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| 00:00.21 | scarynetworkguy | And Sid does *not* get security upgrades no matter what anybody might tell you. |
| 00:00.34 | LandSlide | abrotman: no internal. it's our software development box. |
| 00:00.43 | LandSlide | runs mantis, cvs repository, website etc... |
| 00:00.49 | abrotman | LandSlide: you could try sarge instead ? |
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| 00:00.59 | LandSlide | well i run sarge on the current machine... |
| 00:01.27 | LandSlide | yeah, so do I need to download 600 meg of iso for that? |
| 00:01.32 | abrotman | no |
| 00:01.34 | abrotman | !d-i LandSlide |
| 00:01.35 | dpkg | LandSlide, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:01.53 | ignatz | abrot most of that stuff belongs to desktop systems |
| 00:01.53 | LandSlide | ok |
| 00:02.07 | ignatz | dont see any reason to run mozilla on a webserver for example |
| 00:02.20 | Guerin | um |
| 00:02.21 | Guerin | hellno |
| 00:02.40 | LandSlide | ok abrotman, i'll let you know how it goes... |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | ignatz: right .. like wu-ftpd ? and php? and mysql |
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| 00:03.11 | goodtod | what is the package I apt-get to install openssh? |
| 00:03.14 | ignatz | not running wu-ftpd |
| 00:03.19 | abrotman | ignatz: since he said it's gonna run mantis .. and iirc .. mantis runs on mysql and php |
| 00:03.19 | deadcat | goodtod: ssh |
| 00:03.21 | ignatz | and php/mysql self compiled cause of intel icc |
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| 00:03.22 | abrotman | goodtod: ssh |
| 00:03.31 | Hyde | Hi, im trying to install my printer, its a Lexmark Z53, and i get through cups but it simply doesn't work, i click print and cups acts like it printed but it doesnt, im not 100% sure im using the right port, is there anyway to check |
| 00:03.31 | ignatz | most ppl compile php themselves |
| 00:03.35 | abrotman | ignatz: that's your pergotive ... still a security issue |
| 00:03.35 | goodtod | deadcat and abrotman: thanks |
| 00:03.40 | Rucas | how can i clear ALL files cached in apt? |
| 00:03.46 | Guerin | ignatz: most people are idiots |
| 00:03.51 | abrotman | Rucas: apt-get clean |
| 00:04.00 | Rucas | thanks |
| 00:04.36 | Hyde | i've tried foomatic also with /dev/lp0/ as the port but same with that, nothing happens |
| 00:04.51 | ignatz | Guerin agreed but just cause some standard packages have security issues doesnt render a complete distribution useless |
| 00:05.13 | abrotman | ignatz: like windows? |
| 00:05.30 | ignatz | can be secured aswell |
| 00:05.39 | abrotman | right .. turn it off |
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| 00:05.47 | Guerin | hah |
| 00:05.55 | Guerin | put it behind a NAT box |
| 00:06.03 | abrotman | and don't use the internet :) |
| 00:06.05 | Guerin | and don't allow anyone to use it |
| 00:06.09 | Guerin | yeah |
| 00:06.14 | ignatz | well then you prolly have no clue how to secure it |
| 00:06.14 | ignatz | heh |
| 00:06.15 | Guerin | that would work for most cases |
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| 00:06.33 | Hyde | any... suggestions? |
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| 00:06.46 | abrotman | ignatz: nothing is secure .. as soon as you attach it to the internet .. or give someone physical access .. it's a liability |
| 00:06.53 | genix_ | What should I enable when I configure the kernel (.config) to have the possibility to make fat32 fs (mkfs)? |
| 00:06.55 | _ominae | is xorg included in debian or does it only use xfree86 by default |
| 00:07.00 | ignatz | 100% security doesnt exist thats for sure |
| 00:07.03 | abrotman | _ominae: /topic |
| 00:07.06 | ignatz | but theres a difference between an audited system |
| 00:07.18 | abrotman | yay .. Groundhog Day!!! |
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| 00:07.24 | ignatz | and a audited system |
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| 00:07.39 | citral | root attack |
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| 00:07.41 | ignatz | unaudited even |
| 00:07.41 | ignatz | heh |
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| 00:08.56 | genix_ | How do I configure .config so my kernel can write fat32 (mkfs)? |
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| 00:09.22 | LinuxNIT | hey guys i was here yseterday and somone told me acommand that was like lynx -dump somthingehere that would give your ipaddres anyone know what it ? |
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| 00:09.45 | abrotman | LinuxNIT: ifconfig -a |
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| 00:09.49 | Trev_ | ifconfig |
| 00:09.55 | citral | LinuxNIT: /usr/share/irssi/scripts/dcc_ip.pl |
| 00:10.09 | abrotman | genix_: should be an option for it .. and no .. i don't know what it is .. ask #kernel maybe? |
| 00:10.13 | resiak | genix_: You mean, make a fat32 filesystem? apt-get install msdostools |
| 00:10.34 | resiak | genix_: If you mean write to a fat32 filesystem, ... you enable FAT32 support in the filesystems bit. |
| 00:10.35 | abrotman | genix_: and why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 00:10.37 | citral | # requires: /sbin/ifconfig ;) If you have a router, you need lynx also. |
| 00:10.37 | citral | $cmd = `lynx -dump -nolist http://ipid.shat.net/iponly/`; |
| 00:10.41 | resiak | genix_: But why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 00:10.58 | abrotman | stop copying me! |
| 00:10.59 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:11.03 | resiak | abrotman: Sorry... |
| 00:11.10 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:11.32 | epilido | I was running 2.6.5 kernel deb unstable. I attempted to upgrade the debian way to 2.6.11. had some problems. how do I go back to the 2.6.5 kernel I tried to dpkg -i the old kernel package and uname still gives 2.6.11 |
| 00:11.46 | resiak | epilido: You reboot |
| 00:11.51 | abrotman | tell your bootloader to use the other one? |
| 00:12.11 | genix_ | resiak: I have tried the kernel-image but the nvidia one-liner messed up so I tried to make a custom kernel instead and that works fine |
| 00:12.17 | citral | *flash Info* the kernel you're currently running, is the one you booted with |
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| 00:12.35 | epilido | hmm tried a reboot. and i thought that the dpkg method changed lilo to use the most recently installed package |
| 00:12.45 | resiak | genix_: Define "messed up", and which kernel-image? |
| 00:12.55 | resiak | epilido: You can get a list. I haven't used LILO |
| 00:13.06 | resiak | epilido: ...so I don't know how you get it, but you can get a list on boot. |
| 00:13.24 | abrotman | epilido: it does .. but you should have a choice .. you may have to tell lilo to give you the menu |
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| 00:13.47 | genix_ | resiak: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp, the nvidia one-liner didn't work with X at all |
| 00:13.58 | abrotman | uhm |
| 00:14.06 | abrotman | are the nvidia binary things smp-able ? |
| 00:14.29 | resiak | genix_: Do you have two processors then? That's odd, since k-i-2.6.8-2-686 plays nicely with nvidia |
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| 00:14.51 | genix_ | resiak: I have Hyper threading on a P4 |
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| 00:14.54 | epilido | hmm looking ath /etc/lilo.comf now |
| 00:15.05 | abrotman | does that require the SMP kernel ... i don't think it does |
| 00:15.08 | abrotman | !ht |
| 00:15.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, ht is Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it. |
| 00:15.33 | abrotman | what do i know :) |
| 00:15.35 | citral | CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY :| |
| 00:15.41 | genix_ | abrotman: nice =) |
| 00:16.03 | resiak | genix_: fair enough. |
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| 00:16.35 | genix_ | resiak: thats just for custom kernels anyway, I don't use the nvidia one-liner with that |
| 00:16.52 | resiak | genix_: Hell, I do, and it works... ...but whatever works for you, really. |
| 00:17.06 | LinuxNIT | sorry i meant ny routers ip addres |
| 00:17.08 | resiak | genix_: Did I give you the right answer to your original question, btw? |
| 00:17.15 | abrotman | traceroute ? |
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| 00:18.58 | citral | abrotman: you don't have a homepage, do you? |
| 00:19.06 | ethics | morning |
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| 00:19.29 | genix_ | resiak: abrotman: just wanted to tell you that Solaris don't even use kernels, I think it's a good idea to switch now when Solaris is avalible for PC:s =) |
| 00:19.29 | abrotman | citral: que? |
| 00:19.37 | citral | or is it it's all pete's fault ? :))) |
| 00:19.41 | abrotman | genix_: uhm .. say what? |
| 00:19.45 | abrotman | citral: !iapf |
| 00:19.53 | abrotman | citral: did you google for me? |
| 00:20.00 | citral | abrotman: of course |
| 00:20.05 | abrotman | citral: please god .. don't vote for me |
| 00:20.07 | resiak | genix_: I think you'll find that it does use a kernel. |
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| 00:20.26 | abrotman | eek .. i in an irc log now too |
| 00:20.45 | citral | abrotman: only get forums speaks... no personal website... I must say I'm disapointed. |
| 00:20.54 | abrotman | yes .. of course solaris uses a kernel |
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| 00:21.02 | abrotman | citral: i have more than one ... |
| 00:21.11 | genix_ | resiak: but you don't customize it, it load hardware dynamic |
| 00:21.28 | abrotman | citral: but i do that stuff for my job .. so i don't do much with it at home |
| 00:21.34 | abrotman | well .. part of my job |
| 00:21.53 | abrotman | genix_: you can customize certain parameters of the solaris kernel |
| 00:22.08 | resiak | genix_: Sure, and Linux does the same thing... |
| 00:22.20 | resiak | abrotman: You reply above the emails you quote, you scum. |
| 00:22.27 | abrotman | resiak: que? |
| 00:22.41 | abrotman | resiak: oh .. yes .. or if it's long .. i interweave :) |
| 00:23.09 | resiak | abrotman: Heh. |
| 00:23.22 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 00:23.29 | abrotman | and the soundflavor isn't me |
| 00:23.34 | poonj | is it possible to add a plugin to mozilla to play .wma files? |
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| 00:24.02 | linoleum | sorry, is there a way, with debconf or other command, to configure fetchmail as a daemon ??? |
| 00:24.18 | abrotman | i didn't even know fetchmail could be a daemon |
| 00:24.41 | linoleum | because, I remember that few month ago, with dpkg-reconfigure fetchmail, there was a question about setting fetchmail as a daemon ... |
| 00:24.47 | resiak | poonj: mplayer-plugin |
| 00:24.54 | resiak | poonj: Are you trying to watch pr0n? |
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| 00:24.58 | abrotman | linoleum: dpkg-reconfigure -plow fetchmail ? |
| 00:25.00 | poonj | I wish I was |
| 00:25.09 | poonj | I'm actually trying to watch the highlights of the Masters |
| 00:25.14 | resiak | poonj: I found it insanely irritating, fwiw |
| 00:25.38 | abrotman | poonj: hint : .. they chased a little ball around |
| 00:25.40 | poonj | resiak, is it a package in debian? |
| 00:25.47 | resiak | poonj: (mplayer-plugin, that is.) |
| 00:25.50 | resiak | poonj: It's in marillat. |
| 00:25.53 | resiak | !tell poonj -about marillat |
| 00:26.01 | resiak | poonj: You'll need w32codecs too |
| 00:26.04 | poonj | resiak: I was able to install mplayer |
| 00:26.12 | linoleum | abrotman: no, it does'nt work |
| 00:26.14 | resiak | poonj: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:26.20 | poonj | resiak: sarge |
| 00:26.40 | abrotman | linoleum: i don't think fetchmail can be a daemon .. try reading the man pages and docs .. /usr/share/docs/fetchmail |
| 00:26.52 | linoleum | abrotman: I am sure |
| 00:27.00 | abrotman | then read the docs |
| 00:27.01 | Hyde | !cups |
| 00:27.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 00:27.16 | linoleum | abrotman: fetchmail -d 900 |
| 00:27.24 | citral | abrotman: ... man .fetchmailrc |
| 00:27.30 | abrotman | don't tell me .. |
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| 00:27.43 | abrotman | i don't use fetchmail |
| 00:27.44 | resiak | poonj: Just wondered. If you can install mplayer via apt, you've probably got marillat repos in. apt-get install w32codecs mplayer-plugin |
| 00:27.49 | cafuego | abrotman: Fetchmail can be a nice deaon that fetches mail for up to INT_MAX accounts. |
| 00:27.57 | poonj | okay |
| 00:28.08 | poonj | resiak: I installed the w32codecs |
| 00:28.12 | citral | even if it doesn't work this way... it's supposed to work as daemon in the design |
| 00:28.13 | abrotman | cafuego: i know .. i still don't use it .. oh well |
| 00:28.13 | resiak | poonj: Good for you. |
| 00:28.19 | poonj | resiak: it can't seem to find the mplayer-plugin |
| 00:28.49 | resiak | poonj: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep marillat # Does it show anything? |
| 00:29.07 | poonj | yeah |
| 00:29.12 | resiak | poonj: Hmm. |
| 00:29.13 | poonj | I'm using the unstable sources btw |
| 00:29.16 | ethics | all: as a solaris user i must strongly recommend not using soalris for x86 because its all weird ....CDE also isnt very helpful a gui really |
| 00:29.20 | poonj | should I switch to testing? |
| 00:29.35 | citral | maybe |
| 00:29.38 | resiak | poonj: I'm sorry, it's mozilla-mplayer. But you should have done apt-cache search mplayer by now. |
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| 00:31.44 | etzerd | Hello room |
| 00:31.45 | etzerd | ? |
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| 00:31.51 | etzerd | I need serious help here |
| 00:32.09 | etzerd | since 10:AM this morning I'm trying to install Debian |
| 00:32.15 | Schiz0 | O_o |
| 00:32.30 | Schiz0 | whats the problem etzerd? |
| 00:32.33 | citral | and what time is it now for you? |
| 00:32.33 | etzerd | everytime I finish the installation it start from the console |
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| 00:32.50 | Schiz0 | yeah and? |
| 00:32.50 | prodope | is there a reason the php5 package isn't generally available for unstable? |
| 00:32.51 | etzerd | I do not know what to type to go to a GUI insterface |
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| 00:32.57 | Schiz0 | hahahaha |
| 00:32.58 | prodope | other than at dotdeb? |
| 00:33.01 | Schiz0 | then you shuldn't be using linux. |
| 00:33.11 | citral | c'mon |
| 00:33.13 | Hyde | can anyone at all help me print |
| 00:33.14 | Schiz0 | su to root, and type "apt-get install kde" |
| 00:33.17 | etzerd | I tried everything like "Xfree86. xfreeorg nothing works |
| 00:33.22 | chealer | Schiz0: are you sure? |
| 00:33.33 | chealer | etzerd: what release did you install? |
| 00:33.35 | citral | etzerd: print the FAQ |
| 00:33.36 | etzerd | Is Debian do not support a graphic interface? |
| 00:33.38 | pipeline | etzerd: "apt-get install x-window-system gdm gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 00:33.42 | citral | !tell etzerd about FAQ |
| 00:33.47 | scarynetworkguy | etzerd: Have you asked google? |
| 00:33.51 | linoleum | ok so, how can I set fetchamil to be laucher at the boot ??? |
| 00:33.55 | etzerd | no |
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| 00:34.05 | etzerd | release 3 |
| 00:34.12 | etzerd | I download it last night |
| 00:34.12 | chealer | !di etzerd |
| 00:34.13 | citral | linoleum: what about a cron job? |
| 00:34.16 | chealer | !d-i etzerd |
| 00:34.17 | dpkg | etzerd, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:34.21 | scarynetworkguy | etzerd: Then go read the docs. |
| 00:34.44 | silverton | I need help getting my nforce2 LAN and audio driver working |
| 00:34.54 | silverton | I already have it installed with nvidia's official installer |
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| 00:34.56 | citral | not a valid question |
| 00:35.02 | chealer | etzerd: you should reinstall sarge (3.1, testing) instead of 3.0, which is too old |
| 00:35.12 | silverton | but I can't figure out how to get the lan module working |
| 00:35.19 | silverton | and apparently the audio module won't work with alsa |
| 00:35.22 | chealer | silverton: what's your debian release? |
| 00:35.24 | Schiz0 | hey i'm getting the error 'collect2: ld returned 1 exit status' when i try to make a ftp client, anyone know why? |
| 00:35.26 | silverton | sarge |
| 00:35.27 | etzerd | where do i get sarge? |
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| 00:35.28 | silverton | rc3 |
| 00:35.30 | linoleum | citral: I dont know about it |
| 00:35.32 | chealer | silverton: which kernel? |
| 00:35.32 | prodope | i'm trying to install php5, but i'm getting this error and can't find the package: php5: Depends: libmm11 but it is not installable |
| 00:35.33 | pipeline | !d-i |
| 00:35.33 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 00:35.37 | silverton | 2.8.8-2-k7 |
| 00:35.41 | prodope | anyone know where i can get that? |
| 00:35.46 | linoleum | but I just nned to have fetchmail lauch at the boot |
| 00:35.47 | silverton | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 00:35.50 | silverton | there... |
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| 00:36.07 | chealer | silverton: it's working out of the box for me |
| 00:36.22 | resiak | linoleum: crontab -e as your user, add @reboot fetchmail on its own line. Save, close. |
| 00:36.23 | silverton | :-/ audio and lan? |
| 00:36.27 | chealer | silverton: both |
| 00:36.40 | silverton | hmm...weird... |
| 00:36.49 | chealer | silverton: to use alsa though, you have to install and setup it |
| 00:36.55 | citral | linoleum: cron will run a command periodically, let's say every five minutes |
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| 00:36.56 | silverton | I did |
| 00:37.05 | silverton | I've ran alsaconf but it doesn't find any cards |
| 00:37.06 | chealer | silverton: so you tried alsaconf? |
| 00:37.14 | citral | linoleum: how often you wish |
| 00:37.16 | chealer | silverton: I guess that's a problem |
| 00:37.23 | resiak | linoleum: Set the daemon option in your .fetchmailrc and then add what I said to your crontab. WORKSFORME |
| 00:37.28 | madclicke | is there a way to ghost a drive in debian? |
| 00:37.33 | chealer | silverton: do you have another OS which makes you sure your hardware is OK? |
| 00:37.34 | silverton | chealer, I suppose it would be |
| 00:37.42 | silverton | yes, I just had windows on this box yesterday |
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| 00:37.49 | linoleum | ok, this is really difficult, I heard about some web interface to set up all the system... is it webmin ??? what do you think about that guys? |
| 00:37.52 | pipeline | madclicke: Yes, but I can't remember the name of the tool people like to use. |
| 00:37.57 | resiak | linoleum: BAD. |
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| 00:38.04 | madclicke | bahh |
| 00:38.06 | resiak | linoleum: Setting up the system isn't hard. |
| 00:38.07 | citral | linoleum: EVIL. |
| 00:38.08 | epilido | thanks you all after a little hand editing of lilo.conf I have my old sytem back up thanks again...... |
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| 00:38.15 | resiak | :( |
| 00:38.23 | linoleum | lol :) ok I dont apt-get install webmin then :p |
| 00:38.32 | c01100011 | i completely messed up my sources.list, that i copied from a friend a while back, how do i go about creating my own ? |
| 00:38.44 | *** topic/#debian by caphuso -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | people.debian.org up, some pages missing | DPL election: Overfiend made it |
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| 00:38.50 | chealer | WAH! |
| 00:38.55 | citral | linoleum: no, you read man cron instead, or google for a simple tutorial, there is probably a cron howto |
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| 00:39.13 | silverton | chealer, wait a second, maybe this isn't rc3... |
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| 00:39.31 | chealer | silverton: you're talking about your nvidia integrated sound, right? |
| 00:39.34 | silverton | chealer, I did get this netinst ISO quite awhile back, maybe four months |
| 00:39.36 | silverton | chealer, yes |
| 00:39.39 | maher | brandon is our leader?! |
| 00:39.41 | silverton | and the integrated lan |
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| 00:39.56 | ethics | <c01100011>: dselect has a setu thingy in it |
| 00:40.09 | maher | c01100011: try apt-setup |
| 00:40.10 | caphuso | http://master.debian.org/~srivasta/leader2005_results.txt |
| 00:40.10 | Azar | I have upgraded to sarge and now I cannot use irssi- nor install it E: Unmet dependencies |
| 00:40.15 | ethics | <c01100011>: just run dselect and choose the sources section |
| 00:40.35 | chealer | silverton: I had problems getting ALSA to work with my soundcard several monthes ago. d-i RC3 was release 2005-03-23 IIRC |
| 00:40.35 | abrotman | maher: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00013.html |
| 00:40.37 | madclicker | is there a linux utiltity for copying partitions from drive 2 drive? |
| 00:40.40 | caspercba | i wanna update my woody system to sid, but i dunno how to do it. |
| 00:40.50 | citral | madclicker: dd |
| 00:40.51 | abrotman | caspercba: then don't . |
| 00:40.54 | ethics | madclicker: rsync or dd id guess |
| 00:41.00 | chealer | !tell caspercba about iyhtays |
| 00:41.00 | silverton | chealer, how did you get it to work out of the box then? |
| 00:41.03 | Azar | how do I go back to woody without a new reinstall? |
| 00:41.15 | citral | Azar: you don't. pita. |
| 00:41.27 | Azar | so I have to reinstall |
| 00:41.30 | madclicker | cirtal: would it work like ghost? |
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| 00:41.35 | chealer | silverton: I installed in december. and it doesn't use ALSA by default, it uses OSS |
| 00:41.44 | ethics | madclicker: nope more like xcopy |
| 00:41.58 | chealer | Azar: if you really think you want woody, yes |
| 00:41.59 | ethics | madclicker: ghost does handle EFS |
| 00:42.04 | silverton | chealer, how do I have it use alsa instead then? |
| 00:42.08 | caspercba | abrotman: please, tell me. Myu idea was to change sources.list so it looks for files in the unstable directory |
| 00:42.17 | caspercba | abrotman: please, tell me. Myu idea was to change sources.list so it looks for files in the unstable directory |
| 00:42.22 | Azar | chealer, sarge upgrade messed up all package dependencies |
| 00:42.22 | madclicker | cirtal: :( i need to mirror a drive with 3 operating systems |
| 00:42.37 | Azar | I cannot use irssi or other programs anymore |
| 00:42.44 | chealer | silverton: just install it which AFAIK should work, but maybe you should first check why OSS isn't working |
| 00:43.00 | Azar | it gives me errors related to perl 5.6.1 |
| 00:43.01 | silverton | chealer, well, that's the thing, I have audio, |
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| 00:43.02 | caspercba | abrotman: Should i change my sources.list file from stable to unstable |
| 00:43.03 | mwilson | caspercba: Can you lose the lame text effects? |
| 00:43.10 | abrotman | caspercba: why do you want sarge? |
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| 00:43.14 | abrotman | err sid |
| 00:43.15 | chealer | Azar: that's pretty bad. hopefully you know a bug that caused that? |
| 00:43.16 | silverton | chealer, but it works in totem video playter, but not rhythmbox |
| 00:43.29 | citral | Azar: what the fuck did you do? you must apt-get upgrade after changing your sources, and apt-get dist-upgrade. always worked here. |
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| 00:43.45 | Azar | chealer just by switching to "testing" and update/upgrade, I got this mess |
| 00:43.54 | chealer | silverton: aha...that's already better. so you're using gnome? |
| 00:43.59 | bignose | it's in: Branden won the election |
| 00:44.00 | silverton | chealer, yes |
| 00:44.08 | abrotman | bignose: /topic |
| 00:44.12 | caspercba | abrotman: cos woody is too old. I can't find a lot of software i used to use like xmule, amsn, etc |
| 00:44.13 | citral | apt-get upgrade vs dist-upgrade uh |
| 00:44.22 | bignose | it's in: bignose didn't read the topic :-) |
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| 00:44.30 | abrotman | !tell caspercba about woody->sarge |
| 00:44.31 | Azar | citral, the last thing I did after update/upgrade was dist-upgrade |
| 00:44.37 | Azar | it installed lots of stuff |
| 00:44.43 | chealer | silverton: can you try do diagnose what other apps are problematic? |
| 00:44.44 | Azar | half hour installations |
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| 00:44.57 | silverton | chealer, nothing that I know of |
| 00:45.02 | citral | Azar: you DON'T run apt-get upgrade at all |
| 00:45.03 | silverton | chealer, well, I don't get sounds in gaim |
| 00:45.16 | silverton | chealer, other then that, I haven't opened anything else that makes noise |
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| 00:45.26 | pipeline | silverton: gaim does weird things with the sound. |
| 00:45.32 | silverton | chealer, nevermind, xchat doesn't beep when ever someone says my name |
| 00:45.36 | ethics | silvewrton: no sound in gaim....sounds like a blessing to me |
| 00:45.36 | caspercba | abrotman: thanks man, i know i bodering here, so thank you |
| 00:45.43 | Azar | citral, I did apt-get -f install and doing the dist-upgrade again |
| 00:45.49 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:45.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:45.50 | silverton | ethics, lol, true that, |
| 00:46.02 | dob | hi, are there any way to generate an executable from a bash script ? |
| 00:46.02 | citral | Azar: didn't help? |
| 00:46.03 | silverton | ethics, but I do like to know when I get that initial IM |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | dob: chmod a+x doesn't work fro you? |
| 00:46.25 | ethics | silverton: your far to social.... |
| 00:46.33 | Azar | citral, it seems to fix itself :) |
| 00:46.33 | silverton | ethics, I'm sorry, I'll stop... |
| 00:46.35 | dob | abrotman: i mean a binary |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | dob: write it in C ? |
| 00:46.49 | citral | Azar: alright. |
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| 00:47.04 | dob | a simple bash script, like in perl that there is perlcc that generates executable |
| 00:47.09 | maher | dob: chmod a+x :) |
| 00:47.12 | shadow98 | how do i reconfigure x? I installed a new monitor and need to reconfigure |
| 00:47.14 | abrotman | dob: #bash |
| 00:47.19 | dob | ok |
| 00:47.20 | abrotman | maher: he wants to compile it :) |
| 00:47.23 | chealer | !drxx shadow98 |
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| 00:47.24 | dpkg | shadow98: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 00:47.29 | KirbyMeister | shadow98: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root |
| 00:47.31 | maher | abrotman: i was making a joke |
| 00:47.35 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:47.45 | shadow98 | thanks |
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| 00:47.50 | bbrazil | dob: there is some tool to obfuscate a bash script into C code |
| 00:47.52 | D13GU__ | hi all |
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| 00:48.12 | chealer | silverton: I'm sorry but I don't know about sound in gnome. in lspci do you have 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) ? |
| 00:48.47 | silverton | chealer, no, but I have this: 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 008a (rev a1) |
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| 00:48.55 | Azar | thanks :) |
| 00:49.01 | madclicker | anyone here has sound working for CMedia 9880 onboard? |
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| 00:49.46 | silverton | :( almost all of my nvidia stuff is unknown... |
| 00:49.58 | silverton | well, technically, it all is |
| 00:50.05 | Azar | I wonder what I did wrong so I can learn from that, when I change the sources.list to "testing" I do apt-get update/upgrade or directly apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:50.22 | chealer | silverton: I hope the NVIDIA's drivers installation didn't fuck up your system :S |
| 00:50.22 | silverton | azar, when you change your sources.list you apt-get update |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | Azar: apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:50.28 | silverton | chealer, me too!! |
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| 00:50.34 | ledestin | madclicker: I have some a Genius card with CMedia chip working |
| 00:50.43 | Azar | thank you guys |
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| 00:50.47 | abrotman | Azar: but .. i htink the upgrade is kind of broken with apt-get .. so they say to use aptitude |
| 00:50.50 | madclicker | is there a way to reasign modules to diffrent interfaces? |
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| 00:51.01 | abrotman | ifrename ? |
| 00:51.05 | chealer | silverton: otherwise, if nobody else has a clue what's wrong, I suggest you try google... :| |
| 00:51.15 | madclicker | ledestin: its an intel 925x chipset with hd audio |
| 00:51.19 | maher | madclicker: ifrename? |
| 00:51.19 | Azar | abrotman so it would be :aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 00:51.22 | silverton | chealer, I have, then I found lists.debian.org, so I came here |
| 00:51.25 | abrotman | Azar: i htink |
| 00:51.29 | madclicker | maher: intrfaces |
| 00:51.33 | silverton | chealer, I found nothing on google, except for people having the same issues |
| 00:51.33 | abrotman | Azar: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 00:51.42 | Azar | ok |
| 00:51.52 | maher | madclicker: ? what sort of interface |
| 00:52.02 | ledestin | madclicker: well, can't help you here, except that I use ALSA and it works, even digital output |
| 00:52.20 | madclicker | maher: would it change letsay intel to realtek and vise versa, eth0 eth1? |
| 00:52.43 | shadow98 | how do i stop appletalk services from starting? |
| 00:52.43 | toresbe | hmm |
| 00:52.43 | madclicker | ledestin: i installed alsa but no cigar |
| 00:52.51 | abrotman | shadow98: uninstall it ? |
| 00:52.55 | maher | madclicker: you don't want to change the names of the modules, youwantto change the names of the interfaces i assume |
| 00:52.57 | toresbe | my disks are running at 50 degrees centigrade... is that too much? |
| 00:53.04 | ethics | shadow98: apt-get remove netatalk |
| 00:53.15 | madclicker | maher: yes |
| 00:53.16 | shadow98 | ethics thanks |
| 00:53.17 | abrotman | toresbe: check the operating specs at the manufs website |
| 00:53.22 | ethics | shadow or disable it in rcconf |
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| 00:53.26 | toresbe | abrotman: but, in general? |
| 00:53.32 | maher | madclicker: that is what ifrename is for |
| 00:53.37 | abrotman | toresbe: really .. depends on the drive |
| 00:53.38 | toresbe | abrotman: are those kinds of temps bad for your disks? |
| 00:53.44 | toresbe | abrotman: okay... |
| 00:53.50 | nSe | what does .so files do? |
| 00:53.52 | toresbe | abrotman: thx2k |
| 00:53.59 | toresbe | nSe: .Something or Other |
| 00:54.11 | toresbe | nSe: it's a library, the Linux version of DLL, basically |
| 00:54.42 | madclicker | maher: i looked in all files for module to intreface assignment but cant find it, on mandrake or RH it is in /etc/modules.conf or for 2.6 /etc/modprobe.conf.....in debian, well lets just say not |
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| 00:55.41 | madclicker | maher: i'll try "ifrename" would be nice to know wich file it is recorded in |
| 00:55.50 | chealer | silverton: anyway, if you find what's the problem, feel free to tell me |
| 00:55.58 | silverton | :-/ |
| 00:56.03 | maher | madclicker: ifrename is a program - install it |
| 00:56.06 | silverton | I think..I'm going to reinstall... :-/ |
| 00:56.14 | madclicker | maher: roger |
| 00:56.21 | nSe | toresbe: thank you. plugins can be a .so file? |
| 00:56.31 | toresbe | nSe: yeah |
| 00:56.36 | silverton | oh, I have a problem, I downloaded the most recent debian sarge netinst, burnt it to cd |
| 00:56.36 | toresbe | nSe: yeah, I guess* |
| 00:56.47 | silverton | and when it was going through the initial install, it told me to insert the correct CD |
| 00:56.56 | silverton | well, burnt it a cd-rw actually |
| 00:57.00 | madclicker | debian is a Bit** for a newbie to work on :) |
| 00:57.26 | ethics | madclicker: not really just means the person actually has an idea of what they are doing |
| 00:57.41 | shadow98 | madclicker: its a lot easier than it used to be.. |
| 00:57.49 | toresbe | madclicker: yeah, I concider Ubuntu to be the Debian for Beginners distro |
| 00:57.49 | maher | madclicker: somethings are just different from redhat |
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| 00:57.54 | madclicker | shadow98: G1 |
| 00:57.54 | toresbe | madclicker: and it basically is, really |
| 00:58.05 | shadow98 | madclicker: i have come to love debian now...have removed redhat from everything |
| 00:58.07 | Guerin | toresbe: bah, prosyletise elsewhere |
| 00:58.09 | silverton | I tried to get ubuntu to install on my system, but it wouldn't |
| 00:58.15 | Guerin | toresbe: it fucking is not, and you know it |
| 00:58.25 | toresbe | Guerin: I think it is |
| 00:58.32 | Guerin | toresbe: you think wrong |
| 00:58.42 | toresbe | Guerin: that's a very confident statement |
| 00:58.42 | Guerin | toresbe: don't make me knoppixsmite you |
| 00:58.57 | toresbe | Guerin: Are you arguing that it is Debian-Derived? |
| 00:58.57 | madclicker | shadow98: i dont doubt it , it is sweet when you make peace with it :) |
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| 00:59.07 | toresbe | Guerin: are you arguing that it's easier for newbies? |
| 00:59.14 | Guerin | toresbe: i'm arguing that it's not debian. |
| 00:59.22 | nSe | madclicker: sorry, english is not my native language, what do you mean by Bit** ? |
| 00:59.26 | shadow98 | madeclicker: the one thing i love the most is apt-get |
| 00:59.32 | toresbe | Guerin: I never said it was |
| 00:59.36 | Guerin | toresbe: so don't say it's debian for newbies: sarge is debian for newbies. ubuntu is ubuntu for anyone. |
| 00:59.59 | toresbe | Guerin: I said "I concider it to be the Debian for beginners" |
| 01:00.05 | toresbe | and that's a quite true statement |
| 01:00.08 | Guerin | toresbe: you consider wrong. |
| 01:00.08 | madclicker | shadow98: apt-get and i've been prommised stability :) |
| 01:00.22 | toresbe | Guerin: that's an arrogant statement. |
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| 01:00.35 | mwilson | Since when is Sarge "Debian for Newbies"? |
| 01:00.37 | Guerin | toresbe: i consider badgers to be big friendly kittens |
| 01:00.38 | madclicker | nSe: nice lady ***ch, go figure |
| 01:00.41 | Guerin | that don't make it so |
| 01:00.47 | shadow98 | Guerin: i agree with toresbe... |
| 01:00.50 | caspercba | can i upgrade my system using apt-get dis-upgrade, and no using aptitude |
| 01:00.50 | Guerin | madclicker: you can swear on-channel |
| 01:00.56 | Guerin | shadow98: that makes you wrong, too. |
| 01:00.59 | mwilson | Ubuntu is Linux for the clueless. |
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| 01:01.20 | madclicker | Guerin: me , i didnt say a word of bad :( |
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| 01:01.33 | Guerin | mwilson: it's for newbies in preference to woody or sid. |
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| 01:01.52 | nSe | madclicker: i can't understant what you mean, let's forget that. :) |
| 01:02.03 | toresbe | mwilson: shut the fuck up, I'm sick of you constantly yapping on about your stupid belief that anyone who hasn't been running at least 10 Debian machines since Potato are clueless retards. |
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| 01:02.17 | Guerin | ordy |
| 01:02.19 | madclicker | nSe: aight my homie |
| 01:02.20 | Guerin | +l |
| 01:02.30 | mwilson | toresbe: If you can point to a single instance where I've claimed anything even remotely similar, I'd be very surprised. |
| 01:02.35 | c01100011 | what repository do i need to add to get gnome2 ? |
| 01:02.44 | Guerin | c01100011: what version of debian? |
| 01:03.09 | c01100011 | sid |
| 01:03.12 | toresbe | mwilson: That isn't too difficult. If it were up to me (and I know several people who have said the same thing) you would be permbanned. |
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| 01:03.27 | JeffWilson12 | Is there any newer version of SSH available for 'SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4'? a friend of mine tells me that p1 has a few different vulnerabilities that make a box possible to root.... |
| 01:03.52 | mwilson | toresbe: Just one where I claim that length of time means anything at all will do. |
| 01:04.06 | Guerin | JeffWilson12: unless they're very new, they've likely been fixed |
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| 01:04.13 | toresbe | mwilson: You know perfectly well what I'm talking about |
| 01:04.24 | chealer | JeffWilson12: that debianized p1 looks quite patched |
| 01:04.28 | Guerin | toresbe: good thing you're not #debian's dictator for life, then |
| 01:04.34 | mwilson | toresbe: Meaning you don't have any examples. |
| 01:04.34 | JeffWilson12 | chealer: alright...thank you. |
| 01:04.35 | maher | JeffWilson12: packages.debian.org says what versions are available - I'm not aware of any outstanding ssh expoits... |
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| 01:04.42 | toresbe | mwilson: Anyone who comes in here, new to this distro, and asks a completely reasonable question, you call them idiots and cluebies |
| 01:04.47 | Guerin | toresbe: since you spend as much time in here whining about conduct and pimping ubuntu as anything else |
| 01:05.00 | mwilson | toresbe: Wrong again. |
| 01:05.07 | chealer | JeffWilson12: you can look in the changelog to be sure it was addressed |
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| 01:05.31 | JeffWilson12 | chealer: I don't *know* what the holes were ... he didn't elaborate =( |
| 01:05.42 | maher | JeffWilson12: maybe your friend was wrong |
| 01:05.51 | toresbe | 16:46 < mwilson> valdyn: Like Joe Moron is really going to be able to figure that out. |
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| 01:05.57 | madclicker | hey guys, currentley my system is loading module "ata_piix" but i cant see which file is teling the kernel to load it, any clue??? |
| 01:06.00 | Azar | ... friends asking me why in heavens I chose debian which seems so hard for a beginner: well because I love asking in #debian for clues :) |
| 01:06.06 | chealer | yeah, I suppose that OpenSSH is quite solid :) |
| 01:06.07 | JeffWilson12 | maher: that's always a possibility ;) but he's pretty skilled in server administration. |
| 01:06.12 | toresbe | 9:55 < mwilson> Chrissy2k5: Oh, please lose the moron-speak, huh? |
| 01:06.20 | toresbe | 17:32 < mwilson> |XO2|: You prefer to speak like a moron? |
| 01:06.26 | c01100011 | what repository do i need to add to get gnome2 for sid ? |
| 01:06.32 | JeffWilson12 | why are we pasting convos here?... |
| 01:06.37 | chealer | c01100011: none |
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| 01:06.42 | Guerin | toresbe: egrepping mwilson and moron isn't helping |
| 01:06.43 | mwilson | toresbe: Context is missing... more than a little bit there. |
| 01:06.46 | toresbe | JeffWilson12: mwilson asked me to post examples of him calling newbies morons |
| 01:06.50 | chealer | c01100011: an official debian mirror, if any |
| 01:06.58 | toresbe | mwilson: yes, but the case remains, you should be helpful, not mean |
| 01:07.00 | Guerin | no, he didn't |
| 01:07.03 | JeffWilson12 | toresbe: hmm...this is where I don't get involved. |
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| 01:07.17 | Azar | toresbe, I am a newbie and nobody here called me moron, so cut it |
| 01:07.30 | toresbe | Azar: mwilson does, most people here are helpful |
| 01:07.37 | JeffWilson12 | Azar: well...I *used8 to be a newbie ... nobody said anything to me then either ;) |
| 01:07.47 | Azar | toresbe , mwilson calls morons.... morons |
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| 01:07.55 | toresbe | Azar: no, he calls newbies morons. |
| 01:07.57 | mwilson | toresbe: The first is a discussion between valdyn and I, regarding a particular configuration item. Who was the moron, there? |
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| 01:08.06 | toresbe | mwilson: you. |
| 01:08.09 | Azar | toresbe, no he calls trolls .. trolls and morons.. morons |
| 01:08.20 | JeffWilson12 | boy, some people REALLY take advantage of channels that don't have an op around huh? |
| 01:08.21 | Azar | cut the attack |
| 01:08.21 | toresbe | mwilson: you have problems tolerating even the slightest stupidity in a user |
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| 01:08.27 | Guerin | ffs |
| 01:08.27 | toresbe | Azar: he's the one attacking |
| 01:08.31 | Guerin | toresbe: stop trolling |
| 01:08.35 | mwilson | toresbe: I am? |
| 01:08.36 | Azar | toresbe, enough please |
| 01:09.05 | toresbe | allright, this is off topic |
| 01:09.11 | Guerin | moreso than usual |
| 01:09.18 | maher | JeffWilson12: if you don't know what the exploits are we can't verify they are fixed |
| 01:09.20 | toresbe | I'm sorry, but I get more than a little pissed off by mwilson and his constant abuse. |
| 01:09.26 | mwilson | Aw. |
| 01:09.43 | maher | toresbe: use the power of /ignore |
| 01:09.44 | dvs | there is always /ignore |
| 01:09.49 | toresbe | heh |
| 01:09.49 | tazle | I wonder why I can't change the ownership of a directory to certain groups |
| 01:09.55 | JeffWilson12 | maher: yeah, true.... |
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| 01:10.03 | toresbe | well, that doesn't help the poor sucker being harrased by mwilson |
| 01:10.05 | mwilson | Insisting that people actually read is *such* abuse. |
| 01:10.05 | JeffWilson12 | tazle: are you root?.. |
| 01:10.23 | tazle | JeffWilson12: no, but I own the directory, and I'm part of the group I'm trying to change ownership to |
| 01:10.28 | tazle | JeffWilson12: also, it works for some groups |
| 01:10.44 | c01100011 | while on the topic of moronic users asking stupid questions apt-get install gnome says i have the newest version, but i don't |
| 01:10.51 | c01100011 | what should i do ? |
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| 01:11.01 | JeffWilson12 | tazle: might be a permission problem, but Im not sure that you can 100% change ownership when not root ... I never can .... but im not configured to doso. |
| 01:11.04 | son | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.07 | mwilson | c01100011: What makes you think you don't have the latest version? |
| 01:11.07 | Guerin | c01100011: you have the latest version in your chosen sources |
| 01:11.24 | tazle | JeffWilson12: I'm only trying to change the group ownership |
| 01:11.33 | Guerin | c01100011: if you'd answer my question, someone might be able to suggest how to get a more recent version |
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| 01:11.37 | c01100011 | i am in sid and hasn't upgraded in the past week |
| 01:11.43 | JeffWilson12 | tazle: you can't do that unless you are part of the group you are trying to change from and to iirc. |
| 01:11.51 | dvs | c01100011: It could be your mirror |
| 01:11.52 | mwilson | c01100011: Then you have Gnome 2.8.something, the latest packaged version. |
| 01:11.57 | toresbe | < a friend>I've seen it several times. Look at what's happening with spldart who is new, trying to be self deprecating to fit in, and mwilson just blasts away. He doesn't have even a basic level of social skills, or respect for other people |
| 01:12.01 | maher | c01100011: check your versions against pdo then check your mirror |
| 01:12.03 | tazle | JeffWilson12: yes, both of those conditions match, yet it still only works for some groups |
| 01:12.13 | toresbe | <friend> I personally think mwilson should be permanently banned |
| 01:12.14 | c01100011 | how do i check my version ? |
| 01:12.27 | dvs | c01100011: dpkg -L gnome |
| 01:12.28 | toresbe | I didn't ask him for permission, that's why I'm blanking out his nick |
| 01:12.29 | tazle | I thought there was a pattern with NIS/local groups, but it disappeared |
| 01:12.29 | JeffWilson12 | tazle: heh..maybe someone smarter than be can answer.. |
| 01:12.40 | chealer | c01100011: why do you run sid? |
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| 01:13.00 | c01100011 | chealer- i am trying to learn debian and figure the more it breaks the more ilearn |
| 01:13.05 | JeffWilson12 | toresbe: I personally think toresbe should be permanently banned. :P..or atleast de-voiced ;) |
| 01:13.09 | Guerin | !ops toresbe is trolling and pasting |
| 01:13.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: toresbe is trolling and pasting |
| 01:13.13 | Guerin | sstill |
| 01:13.37 | toresbe | Guerin: He asked me to supply examples, I did. Deal. |
| 01:13.44 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 01:13.56 | JeffWilson12 | toresbe: use a pastebin to provide examples, then. |
| 01:14.04 | JeffWilson12 | you're floodign the channel with worthless shit. |
| 01:14.12 | caphuso | indeed |
| 01:14.17 | toresbe | JeffWilson12: so are you right now, and so am I right now. |
| 01:14.21 | Guerin | http://ihatemwilson.com is free |
| 01:14.25 | JeffWilson12 | and don't forget, that costs irc.freenode.net money |
| 01:14.27 | toresbe | I'll stop, and I apologize. Just strikes a nerve. |
| 01:14.28 | xam | JeffWilson12, caphuso: as if it matter at this time of day |
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| 01:14.49 | mentor | TBH, that looks just about reasonable for a paste... |
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| 01:15.07 | toresbe | mentor: yeah, didn't flood or anything |
| 01:15.12 | syntaxis | ~ops |
| 01:15.13 | apt | Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your problem. |
| 01:15.35 | Tester | I finally got cups installed for my lexmark z53 and it works! only thing is its really slow now, like a line a second, is there anyway to fix that? |
| 01:15.36 | helix | moron |
| 01:15.55 | JeffWilson12 | Tester: doesn't it depend on your printer speed?... |
| 01:16.01 | caphuso | helix needs to be banned!!1! |
| 01:16.03 | mwilson | And how it's interfaced. |
| 01:16.09 | Tester | is that a settings? |
| 01:16.16 | chealer | c01100011: way to learn about broken stuff! |
| 01:16.27 | syntaxis | whoops, sorry |
| 01:16.28 | shingouz | i do not think the lexmark is a fast printer anyways |
| 01:16.31 | helix | being banned would rule |
| 01:16.36 | Tester | but its faster than that |
| 01:16.39 | helix | then I wouldn't have to look in here everytime a spambot showed up |
| 01:16.45 | d0uglas | when a box gets hammered slashdot style or gets ddos packets, and it either crashes or otherwise goes offline, would it still be awake enough for the program watchdog to execute a rebooting? |
| 01:17.10 | shingouz | Tester: what are you trying to print? some huge graphics file? they are slow especially if you use all the possible colors and pixels you can find |
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| 01:17.49 | Tester | hmm, it might of been graphics, i was going to wait to test it before installing new ink carts, lol thanks |
| 01:18.07 | xam | d0uglas: depends. if you have a hardware watchdog, like in many of the recent intel mainboards, then definitely |
| 01:18.13 | asuffield | helix needs to be tied up and spanked |
| 01:18.21 | helix | are you offering? |
| 01:18.29 | asuffield | any time |
| 01:18.34 | dvs | asuffield: #debian-s&m |
| 01:18.46 | d0uglas | xam: well i aint got that kind of board .. how much would a card run me? |
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| 01:19.48 | c01100011 | what do i do with the output of dpkg -L gnome to figure out what version of gnome i have ? |
| 01:20.00 | dvs | c01100011: dpkg -l gnome |
| 01:20.04 | Cyis | anyone think of any possible configuration change to allow the firewall to not interfere with packets going to the broadcast (x.x.x.255) or network (x.x.x.0) addresses? |
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| 01:20.27 | mwilson | Cyis: www.netfilter.org |
| 01:20.31 | Cyis | iptables log shows the packets coming "IN=eth1" but no out |
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| 01:20.42 | mike8901 | http://tinyurl.com/4na8z |
| 01:20.42 | JeffWilson12 | Cyis: allow all traffic from x.x.x.255 x.x.x.0 ? |
| 01:20.50 | ethics | cyis forward the packets to broadcast? |
| 01:20.54 | Cyis | only on the local internal LAN network |
| 01:21.01 | c01100011 | i have gnome version 64, now what ! ? |
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| 01:21.18 | Cyis | Trying to get my TiVo DVR to connect with the workstation using the TiVo Desktop |
| 01:21.29 | mwilson | c01100011: What is the latest version of Gnome? |
| 01:21.53 | Cyis | but seems the DVR sends out discovery packets to dest x.x.x.0 and the TiVo Desktop on the workstation sends out discovery packets to x.x.x.255 |
| 01:21.58 | xam | d0uglas: the 'watchdog' programme actually just writes every minute to a special file in /dev. If the kernel realises that the file hasn't been written to in over a minute (ie. the watchdog programme died), it will reboot. If you just have a software watchdog kernel driver (ie. I do NOT mean the watchdog programme) then your kernel could crash and not reboot ... a watchdog card is usually... |
| 01:21.59 | bbrazil | Cyis: those packets shouldn't come back out (if the broadcast address is that of the subnet) |
| 01:22.00 | xam | ...not very expensive, $20 or so |
| 01:23.08 | Cyis | bbrazil: something is interferring with the discovery and that's what I'm trying to figure out |
| 01:23.21 | bbrazil | Cyis: you could do some dnat, but be VERY VERY careful or you'll cause a broadcast storm |
| 01:23.22 | Cyis | I've been doing packet sniffing as well as setting up rules to log the packets |
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| 01:24.09 | xam | d0ouglas: the price is for a (2nd hand) card on eBay though. 'professional' card can cost over $100 |
| 01:24.16 | d0uglas | xam: well i apt-got watchdog, edited its conf file to ping the router as one of its criterion, and said yes to having it load on boot .. but i guess that means it's not compiled in the kernel and the situation could be better |
| 01:24.33 | TrancE | anyone here can help me with a java problem? |
| 01:24.42 | c01100011 | i can not find any information on gnome version 64, is it possible that i got a version with a bad # from a repository ? |
| 01:24.44 | d0uglas | ... in instances of kernel panics |
| 01:25.01 | mwilson | c01100011: No. |
| 01:25.27 | bbrazil | Cyis: with a rule on the source mac it could be safe though, but different broadcast addresses == bad |
| 01:25.58 | dvs | c01100011: What does [dpkg -l | grep "^ii *gnome"] say (without the square brackets)? |
| 01:26.00 | TrancE | anyone?!?! |
| 01:26.11 | dvs | TrancE: that's not a question. |
| 01:26.24 | linoleum | how can I set my user "linoleum" to be the postmaster , with exim4 ?? |
| 01:26.36 | caphuso | linoleum: /etc/aliases |
| 01:26.46 | TrancE | err...i got a simple java question...dont know if this is the right channel..but if anyone can help..let me know..thanks |
| 01:26.53 | anselm_ | TrancE, what is your ? |
| 01:27.00 | linoleum | caphuso: tkx a lot mate |
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| 01:27.55 | mwilson | TrancE: How would anyone know if they can help you, if you don't actually ask the question? |
| 01:28.03 | c01100011 | Dvs- most gnome packages aree version 2.8.2-3 but gnome gnome-desktop and gnome-office are version 64 |
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| 01:28.09 | madclicker | hey guys, currentley my system is loading module "ata_piix" but i cant see which file is teling the kernel to load it, any clue??? |
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| 01:28.39 | TrancE | its a long question...just a simple problem solving question..im learnin java..im a newbie |
| 01:28.41 | dvs | c01100011: my gnome-desktop comes back 2.8.3-2 but I'm on sarge |
| 01:28.42 | xam | d0uglas: as I said, watchdog consists of two parts, a watchdog programme (apt-get install watchdog) and the appropriate kernel driver (eg. either software watchdog or a hardware watchdog card driver). I'd expect that the debian kernel has the all watchdog drivers (including software watchdog) compiled into the default kernel as a module |
| 01:28.50 | mentor | TrancE: ##java perhaps? |
| 01:29.21 | c01100011 | is there a way to force install a specific version from a specific force? |
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| 01:29.48 | c01100011 | i think i may have gotten an off version from an unoficial source |
| 01:29.59 | d0uglas | ok thanks |
| 01:30.41 | tazle | ARGH |
| 01:30.45 | shingouz | c01100011: you do not get stuff off unofficial sources unless you have something odd going on with your sources.list |
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| 01:31.42 | DuckTales | If a process is running as root, is there a way to switch it...to a regular user...without turning off the process? |
| 01:31.56 | c01100011 | shingouz- i got the sources.list from a friend, i just made a new one from apt-setup |
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| 01:32.44 | shingouz | c01100011: did the old version have a lot of unofficial sources in it then? |
| 01:33.04 | DaCa | DuckTales: yes, but it has to be done from within the program itself |
| 01:33.06 | caphuso | DuckTales: if the process doesn't have builtin support for that, no |
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| 01:33.08 | resiak | c01100011: How did you install Debian? |
| 01:33.09 | c01100011 | shingouz i am unsure |
| 01:33.17 | c01100011 | sarge disk |
| 01:33.19 | DuckTales | DaCa / caphuso it's X |
| 01:33.24 | c01100011 | netinstall |
| 01:33.27 | DuckTales | Can I make it so the regular user is running X? |
| 01:33.36 | DuckTales | Right now root is running it. |
| 01:33.48 | caphuso | DuckTales: no, you can't |
| 01:33.57 | shingouz | c01100011: did you even read the sources.list before you started using it |
| 01:33.58 | DuckTales | I can't open any new windows. |
| 01:34.00 | resiak | DuckTales: What's the big deal? Everyone runs X as root. |
| 01:34.01 | StupidMop | i have a printer attached to a Win2000 box. and a laptop running debian on the same lan. Would it be hard to print to the tpinter |
| 01:34.02 | DuckTales | Says can't find display. |
| 01:34.07 | DuckTales | But somehow xchat is open..and firefox |
| 01:34.09 | spldart | If somebody doesn't mind helping. I have an older machine that I just installed debian sargent on. I opted apache2, x windows, thttpd and bzflag on it also... Well the power blinked and now it wont start xserver. I get the error "I cannot start the Xserver (your graphical interface) blay blah blah. I did a dpkg reconfigure but it rebooted to the same message. |
| 01:34.18 | DuckTales | For some weird reason root took permissions on the process X |
| 01:34.20 | DaCa | DuckTales: X is a security risk anyway :) |
| 01:34.23 | resiak | spldart: Did you even read the "blah blah blah"? |
| 01:34.32 | spldart | i can type it out for you |
| 01:34.37 | d0uglas | what's a good apache traffic shaping/throttling module? or a standalone, for that matter? |
| 01:34.41 | dvs | spldart: Use paster |
| 01:34.50 | dvs | !paster |
| 01:34.50 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
| 01:34.51 | spldart | it is likely that is is not se up correctly. would you like to view the x server output to diagonose the problem |
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| 01:35.12 | spldart | I'm on a windows machine talking to you now |
| 01:35.36 | resiak | spldart: View the output, look for a line starting with (EE) and report. |
| 01:35.42 | spldart | ok |
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| 01:36.30 | genix_ | When do I really need to run testing instead of stable sources for Sarge except "tasksel install desktop"? |
| 01:36.31 | spldart | Ok... No EE message was given in the subsequent blue gray screens. It now says it will disable x server |
| 01:37.07 | c01100011 | should i just remove and reinstall gnome ? |
| 01:37.09 | spldart | want me to log into root? |
| 01:37.17 | spldart | or user |
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| 01:37.42 | resiak | !tell spldart -about enter |
| 01:38.04 | genix_ | Can I use stable sources in sources.list for Sarge (after I have installed the Desktop Enviroment)? |
| 01:38.18 | resiak | genix_: No. |
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| 01:38.36 | spldart | Do tell about enter. |
| 01:38.39 | resiak | spldart: I have to sleep now, I'm afraid. Did you scroll down the errors? Look in ~/.xsession-errors for the (EE) line -- there will be one. |
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| 01:38.45 | resiak | spldart: dpkg has just /msgd you. |
| 01:38.46 | genix_ | resiak: I have done it before, why? |
| 01:38.59 | johnga1t | is there a set of switches for ls that will allow me to get recursive listing of full pathnames of files under a subdirectory? |
| 01:39.06 | resiak | genix_: Because Sarge's packages are about 2 years newer than Woody's. |
| 01:39.13 | resiak | johnga1t: man ls |
| 01:39.15 | spldart | I know he did. |
| 01:39.17 | dvs | johanski: ls -lR |
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| 01:40.02 | kyncani | hi, i'm looking at apt_preferences and something is bothering me. If i have a package installed from stable (priority 700) and some update is available from testing (let's say priority 300). Is it correct that apt-get dist-upgrade keep the old version, as it has priority 700 ? |
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| 01:40.14 | johnga1t | dvs: but that gives me path and then relative filname |
| 01:40.25 | johnga1t | dvs: i'd like to get it all on one line |
| 01:40.28 | dvs | johanski: Oh sorry. |
| 01:40.40 | User_123 | hey all im looking for Microsoft support chat room can any one help me find one ?? |
| 01:40.40 | genix_ | resiak: ok, but I installed irssi as stable and that worked fine, should I just use testing source to get newer packages or is there another reason? |
| 01:40.41 | johnga1t | resiak : i know ls -R, but i want full path on one line |
| 01:40.45 | spldart | Wow. You guys really have sand in your vagina's. The knoppix people are far more friendly... And helpful. |
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| 01:41.07 | resiak | !bobbitt |
| 01:41.07 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
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| 01:41.12 | resiak | genix_: ^^ stuff like that. |
| 01:41.23 | genix_ | resiak: ok |
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| 01:41.33 | johnga1t | dvs : any idea how to accomplish that? |
| 01:41.40 | dvs | johanski: nope |
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| 01:41.53 | dvs | johnga1t: No idea without a program |
| 01:42.02 | johnga1t | dvs : cool. thanks. |
| 01:42.09 | resiak | genix_: Do you understand the Stable/Testing/Unstable division? |
| 01:42.29 | dvs | johnga1t: sorry. |
| 01:42.34 | genix_ | resiak: a bit |
| 01:43.12 | johnga1t | anyone know how to get a recusive listing of directories only with full pathnames on each line? |
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| 01:43.29 | resiak | johnga1t: find perhaps. |
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| 01:44.04 | johnga1t | resiak : mmm. good idear. i play. |
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| 01:44.26 | resiak | johnga1t: I could do it with File::Find and Perl, but that's overkill, so. Oh, and you have remembered that filenames (and hence directory names) can contain newlines? |
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| 01:45.00 | johnga1t | resiak : hmmm ... i'll probably let the newlines slide. |
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| 01:45.18 | nix000 | is there a way i can save the kernel (2.4.30) logs ? the machine dies with a kernel panic and i would like to see what is going on. |
| 01:45.21 | johnga1t | resiak : i think a find | to sed to strip filenames | to uniq might do the trick |
| 01:45.50 | resiak | johnga1t: You can make find pick only dirs. |
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| 01:46.02 | johnga1t | resiak : awesome. i read manpage. |
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| 01:46.09 | kyncani | nix000: logs in /var/log/messages don't do it ? |
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| 01:46.52 | resiak | johnga1t: -type . Also read the -print bit. |
| 01:46.56 | Quinn_Storm | hey, I know oss/linux is against the dfsg (and I don't like having to use it) but its the only way I can get my EnsoniqVIVO to work. anyway, the question I have is, b/c it somehow sees the wrong version magic, it rebuilds its module every time I run soundon. is there a way to fix this behaviour? other than that it works fine |
| 01:46.58 | c01100011 | i am still unsure what to do, dpkg -l gnome says i have gnome version 64 and apt-get install gnome says i have the newest version, i may have gotten the current version of gnome from an unofficial source, should i remove and reinstall gnome from a new source? |
| 01:47.05 | resiak | johnga1t: also `info find` |
| 01:47.08 | nix000 | kyncani, its the startup kernel logs. the logs scroll to quick and i cannot see them |
| 01:47.45 | kyncani | nix000: yep, /var/log/messages should do it. Boot knoppix to be able to view them |
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| 01:48.21 | nix000 | kyncani, it cannot even find the fs !! |
| 01:48.46 | kyncani | nix000: you cannot mount your fs from knoppix ? |
| 01:48.54 | johnga1t | resiak : awesome. find . -type d does the trick. thanks. |
| 01:49.05 | resiak | johnga1t: No problem. Enjoy. |
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| 01:49.20 | nix000 | kyncani, the kernel never makes it dont you understand !!! |
| 01:49.45 | kyncani | nix000: your debian kernel cannot, but maybe knoppix kernel will ? |
| 01:50.11 | jharrison | what is the name of the script that you can use to set the global editor |
| 01:50.24 | jharrison | update-alternatives? |
| 01:50.36 | Quinn_Storm | so, anyone know anything about this? |
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| 01:51.12 | nix000 | kyncani, well i am interested in what is going on on the 2.4.30. here. if knoppix passes its of no use. i need to know why 2.4.30 cannot see the fs. i am suspecting a sata issue here. |
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| 01:52.58 | kyncani | nix000: right, if it cannot see the fs, logs cannot find their way to /var/log/messages, so knoppix is no use here ... sorry |
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| 01:54.53 | StupidMop | what's the difference between xterm and aterm ? |
| 01:55.22 | shadow98 | one is an x terminal one is an a terminal...hehehe |
| 01:55.42 | StupidMop | and fuctionwise they are differnt....? |
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| 01:56.10 | Paganist | bash: aterm: command not found <---- one is installed on my comp, not the other one... it's the only i can see so far :P |
| 01:56.36 | DaCa | StupidMop: xterm is the standard one, aterm has a lot more features |
| 01:56.48 | shadow98 | i think a term you can have different backgrounds and stuff..i don't think with xterm you can.. |
| 01:57.00 | shadow98 | xterm = you can't |
| 01:57.12 | badblody | what's the name of the 2ond sound card ? |
| 01:57.15 | badblody | in oss |
| 01:58.01 | StupidMop | DaCa: Thanks! |
| 01:58.10 | shadow98 | StupidMop: http://linuxreviews.org/software/x11-terms/aterm/ |
| 01:58.38 | StupidMop | shadow98: Thanks for that link! i'll bookmark that site! |
| 01:58.47 | dvs | badblody: sound-slot-1 |
| 01:59.14 | badblody | dvs, ? how can i configure it ? |
| 01:59.38 | dvs | badblody: I put my configuration in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa |
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| 01:59.55 | dvs | badblody: but, obviously, I use alsa |
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| 02:00.28 | eduardo | Hi folks.. quick question.. when I do apt-cache search firefox, nothing comes up. I am guessing I don't have sources set up correctly? How do I fix this? Thanks in advance! |
| 02:01.02 | dvs | eduardo: you have to do apt-get update first |
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| 02:01.35 | eduardo | OK doing it now, dvs. How come SOME packages are found by the apt-cache search? |
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| 02:01.56 | dvs | eduardo: probably what's left over before you changed the source. |
| 02:01.58 | eduardo | OK I did the update and still no firefox |
| 02:02.05 | Guerin | eduardo: what version of debian? |
| 02:02.24 | eduardo | Guerin: I don't know :) |
| 02:02.25 | xim | eduardo: what do you have in sources.list update? main? |
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| 02:03.45 | eduardo | xim I have a bunch of different sites in there.... for example I have rutgers.edu main non-free contrib |
| 02:04.08 | dvs | eduardo: What's between the "rutgers" and "main"? |
| 02:04.16 | xim | when you do apt-get update, does things get downloaded from rutgers? |
| 02:04.20 | Guerin | eduardo: woody, table, sarge, testing, sid or unstable? |
| 02:04.25 | xim | do you have error messages? |
| 02:04.26 | Guerin | s/table/stable/ |
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| 02:04.31 | StupidMop | when you do apt-get update it just updates the packages available to download, correct? |
| 02:04.32 | eduardo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.38 | xim | i'm running debian chair |
| 02:04.44 | dvs | eduardo: Stable doesn't have firefox |
| 02:04.57 | Guerin | eduardo: stable does not include firefox, as it was but a twinkle in ben goodger's eye back in july 2002 |
| 02:04.57 | eduardo | Ah... So what do I need? |
| 02:05.09 | dvs | eduardo: at least testing/sarge |
| 02:05.11 | xim | testing, unstable or ubuntu |
| 02:05.21 | Guerin | !tell eduardo about woody->sarge |
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| 02:05.32 | Guerin | xim: prosyletise ubuntu elsewhere, svp |
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| 02:05.47 | Guerin | xim: or maybe you can make a #debian-evangelical channel |
| 02:05.47 | _blue | does anyone know of an app that can encrypt-decrypt files on the fly on multiple platforms that can run of a usb drive? |
| 02:05.59 | xim | Guerin: i don't do proselytism, i just suggest it |
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| 02:06.23 | Guerin | xim: do you suggest red hat in #slackware, too? |
| 02:06.51 | xim | no, but debian in #gentoo once. other peoples agreed ;) |
| 02:08.40 | eduardo | OK so I replaced stable with sarge... I guess stable is a subset of sarge, whatever that means (sorry, coming from Fedora) |
| 02:08.44 | mud | how do i see what version of nforce drivers i have? |
| 02:08.59 | Guerin | !tell eduardo about releases |
| 02:09.05 | eduardo | now apt-cache search segfaults! |
| 02:09.05 | dvs | eduardo: stable is woody which is the previous release |
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| 02:09.15 | dvs | eduardo: apt-get update first! |
| 02:09.20 | eduardo | I did |
| 02:09.23 | nichos | howdy all - i just install beep media player, and when i run "beep-media-player' nothing happens, no output in xterm, anyway to see whats going on? |
| 02:09.32 | Guerin | nichos: strace |
| 02:09.39 | dvs | eduardo: after you edited the sources.list? |
| 02:09.39 | Guerin | eduardo: you did something wrong |
| 02:09.58 | eduardo | Hmm I got this: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 02:10.10 | Guerin | !mmap |
| 02:10.10 | dpkg | well, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 02:10.24 | eduardo | thanks! |
| 02:10.32 | eduardo | I guess these are common issues |
| 02:10.33 | Guerin | the best thing to do is make sure you ONLY have sarge in your sources.list - no stable or anything else |
| 02:11.00 | eduardo | I dont need quotes around APT::Cache-Limit 12582912; right? |
| 02:11.09 | dvs | eduardo: no quotes |
| 02:11.11 | mud | nichos: beep has an irc channel |
| 02:11.20 | nichos | mud irc.chatjunkies.org isnt resolving for me |
| 02:11.21 | _blue | does anyone know of an app that can encrypt-decrypt files on the fly on multiple platforms that can run of a usb drive? |
| 02:11.43 | nichos | mud bitchx is saying address er irc.chatjunkies.org: Address |
| 02:11.58 | Quinn_Storm | so, anyone know why the oss-linux is doing that and perhaps how to fix it? |
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| 02:12.05 | nichos | family not supported by protocol |
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| 02:13.00 | Hackel | General unix admin question--what's the best way to give several people access to certain files? I've created a group and given group rw permission on all the files, but then newly created files are owned by the owner unless they change it manually. Is there any easy way to do this? |
| 02:13.33 | dvs | Hackel: chmod +S to the directory |
| 02:13.34 | bbrazil | Hackel: setgid on the dir |
| 02:13.46 | bbrazil | Hackel: default acls are useful if available |
| 02:14.05 | Hackel | Ah, thank you. :) |
| 02:14.07 | eduardo | Which tool do I use to get a plain list of packages I already have installed? |
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| 02:14.19 | dvs | eduardo: dpkg --get-selections |
| 02:14.28 | caphuso | eduardo: dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections |
| 02:14.46 | eduardo | perfect, thanks |
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| 02:15.26 | eduardo | is apt-get a wrap around dpkg ? |
| 02:15.36 | dvs | eduardo: yes |
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| 02:16.51 | eduardo | ok now dpkg --get-selections repots a package with "deinstall" state. that means its already removed, or I need to do something else? |
| 02:16.58 | LandSlide | is the sarge netinst iso supposed to be bootable? |
| 02:17.06 | dvs | LandSlide: yes |
| 02:17.26 | ethics | LandSlide: yup it is.....but your system has to boot cdrom first |
| 02:17.26 | LandSlide | the one at this page: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:17.38 | LandSlide | yeah it boots another disk fine. |
| 02:17.40 | LandSlide | just not this one... |
| 02:17.53 | ethics | landslide: check the md5 check |
| 02:17.53 | dvs | LandSlide: Did you check the md5sum before you burned it? |
| 02:18.00 | LandSlide | no... |
| 02:18.06 | dvs | ethics: copycat ;-) |
| 02:18.13 | greycat|home | dpkg, dpl =~ s/Michlmayr/Michlmayr, soon to be Branden Robinson/ |
| 02:18.14 | dpkg | greycat|home: OK |
| 02:18.16 | LandSlide | the md5's are not lised on the page. |
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| 02:18.37 | dvs | greycat|home: You're s**ting me!?! |
| 02:18.52 | greycat|home | dvs: you're not subscribed to d-d-a? why not? |
| 02:19.05 | LandSlide | i have a dell-server linux boot from another page and it boots fine.. has boot.cat in the root folder... |
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| 02:19.10 | dvs | greycat|home: no, only d-a |
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| 02:20.13 | LandSlide | i'll just create a floppy ;) |
| 02:20.26 | gsp | I'm having trouble setting up my wireless network card... I went online and found that I needed the acx100 driver... downloaded the acx100-source but now I'm not sure what to do |
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| 02:21.49 | gsp | is anyone out there? |
| 02:22.38 | ruski | gsp: tried installing module-assistant ? |
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| 02:22.56 | Quinn_Storm | found it, CONFIG_LOCALVERSION wasn't set to match the real CONFIG_LOCALVERSION (-1-386) |
| 02:22.57 | ruski | gsp: you need your kernel-headers / sources installed and you basically compile a module for acx100 |
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| 02:23.13 | gsp | I did get module-assistant |
| 02:23.16 | gsp | how do I use it? |
| 02:23.48 | greycat|home | (it's in the /topic too) |
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| 02:24.14 | ruski | run it as root, select update, then select prepare, then select which module you want, then select ok..just go through each menu |
| 02:24.18 | Mik0 | I dont know what i did to my shell, but the only thing i can do is browse through folders of mine, but i cannot read/write/execute anything in my home dir...dunno what went wrong. |
| 02:24.26 | dvs | I never knew who "Overfiend" was. |
| 02:24.36 | dvs | go ahead, pal me |
