| 00:00.01 | xsdg | epicenter: ESD is basically a daemon to allow multiple programs to play audio concurrently; it sort of sucks, though |
| 00:00.17 | epicenter | I still hear nothing dropping stuff on /dev/dsp |
| 00:00.25 | myren | polypaudio is pretty smooth |
| 00:00.35 | freddy | exit |
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| 00:00.41 | myren | it gives very accurate latency reports which is nice; you can see how bad its doing |
| 00:00.54 | myren | i'm astounded its not in debian yet |
| 00:01.03 | xsdg | myren: cool |
| 00:01.08 | a_monkey | xsdg: what package do i install? "lame"? |
| 00:01.13 | Kraig | :P |
| 00:01.14 | xsdg | myren: know how it compares to JACK? |
| 00:01.26 | xsdg | a_monkey: yeah |
| 00:02.01 | myren | i havent tried latency comparisons. i should do that. i'm having problems getting my sound machine's fibre array's modules in order, so i havent even gotten realtime-lsm working yet. :/ |
| 00:02.12 | a_monkey | xsdg: should i install "lame-extras"? |
| 00:02.17 | epicenter | xsdg: no idea what is wrong now |
| 00:02.17 | myren | that 2.6.11.2 kernel i built rocks the hosue, ipty it doesnt fscking work |
| 00:02.25 | epicenter | xsdg: ESD is killed and it still doesn't work |
| 00:02.27 | xsdg | a_monkey: dunno |
| 00:02.38 | xsdg | epicenter: what does /proc/asound/... report? (#flood) |
| 00:02.54 | Wyzard | myren: I built kernel-source-2.6.11 for both my desktop and my laptop yesterday... no problems on either |
| 00:03.12 | anhi | 2.6.11 with ck patches here, works perfectly |
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| 00:03.27 | myren | i almost never use debianized sources. i'm running the kernel fine on this here laptop, but my fibre array is being tweaky |
| 00:03.34 | myren | i'm not sure what i'm going to do |
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| 00:03.42 | myren | it complains about the firmware. qlogic qla2200 |
| 00:04.08 | xsdg | myren: fibre array? *slobber* |
| 00:04.51 | sorcre | I currently installed debian on my laptop (PCG-FRV26) and my resolution is stuck at 800 x 600. I tried to change it but I didn't see any bigger ones available. |
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| 00:05.01 | myren | its software raid. :/ |
| 00:05.06 | infinity_ | i can't figure out why the xserver won't load on my laptop. kdm displays, i can login, but the desktop never loads. |
| 00:05.06 | cheal | !drxx sorcre |
| 00:05.09 | dpkg | sorcre: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 00:05.13 | cheal | sorcre: did you try that? |
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| 00:05.17 | epicenter | xsdg: ok |
| 00:05.24 | sorcre | no, thanks, ill try |
| 00:05.30 | pi_ | Okay, so, what config directive allows postfix to accept emails directed at its IP and not domain name? |
| 00:05.31 | Cycne | olá , alguem disponivel a me dar uma dica sobre o bridge-utils ? |
| 00:05.35 | Cycne | porfavor |
| 00:05.38 | cheal | !es |
| 00:05.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:05.46 | asg | pi_: have you asked #postfix? |
| 00:05.47 | cheal | !pt |
| 00:05.47 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:05.52 | myren | that looks like portuguese or something |
| 00:05.54 | myren | yeah |
| 00:05.55 | pi_ | oh yea.. im not in postfix |
| 00:05.56 | pi_ | sorry. |
| 00:06.20 | infinity_ | when i login, all i see is the desktop background, i can move a mouse pointer. and nothing |
| 00:06.23 | asg | pi_: if they are asleep, check the docs for 'ip literal' |
| 00:06.53 | pi_ | thanks asg. |
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| 00:09.06 | xsdg | epicenter: unfortunately, I've got to head out now; good luck |
| 00:09.06 | epicenter | xsdg: no idea? |
| 00:09.09 | epicenter | ouch. |
| 00:09.13 | epicenter | thanks anyway |
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| 00:10.15 | a_monkey | will somebody with a lot of Eterm knowledge be willing to help me? |
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| 00:10.37 | asg | a_monkey: just ask you question. If someone knows, they'll answer. |
| 00:10.42 | asg | s/you/your/ |
| 00:10.43 | a_monkey | ok |
| 00:11.34 | a_monkey | for some reason, the --shade=% option shades the background blue. on my old distro it shaded it black. how do i change this? |
| 00:11.41 | a_monkey | i want it shaded black |
| 00:12.16 | asg | a_monkey: change the --tint option? |
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| 00:12.28 | a_monkey | asg: i tried |
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| 00:12.47 | a_monkey | asg: what should the --tint value be? "black"? "#000000"? |
| 00:12.56 | loren | anyone used Yoper? |
| 00:12.56 | a_monkey | asg: i already tried both of those... |
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| 00:15.11 | asg | a_monkey: hmmm, does fooling around with --cmod have the same result? |
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| 00:17.19 | sparrow | how do I slow down the midi music playing in PrBoom game? It sounds way too fast to my ear. |
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| 00:18.33 | pi_ | no ones in #postfix or ##postfix |
| 00:18.37 | pi_ | okay, then how can I make postfix use my spam filter for messages originating from localhost? |
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| 00:19.02 | FieldySnuts | @start an mta war |
| 00:19.05 | ravenbird | smail rulez |
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| 00:19.17 | robin_sz | evening ... |
| 00:19.34 | pi_ | nevermind |
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| 00:20.11 | robin_sz | OK, so explain to me .. you know the "debian weekly news" .. umm, isn't it supposed to come out, umm, well ... you know ... weekly? |
| 00:20.24 | anhi | robin_sz: it's in the mailing list |
| 00:20.43 | asg | robin_sz: yes, unless there is no news worth reporting. |
| 00:20.45 | sparrow | how can I slow down the midi music playing in prboom? It sounds way too fast to my ear. |
| 00:20.54 | robin_sz | ahh. |
| 00:21.03 | robin_sz | I was hoping for a release update |
| 00:21.28 | pi_ | okay.. |
| 00:21.31 | pi_ | didnt figure it out.l |
| 00:21.55 | robin_sz | anhi: which mailing list? |
| 00:22.15 | asg | robin_sz: we are putting new release updates that we are aware of in the '/msg dpkg wwsr' factoid |
| 00:22.31 | pi_ | how can I make postfix use my spam filter for messages originating from localhost? |
| 00:22.47 | CyL | How do I enable printing in Sarge? |
| 00:22.52 | pi_ | I thought I could just add the -o content_filter=filter.sh to smtp unix |
| 00:23.02 | anhi | robin_sz: debian-news (http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/debian-news-2005/threads.html) |
| 00:23.03 | pi_ | because I had already added that to smtp inet |
| 00:23.08 | pi_ | but that didnt work. |
| 00:23.30 | war- | Is Debian Sarge's XFree86 patched to support XRandR? |
| 00:23.47 | a_monkey | asg: i'm not sure how to use cmod. |
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| 00:24.21 | asg | CyL: there are innumerable ways. Try 'apt-get install cupsys |
| 00:24.29 | green_earz | CyL: there a section on set a printer up > http://linuxtimes.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=457 |
| 00:24.37 | pi_ | anyone? |
| 00:24.43 | a_monkey | asg: but altering the brightness contrast and gamma in the buttonbar doesn't do a thing. |
| 00:24.45 | asg | CyL: and either cupsys-client or cupsys-bsd (the point your browser at http://localhost:631) |
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| 00:25.02 | asg | a_monkey: very odd. Is your X configured for >8 bit color? |
| 00:25.17 | a_monkey | asg: i don't know. :P |
| 00:25.35 | a_monkey | asg: how would i find out? |
| 00:25.40 | minto | so i have the ati drivers installed, im running dual head and im having trouble getting the desktop to span the two screens |
| 00:25.57 | a_monkey | asg: oh what an idiot i am |
| 00:26.05 | a_monkey | asg: i use 24-bit color :P |
| 00:26.08 | robin_sz | anhi: thanks |
| 00:26.37 | asg | a_monkey: heh |
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| 00:27.19 | nobopo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.32 | asg | nobopo: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:27.46 | anhi | robin_sz: you're welcome |
| 00:27.46 | nobopo | 3 i think |
| 00:27.54 | a_monkey | Eterm was doing the same thing when i was using it on os x via fink |
| 00:27.57 | asg | nobopo: because 2.6 will not work on anything prior to woody and on woody only with userland modifications. |
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| 00:28.13 | nobopo | yea it's woody |
| 00:28.21 | asg | nobopo: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
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| 00:28.28 | a_monkey | has anybody else using the debian eterm had this blue-tintmask problem? |
| 00:28.32 | a_monkey | just curious |
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| 00:28.44 | sinoth | wow, 2.2... never used it, is it similar to 2.4? |
| 00:29.00 | asg | sinoth: older, woody ships with 2.2.20 |
| 00:29.03 | CyL | green_earz: asg: when I try to run gnome-cups-manager as root, I get an error message saying that the cups server could not be contacted |
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| 00:29.18 | CyL | green_earz: asg how do I start them? |
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| 00:29.22 | asg | CyL: did you install cupsys and configure it? |
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| 00:29.26 | sinoth | asg: didn't know that.. was 2.2 to 2.4 as big a jump as 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 00:29.32 | asg | CyL: /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
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| 00:29.41 | asg | sinoth: in many ways |
| 00:29.47 | CyL | asg: I guess it is already installed |
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| 00:29.57 | Flimzy | sineer: kernel 2.2 to 2.4? It was probably a bigger jump in many ways. |
| 00:30.02 | Flimzy | blah |
| 00:30.04 | Flimzy | sinoth, rather |
| 00:30.14 | asg | sinoth: 2.0 kernels are still being released |
| 00:30.31 | nobopo | should i upgrade to 2.4 first... i'm new to it all |
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| 00:30.39 | CyL | asg: There is no such a filer |
| 00:30.46 | CyL | s/filer/file |
| 00:30.47 | manu_manu | how do i find out whether a scsi device is single channel or dual channel |
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| 00:31.13 | Flimzy | manu_manu: I've never heard of "dual channel" SCSI devices. |
| 00:31.25 | sinoth | wow, didn't realize that.. i thought if you wanted stable, go 2.4.. newer stuff, 2.6. why would you use 2.0? |
| 00:31.28 | Flimzy | manu_manu: Do you mean if it's Wide or Narrow? |
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| 00:31.48 | sinoth | extremely specific hardware support perhaps? |
| 00:32.02 | asg | nobopo: of you run woody, you can 'apt-get install kernel-image' (pick and install a 2.4.18 one from the list for your arch and install it.) |
| 00:32.03 | Flimzy | sinoth: 2.0 is smaller. |
| 00:32.06 | Wyzard | sinoth: There are old systems which have been running it for a long time, and don't want to upgrade because any change has a risk of causing problems |
| 00:32.08 | asg | s/of/if/ |
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| 00:32.24 | asg | sinoth: some embedded devices still use 2.0.x kernels |
| 00:32.24 | Flimzy | sinoth: For small systems, a small, simple kernel may be better. As well as for legacy systems or hardware, as you suggested. |
| 00:32.44 | asg | CyL: then it isn't installed. apt-get install cupsys |
| 00:32.48 | sinoth | thats really interesting, thanks all |
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| 00:32.58 | manu_manu | Flimzy: what i meant was SCSI card |
| 00:33.03 | Flimzy | manu_manu: ah |
| 00:33.07 | Wyzard | sinoth: It's the same reason people run Debian stable releases instead of unstable... on something like a mission-critical server, you want software that's proven itself to be stable, and you don't want it to change |
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| 00:33.15 | Flimzy | manu_manu: Well... if it's "dual channel", then that just means it has two SCSI controllers on it. |
| 00:33.26 | CyL | asg: already done that... know the system is asking for a driver for the printer... where can I get those? |
| 00:33.32 | Flimzy | manu_manu: You would know it's got two controllers if it shows up twice in /proc/pci or lspci |
| 00:33.35 | CyL | s/know/now |
| 00:33.46 | manu_manu | Flimzy: let me try |
| 00:34.08 | asg | CyL: look at the 'Suggests: ' line of 'apt-cache show cupsys'. Install one or more of those packages |
| 00:34.26 | Flimzy | manu_manu: dual-controller SCSI cards are kinda rare (at least for consumer grade hardware), since one of the reasons for using SCSI is to not require multiple controllers to run many devices. |
| 00:35.55 | biggi_mat | doesn anyone have libphp4.so and he can upload it somewhere? |
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| 00:36.49 | Wyzard | biggi_mat: Why not just install the package which provides it? |
| 00:37.00 | biggi_mat | which one provides it? |
| 00:37.04 | biggi_mat | i tried lots of things |
| 00:37.11 | biggi_mat | couldn't find it |
| 00:37.13 | Wyzard | biggi_mat: "php4" on stable; "libapache-mod-php4" on testing and unstable |
| 00:37.24 | biggi_mat | k |
| 00:37.26 | biggi_mat | let me see |
| 00:37.28 | biggi_mat | thanks Wyzard |
| 00:37.30 | Wyzard | biggi_mat: http://packages.debian.org/ has a search feature that lets you find what packages contain a file with a given name |
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| 00:37.51 | biggi_mat | must remember that |
| 00:37.56 | nobopo | asg: why not a 2.6 |
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| 00:38.34 | biggi_mat | Wyzard |
| 00:38.38 | biggi_mat | when i'm trying to find it |
| 00:38.42 | biggi_mat | i ust can't |
| 00:38.45 | biggi_mat | whereis can't find it |
| 00:38.50 | biggi_mat | niether can locate |
| 00:39.18 | Wyzard | biggi_mat: Those only find files that are actually on your system... they don't help with packages that aren't installed |
| 00:39.27 | manu_manu | Flimzy: cat /proc/scsi shows ADAPTEC device but lspci -v dosent show any why? |
| 00:39.39 | biggi_mat | 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:39.40 | Flimzy | manu_manu: I dunno |
| 00:39.41 | biggi_mat | Need to get 0B/1614kB of archives. |
| 00:39.42 | biggi_mat | After unpacking 3236kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 00:39.43 | biggi_mat | Preconfiguring packages ... |
| 00:39.45 | biggi_mat | ySelecting previously deselected package libapache-mod-php4. |
| 00:39.46 | biggi_mat | (Reading database ... 20769 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 00:39.48 | biggi_mat | Unpacking libapache-mod-php4 (from .../libapache-mod-php4_4%3a4.3.10-10_i386.deb) ... |
| 00:39.49 | biggi_mat | Setting up libapache-mod-php4 (4.3.10-10) ... |
| 00:39.51 | biggi_mat | k0x:/etc# whereis libphp4.so |
| 00:39.52 | biggi_mat | libphp4: |
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| 00:39.54 | biggi_mat | k0x:/etc# locate libphp4.so |
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| 00:39.59 | biggi_mat | Wyzard it actually is installed |
| 00:40.02 | biggi_mat | interesting uh ? |
| 00:40.07 | caphuso | biggi_mat: don't flood |
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| 00:40.14 | biggi_mat | caphuso sorry for that |
| 00:40.15 | Wyzard | biggi_mat: I think you need to run updatedb before locate will find it |
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| 00:40.35 | delyan | cafuego_: hello mate ! |
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| 00:40.43 | Wyzard | biggi_mat: Anyway, installing the package puts it in the right place for it to work with apache... you don't really need to worry about exactly where the file is |
| 00:41.00 | biggi_mat | Wyzard so i don't need to load it in httpd.conf ? |
| 00:41.39 | Wyzard | biggi_mat: I think it automatically adds a LoadModule line when you install it... not sure though |
| 00:42.16 | biggi_mat | cool |
| 00:42.17 | biggi_mat | thanks |
| 00:42.23 | Wyzard | biggi_mat: If it didn't, just run "apache-modconf" |
| 00:42.27 | shingouz | manu_manu: is the adaptec a pci device in the first place? |
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| 00:42.59 | Wyzard | biggi_mat: (The header comments in /etc/apache/modules.conf mention that) |
| 00:43.16 | biggi_mat | i know :) |
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| 00:44.27 | Nexus | Is there a nice program that helps you change what starts and stops at what runlevel? |
| 00:44.43 | Wyzard | Nexus: update-rc.d |
| 00:44.44 | biggi_mat | k0x:/etc# /usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl restart |
| 00:44.44 | biggi_mat | Syntax error on line 235 of /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf: |
| 00:44.44 | biggi_mat | Cannot load /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so into server: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so: undefined symbol: ap_block_alarms |
| 00:44.47 | biggi_mat | damn |
| 00:44.58 | CyL | asg: Now the printer is installed with the correct driver, but when I try to print... it do not print anything... when I try to access the print jobs, all of them are cancelled... and when I try to restart them, I got the error client-error-not-possible |
| 00:45.01 | dondelelcaro | biggi_mat: uh, is this a Debian version of apache and the right version of libphp4.so? |
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| 00:45.40 | biggi_mat | dondelelcaro apache compiled with source not with apt-get and libphp4.so is from libapache-mod-php4 |
| 00:46.01 | dondelelcaro | biggi_mat: that's probably not going to work then, unless you're really careful with how you compile apache. |
| 00:46.02 | Wyzard | biggi_mat: Any particular reason why you compiled apache yourself rather than just installing the package? |
| 00:46.11 | Nexus | Wyzard, Cool. Thank you. |
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| 00:49.59 | ramiro | does anyone knows how to install a sound card thats not being recognized by debian??? |
| 00:50.34 | biggi_mat | if you don't have somewhere in modconf or somewhere try to download drivers |
| 00:50.40 | shingouz | ramiro: define "not recognized by debian" |
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| 00:52.46 | ramiro | while using windows, theres no problem with it, but when I'm using linux I receive the next message "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)The sound server will continue, using the null output device. " |
| 00:53.00 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 00:53.13 | shingouz | ramiro: add yourself to the audio group, logout and login again |
| 00:53.27 | Wyzard | ramiro: As the message says, your account doesn't have permission to use the sound device... as root, "adduser <your_username> audio" and then logout and back in |
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| 00:54.06 | biggi_mat | Wyzard |
| 00:54.07 | biggi_mat | well |
| 00:54.21 | biggi_mat | owh nothing yet |
| 00:54.24 | biggi_mat | let me check one more thing |
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| 00:55.32 | _mak_ | So... when I use XDM, and when I start firefox, I get this: |
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| 00:55.40 | _mak_ | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
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| 00:56.04 | _mak_ | Anyone seen that or have any ideas how to fix it? |
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| 00:56.51 | CyL | I've installed a printer with cups, now when a sent a print job to the printer, nothing happens |
| 00:57.13 | ramiro | Hey guys, thank you for your help, I tryed adding myself to the audio group, and restarted again, but now I get this message "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) " any advice?? |
| 00:57.33 | bbrazil | _mak_: wild guess: remove .Xauthority, logout any Xsessions or ssh -X and log back in |
| 00:57.52 | Wyzard | ramiro: Now you need to load the right driver module for your card... or install the "discover" package, which will (in most cases) detect it and load the module for you |
| 00:58.10 | Flimzy | ramiro: 1) FYI, restarting is not necessary for group changes to take effect. 2) /dev/dsp probably doesn't exist. |
| 00:58.10 | Flimzy | ramiro: Or the appropriate module isn't loaded |
| 00:58.14 | shingouz | ramiro: or you could help us help you by telling us what soundcard you have there |
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| 00:58.26 | _mak_ | bbrazil: I've tried that, and no luck. Every time I log in from XDM, the same thing happens. |
| 00:58.36 | bbrazil | _mak_: anything of note in /tmp ? |
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| 01:00.09 | _mak_ | bbrazil: Good idea... but nothing X-related, it seems. |
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| 01:00.28 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 01:00.31 | ramiro | using the command lspci I get this info multimedia audio controller "AC'97 Audio Controller" |
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| 01:01.01 | delyan | Wyzard: thanks for the tip.. looks like discover is a pretty useful tool... |
| 01:01.08 | bbrazil | _mak_: you tried restarting xdm? |
| 01:01.21 | shingouz | ramiro: how about checking the manuals you got with the card? it would be good to know the name of it... |
| 01:01.21 | Kraig | IIRC that was 8139too |
| 01:01.26 | Gnea | ramiro: looks like you clipped something |
| 01:01.36 | thingfish | I bet it's onboard. |
| 01:01.43 | Gnea | could be. |
| 01:01.44 | Kraig | :-) |
| 01:02.04 | _mak_ | bbrazil: Yeah, I've done a full reboot. Same thing. It's quite puzzling :). |
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| 01:03.05 | bbrazil | _mak_: you tried a failsafe session? How about anything in /var/log ? |
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| 01:03.45 | _mak_ | bbrazil: I don't know how to do a failsafe session from XDM, actually, and I'm going to check out /var/log now... |
| 01:04.39 | Rusty | ok |
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| 01:05.27 | bbrazil | _mak_: its only firefox that gices that? |
| 01:06.04 | ArchitectSinan | I've got just a "deb http://blah" line in my /etc/apt/sources.list file. Let's say i want to install "mysql-server" package which has lots of dependency packages. And let's say i already have all the .deb files in the http resource (all the dependent packages also). I see that if i run "apt-get install thepackage" apt-get will download the "thepackage-blah.deb" file to "/var/cache/apt/archives/" folder. When i copy all the "mysq |
| 01:06.25 | ramiro | thanks for your help guys, let me continue trying |
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| 01:06.47 | _mak_ | bbrazil: It's only firefox. Every other X program I've tried works fine. There's some funny stuff in /var/log/xdm.log |
| 01:07.04 | ArchitectSinan | sorry: "And let's say i already have all the .deb files in the http resource in MY DISC" |
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| 01:07.15 | _mak_ | bbrazil: e.g. Wed Apr 6 01:47:10 2005 xdm error (pid 4697): cannot remove process ID file /var/run/xdm.pid: Permission denied |
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| 01:08.28 | bbrazil | _mak_: thats interesting. what do the permissions look like? |
| 01:09.12 | _mak_ | bbrazil: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root |
| 01:09.27 | _mak_ | bbrazil: and xdm is running as root, anyhow |
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| 01:10.07 | CyL | Where can I get some help about CUPS? |
| 01:10.16 | bbrazil | _mak_: maybe extended attributes. anything from lsattr? also xdm might have dropped some privs |
| 01:10.59 | bbrazil | (assuming ext[23]) |
| 01:11.38 | _mak_ | bbrazil: ----------------- xdm.pid, so I think not. Yeah, it must have, or there's a bug. |
| 01:12.30 | _mak_ | bbrazil: the worst part is that if I google this, I get a bunch of morons saying "just do xhost +", which is a Really Bad Answer :) |
| 01:12.36 | bbrazil | _mak_: chkrootkit? may as well stop xdm rm that file and restart it. might be an ide to lsof xdm |
| 01:13.21 | bbrazil | _mak_: actually I was going to suggest that, only for testing though :) |
| 01:14.48 | bbrazil | _mak_: looking at manpages, is XAUTHORITY set by any chance? |
| 01:15.14 | Wyzard | Anyone have experience getting mplayer to do 5.1 analog output on a SB Live, playing from a DVD? |
| 01:15.31 | _mak_ | bbrazil: Nope, it isn't set. I'm figuring out lsof (know what it is, never used it before). |
| 01:15.33 | Gnea | whoa |
| 01:15.34 | Gnea | ALSA sound/core/pcm_native.c:1424: playback drain error (DMA or IRQ trouble?) |
| 01:16.10 | Wyzard | I can't use the "hwac3" codec because my speakers are analog, and when I pass "-channels 6" to the a52 software AC3 codec, I get messages about "6 channels conversion", "5 channels conversion", etc. being unimplemented, and it falls back to 2ch |
| 01:16.35 | Gnea | this on a Ensoniq 1370 that is the second sound card on the system (first is the onboard nforce2 '97) |
| 01:16.43 | Gnea | it was working fine before... |
| 01:17.13 | bbrazil | _mak_: ah, theres an xauth command, try 'list' |
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| 01:19.16 | _mak_ | bbrazil: I've been doing that with a debian friend of mine, and it seems to be unhelpful. It also seems I have what might be "too many" of those keys, but it's hard to know |
| 01:20.21 | lovebug | hi, is it possible to install ubuntu base and imediate revert to debian somehow? debian installer rc3 has no driver for my wirelss card, ubuntu has driver, but I want debian |
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| 01:20.52 | poonj | hey guys...I'm trying to use cdrecord to burn a cd using a 2.6.11 kernel. I did a cdrecord dev=help and for the ATA device, I get "Open via UNIX device: not supported". what does that mean? |
| 01:21.18 | _mak_ | bbrazil: I'm really baffled here. Unfortunately, I also have to leave now. Thanks for your help. I'll keep looking into it, and probably come back here :) |
| 01:21.29 | Nexus____ | if I do a dpkg -l why do some packages show up with an rc next to them? |
| 01:21.30 | cg0def | what is the nitro0e-x1 kernel image |
| 01:21.37 | _mak_ | .quit |
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| 01:22.29 | caphuso | Nexus____: because you removed them |
| 01:23.25 | Nexus____ | caphuso OK, I thought that was the case, but how do I get them to go away? Why do they show up in the list if they aren't installed anymore. |
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| 01:24.14 | caphuso | Nexus____: why shouldn't they? |
| 01:24.42 | loren | what would be really cool is a alt-tab like application thing, where you hold shift space and a menu comes up with tons of application icons grouped by what they do, that'd be a pimped out menu |
| 01:24.56 | caphuso | Nexus____: they still have files on your system, so getting them out of that list would cause quite a mess |
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| 01:26.57 | Nexus____ | Alright.. One other question... How do I get a script to run on start? Is there something like an rc-local? |
| 01:27.15 | shingouz | Nexus____: man update-rc.d |
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| 01:28.11 | Nexus____ | shingouz What exactly will that do for me? |
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| 01:28.39 | Nexus____ | shingouz I've been using that to remove start scripts, but does that have the answer of how to get a single line script to run? |
| 01:28.47 | shingouz | Nexus____: that will show you the manpage of update-rc.d |
| 01:29.05 | Nexus____ | shingouz, *chuckle* Yea, uh, thank you Mr. Obvious... |
| 01:29.16 | shingouz | yes. you just make a script and put it in the correct place, then update-rc.d |
| 01:29.53 | Nexus____ | shingouz Ok. The thing is in on other distros there is a file such as rc.local that lets you add things in without creating a script. Just wondering if debian has something similar. |
| 01:30.08 | shingouz | Nexus____: /etc/init.d |
| 01:31.05 | shingouz | Nexus____: but do not come crying if you manage to screw up your system, it is not advisable to make your own scripts unless you know what you do (i do not know if you know what you do, sorry :) |
| 01:31.41 | Nexus____ | shingouz. :) I simply need my fwbuilder script to run on startup. |
| 01:32.47 | shingouz | Nexus____: put the script into /etc/init.d and make the appropriate links with update-rc.d. just make sure the script runs when it should, ie you have the network up but do not screw up something else |
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| 01:35.36 | cafuego | why is it so hot? |
| 01:35.39 | astronut | how good is laptop suspend-to-disk support? |
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| 01:36.58 | steve_ | hello |
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| 01:37.06 | ireverentReveren | i inserted my orinoco gold card into my laptop. THe lights fail to light up. same if i modprobe orinoco_cs... waht kernel options am i missing? |
| 01:37.07 | Gnea | astronut: about as good as you make it |
| 01:37.08 | steve_ | why cant i install bitchx anymore with apt |
| 01:37.17 | astronut | Gnea: meaning? |
| 01:38.05 | steve_ | where did bitchx go? |
| 01:38.09 | Wyzard | ireverentReveren: Does a new network interface show up when you load the module? |
| 01:38.10 | Gnea | astronut: meaning it's all dependant upon your setup and what you do to help support and maintain it vs. the thought of "well i plugged it in and it should just WORK i don't CARE how it does!" |
| 01:38.12 | steve_ | in the package repository? |
| 01:38.22 | astronut | Gnea: you mean like windows ;-) |
| 01:38.24 | Gnea | if that makes any sense |
| 01:38.25 | Wyzard | ireverentReveren: ("ifconfig -a" to see all your interfaces) |
| 01:38.27 | Gnea | astronut: hahaha yeah |
| 01:38.37 | astronut | i run deb on both of my desktops, laptop's still win32 |
| 01:38.39 | astronut | for school |
| 01:38.48 | Gnea | ok |
| 01:38.53 | Gnea | honestly, i don't know |
| 01:39.04 | Gnea | but if i wanted to find out |
| 01:39.04 | ireverentReveren | Wyzard nope |
| 01:39.20 | steve_ | !sarge |
| 01:39.20 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
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| 01:39.37 | Wyzard | ireverentReveren: OK, dunno then |
| 01:39.45 | Gnea | i'd hit up google with search terms such as 'linux laptop save to disk' |
| 01:39.52 | steve_ | !bitchx |
| 01:39.52 | dpkg | Why are you adding such dumb factoids? We don't need more idiots with quit messages. |
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| 01:40.06 | astronut | steve_: use irssi, it's better |
| 01:40.12 | astronut | this from a converted bitchx user |
| 01:40.13 | steve_ | what happened to bitchx? |
| 01:40.17 | steve_ | i am using irssi now |
| 01:40.19 | Gnea | astronut: please note i used ' instead of " as to denote don't-use-ANY-quotes-on-the-search-terms |
| 01:40.25 | steve_ | just curious what happened to bitchx |
| 01:40.31 | astronut | ya |
| 01:40.38 | astronut | Gnea: i know that ;-) |
| 01:40.42 | Gnea | but let's see |
| 01:40.52 | Gnea | astronut: oh ok cool, not everyone knows, i had to make sure ;) |
| 01:40.57 | steve_ | astronut: what happened to bitchx? |
| 01:41.03 | steve_ | anybody know?/ |
| 01:41.07 | steve_ | !irssi |
| 01:41.08 | dpkg | well, irssi is the best irc client ever |
| 01:41.13 | Gnea | lol |
| 01:41.14 | astronut | steve_: it's installed on my system... |
| 01:41.15 | Gnea | Third Eye 1.72 |
| 01:41.30 | astronut | it's in apt on sid |
| 01:41.34 | steve_ | bitchx was cool though |
| 01:41.51 | astronut | shows up on my apt-cache for sarge |
| 01:41.52 | Gnea | epic4 is a classic with third eye |
| 01:41.54 | astronut | what are you looking for? |
| 01:42.04 | steve_ | okay- lemme show you my output |
| 01:42.09 | astronut | which one? |
| 01:42.15 | astronut | #flood |
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| 01:43.26 | suffer | their panel keeps crashing |
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| 01:44.40 | Gnea | astronut: oh, speaking of microsoft, it took them HOW many years to get this email out? -> http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/395427?ref=rss |
| 01:45.01 | astronut | Gnea: as i said, i only run linux on all my desktops |
| 01:45.17 | astronut | i've seen that email several times actualyl |
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| 01:45.21 | astronut | i think they do it periodically |
| 01:45.26 | Gnea | heh |
| 01:45.27 | sufferer | which one? |
| 01:45.29 | Gnea | interesting |
| 01:45.41 | steve_ | did they take bitchx out of debian? |
| 01:45.42 | sufferer | how can I make the debian menus dissappear from gnome |
| 01:45.42 | sufferer | ? |
| 01:45.58 | Gnea | sufferer: read |
| 01:46.00 | astronut | i see it from 5/19/04 |
| 01:46.07 | caphuso | steve_: out of sarge |
| 01:46.09 | astronut | fairly similar text |
| 01:46.11 | Gnea | oh |
| 01:46.12 | astronut | but not PGP signed |
| 01:46.15 | sufferer | read what? |
| 01:46.18 | Gnea | so they started a year ago |
| 01:46.22 | astronut | no |
| 01:46.23 | Gnea | lol |
| 01:46.27 | astronut | my mail archive started a year ago ;-) |
| 01:46.28 | Gnea | :) |
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| 01:46.32 | Gnea | LOL |
| 01:46.33 | now3d | hi, does anyone kow where I could find some non-free realplayer debs please..? |
| 01:46.44 | astronut | actually 1/14/04 |
| 01:46.49 | astronut | was beggining of my mail archive |
| 01:46.51 | astronut | for bugtraq |
| 01:46.57 | astronut | except 2 messages w/ screwed up dates |
| 01:47.20 | astronut | pgp key announce 10/05/04 |
| 01:47.24 | Gnea | hrm |
| 01:47.27 | Gnea | !realplayer |
| 01:47.27 | dpkg | it has been said that realplayer is a proprietary Real player, or http://www.real.com/linux/ or ask me about helix player, or ask me about shit |
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| 01:47.38 | Gnea | !shit |
| 01:47.38 | dpkg | i heard shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 01:47.38 | astronut | and i see several MS employess who have messages on bugtraq |
| 01:47.53 | Gnea | !helix player |
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| 01:47.53 | dpkg | methinks helix player is the Helix Community's GTK2-based open source media player that can read Real formats, in Sid and Sarge. apt-get install helix-player or https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/ |
| 01:48.05 | astronut | !pkginfo bitchx |
| 01:48.05 | steve_ | i type apt-get search bitchx, and only the pork aim client shows up!!! |
| 01:48.10 | now3d | Gnea: thanks, but i'm interested in pacakges. I can already find rpm and .bin files... |
| 01:48.16 | astronut | steve_: what branch? |
| 01:48.22 | steve_ | testing?? |
| 01:48.32 | astronut | i'm on sarge |
| 01:48.33 | astronut | and i have it |
| 01:48.35 | astronut | do apt-get update |
| 01:48.37 | astronut | then try again |
| 01:48.42 | steve_ | i just installed today! |
| 01:48.44 | tony | steve_, apt-cache search <packagenamehere> |
| 01:48.57 | Gnea | now3d: what part didn't you read? realplayer is a proprietary Real player OR apt-get install helix-player |
| 01:48.57 | astronut | tony: he said he used it |
| 01:49.02 | steve_ | and only pork aim client comes up |
| 01:49.15 | astronut | steve_: apt-get update |
| 01:49.17 | astronut | run that |
| 01:49.18 | astronut | then try |
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| 01:49.30 | steve_ | i did! |
| 01:49.33 | steve_ | 0 updated |
| 01:49.41 | astronut | hmm |
| 01:49.41 | steve_ | cuz i installed an hour ago |
| 01:49.43 | astronut | one sec |
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| 01:49.49 | astronut | what type of install? |
| 01:49.54 | steve_ | net |
| 01:49.58 | astronut | hmm |
| 01:50.01 | steve_ | off the buisnesscard cd |
| 01:50.05 | Gnea | steve_: you sure you have non-free and contrib selected in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:50.08 | now3d | Gnea: I read all. However, it still does not answer my question: "does anyone kow where I could find some non-free realplayer debs please..?" |
| 01:50.09 | astronut | ah |
| 01:50.11 | astronut | that sounds like it |
| 01:50.20 | steve_ | lemme check gnea |
| 01:50.23 | Gnea | er |
| 01:50.28 | Gnea | k |
| 01:50.39 | Gnea | now3d: read what i said to steve_ |
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| 01:51.13 | astronut | hmm |
| 01:51.25 | Gnea | that is interesting.. |
| 01:51.27 | astronut | does apt-cache show if somethings in contrib? |
| 01:51.29 | now3d | Gnea: I do not see anything relevant said to steve_ |
| 01:51.37 | shingouz | now3d: get the player from real.com and usel alien to install it. doable but not worth it |
| 01:51.50 | Gnea | astronut: if it's defined in /etc/apt/sources.list on the deb .. line then yes |
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| 01:52.11 | astronut | Gnea: hmm? |
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| 01:52.29 | pi_ | okay, so i decided to do a very bare install and install as I needed this time. |
| 01:52.37 | Gnea | what... shit sorry i've have a few beers |
| 01:52.40 | pi_ | What did I miss, I cannot find dig |
| 01:52.48 | astronut | hmm |
| 01:52.52 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:53.02 | pi_ | !dpkg dig |
| 01:53.03 | dpkg | dig is probably part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail |
| 01:53.06 | Gnea | astronut: what i mean is, look at your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:53.09 | astronut | steve_ was correct |
| 01:53.18 | astronut | Gnea: but how do you tell where a specific one came from |
| 01:53.20 | astronut | which seciton |
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| 01:53.21 | Gnea | and see if the deb http://.... lines have non-free contrib |
| 01:53.27 | astronut | i don't see it on packages.debian.org |
| 01:53.33 | Gnea | well see |
| 01:54.03 | Nwallins | i'm having trouble with fastcgi not interpreting ruby scripts. the only cgi stuff i'm using is ruby on rails, which i've just started with. is there a good way to verify fastcgi is set up properly? |
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| 01:54.29 | Gnea | astronut: right that's a special repo, you wanna snag from a main repo or a 'special' repo |
| 01:54.38 | Nwallins | this is with apache 1.3 |
| 01:54.59 | Gnea | where 'special' means basically non-free but not included within the distributed distribution itself (third-party software) |
| 01:55.08 | astronut | Gnea: trying to see what an already installed package came out of |
| 01:55.13 | astronut | and i think he's right |
| 01:55.18 | astronut | i don't see it on packaged.sebian .org |
| 01:55.25 | Gnea | heh |
| 01:55.38 | sufferer | ok then how about a more challenging one then ... how do I keep the gnome panel from continuously crashing? |
| 01:55.38 | b3tty | im having some problems with ndiswrapper, im using a linksys wpc54gs and ndiswrapper seems to install fine, when i type iwconfig i get a wlan0, but the card doesnt go online. Ive tried specifying the essid, this doesnt even register. I have no clue what to do, Im a wireless n00b, can someone help me out? |
| 01:55.38 | astronut | switch the s and d there, heh |
| 01:55.45 | astronut | i see it in stable and unstable but not testing |
| 01:55.50 | Gnea | right :) |
| 01:55.52 | Gnea | hehe |
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| 01:56.06 | sufferer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.12 | b3tty | i dont have any encryption turned on, so it should just grab an ip address shouldnt it ? |
| 01:56.20 | thomas_adam | Nwallins: Can you be more specific? |
| 01:56.21 | Gnea | sufferer: apt-get install enlightenment |
| 01:56.27 | Phoenix_Zero | does anyone here have experience working with the kcmpureftpd gui interface for pureftpd? |
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| 01:56.38 | sufferer | I can't see how to fix it unless I completely blow away their settings |
| 01:56.53 | smouche | sufferer, I solved that problem by switching to kde. Now just my file browser krashes, and my editor, and my... ;-) |
| 01:57.04 | sufferer | and they refuse ... they just say "fix it" |
| 01:57.07 | sufferer | yeah |
| 01:57.16 | now3d | shingouz: ok, thanks. that worked |
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| 01:57.42 | Phoenix_Zero | I wise admin once said "if It wasnt for the users...my network would be perfect" |
| 01:57.57 | Nwallins | thomas_adam: http://rails.borat.gotdns.org/person it looks like the template for a fastcgi error with no real info |
| 01:58.09 | sufferer | i should set up some easy to use system using rcs backups of all the user configs so they can roll back until it starts to work |
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| 01:58.34 | sufferer | smouche, ha |
| 01:58.34 | Gnea | sufferer: see, this is one of the reasons why the gnome panel, much like kde and other window managers/desktop systems that are modeled after microsfot are so badly implemented - if you want a *really* good desktop manager with an application launcher that doesn't suck ass, you might want to look into the continuing development of e17 |
| 01:58.46 | astronut | uhhmm.... |
| 01:58.54 | astronut | anyone on sid notice that the gaim spell checker broke? |
| 01:58.55 | thomas_adam | e17, heh. |
| 01:58.56 | sufferer | Gnea, it's not my decision |
| 01:59.03 | Gnea | sufferer: gotcha |
| 01:59.03 | sufferer | it's a lab with 50 users |
| 01:59.08 | sufferer | 47 on gnome |
| 01:59.13 | astronut | and links aren't underlined |
| 01:59.16 | shingouz | astronut: there is a spell checker on that? damn |
| 01:59.17 | sufferer | 2 on WindowMaker |
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| 01:59.25 | sufferer | and one on the console :-) |
| 01:59.37 | Nwallins | thomas_adam: rails works fine with regular cgi.. i added non-free to sources.list and installed libapache-mod-fastcgi accordingly |
| 01:59.39 | Gnea | sufferer: they each their own installation or they all netbooting like thinclients? |
| 01:59.39 | astronut | shingouz: ya...underlines misspelled words |
| 01:59.40 | astronut | hmm |
| 01:59.45 | astronut | seems underline support vanished |
| 01:59.46 | sufferer | yeah |
| 01:59.49 | |^iceman^| | Hi... installed debian3.0 r2-cannot get x-windows to work. I get a graphical login screen, but the mouse is frozen. Anyone tell me which mouse to use in the install? It's a Microsoft USB wireless.. can't find any USB mice in the options |
| 01:59.50 | astronut | for links, misspelled words or regular text |
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| 02:00.01 | thomas_adam | Nwallins: Ask in #debian-ruby and/or #ruby |
| 02:00.01 | astronut | either that or my fonts screwed up |
| 02:00.08 | sufferer | or using Xterminal tyep setups |
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| 02:00.26 | Nwallins | what i'm looking for is a way to test if fastcgi is setup properly |
| 02:00.28 | shingouz | astronut: hehe.. i doubt it is much of a use when on irc or msn or somethin glike that. irc spellchecker... woo |
| 02:00.39 | astronut | shingouz: i like it |
| 02:00.56 | astronut | i don't use it for irc thoguh |
| 02:01.16 | shingouz | astronut: i'm not saying that gaim is bad, i use it myself from time to time, i just wonder what the spellchecker is doing there |
| 02:01.20 | Vegar | Why do I have to reinstall the nvidia drivers after rebooting? |
| 02:01.24 | Vegar | happens all the time |
| 02:01.30 | astronut | shingouz: it's a feature...it's optional |
| 02:01.36 | Gnea | Vegar: what reboot? |
| 02:01.50 | Vegar | Gnea: any kind |
| 02:01.56 | Phoenix_Zero | does anyone here have experience working with the kcmpureftpd gui interface for pureftpd? |
| 02:02.05 | Gnea | Vegar: well we only support Debian GNU/Linux here |
| 02:02.21 | shingouz | astronut: you could install the older version of gaim for the time being |
| 02:02.23 | Vegar | ok |
| 02:02.35 | astronut | shingouz: my friend is on same one, no issue |
| 02:02.36 | astronut | interesting |
| 02:02.55 | Vegar | then my question is: when is the nvidia-kernel-source package being updated? |
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| 02:03.02 | Gnea | Vegar: like, what kernel are you running? what sub-distro? woody/sarge/sid? |
| 02:03.04 | CyL | When I try to print using the CUPS system, my job is instantlly cancelled. Could anybody please help me with this? |
| 02:03.23 | Vegar | Gnea: sid, 2.6.11 |
| 02:03.23 | Gnea | Vegar: there's no such thing as a free lucnh, pal :) |
| 02:03.25 | Gnea | lunch |
| 02:03.44 | shingouz | CyL: check that your printer is not stopped |
| 02:03.48 | sufferer | CyL, permissions or CUPS setup issue |
| 02:03.49 | Gnea | Vegar: ok so you installed the source, what did you do next? |
| 02:03.58 | sufferer | the spool |
| 02:04.04 | sufferer | needs to be writable |
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| 02:04.09 | CyL | shingouz: the printer is not stopped |
| 02:04.26 | CyL | sufferer: What do you mean by that? |
| 02:04.34 | sufferer | are you sure it's cancelled |
| 02:04.43 | wpostma | Does anyone know how Unicode (on non-latin symbols, such as east-asian/indic languages) picks an alternate font when the indicated font (such as Arial) doesn't contain a particular glyph? |
| 02:04.58 | sufferer | the place where the files are spooled before going to the printer |
| 02:05.05 | Vegar | Gnea: I had to install the drivers from nvidia.com because the one in apt didn't work with 2.6.11 |
| 02:05.05 | Gnea | Vegar: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source , and you did what next, exactly? did you go and compile it? |
| 02:05.09 | sufferer | what's in there? |
| 02:05.21 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 02:05.35 | Vegar | Gnea: usually I do module-assistant auto-install |
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| 02:06.01 | CyL | sufferer: Whe I access the jobs page via the web interface, it shows no jobs... when I click the Show completed jobs button, it shows all the jobs as cancelled |
| 02:06.04 | kurumin | Helder_M_gomes |
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| 02:06.28 | sufferer | ok |
| 02:06.55 | sufferer | it's not finding the printer |
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| 02:07.43 | CyL | sufferer: when I try to restart the job, I got the error: client-error-not-possible |
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| 02:09.42 | sufferer | you need to be root or to be authenticated to print |
| 02:09.52 | sufferer | it sounds like a config issue |
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| 02:10.11 | CyL | sufferer: there are root jobs that were cancelled |
| 02:10.48 | |^iceman^| | Help pls anyone... installed debian3.0 r2 Basic install is good, but cannot get x-windows to work. I get a graphical login screen for x-windows, but the mouse is frozen. Anyone tell me which mouse driver to use in the install? It's a Microsoft USB wireless.. can't find any USB mice in the options |
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| 02:11.35 | thomas_adam | |^iceman^|: /msg dpkg usb mouse |
| 02:11.37 | madclicker | ahoy |
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| 02:11.59 | CyL | sufferer: Any hint about what is going on? |
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| 02:12.10 | madclicker | when i /msg dpkg, is it a server that i am messaging? |
| 02:12.35 | sufferer | CyL, dunno try one of the cupsconfig tools |
| 02:12.57 | TecnoVM64 | hi everybody, i have a problem, i've installed the latest kernel in my linuxbox, then i've modified lilo.conf, and everything was ok, but when i've restarted, my linuxbox gives a lot of errors saying "read-only filesystem", i've deleted ro in fstab and it's still read-only |
| 02:12.59 | |^iceman^| | thomas_adam: run that as root in a console? |
| 02:13.04 | sufferer | it's likely permissions |
| 02:13.17 | sufferer | or cups crashing |
| 02:13.18 | CyL | sufferer: like gnome-cups-manager? |
| 02:13.23 | sufferer | i guess |
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| 02:13.41 | lewiz | Hi, I've got a fairly simple question. I'm new to Debian but I'm trying to make a package. I've run configure with --prefix=/tmp/foo and I can then use dpkg-deb -b to create the actual deb file. Problem is /tmp/foo seems to be hardcoded in some of the files, which is not what I want. Is there a more sensible way to build with default locations but install to a different prefix? |
| 02:13.42 | root | hi |
| 02:13.46 | CyL | sufferer: I gues not... cupsd is running... |
| 02:13.55 | sufferer | restart it |
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| 02:14.08 | root | I have a problem on my box |
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| 02:14.22 | TecnoVM64 | erm... is there any solution to my problem? |
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| 02:14.44 | steve__ | hey- i boofed up configuring xwindows |
| 02:14.46 | root | guys ? |
| 02:14.55 | steve__ | whats the dpkg-reconfigure xwindows? |
| 02:15.11 | CyL | sufferer: already restarted it via /etc/init.d/cupsys several times |
| 02:15.29 | root | can someone help meeeeee ? |
| 02:15.55 | Phoenix_Zero | dont ask to ask |
| 02:15.55 | Phoenix_Zero | ask |
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| 02:15.59 | astronut | steve__: xfree86-common |
| 02:16.00 | root__ | uh hi |
| 02:16.01 | astronut | i believe |
| 02:16.03 | root__ | I think my box got hacked |
| 02:16.06 | root__ | can anybody help? |
| 02:16.14 | Phoenix_Zero | wow...two people signed in under a derivative of root in under 5 minutes |
| 02:16.26 | Phoenix_Zero | I sure as hell can't |
| 02:16.29 | Chass | and neither asked intelligent questions |
| 02:16.36 | Phoenix_Zero | well theyre trying to |
| 02:16.37 | Chass | :P |
| 02:16.40 | Phoenix_Zero | theyre probly just worried |
| 02:16.41 | TecnoVM64 | well.. |
| 02:16.46 | Phoenix_Zero | root: ask the question |
| 02:16.48 | root | why is root bad ? |
| 02:16.52 | Chass | one asked to ask, and the next just said they THINK their box was hacked. |
| 02:16.53 | root | hehe |
| 02:16.53 | Phoenix_Zero | root_: I can't but someone here probably cant |
| 02:17.03 | doublehp | [^.]*\ matches any char; how to match any char EXEPT spaces ? |
| 02:17.07 | root__ | root I think it's because it doesn't tell people what your name is |
| 02:17.09 | Chass | if we were given details, then maybe we could help out |
| 02:17.14 | root__ | it's bad because it's confusing |
| 02:17.15 | Phoenix_Zero | root: calling yourself root is kind of like someone signing into a christian channel with the name "jesus_christ" |
| 02:17.17 | root__ | we both have the same name |
| 02:17.23 | root__ | that's why it's bad |
| 02:17.28 | TecnoVM64 | is somebody going to help me? :/ |
| 02:17.32 | root | oh yeah, jesus is me in fact. |
| 02:17.39 | root | anyway... I have another problem |
| 02:17.39 | steve__ | xfree86-common dont work |
| 02:17.40 | Chass | root, root__ its bad because if your client has a bug its possiblie that your machine can get hacked through the IRC client. |
| 02:17.40 | Phoenix_Zero | we're yelling at people, give us a second |
| 02:17.49 | root | what is kernel panic ? |
| 02:17.52 | Phoenix_Zero | .... |
| 02:17.54 | Phoenix_Zero | equiv of BSOD |
| 02:18.02 | Phoenix_Zero | wow..that sucks.. |
| 02:18.02 | root__ | Chass how would they hack me? I read on Slashdot that you can't hack Linux |
| 02:18.08 | Phoenix_Zero | .... |
| 02:18.11 | TecnoVM64 | :/ |
| 02:18.12 | Phoenix_Zero | you can hack anything |
| 02:18.14 | Chass | and if you get hacked on an irc client, you would probably want to be a user and not root |
| 02:18.17 | Phoenix_Zero | linux is just MORE secure |
| 02:18.20 | Phoenix_Zero | not perfectly secure |
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| 02:18.25 | bbrazil | doublehp: [^ ] . matches any char |
| 02:18.41 | TecnoVM64 | help plz |
| 02:18.41 | root__ | well if Linux isn't perfectly secure why don't I use windows? |
| 02:18.46 | root | yeah |
| 02:18.48 | root__ | at least on windows it doesn't call me root on msn |
| 02:18.54 | steve__ | whats the command to reconfigure xfree86 |
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| 02:19.06 | Chass | nothing is perfectly secure :) |
| 02:19.10 | Phoenix_Zero | ... |
| 02:19.19 | CyL | steve__: xf86config |
| 02:19.22 | joeytwiddle | TecnoVM64, undo your changes; try previous kernel |
| 02:19.29 | root__ | joeytwiddle did you install the firewall? I had problems with XP but then I installed service pack 2 which enabled the firewall and it was fine |
| 02:19.29 | root | please sdomeone help me :( |
| 02:19.31 | Chass | free OS, great development environment, faster system, tonnes of free tools. thats why i use linux. |
| 02:19.34 | root | I get kernel panic ! |
| 02:19.37 | root__ | root what is the matter? |
| 02:19.41 | Chass | i'm mostly carefree and dont give a shit about being hacked. i do backups ;) |
| 02:19.44 | joeytwiddle | TecnoVM64, or add rw? |
| 02:19.48 | root__ | kernel panic? That sounds funny! |
| 02:19.49 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: fsck it |
| 02:19.52 | TecnoVM64 | i've add it |
| 02:19.52 | root | why does my kernel panic ? is he shy ? :( |
| 02:19.57 | root__ | that's one good thing about Linux! They have funny names for bugs |
| 02:19.58 | TecnoVM64 | how do i fsck it? |
| 02:20.07 | joeytwiddle | root__, first time firewall would have secured me. second time it was an out-of-date webapp (twiki) which i should have upgraded |
| 02:20.15 | lewiz | Chass: And what if you don't know you get broken into and you get used to spam/propogate viruses? |
| 02:20.28 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: suprisingly with the 'fsck' command |
| 02:20.31 | root__ | joeytwiddle you should always remember to download the service packs |
| 02:20.34 | TecnoVM64 | :o |
| 02:20.34 | TecnoVM64 | ok |
| 02:20.35 | Phoenix_Zero | used to spam and viruses; that's like a description of using windows |
| 02:20.44 | Chass | lewiz, thats a shitty possibility... but i do watch my network traffic, thats one way to catch it. if it sa really smart hack though, i'd probably not catch it |
| 02:20.47 | root | yeah |
| 02:20.54 | root | is there servicepacks for linux ? |
| 02:20.56 | joeytwiddle | root__, this software was not packaged for my system; so i got lazy upgrading it :P |
| 02:20.58 | Phoenix_Zero | me, I do use XP Pro and 2K3 but I use them because one linux machine is really all I need |
| 02:20.58 | Phoenix_Zero | no |
| 02:21.01 | root | I've heard there was patches |
| 02:21.02 | Phoenix_Zero | because its not centralized |
| 02:21.03 | Chass | Phoenix_Zero, no it happens. good hacks can replace a lot of system tools even to exclude detection |
| 02:21.04 | lewiz | Chass: Sounds like a good reason to keep up-to-date with security patches then ;) |
| 02:21.10 | root | but how can I apply a patch to / ? |
| 02:21.17 | Phoenix_Zero | Chass: what happens? |
| 02:21.30 | joeytwiddle | root, if you use debian, just: apt-get upgrade |
| 02:21.31 | root__ | joeytwiddle you need to set the automatic updates program to on |
| 02:21.34 | root | system tools ? the vmlinuz shit ? |
| 02:21.37 | Chass | lewiz, yeah yeah.. i use debian testing and run an update daily, so thats good enough for me. i also have a hardware firewall half-assed configured |
| 02:21.42 | Phoenix_Zero | root:... |
| 02:21.54 | Phoenix_Zero | YES!! another person who half ass configures things... |
| 02:21.59 | root | how can you replace vmlinuz ? |
| 02:22.11 | Phoenix_Zero | I have the security system in my house half ass configured :) |
| 02:22.18 | root__ | Joeytwiddle I was lazy with Windows, and then I thought my friend had sent me a screensaver but instead it was a virus, so I got hacked :( Afterwards, I put auto updates on and it was better |
| 02:22.18 | joeytwiddle | root, install a new kernel-image package |
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| 02:22.30 | Phoenix_Zero | joey..he doesnt know how to do that |
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| 02:22.36 | Phoenix_Zero | root |
| 02:22.44 | Phoenix_Zero | get the name of a kernel for your arch |
| 02:22.47 | Phoenix_Zero | then apt-get install it |
| 02:22.57 | Phoenix_Zero | so for instance, whats your CPU? |
| 02:23.01 | root | what is apti ? |
| 02:23.09 | root | intel pentium |
| 02:23.09 | root__ | how do I get RPM to work? |
| 02:23.13 | root__ | I downloaded RPM |
| 02:23.16 | root__ | but it won't install |
| 02:23.18 | Phoenix_Zero | apt is the package manager for debian |
| 02:23.23 | Phoenix_Zero | rpm only works in red hat and mandrake I believe |
| 02:23.29 | Phoenix_Zero | you need to get a tar.gz |
| 02:23.33 | Phoenix_Zero | or get it through apt |
| 02:23.38 | Phoenix_Zero | wait a minute... |
| 02:23.39 | Phoenix_Zero | idea |
| 02:23.39 | root | I've been told that to install package I must use emerge |
| 02:23.41 | Phoenix_Zero | both of you |
| 02:23.42 | Phoenix_Zero | right now |
| 02:23.47 | Phoenix_Zero | go to the shell |
| 02:23.48 | root__ | why would it only work in redhat? It's Linux isn't it? |
| 02:23.50 | root | but when I type emerge it sdoesn't do anything |
| 02:23.53 | Phoenix_Zero | you guys know where to get the shell? |
| 02:23.56 | steve__ | to reconfigre xwindows- what do i type? dpkg-reconfigure *what* |
| 02:24.02 | root__ | Phoenix_Zero shell? |
| 02:24.05 | Phoenix_Zero | ok |
| 02:24.13 | Phoenix_Zero | are you two using kde or gnome for your gui? |
| 02:24.22 | root__ | Phoenix_Zero how do I tell? |
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| 02:24.24 | root | shell ? I don't like to wear a shell ! |
| 02:24.26 | Phoenix_Zero | um |
| 02:24.32 | root | oops |
| 02:24.33 | Phoenix_Zero | at the lower left is there a big K with a gear? |
| 02:24.35 | root | not a shield |
| 02:24.43 | Phoenix_Zero | at the lower left is there a big K with a gear? |
| 02:24.45 | root | there is a foot |
| 02:24.46 | steve__ | to reconfigre xwindows- what do i type? dpkg-reconfigure *what* |
| 02:24.51 | SyphonAI | steve__, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:24.53 | root__ | I see a door with an arrow pointing at it |
| 02:25.09 | Phoenix_Zero | ok well lets try this.. |
| 02:25.20 | Phoenix_Zero | go to whatever the windoze equivelent of your start button is |
| 02:25.24 | SyphonAI | if you modified /etc/X11/XFree86-4 by hand at all that reconfig commadn will not work |
| 02:25.27 | Phoenix_Zero | and go to system, then "Terminal Program" |
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| 02:25.36 | Phoenix_Zero | and you are both running debian correct? |
| 02:25.43 | root | I am |
| 02:25.46 | madclicker | what is the best setup for sudoers on a desktop home system? |
| 02:25.47 | root__ | Phoenix_Zero you mean the black terminal monitor? |
| 02:25.53 | root__ | I think I have conary debian? |
| 02:25.57 | Phoenix_Zero | root_: yes |
| 02:26.00 | Ketter | madclicker: your the sole user ? |
| 02:26.04 | root__ | okay I clicked it |
| 02:26.06 | root__ | but I have text |
| 02:26.11 | madclicker | Ketter: uh-huh |
| 02:26.11 | root__ | is there a mouse way of doing it? |
| 02:26.17 | root__ | I don't like to type things, I prefer buttons to click |
| 02:26.17 | Phoenix_Zero | root_ && root: are you both in the terminal right now? |
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| 02:26.37 | root__ | yes I have text screen |
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| 02:26.38 | root | there is a black stuff... it feels like matrix |
| 02:26.40 | Phoenix_Zero | root_: well the terminal is used often in linux, you're going to need to get used to it, especially for setting thiungs up |
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| 02:26.44 | Ketter | madclicker: madclicker ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 02:26.46 | Phoenix_Zero | ok |
| 02:26.48 | joeytwiddle | l00l! |
| 02:26.54 | ireverentReveren | how do i change eth1 into wlan1? |
| 02:27.02 | Phoenix_Zero | root and root_: please type 'apt-get install synaptic' without the ' marks |
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| 02:27.04 | Phoenix_Zero | and then press enter |
| 02:27.08 | Wyzard | ireverentReveren: ip link set eth1 name wlan1 |
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| 02:27.10 | Ketter | madclicker: change the madclicker into whatever your account on the workstation is |
| 02:27.14 | root__ | it says |
| 02:27.16 | root | joeytwiddle: should I write 1 and 0 ???? |
| 02:27.17 | Wyzard | ireverentReveren: Easiest to just not worry about it |
| 02:27.19 | root__ | bash: apt-get: command not found |
| 02:27.21 | TecnoVM64 | joeytwiddle: ok, i did that fsck and it's still read-only |
| 02:27.28 | Phoenix_Zero | Im sorry |
| 02:27.31 | astronut | root__ as root |
| 02:27.36 | Phoenix_Zero | thats odd.. |
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| 02:27.41 | Phoenix_Zero | ok |
| 02:27.42 | Phoenix_Zero | root_ |
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| 02:27.48 | Phoenix_Zero | please type "su" and press enter |
| 02:27.48 | ireverentReveren | Wyzard is ip link supposed to be a command? |
| 02:27.56 | madclicker | Ketter: got u, this means when i sudo, i need no password to execute the commad? |
| 02:27.58 | Phoenix_Zero | it will ask for your pwd for root |
| 02:28.00 | Phoenix_Zero | type it in |
| 02:28.04 | Wyzard | ireverentReveren: yes... it's in the "iproute" package, if you don't have it already |
| 02:28.13 | Phoenix_Zero | and your bash shell will have a "#" after it denoting that you are root |
| 02:28.19 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: remount it rw |
| 02:28.21 | Wyzard | Phoenix_Zero: Why would someone IRCing as "root" not be root already? |
| 02:28.36 | ireverentReveren | trying that now, thanks |
| 02:28.43 | Phoenix_Zero | because he's "root_" |
| 02:28.43 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: how? |
| 02:28.46 | Phoenix_Zero | not "root" |
| 02:28.50 | Ketter | madclicker: exactly, but be carefull |
| 02:29.06 | merlin262 | Actually, I think that's the default in xchat if there's not a root available |
| 02:29.11 | Phoenix_Zero | Im just guessing he's not root, but if he was, why in the world on debian wouldn't apt run? |
| 02:29.14 | merlin262 | if your running as root.... |
| 02:29.15 | Phoenix_Zero | unless his PATH statements are fucked up |
| 02:29.22 | Ketter | madclicker: it's way to easy to stick to the root account with simpel access by useing "sudo -s". |
| 02:29.26 | Phoenix_Zero | I know that my install of linux was completely borked |
| 02:29.29 | Phoenix_Zero | it was completely retarded |
| 02:29.30 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: mount with the remount and rw options |
| 02:29.31 | Phoenix_Zero | short bus linux |
| 02:29.34 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 02:29.48 | thyhorror | hi guys & girls . i have a problem here and wonder if anyone know what to use in Debian . i have a mpeg2-vob file that i'm guessing has a "Content Scrambling System" . i can play it but not edit it . can someone point me in the right direction or is there currently nothing in debian to help me with this ? |
| 02:30.00 | joeytwiddle | TecnoVM64, mount -o remount,rw / |
| 02:30.03 | Ketter | madclicker: selfcontrol is a free advice |
| 02:30.08 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: i did it, but when i restart it's read-only again |
| 02:30.12 | madclicker | Ketter: risky :). i like risky |
| 02:30.14 | Phoenix_Zero | I think DVD Decrypter might run in linux... |
| 02:30.19 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: whats the exact error? |
| 02:30.24 | Ketter | madclicker: take another beer, and have fun ;) |
| 02:30.26 | merlin262 | hrm, the roots have left the building |
| 02:30.33 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: and which filesystem? |
| 02:30.35 | Phoenix_Zero | thyhorror: check for DVD Decrypter, see if you can find a linux version |
| 02:30.37 | madclicker | Ketter: thx |
| 02:30.50 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: everything says read-only filesystem, but the fstab doesn't have ro |
| 02:30.50 | RootsLINUX | Roots? |
| 02:30.52 | thyhorror | Phoenix_Zero: will do . much thanks. |
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| 02:31.04 | merlin262 | RootsLINUX, read scrollback |
| 02:31.18 | Phoenix_Zero | seriously, its kinda weird |
| 02:31.29 | Gnea | heh |
| 02:31.35 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: I meant etc2/ext3/jfs etc. |
| 02:31.54 | RootsLINUX | Eh, I just have X-chat to setup to alert me whenever the word "roots" is said because that's what I'm generally known by |
| 02:31.59 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: ext3 |
| 02:32.02 | RootsLINUX | Some jerk on FreeNode holds the name Roots though :( |
| 02:32.03 | sufferer | except on a peruser basis |
| 02:32.23 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: does /proc/filesystems contain ext3? |
| 02:32.32 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: let me check |
| 02:32.41 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: and does lsmod contain ext3 and are you using initrd |
| 02:32.48 | Gnea | RootsLINUX: so what you're saying is that he roots and you rootslinux? :) |
| 02:33.06 | RootsLINUX | Yeah. Someday I'm going to steal the nick that is rightfully mine! |
| 02:33.16 | Gnea | ÍÍÍ roots: No such nick/channel |
| 02:33.32 | Gnea | it's all about timing manm |
| 02:33.36 | Gnea | first come, first serve |
| 02:33.38 | Gnea | get in line :) |
| 02:33.42 | RootsLINUX | I've never seen the guy online, so I'm guessing its an unused account |
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| 02:33.49 | Gnea | or pick another ;) |
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| 02:34.14 | merlin262 | Phoenix_Zero, you are far more tolerant than I |
| 02:34.20 | Phoenix_Zero | hey root and root_ are you two still there? |
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| 02:34.28 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: yeah |
| 02:34.32 | merlin262 | Phoenix_Zero, no, they left |
| 02:34.35 | Phoenix_Zero | merlin: people are still tolerant with me when I ask things, Ive only had debian up for 3 days |
| 02:34.48 | Phoenix_Zero | I just learn quickly and know how to ask questions that make sense |
| 02:34.49 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: i would like to introduce you to the /whois command |
| 02:34.49 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: yeah to what? |
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| 02:35.02 | Phoenix_Zero | Gnea: is she cute? ;) |
| 02:35.09 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: /proc/filesystems contains ext3 |
| 02:35.20 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: oh man, she's a rack that you just can't smack :) |
| 02:35.24 | Phoenix_Zero | rawr |
| 02:35.27 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: and my other questions? |
| 02:35.37 | Phoenix_Zero | I loved that though "I read on slashdot that linux was unhackable!" |
| 02:35.46 | Gnea | lol |
| 02:35.46 | Phoenix_Zero | ahh what a little knowledge can do to 12 year olds... |
| 02:35.56 | Gnea | indeed |
| 02:36.02 | Gnea | it's all about image presentation |
| 02:36.03 | Phoenix_Zero | Im having a bit of an issue myself |
| 02:36.08 | Phoenix_Zero | Ive only had Debian up for 3 days |
| 02:36.18 | Phoenix_Zero | but I cant seem to boot with the newest stock kernel for sarge with the k7 architecture |
| 02:36.23 | Phoenix_Zero | it says my DVD-ROM is confused |
| 02:36.30 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:36.33 | Gnea | well |
| 02:36.37 | Gnea | i always compile my own |
| 02:36.46 | Gnea | once the base is isntalled |
| 02:36.48 | Phoenix_Zero | (note, it calls it hdg, this is because my mobo has hda-hdd assigned to the IDE RAID controllers, which are unused) |
| 02:36.51 | Phoenix_Zero | hmm.. |
| 02:36.54 | Gnea | and have the kernel mold to the hardware around it |
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| 02:36.57 | Phoenix_Zero | I dont really feel competent enough to do such a thing.. |
| 02:36.57 | Gnea | much more effeicient |
| 02:36.59 | madclicker | Ketter: not working, it tells me that i am not allowed to execute apt-get |
| 02:37.06 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: yeah, lsmod contains ext3, and i'm using initrd |
| 02:37.22 | Ketter | madclicker: try "sudo -s", it sould get you root rights |
| 02:37.25 | lwx | wondering if anyone has iinstall adobe reader 7.0 plugin in firefox1.0.2 successfully. i've installed adobe reader 7.0 and made a symlink of nppdf.so to firefox plugins place,but when i tried to open pdf doc in firefox, it freezed. when i check using ps in termianl and found acroread[defunct]. does anyone experience this problem and has any solutions. |
| 02:37.26 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: does your initrd contain ext3 ? |
| 02:37.40 | Ketter | madclicker: afterwards, run the apt-get |
| 02:37.41 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: how do i check? |
| 02:37.43 | Gnea | then you need to ask yourself this: do you feel more confident sticking through with this or with reinstalling windows? |
| 02:37.51 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: I don't know |
| 02:38.22 | Vegar | How much swap do I need? I've got 512 MB RAM |
| 02:38.23 | Phoenix_Zero | oh its not a reinstall issue |
| 02:38.25 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: i think it does because it was working good before i restarted |
| 02:38.25 | Phoenix_Zero | I have 9 computers |
| 02:38.38 | Gnea | Vegar: i'd at least match it |
| 02:38.46 | Hyde | why |
| 02:38.48 | Vegar | ok |
| 02:38.48 | Phoenix_Zero | Gnea: Im installing linux to learn it for when I go to college |
| 02:38.57 | Vegar | Gnea: thanks |
| 02:39.05 | madclicker | Ketter: "not allowed to execute /bin/bash on localhost.localdomain |
| 02:39.05 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: that is kick-ass |
| 02:39.06 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: that doesn't follow |
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| 02:39.13 | Phoenix_Zero | Gnea: all of them on a 6Mb connection |
| 02:39.21 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: previous kernel could have had ext3 builtin |
| 02:39.26 | Phoenix_Zero | it's NATed right now but I plan to fix that soon |
| 02:39.35 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: very cool |
| 02:39.42 | Phoenix_Zero | I run 2 FTPs ,some webservs, I have ssh running |
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| 02:39.52 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: but i don't understand why if i start with the old kernel it says read-only too |
| 02:39.54 | Phoenix_Zero | and 960 GB space across the network |
| 02:39.55 | moa3333 | have anyone heard about autopackage? |
| 02:40.01 | Phoenix_Zero | I have an autopackage.. |
| 02:40.03 | Ketter | madclicker: after you gave the sudo -s, what does the whoami say you are? |
| 02:40.06 | Phoenix_Zero | when I get all happy it unpacks... |
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| 02:40.11 | merlin262 | moa3333, yep |
| 02:40.21 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: thats more interesting, ah, now I remember - pass rw to the kernel from lilo.conf |
| 02:40.34 | Phoenix_Zero | its at /legs/middle/autopackage |
| 02:40.48 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: (test it first) |
| 02:40.49 | madclicker | Ketter: $myusername |
| 02:40.52 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: how? |
| 02:40.54 | moa3333 | I installed gaim-vv with it and when i wanted to uninstall it fu**ed my gaim intalled with deb, and i cannot uninstall it now |
| 02:41.12 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: man lilo.conf |
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| 02:41.34 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: just that? |
| 02:41.34 | madclicker | Ketter: /etc/sudoers contain "myusername ALL=(NOPASSWD) ALL" |
| 02:41.38 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: ok |
| 02:41.56 | Ketter | madclicker: wow.. hold on |
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| 02:42.24 | Ketter | madclicker: if your username is "madclicker" it should say something like: madclicker ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 02:42.30 | Phoenix_Zero | Gnea, how hard is it to compile your own kernel? |
| 02:42.40 | Ketter | madclicker: check the syntax |
| 02:43.17 | madclicker | Ketter: I missed the colons.....bahhhhh |
| 02:43.20 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: it takes practice - and time - you need to be able to dedicate both to learning for yourself - configuring is the key |
| 02:43.30 | Ketter | madclicker: and without the brackets |
| 02:43.44 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: ok i did, then? |
| 02:43.47 | Phoenix_Zero | gnea: I see...I assume that a good knowledge of the hardware at hand is a must? (I'm so glad I built that box..) |
| 02:43.58 | bbrazil | TecnoVM64: reboot and pray |
| 02:44.05 | TecnoVM64 | bbrazil: ok |
| 02:44.23 | madclicker | Ketter: first i typed it in without the brackets it give me "Syntax error" ......now it works , thanks again |
| 02:44.31 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: best way is have a couple terminals open one so you can run configuration in the other so you can scope the hardware spec with commands such as lspci, dmesg, cat /proc/cpuinfo (hell, anything in /proc will tell you what's up), lsusb, etc etc... |
| 02:44.34 | Ketter | madclicker: yourwelcome |
| 02:45.24 | Phoenix_Zero | Gnea: I had no idea I could get so much hardware knowledge from the terminal... |
| 02:45.27 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: then you wanna figure out what you want to compile into the kernel and compile as a module |
| 02:45.37 | Ketter | madclicker: if you have a multiuser system, just run visudo, it starts your default editor for working on the /etc/sudoers |
| 02:45.39 | Shylock | Phoenix_Zero, Usually configuring the kernel takes some practice. Not all the options are obvious. A good way to start is to grab the .config out of a working kernel, and tweak that first. |
| 02:45.51 | Phoenix_Zero | Gnea: The difference between parts of the kernel and a module?.. |
| 02:45.58 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: shit man, if you've got /proc/kcore present on your system you can read directly what's in your RAM |
| 02:46.10 | Phoenix_Zero | Gnea: sounds most spiffy |
| 02:46.19 | Shylock | Hackers think so too. |
| 02:46.23 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: well modules are just an extension of the kernel itself |
| 02:46.24 | Shylock | :) |
| 02:46.27 | madclicker | Ketter: Roger |
| 02:46.32 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:46.38 | Phoenix_Zero | hmm..Ill have to do that when I have more time |
| 02:46.43 | Phoenix_Zero | Id rather take time and do it right than botch it |
| 02:46.54 | Phoenix_Zero | right now Im focused on making a D&Dmodule for a game tommorow |
| 02:47.00 | Phoenix_Zero | haha..module... |
| 02:47.01 | Gnea | yeah |
| 02:47.04 | Phoenix_Zero | oh god, Im a geek |
| 02:47.05 | Gnea | well |
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| 02:47.37 | Shylock | Phoenix_Zero, Debian ships its .config with the kernel package.. I recommend taking that and modifying it first rather than jumping in cold with a vanilla kernel. |
| 02:47.42 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: i botched a bunch of kernels before i got it right, so you'll probably do the same - but that's good because it prepares you for more rigorous environments ;) |
| 02:48.19 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: what Shylock said is a good primer too |
| 02:48.41 | Gnea | Phoenix_Zero: but getting to know vanilla sources is a good way to go as well |
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| 02:48.59 | Shylock | also remember that debian patches the kernel a bit from the stock. You may want to use the debian source package too. |
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| 02:49.15 | Phoenix_Zero | I see |
| 02:49.25 | Gnea | right, it's distribution-specific |
| 02:49.35 | Phoenix_Zero | this may be a foolish question, but what programming language is the kernel written in? |
| 02:49.37 | Gnea | so redhat and gentoo have their own distro patches |
| 02:49.45 | Gnea | C |
| 02:49.46 | Shylock | Mostly C |
| 02:49.48 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:49.48 | Chass | C |
| 02:50.05 | Shylock | Some platform spacific assembly. |
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| 02:50.24 | Phoenix_Zero | I looked at some assembly once, scared the hell out of me honestly |
| 02:50.31 | Phoenix_Zero | and I noticed a lot of it was typed backwards... |
| 02:50.35 | Phoenix_Zero | it was intriguing |
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| 02:50.42 | Shylock | little endian. :) |
| 02:50.46 | madclicker | which are the most popular repositories for third party software? |
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| 02:50.56 | Ketter | madclicker: that all depends on what you need |
| 02:51.01 | Gnea | yeah, it depends which one is worked on mostly it's x86, sparc32 and sparc64 - recently x86_64 has entered the realm |
| 02:51.12 | Ketter | madclicker: and whom you trust |
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| 02:51.39 | Gnea | madclicker: usually the ones that work |
| 02:52.00 | Vegar | ok, so I've got myself a new harddisk |
| 02:52.01 | swatikiss | i just installed the sarge debian amarok package - it says it could not find any sound-engine plugins, and says it may have been installed in the wrong prefix ? |
| 02:52.01 | madclicker | Ketter: to be able to playback mp3 music, with the RPM releases i was using freshrpms, this is different |
| 02:52.09 | Gnea | non-working sources are quickly distinguished |
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| 02:52.22 | Ketter | madclicker: apt-cache search your-mp3-player |
| 02:52.23 | Shylock | Pheonix_Zero, assembly isn't bad if you just want to do really simple things. Complex tasks take alot of head scratching. |
