| 00:00.01 | cafuego | qsds: Yes, and you know this because you what, slept with her for years? idiot. |
| 00:00.17 | bltzfsck | is there a good linux tool for ripping songs from vinyl? |
| 00:00.23 | green_earz | cafuego: i bet she would be glad to here that ?? |
| 00:00.37 | qsds | cafuego no cuz i saw her |
| 00:00.41 | qsds | i dont need to sleep with a person to see they are fat |
| 00:00.44 | thingfish | vinyl? <nostalgia> |
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| 00:00.54 | ethics | never did find a match for soundforge on linux to date but im looking at audacity and stuff soon again |
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| 00:01.17 | cafuego | qsds: And you saw her when we happened to be visiting toronto in '98? |
| 00:01.40 | qsds | cafuego yea |
| 00:01.41 | bltzfsck | thingfish, you seen any mammy nuns aroun here? |
| 00:01.54 | qsds | world youth day |
| 00:01.58 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:02.00 | cafuego | qsds: Sorry, but we didn't go anywhere near toronto. |
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| 00:02.19 | thingfish | bltzfsck: me and da evil prince got some back at da labmatory. |
| 00:02.26 | bltzfsck | you an me's de only two who knows what ize talkin bout |
| 00:02.43 | thingfish | hehe probably so. |
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| 00:03.51 | cafuego | Hmm, not many laptops come with clits these days |
| 00:04.02 | qcds | lol |
| 00:04.05 | bltzfsck | but the ones that do, WATCHOUT! |
| 00:04.13 | Pihti | damn |
| 00:04.40 | cafuego | Just the IBMs |
| 00:04.43 | Pihti | hmmm... *wondering* would that trident shit work with vesa driver better |
| 00:04.44 | ethics | there asre usb clits available but they are more your brazillian style larger and tougher.. |
| 00:04.51 | cafuego | Which, from the looks of it, are the same price as Dell. |
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| 00:05.40 | ethics | who'd have know there was a niche market for rubber clits... |
| 00:05.51 | bltzfsck | so did i get it that audacity is the tool that's gonna get my record collection to cee dee? |
| 00:05.56 | Nwallins | i think my isp's DNS is completely down. i can't reach any domain name over any protocol. anyone know a good U.S. DNS server ip by any chance? |
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| 00:06.17 | cafuego | Nwallins: I think the mit ones respond worldwife... |
| 00:06.21 | ethics | bltzfsck: good starting point i think...gimme a sec ill look what i used last time i recorded mics |
| 00:06.23 | Pihti | the system does not work with vesa driver either... hmmm. |
| 00:06.34 | Nwallins | cafuego: good enough.. got an ip? |
| 00:06.38 | bltzfsck | ethics, thansk |
| 00:06.38 | cafuego | Nwallins: 18.71.0.151 |
| 00:06.41 | darxeth | is there any program peer2peer i can use like kazaa and imesh in windows? |
| 00:06.44 | Nwallins | thanks cafuego |
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| 00:07.15 | teslamike | darxeth: giftd? |
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| 00:07.38 | ethics | bltzfsck: yeah last time i used audacity and gnove wav cleaner.. |
| 00:07.53 | ethics | bltzfsck: gnome wave cleaner rather |
| 00:08.09 | bltzfsck | ethics, and you were happy with the product? |
| 00:08.12 | teslamike | darxeth: giftd + giFTcurs is what i use, but there are nicer frontends if you want to spend the time |
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| 00:08.45 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 00:09.11 | ethics | bltzfsck: waqsnt bad....soundforge had DC adjust in windows which made recording levels easier to work with but i think from memory audacity was ok just a bit of a adapting time to work out what all the thingoes did |
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| 00:09.24 | madclicker | is there a good tool for service settings in debian? like "chkconfig" for redhat |
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| 00:09.43 | bltzfsck | ethics, thanks much. i'll get on it... |
| 00:09.46 | EdibleText | what player supports shorten .shn format |
| 00:10.14 | EdibleText | I have never heard of it |
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| 00:10.24 | darxeth | teslamike: thanks |
| 00:10.28 | Pihti | madclicker: i have never needed such, just removing and adding symlinks to rc?.d has been enough for me |
| 00:10.34 | ethics | bltzfsck: np im a muso so i know all the windows apps for it....music on linux is sorta like doing mobile phone tunes at times unfortunately but wave editors seem ok |
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| 00:10.49 | teslamike | darxeth: np... limewire also works if you want to try that... |
| 00:11.08 | madclicker | Pihti: i like the lazy way :) |
| 00:11.37 | darxeth | teslamike: limewire.. i heard about it, it sounds more famous. about giftd, is it gui or what? |
| 00:11.39 | bltzfsck | ethics, if you want to make cd's playable on regular stereo equipment, do you make wav files? |
| 00:11.51 | Pihti | madclicker: then I cannot help you much, update-rc.d has been lazy enough for me |
| 00:12.08 | bltzfsck | ethics, or can you rip a whole side and dd it? |
| 00:12.10 | Pihti | bltzfsck: the result is better if you do not pack the wav files |
| 00:12.39 | bltzfsck | actually, two sides i guess |
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| 00:12.49 | teslamike | darxeth: gift is like a file transfer daemon of sorts. it connects to a whole bunch of p2p networks and searches/downloads from all of them at the same time |
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| 00:13.03 | madclicker | Pihti: thats ok, can you suggest what to do in regards of veiwing current settings for services? |
| 00:13.06 | bcordis | I it all right to upgrade to testing if you are runing debian stable? |
| 00:13.07 | darxeth | teslamike: i see |
| 00:13.11 | madclicker | chkconfig --list? |
| 00:13.25 | teslamike | darxeth: you need a client program for it (ie, giFTcurs)... i'll go get the website, just a sec |
| 00:13.52 | darxeth | teslamike: cant i apt-get install it? (the giFTcurs) |
| 00:13.58 | teslamike | darxeth: gift.sf.net |
| 00:14.04 | madclicker | Pihti: I read something about /etc/runlevel.conf, but me don't have that file on Sarge |
| 00:14.12 | teslamike | darxeth: i think so. i did if i remember right |
| 00:14.26 | darxeth | teslamike: alright man, thanks;) |
| 00:14.44 | Pihti | madclicker: if you mean a way to see what services actually run to network, then netstat is your friend, if just want to see processes ps ax is your friend |
| 00:14.50 | teslamike | darxeth: giftcurs, but its all based on ncurses for interface |
| 00:15.08 | Pihti | madclicker: others are just symlinks in rc.d |
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| 00:15.28 | Pihti | there is no "x runlevel" or "without X runlevel" in debian |
| 00:15.37 | teslamike | darxeth: you probably want libgnutella-gift and libfasttrac-gift as well if they're not included in giftd |
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| 00:15.59 | madclicker | Pihti: I ear u, me go try some things, to see if they work......gracias |
| 00:15.59 | teslamike | darxeth: sorry, its libfasttrack-gift |
| 00:16.31 | Pihti | madclicker: man update-rc.d |
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| 00:17.21 | darxeth | teslamike: i'll check it out right away, i ran the giFTcurs on the termianl, but previously when i typed giftd it told me to run gift-setup, do i really have to run that? |
| 00:17.31 | EdibleText | !scud |
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| 00:18.32 | teslamike | darxeth: yup. it was little annoying to get it all set up (i kept missing the question at the end saying 'have you actually answered the questions') |
| 00:18.33 | nvz | darxeth: yes, you really do. :) |
| 00:19.01 | nvz | darxeth: you run that every time you install a new plugin, its what configures the network plugins and creates config dir for the daemon to run |
| 00:19.12 | darxeth | damn.. then i rather do it tomorow, not its 03:17 i want to sleep. heh |
| 00:19.44 | nvz | darxeth: if you dont want to have to worry about giftd much, use apollon |
| 00:19.44 | Pihti | I think I also go to sleep and think about that damned trident problem tomorrow |
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| 00:20.01 | Pihti | I have gotten this nasty thing to work usually, but not this timwe |
| 00:20.02 | teslamike | nvz: is there a package for apollon? i couldn't get it to set up |
| 00:20.05 | darxeth | nvz: nah, it'll worth the effort, i assume :) |
| 00:20.10 | Cocheese | yo yo yo |
| 00:20.14 | Cocheese | what up |
| 00:20.21 | teslamike | darxeth: i believe apollon uses giftd anyways |
| 00:20.47 | nvz | darxeth: well what I am saying, is when you start apollon, it will check to see if giftd is running or not, and if not, start it for you. |
| 00:20.51 | darxeth | teslamike: i see.. |
| 00:21.19 | nvz | the other clients expect it to be running already |
| 00:21.28 | teslamike | darxeth: if you can use apollon you probably should - its quite a bit nicer than giFTcurs from what i can tell |
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| 00:22.08 | darxeth | nvz: oh, i got it.. but i rather do it this way, since i'm in practicing linux stage and still there's alot to get along with and learn |
| 00:22.11 | bltzfsck | ethics, will gnome wave cleaner work with alsa-oss instead of oss? |
| 00:22.46 | bltzfsck | docs say it needs oss... |
| 00:23.02 | Pihti | bltzfsck: I think that it works with alsa-oss |
| 00:23.17 | bltzfsck | you know the debian package name offhand? |
| 00:23.31 | bltzfsck | it's not gnome-wave-cleaner, apparently |
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| 00:23.55 | Pihti | bltzfsck: I do not know that |
| 00:24.05 | darxeth | alright thanks guys |
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| 00:24.39 | teslamike | i have a conflict of sorts between two packages that i seem to need both of. xlibmesa-gl wont install because of a /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2, which is part of fglrx |
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| 00:25.14 | teslamike | fglrx is my graphics driver :( and when i try to remove xlibmesa-gl half of my system seems to want to go with it |
| 00:26.15 | teslamike | also, there is a newer version (dfsh.1-12.0.1 vs dfsg.1-10) but i can't update this becaus apt-get is locked up until i can correct the dependency |
| 00:26.18 | Pihti | bltzfsck: try to install gwc - Audio file denoiser |
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| 00:26.32 | Pihti | the gwc could be that gnome-wave-cleaner |
| 00:26.39 | bltzfsck | Pihti, ok, thanks |
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| 00:27.18 | Pihti | teslamike: what graphics card do you have in your system? |
| 00:27.21 | prodope | what causes segmentation faults? |
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| 00:27.36 | bltzfsck | Pihti, that was it, thanks |
| 00:27.39 | teslamike | Phiti: Radeon 9700 modile |
| 00:27.45 | Pihti | bltzfsck: you are welcome |
| 00:27.48 | teslamike | phiti: *mobile |
| 00:28.14 | Pihti | teslamike: hmmm. ati *where was my nitros - oh- there- found 'em* |
| 00:28.28 | Pihti | teslamike: try to use ati driver instead |
| 00:28.41 | |XO2| | anyone using comcast here? |
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| 00:28.54 | teslamike | Pihti: so apt-get remove fglrx && apt-get install ati? |
| 00:29.02 | chealer | prodope: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault |
| 00:29.15 | Pihti | teslamike: nope, just change it in /etc/X11/Xfree86config-4 |
| 00:29.39 | bltzfsck | hell, now all i need is a TURNTABLE. YEE HAA |
| 00:29.39 | Pihti | the ati should be in the box of Xfree |
| 00:30.33 | Pihti | Then just installing the xlibmesa could work |
| 00:30.45 | teslamike | Pihti: alright, brb - need to restart X11 |
| 00:30.56 | Pihti | but I do not guarantee anything, if you break your system with ATI you keep both pieces |
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| 00:31.11 | teslamike | Pihti: i can just put it back i suppose |
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| 00:32.34 | Pihti | teslamike: did it work? |
| 00:33.55 | pillBOX | You got a great car. Yeah what's wrong with it today? I used to have one too. Maybe I'll come and have a look. |
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| 00:37.22 | madclicker | Pihti: invoke-rc.d "home run" |
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| 00:37.44 | Pihti | madclicker: what? |
| 00:38.26 | madclicker | Pihti: way better than update-rc.d |
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| 00:38.54 | Pihti | madclicker: much faster way to start something is just /etc/init.d/<script> start |
| 00:39.05 | Pihti | or /etc/init.d/<script> stop |
| 00:39.09 | Pihti | or restart |
| 00:39.26 | Pihti | I use just those. tabextensions work with those :) |
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| 00:39.46 | Pihti | update-rc.d is for permanent symlink-mangling |
| 00:39.51 | madclicker | Pihti: but how about for managing runlevel services and priorities......ouch |
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| 00:40.07 | Pihti | madclicker: update-rc.d is just for that |
| 00:40.19 | Pihti | madclicker: actually with debian you do not need to worry about runlevel |
| 00:40.49 | Pihti | madclicker: on my machines all of them run at level 2, be it a server or workstation |
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| 00:41.06 | madclicker | Pihti: is runlevel 2 considered multiuser mode with X start6? |
| 00:41.06 | madclicker | X start |
| 00:41.46 | madclicker | man is Debian ever confusing ater years of using RPM's |
| 00:42.00 | Pihti | madclicker: the runlevel 2 is just a runlevel on a debian system. If you do not want to start X (actually GDM) just remove the symlink from rc2.d |
| 00:42.00 | Arafangion | madclicker, And vice versa. |
| 00:42.08 | madclicker | :) |
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| 00:42.25 | thingfish | heh madclicker, I know the feeling, I spent years with red hat/fedora. |
| 00:42.29 | Pihti | I lost my nerves with RPM:s and their endless dependencies |
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| 00:42.45 | Pihti | apt is much more convenient |
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| 00:42.53 | madclicker | Pihti: lol i spent some time looking for that in "etc/inittab" ....bahhhhh |
| 00:42.59 | thingfish | madclicker: but believe me, Debian is worth what little effort it takes to learn its way of doing things. |
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| 00:43.28 | Pihti | madclicker: there is no such thing as X runlevel in Debian |
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| 00:43.52 | madclicker | Fedora is a nightmare for me, i have nothing but fun seince core3...:( |
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| 00:43.55 | Pihti | madclicker: I like the debian way, no automatics if you do not want them |
| 00:43.59 | teslamike | Pihti: that did not go well |
| 00:44.08 | teslamike | Pihti: any other ideas? |
| 00:44.13 | Pihti | teslamike: another driver worth trying is radeon |
| 00:44.23 | Pihti | that also is with Xfree |
| 00:44.48 | Pihti | but as said, ATI is not good with open sources |
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| 00:45.01 | thingfish | madclicker: fc3 was a horrible mess for me, was what drove me away from fedora. Plus philosophical differences. |
| 00:45.12 | madclicker | thingfish: the last stable vesion was 7.2 :) |
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| 00:45.41 | thingfish | I mean, all fedora is, is a testbed for rhel, which red hat makes money from. |
| 00:45.48 | Pihti | and when you need something outside of distro (as with Redhat or Fedora, you WILL need), you face with dependency hell |
| 00:46.12 | teslamike | Pihti: i think i used that one once... i assume that if it doesnt work the result will be that really horrifying cloudy thing again... |
| 00:46.12 | teslamike | Pihti: alright, in preparation, is there a way i can prevent gdm from automatically restarting? |
| 00:46.18 | madclicker | thingfish: I will take stablility over features any time of the day ...np! |
| 00:46.18 | thingfish | I don't care to help Red Hat make money, linux company or not. |
| 00:46.24 | thingfish | amen brother |
| 00:46.36 | thingfish | heh stability is THE feature. |
| 00:46.39 | Pihti | teslamike: remove the symlink from rc.d |
| 00:46.47 | thingfish | par excellence |
| 00:47.12 | PDani | how can i set the mode of directiories in an iso9660 at mount-time? |
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| 00:47.15 | Pihti | then it won't start. With GDM you need to wait some time until it decides "not working". |
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| 00:47.43 | Pihti | At least I wait that time. Then when it says "waiting 2 minutes", just write /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 00:47.48 | teslamike | Pihti: where is that? |
| 00:47.51 | Pihti | and it won't start |
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| 00:48.27 | Pihti | teslamike: assuming you have normal Debian system, it is /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 00:48.42 | teslamike | Pihti: heh... normal :s |
| 00:48.44 | thingfish | madclicker: can you believe it? All the people testing fedora and reporting bugs in it are just helping a company make money, in the long run. |
| 00:49.16 | Pihti | there should be something like "S99gdm" or "S99xdm". Remove it. |
| 00:49.31 | Pihti | after that it won't start anymore. |
| 00:49.32 | madclicker | hey guys, where would i load a kernel module for things like SCSI, AHCI or ATA_PIIX? |
| 00:50.01 | Pihti | madclicker: /etc/modules |
| 00:50.09 | Eclipser | what's a good bluetooth pcmia card which works on linux? |
| 00:50.10 | Pihti | write the module name there |
| 00:50.19 | pattieja_ | hello |
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| 00:50.37 | pattieja_ | anybody know why MySQL won't start after transferring it to another hard drive via rsync? |
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| 00:50.42 | madclicker | thingfish: dirty politics I guess, never the less they have som competition breading down their necks, seince they took the other route |
| 00:50.44 | Pihti | madclicker: and when you get more professional, compile those into your kernel! |
| 00:50.59 | pattieja_ | I issued /etc/init.d/mysql stop before initiating the copy |
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| 00:51.08 | madclicker | nothing left to do but fold and admit failure i suppose |
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| 00:51.35 | teslamike | Pihti: i removed the S99gdm file and it still restarts itself? |
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| 00:51.47 | Pihti | teslamike: after boot? |
| 00:52.03 | madclicker | Pihti: how can i know if the module are compiled already, is there a default config file for make? |
| 00:52.26 | Pihti | madclicker: try to modprobe it |
| 00:52.28 | teslamike | Pihti: ah... need to reboot for it to work? |
| 00:52.41 | madclicker | Pihti: kool |
| 00:52.44 | Pihti | teslamike: the gdm tries to restart itself some times. |
| 00:52.50 | teslamike | Pihti: alright then... here goes |
| 00:52.51 | thingfish | Plus I think if you're a Democrat, you pretty much have to choose Debian. |
| 00:53.01 | thingfish | or liberal in general. :) |
| 00:53.06 | buu | thingfish: Yeah, but democrats suck |
| 00:53.17 | thingfish | oh boo, buu. |
| 00:53.37 | Pihti | madclicker: if the modprobe says that it does not know about the module, then it is not compiled. |
| 00:54.00 | Pihti | madclicker: if it says nothing, or it says something sane, it is indeed compiled. |
| 00:54.02 | madclicker | Pihti: I knew that :) |
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| 00:54.43 | Pihti | madclicker: and the kernel config file is in /boot directory, surprisingly "config-2.x.x" |
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| 00:54.54 | Pihti | teslamike: did the gdm start now automagically? |
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| 00:55.09 | teslamike | Pihti: well, i just swapped the driver, i haven't rebooted yet |
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| 00:55.32 | madclicker | Pihti: FATAL: Module ahci not found , which means nay |
| 00:55.35 | Pihti | teslamike: the gdm restarts itself some times, were the link there or not. |
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| 00:55.49 | teslamike | Pihti: i figured since it should start on reboot i might as well try the new driver before i reboot, and in case of dying again, i can use knoppix like last time |
| 00:56.04 | teslamike | Pihti: shouldn't, not should... :s |
| 00:56.20 | Pihti | teslamike: with removing the symlink it won't start after boot |
| 00:56.55 | Pihti | teslamike: does the radeon work with knoppix fine? |
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| 00:57.09 | teslamike | Pihti: thats what i meant, typo. knoppix uses the vesa driver on it |
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| 00:57.19 | Pihti | madclicker: are you sure about the module name? |
| 00:57.24 | green_earz | thingfish: debain is more in the direction of ivan illich thinking > http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ira/illich/ i would say |
| 00:57.28 | pattieja_ | hmm. ssh now owns all the files that mysql used to |
| 00:57.41 | Pihti | teslamike: a-ha. vesa is the thing that is the common name on all |
| 00:57.46 | dvs | Pihti: Power management modules? |
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| 00:58.27 | teslamike | Pihti: i think its working under radeon right now... i changed the config-4 and forced x down (ctrl+alt+bkspc) |
| 00:58.32 | Pihti | dvs: just acpi, but it has not made problems with other installations. |
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| 00:58.51 | Pihti | teslamike: yeah |
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| 00:59.11 | teslamike | Pihti: how can i convince apt-get to resolve this now? |
| 00:59.23 | madclicker | Pihti: positive Fedora Core 3 has it in 2.6-10, (Advance Host Controller Interface) for Intel 925X chipset |
| 00:59.24 | Pihti | teslamike: install the xlibmesa in now |
| 00:59.36 | Pihti | madclicker: type uname -a |
| 00:59.39 | teslamike | Pihti: fglrx isn't uninstalled |
| 00:59.42 | pattieja_ | hmm. gave ownership back to mysql of all its files and it's happy now. |
| 00:59.44 | FuerstPue | is there maybe somebody who can help me to get my ps2 mouse work |
| 00:59.50 | Pihti | teslamike: so let apt to uninstall it |
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| 01:00.05 | Pihti | teslamike: just install the mesa now :) |
| 01:00.09 | teslamike | Pihti: it doesnt... its not listed as a conflict, it just causes an error |
| 01:00.23 | Pihti | teslamike: put apt-get -f install |
| 01:00.25 | madclicker | Pihti: 2.6.8-2-686-emt64 |
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| 01:00.57 | Pihti | madclicker: that kernel might not have the driver |
| 01:01.11 | Flimzy | I've just installed a new kernel on an old AT system (Via MVP3 chipset), and when I 'shutdown -r', it just freezes at 'Rebooting now'. Am I missing a kernel option somewhere to allow the kernel to reboot the system? |
| 01:01.26 | teslamike | Pihti: same error - trying to overwrite '/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx \ dpkg-deb: subprocess killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 01:01.29 | Pihti | madclicker: as root: type hdparm -tT /dev/hda |
| 01:01.35 | madclicker | Pihti: i checked the regular SMP kernel, nopthing there either. |
| 01:01.44 | chealer | !faq FuerstPue |
| 01:01.44 | dpkg | FuerstPue: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 01:01.48 | Pihti | madclicker: are you having a SMP machine? |
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| 01:02.15 | Pihti | teslamike: so remove the fglrx first. use --purge |
| 01:02.40 | madclicker | Pihti: when i run a stock kernel on Intel emt64 type cpu, the OS freeses in 15 minute with somw weired kernel errors |
| 01:03.06 | teslamike | Pihti: apt-get remove fglrx --purge |
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| 01:03.20 | teslamike | Pihti: but then it complains about unmet dependencies |
| 01:03.27 | Pihti | teslamike: I put the --purge before remove |
| 01:03.49 | Pihti | hmmm. |
| 01:04.07 | teslamike | Pihti: no difference... its complainging about xlibmesa-gl-dev needing xlibmesa-gl 1-12 but 1-10 is to be installed |
| 01:04.24 | Pihti | teslamike: run apt-get update |
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| 01:04.39 | Pihti | teslamike: you might have old information in your apt cache |
| 01:04.42 | teslamike | Pihti: have... running again for the hell of it |
| 01:04.49 | Pihti | ok |
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| 01:05.07 | loren | what splash programs do you reccomend using for BootSplash? |
| 01:05.10 | Pihti | then remove the xlibmesa-gl-dev and xlibmesa-gl |
| 01:05.13 | Solet | whats the command to kill the xserver? |
| 01:05.27 | teslamike | Pihti: no good... just about everything depends on those |
| 01:06.12 | madclicker | Pihti: hdparm command not found |
| 01:06.14 | Pihti | teslamike: try to install mesag3 or something. |
| 01:06.21 | Pihti | madclicker: it is /sbin/hdparm |
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| 01:06.52 | madclicker | Pihti: none |
| 01:06.57 | Pihti | teslamike: it says a lot of things, but it should install. it is slow, but it works |
| 01:06.59 | loren | what splash programs do you reccomend using for BootSplash? |
| 01:07.03 | Pihti | madclicker: apt-get install hdparm |
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| 01:08.48 | teslamike | hmm |
| 01:09.18 | Pihti | teslamike: sometimes you just need to circumvent a error with another error |
| 01:09.35 | teslamike | Pihti: it wont install |
| 01:10.17 | Pihti | teslamike: does it comply about fglrx also? |
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| 01:10.28 | lunaphyte | hi all |
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| 01:10.52 | KodeK | Hi people. |
| 01:10.56 | ezhdeha1 | hi |
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| 01:11.02 | KodeK | ive a question |
| 01:11.08 | ezhdeha1 | fire away |
| 01:11.09 | KodeK | ive been trying CVS |
| 01:11.09 | KodeK | it's driving me crazy |
| 01:11.14 | KodeK | i dont know where to start |
| 01:11.18 | teslamike | Pihti: well, the actual error is libmesa-gl-dev depending on libmesa-gl, but libmesa-gl wont install because of fglrx |
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| 01:11.23 | Henning | KodeK: www.cvshome.org |
| 01:11.26 | dvs | KodeK: Why do you want to use it? |
| 01:11.30 | loren | anyone know what BootSplash mandrake uses? im curious and mandrake channel isn't helpful |
| 01:11.34 | lunaphyte | if resolv.conf is generated by resolvconf, and says don't edit directly, how can i get nameservers in there? |
| 01:11.40 | KodeK | basically, we're 3 programmers, and we need CVS's features, but we find it very hard to use. |
| 01:11.57 | teslamike | Pihti: mesag3 wont install because of libglu1-mesa and libgl1 |
| 01:11.57 | ezhdeha1 | kodek: have u tried subversion instead ? |
| 01:12.00 | utta | KodeK: try subversion and trac |
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| 01:12.12 | Pihti | teslamike: does it ask y/n ? |
| 01:12.14 | KodeK | is subversion easier to use? |
| 01:12.20 | ezhdeha1 | kodek: yes |
| 01:12.23 | Pihti | teslamike: also one thing to run is dist-upgrade |
| 01:12.32 | teslamike | Pihti: when installing mesag3 and libglu1-msa, no |
| 01:12.42 | teslamike | Pihti: when installing xlibmesa-gl, yes |
| 01:12.42 | KodeK | ezhdeha1: i'll give it a try, thanks |
| 01:12.54 | ezhdeha1 | kodek: no problem |
| 01:13.20 | Solet | umm i installed the ffdshow filter thing, and the new inuyasha's still wont play in mpc... i followed the guide thats on the site |
| 01:13.22 | utta | KodeK: try trac as well. trac is a code management system. goto www.edgewall.net for a trac demo |
| 01:13.28 | bucky | loren, here are some custom ones like the mandrake bootsplash bootsplash.org |
| 01:13.36 | Pihti | teslamike: then say so |
| 01:13.44 | KodeK | utta: thanks |
| 01:13.48 | loren | bucky: thank you man, thanks a ton |
| 01:13.54 | teslamike | Pihti: hmm? say no? |
| 01:14.06 | Pihti | teslamike: say yes when it asks "proceed?" |
| 01:14.18 | Pihti | teslamike: another way to do this kind of things is to install aptitude |
| 01:14.23 | teslamike | Pihti: done that, nothing changes |
| 01:14.29 | teslamike | Pihti: i have aptitude... |
| 01:14.55 | Pihti | try to remove the offending package with it, then select another packages to satisfy dependencies |
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| 01:15.08 | Pihti | the driver you are using is not made in good way |
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| 01:15.20 | Pihti | or, were using <cough> |
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| 01:15.52 | jetscreamer | hey what command do you use to change from utc to local time |
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| 01:16.03 | Arafangion | I believe 'date' |
| 01:16.14 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 01:16.14 | Arafangion | With various options. |
| 01:16.19 | Solet | ack wrong window.. :/ |
| 01:16.25 | Pihti | teslamike: I have used the aptitude to fix that kind of packet problems |
| 01:16.32 | FieldySnuts | every time I turn my system on, it's exactly 1 hour behind. i can ntpdate it and it's right, but next time I boot it's back to an hour early. how can I stop this? I don't dual boot. |
| 01:16.35 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 01:16.35 | dpkg | methinks fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
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| 01:16.45 | boukensya | hey guys. I was just wondering what the linux boot partition for an ibook would be? cause I don't think it uses hda etc.. |
| 01:16.51 | bnoji | Is Cat3 cable UTP? |
| 01:16.54 | zignig | FieldySnuts: sounds like a bios clock. |
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| 01:17.06 | Pihti | bnoji: do not use that cable for networking |
| 01:17.06 | KodeK | also, could anyone point me to a good list of sources for debian packages? I didn't get to choose them during the installer, and now im stuck with a bad mirror. |
| 01:17.10 | bucky | FieldySnuts, fix it in the bios.. you missed daylight savings time |
| 01:17.23 | KodeK | im using http.us.debian.org and it takes a long time to "connect" |
| 01:17.29 | bnoji | Pihti: I'm not, I'm just trying to find out if Cat3 is UTP... |
| 01:17.34 | FieldySnuts | bucky: i've never had to do that before, why is it starting now? |
| 01:17.45 | utta | KodeK: try archive.progeny.com |
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| 01:18.01 | bnoji | I just made an amphenol tail and terminated it on a 66...But the cabling wasn't UTP... |
| 01:18.17 | KodeK | utta: would you mind sending me the lines in your sources.list? |
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| 01:18.31 | teslamike | Pihti: hmm... how does aptitude fix this? just removing and reinstalling everything? |
| 01:18.36 | bucky | depends on your tzconfig i guess *shrug* |
| 01:19.13 | teslamike | Pihti: its downloading a LOT of stuff... things i'm sure i didn't as for, but o well |
| 01:19.21 | Pihti | scary, I have used aptitude for that and I like it. teslamike: with aptitude you can remove that offending package and then select other packages. What is already installed, will not be reinstalled. |
| 01:19.27 | yalu | say that I want to grep file A for the occurence of each line in file B... I wrote this: for i in $(cat B); do grep "$i" A; done <<-- this gives me NO output! |
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| 01:20.09 | chealer | KodeK: use apt-setup |
| 01:20.14 | scarynetworkguy | yalu: The Bash how-to is at http://www.tldp.org |
| 01:20.17 | Pihti | teslamike: what version of debian you are using? |
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| 01:20.24 | KodeK | chealer: great! thank you |
| 01:20.26 | teslamike | Pihti: ok, we'll see in about 5 minutes if this workse |
| 01:20.35 | mne | hi ! this is slightly offtopic, anyway :) I have a tcpdump file from an network. How can I determine the IP of the network's router ? |
| 01:20.41 | teslamike | Pihti: uhm... testing? sarge? kernel 2.6 |
| 01:20.48 | bnoji | Pihti: Is Cat3 supposed to be UTP? |
| 01:20.52 | yalu | scarynetworkguy: yes I KNOW, thank you... I just don't understand why this doesn't work as I expect |
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| 01:21.10 | yalu | bnoji: yes, but 10 mbit only iirc |
| 01:21.12 | Pihti | bnoji: if the cat3 cable is flat it is not even tp |
| 01:21.31 | FieldySnuts | mne: if it's using dhcp, it might be in the dhcp packets. tcpdump files are easier to read in ethereal (ethereal -r file) |
| 01:21.35 | scarynetworkguy | yalu: If you read the how-to you would. :P |
| 01:21.36 | Pihti | teslamike: sarge = testing |
| 01:21.57 | teslamike | Pihti: i thought so, but i wasnt sure... i'm using testing off of a net install cd |
| 01:22.09 | bnoji | Pihti: I have a 25 pair amphenol...It says CAT3 on the cable sheath, but when I cut into it, it wasn't UTP |
| 01:22.12 | Paganist | Do anyone know a load balancing solution out of LVS please ? |
| 01:22.12 | Pihti | teslamike: then it is sarge. |
| 01:22.22 | teslamike | Pihti: it really looks like aptitude is installing kde at the moment... |
| 01:22.26 | mne | FieldySnuts, I already use ethereal ;) unfortunately there are no dhcp queries(answers in the traffic |
| 01:22.42 | FieldySnuts | i don't know then |
| 01:22.48 | scarynetworkguy | mne: Who is your ISP? |
| 01:22.51 | mne | FieldySnuts, anyway, thx |
| 01:22.51 | Pihti | teslamike: ehm. you could have deselected that. I also had to do that when fixing one problem. |
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| 01:23.08 | mne | scarynetworkguy, my ISP ? why ? |
| 01:23.14 | teslamike | Pihti: lol... alright... looks like i hafta go back and uninstall kde after its done |
| 01:23.26 | KodeK | I know this is a linux channel, but, isnt there something simpler than CVS/subversion/trac? something made for a windows user like me :) |
| 01:23.26 | KodeK | something with no learning curve :) |
| 01:23.30 | scarynetworkguy | mne: Sorry I misparsed the question. why would you expect to see DHCP traffic from a router? |
| 01:23.36 | Pihti | sometimes there is dependencies and recommended packages those just get installed, although they never needed. |
| 01:23.54 | FieldySnuts | revision controll stuff like that isn't simpole by it's nature |
| 01:24.02 | FieldySnuts | simple. |
| 01:24.11 | dvs | KodeK: GUI based? No. But you can find GUI frond ends to most of these programs. |
| 01:24.15 | teslamike | Pihti: i have a couple kde programs, but they've been running great under gnome so far, and i don't like kde so much... |
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| 01:24.17 | Pihti | for example, on my systems motion is not connected with mysql or postgres, but still it gets installed with motion |
| 01:24.20 | Overand | What's a console *or* gui 'terminal emulator' app i can use that's smarter than 'minicom' and will let me *not* have to use a modem, ie so I can just be a #!%$ fake VT-100 terminal, to get to another box via null modem cable and log in |
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| 01:24.30 | Pihti | teslamike: I have noticed same problem |
| 01:24.30 | ledestin | KodeK: cvs is pretty standard. As for programs, FFX on PS2 has easy learning curve, imho. |
| 01:24.39 | mne | scarynetworkguy, no, I said I have a tcpump file from another network. I want to determine what router this network is using. I'm not on that network |
| 01:24.45 | FieldySnuts | @lart ledestin |
| 01:24.59 | Pihti | but now I have to go, see later. I am too tired of thinking anything (it is 4.25 AM here) |
| 01:25.08 | teslamike | Pihti: thanks... cya |
| 01:25.18 | KodeK | ledestin: FFX on PS2?! |
| 01:25.25 | scarynetworkguy | mne: by "this network" do you mean the one that you are on or the one that you don't have access to? |
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| 01:25.48 | mne | scarynetworkguy, I don't have access to it at all, I just have the tcpdump file |
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| 01:26.07 | FieldySnuts | scarynetworkguy: probably. |
| 01:26.11 | Solet | whats the command to kill the xserver? |
| 01:26.14 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: Yeah. |
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| 01:26.43 | bnoji | Solet Ctrl-Shift-Backspace |
| 01:26.45 | ledestin | KodeK: cvs isn't hard to learn |
| 01:26.53 | mne | scarynetworkguy, actually this is a work we have to do for a university challenge, so no kiddie stuff here |
| 01:26.56 | bnoji | er, ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 01:26.59 | bltzfsck | addnick cheethoe |
| 01:27.07 | bltzfsck | koff koff |
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| 01:27.26 | scarynetworkguy | mne: Oh so you just want us to do your homework. |
| 01:27.36 | KodeK | ledestin: i dont care if setting up the server part is hard, because ill be in charge of that, but the client part is too hard to use |
| 01:27.42 | bltzfsck | help 8 |
| 01:27.46 | bltzfsck | geesh |
| 01:27.50 | FieldySnuts | time to go through every single packet, then. bound to be something with that info. |
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| 01:28.13 | KodeK | ledestin: fyi: we're 3 18 year old programmers learning C# and directx :/ |
| 01:28.14 | Solte | so that there isnt one running |
| 01:28.24 | mne | scarynetworkguy, no, I'm just thinking how I could get the router's address. there's no RIP, no dhcp, no ICMP traces, no BGP and stuff in it .. Anyway, forget it .. |
| 01:28.28 | FieldySnuts | @dachs scarynetworkguy |
| 01:28.30 | ledestin | KodeK: I disagree, it's not hard to use. cvs up, cvs co, cvs ci and cvs diff is all you need to know. |
| 01:28.33 | FieldySnuts | guess not. |
| 01:28.38 | scarynetworkguy | mne: Look for routing proctocols. Look for the telnet header that doens't identify Cisco but that everybody knows belongs to a Cisco. That kind of stuff. If it's a Motorola look for their menus in the payloads. |
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| 01:28.59 | mne | scarynetworkguy, cool, thx for the tip |
| 01:29.11 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: Hehe. |
| 01:29.24 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: blaireau scarynetworkguy |
| 01:29.27 | ledestin | KodeK: you're lucky you're adviced cvs since you have the chance to start in the right direction early. |
| 01:29.27 | ravenbird | scarynetworkguy: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 01:30.13 | KodeK | ledestin: the thing is, i find learning a programming language, directx, AND cvs too hard. |
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| 01:30.26 | Arafangion | KodeK, Trick is to learn them one at a time. |
| 01:30.28 | bucky | mne, the client sends out a discovery packey.. is that the answer you were looking for? |
| 01:30.39 | Arafangion | KodeK, Although I prefer Subversion to cvs |
| 01:30.42 | |XO| | comcast dns server is borkered |
| 01:30.58 | scarynetworkguy | |XO|: No shit sherlock. |
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| 01:31.08 | mne | bucky, no ;) anyway, thank you. |
| 01:31.27 | mne | bucky, let's say I'm trying to _get_ an open mind ;) |
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| 01:32.12 | FieldySnuts | @lart spam in quits |
| 01:32.17 | ledestin | KodeK: you're trying to do team development also |
| 01:32.40 | |XO| | scarynetworkguy u using comcast? |
| 01:32.42 | ledestin | FieldySnuts: dpkg was funny |
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| 01:33.16 | KodeK | stupid mIRC |
| 01:33.17 | prodope | how can i see how much ram a system has? |
| 01:33.25 | scarynetworkguy | !u |
| 01:33.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:33.26 | |XO| | u open it up |
| 01:33.34 | prodope | remotely |
| 01:33.35 | flow | how do i purge the config files when using apt-get remove? |
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| 01:33.45 | prodope | flow: apt-get --purge |
| 01:33.55 | flow | thanks for some reason its not in the help |
| 01:33.56 | prodope | flow: apt-get remove --purge |
| 01:34.09 | flow | i feel like a moron ;) |
| 01:34.16 | prodope | :) |
| 01:34.31 | ledestin | flow: good question I wanted to ask for a while |
| 01:34.32 | KodeK | ledestin: so what do you think i should do? |
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| 01:34.42 | |XO| | prodope does top show ram? |
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| 01:35.07 | KodeK | ledestin: one of my friends just finished coding a Life game (the one with cell reproduction), and every time he makes a change, he sends me the entire project, and it screws up my progress. |
| 01:35.08 | zignig | |XO|: free |
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| 01:36.17 | |XO| | yea "free -m" |
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| 01:37.16 | ledestin | KodeK: well, spend a couple of days and learn cvs. What's the big deal? |
| 01:37.24 | gravity | ew... CVS |
| 01:37.33 | gravity | Don't even bother. Use svn or something fancier |
| 01:37.45 | KodeK | gravity: that's what im using, subversion |
| 01:37.47 | Wyzard | Arch :-) |
| 01:38.09 | KodeK | ok, I just apt-get installed subversion |
| 01:38.15 | KodeK | can someone point me to the right direction now? |
| 01:38.35 | gravity | KodeK: Point your browser to file:///usr/share/doc/subversion |
| 01:38.41 | gravity | KodeK: Then read the svn book that's in there |
| 01:38.46 | gravity | It'll tell you what to do |
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| 01:38.59 | jony | hahahah |
| 01:39.02 | KodeK | gravity: im using my desktop |
| 01:39.12 | gravity | KodeK: ? |
| 01:39.13 | jony | suas puta |
| 01:39.17 | KodeK | gravity: windows :/ |
| 01:39.23 | jony | tem alguem do brazil aqui??? |
| 01:39.28 | hacim | anyone know how to allow for a larger than 8192 blocks initrd? is it just passing ramdisk_size= as a kernel boot param? |
| 01:39.29 | chealer | !pt |
| 01:39.29 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:39.37 | gravity | KodeK: Just google subversion. It's online |
| 01:39.38 | jony | daew blz? |
| 01:39.45 | KodeK | gravity: kk |
| 01:40.57 | flow | doesnt anyone use vsftp with TLS or SSL? |
| 01:41.03 | flow | err does |
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| 01:42.07 | flow | Im not sure if TLS support needs to be compiled in or if i can add the appropriate line into my vsftpd.conf |
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| 01:43.19 | jony | daew |
| 01:43.52 | jony | tem alguem do brasil aqui??? |
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| 01:44.40 | gravity | !tell jony about br |
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| 01:48.01 | jony | quem e do br aqui?? |
| 01:48.19 | scarynetworkguy | |XO|: Anyway just use a different nameserver. Easy peasy. |
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| 01:49.00 | jony | kem e do br aqui??? |
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| 01:49.12 | gravity | jony: Go away |
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| 01:49.33 | jony | seus porra |
| 01:50.02 | gravity | !ops jony is a Brazillian troll |
| 01:50.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jony is a Brazillian troll |
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| 01:50.41 | fish1209 | can some one tell me why there is only 23 base images on the Debian site but my laptop is asking for 24 |
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| 01:50.54 | jony | fuck |
| 01:51.16 | flow | hey he knows english! |
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| 01:51.23 | gravity | Who'd have thought? |
| 01:51.36 | jony | cu |
| 01:52.21 | jony | i'm is brazil |
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| 01:52.43 | gravity | jony: We don't care. We told you where to go to speak portuguese |
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| 01:54.33 | kurumin_ | oi jone vc ta ai |
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| 01:56.56 | fish1209 | anyone wanna help me |
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| 01:57.22 | gravity | fish1209: Just ask your question. If someone can help you they will |
| 01:57.53 | CharlesBrown | fish1209, I doubt anyone can help you..since you haven't asked a question. |
| 01:58.14 | dvs | fish1209: At least an understandable one. |
| 01:58.29 | dvs | 23 base images? What is that? |
| 01:58.31 | fish1209 | i`m installing debian woody on an old laptop i i`m at the stage of installing base images there are only 23 on the site but my laptop is asking for 24th image |
| 01:59.01 | kurumin_ | oi jony vc ta ai |
| 01:59.19 | dondelelcaro | take the .br to #debian-br, please. |
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| 01:59.33 | qcds | we dont support mexicans |
| 01:59.40 | flow | ouch |
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| 01:59.54 | CharlesBrown | brazilians aren't mexica |
| 01:59.55 | CharlesBrown | n |
| 01:59.57 | CharlesBrown | idiot |
| 02:00.01 | qcds | close enough |
| 02:00.02 | CharlesBrown | They don't even speak spanish. |
| 02:00.06 | CharlesBrown | They speak portugese. |
| 02:00.11 | fish1209 | Base System Images: |
| 02:00.11 | fish1209 | These are the base system floppy disk images. |
| 02:00.13 | gravity | qcds: Cut it out |
| 02:00.19 | CharlesBrown | Sorry everyone can't be an uncultured moron like you. |
| 02:00.35 | qcds | what can i say |
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| 02:00.43 | qcds | i spend 22 hours in my basement |
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| 02:02.22 | kurumin__ | khvhk |
| 02:02.36 | dvs | !ops kurumin__ is spewing junk |
| 02:02.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kurumin__ is spewing junk |
| 02:02.43 | kurumin__ | blz tio????? |
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| 02:02.50 | kurumin__ | tiooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 02:03.15 | dondelelcaro | dvs: I was watching... no need to abuse the ops factoid |
| 02:03.16 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
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| 02:03.51 | dvs | dondelelcaro: Sorry but he's been doing it for a while |
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| 02:05.43 | dondelelcaro | dvs: that's fine, but when someone who is +o has already warned them about it, and ops has been triggered a few minutes ago, there's no point in retriggering it |
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| 02:05.50 | abashuta | I just installed apache for the first time and I used ./configue for the default settings, now I dont know where Apache was installed so that I can try to run it. How do I solve this problem please? |
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| 02:06.20 | dvs | dondelelcaro: ops was triggered earlier? I missed that. I'm sorry then. |
| 02:06.33 | abashuta | That is, I dont know what directory I should go to in order to run 'apachect1 start' |
| 02:06.51 | dondelelcaro | abashuta: did you install the debian package? |
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| 02:07.26 | abashuta | oops, I dont know! I didnt know there was one I was just following the instructions on the apache2 website |
| 02:08.03 | dondelelcaro | abashuta: there's pretty much a Debian package for almost everything... in this case, I'd suggest just installing it, and then you can /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; or whatever you want to do |
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| 02:08.21 | jsturgis | is there a program that can grab your ip address without being root? |
| 02:08.25 | dondelelcaro | if there is an unstall script for the apache2 binary that you've got, use that first. |
| 02:08.31 | dondelelcaro | jsturgis: /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 02:09.29 | abashuta | Well on the Apache website it doesnt offer versions for each style of Debian is just has a single package that is supposed to work for unix... |
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| 02:09.41 | abashuta | style of linux I meant, not Debian |
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| 02:10.01 | dondelelcaro | abashuta: yes, but it won't play nicely with Debian's other packages. Just apt-get install apache2; |
| 02:10.10 | simonrvn_ | re-hi |
| 02:10.36 | abashuta | Okay, I've got to figure out how to uninstall now... |
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| 02:11.59 | Opiated | I went and bought a wireless mouse/key combo, works great, just that mouse is a bit too fast, even though i've set it to MIN acc. settings in the xfce settings |
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| 02:12.09 | Opiated | got me a nvidia gforce mx 2 card |
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| 02:12.24 | qcds | wireless stuff suck |
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| 02:12.49 | dondelelcaro | qcds: that's nice. Can you please stop making trolling statements? |
| 02:12.51 | dvs | qcds: And what are you using? |
| 02:13.11 | qcds | for what |
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| 02:13.38 | dvs | qcds: Your connection. |
| 02:13.39 | Opiated | i got two compaq minitowers, couple hdds, couple cdr/rw, a dvdr, couple 128mb ram chips, two barebones pcs, a 1.7ghz laptop |
| 02:13.39 | qcds | dondelelcaro do you just wait all day to say that |
| 02:13.45 | Opiated | all given to me by my professor |
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| 02:14.06 | green_earz | qcds: are you using string for your mouse connection ?? |
| 02:14.12 | Opiated | the laptop is a dell inspiron, but it has fedora on it, and i need to wipe it, but the the lcd keeps going black, i can hook up a monitor to it and thats cool |
| 02:14.21 | Opiated | so i got whole buncha of computer shit for free |
| 02:14.25 | dvs | green_earz: qcds is gone |
| 02:14.31 | Opiated | i can make 4 pcs out of it |
| 02:14.42 | green_earz | hho no |
| 02:14.48 | Opiated | and put a raid on all like /etc/ /usr/ and stuff on those 10 20gb hds i got |
| 02:14.51 | Opiated | im a happy camper |
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| 02:15.03 | abashuta | I dont see an uninstall I'm just going ahead with the debian install hoping it will work |
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| 02:16.03 | tvn | how to have xchat stop displaying the user has quit message ? |
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| 02:16.37 | abashuta | It didnt work - I think the old packages are interfering |
| 02:16.41 | Opiated | tvn, i don't know hot to do JUST the /quit message stopping, but i know /set irc_conf_mode 1 stops join/part/quit from showing |
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| 02:16.51 | dondelelcaro | abashuta: what is the error message you get? |
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| 02:17.05 | dondelelcaro | abashuta: (if it's > 2 lines, paste it into #flood) |
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| 02:17.38 | Opiated | dondelelcaro, stupid question, but is nvidia g-force 2 mx supported in debian? |
| 02:17.55 | tvn | Opiated: doesn't seem to work on Xchat |
| 02:17.55 | abashuta | I dont know how to paste, can I send a private message? |
| 02:17.58 | dondelelcaro | Opiated: I think the nv driver supports it, but I can't remember. |
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| 02:18.01 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 02:18.01 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
| 02:18.05 | dondelelcaro | abashuta: see above |
| 02:18.14 | Opiated | ok |
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| 02:19.20 | Opiated | so, its not going to conflict with the i810 onboard intel gfx chip? |
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| 02:19.43 | dondelelcaro | Opiated: it shouldn't... but I can't make an guarantees about that. |
| 02:19.50 | Opiated | ok |
| 02:20.05 | Opiated | how would I go about have a dual monitor setup using these two cards |
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| 02:20.29 | Opiated | i've never attempted such a thing, and google isn't proving to be much help atm |
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| 02:21.25 | dondelelcaro | Opiated: actually, google will be a lot of help. Basically you just need to get one card working, then the other, then combine the configs and use an xinerama stanza to stich them together. It's fairly straightforward |
| 02:21.42 | Opiated | oh ok |
| 02:21.48 | paster | "abashuta" at 63.227.209.252 pasted "Apache2 error Paste:" (3 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/11 |
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| 02:22.16 | Opiated | im gonna go upgrade a bit of ram, install the nvidia card |
| 02:22.18 | Opiated | brb |
| 02:22.28 | abashuta | I typed it all in by hand, not an actual paste. |
| 02:22.54 | dondelelcaro | abashuta: the actual error is somewhere above that. |
| 02:23.15 | dondelelcaro | abashuta: you should be able to select the text with the mouse and paste with the middle mouse button, or redirect the output to a file and paste that. |
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| 02:24.29 | abashuta | I see what you mean, I can select it with a mouse but not copy it, and I wouldnt know how to redirect anything unfortunately. |
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| 02:24.51 | dvs | abashuta: Selecting it is copying it in linux |
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| 02:26.31 | abisen | i have a routing question, i dont know wether it's the right place to ask ? but here it goes i was asked in an interview "How would you advertise IGP routes into EGP: by redistributing routes from IGP to EGP or via static network statements and Why" |
| 02:26.39 | danikata | hi all |
| 02:26.39 | abashuta | Its a little bit over my head, I have the error in one aterm in flux box, and am using Mozilla anyhow Mozilla doent have anything to 'paste' when I go there... I can just type it in by hand. |
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| 02:27.47 | danikata | is there any application that similar to winbox ? |
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| 02:28.08 | De_Mon_ | abashuta lartc would probably know more |
| 02:28.09 | [TACO] | anyone have any idea where to aquire the Legacy ISA soundcard/chips drivers, Also seems not be able to find them |
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| 02:28.32 | dvs | [TACO]: That should be built into the kernel |
| 02:28.45 | [TACO] | gonna check again, but not sure why its not |
| 02:29.12 | hanasaki | how can i tell if my kernel has usb keyboard support? i think it is suposed to but the keyboard is not working |
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| 02:29.31 | shingouz | [TACO]: there is no such driver as "legacy isa", you need to use the driver for the appropriate chipset, usually they are in OSS |
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| 02:29.53 | Guerin_ | alsa des have a bunch of old isa chipset drivers |
| 02:30.05 | abashuta | Its like 9 lines long plz bear with me while I type... |
| 02:30.13 | Guerin_ | which mostly suck massively and are a bastard to use |
| 02:30.43 | [TACO] | shingouz: whether it is or not alsa says it cannot find it |
| 02:30.58 | shingouz | what chip or card you have there? |
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| 02:31.53 | [TACO] | from the last check I had on it which was a while ago, I believe its an onboard, I know what modules work with it but for some reason it cannot find them. Thats why I believe dvs is right |
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| 02:32.09 | [TACO] | yup |
| 02:32.12 | [TACO] | its an onboard |
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| 02:32.23 | shingouz | so what is the card then. onboard is not a card or chipset |
| 02:32.38 | starscalling | so is there a gui based cd audio proggie for debain |
| 02:32.46 | starscalling | one i can just drag and drop |
| 02:32.53 | starscalling | or check to see if it will fit |
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| 02:33.00 | [TACO] | No, but usually its an unknown, and in order to find out I would need to bust the case |
| 02:33.00 | Guerin_ | WHAT fucking onboard? |
| 02:33.08 | Guerin_ | lspci |
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| 02:33.23 | starscalling | and is there one for burning dvd's that i can see if it will fit with too, so i dont have to type out all kinds of crap? |
| 02:33.23 | [TACO] | and before I go in with screw drivers shingouz, I would rather try modules that could take less time and heartache |
| 02:33.53 | Guerin_ | "WHat kind of car do you drive?" "A blue one with four wheels and red lights on the back..." |
| 02:34.03 | Guerin_ | starscalling: k3b |
| 02:34.07 | shingouz | [TACO]: you need to know the chipset at least. to get the proper settings you could try lspci and plug the values into the modprobe |
| 02:34.11 | dvs | [TACO]: try "lspci | grep audio" like Guerin_ says |
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| 02:34.26 | Guerin_ | always grep -i |
| 02:34.27 | [TACO] | thanks Guerin_, dvs |
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| 02:34.46 | [TACO] | however, it came back blank |
| 02:34.46 | abashuta | 5 lines to go, sorry I'm slow... |
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| 02:34.53 | Solet | does anyone know the command to kill the xserver? not restart it (ctrl-alt-back) but to stop it completely? |
| 02:35.08 | Guerin_ | [TACO]: don't grep then, just read the output |
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| 02:35.23 | Guerin_ | Solet: /etc/init.d/yourdmofchoice stop |
| 02:35.23 | shingouz | [TACO]: open the damn box then and check what chipset you have. and lose the ['s. please, hard to type |
| 02:35.29 | peterS | Solet: ctrl-alt-back *does* kill it |
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| 02:35.41 | peterS | Solet: just, xdm or gdm or whatever then restarts it, unless *it* is stopped too |
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| 02:36.05 | Solet | i want to completely stop all xserver/gui |
| 02:36.08 | [TACO] | shingouz: thats not going to rush the order, if you're going to get hostile over it maybe you should not be trying to help me. I've learned long ago its not something to get worked up about |
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| 02:36.16 | Solet | how do i make it NOT restart |
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| 02:36.24 | starscalling | k3b? |
| 02:36.31 | peterS | Solet: stop the display manager, as Guerin_ said. if you use xdm, /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
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| 02:37.31 | starscalling | interesting lol i got it in already |
| 02:37.56 | [TACO] | shingouz: do not get me wrong and assume I am not appretiative of your help, I am. |
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| 02:38.24 | shingouz | [TACO]: there is not a lot i can do to help you unless you know what the chipset is |
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| 02:39.10 | paster | "abashuta" at 63.227.209.252 pasted "Apache2 error Paste:" (13 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/12 |
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| 02:39.18 | [TACO] | shingouz: I know that, However, I like to see if its a lot more simple then just popping the case open. I perfer to check the kernel first now that I know where I can start thanks to dvs |
| 02:39.26 | starscalling | sweet |
| 02:39.27 | starscalling | thanx |
| 02:40.21 | dvs | [TACO]: I think that popping the case open would be the easiest way. |
| 02:40.32 | dvs | [TACO]: if lspci doesn't work. |
| 02:40.34 | [TACO] | dvs: duely noted |
| 02:41.02 | [TACO] | now that the attempt failed, I have no choice. |
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| 02:41.39 | abashuta | De_Mon: did you get that paste? |
| 02:41.48 | De_Mon | abashuta ? |
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| 02:42.05 | abashuta | De_Mon: about the apache2 error? |
| 02:42.12 | abashuta | dondelelcaro: did you see the paste? |
| 02:42.14 | scottj | when I do glxinfo it says 1.2 Mesa 6.2.1, which appears to be the latest version, but a game I want to play (glest) says it needs 1.3 or higher. Is that the opengl version #? how do I get mesa to use that? |
| 02:42.19 | De_Mon | ah :) |
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| 02:48.05 | lancey | hi guys! |
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| 02:48.17 | lancey | where is the proper place to add rules, so they get added on startup? |
| 02:48.55 | starscalling | ok! |
| 02:49.00 | starscalling | now if i have an iso |
| 02:49.10 | starscalling | can i burn that in a dvd program as data? |
| 02:49.22 | dvs | starscalling: Check the md5 sum first. |
| 02:49.27 | starscalling | er huh? |
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| 02:49.30 | shingouz | starscalling: no, you burn it as an image |
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| 02:49.51 | hanasaki | should a usb keyboard have power even if its not supported in the kernel? |
| 02:49.59 | starscalling | ok ive established that i have the k3b proggie |
| 02:50.07 | starscalling | can i use that to burn an image? |
| 02:50.18 | shingouz | starscalling: yes |
| 02:50.33 | starscalling | what mode is that |
| 02:50.37 | dvs | starscalling: Yes but check the md5 sum first. k3b will automatically calculate the value for you. |
| 02:50.48 | starscalling | ummm... |
| 02:50.51 | starscalling | ok? |
| 02:50.57 | starscalling | how do i do that? |
| 02:51.01 | lancey | anyone knows where should i add routes i want to get added on startup? |
| 02:51.04 | zyg | i am not sure that it is safe to open a telnet server,could somebody help me? |
| 02:51.17 | lancey | zyg you'd better use sshd |
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| 02:51.25 | dvs | starscalling: There should be an MD5SUM file in the same place you downloaded the iso file from. Make sure the value match |
| 02:51.55 | starscalling | oh i need to get a md5sum proggie for debian then |
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| 02:52.16 | zyg | oh,sshd,let me find it |
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| 02:52.20 | dvs | starscalling: you probably already have it |
| 02:52.24 | starscalling | haha probably |
| 02:52.49 | starscalling | the guy that set me up put like everything ive asked about in so far.. i just have to ask what to use and sometimes how >.< |
| 02:52.56 | starscalling | [he's not online atm sorry] |
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| 02:53.10 | [TACO] | shingouz: intel 815 chipset |
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| 02:53.16 | starscalling | ok i found a thing for burning images ^_^ |
| 02:53.20 | starscalling | menu options rule |
| 02:53.28 | starscalling | now let me see here......... |
| 02:53.29 | shingouz | [TACO]: i doubt that is the chipset for the sound though |
| 02:53.31 | scott | anyone know what's up with Mesa version #s? I apparently have the latest version, 6.2.1, but when I do glxinfo it gives me "1.2 Mesa 6.2.1" What does the 1.2 mean? is that the opengl version #? how do I get 1.3? |
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| 02:54.05 | [TACO] | probably not but its the only chip other the SMSC I see on it |
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| 02:54.53 | shingouz | [TACO]: get isapnptools and try with them if the sound is not pci in the first place |
| 02:55.15 | [TACO] | its not PCI |
| 02:55.36 | dvs | so.... |
| 02:55.43 | [TACO] | its not even a seperate card, the jacks for the sound are directly soldered to the motherboard |
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| 02:55.53 | shingouz | pliers.. i need pliers |
| 02:56.08 | [TACO] | not only that alsa never found it as an PCI |
| 02:56.12 | ethics | [TACO] : 815s came in 3 types.....815 = onboard vid and sound 815E= onboard vid only 815ep = no onboards.... |
| 02:56.14 | dvs | [TACO]: my onboard soundcard shows up as PCI |
| 02:56.24 | starscalling | now using file roller when i have say 50 .rar's and i try to extract what is inside i find that it doesnt' extract right at times... |
| 02:56.26 | [TACO] | mine doesn't |
| 02:56.41 | starscalling | im trying one again lol |
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| 02:56.45 | shingouz | starscalling: where the hell did you download that iso then? |
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| 02:57.25 | [TACO] | ethics: it has Video and sound |
| 02:57.59 | [TACO] | I have an AGP slot for video, but I see the same slot coming off the motherboard and the image representing it has a monitor, I can only assume and it seems obvious |
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| 02:58.15 | starscalling | hahaha |
| 02:58.28 | [TACO] | So from what you said its 815, no E or ep |
| 02:58.29 | starscalling | lets just say its a remote backup of a movie? |
| 02:58.30 | starscalling | >_> |
| 02:58.39 | shingouz | starscalling: i see... |
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| 02:58.44 | starscalling | torrents and all that |
| 02:58.45 | ethics | [TACO] pretty sure it's ac97 sound but im trying to check atm |
| 02:58.49 | [TACO] | it is |
| 02:58.56 | shingouz | those you have to extract and burn as data... |
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| 02:59.12 | starscalling | it extracts to a .img |
| 02:59.16 | [TACO] | I know that for a fact because the old drivers I used before upgrading the kernel had ac97 driver modules |
| 02:59.21 | starscalling | just burn as data? |
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| 02:59.26 | [TACO] | without them they would not work |
| 02:59.29 | starscalling | you know |
| 02:59.36 | dvs | [TACO]: Then try "modprobe i810_audio" as root |
| 02:59.36 | shingouz | starscalling: umm.. an img sounds like an iso to me but i could be wrong |
| 02:59.43 | ethics | [TACO] |
| 02:59.48 | [TACO] | let me boot it back up, and get the list, it should help you |
| 02:59.53 | [TACO] | thats one of them |
| 03:00.00 | starscalling | im still trying to figure out why they spend 47.7mb * 94 rars to make a 2gb img |
| 03:00.10 | starscalling | dam dumb arsed encoders |
| 03:00.10 | ethics | [TACO]: i remember something about 815s having weird DMA/IRQs but its a while back...back in 2.2. kernels |
| 03:00.13 | shingouz | starscalling: because they are morons? |
| 03:00.30 | [TACO] | ethics: I had 2.4.18-bf2.4 and 2.4.22 |
| 03:00.35 | starscalling | yeah |
| 03:00.42 | starscalling | i think you might just have something there |
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| 03:01.14 | shingouz | starscalling: i have seen umpteen rars tarred together. idiots :) |
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| 03:01.27 | starscalling | lol |
| 03:01.29 | starscalling | yeah |
| 03:01.32 | slocate | is there any way to load a module w/o putting it /etc/modules? |
| 03:01.38 | starscalling | tha'ts the worse |
| 03:01.42 | shingouz | slocate: modprobe |
| 03:01.45 | starscalling | *that's **worst |
| 03:01.52 | starscalling | got to unrar twice and crap |
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| 03:02.02 | slocate | automaticly!!! |
| 03:02.07 | starscalling | ive seriously considered doing a few propers lol |
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| 03:02.20 | shingouz | starscalling: uhh.. unrar twice? there is a thing called tar in *nix |
| 03:02.44 | starscalling | yeah i was running windows untill a week and a half ago or something |
| 03:03.00 | dvs | starscalling: we forgive you |
| 03:03.06 | shingouz | hrmph. luckily you have seen the errors of your ways, starscalling |
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| 03:03.31 | [TACO] | ethics: while booting up, from your knowledge I'm assuming you've used 815 chipsets before correct? |
| 03:04.03 | ethics | <starscalling>: anyone whos used windows in the last 2 weeks should be happy to unrar 2 times....at least you dont have to reboot inbetween unrars.. |
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| 03:04.13 | [TACO] | ethics: i810_audio not found |
| 03:04.15 | Roey | hey all |
| 03:04.17 | shingouz | ethics: woo :) |
| 03:04.20 | [TACO] | gonna go back to kernel |
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| 03:04.27 | Roey | anyone using the Alioth KDE 3.4.0 preview debs? |
| 03:04.33 | De_Mon | I hate ethics |
| 03:04.38 | Roey | How do you set up the pinning priority for them? |
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| 03:04.43 | starscalling | lol ethicks |
| 03:04.47 | starscalling | *ethics |
| 03:04.51 | ethics | all: mwahahahah |
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| 03:04.58 | Roey | snugglemonk: yo |
| 03:05.00 | starscalling | i think |
| 03:05.12 | starscalling | im going to have to add this chan to my permanent idle >_< |
| 03:05.17 | starscalling | hahahaha i know shit! |
| 03:05.19 | stew | [TACO]: what kernel are you running? |
| 03:05.25 | shingouz | starscalling: another nice trick, you can use tab to complete commands (and nicks on irc) |
| 03:05.28 | snugglemonk | Roey: already asked in here? |
| 03:05.29 | drini_ | roey: I do |
| 03:05.30 | [TACO] | 2.6.11 |
| 03:05.36 | drini_ | it works like a charm EXCEPT kdm |
| 03:05.37 | starscalling | er |
| 03:05.41 | drini_ | which is broken, you'd have to use xdm |
| 03:05.43 | ethics | all: since ive upgraded to debian ive found many useless items in my computer......Power switches, reset buttons windows keys... |
| 03:05.45 | starscalling | oh my |
| 03:05.47 | De_Mon | starscalling what did you know? |
| 03:05.55 | Roey | drini_: oh, ok |
| 03:05.57 | starscalling | shit mostly de_mon |
| 03:06.01 | stew | [TACO]: you compiled your own kernel? |
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| 03:06.09 | [TACO] | stew: yes |
| 03:06.10 | starscalling | kinda a what/who thing XD |
| 03:06.11 | Roey | drini_: did you have to change the pinning priority at all so that those packages would install right? |
| 03:06.12 | De_Mon | starscalling and you're proud of that acomplishemtn? |
| 03:06.18 | starscalling | hmm |
| 03:06.22 | [TACO] | going through its config again looking for i810 and ac97 |
| 03:06.24 | starscalling | well considering that |
| 03:06.26 | drini_ | I use unstable, I just added the repo, and upgraded |
| 03:06.28 | drini_ | nothing else to do |
| 03:06.33 | starscalling | id have to say that im not ashamed of it |
| 03:06.36 | stew | [TACO]: any reason why you are compiling instead of just apt-getting a kernel? |
| 03:06.37 | De_Mon | ethics what happened to all those items? they arn't useless in my debian system |
| 03:07.04 | stew | [TACO]: what version of debian? |
| 03:07.17 | drini_ | the win keys are pretty useful, the more keyboard modifiers, the better |
| 03:07.17 | Roey | drini_: it's not installing over here |
| 03:07.18 | drini_ | ;) |
| 03:07.24 | Roey | drini_: you're using the kde 3.4.0 preview debs??? |
| 03:07.27 | [TACO] | sid |
| 03:07.29 | drini_ | ok, I'll show you my sources.list on a private window |
| 03:07.37 | starscalling | is there a mirc command accepting for scripting purposes irc client? |
| 03:07.49 | myren | if i write a shell script, how do i execute something and have it affect environmental parameters? |
| 03:07.50 | starscalling | i know how to do a little in mirc and NOTHING in xchat |
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| 03:08.02 | starscalling | i dont even know what it uses for half my stuff |
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| 03:08.09 | ethics | De_mon: well the reset button and powerbutton got removed so i can put some more fans in front....power hnging inside the system but i have wake on lan/wake on spacebar |
| 03:08.11 | myren | i'm trying to run another shell script and have that shell script change some variables |
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| 03:08.21 | starscalling | and when ppl use a black background for scripts then im fuxxored i cant see shyt... |
| 03:08.34 | [TACO] | shingouz: I already know what I have gotten myself into, I accept the fact its unstable |
