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`00:00.04`	`smagy2`	`abrotman: yes i did check before in the section of initiallizing linux parition, said nothing about reiserfs`
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`00:00.09`	`Guerin`	`toad: and don't use unstable at all, ever`
`00:00.31`	`Guerin`	`lapsey: here's an idea: how about you provide some meaningful information`
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`00:00.39`	`darxeth`	`finally! fucking samba`
`00:00.43`	`abrotman`	`drasko: dunno .. i've always just used the ipmasq package when i needed to do it in a hurry`
`00:00.44`	`CSWookie`	`Guerin: I like unstable.`
`00:00.44`	`q_a_z_steve`	`hello, just a quick question this time, What is the easiest thing to obtain linux commands on an XP box? Posix, Cygwin... better, quicker, more stuff... ls cat grep.`
`00:00.55`	`lizthegrey`	`Dependency problems are a PITA, and you will see them from time to time (but usually not extremely often). I'm a quite foolish person who likes to run unstable, but it's not suitable for someone who's beginning at Debian.`
`00:00.58`	`Guerin`	`CSWookie: so?`
`00:00.59`	`lapsey`	`Guerin: thats perfectly meaningful.`
`00:00.59`	`ArchitectSinan`	`I did "aptitude update" and after this "aptitude dist-upgrade". And i still get "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" error. I tried with 2 different deb mirrors. Same result :(`
`00:01.00`	`drasko`	`abrotman, tnx`
`00:01.05`	`darxeth`	`damn, that took me a day :>`
`00:01.11`	`CSWookie`	`Guerin: Merely a dissentng voice.`
`00:01.13`	`Solet-debian`	`why, whenever i move my mouse sideways does it scroll, and half the time it clicks on if i hover over something`
`00:01.13`	`abrotman`	`smagy2: might not be an option .. i avoid reiser like i avoid driving from the bottom side of a car`
`00:01.23`	`FieldySnuts`	`wrong mouse protocol`
`00:01.24`	`CSWookie`	`*dissenting`
`00:01.38`	`abrotman`	`or broken mouse`
`00:01.43`	`FieldySnuts`	`or broken user`
`00:01.48`	`Solet-debian`	`mouse works fine... tested it on another machine...`
`00:01.53`	`Guerin`	`CSWookie: that's noit dissenting at all. Dissenting would have been saying "Any idiot should use unstable, it never causes problems and doesn't require any special skill"`
`00:02.09`	`Guerin`	`CSWookie: that would, of course, be dead wrong, but nevertheless...`
`00:02.10`	`Solet-debian`	`user isnt great but....`
`00:02.10`	`Solet-debian`	`:P`
`00:02.12`	`CSWookie`	`Guerin: Ah. I misunderstood you.`
`00:02.15`	`smagy2`	`abortman: hmmn, can you please elaborate on the problems of reiserfs, i have been hearing raves about it , i was considering that or XFS on a production webserver`
`00:02.22`	`abrotman`	`!fs comparison`
`00:02.22`	`dpkg`	`filesystem comparison is, like, http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/`
`00:02.25`	`Gumby`	`does anyone here know how I can tell if my pcmcia slots on my laptop are 32bit capable?`
`00:02.30`	`abrotman`	`smagy2: should keep you busy for a while :)`
`00:02.31`	`Solet-debian`	`whats the command to detect the mouse thats plugged in... starts with an m but i cant remember`
`00:02.34`	`CSWookie`	`Guerin: I thought you mean you in the general "No one" use unstable, ever.`
`00:02.34`	`lizthegrey`	`Depends on how you read that last remark (you shouldn't be running unstable vs. nobody should be running unstable)`
`00:02.58`	`toad`	`Guerin: it seems fairly straightforward`
`00:03.03`	`Guerin`	`CSWookie: in principle, people shouldn't use unstable unless they know why they shouldn't use unstable`
`00:03.14`	`Guerin`	`toad: it is, until things break.`
`00:03.38`	`Guerin`	`Solet-debian: mdetect`
`00:03.42`	`lizthegrey`	`Exactly. Anyways, I signed on to look for Jonathan Oxer, because turck-mmcache needed to be rebuilt against the non-threadsafe php4 as of two weeks ago, and I haven't seen any activity. But he's not on right now.`
`00:03.42`	`toad`	`lizthegrey: i've been using debian for something like 5 years... unstable rarely gives serious problems`
`00:03.57`	`cafuego`	`toad: There hasn't been major breakage in unstable for the past 2 or so years... but there WILL be at some point. And a LOT of clueless morons will NOT be able fix their systems.`
`00:03.57`	`Solet-debian`	`Guerin: thx`
`00:04.05`	`lapsey`	`Guerin: what's so hard to understand about launching "gnome-terminal -x bash aBashScript.bash". The terms "launching" - as in a launcher; -x as in "execute everything after this switch"; "bash runsomething.bash" as in run a bash script. It's really not that hard to understand if you know anything about gnome or linux.`
`00:04.12`	`smagy2`	`abortman: i have seen the graphs in the first url, before and in most of the test reiserfs does well, i will look at the other url`
`00:04.31`	`abrotman`	`smagy2: i have issues with the way hans thinks reiserfs is bulletproof`
`00:04.43`	`darxeth`	`alright goodnight everyone`
`00:04.44`	`Solet-debian`	`ummm terminal says mdetect 'command not found'`
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`00:04.49`	`toad`	`Guerin: I read you as "nobody except package maintainers should ever run unstable"`
`00:04.52`	`lizthegrey`	`Since he's not here, I'd better cut out.`
`00:04.53`	`Guerin`	`lapsey: some details about what you're trying to run, how it fails, what error messages, if any, are shown, whether it's g-t which is dying before executing the script, etc...`
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`00:05.10`	`caphuso`	`abrotman: you mean "it's stable, because a carefully crafted benchmark shows it's 500 times faster than ext3"?`
`00:05.13`	`Guerin`	`toad: it's meant for developers, testers and bughunters`
`00:05.37`	`abrotman`	`caphuso: and .. "Who needs to fsck ... "`
`00:05.43`	`Guerin`	`Solet-debian: install it`
`00:05.46`	`lapsey`	`Guerin: sorry, "dies" as in gnome-terminal closes, no error messages, nothing.`
`00:05.47`	`smagy2`	`abortman: okay will read the other article, thanks for the infor`
`00:06.06`	`Guerin`	`lapsey: does g-t exit with an error status code?`
`00:06.12`	`CSWookie`	`I wish kenels compiled faster.`
`00:06.16`	`abrotman`	`smagy2: everyone will give you a different horror story about another FS .. it's ultimately up to you`
`00:06.20`	`toad`	`Guerin: so what do users use? the last stable release which is on average 2 years old?`
`00:06.23`	`cafuego`	`CSWookie: but they do!`
`00:06.26`	`Guerin`	`!filesystems`
`00:06.26`	`dpkg`	`Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and huge: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/`
`00:06.28`	`lapsey`	`Guerin: no, it just quits`
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`00:06.47`	`CSWookie`	`cafuego: Faster then the one compiling on my machine right now, on my machine right now?`
`00:06.48`	`Guerin`	`lapsey: you know how to check if something exited with an error status code, right?`
`00:06.57`	`CSWookie`	`s/then/than/`
`00:06.58`	`Guerin`	`lapsey: hint: it's not always displayed onscreen`
`00:06.59`	`lapsey`	`I am afraid not.`
`00:07.01`	`toad`	`Guerin: oh, I know! Users use ubuntu!!`
`00:07.03`	`cafuego`	`Hmm. XFS completely stalled the boot loader install on sarge rc3 last night.`
`00:07.07`	`Guerin`	`echo $?`
`00:07.17`	`Guerin`	`toad: no. Ubuntu users use ubuntu.`
`00:07.24`	`cafuego`	`CSWookie: yeah, try kernel 2.0 ;-)`
`00:07.39`	`toad`	`what do _debian_ users use? :)`
`00:07.46`	`caphuso`	`toad: redhat`
`00:07.47`	`masf`	`where i can find a good repositores for apt????`
`00:07.50`	`cafuego`	`toad: Woody and sarge.`
`00:07.55`	`CSWookie`	`cafuego: Nah. I've never used potato, and I don't plan to start.`
`00:07.56`	`cafuego`	`masf: apt-setup.`
`00:07.58`	`Guerin`	`masf: apt-setup`
`00:08.06`	`toad`	`right now, debian users use sarge. it's pretty solid, and pretty featureful`
`00:08.11`	`Solet-debian`	`ok lets see if it worked... brb`
`00:08.13`	`cafuego`	`CSWookie: Guaranteed to compile laster, though.`
`00:08.15`	`cafuego`	`faster too`
`00:08.21`	`toad`	`but what about a year after sarge is released? or a year after woody is released?`
`00:08.37`	`toad`	`i mean a year after woody was released`
`00:08.38`	`Guerin`	`toad: don't be silly, sarge will never release`
`00:08.40`	`cafuego`	`toad: A year after they are released, they will still work fine.`
`00:08.40`	`masf`	`ok`
`00:08.44`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: !fs comparison`
`00:08.44`	`masf`	`thanks`
`00:08.46`	`toad`	`~ 3 years before sarge`
`00:08.49`	`bented`	`Gumby: 32bit cards won't fit in 16 bit slots`
`00:08.57`	`CSWookie`	`I used woody once, and found it to be broken, with no chance of unbrokenry in sight. So I switched to sid, and things worked.`
`00:08.58`	`abrotman`	`!filesystem is also see fs comparison`
`00:08.58`	`dpkg`	`okay, abrotman`
`00:09.07`	`simonrvn`	`woody is already released`
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`00:09.17`	`toad`	`CSWookie: I switched to sid from testing for much the same reason in the potato era`
`00:09.21`	`CSWookie`	`when woody was testing.`
`00:09.31`	`cafuego`	`toad: woody has been out for what, 3 years? and it STILL works fine.`
`00:09.33`	`toad`	`CSWookie: well, once.. other times there were sid breakages :)`
`00:09.45`	`Flimzy`	`toad: I don't think sid existed until woody was released.`
`00:09.53`	`CSWookie`	`toad: I missed those time. I almost never apt-get update.`
`00:09.54`	`toad`	`Flimzy: well, "unstable" then`
`00:10.01`	`Flimzy`	`toad: 'testing' is a relatively new development. There used to be just stable and unstable.`
`00:10.06`	`Guerin`	`CSWookie: that's secure`
`00:10.14`	`toad`	`Flimzy: hmmm`
`00:10.41`	`CSWookie`	`Guerin: True. I'm much more worried about A and I, than I am about C.`
`00:10.55`	`toad`	`well, testing has given me more stability problems than unstable historically`
`00:11.02`	`Guerin`	`toad: bullshit`
`00:11.12`	`Flimzy`	`toad: That's very odd.`
`00:11.19`	`Flimzy`	`toad: And defies statistical probabilities.`
`00:11.19`	`Guerin`	`since you just stated that you hardly used testing`
`00:11.20`	`toad`	`it is, yes :)`
`00:11.39`	`toad`	`Guerin: fair enough`
`00:11.40`	`CSWookie`	`Guerin: Well, 1 v. 0 is still more.`
`00:11.46`	`Flimzy`	`toad: The only way that can be true is for very limited test periods with obscure software, or if you're a moron.`
`00:11.55`	`Guerin`	`CSWookie: but his data is clearly irrelevant`
`00:12.01`	`Flimzy`	`toad: And I don't mean by that to imply that YOU, personally, are a moron. :P`
`00:12.10`	`toad`	`it was some time ago, people learn`
`00:12.19`	`toad`	`no, but Guerin does :)`
`00:12.23`	`CSWookie`	`Guerin: statistically, yes.`
`00:12.26`	`caphuso`	`they really should teach statistics in school`
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`00:12.49`	`toad`	`how many users stick to stable? 10% of the userbase maybe?`
`00:12.49`	`Guerin`	`i studied statistics at school`
`00:12.55`	`Guerin`	`not very much of it`
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`00:13.04`	`Guerin`	`toad: anyone who cares about their server boxen`
`00:13.11`	`Flimzy`	`toad: It depends.`
`00:13.12`	`Guerin`	`toad: so I'd bet more than 10%`
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`00:13.16`	`Flimzy`	`toad: Anyone who runs servers uses stable.`
`00:13.19`	`CSWookie`	`Statistics taught me just enough to know that numbers are REALLY easy to massage.`
`00:13.20`	`CroatianNinja`	`how do i open a port in debian?`
`00:13.21`	`Gumby`	`bented: ok, thx :). any idea why a card that is put in wdoes not show up in cardctl info ?`
`00:13.31`	`Guerin`	`i use all three branches for different purposes, as do most people with a clue`
`00:13.32`	`Flimzy`	`toad: And as stable gets older, more non-server users switch to testing/unstable.`
`00:13.36`	`caphuso`	`CroatianNinja: by starting something that listens on that port, just like everywhere else`
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`00:13.47`	`Flimzy`	`toad: I use both stable and testing.`
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`00:14.17`	`Flimzy`	`toad: I have been known to use unstable from time to time, but I rarely mess with anything that bleeding edge any more, unless I need some specific functionality that doesn't exist in testing/stable (in which case I generally backport)`
`00:14.23`	`CroatianNinja`	`caphuso, i mean how do i allow communication on a port, like for GAIM file transfers`
`00:14.25`	`toad`	`Flimzy: testing is always at least as stable as unstable? and it always exists as a distinct self-contained distro?`
`00:14.26`	`CSWookie`	`I would likely use all three, if I had more than one computer.`
`00:14.35`	`Flimzy`	`toad: In theory`
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`00:14.52`	`toad`	`Flimzy: uhm, if I wanted to mess with backporting and doing it all myself, I'd use LFS...`
`00:14.52`	`caphuso`	`CroatianNinja: by letting gaim listen on that port`
`00:14.52`	`Xeon3D`	`Erm... would debian's i386 packages work on an Xbox running Xebian?`
`00:14.55`	`Flimzy`	`toad: For a package to become part of testing, it has to be in unstable for a certian amount of time without any major problems`
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`00:15.05`	`masf`	`bye`
`00:15.11`	`Guerin`	`toad: a random sample of testing will have less bugs and hassles in it than a random sample of unstable`
`00:15.15`	`Flimzy`	`toad: Good for you. It's too bad you lack a fundamental understanding, however.`
`00:15.19`	`CroatianNinja`	`caphuso, i dont need to do anything with iptables or hosts.allow or anthing?`
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`00:15.32`	`alfred0ne`	`hello`
`00:15.46`	`caphuso`	`CroatianNinja: certainly not hosts.allow, and iptables depends on if you actually use netfilter to do packet filtering`
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`00:16.06`	`toad`	`Flimzy: I _can_ compile stuff, or even make fake-packages, if I need to. that doesn't mean I want to have to maintain everything myself.`
`00:16.07`	`Flimzy`	`toad: If I'm running a server with stable installed, and I need some new functionality that exists only in unstable, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to reformat and install LFS. However it does make perfect sense to backport the specific package in question.`
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`00:16.25`	`toad`	`Flimzy: okay, that is sensible`
`00:16.30`	`longshot`	`why ctrl+alt+backspace make my machine standby ?`
`00:16.35`	`CroatianNinja`	`caphuso, how do i open a port using iptables?`
`00:16.36`	`Flimzy`	`toad: I'm not implying that you can't compile. I'm simply saying that you lack a fundamental understanding of packaging systems, and why they should be used, and when.`
`00:16.41`	`bented`	`Gumby: yeah, i probably can't help you there... what kernel are you running?`
`00:16.48`	`caphuso`	`CroatianNinja: you don't. iptables can't "open" ports`
`00:16.50`	`Flimzy`	`toad: Or perhaps you're just making completely bogus assumptions about when and why I would backport.`
`00:17.13`	`CroatianNinja`	`caphuso, well how do i allow file transfers on the AIM network?`
`00:17.16`	`Gumby`	`bented: 2.6.10-1-686`
`00:17.24`	`caphuso`	`CroatianNinja: so, first step: get rid of all that iptables crap you set up, then sit down and actually learn how the damn thing works`
`00:17.25`	`Guerin`	`toad: which is sad, given that you claim to have been using debian for 5 years`
`00:17.27`	`toad`	`Flimzy: possibly both. obviously not being a professional sysadmin I should wipe my debian system and install mandrake.`
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`00:17.32`	`Guerin`	`!thomas_adam's theorem`
`00:17.32`	`dpkg`	`i guess thomas_adam's theorem is a debian user's uselessness is directly proportional to the probability that s/he will mention "I've been using debian for X years, but I still can't..."`
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`00:17.42`	`caphuso`	`CroatianNinja: and after that you can rewrite your firewall script to do something meaningful`
`00:17.47`	`toad`	`heh`
`00:17.52`	`shadow98`	`how do you remove symbolic link`
`00:17.53`	`CroatianNinja`	`caphuso, i havent set anything up`
`00:17.55`	`Xeon3D`	`Erm... would debian's i386 packages work on an Xbox running Xebian?`
`00:17.57`	`Guerin`	`shadow98: man rm`
`00:17.57`	`toad`	`I still can't what, exactly?`
`00:17.59`	`caphuso`	`CroatianNinja: additional bonus: you no longer will look stupid by asking people how to "open ports"`
`00:18.01`	`longshot`	`why ctrl+alt+backspace make my machine standby ? it should only kill X nothing more`
`00:18.11`	`Guerin`	`Xeon3D: is an xbox an intel x86 compatible?`
`00:18.12`	`ejay`	`cze jest tu jakis polak????????????`
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`00:18.16`	`caphuso`	`CroatianNinja: uh, then you're not even using iptables?`
`00:18.20`	`toad`	`Guerin yes`
`00:18.38`	`Guerin`	`toad: ?`
`00:18.46`	`toad`	`Guerin: xbox is x86 compatible`
`00:18.51`	`Xeon3D`	`Guerin, in most parts.. yes.. :P`
`00:18.56`	`CroatianNinja`	`caphuso, if you dont "open ports" the what DO you do?`
`00:19.03`	`Guerin`	`Xeon3D: i guess it might, then.`
`00:19.05`	`Xeon3D`	`toad, not 100% tho...`
`00:19.08`	`caphuso`	`jesus christ`
`00:19.13`	`toad`	`in that it uses x86 hardware... software needs to be a bit different though, there's a Xebian`
`00:19.15`	`CSWookie`	`Well, it depends on what you use debian FOR. I mean, I use debian for my home terminal. So I don't have to learn how to do the sort of stuff I'd have to learn to make a production server.`
`00:19.19`	`bented`	`Gumby: do you get any enlightening errors from dmesg \| tail after you plug the card in?`
`00:19.30`	`caphuso`	`CroatianNinja: i already told you what you do`
`00:19.31`	`Gumby`	`bented: absolutely nothiing at all`
`00:19.45`	`toad`	`I use debian for my home server/workstation/game machine/thingy. I use it for work and play, and it runs 24x7 and hosts a few minor services.`
`00:19.48`	`nSe`	`do anybody have any idea about the new testing codename?`
`00:19.50`	`dli`	`caphuso, I still think firewall and psad should be there for n00b users`
`00:19.54`	`caphuso`	`nSe: etch`
`00:19.54`	`toad`	`I don't need 99.9% availability`
`00:19.57`	`Wyzard`	`CroatianNinja: If something is listening on a port and no firewall is blocking it, the port is open`
`00:20.03`	`caphuso`	`dli: nonsense`
`00:20.08`	`Guerin`	`dli: local firewalls are worthless`
`00:20.12`	`Wyzard`	`CroatianNinja: Debian doesn't install a firewall by default, and if you installed one yourself, you should read its documentation`
`00:20.16`	`Xeon3D`	`thanks toad and Guerin`
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`00:20.20`	`caphuso`	`dli: what good would a firewall to do a "n00b user"?`
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`00:20.22`	`toad`	`I also run testing on a friend who lives in the same house`
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`00:20.31`	`CroatianNinja`	`Wyzard, ok, now that was helpful`
`00:20.36`	`Guerin`	`toad: how does he like it when you "apt-get update" him`
`00:20.36`	`Guerin`	`?`
`00:20.38`	`CroatianNinja`	`Wyzard, thank you`
`00:20.45`	`dli`	`caphuso, n00b plays with packages, don't understand which port they open`
`00:20.47`	`Wyzard`	`caphuso: I run a local firewall because I occasionally connect my computer to other networks (i.e. at lanparties)`
`00:20.49`	`caphuso`	`dli: block access to ports that are closed anyways?`
`00:20.56`	`toad`	`on a friend's computer :)`
`00:21.01`	`caphuso`	`dli: make the computer "insible" to the internet?`
`00:21.08`	`toad`	`dual boot with windows...`
`00:21.27`	`Guerin`	`!kill shieldsUP`
`00:21.29`	`dli`	`caphuso, right, so, even if they installed a package and don't know how to configure it secure`
`00:21.36`	`caphuso`	`Wyzard: well, i'd just not run any services in that case. way more secure`
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`00:21.50`	`caphuso`	`dli: a firewall won't help there`
`00:21.50`	`Guerin`	`dli: debian's stock settings are generally secure`
`00:21.54`	`dli`	`caphuso, in my case, I didn't realize why I installed webmin`
`00:22.03`	`bented`	`Gumby: maybe you don't have the right modules loaded? like pcmcia i think?`
`00:22.03`	`Guerin`	`dli: why the FUCK NOT?`
`00:22.03`	`caphuso`	`dli: stupidity ;-)`
`00:22.07`	`toad`	`and I do backups roughly weekly`
`00:22.11`	`caphuso`	`that's the only reason to install webmin`
`00:22.17`	`Gumby`	`bented: I have other pcmcia cards working flawlesslt`
`00:22.20`	`Gumby`	`flawlessly`
`00:22.25`	`toad`	`but if users aren't supposed to use debian, I'll go use something else ;)`
`00:22.34`	`dli`	`caphuso, but interesting thing is that on most boxes, I have psad, all those without psad got rooted`
`00:22.37`	`bented`	`Gumby: ah, so it's just one in particular?`
`00:22.51`	`Gumby`	`bented: yep, just one specific card`
`00:22.52`	`Guerin`	`!info psad`
`00:22.54`	`toad`	`maybe I'll set it to testing the next time I reinstall`
`00:23.01`	`Wyzard`	`caphuso: Well, this is a sort of half-desktop half-workstation half-server... I have things like Apache and PostgreSQL and Samba because I actually do use them`
`00:23.08`	`caphuso`	`dli: pure coincidence`
`00:23.10`	`dpkg`	`psad: (The Port Scan Attack Detector), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.4.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 227 kB, Installed size: 1680 kB`
`00:23.14`	`dli`	`Guerin: yes, I didn't do anything, other than installing webmin, by default debian settings, not secure`
`00:23.15`	`poh`	`While I was booting, I lost power and now init freezes at syslogd, and I don't know what to look at to fix`
`00:23.15`	`caphuso`	`Wyzard: on a lan party?`
`00:23.18`	`toad`	`after a release, testing is identical to stable, right?`
`00:23.42`	`Wyzard`	`caphuso: No, in general... but I'm not going to go shut down a bunch of things just because I'm at a lanparty`
`00:23.50`	`Guerin`	`dli: why did you install webmin?`
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`00:24.02`	`caphuso`	`Wyzard: that's silly`
`00:24.15`	`dli`	`caphuso, at least, save those passwd guessing by ssh`
`00:24.19`	`caphuso`	`you know, there's a reason why we got a couple of runlevels`
`00:24.20`	`dli`	`Guerin, no idea`
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`00:24.36`	`Guerin`	`dli: then you shouldn't be blaming webmin for your own foolishness`
`00:24.41`	`Guerin`	`honestly`
`00:24.43`	`dli`	`Guerin, might be lpadmin, or webmin-lpadmin`
`00:24.46`	`bented`	`Gumby: really seems like that'd imply the card was defective, don't you think? yeah it really seems like it'd be noticed otherwise... i have no idea though...`
`00:24.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`ethics, ping`
`00:24.52`	`caphuso`	`webmis has never been secure`
`00:24.56`	`caphuso`	`and webmin too`
`00:24.59`	`bented`	`Gumby: certainly one of these other peoples has an idea`
`00:25.14`	`Wyzard`	`caphuso: But I want to keep those things running... Apache's open to the public anyway, and there's stuff it serves which needs the database, etc.`
`00:25.16`	`dli`	`Guerin, no, the system is designed for n00bs also`
`00:25.27`	`caphuso`	`Wyzard: again, on a lan party?`
`00:25.35`	`Guerin`	`dli: noobs shouldn't be able to install software blindly`
`00:25.50`	`caphuso`	`Wyzard: and why is your database listening on 0.0.0.0 in the first place?`
`00:25.52`	`Wyzard`	`caphuso: Yes at a lanparty. I want httpd running always, regardless of whether I'm playing games.`
`00:25.55`	`dli`	`Guerin, unfortunately, apt-get is too easy to use`
`00:26.04`	`toad`	`for something over a year i thought debian was really messed up because something was wiping my /var/run... eventually i discovered it was one of my own cron jobs calling /etc/init.d/umountnfs.sh instead of umount -a -t nfs/smbfs :)`
`00:26.18`	`toad`	`Guerin: Debian is far too easy to install!`
`00:26.19`	`Gumby`	`bented: I tested the card on a laptop running windows. its detected and worked almost instantly :(`
`00:26.33`	`Guerin`	`dli: no, it's not. You actually have to TYPE THE NAME of the software you want to install. It's quite hard to wandomly mash W E B M I N out on your keyboards`
`00:26.36`	`dafen`	`anysoftwares can burn dvd isos?`
`00:26.36`	`Gumby`	`bented: and someone might know... but they are beinng very tight lipped if they do. lol`
`00:26.42`	`Gumby`	`k3b`
`00:26.48`	`Gumby`	`dafen`
`00:26.48`	`toad`	`Guerin: You need to get rid of the wonderful new installer and replace it with something more hostile to keep the newbies out! ;)`
`00:26.53`	`bented`	`Gumby: indeed`
`00:26.54`	`Wyzard`	`caphuso: Actually, I think postgres is configured to listen only on the loopback, but there's no harm in blocking ports anyway... gives me more of a single central place to control what's accessible`
`00:26.57`	`dli`	`Guerin, right, then, some others depend on the one you type`
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`00:27.13`	`dli`	`Guerin, that's why I installed webmin`
`00:27.27`	`Guerin`	`dli: because you didn't read what was going to happen as a result of your actions`
`00:27.33`	`dli`	`Guerin, give you one example here`
`00:27.43`	`dli`	`Guerin: I want security`
`00:28.01`	`dli`	`Guerin, so I asked here for suggestions, then people recommend triwire`
`00:28.03`	`poh`	`Do I have a voice, or is it still stolen?`
`00:28.07`	`dli`	`Guerin, tripwire`
`00:28.08`	`Guerin`	`poh: stolen`
`00:28.11`	`caphuso`	`the only thing that depends on webmin are webmin-foo packages`
`00:28.17`	`poh`	`Guerin: Thanks`
`00:28.17`	`toad`	`anyway, nobody knows why my machine crashes, could be an X problem, a kernel problem or a (sadly proprietary) driver problem... cool`
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`00:28.23`	`dli`	`Guerin, then, I did apt-get install tripwire, then, I got 25/tcp open`
`00:28.32`	`Bigup_hpc`	`i have a external usb box with a western 80Go 7200rpm inside, all is perfect ehci_hcd recognize that as usb 2.0 but the transfer is only 2MB/s ... someone have this problem or know the solution?`
`00:28.34`	`scarynetworkguy`	`dli: apt-get install security`
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`00:28.45`	`Guerin`	`you can try to blame everyone else for this, but tfotm is that you installed shit you didn't need, want or understand`
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`00:28.55`	`Rdsmith4`	`startx errors - "file section keyword expected" - only it doesn't say which keyword`
`00:28.56`	`Guerin`	`really, who's responsible?`
`00:28.57`	`poh`	`Why might my voice be stolen when I log in from my laptop running knoppix?`
`00:29.00`	`Rdsmith4`	`any suggestions?`
`00:29.08`	`Guerin`	`poh: root?`
`00:29.18`	`FieldySnuts`	`root or knoppix ident ban`
`00:29.22`	`CSWookie`	`poh: "Stolen"?`
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`00:29.34`	`dli`	`poh: register your id ?`
`00:29.40`	`caphuso`	`02:29 -!- 73 - #debian: ban [knoppix!@*] [by lovecraft.freenode.net, 1753066 secs ago]`
`00:29.41`	`poh`	`maybe I was root`
`00:29.51`	`poh`	`dli: my id was registered`
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`00:30.26`	`Rdsmith4`	`startx errors - "file section keyword expected" - only it doesn't say which keyword`
`00:30.27`	`Rdsmith4`	`any suggestions?`
`00:30.27`	`Wyzard`	`caphuso: Why the ban on knoppix users?`
`00:30.36`	`caphuso`	`Wyzard: because they're annoying`
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`00:30.58`	`Wyzard`	`caphuso: I use Knoppix as a recue disc for recovery of Debian systems :-)`
`00:31.02`	`CSWookie`	`Wyzard: Because #debian regulars are cranky.`
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`00:31.20`	`caphuso`	`Wyzard: good for you. just don't forget to change your user name to something != knoppix before trying to /join`
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`00:31.21`	`Flimzy`	`Wyzard: That's fine, so long as you don't ask us to help you when you have problems with your knoppix disc`
`00:31.40`	`Wyzard`	`naturally`
`00:31.55`	`n3x`	`Anyone had any issues with a SATA drive and "init spawning too fast"`
`00:32.17`	`cafuego`	`Wyzard: I find the hetinst cd to be just for for rescue operating too (and it boots a lot faster)`
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`00:32.32`	`dli`	`help ignore`
`00:32.38`	`caphuso`	`cafuego: and you don't have to remember how to not boot into KDE`
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`00:33.07`	`cafuego`	`and it fits on a 128M usb key, so you don't actually need a cdrom either`
`00:33.29`	`Wyzard`	`cafuego: Debian netinst is missing some tools I fund useful... netcat being the first that comes to mind`
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`00:34.34`	`Wyzard`	`ugh`
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`00:35.38`	`cafuego`	`UGH is something else altogether`
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`00:36.31`	`cafuego`	`Wyzard: No, it doesn't.`
`00:36.36`	`RichiH`	`Wyzard: i think not`
`00:36.42`	`Wyzard`	`ok`
`00:36.59`	`cafuego`	`But then, I never NEED ssh when fixing a machine in order to make it boot again.`
`00:37.18`	`dli`	`any simple why to reinstall all base packages?`
`00:37.21`	`Wyzard`	`Strictly speaking, there are a lot of things you don't NEED`
`00:37.23`	`Wyzard`	`but it can be useful`
`00:37.35`	`RichiH`	`cafuego: can be useful to save data to remote, though`
`00:37.37`	`Wyzard`	`IIRC, Knoppix also has some dump/restore tools that I've found useful in the past`
`00:37.37`	`cafuego`	`Wyzard: ssh? useful? hahaha!`
`00:37.37`	`Guerin`	`dli: all which?`
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`00:37.44`	`Wyzard`	`or maybe that was the Gentoo livecd, I dunno`
`00:37.45`	`cafuego`	`RichiH: That's what NFS is for.`
`00:37.46`	`Guerin`	`dli: they call it d-i`
`00:37.50`	`dli`	`Guerin, like "emerge -e system" in gentoo`
`00:37.52`	`RichiH`	`cafuego: i prefer ssh`
`00:38.10`	`RichiH`	`at least for ad hoc copying`
`00:38.14`	`cafuego`	`RichiH: scp is way too slow to copy 1GB of data off a P166 laptop`
`00:38.29`	`Wyzard`	`cafuego: Of course NFS is superior to SSH... it does such a great job of authenticating the client, and protecting the data as it travels over the network :-P`
`00:38.36`	`RichiH`	`cafuego: i don't _have_ a 166 machine ;)`
`00:38.38`	`cafuego`	`(hell, a P166 is altop is just way too slo)`
`00:38.49`	`RichiH`	`at least none that fail. they work (tm) ;)`
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`00:39.12`	`cafuego`	`Wyzard: You put crashed boxes on a non-trusted network whilst restoring them?`
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`00:39.37`	`Wyzard`	`cafuego: For large amounts of data on a trusted LAN, I use tar and netcat`
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`00:39.45`	`kbrooks`	`Question: I want KDE to be auto started without gdm or kdm. Can I remove the both of them and.......?`
`00:39.55`	`kbrooks`	`and what do I do after that?`
`00:39.55`	`cafuego`	`kbrooks: no.`
`00:40.04`	`dli`	`Wyzard, wondering why not rsync ?`
`00:40.07`	`RichiH`	`cafuego: i for one do not trust any network. not even my own when other boxes not owned by me are connected to it`
`00:40.12`	`Wyzard`	`cafuego: Actually, it's pretty rare that I have to restore crashed boxes... usually I'm just offloading the files to another system prior to repartitioning or installing a different distro`
`00:40.14`	`cafuego`	`kbrooks: onfigure KDm to automagically log you in.`
`00:40.31`	`cafuego`	`Wyzard: I get too many dead windoze boxes...`
`00:40.46`	`RichiH`	`kbrooks: you can use xdm, but kdm got autologin`
`00:41.02`	`dli`	`RichiH, gdm also does auto login`
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`00:41.17`	`RichiH`	`dli: k`
`00:41.18`	`Wyzard`	`dli: rsync would be useful if most of the data was already on the remote end, but when you're going to have to transfer all the data anyway, nc is better because it has zero overhead from any sort of application protocol... just raw TCP`
`00:41.20`	`Guerin`	`but he's using kde, so why not have the whole shop?`
`00:41.33`	`nSe`	`is sarge already under frozen condition?`
`00:41.52`	`Wyzard`	`cafuego: For example, just yesterday I netcatted Debian off my laptop, wiped it and installed Ubuntu so I could try it out, then later in the evening, wiped again and netcatted Debian back`
`00:42.03`	`Guerin`	`nSe: topic`
`00:42.31`	`dli`	`Wyzard, carious, why do you cp fresh data routinely`
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`00:42.59`	`dli`	`Wyzard, see`
`00:43.03`	`Wyzard`	`dli: I don't do it frequently enough to be worth the trouble of maintaining an up-to-date backup`
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`00:43.21`	`kbrooks`	`ok, in kdm, i dont see a option to login after X seconds`
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`00:44.08`	`analia`	`hello. i'm about to buy a gforce 4 video card with TV Out. it's a good choice for debian linux?`
`00:44.18`	`Wyzard`	`dli: Prior to the Ubuntu thing, I backed up my laptop's Windows installation (just the whole raw partition) so I could do an installation test with my Win2003+SP1 slipstream disc to make sure it worked properly`
`00:44.24`	`gourke`	`hi`
`00:44.31`	`max`	`hi gourke`
`00:45.45`	`dli`	`sysklogd hangs at starting sysklogd daemon, any suggestion?`
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`00:47.16`	`pixil9`	`Could anyone here help me out installing the nvidia driver from the website?`
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`00:47.28`	`chealer`	`!tell pixil9 about nvidia-installer`
`00:47.29`	`mikkel`	`how do i reconfigure my qmake (Qt)?`
`00:47.42`	`chealer`	`pixil9: just don't use nvidia-installer, install it the debian way`
`00:47.51`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: /msg dpkg nvidia`
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`00:48.15`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: Basically, you want the "nvidia-kernel-source" and "nvidia-glx" packages`
`00:48.26`	`pixil9`	`okay sec`
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`00:48.50`	`Azar`	`pixil9, unfortunately the nvidia installer from their website will not work ok with debian packages`
`00:49.14`	`pixil9`	`Well when i go apt-cache search I'm not getting those packages`
`00:49.18`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: do you want to bet on the odds that will be enough for him to succeed installing the drivers? :)`
`00:49.40`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: If he reads the README.Debian, then it should be :-)`
`00:49.46`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: Are you running testing?`
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`00:49.57`	`pixil9`	`I don't know.. I just used the net install`
`00:50.00`	`pixil9`	`setup x w/ fluxbox`
`00:50.05`	`pixil9`	`now i wanna play UT :P`
`00:50.20`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: he'll still need to figure out that comes from contrib/non-free and sid`
`00:50.49`	`Azar`	`the apt-primer article would show him the bumps`
`00:50.50`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: They're in woody too, though "nvidia-kernel-source" is called "nvidia-kernel-src" there`
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`00:50.59`	`Xeon3D`	`erm... how can I limit apt-get download speed?`
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`00:51.14`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: Did you install woody (the stable release) or did you use the Debian-Installer release candidate?`
`00:51.23`	`pixil9`	`i think it said sarge`
`00:51.28`	`pixil9`	`does that mean anything?`
`00:51.35`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: Yes, that's testing`
`00:51.38`	`pixil9`	`ah okay`
`00:52.04`	`Azar`	`pixil9 you will not be able to use the nvidia driver you downloaded from the nvidia site with sarge`
`00:52.07`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: (You know, it's a good idea to understand what you're installing before you install it... http://www.debian.org/releases/)`
`00:52.19`	`pixil9`	`heh`
`00:52.32`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: The nvidia packages currently aren't in testing for some reason, though, so you'll need to grab them from unstable`
`00:52.32`	`pixil9`	`So is there a minimal net install of woody?`
`00:52.33`	`chealer`	`Azar: why not?`
`00:52.34`	`spiorf`	`Azar, I installed today sarge and the nvidia installer worked fine`
`00:52.45`	`Azar`	`chealer, that driver installation works with sid only`
`00:52.59`	`pixil9`	`spiorf: the one from their site?`
`00:53.03`	`chealer`	`Azar: what happens with sarge?`
`00:53.03`	`Azar`	`but if he does the nvidia driver the debian way, yeah it might work`
`00:53.03`	`spiorf`	`yes`
`00:53.10`	`pixil9`	`i recompiled my kernel with nvidia support but it didn't do shit`
`00:53.26`	`Azar`	`nvidia driver installer readme from the nvidia site spells it clear: sid only`
`00:53.29`	`chealer`	`pixil9: you mean you compiled the nvidia module?`
`00:53.35`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: If you're talking about the nVidia Riva framebuffer module, that's irrelevant`
`00:53.37`	`pixil9`	`yea`
`00:53.42`	`pixil9`	`i dunno`
`00:53.46`	`spiorf`	`pixil9, you need to compile a kernel without the rivafb`
`00:53.52`	`nSe`	`i realized that i do not need wine for nothing! gosh...`
`00:53.53`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: If you're talking about the nvidia-kernel-source package, that's what you want`
`00:54.13`	`pixil9`	`well i typed apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source and it didn't work heh`
`00:54.37`	`chealer`	`!tell pixil9 about nvidia-howto`
`00:54.37`	`Azar`	`pixil9 if you have the time and you like you can go ahead and bump with nvidia until you learn`
`00:54.42`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: Like I said, it's not in testing; you have to get it from unstable`
`00:54.55`	`chealer`	`pixil9: follow these instructions to do it the debian way`
`00:55.06`	`Guerin`	`awright, kiddies, since we're talking video hardware: recommendations for a tv-out-worthy card?`
`00:55.09`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: xenogears?`
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`00:55.15`	`Azar`	`pixil9 first should learn about apt and how to set sources`
`00:55.22`	`Azar`	`then fiddle with downloads`
`00:55.26`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: Not yet... I emailed the seller when I got home from work today, asking about it`
`00:55.27`	`Guerin`	`all I care about is TV-out - don't give half a bad fuck about 3d or anything else`
`00:55.35`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: no response yet?`
`00:55.38`	`Wyzard`	`nope`
`00:55.41`	`abrotman`	`grr`
`00:55.56`	`Wyzard`	`They do say 5-10 days for delivery, so it could've just gotten delayed by a day or two`
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`00:56.00`	`pixil9`	`okay i'm gonna go into X.. thx`
`00:56.03`	`pixil9`	`bbiab`
`00:56.11`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: espeically with all the passover greeting cards!`
`00:56.17`	`Xeon3D`	`erm... how can I limit apt-get download speed?`
`00:56.22`	`abrotman`	`!trickle`
`00:56.24`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: On the other hand, the AthlonXP motherboard I bought yesterday on NewEgg for $30 will probably be here tomorrow, or Friday`
`00:56.25`	`abrotman`	`bah`
`00:56.27`	`abrotman`	`!info trickle`
`00:56.32`	`chealer`	`Azar: where does the README say that?`
`00:56.32`	`dpkg`	`trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-3 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 156 kB`
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`00:56.54`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: heh .. yeah .. they're fast . i just took part in a big order from them for a dual opteron system ..`
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`00:57.01`	`Azar`	`chealer if you download the nvidia latest driver from their website, it will install a README file, very interesting read there`
`00:57.11`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: the recipient said "This is a PC case?" :)`
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`00:57.17`	`Azar`	`alas, too bad though, I used to love that nvidia installer`
`00:57.25`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: (The board is replacing one I fried in December by installing a DIMM backward...)`
`00:57.25`	`chealer`	`Azar: you don't need to, the readme is there : ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7174/README.txt`
`00:57.26`	`Wyzard`	`hehe`
`00:57.43`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: you must have pushed damn hard`
`00:57.54`	`Azar`	`chealer, I have no browser yet, so I downloaded, played with it, read the file then got it out`
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`00:58.04`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: Not all that hard, actually... I've seen boards that required that much force to put one in correctly, so I didn't think much of it`
`00:58.15`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: until I turned it on and heard the beeping, of course`
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`00:58.21`	`chealer`	`Azar: I still wonder what part you red "spells it clear: sid only"`
`00:58.38`	`Azar`	`chealer my bad choice of words: unstable only`
`00:58.46`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: you're definitely a developer :)`
`00:58.55`	`Azar`	`chealer it say it will not work with "stable" or "testing"`
`00:59.07`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: Well, the inside of the case was in shadow... I couldn't see the slot very well :-)`
`00:59.14`	`Azar`	`chealer which led me to believe that the unstable or sid only will do`
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`00:59.33`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: you're still a developer :) .. i had a friend who is a hard core coder crack a mobo inserting a DIMM :)`
`00:59.41`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: The DIMM (which still works, btw) is one that my brother had been borrowing from me so he'd have enough RAM to play HL2... and I was borrowing it back periodically when he wasn't using it`
`00:59.59`	`chealer`	`Azar: I don't find any reference to either testing or sarge`
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`01:00.54`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: you couldn't just buy another?`
`01:01.02`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: i know who you work for .. they do pay you :)`
`01:01.32`	`shiner840`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:01.35`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: Wasn't worth it... I was planning on giving my brother some faster RAM for Christmas, so I knew I'd get this one back within a few weeks`
`01:01.48`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: oh ok .. only cost oyu a mobo :)`
`01:02.09`	`abrotman`	`!oyu`
`01:02.28`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: doesn't bother me too much; it's a cobbled-together system... the old board I got for free because the AGP slot was broken, processor came from a friend who didn't need it anymore, hard drive was $14 on ebay, etc.`
`01:02.44`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: heh . maybe you should get a real box?`
`01:02.50`	`Azar`	`chealer, sorry I do not have that README anymore as I have removed that nvidia driver`
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`01:02.58`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: Oh, it's not my main desktop, don't worry... it's my Gentoo box :-P`
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`01:03.08`	`Azar`	`chealer: if you want go ahead and test it with stable or sarge`
`01:03.13`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: eww`
`01:03.20`	`Azar`	`chealer: but I will not do that`
`01:03.24`	`Wyzard`	`hehe`
`01:03.27`	`chealer`	`Azar: I already used it with sarge`
`01:03.34`	`Azar`	`chealer good for you`
`01:03.48`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: you know .. i really tried to use gentoo .. but that 486 .. guess what .. gentoo sucks on one of those :)`
`01:03.51`	`Azar`	`chealer: I was only using it while in sid`
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`01:04.13`	`Azar`	`the nvidia driver from the nvidia site is NOT recommended to install/use`
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`01:04.22`	`Azar`	`if you want to do so, feel free`
`01:04.37`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: Well, this Gentoo box is 50% faster than my main desktop (1.2GHz vs. 800MHz) but not much use for anything else due to not having any other half-decent hardware`
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`01:04.45`	`spiorf`	`Azar, why is not recommended?`
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`01:05.18`	`chealer`	`I don't want to, we just wouldn't have to speak again n-i if it was so simple :)`
`01:05.22`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: http://sys.us.shuttle.com/BuildXPC.aspx?id=1082 .. .that would be a good replacement :)`
`01:05.58`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: Even that DIMM was free because it has a few bad bits up in the high end of its address range... would cause Windows to crash on my brother periodically, but I just told Linux "mem=254M"`
`01:06.04`	`Azar`	`spiorf because that nvidia is not part of debian packages, is an independent installer and the way I learned here, in this channel it might break other packages`
`01:06.14`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: you're such a slacker :)`
`01:06.38`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: I'll be building a new desktop system sometime... AMD64, PCI Express, SATA, etc.`
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`01:07.02`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: ah .. sounds like a plan`
`01:07.19`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: I'm not in any great hurry though... Debian's AMD64 port isn't official yet, and apparently nobody makes AMD64 boards with PCI-E yet`
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`01:07.41`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: erm .. i don't think that's true`
`01:07.44`	`maikol`	`i want to install debian using the cd images. did i download the right ones? debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso till # 7`
`01:07.48`	`abrotman`	`bah .. where's directhex ...`
`01:07.56`	`Azar`	`spiorf however playing with that installer, is fun, and gets one to learn a little, anyways after I finished playing I reinstalled woody`
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`01:07.58`	`abrotman`	`maikol: for a workstation?`
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`01:08.08`	`maikol`	`yeah`
`01:08.14`	`abrotman`	`!d-i maikol`
`01:08.15`	`dpkg`	`maikol, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`01:08.17`	`longshot`	`how i install jre in debian ?`
`01:08.24`	`abrotman`	`!tell longshot about jva`
`01:08.26`	`abrotman`	`!tell longshot about java`
`01:08.27`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: I've been told (by a friend who's a DD) that the only company that's designed a working PCI-E controller chip so far is Intel, and they won't license it for use on AMD64 boards... haven't verified this myself yet though`
`01:08.29`	`abrotman`	`!tell longshot about java-package`
`01:08.46`	`green_earz`	`maikol: do you have a dsl connection if so use the sarge net installer`
`01:08.59`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: hrm .. i thoguht they had released some`
`01:09.10`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: It's entirely possible that his news was out-of-date`
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`01:09.39`	`nSe`	`is there any place where i can find out how much people are using the different linux distros?`
`01:09.49`	`Wyzard`	`nSe: http://www.distrowatch.com/ perhaps`
`01:10.07`	`Soda_n`	`nSe: www.distrowatch.com`
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`01:10.29`	`nSe`	`Wyzard, Soda_n: thanks`
`01:10.43`	`maher`	`nSe: netstat also has some stats for webservers`
`01:10.57`	`maher`	`nSe: s/netstat/netcraft/`
`01:11.33`	`Guerin`	`grrr, my damn server is playing up`
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`01:11.35`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: i can't remember .. is that pci-express or pci-extended ?`
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`01:12.09`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: Express... PCI Extended is called "PCI-X" and (I think) just deals with running PCI buses at faster clock speeds or something`
`01:12.47`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: http://www.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_GA-K8NXP-9.htm .. i win :)`
`01:12.56`	`maikol`	`which ones do i get from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, [alpha], [arm], [hppa], [i386], [ia64], [m68k], [mips], [mipsel], [powerpc], or [sparc]`
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`01:13.19`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: good enough?`
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`01:13.26`	`chealer`	`maikol: depends your CPU's architecture`
`01:13.34`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: Nifty... one less obstacle`
`01:13.54`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: Now I just need to find a PCI-E SATA hardware RAID controller that doesn't cost a fortune :-)`
`01:13.57`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: that's kind of a sick board .. sataII etc :)`
`01:14.15`	`maikol`	`chealer: what do you mean by that`
`01:14.16`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: (hoping to do a terabyte hardware RAID-5, if it's not insanely expensive)`
`01:14.16`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: uhm .. 2410SA isn't pci-e ?`
`01:14.29`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: oh jeez .. you're screwed right there....`
`01:14.43`	`chealer`	`maikol: a pentium doesn't need the same as a mac, for example. what's your CPU?`
`01:14.46`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: how big are sata drives now? 400GB? .. you need 4 of those to reach 1.2TB`
`01:14.52`	`abrotman`	`with raid5 anyways`
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`01:14.55`	`maikol`	`chealer: pentium`
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`01:15.17`	`chealer`	`maikol: choose i386`
`01:15.19`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: yep... I know it'll be expensive, but hopefully not more than $1000 or so for the controller plus drives`
`01:15.31`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: and you need a 4port sata card .. about 300$`
`01:15.50`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: (I'd be OK with spending up to that amount, simply because I intend for this system to last a good number of years... my current system is 5 years old, for example, and still useful)`
`01:15.51`	`Azar`	`for those who want to learn more about installing nvidia: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt << excellent reference`
`01:15.51`	`maikol`	`chealer: awesome, thats the one i got.`
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`01:16.17`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: and ... http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8nsli-d/overview.htm`
`01:16.18`	`caphuso`	`Azar: which is why it's mentioned in the "nvidia howto" factoid in dpkg...`
`01:16.23`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: apparently there are quite a few`
`01:16.28`	`far`	`where can I place a comand so it is execute when the system starts ?`
`01:16.36`	`caphuso`	`far: read /etc/init.d/README`
`01:16.53`	`maikol`	`chealer: but the ones offered on http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/i386/ beging with 'sarge' and the files i got begin with 'debian', adny difference?`
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`01:17.03`	`Azar`	`caphuso, you are right, but for me as a stubborn newbie, that writing helped me understand why the bloody nvidia installer is not good`
`01:17.15`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: what sucks is that the athlon64 boards are progressing way way faster than the opteron boards`
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`01:17.31`	`far`	`caphuso, thank you`
`01:17.37`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: What's the difference between Athlon64 and Opteron, anyway?`
`01:18.05`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: opteron is SMP capable .. among other things .. but that's the difference most people care about`
`01:18.14`	`Wyzard`	`ah`
`01:18.44`	`pipe`	`Wyzard: socket type, cache size`
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`01:18.55`	`chealer`	`maikol: no, except you're getting sarge`
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`01:19.04`	`abrotman`	`pipe: i left that stuff out .. because like i said . most only care that it's SMP or not`
`01:19.12`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: ah... well, a dual processors would be nice, but I don't think I'm going to pay for both that and a 1TB RAID :-)`
`01:19.23`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: yeah .. the opteron stuff isn't cheap`
`01:19.27`	`caphuso`	`quick summary: opteron is a server CPU, the athlon64 isn't`
`01:19.32`	`CroatianNinja`	`far, also, look under Applications>Desktop Preferences>Advanced>Sessions and there should be a tab to make a program start when you log in`
`01:19.37`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: and finding an opteron board with PCI-E .. isn't going to happen`
`01:19.38`	`maikol`	`chealer: but im not, so it doesnt matter. thanks`
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`01:19.45`	`maher`	`Wyzard: but you'll only have 1.2T! spose yourun out of space?`
`01:19.49`	`abrotman`	`its like Xeon vs P4`
`01:20.09`	`CroatianNinja`	`far, if you are using gnome that is`
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`01:20.12`	`chealer`	`maikol: you're not what?`
`01:20.24`	`Azar`	`I have an idea, that would help a lot new debian users: everytime we try install a non-debian package it would be nice to have a WARNING popup explaining us that that package/driver..etc might NOT get along with debian.. so to be warned in advance`
`01:20.31`	`maikol`	`chealer: getting sarge. im using the ones i already have that began with 'debian'`
`01:20.39`	`caphuso`	`Azar: and how would you implement that?`
`01:20.41`	`far`	`CroatianNinja, it's a small box that doesn't have X`
`01:20.57`	`chealer`	`maikol: so you're getting woody?`
`01:21.00`	`Wyzard`	`maher: hehe... considering that ~180GB of my current 480GB are free, I'm not too worried, but I would like to start doing things like ripping all my audio CDs to FLAC`
`01:21.13`	`maikol`	`chealer: i guess so. which is better`
`01:21.16`	`Guerin`	`hrm, I blame usermodelinux`
`01:21.18`	`pipe`	`Wyzard, abrotman: Opteron isn't so expensive if you get a single-processor board and put a dual-capable processor in it. Price/performance is comparable to regular athlon64, but you have the option of moving to SMP more easily, later.`
`01:21.19`	`Azar`	`caphuso I really do not know, I am not a programmer but I guess the system could have a protection like that`
`01:21.33`	`caphuso`	`Azar: i don't think so`
`01:21.46`	`Azar`	`caphuso so you think it is impossible?`
`01:21.52`	`Guerin`	`anything requiring tls or ssl just started crapping itself and dying; reboot fixed it`
`01:21.55`	`caphuso`	`Azar: pretty much, yes`
`01:22.02`	`maher`	`Azar: installing non debian stuff means manual intervention like dl random stuff and installing - you won't do it by accident`
`01:22.03`	`chealer`	`maikol: why? abrotman told you to get sarge instead of woody for a workstation`
`01:22.04`	`Wyzard`	`Azar: Problem is, it's only when you install a package that "the system" actually knows you're installing software... if you compile it yourself, you're just copying some files into various directories as far as the system is concerned`
`01:22.09`	`Guerin`	`but restarting individual services didn't`
`01:22.10`	`abrotman`	`pipe: then if you're doing that .. why not just buy athlon64 ..`
`01:22.36`	`abrotman`	`pipe: by the time you're willing to shell out for a second CPU and new mobo .. new stuff will be out anyways .. and faster speeds etc ...`
`01:22.39`	`maikol`	`chealer: well, i have already downloaded the woody ones. so why not just use those`
`01:22.40`	`Wyzard`	`Azar: It's much easier to just follow the rule of thumb to avoid installing non-packaged software when possible`
`01:22.53`	`caphuso`	`or at least do it in a sane way`
`01:23.17`	`chealer`	`maikol: because woody was released in 2002`
`01:23.23`	`abrotman`	`!woody`
`01:23.23`	`dpkg`	`from memory, woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide".`
`01:23.40`	`pipe`	`abrotman: Exactly -- and then the matching processor will be more affordable.`
`01:23.55`	`maikol`	`chealer: ah. thats a good reason`
`01:24.01`	`abrotman`	`pipe: or you've watied too long .. and ti's better just to get a new family`
`01:24.10`	`pipe`	`abrotman: Unlikely, in the case of the opteron.`
`01:24.21`	`abrotman`	`pipe: i've seen people make that argument before .. and they never ever do that .. they just upgrade everythting`
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`01:24.34`	`pipe`	`abrotman: Eh, I played that game successfully with Athlon MP.`
`01:24.37`	`Azar`	`Wyzard: most of us beginners do not get a full understanding about "stable", "testing" and "unstable", I guess say if I use woody and try install something not supported by woody it would be nice to have a "warning" popup`
`01:24.37`	`Azar`	`apt might be made to do that for us?`
`01:24.41`	`Azar`	`was just a wild idea`
`01:24.42`	`Azar`	`if it can't be done, well it can't`
`01:24.55`	`abrotman`	`pipe: i'd just save my money .. get an athlon64 .. and worry about the opteron when that time comes .. it's pretty silly to spend the money on an opteron if you only "might" upgrade it later`
`01:24.55`	`pipe`	`abrotman: since the biggest cost was the motherboard, I saved money by buying the processor and memory for a cheaper system in the here-and-now`
`01:25.09`	`abrotman`	`pipe: but you bought a SMP mobo?`
`01:25.11`	`pipe`	`abrotman: Heh, I think you would be surprised by the price / performance gap between 2xx and Athlon 64`
`01:25.21`	`maher`	`Azar: maybe a warning could pop up when you go to the shop saying the hw you are about to buy isnot supported by woody?`
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`01:25.27`	`pipe`	`abrotman: No, in the last generation, I bought an MP processor and a UP motherboard, as the motherboard is the most expensive part.`
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`01:25.38`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: You know, back when I bought my computer five years ago, processors were just moving back to sockets and away from slots, and I decided to get a sub-1GHz processor because it was a socket, so it'd be forward-compatible, and I could always upgrade it later :-)`
`01:25.41`	`chealer`	`Azar: a warning popup in vi?`
`01:25.55`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: like that's really worthwhile on a board with a PC133 RAM, 133MHz FSB...`
`01:25.58`	`abrotman`	`pipe: i know what the difference is .. i've bought both .. 3000+ was bout .. 120$ last i checked .. 242 is .. 200`
`01:26.15`	`abrotman`	`pipe: but the boards are the killer .. athlon64 board .. 75$ .. opteron board .. $300`
`01:26.30`	`cartel_`	`gluck still dead?`
`01:26.30`	`Wyzard`	`Azar: You can only get a warning from apt when you're installing a package with apt; if you compile it yourself, or run some script like nvidia provides, then apt is not involved`
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`01:26.32`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: heh`
`01:26.39`	`abrotman`	`!ping gluck`
`01:26.46`	`cartel_`	`bugga`
`01:26.46`	`abrotman`	`themolester: turn that shit off`
`01:26.59`	`cartel_`	`need to do a search on p.d.o`
`01:27.00`	`Wyzard`	`Azar: And if you're installing a package from a newer release (like trying to install an unstable package on woody), you will get an error from dpkg regarding unmet dependencies`
`01:27.08`	`abrotman`	`cartel_: for what?`
`01:27.17`	`cartel_`	`oh its up! w00t!`
`01:27.31`	`abrotman`	`!tell cartel_ about search`
`01:27.47`	`cartel_`	`gngngngn`
`01:28.11`	`nSe`	`is unbuto based on debian?`
`01:28.23`	`CroatianNinja`	`yes`
`01:28.34`	`abrotman`	`ubuntu`
`01:28.37`	`abrotman`	`!ubuntu`
`01:28.37`	`dpkg`	`[ubuntu] NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879`
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`01:29.19`	`Wyzard`	`nSe: Short answer: Yes, but don't come to #debian asking about problems with Ubuntu. Go to #ubuntu for that.`
`01:30.08`	`Azar`	`Wyzard I did not mean to block any non-woody package just a standar "warning" telling the user that such and such package is not ment for use with woody and the user assumes his own risk of trying it out`
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`01:30.21`	`nSe`	`Wyzard: i'm not with ubunto problems, sorry Wyzard`
`01:30.25`	`pipe`	`nSe: Debian is the most-forked distribution. There's dozens of distributions "based on" debian. I suggest you install the real debian, frankly. Ubuntu is a bit, ah, buggy.`
`01:30.46`	`gyges`	`pipe, my ubuntu was like a sick joke.`
`01:30.48`	`JoshH`	`id definitely rather use ubuntu than any other distro besides debian though`
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`01:31.02`	`Wyzard`	`Azar: That's not needed, because unstable packages generally aren't installable on woody anyway, due to dependencies`
`01:31.11`	`gyges`	`the sudo that supposedly helps was so misconfigured out of the box i was having to type a password for every command`
`01:31.14`	`pipe`	`JoshH: Eh, I would just use pinning to upgrade to sid.`
`01:31.22`	`JoshH`	`i run sid. :)`
`01:31.24`	`JeffWilson12`	`the SASL initscript is telling me "(failed)" ... really descriptive. is there a way to get more verbose output?`
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`01:31.41`	`Wyzard`	`Azar: And if you've even gotten such a package, you must have either edited your sources.list to point at something other than woody, or downloaded the .deb manually, so you should know that you're not getting woody packages`
`01:31.43`	`Azar`	`Wyzard, yes indeed, I did not thought of that`
`01:31.45`	`nSe`	`pipe: what do you mean by buggy, with lots of bugs? (sorry, english is not my native language)`
`01:32.00`	`pipe`	`nSe: Yes.`
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`01:32.23`	`pipe`	`nSe: Ubuntu forks Debian Unstable every six months, then adds new stuff as quickly as possible in the weeks leading up to their release.`
`01:32.25`	`Wyzard`	`pipe: I installed Ubuntu yesterday and it didn't seem that bad...`
`01:32.39`	`abrotman`	`ubuntu is in #ubuntu`
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`01:32.41`	`pipe`	`nSe: As a result, Ubuntu gets new software even more quickly than Sid -- but it's even less well-tested.`
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`01:32.54`	`pipe`	`nSe: And you have no guarantee that bugs will be fixed.`
`01:33.00`	`Azar`	`Wyzard: right, that why I have appreciated the help here that guided me to learning the apt-primer, without it I would never understand the entire process`
`01:33.04`	`nSe`	`pipe: so they are a fake! let's kill them...`
`01:33.09`	`dli`	`can I restart init without effecting running user jobs ?`
`01:33.13`	`dvs`	`pipe: It sounds as stable as other distributions`
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`01:33.56`	`garung`	`grave bugs of libgtk2.0-bin (2.6.2-4 -> 2.6.4-1) <done>`
`01:33.58`	`garung`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`01:34.00`	`garung`	`is it ok to update?`
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`01:34.17`	`Wyzard`	`garung: GTK apps seem to be working OK for me`
`01:34.22`	`garung`	`oh`
`01:34.26`	`madclicker`	`ahoy`
`01:34.27`	`garung`	`thx`
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`01:34.29`	`nSe`	`dvs: are you running ubunto?`
`01:34.37`	`dvs`	`nSe: No, debian`
`01:34.45`	`JRWR`	`(Sarge)how do i make GRUB start faster?`
`01:34.48`	`RichiH`	`garung: with grave bugs, i would wait until they are resolved or dig deeper`
`01:34.53`	`abrotman`	`nSe: one more time UBUNTU!!`
`01:34.59`	`chealer`	`garung: where did you find 2.6.4-1?`
`01:35.00`	`dvs`	`JRWR: Reduce the delay count`
`01:35.05`	`garung`	`apt-get upgrade`
`01:35.07`	`kingsley_`	`What's a good IRC channel for the technicalities of MS Windows?`
`01:35.08`	`JRWR`	`no`
`01:35.09`	`garung`	`:D`
`01:35.15`	`Azar`	`:)`
`01:35.22`	`JRWR`	`its when GRub is loading`
`01:35.25`	`JRWR`	`it takes 10mins`
`01:35.26`	`abrotman`	`kingsley_: certainly not this one`
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`01:35.50`	`dli`	`JRWR, which step is slow?`
`01:36.03`	`Guerin`	`kingsley_: it's unlikely there is one`
`01:36.04`	`JRWR`	`Loading GRUB step1.5`
`01:36.11`	`nSe`	`abrotman: UBUNTU!!! sorry`
`01:36.25`	`madclicker`	`HELP, where do i plug modules to load at boot on debian? (ATA_PIIX or AHCI) on rpm built systems it would be /etc/modules.conf how about debian?`
`01:36.32`	`dli`	`JRWR, my first thought, try lilo, to make sure it's a grub problem`
`01:36.46`	`JRWR`	`lilo wont install into my MBR`
`01:36.51`	`shingouz`	`madclicker: use modconf`
`01:36.51`	`JRWR`	`i dont know why`
`01:36.56`	`dvs`	`madclicker: /etc/modules loads those modules at startup`
`01:37.21`	`JRWR`	`ive got partition table probs anyway`
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`01:38.06`	`CroatianNinja`	`JRWR, what problems?`
`01:38.27`	`JRWR`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.35`	`JRWR`	`it has soft errors`
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`01:38.43`	`JRWR`	`any tools to use on it`
`01:38.47`	`SPEEDing\|V\oNK`	`<kingsley_> #helpdesk on somenetworks`
`01:38.54`	`usuari1`	`!one-liner`
`01:38.59`	`SPEEDing\|V\oNK`	`<kingsley_> probley not this one tho +D`
`01:39.00`	`JRWR`	`fsck just freezes`
`01:39.19`	`JRWR`	`and qtparted errors`
`01:39.29`	`Wyzard`	`JRWR: Sector 0 of the drive itself, or of one of your partitions?`
`01:39.39`	`JRWR`	`partitons`
`01:39.44`	`JRWR`	`hdb1`
`01:39.48`	`JRWR`	`ive got 3 on it`
`01:39.51`	`JRWR`	`the last2 work`
`01:39.56`	`JRWR`	`but no the 1st on`
`01:40.00`	`Wyzard`	`JRWR: Then you have no need for fdisk... I'd copy all the data off that filesystem and re-mkfs it`
`01:40.12`	`usuari1`	`!one liner`
`01:40.13`	`JRWR`	`Linux wont read it`
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`01:40.25`	`Wyzard`	`Then it's corrupted... re-mkfs it`
`01:40.27`	`abrotman`	`JRWR: didn't you do what i said? .. how do you get partition table issues from that?`
`01:40.47`	`JRWR`	`this happened a week ago`
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`01:40.58`	`JRWR`	`re-mkfs? will work on a fat32`
`01:41.02`	`abrotman`	`oh god`
`01:41.09`	`dvs`	`yes/`
`01:41.21`	`JRWR`	`really`
`01:41.27`	`JRWR`	`without loasing an data?`
`01:41.33`	`JRWR`	`losing`
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`01:41.51`	`Wyzard`	`JRWR: Well, mkfs destroys any previous data on the partition, by definition`
`01:42.00`	`shingouz`	`JRWR: mkfs formats the partition so it will lose all the data you have on the partition`
`01:42.02`	`CroatianNinja`	`i thought mkfs was only for making linux filsystem`
`01:42.13`	`dvs`	`CroatianNinja: It is`
`01:42.26`	`Wyzard`	`CroatianNinja: There are different mkfs tools for different filesystems... I'm pretty sure there's a "mkdosfs" which can create FAT32`
`01:42.39`	`doublehp`	`my computer is late despite I run ntp-simple since 3 weeks .... what can I do ?`
`01:42.39`	`JRWR`	`but i NEED to repair it`
`01:42.42`	`CroatianNinja`	`Wyzard, ah ok`
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`01:42.57`	`dvs`	`doublehp: ntpdate`
`01:43.07`	`Wyzard`	`JRWR: Then boot Windows, and if that can't read it either, you can either go to a data-recovery company or give up`
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`01:43.17`	`doublehp`	`dvs: cant ntpsimple get itself the right date ?`
`01:43.24`	`dli`	`JRWR, try something like partition magic`
`01:43.29`	`doublehp`	`Apr 7 03:40:29 localhost ntpd[25921]: can't open /var/log/ntpstats/peerstats.20050407: Permission denied`
`01:43.31`	`dvs`	`doublehp: I don't know about ntpsimple`
`01:43.32`	`JRWR`	`the datas ther`
`01:43.39`	`HeavyD`	`Hey guys, I am doing a report and am seeking some advice. What other programs are usually set up with the qmail MTA in order to make a fully-functional email server?`
`01:43.41`	`Wyzard`	`dli: How will that help with recovering data from a corrupted filesystem?`
`01:43.43`	`JRWR`	`FSCK asks to repair files on it`
`01:43.52`	`JRWR`	`but it freezes`
`01:44.00`	`doublehp`	`JRWR: I just arrived : whats broken : a partition, or the whole partition table ?`
`01:44.06`	`dli`	`Wyzard, I think he mentioned problems in mbr not the filesystem`
`01:44.07`	`dvs`	`HeavyD: Other than what? postfix? exim? sendmail?`
`01:44.09`	`JRWR`	`a partition`
`01:44.09`	`Wyzard`	`JRWR: For a FAT32 filesystem, I'd use Windows scandisk rather than fsck`
`01:44.20`	`JRWR`	`scandisk just DIES`
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`01:44.24`	`Wyzard`	`dli: He said the problem is with a fat32 partition`
`01:44.29`	`JRWR`	`and kills windows with it`
`01:44.38`	`cafuego`	`Wyzard: mkfs.vfat actually, but yes.`
`01:44.42`	`HeavyD`	`dvs: Yeah.. what do postfix and exim do? If you don't mind me asking?`
`01:44.44`	`kingsley_`	`SPEEDing\|V\oNK: The first #helpdesk I've checked is on fire with a flame war.`
`01:44.48`	`doublehp`	`JRWR: Windows scandisk just killed a 120G disk last week !!!!`
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`01:44.53`	`Bac9`	`anyone used k3b and can help with getting it to use a writer?`
`01:44.55`	`dvs`	`HeavyD: They are both MTAs`
`01:44.58`	`Wyzard`	`JRWR: If both fsck and scandisk hang, the filesystem is badly corrupted... either try something like Norton Utilities, call a data-recovery company, or give up and reformat it.`
`01:45.10`	`zignig`	`doublehp: backups backups backups`
`01:45.10`	`Wyzard`	`doublehp: umm... huh?`
`01:45.12`	`JRWR`	`Wait!`
`01:45.17`	`HeavyD`	`dvs: same as qmail, correct?`
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`01:45.18`	`JRWR`	`i have Norton Utilities!`
`01:45.24`	`JRWR`	`its from 2000`
`01:45.26`	`Azar`	`sigh`
`01:45.38`	`doublehp`	`zignig: it was my backup disk :) ... the computer itself is OK .... but I lost all my archives`
`01:45.41`	`JRWR`	`2001`
`01:45.47`	`Wyzard`	`JRWR: Either that or the drive's having physical read errors... go to the drive manufacturer's website and see if they have a diagnostic tool you can download`
`01:45.47`	`SPEEDing\|V\oNK`	`kingsley_- heh no suprise thats why i idle there`
`01:45.48`	`JRWR`	`system disc docter`
`01:45.51`	`zignig`	`doublehp: spew`
`01:45.52`	`dvs`	`HeavyD: Never heard of qmail.`
`01:45.53`	`Wyzard`	`JRWR: That'd work fine... FAT32 hasn't changed in years`
`01:46.03`	`JRWR`	`Maxtor!`
`01:46.21`	`Eclipser`	`Wyzard, ten years?-p`
`01:46.23`	`Bac9`	`JRWR: that's your first mistake`
`01:46.28`	`doublehp`	`zignig: + everything I dont store inside the box: divx, mp3, windows apps, craks ...`
`01:46.28`	`JRWR`	`BRB ive got to put my hardrive back in`
`01:46.33`	`JRWR`	`HAY ive got Windows ME!`
`01:46.47`	`shingouz`	`lose the bang please`
`01:46.51`	`dvs`	`HeavyD: Yes, like qmail (I looked it up in apt-cache)`
`01:46.52`	`Wyzard`	`JRWR: Ugh... at least you have Debian too`
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`01:47.02`	`JRWR`	`i used to have Woody!`
`01:47.08`	`SPEEDing\|V\oNK`	`hahahahhahahaha`
`01:47.10`	`HeavyD`	`dvs: ok then... do you know whatprograms would be set up with say.. postfix then... to make a fully functional email server?`
`01:47.11`	`madclicker`	`am looking for a package name that can guess the type of OS`
`01:47.11`	`JRWR`	`but i updated to Sarge`
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`01:47.14`	`doublehp`	`JRWR: for the single fact you still use ME I wont even try to help you.`
`01:47.19`	`JRWR`	`lol`
`01:47.22`	`HeavyD`	`dvs: because the MTA isn't the only part... I believe.`
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`01:47.37`	`JRWR`	`atlest i dont have windows 3.11!`
`01:47.47`	`dvs`	`HeavyD: People around here like courier which has all sorts of protocols`
`01:47.54`	`JRWR`	`i know ppl at school and thats the only thing they have!`
`01:47.57`	`doublehp`	`isnt ntp-sdmple enough to keep computer sinchronised ? my box is 3mn late ...`
`01:48.00`	`JRWR`	`bye`
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`01:48.18`	`HeavyD`	`dvs: Ok, so courier and qmail... would perform the same basic functions as say an Exchange server then?`
`01:48.52`	`madclicker`	`i got it "queso"`
`01:48.52`	`zignig`	`HeavyD: why use qmail ?`
`01:48.53`	`dvs`	`HeavyD: I wouldn't say Exchange will all those appointments and calendar stuff but it will let users send and retrieve emails.`
`01:49.09`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`Is there any way to quit a bad block test in the middle of it?`
`01:49.25`	`HeavyD`	`dvs: Ok thats what i needed to know... do you happen to know where I can find info on Courier?`
`01:49.41`	`dvs`	`HeavyD: Besides installing the package, no`
`01:50.02`	`HeavyD`	`zignig: According to many sites i've seen.. its supposed to be the 2nd most popular MTA on the internet behind only sendmail.`
`01:50.15`	`cartel_`	`HeavyD: that is qmail`
`01:50.16`	`HeavyD`	`dvs: Ok, well i'll google it up and see what I can find. Thanks very much for your help.`
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`01:50.31`	`HeavyD`	`cartel_: What is qmail?`
`01:50.33`	`dvs`	`HeavyD: np. I prefer exim but that's me ;-)`
`01:50.38`	`cartel_`	`HeavyD: i have personally never seen a courier mta in the wild`
`01:50.39`	`CSWookie`	`Is there a way for me to check if my sound setup is correct without playing sound?`
`01:50.44`	`HeavyD`	`*cartel: oops... what do you mean`
`01:50.45`	`cartel_`	`HeavyD: www.qmail.org`
`01:50.57`	`cartel_`	`that is not to say they dont exist`
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`01:51.46`	`HeavyD`	`cartel_: sorry I know what qmail is... Do you happen to know what a fully functional email server would use for applications? postfix.. etc..?`
`01:51.49`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`Is there any way to quit a bad block test in the middle of it?`
`01:52.03`	`caphuso`	`PuppiesOnAcid: ctrl-c doesn't work?`
`01:52.05`	`cafuego`	`HeavyD: qmail is a mail server with a restrictive license. Some poeple prefer it, most think it sucks.`
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`01:52.11`	`Solet`	`where can i find a list of mouse 'protocols' for the xf86config-4?`
`01:52.21`	`Optical-i`	`HeavyD, try qmailrocks.org. very good site in helping setup qmail`
`01:52.36`	`Solet`	`cause mdetect says its an intellimouse, but when i put intellimouse in for its protocol it fucks up horribly`
`01:52.39`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`caphuso: I got it to work.`
`01:52.40`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`Kinda`
`01:52.43`	`HeavyD`	`Optical-i: Thanks very much, its appreciated.`
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`01:52.45`	`cafuego`	`HeavyD: Mine uses postfix and courier for smtp and imap/pop3.`
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`01:53.09`	`cafuego`	`HeavyD: On a debian amchine, i suggest you choose an MTA that has actually been packaged IN debian.`
`01:53.24`	`dvs`	`Solet: It's "ImPS/2" or "ExplorerPS/2"`
`01:53.35`	`Solet`	`ok thx`
`01:53.46`	`dvs`	`Solet: np`
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`01:55.17`	`dli`	`anyone know what the argment of " -- ", in start-stop-daemon means? like in /etc/init.d/sysklogd`
`01:55.29`	`madclicker`	`which is the best package for Stack fingerprinting`
`01:55.40`	`madclicker`	`which is the best package for "Stack fingerprinting" ?`
`01:55.40`	`caphuso`	`dli: that's in the man page`
`01:55.49`	`dvs`	`dli: It passes the arguments directly to the program`
`01:55.52`	`HeavyD`	`cafuego: and your setup with postfix as the MTA and courier would basically do the same stuff as exchange (minus the calendars and public folders etc)?`
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`01:56.15`	`cafuego`	`HeavyD: courier does calendaring and public folders`
`01:56.29`	`dli`	`dvs: thanks`
`01:56.32`	`HeavyD`	`cafuego: Oh it does that as well?`
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`01:56.36`	`dvs`	`dli: np`
`01:56.40`	`JRWR`	`it worked!`
`01:56.48`	`cafuego`	`HeavyD: Yep. Do you need compatibility with MS Outlook clients?`
`01:56.56`	`HeavyD`	`Would probably be a good thing.`
`01:56.58`	`dvs`	`JRWR: Now format it :->`
`01:56.58`	`HeavyD`	`heeh`
`01:56.59`	`dli`	`dvs: it hangs sysklogd here, I remove it in /etc/init.d/sysklogd`
`01:57.05`	Di``````	`hello....I have a asus p4p800e-deluxe with promise raid 378. I'm using Debian Sarge. Some people said to me that Debian Woody works fine, mas sarge not. What i need is see the array that i create in the BIOS when i'll partition my debian linux in the instalation. What i need to do ???`
`01:57.10`	`JRWR`	`NO!`
`01:57.16`	`HeavyD`	`cafuego: Do you know of sites that explain about getting/setting up Courier?`
`01:57.16`	`JRWR`	`maybe later`
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`01:57.37`	`cafuego`	`HeavyD: In that case there's another solution (I think Novell product, but GPL-ish) that might be a better idea. I don't know if courier calendaring works with Outlook.`
`01:58.11`	`HeavyD`	`cafuego: Hmm, oh well thats fine... Do you know of sites that explain about getting/setting up Courier?`
`01:58.13`	`cafuego`	Di``````: Don't use the on-chip raid. it's crap. use software raid in the kernel.
`01:58.36`	`cafuego`	`HeavyD: A few, but they explicitly use a mysql oir ldap backend, not actual 9shell) user accounts.`
`01:58.42`	`spiorf`	`anyone knows why whe i set locale.gen to it_IT@euro ISO-8859-1 fonts in gtk1 are very very small?`
`01:58.49`	Di``````	`cafuego: Why you say that? Promise chip does work?`
`01:58.59`	`cafuego`	Di``````: Yes, But it sucks.
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`01:59.13`	`cafuego`	`HeavyD: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/`
`01:59.16`	`pixil9`	`Hello :P`
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`02:00.16`	`Wyzard`	Di``````: Promise FastTrak controllers are not real hardware RAID... they're mostly-software RAID (implemented in the driver) with a few tasks offloaded to the card
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`02:00.28`	`pixil9`	`I'm runnin testing and I installed the nvidia driver from their website.. X seems to be running fine with the nvidia driver but UT says "Could not load OpenGL library"`
`02:00.36`	`pixil9`	`libGL.so.1 is in place..`
`02:00.37`	`pixil9`	`:/`
`02:00.37`	`Wyzard`	Di``````: But the Linux software RAID implementation is more robust than the implementation in the FastTrak driver
`02:00.43`	`resiak`	`pixil9: Uninstall it`
`02:00.47`	`resiak`	`!tell pixil9 -about nvidia howto`
`02:00.48`	`cafuego`	`pixil9: You forgot to tell X to not use GLcore`
`02:00.54`	Di``````	`right`
`02:00.59`	`resiak`	`pixil9: Alternatively, do as cafuego says :)`
`02:01.10`	`HeavyD`	`cafuego: Thanks for all your help.`
`02:01.16`	`cafuego`	`HeavyD: No worries`
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`02:01.24`	`pixil9`	`cafuego: i tool out Load GLCore in my XF86Config`
`02:01.26`	`pixil9`	`took*`
`02:01.27`	`Azar`	`pixil9: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-howto.txt << read this`
`02:02.00`	Di``````	`Do you know any place that tell me how can i do it in the installation? for example: I know that when i need to use Raid 1 in the "/", this need some especial features in the installation.`
`02:02.41`	`pixil9`	`heh that link is dead ;/`
`02:02.42`	`cafuego`	Di``````: The debian-installer (sarge) has easy on-screen steps to set it up. just make sure your run the drives in IDE mode, not RAID mode.
