.6.10+ for now |
| 19:27.06 | benbread | valdyn_: thanks :) |
| 19:27.09 | Shadax | ok... but i need to be positive my ati drivers will work before going linux at all |
| 19:27.13 | xelam | Shadax: nvidia is much better supported than ATI |
| 19:27.16 | Eclipser | Shadax, I'd get nvidia if I were you :) |
| 19:27.18 | Shadax | argh |
| 19:27.21 | takatumi | goron: /boot/config-2.x.x or /proc/config.gz |
| 19:27.21 | mwilson | And I know enough SQL get myself into trouble. |
| 19:27.22 | valdyn_ | paulswm: ill have to clock it one day, i cant say i notice subjectively |
| 19:27.23 | Shadax | i hate nvidia :S |
| 19:27.27 | jetscreamer | mwilson: i was thinking dba as in doing business as.. oopps |
| 19:27.42 | Eclipser | my ut2k3 doesn't run on my radeon 9600xt |
| 19:27.42 | benbread | Shadax: What chip, my ATI card works fine |
| 19:27.44 | jetscreamer | yeh i can break sql also |
| 19:27.52 | Shadax | x800 xl |
| 19:27.58 | Shadax | or currently 9800 pro |
| 19:28.11 | jetscreamer | Eclipser: that's because ureal < d3 |
| 19:28.12 | Shadax | both released BY ati |
| 19:28.17 | benbread | Check the Xserver website for compatability |
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| 19:28.37 | Shadax | uhh |
| 19:28.45 | Eclipser | jetscreamer, all fps's generally suck, doom3 just sucks more, anyway... I'm just glad that my neverwinter nights runs fine :) |
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| 19:29.00 | Shadax | hl2! cs source! |
| 19:29.18 | paulswm | valdyn_: I notice because one of my boxes is a p133 with 32MB and HD transfer rate of 3.4 MB/s, and, believe me, the difference is noticeable :) |
| 19:29.19 | jetscreamer | Eclipser: btw, start whatever from an xterm may/can give you better error messages |
| 19:29.59 | Fl0b | seems there's a spare copy of Winxp pro SP2 lying on my brother's server. |
| 19:30.02 | Fl0b | woops |
| 19:30.05 | Eclipser | there's no error messages :) |
| 19:30.06 | Pappa | the cs source players look like the benny hill show |
| 19:30.07 | Shadax | lol |
| 19:30.12 | Eclipser | I just get 1fps from ut2k3 |
| 19:30.18 | Fl0b | Can anyone help me out with installing my drivers and setting up everything for my NIC (it's a D-Link DFE-530TX+)?? |
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| 19:30.20 | Shadax | no hardware accel? |
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| 19:30.21 | Fl0b | thats the one :D |
| 19:30.27 | Eclipser | Shadax, with |
| 19:30.30 | jetscreamer | Eclipser: your vid card aint set up right then |
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| 19:30.41 | Shadax | yeah |
| 19:30.46 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: into which interface is that nic plugged in? |
| 19:30.46 | Eclipser | Shadax, as I said, my neverwinter nights runs just fine with full detail and 1024x768 resolution |
| 19:30.55 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: usb? cardbus? pci? |
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| 19:30.57 | Shadax | that doesnt mean anything |
| 19:30.59 | Fl0b | valdyn_: PCI |
| 19:31.00 | Pappa | Fl0b: lspci |
| 19:31.03 | Pappa | ? |
| 19:31.07 | jetscreamer | Eclipser: like i said, start it from an xterm |
| 19:31.18 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: ok - we dont care about its brand name, what does lspci say about it? |
| 19:31.19 | Shadax | that should be able to run w/o hardware accel |
| 19:31.24 | Eclipser | jetscreamer, nnngh, and as I said, there's no error messages :) |
| 19:31.27 | Shadax | ut04 is demanding on gfx card |
| 19:31.32 | Shadax | much like halo |
| 19:31.36 | Shadax | but not as buggy |
| 19:31.37 | Pappa | is it that cheapass dlink nic? that's the via-rhine driver |
| 19:31.40 | jetscreamer | o.. missed that |
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| 19:31.47 | Fl0b | can you pm me? |
| 19:31.48 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | hello |
| 19:31.51 | Pappa | iirc.. |
| 19:32.10 | jetscreamer | irc makes me non-productive!!! so...... |
| 19:32.10 | Fl0b | i'm using 8139too driver |
| 19:32.14 | Shadax | hi argento |
| 19:32.14 | Pappa | modproobe via-rhine && dhclient eth0 |
| 19:32.15 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: if you use pm you get quite limited on people helping yu |
| 19:32.18 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: if you use pm you get quite limited on people helping you |
| 19:32.22 | Fl0b | i understand |
| 19:32.27 | Pappa | huh? hm |
| 19:32.27 | Eclipser | Shadax, I assure you, my hardware acceleration works just fine :) |
| 19:33.05 | Shadax | hmm |
| 19:33.09 | Eclipser | Shadax, nwn does not run without hardware acceleration (at least with full detail and that high resolution) |
| 19:33.21 | Shadax | ah |
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| 19:33.38 | Shadax | what distro? |
| 19:33.38 | Eclipser | but |
| 19:33.43 | Shadax | n kernel |
| 19:33.43 | Pappa | right my bad |
| 19:33.44 | Eclipser | debian sarge |
| 19:33.47 | Shadax | oh |
| 19:33.51 | Shadax | weird then |
| 19:33.57 | Shadax | what gfx card |
| 19:33.57 | Pappa | it's rtl8139too, or should be, Fl0b |
| 19:34.02 | Eclipser | 2.6.11.5, fglrx 8.10.19 or something |
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| 19:34.15 | Fl0b | valdyn_: Ethernet controller: D-Link systeam Inc. RTL8139 Ethernet (rev 10) |
| 19:34.18 | Eclipser | I had to poke around with fglrx source to get it compiled with 2.6.10+ kernel |
| 19:34.20 | Pappa | so 8139too is the right module |
| 19:34.22 | Gathond | Eclipser: actually I have had nwn run non accelerated, at about 1/10 FPS on my XP 2100+ :) |
| 19:34.27 | mwilson | Hm, is mysql-navigator even still maintained? Or is there something better now? |
| 19:34.30 | Shadax | lol |
| 19:34.31 | Eclipser | Gathond, hehe |
| 19:34.36 | Eclipser | I hope ati releases new drivers soon |
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| 19:34.39 | goron | Ok, I have WORKINGGROUP \\SOMENAMEOFMACHINE-NUMBER\\SOMENAMEOFMACHINE-NUMBER\SHARE1 |
| 19:34.41 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: pappa got it |
| 19:34.44 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | I'M frm Argentina |
| 19:34.56 | ch_ | how can I display all the logs on xterm? |
| 19:34.56 | Shadax | god i want an x800 xl so bad |
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| 19:35.01 | Pappa | you using dhcp, Fl0b ? |
| 19:35.03 | mwilson | Oh, there it is. |
| 19:35.03 | Shadax | why cant ati get their shit together |
| 19:35.08 | Fl0b | Pappa: yes |
| 19:35.09 | valdyn_ | goron: use / , not \ in linux |
| 19:35.15 | goron | It seems logical that working group is WORKINGGROUP, but I am not sure what the rest of the options should be, |
| 19:35.31 | Pappa | well try to do a dhclient eth0 |
| 19:35.33 | goron | valdyn_: That might help |
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| 19:35.38 | mwilson | mysql-query-browser, now. |
| 19:35.57 | Fl0b | Pappa: how i do that? |
| 19:36.13 | goron | Do those slashes belong to the workgroup or not? |
| 19:36.18 | Pappa | log in as root, type dhclient eth0 |
| 19:36.35 | valdyn_ | goron: workgroup doesnt matter to mount it |
| 19:36.39 | Fl0b | k |
| 19:36.40 | Fl0b | did |
| 19:36.57 | Pappa | got a "bound to ..." message, Fl0b ? |
| 19:37.02 | valdyn_ | goron: mount -t smbfs -o <blah> //SOMENAMEBLAH/SHARE1 /mnt/whatever |
| 19:37.05 | Pappa | if you did, it should be fine |
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| 19:37.34 | Fl0b | eht0: setting 100mbps full-dubplex based on aut-egotiated partner aibility 45e1 |
| 19:37.55 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: nice, now add that module to /etc/modules |
| 19:37.57 | Pappa | well that proves it works |
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| 19:38.02 | Pappa | and do this too: |
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| 19:38.14 | Pappa | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:38.16 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: without the ".ko" |
| 19:38.19 | Pappa | and add: |
| 19:38.24 | Pappa | auto eth0 |
| 19:38.31 | Pappa | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 19:39.05 | goron | valdyn_: Now I get 15464: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 19:39.09 | goron | SMB connection failed |
| 19:39.12 | Pappa | hm |
| 19:39.20 | Pappa | maybe i should try a debian kernel |
| 19:39.33 | valdyn_ | goron: you need to supply password and username probably, depending on how youre sharing it |
| 19:39.58 | goron | valdyn_: Well, I can execute smbtree with the empty password. |
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| 19:40.08 | xelam | goron: thats irrelevent |
| 19:40.11 | Pappa | why are all the apt-gettable modules for 2.4 kernels? that takes some of the automagic fun away from the 2.6 series =/ |
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| 19:40.31 | Shadax | hey eclipser, did you try installing ut04 as a windows game and emulating it? |
| 19:40.35 | valdyn_ | goron: being able to see a share doesnt mean youre permitted to acess the contents |
| 19:40.45 | takatumi | Pappa: most of those might be built-in to 2.6 |
| 19:40.48 | Fl0b | valdyn_: the module: 8139too right? |
| 19:40.59 | Gnea | Pappa: 2.6 is a different structure than 2.4 |
| 19:41.01 | Pappa | meh.. |
| 19:41.03 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: yea |
| 19:41.06 | Pappa | i'm looking for wlan-ng |
| 19:41.07 | xelam | goron: mount -o username=blahblah .... |
| 19:41.15 | Fl0b | valdyn_: w/o what .ko? |
| 19:41.22 | Gnea | wlan-ng is easy, what you need? |
| 19:41.22 | xelam | then you'll be prompted for a password for that user |
| 19:41.24 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: yep |
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| 19:41.36 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: err, sorry, just add what you used in modprobe |
| 19:42.02 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: the .ko is the ending of the file, doesnt concern you |
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| 19:43.56 | Shadax | " If 3D performance is your primary concern, an nVidia Geforce2 GTS or Geforce3 card is probably the best bet. However, if you don't like nVidia's binary driver policies, the high-end open-source option is the ATI Radeon." |
| 19:44.03 | Shadax | uhhh |
| 19:44.18 | valdyn_ | Shadax: wow nice bullshit |
| 19:44.21 | Shadax | i cant find a site with info |
| 19:44.32 | Fl0b | k |
| 19:44.33 | valdyn_ | Shadax: on what? |
| 19:44.41 | Fl0b | sweet |
| 19:44.45 | Shadax | ati's supported cards |
| 19:45.02 | valdyn_ | !tell shadax about ati drivers |
| 19:45.03 | Shadax | i wanna use an x800 in sarge |
| 19:45.07 | fooz | you know the GeForce2 GTS and GeForce 3 are extremely old cards, right? |
| 19:45.10 | fooz | years and years? |
| 19:45.15 | valdyn_ | Shadax: that site lists supported cards too |
| 19:45.26 | Shadax | ok thx |
| 19:45.36 | redduck666 | Shadax, if you are looking for ati support you can check #ati |
| 19:45.47 | Fl0b | how can i make sure it's working? |
| 19:45.47 | Shadax | o.o lol |
| 19:45.47 | Shadax | ok |
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| 19:46.11 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces as pappa said? |
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| 19:46.29 | redduck666 | what is cvs in why it is different from a "classic" tarball? |
| 19:46.45 | valdyn_ | !cvs |
| 19:46.45 | dpkg | [cvs] the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 19:46.46 | Gnea | !cvs |
| 19:46.51 | Gnea | heh |
| 19:46.58 | Fl0b | yah i put at the bottom autoeth0 |
| 19:47.09 | Fl0b | iface eht0 inet dhcp |
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| 19:47.16 | green_earz | are any of the ati drivers for the Radeon apt-get able like the nvidia ?? |
| 19:47.24 | Gnea | redduck666: basically code from a cvs repo is considered bleeding-edge |
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| 19:47.25 | Eclipser | Fl0b, without the typos I hope |
| 19:47.29 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: auto and eth0 needs a space in between |
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| 19:47.38 | Gnea | redduck666: it might work and it might melt your cpu |
| 19:47.41 | schelm | does anybody know where to get libpng1-dev? cant find it anywhere |
| 19:47.45 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: type "ifup eth0" |
| 19:47.53 | Fl0b | yah no typos |
| 19:48.03 | Fl0b | under those lines? |
| 19:48.05 | Eclipser | green_earz, no |
| 19:48.09 | redduck666 | Gnea, thanks |
| 19:48.12 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: no, in a shell |
| 19:48.13 | Gnea | np |
| 19:48.16 | Fl0b | k |
| 19:48.41 | Fl0b | ifup: interface eth0 already configured |
| 19:48.50 | Eclipser | ifdon eth0 |
| 19:48.53 | Eclipser | erm |
| 19:48.57 | Eclipser | ifdown eth0 |
| 19:48.58 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: np. thats not an error |
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| 19:49.33 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: dont bring it down yet, you should working network now |
| 19:49.39 | Fl0b | dammit |
| 19:49.39 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: dont bring it down yet, you should haveworking network now |
| 19:49.40 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 19:49.46 | Fl0b | i did ifdown eth0 |
| 19:49.52 | takatumi | green_earz: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/ have heard these work. |
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| 19:49.55 | Eclipser | then do ifup eth0 again :) |
| 19:49.58 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: so ifup eth0 again |
| 19:49.59 | Fl0b | k |
| 19:50.01 | Fl0b | did |
| 19:50.14 | Eclipser | ifconfig should show you an ip? |
| 19:50.43 | Fl0b | inet addr:192.168.1.101 |
| 19:50.55 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: looks good |
| 19:51.05 | Eclipser | try pinging something |
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| 19:51.09 | Fl0b | i'm trying to ping this comp, it ain't working |
| 19:51.42 | Eclipser | are you sure you don't have a firewall blocking the ping? |
| 19:51.50 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: what are you trying to pig _exactly_ ? |
| 19:51.50 | Fl0b | haha |
| 19:51.53 | Fl0b | good point |
| 19:51.55 | goron | valdyn_: Ok, it seems kde is somewhat further with this technology. I now see a list of shares, but it asks for my password. I didn't define one in Windows(I do have a username ofcourse). Is there some default password? |
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| 19:52.32 | valdyn_ | goron: your windows users have empty passwords? |
| 19:52.47 | goron | valdyn_: Yes, pretty insecure probably. |
| 19:52.50 | Eclipser | damn |
| 19:52.51 | biohazrd | any good sites to explain how to downgrade from sid to testing? |
| 19:52.53 | green_earz | takatumi: thanks for that will be checking it out. it look like nvidia and mplayer do not run well together. and ati are going open sauce. |
| 19:52.56 | Fl0b | i'm trying different it, it's not working |
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| 19:53.07 | goron | valdyn_: Or not? |
| 19:53.08 | Fl0b | ip* |
| 19:53.11 | Eclipser | I shut down my sshd on my desktop computer and I'm too lazy to walk to my desk from bed... |
| 19:53.19 | Gnea | biohazrd: easy |
| 19:53.22 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: dont tell me "not working", least you can do is paste the error |
| 19:53.49 | Eclipser | valdyn_, ping usually doesn't give any errors if it can't get a response |
| 19:53.55 | Gnea | biohazrd: backup you /home dir and any email from /var/mail, boot a sarge iso, reformat & reinstall |
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| 19:54.11 | Eclipser | Fl0b, what's your other computers ip address |
| 19:54.14 | valdyn_ | Eclipser: then he can paste whatever ping ouputs last, or describe it |
| 19:54.21 | biohazrd | heh.. |
| 19:54.23 | Fl0b | i pinged a diff ip |
| 19:54.24 | Gnea | Hali_303: hey there, any luck? |
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| 19:54.40 | Fl0b | didn't give a response just sitting the _" |
| 19:54.44 | Hali_303 | Gnea, Hi! I'm back :) I've removed the entry of eth1 from the interfaces file, but then what will up this card? |
| 19:54.47 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: ping your dhcp server |
| 19:54.48 | Fl0b | is just blinking |
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| 19:54.57 | jarjar26 | HI all, i use winbind to authenticate linux user on my domain, i have got error when user attempt login : Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info |
| 19:55.04 | Gnea | Hali_303: i thought it was eth2? |
| 19:55.46 | Hali_303 | Gnea, eth2 was the DSL modem I removed that too. but for eth1, it still adds the extra "route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth1" entry.. |
| 19:56.01 | Gnea | Hali_303: well yes... |
| 19:56.08 | Rawplayer | Hali_303: eth1 is your localnet |
| 19:56.14 | Rawplayer | your lan interface |
| 19:56.18 | Fl0b | k i pinged my dhcp server |
| 19:56.19 | Gnea | Hali_303: if you have a 192 ip on eth1 then it needs to have that, you can't go w/o it |
| 19:56.25 | Eclipser | and it worked? |
| 19:56.28 | Fl0b | urd dit |
| 19:56.30 | Fl0b | yes sir* |
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| 19:56.34 | Eclipser | haha |
| 19:56.38 | MasterKnight | hi |
| 19:56.42 | Gnea | Hali_303: unless you choose a completely different private ip space for it |
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| 19:56.54 | schelm | does anybody know where to get libpng1-dev? cant find it anywhere |
| 19:56.58 | xelam | MasterKnight: tallyho |
| 19:57.03 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: now ping your gateway |
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| 19:57.12 | Eclipser | Fl0b, next you need to fix your NAT (assuming you have one :) |
| 19:57.17 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: or is that the same? |
| 19:57.26 | Hali_303 | Gnea, Rawplayer , but instead of "route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth1" i'd rather have "route add specific_host eth1" instead.. this is not possible then? |
| 19:57.27 | streuner | schelm: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:57.37 | xelam | schelm: you cant use a newer version? |
| 19:57.40 | Gnea | Hali_303: no. |
| 19:57.52 | schelm | xelam, no i need the old version |
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| 19:58.00 | goron | What can I do about those empty passwords(except for defining them in Windows) and how insecure is it? |
| 19:58.04 | Rawplayer | Hali_303: what do you want? |
| 19:58.08 | streuner | !tell schelm -about sdn |
| 19:58.10 | xelam | schelm: http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/libpng-dev |
| 19:58.30 | Gnea | Hali_303: ifconfig and ip are the only commands to add an ip to an interface - once the ip is on the interface, the associated network is bound to it |
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| 19:58.42 | hail04 | how does one mend locate. It used to work for me and now im getting locate: /var/lib/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 19:58.52 | Rawplayer | updatedb |
| 19:58.52 | Hali_303 | Gnea, Rawplayer, I simply dont want to route every packet of 192.168.0.0 to be routed to eth1, only those which are addressed to specific_host |
| 19:58.57 | Gnea | Hali_303: you could, however, use a different netmask to conclude separate address space within 192 |
| 19:59.10 | Fl0b | k i pinged my gateway it worked |
| 19:59.13 | Gnea | Hali_303: then don't use a /24 |
| 19:59.32 | Fl0b | Eclipser: can you help me configure my NAT? |
| 19:59.33 | xelam | hail04: run updatedb |
| 19:59.38 | Rawplayer | why dont you want everypacket routed over your interface? |
| 19:59.52 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: we dont know if you have a NAT at all |
| 20:00.03 | Fl0b | how would i find out? |
| 20:00.04 | Gnea | Rawplayer: what he's saying is that he wants both interfaces to be completely independant of each other |
| 20:00.08 | hail04 | ta |