| 03:08.39 | starscalling | its to the point where i might as well strip all codes >.< |
| 03:08.44 | stew | [TACO]: why not apt-get a kenrel? |
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| 03:09.05 | starscalling | omfg |
| 03:09.22 | [TACO] | stew: I did, I had 2.4.18-bf2.4, however, I chose to build my own this time, I do not mind the challenge |
| 03:09.23 | starscalling | so the rar that fileroller says is 2gb extracts to like 4.3 >.< |
| 03:09.30 | myren | :/ |
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| 03:09.56 | stew | [TACO]: uhh, you haven't read the install guide for woody yet, and you're running sid, good luck to you |
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| 03:10.11 | [TACO] | stew: heh, thanks |
| 03:10.19 | ethics | starscalling: just so you know 4.3 is a DVD-r ....depending on what they isoed with you may actually have a padded file... |
| 03:10.33 | stew | [TACO]: you realize bf24 is an install kenrel only meant to get you far enough to apt-get a real kernel? |
| 03:10.43 | ethics | starscalling: Xbox iso makers do that sort of thing |
| 03:10.52 | starscalling | oh i see |
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| 03:11.04 | starscalling | so its 2gb of real data and 4.3 to fill the disk |
| 03:11.05 | starscalling | well |
| 03:11.06 | [TACO] | stew: yeah, I just never bothered changing till now |
| 03:11.08 | starscalling | lets try this |
| 03:11.14 | abrotman | stew: !real kernel :) |
| 03:11.20 | stew | yeah |
| 03:11.31 | ethics | starscalling: just out of curiosity what you doing? |
| 03:11.44 | stew | ethics: he's pirating movies |
| 03:11.51 | starscalling | hmm options: data mode, or burn dvd-iso image |
| 03:11.55 | starscalling | stew |
| 03:12.01 | starscalling | i like to think of it as remote backups |
| 03:12.04 | starscalling | <_< |
| 03:12.08 | ethics | dvd iso |
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| 03:12.14 | starscalling | ok |
| 03:12.20 | ethics | i like to think of it as entertainment |
| 03:12.24 | starscalling | but the extraction is .img |
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| 03:12.30 | starscalling | that should still work in k3b? |
| 03:12.41 | pngwn | i like to think of it as off topic |
| 03:13.08 | starscalling | heh |
| 03:13.16 | starscalling | its being done in debian..... |
| 03:14.06 | starscalling | oooooooooooo it calculates the md5 as it assimilates it |
| 03:14.14 | dvs | starscalling: told you |
| 03:14.20 | starscalling | so what is it bothering to do that for? just error correction? |
| 03:14.32 | starscalling | *checking? |
| 03:14.35 | dvs | starscalling: to make sure that the image is OK before you burn it |
| 03:15.01 | starscalling | to make sure its ok? |
| 03:15.08 | starscalling | what does a md5 have to do with it? |
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| 03:15.15 | starscalling | what i mean is |
| 03:15.20 | stew | !tell starscalling about enter |
| 03:15.22 | starscalling | is it caching it? |
| 03:15.32 | dvs | starscalling: to make sure that the image you have is the same image that was originally created |
| 03:16.19 | ethics | <starscalling: md5 is a calculation ....sorta like a security seal...if the number matches the website then you have a good copy...if the number is different something isnt correct in the file |
| 03:16.39 | [TACO] | stew: the modules I had used before when it worked was, ac97_codec, ac97, i910_audio, sound |
| 03:16.42 | starscalling | um, i understand what its usually used for, but i dont have the original md5, so in this case its useless right? |
| 03:16.47 | [TACO] | stew: just need to get them back |
| 03:16.50 | dvs | i910_audio? |
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| 03:17.01 | [TACO] | correction |
| 03:17.01 | abrotman | 810? |
| 03:17.04 | [TACO] | i810_audio |
| 03:17.06 | [TACO] | thanks |
| 03:17.24 | ethics | <starscalling: yeah but if it doesnt work you will have to go look at the website and confirm its not a download issue |
| 03:17.30 | stew | [TACO]: you already know my suggestion, apt-get a debian kernel; install hotplug and discover1 while you are at it |
| 03:17.49 | starscalling | yeah i got you then ^_^ |
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| 03:17.56 | [TACO] | stew: discover1, different from discover ? |
| 03:18.15 | starscalling | i figured that id just burn one this way, and if it didn't work try another method, like data lol |
| 03:18.20 | ethics | TACO |
| 03:18.27 | ethics | taco: same i beleive |
| 03:18.35 | [TACO] | sound is working now |
| 03:18.37 | [TACO] | thanks guys |
| 03:18.56 | [TACO] | all I had to do was add the intel8x0 to kernel and then run alsa |
| 03:19.32 | ethics | ahh well that would sorta make sense....as it's in the same chip it needs to know where it is in the architecture // |
| 03:19.52 | [TACO] | thanks ethics, dvs, shingouz and stew :) |
| 03:19.58 | shingouz | starscalling: if you have rw disks there, use one of them instead of an are just in case |
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| 03:20.13 | starscalling | heh i wish i did... well here goes it |
| 03:20.15 | shingouz | s/are/r |
| 03:20.17 | [TACO] | ethics: I thought so as well, so I checked again, and it was listed under PCI, so you were right |
| 03:20.20 | starscalling | i got 75 of em atm anyway |
| 03:20.28 | shingouz | oh |
| 03:20.28 | ethics | taco: perhap the name should be updated.......intel 800series ...rather than 8x0 |
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| 03:20.41 | [TACO] | ethics: perhaps |
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| 03:21.30 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 03:21.47 | De_Mon | mwilson problem? |
| 03:21.49 | [TACO] | ethics: I've learned with SID I do not come here looking for definate solutions, just possible ones. SID in some cases is asking for trouble and its unstable for a reason, Already know what water I am in :) |
| 03:22.27 | abrotman | Sid |
| 03:22.29 | abrotman | not SID |
| 03:22.38 | gravity | Why on earth do people insist on capitalizing everything they can? |
| 03:22.38 | De_Mon | what about sid? |
| 03:22.41 | gravity | Like their last names |
| 03:22.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:22.48 | [TACO] | abrotman: you already knew what I ment |
| 03:22.50 | drini_ | I Don'T Know |
| 03:22.51 | De_Mon | gravity its a grammer rule thing |
| 03:22.54 | abrotman | gravity: what you SAY ? .. make your TIME! |
| 03:23.05 | abrotman | grammar |
| 03:23.05 | gravity | heh |
| 03:23.16 | gravity | De_Mon: What grammar? |
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| 03:24.22 | De_Mon | gravity huh? English grammer, its a rule. There are ?6? instances capitilization are proper. Didn't you go to school? |
| 03:24.35 | abrotman | De_Mon: grammar .. not grammer |
| 03:24.35 | gravity | De_Mon: I mean like every letter |
| 03:24.47 | gravity | De_Mon: SID. DE_MON. DEBIAN. SARGE. etc |
| 03:24.52 | myren | how do i make it so killing my window manager doesnt make me loose the session? as it stands, the session disconnects & gdm logon screen shows up |
| 03:24.53 | abrotman | why do i even bother ... |
| 03:25.01 | ethics | taco: living life on the edge....sarge is still somewhat a learning thing for me....i came from a heavy hardware background... |
| 03:25.02 | abrotman | lose |
| 03:25.05 | abrotman | ack .. stop me |
| 03:25.11 | De_Mon | Hey I'm a grammer expert not a spelling genuis |
| 03:25.18 | abrotman | GRAMMAR!! |
| 03:25.20 | abrotman | fucking christ |
| 03:25.26 | abrotman | it's AR . not ER |
| 03:25.28 | gravity | De_Mon: Yeah... expert |
| 03:25.29 | [TACO] | ethics: I just wanted the ocean, not some kiddy pool windows gave me |
| 03:25.30 | abrotman | it's not hard |
| 03:25.42 | [TACO] | ethics: I find its better for development as well |
| 03:25.56 | bucky | yeah.. ex-spurt |
| 03:25.56 | De_Mon | eubonics are my friend. |
| 03:26.01 | abrotman | ebonics |
| 03:26.05 | De_Mon | stfu! |
| 03:26.11 | [TACO] | De_Mon: if I were you, which I am not, I would have stopped this argument when I had spelled the word grammar wrong three times. |
| 03:26.16 | ethics | abrotman: grammer = guy who divides marijuana ito grams....grammar = guy who puts dots and squiggles between words? |
| 03:26.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:26.52 | De_Mon | ohh its too much fun, I heart trolling |
| 03:26.52 | strobedream | ahh so now we know who writes all the annoying comments that have such horrid spelling |
| 03:26.52 | gravity | De_Mon: But you're so very bad at it |
| 03:26.53 | abrotman | or you are entirely too stupid to IRC |
| 03:27.17 | strobedream | ha ha this is funny |
| 03:27.22 | [TACO] | De_Mon: I've learned not to care about things so stupid as that, I do not resorte to insults either. Its actually made life a lot easier too |
| 03:27.27 | abrotman | funny how? |
| 03:27.33 | abrotman | resort |
| 03:27.38 | abrotman | it's |
| 03:27.40 | abrotman | :) |
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| 03:28.16 | De_Mon | [TACO] argument? is that what you'd call this silly conversation, seems more like entertainment |
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| 03:28.29 | stew | s/,/./ |
| 03:28.39 | ethics | well it's better than working so yeah entertainment could apply |
| 03:28.50 | [TACO] | De_Mon: doesn't matter what you call it, its how others see it |
| 03:28.59 | abrotman | stew: still would be missing a subject :) |
| 03:29.00 | dondelelcaro | stew: a ? really, but regardless, this whole thing has gone on too long. |
| 03:29.15 | [TACO] | De_Mon: its another example of the tomatoe pronuciation idea |
| 03:29.16 | tsystemsc | Does apache2+php4 work on Sarge? |
| 03:29.24 | abrotman | tsystemsc: yes |
| 03:29.28 | ethics | yup |
| 03:29.29 | dondelelcaro | tsystemsc: as much as apach2+php4 works, yes. |
| 03:29.34 | [TACO] | De_Mon: how you see it is not always how everyone else saw it |
| 03:29.36 | ethics | well as well as it did on woody |
| 03:29.44 | De_Mon | [TACO] but, doesn't that work both ways? |
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| 03:29.46 | dondelelcaro | [TACO], De_Mon: take the sparing elsewhere please. |
| 03:29.50 | stew | oh, i mean that for [TACO]'s two sentences |
| 03:29.58 | [TACO] | stew: heh |
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| 03:30.06 | tsystemsc | It's not processing the php files. Do I need to active a mod? |
| 03:30.33 | ethics | check your apache conf for php mods |
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| 03:30.45 | dondelelcaro | tsystemsc: you either haven't loaded the module (check /etc/apache2/modules.conf) you haven't set the proper AddType, or your mime.types is screwed. |
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| 03:31.40 | abrotman | or loaded the wrong apache2 type |
| 03:31.48 | abrotman | since iirc . they dont' all work with apache2 |
| 03:32.02 | tsystemsc | add type is set, but I don't see what php mod to load. |
| 03:32.13 | dondelelcaro | yes, there is a fundamental difference between libapache2-mod-php4 and libapache-mod-php4 |
| 03:32.30 | tsystemsc | in apache 1.3 it was libphp4.so |
| 03:32.35 | dondelelcaro | tsystemsc: look in /etc/apache2/modules.conf; if there is no php4 line, it hasn't been loaded. |
| 03:33.13 | tsystemsc | there is no modules.conf |
| 03:33.14 | abrotman | modules-available? |
| 03:33.37 | [TACO] | never used apache2, no comment :) |
| 03:33.46 | dondelelcaro | tsystemsc: it's /etc/apache2/modules-available and /etc/apache2/modules-enabled |
| 03:33.57 | dondelelcaro | (the latter being symlinks to the former) |
| 03:33.59 | tsystemsc | there is no file wilth php in the name in modules-available |
| 03:34.12 | dondelelcaro | tsystemsc: then you haven't installed libapache2-mod-ph4 |
| 03:34.17 | dondelelcaro | s/h4/hp4/ |
| 03:34.30 | tsystemsc | So I figured I need to create a php.load file, but don't know what file to load. |
| 03:34.39 | abrotman | php.load? |
| 03:34.46 | dondelelcaro | tsystemsc: no, you don't. You need to install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 03:35.10 | [TACO] | tsystemsc: all I can suggest is `locate php4 | grep -i apache' |
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| 03:35.37 | dondelelcaro | !+find php4.load |
| 03:35.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'php4.load' (1): (/etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.load) in web/libapache2-mod-php4. |
| 03:36.00 | robgood | quit |
| 03:36.03 | dondelelcaro | viola |
| 03:36.25 | tsystemsc | dondelelcaro: Thanks, I obviously missed any documentation that states that. |
| 03:36.48 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i've never seen that file :) |
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| 03:37.08 | abrotman | nor messed with it |
| 03:37.12 | dondelelcaro | tsystemsc: /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.etc; but the php4 thing you just have to know, it's in the package description. |
| 03:37.35 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you really shouldn't ever need to, since it's just there so that the module does the right thing without fucking with config files when it's installed |
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| 03:39.53 | tsystemsc | That did it. Thanks for the help. |
| 03:39.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah .. i figured as much .. considering almost every sarge box i have has apache2 and php4 :) |
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| 03:40.48 | stew | i still haven't ever bothered installing apache2 yet |
| 03:40.56 | tsystemsc | Is there another package I need to install for apache2 + mysql? |
| 03:41.13 | stew | tsystemsc: php4-mysql? |
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| 03:41.44 | abrotman | stew: mod_mysql ? .. does it even exist? |
| 03:41.44 | samuel | hello all |
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| 03:42.23 | stew | !find mod_mysql |
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| 03:42.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mod_mysql' (1): (/usr/share/doc/proftpd-doc/mod_mysql.txt) in doc/proftpd-doc. |
| 03:42.34 | stew | that's a no |
| 03:42.37 | ethics | anyone ever tried to get oracle forms working under debian.... |
| 03:42.38 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:44.37 | grigor1 | hi, my apache user has /bin/false as its default shell, and I am trying to configure sudo to allow the apache user to execute a shell script as root, but keep getting authentication failure errors, i have apache localhost = NOPASSWD: /path/to/script in my /etc/sudoers, anyone knows why this is happening? does it have to do with apache's default shell being /bin/false? |
| 03:46.19 | felipe_ | ethics check this |
| 03:46.24 | felipe_ | http://changux.homelinux.org/oraforms_linux_es.html |
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| 03:46.43 | felipe_ | that document is in spanish |
| 03:46.58 | felipe_ | but hope to be useful for you |
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| 03:47.28 | smacnay | I am trying to get saned up and running and see that in /var/log/syslog there are lines like "Apr 7 23:41:41 smacnay inetd[31759]: getpwnam: saned:saned: No such user" - this after restarting inetd. there is a 'saned' user and a 'saned' group. I am not sure what 'getpwnm' is but am guessing it has to do with passwords? |
| 03:47.30 | felipe_ | um...it does under red hat |
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| 03:47.51 | felipe_ | but i ve read theres some patches to make work it on debian |
| 03:47.58 | felipe_ | try google |
| 03:48.20 | grigor1 | any takers? |
| 03:48.47 | LoneWlf | has anyone ever run into a problem with /usr/sbin/zic on an install of libc6? my apt-get is borked because libc6 won't upgrade and I've identified that the file /usr/sbin/zic will not be removed, touched or moved. No processes I can identify are using it... I can't figure this out... |
| 03:49.27 | LoneWlf | what'd you say grigor1, I missed it |
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| 03:50.03 | Gumby | if I have an os installed on a usb hard drive that shows up as hda in linux, and I create a grub entry with "root (sd0,4)" and I leave the vmlinuz and initrd on hda1... will this boot without any extra modules being compiled into the kernel. |
| 03:50.28 | Gumby | sorry, that should be "sda in linux" |
| 03:50.33 | Kamel | there's only one disk for the dvd distro of debian 3.0r4 right? |
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| 03:52.44 | strobedream | Kamel: I havn't ever seen more then one disk on the DVD |
| 03:53.27 | Kamel | ok, just making sure it was all here |
| 03:53.32 | Kamel | tnx |
| 03:54.17 | starscalling | why would k3b say that it wrote 4447 of 4451 MB of data |
| 03:54.29 | starscalling | its still verifying..... but it did that eject then check thing |
| 03:54.38 | drini_ | one thing I've noticed, data does not take the same space on a cdr than on hard disk |
| 03:54.41 | starscalling | does it write a closer after the verification process? |
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| 03:57.21 | DuckTales | Where can I get good rss feed on debian/sarge news....and other open source stuff? |
| 03:58.14 | simonrvn | planet.d.o |
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| 03:58.46 | gravity | Yay planet! |
| 03:58.53 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 04:02.25 | Gumby | if I have vmlinuz and initrd located on a ide drive, is that enough to be able to boot a distro from a serial drive? |
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| 04:03.34 | starscalling | jebuz |
| 04:04.03 | starscalling | why does burning then md5ing take so much longer than nero burn and check? |
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| 04:04.16 | starscalling | is the nero version just a crc check? |
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| 04:07.08 | Guerin_ | ask ahead |
| 04:07.16 | individuality | hi, do you know how to activate php4 with apache2 ? |
| 04:07.32 | Guerin_ | individuality: apt-get install libapache2-php4? |
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| 04:07.41 | individuality | Guerin_ thx! |
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| 04:08.37 | Guerin_ | madclicker: why are you messaging me? |
| 04:08.41 | individuality | libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 04:09.11 | Guerin_ | oh yeah |
| 04:09.12 | Guerin_ | mod |
| 04:09.32 | Nurbs | might require an a2enmod...? |
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| 04:11.06 | Chrissy2k5 | hey can anyone tell me how i wud like install this MTA Server .. i have a file called MTAServer0_5-linux-installer.bin but i duno what to do with it like how to open it |
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| 04:12.25 | raf256 | !kiss me |
| 04:12.29 | raf256 | !blow me |
| 04:12.34 | raf256 | ok, just checking |
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| 04:12.53 | DDustin | whats up? |
| 04:12.55 | raf256 | !blow DDustin |
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| 04:13.02 | raf256 | good owrk on XUI DDustin \o/ |
| 04:13.06 | raf256 | *work |
| 04:13.06 | DDustin | heh, thanks |
| 04:13.17 | raf256 | we should get outr bot to do that too ;) |
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| 04:14.06 | Guerin_ | raf256: do you think you could pretend you're older than 12 |
| 04:14.33 | raf256 | Guerin_: well, I could try... |
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| 04:14.36 | stew | Chrissy2k5: is there a reason you don't just apt-get install an MTA? |
| 04:14.43 | felipe_ | hello Fernanda, where are you from ? |
| 04:15.01 | stew | Chrissy2k5: did that bin not come with any instructions at all? |
| 04:15.14 | stew | Chrissy2k5: you might look at the first line and see if its a shell script |
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| 04:15.55 | bob2 | Chrissy2k5: I wouldn't do that |
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| 04:17.10 | madclicker | thanks Guerin_ |
| 04:17.14 | warwon | Hello everyone I'm currently using Gnome, there's a defaulted clock installed along with the gnome package, in the help menu it says there's a option to right click on the clock the time, anyways I can't change the time since there is no option such as that, how would I go about correcting the time? since it's drivng me nuts :P |
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| 04:17.24 | madclicker | took a while |
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| 04:17.49 | raf256 | warwon: You need to be root to change the time |
| 04:17.56 | madclicker | why is it silencing when logged in as root? |
| 04:17.58 | raf256 | warwon: look up commends like AFAIR hwclock clock time |
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| 04:18.10 | bob2 | warwon: date -s is the command you want |
| 04:18.18 | Guerin_ | because anyone ircing as root needs to be silenced permanently |
| 04:18.26 | madclicker | lol |
| 04:18.49 | raf256 | Guerin_: actually, isnt this a bit of urban legend now? IRC programs are secure nowdays (or some of them) |
| 04:18.54 | DarknessX | hey -- I'm having an issue with exim4 on my box -- when I ran apt-get upgrade, I got this long config file, and then dpkg just stops. I had to kill apt to get rid of it, it now shows up on startup (where an Esc. or ctrl+D will get rid of it). |
| 04:19.03 | warwon | -s okay |
| 04:19.06 | warwon | let me try that |
| 04:19.11 | DarknessX | but I can't run dpkg or apt with this particular issue |
| 04:19.11 | chealer | felipe_: this isn't a dating channel |
| 04:19.20 | Guerin_ | raf256: you are so fucking full of shit it's not funny |
| 04:19.32 | Guerin_ | jesus |
| 04:19.35 | Guerin_ | I'm speechless |
| 04:19.40 | madclicker | Guerin_: would be nice if they mention that in the greeting |
| 04:19.49 | raf256 | Guerin_: thank You for kind enlightment, but can You pretend You are capable of givin an meritoric answare? |
| 04:19.54 | stew | raf256: /msg dpkg why is bitchx not in testing |
| 04:19.58 | bob2 | DarknessX: did you check the bts? |
| 04:20.16 | DarknessX | bob2: I did yesterday, didn't find anything |
| 04:20.18 | madclicker | Guerin_: imagine this, i am stuck in console mode cause that is all i got |
| 04:20.18 | Guerin_ | i have to go teach a class of 6th-graders basic greetings now, and it's going to be an intellectual step up |
| 04:20.22 | DarknessX | maybe I didn't look hard enough, though. |
| 04:20.38 | Guerin_ | madclicker: you should have gotten a message from one or more bots telling you in strong terms to not irc as root |
| 04:20.46 | Guerin_ | anyway |
| 04:20.48 | Guerin_ | I'm off |
| 04:20.53 | madclicker | ciao |
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| 04:21.18 | madclicker | thank g_d for lynx :) |
| 04:21.35 | raf256 | ok so bitchx do have remote bugs/exploits/grave bugs, ok... but other IRC clients? |
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| 04:21.49 | DarknessX | bob2: would such a bug be under exim4 or apt-get? |
| 04:22.00 | DuckTales | raf256, xchat 2.4.3 |
| 04:22.04 | DuckTales | has tons of exploits |
| 04:22.05 | bob2 | DarknessX: one of the 5000 exim4 packages |
| 04:22.17 | madclicker | wnat about ircii? |
| 04:22.52 | madclicker | how do i find out who is the admin on the chat? |
| 04:23.11 | raf256 | so with clients dont have? can I assume clients that are in sarge are secure? In example Konversation? |
| 04:23.22 | bob2 | madclicker: "admin on the chat?? |
| 04:23.36 | starscalling | ducktales |
| 04:23.36 | gravity | bob2: Yeah, he was bugging me earlier |
| 04:23.38 | drini_ | how do I block a specific set of ips (like 5 ips) from accessing my webserver? do I need iptables? or perhaps there's a simpler way |
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| 04:23.41 | madclicker | bob2: yeah on this channel |
| 04:23.45 | starscalling | what other clients are there for irc then |
| 04:23.50 | bob2 | madclicker: you mean the channel operators? |
| 04:23.50 | C17H21NO4 | For some reason, that I cannot track down, the init script for gdm is not creating the pid file. I get an error when changing run levels that gdm isn't running. |
| 04:23.54 | starscalling | bitchx seems kinda crap >.< |
| 04:23.58 | raf256 | drini_: perhaps /etc/host.deny? |
| 04:24.01 | deadcat | starscalling: irssi |
| 04:24.03 | bob2 | drini_: iptables is probably the simplest way |
| 04:24.04 | DuckTales | starscalling, irssi is safe |
| 04:24.05 | starscalling | ummm |
| 04:24.08 | madclicker | bob2: i read that the name that has "@" in front of it |
| 04:24.17 | DuckTales | safer_ |
| 04:24.19 | starscalling | apt-get install irssi ? |
| 04:24.23 | DuckTales | yea |
| 04:24.25 | deadcat | starscalling: try it |
| 04:24.27 | raf256 | DuckTales: how can I check if konversaion is? |
| 04:24.30 | drini_ | I'll look it up the host.deny method, since iptables always confused me |
| 04:24.43 | DuckTales | haha |
| 04:24.46 | DuckTales | If it starts with a k.. |
| 04:24.48 | DuckTales | You don't use it. |
| 04:24.52 | raf256 | http://www.google.com/search?q=konversation+exploit holly cow ;) |
| 04:24.54 | DuckTales | That's the rule of thumb. |
| 04:25.13 | bob2 | madclicker: no |
| 04:25.18 | bob2 | madclicker: that's only when they're doing things |
| 04:25.20 | madclicker | how do i see user list in console mode? |
| 04:25.21 | starscalling | Package irssi is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 04:25.22 | starscalling | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 04:25.22 | starscalling | is only available from another source |
| 04:25.22 | starscalling | E: Package irssi has no installation candidate |
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| 04:25.26 | starscalling | what does that mean? |
| 04:25.27 | drini_ | hosts.deny seems to blovk all trafic, I just want to block webserver (port 80) |
| 04:25.29 | starscalling | crap >.< |
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| 04:25.34 | starscalling | sorry! |
| 04:25.43 | timo | starscalling, you want to install irssi-text |
| 04:25.44 | deadcat | starscalling: irssi-text |
| 04:25.51 | starscalling | o.O |
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| 04:26.10 | raf256 | arent programs in sarge secure? I thought programs with grave security bugs shouldnt be in sarge? |
| 04:26.20 | deadcat | raf256: no. |
| 04:26.32 | deadcat | grave bugs. |
| 04:26.38 | bob2 | raf256: depends |
| 04:26.44 | bob2 | ideally, there aren't |
| 04:26.54 | bob2 | but since sarge has no security team coverage yet, it does sometimes have issues |
| 04:27.00 | madclicker | where do i get binary kernel source package for debian? |
| 04:27.04 | bob2 | like the insecure perl which was in there for months |
| 04:27.11 | bob2 | madclicker: "binary kernel source" makes no sense |
| 04:27.14 | smacnay | what does the following snippet "getpwnam: saned:saned: No such user" mean when I restart inetd? There is a group saned in /etc/group and there is a saned in /etc/passwd. |
| 04:27.24 | madclicker | "/usr/src/linux" |
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| 04:27.35 | bob2 | madclicker: you mean the kernel source? why? |
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| 04:28.09 | madclicker | bob2: need to make a network card module |
| 04:28.20 | bob2 | madclicker: you almost certainly don't |
| 04:28.22 | bob2 | madclicker: which card? |
| 04:28.35 | chealer | according to http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html one thinks sarge always has security issues |
| 04:28.36 | madclicker | bob2: sk98lin |
| 04:28.58 | bob2 | ouch, my condolences |
| 04:29.04 | bob2 | /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko |
| 04:29.07 | madclicker | bob2: i got an ASUS p5d2 delux with yukon gig ether |
| 04:29.35 | madclicker | bob2: dead module wont load , i had the same problem with fedora |
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| 04:29.43 | bob2 | "dead module wont load"? |
| 04:29.46 | bob2 | what error do you get? |
| 04:29.51 | madclicker | bob2: had to rebuild the module against the kernel |
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| 04:30.23 | madclicker | ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:00.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 |
| 04:30.35 | madclicker | ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:0a.0[A] -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 21 |
| 04:30.35 | madclicker | sk98lin: No adapter found. |
| 04:30.36 | oich | any ideas why my usb mouse no longer works in X? I switched motherboards after the usb started having problems. now with the new motherboard the mouse still doesn't work, though the keyboard does. XFree86.0.log shows no problem with the mouse as far as I can tell. |
| 04:30.51 | madclicker | F |
| 04:31.09 | madclicker | FATAL: Error inserting sk98lin (/lib/modules/2.6.8-10-em64t-p4-smp/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko): No such device |
| 04:31.37 | bob2 | oich: same mouse? |
| 04:31.43 | oich | yes |
| 04:31.44 | bob2 | madclicker: then get kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 04:32.02 | bob2 | oich: cat /dev/input/mice, and wiggle it...does it print anything out? |
| 04:32.41 | madclicker | bob2: thx, in other distros they call it binary source or something like it |
| 04:32.48 | oich | no, though it shows a cursor on the text console screen |
| 04:32.58 | oich | I mean a mouse cursor moving |
| 04:33.06 | bob2 | so you have gpm |
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| 04:33.10 | bob2 | did you have that before? |
| 04:33.11 | madclicker | bob2: like in mandrake i can get kernel-src and kernel-source |
| 04:33.55 | oich | bob2 hmmm maybe I did something with gpm when my usb died... |
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| 04:34.38 | madclicker | oich: when u are using gpm in console do u have any problems with "copy/paste" ? |
| 04:35.20 | smacnay | I am trying to telnet to a localhost port (6566) for saned configuration. I get a connection, an escape character message, and then "Connection closed by foreign host." - Where do I start looking on ways to make this port available? I have a line for this port in /etc/services, a line added to /etc/inetd.conf, restarted the inet server, but am at a loss now. |
| 04:35.25 | madclicker | oich: every time i try to copy............some sort of jiberish appear on the screen |
| 04:35.43 | oich | madclicker I seem to be able to copy and paste non-jiberish |
| 04:35.56 | bob2 | smacnay: er |
| 04:36.04 | bob2 | smacnay: if saned is in Debian, you won't need to touch inetd.conf yourself |
| 04:36.13 | oich | ... so is gpm interfering with X? |
| 04:36.43 | madclicker | oich: could be, try reinstalling gpm and reconfigure the settings |
| 04:36.59 | bob2 | how on earth would that help? |
| 04:37.05 | bob2 | reinstalling is almost always not a good idea |
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| 04:37.39 | madclicker | bob2: when installing gpm it has some conf questions with regards to X |
| 04:37.43 | smacnay | bob2: really? Ouch - all that man page reading and update-inetd learning. |
| 04:38.22 | bob2 | smacnay: the package should do that for you |
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| 04:38.40 | smacnay | bob2: there was no sane entry in inetd.conf until I added it. |
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| 04:41.05 | raf256 | how can I from command line read the temperature of sensors (cpu, mainboard and so on)? |
| 04:41.18 | raf256 | for HDD I can do smartctrl -a /dev/hda | grep Temperature |
| 04:41.34 | bob2 | you can't, simply |
| 04:41.40 | bob2 | you need to install and configure lm_sensors |
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| 04:41.48 | bob2 | yay for hardware manufacturers being useless |
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| 04:45.05 | starscalling | well |
| 04:45.13 | starscalling | i appreciate the help guys |
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| 04:45.49 | bob2 | starscalling: um, do you know nataasha? |
| 04:46.05 | starscalling | not really? |
| 04:46.07 | madclicker | bob2: what do u make of this error "cc1: error: code model `kernel' not supported in the 32 bit mode" ? |
| 04:46.17 | starscalling | just seems like a nice nick XD |
| 04:46.30 | starscalling | though i could have sworn it was coming not leaving |
| 04:46.32 | bob2 | starscalling: then that's unacceptable |
| 04:46.36 | starscalling | im so out of it today..... |
| 04:46.51 | oich | ok reinstalling and configuring gpm has not changed anything in X, nor has stopping gpm and running X |
| 04:47.07 | starscalling | nice. |
| 04:47.08 | oich | with respect to my mouse |
| 04:47.09 | bob2 | shockingly |
| 04:47.11 | starscalling | 2 hrs it took |
| 04:47.32 | bob2 | madclicker: it means you shouldn't have an amd64 |
| 04:47.32 | bob2 | /win50 |
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| 04:48.02 | chealer | no wonder natasha left |
| 04:48.04 | Jan23 | hi any woman need get my big black cock |
| 04:48.10 | madclicker | bob2: i have an em64t intel cpu |
| 04:48.15 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 04:48.16 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@62.68.237.193] by bob2 |
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| 04:48.35 | chealer | what's the problem with males? |
| 04:48.38 | bob2 | madclicker: there you go |
| 04:48.43 | bob2 | chealer: not all males are stupid |
| 04:48.49 | bob2 | chealer: but the ones that are are loud and visible |
| 04:48.54 | starscalling | lol |
| 04:48.57 | madclicker | bob2: you lost me |
| 04:49.04 | sigma957 | ever since I changed from kernel image 2.6.8 to 2.6.10, I get these modules loaded, even though I don't need them (ie sc1200, sis5513, opti621, etc). Where would I stop them from loading? |
| 04:49.07 | starscalling | you prefer ppl to hide and be beta males |
| 04:49.09 | starscalling | im not one |
| 04:49.12 | chealer | bob2: hopefully, cause women wouldn't stay here long |
| 04:49.28 | starscalling | nor am i stupid either |
| 04:49.33 | bob2 | starscalling: I prefer you to not embarrass the rest of us |
| 04:49.45 | starscalling | merely a bit uninformed about debian lol |
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| 04:49.54 | starscalling | no need to be embarrassed |
| 04:50.01 | starscalling | im a frendly gyrl |
| 04:50.04 | starscalling | >_> |
| 04:50.05 | bob2 | yes, I know nothing about Debian |
| 04:50.13 | bob2 | all this computer stuff is too complicated for me |
| 04:50.17 | starscalling | hahaha |
| 04:50.21 | bob2 | chealer: yeah, it's a serious problem :-/ |
| 04:50.29 | bob2 | madclicker: try #debian-amd64 |
| 04:50.30 | chealer | starscalling: uninformed about respect and what "humor" can be too |
| 04:50.49 | madclicker | bob2: got u, thx i will |
| 04:50.55 | starscalling | got it |
| 04:50.56 | bob2 | starscalling: humour is fine |
| 04:51.02 | bob2 | humour != sexual harrassment |
| 04:51.09 | starscalling | i agree totally |
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| 04:51.13 | starscalling | keep in mind |
| 04:51.16 | starscalling | this is not irl |
| 04:51.22 | bob2 | right |
| 04:51.22 | starscalling | so there is no actual licking |
| 04:51.26 | bob2 | so you should totally be a cock |
| 04:51.36 | starscalling | . . . |
| 04:51.45 | starscalling | what crawled up your arse? |
| 04:52.25 | mrhemlock | we can take it back |
| 04:52.29 | starscalling | google == ur friend |
| 04:52.50 | bob2 | ledestin: it's quite sad |
| 04:53.16 | chealer | was it really better a few months ago? |
| 04:53.30 | smacnay | what sorts of things stop one from telneting to a port on their localhost? |
| 04:53.34 | ledestin | bob2: really, what happened? It's about 750 people as usual, but did people go away? |
| 04:54.13 | mrhemlock | <<< biting toungue |
| 04:54.24 | bob2 | chealer: not really |
| 04:54.45 | bob2 | ledestin: it varies a lot during the day...evening US-time seems to be the busiest |
| 04:54.50 | cat | stupid mutt doesn't work |
| 04:54.54 | bob2 | smacnay: you need to find out if sane is actually starting |
| 04:55.04 | bob2 | cat: mutt works fine, you just haven't configured it |
| 04:55.12 | chealer | bob2: I guess that's reassuring |
| 04:55.15 | cat | oh |
| 04:55.25 | cat | well my fetchmail is working fine bob2 all i need is mutt to work |
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| 04:55.42 | bob2 | cat: then, as I said yesterday, find where fetchmail is putting your mail |
| 04:55.52 | sigma957 | cat:what errors are you getting? |
| 04:56.03 | cat | sigma957: i just don't received any mails at all |
| 04:56.03 | bob2 | cat: if it's being passed off to exim, then watch exim's logs to see what it's doing |
| 04:56.05 | starscalling | well |
| 04:56.13 | gravity | hrm... nautilus needs a ruby script icon |
| 04:56.16 | starscalling | guess i dont need to idle here either... |
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| 04:56.37 | cat | bob2: where can i see exim4 logs? |
| 04:56.44 | gravity | caphuso: You need to hand me some motivation and skill while you're at it |
| 04:56.47 | bob2 | cat: /var/log/exim or so |
| 04:56.56 | mrhemlock | this place can be SO KOOL |
| 04:57.00 | ethics | cat: var/loc/mail....so similar |
| 04:57.07 | Opiated | i need a voice recording software. any reccomdations. I need one for X pref gtk |
| 04:57.08 | caphuso | gravity: well, i got a big stick, and i can probably find a few rusty nails somewhere |
| 04:57.16 | gravity | Sexy |
| 04:57.20 | cat | bob2: on mainlog right? |
| 04:57.26 | bob2 | cat: I guess so |
| 04:57.29 | bob2 | it was in exim3 |
| 04:57.29 | ethics | Opiated:recordint or recognition?? |
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| 04:57.36 | cat | 2005-04-07 17:33:15 1DJecl-0008TG-00 <= <> R=1DJeck-0008T1-00 U=mail P=local S=$ |
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| 04:57.36 | cat | 2005-04-07 17:33:15 1DJeck-0008T1-00 Frozen |
| 04:57.37 | Opiated | just recording |
| 04:57.40 | smacnay | bob2: I don't see it in a ps -A command. I am starting it through a /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/saned command in /etc/inetd.conf line. Would it show up in ps -A if I start this way? |
| 04:57.41 | mrhemlock | pornview |
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| 04:57.56 | bob2 | smacnay: not unless you run it at the moment you connect |
| 04:58.01 | danikata | hi all |
| 04:58.03 | cat | it get's frozen |
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| 04:58.10 | bob2 | smacnay: is inetd listening on the port? (sudo netstat -pluant | grep port_number) |
| 04:58.18 | Opiated | ethics, just to record what I say. although i could use a voice regonitinon sw too |
| 04:58.25 | ethics | Opiated: audacity....prolly the better starting point for recording waves |
| 04:58.26 | sigma957 | ever since I changed from kernel image 2.6.8 to 2.6.10, ide-core now loads a bunch of modules I don't need. Where would I go to stop them from loading? |
| 04:58.34 | bob2 | Opiated: grecord or whatever |
| 04:58.38 | Opiated | oh |
| 04:58.40 | Opiated | ok |
| 04:58.40 | bob2 | Opiated: or rec from the sox package |
| 04:58.40 | Opiated | cool |
| 04:58.46 | bob2 | recording is really really simple |
| 04:58.56 | smacnay | bob2: yes -> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6566 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1735/inetd |
| 04:58.57 | bob2 | sigma957: sure you don't need them? |
| 04:59.01 | ethics | Opiated: windows for voice recognition...dragon naturally speaking is the top of line apparently... |
| 04:59.02 | bob2 | smacnay: cool |
| 04:59.11 | Opiated | nah |
| 04:59.15 | smacnay | bob2: I can't telnet that port though. |
| 04:59.18 | Opiated | i'll use grecord |
| 04:59.22 | Opiated | try that one out first |
| 04:59.25 | Opiated | thanks guys |
| 04:59.27 | sigma957 | bob2: on boot they say error.. it's for ide drivers I don't have |
| 04:59.29 | smacnay | bob2: I get booted off immediately after connection. |
| 04:59.33 | ethics | Opiated: if you need to clean it up the audacity will be next on ya list hehe |
| 04:59.43 | bob2 | smacnay: that's a red herring |
| 04:59.47 | bob2 | smacnay: sort of, anyway |
| 05:00.04 | bob2 | smacnay: does whatever program you're supposed to use work? |
| 05:00.16 | smacnay | bob2: I even opened up that port on my firewall to the computer I want to allow connection. |
| 05:00.17 | cat | bob2: is this right file = /var/mail/${local_part} |
| 05:00.25 | smacnay | bob2: yes- if run locally. |
| 05:00.36 | bob2 | cat: I don't know |
| 05:00.40 | Opiated | ok |
| 05:00.43 | bob2 | it looks reasonable |
| 05:00.45 | Opiated | installing audacity right now |
| 05:00.51 | bob2 | smacnay: so your problem is that it doesn't work remotely? |
| 05:01.05 | smacnay | bob2: yes, I can't connect from the remote to local. |
| 05:01.14 | cat | Debian@blah:~$ mutt |
| 05:01.14 | cat | Mailbox is unchanged. |
| 05:01.17 | Opiated | is there a way to have update-menu run automatically after installing a package? |
| 05:01.20 | bob2 | smacnay: then one side has a badly configured firewall |
| 05:01.27 | bob2 | cat: that's not useful |
| 05:01.33 | bob2 | cat: mutt -f /var/mail/Debian |
| 05:01.45 | cat | i'm there |
| 05:01.48 | cat | still anything |
| 05:01.53 | bob2 | ... |
| 05:01.56 | cplx | !fix cat |
| 05:02.26 | bob2 | you mean, "I run that command, and all it prints is 'Mailbox is unchanged' and then exits."? |
| 05:02.40 | cat | when i exit mutt it gives me that error |
| 05:02.47 | cat | so when i run fetchmail it gives me this reading message mrdebian@comcast.net@mail.comcast.net:48 of 192 |
| 05:02.51 | bob2 | lord |
| 05:02.51 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.21 | bob2 | so |
| 05:03.30 | bob2 | the basic problem is you're not explaining your problem well |
| 05:03.37 | smacnay | bob2: I see that in /var/log/syslog I get the following lines for each time I tried to connect: Apr 8 01:02:44 smacnay inetd[7335]: getpwnam: saned:saned: No such user |
| 05:03.44 | Guerin_ | the basic problem is that sunday has come early |
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| 05:03.45 | Guerin_ | again |
| 05:03.53 | Guerin_ | and more than that |
| 05:04.01 | cat | well i'm not available to get mail with mutt, fetchmail is configured right, bob2 the one that's giving me issues is with mutt |
| 05:04.03 | Guerin_ | last sunday hadn't ended before this sunday arrived |
| 05:04.12 | Guerin_ | so now we have sundays compounding on sundays |
| 05:04.15 | feng | I have Debian Install CD woody 3.0 r0, r0 ? |
| 05:04.19 | sigma957 | cat:does fetchmail hand off to procmail? do you have in .muttrc 'set mbox=~/mail/inbox' or something like that? |
| 05:04.30 | cat | sigma957: let me see |
| 05:04.30 | bob2 | cat: dude |
| 05:04.45 | cat | sigma957: muttrc: No such file or directory |
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| 05:04.53 | cat | with the . |
| 05:04.54 | bob2 | cat: you keep whinging about mutt being broken, but you can't even explain *how* it's broken |
| 05:05.02 | takatumi | it is broken. |
| 05:05.03 | bob2 | cat: when you run 'mutt -f /var/mail/Debian', what happens? |
| 05:05.13 | bob2 | smacnay: sounds like your inetd.conf line is screwed |
| 05:05.23 | cat | bob2: takes me to mutt to my mailbox |
| 05:05.27 | bob2 | cat: so |
| 05:05.32 | bob2 | cat: what are you complaining about then? |
| 05:05.35 | cat | so there i don't see any emails at all |
| 05:05.37 | Guerin_ | cat: man muttrc |
| 05:05.44 | Guerin_ | cat: stop being so stupid |
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| 05:05.52 | bob2 | cat: then tell us that |
| 05:05.58 | bob2 | instead of saying "mutt is broken" |
| 05:06.01 | cplx | !fix cat |
| 05:06.11 | cat | that was my issue, i can't get emails at all with mutt does it sound better bob2 |
| 05:06.12 | bob2 | it sounds very much like whoever installed exim4 didn't configure it properly for local delivery |
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| 05:06.18 | ethics | umm just quietly i knew what cat meant hehehe |
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| 05:06.20 | smacnay | bob2: hmmm. I made it like the man page described. I am stuck. O h well. |
| 05:06.25 | gravity | Ugh... punctuation |
| 05:06.26 | Guerin_ | cat: user error |
| 05:06.29 | bob2 | smacnay: show us the line you're using |
| 05:06.54 | bob2 | cat: does "echo|mail -stest Debian@localhost", then running mutt like I said show anything? |
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| 05:07.27 | cat | nope bob2 i don't see anything at all |
| 05:07.38 | bob2 | then your exim config is fucked |
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| 05:08.27 | cat | yeah exim4 is fucked up, |
| 05:08.54 | cat | i need to configured it right |
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| 05:09.09 | smacnay | bob2: sane-port stream tcp nowait saned.saned /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/saned |
| 05:09.43 | bob2 | smacnay: yes, that's wrong |
| 05:09.52 | bob2 | # <service_name> <sock_type> <proto> <flags> <user> <server_path> <args> |
| 05:10.03 | ethics | dpkg-reconfigure exim4?? |
| 05:10.07 | bob2 | it should be saned, not saned.saned |
| 05:10.14 | smacnay | bob2: damn the manpage. |
| 05:10.21 | bob2 | cat: sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 05:11.14 | ethics | ah well all...im off like a guy leaving on a friday....cyas |
| 05:11.24 | cat | ok |
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| 05:12.57 | smacnay | bob2: still getting this in /var/log/syslog : Apr 8 01:11:54 smacnay inetd[7372]: getpwnam: saned:saned: No such user |
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| 05:13.21 | raf256 | hi there |
| 05:13.32 | raf256 | can I easly make my linux box an time server? |
| 05:13.40 | raf256 | so that my windoze box will synchronize time with it |
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| 05:13.52 | raf256 | what to apt-get, what port(s) should I open on iptables? |
| 05:13.58 | bob2 | smacnay: and your line looks like... |
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| 05:14.09 | bob2 | raf256: ntp-server, whatever port ntp uses in /etc/services |
| 05:14.10 | sigma957 | raf256: I use ntp-simple.. you could look that up |
| 05:14.14 | cat | look at the error bob2 on #flood |
| 05:14.22 | bob2 | cat: please tell me you're not using sid |
| 05:14.29 | cat | yes i am |
| 05:14.33 | raf256 | ok, than.x ntp is 100% secure right? its quite simple protocol AFAIR after all? |
| 05:15.01 | bob2 | nothing is 100% secure |
| 05:15.07 | DuckTales | Do the linux mplayer-codecs-essential work in windows also? |
| 05:15.12 | cat | damn, |
| 05:15.19 | bks | hai |
| 05:15.21 | smacnay | bob2: sane-port stream tcp nowait saned /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/saned |
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| 05:15.31 | chealer | DuckTales: uh? you should probably ask #mplayer |
| 05:15.36 | raf256 | bob2: int main() { cout<<"Hello"; return 0; } // seems secure, assuming ofcourse the OS itself dont have bugs in implementation of that functions |
| 05:15.39 | cat | so i can't do anything bob2 right? |
| 05:15.45 | sigma957 | cat:I run unstable, with fetchmail, exim, procmail, SA, and mutt and it works fine |
| 05:15.57 | cat | sigma957: well for me is not working, |
| 05:16.05 | cat | can u help me out? |
| 05:16.15 | bob2 | cat: I dunno, but afaik there's some exim4 bug in sid atm |
| 05:16.23 | bob2 | sid is really not a hot idea for new users... |
| 05:16.43 | cat | bob2: so what do you think i should useD? |
| 05:16.48 | cat | sarge? woody? |
| 05:16.50 | bob2 | sarge |
| 05:16.56 | cat | ok, |
| 05:17.07 | bob2 | but that doesn't help you now |
| 05:17.31 | cat | oh |
| 05:17.40 | cat | so i can't do apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 05:17.43 | bob2 | can't sse the bug in the bug list |
| 05:17.45 | bob2 | er |
| 05:17.50 | bob2 | sid is newer than sarge |
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| 05:18.14 | FlimFlamMan | is there a console-based file-sharing app? gnutella or something? |
| 05:18.22 | bob2 | sure |
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| 05:18.26 | staniel | FlimFlamMan: bitorrent |
| 05:18.27 | bob2 | apt-cache search gnutella |
| 05:18.30 | FlimFlamMan | any recommendations? |
| 05:18.43 | cat | i did the apt-get dist-upgrade but all my packages are update it |
| 05:18.47 | staniel | err bittorrent |
| 05:18.49 | karsten | ConManNecDrakeSoFaTech |
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| 05:19.15 | raf256 | with NNTP server is secure and easy to use, in order to 1) cache localy articles that I read from "real" NNTP servers, |
| 05:19.30 | raf256 | 2) to have some small own NNTP group, with access protected by user/pass |
| 05:19.31 | staniel | ConManNexDrakeSoFaTech != Debian? |
| 05:19.44 | karsten | staniel: *really*? |
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| 05:21.37 | karsten | staniel: It's always possible a dumb pole walked into you ;-) |
| 05:21.49 | simonrvn | phphffft ;p |
| 05:21.56 | staniel | karsten: at this time a night, anything could happen |
| 05:22.00 | karsten | staniel: Actually, yours was one of the better possible responses. |
| 05:22.14 | karsten | staniel: "it's not DFSG free" would be the other. ObHotBabe. |
| 05:22.17 | staniel | I could walk into a middle of an intersection and not know it |
| 05:22.17 | karsten | staniel: ;-) |
| 05:22.39 | staniel | is it 2:30 pm yet |
| 05:22.47 | karsten | staniel: In Korea, only old people walk into the middle of an intersection. |
| 05:23.09 | staniel | crazy SOB's |
| 05:23.10 | edward_ | relocation error: /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno |
| 05:23.12 | karsten | staniel: ...and in Russia, the middle of an intersection walks into you. |
| 05:23.22 | edward_ | who knows what that is... ? |
| 05:23.31 | edward_ | version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 05:23.34 | bob2 | edward_: someone compiled something wrong |
| 05:23.43 | bob2 | edward_: or you're using binary crap |
| 05:24.18 | edward_ | well.. it works most of the time and is ok for me so it's not that crappy... |
| 05:24.58 | staniel | I figure, mainframe programming is worse than drugs....... and I never wanted to be put onto drugs or anything there after |
| 05:24.58 | edward_ | bob2, recompile is the only option... ? |
| 05:25.31 | bob2 | edward_: yes, it's broken |
| 05:25.39 | edward_ | damn.. |
| 05:25.42 | edward_ | wel.. 2 bad.. |
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| 05:26.05 | zeeble | Anyone suggest a good courier howto, with spam filtering and virus scanning support? |
| 05:26.33 | bob2 | you're going to use courier-mta? |
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| 05:27.57 | zeeble | bob2: yup. its an already existing thing, will upgrade courier and add antispam and filtering support. |
| 05:28.40 | zeeble | bob2: multiple domains, but few users. |
| 05:28.54 | bob2 | ouch |
| 05:28.58 | zeeble | yeah. |
| 05:29.23 | bob2 | never really knew anyone who used courier-mta before |
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| 05:31.07 | deadcat | i dont get the diff between nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server |
| 05:31.21 | zeeble | :] Guess i'll do this and write a howto. go clamav and dspam. |
| 05:31.52 | jm_ | deadcat: one requires kernel support, the other doesn't |
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| 05:32.04 | deadcat | jm_: sounds like user is better then? |
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| 05:32.10 | jm_ | deadcat: FSVO better |
| 05:32.17 | deadcat | !fsvo |
| 05:32.17 | dpkg | fsvo is, like, For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 05:32.18 | ack4 | urm.. i can use apt-get to update. i can ping my local machines, but i cant surf the net, anything i need to check? |
| 05:32.30 | jm_ | deadcat: user space one was not worked on for many years, development picked up again last year |
| 05:32.34 | deadcat | jm_: damn i've always used kernel-server |
| 05:32.43 | deadcat | jm_: ah. |
| 05:32.45 | jm_ | deadcat: yeah, most people have |
| 05:32.54 | zeeble | the kernel-server is also faster. |
| 05:33.00 | deadcat | cool |
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| 05:35.17 | karsten | staniel: What MF langauge? |
| 05:35.25 | staniel | take a guess |
| 05:35.28 | Flimzy | I have an AT system that never reboots when I do a 'reboot' or 'shudown -r'. It just says "Rebooting... Restarting system." then freezes. What's the problem? |
| 05:35.33 | karsten | staniel: And you *do* know Perl's been ported to zSeries ;-) |
| 05:35.41 | karsten | staniel: COBOL 1.0 or COBOL 2.0 |
| 05:35.46 | karsten | staniel: ...aka Java. |
| 05:35.46 | jm_ | Flimzy: try using the kernel option |
| 05:35.58 | ack4 | urm.. i can use apt-get to update. i can ping my local machines, but i cant surf the net, anything i need to check? on my windows machines, where i put dns, i have the same in my resolv.conf but it just wont let me surf the net... any advice? |
| 05:36.00 | staniel | didn't know about perl |
| 05:36.11 | Flimzy | jm_: Can you elaborate? |
| 05:36.12 | staniel | and by 1.0 you mean 74 and 2.0 you mean 85... its 85 |
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| 05:36.43 | jm_ | Flimzy: reboot=foo |
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| 05:37.34 | jm_ | Flimzy: reboot={warm,cold,bios,hard} for i386 |
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| 05:37.44 | jm_ | there's also smp |
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| 05:38.27 | karsten | any suggestions on troubleshooting / resetting a PalmOS USB connection? |
| 05:38.41 | Jamsi | Wondering if anyone has a solution to this sympton. I have pop3d running on a box that serves quite a bit of mail. For some reason, it seems to die for about 10 minutes, 2 or 3 times a day, and then will come back up again. |
| 05:38.50 | staniel | karsten: if it were on windows, I could tell you off the back of my head :P |
| 05:38.59 | Flimzy | jm_: I add that to the kernel commandline? |
| 05:39.05 | karsten | staniel: Nope. |
| 05:39.12 | karsten | Normally works. Occasionally doesn't. |
| 05:39.19 | staniel | karsten: won't hotsync I take it? |
| 05:39.23 | karsten | Apparently the USB autoconnect stuff isn't. |
| 05:39.35 | jm_ | Flimzy: yes |
| 05:39.36 | karsten | staniel: Right. Trying jpilot or pilot-xfer (last is CLI). |
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| 05:39.54 | karsten | IR works. But slowly. |
| 05:40.00 | Flimzy | jm_: I'll give it a try. thanks |
| 05:40.09 | staniel | yeah, about 9600 bps |
| 05:40.44 | staniel | so you put it in its cradle/cable and try to hotsync and it the unit just sits there? |
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| 05:41.36 | karsten | staniel: Yeah, and times out eventually. |
| 05:41.45 | karsten | cat /dev/ttyUSB1 gives "no such device". |
| 05:41.49 | karsten | hotplug issues? |
| 05:42.25 | staniel | could be - try it in a different usb port? |
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| 05:42.54 | karsten | staniel: sec |
| 05:43.28 | badblody | the suid buit in a folder what does ? |
| 05:43.41 | badblody | s/buit/bit/ |
| 05:44.28 | Pappa_ | badblody: all files created in directory will be owned by the folder owner / group |
| 05:44.45 | badblody | rhx |
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| 05:44.47 | KodeK | Hey, quick question, if someone says CVS is nice, but not needed (for a team project), what would you say? |
| 05:44.47 | badblody | thx |
| 05:45.20 | Flimzy | Is there a nvidia-kernel-source package that works with 2.6.11.5? |
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| 05:45.48 | mrhemlock | KodeK: subverion is a bit better |
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| 05:46.02 | KodeK | mrhemlock: CVS in general, cvs, subversion |
| 05:46.08 | zeeble | Flimzy: 2.6.11.5? or 10? |
| 05:46.33 | Flimzy | zeeble: I have 2.6.11.5 right now. Altho I'm d/ling patches to get to .11.7 |
| 05:46.53 | mrhemlock | KodeK: compare yourself I dont know your needs |
| 05:47.19 | KodeK | mrhemlock: my "teammate" says cvs/svn is not needed, and that im wasting my time on learning it :/ |
| 05:47.32 | Arafangion | KodeK, Your teammate is stupid. |
| 05:47.42 | KodeK | Arafangion: thank you, that's what i wanted to hear. |
| 05:47.48 | zeeble | Flimzy: oh. |
| 05:47.56 | Flimzy | zeeble: If nvidia won't work with .11.x, then I'll just use 2.6.9, which I also have a source tree for. |
| 05:48.00 | mrhemlock | KodeK: get him a software enineering book |
| 05:48.06 | Arafangion | KodeK, And if he's a programmer, multiply the stupidity level by infinity. |
| 05:48.19 | Arafangion | Positive infinity. |
| 05:48.31 | KodeK | Arafangion: we're only 18, we've just started to code as a team |
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| 05:48.43 | Pappa_ | cvs is like a blessing |
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| 05:48.46 | Arafangion | KodeK, Ok, but he's still stupid. |
| 05:48.48 | karsten | staniel: Syncing vi IR ATM. |
| 05:48.51 | karsten | s/vi/via/ |
| 05:48.51 | Arafangion | KodeK, I'm 19 |
| 05:48.58 | hanasaki | libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 how do i find the package htat has that lib and how old/new it is ? |
| 05:49.02 | Arafangion | KodeK, And have never programmed as a team. |
| 05:49.04 | hanasaki | apt-cache finds nothhing |
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| 05:49.20 | Arafangion | KodeK, Only individual - yet it has already saved me time by means of a really, really good backup system :) |
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| 05:49.30 | Pappa_ | hanasaki: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 05:49.33 | KodeK | Arafangion: i know, thats why im learning it anyway |
| 05:49.34 | Pappa_ | that's the package name |
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| 05:50.05 | hanasaki | Pappa_: ohw woudl i find that on my own for future reference? |
| 05:50.30 | Pappa_ | hanasaki: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file search <filename in package> |
| 05:50.41 | jm_ | hanasaki: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:50.43 | hanasaki | ah.. apt file |
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| 05:50.50 | staniel | karsten: yeah, but when you plug it into the cradle, does the syslog or dmesg show what? |
| 05:50.52 | KodeK | so, so far ive got the repository, how would i import my project from a windows machine? |
| 05:50.54 | dna_ | hhow do I update my kernal? |
| 05:51.01 | mrhemlock | KodeK: it will make setting up goals/sub goals alot easier |
| 05:51.03 | dna_ | I am on a 2.4.27 |
| 05:51.21 | deadcat | dna_: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 05:51.22 | Pappa_ | apt-cache search kernel-image|grep 2.6 |
| 05:51.23 | KodeK | mrhemlock: so many reasons why im learning this |
| 05:51.46 | KodeK | mrhemlock: anyway, ive got svnserve running, and i made a repository, how do i connect to it from a windows machine? |
| 05:51.59 | KodeK | mrhemlock: ive already installed tsvn or w/e |
| 05:52.26 | mrhemlock | KodeK: i can find it i never have done it |
| 05:52.35 | KodeK | mrhemlock: do you code locally? |
| 05:52.52 | mrhemlock | yes |
| 05:52.58 | deadcat | instead of telling people to press F3 for more options in d-i, it should just say "type linux26 for 2.6 kernel" because people are too damn lazy to read the message on the d-i |
| 05:53.10 | zeeble | deadcat: heh |
| 05:53.10 | KodeK | mrhemlock: we're using visual studio :/ |
| 05:53.24 | dna_ | what does |
| 05:53.26 | Jamsi | Does popa3d keep logs anywhere about the status of the daemon |
| 05:53.27 | mrhemlock | no i dont use m$ at all |
| 05:53.31 | Guerin_ | deadcat: like thay'd read that |
| 05:53.31 | deadcat | zeeble: no kidding. they then come here to complaining about having a 2.4 kernel and want to go 2.6 |
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| 05:53.34 | dna_ | kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7-smp 2.6.8-4 |
| 05:53.37 | deadcat | Guerin_: (= |
| 05:53.38 | dna_ | what does smp mean? |
| 05:53.40 | KodeK | mrhemlock: what language? |
| 05:53.48 | Pappa_ | multi-processor |
| 05:53.50 | Guerin_ | dna_: it means "gogle and you will find out" |
| 05:53.51 | caphuso | dna_: symmetric multi processor |
| 05:53.55 | deadcat | Guerin_: maybe "SEX type linux26 for 2.6 kernel SEX" maybe? |
| 05:53.55 | Pappa_ | dna_: you on athlon 64? |
| 05:53.58 | Guerin_ | google, even |
| 05:54.01 | dna_ | I have an Athalon 800 |
| 05:54.08 | mrhemlock | you name it, alot of perl now, playing with squeak smalltalk |
| 05:54.13 | dna_ | asus k7 mobo |
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| 05:54.32 | dna_ | would k7 be good? |
| 05:54.33 | KodeK | mrhemlock: i see. |
| 05:54.41 | Pappa_ | the linux26 on my d-i always fails. |
| 05:54.44 | Guerin_ | deadcat: doubtful |
| 05:54.50 | KodeK | does anybody know how to find out what port an application is using, svn, specifically? |
| 05:54.58 | mrhemlock | i have coded in over 20 languages in my 26 year career |
| 05:55.07 | Pappa_ | dna_: athlon 800 mhz? you should try a -686 kernel |
| 05:55.08 | sparky777 | enybody knows how to switch between different languages in Sarge? |
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| 05:55.15 | Guerin_ | deadcat: maybe if it wasn't 'linux26', but 'threesome' they had to type... |
| 05:55.15 | zeeble | KodeK: netstat -tualp | less |
| 05:55.19 | deadcat | Guerin_: better yet. fry some of their hardware. this od to get their attention |
| 05:55.19 | jk- | hi all |
| 05:55.25 | deadcat | Guerin_: (= |
| 05:55.26 | Arafangion | mrhemlock, What are your favorites? |
| 05:55.31 | KodeK | mrhemlock: im finishing my 2nd year of computer science at high school, i can speak java "fluently" :D |
| 05:55.31 | Guerin_ | Pappa_: athlons aren't 686 compatible |
| 05:55.36 | KodeK | thank you,zeeble |
| 05:55.42 | Pappa_ | Guerin_: you sure? |
| 05:55.51 | Guerin_ | Pappa_: they're 586 compatible, but not 6. |
| 05:55.59 | mrhemlock | small talk is interesting |
| 05:56.05 | mrhemlock | www.squeak.org |
| 05:56.15 | Flimzy | Are the 2.6.11.x patches intended to be applied to the 2.6.11 tree, or to the preceeding 2.6.11.x tree? |
| 05:56.16 | mrhemlock | ocaml |
| 05:56.19 | jk- | i'm half way through a debian install (it's downloading packages), but i'd like to switch to another (ethernet) network, but that would require re-running dhclient. Will the packager restart the wget that fails due to the reconfig? |
| 05:56.21 | mrhemlock | commonlisp |
| 05:56.27 | Pappa_ | well k7 will surely fuck up. |
| 05:56.38 | Arafangion | mrhemlock, I'm considering learning Haskell. |
| 05:56.45 | dna_ | why is that Pappa_ ??? |
| 05:56.45 | Guerin_ | jk-: yeah, it'll pick up where it left off if you tell it to |
| 05:56.52 | Guerin_ | Pappa_: shouldn't |
| 05:57.12 | mrhemlock | yes, i looked at that also |
| 05:57.18 | jk- | Guerin_: i'm not planning to reboot, just reconfigure the interface. how do i 'tell it to' ? |
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| 05:57.34 | KodeK | :sigh:, does anyone know how to connect to snvserv from tortoiseSVN ? |
| 05:57.40 | caphuso | Flimzy: depends on if you got the incremental or non-incrememtal version |
| 05:57.41 | Pappa_ | could try it though, probably his best bet |
| 05:57.43 | Guerin_ | jk-: it'll fail as soon as it hasn't got a network, then it'll give you the option to run again |
| 05:57.44 | mrhemlock | all depends on what you want to do, c still has lots of uses, and can do stuff others cant |
| 05:57.52 | jk- | ahh, cool, ok. |
| 05:57.57 | Flimzy | caphuso: How are they distinguished? |
| 05:58.12 | Guerin_ | KodeK: I bet the tortoisesvn docs know |
| 05:58.20 | KodeK | Guerin_: good point :) |
| 05:58.23 | caphuso | Flimzy: one is to be applied against the the 2.6.11 tree, the other against 2.6.11.(x-1) |
| 05:58.26 | caphuso | duh |
| 05:58.31 | Flimzy | caphuso: I'm guessing I didn't notice the incrimental ones. |
| 05:58.37 | Guerin_ | !guess |
| 05:58.37 | dpkg | from memory, guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 05:58.38 | jk- | cool |
| 05:58.42 | jk- | *tries |
| 05:58.45 | Flimzy | caphuso: I realize that. I'm asking how they're distinguished from each other. |
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| 05:59.03 | Flimzy | caphuso: How do I know which is which? |
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| 05:59.20 | mrhemlock | the most interesting language i have ever seen was prograph/cpx i have never had mac hardware to run it ;) |
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| 05:59.41 | caphuso | Flimzy: checking what the patch does to EXTRAVERSION should give you a clue |
| 06:00.20 | Flimzy | caphuso: Do incrimental patches even exist on official mirrors? |
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| 06:00.25 | caphuso | Flimzy: sure |
| 06:00.34 | jk- | Guerin_: awesome, it just restarted the wget, no interaction required :) |
| 06:00.38 | Flimzy | caphuso: Well what are they called? |
| 06:00.44 | Guerin_ | jk-: even cooler |
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| 06:01.08 | Flimzy | caphuso: Or are they in a separate directory somewhere? |
| 06:01.10 | hja123 | sensors-detect comment: "no driver for Nat. Sem. PC87372 Super I/O Fan sensor". Does that mean I cannot run gkrellm to detect temp? |
| 06:01.17 | caphuso | Flimzy: you can get them from http://www.kernel.org/ |
| 06:01.23 | caphuso | it's right on the front page... |
| 06:01.51 | Flimzy | caphuso: I'm browsing ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6 |
| 06:02.00 | caphuso | Flimzy: then stop |
| 06:02.10 | caphuso | damnit, where did all the common sense go? |
| 06:02.16 | buu | caphuso: I stole it. |
| 06:02.21 | buu | And uploaded it to wikipedia. |
| 06:02.23 | Guerin_ | common sense is anything but common |
| 06:02.33 | Flimzy | caphuso: I'm sorry, but I think that getting kernel patches from ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6 *is* common sense |
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| 06:02.46 | dna_ | how do I go in and manuall config my kernel? |
| 06:02.53 | Flimzy | caphuso: Especially considering that the front page of www.kernel.org refers one there. |
| 06:02.53 | Guerin_ | dna_: you don't. |
| 06:03.02 | hja123 | anyone using gkrellm for temp sensing? |
| 06:03.08 | dna_ | Guerin_: isn't that obsurd |
| 06:03.16 | streuner | hja123: yeah |
| 06:03.20 | dna_ | you cannot config an open source kernel? |
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| 06:03.25 | Guerin_ | dna_: no, it's prefectly sensible |
| 06:03.31 | dna_ | what baout a kernal? |
| 06:03.31 | hja123 | streuner: sensors-detect comment: "no driver for Nat. Sem. PC87372 Super I/O Fan sensor". Does that mean I cannot run gkrellm to detect temp? |
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| 06:03.41 | caphuso | Flimzy: being told to look at the kernel.org frontpage and responding with "but i'm browsing something else!!1!" is _not_ common sense |
| 06:03.42 | Guerin_ | dna_: I said YOU don't. And linux isn't open source, it's free software |
| 06:04.21 | Flimzy | caphuso: It is if that "something else" is a step ahead |
| 06:04.22 | streuner | hja123: well, some chips aren't supported... |
| 06:04.36 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 06:05.01 | hja123 | can you confirm whether the one that i mentioned or where do i get the info? |
| 06:05.01 | caphuso | Flimzy: why the fuck are you even bothering to ask stupid questions if you already know better? |
| 06:05.12 | dna_ | how do I download kernel files from apt-get? |
| 06:05.25 | dna_ | I want to download then manually install it |
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| 06:05.28 | caphuso | i should really just stick to waiting for an !ops and ignore the channel the rest of the time |
| 06:05.29 | Flimzy | caphuso: The question I asked was not stupid. |
| 06:05.48 | gyges | this is such a friendly place |
| 06:05.51 | streuner | hja123: check out /etc/sensors.conf |
| 06:05.54 | Guerin_ | dna_: no, you don't want to do that |
| 06:05.56 | Jamsi | Anyone here an expert on popa3d and inet |
| 06:06.04 | dna_ | well it says this |
| 06:06.05 | dna_ | ackstart: cannot get realtime capabilities, current capabilities are: |
| 06:06.05 | dna_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.05 | dna_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:06.14 | hja123 | streuner: thanks, will try. |
| 06:06.21 | Flimzy | Jamsi: Who cares? Just ask your question. |
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| 06:06.24 | dna_ | whoops |
| 06:06.40 | Guerin_ | !tell dna_ about paste |
| 06:06.41 | streuner | hja123: lm-sensors has a buch of docs |
| 06:06.49 | streuner | s/buch/bunch/ |
| 06:07.08 | darGor | !help |
| 06:07.08 | Spark | dna_: there is extensive information on setting up a realtime kernel on various wikipedias |
| 06:07.24 | Spark | dna_: you probably want the realtime-lsm module |
| 06:07.27 | caphuso | why does a pop3d need realtime capabilities? |
| 06:07.36 | dna_ | Spark: any website out there for help on it |
| 06:07.40 | caphuso | ah, misread that |
| 06:07.56 | Spark | dna_: yeah but ive forgotten what/where it is, use google |
| 06:08.14 | Spark | you also have to tweak things in /proc and so on |
| 06:08.14 | dna_ | what should I search for? |
| 06:08.32 | Spark | maybe jack realtime lsm |
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| 06:09.34 | Guerin_ | !debian kernel image |
| 06:09.34 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 06:10.57 | hja123 | streuner: just checked, NS PC87372 not there, i'll just have to wait for new release. |
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| 06:11.41 | streuner | hja123: sid? |
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| 06:12.45 | Spark | dna_: people in #lad, #ardour or #alsa may be able to help you |
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| 06:13.23 | hja123 | streuner: i'm on sarge and intend to stay with it for a while. temp sensing not that critical. |
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| 06:14.01 | hja123 | streuner: forget to tell you, I can still monitor in text mode using MBMon. |
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| 06:15.00 | streuner | hehe |
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| 06:15.42 | streuner | hja123: that's isn't important (</sarcasm>) |
| 06:16.02 | Overand | how hard would it be to make an unattended install for debian so i don't have do serial console to install debian on my !#@$ Cobalt RaQ4 |
| 06:16.14 | Guerin | Overand: man dd |
| 06:16.28 | jm_ | Overand: that's described in d-i docs |
| 06:16.28 | Overand | the thing will boot off of an NFS share |
| 06:16.32 | streuner | hja123: /msg dpkg info lm-sensors sarge, /msg dpkg info lm-sensors sid |
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| 06:16.56 | Overand | what i don't get is why with all the HOWTOs out there re: cobalt raq, *nobody* has written up docs for this. that's a pretty doc-heavy community |
| 06:17.18 | Overand | hm |
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| 06:17.49 | jm_ | Overand: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerPreseed |
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| 06:17.59 | Overand | jm_: thanks |
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| 06:18.39 | Overand | I'm sure I'll have to replace the kernel, etc etc for all the great funness of cobalt raq quirkiness, but that's not a huge deal |
| 06:19.00 | Spark | dna_: if my memory serves me correctly, you can get away without patching the kernel but you get better latency if you do. theres also some fun with priorities of irq threads and stuff: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6788549&forum_id=3040 |
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| 06:20.11 | hja123 | streuner: how to found out what's my version of lm-sensors? |
| 06:20.32 | streuner | hja123: dpkg -l lm-sensors? |
| 06:21.36 | Overand | ahhhh, Network-Console |
| 06:21.36 | Gnea | unable to get 'yada' section |
| 06:21.37 | Overand | interesting |
| 06:21.47 | Gnea | problems making Certificate Request |
| 06:21.53 | Gnea | that look familiar to anyone? |
| 06:22.31 | hja123 | streuner: its 2.9.0-19, the latest? |
| 06:23.03 | streuner | hja123: yep |
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| 06:23.30 | Coke | What the heck has happened to Sarge? I find a severe bug in dict, python-mode and now reportbug crashes. Wasn't Sarge on the virge of becoming stable? |
| 06:23.43 | chealer | Coke: yes |
| 06:23.45 | Gnea | Coke: testing/frozen |
| 06:24.01 | Gnea | Coke: it's reasons like that that it's not so :) |
| 06:24.04 | sparky777 | quit |