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`02:03.14`	`Wyzard`	`cafuego: Does the debian-installer RAID setup correctly handle using RAID for the root filesystem? (Curious because I haven't tried it myself)`
`02:03.31`	Di``````	`yes...i want do that`
`02:03.39`	`pixil9`	`cafuego: Since i took out load GLCore in XF86Config.. can you think of anything else?`
`02:03.47`	`doublehp`	`isnt ntp-sdmple enough to keep computer sinchronised ? my box is 3mn late ...`
`02:04.00`	Di``````	`in the filesystem..i tried it too`
`02:04.01`	`Wyzard`	Di``````: If debian-installer doesn't do it (and there's a good chance that it does), I know there's a HOWTO on it, somewhere
`02:04.21`	Di``````	`can you find it ?`
`02:04.39`	`Wyzard`	`doublehp: ntp-simple just periodically asks the server what time it is, and sets your clock. If your system's clock naturally runs fast or slow, it'll eventually go wrong again, and then jump back to the correct time next time ntp-simple runs.`
`02:04.42`	`a_monkey`	`ok. i created modelines for my xfree86 config purely from the most precise tech specs on my monitor, so they're obviously the real deal. yet when i use them, the area of rendering on my screen is tilted and shoved over to the side a bit.`
`02:04.48`	`a_monkey`	`is this nothing to worry about?`
`02:04.50`	`Bac9`	`anyone used k3b and can help with getting it to use a writer? The writer is seen but is placed in the cd-rom group`
`02:04.56`	`a_monkey`	`or can i center the area of rendering more?`
`02:05.01`	`Wyzard`	Di``````: Probably, if I looked, but I don't feel like spoon-feeding you... use Google
`02:05.06`	`resiak`	`a_monkey: Use the buttons on your screen?`
`02:05.16`	`a_monkey`	`resiak: don't have buttons.`
`02:05.37`	`Wyzard`	`doublehp: The "real" ntpd actually measures the error in your system's clock oscillator and compensates for it on a continuous basis, so even when the NTP server is unavailable it can still keep the clock fairly accurate`
`02:06.02`	`doublehp`	`Wyzard: I am pretty sure you confuse ntdp (daemon ) and ntpdate@cron`
`02:06.04`	Di``````	`Wyzard: can you say what is the best set up in the google to find ? something like "Debian Sarge Installation Partition Raid"?`
`02:06.05`	`cafuego`	`pixil9: yeah, "dri"`
`02:06.18`	`doublehp`	`Wyzard: ok`
`02:06.21`	`Wyzard`	`doublehp: You don't need ndtpdate if you run ntpd`
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`02:06.41`	`Wyzard`	Di``````: Try "linux root raid howto" as a start
`02:06.42`	`pixil9`	`dri isn't loaded either`
`02:06.51`	`resiak`	`a_monkey: xvidtune`
`02:06.55`	`doublehp`	`Wyzard: /etc/init.d/ntp-server start -> runs ntpd .... since 1 month .... and I am still late ...`
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`02:07.20`	`Wyzard`	Di``````: But first, try just doing it with the installer
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`02:07.26`	`caphuso`	`doublehp: did you run ntpdate before starting ntpd?`
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`02:07.31`	`_antonio`	`hi, i want to install debian on a sunblade 1000`
`02:07.36`	Di``````	`yes i want to do it in with the installer`
`02:07.37`	`a_monkey`	`resiak: hmm. xvidtune can't rotate the screen; only move it up, down, left or right. but i need to rotate it counterclockwise a bit`
`02:07.40`	`pipe`	`_antonio: a 100 or a 1000 ?`
`02:07.44`	`Wyzard`	`doublehp: Run ntpq and type "assoc" to see whether you're actually synced to anything`
`02:07.44`	`doublehp`	`caphuso: ntpdate is not installed .... never been`
`02:07.58`	Di``````	`Wyzard: if i use raid i need to use lvm ?`
`02:07.59`	`Wyzard`	`a_monkey: ONly the controls on your monitor can do that`
`02:08.00`	`_antonio`	`sunblade 1000 and i downloaded the 3.0`
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`02:08.01`	`resiak`	`a_monkey: I'm tempted to say "sucks to be you"...`
`02:08.07`	`resiak`	`a_monkey: No osd?`
`02:08.07`	`pipe`	`_antonio: Also, you may want to consider NetBSD or FreeBSD -- Linux-on-sparc is pretty, uh, uncool.`
`02:08.08`	`_antonio`	`debian 3.0 testing`
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`02:08.21`	`Wyzard`	Di``````: No, LVM is something different
`02:08.32`	`pixil9`	`ok`
`02:08.33`	`caphuso`	`doublehp: that's most likely your problem. ntpd takes about half a week to adjust your 3 minute offsets`
`02:08.34`	`pixil9`	`bbl`
`02:08.36`	`_antonio`	`i use k3b to make the iso image`
`02:08.46`	Di``````	`Wyzard: can i do another question? hehehe`
`02:08.49`	Di``````	`well..`
`02:08.56`	`_antonio`	`but,`
`02:08.57`	`Eclipser`	`I've burnt like one CD with k3b :)`
`02:08.58`	Di``````	`just a logic question`
`02:09.01`	`Wyzard`	Di``````: BTW, your nick is very irritating to type... especially since there's also a "Di```" here so I have to type at least 4 quotes to get it to tab-complete correctly
`02:09.02`	`a_monkey`	`resiak: "osd"?`
`02:09.07`	`Azar`	`pixil9: sorry here is http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt`
`02:09.07`	`Azar`	`test`
`02:09.09`	`Eclipser`	`I was amazed that it worked without any configuration`
`02:09.17`	Di``````	`sorry`
`02:09.18`	`resiak`	`a_monkey: On Screen Display. Are there really no buttons on your screen at all?`
`02:09.29`	`doublehp`	`Wyzard: default Debian conf -> all rejected .... until I add the ones I know in Paris`
`02:09.32`	`Azar`	`test`
`02:09.32`	`_antonio`	`i changed the boot on the computer with boot cdrom`
`02:09.32`	`DiegoElias`	`this good?`
`02:09.38`	`Azar`	`anyone can see me?`
`02:09.40`	`caphuso`	`doublehp: the common setup is to use ntpdate to set the clock right once, and then use ntpd to keep it set`
`02:09.43`	`_antonio`	`but nothing happened`
`02:09.47`	`Azar`	`lost connection for a bit`
`02:09.50`	`shingouz`	`Azar: nope, youre invisible`
`02:09.50`	`a_monkey`	`resiak: nope. i'm on an eMac.`
`02:09.51`	`Xenguy`	`Azar: yes`
`02:09.54`	`_antonio`	`could anyone tell me why?`
`02:09.56`	`Azar`	`thank you :)`
`02:10.07`	`doublehp`	`caphuso: if i keep default debian /etc/ntp.conf ... I never get synchronised`
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`02:10.14`	`resiak`	`a_monkey: :(`
`02:10.19`	`a_monkey`	`:P`
`02:10.21`	`a_monkey`	`beb`
`02:10.23`	`a_monkey`	`*brb`
`02:10.25`	`doublehp`	`caphuso: untill I add my own servers ( the ones I know )`
`02:10.25`	`resiak`	`a_monkey: #debianppc might be able to help`
`02:10.28`	`Wyzard`	`doublehp: You're sure you're only 3 minutes off? If the clock is way off (more than 5000 sec, I think) ntp will assume it's a server problem and itnore it rather than resetting your clock by a large amount`
`02:10.43`	`Wyzard`	`doublehp: Anyway, just use the servers that work for you`
`02:10.57`	`doublehp`	`Wyzard: at the moment I adde 2 servers I know in Paris, hop exact time :)`
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`02:11.20`	`doublehp`	`Wyzard: man ... the conf says: # pool.ntp.org maps to more than 100 low-stratum NTP servers. # Your server will pick a different set every time it starts up.`
`02:11.24`	`Wyzard`	`doublehp: It should never "hop"... ntpd adjusts the clock gradually`
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`02:11.53`	`Wyzard`	`doublehp: Yes, pool.ntp.org is a round-robin DNS, I think... it works for me, but maybe your ISP blocks NTP connections to random hosts, or something`
`02:11.53`	`Enolayale`	`a friend of mine said most people don't download the debian kernels, where should I get a kernel source?`
`02:12.12`	`Wyzard`	`Enolayale: apt-cache search kernel-source`
`02:12.15`	`resiak`	`Enolayale: Are you using Sarge?`
`02:12.16`	`shingouz`	`Enolayale: apt-get install it`
`02:12.23`	`Enolayale`	`resiak: yes`
`02:12.25`	`resiak`	`Enolayale: Do you have any reason to use anything other than the Debian kernels?`
`02:12.31`	`doublehp`	`Wyzard: I am atm in UK ... and I can reach 2 ones in France ...`
`02:12.32`	`Enolayale`	`resiak: no`
`02:12.36`	`resiak`	`Enolayale: Then use them :)`
`02:12.38`	`DiegoElias`	`Wyzard: I have two SATA HD that show to me sda and sdb. I want to do mirroring, raid 1. I need to set up ONE partition in the SDA and one in the SDB with 80GB each of type RAID? Just ONE MD device? In the MD device that i created i do everything that i need?`
`02:12.40`	`dvs`	`Wyzard: That's old ;-)`
`02:12.42`	`resiak`	`Enolayale: Much less hassle.`
`02:12.52`	`caphuso`	`there's an uk.pool.ntp.org round robin too`
`02:12.56`	`Wyzard`	`doublehp: dunno... you can investigate the network issues if you want; all I know is that pool.ntp.org works fine for me, but there's nothing wrong with using other servers`
`02:13.17`	`resiak`	`Enolayale: I must confess I have a hand-rolled 2.6.11, but I had to patch the source anyway for my keyboard (do _not_ buy the Cherry keyboard with Tux keys. It sucks).`
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`02:13.29`	`Enolayale`	`2.6.8 = newest?`
`02:13.31`	`Azar`	`Wyzard how do you cope with sid packaging, isn't breaking the dependencies out there?`
`02:13.38`	`dvs`	`Enolayale: for sarge, yes`
`02:13.41`	`Enolayale`	`thanks`
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`02:13.45`	Gumby`	`can anyone tell me if there is a way to extract the files that are in a windows .exe in linux?`
`02:14.00`	`Wyzard`	`DiegoElias: Yes, create a partition on each drive and RAID the partitions`
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`02:14.15`	`Solet-debian`	`whats a good text editor that will highlight color php code?`
`02:14.28`	`caphuso`	`Solet-debian: emacs or vim`
`02:14.32`	`Wyzard`	`Azar: I'm not sure what you're asking... I run sid, so the dependencies of packages in sid are appropriate for my system.`
`02:14.38`	`Enolayale`	`what is library for menuconfig?`
`02:14.39`	`Solet-debian`	`isnt vim terminal based?`
`02:14.52`	`asg`	`Enolayale: libncurses5-dev`
`02:14.52`	`caphuso`	`Solet-debian: if you want it to be`
`02:14.53`	`ethics`	`Gumby: wine...?`
`02:14.57`	`Enolayale`	`asg: thanks again!`
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`02:15.01`	`asg`	`Enolayale: you're welcome`
`02:15.02`	`Wyzard`	`Solet-debian: I noticed yesterday a package called "gphpedit", though I haven't actually used it yet to see whether it's any good`
`02:15.04`	`Solet-debian`	`how do i make it not terminal based?`
`02:15.08`	`resiak`	`!faq Enolayale`
`02:15.10`	`dpkg`	`Enolayale: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
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`02:15.13`	`caphuso`	`Solet-debian: by using the gtk version`
`02:15.15`	`doublehp`	`Wyzard: whats going on if the internet cnx is established after ntpd is launched ?`
`02:15.17`	`Azar`	`Wyzard because I jumped on sid last year but I backed off when I heard it might create a mess`
`02:15.18`	`asg`	`Solet-debian: gnome-terminal -e vi foo.php`
`02:15.26`	`Eno_`	`is there a way to see details about what users are doing with my sftp?`
`02:15.30`	`DiegoElias`	`Wyzard: Thanks...i'll try tomorrow...i say what happen to you later`
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`02:15.40`	`Wyzard`	`doublehp: It should still work... ntpd will retry the connections periodically`
`02:15.41`	`omnistegan`	`what are some other programs like aptitude`
`02:16.04`	`Eno_`	`omnistegan: synaptic`
`02:16.05`	`gravity`	`omnistegan: dselect, synaptic, gnome-apt`
`02:16.07`	`shingouz`	Gumby`: i think i saw somewhere that they could be renamed to zips and unzipped but i am not sure
`02:16.07`	`dvs`	`omnistegan: synaptic`
`02:16.18`	`asg`	`omnistegan: synaptic (gtk based) dselect (crap based) tasksel (i won't comment)`
`02:16.26`	`Wyzard`	`Azar: Sid is OK with a bit of "care and feeding"... basically, if you know what you're doing and have some common sense, it's fine, but otherwise, it's best avoided`
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`02:17.02`	Gumby`	`shingouz, unzip worked. thanks`
`02:17.06`	`pixil9`	`Just wanted to say thanks.. got it working :)`
`02:17.09`	`Wyzard`	`Azar: I've been running sid on this system for 4.5 years, upgrading daily, and I've had to deal with breakage on occasion, but major problems are uncommon`
`02:17.19`	`shingouz`	`Gumby: nice :)`
`02:17.24`	`Azar`	`Wyzard in other words only after I gain more experience I could jump on sid?`
`02:17.25`	`Solet-debian`	`umm apt-get couldnt find gphpedit :(`
`02:17.26`	`pixil9`	`I've been using freebsd for like 6 years.. i think i'm a new debian lover`
`02:17.48`	`pixil9`	`so much quicker :P`
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`02:17.53`	`chealer`	`Azar: and when you have a reason to do so`
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`02:17.58`	`Wyzard`	`Solet-debian: ah... it's not in woody, sorry`
`02:18.09`	`Solet-debian`	`:(`
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`02:18.38`	`Azar`	`chealer, I loved using sid, but I realized I have no idea what is going on with packages and stuff, so I reinstalled woody to take it slowly , and right from the beginning`
`02:18.51`	`Solet-debian`	`ok then my next question: whats a good accounting software (book keeping, invoicing, billing, client handling etc)`
`02:18.57`	`chealer`	`Azar: hehe, sid to woody...`
`02:19.05`	`asg`	`Solet-debian: gnucash is probably your best bet`
`02:19.22`	`gravity`	`Azar: Good move`
`02:19.34`	`Azar`	`chealer, I realized I am not good for sid unless like Wyzard says: I have to know whats going on`
`02:19.45`	`pixil9`	`Is anyone here running UT1?`
`02:19.47`	`chealer`	`Azar: are you still using woody?`
`02:19.49`	`Solet-debian`	`cause i tried acct but it wouldnt install right`
`02:19.55`	`Solet-debian`	`i'm dling gnucash now`
`02:20.03`	`gravity`	`Azar: You can learn while using sid if you're willing to deal with problems as they come up and read a lot`
`02:20.14`	`Azar`	`chealer, woody for now fiddling with X , nvidia and sound settings, "the debian way"`
`02:20.15`	`Wyzard`	`Azar: On the other hand, running sid can be a good way to learn, if you don't mind learning by necessity sometimes :-)`
`02:20.20`	`gravity`	`Azar: That said, I spent a number of months on stable just learning the basics before moving to unstable`
`02:20.23`	`asg`	`Solet-debian: acct is the unix accounting (i.e. user process accounting) utility suite. Totally different from what you are on about.`
`02:20.32`	`Wyzard`	`Azar: But people here won't be friendly if you come in asking stupid questions and you're running sid`
`02:20.39`	`Solet-debian`	`oh oops`
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`02:20.45`	`asg`	`Solet-debian: :)`
`02:20.49`	`thundrcleeze`	`!oneliner`
`02:20.57`	`Azar`	`my next goal while in woody, learning the shell and customizing it`
`02:20.58`	`thundrcleeze`	`!one-liner`
`02:21.06`	`Solet-debian`	`guess after i finish dling gnucash i will apt-get -purge delete acct`
`02:21.10`	`asg`	`thundrcleeze: which one-liner are you looking for?`
`02:21.17`	`Eno_`	`is there a way to see details about what users are doing with my sftp? (like who is logged in and what they are transfering)`
`02:21.18`	`thundrcleeze`	`the nvidia one.`
`02:21.19`	`dvs`	`asg: Probably nvidia`
`02:21.27`	`gravity`	`thundrcleeze: /msg dpkg one-liner (or anything else)`
`02:21.27`	`asg`	`thundrcleeze: /msg dpkg listkeys nvidia one`
`02:21.38`	`thundrcleeze`	`thanks, asg, gravity.`
`02:21.52`	`asg`	`Solet-debian: it can be useful, but purging it won't harm anything.`
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`02:22.06`	`Solet-debian`	`this is a work machine`
`02:22.16`	`Solet-debian`	`so if it isnt for work i dont want it here :P`
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`02:22.35`	`asg`	`!kick Fieldy in the Snuts`
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`02:22.54`	`asg`	`O_o`
`02:22.59`	`FieldySnuts`	`wtf`
`02:23.11`	`asg`	`FieldySnuts: just being friendly ;)`
`02:23.12`	`FieldySnuts`	`@kill asg`
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`02:24.17`	`prodope`	`will disabling discard/daytime/time in inetd.conf mess with any other processes? (not running much besides apache)`
`02:24.20`	`Azar`	`Doesn't OpenOffice have a spreadsheet program?`
`02:24.24`	`asg`	`prodope: no`
`02:24.28`	`prodope`	`what is the point of having them?`
`02:24.32`	`abashuta`	`I need to install winnt4 on my hard drive, Ive got Debian only running now, someone please tell me how to check to see if there is enough space? Also how would I go about installing windows without hurting the linux os?`
`02:24.34`	`asg`	`prodope: it will make your system rfc incompliant though`
`02:24.45`	`caphuso`	`prodope: hysterical reasons`
`02:24.50`	`shingouz`	`Azar: yes, it comes with the rest of the bloated package`
`02:24.54`	`prodope`	`asg: what does that mean?`
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`02:25.55`	`asg`	`prodope: it doesn't play nice with standard Internet rules, though, as caphuso said, it is mostly historical`
`02:26.15`	`prodope`	`ah ok, thanks`
`02:26.37`	`Solet-debian`	`it wont install gnucash it says that gcdb is messing it up`
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`02:26.52`	`debian`	`abashuta: you'd expect us to give you winnt4 installation guide? :)`
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`02:27.57`	`Wyzard`	`yay, kernel-source-2.6.11 has the vesafb bug fixed`
`02:28.01`	`abashuta`	`no I've installed winnt over 100 times in the past, its just the partitioning I'm not familiar with.`
`02:28.20`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: really? which one?`
`02:28.26`	`shingouz`	`abashuta: going from memory here; minimum 486, 16M or ram, 120M hd for winnt40 workstation`
`02:28.36`	`abashuta`	`That is, how to install it without wiping the hard drive, which is what I always did in the past`
`02:28.41`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: The one which made it not work when compiled statically rather than as a module`
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`02:28.47`	`asg`	`abashuta: 1) fdisk -l /dev/[sh]d[abcd] 2) install windows, use a debian rescue disc to chroot into your debian system to reinstall the bootloader which windows happily overwrites.`
`02:28.49`	`Solet-debian`	`asg: are you still around?`
`02:29.01`	`asg`	`Solet-debian: yeah, back in a sec`
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`02:29.11`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: cool, is it you that reported it? I tried the k7 image this morning but it had ugly messages at boot`
`02:29.12`	`debian`	`abashuta: it's true that winnt installation might actually destroy Linux partition. I've encountered this a couple of times`
`02:29.14`	`Danar`	`how do i get my sound settings to save? every time i reboot, the volume for my left speaker is down a bit o.O`
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`02:29.56`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: I failed to diagnose the problem because neither dmesg nor bootlog store the msgs`
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`02:30.22`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: I've been looking for a way to reproduce all what tty1 shows at boot`
`02:30.24`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: No, I didn't report it, but I just built a new kernel (using the same config as my 2.6.10) and vesafb works fine`
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`02:30.48`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: ah, I thought that was a bug with the images`
`02:30.51`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: dmesg only shows kernel stuff... I think bootlogd was meant to log output from the initscripts, but I don't know much about it`
`02:31.09`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: No, the problem was that vesafb wouldn't get properly initialized so you'd just get a blank screen`
`02:31.13`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: the messages I want appear before kjournald starts`
`02:31.30`	`Danar`	`anyone?`
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`02:31.38`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: dunno about that, sorry`
`02:31.50`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: oh, I was thinking of 289250 which failed to probe vesafb0`
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`02:32.33`	`Bac9`	`anyone used k3b and can help with getting it to use a writer? The writer is seen but is placed in the cd-rom group in the devices config, although the permissions on the actual device are rw`
`02:32.35`	`dli`	`any idea why start-stop-daemon --start would hang forever?`
`02:32.43`	`abashuta`	`Apparently I dont have fdisk, I guess what I'm really trying to find out is if I can make another blank partition for windows, I need to figure out first if this linux partition is taking up the whole drive.`
`02:32.53`	`_Alleria`	`I've an unkillable process blocking on disk access (bad CDR). Do I have to reboot to a) kill the program and b) use my CD drive again?`
`02:32.57`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: Ah... that's related; I meant #282234`
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`02:33.06`	`Bac9`	`abashuta: cfdisk`
`02:33.19`	`dli`	`_Alleria, should D in ps ?`
`02:33.20`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`Aer there problems with the debian install servers? I get errors when trying to download various things while doing a netinst.`
`02:33.28`	`asg`	`Solet-debian: grrr. work issues, someone else will have to help you I'm afraid. Sorry.`
`02:33.28`	`_Alleria`	`abashuta: yes, D in ps.`
`02:33.30`	`dli`	`_Alleria, s/should/shows/`
`02:33.34`	`_Alleria`	`err, dll`
`02:33.37`	`_Alleria`	`yeah, D in ps.`
`02:33.52`	`mwilson`	`PuppiesOnAcid: What would a "Debian install server" be?`
`02:33.58`	`dli`	`_Alleria, I think yes, only reboot fix this, very stupid`
`02:34.00`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`I am doing a netinstall.`
`02:34.06`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`Where you download the base system from the internet.`
`02:34.07`	`Danar`	`how do you save your sound settings (using alsa)?`
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`02:34.14`	`FieldySnuts`	`Danar: alsactl store`
`02:34.20`	`Danar`	`thx`
`02:34.20`	`Wyzard`	`PuppiesOnAcid: I've had that happen when using some mirrors... solution seems to be to just use a different mirror`
`02:34.21`	`_Alleria`	`dli: you'd expect that the program would give up, or the disk driver would give up, or something would give up after a while. I guess not. :-(`
`02:34.24`	`_Alleria`	`dli: thanks...`
`02:34.29`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: ok, that's related but not the same. good for you anyway :)`
`02:34.30`	`Solet-debian`	`ok can some one help me install gnucash... it is failing and saying that gcdb is fucking it up`
`02:34.34`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`Wyzard: Thanks for the info!.`
`02:34.37`	`pipe`	`mwilson: Are you lj's mwilson? o_0`
`02:34.48`	`mwilson`	`lj?`
`02:34.53`	`pipe`	`livejournal.`
`02:34.54`	`dli`	`_Alleria, the real story is that it will happen again after the reboot :(`
`02:34.58`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`Wyzard: Where can I see a mirror list at?`
`02:35.00`	`Danar`	`FieldySnuts: er, not found`
`02:35.11`	`FieldySnuts`	`@lart FieldySnuts`
`02:35.13`	`Wyzard`	`PuppiesOnAcid: I think the installer gives you a list to choose from`
`02:35.24`	`Danar`	`FieldySnuts: thing is, i don't know why they're saving like that`
`02:35.26`	`abashuta`	`Okay apparently I have three partitions 'Linux swap' [which is also boot], extended, and Linux. both extended and Linux have about 6 million blocks assigned to them, which means very little to me.`
`02:35.30`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`Wyzard: Nope, you gotta type it in manually.`
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`02:35.51`	`Wyzard`	`PuppiesOnAcid: Well, there's a list somewhere on debian.org; I don't remember the URL offhand`
`02:35.57`	`debian`	`abashuta: how did you check it`
`02:36.00`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`Wyzard: Alright`
`02:36.04`	`Wyzard`	`PuppiesOnAcid: must only be the new sarge installer that gives you a list`
`02:36.28`	`abashuta`	`Is this extended partition a blank partitio or part of linux? [I checked with fdisk - previously I wasnt logged in as su 'oops']`
`02:36.41`	`debian`	`abashuta: have you tried cfdisk`
`02:36.51`	`abashuta`	`no, should I?`
`02:37.02`	`debian`	`abashuta: your choice`
`02:37.12`	`mwilson`	`I swear... everyone that reads d-u is a moron.`
`02:37.23`	`debian`	`!d-u`
`02:37.23`	`dpkg`	`i heard d-u is the debian-user list; sign up at http://lists.debian.org/. Use an interesting subject, and include useful information in the body, we're not mindreaders!`
`02:37.27`	`debian`	`now everybody is morons`
`02:37.38`	`blafard`	`Hi, I am experiencing very sluggish internet performance on my Linux box. I think it is a problem with my linux configurations because the box is serving to machines running OS X and Windows which have no performance problems. Can someone help me/give me a direction to look?`
`02:37.40`	`zignig`	`debian: what do you mean new ?`
`02:37.49`	`zignig`	`s/new/now`
`02:38.07`	`debian`	`zignig: j/k`
`02:38.21`	`zignig`	`debian: hehe , ok`
`02:38.24`	`Azar`	`PuppiesOnAcid: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list`
`02:38.36`	`mwilson`	`blafard: No one gets to know what "sluggish internet performance" actually MEANS, of course.`
`02:38.37`	`debian`	`blafard: what exactly is the problem?`
`02:38.48`	`DiegoElias`	`Wyzard: cya later!`
`02:38.55`	`debian`	`mwilson: something related to slugs?`
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`02:39.38`	`blafard`	`right, sorry, so, for instance, every web browser I ever try takes an extraordinarily long time to load anything.`
`02:39.50`	`debian`	`blafard: what web browser`
`02:39.52`	`abashuta`	`well according to cfdisk I have 2 partitions, the boot is 254 megs and the linux ext2 is a little over 6 gigs, I'm pretty sure I need about 2 gigs for my windows partition, and also fairly sure I'm not using much on this linux partition. Is there a pay to make a new partition off this linux one safely?`
`02:39.59`	`blafard`	`I don't think it's DNS because of what it is telling me at the bottom of the screen`
`02:40.06`	`blafard`	`konqueror, mozilla, firefox, opera`
`02:40.11`	`debian`	`abashuta: you've no space left?`
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`02:40.16`	`Solet-debian`	`whats the apt-get command for purging a package?`
`02:40.29`	`abashuta`	`It doesnt look like it`
`02:40.31`	`gravity`	`Solet-debian: apt-get purge (although aptitude > apt-get)`
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`02:40.40`	`shingouz`	`Solet-debian: apt-get remove --purge (man apt-get)`
`02:40.45`	`cartel_`	`apt-get --purge`
`02:40.47`	`debian`	`abashuta: what is the partition type of your largest partition?`
`02:40.58`	`abashuta`	`Logical`
`02:41.05`	`prodope`	`ps aux`
`02:41.06`	`Solet-debian`	`wow fifty-three point seven answers`
`02:41.07`	`Solet-debian`	`:P`
`02:41.12`	`prodope`	`oops`
`02:41.12`	`debian`	`abashuta: I meant, ext2, ext3, or anything other jfs?`
`02:41.22`	`abashuta`	`ext2`
`02:41.26`	`grigor1`	`hi, i am looking for a good sample iptables script to tweak for my firewall, I have used Oscar Andreasson's script from netfilter for years and I am wondering whether anyone knows of a better script. I don't need any NAT or port forwarding, just a simple script with all the security precautions (ping of death, SYN flooding, etc) thanks`
`02:41.35`	`debian`	`abashuta: use parted`
`02:41.48`	`Danar`	`uh, i'm getting a weird error doing man alsaconf`
`02:41.49`	`debian`	`abashuta: to resize your largest partition`
`02:41.52`	`dli`	`grigor1, bastille`
`02:41.52`	`Danar`	`sh: Cannot fork`
`02:41.52`	`Danar`	`man: command exited with status 512: (echo '.ll 191n'; /usr/bin/zsoelim /tmp/zmanvJ1VRO) \| /usr/bin/tbl \| /usr/bin/nroff -mandoc -rLL=191n -rLT=191n -Tutf8 \| exec /usr/bin/pager -s`
`02:41.57`	`abashuta`	`can you elaborate? parted?`
`02:42.00`	`stew`	`grigor1: i used to like fwbuilder`
`02:42.02`	`debian`	`abashuta: but I'd recommend you making backups`
`02:42.04`	`dli`	`grigor1, apt-get install bastille psad`
`02:42.15`	`debian`	`abashuta: especially when you're going to install windows later`
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`02:42.34`	`grigor1`	`stew: thanks`
`02:42.55`	`debian`	`abashuta: windows installation always destroy other non-windows paritions. I've encountered this b4`
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`02:43.11`	`debian`	`abashuta: there's no problem vice-versa`
`02:43.11`	`stew`	`grigor1: it has a wizard, asks you some questions, gives you a gui to edit rules, then you can export a iptables script from it`
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`02:43.47`	`grigor1`	`dli: thanks`
`02:44.00`	`Xenguy`	`grigor1: shorewall`
`02:44.09`	`abashuta`	`I might as well just get another harddrive if its going to be that difficult - thanks for the help all`
`02:44.30`	`debian`	`abashuta: wise choice`
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`02:45.03`	`sanmarcos`	`I have a weird probelm, which might have to with permissions, my normal users (all except) root, cant su into another user or root, it just fails, even with the right passwd.. I mean i CAN login as root at boot, but normal users just cant su into anything, I tried reinstalling login and all packages with stuff in /bin/*, and I checked for rootkits, no I havent been hacked, any ideas? I am totally lost, pam.d hasnt been touched a`
`02:45.03`	`sanmarcos`	`t all.. and on auth log I get "user not found" when I try to su root as a normal user`
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`02:46.19`	`grigor1`	`stew: but does it automatically know about all the attacks that I don't know about?`
`02:46.28`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: is the su binary suid root?`
`02:46.43`	`stew`	`grigor1: it gives you checkboxes for many types of attacks`
`02:47.25`	`grigor1`	`stew: great`
`02:47.40`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: -rwsr-xr-x as is sudo, (which gives me, sudo: must be setuid root)`
`02:47.45`	`grigor1`	`Xenguy: how is Shorewall different from fwbuilder or Bastille?`
`02:47.54`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: yeah that looks right`
`02:48.55`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: this ok ? /dev/hda2 / ext3 user,exec,dev,rw,auto ?`
`02:48.57`	`Xenguy`	`grigor1: Bastille is a different category AFAIK; fwbuilder I have not used. I can only tell you that 'shorewall' is a well-done firewall script`
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`02:49.15`	`sanmarcos`	`"Also, the file system sudo resides`
`02:49.16`	`sanmarcos`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:49.16`	`sanmarcos`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:49.16`	`sanmarcos`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:49.16`	`sanmarcos`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`02:49.27`	`sanmarcos`	`oops I am sorry`
`02:49.29`	`sanmarcos`	`:/`
`02:49.47`	`mwilson`	`blafard: You'll get around to actually letting us know what it's supposedly telling you at the bottom of the screen?`
`02:50.07`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: $PATH is fine, and I dont see a prob on that fstab line.`
`02:50.36`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: i don't know why you have / user mountable but its not a problem and the rest looks fine`
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`02:51.52`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: I am totally lost, theres no information to go on`
`02:51.56`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: and you should never have . in your path whatever that says`
`02:52.32`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: a dot?, of course not`
`02:52.34`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: is anything showing up in /var/log/auth.log?`
`02:52.57`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: my next step would be to strace it and see if anything interesting shows up`
`02:53.05`	`dli`	`stew: I just got rooted, but nothing wrong in /var/log/auth.log`
`02:53.18`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: Apr 6 19:45:18 athlon unix_chkpwd[7232]: check pass; user unknown`
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`02:53.28`	`shingouz`	`dli: hello, new install`
`02:53.34`	`dli`	`stew: the good thing is that all boxes with bastill and psad are fine`
`02:53.40`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: them pam_unix auth failure..`
`02:53.48`	`Azar`	`I have a newbie question related to upgrading the kernel: I am still not understanding why "fakeroot" is needed and when and where use it? as root or as user?`
`02:53.58`	`shingouz`	`Azar: as user`
`02:54.00`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: Yes, is there a way to see what files it access, or what does it do.. because su is not very verbose`
`02:54.09`	`dli`	`shingouz: I think I cleaned it up, unplugged, and still testing`
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`02:54.18`	`Azar`	`shingouz, why is advisable to upgrade the kernel in usermode?`
`02:54.31`	`Zenethian`	`What is the difference between the xfs-xtt and xfstt packages? I for the life of me cannot figure it out.`
`02:54.31`	`shingouz`	`dli: you cannot trust the system anymore. i would not trust a breached system`
`02:54.55`	`shingouz`	`Azar: doing the compile in usemode, you have to install the kernel as root`
`02:55.00`	`dli`	`shingouz, indeed, you can not trust even after reinstall, because it can still get rooted`
`02:55.01`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: are you sure you haven't messed in /etc/pam.d? do you have another machine you can compare /etc/pam.d/su to?`
`02:55.04`	`grigor1`	`Xenguy: thanks`
`02:55.28`	`Azar`	`shingouz: would not be easier to just move as root and do the installation/compilation?`
`02:55.32`	`shingouz`	`dli: of course you have to know what happened and plug the holes in the new install`
`02:55.36`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: do this: strace -o /tmp/su.log su ; then grep su.log for open`
`02:55.41`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: never touched pam`
`02:55.45`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: that will tell you what files it accesses`
`02:56.10`	`spoopin`	`sanmarcos: /etc/passwd is there and readable, isn't it..`
`02:56.11`	`shingouz`	`Azar: compilation and then install, not the other way around. compiling as root is not really a good idea unless you absolutely have to do it`
`02:56.13`	`dli`	`shingouz, basically, the rootkit opened backdoor in most services, ssh, smtp, imap, telnet, ftp, xmail`
`02:56.19`	`Azar`	`shingouz: is just I do not understand what for is "fakeroot" recommended, unless is refering to users that do not have root privileges?`
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`02:56.38`	`shingouz`	`dli: and do you know for sure what the asshole installed on your system while he fuxx0red with it`
`02:56.44`	`dli`	`shingouz: I manually, checked each, but again there's no warranty`
`02:56.45`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: do you want me to paste this anywhere? should I check if its all readable?`
`02:56.46`	`shingouz`	`Azar: man fakeroot`
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`02:56.56`	`Azar`	`shingouz: , thanks`
`02:57.03`	`sanmarcos`	`spoopin: /etc/passwd is readable with a normal user, shadow isnt`
`02:57.10`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: strace produces tons of data, you are going to have to sort through it yourself`
`02:57.11`	`shingouz`	`Azar: /msg dpkg fakeroot`
`02:57.32`	`dli`	`shingouz, that's my question, after go over all the tracing, webmin, seems be to the reason`
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`02:57.50`	`shingouz`	`dli: do not install webmin again then :)`
`02:57.57`	`spoopin`	`sanmarcos: quite. I know it shows up in strace's output so I thought I'd better ask...`
`02:57.59`	`Enolayale`	`having a big problem with make menuconfig -`
`02:58.06`	`Solet-debian`	`stupid question... but was dream weaver ever released for a linux platform? (i'm sure it would be nonfree but thats not my concern)`
`02:58.07`	`Enolayale`	`error messages`
`02:58.10`	`dli`	`shingouz, again, without going to so much details, I didn't run bastill+psad on that box, I blame myself`
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`02:58.39`	`shingouz`	`dli: such things happen from time to time. learning experiences as they are called`
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`02:58.42`	`dli`	`Enolayale, apt-get install libncurses5-dev`
`02:58.46`	`Azar`	`shingouz: , man gave me nothing for fakeroot, tried to install installation failed`
`02:58.48`	`Enolayale`	`dli: did that`
`02:59.00`	`Azar`	`shingouz: apt-get install fakeroot did not perform`
`02:59.04`	`shingouz`	`Azar: /msg dpkg fakeroot`
`02:59.20`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: all of the stuff is readable except shadow`
`02:59.21`	`shingouz`	`Enolayale: how about telling us a bit more about the errors?`
`02:59.34`	`dli`	`shingouz, they got two boxes in this cluster, but the good thing is that there was still another uncompromised gate, so I can login`
`02:59.38`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1097 2005-04-06 16:55 /etc/shadow`
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`02:59.51`	`witless`	`apt-get for windows. what do you think?`
`02:59.55`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: looks the same on mine`
`03:00.02`	`Enolayale`	`HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep`
`03:00.05`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: have you googled for that message in auth.log?`
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`03:00.16`	`Enolayale`	`/bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found`
`03:00.21`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: yes`
`03:00.22`	`slocate`	`hey, i`
`03:00.27`	`Enolayale`	`make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 127`
`03:00.33`	`Enolayale`	`make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2`
`03:00.48`	`mwilson`	`Enolayale: Ever considered that compiling a kernel kind of requires a C compiler?`
`03:00.57`	`stew`	`!b-e Enolayale`
`03:00.57`	`dpkg`	`Enolayale: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.`
`03:00.58`	`Azar`	`shingouz: ok so fakeroot is what its name say: faking root. I would like to know what is the advantage of using fakeroot from usermode for compiling/installing a new kernel as opposed to logging in as root and doing the same task without the need of fakeroot?`
`03:01.10`	`slocate`	`hey, i can't here sound from xmms even after loading my isa card modules`
`03:01.16`	`Enolayale`	`I'm so new :(`
`03:01.26`	`dli`	`mwilson, will apt-get install kernel-package does gcc also ?`
`03:01.27`	`slocate`	`hear*`
`03:01.33`	`Enolayale`	`thanks again`
`03:01.37`	`stew`	`Azar: its always safer to not use root if its possible. fakeroot lets you do stuff like create tar files containing files with root ownership`
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`03:01.57`	`Azar`	`stew, pretty clear, thank you`
`03:02.23`	`slocate`	`that problem is in 2.6.11.5 kernel`
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`03:02.52`	`Enolayale`	`what did it have to compile to get menuconfig?`
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`03:03.22`	`Slainte`	`Hello. I am trying to compile a few apps, and am getting an error error: termcap support not found I have termcap-compat installed. as seen /var/cache/apt/archives/termcap-compat_1.2.3_i386.deb Any ideas on whrere to look?`
`03:03.23`	`mwilson`	`Enolayale: The dialog application that provides the menus.`
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`03:03.35`	`Vladi`	`hi, i have installed mailman on sarge and aliased it acording to the howto but whenever i go to the url the page is garbled with some html in and and some cgi errors can somone please help me?`
`03:03.42`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: nothing, I am totally lost`
`03:03.46`	`mwilson`	`Slainte: Gee, like development support for termcap/termlib?`
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`03:04.01`	`chealer`	`slocate: did you try using a debian kernel?`
`03:04.03`	`calin`	`Vladi: What's mailman for`
`03:04.15`	`mwilson`	`dli: I have no idea what kernel-package will do. I have never wasted my time with it.`
`03:04.24`	`Vladi`	`calin: maling lists`
`03:04.36`	`slocate`	`chealer: no`
`03:04.52`	`chealer`	`slocate: that would be a good idea`
`03:05.08`	`slocate`	`chealer: i compile my own kernels`
`03:05.11`	`Slainte`	`mwilson: its an app that has a CLI, which therefore needs the termcap. I cant even find anything in the apt-get tree that might provide the support I thought termcap-compat was what I needed`
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`03:05.43`	`slocate`	`chealer: and it works fine i any of the 2.4.*`
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`03:06.48`	`chealer`	`slocate: did you use kernel-source-2.6.11 2.6.11-1?`
`03:07.24`	`mwilson`	`I have no idea why it would require a termcap, just because it has a CLI, but hey, whatever you say.`
`03:07.24`	`slocate`	`chealer: i use the 2.6.11.5 tar ball`
`03:07.55`	`chealer`	`!tell slocate about kp`
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`03:08.53`	`slocate`	`chealer: wtf that has to do with the price of tea in china?`
`03:09.00`	`Slainte`	`I am creating a vertial terminal inside the application as a CLI. is that not what termcap is for?`
`03:09.48`	`chealer`	`slocate: this explain how to compile a custom kernel the debian way.`
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`03:10.06`	`grigor1`	`anyone recommends using Advanced Policy Firewall?`
`03:10.10`	`chip_dirt`	`If I want to find debian source for a kernel build without using apt-get kernel-package, where do I find the sources?`
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`03:10.24`	`maher`	`Slainte: did you read the package description?`
`03:10.25`	`narko`	`ubuntu is bad��`
`03:10.35`	`mwilson`	`narko: If you say so.`
`03:10.45`	`dli`	`grigor1, in bastille? yes for me`
`03:10.55`	`stew`	`chip_dirt: apt-cache search kernel-source`
`03:11.03`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: I mount -n -o remount,rw,suid /, and now sudo actually asks me for passwd`
`03:11.12`	`grigor1`	`dli: what do you mean?`
`03:11.15`	`narko`	`i prefer minislack`
`03:11.18`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: NOW IT WORKS`
`03:11.32`	`mwilson`	`narko: Then use minislack. Do you have any sort of point?`
`03:11.32`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: wtf, remounting suid did it`
`03:11.42`	`dli`	`grigor1, I go through the advanced firewall questions`
`03:11.47`	`cafuego`	`sanmarcos: Of course, sudo must run setuid root.`
`03:12.07`	`cafuego`	`sanmarcos: Did you previously mount it nosuid or something?`
`03:12.10`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: yeah, looks like user implies nosuid`
`03:12.12`	`narko`	`alguien k hable espa�ol`
`03:12.14`	`narko`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:12.15`	`sanmarcos`	`cafuego: I know, but it was setuid, and it wanst mounted nosuid`
`03:12.19`	`mwilson`	`narko: So far you've told us about Ubuntu, which isn't Debian, so no one cares, and about minislack, which again isn't Debian, so again no one cares.`
`03:12.20`	`Slainte`	`http://packages.debian.org/stable/oldlibs/termcap-compat Yep`
`03:12.23`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: yeah`
`03:12.36`	`stew`	`sanmarcos: which i see now in the mount manpage`
`03:12.49`	`slocate`	`can somebody give m a hand with the 2.6.11.5 kernel and sound?`
`03:12.52`	`chip_dirt`	`stew: which version of 2.4 with patches would you suggest?`
`03:13.00`	`Slainte`	`It wont compile without support. I keep getting configure: error: termcap support not found`
`03:13.00`	`stew`	`!wayttd chip_dirt`
`03:13.01`	`dpkg`	`What Are You Trying To Do, chip_dirt?`
`03:13.02`	`dli`	`in how mang languages the #debian channel is?`
`03:13.07`	`maher`	`Slainte: well did you do what it said?`
`03:13.08`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: heh`
`03:13.11`	`stew`	`dli: 1`
`03:13.13`	`sanmarcos`	`stew: thanks`
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`03:13.38`	`chip_dirt`	`stew: build a kernel for a p1 laptop with soundcard`
`03:13.44`	`slocate`	`i compiled all of the modules i needed but i gets no sound`
`03:13.48`	`stew`	`!wayc chip_dirt`
`03:13.49`	`dpkg`	`chip_dirt: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get?`
`03:13.55`	`mwilson`	`dli: One.`
`03:14.36`	`Slainte`	`maher: I dont understand what it means by Ncurses termcap`
`03:14.44`	`narko`	`minislack is far better`
`03:14.52`	`chip_dirt`	`stew: my hard-core debian mentor doesn't believe in apt-get. also, its having trouble finding kernel-package. suggests --force dependencies or update`
`03:15.00`	`maher`	`Slainte: replace the '-ltermcap' with '-lncurses' in the makefile`
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`03:15.08`	`stew`	`chip_dirt: you should find a new mentor`
`03:15.12`	`random_`	`hi`
`03:15.14`	`chealer`	`narko: please stop that. we don't want to hear your opinion`
`03:15.16`	`random_`	`is there any way to search a group of files for a single word?`
`03:15.18`	`gravity`	`chip_dirt: Your hard-core debian mentor is an idiot if he's telling you to compile everything yourself`
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`03:15.23`	`chip_dirt`	`stew: he suggested this channel, actually`
`03:15.33`	`chealer`	`Random: grep, on a group of files`
`03:15.35`	`stew`	`chip_dirt: you should suggest it for him`
`03:15.37`	`maher`	`chip_dirt: that goes double then :)`
`03:15.47`	`random_`	`chealer: do you know the commandline?`
`03:15.50`	`dogayonv`	`hello everyone`
`03:15.50`	`Slainte`	`termcap is not even in the make file`
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`03:16.03`	`stew`	`chip_dirt: and what do you want to --force, you should pretty much never be --force'ing anything`
`03:16.08`	`chip_dirt`	`stew: he installed compact 2.2 no problem, but I want to get the sound card working and figured I may as well just do it`
`03:16.22`	`maher`	`Slainte: grep -R termcap *`
`03:16.30`	`narko`	`fuck`
`03:16.44`	`stew`	`chip_dirt: apt-cache search kernel-package-2.4 ; pick one, apt-get install it; if you use lilo and not grub pay attention when it talks about initrd`
`03:16.47`	`Padat`	`Hi guys, i compiled a bandwidth mgt tool, it compiled fine but when i executed it, i get this error, bwm_graph: error while loading shared libraries: libbwm.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory any help plz ?`
`03:16.49`	`narko`	`fuck you chealer`
`03:16.59`	`Slainte`	`maher, term is only twice in the make file. Once in the comment at the top, and once as term.o`
`03:17.11`	`chealer`	`random_: grep foo [FILE...]`
`03:17.16`	`random_`	`k`
`03:17.16`	`gravity`	`Solet-debian: Fix a bug`
`03:17.17`	`random_`	`thx`
`03:17.19`	`chealer`	`random_: and man grep`
`03:17.22`	`chip_dirt`	`stew: it lists 2.4.25 through 27. any differene?`
`03:17.24`	`random_`	`k`
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`03:17.27`	`maher`	`Slainte: what are you trying to compile`
`03:17.29`	`Solet-debian`	`gravity: yeah right.....`
`03:17.29`	`stew`	`use .27`
`03:17.32`	`chealer`	`narko: no problem, as long as you stop being offtopic`
`03:17.36`	`Slainte`	`Asterisk`
`03:17.47`	`Wyzard`	`narko: You're entitled to your opinion, but this is a Debian channel... if you don't have anything Debian-related to talk about, why are you here?`
`03:17.53`	`Solet-debian`	`omg....... mencal.... wtf... some one accually made a debian package for that?`
`03:18.06`	`narko`	`jajjajaja`
`03:18.08`	`narko`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`03:18.09`	`mwilson`	`Padat: Other than telling you to provide that library, exactly what help do you expect to get?`
`03:18.11`	`narko`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:18.12`	`maher`	`Slainte: its packaged`
`03:18.13`	`narko`	`sorry`
`03:18.19`	`chip_dirt`	`stew: sorry, that was "-fix" not "force"`
`03:18.32`	`Enolayale`	`should i just make? is that how you do it the deb way?`
`03:18.41`	`narko`	`i love debian but i change`
`03:18.45`	`narko`	`plop�`
`03:18.51`	`Slainte`	`maher, yes but I am having troubles with the zaptel drivers now. The package is not upto date with the patch I need for the zaptel drivers`
`03:18.56`	`stew`	`Enolayale: /msg dpkg kp`
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`03:19.10`	`maher`	`Slainte: what version of debian`
`03:19.41`	`Wyzard`	`narko: That's good, you should use whatever distribution best suits your needs, but I don't see why you're announcing this to all of #debian`
`03:19.53`	`Padat`	`mwilson: i have seen that lib file is in /usr/local/lib, its there`
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`03:20.08`	`chealer`	`why does nvidia-kernel-source recommend devscripts?`
`03:20.45`	`Wyzard`	`Padat: If you have a file in /usr/local/lib, it wasn't put there by a Debian package...`
`03:20.53`	`maher`	`gravity: yeah right`
`03:21.03`	`shingouz`	`Padat: if you needed bwm why didn't you just apt-get it into place instead of compiling it yourself`
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`03:21.11`	`gravity`	`heh`
`03:21.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`chealer: because devscripts is useful, and some optional script probably uses it...`
`03:21.30`	`Padat`	`shingouz: is it available there ?`
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`03:21.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`chealer: devscripts only contains a few dozen useful little utilities...`
`03:21.43`	`shingouz`	`Padat: apt-cache search foo`
`03:22.02`	`dogayonv`	`Guys, Im inexperienced with linux, and have reached a dead end because of my abilities, I had someone redo my system remotely and he fixed all of my problems except for 2. Sound and Wireless, a netinstall gets everything working, I hate to loose everything but it seems the much faster route, its been months and all the man pages and googles searches havent helped me. Any newbie friendly advice?`
`03:22.09`	`chealer`	`dondelelcaro: ok. a script of nvidia-kernel-source? because that package doesn't contain any script`
`03:22.15`	`Solet-debian`	`is it the new mozzila or the new fire fox that has the built in ftp client and irc client?`
`03:22.19`	`Padat`	`right`
`03:22.20`	`maher`	`dogayonv: what version of debian`
`03:22.34`	`narko`	`www.utpinux.org`
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`03:22.42`	`narko`	`bye`
`03:22.48`	`chealer`	`Solet-debian: none have a built in IRC client. there's the chatzilla extension though`
`03:22.54`	`bluefox83`	`haha, forgoto opening another tab keeps it in the root window :P`
`03:23.00`	`mwilson`	`Solet-debian: firefox has supported ftp since it was created, as has Mozilla.`
`03:23.05`	`mwilson`	`Solet-debian: Nothing new about it.`
`03:23.15`	`dogayonv`	`2.4.26-1-686`
`03:23.19`	`bluefox83`	`whats the /dev to use for a usb mouse in the 2.6 kernels?`
`03:23.33`	`maher`	`dogayonv: i mean stable or testing`
`03:23.37`	`chealer`	`dondelelcaro: what I find strange is that devscripts's description is "Scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier"`
`03:23.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`chealer: could also be that the maintainer feels that using debuild is an easy way to build the package.`
`03:23.45`	`Solet-debian`	`whats the firefox site?`
`03:23.48`	`narko`	`help this group >>>>>>> www.utpinux.org`
`03:23.48`	`dogayonv`	`how can I tell maher?`
`03:23.52`	`Enolayale`	`stew: can I message you?`
`03:23.53`	`dondelelcaro`	`chealer: yes, that's exactly what devscripts is`
`03:23.58`	`maher`	`dogayonv: cat /etc/debian_version`
`03:24.04`	`mwilson`	`Solet-debian: Ever hear of Google?`
`03:24.06`	`debian`	`Solet-debian: same as mozilla's`
`03:24.13`	`stew`	`Enolayale: you are better off keeping it here, i'm going to be soon`
`03:24.14`	`dogayonv`	`3.1`
`03:24.15`	`chip_dirt`	`stew: OK its downloading. now do I need any more arguments for apt-get install kernel-package?`
`03:24.16`	`chealer`	`dondelelcaro: but nvidia-kernel-source isn't for maintainers...`
`03:24.27`	`Wyzard`	`narko: Please stop spamming the channel`
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`03:24.32`	`Enolayale`	`I assume make-kpkg makes a .deb file for my new kernel?`
`03:24.37`	`maher`	`dogayonv: so stuff doesn't work now - but it works when you do a netinstall?`
`03:24.46`	`dogayonv`	`well what happened was`
`03:24.49`	`shingouz`	`Enolayale: yes`
`03:24.49`	`stew`	`chip_dirt: no, just if you use lilo, pay attention when it talks about initrd`
`03:24.53`	`stew`	`Enolayale: yes`
`03:24.58`	`dli`	`chip_dirt, it "apt-get install kernel-package" works, that's it`
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`03:25.05`	`Enolayale`	`make-kpkg: command not found`
`03:25.06`	`mwilson`	`dondelelcaro: He really has trouble with simple reasoning, doesn't he?`
`03:25.06`	`dogayonv`	`my system was working but it was buggy, the sound would come and go`
`03:25.21`	`dli`	`Enolayale, apt-get install kernel-package`
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`03:25.25`	`chip_dirt`	`stew: so I should run make xconfig to build it? I've actually done pretty well with lilo.`
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`03:25.39`	`stew`	`chip_dirt: no, you are getting a pre-compiled kernel, no need to compile anything`
`03:25.42`	`Enolayale`	`ah -_-`
`03:25.43`	`stew`	`Enolayale: /msg dpkg kp`
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`03:25.56`	`Enolayale`	`alright, I should be good from here on in!`
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`03:25.58`	`chealer`	`dondelelcaro: the README.Debian doesn't mention debuild anyway`
`03:26.01`	`pixil9`	`hello :P`
`03:26.13`	`dondelelcaro`	`chealer: uh, sure, but if you're going to actually build the package, you may want to use something from devscripts, or the maintainer thought it was important.`
`03:26.17`	`dogayonv`	`someone tried to get me to install differnt sound system, and I messed it up, I tried to manually reinstall over the old system and it was badly messed up, a guy about 6 months ago remoted into my system and fixed everything but sound and wireless, we actually had sound in 1 kernel and wireless in another but no mouse`
`03:26.20`	`bluefox83`	`hello? what do you set XF86Config-4 to for usb mouse?`
`03:26.23`	`shingouz`	`Enolayale: apt-get isntall kernel-image does not install the custom kernel you just made`
`03:26.46`	`Enolayale`	`I know`
`03:26.47`	`pixil9`	`Wondering if anyone would have any idea why UT can't download maps off web redirects.. normal DLs work fine. I have no software firewall and a linksys router. I'm also dual booting and the downloads work fine in windows`
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`03:27.03`	`bluefox83`	`should be something like /dev/input/mouse or /dev/psaux ?`
`03:27.04`	`chealer`	`dondelelcaro: ah, ok, but this is not a build-depend, it's a recommendation of the package`
`03:27.04`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: As long as you rely on other people to make your system work, you'll never learn much about it yourself`
`03:27.05`	`stew`	`chip_dirt: don't /msg me`
`03:27.05`	`shingouz`	`just making sure..`
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`03:27.10`	`stew`	`chip_dirt: there is no need to configure anything`
`03:27.18`	`Enolayale`	`shingouz: eh - I suck at this`
`03:27.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`chealer: but it's a SOURCE package...`
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`03:27.46`	`stew`	`Enolayale: why are you compiling a kenrel in the first place/`
`03:27.46`	`mwilson`	`chealer: So don't install it, then, if you have some sort of religious problem with it.`
`03:27.47`	`dogayonv`	`Wyzard its been months and this is beyond me, I have tried and tried I even joined a local linux user group and these people are less knowledagable than me :(`
`03:27.54`	`maher`	`dogayonv: what was that stuff about a netinstall`
`03:27.58`	`shingouz`	`Enolayale: if you do not absolutely need a custom kernel you would be better off using the debian kernels for a while`
`03:27.58`	`Enolayale`	`stew: to get better at this`
`03:27.59`	`chealer`	`dondelelcaro: hehe, ok now I guess I'm a cluebie :)`
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`03:28.09`	`eMerged`	`Seb: what's up?`
`03:28.20`	`mwilson`	`dogayonv: LUG are never worth the bother of actually attending a meeting.`
`03:28.26`	`chip_dirt`	`stew: isn't that the "debian way"?`
`03:28.27`	`dogayonv`	`maher I downedloaded a netinstall cd image and installed with that, it detected everythiing and set it all up for me`
`03:28.28`	`stew`	`Enolayale: you will find tat some of the people here that know what they are doing the best don't bother compiling kernels`
`03:28.37`	`stew`	`chip_dirt: what? compiling? no`
`03:28.43`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: It's been months, but it sounds like the only real maintenance work that's been done on your system in those months is other people fixing things for you`
`03:28.50`	`billyoc`	`mwilson: i'd have no t-shirts if it weren't for NYLUG meetings. :)`
`03:28.51`	`dogayonv`	`mwilson most of them ran redhat only 1 guy ran debian and he left the group`
`03:29.02`	`maher`	`dogayonv: either port the new settings to the old install or port the old config to the new install`
`03:29.03`	`mwilson`	`stew: I'd rather not, but the last thing I'd want to do is run a Debian kernel.`
`03:29.07`	`eMerged`	`Seb: it's Matt - you will now answer.`
`03:29.13`	`madclicker`	`is there a software simular to netdrake in debian?`
`03:29.17`	`Enolayale`	`stew: oh`
`03:29.19`	`stew`	`mwilson: granted. hence the some`
`03:29.27`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: I once attended a LUG meeting in Philadelphia and Debian was the main topic of discussion, actually`
`03:29.28`	`mwilson`	`madclicker: Does anyone get to know what "netdrake" is?`
`03:29.51`	`gravity`	`madclicker: What is netdrake?`
`03:29.51`	`shingouz`	`madclicker: and netdrake is what?`
`03:29.52`	`dogayonv`	`Wyzard 1 person and I have sat with my system tetered to a cable because I cant get wiresless to work`
`03:29.52`	`maher`	`dogayonv: probably the latter is easier`
`03:29.52`	`dogayonv`	`for 6 months`
`03:29.52`	`madclicker`	`mandrake high level config interfac`
`03:29.54`	`madclicker`	`interfacew`
`03:29.55`	`Xenguy`	`grigor1: yw`
`03:29.57`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: What things have you tried doing to get it to work?`
`03:29.59`	`gravity`	`for...?`
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`03:30.11`	`madclicker`	`for networking`
`03:30.19`	`PuppiesOnAcid`	`Isn't there some wrapper for cdparanoia that will rip and convert to MP3s right away?`
`03:30.20`	`stew`	`gravity: was it crazy warm there today as well as here?`
`03:30.22`	`gravity`	`madclicker: Just read man interfaces. It's very easy to set up`
`03:30.24`	`dogayonv`	`I read man pages and googled for a few weeks and I never could get it to work so I gave up`
`03:30.26`	`maher`	`PuppiesOnAcid: abcde`
`03:30.27`	`chealer`	`dondelelcaro: however, according to http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html it's a binary package`
`03:30.31`	`mwilson`	`stew: Perhaps Debian's kernels are no longer musical patches, but I find I'm not interested in learning either way.`
`03:30.35`	`gravity`	`stew: It was pretty nice here, but it only got in to the high 50's I think`
`03:30.39`	`dogayonv`	`as I said before 6 months later Im ready to just netinstall to get it up and running`
`03:30.45`	`chealer`	`mwilson: it's already installed :) just wondering why it's that way`
`03:30.55`	`chip_dirt`	`stew: OK, it put a tar.gz in /usr/src.`
`03:30.57`	`stew`	`gravity: we hit 70 i think and more of the same tomorrow`
`03:30.59`	`maher`	`dogayonv: why don't you just do that`
`03:31.03`	`madclicker`	`gravity: easy for u 2 say ;-)`
`03:31.08`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: By all means, go ahead and do the netinstall`
`03:31.12`	`gravity`	`stew: Oh nice!`
`03:31.16`	`gravity`	`madclicker: Read it and see`
`03:31.19`	`shingouz`	`madclicker: just read the manpage, it is not that hard`
`03:31.21`	`madclicker`	`gravity: am a dear in the headlights`
`03:31.25`	`gravity`	`madclicker: You'll be amazed`
`03:31.31`	`gravity`	`madclicker: You know how to read manpages, right?`
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`03:31.40`	`dogayonv`	`I was just hoping since the net debian has been released I could do something simple like apt get some things and fix my wirless`
`03:32.16`	`mwilson`	`dogayonv: The "net Debian"?`
`03:32.16`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: what wireless you have there?`
`03:32.16`	`dondelelcaro`	`chealer: yes, because anything .deb is called a binary package, even if it doesn't contain any binaries at all.`
`03:32.17`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: Setting up wireless can be easy or a lot of work, depending on what wireless card you have`
`03:32.17`	`stew`	`bedtime for /me`
`03:32.17`	`dondelelcaro`	`chealer: there's nothing magical there.`
`03:32.17`	`maher`	`dogayonv: well - you've been trying for 6 months and haven't managed it...`
`03:32.17`	`gravity`	`stew: Later! Enjoy the warmth`
`03:32.20`	`stew`	`word`
`03:32.25`	`madclicker`	`gravity: np, i've spent 6 hours tring to setup pppoe and two net ifaces to come up`
`03:32.34`	`dogayonv`	`shingouz Im on a dell 8500 laptop with a mini pci wiresscard 802.11b card`
`03:32.43`	`gravity`	`madclicker: pppoeconfig will help you with pppoe`
`03:32.44`	`dondelelcaro`	`chealer: FE, the libimage-info-perl .deb is called a "binary package" because it's a .deb, not an orig.tar.gz even though there ain't no binaries there.`
`03:32.53`	`gravity`	`madclicker: And for the net interfaces it's pretty trivial`
`03:32.54`	`maher`	`dogayonv: did you check the instructions on linux-laptops`
`03:32.56`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: and the 802.11b is using what chipset?`
`03:33.06`	`dogayonv`	`orinico`
`03:33.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`or $DEITY forbid, the linux-gazette packages... which don't have any code outside of examples in them...`
`03:33.18`	`dogayonv`	`but the orinico drivers never worked when I tried to manually do it`
`03:33.22`	`gravity`	`ugh... those need to go`
`03:33.23`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: orinoco is the module`
`03:33.33`	`gravity`	`(in reference to the linux-gazette packages)`
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`03:33.37`	`dogayonv`	`well as I said this is all extreamly hard for me`
`03:33.38`	`chealer`	`dondelelcaro: alright, thanks`
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`03:34.00`	`madclicker`	`gravity: i got that, but u see the problem lies in configuring default gateways, on mandrake simple /etc/sysconfig/networking "default gateway=ppp0" in debian......... ouch`
`03:34.03`	`maher`	`dogayonv: you seem to find it hard - but have discovered a way in which it works - why not do that?`
`03:34.10`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: It's all extremely hard because you haven't actually tried anything and learned from the experience :-)`
`03:34.11`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: modprobe the module in, then ifconfig the card up. should just work`
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`03:34.23`	`dogayonv`	`because I dont want to have to reinstall everything :(`
`03:34.28`	`gravity`	`madclicker: Read the interfaces manpage. Setting up a gateway is trivial`
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`03:34.37`	`dogayonv`	`I tried all that shingouz`
`03:34.45`	`stouset`	`dondelelcaro: You there?`
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`03:35.06`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: care to give some information on what was the error that prevented the system to work?`
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`03:36.07`	`dogayonv`	`honestly I dont remember as I said its been 6 months and I have just been using my cable and gave up on the card :(`
`03:36.11`	`madclicker`	`gravity: read it a few times, pretty dry i mind u, still wont work, i have to manually remove the default gateway from dhcp assigned eth0, which screws up the whole routing`
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`03:36.29`	`dogayonv`	`am I able to bring both cards up at once?`
`03:36.30`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: Nobody here can help you if you don't have any details of the problem`
`03:36.32`	`maher`	`dogayonv: did you try updating your testing system to the latest packages`
`03:36.32`	`idimmu`	`the only window manager you need is screen!`
`03:36.34`	`dogayonv`	`if so I can tell you what is says`
`03:36.35`	`gravity`	`madclicker: You just put a gateway line in your stanza, why does that not work?`
`03:36.37`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: not much we can do here to help you at this point`
`03:36.41`	`dogayonv`	`one thing I can tell you is this`
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`03:37.01`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: You can have the wireless card recognized without having to bring it "up", btw`
`03:37.18`	`dogayonv`	`it never finds the card`
`03:37.28`	`madclicker`	`gravity: gateway stanza works with ip address it doesn't work with interfaces`
`03:37.29`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: What happens if you type "modprobe orinoco" ?`
`03:37.32`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: do you have pcmcia running in the first place?`
`03:37.33`	`dogayonv`	`part of the reason is dell's mini pci slot is a pcmcia slot`
`03:37.52`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: Umm... I'm pretty sure MiniPCI and PCMCIA are two different things`
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`03:38.01`	`dogayonv`	`I have orinoco already loaded in my lsmod section`
`03:38.04`	`sysdef`	`sarge debbootstrap 2.x: i receive this error -> "E: Couldn't download gcc-3.2-base" ... what's my problem?`
`03:38.12`	`gravity`	`madclicker: Oh, you want to override the gateway that assigns you a dhcp address?`
`03:38.26`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: And if you run "ifconfig -a", what interfaces are listed?`
`03:38.34`	`madclicker`	`gravity: yeap`
`03:38.39`	`Xenguy`	`You seem somehow distant -- is everything alright?`
`03:38.43`	`Xenguy`	`ww`
`03:38.51`	`dogayonv`	`Wyzard when I net installed and lsmoded I saw pcmica things nothing about mini pci`
`03:38.59`	`gravity`	`madclicker: That's weird... I don't know how to do that`
`03:39.05`	`dogayonv`	`eth0 lo and tap0`
`03:39.06`	`gravity`	`Very weird`
`03:39.12`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: what does ifconfig -a give you?`
`03:39.16`	`madclicker`	`gravity: i tried adding some like route -del blahblablah, which workd manually but not in interfaces file`
`03:39.22`	`shingouz`	`ok..`
`03:39.23`	`dogayonv`	`eth0 lo and tap0`
`03:39.41`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: and the nic you use now is the eth0 (the wired one that is?)`
`03:40.01`	`dogayonv`	`yes`
`03:40.09`	`dogayonv`	`broadcom chipset I believe`
`03:40.10`	`sysdef`	`pasted log: http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/2280`
`03:40.24`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: is that another minipci or pcmcia?`
`03:40.26`	`madclicker`	`anyone here with good understanding of "interfaces" file?`
`03:40.36`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: MiniPCI and PCMCIA are just physical interfaces for plugging in devices... PCMCIA is old and obsolete, almost all "PCMCIA" cards these days are actually CardBus cards, and CardBus and MiniPCI devices are just PCI as far as the operating system is concerned`
`03:40.39`	`dogayonv`	`eth0 is a hardwired lan card`
`03:40.47`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: so "lspci" would show both cards`
`03:41.03`	`dogayonv`	`lspici says command not found`
`03:41.07`	`dogayonv`	`lspci`
`03:41.09`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: in that case you might want to ifconfig the card as eth1 just for the hell of it and you should have wireless too`
`03:41.09`	`pixil9`	`Anyone here play UT1 on debian?`
`03:41.18`	`dogayonv`	`sorry typo`
`03:41.26`	`dogayonv`	`1 sec let me sort thru this`
`03:41.27`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: I do, sometimes`
`03:41.35`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: apt-get install pciutils, then try again`
`03:41.50`	`pixil9`	`Wyzard: have you ever had a problem downloading maps?`
`03:42.00`	`pixil9`	`I keep getting Server refused to send map / connection failed`
`03:42.03`	`Solet-debian`	`how do you install non debian package programs?`
`03:42.06`	`pixil9`	`works fine in windows though.`
`03:42.24`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: if you have a hardwired ethernet and a minipci wireless you basically have two nics in the box. they cannot both be up at the same time on the same interface, the other has to be eth0 eht other eth1`
`03:42.26`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: Not that I can remember, but I only play at lanparties... never on the Internet`
`03:42.28`	`dogayonv`	`I see pci bridge, 4 usb controllers, pci bridge isa bridge ide interface, multimedia, modem, vga, ethernet, cardbus, firewire and cardbus again`
`03:42.41`	`pixil9`	`Wyzard: oh :(`
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`03:42.58`	`Wyzard`	`pixil9: Firewall maybe? (Just guessing)`
`03:43.23`	`chealer`	`Solet-debian: in depends on the package format`
`03:43.27`	`Wyzard`	`shingouz: You can have more than one network interface up at a time... but of course, the interface doesn't have to be up at all to be recognized by the kernel`
`03:43.28`	`chealer`	`s/in/it`
`03:43.37`	`dogayonv`	`yes shingouz I know that much and when my system did work with wireless I never figured out how to get it to come up automaticly I had a tiny script that I typed after I logged in, it would tell the card what channel and key to use an that would do it.`
`03:43.52`	`maher`	`Solet-debian: use alien for rpms, stow for tarballs`
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`03:44.01`	`shingouz`	`Wyzard: i know many interfaces can be up at the same time but i find it hard to believe they all can be eth0`
`03:44.12`	`dogayonv`	`also when my wireless did work the wireless card was called eth1 but there was no eth0 listed`
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`03:44.21`	`Wyzard`	`shingouz: Oh, of course you can't have mulitple interfaces with the same name`
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`03:44.58`	`jcummins`	`where in debian do I set the rules for iptables?`
`03:45.10`	`shingouz`	`Wyzard: auughh... not really relevant in this case :) (but you are correct there)`
`03:45.34`	`dogayonv`	`may I paste a website that I used before to help with debian on this laptop?`
`03:45.42`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: both the wire and the wireless are on the same router i guess?`
`03:45.47`	`Wyzard`	`shingouz: I don't have experience with orinoco cards, only prism54, unfortunately`
`03:45.50`	`dogayonv`	`so you can see what Im talking about wiith my card and minipci?`
`03:46.05`	`shingouz`	`one line does not kill anyone`
`03:46.27`	`dogayonv`	`shingouz ive never been able to have both work at once and also never needed 2 cards, when wireless worked I used that, no need for the cable`
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`03:46.59`	`dogayonv`	`http://www.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~amanous/Inspiron-Linux/#wireless`
`03:47.26`	`shingouz`	`let's see...`
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`03:47.27`	`dogayonv`	`it says it uses the pcmcia`
`03:47.59`	`Wyzard`	`ugh... that actually is 16-bit PCMCIA, not CardBus?`
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`03:48.27`	`Wyzard`	`The module name is "_cs" rather than "_cb" ... :-/`
`03:48.58`	`shingouz`	`cs`
`03:49.10`	`Solet-debian`	`do i 'stow' the .tar.gz? or do i 'stow' the folder that is the created when i extract the .tar.gz?`
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`03:50.25`	`dogayonv`	`that dell truemoble 1150 is the wireless card I have as well`
`03:50.41`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: And you've loaded the "orinoco_cs" module, right?`
`03:50.55`	`dogayonv`	`no Wyzard it wont let me I just tried when you said _cs`
`03:51.13`	`Wyzard`	`What happens when you try it?`
`03:51.16`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: you need to modprobe -r orinoco first`
`03:51.23`	`deadcat`	`dogayonv: thats orinoco aint it?`
`03:51.33`	`dogayonv`	`same thng`
`03:51.42`	`dogayonv`	`it says this`
`03:51.53`	`sysdef`	`have big trouble with debootstrap (--verbose) -> http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/2281`
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`03:52.22`	`dafen`	`how to enable midi support in linux?`
`03:52.30`	`dafen`	`I have soundblaster live, emu10k1`
`03:52.46`	`dogayonv`	`this /lib/modules/2.4.26-1-686/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.26-1-686/pcmcia/ds.o failed`
`03:52.48`	`deadcat`	`dafen: me too but never able to get midi to work with this card.`
`03:52.55`	`dafen`	`oh... my`
`03:53.02`	`dafen`	`really? that's sad then....`
`03:53.16`	`dafen`	`linux is midi-free OS?`
`03:53.17`	`deadcat`	`dafen: i tried only once though. long time ago.`
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`03:53.25`	`dafen`	`oh, how did you try?`
`03:53.29`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: just modprobe orinoco_cs`
`03:53.31`	`Wyzard`	`dafen: I've gotten it to work, but it was 3 years ago so I don't remember the details`
`03:53.34`	`dogayonv`	`yes shingouz`
`03:53.47`	`dafen`	`it was like what? I use alsa`
`03:53.53`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: You probably need to "apt-get install pcmcia-cs" if you don't already have it installed, though you probably do`
`03:53.54`	`dogayonv`	`were you able to see the msg I pasted?`
`03:54.07`	`Wyzard`	`dafen: I was using ALSA when I did it, though`
`03:54.19`	`dafen`	`ok, so what's the basic procedure?`
`03:54.21`	`dogayonv`	`Wyzard already newest version`
`03:54.42`	`Wyzard`	`dogayonv: OK... and that error message regarding ds.o was in response to typing what command?`
`03:54.47`	`Wyzard`	`dafen: don't remember, sorry`
`03:54.53`	`deadcat`	`anyone tried portsentry before? does it work?`
`03:54.55`	`dogayonv`	`modprobe orinoco_cs`
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`03:55.31`	`deadcat`	`does portsentry work behind a router?`
`03:55.33`	`rixth`	`Whats the command to probe whats plugged into your USB ports?`
`03:55.41`	`Enolayale`	`shingouz: I have my ready kernel source as well as my nvidia-kernel source ready in /dev/src, do I just run 8# make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image`
`03:55.41`	`shingouz`	`lsusb`
`03:55.45`	`Wyzard`	`dafen: There's a "snd-emu10k1-synth" module that looks promising...`
`03:55.51`	`Enolayale`	`within my kernel source dir?`
`03:55.58`	`biutils`	`which package provides tools like ls and cd`
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`03:56.10`	`shingouz`	`Enolayale: you need to configure the stuff first`
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`03:56.17`	`dogayonv`	`this might sound stupid but, as I said these kernels are about 6 months old would installing a new one help?`
`03:56.23`	`Enolayale`	`shingouz: configured my kernel source`
`03:56.37`	`Enolayale`	`but how does module_install know where to find the nvidia kernel?`
`03:56.44`	`deadcat`	`biutils: base-something`
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`03:57.23`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: i really have to go to sleep, if you do not have the wireless working i'll try to help you later today, ok? and while you're at it it does not hurt to install a newer kernel`
`03:57.26`	`starscalling`	`ok`
`03:57.29`	`starscalling`	`hello all`
`03:57.30`	`starscalling`	`um`
`03:57.35`	`starscalling`	`try not to murder me please...`
`03:57.46`	`starscalling`	`but how do i run a windows proggie on debian?`
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`03:57.52`	`shingouz`	`Enolayale: i am not sure, i have never used nvidia`
`03:57.57`	`shingouz`	`starscalling: wine`
`03:57.57`	`Enolayale`	`alright`
`03:57.59`	`dogayonv`	`ok what kernel should I grab?`
`03:58.09`	`shingouz`	`dogayonv: the latest :)`
`03:58.15`	`deadcat`	`biutils: coreutils`
`03:58.24`	`starscalling`	`apt-get wine install?`
`03:58.32`	`deadcat`	`install wine`
`03:58.38`	`starscalling`	`oic`
`03:58.41`	`starscalling`	`thankx :P`
`03:58.46`	`dogayonv`	`alright well have a good day everyone thanks for all the help`
`03:58.53`	`starscalling`	`no one has a pulse client for linux yet >.<`
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`03:59.02`	`gravity`	`s/apt-get/aptitude/`
`03:59.08`	`gravity`	`starscalling: pulse?`
`03:59.19`	`Wyzard`	`starscalling: Note that Wine needs a bit of configuration before it's usable... just installing the package isn't enough`
`03:59.25`	`dogayonv`	`exit`
`03:59.33`	`starscalling`	`oh my`
`03:59.45`	`chip_dirt`	`why apt-get cannot find kernel-package?`
`03:59.47`	`starscalling`	`yeah it says its in there yet i get a no proggie error lol`
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`04:00.06`	`starscalling`	`and gravity: http://whatpulse.org/`
`04:00.24`	`gravity`	`Wyzard: :-)`
`04:00.27`	`starscalling`	`haha`
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`04:00.33`	`starscalling`	`let me see exactly what it says again`
`04:00.35`	`buu`	`Wyzard: You mean you hope..`
`04:01.04`	`starscalling`	`couldn't display "home/user/desktop/whatpulse-install-nolag.exe"`
`04:01.09`	`gravity`	`This is like... "Please let me invade my own privacy"`
`04:01.20`	`deadcat`	`top`
`04:01.28`	`starscalling`	`but when i downloaded it debian said something about not having anything to run it i thought`
`04:01.36`	`gravity`	`YES! LOG MY KEYSTROKES AND SEND THEM TO THE WHOLE WORLD! I LOVE IT!`
`04:01.40`	`starscalling`	`hahahah`
`04:01.45`	`starscalling`	`check out the downloads`
`04:01.49`	`Wyzard`	`starscalling: What said something about not having anything to run what?`
`04:01.51`	`starscalling`	`there is a broken client lol`
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`04:01.57`	`starscalling`	`let me delete and download again`
`04:02.12`	`gravity`	`I don't think this program will do what you want it to do`
`04:02.16`	`gravity`	`At least under linux`
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`04:02.24`	`starscalling`	`hmm`
`04:02.28`	`starscalling`	`it didnt work this time lol`
`04:02.30`	`bullzito`	`hi pepole`
`04:02.43`	`Wyzard`	`starscalling: You're talking but not conveying any information`
`04:02.53`	`starscalling`	`when i tried to save it wyzard it warned me that i was gonna have trouble`
`04:02.56`	`MobyTurbo`	`starscalling: lol is not punctuation`
`04:03.00`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Boy, you ARE having fun tonight.`
`04:03.03`	`starscalling`	`sorry i didnt make a note of exact phrasing`
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`04:03.13`	`bullzito`	`HELP I NEED SOMEBODY NELP`
`04:03.17`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: ?`
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`04:03.29`	`MobyTurbo`	`!permasunday`
`04:03.29`	`dpkg`	`All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!`
`04:03.33`	`gravity`	`!tell bullzito about ask`
`04:03.38`	`gravity`	`MobyTurbo: Sad but true`
`04:03.53`	`Wyzard`	`starscalling: Oh, you mean the message from your web browser telling you that the browser doesn't know how to open a Windows .exe file so your only option is to save it`
`04:04.13`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Apparently the clueless really are your friends tonight.`
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`04:04.30`	`starscalling`	`no not that one. its something i only got the first time i saved it. i really should have paused and made a note..`
`04:04.47`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: No, I just don't look down upon "the clueless" as a separate species or something`
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`04:04.53`	`buu`	`starscalling is trying to run windows exes under debian?`
`04:05.04`	`bullzito`	`whats the name of the package that admins the battery of my notebook ? to use with apt-get install -`
`04:05.04`	`starscalling`	`yes i am buu`
`04:05.06`	`deadcat`	`what the f is this f-spot - personal photo management application`
`04:05.21`	`MobyTurbo`	`buu: not only that, he's trying to run probable spyware under Linux`
`04:05.23`	`Wyzard`	`deadcat: It is what it says... it's a .NET app, interestingly`
`04:05.23`	`gravity`	`deadcat: It's apparently both very nifty and very unfinished`
`04:05.31`	`deadcat`	`Wyzard: AH.`
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`04:05.37`	`gravity`	`s/.NET/mono/`
`04:05.47`	`buu`	`MobyTurbo: Even better!`
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`04:05.59`	`Wyzard`	`gravity: Well, you could probably run it on the .NET CLR too, provided you had GTK# installed`
`04:06.00`	`deadcat`	`Wyzard: whats photo got to do with mono?`
`04:06.09`	`epitome_`	`I downloaded netinst images, but they're password protected. Now the people.debian.org page hosting the images is down and I can't access the password. What is it? :)`
`04:06.13`	`gravity`	`Wyzard: Yeah, but it's cool that it's being written to mono`
`04:06.14`	`kang1`	`hi,`
`04:06.14`	`kang1`	`how do i send an image file to a participating member?`
`04:06.23`	`MobyTurbo`	`deadcat: you have a lot of photos and kiss them, hence the mono`
`04:06.25`	`buu`	`epitome_: How are they password protected?`
`04:06.31`	`rixth`	`I need these kernel modules (mykernel is stock debian one) CONFIG_HOTPLUG CONFIG_MODULES CONFIG_KMOD CONFIG_FW_LOADER CONFIG_I2C CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV CONFIG_SOUND CONFIG_SND CONFIG_USB CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD wher can I get them?`
`04:06.36`	`mwilson`	`epitome_: Since when is an ISO password-protected?`
`04:06.39`	`buu`	`rixth: Teh intarnet.`
`04:06.40`	`Wyzard`	`epitome_: Debian installation CDs aren't password-protected`
`04:07.02`	`Wyzard`	`kang1: Participating member of what?`
`04:07.03`	`epitome_`	`Zipped iso's with passwords. Each one I downloaded. :/`
`04:07.08`	`mwilson`	`For that matter, HOW would you password-protect an ISO?`
`04:07.08`	`rixth`	`buu, lyk totali but lyk from where?`
`04:07.15`	`kang1`	`participating of the chat`
`04:07.25`	`buu`	`rixth: I hope jesus comes down from heaven and smites you!`
`04:07.33`	`mwilson`	`epitome_: So ask whatever clueless moron you got them from for the password, or use actual official ones instead.`
`04:07.33`	`Wyzard`	`epitome_: Delete that and download the installer from a trustworthy source that hosts the real files`
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`04:07.50`	`buu`	`epitome_: Were they called .zip or something?`
`04:07.50`	`rixth`	`buu, I'm not preppy like girl. Me and Jesus are on good terms (last I checked).`
`04:07.53`	`Wyzard`	`kang1: Look up "DCC" in your IRC client's documentation`
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`04:08.03`	`bullzito`	`whats the name of the package that admins the battery of my notebook ? to use with apt-get install -????????`
`04:08.04`	`epitome_`	`mwilson: downloaded them from a debian.org link. I'll find some others.`
`04:08.06`	`buu`	`rixth: No dude, I was talking to jesus just last night. He hates you.`
`04:08.06`	`epitome_`	`Thanks.`
`04:08.15`	`buu`	`bullzito: apt-cache search battery`
`04:08.17`	`mwilson`	`epitome_: No, you didn't. Now, wasn't that easy?`
`04:08.23`	`kang1`	`OK.`
`04:08.23`	`Solet-debian`	`i cant install fire fox casue it says it cant fine libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0`
`04:08.23`	`bullzito`	`thanks`
`04:08.28`	`Solet-debian`	`fine = find`
`04:08.43`	`epitome_`	`mwilson: Thank you.`
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`04:09.17`	`MobyTurbo`	`!tell epitome_ about d-i`
`04:09.22`	`rixth`	`buu, Awww, must've been what I did to his dog.`
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`04:09.39`	`kang1`	`In WinXP, there's a program to monitor the temperature in various areas and alert me when anyone of the exceeds a set value. Is there one for Debian?`
`04:09.43`	`calin`	`"And for all you people who are thinking "oeh mi god a keylogger, no way!", well, exactly, No way. WhatPulse is not and never will be any sort of keylogger, it does not collect the keys you type, but only how many keys you type. (see our Privacy Policy)"`
`04:09.54`	`epitome_`	`MobyTurbo: Thank you.`
`04:09.58`	`buu`	`rixth: Dude, wouldn't suprise me. That was just worng.!`
`04:10.02`	`Wyzard`	`rixth: Those names you mentioned are options that would be turned on while compiling a kernel`
`04:10.05`	`gravity`	`calin: Riiiiiight`
`04:10.15`	`gravity`	`Stupidest program ever`
`04:10.15`	`rixth`	`buu, thats enoguh of this, lol.`
`04:10.16`	`calin`	`lol`
`04:10.25`	`buu`	`rixth: Awhh.`
`04:10.40`	`starscalling`	`calin: check out the linux one..\`
`04:10.48`	`starscalling`	`do you think there is a keylogger in there?`
`04:10.50`	`Wyzard`	`calin: And that goes in the Hall of Pointlessness right next to the program which keeps track of the total distance your mouse pointer has moved. :-)`
`04:11.03`	`starscalling`	`i e one that reports the actuall keys you use i e passwords etc?`
`04:11.15`	`Solet-debian`	`pulse was fun.. .back in the day... i stopped running it casue it bitched at me all the time... having 3 computers... it got mad when all 3 uploaded to the same account...`
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`04:11.23`	`rixth`	Wyzard, trying to compile the driver for my ConvertX, I get /home/rixth/Desktop/wis-go7007-linux-0.9.4/kernel/snd-go7007.c: In function `go7007_snd_pcm_pointer': /home/rixth/Desktop/wis-go7007-linux-0.9.4/kernel/snd-go7007.c:204: error: `chip_t' undeclared (first use in this function) so soemthing is missing.\
`04:11.51`	`Solet-debian`	`rofl @ total mouse distance`
`04:11.57`	`calin`	`Wyzard: I was entertained by the mouse-milage-meter`
`04:12.05`	`starscalling`	`sloet-debian did you ever find a solution to running it on linux?`
`04:12.14`	`gravity`	`calin: Enough to want to run it in wine?`
`04:12.14`	`starscalling`	`i was thinking of running the mouse one lol`
`04:12.16`	`Wyzard`	`rixth: Assuming that it's a third-party module you're compiling, maybe it doesn't support the kernel version you're trying to compile it against?`
`04:12.21`	`Solet-debian`	`i never ran it on debian... this was back in my windows days`
`04:12.27`	`starscalling`	`ah`
`04:12.31`	`starscalling`	`i just converted lol`
`04:12.33`	`calin`	`gravity: eh? the mouse thing in wine?`
`04:12.36`	`starscalling`	`like a week ago?`
`04:12.37`	`Wyzard`	`Solet-debian: apt-cache show xodo`
`04:12.40`	`rixth`	`Wyzard, it says it supports 2.6 but not 2.4, I'm using 2.6`
`04:12.44`	`gravity`	`calin: Like running that keylogger thingy in wine`
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`04:13.20`	`starscalling`	`well i tried to configure wine`
`04:13.30`	`kang1`	`Again, any package in Debian to monitor temperature of Intel motherboard?`
`04:13.31`	`Wyzard`	`rixth: dunno then, sorry`
`04:13.36`	`calin`	`gravity: eh, i wouldn't run it in any case`
`04:13.42`	`Wyzard`	`kang1: lm-sensors`
`04:13.50`	`calin`	`gravity: I have better things to do than watch a count`
`04:13.51`	`rixth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:13.58`	`Solet-debian`	`i cant install fire fox casue it says it cant find libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0`
`04:14.00`	`Wyzard`	`kang1: That should work unless your board uses some weird nonstandard sensor interface`
`04:14.02`	`kang1`	`Wyzard: Thanks`
`04:14.11`	`deadcat`	`Solet-debian: you on woody?`
`04:14.24`	`Solet-debian`	`yeah`
`04:14.30`	`gravity`	`heh`
`04:14.37`	`deadcat`	`Solet-debian: try backports.org or apt-get.org`
`04:14.55`	`deadcat`	`Solet-debian: desktop you shouldnt use woody. no point.`
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`04:15.07`	`kang1`	`Wyzard: my board is Intel 865GB. lm-sensor should work on it, right?`
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`04:15.31`	`Wyzard`	`kang1: Probably, but I don't have that board so I have no way of knowing for sure... try it`
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`04:16.44`	`Solet-debian`	`that package doesnt exist....`
`04:16.47`	`deadcat`	`rbash is useless when you run commands with ssh user@host command`
`04:16.55`	`robink`	`Can someone explain dpkg's entry for 'warcraft'?`
`04:16.56`	`Solet-debian`	`why is the firefox install asking for a file that doesnt exist?`
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`04:17.26`	`Wyzard`	`robink: hehe... bot spam?`
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`04:17.34`	`robink`	`Wyzard: What's bot spam?`
`04:17.44`	`kang1`	`Anyone uses Wizardpen 5x4 pen tablet by Genius?`
`04:18.08`	`Wyzard`	`robink: A term I just made up to describe "junk" content fed to IRC bots :-)`
`04:18.10`	`buu`	`robink: What is dpkg's entry?`
`04:18.11`	`robink`	`Wyzard: Ah`
`04:18.22`	`robink`	`I told dpkg to forget warcraft`
`04:18.28`	`rixth`	`robink, heh, WT?!`
`04:18.33`	`rixth`	`robink, aww, why?`
`04:18.41`	`robink`	`uhh, because it was totally irrelevant`
`04:18.46`	`cafuego`	`robink: So?`
`04:18.58`	`cafuego`	`@warcraft`
`04:18.58`	`rixth`	`robink, don't be sad! For all othse that DIDNT get to see, it, here it is:`
`04:19.04`	`robink`	`oh dear`
`04:19.07`	`rixth`	`[warcraft] that time in a young mans life when pudding starts coming out of his penis and he grows hair where he has never had hair before`
`04:19.17`	`robink`	`cafuego: Uhm, that's why`
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`04:19.39`	`cafuego`	`robink: it's not in the way, just leave it.`
`04:19.46`	`buu`	`It's cute!`
`04:19.46`	`cafuego`	`!penis`
`04:19.47`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that penis is the male reproductive organ`
`04:19.47`	`starscalling`	`hmm`
`04:19.51`	`starscalling`	`trying to run it lol`
`04:19.55`	`robink`	`OK`
`04:20.00`	`robink`	`I didn't think I'd evoke such a clamor`
`04:20.17`	`Wyzard`	`starscalling: Why are you expending so much effort to run such a pointless program?`
`04:20.20`	`cafuego`	`robink: Censorship! Blah! Murder!`
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`04:20.39`	`starscalling`	`hey!`
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`04:20.43`	`starscalling`	`er`
`04:20.44`	`starscalling`	`sorry`
`04:20.57`	`starscalling`	`um i just want to race a friend to 5million`
`04:21.11`	`Wyzard`	`starscalling: I mean, you're certainly entitled to do whatever you want, but... installing Wine just to run a program to count your keystrokes?`
`04:21.45`	`cafuego`	`Surely it's easier to load a kernel module that patches the keybd driver and counts keystrokes`
`04:21.51`	`starscalling`	`yeah its totally stupid i know`
`04:21.57`	`Solet-debian`	`starscalling: do you have any siblings?`
`04:22.01`	`Solet-debian`	`make them count your keystrokes :P`
`04:22.07`	`starscalling`	`haha`
`04:22.11`	`starscalling`	`6 younger brothers`
`04:22.12`	`marinos`	`there must be something similar out there`
`04:22.14`	`Wyzard`	`cafuego: I was thinking that too, but wasn't going to suggest writing a kernel module to someone who isn't already comfortable setting up wine`
`04:22.14`	`starscalling`	`a father and mother`
`04:22.15`	`cafuego`	`or just stop stroking your keys ;-)`
`04:22.21`	`starscalling`	`and i disowned my whole family`
`04:22.24`	`starscalling`	`so....`
`04:22.24`	`kang1`	`anyone using Pronlink Hurricane 8000 ADSL modem?`
`04:22.26`	`starscalling`	`kinda no?`
`04:22.37`	`cafuego`	`kang1: you're kidding, right?`
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`04:23.10`	`Wyzard`	`Solet-debian: Did you try backports.org?`
`04:23.20`	`Solet-debian`	`i tried apt-get.org`
`04:23.21`	`Wyzard`	`Solet-debian: You're trying to install a new app on an old release`
`04:23.53`	`kang1`	`cafuego: why do you think so?`
`04:23.59`	`Wyzard`	`Solet-debian: Try backports.org... the very first news item on its front page says "the mozilla-firefox backport is up-to-date again"`
`04:24.12`	`cafuego`	`kang1: "PRONlink" ?`
`04:24.18`	`Solet-debian`	`woody is the newest _stable_ release is it not?`
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`04:24.53`	`Wyzard`	`Solet-debian: yes`
`04:25.16`	`cafuego`	`kang1: Someone honestly thought it was a good idea to have PRON as part of a company name and make broadband equipment? ;-)`
`04:25.30`	`kang1`	`cafuego: sorry, i mean Prolink.`
`04:25.31`	`Solet-debian`	`then why is everything written for sarge?`
`04:25.32`	`Wyzard`	`Solet-debian: I meant "old" in the sense of its having been released in 2002`
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`04:25.38`	`Solet-debian`	`sarge isnt stable yet....`
`04:25.54`	`Wyzard`	`Solet: sarge will be going into pre-release freeze soon`
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`04:26.38`	`kang1`	`I am looking for a program to monitor the connection info such as connection time and bytes transferred. Know of any?`
`04:26.40`	`eMerged`	`keys must be stroked....`
`04:26.44`	`Wyzard`	`Solet-debian: There are revisions of the stable release, but those are mostly just incorporating security patches to get them off the security server`
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`04:27.12`	`Wyzard`	`Solet-debian: Debian does have a too-long release cycle though... that's something that developers are looking for ways to improve`
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`04:28.03`	`kang1`	`right now, I am using Amedyn with the modem, not the best of program but seems to be the only one around.`
`04:28.08`	`Solet-debian`	`is there a way to upgrade from woody to sarge once sarge is released?`
`04:28.51`	`Wyzard`	`Solet-debian: Of course... edit sources.list to point to sarge and "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade"`
`04:29.32`	`Solet-debian`	`ok and it will go from woody to sarge and not fuck anything up?`
`04:29.50`	`Wyzard`	`Its gets pretty well-tested to make sure the upgrade works`
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`04:30.02`	`Solet-debian`	`ok...`
`04:30.04`	`Wyzard`	`since it's intended that all woody users will upgrade to sarge sooner or later`
`04:30.13`	`Solet-debian`	`cause this is going to be my work machine once i get it running right....`
`04:30.32`	`Solet-debian`	`and i cant let half a years book keeping die in 25 keystrokes...`
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`04:30.42`	`Wyzard`	`If your system is a fresh install, it wouldn't hurt to just install sarge already, unless it's a mission-critical server or something`
`04:30.44`	`mrhemlock`	`sarge is pretty stable for desktops`
`04:31.06`	`Wyzard`	`and just do the upgrade thing every few days to get any updated packages`
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`04:32.28`	`deadcat`	`Solet-debian: maybe linux is not for you.`
`04:32.31`	`Wyzard`	`Well, it's not going to crash and burn on you`
`04:32.33`	`deadcat`	`Mac maybe?`
`04:32.50`	`Wyzard`	`Even unstable rarely does that :-)`
`04:32.52`	`chaps0063`	`OS X is stable.`
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`04:33.44`	`Wyzard`	`I read recently that sarge was down to 90 release-critical bugs... divided by the rather large number of packages in Debian, that's a pretty low chance of there being an RC bug in any given package`
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`04:34.38`	`eth1`	`hey!? I got a strange error with slapd... "ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Internal (implementation specific) error (80)"`
`04:34.46`	`eth1`	`I just installed it and it just wont work... any hints?`
`04:35.11`	`kdomb`	I just installed Sarge, & I notice the times appearing in all of the logfiles are 4 hours off (which is my distance from GMT), though `date` output is right... and /etc/timezone is correct
`04:35.46`	`Solet-debian`	`deadcat: shit is spoken in my direction why exactly? quirks eyebrow`
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`04:35.55`	`calin`	`kdomb: try installing ntpdate`
`04:36.02`	`starscalling`	`ciggy`
`04:36.09`	`dli`	`kdomb: and ntp-simple`
`04:36.43`	`dli`	`kdomb: if you reboot between windows and linux, make sure you don't save system in GMT`
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`04:37.38`	`lnxduk`	`the website is down`
`04:37.49`	`lnxduk`	`oh`
`04:37.54`	`lnxduk`	`debian.org doesn't work`
`04:37.56`	`Wyzard`	`lnxduk: You mean the one mentioned in the topic?`
`04:37.58`	`lnxduk`	`nevermind`
`04:38.17`	`chaps0063`	`lnxduk, i was going to say, its not down here.`
`04:38.24`	`lnxduk`	`www.debian.org works`
`04:38.25`	`c0mm2`	`how do you set your keyboard mapping in xfree86?`
`04:38.34`	`lnxduk`	`c0mm2: xmodmap`
`04:38.41`	`lnxduk`	`anyone installed on a mac?`
`04:38.44`	`Wyzard`	`www.debian.org works fine here, but gluck (which hosts people.d.o and packages.d.o) has been down for a few days`
`04:38.56`	`dli`	`some worms keeps trying ssh passwd, what's the best defense?`
`04:38.58`	`Wyzard`	`lnxduk: I installed Debian on iBook once a few years ago, just for fun`
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`04:39.06`	`lnxduk`	`Wyzard: what do you think?`
`04:39.09`	`lnxduk`	`I got a powerbook`
`04:39.13`	`c0mm2`	`lnxduk: danke`
`04:39.14`	`Wyzard`	`It works`
`04:39.19`	`lnxduk`	`I am trying to think of linux distros to use`
`04:39.23`	`Wyzard`	`I didn't use it for long though`
`04:39.27`	`lnxduk`	`why is that?`
`04:39.29`	`chaps0063`	`lnxduk, which powerbook?`
`04:39.33`	`lnxduk`	`1400c`
`04:39.33`	`deadcat`	`ibook g3 here. works fine.`
`04:39.36`	`chaps0063`	`lnxduk, 12, 15?`
`04:39.39`	`lnxduk`	`it's a g3`
`04:39.44`	`chaps0063`	`lnxduk, oh.`
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`04:39.48`	`lnxduk`	`12, 15?`
`04:39.50`	`chaps0063`	`lnxduk, i was contemplating on getting a g4`
`04:39.53`	`chaps0063`	`monitor size.`
`04:39.57`	`lnxduk`	`11"`
`04:40.02`	`deadcat`	`lnxduk: dondelelcaro has a g3 powerbook. hes stuck on 2.4.3 cus of sleeping`
`04:40.09`	`lnxduk`	`sleeping?`
`04:40.10`	`lnxduk`	`what?`
`04:40.25`	`lnxduk`	`I don't want to run os 7`
`04:40.30`	`lnxduk`	`that is proven to suck`
`04:40.41`	`lnxduk`	`and everyone says osx either won't work or it will be too slow`
`04:40.55`	`kdomb`	`calin, dli, that did it, thank you.`
`04:41.37`	`eth1`	`anyone uses slapd here?`
`04:42.25`	`simonrvn`	`eth1: #ldap`
`04:42.47`	`calin`	`kdomb: np`
`04:43.44`	`\|XO\|`	`:(`
`04:43.53`	`Wyzard`	`\|XO\|: Why's that?`
`04:43.56`	`p8m`	`ya, the bsd partition style is different. Basicly you make a slice and put all your partitions inside that.`
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`04:44.07`	`p8m`	`:(, wrong chan`
`04:44.20`	`calin`	`Wyzard: he's prolley never updated`
`04:44.21`	`\|XO\|`	`cause i always get some kind of compatibility issues`
`04:44.24`	`calin`	`err upgraded*`
`04:44.33`	`Solet-debian`	`the command ./file.deb is whats used to install downloaded .deb's right?`
`04:44.46`	`Wyzard`	`\|XO\|: Which branch are you running? (stable/testing/unstable)`
`04:44.49`	`simonrvn`	`man dpkg, look for -i`
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`04:44.57`	`simonrvn`	`Solet-debian: ^^^`
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`04:45.04`	`\|XO\|`	`im running "sarge"/testing on one and stable on the other`
`04:45.10`	`\|XO\|`	`the stable is pretty good with packages`
`04:45.16`	`\|XO\|`	`the testing is ify`
`04:45.37`	`Wyzard`	`\|XO\|: Well, it's called "testing" for a reason... but these days it's pretty stable too, since we're getting close to a release`
`04:45.50`	`toresbe`	`is 720 a realistic overburn for a 700 meg disc?`
`04:46.11`	`\|XO\|`	`Wyzard i dont want to complain but you know exactly whats wrong with stable....`
`04:46.21`	`Wyzard`	`\|XO\|: Once sarge becomes stable, and etch becomes the new testing, they'll be making some bigger changes`
`04:46.34`	`\|XO\|`	`i think most people in debian know whats wrong with stable`
`04:46.59`	`Wyzard`	`\|XO\|: Being "old" is the only thing I can think of that's wrong with it`
`04:47.18`	`\|XO\|`	`thats exactly it...`
`04:47.50`	`\|XO\|`	`testing should've been stable by now...`
`04:47.51`	`Solet-debian`	`damnit that patch still isnt fixing it.....`
`04:47.52`	`Wyzard`	`Well, it's targeted at systems where "tried-and-true" is more important than "latest and greatest"`
`04:47.58`	`Wyzard`	`like servers`
`04:48.12`	`Wyzard`	`but yes, it's generally agreed that sarge has taken too long`
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`04:48.22`	`\|XO\|`	`dude its been almost 3 years....`
`04:48.30`	`toresbe`	`\|XO\|: still.`
`04:48.34`	`rixth`	`Being the semi-newb I am, how do I know/how can I get A fully built kernel source tree must be available?`
`04:48.41`	`Wyzard`	`sarge will be going into freeze soon though... the main thing they were waiting for was D-I RC3`
`04:48.47`	`c0mm2`	`I think xfree86 didn't map my windows key properly, how would I check?`
`04:48.48`	`toresbe`	`\|XO\|: sarge and sid are the desktop branches, woody is for servers.`
`04:49.08`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: sarge and sid are development and testing branches, not "desktop" branches.`
`04:49.12`	`maher`	`rixth: what are you doing?`
`04:49.14`	`\|XO\|`	`i use sarge for server since my customers demand more up to date software pakages`
`04:49.30`	`Wyzard`	`\|XO\|: There's also backports.org`
`04:49.30`	`Solet-debian`	`how soon is 'soon' when speaking of sarge's release date?`
`04:49.30`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: Do you use woody on your desktop?`
`04:49.43`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: No, but I'm a developer`
`04:49.45`	`maher`	`Solet-debian: this year or next :)`
`04:49.53`	`Wyzard`	`(not a DD though)`
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`04:50.02`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: yes.`
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`04:50.06`	`maher`	`Solet: probably 2-3 months unless there's more problems`
`04:50.13`	`rixth`	`maher, I need to add some modules`
`04:50.16`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: now, sarge, or testing, is perfectly useable.`
`04:50.25`	`maher`	`rixth: do you have the module source`
`04:50.39`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: testing is usable AT PRESENT because we're near release so it's mostly release-ready`
`04:50.48`	`sean_micken`	`i wrote a plugin in perl for gaim, but it appears that debian's gaim package leaves perl support out.. is there a way to get support for perl in gaim without compiling gaim myself?`
`04:50.49`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: testing has always been stable.`
`04:50.59`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: you are wrong, period, I'm too tired to state my case correctly :P`
`04:51.06`	`rixth`	`maher, goto www.spectrumenterprises.org/readme (thats the docs for waht I'm attempting to do)`
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`04:51.35`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: Once sarge is released, they're going to be making a bunch of changes in testing... GCC 4.0 (which brings in a new C++ ABI and requires recompiling all C++ packages), replacing XFree86 with X.org, GNOME 2.10, and one or two other things that I don't remember offhand`
`04:51.56`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: works for Ubuntu.`
`04:51.57`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: In general, sarge is reasonably stable, but it is NOT a stable release... statements like "sarge is stable" are misleading`
`04:51.58`	`maher`	`rixth: you probably just need the kernel headers package for your kernel`
`04:52.10`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: "new" does not neseccarily "broken".`
`04:52.20`	`c0mm2`	`I know the keycode for the windows key, how would I manually bind the key in xfree86`
`04:52.28`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: not at all.`
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`04:52.35`	`Solet-debian`	`toresbe: unless we are talking about american cars or microsoft products`
`04:52.48`	`mwilson`	`testing has always been stable? What's this guy smoking?`
`04:52.49`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: testing is stable, stable is too old.`
`04:52.56`	`toresbe`	`mwilson: you don't count.`
`04:53.08`	`maher`	`toresbe: its fine if you have a secret definition of stable`
`04:53.10`	`mwilson`	`I don't count? Why don't I count?`
`04:53.11`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: People who need a STABLE release -- people who want to run a mission-critical enterprise server or something -- should be running woody, until such time as sarge goes through freeze and gets released`
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`04:53.31`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: I fully agree with that statement, and it is completely correct`
`04:53.33`	`maher`	`mwilson: cos you're like 1 2 er.. banana`
`04:53.35`	`rixth`	`maher, I'm doing some apt-y stuff now.`
`04:53.36`	`toresbe`	`etc.`
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`04:53.53`	`cheal`	`mwilson: haha, you didn't know you didn't count yet? :-P`
`04:53.54`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: New does not necessarily mean broken -- I know this; I've been running sid for 4.5 years -- but it also doesn't definitely mean not-broken, and that's what's important.`
`04:54.11`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: sid breaks sometimes.`
`04:54.12`	`Wyzard`	`maher: lol!`
`04:54.18`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: testing rarely breaks.`
`04:54.27`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: sarge breaks sometimes too... less often, agreed, but it still breaks`
`04:54.34`	`mwilson`	`Unstable has had some pretty significant breakages in the four years I've had a box running it. So has testing.`
`04:54.46`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: well, yes, but IMO it's worth it on the tradeoff.`
`04:54.53`	`Wyzard`	`Or, I should say, testing breaks sometimes, regardless of what its current name is`
`04:55.09`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: of course, you have the nasty no-security problems`
`04:55.14`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: The tradeoff is acceptable for most users who don't have strict reliability requirements`
`04:55.26`	`mwilson`	`toresbe: Yes, but you usually have a brain. You want to hand the usual stupid something with that sort of guarantee?`
`04:55.30`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: But calling it the "desktop branch" is inappropriate`
`04:55.37`	`rixth`	`maher, how would I compile those modules?`
`04:55.47`	`rixth`	`slash get them into the kernel?`
`04:55.52`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: that's my nickname for it...`
`04:56.07`	`toresbe`	`anyway, that's no longer a problem for me, Ubuntu on the desktop, and Debian on the servers, branches depending on purpose. :)`
`04:56.14`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: Sarge is targeted at Debian Developers working on preparing a release -- the fact that it's mostly usable by people who want a reasonably up-to-date desktop system is purely coincidental.`
`04:56.19`	`toresbe`	`fixed, stable, and current releases. ahhhh`
`04:56.22`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: Those people should probably use Ubuntu instead.`
`04:56.36`	`mwilson`	`toresbe: And then you have the recent fontconfig changes that screwed up testing-using stupids all over.`
`04:56.39`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: And no, Ubuntu is not "stable" in the sense of Debian's stable releases.`
`04:56.48`	`maher`	`rixth: once you have kernel headers the instructions should work`
`04:56.51`	`mwilson`	`toresbe: And that wasn't a breakage, that was just a change.`
`04:56.54`	`rixth`	`Ok`
`04:57.04`	`deadcat`	`i think nothing is stable compare to debian stable.`
`04:57.33`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: it's a stable release.`
`04:57.36`	`Wyzard`	`deadcat: exactly :-)`
`04:57.42`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: and by far stable enough for a desktop`
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`04:57.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`deadcat: it's a g4 actually, but yeah.. still using 2.4.3`
`04:57.52`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: agreed. It's targeted at desktops, after all.`
`04:57.55`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: but not Woody stable... but then again nothing is`
`04:58.02`	`mwilson`	`Where does this "stable enough" stupidity come from?`
`04:58.08`	`toresbe`	`mwilson: Common sense.`
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`04:58.17`	`Wyzard`	`toresbe: It's certainly more suitable than sarge as a desktop distribution.`
`04:58.18`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: yours is G4? damn. i guess ibooks are just slower than powerbooks`
`04:58.27`	`toresbe`	`mwilson: If I wanted a completely stable system, I'd rig my Alpha up with some OpenVMS stuff.`
`04:58.30`	`maher`	`deadcat: something like rhel minor version + security fixes is stable, but rh don't have the same support for upgrade in place, at least not since the last time i used them, admittedly long ago`
`04:58.53`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: sorry to hear man. (= i was hoping you will test the bootsplash stuff for me. heheh`
`04:59.00`	`toresbe`	`mwilson: That machine is stable. However, it lacks certain features that I want, thus I don't use it.`
`04:59.00`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: I agree, different users have different needs on the stability/recentness tradeoff... I just take issue with claiming that testing is the "desktop branch" of Debian.`
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`04:59.22`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Don't look at me... there is no "desktop" branch of Debian.`
`04:59.22`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: As I said, that was my take on it.`
`04:59.30`	`deadcat`	`maher: ya. you mean upgrade as in buying the new cds and install that way right?`
`04:59.35`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: I never recommend Debian to people.`
`04:59.52`	`toresbe`	`Wyzard: mwilson just swears at them and kicks them in the shin.`
`04:59.53`	`toresbe`	`:P`
`04:59.57`	`Wyzard`	`hehe`
`04:59.59`	`Phated`	`The groin, silly.`
`05:00.04`	`dli`	`anyone using courierd ?`
`05:00.05`	`maher`	`deadcat: buying the cds doesn't matter - its whether there's an upgrade not a reinstall path`
`05:00.08`	`mwilson`	`(well, hell, I never, ever, recommend Linux to people)`
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`05:00.10`	`toresbe`	`Phated: that's your taste :)`
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`05:00.23`	`Phated`	`No, just kicking people in them.`
`05:00.28`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: Why, because you know they'll come to you with questions about it?`
`05:00.30`	`deadcat`	`Phated: get them where it hurts.. real bad. (=`
`05:00.37`	`Phated`	`deadcat: Aye.`
`05:00.56`	`maher`	`deadcat: in theory you can upgrade rh - i just never managed it myself...`
`05:01.16`	`deadcat`	`maher: ya. but in reality you can upgrade debian stable. (=`
`05:01.27`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: No, because (a) their software choice is not my problem, (b) Windows is fine for most people.`
`05:01.28`	`d0rk`	`does plesk work in debian?`
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`05:01.49`	`calin`	`d0rk: try it`
`05:01.53`	`deadcat`	`d0rk: ya. hes works in the payroll dept.`
`05:02.03`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: I used to, then I grew up.`
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`05:02.17`	`d0rk`	`calin it costs over $300 im not gonna buy it if it doesn't work`
`05:02.26`	`calin`	`d0rk: jesus, pirate it`
`05:02.48`	`maher`	`d0rk: why don't you ask the people who sell it?`
`05:03.02`	`mwilson`	`!ops calin advocating piracy`
`05:03.04`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: calin advocating piracy`
`05:03.05`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: hehe... well, there's a difference between intrusively telling people "hey, you should use Linux!" and telling them honestly, if they ask you about it, whether it'd meet their needs (because sometimes it will)`
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`05:03.10`	`d0rk`	`they tend to be slow`
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`05:03.38`	`phin`	`is it possible for me to use grub or something to change my framebuffer driver in a default debian kernel that builds them as modules?`
`05:03.43`	`deadcat`	`whats +q?`
`05:03.59`	`lnxduk`	`is there a mac specific channel?`
`05:04.02`	`Wyzard`	`d0rk: Many software vendors provide evaluation versions of software so you can try before you buy...`
`05:04.06`	`deadcat`	`lnxduk: #mac`
`05:04.10`	`lnxduk`	`no`
`05:04.13`	`lnxduk`	`like debian mac`
`05:04.19`	`deadcat`	`#debian-ppc`
`05:04.22`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: I am paid at work to evaluate people`
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`05:04.46`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: I am paid at work to evaluate people's needs. Thus, I render opinions. What other people do is their own problem.`
`05:04.51`	`peterS`	`deadcat: +q is a server-wide /ignore`
`05:04.59`	`peterS`	`well, channel-wide`
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`05:05.07`	`deadcat`	`damn thats fucked up`
`05:05.09`	`efb_`	`Hi. anyone knows how to force udevd to create a /dev/cdrom symlink pointing to my cdrom drive? (/dev/hdd)`
`05:05.12`	`phin`	`anyone?`
`05:05.12`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: If they want to pay me to evaluate their problem, then I will make a recommendation.`
`05:05.39`	`cheal`	`phin: what do you want to do exactly?`
`05:05.51`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: That's pretty much what I meant`
`05:05.53`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Like I said... been down that road, see no reason at all to ever go there again.`
`05:06.09`	`rixth`	I still get /home/rixth/Desktop/wis-go7007-linux-0.9.4/kernel/snd-go7007.c:152: error: `chip_t' undeclared (first use in this function) ever though I have install the kernel source.