| 20:00.10 | Hali_303 | Gnea, oh I see, then I have to use netmask 255.255.255.255 so that it matches the host exactly? |
| 20:00.15 | Eclipser | Fl0b, can you ping an ip address outside your local network? |
| 20:00.19 | Rawplayer | he needs to create vlans |
| 20:00.25 | Rawplayer | if he wants that |
| 20:00.33 | Gnea | not necessarily |
| 20:00.34 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: do you have any computer beside the gateway that can access the internet? |
| 20:00.38 | Rawplayer | yes it is |
| 20:00.55 | Fl0b | yes this one |
| 20:01.03 | Fl0b | i have 2 |
| 20:01.13 | Gnea | Hali_303: what you're saying is that you want to be able to extend the network packets from each interface to their own hubs/switches separately? |
| 20:01.25 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: so you appearantly have a NAT already |
| 20:01.37 | goron | valdyn_: Any idea about those empty passwords and what the security risks exactly are? |
| 20:02.00 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: skipping some things ... "route add default gw <gatewayIP>" |
| 20:02.12 | Eclipser | erm |
| 20:02.17 | Eclipser | dhcpd should tell him that |
| 20:02.19 | aliasptr | Is anyone running the "unofficial" AMD64 debian port testing and have gotten the JRE firefox plugin to work using make-jpkg with Sun's AMD64 1.5 file? |
| 20:02.25 | xelam | goron: the risks are (probably) that someone with access to your network (possibly over the internet) can access your shares? |
| 20:02.29 | jim | sameer: please don't /dcc me |
| 20:02.35 | Hali_303 | Gnea, eth1 is connected to a remote PC using a cross cable. I wanna route only the packets addressed to this remote PC onto eth1 |
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| 20:02.57 | Gnea | Hali_303: ok, use a /30 then instead of a /32 |
| 20:03.03 | valdyn_ | goron: its not a problem if your windows box is not reachable from outside |
| 20:03.04 | Gnea | Hali_303: have you heard of sipcalc? |
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| 20:03.20 | Pappa | what file does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 write? |
| 20:03.31 | Gnea | Hali_303: a /30 will put one ip on eth1 and one ip on the other machine, and that's it |
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| 20:03.36 | Fl0b | valdyn_: SIOCADDRT: File Exists |
| 20:03.37 | aliasptr | Pappa, have you touched the file manually and then urun dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:03.38 | Pappa | cant find no XF86Config* |
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| 20:03.45 | xelam | Pappa: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 20:03.46 | DarknessX | Pappa: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:03.46 | xelam | oh |
| 20:03.52 | Gnea | Hali_303: then you have to consider eth0 |
| 20:04.30 | Gnea | Hali_303: if you put 192.168.0.1/30 on eth1, then 192.168.0.2/30 goes on the other machine with the crossover cable, so .0-.4 would be used up |
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| 20:04.33 | Pappa | there is no /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 20:04.35 | darkcmd | do you guys think KDE 2.2.2 will run decently on a 233MHz Pentium with 64mb ram |
| 20:04.43 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: should be able to access internet hosts then |
| 20:04.44 | Gnea | Hali_303: how many machines u wanna connect to eth0? |
| 20:04.47 | goron | valdyn_: Don't you need to explicitly say "yes, I want my computer to be reachable out of this network"? |
| 20:04.55 | Eclipser | Fl0b, does `route` list your gateway? |
| 20:04.57 | pureone_ | darkcmd not very well |
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| 20:05.03 | valdyn_ | goron: not if its the gateway |
| 20:05.08 | darkcmd | would KDE 3.3 run better? |
| 20:05.08 | yacoob | F1 :( |
| 20:05.15 | pureone_ | i dont belive so |
| 20:05.19 | valdyn_ | goron: or more precisely, not if its the NAT box, assuming you do nat |
| 20:05.22 | goron | valdyn_: It's connected via a router to the internet. |
| 20:05.32 | pureone_ | fluxbox may be your best bet |
| 20:05.37 | valdyn_ | goron: safe enough then |
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| 20:05.43 | yacoob | Suddenly, DRI stopped working. Funny thing is, in /var/logXFree.log Direct Rendering is mentioned as 'yes' but it is not in glxinfo output |
| 20:05.55 | yacoob | radeon 9200, oss radeon driver |
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| 20:06.07 | Hali_303 | Gnea, eth0 is connected to a bunch of PCs with addresses like 192.168.0.x, eth1 is connected to the PC with a cross cable (address 192.168.0.5) and eth2 to the DSL modem |
| 20:06.10 | goron | valdyn_: but still the issue with the empty password. |
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| 20:06.17 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: try one that will answer pings, like 131.159.72.21 |
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| 20:06.25 | Gnea | Hali_303: right. |
| 20:06.29 | yacoob | I've already disabled radeonfb, that could be causing problems... |
| 20:06.34 | valdyn_ | goron: you mean you cannot access the share? |
| 20:06.34 | darkcmd | ok, I want to download the ISOs for Woody.... which ones do I need to run KDE 2.2 on it |
| 20:06.36 | Eclipser | yacoob, fglrx? |
| 20:06.36 | linusthepenguin | anyone know how to apt-get gnome 2.10.0 ? |
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| 20:06.43 | Fl0b | Eclipser: it says Destination: 192.168.1.0 Gateway: * Genmask: 255.255.255.0 |
| 20:06.50 | drac | yacoob: 'LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo' give you any hints why? |
| 20:06.52 | chealer | linusthepenguin: /topic |
| 20:07.03 | Fl0b | k i pinged that ip |
| 20:07.05 | Fl0b | it works |
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| 20:07.20 | p8m | hi |
| 20:07.22 | Gnea | Hali_303: ok, how about this - how many PCs connected to eth0? |
| 20:07.38 | Eclipser | Fl0b, ok, now try something like www.google.com |
| 20:07.45 | Hali_303 | Gnea, 5 |
| 20:07.48 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: thats www.leo.org, you have working internet access then |
| 20:07.49 | p8m | How do I select the wm started by xdm? It seems to ignore .xinitrc |
| 20:07.50 | yacoob | Eclipser: yup, everything started when I've tried to run fglrx :> I've got some glitches (not ocping with radeonfb for example), so I've copied old config back, and here I am :/ |
| 20:08.05 | Fl0b | google.com worked too |
| 20:08.19 | Eclipser | yacoob, did you recompile kernel or something? |
| 20:08.26 | Eclipser | Fl0b, then your internet works fine :) |
| 20:08.30 | goron | valdyn_: Yes, konqueror tells me to give a username and password. I supply my username and an empty password, but it doesn't give me access. |
| 20:08.31 | linusthepenguin | chealer: through apt-get, I get the 2.8 version... I want 2.10 instead |
| 20:08.52 | chealer | linusthepenguin: check the channel topic |
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| 20:08.56 | Gnea | Hali_303: i'd do this then: give eth0 192.168.0.1/28 and give eth1 192.168.0.17/30 |
| 20:09.04 | xelam | linusthepenguin: sounds like you want to break things tbh |
| 20:09.12 | Fl0b | how i set my ip to 192.168.1.12 |
| 20:09.17 | valdyn_ | goron: which windows version is sharing stuff? |
| 20:09.26 | linusthepenguin | You suggest to stay with 2.8 anyways? |
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| 20:09.32 | goron | XP |
| 20:09.32 | Gnea | Hali_303: then you get some breathing room to add more machines to the lan if need be |
| 20:09.38 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: why would you want to do that? |
| 20:09.39 | yacoob | Eclipser: no, I'm testing it on the same kernel. |
| 20:09.46 | xelam | linusthepenguin: why do you want 2.1 instead of .8? |
| 20:09.50 | yacoob | Hmmm, drac. Interesting thing I've got. |
| 20:09.55 | yacoob | libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _gl |
| 20:09.56 | Fl0b | so i can keep it static |
| 20:09.58 | yacoob | api_noop_enable_warnings) |
| 20:10.09 | yacoob | funny thing is, no upgrade was done in the meantime. |
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| 20:10.11 | valdyn_ | Fl0b: read the faq and / or "man interfaces" |
| 20:10.15 | linusthepenguin | Wanted to try it out... I guess it's not stable enough huh? |
| 20:10.20 | Hali_303 | Gnea, ok, good idea, I'll try! thank you |
| 20:10.29 | linusthepenguin | Thanks... gnome installing. |
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| 20:10.34 | Eclipser | yacoob, try recompiling/installing fglrx |
| 20:10.41 | yacoob | (but it shouldn't use r200, it should use radeon_dri) |
| 20:10.43 | Gnea | Hali_303: make sure the ip's on those machines use the same netmask or it won't work right |
| 20:10.43 | Tsukasa | hello |
| 20:10.52 | xelam | Fl0b: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:10.52 | yacoob | Eclipser: I'm not using it at the moment. |
| 20:10.58 | Eclipser | oh :) |
| 20:11.10 | drac | yacoob: Could you post XF86Config-4 somewhere? |
| 20:11.22 | yacoob | drac: sure, just a sec. |
| 20:11.26 | xelam | Fl0b: eg: |
| 20:11.27 | xelam | iface eth0 inet static |
| 20:11.27 | xelam | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.27 | xelam | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.27 | xelam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.43 | drac | yacoob: And in case libGL.so.1.2 is somehow been overwritten, reinstall the driver package also. |
| 20:11.49 | valdyn_ | goron: i cant help you directly anyway, i would try to make that share public first, then try to access, then, once that works, restrict it |
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| 20:11.54 | Tsukasa | who knows how does X dpi matches with Xft dpi? |
| 20:12.01 | Fl0b | thanks xelam |
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| 20:12.11 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: hmm? |
| 20:12.31 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: wrong question i think, what exactly is your issue? |
| 20:12.37 | bwlang | anybody have experience with 2.6.11.6 ? good or bad? |
| 20:12.39 | Tsukasa | i mean is 100 dpi in X the same as 100 dpi in TTF? |
| 20:12.50 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: sure |
| 20:12.53 | mwilson | bwlang: Do you need to update your kernel? |
| 20:13.17 | jim | Tsukasa: I would imagine that also has to do with the size of your monitor |
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| 20:13.25 | yacoob | drac: http://yacoob.dnsalias.net/sakwa/XF86Config-4 |
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| 20:13.27 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: a dot in this sense is a pixel on your screen |
| 20:13.30 | Tsukasa | hm... but the 100 dpi X fonts look of different size |
| 20:13.37 | Tsukasa | on the screen |
| 20:13.49 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: than what? |
| 20:14.14 | bwlang | mwilson: my fbdev does not work correctly with 2.6.9... i see some changelog mentions of sisfb so i thought i'd try it. |
| 20:14.23 | Tsukasa | they should match :D |
| 20:14.24 | drac | yacoob: Hmm, you said you're using fglrx drivers? Or did you get you all wrong :\ |
| 20:14.32 | mwilson | Ew, why do you need fbdev? |
| 20:14.39 | streuner | yacoob: nice domain :-) |
| 20:14.43 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: you should tell us the problem, 100 dpi fonts look different THAN WHAT ? |
| 20:14.52 | Tsukasa | mm... ok |
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| 20:14.56 | xelam | than apples? |
| 20:15.02 | Eclipser | 75dpi fonts? |
| 20:15.13 | yacoob | drac: I *was* trying to use it, ran into some glitches, and fell back to old config, using oss driver. |
| 20:15.21 | yacoob | streuner: dyndns has them :) |
| 20:15.35 | streuner | yacoob: 'hell.pl |
| 20:15.42 | yacoob | drac: radeon module is there, and is loaded. |
| 20:15.45 | drac | yacoob: Ok, I guess you have to reinstall xlibmesa-gl package then, since libGL.so.1.2 has been overwritten by fglrx drivers. |
| 20:16.05 | Tsukasa | if i look at an X font of 100 pt it should of the same size as 10 in TTF? |
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| 20:16.21 | yacoob | streuner: ah :> |
| 20:16.25 | mwilson | Tsukasa: It should? |
| 20:16.33 | Tsukasa | i do not know :D |
| 20:16.38 | mwilson | Why would it |
| 20:16.39 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: a pixel is a pixel is a pixel |
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| 20:16.44 | yacoob | drac: oh crap. Here it is, in dpkg -l fglx-driver :E |
| 20:16.45 | Fl0b | thanks all |
| 20:16.52 | yacoob | guess it is late, after all :E |
| 20:17.05 | Tsukasa | yes, pixel is a pixel. i am talking about points |
| 20:17.52 | mwilson | Tsukasa: Yes, but you're using 100 dpi as a measurement. If you want them to be the same size, then X has to know the DPI of your monitor. |
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| 20:18.00 | Tsukasa | you know, there is ptSz in xfontsel |
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| 20:18.20 | Tsukasa | how does that value correspond to TTF points? |
| 20:18.37 | mwilson | It doesn't "correspond"... a point is a point is a point. |
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| 20:18.51 | mwilson | Otherwise, what good would it be as a measurement? |
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| 20:19.29 | yacoob | drac: but anyway, I'm going to give fglrx another try, once I hop to 2.6.10. Have you been using it, perhaps? |
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| 20:19.31 | mwilson | You ask X for a 100 dpi core font at 10 pt, if it doesn't know (or has the wrong number) for the DPI of the monitor, of course it's going to look different from a scalable font. |
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| 20:19.50 | Tsukasa | hm... well, i have found that if i set Xft.dpi: 96 then 100pt Xfonts correspond (about) to 10 ttf |
| 20:20.13 | mwilson | Tsukasa: Unlikely. |
| 20:20.14 | goron | valdyn_: Thanks for all your efforts. I will read some more about the topic, and put passwords on the accounts, and then I will probably get it to work. |
| 20:20.20 | Tsukasa | and i run X with -dpi 100 |
| 20:20.34 | cat | yuck |
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| 20:20.47 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: you have a real misconception there |
| 20:20.49 | mwilson | For the THIRD time, what you TELL X, and what the monitor actually IS, need to be the same. |
| 20:20.53 | darkcmd | what would be better for older hardware, sarge, or woody |
| 20:21.05 | Tsukasa | yes yes |
| 20:21.12 | drac | yacoob: Yeah, check out #ati if you have problems. I'm sitting there also. |
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| 20:21.27 | mwilson | Tsukasa: a pt is 1/72 inch. |
| 20:21.44 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: the dpi value is for whatever displays fonts to know which true size something has in like inch |
| 20:22.03 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: and a pt is 1/72 inch like mwilson sais |
| 20:22.04 | drac | yacoob: fglrx compiles cleanly on 2.6.10, but with 2.6.11.x you'll need a patch. |
| 20:22.06 | mwilson | Tsukasa: What is the ACTUAL DPI of your monitor? |
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| 20:22.28 | Tsukasa | it is a 17' monitor |
| 20:22.28 | soth` | i have a problem, bastille's tmp dir security setup means mysql can;t write to its temp file, any way to fix this? |
| 20:22.36 | mwilson | Tsukasa: What does that have to do with it? |
| 20:22.45 | Tsukasa | 1024x768 |
| 20:22.52 | mwilson | Tsukasa: Or that? |
| 20:23.06 | valdyn_ | that makes ~75 dpi i think, little more |
| 20:23.08 | deja_vu | any ideas what might cause something like this on my second screen (Elsa Winner 2000 with glint driver): http://himbeere.shacknet.nu/upload/scrollbar.jpg ? |
| 20:23.19 | Tsukasa | yes, about that |
| 20:23.22 | cahoot | mwilson: isn't the physical dimenson of interest? |
| 20:23.24 | Nprfrldr | is there a command which I could use to download a file listed as an http link? I'd like to down load http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin-1.190.tar.gz. I'm trying to do this on a remote system, so no browser on remote |
| 20:23.40 | mwilson | cahoot: Yes, but "it's a 17 inch monitor" is a nonsense statement. |
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| 20:23.42 | cat | Nprfrldr: wget url |
| 20:23.44 | jim | Nprfrldr: look into wget |
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| 20:23.45 | deja_vu | Nprfrldr: wget :) |
| 20:23.52 | Nprfrldr | thanks Cat |
| 20:23.56 | Nprfrldr | and Dej |
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| 20:24.18 | Madmax | hello guys. |
| 20:24.24 | mwilson | Nprfrldr: No browser? Or no GUI? One does not imply the other. |
| 20:24.33 | mrhemlock | Nprfrldr, there are text mode browswers, links, w3m...... |
| 20:24.44 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: any X font system needs to know your DPI, so setting it just for Xft does not make much sense |
| 20:25.09 | Tsukasa | well, i set it by hands to 100 dpi when i run X |
| 20:25.18 | Delph | oh, and NB that isn't a direct link to a file on sourceforge: you'll get various redirects and stuff. |
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| 20:25.30 | Madmax | i got a problem: in every x app configuration window the captions are normal and readable.. the values are really badly readable.. how can i set that font to a specific value so they get bigger and readable? |
| 20:25.38 | mwilson | Tsukasa: No, you tell X that it's 100 dpi. You're not SETTING anything, unless you think X has some way to magically change the physical properties of the monitor. |
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| 20:26.11 | Tsukasa | well, X scales the fonts accordingly to that value, right? |
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| 20:26.39 | Madmax | Tsukasa, no i mean the values in the textboxes.. they are unreadable.. but the captions are ok |
| 20:26.42 | mwilson | Tsukasa: Extreme example... if I tell X to run at 100 DPI, on a 17 inch monitor, and then run that monitor at 320x200 resolution, how many dots are ACTUALLY in an inch? |
| 20:26.50 | toresbe | hmmm |
| 20:26.58 | toresbe | I recently got a new computer |
| 20:27.07 | mwilson | Tsukasa: And yes, X scales the fonts according to that value, which is why it's important to have the RIGHT value. |
| 20:27.11 | toresbe | How can I measure CPU temp, fan speed and so on? |
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| 20:27.34 | Madmax | mwilson, where to set the value? |
| 20:27.41 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | isnt there a linux version of MBM5? |
| 20:27.43 | mwilson | Madmax: In your X configuration. |
| 20:27.47 | mwilson | SPEEDing|V\oNK: No. |
| 20:27.58 | tam | is there a way to clear your print queue it has came up and i need to delete it. i have no access to lprm but i can see my request in lpq |
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| 20:28.12 | valdyn_ | Madmax: search for "DisplaySize" in "man XF86Config-4, X can compute the proper value from that |
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| 20:28.17 | Tsukasa | yep, assume i have a magnifying glass before my screen that makes it to appear larger :D the real value does not matter then |
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| 20:28.19 | xelam | tam: depends on the print system |
| 20:28.19 | mwilson | tam: If you don't have rights to remove jobs from the queue, then contact someone who can? |
| 20:28.21 | valdyn_ | Madmax: and gnome has its own settings |
| 20:28.22 | Madmax | valdyn_, thx |
| 20:28.29 | xelam | but i'd say you need lprm -P printer <job> |
| 20:28.32 | mwilson | Tsukasa: No, the real value ALWAYS matters. |
| 20:28.43 | apokryphos | When making a .deb from source, is there a quick way to resolve dependencies? With version number required etc... ? |
| 20:28.45 | Pappa | toresbe: with i2c, try apt-cache search sensors |