| 02:52.30 | Vegar | how do I migrate to this new disk? (it's a sata disk in /dev/sda) |
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| 02:53.00 | Vegar | I've partitioned it and formatted with the appropriate filesystems |
| 02:53.24 | Gnea | Vegar: you have a kernel built with the host controller driver built into the kernel? |
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| 02:53.35 | Ketter | madclicker: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html <-- your apt handbook.. read thru it, get the basics, apt-get and apt-cache |
| 02:53.46 | Vegar | Gnea: yes |
| 02:53.53 | Phoenix_Zero | brb folks |
| 02:54.04 | Phoenix_Zero | Im going to draw out this cathedral to torment my players tommorow |
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| 02:54.30 | CyL | I cannot echo to /dev/lp0. Why is that? |
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| 02:55.06 | Gnea | Vegar: ok so you got sda split up and you want to take your current filesystem and port it to that, write an MBR entry, take your current disk out and boot to it> |
| 02:55.21 | madclicker | Ketter: got u, with RH distros there was no inclusion for xmms-mp3 plug because of legalities, therefore i don't know what is the scoop with debian. |
| 02:55.23 | Gnea | CyL: no printer module loaded for it? no cups? |
| 02:55.35 | Gnea | calin: what do you need? |
| 02:55.37 | Vegar | Gnea: exactly my thought |
| 02:55.52 | madclicker | Ketter: this is my first week with Sarge :) |
| 02:55.55 | Vegar | Gnea: actually I want to move MBR to sda too |
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| 02:56.04 | CyL | Gnea: cups is loaded, but i cannot even echo "test" > /dev/lp0 |
| 02:56.08 | Isil`Zha | i wonder if i can download files from a remote computer at the command line using a ssh session |
| 02:56.14 | Ketter | madclicker: in one of the first chapters it will be explained what the role is of the social contract by debian, and what sources you need to add to your /etc/atp/sources.list . |
| 02:56.16 | CyL | Gnea: nothing happens |
| 02:56.17 | Vegar | Gnea: but I suppose I just need to change the settings in the BIOS and in lilo.conf |
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| 02:57.10 | Ketter | madclicker: keep on reading, and get to know your apt-leatherman, you'll start to like in a couple of weeks or so (or even sooner). |
| 02:57.23 | madclicker | Ketter: one thing i can tell you, a lot of reading ahead of me. |
| 02:57.42 | fflush | Is there a version of debian-installer somewhere with support to XEN ? |
| 02:57.43 | Gnea | Vegar: right, but you need to get it installed to that drive first - best way is to make the filesystems on the targets then mount them in created /mnt/dir directories |
| 02:57.55 | Gnea | Vegar: and just copy stuff over to the appropriate direcotries |
| 02:57.58 | Azar | uh I do not understand this : kernel from FreeBSD to Debian? |
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| 02:58.29 | Vegar | Gnea: I'm on the copying part |
| 02:58.39 | Vegar | Gnea: just wanted to make sure I did everything right |
| 02:58.41 | madclicker | Ketter: i am very freindly with apt and synaptic, I even was using them in RH distro, yum was kind of boring and slow ;-) |
| 02:58.54 | fflush | Azar: what do you not understand |
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| 02:59.32 | Azar | fflush I am baffled, because the way I heard FreeBSD is not linux family |
| 02:59.56 | Gnea | Azar: right, those are 2 completely different OS's :) |
| 03:00.18 | Azar | .. so in the future I will have to learn to manipulate another kind of kernel? |
| 03:00.25 | fflush | Gnea: one is a kernel the other is an OS |
| 03:00.28 | fflush | :) |
| 03:00.42 | fflush | Azar: only if you choose to |
| 03:00.48 | Ketter | madclicker: then the only thing you have to do is to get your sources.list sorted.. pay extra attention to the non-free section. |
| 03:00.49 | Azar | oh :) ok |
| 03:01.51 | Vegar | Gnea: just cp --backup? |
| 03:02.38 | CyL | Gnea: /frv/lp0 is mod 666. What else could be? |
| 03:02.45 | CyL | s/frv/dev |
| 03:03.32 | Vegar | Gnea: cp --backup --preserve=all maybe? |
| 03:03.33 | Gnea | Vegar: cp -a worked best for me |
| 03:03.38 | madclicker | Ketter: "non-free" as in beer or as in freedom? |
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| 03:04.05 | Vegar | Gnea: ah, didn't know about that one |
| 03:04.11 | Ketter | madclicker: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 03:04.12 | Gnea | CyL: if there's not a proper driver loaded for it and/or it's not being detected by the kernel then there's a connection error |
| 03:04.13 | carrett | hey, how do i convert a .tex file to pdf? |
| 03:04.22 | Ketter | madclicker: point 1. |
| 03:04.31 | Ketter | madclicker: that explains what free means in this context |
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| 03:05.00 | bbrazil | carrett: pdfelatex |
| 03:05.01 | Ketter | madclicker: and, please, feel free to get another beer ;) |
| 03:05.17 | Gnea | hey |
| 03:05.21 | Gnea | nothing wrong with beer |
| 03:05.25 | Gnea | as long as ya don't overdo it |
| 03:05.31 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:05.38 | Ketter | can't aggree with you more Gnea |
| 03:05.40 | ysothoth | Beer beer beer :) |
| 03:05.47 | CyL | Gnea: what kind of driver should I load? cupsd is already running |
| 03:05.58 | ysothoth | haha |
| 03:06.00 | ysothoth | beast |
| 03:06.04 | Gnea | CyL: have you configured cups? |
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| 03:06.08 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:06.16 | CyL | Gnea: yeap |
| 03:06.25 | Gnea | i gotta get a new bag of sugar in order to enjoy coffee again... |
| 03:07.04 | Gnea | CyL: what did you use to configure it? |
| 03:07.04 | Ketter | black, with cream and sugar.. I don't care.. |
| 03:07.05 | mwilson | Why would you want lp0 to be 666? |
| 03:07.36 | Gnea | black and sweet, that's what it's gotta be for me or no go :/ |
| 03:08.05 | CyL | Gnea: gnome-cups-manager, and also the localhost:631 interface |
| 03:08.09 | Phoenix|DnD | for me its more of a "caffinee??!? REALLY!?!?" |
| 03:08.20 | Gnea | CyL: have you heard of foomatic? |
| 03:08.27 | CyL | Gnea: nope |
| 03:08.33 | Vegar | Gnea: about to reboot |
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| 03:08.40 | Gnea | CyL: apt-get install foomatic-gui nmap |
| 03:08.42 | Vegar | Gnea: thanks for the info |
| 03:08.46 | Gnea | Vegar: good luck |
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| 03:09.25 | Gnea | Phoenix|DnD: lol |
| 03:09.31 | madclicker | Ketter: "non free" is okay to use but not okay to package unless have ipo license. Am i getting this straight. P.S. one more beer and i will not be able to tell the difference. |
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| 03:09.50 | mwilson | "IPO license"? |
| 03:09.58 | Ketter | madclicker: not realy.. |
| 03:10.00 | Gnea | madclicker: hehe you and me both |
| 03:10.22 | Ketter | madclicker: back of the beer for a sec, and try and look at the "free" and "non-free" issue from the debian point of view |
| 03:10.37 | Ketter | madclicker: and then read it again. |
| 03:11.16 | Phoenix|DnD | license? |
| 03:11.18 | Phoenix|DnD | oh come on |
| 03:11.18 | Gnea | well it's not snowing, that's good... |
| 03:11.20 | Phoenix|DnD | gimme a break |
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| 03:11.28 | Phoenix|DnD | unless someone is going to arrest/sue me I do not care |
| 03:11.45 | Ketter | Phoenix|DnD: nore do I.. but that's no the point :) |
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| 03:12.09 | Ketter | s/no/not |
| 03:12.36 | Phoenix|DnD | ahh I se |
| 03:12.38 | Phoenix|DnD | *se |
| 03:12.42 | Phoenix|DnD | *see |
| 03:12.45 | Phoenix|DnD | what is the point then? |
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| 03:13.12 | p8m | non-free sucks, see bitkeeper |
| 03:13.13 | Gnea | the point is to do something that helps you and others and doesn't hurt anyone |
| 03:13.27 | CyL | Gnea: lpr is claiming BJC-1000 is an unknown printer |
| 03:13.29 | Gnea | sounds dumb, huh |
| 03:13.44 | Gnea | CyL: ah -ha is that usb? |
| 03:13.51 | Flimzy | CyL: lpr doesn't know anything about printers. |
| 03:14.06 | CyL | Gnea: nope it is parallel |
| 03:14.24 | Ketter | Phoenix|DnD: within the package system that debian uses the term "non-free" is used, and it's unclear to madclicker for what that means.. and why he should lookin to it. |
| 03:14.26 | Azar | the apt-primer article says: "The non-free area, as its name implies, contains software that doesn't meet DFSG standards" |
| 03:14.31 | Flimzy | CyL: When you say it's "claiming" it's an unknown printer... what *exactly* is it doing? |
| 03:14.41 | CyL | Flimzy: lpr: BJC-1000: unknown printer |
| 03:14.48 | Gnea | CyL: hrm that's from dmesg? |
| 03:14.55 | mwilson | Azar: So read the DFSG. |
| 03:15.03 | Flimzy | CyL: Okay. So you don't have any printer configured called "BJC-1000" |
| 03:15.18 | Flimzy | CyL: Did you configure lpr? |
| 03:15.23 | Azar | mwilson, oh I was just putting that quote here because I saw they were talking about |
| 03:15.33 | Gnea | !DSFG |
| 03:15.33 | dpkg | Do you mean DFSG? |
| 03:15.42 | Flimzy | Gnea: If that was obvious, s/he wouldn't have asked that question. |
| 03:15.43 | Gnea | !DFSG |
| 03:15.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 03:15.43 | CyL | Gnea: nope, i startd foomatic-gui from a terminal, and when I used it, I got this message on that terminal... |
| 03:15.59 | Gnea | Flimzy: but they don't know the answer so they asked |
| 03:16.16 | Flimzy | CyL: Well then the first step is obviously to configure lpr |
| 03:16.21 | Flimzy | Gnea: Your point being? |
| 03:16.24 | CyL | Flimzy: really don't know.. I've done lots of things in my saga to get my printer working |
| 03:16.27 | Gnea | Flimzy: cups > * |
| 03:16.40 | Flimzy | Gnea: IME, cups sucked. |
| 03:16.49 | Gnea | Flimzy: never a problem here |
| 03:17.05 | Flimzy | Gnea: But I didn't try real hard to make it work, since I had some heavily scripted lpr configs that would have been hell to migrate anyway. |
| 03:17.06 | Gnea | i've done tons of setups, smashed plenty of roadblocks |
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| 03:17.30 | Flimzy | lpr's biggest flaw is it's lack of logging abilities... makes troubleshooting a big pain |
| 03:17.32 | Gnea | Flimzy: i didn't have a choice - smash or be destroyed |
| 03:17.38 | Azar | setting up a printer was the hardest task I had in Samba |
| 03:17.56 | Gnea | but knowing when to smash - that's the key |
| 03:18.03 | heloo | my ifconfig doesnt show network devices |
| 03:18.04 | Gnea | and when to hold back :) |
| 03:18.06 | CyL | Flimzy: you mean configuring lpr by editing /etc/printcap? |
| 03:18.11 | Flimzy | Gnea: Well, as I recall, cups was fundamentally incompatible with my setup... So it was either re-invent the wheel for cups, or keep using my perl scripts with lpr and live happily ever after. |
| 03:18.14 | Gnea | cuz holding back is more enjoyable |
| 03:18.20 | Flimzy | CyL: Yeah, that's an excellent place to start. |
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| 03:18.49 | Gnea | Flimzy: well i don't know your setup, but i can only assume you run a base of debian |
| 03:18.54 | CyL | Flimzy: printcap already reflect my crrect situation (I guess)... |
| 03:19.09 | MidgetSpy | what are the RAM requirements for Debian? I just tried installing Fedora on this comp with 32MB and it says it's not enough, heh. |
| 03:19.10 | CyL | s/crrect/correct |
| 03:19.21 | Flimzy | CyL: Well then you need to tell your software to use the proper name for the printer and not BJC-1000 |
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| 03:19.27 | Flimzy | Gnea: aye |
| 03:19.38 | Gnea | CyL: you have cups installed already, so foomatic-gui (and other foomatic progs in debian) will help that |
| 03:19.40 | Flimzy | MidgetSpy: Something like 16 or 24mb for the sarge install. |
| 03:19.48 | Flimzy | CyL: Possibly as little as 8mb for the woody install. |
| 03:20.05 | Flimzy | MidgetSpy: Possibly as little as 8mb for the woody install. |
| 03:20.10 | bbrazil | MidgetSpy: I've done it on 4MB, but to install woody it takes at least 8mb (12 in my experiance) |
| 03:20.22 | Flimzy | MidgetSpy: I think I recall not being able to install woody in 8mb, but it did work in either 10 or 12mb |
| 03:20.25 | Gnea | Flimzy: best way i've found to configure cups is with foomatic-gui and its components installed ( i found them with apt-cache search foomatic ) |
| 03:20.27 | MidgetSpy | sarge, woody... I'll have to look them up :0) |
| 03:20.52 | MidgetSpy | well I have 32MB so I should be good to go then, thanks. |
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| 03:20.56 | Gnea | Flimzy: i've done so many installs that way - if i have a problem it's usually on the kernel/module level - that's when i hit up google |
| 03:20.58 | MobyTurbo | MidgetSpy: Sarge is: |
| 03:20.58 | Flimzy | Gnea: That might work for an average setup. But my setup would have been impossible using any automated installation. |
| 03:21.03 | MobyTurbo | !d-i |
| 03:21.03 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 03:21.23 | Gnea | Flimzy: the idea of 'average' is too simplistic |
| 03:21.37 | Flimzy | Gnea: Well let me say what I was doing.... |
| 03:21.43 | Flimzy | Gnea: I wasn't using a printer at all :P |
| 03:21.51 | Gnea | Flimzy: hehehe |
| 03:21.54 | Flimzy | Gnea: I set up a Samba share so that I could "print" invoices from QuickBooks |
| 03:22.01 | Flimzy | Gnea: Which would then pipe thru my perl script... |
| 03:22.16 | Flimzy | Gnea: And based on the account no. on the invoice, would do a lookup in a table... |
| 03:22.18 | Gnea | neither was i till about a year ago :) and the printers i WAS trying were all windoze-based - like lexmarks |
| 03:22.42 | Flimzy | Gnea: Then either actually print the invoice (with some fun formatting) or e-mail the invoice (with other special formatting), or bill a credit card automatically |
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| 03:22.59 | Flimzy | Gnea: And the Perl script(s) I had handling all of that were written (by me) for lpr. |
| 03:23.13 | Flimzy | Gnea: Making them work with cups was going to be much more work than to debug lpr. |
| 03:24.20 | Flimzy | brb |
| 03:24.24 | Gnea | Flimzy: okay now that's old school - these days it's a matter of tracking down the capabilities of the printer on linuxprinting.org to find out if cups would take it or turboprinting (maybe it's namned something else - but they seem to cator to HP and Canon the most IIRC) |
| 03:24.52 | CyL | Flimzy: The web interface of cups asks me for the location... would this be the fully qulified domain of the machine acting as a server? |
| 03:24.55 | Gnea | Flimzy: and when it comes to cups, foomatic-gui can figure it out fasta |
| 03:25.19 | Flimzy | Gnea: The capabilities of my "printer" were determined by my perl script :P |
| 03:25.20 | Gnea | CyL: do you have foomatic-gui installed? |
| 03:25.32 | Flimzy | Gnea: Oh, and I had to write my own printer filter, too, to print labels for the invoices to be mailed |
| 03:25.35 | CyL | Gnea: yeap |
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| 03:25.49 | Flimzy | Gnea: I turned my old Panasonic KX-P1180 into a 1x3" label printer |
| 03:26.00 | Flimzy | anyway, brb |
| 03:26.02 | CyL | Gnea: Would you suggest to use foomatic-gui? |
| 03:26.09 | Gnea | Flimzy: right, but did your perl script take into account that you could unplug that printer and plug in, say, an HP deskjet 500 and compensate? ;) |
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| 03:26.27 | Gnea | hahahah |
| 03:26.29 | Gnea | CyL: yeah |
| 03:27.22 | Schiz0 | anyone know the name of the package for the c include files? |
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| 03:27.31 | Schiz0 | at least, i believe thats what i need...:-X |
| 03:27.31 | [bono] | Question: Im trying to setup a dual-screen desktop... I have a NVidia AGP card and a Trident PCI... The Trident shows up when doing lspci, bus is NOT present in /proc/bus/pci... Therefore my X server cannot find it... Anyone has a solution to this? |
| 03:27.34 | Chrissy2k5 | how do i change the name of my system ?ż |
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| 03:27.43 | Gnea | Schiz0: libc6-dev |
| 03:27.44 | Chrissy2k5 | from 192 :| |
| 03:27.49 | Schiz0 | the hostname Chrissy2k5? |
| 03:27.51 | Schiz0 | thanks Gnea |
| 03:27.55 | Chrissy2k5 | erm i thnk |
| 03:28.02 | Schiz0 | use the hostname cmd |
| 03:28.07 | Chrissy2k5 | the thng that shows at the front of the command line |
| 03:28.09 | Schiz0 | hostname newname |
| 03:28.11 | Schiz0 | as root |
| 03:28.12 | Schiz0 | yea |
| 03:28.15 | Gnea | Chrissy2k5: the hostname |
| 03:28.19 | Chrissy2k5 | sweet cheers :) |
| 03:28.23 | Gnea | Chrissy2k5: hostname YADA |
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| 03:28.33 | Gnea | Chrissy2k5: echo YADA > /etc/hostname |
| 03:28.38 | Gnea | bam. |
| 03:28.39 | Gnea | done. |
| 03:28.56 | Gnea | afk, enjoy |
| 03:29.05 | Chrissy2k5 | replace yada with hostname ?ż |
| 03:29.10 | Schiz0 | lol yes |
| 03:29.12 | madclicker | how do i associate kernel module with network interface? |
| 03:29.12 | Gnea | correct |
| 03:29.13 | Chrissy2k5 | :P |
| 03:29.26 | CyL | Gnea: done it with foomatic and stil no results... |
| 03:29.36 | CyL | s/stil/still |
| 03:29.48 | Chrissy2k5 | do i need to reboot for changes to take effect ?ż |
| 03:29.55 | Schiz0 | reboot? |
| 03:29.58 | Schiz0 | on linux? |
| 03:30.00 | Schiz0 | is there such a thing? |
| 03:30.05 | Nurbs_ | yes |
| 03:30.07 | Chrissy2k5 | restart ?ż |
| 03:30.08 | Chrissy2k5 | :| |
| 03:30.14 | Schiz0 | i was being sarcastic :-P |
| 03:30.16 | Chrissy2k5 | i duno i am uber n00b to linux... |
| 03:30.21 | Schiz0 | lol |
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| 03:30.46 | Schiz0 | naw, its not windows, linux is known for its uptime. usually you only have to reboot to install/remove hardware. |
| 03:30.55 | Nurbs_ | or to get a safe kernel |
| 03:30.56 | Chrissy2k5 | ok Cool |
| 03:31.01 | Schiz0 | yeah |
| 03:31.01 | CyL | Gnea: same error message lpr: bjc1000: unknown printer |
| 03:31.04 | Nurbs_ | or to work around a broken kernel |
| 03:31.06 | Chrissy2k5 | what do i do for changes to take effect ?ż |
| 03:31.17 | Schiz0 | hit enter? |
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| 03:31.22 | CyL | Flimzy: Any hint buddy? I'm getting desperate |
| 03:31.25 | Schiz0 | and then close the console window, reopen it |
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| 03:31.29 | Chrissy2k5 | ah |
| 03:31.39 | Gnea | CyL: dpkg -S /usr/bin/lpr <-- what does that return? |
| 03:32.02 | Gnea | Chrissy2k5: logout/login |
| 03:32.22 | CyL | lpr: /usr/bin/lpr |
| 03:32.35 | Gnea | ah HA |
| 03:32.56 | delyan | i have a turtle beach santa cruz sound card and I am trying to use the green and black outputs. however, only the green one works. how can I enable the black one for 4.1 speaker setup? I have lsmod here http://darbg.homeip.net/info.txt |
| 03:32.57 | Gnea | CyL: apt-get install cupsys-bsd |
| 03:33.02 | aaron | yeh gidday... i came here earlier coz debian wouldnt install and i was told 2 get rc3 but still crashes at the same place when it says unpacking at 40% in installing the base system....... installing onto a sata... anyone?? |
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| 03:33.10 | Gnea | CyL: your lpr program doesn't know how to talk to cups |
| 03:33.50 | Ketter | time for bed.. nothing or nobody can keep me awake any longer.. |
| 03:34.01 | Chrissy2k5 | and can anyone please tell me why i get this when i am ftping to it ... i am runnin vsftpd .. |
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| 03:34.04 | Flimqy | Gnea: An HP Deskjet 500 would have been physically incapable of what I needed (namely, printing continuous form labels) |
| 03:34.07 | Chrissy2k5 | /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper: Cannot exec /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd: no such file or directory at /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper line 174. |
| 03:34.09 | Flimqy | Gnea: I could have plugged in practically any continuous form printer and it would have worked, tho. |
| 03:34.16 | delyan | aaron: could the installation CD be bad ? |
| 03:34.27 | CyL | Gnea: it is better he started learning... baucause if he doesn't i'll cut his tongue ;) |
| 03:34.27 | madclicker | cya |
| 03:34.41 | Flimqy | Gnea: But really, the biggest problem... was treating my Perl script as a printer. And that's what I mean by "CUPS probably works for average users"... average meaning someone who plugs an actual printer into an alctual printer port, and actually prints with it :P |
| 03:34.45 | Schiz0 | Chrissy2k5- you're running a ftp server and connecting to localhost? |
| 03:34.49 | Schiz0 | and you get that error? |
| 03:34.55 | delyan | does anyone have an idea what i should do to get the sound card to work at full capacity ? |
| 03:34.57 | Chrissy2k5 | connecting to 192.168.1.4 from here |
| 03:35.15 | Ketter | Chrissy2k5: check the /etc/pure-ftpd/conf auth and db directory's |
| 03:35.20 | Schiz0 | delyan- what do you mean full capacity? |
| 03:35.28 | Schiz0 | liek volume wise? |
| 03:35.29 | Chrissy2k5 | but i am running vsftpd :| |
| 03:35.34 | Ketter | ooh.. |
| 03:35.37 | p8m | delyan: Double check the mixer :) |
| 03:35.40 | CyL | Gnea: I owe you one! |
| 03:35.40 | Schiz0 | i run pure-ftpd ;-D |
| 03:35.49 | Chrissy2k5 | it Cool Schiz0 ?ż |
| 03:35.50 | Gnea | Flimqy: so ultimately your printer was non-standard and thus required a specified amount of parameters in order to function |
| 03:35.54 | madclicker | does anyone know where do i accosiate network modules with network interfaces? |
| 03:36.01 | delyan | p8m: i did indeed... |
| 03:36.08 | Gnea | CyL: hehe :) |
| 03:36.16 | Ketter | madclicker: modconf ? (define assosiate) |
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| 03:36.33 | Flimqy | Gnea: Indeed. Very non-standard... to the extent of being non-existant in any physical sense :P |
| 03:36.38 | delyan | Schiz0: I am trying to get the green and black outputs on the ound card to work. now only the green one works. it is a turtle beach santa cruz |
| 03:37.29 | delyan | p8m: i use alsamixer.. if this helps |
| 03:37.37 | madclicker | Ketter: in Fedora3 i had /etc/modprobe.conf in it "alias 8193too eth0" "alias e1000 eth1" and so forth |
| 03:37.41 | Gnea | Flimqy: and yet it had a REAL parallel cable and was thus capable of physically interfacing with any parallel-port enabled computer, but due to its proprietaryness, it didn't go anywhere? |
| 03:37.42 | cg0def | delyan: I have the exact same sound card and it works perfectly fine |
| 03:37.42 | manu_manu | i tried to setup up port forwarding it didnt work my port 8000 in now listening for sshd how can i disable port 8000 |
| 03:37.53 | Ketter | madclicker: use modconf, that will do the trick. |
| 03:37.55 | Flimqy | Gnea: No, it had no physical port. |
| 03:38.06 | Flimqy | Gnea: it was just a pipe to a script that processed whatever data was "printed" to it |
| 03:38.26 | Gnea | Flimqy: so it was reading raw data? |
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| 03:38.30 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 03:38.32 | delyan | cg0def: mine also works, but I only get sound off of the green jack. the black one is dead air.. |
| 03:38.36 | Flimqy | Gnea: Raw ASCII data |
| 03:38.42 | dodgyville | Is there a program that handles deb creation from a Makefile? |
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| 03:39.06 | madclicker | Ketter: easier sad than done, I am trying to understand this beast....let me explain |
| 03:39.10 | Flimqy | Gnea: QuickBooks would print invoices to a "Generic ASCII" printer via Samba. Samba would pass the "printed" data to lpr, which would send it to my perl script, which would do it's magic. |
| 03:39.16 | Gnea | Flimqy: ok is there a newer version of that printer and what's the make/model i wanna get one LOL |
| 03:39.19 | cg0def | delyan: well I ment everything works here |
| 03:39.29 | bmachado | I have an uber nubish question, but what are the official debian apt-get repositories? |
| 03:39.33 | cg0def | delyan: you have to setup alsa |
| 03:39.40 | Flimqy | Gnea: The data that QuickBooks thought it was printing never ever met a physical printer :P |
| 03:39.53 | delyan | cg0def: i have been trying to... :) |
| 03:39.53 | Gnea | cuz if i could print my invoices onto something specific then i'd be set |
| 03:39.56 | Schiz0 | memic- ftp://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 03:39.56 | cg0def | delyan: there are 2 pcm lines and 2 volume lines as well |
| 03:40.06 | memnips | thanks Schiz0 |
| 03:40.19 | Gnea | otherwise i have to guess and lose half a sheet of sticker paper everytime i print a label |
| 03:40.22 | Schiz0 | and http://security.debian.org |
| 03:40.23 | cg0def | delyan: you have to make sure that they are all unmuted and that maybe move them up some |
| 03:40.42 | Flimqy | Gnea: You're trying to print invoices, too, eh? |
| 03:40.50 | heloo | anyone know how to fix network device from autoloading |
| 03:40.52 | heloo | my doesnt |
| 03:40.58 | delyan | cg0def: and this is done in alsamixer ? |
| 03:41.00 | Gnea | Flimqy: well i print invoices and shipping labels |
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| 03:41.20 | madclicker | Ketter: I had a realtek 10/100 pci card (eth0) in the system and also debian detected am firewire card which became eth1. After I recompiled the onbord sk98lin module and removed the realtek card, on each reboot i have to remove the firewire module and load the sk98lin module to get dhcp |
| 03:41.21 | Flimqy | Gnea: The ultimate goal of my setup was to e-mail invoices, or print them, or do automatic CC billing, depending on user preference. Something QuickBooks didn't do (at least not at the time) |
| 03:41.23 | Schiz0 | delyan- you could use kmix if you're in kde. |
| 03:41.32 | manu_manu | i tried to setup up port forwarding it didnt work my port 8000 in now listening for sshd how can i disable port 8000 |
| 03:41.56 | cg0def | delyan: yeah, you should also be able to use the gnome sound device manager if you have gnome installed |
| 03:42.01 | Schiz0 | how do you have sshd listen on non-standard ports? |
| 03:42.11 | Flimqy | Gnea: I created a custom invoice format in QuickBooks... that was easily parsable with Perl. Looked a bit like [Account: XXXX] [Address: 123 Anystreet] etc, etc. (my own simplified markup language) |
| 03:42.16 | delyan | cg0def: yes I am in KDE. could you tell me what you see in alsamixer's summary menu? mine says "Card: Sound Fusion CS46xx". not sure if this is the right kernel driver..... |
| 03:42.16 | maher | madclicker: fix /etc/network/interfaces, or use etherconf and/or ifplugd |
| 03:42.19 | memnips | perhaps i can just ask a direct question. im on ubuntu 5.4 and trying to get mplayer installed, however it has dependencies on a few libs (fontconfig1 and libvorbis i believe) that i can't f ind a newer update for...but i suspect i can find them on the debian repository. is that correct? |
| 03:42.25 | cg0def | delyan: in alsamixer "m" mutes and unmutes a device |
| 03:42.25 | p8m | Schiz0: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 03:42.36 | Flimqy | Gnea: Then I set QuickBooks to use a Generic ASCII driver and print to my samba server... which, as I mentioned before, piped the input thru my perl script |
| 03:42.37 | Gnea | Flimqy: hrm, that's probably the divide then, as I never used quickenbooks for anything.. then again, i've always been skeptical of financial software |
| 03:42.43 | cg0def | delyan: that's it |
| 03:42.44 | Schiz0 | thanks |
| 03:42.47 | Chass | memnips, go onto debian.org and check their package search function |
| 03:42.52 | Flimqy | Gnea: If you have any Perl experience, you could do it easily, too |
| 03:43.08 | Flimqy | Gnea: The same trick could be employed with practically any software |
| 03:43.24 | Gnea | Flimzy: that is fscking cool |
| 03:43.25 | Ketter | madclicker: hmmmpff.. before I realy can't stay awake. use modconf, check the /etc/modules.conf, read the manual for "modprobe", look at the related files. Then rundown /etc/network/interfaces to see if there is any wrong "doings", and see if uses the right interface for the dhcp-client.. by then you will be fine. |
| 03:43.33 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:43.48 | cg0def | delyan: there is also a config file that I had made at some point in order to get 5.1 working better |
| 03:43.56 | delyan | cg0def: i had to recompile the kernel to get these drivers. it was initially pretty stripped and light... let me try and I will let you know in a bit.... |
| 03:44.04 | cg0def | delyan: check some of the stuff that people have posted on alsa's site |
| 03:44.09 | Flimzy | Gnea: I did have two physical printers set up, as well... a Lexmark inkjet, and the KX-P1180. For customers who requested a printed invoice, my perl script would prepare one and then print it to the physical printer, and send a lable to the KX-P1180 |
| 03:44.14 | delyan | cg0def: can you post that config file somewhere ? |
| 03:44.17 | Chrissy2k5 | hmm i cant find the damn real config file for pure-ftpd .. |
| 03:44.40 | Schiz0 | Chrissy2k5- pure-ftpd doesn't sue a config file |
| 03:44.42 | Flimzy | Gnea: But those physical printers were not necissarily Samba-accessable, and weren't necissarily attached to the same physical computer(s), either. |
| 03:45.25 | manu_manu | i tried to setup up port forwarding it didnt work my port 8000 in now listening for sshd how can i disable port 8000 |
| 03:45.25 | cg0def | well I am not at the computer with the card right now (using a notebook) |
| 03:45.25 | Chrissy2k5 | :O |
| 03:45.25 | Ketter | Chrissy2k5: it's wrapper-script, so that means you have to have the conf auth and db dir's in the /etc/pure-ftpd/ dir. |
| 03:45.25 | Chrissy2k5 | :\ |
| 03:45.25 | cg0def | delyan: but I think I got the config file from alsa's site |
| 03:45.25 | Schiz0 | hm. |
| 03:45.25 | delyan | cg0def: alright. thanks. let me try now |
| 03:45.25 | Chrissy2k5 | sounds pretty damn complicated |
| 03:45.25 | madclicker | Ketter: i just got etherconf, let see if i can make it happen. Ketter thanks for your help, I really appreciate it. |
| 03:45.37 | Ketter | Chrissy2k5: for every setting you need to create a file with the propper contents |
| 03:45.42 | Ketter | Chrissy2k5: it's all in the manual |
| 03:45.47 | Chrissy2k5 | damn |
| 03:46.13 | Ketter | madclicker: your welcome |
| 03:46.45 | Ketter | Chrissy2k5: deny anonymous access is done by creating a file in the conf dir called NoAnonymous, with the word "yes" in it. |
| 03:46.58 | Ketter | wow.. |
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| 03:47.07 | Ketter | need to get sleep.. can't sit up straight.. |
| 03:47.13 | Gnea | Chrissy2k5: i've always found proftpd > * |
| 03:47.24 | Chrissy2k5 | :| |
| 03:47.43 | Ketter | Gnea: that's a mem-hog if you got a lot of users and a lot of files.. |
| 03:48.06 | Ketter | anyways |
| 03:48.09 | Ketter | buhbye |
| 03:48.18 | Chrissy2k5 | See Ya! dude ;| |
| 03:48.19 | maher | Chrissy2k5: if you're running ssh you could just use scp |
| 03:48.29 | Chrissy2k5 | hmm |
| 03:48.32 | Chrissy2k5 | apt-get ?ż |
| 03:48.44 | Schiz0 | yeah, you can apt-get ssh |
| 03:48.46 | delyan | cg0def: i only see one PCM line. you mentioned there should be two, right ? |
| 03:49.01 | rw | For some reason the time of my system is being modified by an event (cronjob or daemon) that I couldn't identify [yet] when and how. Does anyone imagine what it could be? Or at least what should I look for? |
| 03:49.31 | maher | rw: ntpd? ntpdate? does this happen after reboots? |
| 03:49.46 | Chrissy2k5 | how the hel do i use it maher ?ż |
| 03:50.02 | Schiz0 | how do you restart sshd? |
| 03:50.05 | maher | Chrissy2k5: use what? scp file user@host:dir |
| 03:50.12 | Chrissy2k5 | scp |
| 03:50.13 | Schiz0 | or rehash it or something |
| 03:50.18 | delyan | Schiz0: /etc/init.d/sshd restart ? |
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| 03:50.23 | rw | maher, i've already tried modifing the time and rebooting, it does not change the time, and I am not running ntp... any other idea? |
| 03:50.27 | maher | Schiz0: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 03:50.40 | Chrissy2k5 | i just wonna beable to connect thru an ftp client from my pc .. without having to type a long ass command for every file |
| 03:50.43 | maher | rw: when does the time change? |
| 03:50.45 | Schiz0 | no such file or dir. |
| 03:50.54 | hulu | rw: egrep -ri time /var/log/syslog |
| 03:50.56 | maher | Chrissy2k5: ok - install an ftpd then |
| 03:51.00 | delyan | Schiz0: apt-get install ssh |
| 03:51.01 | rw | maher, I coudn't identify this yet... |
| 03:51.02 | Gnea | ok, time for sleep |
| 03:51.05 | memnips | what do i enter in my sources.list file to add the debian repositories? |
| 03:51.06 | Schiz0 | its installed. |
| 03:51.10 | Gnea | good luck everyone |
| 03:51.19 | maher | rw: is it an hour out? totally random difference? |
| 03:51.20 | stew | memnips: run apt-setup |
| 03:51.30 | Schiz0 | it runs as a openbsd secure shell server |
| 03:51.36 | Schiz0 | not the normal sshd |
| 03:51.41 | Schiz0 | i dunno why |
| 03:51.59 | rw | maher, normaly it goes down in minutes, everytime getting bigger. Starts with small diferences and getting higher each day. |
| 03:52.05 | delyan | Schiz0: what is your at source? change to the standard ones and then remove and reinstall |
| 03:52.06 | maher | Schiz0: are you using debian? |
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| 03:52.08 | rw | hulu, nothing! |
| 03:52.12 | Gnea | Chrissy2k5: apt-get install proftpd |
| 03:52.13 | Schiz0 | yeah i am using debian |
| 03:52.18 | delyan | Schiz0: apt* source is what i meant |
| 03:52.19 | Schiz0 | and it is standard |
| 03:52.26 | maher | Schiz0: youhave ssh installed? |
| 03:52.29 | Schiz0 | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 03:52.30 | Schiz0 | yeah |
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| 03:52.33 | Schiz0 | i just isntaleld it |
| 03:52.33 | Gnea | just do it and figure it out, there's nothing 'simple' about anything in l inux |
| 03:52.34 | Chrissy2k5 | Gnea .. is pro easy to use/configure ?ż |
| 03:52.39 | rw | hulu, believe it or not... |
| 03:52.44 | maher | Schiz0: look in /etc/ssh |
| 03:52.50 | Gnea | Chrissy2k5: http://www.proftpd.org |
| 03:52.59 | Gnea | Chrissy2k5: read and educate yourself |
| 03:53.03 | manu_manu | Gnea is wrong |
| 03:53.08 | Schiz0 | moduli |
| 03:53.08 | Schiz0 | ssh_config |
| 03:53.08 | Schiz0 | sshd_config |
| 03:53.08 | Schiz0 | ssh_host_dsa_key |
| 03:53.09 | Schiz0 | ssh_host_dsa_key.pub |
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| 03:53.14 | Chrissy2k5 | :| |
| 03:53.16 | Schiz0 | ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 03:53.17 | maher | Schiz0: remove the do not run file |
| 03:53.18 | Schiz0 | ssh_host_rsa_key.pub |
| 03:53.20 | Schiz0 | shit |
| 03:53.21 | Gnea | manu_manu: prove it. |
| 03:53.28 | p8m | Gnea: debian != linux :P |
| 03:53.33 | Schiz0 | the what file? |
| 03:53.34 | maher | Schiz0: don't paste an ls here |
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| 03:53.35 | Gnea | oh oh |
| 03:53.37 | Gnea | yes |
| 03:53.41 | Gnea | definately time for bed. |
| 03:53.43 | Schiz0 | didn't mean to. |
| 03:53.49 | Gnea | good night all. |
| 03:53.56 | Gnea | (sorry i tried to help :P ) |
| 03:53.57 | delyan | Gnea: good night |
| 03:54.02 | Chrissy2k5 | - warning: unable to determine IP address of 'box1' ... when i change the hostname is there anything else i must do for the ip ?ż |
| 03:54.04 | maher | Schiz0: a fresh ssh install put a dontrun file in /etc/ssh unless you tld it not to |
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| 03:54.21 | madclicker | laterz galz and boyz |
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| 03:54.43 | Schiz0 | whats a dontrun file? |
| 03:55.02 | maher | Schiz0: a file called something like dont-run |
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| 03:55.40 | maher | Schiz0: if its not there do /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
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| 03:56.35 | Erpo | Hi all. I use evolution 2.0.4 for email. When I used 1.* it used to sort messages in my inbox into conversations that were expandable or contractable like a tree. Is this feature gone in 2.*? |
| 03:56.45 | delyan | does anyone have an idea why the black outpur on my turle beach santa cruz is dead air ? |
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| 03:57.15 | rw | maher, imagine any other thing? |
| 03:57.20 | Erpo | Nevermind. |
| 03:57.32 | ar3dam | how to configure my sound card on debian sarge with kde 3.3.x/? |
| 03:57.35 | maher | rw: dunno - maybe your hw clock is really broken |
| 03:57.40 | Chrissy2k5 | how do i set the ip address ?ż |
| 03:57.51 | delyan | i have a turtle beach santa cruz sound card and I am trying to use the green and black outputs. however, only the green one works. how can I enable the black one for 4.1 speaker setup? |
| 03:57.54 | dodgyville | Is there a program that can just use a Makefile to generate a static binary package? |
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| 03:58.11 | rw | maher, nope, it was working well before this install |
| 03:58.20 | maher | rw: dunno |
| 03:58.21 | delyan | all is unmuted in alsamixer.. |
| 03:58.43 | maher | dodgyville: the linker :) - try editing the makefile to convince it to produce statically linked bins |
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| 03:59.59 | Chrissy2k5 | hey can anyone tell me how i can set my ip address please ?ż |
| 04:00.01 | jcook | what's the util to list kernel module options? |
| 04:00.24 | maher | Chrissy2k5: etherconf / edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:00.41 | Chrissy2k5 | cheers maher |
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| 04:01.57 | Chrissy2k5 | Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/network/interfaces" -- using "application/*" |
| 04:02.29 | maher | Chrissy2k5: edit it with your favourite text editor |
| 04:02.31 | simonrvn | don't worry. it'ss just a text file |
| 04:02.42 | Chrissy2k5 | i see |
| 04:03.42 | Chrissy2k5 | theres no ip address in it ?ż |
| 04:03.59 | maher | Chrissy2k5: maybe try etherconf |
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| 04:04.13 | Chrissy2k5 | bash: etherconf: command not found |
| 04:04.19 | maher | Chrissy2k5: install it |
| 04:04.21 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 04:04.27 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 04:04.44 | Schiz0 | my box does. |
| 04:04.45 | Schiz0 | ;-D |
| 04:05.03 | Chrissy2k5 | sweet .. cheers maher, simon |
| 04:06.16 | Chrissy2k5 | Laughing Out Loud |
| 04:07.37 | Chrissy2k5 | can anyone help |
| 04:07.38 | Chrissy2k5 | i get this when doin apt-get install proftpd .... - warning: unable to determine IP address of 'box1.example.com' - error: no valid servers configured - Fatal: error processing configuration file '/etc/proftpd.conf' |
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| 04:08.42 | simonrvn | means you have to edit the conf ;) |
| 04:09.03 | Chrissy2k5 | last time i just took me into the configurator .... |
| 04:09.17 | Chrissy2k5 | didnt give me the errors installing it... |
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| 04:11.38 | delyan | how can i enable the rear speakers on a turtle beach canta cruz ? |
| 04:12.14 | delyan | i am using alsa |
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| 04:14.25 | sanmarcos | is there a way to regenerate my boot process (init), and before init when modules load, becuase rigtht now its verry messy, and has been since I updated to kernel 2.6, |
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| 04:18.53 | _joey | is there an application to limit bandwidth used per application? |
| 04:19.17 | _joey | per service? |
| 04:19.27 | sanmarcos | _joey: Im guessing the kernel |
| 04:20.25 | _joey | iproute2 is an interesting application |
| 04:20.46 | _joey | I want to know if anyone has done it |
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| 04:21.29 | patad | whats an irc client that runs without X |
| 04:21.39 | Schiz0 | a command line irc client? |
| 04:21.43 | patad | yeh |
| 04:21.45 | Schiz0 | bitchx |
| 04:21.49 | p8m | irssi |
| 04:21.50 | _joey | irssi |
| 04:21.56 | patad | easy to apt? |
| 04:21.58 | _joey | xchat |
| 04:22.04 | _joey | console |
| 04:22.10 | Schiz0 | xchat isn't command line is it? |
| 04:22.14 | patad | nope |
| 04:22.16 | patad | i just got it |
| 04:22.17 | patad | lol |
| 04:22.17 | _joey | it is |
| 04:22.20 | Xenguy | patad: irssi |
| 04:22.33 | patad | i dunno how to fetch it |
| 04:22.36 | _joey | xchat-text it's called |
| 04:22.39 | Schiz0 | apt-get install irssi? |
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| 04:22.49 | Schiz0 | or apt-cache search irssi |
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| 04:23.31 | debian-san | I have a kernel-image installed on my system. I would like to extract its associated .deb file. How can I do that? |
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| 04:23.54 | maher | debian-san: you can't |
| 04:24.02 | patad | yup it found it in the cache |
| 04:24.15 | debian-san | maher: :-( |
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| 04:24.22 | Xenguy | patad: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 04:24.24 | patad | irssi-text its called |
| 04:24.24 | maher | debian-san: maybe the .deb is in /var/cache/apt? |
| 04:24.30 | patad | yup beat me to it |
| 04:24.40 | debian-san | maher: No, it isn't. |
| 04:24.56 | maher | debian-san: snapshot.debian.net probably has a copy |
| 04:25.21 | debian-san | maher: No, it was a custom kernel-image. I will have to make it again. |
| 04:25.26 | patad | is irssi-text hard to navigate through open servers and pms |
| 04:25.32 | maher | debian: the .config should be in /boot |
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| 04:26.08 | Xenguy | westside: not here |
| 04:26.13 | debian-san | maher: Yes, indeed. I just wanted to save a few minutes. |
| 04:26.14 | Xenguy | ww |
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| 04:26.37 | debian-san | maher: I will build a new one right away. Thanks. |
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| 04:27.50 | sanmarcos | does debian use hotplug by default? |
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| 04:28.10 | maher | sanmarcos: on >=sarge |
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| 04:28.26 | patad | howcome my neighbour can have green for folders and blue for files or something like that? |
| 04:28.29 | Chrissy2k5 | i am using proftpd .. where can i edit which users can upload to where ?ż |
| 04:28.31 | sanmarcos | maher: thanks |
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| 04:30.14 | Schiz0 | Chrissy2k5- you usually have to set permissions in the dirs to be writable by the user. |
| 04:30.23 | TinyIRC | Hi |
| 04:30.26 | Chrissy2k5 | Oh ok sounds sweet |
| 04:30.28 | Schiz0 | i never used proftpd though, so i'm not sure |
| 04:30.38 | Debian-Newbie | Hi again :) |
| 04:30.41 | Schiz0 | hi Debian-Newbie |
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| 04:30.50 | Chrissy2k5 | so for example how would i let a user called chris write to /var/www/ ?ż |
| 04:31.11 | Debian-Newbie | Hi, I'm currently deciding between Debian and Ubuntu, can anyone point me to a page which has a comarison of both? |
| 04:31.21 | Debian-Newbie | comparison |
| 04:31.25 | Schiz0 | chown -R chris /var/www/ |
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| 04:32.23 | Schiz0 | Debian-Newbie- debian pwns ubuntu - but thats just my opinion ;-D |
| 04:32.30 | DigiKill | Debian-Newbie: are you a linux newbie? |
| 04:32.33 | Chrissy2k5 | hmm cheers Schiz0 .. if this works you have solved many ftp related problems for me :p |
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| 04:32.37 | Chrissy2k5 | i woner Dig :p |
| 04:32.41 | DigiKill | in general that is |
| 04:32.41 | Chrissy2k5 | wonder* |
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| 04:33.01 | Debian-Newbie | DigiKill: using Linux for years now, but I'm still a newbie, since I don't admin the machines I use at work :) |
| 04:33.14 | patad | guys, about irssi, how do i join a 2nd server? |
| 04:33.21 | rportocarrer | Hi guys |
| 04:33.34 | Schiz0 | hey rportocarrer |
| 04:33.59 | rportocarrer | I find files configuration of ldap |
| 04:34.00 | Debian-Newbie | Schiz0: why do you think that Debian owns Ubuntu, can you give some simple reasons? |
| 04:34.02 | DigiKill | Debian-Newbie: use Debian then : ive used Ubuntu and you're stuck w. either Gnome or KDE for the most part : at least w. Debian you can use Xfce/openbox/etc |
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| 04:34.21 | p8m | patad: use /connect instead of /server |
| 04:34.28 | Debian-Newbie | DigiKIll: why can't you use debian packages with Ubuntu? |
| 04:34.35 | p8m | Read the faq on the site. |
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| 04:34.41 | Schiz0 | because ubuntu isn't debian? |
| 04:34.41 | patad | p8m, thanks |
| 04:34.46 | Chrissy2k5 | Schiz0 i am still getting [R] 550 linux stuff.txt: Permission denied - [R] Transfer Failed! |
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| 04:34.59 | Schiz0 | did you give the dir write permissions? |
| 04:35.07 | Debian-Newbie | Yes, but aren't the packages compatible? |
| 04:35.14 | Numerador | what's iroffer? |
| 04:35.15 | DigiKill | Debian-Newbie: cuz ubuntu is built off of debian, but isnt as powerful right off the bat.... |
| 04:35.24 | Chrissy2k5 | Biatch |
| 04:35.25 | Debian-Newbie | I mean, aren't debian packages and Ubuntu ones compatible? |
| 04:35.26 | Chrissy2k5 | gr |
| 04:35.27 | patad | p8m, that didnt do anything? how can i switch chans/server windows? |
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| 04:35.54 | Chrissy2k5 | Shiz0 i did - chown -R chris /var/www/ |
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| 04:36.17 | Debian-Newbie | If I understood, Ubuntu takes the debian packages from SID, so they should be compatible. |
| 04:36.19 | Chrissy2k5 | and i am tryin to upload linux stuff.txt to /var/www/ logged in to the ftp as chris |
| 04:37.12 | Xenguy | patad: you'll probably need to read some documentation at first at http://irssi.org/ until you get things configured the way you like |
| 04:37.19 | patad | ok |
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| 04:37.21 | Schiz0 | are you using vitural users or actual system users? |
| 04:37.41 | Chrissy2k5 | i aint done nothing to do with virtual users |
| 04:37.42 | patad | when they say Meta, how do you do that? |
| 04:37.44 | Xenguy | patad: irssi does some things a bit differently, but it's worth persisting IMO |
| 04:37.55 | patad | #? |
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| 04:38.05 | Xenguy | patad: Meta = Esc (or sometimes Alt) |
| 04:38.23 | DigiKill | Debian-Newbie: that is true.....but its kinda like this : Ubuntu is the BaseModel Porsche and Debian is the FULLY Loaded Convertible Porsche |
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| 04:38.38 | DigiKill | granted...both are nice.... |
| 04:38.39 | Xenguy | patad: if you use Esc, then press and let go, then hit another key |
| 04:38.45 | DigiKill | but i wanna have a convertible ;) |
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| 04:38.55 | patad | thanks Xenguy |
| 04:38.57 | Chrissy2k5 | nice example Digi :P |
| 04:39.01 | Xenguy | patad: yw |
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| 04:39.06 | Schiz0 | hmm..i know this is off topic, but does anyone know if phpBB 2.0 works with php 5? |
| 04:39.16 | Chrissy2k5 | should do :| |
| 04:39.19 | Schiz0 | they say they don't support php 5, but i wannta see if it works |
| 04:39.21 | rrt | anyone using moneydance? |
| 04:39.29 | neo50 | hi pals |
| 04:39.35 | patad | Xenguy, one more thing, im already in a server, how do i connect to one without replacing it, what p8m said didnt work |
| 04:39.40 | neo50 | I've got a question |
| 04:39.44 | Chrissy2k5 | it should do Schiz0 ... |
| 04:39.47 | DigiKill | not i rrt |
| 04:40.03 | neo50 | you see I'am having problems printing with an epson printer |
| 04:40.08 | neo50 | a c45 |
| 04:40.12 | DigiKill | ty Chrissy2k5 :P.....i figure everyone gets the "car analogy" |
| 04:40.20 | Chrissy2k5 | :p |
| 04:40.22 | neo50 | I can print with |
| 04:40.28 | neo50 | konqueror |
| 04:40.34 | neo50 | and many aplications |
| 04:40.40 | DigiKill | 1/3rd of the way done w. mke2fs :| |
| 04:40.42 | neo50 | less mozilla and firefox |
| 04:41.03 | maher | neo50: mozilla / firefox tend to use xprint to print |
| 04:41.05 | neo50 | I have cups installed |
| 04:41.18 | sanmarcos | is /etc/modules deprecated in sarge? |
| 04:41.24 | neo50 | what should I so? |
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| 04:41.42 | maher | neo50: do you have xprint installed? |
| 04:41.43 | Chrissy2k5 | Oh Schiz0 i have been informed that phpbb2.0 wont run with php5.0 |
| 04:41.58 | Schiz0 | ah, where'd you find that? |
| 04:42.10 | cg0def | hi, can someone help me with a module-assistant problem? |
| 04:42.23 | neo50 | let me check |
| 04:42.24 | Chrissy2k5 | good old google :P |
| 04:42.27 | Chrissy2k5 | phpbb forums :P |
| 04:42.29 | Schiz0 | heh |
| 04:42.35 | Chrissy2k5 | like on the actual phpbb site |
| 04:42.43 | Schiz0 | damnit |
| 04:42.48 | Schiz0 | i need php5 >:o |
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| 04:42.53 | neo50 | yes I have it installed |
| 04:42.58 | neo50 | so? |
| 04:43.37 | maher | neo50: umm... what happens when you print from moz? |
| 04:43.47 | neo50 | I can print |
| 04:43.49 | neo50 | but |
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| 04:44.06 | neo50 | with a kind of |
| 04:44.12 | neo50 | letter in 64 |
| 04:44.15 | neo50 | very big |
| 04:44.17 | simonrvn | tirer les vers du nez... |
| 04:44.18 | hikenboot | Hi everyone, I'm having trouble with an usb mouse, it is detected by the usb driver and seems to be working. The problem appears when starting X... i can't figure out in /dev which device to point to... Anyone willing to help please ? |
| 04:44.18 | neo50 | it says |
| 04:44.26 | neo50 | poscript/epson |
| 04:44.29 | neo50 | and |
| 04:44.32 | neo50 | EPSON@64 |
| 04:44.37 | simonrvn | can you at least try to have what you say on one line? |
| 04:44.48 | maher | neo50: dpkg-reconfigure xprint - change the dpi size |
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| 04:44.58 | neo50 | ok let me try |
| 04:45.00 | maher | hikenboot: /dev/input/mice |
| 04:45.08 | hikenboot | hummm |
| 04:45.08 | neo50 | thanks |
| 04:45.12 | hikenboot | ok, trying |
| 04:45.13 | hikenboot | brb |
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| 04:46.28 | hikenboot | maher, no, sorry, didn't work |
| 04:46.37 | neo50 | which size should i choose |
| 04:47.05 | maher | hikenboot: what didn't work? |
| 04:47.09 | hikenboot | X |
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| 04:47.23 | hikenboot | seems /dev/input/mice drives to nothing |
| 04:47.26 | maher | neo50: what is it atm |
| 04:47.41 | maher | hikenboot: do cat /dev/input/mice and waggle the mouse |
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| 04:47.54 | Garyroca | alguien conoce el programa Tweak-XP Pro 4.05 |
| 04:48.00 | roo9 | what's a good way to figure out the fastest debian mirror? |
| 04:48.04 | Matt_O | arrgh.. does anyone know how to change the gnome url handler? it seems to be set for Mozilla and I want to change it to Firefox.. I haven't found anything in the gnome prefs for mozilla, only for epiphany, so I don't think I've found the right spot yet |
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| 04:48.15 | maher | roo9: apt-spy? |
| 04:48.18 | hikenboot | maher: no such file or dir... |
| 04:48.33 | hikenboot | i can see the mouse in /proc though.. |
| 04:48.41 | maher | hikenboot: devfs or real /dev |
| 04:48.50 | hikenboot | real /dev |
| 04:49.09 | sanmarcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.11 | maher | hikenboot: use MAKEDEV |
| 04:49.18 | hikenboot | humm |
| 04:49.19 | hikenboot | oki |
| 04:49.20 | maher | sanmarcos: not afaik |
| 04:49.21 | roo9 | maher: thanks |
| 04:49.33 | felipe_ | sanmarcos it depends if you use kernel 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 04:49.49 | felipe_ | on 2.4 is /etc/modules |
| 04:49.50 | hikenboot | maher: good idea but still the same |
| 04:50.00 | maher | hikenboot: MAKEDEV input |
| 04:50.13 | hikenboot | same |
| 04:50.19 | felipe_ | on 2.6 is /etc/modutils/ |
| 04:50.33 | maher | hikenboot: paste what youtype |
| 04:50.40 | hikenboot | MAKEDEV input |
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| 04:50.46 | maher | hikenboot: and the cat line |
| 04:50.55 | hikenboot | cat /dev/input/mice |
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| 04:51.39 | maher | hikenboot: what version of debian |
| 04:51.43 | hikenboot | sarge |
| 04:51.46 | hikenboot | pure |
| 04:52.07 | sanmarcos | felipe_:thanks |
| 04:52.44 | maher | hikenboot: try MAKEDEV -v input |
| 04:53.07 | patad | about irssi, how do you see whos in the chan? |
| 04:53.16 | hikenboot | maher: i can't paste |
| 04:53.20 | felipe_ | :) |
| 04:53.38 | hikenboot | well, seems to be going properly |
| 04:53.39 | maher | hikenboot: do you have a /dev/input/mouse0 |
| 04:54.12 | hikenboot | maher yes, and an 1 2 and 3 too |
| 04:54.12 | DigiKill | patad: there is a tweak you can do to have a "user list" show up : tho i have no clue how to use that.....i never got it to work and i prefer xchat |
| 04:55.10 | hikenboot | but cat will still do the same :( |
| 04:55.15 | neo50 | maher this is the atm |
| 04:55.22 | neo50 | Stopping Xprint servers: Xprt. |
| 04:55.22 | neo50 | Restarting Xprint server(s): Xprt. |
| 04:55.22 | neo50 | Stopping Xprint servers: Xprt. |
| 04:55.22 | neo50 | Starting Xprint servers: Xprt. |
| 04:55.22 | neo50 | dpkg-query: --status necesita al menos un nombre de paquete como argumento |
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| 04:55.37 | Chrissy2k5 | hmm what exactly would i type so i could acess+write+delete+overwrite to and from /var/www/ over ftp with the user chris |
| 04:55.46 | DigiKill | ouch |
| 04:55.52 | patad | DigiKill, can xchat work in console? |
| 04:56.07 | _biovore_ | oO |
| 04:56.16 | maher | hikenboot: what exactly does cat say? |
| 04:56.28 | hikenboot | maher: ok, hold on |
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| 04:56.54 | DigiKill | patad: helps to have a WM running, but it'll start from x11 no problem if its installed |
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| 04:57.20 | dogayonv | Hello everyone |
| 04:57.30 | hikenboot | maher |
| 04:57.31 | zignig | auto join bot --> pOLice |
| 04:57.40 | patad | DigiKill, so it must be in X? |
| 04:57.41 | zignig | porn spam :( |
| 04:57.41 | maher | neo50: don't flood and what is the current resolution? try changing it to eith 300 or 600 |
| 04:57.45 | hikenboot | http://eternityos.free.fr/makedev.txt |
| 04:57.51 | Schiz0 | wow. you know you're a irc junkie when you try to use / commands in shell scripts. |
| 04:57.56 | hikenboot | it's the output |
| 04:57.57 | neo50 | it's in 600 dpi |
| 04:58.19 | maher | neo50: change it to 300 |
| 04:58.20 | DigiKill | hahahaa Schiz0 |
| 04:58.20 | neo50 | but the size in mozilla is 64 |
| 04:58.22 | neo50 | ok |
| 04:59.03 | neo50 | I type the same you told me dpkg-reconfigure xprint - change the dpi size |
| 04:59.21 | maher | hikenboot: did you run MAKEDEV in /dev? |
| 04:59.29 | hikenboot | maher: yes |
| 04:59.36 | neo50 | ok |
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| 04:59.49 | maher | hikenboot: and you still have no /dev/input/mice file? |
| 05:00.06 | Chrissy2k5 | what exactly should type so i could acess+write+delete+overwrite to and from /var/www/ over ftp with the username chris |
| 05:00.27 | hikenboot | i have a file but i get no such device when i cat |
| 05:00.51 | neo50 | It tells that /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure it's not installed |
| 05:00.54 | DigiKill | Chrissy2k5: i thought you already did a CHOWN -R on it :| |
| 05:01.05 | Chrissy2k5 | yeh but it didnt let me right to it |
| 05:01.06 | maher | hikenboot: modprobe mousedev and try again |
| 05:01.08 | Chrissy2k5 | Permision denied |
| 05:01.55 | DigiKill | su CHOWN -R perhaps? |
| 05:02.17 | DigiKill | or sudo...which ever works :| |
| 05:02.18 | maher | neo50: paste the whole error in #flood |
| 05:02.48 | hikenboot | maher: fixed :) |
| 05:02.50 | Chrissy2k5 | what chmod attributes should i have set on the folder ?ż |
| 05:02.55 | hikenboot | maher: thanks |
| 05:02.56 | maher | hikenboot: are you running hotplug? |
| 05:03.05 | hikenboot | maher: no |
| 05:03.05 | Schiz0 | Chrissy2k5- try chmod 666 |
| 05:03.13 | Schiz0 | er 0666 |
| 05:03.23 | neo50 | last time I put it |
| 05:03.34 | neo50 | I was kicked out of the chat |
| 05:03.44 | maher | hikenboot: hotplug does this sort of thing for you - try running it |
| 05:03.54 | maher | neo50: join #flood |
| 05:03.56 | Chrissy2k5 | cant access the folder www :| |
| 05:03.59 | Chrissy2k5 | permission denied |
| 05:04.00 | Debian-Newbie | Hey folks, I just came from #Ubuntu and the guys said that all the packages I will ever need are in Ubuntu. Any comments on that? |
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| 05:04.07 | neo50 | ok |
| 05:04.16 | Schiz0 | Debian-Newbie: |
| 05:04.29 | Schiz0 | All the packages you will ever need are available in Debian. |
| 05:04.32 | maher | Debian-Newbie: they know what you will need in the future - that's probably more than we do :) |
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| 05:05.31 | Debian-Newbie | Is it true that I can't or shouldn't use packages from SID in debian-testing? |
| 05:05.45 | maher | Debian-Newbie: ubuntu is a derivative of debian based on unstable, so it works better with newer hardware than stable |
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| 05:05.57 | Schiz0 | i run testing..stable is way to old. |
| 05:06.07 | maher | Debian-Newbie: also ubuntu try and make more decisions for you than debian does - some people prefer this |
| 05:06.08 | Schiz0 | and unstable is too new lol |
| 05:06.26 | DigiKill | im sittin here waitin on Debian to finish checking my other box's hdd to start the install :| |
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| 05:06.43 | [bono] | Question: I have a RivaTNT and some cheap Trident cards... Im trying to run a dual-screened X server. It works when using xfree86 "nv" driver, but it doesn't when using nvidia's latest linux driver... Any known issue here? |
| 05:06.45 | Debian-Newbie | Ok, but if I rund debian testing and need some new hardware support can I install the corresponding package from SID? |
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| 05:06.58 | maher | Debian-Newbie: in theory it should be hard to get stuff in unstable to work on ubuntu modulo some rebuilding, but in practice who knows |
| 05:07.01 | Schiz0 | what is sid? the unstable? |
| 05:07.22 | hikenboot | maher: got X working so i leave this text-based irc stuff |
| 05:07.22 | Xenguy | Schiz0: yes |
| 05:07.23 | Debian-Newbie | sid is unstable, YES |
| 05:07.24 | Schiz0 | i don't get any packages from unstable, only stable and testing, and i'm running great right now. |
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| 05:07.27 | hikenboot | maher: thanks again |
| 05:07.36 | maher | Debian-Newbie: its probably unwise to ponder this decision too long - pick one at random - install it - see if you like it |
| 05:07.53 | hikenboot | the modprobe mousedev fixed the stuff |
| 05:08.02 | Xenguy | Debian-Newbie: is this for a server or a desktop BTW? |
| 05:08.02 | hikenboot | am gone now... thanks |
| 05:08.04 | Debian-Newbie | maher: yep, but I will gather as much information as possible beforehand |
| 05:08.18 | Debian-Newbie | I want a Desktop. |
| 05:08.32 | neo50 | maher |
| 05:08.33 | Debian-Newbie | Is it true that I can't or shouldn't use packages from SID in debian-testing? |
| 05:08.45 | neo50 | I can't find #flog in the channel list |
| 05:08.49 | maher | debian: i dunno - what did they say in #ubuntu? |
| 05:08.56 | maher | neo50: #flood |
| 05:09.02 | neo50 | o sorry |
| 05:09.18 | Debian-Newbie | they said it shouldn't be done...you should stay in your debian version, not use packages from other versions |
| 05:09.29 | maher | Debian-Newbie: sorry - misread your question |
| 05:09.37 | roo9 | debian-newbie: http://www.backports.org/ |
| 05:09.52 | Debian-Newbie | Thanks for the link |
| 05:09.57 | cef | Debian-Newbie: you c`an, but if it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces |
| 05:10.01 | maher | Debian-Newbie: packages from unstable in general do not install cleanly on testing, but you can try rebuildin gthem on testing |
| 05:10.09 | bucky | Schiz0, sid is schizophrenic, sarge is bi-polar and woody has dementia from alzheimer's |
| 05:10.22 | Schiz0 | lol |
| 05:10.25 | Schiz0 | ah, so true. |
| 05:10.26 | Xenguy | bucky: heh |
| 05:10.34 | heloo | does anyone know what command to issue pcmcia at startup? |
| 05:10.39 | Chrissy2k5 | Schiz0- cheers mate .. sorted ... i set chown .. and chmod +X /var/www/ :P |
| 05:10.45 | Schiz0 | the hostname for my comp is bip0lar haha |
| 05:10.52 | Debian-Newbie | def: what do you mean, if it breaks you keep all the pieces? Does it break your whole system and you have to clean up the mess then? |
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| 05:11.45 | p8m | Debian-Newbie: He means that you are responsible if you break it. |
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| 05:12.27 | cef | Debian-Newbie: depends what you install. usually it's ok.. the issue is that say you install a package from sid on sarge. said package requires a version of a package not from sarge. either the package won't install, or you end up installing more sid packages to satify the dependancies |
| 05:12.35 | Debian-Newbie | Is there a page where they discuss this whole issue of the packages and the different versions of Debian on which they are supposed to run? |
| 05:12.42 | DigiKill | bbiaf : Deathstick time |
| 05:12.47 | Debian-Newbie | And why I can't use packages from one in the other? |
| 05:13.20 | Schiz0 | Debian-Newbie- if you run testing, you run testing, if you run stable you run stable..and so on. |
| 05:13.24 | cef | Debian-Newbie: suddenly you're running more sid than sarge. and then (god forbid!) a badly constructed version of a package enters sid, and things stop working |
| 05:13.25 | maher | Debian-Newbie: cos they get linked against different library versions |
| 05:13.55 | Debian-Newbie | Ok, thanks for the info. |
| 05:14.01 | Schiz0 | Debian-Newbie- i'd personally say run testing, its pretty new, but not new enough that it has huge bugs |
| 05:14.19 | cef | I'm running testing right now.. works fine |
| 05:14.32 | Debian-Newbie | Schiz0: what version of Firefox is in TESTING? |
| 05:15.19 | Schiz0 | firefox is firefox, it doesn't have anything to do with debian versions |
| 05:15.33 | maher | Debian-Newbie: packages.debian.org will tell you |
| 05:15.37 | cef | 1.0.1-2 |
| 05:16.26 | Schiz0 | cef- i run testing and i have version 1.7.6 |
| 05:16.27 | cef | note that debian versions do not always match upstream latest.. but they do fix bugs in the debian versions (hence the sub version number -2) |
| 05:16.28 | Debian-Newbie | Thanks |
| 05:16.41 | cef | Schiz0: that's mozilla.. not firefox |
| 05:17.03 | Schiz0 | ah, true, nevermind then :-X |
| 05:17.17 | cef | actually even I'm wrong.. I need to upgrade.. 1.0.2-3 |
| 05:17.28 | roo9 | debian-newbie: another thing to realize is that it takes a long time for security updates to reach debian testing, i do not suggest running this at all. |
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| 05:17.48 | Debian-Newbie | roo9: so what do you recommend using? |
| 05:17.57 | roo9 | debian-newbie: stable |
| 05:18.22 | Schiz0 | stable is too old :-P |
| 05:18.29 | Debian-Newbie | roo9: and what do you do when you need a more up to date package? Use the backports? |
| 05:18.30 | Schiz0 | i've never had a problem with testing |
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| 05:18.45 | roo9 | debian-newbie: for the 5-6 packages i need newer versions of, yes |
| 05:19.03 | cef | testing is not yet good for servers, where security is paramount |
| 05:19.14 | cef | however, for desktops it's not as bad |
| 05:19.15 | Debian-Newbie | roo9: and why don't u use UBuntu then? Sorry for this question here :) |
| 05:19.23 | roo9 | cef: testing isn't good for any system that you are going to use |
| 05:19.29 | cef | in the future, it will become a sore point |
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| 05:19.47 | roo9 | debian-newbit: i do, for all desktop systems. I only use debian on server, non-interactive systems |
| 05:20.09 | Debian-Newbie | roo9: ahh, I c. |
| 05:20.37 | MobyTurbo | Debian-Newbie: Sarge (testing) is better for desktops, but for servers you want better security support and less flux so stable is best then. |
| 05:20.39 | roo9 | debian-newbie: and quite frankly, despite the flames i am going to get for this, i highly suggest you use ubuntu |
| 05:20.39 | Debian-Newbie | From the point of view of Debian users: what is it that you don't like in Ubuntu? |
| 05:20.57 | Debian-Newbie | roo9: thanks for your honesty :) |
| 05:21.03 | roo9 | debian-newbie: not a problem |
| 05:21.06 | ysothoth | it's not debian |
| 05:21.14 | cef | I use both, but then, people keep saying I'm mad |
| 05:22.32 | DigiKill | lol cef |
| 05:22.48 | Debian-Newbie | I somehow don't like the fact that ubuntu is gonna make a lot of choices for me. But AFAIK I can later uninstall everything I don't like and customize my system, right? I want to use it as a Desktop, btw. |
| 05:23.01 | MobyTurbo | Debian-Newbie: Ubuntu is less flexable and is very GNOME (well KDE for kbuntu) centered. That having been said I've been giving less computer-literate friends Ubuntu CDs. |
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| 05:24.06 | MobyTurbo | Debian-Newbie: you can't use Debian repositories, and Ubuntu repositories outside of the small main one are frozen - actually Debian vanilla will be more up to date than Ubuntu except for GNOME/KDE. |
| 05:24.06 | DigiKill | MobyTurbo: same here....at least to the newbies to Linux |
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| 05:24.14 | cef | Debian-Newbie: that's just the default.. the debian way of configuring everything is usually there, but you usually just don't get asked.. you can change that behaviour |
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| 05:25.37 | Debian-Newbie | MobyTurbo: what is debian vanilla? Is it debian stable? |
| 05:26.20 | MobyTurbo | Debian-Newbie: Sarge or Sid, Stable is very old - but since Ubuntu is a snapshot of Sid plus a few bits it is unfair to compare it with stable. |
| 05:26.49 | Debian-Newbie | Ok |
| 05:26.58 | Debian-Newbie | Sarge == Debian testing right? |
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| 05:27.14 | Kvant | yes |
| 05:27.22 | MobyTurbo | Debian-Newbie: at this point Sarge is testing, in the future it will become Stable. |
| 05:27.35 | Debian-Newbie | ok... |
| 05:28.03 | Debian-Newbie | But I guess Ubuntu still wins in better hardware support, unless of course you run SID. Is this assumption correct? |
| 05:28.07 | cef | btu sid will always be unstable |
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| 05:28.28 | cef | Debian-Newbie: in some areas yes, in some areas no |
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| 05:28.59 | cef | anything that runs in ubuntu you can usually make work in testing/unstable.. but it might not be easy |
| 05:29.02 | felipe_ | Debian-Newbie the hardware support its related with the kernel, and all distros ..debian..ubuntu..redhat..run the same kernel (linux) |
| 05:29.09 | erzeon | how do i close a window, police keeps messaging me about porno videos when i join |
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| 05:29.18 | Nurbs | well, the installer matters, too+ |
| 05:29.23 | Nurbs | for hardware support |
| 05:29.38 | Nurbs | also, architectures for which the packages get compiled. |
| 05:30.02 | Thrawn | Hey all. Is there a secret to get 2 internet/public nics with 2 different gateways to work nicely together (seems I can only have 1 one on or the other) |
| 05:30.02 | erzeon | is there a program like itunes for debian |
| 05:30.05 | MobyTurbo | Debian-Newbie: the Sarge installer has excellent hardware support, and Ubuntu's installer is currently based on the Sarge installer. |
| 05:30.07 | Debian-Newbie | Well, I have AMD Athlon here. |
| 05:30.33 | Debian-Newbie | Ohh, thanks MobyTurbo. |
| 05:30.42 | MobyTurbo | erzeon: /wc, and send a message to the ops to kick him. |
| 05:30.46 | MobyTurbo | !ops erzeon says pOLice is a pornbot |
| 05:30.46 | Debian-Newbie | So there shouldn't be that much difference in Hardware support. |
| 05:30.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: erzeon says pOLice is a pornbot |
| 05:30.56 | erzeon | ?? |
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| 05:31.02 | DigiKill | considering how many more platforms/architecture Debian can run on, i'd have to say better hardware support on Debian vs. Ubuntu |
| 05:31.22 | MobyTurbo | boy am I lagging |
| 05:31.32 | cef | DigiKill: depends entirely on the architecture in question |
| 05:31.41 | erzeon | is there a program like itunes for debian |
| 05:31.43 | DigiKill | same here MobyTurbo |
| 05:32.15 | DigiKill | erzeon: not to my knowledge : at least like iTunes |
| 05:32.17 | DigiKill | try xmms |
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| 05:32.21 | Debian-Newbie | Another question: I want to dual-boot. Debian and Win98 SE. Is there any problem with this under Debian? |
| 05:32.23 | MobyTurbo | DigiKill: so it's not just my apt-get upgrade. |
| 05:32.23 | Schiz0 | not xmms |
| 05:32.25 | Schiz0 | try amarok |
| 05:32.28 | erzeon | can xmms transfer songs to ipod? |
| 05:32.31 | Schiz0 | ihate xmms |
| 05:32.32 | erzeon | can amarok do that?> |
| 05:32.33 | Schiz0 | amarok can |
| 05:32.37 | erzeon | ok thanks |
| 05:32.38 | DigiKill | cef: agreed |
| 05:32.39 | erzeon | how do i mount my ipod |
| 05:32.42 | Schiz0 | at least, i believe it can |
| 05:32.45 | cef | Debian-Newbie: no.. works fine.. I'm triple booting debian, ubuntu and XP |
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| 05:33.05 | cef | Debian-Newbie: XP was on the machine, installed debian first, then installed ubuntu |
| 05:33.14 | photar | Is there a way to have debian probe my video card and tell me what kind it is? |
| 05:33.15 | Debian-Newbie | cef: hey you just gave me a cool idea, why not install both Ubuntu and Debian lol. |
| 05:33.20 | Quinn_Storm | hey, I have a question about usb...I have a board here with an intel 82371SB usb controller (430HX main chipset, the usb controller is revision 01), and I'm having a really confusing problem. Windows doesn't have this problem, but ilnux seems to be ignoring when devices are plugged into it. they don't show up in lsusb (just the built-in hub), and hotplug is installed though given that they don't even show up in lsusb I f |
| 05:33.20 | Quinn_Storm | ried both 2.4.27 and 2.6.10 using uhci-hcd, uhci, and usb-uhci |
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| 05:33.39 | Schiz0 | photar- try lspci |
| 05:33.54 | Thrawn | Hey all. Is there a secret to get 2 internet/public nics with 2 different gateways to work nicely together (seems I can only have 1 one on or the other)? Any docs would be greatly appreciated :) |
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| 05:34.03 | photar | Schiz0: woot |
| 05:34.07 | Schiz0 | lol |
| 05:34.10 | cef | Debian-Newbie: I use both because I want to see sarge get out the door, while I also want to use ubuntu |
| 05:34.10 | Debian-Newbie | cef: Which version of DEbian are you running. And what do you like more currently: debian or Ubuntu? |
| 05:34.42 | Enolayale | where can I find a reposatory with azureus in it? that or the new java sdk? |
| 05:35.02 | MobyTurbo | Enolayale: /msg dpkg java |
| 05:35.09 | cef | Debian-Newbie: I can't easily compare them though I do like what Ubuntu does, but I still like Debian.. |
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| 05:35.29 | Debian-Newbie | cef: and which version of debian are you running? |
| 05:35.34 | cef | Debian-Newbie: I'm running testing.. but then again.. I am specifically testing |
| 05:35.49 | MobyTurbo | Enolayale: I download the latest Sun Java from java.sun.com, then use java-package to make a deb out of it. |
| 05:36.52 | Enolayale | MobyTurbo: yeah, I did it on mepis, installed sdk 1.5 to get azureus working properly |
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| 05:37.01 | DigiKill | wooohooo....over halfway done w. mke2fs |
| 05:37.18 | Enolayale | but I WAS able to get azureus in apt-get, not anymore it seems, do you possibly know a good repository? |
| 05:37.30 | MobyTurbo | Debian-Newbie: I personally wouldn't recommend woody/stable to a new desktop user or even a veteran Linux desktop user. Use Sarge. |
| 05:37.59 | Enolayale | MobyTurbo: why? |
| 05:38.06 | delyan | does anyone know how to get the rear speakers working on turtle beach santa cruz sound card ? |
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| 05:38.19 | cat | !ops pOLice is a spammer |
| 05:38.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pOLice is a spammer |
| 05:38.26 | Debian-Newbie | MobyTurbo: Ok |
| 05:38.59 | MobyTurbo | Enolayale: the Linux desktop experience has improved a lot since woody was released. antialiased fonts, major improvements in GNOME, etc. |
| 05:39.01 | Debian-Newbie | !ops I'm a newbie :) |
| 05:39.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: I'm a newbie :) |
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| 05:39.20 | MobyTurbo | Debian-Newbie: don't do that. |
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| 05:39.45 | Debian-Newbie | Why not? |
| 05:39.56 | cat | who cares if you'r a newbie or not? |
| 05:40.11 | Debian-Newbie | yep, I was just joking. |
| 05:40.17 | MobyTurbo | Debian-Newbie: because you don't want the wrath of ops to come down on you. ;-) |
| 05:40.36 | MobyTurbo | Debian-Newbie: yes, and pulling a fire alarm is just joking too. |
| 05:41.05 | Debian-Newbie | Ok, sorry then. |
| 05:41.44 | delyan | can anybody give a hint ? |
| 05:41.46 | Debian-Newbie | ... |
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| 05:42.20 | MobyTurbo | Debian-Newbie: there are many better ways of abusing the bots than that. :-) |
| 05:42.23 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 05:42.24 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 05:43.01 | delyan | does anyone know a way to get the rear surround working with alsa and turtle beach santa cruz ? |
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| 05:43.46 | Enolayale | MobyTurbo: do you have an extensive sources.list? |
| 05:44.09 | MobyTurbo | Enolayale: just testing main contrib and non-free plus marillat |
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| 05:44.29 | patricka | hello |
| 05:44.34 | Enolayale | do all of debs official servers have the exact same things? |
| 05:44.39 | patricka | i was wondering how can i kill a process for good? |
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| 05:44.52 | sineer | patricka, kill -9 pid |
| 05:45.01 | delyan | patricka: kill -9 pid and make sure noone runs it |
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| 05:45.10 | MobyTurbo | Enolayale: they should |
| 05:45.13 | *** part/#debian sineer (~Sineer@modemcable243.170-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 05:45.19 | patricka | well maybe how do i terminate one? |
| 05:45.23 | patricka | not for good,... |
| 05:45.40 | delyan | patricka: same |
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| 05:45.59 | patricka | someone sends me a link for free pornos when i join #debian |
| 05:46.08 | Enolayale | MobyTurbo: do you mind dccing over your sources? |
| 05:46.09 | patricka | can you make him/she stop |
| 05:46.22 | delyan | cg0def: hi |
| 05:46.22 | patricka | its pOLice |
| 05:46.37 | Enolayale | free ponoz |
| 05:46.44 | patricka | yeh |
| 05:46.48 | patricka | why is he doing it |
| 05:46.58 | MobyTurbo | patricka: someone needs to wake up the ops :( |
| 05:47.10 | patricka | lol |
| 05:47.25 | cef | MobyTurbo: or a freenode staffer |
| 05:47.28 | mwilson | patricka: Gee, why do you think? |
| 05:47.42 | patricka | lol |
| 05:47.54 | delyan | anybody able to answer my question ? |
| 05:48.05 | Enolayale | sorry delyan |
| 05:48.18 | delyan | i need to get the rear surround working with alsa and turtle beach santa cruz ... |
| 05:48.18 | Enolayale | try looking up the difference in sound servers |
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| 05:48.27 | Enolayale | and check your module |
| 05:48.34 | Schiz0 | Hm... |
| 05:48.52 | delyan | Enolayale: the module is the correct one. i did make sure that |
| 05:48.58 | delyan | Schiz0: hi |
| 05:49.00 | Schiz0 | are we allowed to all team up and dos pOLice off the network? ;-) |
| 05:49.14 | patricka | lets get him! |
| 05:49.15 | Enolayale | I hear different 'audio servers' work differently too |
| 05:49.18 | Schiz0 | but then again its probally a bot and will rejoin. |
| 05:49.19 | Enolayale | so I say look into that |
| 05:49.21 | Debian-Newbie | Ok thanks for the patience everyone. Bye :) |
| 05:49.21 | mwilson | Let's not. |
| 05:49.22 | Debian-Newbie | Ok thanks for the patience everyone. Bye :) |
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| 05:49.36 | patricka | where are mods when you need em |
| 05:49.36 | Schiz0 | i was kidding mwilson. |
| 05:49.47 | patricka | !seen DerJamster |
| 05:49.48 | dpkg | derjamster <~versis@prag101.server4you.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 67d 8h 6m 38s ago, saying: 'Yay root.'. |
| 05:49.49 | MobyTurbo | !ops pOLice is a pornbot |
| 05:49.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pOLice is a pornbot |
| 05:49.53 | cef | ops sleep too ya know! |
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| 05:50.27 | patricka | dpkg: kill pornbot! |
| 05:50.35 | patricka | lol |
| 05:51.05 | kelbin | ah oh my god... [13:48] <pOLice> http://www.megasexx.da.ru Free Porno Videos |
