| 00:00.06 | dvs | <dvs> !find gnomebaker sarge |
| 00:00.07 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.14 | CharlesBrown | dpkg is wrong |
| 00:00.16 | CharlesBrown | It is in sarge. |
| 00:00.58 | dvs | CharlesBrown: It's not in my apt-get cache. |
| 00:01.05 | drac | Or in mine. |
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| 00:01.23 | mwilson | CharlesBrown: My Sarge box disagrees with you. |
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| 00:01.33 | kjp | mwilson any ideas on clarifying it? |
| 00:01.35 | CharlesBrown | hmm |
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| 00:01.47 | mwilson | kjp: Something you launched spit that out on stderr. |
| 00:01.48 | itp560 | where can I set the NIS domain name in the NIS server? |
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| 00:01.59 | mwilson | kjp: At what point does it occur? |
| 00:02.13 | cornSCOlio | howdy all, i install ipopd and it is missing libc-client.so.2001, any ideas? |
| 00:02.39 | CharlesBrown | Well if I installed the cvs on sarge... |
| 00:02.43 | CharlesBrown | How can I uninstall it? |
| 00:02.48 | mwilson | Oh, yeah... gnomebaker. Profoundly crap. |
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| 00:03.23 | kjp | mwilson, I login, type: startx and the screen flashes to a pretty grey hatch background for a fraction of a second before dumping me back at console with no visible error messages. |
| 00:03.30 | dvs | CharlesBrown: apt-get remove cvs |
| 00:03.41 | kjp | mwilson, i'm frustrated by this because I can't figure out how to tell whats throwing the error |
| 00:03.45 | mwilson | kjp: Ok, what's in your .xinitrc/.xsession? |
| 00:04.01 | mwilson | And what's in the X log? |
| 00:04.08 | CharlesBrown | dvs, I installed the cvs of gnomebaker |
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| 00:04.14 | CharlesBrown | sorry, my english is bad |
| 00:04.15 | BucWheat | hi all |
| 00:04.31 | BucWheat | what is the best way to reproduce one workstation to many? |
| 00:04.32 | kjp | mwilson, a call to Xmodmap |
| 00:04.44 | dvs | CharlesBrown: Then I don't know what the package name is.l |
| 00:04.46 | itp560 | anyone who know where to put the NIS DOAMIN name in the etc . |
| 00:04.53 | mwilson | kjp: Nothing else? |
| 00:04.58 | BucWheat | the hardware will be pretty much the same since i'm ordering it at the same time in lots of 10+ |
| 00:04.59 | Kvant | CharlesBrown, how did you install it? |
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| 00:05.01 | mwilson | kjp: What launches the window manager? |
| 00:05.03 | BucWheat | any ideas? |
| 00:05.10 | BucWheat | is norton ghost my only option? |
| 00:05.16 | xelam | no |
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| 00:05.23 | kjp | mwilson right now nothing. I've cleaned out (#'d) everything but the mod map line |
| 00:05.23 | BucWheat | what do you all recommend? |
| 00:05.28 | mwilson | BucWheat: There are endless OSS Ghost clones. |
| 00:05.28 | xelam | you could dd or something? |
| 00:05.30 | phogg | BucWheat: you can try powerquest |
| 00:05.35 | dvs | Kvant: Probably through sid |
| 00:05.37 | cornSCOlio | is there a mirror package server? |
| 00:05.44 | mwilson | kjp: Move them both out of the way. |
| 00:05.51 | BucWheat | hrmm k |
| 00:05.53 | cornSCOlio | packages.debian.org is not there |
| 00:06.00 | BucWheat | i'll check out the OSS ghost clones |
| 00:06.07 | mwilson | !topicsmite cornSCOlio |
| 00:06.08 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cornSCOlio. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:06.09 | kjp | mwilson delete the entire file? |
| 00:06.17 | mwilson | Did I say delete? |
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| 00:06.44 | cornSCOlio | oh, i see |
| 00:06.49 | kjp | mwilson i moved .xsession I don't have an .xinit |
| 00:07.09 | ethics | only reason ghost is still the most popular is because of ghost serving and it's NT sid changing...OOS ones are fine for small scale....Ghost server & walker etc for enterprises |
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| 00:07.31 | kjp | mwilson, same thing |
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| 00:08.34 | mwilson | Ok, $ echo xterm > ~/.xsession |
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| 00:08.41 | mwilson | And try again. |
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| 00:09.03 | ethics | hey can someone clue me up on something?....i run a few different WMs....Ice,flux,kde,gnome etc....they all come up in session types....should enlightenment also show up in session types or is it a gui overlay. |
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| 00:09.27 | mwilson | ethics: Please don't invent your own technical terms. |
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| 00:09.41 | kjp | mwilson same thing |
| 00:09.48 | mwilson | ethics: No one but you knows what "GUi overlay" is supposed to mean. |
| 00:09.56 | ethics | mwilson: which term? |
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| 00:10.28 | mathieu | mwilson: maybe he means gui ? |
| 00:10.28 | ethics | oh as in run from inside other WMs....i can fire up enlightenment from inside another WM like ice |
| 00:10.32 | xam | mwilson: what?? you don't know what a GUI overlay is??? *ducks* |
| 00:10.43 | mwilson | ethics: Uh, no, you cannot. |
| 00:10.58 | mwilson | ethics: You can replace the running Wm with enlightenment, however. |
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| 00:11.23 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 00:11.47 | kjp | mwilson any other ideas? |
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| 00:11.57 | mwilson | kjp: If you just launch xinit, what does it do? |
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| 00:12.10 | ethics | mwilson: hmm ok maybe im in ice and i swap to enlightenment...should enlightenment come up as it's own session type in GDM/KDM? |
| 00:12.23 | BenDrake | I burned the ppc iso file, slid the cd into my imac, and It wont boot it... Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 00:12.46 | mwilson | ethics: The enlightenment package does not place a session file, no. Not that you can't just write one yourself if you feel the need to use crap like gdm. |
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| 00:13.08 | mwilson | BenDrake: Let MacOS boot. Can you read the disc? |
| 00:13.13 | Mardus | I have a threebutton standard MouseMan mouse, only that its main button went to Heaven. Where/how to reassign the roles of the other two functioning buttons? Or switch them from "right-handed" to "left-handed" mode? |
| 00:13.25 | BenDrake | nope |
| 00:13.29 | BenDrake | its not showing |
| 00:13.36 | Eclipser | mwilson, what's not crap then? I quite like gdm :< |
| 00:13.38 | xelam | coaster |
| 00:13.39 | mwilson | What'd you burn it with? |
| 00:13.44 | BucWheat | thanks all |
| 00:13.47 | ethics | mwilson: coolies i figured it was just something the package didn';t do |
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| 00:13.58 | xelam | nuffin wrong with gdm :) |
| 00:14.04 | Mardus | I was referring to using the mouse in X |
| 00:14.12 | gravity | coaster isn't in debian yet, probably for a few good reasons |
| 00:14.30 | kjp | mwilson, xinit dumps me back at the command prompt after showing the splash screen for half a second |
| 00:14.45 | ethics | gotta love a project named exactly what it's not meant to do.. |
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| 00:15.01 | Wyzard | kjp: I think you want your xsession to "exec xterm", not just run "xterm" :-) |
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| 00:15.13 | BenDrake | k3b |
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| 00:15.34 | mwilson | Wyzard: For this, it'd make no difference. |
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| 00:15.47 | kjp | Wyzard that makes no difference |
| 00:15.49 | mwilson | kjp: Ok, $ xinit xterm |
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| 00:15.51 | Wyzard | mwilson: oops, nm, you're right... it wouldn't background it by default |
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| 00:16.04 | Wyzard | brain fart :-) |
| 00:16.17 | kjp | mwilson same |
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| 00:16.38 | mwilson | Just running xinit produces the open: error? |
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| 00:17.14 | mwilson | Put the X log somewhere where we can see it. |
| 00:17.30 | WiFiTux | This is outrageous! How come Gnome doesn't have a Terminal Keyboard Shortcut! |
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| 00:17.46 | mwilson | WiFiTux: Because you haven't created one? |
| 00:18.03 | Mardus | mwilson: lol |
| 00:18.10 | gravity | WiFiTux: It's coming in the next version |
| 00:18.18 | gravity | metacity got patched |
| 00:18.26 | WiFiTux | mwilson, there are thing already there, and you don't have an "Add" button! |
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| 00:18.46 | kjp | mwilson actually, xinit causes no errors |
| 00:18.48 | WiFiTux | gravity, well, gnome10 will be in Sid in June. |
| 00:18.56 | chump | I use dpkg to configure, make, make install and keep track of a source package that is not available in a repository? |
| 00:19.04 | gravity | WiFiTux: Is it so bad that you have to have it right now? |
| 00:19.04 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: Metacity already supports programmable keybindings; there's just no UI to configure it yet |
| 00:19.13 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: You can use gconf-editor to set it up though |
| 00:19.15 | chump | sorry I forgot Can I use... |
| 00:19.26 | WiFiTux | gravity, nop. :) |
| 00:19.35 | WiFiTux | Wyzard, let me c. |
| 00:19.52 | kjp | mwilson, calling xinit by itself dumps me back , but causes no errors |
| 00:20.01 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands -- put a command string in one of those |
| 00:20.06 | WiFiTux | Wyzard, that look like the Windows Registry. :| |
| 00:20.17 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: /apps/metacity/global_keybindings -- then look at the "run_command_X" values there |
| 00:20.30 | chump | Is there something like checkinstall for making .deb from source? |
| 00:20.46 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: Yep, similar concept, except that GConf has some features that AFAIK the Registry doesn't, like callback notification of changes |
| 00:20.47 | gravity | I thought that was what checkinstall did |
| 00:21.06 | chump | Is there something better? |
| 00:21.21 | kjp | mwilson, the X log is free from anything out of the ordinary |
| 00:21.22 | chump | Im new to debian, but used checkinstall in rh |
| 00:21.37 | gravity | chump: I don't think so. Most apps are already in debian |
| 00:21.44 | gravity | chump: So the need for such a creature is minimal |
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| 00:22.37 | tuxillo | hi |
| 00:22.49 | gravity | chump: What app do you need? |
| 00:22.57 | tuxillo | is *.debian.org working? I cannot access that domain :___ |
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| 00:23.08 | gravity | tuxillo: /topic |
| 00:23.11 | distempr | Hi... probably the wrong chan to ask, but where can I see the "technical" differences between the GPL and the MPL? |
| 00:23.14 | WiFiTux | Wyzard, awesome!! Thanks buddy! |
| 00:23.22 | chump | JAGS, not the gnome somba |
| 00:23.23 | gravity | distempr: Just read the licenses |
| 00:23.40 | chump | I looked an could not find it with apt-get |
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| 00:24.01 | gravity | chump: You could also just make a package yourself by hand. It's pretty easy to do if you just want a quick hack job to test the program out |
| 00:24.18 | gravity | I hate that quit message. It's not Bono. It's what's her name |
| 00:24.24 | tuxillo | gravity: thank you, topic is splited here and I did not notice it :D |
| 00:24.30 | distempr | gravity: indeed, though I get lost throught some of the mumbo jumbo. I want to figure out if I want to contribute to a project exclusivly using the MPL. Though mozilla is considered "free" by the dfsg so the MPL can't be that bad. :) |
| 00:24.35 | chump | Thanks gravity, Ill give it a try :-) |
| 00:24.49 | gravity | distempr: The MPL isn't necessarily considered free |
| 00:25.03 | gravity | distempr: Mozilla is dual-licensed under the MPL and GPL so we've dodged the issue |
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| 00:25.16 | Mardus | Is gpm the place to change mouse options? |
| 00:25.20 | gravity | distempr: If Mozilla went to just MPL we might be in trouble |
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| 00:25.52 | distempr | gravity: ahh, I wasn't aware that it was dual-licensed. Hmm, meh... I guess, I'll have to read it closely. |
| 00:25.56 | omnistegan | anyone here good with GRUB? |
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| 00:26.34 | dvs | omnistegan: Write your question and see how good we are. |
| 00:27.03 | Mardus | dvs: I've written mine and nothing to be seen. |
| 00:27.11 | tuxillo | gravity: it might be some kind of update because it's strange to find packages.debian.org down! :D |
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| 00:27.29 | gravity | tuxillo: gluck is down. gluck == packages.debian.org |
| 00:27.38 | omnistegan | dvs, I need to get winxp/debian dual boot, windows is on hda5 and debian on hda1. |
| 00:27.45 | distempr | gravity: do you know where I can see the theoretical differences or a channel where I can take my queries? I can't find it on the gnu.org site. |
| 00:28.01 | tuxillo | gravity: I didn't know gluck term, thanks :) |
| 00:28.09 | Wyzard | hmm... apparently /apps/metacity/{global,window}_keybindings aren't the only places where keybindings are stored |
| 00:28.16 | gravity | distempr: Well... not really. You could just check the debian-legal mailing list archives |
| 00:28.21 | dvs | omnistegan: Those instructions are right in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file |
| 00:28.27 | Wyzard | There's a keybinding available for "lock screen", but it's not in either of those places |
| 00:28.27 | gravity | distempr: It's been discussed in great detail there in the past |
| 00:28.34 | caphuso | distempr: did you check the debian-legal archive? |
| 00:29.20 | zignig | can anyone reccomend a godd graphics card with hardware opengl that works under sarge ? |
| 00:29.28 | mwilson | kjp: xinit shouldn't dump you back, it should leave the X server running. If you launch the X server directly, it stays up? |
| 00:29.32 | cartel_ | zignig: nvidia |
| 00:29.47 | Mardus | distempr: See some wiki information on GPL and MPL. There's also a section on open source and Free Software Foundation site http://www.fsf.org has references somewhere discussing license differences in detail. |
| 00:30.04 | zignig | cartel_: source drivers if possible. |
| 00:30.21 | mwilson | zignig: That's easy... there isn't one. |
| 00:30.29 | kjp | mwilson i'll check |
| 00:30.30 | distempr | gravity: thanks! I will check those archives. |
| 00:30.34 | cartel_ | zignig: radeon 7000 |
| 00:30.36 | distempr | caphuso: no I haven't, will do now. |
| 00:30.41 | zignig | mwilson: really ? that sux |
| 00:30.44 | dvs | zignig: Radeon up to 9200 |
| 00:30.57 | cartel_ | zignig: 3dfx voodoo2,3,4,5 |
| 00:31.15 | kjp | mwilson, X by itself leaves me with the cursor on the grey hatch screen |
| 00:31.23 | distempr | Mardus: thanks much, I just found a random document stating the MPL is freer than the GPL and eliminates the "virus" effect of the GPL... hmmm |
| 00:31.45 | caphuso | distempr: that depends on your definition of "free" |
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| 00:32.15 | Mardus | So ppl, can you tell me yes or no if gpm is the right place to look for, when I wish to change mouse button properties for X and the rest of the system. |
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| 00:32.25 | caphuso | Mardus: no |
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| 00:32.50 | Mardus | caphuso: ok, one mouse button does not work. How do I reassign the other two? |
| 00:33.05 | Mardus | caphuso: Or where, rather? |
| 00:33.24 | caphuso | Mardus: xmodmap for X, damned if i knew what gpm uses |
| 00:33.42 | distempr | caphuso: Indeed, it does. |
| 00:33.48 | Mardus | caphuso: I only need for X. So, man xmodmap? |
| 00:34.02 | caphuso | Mardus: that'd be a starting point, yes |
| 00:34.07 | distempr | I just want to know that if I contribute a pile of code, it won't be yoinked and turned into a commercial project. |
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| 00:34.28 | Mardus | distempr: Ah, maybe GPL is the thing for you... |
| 00:34.31 | caphuso | Mardus: keep an eye on occurances of "pointer" |
| 00:35.03 | distempr | Mardus: yep, though the project I was thinking of joining is fully and only MPL :x. |
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| 00:35.21 | omnistegan | hey ya'll |
| 00:35.24 | omnistegan | i can't log into root |
| 00:35.33 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.35 | deadcat | telnet? |
| 00:35.39 | omnistegan | says setgid: Operation not permitted |
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| 00:36.09 | deadcat | omnistegan: clarify your question |
| 00:36.22 | omnistegan | when i try to log into root |
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| 00:36.32 | Mardus | caphuso: middle button must be first button, right button must keep same behaviour and then there must be a way to emulate middle button. |
| 00:36.32 | distempr | omnistegan: where are you experiencing this? "quoting deadcat's: console/gdm/ssh/telnet?" |
| 00:36.33 | deadcat | omnistegan: clarify your question!!! |
| 00:36.39 | omnistegan | and i enter the correct password it gives me that error |
| 00:36.45 | omnistegan | calm down |
| 00:36.51 | zorton | what is the nicer xserver to use nowdays? the one i've installed stock from sid seems to have a very slow refresh rate |
| 00:36.54 | deadcat | omnistegan: you calmn down |
| 00:36.55 | Mardus | omnistegan: Are you using your own computer? |
| 00:36.59 | omnistegan | yes i am |
| 00:37.14 | Mardus | omnistegan: Do you have some rescue disk or something? |
| 00:37.20 | distempr | omnistegan: using "which" login? |
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| 00:37.43 | p8m | zorton: it's not the xserver, it's probably your configuration |
| 00:37.48 | Mardus | omnistegan: Well, we can't tell if you are. Describe which way you are using to log in. |
| 00:37.52 | pipeline | zorton: The refresh rate is your broken configuration. |
| 00:37.54 | kjp | mwilson, still here? |
| 00:37.59 | omnistegan | OK, so I'm logged into my regualr user, I go into a terminal and type su than i enter my password then it reads: "setgid: Operation not permitted" |
| 00:38.08 | pipeline | zorton: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config |
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| 00:38.34 | omnistegan | i like boobs |
| 00:38.35 | deadcat | omnistegan: then try login via console. maybe your pam.d is disabling su |
| 00:38.41 | omnistegan | okay thank you |
| 00:38.43 | guorke | hi |
| 00:38.50 | deadcat | omnistegan: you want #sex, this is debian |
| 00:39.03 | omnistegan | lol this is my girlfriend typing |
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| 00:39.11 | p8m | :( |
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| 00:39.32 | deadcat | omnistegan: doesnt matter to us. its coming from your nick |
| 00:39.36 | Wuffi600 | hi |
| 00:39.39 | p8m | hi |
| 00:39.43 | mwilson | grrrr |
| 00:39.43 | dambodog | hi |
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| 00:39.46 | omnistegan | hey |
| 00:39.50 | jbAU | hi |
| 00:39.59 | MobyTurbo | I thought today is Monday, not Sunday. |
| 00:40.01 | omnistegan | how are you guys? |
| 00:40.04 | pipeline | omnistegan: lol girlfriend lol sex lol fucking nerd. |
| 00:40.05 | Mardus | zorton: Check your monitor's specs for how much refresh rate for which resolution is allowed. That should help, as you don't want your monitor harmed. |
| 00:40.07 | Wuffi600 | quite fine. |
| 00:40.14 | deadcat | MobyTurbo: you have a case of the monday? (= |
| 00:40.14 | zorton | well i'm on a THinkpad R30 |
| 00:40.15 | omnistegan | lol |
| 00:40.18 | omnistegan | nice one pipeline |
| 00:40.25 | MobyTurbo | !sing Sunday |
| 00:40.25 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 00:40.26 | pipeline | zorton: Then you only get one refresh rate anyway -- 60 Hz. |
| 00:40.29 | zorton | I think I jsut need to find someone who has tweaked their Xfree config for a R30 |
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| 00:40.41 | distempr | omfgator rotflmao omglol omg omg omg rofl1!!!1111!!! |
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| 00:40.48 | Mardus | zorton: Swell, I can use the exact same model, too |
| 00:40.48 | omnistegan | deadcat, It doesnt work in konsole either, same error |
| 00:41.00 | deadcat | omnistegan: CONSOLE. not KONSOLE |
| 00:41.10 | zorton | Mardus: you have an r30 as well? |
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| 00:41.36 | Mardus | zorton: No, but I am allowed to use it. My mother has it, but she lives in a different place. |
| 00:41.38 | distempr | MobyTurbo: sorry had to be done. |
| 00:41.44 | omnistegan | (girlfriend) what is the difference between Console and Konsole? |
| 00:41.46 | Witigonen | Quick question, I have a lot of files scattered over many directories that I would like to delete. I've found all of them using the locate command, but I'd rather not have to go through and delete every single one... What would be the easiest way to delete them? |
| 00:41.47 | zorton | ah |
| 00:42.01 | Wuffi600 | how can i get a list of all package-names that are available via apt-get at the moment? (I know i'll be a very long list) |
| 00:42.15 | deadcat | omnistegan: konsole is that crappy kde terminal thing. console is your ctrl+alt+f1,2,3,4,5,6 |
| 00:42.18 | distempr | Witigonen: find -name 'bleh'|xargs rm |
| 00:42.23 | caphuso | Wuffi600: apt-cache search . |
| 00:42.34 | Mardus | zorton: Well, is it the ThinPad monior or an auxiliary monitor that you want the refresh rate set for? |
| 00:42.35 | Arafangion | omnistegan, The real thing is the Console, everything else is an emulation. |
| 00:42.49 | pipeline | Arafangion: Actually, the console is also an emulation. |
| 00:42.49 | Wuffi600 | caphuso: yes, put how? |
| 00:42.57 | Arafangion | pipeline, Pedant. |
| 00:42.58 | pipeline | Arafangion: Why do you think the console is /dev/vtty1 ? |
| 00:43.00 | caphuso | Wuffi600: huh? |
| 00:43.00 | drini | find -name "bleh" -exec rm {} \; |
| 00:43.02 | pipeline | Arafangion: It's a VIRTUAL tty. |
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| 00:43.06 | Arafangion | pipeline, Pedant. |
| 00:43.06 | Mardus | pipeline: So what' the real thing? |
| 00:43.06 | Arafangion | pipeline, Pedant. |
| 00:43.09 | omnistegan | thank you guys i've always wanted to know that |
| 00:43.17 | omnistegan | i am just learning linux programs |
| 00:43.21 | Wuffi600 | caphuso: how can i get all package-names be output? |
| 00:43.23 | pipeline | Arafangion, Mardus: A vt100, you godless heathens. |
| 00:43.24 | p8m | anything that isn't a real teletype is an emulation :P |
| 00:43.28 | caphuso | Wuffi600: apt-cache search . |
| 00:43.37 | pipeline | Arafangion: Pedant? Pot -> Kettle -> Black. |
| 00:43.45 | caphuso | pipeline: what the fuck is /dev/vtty1? |
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| 00:43.48 | kjp | mwilson figured it out. was a permissions problem with /tmp |
| 00:43.55 | omnistegan | it even give the same error in console deadcat |
| 00:43.57 | pipeline | caphuso: A typo. |
| 00:43.58 | Wuffi600 | caphuso: oh thanx. i works. (i did not notice the '.'), thanx |
| 00:43.58 | Arafangion | pipeline, I suppose next you'll say that a Console can only be a direct serial connection to the Kernel runloop or something. |
| 00:44.09 | pipeline | Arafangion: Yup. |
| 00:44.11 | deadcat | omnistegan: loggin directly as root? |
| 00:44.31 | Witigonen | distempr: I get a rm: too few arguments. |
| 00:44.33 | deadcat | i dont have /dev/vtty1 only /dev/tty1 |
| 00:44.46 | omnistegan | deadcat, it tells me |
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| 00:45.01 | Mardus | vtty1 is virtual tty1, I guess. |
| 00:45.16 | Mardus | Zorton, you there still? |
| 00:45.19 | omnistegan | incorrect user |
| 00:45.41 | deadcat | omnistegan: who the f is IT? press contrl+alt+f1, type root, enter then your root passwd. |
| 00:45.53 | omnistegan | (girlfriend) i am wearing a really short skirt, can you please just tell him to unload linux let his parents work in windows and then we can do more exciting things |
| 00:46.09 | deadcat | !opt kick omnistegan |
| 00:46.16 | caphuso | omnistegan: stop that |
| 00:46.17 | p8m | haha |
| 00:46.22 | deadcat | !op kick omnistegan |
| 00:46.41 | dvs | deadcat: The term is "ops" |
| 00:46.47 | mwilson | With *tmp* ? |
| 00:46.50 | deadcat | dvs: |
| 00:46.52 | deadcat | (= |
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| 00:48.00 | Mardus | omnistegan (girlfriend): Do you think you can give your boyfriend (or girlfriend) good advice on how to login to root? |
| 00:48.24 | omnistegan | actually i am probably just as good as you on linux |
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| 00:48.35 | zorton | geeze, I should get the dumb award for that one |
| 00:48.38 | zorton | Mardus: yeah i'm still here |
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| 00:49.16 | tkinias | hey there... brain problem here: how do I manually run the mail configuration script on an already-installed Debian box? |
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| 00:49.24 | Mardus | zorton: Ok, so you have an auxiliary monitor connected to your ThinkPad or the LCD you wish to set the refresh rate for? |
| 00:49.44 | deadcat | tkinias: dpkg-reconfigure MTA? |
| 00:49.56 | Ether_Man_ | omnistegan: Now a question for you to prove just what you said.. Any reason why you havnt even fixed your Identd? |
| 00:50.06 | deadcat | split screen within screen is SO confusing. |
| 00:50.15 | tkinias | deadcat, that's what I thought, but no... it just returns without any effect |
| 00:50.20 | omnistegan | becuz i don't want to do computer crap i want to do other things |
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| 00:50.29 | deadcat | tkinias: you restart the daemon? |
| 00:50.47 | Mardus | zorton: And does your R30 also act the same way, when you plugin the headphones into the machine to listen to music, but the onboard speakers won't get silent? |
| 00:51.20 | tkinias | deadcat, I meant it doesn't actually run the configuration script at all (the one where it asks you about how you relay mail etc.) |
| 00:51.26 | jbAU | anyone use tripwire? has anyone had good experiences with it? |
| 00:51.39 | Mardus | jbAU: not me |
| 00:51.55 | deadcat | tkinias: it doesnt ask everyqyestion. for some settings you need to edit the config files manually. |
| 00:52.01 | deadcat | jbAU: no and no |
| 00:52.02 | jbAU | Mardus: no good experiences with it ? |
| 00:52.30 | Mardus | jbAU: No, I don't use it, I don't even know anything about it. |
| 00:52.48 | zignig | jbAU: samhain works well ( same kind of program ) |
| 00:52.57 | tkinias | deadcat, you know how when you install Debian part of the install process is configuring mail? That's the thing I'm trying to run manually... |
| 00:53.15 | Mardus | tkinias: Is it exim? |
| 00:53.19 | caphuso | tkinias: eximconfig or dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, depending on debian version |
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| 00:53.47 | BenDrake | for my imac, I burned the ppc iso. But the mac wont read the cd. |
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| 00:53.55 | Pablo_Esco | how can i tell w/out measuring the speeds whether my card is in 10 or 100 mode? |
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| 00:54.08 | BenDrake | 2 different types.. businesscard, and net |
| 00:54.10 | Mardus | BenDrake: Maybe because it's not set to search for a cd at boot |
| 00:54.13 | zorton | Mardus: haven't tried yet |
| 00:54.24 | deadcat | BenDrake: press C during startup. |
| 00:54.30 | deadcat | tkinias: which MTA you using? |
| 00:54.39 | Wyzard | Pablo_Esco: mii-diag... I think it's in the "nictools-pci" package |
| 00:54.42 | BenDrake | I did, I can hear the cdrom drive whirring |
| 00:54.47 | tkinias | deadcat, exim4 |
| 00:54.53 | Pablo_Esco | Wyzard: really? the only way? |
| 00:55.06 | deadcat | tkinias: . /etc/bash_completion; dpkg-reconfigure exim<tab><tab> |
| 00:55.41 | Wyzard | Pablo_Esco: There are probably other tools which can get that info from the card, but I don't know of any offhand |
| 00:55.47 | tkinias | caphuso, thx -- dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config is it. I was trying dpkg-reconfigure exim4 and getting nowhere... |
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| 00:56.59 | Mardus | zorton: Well, if you do, then I can tell you that the guaranteee (or best before date) has passed a few years ago and that the issue in my case was with a defective motherboard (because the jack is welded onto the mobo) and a new mobo costs US$850 and repairs in an official shop cost like $85. So mother gave up, because it was almost the price of a new ThinkPad in our area. |
| 00:57.00 | Witigonen | distempr: I did it by 'find -name 'filename' -exec rm {} \; |
| 00:57.19 | Wyzard | Mardus: $850 for a motherboard? |
| 00:57.39 | deadcat | Witigonen: -iname "*filename*" or -iname "filename" |
| 00:57.39 | Mardus | Wyzard: IBM ThinkPad motherboard, I think. |
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| 00:57.47 | Wyzard | Mardus: aha |
| 00:57.56 | Witigonen | deadcat: what's the difference? |
| 00:58.00 | zorton | Mardus: sucks |
| 00:58.04 | jamuraa | anyone know of a linux software program for data recovery from a bad hard drive? |
| 00:58.07 | Mardus | Wyzard: Not "i think", but for certain. |
| 00:58.08 | Wyzard | Mardus: Must be for a newer Thinkpad... my T20 was $345 for the whole thing :-) |
| 00:58.09 | zorton | Mardus: I just want an xserver that has decent proformance |
| 00:58.21 | deadcat | Witigonen: -iname ignore case, "*filename*" can be wildcard. else is exactly filename |
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| 00:58.26 | BenDrake | but i didnt work |
| 00:58.38 | zorton | didn't xfree just have a fork? I can't remeber the name of the guys that forked away |
| 00:58.45 | deadcat | xorg |
| 00:58.49 | Mardus | zorton: Yea well, R30 models may have slight differences, as specific model numbers have four figures. |
| 00:59.01 | Witigonen | deadcat: Ahh. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. But in this instance, I didn't want it to ignore case :) (I was about to say, "in this case..." until I realized how horrible a pun that would have been) |
| 00:59.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: i was gonna ask you something .. hrm .. |
| 00:59.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh yeah .. did you get it yet? |
| 00:59.17 | zorton | Mardus: yeah, I think it's just a matter of getting the right xserver for what i'm doing |
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| 00:59.20 | Mardus | zorton: So you haven't told us yet if it's your ThinkPad's own monitor or some other monitor attached to it? |
| 00:59.41 | deadcat | was security.debian.org down on sun or something? |
| 00:59.50 | zorton | Mardus: builtin LCD |
| 00:59.50 | genix_ | how can I correct this error when I run "make xconfig" i get "HOSTCXX scripts/kconfig/qconf.o /bin/sh: line 1: g++: command not found make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/qconf.o] Error 127 make: *** [xconfig] Error 2"? |
| 00:59.58 | Wyzard | abrotman: Nope, it hasn't arrived yet... if it's not here by tomorrow (one week from when I bought it, or at least when the payment went through) I'm going to email the seller |
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| 01:00.06 | caphuso | genix_: apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:00.13 | deadcat | genix_: you need the qt libs |
| 01:00.28 | genix_ | deadcat: I have libqt3-dev allready |
| 01:00.38 | deadcat | deadcat: what caphuso said ^^ then |
| 01:00.41 | zorton | deadcat: so x.org is the fork? |
| 01:00.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh .. not cool |
| 01:01.00 | Mardus | zorton: You could check the IBM homepage for monitor specs for yor ThinkPad. Be sure to enter the exact model number (found on the bottom of the computer) just in case. |
| 01:01.05 | Witigonen | Thanks all! |
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| 01:01.23 | abrotman | or use the machine number to get the specs .. that's what it's there for |
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| 01:01.47 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm not too worried... the seller had gobs of positive feedback so I doubt it's an intentional scam, and at worst, I'm out $20, big deal |
| 01:02.00 | abrotman | Wyzard: but .. that's like a case of beer! |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: or Spy vs Spy!!! |
| 01:02.13 | Wyzard | abrotman: lol... I was going to say a tank of gas |
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| 01:02.17 | deadcat | aint nobody gonna scam yoru $20. |
| 01:02.25 | abrotman | why not |
| 01:02.26 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:02.40 | Wyzard | not worth the negative feedback |
| 01:02.40 | tkinias | thanks for the help all |
| 01:02.53 | deadcat | $20 is nothing compare to what they scam with cashier's checks |
| 01:03.03 | Mardus | zorton: The XFree86 guys released XFree86 4.4 with a modified license that wasn't compatible with the GPL. So x.org people got the sources and the rest of XFree86 4.4 Releace Candidate 2, which had a compatible license and then forked it. |
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| 01:03.17 | Mardus | zorton: Yea, a machine number is also good. |
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| 01:03.22 | abrotman | deadcat: if you can scam 100 people out of $20 . instead of one out of $2000 ? |
| 01:03.25 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 01:03.34 | genix_ | caphuso: Thanks, now it's working. I have used make xconfig so many times before without build-essential installed |
| 01:03.35 | Mardus | * Release |
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| 01:03.44 | Wyzard | abrotman: yeah, and get 100 negative feedback that ensures nobody else ever buys things from you again :-) |
| 01:03.57 | pipeline | zorton: It's important to note that Debian XF86 4.3 has tons of backported material from 4.4 |
| 01:03.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: like ebay keeps track of all the people that sign up |
| 01:04.01 | madclicker | can someone tell me where do i specify "default gateway" in debian? |
| 01:04.11 | WolfCub | Hey guys I am trying to install the nVidia driver on testing, I'm using the official nvidia-installer from nVidia com and I'm upgrading from 6629. heres a shot of the glitchiness: http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3078/shot00000pz.jpg. |
| 01:04.12 | pipeline | zorton: Pretty much the only thing it doesn't have is the garbage required to do transparency |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | madclicker: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 01:04.18 | pipeline | madclicker: Usually, in /etc/interfaces -- there's a man page |
| 01:04.20 | dvs | madclicker: man 5 interfaces |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | pipeline: wrong file |
| 01:04.36 | WolfCub | And the installer fails saying couldn't compile kernel module nVidia.ko. |
| 01:04.40 | madclicker | thank you gebts |
| 01:04.43 | madclicker | gents |
| 01:04.44 | zorton | pipeline: gotcha, I guess i'm looking at a proformance perspective, in the past not all Xserver where created equaly |
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| 01:05.02 | chealer | WolfCub: ask #nvidia |
| 01:05.11 | chealer | !tell WolfCub about nvidia-installer |
| 01:05.13 | pipeline | zorton: That was never true. |
| 01:05.28 | WolfCub | Heres a link to my thread on extremetech so you can see what I've tried so far. |
| 01:05.30 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.33 | pipeline | zorton: Well, never more true than it is now -- a commercial X server might still get you better performance. |
| 01:05.37 | Mardus | zorton: Check the specs, tell (or ask a way to tell) which version of XFree86 (or X.org for that matter) you have and then people here can help. |
| 01:05.44 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.48 | Wyzard | pipeline: Maybe he means XFree86 3.x, where there was a separate binary for each type of card? |
| 01:05.49 | zorton | Mardus: sounds good, let me do taht first |
| 01:05.55 | dvs | !smack WolfCub |
| 01:06.00 | WolfCub | XF86 4.3 |
| 01:06.02 | abrotman | WolfCub: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 01:06.08 | WolfCub | What why you smackin me. |
| 01:06.21 | dvs | WolfCub: I'm going "easy" on you. ;-) |
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| 01:06.42 | madclicker | on mandrake there is a file for it " /etc/sysconfig/network" if i have pppoe with default gateway and eth1 with dhcp also configured with "default gateway" |
| 01:06.48 | Mardus | dvs: That's cruel. |
| 01:07.01 | WolfCub | I'm really lost do you guys have any ideas? |
| 01:07.06 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.15 | WolfCub | X starts fine though. |
| 01:07.19 | chealer | WolfCub: ask #nvidia, please |
| 01:07.19 | WolfCub | Just GL seems messed up. |
| 01:07.25 | WolfCub | Ok ill try there... |
| 01:07.28 | Mardus | WolfClub: Are these games linux specific? |
| 01:07.35 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Someone already told you to "/msg dpkg nvidia" |
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| 01:08.04 | WolfCub | Yeah the games are Linux specific. |
| 01:08.05 | Wyzard | WolfCub: That refers you to "/msg dpkg nvidia-howto" which has a link to a tutorial |
| 01:08.15 | WolfCub | Quake 3, Unreal Tournament 2004, Doom 3 |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | #quake ... #nvidia .. |
| 01:08.27 | WolfCub | Ok. |
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| 01:08.45 | abrotman | i wish there were a #linuxgaming or some crap |
| 01:08.51 | gcbirzan | Hm. |
| 01:08.54 | Mardus | Wolfclub: Ah, lucky man. Type /msg dpkg nvidia and dpkg will give you a hand in this. Or chekc #quake or #nvidia IRC rooms. |
| 01:09.04 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Basically, you install nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx, then use "make-kpkg" to build a package of nvidia's kernel module |
| 01:09.22 | gcbirzan | I can't figure this one out... |
| 01:09.47 | Wyzard | abrotman: They'd get swamped with people who know nothing about Linux and just want to play games without buying Windows |
| 01:10.02 | Mardus | zorton: While you are rummaging in IBM data, I'll go to the kitchen and have some tea... |
| 01:10.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: like we do? |
| 01:10.35 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 01:10.37 | gcbirzan | I'm trying to install gnome-panel and it's complaining about unmet dependencies, saying it depends on a list of packages which 'are not going to be installed'. |
| 01:10.46 | WolfCub | Can't I just use the regular nVidia installer or no? |
| 01:10.56 | madclicker | how do i specify ppp0 to be the default gateway? |
| 01:10.59 | gcbirzan | Yet, I have all of them installed, with versions older than what gnome-panel needs. |
| 01:11.01 | WolfCub | Maybe the nVidia debs I have installed are conflicting with the driver? |
| 01:11.06 | WolfCub | Should I remove them? |
| 01:11.07 | Mardus | Wyzard: Well, once upon a time some knowledgable person gets in and is then either revered as a god for giving great answers to n00b questions or is getting swamped with relevant or irrelevant qustiions. |
| 01:11.17 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: Then you need to upgrade them |
| 01:11.40 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: They're all the newest versions. |
| 01:11.50 | zorton | Mardus: hopefully it's some good tea :) |
| 01:11.50 | madclicker | interfaces (5) has nothing on pppoe |
| 01:11.53 | Mardus | gcbirzan: Or if you apparently have woody, you could search for a backport. Try at backport.org |
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| 01:11.57 | tarheelcox1 | anybody having trouble with the libflash-mozplugin? |
| 01:11.59 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: Didn't you just say they're older than what gnome-panel needs? |
| 01:12.00 | zorton | IBM has one of the nicer websites i've used |
| 01:12.14 | tarheelcox1 | my firefox hangs when I try to watch flash animation |
| 01:12.22 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: I did not. It says something like that. |
| 01:12.25 | gcbirzan | I don't have woody. I have Sid + experimental. |
| 01:12.41 | gcbirzan | And before you say 'it's not supported', I'm just trying to figure what's going on. |
| 01:12.43 | Mardus | zorton: Yea, they actually fixed a mistake once when I tried to download some driver for windows and it wasn't there. |
| 01:12.51 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: Then maybe the version of gnome-panel in experimental is broken |
| 01:12.58 | tarheelcox1 | unfortunately that means I have to remove the plugin if I want to do normal browsing, since many news sites (etc.) have ads that are flash |
| 01:13.05 | zorton | Mardus: weird, I would have called the police |
| 01:13.18 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: Nah, it's not that. It's another package that breaks things... |
| 01:13.20 | Mardus | zorton: hehehe |
| 01:13.54 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: If you don't understand apt's dependency reports, you probably shouldn't be using stuff from experimental... |
| 01:14.01 | Mardus | zorton: FYE/FYI, it's some Ceylon tea I bought at the mall. |
| 01:14.18 | Mardus | zorton: I just like their responsiveness. |
| 01:14.20 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: Yes, thank you. |
| 01:14.26 | Mardus | So bye for now. |
| 01:14.27 | madclicker | how do i setup ppp0 to be the default gateway? |
| 01:14.30 | zorton | Mardus: ever checkout Upton Teas? |
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| 01:14.48 | WolfCub | K I removed all the nVidia debs and still same problem. |
| 01:14.54 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: What version of gnome-panel are you trying to install, and what's one of the other packages (plus its version) that you're seeing as an unmet dependency? |
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| 01:15.01 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Why are you removing the driver? |
| 01:15.02 | zorton | well the system spec's page only gives operating specs |
| 01:15.08 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: I understand its reports, it's just that in this particular instance, its error message is painfully unhelpful. |
| 01:15.10 | WolfCub | And no one on #nvidia is helping so I got to rely on you guys :D |
| 01:15.15 | zorton | i've also found the brag sheet, but nothing that specificaly lists the monitor's specs |
| 01:15.20 | WolfCub | Cause I installed the official nVidia one. |
| 01:15.24 | WolfCub | From nVidia.com. |
| 01:15.35 | madclicker | anyone???? |
| 01:15.49 | Wyzard | WolfCub: which the dpkg factoid ("/msg dpkg nvidia") specifically recommends *against* :-) |
| 01:16.16 | WolfCub | Yeah but that's really hard on that site, isn't there an easier way? |
| 01:16.17 | Wyzard | WolfCub: The Debian nvidia packages are the same driver -- not something "unofficial" -- just packaged cleanly for Debian |
| 01:16.22 | gcbirzan | Trying to install gnome-panel version 2.8.3-1. |
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| 01:16.31 | abrotman | WolfCub: #nvidia |
| 01:16.35 | abrotman | holy cripes |
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| 01:16.41 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: Ok, that's the current one in sid |
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| 01:16.48 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.57 | abrotman | that doesn't make this the right place to ask |
| 01:17.00 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: so it's not trying to pull that from experimental, at least |
| 01:17.14 | amahbod | wolfclub whats the problem again? |
| 01:17.31 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Short story: "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source", and then read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian |
| 01:17.41 | abrotman | amahbod: short story: .. nvidia sucks |
| 01:17.42 | abrotman | bad |
| 01:18.01 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: http://wolfheart.ro/~gcbirzan/gnome/ |
| 01:18.08 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: btw, when apt says there's a dependency "but it is not going to be installed", it usually means that the dependency exists but can't be installed due to a conflict or one of its own dependencies being unmet |
| 01:18.10 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: have is what I have installed, wants is what it wants. |
| 01:18.22 | WolfCub | Heres the thread that describes the problem fully: http://discuss.extremetech.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=extremetech&msg=72046.1 |
| 01:18.41 | gcbirzan | And error is the exact error I get. |
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| 01:19.08 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: Hm. It could be that gnome-panel depends on something that conflicts with those. |
| 01:19.12 | WolfCub | Wyzard: do I have to remove the current nVidia driver I have installed? how do I do that? |
| 01:19.19 | Wyzard | WolfCub: That error message is so generic that it means next to nothing... read that readme file I mentioned a minute ago |
| 01:19.33 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: But I've no idea how to track that down short of looking at all the packages it depends on. |
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| 01:20.03 | Wyzard | WolfCub: As for removing what you just installed, I don't know... since it's not packaged, there's no automatic uninstallation unless it provides its own uninstaller, but when you install the package it'll at least (probably) overwrite most of the files |
| 01:20.30 | abrotman | oh i know .. ask #nvidia |
| 01:20.46 | steve33 | does anyone here use dvd shrink |
| 01:20.50 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: When apt tells me some dependency "is not going to be installed", what I usually do is apt-get install that package explicitly |
| 01:20.54 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:20.55 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: Then it tells me why it can't be installed |
| 01:21.02 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: I have all those packages installed. |
| 01:21.17 | zorton | boy, they have some nice stuff on teh R30 but nothing that really tells me what the LCD is capable of |
| 01:21.19 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Sounds like you don't have non-free in your sources.list |
| 01:21.35 | zorton | however, i've found the exact model of the video card, perhaps I should look that up on a hardware compatibility list somewhere? |
| 01:21.43 | steve33 | does anyone here know of a good way to compress the dvd after is has been backed up |
| 01:22.05 | Vyrus001 | ok i just apt-get installed gcc-3.4-mips, now how in the heck do i call it ? |
| 01:22.18 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.35 | Wyzard | steve33: DVD video is already compressed... you're not going to get it smaller unless you recompress it with something like MPEG4 |
| 01:22.36 | dvs | Vyrus001: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc |
| 01:22.47 | zorton | which server does sid use? X.org or xfree86? I"m assuming x.org's |
| 01:22.57 | dvs | zorton: xfree86 |
| 01:22.59 | amahbod | WolfCub, i wasnt paying attention, but were you trying to install nvidia drivers? |
| 01:23.02 | Wyzard | WolfCub: aha... you're running testing, but for some reason there's no nvidia-kernel-source package in testing |
| 01:23.08 | Vyrus001 | dvs|| just gcc |
| 01:23.15 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Go to http://packages.debian.org/ and grab the one from unstable |
| 01:23.16 | Vyrus001 | gcc-3.3 |
| 01:23.19 | steve33 | Wyzard: after I backup the dvd, it is like 8.5 gig |
| 01:23.36 | dvs | Vyrus001: Ok then gcc-3.4 should be what you're looking for. |
| 01:23.39 | zorton | interesting, if xfree86 ins't compat with GPL how does debian use it? or is the liscense still considered free enough for debian's use? |
| 01:23.49 | Wyzard | steve33: yep... DVDs are big |
| 01:24.09 | Wyzard | zorton: Only XFree86 4.4 is GPL-incompatible... Debian doesn't use that version |
| 01:24.10 | steve33 | Wyzard: I want to compress them to fit on 4.7gig dvd to view on home player |
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| 01:24.26 | Wyzard | steve33: Then you'll need to recompress, and probably also decrypt |
| 01:24.34 | Vyrus001 | dvs|| so i just run gcc-3.4 ??? |
| 01:24.37 | zorton | Wyzard: kay |
| 01:24.42 | steve33 | Wyzard: can you recommend or show me how |
| 01:24.44 | dvs | Vyrus001: Yes. |
| 01:24.54 | Vyrus001 | dvs and that will compile for mips ? |
| 01:24.54 | WolfCub | There I'm installing nvidia-kernel-source... |
| 01:25.00 | Wyzard | steve33: "mencoder" is a tool you might find useful for recompressing video, but #debian isn't an appropriate place to ask about the process in detail |
| 01:25.09 | dvs | Vyrus001: You have more than one architecture installed? |
| 01:25.10 | chealer | tarheelcox1: just don't use libflash-mozplugin |
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| 01:25.25 | steve33 | Wyzard: I have transcoder, will that work |
| 01:25.37 | Vyrus001 | dvs|| let me explain.. i want to compile somthing for a mips prossesor on my i486 |
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| 01:25.47 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: You don't have libbonoboui2-0 installed? |
| 01:25.53 | dvs | Vyrus001: Oh. I have no idea about that. |
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| 01:25.55 | Wyzard | steve33: Probably, dunno... I don't use it myself |
| 01:26.09 | steve33 | Wyzard: do you know of anyone who does know |
| 01:26.13 | Cheapy_ | How can I install X without any access to the 'net? I have the sarge-i386-2 as well as 1 here, but I can't seem to find the X itself on them; there are a ton of fonts and stuff, but no X. |
| 01:26.17 | thomas_adam | 5 |
| 01:26.17 | thomas_adam | //777/win 7 |
| 01:26.17 | thomas_adam | |
| 01:26.17 | thomas_adam | jkl |
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| 01:26.20 | WolfCub | Ok, I installed it now and I'm reading the read me... ill let you guys know how I make out. |
| 01:26.21 | Wyzard | steve33: No, I don't |
| 01:26.31 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: ii libbonoboui2-0 2.8.1-2 The Bonobo UI library |
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| 01:26.51 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: I'm confused why it's on your "wants" list, then |
| 01:27.09 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: What's the actual package or packages that it says are not going to be installed? |
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| 01:27.26 | chealer | Cheapy_: apt-get install x-window-core-system |
| 01:27.30 | zorton | perhaps the 2.6 kernel's framebuffer will run it a bit better, what do you think? |
| 01:27.37 | chealer | Cheapy_: apt-get install x-window-system-core instead |
| 01:27.50 | steve33 | does anyone here know how to compress dvds to play on my home player |
| 01:27.51 | pipeline | zorton: Framebuffer is evil. |
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| 01:28.01 | zorton | pipeline: why? |
| 01:28.01 | Cheapy_ | chealer, Let me try that |
| 01:28.20 | Wyzard | steve33: #debian is not an appropriate place to ask about that |
| 01:28.22 | pipeline | zorton: low code quality. Bizarre interactions with X. Serves no purpose. |
| 01:28.32 | zorton | pipeline: oh |
| 01:28.45 | steve33 | Wyzard: Do you know where is then |
| 01:28.50 | Cheapy_ | chealer, It says that it is not available. |
| 01:28.53 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: gnome-panel: http://wolfheart.ro/~gcbirzan/gnome/error |
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| 01:29.15 | Wyzard | steve33: There are lots of forums on the web -- doom9.org is one that I've heard of -- and possibly some other IRC channels, but I don't know of any by name |
| 01:29.23 | chealer | Cheapy_: you tried only the second command I said, right? |
| 01:29.34 | chealer | Cheapy_: because the first was wrong |
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| 01:29.45 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: "apt-get install libbonoboui2-0" and see what it says |
| 01:29.47 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: While I'm not sure about versions (they're all newer or equal to what's in Sid, and gnome is installable there), I have all of the packages gnome-panel depends on (except the ones that depend on it in turn) |
| 01:29.49 | Cheapy_ | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 01:30.01 | Cheapy_ | chealer, yeah. |
| 01:30.04 | chealer | Cheapy_: yes, I thought that would work |
| 01:30.11 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: Newest version. |
| 01:30.28 | steve33 | Wyzard: well, doom.org is shutdown, just checked. I understand that you dont have much experience with this proedure, I just dont want to duck hunt. Just tyring to knock this out |
| 01:30.38 | Wyzard | gcbirzan: no idea then... I wave my hand and blame it on your use of experimental :-) |
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| 01:31.13 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: Heh. Yeah. I've been doing that myself for a week or so. |
| 01:31.26 | Cheapy_ | chealer, it's quite odd. There's a section for x11 |
| 01:31.31 | soto | --- packages.debian.org ping statistics --- |
| 01:31.31 | soto | 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 01:31.41 | soto | ?? |
| 01:31.43 | Cheapy_ | chealer, in the dselect list. |
| 01:31.48 | gcbirzan | soto: gluck.d.o is down. |
| 01:31.55 | chealer | Cheapy_: I'm pretty sure that package is in the 2 sarge CDs I downloaded |
| 01:31.57 | soto | mmm |
| 01:32.02 | soto | thanks |
| 01:32.05 | mess | can anyone help ... i need to create a rescue/boot floppy from a bootable cd?? |
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| 01:32.21 | Cheapy_ | chealer, which two did you download? I may need to get disc 3 |
| 01:32.21 | gcbirzan | soto: http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=gluck |
| 01:32.22 | dvs | mess: a Debian cd? |
| 01:32.39 | gcbirzan | Wyzard: Anyway, thanks :-) |
| 01:32.46 | chealer | Cheapy_: 1 and 2, of course. are you sure that dpkg/APT knows well about your two CDs? |
| 01:33.16 | mess | yes dvs... |
| 01:33.18 | Cheapy_ | chealer, when I ran base-configure for the first time, it wouldn't let me select any packages, it would just say that I had 0 packages selected, and that it installed all 0. |
| 01:33.31 | soto | raid troubles, i see |
| 01:33.35 | WolfCub | Ok guys it mostly worked, I just have one error. |
| 01:33.38 | mess | BDI-EMC 4.2 |
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| 01:33.44 | dvs | mess: There should be a rescue option at the boot: prompt. Hit F2 for the exact option |
| 01:33.51 | chealer | Cheapy_: hum try apt-cdrom. BTW it's base-config |
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| 01:34.13 | WolfCub | Here it is: Debian:/usr/src# dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-2.6.8_1.0.7174-1+10.00.Custom_i386.Debian Selecting previously deselected package nvidia-kernel-2.6.8. (Reading database ... 94503 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking nvidia-kernel-2.6.8 (from nvidia-kernel-2.6.8_1.0.7174-1+10.00.Custom_i386.deb) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nvidia-kernel-2.6.8: nvidia-kernel-2.6.8 depends on nvidia-kernel-common (>= 1.0.7174); |
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| 01:34.22 | WolfCub | And I'm not sure what to do. |
| 01:34.25 | Cheapy_ | chealer, oh, thanks. I knew it was something like that. |
| 01:34.27 | WolfCub | Any ideas? |
| 01:34.41 | mess | hmm how about trading GRUB for lilo?? |
| 01:34.42 | amahbod | um |
| 01:34.50 | chealer | WolfCub: did you install nvidia-kernel-common? |
| 01:34.55 | amahbod | lol |
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| 01:35.03 | zorton | well anyway, nearest I can see i've got everything in there that I should |
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| 01:35.12 | zorton | i'll bump the kernel up to 2.6 and see how that does |
| 01:35.19 | z36ra | howdy folks |
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| 01:35.41 | dvs | zorton: Just don't remove the old one |
| 01:35.45 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Install nvidia-kernel-common... you'll probably need to grab that from unstable too, since it's currently missing from testing |
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| 01:35.54 | WolfCub | Yeah I got nvidia-kernel-common. |
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| 01:36.05 | chealer | WolfCub: what version? do you have sid sources? |
| 01:36.05 | cafuego | !gluck problem |
| 01:36.05 | Cheapy_ | chealer, alright, I did ran the command...now what? |
| 01:36.12 | zorton | dvs: heh, no kidding |
| 01:36.18 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.19 | cafuego | Is that retarded bot dead too? |
| 01:36.21 | chealer | Cheapy_: retry the apt-get install |
| 01:36.25 | mess | iv installed this 4.2BDI and it wont boot to the system says grub stage 1.5... then error 15 |
| 01:36.27 | xfupax | hi, can anyone help me with a netinst of sarge |
| 01:36.33 | zorton | is there a page describing how to get the 2.6 kernel onto sid or is everything in place already? |
| 01:36.34 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.40 | chealer | WolfCub: so the 1.0.7174? |
| 01:36.43 | cartel_ | is gluck also p.d.o? |
| 01:36.50 | WolfCub | Yes chealer. |
| 01:36.50 | cafuego | cartel_: yes |
| 01:36.54 | WolfCub | That's the one. |
| 01:36.59 | cartel_ | lame |
| 01:37.08 | dvs | zorton: You need the module-init-tools package |
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| 01:37.51 | zorton | dvs: thanks |
| 01:37.57 | chealer | WolfCub: could you paste dpkg -l nvidia* to #flood? |
| 01:38.07 | Cheapy_ | chealer, it says that 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed...etc |
| 01:38.15 | zorton | how about a development meta package? or do I have to grab each package by hand? |
| 01:38.28 | dvs | !b-i zorton |
| 01:38.37 | dvs | !tell zorton bout b-i |
| 01:38.48 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:38.57 | chealer | d-i? |
| 01:39.13 | stew | b-e? |
| 01:39.15 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.22 | WolfCub | In #flood. |
| 01:39.27 | cartel_ | wow gluck sounds like an expensive box |
| 01:39.29 | dvs | !tell zorton about b-e |
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| 01:39.44 | dvs | stew: Thanks |
| 01:39.48 | chealer | WolfCub: that shows you don't have nvidia-kernel-common 1.0.7174 |
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| 01:39.59 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.00 | cartel_ | top level cvs server... ouch |
| 01:40.13 | chealer | WolfCub: you need to upgrade it |
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| 01:40.20 | jbAU | how does one remount a drive that is in read-only mode in read-write mode? |
| 01:40.37 | WolfCub | It says its the newest version. |
| 01:40.52 | chealer | WolfCub: apt-get -t unstable install nvidia-kernel-common |
| 01:41.12 | WolfCub | Ok ill try that. |
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| 01:41.31 | WolfCub | Still says newest version. |
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| 01:41.42 | WolfCub | 7167 is the newest version according to this... |
| 01:41.47 | WolfCub | That can't be right. |
| 01:42.17 | chealer | WolfCub: not for sid. make sure your sid sources are setup right |
| 01:42.33 | WolfCub | Want me to paste my sources in #flood? |
| 01:42.37 | chealer | ok |
| 01:42.50 | chealer | the lines you think provide your sid sources |
| 01:43.01 | cafuego | WolfCub: Nvidia have released 7174, but it may not have been packaged yet. |
| 01:43.03 | WolfCub | There they are. |
| 01:43.23 | chealer | WolfCub: you're missing an unstable contrib source |
| 01:43.33 | WolfCub | Ok. |
| 01:43.37 | WolfCub | Ill change that then. |
| 01:43.50 | cafuego | Fucking bastards |
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| 01:44.10 | WolfCub | There I got 7174 let me retry... |
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| 01:44.28 | WolfCub | Ok it installed! |
| 01:44.41 | WolfCub | I'm going to restart X wish me luck! |
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| 01:45.04 | Wyzard | chealer: Adding an unstable source just to get one package is a bad idea... |
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| 01:45.44 | Wyzard | chealer: better to just grab the .deb from http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 01:45.46 | chealer | Wyzard: possibly |
| 01:45.54 | jbAU | hmm, i have an lvm drive that is write-protected, how do i make i writeable? |
| 01:46.07 | Wyzard | jbAU: man lvchange |
| 01:46.20 | chealer | Wyzard: I just hope he first set his unstable sources according to the quick sid/sarge mix factoid |
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| 01:46.32 | catskul | . when compiling a kernel the debian way... is there some dep mod stuff that needs to be done... |
| 01:46.37 | chealer | Wyzard: which mentions APT's default-release |
| 01:46.41 | Wyzard | chealer: He's a beginner... you shouldn't have told him to add an unstable source in the first place |
| 01:46.42 | catskul | I seem to have done something wrong |
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| 01:46.53 | chealer | Wyzard: I didn't tell him to do that |
| 01:46.59 | dvs | catskul: What message are you getting? |
| 01:47.00 | Wyzard | catskul: make-kpkg does the dep thing for you |
| 01:47.08 | jbAU | Wyzard: thanks... strange though because the volume says: LV Write Access read/write |
| 01:47.13 | Wyzard | <chealer> WolfCub: you're missing an unstable contrib source |
| 01:47.29 | chealer | Wyzard: and he had already main and non-free |
| 01:47.31 | catskul | I compiled the debian way, installed the new kernel image, and now I have modules that wont install after a reboot unless I run depmod before attempting to install them |
| 01:47.44 | Wyzard | jbAU: There's a difference between a LV being read-only, and a filesystem (which might happen to reside in the LV) being mounted read-only |
| 01:47.56 | Wyzard | chealer: interesting :-/ |
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| 01:49.46 | slugbug | Where exactly does X store its modelines? I can't seem to find where they're coming from. |
| 01:49.53 | samuel | hello all |
| 01:50.23 | Wyzard | slugbug: XFree86 has all the VESA standard modes built-in, so it doesn't need modelines explicitly written for them |
| 01:50.29 | samuel | apt tell me about trouble |
| 01:50.31 | slugbug | ah |
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| 01:50.48 | abrotman | Phated: are you still mad at me? |
| 01:50.58 | slugbug | I'm trying to get it to run the 8514A interlace 1024x768 mode on an old 14" colour monitor right here, but no luck |
| 01:51.08 | klinkz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.14 | WolfCub | Ok I'm still having the graphical glitches, how do I check and see if the driver is installed right? |
| 01:51.24 | abrotman | klinkz: #debian-kde |
| 01:51.37 | slugbug | I write the modeline in the Monitor section, but it doesn't appear to detect it |
| 01:51.37 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Does your XF86Config use "nvidia" as the driver name, not "nv" ? |
| 01:51.51 | chealer | WolfCub: if it's half-working, we can't help you, only #nvidia can |
| 01:52.04 | slugbug | when I tell it to use my custom mode, it says "no mode by that name found" in the log |
| 01:52.07 | chealer | WolfCub: debian only facilitates the installation |
| 01:52.07 | samuel | anyone here had any luck compiling the atheros chipset (madwifi.sourceforge) kernel drivers? |
| 01:52.10 | WolfCub | Yes its "nvidia" |
| 01:52.27 | WolfCub | Can't I just remove all the driver stuff and start over? |
| 01:52.31 | WolfCub | How do I do that? |
| 01:52.37 | abrotman | #nvidia |
| 01:52.50 | abrotman | i can say it a few more times |
| 01:53.31 | slugbug | Modelines ARE placed in the monitor section, right? |
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| 01:53.59 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Without a description of what the "graphical glitches" are, nobody can help you... and #nvidia is a better place to ask, since it does sound like you have the driver installed properly now |
| 01:54.17 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.21 | catskul | Wyzard, dvs, any thoughts ? |
| 01:54.41 | Wyzard | dvs? |
| 01:54.47 | WolfCub | Wyzard: http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3078/shot00000pz.jpg |
| 01:54.52 | Wyzard | oh, nm, that's a user |
| 01:55.10 | dvs | Wyzard: I've never had that problem. |
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| 01:55.12 | WolfCub | That's a shot of Quake 3 |
| 01:55.21 | dvs | catskul: Are you installing custom modules? |
| 01:55.33 | abrotman | yay .. #nvidia |
| 01:55.41 | Wyzard | WolfCub: odd indeed... I played Q3 just last night, with no problems |
| 01:55.43 | catskul | dvs, all modules are part of the kernel tar ball that I downloaded |
| 01:55.45 | WolfCub | Dude I'm in #nvidia too ok. |
| 01:56.04 | Sirgado | Does anybody uses webcam driver spca5xx? I've installed it correctly, but it seems to ge freezed when i want to see video from camera... |
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| 01:56.16 | WolfCub | Probably cause my driver is messed up. |
| 01:56.19 | dvs | catskul: I have no clue. Sorry |
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| 01:56.21 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.26 | WolfCub | I'm tryin. |
| 01:56.28 | catskul | dvs, im using a kernel.org tarball instead of a debian tarball as it has "non free" drivers included |
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| 01:57.00 | WolfCub | Can't you just tell me what all files the nVidia driver installs and ill go delete them all? |
| 01:57.10 | Wyzard | WolfCub: "messed up" is a very vague term... the fact that X starts at all using the "nvidia" driver means that both nvidia-glx and the kernel module are properly installed |
| 01:57.21 | cafuego | Wyzard: *you* ran it, *you* clean it up <heh> |
| 01:57.28 | WolfCub | Well does that look properly installed :D |
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| 01:57.47 | juxhi | how do i boot to debian using a cd ? |
| 01:57.51 | WolfCub | Maybe my video card is screwed up, should I order a replacement? |
| 01:57.52 | dvs | catskul: So do I |
| 01:57.57 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Deleting arbitrary files (especially ones that belong to an installed package, rather than properly uninstalling the package) is a good way to make things worse |
| 01:58.09 | Routed | is Debian not packaging kernel 2.4 source anymore? |
| 01:58.20 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.24 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Try running the game in another OS... that'll tell you whether the video card is defective |
| 01:58.26 | cafuego | WolfCub: last time I thought my video card had issues, my PSU blew up and fused the mainboard. (The gfx card still works fine). |
| 01:58.31 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.36 | Wyzard | WolfCub: apt-get remove |
| 01:58.48 | zoid | quick question, i have imlib2 installed from cvs so i can keep it up to date, but the enlightenment package wants to install it, how can i override this since i already know it's installed? |
| 01:59.18 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.19 | cafuego | zoid: dpkg -i --force-depends enlightenment-foo.deb |
| 01:59.32 | WolfCub | And I didn't even install it cause I didn't know how at the time, a friend did it for me. |
| 01:59.36 | zoid | cafuego: cool, thanks |
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| 01:59.48 | Sirgado | WolfClub |
| 01:59.51 | WolfCub | Yeah? |
| 01:59.58 | Sirgado | are you having problems with nvidia driver? |
| 02:00.00 | WolfCub | Yeah. |
| 02:00.09 | chealer | ugh |
| 02:00.14 | Sirgado | installation is done by the installing script |
| 02:00.14 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Like I said earlier, apt can't automatically remove stuff that wasn't put there by a package... that's why it's good to avoid installing non-packaged software when possible |
| 02:00.22 | WolfCub | Ok. |
| 02:00.27 | Sirgado | it comes with the nvidia release |
| 02:00.29 | WolfCub | Well I still need to remove it. |
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| 02:00.39 | WolfCub | NVidia release? |
| 02:00.43 | cafuego | zoid: A better solution is to 'apt-get source imlib2', replace the source, build a custom package. |
| 02:00.53 | Sirgado | maybe this script has uninstalling options |
| 02:00.57 | Wyzard | WolfCub: The driver's readme might have a list of files that it creates... uninstall your debs, manually delete any leftover files from when you used the nvidia script, then reinstall the debs |
| 02:01.15 | WolfCub | Ok ill try to figure out how to do all that. |
| 02:01.29 | Sirgado | nvidia wroted the driver, so they released it |
| 02:01.30 | fevel | do you guys think that te distros are ready for desktop use |
| 02:01.37 | juxhi | how can i find out what parameters do i put in grub.conf so it can also boot debian? |
| 02:01.43 | zoid | cafuego: replace the source with what, cvs? |
| 02:01.45 | fevel | especially debian |
| 02:01.50 | cafuego | zoid: Yep |
| 02:02.01 | cafuego | zoid: .. and edit debian/changelog to give it a new version. |
| 02:02.10 | Wyzard | Sirgado: You missed it, but we went through this earlier... using the Debian nvidia packages is highly preferable over using nvidia's install script |
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| 02:02.52 | Jacobo221 | is there any parameter to pass to diff so that it uses the same path for both the old and new file/s ? |
| 02:02.56 | catskul | it seems as if modules.deb is being incorrectly generated at each boot |
| 02:03.05 | Sirgado | ok, sorry.. i didn't know there was a debian package por nvidia drivers |
| 02:03.23 | samuel | after installing modules for the kernel is it a good idea to reboot or is insmod fine |
| 02:03.25 | samuel | ? |
| 02:03.39 | Sirgado | are nvidia drivers dangerous in anyway? |
| 02:04.00 | Wyzard | Sirgado: dangerous? |
| 02:04.06 | WolfCub | There I just removed the nVidia driver. |
| 02:04.13 | WolfCub | Now I'm going to reinstall the new one. |
| 02:04.20 | WolfCub | That wasn't so hard :) |
| 02:04.29 | Wyzard | WolfCub: "the new one" ? |
| 02:04.34 | WolfCub | 7174 |
| 02:04.39 | Sirgado | becasue you said deb packages were highly prefereables.... |
| 02:04.44 | WolfCub | The one from unstable. |
| 02:04.53 | chealer | Sirgado: directhex say they can be dangerous |
| 02:04.55 | Wyzard | I thought that's what you just had installed |
| 02:05.06 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.10 | WolfCub | But I got no where. |
| 02:05.22 | Sirgado | chealer, doyou know were can i read something about that? |
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| 02:05.30 | chealer | Sirgado: no |
| 02:05.32 | WolfCub | There I'm going to restart x be right back. |
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| 02:05.38 | Wyzard | Sirgado: Using packaged software is preferable because then it can be automatically upgraded and removed, and any Debian-specific configuration it needs has already been done by the packge maintainer |
| 02:06.06 | rene_ | any ETA on packages.d.o? Is there an alternative to packages.d.o? |
| 02:06.13 | Sirgado | ok, very clear |
| 02:06.20 | caspercba | hello dpkg |
| 02:06.57 | chealer | rene_: try /msg dpkg find foopkg |
| 02:07.03 | chealer | !gluck problem |
| 02:07.07 | chealer | !gluck problems |
| 02:07.07 | dpkg | [gluck problems] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00006.html |
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| 02:07.16 | rene_ | cheers! |
| 02:07.39 | WolfCub | Wow that did it, now I have no driver at all I'm back on vesa at 1024x768 :/ |
| 02:08.06 | WolfCub | I'm going to try to do this again... |
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| 02:09.03 | jbAU | Sounds like it gluck'd up |
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| 02:09.16 | darkphoenix939 | i need help installing debian when it comes to network install the only option it gives me is if i want DHCP or not and i have ADSL ppoe |
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| 02:09.24 | jbAU | Honestly hardware raid controllers, you're playing with the devil there |
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| 02:09.58 | WolfCub | Ok now I have no driver at all according to the nVidia installer and I removed all the debs and all. |
| 02:10.12 | WolfCub | So, how do I install it from apt-get again? |
| 02:10.19 | darkphoenix939 | the iso that i burnt is sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:10.24 | chealer | !tell WolfCub about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:10.39 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Reinstall the nvidia-kernel .deb file you built, and then apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 02:10.39 | darkphoenix939 | can anyone help me |
| 02:10.59 | markybob | in sid on a 386, apt-get source -b xscreensaver fails with make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 after it's done compiling and it's trying to roll the deb. anyone know what gives? bts has nothing on this |
| 02:11.12 | chealer | darkphoenix939: PPPOE is not supported for netinsts |
| 02:11.23 | pipeline | chealer: It's not? |
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| 02:11.41 | chealer | pipeline: not what I remember of RC2 at least |
| 02:11.46 | darkphoenix939 | oh |
| 02:11.47 | darkphoenix939 | ok |
| 02:11.47 | chealer | pipeline: were there developments? |
| 02:11.52 | WolfCub | Ok thanks for the one liner I'm trying that. |
| 02:11.53 | rene_ | hrrm dpkg wont tell me what version of iptables is currently in sarge |
| 02:12.10 | rene_ | does anyone know if iptables 1.2.11-8 is currently in sarge? |
| 02:12.19 | chealer | !find iptables sarge |
| 02:12.21 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'iptables' (3): iptables ;; iptables-dev ;; libiptables-ipv4-ipqueue-perl. |
| 02:12.31 | stew | !info iptables sarge |
| 02:12.33 | chealer | rene_: yes |
| 02:12.34 | dpkg | iptables: (Linux kernel 2.4+ iptables administration tools), section net, is important. Version: 1.2.11-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 372 kB, Installed size: 1240 kB |
| 02:12.35 | juxhi | what is the initrd parameter for debian? |
| 02:12.43 | rene_ | oh, thats what i need stew. thanks! |
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| 02:12.55 | chealer | sorry for the bad advice rene_ |
| 02:12.56 | pipeline | chealer, darkphoenix939: I know the netinst has the stuff you need to use PPPoE, but I wouldn't know how to us eit |
| 02:13.14 | rene_ | thanks again guys |
| 02:13.20 | WolfCub | Ok I'm going to see if the one liner worked. |
| 02:13.21 | WolfCub | Be right back. |
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| 02:13.27 | yxa | is there a way to use the command line to generate x random y digit numbers? |
| 02:13.33 | travisat | darkphoenix939: have you thought about buying a router? |
| 02:13.35 | chealer | darkphoenix939: you'll probably get some errors, then apt-get install pppoeconf, use it, and then run tasksel |
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| 02:14.13 | yxa | or perhaps /dev/random |
| 02:14.25 | darkphoenix939 | no need for a router yet only 1 compuuter |
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| 02:15.33 | darkphoenix939 | ok i will do that |
| 02:15.33 | darkphoenix939 | ty |
| 02:15.39 | darkphoenix939 | bye |
| 02:16.13 | chealer | damn there's a FAQ about PPPoE netinsts at http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ |
| 02:17.56 | WiFiTux | chealer, awesome. Now make a factoid about it. |
| 02:18.17 | chealer | WiFiTux: there are already 3 factoids but they point to people.d.o which is currently down |
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| 02:18.38 | chealer | last time I checked though I think that info moved |
| 02:19.04 | WiFiTux | chealer, an extra one won't harm. |
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| 02:19.53 | resiak | !useless factoids |
| 02:19.53 | dpkg | methinks useless factoids is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 02:20.09 | dvs | and the problem is...? |
| 02:20.12 | darkcmd | lol |
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| 02:20.59 | zignig | resiak: quick create more useless factoids ! ;P |
| 02:21.10 | chealer | hehe :) |
| 02:21.10 | chealer | !sarge pppoe netinst is see http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ question 26 |
| 02:21.11 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
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| 02:21.46 | SexyKen | I have a list of commands that I'd like to turn into a bash script...can anyone help me with this? |
| 02:22.21 | resiak | Wyzard: \is |
| 02:22.24 | markybob | someone feel like confirming a bug for me in sid? apt-get source -b xscreensaver fails with binary-arch error on a 386? |
| 02:22.26 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:22.27 | chealer | Wyzard: you can experiment in private :) |
| 02:22.37 | resiak | Wyzard: Run a blootbot. It's fun. |
| 02:22.43 | WolfCub | Ok the "nvidia" driver isn't working, I'm using vesa to get into X |
| 02:22.54 | Wyzard | WolfCub: Define "isn't working" |
| 02:22.56 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.02 | WolfCub | X wont start. |
| 02:23.04 | chealer | !no screens found |
| 02:23.04 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 02:23.12 | WolfCub | Ok. |
| 02:23.38 | pipeline | yxa: /dev/random won't output ascii |
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| 02:24.20 | lin_nicks | when is kde 3.4 going into unstable? |
| 02:24.31 | WolfCub | I'm looking in the log file for xfree86 what should I look for? |
| 02:24.41 | chealer | lin_nicks: after sarge is stable, or ask #debian-kde |
| 02:24.43 | WolfCub | There's only one (EE) message and its not about the driver. |
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| 02:24.55 | resiak | WolfCub: What's it about? |
| 02:24.55 | chealer | WolfCub: what is it? |
| 02:25.06 | resiak | lin_nicks: Probably not until after Sarge releases. |
| 02:25.16 | WolfCub | Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 02:25.24 | WolfCub | That's where (EE) is. |
| 02:25.30 | chealer | hehe |
| 02:25.35 | dvs | WolfCub: It must be after that |
| 02:25.35 | WolfCub | Want me to restart x and see if anything changes? |
| 02:25.43 | Wyzard | WolfCub: No lines *beginning* with "(EE)" ? |
| 02:25.48 | WolfCub | No. |
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| 02:26.10 | chealer | WolfCub: then check for WW |
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| 02:26.15 | StR_gt | hi there.. |
| 02:26.17 | StR_gt | has anyone tried privoxy? |
| 02:26.49 | mwilson | !anyone |
| 02:26.49 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 02:26.55 | WolfCub | (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) |
| 02:27.04 | StR_gt | sorry |
| 02:27.09 | WolfCub | (WW) VESA(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum. |
| 02:27.09 | dvs | WolfCub: No big deal |
| 02:27.18 | lin_nicks | has there been a date set for a release? (sarge) |
| 02:27.25 | resiak | !topicsmite lin_nicks |
| 02:27.25 | WolfCub | And there are a few about fonts too. |
| 02:27.26 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon lin_nicks. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:27.37 | resiak | Wtf.... where did it go? |
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| 02:27.42 | resiak | !tell lin_nicks -about wwsr |
| 02:27.48 | Wyzard | WolfCub: That looks like it's using the VESA driver... are you sure you're actually using "nvidia" in your X config? |
| 02:28.02 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.06 | mwilson | Ok, if he's going to claim he's trying to run the nvidia driver, where'd the VESA message come from? |
| 02:28.09 | StR_gt | i'm trying to use privoxy, and I want to know it it is posible to full deleate the banners? |
| 02:28.12 | WolfCub | Want me to reboot with nVidia driver? |
| 02:28.19 | resiak | s/reboot/restart X/ |
| 02:28.29 | ternational | Hello |
| 02:28.35 | Wyzard | WolfCub: You have to be using the nvidia driver to get errors from the nvidia driver... |
| 02:28.35 | mwilson | WolfCub: Geee... only if you actually want to debug the nvidia driver. |
| 02:28.43 | WolfCub | Ok ill reboot. |
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| 02:28.52 | mwilson | Who asked him to reboot? |
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| 02:29.31 | Wyzard | mwilson: People often misuse the word "reboot"... I think he's just restarting X |
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| 02:29.42 | markybob | in sid on a 386, apt-get source -b xscreensaver fails with make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 after it's done compiling and it's trying to roll the deb. anyone know what gives? bts has nothing on this |
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| 02:31.24 | resiak | markybob: That's not the error that it fails with. Look up... |
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| 02:32.15 | darkcmd | hmm.. I wish the idesk in sarge was updated :( |
| 02:32.24 | mwilson | Wyzard: Still think he's just restarting X? |
| 02:32.27 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 02:32.55 | chealer | mwilson: maybe he's just running KDE :-P |
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| 02:33.06 | mwilson | darkcmd: Uh, the idesk in Sarge and the one in Sid are the same version. |
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| 02:33.37 | [omega] | can some one help me with some errors Im getting with post-installation debian |
| 02:33.52 | WolfCub | Ahah! now were gettin some where! |
| 02:33.54 | Wyzard | [omega]: Not unless you say what the errors are... |
| 02:33.59 | WolfCub | Check this error out: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 02:34.03 | [omega] | when I try to install the kde core |
| 02:34.07 | Wyzard | WolfCub: You know, you don't need to reboot your whole computer just to restart X |
| 02:34.07 | [omega] | I get erros in cron |
| 02:34.14 | cafuego | WolfCub: You need to install nvidia-glx then |
| 02:34.14 | chealer | WolfCub: are you sure you have nvidia-glx installed? |
| 02:34.16 | WolfCub | Lol I didn't know that :) |
| 02:34.33 | WolfCub | Whoops I didn't have it sorry. |
| 02:34.39 | WolfCub | Must have forgot it :/ |
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| 02:34.49 | darkcmd | seems like a lot of hassle just to get nvidia drivers to work |
| 02:34.50 | [omega] | it says: |
| 02:34.51 | resiak | !tell WolfCub -about nvidia howto |
| 02:34.57 | WolfCub | Wasn't it in the one liner? |
| 02:34.58 | WolfCub | Lol. |
| 02:34.59 | resiak | darkcmd: It's really easy if you follow the instructions. |
| 02:35.05 | resiak | !tell WolfCub -about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:35.07 | resiak | WolfCub: Yes it was. |
| 02:35.10 | cafuego | darkcmd: it's a lot easier with people who either know what they're doing or are able to read docs. |
| 02:35.10 | [omega] | errors were encountered while proccessing |
| 02:35.10 | [omega] | cron |
| 02:35.14 | [omega] | exim |
| 02:35.14 | Wyzard | darkcmd: Once you know what you'e doing it only takes a few minutes |
| 02:35.18 | [omega] | at |
| 02:35.26 | cafuego | Wyzard: Seconds. |
| 02:35.29 | [omega] | mailx |
| 02:35.35 | Wyzard | cafuego: I'm counting time to compile nvidia-kernel |