| 20:28.52 | mwilson | Tsukasa: As you're trying to make two differing systems match, a bitmapped font and a scalable one. |
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| 20:29.08 | Tsukasa | what matters is the correspondens between rendering in X and in the ttf font library... |
| 20:29.11 | apokryphos | (when making a .deb package from the package source, that is) |
| 20:29.29 | darkcmd | should I put sid or sarge |
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| 20:29.38 | darkcmd | i mean woody or sarge on a pentium 233mhz |
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| 20:33.13 | mwilson | Tsukasa: No, because such a correspondence does not exist. |
| 20:33.13 | Tsukasa | well, but those native X fonts do have a _resolution_, do not they? |
| 20:33.13 | Adil93 | i cant get my bios to boot debian from a usb thumbdrive |
| 20:33.13 | Adil93 | can someone please help me out? |
| 20:33.13 | valdyn_ | Tsukasa: bitmapped fonts do |
| 20:33.13 | mwilson | Tsukasa: Since you do not understand how these things work, and are asking about them, why do you argue with the answer you get? |
| 20:33.13 | xelam | Adil93: symptoms? |
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| 20:33.13 | Tsukasa | hey, i am not arguying with anyone, do not get wrong ideas |
| 20:33.13 | Adil93 | the usb drive just wont boot |
| 20:33.13 | Adil93 | goes straight to window |
| 20:33.13 | Adil93 | s |
| 20:33.14 | poonj | hey guys... |
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| 20:33.14 | mwilson | Tsukasa: Of course you are. |
| 20:33.14 | poonj | I have a pcHDTV setup and I got the channels all setup...however when I try to watch live TV, I just see a blank screen |
| 20:33.14 | poonj | any ideas as to what I am doing wrong? |
| 20:33.14 | xelam | Adil93: is the bios set to boot from USB? |
| 20:33.14 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | is there a toutorial i can use to install drivers ie nvidia / nforce ect, or a good how-to/tourotial for newbies? i know MS inside and out but i know next to null bout *nix |
| 20:33.14 | Tsukasa | ok, it seems you guys are in bad mood or tired |
| 20:33.14 | darkcmd | hey guys.. what would you install on a 233MHz Pentium, woody or sarge? |
| 20:33.14 | Adil93 | yep, USB-ZIP, then USB-FDD |
| 20:33.14 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | preferable for debian |
| 20:33.14 | valdyn_ | SPEEDing|V\oNK: not everything at once, nvidia gfx drivers: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 20:33.22 | jim | !nvidia |
| 20:33.22 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 20:33.23 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:33.33 | valdyn_ | SPEEDing|V\oNK: and "/msg dpkg nvidia drivers" for howto etc. |
| 20:33.34 | mwilson | Tsukasa: Why? Because we won't confirm your mistaken ideas about how X works? |
| 20:33.45 | xelam | Adil93: well i suspect the bios doesnt support usb pen drives -- usb-zip and usb-fdd are for usb zip and floppy drives only |
| 20:33.45 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | valdyn_, thx again |
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| 20:34.12 | Gnea | SPEEDing|VoNK: sounds like a newer system - you might want to look into using the gcc C compiler and maybe how to compile your own kernels |
| 20:34.18 | Tsukasa | oops, you are getting moved. sorry, nwilson |
| 20:34.23 | paulswm | darkcmd: I'm running sarge on a 133MHz Pentium with 32MB memory, but I am *not* running X. You can run either, but X is going to be very, very slow |
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| 20:35.00 | Adil123456 | xelam> sorry di u say sometihng, i got disconnected |
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| 20:35.10 | xelam | Adil93: well i suspect the bios doesnt support usb pen drives -- usb-zip and usb-fdd are for usb zip and floppy drives only |
| 20:35.15 | Jax | a file needs write permission to be able to be deleted by any user, yes? |
| 20:35.21 | Adil123456 | ohh, i c.. |
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| 20:35.22 | mwilson | Jax: No. |
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| 20:35.30 | mwilson | Jax: The directory containing it does. |
| 20:35.31 | Adil123456 | xelam> will a bios update help? |
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| 20:35.47 | xelam | Adil123456: it may well do, or it may not :| |
| 20:35.49 | Isuckbash | what was the file to touch to not make fsck run on boot |
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| 20:36.00 | Jax | ah ok |
| 20:36.00 | paulswm | Jax: The user needs write permission on the directory, as when you delete a file it's the directory that you're modifying |
| 20:36.01 | Jax | thx |
| 20:36.07 | mwilson | Isuckbash: If fsck needs to run, let it run. |
| 20:36.17 | Pappa | Isuckbash: edit /etc/fstab |
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| 20:36.40 | Isuckbash | mwilson, i have reasons, the HD is so damanged that any fsck exits with a bus error after trying to read a few blocks, two of them failing |
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| 20:36.50 | mwilson | Isuckbash: So replace the HD. |
| 20:36.51 | Isuckbash | pappa, mh its the root file system, ro |
| 20:37.03 | Isuckbash | wilson, i wanna do another thing instead? |
| 20:37.04 | skrald | I have a problem with my xterm. Non of the jump-word-forward/backward keys works (CTRL-left/right) and neither do delete-word (ALT-backspace). Where can I enable these keys? |
| 20:37.15 | Servo888 | What kernel source works with kernel-image-2.6.10-1-386? |
| 20:37.19 | Isuckbash | there was a file to touch to make debian ignore fsck |
| 20:37.26 | valdyn_ | Isuckbash: e2fstune or similar |
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| 20:37.28 | Isuckbash | but i realize, i may still have to remount it rw |
| 20:37.29 | mwilson | No there wasn't. |
| 20:37.30 | paulswm | Isuckbash: so you need to get what you can off the drive, it sounds like the HD is failing |
| 20:37.38 | markybob | Servo888, lay off the crack. do you know what you just said? |
| 20:37.52 | Isuckbash | mwilson sure? i've seen it at some extensive online-converting-to-debian guide |
| 20:37.53 | Jax | heh |
| 20:37.56 | yahalom | ok guys...i use ubuntu, can anyone tell me about debian? |
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| 20:38.02 | Pappa | /dev/hda4 / reiserfs noatime 0 0 # will disable fsck |
| 20:38.03 | mwilson | Isuckbash: Then go read that guide. |
| 20:38.07 | Jax | what are linux-headers for ? |
| 20:38.07 | Servo888 | markybob, I think - the image is just the kernel images, I want to know what kernel-source to use with that image. |
| 20:38.09 | yahalom | how is debian better? |
| 20:38.09 | Adil1 | xelam> thanks, ill try to update it, if not do have any other alternatvie? or do i have to do the boot from a cd or something? |
| 20:38.13 | RolandU | hi all! I am not sure what's wrong here. I am trying to mount a harddisk as usual, but it says "unknown device". mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt/x1 |
| 20:38.14 | Isuckbash | uhm thx as far i can think myself too wilson |
| 20:38.15 | jim | markybob: I think he needs the corresponding headers (just a guess) |
| 20:38.21 | Eclipser | yahalom, o.O - what do you want to know :) |
| 20:38.24 | Adil1 | xelam>btw, the thumbdrive is foamtted fat32, is that okay? |
| 20:38.24 | cbr_ | how do i know whether my debian uses alsa or not? |
| 20:38.33 | markybob | Servo888, what are you trying to do? why do you want the source? trying to compile a program? |
| 20:38.34 | valdyn_ | cbr_: cd /proc/asound/ |
| 20:38.34 | Isuckbash | paul, HD is dying since long, i hope to still use it though |
| 20:38.35 | Petro | I've never used a desktop PC with Debian before, how do I put it to sleep like a laptop so that I don't have to lose my uptime? |
| 20:38.37 | mwilson | Pappa: Why in the world would you put your root fs on Reiser? |
| 20:38.37 | paulswm | yahalom: debian is safer becasue ubuntu is a mix of two debian distros (testing and unstable) |
| 20:38.55 | cbr_ | $ alsamixer |
| 20:38.55 | cbr_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 20:39.00 | cbr_ | why does it say that |
| 20:39.03 | markybob | people in here should know by now to never mention reiserfs around mwilson |
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| 20:39.06 | yahalom | is there a great difference? |
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| 20:39.13 | Pappa | mwilson: why not? everything that's "on root" is /tmp anyway. |
| 20:39.15 | yahalom | can i take more control in debian? |
| 20:39.19 | mwilson | markybob: Or several other people. |
| 20:39.24 | markybob | :) |
| 20:39.34 | Eclipser | yahalom, I've heard that debian has more packages, but other than that I don't know |
| 20:39.39 | Eclipser | I've never used ubuntu :) |
| 20:39.39 | mwilson | Pappa: Even better reason for it not to be Reiser. |
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| 20:39.49 | Pappa | why ? |
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| 20:39.52 | mwilson | Pappa: You have /etc on its own partition? |
| 20:39.53 | Servo888 | markybob, I'm trying to figure out the apt-get system I guess. I want to boot up into the 2.6.10 kernel, so I apt-get that kernel-image, but I will also need the kernel source so I can compile some 3rd party modules. |
| 20:39.53 | Isuckbash | mwilson see :13 in /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh |
| 20:40.05 | Pappa | no, that's bad |
| 20:40.16 | markybob | Servo888, no you dont. you need the headers. apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:40.29 | mwilson | Pappa: So you have /etc on Reiser, not just /tmp. Anything ELSE you have on Reiser? |
| 20:40.30 | paulswm | yahalom: if you use debian sarge you have a clean distro that's safer to update, hardly anyone here has used ubuntu probably |
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| 20:40.58 | markybob | Servo888, with the headers you'll be able to compile third party modules |
| 20:41.04 | yahalom | and debian is still totally free? total open source? |
| 20:41.17 | Delph | paulswm: i've used ubuntu's live CDs. I keep on getting it segfaulting on me =:/ |
| 20:41.19 | jim | yahalom: yes |
| 20:41.25 | darkcmd | hey guys |
| 20:41.27 | markybob | yahalom, still? c'mon. that's one thing that'll never change. |
| 20:41.30 | Delph | yahalom: there's all sorts of information about what goes into debian on the website. |
| 20:41.30 | darkcmd | I'm looking for an opinion |
| 20:41.35 | Servo888 | markybob, ok so the kernel source (headers) are provided by the kernel-headers package. That's all I needed to know. Thanks |
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| 20:41.45 | darkcmd | on a 233MHz Pentium, would you run Woody, or Sarge |
| 20:41.54 | jim | darkcmd: you should change your nick to foofighter! |
| 20:41.54 | mwilson | Isuckbash: Yes, what about it? |
| 20:41.58 | markybob | Servo888, no. you're confused. there's a difference between source and headers. headers is what you want to compile third party modules, though. |
| 20:41.59 | Pappa | well i have /var /usr /lib /boot /bin on ext3, the rest is reiser on various partitions |
| 20:42.00 | paulswm | Delph: See what happens when you leave the True Way and the Force diminishes? :P |
| 20:42.11 | foofighter | ok |
| 20:42.12 | Delph | paulswm: you give me a debian liveCD then =:P |
| 20:42.19 | yahalom | i'm just a guy who doesnt like change, and then all of a sudden in the middle of the night, i format my pc and try new distros |
| 20:42.22 | Servo888 | markybob, so what's the kernel-source? |
| 20:42.29 | foofighter | jim: so what is your opinion? |
| 20:42.32 | paulswm | Delph: Build one :P |
| 20:42.34 | foofighter | on that box, woody, or sarge |
| 20:42.36 | jim | that was it! |
| 20:42.36 | yahalom | no one here used ubuntu and debian? |
| 20:42.48 | markybob | Servo888, if you wanna compile the *kernel* ...not third party modules. |
| 20:42.53 | Isuckbash | mwilson thats the file |
| 20:42.57 | markybob | Servo888, there's a difference. |
| 20:42.58 | Pappa | don't go "reiser will crash" on me cause i don't really care, i have lots of tapes in case (never actually had use of one.) |
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| 20:43.02 | chealer | yahalom: do you use amd64? |
| 20:43.02 | markybob | Servo888, which is why i asked what you wanted to do |
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| 20:43.16 | yahalom | chealer, nope. AMD, but not 64. |
| 20:43.21 | yahalom | chealer, why? |
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| 20:43.32 | Servo888 | markybob, oh. So the kernel-image is just the kernel image, the kernel source is the ENTIRE kernel source, while the kernel-headers contains just the kernel headers for compilig 3rd party modules. Right? |
| 20:43.38 | Nprfrldr | when I try to {tar xvzf somefile.tar.gz} I get the error {gzip: stdin: not in gzip format} doesn't the .gz ending mean the file is in gzip format? |
| 20:43.42 | markybob | Servo888, yes. |
| 20:43.42 | mwilson | Isuckbash: That's a one-time boot option for fast-booting. Did you forget to read the whole file, perhaps? |
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| 20:43.55 | chealer | yahalom: I think they have support for it (but I'm not sure). but that makes no difference for you |
| 20:43.56 | foofighter | ok, should I run Debian woody, or sarge on this 233mhz box? |
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| 20:44.12 | Nurbs | your choice |
| 20:44.21 | yahalom | chealer, Debian doesnt have support for amd 64? |
| 20:44.24 | mwilson | Nprfrldr: Doesn't mean that's what's IN the file. |
| 20:44.26 | jim | foofighter: what will you use the box for? |
| 20:44.28 | ysothoth | foofighter: No repeats. |
| 20:44.30 | mwilson | Nprfrldr: Use file(1) and see. |
| 20:44.36 | chealer | yahalom: not before sarge is stable |
| 20:44.46 | foofighter | jim: IRC, instant messaging, and some webpage, email viewing |
| 20:44.48 | foofighter | and such |
| 20:44.49 | bas | i am experiencing wireless and non-wireless networking problems on one machine after an upgrade: when i run dhclient it tells me: "send_packet: message too long". also static config doesnt help. any ideas? cant ping anything |
| 20:44.49 | Nprfrldr | k |
| 20:44.51 | foofighter | music playing also |
| 20:44.59 | chealer | yahalom: that means no optimized support |
| 20:45.01 | paulswm | Delph: When you buy your own island, I demand that you invite me on vacation to help you build the livecd in between drinking beer and fishing :P |
| 20:45.14 | jim | so desktop entertainment and basic communication |
| 20:45.17 | jim | either is fine |
| 20:45.20 | foofighter | ok |
| 20:45.25 | jim | how much ram? |
| 20:45.26 | Delph | paulswm: agreed. |
| 20:45.30 | foofighter | 96mb |
| 20:45.40 | jim | add lots more ram |
| 20:45.47 | foofighter | I can't |
| 20:45.50 | foofighter | its maxed |
| 20:45.58 | foofighter | I was thinking about running IceWM |
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| 20:46.09 | foofighter | and Xchat, and gaim |
| 20:46.11 | yahalom | chealer, how long will that take? |
| 20:46.12 | foofighter | and maybe XMMS, and Mozilla |
| 20:46.14 | foofighter | that's about it |
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| 20:46.22 | jim | ok, what about using that box as a gateway/dhcp/dns? |
| 20:46.23 | foofighter | will sarge be fine? |
| 20:46.27 | jim | sure |
| 20:46.30 | chealer | yahalom: between 1 and 2 months |
| 20:46.32 | paulswm | Delph: I'll do the same :P |
| 20:46.38 | foofighter | this will be my only box |
| 20:46.41 | foofighter | I don't need a gateway |
| 20:46.43 | mwilson | I wouldn't use Mozilla, I'd use something like links2, but other than that, it should be OK. |
| 20:46.49 | jim | ok |
| 20:46.58 | Pappa | or netcat. |
| 20:47.00 | foofighter | so Sarge > IceWM + Xchat + XMMS + Firefox maybe? |
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| 20:47.12 | foofighter | will it be fast enough? |
| 20:47.12 | Delph | foofighter: all those packages exist in Sarge |
| 20:47.14 | yahalom | chealer, ah thats not bad. |
| 20:47.18 | Pappa | Dillo or links2 ? |
| 20:47.24 | tzafrir_laptop | what about kaz-something? the new skipstone? |
| 20:47.27 | yahalom | chealer, debian has no live cd right? |
| 20:47.33 | foofighter | jim: will it be fine? |
| 20:47.36 | mwilson | foofighter: crapfox or moz, makes no difference. |
| 20:47.48 | tzafrir_laptop | Anyway, dillo wasn't usable enough last time I tried. |
| 20:47.50 | chealer | yahalom: right. I guess usually knoppix does the job |
| 20:47.54 | foofighter | so what should I go for? |
| 20:47.56 | DoppelGanger | 96mb of ram is 2 much ram sometimes |
| 20:47.57 | yahalom | which debian do i download? |
| 20:48.06 | Delph | tzafrir_laptop: it's fine, so long as your website isn't demanding Flash with the extra shiney bells and whistles |
| 20:48.07 | mwilson | yahalom: The one you want to run. |
| 20:48.09 | chealer | yahalom: you mean woody or sarge? |
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| 20:48.23 | foofighter | so should I run woody or sarge on my box given the information I gave you? |
| 20:48.25 | foofighter | either one? |
| 20:48.29 | mwilson | Delph: Well, of course you want to disable Flash, no matter what browser you're using. |
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| 20:48.41 | yahalom | chealer, i just see on the site there are many options, i want the newest, dont care if its too stable, makes it more fun |
| 20:48.50 | ysothoth | foof - sargs, and don't install anything |
| 20:48.56 | markybob | foofighter, you know, women hate men who cant make up their own minds. |
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| 20:49.10 | chealer | yahalom: hum...what are the many options? I don't think of that many |
| 20:49.17 | foofighter | markybob: I was just looking for a suggestion, before I waste my time on DIAL UP, downloadign it. |
| 20:49.22 | foofighter | downloading |
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| 20:49.26 | paulswm | yahalom: sarge if you want stability, sid if you are prepared to risk occasional breakage, sid is newer |
| 20:49.37 | jim | foofighter: the differences are: (1) woody is permanently frozen (2) therefore woody is stable, solid as a rock (3) sarge is still in flux, (4) sarge has newer stuff than woody |
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| 20:50.02 | foofighter | I'll go for sarge then |
| 20:50.21 | Delph | foofighter: grab the netinst installer and go for it =:) |
| 20:50.23 | paulswm | foofighter: that's a good choice for a desktop |
| 20:50.24 | green_earz | yahalom: for the sarge net installer > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/rc3/ > pick the sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:50.41 | foofighter | ok thanks :) |
| 20:50.44 | jim | sarge will still break occasionally, but not so often (well that is the hope) as sid |
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| 20:50.57 | green_earz | yahalom: are you a dsl user ? |
| 20:50.59 | foofighter | I won't be updating packages fast enough for it to break on me |
| 20:51.00 | foofighter | I think |
| 20:51.02 | yahalom | what do most debian users use |
| 20:51.10 | yahalom | green_earz, no,cable |
| 20:51.11 | green_earz | sarge |
| 20:51.13 | jim | debian! |
| 20:51.13 | foofighter | most desktop users have told me sarge |
| 20:51.16 | paulswm | I haven't had a break in sarge, but I guess breakage depends on what packages you're running |
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| 20:51.19 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 20:51.28 | green_earz | yahalom: thats perfect |
| 20:51.45 | foofighter | my friend is going to get the install cds for me.. since I have dial up |
| 20:51.48 | ribnitz | how mature is jfs? |
| 20:51.49 | Mike77_linux | Hello again. Can anyone tell me what is the difference between XF86Config and XF86Config-4 ? |
| 20:51.51 | chealer | jim: and that would depend what you mean by breakage |
| 20:51.53 | yahalom | green_earz, 4 cds? |
| 20:51.58 | foofighter | since I just want icewm... xchat, and stuff.. what cds should I get? |
| 20:52.01 | jim | no it wouldn't |