| 06:24.12 | Coke | But a month ago Sarge worked fine. |
| 06:24.17 | chealer | haha |
| 06:24.19 | hairy_potter | sparky777: no i won't |
| 06:24.25 | hairy_potter | ;/ he left |
| 06:24.45 | Coke | This crap is new. Someone is messing this shit up bad. It'll never become stable if people won't stop putting bleeding edge crap in it. |
| 06:25.03 | chealer | Coke: what crap? |
| 06:25.09 | hja123 | In using Kopete, my keyboard is locked when I entered a chat session. I end up able to read all the on-goings but not able to participate in it. This happens about 3 out of 5 times. Any reason? |
| 06:25.27 | Coke | I've found two severa bugs and when I tried to report the last one reportbug CRASHED! |
| 06:25.36 | chealer | hja123: check the BTS, or ask #debian-kde |
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| 06:25.50 | Coke | reportbug is a text-based super simple interface that has worked for milleniums until now. |
| 06:25.52 | matlads | hja123: are you 'invisible' during those chat sessions |
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| 06:26.10 | yxa | are there any tools that convert rpm to deb? |
| 06:26.22 | hja123 | chealer: of course i can do that, response from im would be faster, if any. |
| 06:26.22 | chealer | !tell yxa about alien |
| 06:26.34 | Coke | hm. |
| 06:26.34 | streuner | yxa: what's wrong with the package in debian? |
| 06:26.35 | mud | Coke: maybe its ur system not sarge |
| 06:26.42 | Coke | mud: I think so to. |
| 06:27.06 | hja123 | matlads: once i cannot send msg, i would be invisible be default !? |
| 06:27.44 | yxa | streuner its not my question. :) |
| 06:27.50 | Coke | mud: it is my phucked up perl. |
| 06:27.56 | streuner | yxa: but mine ;-) |
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| 06:28.46 | hja123 | how many of you in the session now use kopete? |
| 06:29.01 | mud | use gaim |
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| 06:29.44 | streuner | yxa: so what's the reason why do you think you need rpm on debian? |
| 06:29.56 | matlads | no sometimes having your status set to 'invisible' disables the 'send' key |
| 06:30.25 | hja123 | matlads: how to check on my status setting? |
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| 06:31.23 | matlads | put your mouse over the small icon at the lower left corner of the main kopete window |
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| 06:33.07 | hja123 | matlads: i'm on xchat now, will switch over to kopete later. Now if the status says 'invisible' how to correct that? |
| 06:33.32 | danikata | di debian sarge has remove netcardconfig ? |
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| 06:34.07 | streuner | danikata: #debian-boot? |
| 06:34.08 | zophyx | i ran out of disk space when i was upgrading so i would now like to re-install all the packages i have in /var/cache/apt/archives, what command should i use to accomplish this ? |
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| 06:34.39 | Guerin | zophyx: the same command you initially used |
| 06:34.48 | zophyx | i would nowlike to re-install all the packages i have in /var/cache/apt/archives, what command should i use to accomplish this ? |
| 06:34.54 | Guerin | zophyx: the same command you initially used |
| 06:35.06 | zophyx | hmm,, amazing |
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| 06:35.12 | zophyx | thanks |
| 06:35.15 | Guerin | like magic |
| 06:35.36 | Guerin | debian isn't made by computer p[rogrammers, it's made by arcanists |
| 06:35.57 | takatumi | anachronists? |
| 06:36.00 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:36.05 | Guerin | creative ones? |
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| 06:36.57 | Guerin | thank ll the gods it's friday |
| 06:37.02 | Guerin | all of them, even |
| 06:37.14 | takatumi | pretty quiet. |
| 06:37.16 | simonrvn | new spin on 'tgif' |
| 06:37.26 | takatumi | !tgif |
| 06:37.36 | takatumi | !nada |
| 06:37.38 | Guerin | takatumi: tacky restaurant chain |
| 06:37.53 | takatumi | Guerin: I know, we have a few here. |
| 06:38.08 | Guerin | i try to avoid them whenever I go to seoul |
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| 06:38.26 | Guerin | but some idiot inevitably sways a few of the crowd into lowering their standards |
| 06:38.27 | takatumi | Guerin: me too, wherever I go. |
| 06:38.37 | simonrvn | eh? 'thank g($deity) it's friday' |
| 06:38.38 | Guerin | that and Outback Steakhouse |
| 06:39.07 | Guerin | simonrvn: you probably are fortunate enough to not have many tacky chain restaurants like TGI Friday's in Quebec |
| 06:39.23 | Guerin | i know we are in NZ |
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| 06:40.03 | Guerin | i have to start work at another school in 5 minutes |
| 06:40.10 | streuner | Quebec? i thought montreal is alone over 4 Million? |
| 06:40.12 | Guerin | i do hope they're going to give me a ride soon |
| 06:40.15 | simonrvn | never heard of it. but we're not fortunte enough to have avoided walmart and hooters |
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| 06:40.23 | Guerin | simonrvn: :( |
| 06:40.25 | takatumi | Guerin: I'll be joining another bank in a little more than a month. |
| 06:40.37 | simonrvn | what? mtl. is 2 mill. tops |
| 06:41.05 | Guerin | takatumi: http://feayn.org/~lewis/why_i_am_glad_i_dont_have_a_korean_bank_account.jpg |
| 06:41.05 | streuner | what's the biggest city in .ca? |
| 06:41.12 | bucky | walmart and hooters.. what a combination |
| 06:41.56 | maher | simonrvn: you're in quebec, whereabouts? |
| 06:42.01 | takatumi | Guerin: heh |
| 06:42.19 | Guerin | takatumi: the sad thing is: i DO have a korean bank account now |
| 06:42.34 | takatumi | Guerin: banks are a necessary evil. |
| 06:42.43 | Guerin | takatumi: they facilitate getting paid |
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| 06:42.50 | Guerin | getting paid is quite cool |
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| 06:43.22 | Guerin | i got some other korean atm-crash photos a while back |
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| 06:43.36 | Guerin | atm runnin a 1997 version of os/2 |
| 06:43.48 | Guerin | in a permanent reboot-and-check loop |
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| 06:44.17 | simonrvn | maher: scroll up ;) |
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| 06:44.46 | Guerin | my wife BSOD'd a coin-op locker once |
| 06:44.46 | maher | simonrvn: I'll be in montreal next year... |
| 06:44.49 | simonrvn | i have too. rather funny |
| 06:44.50 | Guerin | that was cool |
| 06:44.55 | simonrvn | neat |
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| 06:45.13 | Guerin | it wasn't replicable, though |
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| 06:45.17 | simonrvn | (sorry, re: atms, not coin-op ;) |
| 06:45.23 | hja123 | matlads: just tried kopete, keyboard hang as mentioned earlier. no icon at the lower left corner. there is a 'status' item under 'File' menu. |
| 06:45.52 | freewoody | Hello all |
| 06:46.10 | hja123 | what is the latest version of kopete for sarge? |
| 06:46.18 | takatumi | and no it wasn't a screensaver, I checked. |
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| 06:46.21 | simonrvn | !info kopete sarge |
| 06:46.24 | dpkg | kopete: (Instant messenger program), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3683 kB, Installed size: 13152 kB |
| 06:46.27 | streuner | hja123: /msg dpkg info kopete sarge |
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| 06:46.48 | hja123 | thanks all. |
| 06:46.56 | simonrvn | what's with the multiple connections? |
| 06:47.05 | hja123 | !info kopete sarge |
| 06:47.08 | dpkg | kopete: (Instant messenger program), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3683 kB, Installed size: 13152 kB |
| 06:47.23 | simonrvn | um, i just did that... |
| 06:47.53 | hja123 | sorry, worng entry. |
| 06:47.54 | takatumi | he's been whining on d-u as well. |
| 06:48.05 | simonrvn | maher: well, welcome in advance :) |
| 06:48.13 | freewoody | How can I install Debian 3.0 on my Drive C which has Windows XP |
| 06:48.24 | takatumi | freewoody: don't, try 3.1 |
| 06:48.38 | freewoody | Why is that so ? |
| 06:48.43 | loren | im not exactly sure as to how debian for correctly format the non used part of the windows partition |
| 06:48.48 | loren | but i do know that Xandros can |
| 06:48.56 | loren | but Xandros is crap |
| 06:49.07 | streuner | freewoody: /msg dpkg ig |
| 06:49.11 | streuner | freewoody: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 06:49.28 | simonrvn | .... WTF would one fucking distro be able to and debian not? they use the same goddamned tools... |
| 06:49.31 | freewoody | I see |
| 06:49.41 | freewoody | Well I am dual booting Windows XP and FreeBSD |
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| 06:50.08 | KodeK | I just got subversion working, and i...LOVE IT! |
| 06:50.11 | takatumi | freewoody: /msg dpkg releases |
| 06:50.13 | freewoody | Now I need to wipe out my Windows XP in my primary partition on /dev/hda1 and install Debian in it |
| 06:50.27 | maher | freewoody: that's easy |
| 06:50.36 | freewoody | Well how do I go about doing that from FreeBSD |
| 06:50.39 | simonrvn | so read the install guide and do it. no need to tell us step by step |
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| 06:50.49 | takatumi | freewoody: debootstrap |
| 06:50.51 | simonrvn | uh |
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| 06:51.10 | takatumi | no, maybe not. |
| 06:51.14 | Rydekull | hmm |
| 06:51.42 | zignig | KodeK: have a look at websvn if you want a good web browser for your svn repos. |
| 06:51.49 | simonrvn | just boot from cd or floppy and do it like a norbal [sic] person |
| 06:52.01 | hja123 | just check my kopete. Qt:3.3.3, KDE:3.2.3, Kopete:0.8.2. How come i'm so far behind. M=Got my cdrom in last Dec! |
| 06:52.03 | KodeK | zignig: thank you, thats just what i was looking for |
| 06:52.16 | KodeK | zignig: wait, wait, is this a svn client? |
| 06:52.17 | takatumi | yeah, since its a windows partition that is the best approach. |
| 06:52.24 | simonrvn | jharrison: because you haven't updated and upgraded since then? |
| 06:52.31 | simonrvn | jharrison: sorry, misfire |
| 06:52.37 | simonrvn | hja123: because you haven't updated and upgraded since then? |
| 06:52.52 | zignig | KodeK: no , it sits on the svn machine and will let you browse the svn repositories. |
| 06:53.00 | KodeK | zignig: i see. |
| 06:53.16 | KodeK | zignig: is it a standalone process, or an apache module? |
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| 06:53.38 | KodeK | zignig: seems to be an apache1 module.. :/ |
| 06:53.40 | hja123 | simonvrn: update, yes, upgrade, no. |
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| 06:54.43 | zignig | KodeK: its a php script(S) |
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| 06:54.54 | KodeK | zignig: i see. |
| 06:55.09 | KodeK | zignig: it just installed apache for me :) (apt-get did), i only had apache2 installed |
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| 06:55.43 | simonrvn | um, if you have apache2 theere, why install apache1? |
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| 06:56.10 | chealer | KodeK: it depends on apache2 or httpd |
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| 06:56.39 | KodeK | chealer: im setting it up, one sec |
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| 06:57.05 | takatumi | hja123: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:57.42 | simonrvn | CTCP VERSION reply from KodeK: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 06:57.45 | KodeK | zignig, chealer: i just installed websvn, how do i access it? |
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| 06:57.53 | KodeK | simonrvn: im using mirc, yes. |
| 06:57.58 | hja123 | takatumi: its 3.1 |
| 06:58.10 | freewoody | Well where can I get the Debian 3.1 ISO Image ? |
| 06:58.10 | simonrvn | read the README |
| 06:58.29 | takatumi | !d-i freewoody |
| 06:58.29 | KodeK | simonrvn: whats wrong with mirc? |
| 06:58.29 | streuner | freewoody: scroll up |
| 06:58.30 | dpkg | freewoody, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:58.30 | chealer | KodeK: no idea, I guess you get to the URL where the apache puts the php scripts |
| 06:58.38 | simonrvn | www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:59.12 | simonrvn | KodeK: plenty i don't have room for in one irc session |
| 06:59.37 | KodeK | simonrvn: im using windows as my desktop, my linux server is under my bed (not literally) |
| 06:59.40 | hja123 | takatumi: cat /etc/debian_version says 3.1, no need to upgrade, right? |
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| 07:00.02 | takatumi | hja123: depends on what you want to do. |
| 07:00.28 | hja123 | ust to get the latest version of Kopete |
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| 07:00.42 | hja123 | takatumi: just to get the latest version of Kopete |
| 07:00.48 | KodeK | simonrvn: is there anything wrong with mirc besides preference? |
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| 07:01.02 | simonrvn | i'm not repeating myself |
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| 07:01.37 | chealer | hum, why doesn't apache2 provide httpd :? |
| 07:02.04 | takatumi | KodeK: yes, it lacks functionality. |
| 07:02.16 | KodeK | takatumi: im not worried about that, though |
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| 07:02.33 | KodeK | takatumi: do they have a windows port of bitchx? |
| 07:02.41 | KodeK | i'd gladly use it |
| 07:03.03 | simonrvn | ...from bad to bad... xchat, build it yourself, and it's free as in beer |
| 07:03.05 | freewoody | Hey guys I am new to Debian |
| 07:03.22 | KodeK | simonrvn: why would i use xchat? |
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| 07:03.30 | freewoody | What's this Sarge and Potato about ? |
| 07:03.47 | chealer | !tell freewoody about releases |
| 07:03.50 | *** part/#debian hja123 (hja123@bb219-74-21-65.singnet.com.sg) |
| 07:03.53 | simonrvn | because it isn't a r00t hole waiting to happen like bitchx or mirc |
| 07:03.55 | chealer | !potato |
| 07:03.55 | dpkg | i heard potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
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| 07:04.39 | KodeK | anyway, ive got websvn installed, but when i access it, it tries to download the php script. does that mean that php is not configured properly? |
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| 07:05.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:05.23 | freewoody | Well I only used Ubuntu and I want to try out Debian now |
| 07:05.31 | KodeK | simonrvn: would you mind pointing me to the right direction? |
| 07:05.46 | BrianAnthony | freewoody: Ubuntu blows |
| 07:05.46 | freewoody | Which version of Debian should I use ? |
| 07:05.49 | simonrvn | read the comments in apache2.conf |
| 07:05.52 | chealer | freewoody: sarge |
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| 07:06.03 | KodeK | simonrvn: rgr |
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| 07:06.10 | takatumi | KodeK: try doing this in mirc. http://gpoppy.org/2004-11-22-153500_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 07:06.28 | tomb0y | kodek: make sure you have php installed, you have php module loaded, and you have this in apache.conf AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 07:06.36 | simonrvn | KodeK: ask someone else if you want handholding |
| 07:06.50 | freewoody | Can I use the unstable version of Debian ? |
| 07:06.51 | KodeK | tomb0y: thanks, that'll get me going |
| 07:07.01 | jetx | no it will melt your box |
| 07:07.14 | nayyares | in ma comupter-lab some of the computers are sending MSBLASTER packets to ma Service-provider, i want to find which computer is effected, what command will do this search for me, if i do execute that on ma cache-server? |
| 07:07.20 | KodeK | takatumi: what am i looking at in the screenshot? |
| 07:07.21 | bob2 | freewoody: if you have to ask, it's probably a bad idea |
| 07:07.35 | cafuego | nayyares: Can't your ma figure that out for herself? |
| 07:07.37 | BrianAnthony | freewoody: maybe you should stick with Noppix and Ubuntu =P |
| 07:07.39 | takatumi | KodeK: never mind. |
| 07:07.39 | BrianAnthony | or |
| 07:07.43 | BrianAnthony | what is that shit called |
| 07:07.44 | BrianAnthony | knoppix |
| 07:07.48 | BrianAnthony | yeah, that's it |
| 07:07.55 | freewoody | I am now downloading Sarge RC3, how stable is that ? |
| 07:07.55 | KodeK | takatumi: no, seriously, what am i looking at? |
| 07:08.01 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: go peddle your wares elsewhere. |
| 07:08.05 | freewoody | Well I don't like knoppix |
| 07:08.23 | cafuego | freewoody: There isn't much of a difference between an ubuntu system and a sarge desktop system running gnome. What do you plan on doing with the machine? |
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| 07:08.29 | bob2 | freewoody: quite stable |
| 07:08.32 | BrianAnthony | takatumi: sorry, up on cafeen after an MC Chris show |
| 07:08.34 | nayyares | cafuego: i m sorry , but please explain it :( |
| 07:08.43 | chealer | BrianAnthony: why should he stick with that? |
| 07:08.48 | freewoody | Well I want it to be a workstation |
| 07:08.59 | cafuego | freewoody: *nod* So X, office, browser, mail? |
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| 07:09.18 | BrianAnthony | cafuego: emacs =P |
| 07:09.21 | freewoody | cafuego, Yes something like that |
| 07:09.25 | Rydekull | Ubuntu really, if it's to be debian-based and easy to get started with |
| 07:09.29 | cafuego | BrianAnthony: Please stop speaking to me. |
| 07:09.44 | freewoody | Can I get that ISO image to boot from an existing Unix UFS ? |
| 07:09.50 | cafuego | freewoody: Want to use Gnome for a deasktop environment? |
| 07:09.58 | freewoody | Yes |
| 07:10.06 | cafuego | freewoody: Just stick with Ubuntu then. |
| 07:10.21 | bob2 | freewoody: unix? haha. |
| 07:10.22 | freewoody | Well I want to try Debian now |
| 07:10.25 | shakta_ | where is the kde "kicker" panel file, i updated and lost some links. |
| 07:10.27 | cafuego | freewoody: Debian is not going to give you abetter Gnome desktop set-up. |
| 07:10.30 | takatumi | !badgerknoppix |
| 07:10.30 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 07:10.35 | freewoody | I want Debian and FreeBSD to dual boot on my system |
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| 07:10.46 | Rydekull | takatumi: :D |
| 07:10.47 | freewoody | Why is that so ? |
| 07:10.51 | cafuego | freewoody: Then sarge rc3 should be fine. |
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| 07:10.59 | cafuego | freewoody: Why is what so? |
| 07:11.10 | freewoody | I am using Gnome 2.10 on FreeBSD 5.3 |
| 07:11.18 | nayyares | Is there any option in tcpdump ,so that i can match specific packet sender, e.g. $tcpdump -i eth1 "MSBLASTER" ???? |
| 07:11.20 | freewoody | Why is Gnome not good in Debian Sarge RC3 ? |
| 07:11.25 | cafuego | freewoody: You won't be using GNome 2.10 on sarge. |
| 07:11.46 | takatumi | freewoody: 2.10 ain't even in unstable/sid. pending until after sarge release. |
| 07:11.46 | cafuego | freewoody: I never said it was no good, I'm just saying it's not as new or well-integrated as in ubuntu. |
| 07:12.06 | freewoody | Well can't I update the sources.list using apt-get or something ? |
| 07:12.07 | cafuego | freewoody: if you *specifically* want to use Gnome, stick with ubuntu. Really. |
| 07:12.17 | freewoody | to get the Gnome 2.10 fro debian |
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| 07:12.29 | cafuego | freewoody: Gnome 2.10 is not IN debian. |
| 07:12.30 | nayyares | hey , guys help me out :( |
| 07:12.37 | chealer | freewoody: 2.10 is not in debian, use 2.8 instead |
| 07:12.39 | freewoody | I said that I want to use Debian now |
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| 07:12.43 | cafuego | freewoody: And installing a non-debian version will break the system. |
| 07:12.49 | bob2 | nayyares: your question makes no sense |
| 07:12.57 | bob2 | nayyares: that's why no one is trying to help you |
| 07:12.58 | cafuego | nayyares: You need 'tcpdump'. |
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| 07:13.09 | jethro | moin moin |
| 07:13.12 | freewoody | Well what about booting the Debian ISO image from FreeBSD ? |
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| 07:13.18 | bob2 | nayyares: do you mean "is there an option to make tcpdump only care about packets from a particular source IP?"? |
| 07:13.23 | cafuego | nayyares: Just use -'x or somesuch to check packet data. |
| 07:13.25 | bob2 | freewoody: just burn it |
| 07:13.46 | freewoody | Well my System does not have a CD drive |
| 07:14.03 | takatumi | freewoody: debootstrap is an option, however a CD or floppy install maybe be easier. |
| 07:14.07 | bob2 | !+rube goldberg install |
| 07:14.07 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 07:14.10 | nayyares | cafuego: i want to know which IP sends "MSBLASTER" related packets ? |
| 07:14.22 | ack3 | i just did a fresh install, i can apt-get update. but when it comes to security.debian.org, it would just time out, i can come to irc, but i just surf the net.. when i do pings to like google.com it shows the IP but i dont get any replies.. i have no problems pinging the other local machines in the network tho... anything that i have missed out? |
| 07:14.23 | cafuego | nayyares: Look at your tcpdump output and guess. |
| 07:14.23 | Golfgeo | Hi all, got a question: How many CPU's does Linux support these day's? (Last time I checked it was 8, but with AMD's Optron dual core cpu's in both the 1xx, 2xx en 8xx series I was just wondering if I could use 8 dual core 8xx's)? |
| 07:14.27 | freewoody | I want Debian installed in Drive C which has Windows XP installed |
| 07:14.29 | bob2 | nayyares: does this network have an admin? |
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| 07:14.39 | bob2 | Golfgeo: a lot more than 8 |
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| 07:14.41 | cafuego | Golfgeo: 256 or somesuch, maybe more, but non-optimised. |
| 07:14.49 | bob2 | Golfgeo: whether it usefully scales depends on what you're doing |
| 07:15.02 | freewoody | Can somebody point me to that link which answers the bootstrap booting in Debian? |
| 07:15.09 | pureone | nayyares check out snort and read up on writing rules for it if you want to pick up worms / port scanning etc |
| 07:15.15 | Golfgeo | cafuego, is that right out of the box or does it need special pathes? |
| 07:15.29 | jetx | !tell freewoody about d-i |
| 07:15.31 | cafuego | Golfgeo: Just out of the box. More recent 2.6 kernels have better SMP support. |
| 07:15.49 | streuner | jetx: he said he hasn't an CDROM |
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| 07:15.57 | Golfgeo | cafuego, bob2, thanks mates :-) |
| 07:16.01 | nayyares | pureone: please if you can give me command :( |
| 07:16.03 | cafuego | Golfgeo: The installer might not use an SMP kernel, but you can install and boot one right after initials etup. |
| 07:16.06 | streuner | jetx: J E T S C R E A M E R !!!! |
| 07:16.18 | jethro | wii jetx |
| 07:16.20 | pureone | nayyares there is no 1 command for it |
| 07:16.36 | streuner | !tell freewoody about dbootstrap |
| 07:16.39 | nayyares | pureone; :) |
| 07:16.42 | jetx | <S>treuner: the info can be reached from there !!!!!!!!!!!-----------------------> |
| 07:16.47 | bob2 | nayyares: why don't you just run anti virus software on all these machines? |
| 07:16.47 | aardvark | helix: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/notmeep10.jpg |
| 07:16.49 | jethro | heya tabbuyddy :) |
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| 07:16.53 | Golfgeo | cafuego :-) |
| 07:16.55 | bob2 | nayyares: or look at your flow data and see who's using the most bandwidth? |
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| 07:17.28 | freewoody | So how do I bootstrap Debian from FreeBSD ? |
| 07:17.42 | bob2 | freewoody: just get a cd drive |
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| 07:17.46 | bob2 | freewoody: or a floppy drive |
| 07:17.48 | streuner | Who delete the factoid (dbootstrap? |
| 07:17.51 | bob2 | or just use freebsd |
| 07:17.53 | streuner | deleted |
| 07:17.54 | bob2 | or whatever |
| 07:17.59 | jethro | or install from a usb pen! |
| 07:18.05 | bob2 | hah, indeed |
| 07:18.07 | nayyares | bob2: you are right i have done it, but still many of them sends it odd time. |
| 07:18.08 | bob2 | or PXE |
| 07:18.14 | zignig | mmm PXE |
| 07:18.17 | cafuego | streuner: you forgot an 'e' |
| 07:18.18 | jethro | yeah PXE is what he wants I guess |
| 07:18.23 | bob2 | nayyares: you're the admin for this network? |
| 07:18.42 | streuner | cafuego: my mistake, Past Tense. |
| 07:19.00 | nayyares | bob2: :) yes, for instance |
| 07:19.08 | simonrvn | !debootstrap |
| 07:19.08 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
| 07:19.15 | simonrvn | typo, streuner |
| 07:19.50 | bob2 | nayyares: ouch |
| 07:20.08 | streuner | Fr Apr 8 09:20:07 CEST 2005 |
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| 07:20.52 | KodeK | :sigh:, I installed the php4 module for apache2, how can i make sure it's being loaded correctly? |
| 07:21.19 | bob2 | read your logs |
| 07:21.22 | bob2 | or HEAD localhost |
| 07:21.29 | bob2 | or run the test page |
| 07:21.33 | bob2 | or try to run a php program |
| 07:21.36 | KodeK | the test page runs fine |
| 07:21.55 | bob2 | the php test page? |
| 07:21.58 | KodeK | but firefox is trying to dl the php file instead of displaying it |
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| 07:22.18 | KodeK | and my config files seem to be ok, load the module, then add the php extension |
| 07:22.18 | pingouin | how avoid a make menuconfig to grab symbools from /boot/old-builded-debian-kernel ? i got a lot of error/warning about : try to assign non-existent symbol /boot/config-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 07:22.29 | bob2 | KodeK: then it's misconfigured |
| 07:22.47 | KodeK | i let apt-get do the configuring :? |
| 07:22.48 | KodeK | * :/ |
| 07:23.08 | Rydekull | KodeK: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 07:23.10 | freewoody | When does the partition appear in the CD install of Debian ? |
| 07:23.15 | KodeK | Rydekull: thats what i did |
| 07:23.20 | nayyares | bob2: there should be some option , through which i can match certain string in packet, i have red tcpdump manual but cant find. |
| 07:23.26 | Rydekull | KodeK: then it should work :P |
| 07:23.28 | bob2 | KodeK: but you didn't read the README.Debian? |
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| 07:23.36 | pingouin | Kodeck : you have to edit your httpd.conf |
| 07:23.36 | Rydekull | KodeK: restarted apache recently? |
| 07:23.38 | KodeK | bob2: where's that file located? |
| 07:23.40 | bob2 | nayyares: "there should be" = you think someone should have implemented that? |
| 07:23.42 | KodeK | Rydekull: restarted twice |
| 07:23.46 | bob2 | KodeK: same place all documentation is |
| 07:23.50 | bob2 | KodeK: /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
| 07:23.56 | pingouin | KodeK: to make php php3 php4 file to be procceed, not dowloaded |
| 07:24.24 | KodeK | pingouin: in apache2, the main file is apache2.conf |
| 07:24.37 | pingouin | KodeK: ok, you've read the doc ;) |
| 07:24.39 | KodeK | pingouin: and i made sure it loads the other config files which load the module and then add the extension |
| 07:24.55 | pingouin | KodeK: i dont know i run «the old» one not apach2 |
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| 07:25.04 | KodeK | pingouin: :) |
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| 07:25.23 | KodeK | how can i see what modules are loaded? |
| 07:25.32 | bob2 | 17:21:20 bob2 | read your logs |
| 07:25.36 | bob2 | !+unix basics |
| 07:25.39 | bob2 | !+unix lessons |
| 07:25.40 | dpkg | hmm... unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 07:25.50 | KodeK | bob2: will logs say "module x is loaded"? |
| 07:26.00 | KodeK | bob2: because logs usually keep information of errors. |
| 07:26.12 | bob2 | KodeK: I'll answer after you look |
| 07:26.20 | KodeK | bob2: heh, fine |
| 07:26.41 | KodeK | [Thu Apr 07 16:20:35 2005] [notice] Apache/2.0.53 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-9 configured -- resuming normal operations |
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| 07:27.10 | bob2 | unix lesson #12 is LISTEN TO TEH BOB2 |
| 07:27.15 | chealer | what is lesson 10 for? |
| 07:27.20 | bob2 | (unless he is full of crap) |
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| 07:27.24 | bob2 | chealer: things like playing with ssh or pam |
| 07:27.24 | KodeK | bob2: it doesnt say if it's loaded or not, it says it's configured |
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| 07:27.50 | bob2 | KodeK: dude |
| 07:27.50 | chealer | bob2: hum, ok |
| 07:28.10 | idnar | !ops One is on-join spamming |
| 07:28.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: One is on-join spamming |
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| 07:28.33 | KodeK | bob2: :) so, i'll assume it's loaded, so that means i can also assume that my addtype line is also being read. |
| 07:28.41 | helix | I didn't get any spam |
| 07:28.47 | bob2 | nor I |
| 07:28.53 | idnar | helix: caphuso beat you to it |
| 07:28.57 | caphuso | 09:28 [One] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 07:29.06 | idnar | not sure why bob2 didn't get it |
| 07:29.12 | zinx | caphuso: just what i wanted! |
| 07:29.13 | bbrazil | race condition :) |
| 07:29.22 | bob2 | I had +CE the first time I tried |
| 07:29.24 | idnar | *chuckle* |
| 07:29.24 | streuner | hm, yesterday we had an 'delay' bot, suss. got the message, but i didn't |
| 07:29.28 | bob2 | KodeK: where did you put it? |
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| 07:29.34 | idnar | bob2: ah |
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| 07:29.41 | hja123 | when i 'apt-get install kopete' it says: "kopete: Depends :kdelibs4 but it is not going to be installed." How to overomce this? |
| 07:29.43 | KodeK | bob2: it's in the mod-enabled directory |
| 07:29.49 | bob2 | hja123: #debian-kde |
| 07:29.54 | bob2 | KodeK: you shouldn't have to touch anything |
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| 07:30.09 | KodeK | bob2: exactly. but it still doesnt work :/ |
| 07:30.22 | streuner | bob2: the bot prolly sends randomly the stuff to the users, not to everyone... |
| 07:30.40 | streuner | they learned... |
| 07:30.43 | hja123 | bob2: it is not a kde problem, it is a apt-get install. |
| 07:30.53 | bob2 | hja123: sorry, wrong |
| 07:31.02 | bob2 | hja123: it's a problem with the kde packages |
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| 07:31.52 | hja123 | bob2: nothing to do with upgrading? |
| 07:32.00 | mearth | how many CD does debian sarge needs? |
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| 07:32.23 | aardvark | cplx/oakland |
| 07:32.26 | chealer | hja123: you don't have kdelib4 installed? |
| 07:32.38 | cplx | yeh fully aardvark |
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| 07:32.41 | cplx | if you only had a clue. |
| 07:32.44 | chealer | mearth: only one as long as you have broadbanf connection |
| 07:32.46 | bob2 | hja123: it's a problem with the kde packages |
| 07:32.50 | freewoody | Can someone tell me where I can find screenshots of the Debian Installationg part |
| 07:32.52 | cplx | !fix aardvark |
| 07:33.04 | bob2 | mearth: sarge is like 14 cds, but you're way better off installing over the network if you can |
| 07:33.13 | bob2 | cplx: can you stop being so annoying? |
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| 07:33.25 | bob2 | freewoody: I wouldn't bother. it looks like a text console. |
| 07:33.26 | cplx | I don't like being accused of being a 'spambot' |
| 07:33.27 | hja123 | bob2: what is the problem what the kde packages? |
| 07:33.34 | cplx | bob2 thinks he runs the place |
| 07:33.35 | cplx | quite funny really. |
| 07:33.38 | bob2 | hja123: they're broken? |
| 07:33.40 | bob2 | cplx: please? |
| 07:33.43 | cplx | no? |
| 07:33.45 | simonrvn | the bots usually have fucked up usernames |
| 07:34.01 | cplx | yea? right. |
| 07:34.03 | zignig | !op |
| 07:34.07 | mearth | netinst? |
| 07:34.07 | mearth | chearler: are u sugesting then the netinst |
| 07:34.15 | aardvark | simonrvn: like _Comp|ex`_-? |
| 07:34.18 | chealer | mearth: yes that's good too |
| 07:34.21 | simonrvn | usually a mix of upper/lower case letters, more rarely with a one numeral |
| 07:34.23 | mearth | bob2: then u sugest the netinst? |
| 07:34.25 | bob2 | cplx: do you have anything Debian-related to discuss? |
| 07:34.30 | simonrvn | s/a one/one/ |
| 07:34.32 | hja123 | bob2:ok, i'll go over to #debian-kde and see what they say. |
| 07:34.33 | cplx | no? |
| 07:34.33 | bob2 | mearth: if you have a reasonable network connection, yeah |
| 07:34.42 | bob2 | cplx: ok, might be best if you go then |
| 07:34.50 | mearth | chearler: what would be the instalation CD i need to have the system over the network? |
| 07:34.51 | simonrvn | no. first s/he's talking ;) |
| 07:34.52 | bob2 | as much fun as trolling me must surely be |
| 07:34.57 | cplx | I dont see the rest of the 740 people talking about debian at this point in time. |
| 07:34.58 | freewoody | What does the partition part of the installation look like ? |
| 07:35.04 | chealer | !tell mearth about testing netinst |
| 07:35.10 | cplx | sheesh. |
| 07:35.11 | mearth | bob2: i have DSL |
| 07:35.18 | simonrvn | the spam bots don't speak in the chan ;) |
| 07:35.21 | freewoody | I mean, how do I see my hard drives. Is it like Slackware? |
| 07:35.24 | bob2 | cplx: yeah, but they're quiet and unannoying |
| 07:35.37 | cplx | well your the ones that made me talk. |
| 07:35.38 | bob2 | freewoody: it uses a tool called partman, which is specific to Debian |
| 07:36.14 | streuner | simonrvn: if you would ban every idler here ... ;-) |
| 07:36.14 | bob2 | (well, Debian and derivatives) |
| 07:36.14 | cplx | bleh |
| 07:36.14 | bob2 | cplx: blah blah blah |
| 07:36.14 | cplx | waste of time |
| 07:36.14 | cplx | no clue mate |
| 07:36.14 | mearth | chearler thanx |
| 07:36.14 | simonrvn | streuner: me? nah |
| 07:36.15 | streuner | hm |
| 07:36.15 | chealer | mearth: it's my pleasure :) |
| 07:36.24 | freewoody | Well does that tool called partman give me options to partition my disk ? |
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| 07:36.33 | takatumi | freewoody: try http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/03/12#ttyplay |
| 07:36.40 | bob2 | freewoody: yes, of course |
| 07:36.44 | freewoody | Do I have to type: fdisk /dev/hda |
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| 07:37.50 | bob2 | freewoody: dude, no |
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| 07:37.55 | bob2 | freewoody: why don't you just try it already? |
| 07:38.06 | notty | how can i find out the memory frequence from the console ? |
| 07:38.15 | tosh| | sigh... when is linux going to have a decent pdf reader |
| 07:38.22 | ack3 | i just did a fresh install, i can apt-get update. but when it comes to security.debian.org, it would just time out, i can come to irc, but i just surf the net.. when i do pings to like google.com it shows the IP but i dont get any replies.. i have no problems pinging the other local machines in the network tho... anything that i have missed out? what i have in resolv.conf is what i have in my win machines in dns... |
| 07:38.32 | bob2 | tosh|: xpdf. |
| 07:38.37 | KodeK | okay, apache is making fun of me: |
| 07:38.38 | tosh| | bob2 I said a decent reader |
| 07:38.38 | KodeK | [Thu Apr 07 16:38:27 2005] [warn] module php4_module is already loaded, skipping |
| 07:38.42 | takatumi | tosh|: xpdf, gpdf, kpdf doesn't cut it? |
| 07:38.43 | tosh| | bob2 not acroread or xpdf :( |
| 07:38.51 | bob2 | tosh|: have you filed bugs about whatever you didn't like in it? |
| 07:38.52 | tosh| | takatumi not if you want to send stuff to the presses |
| 07:38.55 | KodeK | so php4 IS loaded, and the AddType line IS there, yet it doesnt process my php files |
| 07:39.04 | takatumi | tosh|: ah, yes. |
| 07:39.05 | zignig | KodeK: its not the pdf module its the binding for .pdf -> execute as pdf. |
| 07:39.16 | zignig | KodeK: *.php rather |
| 07:39.24 | KodeK | zignig: that's there too |
| 07:39.28 | KodeK | AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 07:39.39 | tosh| | pixels are all smudgy |
| 07:39.42 | tosh| | colors are plain wrong |
| 07:39.47 | freewoody | Can somebody just tell me the steps installing Debian Linux? |
| 07:39.54 | freewoody | 1 = boot from CD |
| 07:39.57 | takatumi | tosh|: maybe look at latex, dvi etc. |
| 07:39.58 | tosh| | 2 = |
| 07:39.59 | tosh| | 3 = profit |
| 07:40.03 | freewoody | 2 = Configure keyboard |
| 07:40.03 | zignig | KodeK: did you restart apache and your browser ? |
| 07:40.06 | cafuego | 2 = Read screen and act appropriately. |
| 07:40.12 | KodeK | zignig: why the browser? |
| 07:40.13 | freewoody | 3 = partition the hard disk |
| 07:40.22 | tosh| | freewoody 4 = read the manual! |
| 07:40.24 | zignig | KodeK: some of them cache the file types for some reason . |
| 07:40.28 | chealer | !tell freewoody about ig |
| 07:40.28 | takatumi | freewoody: RTFM |
| 07:40.29 | freewoody | 4 = load a kernel |
| 07:40.37 | tosh| | freewoody read the manual |
| 07:40.40 | KodeK | zignig: i was using firefox, i'll try internet explorer |
| 07:40.47 | zignig | KodeK: noooo ! |
| 07:40.50 | zignig | :) |
| 07:40.51 | streuner | freewoody: go and read ig, and don't paste that crap here. |
| 07:40.53 | KodeK | zignig: heh |
| 07:40.57 | tosh| | KodeK that is the path of the dark side |
| 07:41.01 | notty | how can i find out the memory frequence from the console ? |
| 07:41.21 | freewoody | 5 = Installation complete ? |
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| 07:41.42 | KodeK | zignig: ok, so..the page is taking forever to "Open" |
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| 07:41.50 | KodeK | zignig: im going to restart one more time |
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| 07:42.07 | simonrvn | let the daemon finish starting up first.... |
| 07:42.12 | pureone | mmmm root |
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| 07:42.18 | simonrvn | @tell Erz -about root |
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| 07:43.24 | zignig | pureone: su : the easy way to get a root ;) |
| 07:43.48 | KodeK | YES, it works! zignig: here's your eCookie (----) |
| 07:43.55 | simonrvn | su - some_user. the easy way to irc safely if you're stuck in init 1 |
| 07:44.18 | KodeK | zignig: now it's time to deal with permissions :P (im getting permission denied errors :P) |
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| 07:44.40 | zignig | KodeK: chown the svn directory to www-data |
| 07:44.51 | KodeK | zignig: ok |
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| 07:45.27 | Erz | is kde one of the best interfaces? |
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| 07:45.36 | zignig | KodeK: recursivly ( -R) |
| 07:45.39 | cafuego | !tell Erz -about best |
| 07:45.46 | KodeK | zignig: thats what i was about to ask you |
| 07:45.49 | cafuego | Erz: Please don't start religious wars here. |
| 07:45.58 | Erz | ?? |
| 07:46.00 | Erz | what am i doing |
| 07:46.02 | KodeK | zignig: chown -R www-data /svnrep/ ? |
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| 07:46.20 | zignig | KodeK: yesy |
| 07:46.30 | cafuego | Erz: You're asking a silly question that has no objective answer. |
| 07:46.34 | Erz | can someone pls tell me how to install kde |
| 07:46.40 | KodeK | zignig: and IT WORKED! |
| 07:46.44 | chealer | !tell Erz about install kde |
| 07:46.53 | cafuego | Erz: The topic on #debian-kde has links to docs for installing KDE. |
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| 07:46.59 | zignig | KodeK: that'll be another cookie please ;) |
| 07:47.07 | simonrvn | @wb asg |
| 07:47.08 | Erz | i iare these bots talking to me? |
| 07:47.12 | ravenbird | Welcome back asg, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 07:47.18 | KodeK | zignig: (--o--) that one has a chocolate chip |
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| 07:47.27 | streuner | Does someone using ilohamail? i chowned the whole dir in /var/www/ilohamail with www-data and i have to chmod it to 777! |
| 07:47.35 | cafuego | KodeK: Looks like a baby goatse.xc to me, not a cookie |
| 07:47.36 | streuner | in order to get results |
| 07:47.42 | KodeK | cafuego: hahah |
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| 07:48.13 | KodeK | cafuego: how would you ascii a cookie? :D |
| 07:48.25 | Erz | how do i install kde, when i installed debian i only had the option of xdm or gdm |
| 07:48.34 | Erz | but on my laptop i had kdm, gdm and xdm options |
| 07:48.36 | eye69 | streuner: Why on earth did you do that? |
| 07:48.44 | chealer | Erz: apt-get install kdm |
| 07:49.06 | Erz | sorry but the following packages have unmet dependencies |
| 07:49.08 | Erz | thats what i get |
| 07:49.22 | streuner | eye69: the docs say it should be 640 or such, but i got only results wiht 777 |
| 07:49.30 | chealer | Erz: what's your release? |
| 07:49.32 | simonrvn | streuner: what? NO. adduser a group that www-data can be a part of, then chmod 664 the files and 775 the dirs. at least it'll be safer |
| 07:49.35 | Erz | 3.0 r4 |
| 07:49.42 | cafuego | Erz: KDe is virtually always broken. Check the FAQ via the topic on #debian-kde. |
| 07:49.48 | chealer | Erz: you should *really* upgrade to sarge |
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| 07:49.53 | simonrvn | FFS, 777 is never the answer |
| 07:49.55 | Erz | where do i download sarge |
| 07:49.56 | eye69 | streuner: Yes, and the docs also say that the "data" dir needs to be writable by the webserver. |
| 07:50.01 | Erz | i couldnt find a link on the debian site |
| 07:50.02 | chealer | !d-i Erz |
| 07:50.03 | dpkg | Erz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 07:50.57 | streuner | simonrvn: what's the command (adduser)? |
| 07:50.59 | eye69 | streuner: 'find /var/www/ilohamail -type f -exec chmod 755 "{}" \;' |
| 07:51.07 | simonrvn | adduser --help |
| 07:51.15 | eye69 | streuner: 'find /var/www/ilohamail -type f -exec chmod 644 "{}" \;' |
| 07:51.23 | eye69 | streuner: 'find /var/www/ilohamail -type d -exec chmod 755 "{}" \;' |
| 07:51.41 | eye69 | streuner: 'chown -R root:root /var/www/ilohamail' |
| 07:52.08 | streuner | and that would be safer? |
| 07:52.16 | simonrvn | i like the xargs way, but TMTOWTDI |
| 07:52.21 | eye69 | streuner: 'chown root:www-data /var/www/ilohamail/data' |
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| 07:52.33 | eye69 | streuner: 'chmod 775 /var/www/ilohamail/data' |
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| 07:52.45 | eye69 | streuner: Run all those line and it should work fine, and not be insecure. |
| 07:52.54 | simonrvn | yeh, good stuff |
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| 07:54.50 | danikata | hi all |
| 07:55.03 | Guerin | Shadur: on boot, or what? |
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| 07:55.07 | danikata | how to change display manager kdm witg gdm ? |
| 07:55.18 | Guerin | danikata: install the one you want |
| 07:55.24 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 07:55.55 | simonrvn | er, kdm |
| 07:56.07 | danikata | thanks simonrvn |
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| 07:56.34 | Shadur | Guerin: No, while it was upgrading. |
| 07:57.05 | Shadur | which is especially irritating since it *STARTED EVO AS ROOT* |
| 07:57.14 | Adr | what is a good debian book for beginners |
| 07:57.16 | Adr | to linux |
| 07:57.19 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 07:57.27 | Shadur | but because I'd been using sudo, it tried to read and use my regular user's data files. |
| 07:57.59 | Adr | sarge-i386-1.iso is this the image i want for the install |
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| 07:58.23 | chealer | adr: unless you want the net install |
| 07:58.28 | Adr | whats the difference |
| 07:58.36 | Adr | net install is just installing while you are downloading? |
| 07:58.45 | chealer | the netinst is ~105 MB |
| 07:58.46 | Shadur | I *was* going to go and see if evo had finally unbroken enough to be an acceptable alternative to mutt, but... |
| 07:59.01 | streuner | eye69: i got Warning: fopen("../data/users/mistral.weda.mine.nu/key.inc", "w") - Permission denied in /var/www/IlohaMail/include/write_sinc.FS.inc on line 107 |
| 07:59.02 | chealer | adr: yes |
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| 07:59.31 | Adr | i probably cant pause and resume with netinstall right? |
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| 08:00.23 | chealer | I don't know |
| 08:00.36 | Adr | ok |
| 08:00.51 | eye69 | streuner: 'ls -lad /var/www/ilohamail/data' |
| 08:01.05 | Adr | are there any mirrors for the debian sarge |
| 08:01.23 | chealer | adr: all official debian mirrors |
| 08:01.31 | Adr | im downloading really slow because of my location |
| 08:01.32 | eye69 | streuner: What does that say? |
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| 08:01.35 | streuner | eye69: drwxr-xr-x 7 root www-data 4096 7. Dez 21:39 /var/www/IlohaMail/data |
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| 08:01.46 | libpcp | hi all |
| 08:02.00 | eye69 | streuner: Ok, so the dir is named IlohaMail, not ilohamail |
| 08:02.26 | eye69 | streuner: Redo all the commands I wrote to you, replacing ilohamail with IlohaMail |
| 08:02.27 | streuner | eye69: yes, i substitute the commands you gave, of course |
| 08:02.37 | eye69 | streuner: Ok... |
| 08:02.48 | libpcp | someone is trying to portscan my system and sshing my system, how do i lock down his/her ip address so that my server is not visible to him? |
| 08:03.07 | eye69 | streuner: You probably didn't do the last command, 'chmod 775 /var/www/IlohaMail/data' |
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| 08:03.27 | jm_ | libpcp: DROP all packets |
| 08:03.33 | jm_ | from matching IP-s that is |
| 08:03.34 | eye69 | libpcp: iptables -A INPUT -s their_ip_address -j DROP |
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| 08:04.21 | liable | anyone have an idea why I have to run alsamixer evry boot and increase the volume on pcm, yes I run alsactl store after |
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| 08:06.01 | garth | on a standard debian install, does "ln" give an error if you mistype and try to symlink to a file that does not exist, or does it make the link anyway? (plain ln -s, not forced ln -sf) |
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| 08:06.41 | idnar | garth: no error, it just creates the link happily |
| 08:07.08 | garth | thanks |
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| 08:09.03 | adsds | can someone pls provide me an australian link to download the full sarge cd images |
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| 08:09.17 | Arafangion | adsds, Check out the mirrors? |
| 08:09.34 | adsds | http://www.nl.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 08:09.36 | adsds | those right? |
| 08:10.18 | zignig | adsds: why do you want the whole images ? |
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| 08:10.33 | adsds | so i can pause and resume my download |
| 08:10.45 | adsds | if i do a net install i cant pause and resume |
| 08:10.54 | adsds | i think |
| 08:11.47 | sep | adsds: if you do a netinstall cd you still get the basic from the cd, it's just that you dl what you need when you need it instead of getting a whole cd full of stuff you might not have the need for |
| 08:11.49 | zignig | adsds: how many machines are you installing. |
| 08:11.52 | zignig | ? |
| 08:12.06 | adsds | only on one |
| 08:12.38 | adsds | how many mb would a base(i think its called this) install be with kde |
| 08:13.21 | hexxeh|work | with kde and x? a gig, give or take a few hundred meg |
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| 08:13.55 | adsds | then id rather just download the full cd image |
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| 08:13.59 | adsds | thats just 650 mb |
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| 08:16.48 | Q-FUNK | would anyone happen to know, in which file does Galeon store the passwords it manages? |
| 08:17.36 | hexxeh|work | adsds, you asked how big the install would be, not the download. |
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| 08:18.14 | hexxeh|work | !maint kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 |
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| 08:18.17 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686: Debian kernel team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org> |
| 08:18.25 | hexxeh|work | !stab debian-kernel |
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| 08:19.24 | chealer | hexxeh|work: what's the problem? |
| 08:19.55 | libpcp | thanks jm_ that ip is now blocked |
| 08:20.03 | hexxeh|work | chealer, do a search on pdo for packages containing cx88xx.ko - then try to explain the logic behind which kernel images do or don't include it |
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| 08:21.13 | jayson_I | where i can get freeDomain! |
| 08:21.45 | simonrvn | what? |
| 08:22.00 | streuner | jayson_I: dyndns.org? |
| 08:22.12 | chealer | hexxeh|work: pdo seems unreachable to me |
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| 08:23.40 | hexxeh|work | chealer, even better. essentially, the module exists in all versions of 2.6.8 and 2.6.10, and is in amd64 2.6.9 kernels. it's not in any 2.6.11s (but is in all kernels in the still unofficial debian-amd64) |
| 08:24.23 | hexxeh|work | chealer, so, 2.6.11 being the only kernel to support my disk controller, it's mildly annoying to install it & lose tv card access, seemingly on a whim |
| 08:24.25 | zignig | hexxeh|work: how have you found amd64 ( aside for the missing modules ) ? |
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| 08:24.38 | jayson_I | <streuner>: tnx i will try |
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| 08:25.34 | hexxeh|work | zignig, that's the point - it HAS the modules! it's bloody i386 where they get removed for fun |
| 08:25.44 | Gandalfar | How do I stop /dev/md0 from getting constructed at boot time? |
| 08:26.00 | zignig | hexxeh|work: aargh! |
| 08:26.10 | hexxeh|work | Gandalfar, dpkg-reconfigure mdadm |
| 08:26.48 | hexxeh|work | /lib/modules/2.6.11-9-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88xx.ko exists, /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88xx.ko does not |
| 08:27.09 | notty | how can i find out the memory frequence from the console ? |
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| 08:27.33 | ack3 | i just did a fresh install, i can apt-get update. but when it comes to security.debian.org, it would just time out, i can come to irc, but i just surf the net.. when i do pings to like google.com it shows the IP but i dont get any replies.. i have no problems pinging the other local machines in the network tho... anything that i have missed out? what i have in resolv.conf is what i have in my win machines in dns... |
| 08:27.35 | hexxeh|work | i wouldn't usually mind compiling my own kernels, i can get some other patches in that way, but it seems bootsplash patches won't work on debian kernel source |
| 08:27.44 | Gandalfar | hexxeh|work: the problem I'm getting is that I added another sata drive that bumped all my letters by one up. I just want to make / nice and worry about raid on /home later. I removed all md* and raid* from init.d but it still gets created |
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| 08:28.50 | hexxeh|work | Gandalfar, you compiled your own kernel? |
| 08:29.13 | Gandalfar | hexxeh|work: no default debian one |
| 08:30.34 | chealer | hexxeh|work: sorry, it's hard to say without pdo |
| 08:30.37 | Gandalfar | hexxeh|work: at boot time i'm seeing raid construction |
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| 08:31.04 | Gandalfar | hexxeh|work: would moving md0 to md0.disabled be wise idea? |
| 08:31.21 | Gandalfar | hexxeh|work: since I have a feeling that my whole raidtab config file gets written to it |
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| 08:35.32 | hexxeh|work | Gandalfar, you're using raidtools or mdadm? |
| 08:36.49 | Gandalfar | hexxeh|work: raidtools |
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| 08:39.15 | hexxeh|work | Gandalfar, oh. i have no idea about raidtools |
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| 08:40.12 | Gandalfar | hexxeh|work: np, I'll play with it some more. I think raidstop /dev/md0 would help me |
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| 08:41.15 | Shadur | Okay, Evo is still missing a critical feature. Back to mutt it is. |
| 08:41.36 | sataere | Hey everyone, what's going to happen with GFDL? |
| 08:41.57 | Gandalfar | sataere: it's probably here to stay |
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| 08:43.22 | sataere | Gandalfar, That's a relief. Regardless of legal issues, it would be some work to change it, I think. O.o |
| 08:43.43 | hcy | how do I move a subdir to a place where a subdir by that name already exists? the two subdirs have the same structure (subsubdirs inside them) and I just want to combine them so that the files go to the right places - hope you understand what I mean |
| 08:43.48 | hcy | if I try with mv it says that it can't overwrite the directories and doesn't do it |
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| 08:45.00 | pinks | I need to mount a removable hdd - how do I find out what dev it is? |
| 08:45.04 | Shadur | They don't intend to add that option. WTF? |
| 08:45.06 | hexxeh|work | sataere, just because it's here to stay, doesn't mean it's allowed in debian |
| 08:45.24 | hexxeh|work | Shadur, which option? |
| 08:45.38 | liable | anyone had debfoster break something? |
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| 08:47.02 | sataere | hexxeh|work, Okay, I suppose I should have phrased my question differently. What will Debian do with those programs that use GFDL? |
| 08:47.09 | CaT_MaN | is there specific kernel for dual procesor boxes |
| 08:47.09 | Shadur | hexxeh|work: An option to evolution to always view as text and never as HTML. |
| 08:47.11 | otje | what is an easy, lightweight program that monitors the amount of in/outgoing traffic? |
| 08:47.16 | petemc | iptraf |
| 08:47.19 | petemc | nload, bwm |
| 08:47.21 | hexxeh|work | sataere, rewrite the docs, or move them to non-free |
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| 08:47.59 | petemc | CaT_MaN: yes, smp kernels |
| 08:48.13 | CaT_MaN | petemc: tanks |
| 08:48.42 | rj-away | Shadur: Yeah, I've had problems with that before. If was an email that looked like html, and for some reason evo was rendering as html, and ignoring the content-type header. |
| 08:48.58 | sataere | hexxeh|work, But they will still be included in the apt repositories, even if moved to non-free? |
| 08:49.00 | rj-away | This was a while ago, though... I'm not sure if something has been done. |
| 08:49.17 | Shadur | rj-away: Actually, I'm referring to actual HTML mail. |
| 08:49.18 | hexxeh|work | sataere, in the non-free apt repositories |
| 08:49.42 | otje | petemc: okay, question stated wrong: I would like to have weekly/montly totals, can't find that in iptraf |
| 08:49.55 | CaT_MaN | petemc: i dont see smp kernel on kernel.org |
| 08:50.04 | petemc | otje: ipac-ng |
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| 08:50.17 | Shadur | I don't want to read mail in HTML. Ever. Regardless of circumstances. 8-bit-clean ASCII will do just fine, thank you. Mutt can do that. Heck, even KMail can default to that if you ask it nicely. The evo developers have essentally said "we're not going to add an option for that" even when someone else wrote a working patch for it. |
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| 08:50.33 | petemc | CaT_MaN: debian kernels are prefixed with -smp, kernel.org kenels its an option you would use when compiling |
| 08:50.49 | otje | petemc: tnx |
| 08:51.08 | sataere | hexxeh|work, Wherever they are, they're included enough for me. |
| 08:51.25 | petemc | CaT_MaN: sorry, suffixed, not prefixed :) |
| 08:51.58 | Gandalfar | sataere: but beware, non-free may get drop at any point in time if DD's feel like it |
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| 08:52.23 | Bundeskanzler | hi |
| 08:52.25 | bob2 | Gandalfar: dude, and debian.org might get hijacked by aliens from mars |
| 08:52.39 | bob2 | it's pretty unlikely non-free will go away anytime soon |
| 08:52.47 | bob2 | (tho I am on the side of "get rid of it", personally) |
| 08:52.52 | hexxeh|work | argh! spiders from mars! |
| 08:52.59 | Gandalfar | one wote againstig |
| 08:53.02 | bob2 | they already tried to drop it once |
| 08:53.05 | Gandalfar | only 450 to go ;) |
| 08:53.10 | bob2 | and it didn't even come close |
| 08:53.12 | bob2 | Gandalfar: not a DD yet |
| 08:53.20 | Gandalfar | oh :D |
| 08:53.22 | sataere | lol |
| 08:53.28 | sataere | Hey bob2, what's up? |
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| 08:53.42 | Bundeskanzler | just 2 stupid questions: how do i tell apt to use an ftp server instead of the cd, and how do i disable the dhcp server? |
| 08:53.49 | bob2 | hacking baz before I head out to the pub |
| 08:53.57 | bob2 | Bundeskanzler: apt-setup will do that for you |
| 08:53.58 | hexxeh|work | Bundeskanzler, apt-setup |
| 08:54.09 | sataere | bob2, baz? |
| 08:54.10 | Bundeskanzler | thx |
| 08:54.13 | bob2 | Bundeskanzler: and do you mean "stop your machine running as a dhcp server" or "stop your machine using a dhscp server"? |
| 08:54.19 | bob2 | sataere: bazaar.canonical.com |
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| 08:54.54 | CaT_MaN | petemc: i have dual xeon .. what i have to deffine on option Procesor Family |
| 08:55.04 | mud | how do i run a program at startup ? |
| 08:55.05 | Gandalfar | CaT_MaN: Pentium4 |
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| 08:55.10 | Gandalfar | CaT_MaN: and add SMP support |
| 08:55.14 | bob2 | mud: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 08:56.04 | CaT_MaN | okay.. I will search for SMP support option in my menuconfig |
| 08:56.12 | Bundeskanzler | bob2, i mean stopping the dhcp server tat is running on my machine, i need to connect to another network in order to get internet connectivity |
| 08:56.18 | hexxeh|work | Gandalfar, where did he say p4-based xeon? it might be p3 xeon. or em64t xeon |
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| 08:56.27 | Gandalfar | hexxeh|work: oh, sorry :( |
| 08:56.29 | hexxeh|work | CaT_MaN, why are you compiling your oen kernel? |
| 08:56.34 | bob2 | Bundeskanzler: dpkg -P dhcp3-server |
| 08:56.40 | bob2 | hexxeh|work: it's his/her homework |
| 08:56.46 | raf256 | how can I convert a .wav into .ogg in command line with given quality? |
| 08:56.50 | raf256 | and how for .mp3->.ogg |
| 08:56.55 | bob2 | er, assuming cat_man is cat |
| 08:56.57 | petemc | CaT_MaN: you may beb better off sticking with debian kernels |
| 08:56.59 | bob2 | raf256: don't bother for mp3 to ogg |
| 08:57.00 | hexxeh|work | raf256, oggenc |
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| 08:57.11 | bob2 | raf256: for wav to vorbis, use oggenc |
| 08:57.17 | CaT_MaN | because i dont see 4 procesors |
| 08:57.21 | hexxeh|work | oggenc -Q6 foo.wav bar.ogg |
| 08:57.26 | CaT_MaN | my xeon is on Intel motherbord |
| 08:57.32 | hexxeh|work | CaT_MaN, what does uname -r say? |
| 08:57.38 | Bundeskanzler | bob2, i dont want to remove it completely, just deactivate it temporary |
| 08:57.49 | CaT_MaN | 2.4.29 |
| 08:57.51 | bob2 | Bundeskanzler: remove the symlink from /etc/rc2.d/ using rm or rcconf |
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| 08:58.02 | hexxeh|work | CaT_MaN, if that's what it says, you're not running a debian kernel |
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| 08:59.37 | Bundeskanzler | bob2, i could just get a list of running processes and kill the dhcp server, couldnt i? but how do i get an ip adress from the other dhcp server that is running in the network |
| 09:00.08 | bob2 | Bundeskanzler: er, if you want |
| 09:00.15 | bob2 | Bundeskanzler: sudo dhclient ethN |
| 09:00.24 | hexxeh|work | CaT_MaN, know what? i think it's fairly obvious that your xeons are intel. generally xeons are intel. i don't remember cyrix making them. |
| 09:00.43 | hexxeh|work | CaT_MaN, work out what distribution you're running and what hardware you have |
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| 09:01.07 | jbobespona | is there a way to use bittorrent on the console? i just apt-get install bittorrent but now I have no idea how to start it |
| 09:01.13 | CaT_MaN | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 1.70GHz |
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| 09:01.28 | petemc | jbobespona: /usr/share/doc/packagename - you're looking for btdownloadcurses |
| 09:01.33 | bob2 | jbobespona: dpkg -L bittorrent|grep bin |
| 09:01.36 | bob2 | jbobespona: is handy |
| 09:01.38 | hexxeh|work | Gandalfar, seems you guessed right |
| 09:01.45 | bob2 | jbobespona: you want btdownloadcurses or btlaunchmanycurses |
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| 09:02.33 | hexxeh|work | CaT_MaN, fine, p4 xeon. that still doesn't answer why you're compiling your own kernel, when debian provides multi-processor-aware kernels |
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| 09:03.58 | CaT_MaN | hexxeh|work, because I dont know what are do debian kernels and I download one kernel from kernel.org and compile |
| 09:04.03 | CaT_MaN | and use |
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| 09:05.04 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 09:05.04 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 09:05.16 | tarzeau | bob2: want to try a game package? |
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| 09:05.33 | hexxeh|work | robotfindskitten? |
| 09:05.34 | Rawplayer | what a bullshit about that |
| 09:05.40 | petemc | Guerin: where'd you get those stats :) |
| 09:05.51 | Guerin | petemc: ask hexxeh :) |
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| 09:06.12 | bob2 | tarzeau: sure |
| 09:06.20 | bob2 | tarzeau: are you a DD yet? |
| 09:06.23 | tarzeau | bob2: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/supertransball2/ |
| 09:06.37 | tarzeau | bob2: nah, i'm too lazy, you could easily be one before i |
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| 09:06.57 | bob2 | tarzeau: if I become a DD before you, I'm going to go to switzerland to mock you |
| 09:07.03 | tarzeau | bob2: i'm like doing twice the amount of packages now (the others for at work) |
| 09:07.30 | bob2 | hah, true |
| 09:07.34 | tarzeau | bob2: if you're ever in switzerland, tell me |
| 09:07.53 | bob2 | tarzeau: will do |
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| 09:17.10 | snadge | if my rootfs is on reiser, is there a boot disk i can use to fsck it? :) |
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| 09:17.46 | Guerin | snadge: no |
| 09:17.52 | snadge | if i do an ls in /etc/modutils it segfaults |
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| 09:17.58 | Guerin | snadge: ricerfs has no meaninful fsck |
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| 09:18.19 | zinx | Guerin: but it does a wonderful job of messing itself up |
| 09:18.23 | snadge | i take it ls isnt supposed to segfault in /etc/modutils |
| 09:18.37 | snadge | and it kills the shell if i go ./ then press tab in /etc/modutils |
| 09:18.38 | zinx | snadge: generally, it isn't |
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| 09:18.50 | zinx | snadge: check dmesg |
| 09:18.58 | snadge | so my guess is theres something wrong with that directory |
| 09:18.58 | Guerin | snadge: now you get to start again with a real filesystem |
| 09:18.59 | zinx | snadge: you probably got some excellent OOPSes |
| 09:19.44 | snadge | yes, some excellent oopses in vfs |
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| 09:20.51 | snadge | i think it might be because it loaded both oss and alsa driver at the same time |
| 09:20.57 | snadge | and they both think that they're working |
| 09:21.05 | Guerin | no |
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| 09:21.13 | snadge | im playing around with sound at the moment |
| 09:21.34 | Guerin | wtf do you think this has to do with your filesystem, then? |
| 09:21.50 | snadge | good question.. there is a util called reiserfsck though |
| 09:21.53 | snadge | which i have installed |
| 09:21.58 | snadge | but it wont let me run it on a mounted fs |
| 09:22.25 | Guerin | and it doesn't do much worth mentioning anyway |
| 09:22.52 | rj-away | snadge: Will it run if it is mounted ro? |
| 09:23.06 | snadge | well i have to shut down everything to mount ro |
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| 09:23.37 | snadge | holy shit.. everything is segfaulting now, i think i just lost my hard drive |
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| 09:24.25 | pingouin | glory back up |
| 09:24.37 | snadge | hah.. backup.. good one |
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| 09:31.14 | SiliconViper | And now, for the silly question of the day! |
| 09:31.29 | pingouin | SiliconViper: i have one more silly ;) |
| 09:31.30 | Guerin | SiliconViper: sory, you'll have to wait until tomorrow |
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| 09:31.33 | Guerin | no |
| 09:31.36 | elarifr | seems not working http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=raidtools2&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 09:31.37 | SiliconViper | Guerin, oh... |
| 09:31.37 | Guerin | make that 2009 |
| 09:31.38 | SiliconViper | :( |
| 09:31.45 | _joey | I upgrade the packages on sarge and get a message that some packages are kept back, what does this mean? |
| 09:32.03 | Ponder_Stibbons | right: packages.debian.org is not working |
| 09:32.22 | quitte | i want to download all architecture independant packages from the pool. can someone tell me how to do that with wget? or any other way? |
| 09:32.25 | Guerin | _joey: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 09:32.51 | Ponder_Stibbons | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:33.00 | Ponder_Stibbons | :-) |
| 09:33.01 | Guerin | quitte: don't use wget, use something like lftp which can easily match patterns |
| 09:33.18 | Guerin | quitte: the patter you want to match is _all |
| 09:33.21 | hxizan | how do I disconnect an user on ssh to my box? |
| 09:33.29 | Guerin | hxizan: slay? |
| 09:33.36 | Guerin | hxizan: or kill the pid? |
| 09:33.52 | quitte | Guerin: mind to tell me the whole command? |
| 09:33.53 | jm_ | hxizan: or cutter |
| 09:33.59 | SiliconViper | I want to take a RHEL box, and install Debian on it. I don't have physical access to it, or I'd just install from CD. So... what I'm thinking, is this. Convert swap to ext3, install debian to swap, install kernels on the existing partition mounted at /boot, write GRUB to MBR, reboot, then either copy it over, or reinstall it from there. |
| 09:34.00 | hxizan | I've try kill but it doesnt works |
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| 09:34.28 | Guerin | quitte: don't know it off the top of my head. Man lftp is pretty good though |
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| 09:34.53 | jm_ | quite;Architecture: all |
| 09:35.03 | Guerin | !chroot install |
| 09:35.03 | dpkg | i heard chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 09:35.08 | Guerin | SiliconViper: ^^ |
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| 09:35.30 | quitte | Guerin: argh 1500 lines |
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| 09:36.03 | gahan | (11:35:43> <dpkg> somebody said tvout was getting X on your tvout for nvidia ask nvidia tvout |
| 09:36.10 | gahan | do you get anything asking nvidia tvout? |
| 09:36.11 | cyklus | what audio drivers do i use in gnome? esd, sdl, oss?? im confused |
| 09:36.30 | quitte | gahan nvtv does the trick |
| 09:36.30 | SiliconViper | Guerin, thanks. ^_~ This should be fun! |
| 09:36.55 | SiliconViper | I will report my progress, if successful. |
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| 09:37.02 | Guerin | cyklus: of those, only oss is audio drivers |
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| 09:37.15 | Bundeskanzler | where do .deb packets have to be if i want to use them? so if i have a update.dep package, where should i put it? |
| 09:37.51 | cyklus | Guerin: what are the rest? ...in programs like xmms, vlc, mplayer... which one do I use? |
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| 09:38.11 | Guerin | cyklus: i recommend you use alsa (which is a set of sound drivers), and refrain from using esd (which is a sound daemon, and causes more trouble than it's worth |
| 09:38.12 | cyklus | Guerin: why cant they just have one called 'sound' use me |
| 09:38.13 | cyklus | hehe |
| 09:38.28 | Guerin | cyklus: in gnome, if sound is working otherwise, use esd |
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| 09:38.52 | Guerin | if you run into trouble, get rid of esd and just use oss outputs, since alsa had excellent oss emulation |
| 09:38.57 | cyklus | Guerin: ok so go with esd. Does gnome use this sound daemon by default? |
| 09:39.03 | Guerin | yes |
| 09:39.34 | cahoot | cyklus: not so lucky as to have a soundblaster? |
| 09:39.36 | cyklus | Guerin: good to know, thanks alot... any Idea where I can get a good rundown of how sound is handled on linux? |
| 09:39.49 | Bundeskanzler | where do .deb packets have to be if i want to use them? so if i have a update.dep package, where should i put it? |
| 09:39.50 | cyklus | cahoot: IBM T40 Laptop... |
| 09:39.59 | cyklus | cahoot: dont have a choice :P |
| 09:40.29 | cyklus | Bundeskanzler: use dpkg tools to install it... like dpkg -i <package> |
| 09:40.32 | Guerin | cyklus: the alsa-project.org wiki is a good place to start |
| 09:40.44 | cyklus | Guerin: thanks I appriciate it |
| 09:41.28 | cyberyo | io |
| 09:41.29 | Guerin | cyklus: you're welcome |
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| 09:42.52 | lnxgrl | Why is a linux system as good as dead when you do not reboot it after it "optimized directories" with e2fsck (ext3) |
| 09:43.08 | lnxgrl | the filesystem is ruined after that |
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| 09:43.18 | lnxgrl | inittab done, and lots of other files |
| 09:43.26 | Guerin | um |
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| 09:43.33 | lnxgrl | done = gone |
| 09:43.35 | Guerin | why are you fscking a writable filesystem? |
| 09:43.39 | lnxgrl | no |
| 09:43.42 | lnxgrl | it was readonly mounted |
| 09:43.50 | Guerin | then remounted rw? |
| 09:43.58 | lnxgrl | after that readwrite for tiny changes (only 2 links created) |
| 09:44.00 | lnxgrl | and then readonly again |
| 09:44.07 | lnxgrl | puff -> dead |
| 09:44.09 | lnxgrl | reproduceable |
| 09:44.12 | Guerin | hrm, shouldn't be a problem |
| 09:44.22 | lnxgrl | i have 50 dead computers |
| 09:44.25 | lnxgrl | because of that |
| 09:44.26 | Guerin | yikes |
| 09:44.40 | Phated | Sucks. |
| 09:44.46 | cahoot | what is optimize in this context? |
| 09:44.53 | EvanCarroll | When you download the kernel tree, you get the src and 'kernel-patches', how do you apply the kernel-patches? or are they already applied?, i have already unarchived both the source and the kernel-patches, inside the kernel patches folder there is an apply script it requires it to be in the top level kernel source dir, so i put it there and it bitches nothing to do, so i moved all of its buddies in the folder kernel-patches/debia |
| 09:44.54 | caphuso | lnxgrl: you optimized a filesystem that was in use? |
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| 09:45.13 | EvanCarroll | ls |
| 09:45.15 | lnxgrl | i did not reboot after optimizing directories (that happens when the system bots up) from there on it will hang, it can't find any files like /bin/touch /bin/rm /etc/inittab ... |
| 09:45.24 | lnxgrl | then after reboot most is "repaired" but inittab as eaxample is gone |
| 09:45.31 | lnxgrl | no it was readonly mounted caphuso |
| 09:45.40 | lnxgrl | e2fsck said "optimized directories" |
| 09:45.43 | caphuso | lnxgrl: irrelevant |
| 09:45.48 | lnxgrl | why ? |
| 09:45.49 | caphuso | lnxgrl: was it in use or not? |
| 09:46.06 | lnxgrl | what do you mean with in use ? |
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| 09:46.15 | lnxgrl | it happened on startup very very early |