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| 02:25.37 | nix000 | anyone here using 2.4.30 on dell PE750 ? |
| 02:26.18 | gsp | Is there a quick way to tell what kernel I'm running? |
| 02:26.33 | dvs | gsp: uname -r |
| 02:26.35 | gsp | thanks |
| 02:26.36 | ruski | gsp. cat /proc/version |
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| 02:26.59 | c01100011 | how do i upgrade to gnome2 , i am running sid ? |
| 02:27.02 | ruski | burnt:/home/dhooper# cat /proc/version |
| 02:27.02 | ruski | Linux version 2.6.10-mppe-fbs-acx100.1 (root@burnt) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Mon Mar 28 10:37:45 WST 2005 |
| 02:27.17 | dvs | c01100011: you already have gnome 2 (2.8) |
| 02:27.37 | d0uglas | all of a sudden the root web page of my server is loading up as the apache successful installation page, even though nothing's changed in /var/www/apache2-default/ .. what could be going on? |
| 02:27.57 | c01100011 | dpkg -l gnome says that i have gnome version 64, not 2.8, but most of my other gnome packages are 2.8 |
| 02:27.58 | dpkg | No packages found matching gnome says that i have gnome version 64, not 2.8, but most of my other gnome packages are 2.8 |
| 02:28.17 | dvs | d0uglas: try /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 02:28.58 | d0uglas | ok |
| 02:29.17 | nix000 | i just did a make-kpkg and did not get a single .deb while no errors what does this mean !!! |
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| 02:29.34 | ruski | nix100; did you specify kernel_image ? |
| 02:29.39 | c01100011 | sorry if this a resend but i am not sure if the last message is visible because i started with - dpkg -l gnome says that i have gnome version 64, not 2.8, but most of my other gnome packages are 2.8 |
| 02:29.56 | nix000 | ruski, oops ! |
| 02:30.09 | dvs | c01100011: Both the gnome-office and gnome-desktop-environment packages are meta packages meaning that there are actually no files in them. |
| 02:30.24 | nix000 | ruski, do ihave to redo ? make-kpkg clean ? |
| 02:30.46 | ruski | nix000, no.. should be able to just do make-kpkg kernel-image if your .config is present and configured |
| 02:31.50 | gsp | why is there no kernel headers package for my kernel? |
| 02:32.01 | dvs | gsp: uname -r |
| 02:32.02 | c01100011 | dvs- so those package numbers don't actually matter? ohhhh thank you sooo much, i have asked around for about an hour and couldn't get a good straight answer. so i am all current, thanks so much |
| 02:32.05 | gsp | 2.4.27-1-386 is it |
| 02:32.07 | nix000 | ruski, did not work .. oh well .. iam redoing it now. |
| 02:32.16 | dvs | c01100011: no problem |
| 02:32.18 | nSe | is there any debian app that can connect to gnutella2? |
| 02:32.23 | dvs | gsp: don't guess |
| 02:32.32 | c01100011 | dvs- so i guess i am not looking for the newest 2.8... when do i get the new flashy gnome that i have seen screenshots of from other distros |
| 02:32.34 | gsp | but there is so kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 package |
| 02:32.38 | Quinn_Storm | hey, is there an easy way using xdm or perhaps gdm (or some other program) to have a system be able to choose between a local fluxbox session and a remote XDMCP session? |
| 02:32.41 | dvs | gsp: oh sorry. I thought that was a question |
| 02:32.43 | useruser | nSe: mldonkey I believe |
| 02:32.47 | dvs | gsp: yes |
| 02:32.57 | ethics | nSe: does gift do it? |
| 02:32.58 | gsp | there is a 2.4.27-2-386 package |
| 02:33.01 | dvs | c01100011: after sarge releases |
| 02:33.33 | gsp | sorry... typo there is NO kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 package |
| 02:33.37 | c01100011 | can a time be put on that or is that simmilar to, when the cows come home ( i am new to debian) |
| 02:33.46 | dvs | gsp: I'd install that instead of keeping the 2.4.27-1 package |
| 02:34.02 | dvs | c01100011: not yet. |
| 02:34.04 | gsp | ok... but module-assistant is screaming for the first one |
| 02:34.32 | dvs | gsp: it screems for that one because that's what you have currently installed. |
| 02:34.41 | gsp | no... it says that it's NOT installed |
| 02:34.51 | eduardo | Is there a way to get a list of installed packages on which nothing else depends? |
| 02:35.02 | ethics | gsp: the kernel not the headers |
| 02:35.03 | nSe | useruser, ethics: gift can't yet. mldonkey does! |
| 02:35.06 | dvs | gsp: YOu have the 2.4.27-1 installed but you can't find the 2.4.27-1 headers for it right? |
| 02:35.14 | gsp | that is correct |
| 02:35.21 | ethics | nSe: noted 8) |
| 02:35.28 | Hackel | If I make a directory +s, new files created by a user will retain the group of the parent directory, but not the group-writeable status. Is there a way around this? |
| 02:35.28 | gsp | I installed the -2 ones... but module assistant still won't run |
| 02:35.32 | dvs | gsp: install the 2.4.27-2 and it will screen for the 2.4.27-2 ones |
| 02:35.45 | gsp | I did install that one... |
| 02:36.03 | dvs | gsp: Did you reboot to use the 2.4.27-2 kernel? |
| 02:36.04 | gsp | module assistant still won't take it |
| 02:36.16 | gsp | oh oh... I didn't redo the kernel |
| 02:36.17 | greycat|home | gsp: uname -r |
| 02:36.26 | gsp | I just downloaded the headers package |
| 02:36.30 | ethics | * penny drops* |
| 02:36.32 | greycat|home | Hackel: umask |
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| 02:36.41 | dave_ | hi all |
| 02:36.45 | dvs | gsp: You need the image and run it on the computer |
| 02:36.49 | ethics | howdy Dave_ |
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| 02:37.00 | gsp | now I'm lost |
| 02:37.02 | Hackel | greycat|home: Is there a way to do that for people uploading files via scp/sftp? |
| 02:37.06 | dave_ | anybody know how to set mouse for left hand? |
| 02:37.12 | ruski | Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages |
| 02:37.12 | ruski | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.16 | ruski | anyone seen that before ? |
| 02:37.24 | ruski | when running apt-get update |
| 02:37.25 | greycat|home | Hackel: set the umask to 002 in the sshd rnu script |
| 02:37.27 | greycat|home | run* |
| 02:37.40 | greycat|home | Hackel: also check sshd_config for umask options |
| 02:38.03 | dave_ | anybody know how to set mouse for left hand? I am using gdm and kde 3.4 |
| 02:38.37 | Hackel | greycat|home: So I could add "umask 002" to /etc/init.d/ssh? I don't see a umask setting in sshd_config |
| 02:38.40 | dvs | gsp: the kernel-header must match the kernel-image THAT YOU ARE RUNNING. |
| 02:38.51 | nevyn | dave_: in kde controlcentre go to peripherals -> mouse |
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| 02:39.45 | dave_ | nevyn: i have tried that, but it doesn't work, i think i need change gdm's setting |
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| 02:40.36 | gsp | so how do I run a new image? |
| 02:40.46 | dvs | gsp: Install it and reboot |
| 02:40.59 | gsp | that's it? no recompiling or anything? |
| 02:41.00 | gsp | cool |
| 02:41.11 | greycat|home | kernel-images have already been compiled |
| 02:41.17 | dvs | gsp: precompiled kernels are so easy ;-) |
| 02:41.51 | gsp | wow... I've been away from Linux for too long... I was playing with it about 4 years ago... way more fun now |
| 02:42.19 | liable | dave_: did you log out and back in |
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| 02:43.17 | gsp | alright... so is there a different kernel-image anyone would suggest? |
| 02:43.24 | gsp | since it's so easy now? |
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| 02:43.49 | marco__ | help plz with xmms : |
| 02:43.55 | doug_ | i installed apachetop, the realtime monitor thing, and the root page is now firing up as the original successful installation apache page .. i checked the /etc/apache2/sites-available/default file, the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, the doc dir /var/www/apache2-default/ for my original contents .. everything seems fine, but i'm getting this page! any ideas? |
| 02:44.08 | marco__ | marco@camila:~$ xmms |
| 02:44.08 | marco__ | libesd.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:44.09 | marco__ | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! |
| 02:44.09 | marco__ | marco@camila:~$ |
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| 02:44.30 | greycat|home | marco__: install libesd0 |
| 02:44.35 | marco__ | does nvidia drivers and xmms have problems? |
| 02:44.50 | marco__ | i've already installed it |
| 02:44.57 | marco__ | and the same happens |
| 02:45.06 | greycat|home | marco__: ldd /usr/bin/xmms | grep esd |
| 02:45.21 | greycat|home | oh wait, it's not *really* linked. |
| 02:45.25 | greycat|home | it's one of those dlopen things. |
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| 02:45.44 | greycat|home | anyway, I have a very hard time believing you get libesd.so.0: No such file after installing libesd. |
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| 02:46.46 | dvs | gsp: <gsp> there is a 2.4.27-2-386 package |
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| 02:48.33 | doug_ | what'd be the find options to locate a file that contains certain txt |
| 02:48.45 | greycat|home | grep -r |
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| 02:49.28 | [OGI]-full0shrap | i am attempting to use vnc.. unfortunately it isn't working for me. i apt-get installed vncserver and dependancies, did the vncpasswd and tried to connect to no avial, i can ssh no prob. |
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| 02:50.15 | Quinn_Storm | [OGI]-full0shrap: this might be obvious, but have you made sure you can reach the vnc ports on the host machine? |
| 02:50.35 | [OGI]-full0shrap | reach the vncports |
| 02:50.36 | root`` | umm.. |
| 02:50.46 | backtoheaven | � |
| 02:50.55 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:51.09 | [OGI]-full0shrap | how exactly do i reach ports 5800-5900 |
| 02:51.40 | Quinn_Storm | [OGI]-full0shrap: I just meant that...whatever port vnc is listening on needs to be reachable like the ssh port (22 most likely) is |
| 02:51.42 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: telnet hostname 5800 |
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| 02:52.24 | MrEntropy | yo |
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| 02:52.31 | MrEntropy | what package does libperl come in? |
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| 02:52.39 | [OGI]-full0shrap | no dice |
| 02:52.42 | Gumby | [OGI]-full0shrap: if you have any sort of firewall software you need to open the specfic ports/port range that you'll be using. |
| 02:52.53 | stew | MrEntropy: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:53.01 | dvs | MrEntropy: libperl5.8? |
| 02:53.02 | Gumby | [OGI]-full0shrap: check that the server is even running |
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| 02:53.24 | [OGI]-full0shrap | ping vncserver? |
| 02:53.24 | marco__ | hoew can i make amsn to work with tcl 8.0 |
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| 02:53.27 | doug_ | apache's suddenly loading the successful install page even though the conf file and the default on sites-available and all my content's where it should be .. ideas? |
| 02:53.29 | marco__ | and not 8.4 |
| 02:53.38 | MrEntropy | dvs: that's what i thought...but i have it installed and it's not there |
| 02:53.51 | dvs | MrEntropy: apt-cache search libperl |
| 02:54.39 | Gumby | [OGI]-full0shrap: ps aux |grep vnc |
| 02:54.58 | [OGI]-full0shrap | did that, and i get it running |
| 02:55.23 | Gumby | whats the output |
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| 02:56.21 | MrEntropy | dvs: well...there was libperl.so.5.8 so i just symlinked to libperl.so to satisfy ld...seems to work |
| 02:57.44 | [OGI]-full0shrap | i see it running at the resolution i picked Xrealvnc :1 -desktop X -auth /home/gnulu/.Xauthority -geometry 1900x1200 blah blah |
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| 02:58.34 | [OGI]-full0shrap | no fricken way |
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| 02:58.36 | [OGI]-full0shrap | it was zone alarm |
| 02:59.00 | [OGI]-full0shrap | (busted) sorry guys i 'm vncing through my wifes sexy computer, that she won't let me install linux on..... |
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| 02:59.43 | doug_ | anybody please: apache's suddenly loading the successful install page even though the conf file and the default on sites-available and all my content's where it should be .. ideas? |
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| 03:01.04 | gsp | ok... step 1 complete... I got the driver to compile now how do I get my wireless networking going? or get anything to recognize it? |
| 03:01.06 | starscalling | brb |
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| 03:03.55 | Hackel | Does anyone know how to configure sshd/sftpd to set a umask 002? |
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| 03:04.07 | swatikiss | i am having difficulty recording anything through my line in jack - i can hear the music through my speakers - i just cannot record anything ? |
| 03:04.19 | abrotman | volume up? |
| 03:04.23 | swatikiss | yep |
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| 03:04.32 | nSe | do anybody know if there's a deb package for mldonkey core? it seems that just the GUI for mldonkey is avaliable in testing... |
| 03:04.41 | Guerin | swatikiss: run alsamixer and check the captures are set properly |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | warez suck |
| 03:05.10 | Guerin | swatikiss: you might have to hit f4 or f5 or som4ehitng to get all the levels |
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| 03:05.43 | swatikiss | Guerin, thanks -ill try that |
| 03:07.01 | doug_ | my apache2 server is pointing to some "successful installation" page, not my index.php, as the root .com/ page .. what could have happened? |
| 03:07.30 | doug_ | it still seems to be using the same apache2-default directory for the doc root folder as subdirs work, just not the root unspecified file |
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| 03:08.14 | abrotman | doug_: you messed it up? |
| 03:08.22 | swatikiss | Guerin, hmm, that still isnt producing anything |
| 03:08.22 | abrotman | double check your config |
| 03:08.27 | abrotman | ask #apache |
| 03:08.45 | doug_ | the only thing i can pin it up to is i installed apachetop .. i checked the configs, everything |
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| 03:09.30 | abrotman | doug_: well .. you restarted apache etc i hope .. but really .. double check all your configs |
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| 03:10.41 | nix000 | what can go wrong if i try to run kernel 2.6.10 with woody ? |
| 03:11.05 | abrotman | it will die a horrible death |
| 03:11.06 | abrotman | !bunk 2.6 |
| 03:11.06 | dpkg | i guess bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
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| 03:11.19 | doug_ | yes restarted, checked /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, /etc/apache2/sites-available/default ... nothing. |
| 03:11.32 | abrotman | doug_: then i'd ask #apache ... |
| 03:11.41 | abrotman | doug_: check your logs too |
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| 03:12.12 | doug_ | ok |
| 03:12.13 | rrt | sarge rulez |
| 03:12.31 | doug_ | well since i never changed anything how about i reinstall? |
| 03:12.40 | abrotman | doug_: reinstall what? |
| 03:12.45 | doug_ | apache |
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| 03:12.46 | toukitsune | I am useing Debian Sarge. Today my HD failed and I don't know to software or hardware issues. Anyway I just got my computer running again but there is no sound and other things are wrong. How would I go through the APT list of installed packages and reinstall dammaged packages? |
| 03:12.52 | abrotman | doug_: that's up to you |
| 03:13.04 | doug_ | i'll go to the channel |
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| 03:13.11 | abrotman | toukitsune: install discover |
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| 03:13.23 | abrotman | toukitsune: oh .. wait |
| 03:13.36 | rrt | toukitsume: man it only takes 15 minutes to do a clean install. |
| 03:13.40 | abrotman | toukitsune: your HDD is dead and you did a fresh install ? |
| 03:13.57 | toukitsune | no |
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| 03:14.04 | gsp | if I have a Pentium 3 processor what kernel do I want? 386 or 686? |
| 03:14.07 | abrotman | toukitsune: so your HDD "died" |
| 03:14.10 | toukitsune | I ran fsck and got it running somewhat |
| 03:14.11 | abrotman | gsp: 686 |
| 03:14.19 | abrotman | toukitsune: erm .. ok .. so now it's freaking out? |
| 03:14.21 | toukitsune | Alsa I know is not working |
| 03:14.38 | abrotman | toukitsune: you can try /msg dpkg reinstall .. but i've never tried it |
| 03:14.41 | toukitsune | BC is not working |
| 03:14.44 | Gart_ | how many pkg's does debian have in its database? |
| 03:14.48 | toukitsune | don't know how many more don't work |
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| 03:15.02 | abrotman | Gart_: which versino of debian? |
| 03:15.20 | Gart_ | woody |
| 03:15.20 | [OGI]-full0shrap | thanks for the help, i appreciate it.. truly |
| 03:15.32 | abrotman | !debstats woody |
| 03:15.41 | abrotman | err |
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| 03:15.44 | abrotman | !dstats woody |
| 03:15.55 | Gart_ | How many versions are there besides woody? |
| 03:16.02 | abrotman | Gart_: sarge and sid currently |
| 03:16.11 | Gart_ | ah |
| 03:16.23 | abrotman | debian.org/releases |
| 03:16.30 | Gart_ | thanks |
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| 03:16.37 | abrotman | where did that info go? |
| 03:16.54 | abrotman | !dstats woody |
| 03:16.59 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on woody... 8974 packages, 986 maintainers, 13435 MB installed size, 4305 MB compressed size. |
| 03:17.03 | abrotman | there you go |
| 03:17.17 | nix000 | how could i tell if the stok kernel2.4.30 includes the latest sata patches from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jgarzik/libata/2.4.30-pre3-libata1.patch.bz2 ? |
| 03:17.19 | Gart_ | 8974 packages, nice :P |
| 03:17.29 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 03:17.37 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15407 packages, 1449 maintainers, 28382 MB installed size, 9029 MB compressed size. |
| 03:17.40 | starscalling | ok! |
| 03:17.48 | abrotman | nix000: check the change log i guess .. or ask #kernel |
| 03:17.48 | Gart_ | Holy hell |
| 03:17.54 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 03:17.59 | starscalling | is there a proggie for debian that can tile irc like mirc does? |
| 03:18.02 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16651 packages, 1496 maintainers, 33205 MB installed size, 10676 MB compressed size. |
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| 03:18.34 | nix000 | abrotman, the change logs are confusing ! it looks like some of it is there but i am not sure |
| 03:18.43 | abrotman | nix000: then #kernel |
| 03:18.50 | nix000 | thanks |
| 03:18.52 | abrotman | or email jeff garzik |
| 03:18.55 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on woody... 8974 packages, 986 maintainers, 13435 MB installed size, 4305 MB compressed size. |
| 03:19.06 | abrotman | dpkg: you're slow |
| 03:19.21 | abrotman | uh oh... i think he's dying again |
| 03:19.33 | Gart_ | I can't find any info on sid vs woody, etc on the releases page |
| 03:19.40 | abrotman | Gart_: what do you want to know? |
| 03:19.52 | starscalling | oh yeah, and what about way to get all the winamp channels for xmms: the internet ones |
| 03:20.03 | abrotman | #xmms maybe? |
| 03:20.07 | Gart_ | abrotman: Difference between sid and woody |
| 03:20.17 | abrotman | Gart_: if you're new to debian .. don't use sid |
| 03:20.20 | abrotman | !sid |
| 03:20.20 | dpkg | i guess sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 03:20.50 | abrotman | Gart_: sarge should be ok to use for most people |
| 03:20.50 | Gart_ | ah, just saw it on the page. Too tired, and read right past it--thanks |
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| 03:21.14 | starscalling | abrotman, thanx |
| 03:21.16 | zignig | where do I set the paths that perl check for libs ? |
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| 03:21.26 | starscalling | what about a irc client that i can tile the rooms with? |
| 03:21.34 | starscalling | xchat is soooo crashy >.< |
| 03:21.50 | MobyTurbo | !d-i Gart_ |
| 03:21.50 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 03:21.51 | dpkg | Gart_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:21.56 | zignig | starscalling: channel not 'room' |
| 03:22.00 | zignig | starscalling: irssi |
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| 03:22.05 | starscalling | hmm |
| 03:22.13 | abrotman | starscalling: are you running sid? |
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| 03:22.17 | starscalling | i got the text irssi but i didnt figure out how to tile it |
| 03:22.18 | starscalling | yeah |
| 03:22.34 | abrotman | then don't fucking bitch when shit crashes .. sid isn't for normal people |
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| 03:22.38 | starscalling | nice way to try debian for the first time right? |
| 03:22.39 | starscalling | lol |
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| 03:22.44 | abrotman | not funny |
| 03:22.58 | stew | wheeee |
| 03:23.07 | abrotman | !tell starscalling about search |
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| 03:23.25 | starscalling | its only in one situation: when i detach and reattach a window when things are too active |
| 03:23.37 | abrotman | tell #xchat |
| 03:23.40 | abrotman | or file a bug |
| 03:23.52 | starscalling | o.O |
| 03:23.55 | madclicker | debian on BSD? what is that? |
| 03:23.55 | abrotman | probably file a bug is better |
| 03:23.55 | starscalling | xchat chan huh |
| 03:24.00 | abrotman | !bsd |
| 03:24.01 | dpkg | read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or 00:48 < beta3> BSD stand for Bull Shit Distribution |
| 03:24.04 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 03:24.14 | abrotman | madclicker: there's a website if you google for "debian bsd" |
| 03:24.28 | abrotman | starscalling: better to file a bug if you can recreate it |
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| 03:24.41 | hmart | hi, i have a silly question |
| 03:24.47 | madclicker | abrotman: what is the point? |
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| 03:24.52 | abrotman | madclicker: http://www.nl.debian.org/ports/index.en.html#nonlinux |
| 03:25.04 | abrotman | madclicker: it's debian system on another kernel .. like HURD also is |
| 03:25.08 | hmart | how can update my ubuntu using debian repositories? |
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| 03:25.16 | abrotman | hmart: we don't know .. ask #ubuntu |
| 03:25.38 | stew | hmart: read the apt-howto |
| 03:25.44 | madclicker | abrotman: is it a fork? |
| 03:26.02 | abrotman | madclicker: fork of what? |
| 03:26.06 | stew | madclicker: fork of what? |
| 03:26.12 | stew | lose me |
| 03:26.12 | abrotman | !echo |
| 03:26.12 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
| 03:26.27 | abrotman | it's a spoon! |
| 03:26.32 | stew | there is no spoon |
| 03:26.40 | starscalling | i can certainly recreate it abrotman, ill do that then.. *looks around for my bug report package thing* |
| 03:26.48 | madclicker | abrotman: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, OS-X |
| 03:26.52 | abrotman | !tell starscalling about bts |
| 03:27.03 | hmart | thnx i wil try. bye :) |
| 03:27.04 | abrotman | madclicker: it's just a bsd kernel .. with debian doing the package management |
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| 03:28.14 | madclicker | why not |
| 03:28.20 | abrotman | why not what? |
| 03:28.35 | madclicker | why not debion microsoft |
| 03:28.38 | stew | why not troll? |
| 03:29.11 | abrotman | and you mean debian/NT |
| 03:29.18 | stew | madclicker: read the social contract |
| 03:29.20 | madclicker | yeap |
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| 03:31.12 | madclicker | did hurd made progress ? |
| 03:31.24 | abrotman | ask #hurd |
| 03:31.31 | abrotman | or try .. reading |
| 03:31.45 | madclicker | aight |
| 03:32.09 | nSe | look what i'm gettinA: Yes, MLDonkey is part of Debian Sarge (courtesy of Sylvain LeGall). Just do apt-get install mldonkey-server. |
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| 03:32.28 | starscalling | who is housetier and why am i getting a version? |
| 03:32.28 | starscalling | >< |
| 03:32.29 | starscalling | oh |
| 03:32.38 | usuario | How do I get some 1337 network info posted on my desktop background or something to that effect? |
| 03:32.52 | madclicker | abrotman: i just bumpt into this article on GNUkBSD, i am reading |
| 03:32.53 | abrotman | oh shit .. it's still sunday |
| 03:33.02 | nSe | apt-get install mldonkey-server gives me: E: Package mldonkey-server has no installation candidate |
| 03:33.08 | shingouz | abrotman: it is permasunday here as you know :) |
| 03:33.17 | abrotman | shingouz: this is bad though :) |
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| 03:33.31 | shingouz | yup |
| 03:33.37 | hdkiller | monday here! |
| 03:33.44 | shingouz | could be worse, could be raining... |
| 03:33.52 | hdkiller | it's raining here.. |
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| 03:35.06 | Gokee2 | Hey all when trying to play something in gmplayer I get "alsa-control: unable to find simple control" any idea why this is? I have been having problems with other players too rm`s play very fast and stuff from wine playes fast too |
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| 03:35.37 | shingouz | abrotman: you going to sleep? |
| 03:36.05 | abrotman | yep . i was at a wedding last night .. |
| 03:36.10 | abrotman | i should be much more tired .. oh well |
| 03:36.13 | shingouz | Gokee2: sound works 100% otherwise |
| 03:36.21 | hdkiller | Gokee2, simple and unfriendly answers, go buy sblive, switch back to oss, fix kernel driver.. |
| 03:36.23 | shingouz | you've had enough caffeine i think |
| 03:36.29 | abrotman | nope |
| 03:36.29 | hdkiller | Gokee2, i assume you have something ac97 thingy? |
| 03:36.33 | abrotman | not since about 11am |
| 03:36.48 | hdkiller | hm, im up about 25 hrs.. |
| 03:37.16 | Gokee2 | ac97? |
| 03:37.22 | hdkiller | what sound card do u have? |
| 03:37.29 | Gokee2 | revalution |
| 03:37.32 | Gokee2 | 7.1 |
| 03:37.42 | hdkiller | and what kernel drive do u use for that? |
| 03:38.01 | hdkiller | btw, i don't know that card.. :| i think i can't help |
| 03:38.15 | hdkiller | sometimes ac97 based cards do something like that, and the problem is the sample rate.. |
| 03:38.16 | Gokee2 | ice1724 |
| 03:38.20 | hdkiller | but i don't know how to fix it |
| 03:38.42 | Gokee2 | kernel drive? |
| 03:38.49 | Gokee2 | I am using a stock kernal |
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| 03:39.17 | hdkiller | :| sorry.. |
| 03:39.23 | Gokee2 | :( |
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| 03:39.32 | Gokee2 | been working on it for days |
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| 03:44.10 | kart_ | hi all! |
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| 03:47.39 | _joey | has anyone played with tc and htb qdisc ? |
| 03:48.22 | MickyMouse | Here I Am to "Save the Day!! ' |
| 03:48.24 | hdkiller | yeah, and i loose.. |
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| 03:48.57 | hdkiller | MickyMouse, hi there, That's like Machniae Supremacy's 'Hero' |
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| 03:49.14 | MickyMouse | really? |
| 03:49.24 | hdkiller | yeah.. go and listen it! it's free.. |
| 03:49.31 | hdkiller | btw, sounds funny from a mouse.. |
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| 03:49.53 | MickyMouse | I'm not really a mouse... |
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| 03:50.15 | hdkiller | Hm.. So, then your screename misleaded me.. |
| 03:50.21 | _joey | fsck, fsck |
| 03:50.24 | MickyMouse | oh wow |
| 03:50.52 | hdkiller | _joey, unzip first .) |
| 03:51.22 | _joey | anyway you like it , baby |
| 03:52.31 | hdkiller | o yeah.. dpkg me! |
| 03:52.35 | shingouz | foreplay, you might want to have some foreppay too as long as you keep it off the channel |
| 03:53.06 | MickyMouse | did you know that we can select Everone in this room ,then right-click and choose something and it will do it to all? |
| 03:53.07 | _joey | foreppay? |
| 03:53.19 | _joey | are you going to pay for the show? |
| 03:53.21 | shingouz | _joey: bah :p |
| 03:53.35 | _joey | has anyone played with tc ? |
| 03:53.46 | MickyMouse | not i |
| 03:53.47 | shingouz | what is tc? Twin Cam? |
| 03:53.47 | hdkiller | i played, and i loosed.. |
| 03:53.53 | _joey | or any other traffic management utils ? |
| 03:53.54 | hdkiller | hm |
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| 03:54.13 | hdkiller | _joey, propably u have to ask smarter |
| 03:54.14 | MickyMouse | want to see what happens? |
| 03:54.32 | hdkiller | to see how sets somebody +b on MickyMouse ? :) |
| 03:55.03 | MickyMouse | +b ?? |
| 03:55.06 | shingouz | ban |
| 03:55.09 | hdkiller | nevermind;> |
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| 03:56.06 | hdkiller | hm, i just thinking about how games slows down debian development |
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| 03:58.27 | LandSlide | what is better, ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 03:58.39 | LandSlide | i'm planning on installing sarge on a development box. |
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| 04:00.32 | hdkiller | LandSlide, i think use ext3 for system, and reiserfs for squid cache mail spool and etc, what contains a lot of small files.. |
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| 04:00.47 | LandSlide | ok got ya. |
| 04:00.54 | hdkiller | LandSlide, or consider using xfs instead of riser... depends on what you want.. |
| 04:01.45 | jetx | xfs & resier a ups is recommended |
| 04:01.55 | nicedreams | how can i run quake for example in another virtual console like F8 while running xfce4 in F7? |
| 04:02.25 | shingouz | nicedreams: startx -- :1 |
| 04:02.44 | nicedreams | shingouz, what do i do after that? |
| 04:02.46 | jetx | you can run it on a different desktop also |
| 04:02.57 | nicedreams | how do i do that? |
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| 04:03.14 | hdkiller | nicedreams, export DISPLAY :1 quake |
| 04:03.19 | jetx | well by being on the desktop when you start it is the easy way |
| 04:03.46 | jetx | then use kb hotkeys to switch |
| 04:03.47 | nicedreams | where do i type the export DISPLAY at? |
| 04:04.04 | Guerin | nicedreams: in a shell |
| 04:04.06 | jetx | that place you have your keyboard |
| 04:04.09 | nicedreams | do i just export and not the startx one? |
| 04:04.24 | hdkiller | nicedreams, i have a typo, im tired sorry.. so in console start quake as: "DISPLAY=:1 quake" |
| 04:04.25 | Guerin | nicedreams: either |
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| 04:04.36 | nicedreams | i'll try...thx |
| 04:05.27 | w00dst0ck | hello folks, having a little problem removing firestarter from the system. I think the .postrm script has errors in it, but I'm not sure what to look for. |
| 04:05.27 | hdkiller | nicedreams, startx -- :1 runs a new X session, and the application (like quake) get the value of the DISPLAY variable, to know where should he connect to (witch X server i mean) |
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| 04:05.58 | nicedreams | I typed "DISPLAY=:1 quake3-smp" and it errors out |
| 04:06.04 | hdkiller | w00dst0ck, what is the exact error? you may try to fix the error by hand |
| 04:06.07 | nicedreams | it tries at least |
| 04:06.13 | nicedreams | but nothing on F8 |
| 04:06.18 | hdkiller | nicedreams, what error? |
| 04:06.32 | LandSlide | ok, another thing is i have 2 sata drives with a 64 meg adaptec controller... |
| 04:06.33 | nicedreams | couldn't open the x display |
| 04:06.45 | nicedreams | i've been trying to figure this out for months |
| 04:06.46 | jetx | how many monitors do you have |
| 04:06.52 | LandSlide | sarge wants to use a software raid... (i want to mirror them). so should I do this as software or int he controller configuration. |
| 04:06.52 | nicedreams | one |
| 04:06.52 | hdkiller | nicedreams, what do u see when pressing alt-f8? |
| 04:07.03 | hdkiller | nicedreams, you see the 'gray' X background? |
| 04:07.08 | nicedreams | nothing...just blinking cursor like always |
| 04:07.10 | mattybats2 | is there anything i should know about setting up apache on debian that makes it different than setting up apache elsewhere? |
| 04:07.17 | hdkiller | nicedreams, did you startx -- :1 ? |
| 04:07.22 | nicedreams | if I to the startx I get x, but no console to type |
| 04:07.33 | hdkiller | nicedreams, that's not a problem |
| 04:07.36 | nicedreams | do i have to do the startx first, then do the display one next? |
| 04:07.38 | mattybats2 | I seem to be having some sort of directory traversal problem |
| 04:07.57 | hdkiller | nicedreams, try DISPLAY=:1 xterm in a shell and then an X term will run on the another X session |
| 04:08.11 | mattybats2 | think it my be some more secure defaults type of thing |
| 04:08.15 | hdkiller | nicedreams, yes, you have to startx then start the application |
| 04:08.55 | gimpyturd | got a real specific question...trying to get X up on an old compaq LTE5300 laptop (P133) with a Cirrus GD-7543 chipset. Anyone have firsthand experience with this chipset? |
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| 04:09.19 | nicedreams | this never happened before, but when I do 'startx -- :1' i get a blinking blue and orange screen |
| 04:09.22 | nicedreams | i'll try it again |
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| 04:09.30 | ignatius | I'm having an issue where I spawn firefox, and nothing comes on the screen, but a pid is created and listed for firefox-bin. Ever seen that? |
| 04:09.32 | shingouz | gimpyturd: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 04:09.42 | gimpyturd | thx |
| 04:09.48 | hdkiller | ignatius, try to move extensions out of way |
| 04:09.54 | Guerin | ignatius: yeah, it can happen for a bunch of reasons |
| 04:09.57 | ignatius | hdkiller: I removed everything |
| 04:10.06 | Guerin | ignatius: strace |
| 04:10.09 | ignatius | as if it had never been installed before |
| 04:10.13 | hdkiller | yeah then strace it.. |
| 04:10.14 | ignatius | O |
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| 04:10.23 | ignatius | I'm not familiar with "Strace" |
| 04:10.29 | ignatius | I'm not a newb, but that's a new one to me. |
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| 04:10.36 | Guerin | ignatius: you will be when you read man strace :) |
| 04:11.00 | nicedreams | i get font render warnings so I guess hence the blinking screen |
| 04:11.02 | ignatius | ...and install it ;) |
| 04:11.29 | Guerin | nicedreams: font renderer warnnings aren't a big deal. Just consider yourself warned. |
| 04:11.38 | nicedreams | lol |
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| 04:11.58 | hdkiller | ignatius, and don't forget strace writes to stderr, use strace binary 2> file; then less file |
| 04:12.07 | jimmybgood | what's all this brown paper bag silliness in the changelogs? |
| 04:12.12 | hdkiller | btw how can i redirect stderr to stdin? :) |
| 04:12.15 | Guerin | jimmybgood: details? |
| 04:12.38 | Guerin | hdkiller: itym stdout? |
| 04:12.44 | DeadlySin3 | can anyone tell me how to prevent X from starting up automatically? i've edited the runlevel in /etc/inittab to 3 and still it loads at boot |
| 04:12.48 | Guerin | hdkiller: 2>&1 |
| 04:12.52 | jimmybgood | numerous Debian changelogs reference brown paper bag bugs |
| 04:13.11 | Guerin | jimmybgood: a 'brown paper bag' bug is one which is hitherto unknown - a mystery bug |
| 04:13.13 | hdkiller | Guerin, wtf itym? |
| 04:13.17 | Guerin | !itym |
| 04:13.17 | dpkg | itym is probably I Think You Mean |
| 04:13.27 | Guerin | DeadlySin3: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 04:13.28 | ignatius | okay |
| 04:13.43 | ignatius | it stops at ***loading the extensions datasource |
| 04:13.49 | hdkiller | Guerin, strace write stuff to stderr.. |
| 04:14.02 | Guerin | hdkiller: yes. |
| 04:14.02 | jimmybgood | Guerin: do you mean one which has no BTS#? |
| 04:14.06 | hdkiller | ah |
| 04:14.08 | hdkiller | sorry ;) |
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| 04:14.20 | Guerin | jimmybgood: pretty much, yeah. |
| 04:14.27 | Guerin | jimmybgood: a brand spankin' new one. |
| 04:14.41 | jimmybgood | Guerin: shouldn't there be a desciption of the bug then? |
| 04:14.43 | ignatius | so... hmmm |
| 04:14.46 | nSe | is there any way to get a list of my recently installed packages ordered by date? |
| 04:14.47 | DeadlySin3 | hmm, according to the docs at debian.org the runlevel is what controls a graphical login |
| 04:14.57 | jimmybgood | I don't like mystery bugs with mystery fixes |
| 04:15.03 | Guerin | jimmybgood: depends on context - I don't know exactly what you're referring to. |
| 04:15.15 | ignatius | where would the old extensions datasource for mozilla/firefox be? I thought i rm'd all that stuff |
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| 04:15.42 | Guerin | DeadlySin3: by default, runlevels 2-5 in debian are the same. |
| 04:15.54 | Guerin | DeadlySin3: they'll only be different if you change them yourself. |
| 04:16.08 | hdkiller | ignatius, ~/.mozilla ~/.firefox ~/.firebird ? |
| 04:16.20 | Guerin | ignatius: /etc/mozilla-firefox/ and ~/.mozilla/firefox |
| 04:16.23 | hdkiller | ignatius, you have to see that in the strace btw |
| 04:16.34 | nix000 | how can one fix up with iptables installed and none of the required modules loaded ? |
| 04:17.15 | DeadlySin3 | I see. hmm what's odd is when i first installed X - I had to type startx at the prompt to load x |
| 04:17.22 | DeadlySin3 | now it starts automatically since i've installed gnome |
| 04:17.26 | Guerin | DeadlySin3: read the 'nodm' factoid |
| 04:17.30 | ignatius | hdkiller: nope |
| 04:17.33 | Guerin | DeadlySin3: no shit. |
| 04:17.43 | DeadlySin3 | I have |
| 04:17.48 | Guerin | read it again |
| 04:17.51 | Guerin | understand it this time |
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| 04:18.06 | hdkiller | !nodm |
| 04:18.06 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 04:18.18 | DeadlySin3 | lol. I do understand it bud. It's just that if it's true, i'm getting a lot of false information from people |
| 04:18.24 | Guerin | from whom? |
| 04:18.43 | DeadlySin3 | at the documents at debian.org in the how-to's regarding the x-window system are wrong |
| 04:18.54 | Guerin | DeadlySin3: linkage? |
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| 04:19.13 | DeadlySin3 | linuxquestions.org is where i last posted about this problem. i'll get you the link to the how to docs at debian.org in a sec |
| 04:19.28 | Guerin | it's been debian policy since forever that runlevels are for the individual admin to mold to their liking |
| 04:19.37 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:19.42 | Guerin | !linuxquestions.org |
| 04:19.43 | dpkg | DON'T bother going to linuxquestions.org for help. By and large the people there are Red Hat tools or Mandrake tards or Knoppix morons who don't know a goddamn motherfucking thing about debian, and do nothing but lead innocent newbies astray. See http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/26/2004/06/2/154223 |
| 04:19.47 | DeadlySin3 | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Config-HOWTO/config.html#AEN899 |
| 04:19.53 | toukitsune | question. how do you tell how much data is in a folder? |
| 04:19.58 | Guerin | is that debian.org? |
| 04:20.06 | Guerin | it doesn't appear to be... |
| 04:20.27 | DeadlySin3 | that's the links straight from the debian.org website for the how to, yes |
| 04:20.33 | DeadlySin3 | go to debian.org and click documentation |
| 04:20.49 | DeadlySin3 | scroll down to how-to's |
| 04:20.58 | DeadlySin3 | click config-howto's |
| 04:21.05 | Guerin | come on |
| 04:21.08 | DeadlySin3 | then find the one for x-windows. thats the link i posted above |
| 04:21.15 | Guerin | it's an offsite link to the linux documentation project |
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| 04:21.25 | WW | toukitsune: "du -s <directory>" might work |
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| 04:22.27 | ethics | toukitsune: or ls-la if you wanna what files are using the space |
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| 04:22.38 | toukitsune | oh btw how big does /boot get |
| 04:22.50 | DeadlySin3 | oh well, i appreciate your efforts. thanks but i've got to go |
| 04:22.57 | toukitsune | I am trying to figure out how big of a /boot partition I should have |
| 04:23.03 | timzter | man badblocks shows that the usage requires blocks_count. How do I know how many blocks my device has?? |
| 04:23.10 | DeadlySin3 | your /boot should only be like 50 mb's |
| 04:23.25 | toukitsune | is that the most it will get? |
| 04:23.29 | timzter | df -k . ? |
| 04:23.30 | timzter | hmmm |
| 04:23.36 | Guerin | toukitsune: as big as how ever many kernels you have in it |
| 04:23.46 | Guerin | given that a kernel is typically >5MB ... |
| 04:23.49 | Guerin | err |
| 04:23.52 | Guerin | <5MB |
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| 04:24.42 | will | hello |
| 04:24.55 | will | im from in brazil!!!!! |
| 04:25.07 | hdkiller | echo $(ls modules | wc -l) $(du -ms modules) -> 11 64 modules hemm.. |
| 04:25.12 | Guerin | wow, that's incredible! |
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| 04:25.40 | hdkiller | it's really unbelivable! |
| 04:25.47 | ignatius | heh |
| 04:25.54 | will | i'm need pratice my english!!! |
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| 04:26.12 | c01100011 | I need to practice my english !!! |
| 04:26.16 | Guerin | will: /j #chat4fun irc.efnet.org |
| 04:26.19 | hdkiller | weee!!! I have to learn english at all!! :> |
| 04:26.38 | rgsluz | Oiii... alguem pode me ajudar ? |
| 04:26.43 | Guerin | !br |
| 04:26.43 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:27.00 | rgsluz | valeu.. |
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| 04:27.33 | timzter | badblocks -b 1024 /dev/hda1 187395 returns nothing. So I assume that means no bad blocks/sectors. yet, when I boot my machine off of /dev/hda1, it reports that it has a bad sector and keeps spewing this error message foreever |
| 04:27.43 | will | Alguem do Brazil?????? |
| 04:27.49 | will | Brasil?????? |
| 04:27.54 | c01100011 | wow, that is nifty give people a message in thier own language and they listen, who would have figured that |
| 04:27.57 | will | alguem????? |
| 04:28.00 | Guerin | will: in #debian-br, there are many people do brasil |
| 04:28.20 | hdkiller | !hu |
| 04:28.20 | dpkg | hu is probably Hungary |
| 04:28.40 | p8m | !us |
| 04:28.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, us is United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun |
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| 04:29.00 | will | alguem tem msn?????????? |
| 04:29.09 | offroadgeek | hello - I'm trying to install an app that asks the following: $make -C /path/to/source SUBDIRS=$PWD modules |
| 04:29.30 | hdkiller | dpkg, learn hu is also, ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 04:29.31 | offroadgeek | and I'm not sure the path to the kernel source (i'm running sarge 2.6) |
| 04:29.44 | hdkiller | !hu |
| 04:29.44 | dpkg | from memory, hu is Hungary |
| 04:29.50 | Guerin | hsdrop the 'learn' |
| 04:29.52 | offroadgeek | anyone know where I can find the path to the kernel source on my box? |
| 04:29.54 | Guerin | hdkiller: ^^^ |
| 04:29.56 | will | alguem pode me passa o msn?????????.....que fale portugues? |
| 04:30.02 | Guerin | offroadgeek: where did you install it? |
| 04:30.07 | hdkiller | dpkg, hu is also, ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 04:30.07 | dpkg | ...but hu is already something else... |
| 04:30.08 | c01100011 | i think apt-get install kernel source |
| 04:30.15 | c01100011 | or something simmilar |
| 04:30.17 | ignatius | well |
| 04:30.20 | offroadgeek | yeah, I just did apt-get install kernel-source |
| 04:30.27 | hdkiller | dpkg, forget hu |
| 04:30.27 | dpkg | i forgot hu, hdkiller |
| 04:30.30 | ignatius | I installed firefox in a brand new directory and ran it and still got kaput |
| 04:30.34 | hdkiller | dpkg, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 04:30.34 | dpkg | hdkiller: okay |
| 04:30.37 | hdkiller | !hu |
| 04:30.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 04:30.53 | timzter | I know a Portuguese song: Mancebo mancebo alegria.... |
| 04:30.55 | shingouz | hdkiller: what did dpkg just say? :) |
| 04:31.13 | hdkiller | shingouz, If you speak hungarian please try #debian.hu |
| 04:31.16 | c01100011 | who knows, i think he is on the drug |
| 04:31.18 | Guerin | offroadgeek: where? |
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| 04:31.23 | toukitsune | how big of a HD is needed for a liberal instalation of debian? |
| 04:31.25 | offroadgeek | also, how can I tell exactly which kernel I have installed already? (I chose linux26 from the install disk) |
| 04:31.29 | shingouz | hdkiller: sounded more ominous ;) |
| 04:31.32 | Guerin | toukitsune: define 'liberal'? |
| 04:31.37 | shingouz | neat factoind though |
| 04:31.40 | dondelelcaro | offroadgeek: uname -a |
| 04:31.44 | toukitsune | like say a huge amout of packages |
| 04:31.52 | Guerin | toukitsune: define 'huge'? |
| 04:32.14 | toukitsune | someone going through alot of audio, video, multimedia and other files |
| 04:32.20 | offroadgeek | dondeelcarlo: thanks |
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| 04:32.38 | Guerin | toukitsune: 5G |
| 04:32.38 | _joey | are there utils to shape bandwidth? |
| 04:32.39 | toukitsune | someone who would probably install all 7 CDs worth |
| 04:32.45 | _joey | upstream for p2p :) |
| 04:32.47 | Guerin | toukitsune: impossible. |
| 04:32.50 | dondelelcaro | _joey: yes. |
| 04:32.56 | dondelelcaro | !ts |
| 04:32.56 | dpkg | ts is the traffic shaping command used to shape, throttle, and drop traffic incomming and outgoing on interfaces using rules. See the LARTC Howto (ask me about lartc) 15.8.3 |
| 04:33.14 | _joey | ts or tc ? |
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| 04:33.23 | offroadgeek | guerin: that's what I don't know... apt-get just installed it by itself... |
| 04:33.29 | toukitsune | well minus the incompatible packages. but I am refering to someone who would install about every package they can off the 7 disks |
| 04:33.33 | _joey | does it work on ppp0 or only on eth0 that supports QoS ? |
| 04:33.36 | Guerin | toukitsune: a big install fits easily in 5G; a small one in 500MB. it's data which takes a lot of space. |
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| 04:33.46 | will | Do you espeak portuguese?? |
| 04:33.53 | hdkiller | !br |
| 04:33.54 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:33.55 | Guerin | will: the people in #debian-br do |
| 04:34.00 | Guerin | for the fifth time |
| 04:34.15 | _joey | bahhh |
| 04:34.16 | Guerin | offroadgeek: it should have put it either in your cwd or in /usr/src/ |
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| 04:34.30 | offroadgeek | guerin: thanks |
| 04:34.42 | gsp | ok... I'm totally lost and ready to kick the box... I'm trying to get wireless networking support working for my PC... I have a Dlink DWL-520+ adapter which uses the TI ACX100 chipset. I found the driver, compiled and installed the module with module-assist but I still can't get anything to recognize the card |
| 04:34.44 | toukitsune | Anyone know of any partition examples? |
| 04:34.47 | will | #debian-br |
| 04:34.54 | dondelelcaro | _joey: tc is the command, and no, it works on any interface and isn't limited to QoS |
| 04:34.59 | Guerin | toukitsune: if you're in any doubt, just have one big partition |
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| 04:35.04 | toukitsune | cause I am wanting to seperate some of the different mount points |
| 04:35.09 | Guerin | will: /j #debian-br |
| 04:35.22 | _joey | have you got the examples? perhaps |
| 04:35.29 | offroadgeek | guerin: in /usr/src there's a kernel-source...bz2 file... is that it? |
| 04:35.34 | Guerin | will: I'm from a place where people don't like to recieve random PMs |
| 04:35.35 | dondelelcaro | _joey: see the lartc |
| 04:35.39 | Guerin | offroadgeek: yes |
| 04:35.50 | offroadgeek | guerin: thanks again |
| 04:35.55 | Guerin | offroadgeek: no sweat |
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| 04:36.24 | _joey | I have seen dozens of docs and set it up but still tc is not limitting upstream bandwidth for p2p |
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| 04:36.31 | sanmarcos | how can I find out what packages depend on exim4? |
| 04:36.32 | _joey | annoying |
| 04:36.47 | Guerin | sanmarcos: nothing much depends on exim4 |
| 04:36.57 | toukitsune | what the heck is exim? |
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| 04:37.13 | dondelelcaro | _joey: you can really only limit outgoing traffic, not incoming traffic, as a moment of reflextion will make clear to you. |
| 04:37.15 | gsp | no one knows anything about my wireless issue? |
| 04:37.15 | Guerin | !fgi toukitsune what+the+heck+is+exim |
| 04:37.15 | sanmarcos | toukitsune: mta |
| 04:37.16 | dpkg | toukitsune: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=what+the+heck+is+exim |
| 04:37.21 | _joey | that's what I am doing |
| 04:37.25 | sanmarcos | Guerin: but what about X package? |
| 04:37.38 | Guerin | sanmarcos: apt-cache rdepends, I think |
| 04:37.39 | _joey | want to see the diagram of my setup? |
| 04:37.49 | benjamindees | is there a way to know which .iso includes a package without downloading them all? |
| 04:37.56 | _joey | simple just for 4662 to get it going and it's not working |
| 04:37.56 | will | will_smith134@hotmail.com |
| 04:37.58 | dondelelcaro | _joey: then figure out how to classify the p2p traffic, and assign the p2p traffic to a queue that limits its bandwidth appropriately |
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| 04:38.03 | will | will_smith134@hotmail.com |
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| 04:38.06 | will | will_smith134@hotmail.com |
| 04:38.06 | will | will_smith134@hotmail.comv |
| 04:38.08 | will | will_smith134@hotmail.comv |
| 04:38.08 | will | will_smith134@hotmail.com |
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| 04:38.15 | Guerin | bannage |
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| 04:38.19 | Guerin | please |
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| 04:38.39 | _joey | don't fscking tell me to figure, type an example for a service on a interface |
| 04:38.57 | jetx | ? |
| 04:39.33 | goodtod | once i do make-kpkg modules_image, where are the images i made? |
| 04:39.43 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.48 | dondelelcaro | _joey: calm down. If you wish to yell at me, kindly go elsewhere. |
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| 04:40.36 | _joey | www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/gr.gif |
| 04:40.38 | _joey | there |
| 04:40.41 | dondelelcaro | _joey: in either case, the commands are fairly trivial. You just need to know how you're actually going to classify p2p traffic. It's a non-trivial problem. |
| 04:40.55 | dondelelcaro | _joey: the actual assigning of packets to queues is trivial |
| 04:40.58 | goodtod | jetx: that's what I thought but it isn't there |
| 04:41.01 | _joey | has anyone use pp2p or l7-filter with iptables ? |
| 04:41.10 | DuckTales | kernel-source-2.4.27_2.4.27-8_all.deb |
| 04:41.17 | DuckTales | What would be the apt-get kernel name for that/ |
| 04:41.20 | DuckTales | The kernel...not the source. |
| 04:41.32 | jetx | the image? |
| 04:41.42 | goodtod | jetx: yes |
| 04:41.43 | DuckTales | ahh, ok |
| 04:41.45 | DuckTales | I know now |
| 04:41.47 | jetx | goodtod: it's always in ../ here ... maybe it borked out |
| 04:41.48 | DuckTales | thanks jethro |
| 04:41.50 | _joey | that's how I set up |
| 04:41.51 | DuckTales | thanks jetx |
| 04:41.59 | nix000 | plz help. i am trying to install iptable modules. i compiled a stock 2.4.30 kernel for woody. but all the links in google is about setting iptables rules not about setting the actual modules up. |
| 04:42.01 | goodtod | jetx: there's an image for each module, no? |
| 04:42.13 | _joey | dondelelcaro: why is it not trivial to classify the traffic? |
| 04:42.22 | benjamindees | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.27 | _joey | filter on knowns ports using u32 |
| 04:42.36 | _joey | which avaiable as module for htb qdisc |
| 04:42.37 | jetx | i dunno, i only compile one external module, never tried 2 at once.. but probably, yeah |
| 04:42.52 | dondelelcaro | _joey: because most p2p traffic doesn't use a single port to actually transfer the data itself |
| 04:43.06 | goodtod | jetx: i'm only compiling one |
| 04:43.15 | _joey | specify the range of ports , there's port maska available |
| 04:43.32 | _joey | dondelelcaro do you know what you are talking about or just trolling? |
| 04:43.47 | jetx | yeh it makes a blah.deb for the blah module |
| 04:43.57 | dondelelcaro | _joey: then specify it, and assign it to a class like so: tc filter add dev $DEV parent 1: protocol ip prio 10 u32 match ip dport 443 0xffff flowid 1:15 |
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| 04:44.14 | goodtod | jetx: i got kernel-image.deb fine |
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| 04:44.43 | jetx | yeah... normal even if the second part of the command borks |
| 04:44.56 | DuckTales | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386_2.4.27-8_i386.deb || kernel-source-2.4.27_2.4.27-8_all.deb |
| 04:44.58 | DuckTales | Do those match? |
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| 04:45.49 | dondelelcaro | _joey: and please stop abusing people trying to help you. I won't tell you again. |
| 04:45.54 | jetx | DuckTales: you may have something confused: you usually either need kernel-image + kernel-headers, or kernel-source |
| 04:46.12 | _joey | dondelelcaro who's abusing you? |
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| 04:46.28 | DuckTales | jetx: I want the binary kernel..and the source. |
| 04:46.30 | DuckTales | The same versions. |
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| 04:46.50 | maher | DuckTales: they match |
| 04:46.58 | jetx | ya they seem to match |
| 04:47.14 | DuckTales | k |
| 04:47.28 | DuckTales | thanks guys |
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| 04:48.09 | jetx | btw it seems to have been some guy @60-240-163-236.tpgi.com.au doing the abusing _joey |
| 04:48.27 | jetx | !dict acerbic |
| 04:48.28 | goodtod | jetx: dpkg-deb --build debian/tmp-modules /root/kernel-source-2.6.8/..; that should have built it, right? |
| 04:48.29 | dpkg | could not find definition for acerbic |
| 04:49.00 | jetx | goodtod: no idea, never used that command |
| 04:49.12 | maher | goodtod: no - use make-kpkg to make the kernel .deb |
| 04:49.29 | maher | goodtod: oops - ignore that |
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| 04:49.53 | benjamindees | the new bittorrent downloads are very nice |
| 04:50.00 | jetx | of... |
| 04:50.22 | benjamindees | is there a bittorrent server that lets you just serve parts of a file? |
| 04:50.29 | ignatius | huh? |
| 04:50.33 | madclicker | laterz all |
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| 04:50.46 | jetx | only d/l the parts |
| 04:50.52 | ignatius | lol |
| 04:50.53 | jetx | and you wil only u/l the parts |
| 04:51.30 | benjamindees | so I can just block further downloading or something? |
| 04:51.46 | jetx | under... details |
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| 04:52.59 | benjamindees | jetx, of debian, aren't they new? |
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| 04:53.30 | hypno | how can i make xine play oggs again? |
| 04:53.32 | jetx | no idea, if you mean a torrent of debian |
| 04:53.40 | hypno | i'm on unstable |
| 04:54.24 | benjamindees | hypno, use testing if you're unwilling to deal with brokenness |
| 04:55.08 | jetx | hypno: probably some package from marillat |
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| 04:57.16 | BrianAnthony | is there a program which will allow to have two displays? |
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| 04:57.37 | BrianAnthony | you, even |
| 04:58.03 | dondelelcaro | BrianAnthony: you mean dual monitors? |
| 04:58.09 | benjamindees | BrianAnthony, not a program really, just a matter of setting up the XF86Config file with two displays |
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| 04:59.17 | benjamindees | BrianAnthony, that's if you have two video cards; if you have one with dual heads, you'll need driver support |
| 04:59.21 | BrianAnthony | benjamindees: how would I got about doing that? |
| 04:59.33 | BrianAnthony | Yeah, I'm talking about two video cards |
| 04:59.46 | dondelelcaro | BrianAnthony: get your video cards working with the proper driver, and write the XF86Config-4 appropriately |
| 04:59.58 | dondelelcaro | BrianAnthony: there are several examples online. If you get stuck, you can ask here. |
| 05:00.15 | dondelelcaro | BrianAnthony: search for multi head and/or xinerama |
| 05:00.24 | benjamindees | BrianAnthony, man XF86Config-4 should tell you more than you need or want to know |
| 05:01.09 | BrianAnthony | dondelelcaro: my video cards use the same driver. I wouldn't have to install another, would I? |
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| 05:01.30 | yoc | find a good site: http://kernelplanet.org/ |
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| 05:03.28 | BrianAnthony | would it be as simple as adding another device, then adding another screen and putting the device to the screen in the server layout? |
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| 05:04.27 | jetx | yes |
| 05:04.37 | jetx | or something along tho9se lines |
| 05:06.30 | jetx | man, i get on irc and nothing gets done :( |
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| 05:10.03 | BrianAnthony | okay, the XF86Config editing is extremelt simple, from what I've seen |
| 05:10.17 | BrianAnthony | Do I need a program like Xinererama to do so? |
| 05:10.30 | BrianAnthony | well, not to edit it, but to support it with the WM |
| 05:11.50 | benjamindees | I'm not sure what xinerama does |
| 05:12.36 | dondelelcaro | BrianAnthony: xinerama is part of X |
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| 05:13.05 | dondelelcaro | BrianAnthony: there are two ways you can have dual head. One is with xinerama, which allows windows to span both heads. The other is with two separate displays, which doesn't. |
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| 05:13.27 | BrianAnthony | I don't want to run dual heads on one card |
| 05:13.34 | herbi_ | hey guys. just wondering if there was a way i could create an ext3 partition as a file? |
| 05:13.35 | toukitsune | does debian Sarge have a DVD install? |
| 05:13.52 | BrianAnthony | I want two seperate cards, one PCI, and one AGP |
| 05:13.55 | herbi_ | kind of like an iso, but with ext3 partitiony goodness...so i could mount it loopback but still use tune2fs and stuff on it |
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| 05:14.38 | herbi_ | i tried doing dd if=/dev/zero of=test then mkfs.ext3 test and it lets me format it etc but i cant do tune2fs goodness on it? |
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| 05:14.57 | pixil9 | Could anyone tell me where to get a floppy net install? |
| 05:15.04 | pixil9 | for sarge or whatever |
| 05:16.03 | quitte_ | herbi_: make the file a device with losetup and use tune2fs on that. |
| 05:16.09 | BrianAnthony | rb gonna install the card |
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| 05:16.59 | herbi_ | quitte_: thanks ill take a look at it :) |
| 05:17.07 | sanxiyn | "DPL election: Overfiend made it" |
| 05:17.08 | sanxiyn | good |
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| 05:18.11 | kf4ebp | pixil9: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 05:19.37 | toukitsune | does anyone know if you can install debian on XFS and what version (stable/testing/instable) you have to use to install on xfs? |
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| 05:21.20 | tabris|away | toukitsune: you can do it. chances are stable won't. I know that sarge/testing does allow it as I have done it myself. |
| 05:22.05 | herbi_ | quitte_: i still get this : |
| 05:22.14 | herbi_ | aorta:/tmp# mkfs.ext3 test |
| 05:22.14 | herbi_ | mke2fs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) |
| 05:22.14 | herbi_ | test is not a block special device. |
| 05:22.15 | herbi_ | Proceed anyway? (y,n) y |
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| 05:22.18 | toukitsune | I know Sarge has the files but I was unsure if you can do an installation on xfs |
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| 05:22.34 | quitte_ | herbi_ try /dev/lo or read losetups man page |
| 05:22.58 | quitte_ | or /dev/loop/0 |
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| 05:23.33 | mattybats2 | so i just set up apache and I put my website in /var/www. when I go to http://localhost my site comes up but i'm getting broken images. when I move the site to a subfolder under /var/www/ and go to http://localhost/subfolder everything looks fine. thought this might have something to do with apache on debian as i've set this up on windows apache bing bang boom easypeasy |
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| 05:24.10 | herbi_ | oops |
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| 05:24.13 | herbi_ | quitte_: any ideas? |
| 05:24.21 | herbi_ | how can i make it a block device |
| 05:24.48 | mattybats2 | been looking at <directory> stuff for last couple hours |
| 05:24.54 | Guerin | mattybats2: there's nothign even remmotely difficult about setting up apache on debian |
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| 05:25.15 | mattybats2 | guerin: any ideas then? |
| 05:25.27 | trand | _(_ -)_ |
| 05:25.29 | trand | hi |
| 05:25.30 | mattybats2 | might just be my lack of apache knowledge |
| 05:25.32 | jm_ | herbi_: ignore that message, mkfs will work just fine |
| 05:25.35 | Guerin | mattybats2: check where the urls are actually pointing? check the permissions on the dir? |
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| 05:25.39 | Guerin | on the files? |
| 05:25.51 | herbi_ | jm_: yeah youre right...it does work just fine, but ...hmm ok let me explain this in totality |
| 05:26.03 | herbi_ | i work at a lab doing surgical simulation |
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| 05:26.41 | herbi_ | and we have these simulation devices ...haptics devices... and they require a license key, which is a hash based on the UUID of the partition |
| 05:26.48 | herbi_ | (that the drivers are installed on) |
| 05:27.16 | herbi_ | im trying to build a livecd demo type thing so my boss can take the haptics device + livecd to various places and show it off |
| 05:27.27 | herbi_ | which is working wonderfully at the moment with the mouse based (sans haptics device) version |
| 05:27.55 | herbi_ | and when the haptics device wants to go with the livecd, it needs a USB key or something similar for the license to hash off |
| 05:28.08 | quitte_ | this wouldnt be a driver that works with the ifeel mouseman by chance? |
| 05:28.15 | herbi_ | ..no |
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| 05:28.32 | herbi_ | now what i want to do is have a file, that i can set the uuid id of useing tune2fs -U |
| 05:28.38 | herbi_ | that can go on the livecd |
| 05:28.46 | herbi_ | and travel happily with the haptics device |
| 05:29.01 | herbi_ | now i have done the dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=1k count=100 losetup etcetc |
| 05:29.12 | herbi_ | and i can do tune2fs -U "someappropriate uuid" |
| 05:29.28 | herbi_ | but when i run the licensing thing, it wont recognise the damn uuid :/ |
| 05:29.52 | herbi_ | so im thinking, the uuid didnt get put in there properly by tune2fs or similar |
| 05:29.59 | quitte_ | did you try to losetup /dev/loop0 file and then use mkfs and tunefs on /dev/loop0? |
| 05:30.12 | jm_ | herbi_: that's easy to find out |
| 05:30.17 | herbi_ | quitte_: yep |
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| 05:30.18 | mattybats2 | guerin: could this be causeing the problem 'Alias /images/ /usr/share/images/' |
| 05:30.21 | herbi_ | quitte_: just like the man said |
| 05:30.27 | quitte_ | ok |
| 05:30.45 | herbi_ | you have ot understand im not trying to circumvent the license for illegal purposes. or to distribute the thing...just so my boss can demo the device |
| 05:30.54 | starscalling | nn |
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| 05:31.32 | Guerin | mattybats2: if your pics are supposed to be in an 'images' dir |
| 05:31.34 | obtix | ok, i am sorry it has been a LONG time... how do i tell apt to hold a package so its not upgraded? |
| 05:31.44 | Guerin | !tell obtix about hold |
| 05:31.56 | cafuego | Hmm. 3GB ECC RAM |
| 05:32.04 | mattybats2 | yep |
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| 05:32.21 | herbi_ | any ideas/ |
| 05:32.27 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 05:32.28 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little vegemite, and a handful of rabid hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 05:32.38 | Guerin | hamsters love vegemite |
| 05:32.42 | Guerin | just fyi |
| 05:33.01 | damo | who to contact about broken package? |
| 05:33.10 | Guerin | damo: bts |
| 05:33.23 | damo | i don't get it/ |
| 05:33.33 | Guerin | !tell damo about bts |
| 05:33.51 | mattybats2 | !bts |
| 05:33.51 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 05:35.08 | damo | thanks |
| 05:35.15 | Guerin | no worries |
| 05:35.45 | enola | whois dpkg |
| 05:35.58 | mattybats2 | !bts |
| 05:35.58 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 05:36.04 | DuckTales | !tell enola about dpkg |
| 05:37.59 | herbi_ | jm_: how can i find out? |
| 05:38.16 | jm_ | herbi_: dumpe2fs |
| 05:38.19 | pixil9 | anyone know how i can change my console resolution on boot? |
| 05:38.23 | enola | Hello Every One. I'm trying to mount my usb external mass storage device, dmesg shows that its detected. But I cant find the dev node |
| 05:38.48 | herbi_ | hmmm interesting |
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| 05:38.57 | herbi_ | aorta:/tmp# tune2fs -U "bf218fd9-21cd-4deb-bb5f-b90d159829d6" test |
| 05:39.05 | herbi_ | Filesystem UUID: bf218fd9-21cd-4deb-bb5f-b90d159829d6 |
| 05:39.20 | jm_ | pixil9: read FB docs and/or svga.txt, whichever applies |
| 05:39.31 | herbi_ | so it IS set. |
| 05:39.42 | herbi_ | i wonder what the problem is then |
| 05:39.48 | BrianAnthony | wow |
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| 05:39.54 | BrianAnthony | I managed to really fuck some shit up |
| 05:39.55 | BrianAnthony | haha |
| 05:40.08 | enola | mass storage is /dev/sd* or /dev/usb/* i cant decide |
| 05:40.09 | herbi_ | jm_: this calls for further research. thanks for the assist so far :) |
| 05:40.24 | BrianAnthony | My other monitor has no signal, and I'm at 620x480 |
| 05:40.28 | BrianAnthony | 640, even |
| 05:41.45 | enola | any one with device driver expertise ?? |
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| 05:43.16 | pixil9 | jmspeex: where are these FB docs? |
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| 05:44.02 | guru3 | how long should "rebuilding the database" take? |
| 05:44.37 | [OGI]-full0shrap | in debian testing, do i have to use the command cat /etc/passwd | mksmbpasswd.sh > /etc/samba/smbpasswd |
| 05:44.41 | [OGI]-full0shrap | for samba |
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| 05:47.09 | jm_ | [OGI]-full0shrap: Debian testing has Samba 3.0 which uses passdb.tdb IIRC, so try using pdbedit instead |
| 05:47.29 | jm_ | or configure samba to use smbpasswd backend |
| 05:48.24 | jmspeex | Piggy: what FB docs?? |
| 05:48.24 | Gokee2 | !pastbot |
| 05:48.49 | jmspeex | pixil9: what FB docs?? |
| 05:49.08 | Gokee2 | !paster |
| 05:49.09 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
| 05:49.17 | Gokee2 | thank you :) |
| 05:49.43 | jm_ | !tell gokee2 -about msg |
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| 05:54.22 | Gokee2 | jm_, OOOoooo ok........... |
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| 05:56.55 | [OGI]-full0shrap | smbpasswd backend, pls explain, is that a backport? |
| 05:57.25 | Gumby | [OGI]-full0shrap: have you asked google the same question? |
| 05:57.31 | goodtod | once i do make-kpkg modules_image, why are the images i made not in the parent directory? |
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| 05:58.05 | dondelelcaro | goodtod: they're in ../; however you probably don't actually have anything that would be in modules_image |
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| 05:58.23 | dondelelcaro | goodtod: hint: modules_image *IS NOT* for modules included in the kernel |
| 05:58.38 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: I apt-get installed pcmcia-source |
| 05:58.52 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: untarred it and ran that command |
| 05:59.10 | dondelelcaro | goodtod: ok, then assuming you've unpacked the module, make-kpkg should build that module and leave you with a .deb in ../ |
| 05:59.50 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: i get Module /usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs processed fine |
| 06:00.03 | goodtod | dondek: but the image just isn't there |
| 06:00.03 | dondelelcaro | goodtod: but nothing in ../ ? |
| 06:00.16 | goodtod | dondek: but the image just isn't there |
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| 06:00.28 | goodtod | dondelcaro: sorry, i'm lazy :) |
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| 06:00.33 | goodtod | dondelcaro: correct |
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| 06:01.07 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: ok what does your name mean |
| 06:01.11 | dondelelcaro | goodtod: hrm... and you're doing this as root? |
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| 06:01.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell goodtod about meaning of dondelelcaro |
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| 06:02.12 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: lol it looks spanish...don del caro |
| 06:02.31 | dondelelcaro | goodtod: if not (which I recommend) you'll probably need to make a different directory MODULE_LOC that the user compiling the package can actually write to |
| 06:03.07 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: i am running this as root |
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| 06:03.38 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: and it doesn't make sense that the kernel image appeared fine |
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| 06:04.00 | rixth | I'm trying to configure a new kernel, I do make menuconfig I go General Setup but I am unable to select "Support for hot puggable devices" it simply has "---" huh? |
| 06:04.22 | jm_ | rixth: it depends on some other option that's not enabled |
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| 06:04.44 | rixth | Gah. Anyone know the dependencies? |
| 06:04.55 | jm_ | yes, many people do |
| 06:05.09 | rixth | jm_ do you? ^_^ |
| 06:05.16 | goodtod | dondel:i'll try to make it world writable anyways |
| 06:05.28 | dondelelcaro | goodtod: if you're doing it as root, that's not necessary |
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| 06:05.53 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: well i am :-\ |
| 06:06.15 | jm_ | rixth: not off top of my head, let me see if I can figure it out quickly |
| 06:06.34 | rixth | Thanks, I'm googling now. |
| 06:06.38 | DeMoLiNuX | :-/ |
| 06:07.03 | [OGI]-full0shrap | i've googled until my eyes fell out |
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| 06:08.13 | Thinkin | does anyone know whats the browser is inside debian command prompt? |
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| 06:08.41 | BrianAnthony | How would I scan my pci bus to find a busid? |
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| 06:09.57 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: so you don't have any ideas? |
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| 06:10.33 | [OGI]-full0shrap | lspci -v | more |
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| 06:11.00 | dondelelcaro | goodtod: no good ones... typically it just works. did you issue a make-kpkg modules_clean; before buidling the modules_image? |