| 20:52.06 | dvs | XF86Config is old, for 3.x and older |
| 20:52.17 | jim | sarge can change. woody cannot. period. |
| 20:52.19 | yahalom | green_earz, ur link doesnt exist |
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| 20:52.27 | foofighter | woody can only allow security updates |
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| 20:52.30 | dvs | !d-i |
| 20:52.31 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 20:53.05 | green_earz | yahalom: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/rc3/ |
| 20:53.09 | Mike77_linux | dvs, any idea why dpkg-reconfigure writes to XF86Config and not XF86Config-4? |
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| 20:53.17 | DoppleGanger | oh just a side note: you can run xorg firefox opera xchat even OO with a 58 mb ram computer granted OO takes 4 mins to load but once loaded your good, running flux wm |
| 20:53.17 | jim | to say sarge will never break for any definition of break is just stupid |
| 20:53.18 | mwilson | It doesn't. |
| 20:53.26 | yahalom | green_earz, The requested URL /pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/rc3/ was not found on this server. |
| 20:53.37 | ribnitz | suppose you had to set up a server, what fses would you chose for what reason (debian woody, soon sarge) |
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| 20:53.50 | green_earz | yahalom: same here hmmmm |
| 20:53.59 | dvs | mike77_: No idea. what did you do: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 20:54.04 | jim | ribnitz: the oldest one probably... ext2 |
| 20:54.10 | xelam | ribnitz: ext3 or xfs |
| 20:54.10 | yahalom | green_earz, is sarge 3.0 ? |
| 20:54.12 | xelam | depends |
| 20:54.22 | xelam | sarge is 3.1? |
| 20:54.27 | ribnitz | jim: works best? |
| 20:54.36 | Gloo | should be 9.0. :o) |
| 20:54.38 | jim | well, most stable |
| 20:54.40 | markybob | ribnitz, for what purpose? it's all relative. we have no idea what your uses will be |
| 20:54.49 | green_earz | yahalom: sarge is 3.1 |
| 20:55.05 | foofighter | ok, since my friend is downloading the install cds for me, and I want xchat, icewm, gaim and xmms and such |
| 20:55.08 | foofighter | which cd sets should I get |
| 20:55.10 | jim | or maybe ext3 is more stable... only time will tell |
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| 20:55.16 | jim | nonw |
| 20:55.18 | xelam | foofighter: do a netinst if you can. |
| 20:55.21 | Mike77_linux | dvs, exactly. I used /dev/hands to corrupt my XF86Config-4. So I renamed to .old and tried to reconfigure with dpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:55.21 | green_earz | yahalom: the link must be down. i find you another one |
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| 20:55.22 | foofighter | can't |
| 20:55.22 | ribnitz | markybob: at the moment, its the internet server of a lug, and mail (Maildir) is terribly slow. |
| 20:55.24 | foofighter | dial up |
| 20:55.30 | Delph | is it jigdio that lets you make up a set of packages? |
| 20:55.32 | jim | dialup? |
| 20:55.36 | foofighter | yes |
| 20:55.37 | Delph | jigido? something liek that? |
| 20:55.39 | foofighter | I cannot get broadband |
| 20:55.39 | yahalom | green_earz, is sarge considered stable or testing? |
| 20:55.41 | xelam | what's dialup? ;) |
| 20:55.47 | xelam | yahalom: testing. |
| 20:55.50 | markybob | ribnitz, you're running the server of a lug and dont know how to pick a fs? |
| 20:55.53 | xelam | woody is stable |
| 20:55.54 | foofighter | will CDS 1-3 be fine for me? |
| 20:55.59 | chealer | !tell yahalom about releases |
| 20:56.00 | yahalom | xelam, thanx |
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| 20:56.11 | markybob | foofighter, you're not listening... |
| 20:56.11 | ribnitz | markybob: we picked fses, atm its ext3. |
| 20:56.25 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.27 | markybob | foofighter, people have already told you to use debian installer.... /msg dpkg d-i |
| 20:56.28 | dvs | Mike77_linux: Did you erase the XF86Config-4.mdsum file too? |
| 20:56.30 | foofighter | I cannot do a netinstall over my dial up.. its too slow |
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| 20:56.39 | ribnitz | markybob: but I wonder whether using XFS or JFs would be a considerable performance boost. |
| 20:56.43 | Mike77_linux | dvs, let me check... |
| 20:56.46 | Delph | markybob: not possible if you only have dialup and want someone else to download the packages for you |
| 20:56.49 | foofighter | actually, I'll just do the netinstall |
| 20:56.54 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.59 | yahalom | wow! how many feaking cds? |
| 20:57.03 | ribnitz | markybob: we are also considering going from raid1 to raid5 |
| 20:57.06 | mwilson | foobared: But it's better to download many megabytes of stuff you have no use for? |
| 20:57.13 | jim | yahalom: there exist lots and lots |
| 20:57.22 | foofighter | will I be able to decently do a netinstall... on dial up... and install IceWM, X, Xchat, and such? |
| 20:57.29 | Mike77_linux | dvs, didn't find that file in /etc/X11 |
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| 20:57.39 | jim | the download will take a LONG time |
| 20:57.41 | ribnitz | foofighter: yes. |
| 20:57.49 | foofighter | how long is long? |
| 20:57.49 | markybob | ribnitz, xfs is for large files...if you're storing huge media/database files, it's a good option. |
| 20:57.54 | green_earz | yahalom: one cd at 110 meg > netinst CD image, with Debian base > 386 |
| 20:57.56 | jim | overnight or so |
| 20:58.04 | yahalom | what i'm meant to download 14 cds? |
| 20:58.08 | dvs | Mike77_linux: That's strange. It should create/change your XF86Config-4 file. |
| 20:58.11 | ribnitz | markybob: Reiser? |
| 20:58.16 | markybob | ribnitz, i'm not gonna say anything about reiserfs in here. dont go from ext3 to ext2, though. |
| 20:58.24 | jim | yahalom: you don't need any cd images |
| 20:58.24 | chealer | yahalom: no, just 1 usually |
| 20:58.30 | ribnitz | markybob: I know. |
| 20:58.31 | dvs | Mike77_linux: What does "dpkg -l xserver-xfree86" say? |
| 20:58.33 | markybob | ribnitz, reiserfs is faster, yes... |
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| 20:58.45 | ribnitz | markybob: the ones in discussion are XFS, JFS and Reiser. |
| 20:58.57 | green_earz | yahalom: the net installer is one cd of 110 meg the rest of the install is over the net |
| 20:58.58 | jim | reiser has had reports of total data loss |
| 20:58.58 | markybob | ribnitz, if you're not messing with large files, scratch XFS |
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| 20:59.06 | yahalom | i can just download sarge-i386-1.iso and i have debian? |
| 20:59.13 | dvs | yahalom: yes |
| 20:59.14 | markybob | ribnitz, you should just stick with ext3 |
| 20:59.16 | ribnitz | jim: I value my data, hence no reiser. |
| 20:59.18 | Delph | ribnitz: XFS fairly well known JFS not that well known, reiser: dangerous. |
| 20:59.21 | mwilson | yahalom: You can even read the installation guide! |
| 20:59.25 | Delph | We've had XFS die on us. |
| 20:59.27 | Mike77_linux | dvs, it says 'ii' on version 4.3 |
| 20:59.37 | uruboro | hi, i cannot put a symbolic link in /etc/init.d and then use update-rc.d ... is it normal (like, a security feature)? |
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| 20:59.52 | jim | yahalom: you could download 2-4 floppy images and install from there |
| 20:59.52 | ribnitz | Delph: and how did it go? - XFS is dangerous without ups. |
| 20:59.56 | yahalom | mwilson, u have a point. i just got freaked out by 14 cds. its cool, but to download all that at one time. |
| 20:59.58 | dvs | Mike77_linux: Hmmmm. Then I'm not sure why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 wouldn't work. |
| 21:00.17 | Mike77_linux | dvs, what is the proper method to config X11? xf86config or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 21:00.27 | jim | yahalom: one more time... YOU DON'T NEED ANY CD IMAGES |
| 21:00.29 | dvs | Mike77_linux: The second one. |
| 21:00.58 | ribnitz | yahalom: you need one cd to boot from, get your network connection up and install a base system. |
| 21:00.59 | yahalom | jim, ok man. i dont get u ;) So how do i do it? what is this online installer |
| 21:01.11 | dvs | yahalom: The net installer |
| 21:01.12 | jim | it's called debian-installer |
| 21:01.13 | ribnitz | yahalom: you can also do that with floppies. |
| 21:01.17 | bas | Rocha, dunno. try to google |
| 21:01.17 | jim | and you should just read up |
| 21:01.19 | dvs | !tell yahalom about d-i |
| 21:01.40 | Mike77_linux | dvs, actually dpkg-reconfigure worked fine. It restored my X11 settings back to normal, but did not write XF86Config-4. |
| 21:01.50 | ribnitz | Delph: so you wount recommend XFS? |
| 21:01.56 | dvs | !xmd5 |
| 21:01.56 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 21:02.24 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 21:02.26 | yahalom | dvs, appreciate it |
| 21:02.32 | dvs | yahalom: np |
| 21:02.37 | Kamel | is bit torrent 7 cd's or something? |
| 21:02.44 | Kamel | lmao sry |
| 21:02.52 | markybob | learn to type first |
| 21:02.53 | Kamel | ^^ insert bit torrent distribution |
| 21:02.58 | ribnitz | Kamel: dont use bittorrent.. |
| 21:03.08 | Servo888 | Hey where the hell is startx? I installed xfree, but /usr/X11R6/bin/ doesn't containt startx |
| 21:03.11 | Mike77_linux | dvs: thanks! that should work. Trying right now. :) |
| 21:03.13 | Kamel | well that's what they reccomend on debian.org :o |
| 21:03.15 | directhex | Kamel, debian woody is 7 cds for the full thing, regardless of how you get it |
| 21:03.19 | dvs | Mike77_linux: OK |
| 21:03.20 | yahalom | i need to burn netinst on a cd, and then install the rest through apt-get? |
| 21:03.21 | directhex | Kamel, is this a desktop pc? |
| 21:03.23 | RoundQube | Servo888: did you install xbase-clients? |
| 21:03.24 | Kamel | ok |
| 21:03.29 | directhex | yahalom, yes |
| 21:03.35 | Kamel | directhex: it's going to be going on a server |
| 21:03.42 | Servo888 | RoundQube, nope, installing now. |
| 21:03.42 | jim | yahalom: that's one way, yes. and that's assuming you can boot a cd |
| 21:03.42 | directhex | Servo888, x-window-system-core. |
| 21:03.43 | Kamel | i haven't used debian yet |
| 21:03.53 | ribnitz | directhex: no, it stands on the floor, not the desktop. |
| 21:03.56 | yahalom | thats cool. |
| 21:04.02 | Kamel | only slackware, gentoo, redhat, and mandrake |
| 21:04.06 | jim | yahalom: you also have the choice to use 2-4 floppies |
| 21:04.12 | markybob | Kamel, neato. no one cares. |
| 21:04.18 | RoundQube | Kamel: wise decision to go with debian |
| 21:04.29 | Kamel | markybob: indeed :o |
| 21:04.30 | jim | Kamel: which -features- of those did you like and why? |
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| 21:04.41 | markybob | jim gimme a break... |
| 21:04.43 | yahalom | jim, last time i used a floppy was in 1999 |
| 21:04.45 | RoundQube | gentoo takes a million years to get up and running |
| 21:04.48 | markybob | jim :) |
| 21:04.52 | green_earz | yahalom: burn the iso boot it and the installer will look after you |
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| 21:05.11 | Kamel | jim: well, i really liked the instability of them lol. i haven't actually found a good distro i like yet, but so far slackware is my favorite |
| 21:05.18 | yahalom | green_earz, what is the default DE for debian, gnome? |
| 21:05.27 | directhex | yahalom, twm |
| 21:05.30 | jim | Kamel: why? |
| 21:05.34 | directhex | yahalom, unless you install something else |
| 21:05.37 | yahalom | directhex, twm? |
| 21:05.39 | drp | anyone know if there is a debian package for netbeans |
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| 21:05.53 | drp | I searched my cache and did some googling but to no avail |
| 21:05.54 | jim | yeah, I'll jump onto that q too |
| 21:06.06 | yahalom | directhex, i'm very new to the debian world |
| 21:06.08 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- does anyone know of a good network monitoring app? Doesn't need to be open source. But needs to run on linux |
| 21:06.09 | RoundQube | drp: use eclipse ;) |
| 21:06.27 | Kamel | jim: mainly because it is bare and install went very well, with the slackware boot disks i resolved a lot of problems |
| 21:06.31 | ribnitz | SexyKen: what do you mean by monitoring? |
| 21:06.46 | green_earz | yahalom: you can pick which one you want as default twm or gnome or kde for the login |
| 21:06.56 | SexyKen | Need to monitor Servers and Services on the servers. |
| 21:07.00 | ribnitz | SexyKen: there are various snmp things. |
| 21:07.08 | drp | RoundQube: it's been awhile since I've used eclipse but is gui creation in Eclipse fairly easy |
| 21:07.10 | directhex | yahalom, xfree86 isn't installed at all pon debian by default. the x-window-system package brings in twm, as well as xfree86. beyond thatm, you can install gnome, kde, xfce4, windowmaker, whatever |
| 21:07.14 | xelam | SexyKen: nagios? |
| 21:07.14 | green_earz | yahalom: from the the login app > gdm |
| 21:07.21 | SexyKen | I dont like Nagios. |
| 21:07.30 | RoundQube | drp: there are tons of nice plugins for eclipse now for java development |
| 21:07.32 | jim | Kamel: ok... reason I ask, is to see if you'd like debian... and maybe no becasue you might find that the packaging would cramp your style |
| 21:07.39 | ribnitz | SexyKen: munin? |
| 21:07.45 | yahalom | directhex, debian uses xorg? |
| 21:07.50 | drp | RoundQube: |
| 21:07.51 | C17H21NO4 | Can I make a boot floopy that will "redirect" to the cdrom, if the bios doesn't support booting to cdrom? |
| 21:07.54 | drp | RoundQube: k thanks |
| 21:07.54 | SexyKen | munin? |
| 21:07.59 | markybob | yahalom, no |
| 21:08.02 | directhex | yahalom, no, debain uses xfree86 4.3 with backported drivers from xorg |
| 21:08.02 | jim | but maybe yes if you're looking for a complete change in how you maintain your installation |
| 21:08.04 | RoundQube | drp: worth a try *shrug* |
| 21:08.20 | RoundQube | drp: i hardly do any java development, but im starting to get into it |
| 21:08.24 | yahalom | directhex, u guys can still use cedega with no probs? |
| 21:08.36 | Kamel | jim: thanks, i do want to use debian though, because like i said i really haven't found what i'm looking for yet, heh |
| 21:08.40 | ribnitz | SexyKen: apt-cache show munin? |
| 21:08.45 | drp | RoundQube: which packages would you suggest I get |
| 21:08.47 | RoundQube | su - |
| 21:08.52 | RoundQube | err heh |
| 21:08.52 | directhex | yahalom, erm... why would cedega give problems? transgaming have said on record debian is best for cedega |
| 21:08.55 | Mike77_linux | dvs: it worked. Thanks. How do you access the wisdom database of dpkg? |
| 21:09.06 | ribnitz | SexyKen: http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/ |
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| 21:09.43 | RoundQube | drp: my friends all use eclipse, i myself am not familiar with the ide....but they design gui's using eclipse |
| 21:09.50 | yahalom | directhex, thats cool. now i've heard only good about debian, just overwhelmed. getting used to linux was one thing, now debian. |
| 21:09.56 | RoundQube | drp: check the website and look at some of the avail plugins |
| 21:10.03 | yahalom | unless its not as diff as i think |
| 21:10.15 | SexyKen | I want something like http://www.hybodus.com/ |
| 21:10.26 | RoundQube | SexyKen: then write it |
| 21:10.31 | directhex | yahalom, get the sarge net-install cd, and install. |
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| 21:10.57 | paulswm | Kamel: and you, do what directhex just said above re. sarge :P |
| 21:10.58 | yahalom | directhex, 80% done |
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| 21:11.20 | markybob | SexyKen, it runs on linux. so why not just use that? |
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| 21:16.00 | yahalom | ok going to install debian now, i wont regret it right? |
| 21:16.16 | jim | yahalom: I don't konw |
| 21:16.21 | uruboro | yahalom i didn't :) |
| 21:16.46 | jim | yahalom: back up your hd BEFORE you do anything else. |
| 21:17.03 | yahalom | well its one place above ubuntu at distrowatch.com |
| 21:17.07 | jim | or you might regret some data loss :) |
| 21:17.19 | uruboro | ubuntu is debian based |
| 21:17.23 | yahalom | jim, yeah for sure, wouldnt want to upset my wife ;) |
| 21:17.25 | chealer | yahalom: really? I thought ubuntu was dominating distrowatch |
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| 21:17.36 | tix64 | yahalom: if you think you might regret it, you *will* regret it. |
| 21:17.43 | directhex | yahalom, you ever installed ubuntu? |
| 21:17.55 | yahalom | i hope this is ok: |
| 21:17.58 | yahalom | 1. Mandrakelinux |
| 21:17.58 | yahalom | 2. Fedora Core |
| 21:17.58 | yahalom | 3. SUSE LINUX |
| 21:17.58 | yahalom | 4. Debian GNU/Linux |
| 21:17.58 | yahalom | 5. Ubuntu Linux |
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| 21:18.21 | jim | evidently not :) |
| 21:18.21 | yahalom | sorry |
| 21:18.25 | uruboro | we'll never know number 6. ;) |
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| 21:18.39 | Shadax | bbs |
| 21:18.51 | yahalom | directhex, i run ubuntu now, and its been my favorite, havent tried debian, y? |
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| 21:19.14 | Servo888 | What the hell... Is there some reason why playing dvd's would cause xine to segfault?... |
| 21:19.16 | directhex | yahalom, nothing, just you may recognise one or two aspects |
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| 21:19.59 | yahalom | directhex, what are the repostiroes like in debian, cos that is one thing that bugs me in ubuntu, not enough |
| 21:20.27 | green_earz | yahalom: there too much |
| 21:20.44 | uruboro | yahalom had you added "universe" sources to the ubuntu apt sources? |
| 21:20.44 | directhex | yahalom, 20,000 packages, give or take, in sid main contrib non-free |
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| 21:21.04 | yahalom | uruboro, yes |
| 21:21.15 | lamp | In some programs like xcdroast is the font verry smal how can i get it bigger |
| 21:21.24 | yahalom | directhex, i thought debian was 100% free? |
| 21:21.43 | directhex | yahalom, debian main is (read the dfsg) |
| 21:22.01 | directhex | non-free contains beer-free apps. contrib is Free apps which depends on non-free to work |
| 21:22.02 | yahalom | directhex, yeah ist about time i do that, thanx guys |
| 21:22.03 | uruboro | yahalom, so you have most of ubuntu stuff. They are new to the scene so it's reasonable they haven't ported everything from debian |
| 21:22.52 | streuner | lamp: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:23.13 | lamp | thx i will have a look |
| 21:23.16 | yahalom | uruboro, yeah. i still havent met some who left ubuntu for debian or any debian user ripping apart ubuntu |
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| 21:23.24 | mwilson | uruboro: Ubuntu doesn't have any intentions of porting "everything" from Debian. |
| 21:23.24 | OleMoudi | lamp, try apt-get install xfonts-100dpi-transcoded |
| 21:23.29 | green_earz | yahalom: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
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| 21:23.45 | yahalom | green_earz, thanx man |
| 21:23.49 | green_earz | np |
| 21:24.00 | streuner | lamp: put 100dpi on the first place in XF86Config-4 |
| 21:24.44 | lamp | thx i'm downloading |
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| 21:25.51 | fabietto | Anyone experienced some problems after the last update of the x engine? |
| 21:26.32 | mwilson | Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 21:26.36 | gaasfet | streuner: no |
| 21:26.49 | mwilson | X in unstable hasn't been updated in weeks. |
| 21:26.56 | fabietto | i uptaded my laptop (through synaptic) this afternoon... i saw many packets related to x... now, after the update, my scrren in kde isn't readable |
| 21:26.58 | madmax | my .xsession file contains the following: enlightenment gkrellm & | Now x wont start.. whats wrong? i want enlightenment and gkrellm to be started |
| 21:26.58 | gaasfet | lamp: gtk-theme-switch |