| 02:35.37 | [omega] | logrotate |
| 02:35.38 | darkcmd | all I did, was install the kernel headers, then install the drivers |
| 02:35.41 | darkcmd | and it worked |
| 02:35.42 | [omega] | mutt |
| 02:35.42 | cafuego | Wyzard: So am I ;-) |
| 02:35.44 | resiak | [omega]: Please stop pasting |
| 02:35.44 | WolfCub | Ok I'm going to restart x! |
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| 02:35.47 | [omega] | thats all it says |
| 02:35.49 | [omega] | sorry |
| 02:35.52 | Wyzard | cafuego: 800Mhz here |
| 02:35.58 | cafuego | Wyzard: AMD64 here |
| 02:36.01 | chealer | see, he just restarts X, but he uses KDE :) |
| 02:36.08 | Wyzard | Well, no wonder |
| 02:36.11 | cafuego | Wyzard: takes about 3 seconds to compile & package the module. |
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| 02:37.51 | WolfCub | OMG YOU GUYS ROCK!!!!!!! it works! |
| 02:37.58 | WolfCub | Thanks a lot all of you. |
| 02:38.02 | WolfCub | :D |
| 02:38.10 | chealer | WolfCub: no glitches? |
| 02:38.15 | WolfCub | Nope. |
| 02:38.17 | WolfCub | :D |
| 02:38.19 | chealer | cool |
| 02:38.21 | Wyzard | nifty |
| 02:38.26 | dvs | groovy |
| 02:38.26 | [omega] | does anyone have any ideas what the problem might be |
| 02:38.34 | WolfCub | Man this is awesome. |
| 02:38.39 | WolfCub | Thanks a million. |
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| 02:38.52 | cafuego | WolfCub: Now run 'glxgears' and count the FPS. |
| 02:39.08 | chealer | [omega]: what's the relation with installing KDE and cron errors? |
| 02:39.19 | WolfCub | 55009 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11001.800 FPS |
| 02:39.27 | cafuego | WolfCub: <heh> |
| 02:39.29 | WolfCub | Heh want to join a server? |
| 02:39.31 | WolfCub | Ill play ya. |
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| 02:39.44 | chealer | so directhex was right when saying nvidia-installer is bad. of course :) |
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| 02:39.50 | WolfCub | Heh. |
| 02:39.57 | Wyzard | not now... I'm seeding Ubuntu so my bandwidth's shot |
| 02:40.01 | WolfCub | Thans a lot guys. |
| 02:40.08 | darkcmd | why is nvidia-installer bad? |
| 02:40.08 | cafuego | chealer: Half the time directhex *recommends* nvidia-installer. |
| 02:40.08 | WolfCub | I'm going to go play some Quake. |
| 02:40.10 | WolfCub | Later all. |
| 02:40.10 | WiFiTux | cafuego, chroot? |
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| 02:40.15 | resiak | cafuego: No, he doesn't. |
| 02:40.22 | mwilson | Why would you waste your time seeding Ubuntu? |
| 02:40.33 | Wyzard | darkcmd: because there's no way to automatically upgrade or uninstall it, mostly |
| 02:40.36 | chealer | cafuego: ah. I didn't run memtest on myself recently ;) |
| 02:40.39 | cafuego | resiak: yes, he does. |
| 02:40.43 | resiak | cafuego: He does? |
| 02:40.47 | resiak | cafuego: I've never seen him do it. |
| 02:40.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: Because I downloaded it, and I always (or at least whenever possible) seed torrents to a ratio of 1.0 |
| 02:40.57 | resiak | cafuego: He recommends it for non-deb distros, but that's not the same thing. |
| 02:41.01 | cafuego | resiak: On occasion, when he can't be asred giving people the debian way onliener, eys |
| 02:41.07 | resiak | cafuego: Heh, I guess :) |
| 02:41.10 | darkcmd | Wyzard: what if you don't plan on updating it all the time? |
| 02:41.22 | cafuego | resiak: he shouldn't be giving into to people on non-0deb distros in here <heh> |
| 02:41.40 | Wyzard | darkcmd: then you should put the package on hold |
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| 02:41.51 | cafuego | s/into/info/ |
| 02:41.53 | resiak | cafuego: Nah, he has a standard rant about how n-i is a really good thing for people with dumb package managers, and does a good job there, but not here. |
| 02:42.04 | [omega] | chealer: when I finished installing debian it showed me what looks like a DOS like screen |
| 02:42.08 | resiak | darkcmd: The packaged way is just much cleaner. |
| 02:42.11 | darkcmd | Wyzard: plus i use a custom compiled kernel |
| 02:42.16 | cafuego | resiak: An upgrade to Debian is really good for people with dumb package managers. |
| 02:42.20 | chealer | [omega]: that must be a console |
| 02:42.29 | resiak | darkcmd: It's easier to use the packaged version with a home-rolled kernel, too. |
| 02:42.40 | resiak | [omega]: Well noticed. You didn't pick the Desktop option during install, did you? |
| 02:42.41 | cafuego | mwilson: Apple are selling the iDesk already? |
| 02:42.48 | Wyzard | darkcmd: I use a custom kernel too... no difference in how you use nvidia; just means you don't need a kernel-headers package because you can use your source tree |
| 02:42.56 | [omega] | then when I type "apt-get install kde-core" It showed the instal proccess and then the error poped up |
| 02:43.00 | resiak | !faq [omega] |
| 02:43.01 | dpkg | [omega]: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:43.25 | resiak | [omega]: But the errors you pasted weren't actually the errors, for your information. |
| 02:43.28 | darkcmd | how do I get the info on installing the nvidia drivers, the packaged way with my custom kernel |
| 02:43.49 | chealer | !tell darkcmd about nvidia-howto |
| 02:43.55 | Wyzard | darkcmd: From a long-term system maintenance perspective, installing non-packaged software is generally a bad idea... you'll find out months or years later that you still have old files sitting around from obsolete software that you'd forgotten was there, or thought you removed but missed a few files |
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| 02:44.00 | resiak | darkcmd: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source, and add modules_image to your make-kpkg invocation. You _are_ using make-kpkg, aren't you? |
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| 02:45.07 | darkcmd | i just untar the kernel source so its in /usr/src, and configure and compile it |
| 02:45.19 | resiak | darkcmd: Why not use kernel-package? |
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| 02:45.38 | darkcmd | kernel-package? |
| 02:45.40 | Wyzard | darkcmd: You should use make-kpkg... it makes a .deb of the compiled kernel, and also provides a nice facility for managing third-party patches to the kernel |
| 02:45.44 | darkcmd | it packages your custom kernel |
| 02:45.45 | resiak | !kernel-package |
| 02:45.46 | dvs | !k-p |
| 02:45.46 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 02:45.47 | Wyzard | darkcmd: apt-get install kernel-package; man make-kpkg |
| 02:46.04 | runixd | how can I debug slow outgoing connection? |
| 02:46.19 | darkcmd | thanks for the suggestions guys, I appreciate it :) |
| 02:46.21 | runixd | fast link, but the connect itself is very slow |
| 02:46.42 | ternational | Can some one give me the origin of the croix in the religion? |
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| 02:47.03 | [omega] | I am also getting an error that says "E: Sub-proccess /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 02:47.08 | dondelelcaro | ternational: uh, you're in the wrong channel to be asking about that. |
| 02:47.17 | resiak | [omega]: Look further up. |
| 02:47.23 | ternational | sorry |
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| 02:47.49 | samuel | sup all |
| 02:48.00 | chealer | dondelelcaro: BTW topic doesn't mention wwsr anymore |
| 02:48.08 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 02:48.22 | samuel | after changing the modprobe.conf file what do i need to do to update the system? |
| 02:48.27 | chealer | oh, too long topic, right? :) |
| 02:48.44 | dvs | samuel: Nothing. running the command will overwrite modprobe.conf |
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| 02:48.51 | runixd | samuel, use /etc/modules |
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| 02:48.56 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | gluck ({packages,people}.debian.org) down |
| 02:49.01 | runixd | then, update-modules |
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| 02:49.13 | dvs | runixd: no |
| 02:49.16 | Meltir | question - why does mc want to connect to the X server when i start it in a term ? and how can i tell it not to do that ? |
| 02:49.20 | chealer | dondelelcaro: great job :) |
| 02:49.33 | runixd | dvs, no what? |
| 02:49.40 | dvs | runixd: that's the wrong thing to do |
| 02:49.42 | samuel | runixd, dvs ok, thx |
| 02:49.49 | runixd | dvs, why |
| 02:50.06 | dvs | runixd: /etc/modules and update-modules are not directly related |
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| 02:50.32 | Wyzard | Meltir: That's a feature of the program, I guess, that it supports X where available... if you don't want it to use that feature, check the manpage |
| 02:50.46 | vitriol | can someone remind me what to use to generate a changelog in debian packages? |
| 02:50.55 | WolfCub | Ok she's working great in all games and stuff, now, does anyone know how to install Doom 3: Resurrection Of Evil (the mission pack)? |
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| 02:51.23 | runixd | dvs, true, sorry my bad |
| 02:51.25 | dondelelcaro | vitriol: an $EDITOR |
| 02:52.02 | vitriol | dondelelcaro: there is a utility to generate changelogs automatically |
| 02:52.17 | vitriol | one of the dh_ tools or maybe something installed with debhelper |
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| 02:52.41 | runixd | so anyone knows how would I go about debugging slow tcp_connect ? it takes about 10-15 seconds to set up connection |
| 02:52.56 | Wyzard | runixd: ethereal maybe? |
| 02:53.03 | dondelelcaro | vitriol: no, dh_installchangelogs just installs them. You obviously have to actually write the things. |
| 02:53.05 | Meltir | Wyzard: thing is - i just had a look into the man - nothing X related there, and i cant find anything that would disable X support in mc's config menu... but maybe im blind - it is 5am over here :P |
| 02:53.25 | runixd | Wyzard, but ethereal will do nothing, but capture packets |
| 02:53.48 | vitriol | dondelelcaro: my problem is 'dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - foo and bar' when i run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 02:54.05 | Wyzard | runixd: And you can look at the packets and see if anything seems amiss |
| 02:54.18 | vitriol | dondelelcaro: there is already a changelog there and everything looks good as far as i can see :/ |
| 02:54.19 | dondelelcaro | vitriol: then debian/changelog probably doesn't correspond with what the version of the package actually is |
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| 02:54.26 | Wyzard | runixd: like lots of retransmissions (which would indicate severe packet loss), etc. |
| 02:54.35 | vitriol | dondelelcaro: ooohh version numbers? |
| 02:55.02 | runixd | Wyzard, good point, but after the connect established link is normal |
| 02:55.12 | runixd | also, only related to outgoing connections |
| 02:55.39 | vitriol | dondelelcaro: correspond with the version number of the parent directory or something else? |
| 02:55.44 | dondelelcaro | vitriol: either that, or something else is wrong. If you need a hand, you'll have to stick the package up somewhere (just tar it up) so others can look at it. |
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| 02:56.07 | dondelelcaro | vitriol: correspond to what foopkg-<version>.orig.tar.gz or whatever actually is |
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| 02:57.33 | vitriol | dondelelcaro: i'm not actually using a source archive i'm using a debian/ dir in a cvs package |
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| 02:57.59 | dondelelcaro | well, then you need to have a .orig directory somewhere, otherwise you can't make the diff.gz and the orig.tar.gz |
| 02:58.12 | dondelelcaro | (unless this is a native package, which it probably shouldn't be.) |
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| 02:59.31 | vitriol | dondelelcaro: no this is enlightenment 0.17 cvs EFL packages...definetly not native :) |
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| 03:02.48 | danikata | hi all |
| 03:03.03 | Rdsmith4 | network config error on installation: |
| 03:03.14 | Rdsmith4 | "Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly." |
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| 03:03.22 | danikata | how to look windows network ? |
| 03:03.26 | Rdsmith4 | then it gives me three options: try autoconfig again, try autoconfic with a DHCP hostname (whatever that is), or configure manually. |
| 03:03.32 | cafuego | danikata: smbclient |
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| 03:03.43 | Rdsmith4 | any suggestions? |
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| 03:04.51 | shingouz | Rdsmith4: does your network have DHCP in the first place |
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| 03:05.38 | Rdsmith4 | yes |
| 03:06.18 | shingouz | Rdsmith4: ok, did the installer see the NIC you have? |
| 03:06.21 | danikata | and how to file sharing with windows ? |
| 03:06.56 | bucky | danikata, use samba |
| 03:06.58 | chealer | !tell danikata about samba |
| 03:07.12 | danikata | ok, thx a lot |
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| 03:21.52 | omnistegan | hey guys, in /boot/grub/menu.lst for a windows boot partition it reads: "root (hd0,0)" the partition is hda5, what should it be set at? |
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| 03:22.41 | FieldySnuts | @lart ##channels |
| 03:23.18 | shingouz | what did ##channels do to get slapped |
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| 03:25.50 | omnistegan | 757 people and nobody can help me? |
| 03:26.03 | FieldySnuts | oh don't be annoying |
| 03:26.09 | kvn | Substitute 'must' for 'can' |
| 03:26.10 | Kvant | a5 would be 0,4 |
| 03:27.00 | ezhdeha | sorry, omnistegan :) |
| 03:27.04 | ezhdeha | not paying attention |
| 03:27.10 | omnistegan | thank you Kvant, i wasnt getting mad |
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| 03:27.30 | ezhdeha | yes, it should be hd(0,4) |
| 03:29.16 | ezhdeha | omnistegan, if u r using the grub shell, it gives you tab completion of the partitions |
| 03:29.45 | omnistegan | ezhdeha, i'm not using the grub shell, I don't know how |
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| 03:30.28 | Routed | is Debian not packaging kernel 2.4 source anymore? |
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| 03:30.37 | bob2 | er |
| 03:30.41 | bob2 | the default is still 2.4 |
| 03:30.45 | dondelelcaro | Routed: it's packaged for some architectures. |
| 03:30.48 | Routed | the latest |
| 03:31.04 | Routed | i see in sid ois kernel-source-2.4.27 |
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| 03:31.31 | Routed | we're up to 2.4.30 already :) /obvious |
| 03:31.33 | tarheelcox1 | anybody know why libflash-mozplugin makes firefox hang? |
| 03:31.35 | dondelelcaro | Routed: 2.4.27 is the one that d-i is based on. 2.4.30 only came out recently |
| 03:31.47 | tarheelcox1 | anybody else have that problem? |
| 03:31.56 | Routed | true, but where is .28/.29? |
| 03:32.27 | dondelelcaro | Routed: who cares? If it's something that bothers you, use make-kpkg... |
| 03:32.39 | bob2 | Routed: #debian-kernel |
| 03:32.47 | Routed | dondelelcaro, yep. Just curious is all. :) |
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| 03:33.00 | Routed | bob2, thx |
| 03:33.36 | chealer | tarheelcox1: just don't use libflash-mozplugin |
| 03:33.46 | nikc | anyone know of a repository for an updated blackbox .70 deb binary? |
| 03:34.09 | void | hello, i have a question, im trying to mount my cd rom drive im running 'mount /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0' and it says... |
| 03:34.12 | bob2 | is anyone even maintaing blackbox in debian anymore/ |
| 03:34.14 | tarheelcox1 | chealer: then how do I watch Strongbad emails? |
| 03:34.18 | tarheelcox1 | ;) |
| 03:34.19 | cafuego | Coz flash crashes mozilla more often than not. |
| 03:34.29 | dondelelcaro | !maint blackbox |
| 03:34.31 | dpkg | blackbox: Bruno Barrera C. <bruno@debian.org> |
| 03:34.31 | void | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 03:34.32 | cafuego | tarheelcox1: They play fine in Safari on OSX |
| 03:34.37 | chealer | tarheelcox1: Strongbad :? |
| 03:34.49 | tarheelcox1 | chealer: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail |
| 03:34.57 | bob2 | void: so specify it, -t iso9600 |
| 03:35.06 | bob2 | er, spelt correctly, even |
| 03:35.13 | tarheelcox1 | cafuego: but I'm running DEBIAN |
| 03:35.15 | chealer | tarheelcox1: some strange 202 |
| 03:35.16 | bob2 | tarheelcox1: it just makes firefox crash for me |
| 03:35.17 | cafuego | chealer: Weird-ish website |
| 03:35.20 | chealer | s/202/404 |
| 03:35.28 | chealer | yep |
| 03:35.31 | cafuego | tarheelcox1: Yeah. Email macromedia and ask them to fix flash. |
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| 03:35.45 | tarheelcox1 | cafuego: lol, thanks |
| 03:36.00 | tarheelcox1 | cafuego: 6.X wasn't buggy for me |
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| 03:36.11 | tarheelcox1 | I regret updating |
| 03:36.18 | cafuego | tarheelcox1: mozilla-firefox crashes *constantly* with flash here |
| 03:36.22 | chealer | macromedia doesn't make libflash-mozplugin |
| 03:36.27 | void | mount: No medium found |
| 03:36.31 | ezhdeha | strongbad rocks my world |
| 03:36.32 | shingouz | tarheelcox1: galeon gives a 404 on the url |
| 03:36.41 | tarheelcox1 | shingouz: I may have mistyped it |
| 03:36.52 | tarheelcox1 | I can't see it, since I don't have flash support |
| 03:37.04 | ezhdeha | it's what triumph the insult comic dog from conan obrien is obvisouly based on (strongbad) |
| 03:37.06 | chealer | tarheelcox1: there's a reason libflash-mozplugin was removed from sarge |
| 03:37.17 | tarheelcox1 | chealer: ahh |
| 03:37.33 | cartel_ | http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html |
| 03:37.45 | void | alright, anyone know the iso#### for PS2? |
| 03:37.55 | cafuego | void: ISO what? |
| 03:38.03 | void | number |
| 03:38.03 | cafuego | void: For the connector type? |
| 03:38.19 | void | no the CD format |
| 03:38.30 | cafuego | void: iso9660 |
| 03:38.34 | shingouz | tarheelcox1: the url cartel_ pasted works nicely with galeon |
| 03:38.34 | void | nope |
| 03:38.35 | cafuego | that's bog standard |
| 03:38.46 | pshaggy | I just installed debian for the first time in a while and I'm having difficulty in using my cd drive |
| 03:38.48 | cartel_ | works fine here in ffx |
| 03:38.52 | cafuego | void: If it's a DVD, it may be using udf. |
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| 03:38.59 | pshaggy | i have a cdrom in /media which is a link to cdrom0 |
| 03:39.06 | pshaggy | but no cdrom0 in that dir |
| 03:39.23 | void | humm.. |
| 03:39.47 | pshaggy | also, fstab refers to cdrom0 |
| 03:40.09 | cafuego | pshaggy: hotplug is supposed to create those directories |
| 03:40.22 | tarheelcox1 | thanks for the help, folks |
| 03:40.29 | cafuego | or was that discover |
| 03:40.36 | tarheelcox1 | I'm off to enjoy the insanity that follows NCAA |
| 03:40.57 | bestbuddyever | I (stupidly) ran a makefile as root and some bad things happened. Could anyone point me to good documentation on how to assess and repair /dev, which I suspect was damaged? |
| 03:41.05 | void | thx guys |
| 03:41.07 | pshaggy | this is a fresh install and I installed from the cdrom so obviously the comp can read it. I'm just not sure what's next |
| 03:41.10 | bob2 | bestbuddyever: cd /dev/ ; MAKEDEV |
| 03:41.27 | bob2 | bestbuddyever: but a makefile would have to be more or less hostile to actually fuck around in /dev |
| 03:41.45 | cafuego | pshaggy: just mkdir /media/cdrom0 |
| 03:42.07 | mwilson | Hm, too bad |
| 03:42.25 | mwilson | Current idesk is very twitchy, I see why it's not in Sid. |
| 03:42.25 | pshaggy | does /media/cdrom0 also need to be a link to /dev/hdc? |
| 03:42.27 | bestbuddyever | bob2: at the least, it made /dev/null a normal file, which I already corrected, I tried MAKEDEV with no change. |
| 03:42.34 | bob2 | bestbuddyever: um, wow |
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| 03:42.39 | bob2 | bestbuddyever: what on earth was it? |
| 03:43.07 | bestbuddyever | bob2: a kernel, I doupt it was hostile |
| 03:43.10 | cafuego | pshaggy: No. /media/* is the mount point, not the device. |
| 03:43.20 | bestbuddyever | what version I don't know, it was weeks ago |
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| 03:43.25 | bob2 | the kernel won't ever touch /dev |
| 03:43.28 | nullvoid | hi guys |
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| 03:43.40 | bestbuddyever | bob2: in any case, something touched it ;) |
| 03:43.41 | SexyKen | Anyone know how to add arule using ipchains? I need to accept all incoming on any port from a certain ip address |
| 03:43.57 | bestbuddyever | since then I've also lost /dev/eth0, although my internet still works, which I don't understand |
| 03:44.00 | bob2 | bestbuddyever: er, I'd be getting worried about what exactly touched it |
| 03:44.04 | cartel_ | SexyKen: ipchains is out of date |
| 03:44.06 | bob2 | bestbuddyever: you never had a /dev/eth0 |
| 03:44.12 | SexyKen | •cartel_• I know, so is RedHat 7.3 |
| 03:44.16 | SexyKen | But I still need to use it. |
| 03:44.16 | bob2 | not on linux, anyway |
| 03:44.20 | bob2 | SexyKen: #redhat |
| 03:44.20 | mwilson | SexyKen: man ipchains |
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| 03:45.15 | bestbuddyever | well in any case, I'm having trouble finding detailed documentation |
| 03:45.20 | cartel_ | sexyken: its been a long time since i used chains, sorry |
| 03:45.24 | cartel_ | bestbuddyever: googlew |
| 03:45.28 | cartel_ | google/linux/ |
| 03:46.08 | bob2 | I don't think that's going to help much |
| 03:46.13 | bestbuddyever | hey! I'm not /that/ new |
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| 03:46.35 | bestbuddyever | I see that eth0 does not need to exist |
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| 03:47.15 | omnistegan | hey guys, I still didnt magae to get grub to work for XP. so i went to read the lines in grub fro my xp boot by pressing e. there were 3 lines. first was: "root (hd0,4)". second: "makeactive". third: "chainloader +1" now this is windows xp pro on hda5, is something set wrong? |
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| 03:47.27 | pshaggy | also, when I try to change the group of a directory via 'chgrp storage /Storage1' *as root* I'm told: Changing group of 'Storage1': Operation not permitted. I thought root could do anything! |
| 03:47.30 | boukensya | hey guys. I was wondering if there was a console based icq out there that supports the icq protocol that can talk to aol users? gaim does it but I need console for screen (remote access) |
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| 03:47.49 | bob2 | pshaggy: is /Storage1 on a crap filesystem like fat or ntfs? |
| 03:47.51 | zignig | bestbuddyever: ifconfig -a , if you are using PPPOE you don't _need_ an ip address. |
| 03:47.55 | tzafrir_laptop | boukensya, try bitlbee |
| 03:48.04 | tzafrir_laptop | licq has console mode |
| 03:48.07 | bob2 | boukensya: bitlebee is cool |
| 03:48.10 | pshaggy | bob2, yeah, it's fat32 so I can share w/ doze |
| 03:48.12 | zignig | bob2: bleh! |
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| 03:48.19 | bob2 | pshaggy: then you can't set permissions at all |
| 03:48.26 | boukensya | but do they allow you to talk to aol users as an icq user? |
| 03:48.48 | bob2 | boukensya: er, don't you need to login to AIM to do that? |
| 03:48.59 | bucky | boukensya, centericq |
| 03:49.09 | boukensya | naugh.. its an icq/aol protocol |
| 03:49.10 | tzafrir_laptop | maybe also center-icq |
| 03:49.12 | bob2 | pshaggy: man fstab, use the gid option to set it to storage's gid |
| 03:49.15 | boukensya | naugh.. centericq and naim don't |
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| 03:49.44 | bestbuddyever | zignig: thanks |
| 03:49.47 | cartel_ | while true; do clue++; done |
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| 03:50.36 | pshaggy | bob2, thanks |
| 03:50.38 | zignig | bestbuddyever: were you using pppoe ? |
| 03:50.38 | guestish | hi |
| 03:51.00 | nullvoid | I already convert a package to deb using alien. Now I want to modify the control and the rule files, how do I unpack it? I tried both dpkg-deb --unpack? dpkg-deb --extract <--- seems can't find those files |
| 03:51.15 | guestish | anyone know if the HD515 headphones are any good? |
| 03:51.18 | bob2 | nullvoid: be less vague |
| 03:51.24 | bob2 | nullvoid: "seems can't find those files" |
| 03:51.35 | cartel_ | nullvoid: ar x |
| 03:51.35 | bob2 | nullvoid: is that because you didn't extract the control.tar.gz file? |
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| 03:51.46 | bob2 | nullvoid: note debian/rules doesn't exist in the binary package at all |
| 03:51.49 | bestbuddyever | zignig: assuming that I would know if I were, no |
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| 03:52.02 | AncientX | can anyone help me to get my X server working?i keep getting Fatal server error: |
| 03:52.03 | AncientX | no screens found |
| 03:52.03 | AncientX | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.14 | guestish | no audiophiles around eh? |
| 03:52.21 | Kvant | nullvoid, what format was the file you converted? |
| 03:52.34 | nullvoid | Kvant: tar.gz |
| 03:52.38 | nullvoid | slackware |
| 03:52.39 | cartel_ | guestish, what do you mean by audiophile? |
| 03:52.43 | bob2 | AncientX: I don't ses your post to the debian-x list? |
| 03:53.01 | guestish | cartel_: people who know a lot about audio equipment |
| 03:53.34 | bob2 | !+noscreensfound |
| 03:53.34 | dpkg | it has been said that noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 03:53.36 | bob2 | guestish: shockingly |
| 03:53.38 | nullvoid | bob2: in a deb which file have the info as we type dpkg -I and which file tell dpkg -i to install a file to? |
| 03:53.46 | guestish | bob2: heh |
| 03:53.55 | bob2 | nullvoid: I don't understand your question |
| 03:54.02 | bob2 | nullvoid: but there's no debian/rules file in there anywhere |
| 03:54.10 | guestish | bob2: yeah, well one can be hopeful |
| 03:54.15 | cartel_ | nullvoid: thats data.tar.gz |
| 03:54.21 | cartel_ | that is extracted over / |
| 03:54.26 | bob2 | nullvoid: DEBIAN/control is in control.tar.gz |
| 03:54.30 | SexyKen | How can I tell if a daemon is listening on a certain port/ |
| 03:54.39 | cartel_ | SexyKen: netstat -nap |
| 03:54.47 | bob2 | SexyKen: #redhat, suido netstat -pluant | grep LISTEN |
| 03:54.59 | bob2 | AncientX: also, read what the bot said |
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| 03:55.24 | candc540 | got a question |
| 03:55.38 | candc540 | can someone look at a init.d script for me |
| 03:55.53 | omnistegan | ezhdeha, you still here? |
| 03:56.06 | mwilson | candc540: And tell you... what? |
| 03:57.13 | candc540 | basically i need to give the daemon a device name |
| 03:57.32 | candc540 | of /dev/blah/0 |
| 03:57.43 | candc540 | and i dunno how to do that in the script |
| 03:57.49 | candc540 | new to scripts |
| 03:58.13 | bob2 | you're being too vague |
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| 03:58.40 | candc540 | ok it's a script for lirc |
| 03:58.49 | bob2 | ... |
| 03:58.56 | bob2 | lirc has an init script already |
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| 03:59.11 | candc540 | basically i need to run lirc -d /dev/lirc/0 |
| 03:59.22 | cartel_ | candc540: its not in the defaults file? |
| 03:59.31 | candc540 | because lirc doesn't find it |
| 03:59.45 | candc540 | it's built from source |
| 03:59.53 | candc540 | so there's a file in the contrib folder that says lirc.debian |
| 03:59.58 | candc540 | but that file doesn't work |
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| 04:00.56 | bestbuddyever | ok thanks for help, I might be back in a few days |
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| 04:03.35 | MobyTurbo | candc540: lirc is in Debian repositories, why don't you use those? |
| 04:03.43 | candc540 | didn't work right |
| 04:03.46 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: 'cause he's... special. |
| 04:03.50 | candc540 | for my purposes |
| 04:03.52 | candc540 | :) |
| 04:04.15 | MobyTurbo | candc540: well, this one doesn't work right either. |
| 04:04.17 | bob2 | candc540: which are? |
| 04:04.35 | candc540 | just didn't work with my remote |
| 04:04.43 | candc540 | it worked this way till i restarted after i got it working |
| 04:05.49 | candc540 | i dunno i guess i'm just stupid |
| 04:05.53 | candc540 | but i can't figure it out |
| 04:06.22 | omnistegan | anyone here fmailiar with grub? |
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| 04:06.53 | MobyTurbo | omnistegan: just ask |
| 04:07.00 | omnistegan | hey guys, I still didnt magae to get grub to work for XP. so i went to read the lines in grub fro my xp boot by pressing e. there were 3 lines. first was: "root (hd0,4)". second: "makeactive". third: "chainloader +1" now this is windows xp pro on hda5, is something set wrong? |
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| 04:10.26 | omnistegan | sussudio, its so my computer illiterate parents can use that computer |
| 04:10.48 | drini | hold on while I check my grub |
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| 04:11.03 | sussudio | !fgi omnistegan grub windows XP |
| 04:11.04 | dpkg | omnistegan: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=grub windows XP |
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| 04:11.29 | omnistegan | sussudio, I'm not a jack-ass i googled it |
| 04:11.35 | drini | title Windows XP Professional |
| 04:11.35 | drini | root (hd0,0) |
| 04:11.35 | drini | makeactive |
| 04:11.36 | drini | chainloader +1 |
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| 04:11.46 | sussudio | omnistegan: no, you are a jackass. |
| 04:11.48 | drini | and it' on hda1 |
| 04:12.00 | sussudio | first fucking hit. |
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| 04:12.05 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: just use /ignore instead of calling people names. |
| 04:12.18 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: first hit on google. |
| 04:12.28 | sussudio | "Dual-Boot Linux and Windows 2000/Windows XP with GRUB HOWTO" |
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| 04:12.39 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: sure... but there's no reason to call anyone names about it |
| 04:12.46 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: btw, he was the one who came up with the jack-ass part. |
| 04:12.59 | cafuego | The sample grub.conf has an WinXP/2K entry. |
| 04:13.25 | jamuraa | I have the ultimate question - exim or exim4? |
| 04:13.28 | omnistegan | sussudio, I check those links, they don't discuss what to change when xp is on a different partition, thats the fucking problem!! |
| 04:13.29 | drini | I just showed you the proper way *shrug* |
| 04:13.49 | myren | how do i get a list of poeple in a channel? |
| 04:13.53 | myren | (irssi) |
| 04:13.54 | MobyTurbo | omnistegan: XP is always on a different partition. |
| 04:13.59 | bob2 | myren: /names |
| 04:14.00 | drini | with /names |
| 04:14.04 | myren | thanks guys |
| 04:14.05 | bob2 | myren: same in all clients, afaik |
| 04:14.13 | spoofer | I think he means that in the how to |
| 04:14.13 | bob2 | omnistegan: you change the root line... |
| 04:14.23 | omnistegan | bob2, to what? |
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| 04:14.45 | bob2 | omnistegan: to what someone told you earlier, hd0,4 |
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| 04:14.52 | bob2 | omnistegan: but windows hates very much not being on the first partition |
| 04:14.54 | candc540 | i figured it out |
| 04:15.03 | omnistegan | bob2, if that worked would i be bitching? |
| 04:15.09 | bob2 | I'm not sure if it's actually possible to have it boot from hda5 |
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| 04:15.23 | bob2 | omnistegan: do you know that it's possible to actually boot windows from hd5? |
| 04:15.29 | bob2 | or are you assuming? |
| 04:15.32 | candc540 | i'm stupid i missed it cause pico didn't show the whole line and there it was so i figured it out thanks |
| 04:15.44 | omnistegan | bob2, it worked as a dual-windows |
| 04:15.52 | bob2 | omnistegan: on hda5? |
| 04:15.58 | omnistegan | bob2, yes |
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| 04:17.59 | tarzeau | good morning |
| 04:18.07 | oXeY | i have a bit of a problem i cant seem to install debian on a sata system? |
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| 04:18.19 | oXeY | i need intel drivers for ich5r any ideas |
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| 04:18.34 | bob2 | oXeY: you're using sarge and the 2.6 kernel, riught? |
| 04:18.37 | Mardus | Hi all. |
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| 04:18.46 | oXeY | i just downloaded latest one today |
| 04:19.05 | bob2 | oXeY: ... |
| 04:19.08 | MobyTurbo | omnistegan: boot into Linux, run fdisk -l, then see what your partition table says. |
| 04:19.08 | bob2 | oXeY: latest one = ? |
| 04:19.10 | bob2 | sarge rc3? |
| 04:19.12 | nullvoid | bob2: is't possible to modify a deb package? |
| 04:19.17 | tarzeau | nullvoid: sure |
| 04:19.18 | bob2 | nullvoid: sure |
| 04:19.26 | bob2 | nullvoid: but I think you're pretty confused about what a .deb is |
| 04:19.31 | oXeY | whatever the weekly build is lol |
| 04:19.33 | nullvoid | yes I am |
| 04:19.38 | bob2 | nullvoid: it's a binary package. it has no debian/rules file. |
| 04:19.43 | nullvoid | oic |
| 04:19.52 | bob2 | nullvoid: and even if it did, there's no way one made from a converted tarr.gz would |
| 04:19.57 | bob2 | oXeY: url |
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| 04:20.10 | oXeY | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ |
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| 04:20.31 | Kvant | oXeY, did you tell it to boot linux26? |
| 04:20.34 | bob2 | oXeY: did you boot with the linux26 option? |
| 04:20.36 | nullvoid | bob2: I just created a deb using alien, but the info attached needed to be modified, can this be done? |
| 04:20.44 | bob2 | nullvoid: yes, I already told you how |
| 04:20.48 | oXeY | um no i just put the disc in and turn the system on |
| 04:20.55 | bob2 | nullvoid: ar x foo.deb ; tar -zxf control.tar.gz |
| 04:21.04 | nullvoid | oic |
| 04:21.06 | bob2 | nullvoid: edit DEBIAN/control |
| 04:21.08 | nullvoid | let me try |
| 04:21.12 | bob2 | nullvoid: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:21.47 | nullvoid | I want to find a easy way to create a deb package - just for learning purposes |
| 04:21.59 | oXeY | so boot up in mode linux 26? i assume some info on that is in the f1 help menu |
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| 04:22.12 | bob2 | nullvoid: alien is no a useful way to learn that |
| 04:22.13 | bob2 | oXeY: yes |
| 04:22.17 | tarzeau | nullvoid: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 04:22.19 | Mardus | I am remapping mouse buttons, but I have XFree86 3.3.6. I created an .Xmodmap file in my home directory, but as per one debian mailing list message, I have to call this file from /home/.xsession (or .Xsession) file, which I don't have. |
| 04:22.25 | oXeY | according to detect hardware my sata controller isnt supported yet |
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| 04:22.37 | oXeY | even though its a common one the mb is 2 years old |
| 04:22.39 | bob2 | oXeY: after booting with linux26? |
| 04:22.41 | tarzeau | nullvoid: you want to learn about source packages, dpkg-source -x *.dsc , apt-get source pkg and debuild |
| 04:22.49 | oXeY | didnt try it heh |
| 04:22.54 | bob2 | oXeY: then try it |
| 04:22.56 | pshaggy | is there anything I need to do to allow users on a fresh install to use the cdburner? They can read from it now but k3b won't recognize it as a writer |
| 04:22.57 | Kvant | oXeY, what mb? |
| 04:23.02 | bob2 | Mardus: depends what you want to do |
| 04:23.02 | oXeY | how exactly do i boot to linux 26 |
| 04:23.06 | oXeY | ic7-max3 |
| 04:23.15 | bob2 | oXeY: you haven't read the help screen yet? |
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| 04:23.26 | oXeY | briefly i am sleepy lol |
| 04:23.29 | bob2 | pshaggy: depends on lots of things |
| 04:23.32 | bob2 | oXeY: linux26, hit enter |
| 04:23.32 | HeavyD | Does anybody know how to apply a 'modeline' to the XF86Config-4 file? I have the line generated.... I just don't know where in the file to put it. |
| 04:23.32 | Luser | Can gunzip unzip .zip files for me? |
| 04:23.39 | oXeY | ahh |
| 04:23.40 | bob2 | Luser: no, use the unzip program for that |
| 04:23.41 | oXeY | brb |
| 04:23.49 | Mardus | bob2: Well, the xmodmap thing is a stopgap measure to remap mouse buttons, because the primary button doesn't work anymore and I want to reassign the middle button to be the primary button. |
| 04:23.50 | Luser | cheers bob2 |
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| 04:24.01 | alexander_ | hello all |
| 04:24.03 | bob2 | Mardus: how do you start x? |
| 04:24.39 | Mardus | bob2: It starts automatically after startup. I want this measure to be permanent until I find a better solution. |
| 04:24.44 | pshaggy | bob2, tests I can perform to narrow things down a bit then? |
| 04:25.07 | cafuego | Anyone know offhand of the Sarge 2.6 installer supports the Smart 6i scsi raid controller? |
| 04:25.08 | bob2 | pshaggy: what version of debian? what type of burner? what kernel version? |
| 04:25.26 | bob2 | Mardus: meh |
| 04:25.44 | alexander_ | ive a problem: my laptop no longer seems to start gnome, or failsafe gnome, or even failsafe terminal, but X seems to work fine since gdm works, just cant figure out why it just stops after the login - i see a blue background and a mouse that I can move... any ideas please? |
| 04:25.44 | bob2 | Mardus: run "xmodmap ~/.blahablah" from ~/.xsession, make the next line start your wm |
| 04:25.55 | bob2 | then choose "debian session" from the session menu in gdm |
| 04:26.01 | bob2 | if you use kdm, I don't know or care, try #debian-kde |
| 04:26.11 | bob2 | alexander_: try logging in as another user |
| 04:26.23 | Mardus | bob2: I don't know if I use kdm. |
| 04:26.57 | pshaggy | bob2, testing. HP-CDWriter+9500. 2.6.8-1-686 |
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| 04:27.08 | bob2 | pshaggy: hp = ide cd burner? |
| 04:27.13 | candc540 | ok i figured out my init.d script finally |
| 04:27.19 | Mardus | bob2: How do I run something from (tilde)/.xsession? What is /.xsession anyway? |
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| 04:27.25 | pshaggy | bob2, yep |
| 04:27.29 | candc540 | but now my modules don't load |
| 04:27.29 | alexander_ | bob2, happens in every user |
| 04:27.31 | pshaggy | on /dev/hdc |
| 04:27.36 | bob2 | alexander_: even a new one? |
| 04:27.45 | bob2 | pshaggy: who owns hdc? (ls -ld /dev/hdc) |
| 04:27.45 | candc540 | i made a file in /etc/modutils called lirc |
| 04:27.46 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.53 | alexander_ | bob2, good idea... lemme see... |
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| 04:28.02 | bob2 | Mardus: it's a file that X runs during startup |
| 04:28.02 | pshaggy | root/cdrom |
| 04:28.05 | candc540 | and did update-modules and they don't load |
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| 04:28.20 | bob2 | pshaggy: add them to the cdrom group |
| 04:28.27 | bob2 | pshaggy: tho they'll need to logout and in again |
| 04:28.31 | pshaggy | already a member |
| 04:28.54 | Mardus | bob2: I have x running right now, but it's pointless to access x without the mouse working as desired. |
| 04:29.05 | candc540 | any clues anyone? |
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| 04:29.09 | pshaggy | bob2, do I need to change /media/cdrom* to root/cdrom (it is root/root) |
| 04:29.15 | bob2 | pshaggy: no |
| 04:29.20 | bob2 | Mardus: awesome |
| 04:29.33 | alexander_ | bob2, i forgot - mabe this helps, it says "cannot find xterm to find a failsafe session" |
| 04:29.36 | Mardus | bob2: I'll skim upwards to make notes. |
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| 04:30.07 | pelota | hola |
| 04:30.14 | pelota | sabes me tienen baneado en el canal |
| 04:30.16 | pelota | debian-es |
| 04:30.29 | pelota | me gustaria que alguine me comunicara con algun operador |
| 04:30.32 | sussudio | !es |
| 04:30.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:30.47 | bob2 | Mardus: there's probably some way to make X do it generically, but I don't know it |
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| 04:30.52 | drini | #debian-es is full of sophomoric kids, thta's why I stopped hanging in there |
| 04:31.05 | pelota | baner |
| 04:31.07 | sussudio | drini: they deserve eachother. |
| 04:31.08 | bob2 | but they speak spanish |
| 04:31.10 | pelota | estyo con baner |
| 04:31.15 | sussudio | pelota: #debian-es |
| 04:31.25 | bob2 | pshaggy: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 04:31.26 | bob2 | bah |
| 04:31.27 | bob2 | pelota: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 04:31.40 | pelota | Cannot join #debian-es (You are banned). |
| 04:31.46 | xLobeznox | how can I can modify the time that ubuntu remember my root pass? |
| 04:31.46 | pelota | quien me baneo |
| 04:31.48 | sussudio | pelota: soon to follow for this channel too |
| 04:31.49 | alexander_ | hes saying hes banned from debian-es and needs to be connected to an op |
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| 04:31.54 | drini | I should start #debian-mx ;) |
| 04:32.00 | bob2 | xLobeznox: #ubuntu |
| 04:32.03 | xLobeznox | ups |
| 04:32.10 | Remmy | Hi all, how do I cahnge the permissions on my apache2 log files in the proper way? That is, making sure new logfiles have a set of permissions that I want, and not having to chmod them all the time? |
| 04:32.23 | xLobeznox | bob2, well I supose is a option that also debian have with sudo, yes? |
| 04:32.24 | bob2 | pshaggy: does cdrecord work for them? |
| 04:32.24 | alexander_ | drini, you in mexico? |
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| 04:32.27 | drini | yep |
| 04:32.36 | bob2 | xLobeznox: probably, but #ubuntu |
| 04:32.39 | drini | mainly because I dislike the people n #debian-es heheh |
| 04:32.47 | alexander_ | drini, me too :) |
| 04:32.56 | alexander_ | la ciudad de la esperanza |
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| 04:33.21 | TBBle | Is it just me, or did yesterday's ifupdown break logical interface names? |
| 04:34.14 | pshaggy | no, it does not |
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| 04:34.52 | Luser | I have a dir of about 100 .zip files. When I enter: unzip *.zip it doesn't allow me. It gives me an error: "caution: filename not matched". |
| 04:35.12 | TBBle | OK, thanks. *goes to work out what did break and why* |
| 04:35.16 | bob2 | Luser: indeed |
| 04:35.21 | Wyzard | Luser: The shell replaces the "*.zip" with the name of each zipfile in the directory, separated by spaces |
| 04:35.23 | bob2 | Luser: the helps says it takes one filename, not 100 |
| 04:35.30 | alexander_ | ok, i seem to have "lost" xterm, can someone plz tell me what pkg it resides in? dpkg -S lists quite a few xterms and im not sure what one is correct |
| 04:35.35 | bob2 | Luser: for i in *.zip ; dunzip $i ; done |
| 04:35.40 | bob2 | alexander_: install x-window-system-core |
| 04:35.44 | Xenguy | Luser: maybe -> for i in *zip; do unzip $i; done <-- could mix up your files though, depending |
| 04:35.54 | Wyzard | Luser: Unfortunately, unzip doesn't support using several zipfiles at once... it interprets the first name as the file to work on, and subsequent names as files to look for within the first one |
| 04:36.07 | drini | ok, I registered #es-debian , hehehe |
| 04:36.24 | alexander_ | bob2, ok... thanks, what id LIKE to know is how this happened? |
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| 04:36.46 | bob2 | alexander_: no idea, apt never removes packages without asking for permission |
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| 04:37.49 | jmspeex | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:37.49 | jmspeex | ... |
| 04:37.58 | jmspeex | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 04:37.58 | jmspeex | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.00 | candc540 | can anyone help me get modules loaded |
| 04:38.12 | jmspeex | Is it me of someone screwed up? |
| 04:38.16 | bob2 | jmspeex: yes, kvim is gone now |
| 04:38.24 | bob2 | I guess kde hasn't been updated to know this yet |
| 04:38.33 | bob2 | candc540: you need to be about 50 000 times less vague |
| 04:38.39 | alexander_ | bob2, it couldnt have been apt since i didnt use it since last week |
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| 04:38.46 | alexander_ | oh wel... |
| 04:38.50 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/267325 any help appriciated |
| 04:38.51 | candc540 | i put a file called ivtv in /etc/modutils |
| 04:39.10 | alexander_ | how do i get apt to reinstall? |
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| 04:39.27 | bob2 | alexander_: maybe sometihng trashed your disk then |
| 04:39.39 | candc540 | with the following lines lirc_dev lirc_i2c alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c |
| 04:39.47 | candc540 | then i ran an update-modules |
| 04:39.50 | cartel_ | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/apt{version}.deb |
| 04:40.03 | candc540 | and it don't work |
| 04:40.06 | jmspeex | bob2: I thought dist-upgrade was supposed to be a bit more intelligent... i.e. not uninstall kde because of that. |
| 04:40.06 | alexander_ | bob2, i think so too... |
| 04:40.11 | bob2 | candc540: why do you care about that? why don't you just load the module? |
| 04:40.21 | candc540 | as in modprobe? |
| 04:40.27 | bob2 | jmspeex: how can it be intelligent? kde Deoends on kdeadons which Depends on kvim |
| 04:40.31 | bob2 | candc540: or /etc/modules |
| 04:40.44 | candc540 | how do you do it with /etc/modules? |
| 04:40.52 | cartel_ | haha dpkg |
| 04:40.55 | cartel_ | nice |
| 04:41.03 | candc540 | i always thought the proper way was make a file in /etc/modutils |
| 04:41.53 | candc540 | ahhh |
| 04:42.10 | candc540 | i see i'll put module names in there |
| 04:42.13 | candc540 | thanks |
| 04:42.14 | cafuego | Neet, the DL380 should be fully supported. |
| 04:42.16 | jmspeex | bob2: Well, I would have thought that kdeaddons depends on kde and not the other way around... |
| 04:43.29 | bob2 | Package: kde |
| 04:43.39 | bob2 | Depends: ... kdeaddons ... |
| 04:43.56 | drini | kde is the whole bundle |
| 04:43.58 | jmspeex | bob2: If it was intelligent, it would have kept back vim and vim-common instead of suggesting removing kde and kdeaddons, no? |
| 04:44.02 | drini | kde-core I think it's the minimal kde |
| 04:44.10 | bob2 | of course it's not intelligent |
| 04:44.11 | bob2 | it's a program |
| 04:44.17 | bob2 | it tries to upgrade as much stuff as it can |
| 04:44.31 | drini | no, if you install kde, it ties to install all possible options and programs |
| 04:44.34 | bob2 | by removing the kde metapackage and kdeaddons metapackages, it can upgrade vim and other stuff |
| 04:44.36 | drini | that's seldoom needed |
| 04:44.45 | Mardus | jmspeex: You could have used Synaptic. |
| 04:44.53 | jmspeex | bob2: I mean, I thought that dist-upgrade had some kind of rules to resolve conflicts while doing the least damage... |
| 04:44.57 | cafuego | jmspeex: Which part of removing KDe is not intelligent? |
| 04:45.09 | bob2 | jmspeex: it is, but it didn't read your mind |
| 04:45.24 | Mardus | cafuego: All? |
| 04:45.25 | bob2 | jmspeex: by losing those metapackages (which contain nothing), it can upgrade vim |
| 04:45.43 | cafuego | Mardus: The way I see it, removing KDE is the smartest thing you can do with KDE. |
| 04:45.49 | Mardus | cafuego: Or none... |
| 04:45.54 | jmspeex | cafuego: it has the choice between removing kde and not upgrading vim. It chose to remove kde. |
| 04:46.07 | cafuego | jmspeex: Yes, a commendable decision. |
| 04:46.19 | Mardus | cafuego: I have twm instead. |
| 04:46.20 | shingouz | ...and to think that there is actually a --simulate flag that could be used before something as major as a dist-upgrade.... |
| 04:46.33 | jmspeex | It's like: "let's see, I really need to upgrade xsnow, but it doesn't like the kernel... let's remove the kernel". |
| 04:46.37 | bob2 | jmspeex: I don't know why it picked that course of action, but it is the optimal one regardless |
| 04:46.49 | bob2 | jmspeex: those metapackages contain no files, and you lose nothing by removing them |
| 04:46.51 | Mardus | shingouz: Yea, now the new ppl learn about it. |
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| 04:47.09 | cafuego | jmspeex: I could tell you, but it's a bot off-topic. |
| 04:47.10 | alexander_ | is there any way to get apt to re-fetch a package it has already installed? |
| 04:47.13 | cafuego | bit, too |
| 04:47.18 | bob2 | alexander_: --reinstall |
| 04:47.22 | bob2 | as the manpage says, dude |
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| 04:47.39 | bob2 | jmspeex: when those packagea are updated to know about kvim being gone, you can reinstall them |
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| 04:48.20 | Mardus | cafuego: I can't have kde in any machine where I acutally can insall Linux to, when the possibility arises... |
| 04:48.26 | Mardus | * actually |
| 04:48.31 | Mardus | * install |
| 04:49.12 | Mardus | cafuego: I guess in your view removing kde is like removing windows... |
| 04:49.14 | cafuego | Oooh, watch that kernel.org diffviewer go! |
| 04:49.27 | calin | WHat can I use to show me what's using almost 50% of my network usage? |
| 04:49.32 | jmspeex | OK, I guess I was a bit confused with the nature of the kde and kdeaddons packages |
| 04:49.52 | bob2 | I wonder why apt picked that |
| 04:50.01 | cafuego | bob2: it's smart. |
| 04:50.08 | bob2 | based on dependencies and such, you'd think kde and kdeaddons would win |
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| 04:50.16 | sussudio | !lose kdeaddons |
| 04:50.17 | dpkg | kdeaddons: You Lose. |
| 04:50.37 | alexander_ | bob2, thx |
| 04:50.50 | cafuego | bob2: A decent text editor is FAR more important than an ugly X desktop system. |
| 04:51.06 | Mardus | bob2: I don't have that ~/.xsession file in my home directory. |
| 04:51.16 | bob2 | Mardus: yes, you need to make it |
| 04:51.37 | Mardus | bob2: I knew I needed to make ~/.Xdefaults |
| 04:51.45 | jmspeex | cafuego: I'd agree with you if they hadn't screwed up gnome when moving to version 2 :-( |
| 04:52.09 | bob2 | see |
| 04:52.12 | bob2 | gnome 2 is a state of mind |
| 04:52.27 | bob2 | you need to think of it as something that sits in the back ground and stays the hell out of your way |
| 04:52.27 | calin | WHat can I use to show me what's using almost 50% of my network usage? |
| 04:52.32 | calin | Please? |
| 04:52.35 | bob2 | rather than as a desktop which you constantly need to fiddle with |
| 04:52.44 | bob2 | calin: ? |
| 04:52.56 | bob2 | sudo netstat -pluant |
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| 04:53.06 | calin | I'm seeing nearly 50% network usage, been that way since boot, just wondering what it is so i can kill it |
| 04:53.22 | cafuego | jmspeex: There are more to choose from than KDE and Gnome. |
| 04:53.31 | calin | blackbox |
| 04:53.33 | calin | fluxbox |
| 04:53.34 | calin | wtf |
| 04:53.37 | CharlesBrown | Get xfce or fluxbox |
| 04:53.38 | jmspeex | bob2: As far as I'm concerned, gnome1 would have been perfect if it had AA fonts. |
| 04:53.40 | CharlesBrown | Those are the two best. |
| 04:53.41 | Mardus | jmspeex: twm |
| 04:53.42 | Nurbs_ | bob2: heh, which means that you can as well kill it, of course :) |
| 04:53.43 | CharlesBrown | That are light weight |
| 04:53.53 | CharlesBrown | gnome/kde suck ass |
| 04:53.55 | bob2 | haha best |
| 04:53.56 | CharlesBrown | bloated peices of shit |
| 04:54.02 | calin | errr etc* |
| 04:54.05 | cafuego | That said, Gnome 2.10 is a good step in the right direction |
| 04:54.05 | bob2 | CharlesBrown: #advocacy-trolling, kthx |
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| 04:54.10 | Mardus | calin: I didn't know wtf was a window manager. |
| 04:54.24 | calin | Mardus: hence the "errr... etc*" |
| 04:55.06 | jmspeex | Sometimes, I'm thinking that if I had time, I'd go back to fvwm2. As far as I'm concerned it's been the only WM to really get virtual desktops right. |
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| 04:55.21 | ahmad | hi |
| 04:55.29 | bob2 | meh, metacity does it ok |
| 04:55.35 | mud | i run gnome is it possible to try fluxbox without screwing up gnome? |
| 04:55.39 | bob2 | all I want are desktops I can switch between with ctrl-fN |
| 04:55.46 | bob2 | mud: sure |
| 04:55.49 | jmspeex | cafuego: does gnome 2.10 change the stupid new file selector? |
| 04:55.49 | bob2 | mud: install fluxbox |
| 04:55.53 | bob2 | mud: go to a VT |
| 04:55.58 | cafuego | bob2: that's a matter of tweaking cfg files. |
| 04:56.01 | bob2 | mud: run "startx fluxbox -- :2" |
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| 04:56.08 | ahmad | i had a power outage, after which i cannot acces some directories on my external disk. What can i do??? i need help |
| 04:56.11 | cafuego | jmspeex: Stupid new file selector? |
| 04:56.11 | bob2 | cafuego: in gnome? it was all throu the gui |
| 04:56.17 | mud | bob2: awesome thx |
| 04:56.25 | jmspeex | bob2: can metacity allow you to have a window that occupies more than one virtual desktop? |
| 04:56.31 | bob2 | mud: ctrl-alt-f1 to get back to it |
| 04:56.32 | bob2 | jmspeex: yes |
| 04:56.33 | cafuego | bob2: The window manager should handle it in any case |
| 04:56.38 | bob2 | cafuego: yeah, it does |
| 04:56.44 | Mardus | Ah, so bob2, thanks for advice. Have to leave for an "excuse me pause", I think. |
| 04:56.47 | wo-path | anyone seen anything like this happing without warning on woody: |
| 04:56.54 | jmspeex | cafuego: Stupid as it takes forever to scan my home directory and I can no longer just paste a path in it. |
| 04:56.56 | wo-path | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 04:56.56 | wo-path | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. |
| 04:56.56 | wo-path | dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH. |
| 04:56.56 | wo-path | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 04:56.56 | wo-path | dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
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| 04:56.58 | bob2 | ahmad: sure the disk isn't just trashed? |
| 04:57.05 | jmspeex | bob2: how? |
| 04:57.05 | calin | haha |
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| 04:57.13 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 04:57.24 | cafuego | jmspeex: yeah, don't appear to be able to type a path. Dunno about scanning home directories. |
| 04:57.25 | bob2 | wo-path: you broke root's path |
| 04:57.27 | bob2 | wo-path: fix it |
| 04:57.34 | ahmad | bob2: most files are ok, but some directories have ? instead of d in "ls -l" output |
| 04:57.35 | bob2 | wo-path: ie, don't touch it in future |
| 04:57.36 | loliveira | alguem do brasil? |
| 04:57.42 | cafuego | !br |
| 04:57.42 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:57.43 | jetscreamer | dpkg --compare-versions borked something also in tonight's sid update |
| 04:57.45 | wo-path | how did I break roots path? |
| 04:57.45 | simonrvn | @br |
| 04:57.46 | ahmad | bob2: i ran fsck, but nothing happened |
| 04:57.47 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, br is Brazil |
| 04:57.51 | jmspeex | Another annoyance in gnome 2 is the panel auto-hide which takes far too long to respond when you want it back. |
| 04:57.54 | bob2 | wo-path: I don't know what you did |
| 04:57.57 | cafuego | @misconfigured |
| 04:58.02 | loliveira | #debian-br |
| 04:58.04 | wo-path | I didn't do anything |
| 04:58.04 | bob2 | jmspeex: right click, "always on visible workspace" |
| 04:58.08 | jetscreamer | jmspeex: is that after you adjusted the speed? |
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| 04:58.14 | bob2 | jmspeex: if you want it on some but not all, you need devilspie, iirc |
| 04:58.17 | cafuego | loliveira: /join #debian-br |
| 04:58.22 | bob2 | wo-path: well, someone did |
| 04:58.29 | wo-path | (am new to debian and have been very careful) |
| 04:58.35 | bob2 | wo-path: look in /etc/profile |
| 04:58.37 | jamuraa | anyone know how to setup exim4 so it accepts realuser-*@domain.com as user realuser@domain.com? |
| 04:58.38 | jmspeex | bob2: another thing that sucks in metacity is the edge scrolling. I used to be able (sawfish, enlightenment) to use that and the panel autohide working together. |
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| 04:58.42 | bob2 | wo-path: also, how are you running dpkg? |
| 04:58.49 | wo-path | apt-get |
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| 04:58.53 | jetscreamer | so use sawfish |
| 04:59.05 | bob2 | jmspeex: see, I don't use the mouse anymore (much), so I don't care about that sort of thing |
| 04:59.19 | bob2 | jmspeex: metacity isn't supposed to be superlett like sawfish was (which I used), but it just gets the job done |
| 04:59.30 | TBBle | If I run ifup eth0=pxe, do I expect to end up with an interface called eth0 or pxe? |
| 04:59.31 | jmspeex | bob2: That's not what I meant. I mean that I can have the left part of my window on one desktop and the right part on the next desktop. |
| 04:59.41 | ahmad | bob2: what can i do?? |
| 04:59.46 | cafuego | TBBle: No, you got that all wrong. |
| 04:59.54 | jetscreamer | ahmad is a poet |
| 04:59.55 | bob2 | ahmad: restore backups? I don't know what you want... |
| 04:59.57 | TBBle | I did? Oh boy. >_< |
| 05:00.05 | cafuego | TBBle: if you use PXE, it's used BEFORE you even run Linux |
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| 05:00.08 | bob2 | jmspeex: oh, right |
| 05:00.13 | cafuego | TBBle: PXE is a netboot protocol. |
| 05:00.18 | bob2 | jmspeex: why would you want that? |
| 05:00.23 | thomas_adam | "Watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow..." :) |
| 05:00.26 | wo-path | could it be that a package wrote over my /etc/profile on install with apt-get? |
| 05:00.26 | TBBle | LOL. In this case, it's the interface cnofiguration for booting PXE machines for installtion. |
| 05:00.28 | cafuego | TBBle: if linux is running, just use 'ifup eth0' |
| 05:00.36 | TBBle | If I run ifup eth0=work, do I expect to end up with an interface called eth0 or pxe? |
| 05:00.37 | jmspeex | bob2: So what's the goal of replacing a good WM by one that gets the job done as long as you don't do X and don't do Y? |
| 05:00.42 | TBBle | If I run ifup eth0=work, do I expect to end up with an interface called eth0 or wor? |
| 05:00.45 | wo-path | PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games" |
| 05:00.46 | TBBle | Gah. |
| 05:00.48 | jetscreamer | moving to montana soon, gonna be a dental floss tycoon |
| 05:00.49 | bob2 | jmspeex: because 95% of people don't care |
| 05:00.53 | jmspeex | bob2: Sometimes, I want *huge* windows. |
| 05:00.55 | bob2 | wo-path: there you go, it's broken |
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| 05:01.03 | jetscreamer | use sawfish then |
| 05:01.09 | cafuego | TBBle: network interfaces are always called ethX (or pppX) |
| 05:01.11 | jetscreamer | what's the problem |
| 05:01.21 | jmspeex | bob2: Still, if 95% people don't care about a certain driver, does it mean it should be removed? |
| 05:01.21 | bob2 | wo-path: add :/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin to the end, inside the quotes |
| 05:01.26 | TBBle | That's what I thought. In which case Monday's ifupdown _did_ break logical interfaces. |
| 05:01.29 | bob2 | jmspeex: of course not |
| 05:01.30 | ahmad | i need to be able to access some directories that are not accessible anymore. they show up as files with type flag '?' |
| 05:01.43 | bob2 | ahmad: your disk is toasted, sorry |
| 05:01.47 | wo-path | thanks bob2... what could have changed it... I sure as hell didn't |
| 05:01.52 | bob2 | wo-path: I don't know |
| 05:01.52 | wo-path | and I am alone on this box |
| 05:01.53 | cafuego | TBBle: Well, some wifi cards are notable exceptions |
| 05:01.59 | wo-path | me and apt-get that is |
| 05:02.05 | cafuego | But they don't tend to support PXE, so that's a moot point. |
| 05:02.19 | jmspeex | jetscreamer: How can you adjust the speed of auto-hide? The setting's gone in gnome 2 AFAIK. |
| 05:02.27 | bob2 | jmspeex: people who care about that can use another wm |
| 05:02.29 | TBBle | The important point is, as of Monday, ifup eth0=work tries to 'ifconfig work IP up' instead of 'ifconfig eth0 IP up' |
| 05:02.44 | bob2 | jmspeex: I used to use sawfish with like 200 lines of rep code to make it do magic, and then I realised I didn't care |
| 05:02.45 | jetscreamer | it's in there iirc... not running gnome atm |
| 05:02.56 | jetscreamer | one of the desktop settings things |
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| 05:03.03 | kingsley | What's a good flavor of 2.6 kernels? |
| 05:03.09 | bob2 | jmspeex: if metacity isn't flexible enough for you, use something else with gnome |
| 05:03.11 | cafuego | kingsley: strawberry |
| 05:03.11 | jetscreamer | cherry |
| 05:03.17 | TBBle | Ignore "pxe". This is a sometimes PXE server, depending on how I bring up eth0. ^_^ |
| 05:03.23 | TBBle | Thanks. |
| 05:03.43 | cafuego | TBBle: Ok, you have several location configs? No idea how those are handled, never used those. |
| 05:03.44 | jmspeex | bob2: still, it doesn't solve the problem of the panel auto-hide and many other details, like the new file selector. |
| 05:03.58 | bob2 | jmspeex: sure, but again, no one cares |
| 05:04.00 | TBBle | cafuego: Yeah. Well, suffice it to say, they're broken. ^_^ |
| 05:04.04 | zignig | cafuego: can you get wifi cards with pxe ? |
| 05:04.07 | bob2 | jmspeex: were "no one" = 95% of people |
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| 05:04.46 | jmspeex | bob2: To give you an idea, I switched from KDE to gnome at version 0.13. I never liked KDE, but went back because I was too disgusted with gnome 2. |
| 05:05.04 | wo-path | apt-get remove telent |
| 05:05.11 | wo-path | telnet that is |
| 05:05.12 | nevyn | file selector. |
| 05:05.20 | jmspeex | bob2: If you remove all features that are unused by 95% of people, you end up annoying 95% of people. |
| 05:05.28 | guorke | which distribution are you like,gentoo,debian,or suse? |
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| 05:05.37 | wo-path | any other things that are good to get rid of? |
| 05:05.39 | bob2 | jmspeex: you really don't |
| 05:05.49 | nevyn | guorke: you don't think that's a silly question to ask here. |
| 05:05.53 | bob2 | jmspeex: also, bear in mind everyone in this channel is in the 95th geek percentile |
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| 05:05.54 | nevyn | bob2: I agree with jmspeex |
| 05:06.08 | bob2 | jmspeex: so even if every person here hates it, it still leaves billions of people who like it |
| 05:06.19 | nevyn | bob2: ah but do they? |
| 05:06.26 | bob2 | nevyn: I don't know |
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| 05:06.35 | bob2 | nevyn: my family would certainly prefer metacity to fv2m, tho |
| 05:06.51 | nevyn | bob2: it's easier to support and maintain.. but is that. really what free software should be about? |
| 05:07.12 | jmspeex | bob2: If geeks stops using gnome, it's not a good thing (who's doing to want to develop). |
| 05:07.21 | bob2 | jmspeex: sure, but tons of geeks do use it |
| 05:07.23 | cafuego | zignig: Very expensive ones, undoubtedly. |
| 05:07.25 | bob2 | and hack on it |
| 05:07.34 | bob2 | some of the smartest people I know are gnome hackers |
| 05:07.40 | karamelos | I need to free up memory to watch a video. Which light desktop environment you can recommend? |
| 05:07.40 | nevyn | bob2: I feel that the commercial interests (ximian/novell, rh, sun) have hijacked gnome and ruined what was a respectable desktop at 1.6 |
| 05:07.43 | bob2 | nevyn: I don't know |
| 05:08.06 | bob2 | nevyn: but I don't htink it matters, there are thousands of other window managers to choose from, and dozens of desktops |
| 05:08.11 | nevyn | sure. |
| 05:08.19 | cafuego | nevyn: I've found it has turned into a simplied, less cluttered desktop system that i actually enjoy using now. |
| 05:08.31 | wo-path | bob2: thanks, that worked great |
| 05:08.32 | bob2 | nevyn: hm, I think I disagree |
| 05:08.37 | bob2 | tho I used to think gnome 2 was crap |
| 05:08.41 | nevyn | cafuego: clearly we want different things from a desktop. |
| 05:08.45 | bob2 | but as of 2.8 or so, I quite enjoy it |
| 05:08.51 | jmspeex | bob2: Still I don't get this sort of idea that everything that isn't used by newbies should be removed. I mean, what's the problem with keeping it there? It was already there in gnome 1. |
| 05:09.07 | bob2 | nevyn: see, but that's the awesome thing...we can all have desktops we love :) |
| 05:09.07 | cafuego | nevyn: if it managed windows with non-ugly widgets, I'm happy. |
| 05:09.10 | shingouz | karamelos: try fluxbox or xfce |
| 05:09.11 | nevyn | I tried using it.. really I did. but the lack of window magnetism and that file dialog just.. ewww. |
| 05:09.24 | bob2 | jmspeex: sure |
| 05:09.26 | jmspeex | bob2: Also, are you telling me you never paste a path in a file selector box? That's just for geeks? |
| 05:09.29 | bob2 | jmspeex: which is why they didn't |
| 05:09.36 | bob2 | jmspeex: they just moved some of it to gconf |
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| 05:09.43 | bob2 | ie to a config file |
| 05:09.49 | cafuego | jmspeex: I never paste paths, i edit files from the cmdline. X is far too slow for that. |
| 05:09.50 | zignig | cafuego: yah , pci wireless cards might, that would be cool. |
| 05:09.52 | nevyn | jmspeex: you press ctrl-l and get a typing bar. but it still sucks |
| 05:09.54 | bob2 | jmspeex: hrm, I don't think that's very geek like |
| 05:10.09 | bob2 | jmspeex: but I don't actually recall ever doing it, to be honest, I very very rarely use the file dialog |
| 05:10.19 | bob2 | jmspeex: does pasting paths into the file selector not work? |
| 05:10.20 | karamelos | shingouz, will those desktops be added to gdm options after I install them? |
| 05:10.30 | jetscreamer | jmspeex: if you didn't find it, /apps/panel/default_setup/toplevels/bottom_panel/hide_delay |
| 05:10.31 | slartibartfast | Does anyone know a command that may append one wav file to another? |
| 05:10.36 | shingouz | karamelos: no idea, i do not use any dm here |
| 05:11.02 | jmspeex | bob2: It doesn't work. I use it all the time to attach files in evolution. |
| 05:11.06 | bob2 | slartibartfast: sox can do that |
| 05:11.09 | kingsley | What's better: 2.6.8 or 2.6.10? |
| 05:11.14 | jetscreamer | 2.2 |
| 05:11.15 | bob2 | kingsley: neither |
| 05:11.17 | karamelos | shingouz, do you know a way to watch an avi video from a terminal? |
| 05:11.21 | slartibartfast | bob2: thanks |
| 05:11.26 | spoofer | karamelos: yes for xfce for fluxbox I guess |
| 05:11.26 | jetscreamer | mplayer karamelos |
| 05:11.27 | jmspeex | jethro: it's not the hide time, it's the show time. it takes a full second to come back when I put my mouse over it. |
| 05:11.40 | cafuego | kingsley: 2.6.8 and 2.6.10 are both old and have been superseded. |
| 05:11.47 | shingouz | karamelos: mplayer can do it |
| 05:11.58 | jetscreamer | lame box |
| 05:12.00 | karamelos | will try then, thanks |
| 05:12.04 | bob2 | jmspeex: did you file a bug asking for it to be configurable? |
| 05:12.10 | shingouz | karamelos: mplayer -vo caca foo.avi |
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| 05:12.36 | jmspeex | cafuego: Another thing that sucks with the new selector is that it can take close to a minute just to start up because it has to scan my home directory, which happens to have about a thousand files in it. |
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| 05:12.43 | bob2 | jmspeex: ah, you're right, you can't paste into the 2.10 one |
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| 05:12.47 | Enolayale | problem - |
| 05:12.52 | Enolayale | yale@3[~]$ /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 05:12.53 | Enolayale | Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdCould not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 05:12.56 | Enolayale | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key |
| 05:12.58 | slartibartfast | bob2: wow sox looks powerful |
| 05:12.59 | Enolayale | Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key |
| 05:13.00 | karamelos | shingouz, "caca" is an mplayer argument? |
| 05:13.00 | cafuego | jmspeex: You must have a wee slow harddisk then. |
| 05:13.03 | Enolayale | sshd: no hostkeys available -- exiting. |
| 05:13.23 | bob2 | Enolayale: dpkg -P ssh ; apt-get install ssh |
| 05:13.24 | shingouz | karamelos: yes, it is an ascii library that displays the stuff in pure ascii |
| 05:13.32 | shingouz | karamelos: man mplayer |
| 05:13.36 | jmspeex | bob2: I used to send a few requests and was told that nobody cared about my wishes. Also, there were so many annoyances in gnome 2 that I just gave up. |
| 05:13.44 | bob2 | jmspeex: told that by who? |
| 05:13.58 | bob2 | jmspeex: but anyway, if you don't like gnome, that's fine, you want something else from a desktop |
| 05:14.07 | bob2 | my point was just that lots of people *do* like it |
| 05:14.12 | Enolayale | root@4[yale]# dpkg -P ssh |
| 05:14.12 | Enolayale | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of ssh: |
| 05:14.12 | Enolayale | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.12 | Enolayale | dpkg: error processing ssh (--purge): |
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| 05:14.22 | jmspeex | cafuego: I have a laptop with a 4200 rpm drive and it's kinda full atm. |
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| 05:14.41 | jetscreamer | mplayer /path/to/blah.avi -vo svga |
| 05:14.47 | cafuego | jmspeex: and you expect that to be fast? sheesh |
| 05:15.14 | Solet | durring debian install how long should the disk check take to go through a 15 gig partition using a p4 @ 1.8gHz? |
| 05:15.23 | jetscreamer | not very |
| 05:15.25 | jmspeex | bob2: What annoys me is that I *used* to like gnome, I still like the look of it, I use many gnome apps, and I'm maintainer of a gnome app. I'm just very unhappy with how it's going. |
| 05:15.44 | bob2 | Solet: go make some tea |
| 05:15.56 | jmspeex | cafuego: The previous file selector was ugly, but at least it worked. |
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| 05:16.30 | Solet | bob2: how big of a cup? (seriously... am i looking at over 2 hours?) |
| 05:16.40 | cafuego | jmspeex: fork it! |
| 05:16.42 | bob2 | Solet: depends how slow the disk is |
| 05:16.47 | bob2 | Solet: shouldn't take that long |
| 05:17.01 | jmspeex | bob2: I don't recall who, that was around 2 years ago I think. |
| 05:17.26 | jmspeex | cafuego: very funny. |
| 05:17.33 | cafuego | jmspeex: No, seriously. |
| 05:17.58 | jmspeex | cafuego: I think my development time is far more valuable when spent on Speex... |
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| 05:18.18 | bob2 | jmspeex: you're not the speex-xmms author, are you? |
| 05:18.30 | bob2 | speex is awesome |
| 05:18.34 | bob2 | wish my iaudio could play it |
| 05:18.47 | jmspeex | bob2: I'm the Speex author, but I have nothing to do with speex-xmms |
| 05:18.52 | bob2 | jmspeex: ah, ok |
| 05:18.54 | zignig | jmspeex: good work on speex , great for voip. |
| 05:19.02 | jmspeex | thanks |
| 05:19.07 | bob2 | yeah, thanks :)( |
| 05:19.12 | bob2 | er, s/($// |
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| 05:19.55 | jmspeex | ...and I would think I'm listening a bit more to my users than the gnome development team ;-) |
| 05:20.28 | calin | I have a program or something eating up about 25-30% of my network usage, I found the program iptraf, and have been watching it, but i'm clueless -.- |
| 05:20.33 | simonrvn | ruby script layout is very different from python or perl. syntax is similar to perl, but i'm lost |
| 05:20.44 | Solet | hey anyone know whats a good package for invoicing/billing/client management/book keeping? |
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| 05:21.42 | cafuego | Solet: Probably some web based CRM thing. there's a few of those about these days. |
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| 05:21.52 | guestish | O_O |
| 05:22.00 | guestish | im lost too |
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| 05:23.42 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 05:23.46 | Mardus | Again. |
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| 05:24.19 | guestish | hi, again, Mardus |
| 05:24.19 | Solet | cafuego: is the package name 'CRM'? |
| 05:24.33 | Tweak`TG-Owner | hi all, does anybody know of a way to test my hard drives speed? I feel as though its dieing. :0( |
| 05:24.57 | guestish | Tweak`TG-Owner: hdparm |
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| 05:25.12 | jm_ | bonnie++ |
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| 05:25.33 | Tweak`TG-Owner | ok thanks I will try it when the install is done. It took 15 mins for it to put ext3 on a 80 gb hard drive. (its a new amd 64 system) I didnt feel that was normal. |
| 05:25.50 | Mardus | bob2: I created the .Xsession file and it has these lines: xmodmap /home/myname/.Xmodmap and then carriage return. When I restarted x and when I attempt to log in, x apparently logs me in, but then suddently restarts and presents me with the same login window. |
| 05:26.04 | jm_ | ahh no, that might be because it wasn't running in a fast mode - i.e. if kernel doesn't support your IDE chipset or if drivers for it were not loaded |
| 05:26.05 | guestish | depends what you are doing i suppose |
| 05:26.07 | Mardus | * suddenly |
| 05:26.11 | jm_ | 15mins is not too bad |
| 05:26.40 | bob2 | Mardus: lower-case x |
| 05:26.48 | bob2 | Mardus: and the line after that has to run your WM |
| 05:27.02 | jm_ | Don't worry about it until you install proper kernel and load the right IDE drivers, then test it again |
| 05:27.03 | Tweak`TG-Owner | jm_ oh really? I dont remember it EVER taking that long before, i just remember blink blink done before. |
| 05:27.22 | Mardus | bob2: .xsession, then? The line after that could be twm, which is all I have. |
| 05:27.27 | Tweak`TG-Owner | jm_ ok im doing a sarge netinstall so its taking a few mins to download. |
| 05:27.30 | bob2 | this chocolate slice is indescribably delicious |
| 05:27.33 | jm_ | Tweak`TG-Owner: it asks you wheteher you want to run mkfs -c or not, the one with -c takes much longer |
| 05:27.46 | Tweak`TG-Owner | apic error on cpu0: 40(40) ? |
| 05:27.49 | jm_ | Tweak`TG-Owner: maybe Sarge doesn't ask that anymore so it always takes longer |
| 05:27.54 | egcs | jm_: hi |
| 05:28.10 | jm_ | egcs: hello |
| 05:28.21 | Tweak`TG-Owner | jm_ it didnt ask me, it just had it auto do partitioning. |
| 05:28.21 | Mardus | bob2: I just ate liqorice. |
| 05:28.33 | bob2 | with extra liquor? ;) |
| 05:28.50 | xsdg | how do I tell mplayer that the file on stdin is an ogg/vorbis? |
| 05:28.54 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.03 | bob2 | xmodmap /home/blah/.Xmodmap |
| 05:29.04 | jm_ | Tweak`TG-Owner: wait till install is done, then install one of the kernel images and check how it works |
| 05:29.05 | bob2 | exec twm |
| 05:29.05 | Solet | almost half done.. running for about 40 mins... (stupid me for letting it 'check the disk') |
| 05:29.06 | jmspeex | bob2: You mentioned speex-xmms... If you know anyone that would like to take over mainainership, please let me know. |
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| 05:29.10 | Mardus | bob2: It's said that liquorice lowers people's libido |
| 05:29.28 | Tweak`TG-Owner | jm_ aighty thanks. dont run the thing they said right when I got in? |
| 05:29.29 | Mardus | bob2: the xmodmap line is correct |
| 05:29.36 | SigurRos | calin: hey, whats up? |
| 05:29.42 | Tweak`TG-Owner | the hdparm ? |
| 05:29.43 | jm_ | Tweak`TG-Owner: naah, run it later when IDE drivers are loaded |
| 05:29.46 | xsdg | bob2: moo |
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| 05:29.54 | bob2 | xsdg: aloha |
| 05:29.57 | calin | SigurRos: Nothing much |
| 05:30.22 | cafuego | haha |
| 05:30.27 | calin | SigurRos: Don't /msg me, it's annoyying |
| 05:30.36 | simonrvn | xsdg: hey |
| 05:30.42 | SigurRos | calin: how come? |
| 05:30.45 | xsdg | simonrvn: hey |
| 05:30.50 | SigurRos | xsdg: whats is up my homie?! |
| 05:30.52 | bob2 | cafuego: whatareya? |
| 05:31.00 | calin | SigurRos: Because it opens the windows and goes straight to it while I'm typing in another channel |
| 05:31.10 | Mardus | bob2: X works now. Gonna test how my mouse settings work. |
| 05:31.11 | cafuego | bob2: all homeboys are dickheads |
| 05:31.12 | calin | SigurRos: Plus I just dun like being /msgd |
| 05:31.16 | bob2 | jmspeex: ah, the dude gave up on it? |
| 05:31.19 | Tweak`TG-Owner | jm_ may I ask you some more questions? |
| 05:31.25 | bob2 | jmspeex: I've been emailing him about a new release for like 18 months now |
| 05:31.41 | Mardus | bob2: No effect so far. |
| 05:31.41 | jmspeex | bob2: Seems like it, I haven't heard from him in a long time. |
| 05:31.41 | xsdg | any ideas about my mplayer question? |
| 05:31.45 | bob2 | cafuego: hah |
| 05:31.49 | SigurRos | calin: whats crackalackin in h-town? |
| 05:32.03 | Tweak`TG-Owner | jm_ what is apic? and is there any problem booting noapic? im getting some apic errors on cpu0 40(40) |
| 05:32.07 | jm_ | Tweak`TG-Owner: /msg dpkg ask |
| 05:32.11 | mccbaka | wait |
| 05:32.12 | calin | SigurRos: eh, night time =]. 12:30 am, but i slept from 6:30 this afternoon till 11:30 |
| 05:32.13 | mccbaka | that's not true at all |
| 05:32.16 | mccbaka | i miss the mexican food in h-town |
| 05:32.20 | jm_ | Tweak`TG-Owner: Advanced Programmabale Interrupt Controller |
| 05:32.22 | mccbaka | the rest i can live without |
| 05:32.28 | peterS | Tweak`TG-Owner: apic errors are *usually* harmless. unless you notice other problems at the same time |
| 05:32.34 | SigurRos | calin: word. what u do these days? |
| 05:32.48 | jm_ | Tweak`TG-Owner: it's usually harmless and you can indeed boot with noapic without any harm |
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| 05:32.49 | bob2 | jmspeex: "dagobah" (some guy from Perth) did some work on it, maybe he'd be interested in taking it over |
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| 05:33.05 | cat | stupid connection |
| 05:33.12 | Feldon | Noob question, What is exim used for? Can I safely apt-get remove it? |
| 05:33.20 | cat | Feldon, nope |
| 05:33.21 | cat | !exim |
| 05:33.21 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 05:33.26 | jmspeex | bob2: Did he put his new version online? |
| 05:33.30 | jm_ | Tweak`TG-Owner: I always disable APIC in my kernels, it's mostly needed only for people with SMP systems |
| 05:33.31 | calin | SigurRos: Smoke pot, program, manage my debian/windows system, etc |
| 05:33.40 | calin | !postfix |
| 05:33.40 | dpkg | hmm... postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org , or #postfix |
| 05:33.41 | SigurRos | calin: homegrown? |
| 05:33.52 | calin | SigurRos: nah, shitty mexican weed |
| 05:33.58 | bob2 | jmspeex: "Bernard Blackham" |
| 05:34.01 | Tweak`TG-Owner | ok thanks jm_ your very helpfull. |
| 05:34.05 | Feldon | cat: and if I don't use an email program? |
| 05:34.09 | zignig | calin: good plan my man. |
| 05:34.12 | calin | Feldon: you must |
| 05:34.16 | calin | SigurRos: wish i were in california |
| 05:34.21 | bob2 | jmspeex: this was back in the 0.6.0-days |
| 05:34.21 | SigurRos | calin: why is that |
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| 05:34.40 | calin | I got a nephew there, says the weed is awesome, he's guna get me some when he visits here |
| 05:34.43 | Feldon | calin: I use webmail |
| 05:35.02 | calin | Feldon: you have to have an mta, even if you don't host email |
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| 05:35.11 | mtnman | feldon: a unix system is considered broken if it does not have an mta installed. the system will send you messages periodically. |
| 05:35.12 | Feldon | calin: gotcha, thanks |
| 05:35.15 | calin | Feldon: it's defaultly configured to route only internal mail |
| 05:35.43 | calin | I, myself, host my own email addy, it's fun and crazy |
| 05:35.49 | SigurRos | calin: weed here makes you gay |
| 05:35.57 | cat | lol, |
| 05:36.01 | jablko | i put experimental sources in sources.list - how do I use apt-cache to get info on packages in experimental (since packages.debian.org is down : ( |
| 05:36.05 | Mardus | SigurRos: here where? |
| 05:36.05 | cat | weed is stupid, and it makes you stupid |
| 05:36.13 | SigurRos | Mardus: here |
| 05:36.23 | SigurRos | !w33d |
| 05:36.25 | mtnman | jablko: tried man apt-cache? |
| 05:36.27 | Mardus | SigurRos: here in #debian? |
| 05:36.29 | SigurRos | !weed |
| 05:36.33 | calin | cat: which is why I'm a certified cisco network admin? |
| 05:36.33 | carrett | hi, i currently have my mp3 directory so that every file is located at ~/mp3/{Artist}/{Album}/{Track} ... is there some way i can automatically change the tags so they are based on this organization? |
| 05:36.38 | jablko | mtnman: : ) - yeah |
| 05:36.44 | SigurRos | Mardus: lol |
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| 05:36.59 | jm_ | carrett: simple shell script with the help of basename and dirname will do |
| 05:36.59 | jablko | no distribution option - can't find a -o options |
| 05:37.09 | carrett | jm_: for editing id3 tags? how? |
| 05:37.29 | calin | jablko: shell script and a console id3 tag editor |
| 05:37.31 | asuffield | carraca: id3v2 |
| 05:37.58 | Mardus | SigurRos: I've only seen straight people who have (admittedly or via rumour) had weed. |
| 05:38.00 | Tweak`TG-Owner | wow jm_ I just found something crazy. |
| 05:38.21 | Tweak`TG-Owner | jm_ iI went into top and my idle is 50% all the time, and my si, is 50% ... what is si? |
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| 05:38.54 | SigurRos | Mardus: thats cuz the weed makes u gay then u stop smokin weed and start smoking doodz poles |
| 05:39.09 | peterS | SigurRos: please stop. this is off-topic. |
| 05:39.12 | calin | hahaha |
| 05:39.17 | peterS | Mardus: you too |
| 05:39.21 | mtnman | siguros: not to mention disgusting. |
| 05:39.27 | calin | SigurRos: Texas' pot scene is fairly underground |
| 05:39.38 | calin | we can't find any swag here anymore, just hydro |
| 05:39.46 | SigurRos | ha |
| 05:39.51 | calin | Tweak`TG-Owner: there is no `si` |
| 05:39.53 | Mardus | SigurRos: I am gay without having had any weed. |
| 05:39.56 | calin | not in the apt repository |
| 05:40.07 | calin | Mardus: I'm bi, didn't need weed fo rthat |
| 05:40.09 | SigurRos | Mardus: do u smoke doodz polez? |
| 05:40.14 | SigurRos | im tri |
| 05:40.25 | xsdg | SigurRos, Mardus: please stop. |
| 05:40.26 | calin | SigurRos: you have the option for two sexes... |
| 05:40.30 | Tweak`TG-Owner | calin, in my top I have us, sy, ni, id, wa, hi and si |
| 05:40.33 | mtnman | is there an op in the house? |
| 05:40.35 | Mardus | SigurRos: Nah, I don't for quite some time. |
| 05:40.37 | Tweak`TG-Owner | on the top of top. Do you not? |
| 05:40.41 | xsdg | SigurRos, Mardus, calin: if you wish to continue, please do so in private. |
| 05:40.55 | calin | xsdg: you go it, but i do not plan to continue |
| 05:41.05 | mtnman | xsdg: in other words... "get a room" ? |
| 05:41.07 | Mardus | xsdg: How do I do a private in epic4? |
| 05:41.15 | SigurRos | Mardus and calin join #gaypolesmokerz |
| 05:41.26 | SigurRos | actually everyone join #gaypolesmokerz |
| 05:41.27 | calin | SigurRos: noone's there |
| 05:41.35 | SigurRos | calin: i am |
| 05:41.38 | Tweak`TG-Owner | calin am I crazy? |
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| 05:41.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 05:41.51 | calin | Tweak`TG-Owner: eh, no |
| 05:41.53 | mtnman | siguros: you can /j #homophobics |
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| 05:42.08 | mtnman | thanks bob2 |
| 05:42.09 | xsdg | bob2: reason :o) |
| 05:42.16 | calin | Tweak`TG-Owner: at the top of top is not the program |
| 05:42.18 | SigurRos | what up me homiez |
| 05:42.22 | SigurRos | anyone use apt-get? |
| 05:42.27 | bob2 | SigurRos: please? |
| 05:42.29 | calin | look under the white bar scross the 'top' screen |
| 05:42.31 | simonrvn | SigurRos: welcome to the /ignore list |
| 05:42.38 | bob2 | SigurRos: #idelrpg is a better place to go if you're bored |
| 05:42.41 | Tweak`TG-Owner | calin ? im so confused are you just spining me in circles? |
| 05:42.41 | calin | SigurRos: also /ignore |
| 05:42.54 | SigurRos | bob2: whats idelrpg? |