| 06:11.34 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: nope |
| 06:11.47 | dondelelcaro | goodtod: try that first |
| 06:12.02 | jm_ | rixth: it defaults to Y for non S390 architectures |
| 06:12.13 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: what does that actually do? |
| 06:12.28 | rixth | I'm using a Athlon XP (non 64bit) |
| 06:12.50 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: still now good :-\ |
| 06:13.15 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: still no good :-\ *** |
| 06:13.26 | jm_ | rixth: it doesn't depend on anything |
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| 06:14.04 | goodtod | dondelelcaro: does it make a difference that my kernel source isn't in /usr/src/linux? |
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| 06:14.25 | rixth | They why can I not select it? I'm building 2.6.11-6. My current kernel (2.6.8-2) supports hot plugging. |
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| 06:16.12 | dondelelcaro | goodtod: no, it doesn't. |
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| 06:16.27 | gsp | Who wants to help me with wlan? |
| 06:16.46 | gsp | can't get the damn thing to find any wireless networks even though it's 2 ft away |
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| 06:18.25 | carnage | Lunatic is a spammer |
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| 06:19.21 | maher | gsp: does it show up in iwconfig |
| 06:19.47 | BrianAnthony | why doesn't XFree86 -scanpci not return anything =S |
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| 06:22.01 | streuner_ | !ops Lunatic is a on-join spammer |
| 06:22.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Lunatic is a on-join spammer |
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| 06:22.30 | BrianAnthony | wow |
| 06:22.32 | streuner_ | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 06:22.35 | BrianAnthony | that was fast |
| 06:22.47 | goonie | anybody been having problems with a recent sarge update and lvm2? |
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| 06:23.35 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: np |
| 06:23.51 | dondelelcaro | goonie: if they were, there would be a bug filed. |
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| 06:24.18 | sep | goonie: you didnt happen to do a kernel update ? so that your inird was recreated ? |
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| 06:25.10 | goonie | No, sep, but I did upgrade a bunch of packages... |
| 06:25.24 | Guerin | was a kernel amongst them? |
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| 06:25.58 | goonie | I don't think so but I wouldn't rule it out... |
| 06:26.05 | goonie | something definitely changed... |
| 06:26.17 | goonie | it was working, now it's not :( |
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| 06:26.29 | tk3000 | <tk3000> hi folk, i dont remember and i am in doubt about the steps to install a usb trackball, i am assuming the same steps as for a mouse, such as: input.o, mousedev.o, and input.o. |
| 06:26.29 | tk3000 | [02:29]<tk3000> and since i have a ps2 mouse too, i do: gpm -k ; pm -m /dev/input/mice -t imps2 -M -m /dev/psaux -t ps2 -R imps2 |
| 06:26.29 | tk3000 | [02:30]<tk3000> anyone can see what i am missing, please? |
| 06:26.39 | sep | goonie: you can usualy see that in the grub boot, if you have a new kernel. also you can there try a older kernel |
| 06:27.32 | sep | tk3000: have you loaded usbmouse module? |
| 06:27.33 | goonie | hmmm. Will try an older kernel. |
| 06:27.55 | goonie | if that doesn't work, will come back and seek other suggestions :) |
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| 06:28.20 | sep | goonie: anyway if you have a root on lvm setup i _seriously_ recomend having a bootfloppy laying around with the nessesary modules to boot your system |
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| 06:30.41 | benjamindees | anyone on Woody with a full set of cds who can tell me which one has the shorewall package? |
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| 06:31.06 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: why not just download the package? |
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| 06:32.00 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, short answer, because of debsums |
| 06:32.29 | goonie | nope, kernel 2.6.8 won't boot either... |
| 06:32.38 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: eh? what does debsums have to do with installing the package you download from a Debian mirror? |
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| 06:32.43 | sep | goonie: and the error message you get is ? |
| 06:32.47 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, long answer, because I'd like to have a chain of authority for audit purposes |
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| 06:33.26 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: that's fine, document the fact that you downloaded the package from a specific place, and check the md5sum of the package against the signed .dsc |
| 06:33.27 | goonie | I can't write them down fast enough, nor can I read the kernel logs as the log partition is one of the ones that won't mount :( |
| 06:33.37 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: there's really nothing magical about the cds themselves |
| 06:33.59 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, they have md5sums |
| 06:34.09 | goonie | but I know I'll have to try to get the errors somehow to solve the problem ... |
| 06:34.24 | sep | goonie: well boot with console on serialport and log that, or the less fancy way, use your' videocamera /phonecamera /whatever to video the boot and read it there |
| 06:34.34 | maher | benjamindees: so do most packages |
| 06:35.02 | benjamindees | maher, I've seen too many that don't :( |
| 06:35.12 | goonie | sep: that's what I'm going to try next... |
| 06:35.23 | maher | benjamindees: use debsums |
| 06:35.30 | goonie | I mean the the camera, not the serial console thing... |
| 06:35.51 | maher | benjamindees: every file has an md5sum... |
| 06:35.55 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: every package has an md5sum, and a signed .dsc. Otherwise it can't be in the archive. |
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| 06:36.40 | Guerin | you think debian lets unsigned code in? |
| 06:36.42 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:36.47 | Guerin | that's a goody |
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| 06:40.57 | carnage | do you need to know how dpkg works if you know how apt works? |
| 06:41.20 | caphuso | carnage: ocasionally |
| 06:41.44 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, well I was trying to create a semblance of an audit trail without resorting to checking signatures |
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| 06:41.52 | glutinous | i am thinking mainly when packages screw up |
| 06:42.02 | streuner_ | carnage: apt-get is the tool which get the packages, dpkg is the tool which manipulate the packages |
| 06:42.21 | carnage | ah, that makes more sense, thanks |
| 06:42.36 | mngrif | what media player can handle wmv and wma formats? |
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| 06:42.54 | maher | benjamindees: what version of debian |
| 06:42.59 | Guerin | mngrif: any one which can use w32codecs |
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| 06:43.09 | benjamindees | maher, 3.0r4 |
| 06:43.10 | streuner_ | mngrif: xine, mplayer, vlc... |
| 06:43.17 | Guerin | mngrif: /msg dpkg marillat for said codecs; choose cine or mplayer |
| 06:43.22 | Guerin | s/cine/xine/ |
| 06:43.34 | mngrif | thank you Guerin, streuner_ |
| 06:43.34 | maher | benjamindees: then the packages on the net should be the same as on the cd + security |
| 06:43.42 | benjamindees | Guerin, actually I knew the packages themselves weren't signed, so I wasn't sure how to go about checking that sort of thing |
| 06:44.08 | Guerin | the packages on p.d.o are built automatically from signed source packages |
| 06:44.12 | maher | benjamindees: the newest version of apt (in experimental?) has support for sig checking afaik |
| 06:44.22 | abel_ | hi all , sorry to bother but i'm looking for a c++ channel and the /list command just flood me ... does anyone know the name of such a channel ? |
| 06:44.26 | Guerin | if you use an official mirror, they propagate automatically |
| 06:44.44 | Guerin | there is a clear chain of authentication here |
| 06:44.53 | Guerin | abel_: #c++ ? |
| 06:45.07 | abel_ | guerin lol trying |
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| 06:45.45 | Guerin | one more class |
| 06:45.49 | Guerin | *sigh* |
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| 06:47.04 | kronoman | can I disable the fam daemon ? is safe to do it ? |
| 06:47.14 | directhex | as long as you don't use kde |
| 06:47.23 | directhex | or k* |
| 06:47.30 | maher | kronoman: you can probably make it listen on localhost only |
| 06:47.53 | kronoman | I'm trying to improve my boot up time disabling stuff at startup |
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| 06:50.14 | kronoman | and lpd can be disabled ? |
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| 06:51.31 | sep | kronoman: try man lpd then when you know what it does, you decide for yourself if you need it or not, |
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| 06:51.59 | benjamindees | I have kde installed without fam, seems to work okay |
| 06:52.15 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 06:53.19 | kronoman | I don't have the man page, that's why I'm wondering why does that daemon |
| 06:53.22 | kronoman | *what |
| 06:53.32 | benjamindees | lpd is for printers |
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| 06:54.13 | kronoman | what is not clear is if I can remove it, or cups will stop working |
| 06:54.22 | jm_ | you can use lpd for other things too ;) |
| 06:54.42 | maher | kronoman: why not remove it - if anything breaks put it back |
| 06:54.46 | mike | hi, how would i go about installing video4linux? i was following www.aboutdebian.com's page on webcams bit i couldn't find it using modconf |
| 06:54.47 | benjamindees | what? remote access ? ;) |
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| 06:55.30 | jm_ | there's an article explaining how to use lpd to play mp3-s remotely |
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| 06:56.26 | caphuso | uhm |
| 06:57.05 | streuner_ | jm_: as long it isn't classic, why not? :-) |
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| 06:57.50 | kronoman | mmm, I used rcconf to remove the daemons, but is not clear in which runlevel it removes the daemons |
| 06:58.01 | maher | kronoman: just remove the package |
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| 06:59.18 | kronoman | I may need it later :o |
| 06:59.35 | maher | kronoman: then reinstall it |
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| 06:59.52 | mike | how would i go about installing video4linux? |
| 07:00.07 | kronoman | well, I'm going to do it by hand, rm to all the /etc/rc?.d/that_i_dont_like |
| 07:00.09 | kronoman | thanks for help |
| 07:00.20 | maher | kronoman: use update-rc.d then |
| 07:00.37 | jm_ | kronoman: or sysv-rc-conf |
| 07:00.41 | mesfet | Hi all. I would download debian sarge, but using official jigdo (dated March 23th), I get a lot of "file not found". Could you suggest me a way to download the latest sarge on DVD iso? |
| 07:01.05 | directhex | mesfet, why do you want a dvd iso? |
| 07:01.22 | directhex | mike, v4l is part of the kernel |
| 07:01.25 | jetscreamer | apt-get install v4l or something |
| 07:01.41 | jetscreamer | there is also a program isn't there |
| 07:02.00 | directhex | no |
| 07:02.02 | mesfet | directhex: because I would only one ore two media within all software. I've not a broadband internet connection to use internet repository. |
| 07:02.15 | mike | directhex: ok, well how do i get it to recognise my webcam? |
| 07:02.24 | directhex | jetscreamer, v4l is like OSS. |
| 07:02.48 | directhex | mike, you load the webcam kernel module(s) |
| 07:03.08 | mike | directhex: ok, thats using modconf right? |
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| 07:03.38 | carnage | what is some good software for streaming internet radio? |
| 07:03.55 | mike | carnage: icecast |
| 07:04.34 | kronoman | what was the meaning of the letter in the symlinks of rc?.d |
| 07:04.37 | kronoman | like S, K, etc |
| 07:04.46 | pR0sp3ct | i have a question .. im installing debian and i get error : unexpected inconsistency run fsck manually with out-a or -p options but then it goes on and says file systemn is mounted read only |
| 07:04.46 | cafuego | Start Kill |
| 07:04.56 | kronoman | there was others, like stop, right ? |
| 07:05.00 | cafuego | pR0sp3ct: Yes. Did you have an actual question? |
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| 07:05.28 | pR0sp3ct | yeah whats the problem and whats the source ? |
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| 07:06.15 | cafuego | pR0sp3ct: The poblem is your disk. The filesystem is busted. You need to fix it by hand by running fsck without the -a or -p optuions. Like it says. |
| 07:06.39 | cafuego | kronoman: 'S' runs at startup, 'K' runs at shutdown. |
| 07:06.45 | pR0sp3ct | it says type control-D for startup its not ctrl+D is it |
| 07:07.02 | sep | it is |
| 07:07.03 | cafuego | pR0sp3ct: No, it says to enter the root password. Enter it, then run fsck. |
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| 07:07.19 | pR0sp3ct | yes exactly |
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| 07:07.30 | cafuego | pR0sp3ct: Well, do as it says. How hard is that? |
| 07:07.30 | kronoman | ok, thanks |
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| 07:07.47 | pR0sp3ct | i enter the password i used during install no go |
| 07:08.02 | pR0sp3ct | i guess reinstall maybe |
| 07:08.05 | cafuego | pR0sp3ct: Check for capslock and/or capitalisation. |
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| 07:08.19 | cafuego | pR0sp3ct: If it still work work, a reinstall is probably your best bet. |
| 07:08.20 | pR0sp3ct | right ok thnx ;-) |
| 07:08.42 | douglas | Everytime I try to remove exim4 with apt-get remove exim4 it spits out a bunch of example config files from exim and also when it boots up. How do I remove it by hand? |
| 07:08.42 | pR0sp3ct | thnx |
| 07:09.01 | cafuego | douglas: apt-get install postfix exim4- |
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| 07:09.19 | LAS | OLA+ |
| 07:09.21 | douglas | thanks |
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| 07:09.44 | LAS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.45 | cafuego | !es |
| 07:09.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 07:09.50 | cafuego | !rima LAS |
| 07:09.51 | dpkg | LAS: Si usted no puede hablar ingles, va el #debian-es o apenas sale. |
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| 07:11.00 | douglas | cafuego , that didn't work for me, it told be about some dependency problems. |
| 07:11.32 | cafuego | douglas: is your machine half-upgraded or soemthing? 'run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' then try agaib. |
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| 07:12.34 | LAS | OLAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 07:14.07 | cafuego | It's so sad that my assumption about rima-tde.net users is correct |
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| 07:15.21 | cafuego | !redhat crap |
| 07:15.21 | dpkg | somebody said redhat crap was 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid) |
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| 07:16.08 | douglas | oh, that could be it. |
| 07:16.35 | smagy2 | hello folks, not sure if this a distribution independent question, how do you find out what is the current run level of the system, i.e i ssh into a remote system and i want to know what is the run level it is at, init doesn't seem to have options to query for run level. i am running deadrat and in the process of switching it to debian |
| 07:16.57 | maher | smagy2: runlevel |
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| 07:17.25 | smagy2 | maher: thanks |
| 07:18.22 | smagy2 | i have a problem of not being able to kill a process called gdm-binary, every time i kill it it forks into a new process, gdm-stop doesn't work, i was wondering if it had to do with the run level and switching to runlevel 3 might help |
| 07:18.40 | treestone | smagy2: If you're switching to Debian: Note that in debian there are no differences between runlevels, except for standalone vs. multiuser. |
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| 07:18.43 | jm_ | smagy2: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 07:19.00 | maher | smagy2: try /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 07:19.43 | jm_ | zignig: which CPU did you get? |
| 07:19.50 | smagy2 | maher: unfortunatly ls: /etc/init.d/gdm: No such file or directory , that is why this circus of killing it |
| 07:19.54 | zignig | jm_: +2800 |
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| 07:20.21 | maher | smagy2: is this a debian box? |
| 07:20.25 | jm_ | zignig: ahh the slowest one ;) |
| 07:20.36 | zignig | jm_: budget ;( |
| 07:20.42 | smagy2 | maher: not it is not, i am trying to convert it into one |
| 07:20.55 | zignig | jm_: it's faster than than the PII 600 i'm running at the moment ;) |
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| 07:20.58 | maher | smagy2: remotely? |
| 07:21.20 | smagy2 | maher: it runs deadrat (gulp) and no help in deadrat forums, so falling back to the most helpful forums of debian :D |
| 07:21.36 | jm_ | zignig: sure, it's still a great CPU, I am still with XP 1700 |
| 07:21.38 | maher | smagy2: are you trying to convert a box remotely? |
| 07:21.50 | treestone | smagy2: Maybe that system has stuff in /etc/inittab which respawns gdm |
| 07:22.19 | benjamindees | redhat runs X in runlevel 5, init 3 to stop it |
| 07:22.32 | smagy2 | maher: yes, the other machine is sitting miles away and can't access it and there is no one knowledgeable there to simply install debian over the current one |
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| 07:22.56 | smagy2 | treestone: will look there |
| 07:22.58 | maher | smagy2: it is most likely you will just get the box in to a non-bootable state |
| 07:23.06 | zignig | jm_: is it stable enough ? |
| 07:23.07 | smagy2 | ben: thanks |
| 07:23.18 | zignig | jm_: running debian that is .... :) |
| 07:23.25 | treestone | smagy2: Also what benjamindees said above |
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| 07:23.45 | smagy2 | maher: he he he, something that i have to risk, if it work great, otherwise will drive down, the experience of changing is something i am looking into |
| 07:23.52 | jm_ | zignig: of course |
| 07:23.57 | smagy2 | treestone: yes i did read that |
| 07:24.11 | zignig | jm_: are you running it as a desktop or a server ? |
| 07:24.51 | smagy2 | maher, ben, treestone: thanks to you folks |
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| 07:26.48 | jm_ | zignig: it's my computer at home, so it's a workstation |
| 07:26.58 | Cayenne | helow |
| 07:27.13 | Cayenne | i have a problem |
| 07:27.14 | Cayenne | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed! |
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| 07:27.27 | Cayenne | i have debian 3.0 |
| 07:27.36 | smagy2 | is there an official debian howto of backporting software to stable tree, http://gnustep.ethz.ch/pub/debian-backports/utils/Backport-HOWTO.html is what i got when i searched google. i need the software tripwire, but it is not there in stable tree |
| 07:27.47 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: what exactly did you do to get that message? |
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| 07:28.03 | Cayenne | tar |
| 07:28.06 | Cayenne | gzip |
| 07:28.06 | zignig | jm_: cool, mine will be the same. |
| 07:28.31 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: so you type 'tar' then press return, and you get that error message? |
| 07:28.49 | ledestin | smagy2: 1. no idea about guide 2. apt-get.org 3. I use integrit |
| 07:28.49 | jm_ | zignig: I might buy something new in the autumn |
| 07:28.55 | Cayenne | yup |
| 07:29.12 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: has tar ever worked on that box? or have you always got that message? |
| 07:29.17 | zignig | jm_: antoher amd64 ? |
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| 07:29.34 | Cayenne | nope |
| 07:29.40 | Cayenne | a week a go |
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| 07:29.58 | jm_ | zignig: the current one is not 64, it's the old athlon xp - but yeah, new one will most likely be Athlon64 |
| 07:30.02 | starscalling | bids irc nn |
| 07:30.16 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: "nope, a week ago" is not an answer to the either of the questions I asked. |
| 07:30.40 | SlayerXP | jm_: there's no point buying anything other than AMD64 now. |
| 07:30.40 | Cayenne | yes i't did |
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| 07:31.30 | zignig | jm_: ah, i will report my findings here. |
| 07:31.37 | zignig | SlayerXP: just got a new one ;) |
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| 07:31.56 | SlayerXP | zignig: my home workstation is a dual opteron 242 :) |
| 07:31.58 | smagy2 | ledestin: thank you for the info |
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| 07:32.46 | Cayenne | SlayerXP do you know how to help me with this |
| 07:32.55 | zignig | SlayerXP: wow ! , p.s. YOU SUCK :) |
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| 07:33.00 | zignig | SlayerXP: any good ? |
| 07:33.10 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: I can't help you if you don't answer my questions. |
| 07:33.19 | caphuso | and my penis is 2m long |
| 07:33.25 | SlayerXP | zignig: well, yes :) |
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| 07:33.29 | zignig | SlayerXP: I hope you are doing some serious 3d or stats work with that. |
| 07:33.33 | Guerin | caphuso: that's not very useful |
| 07:33.40 | SlayerXP | zignig: well, I'm playing games |
| 07:34.03 | SlayerXP | caphuso: be nice. I didn't mention the 2 250gb sata drives, nor the 3ware 4 channel raid controller, nor the radeon 9800xt |
| 07:34.04 | zignig | SlayerXP: 3d work then ;P |
| 07:34.04 | Cayenne | i did ... :) |
| 07:34.07 | pR0sp3ct | slayerXP 242 246 or ? |
| 07:34.14 | SlayerXP | err 4 250gb SATA drives |
| 07:34.21 | SlayerXP | pR0sp3ct: as I said, 242 |
| 07:34.29 | pR0sp3ct | ok i misread |
| 07:34.40 | pR0sp3ct | oops me out on that one ehh |
| 07:34.47 | zignig | SlayerXP: I hope its running debian. |
| 07:34.56 | Guerin | it's running windowsxp, silly |
| 07:34.58 | SlayerXP | zignig: yup, debian-amd64 |
| 07:35.04 | SlayerXP | and windows xp |
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| 07:35.08 | Guerin | otherwise how could he play games? |
| 07:35.12 | zignig | Guerin: <joke error> |
| 07:35.26 | pR0sp3ct | i want 250 myself |
| 07:35.28 | Guerin | zignig: nope, troll error |
| 07:35.34 | zignig | Guerin: minesweeper would run real fast. |
| 07:35.43 | benjamindees | in his xbox emulator of course... |
| 07:35.44 | zignig | Guerin: :P |
| 07:35.53 | Guerin | zignig: gnugo might be pplayable in real time |
| 07:35.58 | Cayenne | SlayerXP please |
| 07:36.18 | zignig | Guerin: heh, realtime povray prehaps. |
| 07:36.21 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: let's try again: has tar ever worked on that box? or have you always got that message? |
| 07:36.42 | SlayerXP | povray is pretty nippy |
| 07:37.02 | Cayenne | yes i't did work |
| 07:37.03 | zignig | SlayerXP: a red sphere in zooooooooom... |
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| 07:37.21 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: what did you change in the time between it working and not working? |
| 07:37.44 | Cayenne | me... nothing |
| 07:37.53 | zignig | SlayerXP: did you compile povray yourself or is there a 64 bit version. |
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| 07:38.08 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: then your box has been hacked, you need to unplug it from the network, wipe the disk and reinstall. |
| 07:38.25 | SlayerXP | zignig: dunno, using the windows version |
| 07:38.35 | Cayenne | i can't do that |
| 07:38.53 | idnar | SlayerXP: don't you think that's somewhat of a drastic assumption? |
| 07:39.01 | SlayerXP | idnar: no. |
| 07:39.06 | Cayenne | the "hacker" instaled a psy |
| 07:39.06 | Stripes | what do you guys use as a ram checking diagnostic program? |
| 07:39.07 | zignig | SlayerXP: ah, I'll have to have a look. I've got a M$ free house at the mo , and I want to keep it like that. |
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| 07:39.36 | benjamindees | Stripes, apt-get install memtest86 |
| 07:39.38 | Cayenne | that problem is fix't |
| 07:39.45 | Stripes | cool.. thanks |
| 07:40.00 | SlayerXP | idnar: you may imagine me as having a smug grin on my face now :) |
| 07:40.07 | idnar | SlayerXP: heh |
| 07:40.41 | Guerin | oh jesus |
| 07:40.50 | SlayerXP | Guerin: can I help? :) |
| 07:40.57 | Guerin | i just caught yesterday's /. article about robots on the DMZ in korea |
| 07:41.23 | Guerin | annd out come the raving nutters who think that either side can win this war with weapons... again |
| 07:41.25 | zignig | Guerin: you reckon they obey the three laws ? |
| 07:41.31 | Guerin | zignig: which three? |
| 07:41.38 | benjamindees | heh |
| 07:41.43 | zignig | Guerin: asimov's |
| 07:42.08 | Guerin | zignig: i don't give much of a dsmn about the robots, i'm talking about the "teh US shld go n attack wed win were teh toughest lol |
| 07:42.12 | Guerin | " |
| 07:42.24 | prodope | i need to change apaches user from www-data to www... how would i add that user with proper permissions so apache starts alright? |
| 07:42.27 | prodope | just with adduser? |
| 07:42.33 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: so your question should have actually been. "Hi, my box was broken in to and someone installed some software. I think I've removed the software but I get this strange error message when trying to run programs. <insert error message> here. what's the best way to fix this problem?" |
| 07:42.52 | zignig | Guerin: ahh , "I gonna dispence me some democracy" attitude. |
| 07:42.58 | Guerin | zignig: and it's quite clear that they don't obey the three laws |
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| 07:43.15 | Hackel | Is make-jpkg from java-package supposed to produce a bunch of permission denied errors when extracting the java file as a user? These files it attempts to install to /etc and /usr/share don't end up in the generated deb package. |
| 07:43.25 | SlayerXP | Hackel: use fakeroot |
| 07:43.25 | zignig | Guerin: I'll need to tag my jokes more. |
| 07:43.30 | Hackel | SlayerXP: I did. |
| 07:43.40 | Guerin | zignig: yeah |
| 07:43.43 | SlayerXP | that's odd then |
| 07:43.43 | toukitsune | Anyone use Autofs package? I am wondering if that works with CDs and sutch and if you can just insert CD and use it automaticly and then press the eject button and it auto unmounts |
| 07:43.47 | Guerin | <duh> |
| 07:43.57 | caphuso | toukitsune: no |
| 07:44.02 | Cayenne | yes SlayerXP |
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| 07:44.15 | Cayenne | you'r right |
| 07:44.21 | yoc | how to browse .c file instead of download? |
| 07:44.26 | Guerin | toukitsune: you want the supermount kernel patch |
| 07:44.40 | caphuso | or that sub thingie |
| 07:44.46 | caphuso | err, submount thingie |
| 07:44.55 | Guerin | yoc: um, you do have to download it anyway, you realise |
| 07:44.56 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: you need to unplug it from the network, wipe the disk and reinstall. |
| 07:45.09 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: there is no other way of dealing with a compromised box. |
| 07:45.15 | Guerin | cafuego: thank you, sir, may I have another? |
| 07:45.20 | Cayenne | the box is a network server |
| 07:45.23 | Cayenne | and router |
| 07:45.23 | cafuego | !rima Guerin |
| 07:45.24 | dpkg | Guerin: Si usted no puede hablar ingles, va el #debian-es o apenas sale. |
| 07:45.26 | toukitsune | Guerin: is this patch in a package or is it non debian |
| 07:45.30 | Cayenne | i can't do that |
| 07:45.32 | Cayenne | :( |
| 07:45.40 | yoc | Guerin, i mean view in browser |
| 07:45.41 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: why can't you do that? |
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| 07:45.43 | Guerin | toukitsune: it's a kernel patch, I don't believe it's in debian. |
| 07:45.56 | Guerin | yoc: control your browser, don't alllow it to control you. |
| 07:46.06 | cafuego | Cayenne: if the box got compromised it's not a network server but a liability. |
| 07:46.12 | SlayerXP | in soviet russia, the kernel patches you. |
| 07:46.15 | Guerin | well |
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| 07:46.21 | Guerin | it's not serving YOUR network any more |
| 07:46.22 | yoc | Guerin, i want the .htaccess to tell the browser some files are text |
| 07:46.40 | cafuego | yoc: AddType .c text/plain |
| 07:47.16 | Guerin | yoc: you can set specific access stuff on a per-dir basis |
| 07:47.16 | cafuego | yoc: But the server should do that already |
| 07:47.17 | Guerin | yoc: but you didn't say that - you asked how to do it from client-side |
| 07:47.19 | toukitsune | well what I am looking for is something that will still mount the drive and then detect when I press the eject button and unmount the drive |
| 07:47.35 | Guerin | !different answer |
| 07:47.35 | dpkg | You only get one answer per question. You've had yours. If you want a different answer, ask a different question. Thank you for your cooperation, HAND. |
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| 07:48.14 | iMeXdiAC | could anyone help me set up a network bridge wlan/ethernet as i cant get it to work or do i have to compile a kernel as the default one doesnt support that ?? im on 2.6.10 |
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| 07:48.47 | Cayenne | the problem can i't be fix without unplug the box SlayerXP |
| 07:48.50 | Cayenne | ? |
| 07:48.53 | tosh| | any way of restarting X but keeping my X running programs open? any way to detach them from the X parent process? |
| 07:48.55 | Guerin | Cayenne: no. |
| 07:48.58 | toukitsune | well I am just asking differently cause I googled supermount and doesn't match what I am looking for |
| 07:49.02 | Cayenne | :( |
| 07:49.10 | Guerin | Cayenne: it's like the joke about the lightbulb and the pregnant woman |
| 07:49.10 | SlayerXP | Cayenne: of course not. |
| 07:49.30 | Cayenne | :P |
| 07:49.35 | jm_ | tosh|: you can use xmove, but you'd have to start them that way, or X-Ray |
| 07:49.53 | yoc | cafuego, addtype text/plain .c ? |
| 07:50.03 | tosh| | jm_ I'll check it out, thanks |
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| 07:50.12 | benjamindees | Cayenne, anything you could even theoretically do to recover would involve shutting it off and booting from reliable media |
| 07:50.57 | Cayenne | mabe |
| 07:51.04 | Guerin | no maybe about it |
| 07:51.10 | Guerin | no mabe either |
| 07:51.30 | cafuego | Cayenne: 1) Remove box from network. 2) Wipe box.3 ) Restore box from backup. 4) Plug box into network. |
| 07:51.39 | cafuego | Cayenne: if you can't do that, ask your boss to fire you. |
| 07:51.46 | zignig | cafuego: 3) is the problem most of the time. |
| 07:51.46 | Cayenne | i'l do that |
| 07:51.47 | Cayenne | :) |
| 07:51.48 | caphuso | 2.5) make sure your backup isn't compromised |
| 07:51.51 | SlayerXP | cafuego: be serious, the poor chap has enough on his plate as is |
| 07:52.08 | zignig | -1) make sure you have backups. |
| 07:52.19 | Guerin | zignig: that would be step 0 |
| 07:52.22 | caphuso | zignig: what's 0)? |
| 07:52.32 | cafuego | if you don't have backups, be prepared to play with debsums for a long time. |
| 07:52.35 | dpblnt | benjamindees, why can't Cayenne 's machine be reinstalled the way he lists all packages and reinstall them one by one, or with md5sum he can find the changed bins, and replace it with the official ones? |
| 07:52.48 | caphuso | you can't trust debsums |
| 07:52.53 | SlayerXP | dpblnt: how does he know he can trust debsums? |
| 07:52.55 | Guerin | dpblnt: you think hackers use debian packages? |
| 07:53.05 | cafuego | dpblnt: Was md5sum patched? Was the kernel patched to make sure md5sum returns other values? |
| 07:53.06 | benjamindees | dpblnt, basically because you can't trust anything running on the machine currently |
| 07:53.09 | SlayerXP | apt-get install ownj00rboxen |
| 07:53.42 | cafuego | You can cross your fixngers and hope the hacker was a retard and used a well known exploit and a rootkit. |
| 07:53.52 | dpblnt | Guerin, no, that's the point. |
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| 07:54.01 | benjamindees | dpblnt, you could do that if you booted from trusted media |
| 07:54.03 | zignig | cafuego: 0) switch on computer/ |
| 07:54.04 | dpblnt | SlayerXP, so start with debsum, than |
| 07:54.12 | zignig | caphuso: you rather. ;0 |
| 07:54.13 | Guerin | no way |
| 07:54.17 | cafuego | dpblnt: No, start with unplugging. |
| 07:54.21 | Guerin | !aliensmite Cayenne's box |
| 07:54.32 | cafuego | Better st0ck perfOrmance frOm Otc he|pline |
| 07:54.42 | caphuso | dpblnt: debsums is useless in that situation |
| 07:54.49 | dpblnt | cafuego, allright, that's what i'd do, just being curious. |
| 07:54.50 | caphuso | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0203/msg02337.html |
| 07:55.04 | bob2 | cafuego: come to lca |
| 07:55.11 | Cayenne | loool |
| 07:55.12 | cafuego | bob2: When is that again? |
| 07:55.16 | bob2 | cafuego: monday |
| 07:55.20 | dpblnt | caphuso, why would it be? if you clean your apt cache, and redownload all? |
| 07:55.24 | cafuego | Hmm. |
| 07:55.31 | Overand | Cayenne: i'm sure someone here will be willing to get your ass off the line for $2,000USD |
| 07:55.36 | cafuego | bob2: I'll ask the boss. Wouldn't count on it, though. |
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| 07:55.48 | bob2 | cafuego: maybe you could ask the missus instead? |
| 07:55.52 | caphuso | dpblnt: because it relies on data installed on the compromised box |
| 07:55.53 | bob2 | oh, wait! |
| 07:55.59 | caphuso | dpblnt: which means: untrusted data |
| 07:56.13 | caphuso | dpblnt: which directly leads to the final conclusion: useless |
| 07:56.58 | SlayerXP | i was only once foolish enough to try to "fix" a compromised box. |
| 07:57.07 | dpblnt | caphuso, so you'd not trust anything on that machine, nor /etc/, nor mail spool? (wich are data, and nutrustable) |
| 07:57.17 | caphuso | dpblnt: not if the box has been compromised |
| 07:57.23 | cafuego | SlayerXP: I've fixed a compromised box once. |
| 07:57.30 | dpblnt | SlayerXP, how did it end? |
| 07:57.41 | cafuego | SlayerXP: Fixed it by running fdisk from a debian woody cd |
| 07:57.45 | SlayerXP | dpblnt: the guy who broke in was better than me. |
| 07:57.53 | cafuego | piece of redcrap got bind8 wormed :-) |
| 07:57.54 | infinity_ | dpblnt: you only 'fix' it if you have something like aide running. |
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| 07:59.10 | dpblnt | infinity_, can't aide,tripwire and others be fooled? |
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| 07:59.45 | cafuego | dpblnt: Not if your binar is statically compiled and it and its checksums live on secure media. |
| 07:59.48 | infinity_ | not if you follow the insturctions and store a db off the system |
| 07:59.51 | benjamindees | anything running from compromised media can be fooled |
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| 08:00.07 | benjamindees | (including the running kernel) |
| 08:00.44 | simonrvn | cafuego: here's one to add to the list of stupid trolls (like xml support in the kernel): LDAP using UDP |
| 08:01.10 | cafuego | simonrvn: Haha, what a moron. Any sane human would use LDAP via NetBIOS |
| 08:01.21 | simonrvn | ha! |
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| 08:01.40 | simonrvn | might as well add that one too to the list :P |
| 08:01.54 | tosh| | anyone know of a reverse proxy for telnet? |
| 08:01.54 | cafuego | simonrvn: Did you ask him what his client would do after receiving only half the auth data? |
| 08:02.18 | dondelelcaro | tosh|: a what? |
| 08:02.22 | simonrvn | nah, he got kickbanned before i got there |
| 08:02.30 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: a reverse proxy for telnet |
| 08:02.42 | simonrvn | eew |
| 08:02.53 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: this must be something like a sinister spanner |
| 08:03.20 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I don't have one of those, I'm right handed. |
| 08:03.36 | infinity_ | P |
| 08:04.02 | benjamindees | tosh|, why not forwarding? |
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| 08:04.15 | tosh| | benjamindees I need extensive logging |
| 08:04.19 | dpblnt | tosh|, would revsh be what you're looking for? |
| 08:04.27 | tosh| | benjamindees to keep an eye on cisco people |
| 08:04.35 | benjamindees | tosh|, heh |
| 08:04.37 | tosh| | dpblnt I'll check it out |
| 08:04.39 | bob2 | hahhaha |
| 08:04.42 | bob2 | telnet proxy |
| 08:04.43 | bob2 | haha |
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| 08:05.06 | cafuego | Maybe he means keylogger |
| 08:05.07 | benjamindees | tosh|, you can log with a packet sniffer, but piecing it back together might not be fun |
| 08:05.21 | bob2 | you're thinking too complicated |
| 08:05.21 | Dewi | telnet's mostly plaintext |
| 08:05.21 | dpblnt | tosh|, no, it;s not, sorry. |
| 08:05.30 | bob2 | make them run it through a port you have netcat on |
| 08:05.36 | cafuego | tosh|: or just disable telnet, that'll make sure they don't do anything naughty. |
| 08:05.58 | tosh| | benjamindees I need extensive logging for each session, ipaddress, user, etc... and a filter that dissallows all "telnet" sessions from router to router |
| 08:06.09 | tosh| | cafuego I would, but I don't have a choice here :) |
| 08:06.21 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: ttysnoop, I would hazard |
| 08:06.27 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I think it means a port forwarder that can log or something stupid |
| 08:06.33 | zignig | dondelelcaro: single ip to internal computers, is what a reverse proxy is used for. |
| 08:06.34 | tosh| | if I was to write something like this, where would I start? could I base it on an existing project, if so, which one? |
| 08:06.38 | tosh| | screen? |
| 08:06.55 | dondelelcaro | zignig: yes, that's typically called a load balancer.. but I've no clue what that has to do with what tosh| is talking about |
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| 08:07.39 | cafuego | tosh|: if you don't trust who is given telnet access, don't give them access. End of story. |
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| 08:07.45 | briareus | greetings |
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| 08:08.05 | stouset | What happened to DWN? :-( |
| 08:08.07 | tosh| | cafuego I wish it were that simple... its not about not-trusting, its about detecting internal threats and auditing |
| 08:08.22 | Dewi | tosh|: stopping some hosts from telnetting to eachother is a job for iptables |
| 08:08.28 | benjamindees | cafuego, corporate politics sucks |
| 08:08.31 | streuner | stouset: subscribe to debian-news |
| 08:08.45 | tosh| | Dewi not it its inter-subnet traffic |
| 08:08.46 | dondelelcaro | streuner: it's not tuesday yet? |
| 08:08.49 | tosh| | s/it/if |
| 08:08.50 | bob2 | "internal threats"? |
| 08:08.57 | dondelelcaro | s/streuner/stouset/ |
| 08:08.59 | bob2 | your router admins are possibly hostile?!?@!@ |
| 08:09.07 | briareus | i just finished a fresh install of sarge from the 100M installer ... every single package i install returns this error: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 08:09.07 | briareus | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 08:09.07 | briareus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.07 | briareus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.07 | briareus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:09.18 | briareus | sorry |
| 08:09.18 | Dewi | tosh|: ... why not? |
| 08:09.21 | dondelelcaro | briareus: dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build your locale. |
| 08:09.32 | dondelelcaro | briareus: hint: you need to build en_US, and probably en_GB. |
| 08:09.32 | briareus | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 08:09.34 | stouset | streuner: thanks |
| 08:09.35 | streuner | briareus: or apt-get install localconf |
| 08:09.36 | benjamindees | bob2, he's the router admin, it's the server admins who are out to get him :) |
| 08:09.38 | Dewi | tosh|: iptables knows what a subnet is. |
| 08:09.42 | streuner | briareus: or apt-get install localeconf |
| 08:09.57 | spo0nman | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.05 | briareus | thank you both |
| 08:10.06 | tosh| | dewi <untrusted bunch of cisco admins> ------ <rev proxy> ----- bunch of cisco routers |
| 08:10.10 | spo0nman | oops |
| 08:10.12 | stouset | dondelelcaro: I was talking about last week's. Wasn't on the site. Didn't realize the authoritative version was on a mailing list. |
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| 08:10.21 | tosh| | dewi I need logging of their commands... where does iptables come in? |
| 08:10.31 | briareus | streuner, manage locales with debconf? |
| 08:10.36 | Dewi | tosh|: you said you needed to stop telnetting from one router to another |
| 08:10.47 | dondelelcaro | stouset: oh... sorry, I'm subscribed so didn't even think about the website |
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| 08:11.16 | streuner | briareus: localeconf download due depends. locales as well and initiate the dpkg-reconfigure locales then... |
| 08:11.25 | spo0nman | How good is the support for ppc? Im considering a powerbook g4. I have never used anything other then i386 in my life. |
| 08:11.37 | Dewi | tosh|: you could probably rig up a telnetd to use some custom thing instead of bash |
| 08:11.43 | streuner | briareus: but dondelelcaro's advice is much more detailed |
| 08:11.46 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: relatively good. Some parts of the hardware aren't supported though, so be aware of that |
| 08:11.46 | bob2 | spo0nman: fine |
| 08:11.48 | briareus | streuner, ok, but this question i asked you is the first one it asks me upon installing localeconf |
| 08:11.57 | Dewi | tosh|: the custom thing being a program that logs, and passes through another telnet client to wherever |
| 08:11.59 | briareus | so i am thinking you mean i should answer yes |
| 08:11.59 | bob2 | spo0nman: but bear in mind broadcom is stupid and don't document the airport extreme chipset |
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| 08:12.17 | bob2 | spo0nman: so no builtin wireless on modern g4 laptops under linux |
| 08:12.19 | fooz | spo0nman, poor. no amount of software support can make expensive PPC hardware keep up with cheap i386 hardware :) |
| 08:12.19 | spo0nman | bob2: which mean no wireless? |
| 08:12.44 | spo0nman | fooz: but it looks so darn good. :D |
| 08:12.46 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: no, you still have a PC card slot |
| 08:12.53 | Dewi | tosh|: so the telnetd starts the logger which starts a telnet client, and the guys see none of this, they don't realise there are two steps |
| 08:12.55 | briareus | i want to do both, for my education. Im hoping the advice you two gave me is not mutually exclusive |
| 08:13.03 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro: that sucks |
| 08:13.22 | bob2 | spo0nman: if you get a 15" or 17" powerbook, you can get a pcmcia wireless card |
| 08:13.23 | bob2 | spo0nman: but ibooks and 12" powerbooks don't have pcmcia |
| 08:13.27 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: *shrug* if you have the powerbook I have, you just use the orinico card, and it works. |
| 08:13.40 | bob2 | spo0nman: sleep (=suspend-to-ram) is a bit dodgy on nvidia-base cards |
| 08:13.42 | Dewi | tosh|: that way you don't have to try and unravel the whole complicated options negotiation stuff |
| 08:13.44 | bob2 | s/cards/laptops/ |
| 08:13.52 | spo0nman | ok let me rephrase the question. I have never used ppc in my life iv been using debian for 8 years. does the powerbook makes sense for me except the good looks? |
| 08:14.02 | tosh| | dewi that would be the way to do it, yea, only thing to figure out now is how do I make them select a host |
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| 08:14.09 | fooz | spo0nman, are you rich? |
| 08:14.13 | tosh| | dewi although selecting a host doesn't make it transparant anymore |
| 08:14.27 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: with the exception of some hardware support issues, Debian on PPC is basically identical to Debian on i386 |
| 08:14.28 | tosh| | dewi unless I configure virtual ips that map to the real cisco ips on the other segment |
| 08:14.34 | bob2 | spo0nman: what dondelelcaro said |
| 08:14.36 | spo0nman | fooz: no very rich. but i can afford the 17" on two months sal. |
| 08:14.45 | fooz | heh |
| 08:14.53 | bob2 | fooz: ibook's are very competitively-priced with brand-name pc laptops |
| 08:15.02 | Dewi | tosh|: well, you're going to have to do some virtualising of IPs or hostnames either way |
| 08:15.08 | fooz | bob2, ehh? |
| 08:15.29 | fooz | bob2, brand-name PC laptops (and non-brand-name PC laptops for that matter) come with PCMCIA sockets :) |
| 08:15.37 | briareus | dondelelcaro, I am rebuilding the locales, last time i chose all three english ones, do i just redo that? |
| 08:15.40 | bob2 | fooz: depends if you care about that or not |
| 08:15.40 | tosh| | dewi because in http revproxies, the server you want to reach is in the Host: field, there's no such thing with telnet I think |
| 08:15.40 | fooz | i don't call that competetive |
| 08:15.46 | fooz | ibooks are toys |
| 08:15.58 | Dewi | tosh|: yes, I think that is missing |
| 08:16.07 | briareus | dondelelcaro, sorry, all three en_US |
| 08:16.09 | zignig | fooz: you reckon ? , mines been great. |
| 08:16.09 | dondelelcaro | briareus: you need to make sure you've selected en_US, probably en_US.UTF-8 and en_US.iso8859-1 |
| 08:16.24 | briareus | yeah thats what i did the first time though... ok i do it again |
| 08:16.32 | Dewi | tosh|: so you either need a reverse proxy per router, or you need to do transparent proxying stuff |
| 08:16.42 | tosh| | Dewi correct! |
| 08:16.46 | Dewi | tosh|: or you could make all the routers on same IP, different ports... |
| 08:16.50 | dondelelcaro | briareus: then, assuming they built properly, perl -e '1;' should just work. |
| 08:16.52 | Dewi | but that's probably not what they want |
| 08:17.03 | tosh| | dewi that would work, but wouldn't make it transparant anymore, but I'm willing to live with that |
| 08:17.27 | tosh| | dewi I'm pondering a ssh version as well... ssh to the rev proxy, then telnet to the designated router |
| 08:17.29 | zignig | tosh|: have a machine with ssh access for the users, log all the keystrokes , and change the access lists on the ciscos so theat the _only_ accept connections from this server. |
| 08:17.30 | Dewi | tosh|: they don't have to know you're snooping; just say it's a standard firewall |
| 08:17.51 | briareus | dondelelcaro, the three you just told me, only two of them are offered, the other is differnet, en_US.ISO 8859-15 is the different one. and there is no plain en_US |
| 08:18.31 | briareus | theres a UTF-8, the ISO 8859-1, and the -15 |
| 08:18.40 | dondelelcaro | briareus: yes, they're all subsets of en_US... so long as you build UTF-8, and 8859-1, you should be ok. |
| 08:18.49 | briareus | ok |
| 08:19.02 | dondelelcaro | briareus: the latter part is just the encoding used for things like |
| 08:19.04 | briareus | which should be system default? |
| 08:19.08 | tosh| | zignig that would be the way to go... I would have to figure out a way to make the connection transparant so when they ssh to my sshd on a certain port, they would immediately end up on their designated router |
| 08:19.11 | dondelelcaro | briareus: that depends on your preference |
| 08:19.15 | briareus | last time I chose en_US plain |
| 08:19.19 | briareus | i dont know what they are |
| 08:19.28 | dondelelcaro | briareus: I personally use en_US.UTF-8; that's generally a reasonable default |
| 08:19.45 | fooz | i could never survive on an ibook.. even if it DID support adding peripherals and changing the drives.. i'd break it pretty fast |
| 08:19.48 | briareus | ok thanks |
| 08:20.09 | briareus | blech, it still just gave me three long locale errors again |
| 08:20.10 | dondelelcaro | fooz: eh? they're fairly robust... |
| 08:20.25 | dondelelcaro | briareus: did the locales actually get built when you ran dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 08:20.35 | fooz | dondelelcaro, that must be why people brought em in for repairs more often than powerbooks :) |
| 08:20.40 | briareus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:20.40 | briareus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.40 | briareus | Generation complete. |
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| 08:20.54 | briareus | sorry i thought you kick limit was like 5 |
| 08:21.05 | briareus | sorry |
| 08:21.07 | dondelelcaro | briareus: just don't paste anything here at all... |
| 08:21.08 | aardvark | !tell briareus about flood |
| 08:21.20 | dondelelcaro | fooz: well, there *are* more of the things out there than powerbooks. |
| 08:21.30 | briareus | yeah i just saw in topic, Im used to a few lines, i wont do that again |
| 08:21.34 | fooz | i've got a powerbook G3 lombard that underimpresses me |
| 08:21.35 | streuner | briareus: do you use aterm? |
| 08:21.51 | briareus | streuner, not yet, this is my first 20 minutes into this install |
| 08:21.56 | briareus | usually yes |
| 08:22.03 | briareus | i dont have it installed yet afaik |
| 08:22.04 | zignig | tosh|: you could do that with the bashrc script , or the login shell itself. |
| 08:22.17 | dondelelcaro | a lombard is quite a bit different from the ibooks and the powerbook g4s |
| 08:22.23 | tosh| | zignig i want to make it a bit more lowlevel |
| 08:22.31 | streuner | briareus: just highlight 2 lines and paste with the middle mouse button |
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| 08:22.51 | zignig | tosh|: you could make it appear transparent with that method. |
| 08:22.52 | briareus | streuner, yeah thats how i usually paste |
| 08:22.57 | fooz | i'm not really an apple hater, but they just don't know how to make laptops. most companies don't though, it's not apple specific.. it's just that they charge so much for the same old crap |
| 08:23.13 | zignig | fooz: who makes good laptops then ? |
| 08:23.16 | briareus | grrr same old locale errors, as if i didnt do anything |
| 08:23.19 | fooz | IBM had a few lines of good laptops |
| 08:23.27 | dondelelcaro | fooz: *shrug* you may not like them, but quite a few of us have used them for quite a while, and haven't had serious issues with them. |
| 08:23.28 | fooz | and Compaq Armadas are usually very durable |
| 08:23.45 | zignig | dondelelcaro: what model do you have. |
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| 08:24.01 | zignig | ? |
| 08:24.23 | dondelelcaro | zignig: I've got a portable, a 165c, a lombard, an ibook (the tortishell one), a powerbook g4 400Mhz, and miscellaneous other things. |
| 08:24.29 | briareus | streuner, earlier did you mean "aterm" or ' a term ' |
| 08:24.32 | briareus | i do use aterm |
| 08:24.35 | fooz | whoa, a portable |
| 08:24.37 | streuner | aterm |
| 08:24.39 | fooz | one of those would be nice to have |
| 08:24.43 | celuken | can i connect through BitchX with ssl ? |
| 08:24.49 | streuner | !info aterm |
| 08:24.51 | dpkg | aterm: (Afterstep XVT - a VT102 emulator for the X window system), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.2-11 (sid), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 08:24.56 | dondelelcaro | (it's the backlight model, so it's actually marginally useful) |
| 08:25.14 | zignig | dondelelcaro: I got a 12'' ibook a while ago , it's been great. |
| 08:25.24 | briareus | streuner, i know what it is, used it for years, just didnt know which you were asking or if you typoed :) |
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| 08:25.31 | fooz | i just sold my thinkpad 600x cause i needed the money.. that was my favorite laptop ever, though |
| 08:25.35 | dondelelcaro | although, useful and 68000 don't really go together. |
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| 08:25.49 | briareus | fooz, Im on a thinkpad 390 p2 233 right now |
| 08:25.51 | jetscreamer | :::STREUNER::: |
| 08:25.55 | briareus | took 5 hours to install sarge |
| 08:25.56 | fooz | i don't need a laptop ATM and it was getting kinda slow for me |
| 08:26.02 | streuner | jetscreamer: hi |
| 08:26.10 | zignig | dondelelcaro: I have a se30 with external monitor and ethernet .... :) |
| 08:26.13 | jetscreamer | nn |
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| 08:26.35 | dondelelcaro | zignig: heh. nice. yeah, I never ended up with one of them... I've just got the separate monitor/desktop units around |
| 08:26.57 | fooz | i used to have a large collection of Apple stuff, but i've either sold or given it away |
| 08:27.02 | zignig | dondelelcaro: I have a mac graveyard ( not to mention pcs ) in the spare room. |
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| 08:27.23 | fooz | had a Lisa 2/10, some Duos w/ duodocks, some clones, some older PPCs, a 512 and a Classic and a G3 B&W |
| 08:27.25 | zignig | dondelelcaro: the WYSE slow fade green screen serial terminal is the coolest. |
| 08:27.34 | fooz | now I've only got the last two |
| 08:27.40 | dondelelcaro | zignig: hey, those WYSE are actually useful |
| 08:27.41 | fooz | oh, and the powerbook |
| 08:27.48 | SlayerXP | i fail to see the attraction of old, slow, antiquated hardware |
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| 08:27.55 | SlayerXP | this is why I don't buy sun sparc kit. |
| 08:28.01 | Dewi | SlayerXP: cheap! |
| 08:28.05 | zignig | dondelelcaro: I know .... It runs my jukebox interface. |
| 08:28.13 | fooz | old computers don't tend to suck as much as newer ones |
| 08:28.15 | Dewi | SlayerXP: also, compatible |
| 08:28.15 | benjamindees | SlayerXP, reliable! |
| 08:28.16 | SlayerXP | Dewi: sparc hardware isn't cheap |
| 08:28.22 | briareus | folks, may i ask another question? when i installed just now, i had a ps/2 mouse plugged in. it only detected that one. the install did not detect the onboard pencil eraser on the thinkpad. Any thoughts? |
| 08:28.29 | zignig | dondelelcaro: and ascii are demo's ( including mplayer ) ;) |
| 08:28.35 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 08:28.36 | Dewi | SlayerXP: I think somebody offered to give me some old sparc hardware for free on the weekend |
| 08:28.40 | zignig | s/are/art |
| 08:28.58 | caphuso | SlayerXP: old hardware isn't necessarily bad, my HP-48G still beats the crap out of every other calculator available |
| 08:28.58 | simonrvn | fooz: i have an 8500 and a power tower pro in running service |
| 08:28.58 | streuner | SlayerXP: old means not - not usefull |
| 08:28.59 | SlayerXP | Dewi: for free? I charge to take it off someone hands. |
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| 08:29.14 | fooz | i had a 7500 that pissed me off cause it was uselessly slow |
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| 08:29.17 | daffy-pkf | how do i print spanish letters like the n witn a ~? |
| 08:29.19 | zignig | caphuso: 48G's rock ! |
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| 08:29.30 | fooz | and a PowerComputing PowerBase 200 that I shouldn't have given away, because it didn't suck |
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| 08:29.30 | bob2 | Duo seemed like a cool concept |
| 08:29.39 | bob2 | not sure if it ever actually worked well in practice |
| 08:29.44 | caphuso | zignig: indeed |
| 08:29.50 | simonrvn | fooz: the 601? eew, damned slow. replace the daughtercard with a g3/g4, and max out the ram ;) |
| 08:29.59 | fooz | simonrvn, that's way too much money though |
| 08:30.03 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: looks like some bots |
| 08:30.06 | *** part/#debian vietthang (~invite@210.245.61.200) |
| 08:30.08 | simonrvn | or trolls |
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| 08:30.21 | briareus | I am not a bot, nor a troll |
| 08:30.23 | simonrvn | fooz: not when you get the g3 for free ;) |
| 08:30.24 | fooz | Apple's expensive, but third party companies making products for Apple computers are just ridiculous |
| 08:30.30 | benjamindees | hi vietthang |
| 08:30.32 | fooz | i can't afford G3/G4 upgrades |
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| 08:30.33 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, that's what I thought too, so I /cycle'd |
| 08:30.36 | directhex|work | i am both a bot and a troll |
| 08:30.44 | briareus | sexy |
| 08:30.48 | briareus | can we date? |
| 08:30.50 | simonrvn | directhex|work: we knew that already ;P |
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| 08:30.58 | fooz | shit for the price of an upgrade chip for my powerbook (that would just make it *usable*) I could buy two Thinkpad 600s that are more than usable |
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| 08:31.22 | simonrvn | i'd get a thinkpad if it had a ppc proc in it |
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| 08:31.48 | fooz | what i want is a decent linux PDA or phone |
| 08:31.58 | simonrvn | yeh. pda |
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| 08:32.13 | briareus | i love the zaurus |
| 08:32.20 | briareus | too bad that newest one is so hard to get |
| 08:32.24 | zignig | fooz: some of the ipaq look pretty good. |
| 08:32.27 | briareus | onboard hdd |
| 08:32.38 | simonrvn | the ipaqs are very linuxable |
| 08:32.43 | fooz | i don't care much for desktops or laptops anymore, not worth spending any money on them. i'll just let mine wear out and give up computers at that point :) |
| 08:33.01 | zignig | simonrvn: all they need is a gps. |
| 08:33.01 | directhex|work | y'know, with palm talking about moving to a linux backend on their units, you would have thought they'd have the decency to help get modern models to work at all with linux desktops |
| 08:33.09 | briareus | fooz, wait for jackets and hats with solid ram for everything :) |
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| 08:33.25 | fooz | simonrvn, yeah.. need so much work though.. Familiar is useless and Intimate seems dead |
| 08:33.27 | simonrvn | directhex|work: yeh, really |
| 08:34.02 | directhex|work | simonrvn, i'd just like to be able to synch my zire over bluetooth |
| 08:34.11 | fooz | simonrvn, I've been meaning to build a custom distro for my ipaq and my Mitsubishi Amity pen computer, but I have no motivation |
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| 08:34.13 | simonrvn | you usually only need to do it once ;) |
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| 08:34.59 | simonrvn | directhex|work: ask some of the folks in #debianppc, like pahartik |
| 08:35.13 | simonrvn | he's got bluetooth everything it seems |
| 08:35.36 | fooz | the uclibc people made a uclibc-based version of debian woody a while back |
| 08:35.44 | fooz | it would be perfect for small computers |
| 08:35.47 | zignig | simonrvn: I want a headset that can voip bridges on the nearest bluetooth base. |
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| 08:36.53 | fooz | what i want most is a usable cell phone though.. grr.. why can nobody get that right? |
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| 08:37.13 | fooz | nokia's OS makes Windows 95 look stable |
| 08:37.23 | simonrvn | fooz: make your own :P. linux or openbios, plus some other shit =) |
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| 08:37.37 | fooz | simonrvn, ehh? |
| 08:37.46 | jm_ | use any old Nokia, they work fine |
| 08:37.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:37.52 | benjamindees | yeah, I'd like to take nokia's old OS and put it on a new phone |
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| 08:38.09 | fooz | but then you lose all the power |
| 08:38.23 | jm_ | what power? |
| 08:38.34 | simonrvn | "teh powah" |
| 08:38.36 | benjamindees | the wasted power |
| 08:38.36 | fooz | apps, games, whatnot |
| 08:38.51 | simonrvn | eew. it's a phone ffs |
| 08:39.00 | jm_ | ahh, I use phone for talking and sending SMS messages |
| 08:39.02 | fooz | feh |
| 08:39.18 | fooz | well then an ancient phone's fine for you |
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| 08:39.41 | fooz | i use mine as an answering machine (instead of using voice mail), email reader, and SSH client (when Symbian isn't busy crashing) |
| 08:39.51 | directhex|work | simonrvn, well i managed to hack SOME good behaviour out of it, i can transfer files to & fro via gnome-obex-send, and i can surf the net & use irc on the palm thanks to NATted intarweb access over bluetooth from the desktop PC... |
| 08:39.54 | simonrvn | zignig: no thanks, get enough of that from the monitor :P |
| 08:40.08 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:40.10 | zignig | simonrvn: ok , no problem. |
| 08:40.18 | SlayerXP | jm_: I have a mobile which is switched off unless I'm expecting a call or need to make a call. |
| 08:40.33 | directhex|work | simonrvn, linux bluetooth is pretty stable, the problem is all the docs & apps are out of date compared to current kernel design (e.g. things in-kerne rather than userspace) |
| 08:40.38 | jm_ | SlayerXP: that's indeed the best policy - I actually get so little calls I don't have to do that ;) |
| 08:40.46 | fooz | heh |
| 08:40.49 | simonrvn | directhex|work: i see |
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| 08:41.14 | fooz | my phones would work fine for you too. it turns itself off at least once a day :( |
| 08:41.24 | simonrvn | *crash* |
| 08:41.40 | jm_ | Siemens phones let you configure the time when they switch off, that's handy |
| 08:41.43 | fooz | yeh. never seen an OS so unstable |
| 08:41.54 | fooz | jm_, I don't *want* it to turn off |
| 08:41.59 | directhex|work | simonrvn, as a random example, the most linked-to guide on using bluetooth input devices under linux talks about custome patches to very old versions of 2.4's bluez stack... |
| 08:42.10 | jm_ | fooz: yeah, I figured that ;) |
| 08:42.18 | fooz | siemens uses the same OS, anyhow |
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| 08:42.40 | Nurbs | heh |
| 08:42.56 | fooz | ericsson uses a version they forked off in the dark ages, and it doesn't do anything useful. not that anyone sells their phones anymore |
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| 08:43.23 | Overand | didn't someone big buy ericsson? |
| 08:43.30 | Nurbs | my siemens won't shut down sometimes, applications can hang and leak memory... bah. never ever again |
| 08:43.33 | directhex|work | sony-ericsson |
| 08:43.35 | Virtual | Overand: you mean sony ? |
| 08:43.37 | simonrvn | directhex|work: eew :/ |
| 08:43.39 | Virtual | it wasn`t a buy :) |
| 08:43.42 | Virtual | more of a merge |
| 08:43.51 | Virtual | two good company merged into a shity one |
| 08:43.54 | simonrvn | cafuego: the guy is actually serious about ldap over udp.... |
| 08:43.55 | Overand | heh |
| 08:44.01 | fooz | SE phones are nice if you can get over how limited they are |
| 08:44.08 | directhex|work | actually, SE phones are nice |
| 08:44.09 | fooz | I had a T610 for a long time |
| 08:44.10 | Ragan | 23l |
| 08:44.17 | directhex|work | and have by far the best bluetooth stack on the market |
| 08:44.20 | zignig | simonrvn: wtf ? ... can I have half a dn please ? |
| 08:44.25 | Overand | FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT |
| 08:44.30 | directhex|work | shame they're a bit crashy, but i've never had a stable mobile phone |
| 08:44.37 | directhex|work | bar my old motorola startac |
| 08:44.44 | simonrvn | zignig: yeh, exactly... |
| 08:44.52 | Overand | my old nokia was stable |
| 08:44.54 | Overand | 8100 series |
| 08:44.58 | fooz | my T610 was unstable when I first got it, but I flashed in a new firmware and stopped using the WAP browser so much.. and then it would run for months at a time |
| 08:45.01 | Overand | until i poured a lot of organic salt water into it |
| 08:46.02 | Virtual | I have a Nokia 2300 and I can say i`m satisfied... |
| 08:46.04 | fooz | i wonder if the symbian instability is just in the ngage phones, or all the nokia series 60 |
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| 08:46.15 | directhex|work | my problems with nokia are mostly customer service related |
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| 08:46.22 | Virtual | 7 days minimum battery power |
| 08:46.26 | directhex|work | i had a 7110, and nokia's customer service was awful |
| 08:46.41 | fooz | Virtual, that's pretty good |
| 08:46.43 | simonrvn | i'd use a cell phone if i knew it was a) well shielded b) the components weren't coming out of effective blood mines - the capstan is very often pulled out of the ground from war-torn areas. that includes most recent computers too |
| 08:46.44 | jm_ | Virtual: is that 7/24? |
| 08:46.46 | directhex|work | before that i had an nec db4000. awful phone, but at least nec's customer service was brilliant |
| 08:47.11 | Virtual | jm_: of course, I never turn it off + I speak quite a while on it... |
| 08:47.16 | jm_ | Virtual: that's nice |
| 08:47.36 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: capstan? |
| 08:47.46 | Overand | ngage runs symbian? ah. |
| 08:47.49 | simonrvn | i think it captan |
| 08:47.49 | Virtual | yeah Nokia are pretty good.... only their photo technology kind off lacks |
| 08:47.59 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: something like that |
| 08:48.14 | fooz | i never turn mine off. assuming it doesn't turn off by ITSELF, I get about 1-2 days of runtime on the ngage (depending on what i'm doing with it) and 3-4 days with the T610 (regardless of what I'm doing with it) |
| 08:48.24 | directhex|work | ngage is a bog standard series60 phone |
| 08:48.24 | jm_ | heh |
| 08:48.30 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: captan is a fungicide... |
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| 08:48.35 | Overand | my crappy Samsung SCH-A670 runs for weeks and weeks |
| 08:48.39 | dondelelcaro | (capstan being a anchor winch) |
| 08:48.55 | gypsymauro | hello, there is a "secure" way to let users upload html pages without using ftp? |
| 08:48.56 | fooz | directhex|work, with a ton of memory, but yeah |
| 08:48.56 | Overand | it only froze up on my once, in the WEP proxy config screen. but afaik this thing runs some properietary OS |
| 08:48.59 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: i don't remember the exact name... it's a component that's used to make the circuit boards |
| 08:49.18 | directhex|work | fooz, you can run ngage games on other series60 phones with minimal hex editing |
| 08:49.23 | fooz | directhex|work, it has 11 or 12MB of RAM |
| 08:49.34 | fooz | directhex|work, yes.. if you buy a $500 phone with >10MB of RAM :) |
| 08:49.42 | directhex|work | use the sim card as swap space! |
| 08:49.46 | briareus | i installed memtest86, but it does not add to lilo, nor does it have a man page, any ideas what to do? in other distros it adds to lilo |
| 08:49.46 | fooz | directhex|work, anything but the 6600 won't do so well |
| 08:49.57 | simonrvn | gypsymauro: sftp (ssh), webdav(s;, the s is for over tls/ssl) |
| 08:50.07 | directhex|work | briareus, it adds to grub, if you use grub. |
| 08:50.24 | briareus | what about lilo |
| 08:50.32 | briareus | i detest grub |
| 08:50.34 | briareus | hehe |
| 08:50.40 | fooz | directhex|work, people love to talk about hacking ngage games to work on non-ngage phones, but they never mention that even the better series 60 phones don't have enough memory to load any games besides cheesy 2D puzzle games |
| 08:50.42 | directhex|work | anyway, i like my phone. sony-ericsson z600. like a t630, but clamshell, with a slightly larger screen |
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| 08:50.52 | briareus | i liek that grub doesnt need to be rerun like lilo, but thats all i like |
| 08:50.55 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: Kapton then... but AFAIK, that's a synthetic made by dupont |
| 08:51.04 | directhex|work | fooz, don't look at me, i use my palm to play cheesy 2d games |
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| 08:51.20 | fooz | the only 3D game I like is Quake |
| 08:51.24 | Dewi | the thing I don't understand about phones, is that I have a camera phone with 32mb of storage, but I still can't have more than about 30 SMS. |
| 08:51.28 | peterS | briareus: it's a big advantage. if you've got grub installed there's very few types of errors that can make your system completely unbootable. if you know how to use grub properly. |
| 08:51.53 | fooz | Dewi, your phone probably stores the SMS on the SIM card maybe? |
| 08:52.02 | briareus | peterS, thanks for the info. but any idea on how to get memtest86 into lilo? |
| 08:52.07 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: yeh... not it's a mineral - though by now they might be synthesising it, or some of it, it's pretty rare. occurs only in africa TMI |
| 08:52.11 | briareus | perhaps you have the grub entry for it? |
| 08:52.14 | Dewi | fooz: yeah. |
| 08:52.16 | soloflyer | whats the deal with directx and wine atm |
| 08:52.19 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: err s/not/no,/ |
| 08:52.21 | Dewi | fooz: but nothing's configurable on phones |
| 08:52.22 | peterS | briareus: oh, I just jumped in, I haven't been following the convo. I don't know how to run memtest from lilo, no |
| 08:52.26 | gypsymauro | simonrvn: tanx, the easier way for end users? I suppose webdav is integrated in IE |
| 08:52.42 | fooz | Dewi, most cheap newer phones have sorta deprecated SMS in favour of MMS |
| 08:52.45 | peterS | gypsymauro: yes, webdav is integrated into Windows Explorer / MSIE |
| 08:52.46 | marinos | briareus: image = /boot/memtest.bin |
| 08:52.47 | marinos | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.50 | fooz | Dewi, well.. who made your phone? |
| 08:52.53 | gypsymauro | great |
| 08:52.54 | Dewi | fooz: ericsson |
| 08:52.57 | briareus | thanks marinos |
| 08:52.58 | simonrvn | gypsymauro: webdav you can easily use any os - it's basically an extension to http |
| 08:53.07 | smhar | hi again guys |
| 08:53.21 | peterS | simonrvn: yeah but using it as an actual file share thing, as opposed to just through a web browser, isn't as obvious |
| 08:53.21 | simonrvn | brb |
| 08:53.22 | Dewi | fooz: they seem fairly geek-friendly in many ways, but they're not all the way there |
| 08:53.26 | fooz | Dewi, Series 60 phones won't store anything on the SIM card. they've got a full email client backed by a full FAT-like filesystem in flash, just like a PDA |
| 08:53.28 | smhar | I was reading in the internet and found something that made me worried |
| 08:53.35 | fooz | Dewi, so you can have as many SMSes as you want |
| 08:53.36 | marinos | briareus: you will have to rerun lilo of course |
| 08:54.03 | smhar | Is it true that testing doesn't have security updates.. and I need stable to get those?! |
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| 08:54.12 | fooz | ericssons use an archaic OS that uses a real simple memory partitioning |
| 08:54.22 | peterS | smhar: sort of true. testing security updates are coming Real Soon Now and have been for 6 months |
| 08:54.34 | marinos | smhar: yes because testing/unstable gets updated anyway |
| 08:54.37 | directhex|work | which ericsson? don't mix up series60 and series40 |
| 08:54.39 | benjamindees | smhar, yes, there are testing security updates in the works |
| 08:54.40 | Dewi | peterS: eep. why? |
| 08:54.46 | gypsymauro | tanx for infos now I'll try it:) |
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| 08:54.56 | fooz | each function gets some dedicated amount of memory + there's a general purpose pool that any system can take from |
| 08:55.05 | peterS | Dewi: the main hangup is getting machines of each of the 11 architectures, all running testing, to auto-build security updates in a timely fashion |
| 08:55.10 | fooz | directhex|work, err, Ericsson has no 'series'. that's Nokia |
| 08:55.29 | Dewi | peterS: aah. put like that, it certainly does sound annoying. |
| 08:55.29 | directhex|work | fooz, every man & his dog runs symbian |
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| 08:55.37 | fooz | directhex|work, all GSM Ericsson phones run the same OS with small changes |