| 09:46.23 | mike_k | hi. I've downloaded the first 5 full ISOs from the debian-installer page, RC3. when I add them using apt-cd, the sources.list line says they're 'unstable'. I thought they should say 'testing'? |
| 09:46.30 | lnxgrl | no daemons running |
| 09:46.46 | mike_k | am I going to end up with unstable's file versions? |
| 09:46.55 | Guerin | mike_k: since sarge hasn't been released, it's not sarge |
| 09:46.56 | EvanCarroll | you downloaded sid |
| 09:47.03 | lnxgrl | it's mounted ro, e2fsck is started with -p, it's mounted rw, -> filesystem is dead |
| 09:47.14 | Guerin | mike_k: you've got a snapshot release, at best |
| 09:47.22 | lnxgrl | reboot -> filesystem still dead, inittab lost |
| 09:47.34 | mike_k | Guerin: but a snapshot of unstable, rather than a snapshot of testing? |
| 09:48.00 | Guerin | mike_k: i don't know. WHat's the name of one of the isos you downloaded? |
| 09:48.53 | lnxgrl | What other way is there to check the root filesystem .., only thing i did wrong is that i forgot to reboot when e2fsck asks for reboot |
| 09:49.04 | lnxgrl | but nowhere is written that this causes the filesystem to get completely broken |
| 09:49.26 | mike_k | Guerin: mounts as 'Debian testing i386 Bin1' |
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| 09:49.36 | w00w00 | hi |
| 09:49.53 | mike_k | Guerin: you would have thought a debian installer ISO would have logically been of testing |
| 09:50.05 | w00w00 | anybody knows how to get rid off error 21 while running cedega with kernel 2.6.11 ? |
| 09:50.09 | caphuso | lnxgrl: ah, so it told you to reboot and you didn't? |
| 09:50.09 | Guerin | mike_k: the installer allows you to choose. |
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| 09:50.25 | caphuso | lnxgrl: and why did you tell it to optimize the directory structure in the first place? |
| 09:50.49 | hexxeh|work | w00w00, use a debian kernel. |
| 09:50.53 | djw | if you have a kernel, you can't add modules to it at a later date from the kernel source tree can you? |
| 09:51.00 | Guerin | djw: yes |
| 09:51.06 | Guerin | you can |
| 09:51.22 | Guerin | you need to build them against identical headers |
| 09:51.32 | djw | ah, that's the catch then ;) |
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| 09:52.47 | fairway | hi is there a way to let thunderbird check all mailboxes when I started it |
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| 09:53.00 | mike_k | Guerin: yet in fstab the CD is 'Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20050323)]/ unstable contrib main' |
| 09:53.03 | Guerin | fairway: #thunderbird irc.mozilla.org |
| 09:53.05 | hexxeh|work | fairway, yes. |
| 09:53.22 | fairway | ah |
| 09:53.22 | fairway | ok |
| 09:53.22 | Guerin | mike_k: ask debian-user mailing list; I don't know what's up there |
| 09:53.45 | lnxgrl | sorry |
| 09:53.48 | lnxgrl | boss came in :) |
| 09:53.58 | mike_k | Guerin: thanks, its useful to get confirmation its a problem and not my misunderstanding |
| 09:53.59 | lnxgrl | caphuso : i did not tell it |
| 09:54.06 | lnxgrl | i just have a fsck -p on root running |
| 09:54.09 | caphuso | lnxgrl: yes, you did |
| 09:54.14 | lnxgrl | optimizing is normal part of e2fsck |
| 09:54.19 | Guerin | mike_k: there are good reasons why not to download snapshots of unreleased distros, and you've found one |
| 09:54.26 | caphuso | it doesn't do that by default, you need the -D switch |
| 09:55.02 | mike_k | Guerin: :) |
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| 10:00.02 | MasterJim | hi |
| 10:00.37 | MasterJim | how can I change the defaults settings of logrotate in order to avoid it replacing weekly and rotate 4 after a reconfigure |
| 10:00.50 | MasterJim | I want weeekly but rotate 52 |
| 10:00.59 | hexxeh|work | /etc/logrotate.conf? |
| 10:01.17 | MasterJim | if I do a dpkg-reconfigure logrotate, the rotate line is set to 4 instead of 52 |
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| 10:01.40 | MasterJim | hexxeh|work: nope, since I do a reconfigure, my settings are overwritten |
| 10:02.28 | lnxgrl | caphuso i did not use -D |
| 10:02.32 | lnxgrl | i used -p |
| 10:02.37 | lnxgrl | but a check was forced |
| 10:02.44 | lnxgrl | all 180 days |
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| 10:03.09 | caphuso | lnxgrl: are you using the htree feature? |
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| 10:07.14 | lnxgrl | hmm |
| 10:07.15 | lnxgrl | no |
| 10:07.18 | lnxgrl | never heard about htree |
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| 10:07.50 | caphuso | lnxgrl: does "dir_index" ring a bell? |
| 10:08.31 | lnxgrl | hmm, i fear i know too little about ext3 :/ |
| 10:08.41 | lnxgrl | what is dir_index |
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| 10:09.19 | lnxgrl | 2.4 kernel btw |
| 10:09.20 | lnxgrl | most 2.4.20 |
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| 10:09.54 | caphuso | damn, need to go |
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| 10:12.13 | jm_ | hmm this is weird, I am messing with tex and I noticed that it doesn't let me use all the installed fonts |
| 10:13.06 | lnxgrl | ;/ |
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| 10:13.19 | jm_ | that's because it doesn't genrate .tfm files for all installed fonts |
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| 10:16.10 | magnus | If one installs debian from scratch from one of the sarge installation cd:s with the new installation program, one gets a nice grub setup. Is there any way to install this grub (menu files, etc) on a old debian installation? |
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| 10:16.28 | magnus | (for example, does there exist some nice package which does what the installation program does?) |
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| 10:17.02 | simonrvn | @tell sound -about root |
| 10:17.07 | hexxeh|work | magnus, not the grub bit, no. you should be able to install grub, and edit /etc/kernel-img.conf to use grub instead of lilo |
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| 10:17.51 | foobar | where is the package database stored that is pulled in from an apt-get update? |
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| 10:19.08 | drp | is there a jedit package for debian |
| 10:19.23 | mythsmith | hi! I'm having problems with LUFS. I tryed to mount an SSH filesystem. The mounting is ok, but everytime i try to do something inside the mounted fs (eg, listing) i get a popup window (OpenSSH) asking for a password. So the filesystem is unusable! Any idea? |
| 10:19.27 | drp | nm |
| 10:19.32 | drp | !jedit |
| 10:19.33 | dpkg | i guess jedit is an extensible programmers editor, refer to http://jedit.sourceforge.net.deb package available on their website, nice xml editing facilities |
| 10:19.57 | simonrvn | mythsmith: it isn't unusable |
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| 10:22.27 | hja123 | hi, anyone knows about familiar with monitoring ppp connection using gkrellm? |
| 10:22.59 | snail | mythsmith: sounds like you need to use an auth method other than password? |
| 10:23.01 | simonrvn | you just enable it. it's not hard... |
| 10:23.08 | hja123 | hi, anyone familiar with monitoring ppp connection using gkrellm? |
| 10:23.10 | mythsmith | simonrvn: right. it is completely unusable. Some days ago I did a dramatic error: i've added to Amarok all my home folder, forgetting there was a sshfs mounted here... well, I had to restart the computer. All the screen was filled with these OpenSSH password windows... |
| 10:23.32 | mythsmith | snail: like? |
| 10:23.39 | sep | mythsmith: now i have no idea what LUFS is, but if you dont want to enter your password for openssh all the time, then you probably need the ssh agent, or to use passwordless login with keys |
| 10:23.43 | simonrvn | cry me a river. set up an ssh key |
| 10:24.11 | snail | mythsmith: like an ssh key, they explain keys in the docs, at some length |
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| 10:25.49 | hja123 | how to config ppp in gkrellm to display cumulated xmit and cumulated rcv bytes in numbers? |
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| 10:26.32 | mythsmith | sep, snail: but the address of the resource change frequently... does it means i must create, delete, recreate keys every time the resource change address? |
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| 10:26.57 | xophEr | just compiled a new kernel, but this is what I get when trying to run it: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) , whats wrong? |
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| 10:27.47 | JeffGreen | xophEr: does your kernel contain a driver for the file system? |
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| 10:28.08 | xophEr | JeffGreen, yes |
| 10:28.17 | lnxgrl | how do i find the inode of a file? |
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| 10:28.41 | JeffGreen | xophEr: was just a thought |
| 10:28.42 | jm_ | ls |
| 10:28.55 | jm_ | lnxgrl: that was for you |
| 10:28.57 | lnxgrl | ls ?? |
| 10:29.00 | hexxeh|work | !debian kernel images |
| 10:29.12 | hexxeh|work | hm :/ |
| 10:29.14 | Guerin | hexxeh|work: just the one image |
| 10:29.20 | JeffGreen | ls -i lists the inode |
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| 10:29.54 | hja123 | xophEr: you forgot to execute the command 'lilo' before reboot? |
| 10:29.54 | lnxgrl | thanks a lot |
| 10:30.09 | xophEr | hja123, using grub |
| 10:30.27 | zeeble | well, update the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 10:30.35 | hja123 | xophEr: you may have to reboot from a floppy. |
| 10:30.35 | xophEr | done that |
| 10:31.05 | xophEr | I still have the old kernel left so its not a problem booting, just cant get the new one working.. |
| 10:31.29 | zeeble | blah. i need to go back to my older kernel too. nfs is'nt working decent in this one :/ |
| 10:31.32 | lnxgrl | Ok scenario: e2fsck optimizes directories because of a forced check. it optimizes the /etc/ directory (just verified the inode). the system is NOT rebooted and continues to bootup. Result -> inittab is lost |
| 10:31.36 | lnxgrl | why? |
| 10:32.53 | lnxgrl | please: -) |
| 10:33.01 | lnxgrl | anyone with a lot of clue about ext3 |
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| 10:33.20 | hexxeh|work | Guerin, i find myself needing to compile my own upstream 2.6.11 kernel though. does that make me a bad man? |
| 10:33.59 | takatumi | upstream .11 works fine here. |
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| 10:34.44 | Guerin | hexxeh|work: probably not as bad as the kernel devs |
| 10:35.25 | hexxeh|work | Guerin, why is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296907 still there? i thought RC bugs were meant to get fixed |
| 10:35.38 | pinks | when I manually mount a removable HDD in my laptop, I can't read it except as root. How do I get to read it as another user? |
| 10:36.01 | Guerin | pinks: set group permissions on the device? |
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| 10:37.02 | Guerin | hexxeh|work: yeah, that's way stupid |
| 10:37.13 | Guerin | and trivial to fix |
| 10:37.41 | hja123 | anyone knows how to config ppp in gkrellm to display cumulated xmit and cumulated rcv bytes in numbers? |
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| 10:38.50 | hexxeh|work | Guerin, i KNOW! hell, i'd fix it myself, but sice i'm not a debian developer and haven't undergone any hazing rituals, or any other shizzle, what's the point? it doesn't AFFECT me that it's as it is, but it does violate the DFSG hard & fast, repeatedly, over a table |
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| 10:40.34 | takatumi | hexxeh|work: maybe shoot it to debian-legal, if you're obsessed. |
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| 10:42.07 | hexxeh|work | takatumi, i may do so if it's still unresolved when sarge-security goes live |
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| 10:43.42 | takatumi | its a shame that we need multiple sources and concoctions to get a stable graphic card going. |
| 10:43.57 | takatumi | in debian. (ati or nvidia) |
| 10:44.25 | sep | takatumi: they work out of the box, non accellerated. |
| 10:44.36 | takatumi | sep: yes they do. |
| 10:44.54 | hexxeh|work | some do. not recent ones. |
| 10:44.59 | sep | well that's enoughf for me, ther is little speed gain in /bin/bash from a nvidia FX anyway :) |
| 10:45.32 | hexxeh|work | r200-based cards get some 3d acceleration out of the box, which is nice |
| 10:46.12 | sep | takatumi: i guess one einther have to work on improving the free drivers, or influence nvidia/ati to open up their driver lisence. i think the latter is unlikely |
| 10:46.37 | hexxeh|work | unlikely is an understatement |
| 10:47.13 | takatumi | neither the fglrx ati drivers, nor xfree provides any accelation for my card (0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS200/RS200M AGP Bridge [IGP 340M] (rev 02)) |
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| 10:48.18 | hja123 | bye |
| 10:48.33 | takatumi | however, all the games I've tried works with the xorg drivers, native DRI, so I'm relaxed now. |
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| 10:49.00 | gogo_ | how to configura bind on dynamic IP i have got No-ip on my debian box |
| 10:50.12 | hexxeh|work | isn't calling IGP a "card" a bit of an overstatement? |
| 10:50.29 | takatumi | hexxeh|work: ok, POS. |
| 10:50.44 | hexxeh|work | i was more thinking "chip". it's pretty much the same as every r200 ever made |
| 10:51.40 | gogo_ | who know good this topic no-ip and bind |
| 10:51.41 | pinks | What's the best DVD player for Sarge? |
| 10:52.52 | hexxeh|work | ogle |
| 10:52.56 | Putiikki | what happens when sarge gets ready? |
| 10:53.03 | takatumi | hexxeh|work: but the IGP320/340 sucked more than the other IGP series, these were the only two unsupported ones, until xorg, without major fiddling around. |
| 10:53.08 | hexxeh|work | he does some drills, then charges into battle |
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| 10:53.41 | hexxeh|work | takatumi, i'll believe it. personally an igp would never do for me, so it's not fussed me |
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| 10:54.27 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 10:54.37 | amorphix | i think i just fried my ram chips :-/ |
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| 10:55.21 | takatumi | amorphix: memtest86 |
| 10:55.29 | SiliconViper | :o |
| 10:55.33 | hexxeh|work | memtest86+ |
| 10:55.35 | amorphix | takatumi: hi there |
| 10:55.40 | amorphix | takatumi: him in Windows |
| 10:55.45 | amorphix | *im |
| 10:55.50 | amorphix | SilconViper ;) |
| 10:56.00 | feng | Can anyone help me ? |
| 10:56.10 | amorphix | i put the ram stick in too quick and put it back to front |
| 10:56.16 | feng | I cannot mount NTFS partition during install |
| 10:56.28 | amorphix | system wouldnt start up and then i smelt silicon |
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| 10:56.36 | feng | I want to use NTLDR to boot system,not lilo |
| 10:56.47 | amorphix | however, the ram seems to have been detected and the system is quicker since fitting the ram |
| 10:56.59 | snail | is there a package or method for reconstructing a package from an install? |
| 10:57.10 | amorphix | reconfiguring? |
| 10:57.16 | jm_ | snail: dpkg-repack |
| 10:57.18 | amorphix | dpkg-config |
| 10:57.24 | simonrvn | that's magic smoke. computers and other electronic eq. don't run on electricity, but magic smoke. if you do something to let it out, it stops working |
| 10:57.26 | amorphix | or something |
| 10:57.28 | feng | so i did 'mkdir /mnt/c' then 'mount /dev/hda7 /mnt/c',but it says 'invalid argument |
| 10:57.34 | takatumi | jm_: was scratching my head trying to remember that one. |
| 10:57.35 | hexxeh|work | !blue smoke |
| 10:57.44 | simonrvn | !magic smoke |
| 10:57.44 | dpkg | Did you know computers run on smoke? You can tell because if the smoke escapes, they stop working. |
| 10:57.51 | simonrvn | see? |
| 10:57.55 | jm_ | hehe |
| 10:57.59 | amorphix | i think i may be lucky with the ram chip |
| 10:58.05 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 10:58.07 | amorphix | unless its partially damaged |
| 10:58.26 | amorphix | cost me £20 too so i hope its not damaged |
| 10:58.26 | feng | why it doesn't allow me to mount NTFS partition ? |
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| 10:58.40 | njan | amorphix, if it works, it works :p |
| 10:58.49 | hexxeh|work | feng, which version of debian? |
| 10:59.01 | feng | 3.0 r0,install from CDROM |
| 10:59.01 | amorphix | is there no inbetween then with RAM? u cant have partially fried ram? |
| 10:59.09 | snail | jm_: it sure seems to be what i need. thanks |
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| 10:59.22 | xophEr | feng, http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html |
| 10:59.40 | hexxeh|work | feng, maybe use a 2.4 kernel (bf24 at boot prompt), but the installation kernels miss most drivers out to save space |
| 11:00.13 | simonrvn | fuck, 20 eur (if that's what you typed, i just saw a square) is cheap for RAM |
| 11:00.29 | amorphix | simonrvn: 20 POUNDS! thats about 35 euro |
| 11:00.29 | feng | hmm |
| 11:00.40 | simonrvn | oh, pounds |
| 11:00.45 | Coke | Is there a common binary to set file date information? adate, mdate and cdate. |
| 11:00.54 | amorphix | simonrvn: that was expensive, its 256 sdram 133 |
| 11:00.58 | feng | So ,i cannot let NTLDR to boot the system ? |
| 11:00.58 | pinks | feng - better to do tehinstall and mount the NTFS after |
| 11:01.11 | feng | tehinstall ? |
| 11:01.26 | simonrvn | 'the install' |
| 11:01.38 | Coke | I don't remember any NTFS support in Woody |
| 11:01.41 | amorphix | simonrvn: i got it from ebay, saw some go after for £10 for same size :-/ |
| 11:01.43 | Coke | the woody installer, anyway |
| 11:01.47 | feng | but |
| 11:01.52 | simonrvn | amorphix: :/ |
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| 11:02.09 | Coke | feng: NTFS support is considered very unstable, I doubt they would have it in a stock install kernel. |
| 11:02.11 | feng | even after that,will i be able to write files to NTFS from Linux ? |
| 11:02.20 | Coke | feng: that's just stupid |
| 11:02.22 | amorphix | some idiots have bid £6,000 for a mac mini |
| 11:02.30 | pinks | feng - no and don;t try :-) |
| 11:02.32 | Coke | feng: there are better filesystems than NTFS |
| 11:02.41 | amorphix | wtf, u can import one from US for under £400 |
| 11:02.41 | PimmelFish | after I installed the nvidia driver on sarge and fondled all configs my screen is black |
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| 11:02.49 | simonrvn | well, i'm getting closer with my script, i'm actually getting real output (...). not the kind i *want*, but at least it outputs something other than 'error 1' |
| 11:02.49 | pinks | writing to NTFS is wobbly - to say the least |
| 11:03.01 | feng | i mean,i need to write a shortcut eg 'debian.lnk' in NTFS C: where is the Windows root partition,then from linux do 'dd if=/dev/hda7 of....' stuff like that |
| 11:03.21 | feng | bs=512 count=1 |
| 11:03.26 | Coke | feng: what the heck are you talking about? |
| 11:03.35 | feng | so NTLDR will take it over,but not lilo. |
| 11:03.37 | Coke | feng: install debian on another partition, not the ntfs one |
| 11:03.41 | pinks | feng - if you are in linux, you can read the ntfs |
| 11:03.43 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 11:04.02 | pinks | Don;t even think of installing debian on the NTFS |
| 11:04.04 | feng | Coke, sorry to confuse you |
| 11:04.07 | Coke | feng: besides, you're not making any sense. what boot loader you are using has nothing to do with reading and writing ntfs |
| 11:04.28 | Coke | feng: just install debian and ignore the ntfs partition |
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| 11:04.40 | feng | I now only have windows XP pro all partition are NTFS |
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| 11:04.47 | amorphix | what is a ntfs? network filesystem? |
| 11:04.51 | Capkirk | howto pass flags as -j2 to make when using make-kpkg compiling kernel the debian way? |
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| 11:05.07 | feng | I did a debian install from CDROM no problem,but i want to use NTLDR to boot the system,but not lilo |
| 11:05.15 | William | hahaha |
| 11:05.16 | William | lol |
| 11:05.23 | caphuso | Capkirk: $CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 11:05.26 | Coke | feng: forget it then. Even GNU/Linux requires SOME space on your HD, although not as much as Windows XP. |
| 11:05.29 | feng | so right before the install is compelte asks me to reboot,i ctrl+alt+f2 to bring on a shell |
| 11:05.34 | chealer | !tell amorphix about ntfs |
| 11:05.40 | feng | There i tried what i talkeda above |
| 11:05.43 | Coke | amorphix: rather lack of Windows knowledge. Kudos to you. |
| 11:05.47 | Capkirk | caphuso: thanks is it allso possible to edit Makefile and put the option there? |
| 11:05.54 | amorphix | ohhhh! |
| 11:06.03 | chealer | amorphix: nah, this is good ignorance :) |
| 11:06.06 | amorphix | :) |
| 11:06.08 | caphuso | Capkirk: no idea |
| 11:06.14 | simonrvn | @amorphix++ |
| 11:06.24 | Coke | feng: What do you want to do? |
| 11:06.38 | feng | I want to use NTLDR to boot the system |
| 11:06.38 | Coke | feng: do you want to install Debian? |
| 11:06.48 | simonrvn | no you don't |
| 11:06.48 | feng | Yes |
| 11:06.51 | Coke | feng: so use your Windows XP utilities to install the NT boot loader then. |
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| 11:07.07 | Coke | feng: or even better; don't install the Debian boot loader. |
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| 11:07.37 | Coke | feng: boot loaders have NOTHING to do with the filesystems you are using. |
| 11:07.37 | feng | i tried installing lilo in the first root partition,not in MBR |
| 11:07.37 | pinks | feng - you're going to end up in a mess trying to do that |
| 11:07.41 | simonrvn | "but how do i boot linux then?" |
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| 11:07.46 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 11:08.33 | feng | windows drive C: ,NTFS ,root partition ,/dev/hda1 |
| 11:08.35 | pinks | feng - you simply have to defrag the NTFS, re-partition it and make a partition for deb and install deb there |
| 11:08.43 | feng | linux root /dev/hda7 |
| 11:08.51 | Coke | feng: why the fuck are you listing partitions? |
| 11:09.13 | Coke | feng: use your windows utilities to install the NT boot loader. |
| 11:09.15 | feng | mkdir /mnt/c && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/c --> Invalid argument |
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| 11:09.37 | borgista | I love #debain <3 . Such love in this room. |
| 11:09.39 | feng | Coke, why ? |
| 11:09.47 | Coke | feng: because you said you wanted the NT boot loader |
| 11:09.55 | feng | gee |
| 11:10.01 | Coke | feng: the things you just listed has to do with PARTITIONS and MOUNT POINTS, not boot loaders. |
| 11:10.01 | feng | you totally misunderstood |
| 11:10.08 | Coke | no, you missaid |
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| 11:10.24 | Coke | I specifically asked you "what do you want to do" and you said "use the NTLDR" |
| 11:10.30 | slept | feng : grub should work fine |
| 11:10.46 | feng | Coke, 'I would like to use NTLDR to boot the system after linux install is done' |
| 11:10.46 | Coke | Does anybody know what feng wants to do? |
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| 11:11.12 | Coke | feng: don't install the Debian bootloader when installing = done |
| 11:11.19 | Burgundavia | feng: NTLDR only loads windows-based OSes |
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| 11:11.27 | petemc | feng: so install lilo/grub on your linux partition, dd the first 512 bytes, put it somewhere on your windows partition and edit boot.ini |
| 11:11.32 | Coke | Burgundavia: not really. |
| 11:11.34 | petemc | Burgundavia: no it doesnt |
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| 11:11.54 | bugged | hello ppl |
| 11:12.02 | Coke | Burgundavia: Windows 2000 version NTLDR could be tweaked to jump to any partitions root sector. |
| 11:12.05 | feng | Coke, so i specify lilo to be installed in the first root partition aka the /dev/hda7 ,not in MBR,but how will it to boot in linux,so i have to create a shorcut in my windows root partition,and edit boot.ini,done, and copy stuff with argument bs=512 count=1 from linux root partition to windows C:,see ? |
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| 11:12.33 | Burgundavia | Coke: with boot.ini |
| 11:12.41 | petemc | feng: if you already know what to do, why are you here? |
| 11:12.42 | elirips | is there really no debian-package available for eclipse?? |
| 11:12.44 | Burgundavia | Coke: though why anyone would want to do that, I don't know |
| 11:12.53 | feng | Burgundavia, boot.ini will read info from 'debian.lnk' and boot to linux |
| 11:13.05 | Burgundavia | never realized that |
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| 11:13.09 | Burgundavia | MCP's can learn |
| 11:13.18 | Coke | feng: use whatever 'dd' is in Windows. |
| 11:13.20 | feng | Burgundavia, that is a basic |
| 11:13.30 | Coke | feng: you can't write to NTFS from the Woody installation kernel, period. |
| 11:13.53 | feng | hmm think it will not work :( |
| 11:13.56 | William | xcopy32 |
| 11:13.56 | Burgundavia | meh, figured grub was better and never looked into that |
| 11:13.57 | William | is dd |
| 11:13.59 | Coke | feng: and if you try to use the Linux NTFS write support you will have to use a custom kernel and it will eventually break your NTFS. |
| 11:14.03 | William | and it sucks |
| 11:14.12 | feng | hmm |
| 11:14.12 | bugged | where can i find information to build a good server with file server mail server ect... |
| 11:14.13 | petemc | William: you can use dd from sygwin |
| 11:14.18 | petemc | cygwin |
| 11:14.26 | pinks | just repartition and install with grub - then add windows to grub |
| 11:14.29 | William | yes i know...but sounds too compecated for some.... |
| 11:14.34 | petemc | William: and xcopy isnt dd |
| 11:14.35 | William | oops ....sp |
| 11:14.41 | William | i know |
| 11:14.43 | Coke | feng: actualy, I think I speak for the entire channel when I say 1) Don't use NTFS from Linux and 2) Don't use NTLDR |
| 11:14.44 | sep | feng: why can't you use grub as your boot loader, that works brilliantly. |
| 11:15.02 | William | but its the best youcan get for standard utils |
| 11:15.05 | feng | grub ...? where |
| 11:15.07 | caphuso | yeah, simply let grub or lilo chain load NTLDR and be done with it |
| 11:15.13 | pinks | I have three versions of linix and 2 of windows all from grub |
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| 11:15.25 | pinks | and it just works (tm) |
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| 11:15.33 | feng | I have woody 3.0 r0 install CD,during the install i was asked for lilo install,nothing about grub |
| 11:15.48 | Coke | feng: woody requires you to install lilo, but you can change it afterwards by installing grub. it's a very simple procedure. you should install grub and install the latest kernel image immediately after installation is done. |
| 11:15.48 | caphuso | feng: doesn't matter |
| 11:15.50 | pinks | well - install lilo then |
| 11:15.50 | sep | feng: well lilo will do it also |
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| 11:16.26 | Coke | feng: if you want a more modern Debian, try using Sarge. There's a very nice rc3 net install image that works very nicely. |
| 11:16.35 | Coke | feng: it's about 120MB of download. |
| 11:16.45 | bugged | where can i find information to build a good server with file server mail server ect...? |
| 11:16.48 | sep | feng: and if you want a partition to be available from both windows and linux, use vfat not ntfs |
| 11:16.51 | feng | Coke, Thank you so much ,i just want to learn debian step by step |
| 11:16.56 | Coke | bugged: The Internet |
| 11:17.07 | bugged | Coke: great help |
| 11:17.07 | bugged | lol |
| 11:17.18 | Coke | well, it was a great question |
| 11:17.19 | pinks | feng - defrag and repartition |
| 11:17.26 | Coke | feng: I really recommend the Sarge net install. |
| 11:17.30 | pinks | it's the only way to do this sensibly |
| 11:17.32 | sep | bugged: ww.google.com there are several pick what you need from the different sites |
| 11:17.34 | feng | sep, i did not know the woody installer does not recognize NTFS partition |
| 11:17.42 | pinks | and Sarge is ace :-) |
| 11:17.50 | bugged | sep: where ca i find books? |
| 11:18.06 | Coke | feng: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:18.20 | Coke | feng: It's NTFS, ffs |
| 11:18.33 | feng | sorry,i do not own a CDRW |
| 11:18.42 | pinks | sarge reads NTFS - no problem :-) |
| 11:18.44 | Coke | feng: It's a Microsoft invention and as such they do everything they can to fuck things up for anyone else trying to implement it. |
| 11:18.48 | Coke | pinks: he wants to write too |
| 11:18.55 | Coke | NTFS bad, ext3 good |
| 11:18.59 | William | lol |
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| 11:19.07 | pinks | don't write to ntfs - windows wonlt read it :-/ |
| 11:19.18 | Coke | DON'T USE NTFS |
| 11:19.31 | Coke | that's the bottom line. |
| 11:19.46 | feng | pinks, i only need to create a shortcut to the basic bootable image from linux to NTFS partition |
| 11:20.11 | pinks | nope - you need linux partitions |
| 11:20.22 | pinks | and an install on Debian on them |
| 11:20.23 | feng | the shortcut will be 'debian.lnk', from doing dd if=/dev/linuxroot of=/mnt/NTFS count=1 bs=512 |
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| 11:20.33 | Coke | feng: it won't work. here's your todo list for today: 1) download the sarge net install ISO, 2) install Debian on an ext3 linux partition, 3) make GRUB boot your Windows XP |
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| 11:21.26 | feng | is GRUB available for Woody 3.0 r0 ? |
| 11:21.29 | pinks | feng - defrag, repartition, install debian (network is best) |
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| 11:21.34 | Coke | feng: ntfs = no no no no no! major no no! no usy le filesystem du stupid a la Windows. |
| 11:21.41 | Coke | feng: not in the installer. |
| 11:21.47 | feng | I see |
| 11:21.48 | nagual | what would a harddisk thats on a usbcard be called called? |
| 11:21.59 | caphuso | feng: you don't need grub |
| 11:22.06 | Coke | nagual: probably a scsi scsi device device |
| 11:22.07 | nagual | let me rephrase that |
| 11:22.11 | pinks | feng - forget all this about installing and NTFS - do the defrag and repartition |
| 11:22.14 | feng | caphuso, i am a bit familiar with lilo,but not grub |
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| 11:22.22 | nagual | its a pci card, that has usb ports on it, and the hd is a usb2 harddrive |
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| 11:22.25 | caphuso | feng: that's good |
| 11:22.32 | Coke | nagual: after loading the usb file storage drivers, check the output in dmesg, it should tell you what device it mapped to |
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| 11:22.44 | pinks | and it doesn;t matter which bootloader lilo or grub are equally usable |
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| 11:22.59 | nagual | Coke: oh yea, the usbdrivers, doh (simpsonstyle) |
| 11:23.05 | nagual | thanks |
| 11:23.08 | feng | Thanks for helps a lot,the conclusion is woody 3.0 r0 installer does not support writting to NTFS partition,now i see. |
| 11:23.15 | Mash | hallo |
| 11:23.20 | Coke | So, there is no common GNU utility for setting adate, mdate and/or cdate for files? |
| 11:23.29 | Mash | oh I meen hello ;-) |
| 11:23.38 | caphuso | Coke: touch |
| 11:23.51 | Coke | DUH! |
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| 11:24.04 | amran | hi guys. im running debian/testing and i apt-get updated today, and exim4 failed to update. the error message i get is "debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Debconf/Log.pm did not return a true value at (eval 1) line 4. |
| 11:24.04 | amran | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1) line 4.". can someone help please? |
| 11:24.16 | Coke | I assumed it could only set mdate to current date and made an Ass out of U and Me. |
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| 11:25.21 | mythsmith | How can I "insall as suid root" a program? (lufsmount) |
| 11:26.26 | Coke | caphuso: hm, unfortunately, it doesn't change cdate. |
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| 11:29.01 | feng | Hmm, sorry,but i have a spare 13 GIG HDD,can i intall debian on that HDD and give it all the space and by then will i still have the NTFS problem ? |
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| 11:29.57 | pinks | if you can make the bios boot from thah hdd - you will be able to install debian |
| 11:30.03 | pinks | *that |
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| 11:30.15 | feng | I see |
| 11:30.30 | pinks | why can't you defraga nd repartition? |
| 11:30.36 | pinks | *defrag and |
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| 11:31.13 | pinks | it is the easiest and best method of running dual-boot boxes |
| 11:31.13 | feng | why ? no sorry ,i have many datas in my current system |
| 11:31.15 | Shorty` | BAH |
| 11:31.20 | Shorty` | my md0 stuff's disapeared |
| 11:31.42 | pinks | not a problem - defrag the hdd all the blank space will be at the end of the drive |
| 11:31.53 | luulis | Coke: see info coreutils touch -- "In any case, it is not possible, in normal operations, for a user to change the ctime field to a user-specified value." |
| 11:31.58 | pinks | you can read the amount of free space |
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| 11:32.35 | pinks | and repartition the drive - making a linux partition usinf something a little less than the free space |
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| 11:33.08 | caphuso | pinks: you don't get free space with defrag |
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| 11:33.18 | Olw | can someone please provide me with an australian link to the full cd image of sarge |
| 11:33.24 | caphuso | you still need to shrink the filesystem somehow |
| 11:33.37 | pinks | of course not - but it puts everything to the "front" of the drive |
| 11:33.49 | pinks | and all the freespace to the "end" |
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| 11:34.16 | amran | hi guys. im running debian/testing and i apt-get updated today, and exim4 failed to update. the error message i get is "debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Debconf/Log.pm did not return a true value at (eval 1) line 4. |
| 11:34.19 | amran | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1) line 4.". can someone help please? |
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| 11:34.57 | luulis | amran: you could see if there's any bug report about that, if not, maybe file it yourself |
| 11:35.35 | amran | i had a quick look and found nothing. i'll file a bug report instead then |
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| 11:39.07 | raf256 | heh athcool is funny |
| 11:39.14 | raf256 | it makes my LAN card produce noise |
| 11:39.26 | raf256 | that can be heard in 2-3 meter radius from computer cool ;) |
| 11:40.23 | hexxeh|work | i get noise from the onboard lan on this office pc |
| 11:40.26 | hexxeh|work | wish i knew why |
| 11:40.35 | pillBOX | That doesn't seem like a good thing |
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| 11:41.54 | zinx | my NICs have no moving parts... |
| 11:42.07 | pillBOX | So says you. |
| 11:42.12 | raf256 | zinx: I think its generated by some |
| 11:42.18 | pillBOX | They aren't moving *yet* |
| 11:42.20 | raf256 | condensatros and/or this other parts |
| 11:42.24 | raf256 | taht can start to resonate a bit |
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| 11:43.12 | pillBOX | =/ |
| 11:43.54 | pillBOX | debian installed just now. I notice that dpkg doesn't speak too highly of it. Is it worth using the 3rd party packages? |
| 11:44.06 | pillBOX | err |
| 11:44.07 | pillBOX | xorg |
| 11:44.08 | pillBOX | Blah |
| 11:44.22 | pillBOX | It's late (early) |
| 11:44.35 | Eclipser | too highly of what? xorg? |
| 11:44.40 | Mash | http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ <--- here must I "only" make .debs when a newer version is available or? |
| 11:45.38 | tarzeau | Mash: you create debian packages? |
| 11:45.51 | Mash | äh |
| 11:46.00 | tarzeau | pillBOX: never use 3rd party software or packages |
| 11:46.01 | Mash | yes |
| 11:46.13 | tarzeau | Mash: in which section of wnpp? |
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| 11:46.33 | Mash | Pakages for Adoption |
| 11:46.48 | tarzeau | Mash: no you can also adopt packages with the same version, fixing bugs |
| 11:47.20 | Mash | oh only bug fixing |
| 11:47.21 | Mash | ? |
| 11:47.33 | tarzeau | Mash: no you can also just adopt it if you want to maintain it |
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| 11:50.20 | raf256 | <li><?LinkFile('cpu.ogg');?> the CPU</li> |
| 11:50.23 | raf256 | athcool produces this sounds if Im using LAN card: http://www.ifj.edu.pl/~rmaj/linux/athcool/?lang=en |
| 11:51.45 | zinx | that is one hell of a fan |
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| 11:52.32 | raf256 | zinx: yes |
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| 11:52.40 | raf256 | zinx: but its sooo quite, I love it |
| 11:52.47 | schelm | hi, after starting balsa i get "** Message: init gpgme version 1.0.2" after that nothing more happens! any hints? |
| 11:52.55 | raf256 | bigger fun == can have lower RPM == is quiter |
| 11:53.12 | raf256 | s/fun/fan |
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| 11:55.20 | doublehp | I want to archive my $HOME + some system dirs daily; looks like exhaustive tar is not really optimum :) shall I better go for rsync or subversion ? i want daily backup on both harddrive + remote server. |
| 11:55.41 | doublehp | !ping |
| 11:55.42 | dpkg | pong |
| 11:55.47 | raf256 | !pong |
| 11:55.47 | dpkg | methinks pong is the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
| 11:55.49 | hexxeh|work | amanda! |
| 11:55.54 | hexxeh|work | !amanda |
| 11:55.55 | dpkg | i heard amanda is Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (a backup system) |
| 11:56.40 | doublehp | dpkg: you sux |
| 11:56.40 | dpkg | no you fucking suck doublehp! |
| 11:56.40 | doublehp | hexxeh|work: any URL ? |
| 11:57.09 | Guerin | !fgi doublehp amanda+backup+system |
| 11:57.10 | dpkg | doublehp: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=amanda+backup+system |
| 11:57.16 | Guerin | come on |
| 11:57.29 | elephant | Hi all |
| 11:57.33 | Guerin | we know you're not THAT fucking stupid |
| 11:57.36 | elephant | What is better : svn | cvs ? |
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| 11:57.44 | hexxeh|work | there's also kdar on kde |
| 11:57.45 | Guerin | !start a rcs war |
| 11:57.45 | dpkg | All RCS pwns ! |
| 11:57.53 | daffy-pkf | can someone remember me in what file i define the dns addresses? |
| 11:57.56 | hexxeh|work | !start a food fight |
| 11:57.56 | dpkg | chicken is not tasty |
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| 11:58.09 | Guerin | daffy-pkf: named.conf |
| 11:58.24 | doublehp | !amanda |
| 11:58.24 | dpkg | i heard amanda is Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (a backup system) http://www.amanda.org/ |
| 11:58.29 | doublehp | better |
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| 12:00.49 | daffy-pkf | Guerin> hmmm, no, i mean the file where i write "nameserver IP" to set up a dns |
| 12:01.08 | henning_ | Hi the topic says people.debian.org is up again but I cannot reach the server :( |
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| 12:01.13 | streuner_ | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:01.27 | streuner_ | henning_: the server is prolly down |
| 12:01.39 | daffy-pkf | streuner_> yep, that's it, thanks |
| 12:01.44 | schelm | hi, after starting balsa i get "** Message: init gpgme version 1.0.2" after that nothing more happens! any hints? |
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| 12:02.41 | p00 | why is this channel so big |
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| 12:02.50 | S4nD3r_ | Hi |
| 12:03.08 | golanz | p00 : because debian is great |
| 12:03.09 | streuner_ | p00: #gentoo is bigger |
| 12:03.27 | S4nD3r_ | Which window manager is recommed to use??? Id like a fast, and which have tools in graphic menu. |
| 12:03.29 | _mordechai | moooooo |
| 12:03.47 | zinx | p00: well you obviously don't have anywhere better to be either, so don't fault us for it :P |
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| 12:03.54 | p00 | debian is being maintained by who? |
| 12:04.01 | eye69 | S4nD3r_: XFCE is quite nice. |
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| 12:04.16 | S4nD3r_ | but the menu is not easy to add tools |
| 12:04.17 | supaman | S4nD3r_: gnome, kde, windowmaker xfce ... uhh ... |
| 12:04.24 | streuner_ | p00: lots of people, see details at www.debian.org |
| 12:04.26 | S4nD3r_ | Ok supaman I know them |
| 12:04.30 | supaman | ice |
| 12:04.35 | eye69 | S4nD3r_: Neither Gnome nor KDE can be called fast. :) |
| 12:04.47 | Guerin | either cn be called anything |
| 12:04.48 | supaman | S4nD3r_: just try out a few and see what you like ... |
| 12:04.54 | Guerin | just not necessarily truthfully |
| 12:04.58 | S4nD3r_ | The detail is that just KDE and GNOME are more complete when we say about options in menu |
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| 12:05.19 | S4nD3r_ | I liked blackbox and Enlightenment |
| 12:05.21 | zinx | i plan to call them both horribly bloated |
| 12:05.30 | Guerin | zinx: i wouldn't disagree |
| 12:05.34 | S4nD3r_ | both theres no a lot of options in graphic menu. |
| 12:05.48 | Guerin | not that I'm doing much, might as well be using ratpoison |
| 12:05.58 | supaman | S4nD3r_: try out windowmaker ... |
| 12:06.11 | p00 | is debian community much bigger than freebsd one? |
| 12:06.23 | Guerin | !htfswk p00 |
| 12:06.24 | dpkg | p00: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 12:06.26 | S4nD3r_ | Its so fast, but no a lot of options in menu too supaman |
| 12:07.01 | supaman | S4nD3r_: use their tool to add options .. |
| 12:07.01 | S4nD3r_ | I think is difficult to add softwares link to menus (blackbox, xfce, and windowmaker) |
| 12:07.11 | S4nD3r_ | and enlightenment |
| 12:07.29 | S4nD3r_ | in my opinion those 4 are so fast |
| 12:07.33 | supaman | S4nD3r_: you find the preference utility in windowmaker difficult to use? |
| 12:07.53 | S4nD3r_ | Is possible to import menu from KDE to windowmaker? |
| 12:07.58 | foobar | fvwm? |
| 12:08.01 | Guerin | !possible |
| 12:08.02 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
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| 12:08.26 | S4nD3r_ | ok then |
| 12:08.36 | supaman | S4nD3r_: dont know .. never used KDE that much .. |
| 12:08.58 | doublehp | hexxeh|work: I dont have tapes; I use external HARD-DRiVE |
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| 12:09.17 | lucoxx | hi all good people:) ... i have glibc 2.3.2 (libc6) and i want to have the new glibc 2.3.4 ... i need it for gimpshop ... how should i do that ? |
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| 12:09.44 | Guerin | you don't want to fuck with libc |
| 12:09.44 | S4nD3r_ | supaman, what to you use? |
| 12:09.52 | Guerin | !iyhtays |
| 12:09.52 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 12:10.03 | supaman | S4nD3r_: windowmaker ... used it for years |
| 12:10.05 | lucoxx | dpkg why ? |
| 12:10.05 | dpkg | Because! |
| 12:10.13 | Guerin | the bot is right |
| 12:10.20 | lucoxx | :) |
| 12:10.23 | streuner_ | dpkg, what are you? |
| 12:10.24 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 12:10.27 | S4nD3r_ | ok. how do I discober which window manager are installed in my machine? |
| 12:10.37 | lucoxx | dpkg, glibc 2.3.4 ? |
| 12:10.48 | S4nD3r_ | in /etc/X11 ? |
| 12:11.14 | Guerin | fucking with libc is like taking a ball-pene hammer to your gearbox |
| 12:11.21 | foobar | yeah |
| 12:11.24 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 12:11.26 | gahan | packages.debian.org down? is it gonna come up soon? |
| 12:11.26 | foobar | just for a trivial ui hack |
| 12:11.27 | Guerin | don't do it unless you know just what you're hitting |
| 12:11.28 | streuner_ | true |
| 12:11.42 | supaman | S4nD3r_: I would rather try looking through /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 12:11.48 | streuner_ | gahan: we have no infos yet, prolly in some ML |
| 12:11.55 | Guerin | gahan: in the mean time, /msg dpkg info packagename might work |
| 12:12.14 | lucoxx | ANYONE a ADVICE for the WAY how can I replace my glibc with 2.3.4 ? pleeeeeeeeaseeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 12:12.30 | hexxeh|work | i would try doing "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" or x-window-manager |
| 12:12.30 | Guerin | lucoxx: man chroot |
| 12:12.33 | streuner_ | no, are you insane to compile libc6? |
| 12:12.44 | Guerin | streuner_: this is a question with only one answer |
| 12:12.48 | hexxeh|work | both of which will tell you what's available in real terms |
| 12:12.51 | Guerin | anyway |
| 12:12.55 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 12:12.57 | gahan | can i use the bot to search for files in package ? iwanna check which pkg contains site.py :) |
| 12:13.02 | lucoxx | streuner_ : there is .deb |
| 12:13.09 | foobar | while im in here... is unstable really unstable? |
| 12:13.10 | foobar | :) |
| 12:13.13 | _rene_ | lucoxx: wtf do you want to upgrade libc? |
| 12:13.22 | billyoc | or is it something else. |
| 12:13.24 | lucoxx | for gimpshop |
| 12:13.26 | golanz | p00 : do you need help ? |
| 12:13.28 | supaman | gahan: I think it is /msg dpkg find filename |
| 12:13.30 | billyoc | something we haven't seen before. |
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| 12:13.35 | _rene_ | foobar: yes, it can break every time. there *were* ocassions where it broke badly |
| 12:13.36 | lucoxx | gimp: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by gimp) |
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| 12:13.45 | foobar | ah |
| 12:13.51 | _rene_ | lucoxx: then it got built against glibc 2.3.4. lart the builder |
| 12:13.52 | foobar | testing has always been great for me |
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| 12:13.57 | _rene_ | lucoxx: is this some non-free crap or what? |
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| 12:14.10 | _rene_ | s/crap/binary-only crap/ |
| 12:14.16 | hexxeh|work | ahem |
| 12:14.20 | foobar | _rene_: its a gimp hack |
| 12:14.27 | hexxeh|work | Update:- Due to demand in comments i will compile/build packages/binary for Slackware and Debian distro. and post torrent download link. Plus will make / post source torrent download too. |
| 12:14.33 | foobar | _rene_: changes the menus to look slightly like photoshop |
| 12:14.36 | hexxeh|work | from the linux gimpshop porter's webpage |
| 12:14.47 | lucoxx | _rene_ : this is a hack of gimp that looks like photoshop : http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=241 |
| 12:14.48 | _rene_ | and? |
| 12:14.56 | _rene_ | then he built with experimental packages |
| 12:15.05 | _rene_ | or this is binary-only stuff which is shit anyway |
| 12:15.16 | _rene_ | anyway, there *is* 2.3.4 in experimental |
| 12:15.18 | Virtual | anybody knows why after a while when I try to play a sound or something it returns the message : "Please check that: Your sound card is configured or you have the correct plugin selected or no other program is blocking the sound system" sometimes it even happens while changing songs in XMMS |
| 12:15.26 | _rene_ | but you should know what you are doing when installing it |
| 12:15.30 | _rene_ | you *will* get problems |
| 12:15.32 | lucoxx | Guerin: i know how works chroot ? ... can u give me nearest advices ? |
| 12:15.46 | lucoxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.51 | hexxeh|work | currently there is only a fedora core 2 rpm available |
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| 12:15.59 | hexxeh|work | WAIT a day or two |
| 12:16.05 | supaman | Virtual: is this a message xmms gives you? |
| 12:16.13 | raf256 | if I have a short commend like "ifdown eth0" to be executed just after loading of LAN drivers and so on, and _before_ starting internet demons, and I have setup_eth.sh script, where should I put it / how to enable it... |
| 12:16.19 | hexxeh|work | he has already SAID he is going to release his source, as well as debian packages. don';t mess with glibc for the sake of 2 days |
| 12:16.22 | Virtual | yes, usually XMMS, I have KDE installed btw |
| 12:16.23 | raf256 | ...something like rc.* in other distros |
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| 12:16.54 | streuner_ | raf256: look at the exampes in ifupdown package |
| 12:17.02 | supaman | Virtual: so it happens with other software allso? |
| 12:17.17 | raf256 | streuner_: and where are these? |
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| 12:17.36 | streuner_ | raf256: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ ? |
| 12:17.43 | raf256 | I think it was just one commend, like rc-update myscript.sh ..... but how to set up the run level? |
| 12:18.01 | raf256 | this script will start the ifrename commend to change names/order of eth0<->eth1 cards |
| 12:18.05 | Virtual | supaman: only XMMS it seems |
| 12:18.08 | gahan | !find site.py |
| 12:18.17 | gahan | now it worked |
| 12:18.19 | gahan | :-) |
| 12:18.21 | streuner_ | raf256: oh, forget my advice then :-) |
| 12:18.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'site.py' (5 of 14): (/usr/lib/zope/utilities/load_site.py) in web/zope ;; (/usr/share/zope2.7/bin/load_site.py) in web/zope2.7 ;; (/etc/python2.1/site.py, /usr/lib/python2.1/site.py) in python/python2.1 ;; (/etc/python2.4/site.py, /usr/lib/python2.4/site.py) in python/python2.4 ;; (/etc/python2.2/site.py, /usr/lib/python2.2/site.py) in python/python2.2. |
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| 12:18.45 | raf256 | anyone.. how to make script /etc/init.d/something.sh to be executed on system startup? |
| 12:19.02 | supaman | Virtual: I would guess that xmms is blocking the sound card ... why it does that? .. dont know .. try searching google for it |
| 12:19.19 | lucoxx | no constructive ANSWER for my question than ? |
| 12:19.32 | Virtual | ok supaman thanks |
| 12:19.55 | ledet | raf256: man update-rc.d |
| 12:20.01 | S4nD3r_ | supaman, to install windowmaker using apt-get, which package should I choose? |
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| 12:20.26 | streuner_ | !info wmaker |
| 12:20.32 | dpkg | wmaker: (NeXTSTEP-like window manager for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.91.0-7 (sid), Packaged size: 2227 kB, Installed size: 6080 kB |
| 12:20.51 | S4nD3r_ | streuner_, thanks |
| 12:21.06 | supaman | and wmaker-data is allso nice |
| 12:21.17 | supaman | though not neccesery |
| 12:23.06 | streuner_ | lucoxx: to change libc6 only for one package isn't helpful, isn't it? specially its in experimental |
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| 12:23.20 | S4nD3r_ | after installed, they will be shown in my login menu ?? (gdm) |
| 12:23.40 | hexxeh|work | lucoxx, YOU HAVE YOUR ANSWER. changing glibc will FUCK your system, and the creator of gimpshop for linux will be making a debian release (rather than your fedora core 2 junk) imminently |
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| 12:24.25 | hexxeh|work | lucoxx, if you want to fuck your system, then fine, but by the time you've rebuilt it afetr the screwup, there will already be a version of this silly little package already compiled against debian |
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| 12:25.48 | simonrvn | gimpshop? |
| 12:25.54 | streuner_ | yep |
| 12:26.23 | simonrvn | what is it? |
| 12:26.36 | kneet | gimp with photoshop gui |
| 12:26.43 | simonrvn | ah |
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| 12:27.02 | mike_k | I'm trying to setup a USB scanner, using testing. when I connect the device, at tty1 I see 'USB 2-2: control timeout on ep0out' and 'USB 2-2: device not accepting address 4, error -110'. I've been seeing this when connecting USB devices recently and they don't work either |
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| 12:27.06 | lucoxx | hexxeh|work & streuner_ : thanks for answers |
| 12:27.27 | streuner_ | simonrvn: http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=241 |
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| 12:28.30 | mike_k | is USB broken in testing or something at the moment? cos the devices I see this with (on the other computer) worked till recently |
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| 12:29.22 | S4nD3r_ | read, im using windowmaker |
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| 12:29.58 | michael1234 | has anyone had problems with wget hanging at the end |
| 12:30.01 | root | O_o |
| 12:30.26 | S4nD3r_ | nothing from MENU is working |
| 12:30.31 | simonrvn | neat |
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| 12:31.17 | maxxle | Is there a way to deactivat the PC-Speaker permanently? Locally is no problem, but when i'm logged in to a ssh session the speaker beeps all the time. |
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| 12:31.31 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.20 | zinx | maxxle: locate speaker wire, unplug/cut |
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| 12:32.45 | maxxle | zinx: not very good for my thinkpad ;) |
| 12:32.52 | hexxeh|work | :| |
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| 12:33.05 | hexxeh|work | simonrvn, i fear the amount of ./configure --prefix=/usr |
| 12:33.09 | zinx | maxxle: setterm / xset |
| 12:33.20 | zinx | maxxle: that's not permanent, though. |
| 12:33.30 | zinx | maxxle: you'll have to re-run them when you reboot/restart X, respectively |
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| 12:33.48 | simonrvn | hexxeh|work: that's typical of gtk apps |
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| 12:34.21 | hexxeh|work | simonrvn, the guy should at least be using dh_make |
| 12:34.23 | mike_k | 'USB 2-2: control timeout on ep0out' and 'USB 2-2: device not accepting address 4, error -110' - help? anyone, please? |
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| 12:34.30 | maxxle | zinx: Any idea which parameters for xset/setterm? |
| 12:34.38 | simonrvn | hexxeh|work: *shrug* |
| 12:34.58 | gahan | how do i force bind9 to start after mysql ? |
| 12:35.36 | simonrvn | gahan: re-order it |
| 12:35.44 | gahan | simonrvn: update-rc.d ? |
| 12:35.54 | simonrvn | e.g. |
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| 12:36.04 | hexxeh|work | gahan, if you can get update-rc.d to behave, yes. |
| 12:36.14 | gahan | i'm not sure i can |
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| 12:37.02 | streuner_ | hehe, seems that everyone in the channel download gimpshop now, 3,5 kb/s :-) |
| 12:37.05 | simonrvn | you can always do it manually with ln -s |
| 12:37.11 | simonrvn | or mv |
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| 12:37.44 | mike_k | anyone know when Firefox will print using CUPS? |
| 12:37.45 | gahan | simonrvn: mv inside /etc/rc0.d/ ? or different dir |
| 12:38.13 | jm_ | mike_k: it already does |
| 12:38.13 | simonrvn | um, you want *start* not halt |
| 12:38.19 | simonrvn | rc2.d |
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| 12:39.17 | gahan | aha |
| 12:39.21 | mike_k | jm_: has the issue been resolved of disabling CUPS support in favour of xprint then? |
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| 12:39.50 | gahan | simonrvn: S19 is fine? :) |
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| 12:40.13 | jm_ | mike_k: I don't have any xprint packages installed, firefox lists all three printers configured in CUPS |
| 12:40.20 | simonrvn | up to you where to put it as long as it's sensible. S19 is ok i suppose |
| 12:40.42 | gahan | ok, thx |
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| 12:43.16 | mike_k | jm_: on my home computer I can print from everything apart from firefox. on the computer I'm setting up now its the same. I took the tasksel sugegstion of installing xprint, should I not? |
| 12:43.53 | pillBOX | Hrm. I have a quick question. The FAQ Wiki site indicates that if one `apt-get install gnome` that it will automagically install gdm and set it up to use graphical login |
| 12:43.59 | jm_ | mike_k: I have no idea, I never used it |
| 12:44.17 | mike_k | jm_: does firefox's use of 'lpr' need to be changed to 'lp' to get it to work with CUPS? |
| 12:44.22 | pillBOX | And, whereas I don't have a problem with not using gdm, I'm curious if I somehow fubared something in my fidgeting |
| 12:44.41 | foobar | the new version of gdm in testing b0rked one of my themes |
| 12:44.45 | streuner_ | simonrvn: that packages is compiled by alien :-P |
| 12:44.46 | foobar | the "industrial" theme |
| 12:44.52 | streuner_ | s/packages/package/ |
| 12:44.58 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 12:45.06 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 12:45.10 | jm_ | mike_k: I have it set to lpr, because I also have cupsys-bsd installed |
| 12:45.46 | pillBOX | How would one go about enabling graphical login using gdm if one were so inclined? |
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| 12:46.01 | jm_ | pilb;install gdm, or dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 12:46.06 | jm_ | pillBOX ^^^^^ |
| 12:46.09 | pillBOX | ^_^ |
| 12:46.10 | pillBOX | Thanks. |
| 12:46.11 | usn | hi |
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| 12:47.17 | Domen | hmm can you use parted to extend a partition off of one device onto another i.e. use space on hdb for /var on hda? |
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| 12:47.42 | Virtual | can anybody recomend me a good mp3 player ? |
| 12:47.49 | schelm | Virtual, xmms |
| 12:47.50 | streuner_ | xmms |
| 12:48.00 | Virtual | I have problems with it.. |
| 12:48.11 | schelm | tell us |
| 12:48.20 | maxxle | zinx: rmmod pcspkr does the trick for all consoles and so on. |
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| 12:48.44 | Virtual | when I try to play a sound or something it returns the message : "Please check that: Your sound card is configured or you have the correct plugin selected or no other program is blocking the sound system" |
| 12:49.19 | streuner_ | KDE or GNOME? |
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| 12:49.25 | visual_ | hi |
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| 12:49.33 | Virtual | KDE |
| 12:49.33 | visual_ | anyone tell me good client for linux to download *.torrents? |
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| 12:49.46 | streuner_ | Virtual: disable ARTS |
| 12:49.54 | Virtual | streuner_: how do I do that ? |
| 12:49.58 | mike_k | jm_: great that works. it atleast puts the job in the queue. (it still doesn't print but thats probly this other problem of USB devices timing out or something) |
| 12:50.00 | jm_ | visual_: bittorrent, bittornado, rtorrent, then there's azeures |
| 12:50.01 | DotHack | HI! |
| 12:50.12 | streuner_ | Virtual: run kcontrol and look in preferences |
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| 12:50.21 | visual_ | jm_: what would you suggest? |
| 12:50.31 | DotHack | question: I it possible to give arguments to the login shell in /etc/passwd? |
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| 12:50.38 | jm_ | visual_: I was using bittornado for a long time, but I use solely rtorrent nowadays |
| 12:50.53 | visual_ | jm_: wich one works better? |
| 12:51.03 | Virtual | streuner_: you mean Auto-Suspend feature or what ? |
| 12:51.17 | streuner_ | Virtual: no - ARTS |
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| 12:51.31 | streuner_ | Virtual: sounddaemon in KDE |
| 12:51.35 | jm_ | visual_: they both work good, but bittornado lacked the option of dynamic adjustments (upload rate, max. connections, ...) - the only disadvantage I see in rtorrent is that you can't limit download rate |
| 12:51.50 | visual_ | jm_: nods, thanks |
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| 12:52.02 | luulis | DotHack: I think if you do, it recognises it as a single program instead, like bash --option it recognises to be a program named "bash --option" |
| 12:52.03 | jm_ | ohh and you can't see who's downloading from you in bittornado and statistics, at least I didn't find a way |
| 12:52.08 | visual_ | !tell visual_ GUI |
| 12:52.23 | visual_ | anyone explain whats GUI? |
| 12:52.25 | visual_ | i forgot:P |
| 12:52.26 | DotHack | luulis: yes if ound that out but isnt there a way to do it? |
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| 12:52.32 | streuner_ | visual_: /msg dpkg foo |
| 12:52.34 | jm_ | visual_: dict gui |
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| 12:53.09 | visual_ | thanks i tought it was that:P |
| 12:53.12 | DotHack | im trying to get uucico to load a different configuration file when for a specific user |
| 12:53.51 | magnus | is there anyway to set up md software raid volumes in debian using a ncurses based tool, the way you can do in the new debian installation program? |
| 12:54.03 | DotHack | /usr/sbin/uucico -L $configfile does it but i need to get that into /etc/passwd and get login to run in |
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| 12:54.18 | hexxeh|work | magnus, not that i know of, please let me know if you find one |
| 12:54.19 | Virtual | streuner_: if I disable that would my sound still work ? |
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| 12:54.41 | BadMan | Any Idea what happened here after and upgrade yesterday? Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but this X module is version 1.0.7174. |
| 12:54.59 | streuner_ | Virtual: sure |
| 12:55.09 | DotHack | BadMan: well you have a version mismatch |
| 12:55.11 | streuner_ | Virtual: /msg dpkg sound |
| 12:55.11 | Virtual | well what is his function then anyway ? |
| 12:55.29 | visual_ | btw, anyone knows how can i make command "modprobe sb" to execute autom. when i start my debian? |
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| 12:55.39 | BadMan | DotHack: I can see that, but how did that happen after my upgrade yesterday? |
| 12:55.41 | visual_ | so that i dont have to set sound manually all the time |
| 12:55.43 | streuner_ | Virtual: to get a noise when you open browser or leave the menu or getting mails |
| 12:55.47 | magnus | visual_: type in the module name in /etc/modules |
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| 12:55.53 | DotHack | BadMan: what kind of upgrade did you do? |
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| 12:56.10 | visual_ | magnus: thanks |
| 12:56.11 | BadMan | apt-get upgrade, I even read through all 125(since I was down for a week) |
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| 12:56.20 | BadMan | after apt-get update of course |
| 12:56.25 | Virtual | so they can`t both work ? XMMS and ARTS ? |
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| 12:56.38 | streuner_ | Virtual: they can |
| 12:56.51 | streuner_ | Virtual: but you don't really need it |
| 12:56.59 | DotHack | BadMan: it did something wrong with your nvidia modules then |
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| 12:57.18 | DotHack | BadMan: did you reboot? |
| 12:57.23 | Virtual | yeah even so can you tell me how to make them both work ? just in case.. |
| 12:57.26 | BadMan | yeah, thats how I found it |
| 12:57.44 | streuner_ | Virtual: just apt-get the xmms-ARTS plugin |
| 12:57.56 | Virtual | thanks |
| 12:57.59 | Virtual | again :) |
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| 12:58.42 | BadMan | I have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and checked all of it out, everything is right... |
| 12:58.45 | DotHack | BadMan: are you using that apt nvidia modules or did you install them yourself? |
| 12:58.51 | BadMan | apts |
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| 12:59.12 | DotHack | BadMan: weird theres probably something wrong there then |
| 12:59.27 | BadMan | ok.... a hunting I will go.... |
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| 12:59.44 | streuner_ | Virtual: apt-cache show xmms-arts |
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| 13:00.30 | DotHack | BadMan: there probable is a difference between nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx |
| 13:00.47 | BadMan | DotHack: yeah looking now... |
| 13:01.03 | DotHack | But now one knows how to give arguments to a logon shell in /etc/passwd? |
| 13:01.10 | streuner_ | Virtual: that's only important if you have the ARTS daemon enabled, otherwise /msg dpkg sound |
| 13:01.16 | DotHack | now=no |
| 13:01.24 | jethro | 8et comenfin je compte regarer |
| 13:01.24 | jethro | mais rien implémenter |
| 13:01.29 | jethro | damn fucking lag |
| 13:01.35 | jethro | sorry , it was meant for another window |
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| 13:02.34 | BadMan | seems to be nvidia-glx from apt throwing it... it's nvidia-glx (1.0.7174-3) |
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| 13:02.48 | WiFiTux | someone knows a app to access a Solaris GUI from Windows/Linux? Like Exceed or Reflection X, but free? |
| 13:02.56 | jm_ | WiFiTux: XFree86 |
| 13:03.05 | jethro | WiFiTux: cygwin/xfree |
| 13:03.11 | abli | Hi! should /etc/grub.conf and /boot/grub/menu.lst be symlinks? I messed around a bit with /etc/grub.conf and now my changes are "ignored" at boot. I suspect /etc/grub.conf was a symlink and I overwrote it with a normal file. |
| 13:03.12 | BadMan | how do I revert to 1.0.7167 |
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| 13:03.24 | DotHack | BadMan: do you have an unofficial source in your sources.list? |
| 13:03.31 | BadMan | or should I update my nvidia kernel |
| 13:03.34 | BadMan | DotHack: no |
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| 13:03.53 | WiFiTux | jm_ jethro how about a version for Windows? |
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| 13:04.01 | jm_ | WiFiTux: there is a version for Windows |
| 13:04.03 | jethro | WiFiTux: read what I said |
| 13:04.09 | jethro | WiFiTux: cygwin implies windows |
| 13:04.13 | coachz | how do i upgrade my KDE in debian to the new 3.4. i'm on 3.3.2 |
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| 13:04.26 | BadMan | DotHack: i have nvidia kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 13:04.38 | WiFiTux | jethro: I never knows you could have a gui with cygwin |
| 13:04.46 | jethro | WiFiTux: you should google more |
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| 13:04.48 | WiFiTux | s/kows/knew |
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| 13:05.00 | DotHack | BadMan: i personally never use the apt nvidia-* |
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| 13:05.21 | DotHack | BadMan: i use the official drivers from www.nvidia.com |
| 13:05.21 | foobar | DotHack: why not? |
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| 13:05.50 | smoser | what is the "correct" way to get my debian kernel tree ready for external modules to be able to build from it? |
| 13:05.51 | DotHack | BadMan: Didnt you figure that out yet?? |
| 13:05.51 | foobar | DotHack: i get the nvidia-kernel-source packages |
| 13:06.02 | BadMan | they were fine and had a hopeless mess of a time trying to use the nvidia module |
| 13:06.02 | DotHack | foobar: wel thats true!! |
| 13:06.03 | smoser | anything other than: PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg configure ? |
| 13:06.27 | foobar | DotHack: what's true? |
| 13:06.34 | oZt | Why does knoppix boot when sarge netinst doesn't? (On an old p120) |
| 13:06.56 | coachz | it has your drivers ? |
| 13:07.03 | foobar | lol |
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| 13:07.15 | DotHack | foobar: using the nvidia-kernel-sources |
| 13:07.20 | oZt | It doesn't even try to boot |
| 13:07.22 | DotHack | But no one knows how to give arguments to a logon shell in /etc/passwd? |
| 13:07.31 | oZt | that's the prob. |
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| 13:07.59 | jm_ | oZt: sure it does |
| 13:08.09 | DotHack | Why dont a have nvidia-glx in my package cahce? |
| 13:08.14 | oZt | it is as if the cd wasn't there.. (And I've used the cd before on this comp for example) |
| 13:08.23 | smoser | DotHack, I don't know that you can. |
| 13:08.25 | jm_ | oZt: try using sbm |
| 13:08.30 | oZt | sbm? |
| 13:08.42 | smoser | DotHack, specify /bin/myshell, and write a wrapper script |
| 13:08.50 | jm_ | yes, sbm |
| 13:08.59 | oZt | and that is? |
| 13:09.13 | jm_ | apt-cache show sbm |
| 13:09.16 | oZt | ok |
| 13:09.17 | DotHack | smoser: i tried that but i get privilege errors and i dont want to use a wrpaper |
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| 13:09.44 | BadMan | well downloading latest from nvidia, it is correct version so I will giv eit a try from there... off to work outside, later |
| 13:09.52 | smoser | DotHack, someone I work with had to do that once, and ended up going with a wrapper. |
| 13:10.01 | smoser | I dont' know that there is another way. |
| 13:10.11 | abli | Also: how do I debug an "Error: 12: invalid device requested" error message I got from grub? I don't se how the device I gave would be "invalid" |
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| 13:10.34 | jm_ | abli: try using --recheck with grub-install |
| 13:10.35 | DotHack | bleh, to bad well i'll just go on puzzling hehe :) |
| 13:10.58 | coachz | How do i upgrade my KDE in debian to the new 3.4. i'm on 3.3.2 |
| 13:11.17 | jm_ | coachz: google for Debian kde 3.4 |
| 13:11.18 | oZt | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 13:11.25 | abli | jm_, ok, ill try that |
| 13:11.35 | coachz | oZt, me? |
| 13:11.42 | coachz | jm_, thanks |
| 13:11.44 | oZt | coachz, yeah.... |
| 13:11.45 | oZt | sorta |
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| 13:12.04 | oZt | it should upgrade everything (that is in your sources.list file..) |
| 13:12.18 | coachz | k, wish me luck |
| 13:12.24 | jm_ | it would if KDE 3.4 was in Debian ;) |
| 13:13.24 | oZt | jm_, tsk, it does for me :) |
| 13:13.32 | oZt | maybe not 3.4... |
| 13:13.47 | oZt | Hmm, got 3.3 :) |
| 13:13.54 | jm_ | oZt: honestly, google for "debian kde 3.4" and follow second link |
| 13:14.19 | oZt | Ok |
| 13:15.07 | jm_ | most users should just wait until it enters Debian properly |
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| 13:15.49 | oZt | ok |
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| 13:17.18 | _TeRmInEt_ | hi |
| 13:17.32 | _TeRmInEt_ | anypeople know kismet? |
| 13:17.46 | jethro | _TeRmInEt_: no |
| 13:17.53 | jethro | _TeRmInEt_: nobody uses kismet |
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| 13:18.07 | simonrvn | not even the people who use it :P |
| 13:18.18 | _TeRmInEt_ | O_o |
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| 13:18.35 | simonrvn | just ask your question |
| 13:18.55 | Steven_ | hello, has anyone managed to get the intel i915 graphics drivers working on a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 13:19.14 | _TeRmInEt_ | simple, not work and crash system |
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| 13:20.21 | simonrvn | that's a statement of what's happening. you need to be more specific |
| 13:20.39 | yonixxx | under debian sarge i'm trying make a symlink... "symlink /dtcadmin /usr/share/dtc/admin/" ... this is not good ? |
| 13:20.48 | mustard | I'm trying to set up scanners, but can't find any scanner module in the kernel config or sources |
| 13:21.07 | pingouin | mustard: which scanner ? |
| 13:21.14 | pingouin | mustard: brand / ref ? |
| 13:21.39 | simonrvn | yonixxx: real file first, then symlink |
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| 13:21.53 | yonixxx | k |
| 13:22.12 | Rawplayer | hi ninja_ |
| 13:22.25 | _TeRmInEt_ | simonrvn: uhm, it crash when it try to open hostap driver |
| 13:22.33 | mustard | pingouin: epson perfection 2400 (usb) |
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| 13:22.37 | pingouin | mustard: you dont need modules for scan - generally - you'll use sane, you need all the usb stuff in modules or builded in, for the drivers, it's libsane |
| 13:22.45 | pingouin | mustard: the most easiest :) |
| 13:22.52 | pingouin | mustard: to install |
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| 13:23.14 | mustard | pingouin: ok, thanks so I just need to install sane? |
| 13:23.21 | pingouin | mustard: a little bit more |
| 13:23.49 | pingouin | mustard: you have it in /var/log/message when you plug it ? |