| 05:43.01 | calin | Tweak`TG-Owner: when you run `top` in a console, it shows a lot of text, and some of it moves? |
| 05:43.04 | bob2 | SigurRos: why don't you go see? |
| 05:43.09 | cafuego | SigurRos too |
| 05:43.17 | SigurRos | bob2: no one in #idelrpg |
| 05:43.23 | SigurRos | cafuego: lol |
| 05:43.33 | bob2 | SigurRos: what a shame |
| 05:43.37 | bob2 | SigurRos: anyway, please go away |
| 05:43.48 | Tweak`TG-Owner | calin yes and on the top of top, in the Cpu(s) row do you not have that stuff I said above? |
| 05:43.49 | SigurRos | bob2: no one in #idelrpg |
| 05:43.58 | bob2 | SigurRos: awesome |
| 05:44.00 | Tweak`TG-Owner | or are you running like woody? |
| 05:44.14 | calin | I have that stuff, I do not know what it means, but you can find out what program is eating up your cpu |
| 05:44.23 | MobyTurbo | SigurRos: so since 700 Debian users are here, that means you should come here and talk about anything you want? |
| 05:44.33 | Tweak`TG-Owner | calin non of them are |
| 05:44.37 | Tweak`TG-Owner | calin they are all dead 0 |
| 05:44.38 | SigurRos | MobyTurbo: do u use apt? |
| 05:44.43 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 05:44.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:44.48 | calin | Tweak`TG-Owner: not by that line though. there should be a white bar across the terminal, under which you'll find a list of program names |
| 05:44.50 | carrett | hey, when i type pwd .. or pwd ../../ it gives the same output as pwd why is that? |
| 05:44.58 | Tweak`TG-Owner | but something is wrong, I have my top to update every 3 seconds and its doing it every 1 second. |
| 05:45.01 | carrett | how can i get the pwd of .. ? |
| 05:45.04 | bob2 | carrett: it doesn't take arguments |
| 05:45.04 | cafuego | SigurRos: Also, don't privmsg me. |
| 05:45.08 | bob2 | carrett: `pwd`/blah/ |
| 05:45.15 | Mardus | Tweak`TG-Owner: The ones that are eating out your cpu must be at the top or at least visible. Type u and then type your username. See if there's anything |
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| 05:45.26 | SigurRos | Coke: i snort u |
| 05:45.35 | Tweak`TG-Owner | Mardus, really its all dead 0 cpu usage |
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| 05:45.53 | Coke | Hello. No matter what I try, even dpkg-reconfigure localeconf, I still get en_GB where there should be C. How can I fix this? |
| 05:45.58 | Tweak`TG-Owner | I think this hard drive is buddy. :0( |
| 05:46.02 | Tweak`TG-Owner | buggy |
| 05:46.18 | bob2 | Coke: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:46.28 | Coke | bob2: I've generated sv_SE and en_US |
| 05:46.44 | bob2 | Coke: just set LANG to sv_SE, aiui |
| 05:46.48 | Coke | bob2: my /etc/environment says LANG=en_US, yet when I reboot I see LANG=en_GB |
| 05:46.53 | bob2 | Coke: e.g., edit /etc/environment |
| 05:46.53 | carrett | bob2: so... `pwd`.. ?? |
| 05:46.55 | bob2 | carrett: herm |
| 05:47.06 | bob2 | carrett: no, `pwd`/.. |
| 05:47.14 | Coke | bob2: found the problem |
| 05:47.41 | Coke | bob2: bash configs for another Linux dist where they, for some akward reason, put the locale settings in peoples .bashrc |
| 05:47.43 | Mardus | Tweak`TG-Owner: Well, at least some of the native Debian tools should be able to check for bad blocks. |
| 05:47.47 | carrett | bob2: no dice, that gave the normal output of pwd plus .. at the end |
| 05:47.50 | bob2 | Coke: ah |
| 05:47.52 | Coke | bob2: that's fugly |
| 05:47.58 | bob2 | carrett: yes, that's a valid path |
| 05:48.02 | Tweak`TG-Owner | mardus im trying a new hard drive |
| 05:48.38 | jablko | still trying to get experimental pacakge info while packages.d.o's down - "apt-cache -t experimental show postfix" - invalid argument / "apt-cache -o Apt::Default-Release=experimental show postfix" - no effect - still shows unstable : ( |
| 05:48.49 | carrett | bob2: ok. but let's say i'm in /usr/share/sounds and i want to get /usr/share (the string) |
| 05:48.51 | Mardus | Tweak`TG-Owner: Whatever pleases you. I'd opt for searching for bad blocks and then repartitioning and having a partition around the relatively clean area. |
| 05:48.57 | cafuego | yes, heaven forfend a user might want a locale that's not the system default. |
| 05:49.03 | bob2 | jablko: apt-cache show shows info for all known versions |
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| 05:49.43 | carrett | bob2: any way to do this? |
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| 05:49.50 | jablko | bob2: ? |
| 05:49.50 | xsdg | jablko: `apt-cache policy postfix` |
| 05:49.57 | jablko | bob2: shit - my bad |
| 05:50.01 | jablko | thx! |
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| 05:50.12 | jm_ | carrett: still here? |
| 05:50.23 | carrett | jm_: yeah |
| 05:50.28 | bob2 | carrett: pushd ; cd `pwd`/../ ; pwd ; popd |
| 05:50.39 | bob2 | or something equally nasty |
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| 05:51.12 | Coke | I'm rying to run kerberos 5, but after each login I have to do a "kinit" manually. What must I do to make the login do the kinit? I already have libpam-krb5 installed and /etc/pam.d/common-auth already specifies "auth sufficient pam_krb5.so". What else is needed? |
| 05:51.15 | bob2 | carrett: readlink -f `pwd`/../ |
| 05:51.26 | Tweak`TG-Owner | Mardus omg yeah this hard drive is tons better, how do I search for bad problems on this hard drive just to be sure? |
| 05:51.28 | peterS | carrett: or, dirname $(pwd) |
| 05:51.52 | jm_ | carrett: right, I use perl script to create a shell script which uses id3 command to tag the files, or vorbiscomment for oggs |
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| 05:52.13 | peterS | carrett: or, foo=$(cd ..; pwd) |
| 05:52.31 | calin | 212-555-4240 |
| 05:52.48 | peterS | calin: we aren't in the market for a good time, thanks anyway |
| 05:52.52 | Quag7 | heh |
| 05:53.07 | deanrantala_ | sorry to bug you all, but I was just curious in what order debians /etc/modules is read - is it read before or after pcmcia modules are detected and loaded? |
| 05:53.35 | cafuego | If this request is not successful please re-submit your request. |
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| 05:53.52 | Supaplex | poor gluck :( |
| 05:54.08 | Mardus | bob2: That damn mouse button is working again. |
| 05:54.09 | cafuego | Supaplex: They shoulda called it glück |
| 05:54.13 | bob2 | hah |
| 05:54.15 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 05:54.17 | zignig | hehe |
| 05:54.26 | Mardus | hehe |
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| 05:55.16 | Supaplex | anyway, how do I bug the bots for what pkg contains the file 'out' ? |
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| 05:55.45 | peterS | Supaplex: /msg dpkg find out |
| 05:55.58 | Zorton | is there a public key for the debian project/ |
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| 05:56.09 | peterS | Supaplex: however, you might get a *few* false positives if you don't narrow down your search a bit |
| 05:56.20 | peterS | Zorton: yes, different ones for different purposes |
| 05:56.27 | Feldon | When I apt-get install exim I'm getting an error... hostname: unknown host, hostname -fqdn gave non-zero exit code 256, dpkg: error processing exim (--configure). Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 05:56.29 | peterS | Zorton: what did you want to check about debian? |
| 05:56.39 | Zorton | peterS: guess i'm looking for the one needed to verify Release.gpg files |
| 05:56.41 | Mardus | Tweak`TG-Owner: If you are actually going to install debian there, then before you format the hdd to ext3, the debian installer app (or its subroutine) also checks for bad blocks. |
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| 05:57.02 | Tweak`TG-Owner | k |
| 05:57.38 | vvlaw | hello,everybody ...last night, i installed the quake3 in my debian 3.0 |
| 05:57.46 | vvlaw | it's work great... |
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| 05:57.51 | Mardus | Tweak`TG-Owner: The bad block search is optional, I think. I installed this woody system in October or November last year in another computer and it worked fine. |
| 05:58.02 | vvlaw | but i can't find the local server :( |
| 05:58.03 | peterS | Zorton: http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2005.asc |
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| 05:58.22 | cat | can someone tell me how to put my own name on my kernel? |
| 05:58.27 | Tweak`TG-Owner | Mardus could you explain a simple way to boot with no apic? |
| 05:58.38 | Tweak`TG-Owner | npapic |
| 05:58.41 | bwlang | cat: make-kpkg --revision |
| 05:58.42 | Tweak`TG-Owner | arg u know what I maen |
| 05:58.58 | Mardus | Tweak`TG-Owner: The point being that I don't remember if it's optional or compulsory. I don't knw about apic or npapic, sorry. |
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| 05:59.24 | bwlang | anybody know how to query a drive to see if it is spinning? I have a backup drive that I say hdparm -y to after the backup is over... i'd like to check to see if it's spinning somehow? any ideas? |
| 05:59.29 | jm_ | cat: newer 2.6 kernel also have a setting in config section for this |
| 05:59.33 | Tweak`TG-Owner | Mardus ok thanks. |
| 05:59.43 | cat | jm_, i have 2.6 |
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| 05:59.50 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.12 | jm_ | cat: ahh that's a Debian kernel, you'll need to build your own to change it |
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| 06:00.41 | cat | do i need a stable one or unstable for sid? |
| 06:00.53 | jm_ | what do you mean? |
| 06:01.00 | cat | what kernel do i download? |
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| 06:01.19 | vvlaw | does anyone know that what's wrong i can't find the local server? |
| 06:01.19 | Dorado | how does one write the mbr with silo? |
| 06:01.33 | Mardus | bob2: If the room here has about 700 people, then how come I (or other people) see all this talk or chat going on? Meaning that if 700 people simultaneously chatted, then only someone like Spock from Trek would be able to read this. |
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| 06:01.54 | bob2 | Mardus: hm... |
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| 06:02.06 | bob2 | Mardus: I did find that this channel massively improved my speed reading ;) |
| 06:02.08 | jm_ | you need kernel sources, but I wouldn't do this just to add your name - well I guess you could take Debian's kernel config and just change localversion string, and be done with it |
| 06:02.11 | bob2 | speed skimming, anyway |
| 06:02.16 | carrett | how do i set $dir to the output of basename "`pwd`" ? |
| 06:02.26 | carrett | sorry for all the lame bash questions |
| 06:02.35 | bob2 | carrett: cd `pwd` |
| 06:02.39 | bob2 | oh, the var itself |
| 06:02.43 | bob2 | dir=`pwd` |
| 06:03.00 | MobyTurbo | Mardus: it's a phenomenon called "lurking" I was a sysop back in the day and I had over a hundred users of my networked BBS but only less than a handful posted. |
| 06:03.07 | carrett | but i want dir to be the output of basename "`pwd`" |
| 06:03.08 | Mardus | bob2: Yea, same thought. Maybe it also helps to imrove people's ability to separate important from the unimportant stuff. |
| 06:03.14 | bob2 | heh |
| 06:03.18 | jm_ | no dir=$(basename $(pwd)) |
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| 06:03.23 | bob2 | carrett: dir=$(basename $(pwd)) |
| 06:03.50 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: Oh. |
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| 06:04.59 | trentbuck | jm_: that should be quoted: dir="$(basename "$(pwd)")" |
| 06:05.08 | jm_ | trentbuck: not really no |
| 06:05.09 | carrett | thanks |
| 06:05.24 | Jean-Luc | Good morning |
| 06:05.24 | trentbuck | jm_: Why not? Do you know the wd doesn't contain whitespace? |
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| 06:06.02 | jm_ | trentbuck: the pwd part should be, the rest is OK |
| 06:06.08 | Mardus | bob2, MobyTurbo: So when something very much offtopic happens (such as the recent SigurRos incident), some the lurkers (not necessarily speaking for themselves) begin to complain aloud. |
| 06:06.21 | Mardus | +of |
| 06:07.18 | trentbuck | I have a fresh Sarge install. On the console, the Alt key does alt. |
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| 06:07.39 | trentbuck | But in an xterm, Alt acts like AltGr -- I get accented chars. |
| 06:07.57 | bob2 | Mardus: right |
| 06:08.03 | trentbuck | To e.g. move forward a word, I need ESC f instead of alt+f. |
| 06:08.13 | trentbuck | Anybody know how to fix that? |
| 06:08.20 | bob2 | er |
| 06:08.29 | bob2 | bash expects meta-f to move forward |
| 06:08.33 | bob2 | so you need to make alt be meta |
| 06:08.37 | bob2 | use xkeycaps or so |
| 06:08.45 | trentbuck | bob2: With xmodmap, yes? |
| 06:08.58 | bob2 | right |
| 06:09.01 | bob2 | xkeycaps is a gui for it |
| 06:09.04 | Mardus | bob2: Although the mouse button is working, the remapping is not for some reason. Do you hold likely tha it's probably overriden by some global setting? |
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| 06:09.20 | bob2 | I'd doubg it, but that sort of thing is not something I know much about |
| 06:09.28 | apoth | hi all! |
| 06:09.34 | Mardus | bob2: Ok. |
| 06:09.45 | apoth | please help me! |
| 06:10.21 | Jean-Luc | Hi apoth! |
| 06:10.30 | apoth | hi jean-luc |
| 06:10.57 | apoth | i can configure my ethernet adaptor |
| 06:11.19 | apoth | i dont know how to work it |
| 06:11.29 | cat | can i download a kernel? source and then changed the name to it? |
| 06:11.42 | Mardus | apoth: You mean, you can't configure it? |
| 06:11.43 | bob2 | cat: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:11.52 | jm_ | trentbuck: XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true |
| 06:11.52 | cat | bob2, changed my kernels name |
| 06:12.00 | Jean-Luc | apoth: what do you mean with configure? |
| 06:12.12 | jm_ | trentbuck: sometiems left windows key is configured as meta if you have it |
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| 06:12.29 | apoth | ifconfig is working but i can put the settings to etc/networking/ifconfig |
| 06:12.31 | jm_ | or just xmodmap -e "keysym Alt_L = Meta_L Alt_L" |
| 06:12.39 | jm_ | that's in irssi docs btw |
| 06:12.43 | cat | that's what i want to do bob2 |
| 06:12.47 | bob2 | cat: why? |
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| 06:13.02 | cat | i need to learn it, for my homework tomorrow, |
| 06:13.07 | cat | is a programming class with Linux |
| 06:13.19 | jm_ | apoth: it's called interfaces -- man interfaces ; cd /usr/share/doc/ifupdown and read |
| 06:13.28 | jm_ | apoth: or use etherconf |
| 06:13.29 | Jean-Luc | apoth: what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:13.36 | apoth | thank you |
| 06:13.39 | Mardus | Ohh, sorry think that MobyTurbo left. I wished to ask him what year was his "back in the day when he was a sysop running a BBS".... |
| 06:13.41 | apoth | i test it |
| 06:13.45 | Mardus | * thing |
| 06:14.13 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 06:14.23 | cat | that's why bob2 |
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| 06:15.37 | carrett | how do i input a file and get out what directory it's in? |
| 06:15.49 | Mardus | cat: I'd look for any previously written down material, like google for "download rename linux kernel debian" |
| 06:16.10 | bob2 | cat: name as in? |
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| 06:16.20 | bob2 | cat: the file name of the kernel image? the name "uname -r" reports? |
| 06:16.22 | Mardus | carrett: find -name writefilenamehere |
| 06:16.30 | cat | yeah bob2 |
| 06:16.36 | bob2 | er |
| 06:16.41 | bob2 | cat: that's two questions |
| 06:16.48 | Mardus | carrett: I did a mistake. Do find / -name writefilenamehere |
| 06:16.50 | cat | it is? |
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| 06:17.19 | bob2 | 16:16:20 bob2 | cat: the file name of the kernel image? the name "uname -r" reports? |
| 06:17.42 | carrett | Mardus: no, just the directory, not the location of the file...so like if i input /boot/vmlinuz i want to get /boot/ |
| 06:17.48 | Jean-Luc | carrtet: if you have the locate package (or better dlocate), type locate <filename> |
| 06:17.50 | cat | changed the file name of the kernel image so when i do uname -r to show me my kernels name like what i want to put on the kernel |
| 06:18.26 | bob2 | cat: those are two different things |
| 06:18.30 | Mardus | carrett: You want to find in which directory vmlinuz is? |
| 06:18.31 | bob2 | cat: you need to find out which you're supposed to do |
| 06:18.32 | C17H21NO4 | I have this problem with a user and pure-ftpd, His connection is a combination of 4 ip addresses. So he logs in on the control port, but tries to connect to the data port with a different ip. If he keeps trying eventually he will use the same ip and the transfer will happen. This didn't seem to be a problem for vsftpd, but I would rather find a solution for pure-ftpd. |
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| 06:19.00 | cat | bob2, changed the kernels image name |
| 06:19.17 | bob2 | cat: you're still not being clear |
| 06:19.17 | carrett | Mardus: no, i'm writing a shell script. i want to be able to input a file and get out the directory in which it is located. like i type in "myscript.sh /usr/share/somefile" and get out /usr/share |
| 06:19.31 | bob2 | cat: do you mean the filename or the name "uname -r" prints out? |
| 06:19.35 | cafuego | Oh look, it a 10GB hdd. |
| 06:19.48 | cat | yeah bob2 |
| 06:19.59 | cat | the uname -r that prints out |
| 06:20.01 | bob2 | fhdsalkjfh |
| 06:20.01 | Mardus | carrett: I'm too noob to help you with that. Sorry. |
| 06:20.05 | bob2 | cat: ok then |
| 06:20.11 | bob2 | cat: what do you need to change it to? |
| 06:20.12 | cat | 2.6.8-1-386 prints out that i want to changed the name of that |
| 06:20.23 | trentbuck | bob2, jm_: remapping alt to meta didn't help. do I need "add modN = Meta_L Meta_R"? |
| 06:20.23 | cafuego | C17H21NO4: The problem is the remote user. tell him to get his ftp client to not use multiple IPs. |
| 06:20.36 | cat | they told me to changed it to comptech2.6.3.51 |
| 06:20.47 | C17H21NO4 | cafuego: It's not his client, it's his provider. |
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| 06:20.58 | jm_ | trentbuck: see above, I mentioned several things related to this |
| 06:21.08 | cafuego | C17H21NO4: they push him through 4 varying proxies or something? |
| 06:21.10 | leikh | i grep a number from a file, but then i want to raise this number with the value of 100 and write it to a new file. what's the regex for this? |
| 06:21.20 | Mardus | cafuego: lol |
| 06:21.38 | bob2 | cat: apt-get source kernel-source-2.6.8-1 |
| 06:21.39 | trentbuck | jm_: Ah, sorry. |
| 06:21.41 | jm_ | carrett: did you read ABS? |
| 06:21.43 | dondelelcaro | leikh: "raise this number with the value of 100?" |
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| 06:21.57 | cat | E: Unable to find a source package for kernel-source-2.6.8-1 |
| 06:22.00 | carrett | jm_: you mean on tldp? |
| 06:22.01 | bob2 | cat: that will drop it in /usr/src/. untar that somewqhere (in ~/ is fine) |
| 06:22.02 | C17H21NO4 | cafuego: Something like that, I don't really know what exactly they do. |
| 06:22.04 | jm_ | carrett: yup |
| 06:22.13 | trentbuck | jm_: XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true fixed it, thanks. |
| 06:22.14 | carrett | jm_: no...ok ok i'll go do my homework |
| 06:22.17 | cafuego | C17H21NO4: *shudder* Ask him to disable the proxy. |
| 06:22.25 | cat | bob2, do i do it as root or normal user? |
| 06:22.33 | bob2 | cat: er, sorry |
| 06:22.41 | jm_ | carrett: it's nice and will teach you the basics, $1 is the first argument to your script |
| 06:22.42 | bob2 | cat: sudo apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8-1 |
| 06:22.45 | bob2 | cat: that's as root. |
| 06:22.55 | cafuego | C17H21NO4: ... or use a non-shit ftp client. |
| 06:23.00 | cat | E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8-1 |
| 06:23.07 | jm_ | trentbuck: did you check if left windows key acts as a meta too? |
| 06:23.19 | bob2 | cat: you'll have to find the name for yourself then |
| 06:23.27 | cafuego | C17H21NO4: (or alternatively, switch to a non-shit ftp server <heh>) |
| 06:23.27 | C17H21NO4 | cafuego: He is not using a proxy on his end, it is done transparently at the router/switch. |
| 06:23.29 | bob2 | cat: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 |
| 06:23.35 | trentbuck | jm_: It certainly doesn't; I have it mapped to Super :-) |
| 06:23.39 | cafuego | C17H21NO4: What ftp client does he use? |
| 06:23.48 | C17H21NO4 | cafuego: flashFXP |
| 06:23.50 | cat | ok |
| 06:23.58 | jm_ | trentbuck: ahh, one of those who use all sorts of modifiers ;) |
| 06:24.00 | leikh | dondelelcaro: i.e. first value + 100 |
| 06:24.02 | cat | which one do i get ? |
| 06:24.08 | cat | which ever? |
| 06:24.13 | trentbuck | jm_: I use it for window manglement bindings. |
| 06:24.13 | bob2 | cat: doesn't really matter |
| 06:24.17 | cat | ok |
| 06:24.22 | cafuego | C17H21NO4: Never heard of it. probably crap. |
| 06:24.31 | dondelelcaro | leikh: so use a capture, and output $1+100; perldoc perlretut; |
| 06:24.45 | C17H21NO4 | cafuego: I think his provider is doing load balancing over 4 isp's. |
| 06:24.51 | cat | done bob2 what do i do now? |
| 06:25.06 | cafuego | C17H21NO4: that shouldn't be an issue if the ftp client didn't continually initiate new connections. |
| 06:25.09 | streuner | !lart configuring pirnter in linux |
| 06:25.10 | leikh | dondelelcaro: ok. thx |
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| 06:25.25 | bob2 | cat: untar the source from /usr/src/ into your homedir somewhere |
| 06:25.28 | streuner | printer |
| 06:25.36 | jm_ | trentbuck: me too, but icewm has its own support for it |
| 06:25.50 | Solet | installing my nic controller durring debian install... which one do i select if my nic is onboard? |
| 06:25.52 | Mardus | streuner: pirnter was written so deliberately |
| 06:25.55 | jm_ | streuner: just buy a decent printer and it won't be hard |
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| 06:26.08 | deadcat | cat: what up... dont /msg me. |
| 06:26.21 | cat | ok done bob2 |
| 06:26.30 | deadcat | cat: i was at school all day. |
| 06:26.39 | simonrvn | Solet: that means nothing |
| 06:26.42 | bob2 | cat: which version did you get? |
| 06:26.44 | streuner | jm_: postscript - i know :-) |
| 06:27.03 | Mardus | Solet: Is there an nic detected at all? |
| 06:27.13 | Solet | it hasnt told me yet... |
| 06:27.22 | jm_ | streuner: not really needed, there's a list of recommended printers on linuxprinting page |
| 06:27.33 | Solet | i havent got that far |
| 06:27.37 | cat | bob2, kernel-source-2.6.11 |
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| 06:27.39 | C17H21NO4 | cafuego: He connects fine, the transfer stalls because his client is trying to connect to the data port, but the server will not accept it because it is coming from a different host. This seems more like a security feature to me, but not one I want. |
| 06:27.40 | Solet | i'm only on like step 4 or 5 |
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| 06:28.03 | bob2 | cat: ok, cd into the source dir and run "cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config" |
| 06:28.12 | trentbuck | Another problem: My boxes are about a minute apart, which is messing up make on NFS shares. |
| 06:28.18 | cat | done |
| 06:28.21 | bob2 | trentbuck: run ntp |
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| 06:28.29 | trentbuck | I've got ntpdate installed on both boxen, it doesn't help. |
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| 06:28.49 | trentbuck | They're both configured to the same city (Australia/Melbourne). |
| 06:29.05 | Mardus | Solet: Well, from memory the installer gets to the modconf program, which you can run later. What you nd o know is what nic make&model you actually have. And what type is it and whethe it's generic like ne2000 compatibles. |
| 06:29.05 | cat | i did it as a normal user bob2 |
| 06:29.09 | simonrvn | ntpd. ntpdate is just for setting the clock |
| 06:29.10 | trentbuck | Should I use a closer NTP server (than the default)? Or maybe serve NTP from one to the other? |
| 06:29.15 | mtnman | trentbuck: ntpdate needs to be run explicitly. it is not a daemon. |
| 06:29.18 | bob2 | cat: cool |
| 06:29.19 | jm_ | trentbuck: so they're not in sync if you run ntpdate at the same time on both? |
| 06:29.24 | cat | what do i do now? |
| 06:29.30 | bob2 | cat: now look at the top of the Makefile in the root dir of the source |
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| 06:29.36 | trentbuck | mtnman: It's run at boot time by init.d. So I should use ntp package instead? |
| 06:29.39 | Mardus | Solet: * What you need to know... |
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| 06:29.41 | cat | ok |
| 06:29.45 | trentbuck | jm_: correct |
| 06:29.54 | mtnman | trentbuck: i run ntp. |
| 06:29.54 | jm_ | trentbuck: that's bizarre |
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| 06:30.10 | cat | NAME=Woozy Numbat |
| 06:30.23 | sussudio | bob2: /cycle |
| 06:30.25 | bob2 | the version |
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| 06:30.38 | cat | ok |
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| 06:30.44 | sussudio | ktnx. |
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| 06:31.09 | streuner | jm_: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 06:31.11 | cat | can i put numbers ? on it two? |
| 06:31.11 | c4_ | i have /dev/hda1 mounted in /, and /dev/hdb1 mounted in /mnt , i want to copy / to /mnt. how do i use cp not to copy itself? |
| 06:31.13 | mtnman | !maint apache |
| 06:31.15 | dpkg | apache: Debian Apache Maintainers <debian-apache@lists.debian.org> |
| 06:31.19 | Jean-Luc | I've an AMD64 and I've installed the mcelog package for machine check log processing |
| 06:31.29 | Jean-Luc | But it fails to open /dev/mcelog |
| 06:31.41 | bob2 | Jean-Luc: what module does it need loaded? |
| 06:32.01 | jm_ | streuner: we bought Samsung laser printer at work recently, they ship with Linux drivers |
| 06:32.06 | bob2 | cat: er, changing the woozy bit won't help |
| 06:32.12 | Jean-Luc | I've enable 'machine check exception' while generating the kernel |
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| 06:32.23 | Jean-Luc | But I've no seen any module to be loaded |
| 06:32.28 | jm_ | c4_: noticed the -x switch in cp man page? there's also Hard disk upgrade mini howto |
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| 06:32.42 | cat | bob2, oh for real? |
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| 06:32.48 | bob2 | cat: of course |
| 06:32.49 | cat | what else do i do to it? |
| 06:32.55 | streuner | jm_: what's the difference? |
| 06:32.59 | bob2 | cat: do you see "Woozy wombat" printed when you run "uname -r"? |
| 06:33.11 | cat | nope |
| 06:33.27 | cat | all i see is this 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 06:33.28 | bob2 | then that's now what you need to change |
| 06:33.29 | rixth | Ya'll know that mIRC virus around? //write $$decode? Well, try it in XChat, it does things for the better! |
| 06:33.31 | simonrvn | bob2: ? |
| 06:33.31 | bob2 | indeed |
| 06:33.34 | Jean-Luc | bob2: the mcelog documentation is very poor... I'e just created the needed node as described in the package doc |
| 06:33.41 | bob2 | simonrvn: hrm? |
| 06:33.46 | cat | and how can i changed that |
| 06:33.51 | streuner | jm_: you mean like those Lexmark's driver? |
| 06:34.03 | simonrvn | i've never seen those strings printed from uname |
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| 06:34.19 | trentbuck | Gotta go do some schoolwork. Thanks for the help, fellas. |
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| 06:34.27 | bob2 | simonrvn: oh, I know, I was pointing that out to cat |
| 06:34.36 | simonrvn | oh i see :) |
| 06:34.38 | fooz | ahh damn. turns out the first time this year I need something from people.debian.org, it's down |
| 06:34.42 | cat | (: |
| 06:34.53 | c4_ | jm_: did you understand what i mean?, / to /mnt , but it will copy the /mnt dir again |
| 06:35.01 | MikeH | what does "ERROR: Can not locate an M4 program" mean when executing the Build script in sendmail? |
| 06:35.02 | simonrvn | @tell root -about root |
| 06:35.07 | cat | so how can i changed my current version ? |
| 06:35.14 | jm_ | streuner: they ship PPD-s for CUPS with printers, and they also have some installation which can put CUPS on your system, but I didn't use that as to not clash with my CUPS installation |
| 06:35.18 | jm_ | c4_: did you read what I said? |
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| 06:35.23 | bob2 | cat: er, are you looking? |
| 06:35.32 | bob2 | cat: or just waiting for someone to do your homework for oyu? |
| 06:35.33 | cat | on Makefile ? |
| 06:35.43 | bob2 | cat: yes |
| 06:35.47 | cafuego | MikeH: that means you need to install postfix. |
| 06:35.57 | cat | VERSION = 2 |
| 06:35.58 | cat | ? |
| 06:36.00 | MikeH | lol cafuego, i just thought what m4 was :P |
| 06:36.02 | c4_ | jm_: yes, is only to see if is understud understandable |
| 06:36.06 | bob2 | cat: dude |
| 06:36.13 | bob2 | cat: stop guessing and start reading |
| 06:36.20 | simonrvn | "understud"? |
| 06:36.24 | Mardus | cat: I was thinking that you might just be reading to your own lecturer... |
| 06:36.30 | MikeH | cafuego: im attempting to install and test that web://cp thing, it wants sendmail :( |
| 06:36.33 | Mardus | cat: writing, that is |
| 06:36.39 | c4_ | well i can't find that in the dic simonrvn |
| 06:36.48 | apoth | this is working! thank yours! good bye! |
| 06:36.52 | simonrvn | that's because that word doesn't exist |
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| 06:37.10 | jm_ | c4_: yes, I gave you the right hints, now go read |
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| 06:37.28 | bbls | what's happening with packages.debian.org? is down for 24 hours now? |
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| 06:37.44 | simonrvn | bbls: /topic |
| 06:37.49 | Mardus | cat: I mean, like asking teacher to do the homework for you (bit anonymously though) |
| 06:37.50 | c4_ | simonrvn: well how do you ask if something that you've sayed is... the others understand it right? |
| 06:37.59 | bob2 | cat: so |
| 06:37.59 | c4_ | ok... |
| 06:37.59 | bbls | simonrvn i saw the topic, i just wonder what's the problem |
| 06:38.05 | streuner | jm_: ic |
| 06:38.11 | Mardus | My goodness. I'm too cynical. |
| 06:38.14 | bob2 | cat: at a guess, how would you add something in front of the '2' in the version string? |
| 06:38.23 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 06:38.32 | cat | 2-2 like that? |
| 06:38.39 | bob2 | cat: that's what I'd think |
| 06:39.05 | cat | ok i did that |
| 06:39.16 | bob2 | now try rebuilding it, "make-kpkg --initrd" |
| 06:39.18 | Mardus | cat: But this place is also learning ground. |
| 06:39.33 | Mardus | anyways: I'm too tired to be meaningful here. Bye. |
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| 06:41.01 | cat | ok nice |
| 06:41.17 | cat | is there any docs about that bob2 ? so i can read them? |
| 06:41.42 | bob2 | about compiling it? |
| 06:41.43 | katya | has anybody here ever burned an XA2 cd with cdrecord properly? ;/ |
| 06:41.51 | katya | XA/Mode2 |
| 06:42.21 | streuner | hm, doesn't cdrdao support that? |
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| 06:42.27 | cat | yeah bob2 |
| 06:42.34 | fooz | streuner, yes |
| 06:42.37 | De_Mon | Any recomendations for getting windows users a GUIsh patch and diff tools? |
| 06:42.38 | bob2 | cat: just "man make-kpkg", I guess |
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| 06:42.42 | carrett | how do i recursively apply my shell script to all mp3 files? |
| 06:42.51 | katya | hmmm, i thought cdrecord did it properly ;p |
| 06:42.58 | katya | i suppose i've been wasting cd-rs |
| 06:42.58 | fooz | De_Mon, why do you need a GUI to look at something made of text? |
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| 06:43.07 | dramen | hello |
| 06:43.14 | fooz | De_Mon, try emacs' diff modes |
| 06:43.17 | De_Mon | fooz I need a gui for creating and applying them, because its not for me |
| 06:43.33 | De_Mon | fooz when I say windows users, I mean win32 |
| 06:43.34 | dramen | i have got an old kernel |
| 06:43.34 | bob2 | carrett: for i in `find -type f -name "*.mp3"` ; do your_shell_Script.sh $i ; done |
| 06:43.35 | katya | De_Mon: kdevelop can do it, but it may be overkill |
| 06:43.46 | fooz | oh. no idea, i use linux |
| 06:43.51 | dramen | how can i update to a 2.6 kernel |
| 06:43.56 | maher | De_Mon: even windows users can learn to type diff file1 file2 |
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| 06:44.00 | bob2 | dramen: use sarge |
| 06:44.03 | fooz | maher, don't be so sure |
| 06:44.05 | streuner | dramen: what version of debian? |
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| 06:44.18 | chance2105 | How's the 'debian way' to get modules to load automatically at boot? |
| 06:44.19 | dramen | woody |
| 06:44.22 | calin | FUCKING HELL! This is really starting to piss me off. Anyone in here familiar with a d-link router? |
| 06:44.23 | dramen | 2.2.20 |
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| 06:44.27 | De_Mon | maher they can, but I'll encounter less resistance if it looks like windows :/ |
| 06:44.28 | deadcat | woohoo. gqview fixed its xinerama problem. (= i like hehehe. |
| 06:44.30 | dramen | i updated |
| 06:44.39 | deadcat | calin: using one. |
| 06:44.46 | bob2 | chance2105: put them in /etc/modules |
| 06:44.49 | dramen | but it's really an old kernel |
| 06:44.50 | bob2 | dramen: on woody? |
| 06:44.51 | calin | deadcat: You have any computer DMZ'd? |
| 06:44.59 | deadcat | calin: nope. |
| 06:45.05 | maher | De_Mon: give them a cygwin shell and title it MSshell 6.5 |
| 06:45.07 | deadcat | calin: bittorent problem? |
| 06:45.14 | De_Mon | ah well thanks for the suggestions... |
| 06:45.14 | calin | deadcat: http problems |
| 06:45.14 | chance2105 | bob2: beautiful, thanky |
| 06:45.17 | dramen | in my source list i wrote sarge |
| 06:45.19 | streuner | dramen: 2.2.20 is a good kernel, why do you think you need 2.6.x? |
| 06:45.19 | deadcat | calin: ah |
| 06:45.33 | bob2 | streuner: 2.2.20 is crap and old |
| 06:45.34 | Jean-Luc | chance2105: put it in /etc/modules ; only the module name without extension, one by line |
| 06:45.37 | De_Mon | maher arn't there win32 binaries of patch and diff? There's a wincsv IIRC |
| 06:45.38 | bob2 | and unsupported by anyone but debian |
| 06:45.39 | calin | deadcat: Occationally all urls resolve to my ip or something |
| 06:45.39 | katya | okay, cdrdao.. let's try ;x |
| 06:45.41 | dramen | because of my printer and usb |
| 06:45.42 | bob2 | and doesn't support modern hardware |
| 06:45.47 | calin | deadcat: for every website |
| 06:45.53 | cafuego | bob2: Ha. My 2.0.49 box owns you. |
| 06:45.54 | maher | De_Mon: could be - i don't use windows... |
| 06:45.57 | De_Mon | hmmm /me tries wincsv |
| 06:46.01 | streuner | bob2: you are right, but if the hardware is supported its enough for most people |
| 06:46.09 | deadcat | calin: hahahah. seems like its been spywared. hehe |
| 06:46.20 | calin | deadcat: the router?! |
| 06:46.22 | cat | bob2, so many questions? |
| 06:46.27 | De_Mon | maher most windows people don't even know how cool linux tools are, let alone know where to find them. |
| 06:46.32 | Nwallins | streuner: at what advantage? |
| 06:46.37 | deadcat | calin: i dont know. just kidding. |
| 06:46.38 | calin | De_Mon: so true |
| 06:46.42 | dramen | i meant if there is a possibility to do it automatically |
| 06:46.53 | streuner | Nwallins: less headaches ;-) |
| 06:46.54 | dramen | to update the kernel |
| 06:47.01 | calin | deadcat: ah, haha. feh.. this really pisses me off. It doesn't happen too long, but it happens and it's annoyying |
| 06:47.05 | streuner | dramen: no |
| 06:47.17 | bbls | where can i find a free X server for Windows? other than cygwin's? |
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| 06:47.28 | calin | Windows and X? |
| 06:47.29 | deadcat | calin: you got a really fucked up dlink |
| 06:47.42 | dramen | that means that i have to download the sources from kernel.org and to compile the kernel |
| 06:47.46 | bob2 | cat: sure you put your .config in the right place? |
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| 06:47.56 | bbls | calin i want to run a remote application |
| 06:47.59 | cat | hmmm not sure |
| 06:48.01 | streuner | Nwallins: i don't start an kernel flamewar right now, it's early in morning here... ;-) |
| 06:48.01 | calin | deadcat: it's a dlink, what do you expect? I wish I had a linksys. |
| 06:48.05 | calin | bbls: ah |
| 06:48.10 | cat | i have never done this that's why |
| 06:48.14 | bob2 | dramen: if you're using woody, you can get 2.6 kernels from backports.org |
| 06:48.22 | deadcat | calin: ya. (= $10 for a damn 4port router you shouldnt expect much |
| 06:48.26 | tarzeau | dpkg ubuntu is also http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 06:48.26 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 06:48.33 | dramen | what's the difference? |
| 06:48.34 | calin | deadcat: mine was free. |
| 06:48.50 | deadcat | calin: then you should realy shut up (= |
| 06:48.50 | cat | the config is on my home bob2 .config |
| 06:49.09 | bob2 | cat: er |
| 06:49.10 | calin | deadcat: yeah, but meh.. I wonder if i upgraded the firmware |
| 06:49.16 | bob2 | cat: I said to put it in the source dir |
| 06:49.23 | cat | is that the right place? on /usr/src ? |
| 06:49.25 | bob2 | tarzeau: "Ubuntu 4.10" |
| 06:49.27 | bob2 | cat: no |
| 06:49.32 | bob2 | cat: put it in the root of the kernel source |
| 06:49.39 | bob2 | cat: the same directory that has Makefile in it |
| 06:49.45 | cat | oh ok |
| 06:49.58 | deadcat | i have ubuntu on a p2 i am looking to donate. |
| 06:50.09 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.10 | streuner | bob2: well, does these kernels from backport.org solves the problem with DHCP (woody) and using 2.6.x kernels too? |
| 06:50.11 | tarzeau | bob2: did you read the funny comment? |
| 06:50.15 | Nwallins | deadcat: what did you do to get acceptable performance? |
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| 06:50.31 | bob2 | cat: I have no idea, wherever you put the kernel source |
| 06:50.31 | Nwallins | i have a k-6 i'm trying to resurrect. running sarge + iceWM right now |
| 06:50.32 | tarzeau | bob2: throwing unspellable foreign langauges at me without verbs won't make me understand you |
| 06:50.35 | bob2 | streuner: I don't know |
| 06:50.35 | cat | ok |
| 06:50.38 | tarzeau | !african |
| 06:50.43 | tarzeau | bob2: go to #debian.africa |
| 06:50.50 | deadcat | Nwallins: the p2 450mhz? nothing. its sitting in a corner doing nothing. |
| 06:50.54 | bob2 | tarzeau: I mean, "don't call it Hoary then, call it 4.10" |
| 06:51.07 | tarzeau | bob2: i called it that? |
| 06:51.11 | Nwallins | deadcat: how does x run? |
| 06:51.13 | streuner | bob2: using 2.6.x kernels in woody needs to upgrade sometimes several others packages |
| 06:51.14 | bob2 | tarzeau: to the dude |
| 06:51.18 | Nwallins | deadcat: firefox? |
| 06:51.23 | bob2 | streuner: yes, which backports.org hopefully has |
| 06:51.24 | tarzeau | bob2: i don't care what whoever calls it |
| 06:51.29 | bob2 | ok... |
| 06:51.34 | deadcat | Nwallins: not bad. just wait few seconds. |
| 06:51.40 | streuner | bob2: most of all? No. |
| 06:51.50 | Nwallins | heh.. my k-6 is on a 21-inch monitor with only 1meg of vram |
| 06:51.57 | cat | bob2, how did you learn so much about Debian? |
| 06:52.09 | maher | cat: he read the manual |
| 06:52.17 | cat | maher, is you'r name bob? |
| 06:52.18 | deadcat | like bibles |
| 06:52.24 | katya | i want that on my tombstone |
| 06:52.30 | bob2 | cat: using it, really |
| 06:52.36 | katya | "Katya -- She RTFM'd." |
| 06:52.36 | maher | katya: no one would believe it... |
| 06:52.43 | bob2 | cat: and hanging around in here and watching other skilled people use it |
| 06:52.44 | deadcat | katya: HAHAHHAA |
| 06:52.50 | katya | i'd be famous enough by then to be convincing |
| 06:52.55 | mtnman | katya: "she r'd the ftm" |
| 06:53.29 | cat | bob2, look on #flood |
| 06:53.34 | mtnman | or rather, "she r'd tfm" |
| 06:53.38 | katya | i still can't get this burn right though :< |
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| 06:53.40 | cafuego | bob2: Hoary is 5.04 |
| 06:53.45 | bob2 | yeah |
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| 06:53.54 | cat | what was that error for |
| 06:53.55 | cat | ? |
| 06:54.02 | bob2 | cat: sounds like a misconfiguration |
| 06:54.07 | cat | damn |
| 06:54.11 | Nwallins | btw, i couldn't get kernel 2.6 (sarge netinst) to run on my k-6.. only 2.4. was getting an error in grub Error18 or something to do with addressing the disk |
| 06:54.16 | deadcat | katya: you should have "i still doesnt work after RTFM" |
| 06:54.37 | cat | i put the .config on the root source from the one that i had on my home |
| 06:54.44 | katya | well, there's really no manual on it |
| 06:54.49 | katya | it's kind of guess and test right now |
| 06:54.50 | chealer | katya: there's a potential for mass production of these tombstones |
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| 06:55.08 | katya | :p |
| 06:55.09 | deadcat | one can get rich? (= |
| 06:55.22 | cat | what do i do bob2 remove the kernel and star again? |
| 06:55.29 | deadcat | i better start investing tomorrow first thing in the morning |
| 06:55.48 | bob2 | cat: I don't know what you're doing anymore |
| 06:55.57 | bob2 | 16:28:03 bob2 | cat: ok, cd into the source dir and run "cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config" |
| 06:56.01 | cat | make-kpkg --initrd |
| 06:56.13 | bob2 | I don't know whare or what you copied around |
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| 06:56.42 | streuner | Nwallins: should be a grub configuration thingie... |
| 06:56.52 | cat | damn |
| 06:57.03 | Nwallins | i tried a bunch of stuff, plus every bios disk option. |
| 06:57.21 | Nwallins | stuff = grub configs |
| 06:57.27 | calin | Knoppils, similar to knoppix, but a tit bit better =] |
| 06:57.35 | Nwallins | 2.4 came up like a charm |
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| 06:57.48 | cat | source dir of the kernel bob2 as normal user on in the one that i put on /usr/src ? |
| 06:57.57 | cat | sorry for my stupid questions never have done this |
| 06:58.07 | bob2 | I don't understand anymore |
| 06:58.17 | bob2 | you unpacked the tarball in /home/ somewhere |
| 06:58.19 | bob2 | go to that dir |
| 06:58.22 | cat | ok |
| 06:58.23 | bob2 | the one with the Makefile in it |
| 06:58.28 | bob2 | 16:55:58 bob2 | 16:28:03 bob2 | cat: ok, cd into the source dir and run "cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config" |
| 06:58.29 | deadcat | cat: try a local lug and ask someone to go through step by step. |
| 06:58.31 | bob2 | do that |
| 06:58.33 | Nwallins | streuner: i even had /boot on its own partition at the front of the disk |
| 06:58.43 | cat | ok done |
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| 06:58.55 | streuner | Nwallins: well, i could help with lilo but not with grub |
| 06:59.07 | bob2 | cat: now run 'make oldconfig' |
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| 06:59.11 | bob2 | and just hit enter on everything |
| 06:59.13 | cat | deadcat, over here no ones uses linux |
| 06:59.26 | Solet | durring install: while making boot floppy, i get "CAUTION: The line is drive and controller specific, so it should be removed before installing a new drive 0 or floppy controller." what does this mean? |
| 06:59.27 | deadcat | cat: doh. where at? |
| 06:59.43 | cat | done bob2 |
| 06:59.56 | bob2 | cat: now, 'make-kpkg --initrd' |
| 06:59.57 | cat | deadcat, on miami florida everyone here uses aol and windows |
| 07:00.07 | bob2 | Solet: I don't think it really matters anymore |
| 07:00.29 | deadcat | cat: HAHAHA.... i thought you in hell (=.. hell, windows? get it? HAHAHA |
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| 07:00.42 | cat | yeah no one here uses linux, only me, |
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| 07:01.04 | Nwallins | streuner: thanks.. 2.4 is fine for me now. i'm running 2.6 on modern hardware |
| 07:01.06 | streuner | Nwallins: paste the exact error here (only 2 lines) |
| 07:01.07 | bob2 | there's a miami lug |
| 07:01.10 | bob2 | ubuntu: wrong channel |
| 07:01.16 | deadcat | cat: http://www.mialug.org/ |
| 07:01.23 | cat | oh never knew that, |
| 07:01.30 | cat | i though at was the only stupid one with linux |
| 07:01.30 | Nwallins | streuner: wish I could. it's at the office |
| 07:01.31 | Solet | umm... cat... there are sevaral hosting companies that base out of miami that i have used before (hostmatix is the only one that comes to mind atm) and they all use redhat :P you lie :P |
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| 07:01.52 | deadcat | cat: now you know, and knowing it half of the battle |
| 07:01.55 | cat | i don't know who uses windows or linux |
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| 07:02.30 | cafuego | bob2: Do you know offhand which government organisation handles spam email procecution? |
| 07:02.31 | Nwallins | streuner: it's running fine on 2.4 now. i'd have to wipe the hd to try to replicate the error |
| 07:02.47 | cafuego | s/c/s/ |
| 07:03.06 | bob2 | cafuego: I thought it was NOIE, but I think they changed their name again |
| 07:03.13 | deadcat | cat: they meet on 3rd sat 11am. |
| 07:03.43 | deadcat | ROOT has landed!!!!! |
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| 07:04.06 | Nwallins | but yeah, my friggin workstation is a k6 with 1meg of video ram. that there cpu shore is fast.. 0-100% at the touch of a button |
| 07:04.28 | cat | bob2, look at this The changelog says we are creating 2.6.11.6, but I thought the version is 2-poopies.6.11.6 |
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| 07:05.17 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 07:05.17 | apr | MY debian r4 did not recognize my to driver of net of the nvidia. How I can arrange? |
| 07:05.21 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 07:06.03 | jm_ | apr: there's a driver for nforce ethernet adapter in 2.6 kernel, there's also a patch for 2.4 kernels |
| 07:06.06 | Solet | wtf is pcmcia? |
| 07:06.19 | simonrvn | streuner: you know you could say hi to me on-channel, eh? :) |
| 07:06.22 | bbls | Solet something like PCI, just for laptops |
| 07:06.28 | deadcat | Solet: google |
| 07:06.32 | Solet | aha |
| 07:06.40 | streuner | simonrvn: no, that's a secret ;-) |
| 07:06.41 | maher | Solet: personal computer something someting interface adapter |
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| 07:06.48 | simonrvn | streuner: ;p |
| 07:06.56 | apr | jm After the installation I must compile kernel for the 2.6? |
| 07:07.04 | Nwallins | media card? |
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| 07:07.31 | cafuego | bob2: This is a great spam, claims it's from the aus gov't |
| 07:07.38 | cafuego | bob2: .. asking for investors. |
| 07:07.41 | rob^ | hehe |
| 07:07.44 | jm_ | apr: Debian 3.0 doesn't support 2.6 kernel, you can get unofficial packages or you can apply a patch to 2.4 kernel and built it : http://www.hailfinger.org/carldani/linux/patches/forcedeth/ |
| 07:07.51 | Solet | for webinstall is http faster than ftp? i'd guess so because ftp is usually passive... |
| 07:08.04 | jm_ | apr: ahh 2.4.26 and newer also include this driver |
| 07:08.57 | simonrvn | cafuego: o_O |
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| 07:11.28 | apr | jm_ and debian (sid) unstable? |
| 07:11.39 | apr | jm_ supports kernel 2.6? |
| 07:11.41 | chealer | apr: are you installing debian on a desktop? |
| 07:11.41 | jm_ | apr: sid and Sarge have required packages for 2.6 kernel |
| 07:11.50 | jm_ | apr: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 07:11.58 | apr | chealer yes |
| 07:12.06 | apr | chealer and server |
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| 07:12.21 | apr | jm_ bf26 ? |
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| 07:12.43 | chealer | apr: unless it's an important server, consider using sarge instead of woody. |
| 07:13.06 | apr | chealer and my network card? nvidia |
| 07:13.11 | chealer | nforce 2 is no problem on sarge (with a 2.6 kernel at least) |
| 07:13.13 | apr | chealer this kernel not support |
| 07:13.26 | apr | chealer after install |
| 07:13.46 | chealer | apr: if you install sarge with the "linux26" option, it will be supported |
| 07:13.50 | apr | yes.. sarge is ok |
| 07:13.55 | chealer | and maybe 2.4 too |
| 07:14.04 | bob2 | cat: make-kpkg clean |
| 07:14.37 | cat | ok |
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| 07:17.29 | ass_with_ears | mornin |
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| 07:19.01 | keta | ass_with_ears: cool, assholes generally don't like to listen :) |
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| 07:20.36 | ass_with_ears | heh |
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| 07:21.09 | sanmarcos | how do I match a whole word with grep? I dont want it to grep if the word is only partially there |
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| 07:21.29 | bob2 | that's what grep does |
| 07:21.36 | CharlesBrown | man grep |
| 07:21.42 | sanmarcos | maching pattern right |
| 07:21.43 | Quag7 | grep keyword * |
| 07:22.27 | CharlesBrown | sanmarcos, cat file.txt|grep mississippi |
| 07:22.39 | dli | /bin/su, Permission denied |
| 07:22.42 | sanmarcos | marccd@athlon:~$ echo keyboard2 > file |
| 07:22.42 | sanmarcos | marccd@athlon:~$ grep keyboard file |
| 07:22.42 | sanmarcos | keyboard2 |
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| 07:22.46 | sanmarcos | see what I mean |
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| 07:22.51 | bob2 | so |
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| 07:22.56 | bob2 | you asked the wrong question |
| 07:22.59 | sanmarcos | I need to match "keyboard" nothing more |
| 07:23.01 | bob2 | grep " keyboard " file |
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| 07:23.27 | sanmarcos | bob2: ahh, why is it like that? |
| 07:23.30 | cat | u saw the error bob2 on #flood ? |
| 07:23.58 | bob2 | cat: disable gamma in config -> character -> dri |
| 07:24.08 | bob2 | sanmarcos: it matches a regular expression |
| 07:24.09 | cat | ?? |
| 07:24.24 | bob2 | sanmarcos: you have to use the right expression if you only want to match it surrounded by spaces |
| 07:24.28 | bob2 | cat: think before asking |
| 07:24.34 | bob2 | what config would I be talking about? |
| 07:24.42 | sanmarcos | bob2: right, thanks |
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| 07:24.55 | mud | i installed fluxbox and the docs say run fluxbox-generate_menu to fill menu but i get command not found error??anyone else experience this? |
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| 07:25.09 | bob2 | sanmarcos: the one I gave isn't technically correct, since it won't match keyboard on the end of the line |
| 07:25.09 | cat | oh the one in drivers/char/drm/ |
| 07:25.12 | bob2 | or the beginning |
| 07:25.12 | sanmarcos | bob2: but, I dotn want it sourrounded by spaces |
| 07:25.14 | bob2 | depends how much you care |
| 07:25.19 | bob2 | sanmarcos: what do you want then? |
| 07:25.20 | sanmarcos | bob2: see I am trying to match an url |
| 07:25.23 | bob2 | be very very specific |
| 07:25.30 | sanmarcos | bob2: for f in $(grep -lo "www.libarcangelrafael.com" *); do cp $f Match/; done && sed -i "s/www\.libarcangelrafael\.com/&.ar/g" Match/* |
| 07:25.40 | bob2 | cat: no, 'make menuconfig', seletch character devices, dri, disable gamma |
| 07:26.14 | sanmarcos | bob2: see if www.XX.com is there (there might be some with .AR), thats why I asked you the first question |
| 07:26.14 | sep | mud : try to use tab compleation to find your command |
| 07:26.14 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 07:26.51 | bob2 | sanmarcos: ? |
| 07:26.54 | mud | sep: tried it only get command "fluxbox" |
| 07:27.00 | bob2 | sanmarcos: you mean "I don't want 'www.libarcangelrafael.com' to match 'www.libarcangelrafael.com.ar'"? |
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| 07:27.15 | sanmarcos | bob2: right |
| 07:27.43 | sanmarcos | bob2: because if that grep messess up, then my sed is messed up, and I end with things like .ar.ar |
| 07:28.10 | sanmarcos | bob2: or maybe I could change my sed line, I am not really good with sed or regexps.. |
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| 07:29.21 | sep | mud: read /usr/share/doc/fluxbox/fluxbox-generate_menu.gz |
| 07:29.30 | cat | i don't see dri any where |
| 07:29.40 | bob2 | or drm |
| 07:29.40 | cat | bob2, |
| 07:29.43 | bob2 | or direct rendering |
| 07:30.01 | bob2 | I'm pretty amazed your teacher set you this without explaining anything at all |
| 07:30.21 | cat | yeah me 2 |
| 07:30.29 | cat | x<M> Digiboard Intelligent Async Support |
| 07:30.40 | bob2 | nope |
| 07:30.40 | Coke | I use "files ldap" for passwd, group and password, how can I add my LDAP-user to a local files group? |
| 07:30.45 | sanmarcos | bob2: any ideas? thanks anyways |
| 07:30.47 | bob2 | in fact, almost a little suspicious |
| 07:30.56 | bob2 | sanmarcos: you need a way more complicated regexp |
| 07:31.03 | bob2 | sanmarcos: use an existing tool |
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| 07:31.11 | cat | stupid teacher |
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| 07:31.44 | bob2 | sanmarcos: urlview |
| 07:31.47 | sanmarcos | bob2: cant I use s/www.XX.com/www.XX.com.ar/g instead of the s/www.XX.com&.ar/g ? which assumes .com was matched ? |
| 07:32.26 | cat | what do i do bob2 ? |
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| 07:32.56 | bob2 | bah |
| 07:33.43 | sussudio | hmm |
| 07:33.43 | bob2 | Jeevsies: do not /msg me |
| 07:33.53 | bob2 | Jeevsies: go to #knoppix if you need help with knoppix |
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| 07:36.01 | bob2 | cat: you see nothing about dri/drm/rendering? |
| 07:36.02 | bob2 | at all? |
| 07:36.05 | bob2 | even after you scrolled down? |
| 07:36.14 | bob2 | if I download the kernel and find it there, I will be annoyed |
| 07:36.26 | cat | i'm on device system |
| 07:36.35 | cat | device drivers |
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| 07:37.15 | bob2 | I said character drivers |
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| 07:38.35 | cat | i can't believed i don't have character drivers |
| 07:38.51 | cat | ok found it =) |
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| 07:42.17 | calin | hahahaha... man, I'm sooo anal |
| 07:42.17 | sanmarcos | ... |
| 07:42.35 | calin | cat .bashrc |
| 07:42.36 | calin | ... |
| 07:42.49 | calin | alias exit='clear&&exit' |
| 07:43.10 | cat | x<M> Digiboard Intelligent Async Support |
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| 07:43.39 | liable | lastlog cat |
| 07:43.50 | liable | oops |
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| 07:43.56 | cat | ?? |
| 07:44.43 | sanmarcos | im in the oven |
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| 07:45.19 | cat | bob2, are you sure is in character drivers? not in character devices? |
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| 07:45.48 | cat | because i can't find character devices |
| 07:46.10 | bob2 | no fucking idea |
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| 07:46.15 | bob2 | you have the kernel in front of you |
| 07:46.19 | cat | yeah |
| 07:46.27 | bob2 | if nothing else, go through every menu until you find "direct rendering" |
| 07:46.41 | cat | ok |
| 07:47.14 | sanmarcos | if you are using gconfig you can search |
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| 07:47.35 | sanmarcos | gtk, or recent versions support searching of trees and lists |
| 07:48.08 | cat | Unable to find the GTK+ installation. Please make sure that |
| 07:48.08 | cat | * the GTK+ 2.0 development package is correctly installed... |
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| 07:48.18 | bob2 | libgtk2.0-dev |
| 07:48.20 | bob2 | build-essential |
| 07:48.21 | danikata | where to find xfree86-devel ? |
| 07:48.24 | bob2 | in the FAQ |
| 07:48.26 | bob2 | danikata: doesn't exist |
| 07:48.30 | bob2 | danikata: do you mean xlibs-dev? |
| 07:48.46 | mattdoran_ | hi, http://packages.debian.org/ seems to be unavailable to me at the moment ... any ideas what's up? |
| 07:48.53 | gravity | mattdoran_: /topic |
| 07:48.54 | danikata | where to find Xorg-devel ? |
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| 07:49.04 | gravity | danikata: It doesn't exist yet |
| 07:49.19 | bob2 | danikata: read the /topic |
| 07:49.23 | bob2 | x.org isn't in debian |
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| 07:49.33 | danikata | i try to install smb4k and i fail |
| 07:49.34 | sanmarcos | cat: what are you trying to find? DRM? |
| 07:49.42 | cat | sanmarcos, yeah |
| 07:49.59 | cat | i can't see clear with those yellow fonts on make menuconfig |
| 07:50.18 | Ragan | danikata, be specific please, we don't know the answer for 'fail' |
| 07:50.21 | danikata | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.29 | gravity | danikata: xlibs-dev |
| 07:50.38 | gravity | Just like bob2 said |
| 07:50.39 | sanmarcos | cat: make gconfig supports searching, its CONFIG_DRM, and its in Device Drivers, Character Devices, DIrect Rendering Manger (XFree 4 and hihgher DRI support) |
| 07:50.49 | danikata | oke thanks |
| 07:50.54 | danikata | i will try |
| 07:51.01 | sanmarcos | in a 2.6.11.5 vanilla at least |
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| 07:51.13 | sanmarcos | You should also select and configure AGP (/dev/agpgart) support. |
| 07:51.27 | cat | * the GTK+ 2.0 development package is correctly installed... |
| 07:51.27 | cat | * You need gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0. |
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| 07:51.36 | daffy-pkf | can someone help me? i'd like to install linux on another root partition, i think about debootstrap, the point is that i just want the strict necessary to run apt, nothing more |
| 07:51.38 | chealer | danikata: are you compiling smb4k? |
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| 07:51.59 | sanmarcos | cat: just go to character diveces inside device drivers, select agp, and drm, no need for gconfig |
| 07:51.59 | danikata | yes |
| 07:52.10 | chealer | danikata: why do you do that? |
| 07:52.40 | cat | where is character diveces sanmarcos ? |
| 07:52.54 | danikata | i want to learn and try |
| 07:52.55 | sanmarcos | cat: or if you want to make it easy, do make gconfig, then click on "Expand" on the menu bar, and just type "Direct" into the tree |
| 07:53.00 | sanmarcos | cat: inside Device Drivers |
| 07:53.31 | CharlesBrown | damn |
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| 07:53.35 | CharlesBrown | lftp was updated so fast |
| 07:53.36 | CharlesBrown | lol |
| 07:53.37 | cat | ok |
| 07:53.48 | CharlesBrown | The lftp maintainer is uber fast |
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| 07:54.17 | cat | sanmarcos, i don't see it though |
| 07:54.28 | sanmarcos | cat: what kernel? |
| 07:54.29 | phil_ | aw, gluck's still down |
| 07:54.34 | phil_ | I thought it was just fsck'ing |
| 07:54.37 | cat | 2.6.11.6 |
| 07:54.47 | danikata | chealer: is that any easy installation for smb4k ? |
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| 07:55.04 | gravity | phil_: It's apparently in pretty bad shape |
| 07:55.07 | sanmarcos | cat: vanilla? |
| 07:55.08 | chealer | danikata: what do you mean? are you asking if it should be easy to compile? |
| 07:55.11 | sanmarcos | cat: from kernel.org? |
| 07:55.14 | cat | nope |
| 07:55.18 | cat | from apt-get |
| 07:55.23 | phil_ | gravity: what happened? |
| 07:55.36 | sanmarcos | cat: get one from kernel.org, big deal with the debian patches, |
| 07:55.40 | chealer | !gluck problems |
| 07:55.40 | dpkg | i heard gluck problems is http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00006.html |
| 07:55.54 | Solet | hrm... i hope the package servers are fast... 250 mb of packages being downloaded... |
| 07:56.02 | chealer | it got back up shortly but had serious data corruption |
| 07:56.08 | cat | sanmarcos, is for a school project |
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| 07:57.13 | phil_ | that's chealer |
| 07:57.15 | phil_ | thanks* |
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| 07:57.18 | phil_ | grrr, can't type tonight |
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| 07:57.43 | dli | strange, my /bin/su, rwsr-x--- 1 root root 23416 Mar 15 06:59 /bin/su |
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| 07:57.59 | dli | why this happens? |
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| 08:00.03 | danikata | chealer: i often fai |
| 08:00.26 | CharlesBrown | Which file do I edit in debian/sarge for what starts up with my box. |
| 08:00.26 | chealer | danikata: you often fail? |
| 08:00.28 | danikata | sorry.. i guess i always fail to complie smb4k, |
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| 08:00.54 | chealer | danikata: oh, you mean you _still_ fail to compile it |
| 08:01.04 | danikata | chealer: maybe there's another application that similiar to smb4k |
| 08:01.24 | chealer | danikata: why would you want one? aren't you doing that to learn? |
| 08:01.27 | danikata | that more easy to install |
| 08:01.36 | chealer | can't you just apt-get install it? |
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| 08:02.20 | calin | any way to boost my system volume? |
| 08:02.34 | calin | i supposedly hax it at max, but it's not loud nuff |
| 08:02.38 | danikata | theres no smb4k.deb in my source list |
| 08:02.58 | chealer | danikata: uh...are you using debian? |
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| 08:03.01 | danikata | i only have 4 cd of debian sarge |
| 08:03.19 | danikata | yup |
| 08:03.30 | chealer | danikata: how did you get smb4k's source? |
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| 08:03.42 | d3vic3 | hi |
| 08:03.50 | d3vic3 | can anyone help |
| 08:04.00 | CharlesBrown | I doubt anyone can help you if you don't ask a question. |
| 08:04.04 | d3vic3 | how do i asign a bug to myself? I want to adopt a package |
| 08:04.06 | danikata | kde-apps.org |
| 08:04.19 | chealer | danikata: so you have internet access? |
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| 08:04.33 | calin | How can I boost my system volume? The gnome volume control says it's at max, but there has to be something to make it louder... |
| 08:04.43 | danikata | yes |
| 08:04.50 | calin | How can I boost my system volume? The gnome volume control says it's at max, but there has to be something to make it louder... |
| 08:04.52 | cat | calin, aumix? |
| 08:04.52 | Humbe | calin: Tried both master and wave volume? |
| 08:05.01 | chealer | danikata: do you know about apt-setup? if yes, why don't you use it? |
| 08:05.05 | calin | Humbe: wave? |
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| 08:05.38 | Humbe | calin: There's both a master volume for all, and seperate volume controls for wave, midi, etc.. |
| 08:05.49 | calin | Humbe: Where can I find those? |
| 08:05.52 | Humbe | calin: Install a mixer... |
| 08:05.55 | calin | aumix |
| 08:06.21 | calin | ahh |
| 08:06.25 | calin | i found the problem |
| 08:06.26 | dli | suddenly, /bin/su permission changed to 4710, instead of 4711, a sign of rooted? |
| 08:06.29 | calin | PCM volume was down |
| 08:06.30 | danikata | i know that apt-get is the great installer |
| 08:07.20 | cat | bob2, can't find the damn thing |
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| 08:07.54 | _joey | does anyone know how to start playing dripped dvd in dir using xine? |
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| 08:08.18 | _joey | dvd rip |
| 08:08.20 | _joey | ;) |
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| 08:09.03 | CharlesBrown | * footeen has offered lamex.png (80970 bytes) |
| 08:09.06 | danikata | but... i thougth that my source list is still little of list |
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| 08:09.30 | CharlesBrown | You haven't sent anything footeen |
| 08:09.33 | bob2 | cat: open .config in a text editor |
| 08:09.38 | cat | OK |
| 08:09.40 | CharlesBrown | er, woops |
| 08:09.41 | bob2 | find the CONFIG_DRI_GAMMA option or whatever |
| 08:09.47 | bob2 | change it to N instead of M or Y |
| 08:10.07 | MikeH | can anyone suggest a MTA setup with virtual domains, but it needs to have a webadmin (but not qmail/qmailadmin :( ) |
| 08:10.19 | chealer | danikata: what do you mean? could you try apt-setup and see if that helps you? |
| 08:10.36 | chealer | danikata: and what's your native language? |
| 08:10.49 | dli | can somebody nmap or whatever port scanning on my box, cain.uchicago.edu |
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| 08:11.18 | danikata | chealer: sorry |
| 08:11.25 | danikata | im from indonesia |
| 08:11.40 | danikata | i havent try apt-setup yet |
| 08:11.49 | danikata | i'll try now |
| 08:12.24 | cat | look on #flood bob2 |
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| 08:13.03 | danikata | anyway thx chealer |
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| 08:13.25 | bob2 | there you go |
| 08:13.28 | chealer | danikata: no problem. maybe you want to read the APT HOWTO to know APT better |
| 08:13.38 | ass_with_ears | mornin aagain from the office |
| 08:13.40 | danikata | yup... |
| 08:13.43 | danikata | ok |
| 08:13.54 | cat | do i put n to all ? |
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| 08:16.24 | cat | i put n to all the ones that i pasted you |
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| 08:21.48 | loren | vatch me flex my msucles |
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| 08:24.10 | Electronick_ | ceci est un channel français? |
| 08:24.17 | streuner | !fr |
| 08:24.17 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:24.53 | Electronick_ | streuner, thanks :) |
| 08:25.17 | unixorn | hello, anyone could help with dumping a database? The data are stored in utf-8 encoding but they do not come out correctly when i dump the db. The server is 4.1 installed on a debian sarge system |
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| 08:26.52 | chealer | unixorn: maybe you should ask #mysql |
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| 08:31.21 | cat | ok bob2 everything good when is done what else do i do? |
| 08:31.26 | cat | grub new? |
| 08:31.26 | possie | anyone ever heard about "diskfix" program? |
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| 08:32.39 | sep | possie: a program called diskfix or a program made for fixing disks ? in any case have a recent backup!! |
| 08:32.48 | Luser | To remotely run graphical programs (i.e. on my Windows box) do I need to have an X server installed on my Debian machine? |
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| 08:33.52 | sep | Luser: not nessesary |
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| 08:35.00 | jm_ | Luser: no, you need it on Windows machine |
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| 08:38.47 | directhex|work | Luser, you need an x server installed on your windows machine. try www.cygwin.com |
| 08:39.29 | Luser | Cool |
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| 08:45.21 | cat | ok bob2 everything good when is done what else do i do? |
| 08:45.57 | Luser | Any idea on what port the remote X server would listen on? |
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| 08:46.49 | a | i do use sarge-i386-netinst but still , it treate my sata hard disk as scisi drive, what should i do to fix this |
| 08:46.50 | xam | Luser: 6000 + display offset? |
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| 08:47.09 | henning__ | hello |
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| 08:47.46 | viyyer | just curious why do we type xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams'> for jabber streams |
| 08:47.49 | xam | a: 'fix'? that's what it is supposed to do |
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| 08:49.02 | a | xam: no , what i know it should recocnize it as SATA drive not scsi |
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| 08:50.01 | marccd | Hi, I have a serious problem, when I start my system, I get stuff likme /etc/init.d/rcS, bad interpreters, permission dennied, /bin/grep, /bin/chwon, etc etc permission denied, a lot of permission denied in my start scripts, and init: cannot execute /sbin/getty.. I can access the HD, and I see everything is owned by root, at least in bin, usr bin, etc, any ideas? |
| 08:50.09 | a | bty , i am using 915g chipset |
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| 08:52.47 | xam | a: sata support in the ata/ide driver is the old stuff, the new(er) 'libata' driver makes your sata card appear as scsi |
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| 08:53.27 | marccd | anybody? |
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| 08:53.39 | xam | @tell a about sata |
| 08:53.49 | directhex|work | the 2.4 kernel's sata support has always been flaky & unstable, 2.6 systems should always use sd* for sata |
| 08:53.55 | xam | !tell a about sata |
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| 08:57.00 | marccd | hello? |
| 08:57.25 | simonrvn | what? |
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| 08:57.52 | calin | is 22 apache proccesses normal? |
| 08:57.55 | simonrvn | marccd: looks like the files aren't executable |
| 08:58.07 | simonrvn | calin: it's threaded... |
| 08:58.22 | calin | eh heh? |
| 08:58.42 | calin | now there's 25 |
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| 08:59.15 | simonrvn | meaning it runs child processes... it's normal for something like that. check your logs if you think something's wrong |
| 08:59.32 | cat | bob2, u there? |
| 08:59.56 | marccd | simonrvn: I chmod +x them |
| 09:00.01 | simonrvn | cat: you know, you could just ask |
| 09:00.14 | cat | he was helping me |
| 09:00.14 | cat | =) |
| 09:00.16 | marccd | simonrvn: is there a way to fix this?.. |
| 09:00.19 | simonrvn | marccd: some of them should be setuid... |
| 09:00.20 | cat | about my kernel |
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| 09:00.42 | brrrt | hello :) |
| 09:00.55 | marccd | simonrvn: is there an automatic way to this? can debian reconfigure this? |
| 09:00.57 | simonrvn | you shouldn't just randomly chmod stuff. it can breaD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[4~k |
| 09:01.06 | liable | marccd: how did you manage to get it like that |
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| 09:01.25 | marccd | liable: I remember modprobing a module, then everything went to hell, but I doubt that was it |
| 09:01.37 | simonrvn | marccd: no. that's user error. debian doesn't / isn't responsible for that |
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| 09:02.09 | marccd | simonrvn: can I just 777 +x /bin and /sbin? |
| 09:02.25 | xam | heh |
| 09:02.29 | marccd | simonrvn: for now, of course, until I can boot |
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| 09:02.36 | brrrt | is there an "icalendar-server" for debian ? |
| 09:02.36 | marccd | simonrvn: I dont even get a prompt.. |
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| 09:03.02 | simonrvn | marccd: 1) NO 2) boot from the install CD |
| 09:03.10 | xam | marccd: a more reasonable approach would be to reinstall your system |
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| 09:03.28 | marccd | xam: I know, but I am not reinstalling. |
| 09:03.39 | simonrvn | chmod 777 doesn't solve anything. didn't you read my comment about "don't randomly chmod stuff"? |
| 09:03.39 | marccd | simonrvn: why not, is it technically not possible? |
| 09:03.43 | brrrt | i would like to use evolution calendering but not with ms-exchange |
| 09:03.48 | xam | marccd: then it is unlikely you'll get a reasonable answer here ... |
| 09:03.56 | marccd | simonrvn: ok, but just give me a hint on what I should do |
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| 09:04.17 | marccd | simonrvn: what are the default perms for getty? |
| 09:04.36 | simonrvn | marccd: the easiest thing for you would be to reinstall some packages... |
| 09:04.38 | xam | hears even |
| 09:04.51 | marccd | simonrvn: which ones? |
| 09:05.00 | simonrvn | a lot of them =) |
| 09:05.05 | xam | marccd: you tell us, we don't know. You broke it |
| 09:05.09 | marccd | thats helpful |
| 09:05.16 | marccd | xam: I dont even know how I broke it |
| 09:05.23 | xam | marccd: as I said, no reasonable answers ;) |
| 09:05.37 | marccd | xam: before, but weeks ago I installed a few things with update-rc.d, but that cant break it |
| 09:06.00 | katya | all you need is love |
| 09:06.20 | Vince34 | (((o: katya |
| 09:06.21 | simonrvn | marccd: well, we don't know exactly what you did. i'm going on the info you gave us. it could be wrong. but check your disk(s) space, check your memory, check number of open files etc. and PLEASE READ rutebook |
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| 09:07.03 | marccd | simonrvn: hmm. |
| 09:07.17 | marccd | marccd: I did a modprobe on a module, then everything hanged.. I rebooted.. then I got this |
| 09:07.33 | marccd | I mean, the permission problems.. |
| 09:07.35 | simonrvn | katya: love is great and verything, but it doesn't fix debian installs ;) |
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| 09:08.03 | katya | simonrvn: with enough love, they don't break :D |
| 09:08.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:08.16 | simonrvn | touché |
| 09:08.22 | marccd | -rwxr-xr-x root root, for sbin getty |
| 09:08.26 | katya | well, anyway, at least i've never had a problem installing |
| 09:08.39 | katya | recovering is a funny kind of fun though |
| 09:08.43 | simonrvn | marccd: that's ok |
| 09:09.04 | katya | like riding a bicycle wearing crotchless on a cobblestone road |
| 09:09.39 | floria1 | Hello @all |
| 09:09.39 | floria1 | i have got a question about aptitude and packet-status there. How can i tell aptitude to forget all status except installed/not installed |
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| 09:09.53 | simonrvn | katya: is that an "ow" thing? |
| 09:09.57 | marccd | simonrvn: could it be corrupt memory? |
| 09:10.08 | katya | simonrvn: depends on your preference, to me, ow :p |
| 09:10.23 | simonrvn | ok, then it's an ow thing |
| 09:10.29 | katya | i've always found the install cd a little pathetic for recovering a system |
| 09:10.51 | simonrvn | nah, it's fine. though sarge's floppies are missing stuff... |
| 09:10.51 | katya | i've learned the trick is to not mess up a system |
| 09:11.01 | marccd | well brb |
| 09:11.14 | simonrvn | marccd: i *did* mention that.. |
| 09:11.16 | karamelos | Debian does not run the commands I place in .xsession. |
| 09:11.33 | katya | karamelos: .Xsession? |
| 09:12.10 | karamelos | katya, I had it without the capital X. |
| 09:12.23 | katya | try again |
| 09:12.43 | marccd | simonrvn: brb, ill fix it, if not, ill do the harakiri |
| 09:12.55 | katya | most linux compatible filesystems are case-sensitive, so.. |
| 09:13.43 | karamelos | katya, then most man pages are wrong, they type .xsession. |
| 09:14.42 | cat | make-kpkg --initrd when i do this and is done what else do i do? |
| 09:14.57 | Noldo | dpkg -i |
| 09:15.26 | katya | karamelos: or, i'm wrong about the filename |
| 09:15.33 | katya | i'm pretty sure about the case sensitivity though |
| 09:15.44 | liable | cat: do you have a kernel image.deb file in /usr/src |
| 09:15.49 | xam | karamelos,katya: it is .xsession |
| 09:15.53 | cat | nope i have it on my home |
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| 09:16.13 | liable | ok dpkg -i kernel-image blah |
| 09:16.19 | karamelos | xam, then why my debian does not use it? does it replace .xsession with anyother file? |
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| 09:16.27 | cat | the one i have on my home right? |
| 09:16.35 | liable | yep |
| 09:16.55 | cat | dpkg-split: error reading linux-2.6.11.6: Is a directory |
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| 09:17.24 | liable | cat: kernel-image-2.6.11XXXX.deb? |
| 09:17.35 | cat | liable, i download the source |
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| 09:17.42 | cat | on my home, so i compiled it |
| 09:17.44 | cat | with |
| 09:17.51 | cat | make-kpkg --initrd |
| 09:18.04 | Solet | whats the command to run the x server graphic setup? |
| 09:18.17 | liable | cat: no make-kpkg kernel_image too? |
| 09:18.33 | katya | xf86cfg ? |
| 09:18.39 | xam | karamelos: make sure you have 'allow-user-session' in /etc/X11/Xsession.options |
| 09:18.40 | cat | Error: Unknown target linux-2.6.11.6 |
| 09:18.52 | liable | cat: are you trying to compile a whole kernel from scratch |
| 09:18.58 | cat | yeah, |
| 09:19.23 | liable | cat: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 09:19.59 | cat | thats what i just finished of doing |
| 09:20.09 | liable | cat: maybe just one -, dunno I dont make initrd |
| 09:20.19 | karamelos | xam, I do have allow-user-xsession, not allow-user-session. |
| 09:20.21 | cat | after that what else do i do? |
| 09:20.24 | Solet | whats the reconfigure command for teh x servrer? |
| 09:20.30 | liable | cat: did you do make kernel_image |
| 09:20.42 | Rawplayer | is anyone in here useing "expect" make scripts to configure cisco routers/switches from the command line in linux |
| 09:20.50 | xam | karamelos: thats okay |
| 09:20.55 | cat | liable, bob2 was helping me but he's away |
| 09:21.34 | liable | cat: well, did you do the make kernel_image |
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| 09:21.38 | cat | nope |
| 09:21.46 | cat | i'm doing it right now |
| 09:22.03 | liable | cat: your system cannot run on just an initrd afaik |
| 09:22.21 | cat | so when i do make what else do i do? |
| 09:22.36 | cat | i ready put the modules and everything |
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| 09:22.49 | liable | cat: make-kpkg -initrd kernel_image thats it |
| 09:22.55 | cat | i did that already |
| 09:22.56 | cat | dude |
| 09:23.00 | karamelos | xam, anyway the commands in my xsession are not loaded. |
| 09:23.17 | Mw | http://www.whitehacker.com |
| 09:23.25 | xam | karamelos: what session manager area you using? |
| 09:23.30 | liable | cat: well if you did, then you should have a kernel-image.deb somewhere, install it |
| 09:23.33 | karamelos | xam, gdm |
| 09:23.54 | xam | karamelos: arggllll |
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| 09:24.14 | cat | Kernel: arch/i386/boot/bzImage is ready |
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| 09:24.17 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 09:24.40 | liable | cat: kernel-image-2.6.11blah.deb |
| 09:24.41 | gypsymauro | what's the difference with add an entry in crontab and cron.daily? |
| 09:24.51 | cat | i don't have the .deb dude |
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| 09:25.08 | gilles | What is cgi ? |
| 09:25.08 | tibo | hi |
| 09:25.09 | jm_ | gypsymauro: cron.daily is only executed once a day |
| 09:25.09 | liable | cat: look in /usr/src |
| 09:25.11 | calin | cat: get the deb -.- |
| 09:25.12 | FlopsyPete | I'm trying to convert Pegasus Mail for Windows email to Evolution on testing. I've used pm2imap.pl to convert so far. each Pegasus 'tray' is now a directory with sub-folders as files inside. is there an automated way to convert to Evolution's format of a .sbd extension to folders and .cmeta and .ibex.index files to go with each folder? |
| 09:25.21 | cat | ok |
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| 09:25.28 | gypsymauro | jm_: when exactly? |
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| 09:25.46 | wishie | i just installed blootbot in sid, and im getting errors in the blootbot logs about the database.. |
| 09:25.47 | tibo | i would like to know what is the best place to run an iptables rulesets in the init scripts? |
| 09:25.54 | wishie | anyone else experiencing this ? |
| 09:25.56 | tibo | i mean at what moment |
| 09:25.59 | jm_ | gypsymauro: cat /etc/crontab |
| 09:26.01 | xam | karamelos: use xdm if you want your .xsession to be loaded. gdm usually has a default wm, and your .xsession will only be loaded if *no* WM had been specified |
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| 09:26.45 | gypsymauro | jm_: tanx!:) |
| 09:26.45 | cat | i'm in /usr/src already |
| 09:26.58 | karamelos | xam, i'll test that thanks. |
| 09:27.02 | tibo | is it ok to add iptables_rulesets.sh in the debian init networking script ? |
| 09:27.37 | liable | cat: where is you kernel source installed |
| 09:27.53 | cat | bob2, told me to do it on my home |
| 09:28.05 | directhex|work | xam, actually, select "default session" in gdm to use .xsession |
| 09:28.11 | Solet | does anyone know the configure command for the xserver? |
| 09:28.18 | directhex|work | !drxx Solet |
| 09:28.19 | dpkg | Solet: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 09:28.30 | Solet | thank you |
| 09:28.42 | tibo | i would like to know what is the best place to run an iptables rulesets in the init scripts? |
| 09:28.43 | liable | cat: well if you compiled your source from your home directory then your .deb file should be in there |
| 09:28.43 | xam | directhex|work: couldn't be arsed to look it up, don't use gdm/gnome ;) |
| 09:28.45 | tibo | is it ok to add iptables_rulesets.sh in the debian init networking script ? |
| 09:28.59 | cat | i apt-get install the kernel source |
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| 09:29.15 | directhex|work | karamelos, that was probably relevant to you too. in gdm click sessions -> default session, to use your .xsession |
| 09:29.16 | xam | directhex|work: I just look at the scripts and judge by that ;) |
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| 09:29.29 | liable | cat: if you did that, then apt places it in your /usr/src directory |
| 09:29.40 | cat | the .deb? |
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| 09:29.43 | cat | or the directory? |
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| 09:30.28 | karamelos | directhex|work, gotit thx |
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| 09:32.24 | liable | cat: did you apt-get kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 09:32.38 | cat | yeah |
| 09:32.39 | cat | y? |
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| 09:32.43 | wishie | when configuring the kernel to recognise my SATA drives, i just configure as if they were SCSI ? |
| 09:33.00 | cat | but my homework was to installed the kernel and changed the version name when u do uname -r |
| 09:33.04 | cat | so i recompiled it |
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| 09:33.20 | wishie | nm, found it. |
| 09:33.30 | liable | cat: so do you have a kernel-source-2.6.11.tar.bz2 in your /usr/src |
| 09:33.55 | cat | nope i only have the directory |
| 09:34.17 | cat | on my home i have the linux-2.6.11.6.tar.gz |
| 09:34.19 | liable | cat: you have nothing in your /usr/src directory?? |
| 09:34.28 | cat | kernel-patches linux-2.6.11.6 |
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| 09:35.06 | xiaogil | can cgi be a replacement for php ? |
| 09:35.17 | marccd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.19 | cat | those two directories |
| 09:35.24 | marccd | mount -o remount-rw ? |
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| 09:35.31 | wishie | marccd: mount -n -o remount,rw / |
| 09:35.34 | jayson_I | where i can get free domain? PLZ.. help me |
| 09:35.44 | cat | jayson_I, no-ip.org |
| 09:35.51 | Rawplayer | mine.nu |
| 09:35.51 | marccd | simonrvn: fsck fixed a lot of errors, apparently that did it, that and my fstab was messed up |
| 09:35.52 | jayson_I | thnx |
| 09:35.53 | Rawplayer | eu.org |
| 09:36.01 | marccd | wishie: thanks |
| 09:36.07 | wishie | np |
| 09:36.11 | Rawplayer | hello can anyone tell me whats wrong with this it aint bash btw its "expect" its not really scripting language http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=36590 it stops after configure terminal it doesnt send "router bgp 65187" the prompt that i get is virt-ix.rtr-1(config)# so thats fine in the script |
| 09:36.19 | cat | that's all i need to do |
| 09:36.37 | cat | changed the kernels name, and that's it |
| 09:36.46 | marccd | wishie: what do you have for options in your fstab for your root partition? |
| 09:36.54 | marccd | wishie: auto,rw,user,dev,exec ? |
| 09:36.59 | wishie | i use reiserfs |
| 09:37.06 | liable | cat: ok then edit the make file and compile it, what kernel are you running now |