| 21:27.05 | gaasfet | lamp: gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 21:27.07 | fabietto | mwilson: you're right, i'm speaking about sarge |
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| 21:27.36 | mwilson | fabietto: Neither has Sarge. |
| 21:27.41 | directhex | mwilson, new x in sarge since thursday |
| 21:27.49 | mwilson | madmax: Why are they on the same line? |
| 21:27.49 | directhex | 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1 |
| 21:27.52 | Zap-W | anyone know of a free or popular virus scanner that works as a samba module? |
| 21:28.06 | madmax | mwilson, i wrote it like that |
| 21:28.08 | mwilson | directhex: Oh, that finally made it to Sarge? My bad. |
| 21:28.21 | madmax | mwilson, how should it look like? |
| 21:28.23 | mwilson | madmax: So you didn't actually want it to work, then? |
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| 21:28.37 | madmax | mwilson, thats what you call lack of knowledge :D |
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| 21:28.46 | clojster | Anyone using Xgame? |
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| 21:29.06 | Adil1 | my bios cannot boot udb keys and i want to install debian on my usb key, is there anything i can do? |
| 21:29.09 | Adil1 | usb* |
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| 21:29.25 | abrotman | Zap-W: that doesn't even make sense |
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| 21:29.34 | madmax | mwilson, so how should it look like? |
| 21:30.02 | fabietto | ehm, anyway, someone can help me to restablish the correct setting for my monitor working on x? |
| 21:30.21 | Pupeno | Where's the configuration of ViewCVS ? |
| 21:30.34 | mwilson | Probably wherever the documentation says it is. |
| 21:31.12 | green_earz | fabietto: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for xserver setup |
| 21:31.14 | lamp__ | thx all its a perfect font size |
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| 21:31.38 | Adil1 | my bios cannot boot usb keys and i want to install debian on my usb key, is there anything i can do? |
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| 21:32.47 | fabietto | grenn_earz: thanks, i'm trying! :-) |
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| 21:32.48 | resiak | Adil1: You mean, there's no "USB Keyboard" option in your bios? |
| 21:32.56 | green_earz | np |
| 21:33.09 | LunarCrisis | I think he's talking of the USB drives |
| 21:33.12 | Adil1 | no, like in boot option i have USB-FDD and USB-Zip |
| 21:33.17 | resiak | Adil1: Oh, I see. |
| 21:33.20 | Adil1 | nothing fro my usb thumbdrive |
| 21:33.24 | resiak | Adil1: Not a clue, sorry. |
| 21:33.38 | oKtosiTe | I'm looking for a backup solution that is fairly easy to use from the console (posix syntax) and usable with crontab, suggestions? |
| 21:33.52 | mwilson | oKtosiTe: tar |
| 21:33.57 | directhex | dump! |
| 21:34.16 | directhex | Adil1, pick usb zip. |
| 21:34.24 | Adil1 | i trited, it doesnt work |
| 21:34.32 | Adil1 | still boots windows |
| 21:34.32 | oKtosiTe | mwilson, I want it to put datestamps in the file/folder names of backup, is that easy to do? |
| 21:34.49 | Zap-W | i will rephrase, anyone know of a free or popular virus scanner for samba? |
| 21:35.08 | mwilson | oKtosiTe: Rather than someone having to beat details out of you one by one, why don't you actually describe the COMPLETE set of requirements? |
| 21:35.21 | fabietto | i'm using an usb mouse, which is the port i'm using? /dev/psaux? |
| 21:35.57 | xelam | ooh stick you! |
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| 21:36.11 | Adil1 | is there any other way i can boot the usb thumbdrive? |
| 21:36.17 | Adil1 | its formatted fat32 |
| 21:36.33 | Adil1 | xelam> bios update didnt help |
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| 21:36.48 | markybob | anyone know of a "final cut pro" type of application for linux? i have a new digital camcorder (firewire) that i wanna play with |
| 21:37.19 | Nicon | How can I disable the strict checking of file system integrity which debian seem to have? I have a box which must always get up if the fs isn't literally trashed to pieces. Though after power failures it usally locks at "enter root password for maintainence", which isn't quite acceptable for the box usage :/ |
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| 21:37.40 | Nicon | (ext3 fs) |
| 21:37.55 | mrhemlock | markybob, try freshmeat |
| 21:38.17 | mwilson | Nicon: The *correct* answer being to repair whatever causes the power to fail. |
| 21:38.26 | Nicon | mwilson: the power company ;) |
| 21:38.46 | mwilson | Nicon: If this box is so critical, whyinhell isn't it on a UPS? |
| 21:39.06 | Nicon | mwilson: not in that way. it just needs to be up. |
| 21:39.14 | Nicon | mwilson: no money for an UPS etc. they cost quite a lot. |
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| 21:39.42 | Adil1 | is there any other way i can boot the usb thumbdrive? |
| 21:39.51 | LoonaTick | Nicon: It's more assumable it panics and reboots on hardware failure |
| 21:40.00 | LoonaTick | Nicon: (if its in a dc..) |
| 21:40.00 | mwilson | Uh, no, they don't cost "quite a lot"... decent protection can be had very reasonably, with monitoring going back to the machine so that it can cleanly shut itself down when power goes away. |
| 21:40.15 | LoonaTick | if it's not, i'd suggest to buy either ups or kvm over ip |
| 21:40.20 | valdyn_ | Nicon: power outages _will_ randomly break your filesystems on custom pc hardware, nothing you can do about that |
| 21:40.22 | Nicon | LoonaTick: nope. it's the classic "Enter root password for maintanence or press CTRL + D for normal bootup" |
| 21:40.22 | LoonaTick | kvm over ip isnt too expensive.. |
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| 21:40.52 | Nicon | valdyn_: the fs is though in 95% mountable if though it may contain errors which debian want me to fix. I am aware of that, but I want it to mount it nomatter,. |
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| 21:41.21 | Nicon | valdyn_: I am fully aware of the fact. I just want it to boot. |
| 21:41.34 | mwilson | Nicon: Most people here will help you do the right thing... few will help you do such an obviously wrong thing. |
| 21:41.59 | Nicon | mwilson: depends on what the machine is used for. |
| 21:42.05 | valdyn_ | Nicon: you want fsck to be run with options that will "fix" things w/o user intervention |
| 21:42.15 | mwilson | Nicon: Actually, no, it in no way depends on what the machine is used for. |
| 21:42.24 | Nicon | valdyn_: no. I want it to continue booting even if it fails to fix everything. |
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| 21:42.30 | Nicon | mwilson: yes it does. |
| 21:42.37 | valdyn_ | Nicon: right, thats what i said |
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| 21:43.01 | Nicon | valdyn_: well. sometimes it can't. :) then I want to ignore that. |
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| 21:43.08 | fabietto | green_earz: i reconfigured the x server, but i still have problems with my kde... everything works correctly, but the fonts are very dirty and pratically unreadable... :( |
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| 21:43.23 | omnistegan | how do i remove a debian package i got with apt-get? |
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| 21:43.31 | mwilson | man apt-get |
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| 21:43.59 | valdyn_ | Nicon: you could replace fsck with a script calling fsck with just those options, i dont know which those are, there might be a cleaner way but uh, doing this is so fucked that you might aswell do that |
| 21:44.03 | redduck666 | omnistegan, apt-get remove *package name* |
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| 21:44.24 | phealy | So, since I'm not sure exactly where to ask, where would be a good place to ask for cups help? (I do know this isn't the place, but I figured someon could redirect me easily :) |
| 21:44.27 | mrhemlock | omnistegan, the wiki in topic has slot of useful information !! |
| 21:44.27 | Nicon | valdyn_: well. that's the problem. sure. I can fix the boot scripts. but they will be replaced on next apt-get update/upgrade. |
| 21:44.42 | Nicon | valdyn_: they are not considered configuration files, so they are overwritten as they were binaries |
| 21:44.44 | valdyn_ | Nicon: not if you divert them |
| 21:44.51 | Nicon | valdyn_: divert? |
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| 21:44.58 | green_earz | fabietto: have look in kde control center see if you can sort it out from there |
| 21:45.13 | valdyn_ | Nicon: man dpkg-divert |
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| 21:45.20 | mwilson | You know... it's so amusing. People whine about the unreliability of Windows, then they take deliberate steps to make Linux unreliable. |
| 21:46.01 | fabietto | green_earz: should i try to change the fonts from the kde control center? |
| 21:46.16 | Nicon | mwilson: it's the right thing to do if I don't care about the data on the box. just the box *being* up. If it goes down it takes 2-4 weeks getting it up again. that is the problem. If I have to do a clean install due to that the fs eventually broke down there's no critical data on that partiton anyhow. understanding what I mean? |
| 21:46.19 | mwilson | And next month, when his box has eaten his filesystem, he'll be back here whining about how horrible it was that it happened. |
| 21:46.22 | green_earz | fabietto: yes |
| 21:46.39 | valdyn_ | Nicon: better to clone your root fs and fsck one when the other is broken, and vice versa |
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| 21:47.01 | Nicon | valdyn_: don't have any spare hw to clone it to. |
| 21:47.10 | Nicon | valdyn_: will check the dpkg-divert. |
| 21:47.23 | abrotman | !MOO |
| 21:47.23 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 21:47.25 | green_earz | fabietto: is the problem the same for all users ? |
| 21:47.29 | Nicon | valdyn_: just a question, can I with dpkg-divert make apt-get automaticly every time not replace a single file? |
| 21:47.37 | mwilson | Nicon: You're solving the wrong problem... if this is so bloody important, whyinhell is the root fs even mounted writeable? |
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| 21:47.57 | Nicon | mwilson: because files, logs, everything is written to it. |
| 21:48.14 | Nicon | mwilson: I just don't want debian to care if it considers the fs broken.. that's all. |
| 21:48.24 | mwilson | Nicon: Oh. You mean you couldn't be bothered to structure things properly. |
| 21:48.32 | cartel_ | you deluded fool |
| 21:48.49 | valdyn_ | Nicon: yes |
| 21:48.54 | Nicon | mwilson: ehrm. first off; what makes you even think that I installed the box? |
| 21:49.04 | Nicon | mwilson: don't make accusations like that. |
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| 21:49.12 | Nicon | valdyn_: thanks. |
| 21:49.12 | mwilson | Nicon: Does it matter whether you installed it or not? You're responsible for it. |
| 21:49.13 | valdyn_ | Nicon: divert somefile and somefile will never be touched by the debian package system |
| 21:49.24 | mwilson | cartel_: *I'm* deluded? |
| 21:49.24 | cartel_ | heh |
| 21:49.30 | Nicon | valdyn_: cewl. :) |
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| 21:49.35 | cartel_ | mwilson: stop being so ag. i was talking to nicon |
| 21:49.48 | fabietto | green_earz: i've got only the root and a current user, but i can't log on into kde with the root so i only tried the current user... i also tried to change fonts from the kde control center, but nothing has changed. I see that anti-aliasing is enabled, could it be envolved in this bad situation? |
| 21:49.56 | abrotman | ag. ? |
| 21:50.01 | cartel_ | agressive |
| 21:50.03 | Nicon | cartel_: constructive comment. |
| 21:50.11 | abrotman | cartel_: aggressive ? |
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| 21:50.26 | green_earz | fabietto: use it |
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| 21:50.44 | Nicon | cartel_: the problem is when you ask something and people think it is the wrong thing for them you are an idiot for thinking or valuing another thing. don't get that. |
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| 21:51.00 | resiak | mwilson: What this guy is trying to do may be unwise, but you've made your point. Now's the time to stop going on about it and let him try to figure out how to achieve what he wants. |
| 21:51.07 | fabietto | green_earz: ok, it's already enabled |
| 21:51.26 | Nicon | mwilson: no actually not either. |
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| 21:51.48 | Nicon | mwilson: I am just asking if debian has some configuration to make it work like that. a simple "no" if that was the correct answer would be acceptable |
| 21:51.54 | fabietto | green_earz: i can't understand where is the problem... everything worked perfectly, before the last update :( |
| 21:52.13 | Nicon | mwilson: don't see why you make it such a big think trying to teach me about UPSes and stuff because of it. |
| 21:52.14 | resiak | Nicon: There's probably no standard way. You might be able to set options in /etc/fstab to tell it not to fdisk the drive... |
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| 21:52.30 | Nicon | resiak: thanks. I will look into that suggestion. |
| 21:52.33 | valdyn_ | Nicon: your whole system will break once data relevant to running is fucked, which wont take to many power outages probably |
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| 21:52.47 | valdyn_ | Nicon: i cant tell, i dont have them ) |
| 21:52.51 | Nicon | valdyn_: well. that's a risk I am willing to take in this sitaution. :) |
| 21:52.55 | mrhemlock | Nicon, he is offering advice, thank him for it, and ignore it, your choice, (probably good advice) |
| 21:53.21 | abrotman | which FS is this .. obviously not reiser |
| 21:53.28 | Nicon | mrhemlock: well. he is questioning WHY I want to do it and look down on me because I don't share his view. that's the annoying thing. |
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| 21:53.33 | green_earz | fabietto: some how you kde settup as change, it may a problem just for that user. just a idear add new users and see if any different in kde |
| 21:53.42 | resiak | Nicon: I would suggest that a UPS might be wiser, as the others have said with various degrees of politeness, but... man mount might help, as might man fstab |
| 21:53.51 | cartel_ | Nicon: do you have the file /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh ? |
| 21:54.15 | Nicon | resiak: I know. I would if we had money to put on an UPS aswell. not an option though. |
| 21:54.29 | fabietto | green_earz: ok, i will try immediatly... |
| 21:54.34 | green_earz | ok |
| 21:54.44 | abrotman | why would you not have an ups .. and not want to fsck? |
| 21:54.52 | Nicon | cartel_: yepp. considered modifying the init scripts. though, my original question was if there was a standard way of doing it withouth making custom bootup scripts. |
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| 21:55.16 | cartel_ | Nicon: touch /forcefsck |
| 21:55.17 | valdyn_ | abrotman: he doesnt mind fsck really, but he does not want fsck to ask for confirmation before doing "risky" things |
| 21:55.25 | resiak | Nicon: You might want to have an init script to email you if you need to fsck rather than force you into single user mode. |
| 21:55.36 | Nicon | resiak: would be very convinient yes |
| 21:55.38 | abrotman | valdyn_: no like ../etc/defaults/fsck.opts ? |
| 21:55.46 | Mike77_linux | I'm trying to run 'make' to compile a package but get 'command not found'. Do I need to apt-get somthing to be able to compile? |
| 21:55.50 | valdyn_ | abrotman: ah, thats a good one |
| 21:55.59 | Nicon | cartel_: that force checks the fs next reboot, right? |
| 21:56.00 | resiak | !b-e Mike77_linux |
| 21:56.00 | dpkg | Mike77_linux: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 21:56.05 | valdyn_ | Nicon: see what abrotman said |
| 21:56.05 | cartel_ | Nicon: edit /etc/default/rcS, add the following line |
| 21:56.11 | abrotman | valdyn_: does it exist? |
| 21:56.21 | cartel_ | Nicon wait, do you want to fix the fs, or just mount it? |
| 21:56.25 | abrotman | valdyn_: it was just a guess |
| 21:56.30 | Mike77_linux | resiak: Thanx |
| 21:56.31 | valdyn_ | abrotman: oh, no idea |
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| 21:56.57 | Nicon | cartel_: try to fix, if it can't, just try to mount and continue boot. the priority thing is that the box comes up if possible |
| 21:57.16 | abrotman | you could try to symlink fsck to fsck -a |
| 21:57.22 | fabietto | green_earz: i see the dirty character also before the login, when x starts and ask me for user and password... |
| 21:57.37 | abrotman | Nicon: but you really are asking for trouble |
| 21:57.47 | valdyn_ | so divert fsck, and replace it with a symlink to like fsck.bin |
| 21:57.49 | cartel_ | Nicon: change it to boot as read only |
| 21:58.06 | cartel_ | no need to divert fsck |
| 21:58.06 | valdyn_ | so divert fsck, and replace it with a script calling like fsck.bin |
| 21:58.32 | Nicon | abrotman: maybe. though I got some very good answers. so I am happy. :) |
| 21:58.33 | valdyn_ | cartel_: maybe, abrotmans idea sound simple howver |
| 21:58.35 | Nicon | cartel_: yes. |
| 21:58.36 | cartel_ | Nicon: unless your system will die if it tries to boot read only |
| 21:58.37 | mwilson | cartel_: He couldn't be bothered to partition things properly, so the box has to be able to write to the root fs. |
| 21:58.44 | Nicon | cartel_: yea. |
| 21:58.50 | cartel_ | hmm |
| 21:58.52 | Nicon | cartel_: problem w ro root is that it cannot write logfiles etc. |
| 21:58.59 | cartel_ | Nicon: i suggest to patch checkroot.sh |
| 21:59.03 | green_earz | fabietto: so the problem starts from the login hmmmm |
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| 21:59.18 | Nicon | cartel_: yea. that was my initial thought. seems like the easiest way too |
| 21:59.20 | mwilson | Nicon: So put /var on its own bloody partition. |
| 21:59.23 | Nicon | cartel_: thanks. :) |
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| 21:59.51 | cartel_ | Nicon: and tell your engineers, always put var on its own partition. |
| 22:00.14 | Nicon | mwilson: I am not installing it. I just look for a solution as-is atm. if the easiest way is to modify the initscripts I'll do that. |
| 22:00.17 | fabietto | green_earz: yes, instead, during the boot phase (and also when i open a consolle with ctrl+alt+f1) i see everything perfectly, so i think is an x related problem |
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| 22:01.09 | Nicon | cartel_: yea. |
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| 22:01.17 | Nicon | cartel_: I always do on the servers I put up.. :) |
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| 22:01.41 | EvilSporkMan | is it ok to write to NTFS yet? |
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| 22:01.46 | green_earz | fabietto: sorry i can move the problem , are you on the mailing list, could be of help |
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| 22:01.54 | cartel_ | Nicon: if a critical service or lib is damaged, it wont come up. |
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| 22:02.01 | cartel_ | eg, libc6 ;) |
| 22:02.04 | Nicon | cartel_: I know. |
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| 22:02.08 | green_earz | fabietto: problem on |
| 22:02.17 | cartel_ | Nicon: so dont blame us if it doesnt come back ;) |
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| 22:02.33 | mwilson | He will. |
| 22:02.35 | Nicon | cartel_: hehe. won't do that. I am aware of the risk I am taking by doing the modification. |
| 22:02.38 | Nicon | mwilson: I won't. |
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| 22:02.46 | Nicon | mwilson: you underestimate my awareness of what I am asking. |
| 22:02.53 | cartel_ | Nicon: if you patch chkroot.sh at this point : if [ $FSCKCODE -gt 3 ] |
| 22:02.56 | mwilson | Oh, no, I estimate it perfectly. |
| 22:03.15 | fabietto | green_earz: no, i'm not on the mailing list... i'm googling now and i find a problem who sounds like the mine one... http://makeashorterlink.com/?F27111FCA |