`05:06.11`	`phin`	`i would like to use the neofb modules instead of vesafb, but i cant load it since vesafb is already loaded`
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`05:06.23`	`maher`	`rixth: what kernel version`
`05:06.34`	`phin`	`cheal: i would like to use the neofb modules instead of vesafb, but i cant load it since vesafb is already loaded`
`05:06.40`	`rixth`	`2.6.8-10`
`05:06.44`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: I don't tell people they should use Linux without any idea of whether they actually should, but if I know their situation and their needs and believe it's a valid option, I'll tell them so.`
`05:06.53`	`rixth`	`(k7-smp)`
`05:07.13`	`cheal`	`phin: I have mediumly tried to find info on how to disable vesafb with stock debian kernels since about a month without success`
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`05:07.34`	`phin`	`oh`
`05:07.34`	`maher`	`rixth: does it look like it got somewhere compiling things before that error?`
`05:07.42`	`Wyzard`	`cheal: What kernel are you using?`
`05:07.49`	`cheal`	`phin: you can do rmmod vesafb after boot maybe. and if you ever find the real solution, tell me`
`05:07.57`	`rixth`	`No way, come to #rixth and I shall paste`
`05:07.59`	`cheal`	`Wyzard: 2.6.8-2-k7`
`05:08.11`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: It's none of my business.`
`05:08.20`	`cheal`	`Wyzard: we talked about vesafb bugs earlier today`
`05:08.41`	`phin`	`cheal, ok thanks`
`05:08.42`	`phin`	`i'll try`
`05:09.00`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: vesafb is a module, which gets loaded at boot time by something on the initrd... you could probably set some parameter in mkinitrd.conf to make it load neofb instead`
`05:09.36`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Linux already has plenty of stupids evangelizing... I see no reason to want to identify with that group, in any case.`
`05:09.36`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: I just want no fb at all. about mkinitrd.conf though, I didn't know this file so I'll get a look`
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`05:10.56`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: Debian kernel-image packages use initrd... when you install the package, the postinst script runs mkinitrd to generate an initrd.img containing the modules and such that are needed to boot your system`
`05:11.04`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: hum, this is when you want to generate an image by yourself, right? I'd like to disable vesafb in stock debian kernels`
`05:11.16`	`chealer`	`aha, ok`
`05:11.18`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: They're doing THAT now, rather than a pre-packaged initrd?`
`05:11.24`	`Wyzard`	`No, it happens when you install the .deb, not when you compile the kernel`
`05:11.31`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: It's always been that way, afaik`
`05:11.35`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Wow, I'm even more glad I'm not using a Debian kernel.`
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`05:11.47`	`d0rk`	`is there a site for info on how to setup your wireless card in debian?`
`05:11.48`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: You can't prepackage an initrd, because its contents are system-dependent`
`05:12.07`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Not so.`
`05:12.16`	`Wyzard`	`Well, you could build a really big initrd`
`05:12.19`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Allow me to introduce you to Ubuntu.`
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`05:12.28`	`Wyzard`	`but that doesn't save you anything vs. just compiling everything into the kernel`
`05:12.36`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Just make sure you're wearing gloves first.`
`05:12.49`	`Wyzard`	`mkinitrd looks at your loaded modules, figures out what modules your system actually needs to boot, and builds an initrd containing just those`
`05:12.52`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Just because a module is in the initrd doesn't mean you have to load it.`
`05:13.02`	`Wyzard`	`I know, but you'd still have a really big file`
`05:13.06`	`maher`	`Wyzard: are you quite sure about that`
`05:13.07`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: So?`
`05:13.18`	`Wyzard`	`Ubuntu actually does that?`
`05:13.25`	`mwilson`	`mkinitrd does hardware detection? That must be... interesting.`
`05:13.41`	`mwilson`	`Perhaps you'd like to rephrase.`
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`05:13.46`	`peterS`	`mwilson: mkinitrd doesn't do hardware detection so much as detection of what your current kernel is using`
`05:14.19`	`peterS`	`mwilson: apparently it is one of herbert xu's more clever efforts, though`
`05:14.28`	`mwilson`	`peterS: He has so few.`
`05:14.31`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: this is a very interesting thing I learn, do you have quick instructions to test if I could "blacklist" vesafb or I should dig in doc?`
`05:14.50`	`mwilson`	`peterS: It's completely unnecessary complexity.`
`05:14.51`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: Read the docs... I don't know details about it, besides what's in the comments in mkinitrd.conf`
`05:14.56`	`maher`	`mwilson: is anyone allowed to anything without you sneering at them?`
`05:15.09`	`mwilson`	`maher: Sure.`
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`05:15.35`	`peterS`	`mwilson: you've got about 3 choices. build everything into the kernel, like debian kernel 2.0.34 did, or detect the modules to load at mkinitrd time, or detect the modules to load at initrd runtime`
`05:16.07`	`peterS`	`mwilson: I don't see what you gain by doing the detection at runtime, over doing it at mkinitrd time, honestly. and the advantage of the latter is a much smaller initrd`
`05:16.08`	`chealer`	`Wyzard: ok, thanks`
`05:16.17`	`mwilson`	`peterS: And the moment I change the hardware in some way... it's unbootable. I reiterate, it's stupid.`
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`05:16.35`	`mwilson`	`peterS: The size of the initrd is irrelevant.`
`05:16.47`	`peterS`	`mwilson: if you move your root filesystem from hda to hdc, you already lost the ability to boot without hackage`
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`05:17.12`	`mwilson`	`peterS: It's fragile. It doesn't need to be fragile.`
`05:17.15`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: If you didn't use an initrd but just compiled stuff statically, you'd still be unbootable, but you'd have to rebuild the kernel to fix it`
`05:17.48`	`peterS`	`mwilson: I for one am not willing to put up with the boot time of knoppix just to have a more robust boot system`
`05:17.52`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Funny, I don't remember saying "don't use an initrd".`
`05:18.06`	`mwilson`	`Nope, don't seem to see that.`
`05:18.07`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: If you build modules instead, and throw in a few that you don't need now but might need later, then when you change your hardware to need those other modules, you just re-run mkinitrd and not need to recompile`
`05:18.12`	`Wyzard`	`No, I know you didn't`
`05:18.30`	`mwilson`	`I do seem to remember saying that a minimalistic initrd was fragile and prone to failure.`
`05:18.43`	`Wyzard`	`My point is that mkinitrd doesn't make your system any more fragile regarding hardware failures than compiling stuff statically`
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`05:19.05`	`Wyzard`	`If you compile all the drivers as modules, and you change hardware, you just re-run mkinitrd`
`05:19.14`	`maher`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4632576 2005-04-06 09:16 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.11-1-k7`
`05:19.24`	`Wyzard`	`If you compile all the drivers statically, and you change hardware, you can still boot, but you have a giant kernel`
`05:19.26`	`mwilson`	`Put the fscking modules in the bloody ramdisk and then I don't have to re-run anything.`
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`05:19.27`	`maher`	`43396 /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-k7/ <-- probably has everything`
`05:19.31`	`peterS`	`mwilson: only if you insist in rearranging hardware you full well know you will need to boot from, without bothering to inform the installed system of this until boot time`
`05:19.40`	`mwilson`	`It's only you who keeps harping for some reason on a static kernel.`
`05:19.41`	`peterS`	`mwilson: only an idiot would do that, except in a rescue situation`
`05:19.44`	`Wyzard`	`If you compile just the drivers you need, modules or not, then when you change hardware you have to recompile the kernel with different modules`
`05:20.06`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Oh, yes, and Joe Stupid is CERTAINLY going to be recompiling his kernel.`
`05:20.18`	`Wyzard`	`Well, the stock kernels include lots of modules`
`05:20.18`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Or be smart enough to re-run some random process.`
`05:20.35`	`mwilson`	`Make up your mind.`
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`05:20.50`	`Wyzard`	`So if you change hardware, you just re-run mkinitrd, or simply reinstall the kernel package (which does it for you)`
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`05:21.02`	`mwilson`	`First it's "minimalistic initrd's, all the way", now all of a sudden it's "the stock kernels include lots of modules".`
`05:21.06`	`peterS`	`mwilson: I've never known you before for advocating the side of "oh but reading the docs when you make system changes is too hard"`
`05:21.10`	`darkcmd`	`why not create an initrd that contains a fairly large amount of modules, so a bunch of hardware is supported, and the system only uses the ones that need to be used`
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`05:21.22`	`Delicates`	`anyone knows any channels related to CD/DVD burning?`
`05:21.27`	`darkcmd`	`if you creat an initrd with a low amount of modules, it has a greater chance of messing upo`
`05:21.28`	`peterS`	`darkcmd: how do you propose to detect which modules are needed, at boot time?`
`05:21.33`	`Wyzard`	`If Joe Stupid is smart enough to replace his IDE controller or something, he should be smart enough to know that his system is going to need to be reconfigured accordingly`
`05:21.42`	`peterS`	`darkcmd: hint: this is a lot harder to do than detecting everything at mkinitrd time`
`05:21.47`	`mwilson`	`peterS: Oh, I don't care if Joe Stupid breaks the box, but that doesn't mean you dig a hole in front of him and cover it with leaves, either.`
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`05:21.52`	`Delicates`	`I say just don't create initrd at all ;op`
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`05:21.55`	`darkcmd`	`ah screw it`
`05:22.05`	`darkcmd`	`I just compile everything that is needed at boot into the kernel anyway`
`05:22.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`i recently did a dist-upgrade, and now the nonfree flash plugin doesn't work`
`05:22.25`	`mwilson`	`SerajewelKS: How is that bad?`
`05:22.25`	`peterS`	`darkcmd: good plan. now account for mwilson's scenario of swapping out your IDE controller, for some unknown reason`
`05:22.30`	`karsten`	`Delicates: Ask here.`
`05:22.39`	`Wyzard`	`darkcmd: That works for you because you know your hardware, but doesn't work for Debian's stock kernel-image packages, because they have to be usable on anyone's system`
`05:22.51`	`darkcmd`	`true`
`05:22.52`	`SerajewelKS`	`mwilson, because now i have two options: no flash, or use the free flash plugin and get slow, choppy flash`
`05:22.54`	`chealer`	`SerajewelKS: what's the problem with it?`
`05:23.09`	`SerajewelKS`	`chealer, the animations don't play, and i am unable to click on the plugin region`
`05:23.11`	`chealer`	`SerajewelKS: the free flash plugin? hahaha :)`
`05:23.18`	`mwilson`	`SerajewelKS: So now you have the best option... no flash. Sounds like a win to me.`
`05:23.19`	`Delicates`	`karsten: when I try to burn a DVD ISO with k3b it fails around 80% with:`
`05:23.20`	`Delicates`	`:-? the LUN appears to be stuck writing LBA=122800h, retry in 0ms`
`05:23.20`	`Delicates`	`:-[ WRITE@LBA=80122800h failed with SK=2h/ASC=04h/ACQ=08h]: Resource temporarily unavailable`
`05:23.20`	`Delicates`	`:-( write failed: Resource temporarily unavailable`
`05:23.21`	`eth1`	`thanks anyways`
`05:23.21`	`SerajewelKS`	`free as in free software`
`05:23.24`	`eth1`	`exit`
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`05:23.47`	`karsten`	`Delicates: Ask here != ask me ;-)`
`05:23.48`	`chealer`	`SerajewelKS: I know which one you're referring too, but I sincerely advise you to not even try that one`
`05:23.54`	`Wyzard`	`SerajewelKS: homestarrunner.com seems fine to me, using flashplugin-nonfree in Galeon on sid`
`05:24.02`	`karsten`	`Delicates: Not sure WRT DVD burning. Google the error message (quoted exactly).`
`05:24.04`	`Delicates`	`ok ok anyone!? lol`
`05:24.12`	`Delicates`	`karsten: I have, not much luck`
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`05:24.26`	`darkcmd`	`kang1, welcome rooters`
`05:24.32`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Do Xu kernels really do this? This sounds like something that d-i would have introduced.`
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`05:25.13`	`karsten`	`Delicates: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+LUN+appears+to+be+stuck+writing%22+dvd+burning`
`05:25.19`	`peterS`	`mwilson: all kernels newer than 2.4.18-bf2.4 do this, yes. xu wrote mkinitrd specifically for debian`
`05:25.27`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: apt-cache show initrd-tools`
`05:25.27`	`chealer`	`SerajewelKS: so, it doesn't work in all browsers?`
`05:25.36`	`peterS`	`at least, I believe he did`
`05:25.41`	`Delicates`	`karsten: yes, I've gon through those all, they are not much help`
`05:25.49`	`SerajewelKS`	`chealer, the new firefox doesn't like it`
`05:25.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`i'm going to test in mozilla`
`05:26.01`	`karsten`	`Delicates: I'd suggest posting to the debian-user list or a local LUG list.`
`05:26.04`	`chealer`	`SerajewelKS: you're on sarge?`
`05:26.07`	`karsten`	`!tell Delicates about lug`
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`05:26.25`	`mwilson`	`Hm, kernel-image also wants cramfsprogs... like I'd allow that.`
`05:26.25`	`SerajewelKS`	`chealer, yes`
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`05:26.33`	`karsten`	`dondelelcaro: And what is that power?`
`05:26.35`	`SerajewelKS`	`not any better in mozilla`
`05:26.37`	`peterS`	`darkcmd: btw, the reason it's a lot easier to have module detection on a running system than to have it in an initrd is that mkinitrd can just look at what the running kernel is already using`
`05:26.51`	`darkcmd`	`i understand`
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`05:27.03`	`darkcmd`	`because if the system is running, and them modules are loaded`
`05:27.13`	`darkcmd`	`obviously it was a good module combo`
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`05:27.26`	`dondelelcaro`	`karsten: no more moiré`
`05:27.28`	`SerajewelKS`	`i can't click the animation at all`
`05:27.34`	`SerajewelKS`	`and the audio skips all over the place`
`05:27.49`	`karsten`	`dondelelcaro: Is this intentional moire or unintentional moire?`
`05:28.01`	`karsten`	`dondelelcaro: Or is this a case of less is moire?`
`05:28.02`	`dli`	`can courierd install components by itself?`
`05:28.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`karsten: typical scanning halftone dot pattern images producing moire`
`05:28.32`	`karsten`	`dondelelcaro: Dig.`
`05:28.37`	`peterS`	`!sacrifice karsten`
`05:28.38`	`mwilson`	`Gods, kernen-image packages are such a joke.`
`05:28.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`ah ha`
`05:28.51`	`SerajewelKS`	`swf-player got installed during the upgrade`
`05:28.54`	`darkcmd`	`kernen?`
`05:28.55`	`chealer`	`SerajewelKS: it's working fine for me on 1.0.2-1. do you know if you updated your browser(s) or the plugin?`
`05:29.09`	`chealer`	`SerajewelKS: hahah`
`05:29.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`it's using the slow, open-source plugin`
`05:29.11`	`zignig`	`mwilson: how so ?`
`05:29.17`	`peterS`	`mwilson: yours work a lot better, I guess?`
`05:29.22`	`mwilson`	`I hadn't looked at the preinst/postinst in one in ages.`
`05:29.26`	`maher`	`mwilson: they work for me, as for many other people - I don't really see what your problem is`
`05:29.34`	`chealer`	`SerajewelKS: you didn't have it installed, and it installed with dist-upgrade :??`
`05:29.39`	`SerajewelKS`	`and buggy, i might add`
`05:29.41`	`kang1`	`hi, when i try to install im-sensors from cd-rom, i have : E: Package lm-sensors has no installation candidate. Why?`
`05:29.44`	`darkcmd`	`he's elite`
`05:29.48`	`SerajewelKS`	`chealer, yeah`
`05:29.50`	`SerajewelKS`	`or it upgraded it`
`05:29.52`	`mwilson`	`It's a bloody image... you don't get to mess with build symlinks.`
`05:29.57`	`SerajewelKS`	`and upgrading reinstalled the plugin library`
`05:30.00`	`peterS`	`mwilson: you ought to file a bug with a patch, with your own preinst/postinst, showing how the whole job can be done better`
`05:30.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`ahh...`
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`05:30.24`	`SerajewelKS`	`'dpkg -r' strikes again`
`05:30.44`	`mwilson`	`peterS: I file bugs on packages I use. I don't use kernel-package, have no reason to use kernel-package, so I don't file bugs against it.`
`05:30.50`	`ireverentReveren`	`i have an internal wireless on wlan0. I want to adda pcmia wireless card. How do i set it up on wlan1?`
`05:31.02`	`chealer`	`SerajewelKS: hehe, ok`
`05:31.26`	`chealer`	`kang1: what's your release?`
`05:31.35`	`darkcmd`	`mwilson, aren't you considerate :)`
`05:31.39`	`karsten`	`peterS: ;-)`
`05:31.53`	`mwilson`	`I love all these messages that the preinst can spit out about Joe Cluebie moving this directory or that directory by hand.`
`05:32.06`	`kang1`	`sarge 3.0r1`
`05:32.07`	`mwilson`	`I haven't even gotten to the postinst yet.`
`05:32.08`	`Wyzard`	`ireverentReveren: Load the module which supports the card, and the module will detect the card and create the wlan1 interface`
`05:32.33`	`chealer`	`kang1: how many CDs do you have?`
`05:32.42`	`ireverentReveren`	`Wyzard it is an orinoco gold, and i modprobed orinoco_cs, and still dont have a wlan1`
`05:32.45`	`kang1`	`1`
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`05:33.15`	`kang1`	`I've check that lm-sensors is in the cd.`
`05:33.34`	`Wyzard`	`ireverentReveren: I don't have experience with that card, but in general, loading the driver for a network card will cause the interface to be registered`
`05:33.46`	`deadcat`	`ireverentReveren: orinoco is ethX`
`05:33.49`	`chealer`	`kang1: oh, really? did you use apt-cdrom yet?`
`05:34.38`	`kang1`	`ye, i did apt-cdrom add followed by apt-get install.`
`05:34.51`	`chealer`	`kang1: apt-get update?`
`05:35.36`	`kang1`	`should i do that? on cdrom?`
`05:35.55`	`chealer`	`kang1: it can't hurt`
`05:36.14`	`d0rk`	`is there a site for info on how to setup your wireless card in debian?`
`05:36.24`	`kang1`	`ok, i'll give it a try.`
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`05:37.36`	`mwilson`	`<snicker>`
`05:40.04`	`mwilson`	`Oh, hey, it can destroy your lilo configuration for you too.`
`05:41.15`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: I see it making an initrd out of $modules_base/$version ... not out of the currently loaded modules.`
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`05:43.28`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: It's not just all the current modules... your options are all modules that were built, none of them (in case you want to specify manually), and to detect, which I think involves somehow figuring out what modules support the device which contains the current root filesystem`
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`05:43.58`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: There's only one invocation of mkinitrd in the entire postinst.`
`05:44.05`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: I just read it.`
`05:44.14`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: Why would you need more than one?`
`05:44.27`	`Supaplex`	`I have a box with multiple nics in it. Might this be a resource conflict? if so, how do I resolve it? kernel: 8139too: 02:02.0: Chip not responding, ignoring board`
`05:44.28`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: If I build custom arguments, I wouldn't. But it doesn't.`
`05:45.01`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: No, you list your custom modules in /etc/mkinitrd/modules`
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`05:45.12`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: You can customize further by putting stuff in /etc/mkinitrd/scripts/`
`05:45.38`	`mwilson`	`Meaning that a kernel-image package does NOT behave as you described.`
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`05:45.49`	`mwilson`	`I didn't think they did. That'd be rather extremely broken.`
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`05:46.03`	`peterS`	`Supaplex: who knows. resource conflicts shouldn't happen with PCI devices and drivers, though`
`05:46.20`	`Wyzard`	`It runs mkinitrd from its postinst, and mkinitrd creates an initrd... that only requires one invocation of mkinitrd, so I don't think I'm understanding you quite right`
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`05:46.36`	`daesotho`	`my usb mouse doesnt work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4. xf86cfg appears to know its there but apparently can't configure it correctly.`
`05:46.47`	`mwilson`	`Since Joe Stupid will not have done anything you describe, wouldn't have a CLUE about anything you describe, it is as I said it was. An initrd containing all modules.`
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`05:46.51`	`jm_`	`daesotho: /msg dpkg worked in 2.4`
`05:46.59`	`peterS`	`daesotho: make sure the module 'usbhid' is loaded. that one changed names from 2.4 to 2.6, it used to be called 'hid'`
`05:47.14`	`peterS`	`daesotho: also, the host driver modules changed names. they are now known as uhci-hcd and ohci-hcd`
`05:47.37`	`Supaplex`	`I guess I'll down the box and reseat the cards.`
`05:47.37`	`mwilson`	`All your claims about it doing run-time detection and etc actually translate to "you can make it do that if you want it to, but it doesn't normally".`
`05:47.41`	`Wyzard`	`IIRC, the default is to include all modules (that were built by the kernel configuration) in the initrd`
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`05:48.13`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: so your hypothetical massive hardware change (somehow flawlessly executed by Joe Stupid) would probably not break the boot anyway`
`05:48.41`	`Wyzard`	`but you can change it to "probe" to get a smaller initrd by including only the modules that are actually needed`
`05:48.54`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Uh, no, if it'd been flawlessly executed, the box would still boot. If Joe Stupid did it, he'd be lucky if the box didn't explode.`
`05:49.09`	`Fl0b`	`What GUI would be suggested for a computer with: 300 mhz 64mb of ram?`
`05:49.23`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: Well, you're the one assuming that the hardware change has been made and now the issue is trying to make it boot again. :-)`
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`05:49.50`	`oakland_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:49.52`	`hanasaki`	`wht is the name of the progrma that exposes an existing x session for vnc clients?`
`05:49.54`	`mwilson`	`Can't use this image... it tosses out the Keyspan.`
`05:49.58`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: Anyway, since the default seems to be including all modules, it's pretty much the scenario you'd described: including lots of modules in a big initrd that's resilient to hardware changes`
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`05:50.13`	`mwilson`	`Let's see what else it breaks...`
`05:50.17`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: and if you know what you're doing and understand the implications, you can change it to "probe" to save some space in your initrd`
`05:50.22`	`Wyzard`	`keyspan?`
`05:50.32`	`mwilson`	`Of course, there's no need to save space in it.`
`05:50.35`	`peterS`	`a USB serial driver?`
`05:51.05`	`Wyzard`	`hence the default of including all modules`
`05:51.34`	`Fl0b`	`What GUI would be suggested for a computer with: 300 mhz 64mb of ram?`
`05:52.05`	`gravity`	`Fl0b: Something like windowmaker or icewm probably.`
`05:52.08`	`gyges`	`fluxbox`
`05:52.13`	`Wyzard`	`Fl0b: XFCE maybe... GNOME or KDE would work, but would be sluggish`
`05:52.24`	`gyges`	`i run fluxbox very well on a p2 233 with 64M`
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`05:53.00`	`mwilson`	`Huh... nothing in the doc/ directory describes patches. Are Debian kernels no longer patch-happy? Or did I just pick one to look at that wasn't?`
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`05:53.04`	`Fl0b`	`i can just apt-get install fluxbox right?`
`05:53.15`	`Wyzard`	`There's a difference between a desktop environment (like XFCE, GNOME, KDE) and a plain window manager (like Fluxbox)`
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`05:53.46`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: If you're talking about patches to the kernel source tree, that's handled by make-kpkg`
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`05:54.14`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: It applies patches prior to the configure step, and removes them as part of the clean step, so you can have a patched kernel while still keeping your sources logically separate`
`05:54.40`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: I know what applies them... I expected that there'd be a document in an official kernel-image package describing which patches they'd pinned to the dartboard.`
`05:54.56`	`maher`	`mwilson: probably in the kernel source package`
`05:55.15`	`d0rk`	`is there a site for info on how to setup your wireless card in debian?`
`05:55.24`	`Wyzard`	`oh... you meant patches already applied by the maintainer, not patches applied by the user at make-kpkg time`
`05:55.42`	`Wyzard`	`I'd just look at the source package for that`
`05:55.42`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: It used to be a throw-it-at-the-wall-and-see-if-it-sticks philosophy of kernel patches. I was curious to see if it was still the same.`
`05:55.52`	`Wyzard`	`hehe`
`05:56.17`	`Wyzard`	`Well, I don't know the patch list offhand, but I think the really flaky stuff is in optional kernel-patch-* packages now`
`05:56.20`	`Supaplex`	`where does dpkg-reconfigure retreive the last known answers from? I choose not to start sshd, but it decided to run anyway.`
`05:56.21`	`mwilson`	`I know I'd never allow this 2.6.8-2 package I'm looking at here on my box.`
`05:56.25`	`d0rk`	`am i invisible`
`05:56.34`	`simonrvn`	`d0rk: yes`
`05:56.41`	`mwilson`	`Why?`
`05:56.41`	`d0rk`	`figured as much`
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`05:56.49`	`simonrvn`	`aptly named too`
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`05:57.17`	`mwilson`	`You have problems remembering that the box has Debian installed on it?`
`05:57.29`	`Wyzard`	`No, it just looks nicer than the Tux picture`
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`05:57.48`	`mwilson`	`Why use either one?`
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`05:57.51`	`Wyzard`	`plus it sort of advertises to others that I'm running Debian :-)`
`05:58.13`	`mwilson`	`Oh, yes, you spend all your time rebooting the box over and over as an advertisement.`
`05:58.20`	`Wyzard`	`lol`
`05:58.41`	`Wyzard`	`nah, but since it only appears for a few seconds anyway, and doesn't have any impact on the use of my system, it doesn't hurt`
`05:58.43`	`mwilson`	`Like people who fall all over themselves about bootsplash.`
`05:58.51`	`llahm`	`Wyzard: you've got to love trolling`
`05:58.53`	`Supaplex`	`he set his default runlevel to 6 :)`
`05:59.03`	`Wyzard`	`llahm: How do you figure?`
`05:59.12`	`llahm`	`Wyzard: i swear, if ever gnaa needed a new officer, i'd nominate mwilson for sure.`
`05:59.21`	`mwilson`	`gnaa?`
`05:59.21`	`chealer`	`haha`
`05:59.28`	`Fl0b`	`Can anyone help me out with installing fluxbox?`
`05:59.29`	`llahm`	`Wyzard: he would definitely be teh winz0r`
`05:59.37`	`Wyzard`	`llahm: I'd nominate him for the OpenBSD mailing lists perhaps`
`05:59.39`	`llahm`	`mwilson: gay nigger association of america`
`05:59.45`	`mwilson`	`Ah. Another moron.`
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`05:59.48`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: It's a Slashdot troll thing`
`05:59.52`	`llahm`	`mwilson: a trolling subject matter expert group`
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`06:00.05`	`llahm`	`won't be the first time he did that`
`06:00.10`	`llahm`	`won't be the last either`
`06:00.17`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Please don't tell me you actually read slashcrap.`
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`06:00.20`	`llahm`	`you know you're all pro when you can out-troll mwilson`
`06:00.33`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: And here I thought so much more of you.`
`06:00.40`	`daesotho`	`are you gay?`
`06:00.45`	`daesotho`	`are you a niger?`
`06:00.47`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: I don't often spend much time reading the comments, but I use the RSS`
`06:00.51`	`llahm`	`daesotho: lol`
`06:00.59`	`daesotho`	`are you going to ban me if i continue?`
`06:01.14`	`Wyzard`	`daesotho: This is not #gnaa`
`06:01.19`	`maher`	`daesotho: if you don't ask the next question the joke is lost`
`06:01.45`	`llahm`	`Wyzard: most irc networks disallow gnaa or do odd stuff to you if you join`
`06:01.53`	`dli`	`which package contains the command su ?`
`06:02.01`	`llahm`	`Wyzard: haven't tried on freenode because i was concerned it would gline my static ip`
`06:02.10`	`llahm`	`Wyzard: which would be bad`
`06:02.18`	`Fl0b`	`so can anyone help me with installing fluxbox i'm a lil' new to linux?`
`06:02.19`	`Wyzard`	`dli: "login"`
`06:02.23`	`grigor1`	`does anyone know if it's possible to block a specific IP address so that it's unblocked in a certain amount of time? portsentry?`
`06:02.24`	`simonrvn`	`daesotho: STFU you fucking moron and leave`
`06:02.29`	`daesotho`	`i actually successfully joined #gnaa a few days ago`
`06:02.35`	`JoshH`	`Fl0b: have you tried apt-get install fluxbox?`
`06:02.36`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: When I was trying to figure out what the point was behind RSS, I actually had slashcrap's in rss2emal. There wasn't a bloody thing worth reading.`
`06:02.40`	`simonrvn`	`@ops daesotho is trolling and racist homophobe`
`06:02.42`	`ravenbird`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: daesotho is trolling and racist homophobe`
`06:02.45`	`llahm`	`daesotho: i think perhaps it's best we give this topic up`
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`06:02.53`	`daesotho`	`yea`
`06:02.56`	`llahm`	`daesotho: people are misinterpreting the conversation`
`06:02.56`	`mwilson`	`s/emal/email`
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`06:03.09`	`simonrvn`	`thanks`
`06:03.18`	`kaplanfx`	`dpkg: hal`
`06:03.18`	`dpkg`	`well, hal is (Hardware Abstraction Layer) This is the portion of the operating system that lets programs deal with hardware directly. This allows programs needing more speed from the computer to bypass the standard OS calls to hardware. So instead of calling the Windows' API to draw a dialog box, you would go through the pain of actually drawing it out line by line: much faster, but much harder to write. This is of particular importance when ...`
`06:03.24`	`Fl0b`	`JoshH: yah, it gives me binaries 1 and 7 saying : W: couldn't stat source package list cdrom: blah blah blha`
`06:03.31`	`d0rk`	`is there a site for info on how to setup your wireless card in debian?`
`06:03.46`	`kaplanfx`	`dpkg: tell me about hal`
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`06:04.11`	`kaplanfx`	`heh`
`06:04.28`	`Fl0b`	`JoshH: then it says W: you may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems.. E: Package fluxbox has no installation candidate`
`06:04.32`	`grigor1`	`does anyone know how to temporarily block an IP address with iptables?`
`06:04.44`	`JoshH`	`Fl0b: run apt-setup, choose http or ftp for the apt method, pick a mirror, do apt-get update, then apt-get install fluxbox, then do some reading about how to use debian. :)`
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`06:04.48`	`kaplanfx`	`Wyzard: do you know anyhting about hal?`
`06:05.09`	`hanasaki`	`hosta - hostb - hostc how can ssh on hostb be made to forward all traffinc on a port in boht directions`
`06:05.19`	`llahm`	`Wyzard: directdraw is the API`
`06:05.25`	`kaplanfx`	`I guess my question is, is installing it safe?`
`06:05.31`	`maher`	`quit`
`06:05.33`	`llahm`	`Wyzard: GDI / HAL would be the non-API API ;-)`
`06:05.41`	`Wyzard`	`dpkg, hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes.`
`06:05.41`	`dpkg`	`...but hal is already something else...`
`06:05.49`	`Wyzard`	`dpkg, no, hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes.`
`06:05.50`	`dpkg`	`okay, Wyzard`
`06:05.57`	`kaplanfx`	`will it change my system behavior or it just an aditional thing?`
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`06:06.07`	`llahm`	`Wyzard: i didn't know fdo made a new kind of hal`
`06:06.19`	`mwilson`	`Isn't that supposed to be a Hardware Abstraction Layer from RedHat?`
`06:06.44`	`Wyzard`	`lol... I forgot that there's a Windows component called a HAL too... but I think the fd.o one is more relevant here`
`06:07.11`	`Wyzard`	`Even the Windows one doesn't really have anything to do with direct drawing though`
`06:07.19`	`mwilson`	`Or are we still all ignoring that RedHat controls fd.o?`
`06:07.24`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: It's hosted on freedesktop.org`
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`06:08.06`	`simonrvn`	`Admin Email:noc@redhat.com`
`06:08.18`	`simonrvn`	`whois -H freedesktop.org`
`06:08.39`	`simonrvn`	`Registrant Name:Red Hat, Inc.`
`06:08.53`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: I always find it amusing... random morons will tell you how evil RedHat is, and how wonderful fd.o is, but... funny, fd.o is RedHat.`
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`06:09.29`	`Wyzard`	`Red Hat as a distro is decent but not the greatest... Red Hat as a company sponsors a lot of useful work`
`06:09.53`	`Hybrid_`	`debian > all.`
`06:10.07`	`mwilson`	`RedHat controls one of the two major desktop environments, RedHat controls X, RedHat controls the major desktop standardization effort...`
`06:10.20`	`Wyzard`	`Hybrid_: Depends on your needs. Debian is a good distribution, but no distro is unilaterally better than all others.`
`06:10.26`	`gravity`	`RedHat doesn't control X`
`06:10.28`	`gravity`	`That's just silly`
`06:10.38`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: so?`
`06:10.41`	`kaplanfx`	`nah Debian ~ Arch`
`06:10.57`	`gravity`	`The others I won't argue with`
`06:10.58`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: It's amusing, is all.`
`06:11.09`	`gravity`	`heh`
`06:11.20`	`chealer`	`yep`
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`06:12.07`	`Wyzard`	`Red Hat is a major distribution, it's been around for a long time, and it has money... improvement of open-source software is in Red Hat's best interest, so it's no surprise that they sponsor a lot of stuff`
`06:12.13`	`kaplanfx`	`anyhow, debian gurus, can I just install this hal package? I've got kde 3.4 which supports hal in konq I believe`
`06:12.27`	`mwilson`	`I must have just picked a kernel that's non-patch-happy. Or maybe with Xu gone, that's not going on any more.`
`06:12.43`	`Wyzard`	`kaplanfx: If it's needed it'd have been pulled in as a dependency already`
`06:12.50`	`mwilson`	`"supports HAL in Konq" is a nonsense statement, anyway.`
`06:13.00`	`Wyzard`	`kaplanfx: It won't actually do much of use unless you're using udev, which requires a 2.6 kernel`
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`06:14.56`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: HAL actually does something useful?`
`06:15.02`	`kang1`	`Installed lm-sensors. No gui for it? It does not appear in the Applications Menu.`
`06:15.19`	`mwilson`	`kang1: No, no GUI. This is why it has documentation. Tried reading it?`
`06:15.42`	`kaplanfx`	`Wyzard: Linux kapbox 2.6.11.050305 #1 SMP Sat Mar 5 04:23:09 PST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`06:15.43`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: In a desktop environment, yes`
`06:15.48`	`kang1`	`I know about the doc, thanks.`
`06:15.54`	`chealer`	`kang1: try gkrellm`
`06:15.54`	`kaplanfx`	`but I don't believe im using udev`
`06:15.58`	`kaplanfx`	`how can I tell?`
`06:15.59`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Other than get in the way, like udev does, huh?`
`06:16.12`	`Wyzard`	`I think the hal package depends on udev, actually`
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`06:16.27`	`kang1`	`gkrellm is lm-sensor w gui?`
`06:16.34`	`mwilson`	`kang1: It is?`
`06:16.35`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: HAL or not, udev is an idea that I like`
`06:16.39`	`d0rk`	`is there a site for info on how to setup your wireless card in debian?`
`06:16.55`	`kaplanfx`	`mwilson: what I mean by konq supporting hal, was that konqs media:/ ioslave uses hal if you have it`
`06:16.56`	`kaplanfx`	`iirc`
`06:16.57`	`peterS`	`kang1: it's much much more than that`
`06:17.23`	`kang1`	`i'll have to use it to believe it.`
`06:17.23`	`mwilson`	`Yes, it's very important to be a member of that "my /dev is emptier than yours" d*ck-waving club.`
`06:17.51`	`mwilson`	`It has no other major practical application.`
`06:18.02`	`Wyzard`	`No, more for its ability to assign hotpluggable devices (like USB stuff) the same name no matter when it's plugged in, and to which port`
`06:18.39`	`mwilson`	`That would be useful, if it didn't bring all the udev baggage with it.`
`06:18.44`	`kaplanfx`	`mwilson: kapbox:/home/kaplanfx/downloads# ls /dev/ \| wc -l`
`06:18.44`	`kaplanfx`	`1659`
`06:18.51`	`kaplanfx`	`heh`
`06:18.51`	`mwilson`	`kaplanfx: So?`
`06:18.55`	`kaplanfx`	`not empty`
`06:19.06`	`peterS`	`Wyzard: does it use the SGI-like thing of recognising a previously seen device and giving it the same name, automatically, or do you have to do a lot of "configure once, plug anywhere" configuration?`
`06:19.09`	`d0rk`	`i'm almost tempted to add ugly colours just so people will pay attention to my question`
`06:19.22`	`kaplanfx`	`Wyzard: thats what I want`
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`06:19.35`	`peterS`	`d0rk: go ahead, we won't see them in #debian though since it doesn't allow mirc color to pass through`
`06:19.40`	`kaplanfx`	`I want my usb drive and mem reader to be supported on plug in`
`06:19.42`	`foolston1`	`...`
`06:19.50`	`kaplanfx`	`instead of manually mounting it`
`06:20.01`	`Wyzard`	`peterS: It doesn't do that by default, but it could be made to do so... when you plug in new hardware, udev announces its presence via dbus, so you'd write a client program which responds by configuring udev`
`06:20.03`	`mwilson`	`peterS: I think you still have to do a lot of rule-writing by hand after devices that were working magically disappear or randomly change their permissions.`
`06:20.16`	`d0rk`	`is there a site for info on how to setup your wireless card in debian?`
`06:20.42`	`kaplanfx`	`mwilson: thats what im worried about`
`06:20.54`	`kaplanfx`	`d0rk: google probably knows`
`06:20.59`	`peterS`	`Wyzard: this surprises me a bit. everyone who ever talks about udev says "I like how my digital camera is always called /dev/digital_camera" or whatever. they never seem to mention whether this requires a lot of configuration work on their part, or what`
`06:21.02`	`mwilson`	`kaplanfx: That means you have to use crap like gnome-volume-manager. I'm sure KDE has some sort of non-functional equivalent.`
`06:21.24`	`kaplanfx`	`mwilson: yeah thats what I was talking about, the kioslave media:/`
`06:21.38`	`d0rk`	`it doesn't and somebody must know i'm sure im not the only one with a wireless network card here`
`06:21.49`	`peterS`	`Wyzard: in other words - don't tell me what is possible with udev and try to sell it as something which is reality. and don't try to sell a feature as an ease-of-use thing if it requires arcane configuration first (:`
`06:21.51`	`Wyzard`	`peterS: It requires manual configuration... and that'll always be true if you want the name to be "digital_camera" rather than some autogenerated hex string`
`06:21.55`	`kaplanfx`	`d0rk: what chipset?`
`06:22.23`	`mwilson`	`peterS: And you have to accept that it'll randomly destroy your /dev as a bonus.`
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`06:22.45`	`Wyzard`	`peterS: Well, GNOME and KDE currently use udev (via dbus and HAL) to automount USB sticks when you plug them in... the device name in that case doesn't matter, because the mountpoint is known`
`06:22.50`	`peterS`	`mwilson: oh, it isn't random at all. it recreates /dev ex nihilo, every time`
`06:23.02`	`peterS`	`Wyzard: that's not about udev, that's about hotplug`
`06:23.15`	`peterS`	`well, hotplug -> hal/dbus`
`06:23.15`	`d0rk`	`pci`
`06:23.21`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: /dev is a tmpfs... the old /dev on-disk is rebound to /dev/.static/dev and left untouched`
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`06:23.26`	`zignig`	`Wyzard: is it possible to do that without kde or gnome.`
`06:23.31`	`zignig`	`?`
`06:23.41`	`Wyzard`	`peterS: hotplug passes off to udev... which passes off to dbus which passes off to HAL which passes off to gnome-volume-manager or whatever`
`06:23.47`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Oh, d'Itri's come up with some other stupid way to try hiding the original /dev?`
`06:24.02`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Just renaming it /.dev wasn't obscure enough?`
`06:24.02`	`Wyzard`	`zignig: Probably, but I don't know offhand of any packages to do it`
`06:24.15`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: Someone complained on one of the mailing lists that /.dev violates the FHS`
`06:24.31`	`peterS`	`Wyzard: well, ok, but I don't see why hotplug couldn't trigger dbus all by itself. the point of a bus architecture is to have multiple listeners. including, potentially, both udev and gnome-volume-manager`
`06:24.48`	`mwilson`	`Gods, you have to audit and re-audit any package he has a finger in.`
`06:24.58`	`Wyzard`	`peterS: dbus is just a communication medium, like CORBA or DCOP... it doesn't have anything to do with hardware, really`
`06:24.59`	`zignig`	`Wyzard: i've been wanting to set up scripts that run on usb-key insertion for a while`
`06:25.10`	`Wyzard`	`peterS: udev just uses dbus as a way of communicating with interested listeners such as HAL`
`06:25.15`	`peterS`	`Wyzard: I know. by 'bus architecture' I meant in software, not in hardware`
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`06:26.07`	`jm_`	`zignig: hotplug runs the script named after relevant module if it exists, therefore a script called usb-storage is executed - I use that`
`06:26.10`	`mwilson`	`Personally, I see no reason to use udev until it can do what is supposedly its primary feature while leaving the rest of /dev alone.`
`06:26.16`	`Wyzard`	`peterS: The reason udev does it rather than hotplug directly is that udev creates the device node, so when it announces the hardware, it can include the name of the new device node as part of the message`
`06:26.38`	`peterS`	`Wyzard: that works`
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`06:27.04`	`grigor1`	`how does one delete a specific rule from iptables without completely stopping the firewall?`
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`06:27.48`	`zignig`	`jm_: really , oh cool.`
`06:27.49`	`jm_`	`grigor1: man iptables, pay attention to -D`
`06:27.49`	`Wyzard`	`grigor1: "iptables -D", followed by the specification of the rule you want to delete, IIRC`
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`06:28.13`	`grigor1`	`jm_: Wyzard: many thanks`
`06:28.32`	`zignig`	`jm_: just drop it in /etc/hotplug.d/ ?`
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`06:29.20`	`jm_`	`zignig: /etc/hotplug.d/usb`
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`06:29.56`	`Wyzard`	`zignig: If you wanted to be cleaner about it, you could write a daemon which listens on dbus for hardware announcements from udev, and mounts media as it becomes available`
`06:29.56`	`zignig`	`jm_: great thanks, I'll have a look`
`06:30.03`	`mwilson`	`If all you care about is that $RANDOM_DEVICE has the same name all the time, there's no reason why hotplug couldn't have done it.`
`06:30.26`	`zignig`	`Wyzard: 2.4 kern on this box ( for now )`
`06:31.05`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: Technically speaking, yes, but that'd require adding significant new functionality to hotplug which is unrelated to the current functionality (namely, parsing stuff in /sys to recognize the device based on some specified criteria)`
`06:31.21`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: Better to put that functionality in a separate program`
`06:31.44`	`mwilson`	`It's already halfway there. The world didn't need YAD.`
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`06:32.03`	`mwilson`	`Especially devfs-ng.`
`06:32.11`	`jm_`	`zignig: one annoying thing I've noticed is that you sometimes have to wait several seconds if you want mount to succeed - so putting sleep into your script might be required`
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`06:32.59`	`kendrick`	`hrm, my wife's running Sarge on her laptop, and is trying to do an aptitude upgrade to get the latest gimp (2.2.2 to 2.2.4)`
`06:33.03`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: How is creating another daemon any worse than grafting another arm onto an existing daemon?`
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`06:33.14`	`kendrick`	`she's getting this, though:`
`06:33.18`	`kendrick`	`[23:36] piper #299744 - broken package, gimp depends on gimp-data (= 2.2.4-1)`
`06:33.18`	`kendrick`	`[23:36] piper #302314 - i can't install gimp : wrong dependencies`
`06:33.32`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Because now udev has to justify its existence.`
`06:33.58`	`Guerin`	`kendrick: pure sarge sources? use apt-cache policy {gimp,gimp-data} to see if there are mixups`
`06:34.12`	`kendrick`	`ok`
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`06:34.27`	`kendrick`	`and yeah. i believe pure sarge...`
`06:34.28`	`Wyzard`	`kendrick: Current version of gimp and gimp-data in sarge is 2.2.4-2... maybe you need to "apt-get update" ?`
`06:34.35`	`kendrick`	`she said she did :)`
`06:34.43`	`Wyzard`	`do it again`
`06:34.50`	`Wyzard`	`It shouldn't be trying to install gimp 2.2.4-1`
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`06:35.22`	`Wyzard`	`Maybe your mirror is in the middle of updating, so it has the new gimp-data but not the new gimp yet... wait an hour and try again`
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`06:36.17`	`kendrick`	`yeah, i see "Version: 2.2.4-2" in my apt-cache`
`06:36.36`	`Guerin`	`i blame aptitude`
`06:36.41`	`kendrick`	`hehehehe`
`06:36.49`	`Guerin`	`but I won't advise you to use apt-*, because that would be regression`
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`06:37.17`	`mwilson`	`aptitude is the regression`
`06:37.29`	`chealer`	`I've never seen such a situation happen`
`06:37.29`	`chealer`	`at least not during an hour`
`06:37.39`	`Wyzard`	`chealer: I've seen it happen before`
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`06:39.02`	`kendrick`	`hrm`
`06:39.11`	`Wyzard`	`Random question... can anyone think of a good argument against disabling the root account and using sudo exclusively, like Ubuntu does? I've done it on my laptop and haven't run into any problems so far, but I'm wondering whether anyone else can think of potential problems.`
`06:39.19`	`kendrick`	`apt-cache show gimp-data on her box shows BOTH 2.2.4-2 and 2.2.2-1`
`06:39.27`	`zignig`	`jm_: ok thanks, it's mostly for a sync between home and work so speed is not really an issue for starting up.`
`06:39.58`	`jm_`	`zignig: it's not an issue for me either, now that I know why mount failed sometimes ;)`
`06:40.02`	`Guerin`	`Wyzard: cat false > /etc/X11/default_display_manager`
`06:40.07`	`kendrick`	`and for gimp, she gets 2.2.2-1`
`06:40.09`	`Wyzard`	`kendrick: Both those versions are available... one in the archive, and one because it's currently installed`
`06:40.52`	`Wyzard`	`Guerin: You're saying that can't be done under sudo?`
`06:40.52`	`Guerin`	`Wyzard: granted, tht's not a compelling argument`
`06:41.06`	`kendrick`	`so in this case it sounds like maybe she DOES need to do apt-get update again in a little bit...?`
`06:41.16`	`Guerin`	`Wyzard: can it?`
`06:41.16`	`Wyzard`	`kendrick: Yeah... wait awhile, then update again`
`06:41.24`	`zignig`	`jm_: heh. I run a script manually at the moment that looks for a ssl key and checks it, so thats all ready to go.`
`06:42.12`	`Wyzard`	`Guerin: I don't see why not, though my laptop's not running at the moment and I don't feel like booting it right now`
`06:42.29`	`chealer`	`kendrick: apt-cache show gimp mentions 2.2.4-1?`
`06:42.32`	`Wyzard`	`Guerin: but if the redirection causes problems, I could just run "sudo -i" to get a root shell, and then run it from there`
`06:42.44`	`jm_`	`zignig: ahh you could use autofs then, to mount it when needed`
`06:42.47`	`Guerin`	`Wyzard: well, plain sudo cat > /fileyoudonthavepermsfor doesn't work`
`06:43.04`	`kendrick`	`chealer: no, only 2.2.2-1`
`06:43.11`	`Wyzard`	`Guerin: ah, that makes sense, because the redirection is done by the nonprivileged shell`
`06:43.16`	`Guerin`	`yeah`
`06:43.27`	`Wyzard`	`Guerin: but there's "sudo -i", so that's only a minor problem`
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`06:43.44`	`zignig`	`jm_: tried that , I just want it to trigger in key insertion.`
`06:43.51`	`chealer`	`kendrick: yet it depends on gimp-data 2.2.4-1? strange`
`06:43.58`	`Guerin`	`Wyzard: my concern would be that there's only one level of passwordery between no shell and root`
`06:44.16`	`Guerin`	`as in, if someone gets your user pass, they own root as well`
`06:44.44`	`Wyzard`	`yeah`
`06:45.07`	`Wyzard`	`but since this is a desktop system, I'd suffer more from damage to my user's files than to systemwide stuff anyway`
`06:45.07`	`zignig`	`Guerin: and that would be bad.`
`06:45.39`	`Guerin`	`Wyzard: you didn't ask about YOUR system... you asked about the policy in general.`
`06:45.56`	`Guerin`	`ubuntu claims to be suitable for servers and all other kinds of machines, not just luser desktops`
`06:45.57`	`Wyzard`	`ah... sorry about that, I wasn't suggesting making this change in Debian itself :-)`
`06:46.04`	`chealer`	`kendrick: I have gimp 2.2.3-2 installed here and it depends on gimp-data 2.2.3-2 so I don't see how you could have gimp 2.2.2-1 depending on gimp-data 2.2.4-1`
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`06:46.24`	`Wyzard`	`hehe... sure, you can run a server on Ubuntu, just like you can run a desktop on Debian (stable, of course) ;-)`
`06:46.31`	`Guerin`	`Wyzard: heh`
`06:46.44`	`jm_`	`chealer: new version depends on gimp-data (= 2.2.4-2)`
`06:47.05`	`Guerin`	`well, given the number of servers running fedora 3 and gentoo, it would appear that you can run a server on anything`
`06:47.13`	`chealer`	`jm_: yep... gimp x.y.z-d seems to depends gimp-data x.y.z-d`
`06:47.18`	`Wyzard`	`I would definitely not run a server on Gentoo`
`06:47.19`	`kendrick`	`The following packages will be upgraded: gimp gimp-data gimp-svg libfontconfig1`
`06:47.20`	`zignig`	`Guerin: and windows for that matter.`
`06:47.29`	`Guerin`	`zignig: indeed`
`06:48.07`	`kendrick`	`grave bugs of gimp (2.2.2-1 -> 2.2.4-2) <done> ... #299744 - broken package, gimp depends on gimp-data (= 2.2.4-1) ... #302314 - i can't install gimp : wrong dependencies`
`06:48.12`	`kendrick`	`oh, hrm, this is apt-listbugs`
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`06:48.47`	`Wyzard`	`I recently had a debate with a Gentoo user on a web forum regarding the value of stable releases... he didn't quite seem to understand that upgrading to the latest version of an app just to get a bugfix is not always a desirable thing`
`06:48.49`	`kendrick`	`ugh`
`06:48.49`	`Guerin`	`kendrick: known bug, then`
`06:48.58`	`kendrick`	`yeah, but is it verified?`
`06:49.09`	`Guerin`	`kendrick: it seems to be, by you`
`06:49.11`	`kendrick`	`"i can't install gimp : wrong dependencies"`
`06:49.17`	`kendrick`	`Guerin: no :)`
`06:49.29`	`kendrick`	`cuz my wife didn't think to answer "Y" to aptitude when it asked if she was sure she wanted to install`
`06:49.31`	`kendrick`	`sigh ;)`
`06:49.45`	`kendrick`	`# gimp --version ... GIMP version 2.2.4`
`06:49.47`	`kendrick`	`whee :)`
`06:49.56`	`kendrick`	`well, i learned something`
`06:50.14`	`kendrick`	`don't trust apt-listbugs entirely, and be sure to ask the wife if she's being prompted for anything ;)`
`06:50.22`	`Guerin`	`Wyzard: but why wouldn't you want the latest and greatest? Why settle for yesterday's software?`
`06:50.24`	`kendrick`	`(i am admitteldy new to both aptitude and apt-listbugs, and she wanted to upgrade ONLY gimp)`
`06:50.34`	`kendrick`	`Guerin: my wife's that way`
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`06:50.37`	`kendrick`	`shit breaks`
`06:50.38`	`Wyzard`	`Guerin: Careful, I do run sid, you know :-P`
`06:50.42`	`kendrick`	`twice now apt-get upgrade has fux0red her firefox`
`06:50.45`	`kendrick`	`that pisses her off :)`
`06:50.47`	`Guerin`	`Wyzard: if I wanted old software, I'd still be running windows (95,98,2000,2003)`
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`06:51.08`	`Guerin`	`kendrick: heh`
`06:51.28`	`Wyzard`	`OK, it's almost 3am... gotta get to sleep`
`06:51.36`	`kendrick`	`anyway, well, thanks :)`
`06:51.38`	`kendrick`	`cya folks`
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`06:52.50`	`mindframe`	`received this on join`
`06:52.50`	`mindframe`	`(01:52:22) (PinG) http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos`
`06:53.04`	`gravity`	`!ops PinG on-join spammer`
`06:53.06`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PinG on-join spammer`
`06:53.10`	`mindframe`	`excellent`
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`06:53.28`	`gravity`	`Thanks`
`06:53.45`	`Guerin`	`Wyzard: there is no evil look you can give an alarm clock that is more evil than it waking you up`
`06:54.03`	`Guerin`	`no, two vengeances`
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`06:55.36`	`hanasaki`	`have a link for formationg usb flash drives? i have googled and found nothing`
`06:55.48`	`jm_`	`hanasaki: man mkfs`
`06:55.54`	`mindframe`	`uhmm im having trouble with vsftpd all of the sudden. it was working as of last night at 7:35 pm. now none of my users can log in. it gives 530 login incorrect when im positive that the proper login / pass is provided.`
`06:56.05`	`hanasaki`	`jm_: how do i find wht /dev its on`
`06:56.22`	`jm_`	`hanasaki: try cat /proc/partitions or check your logs`
`06:56.55`	`hanasaki`	`ah!`
`06:56.56`	`hanasaki`	`thanks`
`06:57.12`	`hanasaki`	`any filesystem type better for flash? ext ext2 3? rieser?`
`06:57.21`	`jm_`	`I use vfat`
`06:57.31`	`hanasaki`	`hmm why is that`
`06:57.56`	`ysothoth`	`ext2`
`06:58.01`	`ysothoth`	`do not use a journalling filesystem`
`06:58.03`	`ysothoth`	`dummy`
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`06:58.16`	`jm_`	`because that way I can use it everywhere, even when I visit windows lamers`
`06:58.20`	`mindframe`	`keke journaling on a flash card`
`06:58.20`	`hanasaki`	`y>?`
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`06:58.35`	`hanasaki`	`j,, vfat doesnt journel ysothoth`
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`06:59.36`	`ysothoth`	`whatever`
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`07:02.06`	`iIzzyb`	`anyone able to help me through a failed apt-get update of postfix`
`07:02.54`	`iIzzyb`	`don't know where to begin to troubleshoot the issue`
`07:02.56`	`mindframe`	`on the subject of optimizing with fs's... what would be the best fs for a read only partition full of mp3's? (car computer)`
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`07:03.14`	`directhex`	`jfs!`
`07:03.36`	`mindframe`	`seriously? isnt that a bsd thing?`
`07:03.48`	`sep`	`iIzzyb: start by telling us how it failed and the error message and what release your using.`
`07:04.10`	`Guerin`	`mindframe: ext2`
`07:04.18`	`a`	`dose sarge suport 915g chipset, ??`
`07:04.24`	`iIzzyb`	`I'm using debian testing`
`07:04.46`	`iIzzyb`	`the error starts with this:`
`07:04.50`	`Guerin`	`jfs is developed by ibm, it's not a bsd thing`
`07:04.57`	`a`	`can'`
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`07:05.01`	`iIzzyb`	Starting mail transport agent: Postfixln: creating symbolic link `usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime' to `/etc/localtime': No such file or directory
`07:05.02`	`iIzzyb`	`invoke-rc.d: initscript postfix, action "start" failed.`
`07:05.02`	`iIzzyb`	`dpkg: error processing postfix (--configure):`
`07:05.02`	`mindframe`	`ah`
`07:05.16`	`a`	`can't set my xwinws , iam using 915g chipset`
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`07:05.49`	`iIzzyb`	`I seen that zoneinfo is actually in /usr/share, so created a slink to /usr/lib, but that didn't fix it`
`07:05.55`	`a`	`any patch or drive to fix this`
`07:06.55`	`peterS`	`iIzzyb: wtf, why would postfix be messing with zoneinfo anyway? I don't get it`
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`07:07.51`	`iIzzyb`	`something tells me the update is buggy, but I've never played with .deb files so don't even know where to begin troubleshooting this`
`07:07.51`	`jm_`	`check BTS I guess`
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`07:09.05`	`a`	`dexconf dos not work also..`
`07:09.31`	`ysothoth`	`If it's read only you do not want a journalling file system`
`07:09.36`	`morph_`	`how do you set default apps? Is there and rc file that stores the default app preferences?`
`07:09.41`	`iIzzyb`	`looks like the rest of the install aborted because of this error`
`07:10.50`	`iIzzyb`	`and there is already a /etc/localtime that is correct, so this is completely redundent`
`07:10.53`	`Guerin`	`morph_: what are you on about?`
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`07:11.44`	`morph_`	`erm. f'rinstance, setting a default browser`
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`07:12.20`	`netvoodoo`	`hi all`
`07:13.25`	`Guerin`	`morph_: alternatives, debian's sensible-*; gnome has one, kde has one`
`07:14.19`	`morph_`	`Guerin: If you aren't using Gnome or KDE, then its 'alternatives' ? do I have that right?`
`07:14.36`	`Guerin`	`morph_: yeah`
`07:14.53`	`Guerin`	`morph_: update-alternatives --all # as root`
`07:15.48`	`acollins`	`can anyone tell me where the list of sessions is defined for kdm?`
`07:16.09`	`acollins`	`e.g Gnome, KDE, Default, etc...`
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`07:16.59`	`Guerin`	`acollins: i believe it's in /etc/kde3/kdm/something.conf`
`07:17.06`	`morph_`	`Guerin: I'll have to try that. What does 'export BROWSER="firefox"' write to?`
`07:17.30`	`acollins`	`Guerin: thanks I'll take a look`
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`07:17.38`	`caphuso`	`morph_: "write"?`
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`07:18.10`	`morph_`	`surely there is a rc file that stores the output of that command`
`07:18.19`	`caphuso`	`morph_: no`
`07:18.31`	`morph_`	`k`
`07:18.38`	`caphuso`	`and even if there were one, that command doesn't produce any output`
`07:18.44`	`morph_`	`ah`
`07:18.52`	`morph_`	`what exactly does it do?`
`07:19.30`	`Guerin`	`morph_: it's an environment variable`
`07:19.36`	`Guerin`	`it lives in your shell`
`07:19.37`	`caphuso`	`morph_: it puts the environment variable BROWSER with a value of "firefox" into the environment of the shell and all subsequently started child processes`
`07:20.06`	`morph_`	`caphuso: so that variable is gone when you quit that shell`
`07:20.13`	`caphuso`	`morph_: yes`
`07:20.29`	`morph_`	`cool. I learned something ;-)`
`07:21.00`	`iIzzyb`	`morph_ add it to your ~/.bashrc file if you want it to be set every time you log in`
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`07:21.26`	`iIzzyb`	`morph_ assuming you use bash as your shell`
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`07:21.48`	`caphuso`	`use ~/bash_profile for that`
`07:21.49`	`morph_`	`ilzzyb: yes, I'm using bash`
`07:21.54`	`caphuso`	`err ~/.bash_profile`
`07:22.26`	`morph_`	`so, f'rinstance, I'm in my mailclient, and I click on a URL- Galeon is launched. Why?`
`07:22.27`	`iIzzyb`	`morph_, could also add it to /etc/profile if you want it to be a system wide default`
`07:22.45`	`morph_`	`ilzzyb: ah.. I see...`
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`07:24.49`	`Guerin`	`morph_: evolution?`
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`07:25.04`	`e_machinist`	`I'm getting an error in my game. It is saying that it could not load the opengl subsystem.`
`07:25.13`	`morph_`	`Guerin: no, balsa`
`07:25.17`	`e_machinist`	`MOHAA, is the game.`
`07:25.26`	`e_machinist`	`Does anyone know how to go about fixing this problem?`
`07:25.50`	`Guerin`	`because one of the gnome browser default, the kde browser default, or one of the browser alternatives is set to galeon`
`07:25.51`	`Guerin`	`morph_: ok, i believe that's still gnome`
`07:26.05`	`morph_`	`Guerin: I don't use gnome, or kde`
`07:26.09`	`Guerin`	`e_machinist: more data`
`07:26.27`	`daffy-pkf`	`lo`
`07:26.31`	`Guerin`	`morph_: gnome apps still use the gnome defaults`
`07:26.37`	`morph_`	`Guerin: I don't use gnome as a wm`
`07:26.42`	`morph_`	`Ah I see.`
`07:26.48`	`Guerin`	`morph_: if balsa is not a gnome app, then set your browser alternatives correctly`
`07:26.48`	`e_machinist`	`Ok. The error says Initializing Renderer ----`
`07:26.48`	`e_machinist`	`----- R_Init -----`
`07:26.49`	`e_machinist`	`...loading libGL.so: SDL: SDL_GL_LoadLibrary() failed! rc == (-1).`
`07:26.49`	`e_machinist`	`SDL_GetError() reports "Could not load OpenGL library".`
`07:26.49`	`e_machinist`	`failed`
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`07:26.53`	`Guerin`	`morph_: irrelevant`
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`07:27.09`	`morph_`	`Guerin: I understand now. balsa is a gnome app`
`07:27.13`	`e_machinist`	`Woops, sorry, posted to much.`
`07:27.14`	`Guerin`	`e_machinist: don't paste`
`07:27.18`	`e_machinist`	`I will post the error line by line.`
`07:27.21`	`Guerin`	`e_machinist: what video card?`
`07:27.25`	`Guerin`	`e_machinist: no, don't`
`07:27.30`	`e_machinist`	`oh ok. ATI Radeon 9200.`
`07:27.35`	`e_machinist`	`Guerin, ok, I won't.`
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`07:27.54`	`Guerin`	`e_machinist: have you installed any 3d drivers for it?`
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`07:28.15`	`e_machinist`	`Guerin, I have installed the current fglrx drivers and am getting full hardware acceleration.`
`07:28.23`	`Guerin`	`e_machinist: ok, beats me then`
`07:29.14`	`e_machinist`	`Looks to be a problem with the SDL library. SDL__GL_LoadLibrary failed.`
`07:29.16`	`e_machinist`	`Is SDL perhaps not loading the opengl library?`
`07:29.43`	`caphuso`	`e_machinist: does glxgears work?`
`07:29.51`	`Solet`	`why does the command shutdown "now" not accually turn the machine off?`
`07:29.52`	`e_machinist`	`Yes, glxgears works.`
`07:30.09`	`e_machinist`	`Quake 3 Arena also works perfectly, just cannot seem to get MOHAA to run.`
`07:30.13`	`caphuso`	`Solet: missing apm/acpi support in the kernel`
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`07:30.32`	`Solet`	`caphuso: how do i fix that?`
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`07:30.41`	`e_machinist`	`Always bombs out because of SDL not being able to load the opengl library it looks like to me.`
`07:30.44`	`jm_`	`Solet: use poweroff to make it do that and make sure ACPI/APM support is available`
`07:31.26`	`Solet`	`the command 'poweroff' in terminal will work?`
`07:31.34`	`acollins`	`is there are way of setting the X dpi at system level`
`07:31.35`	`acollins`	`?`
`07:31.37`	`jm_`	`not if shutdown -h doesn't work`
`07:31.38`	`Solet`	`how do i make sure acpi/apm support is available?`
`07:32.03`	`acollins`	`I find that kde and gnome set it differently (the fonts under gnome are slightly smaller for the same point size)`
`07:32.05`	`Guerin`	`acollins: yes; it's detailed in man xf86config-4`
`07:32.15`	`acollins`	`Guerin: thanks`
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`07:32.44`	`e_machinist`	`I tried installing libsage, that was supposed to make the SDL library aware that opengl exists on the computer...`
`07:32.45`	`d0p3y`	`should I use Gnome or KDE with debian?`
`07:32.50`	`Guerin`	`acollins: DisplaySize`
`07:32.54`	`Guerin`	`d0p3y: no`
`07:32.55`	`e_machinist`	`Didn't change the bombing out though.`
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`07:33.17`	`Solet`	`how do i make sure acpi/apm support is available?`
`07:33.18`	`d0p3y`	`Guerin: no?`
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`07:33.25`	`Guerin`	`d0p3y: no.`
`07:33.41`	`d0p3y`	`Guerin: I should use neither?`
`07:34.10`	`Guerin`	`d0p3y: live a little. Try xfce4`
`07:34.22`	`rob^`	`hey, does anyone know what the usr in /usr stands for?`
`07:34.24`	`d0p3y`	`is that what you use?`
`07:34.25`	`Guerin`	`d0p3y: or *box, or my favorite: ratpoison!`
`07:34.30`	`Guerin`	`i use lots of things`
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`07:34.37`	`e_machinist`	`Xfce4 is decent.`
`07:34.39`	`iIzzyb`	`where do packages get downloaded to when you do an apt-get upgrade?`
`07:34.40`	`caphuso`	`rob^: unix system resources`
`07:34.44`	`Guerin`	`rob^: unix system resources`
`07:34.46`	`rob^`	`I always thought "user"`
`07:34.48`	`e_machinist`	`I still prefer GNOME though.`
`07:34.53`	`deadcat`	`rob^: /usr - user`
`07:35.01`	`d0p3y`	`lol@rob`
`07:35.04`	`caphuso`	`deadcat: wrong`
`07:35.08`	`deadcat`	`(=`
`07:35.12`	`Guerin`	`iIzzyb: /var/cache/apt/archives/`
`07:35.17`	`deadcat`	`thats what it stands for in my book`
`07:35.22`	`dli`	`after changing ld.so.conf, what to run? ldconfig ?`
`07:35.35`	`iIzzyb`	`how can I open the .deb file to look at the buggy install script?`
`07:35.37`	`Guerin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:35.37`	`caphuso`	`deadcat: time to get an updated reprint ;-)`
`07:35.41`	`d0p3y`	`Guerin: I will try somethin' other then KDE and Gnome`
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`07:35.48`	`rob^`	`any idea where in all the docs and stuff it actually mentions what /usr stands for?`
`07:35.49`	`Guerin`	`d0p3y: huzzah!`
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`07:35.54`	`deadcat`	`caphuso: doh. heheh`
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`07:36.05`	`Guerin`	`rob^: it's in the Unix and Fundamentals Guide`
`07:36.11`	`Guerin`	`on tldp`
`07:36.16`	`Guerin`	`err`
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`07:36.18`	`rob^`	`Guerin, thanks`
`07:36.21`	`Guerin`	`unix and internet fundamentals`
`07:36.32`	`Guerin`	`by the despicalby patronising ESR`
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`07:37.19`	`Solet`	`hey you guys tell me to make sure that acpi/apm is supported... but i have no idea hot to check that....`
`07:38.40`	`e_machinist`	`How do I navigate to the trash using the terminal?`
`07:38.52`	`Guerin`	`Solet: google yourmotherboardnamehere+acpi+linux`
`07:38.57`	`e_machinist`	`nevermind.`
`07:39.02`	`e_machinist`	`Remember how. haha.`
`07:39.02`	`Guerin`	`e_machinist: hah`
`07:39.18`	`d0p3y`	`damn I knew I should have written down what type of video card I had in my laptop`
`07:39.21`	`e_machinist`	`Gotta rm -rf some junk.`
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`07:40.12`	`Guerin`	`d0p3y: lspci \|grep -i vga`
`07:40.42`	`d0p3y`	`thnx`
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`07:41.31`	`e_machinist`	`oh yah. Reminds me, anyone know why I might be getting "modeprobe" errors at startup? Always tells me that it cannot insert two different things. pciehp, and shpchp, or something near to that.`
`07:41.54`	`Guerin`	`e_machinist: thay're not errors, they're warnings. Consider yourself warned, and move on.`
`07:42.16`	`liable`	`hmmm, when I unplug the ac for my laptop, I get a 'hdc:drive_cmd:status0x51 DriveReady SeekComplete' error`
`07:42.18`	`e_machinist`	`Well, I'm not worried about them, they haven't affected anything yet.`
`07:42.19`	`e_machinist`	`heh.`
`07:42.22`	`Solet`	`Guerin: so what you're saying is that if my mobo doesnt support it i have no way of safely powering off my machine?`
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`07:42.47`	`Guerin`	`Solet: of course not. You can always use /sbin/shutdown`
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`07:43.09`	`Jahooty`	`someone told me about an open source data recovery app being developed under debian but i can't remember what it as now, does anyone here know waht it mgiht be?`
`07:43.16`	`Guerin`	`Solet: do the same for apm; most modern machines will use acpi, though`
`07:43.28`	`Guerin`	`Jahooty: it wasn't cp, was it?`
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`07:43.33`	`Solet`	`yeah this is a new motherboard...`
`07:43.35`	`Guerin`	`Jahooty: or maybe dd`
`07:43.40`	`Jahooty`	`cp, copy?`
`07:43.44`	`Solet`	`but shutdown "now" doesnt power it off`
`07:43.49`	`Guerin`	`Jahooty: those aren't really being developed on debian, though`
`07:43.57`	`e_machinist`	`When mine gives the acpi_power_off command I just hold down the power button and it powers off.`
`07:44.00`	`e_machinist`	`Works for me, haha.`
`07:44.02`	`Jahooty`	`it was for recovering data after a reformat or after deletion`
`07:44.13`	`Guerin`	`Solet: but you can power off without pain once it's finished its run`
`07:44.20`	`Guerin`	`ok`
`07:44.46`	`peterS`	`it's Guerout`
`07:45.15`	`Solet`	`so once it gets to Give root password for maintenance (or type Control-D for normal startup): i can shut the machine off?`
`07:45.25`	`Solet`	`cause when ever i do that it disk checks when it turnit back on`
`07:45.36`	`sep`	`Solet: that's not poweroff, thats init 1`
`07:45.59`	`Jahooty`	`isn't cp just the copy command?`
`07:46.16`	`Solet`	`ohhhh i forgot the -h didnt i...`
`07:46.20`	`Solet`	`shit`
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`07:46.37`	`sep`	`Solet: dont you have the poweroff command ?`
`07:47.08`	`iIzzyb`	`k, I figured out how to unpack a .deb file using dpkg-deb -x, but I don't see where the control file is that handles the install`
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`07:48.01`	`tarzeau`	`iIzzyb: try open it with ar x`
`07:48.09`	`peterS`	`iIzzyb: control.tar.gz has several scripts in it`
`07:48.26`	`Piggeldi`	`someone affected with ssh?`
`07:48.35`	`peterS`	`iIzzyb: use dpkg-deb -e not dpkg-deb -x`
`07:48.47`	`Piggeldi`	`can't login as regular user via ssh ... any recommendations?`
`07:50.08`	`Erpo`	`Piggeldi: Make sure you ask in #linuxhelp too.`
`07:50.16`	`Erpo`	`Piggeldi: What error are you getting?`
`07:50.16`	`iIzzyb`	`peterS, hmm, didn't see a -e option in the man page, but it looks like it worked`
`07:50.28`	`Piggeldi`	`thx Erpo i'll do this :-)`
`07:50.29`	`iIzzyb`	`I now have a DEBIAN dir that wasn't there before`
`07:50.31`	`peterS`	`iIzzyb: I just used 'dpkg-deb --help'`
`07:50.37`	`peterS`	`iIzzyb: to remind myself what the option was`
`07:51.04`	`peterS`	`iIzzyb: look at the config, preinst and postinst scripts in particular`
`07:51.15`	`Piggeldi`	`Apr 7 09:02:16 localhost sshd[12488]: Account olaf has expired`
`07:51.17`	`Piggeldi`	`Apr 7 09:02:16 localhost sshd[12488]: Failed none for invalid user olaf from :: ffff:127.0.0.1 port 33063 ssh2`
`07:51.17`	`Piggeldi`	`Apr 7 09:02:20 localhost sshd[12488]: error: Could not get shadow information f or NOUSER`
`07:51.18`	`iIzzyb`	`strange, looks like a few things not mentioned in the man page`
`07:51.28`	`Piggeldi`	`but login as local user is possible`
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`07:52.17`	`iIzzyb`	`peterS, I was thinking I'd just delete the line thats trying to create the slink and repackage it and try the install again`
`07:52.33`	`iIzzyb`	`what is the command I'm going to need to repackage this?`
`07:52.49`	`iIzzyb`	`is it the -b for build?`
`07:53.02`	`peterS`	`iIzzyb: easier to edit the script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.* and retry 'dpkg --configure'. this only works after the unpack stage, naturally`
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`07:57.27`	`carnage`	`hey where is the x conf file? i'm totally sick of 800x600 heh`
`07:57.42`	`Solet`	`is there a setting some where where debian will have my numberlock on as soon as it boots?`
`07:57.46`	`jm_`	`carnil: /msg dpkg reconfigure x`
`07:58.05`	`jm_`	`Solet: BIOS often has an option for this`
`07:58.11`	`carnage`	`does dpkg know how to get sound to work too?`
`07:58.25`	`jm_`	`sounds is a matter of loading the right modules for your hardware`
`07:58.27`	`caphuso`	`Solet: for console: /etc/console-tools/config. for X: numlockx`
`07:58.34`	`Solet`	`i didnt see it in bios`
`07:58.44`	`caphuso`	`the bios setting is useless`
`07:58.46`	`drac`	`carnage: /msg dpkg alsa, /msg dpkg sound..`
`07:58.54`	`caphuso`	`both the kernel and X completely ignore it anyways`
`07:59.06`	`Solet`	`i looked for it in every place i could think it would be, and half of the menus it shouldnt have been in :/`
`07:59.11`	`jm_`	`you mean override it?`
`07:59.35`	`caphuso`	`jm_: only if it isn't actually set to what they think it should be set ;-)`
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`07:59.52`	`jm_`	`caphuso: ;)`
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`08:00.41`	`sep`	`Solet: have you tried www.google.com something like numlock boot linux`
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`08:02.27`	tintin`	`hello all i am trying to run jigdo to get myself a debian dvd`
`08:02.50`	tintin`	`i get a lot of not found files`
`08:03.05`	tintin`	`how do i handle this ?`
`08:03.32`	`SlayerXP`	tintin`: why do you want a whole DVD of packages?
`08:03.38`	tintin`	`yes`
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`08:04.08`	tintin`	`Well the DVD's are going to be installed on a number of systems and distributed in the local linux user group`
`08:04.37`	`SlayerXP`	tintin`: a typical debian install uses perhaps 150mb of packages.
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`08:05.13`	tintin`	`yes true but in country where broadband is not effective i suppose a dvd is not a bad idea`
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`08:06.08`	`simonrvn`	`sarge rc3 i suppose is good. don't they have dvd images ?`
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`08:06.35`	tintin`	`i have half the files of sarge via jigdo`
`08:06.42`	`simonrvn`	`oh ok`
`08:07.05`	tintin`	`maybe the packages don't exist and i need a new jigdo template ?`
`08:07.31`	`simonrvn`	`shrug. never used it`
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`08:10.54`	`iIzzyb`	`peterS, problem solved. thanks for the help`
`08:11.06`	`iIzzyb`	`turned out to be a problem with the new init.d script`
`08:11.12`	`peterS`	`iIzzyb: cool. did you check bugs.debian.org/src:postfix to see if the bug had been reported yet?`
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`08:11.25`	`d3vic3`	`hi`
`08:11.34`	`iIzzyb`	`it was detecting that it needed to setup a chroot env, which I'm not sure is needed, but I'll check the config for`
`08:11.47`	`d3vic3`	`how do I use gpg with thunderbird to sign my messages ?`
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`08:12.18`	`iIzzyb`	`but it failed to verify that there was a usr/lib/zoneinfo dir before trying to create the link`
`08:12.28`	`Noid`	`is there a tool to recover partition tables?`
`08:12.42`	`jm_`	`d3vic3: enigmail extension or somesuch`
`08:12.48`	`iIzzyb`	`peterS, no, I'll check now`
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`08:15.17`	`dam_ned`	`any apache people awake? please check this e-mail: http://lists.backports.org/pipermail/backports/2005-April/001458.html`
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`08:15.50`	`iIzzyb`	`peterS, yeah, it's been reported.`
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`08:16.00`	`peterS`	`dam_ned: 'awake' is an odd term. in east Australia right now it is just after 6 pm`
`08:16.01`	`dam_ned`	`I posted it on the backports list because I want to compile modxslt on stable`
`08:16.15`	`dam_ned`	`:p`
`08:16.19`	`iIzzyb`	`back in october of 2002!`
`08:16.22`	`peterS`	`iIzzyb: something that serious in a package as popular as postfix - not surprising`
`08:16.55`	`sep`	`Solet: that's why we use kvm switches`
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`08:18.01`	`Ninjai`	`hey...`
`08:18.04`	`iIzzyb`	`and an easy fix to`
`08:18.15`	`Ninjai`	`how to configure the network from dhcp to static ?`
`08:18.37`	`sep`	`Ninjai: read man interfaces then edit the file /etc/network/interfaces acording to you needs`
`08:18.55`	`Ninjai`	`ok thanks`
`08:19.03`	`sep`	`Ninjai: then restart networking or reboot to activate`
`08:19.48`	`cat`	`bob2: u there?`
`08:19.55`	`Ninjai`	`reboot ! no thats for winblows not for linux`
`08:20.07`	`sc`	`anyone using mapping in /etc/network/interfaces? I need to verify one problem before reporting a bug`
`08:20.19`	`cat`	`where does the kernels hide there .config file`
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`08:20.29`	`sep`	`cat /boot`
`08:20.37`	`dam_ned`	`pfft, I now compiled the latest apache2 and modxslt still does not compile :(`
`08:20.40`	`sep`	`if you mean the kernel-images config`
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`08:21.45`	`iIzzyb`	`peterS, looks like the bug number is a mailto link. if I send a message to it does it get added to the bug report and sent on to the maintainer?`
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`08:21.59`	`peterS`	`iIzzyb: yep. nnnn@bugs.debian.org`
`08:22.14`	`peterS`	`iIzzyb: bug logs are just glorified mailboxes`
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`08:22.55`	`iIzzyb`	`something over 2 years old has probably been forgotten`
`08:23.09`	`jethro`	`mornin`
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`08:23.31`	`an`	`mua-ha-haaaaa`
`08:23.32`	`SlayerXP`	`!ops an is being a knob. please LART.`
`08:23.33`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: an is being a knob. please LART.`
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`08:24.31`	`redax`	`hi`
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`08:25.27`	`redax`	`please help me out, to make a kernel-image*deb which contains a third-party kernel module too.. (hpt374 raid driver from HPT)`
`08:25.53`	`cat`	`redax: http://anarka.org/linux/debian_kernel.html`
`08:26.01`	`redax`	`cat: thanks.`
`08:26.06`	`cat`	`np`
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`08:26.18`	`id_`	`aloha`
`08:26.28`	`cat`	`aloha id`
`08:26.43`	`aardvark`	`!fix cat`
`08:26.50`	`d3vic3`	`jm_, thanks`
`08:27.12`	`Hybrid_`	`!fix cat`
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`08:27.24`	`taddeus`	`morning`
`08:27.52`	`id_`	`can someone please tell me why the package "at" is removed when purge'in exim4 and the courier-mta is reinstalled when installing "at" ?`
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`08:28.23`	`drac`	`id_: you need at least one MTA.`
`08:28.44`	`taddeus`	`i would like to start tvtime application on my wm with --geometry options. I tried -g x,y+x+y but work only for size, not for window position, anyone know ?`
`08:29.42`	`id_`	`drac - i use a very minimal debian system inside a chrooted env. the apps i run inside do not need a mta setup - so i hope i will not get into trouble`
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`08:30.37`	`drac`	`id_: broken depencies.. and finally broken system.. install some dummy mta with local mail only.`
`08:30.50`	`id_`	`ok - thanx`
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`08:34.50`	`danikata`	`hi all`
`08:35.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 760] by debhelper`
`08:35.31`	`redax`	`cat: aaa. that anakra.org site wont talks about third party modules...`
`08:35.47`	`maxxle`	`hi! I need to know which librarys/files are required by the 'ls'-command. Is there a tool that helps me to figure out which files/libs are touched when 'ls' is run?`
`08:36.15`	`redax`	`maxxle: ldd`
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`08:36.31`	`saintiss`	`hi.. does anyone know about html2latex? that doesn't seem to be included in the apt repositories... any reason? gnuhtml2latex is, but is reportedly less in quality`
`08:37.59`	`sml`	`saintiss: html2latex should be very easy.. its the other way around that's difficult ;)`
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`08:38.12`	`maxxle`	`redax: thx - thats the thing i was looking for.`
`08:38.31`	`sml`	`i'd imagine most converters in that direction are of a similar quality and i'd imagine anything "gnu" to be of even higher quality :)`
`08:38.56`	`Hybrid_`	`!fix oakland_`
`08:39.05`	`saintiss`	`sml, concretely, gnuhtml2latex fails to include images in the latex doc`
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`08:39.57`	`redax`	`is there any handy way to include third-party kernel modules into the kernel-image*deb ?`
`08:40.08`	`trentbuck`	`What program is there to play speex files from the command line, like mpg321 for mp3s?`
`08:40.43`	`aardvark`	`!tell trentbuck about search`
`08:40.47`	`streuner`	`what extension?`
`08:41.08`	`liable`	`what do you guys think is the best spam filter`
`08:41.33`	`aardvark`	`liable: not using your email in newsgroups`
`08:41.41`	`liable`	`heh`
`08:41.43`	`redax`	`;-)`
`08:41.48`	`jm_`	`ldd`
`08:41.54`	`jethro`	`liable: openbsd's spamd(8) + spamassassin are kind of effective`
`08:42.06`	`aardvark`	`also, not having an email address with 3-7 characters.`
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`08:42.12`	`redax`	`spamassassin works fine here too...`
`08:42.18`	`liable`	`aardvark: why is that?`
`08:42.32`	`jmspeex`	`trentbuck: speexdec will do it. Otherwise ogg123 might, depending on how it was compiled.`
`08:42.43`	`aardvark`	`liable: because that's what they use with brute force attacks... they just try everything with 3-7 chars`
`08:43.23`	`redax`	hehe, and don't use email addrs like `joe@*' :)
`08:43.31`	`aardvark`	`joe would be 3 chars.`
`08:43.56`	`redax`	`I've plenty of tries for joe at <all_my_localdomains>`
`08:44.13`	`trentbuck`	`jmspeex: Oh thanks, silly me for not checking.`
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`08:44.33`	`jethro`	`I have a 5 letters email and don't even get 1 spam a week`
`08:45.03`	`imahcine`	`jethro, h439h@34h3.tk ? ;)`
`08:45.05`	`redax`	`I don't have an email address and I don't even get a spam :-)`
`08:45.06`	`jethro`	`no`
`08:45.08`	`jethro`	`jethro@`
`08:45.18`	`kneet`	`www.skandiabanken.no`
`08:45.51`	`jethro`	`kneet: and?`
`08:46.10`	`*** join/#debian LuCkYaN (~luckyan@195.85.194.54)`
`08:46.12`	`LuCkYaN`	`hi there`
`08:46.28`	`kneet`	`wrong window - sorry`
`08:46.38`	`kneet`	`Wondered why the browser hadn't gone anywhere`
`08:46.39`	`LuCkYaN`	`on packages on update on debian exist shoutcast or how is it .. for linux server radio ??`
`08:47.04`	`aardvark`	`!confuse LuCkYaN`
`08:47.05`	`dpkg`	`No, them is my gouda today, LuCkYaN? shirts of the republic of swaziland with extra cream`
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`08:47.23`	`LuCkYaN`	`don't undernstand`
`08:47.26`	`LuCkYaN`	`huh`
`08:47.30`	`imahcine`	`i do.`
`08:47.33`	`imahcine`	`kind of.`
`08:47.41`	`imahcine`	`but im me.`
`08:47.49`	`imahcine`	`and i guess im a natural in that case.`
`08:47.50`	`imahcine`	`;)`
`08:48.22`	`Ninjai`	`apt-get search`
`08:48.22`	`Ninjai`	`E: Invalid operation search`
`08:48.23`	`Ninjai`	`why ?`
`08:48.32`	`imahcine`	`Ninjai, foolish padawan.`
`08:48.35`	`imahcine`	`apt-cache search`
`08:48.37`	`petemc`	`Ninjai: man apt-get`
`08:48.39`	`hexxeh\|work`	`apt-cache search`
`08:48.40`	`aardvark`	`!tell Ninjai about search`
`08:48.40`	`petemc`	`man apt-cache`
`08:48.47`	`aardvark`	`LuCkYaN: apt-get install icecast-server`
`08:48.47`	`Ninjai`	`hoow hoow`
`08:48.51`	`Ninjai`	`relax`
`08:48.55`	`imahcine`	`yeah.`
`08:48.59`	`imahcine`	`the debian users attack.`
`08:49.01`	`imahcine`	`combine!`
`08:49.02`	`imahcine`	`power!`
`08:49.03`	`imahcine`	`;p`
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`08:49.11`	`sml`	`imahcine: dont flood.`
`08:49.14`	`jethro`	`resitance is futile`
`08:49.31`	`Ninjai`	`lol`
`08:49.47`	`danikata`	`why my webmin error, and the messages is "Error - Access denied for 192......"`
`08:49.51`	`dli`	`jethro, resistance ?`
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`08:50.03`	`aardvark`	`!tell danikata about webmin`
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`08:50.09`	`dli`	`danikata, is webmin secure`
`08:50.16`	`aardvark`	`HAHAHA`
`08:50.23`	`jethro`	`resistance sorry`
`08:51.24`	`dli`	`somebody adds a warning to webmin! please`
`08:51.43`	`dli`	`like typing, "Yes, do what I say!"`
`08:51.45`	`imahcine`	`noooo`
`08:51.49`	`imahcine`	`webmin is good`
`08:51.49`	`carnage`	`is configureing sound in sarge any different than in woody?`
`08:51.49`	`imahcine`	`;P`
`08:52.04`	`dli`	`imahcine, I think my boxes got rooted because of webmin`
`08:52.16`	`dli`	`imahcine, I never used it`
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`08:52.31`	`imahcine`	`dli, i think your boxes could be rooted because of linux ;) but hey. thats just me ;)`
`08:52.47`	`dli`	`imahcine, didn't mean to install it, but by mistake webmin installed for deps`
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`08:53.01`	`dli`	`imahcine, if it just warned me`
`08:53.04`	`imahcine`	`and also, well, pretty much because the administrator wasnt. how to put it nicely and politically correct. 'good enough'`
`08:53.05`	`imahcine`	`:)`
`08:53.14`	`jethro`	`does something usefull really depend on webmin?`
`08:53.22`	`jethro`	`I really doubt that`
`08:53.29`	`imahcine`	`indeed.`
`08:53.31`	`dli`	`imahcine, admin should use ssh`
`08:53.37`	`mark01`	`hey guys, i just installed linux26, and I can not connect to ssh2,`
`08:53.48`	`danikata`	`ok, that mean webmin isnt good enuff`
`08:53.48`	`danikata`	`is there any application that similar to webmin ?`
`08:53.49`	`imahcine`	`lol.`
`08:53.52`	`LuCkYaN`	`aakkonen, where i can get how to ?? i install server .. but how i work with him .. it's like shoutcast .. is a client and can connect from windows etc. or how ?`
`08:53.56`	`dli`	`mark01, do you have network? ifconfig`
`08:54.06`	`imahcine`	`hey i just installed window$ and i cant play sims.`
`08:54.08`	`mark01`	`yes, full network running`
`08:54.11`	`imahcine`	`:d`
`08:54.15`	`jethro`	`danikata: just use ssh`
`08:54.23`	`yoni`	`hello, woody install, chipset unknow, i need to find and install good driver (vga specialy)... How do i check what chipset i need (i forgot the terminal cmd)`
`08:54.36`	`maxxle`	`yoni: lspci -v?`
`08:54.37`	`sep`	`yoni: lspci ??`
`08:54.39`	`imahcine`	`danikata, yes, a custom cgi/perl script ;)`
`08:54.58`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 766] by debhelper`
`08:55.00`	`imahcine`	`if you really need something like that.`
`08:55.08`	`hexxeh\|work`	`yoni, lspci (which assumes the system knows what a piece of hardware is, which isn't certain considering woody)`
`08:55.13`	`imahcine`	`which i truly doubt anyway. whats wrong with vi and telnet ?`
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`08:55.51`	`imahcine`	`lol debian is funny.`
`08:55.56`	`imahcine`	`lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2005-03-30 00:57 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi*`
`08:55.57`	`danikata`	`:))`
`08:56.00`	`imahcine`	`lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2005-04-03 18:14 /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim*`
`08:56.02`	`imahcine`	`:)`
`08:56.08`	`jethro`	`imahcine: well, vi lacks an m, and telnet lacks encryption?`
`08:56.09`	`yoni`	`ok tks unknow device 2562`
`08:56.36`	`imahcine`	`jethro, i was generalising.`
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`08:56.52`	`imahcine`	`aparently that didnt work with you.`
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`08:57.10`	`imahcine`	`hey i dont get this.`
`08:57.12`	`jethro`	`there's something I don't like with telnet :)`
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`08:57.18`	`imahcine`	`http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xorg&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all`
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`08:57.25`	`imahcine`	`can someone look at taht?`
`08:57.29`	`imahcine`	`s/taht/that`
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`08:58.03`	`drac`	`nothing to look ..`
`08:58.16`	`hexxeh\|work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:58.18`	`rtn`	`What program can I use to convert several mp3 files to the format used by a "normal" CD?`
`08:58.19`	`drac`	`search was finished, without results.`
`08:58.35`	`imahcine`	`drac, uh. yea.`
`08:58.44`	`imahcine`	`No repositories.`
`08:58.44`	`imahcine`	`Matches:`
`08:58.44`	`imahcine`	`xorg-common 6.8.1-0.4 (all)`
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`08:58.53`	`imahcine`	`Solet, where can i obtain such match?`
`08:59.00`	`imahcine`	`grrrrrrr fucking xchat.`
`08:59.02`	`*** part/#debian LxUsar (~Evil@p50877DF0.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`08:59.31`	`drac`	`imahcine: /msg dpkg get xorg, and good luck..`
`08:59.32`	`zophyx`	`how do i clear /var/apt/cache of the old packages that have been replaced with newer versions ?`
`08:59.47`	`drac`	`zophyx: apt-get clean`
`08:59.50`	`imahcine`	`drac, yes, but that one shows a source build.`
`08:59.55`	`hexxeh\|work`	`yoni, i845G onboard graphics. you could try a backport of xfree86 4.3, but basically woody is too old for you`
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`09:00.00`	`imahcine`	`i dont want a source build; i want a .deb`
`09:00.10`	`drac`	`imahcine: no dice.`
`09:00.33`	`imahcine`	`drac, well. why does apt-get.org confuse me then with some package hits?`
`09:00.46`	`*** join/#debian olene (olene@aqua.olene.net)`
`09:00.48`	`imahcine`	`btw, seems hard to believe there is no unofficial xorg builds.`
`09:00.51`	`imahcine`	`its linux, damnit.`
`09:00.52`	`imahcine`	`;]`
`09:01.24`	`drac`	`imahcine: use ubuntu's xorg packages or compile it from source. in both case, this is not the channel to ask about it.`
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`09:01.44`	`olene`	`HEY! I know you're IN HERE.`
`09:01.46`	`imahcine`	`http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/01/ubuntus-xorg-on-debian-sid.html`
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`09:01.49`	`zophyx`	`how do i clear /var/cache/apt/archives of the old packages that have been replaced with newer versions ?`
`09:01.49`	`imahcine`	`w00t. this is it/`
`09:01.57`	`jm_`	`zophyx: man apt-get`
`09:02.00`	`imahcine`	`drac, yea, i have them now.`
`09:02.08`	`imahcine`	`drac, simple google does more than stupid dpkg :P`
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`09:02.11`	`Nenillo`	`hi`
`09:02.14`	`imahcine`	`dpkg, you fool! learn the ubuntu ways.`
`09:02.20`	`olene`	`I WANT MY VODKA!`
`09:02.21`	`imahcine`	`;)`
`09:02.27`	`hexxeh\|work`	`zophyx, apt-get autoclean`
`09:02.30`	`Nenillo`	`how can I configure exim to receive anyuser@mydomain.com ?`
`09:02.36`	`cat`	`anyone here uses mutt?`
`09:02.50`	`redax`	`cat: me...`
`09:02.50`	`imahcine`	`olene, thats terrible. is there anything else you wish to share with us, equally vital to the growth of debian?`
`09:02.55`	`imahcine`	`cat, /me`
`09:03.02`	`olene`	`huh?`
`09:03.05`	`zophyx`	`hexxeh\|work: tanks`
`09:03.05`	`olene`	`what?`
`09:03.06`	`cat`	`redax: look at this error /var/mail/Debian: No such file or directory (errno = 2)`
`09:03.08`	`olene`	`debian sucks.`
`09:03.09`	`cat`	`any ideas?`
`09:03.11`	`olene`	`go blow it out your ass.`
`09:03.19`	`olene`	`im here to get laid.`
`09:03.22`	`olene`	`my pussy is dripping.`
`09:03.23`	`imahcine`	`i see.`
`09:03.39`	`zophyx`	`is it dripping debian ?`
`09:03.54`	`zophyx`	`please stay on topic like i always do`
`09:03.55`	`hexxeh\|work`	`!ops olene seems to have lost his/her way`
`09:03.56`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: olene seems to have lost his/her way`
`09:03.58`	`redax`	`cat: aaa. does mutt drops this at startup? for which user?`
`09:04.05`	`petemc`	`cat: where is your mail being delivered to?`
`09:04.06`	`*** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ`
`09:04.08`	`*** part/#debian olene (olene@aqua.olene.net)`
`09:04.16`	`cat`	`redax: for user Debia`
`09:04.17`	`cat`	`n`
`09:04.22`	`redax`	`cat: and what's your $MAIL envvar?`
`09:04.28`	`redax`	`aha.`
`09:04.31`	`cat`	`hold up`
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`09:04.35`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@aqua.olene.net] by caphuso`
`09:04.36`	`*** part/#debian olene (olene@aqua.olene.net)`
`09:04.41`	`*** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso`
`09:04.45`	`cat`	`mail.* -/var/log/mail.log`
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`09:04.57`	`redax`	`then you don't have mbox for user Debian.`
`09:05.08`	`petemc`	`ermm`
`09:05.16`	`cat`	`so how can i put a mbox for Debian ?`
`09:05.26`	`redax`	`touch $MAIL ;-)`
`09:05.44`	`petemc`	`cat: how do you collect your mail?`
`09:05.45`	`redax`	`that's should be pretty empty though`
`09:05.52`	`cat`	`touch: file arguments missing`
`09:05.52`	`cat`	Try `touch --help' for more information.