| 09:37.16 | marccd | wishie: and?, reiser doesnt take options? |
| 09:37.27 | cat | 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 09:37.40 | wishie | marccd: i have "notail" at the moment, and thats all |
| 09:37.41 | jayson_I | <cat>: cannot find the site |
| 09:37.51 | marccd | cat: just write a bash replacement for uname |
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| 09:38.13 | wishie | shouldnt "defaults" be enough for a root partition ? |
| 09:38.18 | marccd | wishie: I neeed to switch to reiser, |
| 09:38.22 | liable | cat: you have got your .config in there already from your 2.6.8 kernel |
| 09:38.22 | cat | i fish but my teacher, will find out |
| 09:38.30 | marccd | wishie: also, does fsck leave logs anywhere?¿ |
| 09:38.32 | cat | i did that already |
| 09:38.36 | cat | i have the kernel on my home |
| 09:38.48 | wishie | marccd: not sure. havent needed to run fsck often |
| 09:38.50 | cat | so i want to boot my kernel from my home, |
| 09:38.54 | marccd | cat: do it in C then |
| 09:39.00 | cat | or do i have to move it to /usr/src ? |
| 09:39.13 | liable | cat: what do you mean by you have your kernel on your home? |
| 09:39.27 | cat | yeah i compiled it already but now i want to boot it so i can used it, |
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| 09:39.30 | marccd | wishie: well, theres no way of switching from ext3 to reiser4 right? |
| 09:39.43 | liable | cat: what is the file/directory called |
| 09:39.50 | wishie | marccd: not that i know of, no. |
| 09:39.55 | wishie | ext3 should be ok though |
| 09:40.00 | cat | is called /home/Debian/Kernel/linux-2.6.11.6 |
| 09:40.08 | marccd | wishie: k, thanks |
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| 09:41.46 | liable | cat: thats it? just linux-2.6.11.6 no extension or anything |
| 09:41.59 | cat | nope |
| 09:42.01 | cat | that's it |
| 09:42.36 | liable | cat: what was the original kernel-source you downloaded |
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| 09:42.48 | cat | linux-2.6.11.6.tar.gz |
| 09:43.01 | hummmm | I need to permit something in iptables to use bind service? |
| 09:43.08 | liable | cat: what do you want to change it too |
| 09:43.08 | cat | but bob2 help me out so when at was done with the command he give me he didnd't told me what else to do next |
| 09:43.18 | cat | the kernel name or the version of the kernel? |
| 09:43.53 | liable | cat: do you just want to add 2.6.11.6-blah to it? |
| 09:44.10 | cat | on the uname -r? |
| 09:44.43 | jayson_I | <cat>: you gave a wrong site |
| 09:44.54 | jayson_I | it appears. no-ip.com |
| 09:45.10 | cat | whatever not sure i don't care about it jayson_I |
| 09:45.20 | liable | cat: what exactly do you want to change in the name of it |
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| 09:45.38 | cat | is to be poopies |
| 09:46.02 | cat | 2.6.8-1-386 to say poopies |
| 09:46.05 | cat | on the uname -r |
| 09:46.18 | liable | cat: oh god! so when you type uname -r it comes up poopies |
| 09:46.24 | cat | nope |
| 09:46.31 | cat | it comes up 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 09:46.42 | cat | i wanted it to be poppies |
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| 09:46.52 | amx | hi guys |
| 09:46.55 | cat | brb |
| 09:47.05 | amx | can Unix stations generally use the same monitor connections as PC's? |
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| 09:47.36 | amx | i.e. can you plug an ordinary PC monitor into a Unix workstation? |
| 09:47.52 | zinx | what do you mean by "unix workstation"? |
| 09:47.58 | sep | amx: yes and no, depends on _what_ unix workstation your talking about |
| 09:48.00 | amx | a Sun UltraSparc |
| 09:48.04 | amx | type 1 |
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| 09:48.09 | zinx | i think those have VGA connectors on them |
| 09:48.13 | amx | oh cool |
| 09:48.14 | dave | hi all |
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| 09:48.18 | amx | thanks |
| 09:48.31 | amx | what about keyboard and mouse? do they support PS/2? |
| 09:48.41 | zinx | that i do not know, i suspect not |
| 09:48.46 | amx | phew |
| 09:48.55 | directhex|work | got a usb sun keyboard here i'm not using |
| 09:49.10 | amx | zinx: is an UltraSparc 1 170Mhz equal to a Pentium III? |
| 09:49.12 | njan | amx, a Sun Ultrasparc 1 will not use a regular VGA monitor |
| 09:49.16 | dave | question: My speaker has no audio output but my earphone has after I installed alsa driver, anybody know this problem? |
| 09:49.28 | amx | directhex: they use usb for keyboards? |
| 09:49.40 | amx | njan: what does it use? |
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| 09:50.12 | cat | ok back |
| 09:50.12 | directhex|work | amx, not a type 1, no. personally i can't stand bloody sun hardware |
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| 09:50.19 | amx | why? |
| 09:50.29 | dave | anybody help~~~ |
| 09:50.37 | amx | I wanted to buy a workstation to play around with but i have no experience with Unix hardware |
| 09:51.11 | njan | amx, it has a DB13W3 connector, which is about twice as wide as the monitor connection you're used to |
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| 09:51.40 | njan | amx, you can buy an adapter to allow you to connect your PC's monitor into it for ~$25, last I checked. |
| 09:51.56 | xophEr | how can I redirect my pc speaker sound -> midi or wave file? |
| 09:52.06 | amx | njan: neat |
| 09:52.18 | njan | amx, afaik newer sun hardware (last 2 years) may use a vga monitor and does use usb, but the Ultrasparc1 shipped in about 1995, and uses input/output connectors which are totally different from an ATX PC :) |
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| 09:52.33 | amx | ahh |
| 09:52.38 | amx | maybe thats why its so cheap |
| 09:52.40 | njan | yeah |
| 09:52.45 | njan | the Ultrasparc1 tops out at about 180MHz |
| 09:52.49 | njan | mine is a 166 iirc |
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| 09:52.58 | amx | is the Ultrasparc1 as fast as a P3? |
| 09:53.08 | amx | since its a 64bit cpu eh |
| 09:53.18 | njan | That depends what you're doing with it. Almost definitely no. |
| 09:53.25 | Yoninux | hello, it seams i have troubles with packages version on my sarge, can someone help me to set correct sources.list ? |
| 09:53.31 | amx | where would you rate it on the intel cpu scale? |
| 09:53.34 | njan | It'll run mandrake 7 or debian stable or netbsd with X, but that's about it |
| 09:53.37 | sep | Yoninux: apt-setup |
| 09:53.38 | amx | at a guess |
| 09:53.53 | amx | P2? |
| 09:54.09 | njan | it doesn't really compare, amx. As a desktop? my 166MHz machine is probably about equivalent to a 233MHz p1 |
| 09:54.09 | dave | question: My speaker has no audio output but my earphone has after I installed alsa driver, anybody know this problem? |
| 09:54.23 | amx | ahh |
| 09:54.36 | Yoninux | sep; ok, prob is i have several sources (testing, non-free, main, whatever...) |
| 09:54.49 | njan | dave, there'll be a different mixer channel for speakers than the headphone plug; with mine it's Master for speakers, headphone for the headphone socket, and pcm for 'overall' sound. |
| 09:54.54 | zinx | Yoninux: don't mix releases |
| 09:55.08 | amx | it might not be worth buying a Sun UltraSparc 1 to run X then eh |
| 09:55.17 | Yoninux | i guess i have done that... and now i need to clean the mess... |
| 09:55.19 | zinx | Yoninux: it's better to use unstable than it is to mix testing/stable, and you probably shouldn't do that either ;) |
| 09:55.20 | amx | perhaps i can use my laptop |
| 09:55.44 | dave | njan, so, what should i do to fix this problem? |
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| 09:56.01 | liable | dave: alsamixer |
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| 09:56.50 | Yoninux | "testing main" is ok then (i'll get # of all the rest) |
| 09:56.50 | cat | liable, so how can i boot my kernel from my home directory? |
| 09:56.53 | cat | i'm using grub liable |
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| 09:57.03 | calin | edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:57.14 | calin | and point the kernel line to your kernel image |
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| 09:57.36 | liable | cat: look in your /boot directory, do you have a vmlinuz file? |
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| 09:57.50 | cat | vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 09:58.02 | njan | dave, open your choice of alsamixer and twiddle :) |
| 09:58.05 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good guide to getting lirc working on a primarily-woody system that has a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 09:58.13 | njan | dave, gnome-alsamixer or alsamixer are my favourites. |
| 09:58.14 | liable | cat: do you have one in your home directory |
| 09:58.15 | nomed^ | hi |
| 09:58.29 | nomed^ | which is the best ftp frontend? |
| 09:58.32 | cat | nope liable |
| 09:58.35 | nomed^ | in you opinion :) |
| 09:58.41 | cat | vmlinux on |
| 09:58.43 | jeffrin | when is sarge going to be released |
| 09:58.44 | liable | cat: for 2.6.11 or poopie or whatever you are trying to call it |
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| 09:58.46 | nomed^ | *your |
| 09:58.59 | cat | yeah is on my kernel directory |
| 09:59.00 | EmleyMoor | jeffrin: When it's ready - it's not even frozen yet |
| 09:59.12 | cat | my home directory |
| 09:59.22 | cat | Debian@blah:~/Kernel/linux-2.6.11.6$ ./vmlinux |
| 09:59.22 | cat | Segmentation fault |
| 09:59.29 | calin | -.- |
| 09:59.36 | simonrvn | um |
| 09:59.37 | calin | cat: moron. |
| 09:59.51 | Noldo | 12:59 < cat> my home directory |
| 09:59.51 | Noldo | 12:59 < cat> Debian@blah:~/Kernel/linux-2.6.11.6$ ./vmlinux |
| 09:59.51 | Noldo | 12:59 < cat> Segmentation fault |
| 09:59.54 | Noldo | uups |
| 10:00.00 | cat | ?? |
| 10:00.43 | dave | hi njan, I have tried alsamixer for all options in it, but the speaker still has no audio |
| 10:00.58 | liable | cat: did you just run that as a command??? |
| 10:01.05 | cat | yeah liable |
| 10:01.14 | simonrvn | obviously s/he did |
| 10:01.24 | jeffrin | what are the proxy servers available for GNU/Linux ? |
| 10:01.35 | EmleyMoor | What kind of proxy? |
| 10:01.43 | liable | cat: post the contents of you home directory to #flood |
| 10:01.52 | jeffrin | iam mean network proxy |
| 10:02.00 | simonrvn | liable: um, what? why? |
| 10:02.08 | cat | done lilalinux |
| 10:02.44 | simonrvn | cat: just because it's set executable, doesn't mean it should be execed |
| 10:02.44 | EmleyMoor | "network" proxy - not a kind of proxy I've ever heard of - maybe that's just me though - describe what service(s) it proxies? |
| 10:03.09 | liable | simonrvn: because I dont really know what is going on, if there is a kernel image in there I actualy want to see it |
| 10:03.28 | jeffrin | something like squid |
| 10:03.41 | simonrvn | i think cat needs to read the kernel docs at newbiedoc.sf.net frankly |
| 10:03.48 | liable | yep |
| 10:03.49 | FlopsyPete | does Evolution use a variant of mbox format (with its .sbd directory extensions; .cmeta, .ibex.index and other files)? |
| 10:03.57 | cat | bob2, was helping me |
| 10:03.59 | Yoninux | now that i have corrected my sources.list, how do i clean the mess (keep the good packages, get rid of the oldest, no needed, etc) |
| 10:04.05 | calin | i'd imagine if oyu ran a proxy open to the internet but on an internal lan, you could allow connections that would basically seem like vpn... >_> |
| 10:04.10 | EmleyMoor | Oh, you mean a web proxy... well, how about "squid"? |
| 10:04.11 | liable | cat: stop saying that |
| 10:04.19 | cat | well he was, |
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| 10:04.43 | simonrvn | fuck this |
| 10:05.46 | amx | simonrvn: whats wrong |
| 10:05.47 | jeffrin | hey tell me what are the type of proxies available |
| 10:05.55 | liable | cat: that was the contents of the kernel source directory |
| 10:06.03 | cat | yeap |
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| 10:06.10 | EmleyMoor | Web proxy, IRC proxy, FTP proxy (but many a web proxy can do that one)... |
| 10:06.22 | simonrvn | amx: did something i should have done a while ago. nothing's wrong ;) |
| 10:06.34 | amx | :) |
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| 10:08.10 | xophEr | how can I redirect my pc speaker sound -> midi or wave file? Or just disable the pc speaker entirely. |
| 10:09.14 | directhex|work | !bell |
| 10:09.14 | dpkg | i heard bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. |
| 10:09.30 | liable | cat: where is your kernel-source.tar.bz2, copy it to /usr/src |
| 10:09.37 | jeffrin | xophEr : I did not exactly get you |
| 10:09.42 | cat | i don't have it i only have the tar.gz |
| 10:09.58 | dli | which package contains "ifconfig" ? |
| 10:10.10 | streuner | !find ifconfig |
| 10:10.11 | jeffrin | xophEr : if you do not sound to work you can unload the sound driver |
| 10:10.15 | dpkg | libnet-ifconfig-wrapper-perl: (Multiplatform Perl wrapper for ifconfig), section perl, is optional. Version: 0.05-1 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 70 kB |
| 10:10.22 | liable | cat: ok whatever, copy that then, where did you say you got the source from |
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| 10:10.31 | cat | apt-get |
| 10:10.34 | cat | brb |
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| 10:10.37 | apoth | hi all |
| 10:10.45 | liable | cat: its not a bz2? |
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| 10:10.46 | streuner | dli: why do you ask? |
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| 10:11.09 | Aziz-Work | is there a doc for configuring apache under debian ? |
| 10:11.25 | jm_ | apache docs apply |
| 10:11.30 | sml | what is the correct way (debian way) of adding a static route without just editing /etc/network/interfaces directly in vi |
| 10:11.41 | sml | dpkg-reconfigure network ? |
| 10:11.43 | streuner | dli: net-tools |
| 10:12.32 | xophEr | jeffrin, I think i found a solution, 'apt-get install softbeep'. I wanted to stop my pc-speaker from beeping, and making the beeps play from my headphones/speakers instead |
| 10:12.41 | dli | streuner, thanks, how to search for this with apt-file |
| 10:12.44 | apoth | anybody can help to me? i want to use a pdf printer from windows client |
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| 10:13.19 | streuner | dli: well, pdo or apt-file |
| 10:13.24 | sml | apoth: You can use samba for a printers share or setup a proper print server. |
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| 10:14.10 | jeffrin | xophEr : try it and pls do tell me the result |
| 10:14.22 | xophEr | k |
| 10:14.24 | apoth | ok! how to configure a pdf printer? |
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| 10:14.34 | rocky23 | when trying to compile ip route im getting this error - ./paretonormal >paretonormal.dist |
| 10:14.34 | rocky23 | make[1]: *** [paretonormal.dist] Error 139 i had some other errors but i fixed those as i didnt have bison and libdb2-dev |
| 10:14.43 | streuner | dli: apt-file search <foo> |
| 10:14.44 | jeffrin | apoth : try using cups |
| 10:15.07 | Aziz-Work | apache docs apply ?? |
| 10:15.11 | apoth | :( i dont know how to work it... |
| 10:15.24 | jayson_I | bye tnx to all of you i have found already a domain name!!!! :) |
| 10:15.34 | dli | streuner, apt-file search ifconfig returns nothing :( |
| 10:15.44 | streuner | dli: apt-file update |
| 10:16.18 | streuner | dli: apt-file needs an db |
| 10:16.19 | rocky23 | can anyone tell me what im missing to give me this paretonormal error ? |
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| 10:16.48 | jeffrin | apoth : you can read cups administrators manual. CUPS can be configured using your browser |
| 10:16.56 | streuner | !tell dli about search |
| 10:17.12 | jm_ | rocky23: error code 139 often means something received SIGSEGV |
| 10:17.20 | apoth | just a problem.. i speak bad for english |
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| 10:18.40 | apoth | jeffrin: i need a different language. my language is Hungarian |
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| 10:19.20 | streuner | apoth: what they learn in hungarian? |
| 10:19.30 | streuner | apoth: what they learn in .hu? french? |
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| 10:19.41 | apoth | :) i am a hungarian guy |
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| 10:20.12 | anita | holaaa |
| 10:20.24 | rocky23 | hm: sigserv being bad memory ? |
| 10:20.27 | streuner | apoth: ok, so what language do you prefer? |
| 10:20.45 | streuner | apoth: besides of hungarian ;-) |
| 10:20.48 | anita | gt |
| 10:20.54 | apoth | i speak jhust hungarian correctly |
| 10:21.00 | jeffrin | apoth : do you mean you do not understand me |
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| 10:21.27 | jeffrin | anita : where are you from |
| 10:21.32 | anita | holaaaaaaa |
| 10:21.36 | apoth | understand? i dont know this word |
| 10:21.57 | anita | helloooo |
| 10:22.15 | jeffrin | anita : hello .where are you from |
| 10:22.23 | anita | spain |
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| 10:22.34 | anita | you?? |
| 10:22.40 | jeffrin | anita : india |
| 10:22.49 | anita | ok |
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| 10:23.08 | jeffrin | anita : are you a debian hacker |
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| 10:23.16 | anita | how old are you? |
| 10:23.32 | krisskiller | i'm 17 |
| 10:23.36 | krisskiller | xD |
| 10:23.37 | sep | what kind of host is this since there are 4 users from it right now ? irc proxy or something ? :) linex@242.Red-81-36-39.pooles.rima-tde.net |
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| 10:23.44 | jeffrin | iam 28 |
| 10:23.46 | mariajsoe | hello |
| 10:23.49 | jm_ | sep: web caffe or somesuch |
| 10:23.50 | simonrvn | when did this turn into #teenchat? |
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| 10:24.04 | fooz | simonrvn, a/s/l??? |
| 10:24.08 | jeffrin | hello all debian hackers |
| 10:24.13 | simonrvn | @lart fooz |
| 10:24.16 | jeffrin | no teen chat please |
| 10:24.18 | apoth | goodbay |
| 10:24.21 | sep | jm_ ahh and why oh why are debian the default channel ..... |
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| 10:24.31 | jm_ | sep: we have been asking that a lot ;) |
| 10:24.41 | jm_ | asking ourselves that |
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| 10:24.43 | jeffrin | anita : talk debian |
| 10:24.57 | anita | no understand |
| 10:24.59 | simonrvn | fooz: ;) |
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| 10:25.39 | anita | jeffrin |
| 10:25.43 | mariajsoe | can help me?????? |
| 10:25.46 | mariajsoe | hola ali |
| 10:25.48 | linex_ | hola |
| 10:25.50 | anita | si yo |
| 10:26.15 | linex_ | anda dile que necesitas a anita!!! |
| 10:26.16 | mariajsoe | mayte hija dojnde andas??????????? |
| 10:26.26 | mariajsoe | que?????????????? |
| 10:26.31 | SlayerXP | mariajsoe: ENGLISH. BE SPECIFIC. STOP BEING A FUCKTARD. |
| 10:26.35 | mariajsoe | explicate mejor ali |
| 10:26.42 | mayte | mayte esta hoy fuera de cobertura |
| 10:26.49 | linex_ | no has preguntado que quién te ayuda? |
| 10:26.49 | liable | hey guys maybe #debian-es |
| 10:26.57 | jeffrin | hey does samsung c100 GPRS support GNU/linux |
| 10:26.58 | simonrvn | mariajsoe: /join #debian-es |
| 10:27.12 | anita | fran di algo |
| 10:27.15 | linex_ | esto es pa los intelectuales |
| 10:27.19 | simonrvn | linex_: /join #debian-es |
| 10:27.22 | pablob | sep: probably. tde== 'telefonica de españa', and Im pretty sure we have a http proxy. |
| 10:27.25 | mariajsoe | tia esto es la caña |
| 10:27.27 | simonrvn | anita: /join #debian-es |
| 10:27.38 | mariajsoe | me estan diciendo algo y no se qué es |
| 10:27.39 | simonrvn | @spanish |
| 10:27.40 | ravenbird | spanish users: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
| 10:27.42 | linex_ | que?esto no se entiende na |
| 10:27.42 | petemc | they're trolls, they just need kicked |
| 10:27.44 | mariajsoe | mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 10:27.51 | kaner | why are never operators around here? |
| 10:27.58 | dli | simonrvn, two of my boxes got rooted, infected /sbin/ifconfig, /sbin/init, cleared /root/.bash_history |
| 10:28.04 | simonrvn | @ops rima-tde fucktards again... |
| 10:28.04 | mariajsoe | yo quiero mi hotmail |
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| 10:28.08 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: rima-tde fucktards again... |
| 10:28.09 | mayte | estoy aquiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:28.09 | linex_ | pos eso que what wrong? |
| 10:28.23 | linex_ | repeat me please? |
| 10:28.31 | mariajsoe | paso de esto ali |
| 10:28.32 | mayte | pero q es eso de debian??????''' |
| 10:28.39 | mariajsoe | nos vamos de cañas???????????? |
| 10:28.42 | linex_ | no sé |
| 10:28.43 | simonrvn | dli: so you cleaned up and reinstalled? sorry to hear. sucks :/ |
| 10:28.43 | pablob | probably lost linex () users... |
| 10:28.44 | liable | is still sunday in spain |
| 10:28.47 | mayte | pues yo paso mas |
| 10:28.51 | kaner | un cerveca, por favor |
| 10:28.52 | linex_ | y quien es anita? |
| 10:28.54 | anita | yes |
| 10:28.55 | witless | god i wish i spoke esperanto] |
| 10:28.58 | anita | yo |
| 10:28.59 | idnar | yay spanish floodbots |
| 10:29.11 | linex_ | ya pero quien eres' |
| 10:29.11 | idnar | (or whatever language that is) |
| 10:29.12 | SlayerXP | !ops mariajsoe and mayte need a good kicking |
| 10:29.13 | dli | simonrvn, looks like beyond my understanding, I unplugged, backing up user data now |
| 10:29.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mariajsoe and mayte need a good kicking |
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| 10:29.29 | fooz | idnar, it's spanish |
| 10:29.40 | anita | si |
| 10:29.45 | kaner | SlayerXP: where are the operators in this channel |
| 10:29.46 | witless | i don't care about that language, i just wish i could speak esperanto. i'd cover william shatner's esperanto songs. |
| 10:29.48 | idnar | ~ |
| 10:29.48 | dli | simonrvn, I noticed that, no operation to /sbin/ifconfig is permitted now, rm, chmod, anything |
| 10:29.50 | idnar | oops |
| 10:29.59 | mayte | i don't speak english |
| 10:30.03 | anita | ali |
| 10:30.05 | kaner | SlayerXP: this is the second time some trolls act like they want in here |
| 10:30.07 | linex_ | creeis que no entendemos lo que decíis' |
| 10:30.09 | simonrvn | dli: fucked :/ |
| 10:30.12 | xophEr | jeffrin, no dice, the pc-speaker still played.. |
| 10:30.16 | mariajsoe | very well |
| 10:30.25 | pablob | a ver, chavales, escribid "/join #debian-es" si quereis ayuda para linux ... |
| 10:30.35 | dli | simonrvn: reboot from cd ? |
| 10:30.40 | mayte | paso |
| 10:30.42 | anita | donde |
| 10:30.43 | simonrvn | reinstall |
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| 10:30.53 | mariajsoe | y yo tambien paso |
| 10:30.55 | fooz | dli, are they chattr +i? |
| 10:30.56 | dli | simonrvn, it's a debian box, I update frequently |
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| 10:30.59 | fooz | dli, try chattr -i on them |
| 10:31.02 | linex_ | ali soy yo, lo qur pasa que no se pq he salido como linex |
| 10:31.15 | dli | fooz: the cmd is chattr -i /sbin/ifconfig ? |
| 10:31.17 | mariajsoe | porque no lo has cambiao |
| 10:31.19 | anita | por que hablais todos en inglés?? |
| 10:31.22 | fooz | dli, i guess; read the manpage |
| 10:31.30 | linex_ | eso digo yo |
| 10:31.34 | simonrvn | dli: doesn't matter. reinstall, once you've audited any non-binary user data, and moved that data off. then wipe the drive(s), and reinstall |
| 10:31.45 | mariajsoe | yo very very españolity |
| 10:31.55 | linex_ | que tonta estásç |
| 10:32.00 | simonrvn | lsattr /sbin/ifconfig |
| 10:32.01 | linex_ | eres la mejó |
| 10:32.11 | linex_ | anita di algo |
| 10:32.21 | dli | simonrvn, I once cleaned up one box :) |
| 10:32.28 | simonrvn | oh please, enough of this, move to the other channel |
| 10:32.56 | petemc | has anyone got a voice in #freenode? |
| 10:33.06 | mayte | sin prisas eh????????'''' |
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| 10:33.23 | fooz | just use /ignore like all the cool kids do |
| 10:33.28 | simonrvn | petemc: just mentioned it |
| 10:33.32 | mayte | q me voy porque quiero |
| 10:33.40 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 10:33.42 | dli | fooz, chattr -i /sbin/ifconfig works |
| 10:33.49 | rocky23 | can anyone tell me what iproute2 actualyl requires to make it, as all the instructions dont say at all |
| 10:33.50 | possie | anyone know a usb over ip protocol that is supported bij linux? |
| 10:33.54 | jeffrin | xophEr : try apt-cache search speaker |
| 10:34.09 | mayte | ooooç |
| 10:34.18 | simonrvn | dli: try lsattr some other files. what shows up? |
| 10:34.23 | prcko | doen anyone know about exim4 prob in latest update for sid -5 version |
| 10:34.25 | mariajsoe | please¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ |
| 10:34.29 | linex_ | amo avé que pacha akí |
| 10:34.39 | dli | simonrvn, /sbin/init is also infected, let me see |
| 10:34.40 | TinoW | which package has tools for statistical analysis of tcpdump dump files? |
| 10:34.41 | linex_ | en inglé pos enga |
| 10:35.00 | linex_ | enga mary mayte |
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| 10:35.06 | dli | simonrvn, I don't want to reboot this node, because so many user jobs are running |
| 10:35.07 | PDani | hi |
| 10:35.09 | xophEr | jeffrin, all pc-speaker related it found was: beep - advanced pc speaker, and softbeep. |
| 10:35.10 | simonrvn | dli: what told you it was infected? |
| 10:35.11 | linex_ | chachas ayudarme |
| 10:35.17 | mariajsoe | my friends ali and mayte are very good |
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| 10:35.25 | linex_ | que toy solita |
| 10:35.30 | simonrvn | dli: um, that's moot, if it's been r00ted |
| 10:35.36 | cafuego | !sp |
| 10:35.36 | dpkg | from memory, sp is troubled: you stats pimp! |
| 10:35.37 | dli | simonrvn, lsattr /sbin/init, ----i------------ /sbin/init |
| 10:35.37 | mariajsoe | why????????????? |
| 10:35.40 | mayte | thank you |
| 10:35.40 | cafuego | !es |
| 10:35.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:35.43 | PDani | has anybody got a sound blaster audigy install cd? (i broke my install-cd, but i need the soundfonts....) plllllz |
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| 10:35.57 | zinx | dli: reboot? dude, you need to _shut it down permanently_ |
| 10:35.59 | anita | pero donde se pone eso |
| 10:36.05 | kuru | I've got a problem. I am trying helplessly to use my usb flash disk |
| 10:36.14 | dli | simonrvn, I noticed it while it's working to get in |
| 10:36.17 | mariajsoe | why????????????????????' |
| 10:36.21 | sep | !tell kuru about usb-storage |
| 10:36.23 | mariajsoe | joaquinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ |
| 10:36.25 | kuru | I loaded the usb-sotrage module (2.6.10) |
| 10:36.26 | linex_ | anita qeu estabas en top secret |
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| 10:36.31 | Humbe | Where can I find info on using a docking station with my laptop? Monitor is easily used, but keyboard and mouse are dead.. Don't even seem to have power (work if I boot in windoze though) |
| 10:36.35 | cafuego | Zijn jullie godverdomme blind? |
| 10:36.35 | kaner | kuru: check drivers, then do mount /dev/sda<number> /mnt/foo |
| 10:36.40 | linex_ | oye amonos |
| 10:36.47 | sep | kuru: use dmesg to see if the disk is recogniced when you unplug/insert it |
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| 10:36.49 | mayte | pos si |
| 10:36.54 | mariajsoe | it,s very complicao |
| 10:37.00 | linex_ | pq se están saliendo todos |
| 10:37.16 | cafuego | Oi! Spanish in #debian-es |
| 10:37.17 | mariajsoe | difficult??????? |
| 10:37.18 | dli | simonrvn, after I saw connection to some irc, after I disable in iptables all connection out of 128.135.0.0/16, I unplugged the net cable |
| 10:37.21 | linex_ | yo creo que nos están echando desde hace un buen rato |
| 10:37.24 | petemc | cafuego: rima tards |
| 10:37.25 | kuru | sep, it's not |
| 10:37.29 | mayte | stan de ntras.......... |
| 10:37.31 | kuru | sep, it's as if nothing happens |
| 10:37.37 | kuru | sep, could it be that my usb port is broken? |
| 10:37.38 | mariajsoe | No nos moveran |
| 10:37.41 | simonrvn | dli: any why are you still here talking to us? go fix this box |
| 10:37.46 | mariajsoe | del barco de chanquete no nos moverán |
| 10:37.46 | sep | kuru: make sure you have usb-stoage and the scsi modules loaded before trying |
| 10:37.47 | anita | son of bich |
| 10:37.53 | PDani | anybody? |
| 10:38.04 | anita | yes yes |
| 10:38.08 | cafuego | !icbm rima-tde.net tards |
| 10:38.08 | sep | kuru: more likely your missing sd_mod or scsi_mod |
| 10:38.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: rima-tde.net tards [at 28.3S 17.3E] |
| 10:38.14 | jeffrin | cafuego : hey how are you ? do you remember me |
| 10:38.24 | sep | kuru: or that your usb host drivers are the wrong ones |
| 10:38.29 | cafuego | haha |
| 10:38.29 | anita | que mala leche teneis, joder |
| 10:38.37 | dli | simonrvn, I'm working on, slowly, I'm no expert, you know |
| 10:38.50 | anita | ok |
| 10:38.57 | simonrvn | well, at least you disconnected it.. |
| 10:39.18 | anita | quien será el próximo papa?? |
| 10:39.30 | cafuego | anita: We speak english here. Stop spamming. |
| 10:39.37 | sep | !ops non english trolls that dont get the language |
| 10:39.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: non english trolls that dont get the language |
| 10:39.38 | dli | simonrvn, already disconnected |
| 10:39.48 | SlayerXP | anita: if being stupid hurt, you'd be in constant agony. |
| 10:39.49 | dli | simonrvn, I'm connecting through LAN |
| 10:40.09 | dli | simonrvn, looks like a script, not human, it doesn't notice the LAN |
| 10:40.25 | anita | cafuego where are you from?? |
| 10:40.34 | kuru | sep, wrong usb drivers? |
| 10:40.34 | cafuego | anita: that's irrelevant |
| 10:40.43 | simonrvn | so kill the stupid thing |
| 10:40.44 | anita | fuego is in Spanish |
| 10:40.45 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 10:41.08 | dli | simonrvn, I need to replace those infected files first, and clean up cron |
| 10:41.17 | dli | simonrvn, then, I kill |
| 10:41.19 | anita | cerdos |
| 10:41.24 | simonrvn | dli: no, you need to wipe and reinstall |
| 10:41.27 | cafuego | dpkg: cmd: rima (.*?) is ($tard): <reply> $tard: Si usted no puede hablar inglés, va el #debian-es o apenas sale. |
| 10:41.28 | dpkg | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, cafuego |
| 10:41.33 | cafuego | dpkg: cmd: rima (.*?) is ($tard): <reply> $tard: Si usted no puede hablar ingles, va el #debian-es o apenas sale. |
| 10:41.34 | dpkg | cafuego: okay |
| 10:41.37 | sep | kuru to get your flash disk recognies you need the correct usb host drivers , (usb-uhci or relatives), you need the usb-storage driver, ad you need the scsi drivers sd_mod then you plug in and use dmesg to see if it's recogniced |
| 10:41.43 | dli | simonrvn, right, because they can get in again :( |
| 10:41.49 | cafuego | dpkg: it's utf-8, you halfwit. |
| 10:41.50 | pablob | Im pretty sure xchat or some other app in linex has #debian as default channel or something ... |
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| 10:42.06 | sep | yes it does |
| 10:42.20 | cafuego | bodq: In knoppix unfortunately, yes. |
| 10:42.23 | zinx | pablob: unfortunately, some of the debian-based distributions also have #debian as the default channel |
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| 10:42.33 | cafuego | !rima SlayerXP |
| 10:42.34 | dpkg | SlayerXP: Si usted no puede hablar ingles, va el #debian-es o apenas sale. |
| 10:42.42 | simonrvn | all the debian and debian-based built irc clients get here as a default |
| 10:43.18 | cafuego | A veritable tsunami of morons |
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| 10:43.23 | zinx | irc.debian.org needs to point itself at efnet or undernet or something :P |
| 10:43.26 | sep | cant we just change the default in debian and the debian-based ones will pick up the change gradualy |
| 10:43.33 | simonrvn | i have them on /ig |
| 10:43.36 | adaran | are there 1000 or 1024 kbit in an mbit? |
| 10:43.44 | xam | 1000 |
| 10:43.46 | zinx | adaran: yes |
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| 10:43.56 | sep | adaran: depends on your religion |
| 10:43.57 | cafuego | We could all run off to a different channel. |
| 10:43.59 | simonrvn | zinx: heh |
| 10:44.03 | zinx | adaran: usually communications people like to measure it in 1000's, though |
| 10:44.20 | d3vic3 | bit its actually 1024 |
| 10:44.27 | zinx | adaran: if you're not sure, and it's important, then ask :) |
| 10:44.27 | pablob | sep: maybe it should depend on the locale? ... but then you would have to change all the apps :( ... ba, stupid me |
| 10:44.30 | adaran | zinx, sep , xam: well i'm talking about the tc utility of iproute |
| 10:44.30 | d3vic3 | s/bit/but/ |
| 10:44.34 | kuru | sep, nope, I loaded them all |
| 10:44.35 | cafuego | 1024 meganybbles? |
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| 10:44.48 | simonrvn | adaran: 1024 |
| 10:44.56 | xam | adaran: there is at least 1000 bit in an mbit. when talking about bandwidth, it is usually 1000 ... actually most of the time when you speak about 'bit' it is 1000 |
| 10:45.02 | kuru | sep, ohci_hcd, ehci_hcd, uhci_hcd |
| 10:45.03 | sep | pablob: just change it to #imtoostupidtoknowwhatchannelimin, and they call all talk to eatchother |
| 10:45.33 | sep | kuro : and you have sd_mod also ? |
| 10:45.33 | adaran | simonrvn, xam so if i have a 100mbit network card, it does 100 000 kbit? |
| 10:45.40 | simonrvn | #misconfiguredircclient |
| 10:45.40 | xam | adaran: yes |
| 10:45.41 | adaran | simonrvn, xam (per second) |
| 10:45.48 | sep | simonrvn :) |
| 10:46.16 | simonrvn | #imaluserwithamisconfiguredircclient |
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| 10:46.21 | valdyn | adaran: you mean fast-ethernet i guess, then yes |
| 10:46.35 | adaran | valdyn, yep, that's what i mean. |
| 10:46.44 | sep | simonrvn: would quickly get populated by the newbees and irc-sm's |
| 10:46.55 | simonrvn | yup |
| 10:47.29 | prcko | is exim4 broken in sid ? |
| 10:47.37 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:47.55 | adaran | now here's another question, if i know that i can get about 48-52 K (as reported by wget) net throughput upstream, can i assume that my total bandwidth is about 512 kbit? (kbps?) |
| 10:47.57 | simonrvn | @bts |
| 10:47.58 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename . Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 10:48.19 | adaran | or is it 0.5 mbit, which would be 500 kbit =/ |
| 10:48.23 | xam | adaran: that sounds about right for 512k ... |
| 10:48.31 | simonrvn | yeh, 512 |
| 10:48.37 | KimHansen | I can see that packages.d.o is down, does that prevent new packages form comming into unstable? |
| 10:48.44 | valdyn | adaran: it depends on the protocol |
| 10:48.47 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:48.50 | adaran | simonrvn, so my ISP is selling 512 kbit as 0.5 mbit? |
| 10:48.52 | adaran | valdyn, tcp |
| 10:49.11 | simonrvn | um |
| 10:49.12 | valdyn | adaran: no, on a lower level, sure its all IP |
| 10:49.19 | prcko | ravenbird: i have looken in bugs bug no info on exim4 |
| 10:49.19 | ravenbird | wish i knew, prcko |
| 10:49.32 | valdyn | adaran: you're on DSL i assume theres not just 1 "dsl protocol" |
| 10:49.39 | viyyer | I am trying to configure jabberd I am getting this error on sending a message . <remote-server-not-found/> stanza error . what could be the problem ? |
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| 10:49.44 | kuru | sep, hrmm.. plugging in a mouse doesn't register either |
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| 10:49.54 | adaran | valdyn, cable modem, no pppoe if that's what you mean |
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| 10:50.07 | adaran | valdyn, dunno how my cable modem handles it though |
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| 10:50.20 | amx | hi guys |
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| 10:50.32 | adaran | valdyn, i don't have to supply any auth data though |
| 10:50.35 | valdyn | adaran: yea, its your modems business |
| 10:50.39 | nagual | adaran: you can get tcptest if you can run .exe´s to measure your bw, its made by the swedish 'konsumentverket' which is a governmentthingy to make sure companies keep up the quality of stuff. (actually its called 'tptest') |
| 10:50.46 | kuru | sep, would it be safe to assume the usb ports (both) are broken? |
| 10:51.09 | kuru | they are going to nuke my linux installation and put winxp on it |
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| 10:51.24 | dli | simonrvn, this one doesn't even bother to hide, install most into /scripts |
| 10:51.27 | adaran | nagual, nope, no windows =( |
| 10:51.36 | simonrvn | heh |
| 10:51.37 | valdyn | adaran: maybe cable modems have use a protocol with huge error correction overhead, maybe not ) |
| 10:51.51 | zinx | dli: the pieces you've _found_ don't bother to hide. |
| 10:51.56 | Mombos | anyone know anything abvout postfix? |
| 10:52.03 | amx | I'm having some issues with a laptop I bought (Toshiba Satellite Pro 460CDX)... I bought a new CDROM but can't boot from it.. the strangest thing, if I put a bootable CDROM in the drive and set the BIOS to look at CDROM first in boot order, the drive starts reading and just goes mental...spinning very fast and locks up system... the drive works normally in Windows/DOS tho |
| 10:52.05 | simonrvn | kuru: back it up |
| 10:52.07 | amx | any ideas? |
| 10:52.10 | pablob | Mombos: quite a bit |
| 10:52.14 | nagual | just cause you dont use windows doesnt meant you cant run exefiles. |
| 10:52.16 | adaran | valdyn, i guess i'll see what 512 gives me |
| 10:52.19 | simonrvn | Mombos: #postfix |
| 10:52.27 | kuru | simonrvn, that's why i wanted the flash disk to work ;) |
| 10:52.34 | simonrvn | aah |
| 10:52.36 | kuru | simonrvn, i spent quite a bit configuring this laptop ;) |
| 10:52.44 | adaran | nagual, yep, but i guess i'd need wine or something similiar and i think that might affect the accuracy of the tool |
| 10:52.56 | kuru | simonrvn, it's not so much the data (I already have it on networks).. but the setup/configuration |
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| 10:53.02 | dli | zinx: how boast they are ? |
| 10:53.04 | kuru | this sucks |
| 10:53.10 | Mombos | Pablob: hopefully you will be able to help, i added a smtp as a relay server, changed the ip in my destinations to my local network ip so it would work, but is there a way i can allow all ip addresses? |
| 10:53.16 | Mombos | so i can let my friends use it etc etc |
| 10:53.20 | valdyn | adaran: dsl at 1024 or even 1280 is advertise is dsl 1000 here, b/c of error correction overhead, and issues of fair competition |
| 10:53.25 | simonrvn | yeh, i understand. but even just a cp -ax is enough |
| 10:53.27 | dli | zinx: I once to something hides as apache, and in a fold /tmp/... |
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| 10:53.55 | amx | I'm having a real problem guys |
| 10:54.03 | amx | cdrom just refuses to boot :-/ |
| 10:54.06 | dli | zinx: the scripts even claim to be copyrighted :( |
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| 10:54.26 | adaran | valdyn, well i'll just try it out i think. if i create a queue with 500 kbit guaranteed, it will still get leftover bandwidth from sibling queues if they are idle. |
| 10:54.28 | simonrvn | dli: frankly, fuck them. just nuke the thing |
| 10:54.29 | darkness | Is there an easy way to find out the date a file was created on debian? |
| 10:54.32 | sep | kuru: try some other usb device and see if that shows something in dmesg |
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| 10:55.15 | sep | kuru: also you could try some other host modules. but im not sure of the names in 2.6 |
| 10:55.23 | amx | are Maxtor drives bad? |
| 10:55.35 | Mombos | any ideas pablob? |
| 10:55.47 | adaran | amx, hd or cd? |
| 10:55.51 | amx | hd |
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| 10:56.07 | adaran | amx, i run two maxtor's in a RAID-1. i would say without problems, except for one thing |
| 10:56.13 | amx | ive seen some guys in forums saying they had as many 5 drives fail in 3 yrs |
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| 10:56.28 | pablob | Mombos: In main.cf: mynetworks = network/netmask ,... |
| 10:56.29 | amx | adaran: how long? |
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| 10:56.34 | adaran | amx, when i first got them, a day after i installed them (with the raid up and running), the first drive "died" |
| 10:56.34 | dli | simonrvn, cleaned crontabs, killall suspisious jobs found, rm -rf /scripts |
| 10:56.40 | amx | damn |
| 10:56.54 | dli | simonrvn, ZK rootkit, accoording to chkrootkit |
| 10:56.58 | adaran | amx, however, after running badblocks (without finding anything) i never had problems with it afterwarts |
| 10:57.01 | amx | shoddy production procedures? |
| 10:57.16 | dli | simonrvn, I might be able to know how it got in, so, I know what's wrong with my setttings |
| 10:57.21 | adaran | amx, i might just have been a software issue, not sure |
| 10:57.25 | amx | oh |
| 10:57.27 | luulis | amx: I have ever had only one Maxtor hdd, it doesnt seem to be bad but it makes a lot more noise than my ibm/hitachi hdd |
| 10:57.38 | adaran | amx, well, i've only had them for 6 months, so i cannot realy say |
| 10:57.38 | amx | hehe |
| 10:57.53 | amx | Maxtor is cheaper than most drives |
| 10:57.57 | adaran | amx, well the other drive (same type) never gave me any headaches |
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| 10:58.09 | pablob | Mombos: but be careful to put some SMTP authentication, we dont want another spam mail relay ;) |
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| 10:58.21 | adaran | amx, but building a RAID-1 paid off after only 1 day =) |
| 10:58.34 | amx | i just bought a brand new Toshiba CDROM and cant even boot off it |
| 10:58.39 | darkness | I've created an account for a friend who connects to my box via ssh.Now is there any security precautions i can take to make sure nothing untoward happens. Plus i've installed ttysnoop, is it ethical to tell him? |
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| 10:58.41 | amx | im wondering if its faulty |
| 10:58.48 | Mombos | pablob: what should i set it to, it doesnt have anything in there for netmask |
| 10:58.52 | amx | adaran: =) |
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| 10:59.00 | Mombos | only mynetworks which is set at 192.168.0.0 |
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| 10:59.10 | adaran | darkness, you mean is it ethical not to tell him? =) |
| 10:59.16 | darkness | Yeah :-) |
| 10:59.39 | valdyn | darkness: he can easily DOS your box, if that is what you mean |
| 10:59.42 | pablob | Mombos: 192.168.0.0/24, or 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 |
| 11:00.11 | darkness | Well my main worry is protecting root iguess. |
| 11:00.35 | zinx | darkness: doesn't sound like much of a friend to me... |
| 11:00.48 | darkness | Well i'm paranoid :-) |
| 11:00.49 | amx | I'm facing a dilema, do i put all of my money into a new laptop or into upgrading my fledging desktop system |
| 11:00.50 | Mombos | pablob: will that allow any ip to access it? |
| 11:00.55 | amx | decisions decisions |
| 11:00.59 | nagual | darkness: dont you think you should have thought of taking security measures BEFORE giving him a shell? |
| 11:01.01 | Mombos | as its not internal ips that will be accessing it thats all |
| 11:01.04 | Rawplayer | laptop doh |
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| 11:01.24 | darkness | amx get a desktop unless its vital that you really need mobilty. |
| 11:01.28 | amx | i would like a new laptop and run Linux + xcfe but dunno if its practical |
| 11:01.45 | amx | i guess a desktop makes more sense as i dont need mobility |
| 11:02.01 | valdyn | amx: why would it not be practical? |
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| 11:02.20 | darkness | Excactly. My dilema was the same a powerbook or a g5 for the same price. No compitition:-) |
| 11:02.25 | amx | because laptop screens arent so good as desktop and arent as easy to use for long periods eh |
| 11:02.38 | amx | :) |
| 11:02.41 | alsh | Hello! I am running up-to-date Debian Sarge. I have installed Twisted: apt-get install python-twisted. Then I've tried to remove it: apt-get remove python-twisted. The operation seemed to be successfull, but in fact it is not removed (all Twisted files are in still place). How do I remove it completely? I need it because I want to install Twisted manually from SVN and don't want the old... |
| 11:02.43 | alsh | ...version to pollute python path. |
| 11:02.59 | amx | my desktop system is really slow now and needs an upgrade of mem and hdd urgent |
| 11:03.01 | directhex|work | alsh, dpkg --purge python-twisted |
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| 11:03.23 | amx | i could put all my money into that and bring it up to date, or i could do a minor upgrade and get a laptop |
| 11:03.50 | valdyn | amx: you can buy a whole new desktop for what a reasonable laptop costs |
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| 11:04.11 | amx | I just bought a cheap laptop was supposed to be a bargain, but its got some issues still with CDROM |
| 11:04.20 | pablob | Mombos: it would allow just 192.168.0.{0..255} |
| 11:04.20 | amx | valdyn true |
| 11:04.42 | pablob | Mombos: if you want all ips, try with 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 |
| 11:04.53 | Mombos | pablob ok ill try that |
| 11:04.55 | pablob | Mombos: but be careful and put some AUTH |
| 11:04.56 | gloomy | hi everyone |
| 11:04.59 | amx | im wondering if its possible to boot from Satellite 460CDX laptop cdrom |
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| 11:05.05 | Mombos | yeah i am looking into that now |
| 11:05.07 | dli | simonrvn, how to grep for '-i-', grep '-i-' doesn't work |
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| 11:05.20 | tayar | Hi |
| 11:05.24 | Mombos | i have pop-before-smtp installed but i dont think it is setup right |
| 11:05.32 | simonrvn | wrap it in quotes '' |
| 11:05.40 | liable | alsh: apt-get remove --purge blah |
| 11:05.41 | gloomy | is it really funny |
| 11:05.43 | pablob | alsh: try dpkg -P python-twisted |
| 11:05.53 | tayar | #ubuntu was no help... can some tell me howto use apt-fparchive... i tried googling? |
| 11:06.39 | amx | http://www.linux-on-laptops.com <-- this site rocks |
| 11:06.43 | tayar | !apt-ftparchive |
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| 11:07.02 | tayar | hmmm howdo i use dpkg the bot? |
| 11:07.09 | gloomy | i wanna mount a windows disk |
| 11:07.11 | tayar | dpkg, apt-ftparchive |
| 11:07.44 | pablob | Mombos: I usually go with sasl and a ldap server |
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| 11:08.01 | pablob | Mombos: but it takes a while |
| 11:08.27 | streuner | tayar: /msg dpkg help |
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| 11:09.13 | Mombos | pablob: takes a while as in when you send a email? or to install |
| 11:09.18 | jc-denton | how long will gluck stay dead? |
| 11:09.20 | alsh | directhex|work: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove python-twisted which isn't installed. |
| 11:09.35 | kuru | ok, just called the service center |
| 11:09.44 | alsh | pablob: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove python-twisted which isn't installed. |
| 11:10.02 | alsh | liable: Package python-twisted is not installed, so not removed |
| 11:10.08 | witless | has anyone found that when they do web searches on people they used to know they get a lot of results in web pages showing marathon results? |
| 11:10.11 | dli | simonrvn, grep '\-i\-' |
| 11:10.41 | sml | witless: lots of archives don't honour X-No-Archive. |
| 11:11.05 | sml | witless: use a pseudonym. |
| 11:11.29 | peterS | witless: yes. and school track meets. |
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| 11:13.00 | [SemTeX] | hi |
| 11:13.21 | [SemTeX] | my logrotatie dies because of a noexec /tmp |
| 11:13.37 | liable | alsh: I have no idea how to remove the files automatically once the program is uninstalled, but if you re-install it and then use 'apt-get remove --purge blah' then it should remove the config files. |
| 11:13.44 | [SemTeX] | is there any change this bug will be resolved? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=252197 |
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| 11:14.09 | peterS | [SemTeX]: http://bugs.debian.org/logrotate |
| 11:14.24 | streuner | !dbugs #252197 |
| 11:14.27 | Mash | hello! |
| 11:14.33 | peterS | [SemTeX]: look there and see if your bug has been reported. also contemplate whether it *is* a bug - debian normally doesn't expect /tmp to be noexec |
| 11:14.43 | dpkg | #252197:I[logrotate] Logrotate mysteriously choking on postrotate (moreinfo, sid) Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:03:02 UTC |
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| 11:16.21 | [SemTeX] | peterS: that noexec thing... |
| 11:16.26 | [SemTeX] | i picked it up here |
| 11:16.26 | [SemTeX] | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html#s4.9 |
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| 11:17.30 | peterS | [SemTeX]: noexec doesn't actually take away any functionality, just makes a few things slightly more cumbersome. just so you know. an attacker with half a brain will be able to execute stuff from /tmp regardless |
| 11:18.47 | [SemTeX] | i know that, but it does help against stupid attacks like that phpbb worm last time... |
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| 11:21.07 | R1ck | oi, I just downloaded sarge-i386-1.iso from the .torrent, but it doesnt work, it says the md5 sum of the s/shadow/passwd_4.0.3-31sarge1_i386.deb package is incorrect.. what do I do? |
| 11:21.33 | pablob | Mombos: to install and configure it properly |
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| 11:22.28 | alsh | liable: Thank you, but your suggestion hasn't worked for me... Nevertheless I've solved the problem :-) apt-cache show python-twisted tells me that it is a dummy package. I had to remove python2.3-twisted. Thank you all! |
| 11:22.44 | dli | [SemTeX], anything protect from ZK rootkit ? |
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| 11:24.20 | pablob | packages.debian.org seems up |
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| 11:28.23 | blasty` | can I ask a question about OpenSSH in here? I couldn't find any openssh related channel.. |
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| 11:28.37 | bedboi | hi all |
| 11:28.48 | bedboi | is there any debian rescue.bin with 2.6.x? |
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| 11:30.39 | R1ck | I just downloaded sarge-i386-1.iso from the .torrent, but it doesnt work, it says the md5 sum of the s/shadow/passwd_4.0.3-31sarge1_i386.deb package is incorrect.. what do I do? |
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| 11:30.49 | sep | is there a rsyncable version of this ? http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 11:32.57 | drac | How would one search all files in system containing SUID bit? In name of multiuser system and closing some loose ends. |
| 11:33.34 | blasty` | find / -perm -4000 2>/dev/null |
| 11:33.46 | drac | thanks. |
| 11:33.58 | blasty` | Why doesn't my OpenSSH server accept env vars send by the SSH client? although I have `PermitUserEnvironment' set to yes in my sshd_config |
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| 11:36.13 | nagual | heh |
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| 11:36.18 | nagual | find must be the best tool ever :) |
| 11:36.28 | blasty` | yeah, so many options (: |
| 11:36.33 | nagual | R1ck: dl it again. |
| 11:36.49 | nagual | R1ck: make sure you dl and burn it correctly. |
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| 11:38.37 | darkness | Hi, i have this one last question before i leave you gentleman and ladies alone:- I have installed ttysnoop on my deb box. Now when i test it by logging as local host via ssh all works greap i w | grep ttyp to find the tty session and all works fine. Now the problem is when people ssh into this box isntead of seeing for eg tty/0 i get pts/1 and when i try to /usr/sbin/ttysnoop pts/1 i get nada? |
| 11:38.39 | rocky23 | im having problems compiling iproute2, i cant find out why its erroring or what the error means i hope someone has come across this before.. after issuing make, it gets to gcc -D_GNU_SOURCE -O2 -Wstrict-prototypes -Wall -I../include -DRESOLVE_HOSTNAMES -o paretonormal paretonormal.c -lm |
| 11:38.39 | rocky23 | ./paretonormal >paretonormal.dist |
| 11:38.39 | rocky23 | this is where it errors make[1]: *** [paretonormal.dist] Error 139 |
| 11:39.29 | TinoW | darkness: better use screen -x for that |
| 11:40.04 | Rawplayer | rocky23: apt-get install iproute |
| 11:40.36 | darkness | How do you mean TinoW? |
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| 11:41.04 | rocky23 | rawplayer: yes but i need the later version for 2.6.11.6 |
| 11:41.04 | TinoW | darkness: for what do you need to sniff on other peoples console? |
| 11:41.18 | darkness | Yes TinoW. |
| 11:41.28 | TinoW | darkness: yes? |
| 11:41.55 | petemc | TinoW: in all fairness, its none of your business why he needs to spy on his users |
| 11:42.09 | darkness | Yes to sniff on the other persons console when they log into my shell |
| 11:42.25 | TinoW | petemc: sure. but if the answer is "to support the users" - I'd recommend screen instead |
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| 11:42.31 | TinoW | petemc: thats why I ask. Just use case |
| 11:42.32 | petemc | TinoW: right, i would do same |
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| 11:43.07 | darkness | I only think that i'm being resonable. If he stays good and doesn't do anything illigal then i have no need to sniff the console? |
| 11:43.17 | Rawplayer | rocky23: why? |
| 11:43.18 | amx | sniff it |
| 11:43.20 | darkness | Anyhow how come i can't sniff pts? |
| 11:43.22 | Rawplayer | it works fine here |
| 11:43.50 | TinoW | darkness: what does cat/tail give you? |
| 11:44.08 | darkness | huh? |
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| 11:44.22 | petemc | darkness: have you checked that ttysnoop works on pseudo terminals? |
| 11:44.36 | darkness | Yes it works great when i log in myself and test. |
| 11:44.49 | rocky23 | rawplayer: as previously with old iproute i would get rtnetlink errors, because the iproute tools didnt match the new kernel, so i downloaded and compiled the ones for 2.6.11.6 and it works fine.. im trying to do it on thsi other box and its erroring with that error but i dont know what it means and cant find anywhere that does :) do you know what the error means ? |
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| 11:45.15 | petemc | darkness: you're being obtuse, thats not what i asked |
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| 11:46.46 | abrocadabro | is there a Debian rescue disk or something like that does the same thing like the rescue mode in first install cd for fedora core? |
| 11:47.29 | darkness | The only test i've done is log into my own box via ssh and then open up another console and snoop it which works? |
| 11:47.35 | forkqueue | abrocadabro: What does the fedora rescue CD do? |
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| 11:47.41 | rocky23 | abrocadabro: use the debian cd |
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| 11:48.23 | streuner | abrocadabro: why do you need it? |
| 11:48.28 | abrocadabro | forkqueue: if you installed Fefora, the first cd lets you modify the system even with RPM |
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| 11:49.01 | abrocadabro | my grub is not loading and I can´t use knoppix cd to change anything or use dpkg or apt-get |
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| 11:49.14 | rocky23 | abrocadabro: then put the debian cd in and run rescue |
| 11:49.22 | empty_mind | how can i block someone from scanning ports for my machine |
| 11:49.38 | abrocadabro | rocky23: are you talking about the net-install cd? |
| 11:49.45 | darkness | i.e i can ssh 127.0.0.1 in one terminal and log in. Then i can open up another terminal and w |grep ttyp to find the tty used eg ttyp0 then use /usr/sbin/ttysnoop ttyp0. This method works great locally. |
| 11:50.19 | petemc | darkness: have you checked the ttysnoop docs? doesnt it require some setting up before it works? |
| 11:50.25 | rocky23 | abrocadabro: yer the debian 3.1 cd or whatever |
| 11:50.47 | darkness | Yeah pete i looked at all the docs and set it all up. |
| 11:50.52 | abrocadabro | rocky23: I maybe wrong, but the net-install cd only let you install a fresh copy of debian |
| 11:50.57 | darkness | I may be able to paste what i did. |
| 11:51.04 | petemc | darkness: dont paste in here |
| 11:51.38 | streuner | abrocadabro: as long as you have a working kernel and the packages you need you do almost everything.. |
| 11:51.48 | streuner | can* |
| 11:52.09 | darkness | 1) # dpkg-divert --divert /bin/login.real --add /bin/login (2) # mv /bin/login /bin/login.real (3) # echo "* socket login /bin/login.real" > /etc/snooptab (4) # cp /etc/inittab /etc/inittab.valid (5) # perl -p -i,orig -e 's#getty#getty -l /bin/login.real#g' /etc/inittab (6) # ln -sf /usr/sbin/ttysnoops /bin/login (7) # init q (8) # echo "UseLogin yes" >> /etc/ssh/sshd_config (9) # /etc/init.d/ssh restart 1) # dpkg-divert --divert /bin/login.real --add /bin |
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| 11:52.45 | rocky23 | abrocadabro: put the cd in and then you will see their is a rescue mode |
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| 11:52.46 | abrocadabro | streuner: okay, say I accidently stuffed /dev and the system is not booting any more, what can I do? |
| 11:52.55 | streuner | abrocadabro: or just open a shell and make the changes via chroot |
| 11:53.25 | rocky23 | abrocadabro: on lilo boot just go straight in to an open shell or run th rescue mode from the cd :) |
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| 11:53.47 | abrocadabro | rocky23: you sure the net-install has the rescue mode? I tried a lot of time with no success |
| 11:54.09 | rocky23 | abrocadabro: well i downloaded 3.0 and 3.1 cds and thats what lets me go in to rescue mode |
| 11:54.21 | abrocadabro | streuner: how would you open a shell if the system doesn´t load ? |
| 11:54.27 | drac | afaik, net-install doesn't have rescue. |
| 11:54.53 | abrocadabro | drac: which debian cd does? |
| 11:55.05 | rocky23 | abrocadabro: why not download the debian cds? its on the first one |
| 11:55.09 | drac | sarge cd1 full .iso for example. |
| 11:55.10 | streuner | abrocadabro: we are talking about install-media like netinstall-CD? ;-) |
| 11:55.33 | abrocadabro | streuner: yeah, the net-install cd |
| 11:55.47 | abrocadabro | drac:okay, I´ll try that |
| 11:56.23 | darkness | Does the config i did look okay petemc? |
| 11:56.45 | crazymental | oba |
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| 11:58.27 | streuner | abrocadabro: did you ever use chroot? |
| 11:59.38 | abrocadabro | streuner: yes, only in fedora, I can;t get the rescue mode to work in debian |
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| 12:00.07 | abrocadabro | streuner: I am trying to download the image for the first cd |
| 12:01.19 | streuner | didn't you say you have netinstallCD or a knoppix-live-CD handy? |
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| 12:01.54 | simonrvn | @comfort streuner |
| 12:01.57 | ravenbird | There, there, streuner. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:02.09 | abrocadabro | streuner: yes, but net-install cd doesn have rescue mode, it doesn allow you to mount and work on the system |
| 12:02.21 | streuner | bullshit |
| 12:02.45 | abrocadabro | streuner: didn´t drac agree with me? |
| 12:03.04 | streuner | open a shell with it and chroot the FS |
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| 12:03.19 | abrocadabro | how can you open a shell> |
| 12:03.21 | abrocadabro | ? |
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| 12:03.58 | streuner | boot the CD via linux-single mode or hit 'CTRL-F1 or F2 |
| 12:04.31 | abrocadabro | okay, I?l try now |
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| 12:10.20 | abrocadabro | streuner: it didn´t work, I pressed ctrl + F1 /F2, and linux rescue brings to installation process |
| 12:10.44 | streuner | which netinstall-CD did you use? |
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| 12:11.19 | abrocadabro | streuner: I only have one |
| 12:11.29 | streuner | d-i? |
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| 12:12.10 | abrocadabro | streuner: sorry? |
| 12:12.13 | kneet | migrating from one box to another. get-selections on box 1, set-selections on box 2 - then apt-get dselect-upgrade. Some packages updated - some show up as "in" - in dpkg -l - instead of "ii" - what did I miss? |
| 12:12.29 | streuner | abrocadabro: debian-installer sarge |
| 12:12.42 | abrocadabro | streuner: yes |
| 12:13.12 | abrocadabro | streuner: I was using debian installer for sarge |
| 12:14.02 | streuner | press Alt-F2 |
| 12:14.52 | Humbe | Is there any good and stable rw driver for ntfs in linux or ext3 in windows?.. Can only find beta/payware.. Would like to be able to share some files between both my OS'es.. Do I have to add a fat## partition if I want an area both OS'es can access? |
| 12:14.53 | abrocadabro | are you sure? |
| 12:15.01 | streuner | yes |
| 12:15.21 | abrocadabro | cool, I´ll try again |
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| 12:18.56 | petemc | Humbe: a fat partition is your best bet |
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| 12:19.16 | Humbe | was afraid of that :) |
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| 12:20.17 | Yoninux | hi there, how can i check properly if i have (or not) several packages versions installed and working together ? |
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| 12:20.43 | petemc | Yoninux: you can check they're installed with dpkg -l |
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| 12:21.56 | Yoninux | ... |
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| 12:22.27 | Yoninux | ii libmysqlclient 3.23.56-2 LGPL-licensed client library for MySQL datab |
| 12:22.27 | Yoninux | ii libmysqlclient 4.0.24-2 mysql database client library |
| 12:22.27 | Yoninux | ii libmysqlclient 4.1.10a-2 mysql database client library |
| 12:22.27 | Yoninux | ii libmysqlclient 4.1.10a-2 mysql database development files |
| 12:22.27 | Yoninux | petemc... is this normal ? |
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| 12:22.32 | a | how i can use *.deb pakage i downloaded using aptitue to update anther system, " without downloaded it again " |
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| 12:22.59 | trentbuck | a: Put it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 12:23.13 | directhex|work | Yoninux, type COLUMNS=200 first |
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| 12:23.17 | trentbuck | a: But that will only work if the package is already in a known repository. |
| 12:23.27 | directhex|work | Yoninux, i.e. COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l libmysql* |
| 12:23.28 | streuner | a: pretty useless for only 1 package... |
| 12:23.37 | Yoninux | k |
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| 12:23.50 | Gathond | Yoninux: it is not as such a problem having several versions of a library installed, you might have software that expects a specific version |
| 12:23.56 | directhex|work | Yoninux, you're not getting complete package name information because your terminal isn't wide enough |
| 12:24.02 | a | i do , but still whin i ask for install new one it go to download it form the internet |
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| 12:24.18 | streuner | a: /msg dpkg hold |
| 12:24.23 | trentbuck | a: What package? |
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| 12:24.56 | Yoninux | the problem is that i have a very weird behavior with php/mysql... the very same script is working a lot of place else, but not here, i have gbd apache and php irc suggest i got strange things installed... |
| 12:25.01 | a | any one , even it is founded inside the path you mention before |
| 12:25.02 | Yoninux | k |
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| 12:26.08 | Yoninux | so i have several libmysqlclient.... |
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| 12:27.07 | directhex|work | Yoninux, i sincerely doubt it, since you can't have multiple versions of the exact same package installed |
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| 12:27.32 | goodhawk | hello everyone ! |
| 12:27.33 | directhex|work | Yoninux, like i said, add in a COLUMNS=200. you'll find you have libmysqlclient10, libmysqlclient12, libmysqlclient14 |
| 12:27.40 | TinoW | .oO(maybe the strange things installed are mysql and php ;) |
| 12:28.02 | Yoninux | direct, yeah exact i found that this way... i beeive you suggest this is normal |
| 12:28.17 | Yoninux | TinoW, LOL |
| 12:29.36 | Yoninux | frankly... i'm getting depressed.... nobody seams to get what is going on here....http://rafb.net/paste/results/UAmgwD80.html) |
| 12:30.35 | asg | Yoninux: are you using apache2? |
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| 12:30.59 | Yoninux | no apache |
| 12:31.17 | asg | hmmmm |
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| 12:31.37 | Yoninux | (i know that hmmmm so much :)) |
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| 12:31.55 | asg | Yoninux: yeah, have you asked the #php or #apache folks? |
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| 12:32.04 | Yoninux | yes... |
| 12:32.17 | asg | Yoninux: which debian version? |
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| 12:32.28 | Yoninux | apache guys statued it is PHP, PHP guys it is debian |
| 12:32.30 | Yoninux | :) |
| 12:32.32 | Yoninux | sarge |
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| 12:32.41 | streuner | jetscreamer: J E T S C R E A M E R ! |
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| 12:33.02 | jetscreamer | !greycat++ |
| 12:33.09 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner+++ |
| 12:33.16 | Skywind | lol |
| 12:33.19 | Yoninux | and beleive it or not this happen only on a specific page... (tikiwiki guru don't undserstand why it is happ0ening and i have installed it from brand new 12 times !) |
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| 12:33.40 | jethr0 | heya tabbuddy |
| 12:33.43 | streuner | simonrvn: :-P |
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| 12:34.01 | jetscreamer | hey what's up with the 0 tabbuddy, it looks bad on you :( |
| 12:34.12 | jethr0 | I can't have the same nick twice |
| 12:34.16 | jethr0 | and I can't get to the other IRC client |
| 12:34.17 | tsw | Yoninux: and started after dist-upgrade? |
| 12:34.21 | jetscreamer | ahh ok that's diff |
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| 12:34.23 | asg | Yoninux: that's just odd |
| 12:34.26 | jethr0 | lackeing the appropriate private key :) |
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| 12:35.01 | Yoninux | ... that's just fck !... this very same script is working everywhere, even on my hosted websites... |
| 12:35.04 | tsw | Yoninux: friend of mine had a similar problem yesterday it was with horde imp though |
| 12:35.21 | Yoninux | tsw, what you mean restarted all after upgrade... yes of course |
| 12:35.25 | greycat | jethr0: screen -x means *never* having to say you can't get to your other instance. |
| 12:35.38 | jethr0 | greycat: I can't even access the shell my other IRC client is on |
| 12:35.43 | tsw | Yoninux: meant did the problem start after you did the dist-upgrade |
| 12:35.48 | greycat | not much of a shell, then... |
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| 12:36.08 | jethr0 | greycat: I just dont bring my *very* private key in the office :) |
| 12:36.09 | Yoninux | ... it is a very new box, new install, the problem come from the start |
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| 12:36.27 | jethr0 | unless I can use my laptop, which isn't allowed at this customers place |
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| 12:36.51 | Yoninux | my sources.list is "testing" you think i should drop down to stable ? |
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| 12:36.59 | greycat | Yoninux: won't work. |
| 12:37.06 | kaner | Yoninux: not recommended |
| 12:37.11 | streuner | Youn: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 12:37.17 | greycat | !+downgrade |
| 12:37.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 12:37.26 | Yoninux | k... is suicide recommanded so ? ;) |
| 12:37.29 | nextime | kkk~., |
| 12:37.31 | nextime | kkk~.,~> |
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| 12:37.39 | nextime | ops |
| 12:37.40 | nextime | sorry |
| 12:37.47 | aksn | why sometimes my x-server crashes with the error "signal 11 received" ¿? |
| 12:37.55 | asg | Yoninux: what's the version of the package you are using? |
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| 12:38.03 | asg | aksn: /msg dpkg signal 11 |
| 12:38.08 | greycat | aksn: /msg dpkg sig11 |
| 12:38.15 | Yoninux | ? wich package ? (how i check that ?) |
| 12:38.28 | asg | !signal 11 is <reply>see sig11 |
| 12:38.28 | dpkg | ...but signal 11 is already something else... |
| 12:38.29 | Jean-Luc | aksn: memtest86 |
| 12:38.44 | jetscreamer | !kill signal 11 |
| 12:38.46 | jethr0 | is also :) |
| 12:38.55 | asg | Yoninux: dpkg -l php4 |
| 12:39.04 | greycat | !literal signal 11 |
| 12:39.04 | dpkg | signal 11 is <reply>see sig11, or the most famous karma whore on Slashdot of all time |
| 12:39.12 | aksn | Jean-Luc: i tried to remove one by one my ram modules, but it continues |
| 12:39.13 | greycat | dpkg, no, signal 11 is <reply> see sig11 |
| 12:39.13 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 12:39.28 | jetscreamer | !sig |
| 12:39.28 | dpkg | it has been said that sig is a Special Interest Group, or a meeting of like-minded individuals, with the intention of drinking lots. |
| 12:39.34 | kaner | what? |
| 12:39.50 | tolga | when i run lilo, there is a warning : Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda' . when i compile and add a linux kernel, on startup kernel panics and give VFS mount error. how can i solve these problems? |
| 12:39.54 | Yoninux | k |
| 12:39.56 | Guerin | ~beer dpkg |
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| 12:40.02 | apoth | hi all! |
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| 12:40.05 | daxxar | !sig11 |
| 12:40.05 | dpkg | [sig11] Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 12:40.08 | jetscreamer | !sig is also 1337sp33k for signature |
| 12:40.09 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 12:40.17 | Yoninux | ii php4 4.3.10-9 |
| 12:40.32 | asg | Yoninux: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301713 (might shed some light) |
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| 12:40.41 | Jean-Luc | aksn: it can be the ram itself, the ram controller, the slot, the cache. So the best, to be *sure* is memtest86 |
| 12:40.43 | tsw | really like that bot :) |
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| 12:41.13 | Yoninux | k reading.... |
| 12:41.14 | tolga | does anybody know a solution for these problems? |
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| 12:41.42 | aksn | Jean-Luc: so if it happens when i use a lot of ram, it's not software bug, isn't it? |
| 12:41.51 | aksn | when i used kde it used to happen much more offen |
| 12:42.28 | jetscreamer | tolga: devfs aside, is your initrd stuff matched? |
| 12:42.51 | jetscreamer | bootloader & you actually have an initrd.img? |
| 12:43.03 | tolga | jetscreamer : there is no initrd or i can't find it!! |
| 12:43.17 | Yoninux | asg; they have tried that "reassign 301713 php4".... it doesn't talk to me... how can i do that ? |
| 12:43.19 | jetscreamer | tolga: did you make the kernel or d/l it |
| 12:43.20 | Jean-Luc | aksn: it is impossible to be sure. The problem occurs when the defactive (if any) cell is used and the programs goes out of it own space (i.e. corrupted pointer) |
| 12:43.37 | tolga | jetscreamer, i make it with make-kpkg |
| 12:43.55 | aksn | ok Jean-Luc |
| 12:43.57 | aksn | thanks a lot :) |
| 12:43.58 | jetscreamer | tolga: paste your make-kpkg command line |
| 12:44.15 | jetscreamer | or tolga |
| 12:44.22 | tolga | make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image |
| 12:44.25 | jetscreamer | did you add --initrd to the command line |
| 12:44.29 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 12:44.38 | jetscreamer | just like it says in the manual... :p |
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| 12:44.57 | tolga | do i have to add --initrd to make-kpkg command??? |
| 12:45.17 | Guerin | tolga: do you need an initrd? |
| 12:45.29 | jetscreamer | tolga: if you use initrd.. you can also comment out the initrd line in lilo.conf |
| 12:45.32 | Guerin | tolga: it doesn't look like it to me, but that might be the issue |
| 12:46.00 | jetscreamer | Guerin: that dev lun error will function, it's usually just a warning when lilo runs |
| 12:46.10 | Guerin | jetscreamer: oh, ok |
| 12:46.28 | Yoninux | "reassign 301713 php4".... it doesn't talk to me... how can i do that ? Can someone help to do that ? |
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| 12:46.57 | apoth | sziasztok |
| 12:47.00 | tolga | jetscreamer, i erase initrd line from lilo.conf, and it didn't worked. do you say i have to add --initrd parameter to make-kpkg? |
| 12:47.01 | jetscreamer | tolga: imo, comment out the initrd line in the /vmlinuz stanza in /etc/lilo.conf and rerun lilo, or recompile with the --initrd switch is my advice |
| 12:47.09 | asg | Yoninux: the point was to get the sid php4 package and see if it fixes the problem. |
| 12:47.24 | jetscreamer | tolga after you erase it did you rerun lilo? |
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| 12:47.30 | asg | Yoninux: grab it from snapshot.debian.net, and dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 12:47.32 | Bigup | join #linux |
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| 12:47.46 | jetscreamer | Bigup: it's ##linux |
| 12:48.02 | tolga | yes, i did. because. when it is there, it gives me an error. i can't find initrd |
| 12:48.17 | tolga | sorry, it cant find |
| 12:48.18 | Mawbid | I have a problem with Samba 3 and WinXP clients. in /some/ directories, when they create/delete a file using windows explorer, the change is not shown automatically -- you have to refresh. The permissions and ownership on directories where this does and doesn't happen don't seem to be the deciding factor and I couldn't find any clues in a level 3 log. Any ideas? Has anyone else seen the problem? |
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| 12:48.27 | jethr0 | Mawbid: /j #samba |
| 12:48.38 | Mawbid | hmm, good idea :-) |
| 12:48.42 | jethr0 | rather |
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| 12:48.48 | jetscreamer | tolga: you may not have all the proper modules compiled in, like ide controller... |
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| 12:48.58 | Yoninux | asg, sorry but i'm a little lost (being new oin linux doesn't help of course)...can you guide me ? |
| 12:49.07 | colloron | uhm, anybody knows how do i disable/enable write messages? |
| 12:49.22 | jetscreamer | but tolga yeah if you recompile with the --initrd switch it should work |
| 12:49.33 | sml | colloron: Have you read the write man page? |
| 12:49.36 | jetscreamer | write messages? |
| 12:49.53 | colloron | im going over it now |
| 12:49.55 | sml | colloron: You can prevent people (other than the super-user) from writing to you |
| 12:49.56 | sml | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.57 | jetscreamer | tolga: check out make-kpkg --targets too |
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| 12:50.01 | jethr0 | colloron: man mesg |
| 12:50.02 | rvaldes | debian-es |
| 12:50.06 | colloron | i noticed that i cant even write to someone if im root, weird :p |
| 12:50.12 | rvaldes | buenos dias tardes y noches |
| 12:50.16 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 12:50.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:50.21 | Yoninux | asg, i found that link, http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/dists/pool/php4-pgsql.... and then |
| 12:50.22 | tolga | jetscreamer, i'm going to try it now. thanks |
| 12:50.25 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.35 | rvaldes | pregunta quien conoce algun programa para fabricar redes en dibujo |
| 12:50.35 | Bigup | is someone having this problem : when i plug an usbkey or my webcam all works, but when i do (umount) rmmod the devices are still powered ..... hoiw can i power off my cam oor key ? |
| 12:50.40 | jetscreamer | buena suerta! |
| 12:50.53 | jethr0 | Bigup: unplug them? |
| 12:50.54 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 12:50.55 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 12:51.16 | Bigup | ok but it's not a normal function |
| 12:51.17 | jetscreamer | fabricar redes en dibujo... no comprendo |
| 12:51.34 | jetscreamer | make something |
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| 12:51.37 | greycat | Bigup: unplugging your key isn't "normal"?? |
| 12:51.38 | jethr0 | Bigup: then use the poweroff switch on either the key or the cam |
| 12:51.42 | rvaldes | como el que tiene cisco |
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| 12:51.59 | jethr0 | greycat: depends on what your definition of the norm is |
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| 12:52.01 | jethr0 | heh |
| 12:52.04 | Bigup | i daont want to unplug my webcam all the time i use it |
| 12:52.20 | Bigup | and soory but it's not normal for me |
| 12:52.29 | greycat | Bigup: then press the shiny power button |
| 12:52.30 | Bigup | not used -> no power |
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| 12:52.32 | jetscreamer | if you hurl it on the concrete you won't have to worry about turning it off |
| 12:52.43 | Guerin | that's not true |
| 12:52.50 | Guerin | flash memory is rugged! |
| 12:52.51 | jethr0 | Bigup: that's a weird point of view |
| 12:52.54 | Bigup | greycat: jethr0 thanks for useful info |
| 12:52.58 | jetscreamer | oh ok you'll stil have to turn it off Guerin says |
| 12:53.04 | jetscreamer | np dude |
| 12:53.29 | Bigup | jethr0: why ? |
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| 12:53.56 | jetscreamer | just leave your cam on so we can hack into it and look at you |
| 12:53.57 | tolga | jetscreamer, I'm making the package again. but what is the reason of this warning? Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda' |
| 12:54.01 | jethr0 | Bigup: because unless your device has a power off switch, as long as it's plugged to the USB bus, then it's powered |
| 12:54.22 | Bigup | jetscreamer: come men come ... |
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| 12:54.28 | jethr0 | Bigup: so I don't see how you'd like to poweroff unused devices without individual switches on each device |
| 12:54.31 | Bigup | lol |
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| 12:54.34 | tolga | jetscreamer : the warning appears when i run lilo |
| 12:54.35 | jetscreamer | tolga: it's an ignorable error, in itself... it has to do with devfs directory structures |
| 12:54.37 | asg | Yoninux: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/03/25/debian/pool/main/p/php4/ (download the deb for your architecture. It will be near the bottom) |
| 12:54.54 | asg | Yoninux: when you've downloaded it, type 'dpkg -i <deb>' |
| 12:55.09 | jetscreamer | tolga: i'm not up on the details but have a good working knowledge of it.. aka ignore it :) |
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| 12:55.17 | jethr0 | Bigup: where did you get your definition of "normal" concerning your usb devices magically switched off when not used? |
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| 12:55.27 | Bigup | jethr0: with acpi |
| 12:55.28 | Yoninux | ok thanks asg |
| 12:55.33 | Guerin | Bigup: you know how usb power works, eh? Plug device in -> it gets power |
| 12:55.46 | tolga | jetscreamer, ok. thank you so much. I'm trying what you advice me to do |
| 12:55.52 | jethr0 | Bigup: did you ever see a system behaving how you'd like your linux to behave? |
| 12:56.12 | jetscreamer | tolga: luckily for me it's decent advice, or i might feel bad... :) |
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| 12:56.31 | Bigup | so i hate windows but flash keys are unpowered after |
| 12:56.41 | jethr0 | that's not true |
| 12:56.50 | jethr0 | I m on 2k atm, just plugged my key, which isn't used |
| 12:56.57 | tolga | jetscreamer, :) |
| 12:56.57 | jethr0 | and it's powered |
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| 12:57.07 | kyughanum | what version of debian support i586? |
| 12:57.11 | Bigup | i have 2 and all works like that |
| 12:57.15 | Guerin | kyughanum: i386 |
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| 12:57.43 | kyughanum | hello all |
| 12:57.57 | jethr0 | Bigup: then ask MS how they do their magic |
| 12:58.04 | greycat | kyughanum: all of 'em. |
| 12:58.25 | Bigup | jethr0: i"ll try now whith xp |
| 12:58.39 | jethr0 | Bigup: unless you manually tell it to be stopped |
| 12:58.41 | jetscreamer | oooo experience points! |
| 12:58.44 | jethr0 | it will be powered on |
| 12:58.53 | Bigup | aaaaaaaaaaah it's horrible, i'm under xp ...... |
| 12:59.02 | jethr0 | come on don't be a troll |
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| 12:59.57 | Guerin | trollsnacks! |
| 12:59.58 | directhex|work | jetscreamer gains 170 EXP |
| 13:00.00 | directhex|work | level up! |
| 13:00.05 | jethr0 | hah |
| 13:00.06 | Guerin | nonono |
| 13:00.12 | Guerin | he hasn't even hooked a troll yet |
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| 13:00.32 | Guerin | directhex|work: you're a wussy dm |
| 13:00.35 | jetscreamer | yeah but nowadays mmorpg's want 1,000,00 xp to level |
| 13:00.43 | jetscreamer | errr0 |
| 13:00.47 | jethr0 | jetscreamer: and that's for level1 only |
| 13:00.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:00.50 | Yoninux | asg, |
| 13:01.01 | Yoninux | debian:/home/yoni# 'dpkg -i <deb>' |
| 13:01.01 | Yoninux | bash: dpkg -i <deb>: command not found |
| 13:01.06 | jethr0 | hah |
| 13:01.11 | directhex|work | Guerin is stuck by lightning, dies |
| 13:01.14 | Guerin | Yoninux: yegods |
| 13:01.20 | Yoninux | the package downoad is there |
| 13:01.22 | jethr0 | Yoninux: <deb> should be /path/to/debian/package.deb |
| 13:01.24 | Guerin | directhex|work: no fair |
| 13:01.25 | jetscreamer | Yoninux: you're supposed to supply the .deb's filename |
| 13:01.28 | greycat | Yoninux: are you *stupid*? |
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| 13:01.37 | greycat | my god. |
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| 13:01.40 | Guerin | directhex|work: i'm taking my dice and my soda and getting on my bike to go home |
| 13:01.41 | jethr0 | he said he was a newbie :) |
| 13:01.50 | greycat | jethr0: even *that* doesn't explain it. |
| 13:01.51 | Yoninux | my god is someone else i guess... |
| 13:01.58 | Guerin | it's the quotes |
| 13:02.04 | greycat | you have to be *dense as a brick* to put the single quotes around the command. |
| 13:02.06 | Yoninux | ok thanks jethr0 |
| 13:02.20 | jetscreamer | Yoninux: type the first few letters of the package and hit tab for autocomplete |
| 13:02.23 | streuner | How can i 'switch' to another Desktop in ob3 using F1-F4? |
| 13:02.45 | directhex|work | Guerin, leave the cheetoes multi-pack |
| 13:02.51 | Bigup | so xp unpower the key.... maybe only turn off the led .... :) |
| 13:02.55 | jetscreamer | ob3? |
| 13:03.03 | asg | streuner: edit your key bindings |
| 13:03.03 | streuner | !info openbox |
| 13:03.08 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 13:03.08 | dpkg | openbox: (standards compliant, fast, light-weight, extensible window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.2-7 (sid), Packaged size: 204 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
| 13:03.12 | jethr0 | Bigup: didn't you manually tell it to stop powereing the key? |
| 13:03.14 | streuner | asg: how can do that? |
| 13:03.18 | Guerin | directhex|work: only if you let my new character have a +1 lure of trolling |
| 13:03.26 | Bigup | yes i do |
| 13:03.29 | resiak | streuner: Read the docs on openbox.org |