| 13:23.59 | simonrvn | s |
| 13:24.11 | Underhill | I tried to sftp but i got, Received message too long 1416128883. No echo on my .bashrc |
| 13:24.44 | yonixxx | simonrvn, i'm root and here what i got;debian:/var/www# link /usr/share/dtc/admin/ dtcadmin |
| 13:24.44 | yonixxx | link: cannot create link `dtcadmin' to `/usr/share/dtc/admin/': Operation not permitted |
| 13:24.47 | pingouin | mustard: you'll need to install xsane , then edit the conf file to set up the /dev/usb |
| 13:25.09 | pingouin | mustard: check also the rights on /dev/usb/scanner* (root:scanner) |
| 13:25.17 | pingouin | mustard: add yourself also to scanner group |
| 13:25.27 | simonrvn | yonixxx: *symlink*. you can't a) hard link across filesystems b) hardlink directories |
| 13:25.40 | simonrvn | man ln |
| 13:25.46 | pingouin | mustard: this is the driver for 2400 photo : http://khk.net/sane/ |
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| 13:26.01 | yonixxx | ok |
| 13:26.03 | treestone | Underhill: Possibly trying to connect with ssh1 protocol where server only accepts ssh2 protocol. |
| 13:26.33 | pingouin | mustard: http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-epson.5.html |
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| 13:27.24 | mlambie | anyone know where planet.debian.(org/net) has gone? |
| 13:27.38 | mustard | pingouin: great, thanks for all that |
| 13:27.42 | aardvark | !pity mlambie |
| 13:27.44 | dpkg | I pity da fool mlambie! |
| 13:28.00 | mike_k | has anyone seen this kindof problem: boot; sane-find-scanner finds and identifies scanner make and model; run scanimag -L, it takes ages then finds nothing; run sane-find-scanner again and it finds but doesn't identifiy the scanner |
| 13:28.03 | treestone | mustard: epson? You get better results with epson iscan: http://www.epkowa.co.jp/english/linux_e/index.html |
| 13:28.11 | mlambie | !pity myself |
| 13:28.12 | dpkg | I pity da fool myself! |
| 13:28.12 | pingouin | mustard: a pleasure ;) i had so much pain with my 1st install ;) |
| 13:28.38 | pzn | Hi! I need to use IPSec with Debian. Does debian kernel images comes with 26sec or klips? how can I check that? |
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| 13:29.15 | Underhill | treestone: Perhaps its the other way around, I tried with SSH2 on gFTP, it says "This account is currently not available". |
| 13:29.30 | treestone | Underhill: Could be the other way around. |
| 13:29.59 | mike_k | sane-find-scanner for a regular user won't find the scanner, shouldn't it be enough that they're in the group scanner? |
| 13:30.26 | Underhill | treestone: sorry if this sound stupid, how do I use SSH1 instead of SSH2 |
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| 13:32.03 | treestone | Underhill: On the server side: /etc/ssh/sshd_config set Protocol 1, on the client side set Protocol 1 in /etc/ssh/ssh_config (this makes it global, of course) Or, on the client side, 'ssh -1' |
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| 13:33.44 | mustard | pingouin: I have install xsane, etc - I think my usb is not picking up the scanner correctly - I have usbcore and uhci-hcd installed - anything else needed? |
| 13:34.25 | biggi_mat | i have local network and the computers are connected one to another (lights are on) but there is no traffic between them. i don't know what should i do. i tried million of things but nothing good. any ideas what to do? |
| 13:34.43 | jm_ | biggi_mat: start with the basic stuff first |
| 13:34.44 | pingouin | mustard: what make tell you this ? , unplug the scan, tail -f /var/log/messages then plug the scan to see |
| 13:34.56 | biggi_mat | jm_ what do you have in mind ? |
| 13:35.15 | Underhill | treestone: thanks |
| 13:35.26 | jm_ | biggi_mat: cabling, link negotiation (force it if needed), then assign them IP-s and try to ping them and so on |
| 13:35.37 | mustard | pingouin: ah - I was loading the wrong hcd module |
| 13:35.57 | biggi_mat | jm_ all of this is done only problem is there is no ping replies |
| 13:36.16 | jm_ | biggi_mat: did you verify if both ends report the same link status? |
| 13:36.17 | mustard | pingouin: sane-find-scanner also found it now :-) I think just perms left to sort out |
| 13:36.47 | biggi_mat | jm_ verify how? |
| 13:36.54 | mustard | pingouin: do I manually change the groups etc of the /dev/usb/scanner* ? |
| 13:36.59 | biggi_mat | jm_ i don't understan what you mean, sorry |
| 13:36.59 | jm_ | biggi_mat: with the tools that work with your drivers |
| 13:37.04 | pingouin | mustard: good, wait i remember i've found a script in /where/is/it ?! that make the right ok for user |
| 13:37.22 | pingouin | mustard: you dont change the group, apt-get install xsane, created a scanner group |
| 13:37.29 | biggi_mat | jm_ drivers are installed if that's what you mean. here in debian the module is loaded. |
| 13:37.30 | pingouin | mustard: just adduser you scanner |
| 13:37.43 | biggi_mat | there in workstation (windows) NIC works |
| 13:38.02 | jm_ | biggi_mat: sure, that's the first step, there are tools like mii-diag and ethtool, then there's tcpdump to check if you see any traffic at all |
| 13:38.08 | mustard | pingouin: ok, but ls -l /dev/usb/scan* shows their group as 'root' |
| 13:38.48 | mustard | the scanner group has been added |
| 13:39.00 | biggi_mat | jm_ i did tcpdump. it says (for the local net) arp who has k0x.k0x.net (k0x.net is my domain and k0x is the name of this server) tell 192.168.0.2 (local IP of workstation) |
| 13:39.06 | biggi_mat | i'm not sure what that means anyway |
| 13:39.15 | biggi_mat | i will check what the other two tools are |
| 13:39.16 | pingouin | mustard: so you have to chown them root:scanner |
| 13:39.21 | jm_ | biggi_mat: it means it sees some traffic |
| 13:39.55 | Pappa | debian sid runs glibc 2.3 or glibc 2.2? |
| 13:40.11 | stew | Pappa: 2.3 |
| 13:40.22 | Pappa | allright |
| 13:40.32 | stew | Pappa: /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 13:41.00 | biggi_mat | jm_ yes. there is trafic in the workstation -- > server direction but no traffic in the other way |
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| 13:41.38 | biggi_mat | i see this info in windows connection manager |
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| 13:42.04 | jm_ | biggi_mat: then there's an issue with the server I suppose |
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| 13:42.11 | mawenyi | hi |
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| 13:42.23 | mawenyi | What is this? |
| 13:42.41 | mawenyi | help /? |
| 13:42.57 | pingouin | mustard: i dont have my scan set up under this debian64 bit, i cant remerber which is it, but there is a small script (few lines only) in /etc/sane/ or /etc/sane.D /etc/hotplug hotplug.d ../usb/libasane.usermap libusbscanner |
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| 13:44.30 | pingouin | mustard: this script tell the hotplug to chmod the /dev/usb/device just comment some line and add 770 instead of the actual you'll find it , then logout, unplug scan, login, plug the scan (check the /var/log/messages in same time) |
| 13:44.35 | _joey | how do I mount smbfs so regular users can rw ? |
| 13:44.39 | dcrm-libra | hi. Where in Debian Sarge do I put static routes, is there one? man interfaces says nothing about it. |
| 13:44.56 | mustard | pingouin: cool, thanks :-) |
| 13:45.15 | simonrvn | man ifupdown; look for up/down command, else look in man interfaces |
| 13:45.15 | jc-denton | http://rafb.net/paste/results/CyzD0836.html |
| 13:45.21 | simonrvn | commands* |
| 13:45.24 | jm_ | biggi_mat: that means 192.168.0.2 is trying to find the computer with IP k0x.k0x.net (this was probably resolved by tcpdump, in reality it asks for its IP) |
| 13:45.27 | jc-denton | how do i get rid of this package now? |
| 13:46.01 | jm_ | biggi_mat: you should also see something like "k0x.k0x.net is at XX:YY:ZZ...' |
| 13:46.16 | _joey | nobody knows? |
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| 13:46.41 | caspercba | hello, i got some trouble running x |
| 13:46.42 | jm_ | regular users can use smbmount just fine |
| 13:47.00 | pingouin | caspercba: get a ticket number ;) |
| 13:47.23 | caspercba | pingouin: ok, i got it, thanks, now i´ll wait |
| 13:47.23 | jm_ | jc-denton: try dpkg -P pkgname |
| 13:47.31 | pingouin | ;) |
| 13:47.41 | pingouin | caspercba: lane 4 please ;) ati or nvidia ? |
| 13:47.42 | jhares | using anynody skype? i have latest version.. and i have problem with logging again when i close it..? |
| 13:47.50 | jc-denton | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.50 | jc-denton | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.01 | jc-denton | hrmm |
| 13:48.01 | jethro | k0x.net ? is that some gay pr0n domain name? |
| 13:48.03 | jm_ | check the state it's in |
| 13:48.06 | jc-denton | it is not |
| 13:48.24 | caspercba | pingouin: S3, is the video card, but i´m using vesa driver |
| 13:48.26 | _joey | jm_ thanks |
| 13:48.30 | jc-denton | i dont have the package anymore |
| 13:48.36 | jc-denton | so reinstalling is not an option |
| 13:48.41 | pingouin | caspercba: no X at all ? |
| 13:48.42 | jm_ | no, with respect to dpkg's idea |
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| 13:49.24 | sep | does postfix in debian sarge do mx lookups in a different way from the 'host' program ? using host -t mx aasen.cx i get vaild mx records, but i still get the following error in postfix mail.log (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=aasen.cx type=MX: Host not found, try again ) |
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| 13:49.59 | biggi_mat | jm_ you still here? i'm back. sorry about that. |
| 13:50.00 | jm_ | sep: MTA-s often read resolv.conf on startup and then do name resolution by themselves |
| 13:50.05 | jm_ | biggi_mat: yes, read above |
| 13:50.07 | biggi_mat | ok you are :) |
| 13:50.07 | caspercba | pingouin: when i installed x server it worked perfectly well. Then i installed KDE, and when i run startx, it begins loading, everything is fine, mouse, screen resolution, videocard, i also can see the icons of kde when it´s loading |
| 13:50.09 | biggi_mat | yep yep |
| 13:50.35 | sep | jm_ ahhha damn im stupid |
| 13:50.35 | caspercba | pingouin: But in the middle of loading process it goes out error 11 |
| 13:50.49 | jm_ | sep: or better yet, it's not MTA-s that do, but libc6 |
| 13:50.50 | biggi_mat | ok jm_ so if it's trying to find this k0x.k0x.net what should i do to "help" him find it? |
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| 13:51.10 | biggi_mat | i don't understand what do you mean by XX:YY... |
| 13:51.11 | coachz | I ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on my sarge but I'm still KDE 3.3.2. What's it take to get KDE 3.4 ? |
| 13:51.21 | resiak | !topicsmite coachz |
| 13:51.21 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon coachz. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:51.25 | jm_ | biggi_mat: the computer with that IP should respond with "I am the one who has this IP", but it doesn't - XX:YY is MAC address of your ethernet card |
| 13:51.28 | pingouin | caspercba: i'm cluless...about S3 .... resiak had a remark on it upper |
| 13:51.34 | biggi_mat | aptc-cache search kde3.4 ? |
| 13:51.37 | biggi_mat | -c |
| 13:51.50 | jm_ | coachz: I told you what to do and unexperienced people should not use KDE 3.4 in Debian right now |
| 13:51.53 | jc-denton | argh |
| 13:51.59 | jc-denton | what can i do now |
| 13:52.00 | resiak | pingouin, caspercba: Don't rely on my notion that S3 cards don't play nicely -- I have basicaly no idea. |
| 13:52.11 | coachz | jm_, what did you say to do? |
| 13:52.20 | biggi_mat | jm_ owh ok. but how to tell this computer that he's the one 192.168.0.2 is looking for ? |
| 13:52.28 | green_earz | hi all. i have had a bit of a problem with a partition check on the boot run. the 30 times boot partition check stop at the /home partition and i was give two options ctrl D or to log in as root. and repait it. i took the ctrl D option. and the system booted up ok. but where do i start to find out how to repair it ??? |
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| 13:53.02 | resiak | man fsck |
| 13:53.06 | coachz | does sarge not like KDE 3.4? |
| 13:53.07 | caspercba | pingouin: I discovered something weird, when i start two sessions at the same time, i mean, i make startx in 1st virtual console, and startx -- :1 in 2nd console, it works perfectly. The first session doesn´t work but the second one works perfectly well |
| 13:53.43 | green_earz | resiak: that the one i after man fsck thanks |
| 13:53.52 | caspercba | pingouin: i know that my video card is a piece of shit, but this thing is really weird |
| 13:54.10 | biggi_mat | damn |
| 13:54.14 | caspercba | pingouin: i'm using woody |
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| 13:54.28 | biggi_mat | any one else knows how to tell the server that 192.168.0.2 is lookig for? if you know what i mean.. |
| 13:54.45 | pingouin | caspercba: oh my god, it's work on 2 session ;) |
| 13:54.48 | pingouin | :) |
| 13:54.53 | pingouin | i hate computers |
| 13:54.57 | aardvark | !confuse biggi_mat |
| 13:54.58 | dpkg | Yes, who was your hamster today, biggi_mat? pants of the people's republic of swaziland with extra cream |
| 13:55.17 | biggi_mat | aardvark :o |
| 13:55.25 | biggi_mat | i am already enough confused :) |
| 13:55.38 | caspercba | pingouin: yes, the only way i found to make it work, is starting two sessions at the same time |
| 13:55.45 | biggi_mat | i'm dealing with this non-traffic shit for last 4 days so.. |
| 13:55.46 | pingouin | lol |
| 13:56.12 | schelm | how can i delete _all_ files which belongs to a package, i also want to remove all config-files! any hints? |
| 13:56.26 | pingouin | caspercba: did you try with another lighter wm, instead of kde ? |
| 13:56.33 | pzn | I'd like to know if debian kernel 2.6.8-2 comes with 26sec(ipsec) compiled as a module or no. which is the module name of it? |
| 13:56.42 | stew | schelm: dpkg -P pkgname ; or apt-get --purge remove pkgname |
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| 13:57.01 | schelm | stew, thanks |
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| 13:57.43 | roberto | hi :) |
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| 13:57.55 | caspercba | pingouin: no, but when i get some time, i´ll try gnome, or maybe fluxbox |
| 13:58.49 | pingouin | caspercba: try fluxbox, flwm, just to see |
| 13:58.54 | Comte0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.09 | resiak | Openbox! |
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| 13:59.37 | caspercba | ok pingouin: ok ill try, i´ll come back |
| 13:59.38 | biggi_mat | resiak would you know what to do maybe? |
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| 14:01.01 | yonixxx | where is php.ini ? (locate don't work) |
| 14:01.19 | resiak | biggi_mat: I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. |
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| 14:01.44 | jc-denton | can somebody help me with dpkg? |
| 14:01.59 | jc-denton | http://rafb.net/paste/results/CyzD0836.html |
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| 14:02.28 | btd | what is the path to gcc on a standard debian installation? when I try "find / -name gcc" I get a bunch of permission denied errors. |
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| 14:02.38 | resiak | jc-denton: Do you have things depending on your kernel image? |
| 14:02.59 | petemc | btd: which gcc |
| 14:03.01 | biggi_mat | resiak look: i have local network but the problem is there is no traffic between workstation and server. jm thinks that the problem is that workstation is trying to find k0x.k0x.net (servername) but server doesn0t know that that's him. (that just easy description of everything). maybe is there another problem not that k0x.k0x.net doesn't know what he is? |
| 14:03.05 | valdyn_ | jc-denton: just reinstall it, the purge it |
| 14:03.22 | magnus | After i installed (didnt have it before) mdadm, one raidarray in /etc/mdstat dissapeared after reboot. Can it be due to old/new tools? How can one fix the old array into new mdadm? |
| 14:03.28 | jc-denton | i dont have it anymore |
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| 14:04.01 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: a host does not care about its dns name in that case |
| 14:04.03 | pzn | jc-denton, try: dpkg --purge packagename |
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| 14:04.12 | resiak | biggi_mat: Are you behind a NAT router? I have resiak.dyndns.org pointing at my router, but I can't access that from within the network because my routery adsl thing doesn't like looping back on itself. |
| 14:04.28 | yonixxx | locate doen't work on my sarge how do i make it work ? |
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| 14:04.41 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 14:04.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:04.47 | pingouin | :) |
| 14:04.49 | biggi_mat | resiak i don't have any router, hub , switch or whatever so no.. |
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| 14:04.59 | jc-denton | pzn: i tried -P |
| 14:05.05 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ so what could be the problem ? |
| 14:05.11 | yonixxx | coin coin |
| 14:05.11 | pzn | I already asked some questions about debian kernel and ipsec/26sec but got no answer. can you recommend me a better irc channel for posting this question? |
| 14:05.21 | biggi_mat | there is some traffic in workstation-->server direction but no response |
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| 14:05.29 | resiak | biggi_mat: When did you assign k0x.k0x.net to that computer? Has your DNS server picked up the change yet? It can take like 24 hours. |
| 14:05.38 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: we can hardly know befor you give some specific info |
| 14:05.41 | yonixxx | debian:~# locate php.ini |
| 14:05.42 | yonixxx | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 14:05.43 | jc-denton | resiak: no |
| 14:05.46 | biggi_mat | k0x.k0x.net is like 1 month old dns name |
| 14:05.51 | Glanzmann | What is the name of the package / tool in Debian that copies executables + shared libs (if there are any to a initrd)? |
| 14:05.59 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ what do you need for info? |
| 14:06.09 | resiak | Glanzmann: You mean mkinitrd? |
| 14:06.13 | Guerin | Glanzmann: mkinitrd |
| 14:06.22 | resiak | Glanzmann: But why aren't you using kernel-package as Nature intended? |
| 14:06.32 | resiak | Glanzmann: And do you have any particular reason to roll your own kernel? |
| 14:06.40 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ i have local network (like: mode-->server(debian)-->workstation(wins). everything is configured but there is no traffic between this to computers |
| 14:06.41 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: like, on your client, do a "host k0x.k0x.net" |
| 14:06.42 | jc-denton | it always tells me i should reinstall it |
| 14:06.46 | jc-denton | whatever i try |
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| 14:07.22 | btd | what is the path to gcc on a standard debian installation? when I try "find / -name gcc" I get a bunch of permission denied errors. |
| 14:07.34 | Glanzmann | resiak: I am setting up a devicemapper/crypto. And I want to be able to boot the machine via wakup/onlan. So I need to ssh into the initrd phase to enter a passphrase to decrypt the symmetric key to access my root filesystem. |
| 14:07.38 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: ping <server name> and ping <server IP> |
| 14:07.44 | Guerin | btd: which gcc |
| 14:07.48 | Guerin | btd: be root, matey |
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| 14:07.55 | Glanzmann | So I am kicking debian stuff out and go my own way which includes setting up initrd, too. |
| 14:08.18 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 14:08.18 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 14:08.27 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ in host k0x.k0x.net i get my external IP |
| 14:08.51 | btd | Guerin: thanks. still no luck, though. :( |
| 14:09.05 | Guerin | btd: it's possible you don't have it installed |
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| 14:09.18 | jc-denton | so the package will be broken and unpurgable forever? |
| 14:09.19 | btd | Guerin: it's starting to look that way. |
| 14:09.21 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: so it does resolve, so its not a dns problem. |
| 14:09.22 | xiaogil | what's the difference between \r and \n in regexp ? |
| 14:09.27 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: now ping your server with its local IP |
| 14:09.31 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ yep |
| 14:09.33 | Guerin | !b-e btd |
| 14:09.34 | dpkg | btd: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 14:09.43 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ ping my server from workstation or from server itself? |
| 14:09.59 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: everything from workstation |
| 14:10.06 | biggi_mat | k |
| 14:10.18 | btd | dpkg: thanks for the tip. |
| 14:10.19 | dpkg | sure thing, btd |
| 14:10.24 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: ping k0x.k0x.net too, from workstation |
| 14:10.52 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ no reply. workstation is just not on net |
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| 14:11.10 | resiak | Glanzmann: That sounds very scary, and I'm going to retreat now, except to say do you really need an initrd? Wouldn't it be neater to build all the appropriate modules into your kernel? |
| 14:11.15 | nSe | i'm with screen size problems: do anybody know the name of the x congif file where i can edit my situation? |
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| 14:11.34 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: so configure its net |
| 14:11.42 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ when i do netstat -n on workstation i get nothing. |
| 14:11.45 | Glanzmann | resiak: You don't have a clue what I am trying todo, do you? Or do you know a kernel-mode sshd? |
| 14:11.52 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: if its "just not on the net" -> get in on the net |
| 14:11.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 14:12.02 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ everything is configured but as i said it's not possible |
| 14:12.03 | Glanzmann | modprobe sshd |
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| 14:12.05 | Glanzmann | :-) |
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| 14:12.22 | Guerin | Glanzmann: the 99% rule does apply. |
| 14:12.22 | roberto | why does not "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" modify XFree86-4? |
| 14:12.27 | resiak | Glanzmann: Does the / filesystem _need_ to be encrypted? If you could just encrypt (say) /home, couldn't you then have that on a separate partition and let your system boot normally except with a noauto on /home's fstab entry, then you could just ssh in and mount it once it's booted? |
| 14:12.30 | Guerin | roberto: read the comments |
| 14:12.34 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ i can't i must have this connection sharing thing. can't be on net at the same time as server. i don't have hub, switch, router or whatever. just simple crossover. |
| 14:12.38 | hja123 | anyone familiar with mbmon and gkrellm? |
| 14:12.46 | Glanzmann | resiak: Of course it has to. |
| 14:12.48 | Guerin | root over nfs still requires initrd |
| 14:12.53 | roberto | Guerin, what comments? |
| 14:12.57 | resiak | Glanzmann: Okay, never mind then. |
| 14:12.59 | Glanzmann | Guerin: That is bullshit. |
| 14:13.06 | resiak | Glanzmann: You're right, I don't know exactly what you're trying to do here. |
| 14:13.08 | Glanzmann | Guerin: build everything in and say ip=dhcp |
| 14:13.13 | Glanzmann | Guerin: See FAI for example. |
| 14:13.15 | Guerin | roberto: the ones in the file in question, which explain in great detail why you're having this trouble |
| 14:13.19 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: ifconfig -a |
| 14:13.26 | Guerin | Glanzmann: oh, really |
| 14:13.27 | resiak | Glanzmann: But I'm just trying to make your life easier by making suggestions that come to mind. |
| 14:13.47 | resiak | Glanzmann: Alternatively, you could have a minimal system then chroot into your encrypted root after boot? |
| 14:13.53 | Glanzmann | Guerin: Yes, really. I have it running. And install 150 NFS clients via FAI. |
| 14:13.58 | nSe | i'm with screen size problems: do anybody know the name of the x congif file where i can edit my situation? |
| 14:14.08 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ yes what there? |
| 14:14.19 | Glanzmann | resiak: That is what I am trying to do. But using pivot root not chroot. |
| 14:14.29 | resiak | Glanzmann: It's going to be murderous with pivot root ;) |
| 14:14.29 | Guerin | Glanzmann: awright. |
| 14:14.40 | Glanzmann | nSe: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:14.43 | roberto | Guerin, thank you |
| 14:14.51 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: it tells you if you are "on the net" in any way, if you cant interpret it, /msg dpkg paste, or paste in flood |
| 14:14.52 | Glanzmann | resiak: I don't care. I want the best. |
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| 14:14.55 | nSe | Glanzmann: thanks |
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| 14:14.56 | stew | !drxx nSe |
| 14:14.57 | dpkg | nSe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 14:15.02 | hja123 | anyone familiar with mbmon and gkrellm? |
| 14:15.04 | resiak | Glanzmann: Fair enough. I'm only trying to help. |
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| 14:15.19 | Guerin | Glanzmann: when using make-kpkg, you can specify --initrd at build time |
| 14:15.22 | jcb | is there other monitor daemons like ntop? like webinterface and all |
| 14:15.34 | Guerin | then your kernel-image package does all the initrd shite for you |
| 14:15.39 | Glanzmann | resiak: Than tell me the name of the tool. Which copies a executable and all shared libs to a build_root directory. :-)) |
| 14:15.41 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: then try also mii-tool ( if you drvier supports it ) |
| 14:15.47 | Guerin | but you probably want to do it all yourself |
| 14:15.58 | resiak | Glanzmann: I haven't a clue, aside from saying mkinitrd :) |
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| 14:16.08 | Glanzmann | Guerin: I don't do make-kpkg and I still don't see how that solves my problem. |
| 14:16.13 | valdyn_ | hows the "new" mii-tool replacement called? i forgot.. |
| 14:16.32 | Guerin | Glanzmann: ok, you're clearly not after an initrd |
| 14:16.36 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ i have windows on workstation and debian here on server. the workstation is down coz itz has no internet connection because server doesn't share it. so ifconfig doesn't work anyway and there is no connection on workstation and it can't be no connection until the server will give it which is not giving it at the time. and that my problem. i hope you understandf what i mean |
| 14:16.56 | nSe | stew: i tried that many times, it does not work with me... i mean: i set 1024x786 for my screen size but kde do not give me the optiong of changing it from 800x600, do you have any idea? |
| 14:16.57 | Glanzmann | Guerin: I am after an initrd. But one which has gpg, sshd, ssh client, ipv6 and cryptsetup running. |
| 14:17.14 | Guerin | Glanzmann: in kernel space? |
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| 14:17.19 | Glanzmann | Guerin: Of course not. |
| 14:17.19 | stew | nSe: had you previously hand edited XF86Config-4? |
| 14:17.34 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: yes i do, but my hints are general as they are b/c your error description is not specific |
| 14:17.40 | Guerin | Glanzmann: no, that's what I misunderstood |
| 14:17.58 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: "ipconfig /all" is one diagnisis tool for windows |
| 14:17.59 | Glanzmann | ic. |
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| 14:18.05 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ i have no idea how else to explain the problem |
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| 14:18.13 | Guerin | nSe: never use kde's X config tools. Alays use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:18.21 | nSe | stew: yes i had, but i don't know how it works, i can say i was lucky... things just changed after a time! |
| 14:18.23 | doublehp | how do I produce a console beep under X ? |
| 14:18.30 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: run the tools i listed and paste the output somewhere ( /msg dpkg paste ) |
| 14:18.31 | resiak | Glanzmann: Seriously, I don't get why you can't just have a / with sshd and not much else... it would take a fraction longer to start, and then you're happy. |
| 14:18.36 | drac | doublehp: apt-get install beep :) |
| 14:18.40 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ well ipfocnfig says nothin new. just shows the things which i configured in network managing |
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| 14:19.06 | Glanzmann | resiak: Because that's bullshit. Suboptimal or call it whatever. |
| 14:19.12 | stew | nSe: if you edit it by hand dpkg-reconfigure won't overwrite it until you fix the md5sum, read the first few comments in that file and /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 14:19.24 | Glanzmann | Whatever. I have to get things working. |
| 14:19.36 | resiak | Glanzmann: It's also infinitely more maintainable when sshd needs to be upgraded. Each to his own, though. |
| 14:19.41 | nSe | stew: i'll do that, thanks |
| 14:19.46 | s-toned | is it possible to start X-programs with 'at' ? |
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| 14:19.59 | resiak | s-toned: Sure, if you set DISPLAY properly for them. |
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| 14:20.03 | Glanzmann | resiak: My sshd doesn't need upgrading. I allow sshing to my machine only via one single bounce host. |
| 14:20.06 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: so why dont you paste it somewhere? |
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| 14:20.21 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: if you just say "something is wrong, but everything is right" then no one can help you |
| 14:20.28 | schelm | hi, my evolution 2.0.4-1 dont show any icons in the menu, i am using enlightenment. any hints? |
| 14:20.30 | Glanzmann | And If I want maintainability why would I go for debian *ducks( |
| 14:20.38 | Glanzmann | Okay that wasn't fait. |
| 14:20.43 | helpmeplz | i just run bind, all zone files loaded without any problem, but ips are not resolving... any help? |
| 14:20.44 | Glanzmann | fair* |
| 14:20.46 | resiak | Glanzmann: That's _why_ I use Debian :) |
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| 14:20.48 | Guerin | Glanzmann: why wouldn't you, itym :) |
| 14:20.49 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ mii-tool : http://a-gfm.com/mii.txt |
| 14:21.10 | Lord-Phoenix | does anyone here know how the debian grub install works? |
| 14:21.16 | Glanzmann | Lord-Phoenix: It doesn't. |
| 14:21.21 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: which of both is your local net? |
| 14:21.30 | Guerin | Lord-Phoenix: grub-install /dev/hda # done |
| 14:21.30 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: eth0 or eth1 ? |
| 14:21.39 | Guerin | Lord-Phoenix: unless you want to be more specific... |
| 14:21.44 | s-toned | resiak: I run at from an xterm where DISPLAY=:0.0 as the logged-in user, but: qcad: cannot connect to X server |
| 14:21.45 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ eth1 |
| 14:21.46 | Glanzmann | Guerin: dream on. |
| 14:22.02 | Guerin | Glanzmann: WORKSFORME |
| 14:22.03 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: good, both are ok anywy , so you are "on the net", just failed to configure it |
| 14:22.06 | Guerin | oh |
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| 14:22.10 | Glanzmann | Guerin: ... |
| 14:22.11 | Guerin | update-grub too |
| 14:22.21 | resiak | s-toned: I dunno, then. |
| 14:22.26 | Lord-Phoenix | Guerin: the problem is that /dev/hda is a windows drive |
| 14:22.28 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: ipconfig /all on your linux and your windows box, paste it |
| 14:22.44 | Guerin | Lord-Phoenix: irrelevant. grub only needs the first 512 |
| 14:22.44 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: err, naturally ifconfig -a on linux |
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| 14:22.50 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ yes! that's the thing i'm trying to say. something is wrong configured (my guess is it's server-side). i just don't know how to solve the thing. |
| 14:22.57 | Glanzmann | Guerin: Sounds like grub is a fair player. |
| 14:22.58 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ ok, just a sec |
| 14:23.09 | Lord-Phoenix | Guerin: i'm trying to install grub to the MBR on a windows drive with an initial NTFS partition, it says "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device." |
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| 14:23.24 | Guerin | Lord-Phoenix: where is /boot? |
| 14:23.24 | Glanzmann | Lord-Phoenix: grub is kind a stuppid |
| 14:23.30 | Glanzmann | Lord-Phoenix: Do it manual. |
| 14:23.31 | Glanzmann | grub |
| 14:23.34 | Glanzmann | help setup |
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| 14:23.55 | Glanzmann | install (hd0,0)/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0,0)/grub/stage2 (hd0,1)/etc/grub.conf |
| 14:24.09 | mike_k | when I try to mount a zip disk /dev/hdd4 in /media/zip I get 'mount: special device /dev/hdd4 does not exist'. anyone know why? |
| 14:24.11 | Glanzmann | and exchange the path for stage1, stage2 and menu.lst (grub.conf) |
| 14:24.21 | Glanzmann | and do a help install |
| 14:24.21 | bjbL | !ops Type is sending join spam |
| 14:24.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Type is sending join spam |
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| 14:25.01 | Glanzmann | bjbL: Press F1 to complain. |
| 14:25.01 | nSe | i'm using gdm, how can i restart the x? |
| 14:25.11 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ http://a-gfm.com/ifconfig.txt |
| 14:25.14 | notty | the ubutuu deb's are compatible with debian ones ? if i install ubutuu and debian deb's on the same machine .. it wil coz |
| 14:25.15 | Guerin | nSe: ctrl+alt+bksp |
| 14:25.19 | stew | s-toned: create a one line script with a line: "DISPLAY=:0 cmdname" and run at -f /path/to/script time |
| 14:25.19 | Guerin | notty: no |
| 14:25.20 | notty | problems ? |
| 14:25.21 | Glanzmann | nSe: /etc/init.d/gdm restart (if you have time) |
| 14:25.27 | Guerin | notty: yes |
| 14:25.31 | Glanzmann | if you don't pkill -9 gdm ; /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 14:25.52 | notty | ok... i will wait fot debian to make xorg and kde 3.4... |
| 14:25.53 | Glanzmann | hrhr |
| 14:26.00 | Guerin | notty: heh |
| 14:26.18 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: ok i found the first error. Did you manually assign an IP adress/netmask etc to your windows box too? |
| 14:26.26 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ yes |
| 14:26.39 | biggi_mat | netmask is 255.255.255.0 |
| 14:26.41 | pzn | which gcc do you recomend for installing to regular users? 3.3 or 3.4? |
| 14:26.47 | Lord-Phoenix | Guerin: /boot is on /dev/hdb1 i don't have a separate /boot partition |
| 14:26.49 | Guerin | pzn: default |
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| 14:27.08 | Glanzmann | Lord-Phoenix: Run grub manually. |
| 14:27.11 | cart | Hi ppl, im trying use cvsd with PAM authentication, the only thing i did is configure the /etc/pam.d/cvs, is necessary do something on cvsd.conf? or the cvsd package isn't configure with --enable-pam? |
| 14:27.15 | Guerin | Lord-Phoenix: ok. And grub-install is complaining, or update-grub? |
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| 14:27.17 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: ok, what is wrong that you are using then network 192.168.0.0 for BOTH, eth0 and eth1 on your server, and BOTH additionally have the same IP (192.168.0.1 ), thats just wrong |
| 14:27.20 | ACiDC0re | re |
| 14:27.22 | pzn | Guerin, ok. gcc depends on gcc-3.3, so that is it! |
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| 14:27.31 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ hmm |
| 14:27.42 | biggi_mat | i will try to reconfigure something. can you wait here for about 5mins? |
| 14:27.44 | Lord-Phoenix | Guerin: grub-install |
| 14:27.55 | Guerin | Lord-Phoenix: because once booted into your debian system, grub should sort it out on its own. |
| 14:27.57 | biggi_mat | if maybe wont work.. |
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| 14:28.08 | Raf256 | I want my program to look for needed .so librarires in current directory |
| 14:28.09 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: give your server and your client an adress in 192.168.1.X |
| 14:28.10 | Raf256 | how can I do it? |
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| 14:28.18 | Guerin | Lord-Phoenix: try manual then, like the man said |
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| 14:29.00 | valdyn_ | biggi_mat: your server will send replys to your client over eth0, that sure doesnt arrive.. |
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| 14:29.27 | s-toned | stew: GREAT, that works, thanks |
| 14:29.38 | Raf256 | !smite the ones that didnt ask raf256's question |
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| 14:29.47 | Raf256 | s/ask/answared |
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| 14:30.17 | resiak | Raf256: If you ask in one line, rather than splitting up your question, you might have better luck. |
| 14:30.21 | Guerin | Raf256: as always, you're trying to run before you can walk |
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| 14:30.28 | Guerin | or even crawl |
| 14:30.37 | Raf256 | Guerin: but I do play crawl (; |
| 14:30.44 | Guerin | hell, you're barely even rolling around on the floor, drooling |
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| 14:31.03 | acix | &join #debian.de |
| 14:31.23 | acix | fuck g |
| 14:31.24 | Raenius_ | I updated a package using the programs update utility, now it keeps coming up with errors when I use apt-get how do I make it so apt-get ignores that package? |
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| 14:31.46 | Guerin | Raf256: you don't |
| 14:31.49 | Guerin | eh |
| 14:31.50 | Shorty_ | hi guys, anyone here know what X module the permedia2 cards use? |
| 14:31.52 | Raf256 | ok 1liner.. How can I run an executable ./foobar that it will look for missing .so shared librarires in current directory? |
| 14:31.57 | Guerin | Raenius_: you don't |
| 14:32.21 | biggi_mat | valdyn_ thank you for your help! |
| 14:32.39 | Guerin | Raenius_: don't use auto-updaters; use debian packages |
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| 14:33.02 | Guerin | Raf256: add the dir in question to your ld path? |
| 14:33.25 | Raenius_ | Guerin: Ok :( |
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| 14:34.24 | Guerin | Raenius_: IF you're feeling like a hard bastard, you can use equivs to make a dummy package |
| 14:34.49 | Guerin | Raenius_: but it's wiser in 99% of all cases to just use debian packages - even if you build them yourself |
| 14:35.29 | Raenius_ | guering: ok, Am i able to force apt-get to install it's version after I remove the other? |
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| 14:37.22 | Guerin | Raenius_: once you have a package that provides: the correct version of the thing you want, you can do what you like |
| 14:37.34 | dataw0lf|w | I'm having problems starting an X app as non root remotely: |
| 14:37.36 | dataw0lf|w | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 14:37.36 | dataw0lf|w | X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 14:37.36 | Guerin | Raenius_: bear in mind that you have to know what you're doing, etc. |
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| 14:37.38 | dataw0lf|w | Any ideas? |
| 14:37.44 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 14:37.44 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and 42 rabid goats. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 14:37.51 | Guerin | baaaaaaah |
| 14:37.59 | Guerin | </goats> |
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| 14:38.14 | simonrvn | beeeeeeh |
| 14:38.36 | dataw0lf|w | $DISPLAY is being set by sshd, so it's fine. |
| 14:38.46 | Guerin | simonrvn: more accurate |
| 14:38.49 | dataw0lf|w | I created an .Xauthority with mkxauth for the user. |
| 14:39.08 | Guerin | dataw0lf|w: install xbase-clients on both client and server |
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| 14:39.19 | simonrvn | baaaah is more sheep ;p |
| 14:39.27 | Raf256 | Guerin: How can I tell my program ./foobar to look for needed .so shared libraries in ~/so/ or in ./ or in ./libs/ ? |
| 14:39.35 | resiak | Raf256: Set your ld path, as he said# |
| 14:39.39 | dataw0lf|w | Guerin: it works remotely as root. |
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| 14:40.08 | Raf256 | how to setup this path? |
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| 14:40.17 | Guerin | Raf256: first you must master the fine art of "reading" |
| 14:40.22 | Jacobo221 | someone with wifi on your linx box? i need to buy a wifi card and I feel *scared*... |
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| 14:40.35 | Raf256 | Guerin: damn :( |
| 14:40.41 | Guerin | Raf256: I believe man ld would be the place to start |
| 14:41.01 | Guerin | Jacobo221: I know. I haven't bought one for the same reason. |
| 14:41.07 | chr1s | hey, I'm trying to net-install debian, but my network card isn't supported. I've downloaded a compiled driver, but how can I load it after installing? Is it possible to put it on a floppy and do an insmod? |
| 14:41.11 | Guerin | dataw0lf|w: permissions |
| 14:41.17 | dataw0lf|w | Jacobo221: yeah, i have wifi on my home box. |
| 14:41.22 | dataw0lf|w | Guerin: it's not a permissions problem. |
| 14:41.30 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: sadly, i MUST get one now :-( or i'm loosing my internet connection. since the router is going wifi |
| 14:41.30 | Guerin | dataw0lf|w: xauth, which is part of xbase-clients, might solve this |
| 14:41.32 | dataw0lf|w | and quotas are fine (so .Xauthority can be written to) |
| 14:41.39 | dataw0lf|w | Guerin: xbase-clients is installed. |
| 14:41.40 | Jacobo221 | dataw0lf: no problems at all with wifi? |
| 14:41.43 | Guerin | right |
| 14:41.47 | dataw0lf|w | Jacobo221: no. |
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| 14:41.57 | simonrvn | "losing" |
| 14:42.25 | Jacobo221 | dataw0lf|w: damn, i feel like the very card i will but will be tho non-linux one hehe. it happened to me already with my webcam :P |
| 14:42.28 | resiak | simonrvn: The tide is unstoppable. |
| 14:42.37 | simonrvn | loosing my internet: "i'm unleashing my internet onto the rest of the world, bwhahaha!" |
| 14:42.39 | Guerin | damn, I didn't even notice that loosing |
| 14:42.43 | jetx | if there's any teachers of english in some other country whose nick starts with G, do you use the debian-edu stuff? |
| 14:42.49 | jetx | who's |
| 14:42.55 | Guerin | heh |
| 14:42.55 | Jacobo221 | dataw0lf|w: do you know if tehre is any specific protocol versin or whatever which isn't supported? any back stuff which i should look at before buying a wifi card? |
| 14:42.56 | dataw0lf|w | Jacobo221: so why don't you google on 'compatible linux wireless cards' |
| 14:42.58 | resiak | jetx: No, whose. |
| 14:43.04 | Guerin | I don't teach in a country starting with G |
| 14:43.10 | resiak | Countries have nicks? |
| 14:43.13 | jetx | aha |
| 14:43.15 | dataw0lf|w | Jacobo221: most everything is supported. Even Leap. |
| 14:43.20 | jetx | yeah... us, gb... |
| 14:43.23 | Guerin | unless you use the old name, Goryeo |
| 14:43.30 | Jacobo221 | dataw0lf|w: because i might get real shitty info googling. firms always say their stuff is world-compatible |
| 14:43.42 | dataw0lf|w | Jacobo221: if you don't have native modules for your card, chances are ndiswrappers will work with it. But I suggest a google. |
| 14:43.44 | resiak | Jacobo221: ipw2200 (the new Intel chipset) works but needs non-free firmware, so you can't netinst with it.] |
| 14:43.53 | Guerin | no, I don't use any computer resources worth the name in my job |
| 14:43.54 | jetx | but do you use the debian educators programs, do you find them useful Guerin |
| 14:43.59 | resiak | Jacobo221: At this point, I yield the floor to WiFiTux. |
| 14:44.00 | Raf256 | Guerin: hmm ld... I want to set the .so path at run-time, not at compilation-time |
| 14:44.04 | dataw0lf|w | Jacobo221: anything with a Prism chip is basically guaranteed to work. |
| 14:44.04 | jetx | just curious |
| 14:44.09 | jetx | ah |
| 14:44.14 | dataw0lf|w | So anyone have any clue about that remote X problem? |
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| 14:44.27 | Jacobo221 | dataw0lf|w: Prism chip. fine. i'll take a look at that then |
| 14:44.29 | simonrvn | @cluebat x |
| 14:44.31 | nevyn | what's happening? |
| 14:44.33 | Jacobo221 | dataw0lf|w: what's your prob with X? |
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| 14:44.48 | dataw0lf|w | <dataw0lf|w> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 14:44.48 | dataw0lf|w | <dataw0lf|w> X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 14:44.54 | Guerin | jetx: never used them. What I teach is extremely prescriptive; all computers in this country run windows (mostly 98se), in korean, and anything more complicated than inserting a floppy disk involves calling in a technician |
| 14:44.54 | jetx | it's not xxx |
| 14:45.09 | Jacobo221 | dataw0lf|w: from console or from X? |
| 14:45.10 | dataw0lf|w | $DISPLAY is fine, quota on user home dir is fine, it's not a permissions problem. |
| 14:45.10 | nevyn | dataw0lf|w: did you ssh -X |
| 14:45.12 | abrotman | Jacobo221: madwifi.sf.net and prism54.org |
| 14:45.18 | Jacobo221 | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 14:45.20 | dataw0lf|w | nevyn: yeah, I ssh -x'ed. |
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| 14:45.28 | dataw0lf|w | Jacobo221: from console. |
| 14:45.30 | nevyn | dataw0lf|w: dataw0lf|w what does your ssh log say? |
| 14:45.31 | jetx | sex! |
| 14:45.34 | simonrvn | -X. case dude, case |
| 14:45.34 | dataw0lf|w | Booting nvgui, a backup utility. |
| 14:45.43 | dataw0lf|w | nevyn: one sec. |
| 14:45.50 | nevyn | dataw0lf|w: -X not -x |
| 14:45.57 | nevyn | simonrvn is right the case matters. |
| 14:45.58 | abrotman | Jacobo221: also .. #wireless |
| 14:46.03 | stew | if he used -x instead of -X then DISPLAY whouldn't have been set |
| 14:46.07 | jetx | you'd think they'd be all over linux |
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| 14:46.16 | dataw0lf|w | stew: I used -X |
| 14:46.20 | dataw0lf|w | sorry, typo. |
| 14:46.23 | dataw0lf|w | no ssh errors. |
| 14:46.34 | dataw0lf|w | and no .xsession-errors besides the obvious. |
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| 14:46.37 | plagerism | If a kernel module is in use by some process(ERROR: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use). How can I find out what it is inuse by?? |
| 14:46.40 | Shorty_ | oi |
| 14:46.43 | resiak | plagerism: lspci |
| 14:46.56 | nevyn | do you have xauth on the host where you're attemptin to run the x client? |
| 14:46.57 | simonrvn | plagerism: lsmod | less; lspci |
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| 14:47.07 | Shorty_ | what's the alternative X server to Xfree86 again? |
| 14:47.08 | Guerin | jetx: they would be, if it supported flash, java, starcraft, gay little bonzi-buddy applets, badly-formed javascript, cellphone usb interfaces, and was preloaded on mass-produced PCs |
| 14:47.13 | Shorty_ | having issues with my glint card |
| 14:47.17 | nevyn | Shorty_: Xorg ? |
| 14:47.18 | dataw0lf|w | x.org? |
| 14:47.22 | Guerin | jetx: you think I'm kidding |
| 14:47.23 | nevyn | Shorty_: kdrive/tinyx |
| 14:47.25 | resiak | plagerism: Sorry, lsmod. I suck. |
| 14:47.26 | Guerin | but I'm dead serious |
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| 14:47.35 | nevyn | Shorty_: metroX |
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| 14:47.49 | Shorty_ | that's it.. xorg |
| 14:47.53 | simonrvn | Guerin: nah you,re live serious |
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| 14:47.54 | Shorty_ | there debian packages for that in unstable yet? |
| 14:47.56 | plagerism | resiak simonrvn, I know that much, except it doesnt have any other modules listed beside it |
| 14:48.00 | nevyn | Shorty_: no. |
| 14:48.07 | nevyn | Shorty_: won't be until sarge ships. |
| 14:48.08 | Jacobo221 | Shorty_: no. not before sarge release |
| 14:48.10 | plagerism | resiak simonrvn I mean as far as processes |
| 14:48.12 | Shorty_ | damn :/ |
| 14:48.15 | nevyn | it's a real pita |
| 14:48.16 | Shorty_ | oh well... |
| 14:48.22 | Shorty_ | I'm trying to get a glint card working |
| 14:48.27 | Shorty_ | I don't seem to be getting far.. |
| 14:48.28 | Jacobo221 | Shorty_: ask dpkg for xorg |
| 14:48.37 | nevyn | I don't actually care about sarge releasing other than it's holding up a bunch of crap in sid. |
| 14:48.37 | resiak | plagerism: Not a clue. Sorry. |
| 14:48.47 | simonrvn | plagerism: then some h/w is using it |
| 14:48.50 | Guerin | my wife just bought a damn korean phone with a camera in it |
| 14:48.54 | nevyn | xorg kde34 |
| 14:49.10 | Guerin | she can take photos all she likes, but damned if the phone is supported in free software |
| 14:49.19 | simonrvn | or some virtual thing, and has a hard time letting go due to resentment issues |
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| 14:49.41 | Guerin | even requires a proprietary app in windows, and EVEN IN WINDOWS she can't get it to work properly |
| 14:50.04 | simonrvn | @cell phones-- |
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| 14:50.08 | resiak | Guerin: That sucks. |
| 14:50.39 | Guerin | resiak: she's convinced that if here work machine, with widows on, was in english she'd manage - she's pretty technical - but I'm not so sure |
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| 14:50.58 | Guerin | she's almost conned me into installing windows in qemu or something so she can try her luck |
| 14:51.04 | simonrvn | i doubt it. just a POC |
| 14:51.11 | Guerin | but I don't have a copy of any windows os |
| 14:51.14 | simonrvn | the phone i mean |
| 14:51.17 | resiak | Guerin: Want an iso? |
| 14:51.24 | Guerin | so I guess we're out of luck unless I steal one |
| 14:51.24 | resiak | Guerin: I don't use it, so it's actually probably legal.. |
| 14:51.30 | difeta | hey all! gnome keeps hanging when it starts up. Google's solutions are not helping, any ideas? |
| 14:51.30 | Guerin | resiak: heh |
| 14:51.47 | Guerin | simonrvn: POC? |
| 14:51.50 | simonrvn | difeta: handing on what, a nail? |
| 14:51.54 | simonrvn | piece of crap |
| 14:51.55 | Guerin | oh |
| 14:51.57 | Guerin | like POS |
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| 14:52.01 | resiak | Guerin: I'm entirely serious. |
| 14:52.03 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 14:52.04 | Guerin | yeh, I figure so too |
| 14:52.09 | abrotman | difeta: move your ~/.gnome and/or ~/.gnome2 .. see if it works better |
| 14:52.14 | Guerin | it IS a shitty phone |
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| 14:52.37 | Guerin | resiak: yeah, maybe if she bothers me more about it |
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| 14:52.48 | Guerin | i don't GAF, frankly |
| 14:52.51 | resiak | Guerin: I'll make an ISO now. |
| 14:52.53 | simonrvn | i'm not getting any eating done this way... |
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| 14:53.07 | jetx | Guerin: nah i believe you |
| 14:53.09 | Guerin | simonrvn: i had italian tonight, in korea! |
| 14:53.15 | resiak | Guerin: Oh bollocks, the CD is not in this house. I'll have it on Monday. |
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| 14:53.38 | Guerin | actual proper italian, served by a guy who has clearly actually been outside korea |
| 14:53.44 | Guerin | resiak: no great rush |
| 14:53.50 | Shorty_ | so anyone ever used permedia2 cards before? |
| 14:53.53 | resiak | Guerin: k. |
| 14:54.02 | difeta | abrotman well it appears that worked, cant belive i didnt already try that.. thanks |
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| 14:54.10 | jetx | damn i need to start backing shit up to my webserver |
| 14:54.19 | resiak | jetx: s/to my webserver//. |
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| 14:54.23 | sanxiyn | It seems p.d.o is down again. |
| 14:54.39 | Guerin | sanxiyn: it does |
| 14:54.46 | jetx | resiak: i have w2k & w98 tarred up |
| 14:54.48 | crogue5 | anyone have a link to help me setup my box as a router in debian. I have been somewhat successful with the docs on debian.org, but i can't figure out the routing. the router box can talk to both networks, but i can't get the networks to talk through the router box .. any ideas would be great |
| 14:54.55 | jetx | and the reinstall functions |
| 14:55.04 | streuner_ | crogue5: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 14:55.14 | resiak | jetx: Speak to Guerin not me. |
| 14:55.22 | Guerin | sanxiyn: you just missed my rant about how one cannot get one's photos off a korean cellphone in anything but the korean windows-only client app |
| 14:55.22 | valdyn_ | crogue5: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 14:55.32 | jetx | resiak: no i mean backed up, my installs, not the cd's |
| 14:55.40 | resiak | jetx: Oh, okay. |
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| 14:55.49 | _ReDRuM_ | ok... yesterday i installed a debian-based OS on my desktop and already i want to replace whats on my server with debian :) i'd like to do this remotely while online (something i've done before with other distros) and i was wondering if there's a good howto page for bootstrapping debian? |
| 14:55.56 | sanxiyn | Guerin: So true. |
| 14:56.07 | jetx | i've only got 6G on the server though :/ |
| 14:56.07 | resiak | !debian-based |
| 14:56.07 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 14:56.09 | Guerin | sanxiyn: no way around it? Tried wine or qemu, etc? |
| 14:56.27 | resiak | !tell _ReDRuM_ -about debootstrap |
| 14:56.28 | sanxiyn | Guerin: http://bitpim.org/ allows acess to some LG phones. |
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| 14:56.32 | _ReDRuM_ | thanks |
| 14:56.39 | sanxiyn | (Very well reverse engineered, actually more feature complete than official client) |
| 14:56.42 | jetx | !di _ReDRuM_: |
| 14:56.50 | jetx | gah |
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| 14:57.06 | jetx | !di |
| 14:57.07 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 14:57.12 | Guerin | sanxiyn: awesome, I'll check it out. Thanks :) |
| 14:57.14 | sanxiyn | !d-i |
| 14:57.14 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 14:57.43 | sanxiyn | Guerin: BitPim is written in Python, and... very big. |
| 14:57.58 | jetx | i'm gay, i like ms access :p |
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| 14:58.16 | jetx | i do... |
| 14:58.23 | sanxiyn | Well, it certainly qualifies as one of "big Python software". |
| 14:58.40 | Guerin | sanxiyn: are you involved in it? (knowing how fond you are of python) |
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| 14:58.49 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:58.56 | crogue5 | hmm, going to reboot |
| 14:58.57 | sanxiyn | Guerin: No, not really. |
| 14:59.01 | dhuv | is anyone having problems getting to http://packages.debian.org |
| 14:59.07 | Guerin | dhuv: everyone is |
| 14:59.10 | sanxiyn | dhuv: Yes, it's down. |
| 14:59.11 | dhuv | cool |
| 14:59.12 | dhuv | ok |
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| 14:59.13 | dhuv | thanks |
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| 14:59.24 | streuner_ | dhuv: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:59.32 | simonrvn | Guerin: nummies :) |
| 14:59.53 | AcidChild | heya how do i stop apache gkrellmd etc starting at start up? |
| 14:59.59 | dhuv | well i wanted to find out which package has libcamel.so.0 |
| 15:00.04 | AcidChild | i have checked /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 15:00.14 | AcidChild | yum chilli |
| 15:00.27 | simonrvn | dhuv: evolution |
| 15:00.31 | Guerin | AcidChild: rcconf; sysv-config; sysv-rc-conf |
| 15:00.43 | dhuv | i just updated a little while go and it didn thave it |
| 15:00.48 | dhuv | perhaps i should reload |
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| 15:01.12 | _ReDRuM_ | anyone else having trouble connecting to packages.debian.org ? |
| 15:01.16 | notty | if i have an apache server can i make it so someone from the internet can download a file from an apache server that is in the LAN and has no network access ? |
| 15:01.27 | sanxiyn | _ReDRuM_: Everybody does. |
| 15:01.35 | _ReDRuM_ | heh. |
| 15:01.36 | resiak | notty: You mean use it as it was intended? |
| 15:01.58 | dhuv | notty: if the computer has no network access, how is it in the LAN? |
| 15:02.09 | Guerin | that's a good question, right there |
| 15:02.11 | notty | no internet access sorry |
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| 15:02.29 | Guerin | no internet access == no access from machines on the internet |
| 15:02.34 | SEcki | use nat/port forwarding on router |
| 15:02.35 | Guerin | correct me if I'm mistaken, here |
| 15:02.36 | stew | notty: are you possibly talking about NAT? |
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| 15:02.42 | notty | no |
| 15:02.46 | notty | i am now using nat for that |
| 15:02.54 | AcidChild | that dont work Guerin |
| 15:02.56 | notty | i was wondering if it was posible thorow apache |
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| 15:03.24 | simonrvn | apache doesn't do routing |
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| 15:03.37 | SEcki | notty: why woould tghis be useuf? |
| 15:03.40 | Guerin | AcidChild: you lie |
| 15:03.41 | SEcki | useful |
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| 15:04.03 | AcidChild | as root i do them commands right? |
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| 15:04.30 | AcidChild | well the commands dont evan excist on my system none of them |
| 15:04.34 | AcidChild | LOL |
| 15:04.35 | jetx | !wtg root |
| 15:04.36 | dpkg | Way to go, root! Righteous! |
| 15:04.37 | Guerin | !installit |
| 15:04.37 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 15:04.39 | notty | SEcki: i have a big network (1000 computers) and i want to retrive stuff from there.. now i am using nat for that... but i have to use anotehr port.. so i wondering if i can do that with aapche |
| 15:04.58 | AcidChild | i see |
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| 15:05.16 | notty | so the answer is no.... |
| 15:05.27 | stew | notty: you want apache to listen to more than one port? |
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| 15:05.56 | SEcki | maybe he wants: having virtual hosts and redirecting some of them to the inner lan |
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| 15:06.01 | notty | no... take a look at what i said |
| 15:06.09 | petemc | stew: a machine with no network access... |
| 15:06.16 | notty | SEcki: where can i reed about that ? |
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| 15:06.25 | simonrvn | intranet access only vhosts i suppose |
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| 15:06.36 | petemc | what use apache is with no network access i dont know |
| 15:06.36 | dhuv | i am looking at the installed files in the package evolution and libcamel is no where to be found |
| 15:06.39 | simonrvn | 'read' |
| 15:06.40 | SEcki | I don't know - is an #apache on freenode? |
| 15:06.53 | simonrvn | petemc: beats me with a broom handle |
| 15:06.54 | stew | notty: apache's inward proxying maybe |
| 15:06.56 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: ? |
| 15:07.02 | streuner_ | of course, SEcki |
| 15:07.02 | Scrape | Anyone have a relatively quick and dirty way to get passwords for an encrypted partition at boot time from a USB stick? |
| 15:07.06 | Guerin | it ounds like a cahce job to me |
| 15:07.10 | Guerin | cache, even |
| 15:07.12 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: ? |
| 15:07.22 | SEcki | streuner_: then notty mnight have more chances there ... |
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| 15:07.33 | jack_ | is there an alternative to packages.debian.org ? |
| 15:07.34 | stew | notty: look at mod_proxy |
| 15:07.40 | notty | ok |
| 15:07.46 | streuner_ | jack_: /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:07.47 | notty | i am looking now |
| 15:07.56 | v2_sampo | is there an elegant way (like make-kpkg) to build a custom version of alsa drivers for the debian stock 2.6.11 kernel? |
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| 15:08.02 | grigora | I have the following line in my /etc/sudoers: apache localhost = NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/iptables_block.sh. but for some reason when I try to execute that script as the apache user, I still get prompted for a password, am I doing something wrong? |
| 15:08.12 | Guerin | awright |
| 15:08.21 | Guerin | bedtime, it's been lovely |
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| 15:08.25 | simonrvn | jack_: yeh, whatever you have in apt-file cache, or dpkg's store, otherwise SOL, or ask someone (or the bots here) |
| 15:08.28 | Guerin | going ice skating tomorrow, wish me luck |
| 15:08.37 | resiak | !good luck Guerin |
| 15:08.39 | resiak | :( |
| 15:08.41 | simonrvn | Guerin: break a leg |
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| 15:08.53 | Guerin | simonrvn: spoken like a true canadian |
| 15:08.56 | simonrvn | (they say that in skating too IIRC) |
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| 15:09.09 | simonrvn | heh |
| 15:09.11 | Guerin | we were trying to find some canadians to take with us, as, like, coaches |
| 15:09.19 | simonrvn | ha! |
| 15:09.20 | Guerin | but none of them want to come |
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| 15:09.29 | stew | !bless Guerin |
| 15:09.30 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Guerin, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 15:09.36 | Guerin | bastards, leaving us poor antipodeans to the tender mercies of ice |
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| 15:09.42 | tarzeau | how would i most easily get a line of all packages from a person at www.debian.org/devel/people ? |
| 15:09.46 | streuner_ | Guerin, simonrvn: In german its called 'Hals und Beinbruch' usually pilots use it :-) |
| 15:09.51 | estel | i've upgraded kde using apt-get (i'm using testing), but kde does no longer start |
| 15:09.51 | simonrvn | gaurd your coccyx well |
| 15:10.02 | simonrvn | guard* |
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| 15:10.56 | Guerin | streuner_: heh, in english it's typically used in acting/perfromance |
| 15:11.03 | Guerin | I can see why flying is similar |
| 15:11.15 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Try http://qa.debian.org/developer.php ? |
| 15:11.19 | Guerin | simonrvn: i will make certain of it |
| 15:11.21 | simonrvn | keeps your knees bent when propelling yourself, and don't get all stiff kneed otherwise *PLOP* on your face or butt |
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| 15:11.58 | Guerin | simonrvn: ok, roger. Intend to drink after, not before. |
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| 15:12.13 | simonrvn | yes! |
| 15:12.27 | netman1 | Is packages.debian.org down or is dns not updated yet in my part of the net since it "moved to another machine" ? (ip-address I get is 128.101.80.133) |
| 15:12.30 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: i will want a list developer ; package1 package2 ... newline next developer .... of all .. |
| 15:12.40 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: using your method would do like 1500 http requests... |
| 15:12.47 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Oops, okay. |
| 15:12.50 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: i do have the info, but the html sucks |
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| 15:13.12 | simonrvn | @sucky html-- |
| 15:13.14 | ravenbird | Sucky Sucky, html--! 5 dorrah! |
| 15:13.27 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 15:13.35 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: but if you knew, i will do like 15000 http requests for some stats... |
| 15:13.57 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Parse APT cache. |
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| 15:14.12 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: sexy idea |
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| 15:14.31 | simonrvn | @factinfo cmd: sucky (.*?) |
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| 15:14.33 | ravenbird | CMD: sucky (.*?) -- created by sussudio <Suss@d5113260.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Mon Dec 30 13:14:25 2002 (830 days); it has been requested 10 times, last by sussudio at Sun Jan 12 17:37:30 2003. |
| 15:14.42 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 15:14.50 | simonrvn | i think that's borked |
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| 15:16.01 | simonrvn | connectiva + mandraksoft = http://www.mandriva.com/ o_O |
| 15:16.09 | simonrvn | +e |
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| 15:17.07 | Dforge | Hello - Does a boot cd exist for debian with fakeraid support? |
| 15:17.26 | mythsmith | hi! when I launch a program (lufsmou nt) it stops saying it must be "installed suid root". How can I install a program suid root? |
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| 15:17.38 | simonrvn | Dforge: jigdo a sarge? |
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| 15:18.01 | netman1 | mythsmith: chmod +s filename |
| 15:18.13 | simonrvn | mythsmith: zcat /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian* | less |
| 15:18.24 | Dforge | I'm attempting to install onto a SATA Mirrored drive set that need the fakeraid driver |
| 15:18.27 | doublehp | how to tell rsync to backup also hidden files ? |
| 15:18.48 | hexxeh|work | Dforge, which version of debian? |
| 15:18.55 | Dforge | Sarge would be fine with me. |
| 15:19.16 | hexxeh|work | Dforge, which SATA controller? |
| 15:19.16 | nSe | hmm, kopete 10 is released, but apt-get update and apt-get upgrade do not upgraded it, what's wrong? |
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| 15:19.50 | Dforge | Intel ICH |
| 15:19.55 | FarrisG | I have a machine running dhcpd, and it's setup to give fixed addresses to three MAC addresses. Two of them work, and get their correct IP all of the time. One of them doesn't, and just gets an IP from the pool. Any idea what I might have missed on that third one? |
| 15:19.56 | petemc | nSe: apt-cache policy kopete |
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| 15:20.17 | FarrisG | nSe: Released doesn't mean "in debian" :) |
| 15:20.18 | netman1 | FarrisG: typo? |
| 15:20.20 | asuffield | FarrisG: wrong mac address |
| 15:20.25 | Dforge | ICH5R |
| 15:20.30 | simonrvn | missing host stanza? wrong mac addie? |
| 15:20.36 | petemc | FarrisG: check syslog, i have a similar setup, except its hundreds of addresses, works fine |
| 15:20.53 | FarrisG | syslog on the client or the server? |
| 15:20.57 | petemc | server |
| 15:20.59 | hexxeh|work | Dforge, ICH5 SATA is supported on sarge's 2.6 kernel install. what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 15:21.11 | petemc | FarrisG: you'll see the broadcasts, with the mac |
| 15:21.13 | asuffield | syslog on the server will list every dhcp request, including the mac address used. bet it doesn't match the one in the config file |
| 15:21.18 | Dforge | I'm trying to install onto a Mirrored drive set |
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| 15:21.50 | mythsmith | simonrvn, thanks!! |
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| 15:23.02 | guadalinex | wenas |
| 15:23.18 | FarrisG | syslog says 00:0c:f1:e9:08:1e, dhcpd.conf says 00:0C:F1:E9:08:1E |
| 15:23.18 | guadalinex | soy juancaaaaaaaa |
| 15:23.25 | FarrisG | And I know the case doesn't matter |
| 15:23.34 | petemc | FarrisG: cut and paste from syslog to the dhcpd conf file |
| 15:23.38 | toad_ | anyone suggest a good timesheets app? KArm is really pathetic.. i need to be able to store individual sessions, and edit their start/end time if needed due to problems |
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| 15:23.45 | FarrisG | petemc: Those were direct cuts and pastes |
| 15:23.45 | hexxeh|work | Dforge, that's a windowsish mirrored set, rather than the linux mdadm way of doing things? |
| 15:24.05 | toad_ | at the moment i use a text file :( |
| 15:24.27 | Dforge | I believe so, but I was under the impression that fakeraid support would work. This is a dual boot machine. |
| 15:24.28 | nSe | petemc, FarrisG: so what can i do in order to upgrade it? |
| 15:24.46 | petemc | nSe: if it isnt packages, other than package it yourself, nothing |
| 15:25.32 | petemc | packaged |
| 15:25.35 | netman1 | FarrisG: Does the order in dhcpd.conf make any difference? |
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| 15:26.50 | WiFiTux | jethro: from reading the files cygwin downloads, you can even use X with xorg?! Is this really that advanced? last time I installed it, it didn't even had GUI, or did it? |
| 15:26.58 | FarrisG | netman1: I don't believe so |
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| 15:27.14 | WiFiTux | hhmm |
| 15:27.17 | dataw0lf|w | word, got that X problem fixed. |
| 15:27.24 | jethro | WiFiTux: how am *I* supposed to know if cygwin provided X last time *you* installed it? |
| 15:27.50 | Dforge | any suggestion on that hexxeh? |
| 15:27.50 | netman1 | FarrisG: At least try, what you got to loose? |
| 15:27.50 | nSe | petemc: is there any problem in downloading the .rpm, converting it to .deb with alien and installing it? |
| 15:27.56 | petemc | nSe: probably |
| 15:28.02 | WiFiTux | jethro: maybe it whas always supported it? So, it does support X? do I need any really specific config? |
| 15:28.08 | jethro | WiFiTux: cygwin/xfree has been around for a while |
| 15:28.19 | jethro | WiFiTux: how bout you rtfm a bit? |
| 15:28.22 | netman1 | FarrisG: don't forget to reload dhcpd |
| 15:28.40 | WiFiTux | jethro: I have been googling but I thought I could ask. |
| 15:28.44 | FarrisG | Here's an idea: It has completely slipped my mind, where does dhcpd get the IP address to give the host if you want to specify a fixed one? I know I set it up, and it's not in the server's /etc/hosts |
| 15:28.47 | jethro | !lose WiFiTux |
| 15:28.48 | dpkg | WiFiTux: You Lose. |
| 15:28.52 | jethro | you're not in the appropriate channel |
| 15:29.16 | hexxeh|work | Dforge, fakeraid is a generic term for driver-based raid solutions, which are always provided as binary-only (if at all) by the manufacturer. highpoint, for example, provide fakeraid modules for a very limited number of 2.4 kernel versions in redhat and turbolinux. i see no evidence that intel even make a fakeraid module for ich5r, presuming that linux users will use mdadm. i can't suggest any magical quick fix |
| 15:29.25 | petemc | FarrisG: fixed-address 10.0.19.103; |
| 15:29.26 | netman1 | FarrisG: /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf (at least on my system) |
| 15:29.30 | petemc | yes |
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| 15:29.33 | WiFiTux | !fuck jethro |
| 15:29.37 | nSe | petemc: i'm a new linux user so very probably there will be problems. you're meaning i have to wait it with the older version until the new version is in debian? |
| 15:29.55 | petemc | nSe: pretty much |
| 15:30.06 | petemc | FarrisG: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/adddhcp.pl.txt is a script i use to automate the process |
| 15:30.07 | sml | petemc: hey. made all those changes from that oracle reference you gave me (kernel hacks for shared mem , amoungst other things) made sure that oracles SGA can sit in one segment of shared memory and upped the ops on the semaphores. changed some database parameters too, but to no avail. we are now going to buy Redhat Enterprise ES 4, since oracle say they only support that and SuSe. basically RH ASE will include all the OS fixes and kernel hacks required to mak |