| 08:55.47 | peterS | Dewi: the autobuilder networks are a thing of beauty. Debian couldn't release 11 architectures without them. but getting them set up properly apparently takes time |
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| 08:56.25 | smhar | peterS, , marinos, benjamindees: should I be worried or install stable instead? |
| 08:56.34 | peterS | Dewi: also - apparently the other hangup has been modifying the archive scripts to deal with yet another queue from which packages can enter the archive |
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| 08:56.51 | benjamindees | smhar, depends on how important the system is |
| 08:57.02 | simonrvn | peterS: true enough |
| 08:57.09 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: it's a polyimide, and AFAIK, there aren't any naturally occuring polymers like that. |
| 08:57.33 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: it is? you sure? |
| 08:57.45 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yerp. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyimide |
| 08:57.51 | smhar | benjamindees, it is my main desktop |
| 08:57.54 | peterS | smhar: if you're like most people you do not have untrusted local users on your system. thus the only security issues you need to be *immediately* concerned with are the remotely exploitable ones. these don't come out all that often |
| 08:57.58 | peterS | smhar: you should be reading the debian-security-announce list anyway, so you'll know when you may need to temporarily disable some network service until you can install a patched version |
| 08:58.13 | peterS | smhar: bottom line - if you know what you're getting yourself into, installing sarge without explicit security updates available is not all that scary |
| 08:58.31 | peterS | smhar: but ... it *is* a peace-of-mind thing, so make up your own mind |
| 08:58.40 | tedboer | last night, our mailserver has been relaying a lot of spam... but all open relay tests show that our server is ok... :-( |
| 08:58.50 | peterS | smhar: I do have hopes that the security team will start to support sarge quite soon. how soon, none can say |
| 08:58.53 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: i must be thinking of something else then |
| 08:59.01 | fooz | directhex|work, i think ericsson runs some Symbian OS from before Series 40 |
| 08:59.03 | petemc | tedboer: even "telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org" ? |
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| 08:59.17 | fooz | directhex|work, and i think moto has their own proprietary OS |
| 08:59.22 | peterS | dang it! I was hoping for a 5-line-in-a-row stat on debstats.dontexist.org for legitimate, quite long, lines! |
| 08:59.30 | peterS | missed it by 10 seconds |
| 08:59.33 | petemc | bummer |
| 09:00.06 | tedboer | petemc: did not try that one. will now |
| 09:00.08 | smhar | peterS, so, if a magor security hole is discovered today, how long would I normally wait for the update -if any-? |
| 09:00.31 | fooz | directhex|work, that's excluding the P800/P900 series which are Symbian OS 7.x |
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| 09:00.48 | sml | sarge stops on install at "Starting PC Card Services" when detecthing hardware to find cd-rom drives. is there a "nopcmcia" boot parameter? |
| 09:00.58 | peterS | smhar: anything from a couple days to indefinitely long. but in the common case you can manually download and install the new package that has just been uploaded to unstable, and that'll work on testing |
| 09:00.59 | tedboer | "System appeared to reject relay attempts" |
| 09:01.00 | benjamindees | smhar, if you do a good job disabling services, blocking ports, I wouldn't worry |
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| 09:01.21 | tedboer | this is rather worrying... |
| 09:01.36 | petemc | tedboer: you cant tell by the logs where the mails are coming from? |
| 09:01.46 | benjamindees | Columbium Tantalum -- coltan |
| 09:01.47 | petemc | tedboer: if you really are relaying spam, you should shut exim down |
| 09:02.01 | peterS | smhar: it also helps to have enough experience to know what an advisory means, when you read it. to assess the level of risk, or whether your configuration is vulnerable at all, and if so, what the attacker will be able to do |
| 09:02.10 | simonrvn | oh great, open relay.... |
| 09:02.12 | tedboer | petemc: a hostlookup on the sender ip says unknown host. |
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| 09:02.30 | tedboer | petemc: yeah, i know. i am closely watching my server logs now. |
| 09:02.36 | sml | hrm it appears that its nopcmcia=yes |
| 09:02.37 | simonrvn | benjamindees: that's it! |
| 09:02.49 | peterS | smhar: the vast majority of security advisories, I ignore, because they're either for packages I don't have installed, or they're mere privilege escalations that require a local account and some hard work to exploit |
| 09:02.57 | abel | hi all is there any way to recreate the file /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 09:03.02 | simonrvn | benjamindees: thank you :) *hug* |
| 09:03.15 | peterS | abel: restore from /var/backups |
| 09:03.23 | streuner | dpkg available |
| 09:03.24 | dpkg | it has been said that available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
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| 09:03.27 | jm_ | abel: /msg dpkg available |
| 09:03.28 | fooz | and peterS's ignoring those advisories is why i've had root on his system for 3 weeks |
| 09:03.29 | benjamindees | simonrvn, I think I remember it's used as an oscillator |
| 09:03.31 | fooz | oops, did I say that out loud? |
| 09:03.35 | peterS | abel: wait - I was thinking of /var/lib/dpkg/status. do what the bot says |
| 09:03.46 | tarzeau | fooz: haha |
| 09:03.47 | peterS | hello, fooz |
| 09:03.50 | simonrvn | fooz: hehe |
| 09:04.20 | simonrvn | Coltan (columbite-tantalite) is a black tar-like mineral. It is used to produce tantalum mostly for use in capacitors, which |
| 09:04.24 | simonrvn | are used in a vast array of small electronic devices, especially in mobile phones, laptop computers, pagers, and the like. |
| 09:04.24 | tarzeau | fooz: tried www.mtp-target.org ? also nice 3d game |
| 09:04.48 | smhar | peterS, I see, I only have my computer, my wife's computer and my file server on my lan, so I shouldn't be worried, right? not untill I finish my webserver computer anyway |
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| 09:05.28 | peterS | smhar: I don't want to lull you into a false sense of security. I'm trying to lay out the experiences I have with this stuff. you have to gauge your own ability to recognise and deal with the advisories that matter to your systems |
| 09:05.31 | fooz | i don't like penguins |
| 09:05.51 | simonrvn | even covers the ethical issues in more detail than i did. excellent |
| 09:06.09 | simonrvn | @wikipedia and contributors++ |
| 09:06.54 | stouset | Hey, broken GNOME packages. Imagine that :-) |
| 09:07.36 | abel | hum hem sudo dselect update --> /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/apt/update: line 42: 17157 Segmentation fault $DPKG "$DPKG_OPTS" --update-avail $CACHEDIR/available |
| 09:07.44 | simonrvn | ;P |
| 09:08.31 | streuner | abel: isn't there a backup in the same folder? |
| 09:08.33 | stouset | Bah, why do deb's even have a CONFLICTS tag? They cause so many problems. It's not like they actually *do* anything. |
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| 09:09.10 | abel | streuner checking |
| 09:09.13 | SpamHog | simonrvn: I may be cynical, but coltan is what mention to ppl who cliam that they're pacifist because they support mideastern dictatorships' claim on oil |
| 09:09.15 | simonrvn | aabel: often caused by a corrupt available file. mv available available.fubar, then dselect update |
| 09:09.29 | simonrvn | SpamHog: eh? |
| 09:09.38 | briareus | a while back i had a deb from apt that kept messing up on the install. i finally got mad and found a noarch rpm and used alien to make a deb. it worked like a charm. wierd... |
| 09:09.51 | streuner | abel: /var/lib/dpkg/avai* |
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| 09:10.11 | Bolland | Hello #debian, can someone pls suggest a popular ftp server that uses encrypted connections both for authentication and transfers? I tried installing the ftpd-ssl package, but couldn't find any documentation on how to configure it (man ftpd, no info on config file, google, not much info either) |
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| 09:10.28 | stouset | Bolland: /usr/share/doc/ftpd-ssl |
| 09:10.36 | SpamHog | simonrv: coltan is a contributing factor to 3.5 million deaths, and no one cared because the US was involved only indirectly - no protest marches, no nothin' |
| 09:10.56 | briareus | coltan? |
| 09:11.00 | abel | streuner : available-new available-old ... |
| 09:11.11 | benjamindees | SpamHog, in the mideast? |
| 09:11.15 | Bolland | stouset, ah thanks I'll start there :) |
| 09:11.15 | SpamHog | (and I'll let he matter rest & keep it for some other venue... :( ) |
| 09:11.21 | SpamHog | Congo |
| 09:11.22 | stouset | I'm out guys. G'nite. |
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| 09:11.25 | streuner | abel: if you are fscked those files, you have to reinstall -keep that in mind |
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| 09:12.11 | SpamHog | sorry guys, i'll leave or I'll get started agn in this bloody matter... |
| 09:12.11 | simonrvn | SpamHog: i think i get what you said, or part of it a) i'm not a pacifist b) i'm an anarchist c) i protest any injustice, not just big loud stuff d) i make damned sure people know about the just as important but not 'big loud' like middle east oil |
| 09:12.15 | streuner | abel: so take the advice of simonrvn and the bot first, if that doesn't help rename available.old to available and run 'apt-get update' |
| 09:12.28 | simonrvn | no, dselect update |
| 09:12.43 | streuner | simonrvn: read what i told him |
| 09:12.56 | SpamHog | simonrvn: it wasn't personal, just mentioning it you don't put urself in the one-sided pacifist bin!! :))) |
| 09:13.02 | simonrvn | apt-get won't update that i don't think |
| 09:13.04 | abel | streuner : should i mv available-new available ? don't understand your last tell ;( |
| 09:13.15 | simonrvn | SpamHog: oh, np :) |
| 09:13.28 | abel | simonrv what do u think i should do ? |
| 09:13.32 | streuner | *PLONK* |
| 09:13.34 | SpamHog | sorry agn, I'll be back in pure Debian mode, .... bye 4 now |
| 09:13.55 | simonrvn | ugh, left too fast |
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| 09:14.04 | simonrvn | s/ugh/urgh/ |
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| 09:14.25 | simonrvn | abel: streuner and i already told you |
| 09:14.36 | benjamindees | Americans have a piss-poor understanding of economics (it's not taught in schools) which doesn't help understanding anything about the rest of the world |
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| 09:15.01 | abel | simonrvn: should i mv available.old to available ? |
| 09:15.10 | simonrvn | benjamindees: yeh, really |
| 09:15.18 | Guerin | benjamindees: don't blame USians' lack of international knowledge on a lack o economic understanding :) |
| 09:15.20 | simonrvn | abel: re-read what we said please |
| 09:15.51 | Bolland | can anyone suggest a popular (and easy to configure ..) ftp server that has support for encrypted authorization & transfers, and preferably a debian package .. :) |
| 09:15.55 | streuner | abel: are you 'learn-resistent' |
| 09:15.58 | streuner | ? |
| 09:16.41 | streuner | abel: try #debian-fr |
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| 09:16.58 | benjamindees | Guerin, if the rest of the world is going to hold us responsible for the consequences of our economic policies, it damn sure doesn't help that we don't even really understand them ourselves |
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| 09:17.29 | beeblebrox87 | i just encoded a file with "mencoder -o foo.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=768 -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=128 dvd://2" and when i try to play it in mplayer it says "Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x34504D46." |
| 09:17.32 | Guerin | benjamindees: my only point was that the problem is bigger than economics |
| 09:17.38 | Guerin | benjamindees: you're not wrong |
| 09:17.40 | tarzeau | Bolland: ftp is not encrypted |
| 09:17.44 | abel | streuner: your advice is mv available.old to available ? and dselect update ? |
| 09:17.47 | beeblebrox87 | nobody answers in #mplayer, anybody in here have any ideas? |
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| 09:17.56 | tarzeau | Bolland: either you need the speed, use ftp. or security then use ssh/scp |
| 09:17.59 | simonrvn | Guerin: definitely. but it is a part of it, IMO |
| 09:18.05 | Guerin | simonrvn: oh, sure |
| 09:18.11 | streuner | abel: scroll up and read what simonrvn and i told you |
| 09:18.15 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: did you read the documentation? |
| 09:18.17 | Guerin | i'd start with geography and history, though |
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| 09:18.29 | simonrvn | abel: /lastlog available and read it |
| 09:18.33 | abel | streuner dono how scroll up on bitchX ;(( |
| 09:18.46 | streuner | abel: PgUP |
| 09:18.48 | kicknick | i hope someone can help me with this |
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| 09:18.59 | abel | streuner thanks |
| 09:19.02 | kicknick | how can i use linux to remotely restart my xp machine |
| 09:19.04 | Bolland | tarzeau, ah ok. I see. I will google for ssh/scp clients, thanks |
| 09:19.07 | Bolland | err servers |
| 09:19.12 | fl0w | Is it possible to switch from KDE to console promt? |
| 09:19.18 | simonrvn | kicknick: purge xp and install linux :P |
| 09:19.26 | beeblebrox87 | tarzeau: much of it. i've tried specifying -vc mpeg4 and so forth with no effect |
| 09:19.32 | Guerin | fl0w: killall kdm |
| 09:19.33 | kicknick | lmao funny simonrvn |
| 09:19.40 | Guerin | kicknick: it's not a joke |
| 09:19.45 | streuner | abel: in IRC you need to know how you handle your irc-client, so just use something you are familar and is easy to use. |
| 09:19.47 | tarzeau | fl0w: chvt 1 |
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| 09:19.49 | kicknick | i just want my xp machine to restart |
| 09:19.59 | simonrvn | i was only half-joking |
| 09:20.09 | Guerin | kicknick: you could make a linux-powered robot to go and push the power button for you |
| 09:20.10 | tarzeau | kicknick: depends if you got grub or lilo |
| 09:20.17 | simonrvn | kicknick: so hit restart, and install a real server os |
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| 09:20.23 | benjamindees | Guerin, ooh, a roomba... |
| 09:20.27 | tarzeau | Guerin: he could also just edit the grub menu config |
| 09:20.30 | kicknick | i cant its about 130 miles away |
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| 09:20.34 | Guerin | tarzeau: too easy |
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| 09:21.06 | tarzeau | Guerin: the problem will be how he comes back to linux from windows xp :) |
| 09:21.08 | kicknick | isnt there like a remote reskit u can use? |
| 09:21.16 | tarzeau | kicknick: yes i told you how |
| 09:21.22 | Guerin | tarzeau: heh, true |
| 09:21.28 | benjamindees | kicknick, surely there are howtos for hacking into XP... |
| 09:21.31 | kicknick | i dont know ne thing about lilo or grub :( |
| 09:21.40 | tarzeau | kicknick: then you go read the documentation |
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| 09:21.46 | soloflyer | what do u need to get into windows for |
| 09:21.49 | abel | streuner what i see of your advice is to move my available file and rune deselect update but when i do this i get an error... |
| 09:21.53 | kicknick | omg :S |
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| 09:22.05 | Bolland | tarzeau, for some ftp servers I use I have to configure "ssl" to connect, but all that does is to encrypt the authentication? For the transfer it will still be unencrypted unless I use an scp client? |
| 09:22.11 | tarzeau | 11:22 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from kicknick: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 09:22.29 | Guerin | Bolland: no, ftp over ssl should be encrypted the whole way |
| 09:22.32 | kicknick | whats wrong :S |
| 09:22.35 | streuner | abel: did you follow the advice of the bot (/msg dpkg available)? |
| 09:22.40 | tarzeau | kicknick: go away |
| 09:22.44 | kicknick | y :O |
| 09:22.55 | beeblebrox87 | tarzeau: any other ideas about mplayer? |
| 09:23.01 | streuner | abel: and that doesn't work? |
| 09:23.02 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: sorry no |
| 09:23.22 | Bolland | Guerin, ah ok. Can you suggest an ftp server that uses ssl encryption? |
| 09:23.36 | kicknick | tarzeau may i ask what i have done wrong |
| 09:23.49 | Guerin | Bolland: any of the good ones: vsftp, proftpd |
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| 09:23.55 | abel | streuner the bot want me to do a dpkg available ? |
| 09:23.58 | Guerin | hahahaha |
| 09:24.04 | tarzeau | kicknick: you use mirc, you ask windows stuff, you don't read documentation |
| 09:24.05 | Bolland | Guerin, ok thanks |
| 09:24.08 | Guerin | my wife's hamster just chased bunneh away |
| 09:24.12 | tarzeau | kicknick: what do you think this is here? a whore house? |
| 09:24.16 | Guerin | bunneh, the devil-rabbit |
| 09:24.23 | Guerin | scourge of electronic equipment |
| 09:24.23 | ghep | can anyone help me with installing the nforce2 nic in debian? |
| 09:24.24 | benjamindees | kicknick, look into rdesktop if you're serious |
| 09:24.24 | kicknick | no i do not |
| 09:24.34 | Guerin | eater of all home furnishings |
| 09:24.38 | Guerin | bested by a hamster! |
| 09:24.44 | kicknick | omg |
| 09:25.30 | streuner | abel: /join #debian-fr |
| 09:25.52 | ghep | can anyone help me with installing the nforce2 nic in debian? |
| 09:26.01 | abel | streuner doing it |
| 09:26.36 | kicknick | tarzeau: my problem is i usually use rdesktop on my xp machine but the service has crashed. I still have my linux server running and was hoping there wud be a way to remotely restart the xp machine. I am new to linux and still gettin my head round it. I have been unable to find information about remotely controlling xp |
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| 09:27.11 | Guerin | kicknick: it's currently running windows? |
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| 09:27.26 | Guerin | kicknick: you might be able to crack your way in |
| 09:27.36 | Guerin | we're not the people to ask how, though |
| 09:27.42 | kicknick | i dont wanna crack or hack in i just wanna remotely restart it |
| 09:28.14 | sep | kicknick: the psshutdown command does exactly that, but i think you need another windows computer to run it, maybe in wine ? :) |
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| 09:28.44 | soloflyer | kicknick how are you connected to the linux box |
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| 09:28.57 | foobar | morning all |
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| 09:29.48 | ghep | can anyone help me with installing the nforce2 nic driver in debian? |
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| 09:30.01 | petemc | ghep: modprobe forcedeth |
| 09:30.02 | jorge_bla | hi |
| 09:30.04 | soloflyer | kicknick how are you connected to the linux box |
| 09:30.18 | jorge_bla | is there a way to flush all routes and rules with somw ip command? |
| 09:30.36 | Guerin | jorge_bla: iptables -F? |
| 09:30.44 | jorge_bla | Guerin, no |
| 09:30.56 | Guerin | ok |
| 09:31.03 | Guerin | thus ends my knowledge of iptables :) |
| 09:31.09 | jorge_bla | Guerin, rules i mean for ex. ip rule add from 10.0.0/24 lookup 10 |
| 09:31.21 | jorge_bla | Guerin, policy routing |
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| 09:32.30 | petemc | jorge_bla: ip route del or ip route change |
| 09:32.45 | ghep | petemc: what does that do? |
| 09:32.54 | petemc | jorge_bla: or even ip route flush cache |
| 09:32.56 | jorge_bla | petemc, yes if i do just ip route del it deletes all routes? |
| 09:33.08 | petemc | ghep: you dont know what modprobe does? |
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| 09:33.27 | ghep | petemc: it gives me this error: Can't locate module forcedeth |
| 09:33.46 | ghep | sorry, i'm quite new to linux |
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| 09:34.33 | petemc | ghep: forcedeth is a kernel module for your nic, if its not there you need to add it somehow, installing a more recent debian kernel would be a fairly easy way |
| 09:34.40 | chealer | ghep: what's your debian release? |
| 09:34.48 | ghep | 3.0 r4 |
| 09:34.55 | chealer | !d-i ghep |
| 09:34.56 | dpkg | ghep, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:35.05 | petemc | jorge_bla: ip route del 10.0.0/24 via .. , read up on ip |
| 09:35.25 | jorge_bla | yes but how to delete route tables? |
| 09:35.32 | chealer | ghep: unfortunately, the stable release of debian is very old and for a desktop use you will prefer sarge (3.1), which is in final testing |
| 09:35.32 | ghep | dpkg: i have followed the tutorial and everything, there was no tutorial on installing a nic that wasn't included in the distro package |
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| 09:35.45 | chealer | dpkg: what are you? |
| 09:35.45 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 09:36.06 | benjamindees | dpkg, you are idiot number one |
| 09:36.06 | dpkg | benjamindees: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:36.16 | chealer | ghep: it is not a toturial, it explains you how to get debian sarge (instead of debian woody) |
| 09:36.16 | kicknick | soloflyer: i am using ssh to connect to my linux server |
| 09:36.24 | ghep | oh ok |
| 09:36.31 | ghep | chealer: thanks |
| 09:37.02 | ghep | i thought the last version of woody just came out in jan 2005? |
| 09:37.12 | chealer | ghep: with sarge (and linux26 install parameter at least) nforce2 should be supported out of the box |
| 09:37.18 | takatumi | ghep: and if it's supported only by a 2.6 series kernel, boot the sarge d-i installer with linux26. |
| 09:37.19 | chealer | !woddy |
| 09:37.19 | dpkg | well, woddy is HOLY COW it's WOODY not woddy |
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| 09:37.22 | chealer | !woody |
| 09:37.22 | dpkg | from memory, woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 09:37.31 | benjamindees | ghep, it did but it includes security updates only, not new feature or hardware support |
| 09:37.46 | takatumi | !woody hardware support |
| 09:37.46 | dpkg | somebody said woody hardware support was firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 09:37.50 | ghep | o ok |
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| 09:39.08 | superSSS | In which file are passwords stored for mozilla? |
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| 09:39.24 | takatumi | superSSS: on a cracking spree? |
| 09:40.20 | Guerin | superSSS: please explain in 100 words or less what this has to do with debian gnu/linux |
| 09:40.36 | superSSS | the passwords like..logins to the sites and the rest |
| 09:40.36 | try_catch_this | does wxwidgets have a memory mapped file class? |
| 09:40.38 | Guerin | you have 300 seconds starting now |
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| 09:40.56 | superSSS | I need to do the backup |
| 09:41.01 | Guerin | try_catch_this: please explain in 100 words or less what this has to do with debian gnu/linux |
| 09:41.04 | Guerin | you have 300 seconds starting now |
| 09:41.22 | takatumi | superSSS: try irc.mozilla.org #mozilla |
| 09:41.40 | peterS | Guerin: 100 words is a lot. you could get kicked for flooding many times over explaining what something has to do with debian gnu/linux (: |
| 09:41.53 | try_catch_this | if I want to port my app to linux wxwidgets will make handling memory mapped files trival |
| 09:42.09 | try_catch_this | that is if it has a memory mapped file class |
| 09:42.17 | ghep | so, if i do: Installing Debian GNU/Linux via the Internet, will it get the most up-to-date install of debian? |
| 09:42.19 | Guerin | peterS: fair enough. It shouldn't take that many words anyhow :) |
| 09:42.21 | try_catch_this | Guerin: happy now? |
| 09:42.50 | chealer | ghep: yes...IF you get a TESTING netinst |
| 09:42.50 | Guerin | try_catch_this: no, you have failed to answer the question |
| 09:42.59 | Guerin | or even comprehend it |
| 09:43.14 | try_catch_this | debian is a linux distro |
| 09:43.40 | Guerin | try_catch_this: wxwidgets has practically nothing to do with linux |
| 09:43.47 | Guerin | it's an X toolkit |
| 09:43.48 | chealer | ghep: like this : http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:43.51 | sml | anyone know what "debootsrap program exited with an error (return value 2)" means , seems there is an unmatched paranthesis in one of the debian scripts |
| 09:44.21 | benjamindees | try_catch_this, is there a channel or mailing list for wxwidgets you could try? |
| 09:44.23 | ghep | chealer: just burn a CD and install it? |
| 09:44.47 | chealer | ghep: yes |
| 09:44.55 | ghep | chealer: thank you |
| 09:46.18 | takatumi | sml: which version of debootstrap? |
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| 09:46.50 | sml | takatumi: too late just rebooted the box.. will tell you in a minute |
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| 09:47.45 | takatumi | sml: 0.2.45-0.2 is the one in sid, if your is an older version try that one. if it is the same one, try checking the bts. |
| 09:47.53 | takatumi | s/your/yours |
| 09:48.07 | sml | takatumi: its sarge. |
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| 09:48.30 | sml | takatumi: i'll tell you the version as soon as i get a shell |
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| 09:49.25 | chealer | English speakers: is this quote correct : "it works with the packages proper name" or should it read " it works with the packages's proper name"? |
| 09:49.41 | simonrvn | package's |
| 09:49.42 | takatumi | chealer: packages' |
| 09:49.47 | chealer | thanks |
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| 09:50.09 | simonrvn | well mine for singular, and takatumi's for plural |
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| 09:50.17 | chealer | oh but when there are several packages (sorry) |
| 09:50.26 | chealer | ok so it would be takatumi's |
| 09:50.30 | chealer | thanks again |
| 09:50.33 | simonrvn | so we're both right and wrong ;) |
| 09:50.34 | takatumi | it would still be package's I think. |
| 09:50.37 | Guerin | never use apostrophe's for plural's |
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| 09:50.45 | liable | packages's |
| 09:50.53 | peterS | oh, Guerin, what do you know? you're just an English teacher |
| 09:50.58 | Guerin | silly me |
| 09:51.18 | chealer | Guerin: so that means there is no error in the quote? |
| 09:51.20 | Guerin | peterS: that is an insinuation up with which I will not put! |
| 09:51.32 | Guerin | chealer: depends if you mean single or plural |
| 09:51.35 | sml | takatumi: erm how do you determine the version ? |
| 09:51.41 | takatumi | Guerin: 'up with'? |
| 09:51.42 | chealer | Guerin: for several pacakges |
| 09:51.51 | peterS | Guerin: heh, yeah really |
| 09:51.54 | simonrvn | try --version on the binary, or dpkg -l |
| 09:51.58 | sml | top /usr/bin/debootstrap, or debootstrap --help shows now version |
| 09:52.00 | Guerin | takatumi: it's a famous quote |
| 09:52.04 | Guerin | churchill, I think |
| 09:52.07 | peterS | yeah, churchill |
| 09:52.11 | chealer | thanks :) |
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| 09:52.13 | takatumi | ah. |
| 09:52.16 | idnar | avoiding a split infinitive |
| 09:52.21 | Guerin | well, I don't think he used insinuation |
| 09:52.24 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:52.26 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
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| 09:52.34 | peterS | it was 'nonsense' I believe |
| 09:52.38 | Guerin | ok |
| 09:52.44 | briareus | my momma says I'm a good talker |
| 09:52.53 | briareus | also speeler |
| 09:52.53 | Guerin | well |
| 09:53.04 | simonrvn | do you talk a lot? |
| 09:53.08 | Guerin | you can use contractive apostrophes properly |
| 09:53.10 | simonrvn | speler? |
| 09:53.18 | kicknick | can i ask y will no1 help me |
| 09:53.21 | peterS | simonrvn: now that's just painful |
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| 09:53.29 | sml | takatumi: well i decided not to use different partitions and the deboostrap worked. must be some bug to do with multiple mount points. |
| 09:53.42 | Guerin | kicknick: partly because you spit on all the things we're just discussing now |
| 09:53.43 | simonrvn | kicknick: using aol speek for one thing :P |
| 09:53.50 | Guerin | !annoy kicknick |
| 09:53.58 | peterS | kicknick: because, as we used to say in my youth, Y is a crooked letter |
| 09:54.04 | Guerin | poor dpkg |
| 09:54.10 | carnage | google needs to get better satalites... the images are too grainy for my liking |
| 09:54.13 | takatumi | sml: read the man page? |
| 09:54.15 | simonrvn | @annoy me |
| 09:54.15 | sml | "I think this patch should be considered for Sarge." |
| 09:54.18 | ravenbird | simonrvn: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 09:54.23 | kicknick | excuse me since when am i using aol |
| 09:54.30 | sml | takatumi: its a bug, i found it on bugs.debian.org posted nov 2004. |
| 09:54.36 | kicknick | secondly i asked a very simple question |
| 09:54.41 | peterS | kicknick: you may not be, but your speech pattern makes us think you are |
| 09:54.54 | takatumi | !info debootstrap sarge |
| 09:54.56 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.45-0.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 09:54.58 | sml | takatumi: and how does one read a man page on a system that is ready to install the base system ? |
| 09:55.00 | kicknick | well i apologise for that peterS |
| 09:55.00 | simonrvn | kicknick: 2) you're talking about windoze xp, of which we do not support here |
| 09:55.03 | Guerin | booting second ubuntu livecd |
| 09:55.10 | Guerin | the first one was supposedly crupt |
| 09:55.19 | takatumi | sml: it should online somewhere, google. |
| 09:55.29 | takatumi | s/d o/d be o/ |
| 09:55.40 | Ragan | y? watz up wth spekin laike diz? |
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| 09:55.49 | Guerin | kicknick: the main issue is that you're wanting to get into your windows machine |
| 09:55.49 | sml | takatumi: no need google had the answer within the debian bug tracking |
| 09:55.55 | Guerin | kicknick: we don't know how to do that |
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| 09:56.00 | takatumi | sml: ok. |
| 09:56.05 | zeeeee | hi all, why is it that i can see some interfaces (eth0, eth1) in ifconfig, but "ifdown eth0" (or eth1) says "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured"? |
| 09:56.08 | kicknick | i dont want to get into my xp machine |
| 09:56.20 | Guerin | zeeeee: one may have been brought up using another method |
| 09:56.31 | Guerin | zeeeee: like with ifconfig eth0 up ... |
| 09:56.51 | takatumi | sml: which bug number? |
| 09:57.15 | jm_ | zeeeee: it most likely means its not mentioned in /etc/network/ifstate |
| 09:57.26 | kicknick | all i am wanting to know is like xp has the shutdown command to remotely shut down windows machines is there a linux module or tool to restart or shutdown windows machines |
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| 09:57.41 | Guerin | !htfswk kicknick |
| 09:57.42 | dpkg | kicknick: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 09:57.51 | Guerin | kicknick: this is a windows question, plain and simple. |
| 09:57.52 | Ragan | kicknick, you can use a remote desktop connection |
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| 09:58.00 | kicknick | am i right in thinking this is a debian room |
| 09:58.10 | zeeeee | Guerin: i tried "ifconfig eth0 down" but i get "eth0: Host name lookup failure" |
| 09:58.17 | simonrvn | kicknick: no. wtf would there be? |
| 09:58.20 | jm_ | how do you remotely shutdown windows machine? |
| 09:58.27 | Ragan | kicknick, with rdesktop you can do that |
| 09:58.32 | zeeeee | jm_: my ifstate file (something i never knew existed) is empty |
| 09:58.39 | jm_ | zeeeee: yes, exactly |
| 09:58.43 | zeeeee | i'm not sure what that means atm |
| 09:58.44 | Guerin | kicknick: if you were running some sort of unix-alike and a sshd, we might be able to help you. You might want to try to fix your rdesktop. |
| 09:58.44 | valdyn_ | windows has a shutdown command? |
| 09:58.47 | soloflyer | kicknick exploit a service that windows depends on |
| 09:58.52 | sep | is there a way i can get tcpdump to display the MAC address of a transmitted icmp packet ? |
| 09:59.00 | Guerin | soloflyer: I suggested this about an hour ago |
| 09:59.02 | sml | takatumi: 283510 i think |
| 09:59.18 | liable | how do I get factstats out of the bots, doesnt seem to work. |
| 09:59.21 | briareus | regarding orphaner: is it unwise to just delete whatever it lists? |
| 09:59.22 | kicknick | exactly guerin |
| 09:59.33 | soloflyer | isnt winxp still vulnrable to LAND attack? |
| 09:59.42 | sml | takatumi: http://tinyurl.com/58vul |
| 09:59.52 | sml | soloflyer: only sp2 i believe lol. |
| 09:59.56 | briareus | so are several linuxes except debian (LAND) |
| 10:00.00 | sml | soloflyer: read bugtraq from feb 2005 |
| 10:00.18 | valdyn_ | briareus: yes , very unwise |
| 10:00.22 | kicknick | all i want my windows machine to do is to restart |
| 10:00.28 | Guerin | kicknick: wait |
| 10:00.31 | kicknick | ok |
| 10:00.33 | Guerin | (heh) |
| 10:00.38 | briareus | valdyn_, i try the simulate thing but it doesnt seem to have effect |
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| 10:00.51 | Ragan | kicknick, rdesktop like I said ffs |
| 10:01.04 | Guerin | aragahis rdesktop service has dies |
| 10:01.05 | Guerin | d |
| 10:01.09 | kicknick | my rdesktop service has crashed thats y i need ot restart it somehow |
| 10:01.13 | sep | kicknick: there is a windows tool called psshutdown that can remoteshutdown windows, and you need a windows to do it. or you can install a vncx server on your windows to have a alternative to rdesktop, |
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| 10:01.38 | Guerin | kicknick: you might have to wait a while ... if it was winme it'd be bound to reboot soon enough |
| 10:01.41 | kicknick | i do not currently have any other windows machines on the same lan to do it with |
| 10:01.51 | kicknick | its windows xp |
| 10:01.54 | jethro | moin moin |
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| 10:02.04 | sep | kicknick: then psshutdown via wine is a attemth |
| 10:02.05 | soloflyer | are u connected via ssh kicknick |
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| 10:02.15 | kicknick | yes soloflyer |
| 10:02.19 | tarzeau | kicknick: hi |
| 10:02.27 | kicknick | tarzeau: hi |
| 10:02.40 | soloflyer | redirect the ports then |
| 10:02.51 | soloflyer | and use a windows box on yer local lan |
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| 10:02.53 | pingouin_ | ii wanted to apt-get upgrade, but openoffice and xprt-xprintorg are kept-back , so i try dist-upgrade, and then it tell me that xprt-common will be removed, what should i do, knowing that i absolutly need to kept my printing system available and running ? any clue ? |
| 10:03.00 | jm_ | sep: tcpdump -e |
| 10:03.05 | kicknick | i havent got any other windows machines on my lan |
| 10:03.10 | kicknick | they all linux |
| 10:03.29 | simonrvn | kicknick: well good for you (not being sarcastic at all) |
| 10:03.57 | Guerin | pingouin_: wait |
| 10:04.09 | pingouin_ | hi Guerin |
| 10:04.11 | kicknick | fair enough comment simonrvn |
| 10:04.13 | Guerin | pingouin_: the problem will solve itself with time |
| 10:04.20 | Guerin | pingouin_: bonjour |
| 10:04.31 | Ragan | Just reboot to a Debian net install CD on your WinXP machine and you should be fine then. |
| 10:04.34 | takatumi | sml: that error should be fixed in rc3. |
| 10:04.37 | simonrvn | kicknick: i try to be. i expect the same |
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| 10:04.39 | Guerin | Ragan: it's a remote machine |
| 10:04.41 | Guerin | duh |
| 10:04.43 | Guerin | i mean |
| 10:04.47 | Guerin | he's not THAT stupid |
| 10:04.55 | pingouin_ | Guerin: i mean xprt-common is for allow me to print from Mozilla/firefox correctly , i run cups also |
| 10:05.07 | pingouin_ | until now problem=0 |
| 10:05.11 | Guerin | pingouin_: yeah. You don't NEED xprt to print from firefox |
| 10:05.34 | pingouin_ | ok |
| 10:06.02 | soloflyer | kicknick is the windows box patched up to the latest? |
| 10:06.14 | kicknick | near enough yes |
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| 10:06.20 | kicknick | it does have sp2 |
| 10:06.29 | kicknick | hasnt been updated in about 3 weeks |
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| 10:06.49 | chealer | pingouin_: xprt-common will probably be replaced by xprint-common |
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| 10:07.01 | Growly | I have a 2.6.8 fresh sarge install, and a promise sx4 sata raid controller - when i use the two together I get DMA timeouts |
| 10:07.07 | chealer | pingouin_: actually, very probably |
| 10:07.10 | Growly | anyone know a possible solution? |
| 10:07.23 | pingouin_ | ok chealer |
| 10:07.29 | pingouin_ | thx Guerin, chealer |
| 10:07.44 | pingouin_ | and thx apt-listbugs ;) to stop my upgrade |
| 10:08.21 | Growly | anyone? |
| 10:08.35 | valdyn_ | Growly: pass "pci=routeirq" to your kernel ( not 100% sure if it was just _that_ promise driver needing this still |
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| 10:08.49 | valdyn_ | Growly: though worth i try maybe |
| 10:08.56 | douglas | in linux when I have a laptop with acpi, what is the difference between hibernate and suspend? |
| 10:09.09 | Guerin | one hibernates |
| 10:09.12 | Guerin | and one suspends |
| 10:09.17 | jethro | ant the other suspends |
| 10:09.18 | jethro | haha |
| 10:09.20 | douglas | hehe |
| 10:09.51 | Growly | valdyn_:cheers!!! will check, how do i pass options from grub? |
| 10:09.57 | valdyn_ | douglas: maybe suspend to ram vs suspend to disk, "hibernate" isnt a technical term |
| 10:10.11 | valdyn_ | douglas: err, vice vera |
| 10:10.40 | douglas | well, basically which one suspends to disk and does any of them stop the cpu? |
| 10:10.55 | douglas | because my laptop gets very hot. |
| 10:11.11 | Guerin | douglas: you need to read the acpi howto |
| 10:11.15 | sep | jm_ thankyou, 2500 icmp redirects/second is not healthy |
| 10:11.16 | douglas | ok, I will |
| 10:11.19 | douglas | sorry for bothering |
| 10:11.32 | valdyn_ | douglas: if it gets hot then that is suspend to ram and does not work properly for you |
| 10:11.35 | Guerin | !kill win98 for having to reboot every 10 seconds |
| 10:11.48 | valdyn_ | douglas: suspend to disk does poweroff |
| 10:12.14 | Guerin | there are multiple suspend and hibernate scripts |
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| 10:12.20 | vmx | is there a boot cd for sarge to start it again, after a windows xp installation (which has of course overwritten the mbr)? |
| 10:12.22 | Guerin | you need to know which one you're using |
| 10:12.27 | douglas | well, I haven't tried any. |
| 10:12.28 | Guerin | scripts, kernel patches, etc. |
| 10:12.29 | douglas | yet. |
| 10:12.32 | vmx | or boot floppies |
| 10:12.35 | douglas | that's why I asked. |
| 10:12.40 | douglas | I'll try one, thanks/ |
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| 10:12.41 | Guerin | you definitely need to do some reading then |
| 10:12.48 | valdyn_ | !laptops |
| 10:12.49 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 10:12.49 | Guerin | setting this stuff up is non-trivial |
| 10:12.52 | takatumi | Growly: edit with 'e' in the grub menu, 'b' to boot. |
| 10:14.42 | takatumi | !test |
| 10:14.42 | dpkg | Yes, takatumi, you're still online. |
| 10:14.54 | bob2 | or use ubuntu and have it (hopefully) Just Work! |
| 10:15.21 | Guerin | bob2: acpi? |
| 10:15.38 | takatumi | acpi works well in 2.6.11 |
| 10:15.50 | p2-mate | acpi is horrible even in 2.6.11.7 |
| 10:16.04 | bob2 | Guerin: indeedy |
| 10:16.04 | benjamindees | hmm |
| 10:16.05 | p2-mate | Guerin: good luck :) |
| 10:16.14 | bob2 | p2-mate: depends on your hardware |
| 10:16.15 | Guerin | i've never been able to get my acpi working reliably on my (toshiba) laptop |
| 10:16.15 | takatumi | p2-mate: it works flawless here. it's compiled in static though. |
| 10:16.18 | bob2 | my x40 works out of the box since 2.6.8 |
| 10:16.23 | Growly | takatumi: cheers |
| 10:16.31 | Guerin | it is an OLD laptop, though |
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| 10:16.44 | bob2 | one of the guys I work with has all acpi stuff working on his toshiba laptop |
| 10:16.48 | valdyn_ | bob2: though it should miss some functionality |
| 10:16.51 | bob2 | but it's a...2004 one, iirc |
| 10:16.54 | Guerin | bob2: i just burned the hoary livecd, but it barfs during boot |
| 10:17.04 | Guerin | md5 is good, no idea what the problem is |
| 10:17.08 | benjamindees | I swear the 2.6 kernels alternatively break some hardware and fix others... |
| 10:17.20 | p2-mate | bob2: lots of problems here. suspend to ram doesn't disable the backlight, resume from ram doesn't restore videotimings correctly |
| 10:17.21 | Guerin | heh, yeah, mine is 1997 :) |
| 10:17.45 | bob2 | Guerin: hah, ouch |
| 10:17.51 | bob2 | p2-mate: radeon? |
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| 10:18.26 | simonrvn | benjamindees: sure seems like it |
| 10:18.52 | p2-mate | bob2: yep. tp a32 |
| 10:18.53 | p2-mate | bob2: yep. tp a31 |
| 10:19.12 | bob2 | p2-mate: ah |
| 10:19.15 | p2-mate | bob2: APM does it all right though. so it's an ACPI problem. |
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| 10:19.23 | bob2 | p2-mate: did you use radeontool to turn it off during suspend? |
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| 10:19.48 | p2-mate | bob2: I didn't try that. I first want to get resume to work correctly |
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| 10:20.06 | liable | bob2: are you the same bob-a from linux-thinkpad |
| 10:20.06 | Growly | valdyn_: thanks for that, the pci=routeirq has stopped the dma timeouts (wish someone told me that a few months ago) - but now I need to know how to get linux to read a current RAID 5 ntfs array |
| 10:20.22 | bob2 | liable: no, I'm only bob on irc |
| 10:20.22 | valdyn_ | Growly: it cant |
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| 10:20.39 | bob2 | I'm Rob Weir everywhere else...since that's my name and all ;-p |
| 10:20.40 | p2-mate | bob2: no point in improving suspend if resume doesn't work |
| 10:20.55 | bob2 | p2-mate: hah, yeah |
| 10:21.00 | Growly | valdyn_: .... whaddya mean? I had faith! what specifically can it not do? |
| 10:21.04 | getram22 | how to manage Logs .. when they are taking up tomuch of space |
| 10:21.11 | bob2 | p2-mate: did you try the various hacks? s3_bios, etc? |
| 10:21.18 | peterS | I'd consider resume part and parcel with suspend. 'improving suspend' would encompass making resume work (: |
| 10:21.35 | valdyn_ | Growly: this is a software raid with a little chip assisting, that chip is not supported by linux drivers. Maybe look at promise, they may have a binary only driver for 2.4.x or somesuch |
| 10:21.39 | bob2 | getram22: logrotate should clean them up. you can trweak it in /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 10:22.10 | p2-mate | bob2: I tried vm86 restore thing, but it throws the controller into text mode which is really bad as I run a fb console. X11 doesn't really like it either. |
| 10:22.23 | f00bar | any ideas how I can trace a system hardlock? |
| 10:22.29 | valdyn_ | p2-mate: i havent tried radeontool, but everything is done properly by radeonfb if you apply a few patches to it |
| 10:22.30 | f00bar | (i know that is a vague question, sorry) |
| 10:22.42 | bob2 | p2-mate: disabling fb is probably a decent work around |
| 10:22.52 | p2-mate | bob2: it would not help |
| 10:22.57 | Growly | valdyn_: that chip, that apple of my eye, the entire reason i mislabel my controller as hardware raid capable, is unsupported. just fantastic. well, I appreciate you enlightening me :) |
| 10:23.01 | p2-mate | bob2: as X11 will still be confused |
| 10:23.05 | superSSS | How can i split one big .gz file into two? |
| 10:23.11 | Guerin | superSSS: man split |
| 10:23.14 | bob2 | p2-mate: vt switching doesn't reinit it enough? |
| 10:23.16 | Guerin | bizarrely enough |
| 10:23.32 | p2-mate | bob2: might do. but it should work without that |
| 10:23.41 | Growly | alright then new question: how do i use redhat drivers for 2.4 on debian 2.6? anyone? |
| 10:23.42 | p2-mate | valdyn_: aha. pointers ? |
| 10:23.55 | bob2 | p2-mate: of course, hence "work around" ;) |
| 10:24.07 | bob2 | Growly: with great difficulty |
| 10:24.12 | antony | got a kerberos question am following http://www.ofb.net/~jheiss/krbldap/howto.html with debian amendments as necessary |
| 10:24.14 | bob2 | Growly: the driver isn't in the 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:24.18 | Guerin | Growly: you'll have to get modules for a 2.6 kernel and build them against the headers of the kernel you want to run them with |
| 10:24.24 | p2-mate | bob2: ugly workaround :) |
| 10:24.30 | pbxjunkie | guys. I did sumthin (after compiling a kernel , I pressed a key when knoppix prompted me during boot that creates a profile for the new kernel) and it changed all my system messages to german, how do I change it back, I'm reading about locales but where in the system do I set it permanently? /etc/profile? do I need a restart after that or just logoff logon? |
| 10:24.49 | Guerin | Growly: building 2.4 modules against a 2.6 kernel is Neither Fun Nor Profitable |
| 10:24.53 | p2-mate | bob2: then I once saw a kernel panic in the serial code when doing a suspend |
| 10:25.03 | p2-mate | bob2: so there is probably an issue there as well |
| 10:25.03 | valdyn_ | p2-mate: i was looking for the url, sec |
| 10:25.03 | bob2 | pbxjunkie: you're using knoppix? #knoppix |
| 10:25.09 | antony | after doing a kadmin.local -q "addprinc user/admin", kinit user reports: kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial credentials |
| 10:25.14 | Growly | bob2: yeah it is, but valdyn_ was just telling me of how the xor acceleration chip on my promise fasttrak is unsupported by the linux drivers, hence my attempts to access the large amount ntfs data are in vain without windows |
| 10:25.17 | Guerin | ok, a d-i question |
| 10:25.19 | bob2 | p2-mate: heh, yeah, I hear the serial code is very gross |
| 10:25.20 | valdyn_ | p2-mate: radeon 7500 chip right? |
| 10:25.35 | peterS | pbxjunkie: 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'. that's the right answer for debian systems. if this doesn't work on knoppix, ponder why you're asking the question in #debian |
| 10:25.35 | Guerin | possible to use d-i to resize a vfat partition during the install procedure? |
| 10:25.40 | p2-mate | valdyn_: yep |
| 10:25.50 | f00bar | i think putting more debug messages into the kernel could help me track my lock, maybe I will just chuck all the debug statements in :) |
| 10:25.56 | peterS | Guerin: I think so. haven't tried it. |
| 10:26.17 | p2-mate | bob2: and I didn't even try to test wlan :) |
| 10:26.51 | pbxjunkie | peterS: the thing is that even dpkg-reconfigure comes up in german :) nywayz I'll ask in #knoppix. thanks. |
| 10:27.13 | Growly | damn it all, now i have to buy a new server. |
| 10:27.15 | peterS | pbxjunkie: 'LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales' then. the LANG=C part overrides the locale temporarily |
| 10:27.18 | Growly | goodnight all |
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| 10:27.57 | pbxjunkie | ptereS: it worked. thanks :) |
| 10:28.11 | valdyn_ | p2-mate: thats for a t40, but since you have the same gfx chip that should work for you i think: http://chefacciamo.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Debian/ACPIpowerOK |
| 10:28.25 | valdyn_ | p2-mate: since it works perfectly for me. |
| 10:28.27 | p2-mate | bob2: ACPI has one interesting feature : you can turn off the power led :) |
| 10:28.51 | soloflyer | ? |
| 10:29.10 | soloflyer | !kill me |
| 10:29.22 | peterS | p2-mate: and blank the screen, and turn on the mic and record people talking, right? |
| 10:30.09 | p2-mate | peterS: the A31 doesn't have a bultin mic :) |
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| 10:30.38 | peterS | p2-mate: that kills that idea. have to use the old cell-phone-sitting-on-the-table trick for that purpose |
| 10:30.56 | sml | I forgot to include "pcmcia_core kernel module" when installing sarge. Is there a quick way of getting the module and putting it under /lib/modules ? |
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| 10:31.14 | p2-mate | peterS: I was more thinking of controlling the brightness of the LED by doing a software PWM :) |
| 10:31.27 | peterS | PWM? |
| 10:31.35 | peterS | is that a welsh word? |
| 10:31.51 | Putiikki | pulse width modulation |
| 10:31.57 | peterS | ahhhhh |
| 10:32.05 | peterS | I can even guess what it means now (: |
| 10:32.09 | Putiikki | :) |
| 10:32.17 | p2-mate | I'm not sure if ACPI would like that though :) |
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| 10:32.31 | peterS | p2-mate: you just want a power light that fades on and off like a mac in sleep mode |
| 10:32.33 | jhunter | hi if i run setiathome under debian the files a stored in my homedir and not in a subdir...how can i change this? |
| 10:33.04 | p2-mate | peterS: yes. |
| 10:33.16 | p2-mate | peterS: or like the old amiga trackers |
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| 10:34.13 | peterS | jhunter: setiathome isn't officially in debian, so most of us probably don't have it installed. I say this not to discourage you but to explain why you might not get much of an answer here |
| 10:34.43 | Putiikki | jhunter: make a subdir, move setiathome there and run it from there (im not sure would that work) |
| 10:34.51 | soloflyer | apt-get pr0n isnt working!!! |
| 10:35.09 | peterS | soloflyer: you need porn-get. see http://lesbian.mine.nu |
| 10:35.26 | soloflyer | oh i know what im doing wrong |
| 10:35.29 | jhunter | Putiikki: i installed it with dselect |
| 10:35.38 | soloflyer | i forgot the install commmand |
| 10:35.43 | soloflyer | apt-get install pr0n |
| 10:35.45 | Putiikki | jhunter: ok, i dont know then |
| 10:35.58 | jhunter | Putikki: np thx |
| 10:36.50 | peterS | soloflyer: I haven't tried porn-get but it is real software and it's available at that site (: |
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| 10:36.59 | soloflyer | i forgot the install commmandlol |
| 10:37.01 | soloflyer | lol |
| 10:37.09 | [trueno] | Is there a way to edit/change a .swf file under Linux? |
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| 10:38.09 | peterS | [trueno]: it's a text-based file format, IIRC. I can't think of any actual editor programs for it, but try 'apt-cache search swf editor' |
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| 10:39.07 | korn900 | hi |
| 10:39.16 | korn900 | i want to chroot ssh |
| 10:39.18 | aniline | Hi, Is there a guide on how can I make a small repository containing all the packages I've currently installed on one box which I can add to sources.list and install on another box (which just has the base packages). I intend to use a usb drive to copy pkgs to a box without connection to internet. |
| 10:40.02 | peterS | !tell korn900 -about ssh chroot |
| 10:41.24 | peterS | aniline: you can copy /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb onto your USB disk and then onto the other machine. along with /var/cache/apt/*.bin, come to think of it - so the whole /var/cache/apt/ tree |
| 10:41.42 | f00bar | is there any way i can tell when i installed a certain package |
| 10:41.43 | peterS | aniline: so long as you never do 'apt-get update' on the second machine, the /var/cache/apt/*.bin should just sort of remain in working order |
| 10:41.56 | peterS | f00bar: dpkg -l packagename |
| 10:41.59 | f00bar | thx |
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| 10:42.09 | peterS | f00bar: oh, *when* you installed it? I use 'ls -ld /usr/share/doc/packagename' |
| 10:42.12 | korn900 | when i configure openssh_chroot |
| 10:42.12 | liable | I added the -R bit to my /etc/init.d/sysklogd script, but I still keep getting dropped packet logs coming up in irssi. Any ideas. |
| 10:42.22 | korn900 | i need openssl new version |
| 10:42.28 | korn900 | but i have this :s |
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| 10:42.44 | f00bar | peterS: thanks |
| 10:43.06 | korn900 | : configure: error: *** Can't find recent OpenSSL libcrypto (see config.log for details) *** |
| 10:43.27 | peterS | f00bar: /usr/share/doc/packagename is the one directory (or symlink) that'll exist for every package. directories and symlinks don't get their times reset to the .deb build time after installation, so that's why it is a good way to tell when the package was last installed or upgraded |
| 10:43.40 | peterS | korn900: apt-get build-dep ssh |
| 10:43.41 | f00bar | handy |
| 10:43.47 | Guerin | ok |
| 10:44.06 | streuner | heh |
| 10:44.06 | Guerin | the md5 checks out, but the cd fails its own self-test |
| 10:44.09 | Guerin | what gives? |
| 10:44.18 | [trueno] | peterS: No luck :-(. Is there a way to capture a movie from the screen? Might be the other possibility |
| 10:44.25 | peterS | Guerin: sounds like RH 7.something, which apparently had that problem (: |
| 10:44.36 | peterS | [trueno]: I don't know |
| 10:44.40 | Guerin | this is ubuntu 5.04 |
| 10:44.41 | aniline | Ok... I've got 1.2 gigs of /cache/apt... Thats ok... but apt-get install would get it from the cache ? |
| 10:44.47 | streuner | ubuntu live |
| 10:44.48 | korn900 | i have latest openssl |
| 10:44.56 | resiak | Guerin: Bad burn? |
| 10:44.58 | peterS | aniline: yes, if it thinks it is installing exactly the same version of the package |
| 10:45.06 | Guerin | resiak: two in a row? |
| 10:45.06 | benjamindees | Guerin, Fedora had that problem recently too, supposedly hw specific |
| 10:45.11 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:45.11 | peterS | aniline: that's why copying over /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin is good too |
| 10:45.18 | Guerin | praps I should try another box |
| 10:45.23 | resiak | Guerin: Fair enough. |
| 10:45.34 | soloflyer | there is an option that will allow you to fetch the package regardless of if it is in the cache |
| 10:45.40 | aniline | Ah.. I get it now.. Thanks. |
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| 10:46.19 | korn900 | who can help me for install ssh_chroot |
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| 10:46.22 | peterS | aniline: when you run 'apt-get update' it regenerates pkgcache.bin. so on the non-net-connected machine, just never run apt-get update. rely on copying over the known-good pkgcache.bin, which matches the downloaded files |
| 10:46.34 | kueche | hi. how do i find out which isacards my woody has recognized? |
| 10:46.45 | streuner | dmesg |
| 10:46.49 | petemc | kueche: cat /proc/ioports or /proc/iomem |
| 10:47.07 | peterS | or /proc/interrupts, even |
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| 10:47.33 | kueche | thx |
| 10:47.41 | aniline | peterS: Gotcha... Thanks. |
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| 10:48.59 | streuner | kueche: forget dmesg, it wouldn't tell you anything. |
| 10:48.59 | streuner | about ISA |
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| 10:51.26 | peterS | streuner: it certainly will tell something about which drivers are loaded. his question seemed to be about that |
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| 10:52.45 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.51 | streuner_ | scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.33/3.2.4 |
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| 10:53.26 | streuner_ | Disabling bugged TSC. |
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| 10:54.03 | streuner_ | that's all i got with 'ISA' or 'isa' and there is one ISA Slot in my box there |
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| 10:57.40 | serkanc | hi folks |
| 10:57.44 | serkanc | i wonder something |
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| 10:58.21 | serkanc | for sarge which CD (ın 14) does include kernel source |
| 10:58.27 | RichiH | serkanc: yes, the concept of a god is abstract, but explains the world without any need for deeper knowledge |
| 10:58.34 | DenisG | wargh. |
| 10:59.06 | DenisG | why the hell does a debian base system not contain a GCC?! |
| 10:59.11 | DenisG | WHY?! |
| 10:59.20 | streuner | cause! |
| 10:59.22 | RichiH | DenisG: apt-get install build-essential |
| 10:59.33 | DenisG | why does the NETWORK INSTALLATION DISKETTE does not contain PING?! |
| 10:59.33 | RichiH | and because many people don't need gcc |
| 10:59.34 | serkanc | RichiH, be clear pls |
| 10:59.36 | streuner | why do you think you need gcc in order to run an OS? |
| 10:59.51 | DenisG | because i need gcc to compile a kernel. |
| 11:00.03 | DenisG | because the generic ones don't work. |
| 11:00.18 | f00bar | if i had a flaky harddrive and a new dvd drive on the same IDE cable, could the flakiness of the harddrive cause the dvd drive to b0rk? |
| 11:00.22 | RichiH | serkanc: do you need the cd or can you download it fromt he web? |
| 11:00.29 | DenisG | it is soooo frustrating -_- |
| 11:00.32 | RichiH | serkanc: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 11:00.37 | serkanc | i have 8 ones |
| 11:00.42 | serkanc | but there is no kernel source |
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| 11:00.48 | serkanc | am i right |
| 11:01.01 | RichiH | serkanc: dunno. just download them from the web directly? |
| 11:01.17 | cheal | serkanc: I'd be surprised |
| 11:01.19 | serkanc | if i have in my cds why i download it |
| 11:01.20 | RichiH | DenisG: use knoppix and debootstrap |
| 11:01.29 | serkanc | i just want to know |
| 11:01.36 | DenisG | well. |
| 11:01.44 | DenisG | i don't have a CD-ROM drive on my laptop. |
| 11:01.49 | RichiH | serkanc: if you added all cds to your apt db, then apt-cache search will find it if it is on one cd |
| 11:01.51 | DenisG | (it's broken) |
| 11:02.03 | RichiH | DenisG: tomsrtbt and debootstrap |
| 11:02.04 | serkanc | ok i cant find so there isnt |
| 11:02.07 | serkanc | you say |
| 11:02.12 | DenisG | and i only have an old PCMCIA network adapter. |
| 11:02.15 | RichiH | serkanc: yes |
| 11:02.18 | serkanc | that means you dont know too |
| 11:02.25 | cheal | serkanc: I'd be surprised if it wasn't on the 8 first CDs |
| 11:02.31 | serkanc | i wnders if someone knows in which cd |
| 11:02.39 | DenisG | i even installed that stupid base system. |
| 11:02.52 | serkanc | yep RichiH there isnt |
| 11:03.01 | liable | serkanc: I would think no 2 or 3 |
| 11:03.08 | DenisG | but the network does not work, because the kernel does not have the appropriate modules or so. |
| 11:03.16 | blenda | I can only use 137.4 GB of my new 200 GB ATA hard drive. How can I found out if this is a problem with my Linux kernel or with my ATA controller? |
| 11:03.18 | serkanc | liable, there isnt |
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| 11:03.44 | liable | serkanc: you did apt-cache search, and went through all the cd's |
| 11:03.50 | serkanc | yep |
| 11:04.02 | DenisG | hm. is there an option of downloading the gcc .deb by hand and putting it on the hard disk, and then using apt-get to install it? |
| 11:04.14 | liable | serkanc: apt-cache search what? |
| 11:04.14 | serkanc | ooh i think i should downlaod it and compile myself |
| 11:04.32 | serkanc | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 11:04.32 | RichiH | DenisG: yes. packages.debian.org, wget, dpkg -i package |
| 11:04.33 | streuner | DenisG: get thoses packages at pdo |
| 11:04.53 | DenisG | okay. I'll try that. |
| 11:04.58 | DenisG | *tries* |
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| 11:05.09 | liable | serkanc: and you have all the cd's in your source.list |
| 11:05.14 | serkanc | yes |
| 11:05.19 | serkanc | the 8 one |
| 11:05.47 | liable | serkanc: well, |
| 11:05.51 | streuner | DenisG: what laptop is that? |
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| 11:06.38 | kicknick | where can i find the wine source folder on my debian server :( |
| 11:06.47 | serkanc | liable, are you sure there is in 2 or 3 |
| 11:07.05 | sss_lr | kicknick: it will be in you are home folder with .wine |
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| 11:07.24 | Guerin | kicknick: read the wine doc |
| 11:07.37 | liable | serkanc: no just a guess, but if you have all cd's in your source list then apt-cache should find it |
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| 11:08.07 | soloflyer | kicknick why do u need the wine source folder... |
| 11:08.08 | serkanc | hmm so there isnt |
| 11:08.35 | kicknick | to put the config file in there :S |
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| 11:09.01 | soloflyer | config file isnt in the source folder |
| 11:09.07 | liable | serkanc: I have never used more than one cd, but do you have more than one cd entry in source list |
| 11:09.10 | soloflyer | source is int he source folder |
| 11:09.13 | kicknick | thats where it is supposed to be |
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| 11:09.15 | kicknick | :S |
| 11:09.37 | DenisG | -_- |
| 11:09.46 | streuner | DenisG: what laptop is that? |
| 11:09.46 | soloflyer | and you wont have a source folder for wine unless you specifically specified installationg of the wine source |
| 11:09.46 | DenisG | resolving dependencies by hand sucks. |
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| 11:09.58 | streuner | true |
| 11:10.08 | serkanc | i have all cds in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:10.09 | DenisG | it's afaik the first gericom 15". |
| 11:10.15 | streuner | DenisG: so would you tell us what kind of laptop do you have? |
| 11:10.26 | DenisG | (though it has no manufacturer printed on it) |
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| 11:10.52 | simonrvn | grr, why doesn't eamcs get the x clipboard from xterm+screen, nor vim... |
| 11:11.02 | streuner | DenisG: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/gericom.html |
| 11:11.04 | DenisG | it's a “Network Powernote NBI-233 M3” |
| 11:11.12 | DenisG | i already looked there. |
| 11:11.20 | soloflyer | what are you running |
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| 11:12.01 | streuner | ok |
| 11:12.21 | DenisG | sadly, i only have a 6GB hard disk, so a source-based distribution would be a bad choice. |
| 11:12.38 | DenisG | (compiling sources eats a lot of disk space) |
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| 11:12.55 | DenisG | and it's suboptimal to compile on such a processor, even with distcc |
| 11:13.16 | tarzeau | DenisG: you/ve ever worked with non-i386? |
| 11:13.51 | DenisG | no, I'm sorry. |
| 11:14.26 | streuner | DenisG: Isn't there another NIC already in the laptop? |
| 11:14.27 | DenisG | well, nor did i work with a i386 ;) |
| 11:14.32 | streuner | besides PCMCIA |
| 11:14.34 | DenisG | streuner: no |
| 11:14.38 | serkanc | thx for help RichiH and liable |
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| 11:14.50 | RichiH | np |
| 11:14.51 | DenisG | my first computer was an i486… |
| 11:14.54 | tarzeau | DenisG: you computer is using the binaries that i386 uses |
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| 11:15.05 | tarzeau | DenisG: so it's the same (just with a larger mhz) |
| 11:15.16 | DenisG | more or less, yes. |
| 11:15.38 | DenisG | the weird thing is that it worked with the same diskettes last time. |
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| 11:15.57 | DenisG | you know, i already installed debian on that system, and it worked quite well. |
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| 11:16.15 | DenisG | then the hard disk–being pretty old–broke down. |
| 11:17.05 | DenisG | now i repeated all the steps, but this time, it does not work. |
| 11:17.06 | Mash | hallo |
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| 11:18.04 | imahcine | hye, can i have alsa use more channels at once? |
| 11:18.10 | imahcine | i dont want esound or arts. |
| 11:18.21 | imahcine | i just want alsa to split my cards channels. |
| 11:18.49 | imahcine | its called vchannel on freebsd for example :] |
| 11:19.00 | imahcine | its a sysctl. |
| 11:19.51 | simonrvn | dmix |
| 11:19.54 | simonrvn | @dmix |
| 11:20.00 | simonrvn | !dmix |
| 11:20.00 | dpkg | [dmix] an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 11:20.22 | simonrvn | no esd, no artsd, no crap |
| 11:20.34 | imahcine | great! how can i do it on sid ? |
| 11:20.36 | simonrvn | gawds, i sound like an ad.... |
| 11:20.44 | simonrvn | read ^^^ |
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| 11:23.52 | DenisG | and why the hell doest the installer want me to repartition my hard disk? |
| 11:23.57 | DenisG | it is already partitioned. |
| 11:24.23 | DenisG | no matter which selection i do, the hard disk partitioning wizard comes up. |
| 11:24.26 | DenisG | :@ |
| 11:25.31 | simonrvn | what are trying to do? |
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| 11:25.44 | soloflyer | you there kicknick |
| 11:25.54 | DenisG | installing the base system again with another kernel. |
| 11:26.19 | DenisG | if Debian wants it the Windows way, what am i supposed to do about it? |
| 11:26.25 | simonrvn | fetch the deb manually, then unpack it. do it from chroot |
| 11:26.32 | DenisG | -_- |
| 11:26.39 | nagual | DenisG: you assume the irs position and open your cheekss |
| 11:26.40 | DenisG | yes. The deb with all its dependencies. |
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| 11:28.58 | DenisG | (i won't do that. That's what a packet manager is supposed to do.) |
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| 11:29.02 | simonrvn | the system is installed? |
| 11:29.09 | DenisG | the base system. |
| 11:29.13 | DenisG | without anything. |
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| 11:29.28 | simonrvn | then chroot, and fetch it with apt-get |
| 11:29.38 | DenisG | network doesn't work. |
| 11:29.40 | simonrvn | run base-config, then do that |
| 11:29.50 | DenisG | ah, wait. |
| 11:29.52 | simonrvn | then figure out how to get that up then |
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| 11:29.56 | DenisG | you're right! |
| 11:29.58 | DenisG | :D |
| 11:30.00 | Dman | does anyone here use openbox in debian? |
| 11:30.08 | simonrvn | yes |
| 11:30.10 | simonrvn | @polls |
| 11:30.10 | ravenbird | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid badgers will hurt you. |
| 11:30.26 | simonrvn | no, just ignorant |
| 11:30.38 | Dman | i cant seem to find the default menu.xml file |
| 11:30.41 | simonrvn | usually ignorance is remediable |
| 11:30.42 | Dman | anyonme know where it is? |
| 11:30.56 | simonrvn | ~/.config/ |
| 11:31.18 | Guerin | Dman: in /usr/share/openbox or potentially /usr/share/themes |
| 11:31.18 | DenisG | i already chrooted into the installed system wgetting the kernel tar… |
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| 11:31.18 | simonrvn | cp it from /etc/xdg |
| 11:31.28 | DenisG | and then i was frustrated finding no gcc and left :/ |
| 11:31.33 | Dman | ah |
| 11:31.57 | simonrvn | yup |
| 11:32.11 | simonrvn | changed since v.3 |
| 11:33.14 | soloflyer | Guerin its better than working from swap |
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| 11:33.46 | Guerin | soloflyer: I have no swap. |
| 11:33.49 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 11:34.02 | Guerin | sometimes this means I run out of space in my brain and have to tell people to piss off for a while |
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| 11:34.15 | DenisG | okay. |
| 11:34.17 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 11:34.21 | Guerin | actually |
| 11:34.26 | DenisG | what command have i to issue? |
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| 11:34.31 | smallfoot- | is it possible to DELETE ALL messages from a remote pop3/imap mailbox? |
| 11:34.32 | Guerin | that tends to happen about 5pm each weekday, nowadays |
| 11:34.34 | DenisG | apt-get install gcc doesn't work |
| 11:34.37 | Guerin | !possible |
| 11:34.37 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 11:34.40 | simonrvn | um, to do what? |
| 11:34.46 | smallfoot- | how do i do it? |
| 11:34.46 | Guerin | !b-e DenisG |
| 11:34.47 | dpkg | DenisG: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 11:34.53 | Guerin | smallfoot-: depends on your client |
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| 11:35.09 | DenisG | oO |
| 11:35.25 | DenisG | it just tells me that a package named “gcc” doesn't exist. |
| 11:35.30 | simonrvn | DenisG: do you even have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 11:35.43 | smallfoot- | Guerin, can i do with 'mail' ? |
| 11:35.43 | drac | DenisG: gcc, not @\gcc@] |
| 11:35.47 | simonrvn | you do have to fetch an update, even if you do... |
| 11:35.55 | Guerin | smallfoot-: I don't know mail |
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| 11:36.04 | simonrvn | mail doesn't do pop3 nor imap |
| 11:36.12 | DenisG | ah, i had. but it's commented out, don't know why. |
| 11:36.18 | simonrvn | it does /var/mail/$USER |
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| 11:37.02 | simonrvn | use the right tool, and you can do it |
| 11:37.30 | smallfoot- | ok |
| 11:37.41 | smallfoot- | i have a mail account on a computer it has 9999999999 mail |
| 11:37.43 | smallfoot- | how do i delete all mail? |
| 11:38.24 | antony | i've configured a workstation with ntp to use one of our servers to get the time, but the time isn't correct. any idea how i can encourage ntpd to get it's act together? |
| 11:38.36 | simonrvn | apt-get install mutt; as a normal user: mutt -f imap://user@bar.tld@imap.server.tld/ |
| 11:38.54 | simonrvn | it'll ask for your password |
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| 11:40.45 | jc-denton | will we get more releases now when branden is king? |
| 11:41.00 | Guerin | oh, is the erection finished? |
| 11:41.03 | jc-denton | and newer packages? |
| 11:41.13 | jc-denton | lol |
| 11:41.16 | Guerin | jc-denton: you should have asked him during campaigning :) |
| 11:41.26 | pzn | Hi! I'm trying to open a PDF with xpdf in debian, and is says me: "Error: Couldn't find a font for 'Arial'", so I can't read it. do you know any workaround for changing fonts in PDFs or how to install Arial in xfs? thanks! |
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| 11:41.29 | jc-denton | i'm not a developer |
| 11:41.33 | simonrvn | blah. politics. |
| 11:41.36 | jc-denton | so i cannot wote anyway |
| 11:41.39 | Guerin | jc-denton: doesn't mean you can't ask |
| 11:42.04 | simonrvn | @msttcorefonts |
| 11:42.05 | ravenbird | it has been said that msttcorefonts is This package allows for easy installation of the Microsoft Core True Type Fonts, or the bastards took it out: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm, or http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to your XF86Config-4 file in the "Files" section: ... |
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| 11:42.49 | simonrvn | @msttcorefonts =~ s/http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm, or// |
| 11:42.59 | simonrvn | woops |
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| 11:43.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:43.25 | jc-denton | Guerin: sure |
| 11:43.38 | smallfoot- | simonrvn, thanks it seems to be running now, its fetching headers, i hope it delete message, but it will take long time, because its almost 10000 emails |
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| 11:43.51 | smallfoot- | i wish there was just a simple command that delete all mail in 1 second |
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| 11:44.04 | jc-denton | but i don't really understand what he wants to do now (from what i have read) |
| 11:44.07 | simonrvn | smallfoot-: delete them with ^d, meand delete thread, it'll go a bit faster |
| 11:44.11 | pzn | simonrvn, which dir to add to Files section? |
| 11:44.13 | simonrvn | means* |
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| 11:44.23 | simonrvn | pzn: /msg the bots to find the rest |
| 11:44.33 | simonrvn | i broke something... |
| 11:46.47 | DenisG | WTF. |
| 11:46.47 | simonrvn | smallfoot-: patience, grasshopper |
| 11:46.47 | DenisG | make: command not found?! |
| 11:46.47 | DenisG | oO |
| 11:46.47 | simonrvn | check your $PATH |