| 13:03.31 | asg | streuner: the xml file in your ~/.openbox directory if I remember. |
| 13:03.33 | jetscreamer | streuner: it's ctrl+alt+number (not F) maybe |
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| 13:03.44 | directhex|work | Guerin, how about cursed haircut of troll attraction +3? |
| 13:03.45 | resiak | streuner: Alternatively, /j #flood and I'll give you my keybindings. |
| 13:03.46 | Bigup | can i with linuw ? |
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| 13:03.50 | jetscreamer | works here for icewm |
| 13:03.56 | kyughanum | sorry~~i |
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| 13:03.57 | asg | streuner: you might also try CTRL+Right Arrow / CTRL + Left Arrow |
| 13:03.57 | soloflyer | heya |
| 13:03.58 | trygvebw | Hi, anyone here with a Epson Stylus Photo 9xx printer? That can print directly on CD's? |
| 13:03.59 | Guerin | directhex|work: already got one |
| 13:04.04 | Bigup | jethr0: can i with linux ? |
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| 13:04.22 | kyughanum | what version of debian support i586? |
| 13:04.31 | jetscreamer | kyughanum: they told you, i386 |
| 13:04.32 | streuner | all versions? |
| 13:04.34 | Bigup | kyughanum: debian i386 |
| 13:04.35 | Guerin | kyughanum: all versions; i386 architecture |
| 13:04.49 | kyughanum | i tried many version |
| 13:04.54 | Yoninux | thanks too jetscreamer |
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| 13:05.11 | CyberShadow | (how) can I install source rpms? |
| 13:05.12 | Bigup | jethr0: mmmmmh silence ? |
| 13:05.13 | Guerin | kyughanum: what happen? |
| 13:05.16 | kyughanum | no~~i tried many version |
| 13:05.26 | streuner | CyberShadow: Don't |
| 13:05.26 | jetscreamer | try the correct one... |
| 13:05.27 | soloflyer | is there support for the i586 arc i thought it was just 386 or 686 |
| 13:05.28 | Guerin | CyberShadow: you can't - this is debian, not rpmware |
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| 13:05.33 | CyberShadow | ok |
| 13:05.38 | kyughanum | cant boot with the cd |
| 13:05.38 | jetscreamer | !wayttd kyughanum |
| 13:05.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, kyughanum? |
| 13:05.45 | Guerin | soloflyer: duh |
| 13:06.01 | kyughanum | many many version |
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| 13:06.09 | Guerin | kyughanum: and what happen? |
| 13:06.16 | jetscreamer | kyughanum: the problem is you can't boot the cd? |
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| 13:06.20 | jethr0 | Bigup: sorry for not being a dedicated support for you but I m not even paid for that, and I m in the office, so I have to work at the same time, and to answer your question, I don't see a point in doing that, prolly cause I don't have devices like a cam plugged 24x7 |
| 13:06.21 | Guerin | did someone set you up the bomb? |
| 13:06.26 | kyughanum | my machine is compaq deskpro 2000 |
| 13:06.29 | soloflyer | what you say |
| 13:06.40 | jetscreamer | it's YOU! |
| 13:06.50 | kyughanum | yes~~it boot failt |
| 13:06.54 | Yoninux | ok i have done that... i have stopped apache, i guess i should restart php or mysql, how ? (greycat don't waste your time i have learn irc ignore command) |
| 13:06.58 | Guerin | !d-i kyughanum |
| 13:06.59 | dpkg | kyughanum, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:07.10 | resiak | (Someone set up kyughanum the boot?) |
| 13:07.18 | Guerin | Yoninux: man invoke-rc.d |
| 13:07.20 | directhex|work | main boot turn on! |
| 13:07.27 | resiak | directhex|work: We get d-i! |
| 13:07.27 | jetscreamer | kyughanum: are you trying to boot the cd from the same drive you burned it in? and did you burn the iso to cd not just copy the iso to cd? |
| 13:07.30 | directhex|work | we get sigsegv! |
| 13:07.30 | Guerin | you have no chance to boot make your time |
| 13:07.31 | greycat | Guerin: that's *so* red hat. |
| 13:07.32 | kyughanum | what ? |
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| 13:08.08 | resiak | Enough AYB, methinks. |
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| 13:08.09 | jetscreamer | take off every sigsegv |
| 13:08.09 | Bigup | jethr0: sorry fo conveniance but i't you that tell me it was not possible, my question was just if i can with linux ... you said that it was not possible at all, so thank you but i dont need your "dedicated support" |
| 13:08.13 | Guerin | greycat: heh |
| 13:08.19 | resiak | Move udeb, for great justice. |
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| 13:08.38 | jetscreamer | Bigup: we love you too |
| 13:08.40 | Yoninux | tks guerin very usefull |
| 13:08.41 | kyughanum | i dont known how to do~~i only know to burn a CD a boot |
| 13:08.42 | jethr0 | Bigup: I didn't say it was not possible |
| 13:08.57 | jethr0 | Bigup: I ENOCLUE'd |
| 13:09.04 | kyughanum | oh |
| 13:09.10 | jetscreamer | kyughanum: when you look at the cd in windows or whatever you see a lot of files not just one big one eh |
| 13:09.19 | Guerin | kyughanum: go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ; download and burn an i386 cd-installer; boot, follow instructions |
| 13:09.27 | Bigup | jethr0: mmmmh scroll up |
| 13:09.41 | jethr0 | Bigup: and the point about dedicated support is that you can't expect me to reply within a minute |
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| 13:09.54 | jetscreamer | !fuck Bigup |
| 13:09.56 | Guerin | Yoninux: you're welcome |
| 13:10.07 | jethr0 | Bigup: I said "I don't see a point in doing that", I didn't say "you can't do it" |
| 13:10.16 | Bigup | mmmm i like it like that |
| 13:10.25 | jetscreamer | great |
| 13:10.30 | kyughanum | Guerin ~~let me have a try |
| 13:10.43 | Guerin | kyughanum: you have my permission |
| 13:10.47 | soloflyer | what replaced ncurses in unstable? |
| 13:10.53 | Arrk_ | hi, does anybody can help me with my X server...I have a NVidia Gforce2 MX card...and I configure it with xf86config but never works...I use 'woody' and somebody told me that my card doesnt runs on woody...does anybody can help me? |
| 13:10.54 | Bigup | must i do citations ? |
| 13:11.12 | jetscreamer | kyughanum: so were you trying to boot the cd with the same drive you burned it in or did you change the cd to another drive |
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| 13:11.13 | jethr0 | Bigup: if you can quote in decent english, go on |
| 13:11.15 | Guerin | soloflyer: ncurses |
| 13:11.19 | asg | Arrk_: use sarge (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 13:11.28 | jetscreamer | libncurses5 |
| 13:11.32 | Guerin | Arrk_: must you use woody? |
| 13:11.34 | asg | Arrk_: or /msg dpkg woody->sarge (to upgrade) |
| 13:11.39 | soloflyer | thx jetscreamer |
| 13:11.50 | Bigup | sorry for beeing french |
| 13:11.51 | jetscreamer | Arrk_: nv functions for gf2mx |
| 13:11.53 | kyughanum | my SCSI card is AHA-1540~~can it support? |
| 13:11.55 | jethr0 | Bigup: I m french too |
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| 13:12.11 | jetscreamer | soloflyer: see also libncurses5-dev |
| 13:12.11 | Guerin | jetscreamer: in woody? |
| 13:12.12 | jethr0 | Bigup: being french isn't a valid excuse :) |
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| 13:12.20 | Guerin | jethr0: depends what for |
| 13:12.29 | jetscreamer | Guerin: i thought so but now you make me doubt |
| 13:12.30 | Arrk_ | jetscreamer dont runs |
| 13:12.31 | Bigup | sorry for lacks in school |
| 13:12.35 | jethr0 | Guerin: at least for not speaking foreign languages |
| 13:12.40 | jetscreamer | Arrk_: i wuz worng then :/ |
| 13:12.43 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 13:12.45 | mikkel | can someone plz help me with setting up Qt ? i'v got it installed but when i run make after running qmake i get an error: make: *** No rule to make target `/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop |
| 13:12.56 | Guerin | !wayc mikkel |
| 13:12.57 | dpkg | mikkel: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:13.02 | soloflyer | use sid cause everyone likes to destroy toys :P |
| 13:13.09 | jethr0 | Guerin: what would it be a valid excuse for? |
| 13:13.09 | jethr0 | :) |
| 13:13.22 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, technically, yes, it should do so. however, i think some geforce 2 mx variants were released after woody's x (i'd need to check further) |
| 13:13.26 | streuner | mikkel: use the debian packages |
| 13:13.34 | Arrk_ | asg ok...and to update is just put that command right? and my whole system will be upgraded? |
| 13:13.36 | directhex|work | forcing a chipid in xf86config ought to help |
| 13:13.39 | tosh| | any way of obtaining mplayer through apt-get? |
| 13:13.39 | kyughanum | can debian support my SCSI card~AHA-1540 |
| 13:13.39 | mikkel | i did |
| 13:13.45 | Bigup | jethr0: sor for you it's possible but not with linux ? or what ? i need conclusions from you |
| 13:13.47 | Guerin | jethr0: well, the canonical thing would be being an arrogant bastard, but let's not be unfriendly :) |
| 13:13.48 | asg | Arrk_: no, read the factoid (/msg dpkg woody->sarge) |
| 13:13.50 | directhex|work | !tell tosh| about marillat |
| 13:13.55 | asg | Arrk_: though wait until directhex|work has done his research |
| 13:13.58 | streuner | mikkel: if the tarball isn't in debian just './configure' and set the lib-dir |
| 13:14.01 | jethr0 | Guerin: hah |
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| 13:14.06 | petemc | kyughanum: check if its supported by the linux kernel, if so - yes |
| 13:14.16 | Bigup | Guerin: i agree |
| 13:14.23 | mikkel | i installed qt with apt-get |
| 13:14.33 | Guerin | kyughanum: see if the linux kernel supports it |
| 13:14.35 | Arrk_ | asg what research |
| 13:14.41 | streuner | mikkel: so you wanna compile an app? |
| 13:14.45 | Guerin | !listkeys compaq |
| 13:14.46 | asg | Arrk_: whether woody's X supports your card |
| 13:14.47 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'compaq' by key (2): be compaq barbie ;; compaq. |
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| 13:14.54 | Guerin | !compaq |
| 13:14.54 | dpkg | compaq is probably a bunch of evil bastards that ship machines with twisted and perverted BIOSes and NO fscking IDE controllers. now owned by hp |
| 13:15.02 | Arrk_ | asg :) ok |
| 13:15.03 | jethr0 | Bigup: I said I had NO CLUE on how to do that, and DON'T SEE A POINT in doing that. now where did uyou read me say "its not possible on linux" ? |
| 13:15.15 | directhex|work | i'd need to compare the lspci output of his card to what woody's nv driver is aware of |
| 13:15.21 | directhex|work | can't be arsed really, just use sarge |
| 13:15.22 | Guerin | hrm, someone made some d-i images specifically for compaq machines |
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| 13:15.26 | asg | directhex|work: hah :) |
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| 13:15.31 | mikkel | yah |
| 13:15.32 | mikkel | yeah * |
| 13:15.35 | asg | Arrk_: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 13:15.42 | amx | is compaq the largest company in the world still for PCs? |
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| 13:15.49 | streuner | mikkel: ./configure --help |
| 13:15.54 | aardvark | asg: you would know. |
| 13:15.54 | greycat | compaq isn't even a company any more |
| 13:15.58 | greycat | HP bought 'em |
| 13:16.05 | petemc | aardvark: dell |
| 13:16.05 | amx | greycat: HP is now the largest? |
| 13:16.08 | petemc | gah |
| 13:16.08 | Arrk_ | asg ok, but is it a fail in woody? |
| 13:16.08 | asg | aardvark: ;) |
| 13:16.10 | mikkel | there is no such file |
| 13:16.12 | greycat | amx: no idea |
| 13:16.16 | streuner | mikkel: and set the libdir to the libs where they installed in debian |
| 13:16.30 | greycat | !wikifaq mikkel DevelopmentPage |
| 13:16.30 | dpkg | mikkel: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DevelopmentPage or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:16.30 | amx | IBM makes shoddy computers |
| 13:16.30 | petemc | amx: dell are |
| 13:16.31 | asg | Arrk_: what the nvidia card? probably. I wouldn't use woody for a desktop type system these days. |
| 13:16.31 | Guerin | amx: untrue |
| 13:16.34 | directhex|work | dell are always biggest |
| 13:16.35 | streuner | mikkel: there is no configure? |
| 13:16.41 | Bigup | jethr0 Bigup: where did you get your definition of "normal" concerning your usb devices magically switched off when not used? |
| 13:16.43 | amx | dont u think? The plastics and design of IBM's are cheap and nasty? |
| 13:16.48 | darkness | mac's are the best made machines imo:-) |
| 13:16.53 | asg | amx: never seen a thinkpad eh? |
| 13:16.54 | jetscreamer | ibm makes kickass stock |
| 13:16.55 | mikkel | only my source file and a makefile |
| 13:16.56 | kyughanum | oh~~Guetin~~this version i tried~~it cant boot |
| 13:16.58 | amx | mac is the top of the game for design and quality |
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| 13:17.12 | jethr0 | Bigup: and you said it was manual on xp, so there aint no magic is there? |
| 13:17.21 | asg | amx: until you drop one or look at one menacingly |
| 13:17.21 | streuner | mikkel: uhm |
| 13:17.22 | amx | its true IBM's very modular and userable, but they just dont look good or feel good |
| 13:17.22 | Guerin | kyughanum: google around for linux support of your machine |
| 13:17.25 | jethr0 | Bigup: just look for yourself, and give me a break |
| 13:17.28 | darkness | Mind you if i ever bought a laptop it would either be a powerbook ot a T range IBM tbh. |
| 13:17.33 | jetscreamer | mac stock.. wtf is apple's sign |
| 13:17.34 | amx | asg: hehe |
| 13:17.35 | darkcmd | yeah macs are awesome, i just don't like OS X that much :( |
| 13:17.41 | zinx | amx: i don't care about how it looks as long as it works :/ |
| 13:17.43 | soloflyer | hey jetscreamer how did you know i wanted the devl version of ncurses |
| 13:17.51 | darkness | os/x is soooo stable. |
| 13:17.52 | asg | soloflyer: libncurses5-dev |
| 13:17.59 | amx | Dell is very good design and quality feel |
| 13:18.03 | Bigup | jethr0: so next time please don't speak about something you don't know. |
| 13:18.08 | Guerin | amx: oh, come off it |
| 13:18.09 | mikkel | in the makefile it says $(QMAKE), $(QTDIR), but if i try to echo them they are empty |
| 13:18.09 | jethr0 | omg |
| 13:18.10 | darkness | lmao @ Dell |
| 13:18.13 | jetscreamer | soloflyer: because that's the only reason it comes up afaik :) |
| 13:18.15 | directhex|work | darkness, lies, it crashes more than windows in my experience |
| 13:18.16 | darkcmd | I usually build my own boxen. |
| 13:18.18 | Guerin | !troll amx |
| 13:18.20 | amx | Guerin: i had a Dell desktop, was pretty neat |
| 13:18.22 | jethr0 | !tell Bigup -about smart questions |
| 13:18.26 | greycat | mikkel: WHY are you ignoring ALL of the advice we give you? |
| 13:18.26 | Arrk_ | asg but to run as server its good? without X server...and these stuff |
| 13:18.27 | soloflyer | lol :) |
| 13:18.30 | jetscreamer | the question comes up |
| 13:18.30 | directhex|work | i ordered a dell tft last night |
| 13:18.32 | Guerin | amx: hahaha |
| 13:18.38 | amx | Guerin: dont be silly :P |
| 13:18.39 | asg | Arrk_: yes, it is still suggested for server operations. |
| 13:18.43 | jethr0 | Bigup: hopefully net time you'll state your problem in a way other people can actually understand and help |
| 13:18.45 | mikkel | iø'm not |
| 13:18.47 | darkness | No way does os/x crash more than windows. |
| 13:18.58 | amx | isnt Mac OS X based on Unix? |
| 13:19.02 | Bigup | jethr0: answer only to those :) |
| 13:19.07 | jetscreamer | a properly configured and maintaind windows box doesn't crash |
| 13:19.07 | darkcmd | os/x is pretty stable, i just don't like the overall feel of it |
| 13:19.08 | greycat | mikkel: then why the FUCK didn't you just run "apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev" or whatever it is, and be DONE with it? |
| 13:19.10 | darkness | Yes amx. |
| 13:19.15 | Guerin | amx: no, it's based on some bits of bsd and nextstep |
| 13:19.18 | mikkel | i did that |
| 13:19.18 | jethr0 | 16:14 Acknowledged: Ignoring ALL from bigup*!*@* |
| 13:19.19 | streuner | mikkel: use the nick of the people, please. Otherwise its chaos |
| 13:19.21 | asg | directhex|work: I have three right here in front of me ;) |
| 13:19.26 | darkcmd | amx, supposedly BSD, since it runs a Darwin kernel |
| 13:19.29 | Bigup | jethr0: war terminated..... as a linux user you are my friend |
| 13:19.30 | amx | it should be stable then compared to Windows eh |
| 13:19.31 | mikkel | greycat: i did |
| 13:19.32 | directhex|work | asg, 20.1" 1600x1200 ones? |
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| 13:19.49 | amx | i was toying with the idea of buying a PowerMac |
| 13:19.49 | Arrk_ | asg but may I have to do some updates about security when I install the stable? or this version have no security fixes to do |
| 13:19.49 | greycat | mikkel: then STOP TRYING TO BUILD YOUR OWN CUSTOM LIBQT! |
| 13:19.50 | asg | directhex|work: no, these are 17" 1280x1024 ones. The college isn't *that* rich :) |
| 13:19.54 | jetscreamer | only thing unstable about windows is clubie users and oem's |
| 13:20.01 | darkness | Unlike linux that is Torvolds and others better design of minix. |
| 13:20.07 | darkcmd | amx: it is, just some people try running OS X on them very low spec g3s |
| 13:20.09 | directhex|work | asg, £385 is reasonable for a 20.1" 1600x1200 tft, i feel |
| 13:20.20 | Guerin | darkcmd: um, mnot really |
| 13:20.21 | amx | oh |
| 13:20.21 | soloflyer | dam it i keep typing apt-get isntall |
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| 13:20.26 | soloflyer | and its not working!!! |
| 13:20.27 | asg | Arrk_: sarge get's security fixes when they filter in from sid (usually 2 to 10 days.) woody get's the first security fixes as soon as possible. |
| 13:20.29 | soloflyer | :P |
| 13:20.29 | darkness | You need at least 256mb ram to run os/x really. |
| 13:20.35 | asg | directhex|work: yeah, that's not too bad at all. |
| 13:20.46 | asg | s/get's/gets/ |
| 13:20.48 | amx | how much ram do u need for kde desktop and gimp |
| 13:20.51 | Guerin | darkcmd: refer to lots of criticism by Dr Tanenbaum on why linux is a badly designed kernel, inferior nin principle to minix |
| 13:20.55 | darkcmd | 128 |
| 13:20.56 | amx | ive seen figures like 128mb |
| 13:21.05 | jetscreamer | more comfy with 256 |
| 13:21.07 | streuner | mikkel: /join #debian-boot |
| 13:21.07 | darkness | Did you know that a cluster of xserves in the us has been rated officially as the third most powerfull super comp in the world? |
| 13:21.08 | amx | is that enough? |
| 13:21.11 | usn | hi all |
| 13:21.13 | streuner | mikkel: /join #debian-kde |
| 13:21.17 | streuner | mikkel: sorry |
| 13:21.20 | Guerin | amx: depends what you're doing |
| 13:21.33 | Guerin | amx: if you're just resizing holiday snaps, sure |
| 13:21.34 | amx | i have 320mb in my windows workstation with Photoshop its slow as fcuk |
| 13:21.36 | jetscreamer | kde likes mem... use icewm or something light if you're short on mem |
| 13:21.41 | directhex|work | darkness, your point? any cluster, sufficiently large, can do well at linpack. it's a question of what you want your supercomputer to DO |
| 13:21.44 | Guerin | if you're actually doing any real work, otoh |
| 13:21.49 | aksn | amx: 128 MB for KDE is NOT enough |
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| 13:21.58 | amx | didnt think so |
| 13:22.01 | Guerin | aksn: sure it is |
| 13:22.02 | amx | how much is enough? |
| 13:22.16 | tosh| | you need a login/pass for ftp.nerim.net-packages? |
| 13:22.18 | Guerin | amx: there is no limit to the amount of ram which is 'enough' |
| 13:22.21 | Guerin | tosh|: no |
| 13:22.25 | aksn | amx: i recommend you icewm + kdesktop (if you want something similar to KDE) |
| 13:22.30 | amx | well whats the minimum to run comfortably |
| 13:22.35 | jetscreamer | it's the lowlimit he wants |
| 13:22.37 | soloflyer | did anyone else notice packages.debian.org went offlineabout 6 hours ago |
| 13:22.42 | asg | soloflyer: /topic |
| 13:22.45 | amx | aksn: cool |
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| 13:22.48 | Guerin | amx: depends what you're trying to do, and what you consider comfortable |
| 13:23.02 | soloflyer | sorry |
| 13:23.08 | directhex|work | 2gb ram is enough for xfce4 |
| 13:23.21 | jetscreamer | is this miniweekend? |
| 13:23.25 | amx | Guerin: i want to do graphics editing with Gimp and not have a very slow system or system lockouts/crashing like i get everytime i run Windows with PS and a few browsers |
| 13:23.39 | jetscreamer | amx you need a lot of mem and/or swap |
| 13:23.40 | Guerin | amx: i've done that in 128. |
| 13:23.45 | jetscreamer | graphics wants memory |
| 13:23.51 | Guerin | amx: be better with a gig or more, though |
| 13:23.51 | zinx | amx: how large of images are you planning on editing? |
| 13:24.01 | amx | directhex|work: I thought xfce needed less memory, being a lightweight desktop compared to KDE? |
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| 13:24.06 | darkcmd | I'm currently running Linux on a 233MHz Pentium, with 96mb ram |
| 13:24.16 | amx | phew |
| 13:24.19 | jetscreamer | amx: read what he said, not what you think he said |
| 13:24.23 | amx | 1GB of memory isnt cheap |
| 13:24.29 | Guerin | darkcmd: not so bad, as long as you know what you're doing |
| 13:24.46 | directhex|work | amx, 1gb of ram is only about £75 |
| 13:24.50 | amx | only! |
| 13:24.57 | Ninjai | how to set ipaddress on debian |
| 13:24.58 | Guerin | my p2-233 is -/+ buffers/cache: 67192 188180 |
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| 13:25.00 | zinx | amx: the rule is, if you're swapping out, get more :P |
| 13:25.04 | Guerin | Ninjai: man interfaces |
| 13:25.05 | asg | Ninjai: man 5 interfaces |
| 13:25.06 | amx | hehe |
| 13:25.13 | jetscreamer | i got 512 of cheapie ram for 49.95 iirc |
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| 13:25.25 | directhex|work | the rule is required_ram = ram * 1.1 |
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| 13:25.26 | amx | i may have to do an upgrade to 512 for now |
| 13:25.27 | darkness | I'm saving for a g5 powermac they can take and utilise upto 8gb of memory and a super fast bus :-) |
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| 13:25.36 | amx | 1GB is out of my budget for this time |
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| 13:25.41 | zinx | directhex: 2.0 works better here :( |
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| 13:25.53 | directhex|work | darkness, g5's bus speed comes from ripping hypertransport off opteron |
| 13:26.00 | jetscreamer | i have 512 and did some mapping... i wound up using 1.5g total |
| 13:26.07 | jm_ | I use * 3 now |
| 13:26.11 | amx | how much memory can a PIII-550mhz support? |
| 13:26.18 | directhex|work | see, you need 2gb! everyone needs 2gb! |
| 13:26.18 | Guerin | amx: none |
| 13:26.22 | jetscreamer | amx it's mb specific |
| 13:26.26 | darkness | I didn't know that directhex. |
| 13:26.29 | amx | oh |
| 13:26.34 | pucko- | can anyone here by any chance help me retreive a file from a win98se cd? supposedly there's a file "networks" there |
| 13:26.38 | darkness | I'm saving for the dual 2ghz g5 box. |
| 13:26.42 | Guerin | amx: you just asked how much fuel you could put in a steering wheel |
| 13:26.47 | amx | isnt there a limit of 2GB on Pentium 3/4 CPUs tho? |
| 13:26.49 | jetscreamer | *probably* 768-2g |
| 13:26.54 | Guerin | amx: no |
| 13:26.57 | directhex|work | darkness, what do you intend to do with that machine? |
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| 13:27.03 | greycat | RAM limits are motherboard specific, not CPU specific |
| 13:27.09 | amx | i see |
| 13:27.17 | Guerin | though there's also the issue of addressing it all |
| 13:27.29 | Arafangion | greycat, Technically, the CPU would impose some sort of upper limit. |
| 13:27.31 | jetscreamer | lba for mem |
| 13:27.31 | aksn | amx: it's 4GB until itanium (i think) |
| 13:27.35 | darkness | Heavy duty video, game play and a computer with a good shelf life. |
| 13:27.44 | greycat | aksn: you mean until amd64 |
| 13:27.47 | amx | we could soon be using 1-2GB of ram as normal eh |
| 13:27.51 | ICU | aksn: not really |
| 13:27.51 | amx | maybe in a year or so |
| 13:28.03 | tosh| | Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages. PASS failed, server said: USER/PASS command line too long |
| 13:28.04 | tosh| | mmm |
| 13:28.07 | directhex|work | aksn, it's entirely motherboard specific. my i845 board will do 2gb, my office amd64 will do 8gb |
| 13:28.15 | greycat | tosh|: FTP sucks. |
| 13:28.17 | darkness | Mind you isn't moores law soon to be oblosete? |
| 13:28.25 | Guerin | tosh|: use a user/pass line of 0 characters length |
| 13:28.25 | amx | you need 64bit mb to go beyond 2GB at present? |
| 13:28.25 | tosh| | greycat don't have a choice here |
| 13:28.26 | greycat | then again, there's no HTTP source for marillat apparently... |
| 13:28.34 | ICU | amx: my xeon (non emt64) will do 12 gb |
| 13:28.35 | directhex|work | tosh|, someone can't read i see. ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 13:28.38 | jetscreamer | tosh|: http://hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list.txt for an example, if your line isn't right |
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| 13:28.48 | jethr0 | nerim sucks too |
| 13:28.51 | amx | 64bit CPU's will be the next thing |
| 13:29.00 | jetscreamer | no they won't |
| 13:29.01 | amx | maybe in a year or so |
| 13:29.05 | darkness | Yeah, and sli tech mabe |
| 13:29.06 | tosh| | jetscreamer thanks |
| 13:29.08 | jetscreamer | in fact, they're deprecated |
| 13:29.20 | greycat | a manual anonymous FTP login to nerim worked for me just now |
| 13:29.20 | kaner | jetscreamer: rofl |
| 13:29.39 | darkness | I heard there is some work going on with cpu's by sony.The cell? |
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| 13:29.44 | amx | the memory limitations of existing mb's will become apparant soon? |
| 13:29.50 | Guerin | fuck sony |
| 13:29.54 | tosh| | directhex|work I copied the line exactly as it is mentioned on the site |
| 13:29.55 | CyberShadow | need a good download manager, firefox just screwed a download |
| 13:29.57 | greycat | !fuck sony |
| 13:30.01 | Guerin | fucking toys-r-us |
| 13:30.02 | amx | ha |
| 13:30.07 | darkcmd | amx: my amd athlon xp board would do 3gb |
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| 13:30.11 | Guerin | CyberShadow: wget |
| 13:30.21 | darkness | As it's become apparent that moores law will be fucked as the ghz spped is near a peek. |
| 13:30.26 | drac | tosh|: you can't make 2 connections to that server. so if you have browser open, with that page, and same time your trying to apt-get something.. that makes 2 connections. |
| 13:30.34 | CyberShadow | Guerin: oh right *slaps himself* |
| 13:30.39 | amx | darkcmd: will you likely need to upgrade beyond that? |
| 13:30.45 | tosh| | drac thats not my problem at the moment |
| 13:30.47 | directhex|work | darkness, cell is made by IBM and designed by IBM, Toshiba & Sony |
| 13:30.52 | Pappa | heh, with 2d rendering software is just as fast as hardware rendering |
| 13:30.53 | ICU | amx: the limitations will still exist... its up to the companys how many memslots they provide... |
| 13:30.56 | directhex|work | darkness, it's being used in sony's next home games console |
| 13:31.09 | amx | will there ever come a point where system memory levels out and we need to keep upgrading? |
| 13:31.11 | darkness | I just saved on typing direct, but it looks interesting hey? |
| 13:31.17 | jetscreamer | oh hey: what speeds are intel/amd cpu's up to nowadays (fastest) last i looked it was 3.4g or somelthing.. did they break 4 yet? |
| 13:31.38 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, intel runs at 3.8ghz iirc (maybe 3.73) |
| 13:31.42 | amx | surely 2GB is enough to not need to upgrade? |
| 13:31.47 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, think it's 2.6 for amd |
| 13:31.55 | Guerin | amx: 640k is plenty for anyone |
| 13:32.08 | jetscreamer | thankee |
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| 13:32.20 | darkcmd | for most people 2gb should be enough |
| 13:32.20 | amx | system memory |
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| 13:32.24 | darkness | What i don't get is fuxing windows like 60million lines of code what will the next version be 70million? |
| 13:32.28 | darkcmd | but you can never have enough ram :) |
| 13:32.33 | amx | true |
| 13:32.36 | Guerin | darkness: more like 200 |
| 13:32.38 | darkness | longhorn whatever it will be. |
| 13:32.42 | amx | some poor people only have 32mb |
| 13:32.45 | Arafangion | darkcmd, Moore's law states that it should be 140 million. |
| 13:32.55 | amx | i consider myself poor with only 320mb |
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| 13:33.01 | asg | amx: my gateway box only has 48M |
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| 13:33.05 | Guerin | Arafangion: that would be arafangion's corollary to moore's law |
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| 13:33.06 | darkcmd | i have 96mb |
| 13:33.11 | amx | asg: how do you run X? |
| 13:33.17 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, definitely 2.6ghz for amd, on the opteron 252 |
| 13:33.17 | greycat | we have lots and lots of HP-UX boxes with 64 MB |
| 13:33.19 | Guerin | i have 512, but it's split between two machines |
| 13:33.21 | asg | amx: it's a gateway box, it doesn't run X. |
| 13:33.28 | aksn | so, longhorn and palladium will become truth? |
| 13:33.31 | asg | amx: I used to run X when it was my primary workstation though |
| 13:33.33 | amx | my server has 128mb and runs no problem but not too fast with KDE running |
| 13:33.37 | jethr0 | TCPA uber alles |
| 13:33.39 | darkness | I suggest buy four minimacs and cluster them:-) |
| 13:33.49 | Arafangion | amx, YOu run KDE on a server? |
| 13:33.54 | Guerin | darkness: that would make you an eejit |
| 13:33.58 | amx | Arafan: I have done once |
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| 13:34.10 | jethr0 | amx: what's the point? |
| 13:34.18 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, and i'm right again, 3.73ghz intel pentium 4 extreme edition is its fastest chip |
| 13:34.19 | amx | just to try it |
| 13:34.20 | amx | heh |
| 13:34.23 | jethr0 | hah |
| 13:34.31 | jetscreamer | my fax machine runs on w2k advanced server... actually it IS w2k adv server |
| 13:34.36 | jharrisonwk | what is wrong with running kde on a server? |
| 13:34.37 | Guerin | Fetched 39.1MB in 56s (694kB/s) # wheee! |
| 13:34.38 | darkness | Why Guerin? |
| 13:34.50 | jetscreamer | !directhex++ |
| 13:34.50 | asg | Guerin: ah, you finally found some bandwidth |
| 13:34.54 | Guerin | darkness: laptop harddrives? passive cooling? hah! |
| 13:35.02 | Arafangion | jharrisonwk, What's the point? |
| 13:35.03 | Guerin | asg: 100/100 :) |
| 13:35.11 | amx | it ran ok in 128mb with P3-550mhz but i wouldnt like to use it for a workstation and do graphics |
| 13:35.24 | amx | i think 256mb would be better |
| 13:35.34 | darkness | Cheap though, what do you expect? |
| 13:35.34 | jharrisonwk | Arafangion: that depends on what the server's purpose is |
| 13:35.43 | jetscreamer | 256 made my p3-550 much happier |
| 13:35.49 | aksn | amx: i think icewm would be better :P |
| 13:36.04 | Arafangion | jharrisonwk, I'd still prefer gnome ;) |
| 13:36.07 | darkness | Say what is the score with debian and 64bit ? |
| 13:36.12 | amx | i think i would get a better deal on this Windows workstation (P3-550/320mb) if i switched to Linux now |
| 13:36.15 | darkcmd | what's wrong with icewm ? :) |
| 13:36.16 | jethr0 | darkness: 23.4 |
| 13:36.24 | zinx | darkness: 0-10 |
| 13:36.28 | Guerin | darkness: nil-all until etch |
| 13:36.36 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:36.36 | darkness | lol |
| 13:36.49 | darkness | Will their be a 64bit version of deb? |
| 13:36.52 | aksn | darkcmd: i used kde until i found icewm :) |
| 13:36.54 | amx | i tried out xfce on this system running the Live CD the other day, phew |
| 13:37.01 | Guerin | darkness: there already are several |
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| 13:37.19 | jharrisonwk | Arafangion: one could ask why would you need gnome on a server? What's the point? |
| 13:37.29 | Guerin | there is no point |
| 13:37.36 | Guerin | unless you want to get your box owned |
| 13:37.41 | Mash | i'm back |
| 13:37.43 | amx | aksn: is icewm not so memory hungry? |
| 13:37.54 | nevyn | icwm is tiny. |
| 13:38.00 | amx | cool |
| 13:38.01 | aksn | amx: of course |
| 13:38.07 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: please own my box |
| 13:38.14 | amx | i will have to look at that, i was thinking xfce would be better than kde |
| 13:38.15 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: i already do :) |
| 13:38.16 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: :-P |
| 13:38.17 | darkcmd | aksn: i use icewm as my main window manager, on my old box.. and it could handle KDE fine |
| 13:38.17 | nevyn | amx: it's like a 1mb memory footprint |
| 13:38.24 | amx | woah |
| 13:38.25 | darkness | Guerin i admit that i am a total newb with linux whatever dist. What is your advice for me to become educated seriosly with debian? |
| 13:38.27 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: yeah I know |
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| 13:38.31 | aksn | amx: icewm + kdesktop is almost KDE, and much faster |
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| 13:38.41 | amx | nevyn: can it support browser? |
| 13:38.43 | Guerin | darkness: rtfm, rtfml |
| 13:39.01 | jharrisonwk | darkness: docs |
| 13:39.04 | nevyn | amx: browser? |
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| 13:39.16 | jharrisonwk | darkness: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 13:39.20 | nevyn | icewm doesn't provide a file browser or a web browser or anything like that. |
| 13:39.23 | amx | nevyn: web browser |
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| 13:39.30 | amx | sheesh |
| 13:39.31 | darkness | Okay thanks. |
| 13:39.33 | amx | what use is that then |
| 13:39.40 | nevyn | amx: you can run one. |
| 13:39.40 | Guerin | amx: any window manager will support any browser |
| 13:39.44 | sigma957 | amx: let me jump in with xfce, I use it and i really like it |
| 13:39.48 | nevyn | amx: it's the window manager. |
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| 13:39.53 | amx | Guerin: but try to run Mozilla in xcfe eh |
| 13:39.56 | nevyn | amx: it provides WINDOW management. |
| 13:40.00 | darkcmd | aksn: plus i spend most of my time in the terminal |
| 13:40.01 | nevyn | amx: that works. |
| 13:40.01 | jharrisonwk | GUI's suck |
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| 13:40.09 | Guerin | amx: what's wrong witht hat? |
| 13:40.12 | GMtimmeh | how do you run a program in the background? |
| 13:40.14 | amx | in 64mb/128mb ram? me finks not |
| 13:40.15 | nevyn | amx: mozilla works under xfce |
| 13:40.19 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: except ratpoison |
| 13:40.20 | nevyn | GMtimmeh: blah & |
| 13:40.24 | Guerin | which isn't strictly a gui |
| 13:40.26 | kaner | darkness: there already is debian for 64bit, or did i understand you wrong? |
| 13:40.34 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: but ratpoison is not a "GUI" |
| 13:40.35 | timmeh | just add & at the end? |
| 13:40.50 | Guerin | amx: it works fine, what are you on about? |
| 13:41.14 | amx | Guerin: no way in 64mb ram ive seen people say Mozilla is way too slow |
| 13:41.14 | sigma957 | amx: try mozilla firefox if you have memory problems, if not, you might need dillo, which has a smaller memory footprint |
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| 13:41.27 | jharrisonwk | amx: lynx? |
| 13:41.30 | Guerin | amx: but you don't KNOW, because you haven't TRIED IT. |
| 13:41.34 | amx | sigma: dillo i will try that |
| 13:41.53 | amx | Guerin: i tried Mozilla on KDE in 128mb and it wasnt great |
| 13:41.55 | jharrisonwk | amx: dont listen to Guerin. He just wants to own your box |
| 13:41.57 | nevyn | amx: 64mb try konq under icewm. |
| 13:42.07 | amx | cool |
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| 13:42.09 | soloflyer | dillo i read that as dildo |
| 13:42.12 | nevyn | mozilla on kde will cause pain and suffering. |
| 13:42.18 | Guerin | amx: and you blame mozilla for tat |
| 13:42.21 | nevyn | did you try using konq? |
| 13:42.28 | nevyn | in 64mb or ram. |
| 13:42.29 | amx | heh |
| 13:42.38 | amx | nevyn: it could work? |
| 13:42.45 | soloflyer | im using moz-ff on kde problem free to date |
| 13:42.47 | amx | i only have 64bit in my lappy |
| 13:42.50 | amx | *64mb |
| 13:42.55 | jharrisonwk | soloflyer: yeah |
| 13:42.56 | Guerin | amx: this boat is really shit, my civic can't even tow it uphill! |
| 13:43.07 | amx | :-/ |
| 13:43.16 | jharrisonwk | heh |
| 13:43.22 | jharrisonwk | civics are cool |
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| 13:43.25 | nevyn | heh |
| 13:43.34 | Arafangion | dillo is dead. |
| 13:43.38 | nevyn | amx: what speed is the machine? |
| 13:43.41 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: are you if, with a 14 year-old girlfriend? |
| 13:43.45 | Guerin | eh |
| 13:43.48 | Guerin | s/if/17/ |
| 13:44.01 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: no |
| 13:44.02 | nevyn | ok.. I can see that typo |
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| 13:44.11 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: then you have no business saying civics are cool :) |
| 13:44.13 | nevyn | 17 to if... |
| 13:44.14 | amx | nevyn: its only a Pentium 166mmx i picked it up for £20 and built it up.. actually the ram has 80mb now including 32mb on board ram |
| 13:44.19 | nevyn | right. |
| 13:44.22 | Guerin | nevyn: my brain went all visual |
| 13:44.22 | sml | amx: have you tried not using bloatware like KDE and Gnome and tried using a lightweight window manager to run firefox on your limited 64MB RAM ? |
| 13:44.29 | jm_ | they are good cars |
| 13:44.30 | nevyn | amx: mozilla is gonna suck on that machine. |
| 13:44.32 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: they are good cars |
| 13:44.37 | amx | sml: no i wanna try it |
| 13:44.37 | nevyn | amx: openoffice.org is gonna suck on that machine |
| 13:44.43 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: i know, i know. |
| 13:44.44 | nevyn | kde might work. |
| 13:44.47 | soloflyer | my laptop has pcie :) |
| 13:44.49 | amx | what to do? stick with Windows 98? |
| 13:44.50 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: drove a 1980 up to a year ago or so |
| 13:44.50 | nevyn | with konq. |
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| 13:45.03 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: and now someone else owns it and they are driving it all over the place |
| 13:45.08 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: its a classic :) |
| 13:45.11 | jm_ | jharrisonwk: what do you have now? |
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| 13:45.15 | nevyn | have a look at xfce4 |
| 13:45.15 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: nice. |
| 13:45.17 | amx | Guerin: the japanese have an obsession with making everything small |
| 13:45.21 | jharrisonwk | jm_: toyota corolla |
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| 13:45.30 | Guerin | amx: you don't need to tell me that |
| 13:45.36 | nevyn | or there's a desktope environment called rox |
| 13:45.47 | Guerin | um, rox is a filemanager |
| 13:45.49 | Guerin | not a de |
| 13:45.50 | amx | i think its having 80 million? on a small island |
| 13:45.56 | amx | they need more space eh |
| 13:46.07 | Guerin | amx: ~120 million, on four main islands |
| 13:46.07 | jharrisonwk | im on a small island |
| 13:46.13 | amx | i stand corrected :) |
| 13:46.14 | jharrisonwk | no 80 million though |
| 13:46.28 | Guerin | amx: I think it's actually more to do with japanese concepts of aesthetics |
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| 13:46.40 | amx | could be, its very strange |
| 13:46.41 | darkcmd | Guerin: rox can be a desktop environment, they have a WM, session manager, and filemanager and a set of applications and panel software |
| 13:46.48 | darkcmd | so yes, rox can be a desktop environment |
| 13:46.54 | soloflyer | ford laser ke tx3 4wd turbo rebadge mazada 323 famila that thing flys its like the first ever small performance car with 4wd with a few mods they will beat a wrx due to the weight and that aint bad for a car from the 1980's |
| 13:47.00 | Guerin | darkcmd: hrm, interesting. |
| 13:47.15 | jm_ | isn't it something like they need to own a parking place to be able to buy a car and those are really expensive? |
| 13:47.16 | darkcmd | Guerin: though you're right, most people just use the filemanager |
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| 13:47.38 | Guerin | soloflyer: hah, my friend got one of those, put some big axles and wheels on it and turned it into an offroad car for hunting |
| 13:47.50 | amx | my dream of building an open source lappy has been shattered |
| 13:47.59 | Waldo | can anyone help me with a debian install .. i need to install sid on an embedded pc with only 256MB hd space on compact flash :S |
| 13:48.14 | amx | phew |
| 13:48.24 | darkcmd | this seems like a job for a RTOS :) |
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| 13:48.35 | soloflyer | well first dont install X! |
| 13:48.36 | Guerin | Waldo: google around for some embedded install howtos |
| 13:48.39 | amx | hehe |
| 13:48.50 | Waldo | wall .. let me explain a little further |
| 13:48.52 | Guerin | Waldo: should be easily doable, presuming you don't want too much eyecandy |
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| 13:48.56 | amx | if he installs X he will have 6mb free for a swap file |
| 13:49.13 | Waldo | i dont want any eyecandy .. simple console shit |
| 13:49.28 | soloflyer | console with eyecandy :) |
| 13:49.35 | amx | a basic install could be done in 60mb or less? |
| 13:49.39 | Waldo | look .. i did a net install from floppy .. that installed woody |
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| 13:49.50 | Waldo | and that was about 70 megs or so |
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| 13:50.00 | amx | cool |
| 13:50.02 | Guerin | amx: probably, if you really cut back. |
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| 13:50.30 | amx | sheesh i just spent £6 on a new cdrom drive and its not even bootable |
| 13:50.31 | Waldo | then i eddited sources.list and apt.config for it to use the testing sources i added |
| 13:50.32 | amx | that sux |
| 13:50.42 | soloflyer | debian rescbf24 might be usefull |
| 13:50.49 | TinoW | soloflyer: I have debian on Psion running, with X and xfce4, postgres, apache, gnuplot |
| 13:50.54 | directhex|work | amx, that would be a bios thing, not a cd drive thing |
| 13:51.07 | TinoW | soloflyer: with 256 CF card. So its doable :) |
| 13:51.12 | soloflyer | amx thats a bios thing nothign to do with the cdrom |
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| 13:51.15 | amx | directhex: i dunno what to do, i adjusted the cdrom in the boot order and even flashed the bios with an update |
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| 13:51.24 | Mardus | Hi |
| 13:51.25 | amx | just locks up system if i try to boot from cdrom |
| 13:51.27 | Waldo | af thar i eddited the files it wanted to update everything but is doesn't have enough space on the CF card to download, extract, install ... all packages |
| 13:51.32 | soloflyer | ouch that must be tight |
| 13:51.56 | amx | maybe the cdrom is screwed |
| 13:52.03 | Mardus | If anyone is interested, the mouse button remap was successful. |
| 13:52.08 | asg | Waldo: you can pare down a lot of the installed docs (/usr/share/doc) and mount /var/log as a ramdisk. |
| 13:52.09 | amx | looks brand new, but hard to tell |
| 13:52.13 | TinoW | Mardus: what kind of system is it? |
| 13:52.13 | Guerin | amx: check it's plugged in firmly and correctly, etc. |
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| 13:52.23 | Waldo | tnx asg |
| 13:52.26 | amx | Guerin: well it works fine in DOS/Windows |
| 13:52.31 | Mardus | TinoW: Debian 3.0 woody |
| 13:52.41 | TinoW | Mardus: no, your embedded |
| 13:52.52 | greycat | !punish linux NFS for sucking |
| 13:52.52 | amx | just refuses to boot, it goes into spin cycle like a washing machine and doesnt stop |
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| 13:52.58 | Mardus | TinoW: Meaning? |
| 13:53.00 | TinoW | Mardus: kind of hardware I meant :) |
| 13:53.00 | greycat | LoonaTick|afk: turn off that damned script, please. |
| 13:53.00 | amx | then system locks up and only a cold boot will fix it |
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| 13:53.10 | d3vic3 | isisnt there kde3.4 in debian ? |
| 13:53.12 | jethr0 | hell yeah, that's kind of a punishment! |
| 13:53.13 | TinoW | Waldo: "<Waldo> can anyone help me with a debian install .. i need to install sid on an embedded pc with only 256MB hd space on compact flash :S" |
| 13:53.14 | d3vic3 | unstable maybe ? |
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| 13:53.31 | jethr0 | !punish AIX for sucking too |
| 13:53.34 | stew | d3vic3: /topic ; /topic #debian-kde |
| 13:53.47 | Mardus | TinoW: You want to know computer hardware or mouse hardware? |
| 13:54.03 | jethr0 | LoonaTick|afk: remove your script or change the addressing character, it's boring |
| 13:54.14 | TinoW | Mardus: computer hardware of course :-) But I guess its i386, right? |
| 13:54.18 | bojja | hi all, what is a recommendable system monitor? a web interface is prefered, but i wasn't able to find out which one is good. what i need is memory usage, cpu, filesystem activity and things alike. important is that it's for a long period, meaning not for the second as apps like gkrellm. anyone has good experiences? |
| 13:54.21 | soloflyer | get and extension cord strip off the plasic connect the wires to the +12 and -12 and if smoke comes out it works... why does it say 12 u ask well computer cd-roms display voltage as x10 so it really just wants 120v... :/ sucker ...:P |
| 13:54.26 | greycat | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=92081 says that "exportfs -r" is supposed to work some black magic, but it's still hanging for me..... the exportfs -r has been "running" for over a minute now. |
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| 13:54.50 | directhex|work | greycat, nfs seems to behave oddly for me relatively often |
| 13:54.57 | amx | booo |
| 13:55.09 | Mardus | TinoW: Pentium 120, 32M RAM, 2G HDD half of it filled with Debian packages. |
| 13:55.27 | Mardus | TinoW: The mouse is a MouseMan at ttyS0 |
| 13:55.49 | greycat | directhex|work: we had *no* problems of this nature for months! then suddenly yesterday everything started falling apart. |
| 13:55.57 | darkcmd | directhex|work: what do you run? |
| 13:55.58 | amx | has anyone managed to run Mac OS X on non-Mac system? |
| 13:56.00 | soloflyer | microsoft is consipring to make linux look unstable by sabotaging support for smb |
| 13:56.07 | greycat | amx: wrong channel... |
| 13:56.25 | directhex|work | greycat, sounds like yesterday's solaris-based death |
| 13:56.37 | greycat | directhex|work: oh? what's that? |
| 13:56.41 | directhex|work | darkcmd, at home, at work, or what i actually administer? |
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| 13:57.02 | soloflyer | grey not really cause mac os is freebsd and lots of stuff is ripped out of freebsd for linux |
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| 13:57.14 | directhex|work | greycat, one of the front-end machines to the solaris cluster ceased communicating with the world, we had to cold boot it (cold booting a sunfire v880 is a little unnerving) |
| 13:57.32 | asg | directhex|work: cold booting any Sun hardware is unnerving |
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| 13:57.46 | directhex|work | soloflyer, it's not freebsd. it has a darwin core, but on its own it's no more useful than gnu/linux without any apps et al |
| 13:57.48 | directhex|work | asg, true |
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| 13:57.59 | greycat | root 6176 5947 0 09:51 pts/1 00:00:00 exportfs -r |
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| 13:58.01 | greycat | root 6364 6357 0 09:57 pts/2 00:00:00 grep exportfs |
| 13:58.04 | directhex|work | greycat, then nothing came back up properly, since it seems random on solaris what does when how |
| 13:58.05 | greycat | SIX fucking minutes it's been running! |
| 13:58.16 | asg | directhex|work: a few years back, I cold booted our E250 and it failed to come up because the segate drives in it had suffered the bit-flip bug. |
| 13:58.17 | darkcmd | directhex|work: what distro with the one where it seems to be wigging out.. nfs that is |
| 13:58.25 | stew | greycat: can you strace it and see if its actually doing anything? |
| 13:58.32 | directhex|work | darkcmd, redhat 7.2 |
| 13:58.33 | Mardus | The keyboard remap worked after I had to restart the computer. I just guess that the mouse had to be reinitalised, because restarting X wouldn't quite work. |
| 13:58.36 | TinoW | Mardus: a P120, 2G sounds a bit different then an embedded system with CF 256 |
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| 13:58.42 | Mardus | I meant the mouse button remap |
| 13:58.44 | darkcmd | directhex: so this is not an issue in debian? |
| 13:58.49 | Napo | Where i can find the package that contain the file xf86.h ? |
| 13:58.52 | stew | TinoW: you got Mardus and Waldo confused |
| 13:58.57 | TinoW | ah |
| 13:58.59 | TinoW | :-) |
| 13:58.59 | Guerin | !tell Napo about search |
| 13:59.01 | TinoW | sorry then |
| 13:59.01 | Mardus | TinoW: I don't have an embedded system. |
| 13:59.06 | directhex|work | darkcmd, no, but notice greycat linked to a redhat bugzilla page, which suggests it's not a debian problem |
| 13:59.07 | greycat | stew: it's doing *something*... |
| 13:59.10 | amx | theres bargains to be had on ebay |
| 13:59.13 | Waldo | lol |
| 13:59.14 | Mardus | TinoW: Just a sturdy computer. |
| 13:59.20 | soloflyer | it only takes 1 tiny little sperm for me to be related to my dad you saying macosx aint related to freebsd :) |
| 13:59.20 | greycat | oh, the exportfs finally terminated. Lots of "imadev.eeg.ccf.org:/opt/app: Invalid argument" errors. |
| 13:59.21 | TinoW | Mardus: yes just forget my comments ;) |
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| 13:59.37 | Sirgado | hi everybody |
| 13:59.38 | darkcmd | directhex|work: oh i see, this is a redhat issue, should have known that once I saw the redhat URL :) |
| 13:59.41 | greycat | the "ls /nfs/svr1a" on the client system never terminated, though. |
| 13:59.47 | jethr0 | heh |
| 13:59.57 | Sirgado | does anybody uses a Benq 3410 as webcam? |
| 13:59.59 | jethr0 | nfs and linux don't mix well :) |
| 14:00.02 | Mardus | I guess bob2 is sleeping. |
| 14:00.03 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 14:00.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:00.05 | greycat | oh, the client isn't pinging any more. That may not be a very good indicator, then. |
| 14:00.15 | darkcmd | so there are none of these issues with nfs on debian? |
| 14:00.23 | soloflyer | how to fix a redhat issue step 1 install debian step 2 your done :) |
| 14:00.26 | Sirgado | in others words... does anyboidy uses spca5xx webcam controller for webcam? |
| 14:00.26 | greycat | darkcmd: svr1a *is* Debian woody. |
| 14:00.30 | Napo | Guerin: i know, but ... i have'nt found a right answer |
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| 14:00.46 | Sirgado | it gets freezed when i try to use the webcam :-( |
| 14:00.47 | pikota | anyone knows equivalent checkproc for debian? |
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| 14:00.56 | greycat | pikota: tell us what it does |
| 14:00.57 | Guerin | pikota: what does it do? |
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| 14:01.07 | greycat | probably gentoo or fedora |
| 14:01.20 | pikota | http://man.digipedia.pl/man/man8/checkproc.8.html here |
| 14:01.23 | directhex|work | miko gnyo/linux, obviously |
| 14:01.27 | Guerin | pikota: cba |
| 14:01.31 | Guerin | pikota: just tell us |
| 14:01.32 | Mardus | And after I spent the whole night fighting to remap three mouse buttons, I went to sleep and completely forgot that I had to help out a friend with schoolwork (forgot to send him a corrected essay for English class :( ) |
| 14:01.35 | darkcmd | greycat: so you are experiencing this bug in debian woody? |
| 14:01.35 | amx | does anyone know if Debian can support drivers for Cassiopeia PDAs, i have an old one i got for £6 which uses serial port cradle |
| 14:01.41 | pikota | a utility of suse |
| 14:01.49 | Guerin | pikota: what does it fucking DO? |
| 14:01.50 | greycat | darkcmd: Apr 5 09:49:52 svr1a rpc.mountd: getfh failed: Operation not permitted |
| 14:01.50 | greycat | Apr 5 09:50:00 svr1a rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 139.137.203.250:670 for /opt/app (/opt/app) |
| 14:01.53 | greycat | Apr 5 09:50:00 svr1a rpc.mountd: getfh failed: Operation not permitted |
| 14:02.07 | darkcmd | yeah? |
| 14:02.15 | pikota | read the weblink |
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| 14:02.39 | greycat | darkcmd: I never saw this until yesterday. Now it's just a barrage. |
| 14:02.45 | Guerin | pikota: sorry, can't be arsed. If you're not prepared to give us one line of what is does, I'm not prepared to care or think about it. |
| 14:02.56 | amx | hehe |
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| 14:02.57 | greycat | darkcmd: nfs-kernel-server even hung for 5-10 minutes ON REBOOTING the damned server. |
| 14:03.02 | greycat | I have no explanation for this |
| 14:03.06 | directhex|work | Guerin, pgrep. |
| 14:03.15 | Guerin | haha |
| 14:03.20 | Waldo | is there anyway to do a net install of sid instead of having to go through woody ? |
| 14:03.30 | Guerin | Waldo: don't install sid. |
| 14:03.35 | pikota | checkproc checks for running processes that use the specified executable. |
| 14:03.36 | directhex|work | Waldo, don't install sid |
| 14:03.37 | greycat | Waldo: install sarge, duh. |
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| 14:03.50 | Guerin | pikota: see what directhex said |
| 14:03.51 | greycat | pikota: man pgrep, man pkill, man killall |
| 14:04.01 | pikota | checkproc does not use the pid to verify a process but the full path of the corresponding program which is used |
| 14:04.01 | Waldo | ok sarge than ... how do i install sarge with net boot floppy's ? |
| 14:04.02 | pikota | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.09 | greycat | Waldo: by following the instructions |
| 14:04.16 | directhex|work | sigh. i gave the answer, nobody cares |
| 14:04.19 | maxdoubt | yeah, you can net install sid |
| 14:04.21 | greycat | Waldo: write images onto floppies, boot. |
| 14:04.47 | Waldo | are there sarge images ? are that serarate flopy's ? |
| 14:04.54 | directhex|work | !d-i Waldo |
| 14:04.54 | dpkg | Waldo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:04.57 | amx | be prepared to have ample spare disks |
| 14:05.00 | greycat | Waldo: FUCKING YES!!!! |
| 14:05.01 | greycat | JESUS!!! |
| 14:05.07 | greycat | STOP BEING A NITWIT! |
| 14:05.11 | amx | phew |
| 14:05.17 | Waldo | can't change the man i am |
| 14:05.20 | Guerin | greycat: hah, be realistic. |
| 14:05.26 | amx | greycat u get too stressed man, calm yourself and have some tea |
| 14:05.35 | greycat | 10:05 Ignoring ALL from waldo |
| 14:05.36 | maxdoubt | when it asks for apt config... go back to the main menu, and then setup apt, and at the end it will ask if you want to install stable, testing, or unstable |
| 14:05.55 | darkcmd | greycat: hmm they closed the bug without fixing, what's up with that |
| 14:06.45 | pingouin_ | amx: jump on it ? |
| 14:06.53 | greycat | darkcmd: typical linux. |
| 14:07.01 | directhex|work | darkcmd, who are "they"? i've seen some package maintainers do it when they willfully don't want a problem fixed |
| 14:07.06 | sml | how does one change the default colour of vim from blue to something readable from PuTTY , like white on black. mutt in PuTTY screws my eyes up after eight hours. I'd imagine something , somewhere in /etc/vim/* but in the global vimrc I dont find any colours listed. |
| 14:07.34 | darkcmd | greycat: so this bug is in most linux distributions I assume? |
| 14:07.50 | Mardus | Bye |
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| 14:07.59 | greycat | darkcmd: appears to be in the kernel |
| 14:08.01 | sml | someone help me before i go blind forever. |
| 14:08.08 | amx | hehe |
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| 14:08.27 | tosh| | sml that would solve the problem, no? :) |
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| 14:08.54 | asg | sml: turn the contrast up on your system. or get the vim-doc package and read it. |
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| 14:09.22 | amx | the screen on my lappy sucks |
| 14:09.40 | directhex|work | get a nice 20" dell screen then! |
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| 14:09.45 | amx | hehe |
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| 14:09.57 | amx | too expensive for me unfortunately |
| 14:10.00 | maxdoubt | can somebody tell me how i can get paid for using linux? |
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| 14:10.09 | sml | directhex|work: i have a 17 inch flat screen dell. |
| 14:10.09 | bojja | hi, what system monitor is recommendable? i need a web interface and logging of cpu, memory and network traffic. thats all |
| 14:10.12 | amx | paid for using linux?? |
| 14:10.12 | asg | maxdoubt: work at a place that uses it |
| 14:10.16 | maurice | Hi |
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| 14:10.20 | Sirgado | maxdoubt: by giving services on linux |
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| 14:10.35 | asg | bojja: try cacti, munin, rrdtool |
| 14:11.11 | bojja | asg, thanks |
| 14:11.30 | maurice | I would like to install exim from tarball so I need some berkeley library to do it as db..., where can I find it |
| 14:11.39 | asg | maurice: erm why? |
| 14:11.42 | sml | directhex|work: its not the monitor its dark blue on black that's the problem ;) |
| 14:11.44 | Guerin | !wayc maurice |
| 14:11.45 | dpkg | maurice: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 14:11.49 | petemc | maurice: exim 4.50 is in testing |
| 14:11.51 | maurice | sorry |
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| 14:12.27 | maurice | because I'd like support of mysql |
| 14:12.37 | asg | maurice: install deamon-heaby |
| 14:12.41 | asg | s/ea/ae/ |
| 14:13.00 | petemc | thats not right either :) |
| 14:13.01 | maurice | deamon-heavy does it |
| 14:13.06 | asg | petemc: no, it isn't ;) |
| 14:13.14 | asg | maurice: apt-cache show exim4-daemon-heavy |
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| 14:13.22 | greycat | big-fat-ugly-smelly-daemon |
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| 14:13.41 | asg | greycat: :) |
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| 14:14.02 | maurice | yes, I understand but I just would like if in the package daemon-heavy, there's the support to mysql |
| 14:14.19 | sml | actualy i might change mutt's background colour to something other than black that should fix it |
| 14:14.21 | directhex|work | does exim4-daemon-heavy live under a bridge and eat goats? |
| 14:14.33 | asg | directhex|work: there is a router for that iirc |
| 14:14.34 | jethr0 | maurice: just apt-get source the package, modify debian/rules to fit your needs and dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 14:14.55 | asg | directhex|work: /etc/exim4/conf.d/routers/42_live_under_bridge_eat_goats |
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| 14:15.28 | greycat | maurice: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 14:15.36 | directhex|work | !find goat |
| 14:15.38 | dpkg | goats: (A sticky-note type program for Gnome 2), section gnome, is extra. Version: 2.2-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 186 kB, Installed size: 476 kB |
| 14:16.13 | maurice | ok ->greycat |
| 14:17.38 | dli | anyone got some information about "ZK rootkit" ? |
| 14:17.50 | jethr0 | dli: google might |
| 14:17.54 | sml | ok.. found it.. its in mail.vim. |
| 14:18.06 | sml | time to nuke that lil' fscker. |
| 14:18.15 | dli | jethr0, not obivious to me after google :( |
| 14:18.59 | dli | jethr0, I need to know how it got in, before I can reinstall the system |
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| 14:19.21 | ysothoth | dli: web scripts |
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| 14:19.31 | Guerin | dli: ask #security |
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| 14:20.03 | jethr0 | dli: joes account/poorly coded webapp/vulnerable service [check at least one] |
| 14:20.08 | tosh| | how come when I paste something from one vi to another, I get tabs inserted at the beginning of most lines in an incrementing fashion... how do I avoid this? |
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| 14:20.22 | jethr0 | dli: do you run awstats? :) |
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| 14:20.31 | ysothoth | awstats :( |
| 14:20.34 | dli | jethr0, no, let me nmap it now |
| 14:21.01 | Guerin | is awstats known-holey? |
| 14:21.09 | ysothoth | Yeah |
| 14:21.13 | einsteinmg | # update-rc.d -n mount-bind start 37 S . |
| 14:21.14 | einsteinmg | update-rc.d: error: expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ?) |
| 14:21.16 | petemc | Guerin: it was, its fixed now |
| 14:21.19 | einsteinmg | whats wrong? |
| 14:21.21 | Guerin | oh |
| 14:21.25 | jethr0 | Guerin: it's been exploited massively lately |
| 14:21.36 | ysothoth | crack of the day :) |
| 14:21.38 | jethr0 | Guerin: but it doesn't have such a bad press as wu-* |
| 14:21.43 | dli | jethr0, no, I don't have http server, but a squid proxy running |
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| 14:22.29 | isdn | hi folks |
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| 14:22.59 | pingouin_ | oh yeag |
| 14:23.03 | isdn | i've got a wired problem with my isdn auto-dialup and routing |
| 14:23.05 | dli | jethr0, webmin open, 10000/tcp |
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| 14:23.59 | isdn | i just works well once. if the connection is terminated, it won't set up default route again. |
| 14:24.30 | jethr0 | HAHAHAHA |
| 14:24.49 | jethr0 | dli: think you can investigate the webmin possibility :) |
| 14:25.03 | isdn | and i have absolutely no clue, under which circumstances these "/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/*"-scripts are executed |
| 14:25.10 | dli | jethr0, how did this got installed? careless apt-get |
| 14:25.21 | vitriol | how do you change your time zone? |
| 14:25.22 | maxdoubt | my graphics have been really slow on this g4 laptop, but its got an radeon 9600, is there something i need to configure in the framebuffer, or is it just a driver for xfree86 that i need? my goal is to get working window transparency |
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| 14:25.30 | dli | vitriol, tzconfig |
| 14:25.30 | maxdoubt | probably better if i was in an xserver chatroom? |
| 14:25.34 | vitriol | dli: thanks |
| 14:25.42 | jethr0 | dli: how would *I* know how fucked up software get its ass on your box? |
| 14:25.50 | jethr0 | !room |
| 14:25.50 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 14:26.19 | isdn | anyone? |
| 14:26.29 | greycat | maxdoubt: what's slow? normal 2D WM operations? 3D games? |
| 14:26.59 | dli | jethr0, but the other boxes got rooted at the same time doesn't have webmin :( it does have apache |
| 14:27.00 | jethr0 | is there any window transparency in xfree? |
| 14:27.09 | nevyn | maxdoubt: transparency won't happen on debian until post sarge. |
| 14:27.09 | Guerin | no |
| 14:27.19 | nevyn | it's an x.org/kdrive feature. |
| 14:27.33 | jethr0 | dli: google for forensic procedures, and please stop wasting my time |
| 14:27.54 | soloflyer | cya |
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| 14:28.46 | maxdoubt | well.. normal 2d operations hog a lot of the processor, just dragging a window around the desktop and stuff like that... 3d games are out of the question... rediculously slow, even opengl screensavers are slow |
| 14:29.09 | greycat | maxdoubt: is this with sarge's normal xserver-xfree86 4.3.0-*? |
| 14:29.20 | Guerin | maxdoubt: is this using xorg and transparency or shadows? |
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| 14:29.29 | directhex|work | maxdoubt, 9600 uses the ati r3xx chip, which is not accelerated in 2d or 3d under non-x86 linux |
| 14:29.32 | greycat | excuse me, 4.3.0.dfsg.1-* |
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| 14:30.09 | maxdoubt | yeah, using 4.3.0 |
| 14:30.11 | jethr0 | does dfsg correspond to random typing? I ve alsways been woindering |
| 14:30.16 | greycat | !dfsg |
| 14:30.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 14:30.17 | Arrk_ | have any way to resize a partition via linux? cause I only know using Partition Magic :/ |
| 14:30.18 | directhex|work | there's a very very early project to reverse-engineer some acceleration from r300, but it's not in a usable form yet, and certainly not in debian's 4.3.0.dfsg |
| 14:30.21 | maxdoubt | no support for my chip? |
| 14:30.28 | jethr0 | oh |
| 14:30.31 | jethr0 | thanks greycat |
| 14:30.39 | simoriah | Hi. I've got a debian box that's got the hardware clock set to localtime. Date is showin UTC, though. /etc/defaults/rcS has UTC=no. What do I need to change for this all to work right? |
| 14:30.47 | directhex|work | maxdoubt, it's an ati issue, they don't release documentation for their chips, and there are no non-x86 binary drivers |
| 14:30.50 | greycat | simoriah: tzconfig |
| 14:31.00 | sml | finally im not blind anymore. phew. |
| 14:31.10 | isdn | anyone using isdn-dialup here? |
| 14:31.17 | simoriah | /etc/timezone is set properly. Shows America/Detroit like I'd expect it to. |
| 14:31.18 | maxdoubt | i heard they released a driver for my card... but i haven't had time to fiddle with it |
| 14:31.20 | greycat | svr1a:/# time /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start |
| 14:31.20 | greycat | Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...imadev.eeg.ccf.org:/opt/app: Invalid argument |
| 14:31.23 | greycat | more errors |
| 14:31.25 | greycat | real 6m57.292s |
| 14:31.33 | sml | isdn: I am. but not with linux =] |
| 14:31.45 | linuxfreck | Arrk_: parted can resize fat and many linux filesystems and their partitions |
| 14:31.51 | isdn | @sml: lol, thanks for that one :) |
| 14:32.03 | directhex|work | maxdoubt, ati do not have any drivers for your card under ppc |
| 14:32.15 | directhex|work | maxdoubt, and there is no open accelerated driver for it |
| 14:32.32 | sml | isdn: wish I was using linux though but god knows how easy it would be getting a terminal adapter in a linux box talking with a CISCO.. perhap's someone here can answer that question from experience ? |
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| 14:33.03 | maxdoubt | that's disappointing |
| 14:33.26 | isdn | i have no clue, when (or when not) these scripts under "/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/" will be executed |
| 14:33.35 | isdn | it seems to me that never happens |
| 14:33.48 | isdn | and i can't find the switch to change that behavior |
| 14:33.55 | directhex|work | maxdoubt, you could email ati and ask them for a binary driver, or to help the people at r300.sf.net |
| 14:34.02 | Arrk_ | linuxfreck tnx for helping |
| 14:34.11 | linuxfreck | np |
| 14:34.53 | maxdoubt | what about a source driver? |
| 14:35.00 | nevyn | is there a table of rXXX to radeon XXXX type numbers |
| 14:35.04 | darkcmd | they don't release the source |
| 14:35.06 | nevyn | maxdoubt: it's being worked on. |
| 14:35.21 | greycat | nevyn: #ati might konw |
| 14:35.23 | isdn | well if nobody knows, i'll purge those isdn-packages away and re-install them with "factory-defaults" |
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| 14:35.38 | maxdoubt | so... in good time, along with the broadcom chipset |
| 14:35.52 | jethr0 | wasn't ISDN used like in the last century? |
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| 14:36.07 | greycat | hehe |
| 14:36.20 | isdn | jethr0: yes, and in very deep country-side, where they don't install DSL or cable |
| 14:36.20 | sml | jethr0: yar. most companies use VPN's now and most home users have broadband. |
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| 14:36.25 | stew | jethr0: do you connect to the internet with any technologies that weren't used in the last century? |
| 14:36.33 | jethr0 | stew: indeed |
| 14:36.38 | sml | jethr0: however perhaps he needs X25 over one of the data channels ;) |
| 14:36.38 | nevyn | hrm |
| 14:37.00 | isdn | not all of us can affort satelite-connection |
| 14:37.05 | amx | whats the difference between Fast Scan Colour and TFT LCD monitors? |
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| 14:37.17 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 14:37.34 | amx | rephrased: is Fast Scan Colour inferior to TFT? |
| 14:37.40 | bedboi | anyone knows where i can find the modules e100.o (ee pro 100) for 2.4.18-bf2.4 ? |
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| 14:37.43 | bedboi | i just need that |
| 14:37.45 | directhex|work | nevyn, the xfree86 documentation is quite good for that |
| 14:38.01 | simoriah | greycat : Thank you very much. Aparently tzselect wasn't putting a \n at the end of /etc/timezone. tzconfig did the trick. Thanks again! |
| 14:38.03 | isdn | i am a little afraid of prugeing the isdn-packages, cause then, i'm cut from the internet, arg |
| 14:38.09 | jethr0 | bedboi: in /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/ ? |
| 14:38.28 | greycat | why it worked for 124 days before yesterday without any issues remains unknown |
| 14:38.30 | asg | greycat: so it wasn't the guys with the cement shoes after all |
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| 14:38.46 | jethr0 | greycat: that's voodoo magic |
| 14:38.48 | stew | bedboi: iirc eepro100 is built into that kernel |
| 14:39.03 | tolga | hi guys, I installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 with apt-get install. And i reboot the system. But the following errors occured: |
| 14:39.03 | tolga | pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 14:39.03 | tolga | /sbin/init: 431:cannot open dev/console:no such file |
| 14:39.03 | tolga | Kernel panic:Attempted to kill init! |
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| 14:39.04 | maxdoubt | what about this fglrx driver http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 14:39.04 | bedboi | stew: it doesn't work with my nic |
| 14:39.06 | Guerin | greycat: well, it shouldn';t work, should it? |
| 14:39.11 | bedboi | stew: i need e100.o |
| 14:39.14 | greycat | Guerin: dunno. |
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| 14:39.17 | bedboi | which is not built in that kernel |
| 14:39.30 | tolga | sorry, I kicked |
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| 14:39.38 | tolga | is there any solution for this. |
| 14:39.38 | Guerin | i think that nfs counts it as exporting the same filesystem twice |
| 14:39.40 | directhex|work | maxdoubt, are you just enjoying fucking ignoring me? you said you run a powerpc chip, yes? |
| 14:39.52 | isdn | @bedboi: aren't there two ee100pro drivers? one from the comunity and one from intel itself? |
| 14:39.56 | sml | isdn: there is an isdn howto for linux (surprise surprise). its in german but apparently there's an english translation. maybe you should go google. |
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| 14:40.02 | stew | bedboi: if its in that kernel as a module, then load it with modconf |
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| 14:40.13 | isdn | sml: german is just fine for me |
| 14:40.19 | isdn | could you hand me the link? |
| 14:40.26 | sml | isdn: http://www.klaus.franken.de/DE-ISDN-HOWTO/html/DE-ISDN-HOWTO.html |
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| 14:40.31 | tolga | Guerin, you said to me? |
| 14:40.33 | maxdoubt | haha.. not ignoring, just searching |
| 14:40.44 | Guerin | tolga: i did? |
| 14:40.49 | bedboi | isdn: i have eepro and eepro100, both won't work |
| 14:40.55 | tolga | Guerin, i think not to me :) |
| 14:41.02 | bedboi | s/won't/don't |
| 14:41.03 | directhex|work | maxdoubt, ati only produce binary drivers for i386 linux and amd64 linux. end of story. |
| 14:41.19 | tolga | Guerin, my new kernel panics what can i do? |
| 14:41.30 | Guerin | tolga: use a debian kernel |
| 14:41.34 | stew | bedboi: is this for a server or a workstation? |
| 14:41.47 | tolga | Guerin, i installed it with apt-get install |
| 14:41.56 | sml | isdn: just remember that anywhere where it tells you to configure text files by hand, you want to be doing it the DEBIAN way. That will probably involve a dpgk-reconfigure , or update-rc.d type thingy |
| 14:42.04 | bedboi | stew: it's a tablet pc. i found somewhere in the net that i need to use e100.o module |
| 14:42.08 | tolga | Guerin, isn't it a debian kernel? |
| 14:42.08 | stew | !d-i bedboi |
| 14:42.09 | dpkg | bedboi, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:42.17 | Guerin | tolga: follow the instructions it gave you |
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| 14:42.26 | sml | isdn: if after trying you THEN get stuck, come ask here :) im sure some kind knowledgable soul will be able to help. |
| 14:42.33 | directhex|work | !tell bedboi about woody hardware support |
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| 14:42.38 | tolga | Guerin, where is the instructions? |
| 14:42.43 | bedboi | i can't use sarge |
| 14:42.48 | stew | bedboi: why not? |
| 14:42.49 | bedboi | it's a long story |
| 14:42.58 | stew | give us the short version |
| 14:43.05 | Guerin | tolga: you should have seen them when you installed the kernel |
| 14:43.13 | tolga | Guerin, i d/l and install a kernel image with apt-get install! |
| 14:43.20 | bedboi | the only way i can boot is using a woody rescue disk |
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| 14:43.45 | directhex|work | bedboi, evidently not, since a woody rescue disc doesn't support your hardware |
| 14:43.56 | tolga | Guerin, the error is "cannot open dev/console:no such file" |
| 14:43.57 | asg | bedboi: did you try using the eepro100 module under woody? |
| 14:43.58 | bedboi | at least it boots |
| 14:44.02 | bedboi | and i installed base system |
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| 14:44.12 | Guerin | tolga: i dunno, then |
| 14:44.12 | bedboi | asg: it doesn't work |
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| 14:44.20 | directhex|work | bedboi, handy. you have no network, so now what? |
| 14:44.33 | bedboi | directhex: i still can use usb mass storage |
| 14:44.34 | directhex|work | !info module-assistant woody |
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| 14:44.45 | bedboi | it's how i installed the base system |
| 14:45.16 | linuxfreck | bedboi: are you sure you have a compatible intel nic in that pc? also what does doesn't work mean exactly |
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| 14:45.36 | stew | bedboi: why couldn't you install sarge from a usb key? |
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| 14:45.40 | directhex|work | eepro100 is old trash, and supports nothing made after jan 2002 |
| 14:45.40 | tolga | is there anybody who know that error? I'm trying to install kernel for 1 week. I tried kernel-image, source compiling, kernel packaging. :(( |
| 14:45.46 | directhex|work | e100 works with modern chips |
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| 14:46.31 | bedboi | stew now i have the base system |
| 14:46.33 | asg | tolga: probably udev borkage |
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| 14:46.54 | bedboi | stew: how i can install sarge now? |
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| 14:46.55 | tolga | asg: i don't understand |
| 14:47.11 | bedboi | s/i can/can i |
| 14:47.16 | stew | bedboi: put a newer kernel on there |
| 14:47.20 | bedboi | i have a netinst sarge iso |
| 14:47.30 | bedboi | ok |
| 14:47.32 | stew | bedboi: did you use it? |
| 14:47.48 | bedboi | i can't boot using usbpen |
| 14:47.52 | directhex|work | bedboi, perhaps you could dpkg -i a kernel image from the sarge iso |
| 14:47.58 | bedboi | yep |
| 14:48.41 | asg | tolga: does it work with 2.4.x kernels? |
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| 14:49.25 | tolga | i installed debian with net-installer, system works with only its first kernel |
| 14:49.44 | asg | tolga: and that kernel is? |
| 14:50.05 | tolga | asg: 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 14:50.33 | asg | tolga: and which debian image did you try to install? |
| 14:50.37 | directhex|work | tolga, pivot_root problems are relatively common, as far as problems go |
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| 14:51.06 | tolga | asg, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 14:51.15 | asg | tolga: is this a SATA system by chance? |
| 14:51.27 | tolga | asg, yes it is |
| 14:51.38 | asg | tolga: are you specifying /dev/hdX or /dev/sdX |
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| 14:51.52 | tolga | asg : dev/hdX |
| 14:52.00 | directhex|work | hdx is wrong wrong wrong |
| 14:52.05 | asg | tolga: try /dev/sdX |
| 14:52.11 | tolga | in lilo? |
| 14:52.15 | asg | tolga: it changed in 2.6.7 from /dev/hdX to /dev/sdX |
| 14:52.21 | asg | s/in/after/ |
| 14:52.34 | directhex|work | hdx is only correct on older 2.4 kernels with intel ich5/ich6 |
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| 14:52.43 | tolga | asg, do i change in lilo as root=/dev/sdX |
| 14:52.44 | tolga | ? |
| 14:52.45 | directhex|work | it should always be sd* on sata |
| 14:52.54 | asg | tolga: yes |
| 14:53.20 | tolga | asg, thanks, i am going to try it now |
| 14:53.31 | asg | tolga: you will probably have to fix /etc/fstab also |
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| 14:53.36 | nix000 | is there a command to create/remove a link for my /etc/init.d/myservice scripts in all run levels ? |
| 14:53.37 | tolga | directhex|work, thanks you too |
| 14:53.48 | einsteinmg | nix000: update-rc.d |
| 14:53.49 | asg | nix000: man update-alternatives, man ln |
| 14:53.53 | dexter__ | What do i need to install the nvidia graphics drivers? |
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| 14:53.57 | asg | s/alternatives/rc.d/ |
| 14:54.00 | nix000 | einsteinmg, hanks |
| 14:54.04 | einsteinmg | np ;) |
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| 14:54.09 | greycat | dexter__: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 14:54.12 | greycat | dexter__: /msg dpkg faq |
| 14:54.15 | einsteinmg | im currently filing a bugreport for this prog *grml* |
| 14:54.25 | nix000 | asg, thanks to you also |
| 14:54.29 | asg | nix000: you're welcome |
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| 14:54.54 | tolga | asg, when i run lilo it gives me a warning as "Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda'" is this a problem of sata? |
| 14:55.09 | tolga | in 2.4.x kernel |
| 14:55.21 | directhex|work | tolga, it's a problem with devfs i think. you ought to be able to ignore it |
| 14:55.21 | asg | tolga: no, it's devfs or udev causing that iirc. |
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| 14:55.52 | einsteinmg | what's the permissions of /var/lib/dpkg/info/*md5sums in debian? |
| 14:56.00 | tolga | asg and directhex|work : is this a serious problem or not? |
| 14:56.02 | einsteinmg | are these permissions umask dependent from root? |
| 14:56.02 | greycat | einsteinmg: install debian and find out |
| 14:56.15 | greycat | einsteinmg: why would you fuck with root's umask? |
| 14:56.24 | greycat | it's not like you should be *logging in* as root... |
| 14:56.27 | einsteinmg | because umask 022 is schit |
| 14:56.31 | einsteinmg | shit |
| 14:56.32 | directhex|work | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 350 2004-07-20 02:32 /var/lib/dpkg/info/zoo.md5sums |
| 14:56.35 | asg | tolga: shouldn't be |
| 14:56.39 | einsteinmg | thx |
| 14:56.47 | tolga | thanks |
| 14:56.49 | greycat | einsteinmg: why is it "schit"? |
| 14:57.00 | greycat | because it's *normal* and *sensible*? |
| 14:57.06 | directhex|work | tolga, no idea, sarge uses grub (and so do i) |
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| 14:57.13 | einsteinmg | greycat: should be 027 |
| 14:57.30 | einsteinmg | # l /var/lib/dpkg/info/sysv-rc.md5sums |
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| 14:57.36 | einsteinmg | -rw-r----- 1 root root 1.1K 2005-01-24 21:51 /var/lib/dpkg/info/sysv-rc.md5sums |
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| 14:58.09 | Sirgado | it is ok if apt wants to install gcc 2.95 (I alrady got 3.3) when I want to install a dev packet? |
| 14:58.20 | greycat | einsteinmg: why? |
| 14:58.23 | directhex|work | Sirgado, no, it's not. you run kanotix by any chance? |
| 14:58.29 | einsteinmg | or does debian require am umask of 022 for root if he wants to install any packages? |
| 14:58.43 | kaner | Sirgado: only if the package is called gcc-2.95 |
| 14:58.48 | Sirgado | no, it's a debian sarge with some usntable packets |
| 14:58.50 | tolga | directhex|work, i don't know any idea about grub. I'm using lilo after i go into the world of linux. I sceared it :) |
| 14:58.56 | tolga | when installation :) |
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| 14:59.22 | kaner | Sirgado: is it called gcc or gcc-2.95 |
| 14:59.34 | Sirgado | npacket is libsdl-dev |
| 14:59.38 | directhex|work | !info gcc-2.95 sid |
| 14:59.41 | dpkg | gcc-2.95: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:2.95.4-22 (sid), Packaged size: 915 kB, Installed size: 2224 kB |
| 14:59.59 | directhex|work | hm, should be okay then, but it's not something i'd usually recommend |
| 14:59.59 | kaner | Sirgado: the gcc package i mean |
| 15:00.01 | einsteinmg | greycat: because there are not only singel user machines, and not only directories for one user (if you working with shared dirs you _dont_ want an umask of 022) |
| 15:00.10 | greycat | einsteinmg: why don't I? |
| 15:00.16 | kaner | directhex|work: some software expects 2.95 |
| 15:00.20 | greycat | I'd imagine there are many cases where you'd want umask 002, but not 027. |
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| 15:00.29 | kaner | directhex|work: becuase it allows some dirty hacks :D |
| 15:00.42 | einsteinmg | greycat: I is irrelevant here... |
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| 15:01.14 | Sirgado | so, what you recomend me? let apt do what he wants? |
| 15:01.19 | kaner | Sirgado: yes |
| 15:01.26 | streuner | yes |
| 15:01.36 | streuner | Sirgado: apt is an intelligent tool |
| 15:01.46 | einsteinmg | greycat: a few packages are not useable for !root useres if apt-get install runs with umask 022 |
| 15:02.03 | FarrisG | I'm on the phone all day yesterday with Cadence, wondering why my successfully-installed tools are not working. After hours and hours on the phone, and they were even out here Friday, touching the servers and "preparing" things... The guy asks me, "So, this is RedHat, right?" |
| 15:02.20 | FarrisG | Right... Because Linux means "Red Hat" |
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| 15:02.27 | streuner | heh |
| 15:02.35 | directhex|work | it does to most corps. that or suse |
| 15:02.39 | greycat | einsteinmg: file bug reports |
| 15:02.45 | Sirgado | yes, i love apt. but for a moment i get suspicous... i remember some dirty stories about gcc and 2.95 version and above.... |
| 15:03.01 | Sirgado | thanks everybody |
| 15:03.02 | directhex|work | 2.95 is old woody stuff. sid uses 3.3 and 3.4 for things |
| 15:03.05 | fayce | hi, i'm using ubuntu (wich is like a debian) and i configured apt-get source list as in the was said in the ubuntu website, and when i do an "apt-get update" some stuff got downloaded but i receive this msg :"W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirror.clarkson.edu hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.clarkson.edu_pub_distributions_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)W: You may want to r |
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| 15:03.10 | FarrisG | And get this... The damn installer has some uname checks hard coded to just trick you into thinking it worked if you aren't on RedHat... It just fails to mention that it doesn't copy half the files |
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| 15:03.21 | streuner | !ubuntusmite fayce |
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| 15:03.57 | fayce | streuner ??? |
| 15:04.02 | streuner | #ubuntu |