| 05:51.15 | patricka | we know |
| 05:51.23 | patricka | dont go there |
| 05:51.24 | MobyTurbo | yo ops! ;-) |
| 05:51.26 | mwilson | Who cares, is what I want to know. |
| 05:51.50 | tag | have there been any recent postfix issues? |
| 05:51.58 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: because ads in general on the internet are annoying? |
| 05:52.06 | mwilson | tag: Such as? |
| 05:52.11 | patricka | pkill aint killing my proceaa |
| 05:52.15 | patricka | process |
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| 05:52.49 | RaCarter | man |
| 05:52.57 | RaCarter | debian has the worst installer |
| 05:52.58 | RaCarter | ever |
| 05:53.11 | tag | mwilson: I dunno, I just moved all my stuff from one debian box to another...installed postfix from apt, and put my old config where my new one is, rehashed all my maps...and its just failing to find users |
| 05:53.15 | RaCarter | can anyone help me get x windows server running? |
| 05:53.18 | tag | actually, its failing to find aliases |
| 05:53.20 | mwilson | RaCarter: Yeah... it actually expects you to be able to think. |
| 05:53.22 | MobyTurbo | RaCarter: you aren't using d-i |
| 05:53.29 | DigiKill | RaCarter: you've never installed FreeBSD |
| 05:53.43 | cef | tag: used postmap to check the hashes and the like work? |
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| 05:53.59 | delyan | RaCarter: apt-get install x-window-system kde |
| 05:54.43 | RaCarter | right now I am loading gdm by I think the error is from xserver |
| 05:54.46 | Thrawn | dmwaters did us a favor :) |
| 05:54.55 | RaCarter | it keeps stating Fatal Error: No Screen Found |
| 05:55.28 | Erpo | RaCarter: I feel your pain. Installing Debian requires a lot of specialized knowledge, and so does getting X working in many cases. The best advice I can give you is to get a really firm understanding of how the /etc/X11/XF86Config file works, and to make good friends with the xf8config program (that's all in lower case). |
| 05:55.29 | mwilson | RaCarter: Yes, read the WHOLE log file. |
| 05:55.32 | MobyTurbo | RaCarter: you aparantly didn't install all of the X Window System. |
| 05:56.02 | mwilson | Erpo: And better still, forget that "xf8config" (whatever that's supposed to be) even exists. |
| 05:56.29 | delyan | RaCarter: fix your XF86Config.. i guess |
| 05:56.33 | MobyTurbo | Erpo: that's not neccesary, debconf is easier and keeps things up to date. |
| 05:56.43 | Erpo | RaCarter, mwilson: Sorry about the typo. That was supposed to be xf86config. |
| 05:57.03 | mwilson | Erpo: And forget that one exists, too. |
| 05:57.06 | delyan | RaCarter: or try regenerating it with xf86config |
| 05:57.08 | MobyTurbo | Erpo: at any rate Debian has it's own configuration program that's superior. |
| 05:57.23 | tag | I've checked the configuration several times everything looks fine, swesh01 postfix/error[18013]: 0B513178283: to=<newser@pokerjunkie.com>, relay=none, delay=0, status=bounced (User unknown in virtual alias table)....but check it out... |
| 05:57.28 | cef | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:57.42 | Erpo | MobyTurbo: In my humble opinion, debconf is a bandaid on a seppuku victim. |
| 05:57.47 | cef | that's the way to reconfig X |
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| 05:58.05 | MobyTurbo | Erpo: what makes xf86config superior? |
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| 05:58.52 | MobyTurbo | Erpo: and incidentally, I've used both |
| 05:58.53 | cef | woops! |
| 05:58.53 | Erpo | MobyTurbo: It's available and consistant between virtually all Linux distros. |
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| 05:58.53 | cef | wasn't me, I promise *grin* |
| 05:58.55 | delyan | has anyone had experience with the rear surround of a turtle beach santa cruz ? |
| 05:58.59 | Erpo | MobyTurbo: By default. |
| 05:59.07 | MobyTurbo | Erpo: it also requires that you hand-edit the file afterwards anyway. |
| 05:59.31 | bucky | delyan, you need to activate the turtle's rear legs |
| 05:59.37 | Ferret | Haha. |
| 05:59.48 | Erpo | delyan: I have experience with ES1371 rear surround. I'll bet you're having the same problem. |
| 05:59.58 | delyan | hehe, i've tried that already.. ;-) |
| 06:00.18 | delyan | Erpo: let's see.... how did you get yours to work ? |
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| 06:01.11 | Erpo | delyan: I got it to work by switching from OSS to ALSA and running amixer to get the volume of the "rear surround" control above zero. There were many controls with labels suggestive of rear surround volume. Only one of them worked. Keep trying. |
| 06:01.37 | Erpo | MobyTurbo: In many cases it doesn't require hand-editing. Even in that case I still think it's better. |
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| 06:03.27 | delyan | Erpo: i run ALSA though i dont seem to find any rear surround option in amixer |
| 06:03.48 | MobyTurbo | Erpo: I used to think that too, until I recognized that doing things the Debian way nine times out of ten saves a lot of time. |
| 06:04.17 | Erpo | MobyTurbo: I'm sure it saves time for those who use it and stay on Debian. |
| 06:04.41 | mwilson | What is "stay on Debian" supposed to mean? |
| 06:04.49 | MobyTurbo | Erpo: I still remember how to use xf86configure for those few distros that need it. |
| 06:05.10 | MobyTurbo | s/figure// |
| 06:05.14 | MobyTurbo | ugh, s/ure// |
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| 06:06.40 | delyan | Erpo: I believe I can achieve the same effect with alsamixer, can't I ? |
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| 06:06.58 | PenguinOfDoom | Why doesn't "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 generate a new /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 06:07.43 | liable | PenguinOfDoom: have you hand edited it? |
| 06:07.47 | mirk | How do I find whatever (uninstalled) package contains a specific filename? |
| 06:07.49 | MobyTurbo | PenguinOfDoom: if you've reedited it you have to generate a new checksum for debconf to modify it. See the instructions on the top of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 06:08.05 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: Now, now... that would require reading. |
| 06:08.09 | PenguinOfDoom | MobyTurbo: I deleted it! |
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| 06:08.21 | Erpo | delyan: I don't know. |
| 06:08.33 | PenguinOfDoom | argh, --reinstall time |
| 06:08.34 | delyan | Erpo: I can take a screenshot of my alsamixer options, if you don't mind, could you take a look and suggest? |
| 06:08.44 | MobyTurbo | PenguinOfDoom: you've deleted it? You're in deep do-do then. |
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| 06:08.48 | mwilson | PenguinOfDoom: And what's that going to do? |
| 06:08.53 | dtb | hewo |
| 06:08.57 | dtb | bug in kde: |
| 06:09.27 | PenguinOfDoom | mwilson: Something useful, I hope. |
| 06:09.29 | PenguinOfDoom | MobyTurbo: How so? |
| 06:09.31 | Erpo | delyan: Sure, why not. |
| 06:09.35 | PenguinOfDoom | Or maybe nothing. |
| 06:09.59 | delyan | Erpo: in a minute... |
| 06:10.08 | MobyTurbo | PenguinOfDoom: debconf assumes that if you delete something, you don't want it back. |
| 06:10.23 | PenguinOfDoom | Oh, well |
| 06:10.26 | dtb | right click desltop -> configure desktop > background > "Get New Wallpepers" ...... then ..... Select a thumbnail.. click "Install"...... while that is downloading select another thumbnail.... when the original is downlaoded it thinks the currently selected thumb is the one that was installed... so it marks that off. and u cant install it again :( |
| 06:10.36 | dtb | how do i give that to the kde developers??? |
| 06:10.40 | cef | sheesh.. just touch the file and then make an md5sum |
| 06:10.54 | mwilson | dtb: Why would anyone here know? |
| 06:11.03 | dtb | someone said go here |
| 06:11.09 | dtb | and they'll tell me... like ... a url |
| 06:11.11 | dtb | lol |
| 06:11.26 | mwilson | Gee, you'd think even a KDE user could figure out KDE's home page. |
| 06:11.50 | cef | dtb: are you running debian? |
| 06:11.57 | dtb | yes |
| 06:12.05 | cef | dtb: try in #debian-kde |
| 06:12.06 | dtb | is there a kde debian bug track thingey? |
| 06:12.24 | cef | dtb: and read the topic and welcome messages |
| 06:12.35 | dtb | lol kk |
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| 06:13.17 | cef | lo tag_ |
| 06:13.31 | cef | tag: figured out the aliases issue? |
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| 06:13.59 | tag | cef: eh, that was wack I dunno what happened, anyway no...did my messages displaying my map queries actually make it here? |
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| 06:14.05 | PenguinOfDoom | I touched XF86Config-4 and did the md5sum dance, but debconf still won't touch it. |
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| 06:14.15 | cef | tag: no.. netsplit |
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| 06:14.32 | tag | alright well this is what I have |
| 06:14.42 | cef | PenguinOfDoom: you're doing 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' ? |
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| 06:15.33 | delyan | Erpo: here it is: http://darbg.homeip.net/imgs/alsamixer.jpg |
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| 06:15.57 | PenguinOfDoom | cef: Yes. |
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| 06:15.58 | tag | My log says swesh01 postfix/error[18013]: 0B513178283: to=<newser@pokerjunkie.com>, relay=none, delay=0, status=bounced (User unknown in virtual alias table)....YET! postmap -q newser@pokerjunkie.com `grep virtual_alias main.cf | cut -d= -f2` gives me 'newser' and postalias -q newser `grep alias_map main.cf | cut -d= -f2` gives me |/www/pokerjunkie.com/newser |
| 06:16.03 | tag | so the alias is there |
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| 06:16.07 | tag | everything should be right |
| 06:16.09 | tag | right |
| 06:16.18 | tag | ? what didn't I check? |
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| 06:17.06 | tag | cef: Any ideas? |
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| 06:17.28 | cef | tag: hrm.. seems set up ok.. hrmm.. tried on #Wpostfix |
| 06:17.32 | delyan | Erpo: did you see it ? |
| 06:17.45 | cef | tag: err #postfix even |
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| 06:18.03 | Erpo | delyan: I don't see anything promising there. What kind of physical outputs does your sound card have? |
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| 06:18.17 | Thrawn^ | anyone have any documentation on how to use 2 different nics with 2 different networks with 2 different gateways? :( |
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| 06:18.27 | cef | tag: ahh yeah you did (i'm in there too) |
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| 06:18.41 | tag | crap man |
| 06:18.46 | tag | well none of my aliases are working |
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| 06:18.53 | tag | I'm really not sure what is going on |
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| 06:19.16 | tag | better yet, I'm really not sure what i've got messed up here |
| 06:19.25 | delyan | Erpo: let me see if I can find something .. |
| 06:19.26 | tag | 100% of my mail is bouncing heh |
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| 06:20.02 | Erpo | delyan: Find what? The back of your computer? |
| 06:20.11 | suzzi | ugg! any one know if any one has writen any thing that will emulate noise cancilation on a software level? I have a laptop with a builtin mic and would love to have something that will poll the mic and then invert the signal and pump it to my headphones? any hints? |
| 06:20.24 | delyan | Erpo: well, no. i was looking for a PDF :-) |
| 06:20.35 | Erpo | delyan: Ah. I see. |
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| 06:21.13 | Erpo | suzzi: Not to my knowledge, and you'd probably have to keep the mic pretty close to your ears. Have you considered noise cancellation headphones? They work pretty well. |
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| 06:22.15 | Erpo | suzzi: Oh, a big source of noise that not a lot of people think of is the CD Audio volume. The analog cable running from your cd drive to your sound card can pick up a lot of eletrical noise and mix it in with what you hear. Try muting it for computer listening if you haven't already. |
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| 06:22.43 | suzzi | Erpo: well The thing is that I'm at a coffeeshop and theres a live jazz band, there not bad just really loud (i'm too close to an amp more accruatly) just wanted a quick and dirty way to drownthem out a bit. |
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| 06:23.10 | delyan | Erpo: looks like turtle beach ftp site is down. here are the outputs: |
| 06:23.21 | Erpo | suzzi: Tell them they sound like 'n sync. |
| 06:23.33 | phaedron | hi |
| 06:23.34 | suzzi | Erpo: hehe... |
| 06:23.36 | Erpo | suzzi: That's better than any linux program. |
| 06:23.37 | suzzi | phaedron: hello |
| 06:23.48 | oiahsd | how do i search for a gnophone .deb on unofficial repositories |
| 06:23.53 | suzzi | Erpo: and not even a software solution |
| 06:24.06 | Thrawn^ | anyone have any documentation on how to use 2 different nics with 2 different networks with 2 different gateways? :( |
| 06:24.19 | delyan | Erpo: two inputs (irrelevant in this case), front channel, rear channel, center sub |
| 06:24.42 | Erpo | What kind of outputs are they? 1/8th inch stereo? |
| 06:24.45 | _biovore_ | Thrawn^ what you tring to do? |
| 06:25.04 | Erpo | SPDIF? |
| 06:25.24 | oiahsd | apt-cache search gnophone |
| 06:25.29 | oiahsd | apt? |
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| 06:25.41 | delyan | Erpo: i don't know.. standard outputs.... |
| 06:25.47 | mwilson | oiahsd: What's that supposed to do? |
| 06:25.56 | kaplanfx | oiahsd: try apt-get.org |
| 06:25.59 | suzzi | heres another question for the group, totaly off topic though |
| 06:26.00 | oiahsd | hopefully anger a robot into messaging me |
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| 06:26.14 | oiahsd | wow, apt-get.org is back up |
| 06:26.48 | Thrawn^ | biovore: i have a server that im transfering to a new ISP, so while the dns transfer is going I want to have that server be on BOTH internet networks at the same time... so i have eth0: lan eth1: inet1 eth2: inet2 but inet1 and inet2 both have their own gateways |
| 06:26.57 | JavaManiac | how can i connect to a adsl modem but for usb port?? |
| 06:26.58 | suzzi | my debian server is an older box but I need to shove a new larger drive in it, any one know of any problems with putting an ATA133 drive on a ATA66 board? |
| 06:27.06 | suzzi | other then the speed drop? |
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| 06:27.20 | Thrawn^ | biovore: it seems that when eth1 is up, eth2 doesnt work... and when eth2 is up, eth1 doesnt work |
| 06:27.20 | poonj | hey guys..anyone here use matlab? |
| 06:27.25 | oiahsd | thanks kaplan |
| 06:27.29 | oiahsd | yes |
| 06:27.39 | kaplanfx | oiahsd: no prob |
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| 06:27.47 | merlin262 | suzzi, the only thing I can think of would be BIOS problems with the larger hard drive |
| 06:28.01 | mud | im getting this error in dmesg....hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 06:28.01 | mud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:28.16 | delyan | mud: bad drive |
| 06:28.35 | JavaManiac | how can i connect to a adsl modem but for usb port??help pleaseeeeee |
| 06:28.55 | liable | mud: laptop? |
| 06:28.58 | delyan | mud: most likely the hard disk has a hardware problem. |
| 06:28.59 | mud | delyan: really? i just got this cause my other one got fried |
| 06:29.19 | delyan | mud: that's what i've seen |
| 06:29.24 | mud | liable: nope liteon cd drive |
| 06:29.26 | tomb0y | mud: if its new, check your cables/ide ports |
| 06:29.28 | mirk | How do I find whatever (uninstalled) package contains a specific filename? |
| 06:29.30 | kaplanfx | mud: there is a setting to stop that I think |
| 06:29.33 | Erpo | suzzi: No. |
| 06:29.38 | delyan | mud: i know a work-around that you could try |
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| 06:29.48 | Erpo | suzzi: Most drives barely need ATA66. |
| 06:29.48 | RaCarter | how do you upgrade the filesystem to ext3 from ext2 on debian? |
| 06:29.48 | mud | delyan: sure |
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| 06:30.49 | silentbob | Is there a gui or something...like fedora has... system-config-services |
| 06:30.49 | tomb0y | racarter: man tune2fs |
| 06:30.54 | silentbob | To show what starts up with the box on boot. |
| 06:31.02 | zorton | does anyone have any idea why the frame buffer mode in svgalib might not be working? |
| 06:31.08 | delyan | mud: well, it won't be very helpful since you don't know which part of the hard disk is affected. if you knew the file that is written on the corrupted part, just rename it and copy a healthy file from somewhere else |
| 06:31.17 | JavaManiac | how can i connect to a adsl modem but for usb port?? |
| 06:31.24 | kaplanfx | mud: what you want is to use multimode by default |
| 06:31.25 | mud | delyan: its a cdrom drive |
| 06:31.38 | _biovore_ | sorry Thrawn.. I drifted off there.. |
| 06:31.44 | delyan | mud: sorry then |
| 06:32.00 | mud | kaplanfx: i saw that option in the kernel and checked it but i still get error |
| 06:32.11 | kaplanfx | mud: hmm, that stopped me from getting it |
| 06:32.30 | RaCarter | uuh also, how do you upgrade the kernel? |
| 06:32.39 | RaCarter | it is possible to do that with apt, right? |
| 06:32.42 | mud | kaplanfx: i went away but came back for me dont know how |
| 06:33.00 | kaplanfx | RaCarter: yeah the packages beigin with kernel-image |
| 06:33.02 | pipe | How the hell do I use CUPS? |
| 06:33.05 | _biovore_ | Thrawn.. you can only have 1 default gateway. else you have to make a more complex routing scheme |
| 06:33.06 | pipe | I cannot manage to make it do anything. |
| 06:33.08 | RaCarter | thanks |
| 06:33.11 | pipe | The debug output is not comprehensible. |
| 06:33.15 | kaplanfx | pipe: have you tried the web interface? |
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| 06:33.48 | kaplanfx | pipe: try pointing your browser to http://localhost:631/admin |
| 06:33.51 | pipe | kaplanfx: Yes. It automatically detects the printer and "configures" it. However, past that point, I can't make it do /anything/. Not a pip from the printer. Just nothing. And, as I mentioned, if I set the "loglevel" to "debug", I can't understand the output. How can I find out what's happening? |
| 06:33.56 | RaCarter | isn't the latest kernel up to 2.6 or so? |
| 06:33.59 | _biovore_ | you might be able specify default route for a network and connect it to a ethX device |
| 06:34.12 | RaCarter | apt-cache search only shows up to 2.4 |
| 06:34.13 | kaplanfx | RaCarter: 2.6.11.7 |
| 06:34.15 | pipe | kaplanfx: I mean, clearly, something is not working. How am I supposed to find out what? It looks like it's working. It just doesn't do shit. |
| 06:34.24 | kaplanfx | RaCarter: which version of debian are you using? |
| 06:34.26 | tomb0y | racarter: you need testing/unstable for 2.6 |
| 06:34.38 | Thrawn^ | biovore: yeah im starting to read about multi-homed hosts.... :/ any suggestions on where to look further? |
| 06:34.38 | RaCarter | um.. woody |
| 06:34.45 | pipe | kaplanfx: Should I not use "foomatic-gui" ? |
| 06:34.48 | kaplanfx | pipe: dunno |
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| 06:35.12 | kaplanfx | pipe: I installed the hp driver, ran cups web interface, now it works |
| 06:35.16 | _biovore_ | you doing this while waiting for DNS to update? |
| 06:35.16 | pipe | kaplanfx: Jesus. Has anyone, anywhere, ever used cups for anything constructive? Seriously, this is even worse than lpr/pld. At least those worked (or didn't, in obvious ways.) |
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| 06:35.32 | kaplanfx | pipe: cups works fine in most programs for me |
| 06:35.36 | pipe | kaplanfx: I've tried this on two systems with two printers, and I can't even get it to make the printer pay attention. |
| 06:35.51 | kaplanfx | pipe: well you are doing something wrong most likely |
| 06:35.54 | pipe | kaplanfx: Is there a cups "meta" package, which pulls in obscure things I might not have thought to install? |
| 06:35.58 | RaCarter | I downloaded this from http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/ and then chose woody-i386-1.iso |
| 06:36.02 | mirk | Is it possible to upgrade from debian stable to testing easily? If so, how? |
| 06:36.07 | kaplanfx | pipe: but I'm no cups expert |
| 06:36.10 | pipe | kaplanfx: I'm not sure what there is to go wrong, using the web interface :( |
| 06:36.18 | kaplanfx | RaCarter: that is several years old |
| 06:36.26 | kaplanfx | RaCarter: try debian-installer |
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| 06:36.34 | kaplanfx | dpkg: tell RaCarter about debian-installer |
| 06:36.35 | Thrawn^ | biovare: aye |
| 06:36.41 | _biovore_ | Thrawn^ try looking at using the route command with -net and device |
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| 06:36.55 | Thrawn^ | thanks |
| 06:37.09 | _biovore_ | route add gateway -net xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/24 ethX or something like that |
| 06:37.11 | Phoenix|DnD | FINALLY THE D&D MODULE IS DONE!! |
| 06:37.13 | Phoenix|DnD | THANK GOD!! |
| 06:37.18 | kaplanfx | pipe: so cupsd is running, the printer is on, will cups webinterface print a test page? |
| 06:37.20 | Phoenix|DnD | HAHAHHAHA |
| 06:37.22 | Phoenix|DnD | I WIN!!! |
| 06:37.25 | Phoenix|DnD | NOW I SLEEP |
| 06:37.25 | _biovore_ | DnD? |
| 06:37.30 | Phoenix|DnD | Dungeons and Dragons |
| 06:37.33 | kaplanfx | Phoenix|DnD: stop yelling dude |
| 06:37.36 | _biovore_ | module? |
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| 06:37.40 | Phoenix|DnD | u were thinking of the wrong kind of module |
| 06:37.45 | Phoenix|DnD | D&D module is a campaign |
| 06:37.45 | pipe | kaplanfx: It will pretend to print a test page. |
| 06:37.46 | Phoenix|DnD | anyway |
| 06:37.48 | Phoenix|DnD | sorry the yelling |
| 06:37.50 | _biovore_ | ok.. |
| 06:37.51 | pipe | kaplanfx: Nothing actually happens on the printer. |
| 06:37.55 | Phoenix|DnD | I was happy ^_^ |
| 06:37.55 | kaplanfx | pipe: pretend? |
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| 06:37.58 | Phoenix|DnD | morning people! |
| 06:38.08 | pipe | kaplanfx: It adds it to the print queue, it says its printing, nothing happens. |
| 06:38.09 | kaplanfx | pipe: but it detects the printer? |
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| 06:38.19 | bander | lol |
| 06:38.24 | pipe | kaplanfx: Yes. Both printers are detected successfully. Both have drivers, both have "ppd" files specifying the drivers. |
| 06:38.38 | RaCarter | ok, now I know |
| 06:38.41 | Schiz0 | grrrr |
| 06:38.48 | RaCarter | but still how would I upgrade the kernel to 2.6? |
| 06:38.51 | Schiz0 | anyone know how to fix this error when i'm compiling something: |
| 06:38.52 | zorton | anyone use svgalib with teh framebuffer device under the 2.6 series of kernels? |
| 06:38.52 | Schiz0 | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl |
| 06:38.59 | felipe_ | pipe so maybe the problem is not cups related, lpr instead |
| 06:39.09 | felipe_ | or lprng |
| 06:39.09 | Schiz0 | i tried running ldconfig, didn't fix anything |
| 06:39.19 | Schiz0 | and perl's installed |
| 06:39.45 | felipe_ | is a parallel or a usb printer? |
| 06:39.56 | kaplanfx | pipe: I dunno then |
| 06:40.14 | pipe | felipe_: I've tried both. At the moment, a USB printer. What's lprng? Do I need the "lpr" package? I thought CUPS had its own, dummy lpr. |
| 06:40.27 | kaplanfx | Schiz0: maybe you need the perl developer packages? |
| 06:40.40 | cheal | RaCarter: are you using debian for a desktop or a server? |
| 06:40.53 | pipe | felipe_: installing "lprng" pulls in the lpd dependency. I do not understand how these two things intersect. I've only ever set up postscript printers under BSD with lpr/lpd. :( |
| 06:41.00 | RaCarter | right now desktop |
| 06:41.10 | RaCarter | but I will try to make it into a real crappy server at some point |
| 06:41.12 | cheal | RaCarter: upgrade to sarge |
| 06:41.17 | cheal | !tell RaCarter about d-i |
| 06:41.18 | felipe_ | um....cups+lpr good combination |
| 06:41.25 | Schiz0 | kaplanfx- thanks. |
| 06:41.29 | kaplanfx | Schiz0: apt-get install libperl-dev |
| 06:41.31 | cheal | RaCarter: sarge is fine for a crappy server too |
| 06:41.34 | kaplanfx | and libperl5.6 |
| 06:41.36 | pipe | felipe_: Ok, so I should install the lpr package, then? |
| 06:41.36 | Schiz0 | i'm doing it as we speak |
| 06:41.46 | felipe_ | yea sure |
| 06:41.47 | RaCarter | what should you use for a server? |
| 06:41.57 | RaCarter | a good one |
| 06:42.09 | Schiz0 | I run servers on sarge. |
| 06:42.10 | kaplanfx | Schiz0: actually maybe libperl5.8 |
| 06:42.12 | cheal | RaCarter: sarge or woody, the latter if you have high security requirements |
| 06:42.14 | kaplanfx | one of those |
| 06:42.38 | RaCarter | ok, well either way, how do you upgrade the kernel to 2.6 with woody? |
| 06:42.44 | cheal | RaCarter: for a 2.6 kernel, install sarge with the "linux26" install parameter |
| 06:42.50 | kaplanfx | RaCarter: you build it yourself |
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| 06:42.56 | jetx | !2.6 woody |
| 06:43.00 | kaplanfx | RaCarter: and then it breaks stuff anyway |
| 06:43.06 | cheal | !bunk 2.6 |
| 06:43.06 | dpkg | methinks bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 06:43.07 | jetx | i forget the factoid |
| 06:43.12 | jetx | ah |
| 06:43.26 | kaplanfx | RaCarter: use sarge |
| 06:43.36 | RaCarter | ok |
| 06:43.45 | jetx | sarge is better and you'll be upgrading to it soon anyway |
| 06:43.45 | felipe_ | pipe /etc/printcap and /var/run/cupsys/printcap |
| 06:43.50 | RaCarter | anyone have a cd-rw they can lend me? |
| 06:44.08 | jetx | mine just broke day b4 yesterday :( |
| 06:44.15 | pipe | felipe_: What significance do those two files have? |
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| 06:44.29 | jetx | planned obselecence or however you spell it |
| 06:44.30 | cheal | RaCarter: haha, sure, come to quebec :) |
| 06:44.37 | cyx | anyone heard about those sony psp hacks that allow you to get on irc through the psp |
| 06:44.47 | felipe_ | the printers and their filters and features |
| 06:44.58 | kaplanfx | cyx: its not really on the psp, its just using a webbrowser and a gateway |
| 06:45.11 | Schiz0 | cyx- i heard you can run a nix server on xbox ;-) |
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| 06:45.17 | cyx | kaplanfx: yeah but is there any type of project for it |
| 06:45.25 | Schiz0 | try google? |
| 06:45.32 | cyx | the screenshot of it showed them connecting to this irc network |
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| 06:45.33 | libben | Anyone knows if flightgear is gonna be updated soon? |
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| 06:45.49 | kaplanfx | libben: you a flight sim buff? |
| 06:46.15 | cyx | are there any channels here dedicated to hacking sony's psp |
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| 06:46.32 | kaplanfx | libben: if so fork out a few bucks and get x-plane, there is a linux client now and it is quite a bit better than flighgear |
| 06:46.40 | Schiz0 | cyx- not that i know of |
| 06:46.45 | cyx | damn |
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| 06:46.59 | kaplanfx | cyx: go to the channel #psp |
| 06:47.02 | kaplanfx | maybe they know |
| 06:47.09 | cyx | empty pretty much |
| 06:47.12 | kaplanfx | ah you are there |
| 06:47.26 | zhuyb | hi |
| 06:47.27 | cheal | libben: why? |
| 06:47.32 | Schiz0 | hey zhuyb |
| 06:47.43 | kaplanfx | cyx: did you try the forum listed in the topic? how did you end up here in #debian? |
| 06:47.54 | Schiz0 | yeah really how did you? lol |
| 06:47.55 | cyx | kaplanfx: i run debian, just force of habit |
| 06:48.02 | Schiz0 | ah. |
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| 06:48.05 | kaplanfx | cyx: oh |
| 06:48.09 | libben | well. im to new to linux to install it myself by downloading it... im in the phase where i only touches deb files =) |
| 06:48.18 | kaplanfx | I thought you were just a psp user that stumbled in here |
| 06:48.19 | libben | and i would love an updated version |
| 06:48.26 | cyx | Schiz0: that would be stupid to put nix on an xbox |
| 06:48.28 | cyx | heh |
| 06:48.36 | cyx | kaplanfx: well that too |
| 06:48.38 | cheal | libben: why? |
| 06:48.48 | cyx | kaplanfx: i'm picking mine up on tuesday |
| 06:48.50 | Schiz0 | dude that would rock, i would run massive servers on there, just because of the fact that i can go around saying my main server is on a xbox. heh |
| 06:48.55 | zhuyb | I have a problem.when I use "shutdown -h now" or "poweroff" to shutdown my IBM T42 laptop,the power seems not shutting off |
| 06:49.07 | kaplanfx | cyx: hmm, just realized #psp is the mersiane prime search |
| 06:49.10 | cyx | Schiz0: it just isn't that powerful and xbox is buggy imho |
| 06:49.17 | kaplanfx | has nothing to do with playstation portable |
| 06:49.17 | cyx | kaplanfx: haha that sucks |
| 06:49.27 | Schiz0 | zhuyb- try: shutdown -h -P now |
| 06:49.32 | cyx | *** cyx has left #psp. |
| 06:49.37 | p8m | xbox has only 64mb of ram too |
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| 06:49.45 | zhuyb | schiz0,thank you,I |
| 06:49.52 | Schiz0 | heh, only half what i run on my main server. |
| 06:49.58 | kaplanfx | cyx: the channel you want in #pspirc |
| 06:50.02 | Schiz0 | i despertly need more ram :-\ |
| 06:50.04 | kaplanfx | s/in/is |
| 06:50.12 | simonrvn | p2-mate: IT WORKED :) |
| 06:50.20 | cyx | i wouldn't mind modding an xbox but the mod's already out there for it in win32 api's are way more solid than the nix stuff |
| 06:50.21 | kaplanfx | Schiz0: me to, I only have a gig |
| 06:50.26 | Schiz0 | hahaha. |
| 06:50.29 | cyx | like eXcalibur |
| 06:50.45 | Schiz0 | i heard some kid the other day saying that he has like 2 gigs of ram |
| 06:50.52 | Schiz0 | wtf do you do with 2 gigs of ram on a desktop. |
| 06:51.04 | libben | play nibbles |
| 06:51.04 | kaplanfx | Schiz0: open lots of programs :) |
| 06:51.05 | zignig | Schiz0: load up really big images ? |
| 06:51.08 | cyx | kaplanfx: you rock, thanks |
| 06:51.09 | libben | gorilla.bas even |
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| 06:51.14 | kaplanfx | cyx: no prob |
| 06:51.15 | Schiz0 | he isn't a huge gamer either, maybe halo 1, thats about it |
| 06:51.16 | libben | needs alot of mem |
| 06:51.20 | Schiz0 | lol |
| 06:51.22 | cyx | Schiz0: open really big text files in vi without crashing |
| 06:51.26 | Schiz0 | haha |
| 06:51.28 | Schiz0 | ihate vi |
| 06:51.32 | Schiz0 | vim is so much better |
| 06:51.34 | Schiz0 | ;-D |
| 06:51.38 | jetx | i played nibbles.bas |
| 06:51.46 | libben | gorilla.bas owned |
| 06:51.49 | cyx | i wonder how long it would take a fork bomb to crash 2 gigs |
| 06:51.51 | libben | nibbles.bas was fun |
| 06:51.51 | bander | vi is the best editor |
| 06:51.57 | cyx | that would be a cool performance test |
| 06:52.05 | jetx | !start an editor war |
| 06:52.06 | dpkg | edlin is known to cause brain damage |
| 06:52.17 | p8m | emacs rocks vim hard |
| 06:52.27 | kaplanfx | oh no |
| 06:52.28 | jetx | nano is your god |
| 06:52.44 | simonrvn | p2-mate: in OF, it said "compressed image!" then some other stuff i missed |
| 06:52.49 | kaplanfx | everyone knows microsoft word is the best text editor |
| 06:52.51 | cheal | kedit rules |
| 06:52.56 | Schiz0 | hahahaha kaplanfx |
| 06:53.01 | simonrvn | @kill kaplanfx |
| 06:53.03 | cyx | whats nano |
| 06:53.06 | cyx | oh that's like pico right |
| 06:53.13 | simonrvn | better |
| 06:53.18 | jetx | pico clone it says |
| 06:53.22 | Schiz0 | kwrite pwns kedit |
| 06:53.28 | kaplanfx | I like vi and kate to be honest |
| 06:53.32 | cyx | whatever floats your boat |
| 06:53.37 | cyx | it's what you type in the editor that counts |
| 06:53.38 | zignig | for gui , scite , for command line vim |
| 06:53.40 | jetx | i actually prefer gedit but that's just me |
| 06:53.42 | kaplanfx | cyx: that'd be water |
| 06:53.49 | Schiz0 | yeah vim is gooooood |
| 06:53.55 | cyx | like my love letters to katie homes |
| 06:54.03 | Schiz0 | i uninstalled vi and nvi on every system i use, and install vim ;-D |
| 06:54.13 | Schiz0 | unisntall* |
| 06:54.36 | kaplanfx | stupid gvim installed itself on my machine |
| 06:54.40 | kaplanfx | and it won't go away |
| 06:54.40 | jetx | you had it right the first time |
| 06:54.52 | jetx | gnome lubs j00 |
| 06:54.59 | kaplanfx | nooooooooooo |
| 06:55.01 | jetx | dagnome |
| 06:55.03 | Schiz0 | i don't like gnome |
| 06:55.05 | cyx | i need to dig around the docs to figure out how to get iptables to handle xbox live |
| 06:55.09 | kaplanfx | I don't even have knowme installed |
| 06:55.17 | kaplanfx | I use kde |
| 06:55.22 | cyx | it would be much easier if they just had like an ip_masq_xbox.o module or something |
| 06:55.23 | Schiz0 | kde rocks |
| 06:55.25 | kaplanfx | and fluxbox |
| 06:55.32 | jetx | i have 3.4 but don't use it much |
| 06:55.34 | Schiz0 | but i hate all that extra crap it installs with it |
| 06:55.44 | Schiz0 | it took me a while to figure out i could just install kde-core |
| 06:55.50 | jetx | it's the metapackages that kill you |
| 06:55.54 | jetx | right |
| 06:55.54 | Schiz0 | yeah lol |
| 06:56.09 | kaplanfx | Schiz0: how dare you call the kde tea cooker crap |
| 06:56.23 | helix | there's a kde tea cooker? |
| 06:56.26 | kaplanfx | how else am I supposed to know when my tea is done |
| 06:56.30 | Schiz0 | lol |
| 06:56.30 | jetx | yeah |
| 06:56.35 | helix | that's l33t |
| 06:56.40 | cyx | Schiz0: for a desktop user in linux 2 gigs is overkill but if you run windows and you game, it's about right |
| 06:56.45 | simonrvn | helix: :) |
| 06:56.53 | kaplanfx | hells yeah |
| 06:56.56 | jetx | you can use up 2G mapping easy |
| 06:56.57 | helix | kaplanfx: what's it called? (unless you're joking) |
| 06:57.02 | kaplanfx | no |
| 06:57.10 | kaplanfx | under toys |
| 06:57.15 | kaplanfx | its called kteatime |
| 06:57.21 | helix | kteatime, awesome. thanks. |
| 06:57.25 | kaplanfx | yep |
| 06:57.32 | bucky | doom3 is about a gig by itself |
| 06:57.45 | Schiz0 | lol, i ran doom 3 on 512 megs before |
| 06:57.48 | streuner | jetx: talking about fluxcrap: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?themes/sid/aleczapka_digitalshe.jpg |
| 06:57.48 | helix | shriek, and it wants to install like 500 other things |
| 06:57.49 | helix | :((( |
| 06:57.57 | cyx | bucky: man but these next gen games are going to require more and more |
| 06:58.01 | Schiz0 | it lagged lol |
| 06:58.01 | zignig | helix: like the webcam on the coffee at mit. |
| 06:58.04 | cyx | it's just inevitable |
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| 06:58.10 | jetx | streuner: it's been a while since i ran flux |
| 06:58.17 | jetx | it's cool though |
| 06:58.41 | bucky | cyx, which kernel and which nvidia drivers are you using? |
| 06:58.44 | jetx | running games in a ramdisk is the way to go |
| 06:58.46 | zhuyb | schiz0,even "shutdown -h -P now" doesn't work.I'v try it. |
| 06:58.55 | Schiz0 | what happens? |
| 06:59.00 | cyx | bucky: oh i have an ati card |
| 06:59.11 | cyx | i dont game on my deb box anyway |
| 06:59.21 | Schiz0 | who games on linux? |
| 06:59.24 | kaplanfx | I just got a 6600GT on wednesday |
| 06:59.24 | zhuyb | schiz0,just not shut off power |
| 06:59.29 | kaplanfx | kinda useless on linux |
| 06:59.32 | jetx | i used to, been a while |
| 06:59.33 | cyx | yeah i agree |
| 06:59.45 | mud | enemy territory all the way |
| 06:59.45 | cyx | for everything else, it's cool though |
| 06:59.46 | jetx | id is penguin friendly |
| 06:59.46 | kaplanfx | my other card died, and the geek in me would not allow my brain to buy a cheaper card |
| 06:59.53 | bucky | i liked it.. doom3 is different in linux.. different game |
| 06:59.57 | Schiz0 | zhuyb- i guess its a laptop issue...i dunno what else to do sorry :-\ |
| 07:00.04 | cyx | bucky: yeah i felt the same way about ut2k3 |
| 07:00.12 | jetx | yeah i pwned much more under linux than win |
| 07:00.15 | cyx | i had played that on both |
| 07:00.16 | kaplanfx | that and I have a 1600x1200 lcd panel, and for the few games I play I gotta run native resolution :) |
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| 07:00.32 | cyx | lcd's suck and are expensive and they suck |
| 07:00.38 | cyx | you need a huge ass CRT for gaming :) |
| 07:00.39 | kaplanfx | cyx: nah |
| 07:00.42 | jetx | but are nice and thin |
| 07:00.45 | cyx | it's big, it's dumb, it's cheap, it does the job |
| 07:00.49 | kaplanfx | cyx: I have a 20 LCD, its nice |
| 07:00.59 | kaplanfx | it was 500 bills |
| 07:00.59 | cyx | yeah it leaves radiation burns on the wall but who lugs their monitor around with them |
| 07:00.59 | jetx | thin is good |
| 07:01.11 | kaplanfx | dvi is good |
| 07:01.12 | streuner | jetx: why don't you run it anymore then? |
| 07:01.20 | kaplanfx | do any crt's have dvi? |
| 07:01.22 | cyx | jetx: take that back |
| 07:01.22 | cyx | lol |
| 07:01.27 | mud | kaplanfx: hows the 6600gt? thinking of getting one |
| 07:01.31 | Schiz0 | how do you mount .iso's? |
| 07:01.35 | jetx | i like icewm atm streuner |
| 07:01.39 | kaplanfx | mud: as far as I can tell its damn sweet |
| 07:01.51 | cyx | no but really why would you want dvi |
| 07:01.54 | streuner | jetx: i switch usually to |
| 07:02.00 | cyx | i mean my card has dvi output but i never used it |
| 07:02.05 | kaplanfx | mud: runs enemy territory and warcraft 3 at 1600x1200 with all the settings turned way up |
| 07:02.22 | kaplanfx | mud: plus its actually quiter than my geforce4 ti was and seems to run cooler |
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| 07:02.26 | zignig | kaplanfx: that's what you need 2gig for ? |
| 07:02.36 | kaplanfx | zignig: I don't have 2 gig |
| 07:02.37 | streuner | Schiz0: mount -o loop /where_is_the_iso /to_that_dir |
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| 07:02.39 | zhuyb | is there any way to shut off power of my laptop?excepting pressing power button. |
| 07:02.41 | kaplanfx | just 1 gig :( |
| 07:02.44 | hcy | how do I echo something to the syslog? |
| 07:02.47 | mud | kaplanfx: sweet im there im runn a radeon 9600 and it lags |
| 07:02.49 | Schiz0 | streuner- thanks |
| 07:02.53 | zignig | kaplanfx: ohhh , poor little doodums ;P |
| 07:03.06 | hcy | just echo foo >> /var/log/syslog ? |
| 07:03.08 | kaplanfx | mud: thats what my laptop im ordering is going to have |
| 07:03.21 | kaplanfx | mud: ibm t42, thats the best card it comes with |
| 07:03.22 | cyx | ok but maybe xbox live spoiled me but i'm used to not only playing against people online but also bitching them out with voice and i dont think there are many gamer voice chat software avail for linux |
| 07:03.48 | zignig | cyx: use voip. |
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| 07:03.51 | cyx | it really does enhance a frag session |
| 07:03.58 | mud | kaplanfx: i can play enemy territory 800x600 or really slow |
| 07:03.58 | helix | cyx: how old are you? |
| 07:04.05 | kaplanfx | mud: damn |
| 07:04.08 | cyx | especially if you pick fights with europeans because they're english gets worse the more angry they get |
| 07:04.15 | cyx | helix: 16 why |
| 07:04.19 | zignig | helix: bleh! |
| 07:04.19 | helix | figured |
| 07:04.20 | kaplanfx | mud: I dunno what the framerate was like, but I turned everything all the way up and it was smooth |
| 07:04.22 | helix | hey zignig :) |
| 07:04.33 | cyx | what's that supposed to mean helix |
| 07:04.39 | zignig | helix: how is you Spirallyness ? |
| 07:04.39 | helix | cyx: that you're immature :) |
| 07:04.46 | cyx | lol |
| 07:04.51 | helix | zignig: good, you? |
| 07:04.53 | bucky | at least he knows his way around debian |
| 07:04.55 | cyx | helix: why am i immature |
| 07:05.07 | zignig | helix: not bad , hanging out on the perfect Sunday. ;) |
| 07:05.10 | mud | kaplanfx: i get over 2000fps in glx gears |
| 07:05.10 | jetx | no, I am immature |
| 07:05.11 | kaplanfx | mud: I have a decent system though, p4 3.0, 7200rmp HD with 8mb cache, 1gig ram |
| 07:05.12 | jetx | ! |
| 07:05.24 | kaplanfx | mud: how do I make glx gears run full screen? |
| 07:05.29 | helix | ugh, kde |
| 07:05.30 | helix | stab |
| 07:05.32 | kaplanfx | mud: er at other resolutions |
| 07:05.35 | helix | cyx: because you are young |
| 07:05.37 | helix | I guess |
| 07:05.37 | kaplanfx | it always is really small for me |
| 07:05.38 | jetx | alt+enter maybe |
| 07:05.45 | helix | "Could not read network connection list." |
| 07:05.48 | helix | screw you, kteatime |
| 07:05.57 | mud | kaplanfx: thats the diff i have amd 2500 : dont know with glxgears |
| 07:05.58 | kaplanfx | helix: wut, how dare you? |
| 07:06.04 | helix | kaplanfx: it won't work >:( |
| 07:06.08 | cyx | great observation |
| 07:06.09 | kaplanfx | helix: weird |
| 07:06.39 | hcy | echo foo >> /var/log/syslog works, but I see the "foo" only when I cat the syslog, not in the terminal that I'm tailing it in. why's that? |
| 07:06.54 | helix | it does work though, it just yells on startup |
| 07:06.56 | kaplanfx | helix: there are only three settings anyhow, earl grey, black, and fruit tea. plus you can put a custom time in |
| 07:07.05 | helix | hrm |
| 07:07.12 | kaplanfx | helix: also the icon sucks :( |
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| 07:07.37 | kaplanfx | helix: ever use kodo, the mouse odometer? |
| 07:07.42 | helix | kaplanfx: no |
| 07:07.49 | Schiz0 | mouse odometers are so cool |
| 07:07.50 | helix | I don't really use 'games' and such |
| 07:07.54 | Schiz0 | i had one for my winbox once |
| 07:08.07 | helix | I also apparently don't have much kde stuff installed |
| 07:08.07 | cyx | "games" and such |
| 07:08.08 | cyx | lol |
| 07:08.10 | Schiz0 | i think i got up to like 2 miles, then i unisntalled it |
| 07:08.19 | kaplanfx | helix: oh, its not a game, you should be changing your mouse every 250,000 inches it moves ;) |
| 07:08.21 | helix | cyx: well, I don't know of kteatime could be called a game, really |
| 07:08.28 | helix | kaplanfx: ah :) |
| 07:08.31 | helix | s/of/if/ |
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| 07:08.42 | cyx | yeah those dern kiddies and der games, bah.. i'm going back to strace'ing this coredump |
| 07:09.47 | kaplanfx | helix: try amor |
| 07:09.57 | helix | I tried amor a long time ago |
| 07:10.01 | helix | I doubt it's gotten less stupid :) |
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| 07:10.12 | simonrvn | i'm sure it hasn't |
| 07:10.16 | tchino | i hvae upgrade my debian sarge, i can't login over kde, what is the reason |
| 07:10.23 | cyx | you guys ever heard of a tv show called screensavers or attack of the show? |
| 07:10.24 | streuner | haha |
| 07:10.30 | helix | I can't believe fruit tea has to steep for 8 minutes |
| 07:10.49 | simonrvn | helix: does it have roots in it, or dried peel? |
| 07:11.02 | zignig | helix: always steep tea. |
| 07:11.05 | helix | simonrvn: I don't know. it's not obvious to me whether this is high class or low class tea |
| 07:11.08 | simonrvn | leafy stuff not very long |
| 07:11.34 | simonrvn | roots, and other things should be decocted, really (long steeping basically) |
| 07:11.50 | jetx | my god man! |
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| 07:11.54 | simonrvn | but sometimes you gotta cool it afterwards |
| 07:12.13 | zhuyb | quit |
| 07:12.16 | kaplanfx | helix: 3 minutes maybe? |
| 07:12.20 | helix | kaplanfx: maybe |
| 07:12.21 | jetx | why |
| 07:12.24 | mud | lol |
| 07:12.39 | infinity_ | what types of errors in /var/log/XFree86.log cause it to hang? |
| 07:12.39 | helix | maybe 4, just to have it in between black and earl grey :) |
| 07:12.46 | kaplanfx | hehe |
| 07:13.03 | jetx | usually on a fresh install infinity_ , lack of mousedev |
| 07:13.14 | infinity_ | jetx: mousedev? |
| 07:13.17 | streuner | ubfubuty: EE? |
| 07:13.18 | jetx | and/or vid stuff |
| 07:13.26 | jetx | !xwontstart |
| 07:13.26 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 07:13.32 | streuner | infinity_: EE |
| 07:13.42 | helix | heh, ubfubuty |
| 07:13.44 | infinity_ | jetx: i can see video, a background, and i can move the mouse, but the desktop never comes up |
| 07:13.50 | jetx | ahh |
| 07:13.52 | streuner | infinity_: just tell us what videocard you have |
| 07:14.15 | jetx | infinity_: what are you using and how did you install it |
| 07:14.15 | infinity_ | streuner: is it a video thing based on what my last msg said |
| 07:14.20 | streuner | helix: one of my hands were in the wrong place of the keyboard... |
| 07:14.21 | jetx | gnome, kde, blah... |
| 07:14.26 | helix | streuner: yeah, I know :) |
| 07:14.30 | infinity_ | jetx: um ..x-system-core or whatever. |
| 07:14.31 | jetx | an did it work before |
| 07:14.55 | infinity_ | jetx: it worked once upon a time, i tired to fix it, and really, its been so long since it worked, i don't remember what the heck |
| 07:15.01 | infinity_ | its a radeon |
| 07:15.03 | jetx | try apt-get install x-window-system and see if it pulls anything in |
| 07:15.09 | jetx | ah |
| 07:15.17 | hcy | "echo foo >> /var/log/syslog". If I do "cat /var/log/syslog", I'll see "foo" at the end. But in another window I have a "tail -f /var/log/syslog" going, but it doesn't show up when I do the echo. Why's that? |
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| 07:15.26 | simonrvn | 'ubfubuty' ? haha |
| 07:15.31 | infinity_ | jetx: says its the newest version |
| 07:15.37 | jetx | k |
| 07:15.38 | infinity_ | jetx: testing btw |
| 07:15.39 | simonrvn | funniest typo i've seen |
| 07:16.03 | jetx | infinity_: do you get the xdm login screen? |
| 07:16.10 | infinity_ | jetx: yea. |
| 07:16.12 | jetx | and you log in? |
| 07:16.23 | infinity_ | jetx: I can login, see the background image, and move the mouse. |
| 07:16.25 | jetx | so you have twm probably |
| 07:16.25 | infinity_ | jetx: thats all |
| 07:16.31 | jetx | try right clicking |
| 07:16.36 | cyx | kaplanfx: yo, check u out later, thanks for the help |
| 07:16.52 | jetx | infinity_: sounds like it's working :) |
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| 07:17.11 | jetx | try apt-get install gnome or kde or something |
| 07:17.17 | streuner | simonrvn: the right hand one step to the left and type infinity ;-) |
| 07:17.19 | infinity_ | jetx: shit! it is working. |
| 07:17.27 | infinity_ | jetx: its some OLD school window manager |
| 07:17.30 | simonrvn | streuner: yeh, i figured it was that :) |
| 07:17.36 | simonrvn | @streuner++ |
| 07:17.51 | jetx | infinity_: yeah. so gnome or kde or fluxbox or E or fwvm or xfce or somelthing |
| 07:17.53 | faaeri | has anyone had experience with the rear surround of a turtle beach santa cruz and alsa ? currently, only the front speakers work. |
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| 07:18.05 | tchino | what problem has the upgrade-kde in login |
| 07:18.08 | infinity_ | jetx: what do you recommend? |
| 07:18.59 | jetx | infinity_: they all work, the gnome and kde metapackages pull in a LOT of stuff you probably don't want, but a lesser install of either is nice.. i personally use icewm, xfce4 is popular and so is fluxbox |
| 07:19.16 | jetx | infinity_: so it's up to you |
| 07:19.34 | simonrvn | tchino: bts, read your logs. did you bother to look at what your system told you ? (log files, dmesg output, etc.) |
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| 07:20.01 | infinity_ | jetx: any websites the have pros/cons of each? |
| 07:20.26 | infinity_ | jetx: s/the/that/ |
| 07:20.45 | jetx | infinity_: not sure, probably somewhere.. google. |
| 07:21.09 | jetx | http://www.google.com/linux?q=desktop+comparison&restrict=linux |
| 07:21.16 | hcy | please, how do I send my own message to the syslog? |
| 07:21.40 | jetx | why do you want to send a msg to syslog, are you sys? |
| 07:21.47 | infinity_ | hcy: logger i thing |
| 07:21.49 | Schiz0 | /msg syslog message |
| 07:21.51 | hcy | sure, call me sys :) |
| 07:21.51 | Schiz0 | heh |
| 07:21.58 | Schiz0 | sry, i felt like being a idiot :-x |
| 07:22.03 | hcy | infinity_: thanks |
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| 07:23.50 | damo1 | any user of gkrellm? |
| 07:24.01 | streuner | damo1: just ask |
| 07:24.16 | damo1 | with mbon? |
| 07:24.24 | damo1 | sorry, mbmon |
| 07:24.27 | streuner | no, not then ;-) |
| 07:24.49 | damo1 | anyone else besides streuner? |
| 07:24.50 | streuner | damo1: i read yesterday its supported |
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| 07:25.02 | streuner | in gkrellm configuration |
| 07:25.15 | damo1 | i want to get them to work. |
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| 07:25.27 | streuner | damo1: just use lm-sensors |
| 07:25.46 | damo1 | no, mbmon suits my intel motherboard |
| 07:25.53 | streuner | ic |
| 07:25.58 | hcy | infinity_: thanks, that's what i wanted |
| 07:26.06 | damo1 | i have tried lm-sensors, troublesome |
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| 07:27.06 | damo1 | no user of mbmon? |
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| 07:27.57 | infinity_ | what the diff btw desktops and 'window managers' |
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| 07:28.53 | simonrvn | wm just manages the windows. hence, the name. desktop includes icons on the background, and various other gadgets |
| 07:29.01 | SuperNull | they are spelled totaly differently.. |
| 07:29.10 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:29.12 | delyan | i need help with the rear surround of a turtle beach santa cruz and alsa. currently, only the front speakers work |
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| 07:29.19 | infinity_ | simonrvn: so you only need a window manager, you don't need a desktop? |
| 07:29.25 | simonrvn | delyan: just ask already |
| 07:29.28 | helix | hrm, does anyone know if it's possible to run multiple different wikis on one moin install? |
| 07:29.38 | simonrvn | infinity_: bare bones, sure |
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| 07:30.22 | Schiz0 | infinity_- an example, xserver/xfree86 is window managers, kde and gnome are desktop enviroments |
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| 07:30.27 | infinity_ | simonrvn: so if i was to use icewm what desktop would i use? |
| 07:30.39 | delyan | simonrvn: when noone answers i should just give up ? |
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| 07:30.43 | simonrvn | it has its own stuff |
| 07:30.53 | simonrvn | delyan: i didn't say that |
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| 07:30.55 | infinity_ | Schiz0: i think xf86 is an X server and fvwm is a window manager |
| 07:30.56 | rafx | icewm is nice, very lean |
| 07:30.59 | simonrvn | @tell delyan -about ask |
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| 07:31.59 | simonrvn | infinity_: a lot of folks that run icewm, run it on its own |
| 07:32.00 | streuner_ | helix: i don't know that :-) |
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| 07:32.17 | infinity_ | hm |
| 07:32.18 | delyan | simonrvn: let's cool off, i am also a volunteer and i am trying to get my stuff done. no need to get offensive right? :-) |
| 07:32.26 | stouse1 | oooh, sarge freeze is imminent |
| 07:32.37 | jetx | i prefer icewm-gnome, it gives better font |
| 07:32.39 | simonrvn | delyan: i wasn't being offensive |
| 07:32.46 | infinity_ | i see. kde = kwin and gnome = sawfish ...well, sorta |
| 07:33.00 | cheal | stouse1: are there news about it or just 2005-04-02's update? |
| 07:33.01 | jetx | gnome is metacity mostly, nowadays |
| 07:33.06 | simonrvn | and i *was* totally cool, until you accused me of something i wasn't |
| 07:33.08 | stouse1 | infinity_: gnome = metacity |
| 07:33.08 | jetx | used to be sawfish |
| 07:33.13 | jetx | are you in woody? |
| 07:33.21 | jetx | in woody it's sawfish i 'think' |
| 07:33.21 | infinity_ | jetx: testing |
| 07:33.36 | jetx | ah yeah you said that |
| 07:33.36 | Schiz0 | WTH! |
| 07:33.40 | jetx | typed, whatever |
| 07:33.45 | Schiz0 | the nick root is banned on this other network |
| 07:33.46 | rafx | wish sarge could get syslog-ng 1.6.7 before release. that package isn't getting updated with new upstream versions for some reason |
| 07:33.49 | infinity_ | jetx: i'm just reading from linuxworld. i'm trying to figure this stuff out. |
| 07:33.49 | Schiz0 | and root is my bots name :'( |
| 07:34.01 | stouset | cheal: just 20050402 update |
| 07:34.05 | simonrvn | dumb name |
| 07:34.23 | Schiz0 | whats a good name then? |
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| 07:34.33 | simonrvn | anything but 'root' |
| 07:34.33 | infinity_ | is metacity complely different than sawfish or was it renamed? |
| 07:34.36 | stouset | rafx: what's new in 1.6.7 |
| 07:34.41 | jetx | diff |
| 07:34.44 | stouset | infinity_: completely different |
| 07:34.54 | jetx | you can also use sawfish |
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| 07:35.15 | rafx | stouset: both 1.6.6 and 1.6.7 are bugfixes only. things like memory and fd leaks |
| 07:35.22 | delyan | simonrvn: i did not accuse you. please dont misunderstand me hehe :-) |
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| 07:36.42 | infinity_ | jeez. i don't think i have time to try all these diff window managers |
| 07:36.44 | infinity_ | wow |
| 07:36.53 | Schiz0 | infinity_- |
| 07:36.58 | Schiz0 | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 07:37.07 | Schiz0 | apt-get install kde |
| 07:37.08 | Schiz0 | done. |
| 07:37.14 | infinity_ | heh |
| 07:37.22 | infinity_ | 200 + megs and i'd be done. |
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| 07:37.56 | Schiz0 | yep, i must of did it at least 3 times in the past 24 hours, i couldn't get the install perfect the way i wanted so i kept doing it over heh |
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| 07:38.53 | Schiz0 | or |
| 07:38.54 | Schiz0 | infinity_- |
| 07:38.57 | Schiz0 | run tasksel |
| 07:39.04 | Schiz0 | and that'll install stuff. |
| 07:39.09 | Schiz0 | a desktop envirment |
| 07:39.20 | Schiz0 | its gnome by default, if you want that instead of kde |
| 07:39.22 | loren | i've gotta go to sleep, cya all later |
| 07:39.26 | Schiz0 | later loren |
| 07:40.02 | cheal | Schiz0: Desktop environment installs both |
| 07:40.19 | Schiz0 | hm, i thought it was gnome. |
| 07:41.01 | az[a]zel | oh my god the labor party have just jumped the shark |
| 07:41.17 | cheal | Schiz0: tasksel --task-packages desktop |
| 07:41.23 | az[a]zel | they want eddie mcguire to run, what. the. hell. |
| 07:41.26 | jetx | jumped the shark? |
| 07:41.57 | jetx | actually tasksel desktop option installs both gnome and kde in sarge |
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| 07:42.15 | Erpo | jetx: Jumped the shark means reached its peak and started its decline. |
| 07:42.34 | az[a]zel | jetx, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark |
| 07:42.42 | stouset | No Debian weekly news last week? |
| 07:42.46 | jetx | heh... ok |
| 07:42.56 | jetx | new one to me |
| 07:43.05 | az[a]zel | and by labor party, i mean the .au labor party... oh we are so f***** |
| 07:43.13 | jcook | what's the command to install a debian-kernel-module against an installed kernel-headers ? |
| 07:43.32 | jetx | don't you mean that the other way around? |
| 07:43.43 | streuner | jcook: debian-kernel-module? |
| 07:43.51 | jetx | or do i even understand the question |
| 07:43.56 | stouset | jcook: I'm sure there's an easier way, but I use cd /usr/src/modules/<module>; debian/rules binary-modules KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-version KVERS=version |
| 07:43.58 | streuner | jcook: you just use them via modprobe? |
| 07:44.19 | jcook | your all mad ... it's somethinkg like kpkg or something |
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| 07:44.28 | cheal | jcook: module-assistant?? |
| 07:44.30 | stouset | make-kpkg modules-install |
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| 07:44.44 | jcook | stouset: tah |
| 07:45.47 | jetx | my best client brought his kid bck to live with him(long story)... and even though he promised me he wasn't going to let her on his computer, he did.... windows+kids==good money for repair guy :) |
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| 07:46.50 | streuner | jetx: you shouldn't using debian that much then ;-) |
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| 07:47.39 | jetx | i wanna figure out that xp remote control stuff, he has xp home and it can't join my w2k domain dammit |
| 07:49.35 | stouset | XP Home doesn't have support for domains. |
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| 07:49.39 | stouset | That only comes in XP Pro. |
| 07:50.10 | jetx | yeah i noticed :( |
| 07:50.20 | tag | I really need to fix this |
| 07:50.22 | tag | wtf |
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| 07:56.06 | streuner | !tell tag about ask |
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| 07:56.47 | tag | My log says swesh01 postfix/error[18013]: 0B513178283: to=<newser@pokerjunkie.com>, relay=none, delay=0, status=bounced (User unknown in virtual alias table)....YET! postmap -q newser@pokerjunkie.com `grep virtual_alias main.cf | cut -d= -f2` gives me 'newser' and postalias -q newser `grep alias_map main.cf | cut -d= -f2` gives me |/www/pokerjunkie.com/newser |
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| 07:57.52 | streuner | tag: #postfix |
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| 07:58.10 | tag | heh |
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| 08:03.02 | _joey | which switch to apt do I use to get verbose info about the package? |
| 08:03.21 | streuner | apt-cache show package |
| 08:03.27 | _joey | thanks |
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| 08:03.29 | netman1 | _joey: apt-cache show packagename |
| 08:03.52 | cat | damn i can't sleep |
| 08:04.06 | streuner | cat: a beer might help |
| 08:04.23 | cat | lol i wish i had one, with lemon, but i don't have one tonight though |
| 08:04.25 | cat | suc\ |
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| 08:07.08 | renegad3 | how can I completely remove a package off the system? do I just use 'dpkg -e "package"' |
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| 08:07.31 | streuner | renegad3: option --purge |
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| 08:07.40 | pi_ | okay, who's here? |
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| 08:07.48 | streuner | pi_: nobody? |
| 08:07.49 | pi_ | I installed some apache stuff.. |
| 08:07.56 | pi_ | and now I've got apache and apache2 |
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| 08:08.16 | streuner | pi_: in /etc/? |
| 08:08.17 | pi_ | and when I install modules that I want for apache-ssl, the modules end up in /usr/lib/apache2/modules |
| 08:08.23 | renegad3 | yes soz that was switch -r |
| 08:08.28 | renegad3 | ahh ok ta |
| 08:08.33 | pi_ | how do I get rid of apache2 ? |
| 08:08.40 | pi_ | I dont want to use it. |
| 08:08.44 | renegad3 | streuner, ive tried that, but when I re-install it does the same thing |
| 08:08.47 | pi_ | and I want to install the php4 module for apache-ssl |
| 08:09.18 | renegad3 | aight I will try again |
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| 08:09.26 | streuner | renegad3: what package is that? |
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| 08:09.37 | pi_ | anyone? |
| 08:10.32 | netman1 | pi_: apt-get remove apache2 |
| 08:10.54 | pi_ | it says apache2 not install so not removed. |
| 08:11.04 | pi_ | but i've got an apache2ctl, etc, etc. |
| 08:11.04 | renegad3 | streuner, its enlightenment |
| 08:11.09 | polok | what's the binary that starts gnome? |
| 08:11.24 | streuner | !depends apache-common |
| 08:11.25 | dpkg | apache-common: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), perl (>= 5.8.4-2), mime-support, debconf (>= 1.4.22), apache2-utils, sed (>= 4.0.5-1), ucf (>= 1.06), lynx | www-browser |
| 08:11.27 | netman1 | polok: /etc/initd.d/gdm |
| 08:11.31 | polok | thanks |
| 08:11.41 | ledet | pi_: dpkg --get-selections |grep apache2 |
| 08:11.47 | renegad3 | streuner, what ive done now is what you said, purged the configs, but I now have also remove e from my home dir |
| 08:11.52 | renegad3 | I will see how I go |
| 08:11.53 | renegad3 | brb |
| 08:12.35 | polok | netman1: how would I change it so gdm is the default display manager? |
| 08:12.53 | pi_ | ledet, so I have to leave apache2-utils in place if I want to keep apache working? |
| 08:12.57 | streuner | polok: apt-get install gdm? |
| 08:13.02 | polok | I have it |
| 08:13.08 | netman1 | polok: look at update-alternatives |
| 08:13.11 | streuner | ok, its your default then |
| 08:13.24 | polok | but it's not starting it because it's not the default dm |
| 08:13.32 | polok | ok thanks |
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| 08:14.22 | streuner | polok: in the gdm configuration menu debian ask you some questions, you could re-ran that with dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 08:16.37 | polok | streuner: that's what I did |
| 08:16.43 | polok | thanks :D |
| 08:17.00 | polok | I just noticed you said it after I did it. :D |
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| 08:19.30 | polok | ok maybe not use gnome then erk |
| 08:19.53 | polok | anyone know of any lightweight but nice wms (basically what's your favourite) |
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| 08:23.34 | Skaag | anyone knows if postgres 8.0 has debian packages? (I already looked in apt-get.org, it's not there) |
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| 08:25.09 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 08:25.48 | Schiz0 | Skaag- to search: apt-cache search blah |
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| 08:27.41 | dragonkh | hello im stuck with a kernel compile - I get an segmentation fault at waht seems random places each time I run make |
| 08:28.10 | dragonkh | is there a problem with my install ? shjall I reinstall ? |
| 08:28.16 | dragonkh | or is it a gcc problem |
| 08:28.17 | netman1 | dragonkh: check hardwarde? |
| 08:28.23 | dragonkh | I have gcc 3.3.5 |
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| 08:28.33 | dragonkh | netman1, how do I check the hardware ? |
| 08:28.40 | jhair | dragonkh, already checked this? http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 08:28.56 | simonrvn | dragonkh: bad mem is likely |
| 08:29.00 | dragonkh | nope looking now |
| 08:29.02 | netman1 | dragonkh: memtest, fdisk? |
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| 08:29.55 | simonrvn | gcc is hard on RAM, if the ram is bad, gcc will segfault |
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| 08:30.24 | simonrvn | well, not hard, just ram intensive |
| 08:30.36 | dragonkh | hmm |
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| 08:31.02 | zorton | phew |
| 08:31.16 | zorton | i've literaly spent the last couple of hours trying to get this silly svgalib progrram to work |
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| 08:31.34 | zorton | i'm starting to really hate svgalib, either that or this program is a terrible example of an svgalib program |
| 08:31.34 | dragonkh | so maybe its the ram |
| 08:31.52 | ygnome | how do I get my nautilus windows to auto-update in gnome? At the moment, I have to Ctrl-R to see the changes... |
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| 08:33.03 | liable | dragonkh: maybe run memtest and see what it says |
| 08:33.10 | dragonkh | ok |
| 08:33.32 | sTone_heAd | ygnome, afaik, it should do by default, at least >2.4, anyway check if you are running famd |
| 08:33.44 | dragonkh | liable, I apt-got memtest86 |
| 08:33.52 | dragonkh | liable, where is the command - I cant find it |
| 08:34.06 | netman1 | dragonkh: dpkg -L memtest86 |
| 08:34.11 | Vince34 | hi all...does anyone have trouble today to check yahoo mail with gkrellm or others ? i'd like to know if it's a problem on my comp or a yahoo prob.... |
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| 08:34.36 | Grant | Hey Guys :) |
| 08:34.48 | Grant | Does anyone know if there is a .deb package for AVAST virus scanner :) |
| 08:34.53 | simonrvn | dragonkh: i'd run memtest at boot time, with something like init=/path/to/memtest86 (probably /sbin) |
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| 08:35.06 | liable | dragonkh: dunno have only run it from cd, look at the man page or docs |
| 08:35.08 | ygnome | sTone_heAd: hmm. Well, it doesn't. I can't find famd in ps either. What's the package called? |
| 08:35.14 | dragonkh | /boot/memtest86.bin |
| 08:35.15 | simonrvn | Grant: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:35.23 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:35.24 | dragonkh | is that it ? |
| 08:35.38 | Grant | simonrvn - no responding :( |
| 08:35.42 | simonrvn | yeh probably |
| 08:35.57 | simonrvn | Grant: oh, it's still down? i thought it was back up |
| 08:35.59 | MobyTurbo | dragonkh: it probably has added itself to your grub or lilo menu, memtest86 is run at boot-time. |
| 08:36.03 | streuner_ | i wanna use a gif image as background using 'wmsetbg', but it shows it totally different if i use gqview, how can i solve this? |
| 08:36.10 | simonrvn | Grant: try www.debian.org/packages/ |
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| 08:36.32 | streuner_ | converting to jpg didn't help either |
| 08:36.53 | Grant | simonrvn LOL: that didnt work either :P |
| 08:37.15 | simonrvn | !find avast |
| 08:37.20 | streuner_ | !didn't work |
| 08:37.20 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 08:37.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'avast' (2): (/usr/share/games/ppracer/courses/themes/terrains/lava/lavastone.png) in games/planetpenguin-racer-data ;; (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/JavaStation-HOWTO/javastationboot-bootyourjavastationchapter.html) in non-free/doc/doc-linux-nonfree-html. |
| 08:37.28 | dragonkh | MobyTurbo, its not added itself - but I'll reboot aee if it happens automatically |
| 08:37.41 | simonrvn | doesn't look like it. probably its licence |
| 08:37.51 | simonrvn | ...or no-one packaged it |
| 08:38.07 | MobyTurbo | dragonkh: then add it yourself |
| 08:38.29 | usn | hi all |
| 08:38.32 | Grant | bah :( |
| 08:38.41 | Grant | Thanks anyway simon looks like i ahve to install the source :( |
| 08:38.41 | Grant | lol |
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| 08:39.18 | simonrvn | Grant: www.debian.org/devel/ to see how to make a .deb |
| 08:40.24 | Grant | lol i dont want to make a .deb |
| 08:40.55 | streuner_ | Is there a way to use root-tail to show me my logs from my server into my desktop-system? |
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| 08:41.31 | ygnome | sTone_heAd: thanks mate. I didn't have fam installed for some reason. all fixed :) |
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| 08:41.38 | zignig | streuner_: ssh on to the box , the tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 08:41.42 | infinity_ | streuner_: ssh root@system tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 08:41.42 | project9 | how to find file without case (find -i ? ) |
| 08:41.45 | simonrvn | streuner_: yes |
| 08:42.03 | netman1 | project9: find / | grep -i string |
| 08:42.04 | streuner_ | simonrvn: ok, what should i use? |
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| 08:42.18 | simonrvn | what zignig said. ssh |
| 08:42.23 | project9 | thanks |
| 08:42.24 | paulswm | Morning all |
| 08:42.31 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 08:42.36 | McCabe | anyone know if you need to do anything special to get openoffice.org-kde to work? just apt-getting didnt seeem to be enough.. |
| 08:42.37 | simonrvn | hi paulswm |
| 08:42.47 | streuner_ | !lart simonrvn |
| 08:42.57 | pientra | i have installed the samba but smbmount isn't there, how come? |
| 08:43.00 | paulswm | Hey simonrvn, happy Sunday ;) |
| 08:43.03 | pientra | the samba package* |
| 08:43.06 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 08:43.08 | delyan | McCabe: have you tried koffice ? |
| 08:43.18 | Active2 | good plan |
| 08:43.30 | streuner_ | !depends root-tail |
| 08:43.36 | dpkg | root-tail: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0) |
| 08:43.44 | streuner_ | argh |
| 08:43.48 | McCabe | delyan: i want to use oo for maximum compatibility with windows oo.. |
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| 08:44.25 | McCabe | delyan: of course, i dont know that much about koffice and its ability to intercahnge files with oo |
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| 08:46.24 | streuner_ | simonrvn, zignig, infinity: thanks |
| 08:46.36 | Mash | hello |
| 08:47.06 | cheal | pientra: you need smbfs |
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| 08:47.16 | delyan | McCabe: did you try installing openoffice.org not only openoffice.org-kde ? this should not matter though since one depends on the other |
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| 08:47.58 | project9 | whilw try to find file =-=== got errot===find: . changed during execution of find |
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| 08:48.23 | project9 | while |
| 08:48.57 | pientra | cheal: i actually just figured that out.. i have been a gentoo user too long because in the samba package everything is included |
| 08:49.27 | cheal | pientra: in debian you can use apt-file to figure that out by yourself |
| 08:50.04 | pientra | cheal: cool, i didn't know that.. i have only used debian for a week now, so |
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| 08:50.44 | epicenter | Why would I get the error, "The setup program seems to have failed on x86_64/glibc-2.0 |
| 08:50.44 | epicenter | " from an installer? I have the latest glibc as far as I know. |
| 08:51.20 | streuner_ | epicenter: did you verify the iso? |
| 08:51.27 | epicenter | the ISO? |
| 08:51.35 | epicenter | the country coding; you mean? |
| 08:52.00 | streuner_ | epicenter: what's the problem? |
| 08:52.11 | liable | I keep getting dropped packet lines popping up in irssi? any thoughts |
| 08:52.14 | epicenter | It doesn't execute. |
| 08:52.18 | epicenter | The installer quits with that message |
| 08:52.22 | epicenter | The actual program is Quake 3. |
| 08:52.31 | epicenter | It insists I use this moronic installer when I could just get a damned binary and .so's .. |
| 08:52.34 | streuner_ | oh |
| 08:52.58 | dragonkh | hmm memtest86 takes ages to run |
| 08:53.03 | dragonkh | it looks like it will take an hour ! |
| 08:53.33 | streuner_ | dragonkh: some people say you should run that at night... |
| 08:54.02 | paulswm | dragonkh: Yes, memory testers necessarily take a very long time, and are not always reliable |
| 08:54.06 | dragonkh | streuner_, well I need to know if my mem or disk is faulty so I can go buy new stuff in the next few hous |
| 08:54.23 | streuner_ | dragonkh: so run it at night |
| 08:54.26 | dragonkh | the kenrel compile segfaults at random places - sounds like mem to me |
| 08:54.29 | McCabe | delyan: i've isntalled openoffice.org and -kde, oowriter for example works, but without the kde filedialog |
| 08:54.35 | dragonkh | I need to buy stuff in the next 2 hours |
| 08:54.44 | streuner_ | no way |
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| 08:55.02 | dragonkh | well I might just assume its the mem and buy more mem then |
| 08:55.07 | dragonkh | how likely is it to be disk |
| 08:55.08 | McCabe | delyan: it's really only the file dialog i care about.. icons etc doesent matter to me |
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| 08:55.33 | cheal | dragonkh: hehe, that's an argument :) |
| 08:55.38 | paulswm | dragonkh: Yes it does sound like memory, and here is a good reference on segfaults: http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 08:55.49 | cheal | if it's not, you'll send us the extra mem, right? :-P |
| 08:56.03 | simonrvn | dragonkh: you run memtest overnight usually |
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| 08:57.24 | dragonkh | heeh |
| 08:57.32 | paulswm | dragonkh: I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago, hard to find becuase it was in the second of two 512MB sticks, but if I tied up the bottom 512MB qand ran a kernel compile, I could reproduce random kernel compile segfaults. Replaced it, all fine. |
| 08:57.34 | dragonkh | I know i should run memtest over night !! |
| 08:57.45 | dragonkh | but I have 2 hours to get this box working ! |
| 08:57.57 | dragonkh | so buying more mem seems like a good idea |
| 08:58.16 | streuner_ | more RAM doesn't hurd (TM) |
| 08:58.20 | simonrvn | so go get the ram sticks now, replace it all, then test the current ones later |
| 08:58.21 | epicenter | Why would I get the error, "The setup program seems to have failed on x86_64/glibc-2.0 |
| 08:58.21 | cheal | is there a command simpler than greping /var/lib/dpkg/available to find what provides a virtual package? |
| 08:58.22 | dragonkh | when it was running in windows it used ot blue screen alot |
| 08:58.25 | paulswm | dragonkh: I would bet $100 to $5 it's memory |
| 08:58.30 | epicenter | " from an installer? I have the latest glibc as far as I know. |
| 08:58.52 | dragonkh | hahah - I think its mem - the memtest stopped and crashed !! |
| 08:59.03 | dragonkh | the mechine powered down automatically |
| 08:59.04 | Grant | !dpkg avg |
| 08:59.07 | simonrvn | epicenter: doesn,t mean glibc is bad, means the installer failed to do something, probably due to the udeb puking |
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| 08:59.07 | paulswm | dragonkh: Are you overclocking your CPU speed or your FSB? |
| 08:59.08 | streuner_ | dragonkh: that's normals it has nothing to do with you RAM |
| 08:59.19 | streuner_ | s/normals/normal/ |
| 08:59.23 | dragonkh | whats normal ? |
| 08:59.30 | dragonkh | no overclockingno |
| 08:59.37 | streuner_ | windows blue screen? |
| 08:59.43 | simonrvn | hahaha |
| 08:59.52 | dragonkh | oh - but my memtest86 crashed |
| 08:59.56 | dragonkh | and the machine died |
| 08:59.59 | simonrvn | @bsod foo |
| 09:00.01 | dragonkh | so it looks like a mem problem ? |
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| 09:00.05 | simonrvn | !bsod foo |
| 09:00.09 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 09:00.19 | cheal | dragonkh: microsoft uses two logos, a windows-shaped one, and a blue one |
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| 09:00.50 | paulswm | dragonkh: It looks like a memory problem |
| 09:00.57 | simonrvn | the blue one means it's doing what it's supposed to be doing |
| 09:01.15 | dragonkh | excellent :) |
| 09:01.23 | cheal | yep, it's their certification |
| 09:01.53 | simonrvn | certified crap (TM) |
| 09:02.06 | liable | ABORTED IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=64.4.53.253 blah blah keeps coming up on my irssi screen, how the hell do I stop it, its driving me nuts |
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| 09:02.37 | simonrvn | liable: google for syslog iptables |
| 09:02.47 | paulswm | I've been running XP every day on two boxes since it was released, and have never had a BSOD or any problems actually |
| 09:03.22 | Grant | Good virus scanner for postfix? NOT clam its a piece of crape |
| 09:03.23 | cheal | yeah, XP is fine :) |
| 09:03.24 | Grant | :) |
| 09:03.49 | streuner_ | liable: try google with 'syslog messages in irc-client' |
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| 09:05.21 | gary | Guys, suddenly when i try to start linux using lilo, i select the option i want and press enter: It then errors straight away with: "Loading Linux EBDA is big; Kernel setup stack overlaps lilo second stage --------- Any ideas what's wrong here? |
| 09:05.48 | simonrvn | clamd is good actually. just have to run freshclam. needs updates like any other AV |
| 09:06.20 | liable | streuner_: ok Ill see what I can find |
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| 09:06.40 | simonrvn | won't find much i think |
| 09:06.42 | sgtbash|`way| | hi all |
| 09:06.49 | sgtbash|`way| | does anybody know how to install linux on an existing raid0 on Promise Fasttrack 378? |
| 09:07.42 | gary | How can i boot into rescue mode from the lilo prompt? |
| 09:08.02 | simonrvn | add ' single' |
| 09:08.52 | streuner_ | liable: try /msg dpkg syslog console |
| 09:08.52 | SuperNull | is there a default place that the kernel looks for modules that are in /etc/modules ? .. |
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| 09:09.26 | simonrvn | /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ |
| 09:10.04 | gary | simonrvn: was that reply for me? |
| 09:10.11 | SuperNull | nah.. i think me. |
| 09:10.15 | gary | ohhh |
| 09:10.17 | gary | :D |
| 09:10.23 | gary | I've broken debian again |
| 09:10.29 | gary | I don't know how though |
| 09:10.31 | simonrvn | gary: simonrvn ) add ' single' |
| 09:10.38 | simonrvn | SuperNull: simonrvn ) /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ |
| 09:10.55 | gary | ohhh |
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| 09:11.45 | liable | streuner_: thanks will give it a go |
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| 09:18.53 | thenuke_ | Heyh, I cant figure out how to use rdev to change initrd.img's root device to 0xec01 |
| 09:19.16 | thenuke_ | rdev initrd.img 0xec01 was not the correct way to do it :I |
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| 09:20.29 | e2e | Hi, does anybody know which kernel is default with woddy(rc4)? |
| 09:20.45 | streuner_ | 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 |
| 09:21.06 | RaCarter | um |
| 09:21.15 | liable | streuner_: thanks for the tip, seems to have worked :) |
| 09:21.21 | RaCarter | what is the file to edit XFree86 settings again? |
| 09:21.25 | streuner_ | liable: np |
| 09:21.29 | dragonkh | oooh |
| 09:21.31 | RaCarter | i can't seem to find XF86Config |
| 09:21.37 | dragonkh | I have 2 sticks of mem |
| 09:21.55 | supaman | RaCarter: try /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 09:21.57 | dragonkh | im takingone out to see if its faulty |
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| 09:22.22 | e2e | streuner_: There was a discussion about 2.4.18 on debian-security mail list, about security issues :( I think i have to install the latest kernel after installation |
| 09:22.51 | streuner_ | e2e: desktop or server? |