| 22:03.22 | cartel_ | you will bypass the fsck drop to init 1 behavior |
| 22:03.24 | Nicon | mwilson: no. please don't make any more comments. you are not helping me. |
| 22:03.29 | cartel_ | beyond that you are on your own |
| 22:03.29 | Nicon | cartel_: yepp. thanks. |
| 22:03.43 | Nicon | cartel_: appreciated. |
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| 22:04.14 | cartel_ | Nicon: and make sure every one in your enterprise who builds servers knows to put var on its own partition |
| 22:04.45 | Nicon | cartel_: hehe. :) yea. I am trying actually. |
| 22:04.57 | green_earz | fabietto: or run a copy knoppix from the cd and have a look in its /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and compare you may see the problem |
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| 22:06.28 | green_earz | fabietto: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is xserver config |
| 22:06.38 | fabietto | green_earz: i'm trying with a dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 22:07.04 | green_earz | fabietto: lets hope it works |
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| 22:07.22 | dondelelcaro | Nicon: just so it's absolutely clear, if you have FSCKFIX=yes in your /etc/default/rcS; and fsck isn't able to fix that problem, that's almost certainly a major problem. If you allow the filesystem to be mounted rw, the odds of overwriting stuff that shouldn't be overwritten increases greatly. |
| 22:08.09 | Nicon | dondelelcaro: yepp. I know. thanks. |
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| 22:08.29 | Daan | ~seen noone77 |
| 22:08.41 | apt | noone77 <~chatzilla@reverse-82-141-52-31.dialin.kamp-dsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 81d 21h 55m 19s ago, saying: 'pigeon: need to sleep now, hope to meet you soon here'. |
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| 22:08.43 | dondelelcaro | Nicon: ok, just don't come back here to complain if you lose data because of it. |
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| 22:09.01 | fabietto | green_earz: so, i should compare the XF86Config-4 file from the knoppix (or another live distribution, i suppose) with the one installed on my sarge? |
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| 22:09.13 | altt | hey im about to install debian on my viao s170, do you guys know where I can find info on getting the native rez of 1280x800 to work? the only linux on laptops article i found said there was an issue... |
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| 22:09.25 | Mike77_linux | Does anyone know which package is this one? -> 'Make sure you have X and it's headers and libraries (the -devel packages in Linux) installed'. (from Windowmaker) |
| 22:09.28 | fabietto | green_earz: ok, the dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig hasn't solved the problem :-) |
| 22:09.38 | dondelelcaro | Mike77_linux: xlibs-dev |
| 22:09.49 | Mike77_linux | dondek: Thankx |
| 22:09.52 | dondelelcaro | altt: google probably. You may need a special modeline to get that resolution to work properly. |
| 22:09.58 | Nicon | dondelelcaro: I won't. :) the system dosen't have critical data on it. it's just critical that it's being up if it can be up. then we can atleast schedule for when we will take it down or need to pay some attention because it is in risk. If it just stays down we have to wait 2-4 weeks garunteed. |
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| 22:10.12 | green_earz | fabietto: it may give the info you need. |
| 22:10.32 | dondelelcaro | Nicon: then don't even bother to fsck the drives |
| 22:10.33 | altt | dondelelcaro : thanks |
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| 22:11.22 | green_earz | fabietto: did you apt-get dist-upgrade work ok ? with out any problems |
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| 22:11.42 | Nicon | dondelelcaro: best would be to let it do a try as usual. if that fails it should boot rather than putting it to a lock state. that's the optimal goal |
| 22:11.46 | green_earz | fabietto: i know the fonts after |
| 22:12.42 | fabietto | green_earz: i never tried apt-get dist-upgrade, should i launch this command now? |
| 22:13.11 | green_earz | fabietto: apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:13.40 | fabietto | green_earz: ok, but which are the effects of this "distribution upgrade"? |
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| 22:14.16 | green_earz | fabietto: it will bring your sarge install up to date |
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| 22:14.40 | dondelelcaro | !dist-upgrade |
| 22:14.40 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'stable->testing', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. |
| 22:14.49 | fabietto | green_earz: like synaptic? |
| 22:15.01 | mwilson | Man, every time I think I've seen the stupidest ebay phish, I get another one. |
| 22:15.22 | Nicon | dondelelcaro, cartel_, valdyn_: thankyou for the help and constructive suggestions. |
| 22:15.43 | green_earz | fabietto: from the command line as root |
| 22:15.56 | dondelelcaro | DO NOT BLINDY RUN dist-upgrade |
| 22:16.16 | Solet | hey where can i find the image of a knoppix cd? |
| 22:16.25 | fabietto | green_earz: yes, i understood... but i would like to know the effect of this "dist-upgrade" on my machine |
| 22:16.27 | Delph | Solet: in #knoppix. |
| 22:16.31 | mwilson | Gee, you think maybe the knoppix web site might have one? |
| 22:16.37 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:16.39 | mwilson | Nah, after all... why would they? |
| 22:16.40 | streuner | Solet: that's OT here, use google |
| 22:17.03 | fabietto | green_earz: it doesn't affect the kernel i'm using, right? |
| 22:17.10 | mwilson | Huh, the URL actually works... wonder if it's worth bothering to report it. |
| 22:17.13 | green_earz | dondelelcaro: he as been using upgrade to bring his sarge install up to date |
| 22:17.14 | dondelelcaro | fabietto: no. |
| 22:17.41 | dondelelcaro | green_earz: yes, that's fine. But if you're going to recommend using dist-upgrade, you need to explain what else has to be checked before allowing it to proceed. |
| 22:18.24 | green_earz | dondelelcaro: can you explain then to fabietto: thanks |
| 22:18.44 | dondelelcaro | green_earz: you're the one recommending it. |
| 22:19.03 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why using aptitude, dselect or synaptic is preferable to using apt-get |
| 22:19.09 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: More than likely he doesn't even know the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade. |
| 22:19.15 | dondelelcaro | (unless you know exactly what you're doing) |
| 22:19.16 | kingsley | How large should an ext3 journal be? |
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| 22:19.54 | Solet | ok... didnt know knoppix was bad thing to mention in here... i just found it in a debian tutorial on how to set up multiple monitors on debian... and needed to know where tofind one... thx |
| 22:20.08 | fabietto | ok, ok... i don't run the dist-upgrade |
| 22:20.20 | mwilson | What idiot would recommend using Knoppix to set up multiple monitors? |
| 22:20.28 | green_earz | mwilson: so i can not go forwards with this but you must know then. if so say some thing. smart harss |
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| 22:20.41 | streuner | Solet: wrong, its not a bad thing to mention, but we support debian and not knoppix |
| 22:20.41 | dondelelcaro | fabietto: if you're going to use dist-upgrade, when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. |
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| 22:20.58 | catskul | I cant find the keyspan usb-serial converter support in debian 2.6.11 sources... has it been rolled into USB Generic Serial Driver, or removed for some reason ? |
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| 22:21.15 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: why not dist upgrade is <reply> If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade, when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. |
| 22:21.16 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 22:21.37 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: dist-upgrade is also see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 22:21.37 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 22:21.42 | fabietto | dondelelcaro: thank you very much... |
| 22:22.04 | dondelelcaro | fabietto: but if you've been using synaptic, it should have been doing that for you... |
| 22:22.12 | dondelelcaro | fabietto: np |
| 22:22.32 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: That factoid doesn't make sense. Anything that's being held back on a dist-upgrade isn't going to be installable in any case. I know what you meant, but that's not what it says. |
| 22:22.45 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: no, I mean held back on an upgrade |
| 22:22.56 | mwilson | I know. But that's not what it says. |
| 22:23.06 | dondelelcaro | it actually doesn't specify |
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| 22:23.28 | dondelelcaro | but that's not to say that it says "held back on dist-upgrade" |
| 22:23.29 | bitsmash | hi |
| 22:23.38 | bitsmash | are there any linux download managers? |
| 22:23.46 | mutante | wget |
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| 22:23.53 | mwilson | bitsmash: Such are evil. Do not use them. |
| 22:24.02 | dondelelcaro | dpkg why not dist upgrade =~ s/held back/held back on apt-get upgrade/ |
| 22:24.02 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 22:24.02 | bitsmash | wget is a download manager? |
| 22:24.19 | mutante | well,it can used in scripts |
| 22:24.19 | bitsmash | mwilson: why are they evil |
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| 22:24.26 | fabietto | dondelelcaro:yes, my problems started since this afternoon, when i made (through synaptic) the last update of my sarge... i saw that many x related packets were involved in the update. After the reboot, when X starts i can't read the fonts, because they're very "dirty", but anything else seems to work correctly. |
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| 22:24.32 | Netcraft | j #redhat |
| 22:24.44 | Netcraft | oups :/ |
| 22:24.45 | Ronin | no thanks Netcraft |
| 22:24.49 | Netcraft | ;) |
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| 22:24.52 | Netcraft | sorry |
| 22:24.55 | mwilson | bitsmash: Bandwidth limitations exist for a reason. Who are you to say you should have a larger piece of some site than someone else? |
| 22:25.19 | mutante | bitsmash: you could check out "ProZilla" |
| 22:25.32 | bitsmash | mwilson: i just want them categorized |
| 22:25.35 | fabietto | dondelelcaro: i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig, but without success. :( |
| 22:25.57 | mutante | and to make paulswm happy to ,it "supports bandwith throttling. " |
| 22:26.21 | resiak | mutante: I think you mean "to make mwilson happy". |
| 22:26.27 | mutante | yes ,i do |
| 22:26.58 | fabietto | dondelelcaro: i'm reading XF86Config-4. It says that "this file is automatically updated on xseerver-xfree86 package upgrades" |
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| 22:27.04 | bitsmash | mutante: does it categorize them? |
| 22:27.09 | dondelelcaro | fabietto: that's only if it hasn't been modified |
| 22:27.35 | fabietto | dondelelcaro: manually modified? |
| 22:27.40 | dondelelcaro | fabietto: yes. |
| 22:27.53 | fabietto | dondelelcaro: ok, i never edited it |
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| 22:28.24 | mutante | bitsmash: sort the file types? no,i dont think so |
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| 22:28.41 | dondelelcaro | fabietto: check /etc/fonts/local.conf and see if you've turned on or off the autohinter or subpixel renderer. Also, if you can stick up a screenshot, that would be useful as well. |
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| 22:29.17 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: He probably got the new fontconfig. Don't forget that Keith went insane, and now it has a profile directory instead of local.conf. Someone told him to check that already. |
| 22:29.44 | mutante | if using the "downloading the same file from multiple servers simultaneously based on FTPSearch results" way, its actually saving bandwidth for each individual server ,doesnt it? |
| 22:30.22 | mutante | bitsmash: what do you mean by "categorize" |
| 22:30.57 | Eclipser | mutante, unless your internet speed is greater than the servers, then I guess yeah :) |
| 22:30.58 | bob2` | that means it's time to use bittorrent |
| 22:31.18 | Silveira | i'm trying to connect by kppp, when it says logging on the network, the connection goes down |
| 22:31.26 | Silveira | what i need to do? |
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| 22:31.29 | bob2` | kppp d |
| 22:31.35 | bob2` | kppp does indeed suck |
| 22:31.41 | bob2` | make sure you did the noauth thing |
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| 22:31.46 | pingouin_ | i know it's stupid..but i've just discover that there is an acrobat 7 for linux |
| 22:31.46 | bob2` | (ie ask in #debian-kde) |
| 22:32.00 | dabreegster | Is there a package that contains POE? (the Perl modules) apt-cache search returns none. |
| 22:32.00 | mwilson | Most things with 'k' at the beginning of their name do. |
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| 22:32.12 | bob2` | dabreegster: libpoe-perl |
| 22:32.14 | Servo888 | I asked this question before, but I losted the message, but what was the package needed after the installing of xfree to get binaries such as startx? |
| 22:32.15 | helix | like ksymoops? |
| 22:32.24 | helix | or the kernel? :) |
| 22:32.28 | resiak | !faq Servo888 |
| 22:32.29 | dpkg | Servo888: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:32.29 | bob2` | Servo888: x-window-system |
| 22:32.30 | dabreegster | bob2`: Didn't see that |
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| 22:32.34 | mwilson | I said most, not all. |
| 22:32.39 | Servo888 | Thanks ya'll |
| 22:32.53 | dondelelcaro | apt-cache search POE|wc -l -> 21... |
| 22:33.08 | mwilson | And my kernel starts with a 'v', not a 'k' |
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| 22:33.27 | mutante | pingouin_: really the full Acrobat (to create pdf's) or just the Acrobat Reader (now Adobe Reader ?) |
| 22:33.30 | fabietto | green_earz: i'm not understanding. The screenshot is perfect! http://www.revolutionservice.it/screenshot.jpg |
| 22:33.35 | Mike77_linux | Looking for XFT command. Where can I find it? (package) |
| 22:33.52 | mwilson | Mike77_linux: Nowhere. There isn' t such a command. |
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| 22:33.57 | pingouin_ | mutante: only the reader, for sure, sorry my english so bad ;) |
| 22:34.02 | pingouin_ | ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/enu/ |
| 22:34.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell Mike77_linux about search |
| 22:34.16 | mutante | pingouin_: then "xpdf" works fine too, and its free |
| 22:34.28 | fabietto | dondelelcaro: i made the screenshot with gimp... and it's perfect! http://www.revolutionservice.it/screenshot.jpg |
| 22:34.44 | mwilson | Reader 7 isn't as broken as 5, and at least it doesn't try and mangle your browser. |
| 22:34.55 | pingouin_ | mutante: unfortunalty...i got some pdf that only acrobat 5 open or render properly :/ |
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| 22:35.08 | bob2` | it just has a javascript engine that lets documents phone home |
| 22:35.16 | pingouin_ | i guess the 7 would do the same for newer pdf produce under other os |
| 22:35.17 | dondelelcaro | yeay javascript |
| 22:35.34 | mwilson | Yeah, and although it has a switch to turn off the javascript, if you do it, it perpetually whines at you about it. |
| 22:35.35 | mutante | pingouin_: i would still like something to actually create pdf files |
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| 22:35.49 | Mike77_linux | dondelelcaro: thanx again. |
| 22:35.59 | resiak | mutante: OpenOffice.org |
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| 22:36.16 | mutante | resiak: oh, it writes pdf? got that at work, thanks |
| 22:36.20 | pingouin_ | only if the pdf is produce with the http://www.remoteapproach.com/ stuff for the javascript |
| 22:36.32 | resiak | mutante: It does, I think. |
| 22:36.32 | pothead | mutante: you can do that wisiwyg with open office, or use some foo2pdf tool |
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| 22:36.56 | pingouin_ | mutante: yep as resiak said, OOo do it very good way |
| 22:37.12 | pingouin_ | mutante: it's just can't open it (wich is a bit..strange..) |
| 22:37.14 | fabietto | dondelelcaro: i'm also looking for /etc/fonts/local.conf but i don't have this file |
| 22:37.22 | d0ugie | hi. on my dope-ass website i get these firefox tab junkies who middle click every thumbnail in sight.. i was wondering how i could go about configging apache to limit the number of simultaneous connections per user, not just for everyone .. trying to lower the latency |
| 22:37.32 | fabietto | dondelelcaro: i've got: conf.d, fonts.conf and fonts.dtd |
| 22:37.46 | d0ugie | the efnet #apache guys have no idea so i go to this channel where the smartest people are |
| 22:38.16 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Told you... |
| 22:38.23 | pothead | d0ugie: you want libapache-mod-limitipconn |
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| 22:38.39 | d0ugie | thanks, pothead .. i'll apt get that sucker |
| 22:38.52 | paulswm | Any ops in here who could please take +q off PerfDave, he was arguably unfairly +q'ed by lorez over six hours ago at 12:14:56 EDT |
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| 22:39.18 | Gh0sty | wth is this: i got a pc dsl-router, now running gentoo, now switched it to sarge, surfing and everything works fine but can't connect to msn messenger or login.passport.com |
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| 22:39.30 | Gh0sty | and my settings look exactly the same |
| 22:39.30 | thingfish | yes that was not a fair silencing, I saw that. |
| 22:39.40 | fabietto | mwilson: have you got an idea about my problem? |
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| 22:39.44 | lidocaine | clear |
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| 22:40.00 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@sparky.ox.compsoc.net] by bob2` |
| 22:40.01 | jethro | hi |
| 22:40.10 | d0ugie | pothead: also i want it to act as if it had a low mtu and went round robin style so that everyone gets a stable flow of data, even with the higher overhead.. but if i lowered the mtu on the router apache would still behave the same.. any libmods for that? |
| 22:40.18 | thingfish | hi jethro. |
| 22:40.33 | paulswm | thanks bob2` you are a good guy |
| 22:40.45 | d0ugie | bob2 is well aware of his good guyness |
| 22:40.47 | bob2` | tho I found it mildly annoying to have that in my /away |
| 22:40.49 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 22:41.04 | mwilson | fabietto: I'd just be repeating what you've already been told. |
| 22:41.26 | mwilson | fabietto: When you actually do those things, and they don't work, then we'll see. |
| 22:41.31 | d0ugie | if i had to bet on who is most likely to go to heaven, bob2's my man. dig? |
| 22:41.33 | toresbe | bob2`: thanks :P |
| 22:41.46 | pothead | d0ugie: then you should try some traffic shaping |
| 22:42.02 | pothead | d0ugie: but not with apache, rather with iptables and tc |
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| 22:42.52 | d0ugie | that would affect how apache decides who's in line for food? i want everyone to get a little food, one packet, and then the next IP gets a single packet of food, etc |
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| 22:43.11 | paulswm | bob2: Yes, I can understand that, but IMO it was a bit of a harsh punishment considering how much PerfDave helps out |
| 22:43.13 | devin_ | How would i install a game using cedga o debian? it's a cdrom " day of defeat"? Noob requesting alil help if anyone wouldnt mind? |