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| 15:30.25 | yelp | ok i have problem |
| 15:30.29 | WiFiTux | jethro: you could share your knowledge, but I guess you have non. |
| 15:30.32 | petemc | sml: yeah, i run oracle on solaris |
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| 15:30.37 | yelp | im using bittornado, and when i deleted the file |
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| 15:30.45 | yelp | my hdd space still is buggy |
| 15:30.47 | sml | petemc: you know.. I'd *rather* run on Solaris that DeadRat. |
| 15:30.55 | jethro | WiFiTux: you have just been /ignore'd for your pointless comments |
| 15:30.55 | petemc | i dunno :) |
| 15:31.02 | yelp | anyway, i lost free space... |
| 15:31.04 | Zaca | Web Reseller and Hosting Ads http://www.resellerads.com |
| 15:31.05 | Dforge | hexxeh: Okay, that's a bit frustrating, but I'll just ignore raid for now |
| 15:31.08 | Dforge | thanks |
| 15:31.09 | Dforge | exit |
| 15:31.11 | nSe | petemc: where can i realize how much time does that stuff take to happen? |
| 15:31.15 | yelp | 2.9GB hdd, 1.2GB in use, 1.6GB avail |
| 15:31.16 | sml | petemc: well our clients run oracle on Solaris and it runs fine on their system. |
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| 15:31.17 | petemc | sml: to be fair, it does just run and run, which is good cuz i dont like having to do too much in slowaris |
| 15:31.19 | yelp | where is my free space gone? |
| 15:31.26 | simonrvn | @ops spammer Zaca quit (sadf@81.213.67.190) |
| 15:31.27 | yelp | it happened after i used bittornado to download movie |
| 15:31.27 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: spammer Zaca quit (sadf@81.213.67.190) |
| 15:31.30 | yelp | someone help? |
| 15:31.33 | Refu | hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 15:31.39 | Refu | wath?? |
| 15:31.45 | Refu | comous?? |
| 15:31.53 | Refu | holaus |
| 15:31.55 | sml | petemc: well our problem is not that it runs or isnt stable but that we replaced an old NT 4 machine with a dual pIII with 2GB ram running debian and its SLOWER. |
| 15:31.58 | Refu | amarilous |
| 15:32.00 | pngwn | yelp, karma |
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| 15:32.10 | WiFiTux | jethro: you could have said XDMCP and that would have been enough. |
| 15:32.10 | sml | petemc: which is embarrasing. |
| 15:32.15 | petemc | sml: yup |
| 15:32.15 | yelp | someone who has used BitTornado please tell me how can i get my "reserved" free space back? |
| 15:32.21 | Lorvija | does debian have package to mirror specified logs to a remote location? |
| 15:32.34 | sml | petemc: apart from that my laptop *does* have bus issues so it looks like my linux laptop is in need of the bin |
| 15:32.46 | sml | petemc: couldn't even fix it from knoppix :( |
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| 15:32.50 | sml | petemc: not been a great week. |
| 15:32.51 | petemc | bummer |
| 15:32.57 | yelp | ok so noone knows to help me? |
| 15:32.59 | petemc | sml: go get drunk, its friday |
| 15:32.59 | sanxiyn | grep-available -e ".*" -s Maintainer,Package | awk 'BEGIN { FS = ":" } /^Maintainer/ { m = $2 } /^Package/ { d[m] = d[m] $2 } END { for (m in d) { print m; print d[m] } }' > out |
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| 15:33.15 | gibarian | hello everyone... |
| 15:33.15 | valdyn_ | yelp: diskspace that is not available after you deleted the file? |
| 15:33.17 | sanxiyn | Will print out list of Debian package maintainers and what packages they maintain, etc. |
| 15:33.18 | sml | petemc: i went and got drunk wednesday and yesterday. tonight im going to get a curry and watch some movies. |
| 15:33.23 | xdebianuser | hi guys |
| 15:33.28 | petemc | sml: sounds alright :) |
| 15:33.28 | moZer | is there a basesystem.tar for sid? |
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| 15:33.39 | simonrvn | moZer: no |
| 15:33.40 | yelp | valdyn_: yes |
| 15:33.43 | sml | petemc: would have watched them on my laptop but now i have to go to the evil lounge and sit there. doh. |
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| 15:33.48 | sanxiyn | moZer: Make one with debootstrap. |
| 15:33.53 | simonrvn | moZer: make one |
| 15:34.01 | yelp | valdyn_: i deleted my half-downloaded movie file, and df -h dont show me that free space came back |
| 15:34.02 | gibarian | anyone here who is familiar with peculiar floppy dirs disappearing after a reboot? |
| 15:34.26 | hexxeh|work | i think greycat would like the Linux SATA Raid FAQ. of 9 questions, 7 are "q) i have $foocontroller, why doesn't linux support hardare raid? a) it's not hardware raid, it's software raid managed by a driver" |
| 15:34.29 | stew | whats a 'peculiar floppy dir'? |
| 15:34.35 | sml | gibarian: you need to make your floppy mountable on boot lol |
| 15:34.35 | valdyn_ | yelp: because some program is still using that file |
| 15:34.35 | simonrvn | yelp: df -h --sync; or sync as root / sudo |
| 15:34.42 | nSe | where can i found out how much time take to a new version of a package be avaliable in debian? |
| 15:34.53 | gibarian | sorry...was supposed to mean "peculiar problem"...I just left out the problem |
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| 15:35.10 | simonrvn | yelp: if that bt process is still running, stop it. you might see it free up |
| 15:35.19 | stew | nSe: file a wishlist bug against the package saying that there is a new upstream version |
| 15:35.21 | yelp | simonrvn: ok thanks |
| 15:35.23 | petemc | simonrvn: whats with all the ptr records? :) |
| 15:35.38 | simonrvn | petemc: eh? |
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| 15:35.50 | petemc | simonrvn: dig -x 66.11.160.83 |
| 15:35.54 | gibarian | no, i'm talking about the dir "floppy" in my root directory which disappears whenever I reboot...I have to make it again, if I want to mount my floppy into that dir |
| 15:35.55 | bonez39 | what does one type to list all the groups on a system? |
| 15:36.00 | simonrvn | oh, my dns? hehe |
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| 15:36.12 | simonrvn | petemc: remnants from when i had one ip |
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| 15:36.20 | petemc | :) |
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| 15:36.33 | stew | bonez39: cat /etc/group |
| 15:36.47 | sml | gibarian: man fstab |
| 15:36.50 | bonez39 | stew: thanks... |
| 15:37.00 | gibarian | sml, thanks, I'll check it out |
| 15:37.03 | stew | bonez39: or maybe awk -F: '{print $1}' < /etc/group ;ifyou want to get fancy |
| 15:37.06 | faked | hi, I just installed egroupware. how can I access egroupware through a webbrowser? I couldn?t find I dir. in /var/www/? |
| 15:37.23 | petemc | faked: it doesnt come with any docs? |
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| 15:37.28 | simonrvn | getent group (optional group name) |
| 15:37.37 | jago25_98 | A daemon process cashed, so now "/etc/init.d/foo restart" doesn't work. Work do I do? |
| 15:37.56 | simonrvn | advantage to that is it'll check any database the box is configured for |
| 15:38.10 | petemc | jago25_98: is there a pid file still hanging about? |
| 15:38.12 | sml | gibarian :I remember the very first linux question I ever asked was where is my CD-ROM lol |
| 15:38.26 | Lorvija | does debian have package to mirror specified logs to a remote location so they couldn't be deleted by anyone? |
| 15:38.28 | stew | i always forget about getent |
| 15:38.30 | jago25_98 | petemc: I don't know (looked in /var/run and $HOE |
| 15:39.22 | valdyn_ | Lorvija: syslog can do that iirc |
| 15:39.22 | simonrvn | heh, $HOE |
| 15:39.22 | petemc | jago25_98: does it tell you why it doesnt start? |
| 15:39.22 | Lorvija | valdyn_ okay thanks i'll check it then |
| 15:39.22 | netman1 | Lorvija: syslog remote with a loghost |
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| 15:39.22 | jago25_98 | yes, says it can't kill the process ID (because it's crashed, pretty silly) |
| 15:39.22 | bonez39 | stew: ok....simple works....what I am trying to resolve..is a permission problem with spamassassin...and rules du jour....I know it's just a chown or chgrp issue...if program x says it can't write to a file in /foo/bar.... do I need change permission for /foo/bar to be same as for program x? |
| 15:39.22 | Lorvija | netman1 thanks |
| 15:39.22 | Raf256 | shit I give up |
| 15:39.38 | dataw0lf|w | that's the spirit! |
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| 15:39.55 | Raf256 | how can I write a bash script that will execute ./foobar binary, but telling it that the needed liballe.so is in some /home/mike/so/ directory |
| 15:40.02 | stew | !WikiFaq bonez39 Permissions |
| 15:40.03 | dpkg | bonez39: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:40.30 | stew | bonez39: the user or group running program x needs write access to the file |
| 15:40.33 | valdyn_ | Raf256: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=blah ./foobar |
| 15:40.43 | Raf256 | valdyn_: \o/ |
| 15:40.43 | netman1 | Raf256: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/mike/so |
| 15:40.46 | hexxeh|work | Raf256, LD_PRELOAD=/home/mike/so /path/to/fooexecutable |
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| 15:40.58 | Raf256 | !kiss netman1 amd hexxeh|work |
| 15:41.10 | hexxeh|work | !start a ld syntax war |
| 15:41.23 | aardvark | !start a badger war |
| 15:41.24 | dpkg | badgers are worse than mushrooms |
| 15:41.32 | hexxeh|work | !start a food fight |
| 15:41.32 | dpkg | turkey is bloated |
| 15:41.47 | Raf256 | !start war for OIL |
| 15:41.59 | Raf256 | ups I forgot, there is one in Iraq already.. |
| 15:42.30 | jago25_98 | petemc: yes, says it can't kill the process ID (because it's crashed, pretty silly, it should continue anyway) |
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| 15:42.39 | spiekey | howdy |
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| 15:43.06 | spiekey | the package search page is broken. can someone tell me which packages contains gtk-config? |
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| 15:43.22 | valdyn_ | jago25_98: does the error message tell where the pid file or lock file is? |
| 15:43.34 | netman1 | spiekey: dpkg -S `which gtk-config` |
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| 15:43.55 | Burkilud | Is it normal I have several versions of gcc (3.3 3.4 3.5) and is it possible that this is the reason why I can't compile something (atmelwlandriver) |
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| 15:44.20 | valdyn_ | Burkilud: yes,no |
| 15:44.31 | SlayerCE | Burkilud: yes, no. in that order. |
| 15:44.32 | jago25_98 | valdyn_: no :/ |
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| 15:44.53 | Burkilud | Ok, I'll have to dig more documentation |
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| 15:44.59 | spiekey | netman1: syntax error |
| 15:45.05 | hexxeh|work | Burkilud, what was your kernel compiled with? (cat /proc/version) |
| 15:45.10 | bonez39 | stew: Here's the offending line..I am confused about which app or entity can't write..: /etc/spamassassin/rules_du_jour: line 126: [: perl: integer expression expected cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/spamassassin/RulesDuJour/99_FVGT_Tripwire.cf.2': Permission denied |
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| 15:45.27 | bonez39 | stew: is it perl: or cp: or something else I am not catching? |
| 15:45.32 | valdyn_ | jago25_98: find out what is really blocking the restart / start, or look into /var/run/ and rm that file ( though be sure that your "crashed" daemon is _really_ not doing anything ) |
| 15:45.37 | netman1 | spiekey: "dpkg -S gtk-config" should work too, (less fancy) |
| 15:45.38 | Raf256 | how can I use given gcc version to compile something? |
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| 15:45.40 | stew | bonez39: the user running the process needs to have write access to the directory its trying to create a file in |
| 15:45.47 | Burkilud | hexxeh: It is version 3.3.5-2 |
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| 15:45.51 | Raf256 | like gcc-3.3.2 foobar.c |
| 15:45.57 | petemc | Ru4231: change the symlink to /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 15:46.10 | spiekey | netman1: is this not for the already installed packages? |
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| 15:46.12 | petemc | Ru4231: you can do so using the alternatives system |
| 15:46.16 | valdyn_ | jago25_98: if you named the daemon, someone might know its pid file or lock file or whatever it uses |
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| 15:46.24 | netman1 | spiekey: correct |
| 15:46.26 | spiekey | netman1: dpkg: gtk-config not found. |
| 15:46.29 | jago25_98 | valdyn_: it's freenet |
| 15:46.34 | spiekey | well, but i want to install it ;) |
| 15:47.07 | jago25_98 | valdyn_: but this situation could happen again so it would be nice to know how to fix it |
| 15:47.12 | valdyn_ | jago25_98: no idea myself, which lock files / pid files it creates |
| 15:47.21 | bonez39 | stew: ok, the user in this case...cron? does it run the process? spamassassin and rules du jour just run...I guess that's what I need to figure out |
| 15:47.22 | netman1 | spiekey: here too. Sorry. |
| 15:47.36 | double_c | jago25_98: try reading through the init script, see where it checks for the lock file |
| 15:47.44 | valdyn_ | jago25_98: i told you how to fix it, find the file |
| 15:47.56 | jago25_98 | double_c: ok, thanks |
| 15:48.01 | spiekey | could anyone do a "dpkg -S gtk-config" please? ;) |
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| 15:48.09 | netman1 | spiekey: Can't reach packages.debian.org. Down? |
| 15:48.21 | spiekey | netman1: yup |
| 15:48.28 | drac | spiekey: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search gtk-config |
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| 15:48.50 | spiekey | drac: thx! |
| 15:49.04 | netman1 | spiekey: drac: cool! |
| 15:49.27 | drac | apt-file is neat.. |
| 15:49.48 | Kerr | what can i use to decompress a .ace archive? |
| 15:50.08 | drac | Kerr: unace |
| 15:50.09 | hexxeh|work | winace? |
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| 15:50.30 | double_c | Kerr: unace , not part of debian though, binary only. try google |
| 15:50.39 | Kerr | ah, thanks. |
| 15:50.57 | drac | My apt-cache search found unace. |
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| 15:51.20 | double_c | drac: Kerr: it did? sorry for the bad info |
| 15:51.22 | drac | !info unace sarge |
| 15:51.27 | dpkg | unace: (extract, test and view .ace archives), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.2b-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 15:51.32 | pillBOX | is packages.debian.org mirrored anywhere so I can browse through it while it's down? |
| 15:51.38 | cbr | http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=unace&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 15:51.42 | cbr | unace |
| 15:51.48 | jetx | you'd better unace that package |
| 15:52.03 | netman1 | spiekey: libgtk1.2-dev |
| 15:52.37 | jetx | wtf uses ace |
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| 15:52.43 | double_c | jetx: warez |
| 15:52.45 | pillBOX | warez |
| 15:53.00 | double_c | those ancient PlayDo disks for a start |
| 15:53.05 | jetx | thought warez was rarish |
| 15:53.10 | pillBOX | typically, yes. |
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| 15:53.18 | Ru4231 | I have a problem with lilo and multiple kernels. Every time it starts the same kernel |
| 15:53.19 | gibarian | I can't for the life of me figure out why my "/floppy" get's deleted when I reboot...it doesn't make any sense |
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| 15:53.26 | double_c | just about all usenet binaries are rar these days |
| 15:53.42 | Steven_ | Ru4231 : did you run lilo after installing new kernels ? |
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| 15:53.52 | Ru4231 | yes I did |
| 15:53.56 | redduck666 | ZoMBi <-- msged me offering free pr0n |
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| 15:54.11 | gibarian | redduck666 ...did offer them to me as well |
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| 15:54.17 | _ReDRuM_ | Warning: the following links may lead to files that have not been checked after the compromise of debian machines" |
| 15:54.22 | _ReDRuM_ | oops |
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| 15:54.25 | _ReDRuM_ | sorry |
| 15:54.28 | Steven_ | caphuso : at least tell us the url :) |
| 15:54.29 | jetx | Ru4231: edit /etc/lilo.conf, change default=, |
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| 15:54.32 | jetx | rerun lilo |
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| 15:54.40 | redduck666 | caphuso, thanks |
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| 15:54.44 | caphuso | Steven_: same one as always |
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| 15:54.54 | Steven_ | hmm ok |
| 15:55.01 | _ReDRuM_ | that message is pretty scarey |
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| 15:55.20 | netman1 | Ru4231: set timeout in /etc/lilo.conf and pres left shit (or ctl, don't remember) on boot, it gives you a menu |
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| 15:55.25 | jetx | check shit gtg |
| 15:55.34 | netman1 | sorry: shift |
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| 15:56.25 | Scrape | is there a command-line xor utility? |
| 15:56.44 | Ru4231 | I will try the default=. But a question before I restart: The default kernel should start only when there is no user input, shouldn't it? |
| 15:56.58 | xiaogil | How to look for a string not containing a number from 0 to 9 with regexp, in other words how to get the contrary of \[0-9] ? |
| 15:57.07 | _ReDRuM_ | [^0-9] ? |
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| 15:57.14 | xiaogil | thanks |
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| 15:58.44 | _ReDRuM_ | is there any debbootstrap type script that doesn't contain scarey "warnings this might have been trojaned" type messages? |
| 15:58.44 | Scrape | command-line xor utility, anyone? |
| 15:58.47 | netman1 | Scrape: xor = (a or b) and not (a and c) |
| 15:58.54 | Noidster | hi, i need to do an embedded debian system for end users, nothing too fancy, just the browser and a few things more, and I'm a bit lost... any pointers as to where should I start researching? |
| 15:58.59 | double_c | Scrape: write one, should be a one-liner |
| 15:59.01 | netman1 | Scrape: basic |
| 15:59.10 | caphuso | what the fuck is a xor utility? |
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| 15:59.26 | netman1 | caphusu: exclusive or |
| 15:59.30 | Scrape | caphuso: i see it referenced in a script that comes w/ cryptoloop |
| 15:59.34 | Scrape | rather, cryptsetup |
| 15:59.44 | _ReDRuM_ | usually used for very basic crypto |
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| 15:59.59 | caphuso | netman1: i know what xor is |
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| 16:00.04 | stew | and they couldnt' implement xor themselves? |
| 16:00.08 | caphuso | what i don't know is what a xor utility is |
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| 16:00.23 | _ReDRuM_ | Caphuso... perl? :) |
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| 16:00.28 | caphuso | and the whole concept of actually wanting one seems rather stupid to me |
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| 16:00.52 | stew | yeah, like i need to xor some bits, maybe i should launch another process? thats just dumb |
| 16:00.56 | netman1 | caphuso: Simply: if gateway a is up or gateway b is up |
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| 16:01.17 | Scrape | caphuso: goodness sakes. chill out. |
| 16:01.19 | caphuso | as far as i know we don't go around looking for and and or utilities either |
| 16:01.40 | netman1 | caphuso: yes you do: && || |
| 16:01.46 | caphuso | netman1: those are not utilities |
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| 16:01.56 | double_c | is the xor operator available to a shell script? |
| 16:02.19 | xtreme | my firefox hangs every time I start it, i've tried purging and reinstalling, nothing in the logs, anyone else experienced this ? |
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| 16:02.31 | kpm | ^ |
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| 16:02.38 | netman1 | caphuso: no they are not, they are operators |
| 16:02.50 | caphuso | netman1: so, Scrape wants a xor operator? |
| 16:03.09 | netman1 | caphuso: correct, and if possible from the commandline |
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| 16:03.29 | caphuso | netman1: how do you know? |
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| 16:03.55 | netman1 | caphuso: (17:58:43) Scrape: command-line xor utility, anyone? |
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| 16:04.41 | caphuso | netman1: and you can deduce from that that he wants a xor operator and not something that xors bits, like in "xor 10001" to print 01110? |
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| 16:04.49 | caphuso | netman1: because sure as hell i can't |
| 16:04.49 | netman1 | Scrape: if [ ( a || b ) && ! ( a && b) ] ; then ... |
| 16:05.09 | manchot | how to make an initrd image when compiling kernel? |
| 16:05.30 | stew | netman1: are you sure he doens't want bitwise xor? |
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| 16:05.40 | De_Mon | manchot the make-kpkg arg --initrd |
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| 16:06.02 | double_c | he should be able to tell if he wants a binary operator from the context where it's used |
| 16:06.08 | manchot | De_Mon: when compiling, must I use debian's own kernel sources? |
| 16:06.14 | netman1 | stew: He said specifically command-line, so this means a shell, correct? |
| 16:06.31 | caphuso | netman1: yes, and "echo 10001 | xor 01110" isn't command line? |
| 16:06.37 | stew | netman1: yes but i'm guessing he wants 3 xor 1 = 2, not 3 xor 1 = 0 |
| 16:06.44 | De_Mon | manchot no |
| 16:06.53 | double_c | his script will settle the question :) |
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| 16:07.11 | caphuso | and there probably at list 15 more ways of thinking about "xor command line utility" |
| 16:07.12 | double_c | my eyes! |
| 16:07.12 | netman1 | caphuso: stew: I stand corrected. |
| 16:07.16 | caphuso | s/list/least/ |
| 16:07.24 | smcavoy | Is there a page that lists the status' of the various debian servers? i.e. I can't reach packages.debian.org right now. |
| 16:07.31 | xiaogil | Is it possible to replace this \[0-9] by the same number found, but adding abcd, something like : \[0-9]abcd ? |
| 16:07.31 | De_Mon | manchot debian's kernel sources typically have extra patches applied that are worth having |
| 16:08.23 | caphuso | netman1: we can't tell yet if anyone is going to stand corrected... |
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| 16:08.49 | daffy-pkf | re |
| 16:08.51 | De_Mon | caphuso can you both be right? |
| 16:09.06 | caphuso | De_Mon: we can both be wrong |
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| 16:09.15 | De_Mon | hehehe |
| 16:09.25 | pinks | smcavoy - I've been trying all afternoon - they're dead :-/ |
| 16:09.25 | treestone | xiaogil: in perl, something like: $var =~ s/([0-9])/$1abcd/; |
| 16:09.41 | reppal | how to enable ATA pass-through on 2.6.11.7 ? i cannot use hddtemp with libata drivers.. :| |
| 16:09.44 | smcavoy | pinks: argh. |
| 16:10.04 | double_c | oh my god, an XOR joke, and it was funny! |
| 16:10.08 | smcavoy | anyone where I might find debian packaged Xen? |
| 16:10.22 | xiaogil | treestone: i mean with the search/replace tool of gvim that uses regexp |
| 16:10.52 | treestone | xiaogil: ok. I don't k now gvim, I do all my regex'es in perl. |
| 16:10.56 | De_Mon | xiaogil use \1 instead of $1 |
| 16:11.10 | manchot | De_Mon: then what's the difference between mkinitrd and --initrd option in make-kpkg? |
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| 16:11.58 | De_Mon | manchot one is the debian way, the other is not |
| 16:12.24 | stew | !info xen sid |
| 16:12.30 | dpkg | xen: (a Virtual Machine Monitor like User-Mode-Linux), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.2-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 657 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 16:12.42 | De_Mon | manchot make-kpkg produces .debs that you can install/reinstall easily. mkinitrd well, it doesnt. |
| 16:13.13 | craig_ | xiaogil: man sed |
| 16:13.15 | malex | I'd like to check if the "qemu-fast" binary from the qemu package is what is called kqemu by the upstream - the accelerated qemu. Does anyone here know? Thanks. |
| 16:13.17 | netman1 | double_c: rofl! |
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| 16:13.37 | codec | hi |
| 16:13.46 | codec | panthera, are u there? |
| 16:14.07 | double_c | netman1: I assume it was a joke. If not, then *I* just made an XOR joke, and that's even worse! :) |
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| 16:14.42 | xiaogil | De_Mon: Where to put \1 in the search replace tool where : Search \[0-9] and Replace by \[0-9]abcd ? |
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| 16:16.05 | De_Mon | xiaogil ugh in vim do ':help substitute' |
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| 16:16.58 | De_Mon | xiaogil the |sub-replace-special| means its a topic too so ':help sub-replace-special' |
| 16:17.00 | omnistegan_ | hey can someone help me get a canon printer working? I installed the driver, but It doesnt show up as an option in the print screen of any programs. |
| 16:17.32 | EdibleText | I want to test bitlbee. could someone message me? protocol: yahoo name: pojke420 |
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| 16:19.42 | drac | I'm having ALSA problems with my Ensoniq ES1371, on boot my screen is filled with 'es1371: codec read timeout at 0xec14 [0x40000000]', and finally after ~200 of those lines I get: ENS1371: probe of 0000:00:07.0 failed with error -5. Hmm. And thing showing in dmesg, BEFORE those lines is, ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:07.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 177. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:21.12 | Coke | How come hostname -f says "unknown host" when my IP and hostname works fine? |
| 16:21.27 | Coke | I have files dns and order files, bind |
| 16:21.48 | double_c | drac: all I can tell you is I'm using ALSA with an ES1371 on 2.6.8.1, and it works fine here |
| 16:21.49 | Coke | uhm, hosts, bind |
| 16:21.52 | Coke | in host.conf |
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| 16:22.18 | cahoot | drac: what if you disable apic? |
| 16:22.19 | drac | d'oh |
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| 16:22.55 | drac | Like, from.. BIOS? |
| 16:23.09 | Coke | oh silly. it works |
| 16:23.10 | drac | Or leave support out of kernel, or both? |
| 16:23.10 | cahoot | drac: at kernl boot |
| 16:23.20 | drac | Is there something I can tell grub to disable it? |
| 16:23.43 | drac | acpi=off? :) |
| 16:23.55 | xophEr | noapic |
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| 16:24.14 | doublehp | greycat: \o/ |
| 16:24.21 | doublehp | you are back :) |
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| 16:24.49 | Tamy | !list |
| 16:24.50 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
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| 16:25.03 | Mash | bye |
| 16:25.03 | drac | will try that now. |
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| 16:26.12 | pillBOX | Ahh, got to love root IRC. |
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| 16:26.22 | pillBOX | No better way to declare your ignorance. |
| 16:26.31 | double_c | or innattention |
| 16:26.50 | slocate | hey, what;s the problem with roo irc'ing really |
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| 16:27.20 | slocate | root* |
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| 16:27.38 | doublehp | drac: IRQ 117 is a bit high ... PC usually have only from 0 to 15; if you have ACPI, it may be extended a bit higher, but 117 is really high ... what does `cat /proc/interrupts` say ? whats your highest value ? using ACPI ? |
| 16:27.41 | asg | slocate: if your client has a security vulnerability, it can be used to root your machine. |
| 16:27.46 | xiaogil | is there a command in gvim to replace $var1ABC$var2 by $var1DEF$var2 ? |
| 16:27.51 | cahoot | slocate: a general symtom of carelessnes? |
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| 16:28.06 | asg | slocate: it's also indicative of the fact that the user didn't pay attention to the maxim, only do what has to be done as root as root, nothing more. |
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| 16:28.25 | doublehp | xiaogil: :%s/var1ABC/var1DEF/ (?) |
| 16:28.42 | slocate | asg: but isn't that a responsabilty of that dumb user??? |
| 16:29.09 | pillBOX | loging in as root is bad enough. sudo was made for a reason! ^_^ |
| 16:29.12 | slocate | why do we take it upon us to flame them |
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| 16:29.16 | xiaogil | doublehp: ok, but if $var1 is actually \[0-9] ? |
| 16:29.19 | pillBOX | Because it's fun. |
| 16:29.30 | doublehp | xiaogil: ? |
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| 16:29.39 | asg | slocate: yes, their responsiblity is to not run as root on irc. |
| 16:29.44 | geert0501 | is it possible/smart to enlarge the CDR_FIFOSIZE option of /etc/cdrecord.conf |
| 16:29.46 | doublehp | xiaogil: :%s/ABC/DEF/ (?) |
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| 16:29.57 | pillBOX | :%s/\[0-9]ABC/\1DEF/ |
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| 16:30.19 | stew | xiaogil: \[0-9] is not a valid regex |
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| 16:30.42 | stew | xiaogil: you must mean either \\[0-9] or \[0-9\] |
| 16:30.57 | SquareRt | mount: RPC: Program not registered |
| 16:30.59 | SquareRt | ?? |
| 16:31.15 | cahoot | geert0501: http://linux.sgms-centre.com/howto/cdwriting/07.php |
| 16:31.24 | stew | SquareRt: is portmap started? |
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| 16:31.50 | geert0501 | cahoot: thanks!! |
| 16:32.09 | SquareRt | stew: on the client or the server? |
| 16:32.16 | doublehp | SquareRt: did you install and launched portmap ? |
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| 16:32.48 | SquareRt | stew; doublehp : I've /etc/init.d/portmap restart'd on both the server and the client |
| 16:32.50 | mbeebe | when I try to apt-get sendmail, I get this error: apt-get install sendmail |
| 16:32.54 | mbeebe | Package sendmail is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:32.54 | mbeebe | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 16:32.54 | mbeebe | is only available from another source |
| 16:32.54 | mbeebe | E: Package sendmail has no installation candidate |
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| 16:34.41 | hdo781 | What is up with all the hype with Ubuntu? I've installed it. I ended up using the Debian repository most of the time anyway. |
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| 16:35.28 | drac | doublehp: 161: 781 IO-APIC-level eth0 |
| 16:35.38 | i3dmaster | I saw "Fetched 662kB in 49710d 6h28m15s (0B/s)" when I did apt upgrade, that's not correct... |
| 16:35.39 | drac | doublehp: seems like my Via Rhine II is using IRQ 161 .. and working .. |
| 16:35.41 | doublehp | mbeebe read the topic before saying anything |
| 16:36.00 | doublehp | drac: k ... then I am not up to date. |
| 16:36.40 | doublehp | drac: but thats great :) it means IRQ are not encoded on 4bits any more ... what is really a good news |
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| 16:37.06 | drac | ..maybe i'll be happy about it later :) |
| 16:37.33 | elephant | How can i force to kill a process ? |
| 16:37.41 | drac | elephant: kill -9 |
| 16:37.44 | dataw0lf|w | kill -9 <ps #> |
| 16:37.47 | hdo781 | xkill |
| 16:37.50 | elephant | drac: ok thanx a lot |
| 16:37.54 | elephant | dataw0lf: thanx |
| 16:37.57 | dataw0lf|w | doomps! |
| 16:38.03 | dataw0lf|w | or whatever it's called. |
| 16:38.11 | drac | slay is slayer. |
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| 16:38.26 | hdo781 | Is X.org faster than Xfree86? |
| 16:38.39 | greycat | no. |
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| 16:38.58 | jjman | i'm trying access an exabyte packet loader/tape changer using mtx... the tape inside the changer is at /dev/sg4, but I can't find the scsi /dev/.... for the actual changer device, any ideas about this? |
| 16:39.37 | hdo781 | greycat: Why do most distros have Xorg rather than xfree86? |
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| 16:39.51 | greycat | hdo781: huh? what planet are you on? |
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| 16:40.25 | panthera | codec: pong |
| 16:40.30 | doublehp | !cavern |
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| 16:40.49 | doublehp | hdo781: have you been living in a closed cavern those last 3 years ? |
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| 16:41.25 | doublehp | hdo781: the good question would rather be: why is DEbian the last distro still using Xfree ... |
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| 16:41.47 | doublehp | hdo781: which get public answer soon after Sarge get released ... |
| 16:42.12 | greycat | doublehp: which distros actually *do* have a stable release that uses X.org? |
| 16:42.13 | hdo781 | For a normal user, xfree86 works fine. |
| 16:42.15 | greycat | doublehp: are there any? |
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| 16:42.25 | hdo781 | I'm just a newbie |
| 16:42.27 | cbr | greycat: gentoo |
| 16:42.30 | cbr | fedora |
| 16:42.38 | cbr | ubuntu |
| 16:42.42 | cbr | do i need to go on? |
| 16:42.46 | greycat | ubuntu doesn't even count as a distro. |
| 16:42.52 | valdyn_ | fedora is an unstable distro by definition afaik |
| 16:42.55 | aardvark | i believe greenfly said stable distro. |
| 16:42.58 | aardvark | meh. |
| 16:43.02 | greycat | it's just a bunch of fucking gnome packages |
| 16:43.26 | hdo781 | What is up with the hype of ubuntu anyway? It's nothing special. |
| 16:43.30 | doublehp | cbr: greycat not talking about Gentoo for obvious, reasons, I think Fedora may be a good example. |
| 16:43.37 | hdo781 | Why do people like ubuntu? |
| 16:43.39 | aardvark | in soviet russia, gnome fucks you |
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| 16:43.55 | xiaogil | I tried this in vim : s/\[0-9]\[^0-9|.|\t]/\1\t\2/ but it says pattern not found (it founds many patterns when just looking for \[0-9]\[^0-9|.|\t] ). What I need is to do is to replace "a number + a non-number" by "the number + tabulation + the non-number" |
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| 16:44.21 | valdyn_ | hdo781: it has a few default settings that are appearantly more newbie friendly ( though people like greycat sure wont appreciate those ) |
| 16:44.36 | doublehp | xiaogil: /j #sed |
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| 16:44.40 | doublehp | xiaogil: /j #regexp |
| 16:44.46 | cbr | doublehp: which obvious reason? |
| 16:44.46 | fflush | xiaogil: what do you want to accomplish with that regex? |
| 16:45.11 | valdyn_ | hdo781: or me, for that matter. |
| 16:45.12 | treestone | xiaogil: Sigh. Why don't you just cat your file through a perl one-liner? Not all jobs are right for all tools. |
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| 16:45.34 | hdo781 | valdyn: ubuntu still has bugs just like any other distro. I think ubuntu is all hype. I've tried it. I went back to Debian. |
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| 16:45.57 | valdyn_ | hdo781: yes, sure it does |
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| 16:46.08 | x^equa|s1 | what's a good way to test if a hd is rooted? |
| 16:46.08 | reppal | how to read temperature from a SATA disk? i'm running 2.6.11.7 and i don't find the patches to enable ATA pass-through |
| 16:46.22 | treestone | x^equa|s1: chkrootkit, possibly. |
| 16:46.37 | valdyn_ | x^equa|s1: a _hd_ is rooted? |
| 16:46.46 | doublehp | cbr: Gentoo looks a bit more like a LFS to me rather than a Distro ... cause everything shall be done by hand. on the other side, if you use 'default settings' (if any one can say there are default settings in gentoo), then emerge may use some snapshots ... but I cant really thing of any "stable" gentoo... |
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| 16:46.53 | pureone | rkhunter is also nice |
| 16:46.55 | greycat | perhaps he means "a hard drive that I took out of a unix box" |
| 16:46.58 | x^equa|s1 | oh its a ntfs drive |
| 16:47.04 | greycat | it's a *what*? |
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| 16:47.08 | doublehp | cbr: to me, Gentoo is an alias for Unstable LFS |
| 16:47.09 | greycat | you can't "root" an NTFS file system. |
| 16:47.23 | x^equa|s1 | its not mine |
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| 16:47.27 | linuxnut | just installed sarge, but XFree is ignoring my 1280x1024 and using 1152x768, i am using the nv driver and the only option i have in XFree is 1280x1024 |
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| 16:47.47 | doublehp | greycat: why not ? not even using unstable settings with the unstable NTFS-RW ? |
| 16:47.52 | x^equa|s1 | greenfly, i mean fucked, then |
| 16:47.57 | drasko | hi all. How to switch locale to have time and date displayed in serbian (I found sr directory in /usr/share/locales)? |
| 16:47.58 | cbr | doublehp: i think gentoo stable is absolutely stable.. and the portage tree doesnt even have xfree btw.. xorg is the default.. stable doesnt always have to be 2 years old (not pointing at anybody) |
| 16:48.13 | Siempre | hola |
| 16:48.15 | Siempre | como va?? |
| 16:48.19 | Siempre | todo bien?? |
| 16:48.30 | greycat | !es |
| 16:48.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:48.30 | doublehp | simonrvn: english only |
| 16:48.33 | Siempre | me pasan el link de debian-es |
| 16:48.47 | Siempre | geycat |
| 16:48.47 | valdyn_ | cbr: stable is a word, debian "stable" means something ENTIRELY different than gentoo "stable" |
| 16:48.57 | Siempre | porfa |
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| 16:49.07 | Siempre | pase en de debian-es |
| 16:49.09 | x^equa|s1 | gentoo is far from stable |
| 16:49.17 | Siempre | es que nopuedo hacer el numeral |
| 16:49.20 | Siempre | jiles |
| 16:49.21 | cbr | valdyn_: yes it means 2 years old outdated software |
| 16:49.23 | greycat | Siempre: /join #debian-es |
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| 16:49.34 | Siempre | thanks greycat |
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| 16:50.14 | stew | "i think gentoo stable is absolutely stable" hahaha |
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| 16:50.33 | doublehp | cbr: but I cant admit that a distro that accepts a snapshot on the day it is released as a stable dist ... |
| 16:50.38 | jjman | mono: i'm trying to access an exabyte packet loader... I can access the tape drive via /dev/sg4, but I can't seem to find the changer device... any ideas? |
| 16:50.41 | gaspar | hello!, how can i use xhost to allow another user to use xserver? |
| 16:50.54 | cbr | doublehp: what snapshot are you talking about? |
| 16:51.23 | doublehp | cbr: even if it compiles on the maintainers computer, (not even asking for execution), it may not compile on all configurations |
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| 16:51.31 | greycat | Gart_: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 16:51.35 | greycat | bah. |
| 16:51.38 | greycat | caspercba: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 16:51.43 | cbr | doublehp: gentoo snapshots are tested, you know |
| 16:51.44 | doublehp | cbr: nothing in particular ... I am too young in Gentoo to give examples ... |
| 16:51.46 | greycat | STOP CHANGING YOUR NICK AFTER YOU ASK A QUESTION!! |
| 16:52.00 | cbr | if you mean the livecd's |
| 16:52.05 | linuxnut | is ftp.us.debian.org down? |
| 16:52.08 | cbr | or you mean the program? |
| 16:52.09 | craig_ | quit |
| 16:52.10 | cbr | s |
| 16:52.19 | greycat | linuxnut: it's a round robin. |
| 16:52.27 | caspercba | when i try xhost +192.168.0.103 i get: unable to open display "" |
| 16:52.30 | cbr | programs don't hit stable until they are stable.. patched and have no known big bugs.. |
| 16:52.34 | greycat | caspercba: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 16:52.39 | cbr | they hit ~arch first |
| 16:52.45 | greycat | caspercba: sudo rm /usr/bin/X11/xhost ;-) |
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| 16:53.06 | Noidster | greycat: hehe so true |
| 16:53.08 | doublehp | cbr: in the Debian tree, I would quote mkfs.ext2 in august 2003, when the option for Hurd support was broken: mkfs 29 was accepted, and the bug was revealed 2 months later ... |
| 16:53.08 | yalu | cbr: but you can have a 10000000 possible ocmbinations of software which may trigger bugs |
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| 16:53.21 | caspercba | greycat: no, that will erase xhost |
| 16:53.24 | doublehp | cbr: so in newly published snapshot, I expect many bugs |
| 16:53.25 | yalu | not that I don't like gentoo... |
| 16:53.27 | greycat | caspercba: very good. |
| 16:53.35 | Noidster | caspercba: yes, that's the point |
| 16:53.43 | greycat | caspercba: now the $64 question: is there any reason *not* to remove it? |
| 16:53.46 | treestone | Seconded.. er, thirded |
| 16:53.55 | valdyn_ | cbr: debian packages hit TESTING when the above is the case. |
| 16:54.18 | valdyn_ | cbr: so theres an entirely definition of what is "stable" |
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| 16:54.27 | valdyn_ | cbr: so theres an entirely different definition of what is "stable" |
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| 16:54.51 | doublehp | cbr: note that in Debian, packages have to wait several weeks bug free before moving from SID to testing ... and there are still bugs in testing ! |
| 16:54.52 | treestone | "stable" == place to keep your horse while you're going on with your business |
| 16:55.10 | doublehp | cbr: I cant imagine a bugfree distro with 50% packages less than 2weeks |
| 16:55.12 | cbr | yes but lets look at some random package.. e.g gaim.. debian woody has like 0.8x or smth.. i mean it's old and has bugs and new features.. i bet it even looks completely different because it was released years ago |
| 16:55.16 | Refu | ubuntu?? |
| 16:55.23 | greycat | Refu: no. |
| 16:55.28 | Refu | ok |
| 16:55.51 | greycat | cbr: yes, woody is 3 years old. we know. |
| 16:55.58 | yalu | old software is debians biggest problem. it's because they take "stable" SERIOUSLY |
| 16:56.08 | greycat | it's not debian's problem. |
| 16:56.15 | greycat | it's *users'* problem, if they don't like it... |
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| 16:56.36 | valdyn_ | its morons problems that they choce software by its name, not by its functionality |
| 16:56.36 | p8m | stable means more than not crashing, stable means a consistent system |
| 16:56.38 | i3dmaster | on one of my system, date is retrieving a wrong time (about 7 hours late). anyone knows how to update the time? |
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| 16:56.43 | netman1 | greycat: yeah, right, go back to your vt-1 |
| 16:56.46 | greycat | valdyn_: or by numbers. |
| 16:56.50 | treestone | woody works quite well still, if you carefully pick some stuff from backports.org |
| 16:56.55 | valdyn_ | greycat: yea =/ |
| 16:56.56 | yalu | greycat: yes, true, but isn't it a problem if half of your users use testing because stable is too stable to be useful? |
| 16:57.10 | greycat | yalu: it means testing's getting tested |
| 16:57.12 | sepski | cbr not that this is a point in nay way, but when we need the stability of woody, we ususaly dont need gaim on the box in any case :) |
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| 16:57.54 | yalu | I hear people say their apache and php versions are too old, so they run testing on servers... |
| 16:57.59 | sepski | i3dmaster, date, and install a ntp variant to keep it that way |
| 16:58.05 | doublehp | i3dmaster: after first installation ( I mean on the week you buy a computer) you run ntpdate, and thene NEVER AGAIN; after that, you install ntpd or ntp-server (even on client machines ) |
| 16:58.08 | netman1 | i3dmaster: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 16:58.13 | greycat | how the fuck can woody's apache be "too old"? too old for what? |
| 16:58.21 | usuario | hola |
| 16:58.22 | doublehp | i3dmaster: it is pre-supposed that timezone is correct |
| 16:58.23 | greycat | is there a new HTTP/1.2 that I missed? |
| 16:58.42 | yalu | greycat: dunno. I am NOT a server guru |
| 16:58.46 | stew | greycat: yeah but 2 > 1.3!!! |
| 16:58.54 | yalu | doublehp: why ntpd. ntpdate works fine for me |
| 16:58.55 | stew | :) |
| 16:59.13 | greycat | yalu: ntpd to keep it synced after boot |
| 16:59.22 | greycat | ntpdate's fine by itself if you reboot every 2 hours |
| 16:59.31 | i3dmaster | doublehp: yes. It was correct when I used it but somhow (not sure when), it was starting like this... |
| 16:59.40 | netman1 | greycat: or put it in a cron every hour |
| 16:59.40 | doublehp | yalu: ntpdate produces time jumps, what can make MANY things come wrong in your box : miss interrupts, miss cron, miss anacron, get sleeps crazy .... |
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| 16:59.46 | yalu | I reboot most machines each day. they get to sleep at night too hehe |
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| 17:00.10 | yalu | doublehp: ok that is a good argument |
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| 17:00.49 | i3dmaster | sepski, doublehp, netman1: ok guys, I know I can sync time with ntp server, but I am not get it why it would happen, I am assuming that even I did not have ntp, my local time should always correct right? Im wondering if there is any hardware clock issue? maybe? |
| 17:00.55 | p8m | hehe, when I change the year on my clock, X restarts |
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| 17:01.08 | sepski | i3dmaster, you dont dualboot with windows by any chance ? |
| 17:01.21 | greycat | i3dmaster: computer clocks *suck*. they drift all over the place. |
| 17:01.25 | i3dmaster | sepski: Linux is the only one on that box |
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| 17:01.29 | yalu | p8m: if I make a big time jump on a box which allready runs X the image just disappears for a few seconds |
| 17:01.36 | sepski | i3dmaster, and the clock on a mainboard are plain nuts |
| 17:01.42 | yalu | but those are the computers with a bad clock |
| 17:01.45 | yalu | like my laptop |
| 17:01.49 | greycat | yalu: and what if you're in the middle of compiling something? |
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| 17:01.51 | p8m | yalu: That's what I meant :) |
| 17:02.06 | i3dmaster | sepski, greycat: hehe... ok |
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| 17:02.17 | yalu | greycat: does that matter for compiling stuff? |
| 17:02.22 | greycat | yalu: hell yes. |
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| 17:02.30 | greycat | yalu: make(1) works by comparing file mtimes |
| 17:02.35 | cbr | if you have files created in the future, you're screwed |
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| 17:02.39 | ShaiW | hei |
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| 17:02.58 | i3dmaster | sepski, greycat: well... wondering if I need to change the mainboard battery or something? Do you guys think if anything related to that? |
| 17:02.58 | ShaiW | I wanna send a debian using friend a certein software, should I send a TGZ or an RPM? |
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| 17:03.13 | cbr | tgz |
| 17:03.19 | stew | i3dmaster: if you mainboard battery were dead the bios would be complaining at every reboot |
| 17:03.19 | greycat | i3dmaster: even if you have a perfectly fresh battery, your clock will *still* drift. use ntpdate and ntpd. |
| 17:03.19 | nSe | i did many sarge installations in this box, but in that one my sound isn't working, no volume problems. where ca i start from in order to fix my problem? |
| 17:03.19 | ShaiW | thanks :] |
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| 17:03.25 | sepski | i3dmaster, ntpdate + ntpd and your mainboard clock can go suck itself |
| 17:03.25 | yalu | greycat: I have a laptop which often resets the date back to 1999 if you shut it down. just running ntpdate in an init script won't cause me any trouble |
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| 17:03.49 | greycat | yalu: running ntpdate in a boot script is a perfectly good and necessary step, yes. |
| 17:03.49 | xiaogil | Why the command \[0-9]\[^0-9|.|\t] works in with the search window of gvim, and returns pattern not found when i type :\[0-9]\[^0-9|.|\t] in the command line ? |
| 17:03.56 | treestone | yalu: Sounds like bad battery. They're usually easy to replace. |
| 17:03.57 | greycat | yalu: but it won't keep things happy forever. |
| 17:03.58 | cbr | is there any special way to configure ntpd in debian? |
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| 17:04.15 | greycat | cbr: no. it's just like ntpd on any other unix box. |
| 17:04.15 | i3dmaster | sepski, greycat, stew: alright, Im gonna do what you guys suggested |
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| 17:04.19 | yalu | won't cmos data be erased if I replace the battery? |
| 17:04.22 | sepski | cbr, no, it's just like all the other configurations in debian dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:04.27 | greycat | yalu: possibly |
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| 17:04.55 | smcavoy | yalu: usually have to leave it out for a bit |
| 17:04.55 | treestone | yalu: Depends. I just replaced one (had to, it was totally dead anyway) and cmos was fine. |
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| 17:05.58 | cbr | it doesnt have /etc/ntp though |
| 17:06.04 | greycat | cbr: ls -ld /etc/ntp* |
| 17:06.15 | i3dmaster | So ntpdate and ntpd are the packages that I need to install right? just want to make sure... |
| 17:06.21 | cbr | # ls -ld /etc/ntp* |
| 17:06.21 | cbr | ls: /etc/ntp*: No such file or directory |
| 17:06.30 | linuxnut | i need to stop x from the console, what is the correct command? |
| 17:06.31 | stew | yalu: then run testing for a workstation |
| 17:06.39 | yalu | stew: I am doing so at home :) |
| 17:06.40 | greycat | cbr: then you either removed the ntp.conf file, or you didn't install ntpd yet. |
| 17:06.49 | yalu | with apt-listbugs, so I don't run into surprises |
| 17:06.50 | cbr | i have ntp and ntpdate installed |
| 17:06.51 | greycat | linuxnut: you mean stop xdm? |
| 17:06.53 | cbr | there is no package called ntpd |
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| 17:07.09 | linuxnut | stop xdm, ok thanks greycat |
| 17:07.11 | treestone | linuxnut: /etc/init.d/xdp stop (or kdm stop or gdm stop or..) |
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| 17:07.16 | treestone | s/xdp/xdm/ |
| 17:07.20 | greycat | cbr: dpkg -L ntp-server | grep /etc |
| 17:07.27 | i3dmaster | cbr: oops. really... I will do a search then |
| 17:07.37 | valdyn_ | i3dmaster: ntpdate,ntp-simple,ntp |
| 17:07.40 | Nijan | Why bittorrent is so faster thans ed2k ? |
| 17:07.40 | Nijan | Why bittorrent is so faster than ed2k ? i read because there are less file, but bigger. Is possible that is only this? |
| 17:07.43 | Nijan | sorry. |
| 17:07.45 | cbr | uhm.. why ntp-server? |
| 17:07.49 | cbr | i dont want to make a server |
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| 17:08.03 | yalu | Nijan: because you can dl from several people at once |
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| 17:08.07 | greycat | someone please make the pain stop. |
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| 17:08.15 | Peaker | would it be a good idea to modify file-touching programs (such as dpkg/updatedb) to not mess with the file times or write down what they were before it messed with them in some db? The idea is to allow knowing when a file was accessed explicitly and not as part of some system-wide operation (dist-upgrade, package install or updatedb) |
| 17:08.28 | Nijan | yalu, also from ed |
| 17:08.49 | yalu | Nijan: is that an abbreviation? |
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| 17:08.55 | Nijan | edonkey. |
| 17:08.58 | Peaker | Nijan: I would guess it is because ed2k is either implemented badly, or ppl spread their uploads too thinly |
| 17:09.01 | valdyn_ | Nijan: the default of ed2k is that _each_ _ever_ downloaded package gets share |
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| 17:09.25 | i3dmaster | valdyn_: ok ya, got it |
| 17:09.25 | cbr | the little thing i dislike about debian is also that there are so much packages.. i mean there are 5+ packages for the x server.. why not one monolithic one!? |
| 17:09.31 | simoriah | if I'm doing a network installation, do I need JUST the rescue/root images or do I need the driver images as well? |
| 17:09.35 | omnistegan_ | can somebody help me get a canon printer working? Cups tells me that it printed but nothing came out of my printer, any suggestions? |
| 17:09.45 | Nijan | valdyn_, why this should slow? |
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| 17:09.49 | yalu | cbr: that is one of the many things I LIKE about Debian |
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| 17:10.18 | greycat | cbr: that's legitimate. I had to run several commands to learn that the configuration file for the NTP *agent* (which is also called a *server*, you twit) is in ntp-server in sarge, instead of ntpd or ntp or ntp-simple or ntp-common or ... |
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| 17:10.22 | cbr | why is it good to have xserver-xfree86 xserver-common xserver-xfree86-common xserver-xfree86-blabla ? |
| 17:10.39 | sepski | cbr, becouse not everyone have the same requirements obviously |
| 17:10.47 | stew | cbr: so you don't have to install a xserver if you only want to run x clients |
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| 17:10.54 | Peaker | cbr: you can usefully have just a subset of those installed |
| 17:11.12 | yalu | which means: no wasted disk space |
| 17:11.12 | stew | oh actually i misread that list |
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| 17:11.31 | cbr | greycat: it's called the ntp daemon ;) |
| 17:11.46 | Peaker | in some cases, installed packages waste more than diskspace |
| 17:11.47 | cbr | the server is which servs you the time |
| 17:11.48 | greycat | cbr: agent, daemon, server, whatever. |
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| 17:12.12 | lestest | hi there is there a way to tell scp to make is job quitely? |
| 17:12.15 | greycat | cbr: the reference implementation of NTP is a program traditionally called xntpd, which is now called ntpd, which is BOTH A SERVER AND A CLIENT. |
| 17:12.18 | greycat | It's like BIND in that respect. |
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| 17:12.39 | valdyn_ | Nijan: it splits up the bandwidth to much |
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| 17:12.50 | Peaker | lestest: I opened the manpage and finding -q took me 10 seconds.. is that what you're looking for? |
| 17:12.51 | greycat | If you run the normal typical traditional ntpd, you are a time server. |
| 17:12.58 | cbr | can i see which init scripts are in the runlevels somehow? |
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| 17:13.05 | greycat | cbr: ls /etc/rc*.d |
| 17:13.07 | linuxnut | i just installed the nvidia driver and still can not get XFree to use 1280x1024, it is like it totaly ignores my config file |
| 17:13.09 | Peaker | cbr: ls -l /etc/rcX.d |
| 17:13.20 | Peaker | yuck! I hate runlevels! :-) |
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| 17:14.04 | Peaker | would it be difficult to convince dpkg maintainers to remmember file times (atime,ctime,mtime) in a db before they are destroyed by its operations? |
| 17:14.06 | valdyn_ | Nijan: i cant explain it to you but by a bad example: using 10 watertaps that barely give water works alot less nice than using 1 watertap that gives alot |
| 17:14.07 | cbr | uhm.. there are many scripts in those dirs.. which are loaded at boot-ime? |
| 17:14.29 | lestest | Peaker: yep, lazy me |
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| 17:14.35 | lestest | sorry bout it |
| 17:14.35 | greycat | cbr: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 17:14.51 | jair_11 | guys It is a way that I can change my root password using the command line? |
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| 17:15.05 | p8m | jair_11: man passwd |
| 17:15.06 | stew | jair_11: passwd |
| 17:15.17 | pillBOX | jair_11: pray really hard |
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| 17:16.46 | yalu | valdyn_: I don't think bandwodth works like that |
| 17:16.49 | Putiikki | what happens when sarge gets ready? |
| 17:16.51 | cbr | so in default only the scripts in /etc/rc3.d/ are executed? |
| 17:17.19 | p8m | yalu: There is overhead associated with large numbers of connections. |
| 17:17.21 | double_c | rc2.d |
| 17:17.34 | DuckTales | "gnomebaker is only 8 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in." |
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| 17:17.36 | yalu | p8m: yes, you need a good network stack. don't run windows 95 ;p |
| 17:17.39 | DuckTales | two more days until gnomebaker |
| 17:17.50 | yalu | Putiikki: party? :) |
| 17:17.59 | Putiikki | what else? :) |
| 17:18.05 | cbr | DuckTales: go in where? |
| 17:18.07 | drac | another party. |
| 17:18.08 | valdyn_ | yalu: its not about "bandwidth" its about emule and its protocol |
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| 17:18.19 | DuckTales | cbr the debian.org repositories |
| 17:18.23 | valdyn_ | yalu: s/emule/ed2k/ |
| 17:18.30 | cbr | i have it now :p |
| 17:18.36 | DuckTales | So do I. |
| 17:18.48 | Putiikki | i mean will sarge then be stable, or am i just totally lost? :) |
| 17:19.03 | yalu | I like bittorrents concept. the problem with it is that isp's often allow a lot less upload then download (in GB/month) |
| 17:19.42 | yalu | which is riciculous and stupid, since I can perfectly decide myself how much of my bandwidth I want to spend on up- and on download |
| 17:19.50 | stew | Putiikki: sarge should "real soon now" become frozen, then not long after that will become stable. then etch becomes testing |
| 17:19.54 | yalu | don't need an isp to figure that ut for me |
| 17:20.17 | Putiikki | stew: ok, thanks |
| 17:20.31 | lidocaine | yalu: they don't do it because they think they know better, they do it to allow a limited resource to be used most effectively for 95% of their users. |
| 17:20.35 | yalu | guessing from the number of release-critical bugs: 2-3 months? |
| 17:20.48 | lidocaine | yalu: yes, it sucks, which is why you need to find a better provider if possible. |
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| 17:21.06 | yalu | lidocaine: I have one who doesn't care if I upload or download |
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| 17:21.27 | aardvark | spammy! |
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| 17:21.47 | yalu | what "limited resource" do you mean actually? |
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| 17:22.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: fiNGer spamspamspamspam |
| 17:23.32 | lidocaine | yalu: typical example is cable isps. the infrastructure for adding additional upload speed isn't there. they'd need to upgrade lots of equipment. the current state provides for plenty of download, and limited upload, which satisfies most customers. there is little incentive for them to upgrade their equipment to satisfy a small group of users. |
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| 17:24.10 | yalu | lidocaine: uhm. a computer network is always bi-directional I thought? |
| 17:24.15 | lidocaine | yalu: you can bet that as soon as more and more people clamor for higher u/l speeds, more isps will provide for such things. |
| 17:24.26 | lidocaine | yalu: no. |
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| 17:24.30 | yalu | hm |
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| 17:24.50 | lidocaine | yalu: just look at dsl. A-DSL is asynchrnous. it's not the same speed in both directions. |
| 17:24.51 | stew | yalu: by bi-directional, do you mean symmetric? cuz networks are certainly not always symetric |
| 17:25.01 | stew | lidocaine: you mean asymetrical |
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| 17:25.17 | lidocaine | yalu: typo, i'm typing up some async docs :P |
| 17:25.26 | yalu | hehe |
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| 17:26.38 | jair_11 | stew, this is the thing I have my current user root password |
| 17:26.52 | jair_11 | stew, but I want to change it |
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| 17:26.59 | stew | jair_11: man passwd |
| 17:27.07 | jair_11 | stew, ohh ok |
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| 17:27.18 | shingoki | Anyone know why there is no 1400x1050 setting in the xserver-xfree86 configure? |
| 17:27.33 | shingoki | It's a fairly common laptop res I think |
| 17:27.34 | mono | heh |
| 17:27.42 | reppal | how to read temperature from a SATA disk? i'm running 2.6.11.7 and i don't find the patches to enable ATA pass-through |
| 17:27.48 | jethro | shingoki: because you can google for sample configuration with such things |
| 17:27.57 | jair_11 | stew, what about if I want to make an account with almost all the priviledges of root, so I do not need to give the root account to another person? |
| 17:28.18 | shingoki | jethro, I'm sure... but it has every other res known to man, seems odd that 1400x1050 is missing |
| 17:28.25 | stew | !dbugs 289338 |
| 17:28.29 | dpkg | #289338:N[xserver-xfree86] impossible to setup 1400x1050 mode Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:18:02 UTC |
| 17:28.37 | shingoki | ah thanks, sorry |
| 17:28.47 | stew | jair_11: check out sudo |
| 17:28.53 | stew | !sudo |
| 17:28.54 | dpkg | methinks sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 17:30.18 | stew | actually thats not the right bug |
| 17:30.24 | stew | but i know there is one open |
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| 17:30.36 | shingoki | that's good :) |
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| 17:31.13 | taddeus__ | chi cambia canale non trova pilu |
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| 17:31.52 | ob1kenewb | hi, are there any standard script that will be executed each time I resume from a echo -n "disk" >/sys/power/state ? |
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| 17:32.33 | swat-roland | hi |
| 17:32.40 | stew | shingoki: #148655 but there is no interesting status updates, and its an old bug |
| 17:32.48 | swat-roland | hab ne frage |
| 17:32.51 | shingoki | thats a shame |
| 17:33.04 | shingoki | I would have thought it would be trivial to fix |
| 17:33.19 | swat-roland | spicht jemand deutsch |
| 17:33.25 | caphuso | !de |
| 17:33.25 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 17:33.40 | swat-roland | thx |
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| 17:34.14 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo de |
| 17:34.15 | dpkg | de -- created by RichiH <richih@richih.usercloak.freenode> at Sun Sep 7 14:05:18 2003 (579 days); it has been requested 103 times, last by caphuso, 49s ago. |
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| 17:38.56 | crogue5 | when i read something in reference to /var/named, i should actually be thinking /var/cache/bind for debian right? |
| 17:40.46 | jair_11 | stew, thank you |
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| 17:42.51 | p30n | question: how do i disable the executing of X while booting up my sarge? and how can i exit X back to console without getting to the login screen? |
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| 17:43.35 | asg | p30n: /msg dpkg nodm and CTRL+ALT+F1-6 |
| 17:43.37 | greycat | p30n: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 17:43.50 | p30n | ok thx |
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| 17:45.25 | p30n | greycat: asg: how do i disable it? i dont want to delete it |
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| 17:45.37 | p30n | i want to be able to start it from console whenever i want |
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| 17:45.40 | p30n | but i dont want it to boot |
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| 17:45.51 | asg | p30n: remove the symlinks from /etc/rc2.d then |
| 17:45.59 | p30n | which ones? |
| 17:46.19 | asg | p30n: SXXxdm, SXXgdm, SXXwdm, etc. (the ones for whichever *dm is in use) |
| 17:46.21 | greycat | the ones you don't want, of course |
| 17:47.22 | resiak | p30n: Are you installing nvidia drivers, by the way? |
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| 17:48.15 | p30n | no im not |
| 17:48.20 | p30n | resiak why u wondering? |
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| 17:48.50 | luisbalam | hola |
| 17:48.56 | resiak | p30n: Because that's the normal reason people want to kill X -- the nvidia-installer says to do so -- and they should be using the nvidia-glx stuff instead. |
| 17:49.10 | polm | Where can I get a good equivalent to the RDP server in Debian ? XDMCP requires too much bandwidth, and VNC seems limited in comparison. I've heard of FreeNX, but I can't find any debian packages for it. |
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| 17:49.42 | asg | polm: no machine nx or freenx |
| 17:49.50 | shingoki | when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, it doesnt actually change XF86Config |
| 17:49.56 | resiak | !x md5 |
| 17:49.59 | resiak | !xmd5 |
| 17:50.00 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 17:50.02 | resiak | shingoki: ^^ |
| 17:50.04 | shingoki | thanks |
| 17:50.09 | p30n | resiak: nope, im configuring a server, and i wanted to disable X as i use ssh to conf it, and i just want X to be there so i can use it maybe sometime |
| 17:50.16 | polm | asg: where can I get debian packages for freenx ? |
| 17:50.23 | resiak | p30n: Sure. Just remove the ?dm in that case, since you can always startx |
| 17:50.26 | luisbalam | disculpen una pregunta, de todos los discos (creo que 7), todos se usan para instalar el programa? |
| 17:50.29 | resiak | !es#] |
| 17:50.31 | greycat | polm: apt-get.org perhaps |
| 17:50.33 | resiak | !es |
| 17:50.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:51.04 | polm | greycat: the links on apt-get.org for freenx are unresolvable. |
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| 17:51.14 | greycat | !lose polm |
| 17:51.15 | dpkg | polm: You Lose. |
| 17:51.25 | luisbalam | como entro desde aqui a #debian-es |
| 17:51.32 | greycat | /join #debian-es |
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| 17:51.54 | p30n | resiak: yes thanks for the help |
| 17:51.56 | resiak | !es is also /join #debian-es |
| 17:51.57 | dpkg | resiak: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 17:51.59 | resiak | :( |
| 17:52.01 | resiak | p30n: No problem. |
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| 17:53.00 | bcordis | ha is debian server having truble |
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| 17:56.22 | greycat | Hah! on page 5 of this booklet they left on my chair, it says ``Use encryption software if you send "sensitive" information - across the Internet - ...'' Our standard here is Windows 95 or 2K, with Outlook. |
| 17:56.22 | greycat | Good luck. |
| 17:56.55 | greycat | "Don't auto-forward CCHS E-Mail to your personal E-mailbox" HAHAHAHAH... |
| 17:57.04 | greycat | That's a good one. |
| 17:57.04 | resiak | greycat: ...where is this plaec? |
| 17:57.14 | greycat | CCHS = Cleveland Clinic Health System |
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| 17:58.18 | crashbg | i have really bad problem with my SIS chipset; the SIS5513 driver is compiled into the kernel, but it detects the SIS740 ATA/100 IDE chipset as SIS962/963 ATA/133 and there are a lot of ide errors; does anyone know how to pass the 5513 manually what chipset i have? |
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| 17:59.15 | greycat | "Enable Macro Virus Protection in Microsoft Word, Excel, and PowerPoint". Hmm, what about vim? |
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| 17:59.32 | resiak | greycat: Wasn't there some modeline hole? |
| 17:59.38 | dippo | is there a way to get a list of files in a package without actually installing/downloading it? |
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| 17:59.50 | stew | dippo: apt-file list pkgname |
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| 18:00.00 | greycat | dippo: ask someone who has it |
| 18:00.06 | dippo | ah ok |
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| 18:00.17 | stew | dippo: or dpkg -c /path/to.deb |
| 18:00.24 | eMerged | Seb: what's up? |
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| 18:00.55 | crashbg | pls, can anyone help me with the SIS driver? |
| 18:01.43 | greycat | "Do not download any games, movies, music files, or other types of computer programs or executable files" --- since when is a music file a "program" or an "executable file"? |
| 18:01.43 | greycat | crashbg: try a different kernel. |
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| 18:02.28 | crashbg | i have tried 2.6.8,2.6.10 and 2.6.11.x :( |
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| 18:02.34 | crashbg | debian and custom... |
| 18:02.35 | doubleh1 | I had two sever freezes (not KP: but freese ) within 30mn, during an apt upgrade; mozilla-thunderbird does not want to start, `dpkg --configure -a` reports 18 packages which got dependency problems: dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error dpkg: error processing vim (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 ... what can I do ? `apt-get --reinstall install vim` does no |
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| 18:06.15 | cyklus | I am having problems palying DVD's... I can watch it and sound works however every 2 seconds it stops for a plit second and then continues... this is hapening across multiple players (mplayer, vlc) |
| 18:06.38 | directhex | cyklus, dma on the drive? |
| 18:07.03 | cyklus | directhex: should be... its and IBM T40 laptop |
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| 18:07.14 | cyklus | directhex: how do i check its enabled? |
| 18:07.17 | directhex | cyklus, well, check with hdparm |
| 18:07.30 | Seb | eMerged: man this is a sick nick to have in #debian :> |
| 18:07.48 | eMerged | Seb: I know... that's why its so good.. ;) |
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| 18:08.04 | yalu | hehehe |
| 18:08.11 | Seb | heh |
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| 18:08.54 | eMerged | oddly enough I don't even run emerge: the name's based off of the FisherSpooner song |
| 18:08.58 | dob | Hi |
| 18:09.24 | pillBOX | What a convinient thing to say when greeting people. |
| 18:09.24 | dob | for a cdrom /dev/cdrom has to be a link to /dev/hdd for example right? |
| 18:09.27 | cyklus | directhex: when I use -I it says it had DMA capabilities, how do I ensure they are being used? |
| 18:09.34 | greycat | dob: only if you intend to use /dev/cdrom |
| 18:09.47 | doubleh1 | cyklus: -c1d1 |
| 18:09.51 | doubleh1 | cyklus: -cd |
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| 18:10.47 | dob | greycat: yes i use it, and for a cdwriter is ok a link to /dev/hdc not to a scsi device if i don't use "ide-scsi" right? |
| 18:10.55 | cyklus | doubleh1: both are 0... whatta ya know |
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| 18:11.17 | cyklus | doubleh1: i thought it would auto set those... |
| 18:11.23 | Squiddy | Hi folks. I'm running Debian Sarge on a Toshiba Satellite A70 and I'm having problems with sound. The ALSA driver works, but I can't get output from totem if I have ESD enabled in GNOME. Disabling ESD allows sound to work right, but then I don't get "event sounds". |
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| 18:11.34 | cyklus | doubleh1: where do I do to permanently set them to 1? |
| 18:11.39 | Squiddy | Can anyone suggest what's going on here? |
| 18:12.14 | streuner_ | Squiddy: ESD could causes headaches? |
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| 18:12.27 | greycat | streuner_: and cancer. |
| 18:12.34 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 18:12.40 | directhex | Squiddy, run gstreamer-properties, select esdsink |