| 15:04.16 | fayce | huh , i can't.. |
| 15:04.21 | streuner | why? |
| 15:04.26 | fayce | it's hard to explain... but i'll do .. |
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| 15:04.37 | streuner | no, just install debian, we can help then |
| 15:04.41 | fayce | i'm under a proxy wich doesn't let me use irc |
| 15:04.45 | einsteinmg | greycat: so is umask 027 a bad idea for root on debian, or SHOULD it work and everything else is a bug? |
| 15:04.49 | asg | FarrisG: we have software from a vendor who only supports RH 9. That version was sent to the pasture some time back. |
| 15:04.51 | FarrisG | fayce: That's hilarious |
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| 15:05.30 | fayce | and now i'm using a perl script to access irc via my browser.. |
| 15:05.40 | fayce | this one "http://cgi.tam1984.plus.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi" |
| 15:05.41 | streuner | tricky |
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| 15:05.44 | greycat | einsteinmg: I don't know. |
| 15:05.53 | fayce | and the access to #ubuntu is not permitted.. :s |
| 15:05.53 | FarrisG | asg: Well, I have a hunch that the binaries will work fine on debian, and I'm not about to convert our 20+ compute servers to RH. So I'm going to install an appropriate RH release on an old box, get the installer to run and place the files on our fileserver, then try to run it form our debian boxen |
| 15:06.03 | greycat | einsteinmg: it seems like tin-foil-hat crap to *me*, which is why it probably gets very little testing |
| 15:06.03 | dexter__ | greycat: What exactly am i looking for in the faq ? :P |
| 15:06.10 | stew | fayce: try a mailing list then, or switch to debian |
| 15:06.12 | greycat | dexter__: UseNvidia comes to mind. |
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| 15:06.24 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.26 | FarrisG | fayce: Get a shell account on an external box, and use nirc or something like that |
| 15:06.29 | stew | fayce: are you sure you don't just have to register with nickserv? /msg nickserv help |
| 15:06.38 | fayce | stew , debian is so hard to install with his "dselect" |
| 15:06.54 | streuner | fayce: wtf are you talking about? |
| 15:06.56 | stew | !d-i fayce |
| 15:06.57 | dpkg | fayce, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:07.11 | streuner | fayce: most people didn't use dselcect to install debian at all |
| 15:07.16 | stew | fayce: the new installer is not at all hard. you don't need to go anywhere near dselect if you don't like it |
| 15:07.19 | asg | FarrisG: oh, I know their software will run on debian easily. The issue is over support, or their inability to support their product. |
| 15:07.29 | directhex|work | fayce, ubuntu uses an unmodified debian installer. |
| 15:07.32 | FarrisG | asg: Yes, this I understand |
| 15:08.01 | einsteinmg | greycat: ok, i'll put my apt wrappers back in ;) |
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| 15:08.08 | FarrisG | asg: But I'm willing to trade 100% supportability in order get get something higher than 0% installability :) |
| 15:08.14 | fayce | strew, streuner i swear that i love debian (that's why i choosed ubuntu wich i debian-like) but i got crazy when i've tried to install a debian it's sooo hard!! |
| 15:08.20 | bin | Debian testing on duron 900. Synaptic says upgrade udev 053-1 to 056-1, error message says #298351 - udev: Bad permissions for all devices render system unusable or mostly so, grave bugs... Looking at bugs, http://tinyurl.com/59dkx, last post to thread here, http://tinyurl.com/5ee3b, safe to upgrade? Don't know what to do. |
| 15:08.23 | bin | thanks |
| 15:08.32 | stew | fayce: well then we can't help you, sorry |
| 15:08.36 | asg | FarrisG: I am also, the Ultra-PHBs, however, are uneasy with such things. |
| 15:08.37 | directhex|work | !d-i fayce |
| 15:08.38 | dpkg | fayce, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:08.46 | cbr | which package supplies the 'gzcat' command? |
| 15:08.48 | fayce | okay thank you guys! |
| 15:08.51 | FarrisG | asg: Luckily, I'm one step below the UPHBs here |
| 15:08.54 | asg | cbr: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:08.54 | nagual | gzcat is only a symlink |
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| 15:09.01 | fayce | thnx dpkg |
| 15:09.05 | einsteinmg | greycat: to my understanding everything under /var/lib/dpkg/info SHOULD be world readable, or am i wrong? |
| 15:09.11 | cbr | nagual: to what? |
| 15:09.12 | asg | FarrisG: I am too, but that still, in this particular case, doesn't help. |
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| 15:09.15 | sml | cbr: its zcat and its a symlink to cat with a -z option |
| 15:09.20 | fayce | bye ! |
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| 15:09.27 | nagual | gzip |
| 15:09.46 | sml | erm zgip i mean |
| 15:09.47 | sml | lol |
| 15:09.56 | sml | gzip. jesus. get there in the end. |
| 15:10.01 | FarrisG | asg: This job is a dream come true. Nobody hear knows a shitlick about *nix, with few notable exceptions, but they (even the CEO) are all about F/OSS, so they tell me that as long as I can support it, they'll OK anything |
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| 15:11.19 | doggie | dpkg has an out of date url for synaptic, it should be http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/, not http://distro.conectiva.com.br/projetos/46/, |
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| 15:11.54 | streuner | doggie: dpkg, no foo is blablah |
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| 15:12.03 | rrt | Hi friends: sarge is trying to load a module for a floppy drive but my machine doesn't have a floppy drive. how do i remove that from the boot sequence? |
| 15:12.09 | Tweak`TG-Owner | hi all, im in my grub startup, how do I boot with noapic? |
| 15:12.10 | directhex|work | doggie, factoid =~ s/oldinfo/newinfo/ |
| 15:12.16 | sml | einsteinmg: should be drwxr-xr-x |
| 15:12.17 | directhex|work | !tell rrt about blacklist |
| 15:13.09 | einsteinmg | sml: k, thx, what if not? bugreport for apt/dpkg/...? |
| 15:13.47 | sml | einsteinmg: if that directory is not set to that, then chmod it. |
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| 15:14.20 | sml | einsteinmg: chmod 755 ;) |
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| 15:15.09 | streuner | Tweak`TG-Owner: consult the grub man-page or whatever and put the kerneloption into it |
| 15:15.15 | doggie | directhex, streuner : yeah i cant manage it my regexp fu is not good enough |
| 15:15.30 | doggie | i tried :synaptic =~ s/http:\/\/distro.conectiva.com.br\/projetos\/46\/,/http:\/\/www.nongnu.org\/synaptic\/,/ |
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| 15:16.05 | doggie | is there anything else im supposed to escape |
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| 15:17.00 | sml | doogie what are you trying to do? for a start do you really need http in both since they're not being replaced and a "." needs to be "\." otherwise it means match any character |
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| 15:17.15 | einsteinmg | sml: # l -d /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 15:17.15 | einsteinmg | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 132K 2005-04-05 16:03 /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 15:17.50 | sml | einsteinmg: those permissions are fine |
| 15:18.02 | doggie | sml, im giving up my regexp skill is far too low, i just want to replace http://distro.conectiva.com.br/projetos/46/, with http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/, in the dkpg entry synaptic |
| 15:18.02 | Humbe | 'mkfs.vfat -v /dev/hda4' runs fine.. But then 'mount -t vfat /dev/hda4 /mnt/common' returns 'wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4, or too many mounted file systems'.. vfat module is compiled into kernel, mount point is empty dir not used by anything else, and I'm root.. Any suggestions?.. I downsized an ntfs partition to make room for the partition, and it works fine in windoze.. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:18.39 | karsten | What's the issue with gluck? |
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| 15:18.58 | sml | doogie: s/distoro\.conectiva\.com\.br\/projectos\/46\//www\.nongnu\.org\/synaptic\//cg |
| 15:19.03 | einsteinmg | sml: i know ;), but within info/ there are many files which are 0640/0750 |
| 15:19.06 | isdn | hiya |
| 15:19.07 | isdn | back i am |
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| 15:19.09 | greycat | karsten: there's been at least one announcement on d-d-a also. |
| 15:19.09 | isdn | :) |
| 15:19.28 | isdn | sml: that reconfigure thing made it |
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| 15:19.31 | isdn | thanks |
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| 15:19.47 | sml | isdn: cool :) |
| 15:19.50 | isdn | LOL |
| 15:19.52 | trygvebw | HI! What is glib-dev called in Debian? I'm trying to compile Gutenprint, and it complains about missing glib.h. |
| 15:19.54 | sepski | im trying to install vmware-tools on a debian sarge guest on running in vmware, the problem is that when i run vmware-config-tools.pl it complains that gcc3 is not supported, can i just apt-get install gcc272 and use that ? or will the resulting module not work in the kernel becouse it's built with wrong gcc ? |
| 15:19.56 | isdn | next time i know that on my self |
| 15:20.03 | charm | Anyone know how to fix a short read in buffer copy error? |
| 15:20.04 | karsten | greycat: Care to share? |
| 15:20.17 | streuner | dpkg, synaptic is the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/ , or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/synaptic.png |
| 15:20.17 | dpkg | ...but synaptic is already something else... |
| 15:20.21 | greycat | !d-d-a |
| 15:20.22 | dpkg | methinks d-d-a is debian-devel-announce, the list that major Debian developments are posted to. It's perhaps one message a week, so Sarge and Sid users have no excuse not to be on it and read it. Sign up at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 15:20.30 | doggie | looks like you used the delimiter too many times. You may want to use a different delimiter, like ':' or '#'. |
| 15:20.36 | doggie | is what dpkg says |
| 15:20.40 | doggie | im giving up as im off now |
| 15:20.42 | trygvebw | anyone? |
| 15:20.44 | streuner | dpkg, forget synaptic |
| 15:20.58 | greycat | doggie: you can't use \ that way with the bot. |
| 15:21.05 | greycat | doggie: dpkg, synaptic =~ s#oldurl#newurl# |
| 15:21.08 | sml | einsteinmg: but 0640 is fine .. that's still world readable. |
| 15:21.10 | doggie | ill leave it to the gurus |
| 15:21.11 | streuner | dpkg, no synaptic is the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/ , or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/synaptic.png |
| 15:21.11 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 15:21.32 | sml | einsteinmg: those are the correct perms for files in that directory. what is your problem exactly? |
| 15:21.33 | sepski | trygvebw, apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search glib.h |
| 15:21.36 | karsten | greycat: Yeah, and all of that. If you know, is there anything physically preventing you from saying? |
| 15:21.42 | trygvebw | okay |
| 15:22.12 | doggie | cheers streuner |
| 15:22.29 | greycat | karsten: I can't be arsed to DRAG my ass over to the web site, FIND the archive, and then PASTE the damned message for your lazy ass. |
| 15:22.34 | doggie | greycat, remember that in future |
| 15:22.35 | sml | einsteinmg: you can use the find command to find any files that are NOT world readable if that's what you are trying to accomplish. man find. |
| 15:22.44 | doggie | *will remember |
| 15:22.53 | karsten | greycat: "I don't know" would suffice. |
| 15:23.01 | einsteinmg | sml: 0640 is NOT world readable... |
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| 15:23.11 | greycat | !wikifaq sml Permissions |
| 15:23.11 | dpkg | sml: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 15:23.32 | asg | FarrisG: that's cool |
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| 15:23.55 | sepski | nobody knows about prepackaged vmware-tools for debian sarge ? or if the module-assistant supports the vmware tools modules ? |
| 15:23.57 | sml | einsteinmg: Those permissions are correct for that directory. |
| 15:23.59 | sml | greycat: thanks ;) |
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| 15:27.51 | karsten | dpkg: gluck down is "gluck (cvs, people, planet, etc.) downtime - ongoing raid problems" http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00006.html |
| 15:27.51 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 15:27.52 | karsten | !tell greycat about gluck down |
| 15:27.55 | aardvark | meh |
| 15:28.00 | aardvark | another tor-dork |
| 15:28.20 | einsteinmg | sml: hmmm... really? greycat meant 0644 is correct and all others i've asked too |
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| 15:28.23 | sml | einsteinmg: it seems some files in there are world readable and others not, however a quick find command tells me that the files are either 0644 or 0755. there are no other files of any other permission in there. all are world readable. |
| 15:28.36 | sml | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 194 Jun 28 2003 zlib1g.prerm |
| 15:28.38 | oobe | does anyone have a rough idea (or where i could find out) how many IRCDS i could run on a 100mb p4 server without it lagging |
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| 15:28.48 | sml | and -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27 Feb 3 2003 zlib1g.shlibs |
| 15:28.50 | control-c | anyone familiar with cisco switches? |
| 15:28.56 | oobe | i want to know its capacity for shell accounts to sell |
| 15:29.00 | aardvark | control-c: cisco support is |
| 15:29.03 | sml | einsteinmg: that's an example. as you can see one is 644 the other 755. |
| 15:29.15 | sml | einsteinmg: this is on my woody (3.0) box. |
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| 15:30.35 | dexter__ | greycat: I found ONE site i could use to download nvidia-kernel-source from.. but it didn't even work |
| 15:30.35 | dexter__ | Why aren't there any packages for sarge? |
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| 15:30.35 | dexter__ | Only woody :/ |
| 15:30.35 | greycat | dexter__: use sid's. |
| 15:30.35 | einsteinmg | sml: yea, but NONE is NON-world readable, eg. 640 or 750 |
| 15:30.46 | sml | einsteinmg: the thing is some files in there are scripts and need to therefore have the x bit set. |
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| 15:31.27 | dexter__ | greycat: May i? Great |
| 15:31.42 | tomek | hi - how to use binutils to show dynamic libraries linked by an executable ? |
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| 15:31.52 | cbr | can i edit the debian kernel source and disable the unneeded modules and then install only the modules i need? |
| 15:31.53 | einsteinmg | sml: i don't care if the files are 644/755 but there are 640/750, so reportbug does ONLY work as root anymore |
| 15:32.07 | sml | einsteinmg: no that was a mistake on my part caused by me doing 100 things at once. they're all WORLD readable. i have NONE that end in zero. |
| 15:32.20 | greycat | cbr: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 15:32.58 | einsteinmg | sml: right, and exactly _this_ is my problem ;), i've many of them since the last apt/dpkg upgrade |
| 15:33.07 | cbr | greycat: why cant i do it the manual way? |
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| 15:33.51 | pyr3 | Anyone know a way to disable a certain USB device from being loaded (other than disabling the module is uses)? |
| 15:34.03 | pyr3 | *it |
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| 15:34.23 | cahoot | pyr3: blacklist it in /etc/hotplug |
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| 15:35.03 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | gluck ({packages,people}.debian.org) down: /msg dpkg gluck down |
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| 15:35.22 | greycat | karsten: thanks |
| 15:35.30 | karsten | pyr3: Hammer. |
| 15:35.32 | karsten | greycat: NP. |
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| 15:35.52 | sml | einsteinmg: well i dont know how you'll fix that short of setting all the correct modes by hand. |
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| 15:36.25 | pyr3 | cahoot: How do I blacklist it in hotplug? |
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| 15:36.46 | pyr3 | What do I need to 'man' to find out? |
| 15:36.56 | greycat | pyr3: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 15:37.06 | cahoot | pyr3: (assuming it's a module) put the modulename in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 15:37.12 | Faithful | hey guys is it easy to setup smtp auth in exim4 or does it require a recompile of exim? |
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| 15:38.10 | pyr3 | It's not a module. I have a USB receiver for a keyboard/mouse combo. It acts as one usb device but loads usbmouse and usbkbd. I don't want the mouse part loaded, but I have another usb mouse I'm using. (the one I'm not using is screwing the other up) |
| 15:38.25 | Nero | Gibt es unter Debian ein gutes schreibprogramm konnte irgendwie noch keins finden, warscheinlich hab ich Tomaten auf den Augen |
| 15:38.45 | pyr3 | It's a specific device that I want blacklisted, not the module itself. |
| 15:38.52 | streuner | Nero: #debian.de |
| 15:39.22 | aardvark | !dachs Nero |
| 15:39.23 | dpkg | Nero: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 15:39.25 | Nero | ah ok sorry |
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| 15:39.43 | grupo1 | hola |
| 15:40.24 | aardvark | !es |
| 15:40.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:40.38 | grupo1 | alguien que hable en español |
| 15:40.40 | pyr3 | In /proc/bus/usb/devices the keyboard is If#: 0 on the receiver. The mouse is If#: 1. :-\ |
| 15:40.45 | jethr0 | grupo1: debian-es |
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| 15:41.21 | einsteinmg | sml: k, thx |
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| 15:41.37 | karsten | aardvark: Would you like freedom fries with that? |
| 15:42.18 | dexter__ | greycat: No mirror has the fucking package even though it should |
| 15:42.26 | cahoot | jethr0: they didn't ignore France - did they? |
| 15:42.27 | dexter__ | (according to apt-get.org) |
| 15:42.29 | aardvark | !info fucking |
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| 15:42.46 | aardvark | dexter__: you're right. the package 'fucking' doesn't exist. |
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| 15:43.13 | jethr0 | cahoot: not exactly, but behaved like assholes indeed |
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| 15:43.52 | dexter__ | aardvark: You are soo funny. |
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| 15:44.44 | jethr0 | did he start being such a tard at the same time he started hosting debstats? |
| 15:44.45 | scorphus | [Off-Topic] Does anyone know if there is how to bundle runnable shell scripts inside a JAR file in a way that the Java application would run them? |
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| 15:45.15 | Faithful | Why is exim selected by default and not postfix? |
| 15:45.23 | greycat | scorphus: ask #java |
| 15:45.24 | arjanoosting | after upgrading ldap to latest version in sid, samba segfaults |
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| 15:45.27 | jethr0 | Faithful: because exim is debians default mta |
| 15:45.38 | darkcmd | packages.debian.org seems to be up |
| 15:45.43 | v_ | mycat will go away! |
| 15:45.51 | Faithful | jethr0: stating the obvious |
| 15:45.59 | scorphus | greycat: did so, they were a bit rude, unfortunately |
| 15:46.07 | jethr0 | Faithful: you asked the obvious |
| 15:46.24 | greycat | darkcmd: oh..... they moved it to saens |
| 15:46.27 | arjanoosting | i have my user account in ldap and it seems that samba segfaults when connecting to the ldap server |
| 15:46.32 | darkcmd | yeah? |
| 15:46.44 | darkcmd | so was there any dataloss to the content on the page? |
| 15:46.48 | greycat | packages.debian.org. 59m56s IN A 128.101.80.133 |
| 15:46.50 | Faithful | jethr0: I asked WHY? not IS? |
| 15:47.06 | greycat | darkcmd: you tell us. |
| 15:47.12 | darkcmd | I'm not sure |
| 15:47.12 | sml | here's a question for you greycat ... there is -perm +mode, -mode , mode , all great for finding bits that ARE set either conditionally (OR) or undconditionally (AND), how does one find bits that are NOT set. |
| 15:47.28 | sml | well not just for greycat infact.. anyone feel free to answer :) |
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| 15:47.54 | arjanoosting | has someone any idea on how to fix it? |
| 15:48.20 | jethr0 | Faithful: I read "why" and "is" sorry |
| 15:48.27 | ding | Anyone use apache-perl? For some reason my .php files are not getting handled by the server. Can't figure out why because I have libapache-mod-php4 installed... |
| 15:48.27 | greycat | sml: use "!" to negate it |
| 15:48.39 | arjanoosting | it seems to be a problem with ssl |
| 15:48.57 | sml | greycat: i tried that but if i do that i get NOR and NAND which is not what i want |
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| 15:49.20 | sml | greycat: say i have a file mode 000, a ! -perm +0000 will actually find ALL files not the one at mode 000. |
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| 15:49.52 | darkskiez | Anyone used faked/fakeroot, i cant get faked to work and the documentation is minimal |
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| 15:50.17 | greycat | sml: ! -perm +7777 |
| 15:50.39 | sml | greycat: Erm. Doh! :) |
| 15:51.35 | darkcmd | greycat: it seems to be doing well |
| 15:51.38 | Tweak`TG-Owner | sml by chance do you know what the si is in the tops cpu(s) row? (you know, where the us sy ni id wa hi si is?) |
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| 15:53.42 | caphuso | hrm... $(findstring $(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS),debug) in a Makefile means that it is looking if the expansion of $(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS) is a substring of debug and should most likely to be changed to $(findstring debug,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS)), right? |
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| 15:54.26 | nagual | ndow 10 fenrus |
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| 15:55.50 | Tweak`TG-Owner | would a -386 or -k7 run better on an amd 64? (I dont want to run k8 I dont want to run 64-bit) |
| 15:55.59 | dvs | k7 |
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| 15:56.42 | Tweak`TG-Owner | ok thanks dvs. |
| 15:56.47 | dvs | Tweak`TG-Owner: np |
| 15:57.42 | rrt | in order to blacklist floppy module at boottime, i have to add skip foo to discover.conf file. is there a way to learn which module ide-floppy, floppy, i need to skip? |
| 15:58.17 | rrt | my kernel.log file says floppy0 |
| 15:58.27 | simonwheatley | I am trying to install php4-gd to get gd2, but installing appears not to work. |
| 15:58.49 | simonwheatley | Can anyone suggest anything please? |
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| 15:59.58 | valdyn_ | rrt: lsmod | grep floppy |
| 16:00.07 | rrt | thanks |
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| 16:01.45 | rrt | valdyn_: I type lsmod | grep floppy and nothing returned |
| 16:02.14 | stew | simonwheatley: why doesn't it work? have you checked the bts? |
| 16:02.25 | valdyn_ | rrt: yea, i dont know how the floppy module is really called, but checking if its loaded works to see what you need to "skip", checking name.. |
| 16:02.28 | simonwheatley | stew: bts? |
| 16:02.38 | darkcmd | can't do this netinstall until I get this serial modem |
| 16:02.48 | stew | simonwheatley: /msg dpkg bts (as you were instructed by the /topic) |
| 16:03.17 | valdyn_ | rrt: floppy.ko is the name for a standard floppy |
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| 16:03.40 | rrt | so the module would be floppy.ko? |
| 16:03.57 | Tweak`TG-Owner | hi, anybody know what SI is in the top task manager? |
| 16:04.00 | valdyn_ | rrt: lsmod | grep floppy would have showed something if you had the standard floppy module loaded |
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| 16:04.13 | Tweak`TG-Owner | my is going up and down from 20 to 80 % and the computer isnt even doing anything. |
| 16:04.24 | rrt | isn't loaded, it fails during boot. there is no floppy drive in the machine |
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| 16:04.43 | valdyn_ | rrt: oh |
| 16:04.46 | CuriosCat | Howdy all |
| 16:05.04 | arjanoosting | has anyone experience with a samba / slapd with ssl setup? |
| 16:05.07 | valdyn_ | rrt: and you goal is to make discover not even try to look for a floppy? |
| 16:05.08 | greycat | rrt: then it's probably just seeing the floppy *controller*.. |
| 16:05.17 | greycat | rrt: blacklist the floppy module? |
| 16:05.18 | CuriosCat | can anyone clue me in which one of the woody driver floppies contains the aic7xxx adaptec scsi driver? I can't seem to find any documentation anywhere that lists which drivers are on which floppy. |
| 16:05.30 | rrt | valdyn_: yes |
| 16:05.46 | greycat | CuriosCat: you certainly should start with bf24 |
| 16:05.53 | greycat | CuriosCat: (or sarge) |
| 16:06.06 | petemc | its definately compiled into bf24 |
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| 16:06.13 | valdyn_ | rrt: blacklisting "floppy" should do it. ( though i dont know of discover needs "floppy" or "floppy.ko" |
| 16:06.20 | rrt | greycat: that is what I am trying to do, don't know what the module name is to skip foo. would be floppy or floppy.ko? |
| 16:06.32 | simonwheatley | stew: nothing seems significant on bts for that package. the top one appears to relate to Apache 1.x and I'm running Apache2, and have restarted it anyway. |
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| 16:06.47 | CuriosCat | pete/greycat: Hrm, docs only said to try bf24 for USB support. But I'll try it. :) |
| 16:06.47 | greycat | rrt: floppy |
| 16:06.49 | Tweak`TG-Owner | wow does anybody know what "si" is in top??????????? |
| 16:06.50 | rrt | thanks |
| 16:06.54 | valdyn_ | rrt: without .ko |
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| 16:07.01 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.06 | stew | simonwheatley: can you be more descriptive than 'installing appears not to work.' |
| 16:07.07 | jhares | why i can't run xterm or xclock under the root? |
| 16:07.19 | greycat | jhares: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 16:07.27 | dvs | greycat: It's on the Cpu(s) line for me |
| 16:07.27 | greycat | (WHY on EARTH would you want a root xclock?) |
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| 16:07.37 | greycat | Cpu(s): 0.0% user, 0.0% system, 0.0% nice, 100.0% idle |
| 16:07.37 | pingouin_ | ) |
| 16:07.39 | pingouin_ | :) |
| 16:07.42 | greycat | does that help? |
| 16:08.00 | simonwheatley | stew: running "apt-get install php4-gd2" and restarting apache2 does not give me any gd functionality. |
| 16:08.07 | dvs | greycat: Probably has to do with multiple CPUs |
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| 16:08.15 | dvs | greycat: Cpu(s): 1.8% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 96.4% id, 1.5% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si |
| 16:08.19 | greycat | dvs: or sarge vs. woody vs. sid vs. god knows what |
| 16:08.29 | greycat | dvs: is that sid? |
| 16:08.32 | Tweak`TG-Owner | greycat could you keep going? |
| 16:08.34 | dvs | greycat: I'm running sarge on both of my machines |
| 16:08.37 | asg | greycat: it's the upgraded top in sarge/sid |
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| 16:08.42 | Tweak`TG-Owner | whats after idle the wa hi and si |
| 16:08.52 | NoGodNoMaster | hi all, what does *unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address ...* mean? it caused an kernel oops and system freeze :-( |
| 16:08.56 | yoh_ | At which step Release files from repository make any difference? I'm trying to pin packages by label or component from Release file but apt-get install doesn't even read any of Release files... |
| 16:09.02 | valdyn_ | Tweak`TG-Owner: "wa" is waiting for io |
| 16:09.02 | greycat | Tweak`TG-Owner: keep going what? |
| 16:09.05 | greycat | that's all mine has. |
| 16:09.06 | asg | NoGodNoMaster: bad memory or you don't have any swap space |
| 16:09.16 | simonwheatley | stew: forgot to mention I'm running sarge. |
| 16:09.29 | dvs | greycat: On my non HT computer: Cpu(s): 0.0% user, 0.0% system, 0.0% nice, 100.0% idle |
| 16:09.47 | Tweak`TG-Owner | greycat keep going down the line. how whats hi and si? |
| 16:09.49 | Tweak`TG-Owner | I really need to know se |
| 16:09.50 | Tweak`TG-Owner | si |
| 16:10.05 | Tweak`TG-Owner | but no one here has responded and my google searches get spanish websites |
| 16:10.05 | greycat | Tweak`TG-Owner: there. is. no. si. on. mine. |
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| 16:10.09 | greycat | Cpu(s): 0.0% user, 0.0% system, 0.0% nice, 100.0% idle |
| 16:10.09 | greycat | Mem: 637148k total, 630608k used, 6540k free, 2536k buffers |
| 16:10.09 | greycat | Swap: 979924k total, 0k used, 979924k free, 218724k cached |
| 16:10.12 | Tweak`TG-Owner | arg |
| 16:10.14 | greycat | that's ALL. |
| 16:10.21 | valdyn_ | greycat: your on a 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:10.25 | greycat | valdyn_: yes |
| 16:10.32 | greycat | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 16:10.40 | Tweak`TG-Owner | Cpu(s): 2.7% us, 1.8% sy, 0.0% ni, 48.0% id, 3.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 44.1% si |
| 16:10.42 | valdyn_ | greycat: these "new" values do not show w/ 2.4 kernels |
| 16:10.42 | Tweak`TG-Owner | thats mine |
| 16:10.43 | stew | simonwheatley: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/php4-gd2 ; you might need to edit your php.ini for apache2 |
| 16:11.02 | Tweak`TG-Owner | any idea greycat? |
| 16:11.10 | greycat | Tweak`TG-Owner: well, it *looks* like a break-down of the idle to me. |
| 16:11.28 | greycat | Tweak`TG-Owner: get the source and find out |
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| 16:11.43 | valdyn_ | unfortunately i cant even say rtfm |
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| 16:11.50 | valdyn_ | since the top manpage just sucks |
| 16:11.52 | dexter_ | What was the command in dpkg to see the nvidia instructions now again? nvidia one-line? |
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| 16:12.06 | greycat | one-liner |
| 16:12.25 | Tweak`TG-Owner | greycat si is for sure not idle becuase I cant go anywhere fast |
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| 16:12.31 | stew | Tweak`TG-Owner: i'd guess its the same as si from vmstat |
| 16:12.32 | Tweak`TG-Owner | it spikes up every 1 second |
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| 16:12.41 | Tweak`TG-Owner | stew and what is that? |
| 16:12.53 | stew | Tweak`TG-Owner: man vmstat |
| 16:12.58 | isdn | hi folks |
| 16:13.09 | isdn | that guy with his isdn problems is back ... .) |
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| 16:13.41 | dexter_ | HMm.. well.. it deosn't work |
| 16:13.48 | dexter_ | It says it can't find the module "nvidia" |
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| 16:13.52 | greycat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:13.52 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 16:13.57 | isdn | where do i put custom scripts (which will be executed whenever i dial in) the debian way??? |
| 16:14.01 | valdyn_ | stew: no, that doesnt make sense, i dont use swap, but si in top does fluctuate |
| 16:14.09 | greycat | isdn: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 16:14.11 | stew | valdyn_: dunno, it was just a guess |
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| 16:14.27 | greycat | isdn: or something. not sure what you mean by "dial in". |
| 16:14.39 | isdn | i have isdn with autodial |
| 16:14.50 | greycat | so... that would be... like... dial *out*? |
| 16:14.53 | isdn | so whenever internet conneciton is needed, ipppd establishes connection |
| 16:15.04 | isdn | on a isdn phone line |
| 16:15.15 | valdyn_ | isdn: /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
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| 16:15.45 | isdn | @valdyn_ : yeah, i found that one, but those skripts are never executed |
| 16:15.46 | ravenbird | I think you lost me on that one, isdn |
| 16:15.52 | amx | can i verify the integrity of a debian installation cdrom if i dont have the iso file? |
| 16:16.02 | greycat | isdn: does it use run-parts for that directory? |
| 16:16.03 | valdyn_ | isdn: yea, only when you ifup the interface, not each dial on demand |
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| 16:16.19 | greycat | arc1:~# ls /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 16:16.19 | greycat | 0000usepeerdns 0dns-up exim4 |
| 16:16.33 | isdn | yeah, i have those files |
| 16:16.48 | greycat | arc1:~# grep run-parts /etc/ppp/ip-up |
| 16:16.49 | greycat | comments |
| 16:16.51 | greycat | run-parts /etc/ppp/ip-up.d \ |
| 16:16.54 | isdn | but if i put my custom scripts there, it is not executed every time dial on demand runs |
| 16:16.56 | genix_ | When I start XMMS i get "debian:/var/lib/mysql/mysql# libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!", how can I solve this? |
| 16:17.03 | greycat | PLEASE READ "man run-parts". IT HAS VERY VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION YOU MUST KNOW. |
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| 16:17.10 | isdn | there is this "run-parts" line |
| 16:17.17 | greycat | isdn: man run-parts |
| 16:17.38 | isdn | what's essential there? |
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| 16:18.05 | valdyn_ | greycat: dialing on isdn int a ifup event |
| 16:18.11 | valdyn_ | greycat: i would think at least |
| 16:18.17 | rrt | thanks skip floppy did the trick, no more error on boot. THANKYOU. |
| 16:18.30 | greycat | valdyn_: dunno. I've never seen one. |
| 16:18.38 | isdn | that man pages does not help |
| 16:18.39 | greycat | valdyn_: I didn't think anyone used ISDN outside Germany |
| 16:18.48 | greycat | isdn: what is the NAME of your script? |
| 16:18.50 | atrox | uhm |
| 16:18.57 | isdn | i tried "test" |
| 16:18.59 | valdyn_ | greycat: yea, but dialup should be same |
| 16:19.01 | isdn | without these "" |
| 16:19.02 | atrox | in nl they use isdn |
| 16:19.06 | greycat | isdn: does it conform to the NAME RESTRICTIONS you just read in the man page? |
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| 16:19.08 | isdn | i tried 0test |
| 16:19.14 | greycat | isdn: is it +x? |
| 16:19.18 | isdn | yeah |
| 16:19.23 | isdn | i set it 755 |
| 16:19.53 | valdyn_ | isdn: try if it gets executed when you do "ifup ippp0" or whatever you do to bring up the interface ( /etc/init.d/ipppd restart maybe ) |
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| 16:19.59 | amx | can i verify the integrity of a debian installation cdrom if i dont have the iso file? |
| 16:20.11 | genix_ | How can I fix this error when I start XMMS: "libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!"? |
| 16:20.18 | greycat | amx: get the md5sum from someone. |
| 16:20.24 | isdn | (but i need it on every single auto-dial, not just if i start it by hand) |
| 16:20.28 | amx | ok |
| 16:20.31 | greycat | genix_: check the BTS, but it's a libc error. |
| 16:20.32 | bwlang | anybody know if a normal duron processor can support cpufreq? i have a pc in a box that gets too hot |
| 16:20.39 | valdyn_ | isdn: when i last used isdn it was /etc/init.d/ipppd restart, now it should be ifup ippp0 or somesuch, but who knows |
| 16:20.40 | greycat | genix_: the latter part, anyway. the former part is just a warning |
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| 16:21.13 | greycat | genix_: if installing libmikmod2 removes both messages, then that's something the maintainers (of xmms and/or libc) might want to know |
| 16:21.13 | genix_ | greycat: BTS? whats that |
| 16:21.17 | jethr0 | !win me |
| 16:21.17 | isdn | on my last SuSE box, it simple worked, when putting the needed scripts into /etc/ppp/ip-up.d |
| 16:21.17 | atrox | my win2k is running since 8hrs 20mins 41secs |
| 16:21.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, jethr0! You have won the US presidency! |
| 16:21.18 | bwlang | I see unknown symbol cpufreq_register_driver when i try to modprobe acpi_cpufreq or powernow_k6 |
| 16:21.19 | greycat | !btssmite genix_ |
| 16:21.20 | jethr0 | !lose aix |
| 16:21.21 | dpkg | aix: You Lose. |
| 16:21.25 | jethr0 | \o/ |
| 16:22.20 | simonwheatley | stew: thanks, but there doesn't appear to be anything relevant in the README.Debian. |
| 16:22.29 | genix_ | greycat: well, it did (no messages now) after installing libmikmod2 |
| 16:22.51 | simonwheatley | and the other files seem related to development of PHP, etc. |
| 16:22.53 | greycat | genix_: are you *sure* there aren't any open bugs on xmms that describe this? |
| 16:23.03 | greycat | it's at least the second time I've seen a user make that complaint this week |
| 16:23.52 | genix_ | greycat: I hav just installed some off the packages from "tasksel --taske-package desktop" list so that might be the problem |
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| 16:24.20 | genix_ | greycat: xmms runs fine with "tasksel install desktop" so |
| 16:24.48 | greycat | genix_: that doesn't change the fact that it's a bug in libc that's apparently being triggered by xmms |
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| 16:25.45 | genix_ | greycat: ok |
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| 16:28.33 | dexter_ | Could someone help me with the nvidia drivers? |
| 16:28.44 | dexter_ | Yes. i've asked my question ;) |
| 16:28.45 | stew | simonwheatley: do you have an extension=gd.so line or something similar in your php.ini for apache2? |
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| 16:30.11 | dexter_ | How come X won't recognize/find the nvidia module? |
| 16:30.22 | dexter_ | I've done the nvidia one-liner that dpkg tells you |
| 16:30.53 | Rawplayer | dexter_: modprob nvidia |
| 16:30.59 | Rawplayer | modprobe even |
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| 16:33.36 | rrt | although i have been "learning" alot while installing sarge on my presario (it is great), what is the correct way to utilize my an XP connected printer in my network? win machines can print to it. I've been reading and it seems confusing about exactly what is the right way to do it. do i need a driver on the linux laptop for the printer, or does cups client do it with samba? tips would be great thanks |
| 16:33.48 | dli | any deb experts, is this site legal? my box got rooted by some scripts downloaded from http://ftp.cpanel.net/ |
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| 16:34.12 | dli | anyone knows cpanel in debian? |
| 16:34.17 | simonwheatley | stew: It was commented out in both apache2 and apache versions of php.ini. Would this qualify as a package bug? |
| 16:34.18 | jethr0 | hahahaha |
| 16:34.20 | greycat | sounds webminnish. |
| 16:34.25 | jethr0 | greycat: indeed |
| 16:34.31 | greycat | !cpanel |
| 16:34.35 | Rawplayer | webmin is bad |
| 16:34.36 | simonwheatley | stew: now I've uncommented it works fine. thank you very much for your help. |
| 16:34.38 | greycat | !webmin |
| 16:34.39 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 16:35.01 | jethr0 | didn't cpanel had a remote cmd execution vuln a few days/weeks ago dli ? |
| 16:35.05 | dli | greycat: the official cpanel is Chinese configuration, right |
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| 16:35.27 | rrt | hehe table knives. |
| 16:35.42 | greycat | that particular comment came from some user on the misc@openbsd.org list |
| 16:35.48 | dli | jethr0, so, they first installed cpanel, and use the hole in cpanel? |
| 16:35.56 | greycat | as you can sort of see, the end of the factoid got a bit mangled |
| 16:36.12 | greycat | dli: huh? |
| 16:36.29 | jethr0 | dli: why the f*** would someone compromise your box to install cpanel? |
| 16:36.30 | dli | greycat: I just want to know is webmin the reason? |
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| 16:36.37 | greycat | WERE YOU RUNNING WEBMIN? |
| 16:36.46 | jethr0 | dli: kiddies mostly install ddosnet agents, or IRC bouncers, or such lame tools |
| 16:37.00 | jethr0 | greycat: he said one of the owned box was running webmin |
| 16:37.05 | dli | greycat: no reason for me to run, I dont' even know what webmin is, but it was installed |
| 16:37.06 | jethr0 | greycat: that was a few hours ago iirc |
| 16:37.17 | dli | greycat: could be by mistake, or they installed webmin |
| 16:37.18 | jethr0 | dli: do the boxes share the same password file? |
| 16:37.36 | dli | jethr0, no, different root/passwd |
| 16:37.40 | jethr0 | dli: I *really* doubt someone would crack your boxc and install webmin, there are far superior backdoors around |
| 16:37.57 | jethr0 | dli: any other user that could have the same password on both systems? |
| 16:38.07 | jethr0 | dli: because it's easy to get root locally |
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| 16:39.09 | PoeticJustice | hrm, seems people.debian.org is down |
| 16:39.27 | greycat | !topicsmite PoeticJustice |
| 16:39.28 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon PoeticJustice. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:39.28 | LoRez | !dpkg topicsmite PoeticJustice |
| 16:39.39 | stew | simonwheatley: if the php4-gd package put that line in commented out, it should have been mentioned in README.Debian. maybe file a wishlist bug |
| 16:39.51 | jethr0 | gluck still fsck'ing ? :) |
| 16:39.58 | simonwheatley | stew: thanks again. |
| 16:40.07 | asg | jethr0: no, but there is data corruption so they offlined it. |
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| 16:40.13 | jethr0 | ok |
| 16:40.35 | jethr0 | how huge is glucks fs ? |
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| 16:40.53 | greycat | apparently huge enough that a raid rebuild takes 9 hours |
| 16:40.58 | jethr0 | heh |
| 16:41.05 | LoRez | jethr0: it was significantly porked due to the raid dying |
| 16:41.24 | jethr0 | LoRez: alright |
| 16:41.25 | LoRez | an e2fsck apparantly came back clean on it, but the kernel was oopsing from playing with it. |
| 16:41.33 | jethr0 | duh |
| 16:41.54 | greycat | LoRez: or he could just read the mail himself. |
| 16:42.02 | stew | jethr0: http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=gluck |
| 16:42.11 | stew | 735Gb |
| 16:42.13 | LoRez | greycat: is that in the topic too? ;) |
| 16:42.20 | jethr0 | no in the dpkg factoid |
| 16:42.24 | greycat | stew: ooh, nice. |
| 16:42.25 | jethr0 | which I read :) |
| 16:42.39 | jethr0 | stew: thanks, this is a cool cgi |
| 16:42.58 | stew | yeah, just found out about that yesterday |
| 16:43.19 | FarrisG | I have a weird issue with postfix/popa3d. The mailbox limit in main.cf is set to 0, but once a mailbox file hits 100M, the user can no longer access it through pop |
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| 16:43.27 | FarrisG | he can still login to the server and use mutt, etc. |
| 16:43.31 | FarrisG | but popa3d says no way |
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| 16:43.51 | greycat | main.cf sounds like a postfix config file, yes? |
| 16:44.04 | stew | yes |
| 16:44.17 | greycat | here's a better question: if you have 100 MB mailboxes, why on EARTH are you using mbox format instead of maildir? |
| 16:44.55 | greycat | <enduser> Oh, let me remove the first message. <computer> copying 100 MB mbox file to /tmp... now copying 100 MB file back to /var... |
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| 16:45.28 | greycat | in any case, if your current pop3d is not up to snuff, use another. |
| 16:45.54 | greycat | D'oh! http://people.debian.org/~joey/misc/naming.html won't work very well, I suppose. |
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| 16:50.52 | adaran | hmmm is there any limit on the number of packets/sec in the kernel? |
| 16:51.08 | adaran | or on a device? |
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| 16:53.03 | pipeline | adaran: Specific devices might have limits. If there are limits, they're probably undocumented. |
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| 16:56.06 | adaran | pipeline, i feared as much. i'm getting roughly 500 pps in/out on my net connection - i'm guessing it's much more likely that the router (home user, smc barricade) is the cause for this than my nic? (rtl 8139) |
| 16:56.31 | pipeline | adaran: It could be either. That NIC is a complete piece of shit. Break it in half and burn it. |
| 16:56.50 | adaran | pipeline, it seems to be EVERYWHERE though |
| 16:56.52 | aicrag | it's not worth the time to light the match. |
| 16:57.18 | aicrag | adaran: there's dog shit everywhere in my yard. |
| 16:57.44 | pipeline | adaran: Because it's cheap. If it's on your botherboard, clip the leads, lest you be tempted to use it again. |
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| 16:58.00 | pipeline | adaran: Decent NICs run about a dollar apiece on ebay. Go get a ten-pack of 3c905's or Intel 100's or something. |
| 16:58.18 | adaran | pipeline, hmm it's not onboard, i have it on a seperate card |
| 16:58.33 | adaran | pipeline, for some reason i decided to use it over the onboard one |
| 16:58.43 | pipeline | adaran: In that case, the first piece of advice applies: Break it and half and burn it before someone else is tempted to use it. |
| 16:58.44 | asg | aicrag: downgrade to the previous version (/msg dpkg sdn) |
| 16:58.50 | k3k0 | how i cna mount *.iso movies in debian ? coz mplayer dont support *.iso files |
| 16:58.54 | adaran | pipeline, what if i my onboard device is worse? |
| 16:58.59 | adaran | hehe =) |
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| 16:59.10 | aicrag | asg: thanks |
| 16:59.11 | adaran | i think it's an sis chip, onboard. |
| 16:59.12 | valdyn | k3k0: whats an iso movie? |
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| 16:59.26 | k3k0 | valdyn: mine family movie |
| 16:59.36 | valdyn | k3k0: svcd isnt an iso |
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| 16:59.43 | pipeline | adaran: Bid on an ebay auction, make the payment, then clip the leads and get to burning. |
| 16:59.44 | k3k0 | grand mom birthdays |
| 16:59.52 | valdyn | k3k0: iso is a filesystem, it can contain ANY movie type |
| 16:59.59 | adaran | pipeline, should i get a new router too? =) |
| 17:00.05 | pipeline | k3k0, valdyn: iso files aren't an iso filesystem. |
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| 17:00.13 | slugbug | They aren't? |
| 17:00.22 | k3k0 | how to mount that then |
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| 17:00.24 | pipeline | adaran: Don't fool yourself into thinking that thing is a router. It probably supports RIPv1 at best. It's a gateway, not a router. |
| 17:00.31 | slugbug | Oh right, a raw CD image |
| 17:00.36 | pipeline | k3k0: You might not be able to mount it. You have to find something that can play it directly. |
| 17:00.43 | pipeline | k3k0: vlc should be able to |
| 17:00.44 | valdyn | k3k0: if its an image of an svcd then rename it to .bin and try to play it |
| 17:00.48 | adaran | pipeline, well i guess the term "router" is loosely defined =) |
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| 17:01.04 | bwlang | anybody know how i can find out if my cpu supports cpufreq ? |
| 17:01.04 | pipeline | adaran: It is but it isn't. |
| 17:01.12 | adaran | pipeline, an no, it doesn't move terabytes per second. =) |
| 17:01.20 | valdyn | pipeline: sure not per se, but it makes sense to name disk images after what they really are |
| 17:01.22 | k3k0 | ok i tryy thnx |
| 17:01.34 | pipeline | adaran: A motorized scooter is technically an automobile, but it doesn't meet one's conventional definition of an "auto" |
| 17:01.34 | adaran | k3k0, try "file youriso.iso" |
| 17:01.53 | k3k0 | adaran: what that do : |
| 17:01.53 | pipeline | adaran: A SOHO gateway that happens to do RIPv1 is technically a router, but it's totally and completely useless in that capacity. |
| 17:02.10 | slugbug | k3k0, it uses the system magic-file to attempt to determine what the file is |
| 17:02.15 | alfatau | hi, do you know how to temporary disable an user account? |
| 17:02.30 | adaran | pipeline, now, do you think it's likely one or either of those would fail to transmit more than 500 pps? |
| 17:02.41 | pipeline | adaran: Yes. |
| 17:02.43 | slugbug | alfatau, you might try changing their shell to /bin/nologin (or something like that, I forget) |
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| 17:02.47 | Kvant | alfatau, passwd -l |
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| 17:03.06 | slugbug | heh, well I learned something |
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| 17:03.16 | riot | Hi. How can i find out, why procmail drops a big part of my emails? |
| 17:03.23 | sin_work | arg... where on the disk are all the documents stored... er... program documentation |
| 17:03.36 | riot | sin_work: /usr/share/doc |
| 17:03.37 | asg | sin_work: /usr/share/doc |
| 17:03.48 | sin_work | thank you... tried googling for that for 20 minutes |
| 17:03.56 | adaran | pipeline, if i can do the following: ping -f 192.168.1.100 , where 192.168.1.100 is my IP, and get about 30.000 packets in less then 5 seconds, is it safe to assume my NIC _does_ support more than 500 pps? or would the kernel take 'shortcuts'? |
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| 17:04.14 | caphuso | riot: VERBOSE = on, LOGABSTRACT=all and LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail.log in your .procmailrc |
| 17:04.17 | pipeline | adaran: Your NIC is a piece of shit in any case. And it could be absolutely anything. |
| 17:04.19 | helix | hey, my mail began disappearing (though I am receiving it). postfix is running, but procmail doesn't seem to be sorting anything.. help? :( |
| 17:04.27 | riot | thx, caphuso |
| 17:04.36 | valdyn | adaran: that wont really use your nic |
| 17:04.47 | caphuso | helix: VERBOSE = on, LOGABSTRACT=all and LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail.log in your .procmailrc |
| 17:04.52 | asg | hehe |
| 17:04.53 | adaran | pipeline, yes, but i've got to be pragmatic atm and work with what i have =) |
| 17:05.00 | helix | oh hey, you just said that |
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| 17:05.04 | valdyn | adaran: so yes, the kernel does make this"shortcut" |
| 17:05.07 | riot | =) |
| 17:05.10 | adaran | valdyn, hmm i'll fire up another PC on the network and try flooding that one |
| 17:05.17 | helix | riot: you're having the same problem eh? did you upgrade recently? |
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| 17:05.32 | slocate | in debian exim routes the local root email to my local user, how do I stop that? |
| 17:05.33 | knt | how can i get the list of used libraries by an executable (there should be a command like ld, but i forgot it) |
| 17:05.37 | adaran | valdyn, interesting. thanks |
| 17:05.38 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 17:05.49 | valdyn | adaran: whats 500pps anyway? 500 packets per second? how big are those packets? |
| 17:05.50 | asg | slocate: you don't want to stop that |
| 17:05.52 | helix | oh yeah, I have a procmaillog, duh |
| 17:06.03 | slocate | asg: no? |
| 17:06.04 | adaran | valdyn, mostly syn and ack |
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| 17:06.14 | asg | slocate: no, root should *never* receive mail |
| 17:06.17 | slocate | asg: can't get email? |
| 17:06.20 | adaran | valdyn, they make up 50% of my traffic for some reason =) |
| 17:06.23 | asg | slocate: it should always be forwarded off to another user |
| 17:06.25 | ^rob^ | i have a Q: i donno if it is here to ask or not - but i use debian so... The q: is how the heck do i make in Quanta to use gubed for php debugging! |
| 17:06.31 | adaran | valdyn, and packets of similiar size. |
| 17:06.34 | slocate | asg: i see |
| 17:06.50 | asg | slocate: if you want to change which user it goes to, edit /etc/aliases |
| 17:06.50 | slocate | asg: where is that controlled anyways |
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| 17:07.03 | slocate | asg: thnkx |
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| 17:07.07 | asg | slocate: you're welcome |
| 17:07.09 | alfatau | Kvant: shell says "-l" is an unexisting passwd argument :( |
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| 17:07.25 | philipp_ | can you recommend this book: "The Debian System - Concepts and Techniques" 3-937514-07-4 ?? |
| 17:07.29 | riot | helix: i'm running sid.. i update every week |
| 17:07.45 | helix | riot: I run sid too but I only upgrade like once a month |
| 17:07.48 | asg | philipp_: is that the one in German? |
| 17:07.48 | riot | helix: and my procmail is eating mail since i set it up... |
| 17:07.48 | valdyn | philipp_: wow nice title for a debian book |
| 17:07.54 | helix | oh |
| 17:07.54 | slugbug | alfatau: passwd -l <USER> |
| 17:07.59 | helix | it just started eating mine |
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| 17:08.08 | philipp_ | asg: don't think so |
| 17:08.09 | slocate | asg: didn't even know about that file /etc/aliases :( |
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| 17:08.18 | ^rob^ | do i need gubed daemon or not - to debug php in Quanta?? |
| 17:08.26 | asg | slocate: it's inhereted from sendmail |
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| 17:08.30 | riot | some is getting through.. but just some mins ago i received about 90 according to fetchmail and procmail logged about 20.. which set me a bit up |
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| 17:08.41 | daft_ | how can i add initrd to update-grub (it is only for bootsplash it it isnt adding it) |
| 17:08.47 | asg | slocate: but most MTAs support some format for backwards compatibility. |
| 17:09.00 | asg | daft_: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:09.08 | caphuso | riot: still stuck in your MTA queue? |
| 17:09.08 | slocate | asg: i know that |
| 17:09.12 | gberardi_ | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=do+i+need+gubed+daemon+or+not+-+to+debug+php+in+Quanta%3F%3F&btnG=Google+Search |
| 17:09.28 | slocate | asg: thnkx again that was driving me crazy |
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| 17:09.31 | amx | hi guys |
| 17:09.34 | asg | slocate: hehe |
| 17:09.45 | daft_ | asg and do that every time after i compiled a kernel |
| 17:09.58 | ^rob^ | gberardi_: wow - thnx |
| 17:10.07 | gberardi_ | np |
| 17:10.08 | riot | caphuso: oh, i didn't look for that.. good idea |
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| 17:10.12 | asg | daft_: well, the menu.lst will have an initrd line for the kernel it was compiled for |
| 17:10.28 | amx | which driver would i need for an Xircom CreditCard Ethernet 10/100+ Modem 56.. would that be xirc2ps_cs (Xircom PCMCIA Ethernet)? |
| 17:10.33 | asg | daft_: just look at the example the standard debian kernels use. |
| 17:10.35 | omnistegan | what package do i need for the xf86 server? |
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| 17:10.47 | asg | omnistegan: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 17:10.51 | adaran | well, it's definately the router |
| 17:11.07 | daft_ | nm i do it hand edit then |
| 17:11.12 | riot | umpf. My /var/log/mail.* are all empty.. no fun |
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| 17:11.32 | riot | gna.. ./exim4 :)) |
| 17:11.35 | riot | lol |
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| 17:12.30 | amx | would an Xircom CreditCard Ethernet 10/100+ Modem 56.. be xirc2ps_cs (Xircom PCMCIA Ethernet) or xircom_cb (Xircom Cardbus Ethernet)? |
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| 17:12.43 | helix | hum |
| 17:13.02 | helix | yeah, so apparently my mta is replying to mail I get sayign my user doesn't exist on the system |
| 17:13.02 | riot | oh, exim4 says "no immediate delivery: more than 10 messages received".. how can i switch that off? |
| 17:13.05 | helix | now what? |
| 17:13.16 | amorphix | sorry |
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| 17:13.34 | riot | .oO( That seems to mean, my mail's actually getting through??! Later?!? ) |
| 17:13.41 | riot | wth |
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| 17:14.36 | adaran | now here's another interesting question: my router (sorry, gateway), beeing the end-user appliance that it is, also acts as a switch. now i can send more then 3000 pps to another host on the network (they therefore pass the switch) - so i should be able to safely assume my ISP is the bottleneck? |
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| 17:15.20 | adaran | i should add, the "network" in this case is two computers connected through the mentioned switch/gateway |
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| 17:17.20 | amorphix | does Debian have some issue with TEAC-224E CDROMs? |
| 17:17.39 | adaran | amorphix, sure it's not a linux issue, rather than a debian one? |
| 17:17.56 | valdyn | amorphix: why would it have problems with it? |
| 17:18.00 | amorphix | adaran: could be |
| 17:18.03 | linuxfreck | adaran: completely different parts of the router do the switching and internet access stuff |
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| 17:18.20 | linuxfreck | adaran: so it's not a valid assumption |
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| 17:18.31 | amorphix | valdyn: I'm having no luck at all booting/mounting/installing Debian from my laptops CDROM |
| 17:18.59 | valdyn | amorphix: if you cannot boot from that CDROM, then you problem has nothing at all to do with debian |
| 17:19.06 | amorphix | sure |
| 17:19.19 | amorphix | but i cant even boot from a floppy and mount cdrom drive to install |
| 17:19.29 | amorphix | yet CDROM is accessible in Windows and DOS |
| 17:20.23 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 17:20.32 | valdyn | amorphix: maybe describe what "cannot boot" means exactly ( where it gets stuck ), since the way debians installation CD boot are not different from the standard way to boot off cdroms |
| 17:21.43 | amorphix | valdyn: if I put the (tested another machine) bootable cdrom in, the cdrom drive stirs whirring like crazy and seems to go out of control and the system hangs until powered off/on |
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| 17:22.03 | valdyn | amorphix: so your drive cannot read that cdrom |
| 17:22.09 | valdyn | amorphix: make a new one |
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| 17:22.22 | amorphix | valdyn: ive tried to make 3 cdroms, all the same |
| 17:22.29 | amorphix | valdyn: :-/ |
| 17:22.45 | amorphix | yet, the cd works with another older cdrom drive |
| 17:22.54 | amorphix | in another machine |
| 17:23.37 | amorphix | i can also read this linux cd in this troublesome cd drive from Windows |
| 17:23.39 | valdyn | amorphix: so your drive may be unable to read that disk still, depends on its firmware or if its a type of cd ( rewritable? ), that it cannot read |
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| 17:23.56 | amorphix | its just a standard cdr disk |
| 17:24.21 | valdyn | amorphix: theres no standard cdr disk(s), they are all different ( unless rebranded or something ) |
| 17:24.27 | amorphix | is it possible to boot from floppy and continue installing from cdrom as source? |
| 17:24.32 | amorphix | i could try that next |
| 17:24.41 | amcm | how to use mknod to create a regular file?I have read the manual but I didn't understand it completley |
| 17:24.53 | valdyn | amorphix: yes, but i dont think chances that that works are good , after what you said |
| 17:25.31 | amorphix | :-( |
| 17:25.35 | amorphix | i can try it at least |
| 17:25.36 | valdyn | amorphix: do you have different disk(s) ? |
| 17:25.47 | valdyn | amorphix: i mean, by a different brand at least |
| 17:25.50 | scorphus | thanks! |
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| 17:26.10 | amorphix | i have made all the floppy disks and they all tested ok...now i have 2 copies of the Debian CD on same brand media |
| 17:26.12 | valdyn | !tell amorphix about d-i |
| 17:26.20 | valdyn | ^^ theres floppy images too |
| 17:26.31 | amorphix | ahhh |
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| 17:26.44 | amorphix | this could be the ticket eh |
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| 17:27.15 | ruzbeh | if I apt-get install <fontpackage>, will the font stuff automagically work on webpages and stuff? |
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| 17:27.30 | petropal | #kortex |
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| 17:27.40 | ruzbeh | hi dpkg |
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| 17:27.53 | ruzbeh | !hi |
| 17:27.53 | dpkg | hello, ruzbeh |
| 17:28.03 | valdyn | ruzbeh: yes, more or less, depends on your browser and the type of font |
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| 17:28.34 | ruzbeh | valdyn, well, some japanese characters aren't showing, but some are! I installed xfonts-intl-japanese but no luck |
| 17:28.42 | ruzbeh | I use firefox |
| 17:28.49 | asg | ruzbeh: /msg dpkg font guide |
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| 17:29.42 | k3k0 | what then when i do file movie.iso? where the movie go |
| 17:29.54 | valdyn | k3k0: goes nowhere |
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| 17:31.11 | k3k0 | valdyn: keko@keko:~/movies$ file mummi.ISO |
| 17:31.11 | k3k0 | mummi.ISO: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'mummi |
| 17:31.14 | asuffield | ruzbeh: first off, view -> character encoding and make sure it's picked the right one |
| 17:31.41 | valdyn | k3k0: yep, thats fine, thats what "file" does |
| 17:31.56 | ruzbeh | asuffield, yup, firefox does it right, but only a few are not showing |
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| 17:32.08 | ruzbeh | asuffield, http://www.touch-ds.jp/, can you see all the characters? |
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| 17:32.26 | asuffield | ruzbeh: glyphs probably just aren't in the fonts you've installed so far. install more fonts |
| 17:32.33 | asuffield | yeah, I have all of those |
| 17:32.40 | asuffield | I also have about thirty kanji fonts installed |
| 17:32.46 | loocek | hi all! I'm wondering is there any way for normal user to install software ?? |
| 17:32.56 | ruzbeh | asuffield, holy shit X_X |
| 17:32.58 | valdyn | loocek: sure |
| 17:33.00 | k3k0 | valdyn: how i can qatch it with mplayer |
| 17:33.04 | loocek | how ?? |
| 17:33.07 | asuffield | I just installed them all, it's easier than messing about |
| 17:33.11 | ruzbeh | asuffield, can you name me some package fonts? |
| 17:33.13 | k3k0 | watch |
| 17:33.14 | Nahemoth | any germans here? |
| 17:33.28 | valdyn | k3k0: whats on that iso? |
| 17:33.30 | k3k0 | Nahemoth: no they re in germany :> |
| 17:33.39 | asuffield | ruzbeh: look for packages named xfonts- or ttf-. they're pretty obvious |
| 17:33.44 | valdyn | !de |
| 17:33.44 | k3k0 | valdyn: grand mums birthdays =) |
| 17:33.46 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 17:33.48 | prcko | anyone that knows if exim4 is broken sid, (yes i have checked bugs server but cant find anything there) |
| 17:33.49 | amorphix | what do i enter to continue installation from cdrom after booting with a boot disk? |
| 17:33.56 | Nahemoth | ^^ |
| 17:34.09 | asg | prcko: what symptom are you experiencing? |
| 17:34.09 | valdyn | k3k0: seesh, i want to know what files are on it, not what the movies are showing |
| 17:34.09 | Nahemoth | in need help with an shell script |
| 17:34.11 | Di``` | directhex: r u there? |
| 17:34.16 | asg | Nahemoth: #bash |
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| 17:34.25 | directhex | potentially |
| 17:34.27 | Nahemoth | bash? |
| 17:34.36 | k3k0 | valdyn: i dont know i just get it :( wait i call |
| 17:34.44 | valdyn | k3k0: no, dont bother calling |
| 17:34.45 | prcko | asg: getting lots of garbage when it tried to upgrade and configure it |
| 17:34.45 | loocek | valdyn: :) can you give me some advice ?? |
| 17:34.50 | asg | Nahemoth: or the channel for whatever shell you are using. |
| 17:34.53 | Nahemoth | channel badh? |
| 17:34.59 | loocek | valdyn: about installing... |
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| 17:35.01 | prcko | asg: garbage to console |
| 17:35.01 | Nahemoth | k |
| 17:35.03 | Nahemoth | thx |
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| 17:35.10 | asg | prcko: hmmm, what package version? |
| 17:35.13 | valdyn | k3k0: mount -o loop movie.ISO /mnt/wherever |
| 17:35.26 | valdyn | loocek: installing what exactly? |
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| 17:35.47 | Di``` | directhex: do you know dmraid? not mdraid |
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| 17:35.58 | prcko | asg: 4.50-5 versions pre that has worked great |
| 17:35.59 | NOthsouth | I'm Trying to isntall mysql on linux Debian sarge, I install with apt-get, and looks fine, but i can't connect on 3306 port, something is wrong. |
| 17:36.01 | directhex | Di```, no. |
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| 17:36.07 | NOthsouth | I'v got this msng error: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 17:36.10 | valdyn | loocek: a debian package? |
| 17:36.16 | amorphix | hi what do i enter to continue installation from cdrom after booting with a boot disk? |
| 17:36.20 | loocek | valdyn: what...any software , package or form source .. |
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| 17:36.29 | animall | NOthsouth, did you install mysql-server? |
| 17:36.34 | valdyn | loocek: thats a difference, cant treat them all the same |
| 17:36.36 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.39 | Di``` | directhex: http://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dmraid/readme |
| 17:36.40 | NOthsouth | animall, yes |
| 17:36.46 | prcko | NOthsouth: network is disabled in default install |
| 17:36.47 | asg | prcko: I had no issue with that package this morning when I upgraded |
| 17:36.56 | k3k0 | valdyn: dvd |
| 17:37.03 | animall | hrm, check and see if you can manually restart it, /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 17:37.09 | NOthsouth | prcko, how did I fix that? |
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| 17:37.12 | amcm | sorry for asking again but how to use mknod to create a regular file... for eg a txt fil? thnks in advance |
| 17:37.33 | valdyn | k3k0: ok, great, as root run: "losetup /dev/loop0 movie.iso" |
| 17:37.36 | amorphix | Even if you cannot boot from CD-ROM, you can probably install the Debian system components and any packages you want from CD-ROM. Simply boot using a different media, such as floppies. When it's time to install the operating system, base system, and any additional packages, point the installation system at the CD-ROM drive. -- how? |
| 17:37.43 | prcko | NOthsouth: u enable it in config file |
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| 17:37.52 | prcko | NOthsouth: and restart server |
| 17:37.52 | Di``` | directhex: let me know what you think |
| 17:37.55 | valdyn | k3k0: that is, unless you already mounted it ( mounting "works", but is not required ) |
| 17:37.59 | NOthsouth | hum |
| 17:38.13 | prcko | asg: strange looks like some kinda debug info to me |
| 17:38.22 | NOthsouth | what exacly shoul I change |
| 17:38.24 | NOthsouth | ? |
| 17:38.25 | animall | NOthsouth, are you doing a connection from another system? |
| 17:38.31 | amorphix | nuffin works |
| 17:39.04 | amorphix | Im trying to install Debian on laptop but everytime it starts to setup networking and trying to do a net install/download base |
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| 17:39.41 | animall | NOthsouth, bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:39.49 | animall | change it to bind-address = * |
| 17:39.51 | amorphix | i just wanna install from cdrom eh |
| 17:39.58 | loocek | valdyn: doesn't matter how (from package or source) , I want to install just... |
| 17:39.59 | valdyn | loocek: i cant install doom3 into ~/doom3 without any additional work, thats not the same for everything though |
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| 17:40.04 | animall | if you want it enabled on your ip address and loopback |
| 17:40.11 | prcko | NOthsouth: read in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 17:40.13 | valdyn | loocek: err, i mean, I CAN |
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| 17:40.53 | asg | prcko: does it do the same with pacakges from a different mirror? do the debsums on the deb match? |
| 17:41.18 | k3k0 | valdyn: i now made that |
| 17:41.22 | valdyn | loocek: some other software *may* need an LD_LIBRARY_PATH set, its not all the same |
| 17:41.32 | prcko | asg: need to check that havnt done it |
| 17:41.37 | valdyn | k3k0: great, give me the output of "losetup /dev/loop0" |
| 17:41.56 | k3k0 | valdyn: as root or user |
| 17:42.01 | valdyn | k3k0: root |
| 17:42.07 | loocek | valdyn: I want install netkit-rwho |
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| 17:42.49 | johnga1t | do i need to have xwindows installed on a server if i just want to run graphical packages on it remotely (over ssh from a client)? |
| 17:42.54 | glev | #xchat |
| 17:42.54 | k3k0 | keko:/home/keko/movies# losetup /dev/loop0 |
| 17:42.54 | k3k0 | /dev/loop0: [0306]:635404 (mummi.ISO) |
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| 17:43.09 | prcko | asg: how is that with debsums done , never tried it before |
| 17:44.10 | valdyn | k3k0: fine, now look at the permissions of /dev/loop0. You will notice you cannot view this as user, so run mplayer as root like: mplayer -dvd-device /dev/loop0 dvd:// |
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| 17:44.41 | amcm | How to create a file with mknod?can u tell me a channel where I can talk about fs? |
| 17:44.44 | valdyn | k3k0: or "fix" /dev/loop0 permissions, but dont forget to restore them later |
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| 17:45.38 | amorphix | once you get to the root floppy stage of an installation if you dont specify alternative media source, does it automatically assume its a net installation? |
| 17:45.43 | valdyn | loocek: in what form does you have netkit-rwho |
| 17:45.49 | kaiowa | when i tried to make a glade proyect i get this error:not found aclocal-include.m4, anyhelp plz? |
| 17:45.58 | valdyn | loocek: the source? |
| 17:46.13 | prcko | asg: says package isnt installed |
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| 17:46.25 | loocek | valdyn: I can have source and package |
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| 17:46.46 | johnga1t | i want to run firefox from a server which doesn't have x installed (on a client which does have x installed). is this possible? |
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| 17:47.09 | amorphix | could use some help |
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| 17:47.47 | valdyn | loocek: for the source, try ./configure --help, look for --prefix. For the debian package, dpkg -x it to somewhere and run the binary |
| 17:48.09 | miks | if I want to create a user that will be able to maintain the primary website and sql database on a debian server what is the best way of doing this? |
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| 17:48.36 | nagual | anyone know if there is a linuxdriver for http://www.sweex.com/product.asp?pid=83 and what its called? |
| 17:48.39 | gberardi_ | johnga1t: You'll need something send the X data, so X has to be "installed" although you don't need it to display on the server. |
| 17:48.44 | nagual | miks: read up on sudo |
| 17:48.50 | miks | nagual, thank you. |
| 17:48.59 | valdyn | loocek: if that package comes with dynamic linked libararies then you need additional steps to run it, but i wouldnt think so |
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| 17:49.36 | Kiowas | hello |
| 17:50.00 | miks | nag, yeah that's exactly what I was looking for, thanks I really appreciate it. |
| 17:50.05 | Kiowas | does anyone know why 'aptitude dist-upgrade' would want to remove kde? |
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| 17:50.09 | Xandalf | hi |
| 17:50.21 | valdyn | Kiowas: on sid? |
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| 17:50.26 | Xandalf | I m trying to configure an ati radeon x600 but I can not |
| 17:50.28 | Kiowas | valdyn yeah |
| 17:50.41 | amorphix | what can make a cd fail in one cdrom drive and fail integrity check and then work and install perfectly fine in another drive? |
| 17:50.53 | Xandalf | dont know what to add to the kernel |
| 17:50.57 | valdyn | Kiowas: what exactly is it trying to remove, just the package "kde" ? |
| 17:51.00 | Xandalf | I have been trying for long |
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| 17:51.32 | Kiowas | valdyn kde and kdeaddons |
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| 17:51.59 | green_earz | amorphix: do both cd drive ok the integrity ? |
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| 17:52.17 | valdyn | Kiowas: kde depends on kdeaddons, which in turn depends on something that is appearantly not installable at the moment, that happens in sid, dont worry about it |
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| 17:52.55 | valdyn | !info kdeaddons |
| 17:52.55 | green_earz | amorphix: if one dose and the other dose not its the cd drive thats the problem |
| 17:52.58 | dpkg | kdeaddons: (add-on plugins and applets provided with KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 17:53.01 | amorphix | im finding this highly confusing |
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| 17:53.08 | quim3r4 | hi |
| 17:53.10 | dli | looks like I cleaned up a zk rootkit |
| 17:53.15 | amorphix | green_earz: one does not and the other does |
| 17:53.21 | valdyn | Kiowas: both are only metapackages, you shouldnt loose anything |
| 17:53.47 | amorphix | 2 days and countless cd media wasted thanks to that drive |
| 17:53.55 | Kiowas | valdyn so, what is it it really wants to remove? |
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| 17:54.14 | synic | swetesoc:/lib/modules# quotaon -av |
| 17:54.14 | synic | quotaon: using //aquota.user on /dev/md2 [/]: Device or resource busy |
| 17:54.17 | synic | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 17:54.26 | valdyn | Kiowas: the metapackages, kdeaddons probably depends on something entirely new, that is either not in sid, or not installable |
| 17:54.28 | blackout | i just upgraded to the new xscreensaver - it now has a public login button. When you click it however, the old session seems to be saved - what does the saving? how exactly do you save a session? spawn another gdm? |
| 17:54.35 | blackout | and can anything else do that? |
| 17:54.37 | omnistegan | ok guys, I don't have gdm installed so users just log in through a console, I need to make a message appear right before the login screen and one right after a specific user logs in, how can i do this? |
| 17:54.50 | quim3r4 | i have a problem installing sarge at HP BRIO ba600, it's a problem of hardware patented? I installed normally de base system and rebooting after appears BOOT DISK FAILEURE |
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| 17:54.54 | blackout | for instance, can i choose to suspend my session, let someone else login, and come back to it later? |
| 17:54.59 | Kiowas | valdyn what is a metapackage |
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| 17:55.17 | valdyn | Kiowas: a package that contains no software but only dependencies |
| 17:55.21 | deadline | ,nvidia |
| 17:55.28 | green_earz | amorphix: it be the drive then, the media is checking out ok with the integrity check, the drive thats not ok the integrity check would i think be the problem, not the media |
| 17:55.34 | deadline | what the bot command prefix? |
| 17:55.36 | amorphix | woah my system is installing! |
| 17:55.39 | deadline | whats* |
| 17:55.48 | greycat | deadline: ! for dpkg |
| 17:55.50 | Gujiz | Can anybody paste to me (private) that important part of lilo.conf to be changed updating kernel |
| 17:55.53 | asg | deadline: depends on the bot |
| 17:55.56 | amorphix | green_earz: I have debian on my laptop nearly *fingers crossed* |
| 17:55.57 | deadline | !nvidia |
| 17:55.58 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 17:56.02 | deadline | got it thx |
| 17:56.35 | valdyn | Kiowas: basically "kde" saves your from typing apt-get install <huge list of packages> to install kde |
| 17:56.37 | green_earz | amorphix: and you like alllll the freeeee software |
| 17:56.44 | dli | anyway to let apt-get to install all system packages |
| 17:56.45 | quim3r4 | i have a problem installing sarge at HP BRIO ba600, it's a problem of hardware patented? I installed normally de base system and rebooting appears BOOT DISK FAILURE |
| 17:57.05 | deadline | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 17:57.15 | Kiowas | valdyn ok. I guess I dont see why apt-get install kde works but removing kde doesnt really remove it |
| 17:57.19 | greycat | quim3r4: what kind of disk controller? |
| 17:57.21 | deadline | how can i ask the dpkg bot about a specific thing? |
| 17:57.22 | quim3r4 | with live cd the kernel boot normally and it's funcionally |
| 17:57.24 | greycat | deadline: only one hyphen |
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| 17:57.45 | elirips | hello people. I need to install a linux on a p2-266Mhz, with only 96MB of RAM. It's my parent's pc, they're used to outlook, is there any mailclient that works on that slow machine and looks like outlook? kmail would be nice, but i guess that wont work on such an old machine.. any ideas? |
| 17:57.51 | valdyn | !metapackage |
| 17:57.52 | dpkg | it has been said that metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
| 17:57.55 | directhex | Kiowas, if you want that behaviour, use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 17:57.56 | amorphix | green_earz: yeaaah :) |
| 17:58.13 | cbr | elirips: what about evolution? too resource-hungry? |
| 17:58.29 | Kiowas | directhex it is aptitude that wanted to remove kde |
| 17:58.37 | green_earz | amorphix: are you into bittorents ? |
| 17:58.39 | deadline | greycat: how do you mean |
| 17:58.47 | amorphix | green_earz: i dunno how will this laptop will perform with X, its only a P166mmx with 80mg ram and 4gb hdd |
| 17:59.00 | amorphix | green_earz: i will be once i get this laptop running :P |
| 17:59.07 | quim3r4 | greycat: what's? the disk controller? |
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| 17:59.24 | amorphix | 35% base system installed |
| 17:59.28 | greycat | deadline: !nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:59.32 | greycat | not !nvidia-one-liner |
| 17:59.41 | deadline | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:59.41 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 17:59.42 | quim3r4 | the hd it's seagate of 6.4 gb |
| 17:59.45 | deadline | greycat: thanks |
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| 17:59.55 | dli | greycat: I cleaned it up :) |
| 18:00.18 | quim3r4 | booting a live cd and mounting hda1 appears / correctly |
| 18:00.25 | greycat | quim3r4: with what kernel? |
| 18:00.30 | elirips | cbr: i don't know if it runs... it mustn't be very fast, it should just look like outlook.. my parents are a little bit old.. |
| 18:00.32 | Kiowas | whats wrong with the nvidia installer provided by nvidia? It worked fine for me |
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| 18:00.38 | quim3r4 | maybe 2.6 |
| 18:00.49 | greycat | quim3r4: did you install debian with 2.6, or with 2.4? |
| 18:00.56 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.57 | cbr | how do i save my alsamixer states with debian? |
| 18:00.58 | quim3r4 | but proving woody with 2.4 it's the same problem |
| 18:01.10 | cbr | alsactl store? |
| 18:01.12 | elirips | or is there any way to install kmail without the rest of kde? |
| 18:01.15 | amorphix | green_earz: its on my list, once i get dongle and network connectivity tomorrow ;) |
| 18:01.15 | greycat | quim3r4: try sarge with the 2.6 kernel, this time, then. |
| 18:01.15 | cahoot | cbr: alsactl store |
| 18:01.19 | nvz | cbr: yeah thats suppose to do it |
| 18:01.26 | cbr | ok |
| 18:01.37 | cbr | i thought maybe there's some "Debian Way (tm)" for it too |
| 18:01.40 | nvz | I use aumix and OSS emulation to do it |
| 18:01.43 | green_earz | amorphix: all the best |
| 18:01.46 | amorphix | thanks |
| 18:01.52 | quim3r4 | i think that the problem it isn't the kernel |
| 18:02.35 | quim3r4 | greycat:i think that the problem it isn't the kernel |
| 18:02.36 | cahoot | cbr: the alsa script in /etc/init.d should do it |
| 18:02.51 | greycat | quim3r4: then where do you think it is? |
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| 18:03.28 | quim3r4 | graycat: the motherboard or hardware patents |
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| 18:03.31 | amorphix | is there be a choice of desktops on the 1st Debian Sarge CD? |
| 18:03.35 | deadline | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:03.36 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
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| 18:03.42 | amorphix | *is there a choice of desktops on the 1st Debian Sarge CD? |
| 18:03.46 | cahoot | cbr: IIRC the setting is in /etc/default/alsa |
| 18:03.47 | quim3r4 | or that the pc is a workstation |
| 18:03.49 | greycat | amorphix: of course |
| 18:03.53 | amorphix | cool |
| 18:03.54 | directhex | amorphix, i think there's kde and gnome on there. and twm. |
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| 18:03.59 | quim3r4 | greycat:or that the pc is a workstation |
| 18:04.01 | streuner | amorphix: hell, of course |
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| 18:04.04 | amorphix | those are too heavy |
| 18:04.08 | amorphix | i need something lighter |
| 18:04.10 | nvz | amorphix: of course there are choices. though you would not be able to install any full DE with only one cd |
| 18:04.12 | miks | hm |
| 18:04.19 | amorphix | :-( |
| 18:04.21 | amorphix | that sux |
| 18:04.21 | streuner | amorphix: any idea how many WM's are in debian? |
| 18:04.27 | amorphix | i have no CDs left and no network |
| 18:04.36 | Gujiz | is kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 newest kernel to Celeron processors ? |
| 18:04.38 | amorphix | streuner i have no clue |
| 18:04.43 | amorphix | a dozen? |
| 18:04.47 | quim3r4 | greycat: it's a little misterious |
| 18:04.50 | cbr | thanks cahoot, it was set to never |
| 18:04.50 | resiak | Gujiz: On Sarge or Woody? |
| 18:04.50 | directhex | Gujiz, assuming you run woody, yes. |
| 18:05.09 | Tweak`TG-Owner | arg, what is apic? and why would disabling it in bios kill the board to where I cant even reset the bios? |
| 18:05.14 | amorphix | maybe half a dozen WMs |
| 18:05.18 | greycat | quim3r4: the kernel's job is to recognize the disk controller and the probe it for disks. |
| 18:05.22 | resiak | amorphix: At least 20 |
| 18:05.25 | amorphix | phew |
| 18:05.27 | directhex | amorphix, debian has at least 20 wms |
| 18:05.32 | quim3r4 | greycat: probably a jumper of the motherboard, in the bios dont't stay the solution |
| 18:05.33 | greycat | quim3r4: if that is not occurring, it's either a hardware failure, or a kernel that doesn't support that disk controller. |
| 18:05.41 | amorphix | how do you know which is best for your requirements? |
| 18:05.41 | nvz | Tweak`TG-Owner: apic would be your Advanced Programmable Inturrupt Controller |
| 18:05.49 | amorphix | is there a WM comparison site? |
| 18:05.49 | resiak | amorphix: You try them, of course. |
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| 18:05.52 | elirips | and some other question: i need to install woody on a pc without network, floppy or cdrom. can i just put the harddisk into another computer, install woody from this computer and then put it back in the other one? or will that result in some crap? |
| 18:05.52 | bbrazil | amorphix: I just sat down one day and tried them all |
| 18:05.53 | Tweak`TG-Owner | nvz why would disabling it kill the motherboard? |
| 18:05.56 | directhex | amorphix, you suck 'em and see, usually, then become a raving fanboy for your favourite |
| 18:06.00 | amorphix | that could take days/weeks! |
| 18:06.06 | amorphix | lol |
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| 18:06.08 | streuner | bbrazil: :-) |
| 18:06.13 | bbrazil | amorphix: about 4 hours |
| 18:06.16 | nvz | Tweak`TG-Owner: probably not, it would work in legacy x86 mode and have 16 inturrupts |
| 18:06.26 | amorphix | what was your conclusion bbrazil? did you make a webpage? |