| 09:22.55 | e2e | streuner_: server |
| 09:23.10 | thenuke_ | ookey, figured it out now, had to use decimals instead of hex |
| 09:23.12 | streuner_ | e2e: try the latest of 2.2.x |
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| 09:23.42 | liable | RaCarter: /etc/X11/.... |
| 09:23.45 | e2e | streuner_: It's suggested 2.4.27 on mail list (?) |
| 09:24.12 | streuner_ | e2e: depends if you need it or not... |
| 09:24.19 | paulswm | dragonkh: be very careful about static when handling memory |
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| 09:24.31 | streuner_ | e2e: if your hardware is supported i would use 2.2.x anyway |
| 09:24.46 | manchot | why debian create link files of vmlinuz and intrid.img in / dir? |
| 09:25.08 | manchot | it seems that if I delete these files, it won't boot and result a kernel panic. |
| 09:25.15 | e2e | streuner_: Ok, thank you |
| 09:25.51 | paulswm | manchot: That's becuase your boot loader is referencing the links, change lilo or grub's config to use the actual files instead of the links and it'll work OK |
| 09:25.54 | netman1 | manchot: because lilo (your bootloader) works that way. Try grub, it works without those links. |
| 09:25.55 | PitchForkLin | Morning all. I need some recommendations on how I should divide up my harddrives based on what I want my server to do. I already know how to do the partitions but need some recommendations. |
| 09:26.12 | paulswm | manchot: Yes, grub doesn't use them come to think of it |
| 09:26.43 | Virtual | which do you think is better? grub or lilo ? |
| 09:26.49 | thenuke_ | Virtual: grub |
| 09:26.52 | netman1 | grub |
| 09:27.15 | thenuke | I dont know why anyone should use lilo instead of :) |
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| 09:27.42 | netman1 | Because they use stable, which defaults to lilo. |
| 09:27.50 | manchot | I am using grub and trying to use bootsplash but recompiling the kernel, but why is that I always got kernel panic? |
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| 09:28.17 | manchot | I have compiled file system into vmlinuz, not as module. |
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| 09:28.30 | manchot | is there any guide for compiling kernel under bebian? |
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| 09:28.45 | netman1 | man make-kpkg |
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| 09:29.28 | paulswm | PitchForkLin: You'll find recommendations in the debian installer manual which is here for sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual |
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| 09:30.12 | paulswm | PitchForkLin: ... or her for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 09:31.10 | manchot | netman1: I used make-kpkg and compiled the kernel, but I got kernel panic |
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| 09:32.10 | dragonkh | omg - I just dropped my workking mem stick down the toilet !!! - will it be ok ? |
| 09:32.19 | netman1 | manchot: try duplicating your existing (and hopefully correct) kernel by copying it's .config and compare it with the running kernel. |
| 09:32.36 | dragonkh | im drying it off with the hairdryer - damn it |
| 09:32.40 | brrrt | j /#ubuntu |
| 09:32.45 | brrrt | usp |
| 09:33.48 | netman1 | dragonkh: you are just loading it with static electricity. If it wasn't gone, now it is. |
| 09:34.33 | dragonkh | oh :( |
| 09:34.37 | liable | dragonkh: you mmust be joking, wtf did you have it in the toilet for |
| 09:34.59 | dragonkh | I was taking a pee and cleaning the dust away with my cotton ear buds and I dropped it |
| 09:35.06 | RaCarter | where is the XFree86 error log again? |
| 09:35.09 | dragonkh | but its dried off now |
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| 09:35.17 | streuner_ | RaCarter: /var/log |
| 09:35.18 | netman1 | RaCarter: /var/log/XF* |
| 09:35.19 | liable | RaCarter: /var/log |
| 09:35.23 | dragonkh | and im trying it again - at least its much much cleaner now |
| 09:35.36 | liable | dragonkh: and blue? |
| 09:35.38 | dragonkh | I had to use the suck pump thing to fish it oput as it slid down the ubend pipe |
| 09:35.43 | BadMan | mornign all... |
| 09:35.48 | dragonkh | blue? |
| 09:35.53 | dragonkh | its not blue - its shiny !! |
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| 09:36.09 | dragonkh | we have green stuff in our toilet |
| 09:36.20 | BadMan | whats a good "encoder" for a news reader like XNews on winders? |
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| 09:36.25 | dragonkh | hmm |
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| 09:36.47 | dragonkh | I get a seg fault with both mem sticks when running with only 1 meme stick |
| 09:37.06 | dragonkh | the mem feels very hot to the touch |
| 09:37.11 | dragonkh | is that normal ? |
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| 09:38.17 | taddeus | morning |
| 09:38.58 | valdyn_ | dragonkh: maybe you managed to break not only your memory stick but also your usb port / whole mainboard by creating a nice little power shortcut |
| 09:39.30 | dragonkh | power shortcut ? |
| 09:39.43 | dragonkh | I think its hot because its right next to the cpu |
| 09:39.47 | dragonkh | and the cpu is hot |
| 09:41.36 | dragonkh | oops - it just shutdown |
| 09:41.44 | dragonkh | theres somethign definitely not right |
| 09:42.52 | taddeus | i'm tring to make work an ati 9600 video card on Debian, problem is that kernel i'm using (2.6.8-2-686) aleady load a module radeonfb wich make screen become black when loaded. I tried to add skip="radeonfb" in discover-modprobe.con but module is already loaded at any boot :\ Is there a way to force kernel do not use radeonfb ? |
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| 09:43.59 | valdyn_ | taddeus: delete the file or maybe try video=radeonfb:off |
| 09:44.06 | streuner_ | taddeus: what do you use the free drivers? |
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| 09:44.34 | taddeus | streuner_, i can't install the driver before get console working :\ |
| 09:44.47 | streuner_ | odd |
| 09:45.19 | volga | i am having problems compiling kernel modules though i have the sources installed |
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| 09:45.26 | liable | taddeus: maybe try blacklisting in hotplug too |
| 09:45.33 | volga | same module compiles fine on redhat |
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| 09:45.45 | valdyn_ | taddeus: you can also try a different videomode, like vga=792 |
| 09:46.02 | taddeus | ok, tnx, will try now :P |
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| 09:46.18 | volga | can anybody help |
| 09:46.48 | dragonkh | should the fdisk for the swap partition be 83 linux or 82 linux swap / solaris ? |
| 09:46.57 | dragonkh | I dont seem to have any swap |
| 09:46.59 | valdyn_ | volga: having sources installed is the hard way to do this, just install headers ( apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 09:47.02 | dragonkh | maybe thats the problem |
| 09:47.08 | manchot | in / dir, there is a directory called initrd, but it empty, what's the use of it? |
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| 09:48.15 | volga | valdyn_, yeah i dont have headers installed, whats the difference can u plz explain |
| 09:48.18 | dragonkh | yes - i think thats the problem ! |
| 09:48.25 | dragonkh | I had no swap !! |
| 09:48.33 | Varg__ | s this a known issue: CDs created on a 2.6.11 system have the same checksum as the corresponding iso image but cannot be mounted |
| 09:48.43 | valdyn_ | volga: the headers are already configured for your debian kernel, the full sources are not |
| 09:49.10 | valdyn_ | volga: which module are you trying to compile, and how? |
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| 09:50.53 | paulswm | dragonkh: If you read the link that I posted for you, running out of swap space is mentioned as one of the possible causes for segfaults. |
| 09:51.22 | volga | valdyn_, i was playing with netfilter hooks but it didnt work on debian |
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| 09:51.32 | streuner_ | Somebody using CUPS to print over LAN to a Laser-printer? |
| 09:51.42 | dragonkh | somethign isnt right though still - swpd in vmstat is still at 0 |
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| 09:52.40 | volga | valdyn_, thanks i will try again |
| 09:52.49 | paulswm | dragonkh: and a swap partition is ID 82, and you have to run mkswap on it and mount it with swapon and also put it in your fstab |
| 09:52.49 | sepski | streuner_, i'd assume that is very common |
| 09:53.25 | paulswm | dragonkh: 'swapon -s' will tell you what swap devices are enabled |
| 09:53.29 | streuner_ | sepski: which print-system do you recommend at the side where the laser-printer is connected? |
| 09:53.51 | streuner_ | sepski: or what package should i use? |
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| 09:54.44 | streuner_ | deadcat: hi |
| 09:54.47 | sepski | streuner_, most of my printers are network capable in themselfs, and i just print directly to them using cups |
| 09:55.04 | dragonkh | paulswm, hmm its hsows up in swapon -s - as dev/hda3 - which is in the etc/fstab already hmm |
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| 09:55.15 | taddeus | liable, valdyn_ thanx to you console is working now :P |
| 09:55.16 | streuner_ | sepski: so you wanna sys you don't need a working printsystem at the other box? |
| 09:55.23 | streuner_ | s/sys/say/ |
| 09:55.28 | sepski | streuner_, and /msg dpkg cups setup to get the packagelist |
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| 09:55.35 | dragonkh | paulswm, but it saus 0 swap used |
| 09:55.37 | cahoot | streuner_: need cups on the client too |
| 09:55.39 | taddeus | now i can install the drivers |
| 09:55.43 | dragonkh | is that normal ? |
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| 09:55.49 | paulswm | Oh, and blue toilet water does turn green when you pee in it and I suspect that dropping memory boards into diluted pee probably at least shortens their life expectancy |
| 09:55.52 | streuner_ | sepski: i have that working on my system, but i wanna print to another box |
| 09:56.00 | dragonkh | or should it be using swap - I only got 512 mem stick in there now |
| 09:56.08 | streuner_ | cahoot: oh |
| 09:56.24 | BadMan | paulswm: lol, did you try this.... |
| 09:56.25 | sepski | streuner_, what _other_ box ? you install the printer on the cups website on the printer you want to be the 'printeserver' and all other cups capable boxes use that automagicaly |
| 09:56.29 | paulswm | dragonkh: How much memory do you have? If you have, say, 512MB, it is quite probably that no swap is being used |
| 09:56.31 | taddeus | streuner_, do you suggest to install free driver for ATI 9600 ? |
| 09:56.37 | liable | dragonkh: I only have 512 and I never seem to use swap |
| 09:56.53 | streuner_ | taddeus: yes, of course, /msg dpkg ati |
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| 09:57.03 | dragonkh | hmm you know coulds it be that the id was just wrong on the fdsik ? |
| 09:57.13 | dragonkh | I changed it to 82 from 83 and rebooted |
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| 09:57.32 | cahoot | streuner_: just edit client.conf on the 'clients' to use 'server' |
| 09:57.35 | streuner_ | taddeus: they are packaged for debian, using the driver of ATI... |
| 09:57.35 | valdyn_ | dragonkh: that id is irrelevant |
| 09:57.36 | dragonkh | the compile is gotten much further than usual now |
| 09:57.37 | sepski | streuner_, just install cups on all boxes, instal the printer on the box you want to be the server and cups should spread the printer to all cups clients |
| 09:58.11 | streuner_ | sepski: what protocol should i use, ipp? |
| 09:58.17 | paulswm | BadMan: I try to avoid messing with delicate eletronic components while holding my dick in one hand, heh |
| 09:58.29 | taddeus | streuner_, should i add any mirror on my sources.list ? should i recompile a new kernel from myself ? |
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| 09:58.35 | sepski | streuner_, depends on what your printer can talk , i use socket://printername |
| 09:58.36 | cahoot | streuner_: and config 'server' to allow connections from the lan |
| 09:58.42 | streuner_ | taddeus: /msg dpkg ati |
| 09:58.43 | BadMan | paulswm: yeah, that couldtend to be a problem.... |
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| 09:58.48 | taddeus | ok |
| 09:58.52 | dragonkh | are you sure that id is not relevant ? surely it must matter |
| 09:59.06 | valdyn_ | dragonkh: not it doesnt matter |
| 09:59.11 | valdyn_ | dragonkh: no, it doesnt matter |
| 09:59.21 | paulswm | BadMan: Especially as it takes two hands to hold it, HAHA |
| 09:59.25 | paulswm | j/k |
| 09:59.27 | sepski | streuner_, printername is ofcouse a valid dns entry for the printers ip address |
| 09:59.35 | BadMan | paulswm: now its getting deep..... |
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| 09:59.39 | tof | hi! I want to unzip a lot of files, but they have spaces in thier names, so ""for i in `ls -b *.zip` ; do echo unzip -o $i ; done"" cuts the names and each $i is a part of a file name... Do you know how I can avoid that? |
| 09:59.40 | BadMan | 8-) |
| 10:00.15 | dragonkh | aaah |
| 10:00.20 | metaperl | tof, you might use perl... |
| 10:00.21 | valdyn_ | tof: you shouldnt use ls there |
| 10:00.27 | dragonkh | it failed but with a error not a seg fault !!! |
| 10:00.36 | dragonkh | thats surely better ! |
| 10:00.38 | valdyn_ | tof: just use *, not ls - * |
| 10:00.41 | valdyn_ | tof: just use *, not ls -b * |
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| 10:01.17 | dragonkh | it failed in the drm_memory section - is that bad? |
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| 10:01.52 | valdyn_ | dragonkh: if things for at different points then theres either a race condition or broken hardware, assume the 2nd |
| 10:01.53 | dragonkh | drm_gamma stuff failing - no file or directory |
| 10:02.02 | valdyn_ | dragonkh: if things break at different points then theres either a race condition or broken hardware, assume the 2nd |
| 10:02.10 | dragonkh | well this time it fails consistently at this spot |
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| 10:02.42 | dragonkh | I did make clean, make oldconfig and make again |
| 10:02.50 | dragonkh | and it failed again at the drm bit |
| 10:02.54 | metaperl | is anyone aware of any mod_perl/CGI shared hosting groups out there? |
| 10:02.57 | dragonkh | but I'll try one more time to be sure |
| 10:03.04 | tof | valdyn_, thanks I try that way... metaperl, thanks too, but I try to stay with bash for now :-) |
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| 10:04.12 | rm-Rf | how do i register with nickserv |
| 10:04.26 | valdyn_ | rm-Rf: /msg nickserv help |
| 10:04.33 | rm-Rf | valdyn_: tnx |
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| 10:05.49 | dragonkh | how likely is it that both mem sticks could be faulty though ? I have had them in there for 2 years ! |
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| 10:09.55 | tito-tenero | i have a problem about disk geometry, my currently installed Debian sees: 16383,16, 63 wheres knoppix sees:2432,255,63 |
| 10:10.04 | e2e | Hi, which module i have to use for 3com 3c905c-tx |
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| 10:10.17 | paulswm | dragonkh: The longer you have them the increased probability of failure, they don't get *more* reliable with time, and dropping them in usine and disinfectant doesn't help :) |
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| 10:10.27 | valdyn_ | tito-tenero: on woody? |
| 10:10.30 | paulswm | s/usine/urine/ |
| 10:10.38 | tito-tenero | no, |
| 10:10.41 | tito-tenero | unstable |
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| 10:11.30 | tito-tenero | i have tried to change geomtry of knoppix at boot time but nothing change. |
| 10:11.39 | paulswm | tito-tenero: Waht's the problem? Linux doesn't use disk geometry anyway |
| 10:11.55 | tof | valdyn_, ""for i in *.zip ; do unzip -o $i ; done"" is ok to get file names, but unzip now have args like that : "unzip -o fi le" and only search for a file name "fi"... Anyone knows how I can escape the space? |
| 10:11.59 | tito-tenero | lilo daes |
| 10:12.02 | tito-tenero | does |
| 10:12.40 | cupis | e2e: try 3c59x |
| 10:12.46 | tito-tenero | I have repartitioned by PARTED under Knoppix, now |
| 10:13.04 | doublehp | I am having bug #72425 ; it says I need to patch several stuff; I have downloaded the patch and the .ebuild; how do I apply them on my conf ? |
| 10:13.05 | luulis | tof: you escape space like any other char, '\ ' |
| 10:13.14 | tito-tenero | my currently installed distro find a disk geometry that .... |
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| 10:13.33 | tito-tenero | partition doesen't end at cylinder boundary |
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| 10:13.59 | luulis | doublehp: ebuild? this isnt #gentoo |
| 10:14.23 | doublehp | luulis: oups :) |
| 10:14.50 | doublehp | wrong chan :) |
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| 10:14.58 | e2e | cupis: Thanks |
| 10:15.00 | smurfy | hi |
| 10:15.03 | tof | luulis, :-) but I don't have the file name in my 'for i in *.zip' cmd... |
| 10:15.07 | valdyn_ | tof: unzip \'$i\' |
| 10:15.19 | paulswm | tito-tenero: please to NOT DCC me |
| 10:15.30 | smurfy | i want to tar my whole system except /proc and /dev any one help me to tar it |
| 10:15.31 | tito-tenero | who coul help me ? |
| 10:15.49 | dragonkh | smurfy - haha why on earth ! |
| 10:16.05 | doublehp | smurfy: are you tarring to FAT32 ? |
| 10:16.16 | smurfy | nop |
| 10:16.22 | paulswm | tito-tenero: lilo doesn't use disk geometry if you have lba32 option in the config, unless you have a very very old BIOS which doesn't support extended INT13 |
| 10:16.27 | smurfy | taring to put it on another hdd |
| 10:16.32 | luulis | smurfy: i think the man/info page explains how to exclude dirs/files from tar archive |
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| 10:17.22 | dragonkh | smurfy - I guess you could do it with --exclude=PATTERN |
| 10:17.43 | tito-tenero | I know it, but after repaertiton if i rerun lilo i get an error message. lilo doesn't allow me to change config anymore |
| 10:17.49 | streuner_ | sepski, cahoot: Destintation printer does not exist? |
| 10:18.05 | doublehp | smurfy: man tar -> -T, --files-from F -X, --exclude-from FILE |
| 10:18.06 | Dewi | my debian machine is currently stuck on dialup. if I download a bunch of packages myself on a fast connection, is there some kind of cache directory I can place the .debs in and dselect will find them? |
| 10:18.20 | doublehp | smurfy: you also want to exclude /mnt :) |
| 10:18.28 | sepski | streuner_, and you got that error when you were doing what ? |
| 10:18.37 | doublehp | smurfy: and hell: when you answer ppl, QUOTE THEM |
| 10:18.51 | streuner_ | sepski: trying to print a test page |
| 10:19.02 | valdyn_ | smurfd: -l make tar stick to one fs ( so will exclude /dev , /proc |
| 10:19.08 | doublehp | Dewi: man apt -> downloadonly |
| 10:19.13 | streuner_ | Apr 10 12:16:59 zerberus ippl: ipp connection attempt from 192.168.1.10 |
| 10:19.16 | tito-tenero | it says:Device 0x0300: Invalid partition table, 3rd entry, 3D address: 1/0/130 (131040) ,Linear address: 1/14/2071 (2088450) |
| 10:19.19 | sepski | streuner_, error in your config then, did you use ipp ? |
| 10:19.20 | paulswm | tito-tenero: partitons not ending at a cylinder boundary only matters to Microsoft OSes, and really doesn't metter to XP anyway I don't think. You will find howtos on partitioning and information on disk geometry in the Linux HOWTOs at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/categories.html |
| 10:19.22 | valdyn_ | smurfd: unless you have a static /dev/ naturally |
| 10:19.26 | streuner_ | sepski: yep |
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| 10:19.50 | sepski | streuner_, never used that. i just didnt understand it :P |
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| 10:19.54 | paulswm | tito-tenero: Then you've messed up your partition table |
| 10:20.01 | doublehp | !help |
| 10:20.06 | streuner_ | sepski: i'll just change that... |
| 10:20.09 | valdyn_ | Dewi: apt-cache show apt-zip |
| 10:20.26 | sepski | streuner_, i assume it is becouse your ipp path dont match what the printer expected |
| 10:20.46 | smurfy | mmm |
| 10:20.49 | smurfy | i c |
| 10:20.52 | paulswm | tito-tenero: does 'sfdisk -l' on the disk show any errors |
| 10:20.52 | cahoot | streuner_: did the printer show up when you accessed localhost:631 on the client? |
| 10:21.01 | tito-tenero | yes |
| 10:21.22 | smurfy | i will use tar cf mmm.tar / --exclude:/dev --exclude:/proc |
| 10:21.44 | robin_z | OK, back in my dedrat days, I used to use a bunch of perl scripts to generate output for mrtg to draw graphs of cpu load, mysql load, mailserver load etc ... mrtg ran them to get its usual 3-line answers and build the grphs ..is there a similar pre-made debian thing, or do I copy over all things like if2mrtg, mrtgmysqload etc?? ?? |
| 10:22.04 | streuner_ | cahoot: yes, of course |
| 10:22.05 | paulswm | tito-tenero: You're going to have to repartition. If you saved your partition table, or wrote down the entries and sizes before you changed it, and you haven't written anything on the new partitions, you can save it |
| 10:22.06 | tito-tenero | sorry they are warninggs:Disk /dev/hda: 38760 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors/track,Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary.DOS and Linux will interpret the contents differently.Warning: The first partition looks like it was made, for C/H/S=*/255/63 (instead of 38760/16/63). |
| 10:22.20 | paulswm | tito-tenero: That is normal |
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| 10:22.40 | streuner_ | cahoot, sepski: the strange thing is, the printer got no data at all... |
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| 10:23.37 | Laibsch | Anybody here use the latest sarge release of mozilla-mailnews? Ever since I upgraded, I get a XUL/gecko error whenever I try to compose a new message or replying. :-( |
| 10:23.43 | tito-tenero | My question is really specific: have you ridden the warning above ? |
| 10:23.43 | paulswm | Windows type partitioners, like the crappy Partition Magic for instance, always use high number of heads, like 240 or 255, whereas Linux partitioners always use 16. |
| 10:24.10 | streuner_ | cahoot, sepski: Network host 'zerberus' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds... |
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| 10:24.43 | cahoot | streuner_: restarted cupsd on server? |
| 10:24.56 | tito-tenero | I have used ONLY linux tools !!! |
| 10:25.07 | Dewi | doublehp: thanks! |
| 10:25.10 | Dewi | valdyn_: and that looks awesome |
| 10:25.19 | Virtual | what tool do you recomend for resizing a partition ? (preferably an X based one) |
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| 10:25.43 | tito-tenero | I have repartitioned on knoppix which sees a different geometry |
| 10:25.57 | sepski | Virtual, backup-repartition-mkfs-restore it's the only _safe_ resizing tool |
| 10:26.28 | sepski | Virtual, if you insist on trying i guess parted in a xterm is about as gui as you can get it. |
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| 10:26.41 | Virtual | ok |
| 10:26.42 | streuner_ | cahoot: the same |
| 10:26.56 | Laibsch | Virtual: AFAIK there is also gparted which has a GUI and AFAIK is included in Knoppix. |
| 10:26.57 | paulswm | tito-tenero: I doubt that the ***original*** partition table was made with Linux tools, or it wouldn't have H=255. Anyway, I don't want to spend my time explaining disk geometry when you can find out all you need to know from the Linux howtos, sorry |
| 10:27.02 | streuner_ | cahoot, sepski: i doubt that printer even prints on that box |
| 10:27.07 | e2e | What is ipddp0, and how can i remove it from my network interfaces? |
| 10:27.18 | sepski | streuner_, try using ip instaed of hostname, and what driver are you using ? |
| 10:27.27 | tito-tenero | Listen, i don't want an expanation on disk geometry |
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| 10:27.45 | Virtual | AFAIK ? |
| 10:27.55 | simonrvn | @afaik |
| 10:27.56 | ravenbird | AFAIK, "AFAIK" means As Far As I Know. But YMMV. |
| 10:28.02 | Virtual | oh |
| 10:28.03 | Virtual | :) |
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| 10:28.18 | Virtual | I work on debian not knoppix |
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| 10:28.26 | tito-tenero | I have made everything under knoppix, which sees H=255 |
| 10:28.33 | soloflyer | afaik you cant resize any partition which is mounted eg the one that u booted linux from |
| 10:28.54 | sepski | Virtual, you are aware that resizing a partitino that's in use |
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| 10:29.23 | JonasNZ | hey im having sum problems with my sshd, it accepts connections, but when i try and log in with user other than root, it closes the session leaving "Apr 10 06:27:53 localhost login[14036]: unable to cd to `/home/jbergler' for user `jbergler'" in /var/log/auth.log |
| 10:29.42 | streuner_ | sepski: something blocks the connection to my server (zerberus)... |
| 10:29.48 | tito-tenero | Problem is : how can i change at boot time disk geomtry provided to KNOPPIX ? |
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| 10:30.49 | BadMan | <BadMan> the real shit of it is I just had a "mouse" run across my desk top, litterally.... |
| 10:30.50 | BadMan | <BadMan> not and usb optical with the pretty red lights, but a for legged bastard.... |
| 10:31.25 | piz | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=285111 <-- is this postfix bug still a bug? or should it be closed? does someone know something about this? |
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| 10:32.35 | soloflyer | BadMan you could catch it and conect a usb cable to it along with an optical sensor and youll have an self controled mouse |
| 10:33.00 | BadMan | soloflyer: well he may not like it but i thinnnnk a usb "C"? would fit 8-) |
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| 10:35.11 | paulswm | tito-tenero: ask in #knoppix, knoppix isn't #debian |
| 10:35.34 | tito-tenero | ok, thank you |
| 10:37.33 | _kaz | how do you upgrade just one package? like mysql for instance? |
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| 10:37.51 | Mage___ | apt-get install mysql |
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| 10:38.53 | mike | hi |
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| 10:40.07 | ordi | please I need some help, I just compiled my kernel 2.6.8 then now I can't use my USB2 anymore |
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| 10:40.34 | ctd | ordi: did you compile the right stuff in to the kernel? |
| 10:40.38 | cahoot | ordi: forgot ehcd? |
| 10:40.47 | mike | i have a usb webcam. How would i be able to use it. I have used a kernel 2.6.8-2-686 as an image. Does that come with the modules etc? |
| 10:40.48 | tof | valdyn_, thanks for your help, pb solved! |
| 10:41.22 | ctd | mike: google the model up, see if it's suppored. |
| 10:41.27 | ctd | mike: supported* |
| 10:41.39 | mike | ctd: i don't know what the model is |
| 10:41.40 | cahoot | ordi: err - ehci |
| 10:41.55 | mike | ctd: on startup it just says it found a high speed USB device |
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| 10:42.58 | cahoot | ordi: grep -i ehci /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 10:43.00 | ctd | mike: not even a manufacturer or something? |
| 10:43.14 | mike | ctd: its generic |
| 10:43.27 | ctd | mike: does 'lsusb' tell you anything? |
| 10:43.37 | ordi | cahoot: CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=m |
| 10:43.37 | ordi | # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_SPLIT_ISO is not set |
| 10:43.37 | ordi | # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_ROOT_HUB_TT is not set |
| 10:43.46 | ordi | sounds like it's not well done :S |
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| 10:44.10 | ctd | ordi: echo "ehci" >> /etc/modules |
| 10:44.10 | cahoot | ordi: if you modprobe ehci_hcd? |
| 10:44.23 | mike | ctd: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0ac8:305b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. |
| 10:44.24 | ctd | ordi: err, don't do what I said |
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| 10:44.30 | mike | ctd: thats the only thing listed |
| 10:44.50 | ordi | cahoot: looks like it load OK |
| 10:44.53 | mike | ctd: omg, it is |
| 10:44.57 | mike | ctd: Qcam |
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| 10:45.19 | cahoot | ordi: should have usb2 now - put the module name in /etc/modules for future use |
| 10:46.06 | ordi | cahoot: problem lsmod => no ehci |
| 10:46.20 | ctd | mike: I noticed one model without linux support from google |
| 10:46.45 | ctd | mike: but you'll want to google it up a bit and try and figure out what model it is, and what modules you'll need. |
| 10:47.04 | ctd | mike: If you're using a debian stock kernel, chance the modules will already be there. |
| 10:47.31 | ordi | cahoot: excuse me yes Ehci is ok in lsmod |
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| 10:48.49 | ordi | cahoot: even with ehci_usb runned no way to make my mouse detected not even lighted on |
| 10:49.26 | ordi | and usbview give me strange results it doesn't see my usb ports ... |
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| 10:49.42 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 10:50.27 | freewoody | I just install Debian Woody 3 |
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| 10:50.41 | freewoody | I am having some problems configuring X-Server |
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| 10:51.00 | freewoody | Can somebody help me out? |
| 10:51.07 | freewoody | I am using the Kernel 2.2.20 |
| 10:51.20 | Rawplayer | :| |
| 10:51.29 | freewoody | How do I trouble-shoot XFree Server in debian ? |
| 10:52.51 | cow | freewoody, isn't 2.2.20 a bit old by now? Anyway. Look at the logs in /var/log/XF* |
| 10:52.58 | cahoot | ordi: grep -i usb_devicefs /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 10:53.13 | freewoody | Well I just downloaded the small net ISO |
| 10:53.44 | freewoody | Well how do I fix the Xserver even if using the Kernel 2.2.20 |
| 10:53.45 | ordi | cahoot: CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS=y |
| 10:53.57 | freewoody | I can update the kernel later right |
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| 10:54.12 | simonrvn | well first upgrade the kernel to something not full of root holes, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:54.19 | cahoot | ordi: ok - have to leave for food |
| 10:54.23 | cow | Does someone by chance know where the current anonymous repository for dpkg is? I get errors when trying to use the repository mentioned in cvs.debian.org |
| 10:54.45 | cow | freewoody, what does not work? |
| 10:54.53 | ordi | cahoot: NP |
| 10:55.15 | freewoody | Well I am facing some problems with Free86 Xserver |
| 10:55.27 | freewoody | in Debain 3.0 with kernel 2.2.20 |
| 10:55.28 | liable | awww shit, I just got another syslog line in irssi |
| 10:55.38 | liable | thought it was fixed |
| 10:56.08 | cow | freewoody, well, *what* problems. |
| 10:56.16 | Rawplayer | i have a few spam emails which are not detected as spam they have hits=0.0 how can i mark them as spam and let them automagicly be deleted the tld's are also different each time |
| 10:56.40 | freewoody | I can't start X with startx |
| 10:57.01 | freewoody | It gives some strange messages |
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| 10:57.19 | drac | troll? |
| 10:57.28 | cow | Rawplayer, make sa learn from "spam" (as opposed to "ham") and put those into spam |
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| 10:58.29 | freewoody | So how do I fix the XFree Xserver in Debian ? |
| 10:58.34 | BadMan | freewoody: it would help if you could paste the message in #flood or @ http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 11:00.01 | lakerss | doesn anyone have experience with Procaster's DigiTV bixes ? |
| 11:00.01 | dragonkh | how can I tell what temperature my cpu is running at ? |
| 11:00.06 | dragonkh | is there a commmand I can run to see? |
| 11:00.44 | lakerss | doesn anyone have experience with Procaster's DigiTV boxes ? |
| 11:00.53 | BadMan | !polls |
| 11:00.53 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 11:01.04 | anhi | dragonkh: multiple software kits for that (like gdesklets, sensors, xsensors, and so on) |
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| 11:01.11 | freewoody | If I paste that message, then I can't use this chatroom |
| 11:01.31 | freewoody | Isn't there any basic X tool to configure the display |
| 11:01.41 | BadMan | freewoody: read the message i posted, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 11:01.44 | dragonkh | anhi - whats the quickest way to tell ? |
| 11:01.45 | freewoody | I could use Ubuntu 4.10 in this system |
| 11:01.48 | lakerss | anyone? |
| 11:02.04 | anhi | dragonkh: getting one of them |
| 11:02.05 | Rawplayer | cow: the tld's are different |
| 11:02.10 | dragonkh | anhi - ok |
| 11:02.23 | dragonkh | anhi - I dont have X installed though |
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| 11:03.33 | lakerss | doesn anyone have experience with Procaster's DigiTV boxes ? |
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| 11:03.39 | anhi | dragonkh: use e.g. lmsensors |
| 11:04.44 | Oliver | i like a distro that a user of a.n.other distro can pick up and pretty much use without reading much of the distro specifc manuals (was using gentoo on a desktop/play system, getting deb going for a production project later) |
| 11:05.26 | Virtual | how can I resize the / partition? cause it`s in use... |
| 11:05.34 | trand | _(_ _)_ |
| 11:05.49 | Oliver | Virtual: boot from a recovery CD with the utilities on |
| 11:05.57 | freewoody | Can I update my Kernel 2.2.20 to 2.6.10 in Debian ? |
| 11:06.00 | Rawplayer | Virtual: knoppix or gentoo live cd |
| 11:06.06 | freewoody | I just installed the Kernel 2.2.20 today |
| 11:06.48 | simonrvn | freewoody: not in woody; 2.4.18 (which is patched) |
| 11:06.59 | Virtual | freewoody: sure, apt-get kernel-image-2.6.10 kernel-hearders-2.6.10 kernel-source-2.6.10 |
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| 11:07.13 | simonrvn | Virtual: not in woody |
| 11:07.24 | paulswm | freewoody: apt-cache search kernel-image, and install which kernel you want, I don't think that one's in woody though |
| 11:07.29 | freewoody | That's it, it will download all the required software and it's dependencies |
| 11:07.33 | Virtual | ohhh... I just realised it`s woody with that kernel... |
| 11:07.36 | Virtual | I suggest Sarge |
| 11:07.36 | Rawplayer | gl then |
| 11:07.37 | Virtual | :) |
| 11:07.37 | liable | dragonkh: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature |
| 11:07.42 | Mage___ | and kernel-image it's bad. |
| 11:07.58 | freewoody | Well how do I update the OS itself from Woody to Sarge or even Sid ? |
| 11:08.09 | freewoody | Do I have to modify the sources.list ? |
| 11:08.15 | paulswm | !woody->sarge |
| 11:08.23 | paulswm | Ah well |
| 11:08.31 | Mage___ | freewoody: vi /etc/apt/sources.list ; :%s/stable/testing/g ; :wq ; apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:08.36 | simonrvn | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 11:08.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody->sarge is Then "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes> |
| 11:09.02 | paulswm | simonrvn: thanks :) |
| 11:09.15 | simonrvn | /topic of #debian-bots |
| 11:09.33 | freewoody | The reason why I want to update the kernel itself is because my Xserver is not working in kernel 2.2.20 |
| 11:09.45 | simonrvn | Welcome to #debian-bots. Please don't abuse them. || Use /msg whenever possible || dpkg's svn tree is now available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/branches/dpkg_trunk/?root=Blootbot || short addressing with factoids containing -> busted |
| 11:09.52 | freewoody | apt-get kernel-image-2.6.10 kernel-hearders-2.6.10 kernel-source-2.6.10 |
| 11:09.54 | paulswm | simonm: Hah, thanks yet again |
| 11:10.01 | simonrvn | 'headers' |
| 11:10.02 | freewoody | That will download the latest kernel and install it too |
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| 11:11.44 | freewoody | Can my XServer problem be fixed after editing the XF86Config-4 file in /etc ? |
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| 11:12.01 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:12.11 | Virtual | if I want to create a boot disk with grub this syntax is correct ? : grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/floppy '(fd0)' |
| 11:12.12 | Virtual | ? |
| 11:12.15 | orzel | hello. could that be that suid scripts work on debian, and not on other distros????? |
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| 11:12.43 | simonrvn | orzel: no |
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| 11:12.59 | simonrvn | orzel: they don't work, period |
| 11:13.58 | freewoody | OK, I think that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:14.13 | orzel | i got a suid scripts that doesn't suid when executed. i'm not surprised. but it seems it works (ps aux confirms) on a debian box of a friend of mine |
| 11:14.22 | freewoody | How do I check that all my required dependencies are installed to run XServer in Debian 3 woody |
| 11:14.28 | orzel | simonrvn: it's a perl cgi. and suexec is not set in apache... |
| 11:14.41 | simonrvn | so |
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| 11:15.29 | paulswm | Virtual: you can check against the grub documentation, will save us doing it for you |
| 11:15.59 | luna | If I try to install debian with the netinst cd and 2.6 kernel my keyboard does not respond. Is this a known problem? |
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| 11:16.50 | Oliver | i'm having a stupid moment, how do i add options to apache's startup options? (-DPHP for example) |
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| 11:17.47 | sean_ | anyone knows how to config the gnome menus on enlightenment? |
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| 11:18.22 | schelm | sean_, see ~/.enlightenment/*.menu |
| 11:18.34 | sean_ | thanx |
| 11:18.55 | luna | I also have the problem that my keyboard does not respond in X (2.4 kernel). |
| 11:19.10 | sean_ | what kinda keyboard u have luna? |
| 11:19.22 | luna | A fake ps2. |
| 11:19.38 | orzel | if i have a suid shell, ls -l will red-highlight it on my non-debian distro, meaning there's a pb. It wont be highlighted under debian, why ? i'm trying to understant what the difference is |
| 11:20.10 | luna | sean_: It is an older keyboard with a ps2 converter thinge. |
| 11:20.10 | sean_ | are u a debian user? luna |
| 11:20.17 | sean_ | oh ok i see |
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| 11:20.42 | simonrvn | LSCOLORS isn't an indication of a problem |
| 11:20.47 | luna | sean_: debian since yesterday, but unfortunately without both X and 2.6 kernel. |
| 11:21.06 | sean_ | what happened, cant u upgrade |
| 11:21.10 | BadMan | what key layout did you select? likely you need to select a 102 |
| 11:21.18 | Ragan_ | !tell sean_ about u |
| 11:21.34 | BadMan | brb need to make some coffee |
| 11:21.42 | simonrvn | good idea |
| 11:21.57 | CLI | Helllo! |
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| 11:22.51 | luna | I chose a 102 keys keyboard. se layout. |
| 11:23.02 | trand | i have 'ibm space saver II' keyboard. |
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| 11:23.20 | luna | And when trying the 2.6 kernel I can't even get that far. |
| 11:23.31 | sean_ | check your X config file luna |
| 11:23.43 | luna | Look for what? |
| 11:24.04 | sean_ | luna: your X11 config file |
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| 11:25.08 | raf256 | hi there |
| 11:25.12 | raf256 | fellow geeks \o/ |
| 11:25.16 | soloflyer | hey |
| 11:25.23 | raf256 | how can I fast grant access to my /media/cdrom0 |
| 11:25.26 | raf256 | to a winxp machine |
| 11:25.31 | raf256 | via samba or sometrhing |
| 11:25.36 | soloflyer | samba |
| 11:25.53 | raf256 | what commends should I type as a root? /etc/init.d/samba start and what else? |
| 11:26.05 | soloflyer | install samba |
| 11:26.08 | raf256 | how to setup access on encrypted password for user USER and pass PASS |
| 11:26.10 | Mage___ | vi /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 11:26.14 | raf256 | I do have samba |
| 11:26.16 | Mage___ | read doc |
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| 11:26.23 | cow | raf256, there should be a commented out template for exporting cdrom via samba |
| 11:26.23 | Mage___ | all is in the doc |
| 11:26.35 | soloflyer | default config file has cdrom config already in it just uncomment the cd-rom parts |
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| 11:26.47 | hdo781 | Is it safe to mix Christian Marillat's testing repository with Debian's testing repository? |
| 11:26.57 | raf256 | hmm I dont seem to have /etc/init.d/samba - why? |
| 11:27.02 | sean_ | luna:keyb/mouse is configured with the xfree86-server package, you might try: |
| 11:27.02 | sean_ | [CODE]dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server[/CODE] |
| 11:27.02 | sean_ | And go through the config again. |
| 11:27.13 | Mage___ | raf256: apt-get --reinstall install samba |
| 11:27.14 | cow | raf256, because it is in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 11:27.37 | raf256 | oh, I didnt had samba installed on this box, sorry |
| 11:27.44 | luna | sean_: thanks. I'll try that. brb... |
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| 11:28.21 | soloflyer | step number one apt-get install samba |
| 11:28.46 | sean_ | brb gentlemen and ladies |
| 11:29.01 | hdo781 | Is it safe to mix Christian Marillat's testing repository with Debian's testing repository? |
| 11:29.09 | ctd | hdo781: yes |
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| 11:29.55 | BadMan | dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver notice the "x" |
| 11:29.57 | hdo781 | ctd: Thanks, I just wanted mplayer. I didn't want my system to become unstable. |
| 11:30.03 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:30.44 | ctd | hdo781: the 'testing' packages there mean just that, they're compiled to work with testing. ;) |
| 11:30.54 | BadMan | yeah what simon said heeh |
| 11:30.58 | Grant | bah piece of crape clamd debian package |
| 11:30.59 | Grant | lol |
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| 11:31.27 | simonrvn | Grant: usually layer 8 problem ;p |
| 11:31.50 | luna | simonrvn: Thanks... |
| 11:31.56 | raf256 | is samba a good way to share files also linux to linux? can it preserver chmod/chown info, is it fast? the transmision is not encrypted, is it? |
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| 11:32.36 | streuner_ | raf256: NFS |
| 11:32.37 | luna | I have a GeForce 5200, what server dirver should I choose? |
| 11:32.42 | simonrvn | raf256: depends what you want |
| 11:32.54 | raf256 | luna nvidia driver for linux, duh |
| 11:33.07 | raf256 | luna: www.nvidia.com/linux |
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| 11:33.18 | rm-Rf | what can i do if i don't remeber the password for nickserv? |
| 11:33.22 | soloflyer | raf256 use nfs |
| 11:33.24 | streuner_ | luna: some of nvidia videocards are supported from xfree86 |
| 11:33.33 | cat | rm-Rf: go to #freenode |
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| 11:33.39 | sean_ | did u fix it luna? |
| 11:33.42 | streuner_ | luna: but not the most, look at the xfree86 site, is it supported or not |
| 11:33.49 | streuner_ | luna: try /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 11:34.23 | ledet | !tell luna about nvidia-oneliner |
| 11:34.26 | BadMan | luna: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 11:35.11 | pa | hello! does anyone use debmirror? |
| 11:35.13 | raf256 | luna: dont listen to dpkg on this, just go to nvidia.com and get linux driver |
| 11:35.20 | raf256 | !gentoosmite dpkg |
| 11:35.32 | pa | can i tell debmirror to remove old packages from the mirrordir? |
| 11:35.32 | rm-Rf | cat: what that will help me? |
| 11:35.34 | ledet | raf256: eeek... why do such a thing? |
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| 11:35.43 | ledet | raf256: why mess up your installation? |
| 11:35.44 | BadMan | luna: jsut use that link I gave you, fool proof |
| 11:35.46 | raf256 | ledet: why not? |
| 11:35.58 | ledet | raf256: you risk breaking your system |
| 11:36.03 | raf256 | ledet: how O_o ? |
| 11:36.14 | schelm | !test dpkg |
| 11:36.15 | dpkg | Testing dpkg... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$ |
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| 11:36.28 | ledet | raf256: the nvidia installer may overwrite files |
| 11:36.31 | raf256 | ledet: I just execute downloaded single file, change a line in XFree86-4 config and thatss it |
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| 11:36.33 | ledet | raf256: or get its files overridden |
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| 11:36.47 | luna | BadMan: Looks good. |
| 11:37.04 | raf256 | ledet: realy? well perhaps... I find it comfortably and foolproof as well |
| 11:37.09 | ledet | raf256: your system _will_ break eventually |
| 11:37.20 | raf256 | ledet: well, eventually we will all die :) |
| 11:37.24 | ledet | raf256: keep all your stuff in /usr/local or use dpkg... as simple as that |
| 11:37.30 | sean_ | luna:how did everytihng go? |
| 11:37.40 | ledet | raf256: and using the debian nvidia installer is not hard |
| 11:37.43 | BadMan | luna: its straightforward, follow the debian way on all of them forget manual |
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| 11:40.24 | luna | sean_: Not yet... |
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| 11:41.23 | ed__ | wow, quite a lot of people here |
| 11:41.58 | valdyn_ | !tell luna about nvidia one-liner |
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| 11:43.44 | raf256 | with ports my I enable for samba on serve? |
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| 11:45.45 | BadMan | !nvidia installer |
| 11:45.45 | dpkg | methinks nvidia installer is a script available from nvidia.com which installs nvidia drivers for you. However, it overwrites files that apt owns, which can get overwritten themselves when X is upgraded, leading to random breakage. Ask me about "nvidia-howto" or just "nvidia" |
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| 11:46.07 | raf256 | !america |
| 11:46.07 | dpkg | well, america is based on its ideal that everyone should be as similar as possible, or the most powerful nation in the capitalist world, and now, the whole world, or a shithouse country run by evil dictator-like leaders, or evil country with crazy patent law |
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| 11:46.24 | valdyn_ | or in other words, each time X gets upgraded in debian ( like 10 times since 2003 ), your nvidia drivers _will_ break |
| 11:47.29 | pa | really? |
| 11:47.29 | pa | that's shit |
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| 11:47.29 | Aronofsky | hi zvzrybody |
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| 11:47.56 | Aronofsky | just a question, will it be an update of gnome for the debian testing, because the 2.10 is out and we're still on 2.8 ? |
| 11:48.15 | may | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.27 | pa | eheh |
| 11:48.39 | valdyn_ | Aronofsky: i dont think it will get _into_ sarge, it _will_ get into testing after sarge releases, and someone is certainly going to backport it inofficially |
| 11:49.23 | Aronofsky | valdyn_, i don't understand what is the difference between sarge and testing ? |
| 11:49.38 | pa | it's the same |
| 11:49.42 | pa | sarge is testing |
| 11:49.43 | Phated | He means it will get into etch. |
| 11:49.54 | valdyn_ | Aronofsky: testing is a _state_ of a debian release, sarge is a debian release, so sarge will not always be in the testing state |
| 11:49.56 | Phated | when sarge releases, it won't be testing. |
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| 11:50.12 | Aronofsky | valdyn_, ok I get it |
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| 11:50.19 | valdyn_ | Aronofsky: currently "testing" is a symlink to sarge |
| 11:50.22 | simonrvn | @ops spammer may!~may@84-121-14-5.onocable.ono.com /server libres.irc-hispano.org |
| 11:50.23 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: spammer may!~may@84-121-14-5.onocable.ono.com /server libres.irc-hispano.org |
| 11:50.47 | Virtual | can I access the network to copy some files from other computers in the lan ? |
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| 11:51.10 | Aronofsky | valdyn_, and when sarge is expected to be released ? |
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| 11:51.30 | epicenter | I Deleted my apt cache (foolishly) by emptying /var/cache/apt/archives. and now, I get this error when I use apt and it doesn't work: "E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.". What should I do? |
| 11:51.38 | valdyn_ | Aronofsky: no idea, no one knows, i would guess 3 months |
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| 11:51.53 | Aronofsky | valdyn_, ok thx |
| 11:51.59 | peterS | epicenter: mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 11:52.05 | peterS | epicenter: that ought to fix it |
| 11:52.06 | epicenter | that's it? :P |
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| 11:52.17 | valdyn_ | Aronofsky: debians "stable" definition could be called pedantic, desktop users dont need a debian "stable" system, usually |
| 11:52.25 | peterS | epicenter: right. in the future, use 'apt-get clean' to clean out /var/cache/apt/archives (: |
| 11:52.31 | epicenter | thank you :) |
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| 11:52.56 | peterS | epicenter: or 'apt-get autoclean' which removes everything in there *except* downloaded packages corresponding to currently-installed versions |
| 11:53.08 | epicenter | ahh, ok |
| 11:53.11 | peterS | epicenter: autoclean is useful so you can 'apt-get install --reinstall' some package without re-downloading |
| 11:53.43 | pingouiin | someone have success with Nvidia driver + Debian Amd64 ? |
| 11:54.00 | Aronofsky | valdyn_, and is gnome 2.10 in unstable ? |
| 11:54.17 | Mage___ | not yet |
| 11:54.36 | valdyn_ | Aronofsky: partially only, i think few days till its in completely |
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| 11:55.08 | Aronofsky | valdyn_, I never try testing, is there really lot of probleme or is it safe ? |
| 11:55.16 | Aronofsky | I mean unstable |
| 11:55.31 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: amd64 has its own nvidia-glx package(s), works the same as in i386 |
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| 11:55.44 | BadMan | Stable desktop? You cant buy one that had M$ on it stable so what does it really matter if its stable other thanf or server purposes... |
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| 11:56.08 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: however nvidia.com's installer does not work at all. ( unmodified ) |
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| 11:56.25 | MobyTurbo | Aronofsky: it can be safe, or it can be problematic. Nothing is garanteed with unstable. Testing, on the other hand, is going to nearly always work OK, because packages have to be relatively bug-free to migrate from unstable to sarge. |
| 11:56.36 | pingouiin | valdyn_: sucess under i386, sarge, with installer, under 64 sarge , installer fail, packages fails |
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| 11:57.04 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: yea, as I said, dont even try nvidia.com's installer on amd64, though its ugly on both archs |
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| 11:57.24 | Aronofsky | what are you guys usin ( testing or unstable ) , |
| 11:57.32 | MobyTurbo | Aronofsky: testing |
| 11:57.50 | MobyTurbo | Aronofsky: though I'm thinking of migrating to sid |
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| 11:58.06 | pingouiin | valdyn_: is there a way to make the installer work under 64 b ? the package refuse to load the modules also |
| 11:58.15 | valdyn_ | Aronofsky: upgrading is rather easy, downgrading is very very hard |
| 11:58.17 | pingouiin | the debian package |
| 11:58.18 | MobyTurbo | brb |
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| 11:58.38 | Aronofsky | valdyn_, yeah that's what i was thinkin |
| 11:59.11 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: well, sure, but thats not worth the effort, debian provides nvidia packages for good reasosn |
| 11:59.20 | pingouiin | yeah but..i wont sucess in install them also |
| 11:59.31 | pingouiin | FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 11:59.39 | pingouiin | following the how to on alioth |
| 11:59.59 | valdyn_ | Aronofsky: sid is fine if you can afford your system to blow up at unpredictable times, "testing" should be way more stable than say fedora, or gentoo ( which imo compare to sid ) |
| 12:00.36 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.52 | raf256 | can I set different unix and different samba password for an user? |
| 12:00.52 | Aronofsky | valdyn_, and what can you do when your system blow ? |
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| 12:01.15 | drac | Aronofsky: if you have to ask, nothing. |
| 12:01.29 | CLI | Can anyone help me with a Game Pad! |
| 12:01.34 | CLI | Can anyone help me with a Game Pad? |
| 12:01.35 | Aronofsky | drac, lol, good answer I guess |
| 12:01.42 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep nvidia-kernel-" |
| 12:01.48 | raf256 | CLI: Mario Bross! |
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| 12:02.26 | valdyn_ | Aronofsky: that your favourite application suddenly doesnt work |
| 12:02.27 | CLI | What? raf256 |
| 12:02.35 | valdyn_ | Aronofsky: ( after an upgrade ) |
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| 12:02.53 | raf256 | CLI: I suppose mario bross could help ;) |
| 12:02.54 | pingouiin | valdyn_: ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.11.7-monkernel2.6.11.7 1.0.7174-2+10.00.Custom NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.11.7-monkernel2.6.11.7 |
| 12:03.30 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: uname -r |
| 12:03.31 | pingouiin | valdyn_: and the same for source and -common |
| 12:03.32 | CLI | Where can I find Mario Bross? |
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| 12:03.46 | pingouiin | valdyn_: 2.6.11.7 |
| 12:03.47 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: aye, dont care about the other 2 |
| 12:03.59 | Virtual | I installed samba, now how do I access computers from my network ? |
| 12:04.21 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: that doesnt fit with "monkernel2.6.11.7" |
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| 12:04.41 | minciue | Virtual smbclient |
| 12:04.55 | pingouiin | valdyn_: oh ok i'll try that |
| 12:05.06 | doublehp | whats snmp for ? |
| 12:05.17 | CLI | Can anyone help me with a Game Pad? |
| 12:05.24 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: look at /lib/modules/$(uname -r) versus /lib/modules/2.6.11.7-monkernel2.6.11.7 |
| 12:05.25 | CLI | ...I have a problem! |
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| 12:06.00 | doublehp | CLI: 42 |
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| 12:06.04 | Stereo | hiya |
| 12:06.16 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: either you are running the wrong kernel, or the right one doesnt even exist and contains only your nvidia module |
| 12:06.31 | CLI | doublehp, can you help me? |
| 12:06.42 | Stereo | I'm trying to write a sort of form letter with OOo. I want to replace stuff like $COMPANYNAME with an entry. Does anyone know where I can find a tutorial? |
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| 12:07.29 | raf256 | Retype new SMB password: |
| 12:07.29 | raf256 | machine 127.0.0.1 rejected the (anonymous) password change: Error was : Account disabled. |
| 12:07.30 | raf256 | Failed to change password for raf256 |
| 12:07.34 | raf256 | ...how to fix that? |
| 12:07.44 | pingouiin | valdyn_: i think i should not use the --append-to-version withou knowing what it doeas exactly ;) i've just copy/paste i'm trying without |
| 12:07.51 | CLI | Hy Granger! |
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| 12:07.53 | FieldySnuts | probaby better to ask #samba or the samba users mailing list |
| 12:08.20 | valdyn_ | pingouin: its simple, the _kernel_ must be compiled with the same append-to-version as the module |
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| 12:08.43 | soloflyer | raf256 add a smbuser then log in from the windows box using the smb account and |
| 12:08.43 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: otherwise the module will be ok but in the wrong place and with wrong version information |
| 12:09.00 | doublehp | CLI: no |
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| 12:09.51 | CLI | Do you know someone who can help me doublehp? |
| 12:10.16 | doublehp | no |
| 12:10.33 | valdyn_ | CLI: how the fuck should anyone know if he can help you? |
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| 12:10.58 | CLI | Don't piss me of valdyn_!! |
| 12:11.04 | fuchsto^PaC | i have some strange problem with apache-1.3 on debian sarge: /etc/init.d/apache start returns no error, apache/error.log is empty, but there is no apache process started |
| 12:11.05 | raf256 | !pissoff CLI |
| 12:11.08 | fuchsto^PaC | i apt-get installed typo3 before, which sighup'ed apache, and from this event on, logs are empty and it's impossible to start an apache process. |
| 12:11.09 | raf256 | !smite CLI |
| 12:11.12 | valdyn_ | !help CLI |
| 12:11.25 | raf256 | !abuse CLI |
| 12:11.27 | dpkg | CLI: Your type *really* makes me puke! |
| 12:11.44 | soloflyer | anyone know if ohhh dont piss of CLI he might use scream and shout at you |
| 12:12.36 | pingouiin | valdyn_: perfect, i've rm -rf /usr/src/modules , re-untar the nvidia-kernel-source, rebuild with make-kpkg --without-anything ;) that ok, i run them now, glxgears : 63010 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12602.000 FPS . I go to install amd64 Ut2k4 ;) thx ;) |
| 12:12.42 | CLI | I can sent you a virus soloflyer if I want , so don't pissmeoff! |
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| 12:12.54 | Stereo | CLI: can you send me a virus too please? |
| 12:13.07 | doublehp | CLI: oh please send me a virus : bp@demaine.info |
| 12:13.21 | doublehp | CLI: I d love having a virus under Linux |
| 12:13.25 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: why the hell rm -rf anything |
| 12:13.25 | raf256 | CLI: is tihs wirus wine compatible? |
| 12:13.28 | soloflyer | what did you do hex edit the i love you virus !!! :P |
| 12:13.36 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: thats supposed to be handled by installing and removing packages |
| 12:13.59 | Stereo | CLI: you are dumber than a strawberry. You make me sick you lollard. Your father was a hamster and your mother smelled of elderberries. I fart in your general direction. |
| 12:14.11 | soloflyer | lol |
| 12:14.12 | doublehp | valdyn_: I d prefer `badblocks -svw 4096 /dev/hda` <= fast, efficient. |
| 12:14.54 | raf256 | Stereo: shit, You made me split out some chips that I was eating while ROTFLing |
| 12:14.55 | valdyn_ | hehe |
| 12:14.56 | pingouiin | valdyn_: i'm a lamer ;) i rm -rf everything that i want to redo :/ i know i know.... |
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| 12:15.49 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: dpkg --purge the kernel and nvidia-kernel packages you no longer need, then that uglyness might be undone |
| 12:15.53 | pingouiin | valdyn_: any clue why the «evil» nvidia installer fails on amd64 Debian sarge, and i have NO troubles with them on my other Sarge «classic» 32 b to install them |
| 12:15.57 | MobyTurbo | pingouiin: that can be a very bad idea, debconf (apt's configurer) can sometimes not create new files if you delete them, thinking that you had a reason to delete them. |
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| 12:16.13 | Stereo | CLI: your dear one-legged dead dad dog should be digged up to act in a novelty peep show. You have no trousers and your fly is open. May scorpions eat out your eyeballs. Your village called, they want their idiot back |
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| 12:16.22 | Stereo | raf256: my apologies :) |
| 12:16.26 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: b/c that installer uses suses filesystem layout, which isnt a "real" amd64 layout |
| 12:16.39 | pingouiin | pff |
| 12:16.46 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: like /usr/lib64 instead of /usr/lib |
| 12:16.47 | Stereo | I hope I didn't make the kid cry :) |
| 12:16.50 | pingouiin | i've try suse 9.2 few days ago |
| 12:17.01 | pingouiin | i wont success to install those drivers also |
| 12:17.18 | valdyn_ | pingouiin: they use a i386 layout with extra amd64 directories |
| 12:17.26 | pingouiin | but i've discovered that the boot cd of suse 9.2 have memorytest on boot ;) |
| 12:18.00 | soloflyer | dam it i was waiting for the virus he was going to send me |
| 12:18.07 | raf256 | wtf damn windoze driver to my soundblaster use 220 MB ?! wtf did they put there, a fucking mpeg video of bill gates speach how windows is fast and slimmy? |
| 12:18.27 | pingouiin | valdyn_: ok, i'll not no more rm -rf ;) |
| 12:18.41 | valdyn_ | raf256: im not sure if bill gates owns creative labs, i doubt it however |
| 12:19.09 | minciue | but the driver is prolly made by M$ |
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| 12:22.47 | minciue | is there a way to c&p between 2 virtual terminals without gpm or a mouse at all? |
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| 12:23.06 | minciue | not that I think it is but it could prove usefull now and then |
| 12:23.11 | DaCa | minciue: yes, if you use screen |
| 12:23.16 | minciue | oh |
| 12:23.19 | minciue | hmmm |
| 12:23.24 | minciue | i've never really gotten the hang of that |
| 12:24.51 | DaCa | minciue: thats a shame |
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| 12:25.33 | boukensya | hey guys. some reason voices don't play (extreemly low and crackly) when playing video or songs. The music and other stuff is ok though. |
| 12:26.01 | BadMan | DaCa: in his defence there is a lot of crap to remember when suing screen hehe, I guess the first one should get down is the switching between virtual terminals.. leave man screen open hehe |
| 12:26.37 | Isil`Zha | i tried to downgrade my mysql server from 4.1 (dotdeb.org) to the stable version 3.23. it then tells me it's setting it up, stopping it and then it fails to start the server. when i now check the mysql servers` version it tells me it still is 4.1... :/ |
| 12:27.14 | minciue | I think I'll print it :) |
| 12:27.29 | BadMan | minciue: yeah that probably wouldnt hurt |
| 12:27.42 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: you'll lose all your data if you do that |
| 12:27.44 | DaCa | BadMan: well, its a powertool, the same can be said about most powertools |
| 12:27.52 | minciue | woaah it's huge |
| 12:27.53 | minciue | :D |
| 12:27.54 | BadMan | oh I absolutely agree |
| 12:27.56 | Isil`Zha | bob2: i backed them up |
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| 12:28.24 | BadMan | like I said if one gets teh virtual screen switching down, they can leave the man open on another virtual and use it at will ... |
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| 12:28.31 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: then purge mysql-server and install it again |
| 12:28.43 | Isil`Zha | i just can't get rid of this error: "Symbol `sql_protocol_typelib' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking" and i hoped this could be the way to fix it... |
| 12:28.43 | bob2 | after removing the dotdeb thing from your sources.list |
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| 12:28.50 | Virtual | is there anyway to see the computers in my workgroup ? |
| 12:29.01 | quitte | i forgot which command waits for a process to finish and then runs the given command. what is it? |
| 12:29.10 | Isil`Zha | bob2: i can't since i still want to have php5 |
| 12:29.11 | minciue | Virtual: smbtree |
| 12:29.17 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: ... |
| 12:29.26 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: so you reinstalled mysql 4.1 then? |
| 12:29.26 | valdyn_ | Virtual: smbtree |
| 12:29.28 | minciue | you could also get some cute gui stuff like Gnome 2.6+ |
| 12:29.33 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: or did you tell apt to get 3.23? |
| 12:29.35 | BadMan | thought that was smbclient to see those... |
| 12:29.46 | minciue | smbclient connects to them |
| 12:29.50 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: but, really, as I suggested last night, you should just email whoever made the packages |
| 12:29.54 | minciue | smbtree shows the workgroup |
| 12:29.54 | BadMan | oh |
| 12:29.56 | Isil`Zha | bob2: i could try to purge as u said. might be it helps already. i just can't rtemove the dotdeb from the sources |
| 12:29.57 | BadMan | odh |
| 12:30.07 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: sure you can remove it |
| 12:30.10 | BadMan | er Doh! |
| 12:30.37 | Isil`Zha | bob2: if i would i would loose php5 which i got from there too. and i don't want that... |
| 12:30.55 | Isil`Zha | bob2: do you really think it's important to have it removed from the sorces? |
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| 12:31.02 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: lord |
| 12:31.16 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: a) removing it has no impact on the php5 package you have installed |
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| 12:31.38 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: b) if you just keep typing 'apt-get install mysql-server' with it in your sources.list, you'll just keep reinstalling 4.1 |
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| 12:31.53 | bob2 | so get rid of the sources.list line or tell apt to get 3.23 |
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| 12:32.07 | bob2 | (hint: apt-get install mysql-server=3.23.blahblah) |
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| 12:32.30 | Isil`Zha | bob2: i told it to 'apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server/stable' |
| 12:32.51 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: and what version did apt say it would get? |
| 12:33.01 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: also, you'll almost certainly need to purge mysql-server first |
| 12:33.16 | Isil`Zha | "Preparing to replace mysql-server 3.23.49-8.9 (using [...]" |
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| 12:33.37 | Isil`Zha | sorry the using part is important ^^ : /mysql-server_3.23.49-8.9_i386.deb) ... |
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| 12:33.47 | bob2 | so it installed 3.23 |
| 12:34.00 | nachtwind | hi |
| 12:34.08 | Isil`Zha | it doesn't seem like since it still tells me it's 4.1 :/ |
| 12:34.22 | bob2 | "it"? |
| 12:34.29 | bob2 | *what* says you're using 4.1? |
| 12:34.32 | Isil`Zha | mysql -V = it |
| 12:34.39 | bob2 | indee |
| 12:34.40 | bob2 | d |
| 12:34.44 | bob2 | since that's the client stuff |
| 12:34.51 | bob2 | you'll need to downgrade that as well |
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| 12:35.30 | Isil`Zha | oh right... sorry... |
| 12:35.38 | bob2 | mysql-client, iirc |
| 12:35.38 | Isil`Zha | thanks a lot |
| 12:35.44 | bob2 | np |
| 12:35.50 | bob2 | sorry for sounding like a dick |
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| 12:36.22 | nachtwind | may I interrupt you? I would like to know if there is someone who might tell me how it should be possible to make a client running debian with gnome to connect and logon onto a Domain (PDC running Samba) |
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| 12:36.31 | nachtwind | i wasnt able to find anything with google/altavista |
| 12:36.44 | bob2 | altavista still exists? heh. |
| 12:36.52 | bodq | nachtwind: samba-howto perhaps |
| 12:36.53 | FieldySnuts | i doubt you'll find such specific info here, you might want to ask #samba or better yet join one of their mailing lists |
| 12:36.59 | bodq | nachtwind: /usr/share/doc/samba/ also |
| 12:37.13 | nachtwind | hm |
| 12:37.20 | nachtwind | isnt samba just a server? |
| 12:37.24 | bob2 | yes |
| 12:37.28 | bob2 | samba is not what you'd use |
| 12:37.30 | nachtwind | like active directories in windows? |
| 12:37.35 | bob2 | presumably you mean PAM and NSS |
| 12:37.37 | nachtwind | thats what i thought |
| 12:37.45 | nachtwind | never heard of them |
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| 12:37.56 | bodq | nachtwind: perhaps you could get info about client side in samba docs |
| 12:37.57 | bob2 | libpam-smbpass - pluggable authentication module for SMB password database |
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| 12:38.08 | bodq | nachtwind: at least that's where I would look for info |
| 12:38.30 | nachtwind | i read almost everything in the documentation as well as 3 books about it |
| 12:38.42 | nachtwind | but they all mention heterogens networks wit hWinNT/2k/XP clients only |
| 12:39.08 | Mage___ | nachtwind: you want a PDC ? |
| 12:39.17 | abrocadabro | nachtwind: by login into a domain, you imply roam profile apply? |
| 12:39.18 | orhen | hei,i'm new to Debian ,and I wanna play chess ,should I download gnome-chess? |
| 12:39.24 | nachtwind | no, the PDC runns smoothly (with 2k CLients) but i need a Linux Client |
| 12:39.28 | nachtwind | running Ubuntu/Debian |
| 12:39.39 | nachtwind | abrocadabro, yep |
| 12:39.46 | bodq | nachtwind: google 'samba pdc "linux client"' perhaps :) |
| 12:39.48 | nachtwind | exactly this |
| 12:39.58 | bob2 | nachtwind: you need to define "login". if you mean "use SMB to authenticate users", then look at the package descript I pasted |
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| 12:40.17 | abrocadabro | nachtwind: you might just want mount you /home from the samba server |
| 12:40.25 | NiggaScientist | Holla back, y'all ! |
| 12:40.29 | scarynetworkguy | First hit off of google. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/ch10_04.html |
| 12:40.39 | Mage___ | nachtwind: did you try rdesktop / grdesktop ? |
| 12:40.52 | nachtwind | mage: dont know these two commands |
| 12:40.59 | nachtwind | i am fairly new to such things in linux |
| 12:41.01 | bodq | scarynetworkguy: umm |
| 12:41.16 | NiggaScientist | nachtwind: Dat be ok mofo honky |
| 12:41.17 | bodq | scarynetworkguy: what's that? nothing interesting as it looks to me |
| 12:41.25 | abrocadabro | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.27 | Mage___ | rdesktop is a RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server |
| 12:41.32 | Mage___ | grdesktop is the gnome version |
| 12:41.53 | Mage___ | but if you just want to browse your shares, there are plenty of tools to do that |
| 12:42.03 | nachtwind | but thats not what i want |
| 12:42.06 | Jarjarbinkz | nachtwind: where my dogz at ? w00f ! |
| 12:42.12 | nachtwind | and therefore the link does not comply to what i look for |
| 12:42.23 | nachtwind | i wanted to make this roaming profiles thing in linux |
| 12:42.29 | scarynetworkguy | bodq: Samba client configuration. |
| 12:42.37 | Mage___ | roaming profiles in linux ?? |
| 12:42.41 | bob2 | nachtwind: "roaming profiles" in linux = nfs + ldap |
| 12:42.50 | bob2 | no need to fuck around with proprietary crap |
| 12:42.54 | bodq | scarynetworkguy: i can't see the 'configuration' thing there :) |
| 12:43.02 | abrocadabro | nachtwind: not sure if it suits your need, in our computer labs, every computer has roaming profile on debian, they use nfs shares as each user's home directory |
| 12:43.06 | bodq | scarynetworkguy: also it doesn't relate to his actual question |
| 12:43.06 | nachtwind | i need an LDAP? |
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| 12:43.13 | bob2 | nachtwind: er |
| 12:43.20 | Mage___ | nachtwind: the best way is to install autofs-ldap |
| 12:43.22 | bob2 | nachtwind: did you read about the package I mentioned or not? |
| 12:43.27 | bob2 | Mage___: gah |
| 12:43.28 | nachtwind | not yet |
| 12:43.32 | bob2 | nachtwind: then do so |
| 12:43.36 | scarynetworkguy | bodq: The title of the fucking chapter is Samba Client Configuration and Use. Are you retarted? |
| 12:43.37 | Mage___ | bob2: gah ? :p |
| 12:43.42 | bob2 | nachtwind: you use that to authenticate |
| 12:43.46 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: dude |
| 12:43.49 | Jarjarbinkz | Red licorice and Pepsi : American poison |
| 12:44.01 | Jarjarbinkz | Red licorice and Coke : American poison |
| 12:44.09 | bodq | scarynetworkguy: titles often suck. go read it and don't be a moron |
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| 12:44.29 | bodq | scarynetworkguy: you're not being helpful |
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| 12:45.13 | raf256 | !smite @cpe-204-210-133-72.hvc.res.rr.com |
| 12:45.24 | nachtwind | hm |
| 12:45.27 | bodq | nachtwind: still there? |
| 12:45.28 | nachtwind | i just read about libpam-smbpass |
| 12:45.30 | nachtwind | yes |
| 12:45.49 | bodq | nachtwind: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2004-July/089756.html , don't know what it gives, try reading the manual :) |
| 12:46.00 | Mage___ | nachtwind: it's better to use LDAP |
| 12:46.08 | raf256 | wtf is a LDAP |
| 12:46.09 | raf256 | !ldap |
| 12:46.10 | dpkg | somebody said ldap was Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
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| 12:46.36 | nachtwind | but for using LDAP i would need to set up a whole new server, right? |
| 12:46.42 | minciue | the bot can define shit? |
| 12:46.51 | raf256 | !shit |
| 12:46.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 12:46.53 | bodq | nachtwind: right |
| 12:46.58 | minciue | hahaha |
| 12:47.02 | bob2 | raf256: please stop doing that |
| 12:47.05 | bob2 | Mage___: dude |
| 12:47.22 | raf256 | !stop |
| 12:47.23 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
| 12:47.28 | raf256 | well ok if You both say so |
| 12:47.32 | Mage___ | bob2: ? |
| 12:47.32 | bob2 | Mage___: did you read the beginning where nachtwind explained how he wanted to have Linux machines authenticating against windows? |
| 12:47.47 | Mage___ | mmh no, I just come in the middle of the conversation |
| 12:47.56 | bob2 | raf256: #debian-bots, if you insist on bothering dpkg |
| 12:48.05 | nachtwind | hmm... we were sitting there for aprox. 24 hours in a time configuring our Server as well as our clients for this system. therefore i think that i will be beheaded if i try to tell them to do everything again ;) |
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| 12:48.18 | raf256 | bob2: but then I wont irritate rest of the channel :( |
| 12:48.40 | streuner_ | raf256: please use the advice of bob2 and don't flood the channel with such crap, thanks. |
| 12:48.44 | Mage___ | raf256: lawl@#!lawal@"! |
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| 12:48.49 | bob2 | raf256: just because it's sunday, doesn't mean you *have* to be annoying |
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| 12:49.07 | trust | Hey there, any idea if it's safe to use ctrl+c to stop fsck when it's scanning? |
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| 12:49.24 | nachtwind | net rpc join -W <domainname> -U Administrator%<password> |
| 12:49.24 | raf256 | trust: if in read-only mode then perhaps yes... with FS? |
| 12:49.28 | nachtwind | this looks quite promising |
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| 12:50.18 | trust | raf256, I don't think it's in read-only mode. and the partition I'm scanning is ext2 if that is what you meant |
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| 12:50.40 | nachtwind | but would that be like in windows? When once joined everyone logons into the domin? |
| 12:50.44 | bodq | nachtwind: I guess it will only list you on the server |
| 12:50.49 | bodq | nachtwind: is it what you want? |
| 12:50.58 | bodq | nachtwind: or do you need password authentification? |
| 12:51.00 | bob2 | nachtwind: you need to narrow down what you mean by "logon"? |
| 12:51.45 | nachtwind | i want the users to logon into the domain by using given usernames and passwords. once logoned they should get their files, profiles etc. from the server, regardless on which computer they work (roaming profiles) |
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| 12:52.00 | bob2 | I really doubt that's possible |
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| 12:52.24 | BadMan | bob2: it is, I remember seeing that in the samba docs a WHILE back |
| 12:52.28 | nachtwind | In windows you need to join the domain and set windows to "Domain logon" from that forward each user is athenticated to the server and gets his home directory for saving his profile... |
| 12:52.40 | nachtwind | bob2 it is possible |
| 12:52.47 | nachtwind | we have this system at the university |
| 12:52.48 | trust | well |
| 12:52.53 | BadMan | and they even gave sample scripts |
| 12:53.05 | bob2 | use nfs or something |
| 12:53.06 | nachtwind | but noone there is going to help me, because they thinki that this is a piece of cake everyone can do |
| 12:53.10 | trust | is it possible to write a script to synch the usernames and pws? |
| 12:53.16 | satchmo | the new version of samba is working well with roaming profiles |
| 12:53.18 | tchino | what is wrong by login kde on debian-sarge, i have upgrade yesterday |
| 12:53.20 | BadMan | nachtwind: I suggest you talk to the guys in #samba, they would be able to point you in the right direction... |
| 12:53.38 | nachtwind | well, i will give it a try |
| 12:53.54 | nachtwind | if it doesnt work i will have to remove linux from the clients until we fix that :/ |
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| 12:57.09 | nydust | what is the best mail server app? qmail, sendmail or postfix? |
| 12:57.22 | brrrt | postfix |