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| 18:12.46 | Squiddy | streuner_, Okay, that's something I'd agree with. Is there another option for "system sounds" in GNOME? |
| 18:12.55 | streuner_ | nope |
| 18:13.07 | greycat | yeah. "don't use 'em". |
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| 18:13.23 | JoshTriplett | greycat: /me uses that option. |
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| 18:13.51 | JoshTriplett | greycat: (Due more to the requirement for ESD than to a dislike of noises from the WM. :) ) |
| 18:13.55 | kain | hi there, someone have ideas about this behaviour? http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=2393 |
| 18:14.06 | Squiddy | greycat, I like to have a startup noise... :) |
| 18:14.45 | billyoc | clog you fan with dirt. :) |
| 18:14.48 | Squiddy | directhex, I tried that -- it keeps trying to go back to Alsa |
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| 18:16.00 | directhex | Squiddy, force it by hand in gconf-editor -> /system/gstreamer/0.8/default |
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| 18:16.11 | directhex | /audiosink |
| 18:17.03 | Squiddy | directhex, tried that one too. It doesn't appear to make a difference... |
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| 18:17.59 | Squiddy | directhex, should the "Test" button in gstreamer-properties do something? It says something about unable to connect pipe... |
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| 18:18.19 | directhex | Squiddy, yes, it should play some white noise |
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| 18:18.38 | Squiddy | directhex, Okay, then it's not making the connection for some reason. |
| 18:18.47 | directhex | i have hardware mixed sound as of today, which is nice |
| 18:18.52 | dhuv | any ideas when packages.debian.org will be available? |
| 18:19.02 | greycat | dhuv: about 2 days ago |
| 18:19.03 | dhuv | what happened to it? server problems or inet |
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| 18:19.10 | greycat | !gluck down |
| 18:19.11 | dpkg | somebody said gluck down was "gluck (cvs, people, planet, etc.) downtime - ongoing raid problems" http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00006.html |
| 18:19.36 | greycat | if it's back down *again*, that's new news to me. |
| 18:19.54 | yalu | I have my entire life in one terminal window |
| 18:20.00 | dhuv | greycat: ok, i havent used it for a couple of days |
| 18:20.05 | greycat | packages.d.o is now saens, not gluck |
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| 18:21.15 | DuckTales | "i cannot start X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. would you like to view server output to diagnose problem? |
| 18:21.22 | DuckTales | fatal server error: |
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| 18:21.28 | stew | and seans is a slow machine |
| 18:21.31 | DuckTales | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 18:21.38 | greycat | DuckTales: /msg dpkg fixed |
| 18:21.44 | DuckTales | the X server's fonth paths might be misconfigured, remote font server(s) may be unreachable, and/or local fonts may not be installed or are not configuredcorrectly |
| 18:21.52 | DuckTales | xfonts-base |
| 18:21.55 | DuckTales | Is that the package I want? |
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| 18:22.16 | DuckTales | greycat, dpkg doesn't respond to "fixed" |
| 18:22.21 | greycat | !fixed |
| 18:22.25 | greycat | !literal fixed |
| 18:22.25 | dpkg | fixed is <reply> see fixed font, or abrotman |
| 18:22.28 | greycat | BAH! |
| 18:22.33 | greycat | dpkg, no, fixed is <reply> see fixed fontr |
| 18:22.34 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 18:22.35 | greycat | dpkg, no, fixed is <reply> see fixed font |
| 18:22.35 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 18:22.40 | greycat | !fixed |
| 18:22.40 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 18:22.48 | Squiddy | In Debian, is there a package that provides "alsad"? |
| 18:22.53 | directhex | alsad? |
| 18:23.02 | directhex | what on god's green earth? |
| 18:23.02 | [TACO] | assuming alsa daemon |
| 18:23.04 | greycat | what the hell is alsad? |
| 18:23.11 | [TACO] | but never heard of it |
| 18:23.14 | greycat | maybe he means artsd? |
| 18:23.24 | [TACO] | possibly :) |
| 18:23.30 | directhex | esd! |
| 18:23.36 | [TACO] | httpd! |
| 18:23.41 | Squiddy | greycat, Nope, alsad -- found it on a post. Someone had mentioned it as a possible problem. |
| 18:23.55 | greycat | well then, if you don't have it, it's not a problem. |
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| 18:24.04 | directhex | yeah, problem is lack of existance |
| 18:24.12 | directhex | unless it's legacy alsa 0.5 junk |
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| 18:25.14 | Squiddy | Alright, that's fine. Was hoping there'd be a way to get both the little "system sounds" and simple multimedia to work, but it looks like this is too much of a PITA. |
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| 18:25.49 | directhex | Squiddy, no, it's possible to run alsa and oss at the same time. don;t have time to explain though |
| 18:25.50 | [TACO] | Squiddy: are you here for trouble or help |
| 18:26.08 | miernik | packages.debian.org down ? |
| 18:26.17 | Squiddy | [TACO], Help. of course. |
| 18:26.31 | Squiddy | directhex, can you point me off down the road to success? |
| 18:26.36 | streuner_ | miernik: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:26.49 | directhex | Squiddy, dmix, and 'aoss esd' |
| 18:26.53 | [TACO] | Squiddy: then we will help |
| 18:26.56 | erbi | whats the difference beween debian and slackware? pls go descriptive. |
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| 18:27.05 | [TACO] | erbi... |
| 18:27.09 | Ronin | one is spelled debian the other slackware |
| 18:27.10 | nix000 | howdy |
| 18:27.14 | Squiddy | directhex, I'll go bark up that tree for a bit then. Thanks! :) |
| 18:27.16 | dvs | debian is better |
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| 18:27.30 | streuner_ | !start a distro war |
| 18:27.31 | dpkg | RedHat 0wnz! |
| 18:27.31 | greycat | !why debian |
| 18:27.32 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 18:27.34 | [TACO] | nice answer dvs :P |
| 18:27.43 | dvs | [TACO]: Thanks |
| 18:27.45 | samuel | sup all |
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| 18:28.37 | [TACO] | pillBOX: may wanna get that checked |
| 18:28.42 | nix000 | i have this @$%$% where my process (freeradius) is listening on port 1812 but still nothing comes thru. i also disabled all firewall rules. when i access from the local net the server sees the pakets. |
| 18:28.50 | samuel | anyone know if its possible to activate a firewall for all network interfaces to fall under the same ruleset at the time they are activated? |
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| 18:29.23 | pillBOX | [TACO]: Yeah, I think I got water down the wrong pipe. |
| 18:29.31 | [TACO] | nix000: are you on computer -> Internet or Computer -> Router -> Internet? |
| 18:29.39 | [TACO] | pillBOX: :D |
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| 18:30.19 | slim | any repos with gnome 2.10? |
| 18:30.35 | nix000 | taco: i can see the packets coming. they are just not answered. i placed a sniffer near my server |
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| 18:31.10 | nix000 | slim, try ubuntu |
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| 18:31.45 | mgth | Hi all, Is there any easy way to get a non theaded version of perl running on sarge? |
| 18:31.56 | dhuv | i am trying out evolution in the unstable distribution, how do i find out who to contact about bugs or anything like that |
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| 18:32.01 | JoshH | mgth: compile it? :) |
| 18:32.18 | nix000 | dhuv, #gnome ??? |
| 18:32.21 | appaji | dhuv: use the reportbug package to report bugs on it? |
| 18:32.26 | mgth | joshH: Yes I could do that, I was wondering if there was a package |
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| 18:32.30 | mgth | ~perl |
| 18:32.31 | apt | well, perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language |
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| 18:33.00 | dhuv | nix000: i am not sure if this is a gnome specific bug |
| 18:33.09 | dhuv | it might be something with the debian package |
| 18:33.16 | greycat | Pascal, Pike, Perl, Python, ... |
| 18:33.18 | [TACO] | nix000: just reading up on radius itself, Authentication and accounting for dialup users? :P |
| 18:33.20 | [TACO] | nice |
| 18:33.33 | paulswm | dhuv: I would imagine it should say in the documentation or the help or the about, at least give you the project page |
| 18:33.50 | paulswm | Or google for it |
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| 18:34.47 | [TACO] | so pretty much |
| 18:34.52 | kairo | humm, packages.d.o down?! |
| 18:34.59 | [TACO] | origin -> FreeRadius |
| 18:35.00 | greycat | kairo: could be. |
| 18:35.21 | [TACO] | freeradius !-> origin |
| 18:35.49 | stew | kairo: not down, its usually on gluck, which is down, its now on saens which is very slow |
| 18:37.08 | [TACO] | nix000: I'm assuming there is no error output correct? And have you checked the logs if there are any? |
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| 18:37.37 | asterisk | hy |
| 18:37.41 | kairo | greycat and stew ok, and thanks for information. |
| 18:37.44 | airco | does anyone remember the command that shows you which process is using which device? |
| 18:37.44 | asterisk | only a little info |
| 18:37.48 | asterisk | only a little info |
| 18:37.58 | asterisk | i am using debian |
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| 18:38.24 | Ryushin | Okay, it's X.org time. Are there any packages for unstable yet? |
| 18:38.28 | asterisk | which command i must to use to decompact a file *.zip ? |
| 18:38.31 | [TACO] | asterisk: first off all, welcome to the debian community. Second of all, please say something only once :) |
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| 18:38.39 | stew | !topicsmite Ryushin |
| 18:38.39 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Ryushin. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 18:38.47 | stew | asterisk: unzip |
| 18:38.51 | asterisk | i just say over |
| 18:38.55 | [TACO] | stew: hey |
| 18:39.09 | paulswm | !fgi dhuv gnome+evolution+bugzilla |
| 18:39.10 | dpkg | dhuv: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=gnome+evolution+bugzilla |
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| 18:39.53 | Arafangion | !fgi C++ |
| 18:39.57 | DuckTales | greycat, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/gbg5o112.html |
| 18:40.00 | [TACO] | stew: amazingly enough, 2.6.11 Kernel with Sid worked out perfectly. So far no bumps what so ever. KDE/GNOME booted up fine |
| 18:40.00 | Arafangion | !fgi thestar C++ |
| 18:40.01 | dpkg | thestar: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=C++ |
| 18:40.09 | stew | !win [TACO] |
| 18:40.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, [TACO]! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 18:40.15 | kf4ebp | This seems pretty simple, but I am stumped. I have done the serial terminal thing on one of my com ports. No problem there. I have color ls at the console, net logins, X based terminal windows, etc. but I do not have color ls through the serial port unless I use the --color switch. Anyone have any ideas. |
| 18:40.17 | airco | !beer [stew] |
| 18:40.20 | [TACO] | lol |
| 18:40.26 | asterisk | no manual for unzip |
| 18:40.27 | airco | !bear [stew] |
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| 18:40.32 | stew | cheers! happy friday |
| 18:40.34 | asterisk | which other ? |
| 18:40.35 | asterisk | which other ? |
| 18:40.43 | asterisk | for unzip nothing to do |
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| 18:40.53 | airco | oh, friday's a holiday now? cool |
| 18:40.54 | [TACO] | asterisk: you do not have unzip installed |
| 18:41.03 | [TACO] | asterisk: apt-cache search unzip |
| 18:41.05 | [TACO] | see if its there |
| 18:41.08 | Arafangion | fgi seems a nice idea. I do prefer clusty.com, though. Nicer search engine. |
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| 18:41.09 | stew | airco: every friday is worth celebrating in my book |
| 18:41.13 | [TACO] | should be, then apt-get install unzip |
| 18:41.15 | C17H21NO4 | kf4ebp: Edit your ~/.bash_profile to source your ~/.bashrc |
| 18:41.25 | stew | Arafangion: a search engine nicer than google? |
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| 18:41.40 | smo__ | hi |
| 18:41.45 | Arafangion | stew, I couldn't believe it when I saw it! |
| 18:41.48 | stew | asterisk: you might get better help in #debian-it |
| 18:41.48 | airco | stew: in that case, your book is worth celebrating on my friday (grabs a beer) cheers! |
| 18:42.05 | [TACO] | asterisk: Its not installed, thats all the problem is |
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| 18:42.14 | dhuv | cool, so i submitted a bug through the bug report tool |
| 18:42.22 | [TACO] | asterisk: I do not have it installed either, and I got the same error from man pages |
| 18:42.35 | paulswm | [TACO]: HAH |
| 18:42.42 | asterisk | nothing todo |
| 18:42.46 | asterisk | again |
| 18:42.49 | smo__ | how can i makde passwords less than 6 characters in proftpd??? please |
| 18:43.04 | [TACO] | paulswm? |
| 18:43.08 | dhuv | the reason I dont think its a evolution problem is that I get camel warnings when I start evolution from commandline |
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| 18:43.12 | asterisk | any other option ? |
| 18:43.23 | kf4ebp | C17H21N04: that did it. Thanks |
| 18:43.34 | dhuv | and ximina-connector-setup also complains about libcamel.so.0 missing |
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| 18:43.45 | stew | asterisk: apt-get install unzip ; unzip filename |
| 18:43.49 | dhuv | thats why i wanted packages.debian.org to find out which package i might be missing |
| 18:43.51 | [TACO] | Wow, funny, I cannot connect to debian sources sites, kairo, you're having the problem |
| 18:44.05 | [work]brina | dhuv: apt-cache search libcamel |
| 18:44.05 | [work]brina | ? |
| 18:44.08 | [TACO] | stew: I cannot aquire it from debian.org sources, I doubt he will :P |
| 18:44.10 | asterisk | i am in a linuxclub the pcìs are not root |
| 18:44.22 | stew | [TACO]: there are many many mirrors |
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| 18:44.44 | dhuv | [work]brina: I can see the packages, and i have libcamel package installed |
| 18:44.45 | [TACO] | stew: true, I should probably add them |
| 18:44.50 | dhuv | but i dont see that file in that package |
| 18:45.02 | dhuv | i even looked at the installed files in evolution |
| 18:45.03 | [work]brina | dhuv: oh then I can't help you =P |
| 18:45.15 | paulswm | [TACO]: I thought you were being funny, if you don't have something installed of course man is going to say no manual entry |
| 18:45.16 | dhuv | i also searched /usr for libcamel.so.0 |
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| 18:45.18 | stew | !tell asterisk about italian |
| 18:45.28 | [work]brina | I just remember my XMMS starting spitting stuff like that out and I downloaded the packges and it worked again =P |
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| 18:45.51 | DuckTales | asterisk, #debian-it |
| 18:45.52 | [TACO] | paulswm: can't imagin that, man pages not knowing everything!? haha, yeah it was <sarcasm> :) |
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| 18:48.22 | C17H21NO4 | What is does the capability module do? |
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| 18:48.39 | C17H21NO4 | s/is // |
| 18:49.05 | simonrvn | handles the kernel space CAP_* and other flags. another level of security features |
| 18:49.10 | Squiddy | Hi again folks. Got sound working through dmix, but I've got a bit of a stutter on streaming audio. Everything else works great, though! |
| 18:49.43 | [TACO] | stew: found out his problem, not root, and its not in /usr/bin |
| 18:49.53 | C17H21NO4 | simonrvn: It that all done on the kernel level or are there userspace tools that use it? |
| 18:50.00 | willian2101 | oi tudo bem |
| 18:50.18 | edson | Hi. blz |
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| 18:50.43 | simonrvn | kernel and user space use them, editable from user space |
| 18:50.59 | asg | simonrvn: you ever mess with grsec? |
| 18:51.04 | willian2101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.04 | edson | falai willian2101 |
| 18:51.06 | simonrvn | rather, changable |
| 18:51.09 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:51.22 | simonrvn | makes my kernel unstable though |
| 18:51.25 | Squiddy | [TACO], thanks to you and directhex. |
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| 18:51.38 | asg | simonrvn: because of RBAC or just in general? |
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| 18:51.56 | [TACO] | Squiddy: welcome |
| 18:52.01 | greycat | OK. I have just seen the Worst Laptop in the World. |
| 18:52.04 | willian2101 | tudo bem com vcs |
| 18:52.07 | simonrvn | haven't debugged that yet. i suspect so. could be the PAX |
| 18:52.20 | asg | greycat: the ACER in Ferrari red? |
| 18:52.21 | kairo | how I search package contents the lib libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 via apt? I don't access packages.d.o. |
| 18:52.29 | asg | simonrvn: ah, okay. |
| 18:52.35 | asg | kairo: apt-file |
| 18:52.38 | greycat | It's an HP OmniBook. No built-in ethernet, and the owner didn't give me a dongle for his 3com PCMCIA NIC. Won't boot from CD-ROM. (And I can't do a net-install with floppies, without a working NIC.) |
| 18:52.40 | xiaogil | How to replace this vim expression /\d\([^0-9.\t]\) by the same with \t between \d and \([^0-9.\t]\) ? |
| 18:52.45 | kairo | asg: thanks! |
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| 18:52.55 | asg | greycat: ouch! |
| 18:52.57 | simonrvn | @libstdc.so.2 |
| 18:53.05 | simonrvn | @listvals libstdc |
| 18:53.08 | greycat | 32 MB of RAM. Windows 95. Doesn't detect the built-in clitoris mouse half the time it boots. Wouldn't eject my Debian CD without my taking a bent paperclip to the drive. |
| 18:53.11 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'libstdc' by value (8): sidprob ;; libstdc ;; red hat c++ ;; iplanet ;; redhat crap ;; hurd-compile ;; libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 ;; mozilla java. |
| 18:53.15 | takatumi | it's rube goldberg in person. |
| 18:53.19 | simonrvn | @libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 18:53.20 | ravenbird | somebody said libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 was apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 (but this is only in woody! If you need this in sarge or sid, add a woody line to sources.list) |
| 18:53.34 | simonrvn | meh, wrong one |
| 18:53.42 | simonrvn | @libstdc |
| 18:53.42 | ravenbird | libstdc doesn't exist, you either want libc or libstdc++, or see libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 18:53.48 | C17H21NO4 | simonrvn: Do you know why it wouldn't load automatically after compiling my own kernel. All I did was add bootsplash support. I can load the module and hald sees it, but with the packaged kernel it loads automatically. |
| 18:53.54 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 18:54.18 | [TACO] | greycat: nice :) |
| 18:54.35 | greycat | Oh, and the screen is so dim you practically have to use a flashlight to see it. |
| 18:54.50 | simonrvn | C17H21NO4: several reasons. i just stick the modules i want in /etc/modules and not worry about it. FYI, if you have it modular, bind and some other processes need it loaded first |
| 18:55.01 | [TACO] | greycat: only time I have that problem is when the drive is not mounted, but thats a simple solution. I feel for yah |
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| 18:55.26 | [TACO] | sorry |
| 18:55.28 | asg | greycat: sounds like my old Fujitsu Lifebook 400 |
| 18:55.32 | [TACO] | the drive was not umounted |
| 18:55.45 | [TACO] | doorlock is also fun |
| 18:55.49 | simonrvn | now i know what a clit mouse looks like |
| 18:55.59 | greycat | [TACO]: well, I tried pressing the eject button many times, during BIOS POST, during Win95 startup, during Win95 normal ops... |
| 18:56.19 | willian2101 | --- - ___=__"vll(____i__ |
| 18:56.19 | willian2101 | --- - Fundraiser _"""".--.--.vi|iilIIiiIll(, |
| 18:56.19 | willian2101 | --- - status _/^"... . . . . vii|iii|i|i|i|ill__, |
| 18:56.19 | willian2101 | --- - "^`. . . . . .. ..v|ii|i|iiiiii|iiiixI(_ |
| 18:56.20 | willian2101 | --- - =( ... .. . .. .. . .Ii|i|ii|i||i|ii|i|ii|iv_, |
| 18:56.20 | greycat | even while sitting in the BIOS (which they call "SCU") |
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| 18:56.28 | willian2101 | --- - _"' . . . .. . . . . v|iii|ii|iii|i|ii|i|i|il(, |
| 18:56.30 | willian2101 | --- - _"... . .. .. . . .. .. vii|i|i|ii|ii|ii|iiiii|iil; |
| 18:56.32 | willian2101 | --- - =v... . .. . . . . .. . . vi|i|iii|ii|ii|ii|i|i|ii|ilv |
| 18:56.33 | [TACO] | greycat: yeah, I never doubt you when it comes to that, you've helped me a few times in the past. I never question your knowledge |
| 18:56.33 | asg | willian2101: knock it off |
| 18:56.34 | willian2101 | --- - _/^. .. . . .. . .. . . . .v|iii|i|ii|i|ii|i|ii|i|iiiiv_ |
| 18:56.35 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 18:56.37 | willian2101 | --- - =;. . . .. . . .. . .. .. .vi|i|ii|i|iii|i|iiiiixinxnnov |
| 18:56.38 | willian2101 | --- - =( . . . . .. . . . . . . .Ii|ii|iiiiiiiixnnxoooononnnov_, |
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| 18:56.42 | paulswm | willian2101: fuck off |
| 18:57.05 | paulswm | I mean "stop it" |
| 18:57.18 | greycat | I believe he's been stopped for now. |
| 18:57.25 | simonrvn | during the swaering at it while you were kicking it across the room... |
| 18:57.25 | simonrvn | duh |
| 18:57.25 | simonrvn | fucking irssi |
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| 18:57.46 | paulswm | greycat: Yes, I saw, just covering my bad language :) |
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| 18:58.36 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 18:59.01 | [TACO] | ontop of that, the ascii art was ugly |
| 18:59.14 | greycat | [TACO]: blame lilo for that. |
| 18:59.17 | asg | [TACO]: it the fundraiser graph from freenode |
| 18:59.24 | asg | s/it/it is/ |
| 18:59.25 | [TACO] | I know |
| 18:59.29 | greycat | [TACO]: /motd |
| 18:59.35 | [TACO] | I never liked it, but I still hope they meet their goal |
| 18:59.50 | paulswm | asg: I must admit to being curious as to how you even wanted to acquire this lemon |
| 18:59.52 | [TACO] | I saw it :P |
| 18:59.58 | asg | paulswm: the lifebook 400? |
| 18:59.59 | nydust | Does it exicst any gui app to configere servers? an all in one app? |
| 19:00.19 | p8m | nydust: vim! |
| 19:00.22 | DaCa | gvim? |
| 19:00.27 | Ryushin | Is there a higher bandwidth site in the US besides ftp.us.debian.org for apt-get? |
| 19:00.28 | aardvark | nydust: go away to #ubuntu |
| 19:00.28 | paulswm | asg: sorry I meant greycat |
| 19:00.30 | asg | paulswm: it was on sale, though that was back in '95 or '96 or so. |
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| 19:00.34 | asg | paulswm: hehe :) |
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| 19:00.39 | asg | !pubtime |
| 19:00.39 | dpkg | from memory, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 19:00.53 | [TACO] | Ryushin: I have no problem with that site |
| 19:00.59 | simonrvn | later asg |
| 19:01.20 | Ryushin | I'm only geeting about 30-60K out of it most times. |
| 19:01.20 | C17H21NO4 | Ryushin: netselect. |
| 19:01.20 | nydust | aardvark, ubuntu is for desktops!! I dont need i just wondered, cause i am not allways on work. |
| 19:01.36 | nydust | p8m, ;) its true |
| 19:01.51 | greycat | ubuntu is for.... uh.... gnomeheads. |
| 19:01.56 | Ryushin | netselect just gives me ping times. Not how much bandwidth capacity they have left. |
| 19:02.19 | Ryushin | greycat: ubuntu is getting me my x.org packages. Only thing I want from it. |
| 19:02.21 | greycat | Ryushin: how would it know? |
| 19:02.29 | greycat | Ryushin: and why do you want that? |
| 19:02.56 | Ryushin | greycat: So my software suspend works correctly on my laptop. |
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| 19:03.33 | greycat | voodoo. /me makes the sign of the evil eye. |
| 19:04.02 | paulswm | I have a Hyperdata laptop P133 MMX, 32MB, 2GB, still works great except the screen is a bit crappy and it won't read CDRWs, but running OK 24x7 as a non-X Linux box |
| 19:06.47 | [TACO] | paulswm: I have the same thing but not MMX |
| 19:07.08 | [TACO] | paulswm: linux box, don't even bother with any Xwindow enviroment |
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| 19:08.13 | nix000 | anyone can share/point .config file for kernel 2.4.30 ? i have to rebuild it for this woody on dell box. |
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| 19:08.30 | takatumi | anyone managed to get bootchart working? |
| 19:08.34 | simonrvn | make menuconfig |
| 19:08.48 | greycat | nix000: you make it yourself from scratch. |
| 19:08.58 | greycat | nix000: Linux has no GENERIC config files. This isn't OpenBSD. Sorry. |
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| 19:09.16 | greycat | use a debian kernel-image or suffer the hardships of Linux configuration |
| 19:09.56 | takatumi | does woody leave the kernel-image .config in /boot/config-2.x.x? |
| 19:10.21 | deadcat | `/topic |
| 19:10.27 | greycat | takatumi: yes |
| 19:10.58 | greycat | takatumi: assuming you have a kernel-image at all. but even the woody installation kernels (which are NOT inside packages, but rather, just left lying about in the file system) have config-* files. |
| 19:11.33 | takatumi | nix000: probably use any available config and build from there then. ^^ |
| 19:11.40 | greycat | takatumi: NO. start from scratch or you will SUFFER. |
| 19:11.44 | greycat | the pain will be profound. |
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| 19:11.45 | greycat | Trust me. |
| 19:11.51 | greycat | I've tried. |
| 19:12.04 | streuner_ | takatumi: wanna my 2.2.19 config out of woody? |
| 19:12.05 | takatumi | greycat: why? are the configs different in woody/sarge? |
| 19:12.30 | greycat | takatumi: they're different FROM DEBIAN TO UPSTREAM. |
| 19:12.53 | greycat | there's no debianized 2.4.30 source, so a debian 2.4.18-* kernel config will not work in an upstream 2.4.30 source tree. |
| 19:12.57 | takatumi | ah, 2.2 and 2.4 may be different. same for 2.4 and 2.6. when jumping versions, start from scratch. |
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| 19:13.07 | superSSS | I downloaded sarge-ISO with bittorrent, where can i check md5sum? |
| 19:13.11 | greycat | That is *precisely* what I meant when I said I had tried, and that you would experience PAIN. |
| 19:13.25 | greycat | Of course, that was back in the 2.4.25-ish days, not 2.4.30, but the principle is the same. |
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| 19:13.41 | takatumi | greycat: the 2.6.x one, I started was from a default sarge kernel. |
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| 19:13.54 | takatumi | it still works, upto 2.6.11 now. |
| 19:13.55 | [TACO] | superSSS: you would need to find the original source of the image |
| 19:13.59 | jaybuffet | why doesnt debian apt have an option similar to emerge where u can compile for the system? |
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| 19:14.08 | paulswm | [TACO]: I hate to discard anything, so I'm running it to run the distributed-net client and to update my custom domains at dyndns, No doubt some day it'll die but it's turing out to be much more robust and reliable than my spouse's less than two year old Dell Inspiron 1100 :( |
| 19:14.09 | nix000 | takatumi, available where ? |
| 19:14.16 | greycat | takatumi: drop a woody config-2.4.18-bf2.4 file in a 2.4.30 tree and try a "make oldconfig" and a "make bzImage". I *dare* you. |
| 19:14.28 | [TACO] | paulswm: its ok, I don't either, I only discard if there is nothing salvagable |
| 19:14.49 | takatumi | greycat: I have actually attempted an oldconfig from a 2.4 to 2.6, didn't last long. |
| 19:15.15 | takatumi | nix000: ignore that, start from scratch. |
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| 19:15.17 | greycat | takatumi: yeah, but I'm talking about something that seemed *to me* at the time that it should have worked: debian 2.4.18 to upstream 2.4.25ish. |
| 19:15.21 | greycat | takatumi: it failed HORRIBLY. |
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| 19:15.52 | [TACO] | takatumi: You ever try to drop a big block engine into a Cavalier without having to adjust the arrangement? This is what greycat is trying to say, you can't do it without changes, you need to start from scratch unless you wanna waste time |
| 19:15.54 | paulswm | [TACO]: My spouse's Dell will be an exeption. When it's replaced, I'm going to melt it. |
| 19:16.05 | greycat | paulswm: hah |
| 19:16.05 | [TACO] | paulswm: why? |
| 19:16.06 | takatumi | greycat: trust me, get one good self selected config going, and your safe for a while. |
| 19:16.07 | nix000 | greycat, there is no debian based distro that does 2.4.30 (yet) ? |
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| 19:16.28 | greycat | nix000: what's in it that you would even *think* about going through all this pain to get it? |
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| 19:16.55 | greycat | takatumi: on that machine. |
| 19:17.03 | takatumi | greycat: for sure. |
| 19:17.10 | nix000 | greycat, no idea .. it would just make me feel safer. if something fails i know i will blame myself for doing the .config |
| 19:17.21 | greycat | !pal nix000 |
| 19:17.30 | paulswm | [TACO]: Because its crap HD blew already, it wouldn't boot with a pretty standard memory upgrade from Mushkin, and now every time I see the Dell logo I want to break something. |
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| 19:18.12 | [TACO] | paulswm: I know the feeling, there are a few Mainstream companies I buy from, and I've never had a problem with HP or Compaq. However, I prefer to build my own when I have time |
| 19:18.37 | [TACO] | nix000: if you really want to take personal resposibility, do what I did, build your kernel from the config to the modules to the end image |
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| 19:18.59 | [TACO] | Linux GroundZero 2.6.11 #3 Thu Apr 7 21:40:40 ADT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:19.36 | [TACO] | nix000: there will be bugs to work out, but thats like working on a car, it takes a few modifications and tweaking |
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| 19:20.02 | [TACO] | nix000: for instance, I had issues with my sounds, got them fixed with a bit of help however it was worth it |
| 19:20.35 | S4nD3r_ | Hi. Id like to know can I lock a password from a user. |
| 19:20.35 | xiaogil | How to make a replace the searched expression /\d\([^0-9.\t]\) by the same with \t between \d and \([^0-9.\t]\) ? |
| 19:20.35 | nix000 | [TACO], thats exactly what i am trying to avoid. This box has to run. not taken down after it starts running. |
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| 19:20.59 | greycat | S4nD3r_: man passwd, man 5 passwd, man shadow, etc. |
| 19:21.00 | S4nD3r_ | Sorry. How do I setup user account, to this user do not change your own password? |
| 19:21.16 | nix000 | [TACO], its no a desktop. its a server desserving 97 angry customers :-( |
| 19:21.20 | greycat | hell, "man passwd" even contains valid data on the VERY FIRST HIT for "lock". |
| 19:21.22 | greycat | you didn't even TRY. |
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| 19:22.04 | [TACO] | nix000: its time you look at all components of the computer and make a good manifest and then derive from that what you need, also look information up |
| 19:22.42 | [TACO] | nix000: how many servers are there? |
| 19:22.49 | paulswm | [TACO]: I build my own boxes, but with regard to laptops, I wish I'd bought my spouse an IBM Thinkpad, I have one for my job and it is just great |
| 19:23.12 | [TACO] | paulswm: I trust IBM as well, but I think they are dropping that sector of IBM |
| 19:23.18 | paulswm | :( |
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| 19:23.35 | [TACO] | paulswm: I believe they are selling that part unfortunately |
| 19:23.38 | paulswm | Well there's got to be someone making non-crap laptops |
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| 19:23.58 | valentinos | how can i install libdvdcss so i can watch my dvd ? |
| 19:23.58 | [TACO] | paulswm: Alienware :D |
| 19:24.16 | [TACO] | valentinos: check for a package in your sources |
| 19:24.30 | [TACO] | valentinos: apt-cache search libdvdcss |
| 19:24.36 | nix000 | [TACO], only one ... and i have to move onto other stuff |
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| 19:25.05 | paulswm | [TACO]: Heh, never heard of them but googled just now. |
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| 19:25.19 | swatikiss_ | i want to upgrade my kernel to a new debian kernel image... what must I do about my nvidia debian packages in the process? - must i remove them , etc. first ? |
| 19:25.26 | [TACO] | nix000: the best way for stability is to build a kernel yourself, not one that supports numerous things that are there to cover the basics |
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| 19:25.42 | sepski | swatikiss, it's described in the nvidia-howto |
| 19:25.56 | sepski | swatikiss, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 19:26.30 | [TACO] | paulswm: Alienware is expensive because its a gaming company, I cannot think of any other companies that make business computers |
| 19:26.33 | swatikiss_ | sepski, ok, must have missed that :p |
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| 19:26.58 | S4nD3r_ | greycat, man passwd doesnt show how deny user to change your own password |
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| 19:27.08 | S4nD3r_ | theres an option just to lock the account |
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| 19:27.17 | [TACO] | paulswm: Sorry, I stand corrected |
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| 19:27.23 | [TACO] | paulswm: they are general computer builders |
| 19:27.23 | greycat | S4nD3r_: then get the source code and have fun. |
| 19:27.31 | S4nD3r_ | I neet to know if its possible to deny user to change your own passord. |
| 19:27.41 | paulswm | [TACO]: I have to admit that their laptops *look* pretty cool, heh |
| 19:27.42 | [TACO] | paulswm: plus they have sexy cases :D |
| 19:27.53 | greycat | S4nD3r_: chmod 755 /usr/bin/passwd would certainly take care of it. |
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| 19:27.57 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r_: that's not a particularly sane thing to do. |
| 19:28.01 | greycat | S4nD3r_: not that I'd recommend that. |
| 19:28.06 | [TACO] | paulswm: the problem is, if they have save $500, that must mean the price is high |
| 19:28.09 | debian | trovo qualche italino |
| 19:28.13 | debian | italiano |
| 19:28.16 | dondelelcaro | !it |
| 19:28.16 | dpkg | it has been said that italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:28.25 | greycat | maybe you could set the thresholds in the pam.d/passwd file to "must contain 128 characters", etc. |
| 19:28.55 | stew | S4nD3r_: or you can muck about in /etc/pam.d/passwd but i'd be very cautious |
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| 19:28.56 | greycat | they'd be *theoretically* able to change it, but ... :) |
| 19:28.56 | [TACO] | paulswm: but again, the best thing is they are expensive because they do not cop out on parts |
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| 19:29.27 | debian | dpkg thank you biscaro! |
| 19:29.27 | vonMiffentrop | I'm new to the Debian way of doing things, so I hope you'll excuse me. Is there an easy tool for choosing which services are to be launced at boot? Such as SSH and Hotplug? |
| 19:29.27 | dpkg | de rien, debian |
| 19:29.33 | paulswm | [TACO]: That's what I want. I buy Mushkin memory becasue they test and grade their chips for example |
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| 19:29.39 | [TACO] | paulswm: for instance, 2100 for a laptop |
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| 19:29.56 | [TACO] | paulswm: keep an eye on tomshardware |
| 19:30.02 | dondelelcaro | vonMiffentrop: update-rc.d, rcconf, file-rc... the list goes on |
| 19:30.06 | deadcat | whats the stable/testing/unstable options in the d-i mean? especially stable. |
| 19:30.08 | paulswm | [TACO]: Will do |
| 19:30.11 | kyncani | vonMiffentrop: i was using sysv-rc-conf before switching to file-rc |
| 19:30.28 | [TACO] | paulswm: and I believe that they have payment plans for alienware |
| 19:30.33 | [TACO] | paulswm: and custom building too |
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| 19:31.47 | [TACO] | paulswm: Not 100% sure but I believe AMD's 939 pins have 2GHz fsb, do not quote me on that |
| 19:31.49 | paulswm | [TACO]: Well perhaps my spouse will get a cool new laptop for Christmas and her Dell will suffer a permanent alien abduction |
| 19:31.51 | S4nD3r_ | I think chmod may be useful. |
| 19:32.00 | vonMiffentrop | dondelelcaro: update-rc.d was exactly what I was looking for, thank you |
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| 19:32.04 | S4nD3r_ | I have another problem... |
| 19:32.06 | S4nD3r_ | hummm... |
| 19:32.16 | S4nD3r_ | I may deny access to chmod command to another users too ? |
| 19:32.18 | S4nD3r_ | hummmm |
| 19:32.37 | [TACO] | paulswm: even though the DELL may have problems, never trash all of it |
| 19:32.46 | [TACO] | paulswm: some components may still be good to keep |
| 19:32.59 | stew | S4nD3r_: you realize users can only chmod files they own, right? |
| 19:33.11 | paulswm | [TACO]: Yes, I am just kidding although I'll never buy anything from them again |
| 19:33.15 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r_: users can only use chmod on their own files. What in the world are you actually trying to do? |
| 19:33.15 | S4nD3r_ | Im at university, then we have a computers room. There are some users which uses the guest password. |
| 19:33.31 | kyncani | S4nD3r_: they should be shot on sight |
| 19:33.58 | S4nD3r_ | Thereare some people who change the own files, folders. |
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| 19:34.12 | S4nD3r_ | Id like to deny those kind of access to these user |
| 19:34.14 | dondelelcaro | guest accounts are yucky. |
| 19:34.19 | S4nD3r_ | yes |
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| 19:34.31 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r_: if you're going to do that, you should have the guest account wiped each new login |
| 19:34.34 | [TACO] | paulswm: if you can read the image, read the bottom right info box, it says system bus |
| 19:34.35 | [TACO] | http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9488%5E9495,00.html |
| 19:34.42 | S4nD3r_ | But here is necessary because we have had some problem |
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| 19:34.53 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r_: furthermore, you probably should be using a restricted shell |
| 19:35.41 | S4nD3r_ | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 19:35.44 | S4nD3r_ | but.... |
| 19:35.47 | dondelelcaro | and it's not like it maters anyway, since the guest account really shouldn't own anything but a temporary directory that gets deleted every time. |
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| 19:35.50 | S4nD3r_ | We dont know yet |
| 19:36.00 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r_: don't know what? |
| 19:36.04 | paulswm | [TACO]: Yes, I read it |
| 19:36.18 | S4nD3r_ | How to restrict shell |
| 19:36.26 | [TACO] | paulswm: I wish that was out when I had bought this computer |
| 19:36.41 | [TACO] | paulswm: I would have opted for one of those for its massive FSB |
| 19:36.52 | [TACO] | but this is a P4HT 800mhzfsb |
| 19:37.57 | [TACO] | paulswm: next computer I'm going to build is going to be a massive fileserver |
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| 19:38.06 | paulswm | Hey, I'm running a Thunderbird 1.33 and an XP 2000+ Thorton core, both with 266 (well 133 x 2) |
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| 19:38.30 | yuanly | hi everybody,me ,to bed!bye |
| 19:39.21 | S4nD3r_ | I will do that later. Thank you very much for all help! |
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| 19:39.22 | [TACO] | I'm running a Pentium 4 3.0GHZ Hyperthreaded Prescott :) |
| 19:39.30 | paulswm | [TACO]: But I'm planning this weekend to make a connection on the Thorton's L2 bridge and up the L2 cache from 256 to 512 :) |
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| 19:39.46 | [TACO] | However, I admittedly say I am running windows XP on it since I'm hardcore gamer. My linux computers outnumber this though |
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| 19:40.03 | agile | anyone have problems removing php5 packages that'd been installed from p.d.o/~dexter ? |
| 19:40.15 | [TACO] | and my programing involves MSVC IDE saving to a shared drive and putty.exe ssh over to linux box and compiling |
| 19:40.23 | agile | like: Error: mod_php5.so does not have a corresponding .info file |
| 19:41.02 | yuanly | bye |
| 19:41.06 | greycat | !pal php5 not-even-ready-for-experimental-yet users |
| 19:41.28 | [TACO] | paulswm: I'm not one that favors one os over the other, however, when it comes to servers, development etc I use Linux |
| 19:42.08 | [TACO] | I never use microsoft compilers/assemblers either |
| 19:42.17 | Overand | agile: http://www.dotdeb.org |
| 19:42.27 | Overand | i've heard a lot of good reports re: php5 packages from dotdeb |
| 19:42.54 | paulswm | [TACO]: I'm not really a gamer, except I like flying flight simulators and war strategy games, but I have a 57" HDTV and 6 speaker theatre, so I have been considering tying in a gaming box, problem is if I get into it I might never do anything else |
| 19:43.14 | agile | Overand, yes, I'm trying to move back to dotdebs. however, I cant seem to remove lib_modphp5 |
| 19:43.44 | [TACO] | paulswm: I am a hardcore one, I have a 19" CRT, Radeon X800 Pro, 4.1 400watt surround sound |
| 19:43.46 | greycat | agile: tried making the missing file yourself by hand? |
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| 19:44.11 | [TACO] | paulswm: and I have all three Recent gaming consoles, and a GBA |
| 19:44.13 | agile | greycat, yes, but I'm not sure exactly what it needs to be named because my attempts havent been successful. |
| 19:44.20 | stew | agile: if i were you, i'd just move back to php4 |
| 19:44.24 | stew | or perl for that matter :) |
| 19:44.39 | [TACO] | stew: I concur on that one :P |
| 19:44.58 | Todd_ | Hi, I know this isn't a debian question but I don't know where else to ask, :) I'm going to install debian later if that helps. My monitor keeps saying no signal all of a sudden and i don't know what to do about it, everything is plugged in tight, I don't care if i have to reset everything i just want it working, any suggestions? |
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| 19:45.14 | deadcat | restrick shell is NOT really restricted. |
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| 19:45.39 | agile | dpkg -r --force-all libapache-mod-php5 doesnt do the trick either |
| 19:45.42 | hns | Todd_, videcard broken |
| 19:45.49 | agile | heh |
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| 19:46.04 | stew | Todd_: can you try a different calbe |
| 19:46.06 | stew | cable |
| 19:46.12 | swatikiss | sepski, i cant see where the nvidia howto talks about the nvidia packages available from Randall Donald's site - i only see where it says that you will have to rebuild the nvidia official installer if you are using that... |
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| 19:46.27 | Todd_ | Hmm, mabye |
| 19:46.47 | Todd_ | I'll have to try that later, anything else to try before that? |
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| 19:47.04 | sean_micken|work | hmm... with sed, how would i replace name="something_here" with name="foo[something_here]" (where something_here is a wildcard) ? |
| 19:47.35 | deadcat | sean_micken|work: example |
| 19:47.43 | stew | Todd_: well the only thing you can relly try is, change cable, change card, change monitor |
| 19:47.59 | stew | Todd_: do you have another machien you can plug the monitor into maybe |
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| 19:48.09 | sean_micken|work | deadcat, replace name="foo" in a file with name="bar[foo]" |
| 19:48.15 | kyncani | sean_micken|work: sed 's/name="\(smthing\)"/name=[\1]/g' i think |
| 19:48.37 | swatikiss | so should i upgrade my kernel first before upgrading the nvidia module or does it matter ? |
| 19:48.51 | deadcat | swatikiss: kernel then nvidia |
| 19:49.07 | Todd_ | stew: one more thing, if this matters, it didn't work one time and i rebooted and it worked fine, then i restarted it again and it never came back on, would that narrow it down? |
| 19:49.11 | swatikiss | deadcat, ok, so if i upgrade my kernel, it will not affect the nvidia driver installed ? |
| 19:49.31 | deadcat | swatikiss: the installed nvidia driver is for CURRENT kernel only |
| 19:49.39 | stew | Todd_: not that i can see |
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| 19:49.51 | [TACO] | Todd_: that could just mean it dropped out, rebooted kicked it back to its feet, then it droped dead right after |
| 19:50.07 | kyncani | sean_micken|work: maybe more like s/name="foo"/name="bar[foo]"/g |
| 19:50.08 | swatikiss | deadcat, ok, so if i install the new kernel and reboot - it will fail to load - at which time i should upgrade that driver ? |
| 19:50.26 | deadcat | swatikiss: ya |
| 19:50.27 | sean_micken|work | kyncani, yes, but i the foo and bar were just an example, anything could be there. |
| 19:50.33 | Todd_ | stew: alright, i'll try those later, thanks for your help |
| 19:50.34 | swatikiss | cool , thanks :) |
| 19:51.07 | sean_micken|work | something like this (but this doesn't work: s/name="(*)"/name="bar[$1]"/g |
| 19:51.33 | kyncani | sean_micken|work: s/\([^[:space:]][^[:space:]]*\)="\([^"]*\)"/\1="bar[\2]"/g |
| 19:51.37 | deadcat | sean_micken|work: i think its .+ |
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| 19:51.51 | deadcat | sean_micken|work: * is for shell wildcard. you want regex wildcard |
| 19:52.12 | deadcat | sean_micken|work: and perl might be easier for this job |
| 19:52.22 | Satty | If I setup a debian install from a distro that is a bit out of date, how hard is it to bring everything current? |
| 19:52.39 | deadcat | Satty: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 19:52.41 | DaCa | sean_micken|work: 's/name="\(.*/)"/name="bar[\1]"/' |
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| 19:52.57 | DaCa | sean_micken|work: 's/name="\(.*\)"/name="bar[\1]"/' |
| 19:53.18 | sperm | can some send the liner for nvida? |
| 19:53.28 | Satty | deadcat will that work if the install is several years out of date |
| 19:53.30 | deadcat | !nvidia oneliner |
| 19:53.38 | sean_micken|work | DaCa, yes, perfect.. thank you. |
| 19:53.41 | deadcat | Satty: ya |
| 19:53.45 | sperm | !nvidia oneliner |
| 19:54.00 | deadcat | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 19:54.06 | deadcat | hmm |
| 19:54.14 | Satty | hot |
| 19:54.20 | sean_micken|work | DaCa, it's being a little greedy though. |
| 19:54.22 | swatikiss | nvidia one-liner i believe |
| 19:54.32 | deadcat | ah |
| 19:54.32 | swatikiss | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:54.32 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 19:54.36 | deadcat | hehe |
| 19:54.40 | swatikiss | ha |
| 19:54.49 | kyncani | sean_micken|work: [^"]* not .* |
| 19:55.10 | sean_micken|work | kyncani, thanks. |
| 19:55.37 | sperm | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 19:55.50 | sperm | what is the best kernal updatefor the nvoda chipset? |
| 19:56.10 | Spec | i don't think that chipset exists :-/ |
| 19:56.14 | Todd_ | wow, what is urandom |
| 19:56.26 | Spec | it's a dev-thingy for giving you random |
| 19:56.36 | Todd_ | oh, heh, don't cat it |
| 19:56.37 | Spec | try 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sound' |
| 19:56.39 | DaCa | Todd_: cat it so you can see :) |
| 19:56.48 | Spec | it's better when it's redirected to sound :p |
| 19:56.49 | DaCa | or hear :) |
| 19:56.50 | deadcat | /dev/dsp |
| 19:56.51 | greycat | Spec: that kernel's obsolete now. install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 instead. |
| 19:56.56 | greycat | s/Spec/sperm/ |
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| 19:57.10 | greycat | sperm: or if you prefer, -k7 or -686 |
| 19:57.12 | Spec | i was about to say, how dare you call my 2.2.6 kernel obsolete! |
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| 19:57.27 | greycat | Spec: don't make me wave my 2.0.40 kernel at you. |
| 19:57.27 | deadcat | hahaha |
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| 19:57.38 | Spec | hehe |
| 19:57.54 | deadcat | antiques |
| 19:57.54 | greycat | is not! |
| 19:57.58 | greycat | imadev:~$ finger @kernel.org |
| 19:57.59 | greycat | The latest 2.0 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.0.40 |
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| 19:58.04 | deadcat | bring them to the antique road show (= |
| 19:58.15 | swatikiss | i have 2.0 on my router :P |
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| 19:58.30 | greycat | I have 3.6 on my router. of course, it ain't linux. |
| 19:58.45 | fflush | hee |
| 19:58.58 | fflush | 2.0 here, no linux either |
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| 19:59.27 | greycat | netbsd? |
| 19:59.45 | greycat | (I hope to god it's not solaris 2.0) |
| 20:00.06 | streuner_ | dos 2.0? |
| 20:00.12 | Spec | I used solaris today for like...my second or third time in my entire life |
| 20:00.16 | fflush | NetBSD 2.0 |
| 20:00.18 | Spec | i don't really like it :-/ |
| 20:00.22 | fflush | :P |
| 20:00.28 | Satty | lol @ 4 year old install |
| 20:00.31 | Satty | failing to update |
| 20:00.36 | fflush | 3.6 whats that? I sure hope its no OPenBSD |
| 20:00.38 | Satty | hold changing source |
| 20:00.38 | fflush | :) |
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| 20:01.00 | Dforge | How does one use apt-get to install a non-free package? Such as ckermit? |
| 20:01.17 | deadcat | Satty: doesnt work? (= |
| 20:01.19 | Spec | add the apt repository to your sources list |
| 20:01.22 | Spec | and, uhh, apt-get it :p |
| 20:01.28 | greycat | fflush: openbsd |
| 20:01.30 | Satty | kernel 2.2.1.3 lol |
| 20:01.34 | Satty | kernel 2.2.13 rather |
| 20:01.38 | streuner_ | Dforge: put a non-free contrib line into /etc/sources.list |
| 20:01.40 | deadcat | Dforge: add non-us contrib to the end of the lines |
| 20:01.43 | Satty | some list somewhere is out of date |
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| 20:01.44 | Dforge | ahh |
| 20:01.45 | Satty | and it's fialing |
| 20:02.05 | deadcat | Satty: what version is that? |
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| 20:02.32 | deadcat | potato? |
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| 20:02.45 | fflush | where I can debs for prabuilt kernel images with XEN 2 support? |
| 20:02.49 | fflush | and xentools also |
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| 20:03.13 | Scrape | Right... so I goofed a bit... does anyone know a quick way to restore all of my rc?.d directories? (init.d are still there) |
| 20:03.20 | fflush | I have NetBSD domain0 and I want to setup debian unprivileged doamins |
| 20:03.37 | drac | Scrape: reinstall. |
| 20:03.44 | deadcat | Scrape: reinstall the base packages |
| 20:04.12 | Satty | not sure i dont remember when i looked |
| 20:04.14 | Satty | stupid thing died on me |
| 20:04.18 | Satty | and booted it back to windows 95 |
| 20:04.22 | Scrape | hm... not really an option, I'm behind a much slower than dialup line at the moment |
| 20:04.32 | Spec | (Scrape: restore from your backups, of course. You do have backups, right?) |
| 20:04.45 | Scrape | I'm thinking that I can run through /var/lib/dpkg/info and use the update-rc.d command |
| 20:04.48 | deadcat | Spec: you backup /etc/rc?.d ? |
| 20:04.57 | Spec | i backup everything with mondo/mindi |
| 20:05.01 | Scrape | Spec: this is my laptop, and I'm in a 3rd world-ish country at the moment |
| 20:05.14 | Spec | can you burn 3-4 cds in third world countries? |
| 20:05.27 | sperm | what is the newest kernel out as we speak? |
| 20:05.36 | Spec | which kernel? |
| 20:05.42 | sperm | 2.8.6? |
| 20:05.45 | Satty | but yeah potato |
| 20:05.46 | Spec | hurd? |
| 20:05.47 | sperm | or is there a newer one? |
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| 20:06.06 | deadcat | damn 2.8 is out? |
| 20:06.22 | sperm | i dunno |
| 20:06.25 | Scrape | Spec: I could, if I had a cd burner |
| 20:06.25 | sperm | that is why i am asking |
| 20:06.32 | deadcat | Spec: kernel.org |
| 20:06.33 | sperm | i am tring to get this damn nvidia card to workl |
| 20:06.36 | sperm | with openGL support |
| 20:06.38 | deadcat | sperm: kernel.org |
| 20:06.40 | sperm | and this is pissing me off. |
| 20:06.51 | Spec | you can't just scrape the back of the cds with a sharp object? :) |
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| 20:07.28 | deadcat | !tell sperm about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:08.12 | Scrape | Spec: well, I tried, but the filesystems I got were fairly unreliable ;-) |
| 20:08.25 | greycat | sperm: what CPU do you have? |
| 20:08.35 | Scrape | I applied an 'xargs rm' w/o double checking my command... as root |
| 20:08.46 | greycat | Scrape: next time, xargs echo rm |
| 20:08.52 | deadcat | Scrape: you deserved to be fucked. (= |
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| 20:09.27 | sperm | i have adm 1.5ghz |
| 20:09.31 | [TACO] | greycat: asterix told me what zip it was and that zip contained a *.bin file, and trying to explain that to him thats not a manual for his device when he can barely understand english is hard |
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| 20:09.39 | greycat | sperm: so install kernel-image-2.4-k7 |
| 20:09.53 | Spec | Ah, the current release of the kernel seems to be version 0.2 |
| 20:09.57 | greycat | sperm: and then reboot, and then the nvidia one-liner should work |
| 20:10.08 | sperm | fuck i just installed the the wrong kernal i think again |
| 20:10.29 | greycat | sperm: 2.6 may work, or may not. I'm not sure. |
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| 20:10.47 | greycat | if you want to try it, install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 20:11.45 | sperm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:12.21 | deadcat | anyone using torsmo and able to get the weather to show? they have a screenshot with weather but i dont see it in the man page or config file. |
| 20:12.32 | sperm | i am doing that now. |
| 20:12.42 | sperm | woohoo... |
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| 20:12.58 | grigora | is anyone using mod_dosevasive? is mod_dosevasive supposed to remove the lock file after a while or no? thanks |
| 20:12.59 | streuner | deadcat: why not just using gkrellm instead? |
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| 20:13.34 | deadcat | streuner: gkerllm sucks. and ugly too. |
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| 20:13.56 | deadcat | streuner: currenly using the firefox plugin. )= |
| 20:13.56 | streuner | deadcat: there are many themes available :-P |
| 20:14.09 | deadcat | streuner: tried them all. NONE look good to me. |
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| 20:14.31 | deadcat | streuner: and the wm weather applets are bad too. |
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| 20:15.50 | Dforge | argh - I'm still unable to install ckermit with the non-US mirror. It says package not found. http://packages.debian.org/testing/comm/ckermit shows it. |
| 20:16.26 | deadcat | streuner: feel free to use this config: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.torsmorc |
| 20:16.40 | Spec | oo, oo, can i use it too? |
| 20:16.48 | Spec | or do i have to feel extorted to use it? :-/ |
| 20:16.50 | deadcat | Spec: if you're good (= |
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| 20:16.57 | greycat | WHY is it that whenever a newbie gets N answers, one of which is different (and wrong) from the other N-1, he *always* tries to use the 1 wrong answer? |
| 20:17.31 | Spec | Oh, i thought you were goin to say why is it whenever a newbie gets N answers he asks N^2 more questions |
| 20:17.33 | deadcat | (= rebels (= |
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| 20:18.08 | zinx | Spec: usually, it's when a newbie asks N questions, you have to ask him (10*N)^2 to find out what he really means |
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| 20:18.22 | supaman | only stupid people dont ask questions ... |
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| 20:18.55 | p8m | Many people just don't know how to communicate, particularly when it comes to technical issues. |
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| 20:19.05 | Spec | what's western003 folders, etc etc, deadcat? |
| 20:19.20 | deadcat | Spec: change those. they are my western digital hds |
| 20:19.22 | greycat | Dforge: "non-us" was the *one* wrong answer. A simple think-o. |
| 20:19.34 | Spec | i should probably read the config :) |
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| 20:20.00 | Longkong | Hi |
| 20:20.12 | deadcat | Hi |
| 20:20.27 | Longkong | Is it worth for a small (5 Developers) project to swich from CVS to SVN? |
| 20:20.49 | deadcat | Longkong: no wrong or right. |
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| 20:21.10 | sperm | there ios one problem when i do the nvida one liner guys |
| 20:21.16 | Dforge | greycat: I attempted to follow the instructions on the main debian page. I'll just install it manually |
| 20:21.21 | chealer | Longkong: maybe you should ask #svn, but it's always easier when it's smaller |
| 20:21.41 | sperm | More than one copy of package nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-k7 has been unpacked |
| 20:21.41 | sperm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.41 | sperm | Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-k7 (1.0.7174-3+2.6.8-15) ... |
| 20:21.49 | sperm | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 20:22.06 | drac | In case anyone is intrested.. I was asking about getting ALSA to work with my Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]. Tried with and without ACPI. Final solution was.. changing physical location of the card in motherboard. :P |
| 20:22.14 | drac | and no more IRQ probs. |
| 20:22.21 | greycat | !find kermit sarge |
| 20:22.23 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kermit' (2): ckermit ;; gkermit. |
| 20:22.28 | greycat | !info ckermit sarge |
| 20:22.30 | dpkg | ckermit: (a serial and network communications package), section non-free/comm, is extra. Version: 211-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1587 kB, Installed size: 3016 kB |
| 20:22.40 | greycat | !non-free |
| 20:22.40 | dpkg | [non-free] always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html or tack non-free to the end of your usual "main" source to install stuff like navigator. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a ... |
| 20:23.03 | sperm | ??? |
| 20:23.15 | chealer | sperm: fix what? |
| 20:23.24 | sperm | chealer, can i msg you? |
| 20:23.26 | deadcat | streuner: any luck on weather? |
| 20:23.30 | chealer | sperm: no |
| 20:23.35 | sperm | i have channel that i spam in |
| 20:23.36 | sperm | for a sec. |
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| 20:23.42 | sperm | to give you the eroor msg's |
| 20:23.50 | sperm | error |
| 20:23.52 | deadcat | streuner: http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/shot4.png |
| 20:23.59 | streuner | deadcat: i downloaded toresmo yet |
| 20:24.09 | sperm | More than one copy of package nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-k7 has been unpacked |
| 20:24.09 | sperm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.12 | greycat | sperm: so? |
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| 20:25.19 | chealer | sperm: paste it on #flood |
| 20:25.22 | sperm | i did let me reconfigure |
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| 20:26.22 | sperm | pasted the info |
| 20:26.26 | sperm | anyone? |
| 20:26.27 | XaSE | How do i start a program and send all text to /dev/null ? ./dasdas > /dev/null or? |
| 20:26.28 | sperm | any ideas? |
| 20:26.36 | Spec | what's that thing about torsmo and weather something? |
| 20:26.40 | chealer | sperm: I don't see the problem |
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| 20:26.56 | sperm | how can i build the mod tho |
| 20:27.26 | sperm | the Glx drivers work |
| 20:27.28 | chealer | sperm: did you reconfigure X? |
| 20:27.39 | sperm | can you give me the command line for that? |
| 20:27.44 | Dforge | greycat: Sigh, It's only non-free if you use it for external purposes. |
| 20:27.59 | sperm | dpkg? |
| 20:28.05 | streuner | deadcat: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Torsmo |
| 20:28.07 | sperm | dpkg xf96 |
| 20:28.13 | chealer | sperm: there's no simple command. did you check the debian-nvidia howto? |
| 20:28.25 | deadcat | streuner: cool. |
| 20:28.27 | chealer | !drxx sperm |
| 20:28.28 | dpkg | sperm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:28.56 | chealer | sperm: you'll need to do that and provide the good answers anyway |
| 20:28.58 | sperm | chealer? do i put it a nv driver? |
| 20:29.00 | sperm | or what? |
| 20:29.04 | chealer | nvidia |
| 20:29.08 | chealer | (not nv) |
| 20:29.13 | Dforge | How does one install a .deb package manually in debian? |
| 20:29.19 | streuner | deadcat: a screenshot how it looks: http://themes.freshmeat.net/screenshots/53036/56944/ |
| 20:29.23 | chealer | dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 20:29.29 | Dforge | thnaks |
| 20:29.43 | deadcat | streuner: ah. i thought it was part of torsmo. |
| 20:29.44 | sperm | the bus id was not found leave it blank? |
| 20:29.55 | chealer | sperm: as it says, indeed |
| 20:30.02 | Spec | ah, that's crazy awesome (weather+torsmo) |
| 20:30.12 | streuner | deadcat: well, that dude runs the wrong distro, but it looks nice ;-) |
| 20:30.26 | Flimzy | I have a 16"x16" PNG I need to print to multiple 8.5"x11" sheets. Is there a program that will easily split the image to print to separate pages that I could then reassemble? |
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| 20:30.37 | deadcat | streuner: hehe |
| 20:31.04 | sperm | chealer, are you lookingin flood? |
| 20:31.08 | sperm | in #flood even |
| 20:31.14 | zaikxtox | hello. someone used acl tools on debian? when i use the setfacl -R -m myuser:rwX directory it sets the execution bit on files too |
| 20:31.18 | chealer | sperm: if you paste something yes |
| 20:31.22 | sperm | the dri drivers are still fucked. |
| 20:31.43 | sperm | what is the command to build the mods. |
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| 20:32.10 | chealer | sperm: module-assistant build nvidia |
| 20:32.22 | chealer | sperm: although this only builds one module |
| 20:32.54 | sperm | it dose the whole thing twice thoi |
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| 20:32.56 | chealer | sperm: you most likely didn't choose the right X modules |
| 20:33.11 | chealer | twice :? |
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| 20:33.37 | chealer | sperm: you're restarting X after using dpkg-reconfigure, right? |
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| 20:33.48 | sperm | nope |
| 20:33.50 | sperm | lol |
| 20:33.56 | sperm | that might be why eh? |
| 20:34.02 | sperm | killall -HUP gdm? |
| 20:34.09 | chealer | might would be an understatement |
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| 20:34.20 | Scrape | Hooo boy... okay... I've run, I think, the applicable update-rc.d scripts from /var/lib/dpkg/info... hopefully I've reconstructed /etc/rc?.d |
| 20:34.30 | chealer | sperm: there are less brutal ways. what's your display manager? |
| 20:34.37 | sperm | gdm |
| 20:34.47 | chealer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:35.01 | XaSE | How do i start a program and send all text to /dev/null ? ./dasdas > /dev/null or? |
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| 20:35.35 | chealer | XaSE: yes, that will redirect stdout to /dev/null |
| 20:36.02 | FarrisG | how bad an idea would it be to create links in /usr/local/bin/ to everything in /usr/bin/? |
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| 20:37.15 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: it would be totally and utterly pointless. |
| 20:37.50 | sperm | lemme try with again chealer |
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| 20:38.19 | simonm | In which file does mozilla thunderbird store information about my accounts and my folders? Seem this file is lost after the system was frozen |
| 20:38.22 | sperm | chealer, same shit |
| 20:39.00 | miyo | simonm: You know the dir already? |
| 20:39.08 | *** part/#debian paulswm (unknown@103.99.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 20:39.29 | simonm | miyo, no, i don't |
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| 20:39.35 | simonm | or which dir do you mean? |
| 20:40.17 | miyo | simonm: $ÂHOME/.thunderbird/ |
| 20:40.24 | miyo | simonm: That should get you started. |
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| 20:40.36 | miyo | oops. $HOME/.thunderbird/ of course. |
| 20:40.45 | chealer | I think it's ~/.mozilla-thunderbird |
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| 20:40.54 | nSe | wordtrans can be configured in order to pop-up a little window such as in babylon? |
| 20:40.58 | simonm | miyo, yes, i know; there are lots of files, and i want to know which one I am missing or which one is corrupted |
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| 20:42.05 | chealer | simonm: did you try asking on irc.mozilla.org's #thunderbird first? I'm not saying they're always helpful |
| 20:42.37 | simonm | chealer, no, didn't know about it; I'll give it a try, thank you |
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| 20:43.37 | ningo | somone here knows of a "libfpl" ? |
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| 20:44.38 | sperm | dose anyone know how to setup openGL |
| 20:44.42 | sperm | openGL |
| 20:44.49 | sperm | its pissing me off more and more now. |
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| 20:45.01 | maxithron | ningo: you mean the bot? |
| 20:45.10 | ningo | wich bot? |
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| 20:45.43 | dbron | hi all, I use mutt with imap and it has worked fine with cyrus. I have it set up with another server now, but it doesn't download the headers for the folders under INBOX. Anyone know how to make that happen? |
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| 20:46.31 | maxithron | ningo: nothing, sorry, i understand wrongly :( |
| 20:46.39 | deadline | hi, can someone help me setting up a mouse with navigator buttons? imwheel installed? |
| 20:47.17 | Empty | what is a GUI-enabled video editor than can painlessly make VCD-compliant MPGs? |
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| 20:47.31 | Borg^Queen | Hello people. |
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| 20:48.22 | nix000 | #@$% initrd. i did create evrything right i am still getting kernel panic ! |
| 20:48.43 | Borg^Queen | I've noticed an odd behavior in Debian, Sarge. In RH9.0 I have my zip sda zip drive set to auto. However, in Sarge I need to specify vfat. Why is that? |
| 20:49.12 | nix000 | is anyone aware of some problems with mkinitrd and 2.4.30 ? |
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| 20:50.11 | nydust | !egroupware |
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| 20:50.40 | Elmarco | hi all, can someone help me ? i have a little problem with a debian sid (linux 2.6.11.6) when i run mozilla after +-5 min the system crash, i can't alt+ctrl+f1 etc my last syslog line is "fatal : error running install command for sound_slot_2 & 3" <-?? |
| 20:50.42 | miyo | nix000: Depends what kind of problems are you talking about. |
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| 20:52.01 | thingfish | Elmarco: is the system stable for long periods if you don't open mozilla? |
| 20:52.21 | Elmarco | yeah i can play warcraft 3 use gaim etc |
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| 20:52.54 | thingfish | well that's good then, more likely software than hardware. |
| 20:53.17 | nix000 | miyo, it just does not see the file system at all. i used a fresh kernel 2.4.30 and mkinitrd. i even made the kernel have reiserfs as included |
| 20:53.21 | thingfish | Elmarco: have you looked at bts? |
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| 20:53.32 | Elmarco | bts? |
| 20:53.33 | nix000 | miyo, my fs is reiserfs by the way. |
| 20:53.36 | Radiance | any one using keypebble and had the famous "host cannot be found" ? |
| 20:53.38 | jethro | !bts |
| 20:53.38 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:53.43 | Elmarco | what is that :p |
| 20:53.48 | jethro | ^^ |
| 20:53.49 | miyo | nix000: system description might help? S-ATA disks? |
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| 20:54.01 | miyo | nix000: to to forget all the other details.... |
| 20:54.10 | nix000 | miyo, yes |
| 20:54.47 | nix000 | miyo, this is a dell 750 machine. |
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| 20:54.59 | DaHooD | !thx |
| 20:54.59 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 20:55.09 | DaHooD | !u |
| 20:55.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 20:56.40 | Covener | Anyone know why the 3270 clients don't seemed to be packaged in any release since stable? |
| 20:56.44 | miyo | nix000: You have sata-disks? |
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| 20:57.13 | nix000 | miyo, yes i have sata-disks |
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| 20:58.31 | miyo | nix000: I had the same trouble at some point. |
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| 20:58.52 | dondelelcaro | Covener: usually it's because no maintainer is willing to maintain them or one requested their removal. |
| 20:58.57 | miyo | nix000: What is your distribution? stable (woody), testing (sarge), unstable (sid) ? |
| 20:59.28 | nix000 | miyo, i am using woody. |
| 20:59.43 | dondelelcaro | Covener: you should probably still be able to install them and use them. If not, you can always get the orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz and build them against whatever Debian version you are using. |
| 20:59.47 | si|vercat | å9 |
| 20:59.50 | miyo | nix000: hmm... not so familiar with that. |
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| 21:00.05 | miyo | nix000: you might need to check /etc/mkinitrd/ |
| 21:00.21 | si|vercat | the alt-button seems to hang in games.. :( |
| 21:00.41 | miyo | nix000: I am running Sid |
| 21:01.10 | miyo | nix000: with /etc/mkinitrd you can tweak how mkinitrd workds. |
| 21:01.10 | dondelelcaro | Covener: it looks like they're in non-free, so that's probably why. Few maintainers are willing to bother with maintaining non-free software. I know I'm not. |
| 21:01.15 | miyo | s/workds/works/ |
| 21:01.35 | Siempre | hola, son balas los que no entienden y esos son elos que no me contestan |
| 21:01.52 | streuner | !es |
| 21:01.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:02.23 | Siempre | I m speak in english, too |
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| 21:02.45 | streuner | prolly better than my spanish |
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| 21:03.38 | miyo | streuner: If you ask in spanish, I will reply in finnish *grin* |
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| 21:03.48 | thingfish | that would be cool! |
| 21:03.53 | miyo | s/streuner/Siempre/ of course |
| 21:04.18 | jethro | and I ll reply in morse code |
| 21:04.20 | streuner | Siempre: just ask |
| 21:04.22 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:04.27 | Siempre | bye |
| 21:04.37 | Siempre | im not eniendows |
| 21:04.38 | Siempre | je |
| 21:04.39 | Siempre | hcau+ |
| 21:04.41 | Siempre | putas |