| 18:06.28 | quim3r4 | greycat: ok i will probe the instalation with 2.6 or stable superiors |
| 18:06.33 | Tweak`TG-Owner | nvz :0( well its dead that sucks |
| 18:06.40 | blex | hi. what's (Perl): print <<HTML; blah blah HTML in Python? |
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| 18:06.55 | nvz | what sucks, is this winxp beeping at me when people say stuff to me |
| 18:06.58 | greycat | blex: wouldn't #python know? |
| 18:07.00 | nvz | its getting on my nerves |
| 18:07.03 | bbrazil | amorphix: blackbox (with 2 xterms on one workspace and firefox on another) - I'm a very CLI guy |
| 18:07.06 | blex | greycat: nope |
| 18:07.17 | greycat | blex: it's called a "here document" in bourne shell... |
| 18:07.31 | quim3r4 | greycat: thanks for your comments |
| 18:07.31 | blex | greycat: i'll google for it. thanks |
| 18:07.33 | amorphix | bbrazil whats your hardware setup? |
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| 18:07.52 | miks | how can I find out what PID something is using so I can switch to it or kill it? |
| 18:07.54 | Tweak`TG-Owner | nvz ? it sucks that my board is dead now that I disabled it in bios. |
| 18:07.59 | greycat | miks: pgrep |
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| 18:08.09 | greycat | not sure what you think "switch to it" means, though. |
| 18:08.12 | Tweak`TG-Owner | nvs I wont even reset the bios. |
| 18:08.17 | jeffrin | hello |
| 18:08.21 | jeffrin | iam back |
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| 18:08.41 | nvz | Tweak`TG-Owner: what makes you think the board is dead |
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| 18:09.03 | green_earz | amorphix: have a read of the link for your desktop setup > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9973&page=1 |
| 18:09.13 | amorphix | i have all the Toshiba laptop userguides and technical manuals if anyone needs any |
| 18:09.24 | amorphix | green_earz: thanks :) |
| 18:09.26 | Tweak`TG-Owner | nvz it wont boot, at all make any noises fins spin but nothing, no onboard video, no pci video nothing. |
| 18:09.30 | green_earz | np |
| 18:09.47 | directhex | Tweak`TG-Owner, you reset the cmos yet? |
| 18:09.51 | Tweak`TG-Owner | nvz I took the bios battery out for 20 mins to make sure bios was clear, still didnt work |
| 18:09.59 | Tweak`TG-Owner | directhex yes I said that already. |
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| 18:10.27 | bbrazil | amorphix: blackbox == minimalist |
| 18:10.31 | nvz | Tweak`TG-Owner: unplug everything take out any removable cards, then see if it comes on |
| 18:10.32 | amorphix | aha |
| 18:10.32 | directhex | Tweak`TG-Owner, take the motherboard out of its case. |
| 18:10.41 | directhex | bbrazil, evilwm for minimalism |
| 18:10.56 | loocek | valdyn: sorry, I'm now, how can I install netkit-rwho from package ?? |
| 18:11.15 | greycat | rwho?!? |
| 18:11.16 | Tweak`TG-Owner | directhex it did work like 5 mins ago, but I disabled apic in bios and it died. |
| 18:11.33 | nvz | vagueness makes the baby jesus cry |
| 18:11.34 | greycat | please tell me that's a joke, and that nobody is actually *using* rwhod on any of their networks. |
| 18:12.00 | nvz | just take it down to nothing hooked externally or internalyl, but power, and a monitor, maybe a keyboard, and turn the fucker on |
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| 18:12.07 | nvz | remove power from all other devices |
| 18:12.08 | bbrazil | amorphix: hence my HW setup is irrelavent |
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| 18:14.48 | valdyn | loocek: dpkg -x |
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| 18:15.52 | nvz | not to mention, take all the rams out and reinsert them |
| 18:15.54 | Tweak`TG-Owner | nvz dead still |
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| 18:16.21 | loocek | valdyn: but dpkg -x only extract package... |
| 18:16.37 | nvz | Tweak`TG-Owner: first thing that board wants to do if power is good, and there arent any loose grounds, is to shadow its bios(es) code to ram |
| 18:16.53 | nvz | Tweak`TG-Owner: so take the ram out, put it back in firmly, make sure they are seated properly |
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| 18:16.57 | bbrazil | loocek: dpkg -i ? |
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| 18:17.02 | greycat | loocek: man dpkg |
| 18:17.03 | luciano | Hi, everyone! |
| 18:17.06 | greycat | loocek: man apt-get |
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| 18:17.52 | loocek | God, but I must install it as normal user ... |
| 18:17.57 | valdyn | loocek: thats what you can do as a user, you cannot use dpkg to "install" a deb file as a user |
| 18:18.11 | petitefonc | salut tout le monde ..... hi everybody ..... |
| 18:18.16 | nvz | fooling around in a pc can cause strange problems sometimes. you usally have to break it down and start rebuilding it one piece at a time until you figure out the problem |
| 18:18.19 | petitefonc | french people ?? |
| 18:18.21 | greycat | loocek: you cannot. |
| 18:18.28 | travisat | !fr |
| 18:18.28 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 18:18.35 | greycat | only root can modify dpkg's databases |
| 18:18.55 | loocek | cannot install by dpkg with --prefix ?? |
| 18:19.04 | greycat | and god only fucking KNOWS what sort of "normal user" would dream of playing around with rwho. |
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| 18:19.17 | valdyn | loocek: i suggest you think about what the purpose of this should be. |
| 18:19.28 | valdyn | loocek: rwhod sure cannot be run as a user either |
| 18:19.40 | petitefonc | dpkg thanks! |
| 18:19.40 | dpkg | petitefonc: no problem |
| 18:19.51 | loocek | valdyn: and rwho client ?? |
| 18:20.04 | Vince34 | petitefonc, je suis français...(o: |
| 18:20.04 | greycat | kind of useless without an rwhod to talk with |
| 18:20.06 | loocek | valdyn : I want run client only... |
| 18:20.15 | valdyn | loocek: you can run it |
| 18:20.20 | greycat | loocek: so build the sources |
| 18:20.49 | luciano | I work in Information Security, and I appreciete a way to check the integrit of certains files in a compromised machine. I note that the .deb system have the md5 of the importat binaries (control.tar.gz -> md5sums file). |
| 18:20.53 | valdyn | loocek: dpkg -x the package, then running the rwho client should work |
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| 18:21.49 | bbrazil | loocek: debsums, but you really want something like tripwire |
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| 18:22.03 | bbrazil | luciano: ^ |
| 18:22.16 | loocek | then...all that's left to me is install netkit-rwho from source ?? |
| 18:22.31 | gnulu | greetings, i'm having trouble putting multiple ip's on my network card, multihomed is on, and i'm pretty sure my settings in /etc/networking/interfaces are correct |
| 18:22.32 | greycat | loocek: if you aren't root, that's all you EVER had as a choice. |
| 18:22.35 | Tweak`TG-Owner | nvm yeah its dead |
| 18:22.44 | Tweak`TG-Owner | I guess I get what I pay for. |
| 18:23.14 | luciano | bbrazil, I need a way, without any prevenction, to check integrity of the, for example, all binaries |
| 18:23.17 | SexyKen | Anyone want to takea guess at how much this would cost: |
| 18:23.17 | SexyKen | http://www.real-storage.com/jmr-i-blade.html |
| 18:23.32 | nvz | pricewatch.com |
| 18:23.46 | asg | SexyKen: call their toll free number and ask them? |
| 18:23.50 | nvz | ebay.com |
| 18:23.51 | loocek | greycat: ok, thx |
| 18:24.08 | nvz | get-a-brain-delivered.com |
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| 18:24.17 | Gujiz | is kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 newest kernel to Celeron processors ? (Sarge) |
| 18:24.31 | directhex | Gujiz, yes |
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| 18:24.40 | bbrazil | luciano: yes, debsums but if you're rooted you should reinstall |
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| 18:25.25 | luciano | bbrazil, debsums work with a remote md5 DB? |
| 18:25.47 | bbrazil | luciano: no, with values from the .deb IIRC |
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| 18:26.28 | gnulu | i know this is an incredibly newbie question, i'd be much indebted if someone could proof read my /etc/network/interface file |
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| 18:27.01 | valdyn | !tell gnulu about paste |
| 18:27.21 | luciano | bbrazil, but i can't trust on these... the machine was compromised |
| 18:27.57 | sirex | anyonw know why apm --suspend on a T22 via the keyhot or command line causes gfx corruption. although apparently the laptop goes into suspend mode and out again, the machine is unresponsive afterwards and the screen is garbled just as it goes into suspend. |
| 18:28.08 | sirex | kernel 2.6.10 Xfree 4.3.0.1 |
| 18:28.18 | sirex | thats a thinkpad T22 btw |
| 18:28.20 | valdyn | !tell sirex about laptops |
| 18:28.37 | gnulu | ok, i pasted in #flood |
| 18:28.39 | gnulu | thankyou valdyn |
| 18:28.40 | bbrazil | luciano: precisely, grab your data and reinstall the lot. you could alwyas hack something up to compare against another system but if they got to the kernel thats pointless |
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| 18:28.56 | sirex | valdyn, k 1 min |
| 18:29.01 | mlz | #flood |
| 18:29.24 | luciano | bbrazil, it a producion system |
| 18:29.28 | nvz | C-x C-c ? |
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| 18:29.37 | valdyn | gnulu: networkmask does not exist i think, should be netmask |
| 18:29.45 | gnulu | aah |
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| 18:30.01 | luciano | bbrazil, and I don't know if the attack affect the base instalation |
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| 18:30.31 | genix | valdyn: How can I replace LATEST-IS-* with linux- so I can download the latest kernel with wget? |
| 18:30.43 | valdyn | gnulu: im not familiar with eth0:0, is that to have multiple IP on one interface? |
| 18:30.49 | amorphix | how do i restart the package installer program that is shown during Debian installation, after installation is completed? |
| 18:30.52 | gnulu | thankyou |
| 18:30.55 | gnulu | yes, multihome |
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| 18:31.04 | valdyn | genix: man sed |
| 18:31.28 | gnulu | i believe that is the way to host multiple ip's and in the future services and domains |
| 18:31.29 | amorphix | dselect? |
| 18:31.31 | genix | valdyn: oh, sorry =) thats easy, I know how... =) |
| 18:31.33 | gnulu | for me anway |
| 18:32.00 | loadd77 | hey i try to copy data from alice to bob over the network with netcat. Is there a possibility that i can tell to netcat in which directory it should write the data to bob when i copy it from alice?? |
| 18:32.07 | gnulu | IT worked!!, thanks valdyn.. confirmation error is a bad thing and a second pair of eyes always helps. |
| 18:32.27 | nvz | loadd77: why not use SSH, ffs |
| 18:32.29 | valdyn | gnulu: secondly, 192.168.1.1 is not your network, try 192.168.1.0 |
| 18:32.31 | cbr | why doesnt beep-media-player under debian support winamp skins? |
| 18:32.38 | greycat | loadd77: netcat doesn't open files. |
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| 18:32.48 | knubbze | how can I take a screenshot? I'm in Xfce4 At the moment |
| 18:32.50 | greycat | loadd77: use scp or even ftp |
| 18:32.55 | FieldySnuts | I'm lookin for a good server grade gigabit NIC, 64-bit, for a 2.6 kernel. Any reccomendations? looking for people who use what they reccommend. |
| 18:32.59 | asg | knubbze: /msg dpkg screenshot |
| 18:32.59 | greycat | loadd77: or NFS mount their respective directories and use cp |
| 18:33.00 | gnulu | hmm, strange it worked? |
| 18:33.18 | FieldySnuts | s/cc/ |
| 18:33.23 | FieldySnuts | er... beh nevermind |
| 18:33.29 | loadd77 | i found a howto on the net which tells me how to clone a disk over network with netcat an tar ;-) |
| 18:33.38 | gnulu | the command to see network specifics in linux is ifconfig -a? but it doesn't show me as much as ipconfig /all in dos. |
| 18:33.48 | bbrazil | luciano: it boils down to how sure you are that you know how far they got. If you want to go down this route first reboot with a knoppix cd and then hack up a script to get sums from another debian system - I think just the plain md5 command enough functionality |
| 18:33.54 | ere | anyone experienced with dia? I want to create new shapes but everything I try fail somehow, when i specify in svg that a rectangle is supposed to be 10 (something?) high and wide, I get a rectangle a lot higher than it is wide! |
| 18:34.22 | nvz | loadd77: when you find out who wrote it, do them a favor, and kill them before they write another how to |
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| 18:35.06 | greycat | gnulu: ifconfig -a; netstat -rn; cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:35.17 | greycat | and DOS does not have ipconfig. that's NT. |
| 18:35.23 | loadd77 | ok ;-) so my question was is there a way to redirect the stdin to the directory which i want the files in? |
| 18:35.24 | bobo | jhzhoedz |
| 18:35.27 | greycat | DOS doesn't even have a NETWORK. |
| 18:35.34 | bobo | #linuxfr |
| 18:35.42 | greycat | loadd77: netcat blah blah > /path/to/the/file |
| 18:35.44 | greycat | loadd77: duh. |
| 18:35.46 | gnulu | sorry, i'm thinking of the cmd command at run, etc. |
| 18:35.57 | jetscreamer | dos has net |
| 18:35.59 | jetscreamer | net start blah |
| 18:36.04 | valdyn | no! |
| 18:36.05 | caphuso | jetscreamer: that's not dos |
| 18:36.16 | jetscreamer | yes it is |
| 18:36.21 | caphuso | jetscreamer: bullshit |
| 18:36.22 | greycat | that's novell |
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| 18:36.27 | sepski | loadd77, you have to use netcat ? dd and ssh should do what you want if you need to clone a partition i guess |
| 18:36.48 | stew | novell or windows, not dos |
| 18:36.55 | bbrazil | loadd77: cd dir && nc | tar x |
| 18:36.55 | jetscreamer | caphuso: have i ever typed anything i'm not sure about w/o a qualifier, like maybe or i'm not sure? |
| 18:36.56 | greycat | sepski: if he doesn't even know how to use > in /bin/sh, it's a fair bet that whatever he's actually doing is already way beyond his grasp |
| 18:36.58 | loadd77 | greycat, i tread that like nc -l 6060 | tar zxvPp > /dev/hda2 but it i get en error that its a directory ;-( |
| 18:37.05 | Tweak`TG-Owner | does anybody know if I have to pay shipping for RMAing a motherboard? |
| 18:37.06 | greycat | loadd77: jesus. |
| 18:37.10 | stew | woha |
| 18:37.14 | gnulu | thanks again gurus of the gnu |
| 18:37.14 | greycat | When does the pain stop? |
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| 18:37.20 | caphuso | jetscreamer: i don't really care. but you're dead wrong on that one |
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| 18:37.35 | jetscreamer | no i'm not, but whatever |
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| 18:37.46 | caphuso | jetscreamer: the net command came with windows |
| 18:37.54 | luciano | bbrazil, ok.. any other solution... more 'automatic'? |
| 18:38.03 | cbr | why doesnt beep-media-player under debian support winamp skins? |
| 18:38.04 | bbrazil | luciano: as in? |
| 18:38.06 | gnulu | peace, bros were all gnu here |
| 18:38.16 | greycat | some of us are cats |
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| 18:38.23 | gnulu | lol |
| 18:38.39 | bbrazil | gnulu: I just a nut |
| 18:38.44 | nvz | apt, person? |
| 18:38.45 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, person is like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
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| 18:38.54 | xam | nvz: no, you are number 6 |
| 18:39.07 | valdyn | cbr: why do you think it didnt support winamp skins, while it does support winamp skins? |
| 18:39.09 | bbrazil | gnulu: whats the command on the sender? |
| 18:39.11 | sepski | greycat, i think you can talk to him :) |
| 18:39.24 | nvz | "number 6" ? |
| 18:39.31 | cbr | valdyn: i put the skins in ~/.bmp/Skins |
| 18:39.32 | xam | nvz: I am number 2 |
| 18:39.33 | gnulu | command on the sender? i do not understand |
| 18:39.34 | cbr | but they dont show up |
| 18:39.36 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/search?q=dos+6.22+net.exe |
| 18:39.41 | cbr | and when i change the line in config, it fails |
| 18:39.46 | luciano | bbrazil, i can reboot the system... its critical. |
| 18:39.49 | cbr | so that makes me curious |
| 18:39.49 | xam | nvz: google for 'the prisoner' |
| 18:39.57 | jetscreamer | i am not a number |
| 18:40.08 | jetscreamer | you are #2 though :) |
| 18:40.21 | asg | i am a free man ... mwhwhahahaha |
| 18:40.25 | xam | jetscreamer: " I'm a free man! " ... yes, we know |
| 18:40.30 | bbrazil | luciano: just do the above without rebooting, but you run the risk of them having gotten into the kernel and modifying the data so it seems its safe |
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| 18:41.07 | jetscreamer | "do's himz need go #2"? |
| 18:41.25 | xam | asg: glad to see someone who actually remembers the show |
| 18:41.31 | luciano | bbrazil, And I must copy the md5 DB manualy from other system? |
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| 18:41.38 | nvz | this makes less sense to me the more you talk |
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| 18:41.49 | asg | xam: I do though I was thinking of the Iron Maiden song of the same name (with the same show intro quote) |
| 18:41.54 | valdyn | jetscreamer: that is not from dos, that is additional software that can run on dos |
| 18:42.30 | bbrazil | luciano: there's a pile of ways to do it. essentially create a md5sums file on each and compare |
| 18:42.31 | jetscreamer | goddammit i don't know where my dos 6.22 5.25 floppies are so i can't reinstall |
| 18:42.36 | FieldySnuts | I'm lookin for a good server grade gigabit NIC, 64-bit, for a 2.6 kernel. Any reccomendations? looking for people who use what they reccommend. |
| 18:42.36 | xam | asg: yes, the song is called 'the prisoner', after the series ;) |
| 18:42.44 | asg | xam: yep |
| 18:42.50 | nvz | of course my mind is on a one way track today, and my train of thought hasn't arrived yet |
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| 18:43.42 | sepski | if i compile a kernel module with a different gcc then what compiled the kernel , then it wont load or work in the kernel, is this correct ? |
| 18:44.00 | nvz | doesnt sound good |
| 18:44.17 | valdyn | sepski: not necessarily, but just dont do it |
| 18:44.47 | jetscreamer | jesus http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/msdos/01_intro.mspx |
| 18:44.55 | streuner | sepski: i would say no, imagine everyone have to use the same compiler like the on who compiled the kernel (kernel-image) |
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| 18:45.02 | sepski | im trying to install the vmware kernel modules into a sarge guest os, but the vmware installer say that the gcc in sarge is not supported |
| 18:45.09 | streuner | s/on/one/ |
| 18:45.11 | luciano | bbrazil, sorry .. i have a limited english.. for example? |
| 18:45.26 | sepski | and google isnt helping me today.. :/ |
| 18:45.33 | crashbg | this is my question: i have to move all mp3 and wma files from my music subdirectory to another directory; can anyone help me with the command please? |
| 18:45.44 | jetscreamer | cp -a |
| 18:45.56 | jetscreamer | mv |
| 18:46.01 | sepski | streuner, well this is from gcc2 to gcc3 .. not a minor number |
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| 18:46.13 | jetscreamer | either/or |
| 18:46.23 | nvz | crashbg: mv Music/*.[wma,mp3] /another/directory |
| 18:46.33 | jetscreamer | oooo |
| 18:46.37 | nvz | ... to read and answer your question |
| 18:46.38 | jetscreamer | !nvz++ |
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| 18:47.03 | Gumby | sepski: just choose to continue. I was given the opttion to and vmware works fine |
| 18:47.04 | jetscreamer | hey does that work at the same time? the extension in the brackets? |
| 18:47.05 | streuner | Does dpkg even support karma anymore? |
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| 18:47.13 | jetscreamer | or is it do it twice |
| 18:47.17 | nvz | dpkg karma nvz |
| 18:47.17 | dpkg | nvz has karma of 7 |
| 18:47.25 | crashbg | nvz, there are subdirs! |
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| 18:47.32 | leOn | i'm trying to install mailman from backports in a woody system and i'm getting some nasty errors while doing it |
| 18:47.39 | jetscreamer | cp -a then delete when it's copied |
| 18:47.49 | leOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.49 | leOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.54 | leOn | etc etc etc |
| 18:47.55 | nvz | crashbg: the cd into the toplevel, and mv -R *.[wma,mp3].. blah |
| 18:47.58 | streuner | dpkg, karma streuner |
| 18:47.59 | dpkg | streuner has neutral karma |
| 18:47.59 | Gumby | crackhead: -r for recursive |
| 18:48.13 | leOn | any ideas on what might be causing this ? |
| 18:48.14 | nvz | is it -r? and not -R? |
| 18:48.15 | crashbg | nvz, thanks, will try it :) |
| 18:48.20 | bbrazil | luciano: md5sum /bin/* > file |
| 18:48.21 | nvz | I dont have the manpages, I am on wintendo |
| 18:48.31 | jetscreamer | google for man |
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| 18:48.40 | sepski | Gumby, yes i know but it's more efficient when you dont have to swap out it's memmory all the time |
| 18:48.42 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 18:48.45 | deadline | hi, after a dist-upgrade on sarge my nvidia driver stopped working. when firing X the splash screen is there, nvidia module is loaded aswell, but glxinfo | grep direct says: Direct Rendering: no. how can i fix that? |
| 18:48.46 | nvz | thats ok, I am not looking for men |
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| 18:49.24 | nvz | my one track mind is set on something female |
| 18:49.58 | travisat | o8>< |
| 18:49.59 | k-dog | deadline: A friend just reported that, sec, which I check. |
| 18:50.01 | Gumby | is there a way without fdisk or cfdisk to show me the partition table of a hard drive? I am trying to see what is on this drive from sarge boot floppies as my cdrom isnt detected |
| 18:50.07 | brrrt | hello all :) |
| 18:50.07 | valdyn | deadline: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 18:50.16 | greycat | Gumby: /proc/partitions perhaps |
| 18:50.40 | luciano | bbrazil, and later, by hand, compare this list with the md5sums DB from other system? |
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| 18:50.47 | bbrazil | luciano: diff |
| 18:50.54 | Gumby | greycat: thank you |
| 18:50.54 | opqdonut | if i want to use php do i need php as a server module (as in apache) or is only having cgi support on the web server enough? i'm trying to decide whether to use thttpd or apache... |
| 18:51.02 | genix | How can I get the lastest kernel using wget and sed, ex: wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/LATEST-IS-* | sed -e "s#LATEST-IS#linux#g" ? |
| 18:51.06 | nvz | well that was easy.. wasted just enough time |
| 18:51.15 | deadline | valdyn: i used the .run script from nvidia.com. the apt-get method failed several times |
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| 18:51.44 | k-dog | deadline: try here: http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=200994 |
| 18:52.08 | brrrt | my machine runs perfectly for months, now it said >>> hda: lost interrupt <<< i had to manually reboot, now everything works fine again, what could be the pronblem? |
| 18:52.09 | genix | valdyn: wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/LATEST-IS-* | sed -e "s#LATEST-IS#linux#g" dont work, do you know the solution? |
| 18:52.10 | streuner | jetscreamer: why not bang your head 1000 times against the wall and say 'Iam right, iam right'? ;-) |
| 18:52.12 | luciano | bbrazil, the format will be quite diferente |
| 18:52.12 | opqdonut | genix: probably: wget `ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/LATEST-IS-* | sed -e "s#LATEST-IS#linux#g"` |
| 18:52.13 | valdyn | deadline: thats why you are fucked now i guess, use the debian way or use nvidias installer again ( and after each X upgrade in debian ) |
| 18:52.17 | gnulu | is there a vnc channel? |
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| 18:52.32 | jetscreamer | streuner: much more satisfying to use my fist on a brick wall |
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| 18:52.43 | jetscreamer | streuner: only problem is after |
| 18:52.52 | tactless | What's a quick command-line based way to check an imap mailbox? |
| 18:53.08 | opqdonut | genix: also, you might want to use / as the separator in the sed command as # might be parsed as a comment by the shell... |
| 18:53.17 | opqdonut | tactless: fetchmail |
| 18:53.35 | opqdonut | tactless: fetchmail -c just checks whether there is mail |
| 18:53.36 | streuner | tactless: *cough* telnet *cough*? |
| 18:53.50 | deadline | valdyn: the nvidia installer says now, that a file in /lib/modules/2.6.8/build/ is invalid...can i reinstall here something? |
| 18:53.50 | tactless | streuner: I said quick. As in something I can put in .bashrc |
| 18:53.58 | streuner | hehe |
| 18:54.02 | streuner | true |
| 18:54.06 | tactless | opqdonut: thanks |
| 18:54.06 | opqdonut | tactless: fetchmail probably |
| 18:54.21 | opqdonut | tactless: or an expect script if you want to do it hc :) |
| 18:54.26 | k-dog | tactless: maybe pop3browser, but I think that's just POP3. |
| 18:54.32 | bbrazil | tactless: put it in your .bash_profile, not your .bashrc |
| 18:54.33 | jetscreamer | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run -a --no-network --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 18:54.37 | valdyn | deadline: no idea, i dont use the nvidia installer |
| 18:54.44 | c4_ | i have run $ zgv KylieMinogue.jpg and then press ESC and the monitor has turned off and the light starts blinking. blind ie wrote $ startx and the monitor has turn on again entering X, but when i change to a console it dies again, only in X is on. what happend? |
| 18:54.55 | greycat | tactless: try googling for "imap biff" |
| 18:54.56 | jetscreamer | youmight have to manually edit /etc/module.conf (iirc) |
| 18:55.04 | asg | c4_: that happens to me whenever I see Kylie anyway |
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| 18:55.12 | genix | opqdonut: your suggestion gives me: "wget: missing URL" |
| 18:55.19 | c4_ | asg: lol |
| 18:55.59 | genix | opqdonut: but I think that is close... any suggestions |
| 18:56.27 | bbrazil | genix: add an echo |
| 18:56.52 | genix | bbrazil: give me an example pls, its to specific |
| 18:56.56 | c4_ | asg: what is it? DPMS? some comand to start the monitor in console?, i think is something of the vgalib |
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| 18:57.25 | asg | c4_: sounds to me like something is trying to drive the scan rates higher than the monitor or card can handle |
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| 18:57.50 | asg | c4_: why that happens when you type 'zgv KylieMinogue.jpg' is very odd. |
| 18:58.38 | opqdonut | genix: you need a command-line ftp client... |
| 18:58.48 | mutante | when there are file system errors, theres a mechanism that would automatically set the whole / fs to read-only to prevent further damage? |
| 18:58.55 | knubbze | okay basically |
| 18:59.01 | knubbze | I have a partition left from my windows-time |
| 18:59.07 | knubbze | with 23 gig of mp3s on it |
| 18:59.10 | knubbze | its fat32 |
| 18:59.13 | knubbze | how can I mount it? :/ |
| 18:59.22 | asg | mutante: man tune2fs |
| 18:59.30 | c4_ | asg: hehe... i see your point, ie typed zgv again (blind) at the console, and i see only some color lines |
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| 18:59.47 | mutante | knubbze: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/windoze (or something similar) |
| 18:59.55 | c4_ | ie = i've |
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| 19:00.00 | c4_ | damn ' |
| 19:00.06 | asg | c4_: hmmm, dunno. |
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| 19:00.21 | c4_ | i'll see that vgaconfig |
| 19:00.27 | c4_ | i hate x |
| 19:00.28 | oby | hy |
| 19:00.31 | genix | opqdonut: sure? I can download "wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/LATEST-IS-*" that download "LATEST-IS-2.6.11.6" |
| 19:00.35 | oby | i am using debian |
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| 19:00.43 | mutante | asg: thanks, cause i guess thats what must have happened to me, everything readonly. How would i switch it back to writable temporarily? (manual chmod everything or some general switch for this?) |
| 19:00.50 | oby | with debian how can visualize |
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| 19:00.53 | oby | with debian how can visualize |
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| 19:01.09 | oby | the directory that are inside my ftp |
| 19:01.29 | stew | !it |
| 19:01.30 | dpkg | italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:01.30 | genix | opqdonut: so there should absolutley be no problem to download the latest kernel this way |
| 19:01.32 | knubbze | mutante, no |
| 19:01.36 | knubbze | it has nothing to do with windows anymore |
| 19:01.48 | knubbze | I have no windows installed for maybe 7 month |
| 19:01.56 | knubbze | its just one partition I left active |
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| 19:02.08 | mutante | knubbze: doesnt matter if windows is installed, just data on a fat32 partition |
| 19:02.10 | genix | opqdonut: Maybe there is some way to download the file with the highest number from kernel.org? |
| 19:02.10 | oby | i try with ls but without |
| 19:02.34 | greycat | genix: there's a LATEST* file. |
| 19:02.42 | cat | how can i send a message to a connected it user on my machine? |
| 19:02.48 | greycat | cat: man 1 write |
| 19:02.51 | Gumby | is there a howto out there on how to install sarge from a hard drive? |
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| 19:02.57 | greycat | !d-i |
| 19:02.57 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 19:03.11 | c4_ | asg: HorizSync 30 70 |
| 19:03.11 | mutante | knubbze: /mnt/windoze was just an example for a mountpoint, you can name it whatever you want |
| 19:03.14 | c4_ | VertRefresh 50 160 |
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| 19:03.19 | Gumby | I am asuming that was for me :) |
| 19:03.26 | gberardi_ | I named mine Herb |
| 19:03.33 | knubbze | how can I display all partitions I have? |
| 19:03.40 | gberardi_ | df |
| 19:03.44 | greycat | knubbze: fdisk -l /dev/hda etc. |
| 19:03.48 | c4_ | asg: do you see that values ok in /etc/vga/libvga.config |
| 19:03.48 | streuner | knubbze: fdisk -l |
| 19:03.50 | knubbze | yes well. |
| 19:03.52 | greycat | gberardi_: that shows file systems, not partitions |
| 19:03.59 | gberardi_ | yeah I realized after I typed it |
| 19:04.00 | genix | greycat: I want to download the latest kernel without specify the version nr "wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/LATEST-IS-*" download "LATEST-IS-2.6.11.6" right now, how can I download the latest kernel this way???????? |
| 19:04.01 | mutante | knubbze: you just create a directory of your choice somewhere and then mount into it |
| 19:04.03 | Vince34 | knubbze, df -h (o: |
| 19:04.18 | greycat | genix: get the LATEST* file, parse it, then get the next one. |
| 19:04.24 | greycat | genix: no, I won't write the script for you. |
| 19:05.18 | knubbze | mutante, okay there is one called WIN95 EXT |
| 19:05.21 | knubbze | and one is WIN95 FAT32 |
| 19:05.24 | knubbze | which one is it? |
| 19:05.39 | genix | greycat: How can I parse it? |
| 19:05.45 | genix | greycat: thats where I am |
| 19:05.54 | valdyn | genix: still working on it? |
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| 19:06.04 | greycat | echo ${filename#LATEST-IS-} |
| 19:06.10 | greycat | that's the LAST hint you'll get. |
| 19:06.52 | genix | greycat: thanks for the hint =) |
| 19:06.59 | knubbze | oh its fixed |
| 19:07.13 | knubbze | cheers mutante |
| 19:07.32 | knubbze | i did mount -t vfat /dev/hdb5 /home/knubbze/mp3 |
| 19:07.35 | knubbze | and it like - worked :) |
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| 19:07.58 | nvz | thats like, so like cool, n'stuff tee hee hee |
| 19:08.21 | Gumby | greycat: I am unsure as to what I am supposed to do with that info. On the sarge page for installing all it says is.. "Booting the installation system directly from a hard disk is another option for many architectures. This will require some other operating system to load the installer onto the hard disk." Doesn't actually tell me what scripts I'd need to run or anything. I already have the data on the hard drive. |
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| 19:08.59 | MobyTurbo | !rube goldberg install |
| 19:08.59 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 19:09.13 | crashbg | hi i'm back again; the mv -r and cp -r doesn't work;i think it will need some more comlicated script to move all the mp3 and wma files from ALL the subdirectories of the 'music' dir to 'music-new' dir |
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| 19:09.16 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.16 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.16 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.17 | kimo | anyone using the cisco airo wlan card ? |
| 19:09.18 | knubbze | wheeeee I got all my 5000 mp3s back =D |
| 19:09.24 | greycat | Installation Howto is a hyperlink. |
| 19:09.28 | greycat | Guess what happens if you follow the link? |
| 19:09.33 | Gnea | anyone here ever installed debian on a Fujuitsu N-5010 laptop? I found a howto but it's all SuSe-based and not detailed at *all* |
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| 19:09.53 | Gnea | so i'm gonna write one but i'm wondering if anyone's got any experience with this thing |
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| 19:10.12 | MobyTurbo | crashbg: use find |
| 19:10.38 | crashbg | Gnea, did you check on http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ |
| 19:11.00 | crashbg | MobyTurbo, can you help me please |
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| 19:11.01 | hoe | hi all, any ideas what these possibly strange 2 lines from auth.log can mean "Apr 4 06:25:01 elipsio su[26003]: + ??? root:nobody\nApr 4 06:25:01 elipsio su[26003]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0)" ? |
| 19:11.05 | neo10-CZE | HELOO |
| 19:11.08 | neo10-CZE | Apr 5 21:06:03 balrog postfix/trivial-rewrite[26728]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 19:11.13 | MobyTurbo | crashbg: man find |
| 19:11.16 | neo10-CZE | I have problem with postfix :( |
| 19:11.31 | neo10-CZE | HELP me :( |
| 19:11.33 | greycat | no, you have a problem with mysql. |
| 19:11.36 | Gnea | crashbg: dude, yes, and they're all crap |
| 19:11.43 | greycat | or more specifically with READING the docs that were on the screen when you installed mysql. |
| 19:11.45 | neo10-CZE | greycat: realy? |
| 19:11.46 | greycat | assuming you did install it. |
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| 19:12.07 | Gnea | suse users are the dumbest linux users on the planet i swear |
| 19:12.12 | mutante | asg: man tune2fs |
| 19:12.14 | mutante | man: can't create a temporary filename: Read-only file system |
| 19:12.14 | greycat | gods only know why you'd want your MTA to talk to a database, but hey, people do some crazy shit. |
| 19:12.16 | Gnea | they write the most horrid documentation |
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| 19:12.20 | mutante | thats classic :/ |
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| 19:12.25 | greycat | Gnea: they're worse than *gentoo* users? |
| 19:12.32 | Gnea | greycat: http://www.xcgtech.com/laptux/ |
| 19:12.32 | greycat | Gnea: I have a hard time believing that |
| 19:12.33 | crashbg | Gnea, it's not only for SuSE? |
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| 19:13.04 | Gnea | greycat: naw i place gentoo users a step above suse users - gentoo users have the balls to get technical |
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| 19:13.33 | nvz | <finishing gnea's statement> ... even if they dont know what they are talking about |
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| 19:13.44 | greycat | Gnea: but the gentoo users always think they know things, when they're totally ignorant. |
| 19:13.59 | greycat | Gnea: then when you tell them they're wrong, they go ballistic |
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| 19:14.07 | dvs | sounds like my boss |
| 19:14.10 | naruto | hey |
| 19:14.16 | naruto | i have a question |
| 19:14.20 | FieldySnuts | @lart Gnea |
| 19:14.23 | naruto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:14.36 | crashbg | naruto, sarge maybe? |
| 19:14.39 | greycat | naruto: of *those* two? woody (3.0). But you really want sarge. |
| 19:14.41 | nvz | naruto: use Sarge 3.1 |
| 19:14.42 | Gnea | greycat: i say fuck that, i'll write better documentation to backup my claim |
| 19:14.49 | MobyTurbo | naruto: it depends upon what you want to do with it. |
| 19:14.49 | tarzeau | good evening |
| 19:14.58 | sepski | !better |
| 19:14.58 | CarlK | how do i decompress a .udeb file, like ./pool/main/p/preseed/network-preseed_1.02ubuntu4_all.udeb |
| 19:14.58 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 19:15.22 | crashbg | naruto, is it for desktop or for a server system? |
| 19:15.23 | tarzeau | CarlK: #ubuntu |
| 19:15.27 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: having fun with empty larts and trolls agian eh? :) |
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| 19:15.31 | Gnea | *again |
| 19:15.42 | CarlK | tarzeau - .udeb isn't a debian thing? |
| 19:15.46 | tarzeau | CarlK: what says file the.udeb ? |
| 19:15.54 | tarzeau | CarlK: but clearly the filename says UBUNTU! |
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| 19:15.59 | p8m | lol |
| 19:16.00 | tarzeau | CarlK: which isn't a debian thing at all |
| 19:16.05 | greycat | !udeb |
| 19:16.06 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
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| 19:16.28 | tarzeau | CarlK: you can use ar x actually on it |
| 19:16.51 | CarlK | pfft - that was easy... thanks |
| 19:17.00 | greycat | but when you install anything with ubuntu in the name, you enter the world of Unsupported. |
| 19:17.37 | tarzeau | CarlK: it can really damage your system, more than sid |
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| 19:19.06 | ningo | !test |
| 19:19.08 | dpkg | No, ningo, you're not online any more. |
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| 19:21.20 | hoe | hi, how can I interpret this from /var/log/auth.log "Apr 4 06:25:01 elipsio su[26003]: + ??? root:nobody\nApr 4 06:25:01 elipsio su[26003]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0)" |
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| 19:21.38 | greycat | hoe: probably a cron job, by the timestamp |
| 19:21.55 | greycat | some job did a "su nobody -c ...." |
| 19:22.00 | hoe | greycat: that 'nobody' user with uied=0 makes me scared |
| 19:22.10 | vork3 | where can i find the folder withe the pcmcia-cs drivers in it? |
| 19:22.18 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 19:22.19 | dpkg | hmm... folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 19:22.26 | greycat | hoe: what would scare *me* would be "session opened for user root by (uid=65534)" |
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| 19:23.03 | Vince34 | vork3, look in man grep ? |
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| 19:23.27 | hoe | greycat: :) ;; it prob. is a cron job, since it's opened everyday at the same time |
| 19:23.34 | vork3 | Vince34 i tryed to find it withe locate but could not find it |
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| 19:24.06 | sepski | vork3, youll find it with apt-cache search .... |
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| 19:24.20 | k-dog | hoe: Probably a cronjob |
| 19:24.32 | vork3 | sepski ill try that |
| 19:24.37 | Vince34 | vork3, sorry , an't help you more , not use to this operation , did you try "find" ? |
| 19:25.08 | knubbze | how can I listen to .wma files? |
| 19:25.09 | Vince34 | vork3, apt-cache search look in tha package list , that's all |
| 19:25.22 | vork3 | ill try that thanks |
| 19:25.27 | MobyTurbo | knubbze: mplayer, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 19:25.41 | cheale1 | !wma |
| 19:25.41 | dpkg | i guess wma is windows media audio file or something of that nature (proprietary Microsoft lossy audio codec), which sucks because I apt say so, or or you can play it with mplayer |
| 19:26.01 | gberardi_ | lol "I apt say so" |
| 19:26.30 | chealer | !no, wma is windows media audio file or something of that nature (proprietary Microsoft lossy audio codec), which sucks because I apt say so, or you can play it with vlc (Sarge) or mplayer |
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| 19:26.42 | knubbze | apt-get install mplayer |
| 19:26.44 | knubbze | wrong window |
| 19:26.45 | hoe | I can see tries to login to my machine via ssh for different usernames within each second from same IP /prob. done by some by me not know piece of sw I guess/, is it posible to set up sshd that it does allow one login from on IP within say 30 secs? |
| 19:26.59 | MobyTurbo | knubbze: password: |
| 19:27.05 | knubbze | no mplayer found ;( |
| 19:27.12 | chealer | knubbze: try vlc |
| 19:27.16 | MobyTurbo | knubbze: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 19:27.26 | knubbze | wheee lots of |
| 19:27.39 | MobyTurbo | knubbze: mplayer is in an alternate repository due to it breaking patents. |
| 19:27.41 | knubbze | t'is downloadin |
| 19:27.56 | knubbze | MobyTurbo, what patents does it break? |
| 19:28.03 | WanderingDavi | Hey folks, I'm trying to set my computer to print to a printer on a windows network using Samba. Problem is, I can't find any documentation on how to set it up in such a way that it sends a username and password to the 2k machine the printer is sitting on. Anyone have a clue? |
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| 19:28.25 | hoe | I'm not asking how, just want to know if it's possible not to waste time searchinhg for nothing :) |
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| 19:28.48 | knubbze | MobyTurbo, is it actually illegal to break patents? |
| 19:28.48 | MobyTurbo | knubbze: I don't know, but the mplayer site claims that and that is a frequent (but not only) reason for packages to be in marillat |
| 19:29.05 | sepski | hoe, everything is possible. if anyone have actualy done it is something else |
| 19:29.12 | k-dog | How can I get detailed information on a DHCP lease? |
| 19:29.20 | Gathond | knubbze: depends on the local law where ever you are i presume |
| 19:29.23 | k-dog | ...as in the settings configured via it? |
| 19:29.24 | greycat | k-dog: read the logs on both client & server |
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| 19:29.33 | k-dog | greycat: No server access. |
| 19:30.44 | gberardi_ | knubbze: as I understand it, it is illegal, but only in that the owner of the patent has to come after you. The law/government doesn't do anything to prosecute you. |
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| 19:30.45 | greycat | k-dog: ask the server admin |
| 19:30.45 | FieldySnuts | then why are you asking heh |
| 19:30.45 | hoe | sepski: thanks for philosofical answer :) |
| 19:30.45 | loveandpe | Am i registered now? |
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| 19:30.45 | sepski | loveandpe, give me your password and i'll check |
| 19:30.45 | MobyTurbo | gberardi_: the author of libdvdcss has been prosecuted. |
| 19:30.45 | k-dog | Any idea what this means: Apr 5 12:28:29 localhost dhclient: Sending on Socket/fallback/fallback-net |
| 19:30.52 | loveandpe | sepski nice try :-) |
| 19:30.54 | k-dog | DHCP context |
| 19:30.55 | sepski | :) |
| 19:31.19 | gberardi_ | MobyTurbo: but not by the government probably. It has to be by the owner. It isn't like murder where the state will take it upon itself to go after you. |
| 19:31.24 | helix | hm, the nick 'sepski' reminds me of 'sepsis' |
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| 19:31.50 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | sa |
| 19:31.50 | MobyTurbo | gberardi_: he got tried in a criminal court, not civil |
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| 19:31.55 | loveandpe | Someone set up a kabelmodem connection? |
| 19:32.05 | knubbze | uhm |
| 19:32.05 | k-dog | helix: hm, the nick 'helix' reminds me of ... |
| 19:32.08 | knubbze | well vlc, plays my file |
| 19:32.08 | loveandpe | more like skepsis |
| 19:32.12 | knubbze | but I don't really hear anything |
| 19:32.12 | gberardi_ | MobyTurbo: So the government brought a case against him? |
| 19:32.13 | knubbze | how come? :( |
| 19:32.28 | FarrisG | dammit... why do I ever trust sales schmucks? |
| 19:32.28 | sepski | loveandpe, you dont _look_ registert not identified atlest, (if your talking freenode registered that is) |
| 19:32.29 | chealer | knubbze: your sound is working? |
| 19:32.34 | knubbze | totally |
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| 19:32.42 | MobyTurbo | gberardi_: well, in the United States, violating the DMCA is a felony. I don't know about Norway, where the case took place. |
| 19:33.03 | gberardi_ | MobyTurbo: but that's not the same as violating patent laws |
| 19:33.05 | dvs | MobyTurbo: Well, according to DVDJon, not so serious |
| 19:33.10 | chealer | knubbze: Try to see if there's a clue in Ctrl+M |
| 19:33.22 | FarrisG | I specifically told this guy at dell I had a non-standard rack cabinet, and even told him exactly what model, and he assured me that the rails he was sending for these servers would work... And there is absolutely no way they will |
| 19:33.29 | knubbze | warning: cannot decode frame bla |
| 19:33.38 | loveandpe | hm i tried /msg nickserv register mypasswd |
| 19:33.40 | MobyTurbo | gberardi_: that depends upon how you violate the patent law. |
| 19:33.46 | chealer | knubbze: ask the BTS or #videolan |
| 19:34.13 | sepski | FarrisG, the salesmen will tell you anything to get a sale, since it's unlikely you return it, and even if you do, they got their score |
| 19:34.14 | gberardi_ | MobyTurbo: absolutely but I was referring to violation of patents, which shouldn't be something the government would come after you for. |
| 19:34.23 | chealer | loveandpe: try with /msg dpkg IDENTIFY mypasswd |
| 19:34.28 | MobyTurbo | gberardi_: IANAL |
| 19:34.32 | loveandpe | ok |
| 19:34.34 | simonrvn | chealer: uh |
| 19:34.43 | FarrisG | sepski: But that's what's weird... We have a net 30 account. They don't HAVE my money yet |
| 19:34.47 | chealer | OOOPS |
| 19:34.55 | gberardi_ | sepski: well, it depends on the salesman, but in general they should prefer repeated business and a good relationship with the customer to the one time sale. |
| 19:34.55 | chealer | loveandpe: try with /msg nickserv IDENTIFY mypasswd |
| 19:35.00 | simonrvn | loveandpe: wait |
| 19:35.03 | chealer | loveandpe: NOT /msg dpkg |
| 19:35.10 | gberardi_ | MobyTurbo: me neither. B-) |
| 19:35.30 | sepski | gberardi_, i didnt have the impression that anyone bought more then 1 dell machine.... |
| 19:35.38 | sepski | :P |
| 19:36.21 | MobyTurbo | Dell makes good LCD monitors, they will accept returns for even one stuck pixel. |
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| 19:36.30 | gberardi_ | sepski: Yeah, but I have a friend who refuses to buy from Dell for life because of a single bad experience. Dell is not getting money from him and also from whatever business he starts up as well as friends he has told of the experience. |
| 19:36.31 | chealer | thanks simonrvn |
| 19:36.38 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 19:36.55 | sepski | MobyTurbo, more and more lcd makes do that now, i guess it's a markeet requirement |
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| 19:37.30 | gberardi_ | sepski: a good salesman will do his best to please the customer, even if there is no sale as a result, because repeat business and referrals are where the real money is at. |
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| 19:37.36 | MobyTurbo | sepski: I wasn't aware of that. That's good then, though I'm fairly happy with my flat surface 17" CRT for now. |
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| 19:38.16 | sepski | MobyTurbo, yeah the highspeed lcd's are still a bit to expencive |
| 19:38.23 | sirex | valdyn, your links regarding apm gfx corruption on thinkpad T22 apm suspend, didnt really turn up anything. |
| 19:38.23 | sepski | i need my daily ET dosage :) |
| 19:38.42 | HeavyD | ET? |
| 19:38.55 | MobyTurbo | sepski: I'm not much of a gamer so I wouldn't really need high speed. |
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| 19:39.19 | nvz | whut? |
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| 19:39.21 | sepski | Enemy territory, it's a 3D free online fps muliplayer game |
| 19:39.25 | nvz | are you smoking crack? |
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| 19:39.48 | deadline | sepski: u should try tactical ops |
| 19:40.02 | sepski | deadline, linux version ? |
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| 19:40.26 | deadline | sepski: you will need wine and the win retail cd for the installation |
| 19:40.40 | mschiff | Maybe its a FAQ: what has happened to people.debian.org? |
| 19:40.44 | gberardi_ | ET is fun, especially at LAN partys |
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| 19:40.46 | gberardi_ | parties |
| 19:40.47 | sepski | deadline, well ET is free to dl and play and it's realy damn good |
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| 19:41.15 | nvz | man wintendo sucks big ____. I walk away for a moment, and it goes to sleep |
| 19:41.20 | nvz | this is a fucking desktop |
| 19:41.38 | greycat | you can change that setting. |
| 19:41.45 | sepski | nvz: well you can adjust that even in windows you know |
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| 19:41.49 | greycat | mschiff: /topic |
| 19:41.57 | nvz | its not my pc |
| 19:42.01 | nvz | I don't adjust anything |
| 19:42.11 | chealer | mschiff: it's the FAQ of the day. and of yesterday :) |
| 19:42.21 | nvz | I installed chatzilla extension to firefox, thats it |
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| 19:42.47 | loveandpe | Back again |
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| 19:43.09 | mschiff | hoppla, I should have read /topic to the end ;) |
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| 19:43.41 | loveandpe | Can someone give me the link to a tutorial on how to set up a kabel-modem connection :-) |
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| 19:44.14 | nvz | plug it in, plug it in |
| 19:44.22 | nvz | just like on the glade commercials |
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| 19:45.02 | loveandpe | Hello? |
| 19:45.04 | revslowmo | hello |
| 19:45.10 | dvs | hello |
| 19:45.11 | biggi_mat | i did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-1-386 and when i do shutdow -r now, reboot, it's impossible to mount root fs. i get Kernel panic VFS: unable to mount root fs. what should i do ? |
| 19:45.17 | nvz | He llo |
| 19:45.21 | Mash | when have ftp://ftp.debian.org his last update? |
| 19:45.29 | dvs | nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk |
| 19:45.33 | sepski | ok.... 8 debian sarge vm's in a vmware running on a p3 1Ghz with 1GB ram isnt exactly snappy :) |
| 19:45.42 | crashbg | biggi_mat, boot from the old kernel first |
| 19:45.45 | LordFrith | biggi_mat: You're not alone. |
| 19:45.52 | biggi_mat | crashbg i am now.. |
| 19:46.04 | biggi_mat | LordFrith thank you :o |
| 19:46.06 | genix | How do I grab the latest kernel with wget and sed? This is NOT working: # wget 'ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/LATEST-IS-* | sed -e "s#LATEST-IS#linux#g"' |
| 19:46.08 | loveandpe | I#m trying to help a friend setting up a kabel-modem connection, but i need to get informed before we can start, can somebody help me? |
| 19:46.08 | crashbg | what's your CPU? |
| 19:46.15 | revslowmo | Is their a list of fonts that deforma found that I can easly list. |
| 19:46.25 | biggi_mat | crashbg AMD Barton 1800 |
| 19:46.44 | biggi_mat | should i download 2.6.10-1-k7 maybe? |
| 19:46.45 | nvz | loveandpe: well first of all, we speak english.. its Cable. 2nd plug the fucker in already, you're done |
| 19:46.46 | crashbg | then install kernel-image-2.6.xxx-k7 |
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| 19:46.51 | mschiff | genix: why dont you use finger? |
| 19:46.51 | greycat | loveandpe: it's probably DHCP. |
| 19:47.03 | genix | mschiff: how? |
| 19:47.04 | crashbg | not 386 |
| 19:47.06 | biggi_mat | crashbg well i'll try for starters...bbl and thanks |
| 19:47.09 | LordFrith | biggi_mat: However, that install change won't fix the problem. |
| 19:47.23 | biggi_mat | LordFrith yes, that's what i am thinking right now |
| 19:47.24 | loveandpe | greycat:not installed yte, cna't i do it with a hardcoded ip? |
| 19:47.26 | mooncat | hi |
| 19:47.38 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.39 | biggi_mat | LordFrith any idea what else should i do? |
| 19:47.44 | greycat | loveandpe: just TRY it. |
| 19:47.45 | loveandpe | greycat:not installed yet, can't i do it with a hardcoded ip? |
| 19:47.48 | LordFrith | biggi_mat: I mucked with this for a few hours one day before giviong up, and using an older kernel. |
| 19:47.51 | revslowmo | anyone in here understand deforma |
| 19:47.54 | greycat | loveandpe: download the d-i image, write it to a CD, boot, install . |
| 19:48.15 | biggi_mat | well i guess 2.4.18 is not really great kernel is it? |
| 19:48.18 | genix | mschiff: I have never used finger so I do not know what you are talking about, can you pls give me an example |
| 19:48.28 | mschiff | genix: finger @kernel.org |
| 19:48.28 | crashbg | biggi_mat, it's vulnerable |
| 19:48.32 | LordFrith | biggi_mat: So I'm going to pay close attention to anyone who is able to solve your problem. |
| 19:48.32 | nvz | I think you mean defoma, and its to be trusted and not understood :P |
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| 19:48.38 | biggi_mat | crashbg that's the point yes |
| 19:48.39 | mooncat | i have a problem with resizing an ext3 partition, anyone could help please? |
| 19:48.40 | loveandpe | biggi_mat: no we are up tzo 2.4.30 now |
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| 19:48.50 | CaptKirk` | hmm, this is strange, i have a Logitech MX700 USB mouse on Debian 3.1 sid (linux 2.6.10), and the mouse "swims" |
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| 19:48.53 | revslowmo | nvz: Do I have another choice? |
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| 19:49.11 | biggi_mat | we'll see |
| 19:49.14 | biggi_mat | LordFrith thank you |
| 19:49.21 | crashbg | CaptKirk`? it moves without touching it? |
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| 19:49.35 | CaptKirk` | crashbg: no, it moves, but it's horribly slow/sluggiush; it "swims" |
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| 19:49.56 | crashbg | maybe edin XFree config? |
| 19:50.03 | CaptKirk` | ya i did that |
| 19:50.07 | sepski | CaptKirk`, your using /dev/input/mice and ExplorePS/2 right ? |
| 19:50.07 | genix | mschiff: Do you mean I should do it manually? I want to do this by script |
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| 19:50.10 | CaptKirk` | i cranked the Resolution opt as far as it would go |
| 19:50.11 | mooncat | hello? i need help please :( |
| 19:50.12 | CaptKirk` | sepski: yes |
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| 19:50.28 | nvz | things like this piss me off easily |
| 19:50.29 | greycat | !tell mooncat about ask |
| 19:50.46 | nvz | one persons name being a different color for no good reason |
| 19:50.51 | sepski | mooncat, take a backup, repartition, mkfs, restore ... partition resized |
| 19:50.53 | greycat | nvz: client issue. |
| 19:51.02 | greycat | probably chose a random color for each person |
| 19:51.08 | CaptKirk` | sepski: any ideas? |
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| 19:51.30 | nvz | people are all blue, when you talk to me, its bold blue.. however genix whom I have no idea who this is, is purple |
| 19:51.31 | mooncat | sepski im totally new to linux, don't know how to do |
| 19:51.31 | sepski | CaptKirk`, not when you have those, |
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| 19:51.40 | genix | greycat: What did you mean by "echo ${filename#LATEST-IS-}" |
| 19:51.41 | nvz | I don't know what makes this fucker think he is special |
| 19:51.46 | pastyhermit | What package do I need to allow gcc to create executables? |
| 19:51.46 | nvz | by it annoys me |
| 19:51.56 | crashbg | CaptKirk`, why don't you try to decreace the resolution |
| 19:51.59 | greycat | nvz: or maybe it's because he's a nitwit? |
| 19:52.08 | CaptKirk` | crashbg: won't that make it more sluggish? |
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| 19:52.27 | crashbg | try it, it won't hurt :) |
| 19:52.28 | nvz | it draws more of my attention than things that need my attention, and it pisses me off |
| 19:52.33 | sepski | !tell pastyhermit about b-e |
| 19:52.43 | greycat | genix: if you can't write a damned script after that much hinting, just download the kernel source by hand. YOU SHOULD NOT BE BUILDING UPSTREAM 2.6 KERNELS ANYWAY. Use the Debian kernel-image packages! |
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| 19:53.09 | SexyKen | Is 144 kilobits like 144k/sec? |
| 19:53.13 | pastyhermit | sepski: cool I didnt know there was a meta package for all that stuff |
| 19:53.15 | pastyhermit | thanx! |
| 19:53.18 | Anders1 | greycat: why shouldnt one use upstream 2.6 kernels? |
| 19:53.20 | crashbg | 144/8 |
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| 19:53.33 | Mash | greycat, but the 2.6.11 image is NOT on the FTP Server for i386 |
| 19:53.47 | greycat | Mash: so? |
| 19:53.51 | greycat | Anders1: /msg dpkg kernel of instability |
| 19:53.54 | Tak | hmm, people.debian.org is down... |
| 19:54.00 | mooncat | sepski i even don't know how to backup my system :( |
| 19:54.10 | nvz | tak: imagine that |
| 19:54.15 | Tak | heh |
| 19:54.22 | nvz | Tak: ever read the /topic? |
| 19:54.30 | tarzeau | dpkg topicsmite Tak |
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| 19:54.31 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Tak. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:54.34 | sepski | mooncat, that's what tar is for. |
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| 19:54.44 | tarzeau | dpkg berzerk mondkatze |
| 19:54.51 | Mash | greycat, in the kernel mailiglist i read that 2.6.11 i386 ist available |
| 19:54.52 | mondkatze | what? |
| 19:55.03 | greycat | Mash: how nice. |
| 19:55.03 | Tak | hehe, the 10 pages of userlist obscured it |
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| 19:55.13 | chilli_ | can anyone help me get my 9800 pro to run properly |
| 19:55.14 | Tak | and I forgot to /topic, so :-P |
| 19:55.18 | nvz | I learn to appreciate irssi more every time I have to use something else |
| 19:55.22 | mooncat | i forgot again that it is an english channel^ |
| 19:55.27 | tarzeau | chilli_: what is a 9800 pro? |
| 19:55.27 | nvz | irc clients teh suck |
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| 19:55.32 | revslowmo | chilli_: Sure you got a hammer. |
| 19:55.33 | dvs | tarzeau: ati |
| 19:55.34 | crashbg | radeon probably :) |
| 19:55.39 | tarzeau | dvs: a graphics card |
| 19:55.39 | greycat | sounds like a radeon |
| 19:55.41 | Mash | greycat, and NO image on the Server the email came in 20:55 (german time) and now 21:56 |
| 19:55.44 | dvs | tarzeau: yup |
| 19:55.46 | greycat | Mash: and? |
| 19:56.05 | greycat | Mash: you *enjoy* the pain? not enough excitement in your life? |
| 19:56.10 | nvz | I wonder why people bother developing irc clients that suck so bad |
| 19:56.21 | SexyKen | What is 144kbps then? |
| 19:56.26 | Tsukasa | hello |
| 19:56.27 | greycat | nvz: because writing bad text editors is *so* 1990s. |
| 19:56.28 | crashbg | tarzeau, what are you using? |
| 19:56.31 | chilli_ | not funny guys .... im swapping to linux and it must be able to play UT2004 |
| 19:56.31 | tarzeau | nvz: the other things they do probably sucks more |
| 19:56.32 | nvz | heh |
| 19:56.32 | Mash | greycat, I always thought, as soon as he is considered as available is he also available on that |
| 19:56.45 | tarzeau | crashbg: graphics card? or what? |
| 19:56.52 | crashbg | SexyKen, it's 144 kilobits per second |
| 19:56.56 | chilli_ | yes, graphics card. |
| 19:57.01 | directhex | chilli_, 1) install sarge 2) google for "flavio ati" 3) read & obey what flavio's page says |
| 19:57.02 | SexyKen | Hrm. |
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| 19:57.06 | SexyKen | 144kbps is kilobits? |
| 19:57.09 | crashbg | SexyKen, if you want it in kilobytes, divide it by 8 |
| 19:57.11 | greycat | kilobits per second |
| 19:57.12 | chilli_ | thanks. |
| 19:57.16 | SexyKen | ah okay. |
| 19:57.17 | SexyKen | Thanks :_) |
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| 19:57.23 | sepski | SexyKen, yes |
| 19:57.30 | chilli_ | see SexyKen |
| 19:57.35 | Mash | ok greycat i wait ;-) |
| 19:57.38 | Tsukasa | what is the default compiler in debian unstable? 3.3.x or 3.4.x? |
| 19:57.38 | resiak | !praise directhex |
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| 19:57.40 | chilli_ | see you soon, thanks SexyKen |
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| 19:57.48 | revslowmo | where can I find documentation on defoma |
| 19:57.49 | greycat | Tsukasa: 3.3 |
| 19:57.52 | Gathond | Tsukasa: 3.3.x currently |
| 19:57.57 | Tsukasa | thanks |
| 19:58.00 | carrett | revenger_: /usr/share/doc/defoma ... |
| 19:58.00 | directhex | though a 9800 pro is slower than an old geforce4, if using fglrx versus nvidia-glx |
| 19:58.10 | carrett | revenger_: just like documentation for any package.... |
| 19:58.14 | greycat | directhex, nvidia pimp/ |
| 19:58.16 | directhex | tsukasa. why does that sound familiar? |
| 19:58.17 | mooncat | anyone here using a wacom graphire 3 under on debian? |
| 19:58.19 | greycat | s#/#.# |
| 19:58.24 | directhex | greycat, i call it as i experience it. |
| 19:58.29 | crashbg | directhex, no, it's fast gc |
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| 19:58.35 | revslowmo | carrett: Any better documentation. |
| 19:58.35 | Tsukasa | the nickname you mean? |
| 19:58.41 | directhex | crashbg, under windows, yes. fglrx really sucks. |
| 19:58.51 | carrett | revslowmo: dunno...google |
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| 19:58.55 | Tak | ( mikasa es tsukasa ) |
| 19:58.55 | nvz | this dumb POS even highlighted that sed expression #.# |
| 19:58.56 | directhex | Tsukasa, yes. |
| 19:58.58 | greycat | crashbg: some people here feel that the ATI drivers do not work well enough to justify the choice of ATI cards for 3d gaming under linux |
| 19:58.58 | revslowmo | ok |
| 19:59.10 | greycat | crashbg: on the other hand, it seems to depend on the card. |
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| 19:59.14 | nvz | this client sucks big ______ _____ |
| 19:59.15 | Tak | for example, I feel that way.. |
| 19:59.23 | greycat | nvz: donkey turds? |
| 19:59.26 | carrett | anyone know how i can get the results of find into an array. right now it's treating the results like one big string instead of a different string for each result |
| 19:59.35 | crashbg | 10x greycat :) |
| 19:59.38 | resiak | !10xz |
| 19:59.39 | resiak | !10x |
| 19:59.39 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 times, please spell it out: "thanks". IRC doesn't charge you by the character, nor is it AOHELL instant messenger. |
| 19:59.42 | Tsukasa | well, it is just a nickname |
| 19:59.46 | nvz | greycat: close enough.. I was thinking donkey balls |
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| 19:59.56 | resiak | carrett: What language? |
| 20:00.02 | carrett | resiak: bash |
| 20:00.06 | resiak | carrett: #bash ? |
| 20:00.13 | directhex | crashbg, the speed difference between a radeon and geforce of identical cost for 3d games under linux is 25-66% in favour of the nvidia, every time |
| 20:00.13 | carrett | resiak: yep |
| 20:00.22 | resiak | carrett: No, I meant go ask #bash |
| 20:00.29 | carrett | resiak: ah |
| 20:00.56 | nvz | I like to leave my client open and trust that when it highlights or otherwise gets my attention its for all the right reasons |
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| 20:01.01 | directhex | crashbg, though only ati currently sell a card which can be accelerated with an open driver (r200 series, i.e. 9200), which puts ati in favour for some people |
| 20:01.06 | crashbg | i am on SiS on the notebook and gf4800 on the pc :) |
| 20:01.11 | nvz | only irssi seems capable of this simple task |
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| 20:03.20 | mooncat | <tarzeau> what do you mean with berzerk ? |
| 20:03.36 | tarzeau | mooncat: i was just trying if dpkg knows about it, on random people |
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| 20:03.41 | _dominik | hi somebody insinde with a kind of knowledge about cyrus imap and database corruption |
| 20:03.45 | mooncat | oh o.k |
| 20:04.03 | directhex | !cyrus |
| 20:04.03 | dpkg | methinks cyrus is the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. It's homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
| 20:04.10 | nvz | anyone inthere with knowlagfe about your problem? |
| 20:04.13 | Tak | directhex - I thought there was limited accel with the nv driver |
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| 20:04.28 | directhex | Tak, 2d acceleration, not a single poly is 3d accelerated |
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| 20:04.32 | Tak | ahh |
| 20:04.38 | greycat | dpkg, cyrus =~ s/It's home/Its home/ |
| 20:04.38 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 20:04.48 | mooncat | who can i backup my debian system? |
| 20:04.52 | mooncat | how |
| 20:05.05 | directhex | tar? amanda? |
| 20:05.08 | directhex | cp -a?# |
| 20:05.11 | tarzeau | mooncat: ibackup ? |
| 20:05.33 | sepski | mooncat, i like rsync over ssh |
| 20:05.41 | xelon | I don't know why, but I have ban on #c. I have to ask here. is there a good editor for c on linux? |
| 20:05.47 | greycat | xelon: no. |
| 20:05.50 | sepski | mooncat, i also like jfs-dump |
| 20:05.53 | tarzeau | xelon: i like mcedit |
| 20:05.54 | _dominik | mooncat dump restore |
| 20:05.54 | greycat | all editors are intrinsically evil. |
| 20:06.00 | fooz | xelon, emacs |
| 20:06.05 | Tak | vim, emacs, scite |
| 20:06.07 | greycat | !start an editor war |
| 20:06.07 | dpkg | vim bites |
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| 20:06.11 | directhex | greycat, you write code with echo and sed? |
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| 20:06.20 | greycat | directhex: sed's an editor too. Stream EDitor. |
| 20:06.22 | Javiera_18 | Who plays to hattrick on line it sends private? |
| 20:06.23 | fooz | he couldn't use sed then; sed means Stream EDitor |
| 20:06.25 | mooncat | @tarzeau + sepski could one of this backup on cd or dvd i have no other partition linux could write on |
| 20:06.32 | xelon | isn't there any graphical interface? |
| 20:06.36 | greycat | xelon: yes. |
| 20:06.54 | sepski | mooncat, a usb 2.0 removeable harddrive is the cheapet and most reliable backup system you can have |
| 20:06.55 | tarzeau | mooncat: you can use cdrecord and mkisofs with a pipe |
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| 20:07.00 | k-dog | Any suggestions on testing for IP collisions on a network? |
| 20:07.02 | nvz | xelon meet kate. Kate, xelon |
| 20:07.02 | greycat | directhex: but if you want to ask which evil editor I use, then it's vim. |
| 20:07.02 | flashdrv1k | Sind hier auch Programmierer? Ich würde gerne eine eigene Uhr (Widgets) programmieren. Ist da C besser oder C++? |
| 20:07.08 | nvz | you guys will be a cute couple |
| 20:07.12 | tarzeau | !dpkg german |
| 20:07.12 | dpkg | german is, like, #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 20:07.13 | mooncat | sepski i have usb2 hd but its still ntfs |
| 20:07.14 | sepski | mooncat, use your favorite cd burning tool for backup on cd/dvd |
| 20:07.15 | tarzeau | flashdrv1k: objective-c |
| 20:07.17 | flashdrv1k | Sorry. |
| 20:07.17 | k-dog | If I set one specific address, stuff gets borked, if I use another, things work. |
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| 20:07.23 | greycat | k-dog: unplug the cable, and if you can still ping the IP, it's a duplicate. |
| 20:07.25 | tarzeau | flashdrv1k: what has a clock to do with widgets? |
| 20:07.29 | greycat | (ping from a second box, that is) |
| 20:07.29 | Javiera_18 | Who plays to hattrick on line it sends private? |
| 20:07.41 | sepski | mooncat, well.. excelent opportunity to do something about that problem also |
| 20:07.57 | flashdrv1k | A label in Linux is also a widget. |
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| 20:08.00 | sepski | mooncat, altho you have a network card so you could backup over network |
| 20:08.15 | nvz | Javiera_18: read what you typed until you can make sense of it, then try again in english. |
| 20:08.37 | nvz | dpkg, confuse Javiera_18 |
| 20:08.38 | dpkg | Yes, who are their pineapple yesterday, Javiera_18? pants of the democracy of micronesia with extra herring |
| 20:08.50 | Tak | "PM me if you play hattrick online" |
| 20:08.54 | mooncat | sepski i mean not the files i mean the kernel and so on, i don't know what is important i'm a noop |
| 20:09.01 | mooncat | noob |
| 20:09.06 | xelon | also, I have an external USB harddisc, I can mount it with mount command. is there any way to mount it when i plug it? |
| 20:09.14 | sepski | mooncat, the kernel is just files that's in /boot whats the problem ? |
| 20:09.17 | k-dog | greycat: It's odder than that. If I change _my_ address from 10.9.12.53 to 10.9.12.54, and try to ping 10.9.12.53, I get "from 10.9.12.53" in the response... |
| 20:09.19 | directhex | xelon, yes, install gnome-volume-manager |
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| 20:09.36 | directhex | xelon, add your user to the "plugdev" group, and run gnome-volume-manager & when you log into x |
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| 20:09.45 | greycat | k-dog: that's expected. |
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| 20:09.48 | directhex | there's also some scripts of some kind which do the same thing in the console |
| 20:09.52 | greycat | arc1:~# ping 139.137.100.100 |
| 20:09.53 | greycat | 64 bytes from 139.137.100.100: icmp_seq=1 ttl=253 time=1.28 ms |
| 20:09.54 | sepski | mooncat, google for backup and linux you'll find lots of reading material |
| 20:10.05 | mooncat | sepski o.k thanks i'll try |
| 20:10.10 | Mash | bye |
| 20:10.19 | Nemesis|w0rk | hi.. I have a question about Bind and DNS enteries, could anyone help me? |
| 20:10.24 | greycat | k-dog: but... if you change your address from X to Y, then ping X, and X responds, then you had a duplicate. |
| 20:10.28 | CaptKirk` | adjusted the resolution, no luck |
| 20:10.32 | Mash | and good night |
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| 20:10.53 | greycat | !tell Nemesis|w0rk about ask |
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| 20:11.31 | k-dog | greycat: One sec, I've confused myself again. |
| 20:11.50 | CaptKirk` | argh thats annoying |
| 20:11.56 | CaptKirk` | the USB mouse is still "swimming" |
| 20:12.07 | Nemesis|w0rk | thanks :P I'm setting one of my system's primary DNS server to point at my local system, and I have Bind running on the local system, |
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| 20:12.17 | biggi_mat | well....i stil got kernel panic VFS: Unable to mount root fs ... and one line before says please set correct mount option "root=" but i'm almost sure it's ok |
| 20:12.26 | biggi_mat | it is /dev/hda1 and i have /dev/hda1 so.. |
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| 20:12.40 | Nemesis|w0rk | I'd like to have every entery for domain1.com from the client system to be redirected to domain2.com , how can I do this on my bind serveR? |
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| 20:12.55 | directhex | biggi_mat, do you use serial ata? |
| 20:13.02 | biggi_mat | no |
| 20:13.14 | sepski | Nemesis|w0rk, yes with a CNAME in bind |
| 20:13.15 | Jon | hi, dumb question. I want to read the text produced at boot, for various reasons it isn't logged (custom init, read-only root partition etc.). on x86, is there some magic key incantation to scroll up on the first vt and see the messages? |
| 20:13.21 | biggi_mat | directhex no |
| 20:13.32 | greycat | Jon: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 20:13.36 | directhex | biggi_mat, hand-made kernel? |
| 20:13.36 | Jon | greycat: cheers |
| 20:13.41 | greycat | Jon: shift-pageup |
| 20:13.42 | xelon | directhex, i did it. disc partitions are vfat and ntfs. I can't see anything on gnome on ntfs partition. and can't get in directories on vfat partition. any solution? |
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| 20:14.00 | Jon | greycat: aha I'll try that (bootlogd might not help as /var/log ro) |
| 20:14.05 | Nemesis|w0rk | sepski, could you please point me to the right docs? all I can see here is docs for v.8 when I'm running v.9 something |
| 20:14.07 | biggi_mat | directhex this time no...i did it before about 10 times but i had the same message. i did apt-get now |
| 20:14.10 | adaran | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.10 | k-dog | Jon: Possible alternate solution: serial console logged to output. |
| 20:14.15 | greycat | but once you switch VTs, shift-pageup loses its history |
| 20:14.19 | biggi_mat | just to try if it's any better but obviusly it's not |
| 20:14.20 | adaran | what the |
| 20:14.30 | directhex | biggi_mat, do you use lilo or grub? |
| 20:14.37 | biggi_mat | lilo |
| 20:14.37 | sepski | Nemesis|w0rk, /usr/share/doc/bind9 maybe. if you installed the bind9-doc package iirc |
| 20:14.42 | directhex | xelon, erm... sounds like something's funny at your end |
| 20:14.44 | Jon | k-dog: yeah that's one thing I am considering |
| 20:14.47 | Jon | greycat: ah. |
| 20:14.53 | directhex | biggi_mat, did you read what was written on your screen about initrds and lilo? |
| 20:15.16 | k-dog | How would I change my MAC address? |
| 20:15.27 | biggi_mat | directhex hmm...i guess i did yes... |
| 20:15.35 | _dominik | k-dog, ifconfig |
| 20:15.36 | dvs | k-dog: for what? NIC or router? |
| 20:15.38 | biggi_mat | i think it was written that it will be added... |
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| 20:16.01 | k-dog | dvs: nic |
| 20:16.04 | k-dog | _dominik: How? |
| 20:16.04 | xelon | directhex, sorry, just "file browser" on gnome can't see contents of the partition. but nautilus can. |
| 20:16.09 | k-dog | _dominik: I RTFMed. |
| 20:16.28 | directhex | biggi_mat, oh you think it was? i don't think it was. i think it said that you had to append it yourself. i think you'd also not have had this trouble if you used grub |
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| 20:16.59 | _dominik | k-dog, man ifconig :) hw class address |
| 20:17.06 | k-dog | _dominik: OK. |
| 20:17.14 | valdyn | xelon: click Help -> Info on that "file browser" |
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| 20:17.33 | k-dog | Other than coding a different MAC address, any way to force a different IP assignment over DHCP? |
| 20:17.45 | biggi_mat | directhex i did now in lilo.conf. i wrote initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-1-k7. i'll try now. brb |
| 20:18.07 | xelon | valdyn, ohhh, it is nautilus too :) . but what is the reason of this? |
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| 20:18.27 | NOthsouth | aaanybody know a repository with postgresql 8 ?? |
| 20:18.29 | sepski | k-dog, request a additional ip, then release the first one after you got the second |
| 20:18.45 | k-dog | sepski: IP alias? |
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| 20:19.20 | valdyn | xelon: permissions? |
| 20:19.23 | ix | root! <3 |
| 20:19.24 | sepski | k-dog, it's more of a wild guess that you could try to run a secondary instance of your dhcp client |
| 20:19.52 | xelon | valdyn, :o ,of course :) |
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| 20:20.35 | Zta | How do I give users access to run cardctl eject? |
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| 20:21.16 | Zta | It's horrible that only root can do this on my system currently. |
| 20:21.19 | k-dog | sepski: billybob:/etc# dhclient eth0:1 |
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| 20:21.23 | k-dog | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
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| 20:21.55 | HelmutG | hi. was there something strange about last sarge gnome packages? gnome-panel blocks since last upgrade. |
| 20:22.13 | valdyn | HelmutG: apt-get dist-upgrade was run? |
| 20:22.19 | Zta | I need to su (or even more horrible: sudo) before I can eject my pcmcia cards |
| 20:22.21 | HelmutG | valdyn: what else? ;) |
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| 20:22.45 | nagual | anyone know if there is a linuxdriver for http://www.sweex.com/product.asp?pid=83 and what its called/where to find it? |
| 20:22.46 | Zta | Since the kernel freezes of I just eject it physically |
| 20:23.16 | k-dog | Zta: sudo is better than su |
| 20:23.17 | jethr0 | why does debian defaults to creating user foo in group foo ? |
| 20:23.20 | sepski | Zta, whats horrible about sudo ? |
| 20:23.32 | k-dog | jethr0: Policy |
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| 20:23.55 | LordFrith | Zta: Just always run as root. |
| 20:24.30 | Zta | I consider sudo a hack; it's a dirty way to get access to stuff, that you cannot configure yourself to though group permissions. |
| 20:24.59 | Zta | For everyday use, sudo is better than su. But it's still a hack. |
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| 20:25.48 | LordFrith | You could also make the program setuid root, and then just run it. |
| 20:25.57 | elirips | is there any way to install debian from within a windows? i have no floppy or cdrom, only a running win (and network).. |
| 20:25.59 | greycat | sepski: what's horrible about it is the sudoers(5) syntax |
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| 20:26.13 | greycat | LordFrith: that's highly dangerous |
| 20:26.25 | LordFrith | greycat: Of course it is. So is always running as root. |
| 20:26.27 | k-dog | elirips: Possibly, though I'm not aware of any. |
| 20:26.39 | Zta | LordFrith, ..and give "staff" or similar group access to executing it. |
| 20:26.42 | LordFrith | greycat: I'm just not sure what more functionality than sudo he wants. |
| 20:26.49 | k-dog | elirips: USB? |
| 20:26.53 | nagual | greycat: agreed |
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| 20:27.03 | grendal_prime | ok who is good with sound? |
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| 20:27.06 | elirips | k-dog: that old crap can't boot from usb, i'm almost sure ;) |
| 20:27.08 | grendal_prime | im loosing my mind |
| 20:27.18 | Tak | grendal_prime - what's up? |
| 20:27.29 | grendal_prime | thinking running variouis apps that keep saying sound cannot initialize..and whatnot |
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| 20:27.34 | k-dog | grendal_prime: loosing your mind, loosing you belt... |
| 20:27.52 | Tak | you have your sound modules loaded and all that? permission to write to /dev/dsp ? |
| 20:27.53 | grendal_prime | like...well quake for one |
| 20:27.57 | k-dog | elirips: What version of 'Doze? |
| 20:28.05 | Zta | LordFrith, I was thinking more in ways of /etc/fstab; that file can be configured to give users access to mount and unmount filesystems. |
| 20:28.12 | grendal_prime | old on |
| 20:28.22 | Zta | A similar file for inserting and ejecting pcmcia devices would be cool |
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| 20:29.04 | grendal_prime | /dev/dsp: |
| 20:29.11 | xelon | valdyn, i can't change the permission of my external harddisc! |
| 20:29.17 | elirips | k-dog: win2k |
| 20:29.23 | grendal_prime | /dev/dsp: Input/output error |
| 20:29.31 | grendal_prime | thats a biggie right there |
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| 20:29.36 | k-dog | elirips: What sort of kit? PC or laptop? |
| 20:29.43 | valdyn | xelon: for fucks sake why would you do that |
| 20:29.57 | k-dog | xelon: man mount |
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| 20:30.01 | elirips | k-dog: an old p2-266mhz, i guess it has an asus p2b mainboard in it. |
| 20:30.15 | grendal_prime | tak |
| 20:30.20 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 20:30.20 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 20:30.21 | k-dog | elirips: PC? |
| 20:30.25 | valdyn | xelon: ^^^^ |
| 20:30.35 | elirips | k-dog: yes. |
| 20:30.35 | grendal_prime | Tak |
| 20:30.35 | k-dog | elirips: Options: get a CDR. Or put the HD in another box. |
| 20:30.40 | Tak | yes? |
| 20:30.41 | Tak | yes? |
| 20:30.46 | xelon | valdyn, thanks :) |
| 20:30.57 | grendal_prime | well does /dev/dsp: Input/output error mean the permissions are incorrect and is that normal? |
| 20:30.58 | elirips | k-dog: hm, also think that's the easiest solution... hoped i could avoid it somehow.. |
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| 20:31.03 | k-dog | elirips: CD will set you back ~$20-40 US. You only need to swap it for the install |
| 20:31.25 | k-dog | elirips: I think there are some 'Doze install hacks, but it's pretty virgin territory still. |
| 20:31.26 | Tak | grendal_prime - it can |
| 20:31.27 | revslowmo | why does fc-list out put this |
| 20:31.28 | revslowmo | Verdana:style=Regular,Normal,obyÄejné,Standard,Κανονικά,Normaali,Normál,Normale,Standaard,Normalny,Обычный,Normálne,Navadno,Arrunta |
| 20:31.29 | HelmutG | is there something like an installlog for apt? i.e. how to reverse an upgrade? |
| 20:31.39 | k-dog | HelmutG: /var/log/aptitude* |
| 20:31.49 | k-dog | !tell HelmutG about aptitude |
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| 20:31.54 | Tak | grendal_prime - input/output error isn't really specific, and could mean any number of things... |
| 20:31.54 | HelmutG | k-dog: didn't i make myself clear? |
| 20:32.15 | HelmutG | k-dog: i said using apt. |
| 20:32.19 | elirips | k-dog: i think i have somewhere a cdrom available.. but i hoped i could do it the other way round, but now i think i'm faster if i'm just going to search where it is.. |
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| 20:32.28 | grendal_prime | ok well /dev/dsp is smlink and it points of course to dsp0 |
| 20:32.29 | Zta | What is the "dip" user group for exactly? |
| 20:32.38 | valdyn | HelmutG: sounds unlikely to me that gnome-panel would have broken depends in a sane sarge install |
| 20:32.40 | k-dog | HelmutG: ~/bash_history |
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| 20:32.48 | grendal_prime | its owned by root audio group |
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| 20:32.59 | k-dog | HelmutG: That said, logging is a key benefit of aptitude over apt-get. |
| 20:33.02 | Tak | grendal_prime - what are the permissions on it? |
| 20:33.04 | HelmutG | k-dog: great. bash_history doesn't tell what packages got upgraded. :) |
| 20:33.15 | grendal_prime | root and group can read and write |
| 20:33.16 | k-dog | HelmutG: Use aptitude then. |
| 20:33.18 | HelmutG | k-dog: i now i should be using aptitude. ;) |
| 20:33.21 | damia | Is thunderbird working on a upgraded sid? |
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| 20:33.29 | grendal_prime | now..the user i believe belongs to audio group..let me check though |
| 20:33.30 | biggi_mat | so my default bootloader is now lilo but i want to have grub to see if that maybe helps. i downloaded everything needed. how do i change my bootloader now? |
| 20:33.32 | HelmutG | valdyn: indeed it's shown up in ps with a D. |
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| 20:33.43 | k-dog | HelmutG: Yeah. You can sometimes guess by timestamps in /var/cache/apt/ or /usr/share/doc |
| 20:33.45 | tactless | For a single user, how do I get the old X cursor back? (That is, pre-Xcursor) |
| 20:34.01 | k-dog | tactless: Would that be a precursor cursor? |
| 20:34.04 | HelmutG | k-dog: hum. that'll be difficult. |
| 20:34.14 | k-dog | HelmutG: could be worse. |
| 20:34.16 | tactless | k-dog: The old black one |
| 20:34.19 | k-dog | HelmutG: ...could be my problem. |
| 20:34.22 | grendal_prime | ya user belongs to audio |