| 12:57.24 | bob2 | you mean MTA? out of those 3, I'd certainly recommend postfix. |
| 12:57.27 | minciue | i've found postfix the easiest to configure |
| 12:57.29 | valdyn_ | !start an mta war |
| 12:57.29 | dpkg | qmail is hard to configure |
| 12:57.30 | minciue | and it works great |
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| 12:57.44 | bob2 | qmail is non-free and has terrible defaults, and sendmail is pretty non-simple for non-experts |
| 12:57.55 | abrocadabro | nachtwind: try to read samba manual chapter 4 |
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| 12:58.06 | tchino | hello, has someone get problems in login-kde under upgrading kde of sarge!!! |
| 12:58.15 | brrrt | postfix is "the IBM mailserver" even included in mac osx, isnt it? |
| 12:58.46 | nachtwind | abrocadabro, I read through this again and agin the last nights... hm |
| 12:58.49 | ctd | brrrt: Don't know about it having anything to do with IBM, but it does ship with OSX 10.3, yes. |
| 12:58.54 | nachtwind | maybe i see something new after sleeping some bit |
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| 12:59.14 | abrocadabro | nachtwind: what's the title you read under chapter 4? |
| 12:59.28 | bob2 | brrrt: it was written by a dude who happend to work at ibm, yeah |
| 12:59.32 | bob2 | tchino: try #debian-kde |
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| 12:59.43 | nydust | thanks, then i go for postfix |
| 12:59.44 | nachtwind | Domain Control |
| 12:59.56 | tchino | bob2: there nobody anserwd |
| 13:00.39 | abrocadabro | nachtwind: in my version it's called windows NT domain, but it tells you how to setup samba as PDC and implementing roaming profiles |
| 13:01.31 | nachtwind | hm |
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| 13:01.35 | brrrt | bob2: and i think postfix has a IBM GPL |
| 13:01.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an mta war |
| 13:01.47 | ravenbird | sendmail owns |
| 13:01.55 | bob2 | it has a special IBM license, yeah |
| 13:01.59 | nachtwind | the server is set up and is running roaming profiles when using windows 2000 workstations, but i dont know how to join a workgroup with linux |
| 13:02.00 | bob2 | but it;s dfsg-free |
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| 13:02.11 | brrrt | :) |
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| 13:02.37 | abrocadabro | nachtwind: oh you can write emails to canberra linux user group, the author of samba andrew tridgell reads the mailing list |
| 13:02.49 | bob2 | abrocadabro: NO |
| 13:02.50 | brrrt | i love the combination of postfix + amavisd-new + clamav + spamassassin :) |
| 13:02.50 | nydust | oki, i am quite new at this.. I have a domain name, and a sttatic ip from my isp. today we have outsorced the service to www.web10.dk but its not working any good, what do i need on the server part to get all inhouse? |
| 13:02.51 | bob2 | I will beat you |
| 13:02.53 | bob2 | so very har |
| 13:02.55 | bob2 | d |
| 13:03.16 | bob2 | CLUG is my lug, and the list gets way too many emails from idiots around the world asking for help with samba |
| 13:03.21 | bob2 | if you want samba help, use the samba lists |
| 13:03.39 | abrocadabro | bob2: fair enough |
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| 13:03.58 | bob2 | abrocadabro: please don't give such terrible advice to anyone else ever again |
| 13:04.09 | BadMan | nachtwind: the samba docs are excellent in a couple of minute I was looking at ahttp://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/samba-pdc.html#id2537993 |
| 13:04.15 | BadMan | er http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/samba-pdc.html#id2537993 |
| 13:04.53 | abrocadabro | bob2: absolutely, just wanna help |
| 13:05.00 | bob2 | abrocadabro: thanks |
| 13:05.11 | bob2 | the samba help list is on the same server as the clug list, unfortunately |
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| 13:05.47 | nachtwind | badman: this tells me how to set up the pdc |
| 13:05.51 | nachtwind | but this is already done |
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| 13:06.00 | nachtwind | i need only to know the client side configuration |
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| 13:08.13 | BadMan | nachtwind: win clients or mixed? |
| 13:08.59 | nachtwind | mixed |
| 13:09.02 | nachtwind | win is working |
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| 13:09.45 | FieldySnuts | @lart win |
| 13:10.19 | streuner_ | nachtwind: are you using ubuntu? |
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| 13:10.42 | abrocadabro | nachtwind: different login only results in different files in Document and settings? |
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| 13:11.10 | raf256 | !span me |
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| 13:11.16 | raf256 | !spank me |
| 13:11.22 | raf256 | wow thats greate \o/ |
| 13:11.26 | BadMan | nachtwind: give this a look and see if it mayhelp you http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/unixclients.html#id2583287 |
| 13:11.46 | raf256 | I wonder, how to nowdays directX 9 games work in linux? |
| 13:11.52 | raf256 | any chance to run SWAT 4? |
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| 13:12.33 | raf256 | !smite SWAT 4 authors for not making linux native OpenGL version, but using lame directX |
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| 13:12.48 | BadMan | raf256: there is a x item you can buy to be able to play directx9 type games onlinux |
| 13:13.00 | FieldySnuts | @hump closed functions |
| 13:13.02 | raf256 | BadMan: this Cenega program? |
| 13:13.14 | BadMan | raf256: that dont sound right |
| 13:13.24 | raf256 | interesting |
| 13:13.39 | BadMan | xinerama maybe...? I don't really recall... |
| 13:13.40 | raf256 | that would be a good reason to finaly say FUCK OFF MOTHER FUCKERS to microsoft |
| 13:13.54 | BadMan | I rember finding it.. |
| 13:14.00 | flavius | cedega ? |
| 13:14.15 | raf256 | why linux dudes dont concentrate efforts and make a _really_ good directX emulator? |
| 13:14.32 | raf256 | cedega runs all (most?) DX apps? including DX 9 with advanced shaders and shit? |
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| 13:14.38 | BadMan | thats it transgaming was the outfit |
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| 13:15.13 | BadMan | http://www.transgaming.com/ |
| 13:16.04 | raf256 | !blow my new SB 24 bit sound card, it rocks \o/ |
| 13:16.25 | BadMan | maybe it was free I dont know, just sounded like a pain |
| 13:16.44 | streuner_ | raf256: dude, you are not only annoying, you didn't take any advice. |
| 13:17.07 | raf256 | streuner_: not quite right, I took the advices and do the opposite \i/ |
| 13:17.20 | streuner_ | raf256: well, play with the bot in #debian-bots |
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| 13:21.20 | FieldySnuts | @botabuse |
| 13:22.02 | pwned | when I remove a program using apt-get remove, its dependancies (shared objects, etc) are not removed. Is there way of removing those if nothing else depends on them? |
| 13:22.22 | streuner | pwned: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 13:23.06 | pwned | that should work, thanks streuner |
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| 13:28.18 | pwned | wow. So much useless dev stuff I forgot about |
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| 13:30.07 | cbr | does knoppix have apt-get? |
| 13:30.15 | pwned | cbr: yes |
| 13:30.22 | cbr | thanks |
| 13:30.23 | drac | cbr: no |
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| 13:30.30 | drac | #knoppix would know. |
| 13:30.35 | pwned | the one I used had apt-get .. |
| 13:30.37 | cbr | uhm.. |
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| 13:31.26 | joeymonster | it feels to me like tail has stopped following logs when they rotate :/ |
| 13:31.51 | streuner | sure thing |
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| 13:32.38 | Tamy | !list |
| 13:32.39 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
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| 13:33.14 | Mage___ | krkrkr |
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| 13:34.50 | simonrvn | dumbass... |
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| 13:37.06 | streuner | apt, test |
| 13:37.07 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 13:37.38 | minciue | ? |
| 13:37.46 | minciue | what's the test? |
| 13:38.18 | streuner | minciue: only a joke :-) |
| 13:38.22 | minciue | apt, test |
| 13:38.23 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 13:38.24 | minciue | :D |
| 13:38.27 | minciue | ic |
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| 13:39.52 | streuner | What's the command to print stuff to /dev/lp0? |
| 13:39.58 | minciue | lp ? |
| 13:40.02 | streuner | to test the printer |
| 13:40.05 | minciue | lptest |
| 13:40.06 | minciue | i think |
| 13:40.31 | minciue | nope .. not it |
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| 13:41.38 | minciue | if you have cups set up you can print test pages from its webpage |
| 13:41.57 | minciue | http://localhost:631 |
| 13:42.49 | streuner | won't work |
| 13:42.53 | poser | how can I tell if I have a working framebuffer device? |
| 13:43.13 | Anders1 | poser: you see a high resolution console? ;p |
| 13:43.18 | ed__ | poser: XF86Config, device FBDev |
| 13:43.30 | Anders1 | or, you use X |
| 13:44.01 | ed__ | poser: i think theres a command line tune for fb console, fdset i think |
| 13:44.04 | kn0t | poser: maybe try to start up links2 -g. If you DON'T have it, or don't have it set up, it will tell you |
| 13:44.07 | poser | I'm in X right now.. but I don't think it is working |
| 13:44.25 | ed__ | x or the fb? |
| 13:44.30 | poser | it says open /dev/fd0: No souch file or directory |
| 13:44.35 | poser | fb |
| 13:44.46 | ed__ | poser: thats floppy drive |
| 13:44.46 | drac | cat /proc/fb |
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| 13:45.07 | poser | drac: nothing |
| 13:45.12 | drac | so you don't have it. |
| 13:45.21 | streuner | !lart streuner for using his custom kernel without parport... |
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| 13:45.30 | streuner | DOH |
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| 13:45.55 | ed__ | kn0t: links2 -g !!! phat, loving it! |
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| 13:46.01 | streuner | minciue: thanks, that pointing me in the right direction. |
| 13:46.10 | daffy-pkf_ | lo |
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| 13:46.54 | DaCa | streuner: well, maybe you wanted to get rid of the dreaded 'spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7.' message :) |
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| 13:48.22 | kn0t | ed__ yes, it's great... I love it too |
| 13:49.11 | raf256 | DaCa: btw, what is with this message? |
| 13:49.19 | raf256 | spurious ... IRQ |
| 13:49.27 | raf256 | I also sometimes get it |
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| 13:50.09 | streuner | DaCa: :-P |
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| 13:52.29 | hkais | hello |
| 13:52.39 | mijndert | Hi. Yesterday I upgraded my server from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 but I'm not happy with it. How can I downgrade to 2.4 ? |
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| 13:53.06 | joeymonster | if the kernel is still in /boot, then just edit your lilo.conf |
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| 13:53.30 | hkais | or instead of your lilo your menu.lst |
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| 13:53.38 | mijndert | joeymonster, can I downgrade using APT ? |
| 13:53.43 | madmax | guys, i start gkrellm and enlightenment with x.. but when i do a logout in enlightenment x stays open due to gkrellm.. when i quit krellm x quits too.. how to change that? |
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| 13:54.21 | joeymonster | mijndert, kernels are separate packages, so no, just install the one you need then select it |
| 13:54.31 | foobar | hey |
| 13:54.39 | mijndert | ah ok :) thanks |
| 13:54.45 | messju | hi, how can i convert an ext3 filesystem to an ext2 filesystem? |
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| 13:54.52 | biggi_mat | cfdisk ? |
| 13:54.58 | foobar | messju: just remove the journal |
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| 13:55.14 | etzerd | Hello room |
| 13:55.20 | foobar | lol |
| 13:55.32 | pwned | messju: you can try convertfs |
| 13:55.33 | foobar | hey dr nick |
| 13:55.42 | joeymonster | madmax, find where they are called from. maybe one is &-ed. put the & on the other |
| 13:55.52 | etzerd | I'm new to Debian, I'm using ubuntu I like to know if there is a grand difference between the two |
| 13:55.56 | foobar | messju: have a look at man tune2fs |
| 13:55.57 | joeymonster | madmax, mayb be in your .xinitrc or somewhere in /etc/X11 |
| 13:56.03 | messju | i tried "tune2fs -O ^has_journal" that didn't work for me :( |
| 13:56.09 | hkais | i have a porblem after each upgrade of my sarge. I get following error |
| 13:56.09 | hkais | CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2222 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `group_name != NULL' failed |
| 13:56.09 | hkais | does anybody knows there to look? |
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| 13:56.14 | debian_ | Hello |
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| 13:56.40 | joeymonster | messju, in your /etc/fstab, change mount options from ext3 to ext2 |
| 13:56.52 | debian_ | I'm having trouble with my Alsa sound config. Is there any way I can go back to OSS temporarily, or revert my ALSA settings back to what they would have been on install? |
| 13:56.58 | foobar | messju: you have to do a -f |
| 13:57.01 | madmax | joeymonster, my .xsessions file: enlightenment & gkrellm |
| 13:57.01 | foobar | to force it |
| 13:57.10 | joeymonster | madmax, swap them around |
| 13:57.13 | madmax | k |
| 13:57.13 | ep | i installed nptdate, it runs when I boot. Which script file might it be in? |
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| 13:57.34 | foobar | messju: yeah or do what joeymonster says, that way it will just act like an ext2 |
| 13:57.41 | pwned | madmax: you mean enlightenment && gkrellm ? |
| 13:57.48 | foobar | ep /etc/init.d/ntpdate |
| 13:57.48 | joeymonster | ep, dpkg -L ntpdate | grep init.d |
| 13:57.56 | pwned | the & would be rather odd |
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| 13:58.28 | messju | foobar: -f worked! many thanks! :))) |
| 13:58.30 | joeymonster | pwned, he wants to start both at the same time, so one has to background |
| 13:58.34 | foobar | messju: n/p |
| 13:58.44 | etzerd | can someone tell me how to play dvd in debian? |
| 13:58.55 | madmax | pwned, no.. only one & |
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| 13:59.21 | joeymonster | etzerd, try xine or gmplayer |
| 13:59.24 | madmax | whats a good programm to view all pictures in one dir in a slideshow? |
| 13:59.26 | pwned | mkay |
| 13:59.46 | messju | madmax: i think gqview |
| 13:59.53 | madmax | thx :) |
| 14:00.00 | etzerd | joeymonster: they are not there yet first I like to know how to get these file like libdvdcss |
| 14:00.05 | foobar | etzerd: /msg apt mplayer |
| 14:00.33 | hkais | CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2222 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `group_name != NULL' failed |
| 14:00.34 | hkais | nobody here with similar problems with apt-get upgrade? |
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| 14:01.04 | debian_ | exit |
| 14:01.08 | debian_ | Woops, sorry |
| 14:01.10 | foobar | lol |
| 14:01.11 | foobar | classic |
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| 14:01.57 | DaCa | madmax: qiv or feh |
| 14:01.58 | etzerd | how can I edit the sources.list? |
| 14:02.11 | Petro | nano /etc/apt/sources.list as root |
| 14:02.13 | drac | etzerd: $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:09.02 | khanman | is there a tool for debian that will let me convert the audio from a real audio file to an mp3 ? |
| 14:09.12 | trc | mplayer |
| 14:09.18 | Marticus | is there a program that produces ascii text from pdf or from ps? |
| 14:09.22 | trc | mencode, more exact |
| 14:09.48 | findme | marcel_, a2ps |
| 14:09.52 | zinx | Marticus: yes |
| 14:10.00 | Marticus | findme, the other way around |
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| 14:10.16 | Marticus | zinx do you know the name of one? |
| 14:10.18 | zinx | Marticus: /usr/bin/{ps,pdf}to* |
| 14:10.34 | minciue | pdftotext |
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| 14:10.43 | revenger1 | is it possible to build a virtual filesystem on top of 2 files which are splitted up? |
| 14:10.45 | minciue | i use it too sometimes |
| 14:10.50 | trc | marticus: pstotext - Extract text from PostScript and PDF files |
| 14:10.52 | findme | marcel_, pstotext |
| 14:10.59 | websdale | Wyzard: if you're listening, thanks for your suggestions last night, I solved my Glib memory alloc problem :) |
| 14:11.05 | tecnovm | hi everybody, i was trying to install debian sarge but, the problem is that this box has a sis 900 net card, and the debian installer doesnt detect it |
| 14:11.12 | pastix | join/ #linucie |
| 14:11.16 | findme | Marticus, pstotext |
| 14:11.16 | tecnovm | is there any way to enable it? |
| 14:11.34 | findme | Marticus, just do apt-cache search pdf |
| 14:11.39 | minciue | you have to do a modprobe |
| 14:11.46 | Marticus | hrm |
| 14:12.01 | Marticus | minciue: thanks, that is part of xpdf-tools |
| 14:12.04 | tecnovm | ? |
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| 14:12.19 | Marticus | for the others, thank you as well |
| 14:12.19 | drac | tecnovm: tried booting with 'linux26' ? |
| 14:12.27 | tecnovm | drac, yeah |
| 14:12.44 | drac | tecnovm: then maybe 'expert26' and find it manually there, if it's there. |
| 14:13.00 | minciue | modprobe sis900 |
| 14:13.01 | minciue | ? |
| 14:13.10 | tecnovm | at the boot? |
| 14:13.15 | minciue | no right now |
| 14:13.22 | streuner | What could that be, i start a print page in http://localhost:631, but i got no active job? |
| 14:13.32 | minciue | you can add it to /etc/modules |
| 14:13.36 | Marticus | pstotext req1uires defoma gs gs-common gsfonts libgimpprint1 |
| 14:13.38 | minciue | to have it automatically inserted at startup |
| 14:13.44 | tecnovm | ahhhhhhh ok |
| 14:13.47 | tecnovm | thanks |
| 14:14.04 | minciue | you could also install discover or hotplug or something that looks for hardware |
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| 14:14.19 | tecnovm | good i-ll install it |
| 14:14.58 | drac | minciue: he's installing sarge, like booting from install cd.. what are you talking about? |
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| 14:16.38 | minciue | isn't there a console |
| 14:16.41 | minciue | if you press alt+f2 |
| 14:16.44 | minciue | or something |
| 14:16.46 | minciue | during the install? |
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| 14:17.33 | xbal | hola |
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| 14:18.01 | minciue | plus why would you need the network card during the install |
| 14:18.01 | aardvark | !es |
| 14:18.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:18.28 | drac | minciue: hmm, i was thinking about netinstall but nevermind. |
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| 14:18.46 | minciue | you can do that after installing the base |
| 14:18.50 | minciue | and modprobe then |
| 14:19.14 | xbal | hola a todos alguien me puede esplicar como funciona esto |
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| 14:25.00 | chefkoch | how do i apt-get turck-mmcache under debian sarge? |
| 14:25.51 | valdyn | !info turck-mmcache sarge |
| 14:26.25 | chefkoch | what does it mean |
| 14:26.25 | valdyn | !why is turck-mmcache not in testing |
| 14:26.26 | dpkg | turck-mmcache is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=turck-mmcache |
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| 14:26.49 | TecnoVM | erm... |
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| 14:26.58 | TecnoVM | modprobe sis900 doesnt work |
| 14:27.01 | chefkoch | right, di i need to compile it by myself? |
| 14:27.18 | mwilson | chefkoch: Do you want it? |
| 14:27.18 | valdyn | !tell chefkoch about simple sid backport |
| 14:27.35 | valdyn | chefkoch: read the reasons listed, they might be grave for you or might not |
| 14:27.53 | chefkoch | of cause. i had it on my previous server and it worked great! |
| 14:28.08 | mwilson | chefkoch: Is it in Sarge? |
| 14:28.16 | streuner | What could that be, i start a print page in http://localhost:631, but i got no active job? |
| 14:28.34 | streuner | parallel Laser printer using CUPS |
| 14:28.37 | mwilson | streuner: "start a print page"? |
| 14:28.39 | valdyn | streuner: /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 14:28.41 | streuner | test page |
| 14:29.08 | chefkoch | no, it ins not. of cause the reasons listed on the page. |
| 14:29.10 | TecnoVM | does anybody knows why my ethernet card (sis 900) isnt detected by the debian installer?, modprobe sis900 doesnt work too |
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| 14:29.23 | mwilson | chefkoch: Then you've answered your own question, haven't you? |
| 14:29.28 | drac | TecnoVM: booted with 'expert26' allready and tried loading it manually? |
| 14:29.30 | valdyn | !find sis900 |
| 14:29.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sis900' (4 of 56): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/net/sis900.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k6/kernel/drivers/net/sis900.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/kernel/drivers/net/sis900.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/sis900.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386. |
| 14:29.48 | chefkoch | i think so. but cant i take the package from the sid? |
| 14:29.48 | mwilson | streuner: Perhaps it's already sent it by the time you get back to the status page. Have you looked at completed jobs? |
| 14:29.49 | streuner | I [10/Apr/2005:16:10:23 +0200] Started "/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi" (pid=787 |
| 14:29.51 | TecnoVM | oh, expert26 i forgot it |
| 14:30.04 | mwilson | chefkoch: No. |
| 14:30.05 | xbal | hola a todos |
| 14:30.07 | TecnoVM | ok ill try it now |
| 14:30.14 | valdyn | TecnoVM: i assume you are current running / install with a 2.4.x kernel, where it does not seem to exist |
| 14:30.21 | chefkoch | ok, then i have to do it my way. thx. |
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| 14:30.33 | xbal | alguien me puede alludar de como entrar en debian en castellaano |
| 14:30.38 | mwilson | "His" way. That should be entertaining. |
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| 14:31.06 | valdyn | chefkoch: dpkg told you how to get it from sid |
| 14:31.17 | streuner | mwilson: yep, there are a bunch of 'completed job', but it didn't print anything |
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| 14:32.03 | robin_z | xbal: ollen illuassin kanootin? |
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| 14:32.26 | streuner | mwilson: the printer got no data at all |
| 14:32.32 | p2-mate | simonrvn: cool ! good ! |
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| 14:32.47 | BadMan | !spanish |
| 14:32.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:33.36 | streuner | I [10/Apr/2005:16:31:43 +0200] Job 11 queued on 'Lexmark' by ''. |
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| 14:34.05 | mwilson | streuner: Printer is interfaced how? |
| 14:34.08 | looksaus | hi all |
| 14:34.20 | Vegar | How do I append a string and a newline to a variable in a bash script? |
| 14:34.23 | looksaus | I have a question about printing from epiphany in sarge |
| 14:34.29 | xbal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:34.38 | BadMan | !spanish |
| 14:34.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:34.42 | streuner | mwilson: parallel:/dev/lp0 |
| 14:34.52 | xbal | si |
| 14:34.55 | Vegar | I've tried $VAR=${VAR}${string}$(echo -e '\n') |
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| 14:35.10 | looksaus | all my apps print ok using cups, but epiphany seems determined to use something like xprint |
| 14:35.14 | looksaus | which I don't like |
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| 14:35.24 | xbal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:36.03 | looksaus | because I can't seem to get it working |
| 14:36.04 | xuesheng | xbal: /join #debian-es |
| 14:36.14 | xbal | graccias |
| 14:36.22 | xuesheng | xbal: de nada :p |
| 14:36.31 | mwilson | looksaus: Well, yeah... epiphany, being crap, deps on xprint. |
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| 14:37.14 | mwilson | looksaus: Sane people don't waste their time with xprint. |
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| 14:38.02 | looksaus | mwilson, same probably holds for firefox |
| 14:38.18 | FieldySnuts | @abuse xprint |
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| 14:38.20 | valdyn | looksaus: looks to me like it can brint to cups, to xprint , and to bsd lp |
| 14:38.27 | valdyn | looksaus: looks to me like it can print to cups, to xprint , and to bsd lp |
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| 14:38.47 | mwilson | looksaus: I wouldn't have any idea. I don't use crapfox. |
| 14:39.00 | looksaus | all very well, but I was looking for solutions, rather than confirmation of a problem |
| 14:39.01 | valdyn | looksaus: and the same for firefox |
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| 14:39.38 | mwilson | <sarcasm> looksaus: Well, gee, we're all very sorry you're not satisfied with your support experience. </sarcasm> |
| 14:39.43 | boukensya | hey guys.. I was just wondering what program I need for my ibook to get AV out working? |
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| 14:39.56 | valdyn | looksaus: apt-get install cupsys-bsd and you may get that available in epiphany, not sure how it determines its available printers, i have the bsd spool anyway |
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| 14:40.39 | mwilson | valdyn: Does it actually support a destination other than xprint? The dependency would seem to indicate otherwise. |
| 14:40.46 | Vegar | x-window-system depends on xprint and xprt-xprintorg |
| 14:40.52 | mwilson | valdyn: I'm not about to install it, just to find out. |
| 14:40.58 | mwilson | Vegar: Yes, it does. So? |
| 14:41.06 | Vegar | it's kinda lame |
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| 14:41.13 | mwilson | Vegar: What is? |
| 14:41.17 | midas | hi !!! |
| 14:41.20 | valdyn | mwilson: i *think* so , looking at the 4 printers i have available ( i have one single printer installed in cups ) |
| 14:41.24 | Vegar | mwilson: the dependency |
| 14:41.35 | mwilson | Vegar: So? Remove it. |
| 14:41.42 | midas | I've got problems with my X server amd GDM |
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| 14:42.01 | Vegar | mwilson: removing x-window-system won't hurt anything, will it? |
| 14:42.17 | mwilson | Vegar: Did you read the package description for x-window-system? |
| 14:42.21 | tecnovm | drac, ok i tried expert26 and there arent modules for sis900 |
| 14:42.24 | Vegar | mwilson: yes |
| 14:42.26 | valdyn | mwilson: x_ps_spooldir_HOME_Xprintjobs@:64 being one of the 2 xprint spools |
| 14:42.29 | Vegar | mwilson: just wanted to be sure |
| 14:42.52 | mwilson | valdyn: I didn't realize that epiphany's maintainer was still insane. |
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| 14:42.57 | midas | Well, the only problem is that my X crashes and reboot (only X) after a while without doing nothing |
| 14:43.01 | mwilson | !maint epiphany |
| 14:43.03 | dpkg | epiphany: Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> |
| 14:43.12 | midas | could be something related to screensaver ?ż |
| 14:43.18 | boukensya | is there a powerpc channel? |
| 14:43.19 | valdyn | mwilson: and those dont work for me, Postscript/DeskJet works though |
| 14:43.37 | mwilson | Ooooh, gee, look at that, he can do upside-down punctuation. Ain't it cool? |
| 14:43.46 | mwilson | valdyn: Xprint never works. |
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| 14:43.54 | mwilson | valdyn: It's just a time-sink. |
| 14:44.21 | valdyn | mwilson: no idea, it doesnt bother me since i dont use it ( except to notice that it doesnt do what i want ) |
| 14:44.27 | tecnovm | does anybody knows why is the sis900 not loaded in the debian installer? |
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| 14:44.53 | mwilson | valdyn: The xprint people will tell you that xprint is so wonderful, as long as you lie to it about what your printer can actually do. |
| 14:45.12 | DragonEye_ | hi |
| 14:45.17 | DragonEye_ | I have a problem |
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| 14:45.31 | DragonEye_ | I installed hdparm on my system and experimented a bit with it |
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| 14:45.34 | valdyn | mwilson: what is its intended purpose? |
| 14:45.36 | minciue | tecnovm, why exactly do you need it _during_ the first stage install |
| 14:45.40 | DragonEye_ | now my whole system is readonly |
| 14:45.42 | mwilson | valdyn: Like if you have a 600 DPI printer, and it prints text too big... you should lie and say you have a 300 dpi printer. Gee, that's intelligent. |
| 14:45.55 | minciue | hahaha |
| 14:46.07 | mwilson | valdyn: Like Joe Moron is really going to be able to figure that out. |
| 14:46.11 | tecnovm | minciue, is it possible to load it after the installation? |
| 14:46.20 | minciue | well basically |
| 14:46.28 | minciue | unless you do a netinstall |
| 14:46.30 | minciue | yes |
| 14:46.30 | Vegar | Do the sarge installer work with s-ata devices? |
| 14:46.33 | mwilson | valdyn: Like we shouldn't just use a device-independent language like Postscript *in the first place*. |
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| 14:46.34 | minciue | even if you do a netinstall |
| 14:46.43 | minciue | you can enable it |
| 14:46.45 | minciue | during second stage |
| 14:46.46 | Vegar | I've tried Woody, but it didn't find the controller |
| 14:46.49 | DragonEye_ | how can I get my system on read-write again?? |
| 14:46.55 | lawnchair | how come when i boot up sarge-netinst.iso it forces me into a cdrom installation, i see no network options anywehre |
| 14:47.06 | tecnovm | minciue, im using the cd, but after the installation how do i enable it? |
| 14:47.17 | minciue | add sis900 in /etc/modules |
| 14:47.31 | minciue | and do a modprobe sis900 |
| 14:47.34 | spldart | I installed debian sarge netinst (a 104meg file) on an old machine last night. I then added during installation the options desktop and web server. My problem is this. I selected the wrong monitor profile and I need to change it but I can't see the screen in ...gnome? I think. |
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| 14:47.47 | tecnovm | minciue, ok thanks m8 |
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| 14:47.52 | minciue | np |
| 14:48.01 | Vegar | spldart: ctrl+alt+F1 takes you to console |
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| 14:48.16 | valdyn | spldart: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in any console |
| 14:48.25 | Vegar | spldart: from there you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:48.55 | spldart | ok... I'm at console and I'll ttry that now.. sorry I'm a noob |
| 14:49.12 | Vegar | a what? |
| 14:49.19 | spldart | Newbie |
| 14:49.22 | minciue | xf86config? |
| 14:49.22 | spldart | n00b |
| 14:49.24 | spldart | hehe |
| 14:49.28 | mwilson | Vegar: He thinks making excuses for not knowing something is a good idea. |
| 14:49.34 | minciue | !noob |
| 14:49.34 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 14:49.37 | mwilson | spldart: No one cares. |
| 14:49.43 | minciue | hahaha |
| 14:49.44 | Vegar | minciue: dpkg is better |
| 14:49.53 | spldart | not excuses. I'm just trying to learn |
| 14:49.56 | DragonEye_ | can anyone help me? |
| 14:49.59 | minciue | i dunno i don't have X around to begin with |
| 14:50.09 | mwilson | "I'm a n00b" is an excuse. |
| 14:50.19 | valdyn | !tell DragonEye_ about ask |
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| 14:50.24 | nomed^ | hi |
| 14:50.58 | nomed^ | i'm trying a netinstall on an old pc ... it seems i need a flopy with additional drivers for my network card |
| 14:51.03 | mwilson | "I'm new" might be minorly tolerable, rather than the moron-speak version. |
| 14:51.06 | spldart | I don't agree. I'm just giving you a heads up on the state of my linux knowledge |
| 14:51.07 | nomed^ | do you know where i can find it? |
| 14:51.28 | minciue | hahaha |
| 14:51.35 | DragonEye_ | how can I get my system back on Read-Write now it became Read-Only |
| 14:51.42 | minciue | mwilson what's wrong with saying you're a noob |
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| 14:51.52 | DragonEye_ | I was experimenting with the program 'hdparm' |
| 14:51.53 | DaCa | spldart: if you're a newbie here, first thing to learn is not to get into discussion with mwilson :) |
| 14:51.57 | paulswm | spldart: don't be put off, we're not all like that |
| 14:52.38 | mwilson | minciue: What's right about it? When you walk into a classroom, do you spend your time telling the instructor you shouldn't be expected to know something, because you're "new"? |
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| 14:52.57 | doublehp | where does kismet try to create Kismet-Apr-10-2005-1.dump ? |
| 14:53.02 | mwilson | That's why you're there in the first place. |
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| 14:53.06 | minciue | well ... If I'm new ... I guess i do :P |
| 14:53.19 | minciue | I mean |
| 14:53.27 | minciue | if I'm new to that class and don't have the knowledge |
| 14:53.37 | valdyn | DragonEye_: which partition of yours is ro ? |
| 14:53.39 | minciue | I have no problem to telling people i'm a newbie |
| 14:53.48 | mxn | Hi. If I'm not using a framebuffer console, is there a way to configure its graphical output? (I'm just trying to make sure I don't fry a monitor, here.) |
| 14:54.00 | mwilson | minciue: It's irrelevant. |
| 14:54.03 | DragonEye_ | valdyn, the root partition |
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| 14:54.15 | spldart | Ok. I logged in at the prompt |
| 14:54.23 | spldart | then enterered dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:54.41 | spldart | But it says command not found |
| 14:54.41 | mwilson | spldart: As root? |
| 14:54.55 | valdyn | DragonEye_: get any kind of linux livecd / boot disk and run fsck on that partition, and dont ever experiment with hdparm. If you're lucky then fsck can fix your broken partition |
| 14:54.58 | spldart | I used my root user password |
| 14:54.59 | minciue | mwilson, it's not irrelevant . it would be irrelevant if i've been around for a million years and still haven't learned. |
| 14:55.08 | minciue | anyway |
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| 14:55.14 | minciue | saying I'm new is pretty much the same thing |
| 14:55.15 | |XO| | well tommorrow is the big day :) |
| 14:55.20 | mwilson | minciue: What's relevant is "I don't know how to do that". |
| 14:55.24 | resiak | People: if you use the !drxx $1 factoid it says "as root" and saves you typing... |
| 14:55.29 | |XO| | we finally get some new leadership.... |
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| 14:55.44 | cahoot | mwilson: wouldn't he get a command not found else? |
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| 14:55.55 | mwilson | |XO|: There was something wrong with the old leadership? |
| 14:56.16 | doublehp | ou est ce que kismet essaye de creer Kismet-Apr-10-2005-1.dump ? => in ./ |
| 14:56.17 | |XO| | yea...im not gonna go on about it since its been beaten to death |
| 14:56.25 | valdyn | DragonEye_: which filesystem type is on your root partition? |
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| 14:56.30 | resiak | !fr |
| 14:56.30 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 14:56.55 | minciue | mwilson, the fact that he tells me he is a noob or something simillar indicates i should be very patient |
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| 14:57.04 | minciue | knowing this i can choose not to help him if I'm in a bad mood |
| 14:57.14 | DragonEye_ | valdyn, I just connected a monitor to my linux system and I see this error: "EXT3-fs error (device hd0(3,1)) in start_transaction: journal aborted |
| 14:57.15 | mwilson | minciue: Excuses, again. |
| 14:57.33 | paulswm | spldart: are you sure you are logged in as root? What does "whoami" (on the same terminal as you are trying to run dpkg-reconfigure) say? |
| 14:58.02 | DragonEye_ | valdyn, so my rootsystem is EXT3 |
| 14:58.39 | BadMan | sometimes I guess you need to run "dexconf" after that to get it to update the XF86Config-4 file as well.. I had to a sec ago and last night as well. |
| 14:58.43 | valdyn | DragonEye_: yea, so the command to run from your livecd should be fsck.ext3 -p. If you have important data on that disk, back it up |
| 14:58.47 | DragonEye_ | I did not try anything now to "fix" it becouse I think I will make it worse |
| 14:58.52 | resiak | mwilson: DO EET |
| 14:59.09 | spldart | whoami says I'm (myusername) |
| 14:59.21 | minciue | su |
| 14:59.21 | resiak | spldart: use su to become root. |
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| 14:59.30 | mwilson | resiak: There are several d'Itri packages in the list... those are always iffy. |
| 14:59.50 | resiak | mwilson: I've never even heard of him/her... what does [s]he maintain> |
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| 15:00.22 | spldart | I don't know my filesystem of root partition. I just through in an old drive. wiped it by formatting with ultimate boot disk and then started the machine with debian sarge |
| 15:00.46 | mwilson | resiak: hotplug, udev, stuff like that. |
| 15:00.48 | valdyn | spldart: "mount" can tell you |
| 15:01.02 | minciue | just do a "mount" |
| 15:01.14 | Kvant | or: df -T |
| 15:01.20 | mwilson | resiak: Not that I allow udev on any box I control, of course. |
| 15:01.20 | spldart | I are teh root :D |
| 15:01.23 | resiak | mwilson: *shrug* Always worked for me. |
| 15:02.20 | spldart | Mount gave me info on hda1 proc devpts tmpfs usbfs |
| 15:02.21 | BadMan | well, cap, guess I need to get outside and start working on my roof.... |
| 15:02.24 | BadMan | have a ball ya'll |
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| 15:02.34 | spldart | be safe on the roof |
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| 15:03.45 | minciue | your root filesystem is the "/" one |
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| 15:05.50 | DragonEye_ | valdyn, I just rebooted the system without a cd and it fixed the HD by itself |
| 15:06.28 | DragonEye_ | valdyn, the reason I was using hdparm was that I want the HD to turn off after 30 minutes of inactivity |
| 15:06.34 | paulswm | spldart: if whoami doesn't say 'root', then you're not root |
| 15:06.53 | valdyn | DragonEye_: ah, that could be done from the bios too |
| 15:07.03 | DragonEye_ | and that does not work |
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| 15:07.49 | minciue | DragonEye_ : couldn't you do it with apmd too? |
| 15:07.50 | valdyn | DragonEye_: either way, doing that on your root fs makes few sense |
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| 15:08.10 | minciue | actually isn't apmd _designed_ for it |
| 15:08.24 | valdyn | DragonEye_: it would not ever spin down |
| 15:08.36 | DragonEye_ | minciue, well I think my system supports APM |
| 15:08.46 | DragonEye_ | valdyn, why not? |
| 15:09.13 | valdyn | DragonEye_: b/c theres constantly traffic to write logfiles |
| 15:09.35 | valdyn | DragonEye_: now if /var/ was on a different disk that was a different thing, but i assume it isnt |
| 15:09.53 | valdyn | DragonEye_: is this a laptop? |
| 15:10.05 | DragonEye_ | valdyn, I got one HD but planning on putting another HD in the PC |
| 15:10.53 | valdyn | DragonEye_: laptop-mode-tools does something like this quite efficiently |
| 15:10.54 | daffy-pkf_ | does someone use ksetisaver? it seems to work well excepted that when it need to take some new datas it says that there is no client running, can someone help? |
| 15:10.55 | spldart | Ok.. I finished reconfiguring xserver fixing the monitor settings and now I'm sitting at the last blue screen with text and a prompt underneath. |
| 15:11.05 | Virtual | anybody can tell me how can ?I change the kvirc channel tabs or private messages tab to change color upon new messages ? |
| 15:11.10 | minciue | god damn it |
| 15:11.13 | spldart | How would I restart my desktop? |
| 15:11.17 | minciue | i have a file that starts with a - |
| 15:11.23 | minciue | how the hell do i change its name? |
| 15:11.31 | jethro | mv -- -file sanefilename |
| 15:11.33 | valdyn | DragonEye_: it will not only spin down your disk(s), but also cache your writes accordingly so theres not constantly write accesses |
| 15:11.36 | streuner | spldart: what do you mean, how do you restart my desktop? |
| 15:11.36 | DragonEye_ | valdyn, it is a Compaq Desktop EN series |
| 15:11.38 | minciue | ic |
| 15:11.39 | minciue | 10q |
| 15:12.00 | jethro | minciue: would you mind typing whole words and not talk in a AOL like fashion? |
| 15:12.03 | streuner | spldart: restart wm (window-manager)? |
| 15:12.31 | minciue | sorry |
| 15:12.33 | minciue | thanks |
| 15:12.34 | cow | DragonEye, you have to tell the kernel and your filesystems not to flush (too often). IIRC there's a "laptop-mode" in kernel. Also your filesystems may have options which tell them how often to flush. |
| 15:12.35 | spldart | restart wm command not found |
| 15:12.36 | spldart | :( |
| 15:12.53 | minciue | but I couldn't be on AOL |
| 15:12.57 | minciue | anyway :P |
| 15:13.03 | jethro | minciue: I think you got the point anyway |
| 15:13.07 | minciue | i did |
| 15:13.10 | cow | DragonEye_, if you set both proper, the hdparm settings should take effect |
| 15:13.11 | minciue | but i'm really lazy |
| 15:13.29 | minciue | that's why i do the idiot-type |
| 15:13.32 | jethro | minciue: then don't IRC here because most people will blame you for talking in such a way |
| 15:13.52 | DragonEye_ | cow, right... but I removed hdparm already because it does things I don't understand (yet) |
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| 15:14.21 | minciue | i'd rather remove the habbit then go talk like an idiot somewhere else |
| 15:14.29 | ix | root! <3 |
| 15:15.01 | streuner | mwilson: interface is CUPS (http://localhost:631), but now i got : Apr 10 17:01:44 zerberus cups-lpd[1157]: Unknown destination queue! |
| 15:15.04 | Mash | re |
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| 15:15.37 | streuner | mwilson: that's prolly why i got no active job... |
| 15:15.38 | DragonEye_ | but thanks anyway ppl |
| 15:15.46 | DragonEye_ | my ssytem works again |
| 15:16.01 | streuner | mwilson: but wtf didn't know CUPS where to sent it? |
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| 15:17.04 | Roldyx | hi |
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| 15:20.46 | muadda | I have installed a package (util-vserver) and "dpkg -L util-vserver" says a file is installed (/etc/init.d/vservers-default). But it is not. How do I should install the package to have all its files? |
| 15:21.19 | DragonEye | I think I'm back |
| 15:21.26 | spldart | screw it I'll reboot |
| 15:21.36 | spldart | lets see if it works |
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| 15:22.09 | spldart | I wanna set this up to bzflag serve, apache serv, software router firewall. |
| 15:22.33 | Roldyx | muadda, apt-get install util-vserve |
| 15:22.40 | Roldyx | muadda, apt-get install util-vserver |
| 15:23.50 | Roldyx | muadda, /etc/init.d/vservers start |
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| 15:24.19 | Fabietto | I at all. I would like install a debian sarge on my desktop pc. I've got a Debian Sarge installed on my notebook, that works correctly and it's connected on internet. Anyway, my desktop is connected to Internet through a wireless pci adapter and so i can't do the network installation. I would like to use my notebook as a gateway during the Debian's installation process on the desktop, so, after that, i will configure the wireless adap |
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| 15:24.50 | muadda | Roldyx, ls /etc/init.d/vserv* => No such file or directory |
| 15:24.54 | DaCa | muadda: it should, what version of util-vserver are you talking about? currently it should be 0.30.204-4 |
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| 15:25.20 | Roldyx | muadda, apt-get --purge remove util-vserver |
| 15:25.26 | muadda | DaCa, yes (I'm using sarge) |
| 15:25.29 | Roldyx | muadda, install again |
| 15:25.30 | Anders1 | no.. |
| 15:25.35 | Anders1 | apt-get --reinstall install util-vserver |
| 15:25.38 | Anders1 | not purge it |
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| 15:25.47 | Roldyx | Anders1, thanks |
| 15:25.56 | mtnman | fabietto: rephrase as a question. |
| 15:25.57 | jethro | Fabietto: what is your question? |
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| 15:26.08 | Fabietto | On the notebook i've also got winxp... someone can suggest me a method to follow? i tried to connect the two pc with a switch and i configured the desktop route to use the notebook as default gateway... i can ping the two machines, but i can't go on internet through the desktop |
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| 15:26.18 | spldart | Thanks. My resolution problem is fixed |
| 15:26.43 | |XO2| | Fabietto did u enable internet connection sharing? |
| 15:26.45 | mtnman | fabietto: have you set a default route for the desktop? |
| 15:26.45 | muadda | "apt-get --reinstall install util-vserver" done. |
| 15:26.52 | |XO2| | Fabietto did u enable internet connection sharing on the notebook? |
| 15:26.53 | muadda | But the problem stays |
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| 15:27.10 | jethro | !u |
| 15:27.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:27.14 | Fabietto | mtnam: yes, route add default gw (ip address of the notebook) |
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| 15:27.46 | findme | !me |
| 15:27.46 | dpkg | methinks me is the most important person in the whole world!! |
| 15:27.51 | Fabietto | |X02| i don't know... how can i share my connection in debian sarge? |
| 15:28.06 | mtnman | fabietto: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward. is it 0 or 1? |
| 15:28.16 | minciue | 1 |
| 15:28.22 | Fabietto | mtnam: on the notebook? |
| 15:28.30 | mtnman | fabietto: notebook. |
| 15:28.30 | minciue | on the notebook it doesn't matter |
| 15:28.42 | |XO2| | Fabietto u said u had win xp on ur notebook...did u share ur internet connection on ur notebook under win xp? |
| 15:28.46 | muadda | The commands I ran: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/242 |
| 15:28.46 | mtnman | minicue: the notebook is the gateway. it matters. |
| 15:28.48 | minciue | oh wait you use the notbeook as a gateway |
| 15:28.54 | jethro | minciue: as the notebook is being the gateway, it *does* matter |
| 15:28.58 | minciue | 1 |
| 15:28.59 | Fabietto | minciue: yes :-) |
| 15:29.00 | Roldyx | muadda, apt-get --purge remove util-vserver |
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| 15:29.21 | jethro | !tell |XO2| -about u |
| 15:29.22 | shaevtek | I have debian system. kernel version: 2.6.8.1. I can't find /dev/sda devices. Can anyone help me? |
| 15:29.26 | Fabietto | mtnam: i'm now running windows... can you wait for i while when i re-enter to debian? |
| 15:29.33 | Roldyx | Fabietto, liste to mtnman |
| 15:29.40 | jethro | shaevtek: is it a custon kernel? |
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| 15:29.45 | shaevtek | yes |
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| 15:29.49 | mtnman | fabietto: do you want the notebook running xp or debian while performing as gateway? |
| 15:29.51 | zeeeee | hi all, i'm trying to get wireless working. i did iwlist scan, found my network, and ran iwconfig essid mynetwork key b1aab1aa. but the wap connects to a router, which is supposed to assign me an IP via dhcp. i see no ip addr in either ifconfig or iwconfig. i tried running dhclient, but that only configured my eth# connections. i retried with dhclient wlan0, but that did nothing. what am i missing? |
| 15:29.56 | jethro | shaevtek: then you probably missed some options, rebuild one |
| 15:29.57 | |XO2| | jethro it doesnt matter....let it go dude...its not the end of the world... |
| 15:30.02 | jethro | shaevtek: or use debian images |
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| 15:30.19 | Fabietto | mtnman: it doesn't matter... my only purpose, at now, is install debian on the desktop pc |
| 15:30.22 | shaevtek | I just compiled with SCSI disk support and USB mass storage. |
| 15:30.25 | jethro | |XO2|: to me it does matter, and if someone created that factoid, it proly means it does matter to others, so please respect the channel guideline |
| 15:30.38 | minciue | Fabietto, then use debian on the notebook |
| 15:30.40 | Mash | re |
| 15:30.50 | cahoot | shaevtek: you need support for scsi disk and usb-storage - do not enable ub |
| 15:30.55 | mtnman | fabietto: i understand that xp has something called internet connection sharing, but i don't know much about it. |
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| 15:31.00 | minciue | and do a: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 15:31.09 | jethro | Fabietto: if you do the gateway with XP , you can't ask for support here, if you do it on sarge, we can help you |
| 15:31.11 | shaevtek | cahoot: I did. |
| 15:31.12 | minciue | and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:31.13 | Fabietto | mtnam,minciue: ok, i will reboot now... see you later! :-) |
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| 15:31.26 | cahoot | shaevtek: enable ub? |
| 15:31.40 | shaevtek | cahoot: ub from where? |
| 15:31.48 | shaevtek | generic devices? |
| 15:31.51 | |XO2| | jethro when i address you ill speak appropriately...when i address others..ill speak the way i prefer especially if it doesnt matter to them... |
| 15:32.06 | muadda | Roldyx, "apt-get --purge remove util-vserver" and "apt-get install util-vserver" done. It works. Thanks |
| 15:32.07 | xbal | hola |
| 15:32.10 | mwilson | |XO2|: You prefer to speak like a moron? |
| 15:32.11 | dupondje | hi guys, i have a question, my root hdd is almost death :s it still works but giving errors and so, putted in new hdd, can i mount that new hdd ? and copy everything to the new hdd from broken hdd and then just run from the new or ? |
| 15:32.16 | shaevtek | why all my SCSI devices /dev/sda.. missing? |
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| 15:32.21 | jethro | thanks mwilson I was feeling lonely |
| 15:32.25 | Roldyx | muadda, ok |
| 15:32.28 | mwilson | dupondje: Hard-Disk-Upgrade HOWTO |
| 15:32.29 | |XO2| | yea...if thats what you think i am doing then let it be... |
| 15:32.38 | muadda | I wonder what was the problem though |
| 15:32.38 | mtnman | dupondje: see the hard-disk upgrade howto at tldp.org |
| 15:32.41 | cahoot | shaevtek: modprobe usb-storage |
| 15:33.07 | shaevtek | cahoot: it is not as module. I integrated them into the kernel. |
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| 15:33.42 | Roldyx | muadda, tell me |
| 15:34.06 | mwilson | I need a faster Sarge box. :) |
| 15:34.10 | cahoot | shaevtek: grep -i blk_dev_ub /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 15:34.52 | shaevtek | cahoot: outputs nothing |
| 15:35.53 | muadda | Roldyx, I use these commands to resolve the probleme. http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/243 |
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| 15:35.57 | shaevtek | cahoot: I don't have blk_dev_ub in my config. |
| 15:36.10 | Eclipser | umm |
| 15:36.17 | Eclipser | how can I add a user to sudoers? |
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| 15:36.28 | netman1 | Eclipser: visudo |
| 15:36.28 | minciue | usermod |
| 15:36.46 | Roldyx | fabietto, here you are |
| 15:36.56 | shaevtek | cahoot: any idea? |
| 15:36.59 | zeeeee | anybody? |
| 15:36.59 | minciue | oh wait nm |
| 15:37.09 | mwilson | Eclipser: man sudo |
| 15:37.09 | fabietto | Hi guys. Now i've got debian sarge running on the notebook and a knoppix 3.7 running on the desktop pc. The notebook is connected to Internet through a wireless adapter. The notebook and the desktop are connected to the same switch. |
| 15:37.18 | minciue | visudo |
| 15:37.19 | shaevtek | why there is no sda devices in /dev |
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| 15:37.34 | fabietto | Roldyx: yes, i'm ready to fight... :) |
| 15:37.44 | muadda | Eclipser, visudo and add a line "your-user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" |
| 15:38.06 | mwilson | muadda: And you'd do something that stupid because...? |
| 15:38.14 | minciue | or not |
| 15:38.35 | minciue | that's just braindamaged |
| 15:38.38 | Eclipser | ! less has vim bindings \o/ |
| 15:38.39 | fabietto | I'm sorry, but which file you suggest me to check, before? |
| 15:38.44 | muadda | mwilson, what is that stupid? |
| 15:38.54 | websdale | fabietto: I use firestarter to control my simple network(similar to yours),you can enable internet connection sharing etc with it |
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| 15:39.12 | minciue | the user should enter a pass |
| 15:39.19 | minciue | he should always have to enter the pass |
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| 15:39.32 | mwilson | muadda: Gee, let's just add a USER account that someone can crack, in preference to root, that'll *give* them root. |
| 15:39.44 | minciue | thus you don't need about 2 weak passwords instead of one |
| 15:39.47 | fabietto | websdale: firestarter... i will apt-get it now... thanks... :-) |
| 15:39.54 | minciue | + one you don't have control over since it's the users |
| 15:40.42 | websdale | fabietto: its probably worth reading the HOWTOs on networking/masquerading etc as well |
| 15:40.57 | netman1 | mwilson: what do you use to manage 100ths of servers instead of sudo? Honest question. |
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| 15:41.12 | jethro | netman1: sudo-ldap |
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| 15:41.17 | minciue | webmin |
| 15:41.24 | fabietto | websdale: yes, i know... and i will probably need to read them in the future... |
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| 15:41.35 | mwilson | netman1: I didn't say you used anything other than sudo. In fact, I made no statement one way or the other. |
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| 15:41.55 | mwilson | netman1: But punching a hole like that is moronic. |
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| 15:42.01 | muadda | mwilson, it is the aim of sudo: *give* the root access |
| 15:42.13 | minciue | muadda, not without a pass |
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| 15:42.25 | mwilson | muadda: No, that is *not* the "aim of sudo". |
| 15:42.39 | minciue | i never could understand why they put that option in anyway |
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| 15:42.51 | netman1 | mwilson: jethro: minciue: thought about running an extra sshd, enabled for root, listening on 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:42.54 | jethro | muadda: quoting the manpage "sudo, sudoedit - execute a command as another user |
| 15:43.14 | mwilson | minciue: Because if you restrict it appropriately, it has uses. |
| 15:43.17 | dataw0lf | anybody have any good links for xfce4 goodies? (themes, etc) |
| 15:43.38 | minciue | !google |
| 15:43.38 | dpkg | somebody said google was a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 15:43.48 | jethro | !fgi xfce4 goodies |
| 15:43.49 | dpkg | xfce4: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=goodies |
| 15:43.56 | jethro | damn me |
| 15:44.04 | dataw0lf | C'mon, now, I've already googled. |
| 15:44.10 | mwilson | dataw0lf: Unlikely. |
| 15:44.12 | dataw0lf | I'm just seeing if anybody has any fave sites. |
| 15:44.19 | jethro | !anybody |
| 15:44.19 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:44.20 | jethro | !poll |
| 15:44.20 | dpkg | You wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me! |
| 15:44.20 | minciue | you haven't googled right then |
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| 15:44.27 | netman1 | anybody think that's a good idea? |
| 15:44.34 | dataw0lf | Jesus christ. |
| 15:44.42 | mwilson | netman1: Not particularly, no. |
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| 15:45.51 | jethro | netman1: just use an LDAP server, get rid of localy configured things, just configure all the hosts to retrieve the info in the LDAP server |
| 15:46.10 | jethro | retrieve from even |
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| 15:46.15 | ggl_6 | anyone here know sed? to replace each occurence of a word 'dog' with 'cat' in a stream I do.. sed 's/dog/cat/g' right? |
| 15:46.17 | mwilson | minciue: I used NOPASSWD, for example, on cdrecord. |
| 15:46.32 | jethro | ggl_6: man sed can tell you |
| 15:46.40 | fabietto | websdale: fantastic... it already works!!! :D |
| 15:46.49 | minciue | mwilson: suid? |
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| 15:46.58 | mwilson | minciue: SUID binaries are bad. |
| 15:47.01 | minciue | actually i think you need a few extra permissions but it's just about the same |
| 15:47.10 | minciue | it's the same thing really |
| 15:47.14 | mwilson | Hardly. |
| 15:47.20 | minciue | if you sudo it and it gets exploited you get the same result |
| 15:47.31 | fabietto | websdale: it can't resolve the domain names, but i think it's normal... can i simply solve this problem adding the ip address of the gateway to the /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 15:47.43 | mwilson | If I make it SUID, then ANYONE can run it, if I use sudo, then only whoever I say can use it. |
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| 15:47.50 | websdale | fabietto: add them to /etc/hosts |
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| 15:47.56 | gnulu | hey fellow gnu penguinistas, i've got a newbie problem with vnc.. It was working now no dice. I've done the vncpassd and yes it's running " i think" but how do i verify? |
| 15:48.01 | minciue | that's why chmod is there for |
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| 15:48.06 | minciue | what sorry |
| 15:48.19 | netman1 | gnulu| netstat -an | grep 5900 |
| 15:48.29 | gnulu | thanks |
| 15:48.36 | fabietto | websdale: hosts? |
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| 15:48.48 | websdale | fabietto: /etc/resolv.conf is where you put your ISP's nameservers , /etc/hosts for your local domain names |
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| 15:48.49 | mwilson | Having SUID binaries is a slippery slope it's far better not to start down. |
| 15:48.50 | jethro | gnulu: use either lsof, netstat, or ps, read the manpages for more information |
| 15:48.52 | gnulu | ok nothing |
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| 15:49.00 | fabietto | websdale: ah, ok... thanks! |
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| 15:49.01 | minciue | i know |
| 15:49.03 | minciue | i don't use it |
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| 15:49.04 | minciue | i su |
| 15:49.07 | minciue | using the password |
| 15:49.14 | minciue | and then logout |
| 15:49.18 | gnulu | well, i've gotten vnc to work in the past with no problems... this is beyond me now.. |
| 15:49.20 | mwilson | Using su requires you to give them the root password. |
| 15:49.24 | minciue | and I never use sudo |
| 15:49.26 | minciue | i know |
| 15:49.30 | minciue | it's called security :P |
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| 15:49.36 | mwilson | It's called stupidity. |
| 15:49.41 | jethro | indeed |
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| 15:49.45 | minciue | haha |
| 15:50.05 | minciue | how often do you need to use sudo |
| 15:50.14 | minciue | amaze me |
| 15:50.16 | jethro | everytime I need root privs |
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| 15:50.21 | minciue | i know |
| 15:50.30 | minciue | i mean how often do you really need root privs |
| 15:50.37 | muadda | sudo apt-get install .. |
| 15:50.38 | jethro | depends on hosts |
| 15:50.39 | honschu | Hi, how is this new cool vector based graphic program called? Not "The Gimp", it's a bit in the kind of Corel Draw. |
| 15:51.23 | jethro | sudo dmesg, sudo ps aux, sudo w |
| 15:51.23 | jethro | since I have /proc restrictions on a shell box |
| 15:51.23 | Mage___ | any openssl expert ? I get a "Apr 10 17:39:33 mordor imapd-ssl: couriertls: /etc/ssl/certs/imapd.pem: error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start line" ... any idea ? |
| 15:51.23 | minciue | sudo ps aux? |
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| 15:51.23 | jethro | yes |
| 15:51.23 | drac | yes, sudo ps aux is neat. |
| 15:51.23 | minciue | what on earth for? |
| 15:51.30 | mwilson | honschu: Uh, neither inkscape, sodipodi, or dia are "new". Then there's xfig, sketch, and others. Do you think you might *possibly* be a bit more vague? |
| 15:51.32 | jethro | minciue: heard of /proc restrictions? ps relies on the user being able to read /proc entries |
| 15:51.34 | drac | to see other processes, not just own. |
| 15:51.41 | jethro | minciue: and you talk about security? :) |
| 15:51.42 | drac | e.g. with grsecurity |
| 15:51.52 | minciue | ok i see |
| 15:52.09 | minciue | but why not |
| 15:52.11 | honschu | mwilson: thx a lot - I think it's sketch which I mean. Great!!! ;-) you made the day |
| 15:52.12 | minciue | use the root account |
| 15:52.12 | muadda | or with vservers... sudo vps aux |
| 15:52.13 | minciue | for it? |
| 15:52.27 | mwilson | minciue: Why, if you don't have to? |
| 15:52.29 | jethro | minciue: because using sudo is faster, and I don't need to type in the roto password |
| 15:52.31 | drac | minciue: and how do you log in to root account, remotely? |
| 15:52.46 | drac | sshd, PermitRootLogin? |
| 15:52.47 | jethro | drac: his point is to use su |
| 15:52.50 | minciue | not really |
| 15:52.51 | drac | ah |
| 15:52.53 | mwilson | minciue: Share the root password, anyone can do anything they like. Set sudo up properly, and they can do what you WANT them to do, but no more. |
| 15:52.56 | minciue | i can permit logins only from one host |
| 15:52.58 | drac | why? |
| 15:52.58 | minciue | mine |
| 15:52.59 | minciue | my comp |
| 15:53.21 | drac | there is sudo for that. |
| 15:53.21 | minciue | what you were referring to |
| 15:53.25 | minciue | were admin. tasks |
| 15:53.32 | jethro | minciue: have you ever dealt with multiple persons needing root privs for some commands and not every command root could run? |
| 15:53.35 | minciue | seeing what other processes are running but your own |
| 15:53.37 | jethro | minciue: obviously not |
| 15:53.44 | minciue | dmesg |
| 15:53.45 | fanti | is there any way to see between which processes the (scheduler) context-switches are made? |
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| 15:54.31 | minciue | jethro, the situations where sudo is needed are 1/1000 |
| 15:54.37 | minciue | regular people don't need it |
| 15:54.39 | jethro | hahaha |
| 15:54.58 | mwilson | jethro: I think he believes that. |
| 15:54.58 | minciue | seriously |
| 15:54.58 | minciue | i _never_ felt the need for it |
| 15:55.07 | jethro | minciue: you need to learn |
| 15:55.08 | minciue | i type my root passwd in 2 seconds |
| 15:55.31 | minciue | say i need to type it 20 times a day |
| 15:55.33 | minciue | it's 40 secs |
| 15:55.34 | jethro | ok I read enough bs, laters |
| 15:55.44 | mwilson | minciue: sudo isn't about making it easier to type a password. |
| 15:55.50 | fabietto | websdale: i added the line 169.254.... to the /etc/hosts... i also tried to deactivate and reactivate the eth0 interface, but it can't resolve the name anymore... |
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| 15:56.02 | minciue | ok i got it |
| 15:56.02 | minciue | nm |
| 15:56.11 | dabreegster | Sudo is very useful. If I need my main user (me) to be able to access /dev/vcsa devices (virtual console memory) to do a status bar, or send ALRM signals to my music daemon, I use sudo. |
| 15:56.12 | minciue | it's about root privileges to users |
| 15:56.16 | jethro | NO |
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| 15:56.26 | jethro | minciue: man sudo and read the first line ffs |
| 15:56.27 | minciue | on certain commands |
| 15:56.38 | minciue | please |
| 15:56.41 | minciue | that's what you were talking about |
| 15:56.42 | minciue | root privs |
| 15:56.46 | jethro | where does it say root? |
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| 15:57.01 | jethro | I was giving an example, now please read the manpage, and stop talking shit |
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| 15:58.23 | steveO_Laptop | ? other the apt-getting kernel.source is there anything else needed to be done |
| 15:58.50 | steveO_Laptop | to upgrade |
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| 15:59.11 | dabreegster | steveO_Laptop: trying to compile a kernel? grab kernel-package |
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| 15:59.27 | ningo | http://tinyurl.com/62e27 |
| 15:59.28 | takatumi | steveO_Laptop: build-essential libncurses5-dev kernel-package fakeroot |
| 15:59.43 | steveO_Laptop | got them |
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| 16:00.14 | websdale | fabietto: check /etc/hosts again - try pinging the domain name from the other box |
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| 16:00.34 | steveO_Laptop | ok whats the command to build off my old kernel? |
| 16:00.44 | takatumi | steveO_Laptop: man make-kpkg |
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| 16:00.46 | luna | By the way everyone, I finally got it to work. Have no idea which tip actually made the trick though. |
| 16:01.00 | Darth-Predator | hello |
| 16:01.00 | steveO_Laptop | :) |
| 16:01.37 | Darth-Predator | hello |
| 16:02.01 | pyr3 | I tried asking in here about a week ago about my X config, but no one seemed to know the answer. I have a wireless keyboard/mouse combo though I don't use the mouse, I use a separate USB mouse. For some reason X doesn't want to allow the mouse to do anything but move up and down in a vertical line. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:02.10 | yaler | hello everyone, I have a huge problem with debian. I recently was updating sarge to unstable and I can't remember what it was called for the life of me, I believe it was a debian program to help update configuration files and it needed a specific front end - anyone know what I'm talking about? |
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| 16:02.22 | pyr3 | I dug out the wireless mouse and set it up too, and it was giving me the same problem. |
| 16:02.40 | leo | where i can find the documentation of a certain recently installed package? |
| 16:02.45 | minciue | pyr, did you set the protocol for auto? |
| 16:02.48 | leo | * can i |
| 16:02.54 | fabietto | websdale: yes, the domain name is pingable... anyway, should it be a knoppix problem? |
| 16:02.55 | netman1 | yaler: aptitude? |
| 16:02.58 | pyr3 | The protocol is set to auto. |
| 16:03.02 | takatumi | leo: /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 16:03.04 | pyr3 | I've tried /dev/input/mice |
| 16:03.05 | yaler | netman1: no |
| 16:03.11 | pyr3 | I've tried /dev/input/mouse0 |
| 16:03.12 | Darth-Predator | i wonder if some people could do me a favour click this like its not porn or anything and just do the 1 step there it will help me out alot http://www.kingsofchaos.com/recruit.php?uniqid=q7g9x3q2 |
| 16:03.13 | pyr3 | I've tried /dev/input/mouse1 |
| 16:03.16 | pyr3 | etc. |
| 16:03.20 | yaler | it was different, not getting programs, but rather setting up their configuration |
| 16:03.22 | dabreegster | yaler: I think when you grab an upgraded package that has a newer config file, it'll ask you in the apt-get process if you want to install the maintainers version, keep the old one, etc. |
| 16:03.38 | Golgor | can anyone tell me how to make to GUI to work? |
| 16:03.48 | minciue | hmmm |
| 16:03.54 | yaler | dabreegster: yes, but it was some program that asked me how I wanted to view that message... any idea? |
| 16:04.06 | pyr3 | Golgor: That's a really broad question. Specifiy if you want an answer. |
| 16:04.14 | minciue | isn't /dev/mouse allready linked to it? |
| 16:04.18 | yaler | it sounded very official, almost like dpkg, but a little longer I think |
| 16:04.24 | Golgor | well, i installed debian and got the prompt |
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| 16:04.39 | websdale | fabietto: it certainly could be a knoppix problem |
| 16:04.40 | dabreegster | yaler: was it a ncurses screen with a GUI-ish look on the console? |
| 16:04.47 | takatumi | yaler: dpkg-reconfigure debconf? |
| 16:04.49 | faxo | ressource is busy when doing umount, what should i do ? |
| 16:04.53 | dabreegster | yaler: dpkg-reconfigure PACKAGE? |
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| 16:05.04 | yaler | I think it was debconf |
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| 16:05.18 | websdale | fabietto: is it an installed knoppix or run from CD? |
| 16:05.25 | pyr3 | minciue: There is no /dev/mouse, but it shouldn't matter. |
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| 16:06.02 | faxo | device busy while doing umount on that ... why ? |
| 16:06.06 | Coutal | anybody here versed in some low-level architecture related stuff? |
| 16:06.22 | dabreegster | yaler: you might want to try dpkg-reconfigure PACKAGE. I think that usually ends up calling debconf on the scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/PACKAGE.* |
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| 16:06.29 | JRWR | how to a use my Windows Me partion to help wine out with WINE |
| 16:06.32 | fabietto | websdale: it's running from cd... this is why i'm not too surprised to see that a configuration modify doesn't seem to have affect the machine behavior... :-) |
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| 16:06.47 | JRWR | pertty much i whant to use my windows dlls in wine |
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| 16:07.06 | DavidS | faxo: use lsof to find the offending process |
| 16:07.07 | yaler | I'm seriously not very sure, but I selected KDE as my front end, I thought I had enough of it (I don't have it fully installed) but what would happen is if I resume my apt-get it would spit out a ton of code and just hang, so I tried to reconfigure the front end, but it said it couldn't find ANY of them, so I rebooted and the same code it spit out in apt-get spit out in my kernel booting process... |
| 16:07.08 | takatumi | Golgor: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 16:07.13 | JRWR | i read some where that it helps |
| 16:07.20 | websdale | fabietto: an ideal opportunity to install sarge on that box as well :) |
| 16:07.20 | fabietto | websdale: anyway, the connection sharing works... so i can procede with the sarge installation... thank you very much! |
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| 16:07.31 | yaler | basically, I can't boot. |
| 16:07.35 | tecnovm | heh. ive installed debian sarge in my linuxbox ok, but how do i set the ip for the netcard? |
| 16:07.41 | websdale | fabietto: good luck:) |
| 16:07.41 | ZCorker | Good morning everyone. |
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| 16:08.07 | fabietto | websdale: thanks! :p |
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| 16:08.32 | takatumi | yaler: frontend where? debconf? |
| 16:08.36 | prodope | anyone know what this error could mean? mandb: command '/bin/gzip -dc /usr/share/man/man8/resize2fs.8.gz > /tmp/zmanqja3ck' failed with exit status 256 |
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| 16:09.04 | yaler | takatumi: I'm not sure if it was debconf, I only used that to first setup my debian install |
| 16:09.05 | tecnovm | ? |
| 16:09.11 | mwilson | prodope: No write access to /tmp? /tmp is full? No /tmp at all? |
| 16:09.39 | ZCorker | Anyone have experience with dual boot Debian and Win2k? I couldn't get the two of them to work in harmony and tried deleting Debian Linux. Only problem is that I still get the Linux boot loader menu at startup. I can't log in because I get prompted for a user name and password. And I can't get into single user mode because I get prompted for the root password. What do I do? How do I get rid of the Linux boot Loader? I am |
| 16:09.48 | yaler | but it is some sortof official configuration program, that once you apt-get a program it asks you if you want to overwrite your old configurations etc... |
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| 16:09.59 | prodope | mwilson: this is my tmp: drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4.0K Apr 10 06:26 tmp - no other man file gets that error |
| 16:10.06 | ZCorker | Did I get truncated? My last line ended in boot loader menus. |
| 16:10.13 | prodope | mwilson: lots of space left as well |
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| 16:10.59 | tecnovm | heh, how do i set eth0? the ip, netmask, gateway and dns? |
| 16:11.09 | JRWR | netconf? |
| 16:11.14 | ZCorker | Anyone running dual boot Debian Win2k? |
| 16:11.15 | takatumi | yaler: try it. |
| 16:11.23 | tecnovm | JRWR, doesnt work |
| 16:11.27 | yaler | try what? I can't boot even |
| 16:11.29 | JRWR | im duel booting Linux and Windows ME |
| 16:11.33 | yaler | I only have access to the hard drive |
| 16:11.42 | dabreegster | yaler: Again, try dpkg-reconfigure PACKAGENAME |
| 16:11.52 | takatumi | yaler: try booting in single mode. |
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| 16:12.01 | yaler | takatumi: how? |
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| 16:12.17 | JRWR | Zcorker: what boot loader are you using |
| 16:12.22 | takatumi | yaler: which bootloader? |
| 16:12.27 | yaler | grub |
| 16:12.33 | ZCorker | I installed Debian after dos and win2k dual boot. I repartitioned the logical disk for linux within the linux install program, but I still can't get rid of the boot loader menu at startup. Can't get into single user mode (no root password). |
| 16:12.34 | robin_z | mmm tasty grubs |
| 16:12.35 | dabreegster | Where can I get a list of parameters I can pass to the kernel at GRUB-boot-load-time? uname -r = 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 16:12.36 | JRWR | ZCorker: Lilo or GRUB |
| 16:12.38 | ZCorker | I am running Lilo |
| 16:12.45 | JRWR | ah |
| 16:12.53 | muadda | cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 16:13.04 | JRWR | well lilo is realley ez to config |
| 16:13.13 | ZCorker | I was planning on installing debian on a different machine. I like it and it is really easy to install, but Win2k gets the hickups with it on here. |
| 16:13.14 | takatumi | yaler: hit "e" in the menu and add single to the end of the kernel line, enter hit "b" |
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| 16:13.31 | JRWR | ZCorker:what does 2k do? |
| 16:13.38 | muadda | dabreegster, "cat /proc/cmdline" works with lilo and grub |
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| 16:13.55 | yaler | takatumi: alright, I'll try - I'll also try to find the name of that program |
| 16:13.57 | yaler | brb |
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| 16:14.16 | dabreegster | muadda: those're the parameters I already passed. Is there a list of all the possible ones I can pass? |
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| 16:14.22 | websdale | ZCorker: why don't you just boot off a win2k floppy & do fdisk /mbr |
| 16:14.44 | jetscreamer | examine /etc/lilo.conf, check boot= (hda, not hda1 for example) also see the bottom for an example how to boot to w2k (you'll reach it's boot loader via that) |
| 16:14.53 | jetscreamer | then rerun lilo |
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| 16:15.07 | jethro | hey tabbuddy |
| 16:15.16 | jetscreamer | the 'other' |
| 16:15.18 | JRWR | i hate GRUB i like LILO but i could never get it installed |
| 16:15.20 | jetscreamer | hey jetx |
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| 16:15.24 | jetscreamer | ooops tab :) |
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| 16:15.26 | jethro | heh |
| 16:15.27 | JRWR | with SARGE |
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| 16:15.31 | ZCorker | Win2k takes ten minutes to bootup. Instead of Win2k loading from Linux boot loader menu, I have to select the 2nd option (other ops). During bootkup, it needlessly runs a system integrity check (chdsk) of the Linux drive. After bootup, the disk manager and my explorer won't come up. |
| 16:15.40 | dabreegster | JRWR: whats wrong with grub? |
| 16:15.40 | takatumi | JRWR: what's wrong with grub? |
| 16:15.41 | muadda | dabreegster, in your kernel tree: vim ./Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 16:15.51 | jetscreamer | i dual boot w2k/sid just fine |
| 16:15.51 | JRWR | lol |
| 16:15.53 | dabreegster | muadda: thanks |
| 16:15.57 | JRWR | 1. Hard to config |
| 16:15.57 | ZCorker | I did try running fdisk /mbr via dos emulation within win2k. It didn't remove everything. |
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| 16:16.01 | jetscreamer | finally got grub to work too |
| 16:16.07 | takatumi | JRWR: bull shit. |
| 16:16.08 | JRWR | 2. SLOW LOADING>>> |
| 16:16.16 | ZCorker | Jetscreamer> Did you install linux first? I installed Linux last. |
| 16:16.20 | takatumi | JRWR: greater bull shit. |
| 16:16.22 | websdale | ZCorker: no i think you'd have to use a boot floppy |
| 16:16.24 | jetscreamer | ZCorker: use a w98 boot floppy to run fdisk /mbr on |
| 16:16.29 | ZCorker | Also, I am running dos with Win2k as well. |
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| 16:16.52 | takatumi | ZCorker: installing linux last *is* the recommended option. |
| 16:16.52 | muadda | dabreegster, are you looking for a specific feature? |
| 16:16.54 | cratos | Does anybody know why right now I cannot connect to packages.debian.org? |
| 16:17.08 | jetscreamer | ZCorker: i have lilo booting w2k/debian, then i chainload to w2k and i use it's bootloader for dos/w2k |