| 11:46.47 | pzn | simonrvn, my X uses a remote xfont server (also debian). do you know how to add this font to the Xfontserver? |
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| 11:46.48 | simonrvn | /etc/X11/$fontserver |
| 11:46.48 | smallfoot- | simonrvn: ^d means to hold down CTRL and press the 'd' button? |
| 11:46.48 | simonrvn | err, /etc/X11/$fontserver/config |
| 11:46.48 | simonrvn | yes |
| 11:46.48 | smallfoot- | ok |
| 11:46.48 | simonrvn | holding down d works |
| 11:47.26 | takatumi | peterS: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2005-01-19 21:41 /usr/share/doc/apt |
| 11:47.26 | smallfoot- | after 400+ messages it seems to quit |
| 11:47.26 | streuner | DenisG: apt-get install make |
| 11:47.26 | DenisG | k, thanks. |
| 11:47.27 | Guerin | !b-e DenisG |
| 11:47.27 | dpkg | DenisG: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 11:47.29 | peterS | takatumi: that should be the time of last install/upgrade of 'apt', then |
| 11:47.30 | Guerin | AGAIN |
| 11:47.34 | streuner | DenisG: oh, its the package make |
| 11:47.42 | simonrvn | smallfoot-: $ to purge |
| 11:47.56 | streuner | Guerin: he hasn't a working debian system right now |
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| 11:48.05 | Guerin | streuner: oh. |
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| 11:48.10 | Guerin | mah bayd |
| 11:48.13 | simonrvn | smallfoot-: the imapd maybe can't handle it. go a bit at a time |
| 11:48.19 | takatumi | peterS: ah, was looking for a time for the initial install. |
| 11:48.35 | smallfoot- | simonrvn, but then when i start it again, it starts from 1 again |
| 11:48.42 | peterS | takatumi: initial install of the system as a whole - maybe the timestamp of some file like /etc/group |
| 11:48.56 | simonrvn | smallfoot-: the msgs are marked with 'D'? |
| 11:49.06 | peterS | takatumi: you'd have to find a file in /etc that was modified at install time but not modified since then. not sure what file that is most likely to be |
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| 11:49.28 | takatumi | peterS: it's ironic that it should be this hard. :) |
| 11:49.37 | simonrvn | i have/had some files from 2002 |
| 11:49.57 | peterS | takatumi: maybe /etc/debian_version - that package doesn't change often |
| 11:50.23 | peterS | takatumi: the other thing: ls -lc /etc/whatever. -c means 'actual time of last change', rather than 'time from the tar file' |
| 11:50.26 | takatumi | peterS: yes! -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 2004-07-26 21:03 /etc/debian_version |
| 11:50.43 | jc-denton | and why overfiend? |
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| 11:50.57 | simonrvn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 2004-07-26 14:03 /etc/debian_version |
| 11:50.58 | takatumi | jc-denton: why not? |
| 11:51.04 | peterS | takatumi: use ls -lc, because 2004-07-26 is probably just the time the base-files package was built |
| 11:51.12 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 11:51.19 | alexscott_2 | sorry :S |
| 11:52.30 | peterS | takatumi: the idea is to find a file in a package which very rarely gets an updated version, so the install time will be that of your initial install. I think 'base-files' is such a package. then 'ls -lc' will tell you when the file was unpacked from the package |
| 11:52.41 | jc-denton | lol |
| 11:52.50 | jc-denton | well let's see.. |
| 11:53.42 | peterS | takatumi: also - for general installation logging, use 'aptitude install' in place of 'apt-get install'. aptitude has a command-line interface similar to apt-get's interface, but also keeps a log as /var/log/aptitude* |
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| 11:56.24 | takatumi | peterS: yup -lc is accurate. "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 42762240 2004-08-04 13:08 /suse/root/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 2004-08-05 05:29 /etc/debian_version" |
| 11:56.41 | peterS | takatumi: heh, good deal |
| 11:56.48 | DenisG | well. Suddenly it works. |
| 11:56.53 | DenisG | the network, i mean. |
| 11:57.07 | DenisG | after apt-getting build-essentials. |
| 11:57.16 | simonrvn | well, take advantage of it then ;) |
| 11:57.36 | streuner | DenisG: you fix your network, how? |
| 11:57.50 | DenisG | don't have a clue. |
| 11:57.55 | DenisG | it just started workng. |
| 11:57.59 | pzn | I followed all instructions on "/msg dpkg msttcorefonts", and Arial.ttf is in my filesystem. xpdf continues to complain that it can not find Arial. Do you have any hint about how to debug this? |
| 11:58.10 | streuner | DenisG: hahaha, magic? |
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| 11:58.38 | DenisG | maybe it was just rebooting, like in WINDOWS? |
| 11:58.44 | DenisG | -_- |
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| 11:58.49 | crashbg | i've just installed bittornado but there is no bit* or tor* comand? how can i start bittornado from the console? |
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| 11:59.10 | crashbg | there is no man bittornado also? |
| 11:59.13 | takatumi | crashbg: dpkg -L bittornado |grep bin |
| 11:59.25 | dpblnt | crackhead, dpkg -L bittorando |
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| 11:59.39 | crashbg | it is installed! |
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| 11:59.56 | crashbg | ii bittornado 0.3.10-3 bittorrent client with enhanced curses inter |
| 12:00.02 | kicknick | soloflyer??????? |
| 12:00.05 | dpblnt | crashbg, -L |
| 12:00.06 | takatumi | peterS: btw, I do like aptitude, but the occasional apt-get is unstoppable. |
| 12:00.14 | soloflyer | use |
| 12:00.15 | soloflyer | yes |
| 12:00.21 | kicknick | hello again |
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| 12:00.31 | peterS | takatumi: 'aptitude install' behaves almost like 'apt-get install' so there's very rarely any need to use apt-get |
| 12:00.31 | DenisG | well, then. I'm enjoying the spring sun. |
| 12:00.39 | DenisG | cya all. |
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| 12:00.47 | peterS | takatumi: the exception, for me, is 'apt-get build-dep' - aptitude doesn't have an equivalent command |
| 12:00.48 | soloflyer | apt-get install smbclient |
| 12:00.52 | streuner | have fun |
| 12:00.57 | simonrvn | have fun |
| 12:01.01 | simonrvn | streuner: heh |
| 12:01.24 | soloflyer | try that kicknick |
| 12:01.29 | crashbg | takatumi, dpblnt i get it now 10x :) |
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| 12:02.06 | takatumi | peterS: maybe I'll just alias it. :) |
| 12:02.12 | peterS | takatumi: heh |
| 12:02.22 | kicknick | why do i want to install the smb client :S |
| 12:02.36 | soloflyer | because the smbclient contains the net command |
| 12:03.00 | soloflyer | and the net command has an rpc option called shutdown |
| 12:03.20 | kicknick | ok i wont argue with that :D |
| 12:03.24 | soloflyer | and if you cant work out what the option does then we have major problems |
| 12:03.30 | kicknick | lol |
| 12:03.33 | soloflyer | hehe :P |
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| 12:03.55 | kicknick | i aready have it installed |
| 12:04.02 | kicknick | already* |
| 12:04.18 | soloflyer | let me just work out syntax |
| 12:04.24 | tasos | Has anyone managed to get a flash-plugin working (all the time) on FIrefox with an AMD64 system? |
| 12:04.41 | dpblnt | soloflyer, isn't it samba-common, who has net command? |
| 12:04.45 | streuner | tasos: #debian-amd64 |
| 12:05.15 | soloflyer | yeah but if smbclient is installed then samba-common is installed |
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| 12:05.51 | dpblnt | soloflyer, ehh, what about komba2? :) |
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| 12:06.09 | pzn | how can I list the fontpaths that my running Xserver is using? |
| 12:06.17 | jm_ | pzn: xset fp |
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| 12:06.24 | jm_ | wait, not fp but q |
| 12:06.28 | jm_ | q as in query |
| 12:06.32 | soloflyer | ok ok but smbclient is handy to have anyway :P |
| 12:07.10 | dpblnt | soloflyer, agreed. :) |
| 12:07.27 | soloflyer | :P |
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| 12:08.32 | soloflyer | kicknick, ok try net rpc shutdown -S IP Address |
| 12:08.38 | pzn | jm_: it is using my old path... I already changed config file and run "xset fp rehash", but it is using old config. how to tell X to reread config file? |
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| 12:09.06 | pzn | jm_: config file => XF86Config-4 |
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| 12:09.36 | jethro | paulswm: why do you wonder about this? |
| 12:10.12 | andi5 | pzn: edit XF86Config-4, if you dont want to restart x, read `man xset`, +fp |
| 12:10.49 | paulswm | jethro: from yesterday (time is EDT): Apr 10 05:32:11 <dragonkh> omg - I just dropped my workking mem stick down |
| 12:10.49 | paulswm | the toilet !!! - will it be ok ? |
| 12:11.07 | soloflyer | heh |
| 12:11.16 | jethro | paulswm: oh ok :) |
| 12:11.17 | soloflyer | just dont put it in your mouth |
| 12:11.18 | paulswm | jethro: There was quite a long and surreal conversation about it |
| 12:11.32 | jm_ | pzn: you can't, you need to change it with xset fp* commands to apply to running server |
| 12:12.05 | paulswm | He pas peeing at the time he dropped it. He then dried it off with a hair dryer no doubt loading it with static. |
| 12:12.11 | paulswm | s/pas/was/ |
| 12:12.14 | pzn | andi5, jm_: I also want to check if my config file is ok. I'll restart X then. will be back soon... |
| 12:12.33 | kicknick | says net command not found soloflyer |
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| 12:13.19 | jethro | paulswm: hah |
| 12:13.26 | soloflyer | ok make sure that samba-common is installed |
| 12:13.31 | kicknick | it says it is |
| 12:13.47 | soloflyer | are u running stable? |
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| 12:14.03 | paulswm | jethro: Even for a Sunday, that one is going to be difficult to beat |
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| 12:14.12 | jethro | paulswm: true :) |
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| 12:14.23 | kicknick | yeah |
| 12:14.25 | kicknick | woody version |
| 12:14.31 | crashbg | now i get "rejected by tracker - missing key"? |
| 12:14.34 | jethro | the hair dryer part is the better one :) |
| 12:14.56 | soloflyer | gimme 5 |
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| 12:15.04 | crashbg | i have user and password for the torrent site, but i don't see option in btdownload for user and pass |
| 12:15.08 | Guerin | well, fuck me dead |
| 12:15.17 | Guerin | nothing will boot on this evil korean computer |
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| 12:15.19 | jethro | !fuck guerin dead |
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| 12:15.34 | Guerin | d-i, ubuntu, knoppix, xfld |
| 12:15.39 | soloflyer | guerin umm no goto #necrophila |
| 12:15.58 | paulswm | Guerin: How odd. |
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| 12:16.50 | paulswm | Guerin: It just won't boot from the CD drive, do you mean? |
| 12:17.01 | soloflyer | i thought that net was in samba-common i dosent look like it is |
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| 12:17.53 | zeeble | anyone got a nice howto or pointers to installing tomcat4 on debian? |
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| 12:18.33 | paulswm | jethro: No, the best was his description of using the "suck pump thing" as it "slid down the ubend pipe" |
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| 12:18.39 | Guerin | well, it'll boot |
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| 12:18.44 | sly007 | XMMS can play files when logged as root, but it can't as a normal user, the error being failed to open audio output: ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin. How to fix that? |
| 12:18.52 | Guerin | but when it tries to mount the loopback filesystem, it dies |
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| 12:19.35 | kicknick | soloflyer what about net-tools |
| 12:19.53 | jm_ | sly007: you're not in the audio group or permissions on your device files are screwed |
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| 12:20.50 | sly007 | is it -G audio or -g audio to add my user to audio: usermod -G audio theuser ? |
| 12:20.57 | jm_ | no, /msg dpkg audio |
| 12:21.01 | jm_ | that will tell you the command |
| 12:21.13 | Kurniady | where can I find the logfile for DBMail in Debian? |
| 12:21.35 | soloflyer | no its not in net-tools but there is lots of good stuff in that package |
| 12:21.55 | kicknick | i dont think it is in any of them soloflyer |
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| 12:23.47 | gds_ | hi everybody |
| 12:23.47 | soloflyer | try specifying to get samba-common from unstable |
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| 12:24.35 | soloflyer | yes its in samba-common in unstable |
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| 12:25.09 | gds_ | How about Ubuntu versus sid? |
| 12:25.10 | soloflyer | or if you dont like the idea of unstable try testing |
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| 12:26.20 | kicknick | how do i get that then :S |
| 12:26.42 | kicknick | i dont know how to select wether stable or unstable :S |
| 12:26.58 | eugenesan | hi all, i am transfering debian to new system and have problems with uid/gid versus owner/group on whole root filesystem. Is there any tool that can help me? |
| 12:27.02 | paulswm | !tell kicknick about d-i |
| 12:27.04 | Guerin | gds_: how about fish versus chicken? |
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| 12:27.28 | paulswm | kicknick: sarge == testing |
| 12:27.35 | Rambo3 | who has ati graphic card ? which one of the drivers listed by dpkg boot did work for you |
| 12:27.39 | kicknick | but i am using woody |
| 12:27.40 | Kurniady | the packages from the stable branch is quite outdated I think... |
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| 12:28.05 | jm_ | eugenesan: what problems? |
| 12:28.17 | paulswm | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 12:28.17 | dpkg | i guess woody->sarge is Then "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes> |
| 12:28.18 | gds_ | Guerin, aren't Ubuntu and Sid s.o.? |
| 12:28.26 | soloflyer | apt-get install -t unstable samba-common |
| 12:28.28 | paulswm | kicknick: ^^ |
| 12:28.32 | Kurniady | kicknick : I'm using Woody too and so far I haven't got problem updating packages to the unstable/testing branch |
| 12:28.47 | pzn | in xfontsel, Arial is under fndry "monotype", is this correct? |
| 12:29.07 | Guerin | gds_: s.o ? |
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| 12:29.13 | andi5 | pzn: just wanted to tell you X :1 for the next time ;) |
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| 12:29.45 | pzn | andi5, nice hint! thanks! :-) |
| 12:29.46 | gds_ | Guerin, operative systems |
| 12:30.00 | eugenesan | jm_: i transferred root tree to new debian machine but have different UIDs and GIDs on file. |
| 12:30.03 | Guerin | gds_: chicken and fish are both foods |
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| 12:30.28 | kicknick | u have completely confused me now :( |
| 12:30.46 | soloflyer | huh |
| 12:30.49 | soloflyer | how |
| 12:31.01 | andi5 | eugenesan: maybe something like find / -uid <olduid> -exec chown <newuid>:<newgid> {} \; or something like that? but beware of overlapping old/new uids ;) |
| 12:31.03 | soloflyer | run apt-get install -t unstable samba-common |
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| 12:31.08 | jm_ | eugenesan: how did you transfer it? |
| 12:31.12 | kicknick | am i sposed ot do all the stuff that dpkg just said |
| 12:31.19 | eugenesan | jm_: rsync |
| 12:31.21 | soloflyer | no just do this |
| 12:31.24 | gds_ | Can't we compare Debian Sid and Ubuntu, Guerin? |
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| 12:31.37 | soloflyer | run apt-get install -t unstable samba-common |
| 12:31.41 | Putiikki | how to take file's first line? (grep?) |
| 12:31.43 | jm_ | eugenesan: is this on the same machine? |
| 12:31.50 | jm_ | Putiikki: head, sed, ... |
| 12:31.55 | Putiikki | ok |
| 12:31.57 | soloflyer | wtf |
| 12:32.15 | pzn | Putiikki, man head |
| 12:32.29 | Guerin | grep, awk |
| 12:32.48 | Putiikki | ok, that's enough :) |
| 12:32.50 | eugenesan | jm_ no, and i also applied passwd/group files after transfer. Now i hav to fix owners on whole tree and looking for tool that will help me. |
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| 12:33.02 | andi5 | Putiikki: perl, python, c, c++, ... |
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| 12:33.14 | gds_ | Do you now any program for organize and listening m4a files? |
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| 12:33.58 | jethro | eugenesan: how bout chown/chmod ? |
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| 12:34.42 | eugenesan | jethro: yes, but it can't be so smart ans selective. |
| 12:34.42 | crashbg | yea, recursively :) |
| 12:34.54 | gds_ | I've got a file (ContentsDB.xml) with list of files and meta data for Ipod... can I use it with pc? |
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| 12:35.02 | jethro | eugenesan: then wrap thses commands with a shell script |
| 12:35.11 | jethro | good monday greycat |
| 12:35.20 | greycat | !sing monday |
| 12:35.20 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 12:35.30 | jm_ | eugenesan: generate the chown commands on old host, then apply it on new |
| 12:35.45 | eugenesan | jehtro: it would be nice, but i don't want to debug it on live system. A hoped someone already done it... |
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| 12:36.21 | jethro | eugenesan: I don't get what the problem is, really |
| 12:37.15 | andi5 | eugenesan: modifications to the new user database impossible/not_feasible? |
| 12:37.21 | eugenesan | jethro: i am talking about changing owner/group Ids on root file system with 32000 files. I can't get it done manualy.... |
| 12:37.30 | greycat | eugenesan: reinstall. |
| 12:37.44 | jethro | eugenesan: that's why I meant to use a shellscript |
| 12:38.44 | andi5 | eugenesan: did you read my find-command? ;) if you do not have too many users then this could be done in P ;) |
| 12:39.33 | eugenesan | reintsall wont help. Installer/debconf will creatr new fifferent UIDs anyway. |
| 12:39.51 | greycat | huh? |
| 12:39.57 | soloflyer | kicknick i think you have to change your apt sources in order to get unstable packages |
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| 12:40.03 | kicknick | ok |
| 12:40.31 | eugenesan | huh? what does it mean? |
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| 12:40.47 | kicknick | i have just done the woody to sarge thign lol |
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| 12:41.09 | soloflyer | what u did a dist upgrade? |
| 12:41.20 | jethro | !u |
| 12:41.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 12:41.39 | soloflyer | oh shutup :P |
| 12:41.43 | greycat | eugenesan: what on earth possesses you to believe that the UIDs corresponding to the basic system accounts would *change randomly*? |
| 12:41.43 | sml | If you install sarge from fresh and forget to include pcmcia_core module, is there a quick way to fix this? like copy the modules object file from the install.iso to the /lib/modules dir ? |
| 12:41.45 | dhuv | hello al |
| 12:41.46 | dhuv | all |
| 12:42.09 | greycat | soloflyer: and "shut up" is two words. |
| 12:42.15 | dhuv | on friday i upgraded to the latest evolution which is 2.2.1.1, evolution-data-server 1.2.1 and evolution-exchange 2.0.3 |
| 12:42.24 | mike_ | hi, is it at all possible to remotely log onto a tty that is already logged in so you can execute a command? Sort of a VNC tty thing. |
| 12:42.27 | dhuv | when connecting to the exchange server I am getting (evolution:6140): evolution-mail-WARNING **: couldn't get service exchange://dhavalp@nyexchange/;ad_server=ilfiles.adrembi.com;mailbox=dhaval;owa_path=/exchange;pf_server=NYEXCHANGE: No |
| 12:42.28 | dhuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.29 | soloflyer | apt-get remove spellcheck |
| 12:42.31 | eugenesan | greycat: that what i am looking at. I have 3 debian systems with different UIDs for ssh,www-data,bind.... |
| 12:42.32 | greycat | mike_: screen -x |
| 12:42.46 | mike_ | greycat: thanks mate, i'll look it up |
| 12:42.54 | dhuv | does anyone know why I get "Noprovider available for protocol `exchange'" |
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| 12:43.19 | soloflyer | kicknick so what have YOU done |
| 12:43.46 | kicknick | i have done dist upgrade |
| 12:43.48 | simonrvn | dhuv: means the box has no clue what exchange:// is |
| 12:43.51 | soloflyer | ok |
| 12:43.58 | kicknick | was that a bad idea? |
| 12:43.58 | sml | eugenesan: they will have different UID's a UID is only a userid. depends on the order they were created and also what the first available number was/is :) |
| 12:44.03 | mike_ | greycat: is that in the package 'screen'? |
| 12:44.04 | dhuv | simonrvn: i can see that :), but why |
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| 12:44.14 | greycat | mike_: yes |
| 12:44.27 | simonrvn | dhuv: it has no idea on how to treat that uri |
| 12:44.33 | greycat | sml: that's horrible. |
| 12:44.42 | kicknick | soloflyer: was that a bad idea? |
| 12:44.50 | soloflyer | no thats good |
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| 12:45.03 | simonrvn | dhuv: either it doesn't have the support or 'exchange' isn't mapped to anything in /etc/services. but i think it's the former |
| 12:45.04 | eugenesan | sml: yes, but when u copy files from another system it attach wrong username ot unknow user. |
| 12:45.04 | soloflyer | testing is qutie stable |
| 12:45.11 | soloflyer | quite |
| 12:45.27 | soloflyer | im running unstable |
| 12:45.31 | kicknick | ok |
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| 12:45.41 | simonrvn | eugenesan: um, so you sync them? |
| 12:45.44 | simonrvn | ... |
| 12:46.01 | sml | greycat: what's horrible ? |
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| 12:46.16 | Guerin | !win me |
| 12:46.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 12:46.22 | eugenesan | simonrvn: what did u mean? |
| 12:46.25 | sml | eugenesan: erm. of course they will what's your point ? |
| 12:46.27 | Guerin | finally got something to boot on this evil pos |
| 12:46.28 | greycat | sml: that basic fundamental system user accounts like ssh would not be created as part of the base system install, and therefore may *vary* among Debian systems. |
| 12:46.28 | jethro | Guerin: managed to boot it frmo a usb pen ? heh |
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| 12:46.36 | Guerin | jethro: heh, that was my next plan |
| 12:46.38 | simonrvn | eugenesan: exactly what i said |
| 12:46.40 | jethro | Guerin: ;) |
| 12:46.41 | Guerin | jethro: but failsafe worked |
| 12:46.47 | sml | greycat: I thought he was on about other linuxs not other debians |
| 12:46.50 | jethro | good to hear theat |
| 12:47.04 | simonrvn | sml: doesn't matter. what greycat said still applies |
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| 12:47.28 | FlopsyPete | I'm using testing and want linux-wlan-ng drivers. I notice they're available in unstable as a package for the 2.4 kernel, are they not available for 2.6 bcos they're already included in the kernel? |
| 12:47.36 | dhuv | simonrvn: it seems that it doesnt have support, but i have evolution-exchange package installed, why wouldnt it have support, what else does it need? |
| 12:47.41 | dhuv | i dont know where to find out |
| 12:47.46 | greycat | FlopsyPete: /msg dpkg works in 2.4 |
| 12:47.48 | simonrvn | what you get in /usr/share/doc/base-files/group or whatever is what you get with every debian install. the rest is changable |
| 12:47.52 | greycat | !bcos |
| 12:47.52 | sml | simonrvn: for system accounts YES , however it doesn't apply nor make sense for normal user accounts. |
| 12:47.58 | simonrvn | dhuv: then you need to do the latter |
| 12:47.59 | greycat | sml: of course not. |
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| 12:48.12 | jethro | hah |
| 12:48.17 | FlopsyPete | or bcos there's an RC bug for them not compiling for 2.6.10? |
| 12:48.20 | dhuv | simonrvn: add exchange to /etc/services? |
| 12:48.28 | simonrvn | yeh, right. explain that to an ldap based network ;) |
| 12:48.33 | sml | anyway greycat i bolloxed up my sarge install by forgetting to include pcmcia_core can I just copy it from the cd to /lib/modules and modprobe it ? |
| 12:48.37 | jethro | FlopsyPete: it's *because* and not bcos |
| 12:48.53 | FlopsyPete | jethro: why are you telling me that? |
| 12:49.07 | jethro | FlopsyPete: because you seem not to know how to spell because |
| 12:49.10 | greycat | sml: if it's a package, just put the .deb on the CD |
| 12:49.14 | tosh| | because learning how to learn a languagesystem is just like using any other system |
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| 12:49.33 | jethro | FlopsyPete: and reading AOL like typing gives me anal pains |
| 12:49.45 | drac | hmm, is there freenode channel for Debian GNU/kFreeBSD? |
| 12:49.49 | simonrvn | you sit on your head? :P |
| 12:49.57 | jethro | :) |
| 12:50.07 | simonrvn | you ealked into that one ;) |
| 12:50.10 | sml | greycat: the pcmcia kernel module wont load for card services coz I forgot to install it from the modules part of the sarge install. what's the easiest way to rectify this calamity ? |
| 12:50.10 | simonrvn | walked* |
| 12:50.16 | FlopsyPete | jethro: why do I need to be brought up on my spelling on some non-technical word in here? I used 'bcos' to save typing |
| 12:50.18 | jethro | drac: I think so, but can't recall the channel |
| 12:50.33 | takatumi | FlopsyPete: 2.6 has those drivers built-in iirc. |
| 12:50.37 | jethro | FlopsyPete: don't *save* typing, just type properly, or most people here will blame you, and not answer |
| 12:50.38 | simonrvn | drac: /msg chanserv list *debian* |
| 12:50.46 | drac | ah, thanks. |
| 12:50.46 | FlopsyPete | takatumi: thanks |
| 12:51.02 | simonrvn | installer modules i guess |
| 12:51.06 | sml | greycat: well installer modules |
| 12:51.10 | greycat | drac: #debian-bsd |
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| 12:51.24 | greycat | sml: how did you install sarge? |
| 12:51.31 | sml | greycat: and since i didn't specify i know have the pcmcia ones which means im buggered. i installed sarge from cd. |
| 12:51.56 | drac | greycat: only 1 person there :/ |
| 12:52.13 | jethro | drac: you ? |
| 12:52.28 | drac | that would make 2 person :) |
| 12:52.37 | drac | but i allready parted |
| 12:52.40 | drac | damn :i |
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| 12:52.54 | jethro | heh |
| 12:53.51 | greycat | does anyone have a *clue* what sml is talking about? is this some new prompt for software removal in RC3 that I'm not aware of? |
| 12:54.11 | mike_ | greyhat: ok, what am i doing wrong here: screen -r mike/tty1/10.0.0.1 |
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| 12:55.03 | directhex|work | greycat, rc3 smelled like rc2 with -2- kernels when i last used it |
| 12:55.19 | greycat | mike_: damned if i know what the hell you're doing. Open two xterms. Run "screen" in one of them, and then run something like "top" inside of screen. In the second xterm, run "screen -x". Watch. |
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| 12:55.38 | mike_ | greycat: ok |
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| 12:56.43 | dhuv | simonrvn: are there any other channels where I can ask about this problem? |
| 12:56.59 | simonrvn | i don't know |
| 12:57.06 | dhuv | I tried gnome before I asked here, but nobody can help me with that |
| 12:57.15 | sml | greycat: OK. I'll try again :-) I installed sarge and I then installed pcmcia-cs. When it tries to start the service I get "Failed to load pcmcia_core", which is obviously because I dont have it as a module under /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386. How do I fix this :) |
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| 12:57.49 | dhuv | i submitted a bug request, but i am not sure if this is an evolution-exchange bug, i believe it works on a live cd that i tried |
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| 12:58.06 | sep | sml: guess: your kernel-image version and your pcmcia-cs version dont match |
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| 12:58.32 | sep | sml: or youer missing kernel-pcmcia-modules |
| 12:58.37 | directhex|work | -1- kernels are obsolete in sarge |
| 12:58.40 | sml | sep: find /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386 -name 'pcmcia' -print, yields nada |
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| 12:59.33 | groton | hello all. It seems that usually one do not need to include the pthread library when linking any C++ source on most platforms, but on Debian. I have indeed to added the flag -lpthread to many applications I installed. Anyone knows how to make the pthread libraries autonmatically linked? |
| 12:59.45 | sep | sml: install your kernel-pcmcia-modules matching your kernel then |
| 12:59.51 | sml | directhex|work: well its the only cd i have, and i dont have any blanks at the moment to make a newer .iso from the latest sarge iso. however once i get my pcmcia card working i'll be sure to get the latest sarge kernel. |
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| 13:00.06 | greycat | groton: gcc wants "-pthreads". |
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| 13:01.02 | soloflyer | yawn |
| 13:01.14 | sml | sep: well that was my original question :-). How do I install the kernel module for the pcmcia_core |
| 13:01.36 | sep | sml apt-get install kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 13:01.45 | sep | if that is the kernel you have |
| 13:01.55 | sep | replace with correct version number if wrong |
| 13:02.05 | greycat | he may be better off installing kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 and then the matching kernel-pcmcia-wossnames |
| 13:02.21 | greycat | since -1-386 is unsupported now and has no -headers, etc. |
| 13:02.34 | sml | greycat: its not on my cd and since i have no network support im fucked for the time being |
| 13:02.46 | sml | greycat: if i *had* a blank cd i would be ok.. |
| 13:02.48 | greycat | sml: so download it and then PUT IT on a CD. |
| 13:03.03 | sml | greycat: well duh! read above :) |
| 13:03.12 | Guerin | oh ffs |
| 13:03.24 | Guerin | here's a nickel, kid, go buy yourself a blank cd |
| 13:03.25 | greycat | sml: you mean you've wasted, what, an *hour* of people's time here in #debian because you can't spend 25 fucking cents on a blank CD-R?? |
| 13:03.26 | directhex|work | !rube goldberg install |
| 13:03.26 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 13:03.32 | sml | *once* I get my pcmcia card up i'll change my apt target and install the -2- kernel from debian mirros |
| 13:03.34 | sep | sml: Size: 267430 put it on a floppy or a usbpen or whatever |
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| 13:04.03 | tosh| | mmm |
| 13:04.16 | Guerin | hahah |
| 13:04.19 | sml | greycat: its not the 25 cents but the fact that there is no shop around here, i'd have to get one tomorrow and i really need this box up. |
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| 13:04.30 | sml | Guerin: lol. |
| 13:04.30 | Guerin | internet explorer can't resolve dns in windows |
| 13:04.37 | Guerin | but any other program can |
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| 13:04.47 | Guerin | this sounds like the best-case scenario to me |
| 13:04.49 | jm_ | Guerin: proxy perhaps? |
| 13:04.51 | directhex|work | Guerin, check /etc/hosts for dodgy entries that may confuse it |
| 13:05.00 | Guerin | maybe |
| 13:05.01 | directhex|work | Guerin, or a dodgy arab proxy set by spyware |
| 13:05.09 | Guerin | but it's all in krean, so I can't really tell |
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| 13:05.12 | jm_ | hehe |
| 13:05.22 | Guerin | it's behing a nat, which might confuse it |
| 13:05.33 | directhex|work | sorry, c:/windows/system32/drivers/etc/hosts |
| 13:05.37 | jm_ | LANG=C, except it's not that simple in Windows |
| 13:05.43 | greycat | when did this become #windows |
| 13:06.05 | Guerin | firefox works, so all is well |
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| 13:06.32 | streuner | greycat: never! |
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| 13:06.57 | LeBear | I've got a PCI soundblaster 5.1 card that I'm trying to setup. What module should I be trying to use here? |
| 13:06.59 | drac | yes, I found it. #gnu-kbsd :) |
| 13:07.09 | jmd | what's happened to dwn this week? |
| 13:07.10 | soloflyer | about the time they started writing crossover apps like samba and wine |
| 13:07.45 | groton | greycat, ok, so it is better to add -pthreads instead of -lpthreads? |
| 13:07.49 | streuner | jmd: subsribe to debian-news ML |
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| 13:08.11 | greycat | groton: because gcc wants you to |
| 13:08.40 | directhex|work | LeBear, depends on the card, there are about 4 different 5.1 sound card modules that may apply |
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| 13:08.50 | directhex|work | LeBear, what is the EXACT name of the card? |
| 13:09.08 | groton | greycat, ok. but gcc wants it only on my debian. onthe others i have no proeblems :) |
| 13:09.15 | greycat | groton: man gcc |
| 13:09.22 | ak70 | Does anyone know how many packages of gnome 2.10 are still not in experimental? |
| 13:09.23 | LeBear | directhex|work: Soundblaster Live! 5.1 Digital |
| 13:09.31 | groton | greycat, ok |
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| 13:10.06 | streuner | ak70: go to arioth and find out |
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| 13:10.35 | LeBear | ohyeah.. and forgot to mention. I'm running testing/sarge. |
| 13:11.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:11.06 | Guerin | arioth |
| 13:11.20 | sml | greycat: looks like I'll have to go into town and buy a CD, since cardmgr just hangs whilst probing the card (hangs at cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff). This aint anything to do with -1- and -2- is it (lol). |
| 13:11.25 | FlopsyPete | I'm trying to find what module to run for linux-wlan-ng, how do I find what modules are available in the current kernel? |
| 13:11.42 | streuner | Guerin: ah, one sec. |
| 13:11.42 | ak70 | sorry, I do not know the arioth's url, can you tell me? |
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| 13:11.53 | jethro | FlopsyPete: man lsmod / man modprobe |
| 13:11.54 | greycat | it boggles the mind how people can exist and pretend to be unix system admins without having blank CDs or floppies available |
| 13:12.10 | streuner | ak70: http://alioth.debian.org/ |
| 13:12.27 | ak70 | thanks |
| 13:12.31 | FlopsyPete | jethro: forgot I could do that :) |
| 13:12.43 | jethro | FlopsyPete: do what? use the man command? |
| 13:12.46 | sml | greycat: I'm not a unix sysadmin. |
| 13:12.54 | directhex|work | LeBear, that should be emu10k1 |
| 13:12.59 | directhex|work | or the alsa version, i forget the name |
| 13:13.10 | greycat | sml: then why are you administering a unix box? |
| 13:13.15 | directhex|work | greycat, how about blank LTO tapes? |
| 13:13.16 | LeBear | directhex|work: Hrmmm.. so if I get an error when I modprobe it.. what would that imply? |
| 13:13.24 | FlopsyPete | jethro: yeah, I've been searching the web instead for what to use with modprobe, forgot that man modprobe might help |
| 13:13.30 | directhex|work | LeBear, that depends on the error |
| 13:13.30 | sml | greycat: well that's a unix USER is it not :) |
| 13:13.36 | jethro | !lart FlopsyPete |
| 13:13.51 | greycat | directhex|work: we don't have that kind of drive here. |
| 13:14.10 | greycat | directhex|work: I can get hold of plenty of blank DDS-2 and DDS-3, and I have a handful of VXA2... |
| 13:14.12 | jethro | any decent unix admin should have a hammer close to him |
| 13:14.25 | sml | greycat: You're not implying that everyone that uses a unix box is a sysadmin are you? Since sysadmins have responsibilities (like making sure they dont run out of blank cds). |
| 13:14.41 | sml | greycat: I guess I only differ in that I neglect such responsibility, and hence do not call myself an admin lol. |
| 13:14.44 | LeBear | directhex|work: init_module: No such device and then your standard modprobe error for loading the wrong module |
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| 13:14.51 | soloflyer | oops |
| 13:14.58 | dhuv | i see why the latest evolution doesnt work, evolution has been updated but the exchanged connector has not been updated |
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| 13:15.20 | directhex|work | LeBear, what does uname -r report? |
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| 13:15.29 | jethro | dhuv: just ask for a pop3 connector on your MS exchagne server ;) |
| 13:15.31 | greycat | sml> [...] i'd have to get one tomorrow and i really need this box up. |
| 13:15.35 | greycat | that sounds like an admin to me. |
| 13:15.40 | soloflyer | directhex|work kernel version |
| 13:15.44 | greycat | a user would just go watch sitcoms on TV instead |
| 13:15.45 | dhuv | jethro: i am doing that now with imap |
| 13:15.46 | LeBear | directhex|work: 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 13:15.51 | dhuv | but the contacts do not work |
| 13:16.03 | directhex|work | LeBear, you should really be on a -2- |
| 13:16.06 | dhuv | its a hassle trying to find the contacts any other way |
| 13:16.06 | jethro | dhuv: ya imap is fine too, but doens't share contacts indeed |
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| 13:16.13 | directhex|work | LeBear, try checking lsmod output |
| 13:16.14 | soloflyer | use uname -a for more information |
| 13:16.26 | jethro | dhuv: are contacts stored in a directory server of some sort? |
| 13:16.32 | dhuv | any idea when the latest release will be available? |
| 13:16.41 | dhuv | jethro: its stored in exchange |
| 13:16.44 | jethro | !tell dhuv -about wir |
| 13:16.49 | dhuv | i can go to webmail and look it up that way :) |
| 13:16.56 | dhuv | but its still a hassle :) |
| 13:16.59 | LeBear | hrmm maybe it upgraded the kernel and I haven't rebooted yet.. |
| 13:17.00 | jethro | taht's not convenient |
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| 13:17.14 | sml | greycat: I only want the box up so I can watch a dvd on it at home. I mean there are no bloody computer shops around here and I wanted to watch it tonight. If I *really* needed the box up (like it was doing something important) then I'd send a courier to get me a cd if it came to it. |
| 13:17.22 | jethro | dhuv: if you use exchange2k+ you should be able to query the Directory |
| 13:18.20 | dhuv | jethro: how? through ldap query? |
| 13:18.22 | FlopsyPete | how do I find which Debian 2.6 kernels have linux-wlan-ng modules built in? |
| 13:18.25 | LeBear | Hrmmm there's new stuff in apt-get dist-upgrade.... |
| 13:18.27 | jethro | dhuv: indeed |
| 13:19.09 | sml | greycat: I had to do an install on a box the other day from floppies and one of the floppies was a module floppy I just assumed the cd install was similar and that i'd forgotten to tell it I needed the pcmcia module. its only the second time I've done a sarge install, the first time being the floppy based install (the cdrom drive was broken in the machine lol). |
| 13:19.09 | soloflyer | FlopsyPete you mean in precompiled kernels? |
| 13:19.28 | FlopsyPete | soloflyer: yeah |
| 13:19.37 | greycat | sml: no, installing from CD is quite different from floppies. You just get the whole base system all at once. |
| 13:19.49 | jethro | FlopsyPete: dpkg --get-selections | grep kernel-image |
| 13:20.06 | sml | greycat: Yeah I noticed that after the shocked responses I got when I said have I fogotten to select what kernel modules I want during install. |
| 13:20.18 | directhex|work | god bless aptitude install quake2 |
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| 13:20.33 | sml | greycat: You're right though I do need some more blanks, and it looks like I'll have to use a more up-to-date sarge install CD since the pcmcia_core causes my system to hang. |
| 13:20.38 | sml | greycat: so off to the shops I go! |
| 13:20.51 | sml | be back in two hours! |
| 13:21.07 | greycat | (go buy a DVD player too while you're out!) |
| 13:21.13 | sml | greycat: lol. |
| 13:21.21 | directhex|work | and some cake |
| 13:21.21 | soloflyer | and a dvd burner |
| 13:21.23 | jethro | can't you get DVD players for less then 25 bucks now? |
| 13:21.36 | directhex|work | infact, screw the pc, buy a playstation 2. that'll do dvds AND other things |
| 13:21.38 | greycat | jethro: I'd expect more like $50-$75 USD |
| 13:21.48 | jethro | greycat: there are some here in france for less then 30 euros |
| 13:21.49 | soloflyer | and a 6ft plasma television |
| 13:21.50 | directhex|work | sony will even sell you linux for ps2 |
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| 13:21.56 | greycat | soloflyer: hah |
| 13:22.00 | jethro | proly bad ones, but still, cheap ones |
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| 13:22.10 | LeBear | directhex|work: something funny happened in my install I think. I'm just configuring discover now. I'm going to finish this apt-get dist-upgrade, reboot and then see if it works. |
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| 13:22.38 | directhex|work | LeBear, and you'll install a -2- kernel too, since -1-1 kernels are unsupported & insecure |
| 13:22.45 | FlopsyPete | jethro: I don't understand how I use that to find what modules that kernel has built in |
| 13:22.57 | LeBear | directhex|work: kernel isn't automatically updated by dist-upgrade? |
| 13:23.12 | greycat | LeBear: rarely |
| 13:23.19 | LeBear | ahh... ok. didnt know that. |
| 13:23.19 | jethro | FlopsyPete: I misread your earlier question sorry |
| 13:23.27 | FlopsyPete | ok |
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| 13:23.31 | greycat | FlopsyPete: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:23.36 | directhex|work | LeBear, if there's a change in the content of kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686, then yes, but it won't take you from kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686 to kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 13:23.49 | directhex|work | 386, even |
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| 13:24.34 | FlopsyPete | greycat: great, thanks |
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| 13:25.27 | bltzfsck | i'm running out of space on my root filesystem harddrive |
| 13:25.34 | directhex|work | delete things |
| 13:25.38 | petemc | add a new disk |
| 13:25.40 | directhex|work | try apt-get clean |
| 13:25.50 | LeBear | don't put so much in /root |
| 13:25.54 | soloflyer | try rm -rf / |
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| 13:26.13 | petemc | *bam* |
| 13:26.17 | bltzfsck | what about all the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:26.24 | Phated | Fastest fingers in IRC. :) |
| 13:26.29 | bltzfsck | some of those files are huge |
| 13:26.42 | petemc | bltzfsck: see what directhex|work said |
| 13:27.00 | bltzfsck | my /home dir is mounted on a separate drive, so it's not an issue |
| 13:27.07 | greycat | bltzfsck: are they in your root file system? |
| 13:27.12 | ateoh211 | having a strange network problem...on boot the interfaces come up, I have eth0 and eth0:0 defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:27.17 | bltzfsck | greycat, yep |
| 13:27.23 | directhex|work | bltzfsck, why have you not run apt-get clean yet? |
| 13:27.24 | SpamHog | bltzfsck: what's full? "/" or "/root"? if the former is the case, move /usr to another partition |
| 13:27.29 | greycat | bltzfsck: then yeah, I can see how that would cause a space issue. |
| 13:27.44 | greycat | SpamHog: I've never heard of someone mounting /root on a separate file system before |
| 13:27.47 | bltzfsck | directhex i think you may have it |
| 13:27.51 | bltzfsck | thx |
| 13:27.58 | bltzfsck | i'm learning as i go |
| 13:28.02 | ateoh211 | but I have to do an ifdown eth0 , ifup eth0 , ifdown eth0:0, ifup eth0:0 to get any network of the local subnet |
| 13:28.19 | directhex|work | ateoh211, fiddle with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:28.21 | SpamHog | greycat: neither did I, but Q was far from clear on that |
| 13:28.47 | ateoh211 | directhex|work: in what way? change the order of the interfaces? |
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| 13:29.03 | bltzfsck | thanks fellas |
| 13:29.06 | directhex|work | ateoh211, if need be |
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| 13:29.28 | SoloFlyer- | why did that happen |
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| 13:30.20 | takatumi | SoloFlyer: stupid advice? |
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| 13:31.06 | greycat | probably a slight overreaction. it seemed clear that bltzfsck had enough clue not to run rm -rf / |
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| 13:31.36 | caphuso | greycat: not worth taking the chance |
| 13:31.36 | streuner | greycat: any thought about this, is pretty evil here |
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| 13:32.12 | caphuso | and being stupid enough to try to evade the +q just makes the point more more clear |
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| 13:33.19 | greycat | NetBSD - because putting inverse video capital letters in place of punctuation looks *so* professional. |
| 13:33.46 | directhex|work | NetBSD - because debian only runs on i386 |
| 13:33.54 | greycat | and powerpc! |
| 13:34.16 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.16 | directhex|work | i had my sega dreamcast (hitachi superh4) running Potato |
| 13:34.29 | Guerin | potentially not too far from the truth, in future |
| 13:34.47 | greycat | Guerin: I keep hoping that was just a slap in the face to get people to wake up and work on sarge |
| 13:35.02 | Guerin | greycat: mips, arm ... maybe. sparc? WTF? |
| 13:35.03 | greycat | maybe branden can kick some asses |
| 13:35.06 | directhex|work | Guerin, i'm not sure making arches with only six users worldwide sid-only will really harm more than six people |
| 13:35.57 | caphuso | directhex|work: they won't be sid-only if they manage to get a release done |
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| 13:36.17 | takatumi | caphuso: post sarge. |
| 13:36.21 | directhex|work | caphuso, do YOu expect sarge to release in 2005? |
| 13:36.51 | greycat | ~+sarge pool |
| 13:36.52 | apt | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-04-08 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, ... |
| 13:37.10 | greycat | those were the original guesses. |
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| 13:37.20 | Guerin | i bet 05/03/13 |
| 13:37.23 | directhex|work | Justin_ wins! |
| 13:37.31 | directhex|work | !sarge pool 4 |
| 13:37.31 | dpkg | Keep 'em coming! blk=2005-01-23 <alejandro_>=2005-02-15 #perl-magic-8-ball-bot=2005-01-01 Zone=2004-11-29 karsten=2003-12-01 abrotman=2004-10-02 Guerin=2005-03-13 Kerpal=2005-01-01 FieldySnuts=2009-12-31 scarynetworkguy=2005-01-03 directhex=2004-12-25 <cantona>=2004-08-19 <cantona>=2004-8-19 andika=2005-01-31 Cit=2004-05-20 g0llum=2004-07-26 dan2=2004-06-24 bztunk=2004-09-11 obake=2004-04-31 guestish=2004-05-30 <galois>=2004-07-09 |
| 13:37.33 | Guerin | i thought that was utterly unrealistically pessimistic |
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| 13:37.42 | directhex|work | okay, i was hoping for a christmas present |
| 13:37.45 | streuner | *cough* |
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| 13:38.40 | streuner | directhex|work: no |
| 13:38.51 | streuner | directhex|work: g4lt ;-) |
| 13:40.29 | LeBear | ok.. brb.. rebooting. |
| 13:40.30 | takatumi | "sgeigerbot=1999-12-31" these pools started prior to this? |
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| 13:41.10 | Capkirk | is apache 2 the default webserver that will get install in testing of one installs a packages that needs apache? |
| 13:41.39 | directhex|work | Capkirk, for example? |
| 13:41.46 | greycat | Capkirk: no. |
| 13:42.06 | greycat | takatumi: no, he used a date in the past. |
| 13:42.15 | greycat | takatumi: the polls started in late 2002 or early 2003, I forget which |
| 13:42.18 | Capkirk | greycat: ok thanks its abit strange then i just upgrade from woody-> sarge and now i have apache2 installed |
| 13:42.25 | takatumi | greycat: ok. |
| 13:42.36 | greycat | Capkirk: did you have apache before? |
| 13:42.45 | Capkirk | greycat: yes |
| 13:43.45 | directhex|work | i would have thought things should depends on httpd |
| 13:44.08 | greycat | lots of things depend on apache |
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| 13:44.20 | greycat | a few less depend on apache2 |
| 13:44.40 | greycat | lots and lots depend on httpd |
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| 13:45.05 | directhex|work | could be worse, things could depend on wine |
| 13:45.13 | greycat | hmm.... Package: squirrelmail Depends: apache2 | httpd, ... |
| 13:45.22 | directhex|work | !info pptview |
| 13:45.25 | dpkg | pptview: (view PowerPoint slide shows), section non-free/text, is optional. Version: 8.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1748 kB, Installed size: 3636 kB |
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| 13:46.37 | mckillroy | How much bandwidth could I get if i connect 2 PIII 800's with Gigabit Lans (full duplex) for making a network raid ? The full 1 Gigabit /sec ? |
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| 13:47.17 | rijad | hey, does anyone have a cloue on how to get this to work on linux : SiS 916B Sound Chip |
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| 13:47.51 | greycat | rijad: did sarge detect it properly? |
| 13:48.11 | greycat | my first guess, if I had to guess, would be that it's probably an i810_audio clone |
| 13:48.19 | rijad | dont know... just started using linux |
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| 13:48.45 | directhex|work | rijad, which version of debian? |
| 13:48.59 | rijad | ehh let me look.. |
| 13:49.00 | Rambo3 | !dpkg ati |
| 13:49.01 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 13:49.31 | vaseem | Hi, need a help on Sarge CDs |
| 13:49.35 | Rambo3 | !dpkg atigreat non of them work |
| 13:49.57 | rijad | erh something called "Ubuntu v.4.10 |
| 13:49.58 | vaseem | which of the 14 Sarge CDs contains the kernel-source pkg, please |
| 13:50.04 | greycat | rijad: /j #ubuntu |
| 13:50.07 | directhex|work | rijad, not supported here, go to #ubuntu |
| 13:50.11 | greycat | vaseem: nobody knows or cares. |
| 13:50.15 | rijad | ok |
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| 13:50.25 | directhex|work | Rambo3, what card, what version of debian? |
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| 13:51.05 | Rambo3 | 2.4.27-2-386 ati radeon 9600 |
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| 13:51.22 | directhex|work | and you followed flavio stanchina's instructions to the letter? |
| 13:51.28 | drac | 9600 should work perfectly with fglrx. |
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| 13:52.04 | Rambo3 | yeah , i did 2 free versions |
| 13:52.04 | directhex|work | FSVO "perfectly" |
| 13:52.11 | Rambo3 | gatos and that last link |
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| 13:52.35 | Rambo3 | if it says "Mesa GLX Indirect" instead, it means that there is a problem. and i still have that and there is not explained how to fix that |
| 13:52.36 | directhex|work | Rambo3, 9600 uses the r300-series gpu. you _NEED_ fglrx to use that in 3d, which means flavio's guide |
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| 13:53.13 | directhex|work | Rambo3, if it didn't work, you screwed up, start again. i have yet to see anyone who is capable of following a clear set of instructions without creatively missing bits out, where 3d is concerned |
| 13:53.34 | Rambo3 | hehe ok |
| 13:53.56 | Rambo3 | rm -rf /usr/src/ |
| 13:54.20 | Guerin | Rambo3: last blood |
| 13:54.31 | directhex|work | Rambo3, simply put, you MUST do what flavio says. he's the best man for the job. |
| 13:54.56 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:55.04 | antony | i want to lookup users in ldap. i've set directory up, all looks ok, /etc/ldap/ldap.conf looks ok, and ldapsearch -x objectClass=* outputs all the details. however login not working. even when i ls -l a file owned by an ldap user, the numeric user id comes up, not the username. any ideas? |
| 13:55.36 | SoloFly | WHEN |
| 13:56.28 | Guerin | someone boot SoloFly again |
| 13:56.30 | Guerin | fucking idiot |
| 13:56.41 | SuperSox | Anyone know anything about GPRS pcmcia cards? I'm thinking about getting one if I can find one cheap enough, just wondering if there are any brands i should avoid in terms of linux support or lack there of :) |
| 13:57.16 | scarynetworkguy | SuperSox: What did google say? |
| 13:57.31 | SuperSox | scarynetworkguy: not a lot, still looking, just wondering if anyone had first hand experiance |
| 13:57.33 | SoloFly | Why |
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| 13:57.46 | bob2 | SoloFly: do you have anything useful to contribute? |
| 13:58.07 | Guerin | SoloFly: 1) getting +q 2) evading +q 3) evading resultant +b |
| 13:58.20 | SoloFly | i |
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| 13:58.47 | scarynetworkguy | SuperSox: Odd this is the first hit I got. http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_linux.html |
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| 13:59.21 | SuperSox | scarynetworkguy: weird, guess I was using rubbish search terms - thanks, I'll flick through it |
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| 13:59.45 | scarynetworkguy | SuperSox: Next time try actually typing stuff in. Tends to work better that way. |
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| 14:00.55 | SuperSox | scarynetworkguy: I'm insulted, and fyi, my first result came up with: http://tuxmobil.org/nokia_d211.html which only covers one brand. |
| 14:01.36 | vaseem | I need to download one of the 14 Sarge CDs which contains kernel-source pkg, can somebody help me in identifying which CD will it be??? |
| 14:01.37 | eugenesan | hi all, i have proccess stuck in pslist. How can i remove it? (killall,kill -9 doesn't work) |
| 14:01.47 | stew | vaseem: the first one |
| 14:02.03 | greycat | eugenesan: reboot |
| 14:02.08 | stew | eugenesan: kill its parent |
| 14:02.10 | vaseem | stew: nop |
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| 14:02.32 | stew | vaseem: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:02.47 | SpamHog | vaseem: why the whole CD? do you need the CD or just the package? |
| 14:02.52 | eugenesan | stew: parent is 1 :-( |
| 14:02.58 | greycat | why the FUCK would you need to download a whole ISO image to get one measly little kernel-source package? |
| 14:03.06 | greycat | eugenesan: show us what it *is* already! |
| 14:03.17 | suifur | greycat: cuz... he's fucking lazy? |
| 14:03.25 | SpamHog | vaseem: package=~~45MB, CD>500MB |
| 14:03.26 | vaseem | stew: I hv downloaded first 7 CDs and installed my system only using them..as I hv a problematic Inet connxn at home.. |
| 14:03.27 | greycat | suifur: I'm voting for "stupid" in this case |
| 14:03.35 | stew | vaseem: /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 14:03.45 | greycat | vaseem: packages.debian.org/kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 14:03.46 | suifur | greycat: oh yah, i forgot that option, "c) fucking retarded" |
| 14:03.49 | greycat | vaseem: SHEESH! |
| 14:03.52 | stew | vaseem: do you have a problematic keyboard cable? |
| 14:03.54 | directhex|work | can i reportbug kernel-source-2.6.11 for being retarded? |
| 14:04.00 | greycat | directhex|work: yes. |
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| 14:04.11 | vaseem | i was trying vmware on sarge...it looks for the kernel source...it wasn't there on any of the 7 CDs.. |
| 14:04.13 | bob2 | directhex|work: just submit a patch for it's manpage |
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| 14:04.21 | suifur | stew: I do believe he's trying to type shorthand "lk thz u c?" |
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| 14:04.23 | bob2 | vaseem: no, it doesn't want the kernel source |
| 14:04.24 | directhex|work | vaseem, sarge isn't 7 cds |
| 14:04.25 | greycat | vaseem: go away. |
| 14:04.28 | SpamHog | greycat: I understand & share your predicament & annoyedness, but be nice pleeeeeez |
| 14:04.35 | bob2 | vaseem: it wants kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:04.48 | greycat | SpamHog: if I wanted to be nice, I'd be in #debian-friendly or ##debian or whatever they call it this week |
| 14:05.00 | SpamHog | :) |
| 14:05.17 | suifur | no one in #debian-friendly but its registerd ;) |
| 14:05.41 | vaseem | bob2: yes and I hv installed the kernel-headers pkg also..but vmware looks for header files in /usr/src which is empty... |
| 14:05.54 | bob2 | so fix vmware |
| 14:06.00 | stew | !vmware support |
| 14:06.00 | dpkg | from memory, vmware support is not offered here; go to <http://vmware.com/support> instead. |
| 14:06.03 | bob2 | broken proprietar software is Not Our Problem |
| 14:06.09 | directhex|work | vaseem, the vmware istall script actually asks you where to search. |
| 14:06.53 | vaseem | yes...and I hv pointed to the dir where all the .h files are located but it says u need to hv the kernel sources installed |
| 14:07.40 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 14:07.47 | vaseem | the aptitude also does not list kernel-sources..under the uninstalled pkges... |
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| 14:08.06 | Zaoo | from memory, I think that the vmware script gets happier if you symlink kernel-source-blah to /usr/src/linux |
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| 14:08.41 | SpamHog | vaseem: did you just try to install the source via apt-get? you must have set CD as source anyway during install |
| 14:08.59 | stew | Zaoo: if thats the case you should tell vmware to fix their software, making that symlink is expressly recommended against by Linus in the kerenel README |
| 14:09.06 | vaseem | Zaoo: there is nothing over there since the kernel-sources is not installed, nor to be seen in aptitude :( |
| 14:09.20 | bob2 | installing the source won't help |
| 14:09.25 | stew | vaseem: you don't want kernel-source you want kernel-headers |
| 14:09.26 | bob2 | unless vmware is horribly horribly broken |
| 14:09.30 | Zaoo | Oh really? Then maybe I should stop making that symlink :) |
| 14:09.39 | JoshH | vaseem: you must have done something wrong, i see the kernel source and headers in apt. |
| 14:09.43 | Zaoo | I've been making it out of habit since I started with Slackware 3.6 |
| 14:10.04 | vaseem | yes i hv set only the CDs as the sources as I hv bad Inet connxn at home... |
| 14:10.07 | stew | Zaoo: you should have a habit of reading README :) |
| 14:10.16 | stew | vaseem: "have" |
| 14:10.16 | Zaoo | I usually do. |
| 14:10.30 | JoshH | vaseem: and "connection" |
| 14:10.32 | stew | vaseem: "internet" "connection" can you |
| 14:10.58 | Zaoo | Be nice to the enviroment, don't push more bytes than neccessary onto the internet. |
| 14:11.03 | vaseem | OK..OK...I shall take care... |
| 14:11.12 | stew | dunno why i "hvn't" just plonked him... |
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| 14:12.02 | directhex|work | stew, that's not the case on vmware 5, which actually seems to autodetect the correct folder whatever you've called it |
| 14:12.18 | Rambo3 | 2.1.1 Recommended kernel options >> those option should be set int config file or Makefile? |
| 14:12.42 | directhex|work | bob2, vmware 5, the only one i've tried extensively, is fairly intelligent during install, and selects kernel-headers-$(uname -r) automatically as the place to use for compiling its kernel modules |
| 14:12.54 | streuner | Rambo3: give us more details |
| 14:13.11 | Rambo3 | from manual >> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 14:13.12 | caphuso | directhex|work: that just means it does it like anything else... |
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| 14:13.24 | bob2 | directhex|work: ah, cool |
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| 14:13.45 | bob2 | directhex|work: on 2.6 it might just be looking up /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 14:13.49 | directhex|work | caphuso, but seemingly not with whatever version vaseem is using. i sunno, i've just been playing with vmware 5 betas for a few months |
| 14:14.05 | directhex|work | bob2, maybe, it's a while since i ran vmware-install.pl |
| 14:14.08 | caphuso | bob2: works on 2.4 too |
| 14:14.19 | streuner | Rambo3: that's when you compiling a new kernel |
| 14:14.20 | bob2 | ah |
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| 14:14.43 | vaseem | i am using vmware 4.5.2 build 8848 |
| 14:14.55 | streuner | Rambo3: just use an official kernel-image |
| 14:15.08 | mattm | anyone have a suggestion on which kernel to use for "stable" LAMP hosting? 2.4.x-smp or 2.6.x-smp? |
| 14:15.42 | streuner | mattm: What does LAMP to do with SMP? |
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| 14:16.06 | streuner | mattm: just use an 2.2.x kernel |
| 14:16.08 | mattm | well smp for multi processors |
| 14:16.25 | streuner | mattm: unless you need it for your hardware to use 2.4.x or 2.6.x |
| 14:16.33 | caphuso | streuner: SMP |
| 14:16.45 | caphuso | which isn't something 2.2 is really good at |
| 14:16.45 | mattm | streuner, yes sorry should have mentioned its a dual proc. server |
| 14:16.55 | streuner | caphuso: oh |
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| 14:17.15 | directhex|work | to be fair, 2.4 would be faster than 2.2, and 2.6 even faster. as for stability, why are you serving things with sarge? |
| 14:17.24 | bob2 | streuner: what is your 2.2-wagon? |
| 14:17.36 | streuner | bob2: wagon? |
| 14:17.44 | mattm | directhex|work, i'm not with sarge, i'm just posing the question |
| 14:17.51 | bob2 | streuner: you keep recommending 2.2 to people |
| 14:17.59 | JohnnyST | Hi any suggestions on what IO Scheduler (AS, DEADLINE, or CFQ) would be best for use on a server with an 3ware "3W_9XXX" raid controller? I am using kernel 2.6.11.7 now. |
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| 14:18.15 | LoRez | JohnnyST: benchmark them |
| 14:18.20 | streuner | bob2: yes for servers |
| 14:18.21 | caphuso | JohnnyST: which scheduler to use doesn't depend on the hardware you run it on |
| 14:18.46 | joeytwiddle | streuner, yeah tail -f is definitely not reattaching when the logfile rotates. do you know why it changed? is it desirable? alias tail='tail --retry'? |
| 14:18.52 | directhex|work | i see no use for 2.2 in any capacity in this day & age |
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| 14:18.58 | directhex|work | or even going back 3 years |
| 14:18.58 | greycat | joeytwiddle: tail --follow=name in GNU/Linux. |
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| 14:19.05 | greycat | joeytwiddle: or tail -f in OpenBSD. |
| 14:19.20 | kf4ebp | my freesco machine has a 2.0 kernel. Works great |
| 14:19.33 | JohnnyST | caphuso, but I just saw this in the mm update: The anticipatory I/O scheduler has always been fairly useless with SCSI |
| 14:19.33 | JohnnyST | disks which perform tagged command queueing. There's a patch here from Jens |
| 14:19.33 | JohnnyST | which is designed to fix that up by constraining the number of requests |
| 14:19.33 | JohnnyST | which we'll leave pending in the device. |
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| 14:19.45 | joeytwiddle | greycat, these used to keep following even when the file rotates, but now they don't |
| 14:19.54 | bob2 | streuner: its missing things like iptables, useful SMP support, support for large numbers of processes and users, support for modern hardware ... |
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| 14:20.10 | greycat | joeytwiddle: when? which version of tail? |
| 14:20.21 | caphuso | JohnnyST: you still might get better performance out of AS even with that, if you have a weird workload |
| 14:20.37 | joeytwiddle | hmm i don't know if it's tail or libc6 or what? but it's since i dist-upgraded in the last month i guess |
| 14:20.39 | streuner | bob2: well, that's true, but many admins prefer it, because its stable and well tested |
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| 14:20.56 | joeytwiddle | i could go and test to find out... |
| 14:20.57 | bob2 | *shrug* |
| 14:20.59 | greycat | joeytwiddle: no way. even woody's "man tail" note that -f and --follow=descriptor are equivalent. |
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| 14:21.07 | peetah | where can i find the source for a installed .deb package? e.g apt-get install memcached how can i find the source for that package? |
| 14:21.08 | bob2 | the only person I know running 2.2 these days is greycat |
| 14:21.13 | caphuso | JohnnyST: there's a bit of documentation in kernelsource/Documentation/block/*, start with reading that and then do some benchmarking for all of them |
| 14:21.14 | greycat | peetah: /msg dpkg source |
| 14:21.17 | streuner | bob2: no |
| 14:21.17 | JohnnyST | caphuso, my system is a web/email server, I am using the AS right now perhaps I stay with that one then. |
| 14:21.19 | bob2 | peetah: apt-get source memcached |
| 14:21.24 | streuner | bob2: me too |
| 14:21.25 | greycat | bob2: only on woody servers |
| 14:21.32 | joeytwiddle | greycat, maybe it's the way logrotate works. if it moves the file rather than copying and emptying it, maybe that affects tail |
| 14:21.33 | JohnnyST | caphuso, ok.. |
| 14:21.34 | streuner | bob2: so here |
| 14:21.35 | Scrape | Could someone point me in the right direction for the following task: I want to setup my laptop such that it can transparently access, on the same "apparent" network, the computers on my home network whether I'm home or away. |
| 14:21.41 | greycat | joeytwiddle: possible |
| 14:21.48 | bob2 | streuner: ok, so you and greycat on some machines |
| 14:21.55 | joeytwiddle | greycat, ok i will isolate then come back here ;) |
| 14:22.08 | bob2 | Scrape: you want a vpn, or a whole lot of real ip addresses |
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| 14:22.23 | bob2 | Scrape: tinc is pretty nifty, but ipsec is better if you have to deal with Other OSs |
| 14:22.55 | tarzeau | has anyone moved from his configuration of fvwm2 on woody onto sarge? |
| 14:23.14 | tarzeau | my menu and "wharf" is completely messed up |
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| 14:23.17 | Ninjai | hello... |
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| 14:23.20 | caphuso | hm, i think i still have a working 2.2 system on that old hard disk in my computer parts graveyard |
| 14:23.24 | Ninjai | i have 2 localserver and 1 public ip...and 2 domain names, and i have firewall box with ipcop and running squid, so i need when someone form the net want to access domain1.com he will go to my first server and like that, who know about this ?? |
| 14:23.38 | directhex|work | i made 2.6.11 behave, only took an entire evening |
| 14:23.50 | CyzarX | since debian supported strongARM architecture, does it run on pda with strongARM architecture? |
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| 14:24.03 | humbolt | there should be a file /etc/default/useradd in which I can set all kind of defaults for useradd, but there is none and I can't find any manpage in the system and on the internet. What might the setting look like that enables to put the setgid bit on the home dirs?? |
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| 14:24.12 | tarzeau | CyzarX: check http://www.nl.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
| 14:24.18 | greycat | tarzeau: might be best to start from scratch on your fvwm configs |
| 14:24.26 | CyzarX | ty tarzeau |
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| 14:24.41 | Scrape | Could someone point me in the right direction for the following task: I want to setup my laptop such that it can transparently access, on the same "apparent" network, the computers on my home network whether I'm home or away. Is this the same as VPN? (Basically, when I go elsewhere w/ my laptop, I don't want to have to change it's configuration when I access stuff "at home", I just want it to "work" via a tunnel of some sort) |
| 14:24.44 | joeytwiddle | compatibility of config files is often a fear when upgrading! |
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| 14:24.54 | bob2 | Scrape: er, dude, I told you how |
| 14:25.01 | tarzeau | humbolt: what about /etc/adduser.conf ? |
| 14:25.09 | tarzeau | greycat: poor me |
| 14:25.13 | bob2 | Scrape: if you didn't understand my answer, say so, instead of asking the same massive question again |
| 14:25.16 | directhex|work | Scrape, that sounds like a VPN to me |
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| 14:25.49 | humbolt | that is for adduser, and the setting is there but it does not affect useradd which is used by webmin and any other software that uses system functions to create users! |
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| 14:26.02 | tarzeau | humbolt: i know. |
| 14:26.10 | bob2 | why don't you just fix those broken web frontends? |
| 14:26.16 | bob2 | useradd isn't a "system function" |
| 14:26.17 | tarzeau | humbolt: who uses webmin?? |
| 14:26.18 | Guerin | webmin bad |
| 14:26.19 | Scrape | bob, sorry, may have missed it... lemme go back through there |
| 14:26.21 | Guerin | BAD |
| 14:26.29 | Alver | Hello. I have serious issues with dri on an ati rage 128 agp card (iMac, ppc); the system locks up when trying to use dri. |
| 14:26.32 | Alver | I've tracked down some forums that mention the custom packages made by 'daenzer' (http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/) that are said to fix this. Has anyone heard of these packages, and whether or not they are reliable? |
| 14:26.35 | sml | greycat: well i've finally got my cd! in fact i bought ten hows that! what's the difference in all the iso's that you can d/l. sarge-i386-XX.iso where XX = 1 to 14. |
| 14:26.41 | tarzeau | Alver: #debianppc ? |
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| 14:26.52 | greycat | sml: you don't want those. |
| 14:26.55 | directhex|work | sml, packages. |
| 14:27.00 | Guerin | !b-e sml |
| 14:27.02 | dpkg | sml: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 14:27.04 | Guerin | eh |
| 14:27.04 | Alver | tarzeau: asked there - lots of quiet people :) and it seems that this daenzer builds for x86 too, so I thought I'd ask here |
| 14:27.10 | Guerin | !d-i sml |
| 14:27.11 | dpkg | sml, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:27.15 | Guerin | stupid me |
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| 14:27.20 | sml | thanks greycat |
| 14:27.20 | tarzeau | Alver: patience! |
| 14:27.20 | bob2 | Alver: I thought they were outdated, but perhaps some hardware needs them. michael would certainly make reliable packages |
| 14:27.28 | Paganist | Hi everyone... How can i get my current term ? |
| 14:27.31 | simonrvn | Alver: i've used them, they're ok, albeit old |
| 14:27.32 | eugenesan | i need to force my NIC to be FullDuplex on boot, where do i specify that? |
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| 14:27.49 | Scrape | bob2: ok, thanks... I don't have to deal w/ other systems, I'll look at tinc (though, I did once in the past setup IPsec, so I should be able to manage the configuration) |
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| 14:27.49 | tarzeau | Paganist: get what? |
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| 14:28.02 | bob2 | Scrape: ah, ok |
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| 14:28.04 | greycat | eugenesan: "up mii-tool -F ...." in network/interfaces |
| 14:28.10 | Paganist | my cuttrent terminal like tty0 for example |
| 14:28.12 | tarzeau | eugenesan: mii-diag - A little tool to manipulate network cards |
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| 14:28.16 | greycat | eugenesan: or possibly other ways, depending on the NIC |
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| 14:28.25 | J_P | hi all |
| 14:28.26 | sml | greycat: erm.. that link takes me to the same page with all the XX.iso's |
| 14:28.27 | kunal | Hello folks |
| 14:28.31 | Alver | simonrvn, bob2: any idea if his changes would be committed to the official builds? If not, I guess I'll have a go at them. |
| 14:28.35 | humbolt | tarzeau, bob: Isn't useradd the default "application" to add user accounts? and adduser is the debian way? |
| 14:28.39 | eugenesan | greycat: nothing more "elegant"? |
| 14:28.43 | bob2 | Alver: they do tend to go in eventualyy |
| 14:28.44 | sml | greycat: mind you that is in the "full cd set" part. |