| 20:34.35 | HelmutG | grr. even worse. logging in now using kdm yields to login screen. |
| 20:34.44 | k-dog | tactless: Dunno, but when you find out, tell dpkg. |
| 20:34.47 | HelmutG | nothing seems to work anymore. |
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| 20:35.01 | k-dog | HelmutG: <ctrl><alt><F[1-6]> |
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| 20:35.18 | damia | I have updated my sid, and now thunderbird is not working anymore. I try to delete all user data, and it did nor boot up.. Anyone have an updated sid, and thunderbird is working? |
| 20:35.29 | grendal_prime | aditional info quake spits out this |
| 20:35.30 | grendal_prime | SNDDMA_Init: Could not mmap /dev/dsp. |
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| 20:35.52 | grendal_prime | this is on a laptop... |
| 20:35.58 | grendal_prime | ac97 sound i believe |
| 20:36.00 | oskie | CPU Temp: +50.5°C (high = +95°C, hyst = +85°C) (beep) <- why does it say beep? |
| 20:36.36 | HelmutG | k-dog: uhm. assume a higher level of knowledge please. |
| 20:36.37 | grendal_prime | also...alsa is in kernel and...well most applications seem to work fine..xmms...kde system sounds...just mostly games will not play snd |
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| 20:36.58 | HelmutG | k-dog: i just did my daily apt-get dist-upgrade and users complained about broken pannel. |
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| 20:37.19 | grendal_prime | im looking for some way of supporting these...first person shootumps type games... |
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| 20:37.45 | grendal_prime | i use to fire them up with asound...but well even then the were crapy skipping and whatnot |
| 20:38.26 | juanmals | have you had problems today when upgrading in sarge with the package ifupdown? |
| 20:38.28 | k-dog | HelmutG: I've long since got over assuming here. |
| 20:38.40 | k-dog | HelmutG: Please make your level of knowlege clear ;-) |
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| 20:38.54 | tactless | Got it: |
| 20:39.21 | grendal_prime | Tak, for the mostpart im just frustrated because i have heard alot of good things about alsa..and well i dont see much advantage to it |
| 20:39.31 | valdyn | grendal_prime: try to run your game with "aoss game" |
| 20:39.39 | Tak | alsa drivers have always worked better for me |
| 20:39.46 | Tak | but I always use the oss emulation too |
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| 20:40.31 | Tak | grendal_prime - try loading snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:40.35 | HelmutG | k-dog: if i wasn't in a hurry my question could have been asking for a sponsor. (i.e. making packages) |
| 20:40.43 | grendal_prime | valdyn, it works..but its noisy as all hell |
| 20:41.01 | valdyn | grendal_prime: noisy? |
| 20:41.12 | grendal_prime | garbled...skips... |
| 20:41.12 | Nemesis|w0rk | I'm trying to get the psp browser hack to work, but I've never setup a dns server before |
| 20:41.24 | Nemesis|w0rk | I have Bind installed, but I don't know how I need to configure it , |
| 20:41.26 | valdyn | grendal_prime: fix your frequencies in ~/.asoundrc |
| 20:41.28 | grendal_prime | sounds like its running toooo fast and stopping ever seccond to compensate |
| 20:41.59 | Nemesis|w0rk | I want to use my local system as a primary dns server for the PSP, and redirect all requests from one website to my local apache... |
| 20:42.12 | valdyn | grendal_prime: unfortunately the simple kernel debug messages are off by default, they would show this, just fix the frequencies |
| 20:42.17 | Nemesis|w0rk | how should I configure bind? ... would it be a primary dns server or a secondary? |
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| 20:42.26 | grendal_prime | valdyn, example? |
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| 20:42.39 | valdyn | grendal_prime: do you have a ~/.asoundrc? |
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| 20:43.01 | grendal_prime | nope |
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| 20:43.30 | HelmutG | k-dog: any suggestions fixing that? |
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| 20:43.55 | elirips | where can i find out why my system just rebooted after 5 minutes of work? |
| 20:44.19 | valdyn | grendal_prime: you can read about makeing one on alsa-project.org, and you can set a rate with "rate <frequ>" per device |
| 20:44.37 | greycat | elirips: you probably can't. first guess is hardware (power supply, mobo, cables) |
| 20:44.37 | grendal_prime | cool thanks |
| 20:44.48 | HelmutG | valdyn: do you think gnome-panel might have introduced some kind of locking which might be incomatible with nfs-user-server? |
| 20:44.52 | grendal_prime | im looking...there may be a generic on in /etc |
| 20:44.57 | valdyn | grendal_prime: most likely quake is outputting at 44100 and alsa is sending that data w/ 48000 to your soundcard |
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| 20:45.08 | HelmutG | valdyn: i suspect this to be a bug. |
| 20:45.10 | Nemesis|w0rk | any ideas sepski? =) |
| 20:45.11 | valdyn | grendal_prime: so its to fast, then runs out of data |
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| 20:45.26 | valdyn | HelmutG: i have no idea, sorry |
| 20:45.35 | elirips | greycat: but i also received 'Broadcast message from root (console) (Tue Apr 5 21:45:31 2005):' |
| 20:45.38 | valdyn | HelmutG: cant you shut down then try again? |
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| 20:45.48 | elirips | greycat: about rebooting |
| 20:45.52 | grendal_prime | that sounds right |
| 20:45.55 | greycat | elirips: then, uh, ask root. |
| 20:46.00 | sepski | Nemesis|w0rk, if you only have 1 bind server then it's a master/primary |
| 20:46.18 | HelmutG | valdyn: after rebooting that machine (which was not intended btw) logging in using gnome doesn't work at all. |
| 20:46.23 | elirips | greycat: so someone else is on it? |
| 20:46.34 | sepski | Nemesis|w0rk, about the psp hack i know nothing , but im sure you could google something up |
| 20:46.35 | greycat | elirips: someone logged into the console apparently used the shutdown(8) command. |
| 20:46.40 | valdyn | grendal_prime: not hard to make a basic asoundrc, but if i send you mine youll just be confused, its to big |
| 20:46.44 | greycat | elirips: or wall(1) |
| 20:46.59 | kreg | can client that want to talk on microphones with audio, get through an iptables NAT firewall for that to work? |
| 20:47.08 | elirips | greycat: hm.. now i'm a little bit afraid.. nobody else is supposed to know the root-pw.. |
| 20:47.26 | greycat | elirips: or possibly pressed ctrl-alt-del (which issues shutdown -r now unless you edited inittab) |
| 20:47.38 | HelmutG | valdyn: hum wait. nfs might be another problem. |
| 20:47.38 | Nemesis|w0rk | sepski, yes I know how it works and what I need to do, I need all my http requests for scea.com ti ve directed to local host, |
| 20:48.11 | elirips | greycat: now way to check if it has been a ctrl+alt+del or from somone who is in my pc? |
| 20:48.29 | greycat | elirips: run to the console and find out who was just there. |
| 20:48.36 | greycat | elirips: then ask them what they did |
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| 20:48.57 | HelmutG | valdyn, k-dog: ok. it was indeed an nfs related problem. though it was due to erronous sarge upgrades on the server (not the client). |
| 20:49.03 | sepski | elirips, if you can't control ctrl+alt+del then you should disable that in inittab you know |
| 20:49.05 | elirips | greycat: it says last login was from the laptop i am now working on (it was another pc besides me who rebooted). i know i didnt enter reboot |
| 20:49.06 | HelmutG | valdyn, k-dog: thanks. |
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| 20:49.39 | greycat | elirips: you're just absolutely dead terrified to go over to the console, eh? |
| 20:50.16 | Walther | hey is there debian ppc specific chan |
| 20:50.28 | valdyn | !ppc |
| 20:50.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 20:50.42 | Walther | kewl |
| 20:50.49 | Tak | hmm |
| 20:50.54 | Tak | wasn't that before amd64? :-P |
| 20:50.59 | elirips | greycat: what you mean go over to the console? i am logged in via ssh, there it says last login was from here, i would like to get to know who gave that reboot command. do you know if ssh logs who logs in and so? |
| 20:51.37 | grendal_prime | well valdyn...im not that great with hardware stuff...im looking for one on google...its a pretty common laptop..dell 1100 |
| 20:51.41 | Walther | Tak: ppc? that's mac |
| 20:51.56 | sepski | !m68k |
| 20:51.57 | dpkg | m68k is, like, Motorola 680x0 CPU family, used in Macs, Ataris, Amigas, Palm machines, older Sun workstations, and various VME bus systems. linux m68k runs on some of these, ucLinux should run on the less powerful models, or http://www.linux-m68k.org/faq/faq.html |
| 20:51.58 | valdyn | grendal_prime: eh? |
| 20:52.14 | greycat | elirips: you have feet, right? or a wheelchair that's capable of moving? or slaves to carry you on a litter? |
| 20:52.20 | valdyn | grendal_prime: whats the question? |
| 20:52.20 | greycat | elirips: GO THERE. |
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| 20:53.01 | Tak | no no no |
| 20:53.08 | valdyn | grendal_prime: i would bet that thinkpads are the best supported laptops, but i dont know many at all |
| 20:53.14 | elirips | greycat: what should i see there? a ghost in front if it? |
| 20:53.18 | sepski | elirips, greycat means you should move your feet over there. and you can use lastlog to see who logged in where |
| 20:53.28 | Tak | what I mean is, wasn't the whole ppc superiority complex thing before the advent of amd64 |
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| 20:53.46 | elirips | sepski: what's the difference in seeing it there on the console or here via ssh? |
| 20:54.21 | sepski | *cry* ! |
| 20:54.27 | sepski | <greycat> elirips: run to the console and find out who was just there. |
| 20:54.28 | valdyn | Tak: ppc is neither per se 64 bit, nor does amd64 cure some basic problems from i386 |
| 20:54.42 | juanmals | does anybody knows where is the console history logged? |
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| 20:54.56 | Tak | which basic problems? |
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| 20:54.59 | greycat | elirips: because THERE MAY BE PEOPLE AT THE CONSOLE. |
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| 20:55.10 | valdyn | Tak: like lack of registers |
| 20:55.10 | greycat | elirips: you know, homo sapiens? bald monkeys? |
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| 20:55.16 | juanmals | i mean when i run history command, where does it get information from? |
| 20:55.17 | sepski | elirips, the lastlog command can be run from ssh, and you can also check /var/log/auth.log |
| 20:55.23 | Tak | valdyn - actually it does add several registers... |
| 20:55.24 | greycat | elirips: they're capable of communication using sound waves |
| 20:55.32 | greycat | (most of them, anyway) |
| 20:55.36 | valdyn | Tak: yea, just few |
| 20:55.40 | elirips | greycat: ok, there are no people there at all (its next room). |
| 20:55.41 | DebianTestr | When your using MRTG to find out bytes/sec do you use the total bytes MIB or the bytes/sec MIB? will mrtg find out the rate by sampling the total bytes? |
| 20:55.50 | daffy-pkf | chanserv help |
| 20:56.03 | greycat | elirips: well, who was there at (Tue Apr 5 21:45:31 2005)? |
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| 20:56.11 | greycat | which was probably 11 minutes ago now. |
| 20:56.13 | daffy-pkf | arf |
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| 20:56.34 | elirips | greycat: i was logged in via ssh from here. and nobody else was in the room. |
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| 20:57.04 | elirips | greycat: can it be that the system does a clean resume because it detects some kind of failure? or must that have been somebody for sure? |
| 20:57.14 | greycat | elirips: your paste CLEARLY SAID "console". |
| 20:57.26 | greycat | 16:45 elirips> greycat: but i also received 'Broadcast message from root |
| 20:57.26 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.28 | greycat | [6~ |
| 20:57.30 | biggi_mat | i have a problem now. i have a home local network which looks like this: modemo----server(debian)---workstation(slackware/windows). but this local network doesn't work really. workstation can send bytes but it doesn't recive anything from server. any ideas what went wrong? |
| 20:57.47 | elirips | greycat: console != remote loged in? |
| 20:57.50 | biggi_mat | i blame server for this.. |
| 20:57.52 | valdyn | elirips: like a power outage? |
| 20:57.58 | greycat | are you DAFT? |
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| 20:58.40 | greycat | I still think someone pressed ctrl-alt-del on the wrong keyboard. |
| 20:58.42 | greycat | have fun. |
| 20:59.07 | grendal_prime | valdyn, i found some info about this particual card...put them into a file called .asoundrc in my home user dir...thing is this soundrc script says nothing about frequencys..where would i put that at? |
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| 20:59.21 | sepski | elirips, and you can prevent ctrl+alt+del in /etc/inittab for future reference |
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| 21:00.22 | xelon | guys, I want to run gnome-volume-manager in background, how can i do this? |
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| 21:00.33 | elirips | sepski: thanks.. i am going to install a cam.. whoever it was.. that's strange .. |
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| 21:00.57 | valdyn | grendal_prime: not entirely sure, i would make a device : "pcm.dsp0 \ { \ type plug \ slave.pcm "hw:1,0" \ rate 44100 \ } |
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| 21:01.53 | valdyn | grendal_prime: oh nm, thats the one for aoss i think, just put it to your hardware device and put 48000 |
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| 21:03.17 | oKtosiTe | I have made a script that backs my server's essential files up. It only works if I have read access to all files on the ext3 partition, is root the only user I can run this script as? What's the best crontab to add this to? |
| 21:03.37 | xelon | ? |
| 21:03.39 | grendal_prime | doesnt seem to have any effect |
| 21:03.48 | valdyn | grendal_prime: trying again: pcm.!default \ type hw \ card 0 \ device 0 \ rate 48000 \ } |
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| 21:03.50 | grendal_prime | by the way quake reports the sample rate as sound sampling rate: 11025 |
| 21:04.09 | sparr_ | whats good for playing oggs? |
| 21:04.19 | Yaroon | Could someone tell me again how I check whether there's a swap partition available? |
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| 21:04.22 | Yaroon | swapon -s ? |
| 21:04.30 | valdyn | grendal_prime: thats not what matters , problem is that alsa does not know which frequencies it can send to your hardware |
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| 21:05.38 | grendal_prime | i dont knowtice any diff at all how can i be sure its using the asoundrc file anyway? |
| 21:05.44 | Tak | sparr_ - ogg123? beep-media-player? |
| 21:05.58 | grendal_prime | is that some sort of trace i can run with that application gives me some info as its fireing up? |
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| 21:06.56 | valdyn | grendal_prime: not really, since the app just uses /dev/dsp, which is controlled by the kernel |
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| 21:07.23 | valdyn | grendal_prime: it will use your asoundrc however |
| 21:07.41 | elsn | Where is the default .bashrc for users? |
| 21:07.52 | elsn | i mean. |
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| 21:07.55 | Tak | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.00 | elsn | hmm okey. |
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| 21:08.03 | elsn | is that for all users? |
| 21:08.06 | Tak | yes |
| 21:08.12 | valdyn | elsn: no, in /etc/skel/ |
| 21:08.18 | elsn | [23:07:55] <Tak> /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 21:08.20 | elsn | [23:08:12] <valdyn> elsn: no, in /etc/skel/ |
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| 21:08.21 | elsn | :| :P |
| 21:08.23 | grendal_prime | ya its reading it...i threw the word "crap" i nthere and now it makes no sound |
| 21:08.24 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 21:08.32 | Tak | I have no /etc/skel |
| 21:08.33 | valdyn | elsn: we both understand you different i guess |
| 21:08.35 | grendal_prime | well the sample rates are just not working |
| 21:09.01 | elsn | valdyn: i want every user to use the same .bashrc and .bash_profile |
| 21:09.16 | Tak | oh, nm |
| 21:09.25 | Tak | everything's just .filed |
| 21:09.56 | valdyn | elsn: when you add a user with "adduser", then his $HOME will contain whatever is in /etc/skel/ |
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| 21:10.41 | samuel | hello all |
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| 21:11.09 | samuel | ive been itching to try ubuntu for a while, has anyone here tried it yet? |
| 21:11.09 | ningo | wasn't there a wikipage about debhelper (the bot here) ? |
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| 21:12.22 | amorphix | whats the command to reconfigure x server? |
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| 21:12.32 | directhex | !drxx amorphix |
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| 21:12.33 | dpkg | amorphix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 21:12.33 | ningo | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:12.36 | amorphix | debian's package server is down :( |
| 21:12.41 | amorphix | thanks directhex |
| 21:12.56 | kuribas | hi, does anyone know how I can make my .Xmodmap file be read automaticly? |
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| 21:13.46 | kuribas | It used to work before, but someone changed the behaviour ... |
| 21:13.50 | amorphix | if u have a mouse pointer in the middle of your keyboard (like IBM ThinkPad) how do u configure that in xserver? |
| 21:14.05 | Tak | usually they use /dev/psaux |
| 21:14.07 | ryan` | kuribas, I use kde's autostart for that. |
| 21:14.07 | Tak | IME |
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| 21:14.35 | kuribas | ryan`: I am using gnome + windowmaker ... |
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| 21:14.46 | valdyn | amorphix: im using /dev/input/mice, that is getting both, the point and the touchpad |
| 21:14.46 | elsn | valdyn: hmm, is there anything special i shall do so all users reads from /etc/skel/.bashrc? |
| 21:14.47 | prcko | does anyone recognize exim4 problem in sid where it displays some debug info(i think) and doesnt configure itselft |
| 21:15.13 | valdyn | elsn: nono, those files simply get copied when you do "adduser foo" |
| 21:15.21 | elsn | ah. |
| 21:15.37 | elsn | valdyn: i just logged in to user "elsn" and then i get right colors and bash. |
| 21:15.39 | elsn | but |
| 21:15.43 | elsn | when im typing "su" |
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| 21:15.52 | elsn | and correct password, i get the default shit :( |
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| 21:16.07 | valdyn | elsn: b/c thats in /root/.bashrc |
| 21:16.33 | lakcaj | Hi. I have a file I want to sent to my buddy who is on a windows box. What's a good/easy way for me to encrypt the file to email it and allow him to decrypt it? |
| 21:16.55 | dondelelcaro | lakcaj: gnupg |
| 21:17.04 | Tak | gzip |
| 21:17.08 | Tak | :-P |
| 21:17.13 | valdyn | elsn: fix it manually for each user that already exists, fix /etc/skel/*, then every new user added will get those |
| 21:17.27 | elsn | valdyn: i have the same files in /root/.bashrc |
| 21:17.29 | elsn | :| |
| 21:18.03 | directhex | rot13 |
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| 21:18.08 | grendal_prime | this is a getting to be a headack |
| 21:18.09 | streuner | Is there gdesklet which show different timezones and how do i start it in ob? |
| 21:18.22 | lakcaj | dondelelcaro, thanks, I'll look into that now. |
| 21:18.24 | stew | grendal_prime: send a headrst |
| 21:18.33 | amorphix | what port do u specific in xserver if you have a keyboard mouse pointer (like IBM ThinkPad)? |
| 21:18.38 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 21:18.39 | amorphix | *specify |
| 21:18.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 21:18.46 | amorphix | yeah yeah |
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| 21:19.38 | valdyn | amorphix: /dev/input/mice ? |
| 21:19.46 | simonrvn | stew: haha :) |
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| 21:19.59 | amorphix | i think its atibm |
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| 21:20.11 | amorphix | actipoint ibm? |
| 21:20.14 | super1 | can anyone tell me why after rolling a kernel, my reiserfs root partition would only come up as read only. if i remount it as rw it's fine? |
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| 21:20.34 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | hola |
| 21:20.35 | abrotman | super1: i have a hint .. don't do it |
| 21:20.36 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | como va |
| 21:20.38 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:20.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:20.44 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | es?? |
| 21:20.48 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | ok |
| 21:20.49 | super1 | abrotman:what do you mean? |
| 21:21.02 | abrotman | super1: why did you compile your own kernel? |
| 21:21.20 | elsn | valdyn: 'root' got /etc/skel/.bashrc and .bash_profile now and when i do 'su' i get ugly style anyway :( |
| 21:21.20 | simonrvn | kernel: tcf_action_init_1: successfull police |
| 21:21.28 | simonrvn | stupid bad spelling |
| 21:21.30 | super1 | abrotman: it's for a customer, and so pissed their even using reiserfs |
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| 21:22.33 | abrotman | super1: customer? .. tell them reiser is evil ? |
| 21:22.47 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | helpme |
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| 21:23.05 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:23.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:23.14 | super1 | abrotman: it too late now. can you think of anything that might cause that |
| 21:23.19 | abrotman | go to the spanish channel unless you can effectively speak english |
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| 21:23.24 | simonrvn | just ask (in english so we can understand you) |
| 21:23.41 | abrotman | super1: i'm not sure .. i'd use reiser only if ntfs failed :) |
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| 21:24.15 | super1 | abrotman: is it simple to convert to ext 2 or even possible? |
| 21:24.38 | abrotman | super1: i don't use reiser .. but i don't think you can convert reiser to anything .. you did check your fstab right ? |
| 21:24.49 | valdyn | elsn: isnt that /etc/skel/ the wrong one still? |
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| 21:25.12 | valdyn | elsn: cp your own .bashrc /root/ |
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| 21:25.17 | super1 | abrotman: yea it's set to rw |
| 21:25.24 | valdyn | elsn: but that will fuck up some other stuff so |
| 21:25.31 | elsn | valdyn: hmm |
| 21:25.33 | abrotman | super1: and the correct FS right? |
| 21:25.36 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | abrotman, sawaver pich |
| 21:25.41 | valdyn | elsn: edit original roots .bashrc |
| 21:25.44 | abrotman | what the fuck? |
| 21:26.02 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | jil |
| 21:26.03 | abrotman | speak in english .. not whatever the fuck that was |
| 21:26.08 | abrotman | !spanish |
| 21:26.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:26.16 | abrotman | ArGeNtO_100x100: /j #debian-es |
| 21:26.23 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | ok |
| 21:26.28 | ArGeNtO_100x100 | pero deja de joder |
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| 21:26.47 | valdyn | abrotman: i thought bob2 banned this guy |
| 21:27.03 | abrotman | valdyn: they keep undoing bans .. they take up ram or some crap |
| 21:28.00 | Tak | uhh |
| 21:28.05 | abrotman | buh |
| 21:28.13 | CyberShadow | why won't "dist-upgrade" upgrade me to KDE 3.4? |
| 21:28.17 | Tak | wtf is the point of running an irc server if you can't keep up with integral parts of it like bans? |
| 21:28.25 | MobyTurbo | CyberShadow: /topic |
| 21:28.32 | ding | Anyone use apache-perl? My php files are not getting handled by the server even though I have libapache-mod-php4 installed... |
| 21:28.35 | Tak | "We're eliminating all the #debian- channels because they take up too much ram..." |
| 21:29.01 | CyberShadow | MobyTurbo: it's been half a month!! |
| 21:29.08 | abrotman | tak: because they wear out? .. why do we need to continue to ban certain ips .. especially DHCP ips |
| 21:29.15 | abrotman | tak: did you actually look at the ban list? |
| 21:29.18 | MobyTurbo | CyberShadow: so? And Sarge isn't getting it. |
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| 21:29.57 | abrotman | tak: so everyonce in a while .. they purge some .. not a bad thing .. |
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| 21:29.57 | Tak | heh, I ban *ranges* of ips |
| 21:30.09 | CroatianNinja | can anyone recommend a good guide for compiling and installing the latest kernel for debian |
| 21:30.17 | CyberShadow | MobyTurbo: what do you mean, "Sarge isn't getting it"? |
| 21:30.17 | abrotman | tak: well .. that's up to you .. you're not trying to run an open network perhaps? |
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| 21:30.32 | Tak | well, it just concerns me, because we had a pretty severe case of stalking in one of my channels... |
| 21:30.33 | abrotman | CyberShadow: he didn't stutter |
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| 21:30.44 | abrotman | tak: well .. that's your channel .. you can do what you want there |
| 21:31.00 | MobyTurbo | CyberShadow: software automatically in most cases moves from sid to sarge, they don't want the latest major pieces of two-week-old software entering Sarge. |
| 21:31.00 | CyberShadow | abrotman: stutter? I'm getting more confused by the second. |
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| 21:31.16 | mrdeath | hello all |
| 21:31.17 | abrotman | tak: we've banned entire ISPs .. you can't do that forever |
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| 21:31.23 | CyberShadow | ok. |
| 21:31.24 | Tak | heh, I have too |
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| 21:31.33 | Tak | at least three at current count... |
| 21:31.34 | FLD | what was that GUI to aot |
| 21:31.35 | FLD | apt |
| 21:31.39 | FLD | not aptitude |
| 21:31.43 | FLD | what was it? |
| 21:31.46 | valdyn | CyberShadow: latest untested stuff is often on alioth |
| 21:31.47 | abrotman | synaptic |
| 21:31.51 | FLD | ok thx byt |
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| 21:31.58 | abrotman | drive by Q&A |
| 21:31.59 | m0p | Damnit, Debian keeps resetting my DNS settings! :( |
| 21:32.05 | abrotman | you do |
| 21:32.07 | amorphix | im having trouble guys |
| 21:32.08 | abrotman | home |
| 21:32.13 | Tak | seeya |
| 21:32.15 | stew | !beer abrotman |
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| 21:32.22 | abrotman | stew: you broke it! |
| 21:32.24 | stew | oh who broke that one |
| 21:32.24 | dodophobic | CroatianNinja: http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html |
| 21:32.32 | Lee__ | how would I reconfigure exim? |
| 21:32.33 | darkcmd | how can I install the package that allows me to get the java webfrontend to VNC |
| 21:32.34 | abrotman | !literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 21:32.34 | dpkg | CMD: beer (.*?) is ($1|passes $1 a fresh, icy cold bottle of Bluetongue): <action> (blesses $1 with a Yuengling Lager|cracks open a can of Boddingtons for $1|pours a thick, black pint of Guinness for $1, to be sure|deftly decants a fine La Maudite for $1) |
| 21:32.34 | _dominik | a beer would be fine |
| 21:32.37 | amorphix | I have one of those mouse pointer things (IBM ThinkPad style) in my keyboard, what option would that be in xserver config for mouse? |
| 21:32.38 | mrdeath | i have an lvm volume. and the fastest speed in copying process from it is about 2Mb. anybody has the same problem? |
| 21:32.50 | valdyn | Lee__: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:32.51 | CroatianNinja | dodophobic, thanks |
| 21:32.52 | abrotman | stew: obviously .. someone is an idiot :) |
| 21:32.56 | Lee__ | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:32.58 | dodophobic | np |
| 21:33.01 | abrotman | @literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 21:33.02 | ravenbird | "cmd: beer (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (blesses $1 with a Yuengling Lager|cracks open a can of Boddingtons for $1|pours a thick, black pint of Guinness for $1, to be sure|deftly decants a fine La Maudite for $1)" |
| 21:33.09 | valdyn | amorphix: did you try /dev/input/mice yet? |
| 21:33.11 | abrotman | stew: steal it from ravenbird |
| 21:33.15 | stew | @beer me |
| 21:33.22 | amorphix | valdyn: yeah :-/ |
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| 21:34.09 | mrdeath | no suggestions? |
| 21:34.27 | Tak | mrdeath - you have dma enabled and all that? |
| 21:34.49 | mrdeath | Tak, yep :( |
| 21:34.50 | stew | !no cmd: beer (.*?) is ($1): <action> (blesses $1 with a Yuengling Lager|cracks open a can of Boddingtons for $1|pours a thick, black pint of Guinness for $1, to be sure|deftly decants a fine La Maudite for $1) |
| 21:34.51 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 21:35.15 | mrdeath | when i copy from nonlvm drive everything works great |
| 21:35.23 | Tak | hmm |
| 21:35.29 | Tak | dunno then |
| 21:36.42 | valdyn | amorphix: not sure why mine works, is the module "psmouse" loaded? |
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| 21:36.55 | amorphix | valdyn: good question |
| 21:37.06 | valdyn | amorphix: lsmod | grep psmouse |
| 21:37.17 | amorphix | thanks valdyn |
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| 21:39.00 | darkcmd | ok.. what package do I need for the vnc webfrontend |
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| 21:39.39 | eugenesan | hi all, is there dos2unix analog in debian? |
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| 21:40.20 | valdyn | eugenesan: probably, i only know "recode" |
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| 21:40.49 | stew | eugenesan: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
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| 21:41.39 | CharlesBrown | new version of bash and tar |
| 21:41.40 | CharlesBrown | jeez |
| 21:41.41 | CharlesBrown | lol |
| 21:41.47 | CharlesBrown | I didn't think those were ever updated. |
| 21:41.50 | darkcmd | Package vnc-java is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:41.51 | darkcmd | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 21:41.51 | darkcmd | is only available from another source |
| 21:41.51 | darkcmd | E: Package vnc-java has no installation candidate |
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| 21:42.26 | CyberShadow | how do I update the list of http/ftp mirrors for apt-setup? |
| 21:42.51 | drini | you can manually edit the /etc/apt/sources.list to add any url not provided by the program |
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| 21:43.27 | C17H21NO4 | p.d.o appears to be inaccessible, does anyone know if cgiproxy is packaged for testing? |
| 21:43.36 | revslowmo | fc-list |
| 21:43.37 | revslowmo | Verdana:style=Regular,Normal,obyÄejné,Standard,Κανονικά,Normaali,Normà |
| 21:43.40 | CyberShadow | drini: yes, I know that. That's not it. |
| 21:43.44 | revslowmo | why is fc-list doing that |
| 21:43.57 | revslowmo | its all screwed up |
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| 21:44.27 | valdyn | revenger_: screwed up? |
| 21:44.38 | revslowmo | valdyn: Yeah the output |
| 21:44.41 | valdyn | revenger_: you arent using a unicode capable terminal? |
| 21:44.52 | revslowmo | valdyn: gnome-terminal |
| 21:45.00 | valdyn | revslowmo: "locale" |
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| 21:45.14 | revslowmo | LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-15 |
| 21:45.39 | revslowmo | valdyn: Hmm... I just installed locale... did I select the wrong thing. |
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| 21:46.05 | valdyn | revslowmo: mm, i think gnome-terminal should be utf-8 capable, try a different font, like bitstream vera mono |
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| 21:46.16 | revslowmo | valdyn: ok |
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| 21:46.42 | valdyn | revslowmo: you may still need to set your locale to one containing UTF-8 |
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| 21:47.09 | revslowmo | valdyn: Which one should I select in locale. |
| 21:47.31 | valdyn | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 21:47.39 | revslowmo | valdyn: Ok |
| 21:47.43 | revslowmo | valdyn: Thanks |
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| 21:50.31 | revslowmo | valdyn: Do I have to restart X |
| 21:50.48 | miernik | what does it mean "packages.d.o up on saens"? what is saens? |
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| 21:51.31 | stew | miernik: saens.debian.org is another debian machine |
| 21:51.56 | calin | is it possible to alias a key press to represent a key combination? |
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| 21:52.09 | calin | like make the windows key actually be alt+f1? |
| 21:52.14 | CharlesBrown | Why isn't gnomebaker in debian/sarge repos? |
| 21:52.22 | miernik | stew: still doesn't work: szrenica:~# telnet saens.debian.org 80 |
| 21:52.25 | prcko | someone here that knows exim4 good |
| 21:52.37 | miernik | stew: ah, works but slooowly |
| 21:52.51 | stew | miernik: its a p2-350 with 512 megs of ram, i'm not suprised its slow |
| 21:52.53 | EfaistOs | does someone know what this message about : localhost kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 21:52.53 | EfaistOs | Message from syslogd@localhost at Tue Apr 5 23:54:14 2005 ... |
| 21:52.53 | EfaistOs | localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 21:53.16 | calin | you need better cooling |
| 21:53.26 | calin | isn't it obvious? |
| 21:53.28 | calin | jesus |
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| 21:54.15 | valdyn | revslowmo: no, just "export LC_ALL=en_US" in your gnome-terminal |
| 21:54.23 | valdyn | revslowmo: no, just "export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8" in your gnome-terminal |
| 21:54.28 | eugenesan | hi all, anyone knows what is wrong with PHP 4.3.10-9 it eats x10 more CPU time... |
| 21:54.39 | omnistegan | I'm pissed, I just installed the lilo package and it erased my entire debian menu! :@ |
| 21:54.58 | sinoth | can anyone tell me the name of the console program that lets you modify your rc#.d scripts? |
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| 21:56.00 | S4nD3r_ | Hi. My computer at home, theres no internet access. Is it possible to install the same software which is installed im my office?? How to do? |
| 21:56.10 | directhex | apt-zip i epxect |
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| 21:56.59 | dodophobic | directhex: apt-cdrom |
| 21:57.12 | dodophobic | try the man pages for the thing |
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| 21:57.17 | directhex | whatever. debian without the intarweb would suck. |
| 21:57.25 | calin | si |
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| 21:58.37 | dodophobic | S4nD3r_ apt-cdrom try the man pages |
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| 22:01.05 | kuribas | How is this possible: the gdm Xsession script executes Xmodmap ~/.xmodmap, but it has no effect on my X session? |
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| 22:01.38 | kuribas | but when I manually type xmodmap, it is ok. |
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| 22:03.10 | kuribas | anyone? |
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| 22:04.53 | Nirkus | hm |
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| 22:05.12 | Nirkus | is the js-schole fixed in mozilla-firefox-1.0.2-2 or not? |
| 22:05.13 | YveDeLarc | kuribas: what makes you think Xsession has actually executed xmodmap? |
| 22:05.26 | Nirkus | didnt get it from the changelog |
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| 22:05.40 | streuner | Nirkus: what does BTS say? |
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| 22:05.47 | kuribas | YveDeLarc: I modified the Xsession script... |
| 22:06.06 | kuribas | YveDeLarc: so it put a line into .xsession-errors |
| 22:06.07 | nightfox | ...... |
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| 22:06.38 | YveDeLarc | kuribas: did you modify it to start sh with the -x option? that might provide insight. |
| 22:07.42 | prcko | is anyone that knows about exim4 problems in sid when new -5 version came out |
| 22:07.43 | Nirkus | the bug is listed as outstanding |
| 22:07.48 | Nirkus | streuner: |
| 22:07.50 | kuribas | YveDeLarc: which sh? |
| 22:08.09 | streuner | Nirkus: good, send a patch |
| 22:08.41 | Nirkus | streuner: but the chanelog talks about security-fixes: * Last upload should of been marked urgency=high because of the security fixes. |
| 22:08.55 | dondelelcaro | Nirkus: yes, but that was the last upload, not this one. |
| 22:08.58 | Nirkus | there's a patch already -- i think |
| 22:09.22 | YveDeLarc | '#!/bin/sh' in the beginning. You may also bracket the relevant code portion with 'set -x' / 'set +x' in the Xsession.d file (I believe it's 40xfreeblablaxmodmap) |
| 22:09.43 | Nirkus | yah, sry ... so it isn't fixed yet. thx streuner, don_inlab |
| 22:09.45 | Nirkus | argh |
| 22:09.48 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 302775 |
| 22:09.51 | dpkg | #302775:G[mozilla-firefox] JS can access any firefox memory (patch, security) Sat, 2 Apr 2005 21:03:02 UTC |
| 22:10.00 | Nirkus | sry don_inlab , thx dondelelcaro |
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| 22:10.14 | kuribas | YveDeLarc: actually it's not in 40xblahblah, it's written directly |
| 22:10.20 | revslowmo | how come free doesn include slab info. |
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| 22:11.01 | YveDeLarc | kuribas: Debian stable? I'm using sid, sorry. |
| 22:11.02 | dondelelcaro | revslowmo: because it doesn't? If you want it to, ask for it and provide a patch. Or use slabtop |
| 22:11.14 | kuribas | YveDeLarc: unstable ... |
| 22:11.34 | YveDeLarc | kuribas: hu? strange. My /etc/X11/Xsession does not contain xmodmap. |
| 22:12.04 | kuribas | YveDeLarc: actually gdm uses /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession |
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| 22:12.09 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 22:12.14 | kuribas | YveDeLarc: or so I believe |
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| 22:12.31 | grendal_prime | i can now alter the way sound plays back but its even more garbled |
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| 22:12.48 | YveDeLarc | kuribas: ah sorry... I was confused. |
| 22:13.04 | mohd | Hi |
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| 22:13.27 | YveDeLarc | kuribas: try replacing '#!/bin/sh' at the beginning of that script with '#!/bin/sh -x' and staring at the session log. |
| 22:13.33 | mohd | what is the problem with epatent |
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| 22:13.42 | kuribas | YveDeLarc: ok, I'll try |
| 22:13.43 | mohd | i don't understand this topic |
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| 22:14.54 | Ironwalker | why? |
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| 22:17.05 | sinoth | can anyone tell me the name of the console program that lets you modify your rc#.d scripts? |
| 22:17.29 | directhex | update-rc.d |
| 22:17.44 | kuribas | YveDeLarc: xmodmap was executed |
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| 22:17.57 | jclinton | Anyone up for a conspiracy moment? Anyone know the meaning of this cryptic message? telnet time.nist.gov 78 ????? |
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| 22:18.22 | calin | OMFG, fucking webserver |
| 22:18.36 | jclinton | calin: you run a porn server? |
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| 22:18.40 | YveDeLarc | kuribas: hmm. |
| 22:18.54 | kuribas | YveDeLarc: somehow it effect was undone |
| 22:18.54 | directhex | jclinton, try visiting "about:mozilla" in msie 5.5 |
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| 22:19.06 | jclinton | don't have ie 5.5 |
| 22:19.13 | jclinton | just 6 around here somewhere |
| 22:19.14 | m0p | I am not sure if this is the right channel for it, but does anyone know how to stop my DNS settings changing on their own randomly? I set them up earlier, then changed them recently. But they keep reverting to their old settings for no reason I can percieve. :( |
| 22:19.18 | YveDeLarc | kuribas: interesting. |
| 22:19.50 | server16 | I'm getting for a sarge installation, does anyone know which driver to choose for xfree that will make the x server work right after installation, the video card is a ati radeon 9200 on an aopen ax4c max motherboard |
| 22:19.59 | directhex | jclinton, pre or post sp2? |
| 22:20.00 | kuribas | YveDeLarc: I'll try setting xmodmap to verbose ... |
| 22:20.01 | pureone | jclinton that is a strange deamon |
| 22:20.13 | YveDeLarc | kuribas: sounds like a good idea to me |
| 22:20.18 | directhex | server16, in theory, just the supplied ati driver |
| 22:20.31 | server16 | ok cool, thx |
| 22:20.38 | grendal_prime | ok another 3 hours shot down the shitter |
| 22:20.44 | YveDeLarc | kuribas: I also suggest dumping xmodmap status at various later points in session startup. |
| 22:21.05 | jclinton | pureone: i know it's so strange |
| 22:21.18 | calin | i run a webserver and occationally no matter what URL i visit it resolves to me, but it is fixed when i turn off the webservcer |
| 22:21.19 | jclinton | pureone: i wonder if it is someone just playing a game on us :) |
| 22:21.21 | calin | it's happening alot |
| 22:21.55 | jclinton | directhex: post |
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| 22:22.12 | directhex | jclinton, oh, microsoft removed it post-sp2 |
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| 22:22.16 | jclinton | pureone: there's nothing on google about it either |
| 22:22.27 | jclinton | directhex: what was it? |
| 22:22.33 | llahm | Hello. What is the POSIX system / library call that returns file size in bytes? |
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| 22:23.03 | llahm | directhex: removed what? |
| 22:23.21 | directhex | jclinton, llahm, http://fpi.sytes.net/~tomo/cgi-bin/blog/archives/about_mozilla_on_ie.jpg |
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| 22:23.31 | pureone | need to find a rfc on that protocol |
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| 22:23.42 | tix64 | llahm: stat(2)? |
| 22:23.48 | StR | hi there.... |
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| 22:23.55 | StR | what is the name of the bind package? |
| 22:24.11 | directhex | jclinton, so the question is, what is about.moz and why is it in mshtml.dll |
| 22:24.11 | llahm | tix64: I looked but none of the members of the stat struct contained file size. |
| 22:24.35 | StR | what is the diff between bidn and bind9? |
| 22:24.40 | llahm | tix64: oops I missed one |
| 22:24.44 | llahm | tix64: lol |
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| 22:24.54 | llahm | tix64: today has been a really long boring day :-) |
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| 22:26.13 | McLamb | is there a way to do a command that opens another window, like rdesktop for example so that it doesn't lock up the console? |
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| 22:26.23 | directhex | add an & at the end of the command |
| 22:26.27 | directhex | i.e. foobar & |
| 22:26.34 | McLamb | thanks |
| 22:26.59 | Guerin | StR: 9 |
| 22:27.14 | foobared | directhex: stop talking about me :) |
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| 22:27.19 | McLamb | works prefectly :) |
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| 22:27.43 | StR | Guerin: should I use bind9? |
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| 22:28.49 | StR | and where should I save my hosts files? |
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| 22:31.16 | Guerin | StR: yes |
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| 22:31.28 | caphuso | oh my god |
| 22:32.14 | caphuso | we now have an official microsoft binary in non-free |
| 22:32.23 | directhex | which one? |
| 22:32.25 | Di``` | how can i know if my kernel contains device-mapper ? |
| 22:32.29 | caphuso | !info pptview |
| 22:32.44 | dpkg | pptview: (view PowerPoint slide shows), section non-free/text, is optional. Version: 8.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1748 kB, Installed size: 3636 kB |
| 22:32.44 | directhex | updating debian files... please wait |
| 22:33.16 | directhex | is that just the .exe binary, with a depends on wine? |
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| 22:33.20 | directhex | !depends pptview |
| 22:33.22 | dpkg | pptview: depends on wine |
| 22:33.33 | directhex | dirty |
| 22:33.34 | caphuso | directhex: yes |
| 22:33.44 | Guerin | wtf |
| 22:33.54 | directhex | then again, was msttcorefonts the tip of the iceberg? |
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| 22:33.59 | directhex | !maint pptview |
| 22:34.01 | dpkg | pptview: Shaun Jackman <sjackman@debian.org> |
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| 22:34.05 | caphuso | Microsoft PowerPoint Viewer 97, Version 8,0, Copyright @1992-1996 Microsoft Corporation |
| 22:34.14 | mdke | where's the debian documentation for APACHE, does anyone know? |
| 22:34.16 | streuner | argh |
| 22:34.23 | Guerin | !helpfile apache |
| 22:34.24 | dpkg | For help with apache, look in /usr/share/doc/apache There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 22:34.43 | mdke | !helpfile apache2 |
| 22:34.44 | dpkg | For help with apache2, look in /usr/share/doc/apache2 There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
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| 22:35.05 | mdke | Guerin, is that all there is? |
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| 22:36.06 | tix64 | mdke: well if you have apache(2)-doc installed, then this should be enough. |
| 22:36.14 | mdke | ah |
| 22:36.22 | caphuso | i think if any maintainer != sjackman@.d.o ever complains about stupid upstream, anyone can tell him "stop complaining, could be worse" |
| 22:36.23 | mdke | tix64, are those debian specific or apache docs do you know? |
| 22:36.52 | tix64 | mdke: mostly apache documentation. be sure to read the README.Debian |
| 22:36.52 | llahm | caphuso: what does sjackman maintain |
| 22:37.03 | caphuso | llahm: pptview |
| 22:37.06 | mdke | tix64, right yeah I'm reading that atm, it looks helpful |
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| 22:37.19 | spauldo | hey, I'm buildin' a machine for a newbie - what's a good gnome GUI frontend to apt? |
| 22:37.19 | mdke | tix64, Guerin, thanks |
| 22:37.26 | mdke | synaptic |
| 22:37.31 | mdke | _amazing_ |
| 22:37.38 | llahm | caphuso: that sounds like it's ms related |
| 22:37.43 | llahm | caphuso: is it? |
| 22:37.46 | caphuso | llahm: indeed |
| 22:37.58 | llahm | caphuso: ouch |
| 22:38.12 | llahm | caphuso: although java maints have it almost as bad |
| 22:38.14 | caphuso | llahm: it's microsoft's old powerpoint viewer |
| 22:38.15 | spauldo | mdke: cool, I'll give that a shot, thanx |
| 22:38.31 | mdke | spauldo, you won't regret it |
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| 22:39.20 | Guerin | did anyone mention apache-doc yet? |
| 22:39.28 | Guerin | i got distracted by my cup of tea |
| 22:39.46 | llahm | caphuso: did they used to make a *nix version? |
| 22:39.52 | caphuso | llahm: no |
| 22:40.13 | llahm | caphuso: hmm so how did sjackman make this work? |
| 22:40.24 | caphuso | llahm: Depends: wine |
| 22:40.33 | llahm | caphuso: I usually just open those with OOo |
| 22:40.43 | Guerin | i usually just delete them |
| 22:40.47 | llahm | caphuso: but of course it's missing stuff |
| 22:40.54 | llahm | Guerin: when i can, when i can ;-) |
| 22:41.19 | caphuso | llahm: i'm quite sure the pptviewer for office 97 misses a lot of stuff too, on any modern powerpoint slide |
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| 22:41.44 | llahm | caphuso: i believe the format is the same as 97 |
| 22:41.51 | llahm | caphuso: powerpoint does not evolve |
| 22:42.00 | llahm | caphuso: it's the same bad app year after year |
| 22:42.02 | directhex | there's a pptview xp available from upstream |
| 22:42.06 | directhex | man, debian is so OOLLLDD |
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| 22:42.26 | caphuso | directhex: haha |
| 22:42.32 | directhex | :) |
| 22:42.37 | directhex | s' true, too |
| 22:42.40 | directhex | or was it 2003 |
| 22:42.53 | directhex | either way, upstream > 8.0 |
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| 22:45.08 | llahm | directhex: wonder if the license changed |
| 22:45.19 | llahm | directhex: might have to file a GNAA-style troll bug |
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| 22:46.29 | CyberShadow | "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" What do I need to install? |
| 22:46.35 | caphuso | CyberShadow: xlibs-dev |
| 22:46.36 | Di``` | how can i know if my kernel contains device-mapper ? |
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| 22:46.39 | CyberShadow | thanks |
| 22:46.45 | Huafa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.58 | directhex | llahm, i for one welcome our new gnaa overlords |
| 22:47.00 | travisat | 6 letters |
| 22:47.03 | directhex | frisht posht! |
| 22:47.08 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 22:47.08 | dpkg | Slackware 0wnz! |
| 22:47.17 | directhex | Huafa, ubuntu releases on a date basis, debian on a quality basis |
| 22:47.19 | Jagobah | lol |
| 22:47.26 | Guerin | Huafa: they're as different as blue and green |
| 22:47.27 | Gnea | Huafa: debian is debian, ubuntu is the debian 'system' refurnished and repackaged |
| 22:47.47 | directhex | Guerin, neither is red? |
| 22:47.56 | Huafa | well so what is best to use? |
| 22:48.00 | Guerin | directhex: clearly not. |
| 22:48.06 | Guerin | Huafa: debian, naturally. |
| 22:48.06 | Gnea | define 'best' |
| 22:48.11 | Gnea | because the word 'best' is relative |
| 22:48.11 | Guerin | what a stupid question |
| 22:48.16 | Gnea | no kidding |
| 22:48.19 | streuner | Huafa: are you trolling or is that a serious question? |
| 22:48.32 | Huafa | \serious |
| 22:48.40 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:48.43 | Huafa | ill tell you what im up to |
| 22:48.50 | Gnea | Huafa: consider this - is a 12pack of beer the 'best' way to cure a disease? |
| 22:49.00 | Dynamo | Huafa: ubuntu has copied us, otherwise what it's the meaning of create a distro that already exists |
| 22:49.10 | directhex | Gnea, it can be, it's certainly the most fun |
| 22:49.12 | travisat | Gnea: if that disease is soberness than yes |
| 22:49.26 | Huafa | im a n ew user and ive been told that debian is very good distro but hard for new ones so i've been told to use ubuntu that is like debian |
| 22:49.31 | Gnea | replace one disease with another? |
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| 22:49.56 | llahm | directhex: i was thinking it'd be a fun senior project to code a /. monitor / first post maker so i could join gnaa |
| 22:50.12 | qdc | llahm no that wont be fun |
| 22:50.17 | Gnea | Huafa: it depends upon your level of computer knowledge and how willing you are to learn something new |
| 22:50.18 | directhex | Huafa, to most usability extents and purposes, ubuntu is debian unstable with four pre-selected packages, and some new artwork |
| 22:50.22 | tix64 | Huafa: well, just try installing both. then chose the one you like better. |
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| 22:50.44 | mud | i did an apt-get install fluxbox and it works but when i do fluxbox-generate_menu i get command not found error??anyone use fluxbox? |
| 22:50.53 | AdrianLP | Can anyone recommend a good multi protocol IM program? I tried kopete, but its really buggy. |
| 22:51.03 | directhex | AdrianLP, gaim? |
| 22:51.04 | Gnea | directhex: but it's not going to use the exact same sources without breaking |
| 22:51.07 | mud | gaim |
| 22:51.14 | CyberShadow | AdrianLP: gaim! |
| 22:51.18 | AdrianLP | Ok, I shall try gaim. |
| 22:51.19 | Gnea | AdrianLP: gaim |
| 22:51.24 | Henning | bitlbee :p |
| 22:51.37 | Gnea | gaim > * |
| 22:51.44 | Huafa | ok thanks all |
| 22:51.49 | Henning | It may not exactly qualify as a IM program in the traditional sense though. |
| 22:51.57 | p8m | Use a jabber client! |
| 22:51.58 | CyberShadow | miranda > gaim, but that's win32 only :( |
| 22:51.59 | Gnea | nice |
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| 22:52.07 | AdrianLP | Silly Kopete, does all sorts of nastiness. Incomming yahoo message are often in HUGE fonts when the user only sends in 10 pixel, and gets errors about encoding from some users but not all, etc. |
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| 22:52.13 | llahm | qdc: why not? |
| 22:52.16 | Gnea | CyberShadow: in that case miranda < gaim |
| 22:52.16 | p8m | Jabber has transports for most protocols |
| 22:52.22 | Gnea | since gaim is multiplatform |
| 22:52.32 | Dynamo | Huafa: ubuntu created a linux purely based on debian all seems too similar is the same that I take debian I delete its base name I call it Dynamo Linux |
| 22:52.34 | CyberShadow | Gnea: :) |
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| 22:53.15 | mud | haha |
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| 22:54.23 | SexyKen | Hey -- does anyone know how to make tomcat run as root? |
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| 22:55.18 | directhex | SexyKen, depends. give me your root password and i'll do it. it's roughly as secure as what you're asking |
| 22:55.24 | dataw0lf | SExyKen: yeah, that's a great idea. |
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| 22:56.00 | kingsley | Which backup utility, if any, can maintain rolling incremental backups, like rdiff-backup, but of a Microsoft file system? |
| 22:56.04 | SexyKen | Well -- I guess I'm not too smart ;-) |
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| 22:56.29 | Dynamo | debian is too good to be compared with other distro |
| 22:56.49 | mdke | should there be a /etc/defaults/useradd on my system? I can't find this file and I'm not getting a home directory created by default when I add user |
| 22:57.09 | dondelelcaro | mdke: no, there shouldn't. |
| 22:57.18 | dondelelcaro | mdke: furthermore, you should be using adduser, not useradd. |
| 22:57.25 | mdke | dondelelcaro, how come? |
| 22:57.36 | tix64 | Dynamo: huh? that's a pretty arrogant point of view. if it's so good, then comparisons shouldn't be a problem, no? |
| 22:58.13 | dataw0lf | at least he didn't say the forbidden 'G' word. |
| 22:58.19 | dondelelcaro | mdke: /etc/defaults/ is for modulating init.d scripts, not random executables. As far as adduser instead of useradd, adduser has a bunch of features that make it more useful, not to mention the fact that it interacts better with Debian. |
| 22:58.48 | tix64 | mdke: and it has a config file (/etc/adduser.conf). |
| 22:58.55 | mdke | dondelelcaro, hmm, i was just going by the manual page for useradd, and I wasn't aware of the adduser program because it is not standard afaik |
| 22:59.03 | Dynamo | tix64: yes, but some people doesn't think the same |
| 22:59.09 | dondelelcaro | mdke: it's standard in Debian. It's not standard elsewhere. |
| 22:59.19 | mdke | that's what I mean dondelelcaro |
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| 22:59.58 | mdke | dondelelcaro, surely random deviation from linux standard is not desirable? |
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| 23:00.21 | sparr_ | what kind of situation would result in a kernel image package being updated? |
| 23:00.37 | directhex | sparr_, security |
| 23:00.49 | tix64 | mdke: huh? it is an additional tool. the "standard" useradd is still there and functioning. |
| 23:00.52 | dondelelcaro | mdke: this isn't "random deviation" though. It's well thought out, controlled improvement. Debian won't hold it's users hostage to stupid or suboptimal decisions made in the past. |
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| 23:01.24 | sparr_ | directhex: a security patch that didnt result in a new kernel revision? |
| 23:01.35 | mdke | tix64, dondelelcaro, might I venture to suggest this should be mentioned in the man page for useradd? |
| 23:01.45 | stew | mdke: and useradd works fine for those that want to use it |
| 23:01.47 | directhex | sparr_, generally, especially in the case of woody or sarge where version numbers for kernels are now final |
| 23:01.58 | sparr_ | im using 2.6.10-1-k7 |
| 23:02.06 | dondelelcaro | mdke: file a wishlist bug... it is mentioned in the Debian Reference... |
| 23:02.11 | mdke | stew, well not exactly, it doesn't have set defaults |
| 23:02.18 | mdke | dondelelcaro, ;) |
| 23:02.43 | stew | mdke: yeah, having it mentioned in useradd's seealso section seems like a good idea, file a bug |
| 23:02.55 | FarrisG | After running debian-installer on my brand new Xeon box from dHell (power edge sc 1425), upon reboot it gets to the "Real time clock driver v1.12" line and hangs. Any idea why? |
| 23:03.01 | mdke | the useradd manual page is quite keen on /etc/defaults/useradd |
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| 23:03.22 | mdke | anyway thanks for pointing me towards this other script |
| 23:03.24 | mdke | will check it out |
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| 23:03.42 | ctmnz | I have one question: How can I seen netbios name on PC in therenet ? |
| 23:03.50 | ctmnz | *ethernet |
| 23:03.54 | ctmnz | my LAN |
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| 23:05.45 | stew | actually the documentation for the passwd package does in fact direct you to use adduser over useradd... |
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| 23:06.28 | stew | wtf |
| 23:07.06 | sparr_ | i want to reconfigure (it got installed with the 'do nothing' options) exim4 up as a "complete" MTA, accepting incoming mail to local users, handling outbound mail from programs and users, etc. what do i need to do? |
| 23:07.27 | quittt | damn |
| 23:07.33 | quittt | I dont update my sarge for two months |
| 23:07.48 | caphuso | sparr_: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 23:08.08 | sparr_ | aha! |
| 23:08.13 | sparr_ | tried it on plain old exim4 and got noghint |
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| 23:10.39 | simonrvn | noghint..? |
| 23:10.48 | dvs | simonrvn: nothing. |
| 23:10.53 | SexyKen | How do you create a user with root access? |
| 23:10.59 | simonrvn | oh |
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| 23:11.13 | stew | SexyKen: why would you want to? |
| 23:11.14 | dvs | simonrvn: extreme dyslexia |
| 23:11.16 | Andro- | hey, i'm not getting something |
| 23:11.22 | Andro- | i've just installed mysql |
| 23:11.27 | SexyKen | How do you create a user with root access? |
| 23:11.36 | Andro- | i start it, and nmap localhost doesn't give my any 3306 port opened |
| 23:11.37 | Andro- | why? |
| 23:11.40 | dvs | SexyKen: sudo |
| 23:11.49 | simonrvn | @tell SexyKen -about repeat |
| 23:11.51 | SexyKen | That does create a user now does it dvs? |
| 23:11.59 | stew | Andro-: edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf and comment out skip_networking |
| 23:12.11 | dvs | SexyKen: No but it gives other users root priveledges |
| 23:12.11 | Henning | SexyKen: You don't create additional root users. It's a bad idea. It's dumb. It's pointless. |
| 23:12.15 | simonrvn | SexyKen: stupid idea. now go back to windows |
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| 23:12.22 | Henning | SexyKen: Use sudo if you need to give other users root for some reason. |
| 23:12.24 | Andro- | stew, i can still use phpmyadmin, normal or not ? |
| 23:12.28 | Andro- | (with this configuration) |
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| 23:12.44 | stew | Andro-: phpmyadmin must be using the unix domain socket then |
| 23:12.46 | tix64 | SexyKen: i guess you already have a user with root access, don't you? |
| 23:12.56 | SexyKen | Yes, tix. |
| 23:13.12 | tix64 | SexyKen: then, use that one. |
| 23:13.17 | northstar | anyone know of a tutorial on howto install windows on a dual-boot system?? |
| 23:13.35 | stew | northstar: uhh, wrong channel, try #windows |
| 23:13.51 | amorphix | eeek |
| 23:13.58 | FarrisG | just to make certain I'm not going crazy, I should be using the i386 installer and kernel on a Xeon machine, right? |
| 23:14.07 | stew | FarrisG: yes |
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| 23:14.12 | dvs | FarrisG: 686 will work too. |
| 23:14.20 | northstar | stew: uh... |
| 23:14.32 | Andro- | stew, in fact, i would like to use the socket, because of my postfix configuration, which has to access to my mysql db, and it keeps on saying "postfix/trivial-rewrite[1197]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)" |
| 23:14.33 | stew | FarrisG: once its installed you can apt-get a 686 specific kernel |
| 23:14.47 | FarrisG | thanks. So any idea why it would hang upon reboot at the "Real Time Clock Driver" line after the base install? |
| 23:15.01 | Andro- | and the file is there, and has the right perms |
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| 23:15.43 | nextime | Andro- : maybe rewrite on postfix run chrooted? |
| 23:15.51 | nextime | ( look at master.cf ) |
| 23:15.52 | stew | Andro-: is it a mysql permissions problem maybe? are you looking at the mysql logs? |
| 23:16.17 | Andro- | i'm looking at postfix (mail.log) because mysql doesn't give me any log |
| 23:16.18 | Andro- | s |
| 23:16.33 | FarrisG | If I ctrl+c it continues on |
| 23:16.54 | amorphix | after 2 hours ive managed to get X running on my laptop after numerous failures due to the tracking mouse pointer |
| 23:16.57 | Andro- | nextime, it's a possibility |
| 23:17.01 | amorphix | and its slow as fcuk |
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| 23:17.26 | dvs | amorphix: What CPU? |
| 23:17.32 | amorphix | dvs: P166mmx |
| 23:17.37 | dvs | ouch |
| 23:17.38 | stew | Andro-: you can put log=/path/to/log and err-log=/path/to/err.log in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 23:17.40 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 23:17.51 | stew | Andro-: but if you are running postfix chrooted that would explain it |
| 23:17.53 | dvs | amorphix: And you're using GNOME or KDE? |
| 23:18.15 | z36ra | is there a way to start vncserver by ssh'ing to remote computer? |
| 23:18.19 | FarrisG | wow... Any time it tries to do anything Date/Clock related, it hangs |
| 23:18.22 | FarrisG | that is weird |
| 23:18.39 | amorphix | dvs: I'm not even sure, I think its gnome |
| 23:18.50 | dvs | amorphix: No wonder why it's slow |
| 23:19.01 | amorphix | ;-( |
| 23:19.09 | amorphix | i have 80 megs of ram |
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| 23:20.20 | amorphix | its not *that* slow really actually using it |
| 23:20.30 | amorphix | about the same as Windows 98, little bit slower maybe |
| 23:20.31 | Andro- | i don't know, it's default postfix configuration, i've never heard of postfix chrooted on debian |
| 23:20.35 | blackb0x | i think gnome on woody is quite impresif on p166 |
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| 23:21.03 | stew | Andro-: master.cf is the place to look |
| 23:21.04 | amorphix | im just used to my faster desktop i guess, i got this laptop for £20 last week |
| 23:21.18 | stew | Andro-: (and /usr/share/doc/postfix of course) |
| 23:21.19 | dvs | amorphix: $20? |
| 23:21.31 | amorphix | dvs: about $35 i guess |
| 23:21.35 | amorphix | from ebay |
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| 23:22.01 | amorphix | Toshiba Satellite Pro 460CDX |
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| 23:23.42 | Andro- | ho yeah, nextime was right, it was chrooted, i changed it in master.cf, thanks both of you =) |
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| 23:24.28 | amorphix | took about 40 seconds to start Mozilla |
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| 23:24.52 | crapola_ | could someone recommend to me a good smtp/pop3 server that doesn't require adding a unix account |
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| 23:25.14 | amorphix | actually the Gnome desktop looks a damn sight better than Windows 98 |
| 23:25.16 | Arafangion | crapola_, postfix. |
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| 23:25.21 | z36ra | found it |
| 23:25.23 | Arafangion | crackhead, And qpopper. |
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| 23:25.35 | Arafangion | crapola_, qpopper, I mean :) |
| 23:25.42 | WiFiTux | someone here has an Ipod and that works in Linux, maybe with gftpod? |
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| 23:25.46 | amorphix | dvs: what do u recommend i run in place of Gnome? |
| 23:25.47 | WiFiTux | gtkpod |
| 23:25.56 | rox | amorphix: xfce |
| 23:26.01 | yale-laptop | oh myyy X doesn't start, is there a configuration program? |
| 23:26.09 | directhex | !drxx yale-laptop |
| 23:26.10 | dpkg | yale-laptop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 23:26.15 | WiFiTux | yale-laptop, XF86Config |
| 23:26.20 | amorphix | rox: i wanted to put xfce on to start with but its not on the CD i have unfortunately and i have to wait for a network card |
| 23:26.33 | amorphix | someone suggested blackbox too |
| 23:27.08 | rox | amorphix: i'd say xfce and icdwm have overall the best features/weight ratio |
| 23:27.29 | amorphix | cool |
| 23:28.15 | amorphix | think i will install those then once i get network connection |
| 23:28.16 | quittt | GET TOGETHER ONE MORE TIMEE |
| 23:28.16 | Sirgado | does anybody uses spca5xx? i'm trying with a camera apparently supported, but i get only a blank display... :( |
| 23:28.16 | rox | amorphix: meaning, they are both reasonably lightweight, but still offer most functionlity of gnome and kde, apart from wizards and graphic config tools and similar moronic stuff |
| 23:28.25 | Sirgado | oh, is for a webcam |
| 23:28.33 | amorphix | :-) |
| 23:28.40 | amorphix | lightweight sounds good |
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| 23:28.51 | Guerin | WiFiTux: don't tell people to use xf86config, or X --config or whatever |
| 23:28.58 | Guerin | WiFiTux: just tell them to use drxx |
| 23:29.11 | LeoNerd | Hi all.. I've installed exim4, run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, yet none of the files in /etc/exim4 contain any of my settings... |
| 23:29.12 | deadcat | apparently ulimit and /etc/security/limits.conf dont do shit when you login via console. |
| 23:29.23 | LeoNerd | Instead they just contain the default values, with lots of DEBCONF macros in there. |
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| 23:29.34 | quittt | WINTERTIME LOVE... |
| 23:29.40 | LeoNerd | Also, I specifically ask for it _not_ to split the config, yet is splits it up. |
| 23:29.40 | amorphix | well guys this is my first venture into the world of Linux as desktop OS, thanks for all your patience and help today |
| 23:30.03 | stew | LeoNerd: had you previously editted the config by hand? |
| 23:30.04 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ok, they should learn what is really going on. But OK! |
| 23:30.20 | LeoNerd | Nope; this is a fresh install of exim4.. never had it on here before.. |
| 23:30.22 | deadcat | amorphix: dont know how? (= |
| 23:30.24 | Guerin | WiFiTux: only if you're prepared to talk them through resetting the md5 |
| 23:30.35 | amorphix | deadcat = greycat? |
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| 23:30.40 | yale-laptop | video card bus identifyer? |
| 23:30.40 | deadcat | amorphix: nope. |
| 23:30.42 | amorphix | ok |
| 23:30.44 | calljair | guys, how are you today? |
| 23:30.48 | Guerin | amorphix: no, deadcat is dead. greycat is grey. |
| 23:30.49 | yale-laptop | I ran lspci, but... |
| 23:30.51 | LeoNerd | Oddly enough dpkg-reconfigure remembers all my previous settings, yet none of those settings appear in /etc/exim4/ at all... |
| 23:30.52 | amorphix | hehe |
| 23:30.53 | stew | yale-laptop: leave it blank |
| 23:30.55 | WiFiTux | Guerin, it's on the top of the file. But as i said, OK> |
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| 23:31.06 | calljair | it is a application that can translate deutch to english for linux easy to access? |
| 23:31.10 | yale-laptop | stew: you sure :/ |
| 23:31.11 | LeoNerd | E.g. it remembers my domain is "leonerd.org.uk", yet that string does not exist in that dir at all.. |
| 23:31.14 | stew | LeoNerd: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 23:31.42 | calljair | LeoNerd, this exim4 can stay with no configuration right? |
| 23:31.57 | Guerin | WiFiTux: yeah, because it being clearly and prominently documented always means people get it |
| 23:31.57 | rox | LeoNerd: grep -r leonerd.org.uk /etc , see what file it's in |
| 23:32.06 | LeoNerd | No; I really would like to get exim4 working.. :) |
| 23:32.22 | calljair | LeoNerd, when I was installing the sarge netinst I select "do not configure it at this time" it is that somthing fatal? |
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| 23:32.39 | LeoNerd | I didn't say that, I specifically said "I want to set this up now.." |
| 23:32.40 | kasper | how do i change the default login manger from gdm to something different? |
| 23:32.51 | stew | yale-laptop: yes, unless you are on a ppc or something or if you have two video cards |
| 23:32.54 | Guerin | kasper: install something different |
| 23:32.59 | LeoNerd | Oh; this isn't a fresh install; I've been running debian for ~2 years now... just recently installed exim4.. |
| 23:33.06 | Guerin | !tell Althaser about away |
| 23:33.14 | rox | kasper: apt-get install wdm|kdm|xdm |
| 23:33.15 | kasper | Guerin: i did i've got e17 up and running but i just need to kill gdm @ startup and add entraced |
| 23:33.21 | calljair | guys I am looking for an application that can translate easily to manage, if can stay in the top at the desktop will be gret. Translate deutch to english and viceversa? |
| 23:33.23 | kasper | rox: ^ |
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| 23:33.25 | LeoNerd | rox: Err.. grep -r seems to get blocked in and doesn't return... it's idling on something... |
| 23:33.26 | calljair | or other languages? |
| 23:33.29 | Althaser | Guerin yeah sorry ;( i'm testing this for first time |
| 23:33.42 | bytecolor | is there a way to make bash NOT keep duplicate commands in it's history? I dont mean 'ignoredups', I mean like piping the history through uniq |
| 23:33.44 | calljair | someone recommend me one one time |
| 23:33.47 | LeoNerd | rox: But within /etc/exim4, it only exists once, and that's in update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 23:34.31 | calljair | anyone know about a application similar tthan "babylon Translator" but opensource and for linux? |
| 23:34.33 | kasper | rox: i've got entraced (from e17) up and working from console and from desktop as well but i just can't find where to add it to startup insid of gdm |
| 23:34.35 | LeoNerd | I wonder; is it still remembering when I installed debian ~2 years ago, when I said "don't set up exim now"..? |
| 23:34.37 | Sirgado | translate words or texts? |
| 23:34.43 | Guerin | calljair: browser with googlefish? |
| 23:34.58 | stew | LeoNerd: it is. /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 23:35.07 | Guerin | calljair: there's probably even a published api to googlefish that you can write a script around |
| 23:35.12 | calljair | Guerin, I know those options but I am looking for a application |
| 23:35.14 | LeoNerd | Yup; am trying that one now... |
| 23:35.15 | calljair | for Linux |
| 23:35.17 | Althaser | Guerin sorry |
| 23:35.23 | Guerin | Althaser: damn you to hell |
| 23:35.24 | Sirgado | for words I think dict is valid, but you need the data file withtranslation... I think, again, that babylon files are valid |
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| 23:35.27 | rox | kasper: wdm lets you chose your de on login and remembers it for the next time |
| 23:35.52 | calljair | Guerin, hmmm |
| 23:35.52 | calljair | I know that is a application that specific translate from german to english |
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| 23:36.17 | LeoNerd | Heh... confmiss doesn't help.. Have run it on both exim4 and exim4-config.. _still_ no change in my config... |
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| 23:36.40 | kasper | rox: i don't need to be able to login to enlightenment i just need to get the login manager for enlightenment(entranced) in gdm's place |
| 23:36.46 | rox | leonel: hmm, have you checked what the effective configuration when you run exim is? |
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| 23:36.58 | mud | got fluxbox workin its pretty sweet |
| 23:37.13 | LeoNerd | rox: Well, which files do I look in..? I have no exim4.conf; only a conf.d |
| 23:37.24 | LeoNerd | The files within conf.d still have their DEBCONF template tags inside... |
| 23:37.29 | leonel | rox, no I haven't juar |
| 23:37.43 | pshaggy | is there a faq dealing w/ cdburning using the new /media/cdrom and non scsi-emulation procedure? My google-fu is weak, apparently |
| 23:38.06 | pshaggy | s/faq/howto/ |
| 23:38.26 | stew | pshaggy: /media/cdrom has nothing to do with scsi-emulation or burning |
| 23:38.37 | stew | pshaggy: what kernel are you running? (uname -r) |
| 23:38.57 | yale-laptop | do I need to get my nvidia module working or am I just doing this all wrong? |
| 23:39.00 | LeoNerd | rox: It's as if the debconf script never runs its replacements on a standard template file; so the config I have sitting about is the raw un-substituted template example. |
| 23:39.01 | rox | LeoNerd: not sure about exim4 ... |
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| 23:39.12 | pshaggy | stew, 2.6.8-1-686-smp |
| 23:39.13 | LeoNerd | Mm.. :/ |
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| 23:39.32 | stew | pshaggy: don't use scsi emulation with 2.6, it was only needed for 2.4 |
| 23:39.45 | stew | !WikiFaq pshaggy UseCdBurner |
| 23:39.46 | dpkg | pshaggy: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseCdBurner or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:39.46 | LeoNerd | OKie... well, I'm not overly attached to exim.. Any suggestions for a simple MTA? |
| 23:39.58 | pshaggy | thanks, stew |
| 23:40.11 | LeoNerd | All I need is abililty to locally deliver via procmail, and allow outbound SMTP to use differnt domain name as local delivery. I do'nt need inbound SMTP at all... |
| 23:40.13 | rox | LeoNerd: postfix |
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| 23:42.06 | stew | LeoNerd: you can always dpkg -P --force-depends exim4 exim4-config && apt-get install exim4 ; to blow away the config and start over |
| 23:42.37 | CyberShadow | what's the hotkey to make a console process run in background (like ^Z but so it wouldn't stop)? |
| 23:42.42 | crashbg | can't just dpkg-reconfigure it? |
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| 23:43.00 | LeoNerd | crashbg: I've tried 6 times.. it runs and has no apparent effect. |
| 23:43.02 | Trev1 | Running Debian Sarge - Running cups - Looking for some commands such as cupsenable and cupsdisable for scripts I would like to run. Is there a package I can apt-get that would have these in it ? |
| 23:43.07 | dvs | CyberShadow: ^Z the bg |
| 23:43.11 | LeoNerd | Oh and now apt-proxy has died too... Just my luck... |
| 23:43.13 | Wyzard | CyberShadow: ^Z to suspend it and get your prompt back, then "bg" to resume it in the background |
| 23:43.13 | dvs | CyberShadow: ^Z, then bg |
| 23:43.23 | crashbg | CyberShadow, ^Z then %1 & :) |
| 23:43.33 | CyberShadow | thanks, all :) |
| 23:44.13 | cafuego | Time for a gigabit switch, transferring these DVDs via 100Mbit is just too slow. |
| 23:44.47 | crashbg | cafuego, then new harddrives :) |
| 23:44.47 | cafuego | !pop Guerin |
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| 23:45.03 | pshaggy | stew, when trying what it suggest (detect using: cdrecord -scanbus -dev=ATA) I get usage errors |
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| 23:45.04 | Wyzard | cafuego: Get some external SATA ports :-) |
| 23:45.08 | cafuego | crashbg: the drives are fast enough (though nearly full) |
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| 23:45.21 | Wyzard | pshaggy: "dev=ATA" -- no leading hyphen |
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| 23:45.26 | resiak | Trev1: apt-cache search cups |
| 23:45.43 | CyberShadow | checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 23:45.49 | Trev1 | resiak =) yea... that was prior tochecking here |
| 23:45.50 | CyberShadow | what does it want from me? |
| 23:45.56 | pshaggy | Wyzard, sorry, that was an IRC typo. No dash when I try |
| 23:46.04 | dvs | Wyzard: ATA |
| 23:46.05 | cafuego | Wyzard: My DVDRW's like ATAPI and not ATA. |
| 23:46.23 | Wyzard | pshaggy: I just ran "cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus" a few minutes ago and it worked for me |
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| 23:46.39 | warlem | hello |
| 23:46.45 | resiak | !find cupsenable |
| 23:46.47 | LeoNerd | Ahhh... Is debian's DNS upset currently..? I can't resolve ftp.uk.debian.org... |
| 23:46.48 | cafuego | CyberShadow: What are you com;iling? |
| 23:46.49 | Wyzard | cafuego: I've always used ATAPI -- didn't know there was an ATA transport until I followed the link in that factoid a few minutes ago -- but the ATAPI transport now doesn't work as non-root users, I believe |
| 23:46.50 | pshaggy | hmmmm, putting scanbus *after* dev fixed the problem |
| 23:46.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cupsenable' (1): (/usr/bin/cupsenable) in net/cupsys-client. |
| 23:46.55 | resiak | Trev1: ^^ |
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| 23:47.10 | Trev1 | resiak yea updatedb then find or locate cupsenable... no dice |
| 23:47.33 | Trev1 | I am assuming it is in an optional package.. of tools.. or something.. not ahuge deal.. |
| 23:47.47 | resiak | Trev1: Well, actually, dpkg just did update its files. |
| 23:47.48 | Wyzard | dvs: Any particular reason why you use ATA rather than ATAPI? |
| 23:47.57 | dvs | Wyzard: ATA had DMA |
| 23:47.59 | dvs | Wyzard: ATA has DMA |
| 23:48.10 | Wyzard | ah |
| 23:48.46 | crashbg | drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h:398: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw' makes pointer from integer without a |
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| 23:48.56 | Wyzard | dvs: Despite the fact that it describes itself as "Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface" ? :-) |
| 23:48.58 | resiak | Trev1: And, by an amazing coincidence, I have cupsys-client installed, and, amazingly, will@kryten:~$ which cupsenable gives /usr/bin/cupsenable |
| 23:49.06 | crashbg | :( |
| 23:49.07 | vladster | it says it is there when I run lsmod but the system does not see the mixer |
| 23:49.07 | dvs | Wyzard: yup |
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| 23:49.24 | cafuego | crashbg: a warning is not an error. |
| 23:49.39 | vladster | I have a vortex sound card, what do I need to get that working? |
| 23:49.53 | crashbg | yea but i wonder - why there are such an errors? |
| 23:49.53 | vladster | I installed after the main install |
| 23:49.53 | dvs | vladster: Do you know what chipset it uses? |
| 23:49.58 | vladster | 8830 |
| 23:50.01 | cafuego | crashbg: WARNINGS |
| 23:50.03 | CyberShadow | it seems not all files are available in the mirrors I set up in sources.list. what's the most complete and up-to-date mirror? |
| 23:50.04 | dvs | vladster: maker? |
| 23:50.07 | Trev1 | resiak --> apt-get install cupsys-bsd |
| 23:50.12 | cafuego | crashbg: For lots of reaons, mainly the C compiler. |
| 23:50.12 | Trev1 | That was the package. |
| 23:50.13 | resiak | Trev1: I HAVE IT INSTALLED |
| 23:50.17 | vladster | vortex aureal a3d |
| 23:50.24 | resiak | Trev1: Look at where dpkg says the file is: cupsys-client |
| 23:50.47 | vladster | lsmod says that it is there |
| 23:50.48 | dvs | vladster: I don't know that one. Does "lspci | grep audio" say anything? |
| 23:50.55 | Trev1 | resiak I found the package I needed =) cupsys-bsd |
| 23:51.00 | Trev1 | thanks =) |
| 23:51.09 | resiak | Trev1: So you didn't do apt-cache search first? |
| 23:51.14 | vladster | lspci |grep audio |
| 23:51.25 | resiak | Trev1: And are you named after everyone's favourite magician's spaceship? |
| 23:51.40 | Trev1 | yes, apt-cache search cups.. then I went ahead and did Ye Ole apt-cache show on a bunch of packages and.. tried some out. |
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| 23:51.56 | Trev1 | My name is Trevor... though my magic.. is somewhat limited =) |
| 23:52.05 | resiak | !tell Trev1 -about apt-file |
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| 23:52.14 | vladster | Aureal semiconductor VBortex 2 |
| 23:52.20 | resiak | !tell Trev1 -about search |
| 23:52.26 | vladster | vortex |
| 23:52.30 | resiak | Trev1: You're not ten times as slick as the last time we saw you? |
| 23:52.38 | dvs | vladster: lsmod? which module? |
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| 23:52.54 | Trev1 | /sigh |
| 23:53.00 | resiak | :) |
| 23:53.01 | Trev1 | thanks for the apt-file tip |
| 23:53.07 | resiak | Trev1: No problem. |
| 23:53.19 | vladster | snd_au8830 |
| 23:53.22 | directhex | !magical trevor |
| 23:53.24 | directhex | :( |
| 23:53.26 | Trev1 | preciate it =) more and more tools on a daily basis |
| 23:53.35 | dvs | vladster: Oh. ALSA. Have you run alsamixergui yet? |
| 23:53.37 | poonj | hey guys...I am using openoffice 1.1.4...but I want to add some fonts such as New Times Roman. However, these fonts exist in AbiWord.... |
| 23:53.49 | vladster | not yet |
| 23:53.51 | poonj | do the fonts exist in X or are they custom? |
| 23:53.52 | pshaggy | ok, so I can see my cdrw via cdrecord but k3b doesn't recognize it as a writer. What should i try now? |
| 23:54.01 | directhex | !magical trevor is ten times as slick as the last time, the last time you saw him, now you can see why we really adore him |
| 23:54.01 | dpkg | directhex: okay |
| 23:54.09 | resiak | !magical trevor is back, and he's got a new trick... http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/55/ |
| 23:54.09 | dpkg | ...but magical trevor is already something else... |
| 23:54.10 | directhex | poonj, try apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 23:54.12 | dvs | vladster: You need to so that you can unmute the channels and turn up the volume |
| 23:54.21 | crashbg | !magical $me |
| 23:54.23 | resiak | !magical trevor is also http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/55/ |
| 23:54.23 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
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| 23:54.41 | poonj | says the package is obsolete.. |
| 23:54.55 | directhex | poonj, then your config is broken |
| 23:54.58 | directhex | !info msttcorefonts |
| 23:55.00 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
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| 23:55.23 | vladster | alsamixergui? |
| 23:55.30 | dvs | vladster: yes |
| 23:55.31 | resiak | alsamixergui! |
| 23:55.41 | vladster | alsamixergui |
| 23:55.43 | directhex | i prefer gnome-alsamixer |
| 23:55.43 | cafuego | Hmmm, baked herb pigeon in red wine jus. |
| 23:55.58 | directhex | it uses tickboxes for yes-no mixers, instead of muted virtual volume controls |
| 23:56.43 | directhex | see http://apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section=three&browse=//Miscelaneous%20Junk/&image=alsamixer.png |
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| 23:57.34 | crashbg | yea? |
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| 23:58.58 | EvilSporkMan | does anyone know if bug 302775 affects all versions of firefox or just 1.0.2? It's holding me up from upgrading, along with bug 299486 |
| 23:59.39 | directhex | EvilSporkMan, all i think |
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| 23:59.50 | pureone | http://66.98.238.14/~compfuse/media/05fugln/scissorsmishap.wmv |
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