`09:05.53`	`cat`	`(:`
`09:05.58`	`cat`	`petemc: fetchmail`
`09:06.04`	`redax`	`then touch /var/mail/Debian :)`
`09:06.16`	`yoni`	`... on woody i have an "intel corp: unknown device 2565" how or where do i get the needed drivers ?`
`09:06.16`	`petemc`	`...`
`09:06.21`	`redax`	`cat: do you use mbox or Maildir in your MTA configuration?`
`09:06.34`	`zophyx`	`autoclean freed up 1.736356 ghz of ramspace on my disk`
`09:06.45`	`redax`	`GHz? :)`
`09:06.47`	`redax`	`whoa`
`09:06.51`	`zophyx`	`heh`
`09:06.57`	`cat`	`redax: where is the MTA configuration?`
`09:07.08`	`imahcine`	`autoclean?`
`09:07.16`	`hexxeh\|work`	`ghz of ramspace?`
`09:07.17`	`redax`	`cat: which MTA do you use? like exim, postfix, smail, sendmail`
`09:07.18`	`zophyx`	`apt-get autoclean`
`09:07.19`	`redax`	`etc...`
`09:07.29`	`nksen`	`anyone knows how to enable symlink following in vsftp?`
`09:07.29`	`cat`	`sendmail`
`09:07.33`	`imahcine`	`zophyx, E: Nie uda�o si� odnale�� pakietu autoclean`
`09:07.34`	`hexxeh\|work`	`yoni, by not ignoring directhex`
`09:07.37`	`imahcine`	`ah. wait.`
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`09:07.49`	`cat`	`exim there we go`
`09:07.52`	`hexxeh\|work`	`yoni, now, if you didn't ignore directhex, you'd know you've already had your answer`
`09:08.02`	`imahcine`	`well yea. i cleaned my /var/cache/apt by hand so it didnt do too much :)`
`09:08.09`	`redax`	`cat: then it should use mbox... send a mail to Debian and sendmail should autocreate /var/mail/Debian...`
`09:08.14`	`redax`	`or touch /var/mail/Debian.`
`09:08.16`	`redax`	`that's it`
`09:08.22`	`hexxeh\|work`	`<hexxeh\|work> yoni, i845G onboard graphics. you could try a backport of xfree86 4.3, but basically woody is too old for you`
`09:08.34`	`cat`	`when i touch /var/mail/Debian it doesn't open the email when i do fetchmail and fetchmail is done,`
`09:08.38`	`cat`	`weird`
`09:08.51`	`yoni`	`hexxeh; i was sarge but TOO MANY problems never solved !`
`09:09.12`	`redax`	`cat: touch'd the /var/mail/Debian as user Debian? if not, check it's permissions`
`09:09.31`	`hexxeh\|work`	`yoni, well, good for you. woody does _NOT_ have a driver for your graphics`
`09:09.34`	`cat`	touch: cannot touch `/var/mail/Debian': Permission denied
`09:09.38`	`hexxeh\|work`	`!tell yoni about woody hardware support`
`09:09.52`	`hexxeh\|work`	`yoni, you could use the "vesa" driver if you like, though it'll be pretty damn slow`
`09:09.54`	`redax`	`cat: it should be owned by Debian.mail with perm 0660`
`09:10.00`	`yxa`	`can someone tell me what is "2.5.29.32.0" pertaining to certificates?`
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`09:10.05`	`cat`	`ok i add my self on user mail`
`09:10.16`	`cat`	`brb`
`09:10.18`	`cat`	`let me restart x`
`09:10.34`	`yoni`	`... this debian never-ending story realy SUCKS !... oh yes i'm upset`
`09:11.38`	`hexxeh\|work`	`yoni, what, you expect a version of a distribution over 3 years old to have support for hardware which didn't exist at that point?`
`09:12.08`	`SuperSox`	`Sarge works fine for me`
`09:12.18`	`hexxeh\|work`	`sarge works fine for most people`
`09:12.31`	`SuperSox`	`hexxeh\|work: I know, but yoni said he had problems with it`
`09:12.41`	`yoni`	`... hexxeh; i don't mean to be trivial... i installed sarge cause i needed a webserver with apache/php4/tikiwiki`
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`09:12.56`	`cat`	`ok i'm back`
`09:13.01`	`SuperSox`	`yoni: if you just need that, why are you woried about X stuff?`
`09:13.01`	`yoni`	`all worked BUT a page with weird error`
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`09:13.15`	`SuperSox`	`yoni: thats probably not the distributions fault...`
`09:13.21`	`cat`	`everything is good but fetchmail is working good but when i do mutt it doesn't appear the email i'm not sure if is mutt or fetchmai`
`09:13.22`	`hexxeh\|work`	`yoni, your web server needs xfree86 why exactly?`
`09:13.24`	`cat`	`l`
`09:13.34`	`TazorShell`	`anybody know a good guide to installing sendmail on debian ?`
`09:13.48`	`dli`	`TazorShell, I use exim4`
`09:13.52`	`cat`	`skipping message mrdebian@mail.comcast.net:1386 not flushed`
`09:13.52`	`cat`	`skipping message mrdebian@mail.comcast.net:1387 not flushed`
`09:13.53`	`redax`	`cat: check /var/mail/* files after running fetchmail..`
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`09:13.59`	`si\|vercat`	`how do I change to unicode in console?`
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`09:14.09`	`yoni`	`the machine don't need a lot... BUT I need something else than black/white prehistorical terminal`
`09:14.13`	`hexxeh\|work`	`si\|vercat, use a unicode locale, and type "unicode_start"`
`09:14.38`	`cat`	`redax: are you in flood?`
`09:14.38`	`TazorShell`	`dli: we are doing a school project involving sendmail..`
`09:14.42`	`SuperSox`	`yoni: generally speaking if its a web server, one would never plug a monitor into it.`
`09:14.43`	`dli`	`yoni: no, you can ssh login from other machine, no need to run X on a webserver`
`09:14.53`	`redax`	`flood? :)`
`09:14.54`	`redax`	`wait`
`09:14.56`	`dli`	`TazorShell, apt-get install sendmail`
`09:15.02`	`cat`	`see the query (:`
`09:15.11`	`SuperSox`	`hell, I don't even have a monitor for my webserver, or even a keyboard that will work with the system`
`09:15.20`	`si\|vercat`	`hexxeh\|work: where do i do this locale-changing? :P`
`09:15.23`	`SuperSox`	`god bless UltraSparcs and their non x86ness :)`
`09:15.23`	`dli`	`TazorShell, to make sure about a fressh install, dpkg --purge --force-all sendmail;apt-get install sendmail`
`09:15.39`	`dli`	`si\|vercat, dpkg-reconfigure locales`
`09:15.46`	`hexxeh\|work`	`SuperSox, there's nothing good about sparc`
`09:15.47`	`TazorShell`	`dli: hmm, i'll try that`
`09:16.00`	`SuperSox`	`hexxeh\|work: sure there is :)`
`09:16.10`	`dli`	`TazorShell, you answer questions apt asks, and very easy`
`09:16.16`	`hexxeh\|work`	`SuperSox, i admin sunfires running solaris. there's nothing good about sparc`
`09:16.19`	`redax`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:16.25`	`redax`	`grr`
`09:16.31`	`yoni`	`hexxeh; see the error i get here (http://rafb.net/paste/results/UAmgwD80.html)... after a week with apache guys, debian guys, php guys, tikiwiki guys, conclusion was "well Sarge is not stable so..." (note that on other servers i use (hosted no prob)`
`09:16.39`	`SuperSox`	`hexxeh\|work: I have a sun Ultra 1, its one of my favorite systems.`
`09:16.41`	`dli`	`which package contains /bin/su ?`
`09:16.42`	`debian`	`apt ask`
`09:16.43`	`apt`	`Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html`
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`09:17.14`	`TazorShell`	`dli: when i tried it the first time, it didnt ask me the questions.. i think something was wrong with the sendmail.mc file`
`09:17.30`	`dli`	`TazorShell, try the one with dpkg --purge`
`09:17.30`	`hexxeh\|work`	`yoni, so use woody. but woody does NOT have a driver for i845G other than the fallback VESA driver, and you shouldn't be running X on a web server`
`09:17.32`	`SuperSox`	`hexxeh\|work: I'm even considering getting a sun for desktop use with sol10`
`09:17.36`	`deadcat`	`dli: coreutils`
`09:17.42`	`hexxeh\|work`	`SuperSox, solaris 10 _REALLY_ sucks`
`09:17.44`	`dli`	`deadcat: thanks`
`09:17.50`	`streuner`	`dli: login`
`09:17.51`	`SuperSox`	`hexxeh\|work: not from what I've heard :)`
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`09:17.56`	`streuner`	`deadcat: on sid`
`09:17.57`	`TazorShell`	`dli: i'll try that :)`
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`09:18.02`	`TazorShell`	`dli: thanks :)`
`09:18.10`	`SuperSox`	`yoni: running X on a webserver can acctually decrease security considerably.`
`09:18.13`	`streuner`	`dpkg, find /bin/su`
`09:18.22`	`yoni`	`apt-get install suicide --force -nopain`
`09:18.34`	`danikata`	`i use comjmand : sudo ....... but i fail even i type root password, didnt i make mistake ?`
`09:18.42`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of '/bin/su' (10 of 26): (/usr/bin/suck) in news/suck ;; (/usr/bin/sulu) in utils/sulu ;; (/usr/bin/super) in admin/super ;; (/usr/bin/sumika) in x11/sumika ;; (/usr/bin/superd) in net/superd ;; (/usr/bin/sum) in base/coreutils ;; (/usr/bin/subtitles) in x11/xawtv ;; (/usr/bin/surface) in science/gmt ;; (/usr/bin/sumtitra) in misc/titrax ;; (/usr/bin/sumcrc) in mail/fidogate.`
`09:18.48`	`Shadur`	`danikata: Yeah. sudo requires your OWN password.`
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`09:18.54`	`streuner`	`yoni: your are very very (NOT CLEVER)`
`09:18.56`	`d3vic3`	`lol @ yoh_`
`09:18.58`	`dli`	`streuner, useless, apt-file search su returns too many`
`09:18.59`	`d3vic3`	`lol @ yoni`
`09:19.14`	`drac`	`lol?`
`09:19.21`	`streuner`	`dli: sid?`
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`09:19.37`	`si\|vercat`	`UTF-8, is that unicode? :P`
`09:19.45`	`dli`	`streuner, no, but don't just say I'm stupid, I'm cleaning up a zk rootkit`
`09:19.53`	`yoni`	`Streuner, clever ? Well i guess you could have said i don't know shit about linux... try to repair my bike, we'll whos not clever ! :)`
`09:19.58`	`d3vic3`	`drac, lol = Lough Out Loud`
`09:19.59`	`dli`	`si\|vercat, yes`
`09:19.59`	`streuner`	`dli: better reinstall now`
`09:20.08`	`drac`	`d3vic3: nah, it's loser online.`
`09:20.08`	`SuperSox`	`I could repair a bike`
`09:20.21`	`dli`	`streuner, no, it's cluster head, many users running jobs`
`09:20.33`	`d3vic3`	`drac, hehehe`
`09:20.36`	`dli`	`streuner, reboot will cause too much pain for many`
`09:20.37`	`SuperSox`	`the difference is, I wouldn't claim it was a crap bike if I couldn't fix it :)`
`09:20.38`	`somenick2`	`folks, I have a Dell box here with an onboard ATI Radeon. I cannot get X to start at all, it just won't work, and it is not spitting out anything that may help. and after trying 10 nicknames this is what I ended up with...`
`09:20.38`	`yoni`	`This i knew SuperSox, that's why i talk to Streuner ! lol`
`09:20.40`	`grigor1`	`I hav the following rule "$IPTABLES -A chain_name -s 193.140.181.0/24 -j DROP", this will work for the range, right?`
`09:21.14`	`streuner`	`yoni: you have anything debian-related to say?`
`09:21.25`	`dli`	`streuner, I have put it back online for two days, nothing suspicious up to now`
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`09:22.14`	`somenick2`	`anyone? I tried fbdev and vesa drivers, both won't work.`
`09:22.33`	`streuner`	`somenick2: what videocard do you use?`
`09:22.35`	`dli`	`grigor1, yes, blocks anything from 193.140.181.`
`09:22.42`	`yoni`	`streuner; LOL ! You start shitting on me my dear. Don't start what you can't handle... Enought with this crap, i go for reinstall SARGE... cu later.`
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`09:23.37`	`somenick2`	`streuner: onboard ATI on a Dell Optiplex box`
`09:23.58`	`grigor1`	`dli: great! thanks`
`09:24.06`	`somenick2`	`streuner: ATI Radeon according to the X11 log when I start X.`
`09:24.18`	`streuner`	`somenick2: tell us the output of 'lspci -v \| grep VGA'`
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`09:24.58`	`somenick2`	`streuner: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b60 (prog-if 00 [VGA])`
`09:25.24`	`somenick2`	`streuner: in addition to that I have this: 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b70`
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`09:25.47`	`somenick2`	`it can do two monitors, I take it`
`09:26.42`	`mark01`	`dli, anything i can check to get this ssh2 working?`
`09:26.47`	`buu`	`I was trying to use mplayer on a file and I got this error: Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Invalid argument`
`09:26.56`	`buu`	`Anyone have an idea?`
`09:27.05`	`dawg`	`buu, just do what it says`
`09:27.39`	`streuner`	`somenick2: did you try 'usenet' or/and google?`
`09:27.58`	`streuner`	`buu: try xine`
`09:28.04`	`sml`	`buu: echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq`
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`09:28.08`	`sml`	`buu: ;)`
`09:28.09`	`somenick2`	`streuner: yep. google showed two or three folks having a related problem.`
`09:28.20`	`somenick2`	`streuner: it won't start, and spits also a xkbcomp error`
`09:28.23`	`streuner`	`somenick2: and usenet?`
`09:28.27`	`buu`	`sml: Oh. I tried that, but most of the directories idnd't exist so I thought I would ask around`
`09:28.31`	`somenick2`	`streuner: no solution to that at all on the forums`
`09:28.43`	`streuner`	`somenick2: you have free slot?`
`09:28.49`	`maxxle`	`Anybody a clue when the linux-kernel builds up the /proc filesystem when booting?`
`09:29.06`	`sml`	`buu: do you have /proc support in your kernel ?`
`09:29.17`	`somenick2`	`streuner: what do you mean? PCI?`
`09:29.20`	`streuner`	`somenick2: what does ATI say about?`
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`09:29.24`	`dawg`	`buu, /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq didn't exist? do you have rtc in the kernel/loaded as a module?`
`09:29.24`	`buu`	`sml: It's a stock kernel =/`
`09:29.31`	`streuner`	`somenick2: AGP or PCI, whatever`
`09:29.43`	`buu`	`dawg: I have no idea, how could I tell?`
`09:30.05`	`dli`	`dawg, do you need to change the rtc source file? in order to get 1024?`
`09:30.09`	`Pandat`	`Hi, How do u configure Xvnc to work, i have installed it, wana access my desktop from remote?`
`09:30.09`	`sml`	`buu: look in the .config`
`09:30.16`	`somenick2`	`streuner: did not check the box itself. and is ATI giving Linux clues on their website? If the vesa driver is not working, what will work?`
`09:30.28`	`somenick2`	`streuner: as in: i did not open it.`
`09:30.39`	`dawg`	`dli, no, just the line that mplayer tells you (the one sml pasted)`
`09:30.44`	`streuner`	`somenick2: well, if VESA won't work you are prolly out of luck...`
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`09:31.00`	`buu`	`sml: /boot/config-2.6.8-2-k7 ?`
`09:31.01`	`streuner`	`somenick2: ATI folks support linux as well...`
`09:31.08`	`dawg`	`buu, it'll still work fine without rtc anyway`
`09:31.21`	`sml`	`buu: /boot/config-$(uname-r)`
`09:31.27`	`sml`	`buu: /boot/config-$(uname -r)`
`09:31.48`	`buu`	`dawg: I tried to create the directory manuaklly, but it keeps saying "error, no such file or directory"`
`09:31.52`	`dawg`	`buu, i'm not sure if the default kernels compile it in, or have a module, try a; modprobe rtc`
`09:31.59`	`dawg`	`buu, you can't just change /proc ;)`
`09:32.01`	`buu`	`sml: Right. "CONFIG_RTC=m" ?`
`09:32.17`	`sml`	`buu: that means RTC is modular, what about proc support`
`09:32.19`	`buu`	`dawg: "error inserting rtc (no such device)"`
`09:32.26`	`dli`	`streuner, I'm running nvidia now, don't like it, too much trouble in setting up`
`09:32.55`	`buu`	`rtc.ko exists though`
`09:33.15`	`streuner`	`dli: he don't need an expensive videocard to run linux, only used to play games ;-)`
`09:33.21`	`streuner`	`dli: if he*`
`09:33.32`	`flashdrvnk`	`Hehe.`
`09:33.47`	`flashdrvnk`	`I have 13k FPS @ glxgears`
`09:33.47`	`flashdrvnk`	`_>`
`09:33.51`	`buu`	`sml: Er, what is the pricise config line?`
`09:34.08`	`buu`	`sml: config_proc_fs=y?`
`09:34.19`	`dawg`	`buu, does /dev/rtc exist?`
`09:34.33`	`nksen`	`I print from commandline with 'cat foo.txt > /dev/lp0' on a parallel printer. but how do I do it if I have a network printer?`
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`09:34.39`	`sml`	`buu: yes`
`09:34.41`	`buu`	`dawg: Yep`
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`09:35.43`	`debboy`	`hi. can someone please help me figure out an exim4 problem? I'm trying to install mailman, its not as easy as i thought.`
`09:35.59`	`wrs`	`Hi`
`09:36.17`	`buu`	`dawg: So it seems to be modular, but I can't load it, but I have dev/rtc`
`09:36.19`	`streuner`	`debboy: only an installation problem? just ask.`
`09:36.33`	`dli`	`debboy, dpkg --purge first`
`09:36.42`	`jethro`	`!find mailstats`
`09:36.48`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'mailstats' (4): (/usr/share/sendmail/mailstats) in mail/sendmail-base ;; (/usr/sbin/mailstats, /usr/lib/sm.bin/mailstats) in mail/sendmail-bin ;; (/usr/share/munin/plugins/{courier_mta_mailstats\|exim_mailstats\|postfix_mailstats\|...}) in net/munin-node ;; (/usr/share/doc/mrtg/examples/mrtg-mail/{mailstats\|mailstats-alternate\|mailstats-horowitz\|...}) in net/mrtg-contrib.`
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`09:36.59`	`debboy`	`well, i apt-get installed exim4-config and mailman, and i added routers and transports as i read online, and now i just get mail-errors...`
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`09:37.06`	`debboy`	`such as`
`09:37.11`	`dli`	`debboy, dpkg --purge ;apt-get install`
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`09:37.25`	`dli`	`debboy, you answer the question from deb`
`09:37.38`	`dawg`	`buu, do you have genrtc loaded? http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2005-January/010859.html`
`09:37.54`	`debboy`	`exim4 -bt maillist@myhost.com`
`09:38.00`	`debboy`	`i get Unrouteable address`
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`09:38.13`	`debboy`	`dli what question from deb? ... --purge is still churning`
`09:38.43`	`debboy`	`dli what are you talking about, i'm not uninstalling anything. its all working ok, except i get bounced emails to the mailing list addresses.`
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`09:39.29`	`debboy`	`nothing is customised so far except i added the new transport and router files. i assume i'm not supposed to do anything else?`
`09:39.32`	`buu`	`dawg: Well, apparently I did. I ran it, now I can modprobe rtc.`
`09:39.39`	`joey_`	`debboy, for my mailman i had to add "pipe_transport = address_pipe" to "system_aliases" in the config`
`09:39.43`	`debboy`	`how do i debug exim like that`
`09:39.56`	`joey_`	`then mailman would receive the \|'ed addresses in /etc/aliases ok`
`09:40.08`	`danikata`	`i tried to use konqueror to browse my windows network and file sharing, but it couldn't show anything ( i was activated samba )`
`09:40.11`	`petemc`	`debboy: exim -d -v -bt some@address`
`09:40.17`	`joey_`	`tail -f /var/log/exim4/*.log`
`09:40.21`	`debboy`	`joey_, you using split or single? oh, no if you read the docs, apparently you dont need to use /etc/aliases anymore`
`09:41.01`	`dawg`	`buu, heh, i've never encountered genrtc before, but glad it's solved`
`09:41.11`	`buu`	`dawg: er, I modprobed rtc, I got /proc/something/rtc, I modified it`
`09:41.14`	`joey_`	`debboy, maybe you don't; I haven't really tested mine :p`
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`09:41.17`	`buu`	`dawg: But now I just get "seek failed"`
`09:41.37`	`debboy`	`am i supposed to register a router file somewhere (in split-config mode) ? it doesn't seem to be even checking my router file.`
`09:41.48`	`dawg`	`buu, you did 'echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq' or something else?`
`09:41.54`	`buu`	`dawg: I echoed 1024`
`09:42.07`	`petemc`	`debboy: you need to read up on how it works before you start complaining`
`09:42.09`	`debboy`	`(i checked via petemc 's command)`
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`09:42.40`	`dawg`	`buu, what says seek failed? if it's issues seeking an avi in mplayer maybe the avi is broken and you need to supply -idx?`
`09:42.43`	`debboy`	`petemc, i'm not a newbie. i read the readmes, i read the posts online. why does it have to be so f**king cryptic to install?`
`09:43.05`	`buu`	`dawg: I'm not deliberately trying to seek, mplayer is saying seek failed as soon as I start it`
`09:43.13`	`petemc`	`debboy: its not, if you want a simple, one file config, put that file at /etc/exim4/exim4.conf`
`09:43.16`	`buu`	`Playing foo.avi`
`09:43.17`	`rhalff`	`hi anyone using a php debugger and debian apache ? I have the feeling I must run apache without thread safety, is this right ?`
`09:43.17`	`buu`	`Seek Failed.`
`09:43.28`	`debboy`	`petemc, i assume that it just reads the files like rc.d files... but yet its not picking up the file? i dunno`
`09:43.35`	`rhalff`	`and how to run it without thread safety ?`
`09:43.39`	`petemc`	`its documented`
`09:43.42`	`buu`	`dawg: -idx doesn't seem to make a difference`
`09:43.55`	`dravey_`	`isn't rubygems included with the debian ruby packages?`
`09:44.01`	`debboy`	`petemc, you dont know how to handle split-files ? does everyone use single-file configs here?`
`09:44.27`	`dawg`	`buu, with all files?`
`09:44.34`	`petemc`	`debboy: anyone who needs a level of customisation that using debconf doesnt provide will more than likely use one large config file`
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`09:44.50`	`dawg`	`buu, and was this the case before rtc was loaded?`
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`09:45.18`	`buu`	`dawg: Er, no, just with this file.`
`09:45.31`	`buu`	`dawg: Before rtc was loaded I got the "echo bit", now I just get seek failed.`
`09:45.36`	`buu`	`An dit's only this fgile`
`09:45.53`	`sml`	`rhalff: have you read the php docs over at apache.org ?`
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`09:47.00`	`rhalff`	`sml, nope`
`09:47.01`	`abrocadabro`	`is there a setting in proftpd.conf that allows symbol links ?`
`09:47.15`	`dawg`	`buu, looks like the files just bad, might want to play with the various options for mplayer and avi files; -idx -ni and such`
`09:47.22`	`jethro`	`abrocadabro: check the docs`
`09:47.49`	`wrs`	`Hi everybody. My mouse doesn't work anymore since i updated my Sarge packages a few days before.`
`09:47.57`	`jethro`	`!doesn't work`
`09:47.57`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.`
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`09:48.14`	`rhalff`	`sml, you mean the php manual, or are there docs about php on the apache site ?`
`09:48.44`	`wrs`	`dpkg: is that a joke?`
`09:48.53`	`wrs`	`jethro: what else should i name it?`
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`09:49.21`	`joey_`	`!dpkg`
`09:49.23`	`dpkg`	`i heard dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack`
`09:49.27`	`jethro`	`wrs: define "doesn't work'"`
`09:49.44`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: is your USB mouse?`
`09:49.52`	`wrs`	`it is a ps/2 mouse`
`09:50.20`	`jethro`	`wrs: do you use it in console with gdm? do you only use it in X ?`
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`09:50.22`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: make sure you have the correct modules loaded first`
`09:50.38`	`jethro`	`wrs: one need details to try and help you`
`09:50.41`	`wrs`	`jethro: the X server doesn't see it anymore, but as far as i remember i didn't touch the xf86config*`
`09:50.53`	`wrs`	`jethro: i use it under X only`
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`09:51.01`	`Livingroom`	`Greetings #debian`
`09:51.01`	`Livingroom`	`how can i make a symlink to my htdocs directory that will be placed in a /user/home/(user) and allow said user to edit/change any files above the symlinked directory?`
`09:51.04`	`jethro`	`wrs: did you look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log for (EE) messages ?`
`09:51.18`	`jethro`	`wrs: or warnings as well`
`09:51.24`	`buu`	`dawg: Wow I'm stupid. I was trying to mplayer a freaking directory`
`09:51.44`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: I didn't change the mouse in between. I used it as the day before but when i startet the pc in the morning it just didn't show any reaction on my moving attempts`
`09:51.46`	`Livingroom`	`buu: hah, dont feel bad :)`
`09:52.04`	`wrs`	`jethro: No, i didn't look for the XFree-logs`
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`09:52.09`	`sml`	`rhalff: over on php.net it tells you how to setup php properly, on apache.org it tells you considerations when using php.`
`09:52.18`	`jethro`	`wrs: well that's a good thing to start with :)`
`09:52.35`	`taddeus`	`is there a command to move a window at x,y position ? (--geometry doesn't work)`
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`09:52.40`	`wrs`	`jethro: okay, then... wait a moment...`
`09:53.43`	`wrs`	`jethro: Hm, there's a warning: "PS/2 mouse: cannot open device 7dev/psaux`
`09:53.47`	`a`	`any one try to install 915g driver-from inter- on sarge???`
`09:53.49`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: or you can try to "cat /dev/input/blabla" , blabla is your mouse`
`09:53.49`	`sml`	`Livingroom: chmod the directory and put everyone in a www group. permissions on a symlink have no meaning.`
`09:53.59`	`Livingroom`	`sml: ok.`
`09:54.06`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: I think you didn't have the module loaded`
`09:54.08`	`Livingroom`	`sml: what do i chmod it to?`
`09:54.17`	`Livingroom`	`sml: isnt it a 3 number sequence?`
`09:54.37`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: try to load psmouse module`
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`09:55.14`	`nksen`	`anyone knows ressources to the display of texts in linux and windows format?`
`09:55.20`	`Livingroom`	`when - ls -l, i see this : "drwxrwxr-x 47 webadmin webadmin 1536 Apr 7 09:11 htdocs" does that mean if i add the user to the webadmin group i'm good to go?`
`09:55.23`	`nksen`	`s/display/presentation`
`09:55.26`	`jethro`	`wrs: is that really 7dev/psaux ?`
`09:55.32`	`Arafangion`	`nksen, Pardon?`
`09:55.39`	`jethro`	`wrs: or you typo'ed and meant /dev/psaux`
`09:55.44`	`sml`	`Livingroom: well you probably want it rwxrwx--- which is 770`
`09:55.48`	`wrs`	`jethro: it was a typo`
`09:55.51`	`jethro`	`ok`
`09:56.05`	`nksen`	`Arafangion: well. I wanna read more about the presentation of text-formats in linux and windows. say you create a textfile in windows and open it under linux, you get a '^M' e.g. at each line end`
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`09:56.15`	`sml`	`Livingroom: but it of course depends on what you want access you want the users to have and what access you want programs to have to that directory.`
`09:56.26`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: any one liner command to get the module loaded? Normally i use modconf ... that would take a while...`
`09:56.29`	`jethro`	`wrs: cat /dev/psaux and move the mouse, you should see stuff appear on the screen`
`09:56.33`	`sml`	`Livingroom: for instance apache will run as a user and will need to access those files too :)`
`09:56.38`	`Livingroom`	`sml: ah, ok`
`09:56.45`	`abrocadabro`	`modprobe psmouse`
`09:56.45`	`Livingroom`	`sml: excellent. thanks`
`09:56.57`	`Arafangion`	`nksen, Unix is simple.`
`09:56.57`	`jethro`	`wrs: modprobe psmouse`
`09:57.03`	`Arafangion`	`nksen, Just have a newline char \n at the end.`
`09:57.12`	`a`	`or , any idea of how to install driver for 915g chipset???`
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`09:57.14`	`nksen`	`Arafangion: and why is this ^M displayed?`
`09:57.20`	`sml`	`Livingroom: if you want apache to access them you could always set them rwxrwxr-- 774 ;)`
`09:57.20`	`nksen`	`Arafangion: because windows adds it?`
`09:57.39`	`Livingroom`	`sml: Heh, well ok`
`09:57.39`	`wrs`	`jethro: ouch -- there isn't any /dev/psaux ...says cat, but there is one`
`09:57.44`	`Arafangion`	`nksen, It's how windows does it. The mac does it another way.`
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`09:57.53`	`Livingroom`	`sml: i think the permissions are good now, but i'm not clear on how to allow user alamochr to write to it and nobody else.`
`09:57.56`	`jethro`	`wrs: did you modprobe psmouse already?`
`09:57.59`	`nksen`	`Arafangion: it's how windows does WHAT?`
`09:57.59`	`Livingroom`	`nobody else except root of course`
`09:58.00`	`wrs`	`jethro: i did the modprobe psmouse`
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`09:58.36`	`wrs`	`jethro: cat still says no matching device found (translated from German, by hand)`
`09:59.21`	`dli`	`wrs: try /dev/input/mice`
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`09:59.46`	`Arafangion`	`nksen, It's how it designates line endings.`
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`09:59.53`	`wrs`	`crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 1 2005-03-24 03:30 psaux`
`09:59.55`	`wrs`	`jethro: a ls /dev/ \| grep ps returns this:`
`09:59.58`	`dli`	`wrs: I once installed debian with german keymap, took me a while to cool myself down`
`09:59.58`	`Arafangion`	`nksen, I believe it was because of the days of line printers.`
`10:00.03`	`elarifr`	`hello all. i search some newbie info for webmin/virtualmin package`
`10:00.19`	`Arafangion`	`nksen, NOtice how on unix, text files sometimes give a "staircase effect" if sent to the printer raw?`
`10:00.36`	`dli`	`elarifr, n00b? send webmin to /dev/null`
`10:01.07`	`wrs`	`dli: same result: cat can'f find a matching device under /dev/input/mice although it's there`
`10:01.18`	`sml`	`what is the easiest way of finding out what is eating up all my ram ? i have 2GB of ram yet im swapping.`
`10:01.51`	`elarifr`	`dli; i need to host 4 domains at home. what's the best way to host separate domain with mail for each domain ?`
`10:02.15`	`nksen`	`Arafangion: i recognize it sometimes, when I copy/paste text`
`10:02.25`	`a`	`where i can locate the kernel config file ??`
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`10:02.36`	`dli`	`wrs: custom kernel?`
`10:02.58`	`sloopy`	`Arafangion: hmmm cr/lf stuff i havnt seen in years... :')`
`10:03.04`	`wrs`	`dli: no, kernel from debian. shall i look up its number?`
`10:03.16`	`a`	`no , the kernel come with sarge itself`
`10:03.19`	`wrs`	`dli: it's a 2.6.8-k7`
`10:03.37`	`wrs`	`dli: (and it worked till tuesday)`
`10:03.40`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: lsmod\|grep psmouse`
`10:03.44`	`chealer`	`I have a bash process that went in the background, its parent is init and it's not on a tty neither on any term. can I "attach" to that shell?`
`10:03.45`	`dli`	`wrs: dmesg\|grep -i mouse`
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`10:03.56`	`dli`	`wrs: or dmesg\|grep mice`
`10:03.56`	`Livingroom`	`how do i delete a symlink?`
`10:03.56`	`sml`	`Livingroom: if you want user alamochr to write to it and nobody else 700`
`10:04.01`	`sml`	`Livingroom: rm`
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`10:04.12`	`dli`	`Livingroom, rm the link`
`10:04.16`	`Livingroom`	`oh duh`
`10:04.19`	`Livingroom`	`yes, i see now`
`10:04.32`	`danikata`	`can i browse windows network with konqueror, mine show nothing (even samba has been installed)`
`10:04.37`	`wrs`	`dli: lsmod... -> psmouse 20232 0`
`10:04.55`	`dli`	`wrs: that's in dmesg ?`
`10:05.02`	`wrs`	`dli: dmesg... -> no message about the mouse`
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`10:05.10`	`dli`	`wrs: that's why?`
`10:05.19`	`Livingroom`	`when i try to write a file with those permissions i get permission denied`
`10:05.19`	`dli`	`wrs: do you have a mouse at all ?`
`10:05.26`	`sml`	`Mem: 2207420k total, 2031892k used, how do i find out what programs are taking all that RAM ?`
`10:05.36`	`sml`	`or is linux just taking all of it ?`
`10:05.44`	`wrs`	`dli: Of curse i have i mouse. I checked it with a knoppix a minute before i restarted Sarge`
`10:05.46`	`dli`	`sml top`
`10:06.15`	`bob2`	`sml: "free -m", the 3rd line is the important one`
`10:06.21`	`sml`	`dli: i've used top but top doesn't show me what program are eating the RAM unless there's a command to sort my MEM usage ?`
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`10:06.28`	`sml`	`bob2: ok.. thanks.. i'll take a look`
`10:06.28`	`bob2`	`sml: linux will use all ram not used by apps for disk cache. if they need it, they get it.`
`10:06.34`	`dli`	`wrs: if it's a simple ps2 mouse, I would try another kernel`
`10:06.37`	`sml`	`bob2: ok cool ta.`
`10:06.47`	`wrs`	`dli: but i didn`
`10:06.48`	`bob2`	`sml: hit Fn in top to sort my memory use`
`10:06.54`	`wrs`	`'tr change the kernel in between`
`10:06.57`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: could you tell us the relevent section in you XFreeConfig?`
`10:07.05`	`bob2`	`sml: but "memory use" is an interesting thing to define...`
`10:07.08`	`sml`	`bob2: its just i also have this: Swap: 244776k total, 105992k used, and that worries me coz with 2GB of ram i shouldn't be swapping!`
`10:07.25`	`bob2`	`sml: the kernel almost always knows best`
`10:07.25`	`sml`	`bob2: well im just worried about performance being sluggish and i suspect its because the box is swapping.`
`10:07.34`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: sry, XF86config-4`
`10:07.35`	`bob2`	`sml: then disable swap and see if it helps`
`10:07.39`	`Dymion`	`help`
`10:07.43`	`sml`	`bob2: good idea.`
`10:07.46`	`jost`	`my fetchmail is running too frequent, not good configured, how can I determine what triggers fetchmail?`
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`10:08.38`	`cat`	`damn my mutt is not working -(`
`10:08.50`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: that will take a while since i cannot copy it as easy as with a middle click ... stay tuned. ;-)`
`10:09.03`	`Dymion`	`witam mam pytanie gdzeie moge znalezc jakies informacje na temat konfiguracji karty dzwiekowej yamaha`
`10:09.11`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: you are right :)`
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`10:09.23`	`bob2`	`Dymion: this is pretty obviously an English-speaking channel`
`10:09.36`	`Dymion`	`ok`
`10:09.43`	`bob2`	`!+polish`
`10:09.43`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, polish is spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl`
`10:10.04`	`debboy`	`any ideas why when i reinstall exim4 to NOT use split files, why there is no /etc/exim4/exim.conf file??`
`10:10.17`	`jost`	`cat: i use mutt maybe i can help you if you provide my with more info`
`10:10.19`	`sml`	`bob2: hey i did a swapoff but top still show's there being swap space. how come ?`
`10:10.24`	`Dymion`	thank`s :-)
`10:10.40`	`bob2`	`sml: did they actually get swapped off?`
`10:10.47`	`cat`	`jsot my fetchmail works good but when i do mutt i don't see my emails at all`
`10:10.51`	`bob2`	`sml: you need to run it once for each swap partition/file`
`10:10.59`	`sml`	`bob2: strangely i had to run swapoff TWICE`
`10:11.02`	`RichiH`	`hey bob2 - ltns`
`10:11.07`	`bob2`	`cat: configure it to look where fetchmail put your mail`
`10:11.10`	`bob2`	`RichiH: aloha`
`10:11.16`	`RichiH`	`bob2: how's life?`
`10:11.17`	`bob2`	`RichiH: yeah, swamped at work...how've you been?`
`10:11.25`	`jost`	`cat: which mta, exim?, do you use?`
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`10:11.29`	`cat`	`exim yeah`
`10:11.38`	`cat`	`but i get this error when i try installing some other stuff`
`10:11.39`	`cat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:11.40`	`Rawplayer`	`lo`
`10:11.40`	`cat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:11.41`	`cat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:11.49`	`RichiH`	`bob2: last week of 'holidays'.. but somehow, i have more stress in the holidays than during the semester every time.. :p`
`10:11.57`	`bob2`	`RichiH: hehehe`
`10:12.09`	`bob2`	`RichiH: get up to anything exciting?`
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`10:12.54`	`jost`	`cat: did you try to reinstall exim?`
`10:12.58`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: shall i paste it here or how can i show it to you all?`
`10:13.00`	`cat`	`yes i did,`
`10:13.11`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: paste it to flood`
`10:13.19`	`wrs`	`join /flood`
`10:13.22`	`wrs`	`sorry`
`10:13.31`	`bob2`	`cat: mutt -f ~/Maildir/`
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`10:13.41`	`cat`	`getma/home/Debian/Maildir/: No such file or directory (errno = 2)`
`10:13.41`	`RichiH`	`bob2: i am writing a tool withexpect and perl to automagically configure a router lab according to rules saved in a pgsql, but else..`
`10:13.43`	`cat`	`/home/Debian/Maildir/: No such file or directory (errno = 2)`
`10:13.59`	`jost`	`cat: have you tried it with dselect?`
`10:14.24`	`RichiH`	`bascically, it's where rancid leaves off. rancid has the advantage of being totally linear where i have lotsa cases etc`
`10:14.28`	`bob2`	`cat: then find out where fethcmail is putting your mail. or is passing it to exim?`
`10:14.37`	`cat`	`i think so bob2`
`10:14.37`	`RichiH`	`otoh, i don't need to support legacy ciscos etc :)`
`10:14.54`	`bob2`	`cat: then look at exim's log to find out where it's going`
`10:14.59`	`bob2`	`cat: /var/log/exim or so`
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`10:15.23`	`notty`	`hi, i want to run wmaker on display 2.... when i type X :2 i get a second display that is blank and has a mouse pointer... how can i make it so it starts wmaker ?`
`10:15.27`	`debboy`	`how can i tell what config files exim4 is reading?`
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`10:15.45`	`bob2`	`notty: startx /usr/bin/wmaker -- :2`
`10:16.06`	`bob2`	`(instead of X :2)`
`10:16.08`	`cat`	`2005-04-07 17:30:00 Failed to open configuration file /etc/exim/exim.conf`
`10:16.47`	`notty`	`bob2: and how can i make it to read other X config that the one in /etc/X11 ?`
`10:16.56`	`bob2`	`notty: no idea`
`10:17.14`	`notty`	`with X i can give X:2 -config /file`
`10:17.21`	`notty`	`but no ideea about wmaker starting`
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`10:17.40`	`bob2`	`that's trivial`
`10:17.46`	`bob2`	`same way you start any other X program`
`10:18.11`	`bob2`	`but I'm pretty sure 'startx /usr/bin/wmaker -- -config /etc/blah :2' will work`
`10:18.45`	`notty`	`ok, i will try it now`
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`10:20.00`	`Livingroom`	`how do i chmod a directory _and_ all it's contents (files and directories) is it chmod -rf?`
`10:20.11`	`RichiH`	`bob2: so, after i amazed you with my life, what are you up to?`
`10:20.45`	`elarifr`	`who can give me some info about webmin-virtual-server ?`
`10:21.04`	`bob2`	`Livingroom: -R`
`10:21.21`	`bob2`	`RichiH: heh, just working at work and neglecting everything else, sadly`
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`10:21.42`	`Livingroom`	`this is what i get bob2`
`10:21.42`	`Livingroom`	`# chmod -R htdocs 770`
`10:21.42`	`Livingroom`	`chmod: invalid file mode: htdocs`
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`10:21.54`	`RichiH`	`bob2: heh, yay for you`
`10:21.59`	`bob2`	`Livingroom: yes, you didn't read the help or manpage`
`10:22.07`	`notty`	`Livingroom: chmod -R 770 htdocs`
`10:22.13`	`bob2`	`Livingroom: chmod -R 770 htdocs`
`10:22.16`	`Livingroom`	`oh. heh.`
`10:22.29`	`Livingroom`	`coincidentally i was reading the manpage when you said that`
`10:22.36`	`goedel`	`can someone give me a link to an installation description for oracle 9i under debian sarge? are there problems?`
`10:22.42`	`bob2`	`heh. just remember most every unix command wants some number of paths as the last arguments`
`10:22.52`	`Livingroom`	`it's late, 5:22am, and i've been up since ~9:30am yesterday`
`10:22.54`	`SlayerXP`	`Livingroom: you ask for help on IRC and _then read the man page_ ?`
`10:23.00`	`bob2`	`RichiH: totally need to actually quit a few things instead of just being slack`
`10:23.04`	`bob2`	`Livingroom: sleeptime.`
`10:23.07`	`Livingroom`	`slayer: yeah, i know`
`10:23.08`	`SlayerXP`	`Livingroom: do you put your trousers on and _then_ your underpants?`
`10:23.14`	`Livingroom`	`slayer: lol.`
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`10:23.59`	`cat`	`!win`
`10:23.59`	`dpkg`	`i guess win is lose.`
`10:24.08`	`aardvark`	`!pants`
`10:24.08`	`dpkg`	`No, i am not wearing pants!`
`10:24.09`	`cat`	`!queen me`
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`10:24.21`	`Livingroom`	`dpkg how large is your database of stuff?`
`10:24.22`	`dpkg`	`Livingroom: what are you talking about?`
`10:24.33`	`Guerin`	`Livingroom: larger than you know`
`10:24.41`	`bob2`	`dpkg: status`
`10:24.41`	`dpkg`	`Since Mon Apr 4 05:27:57 2005, there have been 27 modifications, 1591 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 578 commands. I have been awake for 3d 4h 56m 45s this session, and currently reference 25333 factoids. I'm using about 15268 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 663.59/31.26 child 633.3/56.46`
`10:24.45`	`Livingroom`	`Hurrah`
`10:24.49`	`bob2`	`25333 items`
`10:24.56`	`Livingroom`	`oh my god`
`10:24.58`	`Guerin`	`plus builtins`
`10:24.59`	`Livingroom`	`that's alot`
`10:25.03`	`bob2`	`25300 of which are about penix or porn`
`10:25.04`	`Guerin`	`!alot`
`10:25.04`	`dpkg`	`methinks alot is raping the English language`
`10:25.09`	`Livingroom`	`penix?`
`10:25.09`	`jethro`	`0 morons?`
`10:25.14`	`jethro`	`dpkg: you must be blind`
`10:25.16`	`Guerin`	`jethro: he lies`
`10:25.22`	`jethro`	`heh`
`10:25.24`	`jethro`	`hello Guerin`
`10:25.34`	`Guerin`	`jethro: g'day`
`10:25.35`	`cat`	`!pork`
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`10:25.43`	`Livingroom`	`anyway hurray, i can write files now`
`10:25.49`	`Livingroom`	`ph3ar for i am l33t`
`10:26.02`	`cat`	`dpkg: pork is an aim client with full text`
`10:26.11`	`jethro`	`!moron Livingroom`
`10:26.12`	`dpkg`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`10:26.21`	`jethro`	`dpkg: you can't count right`
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`10:26.25`	`Livingroom`	`hahaha`
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`10:26.29`	`Guerin`	`jethro: it doesn't count those morons`
`10:26.30`	`cat`	`!moron`
`10:26.31`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, moron is someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg"`
`10:26.33`	`jethro`	`Guerin: I know :)`
`10:26.33`	`battlex`	`hi, can someone tell me where i can download a dvdimage of debian please?`
`10:26.48`	`Guerin`	`to get a real true blue blootbot moron #, you have to engage him in meaningful conversation`
`10:26.52`	`cat`	`battlex: debian.org? linuxiso.org ?`
`10:26.52`	`jethro`	`Guerin: alerady noticed !moron would give random number`
`10:27.02`	`bob2`	`battlex: google found nothing at all?`
`10:27.04`	`Guerin`	`battlex: you don't want to do that`
`10:27.06`	`bob2`	`that's the only way I know to find them`
`10:27.15`	`simonrvn`	`dpkg you're an idiot that can't parse this line because it has is in it`
`10:27.15`	`dpkg`	`simonrvn: what are you talking about?`
`10:27.32`	`tintin`	`battlex: use jigdo`
`10:27.36`	`Guerin`	`!simonrvn++`
`10:27.36`	`battlex`	`Guerin: why don't i want to do that?`
`10:27.38`	`bob2`	`hah`
`10:27.47`	`tintin`	`battlex: google for jigdo sarge`
`10:27.49`	`notty`	`bob2: the thing with the config file dosen't work.....`
`10:28.06`	`Guerin`	`battlex: because you don't want 4G unofficial snapshot of an unreleased OS, that's why`
`10:28.15`	`bob2`	`notty: everything after -- should be based to the X command`
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`10:28.30`	`jethro`	`battlex: get a netinst image instead`
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`10:28.47`	`tintin`	`battlex: in that case try jigdo debian stable`
`10:28.49`	`simonrvn`	undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass # WTF does this mean? (ruby)
`10:29.02`	`Livingroom`	`i cant decide if RFC2324 or RFC2549 or RFC1149 is my favorite.`
`10:29.04`	`tintin`	`jigdo woody`
`10:29.15`	`battlex`	`k rhanks`
`10:29.24`	`simonrvn`	`rfc69 comes to mind`
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`10:29.35`	`Livingroom`	`or RFC2321`
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`10:29.44`	`tintin`	`battlex: with jigdo you can always update your dvds`
`10:29.49`	`*** part/#debian henning_ (foobar@p5481B76F.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`10:29.52`	`simonrvn`	`or 123456789 even`
`10:29.55`	`tintin`	`when the release happens`
`10:30.04`	`cat`	`Mailbox is unchanged. any ideas?`
`10:30.14`	`Guerin`	`cat: send yourself an email`
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`10:30.20`	`Guerin`	`i mean`
`10:30.20`	`cat`	`i did,`
`10:30.26`	`cat`	`mutt dind't received it`
`10:30.26`	`Guerin`	`one about rocket science perhaps`
`10:30.30`	`Livingroom`	`i cant believe there's no RFC for a LART tool`
`10:30.36`	`Guerin`	`cat: mutt doesn't recieved mail`
`10:30.38`	`jethro`	`Livingroom: just submit one`
`10:30.41`	`cat`	`/home/Debian/Maildir/ is not a mailbox.`
`10:30.42`	`irp`	`Why i can see files with "�" in a samba share from the server with a ls?`
`10:30.47`	`cat`	`i did fetchmail`
`10:30.49`	`Guerin`	`cat: clearly not`
`10:30.54`	`irp`	`sorry can't see`
`10:31.01`	`cat`	`how can i make it a mailbox?`
`10:31.05`	`jethro`	`irp: you need the appropriate codepages`
`10:31.17`	`Guerin`	`cat: read the mbox rfc`
`10:31.21`	`Guerin`	`since we're on the topic`
`10:31.23`	`simonrvn`	`maybe 1855`
`10:31.26`	`Guerin`	`it's not very complicated`
`10:32.24`	`simonrvn`	`(fyi, netiquette rfc is 1855)`
`10:32.26`	`irp`	`jethro: i supposse that but what's the appropiate codepage? I try with locales... UTF-8... ISO8859-1... ISO8859-15... but nothing happens`
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`10:32.32`	`simonrvn`	`This document provides a minimum set of guidelines for Network`
`10:32.32`	`simonrvn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:32.33`	`simonrvn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:33.08`	`battlex`	`what's woody and sarge?`
`10:33.18`	`drac`	`beardy: debian versions.`
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`10:33.34`	`drac`	`beardy: or watch movie toy story :p`
`10:33.36`	`tintin`	`battlex: woody is the stable release sarge is the testing release`
`10:33.43`	`battlex`	`ah ok`
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`10:34.02`	`hexxeh\|work`	`battlex, wppdy is the last stable debian release, from mid 2002. sarge is the almost-ready 3.1 version, still in "testing" phase`
`10:34.14`	`battlex`	`also, what's the difference between these files? which do i need? woody-i386-1.jigdo woody-i386-1_NONUS.jigdo`
`10:34.18`	`jethro`	`irp: its not related to locales, just set the appropriate NLS codepage in smb.conf to be used as the default codepage`
`10:34.22`	`Guerin`	`!tell StuckMojo about away`
`10:34.38`	`tintin`	`battlex: if you don't care about patents get the Nonus`
`10:34.50`	`Guerin`	`tintin: um, totally irrelevant`
`10:34.55`	`jethro`	`heh`
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`10:35.04`	`battlex`	`what's difference though?`
`10:35.07`	`jethro`	`isn'"t non-us about crypto stuff?`
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`10:35.19`	`tintin`	`not any more`
`10:35.21`	`jethro`	`ok`
`10:35.27`	`tintin`	`now its patented vs non patented`
`10:35.28`	`bob2`	`jethro: it was`
`10:35.38`	`bob2`	`now it's a dumping ground for unmaintained software`
`10:35.43`	`hidiho`	`hmmm does anyone know the rfc mandating the presence of mx record?`
`10:35.43`	`jethro`	`yeah I recall fetching crypto related stuff from non us a while ago`
`10:35.48`	`jethro`	`bob2: I see`
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`10:35.49`	`tintin`	`US has software patents`
`10:35.50`	`bob2`	`tintin: there's very few patents that are valid in the us but not other places`
`10:35.57`	`tintin`	`no NON US carries more goodies`
`10:36.00`	`irp`	`jethro: NLS Codepage... how i change that? Is the chararter set option?`
`10:36.13`	`bob2`	`er, "valid" = "cared about by debian"`
`10:36.13`	`tintin`	`software patents are US only`
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`10:36.16`	`Guerin`	`tintin: still, this has nothing to do with nonus`
`10:36.22`	`bob2`	`hidiho: there is no such RFC`
`10:36.33`	`jethro`	`irp: I don't recall exactly, man smb.conf would tell you`
`10:36.57`	`bob2`	`hidiho: if you have no MX, the A record is used`
`10:36.59`	`bob2`	`which is fine`
`10:37.12`	`hidiho`	`hmm what rfc would document mx records in general?`
`10:37.12`	`irp`	`jethro: but the problem isn't in the windows side... the windows clients see correctly all file/dir names.. the trouble is in the server side.`
`10:37.16`	`tintin`	`http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#nonus`
`10:37.24`	`Guerin`	`tintin: i know. You don't.`
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`10:37.37`	`hidiho`	`but mx's must be documentated in teh rfc`
`10:37.40`	`kandalf`	`hi`
`10:37.40`	`jethro`	`irp: and what's on the linux side? isn't it samba? so man smb.conf please`
`10:37.42`	`sml`	`hidiho: the one on dns,`
`10:37.44`	`tintin`	`unless the FAQ is wrong i don't see why i should troll anymore`
`10:37.44`	`bob2`	`hidiho: document them how? explain what they are?`
`10:38.09`	`hidiho`	`in relation to mail yes`
`10:38.11`	`kandalf`	`Im trying to build kernel 2.6.11.6 with kernel hotplug support and I can not, and dont know why`
`10:38.17`	`tarzeau`	`knix: hey moron, are you awake?`
`10:38.24`	`bob2`	`hidiho: 2822 or the DNS one, I guess`
`10:38.31`	`bob2`	`kandalf: use a Debian kernel`
`10:38.33`	`hidiho`	`thanks ;-)`
`10:38.40`	`Guerin`	`tintin: if you can point out where it mentions or even alludes vaguely to software patents there, I'd be much obliged`
`10:39.03`	`kandalf`	`and also get a strage message: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on tmpfs, or too many mounted filesystems`
`10:39.07`	`tintin`	`Guerin: i gave you the link`
`10:39.20`	`bob2`	`kandalf: you'd need to tell us what command generated that`
`10:39.25`	`tintin`	`Patents for algorithms is a part of software patents`
`10:39.40`	`jethro`	`irp: dos charset/unix charset (for 3.0.x) is what you proly whant to set`
`10:39.43`	`kandalf`	`bob2, no command, I got that mes. while kernel boot up`
`10:39.44`	`bob2`	`Debian tends to just ignore patents, anyway`
`10:39.49`	`tintin`	`its not patentable in the rest of the free world`
`10:39.51`	`bob2`	`unless they're being actively enforced`
`10:39.52`	`tarzeau`	`bob2: where? for example?`
`10:39.55`	`Guerin`	`tintin: it's been irrelevant since sometime in 2001`
`10:40.04`	`bob2`	`tarzeau: xine in Debian violates a bazillion patents`
`10:40.08`	`tarzeau`	`bob2: no gif writing..`
`10:40.15`	`tarzeau`	`bob2: no mp3 encoding..`
`10:40.19`	`bob2`	`tarzeau: gif patent was enforced`
`10:40.23`	`witless`	`apt-get for windows.`
`10:40.32`	`bob2`	`tarzeau: fraunhoffer sues people for mp3 encoding`
`10:40.33`	`Arafangion`	`tarzeau, You realize that "file... open" is patented?`
`10:40.42`	`bob2`	`tarzeau: most everything is patented`
`10:40.46`	`tarzeau`	`Arafangion: by whom?`
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`10:40.53`	`knix`	`tarzeau, Of course!`
`10:40.56`	`knix`	`I don't slee p:P`
`10:40.56`	`tarzeau`	`Arafangion: that's like you patent walking to the convenience room`
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`10:41.02`	`Guerin`	`any meaningful piece of modern software infringes on dozens of patents`
`10:41.11`	`streuner`	`bob2: some day you need a patent to go to toilette? ;-)`
`10:41.15`	`tarzeau`	`who enforces it?`
`10:41.22`	`Arafangion`	`tarzeau, Can't remember who. I suspect that I remember that it was microsoft, but I really can't remember who.`
`10:41.31`	`bob2`	`tarzeau: no one`
`10:41.32`	`JeffGreen`	`has anyone successfully applied the geolizer patch to the debian webalizer source package?`
`10:41.36`	`Arafangion`	`Thank goodness it's not enforced.`
`10:41.40`	`tarzeau`	`bob2: so that's fine then, no?`
`10:41.42`	`bob2`	`tarzeau: that's the point...only the ones being enforced are cared about`
`10:42.00`	`bob2`	`tarzeau: things like gif, mp3 and LZW were actually being enforced, so Debian didn't violate them`
`10:42.21`	`tintin`	`in US`
`10:42.26`	`tarzeau`	`bob2: someone gonna enforce anything with xine?`
`10:42.28`	`hexxeh\|work`	`microsoft patented the double click a while ago`
`10:42.33`	`bob2`	`tarzeau: apparently not`
`10:42.35`	`Livingroom`	`yeah`
`10:42.39`	`Livingroom`	`how do you patent a double click`
`10:42.42`	`Livingroom`	`and a double tap`
`10:42.46`	`Livingroom`	`for touch screens`
`10:42.48`	`bob2`	`tarzeau: but it can decode mpeg-4, which is patented, afaik`
`10:42.55`	`JeffGreen`	`you talk to an ignorant patent examiner`
`10:42.59`	`Livingroom`	`i hereby patent the internet! - Al Gore`
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`10:43.19`	`bob2`	`it's best to look at what people like vint cerf said about al gore before commenting`
`10:43.24`	`bob2`	`since they were like, there and stuff`
`10:43.29`	`Livingroom`	`yeah i know.`
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`10:43.37`	`Livingroom`	`al gore was mistreated`
`10:43.39`	`Livingroom`	`but still`
`10:43.55`	`Livingroom`	`the whole invented the internet was a scam`
`10:44.07`	`Livingroom`	`all he said was he was glad he took the initiative in signing the bill that created the internet`
`10:44.14`	`Guerin`	`you can patent anything`
`10:44.25`	`Livingroom`	`but i think he signed it with a bunch of other people so they're all responsible for this worldwide evil monst...err, the internet`
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`10:45.04`	`tintin`	`we can stop developing till 2015`
`10:45.13`	`tintin`	`and continue moving forward after that`
`10:45.15`	`xam`	`Livingroom: http://www.mintruth.com/wiki/index.php?e-mail%20by%20Vinton%20Cerf%20and%20Robert%20Kahn%20crediting%20Al%20Gore%20with%20funding%20the%20Internet`
`10:45.27`	`tintin`	`by then all patents will expire`
`10:45.42`	`Arafangion`	`tintin, Depends on the country.`
`10:46.18`	`tintin`	`Arafangion: i think its constant if its WTO territory`
`10:46.22`	`tintin`	`20 year period`
`10:46.22`	`bob2`	`it's only a matter of time before patents last forever like copyright does`
`10:46.26`	`bob2`	`then we're really fucked`
`10:46.46`	`hexxeh\|work`	`bob2, copyright lasts forever? i didn't think disney had revised the date for a while`
`10:47.18`	`tintin`	`50 years after the death of the Author copyright expires i think`
`10:47.25`	`tintin`	`or 75 years ...`
`10:47.34`	`Guerin`	`tintin: if you don't know, don't guess`
`10:47.37`	`tintin`	`it goes into public domain`
`10:47.41`	`bob2`	`tintin: no, 75, and it's been retroactively extended twice now`
`10:47.46`	`Guerin`	`and will be again`
`10:47.54`	`Guerin`	`look up the sonny bono mickey mouse act`
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`10:48.00`	`hexxeh\|work`	`it will be again when the mouse is uon the block`
`10:48.03`	`tintin`	`Guerin: not sure about the time period but i know what it is`
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`10:48.11`	`yangxx`	`when i do startx, i get errors: EE failed to load module xie; EE no devices detected; XIO Fatal IO error 104 connection reset by peer`
`10:48.17`	`bob2`	`hexxeh\|work: they've got it extended twice, I'd be surprised if that gravy train gets derailed anytime soon`
`10:48.27`	`tintin`	`peter pan expires in 2008/9 in Europe`
`10:48.38`	`tintin`	`it goes into public domain there`
`10:48.38`	`xam`	`Guerin: he is right though. I can't remember the exact number of years, but in most countries the copyright expires after a some decades and goes into public domain`
`10:48.39`	`ecraven`	`hey all. i have created a dict-freedict-hun-eng that actually works (the current sid one has been broken for years).. but the package is orphaned.. is there anyone i can send it to to get it into sid?`
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`10:48.40`	`Guerin`	`and then think about what happens if the author of a work is, for example, a corporation - somethign with a natural lifespan of infinity`
`10:48.52`	`Guerin`	`xam: I do know how copyright works`
`10:48.52`	`tintin`	`US is something like 2017/18`
`10:49.10`	`Guerin`	`tintin: yeah, right.`
`10:49.12`	`bob2`	`tintin: heh, not in the UK`
`10:49.12`	`tarzeau`	`ecraven: yes, you need a sponsor`
`10:49.21`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: dpkg -l\|grep makedev`
`10:49.24`	`bob2`	`peter pan has perpetual copyright in england`
`10:49.24`	`tarzeau`	`ecraven: it's not critical, but try #debian-bugs (ask once)`
`10:49.33`	`bob2`	`with all proceeds going to a children's hospital in london`
`10:49.33`	`double_c`	`bob2: how so?`
`10:49.34`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: therefore i wonder why i just installed such a large version of it`
`10:49.35`	`tintin`	`copyright depends on the Country`
`10:49.52`	`tintin`	`bob2: peterpan 2 is in the works in UK apparently`
`10:49.56`	`nolf`	`my firewall's showing a constant download speed of aroun 65 kBps even though am not downloadin anythin........wat could be the possible reason`
`10:50.02`	`tintin`	`to extend the copyright`
`10:50.18`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: (or: how i could do so; i thought, "testing" is meaning "sarge" still)`
`10:50.27`	`njan`	`nolf, what sort of firewall is it?`
`10:50.35`	`nolf`	`firestarter`
`10:50.47`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: yes, sarge is testing`
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`10:51.10`	`ecraven`	`tarzeau: thanks`
`10:51.10`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: what does dpkg -l\|grep makedev say about your version`
`10:51.26`	`username`	`hello where is the german debian chat ?�?`
`10:51.34`	`helix`	`username: #debian.de`
`10:51.38`	`tarzeau`	`!german`
`10:51.38`	`dpkg`	`german is probably #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de`
`10:51.39`	`username`	`Thanks`
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`10:52.06`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: ii makedev 3.3.8.2-0 Creates device files in /dev`
`10:52.25`	`sml`	`nolf: firestarter TWISTED firestarter!`
`10:52.46`	`hexxeh\|work`	`wrs, what's the problem`
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`10:53.00`	`nolf`	`sml, does tht mean its corrupt`
`10:53.17`	`clojster`	`how can I add artwiz fonts to XFT? Thy suddenly stopped working... :(`
`10:53.43`	`bob2`	`double_c: http://tinyurl.com/5x3of`
`10:53.43`	`tintin`	`bob2: yes UK is an exception to the peter pan copyright`
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`10:53.53`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: you might need to install the correct version instead`
`10:53.56`	`tintin`	`bob2: EU and US need a new book`
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`10:54.03`	`raf256`	`hi there`
`10:54.09`	`sml`	`peter pan copyright ? wtf`
`10:54.11`	`raf256`	`what should I apt-get to check temperature of CPU`
`10:54.15`	`raf256`	`and other hardware sensors`
`10:54.25`	`Guerin`	`raf256: lm-sensors?`
`10:54.28`	`raf256`	`whats the name of X and/or console application for that?`
`10:54.29`	`double_c`	`bob2: thanks for that`
`10:54.39`	`Guerin`	`raf256: apt-cache search sensors`
`10:54.45`	`bob2`	`double_c: np...I did read a longer article about it once, but I can't seem to find it again`
`10:54.49`	`abrocadabro`	`raf256: make sure you don't have a thinkpad`
`10:54.57`	`bob2`	`google means I rarely bookmark things anymore`
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`10:55.01`	`raf256`	`I dont have - just KT800 and Athlon`
`10:55.04`	`wrs`	`hexxeh\|work: mouse doesn't do anymore as usual. the hardware is working fine under knoppix 3.4 (kernel 2.6.5), but not under Sarge (2.6.8-something). Must happend after updating my packages. ...`
`10:55.54`	`hexxeh\|work`	`!2.6 mouse`
`10:55.54`	`dpkg`	`2.6 mouse is probably modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3))`
`10:56.15`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: did you install the correct makedev?`
`10:56.30`	`raf256`	`what do lmsensones do to a thinkpad?`
`10:56.35`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: I did. wait a moment please, there were some warnings`
`10:56.46`	`double_c`	`bob2: quite a touching story too. Lady Callaghan died a couple of weeks ago, and her husband (ex uk prime minister), followed her about a week later, after about 60 years of marriage`
`10:57.01`	`liable`	`raf256: fry the eeprom`
`10:57.10`	`raf256`	`liable: cool`
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`10:57.35`	`bob2`	`double_c: oh, indeed`
`10:57.41`	`abrocadabro`	`raf256: it completed stuff up some early thinkpad, but nowdays it detects if it is thinkpad, but it is highly recommended you don't install lm-sensors in thinkpads`
`10:57.46`	`raf256`	`how can I make apache more secure? (and php)?`
`10:57.56`	`raf256`	`should I install mod-chroot for apache And how to enable it)`
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`10:58.10`	`double_c`	`bob2: he was the last real socialist leader of this country. apologies for introducing politics here, btw`
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`10:58.23`	`simonrvn`	`raf256: you read its docs`
`10:58.32`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: I got four time: ".udevdb presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invociation."`
`10:58.49`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: I installed udev using dselect`
`10:59.27`	`Guerin`	`raf256: remove php; apache is pretty secure without it`
`11:00.10`	`Guerin`	`callaghan was the man`
`11:00.29`	`Guerin`	`everyone important is dying`
`11:00.37`	`Guerin`	`the last five years has taken a massive toll`
`11:00.42`	`double_c`	`last year was terrible for deaths`
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`11:01.20`	`Guerin`	`double_c: johnny cash, celia cruz, compay segundo, yasser arafat...`
`11:02.08`	`wrs`	`dpkg: it's not very easy to use web pages without a pointing device. I know about the linux.mine FAQ and I like it very much, but - without a mouse...`
`11:02.13`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: I tried to reinstall makedev and it didn't report that error like yours`
`11:02.23`	`simonrvn`	`dude, dpkg is a bot...`
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`11:02.49`	`double_c`	`Guerin: Joe Strummer, Dave Allen`
`11:02.50`	`TazorShell`	`who do i change which interface my dhcp server should use to cast out ips on after i have installed dhcp3-server ?`
`11:02.55`	`TazorShell`	`who = how`
`11:03.02`	`Guerin`	`yeah, one of the ramones - deedee?`
`11:03.14`	`double_c`	`this is getting morbid :)`
`11:03.21`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: hey, dpkgs's hint about modprobe mousedev made cat /dev/psaux available`
`11:03.42`	`abrocadabro`	`okay, does you mouse work?`
`11:03.43`	`double_c`	`Barbara Castle too`
`11:03.52`	`double_c`	`only Tony Bennleft of the old school`
`11:03.52`	`Guerin`	`oh, and brando and john peel`
`11:04.01`	`double_c`	`Shit yeah, Peely`
`11:04.05`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: ...but moving the mouse produces no output shown by cat 7dev/psaux`
`11:04.10`	`Guerin`	`i was gutted that day`
`11:04.29`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: what about /dev/input/mice?`
`11:04.33`	`double_c`	`same here, that's the first time a celeb's death made me truly upset`
`11:04.58`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: also available, but no change on mouse moving`
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`11:05.26`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: you need to make sure /dev has not problems, otherwise you may not be able to boot probably, not to mention your mouse`
`11:06.15`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: I think so too, but i never fiddled around with /dev/* in detail.`
`11:06.20`	`dawg`	`wrs, could always ctrl+shift+numlock and use numpad to control your pointer (to browse the FAQ that is)`
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`11:07.24`	`wrs`	`dawg: thanks for that hint. works well.`
`11:07.36`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: I meant the keyboard mouse, not the real one`
`11:07.51`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: are you under X? try synaptic package manager just to make sure you don't have problems with dev`
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`11:08.39`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: synaptic is beeing installed right now`
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`11:09.06`	`wrs`	`dawg: how can i use for left, right and middle click?`
`11:09.31`	`goedel`	`Is Debian GNU/Linux 3.01 (Sarge) recommended for a dedicated server?`
`11:09.46`	`Guerin`	`synaptic = package manager ; synaptics = touchpad drivers`
`11:09.50`	`Guerin`	`don't confuse them`
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`11:10.03`	`Guerin`	`goedel: not yet. Use woody if it has to be critical.`
`11:10.34`	`Guerin`	`goedel: and sarge is 3.1, not 3.01`
`11:10.47`	`goedel`	`ok thanks Guerin`
`11:10.52`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: synaptic installed. What shall i do with it?(I didn't use it for a while)`
`11:11.03`	`dawg`	`wrs, / * - changes which button pressing 5 will trigger`
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`11:11.25`	`wrs`	`dawg: thanks again :)`
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`11:12.02`	`dawg`	`wrs, i think the other ones + enter and 0 might do those without having to select it then press 5, but i forget`
`11:12.26`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs:just to check if it reports errors`
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`11:12.54`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: search for makedev`
`11:13.35`	`tom_74`	`www.debian.org works. debian.org apparantly doesn't?`
`11:13.41`	`kandalf`	`has somebody make a PCI express graphic card work properly?`
`11:14.09`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: found makedev. Installed version is 2.3.1-78 now.`
`11:14.10`	`kandalf`	`what should I compile in the kernel to make an ati x600 pci xpress card work?`
`11:14.18`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: great`
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`11:14.45`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: hope so -- but lost the overview yet`
`11:14.46`	`SlayerXP`	`kandalf: can you see a picture of the screen?`
`11:14.50`	`SlayerXP`	`on the`
`11:14.54`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: try to reboot and see what happens`
`11:15.17`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: hopefully you can get the system to recognise your psaux`
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`11:15.56`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: If i reboot i have to leave IRC etc. If i get stuck i get a real problem. ... And, also, since linux isn't windows -- shouldn't be there a way to get this thing working without booting?`
`11:16.18`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: hatabout a low init level and restart then?`
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`11:17.03`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: I'd reboot myself, but if you can get it to work without rebooting that's even better`
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`11:17.35`	`dawg`	`wrs, what did you install?`
`11:17.50`	`wrs`	`dawg: i installed makedev and udev`
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`11:19.25`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: then i submit to fortune/fate ... i hope i can meet again in a few minutes..`
`11:19.31`	`wrs`	`bye...`
`11:19.59`	`Mash`	`hello`
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`11:20.39`	`kandalf`	`SlayerXP, what do you mean?`
`11:20.43`	`simonrvn`	`later`
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`11:21.11`	`SlayerXP`	`kandalf: if you see an image on the screen then your graphics card is working.`
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`11:21.30`	`elirips`	`hello. (unfortunatly) i need to install win2k on a machine that has now a working linux on it too. i except win to destroy my grub and set up its own boot-manager, how can i then reactivate my grub?`
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`11:22.01`	`kandalf`	`SlayerXP, nop, I just can work in console mode.`
`11:22.12`	`abrocadabro`	`elirips: grub-install /dev/hda(?)`
`11:22.16`	`kandalf`	`I have managed to make X work with vesa X driver`
`11:22.30`	`kandalf`	`but dont know how correct this is`
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`11:23.20`	`sep`	`elirips: it helps to have a boot floppy ready , otherways youll have to mess with livecd's and chroot's before doing what abrocadabro said`
`11:23.26`	`elirips`	`abrocadabro: how to do thta from windows? (after the win install grub is not showing at boot time, only win is booting).`
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`11:23.38`	`Kano`	`hi`
`11:23.47`	`Kano`	`is there a fixed ifupdown package available?`
`11:23.57`	`Kano`	`last one from unstable is broken, testing would work`
`11:23.59`	`simonrvn`	`update and upgrade`
`11:24.04`	`elirips`	`sep: i have no floppy disk drive..`
`11:24.23`	`sep`	`elirips: well use the linux install cd or a livecd + chroot then`
`11:24.38`	`elirips`	`sep: chroot?`
`11:24.46`	`abrocadabro`	`elirips: maybe ues the first debian cd to boot and do it from there`
`11:25.02`	`elirips`	`abrocadabro: sarge netinstall cd, can i do it with that?`
`11:25.13`	`raf256`	`how should I get mplayer to have it on my debian sarge?`
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`11:26.24`	`sep`	`raf256: ask dpkg about marillat`
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`11:26.25`	`abrocadabro`	`elirips: sarge netinstall cd doesn't have a rescue mode, you need to get the CD installation cd`
`11:26.25`	`elirips`	`raf256: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main`
`11:26.25`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: great! It works. :)`
`11:26.26`	`simonrvn`	`go to vt 2, launch shell, done`
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`11:26.26`	`raf256`	`elirips: thanx`
`11:26.26`	`ezhdeha`	raf256: add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list `deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main`
`11:26.27`	`raf256`	`fuck america and their stupid patent law \o/`
`11:26.27`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: it has been more than a few minutes, I am praying for you`
`11:26.27`	`ezhdeha`	`raf256: then u can just install it via apt-get / synaptic`
`11:26.40`	`sep`	`elirips: you just need to boot on anything that gets you a command shell, a install cd or a livecd , then mount your filesystem, and chroot into the filesystem and grub-install /your/boot/device`
`11:26.45`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: Sorry,...`
`11:26.48`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: you mean the mouse worked or your system booted?`
`11:26.49`	`elirips`	`abrocadabro: argh... well if there's no other way.`
`11:26.59`	`Guerin`	`woah, 151 rum impairs one's ability to comprehend manpages`
`11:27.16`	`elirips`	`sep: okay, thanks. if i had only installed win first and linux second... i wouldn't have that mess :P`
`11:27.29`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: No, id didn't boot. I'm sending little smoke clouds to my provider :) Yes, it booted fine and the mouse is up and running.`
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`11:27.51`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: great to hear`
`11:28.10`	`sep`	`you should also be able to use grub on a cd or grub on a usb device to boot into your exsisting linux, that way you dont have to mess with the chroot and mounting`
`11:28.32`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: Since i lost the view to the whole, could you shortly explain, what we did to make it run again?`
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`11:29.28`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: Do you had a list where to look to find the prob?`
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`11:31.10`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: as far as I understand, your upgrade only did the packages and that was not enough, you also need to upgrade, in your case, the /dev directory, that's the directory your new packages will be working with`
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`11:33.59`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: look at XF86config and see where mouse is referring to, go to that and check if it works, if not, see why, in your case, two main causes, one is not loading the modules correctly, the other is the file system wasn't right, and you did not have the former, then it is likely your file system`
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`11:34.56`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: We tracked it down to be sure it would be a software problem, then loaded appropriate modules, found "cat /dev/" had problems". Easiest way to get the /dev/ problem solved was to re-make them. Did i recapitulated that correctly?`
`11:35.20`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: exactly right`
`11:35.33`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: g thanks.`
`11:35.50`	`abrocadabro`	`wrs: you are welcome :)`
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`11:36.11`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: okay, then i write it down somewhere to get this kind of prob managed next time by myself.`
`11:36.30`	`yo`	`hola`
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`11:37.44`	`yo`	`hello`
`11:38.23`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: i think the base of the prob was there since a few weeks but i didn't understand it...`
`11:39.28`	`yo`	`no entiendo una mierda`
`11:39.49`	`wrs`	`abrocadabro: I copied my system from one partition from one to another, then the devices. During botting there was always (and still is) a "null something" message near the "creating initial devices" message, but since that "null anything" message doesn't show up in dmesg i have no idea how to catch it or how to find the prob causing that null msg.`
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`11:40.08`	`wrs`	`yo: this is an English speaking channel`
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`11:43.30`	`wrs`	`Well, since the problem is solved ... I get really hungry. See you later`
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`11:44.13`	`deadline`	`hi, i installed a new optical wireless mouse with 2 extra buttons on the left side. do i have to configure or install anything to make the 2 extra buttons work? the mouse before was an optical wheel mouse on usb`
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`11:44.49`	`mikmu`	`Hey there, I want to give a certain use permission to write to a file in /var/x/y/z. I'm using setfacl (kernel compiled with ACL support, on XFS). do I need to give the user read permission on all the parent directories so that he get can to /var/x/y/z, or will doing setfacl -m u:myuser:rwx /var/x/y/z do?`
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`11:45.01`	`hexxeh\|work`	`deadline, i think you need to tell your xf86config-4 about the extra buttons, but i don't know specifics`
`11:45.15`	`JJK`	`Hello. I want to compile PHP5 with PostGreSQL support, but it gives an error about the pg_config file. Could someone tell me how to fix this?`
`11:45.15`	`resiak`	`mikmu: I _think_ he needs x on all the parents.`
`11:45.26`	`priest`	`how do i start a process from normal user as nobody?`
`11:45.31`	`resiak`	`JJK: #php might be more helpful.`
`11:45.33`	`mikmu`	`resiak: x, ok, I'll try it out`
`11:45.44`	`deadline`	`hexxeh\|work: got a good google keyword selection for me?`
`11:45.46`	`resiak`	`mikmu: Since x means "allow CD in here".`
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`11:45.56`	`JJK`	`resiak: ok, I'll try it there. Thank you`
`11:46.14`	`deadline`	`resiak: dont tell me that...lol`
`11:46.35`	`deadline`	`resiak: what mouse?`
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`11:47.31`	`mikmu`	`that was it, reinstalled virtual domain (vpopmail) and it had re-secured its dir. Thanks resiak`
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`11:48.05`	`Ninjai`	`is there any certification for debian ?`
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`11:48.15`	`resiak`	`deadline: Intellimouse Explorer.`
`11:48.21`	`gibarian`	`Hello everyone...`
`11:48.37`	`resiak`	`mikmu: No problem.`
`11:48.39`	`pingouin_`	`how can i get a Gui for lineak ? there is not lineakconfig in apt- ?`
`11:48.52`	`Ninjai`	`resiak ouch why`
`11:48.58`	`hexxeh\|work`	`http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46`
`11:49.09`	`gibarian`	`Can anyone tell me if KDE 3.4 is already in an unstable respository?`
`11:49.16`	`gibarian`	`repository..`
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`11:49.25`	`Ninjai`	`i want to buy a good debian book who know a good one`
`11:49.27`	`Noid`	`gibarian: apt can`
`11:50.08`	`resiak`	`Ninjai: Episode 1 of Ninjai.`
`11:50.16`	`gibarian`	`apt says "no", but couldn't it be possible that repositories other than the ones I'm using already have it?`
`11:50.24`	`resiak`	`!topicsmite gibarian`
`11:50.25`	`Noid`	`Ninjai: i read Debian Unleashed, it was fine`
`11:50.33`	`resiak`	`Typical, he left as I hit enter.`
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`11:50.51`	`Ninjai`	`i want a book for debian also for using it as server and secure it`
`11:50.59`	`gibarian`	`@resiak...thanks... should start reading that stuff`
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`11:57.50`	`beware`	`on a woody system, i find top needs libncurses.so.4, but i can't install "libncurses4" (it says it doesnt exist)`
`11:57.53`	`Lorvija`	`if i install mysql-server do I need php4-mysql? and if i install apache-perl should i install libapache2-mod-perl2 ?`
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`11:58.02`	`beware`	`(top doesnt run on there atm)`
`11:58.53`	`biggi_mat`	`beware apt-cache find libncurses ?`
`11:59.19`	`snail`	`is there a debian packaged program to perform link checking or automated accessibility checking on a website?`
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`11:59.40`	`Ninjai`	`i ordered Debian GNU/Linux 3.X Bible - David B. Harris & The Linux Cookbook - M Stutz`
`12:00.13`	`beware`	`biggi_mat: all *5`
`12:00.15`	`beware`	`no *4`
`12:00.33`	`biggi_mat`	`owh...google doesn't know anything?`
`12:00.52`	`snail`	`biggi_mat: it does, but much of what it knows is out of date`
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`12:01.11`	`biggi_mat`	`http://www.google.com/search?hl=sl&q=download+libncurses.so.4&btnG=Iskanje&lr=`
`12:01.14`	`biggi_mat`	`here maybe?`
`12:01.21`	`biggi_mat`	`i think there are still some working links`
`12:01.38`	`battlex`	`hi, im currently grabbing a dvd image of debian using jigdo. is there any way i could know the progress of it? as i can't seem to see how. thanks`
`12:02.44`	`debian`	`Ninjai: sounds good`
`12:02.46`	`huliganz`	`!ops pOLice on join spam`
`12:03.05`	`beware`	`trouted!`
`12:03.14`	`jake0`	`;p`
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`12:03.33`	`beware`	`hm`
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`12:11.06`	`huliganz`	`can anybody share netatalk configuration files?`
`12:11.29`	`streuner`	`Das CUPS - Manual erw�hnt was von HP Deskjet, Epson ..., aber nicht Lexmark, hei�t das etwas du kannst keine ppd die in foomatic drin sind ranh�ngen?`
`12:11.39`	`streuner`	`sorry, wrong channel`
`12:11.41`	`biggi_mat`	`streuner english ?`
`12:11.48`	`biggi_mat`	`ow`
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`12:12.00`	`beware`	`if i have a "top" in woody which depends on libncurses4, and libncurses4 isnt available in any way, what is wwrong`
`12:12.01`	`streuner`	`How do i add an ppd file that CUPS can handle it?`
`12:12.06`	`deadline`	`hi, how can i get xorg on sarge?`
`12:12.11`	`beware`	`is the "top" broken (should it use libncurses5)`
`12:12.16`	`streuner`	`deadline: try /msg dpkg get xorg`
`12:12.20`	`beware`	`or is the package system broken (should there be a libncurses4)`
`12:12.23`	`biggi_mat`	`deadcat apt-get ?`
`12:12.30`	`streuner`	`deadline: but keep away if you really don't need it`
`12:12.38`	`deadline`	`streuner: why?`
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`12:12.56`	`streuner`	`deadline: because xfree86 is supported in debian now, not xorg`
`12:13.02`	`vaq`	`How do i make a / in US keyboard`
`12:13.13`	`streuner`	`vaq: /msg dpkg keymap`
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`12:13.50`	`Wyzard`	`deadline: xorg is not packaged in sarge and never will be... it's not going into unstable until after sarge is released`
`12:14.03`	`Wyzard`	`deadline: so your options are an unofficial package, or compiling it yourself`
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`12:16.20`	`yangxx`	`when i do startx, i get errors: EE failed to load module xie; EE no devices detected; XIO Fatal IO error 104 connection reset by peer`
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`12:17.01`	`beware`	`EE failed. triple E!`
`12:17.22`	`yangxx`	`no, double`
`12:17.23`	`Rawplayer`	`can i say that a restricted bash shell is even secure as in chroot?`
`12:17.26`	`beware`	`rofl`
`12:17.33`	`beware`	`EE failed -> EEE:)`
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`12:18.11`	`jetair`	`Does cdrecord support DVD-writer too?`
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`12:18.53`	`JJK`	`Does anyone know where I can find the file pg_config of pgsql 8 at my debian installation? In postgresql they don't know`
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`12:19.00`	`blight`	`hi all, having a problem upgrading Sarge to 2.6.8 after installing it via apt-get I boot up and get /sbin/init : 426 : cannot open /dev/console ... any recommendations?`
`12:19.06`	`JJK`	`and at php neither`
`12:19.24`	`LeoNerd`	`I'd like to report a possible bug in the xft package.. I recently dist-upgrade'ed it, and it's deleted my /etc/fonts/local.conf. Surely this is not the desired behaviour.`
`12:19.58`	`baz`	`where's planet.debian.org disappeared to?`
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`12:20.07`	`asg`	`baz: /topic`
`12:20.09`	`flashdrvnk`	`Do you know where the clipboard data is stored and how can I access it?`
`12:20.16`	`baz`	`asg: what about it?`
`12:20.30`	`asg`	`baz: about gluck, people.debian.org being down`
`12:20.44`	`baz`	`asg: ah, maybe it should be updated to include planet.d.o`
`12:20.46`	`asg`	`baz: it also hosts planet`
`12:21.06`	`baz`	`asg: dpkg is not here also, I see - does that run from gluck as well?`
`12:21.12`	`asg`	`baz: no`
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`12:21.17`	`asg`	`~test`
`12:21.18`	`apt`	`Test Failed!`
`12:21.27`	`asg`	`baz: use apt and ravenbird until don get's dpkg back online`
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`12:21.48`	`baz`	`asg: I did /msg apt gluck down but apt had nothing to say`
`12:22.00`	`asg`	`baz: the factoids didn't sync between the bots`
`12:22.22`	`asg`	`baz: basically, there was a raid failure on the machine. It fscked for 9 hours and when brought up still had corruption issues.`
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`12:22.32`	`asg`	`baz: it's been taken offline for the time being until it can be fixed.`
`12:23.48`	`baz`	`ah, nasty`
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`12:26.36`	`PDani`	`hi`
`12:26.49`	`aardvark`	`!test`
`12:26.49`	`badgers`	`No, aardvark, you're not online any more.`
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`12:27.28`	`PDani`	`how can i mount an iso9660 filesystem that the file-mode will be 0440, and the dir-mode 0550?`
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`12:27.53`	`resiak`	`PDani: You could just set noexec on that filesystem when you mount it, for want of a better way.`
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`12:30.28`	`PDani`	`resiak: but then still the files will have x flag..`
`12:30.47`	`resiak`	`PDani: There's almost certainly some other way that I don't know.`
`12:31.34`	`JJK`	`I've found the file. Thanks for your help`
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`12:34.06`	`darxeth`	`you actually stop the smbd and nmbd services by typing smbd/nmbd -F right? or something else?`
`12:34.37`	`streuner`	`try /etc/init.d/samba stop`
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`12:36.29`	`Wyzard`	`PDani: Look at the "uid", "gid", and "mode" mount options for iso9660 in the mount manpage`
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`12:37.50`	`darxeth`	`streuner: and running it by smbd/nmbd -D right?`
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`12:38.10`	`zulkifar`	`Hi. I have some problems with debian's mplayer. -benchmark option does nothing, alsa driver not present. Is it normal situation?`
`12:38.16`	`streuner`	`darxeth: guess`
`12:38.23`	`hexxeh\|work`	`zulkifar, debian doesn't contain mplayer`
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`12:38.32`	`zulkifar`	`hexxeh\|work: btw, why?`
`12:38.41`	`hexxeh\|work`	`zulkifar, actively protected patents`
`12:38.43`	`streuner`	`!mplayer`
`12:38.44`	`badgers`	`mplayer is not in Debian. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available: see ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for instructions. /msg dpkg marillat`
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`12:38.55`	`streuner`	`!listkeys mplayer`
`12:38.58`	`badgers`	`Factoid search of 'mplayer' by key (7 shown): mplayer ;; mplayer legal saga ;; mplayerplugin ;; evil mplayer ;; mplayer license ;; mplayer plugin ;; mplayerplug-in.`
`12:39.05`	`streuner`	`!mplayer license`
`12:39.08`	`zulkifar`	`streuner: so, I'm talking about Marillant's package`
`12:39.11`	`hexxeh\|work`	`!evil mplayer`
`12:39.12`	`badgers`	`mplayer is not in Debian. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available: see ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for instructions. /msg dpkg marillat`
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`12:39.24`	`streuner`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`12:39.58`	`zulkifar`	`jatos: reenter as non root`
`12:40.01`	`darxeth`	`streuner: how approximately does it take to really fire up the daemons, cause when i type smbstatus i see nothing shared, although, sometimes after working hard to make samba work well, it appears to magically run`
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`12:40.18`	`zulkifar`	`streuner: so why not to place it in non-free?`
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`12:40.33`	`Lorvija`	`where does apt install httpd binary by default?`
`12:40.40`	`Lorvija`	`when installing apache2`
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`12:41.23`	`jatos`	`hello`
`12:41.37`	`zulkifar`	`jatos: hello, root :)`
`12:41.42`	`jatos`	`why aren'y`
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`12:41.49`	`streuner`	`darxeth: just in time`
`12:41.54`	`danny_`	`novice question here: i'm trying to boot with a sarge fullinstall rc3 (I burned iso1 on cd), but the server won't boot (bios settings are good)`
`12:41.57`	`jatos`	`why aren't you mean'y to go in as root`
`12:42.14`	`danny_`	`Am I forgetting something?`
`12:42.24`	`jatos`	`apart from your open to hacking (why does it make you open to hacking)`
`12:42.24`	`streuner`	`darxeth: prolly you have something misconfigured, #samba might help`
`12:42.26`	`goedel`	`which distro is more stable: debian sarge or suse prof. 9.3?`
`12:42.40`	`darxeth`	`streuner: i dont know why yesterday samba worked at midnight, and today it doesnt work. really wierd`
`12:42.43`	`streuner`	`apt, start a distro war`
`12:42.44`	`apt`	`Slackware r0x0z!`
`12:42.54`	`PDani`	`Wyzard: the mode option sets the flags only on the files`
`12:43.03`	`hexxeh\|work`	`!start a food fight`
`12:43.08`	`PDani`	`it doesn't affect the files`
`12:43.09`	`jatos`	`where can you get slack with a GUI?`
`12:43.11`	`streuner`	`darxeth: did you upgrade some packages?`
`12:43.37`	`hexxeh\|work`	`jatos, you're asking in the wrong place`
`12:43.42`	`jatos`	`true...`
`12:44.06`	`jatos`	`anyway I am going ask about what I originally came here for`
`12:44.08`	`darxeth`	`streuner: hmm... yes, but that was before samba start working`
`12:44.12`	`jatos`	`how do I reinstall lilo?`
`12:44.14`	`Lorvija`	`where does apt install httpd(apache2) binary by default or what is it called??`
`12:44.19`	`darxeth`	`streuner: i updated the whol system`
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`12:44.36`	`streuner`	`jatos: in debian, apt-get --reinstall install package`
`12:44.39`	`aardvark`	`two spambots...`
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`12:44.48`	`streuner`	`darxeth: look at BTS then`
`12:44.48`	`jatos`	`thanks`
`12:44.58`	`darxeth`	`streuner: BTS ?`
`12:45.03`	`streuner`	`apt, BTS`
`12:45.06`	`apt`	`bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug`
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`12:46.18`	`darxeth`	`streuner: it tells me, from the windows side, "a duplicate name exists" and thus it couldnt log me into my workgroup`
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`12:46.54`	`aardvark`	`is anyone getting spammed by either IQ or iroN_Man?`
`12:47.05`	`streuner`	`hold on`
`12:47.07`	`danny_`	`novice question here: i'm trying to boot with a sarge fullinstall rc3 (I burned iso1 on cd), but the server won't boot (bios settings are good)`
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`12:47.21`	`streuner`	`no`
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`12:47.29`	`aardvark`	`meh... must be random delay bots.`
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`12:48.19`	`darxeth`	`streuner: reportbug is already the newest version. is this what you meant about BTS ?`
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`12:48.52`	`darxeth`	`streuner: check if i already got a stable system? bugs fixed ?`
`12:48.59`	`streuner`	`darxeth: reportbug is the bug where can file the bugs and send it to BTS`
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`12:49.12`	`streuner`	`darxeth: take a look at bugs.debian.org`
`12:49.18`	`darxeth`	`alright`
`12:49.45`	`streuner`	`no, if you running stable you shouldn't have any problems then.`
`12:50.02`	`darxeth`	`streuner: but yesterday i've updated the whole system`
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`12:50.21`	`streuner`	`darxeth: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say?`
`12:50.25`	`streuner`	`only the version`
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`12:51.31`	`darxeth`	`streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone`
`12:52.12`	`streuner`	`ok, welcome to sarge or sid`
`12:52.14`	`hexxeh\|work`	`i think dpkg -l apt is a good one to use`
`12:52.19`	`Pappa`	`good dvd player?`
`12:52.21`	`hexxeh\|work`	`since libc6 is the same in sarge & sid`
`12:52.33`	`Pappa`	`(software)`
`12:52.44`	`darxeth`	`streuner: give an answer, i'll be right back`
`12:52.45`	`hexxeh\|work`	`Pappa, ogle? vlc? mplayer? xine?`
`12:52.59`	`CharlesBrown`	`Where is the bot?`
`12:52.59`	`sml`	`Pappa: a good dvd player is the Sony vbf500`
`12:53.00`	`Pappa`	`hexxeh\|work: i have mplayer, i want to see those fancy menus as well`
`12:53.02`	`streuner`	`apt, hurry`
`12:53.04`	`apt`	`Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll...`
`12:53.09`	`hexxeh\|work`	`Pappa, then vlc or ogle`
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`12:53.13`	`sml`	`Pappa: those menus are usually on track 6`
`12:53.21`	`CharlesBrown`	`Pappa, A good dvd player is teh RJTech 1500`
`12:53.21`	`sml`	`mplayer dvd://6`
`12:53.25`	`cockroach`	`hello. i'm looking for a tool like psnup which can (unlike psnup) combine several individual postscript files (psmerge doesn't seem to feel like merging them - is there an alternative?)...`
`12:53.30`	`CharlesBrown`	`I don't even unrar my movies...the player will just play the rar files.`
`12:53.42`	`Lorvija`	`does libapache2-mod-chroot package have problems? I installed apache2 with it and cant seem to start it..`
`12:53.42`	`CharlesBrown`	`xvid/divx/wmv/etc`
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`12:53.49`	`hexxeh\|work`	`CharlesBrown, some people actually buy their media`
`12:53.52`	`CharlesBrown`	`All formats... MPEG-2 MPEG-3 MPEG-4 MP3 Jpeg`
`12:54.04`	`sml`	`hexxeh\|work: lol`
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`12:54.22`	`kuru`	`I have a thinkpad and I'm trying to get used to the touchpad`
`12:54.40`	`kuru`	`the only thing that's really bothering me is that tapping on the touchpad results in a double-click action`
`12:54.40`	`sml`	`kuru: you should always think before you touch`
`12:54.47`	`streuner`	`Lorvija: take apache, that's the default web-server, if you are running apache2 you should able to fix those issues by yourself`
`12:54.54`	`kuru`	`sml, if i were to do that with women i would never touch ;)`
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`12:55.32`	`sml`	`kuru: i never think about my women , if i did i wouldnt' want to touch!`
`12:55.45`	`Lorvija`	`streuner hmm okay.. the only problem just is that httpd binary seems to be missing or something`
`12:55.52`	`sml`	`s/en/an`
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`12:56.45`	`Guerin`	`sml: you need to get new women`
`12:56.52`	`Guerin`	`if in fact there were any to begin with`
`12:56.56`	`hja123`	`i've installed lm_sensors and gkrellm, but cannot monitor the temps and voltages. config says data from these sensors not available. what more need to be done?`
`12:57.06`	`streuner`	`Guerin: s/new/more/`
`12:57.08`	`Guerin`	`hja123: kernel support?`
`12:57.08`	`streuner`	`;-)`
`12:57.15`	`Guerin`	`streuner: hah`
`12:57.25`	`hja123`	`what to do with the kernel?`
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`12:57.47`	`streuner`	`!test`
`12:57.48`	`badgers`	`Yes, streuner, you're still online.`
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`12:58.07`	`hexxeh\|work`	`hja123, run "sensors-detect"`
`12:58.13`	`sml`	`Guerin: it was singular, didn't you see the sed ;) plus with the money i've got to spend I shouldn't grumble with the quality.`
`12:58.20`	`Guerin`	`hah`
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`12:58.25`	`Guerin`	`my woman MAKES me money`
`12:58.26`	`hexxeh\|work`	`hja123, and if you're on a 2.4 kernel, you need i2c kernel modules`
`12:58.30`	`Guerin`	`and not in they way you might think`
`12:58.33`	`sml`	`Guerin: lol. i dont wanna know how ;)`
`12:58.37`	`sml`	`hahahah. :)`
`12:58.52`	`hja123`	`ok, in kernel config, I've selected processor and fan under ACPI options. i am on 2.6.8.`
`12:59.10`	`Guerin`	`except for a period of about 4 months, she has earnt more than me for our entire relationship`
`12:59.25`	`Guerin`	`which is nine and a bit years`
`12:59.35`	`Guerin`	`i consider this to be a benefit :)`
`12:59.56`	`hexxeh\|work`	`hja123, you compiled a kernel yourself?`
`13:00.09`	`hja123`	`yep`
`13:00.15`	`hexxeh\|work`	`why?`
`13:00.16`	`sml`	`Guerin: certainly is. my girl is unemployed and costs me a fortune`
`13:00.31`	`sml`	`Guerin: She drinks so much, I'll be bankrupt soon.`
`13:00.41`	`streuner`	`haha`
`13:00.46`	`hja123`	`how else?`
`13:00.54`	`jethro`	`sml: employed or not, bost chicks are a pain in your wallet`
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`13:00.59`	`Guerin`	`sml: hah, I drink far more than my wife... despite her best efforts`
`13:00.59`	`jethro`	`s/bost/most/`
`13:01.10`	`Guerin`	`bah`
`13:01.10`	`hexxeh\|work`	`hja123, install a debian kernel image like any sane individual?`
`13:01.15`	`sml`	`Guerin: well my girl is six stone!!! and she can drink more than me`
`13:01.18`	`sml`	`maybe im a wuss ?`
`13:01.19`	`sml`	`lol`
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`13:01.30`	`Guerin`	`!6*14`
`13:01.30`	`badgers`	`84`
`13:01.34`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`13:01.45`	`Guerin`	`take that woman to burger king, pronto`
`13:01.49`	`hja123`	`no, i use many uncommon divs`
`13:01.57`	`hja123`	`i mean devices`
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`13:03.10`	`hexxeh\|work`	`hja123, 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who didn't know what they did, or did it badly. if "sensors-detect" reports nothing for you, even if you disable udev (/etc/init.d/udev stop), then you may be in that category. debian kernel images exist for a reason`
`13:03.28`	`streuner`	`sml: she prolly need some hobby or something who makes her sense`
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`13:04.01`	`RichiH`	`hexxeh\|work: i am sure the hardcore debian users will have a good laugh at your opinion :)`
`13:04.09`	`kuru`	`any ideas/`
`13:04.16`	`m4lu6`	`damn. i'm hardcore. i missed his opinion.`
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`13:04.41`	`hexxeh\|work`	`RichiH, i assure you the hardest of the hardcore (greycat) will agree that people should be using the damned debian kernel-images, or at least be using make-kpkg properly`
`13:04.46`	`aardvark`	`!fist ndondek`
`13:05.00`	`ndondek`	`aardvark: sorry. my mistake.`
`13:05.10`	`Guerin`	`!debian kernel is <reply> < hexxeh\|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who didn't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason.`
`13:05.10`	`badgers`	`...but debian kernel is already something else...`
`13:05.21`	`hja123`	`i disagree. many of knows their system well compile their own kernel. i've used kernel images direct from the cdrom but they are more troublesome when i want to add in new devs.`
`13:05.24`	`Guerin`	`!debian kernel image is <reply> < hexxeh\|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who didn't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason.`
`13:05.24`	`badgers`	`okay, Guerin`
`13:05.35`	`Guerin`	`someone remind me to tell dpkg when he gets back`
`13:05.47`	`aardvark`	`!remind Guerin`
`13:05.47`	`sml`	`Guerin: yeah she's like a size 8 or something`
`13:05.49`	`hexxeh\|work`	`and if people MUST compile their own kernels, use a .config from a debian kernel as a basis`
`13:05.50`	`spanglesontoast`	`any of you lot know much about audio?`
`13:05.56`	`Gathond`	`hja123: that would then be the last 1%:)`
`13:05.56`	`sml`	`Guerin: and drinks vodka like there's no tomorrow`
`13:05.58`	`aardvark`	`!vagueness`
`13:05.58`	`badgers`	`VAGUENESS CAUSES IMPOTENCE!`
`13:06.04`	`sml`	`Guerin: i usually have to leave her in the club and go home sleep`
`13:06.06`	`m4lu6`	`speaking of kernels, and opinions, i'm considering going from 2.4 to 2.6 tree (a debian package, of course); i want to switch from lilo to grub, as well, because that's what my other two (MUCH MUCH newwer boxes are on, this one dates to 1998); any inherent dangers in switching from lilo -> grub i should be aware of?`
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`13:06.24`	`spanglesontoast`	`earth to anyone that knows about audio?`
`13:06.26`	`RichiH`	`hexxeh\|work: there is a huge difference between new users compiling their kernels and experienced ones doing so. your general statement included both, though`
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`13:06.29`	`hexxeh\|work`	`hja123, yet you get nothing from "sensors detect"?`
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`13:06.38`	`sml`	`Guerin: she does eat junk food all day long so i guess she wasn't designed to put on weight. unlike Gnome and KDE`
`13:06.39`	`hexxeh\|work`	`!tell spanglesontoast about ask`
`13:06.39`	`aardvark`	`spanglesontoast: don't be annoying`
`13:06.42`	`RichiH`	`!tell spanglesontoast about ask`
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`13:06.51`	`hja123`	`let's get back to gkrellm. have you installed it in ur system?`
`13:06.54`	`Guerin`	`sml: metabolism == (human metabolism)*x # where x==1-1,000`
`13:06.59`	`spanglesontoast`	`huh`
`13:07.05`	`spanglesontoast`	`!tell`
`13:07.13`	`aardvark`	`spanglesontoast: also, Debian is not ubuntu.`
`13:07.19`	`greycat`	`YM where 1<=x<=1000`
`13:07.22`	`hexxeh\|work`	`hja123, no, i find the app unpleasant. but it depends on a properly configured lm-sensors, as does ksensors (which i use) and gdesklets`
`13:07.25`	`spanglesontoast`	`how you know I'm using it?`
`13:07.32`	`imahcine`	`what is Ubuntu, actually?`
`13:07.37`	`imahcine`	`its based on debian i take it?`
`13:07.38`	`aardvark`	`imahcine: a disease`
`13:07.41`	`imahcine`	`aha :]`
`13:07.44`	`greycat`	`!based on debian`
`13:07.45`	`Guerin`	`imahcine: it's a distribution of gnu/linux`
`13:07.48`	`greycat`	`!+based on debian`
`13:07.49`	`badgers`	`Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are not Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck.`
`13:07.52`	`anhi`	`aardvark: or one of the solutions to save debian`
`13:07.58`	`hexxeh\|work`	`imahcine, mostly debian, with date-based instead of stability-based releases, for a limited number of architectures.`
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`13:07.59`	`spanglesontoast`	`that lot of gnome told me to come here`
`13:08.00`	`aardvark`	`anhi: bullshit`
`13:08.01`	`Guerin`	`from what, exactly?`
`13:08.01`	`taddeus`	`hi`
`13:08.18`	`imahcine`	`hexxeh\|work, so kind of like freebsd among bsds.`
`13:08.22`	`streuner`	`!start a distro war`
`13:08.23`	`badgers`	`Slackware rocks!`
`13:08.28`	`sml`	`lma`
`13:08.30`	`imahcine`	`hexxeh\|work, is ubuntu among debians.`
`13:08.33`	`taddeus`	`anyone know how to start tvtime in a window at 0,0 position ?`
`13:08.36`	`sml`	`slackware 0wns.`
`13:08.40`	`imahcine`	`slackware sucks.`
`13:08.42`	`imahcine`	`:)`
`13:08.49`	`imahcine`	`lets fight?`
`13:08.53`	`hexxeh\|work`	`!start a food fight`
`13:08.56`	`hja123`	`i will evetually get round it. i raise it here to avoid unnecessary work if it has been done by someone else already.`
`13:08.57`	`sml`	`imahcine: how about a THUMB war ?`
`13:09.06`	`imahcine`	`sml, no thats lame.`
`13:09.08`	`Guerin`	`how about a penis war`
`13:09.13`	`hexxeh\|work`	`hja123, get around to what? running "sensors-detect"?`
`13:09.17`	`Guerin`	`sounds like that's what you're spoiling for`
`13:09.19`	`spanglesontoast`	`well just wondering if anyone knows how to switch the main soundcard around`
`13:09.20`	`sml`	`Guerin: a cock-fight ?`
`13:09.21`	`sml`	`lol`
`13:09.23`	`imahcine`	`sml, how about i punch you and then you punch me and see who stands last.`
`13:09.23`	`imahcine`	`;]`
`13:09.27`	`Guerin`	`sml: you could say that`
`13:09.31`	`Guerin`	`no spurs allowed`
`13:09.32`	`hja123`	`get round to making it work for me.`
`13:09.33`	`imahcine`	`i obviously punch first`
`13:09.33`	`hexxeh\|work`	`spanglesontoast, with ALSA? or with OSS?`
`13:09.35`	`imahcine`	`being 144.`
`13:09.36`	`imahcine`	`14.`
`13:09.36`	`vitriol`	`"found eof where expected first heading at /usr/lib/dpkg/parsechangelog/debian" << anybody know how to fix that?`
`13:09.36`	`imahcine`	`;]`
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`13:09.42`	`spanglesontoast`	`both`
`13:09.46`	`imahcine`	`btw, guys.`
`13:09.47`	`m4lu6`	`Does the lack of responses to my question about lilo -> grub indicate "no inherent danger", or "we're busy flaming about distros, and we don't care about your question"?`