| 14:28.50 | greycat | eugenesan: that's awfully elegant already. |
| 14:28.56 | tarzeau | humbolt: not really |
| 14:29.02 | Paganist | tarzeau: my cuttrent terminal like tty0 for example |
| 14:29.05 | greycat | sml: so don't go to that part. |
| 14:29.05 | kf4ebp | Paganist: type "who" at the command line |
| 14:29.13 | tarzeau | humbolt: useradd has not the same parameters on all systems (just a guess) |
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| 14:29.25 | Paganist | kf4ebp: ok, thanks |
| 14:29.30 | eugenesan | greycat; well maybe you right. |
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| 14:29.36 | sml | greycat: well the only other options is "netinst CD image, with Debian base" |
| 14:29.47 | simonrvn | Alver: he's a code contributor. i would think so. he's also on debian x-force (or was last time i checked) |
| 14:29.54 | greycat | sml: are you *sure* you're ready for this? |
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| 14:30.08 | humbolt | tarzeau: and what about adduser? does it even exist on other systems? |
| 14:30.11 | sml | greycat: *lol*. the problem is I cant do a net-install I need a cd based install. |
| 14:30.16 | greycat | sml: why? |
| 14:30.36 | sml | greycat: no network connectivity |
| 14:30.46 | Alver | simonrvn: thanks, I'll try upgrading to sid tonight then. With a bit of luck the fix is there. |
| 14:30.54 | sml | hence, me looking at the cd-sets option and being daunted by the number of iso's |
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| 14:31.07 | greycat | what the hell good is a unix box with no network? |
| 14:31.10 | eugenesan | greycat: what parameters scripts in if-up gets? |
| 14:31.11 | greycat | why would you *want* one? |
| 14:31.22 | greycat | eugenesan: read the comments in one of them |
| 14:31.30 | kunal | hey guys i have download "sarge-i386-8.iso" from debian reposistory... and burnt it but it is not booting and reasons. |
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| 14:31.46 | tarzeau | humbolt: haven't seen it on anything else but debian |
| 14:31.51 | humbolt | How can I get useradd to set the setgid bit on the home dir? |
| 14:31.53 | sml | greycat: i told you, to *watch* dvds! |
| 14:31.53 | greycat | kunal: why the fuck would you expect the 8th CD in the set to be bootable? |
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| 14:32.05 | eugenesan | greycat: it's empty here :-) |
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| 14:32.12 | sml | greycat: i've gone for http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso, i'll borrow a network card from my mate's laptop (oh its a laptop by the way) |
| 14:32.18 | humbolt | tarzeau: so, isn't it the logical way to use that app in your frontend? |
| 14:32.19 | directhex|work | kunal, why would the 8th of 14 cds be the bootable one? |
| 14:32.31 | greycat | sml: so connect it to the network, install the base system, add the marillat sources, apt-get install ogle libdvdcss2 or whatever, and then disconnect it. |
| 14:32.39 | greycat | oh, and you'll want X too. |
| 14:32.47 | sml | greycat: that's what i will do. |
| 14:32.59 | humbolt | tarzeau: even if the args differ in dists and unices? |
| 14:33.03 | tarzeau | humbolt: no matter what argument. webmin is wrong |
| 14:33.04 | greycat | why the fuck would you buy a laptop with no network card? |
| 14:33.07 | kunal | Ohh ya thanks.... guys |
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| 14:33.22 | Alver | simonrvn: is there any chance of contacting the man by mail? |
| 14:33.28 | sml | greycat: I didn't buy it I was given it because it's shit. |
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| 14:33.55 | humbolt | tarzeau: it serves a purpose. I can enable dummies to setup new user accounts via web interface. Can you offer something comparable? |
| 14:34.00 | DiegoElias | sml: netinst, install the basic using the net? |
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| 14:34.03 | greycat | a laptop with a DVD-ROM but no NIC? that seems really really odd to me. |
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| 14:34.32 | greycat | humbolt: why do you want dummies creating user accounts? |
| 14:34.38 | kunal | greycat seems to be overloaded today !! |
| 14:34.38 | sml | greycat: "dont look a gift horse in the mouth". ;) |
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| 14:35.04 | maxxle | I've created a ramdisk on /dev/ram0. Now I want to create a second ramdisk. How can I do this? |
| 14:35.07 | sml | greycat: it *has* one but the pcmcia card / controller is buggered. |
| 14:35.21 | sml | greycat: plus I dont have net access at home anyway so I'm not too fussed. |
| 14:35.26 | sml | greycat: just want to watch dvd's in bed ;) |
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| 14:36.02 | aya | Hi, can every one help me with an ldap authentication pb |
| 14:36.13 | jethro | !tell aya -about ask |
| 14:36.18 | aya | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:36.28 | jethro | yure: /j #ubuntu |
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| 14:36.38 | abel | hi all , i have a curious problem, my /var/lib/dpkg/status file get corrupted very often and nearly every time i must run an apt-get command i need to do a : mv /var/lib/dpkg/status-old /var/lib/dpkg/status any clue on that ? |
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| 14:36.58 | aya | jethro: allready sent |
| 14:36.59 | humbolt | greycat: cause I do not want to be bothered every time a new user is created, what a stupid question. It is just not effective if you have several systems and every little change needs to be done by the almighty linux admin? I know you probably like to be the debian superhero and want to see your staff not being able to do anything on YOUR machines, but I do not! |
| 14:37.13 | jethro | aya: don't bother #debian people with your ubuntu problems |
| 14:37.19 | aya | okay |
| 14:37.22 | jethro | thanks |
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| 14:38.19 | humbolt | greycat: and your boss might think of replacing the linux server with something more comfortable, something even he can understand and manage, something as "good" as windows! |
| 14:38.23 | jethro | aya: /j #ubuntu is a better place for ubuntu support |
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| 14:38.40 | jethro | heh |
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| 14:38.43 | aya | I tried, but I had no response |
| 14:38.53 | jethro | aya: then wait, or install debian, and come back here |
| 14:38.54 | joeytwiddle | humbolt, take a look at webmin. you might be able to expose just certain bits of admin to certain users |
| 14:38.57 | jethro | !d-i aya |
| 14:38.58 | dpkg | aya, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 14:39.12 | Guerin | webmin is shite |
| 14:39.15 | greycat | of all the things that should *not* be delegated, the adminsitration of security in the form of user accounts is #2 on my list. (#1 being firewall configuration.) |
| 14:39.15 | Guerin | don't use it |
| 14:39.16 | Guerin | ever |
| 14:39.19 | aya | I'm a debian user, so , but install some ubuntus for my new stagiaires |
| 14:39.40 | aya | stagiaires is french sorry, |
| 14:39.45 | joeytwiddle | there is also something called xconfig which looks similar, but haven't used it much |
| 14:39.54 | abel | so nobody have any idea what i can do to avoid my status file to get corrupted ? |
| 14:39.57 | jethro | greycat: how would you manage thousands of hosts accessed by a few people? replicate all accounts? |
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| 14:40.04 | Guerin | ldap |
| 14:40.21 | yure | aya, jethro nobody want's to say we hate ubuntu, but #ubuntu channel is intended for ubuntu support, #debian id for debian, that's just the way things are :) |
| 14:40.22 | jethro | my bad, I read centralized, where it's written delegate |
| 14:40.30 | humbolt | joeytwiddle: that's what I am talking about, webmin serves this purpose but mister graycat thinks it is an unnecessary piece of shi+ and everybody using it is stupid in the first place. |
| 14:40.38 | greycat | jethro: I *surely* wouldn't hire secretaries to create accounts on the thousands of machines using a web interface. |
| 14:40.43 | jethro | hah |
| 14:40.46 | jethro | neither would I :) |
| 14:40.50 | Guerin | humbolt: this is demonstrably true |
| 14:40.54 | aya | yure: I understand, but doesn't seem thix pb is ubuntu specific |
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| 14:41.15 | jethro | aya: try it with a debian system, if you still have the same problem, come back |
| 14:41.23 | streuner | aya: we support debian not ubuntu |
| 14:41.25 | humbolt | Guerin: what are you refering to? |
| 14:41.26 | aya | :) |
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| 14:41.33 | directhex|work | aya, you're sure of that? how exactly? i've heard that from people before when i've wasted time helping them with their nondeb distros |
| 14:41.34 | jethro | aya: asking for support here will give you debian answers, which might not work at all on ubuntu |
| 14:41.51 | Framus | Does anyone know how to stop arts from loading during startup ? |
| 14:42.05 | Enolayale | I recently compiled a kernel, but I can't seem to get my computer to connect via dhcp, am I forgetting something? |
| 14:42.07 | streuner | Framus: disable in kcontrol? |
| 14:42.09 | Guerin | Framus: kcontrol |
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| 14:42.13 | aya | directhex|work: I'm not sure |
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| 14:42.22 | jethro | !kernel image |
| 14:42.22 | dpkg | [kernel-image] what you get when you use make-kpkg (from package "kernel-package"), or ask me about "kp" for details Or 'apt-cache search kernel-image' |
| 14:42.30 | greycat | Enolayale: /msg dpkg kernel options for dhcp |
| 14:42.31 | Framus | but if i disable the sound server with kcontrol then won't alsa not work ? |
| 14:42.34 | jethro | damn what was the 99% factoid again? |
| 14:42.42 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 14:42.42 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 14:42.43 | greycat | !debian kernel image |
| 14:42.47 | jethro | thanks :) |
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| 14:43.28 | directhex|work | Framus, kcontrol enables/disables aRts |
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| 14:43.43 | Framus | ok then. thanks. |
| 14:45.24 | Enolayale | greycat: I can't seem to find those options |
| 14:45.34 | greycat | Enolayale: then use a debian kernel. |
| 14:45.43 | Enolayale | this IS a debian kernel |
| 14:45.53 | greycat | what the fuck are you talking about? |
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| 14:46.02 | greycat | 10:42 Enolayale> I recently compiled a kernel, but I can't seem to get my |
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| 14:46.08 | joeytwiddle | hey wouldn't it be cool if you could change a system script, and when you upgrade the package, dpkg notices your change and patches it onto the new version?! |
| 14:46.10 | greycat | IT IS NOT A DEBIAN KERNEL. YOU COMPILED IT. |
| 14:46.14 | Enolayale | oh |
| 14:46.15 | Enolayale | ... |
| 14:46.31 | Enolayale | well it's a debian source, I thoughts thats what you meant |
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| 14:47.50 | eugenesan | can i log all start-up output to a file? |
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| 14:48.29 | LordFrith | eugenesan: Not easily. If you have a second computer at your disposal, then possibly. |
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| 14:48.48 | greycat | eugenesan: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 14:49.06 | humbolt | again, how can I make useradd create the homedirs with setgid bit set? |
| 14:49.22 | greycat | humbolt: um... you mean adduser? |
| 14:49.32 | greycat | if so, *maybe* you can set DIR_MODE=2755 in adduser.conf. |
| 14:49.39 | humbolt | no |
| 14:49.40 | greycat | try and see... |
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| 14:49.45 | humbolt | I do not mean adduser |
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| 14:49.52 | humbolt | I know it works in adduser |
| 14:49.55 | greycat | then you're using the wrong tool |
| 14:50.02 | humbolt | but I want it to work with useradd |
| 14:50.06 | greycat | !UTSL |
| 14:50.06 | dpkg | somebody said utsl was Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 14:50.36 | humbolt | not I am using the wrong tool, everybody is using the wrong tool. |
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| 14:50.50 | deadsmith | humbolt, man useradd |
| 14:50.52 | humbolt | Any frontend will use useradd not adduser! |
| 14:50.56 | deadsmith | humbolt, I think it's -d |
| 14:51.20 | deadsmith | and something to -g |
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| 14:52.36 | humbolt | deadsmith: no, neither of those and there is not hint in man except for /etc/defaults/useradd being mentioned but there is no man whatsoever for that, not in the system and not on the internet! |
| 14:52.36 | jarjar26 | I need to make presentation on computer to all of my students, i use rfb, but it does'nt draw always good fresh image ... does exist software better than rfb ? |
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| 14:52.55 | abel | so any idea on a reason why my /var/lib/dpkg/status file get corrupted every time i make an apt-get ? |
| 14:53.14 | jethro | jarjar26: mgp |
| 14:53.22 | deadsmith | humbolt, hrmmmm... my apologies..... have you asked in the other distro channels? |
| 14:53.52 | jarjar26 | jeff, mgp, what is it ? |
| 14:53.54 | deadsmith | All I can think is to browse the source code or use a wrapper script to set gid in them. |
| 14:53.55 | paster | "pzn" at 201.1.132.197 pasted "help on opening a PDF with Arial font" (22 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/18 |
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| 14:55.00 | jarjar26 | jeff, mgp does'nt show realtime linux desktop :( |
| 14:55.06 | directhex|work | apt-get install msttcorefonts? |
| 14:55.29 | pzn | directhex|work, already did it... check paste for details... |
| 14:55.31 | jethro | jarjar26: what kind of presentation is that? |
| 14:55.35 | greycat | deadsmith: I think he wants perms, not GID... |
| 14:55.45 | greycat | deadsmith: but isn't it sad that the man pages suck so horribly? |
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| 14:56.11 | jethro | jarjar26: nm I got your point |
| 14:56.14 | drac | pzn: Just an suggestion, Adobe Acrobat Reader 7.0 from marillats repository? /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:56.18 | Rambo3 | ati works now ! pnly that it looks more like java.repaint slow |
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| 14:56.31 | jarjar26 | jethro, I make live presentation off linx desktop , like how to copy between document... |
| 14:56.36 | directhex|work | Rambo3, sounds about right for fglrx |
| 14:56.41 | directhex|work | !tell greycat about linux man pages |
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| 14:56.59 | Rambo3 | ussless 3ddesk workks too |
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| 14:57.29 | pacmac | hello |
| 14:57.45 | Iconsumed | can someone tell me what permission I have to change, when only root can play video (or at least in totem and mplayer) |
| 14:57.46 | deadsmith | greycat, he said he wanted to setgid from useradd... but yes, man pages were a much better resource 5 years ago than today. They have atrophied and become antiquated in almost every case (at least with common system tools). |
| 14:58.03 | jethro | Iconsumed: add yoru user to the video gruop |
| 14:58.08 | jethro | damnit |
| 14:58.11 | pzn | drac, also tried acroread 7.0. it says "cannot find or create font Arial. some characters may not be displayed". |
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| 14:58.29 | Iconsumed | jethro, It always worked until yesterday |
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| 14:58.43 | Iconsumed | jethro, so I guess I am |
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| 14:58.51 | jethro | Iconsumed: id would tell you |
| 14:58.55 | greycat | what did you change yesterday? |
| 14:59.00 | jethro | Iconsumed: so you don't have to guess that |
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| 14:59.30 | Iconsumed | I dunno, I played lot's of streaming .ram files |
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| 14:59.58 | Iconsumed | and then suddenly, it did't work no more |
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| 15:00.10 | Iconsumed | however I ran out of diskspace |
| 15:00.27 | Iconsumed | but I'm no longer low on diskspace |
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| 15:00.33 | greycat | Oh god. It's "Cleveland Indians Opening Day" day at the cafeteria. |
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| 15:01.21 | Iconsumed | I am a member of the video group yes (checked) |
| 15:01.22 | keedeep | holy moly look at all the people |
| 15:01.34 | greycat | keedeep: where? in between the bots? |
| 15:01.42 | joeytwiddle | Iconsumed, maybe add your user to the video group, and make sure the /dev/video devices are writeable by video group |
| 15:01.42 | joeytwiddle | Iconsumed, if you run mplayer from the command line, it should tell you what went wrong |
| 15:01.44 | keedeep | just in here |
| 15:01.48 | keedeep | user list |
| 15:01.53 | ApEtc | greycat: And perpetual idlers |
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| 15:02.30 | directhex|work | i'm a bot. |
| 15:02.33 | directhex|work | blip blip, yo' |
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| 15:02.36 | Gorku | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.39 | keedeep | lol |
| 15:02.41 | Gorku | ups |
| 15:02.47 | jethro | I m a sausage |
| 15:02.52 | pzn | how can I convert ttf to pfa/pfb font? |
| 15:03.06 | greycat | jethro: eventually, perhaps. |
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| 15:03.56 | Iconsumed | joeytwiddle, true, I'll look it up |
| 15:04.11 | Iconsumed | it says Failed to open /dev/rtc: tkomst nekas (it should be readable by the user. I'll go fix it |
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| 15:05.23 | pacmac | someone who have ossim? |
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| 15:05.47 | joeytwiddle | if i wasn't in #debian, i would only be out on the street causing trouble |
| 15:05.59 | greycat | but instead, he's in here causing trouble |
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| 15:06.05 | keedeep | rof |
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| 15:07.07 | FlopsyPete | I'm really confused, linux-wlan-ng drivers seem to be supposed to be in testing and yet they're not |
| 15:07.41 | Iconsumed | damn, still doesn't work |
| 15:07.50 | Iconsumed | no video in mplayer |
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| 15:09.06 | FlopsyPete | nowhere on the web is there discussion or mention of when they might have gotten in or are supposed to get into Debian |
| 15:09.07 | FlopsyPete | does anyone here use them? |
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| 15:09.45 | shurik | which package do I need to install to be able to run make menuconfig? |
| 15:09.59 | greycat | !FAQ shurik |
| 15:10.00 | dpkg | shurik: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:10.01 | streuner | !b-e shurik |
| 15:10.01 | shurik | ncurses are installed but it still asks for another package |
| 15:10.02 | dpkg | shurik: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 15:11.21 | shurik | what's build-essential? |
| 15:11.23 | streuner | shurik: for what package? |
| 15:11.28 | shurik | that's for building deb s |
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| 15:11.31 | greycat | apt-cache show build-essential |
| 15:11.36 | shurik | for kernel |
| 15:11.36 | streuner | meta-package which installs what you need |
| 15:11.42 | shurik | I I ran that |
| 15:11.50 | greycat | shurik: read the FAQ |
| 15:11.52 | greycat | it's on the front page. |
| 15:12.04 | shurik | and I've got ncurses installe too |
| 15:12.13 | shurik | okay |
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| 15:12.33 | aliasd | heyas |
| 15:12.45 | shurik | well, that sucks |
| 15:13.03 | shurik | that it wants to install 2.4.27 kernel along with libncurses-dev |
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| 15:13.24 | aliasd | how do i go through the apt sources.list builder that i got during setup again? |
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| 15:13.33 | streuner | shurik: why don't you just use an official kernel-image? |
| 15:13.34 | jethro | aliasd: apt-setup |
| 15:13.36 | greycat | aliasd: apt-setup |
| 15:13.42 | aliasd | cheers |
| 15:13.49 | abel | i try to download some debian package via apt-get . man apt-get gimi the -d option but what action should i ask for the apt-get command to download the file ? |
| 15:14.04 | shurik | why are you answering question with another question? |
| 15:14.07 | jethro | abel: man apt-get will tell you if you read better |
| 15:14.08 | greycat | aliasd: install |
| 15:14.12 | greycat | oops. |
| 15:14.14 | greycat | abel: install |
| 15:14.23 | streuner | shurik: in order to give you a better answer? |
| 15:14.27 | aya | jethro, yure: you were right, it works perfectly under debian, I'm sorry |
| 15:14.39 | jethro | aya: now go blame these ubuntu guys! |
| 15:14.42 | jethro | heh |
| 15:14.43 | aya | :) |
| 15:14.46 | shurik | I need to insstall iptables extension which only available through kernel module as iptables later versions do not provide this extension anymore |
| 15:14.51 | shurik | so kernel needs to be patched |
| 15:14.51 | witless | dvdbackup references "dvdrecord" for writing dvd's, but it's not in the repository. should it be? |
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| 15:15.12 | streuner | shurik: ok, read what greycat told you and /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:15.14 | shurik | duh duh |
| 15:15.16 | greycat | witless: no. use dvd+rw-tools or use cdrecord-ProDVD. |
| 15:15.20 | abel | greycat nah when i do apt-get -d install toto he say : |
| 15:15.30 | greycat | dvdrecord is an ugly unsupported hack of cdrecord which only works with like one drive. |
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| 15:15.44 | abel | toto is already the newest version. |
| 15:15.48 | witless | greycat: thanks. i have several already ripped with dvd::rip - can i write the resulting vob files to dvd? |
| 15:15.50 | greycat | abel: apt-get --reinstall -d install toto |
| 15:15.51 | abel | and he download nothing |
| 15:16.01 | abel | greycat thnaks |
| 15:16.09 | shurik | oh man, this is funny |
| 15:16.13 | greycat | witless: I've never written video DVD... can't help with those. |
| 15:16.19 | witless | ok, thx |
| 15:16.25 | shurik | you need kernel -image to get libncurses |
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| 15:16.39 | shurik | just to get ncurse menu to configure the kernel, lmao |
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| 15:17.10 | greycat | shurik: uh, no, if you got a kernel-image package, it's because you left apt in an unstable state and it was trying to clean up. |
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| 15:17.39 | usn | hi all |
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| 15:17.59 | mozrat | Hello - trying to install sarge with netinst and linux26 image onto a box running a SIIG RAID controller... partitioner reports 2 separate drives... why? :) |
| 15:18.00 | shurik | whatever it means |
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| 15:18.09 | shurik | I am running sarge |
| 15:18.15 | shurik | it's testing |
| 15:18.24 | jethro | damnit, does getent exist only on linux system? |
| 15:18.25 | greycat | !depends libncurses5-dev |
| 15:18.26 | xam | !tell shurik about enter |
| 15:18.29 | dpkg | libncurses5-dev: depends on libncurses5 (= 5.4-4), libc-dev |
| 15:18.34 | greycat | jethro: it's rather newish... |
| 15:18.36 | directhex|work | mozrat, because it's software raid |
| 15:18.41 | bob2 | jethro: it's not a general unix thing, no |
| 15:18.42 | shurik | now, I want to get menuconifg going and it asks for libncurses-dev |
| 15:18.49 | usn | mozrat, it seems that your system has no driver for your raid ctl |
| 15:18.52 | shurik | which depends on kernel image 2.4.27 |
| 15:18.54 | greycat | shurik: so you typed "apt-get install libncurses5-dev", right? |
| 15:18.54 | directhex|work | !fakeraid |
| 15:18.58 | shurik | that's funny |
| 15:18.59 | directhex|work | bah |
| 15:19.01 | mozrat | directhex|work: what the SIIG card is only software RAID?? |
| 15:19.02 | jethro | greycat: you know of an equivalent on older unix systems? |
| 15:19.04 | shurik | yeah |
| 15:19.07 | jethro | sorry for being ot |
| 15:19.15 | shurik | I typed that:) |
| 15:19.16 | directhex|work | mozrat, you don't have a raid controller, you have a sata controller which needs a windows driver in order to pretend it's raid |
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| 15:19.20 | greycat | shurik: *which* package depended on kernel-image-2.4.27-*? |
| 15:19.30 | greycat | !provides libc6-dev sarge |
| 15:19.31 | mozrat | directhex|work: gotcha - thanks |
| 15:19.32 | jethro | I need to query the nss and not just read a file, since I have the nss query an ldap |
| 15:19.38 | jethro | nm I ll just rtfm |
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| 15:20.04 | directhex|work | mozrat, i hear on the rumouor mill that you can use fakeraid on some sata controllers using experimental code from redhat |
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| 15:20.35 | greycat | dpkg: you suck. |
| 15:20.36 | dpkg | Dream on, greycat. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 15:20.40 | greycat | Package: libc6-dev |
| 15:20.46 | greycat | Provides: libc-dev |
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| 15:20.57 | shurik | greycat: where can I paste? si there official paste bin fo rthis channel? |
| 15:21.06 | stew | !paster |
| 15:21.06 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
| 15:21.08 | jethro | !tell shurik -about paster |
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| 15:21.12 | greycat | so there you go. libncurses5-dev only depends on libncurses5 and libc-dev, and the latter comes from libc6-dev |
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| 15:21.36 | shurik | greycat: I'd show on flood |
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| 15:21.40 | keedeep- | i need to know how to compile to get firefox 1.0.2 installed, i have downloaded it already |
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| 15:22.01 | greycat | !pal keedeep- |
| 15:22.04 | directhex|work | keedeep-, erm... apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 15:22.05 | jethro | heh |
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| 15:22.09 | directhex|work | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
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| 15:22.17 | kandalf | hi |
| 15:22.21 | keedeep- | that's it? |
| 15:22.23 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 8669 kB, Installed size: 24360 kB |
| 15:22.27 | jethro | keedeep-: while you're at it, don't forget to build the latest KDE if you have spare CPU cycles ;) |
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| 15:22.35 | dpkg | libc6-dev: libc-dev |
| 15:22.36 | shurik | well, I run apt-get install libncurses5-dev and it's not getting installed , damn it |
| 15:22.46 | shurik | buh bah:) |
| 15:22.48 | greycat | dpkg: 'bout time! |
| 15:23.28 | keedeep- | hey i just started using linux last week , give me a break dpkg :) |
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| 15:24.14 | shurik | :( |
| 15:24.15 | greycat | keedeep-: you do *not* want to compile firefox. |
| 15:24.34 | shurik | gagaga |
| 15:24.35 | stew | shurik: why isn't it getting installed? |
| 15:24.36 | [OGI]-full0shrap | man aptitude |
| 15:24.47 | kneedeep | i thought you have to compile a tar gz file? |
| 15:24.54 | bob2 | lord |
| 15:25.00 | stew | kneedeep: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:25.03 | shurik | stew don't know, it's complaing that I don't have kernel-image-2.4.27 |
| 15:25.05 | kneedeep | mepis |
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| 15:25.12 | kandalf | what do I need to get the CPU temp? |
| 15:25.19 | shurik | funny |
| 15:25.27 | bob2 | kneedeep: try #mepis |
| 15:25.31 | dvs | kandalf: lm-sensors |
| 15:25.32 | shurik | very very funy |
| 15:25.32 | streuner | kandalf: lm-sensors |
| 15:25.34 | kneedeep | ok thx |
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| 15:25.38 | stew | shurik: you type apt-get install libncurses5-dev and it complains about a kernel-image? |
| 15:25.45 | shurik | yes |
| 15:25.45 | [OGI]-full0shrap | the beauty of linux is that you get to use the debian repository of software, it gets dependencies and has precompiled software using tools like apt-get, or aptitude |
| 15:25.53 | kandalf | kernel level lm-sensors? |
| 15:25.57 | jethro | yet another bore with AIX |
| 15:26.02 | shurik | stew: come on #flood I'd paste the output |
| 15:26.03 | streuner | shurik: read the FAQ and what i gave you |
| 15:26.10 | shurik | I read it already |
| 15:26.19 | directhex|work | kandalf, you need i2c kernel modules, and lm-sensors in userspace |
| 15:26.33 | kandalf | ok |
| 15:26.40 | dvs | i2c-isa |
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| 15:27.11 | streuner | kandalf: sensors-detect would tell you what you need to put into /etc/modules |
| 15:27.18 | kandalf | ok |
| 15:27.20 | kandalf | thanks |
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| 15:27.40 | green_earz | kneedeep: have a read of the apt-get primer for some back ground info on apt-get> http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 15:27.41 | directhex|work | or even do it for you if you rub it with cheetah blood first |
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| 15:28.19 | [OGI]-full0shrap | lol |
| 15:28.53 | [OGI]-full0shrap | kneedeep, you may live close enough to a LUG-linux user group. and get some advice from your local wizard. |
| 15:30.33 | dambodog | hi, is there a way for me to scan (sniff) my entire lan network and see which machine is using the most bandw ? |
| 15:30.44 | dambodog | if so what app should i use? |
| 15:30.51 | toresbe | Anyone know how to invert a PBM image? |
| 15:30.54 | greycat | dambodog: logging in the router |
| 15:31.17 | greycat | iptables should be able to log, but ask #iptables to be sure |
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| 15:31.33 | dambodog | greycat, ok. thanks |
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| 15:32.07 | aliasd | i am installing x on a laptop.... there is little info on this laptop online, and i need to know the sync ranges of my display, any help? |
| 15:32.14 | petemc | dambodog: iptraf can sort bt bandwidth |
| 15:32.15 | SpamHog | I love this place! |
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| 15:32.25 | petemc | s/bt/by/ |
| 15:33.00 | streuner | aliasd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 won't work? |
| 15:33.30 | aliasd | i think im in there now... but i need to know the sync ranges of the display |
| 15:33.41 | directhex|work | aliasd, want a hot sexy tip? ask nicely :) |
| 15:33.43 | streuner | aliasd: usually you get the infos about in manual or/and the website of the manufactor |
| 15:33.50 | directhex|work | aliasd, apt-get install hwinfo && hwinfo --monitor |
| 15:34.08 | aliasd | cheers directhex|work |
| 15:34.13 | petemc | aliasd: any time ive installed debian sarge on a laptop its done everything automagically |
| 15:34.17 | aliasd | i havent tried it yet, but i bet i will love it |
| 15:34.24 | aliasd | its woody |
| 15:34.25 | aliasd | :) |
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| 15:34.35 | directhex|work | aliasd, oh, i doubt woody has anything like hwinfo. |
| 15:34.37 | petemc | aliasd: dont expect too much then |
| 15:34.41 | directhex|work | aliasd, this is an antique laptop, right? |
| 15:34.43 | shurik | one more question, can I copy Debian's .config for 2.6.8 on sarge into unapcked source for .2.6.11.7 ? |
| 15:34.47 | streuner | !info hwinfo woody |
| 15:34.49 | directhex|work | shurik, yes |
| 15:34.51 | shurik | and compile it ? |
| 15:34.53 | aliasd | and i needed to install the os on a desktop, cause the laptop wont boot off the cdrom |
| 15:35.04 | petemc | shurik: make oldconfig |
| 15:35.05 | shurik | directhex|work: won't have any problems? |
| 15:35.07 | streuner | <dpkg> Package 'hwinfo' does not exist. |
| 15:35.11 | aliasd | its dodgy as hell |
| 15:35.32 | directhex|work | shurik, "make oldconfig" asks you about the differences, generates a more up to date .config from an existing one |
| 15:35.36 | directhex|work | !info hwinfo sarge |
| 15:35.39 | dpkg | hwinfo: (Hardware identification system), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.38-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 365 kB, Installed size: 1004 kB |
| 15:35.50 | aliasd | :( |
| 15:35.53 | aliasd | aw well |
| 15:35.55 | shurik | directhex|work: there was no existing when I unpacked it |
| 15:36.02 | shurik | exiting .config |
| 15:36.05 | directhex|work | hwinfo --monitor --> Max. Resolution: 1280x1024; Vert. Sync Range: 56-75 Hz; Hor. Sync Range: 31-81 kHz |
| 15:36.08 | greycat | shurik: I wouldn't. |
| 15:36.27 | directhex|work | greycat, i would, the debian kernel-source-2.6.11 is worse than upstream |
| 15:36.37 | greycat | shurik: I can tell you from direct personal experience that using a debian 2.4.18-bf2.4 config file with an upstream 2.4.25 kernel WILL CAUSE YOU EXTRAORDINARY PAIN. |
| 15:36.48 | greycat | directhex|work: how's that possible? |
| 15:36.53 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 15:36.53 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
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| 15:37.01 | directhex|work | greycat, really bad patching |
| 15:37.49 | Vladi | hi, recently my ssl services on my server stoped working including https and imap-ssl i redid the certificates and still when someone tries to get https or imap-ssl it asks to accept new certificate and then just sits there waiting. Can someneone please help? |
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| 15:38.01 | shurik | greycat: what if I copy .config as a template, patch the kernel add more modules for the patch and save .config for the newer version? |
| 15:38.25 | directhex|work | greycat, another example. search pdo for packages in sid containing cx88xx.ko, and try to explain WHY the listed kernel images are the only ones with that module. you'll struggle. |
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| 15:39.10 | greycat | shurik: you can try, but don't expect me to refrain from pointing-and-laughing if it fails. |
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| 15:39.17 | stew | shurik: you would also need to change all the stuff you need to mount the root fs from being compiled as modules to be compiled in directly, i don't belive the vanilla kernel sources support the cramfs that initrd uses by default |
| 15:39.21 | directhex|work | greycat, debian-kernel have made an absolute mess of v4l in debian kernels. in the end i pulled out /media/ from upstream and patched against that, there was nothing redeemable about the stuff provided in the kernel-source package |
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| 15:39.35 | stew | shurik: why do you want to compile your own kernel in the first place? |
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| 15:39.47 | toresbe | How does one rotate an image in GIMP by a degree or two? |
| 15:40.22 | jethro | toresbe: is this a joke? |
| 15:40.42 | toresbe | jethro: I can't find it |
| 15:41.01 | shurik | stew: I need iptables extesnions which is no longer available thro9ugh iptables source and only in kernel patch |
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| 15:41.04 | shurik | pom , there's something on apt-get.org |
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| 15:41.23 | toresbe | jethro: Under transform there's rotate 90 CW/CCW and a rotate 180, along with flip horiz and vert |
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| 15:41.32 | directhex|work | greycat, i find myself worried that i'm starting to agree with you about 2.6. surely they should at least test that all modules can compile before releasing? |
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| 15:41.58 | greycat | directhex|work: test? what's that? |
| 15:41.58 | dvs | directhex|work: which module doesn't compile? |
| 15:42.20 | cahoot | toresbe: see arbitrary rotation/godtycklig? |
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| 15:43.03 | shaggy_ | I've got a wireless card that's getting an IP from my router but it's not passing any traffic beyond that. |
| 15:43.07 | directhex|work | greycat, don't make me throw 2.6.8.1 at you |
| 15:43.17 | shaggy_ | Pinging a machine no the local network has it saying Destination Host Unreachable |
| 15:43.20 | directhex|work | dvs, cx88 in debian's or upstream's 2.6.11 |
| 15:43.29 | shaggy_ | and I don't know how to diagnose my problem any further |
| 15:43.31 | toresbe | Ah! There it was, in the toolbox |
| 15:43.37 | shaggy_ | can somebody point me in the right direction? |
| 15:43.55 | directhex|work | and if you patch cx88 so that it works, the dvb part doesn't work, because the debian people patching an unrelated v4l module screwed up |
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| 15:44.08 | prova | shaggy_ route ? |
| 15:44.10 | shingouz | shaggy_: the default route |
| 15:44.27 | shaggy_ | huh |
| 15:44.32 | shaggy_ | route is taking a long time to come back |
| 15:44.39 | jethro | shaggy_: route -n |
| 15:44.48 | shaggy_ | ok |
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| 15:44.58 | shaggy_ | 192.168.1.1 iface wlan0 |
| 15:45.06 | jethro | shaggy_: do you have somethingfor destination 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 15:45.13 | shaggy_ | yes |
| 15:45.15 | greycat | stupid 1980s SunOS boxes, probably. |
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| 15:45.21 | shaggy_ | sorry, the IP I put in was the gateway |
| 15:46.09 | directhex|work | greycat, solaris now isn't much better than then |
| 15:46.18 | jethro | at least now it's free |
| 15:47.46 | sml | greycat: ok i have the .iso, now its time for fun and games! |
| 15:47.50 | jethro | and it's "the most advanced UNIX OS ever" as per sun's website! |
| 15:48.11 | directhex|work | yes. so advanced, you don't have a firewall or root password by default ¬_¬ |
| 15:48.16 | petemc | they've deprecated sysv |
| 15:48.19 | greycat | jethro: typo. They meant "Teh most advance UNIX OS EVAR!!!1!" |
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| 15:48.38 | jethro | heh |
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| 15:50.02 | prova | hello, i cannot connect using pppoe, the firts time i ran it worked, now i tried using pppoeconf, plog etc, ppp0 seems to be up, i receive my ip address but cannot ping anything outside the network. |
| 15:50.05 | Chrissy2k5 | is there a way i can make my Unreal3.2 start at startup ? |
| 15:50.14 | directhex|work | it makes you configure x, in order to run a curses-based installation program in a small console window. which has 5.5gb of software by default, and no dependancy resolution if you decide to clean up. once installed, it bins your x settings (and demands them again). no root password is the default. adding users is broken. linux binary compatability sucks |
| 15:50.18 | directhex|work | bleh @ solaris 10 |
| 15:50.53 | jethro | heh |
| 15:50.54 | [machine] | direct: it's not meant for morons *shrug* |
| 15:51.08 | greycat | [machine]: what *is* it meant for? |
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| 15:51.30 | directhex|work | [machine], that's not what sun's marketeers would have you believe. and does that mean anyone who expects package management is a moroon? |
| 15:51.33 | jethro | it is meant for being used on their expensive hardware |
| 15:51.40 | directhex|work | jethro, already have some install dvds ta |
| 15:51.54 | [machine] | direct: i have my solaris install down to 200Mb quite happily |
| 15:52.06 | directhex|work | [machine], my condolances |
| 15:52.10 | jethro | hahahahaha |
| 15:52.17 | sepski | prova, try to ping your ppp partner, also verify you have recived a default gw 'route-n' |
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| 15:52.36 | prova | it ping |
| 15:52.38 | Chrissy2k5 | is there a way i can make my Unrealircd start at startup ? |
| 15:52.46 | prova | and i have as route 192.168.100.1 |
| 15:52.51 | xoz_ | what usually is the main cause of init respawning the getty? |
| 15:52.53 | jethro | Chrissy2k5: write an init.d script if it doesn't come with one |
| 15:52.57 | directhex|work | off home now. bye ladies. |
| 15:53.12 | Chrissy2k5 | hmmm |
| 15:53.17 | Chrissy2k5 | damn it |
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| 15:53.28 | Chrissy2k5 | Okay is the a Tune Up Time on how to make em ? |
| 15:53.37 | Chrissy2k5 | tutorial*** |
| 15:53.38 | prova | the route is correct |
| 15:54.01 | jethro | xoz_: screwed up entries in /etc/inittab ? |
| 15:54.06 | abel | what is the program under debian to configure the mouse speed ? |
| 15:54.14 | greycat | Chrissy2k5: read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 15:54.17 | simonrvn | Chrissy2k5: /etc/init.d/skeleton, /etc/init.d/README |
| 15:54.29 | Chrissy2k5 | ta :) |
| 15:54.44 | shingouz | Chrissy2k5: and if at all possible, use something else than unrealircd ;) |
| 15:54.58 | Chrissy2k5 | :O whats wrong with unrealircd ? |
| 15:55.24 | shingouz | Chrissy2k5: lets say that it is not real easy to configure or keep running properly |
| 15:55.36 | greycat | My god, this cafeteria is on crack. |
| 15:56.06 | Chrissy2k5 | course it is ... once its running it stays runnin ... i have had it runnin for 2 weeks smoothly untill i moved my box... so i had to turn it off... |
| 15:56.16 | aliasd | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/09/msg03586.html <---- probably the dumbest reply i have ever seen |
| 15:56.33 | greycat | Today: "Oven Roasted Salmon w Smoked Salmon Crust" Wednesday: "Grilled Cod with Mango Salsa". Friday: "Thai Sweet and Sour Cod" |
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| 15:57.20 | simonrvn | duh, of you won't get an available file with apt-get update |
| 15:57.21 | shingouz | Chrissy2k5: two weeks proves nothing. if you have a choice, use something else. if the network you are on runs on unreal, you are pretty much stuck with it. |
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| 15:57.31 | simonrvn | course you* |
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| 15:57.47 | Chrissy2k5 | like? |
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| 15:58.24 | shingouz | Chrissy2k5: did you check what apt-cache search tells you before you grabbed the sources for unreal and compiled it |
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| 15:58.57 | Chrissy2k5 | no i hav always used unreal .. and yes i have looked at many other ircds |
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| 15:59.43 | shaggy_ | jethro: sorry, plumber got here |
| 15:59.53 | shingouz | im not going to fight you over it. some people like unreal, some don't and as you can tell i am one of those who do not... ;) |
| 15:59.58 | brandnew | Hello everybody! It is the first time i come here |
| 16:00.18 | dvs | !beer brandnew |
| 16:00.21 | shaggy_ | jethro: I have an entry for 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:00.35 | Thanatermesis | please, any channel of Licenses related or any person help me to choice one ? :) |
| 16:00.35 | jethro | shaggy_: what's the router ? |
| 16:00.46 | shaggy_ | jethro: a linksys crapy-something |
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| 16:01.04 | [SpooK] | hey there |
| 16:01.09 | shaggy_ | jethro: my other laptop gets a connection just fine |
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| 16:01.26 | Chrissy2k5 | shingouz- its a fight damn you!!! |
| 16:01.28 | jethro | shaggy_: would you mind restating the whole problem, I m kind of lost |
| 16:01.28 | Chrissy2k5 | j.k :p |
| 16:01.35 | shaggy_ | jethro: np |
| 16:01.35 | shingouz | :p |
| 16:01.51 | shaggy_ | My wireless card (pcmcia) is getting an IP but it's not pushing any traffic |
| 16:02.03 | shaggy_ | I'm getting Destination Host Unreachable from ping |
| 16:02.09 | [SpooK] | how does one install Fluxbox as a Debian package (.deb)? |
| 16:02.38 | shingouz | [SpooK]: like any other debian package. apt-get install (or dpkg -i) |
| 16:02.43 | shaggy_ | [SpooK]: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 16:02.44 | pipeline | [SpooK]: /nick spook |
| 16:02.44 | sepski | shaggy_, make sure you get the routes you need and the nameservers you need, and that you have no firewall rules in the way |
| 16:03.01 | pipeline | !nickometer [SpooK] |
| 16:03.02 | dpkg | '[SpooK]' is 10.000% lame, pipeline |
| 16:03.02 | shaggy_ | sepski: I haven't put any firewall on the box yet, I'm just trying to get a connection |
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| 16:03.10 | shaggy_ | sepski: and my router is way too simple for that |
| 16:03.10 | [SpooK] | cheers |
| 16:03.20 | shaggy_ | sepski: but what do you mean by routes? |
| 16:03.29 | Anders1 | !nickometer [Anders1] |
| 16:03.51 | sepski | shaggy_, the output of the route -n command |
| 16:03.59 | pipeline | Anders1: I was poking fun at him because he had "[" and "]" in his nick, which is annoying. |
| 16:04.02 | Anders1 | ok |
| 16:04.15 | Anders1 | erm, why did i poke [ and ] around my nick |
| 16:04.18 | Anders1 | im a bit tired |
| 16:04.19 | pipeline | Anders1: You can msg the bot directly |
| 16:04.21 | sepski | you should have 1 route that's your subnet destination your nic device, and 1 that is your default gw, destination your router |
| 16:04.26 | Anders1 | noticed |
| 16:04.35 | Anders1 | i did so, and i will keep doing so |
| 16:04.46 | shaggy_ | sepski: I've got two lines, destination 192.169.1.0, gateway 0.0.0.0, iface wlan0 and destination 0.0.0.0, gateway 192.168.1.1, iface wlan0 |
| 16:05.05 | [SpooK] | thanks looks like he's got it working |
| 16:05.10 | Rawplayer | !nickometer Ra1stlin |
| 16:05.23 | |XO2| | when do the vote results get annnounced? |
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| 16:05.38 | sml | !nickometer sml |
| 16:05.55 | sml | the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for sml is 0.000%, sml |
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| 16:05.58 | sml | kewl. |
| 16:06.19 | shaggy_ | so if I have an IP and the proper routes, what else might be wrong with my networking that leads to "Destination Host Unreachable" errors? |
| 16:06.36 | sepski | shaggy_, you try to ping 192.168.1.1 ? |
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| 16:06.57 | shaggy_ | sepski: unreachable |
| 16:07.05 | sml | shaggy_: you can get icmp destination host unreachables if the routing has been administratively prohibited. |
| 16:07.14 | sepski | shaggy_, and you obtained that hosts ip with dhcp ? |
| 16:07.35 | shaggy_ | sepski: yes, and the error is comming from 192.168.1.111 (not the box in question) |
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| 16:07.47 | shaggy_ | sml: you mean like if I had turned off ping in my router? |
| 16:07.56 | shaggy_ | sml: other machines on this subnet can ping |
| 16:07.59 | jethro | shaggy_: what's the wifi nic (sorry if I missed it, got my sale in the office to talk about contracts) |
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| 16:08.10 | shaggy_ | jethro: lynksys wpc11 v3 |
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| 16:08.29 | jethro | shaggy_: is that 11b or 11g? which driver do you use with it? |
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| 16:08.45 | shaggy_ | jethro: 11b, and I'm using wlan-ng |
| 16:08.59 | shaggy_ | jethro: unless you know of a better one |
| 16:08.59 | jethro | shaggy_: you might ask such things in #wireless as well, since a lot of "wifi experts" are there |
| 16:09.06 | gothtec | Off-topic: How can i google for startofaword*endofaword, where * is absolutely anything but a space |
| 16:09.19 | jethro | shaggy_: I used hostap with my 11b card, found it more efficient and easier to setup |
| 16:09.38 | jethro | shaggy_: I don't know if it would change anything tho |
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| 16:10.24 | shaggy_ | jethro: I tried hostap but I couldn't seem to get it to recognize this card even though their website said it was supported |
| 16:10.33 | jethro | shaggy_: alright |
| 16:10.44 | shaggy_ | jethro: wlan-ng seems to recognize it at least *shrug* |
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| 16:10.49 | jethro | shaggy_: are you using the latest firmware available for that card? |
| 16:11.02 | shaggy_ | jethro: I've never updated the firmware for this card |
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| 16:11.13 | shaggy_ | jethro: I actually don't know how to do it in Linux |
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| 16:11.26 | jethro | shaggy_: google for howto firmware update linux prism2.5 |
| 16:11.59 | Dew | Hello |
| 16:12.49 | aliasd | hellow |
| 16:13.09 | f00bar | hi |
| 16:13.22 | Dew | I have some problem |
| 16:13.30 | f00bar | .. |
| 16:13.36 | sepski | shaggy_, why do you get a reply from 1.111 when that is not your router and not your box ? is it your access point or similar ? |
| 16:13.39 | Dew | How can I setup Tv tuner card |
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| 16:13.52 | f00bar | Dew: what card is it? |
| 16:14.00 | shaggy_ | sepski: I honestly don't know what 1.111 is |
| 16:14.27 | shaggy_ | sepski: ...wait, I'm an idiot, that *is* the box in question |
| 16:14.30 | sepski | shaggy_, and you have _only_ that interface in your |
| 16:14.35 | Dew | f00bar:Winfast TV2000XP on debian sarge kernel 2.6.11 |
| 16:14.35 | shaggy_ | (ifconfig is my friend) |
| 16:14.39 | sepski | lol |
| 16:15.14 | shaggy_ | I have the router set to dole out IP's from 100 on up and I didn't think I had that many boxes connected |
| 16:15.20 | shaggy_ | (something to look into later) |
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| 16:16.06 | xam | !factinfo problem |
| 16:16.06 | dpkg | problem -- created by gggzzz <david@VA1-RAS-13-u-0060.du.onolab.com> at Sun Apr 14 12:06:23 2002 (1093 days); it has been requested 15 times, last by xam, 2m 1s ago. |
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| 16:16.29 | xam | stupid factoid, let's get rid of it |
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| 16:17.33 | McCabe | hello |
| 16:17.46 | xam | !forget problem |
| 16:17.46 | dpkg | xam: i forgot problem |
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| 16:18.55 | sml | greycat: you there? i sorted my networking out |
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| 16:19.03 | f00bar | Dew: it looks like it is supported by the bttv driver |
| 16:19.04 | xam | LoonaTick: don't /msg me |
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| 16:19.18 | f00bar | Dew: either "modprobe bttv" or add bttv into your kernel |
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| 16:20.59 | Dew | f00bar : Sorry I talking english so well |
| 16:21.00 | McCabe | anyone know how to perform an ide reset on a dvd drive thats used with the scsi emulation? |
| 16:21.12 | Dew | f00bar : Sorry I talking english not so well |
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| 16:21.36 | f00bar | Dew: ok, don't worry |
| 16:21.54 | f00bar | did you understand what I said? |
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| 16:25.05 | Dew | f00bar : now what next i do |
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| 16:27.21 | maxxle | Is there a upper limit for the size of a ramdisk? |
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| 16:28.06 | sml | maxxle: presumably the size of your ram |
| 16:28.28 | sml | sorry disk |
| 16:28.29 | sml | lmao |
| 16:28.30 | maxxle | sml: Shouldn't this give a Size of 120MB after formating? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ram1 bs=1k count=120000 |
| 16:28.34 | McCabe | what could be the cause of my /dvd/sr0 (dvd burner using scsi emu) device dissapearing? it was there a few days ago and the box hasnt been rebooted in a couple of months?! |
| 16:28.37 | Dew | f00bar : do i must restart computer |
| 16:28.58 | greycat | McCabe: ide-scsi module got unloaded? |
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| 16:34.12 | alumnos | m |
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| 16:34.14 | Zaoo | maxxle: count=12288 |
| 16:34.14 | Zaoo | err, 122880 |
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| 16:34.15 | maxxle | . |
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| 16:34.17 | greycat | !blame LoRez |
| 16:34.18 | alumnos | h |
| 16:34.18 | Ferret | maxxle: Do you mean the upper limit of creating one, or the upper limit of what you can set it to in kernel configuration? |
| 16:34.18 | McCabe | greycat: no, its there, and i cant rmmod it because module "cdrom" is busy.. trying to find out why |
| 16:34.18 | Ferret | (The second thing answers the first thing) |
| 16:34.18 | alumnos | hola soy manuel |
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| 16:34.19 | maxxle | Zaoo: I have installed 2GB physically. But I can't get more then count=120000 bs=1k |
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| 16:34.21 | McCabe | greycat: you wouldnt happen to know how, would you? |
| 16:34.21 | sml | greycat: got the "broken pcmcia" card working and i have sarge rc3 with a -2- kernel all up and running. only minor scary part was fixing the system using knoppix. seems 8100 laptops need a certain option to stop it probing a certain IO range |
| 16:34.21 | sml | greycat: short story: DVD's tonight wohoo |
| 16:34.44 | sml | greycat: the same option , changing port 0x100-0x4ff, port 0x800-0x8ff, port 0xc00-0xcff to include port 0x100-0x4ff, port 0xc00-0xcff would have worked on the older sarge install cd I was using, but I guess at least i've less updating to perform now. |
| 16:34.44 | Ferret | McCabe: Might be sr_mod (at a guess) |
| 16:34.44 | sml | Zaoo: you can use k in the count. |
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| 16:34.44 | alumnos | quien eres |
| 16:34.44 | Zaoo | sml: True, but that's not as fun :) |
| 16:34.44 | alumnos | no te ballas |
| 16:34.45 | Ferret | alumnos: #Debian-ES |
| 16:34.45 | Zaoo | heh, flood kick :) |
| 16:34.45 | greycat | !es |
| 16:34.45 | McCabe | Ferret: modprobing that one didnt do anything |
| 16:34.45 | greycat | ~es |
| 16:34.46 | apt | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 16:34.46 | alumnos | i am spanih |
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| 16:34.46 | greycat | @es |
| 16:34.46 | dvs | @es |
| 16:34.46 | ravenbird | somebody said es was For Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es channel. Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
| 16:34.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:35.36 | Ferret | Woah. |
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| 16:35.53 | alumnos | cuantos year you |
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| 16:36.14 | greycat | alumnos: /join #debian-es |
| 16:36.33 | Dew | f00bar : .. |
| 16:36.34 | alumnos_ | chao |
| 16:37.18 | FFs | f0000000000000bar |
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| 16:37.36 | greycat | f00fbug |
| 16:37.43 | FFs | bah! bum hug |
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| 16:37.53 | alumnos_ | i am like fotball socer |
| 16:38.01 | WW | Hello, world. |
| 16:38.20 | Chrissy2k5 | HELLO!!! |
| 16:38.27 | alumnos_ | hello ww |
| 16:38.36 | Chrissy2k5 | Do you come in piece ? or do we probe you now ? |
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| 16:39.06 | greycat | !probe Chrissy2k5 |
| 16:39.10 | Chrissy2k5 | :| |
| 16:39.12 | WW | Synaptic wants to replace "quanta" with "kommander". Is that supposed to happen? |
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| 16:39.57 | McCabe | WW: sounds a bit weird, but they're both part of kdewebdev |
| 16:39.58 | sml | 17:23 -!- sml was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] |
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| 16:40.01 | sml | erm wtf!? |
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| 16:40.17 | alumnos | hello sml |
| 16:40.33 | Ferret | sml: You would appear to be lagging dreadfully. |
| 16:40.40 | WW | McCabe: Yeah, kwebdev is involved too. dist-upgrade wanted to delete kde because of dependencies involving kwebdev. |
| 16:40.53 | alumnos | mi name is manuel |
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| 16:41.07 | sml | irssi show's no lag |
| 16:41.15 | sml | maybe I "was" |
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| 16:42.21 | alumnos | writer |
| 16:42.36 | prova | Please, could anybody help me with my pppoe connction? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=105168#post105168) |
| 16:42.41 | prova | sorry |
| 16:42.45 | alumnos | writer sml |
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| 16:42.53 | prova | http://tnet.no/paste/825112610886, could help? |
| 16:42.53 | WW | And the vim update also wants to remove kvim. After using sarge for a few weeks, this is the first time that dist-upgrade has suggested changes that seem mysterious. |
| 16:43.18 | simonrvn | WW: read the changelog |
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| 16:43.24 | sml | alumnos: ? |
| 16:43.26 | alumnos | capullos |
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| 16:43.47 | WW | simonrvn: Sure thing. Where is the changelog? (I'm not debian expert, obviously!) |
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| 16:44.11 | alumnos | sml''''''''''''''''''''''''' |
| 16:44.12 | simonrvn | /usr/share/doc/<package name>/changelog.Debian |
| 16:44.19 | simonrvn | alumnos: what are doing? |
| 16:44.27 | simonrvn | are you * |
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| 16:45.06 | brandnew | what is the diffence between xfs and xtt |
| 16:45.11 | WW | simonrvn: Does that mean I must install the package to read the changelog? |
| 16:45.13 | pif | how do I remove the first line of an output? |
| 16:45.23 | greycat | pif: sed 1d |
| 16:45.39 | greycat | WW: they're online at packages.d.o |
| 16:45.49 | pif | thanks |
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| 16:46.18 | WW | greycat: OK, thanks. |
| 16:46.36 | jethro | brandnew: in ascii code? |
| 16:46.43 | pif | "w | sed 1d" doesn't remove 1st line |
| 16:46.47 | prova | hello, i cannot connect using pppoe http://tnet.no/paste/825112610886, could help me? |
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| 16:49.17 | brandnew | jethro: there is a module in the confige of XFree86 for xtt,but you can start xfs alone |
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| 16:49.27 | simonrvn | prova: your default route is wrong |
| 16:49.43 | simonrvn | prova: it should be pointing at the other end of the ppp link |
| 16:50.17 | sml | !apt mplayer |
| 16:50.32 | simonrvn | prova: what's eth0 in your interfaces file say? |
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| 16:51.06 | prova | hmm |
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| 16:51.30 | simonrvn | prova: pppd[6529]: not replacing default route to eth0 [192.168.1.1] # the problem |
| 16:51.32 | prova | auto eth0 |
| 16:51.32 | prova | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 16:51.40 | Dew | please help me to setup my tvtuner (Winfast TV2000XP) |
| 16:51.51 | sml | !apt search mplayer |
| 16:51.52 | greycat | you're using DHCP client *and* pppd? |
| 16:51.59 | simonrvn | prova: is this pppoe with dhcp? |
| 16:52.05 | prova | simonrvn, what should i do? |
| 16:52.08 | simonrvn | greycat: seen that once |
| 16:52.13 | prova | dunno, i left the default setting |
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| 16:52.37 | dvs | Dew: I would if I was in Debian right now. |
| 16:52.44 | simonrvn | prova: assign a real IP to eth0. let pppd assign the default route. run pppoeconf |
| 16:52.51 | dvs | Dew: I think you need the bttv kernel module |
| 16:52.54 | greycat | simonrvn: I've had to set up laptops that could do either one (DSL at home, DHCP here at work). I gave them two choices on their pull-down menu: "Activate DSL" and "Activate DHCP". |
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| 16:53.01 | Dew | dvs : yes i am in denian now |
| 16:53.15 | simonrvn | greycat: interfaces file maps? |
| 16:53.23 | prova | simonrvn, i ran pppoeconf |
| 16:53.30 | simonrvn | oh, "pull-down menu" |
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| 16:53.40 | Dew | dvs: i am use "modprobe bttv" |
| 16:53.46 | greycat | simonrvn: MWM root menu, to be precise. |
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| 16:53.58 | simonrvn | oh neat |
| 16:54.01 | Dew | dvs: but now i don't know what i will do next |
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| 16:54.15 | dvs | Dew: apt-get install xawtv |
| 16:54.31 | simonrvn | prova: ok. you should change that 'dhcp' to static, and assign some ip to it. 192.168.1.1 is ok if nothing else is using that |
| 16:55.30 | greycat | simonrvn: if he's not actually using it, he doesn't even need to bring it up. |
| 16:55.31 | prova | ok, then should work? |
| 16:55.39 | prova | what about the route |
| 16:55.50 | Dew | dvs: how i listen radio with this card |
| 16:55.55 | simonrvn | greycat: you do need to, at least with my shit |
| 16:55.59 | dvs | Dew: xmms |
| 16:56.04 | simonrvn | (or used to) |
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| 16:56.15 | greycat | simonrvn: sarge's pppoe seems to be clever enough that you don't have to manually type "ifconfig eth0 up" any more. |
| 16:56.20 | greycat | if that's what we're talking abuot. |
| 16:56.39 | greycat | and in any case, you *don't* want to run ppp over the same interface that you just let a DHCP client daemon take charge of. |
| 16:56.46 | Dew | dvs: Ok |
| 16:56.50 | simonrvn | oh, i brping it up with auto eth0, i don't mess with that |
| 16:57.00 | brandnew | how to auto-add name at the front of the sentence in x-chat,would someone help me |
| 16:57.01 | prova | and, another think, i cannot ping myself :P |
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| 16:57.04 | simonrvn | greycat: yah :) |
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| 16:57.52 | Dew | dvs: do you have "/dev/video" |
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| 16:58.01 | Dew | dvs: i don't have |
| 16:58.10 | dvs | Dew: I'm not in debian right now. |
| 16:58.27 | dvs | Dew: but /dev/MAKEDEV can create it for you. |
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| 16:58.38 | green_earz | brandnew, use the tab key first three letter of the users name then tab |
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| 16:59.19 | Mash | dummer t-offline proxy |
| 16:59.21 | Mash | oh sorry |
| 16:59.23 | Mash | wrong channel |
| 16:59.25 | jethro | time to move on |
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| 16:59.35 | greycat | !tell jethro about away |
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| 17:00.58 | _raf256 | how can I encrypt a file using just password? |
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| 17:01.22 | _raf256 | and dont point me to a f*ing gpg manual, I want _just_ passwrod, normal symetric encyption, not damn gpg keypairs. |
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| 17:02.02 | greycat | raf256: man gpg |
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| 17:02.18 | Dew | dvs: how to use MAKEDEV |
| 17:02.19 | greycat | first hit on "symmetric", dumb ass. |
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| 17:02.33 | raf256 | stfu fat ass |
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| 17:02.55 | sml | greycat: lmao |
| 17:02.58 | greycat | at least once that I remember with certainty |
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| 17:03.08 | raf256 | ok, I ask more specyfic - is there any program _other_ then gpg to do encryption? |
| 17:03.10 | ateoh211 | when using aliased interfaces, i.e eth0:0, etc, should the gateway information for the aliased interface be included in the /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 17:03.15 | raf256 | sml: why You licked ass ;) ? |
| 17:03.17 | sml | raf256: the program des will do what you want |
| 17:03.20 | greycat | raf256: /usr/games/caesar |
| 17:03.27 | sml | raf256: i never lick ass but when somethings funny its funny. |
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| 17:03.33 | Zaoo | raf256: crypt mayhaps? |
| 17:03.46 | raf256 | Zaoo: now this sounds like a real answare, thnx Ill check it out |
| 17:03.57 | ateoh211 | does anyone know of any gotcha's with aliasing that would cause ifdown eth0:0 to not work, but ifconfig eth0:0 down to work? |
| 17:04.00 | sml | raf256: des will do what you want. a simple symetric cipher that's fairly strong. |
| 17:04.19 | simonrvn | gwads... |
| 17:04.26 | greycat | raf256: so, what precisely is wrong with using gpg -c? |
| 17:04.29 | simonrvn | ... s/wa/aw/ |
| 17:04.30 | sml | ateoh211: ifdown is a script, ifconfig is a command. |
| 17:04.33 | humbolt | Suddenly I have priorities 500 for all testing and sid packages eventhough set differently in preferences file. |
| 17:04.39 | sml | ateoh211: check your ifdown script. |
| 17:04.45 | raf256 | btw, how do cfs work on debian? is it stable, safe and so on? |
| 17:04.46 | humbolt | what might have happend? |
| 17:04.50 | raf256 | !cfs |
| 17:04.50 | dpkg | [cfs] a Cryptographic Filesystem supports secure storage at the system level through a standard Unix file system interface to encrypted files. Users associate a cryptographic key with the directories they wish to protect. Files in these directories (as well as their pathname components) are transparently encrypted & decrypted with the specified key without further intervention; cleartext is never stored on a disk or sent to a remote file server. |
| 17:05.49 | sml | greycat: the -c option uses CAST5, must admit not heard of that one. |
| 17:05.58 | ateoh211 | sml: because what is actually happening on boot is that there is no network except for the lan the card is configured to, but, once an ifconfig eth0:0 & ifup eth0:0 is run, everything is peachy again |
| 17:06.20 | ateoh211 | sml: will check the script as well, may be unrelated to the overall problem |
| 17:06.40 | greycat | sml: by default, perhaps. You can also specify which one to use. |
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| 17:06.52 | sml | ateoh211: well i'm no pro but I believe those scripts just call ifconfig, so if ifconfig works and ifup/down doesn't then I'd check your scripts. |
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| 17:06.59 | greycat | Cipher: 3DES, CAST5, BLOWFISH, RIJNDAEL, RIJNDAEL192, RIJNDAEL256, TWOFISH |
| 17:07.10 | sml | wow. rijndael. nice. |
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| 17:07.15 | greycat | and that's in woody |
| 17:07.23 | simonrvn | damn |
| 17:07.35 | greycat | in sarge, it's called "AES", but I assume it's still rijndael |
| 17:07.36 | ateoh211 | sml: ok |
| 17:07.49 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 17:07.55 | sml | that's only the official name for it. |
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| 17:08.19 | sml | American Encryption Standard or some such... its the new "government" standard replacing des isn't it? |
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| 17:08.36 | sml | I cant keep up with the number of algorithms and their names. |
| 17:08.40 | dafen | what' |
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| 17:08.50 | Zaoo | AES or Rijndael |
| 17:08.51 | dafen | what's the advantages of p4 extreme eidtion? why it's so expensive? |
| 17:08.52 | sml | openssl -ciphers , lists god know's how many! |
| 17:09.06 | Zaoo | If you want fun cryptos, try ECCs |
| 17:09.07 | dafen | I mean performance advantages, surely I know that it has 2mb l3 cache |
| 17:09.13 | sml | the difference with openssl is that it performs cipher negotiation! lol |
| 17:09.16 | Zaoo | My head hurts from thinking about them. |
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| 17:09.23 | aardvark | !confuse Zaoo |
| 17:09.24 | dpkg | Yes, them is your gerbil tomorrow, Zaoo? shirts of the monarchy of tibet with extra cream |
| 17:09.24 | sml | so you could end up using a pretty weak lowest common denominator. |
| 17:09.33 | simonrvn | dafen: fancy name that means nothing requires enormous amounts of advertising |
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| 17:09.55 | dafen | hmm... linux performance? or gaming performance? |
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| 17:10.31 | DiegoElias | hello, i have installed raid 1 and this dont works: I tried to turn off the first harddisk and startup the system. After search cd boot, i see the black screen and the pc stop. What i need to do in the raid to fix it ? |
| 17:10.39 | Zaoo | aardvark: That !confuse worked :) |
| 17:10.44 | Zaoo | I read the log from the bottom :) |
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| 17:11.38 | sml | has anyone here installed mplayer on sarge ? I found an apt source line to someone that has kindly made debs , via a link from the official mplayer website , but I'm a bit weary. Should I make my own .deb from source ? What's the "right way" ? |
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| 17:11.53 | stew | sml: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 17:12.10 | sml | stew: yes its his server ;) |
| 17:12.16 | stew | sml: use his debs |
| 17:12.18 | simonrvn | @tell maweasd -about root |
| 17:12.38 | stouset | Where might I find a nice howto on building deb packages? Preferably something that encompasses debian_helper, fakeroot, pbuilder, etc. |
| 17:12.54 | ateoh211 | sml: ifdown appears to be an elf binary, is this correct for a script? |
| 17:12.59 | stew | stouset: apt-get install maint-guide |
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| 17:13.12 | sml | ateoh211: erm. no a script is ascii not binary |
| 17:14.07 | sml | ateoh211: check /etc/network |
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| 17:14.17 | stew | sml: ifdown is not a script |
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| 17:14.19 | JJK | I've a problem with ssh: if I try to connect, I get an error connection refused. Could someone tell me how to change that? |
| 17:14.28 | DiegoElias | hello, i have installed raid 1 and this dont works: I tried to turn off the first harddisk and startup the system. After search cd boot, i see the black screen and the pc stop. What i need to do in the raid to fix it ? |
| 17:15.39 | stouset | ateoh211: cat the script |
| 17:15.46 | stouset | ateoh211: there's binary data in it for some reason |
| 17:15.59 | sml | ateoh211: ifconfig will configure an interface , ifup/down will bring an interface up or down using /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:16.09 | JJK | I still have keyboard access to the server |
| 17:16.22 | sml | ateoh211: that's why ifconfig works and your commands dont |
| 17:16.32 | stouset | ateoh211: actually, never mind...it *is* a binary |
| 17:16.57 | sml | /sbin/ifup: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 17:17.18 | sml | ateoh211: I'm sure you have a mistake in your /etc/network/interfaces file which is *text* |
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| 17:18.29 | sml | JJK: do you deny port 22 ? |
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| 17:19.04 | ateoh211 | sml: that is the one thing I am going to try, is to remove the gateway setting from the aliased interface |
| 17:19.08 | sml | JJK: how is the connection refused ? an RST packet , ssh negotiation fails ? |
| 17:19.38 | sml | ateoh211: well i think there's a proper way of editing /etc/network/interfaces so that you *dont* edit it by hand. I always edit it by hand, lol, so I cant tell you what the command is. |
| 17:19.44 | stew | ateoh211: you should only have one gateway defined in interfaces |
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| 17:19.57 | sml | ateoh211: usually with debian there is a "correct way" and a "wrong way" of doing things. |
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| 17:20.27 | sml | ateoh211: so be careful when making changes in the interface file especially if you're not familiar with the format. I've made a mistake many many times. |
| 17:20.28 | ludi | anyone else not gotten any updates for about a week now (with sarge I mean) ? |
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| 17:21.37 | stouset | sml: editing /etc/network/interfaces is the "correct" way. |
| 17:21.44 | Pythos | Mornin' Say, anyone use the AGP Nvidia GForce4 MX 4000 card? Trying to bugger down the settings for x |