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| 22:43.17 | directhex | i like food |
| 22:43.19 | bob2 | paulswm: right |
| 22:43.27 | bob2 | devin_: #cedega |
| 22:43.31 | pothead | d0ugie: don't talk about food you make me hungry |
| 22:43.46 | mutante | d0ugie: i think thats what a "squid" server could do for you (squid+load balancing) |
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| 22:43.58 | d0ugie | lol but you got to admit i employed a good metaphor to explain what i'm trying to do, right |
| 22:44.06 | pothead | indeed :) |
| 22:44.30 | bob2 | d0ugie: I'd be looking at mod_throttle or mod_bandwidth, then asking in this #apache |
| 22:44.32 | thingfish | oh, yummy, Indian food. |
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| 22:45.08 | d0ugie | ok thanks bob .. but them #apache guys, at least at the time i asked, were essentially saying no idea go ask the d00dz on irc.debian |
| 22:45.22 | Mike77_linux | Windowmaker is asking for jpeg support (jpeg-devel) but it is not the first 3CDs of sarge. Does it have any other name? |
| 22:45.26 | bob2 | d0ugie: er |
| 22:45.29 | bob2 | d0ugie: on this network |
| 22:45.41 | bob2 | d0ugie: I wouldn't ask for help with anything but warez on efnet |
| 22:45.46 | Solet | hey anyone know of any good online debian stores in the us... i found the hat i want but its out of stock and it's in europe... the hat is here: http://openstuff.net/index.py/prod_info/prod_id/43 i want the black one :P |
| 22:45.49 | d0ugie | no .. efnet. You think freenode apache guys would know better? |
| 22:45.50 | d0ugie | ok |
| 22:45.58 | Kerr | would this: iptables -A INPUT -s 81.100.241.168 -j DROP block all traffic from that ip address? |
| 22:45.59 | bob2 | of course |
| 22:46.18 | cartel_ | what is the name of the debian web help helper thing |
| 22:46.26 | cartel_ | dhelp hasnt hooked into my apache |
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| 22:47.36 | devin_ | How would i install steam on debian? apt-get install steam? |
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| 22:48.17 | pothead | !tell d0ugie -about msg |
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| 22:48.53 | bob2 | devin_: #cedega, of course |
| 22:49.01 | streuner_ | Is there a package when somebody adress you (irssi), light go on, play music or such? |
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| 22:49.07 | devin_ | lol they didnt know |
| 22:49.15 | resiak | streuner_: apt-get install irssi-scripts |
| 22:49.17 | bob2 | devin_: then email transgaming |
| 22:49.28 | d0ugie | sorry pot, thought we were on a level, didn't want to break a worse rule and do it in the channel |
| 22:49.31 | bob2 | devin_: presumably they willl help you now you gave them money |
| 22:49.32 | streuner_ | resiak: i'll give that a try, thanks. |
| 22:49.59 | resiak | streuner_: I don't know if that comes with one, but it probably does. dpkg -L irssi-scripts once it's in place and have a look through them. |
| 22:50.58 | devin_ | nah |
| 22:51.03 | devin_ | i'm good! |
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| 22:51.28 | paulswm | If there is a music alert, I want Beethoven's da-da-da-daaah |
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| 22:52.06 | darkcmd | devin_: you install steam.. with dpkg -i nameofcedegapackageipayedfor.deb |
| 22:52.13 | darkcmd | and install it with.. cedega steaminstall.exe |
| 22:52.24 | kingsley | What's a good way to check if I've successfully converted an ext2 file system to ext3? |
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| 22:52.38 | streuner_ | just run it ;-) |
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| 22:53.43 | davem | How can I specify a different wm to start on a second x-server. |
| 22:53.46 | streuner_ | kingsley: converting to ext3 only adds a journal to the existing ext2... |
| 22:53.50 | Kvant | kingsley, remount it as ext3? |
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| 22:54.26 | yacoob | Yet another misshap :> |
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| 22:54.51 | yacoob | exactly three fonts have colorful blurry edges. Freesans, freeserif and freemono. |
| 22:54.59 | yacoob | Other fonts render OK. |
| 22:55.08 | yacoob | What could be the cause? |
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| 22:55.30 | paulswm | kingsley: sudo tune2fs -l <filesystem>, Filesystem Features should contain has_journal |
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| 22:56.10 | streuner_ | dpkg, ext2->ext3 |
| 22:56.10 | dpkg | ext2->ext3 is, like, To upgrade an ext2 partition to ext3 simply involves adding a journal. 'tune2fs -j /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition you want to change to ext3). Don't forget to change /etc/fstab to specify ext3 for the partition. Be sure to verify that your kernel has ext3 support (cat /proc/filesystems) |
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| 22:56.47 | foreyez | hey guys.. does anyone know what is the preferred module for writing an XML file using perl? |
| 22:56.49 | green_earz | dondelelcaro: thanks for pointing out the difference for dist-upgrade and upgrade. from sarge to sarge upgrade and from say woody to sarge dist-upgrade |
| 22:57.13 | devin_ | im getting alot of these errors when i try to apt-get update! " ailed to fetch http://archive.kalyxo.org/kalyxo/dists/staging/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Could not resolve 'archive.kalyxo.org' |
| 22:57.13 | devin_ | Failed to fetch http://archive.kalyxo.org/kalyxo/dists/staging/main/binary-i386/Release Could not resolve 'archive.kalyxo.org' |
| 22:57.28 | travisat | foreyez: whichever one you prefer |
| 22:57.35 | streuner_ | use another mirror then, devin_ |
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| 22:58.13 | d0ugie | pothead: installed libapache-mod-limitipconn but there's no man page .. how could i rtfm? |
| 22:58.16 | devin_ | streuner_ how do i switch if you don't mind explaining? |
| 22:58.37 | clojster | can someone help me with installing new x-www-browser alternative? I'm a bit confused in man |
| 22:58.41 | streuner_ | devin_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 22:58.44 | pothead | d0ugie: /usr/share/doc/<packagename> is always a good start |
| 22:58.48 | green_earz | devin_: apt-setup to pick another mirror |
| 22:59.06 | streuner_ | devin_: /msg dpkg mirrors, and pick one of those. |
| 22:59.30 | foreyez | travisat, i was thinking of using XML::Writer ... but my perl doesn't have that module. do you have to be root in order to install a perl module? |
| 22:59.47 | darkcmd | yes |
| 22:59.53 | darkcmd | i believe so |
| 23:00.01 | d0ugie | pothead: nice, found it.. you good |
| 23:00.30 | omnistegan | hey guys, is ftp.debian.org down or something? I can't connect on any of my computers |
| 23:00.58 | d0ugie | omni: try ftp.us.debian.org |
| 23:01.38 | travisat | foreyez: yeah I think you need to be root to install modules, xml::writer is available through apt |
| 23:01.44 | jdv | no problems with ftp.debian.org from here |
| 23:01.58 | oseymen | ftp.debian.org seems ok... |
| 23:02.18 | foreyez | travisat, tnx |
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| 23:02.26 | Lestat^O^ | hi |
| 23:02.54 | Lestat^O^ | how to do a "goto" into a bash/shell script? |
| 23:03.04 | resiak | Lestat^O^: FTLOG, man, WHY? |
| 23:03.53 | Lestat^O^ | resiak: I want to do a if then goto somewhere else in the script (like in dos-script) |
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| 23:04.07 | yacoob | hm. Anyone can help about those free* fonts? |
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| 23:05.02 | gam314 | plese help who change menu applications?? in gnome 2.10 |
| 23:05.14 | resiak | gam314: Gnome 2.10 isn't in Debian. What are you running? |
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| 23:05.39 | xelam | 2.10.... what a horrid version number :| |
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| 23:05.48 | gam314 | ubuntu |
| 23:05.53 | mwilson | gam314: You don't. Gnome knows better than you, and doesn't provide a menu editor since you don't actually need to do that. |
| 23:05.56 | darkcmd | ubuntu is not debian |
| 23:06.16 | gam314 | ok tnk |
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| 23:06.29 | Lestat^O^ | resiak: perhaps goto doesn't exist in bash/shell script and you need to "think" your script for not do some sub-routine (or use external script perhaps)? |
| 23:06.30 | darkcmd | it's based around debian technologies, but is not debian |
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| 23:07.24 | valdyn_ | mwilson: it does, its just not a seperate tool |
| 23:07.29 | RelDrgn | anyone know if sane/libusb is broken on sid right now? After a few months I decided to dust off my scanner and scan something, and its not working, libusb gets "USB error: error submitting URB: No such file or directory" then sits around for 30 seconds or so before it times out. Only bug I can find is "breaks gphoto2" which isn't descriptive |
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| 23:07.57 | catskul | is the debain kernel patch important to functionality... i.e. if I create a new kernel package without the patch and install it on my system will it create problems |
| 23:08.04 | catskul | s/system/debian system |
| 23:08.19 | resiak | Lestat^O^: All I'm saying is that you shouldn't need to use goto. Why not use a function? |
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| 23:08.30 | thingfish | catskul: it's really smarter to just be patient, or apply the debian patches if they're available and you know how. |
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| 23:09.13 | mwilson | RelDrgn: Sane is working for me, but my scanner is SCSI, not USB. |
| 23:09.26 | catskul | thingfish, the debian packages leave out "yet to be liberated" drivers that I need which the standard kernel source ball has |
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| 23:09.55 | catskul | thingfish, dont want to apply a debian patch that is going to re-remove that driver |
| 23:10.04 | thingfish | catskul: sure |
| 23:10.45 | catskul | sure ?... : / ... am I going to be screwing myself by not applying the debian patches ? |
| 23:11.21 | drac | catskul: not if you don't use initrd. |
| 23:11.22 | valdyn_ | catskul: cant make a general statement about that, probably not. |
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| 23:11.48 | Lestat^O^ | resiak: wanted to test something (if [ -n $xx ] then "goto end:" and so pass all other test after... |
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| 23:11.56 | valdyn_ | catskul: read the patchlist / changelog, you might not use anything of that |
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| 23:12.24 | resiak | Lestat^O^: Why not just negate the condition, and wrap the rest of the code in the if? |
| 23:12.27 | cartel_ | what is the name of the debian www doc browser? dhelp hasnt hooked into my apache |
| 23:12.31 | Champagne | very silly question. How can I join gnuchess with xboard? |
| 23:12.33 | resiak | Lestat^O^: I don't know sh to be honest. |
| 23:13.06 | travisat | cartel_: dwww |
| 23:13.08 | dataw0lf | anyone know a way to keep a package back whilst doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 23:13.38 | resiak | !tell dataw0lf about hold |
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| 23:13.47 | resiak | Hmm |
| 23:13.50 | void | hello |
| 23:14.05 | Lestat^O^ | resiak: yes... just too used with old basic/dos script that use easily "goto" instead of structur better the script :D ... will try it thx ;) |
| 23:14.08 | lewis | anyone know anything about exim4 quotas? |
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| 23:16.02 | Nerve | is there anwyay i can get my kernel log to be more detailed so i can locate the source of a problem? |
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| 23:18.21 | cartel_ | travisat: thx |
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| 23:21.05 | resiak | !ops HaKim sending onjoin spam, just cycled to check. |
| 23:21.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: HaKim sending onjoin spam, just cycled to check. |
| 23:21.15 | devin_ | how do i fix this: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 23:21.16 | devin_ | E: Error occured while processing rdiff (NewVersion1) |
| 23:21.16 | devin_ | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.crosslink.net_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 23:21.16 | devin_ | /usr/sbin/apt-setup: line 220: [: : integer expression expected |
| 23:21.16 | devin_ | ngettext: missing arguments |
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| 23:21.20 | resiak | !topicsmite Azar |
| 23:21.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Azar. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:21.35 | Azar | uh topic? |
| 23:21.37 | void | Gamez:~# apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source |
| 23:21.37 | void | W: Unable to locate package nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 23:21.42 | Lestat^O^ | bye |
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| 23:21.46 | prodope | what's a good primer for upgrading kernels the debian way? |
| 23:21.49 | resiak | !tell void about nvidia howto |
| 23:21.52 | mono | how do i mount a partition of my hd from boot that wasn't included in my inital fdisk? |
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| 23:21.56 | travisat | !kp |
| 23:22.05 | dpkg | somebody said kp was To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 23:22.08 | Azar | oh |
| 23:22.10 | void | resiak: thats what im using +/ |
| 23:22.11 | resiak | Azar: "Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op" |
| 23:22.20 | streuner | void: if necessary put an non-free line into sources.list |
| 23:22.28 | bob2 | prodope: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 23:22.32 | bob2 | prodope: pick one, install it |
| 23:22.40 | devin_ | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 23:22.40 | devin_ | E: Error occured while processing rdiff (NewVersion1) |
| 23:22.47 | void | streuner: ok |
| 23:22.52 | Azar | thanks resiak :) |
| 23:23.03 | devin_ | t: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.crosslink.net_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 23:23.05 | devin_ | ? |
| 23:23.06 | streuner | dpkg, dynamic mmap |
| 23:23.06 | dpkg | dynamic mmap is probably "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 23:23.11 | bob2 | devin_: stop it, jesus |
| 23:23.11 | devin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.20 | bob2 | devin_: you didn't read the FAQ, now you're crapflooding |
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| 23:24.10 | streuner | devin_: try to solve one problem first, then the other |
| 23:24.38 | devin_ | I run it to problems trying to solve others |
| 23:25.00 | streuner | hehe |
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| 23:25.53 | Azar | hahaha sorry I cannot stop sharing this: "... Do you love me? It is a binary question, with only two responses. Your response "I am thinking" , is not a data that fits within my constraints. Please reformulate your reply; I can not accept it." - from the article "Erotica Found Withing Microsoft Office Install. |
| 23:26.11 | Azar | Within* |
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| 23:27.48 | clojster | I have configured x-www-browser alternative to Opera, but it still opens firefox by default... why?? |
| 23:27.56 | devin_ | ill tsunami this room if I don't start geting alil bit respect around here |
| 23:28.05 | bob2 | boohoo |
| 23:28.09 | bob2 | then you'll get klined |
| 23:28.11 | mwilson | clojster: Because whatever you're looking at doesn't use the alternatives system. |
| 23:28.22 | devin_ | oh well wouldnt hurt me any |
| 23:28.24 | bob2 | devin_: threats will make people laugh at you, not help you |
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| 23:28.39 | bob2 | devin_: and getting annoyed because YOU didn't read the FAQ is stupid |
| 23:28.53 | clojster | mwilson: so how can I configure my default www brovser? |
| 23:29.05 | devin_ | boohoo |
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| 23:29.22 | mwilson | clojster: "default" according to what? |
| 23:29.46 | clojster | mwilson: "system" default... can I do that? |
| 23:30.08 | mwilson | clojster: There's no such thing as a "system" default. |
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| 23:30.26 | Guerin | clojster: gnome has one default. kde has another default. alternatives has another default. Pick the ones you need, or change them all. |
| 23:30.32 | resiak | clojster: I swear I told you how to do this yesterday. |
| 23:30.36 | Guerin | and yes, this IS widely regarded as a pain in the arse. |
| 23:30.45 | clojster | mwilson: I have this app, where I cannot set the browser it should use. And when I open help, it autmatically opens firefox... but I want it to open opera... |
| 23:30.51 | Champagne | very silly question. How can I join gnuchess with xboard? |
| 23:30.53 | Nerve | how would I get my kernel log to be more detailed, im having lockup issues and i'd like to locate the problem |
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| 23:31.12 | resiak | clojster: Is it a Gnomish app or a KDEish app. |
| 23:31.13 | clojster | resiak: update-alternatives... I did it right now |
| 23:31.15 | bob2 | Nerve: you can't, in general |
| 23:31.32 | bob2 | Champagne: running xboard isn't enough? |
| 23:31.41 | clojster | resiak: don't know but it uses OpenMotif |
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| 23:31.52 | resiak | *fear* |
| 23:31.59 | rvirani | hey all |
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| 23:32.10 | resiak | clojster: Read its FM. |
| 23:32.12 | mwilson | clojster: You're assuming that this application calls firefox via some default mechanism rather than simply calling it directly? |
| 23:32.24 | rvirani | bob2: do you know how to get links installed on debian-sarge, apt-cache seaerch links doesnt return anything, I also wanted irssi too... |
| 23:32.33 | Champagne | bob2: no, both of them are installed but don't work together |
| 23:32.36 | patad | is there any dancer-ircd's out there? |
| 23:32.48 | resiak | rvirani: That's simply not true. It returns pages of stuff. |
| 23:32.51 | rvirani | are there any other repositories I can add to my sources.list other than the ones that came with debian? |
| 23:32.52 | clojster | mwilson: well... how can it call it directly? what if I hadn't it installed? |
| 23:33.01 | Azar | rvirani you do apt-get install irssi-text |
| 23:33.02 | mwilson | rvirani: Why do you lie, about something so easily checked? |
| 23:33.08 | Nerve | bob2, :( that sucks |
| 23:33.09 | streuner | patad: its in debian |
| 23:33.09 | rvirani | resiak: my response didnt get any browser for links |
| 23:33.18 | bob2 | rvirani: irssi-text, don't know if links is in there or not |
| 23:33.21 | rvirani | mwilson: Im not lying assmunch |
| 23:33.22 | resiak | rvirani: will@kryten:~$ apt-cache search ^links | wc -l # gives 5 |
| 23:33.23 | rvirani | irssi works |
| 23:33.25 | rvirani | links doesnt |
| 23:33.26 | mwilson | clojster: Maybe it wouldn't load anything at all. |
| 23:33.30 | resiak | !info links2 sarge |
| 23:33.35 | dpkg | links2: (Web browser running in both graphics and text mode), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1pre16-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1960 kB, Installed size: 3136 kB |
| 23:33.44 | rvirani | libc6-dev - GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files |
| 23:33.44 | rvirani | devfsd - Daemon for the device file system |
| 23:33.44 | rvirani | desktop-base - common files for the Debian Desktop |
| 23:33.44 | rvirani | sysv-rc - Standard boot mechanism using symlinks in /etc/rc?.d |
| 23:33.44 | rvirani | file-rc - Alternative boot mechanism using a single configuration file |
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| 23:33.59 | rvirani | which one of those is links the web browser |
| 23:33.59 | patad | streuner, ?? |
| 23:34.02 | mwilson | resiak: Now, you know you faked that... after all, he says it's not there. |