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| 21:05.07 | thingfish | Siempre is a tad unpleasant. |
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| 21:05.22 | streuner | thingfish: proud |
| 21:05.23 | jethro | I don't speak spanish but I think I got the last word ok |
| 21:05.43 | thingfish | yes, putas = whores |
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| 21:07.51 | jfa | mariela, me salí sin querer. |
| 21:07.58 | Rawplayer | k |
| 21:08.01 | jfa | Mariele: del programa :-) |
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| 21:08.13 | problemboy | does anyone know a good forum for knoppix hdinstalled help for beginners? |
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| 21:08.27 | Mariele | ik ok |
| 21:08.28 | Mariele | is |
| 21:08.34 | thingfish | problemboy: I would think #knoppix |
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| 21:08.39 | Mariele | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:09.09 | problemboy | thank you thingfish, but they cannot help me |
| 21:09.16 | maxithron | anyone: im trying to install enlightenment 0.17 and i have this rep: soulmachine.net but doesnt work... any suggest? |
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| 21:09.41 | thingfish | problemboy: that's unfortunate. |
| 21:09.55 | thingfish | Most unfortunate. |
| 21:09.59 | anhi | maxithron: apt-get.org but e17 is just eye candy right now, not really useable (i'd say) |
| 21:10.10 | problemboy | I know |
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| 21:10.46 | thingfish | problemboy: install debian, and you can get all the help you need. |
| 21:10.51 | maxithron | i just take that rep for apt-get.org...but unfortunately seems be down |
| 21:10.52 | masf | hi, i can't hear the divx movie in totem, how can is solve it???? |
| 21:10.59 | peterS | that was *always* the point of E. I don't think anyone ever wanted it to be *usable* |
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| 21:11.20 | thingfish | problemboy: with debian-installer being so easy, there's no reason to not install debian. |
| 21:11.48 | problemboy | yes, but I have knoppix installed a year ago and don't want a new install... |
| 21:12.07 | dhuv | quit |
| 21:12.11 | Elmarco | try windows xp lol |
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| 21:12.44 | problemboy | elmarco i guess thats the only solution for me atm :-( |
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| 21:13.48 | masf | i use debian. what plugin need i for hearing my divx in totem????? |
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| 21:14.17 | maxithron | masf w32codecs may help? |
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| 21:14.29 | phogg | masf: depends on the format of the audio in the file you're playing. Probably you need a WMA codec |
| 21:14.36 | Elmarco | try windows media player on wine :-) |
| 21:14.47 | maxithron | Elmarco, :D |
| 21:14.53 | loren | rofl XD |
| 21:14.54 | problemboy | nobody who knows a good forum or something? |
| 21:14.56 | masf | no. the file isn't wma |
| 21:15.01 | loren | elmarco: Windows on Wine, wow that's a laugh |
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| 21:15.45 | tarzeau | problemboy: there's lists.debian.org |
| 21:15.51 | tarzeau | problemboy: this is not #gentoo |
| 21:16.03 | tarzeau | problemboy: forums on the web are a terrible wrong thing |
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| 21:16.40 | problemboy | hm ok, sorry |
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| 21:16.59 | chealer | does somebody know a doc that advocates the conception that "forums on the web are a terrible wrong thing"? |
| 21:17.30 | masf | thanks |
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| 21:18.07 | takatumi | chealer: isn't it just obvious? |
| 21:18.14 | tarzeau | takatumi: hey ;) |
| 21:18.37 | chealer | takatumi: not for me |
| 21:18.38 | takatumi | tarzeau: howdy pardner? |
| 21:18.57 | notty | i get this error [Fri Apr 08 23:20:07 2005] [error] [client 193.19.192.160] client denied by server configuration: proxy:http://192.168.20.10/favicon.ico.. where can i be wrong ? |
| 21:19.08 | problemboy | but where else can I get help? i posted already to a newsgroup from lists.debian.org but didn't get an answer |
| 21:19.12 | tarzeau | takatumi: perfect it's weekend. will get some visitor on monday, and have a nice day tomorrow (no matter how much rain is going to fall on the earth) |
| 21:19.20 | thingfish | notty: opening evolution? |
| 21:19.20 | tarzeau | takatumi: what's weather like at you? |
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| 21:19.34 | tarzeau | problemboy: when did you post? a minute ago? |
| 21:19.41 | notty | thingfish: apache2 |
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| 21:19.43 | tarzeau | problemboy: do you have a link to your posting? |
| 21:19.57 | takatumi | tarzeau: enjoy :) |
| 21:20.04 | EMH_Mark3 | helo.. I'm looking for an xfree86 equivalent of the screen program.. can anyone suggest something? |
| 21:20.05 | tarzeau | problemboy: did you post to the right place? did you formulate your posting correct? |
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| 21:20.14 | tarzeau | takatumi: sure will do so |
| 21:20.15 | problemboy | no yesterday, but it is in german |
| 21:20.19 | humbolt | I can change the contents of a dir, at least the names of them, even when I do not own the files? Is that normal and due to the fact that I have write prems on the folder and due to everything being a file the folder is a file holding the filenames of the files in it so I can change the name? |
| 21:20.23 | tarzeau | problemboy: fine for me. link? |
| 21:20.39 | tarzeau | humbolt: yes. |
| 21:20.46 | problemboy | in de.comp.os.unix.x11 the last post |
| 21:21.04 | takatumi | chealer: forums.gentoo.org withdrawal syndrome? |
| 21:21.11 | tarzeau | problemboy: i mean like i link i can copy paste in my browser or at least wit subject/posteremailaddress? |
| 21:21.54 | DaCa | EMH_Mark3: screen is a windowmanager, there are tons of windowmanagers for X |
| 21:22.00 | Jims | If I want to set environment variables, would I put them in /etc/profile or is this file only for the shell? |
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| 21:22.38 | chealer | takatumi: what do you mean, I never visited the Gentoo forums |
| 21:22.47 | WiFiTux | someone with cygwin here and accessing his box with XWin.exe? |
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| 21:23.09 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: i use another x server on windows, yes |
| 21:23.39 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/ and sshx.html |
| 21:23.51 | EMH_Mark3 | DaCa: huh? I mean 'screen' as in the console manager |
| 21:23.51 | tarzeau | Jims: not if you got zsh |
| 21:24.02 | tarzeau | Jims: if it was zsh, you'd put it in /etc/zsh/zprofile |
| 21:24.11 | notty | i get this error in apache log [Fri Apr 08 23:20:07 2005] [error] [client 193.19.192.160] client denied by server configuration: proxy:http://192.168.20.10/favicon.ico.. where can i be wrong ? |
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| 21:24.30 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: I have cygwin and need to access my solaris box with it. I can, but everything that comes up is a grey screen with a cursos. |
| 21:24.33 | WiFiTux | cursor |
| 21:24.43 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: can you make a screenshot? |
| 21:25.07 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: solaris on x86 or sparc? which version of it? and why , it's weekend, you ain't a masochist are you? |
| 21:25.28 | Elmarco | good night all |
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| 21:25.34 | thingfish | ciao |
| 21:25.34 | DaCa | EMH_Mark3: yeah, I know what screen is, it does a lot of things, what functionality of screen are you looking for? |
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| 21:25.50 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: hehe Solaris 8, yes I can make a screenie. and SparcIII 1.5g |
| 21:26.01 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: how do I restart X in solaris? |
| 21:26.05 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: cool, show us screenshot |
| 21:26.18 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: stop-a, boot |
| 21:26.27 | WiFiTux | hhmm |
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| 21:27.06 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: maybe your x window server is configured wrong? or your windows system? |
| 21:27.27 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: I can see X but like with no Icons. |
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| 21:27.38 | problemboy | tarzeau it's http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=de&lr=&group=de.comp.os.unix.x11&selm=d34nkr%24igh%241%40online.de |
| 21:27.44 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: well, what about haha you're funny, you start something, say xterm ? |
| 21:28.30 | tarzeau | problemboy: knoppix is not debian. mr. knopper has an absolutely messed up /etc/apt/sources.list mixture of different architectures and 3rd party packages |
| 21:28.45 | tarzeau | problemboy: so it's absolutely no wonder apt can not work as intended on any knoppix system |
| 21:29.03 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: http://linuxwireless.org/gaby/screeie.jpg |
| 21:29.13 | problemboy | I know, but this doesn't help me either |
| 21:29.18 | tarzeau | problemboy: is installing debian a problem for you? |
| 21:29.28 | tarzeau | problemboy: well isntall debian or something that iis more near to it than knoppix |
| 21:29.31 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: how, there is nothing. |
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| 21:29.43 | tarzeau | problemboy: i and my friends use the gnustep live cd (which is very near to debian, but sid!!!) |
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| 21:29.52 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: well, that's x |
| 21:30.02 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: now start "xterm" and a xterm window will appear |
| 21:30.04 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: read my doc? |
| 21:30.08 | WiFiTux | how |
| 21:30.08 | problemboy | no, but knoppix hasbeen running for a year or so and i thought a new install would be a lot of configuration, too |
| 21:30.10 | EMH_Mark3 | DaCa: basically I'd like to be able to run x11 apps on a machine and being able to display them on another machine.. kinda like what ssh with x11 forwarding does, but with the ability to connect/disconnect from the apps while leaving them running on the server |
| 21:30.16 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 21:30.25 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: you can also start, say wmaker, amiwm or fvwm2 |
| 21:30.52 | tarzeau | problemboy: the point is if you have debian (the real and only official one) you won't ever reinstall it |
| 21:31.04 | tarzeau | problemboy: but with knoppix, you are doomed that it won't ever work |
| 21:31.07 | tarzeau | problemboy: see /topic ? |
| 21:31.35 | DaCa | EMH_Mark3: I am afraid you can't get the same flexibility for that as you have with screen, probably using vnc is the closest you can get |
| 21:31.35 | tarzeau | damn where is the topic entry about knoppix/ubuntu are not debian? |
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| 21:32.43 | chealer | tarzeau: I guess it was stripped because of server problems and /topic length limit |
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| 21:33.00 | EMH_Mark3 | DaCa: sure? I thought I heard of something that did exactly that.. but I can't remember what it was called :| |
| 21:33.02 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: I'm lost. :| |
| 21:33.07 | problemboy | ok, so i fear really must switch back to windows completetly :-( |
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| 21:33.26 | problemboy | thank you anyhow |
| 21:33.27 | tarzeau | chealer: it was very important |
| 21:33.43 | tarzeau | problemboy: yes i think so. you're welcome, but wait |
| 21:33.49 | Kamel | i downloaded debian, got to installing, there was a currupt file, so i download and burn a second time and i get another one, not the same file, but a currupt file. is debian really picky or something? |
| 21:33.56 | tarzeau | problemboy: try it at least, http://livecd.gnustep.org/ ;) |
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| 21:34.05 | streuner_ | tarzeau: many people don't read the /topic at all :-P |
| 21:34.17 | tarzeau | Kamel: no it's not. is your mirror broken? |
| 21:34.29 | Kamel | no, i got it from 2 diff mirrors |
| 21:34.33 | chealer | tarzeau: yes, maybe replacing java with that would be good |
| 21:34.34 | tarzeau | streuner_: i do, and if it's there i can dpkg topicsmite it on ignorant people |
| 21:34.47 | tarzeau | chealer: full ack |
| 21:34.57 | Kamel | tarzeau: i am actually beginning to suspect it's my cd-r's, i'm burning this one at 16x to be safe |
| 21:35.10 | Kamel | i just wanted to know if it was a common problem or something |
| 21:35.33 | tarzeau | Kamel: burn it 8x |
| 21:35.39 | tarzeau | Kamel: cd-rw or cd-r media? |
| 21:35.47 | tarzeau | Kamel: the cheapest? what color? what drive? |
| 21:35.57 | tarzeau | Kamel: where did you download it from? |
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| 21:36.19 | Kamel | tarzeau: cd-r, it's not bad media, but not the best |
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| 21:36.32 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: you have a sample command to run wm? Now this is remotely. |
| 21:36.33 | Kamel | tarzeau: downloading from ftp-mirror.internap.com |
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| 21:37.33 | tarzeau | Kamel: that is not an official debian mirror |
| 21:37.40 | tarzeau | Kamel: use an official one, and check the md5 sum of the iso |
| 21:37.46 | selam | hi all.. |
| 21:37.47 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: wmaker & |
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| 21:39.18 | streuner_ | fuck, he already running windows... |
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| 21:42.33 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 21:42.46 | Kamel | tarzeau: i'm aware it's not official, that's why i can download at acceptable speeds from it |
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| 21:45.28 | shingoki | Whats the easiest way to make a new user? |
| 21:45.29 | ArchitectSinan | I still want to dist-upgrade from woody to sarge. i'm following exactyl "dpkg" bots instruction. I installed aptitude and changed the "stable" keywords to "sarge" in /etc/apt/sources.list. And "aptitude update"d the system. Finally "aptitude dist-upgrade" give me som "unmet dependencies" screen. I found a page related with the problem in a mailing list archive: http://blug.brown.edu/pipermail/discuss/2003-July/001061.html . A fr |
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| 21:45.35 | ArchitectSinan | sorry |
| 21:45.40 | streuner_ | shingoki: adduser |
| 21:46.01 | shingoki | I've added the suer I think, its just all the other stuff, home directory etc. |
| 21:46.07 | shingoki | I expected the gnome thing to do that for me |
| 21:46.49 | shingoki | user, not suer :) |
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| 21:47.25 | streuner_ | ArchitectSinan: there are still bugs in sarge, /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:47.28 | shingoki | sorry im being stupid, it has done that |
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| 21:47.56 | ArchitectSinan | question continues: And my "dpgk -l | grep -v ^ii" returned a few packages that i already uninstalled. These packages are the dotdeb.org's PHP5 related packages. I checked with "dselect" and they all removed . Why does "dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii" returns these packages ? Is this the source of my "unmet dependencies" problem ? |
| 21:48.15 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: thx |
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| 21:48.49 | streuner_ | ArchitectSinan: well, if you have unoffcial sources-lines you have to live with that |
| 21:49.08 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: btw, i think woody->sarge dist-upgrade should be a well known, stable process. there shouldn't be a bug in this process i think ? |
| 21:49.13 | streuner_ | ArchitectSinan: use, if possible, only official ones |
| 21:49.53 | streuner_ | ArchitectSinan: there are bugs, even if they are not reported in BTS |
| 21:50.03 | streuner_ | if you upgrade to sarge |
| 21:50.04 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: i need php5 and we don't have PHP5 official packages yet. What do you suggest me to run PHP5 on my debian box ? |
| 21:50.25 | streuner_ | upgrade to sarge and install the packages then |
| 21:50.37 | SuperSox | Don't know if anyone knows about this, but if I was to take the debian logo, would I be able to place it on like a t-shirt and sell it? the 'licence' doesn't really state that such a thing is allowed or disallowed |
| 21:50.56 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: this is what i want to do. but i couldn't be able to upgrade to sarge :( |
| 21:51.03 | streuner_ | ArchitectSinan: after you have finished the upgrade-process |
| 21:51.18 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: i hope i will :] |
| 21:51.23 | streuner_ | ArchitectSinan: sure, many people did that |
| 21:51.36 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: but i stucked now |
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| 21:51.53 | streuner_ | ArchitectSinan: /j #flood |
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| 21:52.04 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: with my big "PreDepends: libperl5.8 (= 5.8.0-17) but it is not installable |
| 21:52.06 | ArchitectSinan | " |
| 21:52.07 | ArchitectSinan | lines |
| 21:52.14 | ArchitectSinan | it's an example one |
| 21:52.24 | streuner_ | is that part of php5? |
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| 21:52.43 | ArchitectSinan | btw, this package is not from my error list |
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| 21:52.58 | ArchitectSinan | i took it from http://blug.brown.edu/pipermail/discuss/2003-July/001061.html page as an example |
| 21:53.09 | ArchitectSinan | here are my PreDepends package examples : |
| 21:53.16 | streuner_ | no |
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| 21:53.34 | streuner_ | just /join #flood and tell us the output there |
| 21:53.52 | ArchitectSinan | i'm not going to copy-paste all of them :) |
| 21:53.55 | deadline | what is the xkeyboard event for the mouse scroll wheel up/down ? |
| 21:54.24 | streuner_ | s/tell/show/ |
| 21:54.51 | streuner_ | ArchitectSinan: we need the first error |
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| 21:55.01 | deadline | streuner_: ? |
| 21:55.42 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: e2fsprogs(e2fslibs, libblkid1, libcomerr2, libss2, libuuid1), coreutils ( libacl1), sysvinit (initscripts, sysv-rc, file-rc) |
| 21:55.43 | streuner_ | no idea |
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| 21:56.21 | streuner_ | ArchitectSinan: those lines are some packages, but not errors |
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| 21:56.46 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: ok i'll copy-paste to #flood now |
| 21:57.29 | minto | so does debian have an updater like fedora's up2date? |
| 21:58.02 | streuner_ | man apt-get |
| 21:58.12 | minto | thanks |
| 21:58.13 | streuner_ | of course |
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| 21:58.48 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: copy-pasted to #flood |
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| 21:59.21 | erbi | apt-get update |
| 21:59.21 | erbi | :) |
| 21:59.37 | Ferret | FieldySnuts: You're not badger@ any more? :/ |
| 21:59.39 | minto | well, i know apt-get is like yum |
| 21:59.50 | FieldySnuts | haven't been for a long time |
| 22:00.04 | erbi | does debian have fluxbox |
| 22:00.14 | SuperSox | erbi: sure |
| 22:00.21 | EMH_Mark3 | ahha |
| 22:00.23 | EMH_Mark3 | xmove |
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| 22:00.33 | erbi | is it like slackware fluxbox? |
| 22:00.38 | drp | erbi: you can use any wm you want |
| 22:00.56 | SuperSox | erbi: I don't know, but I'd imagine there to be no change, in that fluxbox is not distribution specific. |
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| 22:01.11 | erbi | oh |
| 22:01.17 | erbi | and most commands are the same right? |
| 22:01.21 | erbi | like commands used |
| 22:01.34 | SuperSox | erbi: you mean in the terminal? |
| 22:01.44 | erbi | yea |
| 22:02.07 | SuperSox | erbi: of course, again the terminal or bash is not distribution specific |
| 22:02.51 | SuperSox | anyway, I'm out, night. |
| 22:02.53 | erbi | later |
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| 22:04.37 | deejoe | Where could I find html versions of the Debian man pages available via the web? I'd like to refer a non-Debian user to the section 7 debconf man page. |
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| 22:05.14 | streuner_ | deejoe: install on your server html2man |
| 22:05.24 | BucWheat_ | hi all. i'm trying to setup my router to allow ssh. can someone check hwl.dnsalias.com to see if they get login? |
| 22:05.33 | BucWheat_ | if so i know it works :) |
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| 22:06.05 | streuner_ | BucWheat: why not just doing that by yourself? |
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| 22:06.16 | streuner_ | BucWheat: its the same... |
| 22:06.47 | streuner_ | no matter if you login in you LAN or over i-net |
| 22:06.49 | BucWheat_ | streuner want to make sure by having someone else check it out |
| 22:06.53 | streuner_ | s/you/your/ |
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| 22:06.56 | deejoe | streuner_ thanks for the suggestion. If I can't find them available elsewhere, I'll try that. I was hoping for a more established server (say the DDP project site) to point to, but this'll do in a pinch. I could jsut give this guy a shell account on one of my boxen, and tell him to man 7 debconf, but I think I'll lose his attention by the time I'm done with any of these approaches other than just to URL slap him. |
| 22:07.00 | deadline | with what command can i install kernel patches manually? |
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| 22:07.04 | crashbg | streuner, give me the root pass :) |
| 22:07.13 | streuner_ | heh |
| 22:07.13 | BucWheat_ | streuner trying to save myself from having to drive back out here if it doesn't work heh |
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| 22:07.18 | crashbg | patch -p0 ? |
| 22:07.22 | KiRuKi21 | hi all |
| 22:07.44 | deadline | crashbg: ? |
| 22:07.45 | crashbg | streuner, it works, the ssh :) |
| 22:07.49 | BucWheat_ | streuner it works :) |
| 22:07.50 | BucWheat_ | thanks |
| 22:08.01 | BucWheat_ | i'll bbl |
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| 22:08.19 | deadcat | streuner_: the edges font from artwiz doesnt support the degree sign. (= |
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| 22:09.47 | crashbg | i emailed the linux sis ide chipset driver maintainers about a bug (i really hope so to be bug so it's fixeable) about the problem i wrote here earlier |
| 22:10.14 | streuner | deadcat: works here pretty well :-) |
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| 22:10.31 | deadcat | streuner: what font you using? |
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| 22:11.00 | streuner | deadcat: i changed only the location of weather station ... ;-) |
| 22:11.15 | deadcat | streuner: no. i mean for torsmo. |
| 22:11.33 | Schiz0 | hey, i dl'ed the sarge netinst iso, and i'm getting a error on base system install.. |
| 22:11.36 | deadcat | streuner: i changed his script and i use: location="http://weather.yahoo.com/search/weather2?p=$zipcode" much better |
| 22:11.40 | streuner | deadcat: as i said, i changed only that line |
| 22:11.47 | deadcat | hehe |
| 22:11.47 | streuner | hm |
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| 22:11.54 | Schiz0 | saying it can't download at. |
| 22:11.56 | deadcat | streuner: http://deadcat.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?SCREEN=hack&ID=tweather |
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| 22:12.49 | streuner | deadcat: well, zipcodes won't work here :-P |
| 22:12.51 | Ninjai | debian |
| 22:12.57 | deadcat | streuner: ah. doh hehe |
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| 22:13.21 | deejoe | rats. man2html is choking on debconf.conf(5) with boa as the web server |
| 22:13.23 | deadcat | streuner: i guess his is universal hehe |
| 22:13.48 | streuner | deadcat: yep, but i still need some change to C. not F. |
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| 22:14.36 | deadcat | streuner: _c.html?force_units=1 |
| 22:14.40 | streuner | deadcat: any idea how to convert it to Celsius? |
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| 22:15.05 | AngelGabriel | I have just replaced my three hubs with three swithces on my network, and for some reason, not everyone recieves an IP address from the DHCP sserver anymore, and of those that do, only a few can get online |
| 22:15.09 | AngelGabriel | What am i doing wrong? |
| 22:15.36 | deadcat | streuner: _f.html... is for farenheit |
| 22:16.19 | deadcat | AngelGabriel: bad switches? |
| 22:17.02 | AngelGabriel | deadcat, Damn, really, switches can break? |
| 22:17.04 | pillBOX | AngelGabriel: Uplinking them right? |
| 22:17.13 | pillBOX | Of course they can! |
| 22:17.16 | deadcat | AngelGabriel: not break. defective maybe |
| 22:17.23 | deadcat | AngelGabriel: HAHAHAH ebay.. |
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| 22:17.35 | AngelGabriel | pillBOX, Err.... how do I make sure they are being uplinked correctly? |
| 22:17.52 | pillBOX | I have a switch at home right now that, when you plug it into power, no machines connected, claims to have 5 ports active, receiving data! |
| 22:18.16 | pillBOX | AngelGabriel: Are you using uplink ports? |
| 22:18.21 | pillBOX | or cross-over cables? |
| 22:18.58 | streuner_ | he already said that he uses switches before and some of them work... |
| 22:19.08 | streuner_ | deadcat: thanks |
| 22:19.19 | AngelGabriel | pillBOX, I'm using normal cables ... there are no ports marked uplink on these switches .... |
| 22:19.28 | pillBOX | Theres your problem. |
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| 22:19.53 | deadcat | streuner_: i just use tweather to redict output to .xsession-errors and use root-tail to display it |
| 22:20.02 | pillBOX | Without uplink ports (they may have auto uplink-sensing, don't know what kind and of what quality) you need cross-over cables to uplink |
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| 22:21.10 | streuner_ | deadcat: interesting |
| 22:21.22 | deadcat | streuner_: let me show you a screenshot. you got one? |
| 22:21.36 | streuner_ | no, not now |
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| 22:22.01 | AngelGabriel | pillBOX, because of the lack of dedicated uplink ports, i assumed autosensing |
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| 22:22.40 | pillBOX | AngelGabriel: What brand and model? |
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| 22:23.32 | deadcat | streuner_: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20050408_9544.png top lef is torsmo, bottom left shows tweather output to root-tail |
| 22:23.44 | AngelGabriel | nortel networks, baystack 310-24T |
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| 22:25.25 | hacim | AngelGabriel: hey know anything about the 450-24Ts? I've got someone who wants to give me 3 of them, wondering if they are any good |
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| 22:26.31 | streuner | deadcat: nice |
| 22:26.37 | AngelGabriel | hacim, i'm new to the game my friend, I wish I could advise you. My philosophy is, if it does the job it says it does, it's good enough for me |
| 22:27.03 | hacim | AngelGabriel: hehe, I'm trying to find siwtches that will do port rate limiting |
| 22:27.03 | deadcat | streuner: thanks. i used mwilson's color scheme for torsmo/xterm/root-tail |
| 22:27.40 | notty | i get this error in apache log [Fri Apr 08 23:20:07 2005] [error] [client 193.19.192.160] client denied by server configuration: proxy:http://192.168.20.10/favicon.ico.. where can i be wrong ? |
| 22:27.45 | AngelGabriel | hacim, How big is the network you intend to deploy on? |
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| 22:28.01 | RuffianSoldier | frankenbeans |
| 22:29.02 | hacim | AngelGabriel: two racks right now, moving up to 3 soon, its a colo environment |
| 22:29.04 | pillBOX | hacim: Fork out the money for cisco hardware |
| 22:29.12 | pillBOX | It's worth it. |
| 22:29.26 | hacim | pillBOX: yeah, the recent influx in security holes in IOS doesn't make me cisco happy |
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| 22:30.29 | pillBOX | hacim: Well, they'll get it battened down soon enough |
| 22:30.34 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: same problem again :( |
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| 22:31.47 | telpochyaotl | i can't remember the name of the package used to benchmart the best mirrors for sources.list, can someone refresh my memory? |
| 22:31.52 | pillBOX | AngelGabriel: Try uplinking using cross-over cables. |
| 22:31.57 | pillBOX | See if that helps. |
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| 22:32.16 | streuner | ArchitectSinan: /j #flood |
| 22:32.17 | pillBOX | (anybody with 3 switches should also have a handfull of cross-over cables somewhere) |
| 22:32.23 | pillBOX | You know under the couch... behind the fridge. |
| 22:32.27 | FieldySnuts | or know how to make them |
| 22:32.31 | pillBOX | Tangled in your hair. |
| 22:32.40 | pillBOX | Netted together to form a hammock |
| 22:32.42 | pillBOX | You get the idea. |
| 22:32.45 | ArchitectSinan | streuner_: ok |
| 22:32.54 | DaCa | telpochyaotl: netselect-apt |
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| 22:34.37 | Opiated | are there any other irc bots comparable to eggdrop? |
| 22:34.44 | pillBOX | Tons |
| 22:34.49 | Opiated | the bots running in thie channel, like dpkg, what are they |
| 22:34.50 | Opiated | ? |
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| 22:34.58 | EMH_Mark3 | hmmm... seems freenx does what I want |
| 22:35.02 | pillBOX | there are more kinds of irc bots than there are people on IRC |
| 22:35.23 | Opiated | I am looking for one able to do channel management as well as info bot type thing |
| 22:35.45 | pillBOX | You should start with what sort of language you are comfortable programming in |
| 22:35.52 | Opiated | c |
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| 22:36.03 | pillBOX | As you can find a bot that uses just about any sort of scripting/programming language |
| 22:36.06 | pillBOX | that it? |
| 22:36.08 | Pendragon | I am stuck with screen |
| 22:36.10 | CyL | How do I reconfigure the network in sarge? |
| 22:36.21 | Rawplayer | CyL: how do you mean? |
| 22:36.22 | pillBOX | The best bots are generally scripted with interpreted languages |
| 22:36.25 | Pendragon | I need help with it, and shutting down a program running in it |
| 22:36.29 | Pendragon | anyone here use screen |
| 22:36.50 | CyL | Rawplayer: every time my pc boots, I have to run dhclient mannually, so I can get the net working... |
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| 22:37.16 | Pendragon | I was in 'screen' and I pressed ctrl wrong button, and now I am back at root, but the damn thing is locked up or something |
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| 22:37.21 | Pendragon | no keys are doing anything |
| 22:37.25 | Xenguy | EMH_Mark3: do you have freenx working yet? |
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| 22:37.53 | CyL | Rawplayer: Any clue? |
| 22:38.12 | Rawplayer | add it to your runlevel |
| 22:38.27 | Xenguy | Pendragon: try ^-Q for one |
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| 22:38.52 | CyL | Rawplayer: Is there any script that dpkg-reconfigure may use to solve this issue? |
| 22:39.01 | EMH_Mark3 | Xenguy: yeah :) does exactly what I need, with suspend of sessions :) |
| 22:39.08 | Rawplayer | dunno |
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| 22:39.32 | Pendragon | well, it is like the keyboard isn't working, the terminal blinks when I press ctrl c, but that is the only thing I am getting a responce from |
| 22:39.41 | Pendragon | I just have a bash staring at me |
| 22:39.47 | Pendragon | and me back :-p |
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| 22:39.56 | p8m | If I have a machine with hyperthreading, should I use 2.6.8-2-686-smp or does it not matter? |
| 22:39.56 | Xenguy | EMH_Mark3: I was able to get it working, but it won't save sessions for some reason (I am going cross-platform also, rather than X-to-X) |
| 22:40.04 | Pendragon | it was showing the logg files of webmin before I pressed the wrong button |
| 22:40.17 | Pendragon | I am trying to get my terminal back, where I can type on it again |
| 22:40.21 | djm62 | !X Setup |
| 22:40.22 | DuckTales | Is there any reason why xchat isn't being updated in the sarge repositories? |
| 22:40.35 | DuckTales | 2.4.2 came out..and 2.4.3 came out..and still 2.4.1 is only in there. |
| 22:40.42 | DuckTales | /msg dpkg xchat didn't help me. |
| 22:40.52 | zarchne | Pendragon: you could try ^\ |
| 22:40.59 | streuner | DuckTales: if you going to put every new package into sarge, sarge will be never stable... |
| 22:41.03 | Pendragon | whats ^ mean? |
| 22:41.05 | Pendragon | ctrl? |
| 22:41.09 | Xenguy | yes |
| 22:41.11 | billyoc | Pendragon: could you have pressed <ctrl>-s by accident? If so, as Xenguy said, hit <ctrl>-q |
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| 22:41.23 | dli | anyone using xfce? |
| 22:41.24 | DuckTales | streuner, So don't put security updates into sarge? |
| 22:41.27 | Pendragon | nope |
| 22:41.28 | Pendragon | nothin |
| 22:41.29 | DuckTales | Just leave it unsecure..and old code. |
| 22:41.32 | DuckTales | dli I am |
| 22:41.33 | Pendragon | I can shell in |
| 22:41.37 | gravity | DuckTales: Apparently the maintainer hasn't uploaded the new version |
| 22:41.44 | Pendragon | but when i type screen -R i go back to the same place |
| 22:41.47 | streuner | DuckTales: they make sense, when sarge is stable |
| 22:41.50 | Pendragon | a bash screen that is logged |
| 22:41.52 | dli | DuckTales, how to get text zoom in in xfterm4? |
| 22:42.02 | dli | DuckTales, the fonts are too small to me |
| 22:42.05 | DuckTales | I do'nt use xfterm4 |
| 22:42.09 | DuckTales | I'll start it now and look though. |
| 22:42.26 | EMH_Mark3 | Xenguy: well all I did is apt-get install freenx nxssh and use the nomachine client on windows to connect |
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| 22:42.42 | dli | DuckTales, I used gnome-terminal, it's almost perfect, but slow in starting up |
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| 22:43.05 | Pendragon | man, I know restarting a sever does NOT fix the problem, but if I can't get control of my terminal again.... |
| 22:43.08 | Xenguy | EMH_Mark3: hrm, didn't know about nxssh; also are you using a particular mirror/deb? |
| 22:43.11 | ArchitectSinan | tell ArchitectSinan about woody->sarge |
| 22:43.14 | gravity | DuckTales: It looks like the xchat maintainer might be MIA |
| 22:43.16 | ArchitectSinan | !tell ArchitectSinan about woody->sarge |
| 22:43.25 | gravity | DuckTales: The last few uploads of it to new versions were done by other people |
| 22:43.31 | DuckTales | dli: I don't think you can make the text bigger. |
| 22:43.39 | ArchitectSinan | learned how dpkh works :) |
| 22:43.44 | DuckTales | xfce is supposed to be "fast"...so they don't want to overload it with features. |
| 22:43.44 | ArchitectSinan | learned how dpkg bot works :) |
| 22:43.58 | DuckTales | I would assume...but I bet #xfce people can answer you question better then I can. |
| 22:43.58 | dli | DuckTales, okay, I will try other term, then, any suggestion? |
| 22:44.05 | telpochyaotl | DaCa: thanks! |
| 22:44.09 | DuckTales | Try using an alternative line gnome-terminal or xterm. |
| 22:44.31 | DuckTales | I use xterm myself. |
| 22:44.35 | dli | DuckTales, gnome-terminal is too slow, no xterm, it doesn't support Chinese natively |
| 22:44.42 | DuckTales | But it's all preference. |
| 22:44.43 | EMH_Mark3 | Xenguy: deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian ./ |
| 22:44.44 | DuckTales | What you like best. |
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| 22:44.56 | EMH_Mark3 | installed the unstable one |
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| 22:46.34 | Xenguy | EMH_Mark3: my mirror is the same; anyhow good for you (not sure what I did wrong along the way, but perhaps I'll sort out the difficulties yet) |
| 22:47.39 | Xenguy | EMH_Mark3: maybe there is a new version that automagically solves my probs ;-) |
| 22:48.28 | EMH_Mark3 | did you install from testing or from unstable? |
| 22:49.15 | Xenguy | EMH_Mark3: yeah, I wasn't sure what you meant by that. I run 'unstable/sid' if that's what you mean |
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| 22:49.33 | Xenguy | EMH_Mark3: I installed a few weeks ago tho |
| 22:49.44 | EMH_Mark3 | ya same here.. try installing nxssh, it says it's used for incoming connections |
| 22:49.50 | CyL | Is there any script that may be used to reconfigure sarge's net startup? |
| 22:49.55 | Mash | hello |
| 22:50.57 | Xenguy | EMH_Mark3: yeah, 'nxssh' is a new wrinkle too -- I had some initial authentication issues (had to create a username etc. when the documentation I was following suggested that wasn't necessary, so I may have taken a wrong turn somewhere) |
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| 22:51.29 | Xenguy | EMH_Mark3: were you following any particular documentation BTW? |
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| 22:51.50 | Pendragon | I got it |
| 22:52.03 | Xenguy | Pendragon: what was the problem? |
| 22:52.05 | Pendragon | I killed the process, then reatached the program, and restarted it |
| 22:52.06 | Pendragon | cool |
| 22:52.09 | Pendragon | cya |
| 22:52.22 | EMH_Mark3 | Xenguy: suprisignly no. just worked out of the box |
| 22:52.46 | Xenguy | EMH_Mark3: hrm, lucky you :-) |
| 22:53.32 | EMH_Mark3 | indeed |
| 22:53.37 | Xenguy | EMH_Mark3: I was pretty impressed with freenx in general tho - fairly responsive compared to something like VNC |
| 22:54.18 | ArchitectSinan | !tell streuner about woody->sarge |
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| 22:54.50 | streuner | ArchitectSinan: i know the factoid |
| 22:54.59 | ArchitectSinan | do you suggest me to go on with "apt-get" or "aptitude" |
| 22:55.10 | streuner | ArchitectSinan: apt-get |
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| 22:55.33 | ArchitectSinan | streuner: ok i'll do it. but 174MB will be a bit long time for me |
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| 22:56.26 | ArchitectSinan | streuner: thx so much |
| 22:56.31 | streuner | np |
| 22:57.09 | ArchitectSinan | it'll be a long journey for my poor connection. that's why it's a good idea to sleep a bit for me |
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| 22:57.33 | notty | how can i limit the bandwidth in apache2 ? |
| 22:57.33 | ArchitectSinan | that's why i should have to say "bye" for now :) |
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| 22:57.39 | Empty | how do I make an ISO file from a CD? |
| 22:57.48 | streuner | dd |
| 22:58.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 794] by debhelper |
| 22:58.12 | Empty | so just 'dd /dev/cdrom ~/cd.iso'? |
| 22:58.21 | streuner | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/tmp/foo.iso |
| 22:58.31 | Empty | yeah thats what I meant thanks |
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| 23:01.17 | EMH_Mark3 | hm wtf.. seems my session has vanished |
| 23:01.26 | meumeu | I have a question about installing my network card driver for debian |
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| 23:01.53 | streuner | meumeu: is the NIC supported? |
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| 23:02.09 | meumeu | debian didn't detect my network card driver during installation, but I found the driver online from the company. |
| 23:02.24 | streuner | in source code? |
| 23:02.30 | meumeu | yeah. |
| 23:02.32 | streuner | did you install via d-i? |
| 23:02.38 | meumeu | with a makefile |
| 23:02.46 | meumeu | what is d-i? |
| 23:02.51 | cafuego | nervenforcer: mod_throttle |
| 23:02.57 | cafuego | blaaaah |
| 23:02.58 | streuner | download the kernel-headers for your kernel |
| 23:03.12 | streuner | !b-e meumeu |
| 23:03.13 | dpkg | meumeu: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 23:03.19 | streuner | that too |
| 23:03.30 | meumeu | i'm a newbie. |
| 23:03.52 | valdyn_ | meumeu: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:03.55 | meumeu | i used other linux before.. and those linux do all the detection for me. |
| 23:03.56 | streuner | !n00b |
| 23:03.56 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 23:04.04 | deadcat | when installing d-i with expert26, it ask stable/testing/unstable, whats the stable mean? does it install woody or future sarge stable? |
| 23:04.05 | meumeu | so i have no idea what you guys are talking about. |
| 23:04.44 | meumeu | any website or manual for me to read about my question? |
| 23:04.46 | streuner | meumeu: just buy another NIC |
| 23:04.52 | meumeu | -_- |
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| 23:05.06 | valdyn_ | meumeu: type "cat /etc/debian_version" in a shell |
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| 23:05.12 | meumeu | that's not the right solution. I want to solve my problem |
| 23:05.12 | streuner | meumeu: or you are going the debian way and learn how to use it (TM) |
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| 23:05.22 | streuner | good |
| 23:05.23 | meumeu | yeah. |
| 23:05.26 | meumeu | of course. |
| 23:05.29 | meumeu | first |
| 23:05.35 | meumeu | i haven't install the debian yet. |
| 23:05.35 | deadcat | meumeu: stop bitching like a whore |
| 23:05.42 | gravity | Lay off him |
| 23:05.44 | meumeu | i stoped because it doesn't detect my NIC. |
| 23:05.55 | gravity | meumeu: Which installer did you download? Where did you get it? |
| 23:05.58 | meumeu | and I can't use synaptic to dl the rest of the software. |
| 23:06.09 | meumeu | so i stopped the installation. |
| 23:06.17 | CyL | meumeu: português? |
| 23:06.21 | meumeu | no |
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| 23:06.24 | meumeu | only english. |
| 23:06.25 | |XO| | Debian on Freebsd...err...? |
| 23:06.31 | karsten | !pt |
| 23:06.31 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:06.34 | yalu | I forgot which command lets the shell print every command before executing it |
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| 23:06.48 | gravity | meumeu: Synaptic in the Debian installer doesn't exist |
| 23:06.50 | valdyn_ | meumeu: what is your nic? |
| 23:06.52 | yalu | does someone remember please :) |
| 23:06.57 | gravity | meumeu: So I don't know what you used, but it doesn't sound like Debian |
| 23:07.12 | karsten | yalu: -x |
| 23:07.14 | meumeu | realtek |
| 23:07.18 | karsten | yalu: ...or -v |
| 23:07.22 | karsten | yalu: set -v |
| 23:07.24 | meumeu | rtl8139 |
| 23:07.29 | gravity | Ugh, ok... ignore me |
| 23:07.36 | yalu | karsten: ok thx |
| 23:07.39 | karsten | yalu: NP. |
| 23:07.44 | streuner | meumeu: did you use d-i ? |
| 23:07.48 | streuner | !d-i |
| 23:07.48 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 23:08.11 | deadcat | whats the stable installation in d-i mean? |
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| 23:08.36 | meumeu | i dled the image from linuxiso.org |
| 23:08.36 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: eh? |
| 23:08.37 | gravity | No such thing yet |
| 23:08.39 | streuner | deadcat: try #debian-boot, i have no idea |
| 23:08.39 | CyL | meumeu: so the driver you need already comes with the default kernel.. it is 8139too |
| 23:08.50 | gravity | d-i can't do a stable install |
| 23:08.58 | valdyn_ | deadcat: i assume it points to stable, which is woody now, and might thus just not work w/ d-i or at least not make much sense |
| 23:08.59 | gravity | Until sarge is out at any rate |
| 23:09.00 | meumeu | but how come it didn't say it's included. |
| 23:09.01 | streuner | very odd |
| 23:09.10 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: when you press expert26, it will ask if you want to install stable/testing/unstable. whats the stable reffering to? |
| 23:09.11 | CyL | meumeu: did you try insmodd 8139too? |
| 23:09.31 | streuner | !rtl8139 |
| 23:09.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 23:09.32 | meumeu | let me try again. |
| 23:09.35 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: oh... someone must have added that part so it would eventually install sarge when it's stable, I'd gather... |
| 23:09.37 | gravity | deadcat: Whatever stable is at the time, which is woody now |
| 23:09.39 | deadcat | valdyn_: it might point to woody, but i might poing to future stable(sarge) though |
| 23:09.44 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: although, you may actually be able to install woody... |
| 23:09.46 | gravity | deadcat: But that's broken until sarge is out. d-i can't install woody |
| 23:09.59 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah. |
| 23:10.00 | gravity | No, that broke about a year ago |
| 23:10.07 | gravity | I don't think anyone fixed it |
| 23:10.08 | deadcat | gravity: cool. |
| 23:10.18 | meumeu | another question |
| 23:10.23 | dondelelcaro | well, you always *can* install it... it just becomes a question of how much work in the shell you want to do... |
| 23:10.27 | EMH_Mark3 | hm I don't get it.. I got two suspended nx sessions, but the nx client doesn't give me the dialog to pick which I want to restore |
| 23:10.31 | valdyn_ | deadcat: yea, "stable" or "testing" in d-i just points to whatever is in the "stable" or "testing" tree on debian mirrors |
| 23:10.31 | meumeu | any good link for noob to read about, and understand more about debian? |
| 23:10.39 | dondelelcaro | !debian reference |
| 23:10.39 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 23:10.42 | dondelelcaro | meumeu: see above |
| 23:11.30 | jharrison | !find monotone |
| 23:11.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'monotone' (1): (/var/www/tdiary/theme/monotone/monotone.css) in web/tdiary-theme. |
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| 23:12.14 | meumeu | sorry, got disconnected. |
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| 23:12.26 | meumeu | any website has a shorter manual? |
| 23:12.41 | valdyn_ | !refcard |
| 23:12.42 | dpkg | i heard refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 23:12.55 | valdyn_ | meumeu: thats probably to short ^^^ |
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| 23:13.20 | cafuego | The continuabbly SCREAMING alarm system across the road is starting to become annoying |
| 23:13.38 | meumeu | valdyn_: any other suggestion? |
| 23:13.56 | valdyn_ | meumeu: use d-i to install debian and ask in irc as questions arise |
| 23:14.12 | meumeu | k |
| 23:14.45 | Adrian | !k |
| 23:14.45 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 23:14.54 | thingfish | heh |
| 23:15.00 | meumeu | which one should i dl? |
| 23:15.13 | meumeu | too many image.. |
| 23:15.20 | Adrian | RC3 |
| 23:15.29 | streuner | meumeu: if you have to ask i386 |
| 23:15.39 | valdyn_ | meumeu: will you have irc while installing? from a 2nd computer? |
| 23:16.01 | meumeu | good idea valdyn |
| 23:16.15 | meumeu | i will try to manage that. |
| 23:16.24 | meumeu | gtg now, thanks a lot everyone! :) |
| 23:16.29 | streuner | meumeu: your NIC is in any case supported |
| 23:16.41 | meumeu | thanks. |
| 23:16.43 | meumeu | k |
| 23:16.45 | meumeu | i will try again. |
| 23:16.52 | meumeu | see what i find out. |
| 23:16.55 | meumeu | bye bye. |
| 23:16.59 | streuner | cu |
| 23:17.02 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:17.38 | thingfish | you know that means asshole in portuguese? |
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| 23:17.57 | streuner | meumeu? |
| 23:18.05 | thingfish | hehe no, - cu. |
| 23:18.22 | streuner | hm |
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| 23:18.49 | thingfish | but never mind, I know what you were saying/doing. |
| 23:18.53 | e_machinist | My keyboard is not being used while using Wine. Has anyone else experienced this? |
| 23:19.06 | streuner | thingfish: i know it too ;-) |
| 23:19.10 | e_machinist | I have tried it on multiple apps, and my keyboard can't input on any of the apps. |
| 23:19.19 | Mash | bye |
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| 23:19.53 | mike__ | hi, i have a 8139too fast wireless card. It detects it on system startup but it doesn't list it in iwconfig or ifconfig. Do i need to recompile the kernel? i did read that this card didn't need drivers as it was automatically supported? im not too sure, any help would be greatly appreciated. |
| 23:20.08 | Borg^Queen | Hey people. Does Debian have some kind of nic control ui. For example to activate the nic card and setup it up for use with dsl |
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| 23:20.42 | sean_micken | heya |
| 23:20.46 | streuner | buy a router/gateway, less headaches |
| 23:20.50 | sean_micken | how would i cut a line in half at character X? |
| 23:20.51 | valdyn_ | Borg^Queen: it does not need to be setup "for dsl" |
| 23:21.06 | synic | Borg^Queen: might try dpkg-reconfigure dhcp-client |
| 23:21.11 | synic | if it's just dhcp |
| 23:21.12 | sean_micken | or.. cut a file in half at character X. |
| 23:21.17 | Borg^Queen | synic: thanks |
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| 23:21.22 | valdyn_ | Borg^Queen: set it up for your net ( try etherconf and/or read the faq ), then use pppoeconf. |
| 23:21.25 | FarrisG | Here's a question I should know, but I always do it at install and never touch it... How do you properly set the system time and timezone? |
| 23:21.50 | streuner | FarrisG: tzconfig for the last question |
| 23:21.58 | Borg^Queen | valdyn_: thanks |
| 23:22.03 | caphuso | FarrisG: a combination of one or more of date, ntpdate, ntpd, tzconfig, editing /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:22.05 | CyL | Hoy do I enable the functions keys in my keyboard? |
| 23:22.18 | michal_ | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD for real? |
| 23:22.25 | valdyn_ | CyL: which function keys? |
| 23:22.25 | caphuso | michal_: yeah |
| 23:22.35 | michal_ | cool.. i thought it had been abandoned |
| 23:22.41 | valdyn_ | CyL: and in which desktop-environment? |
| 23:22.53 | caphuso | !info kfreebsd-source |
| 23:23.00 | caphuso | !info kfreebsd5-source |
| 23:23.03 | caphuso | damn |
| 23:23.03 | dpkg | kfreebsd5-source: (source code for kernel of FreeBSD 5.3), section devel, is optional. Version: 5.3-8 (sid), Packaged size: 12763 kB, Installed size: 13144 kB |
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| 23:23.20 | CyL | valdyn_: gnome.. the keyboard has 21 function keys like power, sleep, wakeup, molume, search, etc... |
| 23:23.45 | drac | what kernel-image-2.6.8 is correct for amd64 3200? |
| 23:23.46 | Wyzard | CyL: Applications -> Desktop Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts |
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| 23:23.51 | valdyn_ | CyL: Applications -> Settings - > Keyboard |
| 23:23.52 | drac | trying to guide a friend.. |
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| 23:23.58 | Wyzard | drac: the -k7 one |
| 23:24.02 | valdyn_ | valdyn_: nm, look at wyzard, i dont use your locale |
| 23:24.16 | drac | Wyzard: are you sure? i see also, kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8? |
| 23:24.50 | EMH_Mark3 | ok this nxclient thing is more stupid than I thought.. it doesn't care what suspended sessions are on the server, it just keeps a local list of suspended sesions :O |
| 23:24.50 | valdyn_ | CyL: that one is for a few keys, other keys you might need something else, is this a notebook? |
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| 23:24.50 | Wyzard | drac: ah, I didn't know they had those |
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| 23:24.56 | Borg^Queen | I tried dpkg-reconfigure dhcp-client but it returned nothing |
| 23:25.09 | drac | damn, he allready booted to k7 .. |
| 23:25.17 | CyL | valdyn_: nope.. a desktop... maybe i should remap the keyboard? in my keyboard preference there are no such options... |
| 23:25.23 | drac | wonder if it's going to even boot? |
| 23:25.38 | Wyzard | Borg^Queen: If DHCP is all you need, just edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:25.42 | synic | Borg^Queen: what type of dsl is this? Just an ethernet card to the modem? |
| 23:25.51 | Borg^Queen | aye |
| 23:25.52 | Wyzard | Borg^Queen: If your DSL uses PPPoE or something, though, you need additional software |
| 23:26.03 | FieldySnuts | @fuck pppoe |
| 23:26.08 | synic | Borg^Queen: man interfaces |
| 23:26.17 | cafuego | drac: The -k8 one. Not the -k7 one. |
| 23:26.31 | valdyn_ | CyL: apt-cache search hotkeys |
| 23:26.35 | drac | Damn, so I guided him wrong. |
| 23:26.43 | CyL | valdyn_: thanks.. |
| 23:26.45 | Borg^Queen | I thought disgusting language like that wasn't allowed here |
| 23:26.46 | cafuego | drac: yes, it will also happily run 386 kernerls :-) |
| 23:26.51 | Wyzard | cafuego: Are those -k8 kernels actually 64-bit? |
| 23:26.57 | cafuego | Wyzard: Yep |
| 23:26.58 | thingfish | Borg^Queen: oh no, honey. It's way allowed. |
| 23:26.59 | FieldySnuts | @hump Borg^Queen |
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| 23:27.16 | Wyzard | cafuego: Interesting... I thought that was only available in the not-yet-official amd64 arch |
| 23:27.26 | Borg^Queen | Oh yeah that's right. This channel was canned as stupid. |
| 23:27.28 | Borg^Queen | I see why. |
| 23:27.28 | thingfish | Borg^Queen: it can be off-putting. |
| 23:27.29 | valdyn_ | CyL: you need a daemon to run in the background and execute programs, so just remapping wont do it |
| 23:27.34 | cafuego | Borg^Queen: it's just language. Now if FieldySnuts was actually wandering about with a dildo sticking out, we'd worry. |
| 23:27.38 | Borg^Queen | Well I'll need to find real people. |
| 23:27.44 | Borg^Queen | Good luck losers |
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| 23:27.54 | dondelelcaro | exciting |
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| 23:27.58 | cafuego | Someone's not having a good day. |
| 23:28.00 | FieldySnuts | i had just begun. what a whiner |
| 23:28.02 | CyL | valdyn_: apt-cache returned nothing |
| 23:28.03 | FieldySnuts | brb food |
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| 23:28.43 | mike__ | do i just type 'make-kpkg kernel_image' in the src dir? or do i need to replace kernel_image with something? |
| 23:28.45 | cafuego | drac: If he had the option of installing a k7 kernel, hes not runninga 64bit Linux, so he'll be fine. |
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| 23:28.50 | valdyn_ | CyL: hmm, you might have to issue a "apt-get update" first, no idea |
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| 23:28.51 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 23:28.51 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 23:28.53 | dondelelcaro | mike__: see above. |
| 23:28.53 | thingfish | I came from redhat/fedora, and in #fedora they don't allow you to cuss or get "non-professional", so #debian was a little bit of a shock to me when I first joined. |
| 23:29.09 | valdyn_ | CyL: the package "hotkeys" contains such a daemon anyway. |
| 23:29.21 | thingfish | one learns to embrace the anarchy of it all... |
| 23:29.22 | dondelelcaro | if language shocks you, set up an appropriate /ignore filter |
| 23:29.30 | cafuego | thingfish: Debnian speaks for itself, it doesn't need a bunch of mormons to promote it ;-) |
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| 23:29.31 | drac | cafuego: ok, thanks. |
| 23:29.35 | FieldySnuts | fuck. there, ignore me :) |
| 23:29.37 | thingfish | oh, it doesn't shock me at all |
| 23:29.48 | Wyzard | thingfish: I think Debian's more of the "bearded hacker" persuasion than the "men in suits" :-) |
| 23:29.56 | cafuego | Mind you, SOME PEOPLE take it a bit far. |
| 23:29.58 | thingfish | I'm at least as foul as any of you motherfuckers. |
| 23:30.03 | CyL | valdyn_: apt isn't working fine in my box... is there a script that may be run with dpkg-reconfigure to fix it? |
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| 23:30.14 | dondelelcaro | thingfish: it's just a generalized thing... what is profane differs to different people |
| 23:30.19 | thingfish | I know. |
| 23:30.31 | valdyn_ | CyL: hard to tell w/o knowing what the problem is, try apt-setup |
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| 23:30.35 | mike__ | dondelelcaro: i was just following this site: http://anarka.org/linux/debian_kernel.html |
| 23:30.43 | cafuego | But people who have issues with the word dildo need to take a good long look at their mums and think again ;-) |
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| 23:30.49 | Ferret | Apparently, in Swahili, 'motherfucker' means something really nasty. |
| 23:30.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:30.59 | thingfish | good one |
| 23:31.02 | Ferret | Can realy put a dint in your social status. |
| 23:31.09 | cafuego | Ferret: yes, certain cultures don't allow incest <heh> |
| 23:31.21 | thingfish | what a world... |
| 23:31.25 | mike__ | hi, i have a 8139too fast wireless card. It detects it on system startup but it doesn't list it in iwconfig or ifconfig. Do i need to recompile the kernel? |
| 23:31.33 | dondelelcaro | mike__: ugh, that site's insanely complex in some ways, and completely inneffective in others. |
| 23:31.36 | cafuego | FieldySnuts is obviously not from one of those cultures. |
| 23:31.46 | FieldySnuts | grr |
| 23:31.51 | dondelelcaro | mike__: anyway, the mantra that dpkg spouted will generally do the right thing. |
| 23:32.11 | mike__ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 23:32.15 | CyL | valdyn_: apt-setup solved the problem, yhanks... |
| 23:32.17 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: You from Tasmania at all? |
| 23:32.21 | cafuego | Eh |
| 23:32.21 | dondelelcaro | mike__: you almost always want to specify a --revision and --append-to-version just so you'll know your kernel when you bump into it in the middle of the night. |
| 23:32.27 | cafuego | Ferret: You from Tasmania at all? |
| 23:32.42 | Ferret | cafuego: Not as far as I am aware. |
| 23:32.51 | cafuego | Ferret: Just checking... |
| 23:32.56 | thingfish | It's like you want to see two other people doing incest, fantasy-wise, but you don't want to do it yourself. |
| 23:33.18 | FieldySnuts | too much info |
| 23:33.27 | thingfish | probably. |
| 23:33.36 | Ferret | cafuego: I guess I might be and my sister/mother lied to the authorities to allay suspicion? |
| 23:33.43 | cafuego | thingfish: it;'s not as if it looks any different from two tandom people doign the same thing |
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| 23:33.44 | Ferret | :P |
| 23:34.11 | thingfish | cafuego: well, I agree. I was kind of thinking of twins, anyway. |
| 23:34.22 | FieldySnuts | oh my |
| 23:34.30 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: but there's the mores being broken... |
| 23:34.42 | cafuego | thingfish: twins are kinda overrated |
| 23:34.45 | Ferret | What mores? :) |
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| 23:35.03 | thingfish | cafuego: probably, because they'd be more into each other than you anyway, so fuck that. |
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| 23:35.18 | Ferret | which? |
| 23:35.20 | thingfish | oops I mean screw that. |
| 23:35.25 | Ferret | Again... |
| 23:35.33 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:35.34 | Ferret | :) |
| 23:35.38 | dondelelcaro | any culture has them, even if it isn't aware of them... breaking them often tends to be a fantasy of people from within them... |
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| 23:35.54 | dondelelcaro | anyway, wildly OT for #debian... /me points to #assm |
| 23:35.58 | jero | hello |
| 23:36.10 | thingfish | boy really, it must be cocktail hour or something... |
| 23:36.22 | Ferret | dondelelcaro: When you say 'any society has them', are you referring specifically to rules against incest? (Assume civilised societies). |
| 23:36.34 | cafuego | thingfish: it's just getting close to sunday... |
| 23:36.34 | dondelelcaro | Ferret: no, mores. |
| 23:36.41 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:36.42 | Ferret | OK. Just checking. :) |
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| 23:37.02 | valdyn_ | dondelelcaro: mores? as the latin word 'mores'? |
| 23:37.17 | dondelelcaro | valdyn_: dict is your friend |
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| 23:37.27 | cafuego | Ferret: ANY society has rules against incest, not just 'civilised" ones. Essential survival technique. |
| 23:37.31 | valdyn_ | !dict mores |
| 23:37.33 | dpkg | could not find definition for mores |
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| 23:37.59 | dondelelcaro | dict, not !dict... |
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| 23:38.11 | cafuego | Ferret: Look at the UK, if there's not enough genetic diversity on the island, bad things happen. |
| 23:38.12 | thingfish | cafuego: if that's true, one would think that there's maybe even a biological/genetic aversion to it. |
| 23:39.17 | thingfish | I think it's cool to wonder about how much of our behavior is actually nothing but biology. |
| 23:39.17 | Ferret | cafuego: assume sex -> offspring ? |
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| 23:39.17 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: it's actually not an essential survival technique... |
| 23:39.17 | cafuego | Ferret: Up until 50 years ago that was basically the case, yes. |
| 23:39.17 | Ferret | cafuego: This is where my views come in, I think incest should be legal for steriles/same sex |
| 23:39.25 | dondelelcaro | it only becomes one when you have repeated inbreeding of a population with deleterious recessives. |
| 23:39.31 | thingfish | oh Ferret you nasty boy/girl |
| 23:39.33 | Ferret | That's a long time, even in law. |
| 23:39.33 | cafuego | Ferret: Why do they need to disciminated against? |
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| 23:39.56 | Ferret | discrimination isn't a necessarily negative term. |
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| 23:40.00 | valdyn_ | dondelelcaro: thats indeed the latin word |
| 23:40.32 | dondelelcaro | valdyn_: the root of the english word is latin, yes. |
| 23:40.40 | cafuego | Ferret: I never said it was. Why would they need a special treatment? Mosts ame sex couples really want to be teated like everyone else. |
| 23:41.00 | Ferret | I just maintain that the only reason for rules against incest are a) religious and b) the offspring / genetic diversity / gene retardation problems. |
| 23:41.08 | xxx_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:41.11 | faw | is there a way to provide the mail-transfer-agent package to the system? |
| 23:41.15 | Ferret | Not necessarily. |
| 23:41.15 | deadcat | Ferret: you must be a religious person. |
| 23:41.19 | faw | I need to do a dist-upgrade in woody |
| 23:41.21 | dondelelcaro | faw: install an mta |
| 23:41.37 | Ferret | deadcat: Yeah, I'm God; hi. |
| 23:41.41 | deadcat | (= |
| 23:41.43 | faw | dondelelcaro, :) I have qmail, and have to remove exim4 because of bad behaviour :)) |
| 23:41.57 | dondelelcaro | faw: then install qmail using the qmail-src package... |
| 23:42.19 | dondelelcaro | faw: far better than working against the packaging system when you can avoid it... make the packaging system work for you. |
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| 23:42.36 | Ferret | cafuego: I disagree, I think that if the reasoning behind a law doesn't apply to a minority, then it shouldn't apply to a minority (with a few obvious exceptions). |
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| 23:42.40 | valdyn_ | Ferret: humans develop an aversity to incest by developing an aversity to mate with people they grow up with. |
| 23:42.54 | thingfish | That sounds good. |
| 23:43.08 | deadcat | hows incest has anything to do with debian/linux? |
| 23:43.18 | faw | dondelelcaro, do you know when you know the "Right Thing (tm)" but don't want to use it? :) |
| 23:43.20 | thingfish | yes, the topic has become stale. |
| 23:43.25 | Ferret | debian <- the name says it all? ;) |
| 23:43.47 | cafuego | Ferret: No, once you start creating exceptions for one group, they'll all want one. |
| 23:43.48 | dondelelcaro | faw: yes, there are other ways, but you should actually do the right thing when it's as trivial as it is. |
| 23:43.48 | deadcat | !op kick Ferret |
| 23:44.00 | Ferret | o.o |
| 23:44.07 | deadcat | (= |
| 23:44.11 | thingfish | oh deadcat you tried to pull that the other day with someone, just stop it already. |
| 23:44.26 | deadcat | thingfish: ya. didnt work that day either. |
| 23:44.29 | Ferret | I think you missed off the 's'? |
| 23:44.45 | dvs | Ferret: I think that was intentional |
| 23:45.02 | Ferret | Ahh, a failed attempt at humour. Fair enough. |
| 23:45.20 | p8m | Genetic problems with close relatives reproducing are only marginally higher than what it is with two random people. |
| 23:45.25 | dvs | Ferret: Made me laugh |
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| 23:46.25 | Ferret | Congratulations. |
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| 23:46.37 | dvs | !beer me |
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| 23:47.07 | faw | dondelelcaro, done, thanks! :) |
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| 23:47.34 | i3dmaster | my box is having time problem. when I do "date" command frequently, I can actually see the time goes back |
| 23:47.36 | thingfish | If I owned a bar, I'd give a discount to debian users. |
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| 23:47.40 | dondelelcaro | faw: cool. Now, the other way to do this is to use equivs. However, that's nasty, because you can rather easily get yourself into trouble using it. |
| 23:48.31 | dondelelcaro | faw: apt-cache show equivs; if you're curious. |
| 23:48.46 | i3dmaster | i've already had ntp* loaded |
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| 23:50.02 | p8m | I'm running sarge and when I try to start firefox I get, Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:50.05 | p8m | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:50.10 | faw | dondelelcaro, thanks :) |
| 23:50.18 | deadcat | p8m: you starting at root? |
| 23:50.31 | p8m | deadcat: nope, regular user |
| 23:50.47 | dondelelcaro | faw: np |
| 23:50.55 | mike__ | do i need a driver for my 8139too wireless card? it didn't list it in the kernel make menuconfig, but it detected it on startup on my 2.4.27-1-386 kernel (but it doesn't list it in iwconfig or ifconfig). What should i do? |
| 23:50.59 | p8m | deadcat: uhh, actually that time I was |
| 23:51.18 | p8m | It gives a different error under a reg user: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:51.22 | p8m | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 23:51.22 | Wyzard | mike__: The RTL8139 isn't a wireless card |
| 23:51.24 | Adrian | mike__: a wireless 8139too card? |
| 23:51.44 | mike__ | Adrian: yes |
| 23:51.50 | Adrian | mike__: no |
| 23:51.53 | Wyzard | mike__: and "8139too" is the name of the driver for RTL8139 cards... you're asking about a driver for a driver |
| 23:52.03 | mike__ | Wyzard: no |
| 23:52.09 | mike__ | Wyzard: its a seperate card |
| 23:52.15 | cafuego | mike__: the 8180 range are wireless. the 8139 is not. ever. |
| 23:52.40 | Wyzard | mike__: What does the card show up as in lspci? |
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| 23:52.52 | mike__ | Wyzard: well i have a 8139too wireless card. i know what i see |
| 23:53.10 | cafuego | mike__: if you want help you maybe need to lose the attitude. |
| 23:53.21 | Wyzard | mike__: and I have a kernel module called 8139too loaded, for my rtl8139 non-wireless ethernet card :-) |
| 23:53.25 | cafuego | 8139too is a Linux device driver name. |
| 23:53.29 | Wyzard | mike__: Again, how does it show up in lspci? |
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| 23:53.54 | mike__ | Wyzard: ok |
| 23:54.26 | mike__ | Wyzard: i came up as something different last time |
| 23:54.32 | cafuego | What card is it? PCI or pcmcia? |
| 23:54.50 | mike__ | cafuego: it looks like a pci card |
| 23:55.02 | cafuego | mike__: Is there another card in the system? |
| 23:55.03 | Wyzard | cafuego: You'd have a hard time finding an actual PCMCIA (16-bit) wireless card, and if you mean CardBus, those show up as PCI |
| 23:55.09 | mike__ | cafuego: i have 2 cards |
| 23:55.11 | cafuego | mike__: Another network card, that is? |
| 23:55.32 | mike__ | cafuego: a RTL8139 card and a wireless card, but it came up as something different on debian |
| 23:55.44 | cafuego | Wyzard: notable exception being this linksys POS, which doesn't show up at all. |
| 23:55.51 | mike__ | cafuego: i used knoppix to detect my wireless network card |
| 23:56.02 | deadcat | mike__: you might have to use the ndiswapper for that card. i think a friend of mine has one of those. |
| 23:56.03 | Wyzard | mike__: Run "lspci" from a command prompt, find the line describing your wireless card, and paste that line here |
| 23:56.19 | cafuego | mike__: 'lspci' should tell you what it is. Note that knoppix may contain non-free binary-only drivers, which debian doesn't. |
| 23:56.20 | wayde | Hey guys :) debian newbie here ;) |
| 23:56.21 | Wyzard | deadcat: He hasn't even told us yet what model the card is |
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| 23:56.42 | deadcat | wayde: me too. |
| 23:56.45 | mike__ | 0000:00:12.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette] (rev 01) |
| 23:56.47 | deadcat | we're even |
| 23:56.52 | wayde | Deadcat: Good times :0 |
| 23:56.54 | deadcat | mike__: damn. |
| 23:56.56 | cafuego | mike__: Ok. A prism. This is good. |
| 23:57.07 | cafuego | Old, but supported :-) |
| 23:57.10 | deadcat | mike__: modprobe prism54 any good? |
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| 23:57.27 | Wyzard | mike__: That's a prism54... those work just fine with current (2.6) kernels, and a patch is available from older kernels |
| 23:57.32 | mike__ | cafuego: but the thing is, it detected it as something defferent on my knoppix cd |
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| 23:57.40 | mike__ | cafuego: different ** |
| 23:57.40 | Wyzard | mike__: You'll need a firmware file, available from prism54.org... docs are there too |
| 23:57.47 | deadcat | mike__: this aint knoppix |
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| 23:58.00 | mike__ | deadcat: i know, its just strange |
| 23:58.00 | cafuego | mike__: Knoppix will most likely be using a different kernel. |
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| 23:58.13 | deadcat | mike__: complain to #knoppix (= |
| 23:58.41 | dli | can squid use another proxy itself ? |
| 23:58.44 | mike__ | cafuego: do i need to select that in the kernel i need to compile, or will it be there already? |
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| 23:59.19 | Adrian | mike__: why do you need to compile a kernel? |
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| 23:59.29 | p8m | What could 'Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!' mean? |
| 23:59.39 | mike__ | Adrian: im running 2.4.17, and i want to use my wireless card |
| 23:59.46 | Wyzard | mike__: If you're running a kernel newer than 2.6.3 (IIRC) the driver comes with the kernel itself, and is probably included in Debian's kernel-image packages |
| 23:59.47 | wayde | Got a question... im running ircd-hybrid on my other debian system... but when it try to conect to it using my IRC client it says " Connection refussed " iv edited the /etc/hosts.allow but still cant seem to conect.. any idea? |
| 23:59.56 | Adrian | mike__: sarge? |
| 23:59.59 | Wyzard | mike__: For older kernels, you'll need to get the patch from prism54.org, apply it to your kernel sources, and recompile |