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| 17:22.04 | stouset | Pythos: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:23.10 | ludi | I haven't gotten any updates from sarge repositories in about a week now. Is this just me, or is this true for everyone else as well? |
| 17:23.36 | stouset | It's probably routine. |
| 17:23.41 | stouset | They're trying to freeze. |
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| 17:24.03 | sml | stouset: ok. well that's what I do, I guess its just I'm so used to their being some "reconfigure" type script and such like. especially like the new apache one for modules in sarge. |
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| 17:24.36 | green_earz | ludi: the jigdo file for the .iso have not been updated yet, all so |
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| 17:25.08 | ludi | green_earz: sorry, I can't make sense of what you wrote. Try again? |
| 17:25.16 | valdyn_ | ludi: depends on what you have installed |
| 17:26.27 | ludi | valdyn_: I have debian sarge, and I have been updating daily. About a week or so ago, the updates stopped arriving. |
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| 17:26.58 | valdyn_ | ludi: or none of your packages was updated? |
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| 17:27.10 | valdyn_ | ludi: did you not get at least not Package lists? |
| 17:27.20 | JJK | sml: sorry for my late reaction: I've listen 22 and how do you know how it is refused? |
| 17:27.21 | valdyn_ | ludi: did you not get at least *new* Package lists? |
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| 17:27.59 | Pimped | Hi, Questions: How can i conf. my ADSL-Modem under Knoppix 3.8.1 ? |
| 17:28.07 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 17:28.07 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 17:28.17 | Pimped | oh Sorry ;) |
| 17:28.36 | ludi | valdyn_: I did not get at least *new* Package lists. |
| 17:28.50 | stew | ludi: try a different mirror |
| 17:28.57 | stew | i have gotten sarge updates in the last week |
| 17:29.11 | ludi | I'm using ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ |
| 17:29.16 | ludi | what is another mirror? |
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| 17:29.32 | valdyn_ | ludi: looks to me like your mirror is broken or maybe your computers clock is / was |
| 17:29.35 | resiak | ludi: Use apt-setup |
| 17:29.49 | green_earz | ludi: use apt-setup to pick i different mirror |
| 17:30.08 | ludi | ok it's working now |
| 17:30.10 | ludi | weird |
| 17:30.26 | ludi | or maybe it always does that when you change mirrors? |
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| 17:31.22 | WW | Hello, world. |
| 17:31.29 | Pythos | hwy, what does " see <quick sid/sarge mix> " mean? |
| 17:31.41 | Teemu_K | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.48 | stew | ludi: looking directly at the kernel.org mirror it seems to have last mirrored on march 30th |
| 17:32.24 | resiak | Pythos: /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix |
| 17:32.24 | greycat | Pythos: it means: /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix |
| 17:32.37 | Pythos | ahh |
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| 17:32.38 | Pythos | k |
| 17:32.40 | Pythos | thnx |
| 17:32.47 | WW | I'm pretty sure I once saw something about a program that would create a create a graphical view of apt dependencies, but now I'm not sure what it is, or if it even exists. Has anyone heard of such a thing? |
| 17:32.54 | resiak | WW: synaptic? |
| 17:32.55 | gnat_x | anyone here worked with the gmailfs package? or have some knowledge of fusermount? |
| 17:33.01 | gnat_x | i'm getting an error that makes no sense to me when i try to mount the 'partition' |
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| 17:33.45 | WW | resiak: I think it was a program that would actually create a graph. Synaptic doesn't do that (or I have missed a big part of synaptic). |
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| 17:34.02 | ludi | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 17:34.02 | ludi | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 17:34.02 | ludi | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main |
| 17:34.05 | ludi | does that look okay? |
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| 17:34.30 | resiak | WW: Oh, sorry, my bad. |
| 17:34.40 | WW | resiak: No problem. |
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| 17:36.43 | solata | hello |
| 17:36.47 | solata | Invalid command 'ProxyPass', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 17:36.57 | solata | i get this when i execute apachectl config-test |
| 17:37.03 | simonrvn | solata: load mod_proxy |
| 17:37.07 | solata | thanks |
| 17:37.13 | Elmarco | hello |
| 17:37.21 | solata | :\ i echo something > /etc/apache/httpd.conf :\ |
| 17:37.34 | solata | so now i am trying to rebuild my whole configuration from httpd.conf.dist-upgrade |
| 17:37.35 | JJK | sml: before it did work, but after an upgrade to kernel 2.6.8 I got this error. After reinstalling 2.4.x it is not solved |
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| 17:37.44 | solata | [yea i didnt had any backup:(] |
| 17:37.47 | simonrvn | solata: ouch |
| 17:37.50 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 17:37.50 | dpkg | from memory, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 17:38.49 | solata | yea :) |
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| 17:39.11 | carbon60 | Afternoon folks. |
| 17:39.11 | ixi | Hi. Is Active Directory Service support available in sarge samba package 3.10? |
| 17:40.28 | carbon60 | hrm |
| 17:40.37 | carbon60 | Has anyone successfully booted from a USB key? |
| 17:40.52 | stew | carbon60: yes, i run d-i from a usb key |
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| 17:41.07 | carbon60 | stew: Hey, that's exactly what I want to do to. :-) |
| 17:41.18 | carbon60 | stew: Have a minute to help? |
| 17:41.20 | stew | carbon60: there are instructions for doing that right on the d-i page |
| 17:41.25 | stew | carbon60: well a link to instructions |
| 17:41.36 | carbon60 | stew: Of course, and I followed. I think I missed something... |
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| 17:41.53 | carbon60 | I just tried it, the key was detected by the BIOS but then gave me a boot failure. No syslinux. |
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| 17:42.08 | carbon60 | stew: Did you use the img or the manual method? |
| 17:42.20 | carbon60 | (I have a 1GB key, don't want to use the image.0 |
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| 17:42.58 | stew | carbon60: i've done both |
| 17:43.04 | carbon60 | Ah. |
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| 17:43.14 | carbon60 | let me make sure I read the same instructions as you did first. |
| 17:43.32 | stew | carbon60: i followed the instructions that are linked to at the bottom of the d-i page |
| 17:43.41 | carbon60 | Ah! |
| 17:43.45 | carbon60 | http://d-i.pascal.at/? |
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| 17:43.57 | carbon60 | Damn, I read stuff about it in the manual. |
| 17:44.05 | carbon60 | Maybe that link has some pieces I missed. |
| 17:44.15 | carbon60 | I'll read that and try again. Thanks! |
| 17:45.10 | Jims | What would be the best way of mounting a removable external USB drive? In /etc/fstab? |
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| 17:46.16 | carbon60 | Hrm, maybe the MBR is invalid. |
| 17:46.18 | pipeline | Jims: You could also use gnome-volume-manager |
| 17:46.30 | pipeline | Jims: which will automatically mount it under /media/somethingoranother |
| 17:46.55 | grumpy_ | I have a RH9 box that I'm responsible for and I'd like to download root's mail to my debian laptop and read it offline later, is there a way to do this? |
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| 17:47.04 | solata | simonrvn, load mod_proxy gives me : |
| 17:47.16 | solata | Invalid command 'load', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
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| 17:47.59 | greycat | grumpy_: you can *probably* scp it from /var/mail/root to the debian box. |
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| 17:50.54 | gds_ | Hi, how can I use hdparm with udev? If I edit /etc/hdparm.conf, it doesn't find device file |
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| 17:51.27 | Virtual | Who can recomend me a good browser? |
| 17:51.35 | greycat | Now *that's* a classic. hdparm wit hudev. |
| 17:51.42 | grumpy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.50 | gds_ | Virtual, firefox, konqueror |
| 17:51.57 | ixi | Is upgrading from samba 3.07 to 3.10 recommended? |
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| 17:52.17 | Virtual | firefox keeps returning messages like : The document has no data. |
| 17:52.18 | greycat | ixi: apt-get install samba |
| 17:52.21 | gds_ | greycat, how can I do? |
| 17:52.34 | greycat | gds_: 1) don't use udev. it's bad. 2) don't use hdparm. it's bad. |
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| 17:52.39 | Jims | Virtual, you on an http proxy server? |
| 17:52.40 | gds_ | Virtual, the connection's broken or very slow |
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| 17:52.56 | ixi | greycat: in other words - yes? :) |
| 17:53.21 | gds_ | greycat, I use Ubuntu and udev's standard. How can I enable dma for my cdrom drive? |
| 17:53.24 | Chrissy2k5 | ixi- well it wouldnt hurt to upgrade |
| 17:53.25 | carbon60 | Oh, got farther this time: "MBR FA:" |
| 17:53.35 | greycat | gds_: /join #ubuntu |
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| 17:53.47 | greycat | 3) don't use ubuntu. it's bad. |
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| 17:54.27 | gds_ | greycat, I have Debian Sid too and I've the same problem :-) |
| 17:55.01 | gds_ | greycat, everybody uses udev... |
| 17:55.16 | Qiang-wek | anyone familar with screen ? i can't quit my screen session because it doesn't accept any input. tho i could do any of the ctr-a . |
| 17:55.16 | gds_ | Why not? |
| 17:55.22 | simonrvn | gds_: no |
| 17:55.26 | jethro | greycat: I don't have any automated /away thingie for I found it as lame as you do, so your having dpkg tell me about it is pointless, and I ll keep on doing /me & when leaving the channel |
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| 17:55.39 | greycat | gds_: wrong. |
| 17:55.43 | Teemu_K | whats wrong with my madwifi, I did make, and make install, and when i try to modprobe ath_pci, it whines something, and dmesg shows "ath_pci: Unknown symbol ieee80211_ioctl" |
| 17:55.47 | ixi | Chrissy2k5: I intended to upgrade just because one guy told me 3.10 has a support of ADS. But '||cw' from #samba said samba still can't be AD controller due to patent issues. |
| 17:55.49 | greycat | everyone WHO USES GNOME AND KERNEL 2.6 uses udev. |
| 17:56.03 | greycat | everyone *else* is wondering what the fuck the gnome developers are smoking |
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| 17:56.16 | gds_ | greycat, udev is the future :-) |
| 17:56.27 | stew | greycat: not everyone who uses gnome, but everyone who uses gnome-volume-manager |
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| 17:56.51 | greycat | and in *any* case, you should *not* *not* *NOT* be using hdparm to change the kernel's configuration of your IDE devices. Load your motherboard's chipset driver module if it didn't get built in or loaded already, so that linux *automatically* uses the best possible mode. |
| 17:57.09 | greycat | gds_: you're an ubuntu-using little troll. don't tell me what the future is. |
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| 17:57.44 | Jims | I'm using Sarge RC3. Is it always supposed to download (update) the apt sources at startup? How can I get it not to do this? |
| 17:57.51 | f00bar | any udev users about? |
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| 17:57.57 | greycat | Jims: at *installation*. |
| 17:58.01 | greycat | f00bar: gds_ |
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| 17:58.06 | resiak | Qiang-wek: Ctrl-Q? Ctrl-A Ctrl-Q? |
| 17:58.12 | greycat | f00bar: according to gds_, udev is "the future". |
| 17:58.13 | f00bar | greycat: gds? |
| 17:58.19 | f00bar | lol |
| 17:58.19 | gds_ | greycat, no, no... why my cdrom drive hasn't dma mode enabled? When I watch a dvd, It's slow |
| 17:58.20 | f00bar | bot |
| 17:58.23 | Jims | greycat, could I do a dpkg-reconfigure on something? |
| 17:58.29 | Teemu_K | whats wrong with my madwifi, I did make, and make install, and when i try to modprobe ath_pci, it whines something, and dmesg shows "ath_pci: Unknown symbol ieee80211_ioctl" |
| 17:58.30 | stew | i have not yet understood what problem udev is supposed to be solving |
| 17:58.32 | Teemu_K | :P |
| 17:58.34 | greycat | gds_: did you load your MOBO chipset driver yet? |
| 17:58.43 | carbon60 | Yeah, hitting 'a' then '1', boots syslinux. |
| 17:58.47 | valdyn_ | gds_: why do you think that "slow dvd" is caused by no dma? |
| 17:58.51 | carbon60 | Is it possible to avoid the MBR prompt? |
| 17:58.52 | resiak | stew: What would you do if you had three USB pendrives plugged in? |
| 17:58.56 | solata | ehm damn .... what do i need to add to httpd.conf so php4 will work ? :\ |
| 17:59.02 | stew | resiak: ask myself why |
| 17:59.11 | resiak | solata: man a2enmod |
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| 17:59.26 | f00bar | ive got some weird permission problem with udev, my dvd drive is coming up as owned by root:root rather than root:disk |
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| 17:59.29 | gds_ | valdyn_, because if I enable dma It play good |
| 17:59.39 | Qiang-wek | resiak: thanks. ctrl-q worked. |
| 17:59.42 | greycat | f00bar: you mean "instead of root:cdrom"? |
| 17:59.50 | gds_ | greycat, I don't know... |
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| 17:59.54 | resiak | f00bar: Isn't it fun? |
| 17:59.57 | f00bar | no |
| 18:00.00 | Qiang-wek | resiak: what was happening tho? |
| 18:00.01 | f00bar | fucking annoying |
| 18:00.03 | f00bar | :) |
| 18:00.16 | simonrvn | you've been 0wned ;p |
| 18:00.16 | simonrvn | fucking lag |
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| 18:01.13 | valdyn_ | gds_: not sure what you problem is, but if hdparm gets run before udev is setup then that is defenitely a problem of either ubuntu or your custom way to run hdparm |
| 18:01.19 | resiak | Qiang-wek: Ctrl-S appears to pause terminals, and ctrl-q unpauses. I'm not entirely sure what it does. The Emacs tutorial makes reference to ^s a bit... |
| 18:01.33 | gds_ | when dma isn't enabled, It doesn't play slow, It play [a scatti... qualche italiano traduca please :-))] |
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| 18:01.59 | valdyn_ | gds_: how are you runnng hdarm when it doesnt work? |
| 18:02.14 | greycat | valdyn_: or he needs to stick "piix" or something similar in /etc/modules |
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| 18:02.18 | Whooper | hello! question: how do you explicitly bring up eth0 in debian? |
| 18:02.23 | greycat | Whooper: ifup eth0 |
| 18:02.35 | gds_ | valdyn_, /etc/rcS.d/S07hdparm |
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| 18:02.46 | Whooper | ah. thanks |
| 18:02.54 | greycat | I'd ask "are all ubuntu users this pathetic", but I already know the answer. |
| 18:02.58 | Qiang-wek | resiak: ah. thanks. i will know what to do next time i press the ctrl-s :) |
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| 18:03.13 | Teemu_K | whats wrong with my madwifi, I did make, and make install, and when i try to modprobe ath_pci, it whines something, and dmesg shows "ath_pci: Unknown symbol ieee80211_ioctl" |
| 18:03.18 | resiak | Qiang-wek: It can be handy, actually, if stuff is scrolling too fast to read. |
| 18:03.27 | Teemu_K | sorry about asking allover again but i wanna have answer :< |
| 18:03.30 | greycat | gds_: free hint: ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/ide/pci |
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| 18:04.26 | Qiang-wek | resiak: yeah. mark that. |
| 18:04.58 | gds_ | greycat, sis5513 is loaded and used |
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| 18:05.33 | valdyn_ | gds_: that is after udev |
| 18:05.35 | possie | anyone knows what a Fixed Block Architecture is? |
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| 18:05.48 | f00bar | dpkg -P udev; apt-get install udev fixed it, ha |
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| 18:06.49 | gds_ | valdyn_, before I don't know |
| 18:06.51 | jethro | possie: http://www.snia.org/education/dictionary/f/ |
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| 18:07.09 | valdyn_ | gds_: but before hotplug / discover, thats a bug probably, add your ide driver to /etc/modules |
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| 18:07.48 | possie | jethro: thanks that's a real nice url |
| 18:07.49 | possie | :-) |
| 18:07.58 | macnamara | hi, I am trying to install a ftp server in debian. Which one should I use? |
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| 18:08.12 | simonrvn | sshd |
| 18:08.13 | jethro | possie: next time I hope you'll google first, it's the second hit for FBA |
| 18:08.28 | gds_ | valdyn_, thanks... must I rebuild initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386 too? |
| 18:08.32 | greycat | macnamara: none, if at all possible. |
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| 18:08.54 | possie | jethro: my second hit when searching for FBA isn't that url |
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| 18:08.58 | macnamara | greycat:? |
| 18:09.11 | possie | jethro: ow, whoops i see |
| 18:09.13 | possie | jethro: sorry |
| 18:09.42 | carbon60 | stew: Success! |
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| 18:09.57 | valdyn_ | which init script loads the modules from /etc/modules ? |
| 18:10.04 | carbon60 | lilo -M /dev/sda |
| 18:10.14 | gds_ | yes valdyn_, but why is dma enabled for hda? |
| 18:10.17 | carbon60 | Use fdisk to make partition 1 bootable. |
| 18:10.20 | carbon60 | And it boots. |
| 18:10.35 | valdyn_ | gds_: dma is normally on by default |
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| 18:11.31 | atm2 | i have a cups problem. I install cupsys-gimp drivers and now when i try to print a test page the printer not respond, when i see the jobs and restart it, It show me the message "client-error-not-possible", any idea? |
| 18:11.40 | gds_ | yes valdyn_, but if it's a bug, why is dma enabled for hda and not for hdb? |
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| 18:12.05 | carbon60 | Do most modern BIOS' boot from a USB key without changing the settings? |
| 18:12.17 | valdyn_ | gds_: your bug is the hdparm isnt run properly |
| 18:12.26 | carbon60 | i.e., if a brand new Dell server shows up, will it boot from a USB key by default |
| 18:12.27 | sepski | carbon60, if there is _no_ other boot device then often yes |
| 18:12.30 | sepski | but not allways |
| 18:12.36 | gds_ | ok valdyn_, I try to reboot |
| 18:12.47 | greycat | carbon60: why don't you ask Dell? |
| 18:12.51 | valdyn_ | gds_: at least thats what i understood, correct me its wrong.. |
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| 18:12.56 | carbon60 | sepski: So hopefully, Dell hasn't put anything on their drives then. |
| 18:13.05 | carbon60 | greycat: They have humans over there? |
| 18:13.09 | sepski | they probably have |
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| 18:13.19 | greycat | someone has to put the screws in. |
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| 18:13.47 | greycat | monkeys, apes, humans, what is difference? |
| 18:13.51 | greycat | you're all primates! |
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| 18:14.28 | directhex | pan-galactic |
| 18:14.34 | carbon60 | LOL |
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| 18:14.50 | carbon60 | Thanks for everyones help, I gotta run. |
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| 18:19.17 | BlueFire_ | Hi folks. I'm looking for a simple guide on how to create a multi-binary deb from a binary distribution any ideas? |
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| 18:23.10 | atm2 | i have a cups problem. I install cupsys-gimp drivers and now when i try to print a test page the printer not respond, when i see the jobs and restart it, It show me the message "client-error-not-possible", any idea? |
| 18:23.13 | Deep6 | how do I "reset" all the configs of a package if dpkg --purge won't work... |
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| 18:24.00 | valdyn_ | Deep6: why do you think it doesnt work ever? |
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| 18:24.24 | BlueFire | Deep6: you could hack the debconf settings database which is somewhere /var/lib or /var/cache I believe... but -purge should take care of that |
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| 18:24.59 | Deep6 | valdyn_, it normally does but I think it's a bad package (acidlab-mysql) claims I can't purge it because it depends on acid-pgsql which isn't installed |
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| 18:25.24 | BlueFire | can't you --force-depends it? |
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| 18:25.31 | Deep6 | how can I remove that dependancy I guess would be another way |
| 18:25.36 | Deep6 | ahh didn't know that |
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| 18:25.59 | valdyn_ | Deep6: that wouldnt be a bad package but a broken package database |
| 18:27.07 | Deep6 | valdyn_, can you suggest a fix? |
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| 18:27.11 | valdyn_ | Deep6: Depends: acidlab, php4-pgsql | php3-pgsql | php3-cgi-pgsql |
| 18:27.27 | mawer | how can i make dhclint not overwriting resolv.conf ? |
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| 18:27.40 | valdyn_ | Deep6: i dunno, if this were true, this would be a severe bug, id rather see the complete error message first |
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| 18:28.24 | valdyn_ | Deep6: packages being install and still depending on something that does not exist.. duh |
| 18:28.52 | valdyn_ | !tell Deep6 about paste |
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| 18:29.42 | d0s4gw | anyone have suggestions on how to get x working with an nVidia ti4200? |
| 18:29.48 | Deep6 | valdyn_, I didn't paste |
| 18:30.13 | valdyn_ | Deep6: i know, if you dont, then i can help you |
| 18:30.20 | valdyn_ | Deep6: i know, if you dont, then i cant help you |
| 18:30.40 | Deep6 | valdyn_, ok cool |
| 18:30.48 | davem | BitchX is annoying. :) |
| 18:30.53 | Deep6 | have you setup acidlab and snort before by chance? |
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| 18:31.13 | Deep6 | can I pm you for a sec valdyn_ ? |
| 18:31.23 | valdyn_ | Deep6: no, i cant help you with setting them up, only with package management issues |
| 18:31.26 | mawer | how can i make dhclint not to overwrite resolv.conf ? |
| 18:31.35 | valdyn_ | Deep6: no, dont pm me |
| 18:32.00 | Deep6 | valdyn_, ok, well I've resolved the package management |
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| 18:32.47 | mwilson | mawer: man 5 dhclient.conf |
| 18:32.53 | d0s4gw | anyone have suggestions on how to get x working with an nVidia ti4200? |
| 18:33.03 | valdyn_ | !drxx d0s4gw |
| 18:33.04 | dpkg | d0s4gw: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 18:33.05 | Deep6 | has anyone setup acidlab and snort from the debian packages in here before, I have a question about the databases snort and snort_log....should they be the same? |
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| 18:33.16 | dwu | d0s4gw use the nvidia driver binary? |
| 18:33.20 | dwu | god i hate ATI driver |
| 18:33.25 | valdyn_ | d0s4gw: are you using woody? sarge? |
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| 18:33.32 | d0s4gw | i believe woody |
| 18:33.41 | valdyn_ | !gf4 |
| 18:33.49 | d0s4gw | i just downloaded it from debians site 2 weeks ago |
| 18:34.04 | valdyn_ | d0s4gw: they dont work in woody, you are better off installing something newer, like sarge |
| 18:34.20 | d0s4gw | is that available on the debian site? |
| 18:34.28 | valdyn_ | !d-i d0s4gw |
| 18:34.29 | dpkg | d0s4gw, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:34.40 | valdyn_ | !tell d0s4gw about woody->sarge |
| 18:34.43 | davem | Is mouse sensitivity a wm, or xserver setting? |
| 18:34.53 | mwilson | xserver |
| 18:35.12 | mwilson | Although your window manager may well provide an interface to set it. |
| 18:35.34 | davem | mwilson: ok thanks. |
| 18:35.40 | mwilson | man xset |
| 18:35.55 | paster | "Deep6" at 208.38.35.162 pasted "acidlab" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/19 |
| 18:36.10 | Deep6 | valdyn_, there you have it |
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| 18:38.01 | simonrvn | i just subbed to this list, and wow, busy |
| 18:38.07 | valdyn_ | Deep6: dpkg --purge --force-depends acidlab-mysql && apt-get install acidlab-mysql |
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| 18:40.01 | conrad10781 | Hello everyone.. just had a quick question on a machine that is using firefox for the most part with a little gaim, does it matter if i use the vesa driver as opposed to the ATI driver? |
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| 18:40.54 | greycat | no |
| 18:40.56 | d0s4gw | valdyn_, that info you sent me, that will 'upgrade' me from woody to sarge? |
| 18:41.10 | valdyn_ | Deep6: this is just a dummy package ( acidlab-mysql ), i think you want to purge and install acidlab itself |
| 18:41.15 | Deep6 | valdyn_, yeah that's what I did |
| 18:41.22 | solata | i did apt-get install apache; apt-get install php4; apachectl restart |
| 18:41.40 | solata | and when i http://localhost/index.php i still get save as dialog |
| 18:41.40 | solata | :\ |
| 18:41.42 | aliasd | well.... conrad10781, on some machines if you use the propietory ati driver, firefox can lock up x |
| 18:41.47 | jetscreamer | hey so can you tell the kernel NOT to load a module from the boot: prompt ? |
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| 18:42.11 | greycat | jetscreamer: boot with init=/bin/sh and apply the knowledge from /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:42.15 | greycat | jetscreamer: then reboot |
| 18:42.19 | aliasd | i have a problem on my laptop, woody... mouse flies to bottom left corner of the screen without warning |
| 18:42.20 | conrad10781 | aliasd: so if nothing else its better to use vesa? |
| 18:42.25 | Deep6 | the only other problem I think exists between the snort packager and the acidlab packager, snort debconf defaults to a db called snort, while the debconf default for acidlab is snort_log which I don't know if they are sposed to be the same |
| 18:42.29 | aliasd | conrad10781, correct |
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| 18:42.39 | conrad10781 | aliasd: thank you |
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| 18:42.40 | greycat | conrad10781: with most not-bleeding radeons you can use the 'ati' driver |
| 18:42.45 | aliasd | conrad10781, you should only use the ati driver if you want to play 3d games |
| 18:42.54 | conrad10781 | which i don't :-) |
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| 18:42.55 | greycat | aliasd: meaning the 'fglrx' driver |
| 18:42.56 | conrad10781 | thanks again |
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| 18:43.07 | aliasd | yea, the fglrx one |
| 18:43.10 | jetscreamer | thankee greycat |
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| 18:43.23 | greycat | jetscreamer: is it i810_audio by any chance? |
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| 18:43.35 | jetscreamer | greycat: it's not for me, no idea |
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| 18:43.36 | greycat | jetscreamer: that's the one that Oopsed the kernel for me on a recent laptop |
| 18:43.49 | aliasd | thats right... xorg has an ati driver now... der |
| 18:43.54 | d0s4gw | valdyn_, do you know if sarge is also compatable with the nForce2? |
| 18:44.00 | Mr_Smoke | hello guys .... I've got to modprobe the hisax module at boot, but with options (namely "type=34") .. I created a "hisax" file with the options in /etc/modutils, it gets parsed correctly when update-modules, but at the next boot, the module is loaded *without* the options ... what can I be missing ? |
| 18:44.01 | greycat | aliasd: as does sarge. |
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| 18:44.09 | valdyn_ | d0s4gw: it is |
| 18:44.10 | hulu | i'm using make-kpkg and set my version number in kernel Makefile. how do i get rid of 10.00.Custom version crap? |
| 18:44.13 | aliasd | doesnt sarge run xorg? |
| 18:44.19 | greycat | aliasd: nope |
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| 18:44.23 | directhex | no debian runs xorg. |
| 18:44.32 | greycat | aliasd: /msg dpkg xorg /topic |
| 18:44.53 | Azra`el | !topicsmite aliasd |
| 18:44.53 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon aliasd. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:44.55 | glguy | I was reading about Debian's sane resource limits for normal users, and I was wondering if someone could direct me to a place to look those limits up |
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| 18:45.02 | aliasd | hahaha |
| 18:45.04 | aliasd | :P |
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| 18:45.12 | Mr_Smoke | in other terms |
| 18:45.18 | greycat | !factstats author |
| 18:45.26 | aliasd | anyone able to help with my mouse problem? |
| 18:45.26 | Mr_Smoke | how does one specify options to be applied when loading a module "automagically" at boor ? |
| 18:45.27 | greycat | hmm, probably still broken. |
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| 18:45.46 | valdyn_ | Mr_Smoke: /etc/modprobe.d/ , create a file there containing whatever options ( look at the other files there for reference ), update-modules is obsolete |
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| 18:46.00 | aliasd | REPOST: "i have a problem on my laptop, woody... mouse flies constantly to bottom left corner of the screen without warning" |
| 18:46.23 | aliasd | protocol: IMPS/2 PS/2 |
| 18:46.23 | Mr_Smoke | valdyn_, oh, right, failed to lookd there duh ... thanks :) |
| 18:46.26 | greycat | aliasd: wrong protocol, or gpm is being run at the same time as X |
| 18:46.36 | greycat | or hardware glitch |
| 18:46.54 | directhex | sounds like what synpatics was doing on my gf's laptop on every distro other than FC3 |
| 18:47.08 | aliasd | gpm not installed |
| 18:47.22 | aliasd | is there an alternative protocol to use a ps2 mouse on? |
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| 18:47.54 | aliasd | its a laptop mouse |
| 18:48.00 | Chrissy2k5 | how can i check if pure-ftpd is running ? |
| 18:48.07 | greycat | aliasd: PS/2 for most touchpads. ImPS/2 for scroll-wheel-mie |
| 18:48.09 | greycat | mice* |
| 18:48.12 | aliasd | ps aux | grep pure |
| 18:48.13 | chipdirt | NEED HELP wtth "moment of truth" installing new kernel 2.4.27. kernel-package made nice ...deb packages of kernel-source, kernel-headers, and kernel-image. instructions said to apt-get install only kernel-image. |
| 18:48.21 | Chrissy2k5 | ta |
| 18:48.30 | Chrissy2k5 | Ummm returns nothing... |
| 18:48.32 | aliasd | greycat, neither will work :( |
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| 18:49.07 | chipdirt | kernel boots from LILO but then freezes "unable to mount root fs on 03:02. Please append a correct "root=" boot option. |
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| 18:49.29 | chipdirt | LILO already has a root=/dev/hda2 option |
| 18:49.29 | aliasd | i can only move it about halfway across the screen most times before it goes back into the corner of the screen |
| 18:49.31 | solata | i have this in my modules.conf : LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 18:49.35 | solata | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.44 | aliasd | and the buttons on the mouse only work periodically |
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| 18:50.11 | aliasd | Chrissy2k5, try ps aux | grep ftpd |
| 18:50.11 | aliasd | ? |
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| 18:50.53 | greycat | Chrissy2k5: grep ftp /etc/inetd.conf |
| 18:51.14 | chipdirt | you folks got me this far .... |
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| 18:51.28 | jin | I need to allow some very clueless friends to upload large files to my server (temporarily). I could set up apache + php + upload script, but it seems like an overkill, and I don't want to waste time configuring. Is there a specialized program that does this sort of thing (the files are too large for email) |
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| 18:51.52 | aliasd | greycat, in your opinion, would an upgrade to sarge/kernel recompile possibly help me? |
| 18:51.56 | aliasd | its an old laptop |
| 18:52.02 | aliasd | around 1997 vintage |
| 18:52.03 | pingouin_ | chipdirt: you need to add the inird stuff to the lilo.conf |
| 18:52.15 | greycat | aliasd: I really doubt it's a kernel issue |
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| 18:52.26 | pingouin_ | apt-get install kernel-image create the initrd for it |
| 18:52.31 | chipdirt | pingouin_:what initd stuff? |
| 18:52.40 | pingouin_ | chipdirt: ls -la /boot/ |
| 18:52.52 | pingouin_ | initrd |
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| 18:53.29 | pingouin_ | check the lilo.conf, the debian automatik generated entry and do the same, add the line initrd=blah according the new kernel you've apt-get |
| 18:54.12 | pingouin_ | and then relaunch lilo /sbin/lilo |
| 18:54.18 | jetscreamer | hey what's the redhat equiv of dselect or aptitude |
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| 18:54.42 | pingouin_ | chipdirt: dont forget to relaunch lilo after modifications in /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 18:54.57 | pingouin_ | chipdirt: /sbin/lilo it also will tell you if it's ok or not |
| 18:55.04 | asac | hi, anyone has a hint, how I can get exim4 to deliver some users for my local domain to my smarthost anyway? |
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| 18:55.32 | chipdirt | pingouin_: I ran "liloconfig" to get the menu of different kernels |
| 18:55.55 | pingouin_ | chipdirt: sorry never did liloconfig, and i now use grub |
| 18:56.06 | hulu | why can't i use a hyphen in the revision number with make-kpkg? |
| 18:56.22 | pingouin_ | chipdirt: but i'm pretty sure you reboot trouble is about this initrd, if you have apt-get install kernel-image-x-x-x |
| 18:56.22 | hulu | i like kernels like linux-2.6.11-1-custom |
| 18:56.24 | Chrissy2k5 | how can i check if pure-ftpd is running ? |
| 18:56.26 | pingouin_ | it's needed |
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| 18:56.29 | jetscreamer | hulu: man kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 18:57.15 | jetscreamer | you can use rev= with letters iirc, but --append-to-version has to be . or numbers iirc |
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| 18:58.33 | macnamara | can someone help to configure wu-ftpd? |
| 18:58.38 | chipdirt | pingouin_: OK, I'm looking at /boot, and there is no initrd |
| 18:58.39 | hulu | jetscreamer: it says only letters and + allowed and freaks on hyphens |
| 18:59.09 | greycat | macnamara: no. |
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| 18:59.12 | stew | hulu: hyphens arent allowed in the debian revision by policy |
| 18:59.19 | greycat | macnamara: wu-ftpd is the WORST piece of ftp server you could possibly choose. |
| 18:59.22 | chipdirt | pingouin_: there's system.may, boot.xxx, boot.b, config-xxx,bitmaps, and vmlinuz-xxx |
| 18:59.40 | stew | hulu: only alphanum + and . |
| 19:00.01 | macnamara | greycat: what's the best one? |
| 19:00.08 | pingouin_ | chipdirt: strange |
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| 19:00.20 | chipdirt | pingouin_:there is a boot.0302 which I guess is what the error message was referring to |
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| 19:00.24 | greycat | macnamara: there is no good ftp server. |
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| 19:00.30 | greycat | ftp is *inherently* evil. |
| 19:00.33 | atm2 | i have a cups problem. I install cupsys-gimp drivers and now when i try to print a test page the printer not respond, when i see the jobs and restart it, It show me the message "client-error-not-possible", any idea? |
| 19:00.33 | pingouin_ | chipdirt: 2005-03-20 18:22 initrd.img-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 19:00.51 | pingouin_ | chipdirt: the one from the kernel debian base install |
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| 19:00.59 | macnamara | greycat:k, but what is a better on than wu-ftpd? |
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| 19:01.14 | jetscreamer | hulu: i just make --append-to-version match /etc/kernel-pkg.conf, and only use . or # in it. i don't mess with REV= or whatever it is |
| 19:01.22 | pingouin_ | macnamara: vsftpd |
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| 19:01.51 | Mr_Smoke | huh |
| 19:01.56 | Mr_Smoke | that was a silly nickname |
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| 19:01.58 | chipdirt | pingouin_: I tried 2.6 on this old laptop and it was too complicated. thats why I went with 2.4.27. I thought maybe it was because I didn't do anything with kernel-headers.deb or kernel-source.deb |
| 19:02.20 | Mr_Smoke | litterally means "you lot are fags" ... :/ |
| 19:02.20 | chipdirt | I've apt-getted grub and will install it now if that's just as well |
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| 19:02.48 | Absorto | Hello! How can I install zope-mysqlda? it depends on python2.2-mysqldb, but there's no such package! |
| 19:02.53 | greycat | Mr_Smoke: or "your [sic] all gay"? |
| 19:02.58 | pingouin_ | chipdirt: lilo is great also, i just switch to grub...because the installer had to ;) |
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| 19:03.18 | pingouin_ | Mr_Smoke: lol |
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| 19:03.27 | pingouin_ | Mr_Smoke: you know what it means ? ;) |
| 19:03.27 | Mr_Smoke | greycat, yeah ... probably ... he's apparently yet another french troll (I know them quite well, being french myself) previous nick was "hatedebian" (same person) |
| 19:03.37 | genix__ | Is there any easy GUI based ftp server for debian? |
| 19:03.37 | Mr_Smoke | pingouin_, quite. |
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| 19:03.42 | pingouin_ | ;) |
| 19:03.44 | macnamara | pingouin: does it have a user interface or should it be run out of the shell? |
| 19:03.55 | pingouin_ | macnamara: shell power ;) |
| 19:04.10 | chipdirt | pingouin_: and there's kernel-doc-xxx.deb in the top-level source code directory |
| 19:04.12 | pingouin_ | macnamara: http://vsftpd.beasts.org/#docs |
| 19:04.12 | simonrvn | shell powah! |
| 19:04.20 | hulu | the main problem i would have with something like linux-2.6.11.1.custom is that occasionally there are stock kernels names 2.6.N.n |
| 19:04.21 | Azra`el | shell powaaah! |
| 19:04.25 | pingouin_ | :D |
| 19:04.37 | macnamara | pingjouin: hmmm I prefer one with a user interface... |
| 19:04.48 | pingouin_ | server ? |
| 19:04.51 | pingouin_ | or client ? |
| 19:04.51 | hulu | to me the -1-custom denotes everything before the - is the official kernel name |
| 19:04.55 | toukitsune | Can you make an audio CD with mkisofs? |
| 19:05.04 | jetscreamer | so... wtf should i DO with this 4proc xeon rh vps server that i have... |
| 19:05.05 | pingouin_ | sorry maybe i misunderstood you're request macnamara |
| 19:05.05 | stew | hulu: you can create -1.custom, but not -1-custom |
| 19:05.09 | greycat | toukitsune: doubtful. |
| 19:05.10 | hulu | oh |
| 19:05.13 | greycat | toukitsune: why would you try? |
| 19:05.20 | stew | hulu: or -1+custom |
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| 19:05.26 | toukitsune | um because I want to make an audio CD |
| 19:05.28 | timo | toukitsune, audio CDs are not in ISO format |
| 19:05.29 | jetscreamer | i run top and i drool |
| 19:05.42 | greycat | toukitsune: cdrecord dev=0,0,0 driveropts=burnfree -pad -audio *.wav |
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| 19:05.55 | toukitsune | um yah they are. I have audio ISO files |
| 19:06.02 | greycat | you don't. |
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| 19:06.04 | Absorto | is there a way to tell apt-get to go ahead and install zope-mysqlda using python2.3-mysqldb, instead of python2.2-mysqldb? |
| 19:06.05 | pingouin_ | toukitsune: where you from ? |
| 19:06.13 | genix__ | how do I start ftpd? |
| 19:06.16 | hulu | and if i have EXTRAVERSION in kernel Makefile as -1.custom with make-kpkg not insert the 10.00.Custom? |
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| 19:06.19 | greycat | genix__: install it. |
| 19:06.21 | toukitsune | what does it matter where I am from |
| 19:06.30 | macnamara | pingouin: no worries mate! I am already glad that someone is willing to help |
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| 19:06.31 | Chrissy2k5 | how can i check if pure-ftpd is running ? |
| 19:06.32 | genix__ | greycat: and how do I configure it? |
| 19:06.39 | greycat | jetscreamer: not as fast as apt-get installing an image, probably. |
| 19:06.41 | simonrvn | Mr_Smoke: i guess he's saying he's "a bunch of fags" |
| 19:06.50 | hulu | and if i have EXTRAVERSION in kernel Makefile is -1.custom wiil make-kpkg not insert the 10.00.Custom? |
| 19:06.51 | genix__ | greycat: after I have installed it, "ftpd" does not work so |
| 19:06.51 | greycat | genix__: man ftpd (or man in.ftpd or man proftpd or ...) |
| 19:07.00 | jetscreamer | i only use -images on the kid's boxes |
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| 19:07.06 | jetscreamer | much easier |
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| 19:07.19 | wLuVdebian | hi |
| 19:07.26 | Mr_Smoke | simonrvn, (hey ltns) i'm quite sure he meant to insult us, but I like your point of view better ;) |
| 19:07.30 | jetscreamer | i can compile maps, but i have no time to map anymore :( |
| 19:07.36 | simonrvn | hehe ;) |
| 19:07.43 | jetscreamer | why is it when you get to where you can do stuff you can't |
| 19:07.45 | simonrvn | not that it's an insult, but wtf |
| 19:07.56 | Mr_Smoke | indeed |
| 19:08.02 | Mr_Smoke | he's a troll anyways |
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| 19:08.16 | pingouin_ | toukitsune: because, we are in a channel, where people from everywhere in the world gather, and beyond the scope of #debian, i like to make new internet friends, and you're nick sound japanese, thus i have my heart somewhere in japan...i just ask...but if it's too rude for you ;) nevermind ;) |
| 19:08.22 | irc__ | How can I add modules in Debian? |
| 19:08.31 | wLuVdebian | i read only bad news with debian, are ubuntu trolls taking tah pow0r? |
| 19:08.46 | simonrvn | irc__: what kind of modules? |
| 19:08.48 | jetscreamer | modconf best for n00bs |
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| 19:09.05 | irc__ | That are not in modprob? |
| 19:09.18 | irc__ | For my USB mouse |
| 19:09.19 | pingouin_ | irc__: modconf give you friendly list |
| 19:09.21 | mwilson | Gods, Ubuntu trolls again. |
| 19:09.23 | greycat | irc__: run sarge, and you probably will never *have* to add a module by hand. |
| 19:09.31 | simonrvn | use modconf like jetx said |
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| 19:09.39 | jetscreamer | wLuVdebian: why do ppl using ubuntu come in here and ask for help |
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| 19:09.50 | mwilson | greycat: They stopped using discover in d-i, then? |
| 19:09.54 | irc__ | yes, but I don't have those modules that I need |
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| 19:10.06 | irc__ | They're not in the directory |
| 19:10.06 | greycat | jetscreamer: because Ubuntu's users are all just as dumb as the newbie who has the question. |
| 19:10.07 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: no i'm not jetx, that's my w2k faxmachine nick :) |
| 19:10.09 | m4lu6 | ugh. |
| 19:10.13 | greycat | jetscreamer: so nobody in #ubuntu can answer |
| 19:10.18 | wLuVdebian | jetscreamer, i dont kno.. i m not ubuntu user |
| 19:10.23 | toukitsune | sorry pingouin_ I thought you were asking for something about my question or something..... I am not in Japan. I am in Montana US right now |
| 19:10.37 | mwilson | I thought WauWau still hung out in #unbuntu? |
| 19:10.44 | irc__ | I need usb-uhci and other modules, and they're not in there |
| 19:10.49 | simonrvn | wLuVdebian: why do trolls spend so much time here trolling if debian is on the way out? |
| 19:10.52 | Supaplex | Is Mandrake the same as Redhat because it uses RPM? why no, so don't expect us to support any distro using deb unless it's pure debian |
| 19:10.55 | greycat | irc__: modprobe usb-uhci && echo usb-uhci >> /etc/modules |
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| 19:11.03 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: i could've sworn that was you. oh well |
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| 19:11.12 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: it is me. |
| 19:11.23 | wLuVdebian | simonrvn, i m not a troll.. |
| 19:11.27 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: but i'm not on the fax machine atm |
| 19:11.29 | simonrvn | ok. i'm confused |
| 19:11.31 | mwilson | wLuVdebian: Of course you are. |
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| 19:11.34 | jetscreamer | dual boot |
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| 19:11.51 | Supaplex | wLuVdebian: denial is the first defense |
| 19:11.53 | simonrvn | wLuVdebian: just because you say you aren't doesn't mean you aren't |
| 19:11.57 | cureless | do you remember when #debian was about debian questions? |
| 19:12.01 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: ah |
| 19:12.09 | dondelelcaro | eh, take the troll meta-discussion elsewhere... |
| 19:12.12 | wLuVdebian | hmm me against all odds.. |
| 19:12.16 | Supaplex | cureless: yea, but that was a long time ago ;/ |
| 19:12.28 | Paganist | When i startx everything's normal besides the mouse pointer which is jumpy though, it's the good protocol i use.... anyone has an idea ? |
| 19:12.30 | irc__ | It says "Can't locate module usb-uhci" |
| 19:12.38 | cureless | maybe there should be a ##debianish channel. |
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| 19:12.55 | simonrvn | it usually is. i get fed up with them. i rarely feed them anymore, and that's the last morsel i give out |
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| 19:13.11 | sepski | Paganist, the good protocol ? lol |
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| 19:13.23 | chipdirt | When I run xpaint, the background screen flickers |
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| 19:13.38 | marsje | I'm trying to set up exim4 for bSMTP on sarge, but it seems like exim is not listening on any interface except localhost. What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:13.38 | Paganist | sepski: what's funny with this ? |
| 19:13.43 | mwilson | chipdirt: What color depth are you in? |
| 19:13.43 | ecks | Any one have any idea where I can input the modules from? |
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| 19:13.48 | simonrvn | ecks: probably because something else is using it |
| 19:13.50 | chipdirt | 16 |
| 19:13.58 | mwilson | Now you know why it flickers. |
| 19:14.00 | cureless | marsje: you probable told it to only listen on localhost |
| 19:14.01 | chipdirt | 16-bit that is |
| 19:14.09 | sepski | Paganist, only that it would have been more descriptive of you to actually say what protocol you are using then to claim that it is good |
| 19:14.10 | chipdirt | so how do I change the colour depth?? |
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| 19:14.17 | Phated | !drxx chipdirt |
| 19:14.18 | dpkg | chipdirt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:14.21 | pingouin_ | ecks: go root, apt-get install modconf, then try to type : modconf it's maybe what you look for |
| 19:14.22 | dondelelcaro | ecks: you can use $EDITOR /etc/modules, or modconf to select the modules you want to load. I'd suggest using modconf |
| 19:14.24 | marsje | cureless: I have the default settings and can't find where to tell it to listen to muy external interface |
| 19:14.38 | Paganist | sepski: before laughing maybe you should learn the mouse driver gots protocols, like microsoft, PS/2, imPS/2 and such |
| 19:14.49 | MhtingUbuntu | debian is very stable |
| 19:14.49 | streuner_ | Phated: hey |
| 19:14.56 | Phated | streuner_: Hey hey. |
| 19:14.58 | Paganist | sepski: i claim it's the good one because i use it for this mouse on an other machine |
| 19:15.03 | streuner_ | Phated: :-) |
| 19:15.04 | takatumi | Paganist: so which one of them is the "good" one? |
| 19:15.04 | Paganist | and it works |
| 19:15.09 | sepski | Paganist, i use ExplorePS/2 ...but i use 2.6 kernel here so .. |
| 19:15.09 | Phated | streuner_: What's up? |
| 19:15.11 | cureless | marsje: IIRC it's one of the setup questions when it's first installed. I can't help you more 'cause I don't use exim, I use postfix. But try to do a dpkg-reconfigure or something. |
| 19:15.15 | ecks | OK, I tried that, says "Sorry, modconf is allready the the newest version" |
| 19:15.17 | MhtingUbuntu | http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=813&cid=10650 |
| 19:15.19 | Paganist | imPS/@ |
| 19:15.21 | Paganist | imPS/2 |
| 19:15.27 | streuner_ | Phated: hanging around and watching debian-TV ;-) |
| 19:15.41 | Phated | streuner_: What happened to the good old days of #debian, eh. :) |
| 19:15.41 | Paganist | hum |
| 19:15.48 | marsje | cureless: is dpkg-reconfigure the tool to use if I use apt-get? (I'm new to debian) |
| 19:15.51 | Mr_Smoke | eww |
| 19:15.51 | Paganist | ExplorePS/2 ... |
| 19:15.55 | streuner_ | Phated: how do you mean? |
| 19:15.58 | Mr_Smoke | apt-get on dialup is teH suxorz :( |
| 19:16.01 | Paganist | ok sepski i try this |
| 19:16.14 | Phated | streuner_: Now we got debian-TV 'stead of debian-IRC. ;) |
| 19:16.23 | Mr_Smoke | 1st time in ages I see my download rate in BYTES per second :( |
| 19:16.26 | streuner_ | Phated: :-) |
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| 19:17.10 | green_earz | marsje: here a link to a intro in apt-get http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 19:17.11 | MhtingUbuntu | i heard debian is fast |
| 19:17.22 | SuperSox | fast is such a relative term :) |
| 19:17.22 | cureless | marsje: dpkg-reconfigure, the tool to reconfigure packages. Like I said, I don't know about exim, but try to do dpkg-reconfigure exim4 or something like that. Otherwise I'm _sure_ it's in the exim config files. |
| 19:17.26 | simonrvn | i've seen it that slow, but that was because the cat5 on the modem to my eth0 nic lost its little clip tag thingy (whatever that plastic thing is called) |
| 19:17.36 | simonrvn | MhtingUbuntu: welcome to my /ignore list |
| 19:17.48 | greycat | could all the Ubuntu trolls please just go away now? |
| 19:17.49 | Paganist | sepski: i don't have ExplorePS/2 |
| 19:17.50 | greycat | and don't come back? |
| 19:18.01 | sepski | Paganist, as i said that's for 2.6 kernels |
| 19:18.03 | streuner | MhtingUbuntu: make yourself a favorite and come back later... |
| 19:18.04 | dondelelcaro | MhtingUbuntu: that's great. Do you have anything actually #debian related to talk about? |
| 19:18.07 | toukitsune | Oh I have a question. I found a device that is oviously not a keyboard or a mouse but it has a PS/2 port on it. The device has an LCD display and a few buttons on it. How would I like test the device? I put it in the PS/2 port one time and it does power the device but I don't know how to test the keys and sutch on it |
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| 19:18.11 | Paganist | sepski: i use a 2.6.8 |
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| 19:18.43 | MhtingUbuntu | im so cutting edge with my debian .. |
| 19:18.47 | ecks | So is it that the module is allready loaded and is being used by another device? |
| 19:18.57 | cureless | MhtingUbuntu: you stepped in at the wrong time. |
| 19:18.58 | Paganist | toukitsune: do the device has something to plug the keyboard or the mouse in ? |
| 19:19.21 | ecks | Because I only have one module installed, and it's something different? |
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| 19:19.25 | toukitsune | no. its from a Jensen CD changer. its the corded remote |
| 19:19.43 | toukitsune | but it does have a PS/2 port and that rose my curiosity |
| 19:19.51 | sepski | Paganist, well it works for me.. |
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| 19:19.59 | Paganist | sepski: anyways, on the other machine, same kernel, same X versioni use imPS/2 and it works just fine. the hardware i install on is all brand new... |
| 19:20.07 | Paganist | sepski: you use xorg ? |
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| 19:20.11 | MhtingUbuntu | i like hurd |
| 19:20.11 | sepski | Paganist, and it's an identical hardware ? |
| 19:20.16 | sepski | Paganist, nope |
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| 19:20.26 | Paganist | sepski: no, but the mouse is the same |
| 19:20.29 | dondelelcaro | MhtingUbuntu: let me know when you have something to contribute. |
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| 19:21.45 | toukitsune | Anyway is there any way for me to test the device somehow? |
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| 19:22.24 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 19:22.27 | Paganist | hum |
| 19:22.28 | toukitsune | maybe plug it into a PS/2 to serial plug and use /dev/ttyS1 |
| 19:22.33 | SuperSox | What's this about Debian-tv? or was that a joke that went over my head :) |
| 19:22.39 | greycat | SuperSox: joke. |
| 19:22.45 | Paganist | i think i'll try to use it as usb |
| 19:22.47 | SuperSox | greycat: damn ;) |
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| 19:23.18 | simonrvn | i don't think anyone would watcg that |
| 19:23.24 | Phated | greycat: I whine not! |
| 19:23.30 | toukitsune | cause if I could get the device to work on linux it would be a very nice controler for xmms |
| 19:23.37 | SuperSox | simonrvn: I'm sure it could be made to be really interesting acctually |
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| 19:23.58 | Schiz0 | Hey, I have USB flash drives, and the systems not detecting them at all, thats a kernel issue correct? |
| 19:24.06 | SuperSox | Although Debian-TV is perhaps too narrow a scope |
| 19:24.10 | stew | Schiz0: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 19:24.10 | greycat | #debian: it's like TV, but the brightness knob doesn't work. |
| 19:24.16 | stew | heh |
| 19:24.17 | streuner | SuperSox: no, meta-troll discussion |
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| 19:24.20 | SuperSox | greycat: hehe |
| 19:24.23 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 19:24.27 | nydust | how do i sett a password on mysql? |
| 19:24.57 | Schiz0 | nydust- /join #mysql or read the docs :-P |
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| 19:25.13 | Schiz0 | or if you're lucky someone here knows, but i don;t |
| 19:25.14 | stew | nydust: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 19:25.26 | nydust | thanks |
| 19:25.36 | SuperSox | cheat and install phpmyadmin! :) |
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| 19:25.43 | toukitsune | Anyway. anyone have any ideas how I could work with the device? |
| 19:25.57 | Schiz0 | where do i get the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules |
| 19:26.13 | greycat | Schiz0: with your sarge kernel, usually |
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| 19:26.26 | Schiz0 | comes with it or i gotta recompile the kernel? |
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| 19:27.00 | chipdirt | Phated: I reconfigure xfree86 to use 24-bit colours, but xpaint still has a canvas colour-depth of 16 bits |
| 19:27.04 | sepski | Schiz0, its included just modprobe it |
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| 19:27.10 | AdolfBushHitler | hi there \o/ |
| 19:27.15 | takatumi | Schiz0: it's usually all compiled as modules, use modconf. |
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| 19:27.19 | simonrvn | oh ffs |
| 19:27.24 | cg0def | I have to apply a patch to the kernel and I was wondering if there is a debian tool to do that (other than manually apply the patch and create a dpkg for the new kernel) |
| 19:27.36 | Phated | chipdirt: Ehh... dunno then. |
| 19:27.42 | AdolfBushHitler | Im looking for a good SQL engine to keep track of my concentra.. of my freedom camps across the world. What can I apt-get? |
| 19:27.44 | Phated | simonrvn: Busy night for you. :) |
| 19:27.57 | simonrvn | yeh, really (day, fyi ;) |
| 19:28.12 | Ronin | wow the morons are out in force on irc today i see |
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| 19:28.21 | simonrvn | yes they are |
| 19:28.22 | Schiz0 | their not found in modprobe and modconf command isn't found, heh |
| 19:28.23 | Phated | simonrvn: Oh, pfft, minor details. :) |
| 19:28.52 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:28.52 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 19:28.53 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 19:28.53 | streuner | Phated: see, one goes the other comes... ;-) |
| 19:28.56 | Schiz0 | talking to me? |
| 19:29.06 | ecks | I have the same problem as Schiz0 |
| 19:29.09 | Phated | streuner: Oy, vey. :) |
| 19:29.10 | AdolfBushHitler | anyone here succedded in playing windows directX 9 games on linux/debian? |
| 19:29.11 | Schiz0 | I apt-get'ed it before i even said i didn't have it |
| 19:29.14 | miernik | I must have something wrong with NFS, I am trying to copy a 600kB file over 10 Mbps link, NFS mounted reiserfs partition and it goes a few minutes already , it can't be so slow. HCan anyone give me a clue how to diagnoze it? |
| 19:29.19 | stew | Schiz0: you need to run those as root |
| 19:29.23 | Schiz0 | i did, |
| 19:29.25 | psycose | hi sound like i got some depreciated files in /etc, apt-file search /etc/modutils/alsa-base give me no entry, can i suppress files that apt-file search don't know ? |
| 19:29.31 | Schiz0 | i'm not that linux n00buar |
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| 19:29.50 | sepski | miernik, ls -lh on the destination dir see if anything have come across yet |
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| 19:29.57 | ecks | How do you add modules to modconf? |
| 19:30.09 | streuner | ecks: you don't |
| 19:30.12 | miernik | I see chunks of UDP traffic all the time so it is doing something |
| 19:30.14 | simonrvn | keep hitting return |
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| 19:30.17 | streuner | ecks: use /etc/modules |
| 19:30.39 | stew | Schiz0: then apt-get install modconf... |
| 19:30.49 | Schiz0 | already done stew. |
| 19:30.55 | Schiz0 | where do i download the modules from? |
| 19:30.57 | streuner | ecks: just edit /etc/modules and put those modules you need into that file |
| 19:31.05 | stew | Schiz0: what does uname -r say? |
| 19:31.07 | ecks | But I don't have those modules |
| 19:31.11 | takatumi | streuner: how would that help if modprobe failed? |
| 19:31.15 | stew | ecks: what does uname -r say? |
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| 19:31.21 | miernik | sepski: 20k has come already |
| 19:31.23 | Schiz0 | i'm running kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 19:31.29 | ecks | They're not physically on my computer |
| 19:31.35 | greycat | Schiz0: what's uname -r say? |
| 19:31.38 | takatumi | ecks: grep -i uhci /boot/config-2.6.8-2 |
| 19:31.39 | streuner | ecks: so what's the problem? |
| 19:31.40 | greycat | it can't just say 2.6.8-2 |
| 19:31.42 | marsje | anyone using exim4? |
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| 19:31.58 | Schiz0 | greycat- i'm running kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 19:32.02 | simonrvn | @anyone use |
| 19:32.02 | ravenbird | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:32.03 | Schiz0 | 386. |
| 19:32.06 | benmf | hello - which irc client are you using on debian? I've got pork but the docs are non-existent. on slackware I used bitchx. |
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| 19:32.19 | Schiz0 | benmf- xchat. |
| 19:32.21 | Schiz0 | if you have a gui |
| 19:32.21 | chipdirt | mc |
| 19:32.24 | ecks | 2.2.20.-idepci |
| 19:32.28 | miernik | sepski: and it is going for about 10 minutes now |
| 19:33.20 | stew | !idepci |
| 19:33.20 | cureless | telnet |
| 19:33.20 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jebus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 19:37.37 | greycat | 15:32 CTCP VERSION reply from Schiz0: xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:37.37 | Schiz0 | yes? |
| 19:37.37 | greycat | Schiz0: your uname -r says v8 |
| 19:37.38 | greycat | bah. |
| 19:37.38 | stew | i knew that between those two i'd get at least one idepci or bf24 |
| 19:37.38 | greycat | Schiz0: your uname -r says 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 19:37.38 | streuner | ecks. /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 19:37.38 | miernik | 20kB per 10 minutes, that isn't the right speed on NFS? |
| 19:37.38 | stew | Schiz0: then you have those modules |
| 19:37.38 | Schiz0 | yes/ i know. and i told you that. |
| 19:37.39 | stew | Schiz0: no you didn't |
| 19:37.39 | greycat | Schiz0: no you didn't. |
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| 19:37.39 | greycat | 15:31 Schiz0> i'm running kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 19:37.39 | cureless | miernik: stuck on nfs? |
| 19:37.46 | benmf | yes - I have a gui but would prefer text console. chipdirt: you use mc? |
| 19:37.46 | Schiz0 | :-| |
| 19:37.46 | simonrvn | lemme guess, anpther spam bot |
| 19:37.46 | Phated | benmf: irssi-text, perhaps... Or you could always use bitchx. |
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| 19:37.47 | psycose | hi sound like i got some depreciated files in /etc, apt-file search /etc/modutils/alsa-base give me no entry, can i suppress files that apt-file search don't know ? |
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| 19:37.47 | sepski | miernik, use ls repeatadly see if it increases or if it's stuck, skip the -h to see real bytes |
| 19:37.48 | chipdirt | pingouin_: now that I'm looking at lilo.conf, it doesn't even have a line for initrd= |
| 19:42.06 | stew | Schiz0: 2.6.8-2 would be a kernel you compiled yourself, 2.6.8-2-386 would be a debian compiled kernel that does have those modules |
| 19:42.06 | greycat | psycose: try installing "cruft" |
| 19:42.06 | cureless | benmf: apt-cache search irc client |
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| 19:42.07 | psycose | hi greycat thanks |
| 19:42.07 | miernik | spektr: hmm, I pressed Ctrl-C a few minutes ago on the cp, and now it doesn't increase |
| 19:42.07 | Schiz0 | ok, so you needed the 386. I thought that just told me the processer type. |
| 19:42.07 | miernik | spektr: but I can't stop the cp with ctrl-c |
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| 19:42.08 | chipdirt | stew: hello. I made it as far as mounting fs with the new kernel |
| 19:42.08 | Schiz0 | so i just add those modules into etc/modules correcT? |
| 19:42.08 | cureless | miernik: did you mount with intr? |
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| 19:42.08 | stew | chipdirt: congrats, but i have no idea what you are talking about btw. |
| 19:46.06 | chipdirt | stew: kernel boots from LILO but then freezes "unable to mount root fs on 03:02. Please append a correct "root=" boot option. |
| 19:46.06 | toukitsune | omg im having problems. how could unmount not exist? |
| 19:46.06 | chipdirt | stew: it was a couple of days ago. you helped me apt-get kernel-package |
| 19:46.06 | stew | chipdirt: you forgot to compile in all the drivers needed to mount your root filesystem, which includes your disk controller card and your filesystem type |
| 19:46.07 | miernik | cureless: what is intr? I mounted it having "192.168.6.9:/var/local /mnt/tarnica nfs rw,user,noauto 0 0" in /etc/fstab and tuping "mount /mnt/tarnica" |
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| 19:46.07 | Phated | toukitsune: That would be umount. |
| 19:46.07 | zbrown | toukitsune, umount, not unmount |
| 19:46.07 | toukitsune | oh duh..... sorry my mind is going |
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| 19:46.07 | sepski | chipdirt, kernel-image for the first time ? the output of apt-get should say that you have to add a initrd= line in lilo |
| 19:46.08 | chipdirt | stew: I didn't delete any modules in the kernel=package interactive session |
| 19:46.08 | benmf | Phated: thanks. checking out irssi-text... |
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| 19:48.06 | greycat | miernik: "intr" on an nfs mount means the mount can be interrupted. |
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| 19:48.06 | chipdirt | sepski: ok, so what shouldthis line be? |
| 19:48.06 | greycat | miernik: e.g. if the server is offline |
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| 19:48.07 | serkanc | hi folks |
| 19:48.07 | stew | chipdirt: you compiled your own kernel, right? if you did, you needed to either compile a --initrd kernel or compile those drivers in (not M=as modules) |
| 19:48.07 | sepski | chipdirt, initrd=/yourinitrdfile |
| 19:48.07 | chipdirt | I used gpkg kernel-package |
| 19:48.07 | serkanc | is there any single file that i can configure startup daemons or progs |
| 19:48.07 | greycat | serkanc: maybe you want to install rcconf |
| 19:48.07 | stew | !wayc chipdirt |
| 19:48.07 | dpkg | chipdirt: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 19:48.08 | greycat | serkanc: but a literal answer would be "no" |
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| 19:48.08 | stew | serkanc: man update-rc.d |
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| 19:48.09 | stew | serkanc: and read /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:48.09 | serkanc | i know it greycat |
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| 19:48.09 | serkanc | i just ask if there is a single file |
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| 19:48.10 | serkanc | i heard smth about update-rc.d |
| 19:48.10 | chipdirt | stew: now you remember me. I did use apt-get, and it made nice .deb packages for kernel-doc, kerne-source,and kernel-image |
| 19:48.10 | greycat | serkanc: no |
| 19:48.10 | serkanc | it is debian specific |
| 19:48.10 | serkanc | ok i think i use rcconf |
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| 19:48.11 | stew | chipdirt: read my previous message about --initrd or compiling drivers in... |
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| 19:48.13 | MobyTurbo | serkanc: you could install file-rc and run a whole different init system. |
| 19:48.13 | chipdirt | sepski: I have an /initrd directory, but there's nothing in it |
| 19:48.14 | genix__ | how can I verify the file's md5 checksum? |
| 19:48.14 | stew | chipdirt: did you start from debian kernel sources or kernel.org sources? |
| 19:48.14 | MobyTurbo | genix__: md5sum |
| 19:48.14 | Azra`el | ..md5sum? |
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| 19:48.14 | benmf | md5sum filename. man md5sum |
| 19:48.14 | sepski | courier-pop3 and courier-imap works, but i get "your request cannot be authenticated" in sqwebmail, and all 3 uses courier-authdaemon, the users are in a mysql base, and have only a maildir no homedir, can that be a problem for sqwebmail |
| 19:48.14 | chipdirt | stew: not that its a big surprise, but my old debian mentor won't talk to me now |
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| 19:48.15 | chipdirt | stew: I apt-get-ed the source |
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| 19:48.15 | sepski | chipdirt, the initrds are ususaly in /boot with a symlink in / also |
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| 19:48.16 | dogayonv | is there some easy way for me to go into a dir and remove all 0 byte files? |
| 19:48.16 | Schiz0 | Hey, I put the usb modules i need in /etc/modules, rebooted, but still no usb drive found. |
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| 19:48.17 | chipdirt | sepski: that's what pingouin_ was saying. thereare no links to anything initrd in my /boot directory |
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| 19:48.17 | streuner | dogayonv: try find |
| 19:48.17 | dogayonv | find will remove all of them? |
| 19:48.17 | stew | chipdirt: did you run make-kpkg with the --initrd option? do understand what an initrd is in the first place? |
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| 19:48.18 | streuner | dogayonv: man find |
| 19:48.18 | LordFrith | dogayonv: find . -size 0 -exec rm '{}' ';' |
| 19:48.18 | dogayonv | thanks |
| 19:48.18 | sepski | chipdirt, well you's not useing kernel-images so i guess it might be different, but you couls allways make the link yourself, or just use the /boot/initrd path in lilo |
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| 19:48.19 | omi | hey all, CUPS question here. I've got samsung ML1210 printer which works fine with cups. I also have samba to share the printer to the windows box. When I print through CUPS, the printer pauses after each page , but when I print from the windows box the printer never stops |
| 19:48.19 | omi | any ideas? |
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| 19:48.19 | LordFrith | dogayonv: You might want to use echo first. Just putting in cmd lines that some idiot on irc told you is never a great plan. |
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| 19:48.20 | d0s4gw | omi, i had the same problem when i printed postscript files in ghostview under windows |
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| 19:48.21 | d0s4gw | i never figured out why |
| 19:48.21 | chipdirt | just system.map, boot.xxx, boot.b, config-xxx,bitmaps, and vmlinuz-xxx |
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| 19:48.21 | streuner | LordFrith: you are wrong in 99% of all answers. |
| 19:48.22 | sepski | chipdirt, well your not using kernel-images so who can tell. kernel-images + grub and i have have those kind of issues |
| 19:48.22 | d0s4gw | omi, it almost seems like it spools each page individually |
| 19:48.22 | omi | yep, exactly! |
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| 19:48.22 | d0s4gw | what application were you printing in? |
| 19:48.22 | omi | it seems like each page is a separate print job |
| 19:48.22 | omi | it doesn't matter which application I print on |
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| 19:48.22 | d0s4gw | hmm, because xpdf seemed to be fine |
| 19:48.23 | omi | the only thing that matter if it was printer through cups |
| 19:48.23 | d0s4gw | but ghostview wasnt... |
| 19:48.23 | d0s4gw | well nonetheless, i've seen the same problem |
| 19:48.23 | d0s4gw | but couldnt fix it |
| 19:48.23 | omi | samba is configured to use RAW driver (windows uses he ML1210 driver from printer) |
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| 19:49.20 | dvs | omi: Samsung? |
| 19:49.20 | omi | yeah |
| 19:49.20 | streuner | LordFrith: mostly there many people who look at that command and if its really wrong, you'll get response quickly ;-) |
| 19:49.20 | serkanc | where can i find jre for debian |
| 19:49.21 | omi | java.sun.com ? |
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| 19:49.21 | dvs | !tell serkanc about java |
| 19:49.21 | serkanc | not by using apt-get |
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| 19:49.21 | serkanc | shame on me sorry |
| 19:49.22 | LordFrith | streuner: Possibly. But are you willing to trust the other irc idiots instead of doing something quite simple to check iut for sure? |
| 19:51.33 | chipdirt | stew: OK, where should this line go? there's no mention of it in the #comments in lilo, and the old kernel works just fine. |
| 19:51.33 | stew | chipdirt: what line? |
| 19:51.33 | chipdirt | initrd=/initrd |
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| 19:51.33 | LordFrith | streuner: But, then again, if I'm wrong 99% of the time, then we'll have to wait for 99 more events until I say something correct. |
| 19:51.33 | streuner | LordFrith: You can trust the answers in #debian |
| 19:51.33 | peterS | trust the #debian. the #debian is your friend. |
| 19:51.34 | LordFrith | streuner: Why? No one has ever made a mistype on a command? |
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| 19:51.34 | LordFrith | if I had typed: |
| 19:51.34 | stew | chipdirt: you don't need an initrd with a self compiled kernel |
| 19:51.34 | chipdirt | stew: I thought the system moves to /etc/rc2.d to load all the init stuff |
| 19:52.12 | LordFrith | find . -size +0 -exec rm '{}' ';' |