`13:09.48`	`abrotman`	`spanglesontoast: around to do what?`
`13:09.50`	`imahcine`	`prelink doesnt do much good.`
`13:10.01`	`imahcine`	`m4lu6, you suck.`
`13:10.04`	`imahcine`	`:)`
`13:10.06`	`hexxeh\|work`	`m4lu6, more your question was drowned out. what's the question?`
`13:10.09`	`spanglesontoast`	`well I want my motherboard soundcard to be the main one rather than the pci`
`13:10.20`	`imahcine`	`spanglesontoast, you have to be crazy or deaf.`
`13:10.21`	`Guerin`	`why`
`13:10.24`	`Guerin`	`ftlog`
`13:10.24`	`abrotman`	`m4lu6: google "myrddin grub debian"`
`13:10.25`	`sep`	`m4lu6: no danger if you keep a boot floppy handy :)`
`13:10.28`	`hexxeh\|work`	`spanglesontoast, the answer is different depending on OSS or ALSA> decide which you want an answer for. they don't mix.`
`13:10.30`	`imahcine`	`spanglesontoast, dude, onboard sound is BAD. always.`
`13:10.30`	`jethro`	`m4lu6: come back with a better nick and see if it changes anything`
`13:10.33`	`imahcine`	`never EVER use it ;]`
`13:10.37`	`jethro`	`!nickometer m4lu6`
`13:10.38`	`streuner`	`spanglesontoast: just load the module for the soundcard you wanna run`
`13:10.38`	`badgers`	`'m4lu6' is 63.000% lame, jethro`
`13:10.39`	`imahcine`	`jethro, haha ;)`
`13:10.41`	`Guerin`	`i have a mobo with onboard sound which I just put into service as a 5.1 input`
`13:10.44`	`hja123`	`do ksensors and gdesklets do the same thing as lm_sensors and gkrellm?`
`13:10.46`	`abrotman`	`m4lu6: it should up with a decent little howto`
`13:10.46`	`imahcine`	`!nickometer imachine`
`13:10.46`	`badgers`	`'imachine' is 0.000% lame, imahcine`
`13:10.50`	`imahcine`	`yeah!`
`13:10.51`	`spanglesontoast`	`I want both soundcards`
`13:10.52`	`imahcine`	`F00!`
`13:10.52`	`imahcine`	`;]`
`13:10.53`	`Guerin`	`and I'm going out tomoorow and getting a real fucking sound card`
`13:10.59`	`abrotman`	`!tell imahcine about enter`
`13:11.02`	`spanglesontoast`	`ones for my headphones the other is for my 5.1`
`13:11.09`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, PLEASE. not that damn bot again.`
`13:11.12`	`abrotman`	`!tell imahcine about enter`
`13:11.13`	`streuner`	`spanglesontoast: You wanna hear stereo? ;-)`
`13:11.17`	`imahcine`	`that fucking thing is terribly annoying with its enter keys.`
`13:11.24`	`abrotman`	`so are you fuckhead`
`13:11.26`	`hexxeh\|work`	`hja123, ksensors and gdesklets present feedback from lm_sensors in a pleasant fashion. so, what did "sensors-detect" say?`
`13:11.28`	`spanglesontoast`	`5.1 is the one I want`
`13:11.33`	`vitriol`	`when i run dpkg-buildpackage i'm getting "found eof where expected first heading at /usr/lib/dpkg/parsechangelog/debian"`
`13:11.33`	`imahcine`	`!tell abrotman about not messeging me priv thank you very much.`
`13:11.34`	`spanglesontoast`	`and is on the motherboard`
`13:11.35`	`vitriol`	`any ideas?`
`13:11.38`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`13:11.49`	`*** mode/#debian [+mi] by debhelper`
`13:12.22`	`*** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ`
`13:12.24`	`caphuso`	`damn`
`13:12.34`	`*** mode/#debian [-mi] by caphuso`
`13:12.34`	`Guerin`	`i see no inconvenience`
`13:12.40`	`spanglesontoast`	`same`
`13:12.42`	`abrotman`	`that was great .. do it again!`
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`13:12.43`	`Guerin`	`I just see everyone stop talking`
`13:12.55`	`resiak`	`What the hell triggered that?`
`13:12.59`	`spanglesontoast`	`anyways when I used gnome 2.8`
`13:13.00`	`Guerin`	`debhelper is a master of social engineering`
`13:13.12`	`caphuso`	`looks like don's bot box has problems`
`13:13.14`	`hexxeh\|work`	`i notice hja123 left. i wonder whether he ran sensors-detect, the 7th time i told him to`
`13:13.27`	`spanglesontoast`	`I could choose`
`13:13.30`	`spanglesontoast`	`now I cannot`
`13:13.36`	`Guerin`	`hexxeh\|work: unlikely`
`13:13.41`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, that was more than nice.`
`13:13.51`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, btw. dont message me priv with that bot. its abuse man.`
`13:13.53`	`abrotman`	`imahcine: kept you quiet for 30 seconds anyways`
`13:14.03`	`abrotman`	`imahcine: no .. actually .. it's not`
`13:14.07`	`aardvark`	`caphuso: it looks like rzlab is having connectivity issues`
`13:14.10`	`imahcine`	`hehe.`
`13:14.19`	`abrotman`	`if you don't like it .. don't allow msg's`
`13:14.22`	`caphuso`	`aardvark: indeed`
`13:14.32`	`jethro`	`abrotman & imahcine just ignore each other for everyone's good`
`13:14.36`	`resiak`	`imahcine: If you were to stop scrolling the channel ... then you wouldn't get badgers /msging you.`
`13:14.45`	`abrotman`	`jethro: i'm gonna kick your bloody ass! :)`
`13:14.45`	`hexxeh\|work`	`argh! snake!`
`13:14.50`	`caphuso`	`i'd say do and !ops in case debhelper fucks up again, but ...`
`13:14.50`	`vitriol`	`wtf where is dpkg`
`13:14.52`	`vitriol`	`:/`
`13:14.52`	`Guerin`	`imahcine: you could just not be stupid`
`13:14.53`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, it surprises me how people with a real name in ircname still do behave like if theyre 14 ;)`
`13:14.55`	`Guerin`	`i mean`
`13:14.57`	`m4lu6`	`abrotman, great How-to. Thanks.`
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`13:15.00`	`Guerin`	`it's just a suggestion`
`13:15.03`	`abrotman`	`imahcine: i am 14`
`13:15.03`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 787] by debhelper`
`13:15.05`	`imahcine`	`Guerin, you could just suck my dick :)`
`13:15.05`	`jethro`	`abrotman: :)`
`13:15.09`	`resiak`	`abrotman: a/s/l?`
`13:15.10`	`hexxeh\|work`	`!dachs resiak`
`13:15.12`	`imahcine`	`please. i do not mean harm.`
`13:15.12`	`badgers`	`resiak: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange!`
`13:15.12`	`Guerin`	`imahcine: i could, had you one`
`13:15.14`	`abrotman`	`resiak: b!`
`13:15.18`	`imahcine`	`Guerin, i do.`
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`13:15.28`	`hexxeh\|work`	`!test`
`13:15.29`	`badgers`	`No, hexxeh\|work, you're not online any more.`
`13:15.33`	`imahcine`	`for 20 years of my short life :)`
`13:15.34`	`hexxeh\|work`	`not you, silly bot`
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`13:15.38`	`jethro`	`imahcine: stop that it's being boring`
`13:15.40`	`hexxeh\|work`	`dpkg, test`
`13:15.42`	`abrotman`	`hey .. dpkg lives!`
`13:15.44`	`imahcine`	`jethro, indeed.`
`13:15.47`	`Guerin`	`imahcine: itym 12`
`13:15.47`	`abrotman`	`erm .. maybe`
`13:15.50`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: fart`
`13:15.52`	`dpkg`	`Yes, hexxeh\|work, you're still online.`
`13:15.56`	`abrotman`	`he's slow`
`13:15.56`	`imahcine`	`jethro, my sugar level aparently managed to rise slightly.`
`13:15.58`	`dpkg`	`Yes, hexxeh\|work, you're still online.`
`13:16.01`	`simonrvn`	`@test2`
`13:16.01`	`abrotman`	`or the network is`
`13:16.03`	`ravenbird`	`No I'm not online anymore`
`13:16.09`	`imahcine`	`jethro, im okay now. i guess im not ready for kids of my own yet ;)`
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`13:16.30`	`simonrvn`	`~test`
`13:16.31`	`apt`	`Test Failed!`
`13:16.42`	`sven`	`i purposefully erased my status and status-old files from /var/lib/dpkg/, and when i do apt-get update, i get errors, of course. how can i reconstruct the status file?`
`13:17.02`	`hexxeh\|work`	`probably with dselect`
`13:17.21`	`caphuso`	`sven: "purposefully"?`
`13:17.21`	`sven`	`okay? hm.`
`13:17.30`	`Guerin`	`sven: why?`
`13:17.31`	`sven`	`caphuso: yes, i was trying to minimize a harddisk image`
`13:17.35`	`Guerin`	`eejit`
`13:17.39`	`caphuso`	`sven: you're fucking stupid`
`13:17.41`	`abrotman`	`Sven: btw .. that's a bad idea`
`13:17.43`	`treestone`	`sven: Start with copying back the latest file from your backup.`
`13:17.45`	`caphuso`	`seriously`
`13:17.53`	`Guerin`	`that's some funny shit`
`13:17.55`	`luulis`	`sven: IIRC some Debian docs describe one way to do it`
`13:18.04`	`jethro`	`OT: tried maps.google.com yet? :)`
`13:18.08`	`caphuso`	`sven: well, if you're lucky, you still got a /var/backups/dpkg.status.* file`
`13:18.09`	`sven`	`luulis: really? thanks, i'll try to find it`
`13:18.11`	`simonrvn`	`!listvals status`
`13:18.13`	`darxeth`	`samba is magic`
`13:18.18`	`abrotman`	`jethro: do you work there?`
`13:18.23`	`jethro`	`not at all`
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`13:18.31`	`Guerin`	`dselect might regenerate it`
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`13:18.37`	`caphuso`	`Guerin: hell, no`
`13:18.37`	`Guerin`	`dselect update, maybe`
`13:18.37`	`jethro`	`just read about it and tried it a minute ago`
`13:18.40`	`Guerin`	`no?`
`13:18.41`	`greycat`	`Guerin: that's available, not status.`
`13:18.43`	`treestone`	`Hm, the disk is a bit full, I think I'll remove that /bin directory.. probably nothing important there.`
`13:18.48`	`Guerin`	`ok, I'm wrong.`
`13:18.49`	`caphuso`	`status file is the IMPORTANT one`
`13:18.58`	`greycat`	`treestone: I had a customer on an AIX box remove /usr/lib once.`
`13:19.03`	`treestone`	`lol`
`13:19.03`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'status' by value returned no results.`
`13:19.05`	`streuner`	`dpkg, listkeys avaiable`
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`13:19.12`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'avaiable' by key returned no results.`
`13:19.15`	`streuner`	`dpkg, listkeys available`
`13:19.21`	`Guerin`	`dpkg ain't here`
`13:19.21`	`*** part/#debian nny[BoD] (~nny@pD955D455.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`13:19.21`	`greycat`	`dpkg, flw33 is <sven> i purposefully erased my status and status-old files from /var/lib/dpkg/, and when i do apt-get update, i get errors, of course. how can i reconstruct the status file?`
`13:19.23`	`Guerin`	`it's badgers`
`13:19.27`	`Guerin`	`oh`
`13:19.27`	`greycat`	`dpkg, famous last words =~ s/32/32\|33/`
`13:19.29`	`Guerin`	`dpkg is here`
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`13:20.00`	`streuner`	`but it lacks`
`13:20.04`	`hidiho`	`hmm whats the best way to view a file that begins with -?`
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`13:20.12`	`Guerin`	`hidiho: ./`
`13:20.29`	`jethro`	`hidiho: vi -- -foo`
`13:20.29`	`jethro`	`hi`
`13:20.31`	`sven`	`hidiho: you usually terminate the options with '--', so someprog -- -foo`
`13:20.38`	`hidiho`	`so cat ./-?`
`13:20.40`	`jethro`	`hidiho: or <command> -- -foofile`
`13:20.49`	`resiak`	`Or indeed ./-foofile`
`13:20.53`	`resiak`	`The ways are numerous!`
`13:20.54`	`caphuso`	`or "mv -- -file sanefilename"`
`13:20.59`	`jethro`	`timtowdi!`
`13:21.15`	`caphuso`	`but mine is the best ;-)`
`13:21.23`	`greycat`	`!test`
`13:21.26`	`resiak`	`* LET THE FLAMEWARS COMMENCE *`
`13:21.36`	`aardvark`	`hm.`
`13:21.42`	`hidiho`	`thanks`
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`13:22.28`	`greycat`	`@punish dpkg for not being alive`
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`13:22.48`	`hidiho`	`what exactly does -- do?`
`13:22.57`	`greycat`	`hidiho: means "everything after this is a file name"`
`13:22.59`	`simonrvn`	`end of options`
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`13:23.10`	`sml`	`hidiho: says not to treat the next thing as a switch`
`13:23.10`	`abrotman`	`hopefully kills the idiot who named a file beginning with "-"`
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`13:23.33`	`simonrvn`	`abrotman: nah, you need the -->`
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`13:23.39`	`abrotman`	`simonrvn: heh`
`13:23.43`	`greycat`	`abrotman: touch $'foo\nrm -rf .\nbar'`
`13:23.48`	`sml`	`abrotman: i remember reading about Simon Garfinkel using some trojan based on him creating a file with - preceding and getting the admin to come along and delete it. cant remember quite what he did now.`
`13:23.53`	`abrotman`	`greycat: no way`
`13:23.58`	`hidiho`	`and that can be implemented for any command that relates to files?`
`13:24.01`	`jez`	`I'm having problems with the stty command. I try 'stty erase ^B', yet ctrl-B still doesn't erase a character!`
`13:24.07`	`sml`	`abrotman: but straight after he had r00t.`
`13:24.10`	`vitriol`	`ok, i'm only getting 6 hits on google for this, and none of them are relevant, so i'll ask again:`
`13:24.17`	`vitriol`	`when i run dpkg-buildpackage i'm getting "found eof where expected first heading at /usr/lib/dpkg/parsechangelog/debian"`
`13:24.24`	`abrotman`	`sml: you read weird books :)`
`13:24.27`	`caphuso`	`hidiho: all that follow the basic unix way`
`13:24.30`	`vitriol`	`anybody know how to fix that?`
`13:24.38`	`hidiho`	`thanks guys :-)`
`13:24.59`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 793] by debhelper`
`13:25.12`	`abrotman`	`vitriol: are you trying to build your own package or rebuild another?`
`13:25.20`	`greycat`	`jez: that appears to be a shell issue. When I try it in bash, it "doesn't work", but when I try it in HP-UX's /bin/sh, it works.`
`13:25.24`	`sml`	`abrotman: eCommerce and Computer Security by Simon Garfinkel and someone else and of course pratical internet security and building internet firewalls. read them all a few times over.`
`13:25.32`	`greycat`	`jez: so bash must be doing its own "magic" there.`
`13:25.41`	`jez`	`grey: :-\`
`13:25.44`	`sml`	`abrotman: currently im reading Stephen King's The Stand UNCUT edition. Slightly easier to read ;)`
`13:25.45`	`abrotman`	`sml: i heard of him .. he made a bunch of hippie music albums :)`
`13:25.51`	`sml`	`abrotman: lmao. yeah.`
`13:25.55`	`aardvark`	`dpkg: wake up`
`13:26.05`	`abrotman`	`sml: bah .. i'm reading People's History of the United States`
`13:26.08`	`simonrvn`	`yeh, i'm gonna want to have coloc at a place called secure-domain.com that's vulnerable to formmail spam...`
`13:26.16`	`jez`	`grey: perhaps it is safe to assume ^H and ^U for erase char/line in bash then?`
`13:26.18`	`abrotman`	`sml: and yes .. for fun :)`
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`13:26.31`	`greycat`	`@wb badgers`
`13:26.33`	`ravenbird`	`Welcome back badgers, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos.`
`13:26.40`	`vitriol`	`abrotman, i'm using someone elses package they built themselves...(this is enlightenment cvs)`
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`13:27.02`	`abrotman`	`vitriol: erm .. you can try #debian-mentors .. but i'm not sure you'll get much help there`
`13:27.12`	`jm_`	`jez: are you using bash?`
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`13:27.21`	`jez`	`yeah.`
`13:27.23`	`vitriol`	`abrotman, thanks i'll at least give it a try there`
`13:27.41`	`caphuso`	`greycat's filename messes up bash3 programmable completion... what a surprise`
`13:27.47`	`jm_`	`then bind it in bash`
`13:27.48`	`jez`	`trouble is, im writing a program and i'd like to kind of guarantee that its erase/eraseline functions work`
`13:28.01`	`jez`	`so it couldnt rely on bash`
`13:28.04`	`sml`	`abrotman: and you say im weird ;)`
`13:28.18`	`jm_`	`then you'll have to handle ^b in your program`
`13:28.19`	`abrotman`	`sml: because i'm reading that book?`
`13:28.25`	`greycat`	`caphuso: it's intended as a stress-test for naive newbie shell scripts...`
`13:28.29`	`sml`	`abrotman: coz you're reading it for fun.`
`13:28.33`	`sml`	`abrotman: must be ONE LARGE book`
`13:28.36`	`greycat`	`caphuso: I don't use any advanced completion crap`
`13:28.41`	`abrotman`	`sml: dunno if you're .us .. but it's a sick damn book .. humans in general are fucking prick bastards :)`
`13:28.48`	`caphuso`	`greycat: i figured that out all by myself`
`13:28.50`	`sml`	`I'd rather read the people's history of the Easter Islands. Might actually finish that one ;)`
`13:29.06`	`\|XO\|`	`i see trees of green...red roses too....i see them bloom for me and you...and i think to myself what a wonderful world....`
`13:29.10`	`sml`	`abrotman: Don't tell me man, I'm a professional cynic.`
`13:29.22`	`overflow`	`Hi, which is the tool that construct the debian/ base skeleton for new packages?`
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`13:29.27`	`sml`	`\|XO\|: The Guiness Advert.`
`13:29.32`	`aardvark`	`!bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158`
`13:29.34`	`abrotman`	`sml: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0582772834/qid=1112880557/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_11_1/202-7031650-9284643`
`13:29.42`	`\|XO\|`	`sml: yup :)`
`13:29.43`	`greycat`	`sml: or the scene from Bowling for Columbine`
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`13:30.06`	`Guerin`	`sml: or, perhaps, the song as sung by Louis Armstrong`
`13:30.06`	`abrotman`	`sml: i noticed you're .uk .. but you'd probably be the only person in .uk to read that book . and then you can bash .us people appropriately`
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`13:30.13`	`greycat`	`Guerin: who? ;-) ;-)`
`13:30.24`	`abrotman`	`the astronut!`
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`13:30.27`	`greycat`	`heh`
`13:30.34`	`abrotman`	`oh .. that guy isn't here`
`13:30.47`	`greycat`	`!test`
`13:30.48`	`badgers`	`Yes, greycat, you're still online.`
`13:30.54`	`greycat`	`!badgersnack`
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`13:31.03`	`Guerin`	`greycat: silly me, music from the last century`
`13:31.08`	`aardvark`	`!britsnack`
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`13:31.19`	`Guerin`	`greycat: and did you REALLY mean to make TWO winking smilies?`
`13:31.22`	`greycat`	`Guerin: of course I know perfectly well who Louis Armstrong is... hence the double winks`
`13:31.26`	`Guerin`	`that's excessive`
`13:31.31`	`jethro`	`eh`
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`13:31.47`	`Guerin`	`greycat: :) ;)`
`13:31.49`	`asg`	`Guerin: that's just you beer goggling`
`13:31.55`	`Guerin`	`nope`
`13:31.57`	`Guerin`	`no beer here`
`13:31.57`	`marinos`	`anybody knows an editor for utf8 greek charcters ?`
`13:32.00`	`Guerin`	`nosirree`
`13:32.06`	`Guerin`	`marinos: emacs`
`13:32.11`	`jethro`	`did armstrong even sing ? thought he only played the trumpet`
`13:32.12`	`greycat`	`!badgersnack is <reply> Mmmm... (roasted\|boiled\|fried\|baked) newbie!`
`13:32.12`	`badgers`	`okay, greycat`
`13:32.19`	`eye69`	`marinos: vim`
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`13:32.40`	`kneet`	`greycat - surely baked is best?`
`13:32.50`	`kneet`	`Find the others a little crispy`
`13:32.52`	`marinos`	`eye69: that means i need an utf8 terminal emu`
`13:32.56`	`si\|vercat`	`this is weird.. I changed the default locale from nb_no-8859-15 to UTF-8 and now I get weird characters in most terminals..`
`13:33.07`	`greycat`	`kneet: boiled isn't crispy.`
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`13:33.10`	`hexxeh\|work`	`si\|vercat, run "unicode_start" in those terminals`
`13:33.16`	`badgers`	`could not reconnect to viper.pimpi.org:512`
`13:33.19`	`kneet`	`depends how long you forget it on the heat`
`13:33.33`	`si\|vercat`	`hexxeh\|work: it just says it's not a VT :(`
`13:33.44`	`si\|vercat`	`whatever that means`
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`13:34.06`	`si\|vercat`	`I didn't restart screen though.. maybe I'll try that :P`
`13:34.16`	`si\|vercat`	`brb`
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`13:34.40`	`stew`	`yeah screen isn't a vt which he is discovering now`
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`13:35.51`	`pif`	`hi, when I rebuild a package from source it is always upgraded at the next "apt-get upgrade", how can avoir that?`
`13:36.04`	`jethro`	`pif: set it on hold`
`13:36.07`	`streuner`	`pif: /msg badgers hold`
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`13:39.44`	`jc-denton`	`how can i check/fix/rebuild the partition table of a hd?`
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`13:40.04`	`treestone`	`jc-denton: apt-get install testdisk`
`13:40.19`	`jc-denton`	`ic`
`13:40.20`	`jc-denton`	`thx`
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`13:41.28`	`alele`	`how can i share windows users (ad) in linux?`
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`13:41.44`	`jc-denton`	`treestone: it's on a woody system`
`13:41.49`	`jc-denton`	`no testdisk there :(`
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`13:42.45`	`jethro`	`alele: read the samba/ldap howto`
`13:43.14`	`treestone`	`jc-denton: You could boot a knoppix CD and use its testdisk`
`13:43.47`	`jc-denton`	`ok`
`13:44.31`	`treestone`	`jc-denton: I recovered a partition table on a system with the help of a knoppix cd and testdisk.`
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`13:45.24`	`Coke`	`alele: what do you mean "share users" ?`
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`13:46.02`	`alele`	`Coke: i have a lab with linux workstation but all my users are in AD`
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`13:46.10`	`gypsymauro`	`sorry, there is an howto on how to manage in an "human" way removable devices with debian+gnome (or kde) ? like mounting floppies and automount usb keys`
`13:46.12`	`kang1`	`anyone here using lm_sensors and gkrellm?`
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`13:46.23`	`jm_`	`kang1: yes`
`13:46.26`	`jethro`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:46.29`	`streuner`	`kang1: just ask`
`13:46.36`	`alele`	`jethro: yes`
`13:47.00`	`jethro`	`alele: then look at pam_ldap nss_ldap, you can have them both retrieve information from an AD server`
`13:47.02`	`Coke`	`alele: the setup I use here is that all users are in LDAP and krb5 for authentication.`
`13:47.02`	`kang1`	`i ve installed both but still cannot monitor the temps and voltages.`
`13:47.18`	`Coke`	`alele: it works over linux, osx and windows clients here.`
`13:47.32`	`Coke`	`alele: although, I don't know how it works in Windows`
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`13:47.38`	`jethro`	`Coke: is your directory server ms AD ?`
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`13:47.43`	`Coke`	`jethro: no`
`13:47.44`	`jm_`	`kang1: run sensors, check if it reports anything`
`13:47.46`	`Coke`	`OpenLDAP`
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`13:48.04`	`jethro`	`heh openldap is easier to deal with :)`
`13:48.06`	`Coke`	`alele: we use OpenLDAP and not MS AD`
`13:48.12`	`Coke`	`alele: make the switch`
`13:48.20`	`Rawplayer`	`!chroot`
`13:48.20`	`badgers`	`methinks chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot`
`13:48.32`	`Coke`	`jethro: ofcourse. it's the real thing.`
`13:48.33`	`abrotman`	`sml: did you order it?`
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`13:48.48`	`Rawplayer`	`is it possible to have no dirs in a users chroot`
`13:48.50`	`kang1`	`jm_: did it before. threw out a lot of things. what to look for?`
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`13:49.46`	`jm_`	`kang1: things like temperatures and voltages?`
`13:50.11`	`kang1`	`jm_:what about them?`
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`13:50.32`	`jm_`	`kang1: did sensors command report them?`
`13:50.48`	`aardvark`	`in soviet russia, sensors report you`
`13:50.56`	`kang1`	`jm_: yep`
`13:51.05`	`jm_`	`kang1: then you need to learn how to configure gkrellm`
`13:51.07`	`sml`	`abrotman: order what ?`
`13:51.11`	`jethro`	`alele: just google for linux authenticate active directory and you'll get loads of userfull links`
`13:51.15`	`abrotman`	`sml: the book i linked you ..`
`13:51.22`	`abrotman`	`jeez .. noone reads their messages`
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`13:51.34`	`alele`	`Coke: could i share ldap with AD?`
`13:51.51`	`sml`	`abrotman: irssi didn't higlight your nick so i didn't see the link`
`13:51.53`	`dronchik`	`hi guys, anybody can help me with evolution mail notification? it dont notificate me when email arrives, no beep!`
`13:52.03`	`abrotman`	`sml: it would highlight yours :)`
`13:52.13`	`kang1`	`in the gkrellm config for sensors, it was indicated that data from sensors not available.`
`13:52.20`	`jethro`	`alele: you could either replace your AD with openldap, or use your AD as the direcotry server`
`13:52.28`	`sml`	`abrotman: hey, ever heard of TINY URL! ;) im taking a look`
`13:52.36`	`Lorvija`	`hmm i have php4 installed but how can i run php commands in commandline with "php file.php" ?`
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`13:53.10`	`asg`	`Lorvija: install php4-cgi`
`13:53.11`	`abrotman`	`sml: i didn't think it would be that big`
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`13:53.14`	`sc`	`do somebody use ifupdown with mapping? it does not work after update.`
`13:53.19`	`sml`	`abrotman: that's what she said last night!`
`13:53.28`	`Lorvija`	`asg hm does it matter that i have php already installed?`
`13:53.29`	`abrotman`	`sml: i don't wanna know`
`13:53.32`	`asg`	`Lorvija: no`
`13:53.32`	`sml`	`abrotman: LOL`
`13:53.32`	`streuner`	`sc: sid?`
`13:53.38`	`sc`	`streuner: yes`
`13:53.38`	`Lorvija`	`asg ok thanks`
`13:53.45`	`streuner`	`sc: what BTS say?`
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`13:54.02`	`sc`	`streuner: nothing about the problem I have`
`13:54.04`	`streuner`	`sc: there were issues last time...`
`13:54.04`	`sml`	`abrotman: That book looks like heavy reading. THe heaviest going book i've ever read (apart from the TeX manual) is Alice in Wonderland.`
`13:54.10`	`streuner`	`sc: so report it then`
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`13:54.27`	`abrotman`	`sml: it is .. and involves a lot of issues .. but helps you understand why our country is such a mess :)`
`13:54.29`	`anhi`	`anyone having problems with firefox in debian/sid? mine freezes after a few secs`
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`13:54.54`	`asg`	`anhi: it's been running fine since this morning's update (3 hours ago)`
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`13:55.00`	`sc`	`streuner: OK, I do not want to open unusefull bugs`
`13:55.03`	`sml`	`anhi: probably because you're using sid.`
`13:55.18`	`anhi`	`asg: you running sid too ?`
`13:55.20`	`abrotman`	`anhi: check the bts`
`13:55.23`	`asg`	`anhi: yes`
`13:55.29`	`abrotman`	`anhi: you did check the bts before asking us right?`
`13:55.29`	`thingfish`	`anhi: I've not been having any problems with it.`
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`13:55.30`	`streuner`	`sc: if you didn't change something on the configuration, i would report the bug`
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`13:55.45`	`sml`	`anhi: yeah thre's been some updates to fix a flaw that allows 10k of memory to be read using a javascript vuln.`
`13:55.47`	`sc`	`streuner: OK`
`13:56.11`	`jc-denton`	`thx a lot testdisk worked perfect`
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`13:56.48`	`anhi`	`well, mine worked fine too for quite a while, but now it freezes no matter what WM i use`
`13:57.11`	`dronchik`	`ok, anybody knows how to enable system beep for evolution mail notification?`
`13:57.12`	`asg`	`anhi: start disabling any plugins you might have (I'm not running any so that might be the cause of your problem.)`
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`13:57.20`	`abrotman`	`anhi: did you check the bts?`
`13:57.24`	`possie`	`how can i see if "Extended Attributes" is enabled on my current filesystem?`
`13:57.42`	`asg`	`possie: lsattr foo`
`13:57.49`	`anhi`	`abrotman: i'm sorry but i dont know how, i only checked with gdb but it didn't help`
`13:57.53`	`nils_`	`hello, does anybody know wheather it is possible to use an usb-wlan adapter with prism gt chipset?`
`13:58.08`	`Becca`	`Is there a way I can force a program to only have access to so much memory on the computer?`
`13:58.35`	`asg`	`Becca: help ulimit`
`13:58.45`	`Becca`	`Thanks asg`
`13:58.50`	`_joey`	`could someone recommend a program to monitor traffic specific to service and applications ?`
`13:58.56`	`abrotman`	`!tell anhi about bts`
`13:59.12`	`sml`	`_joey: tcpdump`
`13:59.15`	`anhi`	`abrotman: thanks`
`13:59.28`	`Becca`	`Asg: Not what I want, unfortunately... I need the program to function.`
`13:59.30`	`_joey`	`not this one, not suitable`
`13:59.37`	`Becca`	`Though, that MIGHT be useful for getting the thing to shut down`
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`13:59.51`	`hoe`	`how can I upgrade woody to sarge which I have on dvds, but the notebook doesn't have a dvdrom ? //tried mounting via nfs, but woody's apt-setup want to point to cdrom's device file like /dev/cdrom`
`13:59.59`	`_joey`	`traffic/bandwidth etc`
`14:00.21`	`abrotman`	`mrtg`
`14:00.34`	`greycat`	`hoe: use a 'file:' source, and point to where you mounted the NFS share`
`14:00.39`	`greycat`	`hoe: man sources.list`
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`14:01.21`	`possie`	`asg: thanks, i thought it was something that needed to be giving while mounting, just like acl's`
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`14:01.30`	`_joey`	`has anyone tried mrtg ?`
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`14:01.41`	`Dongdong`	`hello`
`14:01.54`	`asg`	`possie: no, the extended attrs for ext2, ext3, and a few others are builtin during kernel configuration.`
`14:02.12`	`kikinovak`	`Hi. I have an Intel Celeron 2.4 GHz processor. Now which entry would that be in the "processor type" menu for a 2.6 kernel recompile?`
`14:02.33`	`Dongdong`	`686`
`14:02.37`	`valdyn_`	`kikinovak: p4 Celeron`
`14:02.39`	`kikinovak`	`Dongdong thanks`
`14:02.44`	`_joey`	`Use prebuilt kernel`
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`14:02.57`	`greycat`	`kikinovak: if you have to ask that, you should NOT be building a kernel.`
`14:03.04`	`sml`	`lol`
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`14:03.32`	`hoe`	`greycat: there is 'directory' which didn't work for me (maybe I need to spec. the specific dir like pool/dists/?) among http,ftp,cdrom, mayb' I didn't pay attention to 'file', ty`
`14:03.36`	`_joey`	`9/10 times you shouldn't be building kernels anyway`
`14:03.40`	`jethro`	`!debian kernel image`
`14:03.41`	`badgers`	`< hexxeh\|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who didn't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason.`
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`14:03.58`	`_joey`	`:)`
`14:03.59`	`kikinovak`	`greycat Wisdom is not contained in our mothers' milk (Austrian saying)`
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`14:04.51`	`samuel`	`can anyone tell me how this is happening: i have a computer (with ip 192.168.1.16) that will ONLY answer to computers in the 192.168.1.* range... what did i do wrong?i want it to answer to ANY computer... any ideas plz`
`14:04.51`	`sml`	`jethro: the bots ;)`
`14:05.02`	`jethro`	`only 7 8 users here know what they do`
`14:05.06`	`sml`	`samuel: add a default route`
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`14:05.23`	`sml`	`i haven't recompiled a kernel since 2.0.x days.`
`14:05.25`	`Guerin`	`resiak: did it work?`
`14:05.34`	`greycat`	`kikinovak: did your mother's milk tell you to genetically engineer your own cow?`
`14:05.39`	`samuel`	`sml, hm?whats that?`
`14:05.40`	`jethro`	`I ve never used any kernel image , but for installing systems`
`14:05.43`	`greycat`	`kikinovak: or did it tell you "use the milk at the grocery store"?`
`14:05.47`	`sml`	`actually thats a small pork pie, I did compile one using genkernel on a gentoo box not long back but obviously I had no choice lol ;)`
`14:05.55`	`sml`	`samuel: man route.`
`14:06.00`	`resiak`	`Guerin: I did. The patch turned out to be wrong, so I manually fix0rized it. I now have no initrd :D`
`14:06.14`	`samuel`	`sml, thanks`
`14:06.16`	`greycat`	`jethro: I always built my own for a long time, too, until the Linux hackers finally admitted they're just second-rate hacks.`
`14:06.16`	`Guerin`	`resiak: you get to enter tha bessed 1%, then.`
`14:06.20`	`greycat`	`!kernel of instability`
`14:06.20`	`badgers`	`Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>`
`14:06.25`	`kikinovak`	`greycat Well it didn't tell me that my processor was "686".`
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`14:06.51`	`greycat`	`kikinovak: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686 (or -2.6-686, your choice)`
`14:06.51`	`hexxeh\|work`	`kikinovak, the processor is a pentium 4 celeron. select that, it's closer the mark than 686`
`14:06.55`	`Luser`	`I want to unzip all of my .zip files in a folder (there's literally hundreds of them), is there a simple way of doing this?`
`14:06.57`	`jethro`	`linux code is messy, that is a fact`
`14:06.58`	`sml`	`kikinovak: you can always look at /proc/* for cpu info`
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`14:07.06`	`greycat`	`Luser: for i in *.zip; do unzip "$i"; done`
`14:07.07`	`resiak`	`kikinovak: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686`
`14:07.09`	`kikinovak`	`greycat I'm a Slackware user:o) Mooooohahahahahaha.`
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`14:07.21`	`resiak`	`Kikkoman: _that_ tells you that your processor is 686`
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`14:07.36`	`sml`	`kikinovak: if you're compiling your own kernel you will want to take a look in proc (or lspci if you dont have proc) to get the info you need to compile your kernel.`
`14:07.37`	`resiak`	`Kikkoman: Sorry.`
`14:07.41`	`Kikkoman`	`np`
`14:07.43`	`Coke`	`jethro: everything is relative. have you seen the Windows XP kernel code?`
`14:07.49`	`greycat`	`sml: he trolled and ran`
`14:08.00`	`Stereo`	`hi folks`
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`14:08.21`	`Stereo`	`I just compiled a new kernel with support for my raid controller, and I think the order of my hard disks is changing`
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`14:08.29`	`sml`	`jethro: i've actually read some of the kernel code , I love.. just love reading the comments.`
`14:08.39`	`Stereo`	`so my root is no longer on /dev/hdb2 but somewhere wild and unknown`
`14:08.47`	`Stereo`	`is there any smart way to find out where?`
`14:08.50`	`jethro`	`sml: stuff like "I don't know why it behaves that way, but it does" or "this is shite" ?`
`14:09.02`	`hexxeh\|work`	`Stereo, does this involve SATA in any way?`
`14:09.14`	`sml`	`jethro: LOL... stuff in the netfilter code about evil bits being sent to hell and such like`
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`14:09.16`	`jethro`	`Coke: I m comparing to other "free" systems`
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`14:09.26`	`sml`	`jethro: I should make a note of some of them.`
`14:09.35`	`jethro`	`Coke: read any BSD kernel code, and you'll know what I m talking about`
`14:09.45`	`valdyn_`	`Stereo: use brain, where is it if its on your 2nd controller`
`14:09.48`	`sml`	`jethro: sometimes it does say "i dont know why i do this here but it seems to be the best way unless anyone knows better?"`
`14:10.03`	`jethro`	`sml: that happens quite often :)`
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`14:10.19`	`_joey`	`is a nice application to monitor bandwidth specific to services/applications ?`
`14:10.23`	`jethro`	`sml: that and "this is ugly, but at least works that way" or similar stuff :)`
`14:10.24`	`Stereo`	`hexxeh\|work: no, plain old ATA`
`14:10.28`	`Coke`	`jethro: I know. And your statement only proves my point that it is relative. :)`
`14:10.33`	`jethro`	`_joey: iptraf`
`14:10.35`	`valdyn_`	`Stereo: grubs autocompletion is nice too..`
`14:10.42`	`sml`	`jethro: well im all for eXtreme programming myself. if a program needs comments it should be simplified because the code is too complex!`
`14:10.48`	`Stereo`	`valdyn_: autocompletion?`
`14:10.50`	`Stereo`	`brb`
`14:10.52`	`sml`	`jethro: ;)`
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`14:10.58`	`sml`	`!start paradigm war`
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`14:11.09`	`valdyn_`	`Stereo: tab-completetion`
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`14:11.50`	`anhi`	`asg: thanks, i found the problem, one of the locale extensions killed the others, moving a few dirs solved the problem`
`14:11.52`	`_joey`	`jethro I don't like it. it's ncurses based and only shows info for tcp and udp services`
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`14:12.09`	`jethro`	`_joey: try ntop then`
`14:12.18`	`xiaogil`	`Is there an equivalent of '\t'='tabulation' for 'any character', like '\$' or perhaps '\?' ?`
`14:12.32`	`Stereo`	`I'm actually not sure whether it'll be on my second controller or not`
`14:12.42`	`greycat`	`xiaogil: what are you trying to do?`
`14:12.42`	`asg`	`anhi: ah, cool`
`14:12.43`	`jethro`	`xiaogil: in a regex?`
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`14:12.55`	`sml`	`_joey: to monitor bandwidth use ntop`
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`14:13.08`	`sml`	`oops sorry jethro didn't see you'd already replied.`
`14:13.10`	`_joey`	`oki doki`
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`14:13.21`	`jethro`	`sml: no pb`
`14:13.29`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: to make replacement in gedit`
`14:13.29`	`sml`	`_joey: you could also get iptables logging to peform the same thing..`
`14:13.36`	`valdyn_`	`Stereo: primary slave 1st controller = hdb, primary slave 2nd controller=hdf`
`14:13.43`	`xiaogil`	`jethro: i don't know...`
`14:13.50`	`sml`	`_joey: but you'd have to do it yourself. ipref will show you b/w availability too.`
`14:14.16`	`sml`	`iperf even`
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`14:14.54`	`shadow00`	`is there anyway with vnc to see what is currently running on your desktop?`
`14:14.57`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: i try to look for a tabulation, I can use \t in gedit, so I'd like to know what code is it to look for any character`
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`14:15.04`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: do you know it ?`
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`14:15.08`	`greycat`	`"in gedit". /me passes.`
`14:15.13`	`greycat`	`no, I don't know anything about gedit.`
`14:15.15`	`nagual`	`shadow00: you open up a terminal and type 'ps auxww'`
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`14:15.34`	`jethro`	`xiaogil: it should be '.'`
`14:15.39`	`shadow00`	`that's not what I mean I have some apps running that I want to bring up....`
`14:15.40`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: those codes are the same in open office and many other text editors`
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`14:15.47`	`greycat`	`xiaogil: you're full of shit.`
`14:15.54`	`jethro`	`heh`
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`14:16.11`	`nagual`	`shadow00: you cant alt-tab, so your windowmanager needs to be able to handle it.`
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`14:16.36`	`netbrain`	`how can i undelete files on ext3 filesystem?`
`14:16.39`	`xiaogil`	`jethro: no, it doesn't work`
`14:16.44`	`asg`	`netbrain: restore from backups`
`14:16.53`	`treestone`	`netbrain: You can't undelete on ext3 (unlike ext2)`
`14:16.55`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: be polite please`
`14:16.56`	`Stereo`	`valdyn_: but is there a way to get lilo or grub or whatever to try the two in that order?`
`14:16.59`	`netbrain`	`yeah..well.. if the backups were deleted too?`
`14:17.06`	`jethro`	`xiaogil: then use a decent too, like sed, to replace characters/strings in text streams`
`14:17.09`	`greycat`	`if this editor of yours is using standard non-extended regexes (a la grep), then you MIGHT be able to assume that . is the standard wildcard character, just like in grep, which you should have known, because this is UNIX, for god's sake, and you should KNOW how to use the basic standard tools like grep.`
`14:17.10`	`jethro`	`s/too/tool/`
`14:17.12`	`asg`	`netbrain: tough cookies I'm afraid`
`14:17.14`	`sml`	`treestone: and even undeleting on ext2 is hit-n-miss.`
`14:17.22`	`netbrain`	`no. undeletion tool?!`
`14:17.37`	`asg`	`netbrain: no, that's what backups are for`
`14:17.45`	`hexxeh\|work`	`greycat, the OPEN group would dispute that "this is UNIX" statement`
`14:17.58`	`hexxeh\|work`	`greycat, though SCO would agree with your summation`
`14:18.03`	`jethro`	`ah`
`14:18.04`	`asg`	`netbrain: you could write a wrapper around rm to do such things.`
`14:18.06`	`treestone`	`sml: Oh, it works well enough, provided you haven't used the filesystem much after you deleted the file -- obviously.`
`14:18.15`	`valdyn_`	`Stereo: no i dont think so`
`14:18.27`	`xiaogil`	`what's the equivalent of "any character" in grep ?`
`14:18.35`	`sml`	`treestone: which on a fileserver would be v. unlikely ;)`
`14:18.37`	`Guerin`	`xiaogil: read above`
`14:18.42`	`sml`	`single user machine and you're prolly fine.`
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`14:18.45`	`jethro`	`xiaogil: would you mind reading what you're being told?`
`14:18.49`	`sml`	`jsut dont issue sync!`
`14:18.50`	`sml`	`hehe`
`14:18.50`	`greycat`	`hexxeh\|work: sorry, I meant UNIX as in "shouting the word unix", not as in "UNIX(tm)(R)"`
`14:19.02`	`hexxeh\|work`	`greycat, you missed (c)`
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`14:19.22`	`asg`	`hexxeh\|work: and (skin-scraping from the back of the neck)`
`14:19.29`	`xiaogil`	`ok, so it's a dot...`
`14:19.51`	`greycat`	`xiaogil: read regex(7)`
`14:19.52`	`treestone`	`sml: Not the fault of ext2. Of course it can only undelete files for a limited period, which is also the case of msdos, and CP/M filesystems (the latter just replaced the first character of a file with '?' to 'delete' it)`
`14:19.59`	`Stereo`	`valdyn_: ok, I'll just have to get to the box if it borks. Cheers!`
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`14:20.21`	`rickdangerous`	`heh man man`
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`14:20.36`	`Stereo`	`treestone: what happened when you started a file with a ? yourself, did it escape the ? ?`
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`14:21.00`	`treestone`	`Stereo: It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure you couldn't give a file any name you wanted in CP/M`
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`14:21.36`	`asg`	`jethro: if you use gman, then the govmint will have to kill you`
`14:21.40`	`Stereo`	`on old mac os, you couldn't put a / or a : in a file name`
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`14:21.46`	`jethro`	`asg: I don't, but xiaogil might :)`
`14:21.51`	`asg`	`hah`
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`14:22.18`	`sml`	`treestone: msdos only deletes a character from the fat table to show that its space can be re-used does it not ?`
`14:22.26`	`greycat`	`treestone: well, MS-DOS definitely had quite a few "forbidden" characters. I missed CP/M by a few years.`
`14:22.36`	`shaman`	`Hi all... anyone knows where to find good info on securing openssh (on sarge) since i'm going crazy trying to make it not use typed passwords ?`
`14:22.36`	`sml`	`treestone: so if you know the filename you can retrieve it.`
`14:23.00`	`treestone`	`Stereo: I once wrote a tool to help some business guy restore his CP/M (actually MP/M) filesystem.. he had deleted everything by accident.. he was an accountant for other companies). About msdos, I don't remember exactly how it was done, but it was simple in any case.`
`14:23.17`	`jethro`	`is there a pubkey auth one liner in one of the bots?`
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`14:23.27`	`drac`	`shaman: http://www.debiansec.com/linux/services/ssh.html#installation`
`14:23.49`	`shaman`	`thank you drac.`
`14:24.29`	`greycat`	`jethro: I usually tell them to read man ssh-keygen`
`14:24.42`	`greycat`	`jethro: that man page is from openbsd, and is therefore useful`
`14:25.12`	`jethro`	`greycat: good point`
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`14:25.25`	`sml`	`you only need to keygen create a .ssh, ftp your public key to the remote host and voila.`
`14:25.25`	`treestone`	`sml: Norton utilities would list 'deleted' files for you in msdos, the first character would be a '?' and you could replace it with something else. So you didn't have to know what it used to be. Actually that sounds just like CP/M (it's coming back to me now)`
`14:25.38`	`xk`	`sml: ftp it? why not scp/sftp`
`14:25.39`	`jethro`	`drac: your link does not tell how to create keys, that's sad cause it's the only lacking info`
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`14:25.59`	`shadfc`	`how would i find out if the sarge package for postfix-mysql supports mysql 4.1?`
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`14:26.08`	`sml`	`xk: or better use a floppy.. its only the PUBLIC KEY`
`14:26.14`	`sml`	`xk: so what if someone has it`
`14:26.41`	`greycat`	`ftp'ing it exposes you to a MITM attack (in theory)`
`14:26.42`	`xk`	`defeats to purpose of using CLEARTEXT FTP to send your PASSWORD`
`14:26.46`	`sml`	`the private key should never leave the host that it was created on, otherwise you may aswell assume its been compromised.`
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`14:27.11`	`jethro`	`duh`
`14:27.29`	`ISkywalker`	`does somebody use typo3?`
`14:27.30`	`jethro`	`greycat: mitm and plant your own pubkey? :)`
`14:27.36`	`sml`	`xk: i often use a temp ftp account , enable the ftp server, upload the file, stop the server , delete the account.. when xfering files.`
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`14:27.39`	`caphuso`	`sml: that makes backups kinda hard, doesn't it? :)`
`14:27.40`	`greycat`	`jethro: as I said, "in theory"`
`14:28.09`	`greycat`	`caphuso: it makes NFS mounted home dirs even harder. (Yes, I know, "man ssh-agent")`
`14:28.16`	`sml`	`xk: ftp is only weak if you DONT want the account to be compromised, or you have information that you DONT want other people to be able to sniff.`
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`14:28.22`	`jethro`	`greycat: does make sense indeed`
`14:28.43`	`sml`	`caphuso: well for anything continual you can use netcat , tar , ssh tunnel.`
`14:28.45`	`sml`	`caphuso: ;)`
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`14:29.09`	`sml`	`caphuso: i perform backups over a vpn ssh tunnel using pppd. works a treat.`
`14:29.19`	`jethro`	`omg`
`14:29.26`	`sml`	`if i use ftp and i need it to be secure i use vsftpd with X509 certificates.`
`14:29.45`	`sml`	`jethro: that's on a 2MB link`
`14:30.09`	`jethro`	`sml: why not just rsync over ssh , or plain scp ?`
`14:30.11`	`sml`	`jethro: that's if the omg was directed at me ;)`
`14:30.20`	`jethro`	`sml: it was :)`
`14:30.28`	`sml`	`jethro: rsync is v. useful and i do use it ;)`
`14:30.37`	`si\|vercat`	`so anyone got a clue about why I get a version mismatch when I'm trying to start x with nvidia module? I've checked the versions of the installed packages nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel with apt-cache policy, and they do match.`
`14:30.56`	`xiaogil`	`my system is in chinese, how can i have the "man grep" in french (the french language is installed of course) ?`
`14:30.56`	`jethro`	`stacking protocols must be affecting your performances :p`
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`14:31.15`	`jethro`	`xiaogil: set the LC_* variables`
`14:31.15`	`sml`	`jethro: i mean the ssh tunnel uses ppp devices and i actually do the ftp via the tunnel. not that i use pppd for the terminal control and use tar ;) that's crazy.`
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`14:31.56`	`jethro`	`sml: I thought you meant ppp over ssh to have a vpn, some people do that`
`14:32.07`	`xk`	`oakland: you're a local ;)`
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`14:32.58`	`jethro`	`si\|vercat: you kernel modules and the nvidia-glx are not in sync, m-a a-i nvidia should fix the problem if you had the -glx upgraded lately`
`14:33.13`	`sml`	`jethro: well the point is once the link is crypted (via whatever means) you suddenly have all the useful tools at your disposal again, and ftp isn't so much of a nightmare anymore.`
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`14:34.05`	`si\|vercat`	`jethro: I've tried that.. :(`
`14:34.06`	`sml`	`jethro: have you tried OpenVPN ?`
`14:34.12`	`shaman`	`how much secure is typing my password as a normal user over ssh2 ?`
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`14:34.19`	`sml`	`shaman: very.`
`14:34.30`	`jethro`	`shaman: the risk is not that someone can sniff it`
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`14:34.41`	`jethro`	`shaman: when using password auth , the risk is that someone can guess it`
`14:34.58`	`darkness`	`I've slightly ammended my usr/ssh/sshd_config file now ssh connections are refused which is suprissing as i've not done much. Can i go back to a default config?`
`14:35.24`	`sml`	`jethro: I always us http://www.linuxbuilt.com/passwords.php to generate my passwords`
`14:35.38`	`p8m`	`darkness: Just comment everything out :)`
`14:35.39`	`greycat`	`darkness: purge and reinstall the package`
`14:35.48`	`sml`	`jethro: and for gpg stuff i use the diceware method for passphrases on SSL certificates or gpg keys.`
`14:35.53`	`netbrain`	`so let me get this straight there ar no ext3 undeletion tools for linux out there?`
`14:35.54`	`xk`	`sml: and do you see random ssh connects just after you generate your passwd? :P`
`14:35.56`	`omort`	`is it possible to enable DMA for hard drives when the chipset driver is a module?`
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`14:36.02`	`sml`	`xk: lol`
`14:36.07`	`darkness`	`Will i need to look at man pages to purge the file or is it easy?`
`14:36.17`	`xk`	`they'd have to guess your username, heh.`
`14:36.19`	`sml`	`xk: that's just paranoia`
`14:36.24`	`sml`	`:)`
`14:36.28`	`greycat`	`darkness: dpkg --purge`
`14:36.28`	`jethro`	`sml: I dont use passwords`
`14:36.45`	`sml`	`jethro: me neither. i use key only authentication.`
`14:36.48`	`darkness`	`So dpkg --purge ssh?`
`14:36.51`	`toukitsune`	`Hello everyone. I am thinking of installing debian Sarge and Sid on a computer in a multi boot configuration. I was thinking of haveing a /home partition to have both mount to. is this a bad idea?`
`14:36.57`	`shaman`	`yes the password guessing is annoying... ;) i have a server on which there are some days a hundred of user/pass guessings... fortunately they did get the right ones...`
`14:37.06`	`greycat`	`toukitsune: no, it's a rather good one`
`14:37.08`	`nils_`	`recover - Undelete files on ext2 partitions`
`14:37.16`	`sml`	`jethro: but more because im lazy rather than the fact that i worry about people guessing my passwords which.. admitdetly would be impossible to brute force in this lifetime.`
`14:37.22`	`xk`	`toukitsune: it's a good one - I have i386 and amd64 as separate installations but share /home`
`14:37.25`	`si\|vercat`	`jethro: is there a way to clean up all this nvidia-mess and start over? :)`
`14:37.36`	`jethro`	`si\|vercat: apt-get remove --purge ?`
`14:37.38`	`toukitsune`	`ok I was just asking cause some people told me that could be a bad idea`
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`14:37.58`	`gourke`	`what mean 'ops'?`
`14:38.02`	`sml`	`xk: it reminds me of an artcile i read about who really own the open proxy's on the internet ;)`
`14:38.12`	`toukitsune`	`so what mount points can also be shared other then /tmp`
`14:38.21`	`shaman`	`sml: i like SecurePassword Generator extension for firefox...`
`14:38.45`	`sml`	`shaman: i like the useragent switcher ;) makes some sites "work"`
`14:38.46`	`sml`	`:)`
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`14:39.13`	`xk`	`is there a way to automatically switch useragents based on the url you visit?`
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`14:39.25`	`xk`	`well.. is there an extension that does that ;)`
`14:39.30`	`sml`	`xk: write your own ;)`
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`14:39.37`	`sml`	`xk: I dont think so at the mo though.`
`14:39.39`	`rickdangerous`	`xk, konqueror has that feature`
`14:39.40`	`sml`	`xk: would be nice!`
`14:39.43`	`xk`	`sml: not with that javascript ugliness.`
`14:39.51`	`shaman`	`;)`
`14:40.02`	`xk`	`I tried modifying the download dialog. and that was a nightmare.`
`14:40.02`	`sml`	`xk: well as of yesterday i had disabled javascript due to the new vuln.`
`14:40.04`	`_joey`	`ntop is what I wanted :)`
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`14:40.04`	`greycat`	`xk: I'd ask irc.mozilla.org#mozilla`
`14:40.13`	`toukitsune`	`are there any other mount points other then /tmp that can be shared?`
`14:40.23`	`toukitsune`	`errr /tmp and /home`
`14:40.31`	`greycat`	`toukitsune: swap partition`
`14:40.33`	`xk`	`toukitsune: /home and /tmp and swap partition...`
`14:40.40`	`Enolayale`	`alright, so I finally got my kernel and nvidia driver installed correctly, but when I try to boot it reads 'modprobe: fatal: could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep' so I read up and found depmod -a but don't I need to be using the kernel to use that?`
`14:40.41`	`xk`	`anything else... you're playing with fire`
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`14:41.08`	`xk`	`Enolayale: so why don't you continue to boot then run it?`
`14:41.15`	`xk`	`it should be run automatically from the boot scripts anyway.`
`14:41.21`	`Enolayale`	`xk: seems to get into a bit of a panic`
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`14:41.35`	`xk`	`so you compiled your own kernel?`
`14:41.37`	`shaman`	`toukitsune: i have a /backup mount point that err.. points to a secondary hard disk that i use for... backups ;)`
`14:41.44`	`Enolayale`	`xk: correctly I think ;P`
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`14:41.50`	`toukitsune`	`ok thanks. I was thinking of shareing as much as possible`
`14:42.15`	`xk`	`Enolayale: well... compiling your own and you getting a panic... means you made something not statically linked, or left it out entirely.`
`14:42.38`	`greycat`	`or he forgot the --initrd switch on his make-kpkg`
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`14:42.54`	`toukitsune`	`shaman: a /backup? is that something different then the standard fileing system? Sorry I am new to linux`
`14:42.58`	`Enolayale`	`greycat: hmm?`
`14:43.04`	`ron_`	`my eth1 constantly goes up and down (dmesg keeps adding messages like: eth1: link down, eth1: link up`
`14:43.15`	`ron_`	`I just tried a new kernel and a different network card`
`14:43.20`	`xk`	`Enolayale: how did you compile your IDE driver and FS driver (ext2?)`
`14:43.27`	`Enolayale`	`yes`
`14:43.27`	`greycat`	`!debian kernel image`
`14:43.28`	`shaman`	`toukitsune: yes yes this isn't standard... ;)`
`14:43.28`	`badgers`	`< hexxeh\|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who didn't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason.`
`14:43.41`	`xk`	`Enolayale: yes is an invalid answer to my question.`
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`14:44.00`	`Enolayale`	`xk: I did, but perhaps I left something in the IDE section out`
`14:44.03`	`toukitsune`	`shaman: it doesn't hurt things though right?`
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`14:44.40`	`Enolayale`	`I left -`
`14:44.52`	`ron_`	`anyone a clue what could be wrong?`
`14:45.11`	`sml`	`ron_: a faulty hub ?`
`14:45.17`	`valdyn_`	`ron_: your cable`
`14:45.21`	`xk`	`Enolayale: check /boot/config-<kernel version that's having probs> and show me the status of CONFIG_IDE, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK, CONFIG_EXT2_FS`
`14:45.23`	`sml`	`yeah or cable`
`14:45.29`	`sml`	`or switch! :P`
`14:45.32`	`xk`	`or the realtek :)`
`14:45.32`	`shaman`	`toukitsune: mhmm...i don't think... ;)`
`14:45.39`	`sml`	`or that pci slot!`
`14:45.44`	`sml`	`or it could be aliens !`
`14:45.46`	`Enolayale`	`ide/ata-2 disk support, amd and nvidia support and via82CXXX chipset support`
`14:45.48`	`xk`	`if it's a realtek... throw it out.`
`14:45.48`	`ron_`	`_sml: switch seems to work if I try between window$ machine and wireless access point`
`14:45.52`	`abrotman`	`ron_: bad cable ?`
`14:45.53`	`Enolayale`	`alright will do`
`14:46.00`	`ron_`	`valdyn_: tried different cables`
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`14:46.22`	`sml`	`ron_: you have a cron job that does ifdown;ifup ?`
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`14:46.27`	`sml`	`:)`
`14:46.33`	`ron_`	`sml_: :D nope....`
`14:46.48`	`sml`	`ok just going through the options ;)`
`14:47.24`	`sml`	`ron_: on ifconfig $IFACE do you see any errors reported ?`
`14:47.29`	`toukitsune`	`Oh another question. Can I install debian on XFS or do I have to install on ext3 and then copy to xfs or something like that`
`14:47.43`	`Enolayale`	`CONFIG_IDE=m`
`14:47.43`	`Enolayale`	`CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=m`
`14:47.55`	`ron_`	`sml: nope.... looks good`
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`14:48.04`	`xk`	`Enolayale: did you make the package with --initrd?`
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`14:48.19`	`valdyn_`	`ron_: wiggle it, see if that has an effect`
`14:48.21`	`Enolayale`	`xk: they're all there`
`14:48.34`	`xk`	`Enolayale: good luck booting it without --initrd`
`14:48.42`	`Enolayale`	`xk: in boot grublist it has it's own initrd`
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`14:49.05`	`xk`	`hrm... did you edit menu.lst yourself?`
`14:49.09`	`possie`	`anyone know a piece of linux software for text to speech ?`
`14:49.14`	`Enolayale`	`no`
`14:49.18`	`ron_`	`btw. some packets do come through.. ping -f <access point> gives a packet loss of 30% after 650 packets`
`14:49.28`	`xk`	`hrm... so I guess the package itself added the initrd line`
`14:49.35`	`asg`	`possie: flite, festival`
`14:49.50`	`johanski`	`hi guys, have a question regarding migrating from using lvm tools to mdadm`
`14:49.54`	`xk`	`Enolayale: you still didn't answer the question... did you compile the kernel package wiht --initrd or not`
`14:50.01`	`edibletext`	`ron_, do you have more then one instance of a dhcp client running?`
`14:50.02`	`greycat`	`xk: it's the update-grub magic thingy`
`14:50.12`	`nils_`	`Enolayale: maybe CONFIG_IDE=y and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y will help`
`14:50.16`	`prh`	`is p.d.o down?`
`14:50.28`	`xk`	`yea, I have never touched update-grub`
`14:50.29`	`caphuso`	`johanski: you can't do that, because lvm and mdadm do different things`
`14:50.29`	`greycat`	`prh: which p?`
`14:50.29`	`asg`	`!topicsmite prh`
`14:50.31`	`badgers`	`And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon prh. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.`
`14:50.32`	`Enolayale`	`nils_: would I need to recompile the kernel? or just change the config?`
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`14:50.42`	`xk`	`Enolayale: both.`
`14:50.43`	`rocky23`	`if there is a tos channel around please let me know and ill try there, but im trying to implement tos, and every time i run tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1: htb default 20 - it gives "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" ive got all the qos stuff enabled in the kernel and installed iproute iproute 20010824-8woody, i think it may be an iproute problem has anyone come across this and managed to solve it im running latest 2.6.11.6`
`14:50.45`	`ron_`	`I got a dhcpcd-bin running for eth0 and dhcpd for eth1`
`14:50.53`	`prh`	`badgers: pah :O)`
`14:50.54`	`badgers`	`i don't know, prh`
`14:50.54`	`greycat`	`Enolayale: just use a debian kernel-image.`
`14:50.55`	`johanski`	`caphuso: so i cant recreate the array with mdadm ?`
`14:50.56`	`xk`	`rocky23: #iptables maybe.`
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`14:51.15`	`Enolayale`	`greycat: the newest sarge k7 kernel takes 3 minutes to boot :P`
`14:51.24`	`xiaogil`	`What text editor for X does support regexp ?`
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`14:51.34`	`greycat`	`Enolayale: so? you boot, what, once every 6 months?`
`14:51.36`	`Enolayale`	`and I don't know how to install my nvidia driver for it correctly`
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`14:51.37`	`sml`	`xiaogil: xemacs ?`
`14:51.41`	`jethro`	`Enolayale: at least it works`
`14:51.42`	`rickdangerous`	`xiaogil, emacs`
`14:51.46`	`greycat`	`!nvidia one-liner`
`14:51.49`	`sml`	`xiaogil: mind you that's an operating system ;) lol (well almost)`
`14:51.55`	`greycat`	`dammit badgers!`
`14:52.03`	`xk`	`heh, what's up with dpkg?`
`14:52.10`	`greycat`	`xk: comatose, it seems`
`14:52.17`	`greycat`	`idle 93 minues`
`14:52.19`	`greycat`	`+t`
`14:52.19`	`rocky23`	`xk: yeah tried in there before, i guess i was just hoping more people have come across this error before except me :)`
`14:52.20`	`aardvark`	`meh?`
`14:52.44`	`greycat`	`dondelelcaro: dpkg is ailing...`
`14:52.46`	`xk`	`rocky23: I've had that error before... gave up on qos because it never worked.`
`14:52.50`	`sml`	`rocky23: you tried google ?`
`14:52.55`	`Enolayale`	`anyway, it's no big deal, I have the same kernel installed stock, just nvidia bs...`
`14:52.56`	`rocky23`	`sml: yes for ages :)`
`14:52.59`	`xk`	`rocky23: the debian package to do it was just... too complicated.`
`14:53.12`	`aardvark`	`greycat: don't blame badgers. it's dpkg's up-to-date database.`
`14:53.24`	`jethro`	`rocky23: you're on woody , with a 2.6.11.6 kernel and woody's iproute?`
`14:53.25`	`Enolayale`	`still, I did everything properly, I was stoked`
`14:53.30`	`caphuso`	`johanski: lvm uses arrays?`
`14:53.32`	`Noid`	`rocky23: i've come upon that, but it was long ago and i can't remember the reason, except that it was not a bug and just a misconfiguration thing`
`14:53.56`	`rocky23`	`jethro: ive tried compiling the 2.6.11.6 iproute but it keeps failing and no can explain that :(`
`14:54.06`	`jethro`	`rocky23: backport the one from sid`
`14:54.13`	`sml`	`The only weird thing I get on the advanced-routing stuff is that my 2nd default gw routing entry disappears after a week. weirdness.`
`14:54.16`	`rocky23`	`noid: ive come across that error before being down to not having rtnetlink compiled`
`14:54.22`	`johanski`	`caphuso: or what its called :) i wonder if i can make a new lvm of my disks with mdadm without loosing my data on them`
`14:54.30`	`caphuso`	`johanski: again, no`
`14:54.39`	`caphuso`	`johanski: mdadm does not do volume management`
`14:54.39`	`johanski`	`caphuso: ok , thx m8`
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`14:54.50`	`rocky23`	`sml : you doing 2 internet connections with nat ?`
`14:54.58`	`sml`	`rocky23: yes`
`14:55.01`	`rocky23`	`sml : same :)`
`14:55.03`	`sml`	`rocky23: two upstream ADSl`
`14:55.06`	`greycat`	`aardvark: badgers doesn't know "nvidia one-liner", so no, it's not up to date :(`
`14:55.09`	`sml`	`rocky23: you worked out why it happens ?`
`14:55.13`	`Enolayale`	`xk: what is the --initrd command anyway, I'm going to try again`
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`14:55.25`	`greycat`	`Enolayale: it's a switch to make-kpkg`
`14:55.29`	`ron_`	`edibletext: I got a dhcpcd-bin running for eth0 and dhcpd for eth1`
`14:55.31`	`greycat`	`Enolayale: as you read in the make-kpkg man page.`
`14:55.32`	`xk`	`Enolayale: make-kpkg --help`
`14:55.33`	`aardvark`	`greycat: i just updated it half an hour ago.`
`14:55.55`	`detlef40`	`debiande`
`14:55.57`	`greycat`	`!listkeys nvidia`
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`14:57.31`	`hexxeh\|work`	`please state the nature of the nvidia emergency`
`14:57.37`	`ron_`	`btw the going up / down of eth1 also screws up the switch. when I only have window$ machine and access point connected everything is ok, I add my linux machine and nothing can reach each other any more (tried all ports on the switch)`
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`14:58.30`	`abrotman`	`IP conflict?`
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`14:59.38`	`greycat`	`hexxeh\|work: the nvidia emergency is that no bot in the channel know the "nvidia one-liner" factoid`
`14:59.50`	`greycat`	`hexxeh\|work: (or is willing to confess to knowing it)`
`15:00.11`	`doow`	`anyone feel like helping me solve my dhcp problem? ie. I don't get any ip-adress`
`15:00.14`	`aardvark`	`!+nvidia one-liner`
`15:00.14`	`badgers`	`apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources>`
`15:00.29`	`ron_`	`abrotman: got a 10.123.123.1 (linux), 10.123.123.2 (access point) and window$ 'll get something from dhcp of linux`
`15:00.33`	`xk`	`:)`
`15:00.34`	`Stereo`	`right, so I didn't get the root parameter in lilo right, and I have no idea of what it should be. Can I tell it to use a ramdisk as root or something, to have a look at my /dev ?`
`15:00.39`	`xk`	`has that 180char limiting shit enabled.`
`15:00.41`	`Enolayale`	`xk: my question was, more of a syntax one`
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`15:00.48`	`abrotman`	`ron_: busted pci slot?`
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`15:00.51`	`aardvark`	`apt: nvidia one-liner is <reply> apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources>`
`15:00.52`	`apt`	`aardvark: okay`
`15:00.59`	`aardvark`	`ravenbird: nvidia one-liner is <reply> apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources>`
`15:01.00`	`ravenbird`	`okay, aardvark`
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`15:01.10`	`aardvark`	`!hump greycat`
`15:01.13`	`ron_`	`abrotman: could be... I'll try a different one`
`15:01.44`	`ron_`	`abrotman: thanks for the suggestion... will have to turn of this machine to try so I won't be able to tell you if it worked`
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`15:02.01`	`abrotman`	`ron_: erm .. ok`
`15:02.01`	`Enolayale`	`make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd modules_image ??`
`15:02.02`	`doow`	`I've added "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to /etc/network/interfaces`
`15:02.12`	`greycat`	`Enolayale: man make-kpkg`
`15:02.15`	`doow`	`but dhclient just exits quietly`
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`15:02.22`	`Enolayale`	`greycat: I saw`
`15:02.26`	`abrotman`	`if you're gonna go through the trouble of using make-kpkg .. why would you use initrd?`
`15:02.28`	`greycat`	`Enolayale: or BETTER YET, DO NOT BUILD A CUSTOM KERNEL!`
`15:02.34`	`Enolayale`	`greycat: why?`
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`15:02.43`	`abrotman`	`because .. most people break stuff`
`15:02.47`	`greycat`	`Enolayale: because you're apparently not capable of doing it right.`
`15:02.53`	`abrotman`	`and then bitch about thier own incompetence`
`15:02.57`	`Enolayale`	`lol, well I may never be if I don't try`
`15:03.11`	`xk`	`well you'll never be if you ignore our suggestions.`
`15:03.16`	`abrotman`	`you don't have to be .. it's not a rule for using linux`
`15:03.18`	`Enolayale`	`I'm not xk`
`15:03.24`	`abrotman`	`!kp`
`15:03.36`	`abrotman`	`fucking stupid bog`
`15:03.38`	`abrotman`	`fucking stupid bot`
`15:03.42`	`abrotman`	`!tell Enolayale about kp`
`15:03.45`	`aardvark`	`:-\|`
`15:03.47`	`hexxeh\|work`	`i make initrd kernels when i feel compelled to compile one. easier than paying attention to what needs static building, when all's said and done`
`15:04.05`	`JoshH`	`not really`
`15:04.10`	`Enolayale`	`make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd modules_image ?? or does the option come at the end?`
`15:04.11`	`aardvark`	`do not taunt happy fun bot.`
`15:04.18`	`abrotman`	`who remembers Faster Pussycat?`
`15:04.25`	`doow`	`kill kill`
`15:04.38`	`asg`	`abrotman: ewwww`
`15:04.44`	`greycat`	`abrotman: I need to see that some day.`
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`15:05.07`	`treestone`	`hexxeh\|work: if you just get your disk driver compiled into the kernel there shouldn't be anything else you have to worry about.`
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`15:05.33`	`Enolayale`	`alright I'm compiling again, thanks for your help guys, I'm going to school`
`15:05.36`	`aardvark`	`!kp`
`15:05.44`	`aardvark`	`hm.`
`15:05.52`	`aardvark`	`:-\`
`15:05.54`	`greycat`	`!+kp`
`15:05.55`	`badgers`	`it has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too)`
`15:06.04`	`aardvark`	`!do abrotman`
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`15:06.30`	`greycat`	`badgers has the weaker "CMD: fuck (.*?)" too :/`
`15:06.31`	`badgers`	`i haven't a clue, greycat`
`15:06.42`	`abrotman`	`what did you do me for?`
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`15:07.03`	`abrotman`	`greycat: it's a band .. and you know that don't you asg? :)`
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`15:07.30`	`asg`	`!kill morons who autoreply to bulk mail`
`15:07.44`	`greycat`	`ooh, kill them for me too.`
`15:07.54`	`asg`	`greycat: will do`
`15:08.07`	`RichiH`	`greycat: if you were to send less porn spam to people, you would get less autoreplys`
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`15:08.29`	`RichiH`	`asg: same goes for you`
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`15:08.51`	`asg`	`RichiH: I keep all the porn spam for myself since I'm selfish`
`15:09.00`	`xiaogil`	`How to look for all number that begin with 1 and end with 5 with the search/replace tool of gvim ? Whatever I do, it doesn't work...`
`15:09.17`	`RichiH`	`asg: oh, so you only send out the MOR\|AGE spam? an eeevil scheming plan, that!`
`15:09.25`	`xiaogil`	`I tried /^1.*2$/ but it doesn't work`
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`15:09.36`	`xiaogil`	`nor ^1.*2$`
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`15:09.50`	`xk`	`xiaogil: is that the whole line, or in between whitespaces?`
`15:10.08`	`greycat`	`xiaogil: ^1.*2$ is a regular expression that matches WHOLE LINES that consist of the digit 1, then any number of characters, then end with the digit 2.`
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`15:11.31`	`xiaogil`	`so, what should be the command for to match everything beginning with the number 1 and ending with the number 5 for example ?`
`15:11.35`	`aardvark`	`asg: http://sam.zoy.org/fun/porn/nasty_wet_pussy.jpeg`
`15:11.48`	`robf-wrk`	`Anyone familiar with tftpd? (trivial ftpd)`
`15:11.48`	`valdyn_`	`xiaogil: /1[0-9]*2/ ?`
`15:11.50`	`xk`	`xiaogil: line beginning with 1, and line ending with 5?`
`15:12.14`	`jethro`	`xk: strings in a line, beginning with 1 and ending with 5 as per what I understood`
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`15:12.32`	`greycat`	`has he noticed that 2 and 5 are not the same yet?`
`15:12.32`	`xiaogil`	`xk: no, actually line containing it`
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`15:12.38`	`greycat`	`xiaogil: CONTAINING it?`
`15:12.44`	`greycat`	`or BEING it?`
`15:12.51`	`robf-wrk`	`\/$1.*?5^/?`
`15:12.55`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: yes, being in it`
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`15:12.58`	`greycat`	`robf-wrk: gods.`
`15:13.00`	`jethro`	`hah`
`15:13.07`	`greycat`	`xiaogil: not BEING IN.`
`15:13.11`	`robf-wrk`	`oops \/^1.*?5$/ heh...`
`15:13.13`	`robf-wrk`	`*shrug`
`15:13.18`	`greycat`	`xiaogil: BEING THE WHOLE LINE, or NOT BEING THE WHOLE LINE.`
`15:13.22`	`robf-wrk`	`came in late not sure even what yer talking bout..`
`15:13.24`	`xk`	`try... /(^\|\s+)1\d+5(\s+\|$)/ dunno if it will like ()`
`15:13.29`	`greycat`	`robf-wrk: what the hell is that question mark for?`
`15:13.49`	`xk`	`lol @ greycat`
`15:13.50`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: being in the whole text, I use gvim`
`15:13.50`	`robf-wrk`	`.*? = match anything 0 or more times until 5`
`15:13.53`	`greycat`	`xiaogil: show us ONE SAMPLE LINE from this file.`
`15:14.04`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: ok...`
`15:14.14`	`aardvark`	`!tell Vince34 about away`
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`15:14.20`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: 1.4.1曾子曰:“吾日三省吾身――为人v谋而不忠乎?`
`15:14.24`	`xk`	`lol`
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`15:14.41`	`greycat`	`so anchoring your regex would be really fucking stupid, now wouldn't it?`
`15:14.42`	`xiaogil`	`it contains chinese`
`15:14.43`	`robf-wrk`	`ie /^1.*?5$/ will match '1helloblahblah5' but not '1blahblah4'`
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`15:14.53`	`greycat`	`robf-wrk: see above. he needs to NOT use the ^$ anchors.`
`15:15.01`	`robf-wrk`	`oh`
`15:15.08`	`xk`	`so will by regex work?`
`15:15.10`	`xk`	`s/by/my/`
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`15:15.19`	`robf-wrk`	`'number 1 and ending with the number 5 for example'`
`15:15.22`	`robf-wrk`	`is all I saw =x`
`15:15.31`	`robf-wrk`	`regex always works :-d`
`15:15.33`	`xk`	`well,,, s/d/S/ :)`
`15:15.34`	`greycat`	`xk: yours isn't a regex. it may be a perlregex though.`
`15:15.37`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: i always get a "pattern not found" in gvim`
`15:15.40`	`xk`	`yeah, perl`
`15:15.59`	`greycat`	`xiaogil: what are you trying to DO with this thing once you match it? why aren't you at a command line using sed?`
`15:16.00`	`xk`	`I wouldn't know how to do it in normal regex.`
`15:16.29`	`robf-wrk`	`anyone know why wehn I run tftpd I get a "tftpd cannot bind to port" error in my logs? what would cause such?`
`15:16.39`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: because i have to clean this text`
`15:16.42`	`greycat`	`"everything from 1 to 5" would be: sed 's/1.*5/whatever/'`
`15:16.45`	`darxeth`	`hey whats the terminal command that lets me switch languages?`
`15:16.53`	`robf-wrk`	`greycat nooo`
`15:16.56`	`robf-wrk`	`* = greedy`
`15:16.58`	`robf-wrk`	`.*?`
`15:17.03`	`greycat`	`robf-wrk: it's what he said.`
`15:17.04`	`xk`	`yeah, would be greedy`
`15:17.10`	`greycat`	`robf-wrk: if you can read his mind, please translate for me.`
`15:17.11`	`robf-wrk`	`use .*?`
`15:17.22`	`robf-wrk`	`well .5 is redundant in that . matches 5`
`15:17.32`	`greycat`	`robf-wrk: but it requires a terminating 5.`
`15:17.34`	`robf-wrk`	`and you'd get a pattern not found...`
`15:17.38`	`greycat`	`robf-wrk: would not.`
`15:17.43`	`robf-wrk`	`yeah but the .* would match the 5...`
`15:17.56`	`robf-wrk`	`and so your pattern wouldn't reach the 5 portion to check against`
`15:17.57`	`greycat`	`imadev:~$ echo 'blah blah 123456 foo' \| sed 's/1.*5/whatever/'`
`15:17.57`	`greycat`	`blah blah whatever6 foo`
`15:18.01`	`caphuso`	`robf-wrk: nonsense`
`15:18.03`	`greycat`	`Any more accusations?`
`15:18.11`	`robf-wrk`	`shrug...perl regex mind ya`
`15:18.12`	`robf-wrk`	`=x`
`15:18.23`	`xk`	`try 'blah blah 123456 foo 5 erp'`
`15:18.34`	`greycat`	`imadev:~$ echo 'blah blah 123456 foo 5 erp' \| sed 's/1.*5/whatever/'`
`15:18.34`	`greycat`	`blah blah whatever erp`
`15:19.00`	`xiaogil`	`Is it sure that regexp work in gvim ?`
`15:19.03`	`greycat`	`as expected. since our token luser of the hour hasn't SAID WHAT HE WANTS yet, we don't know whether that's correct or incorrect.`
`15:19.05`	`xk`	`hrm... I understand the other problem`
`15:19.16`	`xk`	`what if it's 1234565 :)`
`15:19.17`	`greycat`	`xiaogil: WHY are you being so stupid?`
`15:19.25`	`greycat`	`xk: then the whole thing gets replaced`
`15:19.42`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: i'm trying to see where the problem come from`
`15:19.46`	`robf-wrk`	`greenfly where'd 6 go =x`
`15:19.47`	`greycat`	`xiaogil: WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?`
`15:19.50`	`xk`	`yeah but you need to determine whether the string will match _beyond_ what you want.`
`15:19.56`	`xk`	`whether you want that or not.`
`15:19.59`	`robf-wrk`	`oh nm`
`15:20.01`	`robf-wrk`	`I see what ya did`
`15:20.06`	`aardvark`	`xiaogil on #ubuntu-zh #debian-zh #php #mysql #ubuntu-fr #ubuntu #debian`
`15:20.11`	`xiaogil`	`greycat: the problem is that i always get the error msg "pattern not found"`
`15:20.22`	`greycat`	`the problem is YOU ARE A FUCKWIT.`
`15:20.26`	`xk`	`lol`
`15:20.30`	`greycat`	`plonk`
`15:20.50`	`robf-wrk`	`problem is #debian is so elitest..viva la gentoo`
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`15:21.01`	`greycat`	`plonk`
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`15:21.17`	`asg`	`ooooh, a double`
`15:21.20`	`xk`	`I don't understand why people aren't sure what they want, and wonder why the result is different.`
`15:21.29`	`toresbe`	`a rarely-seen double-plonk.`
`15:21.39`	`JoshH`	`viva la gentoo?`
`15:21.46`	`JoshH`	`what a dumb thing to say`
`15:21.46`	`greycat`	`troll.`
`15:21.53`	`greycat`	`"fags" was even dumber.`
`15:21.53`	`asg`	`JoshH: some brand of sparkling wine iirc`
`15:21.57`	`JoshH`	`lol`
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`15:22.01`	`greycat`	`(came in right before the /ignore)`
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`15:22.23`	`darxeth`	`hey whats the terminal command that lets me switch languages?`
`15:22.34`	`drac`	`What could be correct FSB for 3200+ AMD prosessor? 133mhz gives only 1900+. Friend is setupping machine and I have no idea how to guide him ..`
`15:22.40`	`greycat`	`"vi foo.pl" instead of "vi foo.c"? :)`
`15:22.47`	`xk`	`drac: athlon?`
`15:22.48`	`asg`	`heh`
`15:22.50`	`drac`	`yes`
`15:22.54`	`aardvark`	`drac: try reading the motherboard manual`
`15:22.54`	`xk`	`drac: I run mine at 200`
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`15:22.57`	`JoshH`	`drac: 200`
`15:22.59`	`drac`	`thanks.`
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`15:23.15`	`greycat`	`darxeth: if you mean locales instead of languages, try dpkg-reconfigure locales`
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`15:23.41`	`Oorad`	`is there somewhere i can get info about setting up my wireless card to work in debian?`
`15:23.49`	`toresbe`	`Oorad: google :)`
`15:23.57`	`toresbe`	`Oorad: what card?`
`15:24.09`	`darxeth`	`greycat: no not the dpkg features... there's a command like... xkbset -us or something that let you switch languages quickly`
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`15:24.22`	`caphuso`	`Oorad: plug it in, load modules, configure /etc/network/interfaces, ifup the interface, have fun`
`15:24.24`	`beth`	`Oorad: google to find what driver you need; download and read up on that driver`
`15:24.25`	`Oorad`	`U.S. Robotics 802.11g wireless turbo PCI adapter`
`15:24.31`	`greycat`	`I guess he means keymaps`
`15:24.40`	`hexxeh\|work`	`Oorad, chipset information needed.`
`15:24.50`	`toresbe`	`Oorad: wow, USR makes stuff still?`
`15:24.51`	`hexxeh\|work`	`Oorad, or at least an exact model number`
`15:25.00`	`hexxeh\|work`	`toresbe, usr == 3com brand`
`15:25.01`	`xk`	`USR is still called USR?`
`15:25.05`	`asg`	`hehe --- 1.60 DRUGS_ERECTILE_OBFU Obfuscated reference to an erectile drug`
`15:25.07`	`aardvark`	`USSR!`
`15:25.09`	`toresbe`	`Oorad: weren't they bought out by 3c?`
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`15:25.21`	`greycat`	`toresbe: I thought so`
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`15:25.37`	`greycat`	`uh oh... 11:25 Irssi: Unignored Zap-W`
`15:25.43`	`aardvark`	`xk: USR was bought by 3com, they basically fucked it, didn't know what to do with it, spun it off... named it USR.`
`15:25.48`	`asg`	`greycat: haven't seen him in a while`
`15:25.51`	`xk`	`aardvark: hahahahaha.`
`15:25.53`	`greister`	`How could I add aic7XXX scsi card driver in my debian.`
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`15:26.05`	`greycat`	`greister: run sarge.`
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`15:26.09`	`tem0s`	`hello i have a configure.in.diff file how can i apply this patch ?`
`15:26.14`	`greycat`	`tem0s: man patch`
`15:26.16`	`asg`	`tem0s: with patch`
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`15:26.20`	`raf256`	`what tool is good for recording loooong audio`
`15:26.29`	`greycat`	`a tape recorder`
`15:26.33`	`tem0s`	`something like ? patch -p0 configure.in.diff`
`15:26.37`	`greycat`	`tem0s: no.`
`15:26.39`	`Oorad`	`its USR5416`
`15:26.40`	`raf256`	`like - to have it constanlty recording telephone line`
`15:26.50`	`tem0s`	`then ?`
`15:26.52`	`raf256`	`or use it as addition to security camera`
`15:26.54`	`greycat`	`tem0s: man patch`
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`15:27.19`	`raf256`	`something that will in example create mp3 on the fly and perhaps also save like 12:00.mp3 13:00.mp3 and so on`
`15:27.27`	`greycat`	`ewww, mp3.`
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`15:27.45`	`xk`	`three's a linuxant.com driver for it.`
`15:28.07`	`raf256`	`or perhaps should I just write bash script? that will lunch sound recorder for 65 minutes each 60 minutes`
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`15:28.26`	`raf256`	`with command line tool can record from given sound source into mp3 (or best - both to mp3 and wave)`
`15:28.35`	`aardvark`	`hm.`
`15:28.37`	`gholen`	`How do i change my /etc/fstab file so that my usb-drivs kan be mounted`
`15:28.47`	`aardvark`	`fucking kawfee.`
`15:29.02`	`lunitik`	`asuffield: hey... trying to set up a blootbot... getting an error '!ERROR! old or invalid user file found.' any ideas about how I can go about fixing it please?`
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`15:29.06`	`treestone`	`gholen: They'll look like scsi drives, e.g. /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdc1 and so on.`
`15:29.21`	`xk`	`lunitik: blame me for writing a half assed bot.`
`15:29.29`	`aardvark`	`!blame xk`
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`15:29.57`	`raf256`	`gholen: use also lsusb`
`15:30.19`	`lunitik`	`xk: haha... I'm running 1.1.0 (from archive...) ... you happen to know if this is fixed in a newer version... and if I can find a .deb for that?`
`15:30.21`	`gholen`	`treestone; yes, I know that, dut in my fstab file, there is no line for that, how do i change that`
`15:30.38`	`treestone`	`gholen: with an EDITOR, of course`
`15:30.44`	`greycat`	`am I hallucinating? or did he just ask that?`
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`15:31.21`	`gholen`	`treestone; yes, I know that to, but how shall te line look like?`
`15:31.21`	`treestone`	`"Hi, there's some food on the table, how do I get it into my mouth?"`
`15:31.21`	`greycat`	`"Help me, help me! My pants are on the floor instead of on my legs! Oh, what ever should I do?!"`
`15:31.29`	`xk`	`lunitik: hrm... I don't remember, I haven't touched the code for a couple of years.`
`15:31.32`	`Markrian`	`gholen, man fstab`
`15:31.41`	`RichiH`	`greycat: eat them, obviously. duh`
`15:32.22`	`JoshH`	`not just man fstab... learn the concept of using a text editor to edit files...`
`15:32.22`	`greycat`	`RichiH: kthx!!!11!`
`15:32.22`	`greycat`	`RichiH: how to eat please!!! lol`
`15:32.22`	`RichiH`	`greycat: that's what pants are made for, bub`
`15:32.22`	`aardvark`	`lunitik: blootbot in debian is useless, for something functional, you'd have to get it from sourceforge cvs.`
`15:32.22`	`RichiH`	`greycat: that's easy`
`15:32.23`	`raf256`	`heh americans have a fucked up country it seems,`
`15:32.28`	`raf256`	`realy mplayer is illegal there :) ?`
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`15:32.39`	`double_c`	`goes with the fucked up planet then`
`15:32.42`	`lunitik`	`aardvark: hmm... but there is no .deb for current cvs? (1.1.3)`
`15:32.51`	`aardvark`	`lunitik: no, there is not.`
`15:32.55`	`greycat`	`everything is illegal here, but the illegality of your actions is inversely proportional to your wealth`
`15:32.55`	`valdyn_`	`raf256: no`
`15:33.00`	`JoshH`	`raf256: but at least guns are legal :)`
`15:33.10`	`RichiH`	`greycat: you lay your pants on the curb and put your open mouth atop the pants. then, you need to get a friendly bypasser to help you gat your head around the pants by kicking you in the back of your head repeatedly`
`15:33.14`	`aardvark`	`hmm`
`15:33.25`	`aardvark`	`it doesn't appear to be in sarge at all.`
`15:33.27`	`aardvark`	`!info blootbot`
`15:33.27`	`lunitik`	`aardvark: that sucks... would be a pain without being in .deb format to remove... and I suck at packaging :(`
`15:33.29`	`badgers`	`blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section net, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-6 (sid), Packaged size: 235 kB, Installed size: 936 kB`
`15:33.39`	`aardvark`	`!info blootbot testing`
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`15:34.03`	`RichiH`	`aardvark: it would not choose sid as answer if there was stable/testing for it`
`15:34.04`	`greycat`	`backport`
`15:34.07`	`aardvark`	`lunitik: no, you just extract it into a directory.`
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`15:34.19`	`greycat`	`RichiH: it defaults to unstable, unless it's been changed while I wasn't looking.`
`15:34.20`	`gholen`	`okej, so as far as i can see, the line shuld look like this "/dev/sda/media/sdaautorw,user,noauto"`
`15:34.22`	`aardvark`	`Package 'blootbot' does not exist.`
`15:34.23`	`greycat`	`!info bash`
`15:34.26`	`badgers`	`bash: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section base, is required. Version: 3.0-14 (sid), Packaged size: 773 kB, Installed size: 1600 kB`
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`15:34.31`	`starscalling`	`goin to work arg! >_<`
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`15:34.38`	`RichiH`	`greycat: it does? i could have bet it was to stable or testing`
`15:34.39`	`aardvark`	`RichiH: you don't know how dpkg works.`
`15:34.42`	`xk`	`gholen: and 0 0 at the end.`
`15:34.49`	`gholen`	`yes`
`15:34.54`	`aardvark`	`!why is blootbot not in testing`
`15:34.55`	`badgers`	`blootbot is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=blootbot`
`15:35.09`	`bloom`	`did all the bots around here change names?`
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`15:35.25`	`RichiH`	`bloom: badgers is a backup for dpkg`
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`15:35.33`	`xk`	`RC bug :)`
`15:35.35`	`aardvark`	`!dbugs 228053`
`15:35.50`	`bloom`	`I thought apt was a backup for dpkg (or vice-versa)`
`15:35.50`	`aardvark`	`urgh.`
`15:35.57`	`gholen`	`but i does not work at all, error messege is "mount: mount point /media/sda does not exist"`
`15:36.03`	`aardvark`	`#228053: blootbot: Blootbot fails to connect to mysql database after installation and setup`
`15:36.05`	`xk`	`apt was originally the main bot until I left.`
`15:36.06`	`Markrian`	`gholen, of course /dev/sda is just the device. Presumable it's partitioned, so it needs to be /dev/sda1 probably. Also, the mount point /media/sda must exist.`
`15:36.10`	`edibletext`	`apt is senile`
`15:36.13`	`RichiH`	`bloom: dpkg used to be the backup for apt, but we got used to use dpkg instead of apt`
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`15:36.35`	`Markrian`	`gholen, learn to read error messages! They're helpful!`
`15:36.40`	`valdyn_`	`gholen: now what could the cause of this be? try "ls /media/"`
`15:36.43`	`bloom`	`well, it's too bad we don't have dpkg around to respond to things like`
`15:36.43`	`greycat`	`dpkg was the main bot here when I first arrived, but it was some sort of eggdrop bot, running on master.debian.org`
`15:36.47`	`bloom`	`dpkg -i somefile.deb`
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`15:36.49`	`lunitik`	`aakkonen: bah... blootbot-cvs doesn't even have a .config file :(`
`15:36.56`	`greycat`	`then xk wrote apt, then dpkg went away, then a new dpkg came back as a blootbot`
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`15:37.05`	`xk`	`heh`
`15:37.09`	`RichiH`	`bloom: dpkg is here. but it's not working atm`
`15:37.10`	`gholen`	`eel, in that case, how do i create the mount point /media/sda`
`15:37.17`	`greycat`	`gholen: mkdir`
`15:37.18`	`aardvark`	`lunitik: yes it does, now stop whining. you're too whiney to run blootbot.`
`15:37.26`	`Markrian`	`gholen, seriously, wtf`
`15:37.31`	`raf256`	`!dpkg yo mamma`
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`15:37.38`	`greycat`	`Markrian: he needs a unix book. badly.`
`15:37.40`	`lunitik`	`aardvark: whining? I'm just trying to get the fucking thing to work!`
`15:37.45`	`RichiH`	`dondelelcaro said something about replacing the hdd dpkg and debhelper run on the other day, but that went well. dunno why dpkg is dead :/`
`15:37.45`	`xk`	`westnet`
`15:37.49`	`greycat`	`raf256: the bot isn't answering at all.`
`15:37.57`	`greycat`	`!yomama raf256`
`15:37.58`	`badgers`	`raf256: yo' mama so dumb she asked "What's the number for 911?"`
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`15:38.03`	`xk`	`probably lost sql connection so it can't answer.`
`15:38.09`	`gholen`	`Markiran; yeas, i know, but I new and wanna learn`
`15:38.11`	`lunitik`	`aardvark: I've been playing with it for about an hour... and am seemingly getting no where fast...`
`15:38.15`	`gholen`	`okej`
`15:38.21`	`lunitik`	`aardvark: but thanks for the help... no really... prick`
`15:38.22`	`RichiH`	`xk: heh, you mean it was freshly installed? ;)`
`15:38.26`	`Markrian`	`gholen, asking basic questions here won't help you`
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`15:38.34`	`aardvark`	`lunitik: FOAD`
`15:38.36`	`bloom`	`thx`
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`15:38.39`	`Oorad`	`when you apt-get install a kernel where does it install it to? i can't find it /usr/src/ is empty`
`15:38.43`	`greycat`	`lunitik: perhaps there's a reason it's only in unstable?`
`15:38.46`	`lunitik`	`aardvark: eventually I will...`
`15:38.48`	`Markrian`	`gholen, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596004826/102-8867291-5943349`
`15:38.51`	`Markrian`	`That's a good book`
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`15:38.56`	`RichiH`	`Oorad: a package or the source?`
`15:39.01`	`aardvark`	`greycat: yes. it's broken.`
`15:39.01`	`stew`	`greycat: yeah the reason is that nobody is interested in maintaining a debian package`
`15:39.10`	`doggie`	`xk: then why doesn't it say : I have a problem ? -- would be handy for dpkg to give some diagnostics`
`15:39.22`	`stew`	`greycat: don said he was going to upload one a few weeks ago`
`15:39.25`	`lunitik`	`greycat: true enough... heh... thought I could at least get it up and going though...`
`15:39.26`	`greycat`	`doggie: ask dondelelcaro`
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`15:39.55`	`xk`	`doggie: hrm... not sure why I didn't add that.`
`15:39.56`	`doggie`	`greycat, thanks`
`15:39.58`	`gholen`	`okej, mkdir done`
`15:40.06`	`Oorad`	`RichiH a package i guess i did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686`
`15:40.09`	`xk`	`doggie: but not my fault that mysql is restarted/reloaded and the sql connection is lost.`
`15:40.11`	`lunitik`	`Anyone know of a functional and useful bot I could try?`
`15:40.18`	`xiaogil`	`aardvark: can you explain what's the problem of being on more than one channel at a time please, i'd like to understand ?`
`15:40.24`	`lunitik`	`(something easy to customize like blootbot promises)`
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`15:40.29`	`RichiH`	`doggie: apt is what xk's mind spawned. but dpkg is a blootbot modified by dondelelcaro`
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`15:40.44`	`doggie`	`no worries all`
`15:40.45`	`greycat`	`but apt's database was infiltrated by lameness.`
`15:40.46`	`RichiH`	`Oorad: then it is in /boot`
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`15:40.59`	`xk`	`greycat: yer, I think timriker injected it with heaps of useless crap.`
`15:41.02`	`greycat`	`~literal CMD: kill (.*?)`
`15:41.03`	`apt`	`"cmd: kill (.*?)" is "($who): <action> shoots a (hyper-charged\|charged\|super-inverse\|inverse\|excited\|magneto-ionized\|ionized\| \|) (flux\|anti-\|pseudo\| \|)(neutron\|meson\|neutrino\|quark\|proton\|electron\|tachyon\|graviton\|photon\|positrino) gun at $who"`
`15:41.03`	`RichiH`	`Oorad: if you want the source, you need to install kernel-source-2.6.8`
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`15:41.10`	`aardvark`	`xiaogil: you're running ubuntu. i will now plonk you.`
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`15:41.48`	`greycat`	`aardvark: that does answer my earlier question about why he was being so stupid.`
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`15:42.43`	`Slowhandasg`	`Hi, I am struggling with networking on sarge. I like to configure a default gateway that is not on the local subnet. I tried to add the net with a 'up' entry in 'interfaces', but this brings ether the second subnet nor the default gateway up. Any hints?`
`15:42.50`	`gholen`	`thx anyway`
`15:43.02`	`lunitik`	`greycat: it is stupid to not care about 15 arches that hinder packages being upgraded in sid?`
`15:43.15`	`greycat`	`Slowhandasg: you can't have a gateway that's unreachable. it doesn't make sense.`
`15:43.15`	`Oorad`	`i donno driverloader wants some file to install so i guess i need the source right?`
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`15:43.39`	`greycat`	`lunitik: what are you referring to?`
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`15:43.53`	`Slowhandasg`	`It is not unreachable, it is just on an other local subnet. No problem with SuSE.`
`15:44.02`	`matthijs_`	`Hi, how can I configure the boot services? I need to start portmap before mounting my network shares.`
`15:44.07`	`greycat`	`Slowhandasg: what command do you run to add a route to it?`
`15:44.10`	`sml`	`Slowhandasg: add a route to the other subnet via an interface and tehn it will work`
`15:44.16`	`lunitik`	`greycat: your comments related to ubuntu being valid reasoning for him being stupid`
`15:44.34`	`greycat`	`matthijs_: cd /etc; ls rc[2S].d`
`15:44.36`	`Slowhandasg`	`I used 'up route add -net .... dev eth0'`
`15:44.38`	`greycat`	`matthijs_: mv liberally.`
`15:44.47`	`sml`	`route add -net mynet/x dev ethX, route add default gw somehost_on_my_net`
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`15:45.05`	`matthijs_`	`greycat: euh, I need to copy the script?`
`15:45.17`	`chimaera`	`how can i tell procmail to deliver in maildir-format?`
`15:45.25`	`xiaogil`	`aardvark: I use Ubuntu on one of my computers, right, so basically, you have a personal problem with Ubuntu...`
`15:45.25`	`jethro`	`chimaera: read its doc`
`15:45.34`	`jethro`	`chimaera: or /j #procmail`
`15:45.42`	`greycat`	`matthijs_: mv S20foo S01foo or similar.`
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`15:45.50`	`Slowhandasg`	`I have no problem to make this work on runtime, but on boot ...`
`15:46.11`	`greycat`	`Slowhandasg: "up" isn't a command that you can run.`
`15:46.19`	`lunitik`	`greycat: more specifically... the joke that is the sarge release hindering packages in sid... ie xorg ... new gnome ... new kde ... etc`
`15:46.21`	`valdyn_`	`chimaera: by specifying a directory as a mailbox like ~/Maildir/trash/`
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`15:46.32`	`valdyn_`	`chimaera: by specifying a directory as a mailbox like ~/Maildir/.trash/`
`15:46.37`	`greycat`	`Slowhandasg: what command do you actually run to add the new route? put that command in the interfaces file after the keyword "up", on the appropriate interface's stanza.`
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`15:46.42`	`Slowhandasg`	`With up I meant the entry in /etc/network/interfaces.`
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`15:47.08`	`CyberShadow`	`spam: (18:47:48) CeLeroN: http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos`
`15:47.09`	`greycat`	`Slowhandasg: or if that doesn't work due to timing/race conditions, then write your own boot script that runs your command, and symlink to it from a high S* number.`
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`15:47.19`	`*** mode/#debian [+o xk] by ChanServ`
`15:47.23`	`*** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ`
`15:47.27`	`*** mode/#debian [-o+b CeLeroN !SpeeD@81.212.112.*] by xk`
`15:47.27`	`*** kick/#debian [CeLeroN!rfc1413@l3-202-89-186-51.arach.net.au] by xk (upgrade to an athlon)`
`15:47.27`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@81.212.112.221] by greycat`
`15:47.28`	`jethro`	`bye bye spammer`
`15:47.34`	`jethro`	`hah`
`15:47.34`	`*** mode/#debian [-o xk] by xk`
`15:47.36`	`CyberShadow`	`:D`
`15:47.38`	`jethro`	`!xk++`
`15:47.41`	`sml`	`nice kick message`
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`15:47.54`	`*** mode/#debian [-b !@81.212.112.221] by greycat`
`15:47.54`	`streuner`	`xk: haha`
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`15:48.00`	`aardvark`	`CyberShadow: don't paste spam urls.`
`15:48.09`	`aardvark`	`!pity CyberShadow`
`15:48.10`	`badgers`	`I pity da fool CyberShadow!`
`15:48.10`	`CyberShadow`	`ok`
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`15:48.19`	`greycat`	`!tell Slowhandasg about msg`
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`15:48.41`	`lunitik`	`So... no one knows about a decent bot that can store and learn factoids?`
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`15:48.51`	`xk`	`infobot?`
`15:48.51`	`sml`	`lunitik: eggdrop`
`15:48.55`	`Slowhandasg`	`Sorry!`
`15:49.01`	`lunitik`	`sml: that was my next option`
`15:49.09`	`lunitik`	`xk: infobot doesn't have a .deb :(`
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`15:49.22`	`CyberShadow`	`anyway, can I make some automated "su" script or something, I'm fed up with entering the password every time... my box has remote login disabled so I don't care much about security.`
`15:49.30`	`xk`	`lunitik: try infobot... it's the original, doesn't need mysql.`
`15:49.53`	`lunitik`	`s/person/personal`
`15:50.20`	`Oorad`	`what is s/`
`15:50.24`	`DeViOsItY`	`Hey guys I was wondering if you could help with a problem I am having connect to my VSFTPD server. I have setup my box in a DMZ behind a firewall and I have VSFTPD running on it. I can connect over port 21 but when it tries to enter passive mode my connection dies. I have looked at why and it seems that is trying to access the private IP 192.168.x.x as soon as it switches to pasv mode. Is there something that I am doing`
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`15:51.34`	`valdyn_`	`DeViOsItY: what kind of kernel are you using?`
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`15:51.58`	`xiaogil`	`I know how to find a character between 1~99 with \[1-99], but how to exclude characters between 1~99 in the string i'm looking for ?`
`15:51.59`	`DeViOsItY`	`linux lemme check to see the version`
`15:52.05`	`greycat`	`uname -r`
`15:52.06`	`valdyn_`	`DeViOsItY: i mean, on your firewall`
`15:52.14`	`streuner`	`DeViOsItY: make me a favorite and change your nick, because i get 'eyecancer' with that, thanks.`
`15:52.34`	`xk`	`heh`
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`15:52.37`	`DeViOsItY`	`it is a Netgear firewall`
`15:52.46`	`streuner`	`CAPS`
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`15:53.12`	`deviosity`	`I am also running another ftp server behind it`
`15:53.18`	`deviosity`	`that uses pasv mode and it is working fine`
`15:53.27`	`deviosity`	`it's a windows server`
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`15:53.52`	`deviosity`	`and yes I changed the port range that pasv is using so they are not conflicting`
`15:53.55`	`streuner`	`firewall is off?`
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`15:54.09`	`arturaz`	`hey. how do i turn off ipv6 support in userspace? apt-get hangs trying to connect to v6 addresses :/`
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`15:54.31`	`deviosity`	`streuner: actually iptables may be running on the debian box`
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`15:55.15`	`deviosity`	`let me turn it off really quick. Does anyone know the command to drop all rules and refresh? I forgot it`
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`15:55.27`	`streuner`	`deviosity: and you are running that ftp-server on debian?`
`15:55.30`	`lunitik`	`xk: you know where I can get a version of infobot ... not in archive or apt-get.org :(`
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`15:55.38`	`grendal_prime`	`this is making me crazy`
`15:55.45`	`deviosity`	`streuner: yes`
`15:55.53`	`grendal_prime`	`i cannot seem to get my sound to work with certain apps on this laptop`
`15:56.12`	`lunitik`	`grendal_prime: like what apps?`
`15:56.35`	`xk`	`lunitik: infobot.org`
`15:56.40`	`grendal_prime`	`mostly games..like..well for example neverball`
`15:56.46`	`lunitik`	`grendal_prime: are you using any sound daemon... cuz they should probably be using it...`
`15:56.57`	`lunitik`	`xk: I looked there... no .deb that I can see :(`
`15:56.59`	`streuner`	`deviosity: what happens if you are using another ftp-server?`
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`15:57.04`	`grendal_prime`	`i just have it set for autodetect`
`15:57.06`	`PEACEYALL`	`sup all`
`15:57.08`	`grendal_prime`	`esd is installed`
`15:57.10`	`grendal_prime`	`hmmm`
`15:57.14`	`grendal_prime`	`what would you recommend`
`15:57.20`	`PEACEYALL`	`what is the best email program for linux?`
`15:57.23`	`greycat`	`I'd recommend never, ever, ever runninig gnome again.`
`15:57.24`	`jethro`	`xiaogil: man regex ffs`
`15:57.26`	`greycat`	`but nobody ever listens to me :(`
`15:57.27`	`drac`	`grendal_prime: maybe they support only oss.. and you are using alsa.. i'd install alsa-oss package.`
`15:57.30`	`greycat`	`PEACEYALL: mutt`
`15:57.32`	`edibletext`	`PEACEYALL, mutt`
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`15:57.41`	`PEACEYALL`	`ok ill try it`
`15:57.42`	`grendal_prime`	`ya that is installed`
`15:58.04`	`deviosity`	`streuner: by another ftpserver do you mean on that system or connecting to another machine`
`15:58.05`	`lunitik`	`PEACEYALL: silly question... most would say either kmail, evolution, thunderbird, or mutt (for cli)`
`15:58.14`	`p8m`	`PEACEYALL: emacs`
`15:58.14`	`greycat`	`!for x`
`15:58.15`	`badgers`	`All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt".`
`15:58.16`	`dvs`	`or mutt`
`15:58.20`	`lunitik`	`PEACEYALL: asking for others opinons is irrelivant`
`15:58.21`	`edibletext`	`pine`
`15:58.27`	`greycat`	`!start an mua war`
`15:58.28`	`badgers`	`kmail rules`
`15:58.49`	`streuner`	`deviosity: on debian, install proftpd and find out if you are getting the same result`
`15:58.51`	`lunitik`	`PEACEYALL: try a few and see what you like best...`
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`15:59.06`	`PEACEYALL`	`well kmail isnt working because when i open the preferences that screen is emty :/ and in thunderbird i changed the local directory nwo when i get mail i try to ope it , it opens but it doesnt show anything`
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`15:59.24`	`jethro`	`!nickometer [-oskar-]`
`15:59.25`	`badgers`	`'[-oskar-]' is 53.000% lame, jethro`
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`15:59.48`	`sml`	`should a linux box with 2GB of RAM really be using swap space ?`
`16:00.01`	`p8m`	`yes`
`16:00.06`	`asg`	`sml: a little bit can save your ass`
`16:00.10`	`petemc`	`sml: are you using 2.6?`
`16:00.23`	`sml`	`asg: What I mean is, I have a box that's swapping .. and its got 2GB of ram`
`16:00.38`	`sml`	`petemc: 2.6.11.5`
`16:00.45`	`plagerism`	`Hello, I extracted the contents of a debian package, and then replaced some of the files within it(with a newer version). Is there a simple way to rebuild that package with the new contents??`