| 23:34.03 | rvirani | dont tell me I am lying |
| 23:34.05 | Miks` | Which mobil phones are good for ssh/irc? |
| 23:34.08 | clojster | mwilson: nono |
| 23:34.08 | resiak | rvirani: How did you install Debian? |
| 23:34.13 | Azar | hmm I wonder why sarge does not came with links bundled? |
| 23:34.17 | Guerin | !htfswk Miks` |
| 23:34.17 | dpkg | Miks`: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 23:34.23 | resiak | rvirani: And is your /etc/apt/sources.list sane? |
| 23:34.23 | mwilson | Azar: "bundled"? |
| 23:34.27 | Guerin | Azar: why should it? |
| 23:34.33 | resiak | Azar: Trust me, the package _is_ there. |
| 23:34.36 | Azar | mwilson, sorry for the gross typo |
| 23:34.39 | acces | how can i change the time ? :S w00t ! |
| 23:34.51 | rvirani | it only has the CDROM |
| 23:34.57 | rvirani | oh wierd |
| 23:34.58 | Azar | so why is rvirani complaining that he did not got links? |
| 23:35.01 | resiak | rvirani: apt-setup |
| 23:35.04 | Champagne | very silly question. How can I join gnuchess with xboard? |
| 23:35.07 | rvirani | resiak: k thanx |
| 23:35.10 | resiak | Azar: Because he has a retarded sources.list |
| 23:35.13 | resiak | !k |
| 23:35.13 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 23:35.13 | streuner | patad: use a whole sentence, my crystal-thingie is in low stat |
| 23:35.19 | Blissex | acces: probably with a big mass, like a black hole, or by using a wormhole... |
| 23:35.19 | Azar | oh I see |
| 23:35.28 | rvirani | trying to learn debian, not to good with the distro-specifics yet |
| 23:35.31 | acces | hehe |
| 23:35.34 | patad | streuner, you said its in debian?? |
| 23:35.40 | resiak | rvirani: Sure. |
| 23:35.41 | streuner | patad: yeah |
| 23:35.54 | Guerin | Azar: man date; man hwclock |
| 23:35.55 | patad | streuner, whats that supposed to mean? |
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| 23:35.59 | rvirani | resiak: Im being serious dude. |
| 23:36.12 | resiak | rvirani: I know. So am I. :) |
| 23:36.13 | Azar | rvirani, you google and study apt-primer or apt HOWTO |
| 23:36.15 | Blissex | acces: were you trying to ask how to change one of the _clocks_? |
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| 23:36.23 | acces | :) |
| 23:36.29 | rvirani | Azar: k thanx |
| 23:36.30 | Azar | Guerin, my clock still ticks ok |
| 23:36.43 | Guerin | oh |
| 23:36.46 | patad | streuner, oh did i ask a question lol |
| 23:36.52 | Guerin | acces: see my advice to Azar above |
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| 23:37.06 | directhex | rvirani, run "apt-setup" to configure some sources. |
| 23:37.06 | acces | yep. |
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| 23:37.13 | Zap-W | how do i get samba-vscan working for debian sarge |
| 23:37.21 | Blissex | acces: in the case your ambition is limited to changing the clocks, you need to be aware that there are _two_ clocks, one is set with 'date' and the other with 'hwclock'. |
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| 23:37.31 | streuner | Zap-W: by reading the man-page? |
| 23:37.39 | Blissex | acces: I just missed Guerin's reply. |
| 23:37.42 | streuner | Zap-W: or the documentation? |
| 23:37.47 | patad | streuner, i was meant to say a howto for dancer |
| 23:38.07 | Zap-W | streuner: i mean , there is no debianized package of that , it requires samba source and recompiling big mess |
| 23:38.08 | Azar | directhex, I guess rvirani needs to find out about non-free, deb, non-US and other little details about sources, as well as about "stable" "testing" and "unstable" |
| 23:38.18 | streuner | patad: google for asufield wrote one, its out there in html form |
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| 23:38.29 | patad | cheers |
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| 23:38.47 | directhex | Azar, yeah, but i learnt a long time ago to just follow the path of least resistance & give the bare minimum respose needed to shut someone up |
| 23:38.52 | streuner | Zap-W: i would try #samba then |
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| 23:38.59 | Zap-W | done |
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| 23:39.27 | Azar | directhex, if they would know how to and where to search and read the HOWTOs they won't bug you as much |
| 23:39.36 | jepel_tailweaver | Hello all. Where can I find the "local" initscript in debian? It's /etc/rc.d/rc.local or /etc/init.d/local.start in some other distros, but I'm not familar with debian's initsystem |
| 23:39.44 | Guerin | Azar: you'd think that might be true, but it patently is not. |
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| 23:39.57 | Guerin | !rc local |
| 23:40.00 | slackd00d | anyone know why debblue.debian.net is down? |
| 23:40.01 | Guerin | !rc.local |
| 23:40.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 23:40.18 | Mike77_linux | Can somebody tell me to add sound support to X11? |
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| 23:40.24 | jepel_tailweaver | a hack for lazy people? it has a legitamate use |
| 23:40.31 | jepel_tailweaver | and I've rolled my own initscripts |
| 23:40.33 | streuner | Mike77_linux: /msg dpkg sound |
| 23:40.34 | Azar | Guerin the people new at Debian, and linux in general do not know they have to read and if they feel like they would not know where to get the online manuals |
| 23:40.44 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: What "legitimate use" would that be? |
| 23:40.46 | green_earz | Azar: i like what you are saying |
| 23:40.57 | Guerin | jepel_tailweaver: yeah, a legitimate use as a time saver for people who are too lazy to write real init scripts |
| 23:41.02 | CroatianNinja | Mike77_linux, something other than alsa? |
| 23:41.16 | Guerin | or to fill in the blanks in skeleton |
| 23:41.33 | Mike77_linux | CroatianNinja: I'm confused... alsa, OSS (or OOS?)... xmss |
| 23:41.34 | Guerin | Mike77_linux: X11 and sound support are unconnected |
| 23:41.37 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, I'm just trying to add an hdparm command to the boot sequence. I don't see how that falls into a usual sequence and it's rather minor for its own script |
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| 23:41.42 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.12 | jepel_tailweaver | Guerin, I've written real init scripts in Gentoo, Debian, and Slackware. I don't have anythign else about writing "real" init scripts |
| 23:42.16 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: Except, of course, that (a) there already is one, (b) if you think you need to be using hdparm, better would be to find out why the kernel isn't already doing whatever it is that you're trying to force. |
| 23:42.32 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, hdparm -c3 /dev/hda (sets IO support to 32-bit) |
| 23:42.38 | CroatianNinja | Mike77_linux, try running alsaconf as root |
| 23:42.41 | Mike77_linux | Here is the dal. I have progs that use sound, but want to be able to control volume, mute channels, etc. Is there any package that can do this in X11 + Windowmaker? |
| 23:42.42 | Guerin | jepel_tailweaver: i'm sure you have. |
| 23:42.52 | Guerin | Mike77_linux: what kernel, what sound card? |
| 23:42.53 | Mike77_linux | *deal |
| 23:43.02 | abrotman | !alicekill resiak |
| 23:43.08 | dondelelcaro | Mike77_linux: aumix or alsamixer can do it easily from the commandline |
| 23:43.10 | Mike77_linux | Debian Sarge 2.4 |
| 23:43.17 | resiak | abrotman: :( |
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| 23:43.33 | Guerin | Mike77_linux: what CARD? |
| 23:43.41 | Mike77_linux | Guerin: sb |
| 23:43.42 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: So... you're running Woody? |
| 23:43.55 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, Sarge |
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| 23:44.06 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, 2.6.11 kernel, rolled by hand |
| 23:44.10 | Guerin | Mike77_linux: use 2.6 and alsa, alsaconf should find that. |
| 23:44.23 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: And you don't find the existing initscript acceptable because...? |
| 23:44.23 | patad | regarding apt-get, how can i reinstall a package, i forget |
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| 23:44.31 | Guerin | Mike77_linux: you'll need to install alsa-base and maybe alsa-utils |
| 23:44.34 | streuner | patad: man apt-get |
| 23:45.08 | CroatianNinja | Guerin, but if he installed normal desktop system that should be there already right? |
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| 23:45.14 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, I didn't know there was an existing one. A quick look through /etc/init.d didn't show anything that I thought would have it |
| 23:45.27 | Azar | patad http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 Apt-Get Primer |
| 23:45.29 | Mike77_linux | Guerin: is there any GUI for this? command line is nice, but I'm more inclined to X11 |
| 23:45.30 | Guerin | CroatianNinja: what is this 'normal desktop system' of which you speak? |
| 23:45.32 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: Yeah, that one named "hdparm" is *really* hidden well. |
| 23:46.06 | Guerin | Mike77_linux: no. Hardware config tools should never be gui-based, for what must be obvious reasons. |
| 23:46.12 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, my mistake, I didn't see it. |
| 23:46.16 | patad | it says for apt-get i have 108 things not upgraded |
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| 23:46.33 | Azar | patad read that page |
| 23:46.37 | patad | why |
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| 23:46.45 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: It's ok... say it with me... "I actually didn't look to see if there was one already..." |
| 23:46.48 | Guerin | patad: because it contains an explanation. |
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| 23:46.51 | Azar | Guerin, you were right, I lose |
| 23:46.56 | Guerin | Azar: heh |
| 23:47.11 | Mike77_linux | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 23:47.17 | patad | ok read |
| 23:47.17 | Azar | patad nobody gonna give you tutorials here 1-1 |
| 23:47.18 | clojster | You can select to open the documentation in an external Web browser (set by your system's file association with .html). |
| 23:47.19 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, I did look, I just overlooked it. I'm not too familiar with this init system, and, in all honesty, haven't spent much time making myself familiar with it |
| 23:47.20 | chealer | !win Guerin |
| 23:47.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 23:47.27 | patad | Azar, i figured that |
| 23:47.27 | Guerin | chealer: another one! |
| 23:47.33 | EvilSporkMan | I need to do all the nvidia driver finagling even if i have something as old as a geforce2, right? |
| 23:47.37 | directhex | EvilSporkMan, for 3d |
| 23:47.43 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: nope. just use nv |
| 23:47.44 | clojster | so where can I set the file association with html? |
| 23:47.48 | chealer | Guerin: ok, it's optional this time ;) |
| 23:47.48 | directhex | EvilSporkMan, 2d will be fine on woody or higher on a geforce2 |
| 23:47.58 | patad | Azar, it says that i have a different zlib version |
| 23:48.01 | mwilson | clojster: What "file association"? |
| 23:48.03 | directhex | EvilSporkMan, you only need nvidia-glx if you want 3d |
| 23:48.12 | EvilSporkMan | directhex: well why wouldn't I want 3d? =) |
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| 23:48.37 | clojster | mwilson: You can select to open the documentation in an external Web browser (set by your system's file association with .html). |
| 23:48.39 | directhex | EvilSporkMan, because you only have a geforce2 because you needed a cheap card to display irc? |
| 23:48.52 | clojster | mwilson: this is what documentation to that software says |
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| 23:49.05 | Guerin | clojster: which system? I've already explained that there are several "default" settings |
| 23:49.09 | MobyTurbo | directhex: don't make fun of his geforce2, I'm using a TNT2 Model 64. |
| 23:49.18 | Guerin | tnt2m64 owns |
| 23:49.31 | directhex | tnt2's neither big nor clever |
| 23:49.41 | clojster | Guerin: which are they? alternatives, gconf, kcontrol? what else? |
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| 23:49.50 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: it came with the system, and since I don't play games I never bothered to upgrade. |
| 23:49.53 | Guerin | clojster: those are the big three |
| 23:49.59 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: me too |
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| 23:50.27 | MobyTurbo | :-P |
| 23:50.39 | cafuego | that said, there's a geforce2 here somewhere |
| 23:50.47 | slackd00d | since debblue.debian.net is down...is there another place with a good how to on making custom kernels for debian? |
| 23:50.48 | cafuego | they're VERY long in the tooth these days though |
| 23:50.57 | clojster | Guerin: hmm... I think that gconf and kcontrol have nothing to do with this software |
| 23:51.02 | cafuego | directhex: Yeah yeah, bitch. |
| 23:51.06 | Eclipser | can I safely remove xprint Xprt and such packages? |
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| 23:51.11 | clojster | Guerin: and alternatives didn't help too |
| 23:51.16 | streuner | slackd00d: newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 23:51.19 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: yeah, nvidia's been breaking their older-card support in their latest drivers. |
| 23:51.22 | EvilSporkMan | directhex: it's for a friend? I might as well put on direct rendering because it improves stuff tremendously in my experience |
| 23:51.24 | mwilson | Eclipser: Does anything you use need them? |
| 23:51.28 | Guerin | clojster: well, if you're still talking about opera, you might as well ask the opera people... |
| 23:51.31 | patad | it says that i have 108 not upgraded, how do i upgrade them? apt-get upgrade? |
| 23:51.39 | directhex | EvilSporkMan, woody or sarge? |
| 23:51.50 | EvilSporkMan | directhex: sarge |
| 23:51.50 | clojster | Guerin: hmm okay |
| 23:51.51 | Guerin | clojster: if it's a documentation-system issue it might be configurable |
| 23:51.51 | davidw | hi dudes |
| 23:51.54 | slackd00d | streuner: thanks |
| 23:51.54 | Eclipser | mwilson, well, I don't have a printer, but some programs like openoffice might need it :) |
| 23:51.57 | streuner | patad: read the man page of apt-get, it explains what you need to do |
| 23:52.00 | EvilSporkMan | nv will get me direct rendering though, won't it |
| 23:52.01 | directhex | !tell EvilSporkMan about nvidia howto |
| 23:52.09 | patad | a simple yes would do fine |
| 23:52.09 | davidw | recommendations for a 'stable'-era pop3 daemon? |
| 23:52.14 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Hmm, forced upgrades. neat. |
| 23:52.18 | MobyTurbo | EvilSporkMan: it will get you a bit of 2D acceleration, nothing more. |
| 23:52.19 | Guerin | patad: no |
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| 23:52.22 | directhex | EvilSporkMan, no, it won't. you need nvidia-glx for dri on nvidia |
| 23:52.29 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: yeah, that's what I think. |
| 23:52.30 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Well, I suppose the older drivers work fine, so there's no need to change those. |
| 23:52.34 | EvilSporkMan | directhex: yeah, i was looking at that, i was just making sure that applied all the way back to geforce2...so i go ahead and install the unstable stuff |
| 23:52.35 | clojster | Guerin: I still think it's more Debian issue than opera itself... |
| 23:52.46 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: the older drivers don't work with newer kernels. |
| 23:52.49 | Guerin | clojster: well, since I don't clearly know the issue, I can't say |
| 23:53.08 | Eclipser | mwilson, if I try to apt-get remove xprint it'll want to remove x-window-system package too :< |
| 23:53.15 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: There are patches for at least up to 2.6.11.5 for the older drivers. |
| 23:53.17 | mwilson | Eclipser: So? |
| 23:53.21 | Eclipser | is that ok? |
| 23:53.23 | directhex | Eclipser, x-window-system is a metapackage |
| 23:53.27 | Eclipser | ooo, ok |
| 23:53.31 | clojster | Guerin: the issue is: set the default handler for .html files... |
| 23:53.38 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: I didn't know about that. |
| 23:53.59 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: They're in the topic on #nvidia |
| 23:54.13 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: OK. Thanks for the heads up. |
| 23:54.34 | Guerin | clojster: that is not an issue; that is a misinterpretation of an issue. Set the default handler IN WHAT? |
| 23:55.12 | Guerin | clojster: from what application do you want to spawn a browser? It's clearly not /bin/bash, the default debian UI. |
| 23:55.29 | clojster | Guerin: that's the whole point... it's Alias Maya |
| 23:55.58 | Guerin | clojster: so set it in maya, or find out which subsystem maya uses. |
| 23:56.11 | void | can someone gimme a hand real quick? kernal-image installed != kernal-headers installed. i would think i can just update the kernal-image installed to 2.6.8-15 but i dont know how... |
| 23:56.15 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: yes, they're slowly but surely ironing out the bugs. For a couple of versions they didn't work at all. Now they work but have occasional 3D and Xv rendering freezes that easily are terminated. |
| 23:56.23 | green_earz | Azar: that primer is a very good link, thanks |
| 23:56.28 | Guerin | clojster: this is not a debian issue, this is a problem which comes from using proprietary software which doesn't know about the OS it's installed upon. |
| 23:56.33 | EvilSporkMan | i'm following that nvidia-howto but i'm getting complaints about nvidia-kernel-common not being available...where can i get it? |
| 23:56.41 | Azar | green_earz, most welcome |
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| 23:56.48 | Guerin | void: kernel |
| 23:56.49 | chealer | EvilSporkMan: you need non-free and sid sources |
| 23:56.55 | clojster | Guerin: it can't be set in maya... maya uses "default" system .html handler... and it's OpenMotif app |
| 23:56.56 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: It's in the non-free repository. |
| 23:57.10 | Guerin | clojster: THERE IS NO DEFAULT SYSTEM .html HANDLER |
| 23:57.19 | clojster | Guerin: :) |
| 23:57.19 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: thanks |
| 23:57.23 | Guerin | clojster: there are several; find out which one maya wants to use |
| 23:57.29 | moustic | test |
| 23:57.35 | dondelelcaro | moustic: fail |
| 23:57.43 | void | kernel-image installed 2.6.8-13 but the canadate is 2.6.8-15 which is the same as kernel-heareds |
| 23:57.45 | clojster | Guerin: ok, I'm dumb |
| 23:57.57 | clojster | Guerin: but how can I find it out? |
| 23:58.06 | directhex | void, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:58.23 | void | directhex: thx |
| 23:58.31 | Guerin | clojster: I don't know, that should be documented by the maya people. You could try to strace it or something... |
| 23:58.37 | dondelelcaro | clojster: use strace on maya or whatever. If it's sane it should be using BROWSER or similar. |
| 23:58.54 | void | directhex: i can start from when i left in the drivetr install right? i dont have to start over? |
| 23:58.55 | Guerin | clojster: or find out which browser it's using, and see which alternative subsystem points to that browser |
| 23:59.09 | green_earz | Azar: i just reading it and its a very good intro into the apg-get world |
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| 23:59.47 | directhex | void, i don't know, depends what driver you install, and how |
| 23:59.48 | clojster | dondelelcaro: and how can I configure BROWSER? |
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| 23:59.59 | void | directhex: thx |