| 16:17.15 | jetscreamer | cratos: probably /topic |
| 16:17.18 | dabreegster | muadda: nah, just curious |
| 16:17.19 | JRWR | i still like LILO |
| 16:17.23 | jetscreamer | lilo rox |
| 16:17.39 | mwilson | <shrug> Why wouldn't you just use NTLDR? |
| 16:17.46 | JRWR | its reallly good at what it does |
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| 16:18.00 | jetscreamer | dd'ing the debian boot sector isn't n00b friendly |
| 16:18.01 | ZCorker | and it works ok? I had a lot of trouble within win2k. Couldn't save files, disk manager wouldn't come up, etc |
| 16:18.08 | cratos | jetscreamer: the http site not irc |
| 16:18.11 | mwilson | jetscreamer: So? |
| 16:18.41 | jetscreamer | ZCorker: i use primary partitions only, extended always seems silly to me |
| 16:18.48 | jetscreamer | mwilson: just saying |
| 16:18.52 | muadda | cratos, http://packages.debian.org/ don't work here ... |
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| 16:19.26 | jetscreamer | jrwr iirc there is |
| 16:19.31 | dabreegster | Is there some sort for flash-to-other_format converter? I can't find one. And playing .swf files is tough too, since they require interaction. |
| 16:19.32 | jetscreamer | JRWR: google it |
| 16:19.34 | LordFrith | Isn't it called netzero? |
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| 16:20.00 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=free+internet+access&restrict=linux |
| 16:20.01 | mwilson | dabreegster: Better to just not bother with flash. |
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| 16:20.31 | JRWR | i bougth a year of netzero |
| 16:20.34 | dabreegster | mwilson: There's that really funny End of the World cartoon, though... I wish mplayer could do flash :-P |
| 16:20.38 | JRWR | i whant to use it on Linux |
| 16:21.05 | JRWR | mplayer is the bomb! |
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| 16:21.26 | Yaler | takatumi: hey |
| 16:21.26 | roo9 | hi, i have a network card that identifies itself as a "Intel 82801DB IHC4 pro/100 Ethernet" under FreeBSD, i'm trying to get that machine working under Debian but i cannot get network support to work properly, any ideas on which modules supports that card? |
| 16:21.38 | takatumi | Yaler: ? |
| 16:21.39 | websdale | dabreegster: someone mentioned an app called swftools - I don't know if that would help |
| 16:21.40 | ZCorker | Well I just checked my Win2k emergency disk. It is really old (2003), but it does have autoexec.nt, config.nt, ntdetect, ntldr. I should be able to do fdisk /mbr off of their shouldn't I? |
| 16:21.42 | dabreegster | Yep. I can play virtually any file (except Flash :( ) on the commandline, superclear picture, with the cvidix driver and my Rage128 card |
| 16:21.46 | Yaler | what is the command I should run? |
| 16:21.47 | JRWR | OMFG "Linux is Proprietary"!!!! |
| 16:21.55 | dabreegster | websdale: alright, I'll check it out |
| 16:22.07 | takatumi | Yaler: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 16:22.37 | Yaler | thanks |
| 16:22.38 | websdale | ZCorker: sounds OK to me |
| 16:22.55 | Shylock | roo9, Hrm. I recognoize that chipset... Let me look for the module. |
| 16:23.09 | ZCorker | OK. I am going to sign off. If I don't log on right away, someone may need to come over here and check the vital signs ;) |
| 16:23.50 | cratos | Can anybody reach http://packages.debian.org or does anybody know a mirror? |
| 16:23.51 | ZCorker | Now do I boot from the win2k disk and go to the emergency recovery console? It has been awhile since I did this routine. |
| 16:23.55 | roo9 | shylock: thanks :-) |
| 16:24.05 | ZCorker | hold on cratos. I will check it out. |
| 16:24.07 | Shylock | roo9: Can you run an lspci and see what that says about the device? |
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| 16:24.12 | jetscreamer | flash is your god |
| 16:24.15 | roo9 | shylock: 1 sec |
| 16:24.36 | roo9 | shylock: intel corp, unknown (103a rev82) |
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| 16:24.50 | dabreegster | Flash is evil. I don't know why there are cartoons that insist on using Flash's interactiveness just to have a 'Play' button. |
| 16:24.56 | JRWR | WARNING:http://packages.debian.org/ IS DOWN! |
| 16:25.16 | jetscreamer | who cares |
| 16:25.19 | ZCorker | Cratos> The website is not coming up for me. |
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| 16:25.38 | Shylock | roo9: Is this a laptop or a onboard chip on a motherboard? |
| 16:25.45 | roo9 | shylock: onboard |
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| 16:25.49 | ZCorker | back in a few. |
| 16:25.52 | ZCorker | bybybybybybybyby |
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| 16:26.04 | minciue | dabreegster, supposedly it's easy to design stuff in flash |
| 16:26.16 | r4z` | hi, i've installed knoppix on my harddisk but forgot to put my network card in my pc... how to do a hardware scan afterwards? |
| 16:26.22 | FieldySnuts | flash was tolerable till advertisers found it |
| 16:26.22 | FieldySnuts | cratos: nah, I can't get it to come up either |
| 16:26.25 | minciue | that's what everyone who uses it keeps telling me |
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| 16:26.28 | roo9 | r4z`: try #knoppix |
| 16:26.33 | takatumi | roo9: try getting the package pciutils and run update-pciids |
| 16:27.06 | roo9 | takatumi: without network i cannot install new packages |
| 16:27.16 | takatumi | roo9: ah. :) |
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| 16:27.30 | jetscreamer | kanotix>knoppix |
| 16:27.33 | roo9 | takatumi: it's a chicken-and-egg issue |
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| 16:27.52 | JRWR | thats why i downloaded the 3-cd set |
| 16:27.54 | takatumi | roo9: yeah, I remember those days with just a winmodem. |
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| 16:28.09 | JRWR | ^^^^Thats me!^^^^ |
| 16:28.23 | JRWR | ive got a HSP56 PC-tel Winmodem |
| 16:28.31 | Shylock | roo9: Is it a 100 meg or Gigabit card? |
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| 16:28.46 | roo9 | shylock: 100mbit |
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| 16:28.51 | fumun | hi |
| 16:28.56 | roo9 | shylock: any ideas on the module? what kernel are you running? |
| 16:29.03 | fumun | how to find dublicate lines in a text file? |
| 16:29.15 | dabreegster | fumun: uniq |
| 16:29.19 | roo9 | shylock: since this is the kernel from the base woody install, 2.4.18-bf2.4, it's not that new |
| 16:29.21 | fumun | dabreegster: thanks |
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| 16:29.35 | yaler | takatumi: that is exactly what I needed, however - it doesn't seem to work |
| 16:29.36 | Shylock | roo9: I was wrong. I have a different card. I'm running a 2.4.27 kernel. |
| 16:29.41 | r4z` | @roo9: noone answers in #knoppix i tryed already... i dont have to do a hardware scan i think. i can also just install a new network card and thats the same way like in debian... but how can i do this? |
| 16:29.48 | JRWR | 100mbit is kinda old (i was lagging on Rise of Nations with ethernet old 4 foot totle wire and a lnksys router) |
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| 16:30.04 | roo9 | thanks anyway shylock :-( |
| 16:30.06 | resiak | r4z`: Knoppix is not Debian. It does its hardware stuff differently. |
| 16:30.06 | Shylock | roo9: But I'm running some searches on the modules. |
| 16:30.18 | roo9 | thanks shylock |
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| 16:31.02 | takatumi | roo9: tried eepro100 or e100? |
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| 16:31.25 | roo9 | takatumi: yes |
| 16:31.30 | Shylock | roo9: can you run lspci -n and paste me the pci vendor info? |
| 16:31.41 | roo9 | shylock: yes |
| 16:32.05 | takatumi | yaler: what doesn't work? |
| 16:32.51 | yaler | I run that, and select a different front end, either it doesn't find it - or something else is screwed but I get the same thing when I try to boot the kernel or resume apt-get |
| 16:32.51 | roo9 | shylock: 01:08.0 Class 0200: 8086:103a (rev 82) |
| 16:32.56 | Shylock | Ok |
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| 16:33.39 | BrianAnthony | how can I get Xto use fluxbox, instead of gnome, without uninstalling gnome |
| 16:33.48 | takatumi | yaler: tried dialog? I ain't even sure if debconf is your problem. |
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| 16:34.08 | mtnman | briananthony: man update-alternatives |
| 16:34.08 | BrianAnthony | lat time I uninstalled gnome, it uninstalled half of Debian |
| 16:34.18 | yaler | takatumi: I did, why aren't you? It's what I ran and changed before this whole thing started |
| 16:34.29 | Shylock | roo9: LAN Controller with 82562ET/EZ (CNR) PHY |
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| 16:34.40 | sparr_w | is it possible to make a shell script run with no #! line? just so it uses the current shell? |
| 16:34.48 | dabreegster | BrianAnthony: I believe aptitude has tools for uninstalling one package without taking out all it's dependencies. |
| 16:34.50 | roo9 | shylock: i saw that, which module would cover that? |
| 16:34.54 | Shylock | roo9: modprobe 82596 |
| 16:35.01 | takatumi | yaler: I'm surprised that reconfiguring debconf can screw up your boot process. |
| 16:35.01 | yaler | when I tried to change the frontend with console commands it said it couldn't FIND any of the frontends I tried and defaulted to passive or whatever it was |
| 16:35.06 | dabreegster | sparr_w: source script maybe? |
| 16:35.13 | sparr_w | dabreegster: what? |
| 16:35.24 | AKX | Hey, I'm fixing a friend's machine; he's got a new HD and has partitioned it to be a huge 200gig partititon and insists on reiserfs; so far so good, mkfs -t reiserfs /dev/hdb1 succeeds, but on mount (mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb1 wherever) it says '/dev/hdb1 already mounted or wherever busy'. Can you guys help? |
| 16:35.30 | dabreegster | sparr_w: let me try something, hangon |
| 16:35.31 | roo9 | shylock: init_module: input/output error |
| 16:35.54 | dabreegster | sparr_w: echo ls > foo; source foo; # it lists the dirs |
| 16:36.01 | Shylock | roo9 You may need a newer kernel. it's possible that chip is newer than the kernel you have installed. |
| 16:36.17 | dabreegster | sparr_w: in your current shell, just do 'source script' or maybe '. script' |
| 16:36.26 | Shylock | roo9: 2.4.16 is pretty old. |
| 16:36.31 | roo9 | shylock: that was my thinking, installing a new kernel without having network support is difficult, thanks for the help though! |
| 16:37.06 | Shylock | roo9: Try a knoppix disk. Its should have a newer kernel on it. You can use that to download the kernel package to the hdd. |
| 16:38.00 | Shylock | roo9: Good luck. You could also boot back to FreeBSD and download the kernel. |
| 16:38.05 | yaler | takatumi: any idea on what I should do? |
| 16:38.21 | takatumi | roo9: if this is a fresh install, I would recommend debian-installer. (sarge) |
| 16:38.32 | green_earz | AKX: mount may give you a bit of info that may be us full ??? |
| 16:38.38 | takatumi | yaler: nope, all clear. |
| 16:38.48 | AKX | green_earz: what? |
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| 16:39.02 | poh | I added the line APT::Default-Release "sarge"; to 70debconf, and it doesn't seem to work. How do make sure that this file is being used |
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| 16:39.33 | yaler | takatumi: I will come back with the readout from manually trying to change the front end, maybe you or somebody can help with that |
| 16:39.38 | Blissex | poh: that line makes senses in '/etc/apt/apt.conf' |
| 16:39.42 | green_earz | AKX: to whats mount and where us command mount it could be some use ??? |
| 16:40.10 | green_earz | AKX: to whats mounted and where it is |
| 16:40.22 | poh | Blissex: should I create that file? |
| 16:40.27 | Blissex | poh: yes, |
| 16:40.30 | Blissex | poh: yes. |
| 16:40.40 | AKX | green_earz: 'mount' says that there are many devs mounted, but nothing with hdb or whatever |
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| 16:41.21 | myren | i'm trying to scp into a windows box running cygwin.... ssh is installed on the box, isnt that all i need for scp? |
| 16:41.57 | Shylock | myren: I believe that scp actually calls the scp binary on the remote machine as well. |
| 16:42.01 | green_earz | AKX: one thing say it mounted and another things say its not mounted hmmm ?? |
| 16:42.22 | AKX | green_earz: yeah, except that it's both the mount command :) |
| 16:42.24 | Blissex | poh: also have a look at http://WWW.Argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html and http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/APT/ |
| 16:42.42 | Shylock | myren: IIRC scp basically runs ssh "scp -(some magic flags)" |
| 16:43.01 | green_earz | yes |
| 16:43.14 | poh | Blissex: thanks |
| 16:44.13 | minciue | has anyone gotten mplayer working with jack audio output? |
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| 16:44.18 | valdyn | myren: sshd needs to listen on port 22 on your windows box ( however that may be done with windows, try running sshd on it ) |
| 16:44.25 | minciue | (i compile mplayer from source and it works) |
| 16:44.30 | JRWR | me too |
| 16:44.30 | minciue | doesn't work |
| 16:44.31 | minciue | sorry |
| 16:44.37 | JRWR | it works |
| 16:44.39 | minciue | thing is |
| 16:44.39 | JRWR | fine |
| 16:44.47 | minciue | i need multiple sources of output |
| 16:44.49 | minciue | at once |
| 16:44.53 | minciue | so right now i use esd output |
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| 16:45.16 | minciue | but it has a pretty annoying latency |
| 16:45.16 | JRWR | for what |
| 16:45.26 | JRWR | why woudl you need multiple sources |
| 16:45.37 | minciue | i also have centericq running |
| 16:45.39 | green_earz | AKX: have you tryed umount it, if it saying it mounted try umount. just to see what it say ? |
| 16:45.46 | minciue | and i want to be able to hear when people message me |
| 16:45.48 | JRWR | centericq? |
| 16:45.55 | minciue | instant messenger for the console |
| 16:46.01 | JRWR | oh |
| 16:46.03 | minciue | with support for multiple protocols |
| 16:46.09 | AKX | green_earz: 'umount: /dev/hdb1: not mounted' |
| 16:46.12 | JRWR | use XF86 |
| 16:46.16 | minciue | no 10x |
| 16:46.27 | Mike77_linux | Hi there, what is the package I need to install for Samba? -> samba, samba-common, smbclient |
| 16:46.36 | mwilson | Mike77_linux: Yes. |
| 16:46.39 | ordi | does anybody can help me about a problem for using USB2 (ehci_hcd load Ok but no way to use my mouse :S) |
| 16:46.42 | valdyn | minciue: are you using alsa? |
| 16:46.43 | poh | Blissex: putting that line in apt.conf doesn't work either |
| 16:46.48 | minciue | esd |
| 16:46.52 | mwilson | ordi: You don't have a USB 2 mouse. |
| 16:46.52 | minciue | i used to use alsa |
| 16:46.55 | minciue | which was all fine |
| 16:47.08 | valdyn | minciue: esd runs on top of something, that can be alsa or oss, it doesnt replace alsa |
| 16:47.16 | minciue | eoh sorry |
| 16:47.17 | minciue | alsa |
| 16:47.20 | minciue | i think |
| 16:47.25 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 16:47.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 16:47.27 | minciue | i thought you meant in mplayer |
| 16:47.42 | ordi | mwilson: anyway my usb port should see my mouse at it was doing before ... |
| 16:47.44 | minciue | wow |
| 16:47.55 | minciue | and i can just have the apps output to alsa? |
| 16:48.33 | green_earz | AKX: what dose fdisk -l say |
| 16:48.40 | valdyn | minciue: many, not all, and those remaining can keep using esd, assuming you have libes-alsa0 installed |
| 16:48.55 | minciue | that's the thing |
| 16:48.55 | AKX | green_earz: hold on, we're reformatting it to be ext3 just for testing |
| 16:48.55 | valdyn | minciue: libesd-alsa0 even |
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| 16:48.58 | minciue | i want to ditch esd |
| 16:49.07 | minciue | because of the latency |
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| 16:49.54 | JRWR | why does compiling WINE take so long? |
| 16:50.01 | green_earz | AKX: yes it may be reiserfs ??? |
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| 16:50.09 | mwilson | So buy a decent sound card, so ESD isn't necessary. |
| 16:50.14 | alien320 | hii i am getting error in starting X server in debian |
| 16:50.16 | valdyn | minciue: look into your applications, try if thoes that canot use alsa work ok with "aoss" ( from the package alsa-oss ), and whatever remains (if any ) will have to use something else, like esd or whatever |
| 16:50.22 | alien320 | can anyone help me out |
| 16:50.32 | JRWR | alien320: what error is it giveing u |
| 16:50.35 | mwilson | JRWR: Why shouldn't it? |
| 16:50.36 | AKX | green_earz: ok, it doesnt work be it reiserfs or ext3 |
| 16:50.40 | minciue | mwilson: i'm sorry i'm poor |
| 16:51.04 | AKX | green_earz: and as for fdisk -l: /dev/hdb1 * 1 24792 199141708+ 83 Linux |
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| 16:51.07 | minciue | mwilson: and being poor is such a bitch ... trust me on it |
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| 16:51.12 | green_earz | AKX: it a primary partion you are setup up and are you using cfdisk |
| 16:51.19 | JRWR | i dont know i always thougth compiled toke 30mins not 4 HOURS! |
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| 16:51.23 | Shylock | mwilson: Newer cards support multiple connections to the DSP |
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| 16:51.40 | AKX | green_earz: i dont know whether its primary and i havent fdisked it either |
| 16:51.53 | takatumi | mine does, and it ain't that new either. |
| 16:51.55 | Mike77_linux | can anyone tell me what is the difference between 'samba' package and 'smbclient' package? is smbclient included in samba? it doesn't show as dependency... |
| 16:51.59 | Shylock | mwilson: Its more of an ALSA cards support it... |
| 16:52.07 | JRWR | even my 5 year old Chip supports multiple connections |
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| 16:52.16 | JRWR | its a ESS ALLARGO |
| 16:52.28 | Chrissy2k5 | het can anyone help me.. on mysql its saying "error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'" ... mysql.sock isnt in that directory ... can anyone tell me where it is or how i could correct this |
| 16:52.28 | green_earz | AKX: cfdisk /dev/hdb |
| 16:52.32 | Chrissy2k5 | hey* |
| 16:52.44 | AKX | green_earz: it's primary alright and bootable flagged |
| 16:52.49 | JRWR | wow |
| 16:52.52 | JRWR | 8 years |
| 16:52.59 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: Do you HAVE a local mysql server? |
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| 16:53.03 | JRWR | ive got ISA Sound cards 7 years |
| 16:53.04 | AKX | green_earz: and it says its fs type is linux ext3 |
| 16:53.07 | ico2 | has anyone managed to get VMware running in debian? |
| 16:53.14 | mwilson | !anyone |
| 16:53.14 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 16:53.15 | Chrissy2k5 | yes mwilson |
| 16:53.21 | alien320 | anyone help me out in configuring X |
| 16:53.25 | JRWR | they are 3 feet long |
| 16:53.28 | minciue | Shylock an onboard via ac97 doesn't i think |
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| 16:53.41 | brosio | exist a method to overwrite file with rsync ? |
| 16:53.45 | dabreegster | alien320: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:53.51 | dabreegster | alien320: specifically, what's wrong? |
| 16:53.52 | minciue | it's one of the worst soundcards ever made :) |
| 16:54.01 | brosio | better, exist a method for an user to overwrite file on rsync server? |
| 16:54.26 | green_earz | AKX: and /dev/hdb is where you put the drive on. ide 1 slave hdb ? |
| 16:54.40 | Shylock | minciue: Its actually a driver issue. the kernel has to have a scratch space and mixer code which is only in the ALSA drivers. |
| 16:54.45 | AKX | green_earz: probably, but i'll ask |
| 16:54.53 | minciue | i have alsa drivers |
| 16:55.23 | minciue | from what you're saying i understand two or three apps outputing to alsa should be able to output simultaneously |
| 16:55.24 | Shylock | minciue: really? and if you try to open /dev/dsp multiple times you get an error? |
| 16:55.28 | minciue | but they don't |
| 16:55.30 | minciue | they queue up |
| 16:55.33 | AKX | green_earz: it's slave in secondary ide |
| 16:55.36 | minciue | which sux |
| 16:55.49 | dabreegster | minciue: Need to mix samples? Try arts or esd. |
| 16:55.55 | minciue | i have esd |
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| 16:56.00 | minciue | i don't like the latency |
| 16:56.03 | minciue | i want to use jack |
| 16:56.13 | minciue | but mplayer won't compile with support for it |
| 16:56.13 | dabreegster | minciue: latency? What's wrong with it? |
| 16:56.17 | JRWR | with mplayer you can fix that |
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| 16:56.24 | JRWR | set the offset lower |
| 16:56.27 | JRWR | or higher |
| 16:56.35 | minciue | there are 2 problems |
| 16:56.45 | witless | so what's the p2p application of choice these days for getting not-so-popular audio files? |
| 16:56.46 | JRWR | a RTFM should do it |
| 16:56.46 | green_earz | AKX: if it slave on the second ide its /dev/hdb sorry the b |
| 16:56.54 | Shylock | minciue: I must say that I have not seen that... Either it rejects the connection to /dev/dsp or it will mix. Thats an odd effect. |
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| 16:57.02 | valdyn | witless: #warez |
| 16:57.03 | minciue | 1) latency starts to show when centericq calls mplayer multiple times |
| 16:57.08 | minciue | 2) |
| 16:57.13 | AKX | green_earz: yeah it's hdb.. erhm.. |
| 16:57.16 | JRWR | ? |
| 16:57.20 | minciue | latency shows when i try to lower/increase the volume |
| 16:57.21 | Shylock | minicue: perhaps it actually blocks the open rather than rejecting it. |
| 16:57.25 | Chrissy2k5 | hey can anyone help me.. on mysql its saying "error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'" ... mysql.sock isnt in that directory ... can anyone tell me where it is or how i could correct this |
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| 16:57.33 | witless | valdyn: how would they know what's in the debian repository? |
| 16:57.55 | dabreegster | Chrissy2k5: /etc/init.d/mysql restart? |
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| 16:57.59 | green_earz | AKX: so cfdisk /dev/hdb |
| 16:58.02 | Shylock | minicue: That isn't an esd problem... Mixers are seperate from the PCM datastream (which is what esd controls) |
| 16:58.10 | AKX | green_earz: done that, it's one big primary partition |
| 16:58.13 | minciue | ok |
| 16:58.15 | minciue | i can live with that |
| 16:58.19 | minciue | the thing is |
| 16:58.23 | minciue | with jack output i wouldn't have the problem |
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| 16:58.25 | epicenter | I tried to resize my NTFS partition and Windows XP was entirely destroyed. The partition is also unmountable. Is there any way to FORCE linux to mount it and get at my data? I don't give two shits if Windows is recoverable. |
| 16:58.26 | minciue | since jack is realtime |
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| 16:58.39 | valdyn | minciue: you are mixing something up |
| 16:58.39 | minciue | i can't really go and fix mplayer's problems |
| 16:58.42 | mwilson | epicenter: Restore your backup. |
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| 16:58.47 | green_earz | AKX: as the drive been see in the machine bios |
| 16:58.52 | epicenter | mwilson: Which? :P |
| 16:58.58 | alien320 | i m getting error screen not found while running startx |
| 16:58.59 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: Is mysqld even running? |
| 16:59.01 | Chrissy2k5 | i get |
| 16:59.02 | Chrissy2k5 | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. > Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. > Please take a look at the syslog |
| 16:59.07 | epicenter | I have some stuff backed up but not the larger things. Like some large video files I recorded from VHS |
| 16:59.08 | mwilson | alien320: So read the rest of the log. |
| 16:59.22 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: Gee, now you know why you can't contact the server, huh? |
| 16:59.23 | alien320 | i had |
| 16:59.29 | dabreegster | Chrissy2k5: take a look at the syslog then. |
| 16:59.31 | mwilson | alien320: You haven't. |
| 16:59.35 | Chrissy2k5 | where is that |
| 16:59.51 | valdyn | minciue: an application can at most support realtime issues, it cannot be realtime, and it can also not fix your computer being to slow |
| 16:59.55 | af_ | anyone has troubles logging into phpmyadmin (sarge, last update) |
| 17:00.03 | mwilson | epicenter: If you didn't make a backup before trying something like that, you deserve whatever happened to you. |
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| 17:00.20 | alien320 | see i have VIA/S3G video card |
| 17:00.24 | green_earz | AKX: could be worth a check just to see if its there. on the boot |
| 17:00.25 | alien320 | does debain support it |
| 17:00.31 | epicenter | mwilson: Aren't we a bright ray of sunshine today. |
| 17:00.46 | Chrissy2k5 | wheres syslog ?ż |
| 17:00.47 | AKX | green_earz: yeah, im asking the guy |
| 17:00.53 | appaji | What is the best way to convert a bunch of audio tapes to ogg files using software in Debian? |
| 17:00.53 | JRWR | ive had probs with /dev/dsp (arts and ESD) habing a CPU overload and the kernal locks /dev/dsp |
| 17:00.54 | AKX | Chrissy2k5: /var/log |
| 17:01.01 | JRWR | having |
| 17:01.08 | valdyn | minciue: now jack may be "faster" than esd, but i doubt itll be as good as a kernel level solution |
| 17:01.14 | valdyn | minciue: like uh, dmix |
| 17:01.20 | valdyn | minciue: or true hardware mixing |
| 17:01.28 | timzter | When I boot off from the rescue disk, it wants to go to my /dev/hda1 of my harddisk, but that's what I am trying to rescue (disk errors). How do I prevent it from looking at /dev/hda1 automatically? |
| 17:01.36 | appaji | Will I be able to automatically split files based on the "silent" hiss in between two songs? |
| 17:01.39 | minciue | true hardware mixing is out of the q. 4 me |
| 17:01.48 | minciue | however i will try dmix thanks |
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| 17:01.58 | alien320 | i am getting screen found but unusable error |
| 17:02.06 | minciue | thanks all |
| 17:02.07 | dabreegster | minciue: Try a graphic equalizer to improve sound (it's hardware.) |
| 17:02.08 | undertow | is there a way to search from the command line for recently installed packages? |
| 17:02.25 | epicenter | mwilson: Also, you try backing up 70 GB of data to CD-R's sometime. |
| 17:02.25 | JRWR | with zsh you can |
| 17:02.32 | epicenter | When each file is >900 MB and requires segmentation |
| 17:02.37 | mwilson | epicenter: <shrug> |
| 17:02.44 | epicenter | :P |
| 17:02.45 | Teemu_K | is here someone who have some experience with wlan at debian :I |
| 17:02.46 | alien320 | any ideas guys.... |
| 17:02.51 | mwilson | epicenter: Lost your pirated media, huh? |
| 17:02.57 | JRWR | undertow: the ZSH shell can |
| 17:03.04 | minciue | :) |
| 17:03.05 | jaro | having mysterious troubles with nfs (server is running debian, client is wl500gx asus router). Can you please have a look? http://www.chupa.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=2126 |
| 17:03.07 | valdyn | !tell Teemu_K about ask |
| 17:03.08 | epicenter | Actually, archived VHS tapes I recorded years back, with a camcorder, so no. |
| 17:03.09 | Chrissy2k5 | i will paste what it says in syslog about mysql in #flood |
| 17:03.11 | alien320 | really trying to configure since last 3 days |
| 17:03.13 | alien320 | help me out |
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| 17:03.15 | epicenter | If it were say, DVD rips it'd be pirated medai |
| 17:03.16 | epicenter | media |
| 17:03.22 | epicenter | but, way to jump to conclusions there |
| 17:03.29 | WiFiTux | someone here has installed Looking Glass with nvidia crad? |
| 17:03.32 | minciue | :) funny though |
| 17:03.32 | WiFiTux | card |
| 17:03.44 | green_earz | epicenter: no its a copy for your self |
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| 17:03.58 | epicenter | green_earz : What? |
| 17:04.06 | sinaj_kitten | Is there someone who can please help me? I just installed Debian, I was going to go into Xwindows to configure network card and did startx but it doesn't appear to find my video card I think. It gives me a no screens found. At first I thought I needed the correct drivers, download the .rpm and tried to use alien to convert... but then found out they are the same version of Xfree drivers I have installed. |
| 17:04.31 | alien320 | hey sinaj me also getting same error |
| 17:04.32 | valdyn | sinaj_kitten: dont use alien for this |
| 17:04.33 | JRWR | i had that prob too |
| 17:04.53 | alien320 | hmmm |
| 17:04.54 | fubar | jaro: try the 'nolock' mountoption on the client |
| 17:05.03 | timzter | When I boot off from the rescue disk, it wants to go to my /dev/hda1 of my harddisk, but that's what I am trying to rescue (disk errors). How do I prevent it from looking at /dev/hda1 automatically? How do I mount to another root filesystem? |
| 17:05.10 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.10 | dabreegster | sinaj_kitten: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. but that shouldve already been done. |
| 17:05.13 | valdyn | sinaj_kitten: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, remove that rpm you installed via alien, tell us what card you have |
| 17:05.25 | epicenter | green_earz: Of stuff I shot myself |
| 17:05.40 | sinaj_kitten | I couldn't get alient to work properly anyways... but after reading teh error I get when I do startx it is loading the xfree module 6.3.6 so I don't think it is the drivers. |
| 17:05.46 | epicenter | I own the copyright to anything I record. It's not a legal issue and I don't see why that even has to come into play |
| 17:05.52 | sinaj_kitten | ATI 9800 Pro |
| 17:05.57 | bbrazil | timzter: root=/dev/blah |
| 17:06.03 | dabreegster | good card. |
| 17:06.07 | valdyn | !tell sinaj_kitten about ati drivers |
| 17:06.12 | jaro | fubar: tried, nothing changed. |
| 17:06.16 | green_earz | epicenter: no as long as it was for the right price. it ok |
| 17:06.25 | alien320 | my driver is VIA s3G Km400 |
| 17:06.33 | alien320 | does vesa work with it |
| 17:06.36 | valdyn | sinaj_kitten: use the premade debs as far as possible from that site, do not listen to his paranoid babble |
| 17:06.42 | fubar | jaro: likely a firewall issue |
| 17:06.47 | jaro | fubar: Is there any way how to obtain more detailed description of what's going on than that pasted from log? |
| 17:06.55 | timzter | bbrazil: Hmm...but I must know what the different filesystems I have are. I dont remmeber. Need to get to a prompt where I can issue a command to find out. |
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| 17:07.30 | valdyn | !tell sinaj_kitten about noscreensfound |
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| 17:07.43 | bbrazil | timzter: knoppix cd - also on boot up the kernel should list all the partitions it can see |
| 17:08.08 | jaro | fubar: nope, iptables are clean and with ACCEPT policies. On both sides. |
| 17:08.36 | valdyn | !tell sinaj_kitten about msg |
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| 17:09.59 | green_earz | epicenter: this is a terrble site for dvd rips done go there > http://www.mininova.org/ ho no its a wrong that to do. what a pitty |
| 17:10.01 | sinaj_kitten | How do you use private messages to the bots? |
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| 17:10.26 | bbrazil | /msg dpkg blah |
| 17:10.27 | green_earz | epicenter: it should be do not go there |
| 17:10.45 | epicenter | what? |
| 17:10.48 | epicenter | that made no sense |
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| 17:10.52 | epicenter | is English your first language? |
| 17:11.11 | epicenter | and this looks like nothing but bad anime :P |
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| 17:12.16 | green_earz | epicenter: yes it may first language and is it your ? |
| 17:12.23 | alien320 | can anyone help me out in configuring X |
| 17:12.47 | epicenter | Yes. Your grammar is horrible. |
| 17:12.52 | epicenter | and you are skipping a lot of words |
| 17:12.57 | timzter | bbrazil: How can I use the rescue disk simply as a boot disk? I just want to boot off from that rescue disk and just give me a prompt without touching my hard disks. |
| 17:13.14 | alien320 | i m getting error |
| 17:13.16 | alien320 | Total Memory: 1024 64Kb banks (64M) |
| 17:13.16 | alien320 | (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes |
| 17:13.16 | alien320 | (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" |
| 17:13.16 | alien320 | (II) UnloadModule: "ddc" |
| 17:13.16 | alien320 | (II) UnloadModule: "int10" |
| 17:13.16 | alien320 | (II) UnloadModule: "vbe" |
| 17:13.17 | green_earz | epicenter: then it a bit like your atitude |
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| 17:13.48 | bbrazil | timzter: I don't know, I always just used the install disks or knoppix |
| 17:13.53 | streuner | alien320: use #flood |
| 17:13.57 | bbrazil | timzter: whats the error that you are getting? |
| 17:13.59 | streuner | alien320: next time |
| 17:14.08 | streuner | alien320: what videocard do you have? |
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| 17:14.15 | pi_ | sup |
| 17:14.39 | pi_ | So.. why in the hell did uw-imapd stop allowing plaintext passwords for non-ssl/tsl connections? |
| 17:14.48 | _hkr_ | to alien320: try a other resolution and color deep |
| 17:14.58 | pi_ | and whats worse.. the file used to store the md5 passwords is horible.. |
| 17:15.16 | alien320 | VIA/S3G Km400 |
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| 17:15.23 | pi_ | If i want my users to be able to use imap, I have to ask each one of them what they want their imap password to be.. |
| 17:15.30 | pi_ | instead of just using passwd. |
| 17:15.34 | timzter | bbrazil: If I boot from my hardidks (/dev/hda1) or if I boot from the rescue disk which WANTS to go to /dev/hda1, it will do SOME of the things in /etc/init.d, but after starting up some services (after gpm, actually), i get a bunch of identical errors regarding disk error , sector xxxxxxx, etc. It goes on and on an on without stopping. It will not give me shell prompt. |
| 17:15.35 | pi_ | whats the deal with that? |
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| 17:15.50 | streuner | alien320: is the videocard supported? |
| 17:16.11 | alien320 | i m trying with 800*600 ,1024*720 resolutuions |
| 17:16.27 | streuner | alien320: show us the output of 'lspci -v | grep VGA' |
| 17:16.30 | pi_ | and the cram-md5.pwd is clear text |
| 17:16.31 | alien320 | i dont know...how can i check that my video card is supported or not |
| 17:16.41 | pi_ | thats just a stupid idea. |
| 17:16.49 | _hkr_ | to alien320: look at google ?! |
| 17:17.02 | bbrazil | timzter: try 'init=/bin/bash ro' and fsck and badblocks it - you've got a dead HDD on your hands |
| 17:17.03 | pi_ | I do not want to store all my users passwords in clear text in any file, and I dont want their passwords to be different. |
| 17:17.05 | alien320 | yeah searched whole google |
| 17:17.10 | Teemu_K | so, my problem is, I cant get ip with wlan, when i try to ifup eth2 to get ip from dhcp, it just searches and founds nothing, |
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| 17:17.22 | streuner | alien320: what do you get with the command i gave you? |
| 17:17.27 | pi_ | sometimes its too much to ask to have your users remember multiple passwords. |
| 17:17.38 | alien320 | i am in windows...cannot go in linux |
| 17:17.40 | timzter | bbrazil: ok thanks...that will cause it not to look at my /dev/hda1, right? |
| 17:18.04 | bbrazil | timzter: it'll still look at it, but at a lot less of it |
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| 17:18.09 | streuner | alien320: why don't you just use debian to connect to IRC? |
| 17:18.10 | arnold | is it possible to ping a specific computer on a lan while you are one a tatolly different lan? |
| 17:18.18 | tarzeau | arnold: sure |
| 17:18.24 | arnold | can you tell me how |
| 17:18.26 | bbrazil | timzter: it won't start any init scripts or anything |
| 17:18.27 | tarzeau | arnold: we're talking tcp/ip ? |
| 17:18.30 | alien320 | can i connect in console mode to irs |
| 17:18.46 | tarzeau | arnold: both computers have real ip addresses assigned, and ping each others ip address? |
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| 17:18.52 | arnold | yes |
| 17:19.07 | streuner | alien320: yes, apt-get install irssi-text, type '/connect irc.debian.org' into irc-client and '/j #debian' then |
| 17:19.08 | tarzeau | arnold: what about you tell us what you really want to do? |
| 17:19.10 | pi_ | anyone here use uw-imap? |
| 17:19.30 | alien320 | okk |
| 17:19.33 | aag | i need some help with k3b |
| 17:19.39 | streuner | alien320: the NIC is working? |
| 17:19.41 | alien320 | so will connect with debain |
| 17:19.42 | tarzeau | aag: and a mindreader, right? |
| 17:19.44 | alien320 | yeah |
| 17:20.05 | aag | my cd-writer is not being detected, cdrecord is working fine |
| 17:20.17 | tarzeau | aag: must be a k3b problem |
| 17:20.26 | timzter | bbrazil: at the rescue disk's prompt, I type: init=/bin/bash ro it says: Could not find kernel image: init=/bi.n/b (exactly like that) |
| 17:20.35 | undertow | aag, cdrecord -scanbus |
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| 17:20.45 | Teemu_K | how i can save that "iwconfig eth2 mode ad-hoc" |
| 17:20.49 | Teemu_K | i mean, how i can get that option stay ;/, when i try to ifup it forgets that |
| 17:21.00 | tarzeau | Teemu_K: put it in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 17:21.20 | bbrazil | timzter: is it using lilo? |
| 17:21.22 | Teemu_K | mm, what kind line i should put there? |
| 17:21.40 | timzter | bbrazil: is what using lilo? I am using lilo on my hard disk, yes. |
| 17:21.59 | undertow | Teemu_K, 'auto eth2 mode ad-hoc' or similar |
| 17:22.02 | arnold | really, i was wondering if its possible to host 2 domain names off one dsl line |
| 17:22.07 | aag | undertow, that gave some error messages |
| 17:22.28 | green_earz | aag: cdrecord -scanbus see it ? have you got dvd+rw-tools installed ? |
| 17:22.33 | undertow | aag, then cdrecord _isnt_ working fine ;) |
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| 17:23.20 | timzter | I cant believe I can't find even ONE link on Google about how to USE this rescue disk, the various commands available, etc.! |
| 17:23.23 | pi_ | does anyone here use splitfire? |
| 17:23.30 | WiFiTux | hhmm where can I ask about Java and the packages that are in Debian. I wonfer if jdk-1_5_0-beta2-linux-i586.bin is in a debian Package. |
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| 17:23.35 | cg0def | is it possible to use module-assistant with kernel-headers or do I have to get the kernel source? |
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| 17:23.49 | aag | green_earz, yes its installed |
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| 17:24.26 | DavidS | WiFiTux: no, but see java-package |
| 17:24.37 | bbrazil | timzter: then press tab and get the image names, what I gave you were arguments. you'll probably type 'linux init=...' |
| 17:24.46 | green_earz | aag: ls -l the /dev/hdXX where the burner is to look at permissions |
| 17:24.49 | WiFiTux | DavidS, yeah, I have that. I was wondering about the SDK's. |
| 17:24.59 | pi_ | doesnt anyone use splitfire? |
| 17:25.00 | DavidS | cg0def: using "module-assistant prepare" will download whatever you need |
| 17:25.06 | timzter | bbrazil: Tab doesnt display anything |
| 17:25.08 | cow | aag, are you using kernel 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 17:25.28 | cg0def | DavidS: I get an error that says that binary packages for the kernel are missing |
| 17:25.29 | aag | cow, 2.6 |
| 17:25.33 | green_earz | aag: you could be having a permissions problem |
| 17:25.35 | cg0def | DavidS: what is that? |
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| 17:25.40 | aag | green_earz, rw owner, rw group |
| 17:25.48 | timzter | bbrazil: Ok, I just typed linux.bin init=/bin/bash ro (I saw 'linux.bin' scroll by in earlier attempts) |
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| 17:25.58 | flawd | Trying to get my scanner to work for a user (works as root). Added user to group "scanner". "scanimage -L" still doesnt show the scanner as normal user. This is a usb scanner. Noted that I do not have anything in /dev/ called usb* |
| 17:26.08 | DavidS | WiFiTux: IIRC is the sun jdk non-distributable, therefore you have to download it yourself and use java-package on it. |
| 17:26.30 | cow | aag, for i in '' PI;do cdrecord dev=ATA$i -scanbus;done;# does this spit out any device? |
| 17:26.32 | timzter | bbrazil: But tab didnt do anything. OK it booted now, and gave me a shell prmpt. |
| 17:26.36 | hingwah | um..no debian weekly news last week? |
| 17:26.41 | green_earz | aag: so are you a member of that group ? use the command groups to see |
| 17:26.47 | DavidS | cg0def: I used module-assistant only with kernel-package-built kernels. is your kernel built by make-kpkg? |
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| 17:27.05 | fubar | jaro: one last thing.. try rsize=512,wsize=512 |
| 17:27.05 | aag | green_earz, yes, the group is cdrom, i'm a member |
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| 17:27.14 | streuner | hingwah: there was somebody who asked the same question some hours ago... |
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| 17:27.28 | bbrazil | timzter: run badblocks on that disk |
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| 17:27.32 | cahoot | flawd: user is actually in scanner group atm - check with groups |
| 17:27.36 | cg0def | DavidS: no I have the one from apt |
| 17:27.41 | timzter | bbrazil: which one first? fsck? |
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| 17:28.06 | hingwah | streuner: oh ,then what is the answer? |
| 17:28.11 | DavidS | cg0def: official kernels are all built with make-kpkg |
| 17:28.14 | green_earz | aag: ls -l /usr/bin/growisofs |
| 17:28.20 | streuner | hingwah: no idea, hold on. |
| 17:28.20 | hingwah | streuner: sorry mistype a /msg |
| 17:28.34 | cg0def | DavidS: well I ment that I didn't do it myself |
| 17:28.40 | jaro | fubar: god knows what the hell is going on ;( Maybe some sort of incompatiblity or bug in nfs protocol on the client machine :-/ Won't work with those setting either. |
| 17:28.40 | bbrazil | timzter: I'm not sure to be honest - I'd suggest pulling all your essential data off that disk first. |
| 17:28.45 | cg0def | DavidS: I thought that's what you were asking |
| 17:28.56 | aag | green_earz, x for all |
| 17:29.04 | DavidS | cg0def: msg me the error message |
| 17:29.27 | green_earz | aag: paste it back ls -l /usr/bin/growisofs |
| 17:29.27 | timzter | bbrazil: remind me...now that Ihave the prompt, can I get to the various filesystems? |
| 17:29.46 | bbrazil | timzter: mount |
| 17:30.05 | flawd | cahoot, weird. I did "adduser jesper scanner" |
| 17:30.07 | flawd | as root |
| 17:30.15 | sinaj_kitten | Are there any issues with Debian working with a Gigabyte motherboard that has built in LAN? |
| 17:30.17 | flawd | groups does not list me in scanner group |
| 17:30.20 | aag | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 59160 2004-08-30 18:48 /usr/bin/growisofs |
| 17:30.20 | cahoot | flawd: logout/login as user |
| 17:30.22 | Roldyx | bbrazil, argentina powa! |
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| 17:30.24 | streuner | hingwah: how did you check usually DWN? |
| 17:30.26 | flawd | cahoot, ty |
| 17:30.26 | cg0def | DavidS: actually the error is different than what I said |
| 17:30.32 | flawd | :) |
| 17:30.33 | aag | green_earz, could it be a driver problem? |
| 17:30.43 | flawd | cahoot, that simple heh. should have tried it. sorry |
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| 17:30.55 | aag | green_earz, i dont seem to have the ide-scsi module loaded |
| 17:30.56 | cg0def | DavidS: it starts compiling and then it starts looking for a directory scripts in the kernel-headers but there isn't any |
| 17:31.16 | hingwah | streuner: from http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ |
| 17:31.22 | flawd | cahoot, thank you very much *bows* |
| 17:31.32 | cahoot | flawd: no problem |
| 17:31.44 | green_earz | aag: no its not a drive problem, you are lock out as a genral user. root root you need to change the group root to say cdrom |
| 17:32.23 | aag | green_earz, lemme try |
| 17:32.23 | timzter | bbrazil: I dont understand. When I type just 'mount', I see several entries. For example, one says, "/dev/hdb2 on /bitbucket type ext3 (rw)" but when I cd to /bitbucket it is empty, but I know there is stuff in there. |
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| 17:32.27 | DavidS | cg0def: what modules do you want to compile? |
| 17:32.30 | jaro | I tried to build mipsel-linux custom toolchain in order to have dpkg-cross working. However, I would like to have these tools (compiler/kernel-headers) being compiled from patched or alternate (in that case, not a debian package at all) sources. Is there any correct way how to do that? |
| 17:32.36 | streuner | hingwah: http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/debian-news-2005/msg00014.html |
| 17:32.39 | green_earz | aag: can you see what i mean ? root root change to root cdrom |
| 17:32.55 | streuner | hingwah: subsribe next time to debian-news |
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| 17:33.28 | bbrazil | timzter: then you probably have bigger problems |
| 17:33.29 | green_earz | aag: you can only get access to growisofs as root at the moment |
| 17:33.34 | cg0def | DavidS: fglrx and alsa |
| 17:33.47 | timzter | hmmm |
| 17:33.53 | cg0def | DavidS: alsa because the driver for indigo wasn't included in the official one |
| 17:34.00 | hingwah | streuner: i see,so the site is not updated because of people.debian.org down b4 |
| 17:34.01 | timzter | bbrazil: Am I missing a step or something? |
| 17:34.10 | aag | green_earz, no, the x bit is set for all |
| 17:34.24 | timzter | bbrazil: /bitbucket is on a different physical drive |
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| 17:34.37 | aag | green_earz, anyway, i changed group to cdrom, still not working |
| 17:34.43 | cg0def | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.43 | cg0def | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.43 | cg0def | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.43 | cg0def | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.44 | cg0def | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.34 | trc | Gnome Photo Printer is great! Don't have to worry anymore about fixing the pics to fit in paper. From gimp used to be a pain (for me). But, how do you fit 4 pics on one sheet? |
| 17:35.35 | aag | green_earz, do i need ide-scsi with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:35.51 | green_earz | aag: can you burn dvd as root ?? |
| 17:35.58 | crashbg | where was the conquerror's mouse gestures configuration ? |
| 17:36.14 | bbrazil | timzter: Ah, its usin your old mtab which is from the previous boot |
| 17:36.22 | bbrazil | timzter: cat /proc/mounts |
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| 17:36.25 | green_earz | aag: with the 2.6 scsi emulation is built in |
| 17:36.27 | cg0def | DavidS: well the error looks something like that but it was supposed to be sent only to you |
| 17:36.37 | aag | green_earz, thats what i thought |
| 17:36.43 | Nprfrldr | is there a way for me to access files on a usb storage device formated ntfs? The device appears to be connected as it shows up in the program USB View, but how would I mount / access the files? |
| 17:36.48 | aag | green_earz, yes, i've burnt a CD as root |
| 17:36.53 | timzter | bbrazil: cat: /proc/mounts: No such file or directory |
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| 17:37.15 | bbrazil | timzter: mount -a |
| 17:37.38 | timzter | bbrazil: mount -a mount point /proc/bus/usb does not exist |
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| 17:38.09 | takatumi | cg0def: installed the kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-k7 package? |
| 17:38.10 | bbrazil | timzter: that error doen't matter in this case |
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| 17:38.37 | DavidS | cg0def: checking ... |
| 17:38.38 | cg0def | takatumi: yeah that's what I am running right now |
| 17:38.43 | timzter | bbrazil: ok now what |
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| 17:38.48 | a_monkey | how do i get audacity to recognize my eMac's little builtin audio recorder so i can record my voice with audacity? |
| 17:38.50 | aag | green_earz, i'm sure it is a permission problem. it works as root |
| 17:38.52 | takatumi | cg0def: not the image, the headers package. |
| 17:39.00 | bbrazil | timzter: now can you get to /proc/mounts? |
| 17:39.01 | cg0def | takatumi: it seems like module-assistant cannot follow links |
| 17:39.19 | cg0def | takatumi: scripts is a link to another directory |
| 17:39.29 | timzter | bbrazil: there is nothing in /proc directory |
| 17:39.30 | green_earz | aag: i could only burn dvd as root so i change the group ownership on growisofs and the mount point to the drive. to a group i am a member of, cdrom |
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| 17:39.38 | bbrazil | timzter: mount it manually |
| 17:40.08 | timzter | bbrazil: But I need a mount point, dont I/ |
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| 17:40.18 | aag | green_earz, mount point? |
| 17:40.20 | timzter | bbrazil: cant create mount point..because it's ro. |
| 17:40.28 | bbrazil | timzter: you already have the mount point |
| 17:40.49 | cg0def | DavidS, takatumi: I think I found the error there is a missing directory |
| 17:41.05 | DavidS | cg0def: yeah, it seems to build for me .. no error yet |
| 17:41.06 | timzter | bbrazil: ok I could mount it |
| 17:41.12 | green_earz | aag: cat /etc/fstab |
| 17:41.22 | cow | aag, is your cdrecorder writable for .cdrom ? |
| 17:41.47 | cow | aag, (didn't follow closely, sorry) |
| 17:41.47 | cg0def | DavidS: I don't have kernel-kbuild-2.6.3 for some reason |
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| 17:42.03 | aag | cow, i didnt get you |
| 17:42.09 | bbrazil | timzter: the files should be there now |
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| 17:42.39 | jetscreamer | apt-get moo ! |
| 17:42.41 | aag | green_earz, /dev/hda /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 17:42.57 | timzter | bbrazil: yes they are thanks. Now ...what's the difference between fsck and badblocks? |
| 17:43.05 | cow | aag, you seem to have a problem to use cdrecord as uid!=0. You seem to be in group cdrom. Is group cdrom allowed to write to the cdrom device (e.g. /dev/hda)? |
| 17:43.42 | cg0def | DavidS: yeap everything is working now |
| 17:43.50 | cow | aag, s/cdrom device/cdrecorder device/ |
| 17:43.50 | Nprfrldr | is there a way for me to access files on a usb storage device formated ntfs? The device appears to be connected as it shows up in the program USB View, but how would I mount / access the files? |
| 17:43.50 | mwilson | timzter: fsck couldn't care less about the media, it is, as its name makes clear, a filesystem checker. |
| 17:43.58 | DavidS | cg0def: good :) |
| 17:44.11 | cg0def | DavidS: does module-assistant has a cache of tasks that were not finished? |
| 17:44.17 | timzter | mwilson: But it also corrects problems, no? |
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| 17:44.21 | cg0def | DavidS: and if so how can you clean it |
| 17:44.26 | mwilson | timzter: badblocks couldn't care less about the data you store on it, it cares about the media. |
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| 17:44.35 | mwilson | timzter: Media errors? Of course not. |
| 17:44.41 | bbrazil | timzter: fsck checks the filesystem, badblocks checks the disk. looking at the manpage, e2fsck -c does whats needed but you'll need a new hdd |
| 17:44.44 | DavidS | cg0def: I don't think so, but look at /var/cache/... |
| 17:44.56 | green_earz | aag: i would say have a go at burning a .iso image with growisofs as root, its not that bad. man growisofs to see the drive working ok. then sorry out the user problem |
| 17:44.58 | cg0def | DavidS: ok thanks |
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| 17:45.45 | timzter | bbrazil: well, /dev/hda5 is fine... the problems are on /dev/hda1 ... so I dont need a new hard drive if I can boot off from another partition, right? |
| 17:46.09 | Oliver | is packages.debian.org down for anyone else? |
| 17:46.10 | cow | aag, also, (IIRC) there was an option to make cdrecord suid 0 in dpkg --reconfigure cdrecord. Did you set the suid bit for cdrecord? |
| 17:46.18 | green_earz | aag: k3b uses growisofs to burn dvds |
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| 17:46.37 | aag | cow, no, i didnt set the bit |
| 17:46.52 | d0uglas | when my apache has many connections open with many ips, when it gets really heavy, the whole thing drops offline.. i'm trying to narrow down the culprit. Is it possible that an old-ass motherboard embedded nic just can't handle these incoming packets from different sources and it just gives up eventually? Can this be a hardware issue? |
| 17:46.54 | aag | cow, should i? |
| 17:47.00 | bbrazil | timzter: if blocks are starting to go in one place on the drive... |
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| 17:47.16 | aag | green_earz, i dont have a dvd writer, just a cd writer |
| 17:47.18 | cow | green_earz,aag, does aag use "k3b" (whatever that may be?) or plain cdrecord |
| 17:47.22 | takatumi | cg0def: look at the module-assistant manpage, clean probably. |
| 17:47.23 | Oliver | d0uglas: presume you've read the log files? |
| 17:47.36 | mwilson | d0uglas: Why would it be a hardware issue? |
| 17:47.45 | d0uglas | k3b's a gui for cd burning |
| 17:47.51 | cow | aag, do you use plain cdrecord or some kind of frontend? |
| 17:48.03 | aag | cow, i want to use k3b |
| 17:48.10 | green_earz | aag: big sorrrry i thought it was dvd burning that was the problem sorry again |
| 17:48.18 | d0uglas | mwilson: someone here suggested it after i tweaked the conf to go easy on apache |
| 17:48.32 | mwilson | Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 17:48.32 | cow | green_earz, i'm not sure that this makes any difference for aag |
| 17:48.34 | d0uglas | Oliver: someone here suggested it... |
| 17:49.14 | mwilson | I don't suppose anyone actually gets to know what "the whole thing drops offline" actually means, or anything. |
| 17:49.14 | Oliver | if theres nothing unusual in the last few lines of error_log, then it could be a hardware issue, how long is the box staying up for at a time? |
| 17:49.18 | timzter | bbrazil: hmm....now when i do: fsck /dev/hda1 almost immediatley it says /dev/hda1: clean, 9009/29312 files, 23439/50195 blocks. it doesnt show any errors. And it's so quick. Am I actually looking at the hard drive?? |
| 17:49.26 | d0uglas | Oliver: i mean, i'm coming in remotely and if the thing crashed it would not have been able to mention anything to the log file |
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| 17:49.51 | bbrazil | timzter: no, that just checking the data structures - try badblocks on it |
| 17:49.53 | Oliver | d0uglas: i was thinking run away processes, database connections not closing properly, anything like that? |
| 17:50.14 | cow | aag, are you able to access/read an already written cd (i assume you do)? |
| 17:50.18 | Chrissy2k5 | can anyone tell me where mysqld is normally located when installing mysql-server via apt-get install mysql-server |
| 17:50.20 | mwilson | timzter: You've been told what the difference between fsck and badblocks is at least twice now. |
| 17:50.21 | d0uglas | well, it's happened three times, once it was up for 15 days and i started promoting the site and it happened, another time same thing but a couple days.. uptime doesn't seem to be an issue |
| 17:50.22 | bbrazil | timzter: there is always a chance that its the controller and that the drive is fine |
| 17:50.30 | Oliver | so, cany anyone get to http://packages.debian.org? |
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| 17:50.47 | cow | aag, which device-node do you use for accessing you cdrecoder? |
| 17:50.51 | aag | cow, yes, no issues in reading |
| 17:50.58 | p8m | Oliver |
| 17:51.01 | p8m | :I can |
| 17:51.07 | mwilson | Oliver: You didn't try tracerouting to it or anything constructive, of course. |
| 17:51.10 | Oliver | d0uglas: when it goes down, i presume you can ssh in? |
| 17:51.15 | d0uglas | no |
| 17:51.21 | timzter | mwilson: yes i know...but what was told to me thus far did not explain why fsck completes so fast |
| 17:51.23 | d0uglas | it's as if it's dead completely |
| 17:51.36 | aag | cow, /dev/cdrom ... symbolic link to /dev/hda |
| 17:51.38 | mwilson | timzter: Why wouldn't it? |
| 17:51.43 | Chrissy2k5 | can anyone tell me where mysqld.sock is normally located when installing mysql-server via apt-get install mysql-server |
| 17:51.51 | cow | aag, ls -las /dev/hda |
| 17:51.55 | mwilson | timzter: For the THIRD time, it's only checking the filesystem. |
| 17:51.57 | d0uglas | i have no way of knowing if the box panics or if it's just tcp related |
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| 17:52.05 | timzter | mwilson: because I have seen fsck work in previous times and it took at least some time. This time it's instantaneous |
| 17:52.06 | takatumi | Chrissy2k5: try dplg -L <package> |
| 17:52.17 | Chrissy2k5 | good idea |
| 17:52.18 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: Did you ever fix the fact that the server wasn't starting up? |
| 17:52.18 | d0uglas | and you think a clue might be in apache's error log and not the system's message log? |
| 17:52.21 | timzter | mwilson: I know you can count, thanks. |
| 17:52.21 | Oliver | d0uglas: it could be hardware then, could be bad ram as well |
| 17:52.26 | aag | 0 brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 0 2005-04-10 23:21 /dev/hda |
| 17:52.26 | Chrissy2k5 | nwilson no :( |
| 17:52.29 | Chrissy2k5 | still trying |
| 17:52.44 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: Then, since you know the server isn't running, why are you still going on about the socket? |
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| 17:52.57 | Oliver | mwilson: most websites drop traceroutes, so there isn't usually much point |
| 17:53.02 | Chrissy2k5 | CoS it wont run because it cant find mysql.sock |
| 17:53.03 | cow | aag, hdparm -i /dev/hda | head -n 1 |
| 17:53.12 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: Oh? |
| 17:53.19 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: How do you figure? |
| 17:53.26 | d0uglas | Oliver: also, my outgoing is 50KBs max and that's not that much .. you'd think a very old machine could handle that |
| 17:53.30 | Chrissy2k5 | Ummm |
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| 17:53.33 | Chrissy2k5 | tells me in syslog |
| 17:53.41 | mwilson | Sure it does. |
| 17:53.54 | Chrissy2k5 | Řh MY God it does |
| 17:54.05 | green_earz | cow: just saying hdparm is a handy tools |
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| 17:54.20 | aag | cow, there are blank lines, what info do you want? |
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| 17:54.34 | d0uglas | it just seems to be the type of traffic, that is its having to handle many different visitors at the same time.. wouldn't do this if it were just straight up uploading one file forever |
| 17:54.36 | Chrissy2k5 | ummm |
| 17:54.37 | cow | aag, do you see any relevant messages in dmesg or /var/log/messages regarding access to hda? |
| 17:54.37 | Oliver | d0uglas: try running memtest on the box, if it's getting a fair number of hits, then it could be hidding a bad portion of ram and crippling the box |
| 17:54.37 | Chrissy2k5 | `//hat †he Hell |
| 17:54.39 | Chrissy2k5 | bash: dplg: command not found |
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| 17:54.54 | cow | aag, the first line, the drive id |
| 17:55.03 | Chrissy2k5 | Never ,\\ind |
| 17:55.07 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: What's 'dplg' supposed to be? |
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| 17:55.13 | Chrissy2k5 | Never ,\\ind |
| 17:55.23 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: Oh, please lose the moron-speak, huh? |
| 17:55.32 | cow | aag, | head -n 4, rather. sorry |
| 17:55.37 | nSe | witch app i need to deal with .rar files ? |
| 17:55.41 | fabietto | how i can see the domain name of my machine? |
| 17:55.42 | haYnguy | my sound isnt working, everything is plugged in, loaded, unmuted, raised, turned on,etc and it still isnt working |
| 17:55.46 | mwilson | nSe: "deal with"? |
| 17:55.59 | Oliver | nSe: rar and unrar |
| 17:56.05 | Chrissy2k5 | mwilson i will think about it mate ;) |
| 17:56.09 | aag | Model=SONY CD-RW/DVD-ROM CRX830E, FwRev=KDK3, SerialNo= |
| 17:56.11 | nSe | mwilson: yes, deal with |
| 17:56.16 | mwilson | wafm |
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| 17:56.22 | d0uglas | Oliver: i'm using a 2.4 kernel .. as i'm not near the machine and won't be for a while, i want to take as many software steps as possible to prevent this .. you think some of those steps in addition to tweaking apache is to install bandwidth throttlers? |
| 17:56.35 | cow | aag, for i in '' PI;do cdrecord dev=ATA$i -scanbus;done;# does this spit out any device? |
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| 17:57.05 | d0uglas | is the latest kernel considered to have a more solid tcp ip rig? |
| 17:57.07 | d0uglas | than 2.4? |
| 17:57.33 | aag | cow, yeah, a lot of output |
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| 17:58.00 | d0uglas | Oliver: also, the website uses gallery and that is php.. could some kind of php overload be another possibility? |
| 17:58.08 | Oliver | kernel version shouldn't be the issue here, and i doubt actual bandwidth is the issue. |
| 17:58.23 | cow | aag, including something indicating that your recorder is on e.g ATAPI:1,2,7 ? or none |
| 17:58.31 | bbrazil | timzter: check the mapage, I've only ever had to use it twice |
| 17:58.49 | nSe | Oliver: command not found for both rar and unrar, what i need to install? |
| 17:58.53 | Oliver | check you're apache error_log file, and you're mysql log (i presume you're using) |
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| 17:59.08 | cow | aag, if cdrecord can't find your device, i don't know how to help you, sorry :-/ |
| 17:59.13 | d0uglas | ok .. |
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| 17:59.27 | d0uglas | thanks, by the way |
| 17:59.44 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: The log does not tell you that mysqld won't start because it can't find the socket. 'Nuff said. |
| 17:59.57 | Chrissy2k5 | eally |
| 17:59.59 | Chrissy2k5 | really |
| 18:00.00 | aag | scsidev: 'ATA' devname: 'ATA' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface. |
| 18:00.02 | Oliver | it could be running out of file descriptors if the php app isn't closing connections properly |
| 18:00.09 | LorD_Da_Hammer | alguien que hable castellano |
| 18:00.30 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: Yep. |
| 18:00.31 | nSe | !es |
| 18:00.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:00.32 | cow | aag, can you successfully cdrecord dev=/dev/hda -prcap ? |
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| 18:00.42 | LorD_Da_Hammer | gracias |
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| 18:01.35 | Chrissy2k5 | qladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping' resulted in |
| 18:01.35 | Chrissy2k5 | Apr 10 18:50:09 192 /etc/init.d/mysql[19694]: ^G/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at '127.0.0.1' failed |
| 18:01.35 | Chrissy2k5 | Apr 10 18:50:09 192 /etc/init.d/mysql[19694]: error: 'Lost connection to MySQL server during query' |
| 18:01.35 | Chrissy2k5 | Apr 10 18:50:09 192 /etc/init.d/mysql[19694]: |
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| 18:01.49 | Oliver | nSe: i'm pretty new to debian, but most linux distros call the packages rar and unrar, according to the package list, both exist, but are marked "non-free", not sure if that effects apt-get's ability to auto download/install |
| 18:01.51 | Chrissy2k5 | sugar :P |
| 18:02.10 | schelm | can i boot from a usb-floppy? (notebook) |
| 18:02.24 | aag | cow, yes ... it gave output indicating that the drive is writable |
| 18:02.35 | nSe | Oliver: is it does, i think... |
| 18:02.46 | cow | aag, did you do this as user or as 0 (root)? |
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| 18:02.51 | Chrissy2k5 | mwilson- Apr 10 16:50:42 192 /etc/init.d/mysql[19022]: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 18:03.03 | nSe | do anybody know witch package i need to install in order to have rar and unrar? |
| 18:03.04 | aag | cow, "Does write CD-RW media" |
| 18:03.10 | aag | cow, as root |
| 18:03.25 | schelm | is it possible to boot a notebook from a usb-floppy? |
| 18:03.43 | Markrian | nSe, "rar" |
| 18:03.43 | cow | aag, if as user, apt-get remove --purge k3b |
| 18:04.06 | crashbg | sched, if the bios supports it... |
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| 18:04.20 | cow | aag, and as user? (again, dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord and make it suid, i'd propose) |
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| 18:04.35 | aag | cow, as user too, it works |
| 18:04.40 | flawd | cahoot, I have logged out and back in now and the problem remains with the scanner :/ |
| 18:04.48 | nSe | Markrian: Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:04.49 | nSe | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 18:04.49 | nSe | is only available from another source |
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| 18:05.04 | aag | cow, so i reinstall k3b? |
| 18:05.30 | nSe | Markrian: any idea? |
| 18:06.09 | cow | aag, does burning an image as user via cdrecord work, too? |
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| 18:06.34 | aag | cow, hmmm ... haven't tried that |
| 18:06.49 | inu | nse, what Debian version? is non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 18:07.13 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: There's some reason you think you need to DCC MP3 files to me? |
| 18:07.30 | nSe | inu: sarge, i think maybe non-free is not in sources.list, which line i need to add? |
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| 18:07.53 | cow | aag, yes perhaps reinstall k3b. If that doesn't help and you are able to burn pre-made ISOs as user, just forget about or fix k3b.. |
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| 18:08.09 | timzter | bbrazil: 1 bad block found |
| 18:08.21 | aag | cow, i dont have blanks at the moment to try it, what if it doesnt work as user? |
| 18:08.22 | inu | nse, where you have a 'deb' entry add the word non-free to the end of the line, where you have main and probably contrib |
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| 18:08.43 | nSe | inu: i'll do that, thanks |
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| 18:09.02 | inu | nse, then apt-get update and try to install again, or download the deb from packages.debian.org and install with dpkg |
| 18:09.07 | cow | aag, perhaps ask on the k3b-user list? |
| 18:09.18 | valdyn | aag: you should not need blanks to test things, if you use emulation |
| 18:09.20 | d0uglas | Oliver: no clues in apache's error log, nothing in log/messages, the mysql logs and err logs are empty .. any other log files i should check? |
| 18:09.37 | aag | cow, oh ok, i'll see |
| 18:09.50 | arnold | what all has to be done to enable X tunneling through ssh? |
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| 18:10.07 | aag | cow, if nothing works, i'll try the k3b list |
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| 18:10.14 | valdyn | !ssh x |
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| 18:10.28 | pixil9 | Anyone here runnin ut99 v451 on linux? |
| 18:10.37 | aag | cow, green_earz, valdyn, thanks a lot |
| 18:10.37 | cow | aag, i'm not familiar with "k3b", but if cdrecord as user works, that frontend should work too. If it doesn't, it either is a configuration mistake on your side or (perhaps) a glitch in k3b; guess the latter is unlikely, dunno. |
| 18:10.38 | Oliver | d0uglas: not that i can think of, if it were a windies box, i'd tell you to set up performance counters on ram and CPU to see if anything ran away before hanging, not sure what the best way of doing the equivilent is under linux |
| 18:10.39 | d0uglas | arnold: consider vncserver |
| 18:10.47 | arnold | ok |
| 18:10.51 | nSe | inu: i have the word testing and main, there's no contrib. am i missing something? |
| 18:10.51 | inu | !sshx |
| 18:10.51 | dpkg | from memory, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 18:11.09 | arnold | i tried that but i cant seem to get the syntax right |
| 18:11.20 | arnold | could you give me an examle one? |
| 18:11.21 | d0uglas | Oliver: is there some sort of php behavior log somewhere? |
| 18:11.34 | valdyn | arnold: on the host enable X11Forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, restart ssh, and log in w/ "ssh -X" from your client |
| 18:11.40 | inu | nse, just put a space after main and add non-free, though if you're not going to use non-free packages frequently just getting the deb and dpkg -i will be simpler |
| 18:11.54 | Oliver | d0uglas: afaik, that would go into the apache logs |
| 18:11.58 | inu | nse, by use i mean install ;o |
| 18:12.01 | d0uglas | arnold : vncserver -geometry 800x600 does it for me |
| 18:12.09 | d0uglas | nuts |
| 18:12.12 | arnold | ok |
| 18:12.15 | WiFiTux | Someone knows why I can't do this? |
| 18:12.17 | WiFiTux | debian:/usr/local# /bin/bash jdk-1_5_0-beta2-linux-i586.bin |
| 18:12.17 | WiFiTux | /bin/bash: jdk-1_5_0-beta2-linux-i586.bin: No such file or directory |
| 18:12.41 | d0uglas | ok well thanks anyway oliver.. guess i'll just switch nics and drop some more ram in there, maybe increase the swap |
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| 18:12.45 | schelm | WiFiTux, chmod +x jdk* |
| 18:12.46 | valdyn | WiFiTux: './' before the jdk |
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| 18:13.08 | WiFiTux | valdyn, same thing. |
| 18:13.15 | WiFiTux | schelm, let me c |
| 18:13.32 | d0uglas | arnold: you can run that as many times as you want for more separate desktops, each new one being your ip:1, ip:2, etc |
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| 18:13.54 | arnold | ok thanks |
| 18:14.22 | ddfire | hi i have problems whit my DVD i can burn them whit k3b but when i try to read someone i cant |
| 18:14.47 | WiFiTux | schelm, ok, thanks that did it. |
| 18:14.54 | d0uglas | arnold: if you want it to be windows vnc server style where it fires up the same desktop that's on the console and not a new one, kde comes with something to that effect |
| 18:15.23 | ddfire | and i cant use the cdrom drive to |
| 18:15.25 | arnold | whats it called |
| 18:15.44 | flawd | Trying to make normal user access scanner. I have no "/etc/hotplug/usb/libsane.usermap". Do i install some deb to get it? |
| 18:15.45 | Ragan | !tell WiFiTux about c |
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| 18:16.17 | mwilson | Chrissy2k5: Yes, yes, the initscript is trying to tell you that the server isn't running. Fix it. |
| 18:16.23 | Oliver | if i needed a package from deb-experimental, and it's dependancies, but the rest of the system needs to stay on it's current version, whats the best way to install them? |
| 18:16.24 | fanti | uhm i've some trouble with the scheduler. the kernel (2.4.20) has more than 600000 context switches per second while the cpus are 60% idle..... |
| 18:16.32 | dacer | hi I just install a PCI - Usb 2.0 card, is a conceptronic cusb6ifp, and with lspci I only view 1 device as 2.0 and others as 1.1 (I have only a printer and a mouse connected, both of them are 1.1), are this normal? |
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| 18:16.46 | tonix | hi guys, where can i find a tutorial about debian installation on ipaq pda? thanks |
| 18:16.48 | Oliver | dacer: thats normal |
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| 18:17.39 | dacer | ok, thats my lscpi : http://www.pastebin.com/269692 |
| 18:17.39 | d0uglas | Oliver: is there a package i can install that keeps tabs/logs on the eth so i can see if this happens a couple more times if there is something in common, like the number of open connects, open connects per user, .. something along those lines at which point it dies? |
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| 18:18.16 | arnold | d0uglas: do you know the name of the kde program you referd to? |
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| 18:18.23 | Oliver | d0uglas: ntop will monitor, but i;m not sure if it'll log statistics |
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| 18:19.00 | streuner | dacer: what kernel? |
| 18:19.01 | d0uglas | arnold: shoot, forgot.. play with apt cache search .. i remember you can find it by going through the control panel looking for "desktop sharing" |
| 18:19.13 | arnold | ok |
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| 18:19.23 | arnold | thanks for the help |
| 18:19.25 | d0uglas | think a vanilla vnc client on any platform still works with the kde thing |
| 18:19.26 | timzter | bbrazil: How do I use the output of badblocks to prevent the bad block from being accessed again in future (equivalent of MSDOS chdsk /f) |
| 18:19.35 | troubled | simonrvn: wake up |
| 18:19.40 | d0uglas | no prob buddy |
| 18:19.43 | chealer | hi troubled |
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| 18:19.46 | Oliver | dacer: pretty sure thats normal, normally you have a OHCI or UHCI bridge for each USB root bridge (port), and one EHCI bridge for USB2 transfers |
| 18:19.51 | bbrazil | timzter: check the fsck manpage, its there somewhere |
| 18:20.26 | troubled | chealer: ? |
| 18:20.42 | timzter | bbrazil: I dont have man fsck on my ssytem (since it's read-only now), and I looked at 'man fsck' on google. each link offers a somewhat different man page. |
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| 18:21.11 | d0uglas | Oliver: last question .. let's say this is related to the gallery program specifically, not apache, not php, not sql, not ram .. for a pic site would you suggest a substitute that might be more robust? |
| 18:21.33 | timzter | bbrazil: can you send me the output of 'man fsck' privately? |
| 18:21.53 | dacer | OliverOliver, reload pastebin, please |
| 18:21.58 | dacer | Oliver, reload pastebin, please |
| 18:22.11 | troubled | chealer: yes? |
| 18:22.33 | chealer | troubled: I just said welcome :) |
| 18:22.36 | mwilson | timzter: If you have an IDE drive that actually needs badblocks used on it, replace it sooner than later. |
| 18:22.47 | troubled | chealer: danke |
| 18:22.51 | bbrazil | timzter: e2fcsk -c does what you want |
| 18:23.06 | timzter | mwilson: will try. |
| 18:23.23 | Chrissy2k5 | mwilson- Apr 10 16:50:42 192 /etc/init.d/mysql[19022]: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 18:23.25 | dacer | streuner 2.6.8 |
| 18:23.25 | Chrissy2k5 | yawn |
| 18:23.38 | Oliver | d0uglas: i havn't really used php gallaries, so wouldn't know where to send you |
| 18:23.48 | Oliver | dacer: thats perfectly normal |
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| 18:24.16 | timzter | bbrazil: thanks...running it now |
| 18:24.22 | dacer | ok, thanks Oliver, but will all ports (6) run as 2.0 ? |
| 18:24.34 | dacer | or only one of them? |
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| 18:25.08 | troubled | mwilson: of all the people I would not expect to still be hanging around here.... |
| 18:25.08 | d0uglas | Oliver: no prob .. thanks for all the help, i fired quite a few questions at you, much appreciated |
| 18:25.12 | Oliver | dacer: all ports will run USB2, you will need to make the USB kernel drivers as modules though |
| 18:25.16 | Oliver | d0uglas: no |
| 18:25.17 | pixil9 | If i recompile my kernel in testing.. Do I need to redo my nvidia driver for X? |
| 18:25.17 | Oliver | d0uglas: np rather |
| 18:25.20 | troubled | mwilson: howz'it goin? |
| 18:25.20 | mwilson | troubled: Oh? |
| 18:25.30 | troubled | mwilson: just buggin ya :) |
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| 18:25.51 | Oliver | pixil9: generally, yes |
| 18:25.52 | troubled | mwilson: in fact, I would expect you to go down with the ship that is debian |
| 18:26.00 | pixil9 | okay. |
| 18:26.11 | streuner | mwilson: what can i do (printer problem) the log of CUPS aren't that verbose...? |
| 18:26.14 | pixil9 | Can I compile it without that make-dpkg thing |
| 18:26.24 | troubled | streuner: can you make them more verbose? |
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| 18:26.38 | timzter | bbrazil: what do you think "Free blocks count wrong (26756, counted=26751)" mean? (output of e2fsck -c /dev/hda1). It's waiting for me to hit <y> or <n>. |
| 18:26.38 | dacer | Oliver: I has 2.6.8-2 kernel from debian packages. These kernel has USB kernel drivers as module? |
| 18:26.39 | mwilson | streuner: So put the server in debug mode. |
| 18:26.43 | streuner | troubled: if i know the answer i wouldn't ask. |
| 18:26.53 | dacer | I have an ohci and ehci modules load |
| 18:26.53 | bbrazil | timzter: I always hit y |
| 18:26.56 | Oliver | dacer: that i don't know |
| 18:26.58 | timzter | hmm |
| 18:27.02 | dacer | ok |
| 18:27.03 | troubled | streuner: man XXXX where XXXX is program your having trouble with |
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| 18:27.24 | streuner | troubled: :-P |
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| 18:28.03 | Oliver | dacer: your motherboards USB ports use UHCI and the new card is OHCI, and when i last used USB on systems, it couldn't compile both UHCI and OHCI drivers into the kernel |
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| 18:28.10 | Aronofsky | hi , what did you guys are usin to extract .rar files ? |
| 18:28.19 | RootsLINUX | unrar |
| 18:28.24 | RootsLINUX | It's in unfree |
| 18:28.26 | Vegar | How do I take use of the .bmps in /boot? |