`16:00.47`	`petemc`	`sml: you can play about with the swappness`
`16:00.53`	`petemc`	`swappiness, even`
`16:00.56`	`sml`	`:)`
`16:01.02`	`greycat`	`plagerism: /msg dpkg mg`
`16:01.04`	`jethro`	`plagerism: how did you extact in the first place?`
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`16:01.08`	`edibletext`	`sml, youll need when you calculate rocket trajectories to the extrasolar bodies`
`16:01.19`	`lunitik`	`plagerism: man dpkg-deb`
`16:01.21`	`plagerism`	`jethro dpkg -x`
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`16:01.38`	`deviosity`	`streuner: connects fine`
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`16:01.43`	`sml`	`petemc: its an oracle box that's running very slowly all of a sudden. we're going to modify a few db parameters and restart it tomorrow so that it doesn't eat up too much SGA etc but in the meantime im amazed that there is precious little RAM left on the box.`
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`16:01.47`	`grendal_prime`	`its werid...im running it on a system at home...it runs just fine`
`16:01.52`	`grendal_prime`	`sound works..everthing`
`16:01.53`	`streuner`	`deviosity: hm`
`16:01.54`	`petemc`	`sml: oracle, you should have said`
`16:01.58`	`sml`	`petemc: lol`
`16:02.02`	`petemc`	`:)`
`16:02.06`	`jethro`	`plagerism: do you have the various .tgz when using dpkg -x ? cause basically a .deb is an ar archive with tgz's in it`
`16:02.07`	`grendal_prime`	`now...there is NO also-oss package installed there`
`16:02.15`	`treestone`	`plagerism: dpkg-repack, possibly. Depends on what exactly you did. If you first install it, then replace bits, then dpkg-repack it should work`
`16:02.19`	`sml`	`petemc: but the machine shouldnt be running a query 13 minutes SLOWER on linux that on NT with inferior hardware.`
`16:02.22`	`deviosity`	`streuner: it is also using pasv mode`
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`16:02.30`	`sml`	`petemc: somethign is very seriously wrong.`
`16:02.31`	`streuner`	`deviosity: read the docs of proftpd, its a bitch...`
`16:02.36`	`petemc`	`sml: it would seem so`
`16:02.56`	`treestone`	`plagerism: It's probably better to start with the deb src and then change; fakeroot debian/rules binary afterwards`
`16:03.02`	`sml`	`petemc: top says im swapping. guess oracle is just being too greedy. im sure the swapping is what's slowing down oracle.`
`16:03.06`	`plagerism`	`treestone the contents of the new package has the exact same structure, just newer versions`
`16:03.09`	`PEACEYALL`	`in evolution , where is the option that lets me change which folder to save the email that it gets from the server?`
`16:03.29`	`lunitik`	`plagerism: dpkg -x is actually a dpkg-deb command though btw...`
`16:03.43`	`sml`	`petemc: perhaps i shoul duse ulimit on the oracle user ?`
`16:03.50`	`tcbonline`	`qu/who #deb/who/quit`
`16:04.14`	`tcbonline`	`su/disconnect`
`16:04.15`	`asg`	`!give tcbonline his meds`
`16:04.21`	`drac`	`Hmm, gdesklets freezes. Checked BTS, nothing like that. How would one proceed tracing the problem?`
`16:04.25`	`asg`	`tcbonline: try /quit`
`16:04.39`	`zoid`	`anyone have problems with phpmyadmin not logging you in after a recent upgrade in unstable? it just kinf of refreshes the login page with no error/message or anything`
`16:04.46`	`grendal_prime`	`it requires sdl`
`16:04.47`	`sml`	`what commands are there other than top/vmstat and free that i can use ?`
`16:04.57`	`grendal_prime`	`and...for some reason i do not have sdl for alsa`
`16:05.41`	`asg`	`zoid: check the bts yet?`
`16:05.47`	`lunitik`	`grendal_prime: then go get it :/ apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-alsa`
`16:05.51`	`streuner`	`drac: well, configure that package with debug-mode, compile it and see what happens then`
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`16:06.19`	`zoid`	`asg: doing it as we speak actually :)`
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`16:06.26`	`petemc`	`sml: there are some recommended kernel tweaks you should do before installing oracle`
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`16:06.56`	`Oorad`	`its not possible to install rpms on debian right?`
`16:06.58`	`sml`	`petemc: are there really...`
`16:07.02`	`sml`	`petemc: any url ?`
`16:07.08`	`petemc`	`sml: the oracle install guide`
`16:07.14`	`lunitik`	`Oorad: apt-cache show alien`
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`16:07.24`	`sml`	`petemc: we didn't get one with the software they just sent us the cd's`
`16:07.26`	`zoid`	`asg: nothing`
`16:07.27`	`streuner`	`drac: or just report that bug and wait what the folks have to say`
`16:07.33`	`thingfish`	`Oorad: supposedly using alien you can, although I've never tried it.`
`16:07.34`	`grendal_prime`	`that got it`
`16:07.36`	`sml`	`petemc: i was going to buy the O'Reilley Oracle Linux reference book`
`16:07.37`	`grendal_prime`	`sdl sound is nice`
`16:07.45`	`petemc`	`sml: http://www.the-love-shack.net/oracle-on-sid.html`
`16:07.50`	`sml`	`petemc: ta.`
`16:07.56`	`petemc`	`sml: step 5 in particular`
`16:08.04`	`lunitik`	`thingfish: it works... alien --to-deb some.rpm gives a .deb of it after about 2 mins of waiting :/`
`16:08.10`	`lunitik`	`then install as normal`
`16:08.40`	`thingfish`	`lunitik: nice.`
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`16:09.42`	`lunitik`	`thingfish: not sure if it handles fs differences though... but yeah`
`16:10.08`	`Oorad`	`i wish i could`
`16:10.19`	`asg`	`zoid: hmmm, check that it isn't some register_globals = On\|Off fuckage. I seem to remember there being something about that.`
`16:10.20`	`Oorad`	`plesk only has .rpm or a fbsd install`
`16:10.22`	`lunitik`	`Oorad: what is the rpm of?`
`16:10.26`	`sml`	`petemc: i wonder if i need to perform that step since i didn't get the shown error`
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`16:10.28`	`drac`	`streuner: i'll do that, before it trying to reinstall/reconfigure it and see if problem disappears.`
`16:10.33`	`Oorad`	`im tryin to see if it will work on debian`
`16:11.17`	`petemc`	`sml: that stuff is straight from oracle, even if you didnt get the error, i would still do it`
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`16:11.54`	`opqdonut`	`i've got a few questions: what init script sets the locale? why is a module in /etc/modules loaded w/o using the options defined in /etc/modules.conf? can i chown apache's DocumentRoot to somebody else than root?`
`16:11.57`	`bam`	`anybody know if there's a good list of dedicated hosting providers that offer debian?`
`16:12.11`	`bam`	`(besides google)`
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`16:12.20`	`petemc`	`msn search ;)`
`16:12.34`	`petemc`	`:)`
`16:12.35`	`greycat`	`!wikifaq opqdonut DotFiles`
`16:12.43`	`bam`	`man, msn's search is goofy. odd results`
`16:12.49`	`greycat`	`@wikifaq opqdonut DotFiles`
`16:12.50`	`opqdonut`	`bam when googling about debian i get lots of "smart ads" about debian based hosting :)`
`16:12.52`	`ravenbird`	`opqdonut: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`16:12.54`	`jethro`	`bam: there's one in france, called ikoula`
`16:13.07`	`bam`	`you mean the stuff in the right column?`
`16:13.11`	`sml`	`petemc: ok thanks.`
`16:13.14`	`opqdonut`	`bam: yep :)`
`16:13.16`	`petemc`	`bam: in the uk, bytemark offer debian UMLs`
`16:13.36`	`jethro`	`umls? holy shit`
`16:13.45`	`jethro`	`how much do they charge for that?`
`16:13.50`	`petemc`	`its cheap`
`16:13.51`	`bam`	`opqdonut: hmm, i didn't. got mostly generic hosts offering whatever. mebbe i refine search terms a bit...`
`16:13.53`	`jethro`	`I guess :)`
`16:14.02`	`opqdonut`	`greycat: thanks`
`16:14.05`	`deviosity`	`streuner: proftpd works fine the problem is that it does not use SSL`
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`16:14.25`	`thingfish`	`lunitik: thats' where my doubts are concerning the whole deal, file system differences. If it works, great, but I personally can't see myself ever using alien.`
`16:14.58`	`sml`	`deviosity: true. even apache-ssl on woody doesn't work unless you remove the passphrase from the server key.`
`16:15.18`	`sml`	`i used vsftpd as a replacement for proftpd when i needed an SSL supporting ftpd`
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`16:15.59`	`thingfish`	`On the surface, it just looks like too many things could go wrong. But maybe it's not as bad as I think; after all, Debian is a member of LSB and one of their requirements is that there has to be a way to install from rpm.`
`16:16.23`	`lunitik`	`thingfish: apt-cache show lsb`
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`16:16.24`	`greycat`	`@wikifaq me Permissions`
`16:16.25`	`ravenbird`	`greycat: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`16:16.34`	`lunitik`	`thingfish: Debian isn't lsb compliant otb`
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`16:16.43`	`Oorad`	`is there anything like plesk for debian?`
`16:16.54`	`streuner`	`deviosity: that's usually ftp is for, anon ftp`
`16:17.01`	`airco`	`anyone remember a quick command that tells you which kernel is currently running?`
`16:17.08`	`lunitik`	`thingfish: I think the new one is even specifying /etc/sysconfig though... shudder`
`16:17.10`	`greycat`	`Oorad: gods, we hope not.`
`16:17.13`	`jethro`	`airco: uname -a`
`16:17.15`	`thingfish`	`lunitik: not perfectly, (mainly because of the persistence of /usr/doc, from what I read), but Debian is a member of the LSB.`
`16:17.19`	`airco`	`jethro: thx`
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`16:17.24`	`lunitik`	`Oorad: wtf is plesk?`
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`16:17.31`	`greycat`	`lunitik: it's like a webmin toaster`
`16:17.42`	`jethro`	`webmin toaster?`
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`16:18.02`	`airco`	`jethro: and the one that lists all loaded kernel modules? :)`
`16:18.03`	`jethro`	`webmin on a toaster would require netbsd`
`16:18.04`	`p88`	`hi all`
`16:18.14`	`jethro`	`airco: modinfo iirc`
`16:18.19`	`airco`	`thx`
`16:18.22`	`Oorad`	`a hosting control panel`
`16:18.22`	`p8m`	`lsmod`
`16:18.22`	`greycat`	`airco: lsmod`
`16:18.28`	`p88`	`if the generation of an 8192 bits long key takes 10 minutes.. how long does the generation of a 16384 bits long key take? is there a way to calculate that?`
`16:18.42`	`lunitik`	`greycat: I don't get use of 'toaster' there... but heh... webmin pisses me off... although when its behaving... it can be... well... useful is the wrong word... it works though...`
`16:18.43`	`jethro`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:18.53`	`jethro`	`airco: and loaded ones with lsmod, as greycat just said`
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`16:19.08`	`greycat`	`lunitik: a "Foo toaster" is a phrase that means "a turnkey system designed to do Foo and not much else, with as few frills as possible"`
`16:19.30`	`lunitik`	`greycat: so its a crippled webmin?`
`16:19.31`	`greycat`	`also usually implies proprietary, closed, black box`
`16:19.33`	`p88`	`or is it irregular?`
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`16:20.02`	`jethro`	`pwhy would you create such keys?`
`16:20.05`	`greycat`	`although these days there are lots of toasters using open source stuff`
`16:20.11`	`drac`	`ok, how would one start rescue from sarge full cd1? again, helping a friend out.. in woody something like rescue root=/dev/hda3 worked ..`
`16:20.16`	`greycat`	`jethro: because he's a crackhead?`
`16:20.24`	`sml`	`petemc: only the sem values differ to the defaults on a 2.6 kernel`
`16:20.30`	`opqdonut`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:20.38`	`sml`	`petemc: i will make the change to /proc/sys/kernel/sem but I hope its not a scary change ;)`
`16:20.43`	`jethro`	`heh`
`16:20.44`	`p88`	`jethro: because of security`
`16:20.49`	`jethro`	`HAHAHAHAHHAHA`
`16:20.53`	`Oorad`	`so webmin = 3000% better?`
`16:20.53`	`greycat`	`opqdonut: just put the options in /etc/modules (sheesh!)`
`16:20.55`	`p88`	`indeed crackhead ;)`
`16:21.01`	`greycat`	`Oorad: no, they both suck.`
`16:21.17`	`jethro`	`p88: are you talking ssh public keys ?`
`16:21.18`	`lunitik`	`p88: I think you are taking 'paranoid' to extreme levels`
`16:21.23`	`streuner`	`opqdonut: man modules.conf explains it?`
`16:21.24`	`p88`	`jethro: yes that is so`
`16:21.32`	`jethro`	`p88: 2048 is more then enough to feel secure`
`16:21.34`	`p88`	`lunitik: you are right`
`16:21.37`	`Phated`	`I believe that's the point of "paranoid".`
`16:21.51`	`p88`	`and I am paranoid`
`16:21.51`	`opqdonut`	`greycat: oh i didn't know that would work :)`
`16:22.05`	`sml`	`jethro: i hope so if he's talking about sysmetric block or stream ciphers thats gonna be one bad ass encrption but i know of no algorithm apart from an XOR one time pad for a key that length`
`16:22.09`	`greycat`	`opqdonut: each line of /etc/modules is fed (in its entirety) to modprobe`
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`16:22.50`	`streuner`	`opqdonut: man modules.conf explains it`
`16:23.06`	`opqdonut`	`greycat: grat thanks`
`16:23.15`	`opqdonut`	`streuner: i didn't find an explanantion`
`16:23.18`	`jethro`	`p88: using oversized keys will result in performance decreased`
`16:23.23`	`sean_micken`	`is there a way to get perl plugin support in gaim without compiling gaim myself?`
`16:23.27`	`opqdonut`	`s/grat//`
`16:23.33`	`p88`	`jethro: I have a fast enough network for that`
`16:23.38`	`p8m`	`p88: Security is more than giant keys.`
`16:23.38`	`jethro`	`I mean on hosts`
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`16:24.00`	`p88`	`p8m: Yes but it is a start`
`16:24.22`	`jethro`	`p88: they don't even recommend more then 2048bits in the DOD`
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`16:24.41`	`edibletext`	`jethro, more work for them ;)`
`16:24.53`	`stew`	`jethro: it would only decrease performance in that connections would take longer to build, not that a built connection would be slower, btw`
`16:24.59`	`p88`	`well I have an 8192 bits key now and that is enough`
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`16:25.11`	`jethro`	`stew: indeed`
`16:25.12`	`p88`	`I don't want to have a 16384 bits long ne`
`16:25.13`	`spiekey`	`hello!`
`16:25.23`	`jethro`	`p88: you are crazy :)`
`16:25.29`	`p88`	`yes I am :)`
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`16:25.34`	`spiekey`	`i am trying to install vmware on debian testing, but getting this error: http://www.pastebin.com/268505`
`16:25.34`	`p88`	`stew: that is nice to hear`
`16:25.35`	`suporte`	`what is the substitute of named?`
`16:25.38`	`spiekey`	`any idea why?`
`16:25.57`	`jethro`	`suporte: an alternative DNS server you mean?`
`16:26.15`	`lunitik`	`spiekey: coughvmwareisntsupportedbydebiancough`
`16:26.32`	`greycat`	`contact the company that sold you vmware`
`16:26.41`	`spiekey`	`lunitik: coughbutmaybesomeonehereknowsthesolution*`
`16:26.42`	`greycat`	`it's proprietary commercial software.`
`16:26.42`	`streuner`	`opqdonut: man modules.conf ->All options directives specify the options needed for a module, as in:`
`16:26.43`	`streuner`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`16:27.09`	`p88`	`jethro: I do this with keys because I have a very very long password which I don't want to type every time`
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`16:27.21`	`spiekey`	`so what? worth asking! If i would know the answer, i would help the newbie here, and not send him away!`
`16:27.30`	`lunitik`	`spiekey: no one will risk getting bitched at to help you run something not supported by Debian... Debian supports your choice to run that software... setting it up is on you...`
`16:27.45`	`jethro`	`p88: I hope you have a very long passphrase for you key as well and use ssh-agent :)`
`16:27.51`	`spiekey`	`ok, thanks debian ppl!`
`16:28.16`	`p88`	`jethro: I have a double as long passphrase for my key`
`16:28.23`	`suporte`	`jethro: yeas`
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`16:28.32`	`jethro`	`p88: cause I ve met people using pubkey auth with passwordless keys, and claimed using pubkey authentication was more secure`
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`16:28.40`	`p88`	`the password is 25 and the key is 50 chars`
`16:28.41`	`leira`	`i got an error "X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)" when using urxvt`
`16:28.46`	`leira`	`when i read a specific mail in mutt within urxvt`
`16:28.53`	`leira`	`the whole error message is`
`16:28.57`	`jethro`	`suporte: if you can't find a package going by the name of named, try bind9, if you want an alternative, try djbdns, as for other dameons around, I don't know`
`16:29.04`	`leira`	`X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)`
`16:29.05`	`leira`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`16:29.05`	`leira`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:29.05`	`leira`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`16:29.16`	`sml`	`ok night night people im off down the pub for a pint or ten`
`16:29.19`	`sml`	`have phun :)`
`16:29.21`	`jethro`	`cheers sml`
`16:29.35`	`p88`	`leira: #flood`
`16:29.40`	`jethro`	`heh`
`16:29.43`	`lunitik`	`sml: I don't recommend ten pints enless you know your way home _very_ well :P`
`16:29.49`	`jethro`	`heh`
`16:29.54`	`suporte`	`jethro: what the best dns demon in your opinion?`
`16:30.03`	`jethro`	`suporte: I use named (bind9)`
`16:30.06`	`leira`	`p88: i know it~ i just want clear the problem`
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`16:30.21`	`suporte`	`jethro: okye, tks xD`
`16:30.23`	`jethro`	`suporte: for it has SSHFP support, tsigs, and I never used any other one :)`
`16:30.39`	`streuner`	`leira: use #flood`
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`16:31.36`	`lunitik`	`no one cares enless your server is important :/`
`16:31.43`	`lunitik`	`not worth the time to break in`
`16:32.02`	`flashdrv1k`	`Someone using openbox here?`
`16:32.15`	`streuner`	`!anyone`
`16:32.17`	`badgers`	`**anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean I* do.`
`16:32.20`	`stew`	`flashdrv1k: if you have a question just ask it, don't poll`
`16:32.21`	`lunitik`	`!tell flashdrv1k about ask`
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`16:32.27`	`jethro`	`lunitik: well as a matter of fact, I am maintaining some public servers, linux and bsd systems`
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`16:32.36`	`streuner`	`flashdrv1k: just ask, don't ask to ask`
`16:32.44`	`lunitik`	`wtf is badger? and where did apt go?`
`16:32.49`	`stew`	`lunitik: any public facing server is important enough for someone to want to break in`
`16:32.54`	`jethro`	`lunitik: and one might want to use your host to bounce attacks to more important systems`
`16:32.54`	`flashdrv1k`	`I know, but that is dumb, cause not many ppl use openbox.`
`16:33.02`	`streuner`	`lunitik: badgers is another bot`
`16:33.05`	`zhv`	`�� iptables?`
`16:33.06`	`jethro`	`lunitik: even if you don't have anything top secret in it`
`16:33.12`	`greycat`	`lunitik: apt has been on drugs for a year now.`
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`16:33.19`	`streuner`	`haha`
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`16:33.23`	`jethro`	`zhv: talk in english, please`
`16:33.23`	`greycat`	`lunitik: you mean "where did dpkg go?"? dpkg is sick.`
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`16:33.40`	`miro`	`oi`
`16:33.50`	`lunitik`	`greycat: nah... I used '~' ... which was apt's trigger last I was here :(`
`16:33.52`	`miro`	`alguem`
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`16:34.08`	`thingfish`	`miro: #debian-br`
`16:34.46`	`stew`	`~badger lunitik`
`16:34.55`	`lunitik`	`~talk`
`16:34.56`	`apt`	`somebody said talk was cheap because supply always exceeds demand.`
`16:35.09`	`lunitik`	`hmm`
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`16:35.14`	`thingfish`	`hehe that's a good one.`
`16:35.18`	`lunitik`	`maybe I didn't hit ~?`
`16:35.26`	`lunitik`	`~botsnack`
`16:35.26`	`apt`	`lunitik: :)`
`16:35.27`	`Luser`	`hehe, I like that one.`
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`16:35.58`	`flashdrv1k`	`[Openbox 3]xev knows the 'Print'-Button, so I did this to my rc.xml: <keybind key="Print"><action name="Execute"><execute>~/getscreen.sh</execute></action></keybind>`
`16:36.07`	`lunitik`	`ahh... I typed ! not ~ ... I'm a crackhead`
`16:36.11`	`flashdrv1k`	`But nothing happens if I press that button.`
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`16:36.36`	`whiskas`	`Hello.`
`16:36.50`	`lunitik`	`~lart lunitik`
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`16:37.23`	`greycat`	`oooh, the Albuquerque lart.`
`16:37.27`	`whiskas`	`Umm, I'm using distcc, and this debian box is part of the compile cluster. Thing is, the distcc client wants to run i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc as the compiler, but I don't seem to have that. Any ideas?`
`16:37.58`	`lunitik`	`~fearl`
`16:37.59`	`apt`	`rumour has it, fearl is too sexy for his aging pimped out Buick, or <-- whoever added this is lame...`
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`16:40.38`	`smhar`	`hi guys`
`16:40.38`	`hyqp`	`~fearl`
`16:40.39`	`apt`	`well, fearl is too sexy for his aging pimped out Buick, or <-- whoever added this is lame...`
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`16:40.49`	`vrushjjqn`	`~fearl`
`16:40.50`	`apt`	`fearl is probably too sexy for his aging pimped out Buick, or <-- whoever added this is lame...`
`16:40.50`	`*** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ`
`16:40.52`	`Zitter`	`wtf?`
`16:40.52`	`*** mode/#debian [+mi] by greycat`
`16:41.03`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@user-0cet1lt.cable.mindspring.com] by greycat`
`16:41.16`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@pcp09048648pcs.rocsth01.mi.comcast.net] by greycat`
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`16:41.40`	`*** mode/#debian [-i] by greycat`
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`16:42.08`	`*** mode/#debian [-m] by greycat`
`16:42.14`	`Rawplayer`	`wow`
`16:42.19`	`whiskas`	`Umm, I'm using distcc, and this debian box is part of the compile cluster. Thing is, the distcc client wants to run i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc as the compiler, but I don't seem to have that. Any ideas?`
`16:42.21`	`Rawplayer`	`children where playing again`
`16:42.21`	`Ronin`	`well i see the kiddes are on mom and dads computer again`
`16:42.26`	`Phated`	`Thanks greycat. :)`
`16:42.28`	`Rawplayer`	`yup :)`
`16:42.28`	`*** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat`
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`16:42.42`	`streuner`	`thanks greycat`
`16:42.50`	`greycat`	`I didn't get all of them with +b. I hope they were k-lined.`
`16:42.54`	`thingfish`	`yes, bravo! to greycat.`
`16:43.01`	`smhar`	`anyone can give me how debian is compared to slackware? and btw I am nok seeking a distro war`
`16:43.07`	`yangxx`	`when i do startx, i get errors: EE failed to load module xie; EE no devices detected; XIO Fatal IO error 104 connection reset by peer`
`16:43.10`	`Rawplayer`	`uhu it looks like they are klined`
`16:43.30`	`p8m`	`smhar: debian = good; slackware = bad;`
`16:43.46`	`smhar`	`p8m, why is that?`
`16:44.04`	`whiskas`	`smhar: Two words: Package Management.`
`16:44.38`	`greycat`	`!why debian`
`16:44.39`	`badgers`	`http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/`
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`16:45.35`	`Zitter`	`hi, to install php5 on sid, is it better to install it from source or find a .deb from apt-get.org?`
`16:45.44`	`omnistegan`	`what is the xf86 reconfigure command?`
`16:45.44`	`greycat`	`Zitter: "no".`
`16:45.50`	`greycat`	`!drxx omnistegan`
`16:45.56`	`greycat`	`bah!`
`16:45.59`	`jethro`	`heh`
`16:46.03`	`greycat`	`@drxx omnistegan`
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`16:46.11`	`Zitter`	`greycat, no... what?`
`16:46.17`	`lunitik`	`~bebob2`
`16:46.24`	`Zitter`	`!PHP5`
`16:46.24`	`badgers`	i guess php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system
`16:46.24`	`lunitik`	`~be bob2`
`16:46.25`	`apt`	`dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
`16:46.33`	`lunitik`	`omnistegan: ^^`
`16:46.42`	`omnistegan`	`thanks`
`16:46.50`	`greycat`	`badgers, drxx $1 is <reply> $1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
`16:46.51`	`badgers`	`okay, greycat`
`16:47.01`	`greycat`	`ravenbird, drxx $1 is <reply> $1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
`16:47.01`	`ravenbird`	`greycat: okay`
`16:47.13`	`whiskas`	`So noone knows how to make gcc callable through i686-pc-linux-gnu, as well?`
`16:47.17`	`Phated`	`Dpkg dead again, eh.`
`16:47.18`	`zhv`	`Help: start iptables? Debian 3.1`
`16:47.24`	`greycat`	`whiskas: symlink it from /usr/local/bin`
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`16:47.31`	`greycat`	`zhv: read /etc/init.d/README`
`16:47.35`	`smhar`	`whiskas, I 've been running slackware for more than amonth now and I installed several programs not from the cd and I didn't face any problem so far.. I wanted to do an ftp install and update but it is not available in slackware but I've read you can use some programs to it now..`
`16:47.38`	`whiskas`	`greycat: Won't that scrue some things up?`
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`16:47.52`	`greycat`	`whiskas: no`
`16:47.56`	`whiskas`	`smhar: Nah, package managemnt sux (imho) under slack.`
`16:48.06`	`greycat`	`anything you put in /usr/local is your own business`
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`16:48.13`	`whiskas`	`greycat: Have to be sure, cause the distcc client hast this i686-pc-linux-gnu thingie..`
`16:48.20`	`lunitik`	`whiskas: in everyones opinion`
`16:48.34`	`whiskas`	`Ooh, okay :)`
`16:48.34`	`lunitik`	`whiskas: however... some will argue that that is a good reason to use slack :/`
`16:48.42`	`whiskas`	`L O L`
`16:48.46`	`whiskas`	`That's why I got away from it.`
`16:48.59`	`whiskas`	`greycat: Soo... what do I symlink to what?`
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`16:49.49`	`smhar`	`whiskas, I've googled around for comparison between slackware and debian but all I found were comparison between one of then and redhad, mandrake or suse`
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`16:50.36`	`whiskas`	`smhar: Why don't you try'em both, and make up your own oppinions?`
`16:50.57`	`greycat`	`slackware isn't even a real OS. it's just a toy.`
`16:51.16`	`lunitik`	`smhar: comparison can be summarized as 'slack is simple and offers nothing to ease administration, debian offers many tools to facilitate administration, and is a lot easier to manage as a result'`
`16:51.26`	`whiskas`	`greycat: Sorry to be buggy, BUT, you sure it won't harm anything if symlinking?`
`16:51.52`	`greycat`	`whiskas: only if you removed a file by that name when you created the link, which you'd have to work to do.`
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`16:52.06`	`lunitik`	`smhar: also... it is worth noting that Slack is the work of one man - with numorous helpers that have no official role - while Debian is the work of over 1,000 different people`
`16:52.11`	`whiskas`	`greycat: Okay... so.. what to I symlink to what?`
`16:52.14`	`greycat`	`(or if you provide a symlink named 'ls' that points to 'rm' or something equally malicious)`
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`16:52.42`	`smhar`	`lunitik, so the advantage in debian is having configuration tools?`
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`16:52.56`	`greycat`	`!tell smhar about why debian`
`16:53.13`	`lunitik`	`smhar: amoungst other things... yes ... it automates far more...`
`16:53.26`	`smhar`	`lunitik, sorry I didn't see your last post and I think it is a good advantage`
`16:53.31`	`foobared`	`greycat: what do you mean by slackware isn't a real OS?`
`16:53.33`	`sean_micken`	`what are the files "dbootstrap_settings" and "install-report.template" in /root and is it safe to delete them?`
`16:53.41`	`bLAStY`	`anyone have a clue why I can't mount my new disk? I just editted the partition table in cfdisk, rebooted. and tried to mount it. but I get the wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1 error.. it shows up fine in /proc/partitions and the fstype is correct.`
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`16:53.57`	`sean_micken`	`bLAStY, you need to format the partition you want to mount.`
`16:54.06`	`thingfish`	`~tell smhar about why debian`
`16:54.07`	`bLAStY`	`how would I go on doing that ?`
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`16:54.16`	`sean_micken`	`bLAStY, what filesystem do you want to use?`
`16:54.19`	`bLAStY`	`ext2`
`16:54.24`	`bLAStY`	`mke2fs?`
`16:54.24`	`greycat`	`bLAStY: mkfs.ext2`
`16:54.26`	`sean_micken`	`mke2fs /dev/hdnx`
`16:54.31`	`greycat`	`mke2fs is a valid alternative`
`16:54.36`	`bLAStY`	`oki`
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`16:54.49`	`greycat`	`deprecated name, though`
`16:54.50`	`sean_micken`	`where n = harddrive and x = partition number.`
`16:55.04`	`lunitik`	`smhar: Debian just makes you more productive... most things just require customization when installed as they are already functional ... you can just spend more time actually doing what you wanted in the first place...`
`16:55.30`	`thingfish`	`oh sorry, smhar, I just saw that greycat sent you that same thing earlier than I did.`
`16:56.01`	`greycat`	`geez... apt's why debian is like a year old.`
`16:56.14`	`greycat`	`apt, why debian =~ s#2204/1/#2204/1/ or at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/#`
`16:56.14`	`apt`	`greycat: OK`
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`16:56.34`	`jethro`	`greycat: cause apt's been on drugs for a year now`
`16:56.37`	`greycat`	`of course, people.d.o is down :(`
`16:56.54`	`thingfish`	`yeah, srivasta's talk transcript is good.`
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`16:57.12`	`smhar`	`lunitik, but I was concered with one other thing. I read that slackware package vanilla software, so it is easy to compile things like the kernel and others.. how is that with debian?`
`16:57.23`	`greycat`	`smhar: /msg badgers kp`
`16:57.24`	`jethro`	`anyways, gotta go home get a glass my daily bowmore`
`16:57.42`	`thingfish`	`hehe jethro`
`16:57.47`	`thingfish`	`enjoy!`
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`16:58.02`	`lunitik`	`smhar: most things are pretty vanilla with Debian... there are usually tools to automate such command things though (like what greycat/apt just told you)`
`16:58.16`	`greycat`	`kernels and modules are very special in all distros. debian is no exception.`
`16:58.17`	`doggie`	`people.debian.org seems to be down from here? can anyone confirm?`
`16:58.27`	`greycat`	`don't assume ANYTHING about kernels and modules.`
`16:58.30`	`greycat`	`doggie: /topic`
`16:58.54`	`lunitik`	`smhar: however... Debian tends to take out things that are not considered entirely free in the codebase... and adds patches they deem to be necissary...`
`16:59.05`	`doggie`	`whoops`
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`17:00.05`	`lunitik`	`smhar: if you have used Slack for a while... Debian will be a delight once you start to figure out the little things...`
`17:00.26`	`Phated`	`Quite possibly if you've used anything for a while.`
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`17:00.34`	`thingfish`	`Amen.`
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`17:01.11`	`lunitik`	`Phated: people that have used RH/Fedora, Mandrake or SUSE often miss the graphic config tools... but otherwise, yes...`
`17:01.24`	`lunitik`	`Phated: there is certainly a higher learning curve for them though...`
`17:01.31`	`Phated`	`I've used RH. 'nuff said.`
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`17:01.39`	`difeta`	`hey all! How can i find out what package provides the file gl.h?`
`17:01.45`	`Oorad`	`how do you remove a package with apt-get ?`
`17:01.57`	`Phated`	`apt-get remove.`
`17:02.04`	`streuner`	`defeta: /msg badgers search?`
`17:02.04`	`lunitik`	`difeta: apt-file`
`17:02.14`	`lunitik`	`difeta: apt-cache show apt-file`
`17:02.42`	`thingfish`	`Oorad: it's a good idea to look at man pages for answers to questions like that one.`
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`17:03.08`	`smhar`	`lunitik, I think I will give it a try.. my computer is an athlon 1000 so I cannot use things like gentoo, and I am not buying a new one soon.. so I am in the search for the perfect distro for me to stick with. I already removed any rpm based from my list -although I have mandrake 10.1 in my wife's P3 866 pc. and I was thinking of either slackware or debian.. but I thing debian desere a try`
`17:03.10`	`difeta`	`lunitik, thanks`
`17:03.12`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: too obvious .. try again :)`
`17:03.12`	`vaq`	`In which packget is xsetbg in?`
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`17:03.18`	`abrotman`	`!tell vaq about search`
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`17:03.34`	`aardvark`	`abrotman: don't bother, he's a habitual fucktard`
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`17:03.41`	`vaq`	`abrotman: i tryd apt-cache search xsetbg - Nothing..`
`17:03.54`	`streuner`	`!tell xetbg about search`
`17:04.04`	`streuner`	`!tell xsetbg about search`
`17:04.11`	`vaq`	`ehm...`
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`17:04.11`	`abrotman`	`vaq: right .. did oyu try apt-file .. or packages.debian.org ?`
`17:04.23`	`aardvark`	`hm`
`17:04.26`	`aardvark`	`another floodbot?`
`17:04.27`	`streuner`	`vaq: hm, should be blackbox, AFAIK`
`17:04.31`	`lunitik`	`smhar: if you give it a decent try... you def won't be disappointed`
`17:04.43`	`vaq`	`streuner: it should be in another packget too...`
`17:04.51`	`abrotman`	`~find xsetbg`
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`17:05.07`	`streuner`	`knusper:/home/user# apt-file search xsetbg`
`17:05.08`	`streuner`	`xloadimage: usr/bin/xsetbg`
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`17:05.15`	`lunitik`	`smhar: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <-- use this to install... the regular install blows junks`
`17:05.22`	`abrotman`	`apt: hellp`
`17:05.23`	`abrotman`	`apt: hello`
`17:05.23`	`apt`	`hola`
`17:05.24`	`vaq`	`thanks.`
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`17:05.25`	`thingfish`	`I am a habitual fucktard, but I hope I'm not the one aardvark was talking about.`
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`17:05.27`	`abrotman`	`ok ..`
`17:05.29`	`lunitik`	`~hi`
`17:05.30`	`apt`	`hello, lunitik`
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`17:05.45`	`lunitik`	`~hi`
`17:05.46`	`apt`	`hello, lunitik`
`17:05.46`	`aardvark`	`thingfish: no, in this instance, i was refering to vaq\|webby\|tardfest`
`17:05.57`	`greycat`	`thingfish: if you're a fucktard, then the others I've been plonking must be mildew.`
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`17:06.00`	`dacerDebianizado`	`hi, topic say gnome 2.10 is not available yet (debian packages), are these true ?`
`17:06.05`	`lunitik`	`gah... wtf happened to welcome $user to this IRCdom of many?`
`17:06.08`	`brosio`	`anyone known a repository for hndtools-mipsel-linux-3.0 ?`
`17:06.09`	`abrotman`	`dacerDebianizado: yes ...`
`17:06.11`	`*** part/#debian vaq (~vaq@lars.web52.dk)`
`17:06.13`	`dacerDebianizado`	`umm`
`17:06.14`	`abrotman`	`brosio: apt-get.org`
`17:06.17`	`smhar`	`lunitik, I have no problem with text based installed, I was a DOS man for a long time :-)`
`17:06.24`	`greycat`	`!hi lunitik`
`17:06.26`	`badgers`	`Many greetings, lunitik, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.`
`17:06.29`	`thingfish`	`ok thanks, aardvark. And greycat, how sweet of you.`
`17:06.43`	`brosio`	`abrotman, better answer is goole`
`17:06.47`	`brosio`	`google`
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`17:07.01`	`aardvark`	`JQZLXnW: are you one of fearl's floodbots?`
`17:07.09`	`abrotman`	`brosio: not really .. apt-get.org has tons of unofficial repositories`
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`17:07.19`	`lunitik`	`smhar: its not even that... the normal installer for Debian (boot-floppies) is just crap... debian-installer is text based also... but sucks far far far less`
`17:07.19`	`Phated`	`fearl... The name sounds familiar.`
`17:07.26`	`lunitik`	`Phated: yes`
`17:07.32`	`aardvark`	`Phated: fucktarded troll, fearl.`
`17:07.38`	`lunitik`	`Phated: we knocked heads at least twice`
`17:07.52`	`Phated`	`Ah yes, fucktard of about seven months back. I remember now.`
`17:08.08`	`abrotman`	`yes ... the only one in seven months`
`17:08.11`	`smhar`	`lunitik, I liked slackware installed better than FC3 and Mandrake 10.1 :-)`
`17:08.30`	`greycat`	`the sarge installer is really nice as long as you aren't on 10 year old hardware`
`17:08.33`	`lunitik`	`smhar: It does its job I guess :/`
`17:08.47`	`abrotman`	`or 10 second old hardware :)`
`17:09.02`	`feng-_-`	`what is the current stable release of Debian ?`
`17:09.06`	`abrotman`	`woody`
`17:09.10`	`abrotman`	`3.0r4`
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`17:09.12`	`smhar`	`lunitik, my question now is, should I install testing now or wait for the stable as it is to be released soon, I heared?`
`17:09.15`	`greycat`	`abrotman: I've used it without serious slowness on a pentium ~200`
`17:09.18`	`feng-_-`	`Thanks`
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`17:09.24`	`greycat`	`abrotman: but it dragged ass on an hppa 100 Mhz box`
`17:09.27`	`abrotman`	`greycat: where were you for my dist-upgrade on my 486? :)`
`17:09.35`	`Phated`	`He got bored. :)`
`17:09.40`	`greycat`	`abrotman: talk to lazarus about that stuff...`
`17:09.41`	`lunitik`	`smhar: the installer I gave you would have you install sarge... so you can probably assume my answer with this knowledge :P`
`17:09.43`	`abrotman`	`it only took 6 or so hours :)`
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`17:09.49`	`penguin`	`What starts dhcp on Debian?`
`17:09.54`	`greycat`	`penguin: ifup`
`17:09.55`	`aardvark`	`penguin: fairies`
`17:09.56`	`js_`	`isnt grub or lilo installed inside mbr?`
`17:09.57`	`Phated`	`O abrotman of infinite patience. :)`
`17:09.57`	`abrotman`	`whihc .. dhcpd or dhcp client?`
`17:10.01`	`smhar`	`lunitik, I meant I liked the slackware 'nstaller' :-)`
`17:10.03`	`penguin`	`client`
`17:10.03`	`greycat`	`js_: normally`
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`17:10.06`	`abrotman`	`Phated: i lvoe that box :)`
`17:10.06`	`js_`	`or does mbr point to the location where grub or lilo is installed?`
`17:10.12`	`abrotman`	`!yinzersmite nvz`
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`17:10.21`	`greycat`	`penguin: ifup`
`17:10.21`	`Phated`	`abrotman: It's the only reason you'd bother you dist-upgrade it. ;)`
`17:10.23`	`abrotman`	`badgers: you suck`
`17:10.23`	`badgers`	`Dream on, abrotman. These lips will never touch your flesh.`
`17:10.28`	`Phated`	`HAHA`
`17:10.29`	`js_`	`greycat: ok`
`17:10.34`	`greycat`	`I'm still proud of that one.`
`17:10.42`	`penguin`	`Im behind a linksys box, and did apt-get remove dhcp and could not figure out how to get internet connection.`
`17:10.46`	`nvz`	`heh`
`17:10.47`	`Phated`	`greycat: Rightly so.`
`17:11.02`	`greycat`	`penguin: well that would have been really stupid if dhcp were the client...`
`17:11.03`	`Phated`	`Hey, I have a linksys, yay.`
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`17:11.16`	`streuner`	`penguin: /msg badgers dhcp client`
`17:11.23`	`nvz`	`I just had to reboot winders to get in here, cause the SOB refused to kill firefox.exe which didnt even seem to be running`
`17:11.37`	`greycat`	`nvz: install debian`
`17:11.40`	`smhar`	`lunitik, good.and when the new stable is released, what should I do? reinstall/update or something?`
`17:11.47`	`abrotman`	`nvz: .exe? .. what's that?`
`17:11.48`	`Phated`	`You know, if you didn't do and apt-get clean, maybe you could dpkg -i the dhcp client?`
`17:11.51`	`Rawplayer`	`is there any manual to strip down a debian install so that u only have a running linux distro what boots`
`17:11.52`	`greycat`	`smhar: just update`
`17:11.54`	`nvz`	`it just blows me away how much windows still sucks after all these years I've been using debian`
`17:11.55`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`17:11.56`	`badgers`	`Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`17:11.56`	`penguin`	`I want to have a connection without using dhcp`
`17:12.02`	`aardvark`	`nvz: try process explorer`
`17:12.05`	`greycat`	`penguin: man interfaces`
`17:12.06`	`lunitik`	`smhar: if sarge ever is actually released... you would be using it after a simple 'apt-get dist-upgrade'...`
`17:12.14`	`greycat`	`penguin: man resolv.conf`
`17:12.21`	`nvz`	`aardvark: yeah, the "End Now" button? I pressed some 40 times?`
`17:12.25`	`streuner`	`penguin: DHCP is easy, why don't you want it?`
`17:12.29`	`greycat`	`!wikifaq penguin NetworkingPage`
`17:12.29`	`Phated`	`WTF kind of a bug is "firefox crashes"?`
`17:12.31`	`nvz`	`haha, like that does anything`
`17:12.37`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: one day .. one day ..`
`17:12.42`	`penguin`	`I want to remove dhcp so I can name the box.`
`17:12.48`	`debia1`	`salve,`
`17:12.50`	`greycat`	`penguin: do you want a pony too?`
`17:12.59`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: I'm not holding my breath... thats for sure :P`
`17:13.00`	`abrotman`	`!prize greycat`
`17:13.10`	`debia1`	`qualcuno puo aiutarmi`
`17:13.18`	`abrotman`	`ermm . !es ?`
`17:13.23`	`abrotman`	`ah`
`17:13.24`	`abrotman`	`!it`
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`17:13.37`	`abrotman`	`~it`
`17:13.45`	`abrotman`	`we do have an italian channel don't we?`
`17:13.45`	`streuner`	`!italian`
`17:13.45`	`xam`	`!beer xam`
`17:13.46`	`penguin`	`Why wouldnt route add work after removing dhcp?`
`17:13.47`	`badgers`	`well, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it`
`17:13.48`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: you suck at bots`
`17:14.00`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: i suck at the broken badgers bot`
`17:14.06`	`Phated`	`s/at // ;)`
`17:14.11`	`nvz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:14.17`	`greycat`	`hah, ravenbird's "it" factoid is a bit different`
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`17:14.27`	`streuner`	`penguin: scroll up, and read what greycat told you`
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`17:14.37`	`aardvark`	`spambot.`
`17:14.40`	`aardvark`	`gone`
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`17:14.50`	`penguin`	`I read several suggestions which I tried already`
`17:14.55`	`smhar`	`lunitik, ok.. I buy it.. I am going to install it tonight.. now should I do a net install or download the full CD(s). I have a 512kbps adsl connection`
`17:14.56`	`abrotman`	`aardvark: they'll be back`
`17:15.03`	`streuner`	`penguin: man interfaces?`
`17:15.11`	`lunitik`	`smhar: I would recommend the net inst image`
`17:15.12`	`penguin`	`Been there did that`
`17:15.17`	`abrotman`	`aardvark: though .. i haven't gotten any /msg spam in a while`
`17:15.26`	`Rawplayer`	`!strip`
`17:15.26`	`badgers`	`!lart rawplayer`
`17:15.31`	`Rawplayer`	`!debianstrip`
`17:15.32`	`lunitik`	`smhar: mainly cuz downloading software twice in a day seems tedious :P`
`17:15.35`	`streuner`	`penguin: good read examples in /usr/share/ifupdown/examples/ too`
`17:15.49`	`penguin`	`Is a linksys dsl switch a gateway?`
`17:16.13`	`streuner`	`sure`
`17:16.23`	`nvz`	`using the words switch and gateway together is an oxymoron`
`17:16.34`	`Rawplayer`	`greycat (sorry for highlight) do you know perhaps if there is a manual/howto to strip down debian to the bottom so that you have only a linux system with no apps/services etc..`
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`17:16.43`	`streuner`	`penguin: those DSL/modems are usually gateways/routers`
`17:16.52`	`smhar`	`lunitik, done :-) I am downloading netinst image right now`
`17:16.54`	`penguin`	`How do I know its IP address?`
`17:16.54`	`abrotman`	`Rawplayer: uninstall them ?`
`17:17.02`	`lunitik`	`smhar: yay.. good luck :)`
`17:17.06`	`streuner`	`penguin: route -n`
`17:17.08`	`xam`	`streuner: what: a router of a gateway ducks?`
`17:17.19`	`xam`	`of=or`
`17:17.21`	`smhar`	`lunitik, btw thanks for the help and all the other ppl as well`
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`17:17.32`	`lunitik`	`smhar: you're welcome :P`
`17:17.38`	`streuner`	`xam: well, people called it router, in US they call it gateway`
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`17:18.03`	`streuner`	`s/called/call/`
`17:18.11`	`SquareRt`	`Coda, Intermezzo or AFS?`
`17:18.15`	`streuner`	`xam: in europe we call the same thing router`
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`17:18.18`	`penguin`	`route -n brings what I thought`
`17:18.19`	`dupondje`	`hi guys !`
`17:18.23`	`xam`	`streuner: in europe we call it either DSL modems of DSL routers (depending on whether it is capable of routing)`
`17:18.24`	`Rawplayer`	`what was the command for the dpkg bot again to put your linux install on a cd`
`17:18.28`	`dupondje`	`hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }`
`17:18.34`	`xam`	`of=or`
`17:18.35`	`dupondje`	`hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=46533317, sector=26018312`
`17:18.42`	`dupondje`	`hdd failure ?`
`17:18.42`	`nvz`	`Rawplayer: not that it would matter, since there is no dpkg bot`
`17:18.42`	`penguin`	`Now how come after removing dhcp, Debian no longer sets up my NIC`
`17:18.47`	`dupondje`	`or could it be fixxed ?`
`17:18.56`	`asg`	`Rawplayer: install bootcd ; /usr/share/doc/bootcd/* (for a live cd of a running system.)`
`17:19.05`	`penguin`	`And further after removing dhcp-client, route add brings an error?`
`17:19.08`	`lunitik`	`penguin: because /etc/network/interfaces doesn't tell it how?`
`17:19.08`	`Rawplayer`	`ok thanks`
`17:19.11`	`streuner`	`penguin: BECAUSE YOU DON'T LISTEN WHAT PEOPLE TOLD YOU`
`17:19.14`	`SquareRt`	`penguin: how is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces.dpkg-new?`
`17:19.21`	`SquareRt`	`penguin: how is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces?*`
`17:19.28`	`lunitik`	`streuner: yelling is not necissary`
`17:19.28`	`SquareRt`	`penguin: man interfaces`
`17:19.29`	`lunitik`	`:P`
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`17:19.50`	`SquareRt`	`penguin: then use that as a guide to configuring it properly`
`17:19.53`	`abrotman`	`why is he electric?`
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`17:20.01`	`SquareRt`	`penguin: and, your network interface is dead... netcraft confirms it ;)`
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`17:20.07`	`SquareRt`	`netcraft: right? ;)`
`17:20.21`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: that spelling wasn't even close :)`
`17:20.24`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: because he has more electrons than protons?`
`17:20.27`	`penguin`	`I set up /etc/network/interfaces as per debian linux networking and tutorial.`
`17:20.43`	`netcraft`	`SquareRt, yes :p`
`17:20.47`	`LSorensen`	`dupondje: Looks like either hd failure or cable trouble.`
`17:20.50`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: I failed English class... it's probably related`
`17:21.11`	`SquareRt`	`netcraft: just pity that poor fellow initech or initrode when he comes in ;)`
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`17:21.15`	`LSorensen`	`duj: time to get data off drive and replace the drive I think. then you can test the drive somewhere else to see if it has to go or not (or be replaced under warrenty perhaps)`
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`17:21.36`	`foobar`	`hi`
`17:21.43`	`PEACEYALL`	`when i press file - print , i get: "There was an error loading kdeprint_cups. The diagnostics is: Library files for "kdeprint_cups.la" not found in paths." , wats the problem??`
`17:21.56`	`foobar`	`I installed a firefox extension, and it caused firefox to no longer run...`
`17:21.59`	`foobar`	`i uninstalled`
`17:22.02`	`foobar`	`then reinstalle`
`17:22.08`	`foobar`	`it still wont run anymore :(`
`17:22.13`	`penguin`	`auto eth0`
`17:22.29`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: (assuming you are refering to my spelling of 'necissary' ... if username... it refers to a CD`
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`17:22.41`	`penguin`	`iface eth0 inet`
`17:22.46`	`gary`	`Guys, suddenly when i try to start linux using lilo, i select the option i want and press enter: It then errors straight away with: "Loading Linux EBDA is big; Kernel setup stack overlaps lilo second stage --------- Any ideas what's wrong here?`
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`17:23.03`	`nvz`	`I am only seconds away from abandoning this pc before I beat the hell out of ti`
`17:23.18`	`Phated`	`iface eth0 inet is still missing either 'static' or 'dhcp'.`
`17:23.22`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: the former`
`17:23.24`	`nvz`	`I don't know why even the most simple mudane tasks have to be so complicated in windows`
`17:23.34`	`penguin`	`I have dhcp in there also`
`17:23.34`	`Phated`	`nvz: If you abandon it, how can you beat it?`
`17:23.38`	`abrotman`	`nvz: kill it! .. donate it to the TVA!`
`17:23.42`	`Phated`	`But you have no DHCP client?`
`17:23.46`	`penguin`	`Im completely confused`
`17:23.48`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: accorrding to dictionary.com ... I was only 1 letter off, picky bastard`
`17:23.50`	`lunitik`	`:P`
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`17:23.57`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: ok`
`17:24.00`	`nvz`	`TVA?`
`17:24.12`	`Phated`	`One letter is the difference between rapper and raper.`
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`17:24.29`	`Phated`	`Though the latter isn't a real word.`
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`17:24.48`	`LSorensen`	`foobar: so remove the extension and don't install it again until someone has fixed it. also installing extensions through anything other than debian packages does not work on debian since debian hasn't found any way to link debian packages and mozilla's weird extension installer so they went with doing it their own way (making mozilla .xsi's not work on debian)`
`17:25.01`	`adjacent`	`whats the standard command line mailer?`
`17:25.01`	`lunitik`	`Phated: dictionary.com disagrees`
`17:25.03`	`Phated`	`penguin: You obviously cannot expect DHCP configuration of your network interface when you have no DHCP client.`
`17:25.13`	`Phated`	`lunitik: With which of my statements?`
`17:25.20`	`streuner`	`adjacent: mutt?`
`17:25.27`	`nvz`	`this ($)@#$%*#$ will not d/l anything from gnutella, I got my d/l at 40, and 0 currently d/l and yet any of 100 I select end up Queued`
`17:25.28`	`lunitik`	`Phated Though the latter isn't a real word.`
`17:25.30`	`caphuso`	`adjacent: mailx`
`17:25.37`	`foobar`	`LSorensen, eh? They work.. it was just the gmail one`
`17:25.38`	`penguin`	`First question: Do I need to use dhcp with a linksys dsl switch?`
`17:25.39`	`adjacent`	`streuner: nah, something i can call from a bash script to send myself an emal`
`17:25.42`	`foobar`	`I removed the extensions dir`
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`17:25.43`	`Phated`	`lunitik: Which actually serves to strengthen my point.`
`17:25.49`	`foobar`	`apt-get remove mozilla-firefox`
`17:25.51`	`streuner`	`adjacent: listen to caphuso`
`17:25.52`	`foobar`	`and purged it`
`17:25.56`	`LSorensen`	`foobar: they often don't work`
`17:25.58`	`adjacent`	`thanks`
`17:25.59`	`foobar`	`the problem persists when I reinstall`
`17:26.08`	`Phated`	`lunitik: Be that as it may... Today is not the day to debate spelling or grammar.`
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`17:26.16`	`caphuso`	`adjacent: if you can use mutt, do so. it's way nicer than mailx`
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`17:26.28`	`lunitik`	`Phated: he started it points`
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`17:26.51`	`LSorensen`	`foobar: how will removing the firefox package fix a broken extension file most likely found in your user's home dir? Last I checked the mozilla (and firefox) maintainer on debian said not to install extensions using mozilla's packages if you wanted to make sure things didn't break`
`17:26.58`	`Phated`	`lunitik: He's a grammar Nazi. I am merely grammar police. I defer to his authority.`
`17:27.38`	`LSorensen`	`foobar: most of the time with mozilla/firefox breaks, removing your users .firefox/.mozilla dir fixes it. removing and reisntalling the package does nothing since it is very unlieklyl the debian package files ever get corrupted`
`17:27.51`	`abrotman`	`Phated: heh`
`17:27.54`	`LSorensen`	`foobar: corruption in your user files that mozilla manages on the other hand is very common`
`17:27.56`	`nvz`	`there is no point even trying to do anything on here, my efforts are futile.`
`17:28.03`	`abrotman`	`Phated: i don't think i should be an anything nazi`
`17:28.04`	`Phated`	`abrotman: Scrub out your mind, you dirty perv. :)`
`17:28.25`	`foobar`	`I removed ~/.mozilla, the dir under /usr/lib, and did a dpkg purge of firefox`
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`17:28.32`	`Phated`	`abrotman: You manage to be nazi in a lot of ways, though, deary.`
`17:28.35`	`foobar`	`the blasted thing wont run when i apt-get install it`
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`17:28.44`	`foobar`	`I ran it from the cli...`
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`17:28.46`	`abrotman`	`Phated: don't tell my parents .. they'd be so disappointed :)`
`17:28.50`	`foobar`	`it does nothing`
`17:28.58`	`foobar`	`no errors or anything displayed :(`
`17:28.58`	`abrotman`	`foobar: you're being vague`
`17:29.05`	`jelly`	`Hey, where's dpkg bot?`
`17:29.16`	`streuner`	`jelly: in vacation`
`17:29.18`	`Phated`	`abrotman: Heh.`
`17:29.18`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: flash ?`
`17:29.31`	`nvz`	`jelly: vacation, dpkg is unpacking somewhere`
`17:29.42`	`abrotman`	`jelly: vacation .. some south pacific island iirc`
`17:29.59`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: I don't think so... although its supported here...`
`17:30.16`	`jelly`	`grunt. so who can tell me whom to ask when will php 4.3.11 be packaged.`
`17:30.19`	`Phated`	`lunitik: Good work there... I have 19 tabs with... about 50MB?`
`17:30.35`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: just a possibility .. Many people complain about firefox being a hog .. And don't you have something better to do then watching baseball games?`
`17:30.36`	`streuner`	`badgers, info php4`
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`17:30.45`	`badgers`	`php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-10 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB`
`17:30.50`	`Phated`	`abrotman: 'than'. ;)`
`17:30.58`	`abrotman`	`yes .. Phated is correct`
`17:30.59`	`aFlag`	`what do i need to get in order to watch swf?`
`17:31.00`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: no actually... I don't have school until Tuesday :P`
`17:31.07`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: slacker`
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`17:31.22`	`Phated`	`Hah, I don't have school till 23 May. Sucka!`
`17:31.29`	`abrotman`	`i don't have school`
`17:31.32`	`abrotman`	`ever again`
`17:31.35`	`Phated`	`You do have an annoying boss.`
`17:31.39`	`LSorensen`	`foobar: don't delete files in /usr/lib manually. they belong to packages. don't put files there manually either for that matter.`
`17:31.47`	`abrotman`	`Phated: not annoying .. just moronic :)`
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`17:31.55`	`Phated`	`abrotman: Even worse! :)`
`17:31.55`	`LSorensen`	`foobar: I have seen firefox break with bad .firefox/.mozilla dirs before`
`17:31.59`	`foobar`	`ugh`
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`17:32.04`	`LSorensen`	`foobar: they both seem to matter`
`17:32.06`	`foobar`	`I had an errant firefox process running`
`17:32.06`	`jelly`	`ok, next best question: does anyone know how to tell pear to download a specific version of a package?`
`17:32.11`	`foobar`	`it was zombied`
`17:32.12`	`asg`	`for anyone that cares, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00008.html (new info on gluck including partial resoration)`
`17:32.13`	`foobar`	`:(`
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`17:32.23`	`LSorensen`	`foobar: that would cause it to not start too`
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`17:32.37`	`LSorensen`	`foobar: since it will try to contact the running one to start a new window`
`17:32.47`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: do you have a younger sibling?`
`17:32.49`	`foobar`	`I know`
`17:32.56`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: 4 of em`
`17:33.01`	`Phated`	`lunitik: One can be annoying without being moronic. Similarly, one can be moronic without being annoying, as long as said moron stays out of the way.`
`17:33.03`	`foobar`	`either that, are give me that stupid "choose a different profile" screen`
`17:33.05`	`foobar`	`I hate that`
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`17:33.33`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: they are annoying .. the boss that can't balance a checkbook .. moronic :)`
`17:33.34`	`lunitik`	`Phated: I understood the former... thank you for enlightening me to the latter :P`
`17:33.39`	`foobar`	`I have a list of about 10 profiles named things like "fuck", "idiot" "whatever", "other_user"`
`17:33.56`	`Lorvija`	`Hey, does linux touch the syslog/authlog or similar when they become too big or can they be any sized?`
`17:33.58`	`Phated`	`lunitik: No worries. :)`
`17:34.01`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: ohhh... haha... take it thats rather a small company :)`
`17:34.07`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: yep`
`17:34.39`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: which team are you rooting for?`
`17:34.52`	`PEACEYALL`	`when i press file - print , i get: "There was an error loading kdeprint_cups. The diagnostics is: Library files for "kdeprint_cups.la" not found in paths." , wats the problem??`
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`17:35.24`	`abrotman`	`airco: baseball :)`
`17:35.29`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: rooting for any teams this year is irrelivant pretty much... yanks will win it... I want St Louis to at least take 2 games in the WS though :P`
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`17:35.46`	`yangxx`	`when i do startx i get errors; (EE) Failed to load module "xie" (module does not exist, 0), Not loading .note.GNU-stack, (EE) No devices detected., no screens found, XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"`
`17:35.46`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: are you from st louis?`
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`17:35.59`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: not even an America... live in Arizona though`
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`17:36.18`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: you can root for the diamondbacks .. it's ok .. we won't laugh .. much`
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`17:36.25`	`DebianTestr`	`Does anyone know why squid shows TCP_MISS in the logs when the file is stored in the cache?`
`17:36.30`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: just think they are a good team when you take into account for payroll`
`17:36.33`	`airco`	`abrotman: yeah i got that, i was just musing on the "rooting" part (forgive me the lame joke, i've been staring at my screen for like 8 hours :) )`
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`17:36.43`	`abrotman`	`airco: time to go home then`
`17:37.03`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: they are .. i have a feeling the cardinals won't make the WS though`
`17:37.07`	`airco`	`abrotman: this IS home :-P (i'm at uni, working on thesis)`
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`17:37.17`	`abrotman`	`airco: eww`
`17:37.18`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: who would get in their way?`
`17:37.25`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: most of the NL is crap`
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`17:37.35`	`airco`	`abrotman: yeah, that about sums it up`
`17:37.43`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: atlanta possibly .. or even the cubs(if they can stay healthy) .. hell .. even Florida`
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`17:38.04`	`imahcine`	`w00t, motherfuckers.`
`17:38.07`	`imahcine`	`:)`
`17:38.15`	`abrotman`	`oh .. i thought he was gone`
`17:38.22`	`imahcine`	`and DAMN.`
`17:38.24`	`imahcine`	`he is not.`
`17:38.31`	`imahcine`	`;d`
`17:38.36`	`abrotman`	`!kick imahcine`
`17:38.38`	`LSorensen`	`abrotman: should he be?`
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`17:38.44`	`dambodog`	`how do i check which devices are connected to my machine - i am trying to mount my scsci card- where should i look for it ? /dev/?`
`17:38.45`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: without Wright, they will not win as many games as last year... and in a series, they have the worst matchup against almost anyone in that area... Cubs have no offence`
`17:38.53`	`lunitik`	`offense even`
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`17:38.57`	`abrotman`	`LSorensen: no .. not really .. not that i'm aware at any rate .. just sunday-ish :)`
`17:39.00`	`imahcine`	`not only i am gone abrotman i am also after 6 beers :)`
`17:39.05`	`LSorensen`	`dambodog: you mount filesystems, not controller cards. you load drivers for cards`
`17:39.12`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: hudson makes up for that`
`17:39.20`	`imahcine`	`<rocmtheworld>`
`17:39.27`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: and the cubs have enough offense`
`17:39.36`	`Cyclonus`	`what do you think about some -dev packages with their main packages?`
`17:39.37`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: pitching is key`
`17:39.43`	`Cyclonus`	`+merging`
`17:39.45`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: they have no one else though... Smoltz is looking like he should have stayed in the pen`
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`17:39.59`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: give him time .. it was his first start in what .. 5 years?`
`17:39.59`	`carbon60`	`Good afternoon all.`
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`17:40.09`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, how come youre aparently known here, yet still behaved like a 14 year old prick beforehand? ;]`
`17:40.13`	`dambodog`	`LSorensen, ok. how do I check if my scsi card has been loaded?`
`17:40.13`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: Cardinals match up with pitching and defence...`
`17:40.18`	`abrotman`	`imahcine: i am 14 .. remember?`
`17:40.21`	`LSorensen`	`dambodog: well what kind of card?`
`17:40.26`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: 4 :P`
`17:40.31`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, oh, ok.`
`17:40.42`	`abrotman`	`imahcine: and well .. actually .. you're the one that did .. i only told the bot to tell you to stop hitting enter after every third word .. and you flipped out`
`17:40.45`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, sorry bad memory, too much drink/smoke.`
`17:40.55`	`imahcine`	`w00t abrotman.`
`17:41.13`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: it's an iffy thing .. the whole NL is iffy :)`
`17:41.13`	`imahcine`	`c001 c001 u R d 1337.`
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`17:41.24`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: even LA is a possibility`
`17:41.31`	`imahcine`	`LA/NL`
`17:41.34`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: which one?`
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`17:41.44`	`abrotman`	`the only NL team in LA afaik`
`17:41.48`	`abrotman`	`the dodgers?`
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`17:41.51`	`imahcine`	`legalize it! fuckersh ;[`
`17:41.55`	`abrotman`	`angels are AL`
`17:42.01`	`elirips`	`hello. i have a modem attached via serial port 1. if i want to use that modem, do i have to install any additional drivers, or will it work just like this?`
`17:42.16`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: heh... the Angels are now the "Los Angeles Angels of Aneheim" ... longest team name is the history of teams :P`
`17:42.21`	`imahcine`	`elirips, should work just like this`
`17:42.30`	`elirips`	`imahcine: thanks.`
`17:42.31`	`imahcine`	`elirips, its just a serial port commm then`
`17:42.32`	`imahcine`	`:]`
`17:42.35`	`abrotman`	`elirips: should come up as ttyS0 iirc`
`17:42.39`	`lunitik`	`s/is/in/`
`17:42.40`	`imahcine`	`at least in bsd.`
`17:42.46`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: i know`
`17:42.50`	`imahcine`	`i dont know loonix reallhy ;]`
`17:42.55`	`elirips`	`abrotman: thanks, gonna try it.`
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`17:43.18`	`abrotman`	`elirips: don't forget to turn the modem on :)`
`17:43.27`	`lunitik`	`imahcine: running a BSD kernel with Debian?`
`17:43.45`	`elirips`	`abrotman: must be on already while booting?`
`17:43.46`	`LSorensen`	`elirips: external serial modems should just work`
`17:43.58`	`abrotman`	`elirips: erm .. not sure .. but i would :)`
`17:44.04`	`imahcine`	`lunitik, no,`
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`17:44.32`	`imahcine`	`running a FreeBSD kernel with 4.11 freebsd, 5.4 FreeBSD and 2.0.2 NetBSD`
`17:44.34`	`elirips`	`and another question about modem: how can i give every user right to use 'kppp' to dial in? at the moment only root can use it.`
`17:44.52`	`lunitik`	`imahcine: you should try checking out Debian GNU/kFreeBSD`
`17:44.56`	`imahcine`	`elirips, vim /etc/group`
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`17:45.06`	`imahcine`	`lunitik, i hear of it. i dont like it. i like freebsd`
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`17:46.01`	`lunitik`	`imahcine: its a freebsd kernel with Debian tools... less for you learn about Debian...`
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`17:46.05`	`godsmoke`	`imahcine: it is freebsd ...`
`17:46.09`	`abrotman`	`wtf was that`
`17:46.18`	`asg`	`what?`
`17:46.19`	`LSorensen`	`elirips: don't use kppp garbage. use pppconfig and pon/poff`
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`17:46.35`	`abrotman`	`asg: i've never gotten "connection reset by peer" in my life`
`17:46.38`	`Cyclonus`	`what's the point of GNU/kFreeBSD besides "uh hu"?`
`17:46.39`	`ptlis`	`Is there any way of setting file permissions on a directory & have it applied to all subdirectories and files below it?`
`17:46.40`	`lunitik`	`asg: you asking anyone in peticular? :P`
`17:46.41`	`LSorensen`	`elirips: kppp often fails and gives odd errors when nothing is wrong. and it doesn't do things the way debian expects`
`17:46.45`	`imahcine`	`lunitik, i know what it is. i heard about it. i prefer *bsd or linux.`
`17:46.46`	`greycat`	`elirips: I surely hope you mean to dial out, not to dial in.`
`17:46.53`	`imahcine`	`in which case i surely prefer DEBIAN.`
`17:46.59`	`valdyn`	`ptlis: chmod -R`
`17:46.59`	`LSorensen`	`elirips: it is not kde's business to manage hardware and network links`
`17:47.03`	`ptlis`	`Thanks.`
`17:47.04`	`lunitik`	`Cyclonus: exactly that... someone wants to use FreeBSD's kernel with Debian/GNU tools`
`17:47.07`	`imahcine`	`since that seems the onlhy LOGICAL lin dist.`
`17:47.08`	`abrotman`	`imahcine: you tried dragonfly yet?`
`17:47.13`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, no.`
`17:47.21`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, i believe in fbsd.`
`17:47.26`	`Cyclonus`	`does Debian chgrp/chmod/chown all support -h finally?`
`17:47.32`	`abrotman`	`imahcine: just wondering`
`17:47.33`	`LSorensen`	`Cyclonus: the point is to have apt-get and debian's user space (like sysv init and bash as defauolt shell) rather than csh and the ports mess :)`
`17:47.34`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, and besides, dont you take me for an idiot yet.`
`17:47.38`	`asg`	`lunitik: just wondering what abrotman was on about`
`17:47.40`	`elirips`	`greycat: yes, dial out of course, sorry.`
`17:47.41`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, why speak to me, asshole ;)`
`17:47.48`	`abrotman`	`imahcine: i'd at least try it .. if i were into BSDs`
`17:47.51`	`LSorensen`	`Cyclonus: what should -h do?`
`17:47.51`	`greycat`	`elirips: add them to the dip group and then they can use pon.`
`17:48.01`	`Cyclonus`	`you think apt-get is better than pkgsrc? weird`
`17:48.03`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, good riddance.`
`17:48.07`	`elirips`	`LSorensen: it is the computer of my parents, i just installed a linux for them, i thought kppp would be easy to use for them.`
`17:48.08`	`LSorensen`	`Cyclonus: on sarge/sid it means 'don't dereference'`
`17:48.10`	`abrotman`	`imahcine: huh?`
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`17:48.15`	`LSorensen`	`elirips: don't use kppp.`
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`17:48.27`	`abrotman`	`use pppd IMO`
`17:48.31`	`LSorensen`	`elirips: just tell them to use pon or poff, and create task bar icons for calling those`
`17:48.42`	`greycat`	`if you really wanted it to be easy, you'd talk them into signing up for cable modem service.`
`17:48.46`	`valdyn`	`elirips: /usr/share/doc/kppp/README.Debian ( surprise! )`
`17:48.50`	`elirips`	`LSorensen: okay, thans for your help`
`17:49.19`	`LSorensen`	`elirips: kppp asks too many questions that the user should not need to know about. pon just dials the default provider and poff hangs up. simple for the user`
`17:49.21`	`elirips`	`greycat: we got cable modem, but only one one floor. we can't install cables from one floor to the other (the owner doesn't want it). and i can't convince them of installing a wlan :P`
`17:49.34`	`Cyclonus`	`especially this -dev package stuff pisses me off to no extent. hail pkgsrc`
`17:49.41`	`LSorensen`	`elirips: then why isn't the computer on the floor with the cable modem?`
`17:49.47`	`abrotman`	`Cyclonus: right .. it's so hard`
`17:49.51`	`lunitik`	`Cyclonus: apt-get build-dep :/`
`17:49.54`	`dambodog`	`LSorensen, it is an adaptec scsi card`
`17:49.59`	`LSorensen`	`dambodog: which model?`
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`17:50.08`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, you behaved enough of a show to proove you are less than a man i would bother a discussion with.`
`17:50.09`	`LSorensen`	`dambodog: 2940, 29320?`
`17:50.10`	`abrotman`	`elirips: rca sells little devices to go through the electric lines iirc`
`17:50.15`	`imahcine`	`abrotman, hence . er. cheers :]`
`17:50.20`	`digip1mp`	`I pressed the pause key in the middle of a foreground process's execution. how do I resume the stopped process?`
`17:50.21`	`elirips`	`LSorensen: cable modem is on the floor where i am, and i really need it. my parents use the computer once per week to check their e-mail, nothing else.`
`17:50.21`	`lunitik`	`Cyclonus: you should look into the tools provided before making such statements :/`
`17:50.23`	`greycat`	`elirips: tell them to move their computer to the other floor.`
`17:50.24`	`abrotman`	`imahcine: erm .. ok .. if you say so ...`
`17:50.34`	`abrotman`	`imahcine: i honestly have no idea what you're talking about`
`17:50.35`	`Cyclonus`	`abrotman - apt-get should split packages into each single file, really`
`17:50.40`	`elirips`	`greycat: that would be annoying for me`
`17:50.52`	`abrotman`	`Cyclonus: you're complaining because -dev packages are split out`
`17:50.53`	`abrotman`	`?`
`17:51.03`	`Cyclonus`	`lunitik - yeah right, and i educate each user of an OS i don't even know how to install stuff...`
`17:51.26`	`abrotman`	`Cyclonus: why do you need -dev packages anyway?`
`17:51.31`	`lunitik`	`Cyclonus: seperating packages into files would be very tedious to maintain`
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`17:51.34`	`greycat`	`elirips: so they'd rather pay $120 or more a year for dial-up service, than $80 once for a WLAN setup?`
`17:51.41`	`Cyclonus`	`abrotman - if i tell someone you need GTK+ to compile this and he installs GTK+, apt-get should install GTK+ and the program should compile`
`17:51.43`	`greycat`	`(guessing at the price of a WLAN setup; I've never done it)`
`17:51.54`	`dambodog`	`LSorensen, i am not sure. is there a way to check?`
`17:52.00`	`Cyclonus`	`lunitik - then why do you split them into "normal" and -dev?`
`17:52.12`	`abrotman`	`Cyclonus: no .. not really .. but you believe whatever you want .. i'd rather not have my HDD full of .h files i'll never use`
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`17:52.14`	`lunitik`	`Cyclonus: auto-apt would install it during compile time...`
`17:52.19`	`elirips`	`greycat: if you want i give you their phone number, you can call them and talk to them. i gave it up. they're happy with what they have.. ;)`
`17:52.19`	`abrotman`	`Cyclonus: what are you trying to compile ?`
`17:52.31`	`Qiang-work`	`anybody know why mysql (4.1.10) in debian doesn't start with --log-error by default ?`
`17:52.32`	`Cyclonus`	`i'm not trying to compile anything`
`17:52.41`	`abrotman`	`then why do you need a -dev package?`
`17:52.45`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: he's just trolling...`
`17:52.48`	`nydust`	`my debian do find my epson usb printer but when i try to print notthing hapens?`
`17:52.54`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: apparently`
`17:52.59`	`Cyclonus`	`I AM NOT FUCKING TROLLING YOU STUPID BASTARDS`
`17:52.59`	`LSorensen`	`dambodog: lspci might tell`
`17:53.04`	`Cyclonus`	`JUST FUCK OFF AND DIE!`
`17:53.05`	`carbon60`	`Man, I'm trying to get a client's firewall to connect via PPPoE, and it's giving me headaches.`
`17:53.11`	`greycat`	`Cyclonus: tell us what problem you are trying to solve`
`17:53.11`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`17:53.13`	`lunitik`	`haha`
`17:53.13`	`elirips`	`but thanks for your help people!`
`17:53.13`	`stew`	`!customer`
`17:53.14`	`badgers`	`another happy customer leaves the building`
`17:53.15`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: you killed him`
`17:53.20`	`lunitik`	`stealth: lol`
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`17:53.27`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: my bad sadface`
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`17:53.45`	`digip1mp`	`I pressed the pause key in the middle of a foreground process's execution. how do I resume the stopped process?`
`17:53.46`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: pppoeconf ?`
`17:53.53`	`greycat`	`digip1mp: press it again`
`17:53.56`	`carbon60`	`No, I did it by hand.`
`17:53.58`	`greycat`	`or try Ctrl-Q`
`17:54.22`	`carbon60`	`pppd is saying "Remote message: Authentication Failed.", but I'm quite sure I've got the correct info.`
`17:54.39`	`carbon60`	`I'm wondering if something is wrong with my pap-secrets.`
`17:54.49`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: pppd will ask the remote host to authenticate itself unless you tell it not to do that`
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`17:55.01`	`dambodog`	`LSorensen, it is adaptec`
`17:55.03`	`carbon60`	`Oh?`
`17:55.15`	`dambodog`	`LSorensen, ASC-29320ALP U320`
`17:55.21`	`dambodog`	`LSorensen, :)`
`17:55.22`	`carbon60`	`valdyn: Maybe I've been lucky, I've had it working elsewhere.`
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`17:55.28`	`aardvark`	`carbon60: add noauth. next time, read the documentation.`
`17:55.37`	`aardvark`	`carbon60: in /etc/ppp/options`
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`17:55.59`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: the option youre looking for then would be "noauth"`
`17:56.02`	`carbon60`	`aardvark: I have noauth in my /etc/ppp/peers/provider, that not good enough?`
`17:56.13`	`aardvark`	`carbon60: no`
`17:57.13`	`carbon60`	`How to the options in ppp/options and those in a peers file interact?`
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`17:58.18`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: is your pppd even using /etc/ppp/peers/provider ? noauth in that file should be enough`
`17:58.18`	`LSorensen`	`dambodog: probably aic7xxx driver`
`17:58.44`	`carbon60`	`Well, I put noauth in options and it didn't help.`
`17:58.50`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: but since you configured it manually i cant have a clue on what is used and what not`
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`17:59.14`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: just run pppoeconf`
`17:59.19`	`LSorensen`	`dambodog: or aic79xx`
`17:59.30`	`LSorensen`	`dambodog: actually 79xx is more likely`
`17:59.30`	`carbon60`	`valdyn: I simply created a file /etc/ppp/peers/provider, and then added a line in /etc/network/interfaces for the ethernet interface.`
`17:59.40`	`carbon60`	`I always do it that way.`
`17:59.54`	`LSorensen`	`carbon60: pppconfig is nice for creating providers :)`
`18:00.05`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: iface ppp0 inet ppp \ provider <whatever>`
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`18:00.22`	`carbon60`	`valdyn: No, iface eth1.2 inet ppp \ provider <whatever>`
`18:00.49`	`carbon60`	`LSorensen: Thanks.`
`18:00.49`	`LSorensen`	`carbon60: whatever does ppp like that in /etc/network/interfaces do?`
`18:00.58`	`LSorensen`	`carbon60: and on eth1.2 ? huh?`
`18:01.04`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: hmm, i guess thats for software pppoe, no idea`
`18:01.16`	`carbon60`	`"software pppoe"?`
`18:01.32`	`carbon60`	`LSorensen: eth1.2 is a VLAN interface.`
`18:01.43`	`LSorensen`	`carbon60: oh ok.`
`18:01.44`	`vt`	`hello, I've just installed a woody, and ssh isn't working because of a makedev bug. but the makedev version of woody is outdated and apparently bugged`
`18:01.52`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: sorry, i should say "userspace", theres a kernel solution too`
`18:01.57`	`vt`	`need i update to testing to avoid bugs ?`
`18:01.59`	`LSorensen`	`vt: how is makedev and ssh related at all?`
`18:02.05`	`carbon60`	`valdyn: Oh. What is the recommended setup?`
`18:02.16`	`vt`	`LSorensen: http://lists.debian.org/debian-ssh/2004/04/msg00088.html`
`18:02.19`	`LSorensen`	`vt: and how is there a bug in MAKEDEV on woody? always worked fine for me`
`18:02.24`	`stew`	`vt: if you want to avoid bugs you should stick with woody`
`18:02.26`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: debian seems to default to the kernel`
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`18:02.34`	`LSorensen`	`stew: well serious bugs at least`
`18:02.36`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: pppoeconf does.`
`18:02.47`	`LSorensen`	`valdyn: yeah finally. it didn't use to`
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`18:02.56`	`tchmnkyz`	`hey all`
`18:03.01`	`carbon60`	`valdyn: you can still ifup/down the interface?`
`18:03.06`	`vt`	`"It's makedev. Upgrade that package to version 2.3.1-69." said someone from the debian team, and he closed the bug. so I need to upgrade to a makedev version which is not yet in woody.`
`18:03.09`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: sure`
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`18:03.18`	`carbon60`	`Ok, let me look at that then.`
`18:03.21`	`tchmnkyz`	`is it possible to do a fake boot of a kernel to see if it will load or not?`
`18:03.22`	`carbon60`	`Thanks for your insight.`
`18:03.36`	`carbon60`	`valdyn: pppoeconf doesn't list my VLAN interface.`
`18:03.40`	`stew`	`!info makedev woody`
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`18:03.48`	`SquareRt`	`tchmnkyz: in what sense?`
`18:03.51`	`vladi_`	`hi, i just got a pppoe dsl and am wondering how to set it up in debian? there is a kernel module in the 2.6.11 kernel and also a package from debian sarge called pppoe can somone please help?`
`18:03.57`	`SquareRt`	`tchmnkyz: verify it's a valid ELF image?`
`18:04.01`	`tchmnkyz`	`i would just like to make sure it will boot as it is a remote server`
`18:04.05`	`SquareRt`	`tchmnkyz: verify it supports your hardware?`
`18:04.12`	`lunitik`	`tchmnkyz: uml and xen might be options...`
`18:04.18`	`tchmnkyz`	`k`
`18:04.25`	`greycat`	`isn't there some option to tell grub/lilo to do a "one time boot" of kernel X, and then to fall back to kernel Y?`
`18:04.26`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: thats bad, since it wont do shit unless it finds an access concentrator iirc`
`18:04.42`	`lunitik`	`tchmnkyz: although I'm not sure how much hardware checking they would do...`
`18:04.43`	`tchmnkyz`	`i cant remember how to tell grub to do it`
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`18:05.22`	`carbon60`	`valdyn: I know which interface is connected to the DSL modem, and the AC.`
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`18:06.35`	`tchmnkyz`	`the only reason i really ask this is i just did a 2.6.11.6 compile with grsecurity on my box and rebooted and got no responce had to wait on the DC`
`18:06.39`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: you will have to stick do configuring it manually anyway if pppoeconf does not find the interface`
`18:06.51`	`tchmnkyz`	`all the hardware is right`
`18:06.53`	`carbon60`	`Right.`
`18:06.58`	`tchmnkyz`	`and this is not my first kernel`
`18:07.00`	`badgers`	`makedev: (Creates device files in /dev.), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.1-58 (woody), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 136 kB`
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`18:08.49`	`vt`	`badgers: and I need to upgrade it, to let ssh work, that's right ?`
`18:08.49`	`badgers`	`vt: no idea`
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`18:09.15`	`stew`	`vt: that bug that you were pointing to that said to upgrade to 2.3.1-69 was a bug against ssh in unstable, not ssh in woody`
`18:09.16`	`goron`	`Is there a Debian specific howto for configuring Samba?`
`18:09.39`	`vt`	`actually, I have the symptoms with the ssh in woody.`
`18:09.55`	`resiak`	`vt: You should be informed that badgers is a bot.`
`18:09.57`	`stew`	`vt: what exactly are the symptoms?`
`18:10.24`	`carbon60`	`valdyn: All pppoeconf does is create a peer file, right?`
`18:10.24`	`valdyn`	`goron: almost nothing debian specific about it, edit /etc/samba/smb.conf ( dpkg-reconfigure samba wont do alot )`
`18:10.45`	`Stereo`	`hi folks`
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`18:11.01`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: last i used it, it did not yet create the /etc/network/interfaces, it might do that now too.`
`18:11.16`	`vt`	`stew: ioctl(2, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE, 0xbffff0e8) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device)`
`18:11.17`	`stew`	`if its just that you are seeing 'host key verification failed' then that is a common symptom that is not indicitive that you have this bug`
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`18:11.23`	`goron`	`valdyn: Well, for example restarting samba is debian specific.`
`18:11.30`	`vt`	`Host key verification failed.`
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`18:11.31`	`edibletext`	`carbon60, it searches for ppp concetrator access via ethN`
`18:11.38`	`carbon60`	`Oh, I got it going.`
`18:11.41`	`goron`	`valdyn: I do /etc/init.d/samba restart and I get an error message.`
`18:12.00`	`carbon60`	`Manually created the vlan device with vconfig, ip link set x up it, then pppoeconf devicename.`
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`18:12.04`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: basially, yes anyway, forget about that "/etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot.dsl" that is deprecated anyway`
`18:12.20`	`Stereo`	`I compiled a new kernel, and my hdb seems to have disappeared when I boot it. The new kernel is a 2.6.11-3 with a patch for a raid controller. The kernel I'm running now is debian's 2.6.8. I manually tried booting with root=/dev/hda1 -> /root=/dev/hdh1 with no success.`
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`18:12.31`	`inva\|id`	`How would I call uptime, and have it filter off the first argument (current time)`
`18:12.42`	`Stereo`	`inva\|id: cut`
`18:12.45`	`inva\|id`	`ty`
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`18:13.00`	`tazr`	`Hello`
`18:13.14`	`greycat`	`!debian kernel image`
`18:13.14`	`badgers`	`< hexxeh\|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who didn't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason.`
`18:13.18`	`jelly`	`badgers, mushroom`
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`18:13.19`	`badgers`	`jelly: wish i knew`
`18:13.21`	`jelly`	`doh!`
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`18:13.35`	`stew`	`badgers: musroom is SNAKE`
`18:13.35`	`badgers`	`okay, stew`
`18:13.40`	`Stereo`	`is there a way to get a list of devices with a specific kernel without having my hd as a root?`
`18:13.42`	`stew`	`badgers, mushroom`
`18:13.43`	`badgers`	`stew: no idea`
`18:14.06`	`stew`	`vt: what does "dpkg -l libc6" report as libc6's version number?`
`18:14.09`	`jelly`	`badgers, mushroom is A snake, a snake!`
`18:14.09`	`Stereo`	`hexxeh\|work: what badgers asid. Look at me, for example`
`18:14.09`	`badgers`	`jelly: okay`
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`18:14.23`	`greycat`	`Stereo: "musroom"?`
`18:14.27`	`greycat`	`oops.`
`18:14.30`	`Stereo`	`no`
`18:14.31`	`greycat`	`stew: "musroom"?`
`18:14.32`	`Stereo`	`kernel`
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`18:14.50`	`stew`	`doh`
`18:14.52`	`jelly`	`greycat: can anyone tell the bot to forget anything?`
`18:15.01`	`vt`	`ii libc6 2.2.5-11.8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data`
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`18:15.04`	`stew`	`badgers: forget musroom`
`18:15.04`	`badgers`	`i forgot musroom, stew`
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`18:15.39`	`takatumi`	`!greetings`
`18:15.40`	`badgers`	`hello, takatumi`
`18:15.56`	`takatumi`	`!badgersnack`
`18:15.56`	`badgers`	`Mmmm... baked newbie!`
`18:16.24`	`nydust`	`where are the sourc lise?`
`18:16.25`	`takatumi`	`that 1's new!?!! lol omg!!`
`18:16.26`	`nydust`	`list`
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`18:16.44`	`aardvark`	`http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/yum.jpg < badgersnack`
`18:16.47`	`greycat`	`takatumi: I added it today`
`18:16.59`	`takatumi`	`!greycat++`
`18:17.03`	`lunitik`	`greycat: what kinda bot is it?`
`18:17.04`	`valdyn`	`nydust: man sources.list`
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`18:17.31`	`smacnay`	`does this look like a sensible entry to /etc/inetd.conf ?`
`18:17.32`	`smacnay`	`sane-port stream tcp nowait saned.saned /usr/local/sbin/saned saned`
`18:17.34`	`takatumi`	`lunitik: the guy you pissed off runs it.`
`18:17.37`	`S4nD3r_`	`Hello, I have a little problem... A friend had Windows and Linux installed in his computer, but grub doesn shows the menu. Is impossible to access operating system. How do I make a boot disk to help him??`
`18:17.56`	`lunitik`	`takatumi: I pissed someone off? where was I?`
`18:17.58`	`aardvark`	`!nickometer S4nD3r_`
`18:17.58`	`badgers`	`'S4nD3r_' is 99.710% lame, aardvark`
`18:18.17`	`carbon60`	`Damn, that didn't help.`
`18:18.20`	`jelly`	`smacnay: looks fine, is there a sane-port in services?`
`18:18.25`	`greycat`	`lunitik: badgers, dpkg, apt, and ravenbird are all blootbots`
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`18:18.48`	`carbon60`	`Now, pppd is saying "Couldn't increase MTU to 1500", and still saying "Remote message: Authentication Failed."`
`18:18.55`	`S4nD3r_`	`aardvark, badblody Im lammer, which is the problem ?`
`18:18.59`	`stew`	`vt, i dunno, but you cannot just upgrade makedev, without upgrading absolutely everything to sarge. this really should be working under woody`
`18:19.02`	`Stereo`	`badgers is a bot?`
`18:19.02`	`badgers`	`no idea, Stereo`
`18:19.05`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: the first is not an error, dont worry about it`
`18:19.12`	`carbon60`	`Ok, good.`
`18:19.16`	`S4nD3r_`	`If both of you are hackers, than help me. . .`
`18:19.19`	`Stereo`	`badgers: 4+2`
`18:19.20`	`badgers`	`6`
`18:19.24`	`Stereo`	`heh`
`18:19.27`	`carbon60`	`pppoeconf indeed used "plugin rp-pppoe"`
`18:19.29`	`smacnay`	`jelly: I am trying to get one up and running but don't see saned listed in ps -A`
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`18:19.43`	`carbon60`	`The other difference is that it double-quoted everything in pap-secrets`
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`18:20.04`	`greycat`	`!d-i S4nD3r_`
`18:20.09`	`greycat`	`DAMMIT!`
`18:20.14`	`greycat`	`@d-i S4nD3r_`
`18:20.19`	`jelly`	`smacnay: you shouldn't, unless something's connnected to the port.`
`18:20.26`	`greycat`	`~d-i S4nD3r_`
`18:20.31`	`vt`	`stew: thanks anyway, i'll search more on the mls`
`18:20.32`	`smacnay`	`jelly: I tried using: update-inetd --verbose --add 'sane-port stream tcp nowait saned:saned /usr/sbin/tcpd saned'`
`18:20.39`	`stew`	`vt: are both client and server running woody?`
`18:20.42`	`greycat`	`aardvark: did your "update" of badgers's database exclude all the CMD: factoids or something?`
`18:20.43`	`jelly`	`smacnay: did you reload inetd?`
`18:20.46`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: looks like your login data is wrong then`
`18:20.49`	`carbon60`	`How can I increase pppd's verbosity?`
`18:20.50`	`smacnay`	`jelly: that is the problem, I can't find a scanner yet.`
`18:20.56`	`stew`	`vt: /msg badgers debug sshd`
`18:20.58`	`FarrisG`	`A buddy of mine (debian nerd as well) is thinking of buying new hardware, mobo/proc... What's good and current that's debian-friendly?`
`18:21.01`	`smacnay`	`jelly: yes - /etc/init.d/inetd restart`
`18:21.05`	`abrotman`	`S4nD3r_: for your good and everyone else's .. Go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer and get the 105MB RC3 netinst`
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`18:21.14`	`abrotman`	`greycat: i'm the new bot! :)`
`18:21.21`	`valdyn`	`carbon60: uncomment the "debug" in /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider`
`18:21.25`	`stew`	`abrotman: botsnack`
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`18:21.31`	`Klapx`	`hi, how do i install a package i have on my home partition?`
`18:21.34`	`takatumi`	`lunitik: 18:38:44< aardvark> lunitik: FOAD`
`18:21.35`	`abrotman`	`stew: BUURURURP!`
`18:21.37`	`jelly`	`smacnay: well test it with telnet or nc: does telnet localhost sane-port work?`
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`18:22.09`	`takatumi`	`!foad`
`18:22.10`	`badgers`	`well, foad is "fuck off and die". Considered by many to be impolite.`
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`18:22.30`	`smacnay`	`jelly: yes - I get a connection refused message as my telnet is turned off.`
`18:22.32`	`lunitik`	`tak__: ohh.. my memory sucks :/ bah, adding opinion to an answer wasn't necessary :/`
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`18:22.43`	`vt`	`stew: with some strace, and options changing, it seems that's a tty interaction problem. it's not directly ssh-related.`
`18:22.46`	`smacnay`	`badgers: the "die" part really offends me.`
`18:22.46`	`badgers`	`smacnay: are you smoking crack?`
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`18:22.55`	`smacnay`	`badgers: no`
`18:22.56`	`badgers`	`No Offense`
`18:23.01`	`lunitik`	`takatumi: ^^`
`18:23.02`	`redduck666`	`i'm trying to compile kernel. i'm at final stage, editing grub. i performed everything in /kernel/linux-2.6.11.6, so when i have to configure in grub configure file "kernel" i have to say it is located in "/kernel/linux-2.6.11.6/vmlinux"?`
`18:23.07`	`greycat`	`!debian kernel image`
`18:23.08`	`badgers`	`< hexxeh\|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who didn't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason.`
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`18:23.13`	`takatumi`	`lunitik: =_=`
`18:23.20`	`jelly`	`smacnay: if "telnet localhost sane-port" does not work, then you have a problem with inetd. is inetd running?`
`18:23.23`	`carbon60`	`Thanks valdyn.`
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`18:23.26`	`carbon60`	`Hrm.`
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`18:23.52`	`valdyn`	`redduck666: compile your kernel with make-kpkg, that will fix your bootloader automatically`
`18:23.54`	`smacnay`	`jelly: yes. I can access the port but get a connection closed message after the escape character info is given.`
`18:23.59`	`lunitik`	`takatumi: never seen that used... what are you trying to express?`
`18:23.59`	`takatumi`	`me is all for self-rolled kernels.`
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`18:24.18`	`abrotman`	`takatumi: /me!`
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`18:24.38`	`suporte`	`!debian`
`18:24.38`	`badgers`	`debian is probably http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents`
`18:24.43`	`suporte`	`!help`
`18:24.52`	`greycat`	`jelly: it could also be a firewall`
`18:24.52`	`jelly`	`smacnay: that's not "connection refused", mind you. That's more like "the daemon is dying for another reason" or "I haven't set up hosts.allow correctly".`
`18:24.58`	`takatumi`	`lunitik: what were you trying to express here? "18:38:30< lunitik> aardvark: but thanks for the help... no really... prick"`
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`18:25.18`	`jelly`	`greycat: a firewall on lo device?`
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`18:25.20`	`lunitik`	`takatumi: bah... no... with =_=`
`18:25.21`	`websdale`	`Klapx: #/`
`18:25.27`	`greycat`	`jelly: yes. believe it or not.`
`18:25.32`	`smacnay`	`jelly: I just did 'telnet localhost 22' and that did work.`
`18:25.37`	`takatumi`	`lunitik: just looking.`
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`18:25.48`	`suporte`	`!debian`
`18:25.49`	`badgers`	`i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents`
`18:25.57`	`carbon60`	`Ah hah!!!!`
`18:25.57`	`smacnay`	`jelly: so there is a problem with the port stuff. Firewall wouldn't affect that if it is localhost, would it?`
`18:25.58`	`websdale`	`Klapx:do you mean a .deb file?`
`18:26.01`	`abrotman`	`you know the flooding thing that debhelper did before .. how come he never does that like when kawfee fills the channel with crap?`
`18:26.09`	`jelly`	`smacnay: yes, sshd is standalone and maybe not configured with tcp_wrappers.`
`18:26.19`	`greycat`	`abrotman: maybe he's sick like dpkg`
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`18:26.26`	`darxeth`	`what is the IBM websphere voice server?`
`18:26.26`	`S4nD3r_`	`Hey,`
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`18:26.33`	`S4nD3r_`	`I have linux installed in my computer`
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`18:26.44`	`caphuso`	`Bug#303609: ITP: libdata-dumper-perl`
`18:26.47`	`takatumi`	`badgers should be promoted.`
`18:26.48`	`abrotman`	`greycat: well .. he did it he said to stop flooding .. i guess kawfee has the rate limit down well`
`18:26.48`	`badgers`	`takatumi: no idea`
`18:26.49`	`carbon60`	`valdyn: Guess what: you need to double backslashes in passwords in pap-secrets.`
`18:26.52`	`S4nD3r_`	`Id like to know if is possible I create a boot disk, and use it to boot his computer`
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`18:27.04`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`is it possible for me to tell apt-get to use a different host to pull a package down? I'm trying to install a package but the ftp.us.deb mirror it's hitting is dead`
`18:27.05`	`jelly`	`smacnay: i'd say it's not a firewall if you got ^] then connection closed, i'd say you need to add saned to hosts.allow`
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`18:27.21`	`takatumi`	`badgers: you need to do better than that.`
`18:27.22`	`badgers`	`parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, takatumi`
`18:27.34`	`abrotman`	`OvrLrd-Q: there are five servers that resolve to tat name .. try again`
`18:27.40`	`stew`	`abrotman: debhelper did that becuase someone set the channel mode +m`
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`18:27.41`	`caphuso`	`Data::Dumper is part of the perl core modules, why would anyone want to package it again?`
`18:27.41`	`greycat`	`S4nD3r_: use the d-i rescue disk. yes.`
`18:27.52`	`jelly`	`badgers, tell badgers about badgers`
`18:27.53`	`greycat`	`(I guess it's not really a "rescue" disk, but you can use it nonetheless)`
`18:27.56`	`abrotman`	`stew: noone seemed to know who though ...`
`18:28.12`	`S4nD3r_`	`d-i ??`
`18:28.16`	`lunitik`	`gdi... anyone know what chanserv command lists ops?`
`18:28.19`	`greycat`	`caphuso: hmm... preparing to split it out?`
`18:28.19`	`abrotman`	`S4nD3r_: for your good and everyone else's .. Go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer and get the 105MB RC3 netinst`
`18:28.28`	`abrotman`	`feed the bot!`
`18:28.30`	`lunitik`	`S4nD3r_: Debian Installer the new installer for Sarge`
`18:28.35`	`nydust`	`when i am running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b i get make *** path error 2`
`18:28.37`	`caphuso`	`greycat: i seriously doubt that`
`18:28.40`	`greycat`	`14:28 abrotman> S4nD3r_: for your good and everyone else's .. Go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer ...`
`18:28.41`	`Klapx`	`websdale: yes a deb file`
`18:28.43`	`takatumi`	`!d-i S4nD3r_`
`18:28.44`	`nydust`	`how do i correct this?`
`18:28.46`	`abrotman`	`greycat: i know`
`18:28.53`	`abrotman`	`i already told him twice now :)`
`18:28.57`	`takatumi`	`greycat: apologies.`
`18:28.57`	`greycat`	`abrotman: I know you know.`
`18:29.04`	`abrotman`	`i know you know i know`
`18:29.04`	`smacnay`	`jelly: I am reading the man page right now... hosts_access`
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`18:29.52`	`jelly`	`smacnay: something like "saned: 127.0.0.1" could maybe work.`
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`18:30.06`	`websdale`	`Klapx:dpkg -i <filename> -as root (do man dpkg first )`
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`18:31.22`	`darxeth`	`whats a good cd burner program i can get from apt-get ?`
`18:31.30`	`abrotman`	`for which desktop?`
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`18:31.47`	`lunitik`	`darkskiez: gnomebaker or k3b`
`18:31.52`	`smacnay`	`jelly: thanks for that.`
`18:31.57`	`streuner`	`darxeth: cdrdao, cdrecord`
`18:31.59`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: i don't think gnomebaker is in sarge yet`
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`18:32.06`	`S4nD3r_`	`takatumi, greycat, lunitik, abrotman access it http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerModify`
`18:32.14`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: hmm... I didn't see him specify sarge`
`18:32.23`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: so why assume sid ?`
`18:32.41`	`lunitik`	`abrotman: I didn't... I stated the best for each desktop imo`
`18:32.59`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: but gnomebaker isn't an option for sarge or woody ..`
`18:33.06`	`takatumi`	`S4nD3r_: where are you stuck?`
`18:33.16`	`lunitik`	`sure it is... its just a more inconvenient option...`
`18:33.21`	`darxeth`	`streuner: both work like nero in windows? like, i can burn mp3, videos, data...`
`18:33.40`	`abrotman`	`darxeth: which version of debian .. and which desktop ?`
`18:33.53`	`dondelelcaro`	`!status`
`18:33.53`	`badgers`	`Since Thu Apr 7 15:05:23 2005, there have been 4 modifications, 50 questions, 19 dunnos, 0 morons and 28 commands. I have been awake for 3h 28m 30s this session, and currently reference 24864 factoids. I'm using about 15656 kB of memory. With 0 active forks.`
`18:33.55`	`darxeth`	`abrotman: the latest`
`18:34.07`	`abrotman`	`darxeth: not a valid answer .. woody/sarge/sid .. and which desktop`
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`18:34.15`	`darxeth`	`abrotman: i think, cause yesterday i updated the whol system`
`18:34.26`	`jelly`	`what's the easiest way to make a sarge chroot?`
`18:34.28`	`darxeth`	`abrotman: oh, well i guess its sarge`
`18:34.36`	`abrotman`	`darxeth: and which desktop ?`
`18:34.45`	`darxeth`	`abrotman: kde ?`
`18:34.49`	`abrotman`	`don't ask me .. you tell me`
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`18:34.58`	`S4nD3r_`	`hummm`
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`18:35.00`	`abrotman`	`is it kde or not?`
`18:35.08`	`darxeth`	`abrotman: its kde, just didnt know what you mean`
`18:35.17`	`lunitik`	`darkskiez: apt-get install k3b`
`18:35.18`	`takatumi`	`S4nD3r_: first why are you trying to make a custom installer?`
`18:35.24`	`S4nD3r_`	`I think i CD of Debian installation, theres a way to recover MBR (grub)....`
`18:35.31`	`abrotman`	`darxeth: then use k3b .. or you can try arson .. but most people use k3b`
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`18:35.42`	`abrotman`	`lunitik: pulling teeth!!`
`18:35.42`	`darxeth`	`abrotman: thank you man`
`18:35.46`	`dvs`	`!hi`
`18:35.47`	`badgers`	`hello, dvs`
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`18:35.49`	`Thrawn`	`hey`
`18:35.50`	`ludi`	`I've installed Debian Sarge with the "Desktop Environment" selected, as well as "File Server". Why is it that I can't print? I would think that a "Desktop Environment" would include printing support by default.`
`18:35.58`	`S4nD3r_`	`I just would like to create a boot disk (floppy), to boot another computer in linux. Because this another computer, lost the MBR.`
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`18:36.00`	`Thrawn`	`im new to apache with modssl / openssl... If i create a private server key with a pass phrase, and a CSR with no pass phrase; when I get my certificate back, am I going to have to enter a password everytime apache starts?`
`18:36.03`	`abrotman`	`aardvark: dpkg came back .. at least for the moment`
`18:36.06`	`darxeth`	`abrotman: another question if you know, what is the IBM websphere voice server?`
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`18:36.15`	`abrotman`	`S4nD3r_: ask #grub for the grub boot floppy ?`
`18:36.18`	`valdyn`	`ludi: why cant you print?`
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`18:36.24`	`abrotman`	`darxeth: nfc`
`18:36.33`	`lunitik`	`valdyn: I believe that is his question...`
`18:36.42`	`netbrain`	`whats wrong? http://pastebin.com/268553 <-- anyone familiar with this message?`
`18:36.43`	`ludi`	`valdyn: It appears that I have no cups packages installed...`
`18:36.53`	`lunitik`	`ludi: apt-get install cupsys`
`18:36.55`	`valdyn`	`!setup cups`
`18:36.59`	`takatumi`	`S4nD3r_: get a sarge iso, burn it to a CD, boot, alt-F2, chroot, run 'grub-install /dev/hd?', done.`
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`18:37.21`	`ludi`	`valdyn: why is cups not a part of the "Desktop Environment" ?`
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`18:37.33`	`valdyn`	`ludi: you need cupsys, likely cupsys-bsd, foomatic-gui is nice imo, then also foomatic-ppd`
`18:37.35`	`SiNqTa-BeBzZz`	`ej ima li ot bg?`
`18:37.45`	`valdyn`	`ludi: no idea, file a bug )`
`18:37.52`	`SiNqTa-BeBzZz`	`someone from bulgaria ?`
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`18:38.15`	`ludi`	`I click "Applications --> Desktop Preferences-->System Tool --> Printing" and I get the following error: "The CUPS server could not be contacted."`
`18:38.20`	`abrotman`	`SiNqTa-BeBzZz: do you speak another language?`
`18:38.26`	`valdyn`	`ludi: ah`
`18:38.32`	`darxeth`	`abrotman: its a program, i saw it in a bittorrent server, novatina. just was cerious`
`18:38.40`	`SiNqTa-BeBzZz`	`abrotman, yes i speek ^^`
`18:38.52`	`valdyn`	`ludi: thats a kde thing i guess`
`18:38.57`	`ludi`	`valdyn: gnome`
`18:38.57`	`abrotman`	`besides bulgarian .. like russian or italian`
`18:39.00`	`Makca`	`anyone from bulgaria?`
`18:39.12`	`abrotman`	`wtf is going on here?`
`18:39.13`	`Makca`	`russian :}`
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`18:39.25`	`abrotman`	`!ru`
`18:39.25`	`dpkg`	`Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :)`
`18:39.25`	`badgers`	`Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :)`
`18:39.30`	`lunitik`	`~tell abrotman about thursday`
`18:39.31`	`abrotman`	`oh great`
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`18:39.39`	`abrotman`	`!sing thursday`
`18:39.45`	`ludi`	`valdyn: what is foomatic-gui and foomatic-ppd ?`
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`18:40.09`	`valdyn`	`ludi: a better configuration tool and printer drivers`
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`18:40.26`	`grendal_prime`	`hey how difficult is it to take a tarbal and make it into an deb??`
`18:40.33`	`valdyn`	`ludi: recommended way to configure cups still us http://localhost:631/ though`
`18:40.38`	`abrotman`	`grendal_prime: they have documents for that :)`
`18:40.40`	`lcore`	`I run honeyd on server:eth0(192.168.0.254) and want to be able to connect to the honeypots (192.168.0.2-5) from the honeyd server. How to direct the network traffic to the honeyd?`
`18:40.41`	`grendal_prime`	`i mean...im compiling a game...but well..im just wondering..`
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`18:40.58`	`ludi`	`valdyn: are there any other packages I need in order to install a samba printer that is located on another windows computer on the network?`
`18:41.17`	`lunitik`	`ludi: smbclient is all you should need...`
`18:41.17`	`abrotman`	`grendal_prime: tons of docs .. http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/`
`18:41.21`	`takatumi`	`!tell S4nD3r_ -about msg`
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`18:41.32`	`lunitik`	`ludi: 'samba' is for hosting things locally...`
`18:41.53`	`dambodog`	`LSorensen, thanks. How can i load this module to my kernel or check if it is already loaded without having to recompile my kernel?`
`18:41.54`	`ludi`	`lunitik: okay I havesmbclient`
`18:42.09`	`ludi`	`so that' it, no other packages?`
`18:42.13`	`S4nD3r_`	`I have CD1 of Sarge takatumi`
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`18:42.28`	`S4nD3r_`	`grub-install didnt work as you said`
`18:42.46`	`LSorensen`	`dambodog: just add aic79xx to /etc/modules, and it will load each time you boot.`
`18:42.52`	`takatumi`	`S4nD3r_: why not?`
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`18:43.01`	`LSorensen`	`dambodog: certainly sarge should support it, although I highly doubt woody supports that card`
`18:43.18`	`ludi`	`How do I know if I need cupsys-bsd ?`
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`18:43.44`	`nix000`	`is there a command to compute the md5 checksum of a key as opposed to a file ? i looked at man md5sum and it checks for a file.`
`18:43.45`	`lunitik`	`ludi: do you know what lpd is?`
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`18:43.53`	`greycat`	`nix000: what's a "key"?`
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`18:44.02`	`ludi`	`lunitik: not really, what is lpd ?`
`18:44.09`	`smacnay`	`jelly: no luck`
`18:44.12`	`lunitik`	`ludi: then you likely don't need it`
`18:44.21`	`ludi`	`k`
`18:44.22`	`lunitik`	`ludi: old mechanism for printing`
`18:44.23`	`valdyn`	`ludi: backwards compatibility for applications that cannot talk to cups`
`18:44.28`	`ludi`	`don't want that`
`18:44.29`	`jelly`	`smacnay: ok, so it really does not work. ;-)`
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`18:44.48`	`ludi`	`still not sure what is this foomatic stuff....is it a replacement for the gimp printer drivers?`
`18:44.48`	`nix000`	`greycat, actually i have a password and i want to generate the crypt using md5`
`18:44.51`	`smacnay`	`still can't access the port with telnet`
`18:44.51`	`marco`	`helllo`
`18:44.54`	`lunitik`	`valdyn: if the application doesn't support cups... its probably not worth using ;)`
`18:45.04`	`takatumi`	`S4nD3r_: what was the exact grub-install command you ran?`
`18:45.07`	`smacnay`	`jelly: if I change to user 'saned' I can find the scanner.`
`18:45.13`	`smacnay`	`jelly: locally`
`18:45.19`	`S4nD3r_`	`grub-install /dev/hda`
`18:45.36`	`ludi`	`valdyn: still not sure what is this foomatic stuff....is it a replacement for the gimp printer drivers?`
`18:45.45`	`streuner`	`ludi: that are some addionational ppd's`
`18:45.53`	`takatumi`	`S4nD3r_: so you don't get the grub menu on boot?`
`18:45.54`	`valdyn`	`ludi: not replacement, its more drivers`
`18:45.59`	`marco`	`I have a problem try started bastin-firewall-interface`
`18:46.03`	`S4nD3r_`	`takatumi, no`
`18:46.06`	`lunitik`	`smacnay: add yourself to the 'saned' group`
`18:46.11`	`marco`	`bastion`
`18:46.12`	`valdyn`	`ludi: and foomatic-gui is just a printer configuration tool, i like it, you dont need it`
`18:46.35`	`takatumi`	`S4nD3r_: then yes, try #grub`
`18:46.42`	`streuner`	`ludi: if you have already CUPS installed, you are fine.`
`18:46.50`	`jelly`	`smacnay: I don't really know much about saned, just thought it might be something generic.`
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`18:47.00`	`marco`	`pegasus:~# /etc/init.d/bastion-firewall-interface start`
`18:47.01`	`marco`	`Starting bastion-firewall-interface: bastion-firewall-interface init`
`18:47.01`	`marco`	`-su: line 1: /usr/lib/bastion-firewall/apache/bin/bastion-httpd: Permission denied`
`18:47.01`	`marco`	`Starting bastion-firewall-interface: failed`
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`18:47.24`	`ludi`	`streuner: I have cupsys installed, do I need anything else? what about the gimp drivers and the foomatic-ppd drivers?`
`18:47.34`	`S4nD3r_`	`takatumi, how do I create a boot diskette ??`
`18:47.44`	`streuner`	`ludi: what printer do you have, anyway? :-)`
`18:47.46`	`S4nD3r_`	`usind dd i think`
`18:48.06`	`ludi`	`streuner: HP LaserJet 6P`
`18:48.12`	`lunitik`	`smacnay: 'adduser <user> saned' as root`
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`18:48.15`	`streuner`	`ludi: parallel?`
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`18:48.33`	`streuner`	`or USB?`
`18:48.33`	`slugbug`	`S4nd3r: do you have a disk image?`
`18:48.42`	`jelly`	`smacnay: if you don't have errors in (i think) /var/log/daemon.log that would point to inetd/wrappers misconfiguration, then it's probably saned's fault and I can't help you`
`18:48.45`	`valdyn`	`streuner: doesnt matter, its shared by a windows box`
`18:48.51`	`ludi`	`streuner: No. It's connected to a Windows XP box and being shared over the network.`
`18:48.53`	`slugbug`	`"dd if=imagefile of=/dev/fd0 bs=1440k"`
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`18:49.29`	`smacnay`	`lunitik: thanks`
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`18:49.36`	`smacnay`	`jelly: thanks for the patience`
`18:49.39`	`Borg^Queen`	`Hey people.`
`18:49.40`	`smacnay`	`jelly: and help`
`18:49.47`	`jelly`	`smacnay: np`
`18:49.48`	`marco`	`anymore to worked with bastion-firewall`
`18:49.50`	`ludi`	`valdyn: don't see any package named foomatic-ppd`
`18:49.57`	`valdyn`	`ludi: just go to http://localhost:631/ and see if you find everything, come back if you dont..`
`18:50.03`	`streuner`	`ludi: /msg badgers cups setup`
`18:50.05`	`karnov`	`hy all, i know that's a chan for this but i tried lot of and no answer ... i have a problem with samba integration on 2000 domain , seem to break integration on a non existent file ads_connect.c , someone knows something about this ?? :)`
`18:50.06`	`carbon60`	`valdyn: Thanks for your help, BTW.`
`18:50.07`	`valdyn`	`ludi: yea its called foomatic-filters-ppd`
`18:50.19`	`S4nD3r_`	`I have the CD1 of installation of sarge`
`18:50.19`	`Borg^Queen`	`Where might I find Sarge DVD isos? The ones I've found so far, keep giving jigdo, 404 errors`
`18:50.46`	`valdyn`	`ludi: yea its called foomatic-filters-ppds ( fuck this nameing )`
`18:50.47`	`takatumi`	`S4nD3r_: how did you chroot?`
`18:51.05`	`S4nD3r_`	`I booted using CD1`
`18:51.14`	`marco`	`I have a problem try started bastion-firewall-interface`
`18:51.18`	`streuner`	`ludi: cupsys-driver-gimpprint is the name of the other package, if you haven't an ppd for it`
`18:51.26`	`S4nD3r_`	`then when was asked to type ENTER or F1, I typed ENTER`
`18:51.31`	`S4nD3r_`	`Then alt+F2`
`18:51.34`	`ludi`	`what about cupsys-client do I need that?`
`18:51.40`	`marco`	`in debian sarge`
`18:51.46`	`streuner`	`ludi: usually no`
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`18:52.01`	`streuner`	`ludi: configure it just over the browser`
`18:52.03`	`ludi`	`can I install both the foomatic and the gimp drivers?`
`18:52.15`	`lunitik`	`ludi: sure`
`18:52.16`	`takatumi`	`S4nD3r_: and then what?`
`18:52.34`	`ludi`	`which one is better, or how do I discern the differences and make a choice?`
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`18:52.55`	`lunitik`	`takatumi: seems he thinks each tty is a chroot... haha`
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`18:53.26`	`streuner`	`ludi: listen, if you haven't a driver in the configuration of CUPS you just install the gimp* package`
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`18:54.03`	`ludi`	`streuner: what does "if you haven't a driver in the configuration of CUPS" mean?`
`18:54.07`	`S4nD3r_`	`type chroot`
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`18:54.23`	`S4nD3r_`	`when typed grub-install /dev/hda, didnt find this comand`
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`18:54.41`	`takatumi`	`S4nD3r_: which drive is your debian installation on?`
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`18:55.09`	`szymon`	`Witam.. mam pytanie.. kt�re plyty z debianem zawieraj� �r�d�a a kt�re pakiety binarne??`
`18:55.11`	`S4nD3r_`	`/dev/hda3`
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`18:55.17`	`pfavr`	`Trying to get tg3 driver using kernel-source-2.6.11, but it is not there anymore. Any hints?`
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`18:55.44`	`streuner`	`ludi: iam talking about configuration as standalone box connected with one printer, i have no idea about shared printers, might be that you even don't need one.`
`18:55.45`	`abashuta`	`whats the best free software package for setting up a webserver?`
`18:56.03`	`digip1mp`	`in grub, i wish to disable apm and disable acpi... on my kernel line do I add noapm and noacpi, or do I use apm=off acpi=off? what's the difference?`
`18:56.05`	`szymon`	`??`
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`18:56.40`	`Paganist`	`On a freshly compiled kernel, i get QM_MODULES: function not implemented when i type lsmod.... anyone knows what i forgot in the make menuconfig or so ?`
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`18:57.14`	`trygvebw-away`	`Paganist, #kernel`
`18:57.21`	`Paganist`	`oki`
`18:57.29`	`edibletext`	`abashuta, apache.`
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`18:57.36`	`hagbard`	`so, I´ve always written my own XF86Config, but now I am lost on this fontconfig stuff, how should I modify XF86Config to interact with fontconfig?`
`18:57.54`	`xam`	`Paganist: you have compiled a 2.6 kernel? You've probably forgotten to install module-init-tools ...`
`18:58.06`	`Paganist`	`oh`
`18:58.12`	`Paganist`	`thank you xam`
`18:58.31`	`streuner`	`Paganist: are you trying to install an 2.6.x kernel on a woody system?`
`18:58.42`	`pfavr`	`Trying to get tg3 driver using kernel-source-2.6.11, but it is not there anymore. Any hints?`
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`18:58.47`	`abrotman`	`you have no module support`
`18:59.08`	`abrotman`	`or compiled a 2.6 kernel on sarge/sid without updating module-init-tools`
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`18:59.25`	`darxeth`	`in k3b, is'nt there a video burn ability?`
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`19:00.33`	`Paganist`	`Well, i'm on a pure sarge and i compiled without installing module-init-tools`
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`19:00.54`	`Paganist`	`was only blindly following debian reference which is on debian.org`
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`19:01.06`	`slinkdeb`	`hi`
`19:01.25`	`slinkdeb`	`where i can get the bot from irc that traduce languages ?`
`19:01.27`	`Virtual`	`anybody knows why when I use startx command it says : Fata server error: No screens found`
`19:01.35`	`takatumi`	`Paganist: file a bug on debian-reference package if you did it all right.`
`19:01.44`	`caphuso`	`Virtual: because of a problem`
`19:01.55`	`schelm`	`Virtual, look for error messages`
`19:01.56`	`Paganist`	`takatumi: i will`
`19:01.57`	`caphuso`	`Virtual: read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log to find out which`
`19:02.22`	`smacnay`	`jelly: got a lot of these for different services in /var/log/daemon.log "Apr 7 15:01:54 smacnay inetd[26221]: sane-port/tcp: bind: Address already in use"`
`19:02.24`	`pfavr`	`found a thread saying something about kernel-source-nonfree - how do I get that?`
`19:02.27`	`Paganist`	`well, sorry guys i disconnect this screen to connect it on the problematic node`
`19:02.30`	`Paganist`	`thank you all`
`19:02.33`	`Virtual`	`(EE) No devices found.`
`19:03.00`	`slinkdeb`	`where i can get the bot from irc that translate languages ?`
`19:03.03`	`slinkdeb`	`english and spanish`
`19:03.06`	`marco`	`hello`
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`19:03.14`	`schelm`	`Virtual, dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-config`
`19:03.16`	`smacnay`	`jelly: is there a way to shut all of the services down (killall inetd) and restart?`
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`19:03.42`	`greycat`	`smacnay: /etc/init.d/inetd restart`
`19:04.23`	`nils_`	`Virtual: make sure that you have the modules for your video card loaded and check your /etc/X11/XF86config-4`
`19:05.03`	`smacnay`	`how many listings of 'inetd' should appear in a 'ps -A' command?`
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`19:06.04`	`greycat`	`smacnay: ideally, 1 or 0.`
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`19:06.49`	`smacnay`	`greycat: I see three (two with ? after them).`
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`19:07.02`	`amorphix`	`hi guys`
`19:07.16`	`smacnay`	`greycat: all with '?' after.`
`19:07.20`	`amorphix`	`is there a quick/painless way to configure networking card/support in Debian?`
`19:07.26`	`smacnay`	`gotta run - I will tackle this later.`
`19:07.40`	`amorphix`	`a way to re-run the installation tool that does the networking part perhaps?`
`19:07.45`	`marco`	`anymore have you a firewall ??????`
`19:07.51`	`jethro`	`amorphix: run base-config`
`19:07.59`	`aardvark`	`!test`
`19:07.59`	`dpkg`	`Yes, aardvark, you're still online.`
`19:08.02`	`amorphix`	`jethro: thanks`
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`19:09.02`	`greycat`	`I have no idea what '?' means in ps's output, unless it's actually part of the command name`
`19:09.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`greycat: no controlling tty, iirc...`
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`19:09.50`	`greycat`	`dondelelcaro: that would be before the command name...`
`19:10.13`	`greycat`	`arc1:~# ps -A \| grep inetd`
`19:10.14`	`greycat`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`19:11.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`greycat: oh, right... I didn't see the actual question before it`
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`19:12.49`	`mommer`	`I have a debian system running (stable) and it obviously uses something to encrypt the passwords. Anyone knows which programm? crypt is nowhere to be found...`
`19:13.10`	`greycat`	`mommer: apt-get install manpages-dev; man 3 crypt`
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`19:14.16`	`Borg^Queen`	`Where can I get a sarge dvd iso? All the sites I use jigdo on give me a 404 error`
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`19:14.57`	`mommer`	`greycat: yeah, well, as I said, it isn't using crypt, or at least the programm 'crypt' seems to be well hidden.`
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`19:15.09`	`mommer`	`You say it comes with the man pages?`
`19:15.17`	`greycat`	`mommer: it uses C library calls`
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`19:15.32`	`greycat`	`mommer: there is no separate program to compute password hashes in the base system. (There is one in the 'whois' package, though.)`
`19:15.35`	`PLAYBOY^`	`Greetings to all I from Latvia can give me any good sites me interests what clubs at you is`
`19:15.42`	`Chrissy2k5`	`Hmm can anyone help ?� when i log into my vsftpd server from my pc with the user and pass i log into debian with it wont let me upload files :\|`
`19:16.04`	`usn`	`hi all`
`19:16.04`	`greycat`	`Chrissy2k5: in what directory?`
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`19:16.12`	`Chrissy2k5`	`var/www/`
`19:16.16`	`Chrissy2k5`	`and erm i think all`
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`19:16.23`	`jatos`	`hello`
`19:16.32`	`Borg^Queen`	`hi`
`19:16.32`	`Chrissy2k5`	`no i can upload to /home/chris`
`19:16.37`	`darxeth`	`whats a good video player? [mine is the original, noatun)`
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`19:16.47`	`jatos`	`how do you reconfigure the xfree's display modes from the shell?`
`19:16.49`	`schelm`	`darxeth, totem`
`19:17.01`	`Borg^Queen`	`darxeth: Totem, Kaffience, VideoLanClient`
`19:17.05`	`Borg^Queen`	`Xine`
`19:17.14`	`Borg^Queen`	`Kaffeine, sorry`
`19:17.37`	`jatos`	`?`
`19:17.54`	`chealer`	`!drxx jatos`
`19:17.55`	`dpkg`	`jatos: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root)`
`19:17.59`	`mommer`	`greycat: that was a good leed. Thanks. I was looking for mkpassword, it seems.`
`19:18.06`	`jatos`	`thanks`
`19:18.12`	`darxeth`	`thanks guys`
`19:18.17`	`Borg^Queen`	`Anyone? Sarge dvd iso? All the sites I use jigdo on give me a 404 error`
`19:18.28`	`lunitik`	`darkskiez: noatun can do xine... all but the vlc uses xine too...`
`19:18.29`	`Borg^Queen`	`darxeth: :)`
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`19:18.58`	`PLAYBOY^`	`Greetings to all can give me any good sites with music`
`19:19.07`	`valdyn`	`Borg^Queen: so fix the URL you are giving to jigdo`
`19:19.08`	`schelm`	`fuck off`
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`19:19.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`PLAYBOY^: try google.`
`19:19.32`	`dloader100`	`Hey everybody, I've got a question.. I installed the sarge rc3 on my server, and configured it as a router (dhcp,masq).. It works fine, but it doesn't route VPN connections.. is there a solution?`
`19:19.35`	`dacer`	`hi`
`19:19.40`	`*** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ`
`19:19.41`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@underground-eradio.sytes.net] by dondelelcaro`
`19:19.41`	`*** part/#debian PLAYBOY^ (~Admin@underground-eradio.sytes.net)`
`19:19.41`	`*** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro`
`19:19.44`	`Borg^Queen`	`valdyn: What do you mean?`
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`19:20.53`	`valdyn`	`Borg^Queen: what are you passing to jigdo-lite that yields a 404 error?`
`19:21.05`	`Borg^Queen`	`The site addy`
`19:21.18`	`Borg^Queen`	`Like I did before when I downloaded the cd set`
`19:21.36`	`valdyn`	`Borg^Queen: which site addy`
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`19:21.48`	`Borg^Queen`	`http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/`
`19:22.17`	`dacer`	`I need to configure a Internet connection throw a Proxy. How can I do?, What config file must I edit and how to set username and password.`
`19:22.45`	`lunitik`	`dacer: gnome?`
`19:22.45`	`dacer`	`yes`
`19:22.47`	`Chrissy2k5`	`Hmm can anyone help ?� when i log into my vsftpd server from my pc with the user and pass i log into debian with it wont let me upload files :\| ... i can only upload to /home/chris/`
`19:22.50`	`valdyn`	`Borg^Queen: how the hell should that URL work?`
`19:22.51`	`sergio`	`hola todos`
`19:23.01`	`dacer`	`but I need access for apt-get`
`19:23.03`	`Borg^Queen`	`valdyn: because it did before.`
`19:23.08`	`lunitik`	`dacer: System > Preferences > Network Proxy`
`19:23.17`	`valdyn`	`Borg^Queen: i _Very_ mucht doubt that`
`19:23.20`	`undertow`	having dpkg problems...my lap's battery ran out mid-install. trying to complete this install throws this: dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory" i have no idea how to fix this. tried copying over 'available-old' but that didnt work..
`19:23.21`	`schelm`	`dacer, there is a tool in the gnome-preferences`
`19:23.29`	`Borg^Queen`	`valdyn: what ever`
`19:23.30`	`dacer`	`I set proxy for gnome (Now conected with it), but not in console`
`19:23.31`	`valdyn`	`Borg^Queen: append to it : sarge-i386-1.jigdo`
`19:23.41`	`lunitik`	`dacer: or Applications > System Preferences > Network Proxy if you're still stuck on GNOME 2.8 :/`
`19:23.42`	`*** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ`
`19:23.45`	`*** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ \| sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr \| READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts \| Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here \| /msg bots NOT people \| X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg \| Java -> /msg dpkg java \| Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op \| No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet \| Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i \| people.debian.org up, some pages missing`
`19:23.51`	`chealer`	`WUHU!`
`19:23.51`	`*** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro`
`19:23.55`	`Borg^Queen`	`valdyn: have you ever used jigdo?`
`19:23.58`	`dacer`	`yes, still in gnome 2.8`
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`19:24.05`	`dondelelcaro`	`diff: gluck is back up, but some pages are probably still missing`
`19:24.06`	`lunitik`	`dacer: then the latter`
`19:24.14`	`valdyn`	`Borg^Queen: yes, last time 10 seconds ago`
`19:24.29`	`Borg^Queen`	`Then that question doesn't make any sense does it`
`19:24.32`	`streuner`	`dondelelcaro: good news :-)`
`19:24.35`	`Borg^Queen`	`Or instruction rather`
`19:24.53`	`valdyn`	`Borg^Queen: "To start a new download, enter URL of .jigdo file."`
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`19:25.10`	`Borg^Queen`	`Aye and?`
`19:25.21`	`Borg^Queen`	`I don't think you're following`
`19:25.26`	`lunitik`	`dacer: if its any condolence... you're not really missing much... coolest thing is search as you type in gtk 2.6`
`19:25.30`	`dacer`	`in System Preferences -> Network proxy, I have set it, and work, but in console I haven't conection.`
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`19:26.03`	`Glitch_Master`	`Heyo. I don't know if I should talk to #gnome about this, or tell it here. It's a complicated problem, though.`
`19:26.04`	`schelm`	`dacer, apt-setup`
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`19:26.50`	`undertow`	dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory <--any idea how to fix this?
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`19:26.50`	`valdyn`	`Borg^Queen: just do what i said, it works, i have no idea why you havent done that already`
`19:26.50`	`Glitch_Master`	`undertow: Type the right address.`
`19:26.58`	`Borg^Queen`	`done what?`
`19:27.09`	`undertow`	`Glitch_Master, im not following`
`19:27.14`	`Glitch_Master`	`...`
`19:27.23`	`valdyn`	`Borg^Queen: appended /sarge-i386-{1}.jigdo to your URL`
`19:27.24`	`greycat`	`undertow: dselect update`
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`19:27.35`	`Borg^Queen`	`It, is`
`19:27.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`Borg^Queen: ok, then use the paster bot to paste the complete output from jigdo-lite.`
`19:28.01`	`dondelelcaro`	`!paster`
`19:28.01`	`dpkg`	`Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away.`
`19:28.22`	`dloader100`	`Hey everybody, I've got a question.. I installed the sarge rc3 on my server, and configured it as a router (dhcp,masq).. It works fine, but it doesn't route VPN connections.. is there a solution?`
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`19:28.45`	`Borg^Queen`	`Never mind, I find anything site that's working`
`19:28.49`	`dloader100`	`or is VPN routing just impossible in the current kernel?`
`19:28.53`	`takatumi`	`S4nD3r_: still stuck?`
`19:28.57`	`paster`	`"lunitik" at 68.230.75.109 pasted "test" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/8`
`19:29.08`	`Babbage`	`.llew lla era uoy epoh I .gnineve dooG`
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`19:29.33`	`Glitch_Master`	`Anyway...`
`19:29.33`	`undertow`	`greycat: you are a god`
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`19:29.36`	`undertow`	`:)`
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`19:30.20`	`Glitch_Master`	`I suppose I'll first explain the problems I'm having, and then ask what I need to know.`
`19:30.30`	`lunitik`	`haha... paster rules`
`19:30.53`	`jelly`	`dloader100: I'm interested, what do you use for vpn?`
`19:30.54`	`takatumi`	`lunitik: are you trolling?`
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`19:31.32`	`lunitik`	`takatumi: ahh... no... I just wanted to see what was better about it over pastebin ...`
`19:31.37`	`drac`	`In case somebody is intrested, ATi has relesed new proprietary drivers just 'bout now. Version 8.12.10.`
`19:31.46`	`lunitik`	`takatumi: didn't realize it would notify the channel`
`19:31.46`	`greycat`	`do they work?`
`19:32.08`	`dacer`	`schelm, thanks, work fine`
`19:32.09`	`takatumi`	`drac: if it works on IGP cards, lemme know.`
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`19:32.23`	`schelm`	`dacer, np`
`19:32.23`	`drac`	`Yeah, i'm still downloading with my connection. Getting back soon. ->`
`19:32.37`	`dloader100`	`jelly: I tried to connect to the VPN server of my university, but the router won't let it thru (no firewall running)`
`19:33.23`	`Glitch_Master`	`An error when starting Package Manager ("Could not grab the mouse. A malicious client may be eavesdropping on your session.") caused GNOME to partially lock up (cursor stopped interacting with the desktop). ctrl+alt+backspace only served to partially shut down GNOME, as it locked up before it finished. Having no way to get to the console, I restarted the machine.`
`19:33.24`	`dloader100`	`jelly: (router = debian, client on windows xp laptop)`
`19:33.31`	`jelly`	`dloader100: I'm using this vpnc-client to tunnel to my work, and it works fine. Used to use Cisco's vpnclient before that.`
`19:33.32`	`Chrissy2k5`	`Hmm can anyone help ?� when i log into my vsftpd server from my pc with the user and pass i log into debian with it wont let me upload files :\| ... i can only upload to /home/chris/`
`19:33.41`	`dacer`	`schelm, I use debian for a few month, before use Suse, and Fedora, Redhat, even Slackware (a lot of years ago). I like debian`
`19:33.46`	`dacer`	`apt-get is great`
`19:34.15`	`Glitch_Master`	`When everything booted I was greeted with my newly-installed GDM interface thing. How lovely that it essentially prevents ANY access to the console, as it restarts instantly upon ctrl+alt+backspace.`
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`19:34.46`	`takatumi`	`Glitch_Master: cut to the chase.`
`19:34.51`	`Glitch_Master`	`Um...`
`19:35.10`	`dloader100`	`jelly: but installing a vpn client on the debian router will not have a affect on the problems I have connecting from a computer in my local network to a VPN server..`
`19:35.17`	`jelly`	`dloader100: if that vpn is encapsulated in udp, I see no reason why your router (if configured correctly) would not pass it through.`
`19:35.21`	`dvs`	`Glitch_Master: Alt+F1`
`19:35.27`	`dvs`	`Glitch_Master: Ctrl+Alt+F1`
`19:36.02`	`dloader100`	`jelly: it's not a hardware router, but a debian install..`
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`19:36.26`	`jelly`	`dloader100: I got that.`
`19:36.52`	`Chrissy2k5`	`can anyone please help ?� when i log into my vsftpd server from my pc with the user and pass i log into debian with it wont let me upload files :\| ... i can only upload to /home/chris/`
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`19:37.17`	`Glitch_Master`	`...Does that cut to the console regardless?`
`19:37.19`	`dloader100`	`jelly: there's not much to configure, just installed dhcp, ipmasq`
`19:37.21`	`jelly`	`dloader100: maybe linux does not have connection tracking for your particular kind of vpn.`
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`19:38.20`	`drac`	`goddamn, new ATi drivers still won't compile against 2.6.11.6.`
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`19:38.24`	`Glitch_Master`	`I'm still trying to determine all of the problems. I know one is that if I change /etc/*/group (I forgot the address of the user lists) to change the hostname that GNOME starts under, rebooting seems to revert it to the old thing, and GNOME tries to start under the wrong hostname.`
`19:38.32`	`drac`	`but IGP is supported.`
`19:38.34`	`dloader100`	`jelly: well a friend of mine has a freebsd router, and it's working fine, don't understand why debian wouldn't have support for this vpn`
`19:38.58`	`jelly`	`dloader100: freebsd might have connection tracking for ipsec.`
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`19:39.20`	`dloader100`	`jelly: and debian hasn't?`
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`19:39.52`	`Glitch_Master`	`I had completely forgetten about the multple consoles via ctrl+alt+(function key)... anyway, some input on this?`
`19:40.04`	`jelly`	`dloader100: dunno, I only have a single machine so I can't try that.`
`19:40.12`	`Glitch_Master`	`Where is the location of the group user list file thing that specifies what hostname GNOME starts under?`
`19:40.38`	`jetscreamer`	`gnome is it's own host?`
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`19:41.16`	`dvs`	`Glitch_Master: The name of the machine is in /etc/hostname if that's what you mean`
`19:41.25`	`Glitch_Master`	`Yeah... that... err..`
`19:41.45`	`dloader100`	`jelly: but connection tracking for ipsec is required for a vpn connection?`
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`19:42.33`	`Glitch_Master`	`Oh!`
`19:42.36`	`Glitch_Master`	`I know the problem, now.`
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`19:42.42`	`CroatianNinja`	`ahoy!`
`19:42.47`	`dvs`	`Glitch_Master: please... do tell`
`19:42.49`	`Glitch_Master`	`/etc/hostname won't retain changes I make on reboot.`
`19:43.05`	`jelly`	`dloader100: it surely is required if you have masquearding going on.`
`19:43.13`	`Glitch_Master`	`Sorry about the giant mass of text. -.-`
`19:43.18`	`Pappa`	`will tk ever look good? i mean, now it just looks like a windows 3.1 interface`
`19:43.51`	`Radiance`	`guys, any one introduced linux (debian) into a m$ environment ? i'm preparing some plans to a possible move and convince my boss that it'll work and give even better results. Is there something possible like "roaming profiles" with linux ?`
`19:44.00`	`Pred1`	`if i set in pureftpd the passive port range then how shold i conf. the iptables (input/out, new/related/estabilished)?`
`19:44.01`	`CroatianNinja`	`windows 3.1 was awsome!`
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`19:44.08`	`CroatianNinja`	`16 bit`
`19:44.11`	`CroatianNinja`	`oooh yeah`
`19:44.32`	`Pappa`	`CroatianNinja: maybe so, but that was then. Now gtk is the shiet.`
`19:44.35`	`greycat`	`and that william shatner. what an actor.`
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`19:44.42`	`dvs`	`yeah`
`19:44.47`	`dvs`	`Denne Crane rules!`
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`19:44.55`	`Glitch_Master`	`Radiance, while I'm sure we all love the open-source conflicts of Linux, I don't think it would go over well with your coworkers. It's not immediately user-friendly GI-wise.`
`19:44.58`	`Pappa`	`CroatianNinja: emulated 16bit on 8bit? ;)`
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`19:45.06`	`jelly`	`dloader100: I don't know. Are there _any_ conntrack modules loaded on the router?`
`19:45.46`	`streuner`	`greycat: without WS ST would be cheese ;-)`
`19:45.49`	`jelly`	`Pappa: whaddayamean, emulated`
`19:46.13`	`dloader100`	`jelly: I don't think so.. I've not installed any conntrack module myself.. maybe there's one in standard install..`
`19:46.13`	`Glitch_Master`	`Synaptic Package Manager, that is.`
`19:46.32`	`Glitch_Master`	`It won't start, because I'm not in the right hostname for GNOME right now...`
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`19:46.44`	`Glitch_Master`	`Bleh. Let's try this again.`
`19:46.45`	`Pappa`	`jelly: emulating 16-bit on 8-bit would kick ass.`
`19:47.10`	`jelly`	`Pappa: Well I had an Amiga emulator on my C64. ;-)`
`19:47.32`	`streuner`	`jelly: you mean vice versa? :-)`
`19:47.39`	`dvs`	`jelly: What? I'd beleive the other way around`
`19:47.41`	`Glitch_Master`	`Problem: /etc/hostname reverts to the old file on reboot.`
`19:47.45`	`jelly`	`streuner: I know what I mean.`
`19:47.47`	`drac`	`YES! Improved performance! 2.6.11.6, and ATi 8.12.10! Now getting 2200FPS with RADEON 9250 and X.Org 6.8.2. If anyone is intrested compiling these for own card, working patch can be found from: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~sasuomin/8.12.10-2.6.11.6.patch (and yes, IGP is now supported too!)`
`19:48.09`	`Pappa`	`until recently 65535 was RAND_MAX on windows systems. heh`
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`19:48.26`	`chealer`	`drac: 2200FPS for what?`
`19:48.33`	`drac`	`glxgears, default window size.`
`19:48.34`	`streuner`	`jelly: well, i guess you can toast bacons with C64 too?`
`19:48.58`	`CroatianNinja`	`Glitch_Master, are you sure you are getting the changes to stick in the first place?`
`19:49.05`	`jelly`	`streuner: no, use its power supply for that.`
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`19:49.34`	`Glitch_Master`	`CroatianNinja: I would think so, since reopening the file later, while running GNOME and whatnot, shows the same content.`
`19:49.38`	`drac`	`10021 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2184.200 FPS`
`19:49.48`	`nix000`	`is there a way to make {g}awk store the output of the system command ?`
`19:50.23`	`Glitch_Master`	`You know what? I don't know how to shut down normally from console. Is there a single command, or is it the thing that gives a maintenence option before continuing?`
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`19:50.40`	`dvs`	`Glitch_Master: shutdown -r now, as root`
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`19:50.49`	`Glitch_Master`	`Ah. I've been doing it right, then.`
`19:50.55`	`Glitch_Master`	`I tend to forget the "now" part. :P`
`19:51.12`	`streuner`	`jelly: i missed my old Amiga, they were some nice games for`
`19:51.24`	`Glitch_Master`	`erg. brb`
`19:51.34`	`dvs`	`streuner: I liked R-Type`
`19:51.34`	`CroatianNinja`	`if you forget your root password how do you reset it?`
`19:51.37`	`streuner`	`jelly: pushout, Lionheart`
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`19:53.00`	`streuner`	`!listkey password`
`19:53.05`	`streuner`	`!listkeys password`
`19:53.07`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'password' by key (10): i forgot rahul's password ;; password reset #DEL# ;; i forgot root's password ;; literal i forgot root's password ;; password #DEL# ;; secret password ;; ssh without password ;; uw-imapd plaintext passwords ;; forgot mysql root password ;; password reset.`
`19:53.18`	`streuner`	`!i forgot root's password`
`19:53.18`	`dpkg`	`1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.`
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`19:54.27`	`INeedHelp`	`hello can anyone help me edit my apt-get list`
`19:54.34`	`INeedHelp`	`im trying to install gnome 2.10`
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`19:54.41`	`streuner`	`uhm`
`19:54.46`	`INeedHelp`	`and i cant edit my apt-get text file`
`19:54.50`	`INeedHelp`	`im a newb sorry`
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`19:54.59`	`streuner`	`wait till its in official debian mirrors`
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`19:55.19`	`eyeris`	`Is there a way to clone the status of packages on one machine onto another machine?`
`19:55.33`	`INeedHelp`	`well i did see it on debians site`
`19:55.35`	`jjm`	`INeedHelp, nano /etc/apt/sources.list`
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`19:55.42`	`dvs`	`eye69: dpkg --get-selections > file.txt`
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`19:55.47`	`dvs`	`eyeris: dpkg --get-selections > file.txt`
`19:55.48`	`streuner`	`!info gnome-session sid`
`19:55.51`	`dpkg`	`gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 432 kB, Installed size: 2080 kB`
`19:55.56`	`Veratien`	`I take it the SPARC netinst isn't meant to ask for a runlevel when it boots?`
`19:55.56`	`plagerism`	`Hello, I have a dualhead setup using fglrx. Is it possible to have gnome running on one screen, and another wm/desktop on the other?? gnome-session seems to want to populate them both.`
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`19:55.59`	`chealer`	`INeedHelp: where?`
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`19:56.28`	`streuner`	`INeedHelp: there aren't any official packages yet`
`19:56.34`	`Glitch_Master`	`Sorry about that.`
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`19:57.03`	`Glitch_Master`	`So...`
`19:57.07`	`Glitch_Master`	`Um..`
`19:57.09`	`eyeris`	`I found the --get-selections switch. What do I feed it's output into in order to get the packages downloaded and installed though? it can't be as easy as "dpkg --get-selections \| apt-get" can it?`
`19:57.12`	`Glitch_Master`	`I'm going to tinker with this for a bit.`
`19:57.13`	`Glitch_Master`	`I'll be back.`
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`19:57.30`	`JTMarlin`	`Can anyone tell me what happens when a switch that is VLAN-aware is connected to one that is not VLAN-aware?`
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`19:58.22`	`eyeris`	`JAJAJA`
`19:58.22`	`eyeris`	`HAHAHAH`
`19:58.22`	`eyeris`	`nm`
`19:58.25`	`eyeris`	`right below it in the man page`
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`19:59.24`	`greycat`	`!congratule eyeris`
`19:59.27`	`greycat`	`!congratulate eyeris`
`19:59.28`	`dpkg`	`Yay eyeris, you did it!`
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`19:59.47`	`streuner`	`!listvals --get-selections`
`19:59.47`	`idnar`	`except I think he's gone`
`19:59.48`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of '--get-selections' by value (3): package reselect ;; debian clone ;; ffs copy.`
`19:59.49`	`jman`	`i want to load module 79xx in the kernel -- adding this to /etc/modules doesn't do much after reboot -- do I have to download the module from somewhere first?`
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`20:00.04`	`streuner`	`greycat: well, its much easier with the bots :-)`
`20:00.35`	`Veratien`	`Hurrah for [STOP]+[A]`
`20:00.46`	`streuner`	`jman: what kind for, NIC, SCSI?`
`20:00.52`	`jman`	`streuner, SCSI`
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`20:01.02`	`manu_`	`hello i made a mistake with apt-get and i removed a lot of libs , and now i restarted X and i cant go on X it says that thereis no xserverrc , know anyone how can i fix my unstable version with apt-get again ?`
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`20:01.08`	`greycat`	`jman: what version of debian, what kernel?`
`20:01.10`	`resiak`	`Chrissy2k5: If you're going to /msg me unsolicited, at least don't use a coloured question mark followed by some high-bit character.`
`20:01.15`	`streuner`	`jman: SCSI modules are compiled usually direct into kernel`
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`20:01.35`	`jman`	`streuner, sarge/kernel 2.4.29`
`20:02.12`	`*** part/#debian elPepo (~pepo@200.55.227.48)`
`20:02.25`	`jman`	`greycat, sarge/kernel 2.4.29`
`20:02.26`	`Chrissy2k5`	`can anyone please help ?� when i log into my vsftpd server from my pc with the user and pass i log into debian with it wont let me upload files :\| ... i can only upload to /home/chris/ ... is there some kind of access file or sumthin ?�`
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`20:03.05`	`resiak`	`Chrissy2k5: Quit using hi-bit chars after your ?s. Of course you can't put files elsewhere -- you're logging in as your own user, and your user doesn't have write permissions elsewhere. </guess>`
`20:03.09`	`manu_`	`hello i made a mistake with apt-get and i removed a lot of libs , and now i restarted X and i cant go on X it says that thereis no xserverrc , know anyone how can i fix my unstable version with apt-get again ?`
`20:03.16`	`resiak`	`!faq manu_`
`20:03.17`	`dpkg`	`manu_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`20:03.30`	`greycat`	`sarge doesn't have a 2.4.29 kernel.`
`20:03.37`	`streuner`	`jman: what does 'lspci -v \| grep SCSI' say?`
`20:03.41`	`nils_`	`Chrissy2k5: check /etc/vsftpd.conf and rtfm`
`20:04.02`	`Chrissy2k5`	`ta`
`20:04.08`	`Chrissy2k5`	`i checked the config tho :(`
`20:04.09`	`jman`	`streuner, 0000:03:01.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec ASC-29320ALP U320 (rev 10)`
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`20:04.29`	`Virtual`	`kernel includes at /usr/include do not match current kernel.`
`20:04.30`	`Virtual`	`they are versioned as "2.6.0-test7"`
`20:04.30`	`Virtual`	`instead of "2.6.8-2-686".`
`20:04.34`	`Virtual`	`what can I do to fix this ?`
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`20:04.50`	`Chrissy2k5`	`resiak- i been using apt-cache search a lot :)`
`20:05.00`	`Virtual`	I remember that I have to edit a file to change from 2.6.0-test7 to 2.8.6-2-686 but I can`t remember what file exactly
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`20:05.17`	`greycat`	`Virtual: /boot/grub/menu.lst probably`
`20:05.28`	`greycat`	`Virtual: but one wonders how you had 2.6.0-test7 to begin with`
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`20:05.46`	`drac`	`..and new kernel 2.6.11.7..`
`20:05.50`	`drac`	`crazy day:)`
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`20:06.23`	`Virtual`	greycat I actually had 2.4.27 dunno what`s with that
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`20:06.45`	`greycat`	`Virtual: just install the 2.6.8-2-686 kernel, then, and sarge should automatically update the menu.lst for you`
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`20:07.08`	`pfavr`	`found a thread saying something about kernel-source-nonfree - how do I get that?`
`20:07.19`	`Virtual`	greycat it`s not that, I already am in the new kernel, I need to setup fglrx driver
`20:07.25`	`*** part/#debian xpmdtr (root@AC88219F.ipt.aol.com)`
`20:07.25`	`INeedHelp`	`how do i edit a file (sources.list) for apt-get?`
`20:07.31`	`pfavr`	`Trying to get tg3 driver using kernel-source-2.6.11, but it is not there anymore. Any hints?`
`20:07.38`	`greycat`	`INeedHelp: editor`
`20:07.41`	`jman`	`streuner, i installed sg-utils and when I run sginfo -l I just get my two sata drives that run on adpatec HostRaid...`
`20:07.41`	`nils_`	`Chrissy2k5: can you create files in other directories when you log in directly?`
`20:07.41`	`resiak`	`Chrissy2k5: Have you been rtfming?`
`20:07.45`	`INeedHelp`	`i can edit it because it owned by root`
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`20:07.52`	`greycat`	`s/can/can't/?`
`20:07.54`	`resiak`	`Chrissy2k5: I told you the answer about a page ago.`
`20:08.15`	`resiak`	`Chrissy2k5: At least, I assume you're logging onto your FTP server as yourself.`
`20:08.17`	`jman`	`INeedHelp, do you have root access to the machine?`
`20:08.21`	`streuner`	`jman: did you install sarge over d-i?`
`20:08.21`	`INeedHelp`	`greycat, im a newb and i suck with vim`
`20:08.28`	`INeedHelp`	`jman, yes`
`20:08.31`	`greycat`	`INeedHelp: only root can edit it.`
`20:08.35`	`greycat`	`INeedHelp: try nano -w`
`20:08.38`	`Glitch_Master`	`What is the device name of a USB port?`
`20:08.47`	`greycat`	`Glitch_Master: device specific.`
`20:08.51`	`jman`	`streuner, no -- I installed woody and then upgraded to sarge.`
`20:09.03`	`Glitch_Master`	`greycat: ?`
`20:09.11`	`greycat`	`Glitch_Master: what is the device name of an IDE device?`
`20:09.13`	`streuner`	`jman: no luck with an 2.6.x official kernel?`
`20:09.21`	`crashbg`	`hi all, i want to ask about the kernel modules - in the 'menuconfig' and using 'help' over an option, not always tells me the module name - how can i find what is the name of the module?`
`20:09.25`	`INeedHelp`	`root@box:/home/giga# nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list`
`20:09.25`	`INeedHelp`	`bash: nano: command not found`
`20:09.25`	`INeedHelp`	`root@box:/home/giga#`
`20:09.25`	`Glitch_Master`	`greycat: Point taken.`
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`20:09.35`	`greycat`	`INeedHelp: cat /etc/debian_version`
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`20:09.49`	`jman`	`streuner, the 2.6.x kernels don't seem to support my HostRaid on my mboard, so I used 2.4.x`
`20:09.57`	`Glitch_Master`	`I'm trying to mount my mp3 player (essentially a flash drive). I've done it before... The device name I was trying didn't work the next time.`
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`20:10.21`	`INeedHelp`	`greycat, root@box:/home/giga# cat /etc/debian_version`
`20:10.21`	`INeedHelp`	`3.1`
`20:10.21`	`INeedHelp`	`root@box:/home/giga#`
`20:10.33`	`resiak`	`Glitch_Master: Look in dmesg and /proc/partitions`
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`20:10.40`	`greycat`	`how the hell did you get a debian 3.1 box without nano on it?`
`20:10.43`	`superSSS`	`I see for sarge there are 15 ISOs to download, how many are needed for basic installation?`
`20:10.47`	`greycat`	`you must have upgraded from woody or earlier...`
`20:10.49`	`resiak`	`superSSS: The first, or netinst.`
`20:10.50`	`nils_`	`Chrissy2k5: is "chroot_local_user" set to "NO"`
`20:10.51`	`jman`	`INeedHelp, su to root then use a simple editor to edit sources.list`
`20:10.52`	`resiak`	`!d-i superSSS`
`20:10.52`	`dpkg`	`superSSS, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`20:10.57`	`crashbg`	`any idea about my question for the modules?`
`20:11.08`	`greycat`	`INeedHelp: either "apt-get install nano", or try another editor. woody had "ae" for example.`
`20:11.11`	`INeedHelp`	`greycat, i install "knx-install" from knoppix 3.8`
`20:11.20`	`greycat`	`plonk`
`20:11.45`	`[TACO]`	`I believe nano is default with debian distros`
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`20:11.46`	`INeedHelp`	`greycat, ok im getting nano from apt-get now`
`20:11.47`	`Glitch_Master`	`Ah!`
`20:11.49`	`streuner`	`jman: i got some result with 'usenet', the controller is supported in 2.6.x kernels at least`
`20:11.51`	`Glitch_Master`	`sda/sdb/etc`
`20:11.52`	`Glitch_Master`	`Now I see.`
`20:11.54`	`resiak`	`!knoppix`
`20:11.54`	`dpkg`	`Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix`
`20:11.55`	`[TACO]`	`not 100% sure`
`20:11.57`	`resiak`	`INeedHelp: ^^`
`20:12.11`	`INeedHelp`	`greycat, i have "kwrite"`
`20:12.15`	`greycat`	`Glitch_Master: or /dev/input/mice or ....`
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`20:12.15`	`Veratien`	`Which idiot decided that fdisk should not be included in the sparc netinst CD ISO?`
`20:12.29`	`beardy`	`greycat: woody does not have ae`
`20:12.31`	`INeedHelp`	`greycat, no luck with it either vim is hard :-/`
`20:12.33`	`resiak`	`INeedHelp: And you can stop talking to greycat. The plonk means he is ignoring you. Go to #knoppix if you have problems with your Knoppix install.`
`20:12.40`	`greycat`	`beardy: which one did, then? potato?`
`20:12.44`	`pfavr`	`anyone know anything about tg3 kernelsource for 2.6.11?`
`20:12.45`	`Veratien`	`Because Debian's partitioner appears to be incapable of handling SUN partition tables.`
`20:12.49`	`INeedHelp`	`hah sorry im an idiot`
`20:12.50`	`greycat`	`!info ae woody`
`20:12.57`	`greycat`	`!info ae potato`
`20:12.58`	`beardy`	`greycat: Yeah.`
`20:13.02`	`dpkg`	`ae: (Anthony's Editor -- a tiny full-screen editor), section base, is required. Version: 962-26 (potato), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 75 kB`
`20:13.15`	`travisat`	`!vim`
`20:13.16`	`dpkg`	`[vim] the only true editor, or does syntax highlighting, has graphical X interface. Extremely popular vi clone that does syntax highlighting or don't forget to get .vimrc file from http://www.vim.org or the best thing since sliced bread, an editor that rocks your socks!!!, or something very cool, said because we need to have as long a block of text as the emacs factoid`
`20:13.18`	`Glitch_Master`	`greycat: Vendor: Thomson Model: RD1021_71 Player Rev: 0001 \| Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 \| Attached scsi removable disk sdb at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 \| USB Mass Storage device found at 3`
`20:13.23`	`Glitch_Master`	`sdb, specifically.`
`20:13.29`	`greycat`	`Glitch_Master: yeah, USB mass storage shows up as SCSI`
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`20:13.38`	`greycat`	`Glitch_Master: but you didn't say storage in your original question`
`20:13.42`	`jman`	`streuner, I'll be the 2.6.x probably supports the scsi card, but unfortunately I can't get it to see the hardware raid.... is there a way to get the 2.4.29 kernel to load scsi modules?`
`20:13.45`	`dogayonv`	`Hello everyone`
`20:13.46`	`INeedHelp`	`how do i run vim grapgically`
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`20:14.01`	`[TACO]`	`!info nano potato`
`20:14.03`	`dpkg`	`nano: (free Pico clone with some new features), section editors, is optional. Version: 0.9.23-1 (potato), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 400 kB`
`20:14.04`	`jman`	`streuner, can the scsi be loaded instead of compiled in?`
`20:14.06`	`Glitch_Master`	`greycat: What else would a "flash drive" be?`
`20:14.09`	`thomas_adam`	`INeedHelp: gvim or vim -g, same thing.`
`20:14.15`	`[TACO]`	`hrm, optional`
`20:14.26`	`thomas_adam`	`INeedHelp: rxvt -e vim, too.`
`20:14.33`	`greycat`	`Glitch_Master: s/original/seen-by-greycat/`
`20:14.38`	`streuner`	`jman: why do you even think 2.4.x could handle that at all?`
`20:14.50`	`INeedHelp`	`thanks everyone`
`20:15.00`	`[TACO]`	`INeedHelp: just get nano, its easy`
`20:15.04`	`greycat`	`jman: what arch has a 2.4.29 kernel in it?`
`20:15.05`	`[TACO]`	`INeedHelp: apt-get install nano`
`20:15.09`	`thomas_adam`	`INeedHelp: I only see myself answering that brain-dead question.`
`20:15.20`	`crashbg`	`or mc -e or mcedit`
`20:15.24`	`streuner`	`jman: i didn't get even one entry for an 2.4.x kernel with the controller...`
`20:15.50`	`INeedHelp`	Configuration file `/etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf'
`20:15.51`	`INeedHelp`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:15.51`	`INeedHelp`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:15.51`	`INeedHelp`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:15.51`	`INeedHelp`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:15.51`	`INeedHelp`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`20:16.18`	`greycat`	`hmm, /ignore all shows me when he gets kicked :)`
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`20:16.42`	`jman`	`greycat, i386`
`20:16.43`	`Chrissy2k5`	`can anyone please help ?� when i log into my vsftpd server from my pc with the user and pass i log into debian with it wont let me upload files :\| ... i can only upload to /home/chris/ ... is there some kind of user access file or sumthin ?'`
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`20:16.54`	`greycat`	`!find kernel-image-2.4.29 sarge i386`
`20:17.03`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-image-2.4.29 sarge i386' returned no results.`
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`20:17.09`	`[TACO]`	`INeedHelp: Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here`
`20:17.10`	`ningo`	`Chrissy2k5, pardon?`
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`20:17.28`	`INeedHelp`	`ok`
`20:17.30`	`INeedHelp`	`sry`
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`20:18.07`	`crashbg`	`pls greycat, help me - how can i find the name of the modules`
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`20:18.46`	`streuner`	`no results in pdo either...`
`20:18.51`	`ningo`	`modprobe -l insert module here`
`20:18.55`	`greycat`	`crashbg: run sarge.`
`20:18.58`	`greycat`	`what module are you talking abuot?`
`20:19.02`	`takatumi`	`it's great to read changelogs like this. http://gpoppy.org/2005-04-07-231550_1024x768_scrot.png`
`20:19.09`	`pfavr`	`anyone know where to get the kernel-source-nonfree .deb for 2.6.11?`
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`20:19.43`	`streuner`	`pfavr: for what for?`
`20:19.44`	`nils_`	`Chrissy2k5: did you type "/etc/init.d/vsftpd force-reload" after editing "/etc/vsftpd.conf"?`
`20:19.58`	`Glitch_Master`	`greycat, would you mind terribly helping me in a PM? I'm having a problem with fstab and the man file is somewhat confusing for my sleep-deprived self.`
`20:20.01`	`Chrissy2k5`	`no :\|`
`20:20.16`	`greycat`	`!msg`
`20:20.17`	`dpkg`	`(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).`
`20:20.20`	`Chrissy2k5`	`still doesnt work :(`
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`20:20.44`	`pfavr`	`streuner: I would like to build my own kernel - and I need the tg3 driver (network card in Dell Optiplex 280G)`
`20:20.45`	`takatumi`	`Glitch_Master: go crash, read the docs later, or bang your head against the wall.`
`20:20.46`	`Chrissy2k5`	`what exactly would i need to change ?�`
`20:20.54`	`Chrissy2k5`	`Grrrrr damn the question marks`
`20:21.00`	`streuner`	`pfavr: /msg dpkg kg`
`20:21.03`	`streuner`	`pfavr: /msg dpkg kp`
`20:21.15`	`streuner`	`pfavr: and download vanila source at kernel.org`
`20:21.34`	`streuner`	`pfavr: is the NIC even supported?`
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`20:21.59`	`pfavr`	`streuner, I have it running using 2.6.8`
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`20:22.17`	`streuner`	`pfavr: so what's wrong with 2.6.8?`
`20:22.20`	`Glitch_Master`	`I just want to know which column in fstab is the actual device, and which one would be the "shortcut" to the device. Is the first the "shorcut" thing?`
`20:22.24`	`pfavr`	`found a thread saying it was removed and put in kernel-source-nonfree`
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`20:22.35`	`nils_`	`Chrissy2k5: i am quite sure that the config is the problem`
`20:22.41`	`pfavr`	`streuner, just thought I would take the latest and greatest ;-)`
`20:23.05`	`Chrissy2k5`	`probably nils_ but i dont know what to change to allow me to upload to folders apart from /home/chris/`
`20:23.28`	`streuner`	`pfavr: if you haven't a reason to, why do you think even you need it?`
`20:23.32`	`pfavr`	`streuner, and I'm experiencing some usb problems and thought they might be solved`
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`20:23.55`	`streuner`	`pfavr: ChangeLog might help then`
`20:24.05`	`hcy`	`my apt-get upgrade wants to download a whole bunch of debs, but i don't have enough disk space for it all... can i get it to download them one (or a few) at a time, set up the upgrade and delete the deb, then move on to the next?`
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`20:24.28`	`pfavr`	`I'll try a vanilla kernel - will it work with kernel-package?`
`20:24.35`	`streuner`	`pfavr: read ChangeLog file at kernel.org and find if it solve your problems, usenet (groups.google.com) might help too`
`20:24.41`	`greycat`	`pfavr: only if you do it right.`
`20:24.47`	`thingfish`	`hcy: when's the last time you did apt-get clean?`
`20:24.50`	`greycat`	`pfavr: most people don't...`
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`20:25.03`	`superSSS`	`I see for sarge there are 15 ISOs to download, how many are needed for basic installation?`
`20:25.16`	`streuner`	`!superSSS about d-i`
`20:25.17`	`chealer`	`superSSS: 1`
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`20:25.23`	`streuner`	`!tell superSSS about d-i`
`20:25.29`	`hcy`	`thingfish: just now :) wasn't enough though`
`20:25.45`	`chealer`	`superSSS: as long as you have broadband, you can even get the netinstall`
`20:25.46`	`superSSS`	`the first ISO cd only?`
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`20:25.48`	`thingfish`	`hcy: I thought if it had been a while...`
`20:25.58`	`greycat`	`superSSS: that will work, but the net install is preferred`
`20:26.03`	`chealer`	`superSSS: unless you use just the netinst`
`20:26.14`	`hcy`	`thingfish: yeah me too... not sure what's taking up all the diskspace... anyway, no way you can think of doing this?`
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`20:26.45`	`greycat`	`hcy: probably you want to do an "apt-get autoclean"`
`20:26.50`	`greycat`	`hcy: or maybe even "apt-get clean"`
`20:27.02`	`hcy`	`greycat: did that`
`20:27.06`	`thingfish`	`hcy: you could do them a couple at a time, but I'd say your bigger concern should be what's taking up all your space.`
`20:27.18`	`greycat`	`hcy: in which file system?`
`20:27.20`	`pfavr`	`greycat, any special advise? I just cd kernel-source then make-kpkg buildpackage --append-to-version=pfavr`
`20:27.41`	`resiak`	`!tell pfavr -about debian reference`
`20:27.43`	`greycat`	`pfavr: our normal advice is: don't do it at all. Use a debian kernel-image.`
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`20:27.55`	`nils_`	`Chrissy2k5: is it possible to connect to your ftp server, log in and cd to /tmp?`
`20:27.57`	`resiak`	`pfavr: Read the kernel chapter. But use a kernel-image.`
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`20:28.16`	`Glitch_Master`	`sdb is the mount point I want, but anything I put for filesystem returns "special device (whatever I put) does not exist"`
`20:28.20`	`greycat`	`pfavr: the make-kpkg invocation is one of the easiest parts. The hard part is the 60-minute grueling session of answering confusing questions about kernel configuration.`
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`20:28.42`	`pfavr`	`greycat, I build the last kernel myself - and have my own custom install iso also`
`20:28.47`	`stew`	`!wb gluck`
`20:28.48`	`Glitch_Master`	`By "file system" I mean whatever the first column is.`
`20:28.48`	`dpkg`	`O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! gluck has returned!`
`20:29.07`	`greycat`	`Glitch_Master: what command are you typing?`
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`20:29.14`	`deadline`	`how can i figure out what windowmanager supports serbian language?`
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`20:29.37`	`pfavr`	`greycat, so I have a working .config - but when I did make oldconfig with 2.6.11 then the tg3 sources was missing`
`20:29.46`	`Glitch_Master`	`mount /dev/sdb and I've also tried /dev/(fstab column1 name)`
`20:29.54`	`pfavr`	`so now I'll try a vanilla source`
`20:29.57`	`Glitch_Master`	`I don't know which to mount, but both return the "special device.." crap.`
`20:30.01`	`resiak`	`Glitch_Master: /dev/sdb1`
`20:30.05`	`resiak`	`Glitch_Master: First partiton.`
`20:30.06`	`pfavr`	`thanks a lot for the help!`
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`20:30.50`	`stew`	`pfavr: tg3 has been removed from the latest debian kernel sources because its non-free`
`20:31.02`	`abrotman`	`stew: they put it back`
`20:31.02`	`greycat`	`stew: oh god.`
`20:31.11`	`stew`	`abrotman: really? when?`
`20:31.14`	`pfavr`	`stew, yes, but where do I get the kernel-source-nonfree .deb?`
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`20:31.21`	`abrotman`	`stew: a while ago .. after they removed the binary part .. afaik anyways`
`20:31.23`	`stew`	`pfavr: i dont' beilve it exists yet`
`20:31.27`	`Glitch_Master`	`resiak: for the first column in fstab? I've tried that. It returns "special device sdb1 does not exist"`
`20:31.27`	`abrotman`	`!find tg3.ko`
`20:31.35`	`pfavr`	`stew, ah ok! thanks`
`20:31.36`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'tg3.ko' (4 of 25): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-k7/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686.`
`20:31.42`	`abrotman`	`stew: i win!!!`
`20:31.45`	`stew`	`no`
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`20:31.52`	`stew`	`abrotman: i said latest kenrel sources`
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`20:32.01`	`abrotman`	`stew: i think it's still there`
`20:32.02`	`stew`	`abrotman: he's asking about 2.6.11`
`20:32.09`	`abrotman`	`stew: vanilla or debian?`
`20:32.18`	`streuner`	`debian`
`20:32.22`	`abrotman`	`stew: they had removed it .. right after the binary brouhaha .. then put it back a few weeks later`
`20:32.23`	`pfavr`	`debian, yes`
`20:32.31`	`Glitch_Master`	`What is this "vanilla" I hear of?`
`20:32.42`	`greycat`	`Glitch_Master: probably means upstream`
`20:32.46`	`abrotman`	`stew: that said .. !find tg3.c finds nothing`
`20:32.49`	`stew`	`abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/03/msg00412.html`
`20:32.50`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, vanilla just means from kernel.org`
`20:32.52`	`stew`	`abrotman: i win :)`
`20:32.57`	`Glitch_Master`	`Ah.`
`20:33.05`	`abrotman`	`stew: guess i owe you a beer .. now your lazy ass has to come collect it :)`
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`20:33.16`	`Jims`	`rather simple question - how do I 'cd' to a (windows-created) directory that has spaces in its name?`
`20:33.18`	`pfavr`	`stew, thanks - I just wanted to know if I (and google) missed something`
`20:33.35`	`Glitch_Master`	`resiak, any thoughts?`
`20:33.38`	`pfavr`	`Jims, cd peter\ favrholdt`
`20:33.39`	`beardy`	`Jims: cd "dir with spaces"`
`20:33.57`	`abrotman`	`stew: ah .. it's in non-free`
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`20:34.39`	`abrotman`	`stew: but doesn't b44 pick up most of those cards anyways?`
`20:35.03`	`stew`	`dunno`
`20:35.34`	`stew`	`i belive they are supposed to create kernel-source-nonfree-2.6.11 or kernel-modules-nonfree-2.6.11 but i can't find them yet`
`20:35.37`	`greycat`	`Jims: or tab completion`
`20:35.39`	`Glitch_Master`	`First two columns of related fstab line: sdb1 sdb \| Attempted mount: "mount /dev/sdb" reaction: "mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist"`
`20:36.00`	`Glitch_Master`	`Same reaction with "mount /dev/sdb1"`
`20:36.03`	`Jims`	`thanks`
`20:36.16`	`pfavr`	`abrotman, the one I have is called Tigon3 [partno(BCM95751) rev 4001 PHY(5750)]`
`20:36.28`	`streuner`	`stew, abrotman: that's a rheorical question unless he don't know if it solves his problems?`
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`20:37.50`	`stew`	`streuner: he's trying vanilly kernel sources which fixes his problem`
`20:38.00`	`Glitch_Master`	`Somebody must have an idea of the problem I'm having. :\`
`20:38.17`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, look in dmesg`
`20:38.42`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, unplug the usb, then look in dmesg, then plug it in again and look again`
`20:38.57`	`pfavr`	`you should get a hint on what device gets associated with it`
`20:39.36`	`pfavr`	`stew, streuner, abrotman: thanks`
`20:39.37`	`HeatHawk`	`*sigh`
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`20:39.43`	`HeatHawk`	`im having a problem with apt`
`20:40.01`	`HeatHawk`	`its hung up on an install that crapped out and i cant do anything untill it fixes it self`
`20:40.03`	`biggi_mat`	`...`
`20:40.14`	`HeatHawk`	`wxwin2.4-headers`
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`20:40.37`	`Glitch_Master`	`pfavr: I have. The device is in sdb. This USB port seems to be a little weird, because the device partially shows up in sda, and two drives would appear when I went to access it under Windows. One would be non-existent.`
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`20:41.00`	`Glitch_Master`	`That might also be the device itself or something. I'll try sda... I think it's mounted under that after all.`
`20:41.03`	`biggi_mat`	`i'm still having problems with local network. i did it all what i should do (inlcudin ifconfig, iptables and echo) but there is no traffic between my two computers which are connected with crossover.`
`20:41.11`	`biggi_mat`	`any ideas?`
`20:41.16`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, sounds strange`
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`20:41.28`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, I think it should only be sda or sdb`
`20:41.47`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, but when you mount it - you'll refer to /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1`
`20:41.53`	`HeatHawk`	`i do the -f thing, and it it craps out with error 1`
`20:41.55`	`Glitch_Master`	`pfavr: Now that I look at it, it appears to be in sda. However, if you join me in #flood, I'll show you the dmesg print.`
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`20:42.18`	`Glitch_Master`	`Oooh! Closer.`
`20:42.32`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, ok, put it in #flood`
`20:42.33`	`Glitch_Master`	`It's definitely sda. However: "mount point sda is not a directory"`
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`20:43.09`	`sander__`	`Hello. A friend lost GRUB. And he used fdisk /mbr (dos disk), now he wants to use his linux. How to get it ??`
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`20:43.23`	`greycat`	`Glitch_Master: you have crap in /etc/fstab.`
`20:43.37`	`dvs`	`Glitch_Master: Use paster and post it.`
`20:43.38`	`drini`	`sander: start off a live cd, a rescue floppy, and then reinstall grub`
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`20:43.45`	`greycat`	`Glitch_Master: try this: mkdir /foo; mount /dev/sda1 /foo"`
`20:44.14`	`slugbug`	`glitch_master: what are you trying to do?`
`20:44.22`	`slugbug`	`use a USB flash device?`
`20:44.46`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, it is definetly sda1, according to this line: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1`
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`20:45.19`	`jelly`	`I've unpacked a suspicious custom binary package, do conffiles need to have their sums in md5sums file or not?`
`20:45.21`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, so try to follow the /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/p1 path`
`20:45.26`	`Glitch_Master`	`slugbug: If you're the slugbug I think you are, I'm going through mp3 player hell again.`
`20:45.33`	`abrotman`	`sander__: use the grub boot floppy .. boot linux .. reinstall grub`
`20:45.49`	`abrotman`	`Glitch_Master: you're always going through hell ...`
`20:45.51`	`tomlobato`	`please, can I to pipe from cpio directly to growisofs(or another dvd burner)? for write to dvd without create a hard disk file`
`20:46.02`	`Glitch_Master`	`abrotman: I seem to be cursed.`
`20:46.12`	`Glitch_Master`	`I blame my ASUS motherboard. It's evil I tell ye!`
`20:46.12`	`biggi_mat`	`noone has anything ? any idea what to do?`
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`20:46.31`	`slugbug`	`I had to do "mount -t vfat /dev/sd?1 <MOUNTPOINT>" to use mine`
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`20:46.37`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, did you try the mount command?`
`20:46.48`	`takatumi`	`sander__: did you/he mount the drive? after alt-F2? before grub-install?`
`20:46.54`	`Glitch_Master`	`pfavr: hold on.`
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`20:47.34`	`slugbug`	`glitch_master: it's me`
`20:47.46`	`Glitch_Master`	`slugbug: Yes, I know.`
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`20:49.47`	`slugbug`	`glitch_master: does this MP3 player mount as a regular USB flash device?`
`20:50.01`	`green_earz`	`tomlobato: is the problem that you can only use growisofs as root ??`
`20:50.26`	`INeedHelp`	`how do you save a text file that has been modified in nano?`
`20:50.27`	`Glitch_Master`	`slugbug: It should.`
`20:50.35`	`Glitch_Master`	`I'm a little distracted. Sorry.`
`20:50.37`	`slugbug`	`INeedHelp: ^X`
`20:50.41`	`slugbug`	`Ctrl-X`
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`20:50.51`	`slugbug`	`or Ctrl-O if you don't want to close the editor`
`20:50.54`	`witless`	`ok, this is weird. i typed "prius" into google, and after the results displayed toyota.com tried to set a cookie.`
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`20:50.57`	`Glitch_Master`	`pfavr: What mount command were you referring to?`
`20:51.08`	`slugbug`	`glitch_master: most likely THE mount command`
`20:51.14`	`slugbug`	`which must be done as root`
`20:51.36`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, you'll need to write something like: mount /dev/something /mountdir`
`20:51.52`	`slugbug`	`anyway, I made a mount point at /media/camera, and to mount my camera at it (which is also a USB mass-storage device)`
`20:52.10`	`slugbug`	`I use this command: "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media camera/"`
`20:52.11`	`pfavr`	`the dev/something could be either /dev/sda1 or /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/p1 or something similar`
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`20:52.23`	`slugbug`	`and then to unmount, "umount /dev/sda1"`
`20:52.28`	`takatumi`	`'/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto sync,noauto,user 0 0' shove this in /etc/fstab`
`20:52.34`	`tomlobato`	`green_earz, no`
`20:52.37`	`slugbug`	`bye, going home`
`20:52.40`	`green_earz`	`ok`
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`20:53.03`	`sander__`	`takatumi, i got some help im my language`
`20:53.12`	`tomlobato`	`green_earz, I need to do a backup using cpio and want to sendo data directly to dvd, qithout disk space usage`
`20:53.17`	`takatumi`	`sander__: ok, cool.`
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`20:53.50`	`tomlobato`	`green_earz, something like find \| cpio \| growisofs`
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`20:54.32`	`sander__`	`takatumi, thank you very much!!!`
`20:54.38`	`drewcore`	`do you think that having my /usr partition at the end of my drive would cause programs to load slowly?`
`20:54.40`	`green_earz`	`tomlobato: sorry i can help you there.`
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`20:55.27`	`biggi_mat`	`i'm still having problems with local network. i did it all what i should do (inlcudin ifconfig, iptables and echo) but there is no traffic between my two computers which are connected with crossover.`
`20:55.43`	`INeedHelp`	`^X doesnt save it`
`20:55.44`	`biggi_mat`	`any ideas?`
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`20:55.51`	`sander__`	`takatumi, Boot from CD, type ENTER, ALT+F2, mount /dev/hda7 /any, cd /any, mount /proc -t proc proc, chroot . , grub-install /dev/hda, exit, umount proc, cd /, umount /any, reboot. Is all that correct???`
`20:55.58`	`INeedHelp`	`its just writes "^X" in the file`
`20:56.02`	`dvs`	`INeedHelp: Then you don't have the right permissions to write to the file`
`20:56.16`	`takatumi`	`sander__: yes, looks good.`
`20:56.46`	`biggi_mat`	`what did i forgot? someone sees the thing that f******* me up`
`20:56.52`	`INeedHelp`	`dvs, how do i write to a root owned file?`
`20:57.03`	`dvs`	`INeedHelp: be root`
`20:57.06`	`biggi_mat`	`be root or chmod and chow it`
`20:57.13`	`biggi_mat`	`but this chmod and chown is not good`
`20:57.18`	`takatumi`	`sander__: so does it boot now?`
`20:57.21`	`INeedHelp`	`dvs, i am i ran nano after doing "su"`
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`20:57.37`	`biggi_mat`	`INeedHelp then chmod it`
`20:57.37`	`sander__`	`no..`
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`20:57.43`	`sander__`	`We got error`
`20:57.47`	`INeedHelp`	`im an idiot can u tell me the permissions?`
`20:57.55`	`biggi_mat`	`760 maybe`
`20:58.01`	`biggi_mat`	`i don't know exactl either`
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`20:58.05`	`biggi_mat`	`exactly *`
`20:58.06`	`Stereo`	`is there any way of knowing what make-kpkg command a maintainer used to build their kernel?`
`20:58.08`	`INeedHelp`	`what i want to do is edit the sources.list in apt get`
`20:58.17`	`INeedHelp`	`so do this`
`20:58.28`	`INeedHelp`	`chmod 760 /etc/apt/souces.list`
`20:58.28`	`INeedHelp`	`?`
`20:58.35`	`biggi_mat`	`yes`
`20:58.36`	`biggi_mat`	`try it`
`20:58.36`	`takatumi`	`Stereo: why are you in search of the exact same command?`
`20:58.37`	`INeedHelp`	`ok cool`
`20:58.38`	`deadcat`	`learn sudo`
`20:58.38`	`INeedHelp`	`thx`
`20:58.44`	`takatumi`	`sander__: what error?`
`20:58.57`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: the default is 644`
`20:59.07`	`sander__`	`do not get to mount /dev/hda7 on any directory`
`20:59.08`	`INeedHelp`	`644 is roote?`
`20:59.09`	`INeedHelp`	`root`
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`20:59.28`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: google for some basic unix`
`20:59.30`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: no, those are the default perms for that file. As root, you can edit any file regardless of standard permissions.`
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`20:59.35`	`dvs`	`INeedHelp: 644 is the flags on the left side when you do "ls -l"`
`20:59.39`	`Stereo`	`takatumi: because the way I do it hasn't worked so far`
`20:59.56`	`takatumi`	`Stereo: why not?`
`20:59.57`	`glguy`	`Does anyone know if the linux joystick driver supports writing to the joystick to change things like status LEDs ?`
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`21:00.57`	`Stereo`	`it won't see my hard disks at all at boot, event hough there have been no changes in the IDE part of the config. so I'm trying initrd now, and I don't know what to do if it doesn't work when it's done compiling`
`21:01.01`	`HeatHawk`	`How can i tell apt to stop trying to install this broken package?`
`21:01.21`	`deadcat`	`HeatHawk: hold it`
`21:01.21`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, did it work?`
`21:01.30`	`asg`	`HeatHawk: /msg dpkg hold`
`21:01.30`	`dondelelcaro`	`HeatHawk: you can't. You have to actually fix the package. Paste the output of the apt-get run into #flood or use the paster bot.`
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`21:01.44`	`Glitch_Master`	`pfavr: hold on.`
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`21:02.04`	`INeedHelp`	`no luck`
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`21:02.13`	`INeedHelp`	`i still cant edit my f******** sources.list`
`21:02.15`	`INeedHelp`	`can someone help me`
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`21:02.26`	`INeedHelp`	`i need to add some lines it`
`21:02.30`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: su -`
`21:02.34`	`INeedHelp`	`to apt-get gnome 2.10`
`21:02.36`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: su - (type root password) ; nano /etc/apt/sources.lst`
`21:02.36`	`INeedHelp`	`i did su`
`21:02.43`	`INeedHelp`	`i did`
`21:02.53`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: what does 'lsattr /etc/apt/sources.lst' say?`
`21:02.55`	`INeedHelp`	`nano -w /etc/apt/souces.list`
`21:02.56`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: then we cant help you. those are the only 2 steps`
`21:02.59`	`ACiDC0re`	`re+`
`21:03.10`	`tomlobato`	`please, can I to pipe from cpio directly to growisofs (or another dvd burner)? for write to dvd without create a hard disk file`
`21:03.21`	`tomlobato`	`sorry, wrong msg`
`21:03.44`	`Glitch_Master`	`"mount point /media/sda1" does not exist.`
`21:03.48`	`Glitch_Master`	`I think I just need to make a directory. :P`
`21:03.56`	`INeedHelp`	`I see this`
`21:03.58`	`INeedHelp`	`">"`
`21:04.02`	`Glitch_Master`	`Well, that was easy.`
`21:04.10`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, just mkdir /thisismine`
`21:04.10`	`Glitch_Master`	`The whole time, I just needed to do a mkdir. :P`
`21:04.16`	`Glitch_Master`	`All done.`
`21:04.22`	`Glitch_Master`	`Thanks for the help.`
`21:04.23`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, good!`
`21:04.25`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: without the quotes (')`
`21:04.26`	`Glitch_Master`	`This will never happen again.`
`21:04.29`	`INeedHelp`	`yep`
`21:04.38`	`INeedHelp`	`root@box:/home/giga# 'lsattr /etc/apt/sources.list`
`21:04.38`	`INeedHelp`	`>`
`21:04.42`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, until the next time :-)`
`21:04.44`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: without the quotes (')`
`21:04.47`	`Glitch_Master`	`all this time we were chasing around a non-existent problem. It was just lack of a place to mount. :P`
`21:04.48`	`sander__`	`takatumi, please, help me`
`21:04.52`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: without the ' dammit`
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`21:04.59`	`INeedHelp`	`oooops`
`21:05.00`	`INeedHelp`	`hahah`
`21:05.02`	`INeedHelp`	`sorry`
`21:05.10`	`sander__`	`I do not get to mount the ide device`
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`21:05.49`	`deadcat`	`asg: i doubt it has to do with chattr, i think hes just too dumb to edit the file and update`
`21:05.58`	`INeedHelp`	`root@box:/home/giga# lsattr /etc/apt/sources.list`
`21:05.58`	`INeedHelp`	`----------------- /etc/apt/sources.list`
`21:06.00`	`Glitch_Master`	`I'm a lot happier now.`
`21:06.05`	`Glitch_Master`	`Everything is fixed.`
`21:06.08`	`Glitch_Master`	`Thank you so much.`
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`21:06.25`	`Glitch_Master`	`My old problem with the hostname was that I simply wasn't changing /etc/hostname`
`21:06.28`	`pfavr`	`Glitch_Master, glad I could help - then I did do something useful today`
`21:06.29`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: what exact error do you get when you type 'nano -w /etc/apt/sources.lst' ?`
`21:06.32`	`Glitch_Master`	`I was changing some GNOME hostname thing.`
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`21:06.40`	`Glitch_Master`	`Oh... I have one other question...`
`21:06.43`	`INeedHelp`	`i just add the lines i need to add`
`21:06.49`	`INeedHelp`	`and type "^X"`
`21:06.49`	`asg`	`deadcat: yeah, though I've seen people agonize for hours here over just that problem`
`21:06.55`	`INeedHelp`	`and it doesnt save`
`21:07.12`	`Glitch_Master`	`Since my new GDM interface lacks a way to go directly to the console, will ^-alt-F1(or other function key) do it?`
`21:07.28`	`travisat`	`Glitch_Master: yes`
`21:07.32`	`Glitch_Master`	`Thanks.`
`21:07.33`	`deadcat`	`asg: but why would they have anything in lsattr? unless they have been rooted or what ever, in that case, reinstall rather then edit the file`
`21:07.55`	`asg`	`deadcat: I came in late, I wasn't sure if this was his box or one someone else setup.`
`21:07.56`	`Glitch_Master`	`Should I have a problem, I'll be back to once again torture you with my bad luck, though I'm sure you enjoy helping people. :P`
`21:07.58`	`HeatHawk`	`i put both packages on hold and its still complaining`
`21:08.15`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: just type: echo "deb http:// blah2.10gnomeshit /" >> /etc/apt/sources.list`
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`21:08.25`	`drewcore`	`some of my apps are starting very slowly... i think it might be because my usr partition is at the end of my drive`
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`21:08.47`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: i think you should use ubuntu rather than debian.`
`21:08.53`	`INeedHelp`	`yeah haha :)`
`21:09.02`	`INeedHelp`	`i installed from knoppix`
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`21:09.33`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: wrong channel. you really should give ubuntu a try. clearly debianis not for you.`
`21:09.48`	`INeedHelp`	`ive tried FD3 also`
`21:10.00`	`INeedHelp`	`this is the first thing that worked out of the box with ipw2200`
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`21:10.18`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: ipw2200 works on ubuntu as well.`
`21:10.23`	`INeedHelp`	`so ive seen`
`21:10.38`	`LeeColleton`	`how do I relabel VFAT volumes in debian?`
`21:10.49`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: just download it and try it. you dont have to config shit. you get 2.10gnome default`
`21:11.09`	`S4nD3r_`	`snif`
`21:11.09`	`INeedHelp`	`nice :D`
`21:11.10`	`HeatHawk`	`deadcat, if you arent too too busy im still havin this apt problem`
`21:11.27`	`deadcat`	`HeatHawk: ask`
`21:11.28`	`INeedHelp`	`what do u use deadcat?`
`21:11.44`	`deadcat`	`win95`
`21:11.49`	`HeatHawk`	i held both the packages, but the problem is this: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/aclocal/wxwin.m4', which is also in package wx2.5-common
`21:12.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`!force-overwrite`
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`21:12.25`	`deadcat`	`HeatHawk: download the .deb then use dpkg --force-overwrite -i asdf.deb to install`
`21:12.51`	`takatumi`	`sahadev: what error?`
`21:13.01`	`INeedHelp`	`>deadcat< CTCP VERSION`
`21:13.01`	`INeedHelp`	`-deadcat- VERSION irssi v0.8.9 - running on Linux i686`
`21:13.04`	`takatumi`	`sander_: ^^`
`21:13.05`	`INeedHelp`	`hmm win95?`
`21:13.06`	`HeatHawk`	`ah`
`21:13.07`	`HeatHawk`	`thanks guys`
`21:14.05`	`Pappa`	`you know how programs like urxvt has a fancy effect with transparency, called shading`
`21:14.11`	`Pappa`	`why does that not work?`
`21:14.25`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: if you cat /etc/debian_version and show 3.1 is that mean you are using debian? no knoppix has that file too`
`21:14.51`	`deadcat`	`Pappa: urxvt can do that?`
`21:14.52`	`jharrison`	`heh mandriva`
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`21:14.59`	`deadcat`	`Pappa: try {e,a}term`
`21:14.59`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 814] by debhelper`
`21:15.00`	`Pappa`	`deadcat: -sh XX%`
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`21:15.09`	`INeedHelp`	`deadcat, i dont understand`
`21:15.21`	`Pappa`	`in --help, it says it can. aterm doesnt cooperate.`
`21:15.26`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: i use deb.`
`21:15.31`	`INeedHelp`	`cool`
`21:15.42`	`INeedHelp`	`ive even tried gentoo :/`
`21:15.47`	`INeedHelp`	`that was a joke`
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`21:16.23`	`Pappa`	`-tr works fine, but with -sh it turns all black`
`21:16.23`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: there ARE userfriendly distro like ubuntu.`
`21:16.34`	`Pappa`	`even with root set to -solid white`
`21:16.39`	`INeedHelp`	`ill check it out :P`
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`21:17.04`	`deadcat`	`Pappa: maybe urxvt is like aterm on your system. (=`
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`21:17.25`	`Peaker`	`Is there any possible way to know when I have used an installed package? in all of mtime/atime/ctime I get the last times apt-get upgraded the package, and not the last time I used it`
`21:17.39`	`Pappa`	`deadcat: huh?`
`21:17.40`	`takatumi`	`INeedHelp: when you are done playing around with the clones, be back.`
`21:17.57`	`INeedHelp`	`takatumi, what???`
`21:18.00`	`deadcat`	`Pappa: nevermind. i never used *rxvt before`
`21:18.07`	`takatumi`	`INeedHelp: never mind.`
`21:18.08`	`Peaker`	`I think it could prove to be a very useful statistic, to know when one uses a package.. perhaps a utility like auto-apt proxy to libc..`
`21:18.09`	`Pappa`	`deadcat: well, with shading in aterm transparency does not work, and urxvt ignores it. same with fluxbox.`
`21:18.26`	`Peaker`	`I would like to uninstall a LOT of packages that I have not used in a long while, but I cannot find them :(`
`21:18.27`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: he means when you learn what permissions and shits. give debian another try`
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`21:18.48`	`asg`	`deadcat: if he was root, permissions would not be an issue`
`21:18.49`	`deadcat`	`Pappa: aterm bug is that you can sh 100%`
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`21:18.51`	`INeedHelp`	`debian is fricken hard`
`21:19.01`	`INeedHelp`	`i have 4 cds of 3.0`
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`21:19.10`	`INeedHelp`	`that was a waste of CD-r's for me`
`21:19.11`	`takatumi`	`!d-i INeedHelp`
`21:19.12`	`dpkg`	`INeedHelp, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
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`21:19.21`	`deadcat`	`takatumi: d-i aint gonna help him.`
`21:19.25`	`ledet`	`INeedHelp: working with computers is fricken hard`
`21:19.32`	`INeedHelp`	`ha`
`21:19.32`	`takatumi`	`deadcat: what exactly is his problem?`
`21:19.46`	`INeedHelp`	`i guess thats why i work for IT`
`21:19.48`	`ledet`	`deadcat: youre saying he's beyond help? :)`
`21:19.49`	`INeedHelp`	`:/`
`21:19.51`	`deadcat`	`takatumi: he claims he cant edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root`
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`21:20.07`	`INeedHelp`	`ill show u`
`21:20.09`	`deadcat`	`ledet: (=.. suicidal hehe`
`21:20.13`	`INeedHelp`	`i cant f**** edit it`
`21:20.36`	`Peaker`	`INeedHelp: I have recently installed Debian from scratch as a "test" of how newbies can react to Debian. Indeed it had several faults that make it impossible for non-gurus to install smoothly, but those things are easily solved by a guru`
`21:20.38`	`ledet`	`INeedHelp: then you need to install an editor`
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`21:20.45`	`INeedHelp`	`haha i did`
`21:20.50`	`INeedHelp`	`i was here a while back`
`21:21.17`	`kbrooks`	`I have a question. How do I make guarddog allow me to access a local irc server? i added a zone`
`21:21.21`	`Peaker`	`INeedHelp: What did you try to use to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and how did it respond?`
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`21:21.43`	`[2D2D]Boneless`	`"apt-get xxxx" -> "depends on yyyy, but is not to be installed".`
`21:21.55`	`[2D2D]Boneless`	`Why is it not to be installed, how to force?`
`21:22.12`	`DuaneAllman`	`Hi, I have problems displaying some chars in mozilla firefox/thunderbird whit pages/emails encoded in utf-8. anyone can help me please?`
`21:22.20`	`shingouz`	`[2D2D]Boneless: apt-get install foo bar instead of just apt-get install foo`
`21:22.34`	`deadcat`	`[2D2D]Boneless: you cant. wait till the pkg available.`
`21:22.49`	`asg`	`[2D2D]Boneless: because you've either a) bobbitted your machine or b) you are using sarge and the package in question is not available right now (/msg dpkg why is foo not in testing)`
`21:22.58`	`Peaker`	`I think it could be cool to make dpkg/apt never touch the atime/mtime/ctime of files, or alternatively, store the original times somewhere (a db file?) so one can know when a package was used _not_ by the package system itself, in order to be able to uninstall unused packages`
`21:22.59`	`chabay`	`I have a browser issue. If you're running debian with the firefox browser... got to www.finishline.com... go to the Men's tab. Then notice the left-hand navigation pane. The sub items don't show up like they do in IE. Why??`
`21:23.19`	`[2D2D]Boneless`	`I'm trying to install kde3.4`
`21:23.20`	`deadcat`	`chabay: cus its IE.`
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`21:23.25`	`asg`	`chabay: because it was coded by a complete wanker?`
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`21:23.42`	`deadcat`	`chabay: IE will display shit if you let it`
`21:23.54`	`INeedHelp`	`Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- using "application/*"`
`21:23.54`	`INeedHelp`	`Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"`
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`21:24.17`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: you got that from 'nano -w /etc/apt/sources.lst' ?`
`21:24.26`	`chabay`	`The navigation pane works with firefox on windows, but not with firefox on debian. Any ideas?`
`21:24.30`	`takatumi`	`looks like an error in mutt.`
`21:24.32`	`INeedHelp`	`from edit`
`21:24.33`	`deadcat`	`asg: hes actually on knoppix though`
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`21:24.53`	`DuaneAllman`	`do you see all glyps correctly on this page: http://smontagu.damowmow.com/utf8test.html ? I am using mozilla firefox`
`21:25.01`	`asg`	`deadcat: true though even knoppix can't have fucked up nano that bad :)`
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`21:25.04`	`deadcat`	`chabay: nop. try ff on diff distros?`
`21:25.17`	`deadcat`	`asg: but with a user like him you never know (=`
`21:25.34`	`\|XO2\|`	`nano is da best! :)`
`21:25.40`	`asg`	`deadcat: we make no assumptions ;)`
`21:25.41`	`INeedHelp`	`i did apt-get nano`
`21:25.42`	`Peaker`	`INeedHelp: Are you trying to edit the file from the gui or from the command line?`
`21:25.43`	`INeedHelp`	`works ok`
`21:25.48`	`INeedHelp`	`command line`
`21:25.53`	`INeedHelp`	`I wish i could use a GUI`
`21:25.55`	`Peaker`	`INeedHelp: what is the exact command you are typing?`
`21:25.58`	`deadcat`	`asg: HAHHHHAH`
`21:26.06`	`Peaker`	`INeedHelp: I asked what you tried to do and what the response was, but you only wrote the response`
`21:26.07`	`Pappa`	`ah i get it, psuedo-transparency works but not real transparency. bitch.`
`21:26.21`	`deadcat`	`asg: logout as user, login kde as root. then you do what ever you want.`
`21:26.29`	`markybob`	`over the last 8 days my corporate server's been under constant ssh brute-force attacks...i've done everything i know to do. used AllowGroup in sshd_config to lower the number of accounts that'll work, etc. any other suggestions? is attempted hacking against the law, or can i only contact the authorities after a succesful attack? which authorities?`
`21:26.38`	`INeedHelp`	`edit /etc/apt/sources.list`
`21:26.42`	`deadcat`	`Pappa: ah. is that like transparent but not showing the bg image?`
`21:26.43`	`asg`	`deadcat: will it ever end ... arg :)`
`21:26.54`	`Peaker`	`INeedHelp: Try to replace "edit" with "nano"`
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`21:26.59`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: do nano /etc/apt/sources.list`
`21:27.01`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: do nano /etc/apt/sources.lst`
`21:27.04`	`deadcat`	`INeedHelp: dammit. just download ubuntu and install that shit`
`21:27.10`	`INeedHelp`	`haha :D`
`21:27.25`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: because 'edit' is a link to run-mailcap(1)`
`21:27.31`	`pillBOX`	`I'd like to say that, as a debian newbie, I'm really enjoying the wiki site in the topic. ^_^`
`21:27.41`	`DuaneAllman`	`do you see all glyps correctly on this page: http://smontagu.damowmow.com/utf8test.html ? I am using mozilla firefox`
`21:27.50`	`chabay`	`so nobody can tell me why that navigation pane won't work correctly with firefox on debian? Go to www.finishline.com, click on Men's .... look at the left-hand pane.`
`21:28.00`	`Peaker`	`INeedHelp: btw: There are GUI utilities to edit those files.. And its a good idea to specify what you did and not only what the error was when asking for help`
`21:28.02`	`INeedHelp`	`ok im without -w in nano`
`21:28.03`	`deadcat`	`pillBOX: not bad eh? (=`
`21:28.16`	`asg`	`INeedHelp: who cares, nano foo as root is all you need in this case`
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`21:28.30`	`kbrooks`	`foobarbazed!`
`21:28.35`	`kbrooks`	`foobarified`
`21:28.43`	`Pappa`	`ed is sweet.`
`21:28.45`	`Peaker`	`its pretty crappy that a package took over the namespace of the word "edit" and such`
`21:28.47`	`asg`	`!be ed`
`21:28.47`	`dpkg`	`?`
`21:28.50`	`pillBOX`	`I'm jealous of the wiki.`
`21:28.50`	`INeedHelp`	`ok thanks you guys for putting up with me but i g2g`
`21:29.05`	`asg`	`pillBOX: glad you like it`
`21:29.15`	`deadcat`	`we win!`
`21:29.22`	`asg`	`deadcat: or have been trolled`
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`21:29.31`	`deadcat`	`)=`
`21:29.37`	`petemc`	`chabay: you're better off contacting the webmaster, tho you shouldnt expect too much`
`21:29.49`	`pillBOX`	`Not trolling. Just singing for the unsung heros. ^_^`
`21:30.01`	`drewcore`	`would the order that partitions are placed on my harddrive have any effect of file loading times?`
`21:30.05`	`deadcat`	`pillBOX: we ment the other dude (=`
`21:30.09`	`pillBOX`	`Oh.`
`21:30.12`	`pillBOX`	`Right.`
`21:30.13`	`asg`	`pillBOX: I was referring to INeedHelp`
`21:30.17`	`pillBOX`	`Yeah, probably a troll.`
`21:30.24`	`kbrooks`	`who?`
`21:30.27`	`Peaker`	`drewcore: probably`
`21:30.33`	`deadcat`	`asg: i bet hes in #gentoo saying the same shit (=`
`21:30.42`	`kbrooks`	`noobs RULE`
`21:30.42`	`chabay`	`petermc: well normally i would think it was a browser issue but the site works fine under firefox/windows... just not firefox/debian.`
`21:30.48`	`drewcore`	`Peaker: is there a way to move partitions around?`
`21:30.52`	`asg`	`kbrooks: the one who installed nano on knoppix and typed 'edit /etc/apt/sources.lst' as root and was complaining it wouldn't work`
`21:31.02`	`Peaker`	`drewcore: maybe qtparted`
`21:31.03`	`asg`	`deadcat: or he's a #gentoo plant`
`21:31.03`	`kbrooks`	`asg: oh. ok`
`21:31.15`	`drewcore`	`Peaker: thx, i'll look into`
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`21:31.36`	`Peaker`	`asg: it does bring up a good point that no package should take over the word "edit", besides a link to /etc/alternatives/text-editor or such`
`21:31.40`	`tode`	`if my terminal tty's get screwed up and "reset" doesn't work can I reset the display somehow? (I have ssh access)`
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`21:32.02`	`petemc`	`nice`
`21:32.07`	`asg`	`Peaker: well, editor and sensible-editor are links to alternatives. Why 'edit' links to run-mailcap(1) is probably historical.`
`21:32.09`	`chabay`	`anyway, next issue... I have a secondary hard drive installed that is formatted with NTFS, what should i look into that will access that drive under debian?`
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`21:32.18`	`Peaker`	`asg: its a terrible namespace coup :)`
`21:32.26`	`dambodog_`	`LSorensen, hi, i have downloaded the driver from the adaptec site - how do i actually install this driver.. the readme really sucks`
`21:32.31`	`deadcat`	`instead of edit, just $EDITOR`
`21:32.36`	`petemc`	`chabay: you can read it easily, load the ntfs module and mount it with -o umask=022`
`21:32.39`	`Peaker`	`deadcat: or "editor" as asg said`
`21:32.45`	`asg`	`Peaker: true, a windows expat newbie tripper`
`21:32.47`	`Peaker`	`so, is there any way in Debian to know when a package was used?`
`21:32.47`	`eerr`	`hey, does anyone here have any minix programming experience ?`
`21:33.13`	`Peaker`	`eerr: maybe Linus Torvalds but its been about 12 years`
`21:33.27`	`takatumi`	`Peaker: tried deborphan or debfoster if that is what you are after?`
`21:33.36`	`asg`	`eerr: buy the Andy Tennenbaum Operating Systems book; there's plenty of info there.`
`21:33.45`	`Peaker`	`takatumi: Those are good but don't use the date/time of the used package`
`21:33.54`	`Peaker`	`takatumi: I'm looking for a way to know when a package was last used`
`21:33.54`	`pillBOX`	`People still use minix?`
`21:34.00`	`chabay`	`petemc: newbie here... how do i load the ntfs module? Is it something i have to install first, or just run a command?`
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`21:34.19`	`asg`	`pillBOX: it's still used for some, albeit odd, learning classes`
`21:34.42`	`takatumi`	`Peaker: and how would you define 'usage of a package'?`
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`21:34.48`	`pillBOX`	`Really? A friend of mine took a UNIX basics source recently and they taught him on HPUX of all things.`
`21:34.55`	`petemc`	`chabay: modconf`
`21:34.56`	`dambodog_`	`hi, how would you recommend installing a driver on the kernel without recompileing to a new kernel?`
`21:35.06`	`asg`	`pillBOX: hehe`
`21:35.08`	`pillBOX`	`It's true what they say, those can't do, teach.`
`21:35.22`	`takatumi`	`dambodog_: module-assistant`
`21:35.22`	`asg`	`pillBOX: I work for a college. I know all about that.`
`21:35.26`	`petemc`	`dambodog_: it should be fine, so long as you use the same version of gcc`
`21:35.31`	`pillBOX`	`Oh. O_O`
`21:35.41`	`asg`	`pillBOX: as a network admin, not a teacher ;)`
`21:35.44`	`dambodog_`	`basically add an external driver to my kernel? i have downloaded a driver from adaptec website but I am not sure how to add it to my kernel`
`21:35.44`	`pillBOX`	`I hope you're not a teacher. ^_^ Or I'd have to appologize.`
`21:35.47`	`pillBOX`	`Oh, whew.`
`21:35.50`	`pillBOX`	`^_^`
`21:35.53`	`asg`	`pillBOX: most of our teachers are complete and utter morons.`
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`21:36.05`	`takatumi`	`asg: hah.`
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`21:36.11`	`deadcat`	`asg: my "linux admin" instructor is a complete MORON (=..`
`21:36.12`	`pillBOX`	`Our notes probably look similar.`
`21:36.31`	`asg`	`pillBOX: I have one that ask me, every semester, where to download the ssh client for his windows machine. It's been on the same linux box he's used to teach students for 5 years.`
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`21:37.01`	`deadcat`	`asg: well. mine uses gnome file manager to display /etc/hosts. (=`
`21:37.11`	`asg`	`deadcat: eeeek, that's pretty bad.`
`21:37.12`	`deadcat`	`asg: and he has a terminal open.`
`21:37.20`	`pillBOX`	`Wow`
`21:37.24`	`pillBOX`	`Egads.`
`21:37.40`	`deadcat`	`asg: i was thinking to myself. "mother fucker cat /etc/hosts is must faster than moving the damn mousepad"`
`21:37.40`	`pillBOX`	`I suspect their IT departments image a lot of systems.`
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`21:38.00`	`asg`	`deadcat: it is, and more instructive.`
`21:38.25`	`deadcat`	`ya. he was showing hwo to config named via that RH gui shit. and he couldnt get it t work (=`
`21:38.32`	`pillBOX`	`cat is relatively pointless. grep or less would be optimal`
`21:38.33`	`deadcat`	`what and idiot.`
`21:38.42`	`asg`	`deadcat: at least I managed to convince our IT department to teach Python as an intro language instead of QBasic.`
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`21:39.04`	`deadcat`	`pillBOX: thats not it. he ls -l on /etc/ then scroll the terminal to look for resolv.conf`
`21:39.11`	`pillBOX`	`Pascal is a language that was designed to teach programming concepts to people with`
`21:39.12`	`deadcat`	`asg: nice.`
`21:39.22`	`asg`	`pillBOX: in this age of DNS, /etc/hosts is most likely able to fine on an 80x25 terminal.`
`21:40.04`	`pillBOX`	`True`
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`21:40.43`	`asg`	`pillBOX: besides, pedagogically, after using cat, you can then intro less and grep for easy data extraction ;)`
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`21:40.58`	`deadcat`	`asg: the idiot doesnt know what ad-hoc mode is. linux AND windows. man. if i have a damn degree i will take his job. (=`
`21:41.01`	`phogg`	`asg: unless you blacklist 1000 known bad sites`
`21:41.13`	`drac`	`Hmm. I just disabled my onboard soundcard, and installed new one. ALSA, udev, 2.6 kernel. I've ran alsaconf, and it founds my new card, and loads modules for it. Still, it says.. /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: No soundcards found... and alsamixer alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory. Tried also apt-get remove --purge alsa-base && apt-get install alsa-base && alsaconf. Any help is appreciated.`
`21:41.24`	`dambodog_`	`takatumi, how do i actually add the source pkg i downloaded to the module-assistant?`
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`21:41.33`	`pillBOX`	`asg: Nice word. I had to look that up.`
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`21:41.43`	`pillBOX`	`asg: Also good point.`
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`21:41.59`	`asg`	`phogg: true though, as I said above, that's a) unlikely and b) pedagogically useful if you do have a large /etc/hosts for introducing useful utilities like grep and less/more`
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`21:42.06`	`chimaera`	`i just created a crontab entry for a user (crontab -e) but it seems it's never called anything else i have to do? (the entry: "/5 * * * getmail > ~/.getmail.log 2>&1"`
`21:42.08`	`asg`	`!dict pedagogy`
`21:42.10`	`dpkg`	`could not find definition for pedagogy`
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`21:42.34`	`asg`	`!dict pedagogue`
`21:42.36`	`dpkg`	Dictionary 'pedagogue' (2 of 3): Pedagogue \Ped"a*gogue\, n. [F. p['e]dagogue, L. paedagogus, Gr. ?; pai^s, paido`s, a boy + ? to lead, guide; cf. ? leading. See Page a servant, Agent.] 1. (Gr. Antiq.) A slave who led his master's children to school, and had the charge of them generally. ;; 2. A teacher of children; one whose occupation is to teach the young; a schoolmaster..