| 18:28.31 | troubled | RootsLINUX: unfree? |
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| 18:28.40 | directhex | unrar, or unrar-nonfree for v3 rar files |
| 18:28.41 | Aronofsky | Roldyx, no free equivalent ; |
| 18:28.44 | Aronofsky | ? |
| 18:28.44 | tarzeau | Vegar: are they really bmp? try file * on it , and the feh * |
| 18:28.53 | streuner | troubled: you ever read man cupsd? |
| 18:28.57 | directhex | !rar files |
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| 18:29.00 | directhex | !rar |
| 18:29.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz ;), or unrar to unrar things, or the worst file format ever, designed by morons FFS, use split and cat like a sane person!, or (better get parchive too, lest your pr0n be incomplete) |
| 18:29.07 | troubled | streuner: probably, why, whats wrong with it? |
| 18:29.20 | mwilson | Aronofsky: Considering what you're using it to extract, you're concerned about it being a non-free tool? |
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| 18:29.33 | streuner | troubled: just read a second time... |
| 18:29.36 | troubled | mwilson: :) |
| 18:29.46 | Vegar | tarzeau: /boot/sarge.bmp: PC bitmap data, Windows 3.x format, 640 x 480 x 4 |
| 18:30.06 | mwilson | streuner: So, put the server in debug mode, print something, read the log, fix the problem. |
| 18:30.14 | troubled | streuner: you probably didnt find it the first time because you were so daunted by the size of the manual page that you forgot what you were actually looking through it to find ;) |
| 18:30.15 | dacer | Oliver:ok, my motherboard has 2 USB 1.1 port, and new card 6 USB 2.0 ports, I have "ohci_hcd", "ehci_hcd" and usbcore modules loaded |
| 18:30.16 | Aronofsky | mwilson, are there free tools , |
| 18:30.17 | tarzeau | Vegar: you want to view it? or have it displayed on bootup? |
| 18:30.23 | streuner | mwilson: doesn't that mean, i have to compile the packages by myself? |
| 18:30.30 | Vegar | tarzeau: have it displayed |
| 18:30.34 | mwilson | streuner: How do you figure? |
| 18:30.38 | Oliver | dacer: if dmesg is picking them all up, you should be good to go |
| 18:30.42 | streuner | troubled: haha |
| 18:30.42 | tarzeau | Vegar: tried feh the.bmp yet? |
| 18:30.59 | mwilson | Aronofsky: I'm not a warezer, a pirate, or a thief, so I really have no use for rar. |
| 18:31.14 | streuner | mwilson: isn't that usual way to get debug mode? |
| 18:31.18 | a_monkey | i subscribed to a debian mailing list. how do i not recieve my own entries or get it in digest mode? |
| 18:31.21 | Vegar | tarzeau: have to install it, just a few |
| 18:31.24 | a_monkey | i know there's a way to do that... |
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| 18:31.26 | pixil9 | Can i just make a kernel the normal way or I have to use make-dpkg and stuff? |
| 18:31.32 | WiFiTux | !italian |
| 18:31.32 | dpkg | italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:31.34 | mwilson | streuner: Not normally, no. |
| 18:31.37 | Aronofsky | mwilson, but i am the three at the same time so i really need it ... |
| 18:31.57 | Vegar | tarzeau: looks good |
| 18:31.58 | caphuso | the coffee.bmp shipped with lilo is disgusting... the foam in the cup looks like something sulphuric |
| 18:32.27 | dacer | Oliver: yes dmesg show uhci (look at pastebin http://www.pastebin.com/269696) |
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| 18:32.30 | Aronofsky | can anyone give me apt source to download unrar |
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| 18:32.44 | biggi_mat | does unrar exist? |
| 18:32.44 | mwilson | caphuso: I always thought it looked like it was floating above the surface of the coffee. |
| 18:32.49 | streuner | Aronofsky: try pdo |
| 18:32.50 | biggi_mat | i only know unzip :o |
| 18:32.54 | dacer | surely uhci compiled in kenel |
| 18:33.01 | dacer | surely uhci compiled in kernel |
| 18:33.03 | Aronofsky | biggi_mat, yeah unrar exist |
| 18:33.13 | Aronofsky | streuner, what is pdo ? |
| 18:33.14 | troubled | caphuso! |
| 18:33.17 | biggi_mat | owh yes |
| 18:33.18 | biggi_mat | ofcourse exist |
| 18:33.20 | biggi_mat | i have it too |
| 18:33.21 | biggi_mat | forgot |
| 18:33.22 | biggi_mat | :)) |
| 18:33.28 | streuner | !tell Aronofsky about pdo |
| 18:33.32 | Oliver | dacer: i'd guess uhci is compiled in then, havn't read up on the default deb kernel builds tbh :) |
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| 18:33.47 | caphuso | mwilson: indeed, it looks a bit weird |
| 18:33.57 | enkz | i am seeking for someone who can help a first loser linux user |
| 18:34.11 | streuner | !tell enkz about help |
| 18:34.13 | mwilson | enkz: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 18:34.17 | troubled | enkz: first fix that attitude |
| 18:34.22 | streuner | !tell enkz about ask |
| 18:34.24 | satchmo | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/unrar |
| 18:34.30 | dacer | ok, thanks Oliver, I will try to recompile without uhci, thanks again |
| 18:34.57 | Oliver | dacer: if it's working at the moment, and finding all ports properly, you shouldn't need to change anything |
| 18:35.06 | dacer | :) |
| 18:35.10 | dacer | yes |
| 18:35.17 | timzter | bbrazil: Oh well, all that trouble taken didnt actualy fix the problem When I reboot, I still get: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 1299089 \n hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } \n hda: dma_intr: error-0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=1299089, sector=1299089 |
| 18:35.38 | streuner | timzter: HD? |
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| 18:35.47 | timzter | streuner: yes |
| 18:36.09 | bbrazil | timzter: yes, you have a borked hdd. get your data off it |
| 18:36.14 | a_monkey | how do i find the debian mailing list control panel? |
| 18:36.42 | schelm | timzter, did you fsck it? |
| 18:36.55 | troubled | schelm: doesnt need to, its already fscked ;) |
| 18:36.56 | timzter | schelm: umm yes just went thru all that with bbrazil's elp |
| 18:36.59 | timzter | help |
| 18:37.21 | schelm | ok :( |
| 18:37.27 | bbrazil | a_monkey: lists.debian.org |
| 18:37.29 | timzter | but it ALWAYS shows sector 1299089. |
| 18:37.41 | timzter | wish it can just SKIP that sector |
| 18:37.44 | troubled | timzter: check for bad sectors on it yet? |
| 18:37.55 | timzter | troubled: yes |
| 18:38.13 | troubled | timzter: try turning off dma for the drive? |
| 18:38.13 | caphuso | timzter: what does s.m.a.r.t. say? |
| 18:38.23 | troubled | even better idea |
| 18:38.25 | timzter | troubled: Did what bbrazil suggested, which was: e2fsck -c /dev/hda1 |
| 18:38.40 | Aronofsky | in the sources.list; what means contrib , i see it on the net and i don't get it in mine |
| 18:38.49 | timzter | caphuso: um....what does s.m.a.r.t. MEA? |
| 18:38.49 | Vegar | tarzeau: so, is it usable? |
| 18:38.51 | timzter | MEAN? |
| 18:39.06 | troubled | timzter: self monitoring on the drive, will tell ya if its near death |
| 18:39.18 | caphuso | timzter: use smartctl of smartmontools or smartsuite to find out |
| 18:39.20 | troubled | well, sometimes |
| 18:39.36 | enkz | i've installed the newest debian linux from dvd, after the install the x isn't starting, because some graphic problem, abit nf7s2 sempron 2800 ati radeon 9600 |
| 18:39.37 | bbrazil | has smart become more reliable? I've heard a lot about false positives |
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| 18:39.51 | timzter | troubled: somethinhg I must install? Since I cant boot properly, I cant get the smartmontools, can I? |
| 18:39.53 | troubled | bbrazil: only as good as a condom :) |
| 18:39.55 | timzter | chicken and egg |
| 18:40.00 | caphuso | bbrazil: i've never heard at all about false positives |
| 18:40.07 | troubled | timzter: got knoppix? |
| 18:40.26 | troubled | timzter: probably has it insatalled. or try ultimate boot cd. has lots of tools |
| 18:40.39 | schelm | timzter, yeah use knoppix |
| 18:40.46 | tarzeau | Vegar: what's usable? |
| 18:40.53 | tarzeau | Vegar: i hate images on bootup |
| 18:41.02 | xam | troubled: yeah, worked here. Drive died (suddenly only ro mounting was prossible due to errors), and S.M.A.R.T. confirmed that it was dying. Which - needless to say - was quite obvious |
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| 18:41.38 | Aronofsky | I can't put that in my sources : deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free ?? |
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| 18:41.53 | Rickdangerous | hello world! |
| 18:41.55 | timzter | troubled: with regards your question on turning off DMA on the drive...if the drive has been working fine for a year (on 24x7), I shouldnt need to consider that option, right? |
| 18:41.57 | troubled | xam: well, most people dont notice it till it actually says somethings, and ive had 2 drives now give those errors so it cant hurt to monitor despite the minor performance impact on drive throughput |
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| 18:42.19 | d0uglas | what'd be a simple way to instruct my machine to reboot every x hours? |
| 18:42.20 | troubled | timzter: well, i could have asked that, but my questions seemed more to the point I was getting at |
| 18:42.28 | troubled | timzter: :) |
| 18:42.40 | tarzeau | d0uglas: sleep nh && reboot or use man 5 crontab |
| 18:42.46 | tarzeau | d0uglas: but why? |
| 18:42.53 | Rickdangerous | d0uglas, or use kernel watchdog facility |
| 18:43.01 | timzter | troubled: no, wasnt trying to be sarcastic... was actually trying to make sure I dont have to consider turning DMA off |
| 18:43.06 | troubled | timzter: i was gonna ask if you did something like a new kernel or something too |
| 18:43.06 | Rickdangerous | d0uglas, also man shutdown |
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| 18:43.32 | timzter | troubled: the last time I did a new kernel was maybe 6 months ago. |
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| 18:43.48 | pi_ | I've just installed sarge, and I cannot get dovecot installed.. |
| 18:43.48 | bbrazil | d0uglas: by any chance is the motherboard a via? |
| 18:43.49 | timzter | troubled: this problem with the bad sector startd about 2 weeks ago |
| 18:43.59 | pi_ | apt-get install dovecot-imapd returns with errors.. |
| 18:44.01 | caphuso | timzter: get the smart status of the disk |
| 18:44.04 | pi_ | can anyone help? |
| 18:44.18 | timzter | caphuso: but must get knoppix first I guess...sigh |
| 18:44.24 | troubled | timzter: well, get the data off it, do a scan for bad sectors and save them to file, then format drive again using bad sector list. |
| 18:44.30 | d0uglas | tarzeau: bizarre disconnections from the net that may either be a total panic or a isolated program/tcpip overload issue, if it's the latter, then something in the machine would be alive to reboot it eventually .. i'm not home and i have to maintain this remotely |
| 18:44.36 | timzter | so many things to do before getting to the thing you're supposed to be working on |
| 18:44.37 | Ragan | pi_: what error? be more specific |
| 18:44.38 | troubled | timzter: i think mkfs can actually combine the last two steps though |
| 18:44.52 | tarzeau | d0uglas: debian machine? |
| 18:44.56 | d0uglas | yup |
| 18:45.05 | Vegar | tarzeau: I need something that looks good to convert more Windowsusers |
| 18:45.06 | timzter | troubled: umm..save them to where?? I dont have another HD |
| 18:45.09 | caphuso | timzter: http://smartlinux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:45.10 | Rickdangerous | d0uglas, better use watchdog if it2S applicable |
| 18:45.10 | pi_ | hostname: Unknown host |
| 18:45.10 | pi_ | dpkg: error processing dovecot-common (--configure): |
| 18:45.15 | tarzeau | d0uglas: sid? stable? what services? alot of users? |
| 18:45.22 | troubled | timzter: i hear gmail has 1 gig accounts |
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| 18:45.24 | d0uglas | Rickdangerous: got it |
| 18:45.32 | WiFiTux | Where can I add the export lines? /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 18:45.49 | timzter | troubled: yes, but to do that I must have connectivity from the box, but to do that, it must first boot up properly. |
| 18:45.51 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: for who? a user? multiple users? bash users? all users? all bash users? |
| 18:45.53 | WiFiTux | maybe my own .bashrc |
| 18:45.59 | troubled | timzter: knoppix |
| 18:45.59 | d0uglas | tarzeau: sarge, mostly web serving only .. php python and sql |
| 18:46.14 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, all users or all bash users |
| 18:46.19 | timzter | troubled: exactly.... I did say that above (must get knoppix first..sigh) |
| 18:46.20 | tarzeau | d0uglas: aha mysql? postgresql? other sql? |
| 18:46.26 | d0uglas | my |
| 18:46.31 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: /etc/profile probably |
| 18:46.39 | Ragan | troubled, gmail has more than that, 2080 megs and growing by the second |
| 18:46.51 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, else? |
| 18:46.54 | troubled | timzter: sorry I missed that |
| 18:46.57 | davide_ | Hi |
| 18:47.00 | EricBlade | ugh.. someone was talking about kernels.. so i went to see if there was anything newer than 2.6.10 .. and there's like 2.6.11.1 through 2.6.11.9 or something |
| 18:47.03 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: for zsh it's /etc/zsh/zprofile :) |
| 18:47.07 | troubled | Ragan: oh ya, they went to 2 gig other week didnt they |
| 18:47.11 | d0uglas | tarzeau: but could an sql server be capable of knocking a machine offline if it crashes? it would have to take the whole box down with it |
| 18:47.12 | EricBlade | like we need another sub version number? |
| 18:47.14 | timzter | Ragan: 2 gigs? when did they increase it? Mine stil says 1 gig |
| 18:47.20 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: well for a user i put it in some file in the user directory, look at www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ for mine |
| 18:47.26 | troubled | timzter: well, who's machine are you on right now? no cdr drive? |
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| 18:47.35 | tarzeau | d0uglas: i doubt one can say that generally |
| 18:47.43 | tarzeau | d0uglas: one had to look at this case in detail |
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| 18:48.13 | d0uglas | tarzeau: would you say postgresql is a little more robust in general versus mysql? |
| 18:48.17 | timzter | troubled: It's mine. But after I upgraded to Linux version 2.xxxxx ugh...cant remember...6months ago or so... the CDR never worked |
| 18:48.21 | _feistel_ | hi |
| 18:48.24 | pi_ | anyone? |
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| 18:48.38 | troubled | timzter: well, I guess you know what you gootta do first is |
| 18:48.41 | _feistel_ | I need install OpenLDAP in Debian, but I dont find them in package system |
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| 18:48.46 | timzter | troubled: And I didnt fix the cdr problem then because I never needed to use it then |
| 18:48.50 | troubled | timzter: do you have generic scsi support in your kernel? |
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| 18:49.09 | Ragan | troubled, timzter: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/01/145241&tid=217 |
| 18:49.18 | Ragan | troubled, timzter: and growing |
| 18:49.27 | tarzeau | d0uglas: depends on what kind of data you have, and how fast you need to access it, and the amount |
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| 18:49.38 | mwilson | streuner: So, learned anything? |
| 18:49.53 | tarzeau | d0uglas: however yes i like postgresql better than mysql |
| 18:50.03 | troubled | tarzeau: sing it brother |
| 18:50.14 | streuner | mwilson: not now |
| 18:50.14 | Vegar | so, how do I show the .bmps in /boot in lilo? |
| 18:50.23 | tarzeau | Vegar: you don't |
| 18:50.36 | timzter | troubled: not sure...would I have it for the CDR to work? It's a regular IDE cdrom drive |
| 18:50.38 | streuner | mwilson: turned the server in debug mode, i start the action now. |
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| 18:50.56 | Vegar | tarzeau: shh! don't spoil the fun |
| 18:51.06 | troubled | timzter: well, if you have read any cdr howto's you would know the "trick" to cdr's ;) |
| 18:51.15 | mwilson | Vegar: man 5 lilo.conf |
| 18:51.19 | timzter | troubled: oh? |
| 18:51.36 | troubled | timzter: but I would start downloading the iso's now while you figure how to get it working |
| 18:51.40 | d0uglas | is there a program that will comb through an access.log and will look up all the IPs and replace them in the log to the hostnames if available? or a web stat parsing thing that does it itself? |
| 18:51.49 | timzter | troubled: of knoppix u mean |
| 18:51.56 | troubled | d0uglas: ya, perl |
| 18:51.57 | d0uglas | i'd rather keep the look up hostnames in apache off |
| 18:52.32 | troubled | d0uglas: awk could work too if you feel like learning that beast |
| 18:52.35 | d0uglas | troubled: perl? ... should i man perl and write myself a perl script somehow or could you be more specific :) ? |
| 18:52.45 | troubled | d0uglas: ya, write your own :) |
| 18:53.03 | streuner | mwilson: used lpd as device, and i got 'remote host did not accept control file (32) |
| 18:53.07 | d0uglas | i love you guys |
| 18:53.19 | troubled | d0uglas: i think there is a log parsing program actually. and I am pretty sure most have the option to convert to names in the logs |
| 18:53.26 | mijndert | Hi. I run Debian Sarge on my server, but after a reboot I get "Connection Refused" on SSH (every port I try), does this mean SSHd is not started properly? |
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| 18:53.32 | streuner | mwilson: somebody said that's bug, though not my ppd |
| 18:53.56 | d0uglas | troubled: any program like webalizer out there, but much better and more in-depth? |
| 18:53.58 | streuner | mwilson: that's the only answer you got in whole usenet about that issue... |
| 18:54.03 | d0uglas | (and free)? |
| 18:54.22 | troubled | d0uglas: ask google :) |
| 18:54.26 | mwilson | mijndert: "every port you try"? Why would you try multiple ports? |
| 18:54.32 | troubled | d0uglas: apt-cache show lire |
| 18:54.32 | d0uglas | True. Should have googled that. |
| 18:54.42 | mwilson | mijndert: Did you perhaps look to see if sshd was even running? |
| 18:54.48 | troubled | d0uglas: check that one out. comes to mind, might be able to help ya, might now |
| 18:54.56 | d0uglas | ooo lire does all the logs! |
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| 18:55.23 | mijndert | mwilson, there is no screen connected to my server. I even tried port 1337 to connect, still get the "connection refused" thingy |
| 18:55.26 | mwilson | streuner: This printer is remote? |
| 18:55.47 | mwilson | mijndert: What does a screen have to do with it? Or port 1337, for that matter? |
| 18:56.05 | mijndert | Well, can't connect to my server via SSH.. |
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| 18:56.12 | nkuttler | mijndert: connect a monitor... |
| 18:56.15 | troubled | mijndert: ssh isnt nport 1337 |
| 18:56.18 | mwilson | mijndert: Yes, you DO keep repeating that. |
| 18:56.23 | mijndert | I know |
| 18:56.43 | troubled | mijndert: your trying to ssh to port 22 and cant connect? |
| 18:56.44 | mwilson | mijndert: If you know that, then why do you make such a point of telling everyone that you tried to connect on that port? |
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| 18:56.54 | mijndert | troubled, yes |
| 18:56.54 | Ragan | mijndert, can you connect to 127.0.0.1 on your server? |
| 18:57.09 | troubled | mijndert: and do you hvae a firewall running rejecting 22 |
| 18:57.19 | jcurry | where should i put my custom udev rules? is there a debian-specific udev howto? |
| 18:57.22 | streuner | mwilson: no, the printer is connected directly to parallel port |
| 18:57.26 | mijndert | haven't tried that, because I have a problem finding a screen. |
| 18:57.35 | mwilson | mijndert: So reconnect the monitor you were using when you installed the OS, and this time actually test things before you try to make it headless. |
| 18:57.36 | mijndert | troubled, it was working before the reboot. |
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| 18:57.45 | troubled | mijndert: so your running headless box that you cant log in to? |
| 18:57.55 | mijndert | troubled, yes. |
| 18:58.04 | resiak | jcurry: /etc/udev/udev.rules I think. |
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| 18:58.06 | mijndert | hehe |
| 18:58.08 | troubled | too funny |
| 18:58.14 | resiak | jcurry: Look in /usr/share/doc/udev/ perhaps |
| 18:58.21 | mijndert | yeah, I know. It's stupid ;) |
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| 18:58.24 | troubled | mijndert: next time keep a spare around |
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| 18:58.41 | mwilson | No, not actually bothering to test anything... that's stupid. |
| 18:58.48 | streuner | mwilson: according to the logs the printer should work |
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| 18:59.00 | mijndert | mwilson, I said it was working before |
| 18:59.01 | streuner | mwilson: but there isn't any data-transfer to the printer |
| 18:59.12 | troubled | mijndert: what did you change between now and before? |
| 18:59.25 | mijndert | troubled, nothing.. :x |
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| 18:59.41 | troubled | mijndert: something did, just you dont know what |
| 18:59.47 | xlars | hi, on what channel may I ask cygwin-gcc related questions ? thanks |
| 19:00.02 | troubled | mijndert: and if you dont know, we gotta guess. so our problem :) |
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| 19:00.08 | mijndert | troubled, well I've uploaded a few files via FTP to my server. That's all |
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| 19:00.21 | mwilson | troubled: Eventually he'll get around to telling you he's actually run a dist-upgrade on it, but he doesn't think any of those packages are involved in the problem. |
| 19:00.32 | troubled | mijndert: i assume all your uploads via ftp were only to home dirs? |
| 19:00.33 | mijndert | mwilson, I did not :| |
| 19:00.43 | troubled | mwilson: lol, no doubt |
| 19:00.49 | mwilson | mijndert: Or the equivalent. They always do. |
| 19:01.11 | mwilson | streuner: No, according to the logs, it's trying to send the data elsewhere. |
| 19:01.12 | nSe | i did it! i love my computer... |
| 19:01.22 | mijndert | troubled, yes to /home/mijndert |
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| 19:01.31 | Rickdangerous | nSe, hardware or software? :) |
| 19:01.33 | troubled | mijndert: ok, first step then. Probe the box. what CAN you connect to. Is it actually running? |
| 19:01.44 | nSe | Rickdangerous: software! :) |
| 19:01.56 | mijndert | troubled, web ftp etc. is working. The only thing is SSHd |
| 19:02.00 | d0uglas | bbrazil: you there? |
| 19:02.00 | mwilson | troubled: Think he remembered to plug in the ethernet cable? |
| 19:02.06 | troubled | heh |
| 19:02.14 | d0uglas | bbrazil: yes the board's via |
| 19:02.18 | troubled | mijndert: is your ssh host key encrypted? |
| 19:02.22 | mijndert | mwilson, I'm not that of a newbie |
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| 19:02.35 | mijndert | uhm.. could be :P |
| 19:02.37 | bbrazil | d0uglas: does the system saty working, its just that the network is dead? |
| 19:02.41 | mwilson | mijndert: What does being a "newbie" have to do with anything? |
| 19:02.44 | bbrazil | *stay |
| 19:02.56 | mijndert | mwilson, just that I know what I'm doing ;) |
| 19:03.09 | troubled | mijndert: chances are its not running since you get an icmp (-j REJECT) back when you try to connect to the port that it should be running on. Especially if you dont have a firewall since the kernel would reject it by deafult |
| 19:03.10 | mwilson | mijndert: Oh, then ssh is actually working, then? |
| 19:03.16 | WiFiTux | how Do I run a script that has a #!/bin/csh -f in the top. |
| 19:03.27 | Rickdangerous | WiFiTux, isntall tcsh |
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| 19:03.30 | resiak | WiFiTux: Make it executable, and have a csh installed. |
| 19:03.32 | mwilson | mijndert: Randomly trying ports by throwing dice means that you know what you're doing? |
| 19:03.53 | valdyn | WiFiTux: csh <script> or chmod +x <script> && ./<script> |
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| 19:03.57 | mijndert | troubled, So I must reinstall SSHd to get it to work |
| 19:04.04 | WiFiTux | valdyn, aaaaaahhhh |
| 19:04.06 | troubled | mijndert: I am curious if your sshd just never started based on how your connection got rejected |
| 19:04.12 | resiak | mwilson: I don't think that 1337 was chosen by dice rolling :) |
| 19:04.17 | d0uglas | bbrazil: i'm coming in remote .. tough to say .. the system logs, all logs i've checked for that matter, don't report anything after i get someone to go reboot it manually and examine what happened when it just stopped sending data |
| 19:04.18 | troubled | mijndert: no, I am saying check into why sshd didnt start |
| 19:04.20 | mwilson | mijndert: Why must you reinstall ssh? |
| 19:04.31 | bbrazil | d0uglas: write a cronjob to see if the connection is working and if not ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up; |
| 19:04.33 | troubled | brb |
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| 19:04.44 | p8m | I wish I had a d1337. |
| 19:04.46 | mijndert | troubled, it worked about 1 hour ago.. then I rebooted.. and it didn't come up |
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| 19:04.50 | bbrazil | d0uglas: a friend of mine had such a problem witha remote box and did that to fix it |
| 19:05.10 | d0uglas | bbrazil: good idea man |
| 19:05.12 | mwilson | In the time he's spent whinging about it, he could have connected a monitor to it and found out what was going on. |
| 19:05.42 | takatumi | difficult on a remote box. |
| 19:05.51 | mijndert | mwilson, nice you are here but if you don't have anything to say just.. well you know |
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| 19:05.55 | bbrazil | d0uglas: not mine I'm afraid. Reason is apparently that that via boards are dodgy |
| 19:05.59 | ciga | hi |
| 19:06.03 | Rawplayer | HI |
| 19:06.05 | Rawplayer | :p |
| 19:06.18 | troubled | mwilson: oi |
| 19:06.25 | valdyn | mijndert: why dont you just start your ssh daemon? |
| 19:06.30 | myren | what the hell is up with sourceforge this week? half the download list isnt working for me. :/ |
| 19:06.34 | d0uglas | bbrazil: what's that command to list hardware? just want to double check |
| 19:06.52 | bbrazil | d0uglas: lspci |
| 19:06.54 | troubled | valdyn: cause its a headless box that he cant ssh into, pay attn. |
| 19:06.56 | ciga | my laptop 845g is not able to run Xfree86 in 1024x768x24, only in 8 bpp. i810. anyone can help me with that? |
| 19:06.58 | nSe | concerning about how fast things are: is there any problem in using mozilla web browser instead of firefox web browser? |
| 19:06.59 | d0uglas | ahh right |
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| 19:07.08 | mijndert | Ok ok, just wanted to check if it's POSSIBLE that SSHd isn't started or something.. pfie :x |
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| 19:07.27 | troubled | mijndert: go check the logs and see. try start ssh manually, |
| 19:07.43 | mijndert | ok :) |
| 19:08.00 | IronRoses | hey guys |
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| 19:08.10 | troubled | mijndert: i know when it comes to cert's that if its encrypted you have to type pass to start the service |
| 19:08.15 | valdyn | troubled: hah |
| 19:08.18 | IronRoses | how do I update to kde-3.4.0 with apt? |
| 19:08.31 | troubled | mijndert: but you would remember setting something like that. check firewall. can you ssh to the localhost on that box etc |
| 19:08.59 | acollins | IronRoses: join #debian-kde and look at the topic |
| 19:09.08 | IronRoses | thanks matey |
| 19:09.17 | troubled | mijndert: go connect this monitor on that box and be done with it |
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| 19:09.28 | acollins | IronRoses: no worries |
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| 19:09.40 | XanaXa | guys I have a quick question: I installed a package with apt-get. I went to remove it with apt-get remove and removed it. For some reason I deleted the config files out of /etc/courier at some point. I now need to reinstall courier with apt-get. When I install it everything installs except for the configuration files. How can I get it to reinstall the configuration files again with apt-get? |
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| 19:10.08 | hunger | Ubuntu claims to be working closely together with debian. Does that really work out the way they claim? |
| 19:10.14 | valdyn | XanaXa: purge the package once ( dpkg --purge <package> ) |
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| 19:10.19 | Ragan | XanaXa, first purge the file and reinstall |
| 19:10.19 | troubled | XanaXa: odd, but in that case i would do a apt-get rmeove --purge file |
| 19:10.35 | XanaXa | great thanks so much guys |
| 19:10.37 | valdyn | XanaXa: unless you purge, apt _does_ respect whatever you do with config files |
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| 19:10.53 | d0uglas | are 3Com nics considered pretty solid? |
| 19:10.54 | XanaXa | I knew I could count on help in here :) |
| 19:11.04 | SuperPhly | can i essentially do a 'fixmbr' using a debian boot cd? grub is messed up because i deleted my debian install and formatted the partition NTFS. I just need to boot into windows so i can get some work done, and I can't seem to get the debian boot disk to allow me to scrub the mbr... any ideas? |
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| 19:11.40 | troubled | SuperPhly: boot the windows cd and issue fixmbr in the rescue console |
| 19:11.41 | valdyn | d0uglas: yea, though thats a brandname and a company, not a NIC |
| 19:11.46 | Ragan | Supaplex, no |
| 19:11.48 | timzter | bbrazil: you earlier suggested I do: init=/bin/bash ro any problem using rw? |
| 19:12.06 | troubled | SuperPhly: also run fixboot I think its called |
| 19:12.11 | streuner | mwilson: the same behavior than before, nothing in the log - no error message, nothing, according to the system i have to see my test page here :-) |
| 19:12.15 | d0uglas | valdyn: i meant nics under their brand |
| 19:12.15 | SuperPhly | troubled: no xp boot cd.. |
| 19:12.18 | bbrazil | timzter: with ext3 as your rootfs, no |
| 19:12.26 | troubled | SuperPhly: then why do you have the xp os installed? |
| 19:12.47 | valdyn | d0uglas: yea, i know, just, even the best brand might have produced trash, i dont know, generally 3com nics have a good reputation |
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| 19:13.03 | SuperPhly | i've had XP installed for 4 months and never needed it. i recently moved, and i dont know what happened to the cd |
| 19:13.04 | troubled | timzter: the debian cd has a tool on it that you can either burn to cd or copy to floppy to boot and boot a specific partition like your windows then |
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| 19:13.41 | d0uglas | valdyn: ok i figured you knew i knew but wanted to correct me anyway, i just wanted to double check that that was the case and make sure you didn't think i didn't understand the difference because I gotta protect my rep in #debian, dig? |
| 19:13.50 | takatumi | SuperPhly: fix grub and get it booting then. |
| 19:13.52 | timzter | troubled: which debian cd is this? I got everything by downloading off the internet. No 'cd' per se. |
| 19:13.53 | valdyn | heh |
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| 19:13.56 | streuner | mwilson: parport_probe: failed |
| 19:13.56 | streuner | parport0: no IEEE-1284 device present. |
| 19:14.00 | sniperhacker | hello |
| 19:14.00 | sniperhacker | all |
| 19:14.14 | sniperhacker | i am very bad linux man |
| 19:14.16 | Oliver | SuperPhly: boot from windows CD, and use fixmbr from there, or find a DOS floppy with fdisk on, and use fdisk /mbr |
| 19:14.18 | SuperPhly | takatumi: i'd like to fix grub, but i have no way to fix grub with the boot cd (debian) |
| 19:14.21 | sniperhacker | please can you help me ?? |
| 19:14.33 | troubled | timzter: can do search the net |
| 19:14.44 | Ragan | !tell sniperhacker about asking |
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| 19:15.13 | streuner | mwilson: that was from my server |
| 19:15.13 | takatumi | SuperPhly: not unless you have debian installed, with just XP installed, you are better off with MS Tech support. |
| 19:15.24 | streuner | mwilson: and that from my desktop system: parport: PnPBIOS parport detected. |
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| 19:15.25 | streuner | parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP] |
| 19:15.34 | sniperhacker | i want to know |
| 19:15.41 | sniperhacker | how i can install |
| 19:15.45 | sniperhacker | a different logiciel |
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| 19:15.47 | sniperhacker | plz |
| 19:15.52 | chealer | !tekk sniperhacker about enter |
| 19:16.02 | chealer | !tell sniperhacker about enter |
| 19:16.07 | nSe | concerning about how fast things are: is there any problem in using mozilla web browser instead of firefox web browser? |
| 19:16.08 | chealer | sniperhacker: different than what? |
| 19:16.24 | d0uglas | !tell chealer where that L key is :) |
| 19:16.49 | xam | nSe: nope |
| 19:16.59 | Rickdangerous | nSe, mozilla is a bit slower |
| 19:17.08 | Oliver | how would one install a set of packages from the experimental tree, as a one time installation? |
| 19:17.08 | xam | Rickdangerous: nonsense |
| 19:17.13 | valdyn | nSe: rendering engine is about identical |
| 19:17.18 | Oliver | or rather, a package + depends |
| 19:17.30 | Rickdangerous | xam, why ? they are different code |
| 19:17.46 | xam | Rickdangerous: no, the rendering engine is identical |
| 19:17.56 | Rickdangerous | xam, how about scrolling? |
| 19:18.04 | Rickdangerous | xam, can you use it without scrolling? |
| 19:18.06 | Ragan | Rickdangerous, FF is a forked version of Mozilla |
| 19:18.28 | Rickdangerous | Ragan, ui code is more roboust |
| 19:18.33 | Rickdangerous | Ragan, of firefox |
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| 19:19.19 | Ragan | Rickdangerous, Mozilla GUI is not roboust then? |
| 19:19.27 | valdyn | Rickdangerous: why do you think that? |
| 19:19.30 | Rickdangerous | Ragan, relatively no |
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| 19:20.05 | Rickdangerous | valdyn, firefox diesigned to be nmore robust |
| 19:20.18 | Rickdangerous | or phoenix |
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| 19:20.27 | biggi_mat | damn |
| 19:20.35 | nSe | Ragan: sorry, english is not my native language, what do you mean by "forked" ? |
| 19:20.36 | Ragan | Rickdangerous, so Mozilla is designed to be not so robust? |
| 19:20.54 | Rickdangerous | Ragan, heh that doesn't make sense does it? |
| 19:21.11 | biggi_mat | Recipient address rejected: User |
| 19:21.11 | biggi_mat | unknown in local recipient table; |
| 19:21.14 | biggi_mat | i'm trying to set up postfix ( i did it before) but i have some mistake. i just don't know what i missed. the error message is Recipient address rejected: User |
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| 19:21.54 | Oliver | biggi_mat: have you checked destination_domains? |
| 19:22.01 | Ragan | nSe, at one point the Mozilla code split into as Mozilla and the other as Firefox. Maybe someone can explain it better... |
| 19:22.11 | alfadir | sorry my laptops network died.. it is an old laptop. any hints for the /var download problem ? |
| 19:22.26 | notty | how can i make a list o mac adress in a local area network from a aserver ? |
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| 19:22.51 | biggi_mat | Oliver that's not the problem. the problem is user ID. i have biggi for username in my server and biggi_mat for email. i know the problem but i don't know what i didi wrong. |
| 19:22.51 | Oliver | notty: arp -a |
| 19:22.51 | streuner | biggi_mat: google for 'SMTP HOWTO' |
| 19:23.17 | alfadir | You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/ is the problem.. I have enough space in /usr. is it possible to temporarilly repoint the download dir ? |
| 19:23.21 | notty | i want to make a list of the mac... but to scan the network from time to time.... so i have a list of all the mac.... (computers are not always on) |
| 19:23.50 | xam | alfadir: what about making a symlink? |
| 19:23.51 | bbrazil | notty: arpwatch |
| 19:24.10 | alfadir | hmm hehe.. ok xam .. thanks. .ill test it.. |
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| 19:27.28 | alfadir | xam : works. did not think about that, thanks a lot for the pointer! |
| 19:27.40 | xam | alfadir: np |
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| 19:30.06 | myren | how do i make a loopback fs? a filesystem in a file |
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| 19:30.30 | dragonkh | hi |
| 19:30.35 | myren | damn debian is a lot more quiet these days |
| 19:30.38 | myren | heya |
| 19:30.44 | dragonkh | I sorted out my mem problem earlier if anyon ewas helping and is still here :) |
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| 19:31.40 | Anders1 | myren: losetup /dev/loop0, then do various stuff onto it |
| 19:31.48 | dragonkh | but noe I have another problem - how do I configure my server to have a static ip and be visible on the internet even though I have a all in one router/modem in front of the server - but I have several static ip addresses availabale ? |
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| 19:32.32 | Ragan | dragonkh, man interfaces |
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| 19:33.36 | dragonkh | Ragan - I have tried to put the statc info in the interfaces file - but it doesnt work it doesnt pop up an error either though |
| 19:34.20 | EricBlade | great.. my compilers are all broken. |
| 19:34.21 | EricBlade | thanks debian |
| 19:34.27 | Ragan | dragonkh, the IP you defined isn't the one you are getting? |
| 19:34.37 | Rickdangerous | EricBlade, using sid? |
| 19:34.39 | dragonkh | Ragan - it says network unreachablw now |
| 19:34.54 | dragonkh | Ragan, I have 3 static ip addresse - the router/modem uses one |
| 19:34.56 | Ragan | dragonkh, can you dump your interfaces in flood? |
| 19:34.57 | EricBlade | think so, rick |
| 19:35.07 | EricBlade | need to do some updates since last week? |
| 19:35.18 | dragonkh | Ragen - and my box behind the router I want to give a static ip also |
| 19:35.34 | Rickdangerous | EricBlade, dunno, also you can try sarge packages |
| 19:35.34 | dragonkh | Ragan - yup one sec |
| 19:35.59 | EricBlade | /usr/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; ... |
| 19:36.01 | chealer | EricBlade: you should know which release you're using |
| 19:36.02 | EricBlade | Illegal instruction |
| 19:36.25 | EricBlade | chealer: using stupid codenames makes me feel like we're all in kindergarten |
| 19:36.33 | EricBlade | whichever is most up to date |
| 19:36.54 | dragonkh | join #flood |
| 19:37.05 | Ragan | !tell EricBlade about SID |
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| 19:37.24 | EricBlade | yeah sid |
| 19:37.29 | dragonkh | Ragan - there ya go |
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| 19:38.23 | chealer | EricBlade: whatever you think about codenames isn't an excuse to use and complain about sid |
| 19:38.35 | dragonkh | Ragan - I set the gateway to the ip my router uses as the gateway - is that correct? |
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| 19:38.58 | timzter | when I boot from the rescue disk, Ctrl-C doesnt work, but stty -a shows intr = ^C |
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| 19:39.16 | EricBlade | chealer: and 'unstable' isn't an excuse to include a piece of software that doesn't even run. |
| 19:39.30 | chealer | EricBlade: so don't run it |
| 19:39.36 | chealer | or don't complain about it here |
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| 19:39.47 | Ragan | dragonkh, yeah, but is that your routers internal IP address? Also how did you come up with your box IP/net mask? It seems like a weird pick to me. |
| 19:39.49 | EricBlade | oh, is there a #debian-unstable channel? |
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| 19:40.30 | chealer | EricBlade: if you create one, but you should use another distro and tell them how debian is unstable instead |
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| 19:41.09 | EricBlade | *eyeroll* |
| 19:41.18 | dragonkh | Ragan - the routers internal ipaddress is 192.168.0.1 and its external is my 1st static ip address, the address is the 2nd static ip and the netmask I made up |
| 19:42.08 | dragonkh | Ragan - I have seen stuff on the internet that includes a network and a broadcast line as well - but I dont know what to put in those so I left them out |
| 19:42.17 | lawnchair | whats that debian thing where it can take over any distro |
| 19:42.35 | lawnchair | and make ti debian.... |
| 19:42.46 | valdyn | !debtakeover |
| 19:42.46 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 19:42.52 | lawnchair | valdyn, thank you sir |
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| 19:45.16 | Ragan | dragonkh, hmm, I don't know what an all in one router and modem is capable off. But why don't you just set your box to 192.168.0.2 and use your router's IP to the outside? |
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| 19:46.03 | dragonkh | Ragan - but im payiong for 8 static ip addresses and I have 8 machines - I want them all on static so I can accessthem |
| 19:46.18 | dragonkh | Ragan - my router say it does full routing non-nat |
| 19:46.55 | Ragan | dragonkh, ahh, well I can only suggest doing a google on it then. I'm sure there is some tutorials for that. Have you tried LinuxQuestions.org? |
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| 19:48.03 | tolle | Has anyone gotten anjuta2 from CVS to run on their system? |
| 19:48.21 | dragonkh | Ragan - thankjs :) |
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| 19:48.35 | Ragan | dragonkh, good luck mate =) |
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| 19:53.22 | darthdavid | My debian install is really messed up. Every time I try and start up into the regular run level it gives the but end of some message about configuring AUTH LOGIN and will only accecpt the CTRL+ALT+Delete command. This happens on both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. When I try booting with using the maintence mode option on grub it boots fine but behaves really oddly. Right now I'm using a live cd I had lying around. What do I do? (so |
| 19:53.22 | darthdavid | rry if this sounds rude, I've had very little sleep and am more than a little bit off). |
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| 19:56.55 | dfd | Hola |
| 19:57.22 | fabietto | Hi at all. I'm trying to install debian sarge on my desktop pc. I'm using my notebook (running debian sarge and connected to internet via wireless adapter) as an internet gateway for the desktop. My problem is that I can't resolve domain names from the notebook: i edited /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts to add the ip address of the notebook pc, but the problem remains. Any tips? |
| 19:57.33 | dfd | on my system when I hear musics the time run o_O |
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| 19:57.55 | dfd | with every program I try, when I play a sound, a music file, the seconds pass too fast |
| 19:57.56 | fabietto | sorry, i can't resolve domain name from the desktop, obviously... the notebook resolvs names correctly! :-) |
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| 19:58.55 | dfd | does somebody had my same problem? |
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| 19:59.22 | cow | fabietto, to use the desktop as DNS-server, you abviously have to have a DNS-server on the desktop installed and proper forwarders configured.. |
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| 19:59.31 | dfd | I would like to hear a wav file.. but when I play it, it goes too fast... every second it plays about 5 seconds.... |
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| 20:00.40 | honschu | Hi, where to get divx and xvid and mov codecs for sarge's xine? |
| 20:01.00 | fabietto | cow: i'm sharing the notebook connection using firestarter and i simply set some rules for let pass the dns packets... so it isn't a sufficient condition? |
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| 20:02.30 | fabietto | cow: anyway, my problem is related to apt... if i change the names contained in /etc/apt/sources.list with the corresponding ip address, could i use apt succesfully? |
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| 20:02.51 | xim_ | fabietto: does pinging an public ip address works? |
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| 20:03.46 | fabietto | xim_: yes, i tried with the ip address of google.com (66.249.85.99) and the desktop can correctly ping it... |
| 20:04.14 | xim | fabietto: does the contents of /etc/resolv.conf is the same on both machines? |
| 20:05.24 | fabietto | xim: no, in the notebook pc they're set (through dhclient) to the ip address of my wireless router... in the desktop pc, they're setted to the ip adress of my notebook |
| 20:05.47 | xim | fabietto: does your notebook run a dns server? |
| 20:05.51 | fabietto | xim: no |
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| 20:06.15 | xim | fabietto: that's why. copy the resolv.conf from your laptop to your desktop |
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| 20:06.49 | hoe | !w8 |
| 20:06.49 | dpkg | Wait. I'll tell you in a minute. |
| 20:06.49 | fabietto | xim: but... 192.168.0.1 (the ip address of my router) shouldn't be reachable by the desktop... |
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| 20:07.12 | xim | fabietto: put your isp nameserver then |
| 20:07.31 | xim | nameservers |
| 20:07.39 | fabietto | xim: wait... you're right... i can ping 192.168.0.1 from the desktop! |
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| 20:07.49 | honschu | How to play divX Files with totem? Is there a deb to install? |
| 20:08.07 | dragonkh | if I set up a dmx on my firewall/router does it mean that instead of hitting the router the incoming traffic hits my dmz box ? |
| 20:08.09 | fabietto | xim: ah, obviously... the notebook is acting as an internet gateway, so it can also route the packets from the desktop to the wireless router.. |
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| 20:08.46 | DuckTales | Is gnomebaker going into debian.org repos today? |
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| 20:08.49 | xim | you only have one lan port on your router? |
| 20:08.55 | fabietto | xim: ok, wonderful... now the names are resolved correctly! :-D |
| 20:09.34 | fabietto | xim,cow: thank you very much for your precious help! |
| 20:10.42 | DuckTales | cool |
| 20:10.47 | DuckTales | gnomebaker is in debian.org repos |
| 20:10.47 | xim | np |
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| 20:11.49 | TypeRite | Hi. Is there any way to integrate software RAID root filesystem GRUB configuration in Debian's update-grub style menu.lst? |
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| 20:12.07 | neo50 | hi pals |
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| 20:12.50 | honschu | How to play divX Files with totem? Is there a deb to install? |
| 20:12.52 | RaCarter | how come I keep getting errors like atkb.c: Unknown key pressed at the command line |
| 20:13.04 | RaCarter | I have a wireless keyboard |
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| 20:14.33 | LeBear | I don't see it in the FAQ so here goes, and I know this is a simple one.. but anyway... How do I change my window manager? |
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| 20:16.03 | valdyn | LeBear: how do you start X / log into X ? |
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| 20:16.30 | LeBear | it's automatically starts up.. I think it's xdm I believe. |
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| 20:16.45 | valdyn | LeBear: edit ~/.xsession |
| 20:16.51 | XTC | hello |
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| 20:17.26 | websdale | dfd:is that with alsaplayer - because I've experienced the same thing, but only with that |
| 20:17.38 | LeBear | valdyn: if I don't happen to have one, what would I put in it? exec wmaker (for example) |
| 20:17.42 | neo50 | hi |
| 20:17.47 | dfd | websdale: yes |
| 20:17.52 | LeBear | wq |
| 20:17.58 | valdyn | LeBear: exec /usr/bin/wmaker i guess |
| 20:18.01 | dfd | websdale: have you solved the problem? |
| 20:18.09 | neo50 | ? |
| 20:18.24 | websdale | dfd:no |
| 20:18.29 | XTCboarder | anybody can help me on openoffice? |
| 20:18.34 | LeBear | cool thanks.. I'll give that a shot. |
| 20:18.41 | XTCboarder | i need to change the bg of the sheets |
| 20:18.47 | websdale | dfd:xmms & other apps are fine |
| 20:19.00 | dfd | uhm.. xmms has the same problem for me.. |
| 20:19.04 | neo50 | ? |
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| 20:21.06 | Oliver | what would be the best way to delete the last line in a text file? i was thinking using "sed -e '$(wc -l <filename>)d' <filename>", but wc would give an output of "<numlines> <filename>" |
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| 20:21.53 | Oliver | and i can't put $() inside of a sed expression |
| 20:21.58 | valdyn | Oliver: count the lines with wc -l, take the first lines with head(1) |
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| 20:23.37 | mhge | how can i find out what line im on in vi? |
| 20:23.52 | minciue | ^G |
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| 20:25.03 | superSSS | Where can i get md5sum for sarge-i386-1.iso |
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| 20:25.40 | streuner | superSSS: usually md5sums are in the same folder where the isos are |
| 20:25.42 | superSSS | I tried to create an image of it with ISO9660 and it doesnt boot |
| 20:26.41 | SEcki | superSSS: it should already be an image, shouldn't it? |
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| 20:28.23 | superSSS | SEcki: yes i burned it as image |
| 20:28.29 | BadMan | My neck from what I can see using wifes makeup mirors and bathroom mirror is flame red.... Wonder if I should have hired this roof done lol |
| 20:29.32 | BadMan | superSSS: out of curiosity, did you set your bios to boot from cd-rom? and save the changes? Have you tried it on another computer? |
| 20:31.23 | superSSS | BadMan: yes , i set bios to boot from CD...it searched CD , but it doesnt find the image:/ |
| 20:32.11 | BadMan | well, possibly try it on another computer? |
| 20:32.23 | BadMan | Anyway, I gotta get back outside, running out of daylight |
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| 20:32.36 | lawnchair | hi |
| 20:32.42 | feistel | hi |
| 20:32.44 | feistel | I have a problem with apt-get |
| 20:32.55 | lawnchair | i bet you do |
| 20:33.14 | feistel | I try install openldap and get this error: --output-fd: unknown option |
| 20:33.24 | lawnchair | openldap gives me wood |
| 20:33.24 | feistel | I try with --reinstall and don't work |
| 20:33.29 | feistel | any suggest? |
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| 20:33.50 | feistel | I try in google and nothing :( |
| 20:34.07 | DaCa | Oliver: sed -ie '$d' filename |
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| 20:34.27 | ricky_clarkson | What happened to our channel modes? |
| 20:34.28 | sirmikester | does anyone know which sound device alsa uses |
| 20:35.12 | Eclipser | ricky_clarkson, huh? they're still there |
| 20:35.22 | feistel | nobody can help me? |
| 20:35.25 | ricky_clarkson | Eclipser: I can't see them (irssi) and neither can someone else. |
| 20:35.31 | valdyn | sirmikester: hmm? what are you trying to do? |
| 20:35.33 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, wait, they're there now. |
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| 20:35.47 | sirmikester | valdyn: my sound works fine for everything else, but lxdoom |
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| 20:36.02 | ricky_clarkson | It was just irssi not syncing my joins to the channel. |
| 20:36.05 | sirmikester | valdyn: i'm running debian with a 2.6 kernel and alsa |
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| 20:36.19 | valdyn | sirmikester: what is "everything else" ? |
| 20:36.30 | sirmikester | valdyn: gnome, xmms, sdl apps |
| 20:36.43 | valdyn | sirmikester: is "esd" running? |
| 20:36.51 | directhex | sirmikester, /dev/snd/pcm* |
| 20:36.51 | sirmikester | valdyn: i think so |
| 20:37.00 | caphuso | no, you want to goup one line but don't go up one line and intead jump into the middle of the current line |
| 20:37.05 | directhex | sirmikester, though you never deal with alsa devices directly |
| 20:37.08 | caphuso | grr |
| 20:37.17 | valdyn | sirmikester: lxdoom does not support alsa i would think, it will try to use /dev/dsp and that is handled by snd-pcm-oss ( alsas oss emulation layer ) |
| 20:37.37 | valdyn | sirmikester: kill esd, then try again |
| 20:37.53 | sirmikester | valdyn: do i have to have snd-pcm-oss installed? |
| 20:38.00 | sirmikester | valdyn: I have alsa-oss |
| 20:38.07 | dfd | uhm.. I have installed SOX.. how can I add MP3 support to it? |
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| 20:38.57 | valdyn | sirmikester: alsa-oss contains the tool "aoss", try "aoss lxdoom", but thats not snd-pcm-oss based, snd-pcm-oss is a kernel module implementing /dev/dspX |
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| 20:38.58 | mike | hi, how do i unzip my files? There is no package for zip? :'-( |
| 20:39.09 | sirmikester | valdyn: tried that |
| 20:39.23 | sirmikester | valdyn: didn't work, kept looking for /dev/dsp |
| 20:39.31 | valdyn | sirmikester: so look if snd-pcm-oss is loaded, kill esd, try lxdoom |
| 20:39.32 | sirmikester | valdyn: so i tried editing the config file |
| 20:39.46 | sirmikester | valdyn: how do i kill esd |
| 20:39.47 | Phated | mike: With unzip. You need to add non-free to your sources. |
| 20:40.01 | feistel | I try install openldap and get this error: --output-fd: unknown option |
| 20:40.05 | Phated | mike: Eh, no, you don't need non-free. |
| 20:40.14 | valdyn | sirmikester: in gnomes audio settings, unselect "start sound server" ( for the future ), for now just "killall esd" |
| 20:40.20 | feistel | anybody can help me, please? |
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| 20:40.44 | sirmikester | valdyn: i disabled my sound server a while ago |
| 20:40.48 | Oliver | DaCa: thanks :) |
| 20:40.49 | sirmikester | but i'll try killall |
| 20:40.59 | valdyn | sirmikester: ps aux | grep esd |
| 20:41.06 | mike | Phated: so how do i unzip my zips? |
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| 20:41.23 | Phated | mike: man unzip? |
| 20:41.23 | sirmikester | root 21930 0.0 0.0 1544 464 pts/0 R+ 15:41 0:00 grep esd |
| 20:41.39 | valdyn | sirmikester: good, so esd isnt running |
| 20:41.53 | sirmikester | valdyn: yep |
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| 20:42.04 | sirmikester | valdyn: so what else can i try |
| 20:42.24 | valdyn | sirmikester: run lxdoom in a shell, check the error |
| 20:42.30 | sirmikester | k |
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| 20:42.50 | mike | Phated: No manual entry for unzip |
| 20:42.56 | valdyn | sirmikester: maybe it needs lxdoom-sndserv to have sound at all |
| 20:43.13 | silvercat | is there an app for encoding videos in debian? :P |
| 20:43.22 | mike | Phated: i see, dw |
| 20:43.29 | minciue | silvercat mencoder |
| 20:43.35 | minciue | comes with mplayer |
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| 20:44.09 | sirmikester | valdyn: check this out |
| 20:44.34 | sirmikester | I_InitSound: Passing sound data to /usr/games/sndserv via pipe: I_InitSoundGen: Could not open /dev/dsp .lxdoom/ |
| 20:44.34 | sirmikester | Broken pipeianbox:~/.lxdoom$ ls |
| 20:44.34 | sirmikester | sent OKg BOOMSAV0.dsg tranmap.dat |
| 20:44.34 | sirmikester | /usr/games/musserv: midi_setup: can't find /dev/sequencer or /dev/sound/sequence r |
| 20:44.34 | sirmikester | /usr/games/musserv: No such file or directory |
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| 20:44.37 | superSSS | should sarge.iso be readable when mounted or not? |
| 20:44.42 | Oliver | http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html - very cool reference for random sed commands |
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| 20:45.10 | _rene_ | superSSS: readable - of course. writeable - of course no :) |
| 20:45.34 | sirmikester | valdyn: you there? |
| 20:45.42 | valdyn | sirmikester: yea, dont paste here |
| 20:45.46 | sirmikester | sorry |
| 20:45.46 | valdyn | !tell sirmikester about paste |
| 20:46.00 | sirmikester | #flood |
| 20:46.03 | superSSS | _rene_: becouse i am unable to mount it as /mnt/cdrom ; wrong fs type . I burned it as image file |
| 20:46.14 | nSe | how can i see which version of each package is avaliable in the different debian versions? |
| 20:46.33 | _rene_ | then you did something wrong... |
| 20:46.38 | sirmikester | valdyn: checkout what i pasted in flood |
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| 20:46.43 | valdyn | sirmikester: ok, those devices are provided by snd-seq-oss |
| 20:46.51 | _rene_ | or your download got corrupted... |
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| 20:47.07 | valdyn | sirmikester: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" to see if that devices works at all |
| 20:47.08 | sirmikester | valdyn: what package is that in |
| 20:47.22 | valdyn | sirmikester: "modprobe snd-seq-oss" |
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| 20:47.52 | valdyn | sirmikester: or are you still trying via aoss? |
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| 20:48.03 | sirmikester | valdyn: i had before |
| 20:48.41 | valdyn | sirmikester: ok, dont do it for now, does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" give sound? |
| 20:48.51 | sirmikester | valdyn: no |
| 20:48.55 | sirmikester | it says i'm out of memory |
| 20:49.03 | sirmikester | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 20:49.14 | valdyn | sirmikester: ll /dev/dsp |
| 20:49.18 | valdyn | sirmikester: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 20:49.34 | Enolayale | anyone know - I was updating via apt-get yesterday, and it screwed up and gave me this huge dump of info and then just sortof crashed - even if I boot my kernel I get the same crash and nothing happens |
| 20:49.35 | sirmikester | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9719808 2005-04-10 15:47 /dev/dsp |
| 20:49.40 | sirmikester | i don't have any dsp devices |
| 20:49.45 | valdyn | sirmikester: rm /dev/dsp |
| 20:49.45 | sirmikester | do i have to create a sym link |
| 20:50.07 | valdyn | sirmikester: "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" |
| 20:50.54 | sirmikester | valdyn: ok i did it, but what does that do |
| 20:50.57 | valdyn | sirmikester: after both above is done, ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 20:51.12 | sirmikester | here's what i got |
| 20:51.12 | sirmikester | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Apr 10 15:50 /dev/dsp |
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| 20:51.51 | valdyn | sirmikester: that loaded the oss emulation layer, so a driver to pipe /dev/dsp thru alsa |
| 20:52.04 | sirmikester | valdyn: so it should work now |
| 20:52.12 | valdyn | sirmikester: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
| 20:52.28 | sirmikester | yep |
| 20:52.29 | sirmikester | worked |
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| 20:53.35 | valdyn | sirmikester: now try lxdoom, it should work, then /msg dpkg alsa 2.6, you must not have installed one alsa package b/c manually loading the emulation layer should not be required, install the appropriate package or simple add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
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| 20:54.08 | sirmikester | valdyn: lxdoom works now |
| 20:54.17 | valdyn | !win sirmikester |
| 20:54.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, sirmikester! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:54.24 | sirmikester | :) |
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| 20:54.34 | sirmikester | valdyn: now let me check out why it didn't work... |
| 20:54.55 | Azar | ok I am not handy with mail stuff, I got obnoxious messages sent to me by Cron, so how can I stop that? |
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| 20:55.19 | valdyn | Azar: like what mail? |
| 20:55.39 | Azar | valdyn some system maintenance logs |
| 20:55.46 | Azar | boring reports |
| 20:56.27 | sirmikester | valdyn: thanks alot for you help!! |
| 20:56.28 | valdyn | Azar: about what? cron mails are either explicitely enabled by packages you install b/c reporting is just the purpose of those packages, or its errors |
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| 20:56.34 | valdyn | sirmikester: welcome |
| 20:56.38 | Azar | all I could think of I removed my username from /var/mail |
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| 20:57.00 | Azar | valdyn there are no error reports just some routine stuff |
| 20:57.01 | huhmz | in /etc/network/interfaces, can one have several "up" lines for an interface? i need to run more than one script |
| 20:57.04 | valdyn | Azar: so your MTA cant deliver mail? that IS an error |
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| 20:57.27 | valdyn | !tell Azar about paste |
| 20:57.30 | Azar | valdyn, I have not installed and configured a mail application |
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| 20:57.50 | valdyn | Azar: but you have an MTA, like any unix system |
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| 20:58.21 | Azar | valdyn I do have yes, but I never installed and configured something like postfix..etc. |
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| 20:58.31 | huhmz | never mind, found answer |
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| 20:58.52 | valdyn | Azar: hardly possible to install debian w/o configuring an mta |
| 20:59.03 | flyingmouseball | how do i fdisk a usb flash drive? |
| 20:59.08 | Azar | valdyn I do not even have a mailserver yet |
| 20:59.09 | superSSS | _rene_: I burn CD as Writing data CD - iso9660 filesystem |
| 20:59.24 | valdyn | Azar: as i said, no unix w/o MTA, you have one |
| 20:59.48 | superSSS | _rene_: and you say it should display sarge.iso file, when mounted under /mnt/cdrom ? |
| 20:59.53 | DaCa | Azar: add MAILTO="" to your crontab |
| 20:59.56 | Azar | valdyn I guess I have but all I can get are system routine announcements |
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| 21:00.09 | valdyn | Azar: paste it |
| 21:00.38 | Azar | valdyn, I do not know how to highlingt/copy/paste the command line |
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| 21:00.47 | Azar | I do not have gui installed |
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| 21:01.26 | websdale | Azar:install gpm |
| 21:01.31 | Azar | DaCa what that MAILTO would do? |
| 21:01.37 | silvercat | is there an app for re-encoding video in debian? |
| 21:01.39 | valdyn | Azar: save the mail text into a file and paste with 'exec -o cat <file>' ( in #flood ) |
| 21:01.39 | Azar | websdale, what is gpm? |
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| 21:02.08 | superSSS | _rene_: -r--r--r-- 1 root root 676120576 Apr 8 15:44 /mnt/cdrom/sarge-i386-1.iso |
| 21:02.35 | Azar | valdyn I will write it down on a paper, all I have is console text-mode I do not even use mutt |
| 21:02.39 | websdale | Azar: a package which allows you to use the mouse on the command line for copy/paste etc |
| 21:02.53 | valdyn | Azar: you can read the mail, so you can pipe it into a file |
| 21:02.55 | mwilson | silvercat: transcode? |
| 21:02.55 | Azar | websdale :) yeee! thanks |
| 21:02.56 | Phated | mike: You of course need to install unzip first. |
| 21:03.20 | sirmikester | quit |
| 21:03.29 | DaCa | Azar: it tells cron where to send reports, you said you dont want them, so setting it to "" will disable that functionality |
| 21:03.48 | valdyn | DaCa: though that would be a sick thing to do |
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| 21:04.14 | MobyTurbo | Azar: root will still get mail from debconf and other sources, even if you disable cron job output. |
| 21:04.15 | Azar | thanks |
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| 21:04.27 | DaCa | valdyn: I agree, but he asked for it :) |
| 21:04.35 | Azar | valdyn, I have lost that screens with the mails, because I have removed /user from /var/mail |
| 21:04.35 | pixil9 | How can i edit what loads at boot time? |
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| 21:05.06 | valdyn | Azar: recreate that file, this isnt good |
| 21:05.07 | minciue | pixil9 you mean like what services start at boot time? |
| 21:05.20 | pixil9 | minciue: yea |
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| 21:05.29 | Enolayale | do any of you wonder why Xeyes exists? |
| 21:05.39 | pixil9 | Enolayale: yes |
| 21:05.49 | Azar | valdyn I am not handy with mail stuff, I have no idea how to recreate stuff, I have removed /Azar from /var/mail/Azar |
| 21:05.55 | Enolayale | I believe there is a reason |
| 21:06.00 | Enolayale | some linux user reason |
| 21:06.04 | MobyTurbo | Enolayale: it's a demo program for shaped windows |
| 21:06.14 | Enolayale | MobyTurbo> Enolayale: it's a demo program for shaped windows |
| 21:06.16 | pixil9 | minciue: can you help me? |
| 21:06.18 | Enolayale | is it now... |
| 21:06.27 | Enolayale | well. I don't know why I have it. |
| 21:06.31 | tictac | lol |
| 21:06.41 | directhex | how about xlogo, do you use that? |
| 21:06.43 | Azar | well I guess since is Sunday, I will have fun doing what I know best: reinstall |
| 21:07.04 | Enolayale | ##################################################### |
| 21:07.05 | Enolayale | ### end auth/30_exim4-config_examples |
| 21:07.06 | Enolayale | #################################################### |
| 21:07.09 | Enolayale | what is this |
| 21:07.09 | MobyTurbo | !sing Sunday |
| 21:07.10 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 21:07.18 | Azar | :P |
| 21:07.25 | bobesponja | can I boot my sarge iso from my hd? |
| 21:07.48 | nSe | what are tards? |
| 21:07.52 | valdyn | Azar: its just a file, touch /var/mail/Azar && chown Azar.mail /var/mail/Azar && chmod 660 /var/mail/Azar |
| 21:07.55 | nSe | what tards are? |
| 21:07.56 | pixil9 | How can i disable services in debian at boot? |
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| 21:08.03 | bobesponja | nSe: retards |
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| 21:08.05 | MobyTurbo | !rubegoldberg install |
| 21:08.06 | Azar | tards == retards |
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| 21:08.20 | MobyTurbo | !rube goldberg install |
| 21:08.20 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 21:08.37 | Azar | valdyn, anyway I was planning a reinstall so I won't sweat over |
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| 21:09.46 | simonrvn | the world is insane. can someone stop it so i can get off at the next station? |
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| 21:09.56 | bobesponja | dpkg: so how can I do? :) |
| 21:09.58 | p2-mate | simonrvn: hehe |
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| 21:10.10 | DaCa | hi p2-mate |
| 21:10.16 | p2-mate | hi DaCa |
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| 21:10.43 | Azar | DaCa is that gpm going ok with woody? |
| 21:10.49 | simonrvn | p2-mate: good afternoon/evening |
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| 21:11.20 | mne | I have a strange problem with mrtg. I configured my snmpd.conf so that syslocation etc. is correct. I also configured my /etc/mrtg.cfg so that there's the correct system description and stuff in it. But each time cron runs mrtg I have a wrong system description and wrong other descriptions like "Maintainer: Root <root@localhost> (configure /etc/snmp/snmpd.local.conf)" and stuff. any hints ? |
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| 21:11.34 | simonrvn | "yes it's a gun." "*POW*" |
| 21:12.08 | Enolayale | what is the aterm option for a ton of saved lines? |
| 21:12.21 | Enolayale | I don't have it configured in root |
| 21:12.25 | DaCa | Azar: it used to be, why do you ask me? I hate mice |
| 21:12.28 | Enolayale | and I need to check something real quick |
| 21:12.42 | minciue | haha DaCa me 2 mice are evil |
| 21:12.49 | Enolayale | ahhhh man aterm |
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| 21:13.18 | Azar | well I can live withoug a mouse, is just I can't highlight/copy/paste |
| 21:13.18 | jasz | !tell me about openfts |
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| 21:13.33 | minciue | !mouse |
| 21:13.34 | dpkg | well, mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. |
| 21:13.46 | p2-mate | DaCa: you have a cat in the house ? |
| 21:13.51 | flyingmouseball | dpkg, well I installed Debian using a telegraph key hooked into the soundcard and inputed the zeroes as dots and the ones as dashes. It should be much, much faster using a punch card reader. |
| 21:13.56 | MobyTurbo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.01 | Azar | I didn't even installed X |
| 21:14.02 | DaCa | p2-mate: only four |
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| 21:14.30 | simonrvn | heh, 'only four'. sounds like a cat person ;) |
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| 21:14.47 | MobyTurbo | Azar: you can copy/paste using screen. apt-get install screen, then read its help screens for details |
| 21:14.52 | DaCa | p2-mate: of which one is stalking me atm, if you see garbage soon, its him :) |
| 21:14.56 | tatoo | hello all. |
| 21:15.05 | p2-mate | hehe |
| 21:15.19 | Azar | thanks I will do that out of curiosity :) |
| 21:15.49 | flyingmouseball | well i am trying to fdsik a verbatim usb store'n'go flash drive and the problem is trying to get rid of the protected partition, it does not show up in fdisk. any ideas |
| 21:15.51 | MobyTurbo | Azar: screen is a very powerful program. You can do a lot of things with it, like detaching multiple console windows. |
| 21:15.53 | simonrvn | make floppies, boot, install, install smp kernel, fiddle with pci card, done. |
| 21:15.57 | tatoo | i would like to connect my sony dsp-p93 camera w/ my computer in order to import my images. the problem is gtkam didn't find the camera. how can i fix it? |
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| 21:16.27 | simonrvn | take it to the vet |
| 21:16.28 | Azar | setting up kernel-image-2.6.11 ? huh? |
| 21:16.29 | Azar | lol |
| 21:16.31 | Antisoche | Boot floppies don't have 3w-9XXX driver - can't install from there |
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| 21:16.54 | simonrvn | make your own floppies. install d-i source |
| 21:17.12 | Azar | ./initrd.img does not exist.. I consider that normal since I do not have 2.6.x kernel |
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| 21:17.30 | MobyTurbo | Azar: initrd is not a 2.6 specific feature |
| 21:17.46 | minciue | i don't even think 2.6 requires it |
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| 21:18.13 | Azar | MobyTurbo: I guess screen is for higher kernels, I am only using woody with k2.4.18 right now |
| 21:18.13 | MobyTurbo | Azar: Debian's own kernel-images, at least for 2.4, *do* need it. |
| 21:18.22 | MobyTurbo | Azar: screen works for any kernel. |
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| 21:18.42 | MobyTurbo | Azar: 2.4.18 is not substantially different for basic functionality than later kernels. |
| 21:18.46 | santiago | how can i do to have users connected to internet and users not connected to internet? |
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| 21:19.09 | afrosheen | anyone have recommendations for a multilink ppp hardware router? |
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| 21:19.50 | timzter | how do I launch the various daemons that get launched on bootup manually? |
| 21:19.50 | MobyTurbo | Azar: I do recommend you upgrade though, 2.4.18 has a lot of security holes and bugs. |
| 21:20.22 | Wyzard | timzter: /etc/init.d/<servicename> start|stop|restart |
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| 21:21.10 | Azar | I have no idea what I did but it say it installed the kernel-image 2.6.11-k7 and when aborting installation gives me warnings |
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| 21:21.34 | baz | which X packages do I need for a headless X server? x-window-system is too much, surely |
| 21:22.04 | DaCa | baz: x-window-system-core ? |
| 21:22.10 | Wyzard | baz: The X server is where things are displayed on the screen |
| 21:22.12 | baz | DaCa: is that a question? :) |
| 21:22.14 | DaCa | its still too much, but hey |
| 21:22.15 | mwilson | baz: How do you figure? |
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| 21:22.29 | Wyzard | baz: If you mean you just want client programs like xterm and such to run remotely on other computers' displays, install xbase-clients |
| 21:22.36 | baz | Wyzard: ah, thanks |
| 21:22.45 | baz | mwilson: not sure I understand your question |
| 21:22.55 | Azar | I have no idea what it installed something about boot sector and LILO |
| 21:23.01 | timzter | Wyzard: is there a way to start them all automatically in the right order? |
| 21:23.28 | mwilson | timzter: The system is perfectly capable of starting what needs to be started... why are you doing it by hand? |
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| 21:23.50 | Azar | well, thanks everyone reinstall time |
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| 21:23.56 | timzter | mwilson: if you remember, I having disk problems. I booted using rescue disk and mounted the filesystems by hand |
| 21:24.09 | Wyzard | timzter: Look in /etc/rc2.d... the files there are symlinks to stuff in /etc/init.d |
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| 21:24.31 | Wyzard | timzter: The 'K' prefix means to run with a "stop" argument, 'S' means to run with a "start" argument, and the numbers define the order |
| 21:24.42 | timzter | Wyzard: cool |
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| 21:25.05 | Wyzard | timzter: /etc/rc2.d is for runlevel 2, the default in Debian... there's also /etc/rc3.d, etc. for the other runlevels |
| 21:25.48 | dbindner | Anyone have advice for the moin upgrade that happened recently in Sarge? I've found the migration scripts for migrating data but can't get things worked out. |
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| 21:26.57 | jasz | hello |
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| 21:27.18 | jasz | anyone here knows if Tsearch2 comes precompiled in the default PostgreSQL installation of Debian? |
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| 21:27.50 | Wyzard | jasz: I don't know the answer to that offhand, but if it doesn't, it might be in the postgresql-contrib package |
| 21:28.00 | _Enchained | Hello all |
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| 21:28.23 | jasz | Wyzard, ok ;) |
| 21:28.28 | _Enchained | I search for help to configure my Xchat |
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| 21:29.03 | Wyzard | _Enchained: There's a Preferences command on the Settings menu |
| 21:29.24 | _Enchained | In fact, I'd like to know who join a specific server |
| 21:29.38 | timzter | if apache fails to start..where are its logs again? |
| 21:29.41 | _Enchained | (sorry for my english i'm french) |
| 21:29.46 | Wyzard | There's a "Server List" command on the "X-Chat" menu |
| 21:29.55 | Wyzard | Or you can just type "/server <servername>" |
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| 21:30.10 | _Enchained | I mean how join and not who... |
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| 21:30.27 | _Enchained | ok Wyzard thanks |
| 21:30.40 | Wyzard | _Enchained: There's a #debian-fr btw... but your English is decent |
| 21:30.47 | toresbe | Is there a way to verify a physical disk against an ISO? |
| 21:31.04 | toresbe | mount it as loop then diff /dev/scd against /dev/loop*? |
| 21:31.08 | Wyzard | toresbe: cmp foo.iso /dev/cdrom |
| 21:31.22 | toresbe | Wyzard: I think an ISO has headers.... |
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| 21:31.54 | Wyzard | toresbe: There are a lot of things that get called "isos" (such as CloneCD images, rips of audio CDs, etc.) |
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| 21:32.03 | jasz | search engines are a lot of trouble man... |
| 21:32.14 | Wyzard | toresbe: But if it's a plain data CD, you most likely have a plain iso9660 filesystem image |
| 21:32.28 | toresbe | Wyzard: hmm, seems like it |
| 21:32.36 | Wyzard | toresbe: And in that case, the data you read from the CD device should be byte-for-byte identical to the iso |
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| 21:33.51 | toresbe | Wyzard: okay |
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| 21:34.13 | Wyzard | toresbe: You can also check for read errors using readcd's "-c2scan" option |
| 21:34.22 | tatoo | i would like to connect my sony dsp-p93 camera w/ my computer in order to import my images. the problem is gtkam didn't find the camera. how can i fix it? |
| 21:34.26 | Wyzard | toresbe: (readcd is part of the cdrecord package) |
| 21:34.27 | toresbe | Wyzard: thanks |
| 21:34.32 | timzter | I type ifup eth0 and it saus eth0 already configured. But when I type ifconfig -a, it only shows the loopback interface. How do I start eth0 properly (manually)? |
| 21:34.41 | Wyzard | timzter: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 21:34.52 | p2-mate | toresbe: iso's don't have headers. they are just a raw dump of the FS on the CD |
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| 21:34.59 | toresbe | p2-mate: okay |
| 21:35.03 | Wyzard | timzter: That happens sometimes if the interface fails to configure properly, usually due to not getting a response from a DHCP server |
| 21:35.03 | toresbe | Wyzard: cdrecord segfaulted, and the SCSI card driver is locked up now |
| 21:35.04 | maher | tatoo: does it act as a usb hd? |
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| 21:35.45 | p2-mate | toresbe: there are other cd image formats which support multiple tracks and other types of tracks then data etc |
| 21:35.46 | tatoo | maher: u mean the connection in my box? if so, yes. |
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| 21:35.50 | timzter | Wyzard: hmm... SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 21:35.58 | maher | tatoo: just mount it |
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| 21:36.11 | Wyzard | toresbe: "cdreset" might help, but if it's the kernel driver itself that's confused, you'll probably have to reboot |
| 21:36.21 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 21:36.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:36.23 | toresbe | Wyzard: it is :( |
| 21:36.41 | Wyzard | timzter: Oh, oops, you said "ifconfig -a"... seems like the interface just doesn't exit |
| 21:36.44 | Wyzard | *exist |
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| 21:37.02 | tatoo | maher: /dev/...? |
| 21:37.11 | maher | tatoo: are you running hotplug? |
| 21:37.20 | Wyzard | timzter: ifup says it's already configured because it's mentioned in /etc/network/ifstate (or ifstate.hotplug) |
| 21:37.27 | tatoo | maher: yes |
| 21:38.12 | maher | tatoo: look in /var/log/kern.log fo rwhat it called it - proabbly sda1 |
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| 21:38.45 | jose | somebody spanish? |
| 21:38.50 | maher | !spanish |
| 21:38.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:38.52 | Mike | how longs it take packages to get from unstable to testing/ |
| 21:39.08 | Wyzard | maher: Switching to root to view the kernel message log seems like a lot of work just to get pictures from a camera :-P |
| 21:39.12 | tatoo | maher: i tried sda1 but there is no information about sda1 in my /dev/. let me take a look at the file u told me... |
| 21:39.19 | chealer | Mike: depends on many things. use packages.qa.debian.org |
| 21:39.24 | maher | Wyzard: you don't need to be root |
| 21:39.24 | MobyTurbo | Mike: usually 10 days, unless critical bugs in it or a dependency are holding it up, which is fairly frequent. |
| 21:39.35 | Wyzard | Mike: Typically ten days IIRC, but it can be shorter if the package has an elevated urgency due to containing a security fix or something |
| 21:39.41 | Mike | k |
| 21:39.51 | Mike | something like gaim, for example, would be around 10 days? |
| 21:40.02 | Wyzard | maher: /var/log/kern.log is root.adm 0640 on my system |
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| 21:40.10 | maher | Wyzard: fell free to explain how to set up automout / supermount / whatever |
| 21:40.10 | TMM | hi all! |
| 21:40.16 | chealer | Mike: depends the upload urgency, mostly |
| 21:40.23 | TMM | is there anyone that can point me to a doc explaining DNS autoritivity for me? |
| 21:40.39 | chealer | Mike: BTW 1.2.1 is in testing |
| 21:40.41 | Mike | I'm looking at moving from gentoo to debian, but I'm a bit of a bleeding edge monkey |
| 21:40.41 | TMM | I need to know how it works, but I haven't been able to find some solid documentation on it |
| 21:40.42 | maher | Wyzard: add yourself to the adm group - you're going to wantto look at the logs |
| 21:40.44 | Wyzard | Mike: Typically, yes, but a particular revision of the package might have a higher urgency |
| 21:41.05 | maher | Mike: gentoo is explicitly designed for you then.... |
| 21:41.06 | chealer | Mike: that's no problem, because you can get a sarge/sid mix |
| 21:41.32 | Mike | sarge = stable or testing? |
| 21:41.33 | TMM | Mike: or just sid, works for me (r) (has for years) |
| 21:41.43 | chealer | !tell mike about releases |
| 21:41.56 | Wyzard | Mike: If you know what you're doing, you can just run unstable... I've been running it for 4.5 years and although stuff breaks on occasion, major problems are pretty uncommon |
| 21:42.05 | chealer | TMM: please don't recommend people to use sid |
| 21:42.14 | Mike | TMM: "sid" is subject to massive changes and in-place library updates. This can result in a very "unstable" system <-- this rubbish? |
| 21:42.31 | Mike | I'm using the testing branch of gentoo "~x86" currently, will unstable be less/more stable than that? |
| 21:42.41 | maher | Mike: sid is probably slightly more stable than running gentoo and emerging a lot |
| 21:42.43 | TMM | chealer: I said it "workd for me" :) |
| 21:42.46 | Wyzard | Mike: Probably about the same, but my Gentoo experience is limited so I can't say for sure |
| 21:42.50 | Mike | cool |
| 21:42.55 | minciue | works for me too |
| 21:43.00 | Mike | I'm thinking ubuntu for my desktop, debian for my server |
| 21:43.03 | minciue | sid i mean |
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| 21:43.07 | Wyzard | Mike: But if you're OK with running "~x86", you're probably experienced enough that you'd be fine with sid |
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| 21:43.31 | treestone | Mike: sid can be mostly solid for long periods, but occasionally many packages go through a massively unstable stage. |
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| 21:43.32 | Mike | aye, I've been running a linux server for a good 2 years now |
| 21:43.34 | TMM | I an only remember sid breaking massivly on me once, that was with the whole pam stuff that was going on a year or 2 back |
| 21:43.42 | tatoo | maher: i can't see some information that would be helpfull except the usb modules loaded successfully...what exactly should i look for? |
| 21:43.48 | TMM | the rest was peanuts to fix |
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| 21:44.08 | maher | tatoo: does it show up in lsusb? |
| 21:44.10 | blackout | i've got a wireless card that i'm forced to use ndiswrapper on - except some part of debian is loading the prism54 module for it by mistake - how can i keep that one modeule from being loaded automagically? |
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| 21:44.12 | Wyzard | TMM: There was also the time, a little over a year ago, when gnome-settings-daemon broke and made GNOME mostly unusable for about 2 days |
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| 21:44.19 | treestone | Well, it wasn't fun when Perl 5.8.0 entered. :-( |
| 21:44.27 | TMM | Wyzard: ow, I use KDE, I escaped that one :) |
| 21:44.30 | dfd | good night people |
| 21:44.30 | blackout | seems like it should be pretty easy |
| 21:44.30 | dfd | :-) |
| 21:44.56 | maher | there was the time pam broke and * meant no passwd... |
| 21:45.08 | Wyzard | TMM: I don't use KDE, but I do remember a time when KDE was uninstallable due to dependency conflicts :-P |
| 21:45.18 | tatoo | maher: w/ this exactly name, _lsusb_ , no. |
| 21:45.24 | TMM | Wyzard: that was easy enough to fix :) dpkg --force-all ;) |
| 21:45.32 | chealer | !tell blackout about blacklist |
| 21:45.35 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 21:45.39 | chealer | blackout: that may work |
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| 21:45.51 | TMM | Wyzard: that's probably something you don't want to tell n00bs though ;) |
| 21:46.03 | blackout | chealer, thanks - that's a good start, at least |
| 21:46.06 | Wyzard | Mike: FWIW, I've been running sid on this system for 4.5 years and have never needed to reinstall or anything... it's still running cleanly |
| 21:46.11 | Mike | nice |
| 21:46.13 | maher | tatoo: its in usbutils |
| 21:46.25 | minciue | fwiw? |
| 21:46.28 | TMM | Wyzard: or manually editing /var/lib/dpkg/status that's fun too :P |
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| 21:46.35 | Wyzard | Mike: so I can attest that it's usable with some competent care and feeding |
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| 21:46.37 | Darth-Predator | hey could you click the link http://www.kingsofchaos.com/recruit.php?uniqid=km9ucsuq and follow the steps it give you men in this stupid rpg game i want to win its easy |
| 21:46.46 | Wyzard | minciue: for what it's worth |
| 21:46.52 | TMM | Mike: the bottom line with debian sid is :"don't complain if it breaks" :) |
| 21:46.54 | blackout | chealer, is it necessary for both discover and hotplug to skip it? |
| 21:47.04 | minciue | ok thanks |
| 21:47.07 | TMM | Mike: it doesn't break a lot or anything but if it does you'd better know what you are doing |
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| 21:47.17 | Wyzard | which is the same bottom line as Gentoo's "~x86" flag, IIRC :-) |
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| 21:47.36 | setog3 | hi |
| 21:47.37 | tatoo | maher: nothing w/ usbutils also... |
| 21:47.40 | treestone | Mike: If you do install sid, I recommend installing 'apt-listbugs' too, which, if you're lucky, lets you abort an upgrade if there are broken packages. |
| 21:47.47 | maher | tatoo: the camera doesn't show up? |
| 21:47.48 | chealer | blackout: if you have a reason to believe it isn't, maybe it's not |
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| 21:48.34 | cat | !devforge |
| 21:48.37 | TMM | I personally never understood the point of gentoo, all the 'speedup' time you win with compiling is lost due to ... compiling... and I've ran gentoo for a while on this machine... although... the boot system is grand |
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| 21:48.43 | brosio | anyone known if is possible set the transset of list af application ? |
| 21:49.10 | Wyzard | TMM: The main benefit IMO is that you can avoid dependencies that you don't need |
| 21:49.24 | TMM | Wyzard: who cares really? |
| 21:49.25 | chealer | TMM: but maybe the packages will be perfect one day, and you won't have to compile anymore |
| 21:49.33 | Wyzard | TMM: Look at the dependencies of exim4-daemon-light vs. exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 21:49.34 | tatoo | maher: on the kern.log? yes. |
| 21:49.37 | Mik0 | For some reason, i all of a sudden am not able to read/write anything to my directory, although i can go inside folders...how would i fix this problem? |
| 21:49.45 | TMM | Wyzard: 2 mb waste of space due to a couple of libs you don't need? pfff :P |
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| 21:49.46 | Wyzard | TMM: They're the same software, just compiled with different optional feature sets |
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| 21:50.21 | Wyzard | TMM: Well, sometimes that "couple of libs" is most of X :-) |
| 21:50.26 | MobyTurbo | !gentoo |
| 21:50.26 | dpkg | methinks gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 |
| 21:50.40 | maher | tatoo: the camera shows up in kern.log? what does it say about it |
| 21:50.47 | TMM | Wyzard: I found myself CONSTANTLY compiling because of emerge world (I think) |
| 21:50.54 | Wyzard | TMM: Anyway, I agree it's not a major problem (which is why my primary distro is Debian, not Gentoo) but being able to trim the set of installed packages a little better to keep the system clean is nice |
| 21:51.33 | TMM | Wyzard: "most of x" meh... xlib is usually all that you need :) even if you DO install an X app on a headless system :) |
| 21:52.09 | MobyTurbo | TMM: it is a big deal on gentoo because if you install X that means you've got to compile it. |
| 21:52.25 | MobyTurbo | TMM: "USE flags" are just a way to deal with gentoo's lossage |
| 21:52.46 | Wyzard | TMM: and xlibs depends on a bunch of other stuff, like libxft1 and libxrandr2 |
| 21:52.57 | TMM | MobyTurbo: my point exactly :) you install xchat on a 'virgin' debian system you just get gtk/gdk which you'd need anyway and xlib |
| 21:53.08 | Wyzard | TMM: so my router is forced to have all that stuff installed, just so SSH X forwarding can work through it |
| 21:53.18 | treestone | I remember it took five days to compile X11R5 on a sparc spc |
| 21:53.34 | TMM | Wyzard: afaik you don't need xlibs to have x forwarding to work |
| 21:53.36 | tatoo | maher: |
| 21:53.39 | minciue | hahaha |
| 21:53.52 | minciue | just out of curiosity what's the fastest you guys ever compiled a kernel |
| 21:54.02 | valdyn | Wyzard: you dont actually want to run X applications on your router and display them elsewhere? |
| 21:54.06 | resiak | minciue: s/compiled/obtained/, and seven seconds. |
| 21:54.07 | Wyzard | TMM: when all that's *actually* needed for X forwarding is the xauth program (part of xbase-clients, which depends on xlibs) |
| 21:54.08 | tatoo | maher: |
| 21:54.10 | tarzeau | minciue: about 5 minutes |
| 21:54.15 | caphuso | TMM: no, you don't. but you need it to be able to start the program you want to forward |
| 21:54.16 | treestone | minciue: A couple of minutes (but that was back in the ages of 0.95c) |
| 21:54.24 | Wyzard | valdyn: No, I SSH to the router and then SSH from it to something inside |
| 21:54.40 | tarzeau | i managed to compile a kernel in 5 hours (on a sparc classic) |
| 21:54.45 | TMM | that's what I thought |
| 21:54.53 | Wyzard | TMM: xauth is needed to generate an auth key when using ssh -X outbound |
| 21:55.05 | TMM | Wyzard: ah, the magic cookie thing? |
| 21:55.06 | maher | tatoo: does your camera show up in gphoto2 --list-devices? |
| 21:55.08 | tatoo | maher: i just left this line...but there are others where only the date and time loggin is changed |
| 21:55.09 | Wyzard | TMM: yeah |
| 21:55.23 | MobyTurbo | it took me about half a day compiling 0.95 on a 386sx-16 with 4 megs RAM. Most of the time was spent swapping. |
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| 21:55.34 | TMM | Wyzard: can you build xauth without the xlib crap then? |
| 21:55.35 | tatoo | maher: yes |
| 21:55.41 | maher | tatoo: you didn't manage to paste anythig here |
| 21:55.48 | treestone | MobyTurbo: Oh, I had a 486 and 16MB :-) |
| 21:55.59 | tatoo | maher: sorry everybody. |
| 21:56.02 | MobyTurbo | treestone: that was a high-end system then. :-) |
| 21:56.17 | maher | tatoo: what does gphoto2 --auto-detect do |
| 21:56.33 | Wyzard | TMM: Probably, but that'd require modifying the source package, and maintaining my modified version if it gets updated |
| 21:56.40 | caphuso | TMM: urgh |
| 21:56.41 | treestone | MobyTurbo: Indeed :-) It survived (in active use) until recently, when the power supply broke down and killed of several cards as well. Including my adaptec scsi card. It was a high-end system :-) |
| 21:56.45 | tatoo | i thought that there wouldn't have any problem to paste two lines only... |
| 21:56.46 | caphuso | TMM: you lack complete understanding |
| 21:56.49 | tatoo | maher: let me see... |
| 21:56.51 | treestone | s/of/off/ |
| 21:56.56 | TMM | caphuso: I wouldn't say it is that ba |
| 21:56.57 | TMM | d |
| 21:57.02 | caphuso | TMM: if you want an xauth with xlibs, rename /bin/true |
| 21:57.06 | Wyzard | TMM: The advantage of the USE flags is just that making that customization is a lot easier, and doesn't need any maintenance |
| 21:57.07 | caphuso | err, without xlibs |
| 21:57.34 | MobyTurbo | treestone: I had a used 486 with 16 megs RAM for a while. 512MB IDE hard drive and VLB video. |
| 21:57.38 | tatoo | maher: Model, Port....but no info about them... |
| 21:57.41 | caphuso | sure, it wouldn't do shit and you certainly couldn't use it to enable ssh forwarding, but hey, it doesn't need xlibs |
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| 21:58.11 | TMM | caphuso: that was my whole question. I wondered if you needed xlibs to generate a magic cookie |
| 21:58.14 | treestone | MobyTurbo: I tried adding more memory, but with 64K cache it couldn't cache more than 16MB (it would get slower) |
| 21:58.16 | maher | tatoo: paste what it says in #flood |
| 21:58.19 | tatoo | maher: maybe should i set for PTP mode on the camera? |
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| 21:58.26 | tatoo | maher: ok |
| 21:58.26 | caphuso | TMM: even if you wouldn't, what'd be the point? |
| 21:58.33 | Wyzard | TMM: You do need xlibs... you have to connect back to the real X server and ask it to generate the cookie for you |
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| 21:58.43 | maher | tatoo: now that would be a good idea wouldn't it as gtkam / gphoto only supprt ptp |
| 21:58.49 | Wyzard | TMM: but you don't need the stuff the Debian xlibs package depends on, like libxrandr2 |
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| 21:59.13 | MobyTurbo | treestone: my system was a DX2-66, I wonder if it had that limitation too. I never tried adding RAM to it. |
| 21:59.17 | TMM | caphuso: did you even read the rest of the discussion? the point was he has a router wich he wants to use for X forwarding, and he uses gentoo on it because it saves him a lof of X apparently and I just wondered how much he'd save |
| 21:59.26 | caphuso | TMM: the X server |
| 21:59.34 | caphuso | that's all |
| 21:59.41 | treestone | MobyTurbo: I had a 33 first, then replaced the chip with a DX2-66. |
| 21:59.45 | Wyzard | TMM: No, I don't use Gentoo on it... it runs sarge, but I just wish I could avoid installing all those extra X packages |
| 21:59.52 | tatoo | maher: i pasted the output on the #flood |
| 22:00.00 | caphuso | you still need all the X client libraries installed, no matter if you use gentoo or something else |
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| 22:00.06 | pi | !dpkg gethostbyname |
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| 22:00.18 | maher | tatoo: i don't think you did |
| 22:00.25 | MobyTurbo | treestone: yeah, they didn't have 66MHz back in the days of the 0.95 kernel. :-) |
| 22:00.29 | TMM | Wyzard: why? this is soooooo much easier to maintain... who cares about the extra what... 5mb?? it uses? (even if it's 50, so what?) |
| 22:00.38 | pi | !dpkg gethostbyname |
| 22:00.40 | tarzeau | pi: you mean man gethostbyname |
| 22:00.52 | pi | yes. |
| 22:00.53 | pi | sorry. |
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| 22:00.55 | treestone | MobyTurbo: True.. I don't remember exactly when that upgrade option came around. A year later, maybe. |
| 22:00.58 | pi | !dpkg nam gethostbyname |
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| 22:01.06 | pi | !dpkg man gethostbyname |
| 22:01.07 | tarzeau | pi: can STOP PLEASE |
| 22:01.07 | TMM | pi: do you mean "man"? |
| 22:01.14 | Wyzard | TMM: Less clutter, mostly... like I said earlier, it's not a major concern, but it'd be nice |
| 22:01.15 | tarzeau | pi: you want to type this in your fucking shell |
| 22:01.19 | MobyTurbo | treestone: the system I had was either '94 or 95 |
| 22:01.22 | tarzeau | pi: and install manpages-dev first! |
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| 22:01.45 | TMM | Wyzard: if you are sure it'll work you can just force it to install and leave it at that :) (download the package manually) ;) |
| 22:01.46 | caphuso | Wyzard: it's called "gentooism" |
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| 22:01.49 | pi | I dont have gethostbyname installed, trying to find out what package its in. |
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| 22:01.58 | MobyTurbo | treestone: 0.95 was about '92 I believe, my memory could be fuzzy. |
| 22:02.00 | pi | geeze, was it that frikken annoying tarzeau?! |
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| 22:02.29 | treestone | MobyTurbo: That's correct. I installed 0.95{abc} around April-May 1992. |
| 22:02.40 | tarzeau | pi: YES |
| 22:02.41 | TMM | pi: it's just 'more than usual' noise :) not a big problem I'd say. but installing manpages-dev is probably a good idea |
| 22:02.42 | Wyzard | caphuso: And if it was a bad thing, then packages like emacs21-nox wouldn't exist :-P |
| 22:02.52 | tarzeau | pi: it's a function |
| 22:03.02 | tarzeau | pi: from the gnu c library |
| 22:03.09 | minciue | if you do c programming manpages-dev is a must |
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| 22:03.14 | caphuso | Wyzard: well, you're not going to install emacs21-nox if you plan on ssh x11 forwarding emacs |
| 22:03.21 | pi | hrm. |
| 22:03.25 | minciue | best refference ever |
| 22:03.34 | TMM | pi: very useful indeed |
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| 22:03.48 | MobyTurbo | bbiab |
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| 22:05.37 | MobyTurbo | glibc-doc is also useful |
| 22:05.47 | MyNameIsRetro | Hey umm... I'm using pppoe 3.5-4 and while /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider contains the defaultroute statement, "pon dsl-provider" doesn't set the default route if there already is a default route configured. I remember a time where it would replace the existing one, and restore it upon "poff" -- was that a distribution-specific hack or is this how it should behave on Debian, too? |
| 22:06.35 | caphuso | MyNameIsRetro: replacedefaultroute |
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| 22:06.48 | MyNameIsRetro | caphuso aaa thank you! :-D |
| 22:07.17 | TMM | Wyzard: while you do have a point, and you do, the manageability of debian's package management is so much higher (and faster!!!) than the USE flags or compiling in general. bandwidth is cheap, disk space is cheap... and there's no real saving in spead comparing debian to gentoo if you factor in compile time anyway :) I really think this is 'just faster' |
| 22:08.54 | treestone | TMM: Wyzard: Anyway, you can set up a similar always-build-from-source-with-yourown-super-options in Debian too, using apt-build |
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| 22:09.19 | minciue | bandiwth is cheap? |
| 22:09.30 | minciue | where do you people come from? |
| 22:09.31 | minciue | :D |
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| 22:09.46 | tarzeau | minciue: living in switzerland |
| 22:10.02 | flowtech | <- from good old germany |
| 22:10.05 | tarzeau | minciue: upstream traffic is expensive for private people, same goes for fixed ip addresses |
| 22:10.12 | minciue | great |
| 22:10.13 | MyNameIsRetro | ^5 flowtech ;-) |
| 22:10.17 | TMM | treestone: I actually did that a while, but that's combining the worst of both world really :) |
| 22:10.17 | minciue | i'm from romania |
| 22:10.22 | flowtech | hi, MyNameIsRetro |
| 22:10.27 | minciue | so don't bother telling me it's cheap |
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| 22:10.35 | minciue | it's _never_ cheap when ur dirt poor |
| 22:10.44 | minciue | hahaha |
| 22:10.49 | flowtech | lol |
| 22:10.54 | minciue | i was asking it rethorically |
| 22:10.56 | minciue | :D |
| 22:11.06 | treestone | TMM: Yeah, I tested it for a while but didn't find much use for it. |
| 22:11.08 | tarzeau | treestone: he didn't want to know the nationality, just where you live (because he wants to know the bandwith prices) |
| 22:11.11 | Gumby | does anyone here know how to get kdm to use xorg instead of xfree? Ive followed the howto for xorg and have it working properly but I am unsure how to get kdm to use it. |
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| 22:11.36 | tarzeau | Gumby: xorg doesn't exist. nobody knows |
| 22:11.37 | treestone | tarzeau: Aha. Ok. Still, lets hope not everybody answers :-) |
| 22:11.41 | TMM | minciue: Netherlands, and here, it IS dirt cheap :) no-datalimit connection for 50 euros (for a decent connection) |
| 22:11.49 | mwilson | Gumby: Why are you bothering with xorg? |
| 22:12.20 | TMM | Gumby: did you change the 'X' symlink ? |
| 22:12.29 | TMM | Gumby: thats pretty much all you need to do |
| 22:12.38 | Gumby | TMM: nope, I sure didnt :) where is that located? |
| 22:13.04 | Gumby | tarzeau: sorry, "Xorg" is that better? |
| 22:13.05 | TMM | Gumby: /usr/X11R6/bin/X /usr/bin/X11/X |
| 22:13.22 | Gumby | TMM: thx, I'll give that a shot |
| 22:13.22 | tarzeau | Gumby: debian packages are all without capital letters |
| 22:13.42 | TMM | Gumby: make sure that points to /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg |
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| 22:13.52 | Gumby | TMM: will do thx. |
| 22:13.59 | midas | hi !!!! |
| 22:14.11 | Gumby | tarzeau: then your comment is absoultely useless. xorg DOES exist and aparantly SOMEONE knows. |
| 22:14.21 | midas | I've got some problems with my pen-drive |
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| 22:14.40 | TMM | Gumby: he means that xorg isn't in debian yet |
| 22:14.46 | TMM | Gumby: it will be, but not yet |
| 22:14.52 | Gumby | TMM: tell me something I dont know :) |
| 22:14.52 | midas | I've mounted it and worked well |
| 22:15.00 | TMM | Gumby: for xorg related questions it's better to consult #xorg |
| 22:15.03 | midas | then I've umounted |
| 22:15.50 | Gumby | TMM: well, all in all, it really wasnt that much of an xorg related question though. I could have skirted the issue and ask.. "how might I change which X server kdm uses" |
| 22:15.53 | midas | but now I want to mount it again and I can't. Debian can't find it !!! |
| 22:15.59 | midas | whant can I do ? |
| 22:16.01 | TMM | Gumby: I'll support anything as long as it's remotely debian related, but some want debian ONLY quesions here, I'm not the one to make the rules or anything, thats just how it goes here |
| 22:16.02 | Gumby | instead I figured I'd just be straigh forward and state my issue |
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| 22:17.20 | TMM | Gumby: it's not a problem :) don't let the geeks bite :P |
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| 22:17.45 | Gumby | hehe |
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| 22:18.10 | midas | I've lost USB support ?żHow it can be ? |
| 22:18.24 | tarzeau | midas: you compiled a linux kernel yourself? |
| 22:18.33 | Gumby | TMM: so even though thats not a symlink for me, I should still create it as one? |
| 22:18.36 | Gumby | " /usr/X11R6/bin/X" |
| 22:19.01 | TMM | Gumby: euh... |
| 22:19.04 | midas | tarzeau: nops, I've just mounted and unmounted a pendrive |
| 22:19.08 | TMM | Gumby: that is NOT a symlink? |
| 22:19.33 | TMM | Gumby: that SHOULD be a symlink to Xfree or XFree86 (can't remember) |
| 22:19.42 | midas | tarzeau: the kernel I'm using is from bf24 instalation |
| 22:19.50 | Gumby | laptop:~# ls -al /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 22:19.50 | Gumby | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7860 Feb 23 01:07 /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 22:19.55 | tarzeau | midas: WOODY? |
| 22:20.02 | midas | tarzeau: yes |
| 22:20.36 | TMM | Gumby: is there an XFree86 or Xfree86 or XFree binary or SOMETHING in that dir too? |
| 22:20.38 | caphuso | TMM: there's no reason for it to be a symlink in sarge and newer |
| 22:20.53 | Gumby | /usr/bin/X11/X has the same permissions, no symlink |
| 22:21.19 | TMM | caphuso: ow, I'm getting old then... I was under the impression that that was always a symlink to the current X server's executable (but I've had all the Xfree stuff on hold since Xorg released) |
| 22:21.47 | TMM | Gumby: is there an Xorg binary in there somewhere? |
| 22:22.01 | midas | tarzeau: I wanted to read files from my pen drive. I've connected and it has started blinking (it was working) |
| 22:22.30 | tarzeau | midas: check dmesg ? |
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| 22:22.54 | midas | tarzeau: Then I've copied some files and I've umounted and pen's led has stop blinking |
| 22:23.10 | TMM | caphuso: I like pretty transparancy :) I was running FDO's Xserver before that :) |
| 22:23.20 | TMM | caphuso: I know, I'm a sissy :P |
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| 22:23.29 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hello irc world |
| 22:23.39 | Gumby | TMM: no, there isnt |
| 22:23.47 | tarzeau | midas: it's cool these leds. what color? |
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| 22:24.01 | midas | tarzeau: red |
| 22:24.04 | Gumby | xorg binaries are in /usr/local/X11R6.8/bin |
| 22:24.20 | TMM | Gumby: then I'd start with making sure that you installed Xorg correctly, afaik you should have an usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg binary |
| 22:24.24 | astrolux | I'm migrating from a amd thunderbird to an amd athlon 64 (pci express based) system, I need to use some sort of rescue floppy to boot up the first time. which one is recomended? |
| 22:24.25 | tarzeau | midas: is it a circle led or a square one? |
| 22:24.26 | midas | tarzeau: that let me know it's working |
| 22:24.29 | Gumby | if I just remove the old entry in ld.so.conf that may do it |
| 22:24.58 | TMM | Gumby: hmm you'd need the X server anyway, mucking with ld.so.conf isn't going to help you THERE :) |
| 22:25.08 | TMM | Gumby: did you build from source? |
| 22:25.11 | Gumby | TMM: I installed it using the URL that dpkg gives for "get xorg" its a non-intrusive way of installing. It doesnt touch xfree |
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| 22:25.28 | Gumby | http://blogs.vislab.usyd.edu.au/index.php/Steve/2004/09/09/installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 22:25.55 | TMM | Gumby: well... I did the intrusive way of installing :) just install everything xfree related to satisfy apt for future stuff, put it all on hold and install Xorg over it |
| 22:26.02 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | you guys have proxyscan? |
| 22:26.07 | TMM | Gumby: probably not the best way |
| 22:26.14 | TMM | SPEEDing|V\oNK: WE don't but freenode does |
| 22:26.25 | midas | tarzeau: circle or square ?ż?żwhat do you mean ? |
| 22:26.42 | Gumby | TMM: heh, well. it works as a user. kdm just doesnt start with it |
| 22:26.51 | tarzeau | midas: the led , can you make a photo of it? |
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| 22:27.33 | cri | hi, are there any problems with the current GNOME packages in unstable? I tried upgrading some packages and apt is suggesting me to REMOVE gnome, gnome-core, gnome-office...!!! (gnome-panel seems to be causing trouble, but I'm not sure...) |
| 22:27.39 | midas | tarzeau: no, I don't have camera. But the model is Flash Disk Super Slim |
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| 22:27.54 | TMM | Gumby: ok, if you want that you'll want to edit kdm's configuration, and make a shellscript with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and path |
| 22:27.54 | tarzeau | cri: yes |
| 22:28.05 | tarzeau | dpkg tell cri about sid faq |
| 22:28.57 | TMM | Gumby: it should look something like export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/X11R6.8/lib; export PATH=/usr/local/X11R6.8/bin:$PATH; Xorg $@ |
| 22:29.08 | midas | tarzeau: I will try restarting my computer... I need to read the files |
| 22:29.11 | TMM | Gumby: the script that is, place that somewhere |
| 22:29.23 | midas | tarzeau: can I do something else ? |
| 22:29.29 | TMM | Gumby: and make it executable(don't forget the #/bin/sh header) |
| 22:29.38 | Gumby | allright, will fo |
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| 22:29.57 | tarzeau | midas: no, the reboot might really help. well check /etc/modules , and lsmod if the modules are loaded. whatdid dmesg say? |
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| 22:30.39 | midas | tarzeau: lsmod ->usb-storage 97152 0 (unused) |
| 22:30.39 | midas | keybdev 1664 0 (unused) |
| 22:30.39 | midas | usbkbd 2848 0 (unused) |
| 22:30.39 | midas | input 3072 0 [keybdev usbkbd] |
| 22:30.39 | midas | usb-uhci 20708 0 (unused) |
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| 22:30.52 | TMM | Gumby: then edit /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers and put your script instead of /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 22:30.57 | TMM | Gumby: then you should be set |
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| 22:31.06 | midas | sorry |
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| 22:31.34 | midas | tarzeau: did you see ? |
| 22:31.44 | tarzeau | midas: you have to see. not me |
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| 22:32.28 | TMM | Gumby: got all that? |
| 22:32.30 | pixil9 | Could anyone help me out.. I just recompiled my kernel to 2.6.11 from 2.4.27 and my sound stopped working :( |
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| 22:32.56 | midas | tarzeau: I've got many usb modules leaded but unused |
| 22:33.05 | TMM | pixil9: that's all? lucky bastard |
| 22:33.15 | pixil9 | should i be going with 2.4? :P |
| 22:33.28 | TMM | pixil9: why would you want to go with 2.4? |
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| 22:33.32 | pixil9 | I see it's using ALSA or something now |
| 22:33.36 | midas | tarzeau: usb-storage,usbcore... |
| 22:33.36 | streuner | pixil9: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 22:33.37 | Gumby | TMM: yes, computing |
| 22:33.37 | pixil9 | but xmms can't find the sound device |
| 22:33.38 | Gumby | hehe |
| 22:33.45 | tarzeau | pixil9: xmms is broken |
| 22:33.50 | TMM | pixil9: if you don't have a special reason for that, don't, you will probably be happier with 2.6 |
| 22:33.55 | pixil9 | It's there 2.3.2 |
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| 22:34.27 | streuner | pixil9: why not just use a kernel-image? |
| 22:34.45 | TMM | streuner: that's a good second question ;) |
| 22:35.02 | pixil9 | I dunno.. just messing around I guess |
| 22:35.02 | deadcat | is there a way to request for all the share folders via samba on the entire network? |
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| 22:35.38 | midas | tarzeau: Ok, I've find ! I think It was the extension wire.... |
| 22:35.41 | TMM | pixil9: basically, 2.4 uses OSS, 2.6 uses ALSA (basically) on sid (Afaik) alsa autodetecion works, OSS autodetection doesnt |
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| 22:35.50 | JLogik | anyone know an easy way to install gaim? |
| 22:35.52 | Quinn_Storm | anyone know perhaps where I might be able to find the sscape_ctl program for alsa? it isn't with any of the debian alsa packages... |
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| 22:36.00 | pixil9 | ALSA device list: |
| 22:36.00 | pixil9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.15 | Wyzard | JLogik: apt-get install gaim ? |
| 22:36.16 | pollar | hi, after some commands (ps, w, top) i get this error/warning: "Unknown HZ value! (90) Assume 100". Why does this happen ? |
| 22:36.19 | TMM | pixil9: so you either want a 2.4 with ALSA, or remove sid's OSS blacklist (or manually load all the stuff you need in /etc/modules) |
| 22:36.28 | midas | tarzeau: thanx 4 your help !!!! |
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| 22:36.46 | pixil9 | TMM: Can't I use 2.6 with alsa? |
| 22:36.50 | TMM | pixil9: ah... well, then I've got no clue... it might be that both OSS and ALSA drivers are loaded |
| 22:36.56 | Wyzard | JLogik: Ask in the channel, don't PM me |
| 22:36.56 | pixil9 | oh |
| 22:37.02 | pixil9 | How do i see what's loaded? |
| 22:37.03 | Wyzard | Yes, "apt-get install gaim" will install gaim, unsurprisingly |
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| 22:37.10 | TMM | pixil9: no, 2.6 always has alsa enabled, in 2.4 it's optional |
| 22:37.17 | deadcat | pixil9: lsmod |
| 22:37.27 | TMM | pixil9: with the command 'lsmod' PLEASE don't paste the output in this channel |
| 22:37.32 | pixil9 | i have nvidia agpgart and nls_cp437 loaded |
| 22:37.33 | Gumby | allright.. hwg. hehe |
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| 22:37.42 | Gumby | brb (hopefully) |
| 22:37.44 | pixil9 | i compiled everything i wanted in the kernel heh |
| 22:37.50 | TMM | Gumby: good luck ;) |
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| 22:38.04 | TMM | pixil9: then you might still have both OSS and ALSA drivers 'loaded' |
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| 22:38.17 | pixil9 | TMM: well how can i kill OSS? |
| 22:38.26 | TMM | pixil9: if you compiled it in the kernel, you can't |
| 22:38.31 | deadcat | pixil9: you cant if its compiled |
| 22:38.39 | Quinn_Storm | anyone know where I can get the alsa-tools package for debian? |
| 22:38.42 | pixil9 | I didn't even see OSS in the kernel config |
| 22:38.46 | TMM | pixil9: but I'd recommend using prebuild kernel packages if you need to ask these kind of questions |
| 22:38.49 | deadcat | Quinn_Storm: apt-cache search |
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| 22:38.52 | TMM | pixil9: no offence :) |
| 22:39.08 | streuner | deadcat: http://weda.mine.nu/torsmo.png ;-) |
| 22:39.12 | RedGlow | hi all |
| 22:39.14 | pixil9 | ah no OSS is not compiled. |
| 22:39.18 | TMM | pixil9: if you just want it to work that is :) if you want to tinker, tinker |
| 22:39.22 | pixil9 | i've been using freebsd for 8 years.. i have to get used to this |
| 22:39.29 | Quinn_Storm | deadcat: I have, there is no package like I seek in main contrib or non-free |
| 22:39.42 | deadcat | streuner: oh girl. nice (= |
| 22:39.55 | deadcat | Quinn_Storm: alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 22:39.57 | TMM | pixil9: maybe xmms was using OSS output, and you didn't compile OSS emulation with ALSA |
| 22:40.04 | Wyzard | Quinn_Storm: Do you mean alsa-utils maybe? |
| 22:40.14 | TMM | pixil9: check if XMMS's output plugin in set to ALSA and not to OSS |
| 22:40.16 | streuner | deadcat: heh? |
| 22:40.21 | pixil9 | I tried setting it to ALSa.. no go |
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| 22:40.25 | pixil9 | hmm |
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| 22:40.44 | Azar | feels good like I was cleaning all that dirt piled up in the system |
| 22:40.44 | Quinn_Storm | Wyzard: no I do not mean alsa-utils. |
| 22:40.48 | Quinn_Storm | Wyzard: I need the sscape_ctl program |
| 22:40.54 | deadcat | streuner: you might want to parse some of the output yourself. like: Currently:\n\t5<deg>, i preffer the same line. |
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| 22:41.17 | pixil9 | ok i'll recompile with OSS emulation |
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| 22:41.46 | TMM | pixil9: might not be it at all, if it's not working diretly with ALSA out, then I don't think it's going to help much |
| 22:41.54 | pixil9 | oh :( |
| 22:41.56 | RedGlow | Little problem: I'm packaging a program, and I want dh_installinit and dh_shlibs to write their stuff in the postinst script AND to add some more lines of mine at the end of it (I'm using dh_installdebconf). But, if I write a postinst, then the other debhelper tools don't add their stuff. How can I do it? |
| 22:42.11 | TMM | pixil9: someone did note that XMMS was broken, that person might have been referring to the XMMS package currently in debian. Try another audio player perhaps? |
| 22:42.14 | Wyzard | RedGlow: #debian-devel would be a better place to ask about packaging |
| 22:42.21 | deadcat | streuner: you should try fixed fonts or one of the smaller 5x8 fonts or something. because torsmo takes almost 1/2 of your screen already. |
| 22:42.22 | pixil9 | not a bad idea.sec |
| 22:42.25 | TMM | pixil9: but, recompiling with OSS emulation is always a good idea |
| 22:42.36 | TMM | pixil9: a lot of older software doesn't know (or care) about alsa yet |
| 22:43.07 | RedGlow | Wyzard: ok, I supposed there was a better channel :-) |
| 22:43.08 | deadcat | streuner: i see you using ob3 as well (= |
| 22:43.11 | streuner | deadcat: well, that what i want to ask, i can change almost everything in that file |
| 22:43.24 | streuner | deadcat: but it hadn't any effect |
| 22:43.32 | Quinn_Storm | well I'll just d/l the alsa-tools package and compile myself from the alsa site for now |
| 22:43.33 | pixil9 | TMM: okay thanks |
| 22:43.39 | deadcat | streuner: restart torsmo? |
| 22:43.47 | TMM | pixil9: is it working now? |
| 22:43.52 | streuner | deadcat: yeah, of course ;-) |
| 22:43.53 | pixil9 | nah |
| 22:43.54 | deadcat | hehe |
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| 22:44.07 | pixil9 | I have VLC for movies.. but i think it only uses OSS |
| 22:44.08 | tarzeau | streuner: you never sleep? |
| 22:44.13 | deadcat | streuner: have you tried my .torsmorc see if it changes? |
| 22:44.35 | Wyzard | Quinn_Storm: Google turns up http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/01/msg00942.html -- looks like there were some legal questions about including sscape_ctl in Debian |
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| 22:44.47 | streuner | deadcat: well |
| 22:44.48 | Jusaah | i just installed debian... what i must do first ? /msg me pls... |
| 22:44.58 | streuner | tarzeau: sometimes ;-) |
| 22:44.59 | deadcat | Jusaah: /topic |
| 22:45.01 | msc | hello ! |
| 22:45.22 | deadcat | msc: whats up dude. havent seen you here in a while. (= |
| 22:45.30 | DaCa | Jusaah: read the install manual :) |
| 22:45.33 | pixil9 | TMM: PCM is the correct device? |
| 22:45.41 | Wyzard | Quinn_Storm: You might be able to find an unofficial package on apt-get.org, though |
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| 22:45.54 | Jusaah | how i can donwload ?? |
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| 22:46.20 | Azar | Jusaah, learn now: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/index.html#contents |
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| 22:46.32 | cafuego | Jusaah: What must you do? use debian for what you wanted. |
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| 22:46.51 | Jusaah | hmm. |
| 22:46.54 | msc | deadcat: thanks, i just hanging over here |
| 22:46.57 | Jusaah | damn im sux eng |
| 22:47.02 | deadcat | msc: (= |
| 22:47.22 | Wyzard | Jusaah: There are other channels for other languages... such as #debian-fr for French, #debian-es for Spanish, and so on |
| 22:47.33 | Jusaah | fin.. |
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| 22:47.57 | Wyzard | Jusaah: #debian-fi |
| 22:47.58 | cafuego | Jusaah: If you want to know how to install software, you do that by running 'aptitude'. |
| 22:47.58 | Jusaah | now i founded |
| 22:48.01 | Jusaah | thanks anyway |
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| 22:48.18 | msc | should i remove those file system when i compile my kernel ? such as minix anf sgi file system ? |
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| 22:48.31 | deadcat | msc: ya. if you dont plan to use it. |
| 22:48.32 | cafuego | msc: Are you likely to use them? |
| 22:48.32 | TMM | pixil9: PCM is the standard channel on your soundcard for 'normal' sounds (apart from stuff like CD audio or midi or something) |
| 22:49.06 | Quinn_Storm | Wyzard: I know about apt-get.org and I did look there |
| 22:49.20 | msc | i will never use them. |
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| 22:49.58 | Wyzard | Quinn_Storm: dunno then... maybe you could email that person who said he'd packaged alsa-tools, and ask about the current status of the package |
| 22:50.01 | cafuego | msc: Then I see no reason why you should wait for them to be compiled |
| 22:50.02 | astronut | any way to sort a list by numerical value (so that 8 is < 12)? |
| 22:50.06 | Wyzard | Quinn_Storm: But check the WNPP page first |
| 22:50.13 | Quinn_Storm | Wyzard: WNPP? |
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| 22:50.25 | cafuego | Any_Key: sort -n (man sort) |
| 22:50.50 | Wyzard | Quinn_Storm: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/index.en.html -- look under "packages being worked on" |
| 22:50.54 | streuner_ | deadcat: why doesn't the fonts change? |
| 22:51.17 | deadcat | streuner_: try "fixed" as the font. just to make sure |
| 22:51.52 | Quinn_Storm | ah, yeah, it is there |
| 22:52.15 | kingsley | I found a way to crash X. |
| 22:52.23 | tarzeau | kingsley: congratulations! |
| 22:52.30 | deadcat | streuner_: ah. i remember. you need to get an older version of torsmo. i had to hold this pkg. )= |
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| 22:52.38 | kingsley | tarzeau: Thanks. |
| 22:52.45 | BadMan | ahh.. beer thirty..... |
| 22:52.46 | Netdream | hello, every one :) |
| 22:52.55 | tarzeau | kingsley: remotely or only local? |
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| 22:52.59 | [bono] | Question: Hi. I finally finished compiling enlightenment dr17, and when I start e17, I get an all-white screen, whith weird menu colors... Any known issue, folks? |
| 22:53.01 | kingsley | And, it's duplicatable. |
| 22:53.04 | msc | deadcat: i try to install x windows system from command line mode under Debian/Sarge, but it tells me that i can not install xfonts because it conflicts with xfonts-nexu, what can i do ? |
| 22:53.09 | tarzeau | [bono]: #e |
| 22:53.12 | kingsley | tarzeau: I've only tested it locally. |
| 22:53.15 | pixil9 | When I use dpkg -l how can i make it show the full name of the package? |
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| 22:53.21 | msc | deadcat: thaks dude |
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| 22:53.31 | [bono] | tarzeau: didnt know. thanks |
| 22:53.35 | streuner_ | deadcat: what's the URL for your .torsmorc? |
| 22:53.40 | deadcat | msc: you using apt-get install? apt-get install x-window-system-core should take care of everything for ya |
| 22:53.45 | deadcat | streuner_: deadcat.arcz.net/torsmorc |
| 22:53.49 | tarzeau | kingsley: i mean can you crash my x server? |
| 22:53.51 | kingsley | Crashing X is easy, at least on my box. |
| 22:54.08 | smoser | anyone know this: i've got a CVS directory tree that I'd like to move into another CVS respository. How can I do so and maintain history |
| 22:54.11 | deadcat | streuner_: my desktop is off so you hae to use ^^ that one. its from my laptop |
| 22:54.12 | timzter | at the rescue disk's prompt, what must I type to use the kernel image on my /dev/hda1, but also with init=/bin/bash ro |
| 22:54.15 | smoser | without any server side access on either. |
| 22:54.24 | smoser | will import work? |
| 22:54.29 | kingsley | I'll put instructions in #flood and would appreciate it if someone tries to duplicate the bug. |
| 22:54.31 | Netdream | Question: I have installed bluetooth-alsa packet, but I can't hear anything when I use aplay. What's the problem about it? |
| 22:54.45 | tarzeau | kingsley: can you also put it on the web, and paste one url here? |
| 22:54.55 | msc | deadcat: that's great !!1. |
| 22:55.04 | tarzeau | kingsley: because freenode sucks: 00:54 [gnu] -!- Cannot join to channel #flood (You have joined to too many channels) |
| 22:55.05 | pixil9 | When I use dpkg -l how can i make it show the full name of the package? |
| 22:55.23 | tarzeau | pixil9: COLUMNS=160 before the command |
| 22:55.31 | pixil9 | thx |
| 22:55.36 | treestone | smoser: You can't use import for that. It's terribly difficult to maintain history without server access. |
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| 22:55.50 | streuner_ | deadcat: in which package are the fonts 'edges'? |
| 22:55.56 | timzter | guess not |
| 22:56.00 | deadcat | streuner_: xfonts-artwiz |
| 22:56.01 | kingsley | tarzeau: OK, what's a good web site for free posts? |
| 22:56.03 | smoser | treestone, :-( oh well. |
| 22:56.09 | smoser | thanks anyway |
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| 22:56.15 | tarzeau | kingsley: localhost ? |
| 22:56.20 | Netdream | deadcat: Hi. I have installed bluetooth-alsa packet, but I can't hear anything when I use aplay. Do you know what's the problem about it? |
| 22:56.28 | tarzeau | kingsley: i mean you run debian? install apache or thttpd, put the stuff in /var/www |
| 22:56.35 | hdkiller | Hello, How can recompile the package libgnome-vfs whit ssl support in the debian way? |
| 22:56.36 | pixil9 | tarzeau: Do you know why dpkg lists things marked by "un" ? |
| 22:56.39 | deadcat | streuner_: you need to use the older version of torsmo in order for that font to work. seems like the newer version of torsmo in sid/sarge is fucked |
| 22:56.43 | tarzeau | kingsley: if you want a name for your machine, www.mine.nu |
| 22:56.51 | tarzeau | pixil9: yes |
| 22:56.57 | deadcat | Netdream: are you in the audio group? |
| 22:56.58 | kingsley | tarzeau: Here are the instructions: |
| 22:56.59 | hdkiller | Or, actualy how can i recompile a package inteligently? |
| 22:57.02 | pixil9 | tarzeau: what does it mean? |
| 22:57.04 | kingsley | 1.) run gimp |
| 22:57.14 | deadcat | Netdream: i dont know what bluetooth-alsa is. (= |
| 22:57.16 | tarzeau | pixil9: removed, but configuration is still there |
| 22:57.16 | kingsley | 2.) xtns->Script-Fu->Logos->Basic 1 |
| 22:57.21 | treestone | smoser: Even if you have server access you would have to extract information from the CVSROOT/History file and merge that into the corresponding file on the new server/repository, to get absolutely everything (although this is less critical than the revisions of course, which are in the ,v files) |
| 22:57.21 | tarzeau | pixil9: removed without --purge |
| 22:57.30 | kingsley | 3.) Click on "FONT" |
| 22:57.32 | tarzeau | hdkiller: for example which application? |
| 22:57.35 | pixil9 | ah. how can i clean it up? |
| 22:57.37 | Netdream | deadcat: Thank you. I'll try to ask others.:) |
| 22:57.38 | streuner_ | deadcat: there was a bug in *.05 - xft, but its now fixed |
| 22:57.38 | hdkiller | tarzeau, libgnome-vfs |
| 22:57.41 | kingsley | 4.) Font Size (pixels) : 500 |
| 22:57.42 | tarzeau | pixil9: dpkg --purge package |
| 22:57.48 | kingsley | 5.) Font : arial bold |
| 22:57.51 | pixil9 | oh i see |
| 22:57.52 | tarzeau | pixil9: or the whole app+conf using apt-get --purge remove pkg |
| 22:57.52 | pixil9 | cool |
| 22:57.53 | deadcat | streuner_: cool. thanks |
| 22:57.55 | Netdream | Question: I have installed bluetooth-alsa packet, but I can't hear anything when I use aplay. What's the problem about it? |
| 22:57.59 | deadcat | Netdream: (= |
| 22:58.02 | kingsley | 6.) Click on "OK" |
| 22:58.05 | hdkiller | tarzeau, libgnome-vfs-common for the examlpe, i want SSL support into it |
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| 22:58.07 | kingsley | 7.) kaboom |
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| 22:58.28 | hdkiller | tarzeau, i read in the CVS SSL-Readme, no ssl in default becouse license issue.. |
| 22:58.31 | tarzeau | hdkiller: i'd try with apt-get source libgnome-vfs-common ... |
| 22:59.02 | hdkiller | tarzeau, that's ok, but what then? |
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| 22:59.14 | pixil9 | tarzeau: It's saying they aren't installed? |
| 22:59.18 | hdkiller | tarzeau, i can compile etc, but i want to do the 'debian way' |
| 22:59.31 | tarzeau | hdkiller: i don't know. i don't want to get to hell... the angels are waiting for me in the sky |
| 22:59.33 | hdkiller | tarzeau, i think there will be some tool for it.. |
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| 22:59.47 | tarzeau | hdkiller: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 23:00.00 | tarzeau | pixil9: dpkg --purge pkg can remove un packages from dpkg -l |
| 23:00.09 | tarzeau | pixil9: the apt-get command only works if the package really is in |
| 23:00.41 | citral | what is .nu? |
| 23:00.51 | msc | deadcat: i am using IBM/Thinkpad r50 , linux can not shut down the computer completely, (it can turn off hard drive and Lcd panel, but the motherboard is still working, what can i do ? |
| 23:01.04 | deadcat | dpkg -l | awk '$1 ~ /^rc/ {print $1}' | xargs dpkg -P SHOULD work |
| 23:01.05 | dpkg | xargs dpkg -P SHOULD work 3.3-13 deadcat's private stamp collection |
| 23:01.10 | tarzeau | citral: a top level domain for a country called niue |
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| 23:01.24 | deadcat | msc: load the apm or acpi module? |
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| 23:02.15 | hdkiller | tarzeau, hm, it's really talks about the configuration directives.. |
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| 23:02.25 | deadcat | streuner_: torsmo 0.18-5 id not seeing my edges fonts. i am going back to the older version |
| 23:02.25 | caphuso | deadcat: you want a COLUMNS=200 in front of dpkg |
| 23:02.28 | hdkiller | tarzeau, i mean s,really,not really , ;] |
| 23:02.40 | tarzeau | good night |
| 23:02.45 | deadcat | caphuso: oh ya. hehe. |
| 23:02.45 | caphuso | deadcat: and awk should print $2, not $1 |
| 23:02.47 | streuner_ | deadcat: i didn't want say that ;-) |
| 23:02.58 | deadcat | hehe |
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| 23:03.01 | citral | ah ok, between new zeland and australia |
| 23:03.05 | streuner_ | *cough* |
| 23:03.09 | deadcat | off the left side of my head. hehe |
| 23:03.31 | caphuso | so, make the whole thing COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
| 23:03.33 | msc | no, but iam going to try it now. i can find xapm, is that correct? |
| 23:03.52 | deadcat | streuner_: i have to hold torsmo and root-tail, both seem to be better using older versions. atleast to me. |
| 23:04.08 | streuner_ | deadcat: what version do you use, don't say you're using *.03? |
| 23:04.20 | deadcat | streuner_: .3 (= |
| 23:04.25 | streuner_ | haha |
| 23:04.27 | deadcat | why? |
| 23:04.33 | msc | deadcat: i will try it now. there is no apm, but i can find xapm, is that correct / |
| 23:04.38 | streuner_ | deadcat: i told you :-) |
| 23:04.48 | mwilson | deadcat: "edges fonts"? |
| 23:04.51 | deadcat | msc: nope. |
| 23:05.03 | deadcat | mwilson: ya. part of artwiz |
| 23:06.30 | mwilson | deadcat: People still use those things? |
| 23:06.43 | deadcat | mwilson: i do. looks nice with torsmo and root-tail |
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| 23:07.33 | esq | hello ppl |
| 23:07.36 | tamar1 | hello |
| 23:07.51 | tamar1 | i seem to be having an issue with apt running autoclean even though it appears to be off... |
| 23:07.51 | esq | first time knoppix user :) |
| 23:07.59 | tamar1 | is there another setting? |
| 23:08.08 | deadcat | esq: #knoppix |
| 23:08.09 | cafuego | first time wrong channel? #knoppix is there -> |
| 23:08.32 | msc | deadcat: hi dude, i tried acpi , but the problem was not solved :( |
| 23:08.59 | deadcat | msc: hmm. no clue. i dont have a thinkpad r50 (=. maybe someone else here might know though |
| 23:09.13 | esq | #knoppix |
| 23:09.19 | esq | lol |
| 23:09.21 | Ragan | !tell esq about knoppix |
| 23:09.31 | deadcat | msc: you use halt or shutdown -h now? |
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| 23:09.58 | Any_Key | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.24 | mwilson | Hm, netwmpager doesn't set _NET_WM_STRUT_PARTIAL *or* _NET_WM_STRUT_PARTIAL |
| 23:10.35 | msc | deadcat: i select shut down from the "log out" of gnome |
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| 23:11.03 | deadcat | msc: ah. no clue. |
| 23:11.06 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.11 | StupidMop | i have a laptop, a ethernet card that is supported, debian woody installed. when i type ifconfig only the loopaback shows up and not my ethernet. i want to get my ethernet card working so i can get onto the internet. What should i try next? |
| 23:11.15 | streuner_ | deadcat: yeah, that was it, using .2 now ;-) thanks. |
| 23:11.19 | directhex | Azar, make it yourself? or don't run woody |
| 23:11.39 | deadcat | streuner_: hehe.. they really have to fix their shits before putting in sid (= |
| 23:11.48 | Azar | directhex, I want to stay with woody for now |
| 23:11.54 | msc | Netdream: hi dude, which kernel are you using ? |
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| 23:11.58 | citral | !backports |
| 23:11.58 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 23:12.05 | citral | msc: ^^ |
| 23:12.14 | streuner_ | deadcat: well, there isn't a bugreport yet? |
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| 23:13.07 | msc | citral: hi dude ! do you know the shutting down problem of Thinkpad R50 / |
| 23:13.17 | directhex | Azar, for any particular reason? |
| 23:13.19 | deadcat | streuner_: i think you and i are the only using it. and i am the only one using root-tail hehe |
| 23:13.27 | Azar | directhex, for learning only |
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| 23:13.51 | Azar | ..so I guess 2.4.18 will be ok |
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| 23:14.04 | citral | HEL NO. I DUNNO |
| 23:14.05 | directhex | Azar, if your hardware is recent enough that woody's kernel isn't good enough, woody isn't good enough |
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| 23:15.14 | Grant | Hey guys, using the high 5 setup..... Although Clamav failed to do the virus check and now there are emails stuck with amavas how do i make it release them to the mail boxes?? |
| 23:16.29 | Azar | directhex, for study is good enough, I keep making mistakes, and getting to reinstall |
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| 23:16.41 | Azar | ..so at this point is useless to fine-tune it |
| 23:16.45 | Grant | anyone? |
| 23:16.57 | cafuego | Bueller? |
| 23:17.06 | Iron | Bueller? |
| 23:17.27 | Azar | ferris bueller? |
| 23:17.32 | deadcat | hahaha |
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| 23:18.05 | deadcat | streuner_: new screenshot yet? |
| 23:18.24 | Virtual | is there any way I can limit my upload ? |
| 23:19.01 | StupidMop | so. i have a supported pcmcia card. and i have pcmcia-cs. but no ethernet adapter shows up when i do an ifconifg. Any suggestions? |
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| 23:19.12 | deadcat | Virtual: theres a shaper module. |
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| 23:19.33 | Grant | Hey guys, using the high 5 setup..... Although Clamav failed to do the virus check and now there are emails stuck with amavas how do i make it release them to the mail boxes?? |
| 23:19.34 | simonrvn | StupidMop: try restarting pcmcia-cs |
| 23:19.38 | Virtual | deadcat: do you know how it`s called? |
| 23:19.48 | deadcat | Virtual: modprobe shaper |
| 23:19.49 | StupidMop | simonrvn: how do i do that? |
| 23:20.06 | deadcat | Virtual: also apt-cache search shaper |
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| 23:20.25 | citral | traffic shaper |
| 23:20.28 | Virtual | deadcat: now what? how do I configure it or something ? |
| 23:20.34 | simonrvn | StupidMop: then restart networking. i would maybe put pcmcia-cs first for booting. if no one here thinks that's a bad idea. deadcat, you think that's cool? |
| 23:20.43 | deadcat | Virtual: hell if i know (= |
| 23:21.04 | citral | Virtual: you pick up one, and read /usr/share/doc/<package> like everyone else :) |
| 23:21.06 | raven | I just installed debian sarge and I'm having some minor problems figguring some things out that seems to be different from what I'm used to with my former distros, would anyone be able to give me some help in PM? |
| 23:21.16 | simonrvn | with its init script /etc/init.d/foo restart, or invoke-rc.d foo restart |
| 23:21.22 | citral | Virtual: hint: wondershaper is EASY |
| 23:21.37 | Azar | test |
| 23:21.46 | Virtual | citral: yeah it would be nice to have a manual entry for shaper or doc or something |
| 23:21.48 | deadcat | simonrvn: sounds good to me (=. maybe he just need ifconfig -a hehe |
| 23:21.56 | Azar | am I still here? |
| 23:22.21 | BadMan | raven: ask you r question in the open that way anyone that has the problem also may benefit from the help recieved |
| 23:22.23 | streuner_ | deadcat: the same URL |
| 23:22.28 | deadcat | cool |
| 23:22.33 | StupidMop | deadcat & simonrvn: yes! ifconfig -a did it! What did that do? why did that work? |
| 23:22.49 | citral | Virtual: it would be nice? it IS there. apt get install wondershaper; man wondershaper; zless /usr/share/doc/wondershaper/README.Debian.gz |
| 23:23.03 | deadcat | StupidMop: that shows all devices even when not configured. |
| 23:23.05 | Virtual | yeah found it :)) |
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| 23:23.23 | BadMan | welp, wifes home, time to goto dinner... hopefully they got beer where ever she is taking me...... |
| 23:23.25 | BadMan | l8r |
| 23:23.27 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 23:23.29 | StupidMop | deadcat: so that means it's there, but not configured to work? |
| 23:23.50 | deadcat | StupidMop: damn . nice |
| 23:23.50 | deadcat | StupidMop: ya. just do sudo dhclient ethX |
| 23:23.50 | deadcat | StupidMop: thats nice hehe |
| 23:23.57 | madclicker | anyone running ITE8212 controler? |
| 23:23.58 | deadcat | streuner_: thats nice (= |
| 23:24.01 | raven | Well, first off. after installing xfree it seems to default to botting to the graphical boot in, which I dislike. I've checked the inittab, and editing that doesn't seem to be the answer to that problem. anyone know where the relevant config file can be found? |
| 23:24.18 | jethro | !tell raven -about nodm |
| 23:25.04 | streuner_ | deadcat: yeah, i thought that you like that one, specially on the right side :-P |
| 23:25.30 | deadcat | raven: if you dont like a dm, dont install it. use x-windows-system-core, i think it doesnt have xdm |
| 23:25.41 | StupidMop | deadcat: dhclient eth0 worked! What did that do? do i have to do that each time? |
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| 23:26.07 | deadcat | streuner_: nah. gkrelmm sucks. and the brush metal theme is OK... |
| 23:26.35 | streuner_ | deadcat: its easier |
| 23:26.37 | deadcat | StupidMop: that picks up an ip from your dhcp server, if you dont want to run that everytime. you can man 5 interfaces |
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| 23:27.03 | streuner_ | deadcat: you have a bunch of plugin already handy without to have anything to edit |
| 23:27.14 | streuner_ | s/plugin/plugins/ |
| 23:27.44 | deadcat | streuner_: ya. but i preffer wm applets over gkrellm. |
| 23:27.48 | raven | ok, thanks. Will try that. |
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| 23:27.59 | deadcat | Grant: whats your problem? |
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| 23:28.10 | jcurry | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.14 | cafuego | deadcat: Bot, perhaps. |
| 23:28.26 | deadcat | ah. |
| 23:28.36 | jcurry | when i try to acess my usb key with konqueror's media:/ none of the files show up, and the loading spinner keeps spinning, even though the mount directory is populated...what is wrong? konq from the command line says: kio (KDirWatch): WARNING: KDirWatch::removeDir can't handle '/usbkey' |
| 23:28.39 | cafuego | deadcat: if not, sunday. |
| 23:28.41 | StupidMop | deadcat: i type ping yahoo.com and it can't find it. my laptop is connectd to a router. How can i get my laptop to see the net? |
| 23:28.43 | FieldySnuts | @lart jcurry (make up your mind) |
| 23:28.44 | deadcat | cafuego: hahaha |
| 23:28.45 | Ragan | just made dpkg tell him about repeating his questions, made him angry or something |
| 23:29.01 | jcurry | sorry, i don't know where that first question came from |
| 23:29.10 | cafuego | Ragan: it's obviously an idiot. |
| 23:29.14 | jcurry | i certainly didn't type it |
| 23:29.21 | citral | not only bad things happen on sunday. |
| 23:29.26 | deadcat | StupidMop: does "route" give you a gateway? "UG" line, also check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:29.27 | Ragan | cafuego, clearly |
| 23:29.35 | jcurry | my actual question is the second one |
| 23:30.07 | StupidMop | deadcat: no. when i type route, it just has 'headings' but no info |
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| 23:30.44 | deadcat | StupidMop: route -n |
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| 23:31.05 | cafuego | citral: You're right, bad things also happen on other days. |
| 23:32.08 | citral | cafuego: you're pessimistic. If that word exists in english. |
| 23:32.33 | StupidMop | deadcat: the UG line has 0.0.0.0 for destination and my router ip for the gateway |
| 23:32.56 | cafuego | citral: It exsists. And no, I'm an optimist. but also a realist ;-) |
| 23:33.21 | citral | cafuego: my child is born today, a sunday. So sunday ROCKS :))) |
| 23:33.26 | deadcat | StupidMop: that sesms ok. ping 147.144.1.2, if that works. your /etc/resolv.conf is not setup |
| 23:33.42 | cafuego | citral: I won't upset you with my view on children and human breeding. Congrats :-) |
| 23:33.45 | deadcat | citral: and you're on irc? (= |
| 23:34.01 | StupidMop | deadcat: yes that ping worked. so how do i set up /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 23:34.04 | citral | Mon Apr 11 01:33:59 CEST 2005 |
| 23:34.10 | chealer | citral: see deadcat's comment |
| 23:34.18 | citral | my girlfriend sleeps for long now. |
| 23:34.27 | citral | I can't |
| 23:34.37 | deadcat | citral: teach them while they're young i guess (= |
| 23:34.48 | shingouz | someone kick citral off the channel, he has other things to do today ;) (congratulations :) |
| 23:34.55 | citral | heh |
| 23:35.00 | FieldySnuts | yeah whattyoudoin on irc heh |
| 23:35.11 | deadcat | StupidMop: echo "nameserver 147.144.1.250" > /etc/resolv.conf, but you have to setup your dhcp server to have a dns server |
| 23:35.23 | directhex | !dachs citral |
| 23:35.24 | dpkg | citral: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 23:35.36 | citral | I just relax. was a hard day. drink a beer, relax, irc. sounds correct. |
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| 23:36.12 | citral | my girlfriend is in hospital, but there was no place for me there. |
| 23:36.22 | StupidMop | deadcat: i don't have/need a dns or dhcp server. I can hardcode an ip address if that would be easier |
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| 23:36.49 | StupidMop | deadcat: my router might be acting as a dhcp server |
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| 23:37.21 | deadcat | StupidMop: ya. so setup your router to give you a dns server when it assign you the ip/gateway. |
| 23:38.34 | jcurry | when i try to acess my usb key with konqueror's media:/ none of the files show up, and the loading spinner keeps spinning, even though the mount directory is populated...what is wrong? konq from the command line says: kio (KDirWatch): WARNING: KDirWatch::removeDir can't handle '/usbkey' |
| 23:38.43 | kingsley_ | Where can one find a royalty free picture of a penguin to put on a Live CD? |
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| 23:39.19 | deadcat | jcurry: try not to use konq then. just mount it yourself. |
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| 23:39.31 | StupidMop | deadcat: should i still do that echo nameserver... line from before? |
| 23:39.40 | deadcat | kingsley_: its GPL. so use any |
| 23:39.45 | netdur | hey, "deb-src" get me package's source code? |
| 23:39.52 | Gumby | anyone know why my fonts look much larger when I start kde from a console as user as oposed to when I start a kde session through kdm? |
| 23:40.00 | citral | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.00 | deadcat | StupidMop: no, if your router is assigning one |
| 23:40.13 | jcurry | deadcat, konq mounts it fine, it just doesn't display it...this is an issue with 'konq doesn't display mounted media with media:/', not i can't get the files on my mounted media |
| 23:40.33 | chealer | kingsley_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguin |
| 23:40.56 | citral | !lart netgear routers for being the last crap |
| 23:41.00 | Azar | what? I try to get a HOWTO from backports.org and I get [13:28]<@shreck[]> nobse:leg wenigstens die Seite an :-) |
| 23:41.16 | deadcat | Gumby: startx -- -dpi 75, or 100 |
| 23:41.35 | citral | It won't forward ftp properly, this utterly shit |
| 23:41.52 | abrotman | netdur: that is the source line .. yes |
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| 23:42.05 | Gumby | deadcat: any idea how to define that so when I login to kde through kdm it chooses one of the other? I have both dpi fonts in my xorg.conf |
| 23:42.09 | cafuego | citral: forward ports 20 and 21 and don't do passive ftp. |
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| 23:42.20 | Gumby | maybe just try commenting out the one I dont want? |
| 23:42.20 | netdur | abrotman, thank you :) |
| 23:42.28 | xam | citral: people actually buy netgear routers? |
| 23:42.33 | deadcat | jcurry: you want a penguin or tux? |
| 23:42.33 | citral | cafuego: I'll try that. |
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| 23:42.41 | citral | xam: I did. my bad. |
| 23:42.42 | abrotman | xam: as opposed to? |
| 23:42.48 | theine | hi, how can I find out how much memory the kernel (including all loaded modules) consumes? |
| 23:42.52 | jcurry | deadcat, i'm sorry? you mean, kingsley_? |
| 23:43.02 | deadcat | jcurry: ah. hehe |
| 23:43.43 | StupidMop | deadcat: okay. can you explain that again? what do i have to do with dns? |
| 23:44.00 | netdur | abrotman, ah... so it's okay to remove it |
| 23:44.17 | abrotman | netdur: yes .. if you don't plan on recompiling any packages .. it's ok to remove it |
| 23:44.21 | xam | abrotman: if you have money, I'd stick to baynetworks/cisco ... 3com sometimes is not too bad if you want to save money, but I've experienced not consistent quality |
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| 23:44.36 | deadcat | StupidMop: make your router/dhcpserver to assign a dns server when assigning ip to your machines. |
| 23:44.37 | abrotman | xam: for home? |
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| 23:44.48 | xam | abrotman: yeah, cicso here at home |
| 23:44.52 | simonrvn | theine: top is an approximate showing. free is better for overall use, and ps can show you it too, in more detail |
| 23:44.54 | abrotman | xam: are you a network guy? |
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| 23:45.08 | cafuego | theine: actual mem minus total mem as reported by 'free'. |
| 23:45.22 | xam | abrotman: well, I'm interested in networking stuff, my research area is grid/cluster computing |
| 23:45.24 | theine | thanks guys |
| 23:45.25 | StupidMop | deadcat: i don't think i have a dns server |
| 23:45.25 | kingsley_ | deadcat: tux |
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| 23:46.17 | cafuego | theine: probably around 12Mb |
| 23:46.17 | abrotman | xam: i don't think i'd buy cisco for home .. unless i had a lot of stuff at home .. those little dlink/linksys/netgear ones are fine in most cases |
| 23:46.17 | deadcat | kingsley_: you can use any tux. its GPL |
| 23:46.17 | abrotman | xam: or i was messing with it for fun :) |
| 23:46.17 | ignatz | abrotman , linksys is cisco basically :p |
| 23:46.23 | abrotman | ignatz: cisco bought linksys |
| 23:46.27 | kingsley_ | deadcat: How can one tell that tux is GPL'd? |
| 23:46.32 | deadcat | StupidMop: what kind of router? even my crappy dlink can |
| 23:46.37 | cafuego | ignatz: Not really. it's the even-shitter consumer arm |
| 23:46.38 | abrotman | ignatz: but i mean one of those little crappy routers they sell |
| 23:46.45 | deadcat | kingsley_: if the thing is sitting down and smiling (= |
| 23:46.54 | StupidMop | deadcat: it's a LinkSys router attached to my linksys cable modem |
| 23:47.03 | xam | abrotman: there is some really cheap 2nd hand cisco stuff on ebay, worth every penny |
| 23:47.21 | abrotman | xam: yeah .. if you want to learn that stuff .. but not just to do normal crap at home .. IMO aynways |
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| 23:47.39 | deadcat | StupidMop: then if you use it's ip itself to be the nameserver for /etc/resolv.conf should work. just config your router and look for that option |
| 23:48.05 | abrotman | xam: that said .. i've been looking to buy one .. to mess with :) |
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| 23:48.32 | StupidMop | deadcat: okay. in my router setup it has three DNS ip addressses |
| 23:48.33 | xam | abrotman: cisco also produces (managed) switches, you don't *have* to learn that with them |
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| 23:48.46 | abrotman | xam: i know |
| 23:48.47 | xam | that=that much |
| 23:48.47 | citral | xam: my god. If I had a little bit more than 30 Euros to put in a router I'd buy a dual xenon and make it my router. I wouldn't even think of a cisco. |
| 23:48.58 | deadcat | StupidMop: ya. try to use automatic dns, if that doesnt work you can use 147.144.1.250 |
| 23:49.14 | Kerr | I have an ace archive that unace complains about; file compressed with unknown method. Any idea what i can do to open the file ? |
| 23:49.26 | abrotman | citral: you're missing the point .. real world uses real routers ... not always .. but the majority do |
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| 23:49.46 | cafuego | Why would you waste money and generate heat by running a 400Watt PC as router? |
| 23:49.51 | citral | abrotman: I never pretended to be the real world :) |
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| 23:50.16 | abrotman | cafuego: have stock in the local power company? |
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| 23:50.33 | StupidMop | deadman: okay. so i have a dns ip from the router setup page. So where do i put it? in resolv.conf ? how? |
| 23:50.35 | xam | citral: I'm sure your dual xenon has redundant power supplies, is guaranteed to handle the full bandwith and run 365d/year, with less power consumption? |
| 23:50.40 | deadcat | cafuego: ya. i dont know why people have an oldass pc just tobe a fucking router when they can just get a cheap dlink or something. |
| 23:50.52 | citral | because I'd run a *bsd on it and learn, tweak, crash, everything I like :) |
| 23:50.59 | abrotman | deadcat: i have one that is a pppd router .. is that a good enough reason? |
| 23:51.03 | xam | citral: okay ;) |
| 23:51.03 | deadcat | abrotman: thats fucked up (= |
| 23:51.12 | cafuego | abrotman: Not really, no. |
| 23:51.16 | abrotman | deadcat: hey .. i already had the ISA modem and the 486 |
| 23:51.27 | deadcat | abrotman: so you have stock in your local power company? |
| 23:51.41 | abrotman | deadcat: no .. i'm in the killzone if it blows :) |
| 23:51.48 | citral | the point on power is right, even if I never cared about that. |
| 23:51.51 | deadcat | abrotman: HAHAHAHAH |
| 23:51.58 | abrotman | deadcat: now i have a dlink one with broadband .. |
| 23:52.11 | mario_bros | hi guys. who could suggest me a good and easy dvd rip that runs without problems under debian? |
| 23:52.34 | citral | because I don't pay the bill probab^H^H^H for sure |
| 23:52.37 | deadcat | to save engergy, i use my desktop AS my server. |
| 23:52.38 | xam | citral: mind you, even rather small cisco routers consume about 100watts |
| 23:52.49 | abrotman | deadcat: http://www.exeloncorp.com/generation/nuclear/gn_limerick.shtml ... about a mile from my place :) |
| 23:52.57 | LandSlide | has anyone installed debian on a dell poweredge 750? |
| 23:53.04 | LandSlide | i can't seem to get the network working for a netinst. |
| 23:53.07 | abrotman | LandSlide: what's the real problem ? |
| 23:53.11 | citral | not even the people who did |
| 23:53.21 | deadcat | abrotman: hehe. killzone |
| 23:53.29 | ignatz | landslide theres special debian images out |
| 23:53.41 | abrotman | deadcat: after 9/11/2001 .. they were handing out the pills for radiation sickness :) |
| 23:53.49 | deadcat | damn |
| 23:53.50 | abrotman | LandSlide: why doesn't it work? |
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| 23:54.02 | cafuego | Special images are needed becasue Dell tends to insist on modifying already shit hardware, so it won't work with standard drivers anymore. |
| 23:54.07 | pi | can anyone here give me a hand with courier-imap? |
| 23:54.15 | pi | I can't get it to authenticate correctly.. |
| 23:54.18 | ignatz | the onboard network cards are quite ok :p |
| 23:54.21 | abrotman | #courier ? |
| 23:54.22 | pi | I need it to auth against the shadow file, |
| 23:54.25 | ignatz | mostly broadcom and nowadays intel pro 100/1000 |
| 23:54.28 | pi | nah.. no ones there. |
| 23:54.32 | abrotman | pi: it should do that by default |
| 23:54.40 | abrotman | pi: that doesn't make this the right place to ask |
| 23:54.41 | abrotman | !piav |
| 23:54.41 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 23:54.42 | pi | abortman, nope.. can't get it to work. |
| 23:54.46 | cafuego | nearly as crap as HP/Compaq SMART raid |
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| 23:54.54 | pi | I am waiting! =) |
| 23:54.56 | LandSlide | ignatz: i'm using http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=3431 |
| 23:55.00 | ignatz | yeh the raidcontrollers are shit |
| 23:55.02 | ignatz | :p |
| 23:55.04 | abrotman | ignatz: you mean the non free broadcom shit? |
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| 23:55.22 | green_earz | mario_bros: have a look at using dd or dvdbackup |
| 23:55.25 | abrotman | LandSlide: what about it doesn't work? ... we're not mind readers |
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| 23:55.44 | LandSlide | the raid controller is working fine, i've initialised and mounted the container fine... unfortunately the network drivers included in that module don't seem to work. |
| 23:56.05 | abrotman | yay dell .. maybe someday they'll make stuff that works |
| 23:56.08 | ignatz | do they show in lspci |
| 23:56.12 | abrotman | LandSlide: did you check the matt domsch page? |
| 23:56.12 | StupidMop | deadman: okay. so i have a dns ip from the router setup page. So where do i put it? in resolv.conf ? how? |
| 23:56.14 | LandSlide | lemme check... |
| 23:56.28 | abrotman | http://www.domsch.com/linux/ |
| 23:56.31 | abrotman | LandSlide: ^^ |
| 23:56.56 | deadcat | cafuego: how did you upgrade your ubuntu? |
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| 23:57.42 | xam | abrotman: the funny thing is they did the same (issuing pills against radiation sickness) to all irish homes. Now they don't want to admit that is was wasted money and pretent it was actually useful, even going so far as to discuss reissuing new pills since the 'use before' date expires soon |
| 23:57.55 | abrotman | LandSlide: and will this be an external server? |
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| 23:58.08 | citral | cafuego: what about the pasv_address option? Default: (none - the address is taken from the incoming connected socket) that is probably the problem. |
| 23:58.11 | ignatz | LandSlide you could aswell try the newest sarge iso |
| 23:58.12 | abrotman | xam: heh .. that's just dumb |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | ignatz: not for an external box |
| 23:58.22 | xam | abrotman: that's Eire for you |
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| 23:58.38 | LandSlide | abrot: checking now. |
| 23:58.43 | ignatz | why not abrot |
| 23:58.51 | abrotman | ignatz: no security fixes yet? |
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| 23:58.54 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 23:58.54 | dpkg | well, testing security issues is http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
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| 23:59.25 | onemanarmy | hello everyone |
| 23:59.32 | LandSlide | with the boot-floppy installer (which i have on a cd), i can't seem to run lspci... i don't think it's included... |
| 23:59.40 | abrotman | LandSlide: will this be an external server? |