`21:42.53`	`Stereo`	`asg: pedagogically, you should make people use < instead of cat, and use cat to join two files`
`21:42.54`	`pillBOX`	`chimaera: use a full path for getmail?`
`21:42.59`	`deadcat`	`chimaera: maybe you dont have mail?`
`21:43.07`	`chimaera`	`deadcat: drrrr.`
`21:43.11`	`deadcat`	`(=`
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`21:43.19`	`cadu`	`hello!`
`21:43.37`	`chimaera`	`pillBOX: well, calling getmail directly form the console works fine.. anyway, i'll give it a shot.`
`21:43.39`	`asg`	`Stereo: that's shell dependant though`
`21:43.45`	`Stereo`	`yes`
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`21:43.52`	`Stereo`	`zsh supports it`
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`21:43.57`	`asg`	`Stereo: bash doesn't`
`21:43.59`	`pillBOX`	`cron doesn't have a PATH env`
`21:44.00`	`Stereo`	`bash doesn't and it annoys me`
`21:44.07`	`pillBOX`	`Unless you give it one`
`21:44.10`	`drac`	`ALSA problems: http://www.pastebin.com/268628`
`21:44.30`	`kps`	`hi, just wanted to tell we've been working a bit on a Free Software asteroids style 2d space game called XPilot NG, and released a version 4.7.0. you could try download it at http://xpilot.sourceforge.net/`
`21:44.41`	`takatumi`	`dambodog_: is it a debian packaged module?`
`21:44.56`	`deadcat`	`kps: thanks but we can apt-get update`
`21:44.56`	`phogg`	`Stereo: teaching people to use cat and pipes to manipulate data gives them a better idea of the power of the system than doing things the absolute Right. way. I still tell newbies to cat \| grep rather than grep the filename because they are learning to use \| more than they are learning the Right way.`
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`21:45.15`	`Stereo`	`oh dear`
`21:45.21`	`kps`	`developed mostly on debian, a guy called synrg should make debs some day`
`21:45.26`	`Stereo`	`that's a useless pipe and a useless cat`
`21:45.32`	`pillBOX`	`uuoc`
`21:45.32`	`stouset`	`phogg: Hell, I haven't considered myself a newbie in a long time but I still "cat foo \| grep" just because that's the way that "feels" correct.`
`21:45.36`	`deadcat`	`kps: cool.`
`21:45.40`	`peterS`	`phogg: that's the dumbest reason I've heard yet, to use cat`
`21:45.41`	`pillBOX`	`But it's important to teach the understanding of piping`
`21:45.55`	`Stereo`	`there are plenty of good examples for pipes`
`21:45.57`	`phogg`	`Stereo: yes, but it's an easy way to give people who have no knowledge an understanding of what's happening with the pipe`
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`21:46.05`	`kps`	`well sort of a legacy game, but a lot of hard work went into it so i thought i mentioned it here`
`21:46.05`	`pillBOX`	A lot of people don't understand the difference between \| > < and ``
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`21:46.10`	`Stereo`	`ps \| grep for example`
`21:46.20`	`xam`	`Stereo: yeah, mostly to put tabacco in them and smoke`
`21:46.25`	`pillBOX`	`They just guess at them until it works, or worse yet, ask a rediculous question in a channel such as this.`
`21:46.32`	`xuser`	`anyone know how to increase the font on Eterm?`
`21:46.43`	`deadcat`	`xuser: -font ?`
`21:46.49`	`phogg`	`Stereo: normal people don't need to list processes, whereas normal people do need to view files.`
`21:46.51`	`Stereo`	`I like to ask people what << does, just to confuse them`
`21:47.01`	`xuser`	`deadcat: you guessing?`
`21:47.06`	`chimaera`	`pillBOX: possible that the reason is that i didn't had a <lf> at the end of the entry?`
`21:47.07`	`deadcat`	`xuser: hell ya`
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`21:47.12`	`stouset`	`Stereo: Duh, it's the stream operator ;)`
`21:47.15`	`deadcat`	`xuser: try man eterm`
`21:47.25`	`pillBOX`	`chimaera: bad form, but probably not.`
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`21:47.38`	`pillBOX`	`I'm still guessing you don't have PATH set in the crontab.`
`21:47.43`	`Stereo`	`stouset: duh :>`
`21:47.44`	`phogg`	`Stereo: << is when you meant <<< but didn't left your finger far enough one time.`
`21:47.50`	`takatumi`	`dambodog_: I just re-read what you have written, module-assistant may not work with the adaptec modules, you will probably need to install the corresponding kernel-headers or kernel-souce and follow the docs.`
`21:47.57`	`pillBOX`	`So cron has no idea what you're talking about when you tell it to run something`
`21:48.01`	`xuser`	`deadcat: I tried. :(`
`21:48.14`	`stouset`	`Stereo: Or it's "way less than"`
`21:48.19`	`xam`	`pillBOX: you often have to specify the full path to the binary you are calling.`
`21:48.23`	`Stereo`	`phogg: if normal people just need to see files and grep them, they have no use for pipes`
`21:48.24`	`pillBOX`	`Remember that cron is not run from a shell, it doesn't inhereit a PATH`
`21:48.27`	`deadcat`	`xuser: use a diff font. i dont have eterm so i cant be a hlep`
`21:48.32`	`stouset`	`Stereo: As opposed to <<< which is hella less than`
`21:48.35`	`pillBOX`	`Well, okay, it is run from a shell`
`21:48.39`	`pillBOX`	`But a shell without a PATH enviroment`
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`21:48.47`	`Stereo`	`and <<<< which is sharp curve to the left`
`21:48.54`	`deadcat`	`HAHAHA`
`21:48.57`	`stouset`	`Ha.`
`21:49.03`	`xuser`	`deadcat: Ok.`
`21:49.10`	`phogg`	`Stereo: it lets them do something they need and at the same time learn something new and useful. I see no bad there.`
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`21:49.17`	`deadcat`	`xuser: you tried aterm?`
`21:49.26`	`stouset`	`Anyone know a font package which has bopomofo fonts? :-)`
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`21:49.32`	`Virtual`	Any idea why I cannot read from cds? I guess the drives don`t mount but i`m not sure...
`21:49.37`	`Stereo`	`phogg: if they need it and it is useful to them, show them an example of it. Not cat \| grep.`
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`21:49.47`	`stouset`	`I'm trying to prevent ever having to see those boxes with unicode numbers ever again.`
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`21:50.09`	`Stereo`	`stouset: try code2000`
`21:50.11`	`xam`	`pillBOX: depending on the shell it will read at least some config files, eg. /etc/environment. where some PATH might be specified`
`21:50.17`	`enoerr`	`I'm trying to get a custom 2.6 kernel running and keep getting a kernel panic: VFS error: unable to mount unknown-block(3,4). Any suggestions as to what's wrong?`
`21:50.23`	`phogg`	`Stereo: and get met by a "Why would I care?" response. I want to cause them to want to know what I want them to know, which they definitely don't by default.`
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`21:50.29`	`deadcat`	`xuser: for aterm you can "aterm -fn 9x15bold" its pretty big.`
`21:50.38`	`pillBOX`	`xam: mWell, I'm just guessing, since I have never used debian (am downloading instlalation image now)`
`21:50.40`	`takatumi`	`stouset: I have many more boxes to fix.`
`21:50.56`	`pillBOX`	`forgive my topos, I'm downloading on a 320kbps link, which seriously lags my ssh to my irc client ^_^`
`21:51.01`	`witless`	`so how is it that ubuntu has native gnome file-open dialog and debian-unstble doesn't? i thought ubuntu was derived from unstable`
`21:51.05`	`phogg`	`Stereo: uselessly using cat \| grep gives them a reason to remember and get used to \|`
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`21:51.13`	`witless`	`^^in firefox, that is`
`21:51.13`	`FieldySnuts`	`how should we know this isnt an ubuntu channel`
`21:51.14`	`Stereo`	`phogg: you're saying they want to read and grep files, not more. Then you're saying they need pipes.`
`21:51.24`	`deadcat`	`witless: they have a team that works on it 24/7 like slaves?`
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`21:51.34`	`_rene_`	`witless: because you didn't install mozilla-firefox-gnome-support?`
`21:51.39`	`cadu`	`ubunsux linux :D`
`21:51.40`	`phogg`	`Stereo: I'm saying they need to view and search files, and I want them to expand their horizons.`
`21:51.43`	`pillBOX`	`But I know that, for the most part, PATHs are dangerous in cron because you can do inadvertant things, or somebody can poison your job by putting something else in a path before yours`
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`21:51.54`	`stouset`	`Stereo: apt-cache search code2000 shows nothing`
`21:52.28`	`brlancer`	`how do you find out what signals a process accepts?`
`21:52.36`	`Stereo`	`there's ls \| grep`
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`21:52.49`	`pillBOX`	`brlancer: trial and error?`
`21:52.57`	`witless`	`_rene_: i did install it`
`21:53.02`	`_rene_`	`witless: ubuntu could include it in their main pkg (I think either that is done or -gnome-support is automatically installed) since they have gnome as default anyway, but debian can't without having gnome deps for people not needing/wanting them...`
`21:53.03`	`stouset`	`Stereo: or ls \| xargs grep :-)`
`21:53.04`	`phogg`	`Stereo: so there is, and I also use that example when appropriate`
`21:53.06`	`_rene_`	`witless: hmm`
`21:53.10`	`chipdirt`	`help with dpkg-install kernel-package: should it take 4 hours??`
`21:53.19`	`_rene_`	`witless: no idea. ubuntu is based on debian but does also shitty things, so...`
`21:53.26`	`deadcat`	`chipdirt: depends on your cpu speed`
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`21:53.35`	`_rene_`	`based on doesn't mean is and doesn't mean "does sane things"`
`21:53.37`	`Stereo`	`or ls \| wc or all that sort of stuff`
`21:53.38`	`brlancer`	`pillBOX: I've used something that would list each signal and how the proc reacted, but I'm completely blanking on it`
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`21:53.49`	`witless`	`i'll ask in ubuntu`
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`21:54.01`	`chipdirt`	`deadcat: 133 MHx pentium 1 MMx, it took about 15 minutes to untar 2.4.27`
`21:54.14`	`Flimzy`	`What is MHx?`
`21:54.18`	`mxn`	`Hi. I've got a FAT32 disk which can be read by all users, but apparently only written by root (trying to chown anything to my user gives "operation not permitted"). Any ideas?`
`21:54.27`	`deadcat`	`chipdirt: 4hr seems right. its a p1 (=`
`21:54.32`	`chipdirt`	`MHz, jeez gimme a break`
`21:54.32`	`Flimzy`	`mxn: You can't chown on fat.`
`21:54.41`	`Flimzy`	`mxn: fat has no concept of ownership`
`21:54.56`	`mxn`	`Flimzy: Makes sense. So I'd need to tell fstab to mount as user?`
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`21:55.02`	`Flimzy`	`mxn: Yeah`
`21:55.11`	`markybob`	`!vfatrw`
`21:55.11`	`Flimzy`	`mxn: Or with different perms (that allow everyone to write)`
`21:55.11`	`dpkg`	`To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS.`
`21:55.11`	`mxn`	`It is set to user, but I mounted as root. BOH.`
`21:55.22`	`deadcat`	`!boh`
`21:55.39`	`mxn`	`:-)`
`21:55.50`	`cadu`	`!duh`
`21:55.50`	`dpkg`	`methinks duh is an exclamation showing absence of common knowledge`
`21:55.53`	`mxn`	`Second question: is it easy/safe to convert a FAT32 disk to ext3/Reiser?`
`21:56.08`	`Flimzy`	`Are there any good vector based graphics editors available in Debian?`
`21:56.12`	`cadu`	`mxn: "cp /fat /newlinux"`
`21:56.13`	`chimaera`	`pillBOX: it was the <lf>, not the full path..`
`21:56.14`	`deadcat`	`mxn: easy as cp`
`21:56.19`	`markybob`	`mxn, copy the stuff to a diff partition then make an ext3 partition over the vfat and copy it over`
`21:56.20`	`Flimzy`	`I've never even used a bad one, mind you... I'm trying to learn something new. heh`
`21:56.21`	`pillBOX`	`chimaera: Sue me`
`21:56.29`	`Jims`	`!foo`
`21:56.29`	`dpkg`	`from memory, foo is bar`
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`21:56.38`	`deadcat`	`Flimzy: apt-cache search`
`21:56.43`	`Flimzy`	`markybob,mxn: That's exactly what I did today with my 200gb HD...`
`21:56.48`	`cadu`	`where this foo,bar thing started ?`
`21:56.55`	`Flimzy`	`deadcat: That's great, but apt-cache doesn't have any system for ranking software's usefulness`
`21:57.09`	`mxn`	`I'm not sure I've got the space to copy/convert. :-/ I take it straight-up conversions won't be happy?`
`21:57.21`	`Flimzy`	`mxn: it's not possible`
`21:57.21`	`jethro`	`Flimzy: file a bug and request such a thing ;)`
`21:57.26`	`mxn`	`Fair enough`
`21:57.27`	`Flimzy`	`jethro: hehe`
`21:57.28`	`pillBOX`	`degenerated from fubar. It was a handy non-sensical two-part phrase that people recognize as nonsense.`
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`21:57.39`	`takatumi`	`Flimzy: popcon.debian.org`
`21:57.49`	`cadu`	`meaning pure nonsensism nonsense ?`
`21:57.50`	`mxn`	`Metasyntactic variables!`
`21:57.57`	`chipdirt`	`pillBOX: were you there back in the day?`
`21:57.58`	`Jims`	`urbandictionary.com has a few entries`
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`21:58.01`	`Flimzy`	`mxn: I copied ~100gb of my 120gb to my USB HD, my 80gb partion on another drive, my laptop, and a 6gb drive. Had to burn the rest to 3 DVD-RWs to make the conversion`
`21:58.03`	`pillBOX`	`chipdirt: No.`
`21:58.04`	`S4nD3r_`	`How do I discover the IP number from a MSN friend? Im using GAIM. Is it possible?`
`21:58.19`	`cadu`	`S4nD3r_: apt-get install iptraf`
`21:58.20`	`pillBOX`	`S4nD3r_: type a message to him and ask him ^_^`
`21:58.32`	`cadu`	`S4nD3r_: <friend> tell me your ip !`
`21:58.40`	`Flimzy`	`S4nD3r_: I don't believe you can.`
`21:58.45`	`chipdirt`	`pillBOX: of punchcards and frame-mains?`
`21:58.49`	`cadu`	`with iptraf he can`
`21:58.50`	`mxn`	`Flimzy: Guess this is just a kick in the arse to back stuff up, finally.`
`21:58.51`	`pillBOX`	`Unless there's some sort of direct connection.`
`21:58.52`	`phogg`	`S4nD3r_: if you connect directly, yes. Otherwise, maybe not. You both go through MSN servers which probably mask the destination IPs.`
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`21:58.55`	`Flimzy`	`S4nD3r_: I believe MSN traffic goes thru the server.. so you'll only get the IP of the server`
`21:58.55`	`pillBOX`	`chipdirt: No.`
`21:58.59`	`Flimzy`	`cadu: I don't believe so.`
`21:59.11`	`S4nD3r_`	`thanks`
`21:59.13`	`cadu`	`if he does some direct connection like filesharing , it'll work`
`21:59.14`	`pillBOX`	`Does MSN offer direct-links between peers?`
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`21:59.21`	`Flimzy`	`cadu: Yeah, that would work.`
`21:59.26`	`cadu`	`pillBOX: well dunno probably no , msn is shitty :D`
`21:59.26`	`mxn`	`Lucky I just bought all those DVD+R. :-)`
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`21:59.34`	`cadu`	`pillBOX: only for camera/sound/files`
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`21:59.55`	`Flimzy`	`pillBOX: AFAIK, only with things like file transfers and webcam/voice chats`
`21:59.59`	`pillBOX`	`Transfer a file ans watch netstat`
`22:00.02`	`mxn`	`Flimzy,all: Cheers for help. I'm orf fer now. Tara.`
`22:00.02`	`pillBOX`	`Or tcpdump`
`22:00.04`	`chimaera`	`pillBOX: just wanted to let you know.. no offense.`
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`22:00.07`	`cadu`	`anyone knows if there's some effort to support webcamming in MSN on linux ?`
`22:00.13`	`pillBOX`	`or ethereal, or whatever.`
`22:00.20`	`S4nD3r_`	`Is there any book called Hackers University????`
`22:00.22`	`cadu`	`maybe being able to watch other people's cameras from MSN ?`
`22:00.26`	`petemc`	`cadu: yeah, it was on slashdot yesterday`
`22:00.27`	`\bin\bash`	`hello everybody`
`22:00.35`	`cadu`	`petemc: hmmmmmmmm`
`22:00.37`	`pillBOX`	`chimaera: Word.`
`22:00.37`	`cadu`	`lemme search`
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`22:00.45`	`petemc`	`libmimic`
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`22:01.14`	`linuxfreck`	`\bin\bash: hi, note that your nick makes you look like a noob :p`
`22:01.26`	`deadcat`	`linuxfreck: because he IS (=`
`22:01.27`	`darxeth`	`whats the terminal command to switch between languages?`
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`22:01.32`	`Jims`	`that and 'root'`
`22:01.35`	`pillBOX`	`\bin\bash? what are we using cygwin now?`
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`22:01.40`	`deadcat`	`Jims: HHAHAHA`
`22:01.58`	`petemc`	`/bin/sh: line 1: (-: command not found`
`22:02.09`	`ludi`	`Printing is not working. I can add a printer, but it doesn't print a test page. It says "NT_STATUS_DENIED". Every other XP workstation can print fine to the printer.`
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`22:02.29`	`gds`	`hi everyone`
`22:02.30`	`gaba`	`petemc: put whereis sh`
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`22:02.40`	`amorphix`	`hi guys`
`22:02.48`	`petemc`	`gaba: thanks..`
`22:02.53`	`carrett`	`\bin\bash: hey. don't take the bs too seriously`
`22:02.56`	`amorphix`	`is there a program to configure network in Debian?`
`22:03.04`	`amorphix`	`*networking`
`22:03.12`	`deadcat`	`carrett: i think you scared him off.`
`22:03.36`	`ludi`	`Is anyone here actually able to print to a SAMBA printer using CUPS with Debian Sarge?`
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`22:03.47`	`gds`	`I have a big problem with suspend... I moved swap partition over and now It don't boot, if I don't add noresume`
`22:03.48`	`carrett`	`deadcat: yeah, mimes scare me too.`
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`22:04.07`	`covux`	`amorphix: etherconf`
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`22:04.30`	`darxeth`	`i've added some languages in the dpkg-reconfigure locales, such as ar_UTF and il ... but how can i switch to these languages? is'nt there any special feature like the language bar in windows that can ease on my language swtching?`
`22:04.54`	`darxeth`	`ludi: join #samba , you'll get alot of help form there`
`22:05.07`	`deadcat`	`darxeth: i think you have to logout and come back.`
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`22:05.20`	`amorphix`	`covux: thank you sir`
`22:05.48`	`darxeth`	`ludi: i had alot of problems with samba, but maybe i know your problem, maybe you should accept connections from root user to be able to print from the xp`
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`22:06.20`	`darxeth`	`deadcat: why ?`
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`22:07.00`	`deadcat`	`que?`
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`22:07.17`	`darxeth`	`deadcat: no a phrase. of course a question`
`22:07.28`	`masf`	`hi everybody`
`22:08.07`	`ludi`	`darxeth: The printer is being shared from an XP box. I'm trying to print to it using SAMBA + Cups on my linux box. It says "NT_STATUS_DENIED" even though the XP box has no password.`
`22:08.52`	`darxeth`	`ludi: xp= the server, and the linux box is the client, right?`
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`22:09.14`	`ludi`	`darxeth: yes`
`22:09.28`	`ludi`	`and all other xp clients on the network can print to this xp server just fine`
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`22:10.02`	`wrs`	`Hi all`
`22:10.17`	`Rawplayer`	`HI`
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`22:10.38`	`darxeth`	`ludi: of course, microsoft works well with itself, we're lucky to have samba masquerading with a WINS server function but the proccess wont go easy, samba is very moody`
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`22:11.10`	`wrs`	`Does anyone know what happend with the knotes package? It's suddenly gone although it's listed as being available in a 3.3.2 version`
`22:11.17`	`ludi`	`darxeth: I had it working the past, but I've since reinstalled Debian and now it doesn't work. I think I have all the necessary packages installed. I can ADD the printer just fine, but I can't print to it.`
`22:11.19`	`Chrissy2k5`	`hmm`
`22:11.21`	`xuser`	`deadcat: Where do i see the fonts string?`
`22:11.28`	`Chrissy2k5`	`how can i ftp get a whole directory ?�`
`22:11.36`	`Chrissy2k5`	`and sub directories`
`22:12.01`	`deadcat`	`xuser: you mean a list of fonts?`
`22:12.13`	`deadcat`	`Chrissy2k5: use scp -r`
`22:12.19`	`linuxfreck`	`Chrissy2k5: wget, ncftp and lftp have recursive downloading options`
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`22:12.32`	`pillBOX`	`mget`
`22:12.37`	`darxeth`	`ludi: if you got your linux box as the client side, then for sure you apt-get installed the samba-client. you can remember to read the man smbclient and maybe i suggest that you play arround with the LMHOSTS file in windows, plus HOSTS.`
`22:12.45`	`xuser`	`deadcat: yeah`
`22:12.54`	`deadcat`	`xuser: xlsfonts`
`22:12.55`	`ludi`	`darxeth: I have samba-client installed...`
`22:13.04`	`Chrissy2k5`	`ok thanks`
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`22:15.57`	`amorphix`	`what would my "broadcast address" be if i'm configuring networking for a LAN with IP address 192.168.0.6 and submask 255.255.255.0?`
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`22:16.08`	`amorphix`	`ive never seen this before`
`22:16.42`	`deadcat`	`192.168.0.255`
`22:16.53`	`ludi`	`amorphix: by default it should be 192.168.0.255 (I believe)`
`22:17.12`	`amorphix`	`thanks ludi`
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`22:17.53`	`pillBOX`	`specifying broadcast is redundant if you already specified IP and subnet mask.`
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`22:18.27`	`ethics`	`morning all 8)`
`22:19.00`	`ludi`	`Ready: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED`
`22:19.09`	`ludi`	`:(`
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`22:20.01`	`ethics`	`ludi: ahh yeah i hate that message.......it means your \| \| this close to making it work`
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`22:20.32`	`ludi`	`Why can't I connect to the printer? The xp box that is sharing the printer has no password...`
`22:20.39`	`ludi`	`Just "Administrator" with no password`
`22:20.47`	`pillBOX`	`Really now...`
`22:20.48`	`ludi`	`and all the other xp boxes on the network can print to it just fine`
`22:20.50`	`pillBOX`	`^_^`
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`22:20.59`	`zack`	`ludi: what's the box's IP? ;)`
`22:21.09`	`ludi`	`it's behind a NAT Router, good luck`
`22:21.29`	`pillBOX`	`Too bad, I could always use another seti node`
`22:21.33`	`zack`	`i assumed so. still... i guess you really trust your LAN`
`22:21.55`	`ludi`	`not my LAN.....I'm the only linux user here`
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`22:22.18`	`ludi`	`and it's frustrating that I can't get someone so simple as printing to work`
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`22:22.36`	`pillBOX`	`Get a network printer.`
`22:22.51`	`pillBOX`	`My HP LJ4 with jetdirect works wonderfully with all of my machines.`
`22:22.53`	`ludi`	`you gonna pay for it?`
`22:22.55`	`zack`	`printing is not simple, unfortunately.`
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`22:23.07`	`pillBOX`	`I got my HP LJ4 with jetdirect for $55`
`22:23.12`	`pillBOX`	`The toner costs more than that!`
`22:23.18`	`cadu`	`anyone knows sumthing bout libmimic ?`
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`22:24.16`	`ludi`	`anyone have ideas on why I'm getting the NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED error?`
`22:24.33`	`deadcat`	`ludi: try #samba`
`22:24.34`	`pillBOX`	`Isn't that what it gives you when you issue a bad Username?`
`22:24.40`	`thingfish`	`All inkjet printers are, is vehicles for selling ink.`
`22:24.50`	`pillBOX`	`Yeah, inkjets are worthless.`
`22:24.56`	`pillBOX`	`I like those lexmark printers.`
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`22:25.05`	`pillBOX`	`You can buy a new printer for less than buying a new ink cartridge.`
`22:25.17`	`thingfish`	`Oh I know.`
`22:25.30`	`thingfish`	`It's obscene, really.`
`22:25.40`	`cadu`	`laser printers rock but the toners are real expensive :/`
`22:25.49`	`ludi`	`well, I'm not gonna be the one who goes to the boss saying that we need to buy something new :)`
`22:25.53`	`pillBOX`	`I had a friend who bought about 4 lexmarks. A new one whenever it ran out of ink.`
`22:25.53`	`thingfish`	`yep`
`22:25.55`	`zack`	`any ops here? i have a topic correction.`
`22:25.56`	`cadu`	`not-to-mention uberexpensive color laserprinters ;/`
`22:25.58`	`pillBOX`	`sold the old ones on ebay`
`22:25.58`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`22:26.05`	`pillBOX`	`He got tired of the hassle though`
`22:26.09`	`phogg`	`If you want a printer, grit your teeth and shell out for a laser printer. A little more expensive to start, but you'll be glad later.`
`22:26.15`	`pillBOX`	`cadu: Toner is cheaper per page than ink`
`22:26.26`	`cadu`	`phogg: color laserprinter is a theft`
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`22:26.46`	`zack`	`how much are color lasers lately?`
`22:26.59`	`cadu`	`good ones, awwwwwwwww`
`22:27.04`	`cadu`	`real expensive`
`22:27.05`	`cadu`	`:-)`
`22:27.08`	`cafuego`	`The crap quality ones are quite cheap.`
`22:27.11`	`pillBOX`	`Expensive.`
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`22:27.16`	`zack`	`define 'crap quality'`
`22:27.20`	`phogg`	`Where I work we are constantly replacing a neverending steam of broken newish inkjets. Meanwhile, 5 and 10 year old lasers chug away for the price of toner.`
`22:27.20`	Azra`el	`Hello! =)`
`22:27.25`	`pillBOX`	`I used to fix copiers/printers for a living.`
`22:27.28`	`pillBOX`	`Expensive ones.`
`22:27.31`	`cafuego`	`zack: The one I saw in the shop for AU$500-ish`
`22:27.41`	`pillBOX`	`They're not worth it unless you do a LOT of volume.`
`22:27.44`	`cadu`	`uuuuush`
`22:27.45`	Azra`el	`i'm trying to do debian-PPC anyone have any experiance with it?`
`22:27.53`	`cadu`	Azra`el: i did...what machine ?
`22:27.55`	`cafuego`	Azra`el: yes
`22:27.59`	`phogg`	Azra`el: I installed potato once, so no
`22:28.01`	`jjm`	`question: i have output from cat /proc/scsi/scsi that tells me I have an attached scsi device (which I do) -- which /dev/xxxx do I use to access my device?`
`22:28.01`	Azra`el	`box won't boot from the net-install CD,`
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`22:28.05`	`zack`	`cafuego: being ignorant of how much AU$1 costs here, that sounds like a lot`
`22:28.09`	`Chrissy2k5`	`hmm should this work if i want to copy the Dragonfly folder to /var/www/`
`22:28.11`	`Chrissy2k5`	`scp -rP 222 chris@192.168.1.2:C:\Documents and Settings\CHRIS\My Docments\Dragonfly9.0.3.0\public_html\ \var\www`
`22:28.12`	Azra`el	`do i need to light a candle or something?`
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`22:28.15`	`pillBOX`	`4 toners, 4 developers. It's a hassle.`
`22:28.25`	Azra`el	`=)`
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`22:28.49`	Azra`el	`a beige g3`
`22:28.54`	Azra`el	`@ cadu`
`22:29.30`	`zack`	`Chrissy2k5: no, it shouldn't.`
`22:29.31`	`cadu`	Azra`el: i did the debianinstaller boot via that tool that i forgot the name , inside Mac OS 8.6
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`22:29.57`	`Chrissy2k5`	`Zack- Oh .. how would i make it work then , please`
`22:30.04`	Azra`el	`cadu: this needs to boot from cd or floppy, i have no mac keyboard, so i have to use a usb keyboard / mouse, which os 9.2 (what's on the box) won't do`
`22:30.10`	`zack`	`Chrissy2k5: you need to replace ' ' with '\ ' and '\var\www' with '/var/www'`
`22:30.15`	`cafuego`	Azra`el: That's an OldWorld mac, you'll need a small macOS partition (running MacOS) and BootX
`22:30.25`	`zack`	`Chrissy2k5: it should work then, unless i'm missing something`
`22:30.38`	`Chrissy2k5`	`Oh Cool i will try it`
`22:30.45`	Azra`el	`ew.`
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`22:31.06`	`cafuego`	Azra`el: Or tyou could try your luck with quik.
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`22:31.37`	`cadu`	Azra`el: hmmmm, your os9.2 doesn't recognizes the usb keyboard ?
`22:31.48`	`i3dmaster`	`ch #ubuntu`
`22:31.52`	Azra`el	`cadu, nope. it's a PCI usb card`
`22:31.57`	`cadu`	Azra`el: can't help ya...oldwords can't boot CDs ;/
`22:32.04`	`cadu`	Azra`el: pci usb card , even worse :-)
`22:32.11`	`Opiated`	`I have two monitors, and running debian sarge. I am using the onboard i810 gfx chip on the motherboard, and there is only one monitor output on the back of the PC. I want to hook up both monitors, and I searched on google, but I can't find out what additional hardware is required to make this configuration work`
`22:32.12`	`Chrissy2k5`	`zack- DocmentsDragonfly9.0.3.0public_html /var/www/: no such file or directory`
`22:32.13`	Azra`el	`yeah, i know the odds are against me`
`22:32.15`	`cadu`	Azra`el: get a cheap/lend some ADB keyboard
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`22:32.27`	`covux`	`covux: u also should wait till full moon. helped me ;-)`
`22:32.30`	`FieldySnuts`	`@u`
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`22:32.32`	`ravenbird`	`Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`22:32.33`	Azra`el	`cadu, yeah, i'm trying.`
`22:32.36`	`amahbod_`	`hello`
`22:32.40`	`hermitkid`	`Opiated: you need another video card...`
`22:32.44`	`amahbod_`	`is it possible to copy a data-dvd using k3b?`
`22:32.46`	`cadu`	Azra`el: then use that tool to boot a kernel with the ramdisk pointing to the installer....it's all on the debian-ppc cd...the tool is included too..
`22:32.47`	`Opiated`	`oh`
`22:32.50`	`Opiated`	`thats it?`
`22:32.50`	`FieldySnuts`	`can somebody please remove that URL from the u factoid? userfriendly forces you to look at an ad for 30 seconds now.`
`22:33.09`	`cadu`	Azra`el: i only forgot the name....but really, you can't advance without an ADB keyb ;/ oldworlds are SHITTY on this matter of booting .....
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`22:33.17`	Azra`el	`cadu: '`
`22:33.26`	`Opiated`	`what drivers would I use for a wireless keyboard and mouse combo under debian?`
`22:33.31`	`hermitkid`	`Opiated: http://www.interparse.com/debianmultihead/`
`22:33.42`	Azra`el	`cadu: i'm told elsewhere, that it can be set to boot from the CD, and will if the hd wasn't bootable`
`22:33.58`	`green_earz`	`amahbod_: look at using dd command`
`22:34.00`	`Opiated`	`I don't have the mouse/key yet, but I want to purchase wireless. are they supported on linux/debian?`
`22:34.22`	`cafuego`	`Opiated: They're probably bog-standard usb devices.`
`22:34.35`	`zack`	`Chrissy2k5: i'm not sure what would cause that, i haven't used ssh to contact a windows host. sorry.`
`22:34.36`	`hermitkid`	`Opiated: the wireless mouse and keyboard are going to plug into the same ports as a regular mouse and keyboard`
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`22:34.48`	`zack`	`Opiated: i have a set, and it works. they're fairly standard.`
`22:35.02`	`Opiated`	`so the drives I should pick like ImPS/2`
`22:35.05`	`Opiated`	`?`
`22:35.12`	`Opiated`	`in the configs`
`22:35.26`	`Opiated`	`well off to the computer shop i go`
`22:35.26`	`jamuraa`	`I installed exim4, but none of my mail is getting sent off the machine (it accepts mail file, and delivers locally fine). Has anyone observed this problem?`
`22:35.27`	`Opiated`	`wish me luck`
`22:35.28`	`Opiated`	`:)`
`22:35.40`	`amahbod_`	`green_earz, is there any way to do it from within k3b though?`
`22:36.00`	`bimmerd00d`	`what are the dependencies for asterisk?`
`22:36.13`	`cafuego`	`bimmerd00d: apt-cache show asterisk`
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`22:36.25`	`amahbod_`	`green_earz, is there any way to do it from within k3b though?`
`22:36.30`	`hermitkid`	`Opiated: this may also be helpful for the multi monitor setup http://www.linuxlookup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=printpage&artid=13`
`22:37.04`	`green_earz`	`amahbod_: i not think so, if there was i would have use it, i have used dd and dvdbackup`
`22:37.57`	`ludi`	`NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED`
`22:38.06`	`cadu`	`argh`
`22:38.14`	`cadu`	`my mozilla-firefox doesn't wanna work ;/`
`22:38.27`	`cadu`	`XDM Auth key matches an existing client`
`22:38.32`	`cadu`	`what is this ?`
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`22:40.02`	`green_earz`	`amahbod_: dd if=/dev/hdX of=/path/file-name.iso X as in your dvd drive`
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`22:42.57`	`masf`	`i can't install my TV card in debian (Xpert TV - PVR 878), somebody can help me???`
`22:43.38`	`resiak`	`masf: Could you be any more informative as to what the problem is? I won't personally be able to help, but...`
`22:43.41`	Azra`el	`masf, what isn't working?`
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`22:44.52`	`masf`	`i start tvtime and i can view nothing`
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`22:45.03`	`stew`	`masf: did you load a driver for it?`
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`22:45.51`	`masf`	`i have loaded the module bttv for bt878`
`22:45.58`	`masf`	`but it don't work`
`22:46.09`	`stew`	`masf: does it just sit there on the couch?`
`22:46.24`	`stew`	`what happens when you load bttv?`
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`22:47.12`	`darkphoenix`	`im reading in the faq and was told the other day that pppoe is not supported in the netinstall cd but in the faq it says i can run pppoeconf by switching to VT2 how do i do this and how to i get back to the first boot conf`
`22:47.18`	`bimmerd00d`	`can someone help me setup a VNC server?`
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`22:47.39`	`Chrissy2k5`	`zack- DocmentsDragonfly9.0.3.0public_html /var/www/: no such file or directory`
`22:47.51`	`minimec`	`masf: is the card in TV mode?`
`22:47.55`	`masf`	`the module is good loaded`
`22:48.12`	`darkphoenix`	`can anyone help me?`
`22:48.13`	`masf`	`the card is in tv mode`
`22:48.50`	`stew`	`darkphoenix: alt-f2 to switch to vt2, alt-f1 to switch back`
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`22:49.08`	`masf`	`i execute lsmod y bttv is using`
`22:49.10`	`minimec`	`masf: Hmmm.... ok. Is vbi activated?`
`22:49.11`	`stew`	`bimmerd00d: apt-get install vncserver`
`22:49.32`	`masf`	`how can i activate vbi?`
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`22:50.06`	`bimmerd00d`	`stew: how do i configure it once i've installed it`
`22:50.41`	`minimec`	`masf: I had a problem once. I had to deactivate it :-) have a look in the tvtime menu, or try zapping as tv software.`
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`22:50.53`	`Peaker`	`takatumi: You still here? I was away for a while`
`22:51.33`	`stew`	`bimmerd00d: by editing /etc/vnc.conf`
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`22:53.02`	`Peaker`	`takatumi: About the package last used, I'd like a "used" package to be defined as one of its files is explicitly executed or read by a set of predefined programs (ldd for dynamic linkage, text editors/viewers, "cat", etc etc)`
`22:53.08`	`masf`	`i don't find the vbi option in tvtime`
`22:53.24`	`bimmerd00d`	`stew: i typed vncserver at the command prompt, entered the password as it asked me to, then said the service was started. I can't connect to it from another machine.`
`22:53.46`	`masf`	`i'm scanning the channels but...nothing`
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`22:54.04`	`joey_`	`bimmerd00d, can you connect to it from the local machine? maybe that port is firewalled`
`22:54.10`	`to_`	`hey, in bash, how to grab the working directory where the script is executed?..`
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`22:54.22`	`bimmerd00d`	`i can connect to the windows machines with VNC`
`22:54.26`	`joey_`	$PWD or `pwd` is working directory
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`22:55.01`	`Shamilton0360`	`anyone know a good Jabber server? I can't seem to find one with people on it.`
`22:55.05`	`minimec`	`masf: I use zapping as tv software. there you have the option in the menu. apt-get install zapping.`
`22:55.07`	`green_earz`	`masf: or xawtv`
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`22:55.08`	`stew`	`bimmerd00d: what command are you typing on the client to connect?`
`22:55.13`	`Shamilton0360`	`just learning to use jabber`
`22:55.17`	`minimec`	`:-)`
`22:55.18`	`stew`	`bimmerd00d: should be sometihng like xvncviewer othermachine:1`
`22:55.20`	`masf`	`ok`
`22:55.22`	`resiak`	`Shamilton0360: You don't have to be on the same server as them.`
`22:55.30`	`masf`	`i'm going to intall zapping`
`22:55.34`	`masf`	`and xawtv`
`22:55.40`	`cafuego`	`john6000: If debian is GPL it's hardly nicking.`
`22:55.40`	`bimmerd00d`	`i'm trying to read a debian machine from a windows machine`
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`22:55.46`	`bimmerd00d`	`using tightvnc on the windows box`
`22:55.47`	`Shamilton0360`	`ok, anyone know where I can find people on jabber? ;-)`
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`22:55.51`	`resiak`	`Shamilton0360: jabber.org, jabber.org.uk, etc...`
`22:55.53`	`minimec`	`ok`
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`22:56.03`	`atrus`	`Shamilton0360: jabber's just like email. I (atrus@rifetech.com) can talk to anybody (you@whater-server-your-on.net) without any problem`
`22:56.04`	`resiak`	`Shamilton0360: You ask your friends if they have Jabber accounts, and make them get them if they don't.`
`22:56.14`	`Lithium-`	`Hey anyone know how i can end an expect script and then continue to put commands in`
`22:56.28`	`green_earz`	`masf: i found xawtv the best of the two zapping`
`22:56.42`	`Lithium-`	`Right now my expect script logs me into a server and does a few things, but then when it ends i cant continue it`
`22:56.50`	`stew`	`bimmerd00d: i don't know anything about tightvnc, but your vnc server is probably running on port 5901`
`22:56.51`	`resiak`	`Shamilton0360: Alternatively, you find an IRC channel full of geeks who want cYbAr and ask them for their Jabber IDs. If you ask here for ours, we won't give you them, and if you ask cYbArers who aren't geeks, they won't have Jabber ;)`
`22:56.55`	`to_`	`joey_: yes i know but if i am in /home/toto and i execute ./sub-folder/script.sh from /home/toto , the pwd is /home/toto and that i want is /home/toto/sub-folder..u know?..`
`22:56.59`	`takatumi`	`Peaker: I don't think that's posible.`
`22:57.04`	`Shamilton0360`	`lol I don't know anyone quite as geeky as myself to tell to get jabber.`
`22:57.21`	`aquarius`	`How can I use shell redirection in an "up" command in /etc/network/interfaces? 'up echo foo > /tmp/bar' throws "No such file or directory" when I ifup the interface.`
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`22:57.29`	`bimmerd00d`	`stew: tried to connect to that port, and it still didn't work`
`22:57.30`	`resiak`	`Shamilton0360: They needn't be geeky. I have .. well .. one non-geek and one geek on mine.`
`22:57.42`	`toresbe`	`is there a way to get apt-get to limit the rate of wgets?`
`22:57.48`	`daft`	`is there a reboot option in grub like -R in lilo`
`22:57.52`	`cafuego`	`LIES!!!`
`22:58.44`	`stew`	`bimmerd00d: can you telnet to that port, check that its the right port in the vnc logs`
`22:58.56`	`green_earz`	`toresbe: check out trickle > trickle -d 20 apt-get`
`22:59.30`	`bimmerd00d`	`stew: port 5902`
`22:59.31`	`green_earz`	`toresbe: or it would be trickle -d 20 wget url`
`22:59.52`	`toresbe`	`green_earz: I see... thanks`
`22:59.56`	`stew`	`bimmerd00d: well can you connect to that port via vnc? can you telnet to it?`
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`23:00.03`	`Shamilton0360`	`lol let me rephase that, most of the people I know: know how to press the power button and click the e symbol to get to the web thingy`
`23:00.04`	`bimmerd00d`	`cannot telnet to it`
`23:00.11`	`[2D2D]Boneless`	`Anyone here who successfully upgraded KDE to 3.4 from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org?`
`23:00.13`	`green_earz`	`toresbe: apt-get install trickle`
`23:00.21`	`stew`	`bimmerd00d: can you telnet to it from the machine you started it on?`
`23:00.33`	`toresbe`	`green_earz: done :) - - dude, that's ingenious!`
`23:00.35`	`masf`	`nothing`
`23:00.41`	`toresbe`	`green_earz: thanks for the tip!`
`23:00.42`	`masf`	`it don't work`
`23:00.46`	`green_earz`	`np`
`23:00.46`	`resiak`	`!don't work`
`23:00.46`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.`
`23:01.03`	`bimmerd00d`	`stew: how do you specify a port in telnet, just to make sure i'm doing it right`
`23:01.14`	`stew`	`bimmerd00d: telnet localhost 5902`
`23:01.15`	`cafuego`	`bimmerd00d: telnet host port`
`23:01.23`	`resiak`	`Shamilton0360: The tactic I use is to find people who are frustrated with the real MSN/AIM client, switch them to Gaim/Adium (Windows/OS X) and then tell them to get Jabber, because it's cool and new.`
`23:01.32`	`minimec`	`apt-get masf Hmmm.. Sorry. I have no other idea.`
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`23:01.37`	`cafuego`	`resiak: jabber is not new`
`23:01.44`	`minimec`	`masf Hmmm.. Sorry. I have no other idea.`
`23:01.45`	`green_earz`	`toresbe: and do not forget to bittorent them free things in live .avi`
`23:01.46`	`bimmerd00d`	`stew: yes i can telnet to it from the local machine`
`23:02.05`	`Shamilton0360`	`cafuego: most people would think it is new though`
`23:02.08`	`Peaker`	`takatumi: Its not possible _yet_ :)`
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`23:02.12`	`resiak`	`cafuego: They don't know that ;)`
`23:02.13`	`stew`	`bimmerd00d: then you have a firewall in the way`
`23:02.14`	`bimmerd00d`	`ahhh telnet to it from the other windows machine works that way`
`23:02.17`	`cafuego`	`Shamilton0360: That still doesn't mean it IS new.`
`23:02.23`	`takatumi`	`Peaker: true :)`
`23:02.24`	`toresbe`	`green_earz: huh?`
`23:02.29`	`toresbe`	`green_earz: confuseage`
`23:02.34`	`stew`	`bimmerd00d: if you can telnet to it remotely then you have a problem with tightvnc`
`23:02.41`	`gravity`	`cafuego: Same`
`23:02.46`	`Peaker`	`takatumi: It could be possible with a kernel module hack maybe :) I think a major step forward could be to simply get dpkg/apt to not mess with file times`
`23:02.47`	`gravity`	`Who the hell uses jabber?`
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`23:02.58`	`masf`	`ok`
`23:03.00`	`masf`	`thanks`
`23:03.00`	`cafuego`	`gravity: resiak, but only coz he thinks it's new`
`23:03.00`	`Peaker`	`takatumi: Already most atimes would represent true usage of packages`
`23:03.02`	`bimmerd00d`	`stew: weird, it works fine connecting to other machine (windows)`
`23:03.05`	`gravity`	`Ha!`
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`23:03.15`	`Peaker`	`takatumi: Things like updatedb/etc need to not change the times too`
`23:03.31`	`resiak`	`cafuego: No, resiak uses it because he thinks that it's a better network in theory, and if no-one uses it it'll never catch on by definition.`
`23:03.42`	`cafuego`	`jabber might have wortked, has it been useful BEFORE the markey got saturated by icq/msn/yahoo`
`23:03.57`	`ndee`	`hi there, how can I schedule the security updates for my debian installation?`
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`23:04.05`	`Peaker`	`in what way is Jabber better?`
`23:04.07`	`cafuego`	`resiak: Yeah, one word: betamax.`
`23:04.11`	`Shamilton0360`	`maybe I should just sign up for an ICQ or MSN account`
`23:04.26`	`Peaker`	`Shamilton0360: Phhh... you'll get a 12-digit account number :)`
`23:04.27`	`resiak`	`cafuego: Yeah, one word: Linux ;)`
`23:04.31`	`green_earz`	`toresbe: do you use bittornado-gui if not check it out apt-cache show bittornado-gui`
`23:04.48`	`Shamilton0360`	`don't really chat, at least not for a couple of years, but I thought I try it out`
`23:04.56`	`resiak`	`green_earz: What exactly are you trying to get toresbe to do?`
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`23:05.00`	`toresbe`	`green_earz: uh... I don't get bittorrent on this connection....`
`23:05.04`	`stew`	`green_earz: i think all of toresbe's machines are too old to use a gui :)`
`23:05.10`	`cafuego`	`on jabber you can only chat with your echo.. ;-)`
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`23:05.13`	`Shamilton0360`	`basically married now, so it gets kind of boring at night with nothing to do`
`23:05.16`	`green_earz`	`toresbe: just say ok`
`23:05.21`	`atrus`	`Peaker: open as in email. anybody can run a server, different people/companies/organizations/isps can run servers on software from different developers/companies and still talk to each other successfully`
`23:05.22`	`toresbe`	`stew: Actually, I have purchased a new calculating machine!`
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`23:05.35`	`green_earz`	`toresbe: sorry just saying`
`23:05.37`	`pillBOX`	`jabber is like multiplayer /dev/null`
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`23:05.40`	`Shamilton0360`	`teresbe: is it an abacus`
`23:05.42`	`stew`	`toresbe: analytical engine?`
`23:05.43`	`toresbe`	`stew: It features impressive mass storage and even a raster display device!`
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`23:05.48`	`cafuego`	`Shamilton0360: beat your husband until he comes up with stuff.`
`23:05.59`	`toresbe`	`stew: and the size is also impressive, it fits on a desk!`
`23:06.00`	`Shamilton0360`	`Actually it's a wife`
`23:06.17`	`cafuego`	`Shamilton0360: Make you wife beat you until you come up with stuff`
`23:06.18`	`green_earz`	`toresbe: dialup or dsl ?`
`23:06.21`	`stew`	`toresbe: we're all using them in our laps these days`
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`23:06.32`	`resiak`	`stew: Watch your balls if you do that.`
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`23:06.35`	`Shamilton0360`	`cafuego: I do, she doesn't agree`
`23:06.37`	`toresbe`	`and it has a curious x-y positioning device`
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`23:06.41`	`resiak`	`Oops, assumption made....`
`23:06.45`	`stew`	`resiak: when i do that my balls are obscured`
`23:06.46`	`toresbe`	`I think it has been nicknamed a "mouse"`
`23:07.11`	`cafuego`	`Shamilton0360: beat her, then. (with a whip)`
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`23:07.20`	`resiak`	`stew: Then what use is teh intarweb???!!!^W^W^W^W^W^WYou should get an anti-heat pad or whatever.`
`23:07.25`	`Shamilton0360`	`she likes it too much ;-)`
`23:07.34`	`cafuego`	`Shamilton0360: That's the idea...`
`23:07.42`	`pingouin_`	`is there a way to avoid the make menuconfig pick the current kernel symbols ?`
`23:07.46`	`Eclipser`	`security.debian.org is down?`
`23:07.53`	`stew`	`resiak: in the summer i actually use a baking sheet as a heatsink sometimes`
`23:07.54`	`[2D2D]Boneless`	`seems like that Eclipser`
`23:08.02`	`resiak`	`stew: grin`
`23:08.05`	`pillBOX`	`Yes, but the real question is insecurity.debian.org down?`
`23:08.05`	`toresbe`	`cafuego: Women want to feel warm and tender`
`23:08.19`	`cafuego`	`toresbe: pff.`
`23:08.21`	`resiak`	`toresbe: So don't cook them for long.`
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`23:08.30`	`cafuego`	`toresbe: You're not married, are you?`
`23:08.32`	`toresbe`	`cafuego: So beat her with a radiator... She'll be warm.. and tender`
`23:08.35`	`darxeth`	`i got an ssh (port 22 opened), i'm not using this service right now, appearently it starts up automatically but why do i need it? if i dont need it, how can i stop the ssh on my system?`
`23:08.45`	`toresbe`	`;)`
`23:08.54`	`toresbe`	`got it from an evil friend`
`23:09.17`	`[2D2D]Boneless`	`debian.org servers goes down all the time :-o`
`23:09.20`	`resiak`	`darxeth: man update-rc.d`
`23:09.29`	`Shamilton0360`	`well, going to find out how to sign up for ICQ and MSN`
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`23:10.34`	`dondelelcaro`	`[2D2D]Boneless: depends on the machine... for most, it's actually fairly rare.`
`23:10.45`	`cafuego`	`PNEUMATIC DRILL MAN IS BACK!`
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`23:11.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`[2D2D]Boneless: in all but the most atypical cases, it's a matter of hardware failure.`
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`23:11.23`	`amorphix`	`hi guys`
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`23:11.30`	`cafuego`	`dondelelcaro: You mean debian isn't as unstable as it seems? ;-)`
`23:11.33`	`darxeth`	`resiak: thanks, but can you tell me why is it opened in my machine if i didnt start it by myself? maybe cause i'm using samba daemons? and also there's an smtp server opened:`
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`23:11.39`	`darxeth`	`PORT STATE SERVICE`
`23:11.39`	`darxeth`	`22/tcp open ssh`
`23:11.39`	`darxeth`	`25/tcp open smtp`
`23:11.57`	`amorphix`	`I'm having problem with my pcmcia network card setup :-/ should the light come on when the card is in slot even if the module driver isnt installed?`
`23:12.00`	`darxeth`	`resiak: this is from nmap of course`
`23:12.13`	`dondelelcaro`	`cafuego: heh. That, and the fact that we have a few dozen servers and don't hesitate to publicize outages tends to inflate that impression`
`23:12.15`	`joey_`	`darxeth, it is started automatically by the script /etc/init.d/ssh`
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`23:12.32`	`joey_`	`to remove the links that start that script, type "rc-update remove ssh" or something`
`23:12.39`	`amorphix`	`how do u install a driver module for pcmcia card?`
`23:12.47`	`resiak`	`darxeth: Because you have the sshd installed.`
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`23:13.02`	`cafuego`	`amorphix: cardmgr does it for you, as if by magic.`
`23:13.17`	`amorphix`	`oo`
`23:13.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`joey_: you could also just touch /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run`
`23:13.36`	`cafuego`	`amorphix: check 'dmesg' for module info and /var/log/syslog for details.`
`23:13.37`	`resiak`	`darxeth: Like I said, man update-rc.d and remove it. Or indeed to as dondelelcaro says.`
`23:13.50`	`cafuego`	`darxeth: Aleternatively, run 'rcconf'`
`23:14.24`	`resiak`	`Oh so many options!`
`23:14.29`	`amorphix`	`cafuego thanks thats very helpful i think i see the driver loaded`
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`23:16.11`	`lkthomas2`	`hey all`
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`23:16.17`	`lkthomas2`	`anyone using linksys router with linux on it ?`
`23:16.38`	`Lithium-`	`Anyone know how i can end and expect script and continue to interact with it ( logging into a server via ssh )`
`23:16.47`	`taddeus`	`is there any benchmark software to test video card performance under debian ?`
`23:16.50`	`darxeth`	`resiak: i'm reading the update-rc.d ... but i just want to know for what for-example i can use the sshd, or the smtp. i know what they are, but dont know how can i benefiet from their service`
`23:16.54`	`resiak`	`toresbe: glxgears!`
`23:17.01`	`resiak`	`toresbe: Sorry.`
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`23:17.07`	`resiak`	`taddeus: glxgears!`
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`23:17.16`	`tarzeau`	`someone wants to test a game package?`
`23:17.18`	`taddeus`	`thanxs resiak`
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`23:17.47`	`stew`	`darxeth: sshd will let you log into your machine from another machine, like when you aren't sitting in front of it`
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`23:17.52`	`resiak`	`darxeth: man sshd; you could log into your machine remotely and securely with ssh.`
`23:17.56`	`joey_`	`Lithium-, not sure what you need. cat <input> \| ( expect ... ; <next_command> )`
`23:18.06`	`resiak`	`darxeth: You could use your computer as an SMTP server, assuming your MTA is set up right.`
`23:19.01`	`darxeth`	`resiak: you mean i can refere to it remotely as any other smtp server? like for-example, instead of using my isp smtp, i can use my own server (ipadress) as a smtp server?`
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`23:19.42`	`toresbe`	`nopes`
`23:19.42`	`resiak`	`darxeth: _If_ it's set up right, and _if_ you don't have a dynamic IP, and if you do use it, you should require auth over ssl and things like that.`
`23:19.49`	`darxeth`	`stew: thanks for the information, i guess i should turn that one down since i dont need it, thus bearing less with potential remote bugs ;)`
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`23:20.43`	`darxeth`	`resiak: i think i dont have the credential to do that, plus i dont need it, so i'd better shut it down :)`
`23:21.06`	`Lithium-`	`joey_ : im using an expect script to log me into a server`
`23:21.12`	`Lithium-`	`run a couple of commands`
`23:21.15`	`BadMan`	`well, I almost wasted $100 at circuit city for a power supply...`
`23:21.22`	`Lithium-`	`and then i want to stay logged in`
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`23:21.31`	`Lithium-`	`Right now whats happening its logging me in, doing what i want it, then its finished`
`23:21.33`	`darxeth`	`resiak: btw, hows your band?`
`23:21.54`	`joey_`	`Lithium-, o I'm sorry I don't know`
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`23:22.35`	`resiak`	`darxeth: Assuming you're using exim4, ... I can't remember how to reconfigure it. Sorry. The band is kinda frozen...`
`23:22.38`	`stew`	`darxeth: don't shut down your smtp server, just have it not listen on the remote port`
`23:22.46`	`stew`	`darxeth: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config`
`23:22.53`	`stew`	`darxeth: and say local delivery only`
`23:22.55`	`stew`	`or whatever`
`23:24.26`	`darxeth`	`stew: if i dont need it, why should i keep it opened anyway?`
`23:24.56`	`[2D2D]Boneless`	`apt-get: "but it is not going to be installed". Why?`
`23:24.59`	`stew`	`darxeth: you need it. the system should be able to send you mail when stuff goes wrong, like cron-jobs`
`23:24.59`	`joey_`	`Lithium-, man expect describes an "interact" command, maybe useful`
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`23:26.21`	`darxeth`	`resiak: i know this feeling... when you have to do something for the fame of your heart but you dont have the time ... personally i say in every first day in the week i say am gonna hook up with my guys in the weekend and arrange some gig to do or whatever, but as you see i get buisy with something less important.`
`23:26.36`	`darxeth`	`stew: oh.... i see`
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`23:27.18`	`darxeth`	`stew: like in a situations of a bug? or a system crash?`
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`23:27.26`	`stew`	`yes`
`23:27.46`	`resiak`	`darxeth: Yeah, absolutely. Doesn't help that I live in a different city to them for 6 months of the year ... meh, over the summer.`
`23:27.54`	`resiak`	`darxeth: That's when we shall conquer the earth, etc.`
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`23:28.06`	`darxeth`	`stew: i thought the system do that with somekind of keylogger or something... not neccesarry a whol smtp server :)`
`23:28.24`	`stew`	`keylogger?`
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`23:30.00`	`darxeth`	`resiak: yeah i understand... i play alone, have'nt been yet organized any real band, i play some here and there but nothing special, but i know what it means to have a potential to rock some place and still put it on hold`
`23:30.19`	`fish1209`	`any one know where i can find the 4 base floppys for Debian 3.0(woody)`
`23:30.35`	`fish1209`	`trying to install on an old laptop`
`23:30.47`	`GhostXz`	`has no cdrom`
`23:31.08`	`resiak`	`fish1209: debian.org ?`
`23:31.16`	`fish1209`	`tried it`
`23:31.16`	`Guerin`	`!ig`
`23:31.16`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays.`
`23:31.23`	`Guerin`	`not hard enough, clearly`
`23:31.23`	`darxeth`	`resiak: anyways man, i appreciate your music alot, also appreciate soloing, if you can solo a lil :) i'll tell my friends about your site and check up your music maybe for practical issues, or just for fun ;)`
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`23:33.18`	`darxeth`	`stew: hmm yeah, a key logger, like, why when an error occures, the system have to connect to itself and send email via an smtp server just sending the bug report, doesnt it have a more reliable feature of logging bugs?`
`23:33.21`	`petemc`	`darxeth: email isnt reliable?`
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`23:33.44`	`StR`	`question: where does debian store the log of bind9?`
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`23:34.22`	`darxeth`	`petemc: in this situation no. why would it be reliable that the system sends an email to itself? or maybe i understood some things wrong...`
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`23:34.41`	`petemc`	`darxeth: it would appear you did, it sends a message to the bug tracking system`
`23:35.16`	`darxeth`	`petemc: oh, i see`
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`23:35.49`	`darxeth`	`petemc: like in winxp, but without a prompt :)`
`23:35.53`	`petemc`	`StR: what are you looking for? some stuff goes in daemon.log, some in syslog, you can increase logging with rndc querylog`
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`23:36.39`	`tas--`	`StR: /var/log/syslog`
`23:36.45`	`darxeth`	`stew: whats the exim4-config?`
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`23:36.51`	`resiak`	`darxeth: I'll let you know if we ever do anything more :)`
`23:37.10`	`teslamike`	`i get a dpkg error when installing xlibmesa-gl_4.3.0 saying something about libGL.so.1.2 also being in fglrx (my graphics driver). anything i can do to fix this?`
`23:37.26`	`darxeth`	`resiak: that'd be fine.. :>`
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`23:39.22`	`Pihti`	`Hi, I am having a problem with Debian Sarge and Xfree86 v 4.3.0.1. When started using startx, picture arrives and fvwm95, but mouse cursor does not move. If started using gdm, the server crashes with error 11. If I type cat /dev/psaux and move the mouse, characters do appear so the problem is with the server. Protocol is correct (checked with another PC that also has Debian Sarge)`
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`23:40.25`	`Pihti`	`When I read /var/log/Xfree86.0.log, there is no fatal errors or warnings.`
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`23:40.50`	`Pihti`	`Kernel used is 2.4.30, with trident framebuffer. The Xfree is also using Trident driver.`
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`23:41.33`	`Pihti`	`The Trident driver is recognized correctly by the X and it also fits the chipset.`
`23:41.40`	`teslamike`	`Pihti: I think I remember a friend having a similar issue. The guys in here fixed it by having him modprobe the mouse drivers, but I forget what they're called.`
`23:41.41`	`streuner`	`Pihti: does it work with an official kernel?`
`23:42.21`	`Pihti`	`streuner: the kernel should be compiled in a way that it works`
`23:42.25`	`teslamike`	`nvm, you DO get mouse input... different issue...`
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`23:45.15`	`Pihti`	`teslamike: I have compiled the mouse support to kernel`
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`23:45.26`	`Pihti`	`as I have done for ages`
`23:45.49`	`teslamike`	`Pihti: yeah, sorry... spoke too soon`
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`23:45.51`	`RoundQube`	`hello all`
`23:46.29`	`darxeth`	`so /etc/init.d/ only deals with daemons?`
`23:46.49`	`Pihti`	`darxeth: not necessarily, but mostly`
`23:47.11`	`Pihti`	`darxeth: there are also scripts who bring up networking and so on`
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`23:47.54`	`Pihti`	`streuner: I have not checked with official, although I have older kernel handy.`
`23:47.56`	`RoundQube`	`are there any linux certifications worth investing in?`
`23:48.53`	`qsds`	`yea MSCE`
`23:49.02`	`ledestin`	`RoundQube: Brainbench Linux cert is free`
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`23:49.13`	`darxeth`	`Pihti: i see`
`23:49.26`	`nvz`	`hah`
`23:49.37`	`nvz`	`MSCE is hardly a linux certification`
`23:49.54`	`ethics`	`MSCE is hardly a qualification.......`
`23:49.57`	`nvz`	`if it were, it would probably be called a LCE`
`23:49.57`	`Pihti`	`streuner, the gdm does not start with 2.4.24 kernel either`
`23:49.59`	`ledestin`	`RoundQube: as for me, I think becoming DD is a kind of certification`
`23:49.59`	`nvz`	`hehe`
`23:50.07`	`nvz`	`ethics: good point`
`23:50.08`	`RoundQube`	`qsds: ledestin DD?`
`23:50.20`	`qsds`	`oh come on`
`23:50.21`	`RoundQube`	`err ledestin`
`23:50.23`	`qsds`	`MSCE is the best`
`23:50.23`	`ledestin`	`RoundQube: Debian Developer.`
`23:50.27`	`nvz`	`hahaha`
`23:50.42`	`RoundQube`	`do you mean MCSE or really MSCE?`
`23:50.45`	`qsds`	`i have a Knoppix Certification`
`23:50.53`	`Pihti`	`RoundQube: you get a good certificate when you type dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/fb0 count=2048576`
`23:50.59`	`qsds`	`thru www.tubgirl.com`
`23:51.01`	`synic`	`what does this mean? Uerror: PAM: User not known to the underlying authentication module for illegal user`
`23:51.03`	`RoundQube`	`Pihti: heh`
`23:51.08`	`Pihti`	`then take a screenshot and print it :)`
`23:51.11`	`synic`	`in authlog when trying to ssh as a certain user`
`23:51.12`	`ethics`	`MCSE MSCE......same ranking...`
`23:51.23`	`synic`	`I can su to the user from another one once I'm logged in`
`23:51.28`	`petemc`	`qsds: side splitting stuff`
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`23:51.43`	`RoundQube`	`what i really want to learn is unix security in general, just dont know where to start out`
`23:52.08`	`petemc`	`RoundQube: learn how a system works before you start thinking about its security`
`23:52.08`	`teslamike`	`i get an error installing xlibmesa-gl when it tries to overwrite libGL.so.1.2 from the fglrx package. is there a way to work around this or an alternative o xlibmesa?`
`23:52.19`	`cafuego`	`I have a RCSE.`
`23:52.20`	`Pihti`	`RoundQube: perhaps linux firewall howto would be nice and get a linux book`
`23:52.26`	`nvz`	`RoundQube: understanding the linux kernel.... filesystems, sockets, processes..etc`
`23:52.33`	`ethics`	`RoundQube: chmod...chroot...iptables...`
`23:52.34`	`petemc`	`cafuego: did you pay for it?`
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`23:52.42`	`qsds`	`no one needs linux certifaction`
`23:52.44`	`qsds`	`its useless`
`23:52.52`	`cafuego`	`he's in a bottle, on alcohol, adorning a coffee table in the spare room.`
`23:52.54`	`Pihti`	`RoundQube: and especially, you need to understand how to get sane data from /dev/urandom`
`23:52.54`	`qsds`	`and i aint trolling :p`
`23:53.03`	`RoundQube`	`is there linux kernel covering 2.6? last i saw was 2.4 and some of the code wouldn't compile for me`
`23:53.15`	`cafuego`	`petemc: No, just hit him in the street and dragged him home.`
`23:53.19`	`petemc`	`:)`
`23:53.21`	`RoundQube`	`linux kernel book rather`
`23:53.30`	`petemc`	`qsds: you're doing a good approximation of it`
`23:53.34`	`ledestin`	`qsds: tests are boring, but can be useful for self-evaluatino`
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`23:53.52`	`Pihti`	`RoundQube: compiling linux kernel is not for beginners`
`23:53.54`	`cafuego`	`qsds: No, certification isn't useless. it's pretty much the only way a company like redhat can generate an income stream.`
`23:53.54`	`nvz`	`RoundQube: kernel 2.6 includes new security options`
`23:54.10`	`ledestin`	`qsds: for example, my test score went up after I learned more about the system.`
`23:54.13`	`nvz`	`RoundQube: NSA SELinux for one thing :P`
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`23:54.31`	`RoundQube`	`Pihti: im not a beginner, i've been running linux exclusively for over a year...i just want to learn it more in-depth`
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`23:54.39`	`RoundQube`	`the internals, as it were`
`23:54.53`	`Pihti`	`RoundQube: then I suggest reading howtos`
`23:55.01`	`aquarius`	`How do I set up my machine to forward packets? Incoming packets on one interface destined for the network connected to another interface are not being forwarded. I've echoed 1 into /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, but incoming packets show up in iptables' INPUT chain but not the FORWARD chain.`
`23:55.03`	`RoundQube`	`nvz: im familiar with grsecurity/PAX etc.., haven't used SELinux yet`
`23:55.03`	`Pihti`	`RoundQube: they have much information inside`
`23:55.29`	`[2D2D]Boneless`	`RoundQube: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en <-- good tutorial`
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`23:55.42`	`RoundQube`	`i tried gawd awful gentoo for a lil while hehe, sick`
`23:55.46`	`throven`	`I have downloaded the Sarge Netinst ISO, both the RC3 and the latest daily build, however my system hangs on hardware detection when loading the scsi module, I think it has something to do with the fact that I am using a SATA (Silicon Image 3112A) controller for my hard disk. Anyone got any ideas or gotten around this problem?`
`23:55.56`	`[2D2D]Boneless`	`I'm asking again: anyone here who successfully upgraded KDE to 3.4 from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org?`
`23:56.15`	`cafuego`	`[2D2D]Boneless: maybe the lack of resposnes you got before means "NO, nobody".`
`23:56.26`	`[2D2D]Boneless`	`Hehe`
`23:56.27`	`RoundQube`	`[2D2D]Boneless: thanks, but i've compiled the kernel the "debian way" multiple times`
`23:56.37`	`RoundQube`	`kde, its so bloated now sigh`
`23:56.41`	`ethics`	`i enjoyed my time with gentoo......i found the compiling screen scrolling almost as addictive as diskkeepers defragging screen and almost as good as the log fire screensaver...`
`23:57.06`	`drini`	`I did boneless, but kdm won't work`
`23:57.10`	`drini`	`so you need to use xdm`
`23:57.21`	`drini`	`I also like gentoo ;)`
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`23:57.35`	`[2D2D]Boneless`	`drini: can I msg you private for a couple of questions?`
`23:57.42`	`RoundQube`	`compiling for hours on end gets old really fast`
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`23:57.55`	`PDani`	`hi`
`23:58.01`	`Pihti`	`ethics: I think most addictive is to watch the "top" list when distcc is compiling kernel... of course remotelu`
`23:58.20`	`cafuego`	`Compiling is what you make a computer do when you're not sitting near it.`
`23:58.29`	`Pihti`	`cafuego: fact`
`23:58.30`	`PDani`	`can i configure mutt to use a smarthost without local mail-server?`
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`23:58.47`	`Pihti`	`cafuego: or you surf on p0rn sites while compiling :D`
`23:58.54`	`Pit-Bull`	`#debian.de`
`23:58.58`	`Pit-Bull`	`ups`
`23:58.59`	`Pit-Bull`	`sorry`
`23:59.10`	`cafuego`	`Pihti: Why surf porn sites when I have a perfectly useable wife in the house?`
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`23:59.27`	`Pihti`	`cafuego: hm. then surf on debian site, finding out new packages :)`
`23:59.30`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`23:59.31`	`ethics`	`....could i use her...i feel the need to compile vigorously...`
`23:59.34`	`Pihti`	`or something :D`
`23:59.34`	`qsds`	`cafuego she is fat`
`23:59.46`	`ethics`	`8)`

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