| 19:52.12 | Phated | LordFrith: That's 99 more events -on average-, in the long term. :) |
| 19:52.12 | LordFrith | That could be an honest mistyoe. |
| 19:52.12 | saki | Does any body know the password to checkout a project on sourceforge ?? |
| 19:52.12 | streuner | LordFrith: sure, but the good thing is you get an correct answer in real-time then ;-) |
| 19:52.12 | stew | chipdirt: /etc/rc2.d has nothing to do with kenrel modules |
| 19:52.12 | LordFrith | And someone might take a few seconds to notice. |
| 19:52.12 | chipdirt | stew: does is matter that I only apt-get installed the kernel-image and not the docs orheaders? |
| 19:52.13 | saki | checking out using cvs |
| 19:52.13 | davem | saki: Whoa, that's a secret. |
| 19:52.50 | omi | So does anyone know if I missed an option in cups that it seems that each page is spooled separately as it doesn't matter from which application I print? |
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| 19:52.50 | The^Eagle | is it a common problem that a newly installed debian 3.0r4 system with ftpd can't recieve files faster then ~500kb/s? |
| 19:52.50 | saki | davem: Is the password, project based |
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| 19:54.30 | LordFrith | Meanwhile, the original questioner might have typed it in, or might have missed the correctioon. Yet, if he had types "echo" instead of "rm", he would have caught the problem himself. |
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| 19:54.31 | LordFrith | Note the number of people who _have not_ corrected that last command I mentioned. |
| 19:54.31 | omi | The^Eagle, not sure if it is only ftp server itself that you are using or maybe your network connection is being forced to 10 mbps |
| 19:54.31 | stew | chipdirt: kernel-image??? i thought you compiled this kernel? |
| 19:54.31 | davem | saki: Are you just doing anoncvs? Have you just tried pressing enter? |
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| 19:54.31 | The^Eagle | omi i'm using a 100mb switch |
| 19:54.31 | streuner | LordFrith: good lord, i said in 99% ;-) |
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| 19:54.45 | chipdirt | stew: that's what I keep telling you. I apt-get-ed kernel-package and followed the "new debian way" instructions |
| 19:54.47 | streuner | LordFrith: nobody would read for you man-pages, wouldn't it? |
| 19:54.54 | omi | The^Eagle, run mii-tool |
| 19:54.58 | omi | mii-tool eth0 |
| 19:55.01 | saki | davem: its actually looking for password, i know azureus is open source |
| 19:55.02 | stew | chipdirt: you said kernel-image |
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| 19:55.07 | omi | and which ftp server are you running? |
| 19:55.12 | LordFrith | streuner: Could you rephrase that ast question? |
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| 19:55.16 | LordFrith | (last) |
| 19:55.18 | solata | http://www.pastebin.com/270123 |
| 19:55.22 | stew | chipdirt: i keep telling you that you need to compile in drivers for your ide controller and your filesystem |
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| 19:55.38 | saki | #flood |
| 19:55.46 | streuner | LordFrith: scroll up, what i said to him earlier ;-) |
| 19:55.46 | chipdirt | stew: when kernel-package was done it left 4 .deb packages in the top-level directory of the kernel source |
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| 19:55.50 | stew | chipdirt: i keep telling you that you need to compile in drivers for your ide controller and your filesystem |
| 19:56.01 | The^Eagle | omi eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
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| 19:56.14 | chipdirt | stew: so then I apt-get installed the kernel-image package |
| 19:56.17 | The^Eagle | omi proftpd |
| 19:56.18 | saki | davem: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/azureus login |
| 19:56.18 | streuner | LordFrith: <streuner> dogayonv: man find |
| 19:56.22 | stew | chipdirt: no you didn't |
| 19:56.29 | LordFrith | streuner: And? |
| 19:56.38 | chipdirt | stew: where are the modules, anyway? |
| 19:56.39 | streuner | LordFrith: and what? |
| 19:56.39 | omi | The^Eagle, are you running woody sarge or unstable? |
| 19:56.41 | davem | saki: There is no password, just press enter. |
| 19:57.03 | Talnakh | Can anyone recommend a piece of student management software for schools? |
| 19:57.06 | The^Eagle | omi um, stable? :P |
| 19:57.07 | stew | chipdirt: if you installed a kernel.deb they are in /lib/modules/$VERSION/ |
| 19:57.12 | LordFrith | "man find" does not reduce the wisdom of trying out a solutioin with echo instead of rm first. |
| 19:57.18 | stew | chipdirt: but you need to rerun make menuconfig |
| 19:57.21 | omi | The^Eagle, try sarge |
| 19:57.27 | streuner | LordFrith: the thing is, i wouldn't give somebody an command if iam unsure... |
| 19:57.37 | LordFrith | streuner: I was quite sure of it. |
| 19:57.39 | The^Eagle | omi isn't that unstable? |
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| 19:57.46 | LordFrith | streuner: Like I said, I still could mistype. |
| 19:57.52 | Talnakh | Can anyone recommend a piece of student management software for schools? |
| 19:57.53 | omi | I never remember having problems regarding speed with proftpd wuftpd and some other server I tried |
| 19:58.03 | LordFrith | streuner: And you haven't ever been sure of something that you ended up being wrong about? |
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| 19:58.05 | The^Eagle | neither have i.. |
| 19:58.10 | streuner | LordFrith: ok, you said this to him so he can think of it then... |
| 19:58.14 | omi | unstable branch or unstable in terms of performance? |
| 19:58.23 | omi | the answer to both is generally no :) |
| 19:58.27 | chipdirt | stew: I see, now. there's ~build, /kernel, /pcmcia and 8 modules. files |
| 19:58.33 | LordFrith | Right. |
| 19:58.35 | streuner | LordFrith: not with command you could breaks the system |
| 19:58.55 | The^Eagle | omi i just need to change sources.list to sarge instead of stable and run a distupgrade, right? :P |
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| 19:59.08 | omi | yeah |
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| 19:59.39 | chipdirt | stew: and make menuconfig does not have all the questions pre-answered? I thought that dpkg kernel-package would have all the correct answers |
| 19:59.44 | The^Eagle | ok, still, i don't see why that would happen because it's using stable? :P |
| 19:59.44 | streuner | LordFrith: i told you already, i wouldn't say an command if iam not 100% sure (important commands) |
| 19:59.46 | LordFrith | Well, I offered a suggestion on how to solve his problem, and a way to test it before running to make sure it would work as expected. And then I warned him about any command he might enter. I'm not sure why any of that was improper. |
| 19:59.55 | Squiddy | Hi folks. I know this is an "off chance" but does anyone here know how to use QEMU? |
| 19:59.56 | stew | chipdirt: no it has none of the questions pre answered |
| 20:00.10 | saki | davem: Thanks it seemed to work |
| 20:00.10 | LordFrith | Amazingly, his files are not imprtant to me. |
| 20:00.42 | chipdirt | stew: so what options should I use, etc. or load somethings as "y" instead of "m"? |
| 20:01.00 | greycat | !debian kernel image |
| 20:01.00 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
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| 20:01.55 | stew | 15:35 < stew> chipdirt: you forgot to compile in all the drivers needed to mount your root filesystem, which includes your disk controller card and your filesystem type |
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| 20:02.23 | stew | chipdirt: why are you not just apt-geting a prebuilt kernel? |
| 20:02.24 | slushpupie | what is the proper way to set the default home page in mozilla firefox for the system? (ie new profiles created, not old/existing profiles) |
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| 20:02.51 | atm2 | #debian-kde |
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| 20:05.27 | travisat | I just rolled a new kernel for a computer last night and the strangest things happened. It works perfectly except for terminal emulators, ie urxvt, aterm, and the like. None of them work, yet the console works just fine, and x programs work just fine |
| 20:06.40 | dac | maybe you forgot pts. |
| 20:06.44 | travisat | pts? |
| 20:07.12 | dambodog | is there a way to undo my last action? |
| 20:07.13 | dac | man pts |
| 20:07.24 | dac | ;-) |
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| 20:07.40 | travisat | hmmm maybe |
| 20:07.42 | streuner | dambodog: in which way? |
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| 20:08.01 | travisat | I'll check that, I have never had this problem before |
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| 20:08.06 | streuner | dambodog: what do you mean with 'last action'? |
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| 20:08.44 | travisat | it won't except ssh either, so yeah it might be pts |
| 20:08.46 | dambodog | streuner, i just tar'd a file and instead of going into a new dir it opened up in my home dir causing a mess. i was wondering if there's a way to remove all those files that were just untar'd? |
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| 20:09.01 | travisat | s/except/accept/ |
| 20:09.15 | carnage | is the iPod the best way to go for portable audio players? |
| 20:09.24 | streuner | dambodog: uhm |
| 20:09.25 | Schiz0 | I hate iPods. |
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| 20:09.29 | benmf | tar tf filename.tar | xargs rm, or something like that...! :) |
| 20:09.31 | streuner | dambodog: try 'mc' |
| 20:09.31 | travisat | I love my ipod |
| 20:09.32 | Schiz0 | Their overpriced. |
| 20:09.51 | davem | carnage: Check out the neuros. It supports lots of formats and has an free firmware. |
| 20:09.54 | Schiz0 | look at the creative ones, their good. |
| 20:09.57 | streuner | dambodog: i would use mc for that |
| 20:10.02 | BrianAnthony | what is a good wm for running dual monitors? |
| 20:10.03 | travisat | although now I'd probably get a creative one |
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| 20:10.24 | carnage | i'm just not sold on the hard drive in a portable player idea.... what if you drop it? |
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| 20:11.14 | dvs | carnage: me neither |
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| 20:11.56 | dottedquad | could anyone give me a hand on configuring my ATI card? |
| 20:12.04 | peterS | carnage: apparently there exist some miniature hard drives that can take a *lot* of force |
| 20:12.13 | streuner | !tell dottedquad about ask |
| 20:12.24 | carnage | like, i want to replace my discman because i like to have music to listen to when i run and anti-skip really doesn't work when you're running for more than the 40 or 60 seconds of anti-skip that you have, plus your cds get scratched to shit |
| 20:12.28 | dottedquad | the gui of xwindows will not even start |
| 20:12.29 | BrianAnthony | how could I remove gnome without uninstalling half of Debian? |
| 20:13.00 | BrianAnthony | dottedquad: Are you needing help with the ATi driver? |
| 20:13.01 | dvs | !remove gnome |
| 20:13.01 | BrianAnthony | fglrx? |
| 20:13.02 | dpkg | methinks remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 20:13.05 | dottedquad | yes |
| 20:13.13 | BrianAnthony | dottedquad: I have just the thing for you =) |
| 20:13.13 | dottedquad | i picked the ATI option during the installation |
| 20:13.19 | dottedquad | alright great :-) |
| 20:13.29 | BrianAnthony | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 20:13.38 | carnage | well i wish there were more quality options for players with removable card memory... compact flash or SD or what have you.... those cards are only like $0.25/MB these days |
| 20:13.59 | dvs | carnage: What have you looked at? |
| 20:14.21 | BrianAnthony | dottedquad: and also, #ati is really cool too =) |
| 20:14.30 | carnage | i really haven't found anything yet, i'm just flooded with hard drive players in my search so far |
| 20:14.53 | Mash | bye |
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| 20:14.59 | carnage | and the ones that do use flash memory never seem to have removable card slots |
| 20:15.13 | dottedquad | alright, thx Brian |
| 20:15.14 | dvs | carnage: I have a Rio Cali 256MB player and it's OK. The MP3 player part has been flawless but the FM radio reception is poor. |
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| 20:15.23 | pipeline | carnage: Heh, I don't think you're going to find what you want. |
| 20:15.26 | Psycho_crk | hi |
| 20:15.45 | pipeline | carnage: These days, flash-based players are the size of a AAA battery. Anything larger has room for a hard drive; why bother with flash? |
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| 20:15.53 | Psycho_crk | cdimage.debian.org Down :-( |
| 20:15.55 | Psycho_crk | ^^ |
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| 20:16.14 | carnage | why is it so hard to make one with a removable flash card? |
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| 20:16.31 | Netdream | Question: Hi, everyone. Is anybody familiar with bluetooth-alsa? |
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| 20:16.38 | dvs | carnage: It has an SD card slot which can handle cards up to 512MB. The next version, the Forge, can handle up to 1GB SD cards |
| 20:16.39 | pipeline | carnage: There's no market for it. Flash-based players are only used at the very low end and the very, very small players. |
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| 20:16.58 | chrysopa | Anybody can help with a LTSP 4 configuration? |
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| 20:17.23 | carnage | dvs, hows the sound quality, that sounds like exactily what i'm looking for |
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| 20:17.45 | dvs | carnage: Sound quality is good. I have no complaints about it. |
| 20:17.54 | carnage | cool |
| 20:18.01 | chrysopa | I make the configuration like a version 3, but I have this error: rc.sysinit completed, Switching to multi-session mode. |
| 20:18.04 | carnage | thanks for the info |
| 20:18.09 | chrysopa | And it stop the process. |
| 20:18.26 | dvs | carnage: And the model I have is cheap now because they're making room for the new models. |
| 20:18.31 | msc | Netdream: hello, long time no see ! |
| 20:18.31 | chrysopa | I dont find the problem |
| 20:18.48 | Netdream | msc: ho ye,dude |
| 20:18.51 | dottedquad | alright well i can even get into the GUI of xwindows nor KDE so i can't even download it and unzip and finally install it.. or can i do it all from the command line? |
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| 20:21.24 | streuner | dambodog: yes, of course. |
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| 20:21.50 | cbgb | hi! |
| 20:21.51 | streuner | dambodog: How long do you use debian? |
| 20:22.06 | cbgb | has anybody used veritas in debian? |
| 20:22.18 | cbgb | veritas remote backup exec |
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| 20:22.52 | dambodog | streuner, a couple of years |
| 20:22.59 | dambodog | streuner, i never liked mc |
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| 20:23.18 | Andrea | hello |
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| 20:23.32 | chipdirt | benmf: yes I use mc |
| 20:23.40 | streuner | dambodog: hm, but its an secure way to remove files |
| 20:24.04 | dambodog | streuner, hmm.. how do i remove all the files that were created in the last 10 min? |
| 20:24.07 | dambodog | :) |
| 20:24.16 | streuner | dambodog: i told you |
| 20:24.28 | Andrea | cu |
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| 20:25.34 | dambodog | streuner, did you tell me how to remove files from 10 min ago? using mc? |
| 20:25.44 | simoriah | I originally installed Debian on /dev/hda2. Now it's on /dev/hda1 and every time debian rewrites the menu.lst file, it's wrong. Where do I change this permanently? |
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| 20:26.13 | streuner | dambodog: well, look in the man page if you can see something about, but i doubt it |
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| 20:26.39 | dambodog | streuner, ok. thanks:) |
| 20:26.44 | toukitsune | I need to burn an audio CD from mp3 files and I do not have time to DL k3b cause that will take more then 4 hours to dl. what should I use to make audio CD? |
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| 20:26.50 | stew | dambodog: touch -d "10 minutes ago" /tmp/foo ; find /dir -newer /tmp/foo -exec rm {} \; |
| 20:26.53 | juanmals | has anybody tried gnome 2.10 from experimental? |
| 20:27.10 | cahoot | toukitsune: http://linux.sgms-centre.com/howto/cdwriting.php |
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| 20:27.18 | JRWR | I need 2 packages and i cant find them (i need them to get internet on linux |
| 20:27.42 | JRWR | Winmodem Drives For a PCTel HSP56 |
| 20:27.42 | stew | JRWR: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:28.01 | stew | JRWR: try linmodems.org maybe |
| 20:28.02 | directhex | JRWR, i sincerely doubt there are premade packages for you. winmodems are pain |
| 20:28.17 | JRWR | how about 2,6 headers |
| 20:28.22 | JRWR | 2.6 |
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| 20:29.02 | streuner | dambodog: the effort to delete like 1 MB of files isn't it really worth to break your system or delete important files. |
| 20:29.06 | AdolfBushHitler | how to change pasword for root for mysql? |
| 20:29.07 | JRWR | ive got the srouce i need the headers |
| 20:29.36 | stew | AdolfBushHitler: read the README.Debian |
| 20:29.41 | dottedquad | i have a 17in CRT monitor.. what monitor option should i pick in the xwindows configureation? |
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| 20:29.48 | abrasif_ | hi guys |
| 20:29.56 | JRWR | Does 2.6 Kernel Headers even exsit? |
| 20:29.57 | directhex | dottedquad, woody, sarge or sid? |
| 20:30.02 | streuner | JRWR: apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6 |
| 20:30.03 | directhex | JRWR, erm... yes |
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| 20:30.24 | JRWR | i dont have internet on Debian |
| 20:30.30 | directhex | packages.debian.org |
| 20:30.30 | JRWR | thats what im working on now |
| 20:30.34 | JRWR | i knopw |
| 20:30.39 | JRWR | but there not there |
| 20:30.42 | directhex | sigh |
| 20:30.44 | abrasif_ | anyone knows if it is possible to change/set the UUID of a raid device? |
| 20:30.45 | directhex | which version of debian? |
| 20:30.59 | dottedquad | sarge |
| 20:31.01 | JRWR | Sarge |
| 20:31.02 | stew | JRWR: packages.debian.org/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:31.13 | directhex | and you're searching pdo for packages in sarge, not woody, right? |
| 20:31.24 | toukitsune | cahoot: That site only tells how to burn an audio CD from *.wav |
| 20:31.32 | stew | JRWR: what does uname -r say? |
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| 20:31.40 | cahoot | toukitsune: not - data cd's too |
| 20:31.54 | JRWR | 2.6.8 |
| 20:32.07 | directhex | JRWR, no version of debian would report 2.6.8 from uname -0r |
| 20:32.09 | cahoot | toukitsune: mp3 is 'data' |
| 20:32.10 | dvs | JRWR: Did you compile it yourself? |
| 20:32.10 | directhex | *uname -r |
| 20:32.11 | stew | JRWR: you compiled it yourself then? |
| 20:32.12 | toukitsune | cahoot: I was asking mp3 to audio cd |
| 20:32.22 | JRWR | no |
| 20:32.23 | toukitsune | not wav to audio cd |
| 20:32.27 | directhex | debian would report 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 20:32.30 | toukitsune | and not mp3 to data cd |
| 20:32.31 | JRWR | i really dont whant to restart |
| 20:32.33 | directhex | 2.6.8 means not_debian |
| 20:32.34 | dvs | JRWR: Then you're not using Debian |
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| 20:32.38 | JRWR | it takes forever |
| 20:32.40 | directhex | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-headers-2.6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 20:32.40 | AdolfBushHitler | how to change pasword for root for mysql? |
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| 20:32.46 | JRWR | i just know what kernel it is |
| 20:33.00 | directhex | JRWR, useless. you need to know the EXACT version to get headers. |
| 20:33.05 | stew | AdolfBushHitler: i already told you |
| 20:33.14 | directhex | JRWR, even grub's menu would tell you that info |
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| 20:33.48 | JRWR | brb then |
| 20:33.52 | stew | JRWR: are you not in linux right now? |
| 20:33.55 | JRWR | (hours later) |
| 20:33.57 | JRWR | rigth |
| 20:34.03 | JRWR | im trying to install my winmodem |
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| 20:34.13 | JRWR | it get a unstabel netzero working |
| 20:34.19 | JRWR | lol |
| 20:34.25 | cahoot | toukitsune: you'll need to decode the mp3 files to wav |
| 20:34.25 | mxn | Hi. Does anyone here use GMail SMTP as a smarthost for Exim? |
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| 20:34.31 | JRWR | The odd's are not with me |
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| 20:34.41 | JRWR | brb |
| 20:35.12 | streuner | JRWR: get an real modem |
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| 20:35.27 | streuner | and throw that winmodem into trash |
| 20:35.36 | jonz | hi there - someone told me there's a debian minimal ISO? anyone got the url, I can't seem to locate it. |
| 20:35.45 | Schiz0 | jo |
| 20:35.50 | Schiz0 | jonz* |
| 20:35.51 | streuner | !tell jonz about d-i |
| 20:35.52 | Schiz0 | the netinst |
| 20:35.53 | stew | jonz: for woody or sarge? |
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| 20:36.12 | jonz | er, which is latest stable |
| 20:36.20 | stew | jonz: woody, /msg dpkg netinst |
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| 20:36.29 | Schiz0 | woody is stable, testing is sarge |
| 20:36.29 | streuner | jonz: server or desktop? |
| 20:36.39 | jonz | stew is there a non-netinst version? i'm looking for a minimal server iso |
| 20:36.55 | streuner | jonz: what stew told you |
| 20:37.11 | stew | jonz: you can download a netinst or just the use cd1 from the cd set |
| 20:37.12 | jonz | thanks |
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| 20:37.41 | jonz | k, ya looks like i'll need the whole first CD if I don't want to install over the net |
| 20:37.47 | jonz | so there is a 'minimal' option right? |
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| 20:38.11 | stew | jonz: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 20:38.15 | smacnay_ | after loading my scanner (scsi) a few times and needing to remove (force) the scsi card module each time due a sane back-end freeze. The scsi device that gets used on each successive reload ,oves up a number (/ev/sg0 -> /dev/sg1 etc). How can I reset this so that the next time I use the scsi module, it will use /dev/sg0 again? |
| 20:38.15 | jonz | ya i did already |
| 20:38.25 | dvs | jonz: If you get just the first CD then you can install just the packages on that CD. |
| 20:38.50 | jonz | what i'm trying to figure out is if debian has a specific "minimal" option or if i'm going to have to make a custom package selection |
| 20:39.23 | aliasd | i selected medium reporting in apt-get by accident, how do i switch it over to critical? |
| 20:39.34 | jonz | e.g. fedora has this minimal option that only installs about 200mb of stuff, the essentials only |
| 20:39.37 | jonz | for building an appliance |
| 20:39.42 | juanmals | fedora sucks |
| 20:39.42 | jonz | or a firewall |
| 20:40.06 | jonz | ya that's why i'm in here |
| 20:40.08 | stew | jonz: the installer installs the minimal stuff, then you apt-get whatever else you want |
| 20:40.12 | jonz | it's either debian or BSD |
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| 20:41.08 | jonz | ok stew thanks...is woody 2.4 or 2.6 by the way, is that what's recommended for building stuff like firewalls and whatnot? |
| 20:41.18 | greycat | woody is 2.2-or-2.4 |
| 20:41.24 | greycat | sarge is 2.4-or-2.6 |
| 20:41.29 | stew | jonz: 2.4 is recommended for a firewall |
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| 20:41.42 | streuner | aliasd: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:41.42 | jonz | er, crud i'm going to need 2.6 for SATA support won't i |
| 20:41.56 | dvs | jonz: Yup |
| 20:42.04 | jonz | k, so what i want is 3.0_r4 ? |
| 20:42.07 | stew | no |
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| 20:42.10 | dvs | jonz: nope |
| 20:42.11 | stew | you need sarge then |
| 20:42.16 | stew | !d-i |
| 20:42.16 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:42.43 | jonz | sorry i'm sounding so lame, i've never even touched debian so i'm not familiar yet with your versioning |
| 20:42.57 | stew | jonz: and for running sarge on a firewall you win a subscription to the debian-security-announce mailing list |
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| 20:43.20 | Schiz0 | jonz- it goes stable (woody), testing (sarge |
| 20:43.29 | Schiz0 | ), unstable..is sid i beleive |
| 20:43.39 | jonz | where does 3.0 come into play, that woody? |
| 20:43.44 | greycat | !woody |
| 20:43.44 | dpkg | from memory, woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 20:43.48 | AdolfBushHitler | shouldnt unstable be called "windows"? |
| 20:43.53 | jonz | k, got you |
| 20:44.00 | greycat | HerrDubya: nice one. |
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| 20:44.17 | cheal | AdolfBushHitler: no, there's a separate procedure for windows compatibility |
| 20:44.24 | cheal | !windows compatibility |
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| 20:44.25 | dpkg | This is #Debian, compatibility, not #bungholes! |
| 20:44.26 | jerome | AdolfBushHitler: that would be extremist |
| 20:44.35 | dvs | doh |
| 20:44.46 | cheal | !windowscompatibility |
| 20:44.46 | dpkg | from memory, windowscompatibility is alias startx="(sleep $RANDOM; reboot) &; startx" |
| 20:44.46 | stew | AdolfBushHitler: windows is not unstable in the debian sense |
| 20:44.48 | plugster | hi, im trying to fix a apt-pinning but i get: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:13: Extra junk at end of file but line 13 is empty |
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| 20:44.56 | aliasd | cheers streuner |
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| 20:45.03 | nagual | if i 'lsusb' i get Bus 001 Device 002: ID 059f:0351 LaCie, Ltd, how would i partition that? cfdisk somethingsomething? |
| 20:45.12 | jonz | one other question will debian install from a USB CDROM? |
| 20:45.22 | jonz | fedora can't |
| 20:45.23 | greycat | /music/The_Rub/the_rub__george_bush_is_an_islamic_fundamentalist.ogg |
| 20:45.24 | dvs | nagual: flash memory |
| 20:45.25 | stew | jonz: yes, there is a howto at the bottom of the page |
| 20:45.29 | dvs | ? |
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| 20:45.37 | nagual | dvs: harddrive. |
| 20:45.40 | streuner | greycat: hehe |
| 20:45.51 | nagual | (sorry, should have said, im so tired now my eyes are cockeyed:) |
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| 20:46.00 | greycat | streuner: you can find some really wild stuff by just searching for "ogg" in any of the networks |
| 20:46.02 | dvs | nagual: Chances are that it will be seen as a SCSI drive |
| 20:46.03 | prahal | cdimage is down ? |
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| 20:46.19 | stew | jonz: nm, what i just said, i misread, the answer is just "yes" |
| 20:46.23 | plugster | hi, im trying to fix a apt-pinning but i get: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:13: Extra junk at end of file but line 13 is empty |
| 20:46.31 | Danar | little help? i'm trying to upgrade a bunch of stuff, and i'm getting this: apt-listchanges: Do you want to continue? [Y/n]? |
| 20:46.35 | jonz | hmmm cdimage.debian.org appears dead :\ |
| 20:46.38 | streuner | greycat: i prefer actually House Music... ;-) |
| 20:46.39 | greycat | plugster: that's why it says "at end of file", I guess. |
| 20:46.44 | stew | Danar: its a simple question |
| 20:46.44 | Danar | but it's not displaying the changes |
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| 20:46.54 | prahal | jonz: isn't usb cdrom only a matter f your bios supporting booting from it ? |
| 20:46.55 | greycat | streuner: yuck. |
| 20:47.19 | jonz | prahal well when i booted FC3 it booted up OK but then coudln't find the install CD...apparently it's a known issue among other problems with fedora |
| 20:47.23 | plugster | greycat: but i can't countine |
| 20:47.29 | prahal | well so another query ... is there a way to use qemu to test kernels with an empty hd image ? |
| 20:47.32 | thingfish | yay for house music, I like progressive house, progressive trance... |
| 20:47.33 | nagual | dvs: /dev/sd<something>? |
| 20:47.33 | stew | jonz: it will work just fine with d-i |
| 20:47.35 | jonz | the main reason i'm switching is because i have a dozen boxes here and none of them will reboot without a keyboard attached using fedora |
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| 20:47.45 | Danar | it used to display in konq, but i changed my default to firefox, and now it's not displaying |
| 20:47.48 | jonz | but lack of usb install from fc3 also pissed me off |
| 20:47.48 | greycat | plugster: man apt.conf, compare yours vs. the man page, fix whatever's wrong. |
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| 20:47.53 | dvs | nagual: Something like that. There should be something in the /var/log/messages file |
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| 20:48.03 | prahal | jonz: ok you are right this is an installer problem |
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| 20:48.08 | Danar | anyone know how to get it to work right? |
| 20:48.10 | stew | jonz: are you sure the not rebooting without a keyboard is a fedora problem and not a bios problem? |
| 20:48.20 | jonz | stew yup freebsd reboots just fine |
| 20:48.30 | jonz | i've tinkered with every BIOS setting imaginable |
| 20:48.31 | streuner | thingfish: what's the difference between Rap and Hip-Hop? |
| 20:48.36 | jonz | booted the kernel with no ACPI, no APIC, etc |
| 20:48.43 | plugster | greycat: there is no man page for apt.conf |
| 20:48.43 | jonz | apparently it's been a bug since FC1 |
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| 20:48.55 | thingfish | streuner: I don't know. |
| 20:48.59 | jonz | and their developers are a bit on the lazy side, not really interested in a workaround or fix |
| 20:49.32 | prahal | i just want to find out why teh debian kernel i use does not work (black screen and no error msg) ... qemu looks fine but fails at ramfs stage |
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| 20:49.59 | thingfish | streuner: I don't listen to either of those. |
| 20:50.07 | jonz | but i'm having a problem getting sarge though, cdimage.debian.org is apparently down or unreachable..is there a mirror anywhere for the sarge ISOs? |
| 20:50.09 | streuner | thingfish: ic |
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| 20:50.41 | nagual | dvs: it says Apr 11 21:10:50 localhost kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices, but |
| 20:50.42 | stew | !find man5/apt.conf.5.gz |
| 20:50.43 | streuner | jonz: /list #debian-boot |
| 20:50.48 | nagual | scsi0 doesnt exist in /dev |
| 20:51.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'man5/apt.conf.5.gz' (1): (/usr/share/man/man5/apt.conf.5.gz, /usr/share/man/es/man5/apt.conf.5.gz, /usr/share/man/fr/man5/apt.conf.5.gz) in base/apt. |
| 20:51.02 | dvs | nagual: There must be more messages than that. |
| 20:51.04 | stew | plugster: ^^^ |
| 20:51.06 | jonz | er, nothing |
| 20:51.16 | nagual | dvs: yea, two more, but they all refer to scsi0 |
| 20:51.21 | streuner | jonz: just join the channel and look at the topic |
| 20:51.25 | jonz | doh |
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| 20:51.44 | jonz | yeah i'm on that page |
| 20:51.47 | Danar | can i get a little help please? i'm trying to upgrade a bunch of stuff, and i'm getting this: "apt-listchanges: Do you want to continue? [Y/n]?" but it's not displaying the changes like it should |
| 20:51.52 | jonz | none of the links appear tobe responding |
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| 20:52.16 | dvs | nagual: Do you have the sd_mod and usb_storage kernel modules loaded? |
| 20:53.00 | Schiz0 | Hm, I still can't get my usb drive working either. |
| 20:53.05 | nagual | dvs: i seem to be lacking sd_mod |
| 20:53.15 | Schiz0 | i have all the modules installed. |
| 20:53.19 | dvs | nagual: Try "modprobe sd_mod" as root |
| 20:53.20 | humbolt | LAM Antivirus (DFSG-free) what does the DFSG mean |
| 20:53.24 | jonz | is anyone else able to reach cdimage.debian.org? or is it just me |
| 20:53.29 | valdyn_ | jonz: true, cdimage.debian.org seems to be broken atm |
| 20:53.38 | Schiz0 | works fine with me jonz :-\ |
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| 20:53.42 | jonz | k, i'll just try later, i take it there's nowhere else to get 'em |
| 20:53.46 | davem | humbolt: Debian Free Software Guidelines |
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| 20:54.01 | Schiz0 | nevermind its down |
| 20:54.04 | nagual | dvs: yea, i did, its not there though, but ill have to move kernelsources etc onto that machine ( i compiled it somehwere else) thank you very much for your help, my pillow is shouting now, good night to you. |
| 20:54.07 | valdyn_ | jonz: i wouldnt know where at least |
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| 20:54.21 | dvs | nagual: Good night |
| 20:54.27 | bnoji | Any recommendations on a T1 provider? |
| 20:54.38 | bnoji | I need to have a line installed by May 15. |
| 20:54.42 | Danar | anyone? |
| 20:54.48 | Schiz0 | hm, what are the speeds on a t1? |
| 20:54.58 | Schiz0 | what Danar? |
| 20:55.01 | BadMan | double a high dsl... |
| 20:55.03 | rrt | I have sarge installed on a presario900 laptop and want to add a wireless card so when I travel I can connect to wireless networks. What are compatible cards or will they all work? |
| 20:55.17 | davem | t1 is 1.5mbit |
| 20:55.18 | prahal | valdyn_: are there official mirrors ? |
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| 20:55.21 | Danar | Schiz0: er, i posted it twice.. don't want to spam |
| 20:55.34 | Danar | last time was at 16:51 |
| 20:55.43 | valdyn_ | prahal: for what? |
| 20:55.59 | prahal | for cdimage |
| 20:56.00 | Schiz0 | you running apt-get upgrade, and thats comming up? |
| 20:56.06 | valdyn_ | prahal: i dont know |
| 20:56.14 | Danar | Schiz0: indirectly, yes. i'm using synaptic |
| 20:56.16 | BadMan | rrt: my 3com works fine mdl 3crwe747a or 3crwe737a |
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| 20:56.27 | valdyn_ | prahal: however d-i itself is not "official" since its not part of any debian "stable" release |
| 20:56.27 | humbolt | Is there anything like cpanel under GPL? |
| 20:56.28 | Schiz0 | hm, well i dunno synaptic. |
| 20:56.37 | Danar | Schiz0: it's just a front end to apt-get |
| 20:56.46 | rrt | BadMan: did it work out of the box or do you have to add drivers etc? |
| 20:56.47 | Danar | and other apt tools |
| 20:56.50 | BadMan | rrt: least it works fine with knoppix, dont have a stead fast debian laptop as of yet. |
| 20:56.50 | directhex | rrt, depends on the chipset in use. wireless cards can use any of about 20 chipsets, some can work better than others |
| 20:57.03 | BadMan | knoppix detected it no problem |
| 20:57.13 | Schiz0 | I figured that much, its probally something with that, not apt-get, try running apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade |
| 20:57.15 | Schiz0 | see if it'll work |
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| 20:57.27 | davem | rrt: prism2 cards work well |
| 20:57.29 | Danar | Schiz0: i don't want to upgrade everything |
| 20:57.35 | Schiz0 | ah |
| 20:57.35 | stew | Danar: more correctly apt-get and synaptic are both frontends to libapt. did you check the bts? |
| 20:57.36 | rrt | directhex: if i take the laptop to bestbuy i could try it right there ;) |
| 20:57.47 | Danar | stew: er, 'bts'? |
| 20:57.59 | stew | Danar: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 20:58.14 | BadMan | !bot abuse |
| 20:58.21 | stew | Danar: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:58.32 | humbolt | davem: Do you know, is clamav comparable to a commercial virus scanner? |
| 20:58.33 | jonz | stew, actually not a firewall by the way. i'm building an appliance; i think sata would be the only reason i'd need 2.6, so as long as sarge is stable enough to use for that should be OK |
| 20:58.37 | Danar | stew: testing-ish |
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| 20:58.54 | stew | Danar: what do you mean by -ish? |
| 20:59.08 | Danar | stew: mixed |
| 20:59.10 | valdyn_ | jonz: its up now |
| 20:59.14 | jonz | ah cool |
| 20:59.14 | stew | Danar: mixed with what? |
| 20:59.24 | Danar | stable/unstable |
| 20:59.35 | Danar | mostly testing/unstable |
| 20:59.39 | stew | Danar: you cannot mix stable and testing/unstable |
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| 20:59.47 | stew | !tell Danar about bobbitt |
| 20:59.54 | jonz | wow 14 discs huh |
| 21:00.01 | jonz | i think i'll just use the first one ;) |
| 21:00.04 | Danar | stew: sure you can. just force version |
| 21:00.07 | BadMan | 1bobbitt |
| 21:00.09 | BadMan | arg |
| 21:00.12 | BadMan | !bobbitt |
| 21:00.12 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 21:00.41 | humbolt | my testing packages suddenly do not show up with the priority set in preferences file anymore. any suggestions? |
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| 21:00.51 | stew | Danar: its a very bad idea. and not supported, so don't bother with the bts |
| 21:00.54 | Danar | some packages are too far behind, so i upgrade |
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| 21:01.05 | humbolt | can that be the result of unavailable respositorys? |
| 21:01.18 | cire | is it possible to list the content (files & dirs) of a samba share without mounting it? (with greppable output). Is there a commandline tool like smbclient or smbtree... ? |
| 21:01.19 | Danar | i tend to upgrade mainly stuff that needs it and won't affect the system |
| 21:01.21 | humbolt | such as kalyxo, which seems to be unavailable for weeks now |
| 21:01.29 | Danar | like firefox, for example |
| 21:01.31 | pipeline | cire: smbclient |
| 21:01.39 | stew | Danar: you need to upgrade completely to testing, you can't mix woody and sarge |
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| 21:02.07 | Phated | Or unstable. |
| 21:02.09 | Danar | stew: well, i set testing as my default in synaptic |
| 21:02.21 | Danar | i'm probably all testing by now |
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| 21:02.45 | prahal | valdyn_: nevermind i found http://cdelfosse.free.fr/fr/Logiciel/ . using debootstrap with qemu looks smarter than isntalling via d-i (i just want to test my kernels) |
| 21:02.47 | jonz | stew, is debian's sata support pretty decent? is there much advantage to it over EIDE at this point? |
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| 21:03.00 | stew | jonz: i dunno much about sata |
| 21:03.24 | Danar | stew: but anyway, i'm more interested in getting apt-listchanges to display in my browser ATM |
| 21:03.25 | bnoji | So, where can I get a T1? |
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| 21:03.40 | bnoji | (Preferably not from a Tier 1 supplier) |
| 21:03.51 | cire | pipeline: I read the manpage og |
| 21:03.57 | cire | of smbclient |
| 21:04.04 | valdyn_ | jonz: yes, if you use a 2.6 kernel. No, but depends on what you want to do, sata supports hotplugging |
| 21:04.08 | cire | but what option do I have to use? |
| 21:04.18 | Danar | stew: can you help? |
| 21:04.19 | stew | Danar: you read /msg dpkg woody->sarge ; and do that stuff before anything else, you need to fully migrate to testing |
| 21:04.21 | jonz | Hmm well i could either run Woody + EIDE or Sarge + SATA :\ none of the drives are hotswap so i'm not sure if there's much benefit |
| 21:04.32 | stew | s/you/you should/ |
| 21:04.36 | mngrif | bnoji: phone company? |
| 21:04.38 | Danar | stew: i am in testing, just some stuff is from unstable |
| 21:04.44 | pipeline | cire: smbclient works like an ftp client |
| 21:04.48 | stew | Danar: you ran dist-upgrade? |
| 21:04.57 | Danar | stew: i don't think i have anything left from woody. i've had my default be testing for months now |
| 21:05.09 | mngrif | jonz: SATA is by far faster than any of the IDE's out there... |
| 21:05.19 | cire | pipeline: I want to call it within a perl script, and get the output to use the directory content in my script... |
| 21:05.21 | bnoji | mngrif: The phone companys rates on T's sucks. |
| 21:05.23 | valdyn_ | mngrif: that is bullshit |
| 21:05.25 | davem | mngrif: Why? |
| 21:05.35 | Danar | actually, yeah, i know i can't. yes i've upgraded to testing. now can we get past this please? |
| 21:05.38 | Danar | it's not really relevant |
| 21:05.53 | pipeline | cire: That's what "expect" is for |
| 21:05.56 | stew | Danar: how did you upgrade to testing? |
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| 21:06.08 | Danar | stew: via synaptic |
| 21:06.12 | cire | expect? |
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| 21:06.18 | NyteOwl | bnoj did you try googling for "T1 provider" |
| 21:06.30 | bnoji | NyteOwl : yeah |
| 21:06.39 | NyteOwl | T1 rates here are ridiculous. |
| 21:06.42 | Danar | stew: i clicked the 'smart upgrade' button after setting the default version to testing |
| 21:06.52 | Danar | so it would figure out dependencies |
| 21:06.54 | bnoji | Rediculously low or high? |
| 21:06.54 | mngrif | bnoji: didn't say they would be cheap.. where i'm at they charge almost $600/month for a T1 link.. |
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| 21:07.08 | NyteOwl | mngrif that's cheap compared to here :) |
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| 21:07.22 | bnoji | mngrif: Yeah, its $459 right now for a full T, $299 for a 384 |
| 21:07.33 | Danar | stew: and i really don't think it's as important as you're making it out to be |
| 21:07.35 | NyteOwl | wow, let me att em |
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| 21:07.37 | NyteOwl | heh |
| 21:07.41 | plugster | grrr, now i got Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) what does that mean? |
| 21:07.44 | mngrif | NyteOwl: still not worth it... dual 7mbit XDSLs from the same company is about $300/month, and you get ~10x the bandwidth |
| 21:07.52 | aeacus | | libapache-mod-php4: Depends: libmm11 but it is not installable |
| 21:08.05 | NyteOwl | here it's $1k installed, fully provisioned it's over $2k/month |
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| 21:08.27 | Mr_Smoke | admn isdn |
| 21:08.28 | drac | aeacus: apt-get update |
| 21:08.35 | Mr_Smoke | i mean *damn |
| 21:08.35 | aeacus | has anyone seen libmm11 before under sarge? i cant install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 21:08.38 | aeacus | drac, i did |
| 21:08.43 | mngrif | aside from latency, i just don't see the point behind paying that kind of cash for a T1 |
| 21:08.47 | NyteOwl | mngrif no xdsl here. crappy telco has already cut residential back from 7 to 1.5mbps |
| 21:08.53 | Danar | [...] |
| 21:09.04 | aeacus | drac, i've even tried a couple different mirrors, to see if it was a specific mirror problem |
| 21:09.14 | bnoji | mngrif: Latency is my big issue. |
| 21:09.16 | chadmichael | i need to know how to get a X session as root in debian |
| 21:09.18 | mngrif | NyteOwl: xdsl isn't offered to the public, i just so happen to know a telco employee that can make the right calls for me |
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| 21:09.30 | Schiz0 | chadmichael- why do you need that? |
| 21:09.35 | bnoji | I have VoIP links to Hong Kong and Shanghai. I can't afford residential DSL's latency |
| 21:09.44 | mngrif | bnoji: 64 bytes from 216.239.37.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=242 time=37.3 ms < - google.com |
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| 21:09.59 | chadmichael | mostly just curions actually |
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| 21:10.06 | NyteOwl | mngrif we had 7/1.5 here before as a standard offering till the telco decided it wasn't making enough money |
| 21:10.10 | mngrif | 2mbit/1mbit ADSL |
| 21:10.29 | davem | 45mb college connection :) |
| 21:10.33 | mngrif | leet |
| 21:10.40 | bnoji | mngrif: That changes throughout the day though. |
| 21:10.43 | pipeline | 5M / 0.3M :( |
| 21:10.49 | aeacus | i also have other machines that can install libapache-mod-php4 just fine. any ideas? i'm about to just reinstall eveyrhting from scratch |
| 21:10.54 | mngrif | bnoji: it's 5PM for me... peak time |
| 21:11.16 | mngrif | also i'm about 30 yards from the remote office, so that probably has more to play in the latency than anything |
| 21:11.17 | drac | aeacus: that's libmm13, and libapache-mod-php4 doesn't depend on libmm11 or libmm13, so you are trying to install libapache-mod-php4 from somewhere else.. not the sarge libapache-mod-php4 |
| 21:11.25 | bnoji | mngrif: I get sub-20ms pings all day, but around 5-8pm it goes to around 35-45ms |
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| 21:11.36 | stew | aeacus: do you have non-debian sources in your sources.list? |
| 21:11.37 | drac | aeacus: something extra on your sources.list? |
| 21:12.16 | stew | aeacus: what does apt-cache policy libapache-mod-php4 say for candidate? |
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| 21:14.06 | aeacus | stew, ahh, its looking for something on dotdeb.org |
| 21:14.24 | aeacus | stew: i'll try it without that in my sources |
| 21:14.30 | aeacus | stew: thanks |
| 21:14.32 | aeacus | drac: thanks |
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| 21:14.58 | Danar | stew: so you're not going to help then? |
| 21:15.15 | aeacus | "SUCCESS |
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| 21:16.47 | cire | I just don't get iot work... "smbclient -L host" works, but this only shows me the shares. I now want to access one share and print the content (files) to stdout. Could someone give me the syntax to do this? |
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| 21:17.22 | NyteOwl | I think if I ever won a lottery I think I'd get them to put in an OC3 :) |
| 21:18.01 | Schiz0 | cire- try smbclient --help maybe? |
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| 21:18.57 | mxn | Hi. Does anyone here use GMail as a smarthost for Exim? |
| 21:18.59 | Chrissy2k5 | hey how can i find a list of all the user accounts ? |
| 21:19.05 | Refu | hola |
| 21:19.09 | stew | Chrissy2k5: getent passwd |
| 21:19.10 | Refu | algun argentino?? |
| 21:19.16 | Refu | que?? |
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| 21:19.21 | cire | Schiz0: I just read the manpage, but I cannot find the solution. It should be simple, but I wrote too long on my script, perhaps ;) |
| 21:19.24 | Chrissy2k5 | w00 thats a lot of users damn it |
| 21:19.26 | Refu | mm creo que me equivoque |
| 21:19.27 | Refu | XD |
| 21:19.28 | Refu | XD |
| 21:19.30 | Refu | ejjeje |
| 21:19.31 | Refu | jeeje |
| 21:19.32 | Refu | jeje |
| 21:19.35 | mxn | Hmm. |
| 21:19.37 | Refu | holaaaaa |
| 21:19.37 | Danar | is there a way i can configure synaptic to use apt-listchanges differently? like dislpaying text in the console instead of sending it to a browser? |
| 21:19.41 | Chrissy2k5 | Refu stop with the flooding you GHEY! |
| 21:19.42 | mxn | #debian-es ? |
| 21:19.48 | Refu | ok |
| 21:19.50 | Refu | thaks |
| 21:19.53 | Chrissy2k5 | :) o Problem |
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| 21:21.46 | elPepo | hi friends |
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| 21:23.55 | marsje | what command do I use to check if a certain package is installed? |
| 21:24.06 | stew | marsje: dpkg -l pkgname |
| 21:24.14 | streuner | !lart stew |
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| 21:24.20 | streuner | You beat me! |
| 21:24.28 | stew | !beat streuner |
| 21:24.31 | marsje | thanks |
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| 21:27.08 | brosio | anyone have try fancontrol ? is a program of lm-sensor |
| 21:27.12 | humbolt | is there a way to interrupt an interrupted apt-get? so I do not have to finish the whole thing with apt-get -f install but just the one package it stopped? |
| 21:27.34 | JRWR | i need the Kernel Headers for Debian (_SARGE_) GNU/Linux 2.6.9-2-686 |
| 21:27.44 | streuner | JRWR: there aren't any |
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| 21:27.54 | JRWR | i need the Kernel Headers for Debian (_SARGE_) GNU/Linux 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:28.01 | streuner | JRWR: there is a 2.6.8 kernel in sarge, AFAIK |
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| 21:28.13 | JRWR | i misstype the 8 with a 9 |
| 21:28.20 | FarrisG | What's the deal with famd eating up 100% of CPU out of the blue sometimes? |
| 21:28.21 | streuner | JRWR: apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
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| 21:28.23 | |Virtual| | JRWR: apt-get install kernel-hearders-2.6.8-2 |
| 21:28.35 | JRWR | apt-get install kernel-hearders-2.6.8-2 Failed |
| 21:28.36 | streuner | FarrisG: look at BTS |
| 21:28.38 | |Virtual| | JRWR: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 21:28.40 | |Virtual| | sorry |
| 21:28.43 | |Virtual| | I misstyped |
| 21:28.45 | FarrisG | streuner: BTS? |
| 21:28.51 | JRWR | apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 21:28.53 | JRWR | Failed |
| 21:28.55 | streuner | !tell FarrisG about BTS |
| 21:29.12 | FarrisG | doh |
| 21:29.16 | FarrisG | streuner: thanks |
| 21:29.22 | JRWR | im trying to get my Winmodem installed |
| 21:29.36 | Virtual | JRWR: |
| 21:29.37 | Virtual | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 is already the newest version. |
| 21:29.38 | Virtual | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 21:29.38 | Virtual | Virtual:~# |
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| 21:29.52 | stew | JRWR: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:29.59 | Virtual | anyway, apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 works |
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| 21:30.11 | JRWR | i dont have internet on Debian |
| 21:30.15 | Virtual | you want to install winmodem on linux ? |
| 21:30.22 | JRWR | yep |
| 21:30.28 | streuner | JRWR: buy another modem |
| 21:30.31 | JRWR | i need to compile it |
| 21:30.35 | JRWR | <-- poor |
| 21:30.36 | streuner | JRWR: some external |
| 21:30.39 | stew | JRWR: then downlaod it from http://packages.debian.org/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:30.43 | streuner | they are cheap, second hand |
| 21:30.50 | JRWR | cant find any |
| 21:30.55 | JRWR | there all software modems |
| 21:31.07 | streuner | software modems? |
| 21:31.12 | JRWR | Winmodems |
| 21:31.16 | streuner | any external modem would work |
| 21:31.22 | JRWR | they dont have any |
| 21:31.26 | Virtual | winmodems I don`t think work on linux |
| 21:31.27 | streuner | you have only with winmodems such problems |
| 21:31.29 | Virtual | maybe i`m mistaking |
| 21:31.39 | InitMass | should i believe what torsmo or top show about how much memory is used? |
| 21:31.45 | stew | streuner: i'll bet i can find an external usb modem that wouldn't work ;) |
| 21:32.04 | streuner | stew: or that :-) |
| 21:32.28 | streuner | InitMass: top shows you sometimes some crap |
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| 21:32.43 | streuner | InitMass: use 'free' |
| 21:33.06 | InitMass | streuner, but free doesn't show the same as torsmo either |
| 21:33.24 | InitMass | streuner, i can give you an example. just a sec |
| 21:33.29 | streuner | no |
| 21:33.34 | streuner | don't flood the channel |
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| 21:34.41 | cafuego | I wonder if those noobs would get worried if they saw 'free' report 1.17GB of ram used as cache |
| 21:34.46 | streuner | InitMass: two lines - not more |
| 21:35.08 | InitMass | streuner, free says that i'm using 725468 and that 50684 is free. torsmo says that 401 mb is used |
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| 21:35.55 | InitMass | streuner, that was more than two lines maybe but i hope you can handle it ;) |
| 21:36.20 | streuner | InitMass: well, i doubt that debhelper would handle it ... ;-) |
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| 21:37.04 | cafuego | InitMass: I'd believe free. |
| 21:37.05 | stew | InitMass: how much of the 725468 is cached? does used - cached == 401mb? |
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| 21:38.35 | rrt | anyone know what protocol needs to be permitted in guarddog to allow streaming from pls file? |
| 21:39.06 | InitMass | stew, i think that's correct yes. |
| 21:39.21 | InitMass | streuner, cafuego ^^ |
| 21:39.33 | rrt | xmms loads buffer etc, then closes. worked fine before guarddog was installed. |
| 21:39.45 | InitMass | used-cached give me the right value |
| 21:39.50 | stew | InitMass: /msg dpkg free memory |
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| 21:41.07 | InitMass | stew, but doesn't it take time for linux to "release" the ram if there are already cached material on it? |
| 21:41.18 | green_earz | rrt: is net radio that you want to play ?, if so have a look at streamtuner |
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| 21:41.42 | stew | InitMass: i'd guess almost none |
| 21:41.59 | rrt | yes net radio. loads mpg64.pls |
| 21:42.08 | cafuego | InitMass: Hardly any, in most cases the cache is already on disk as well; it's justt hat if it's kept in ram it can be re-accessed much quicker. |
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| 21:42.20 | InitMass | stew, it's good to have torsmo then. it shows how much is occupied |
| 21:42.46 | cafuego | onless all your cache is dirty pages, in that case it'll take a while to flush to disk |
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| 21:43.35 | cafuego | InitMass: At the end of the day, the way the system is currently set up gives you better performance than no cache and immediate access to free ram, though. |
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| 21:43.42 | InitMass | cafuego, but i can see that 5mb of the swap is used even if the USED ram isn't full yet |
| 21:44.07 | cafuego | InitMass: Yes, that is probably some application that hasn't done anything for the past 6 hours. |
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| 21:44.17 | cafuego | InitMass: They get dumped to swap |
| 21:44.55 | cafuego | InitMass: That means that IF ram is needed as file cache, you won't be waiting for idle applications to get swapped out. |
| 21:45.12 | cafuego | InitMass: That *still* adds to better over-all performance. |
| 21:45.41 | InitMass | cafuego, that's interesting |
| 21:45.44 | InitMass | good to know |
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| 21:46.43 | cafuego | For instance the server I'm on has 120Mb of swap in use, 27 Mb of free ram (and using 412Mb as cache) |
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| 21:47.09 | Tester | is there anyway at all to make rdesktop full screen? |
| 21:47.18 | Tester | other than changing your desktop res |
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| 21:47.33 | directhex | yes. man rdesktop |
| 21:47.47 | Tester | ok |
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| 21:48.16 | directhex | look at -f for fullscreen, or -g FOOxBAR for a window of specified size |
| 21:48.20 | Mr_Smoke | bloody ISDN ... old style I4L has all sorts of problems, and newstyle mISDN doesn't support my card : yay :/ |
| 21:48.20 | Rawplayer | lo GoD_SPeeD |
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| 21:48.28 | Rawplayer | GoD_SPeeD: ?:P |
| 21:48.33 | Tester | can you get it out of fullscreen? |
| 21:48.42 | directhex | and -a BAZ for changing color depth |
| 21:48.48 | InitMass | cafuego, have you ever tried eclipse? |
| 21:48.48 | directhex | once it's fullscreen? don't think so |
| 21:48.55 | GoD_SPeeD | sorry Rawplayer |
| 21:48.55 | Tester | ah |
| 21:48.58 | GoD_SPeeD | testing my ident |
| 21:48.58 | Tester | alright, thanks |
| 21:48.59 | GoD_SPeeD | :p |
| 21:49.05 | Rawplayer | GoD_SPeeD: check je priv :p |
| 21:49.06 | Mr_Smoke | GoD_SPeeD, IDW ... |
| 21:50.22 | cafuego | InitMass: No idea what it even is |
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| 21:51.02 | davFr | hi! |
| 21:51.44 | Rawplayer | hi |
| 21:51.49 | InitMass | cafuego, hehe ok |
| 21:52.10 | Mr_Smoke | why oh why does it HAVE to be CLI just to dial the damn ISDN line to the provider :( |
| 21:52.17 | Mr_Smoke | *sigh* |
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| 21:52.50 | Valdez | anyone running jboss on debian here? |
| 21:52.54 | cafuego | Mr_Smoke: Because a GUI adds a layer of fail-prone shit software? |
| 21:53.00 | Mr_Smoke | GoD_SPeeD, what identd are you running over there ? |
| 21:53.07 | Pred1 | how can i see/change the priority of a running process with nice? |
| 21:53.11 | InitMass | cafuego, it seems very calm in the channel today |
| 21:53.21 | cafuego | Pred1: 'ps' and 'renice' |
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| 21:53.40 | cafuego | InitMass: Well, it's still early |
| 21:53.41 | MobyTurbo | Mr_Smoke: use diald to automatically dial your ISDN line when you need network traffic. |
| 21:53.51 | InitMass | cafuego, or is it because many other debain based distros have taken some of the users from here? |
| 21:54.04 | Mr_Smoke | cafuego, hehe :) I'd agree in most cases where sensitive setup is involved, but in something as "simple" as calling your isp, it would do no harm... Don't misunderstand me : i'd just like a dial/hangup button, but i think isdnbutton would do :) |
| 21:54.10 | davFr | question : i run Sarge, howto upgrade my kernel to unstable version? |
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| 21:54.19 | cafuego | InitMass: Nah, there's over 750 users, they're just asleep or busy |
| 21:54.28 | cafuego | davFr: Answer: don't |
| 21:54.38 | InitMass | cafuego, i see |
| 21:54.42 | Mr_Smoke | MobyTurbo, give the price of ISDN over there, that's not an economically viable solution, unfortunately ... besides, sarge (testing) isdnutils packages still mess with udev a lot |
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| 21:54.54 | abel | hi all |
| 21:54.56 | davFr | cafuego : current testing kernel does not have support for my sound chip :/ |
| 21:55.10 | cafuego | davFr: Have you verified the unstable one does? |
| 21:55.11 | resiak | davFr: What sound chip? |
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| 21:55.17 | Mr_Smoke | davFr, which one is that ? |
| 21:55.18 | resiak | !tell davFr -about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 21:55.32 | MobyTurbo | whoever invented devfs and udev are up against the wall when the revolution comes |
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| 21:56.07 | davFr | resiak : 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0059 (rev a2) |
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| 21:56.24 | directhex | davFr, what does uname -r report? |
| 21:56.26 | davFr | resiak : integrated in the nForece 4 chip |
| 21:56.37 | directhex | oh right. just need an up to date i810_audio |
| 21:56.46 | abel | i'm in trouble , i try to reinstall libgtk1-2 and whatever i do my puter freeze dpkg -i libgtk --> freeze dpkg -r libgtk --> freeze etc ... is there any way for me to do the job manualy ... i have allready exctract the content of the .deb file in a directory... |
| 21:56.47 | directhex | quick sid/sarge mix, kernel-image-2.6.11 |
| 21:56.54 | directhex | -9-amd64-k8 |
| 21:57.00 | davFr | directhex : 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:57.33 | streuner | abel: /j #flood |
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| 21:57.37 | vladster | I am having trouble mounting a usb drive as a user, would some be so kind as to assist me on this please? |
| 21:57.39 | Mr_Smoke | MobyTurbo, well, udev is still enabled by default in sarge though |
| 21:57.47 | Mr_Smoke | vladster, try pmount |
| 21:58.06 | abel | streuner ??? |
| 21:58.06 | directhex | hold on, no 2.6.11 for k8 yet |
| 21:58.07 | resiak | !tell vladster -about vfatrw |
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| 21:58.15 | directhex | !info kernel-image-2.6.10-9-amd64-k8 |
| 21:58.15 | resiak | No 2.6.11 images last time I looked. |
| 21:58.18 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.10-9-amd64-k8: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on AMD64 systems), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-5 (sid), Packaged size: 13677 kB, Installed size: 46548 kB |
| 21:58.25 | streuner | abel: show us what you get in #flood |
| 21:58.26 | directhex | !info kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 21:58.29 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-2 (sid), Packaged size: 15571 kB, Installed size: 45768 kB |
| 21:58.36 | vladster | denied |
| 21:58.38 | resiak | directhex: That's new of literally the last few days. |
| 21:58.40 | MobyTurbo | Mr_Smoke: I run Sarge, but I think not udev. (Of course, if you install GNOME you install udev) |
| 21:58.54 | resiak | MobyTurbo: You can run bits of gnome without udev. |
| 21:58.57 | davFr | resiak : amd64-k8 kernel will work for me, but I have an issue with XFree86 |
| 21:58.59 | abel | streuner : i get a freeze |
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| 21:59.07 | abel | streuner : hard to past it |
| 21:59.13 | plugster | can u remove prg from the apt-get install list? i mean i try to install mysql4.1 and it wil install for example apache, but i'm then affraid all my config will disapear... |
| 21:59.17 | MobyTurbo | bbiab |
| 21:59.21 | Mr_Smoke | MobyTurbo, ah, that must be it then : indeed, gnome is installed. But still, diald is not an option. |
| 21:59.42 | streuner | abel: you are talking crap, without any errors how we can help you? |
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| 21:59.45 | abel | streuner : my putter don't move neither my mouse and i must reboot . nothing more nothing less |
| 22:00.00 | streuner | abel: reboot then |
| 22:00.19 | Pred1 | cafuego: renice can only chane but not show the priority (according to the man) |
| 22:00.21 | resiak | plugster: What are you on about? |
| 22:00.38 | abel | streuner : lol i reboot trying to doing thing since 2 hours. a bit tired of that |
| 22:01.07 | plugster | resiak: sorry for asking... |
| 22:01.10 | abel | streuner i just wana now if i can use the .deb file i have uncompress to manually do the equivalent of a dpkg -i |
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| 22:01.44 | streuner | abel: in order you want a debian system you _HAVE_ to use dpkg |
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| 22:01.52 | resiak | plugster: I don't know what you're saying. You're worried of losing your configuration of packages that aren't installed? |
| 22:01.56 | bluefox83 | is there a quick way to create a document listing the contents of a directory? |
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| 22:02.09 | streuner | abel: otherwise it isn't debian then... |
| 22:02.11 | directhex | bluefox83, ls /foo/bar > baz.txt ? |
| 22:02.30 | bluefox83 | directhex, really? that easy? |
| 22:02.35 | Gh0sty | lol |
| 22:02.50 | Gh0sty | that goes way back to the dos ages |
| 22:03.00 | bluefox83 | that's nifty :) |
| 22:03.01 | Gh0sty | even windows can do it like that (well not ls) |
| 22:03.24 | abel | streuner ok so i try a new dpkg -r libgtk1.2 and told u what i see... |
| 22:03.33 | jharrison | howdy |
| 22:03.34 | plugster | resiak: no they are installed... i want to upgrade to mysql4.1, but when i run apt-get, i got an list on 32 programs that it want to upgrade, included are apache, and i'm afraid of loosing those settings, and that i'm not enable to start the server again... |
| 22:03.36 | DaCa | bluefox83: welcome to the commandline :) |
| 22:03.46 | streuner | abel: show us the output, we can help then |
| 22:04.22 | Gh0sty | plugster: try mysql4.1-common or something |
| 22:04.33 | Gh0sty | that doesn't have all the dependencies you don't need |
| 22:04.38 | streuner | abel: maybe a bug in the script which is responsible to remove that package |
| 22:04.39 | Gh0sty | (if that exists for mysql) |
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| 22:05.20 | resiak | plugster: You don't lose your configuration files when you upgrade a package. If a new version of the configuration file is in the new package, you'll be asked what you want to do. |
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| 22:05.49 | bluefox83 | wow..i just created a list of mp3's in about half a second O.O |
| 22:06.09 | jharrison | bluefox83: how |
| 22:06.19 | Gh0sty | :-) |
| 22:06.29 | bluefox83 | ls /d3/music/ > mp3list.txt |
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| 22:06.43 | rsff | Guys. I get this weird "status error: 0x50" for my CD Writer. But it works fine on windows. Any ideas? (I just upgrated to the latest Debian 2.6 kernel-image on testing.) |
| 22:06.43 | abel | the result is on http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=37206 |
| 22:06.44 | bluefox83 | it spit the list out in less than a second O.O |
| 22:07.15 | jharrison | ah |
| 22:08.00 | bluefox83 | you folks know of any really good dvd ripping and encoding software? |
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| 22:08.23 | jharrison | k3b? |
| 22:08.24 | streuner | abel: that look really nasty |
| 22:08.27 | resiak | bluefox83: apt-cache search dvd ri |
| 22:08.28 | directhex | bluefox83, dvd::rip or vobcopy to get vobs from disc, avidemux to encode as something else |
| 22:08.29 | resiak | bluefox83: apt-cache search dvd rip |
| 22:08.53 | bluefox83 | whats vobs? |
| 22:09.03 | plugster | resiak: ok... the mysql.4-1 common package when fine, but do i not need the server as well? |
| 22:09.12 | streuner | abel: its easier to shoot youself in the foot |
| 22:09.16 | mwilson | bluefox83: You're a pirate, and you don't know what a VOB is? |
| 22:09.22 | directhex | RIFF-encapsulated MPEG2 files, i.e. dvd video data files |
| 22:09.28 | streuner | abel: why in hell do you want to remove that package at all? |
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| 22:09.34 | resiak | plugster: I'm still confused. You're running apt-get upgrade ? |
| 22:09.35 | marsje | anyone care to chat is this does anything? telnet mrcl.xs4all.nl 25 |
| 22:09.42 | Gh0sty | bluefox83 even better try ls -hs > foobar.txt |
| 22:09.51 | marsje | my mailserver seems to refuse connections from the outside... |
| 22:09.54 | bluefox83 | mwilson, i'm not a pirate! i want to convert my dvd's to avi so i can store my dvds away and not have to look for them when i want to watch a movie! |
| 22:09.56 | plugster | resiak: no apt-get install |
| 22:10.00 | resiak | abel: Why not apt-get remove libgtk1.2 |
| 22:10.20 | abel | streuner : i try to install mplayer. and i have compile error link to libgtk1.2 |
| 22:10.29 | resiak | plugster: I still fail to see the problem. No config files are going to be changed... ...and apt will install what you need. |
| 22:10.34 | resiak | abel: From Marillat? |
| 22:10.35 | stouset | bluefox83: they're already mpeg encoded, why use avi? |
| 22:10.39 | abel | resiak maybe cause when i do that my putter freeze... |
| 22:10.45 | abel | reziak from sid |
| 22:10.56 | resiak | abel: That's .. interesting. mplayer isn't in Sid. |
| 22:11.07 | bluefox83 | stouset, avi is smaller, takes up less room |
| 22:11.10 | streuner | abel: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 22:11.14 | plugster | apt-get -t unstable install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 22:11.19 | stouset | bluefox83: not necessarily; avi doesn't specify an encoding. |
| 22:11.25 | plugster | apt-get -t unstable install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 22:11.30 | directhex | bluefox83, technically AVI is simply an encapsulation, it can use really uncompressed codecs which make huge output |
| 22:11.36 | Gh0sty | lol, i forgot a test entry in my cron, someting like date > sometxt |
| 22:11.37 | mwilson | resiak: Never has been. |
| 22:11.41 | streuner | abel: just take the deb from marillat |
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| 22:11.52 | plugster | resiak: so running apt-get -t unstable install mysql-server-4.1 will be fine then? |
| 22:11.54 | resiak | mwilson: I'm aware of that. You're talking to the wrong person. |
| 22:11.55 | streuner | abel: look at the last line in the factoid of mplayer |
| 22:11.56 | Gh0sty | just found the txt, anyone want a calendar from the past days of the year? :p |
| 22:11.58 | bluefox83 | directhex, you sure know a lot about encoding dvd's... |
| 22:12.01 | stouset | directhex: how I understand it, avi is similar to ogg in concept, no? |
| 22:12.02 | resiak | plugster: Well, as fine as installing things form unstable ever is. |
| 22:12.08 | mwilson | resiak: I think he's trying to tell you that he's compiling it. |
| 22:12.16 | resiak | mwilson: I know that ;) |
| 22:12.22 | abel | streuner factoid ? |
| 22:12.23 | resiak | !tell abel -about marillat |
| 22:12.25 | marsje | is there a firewall rule active by default on sarge that prevents access to port 25? |
| 22:12.27 | plugster | resiak: yes, but mysql4.1 is only under unstable? |
| 22:12.37 | directhex | stouset, avi encapsulatrion? yeah, since it has precisely zero features beyond a video stream & an audio stream with an index on the end |
| 22:12.38 | Tester | i tried putting 64 bit for my desktop resolution but it didn't work, what am i doing wrong? |
| 22:12.46 | idnar_ | wtf is udev creating /dev/null, /dev/zero, etc. with 0660 instead of 0666?! |
| 22:12.48 | abel | resiak what is marillat ? |
| 22:12.49 | stouset | marsje: no firewall is installed on sarge by default. A lot of ISPs block inbound or outbound port 25. |
| 22:12.52 | directhex | bluefox83, i know nothing about encoding dvds. i'm expert at ripping them, however |
| 22:12.57 | streuner | abel: /msg dpkg, ravenbird, apt (bot) mplayer, marillat (factoid) |
| 22:13.03 | resiak | abel: I JUST TOLD YOU ABOUT IT |
| 22:13.08 | bluefox83 | directhex, how do i rip one? |
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| 22:13.10 | directhex | Tester, you don't have hardware to do 64 bit color depth |
| 22:13.14 | stouset | idnar_: clearly those are sensitive system files and shouldn't be writable to by the user! |
| 22:13.15 | resiak | plugster: It's in Testing. |
| 22:13.15 | herfo | Tester: woah! 64 bit?>!?!?! where did u buy that vid card/monitor? |
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| 22:13.20 | directhex | bluefox83, with dvd::rip and avidemux, as stated already |
| 22:13.25 | DaCa | marsje: it'd rather be your ISP who is blocking 25 out, except to its own smtp server |
| 22:13.37 | bluefox83 | directhex, i have had problems getting dvd::rip working.. |
| 22:13.45 | resiak | streuner: You should pay more attention. I yell a lot. |
| 22:13.46 | directhex | bluefox83, so use vobcopy instead |
| 22:14.00 | streuner | resiak: oh, i didn't notice that :-) |
| 22:14.06 | directhex | bluefox83, in either case, you need to install libdvdcss2 for off-the-shelf copy-protected discs to work |
| 22:14.20 | marsje | as far as I know, my ISP let's all traffic flow freely including port 25 |
| 22:14.20 | resiak | abel: Sorry for shouting. If you add the Marillat repositories, you can just apt-get install mplayer w32codecs |
| 22:14.22 | idnar_ | well, my system is kinda horribly broken now; I wonder if it's a local configuration thing |
| 22:14.34 | stouset | idnar_: probably :-) |
| 22:14.39 | resiak | abel: the problems you're having building it from source are probably because you don't have the gtk -dev packages installed. |
| 22:14.46 | resiak | streuner: Heh. |
| 22:14.50 | abel | resiak u just told me to take the .deb from marillat but i don't know what marillat is |
| 22:14.52 | Tester | hmm, ok |
| 22:14.57 | resiak | !tell abel -about marillat |
| 22:14.59 | resiak | abel: Read. |
| 22:15.02 | jethro | !marillat |
| 22:15.02 | abel | ok marilliat is a deb source |
| 22:15.02 | dpkg | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 22:15.08 | Mr_Smoke | abel, first, marilla is a *person*. Second, read up. |
| 22:15.09 | idnar_ | stouset: thing is, I can't see anything wrong with my configuration, and the only thing I've done is upgrade udev; on the other hand, I don't see any bug reports... |
| 22:15.16 | plugster | resiak: ok, i understand. can u run an upgrade instead or is install the same? |
| 22:15.26 | streuner | resiak: nm, just talk to him and you'll find out ;-) |
| 22:15.40 | resiak | plugster: If a package is already installed, apt-get install pkg will get the latest version. |
| 22:15.40 | abel | thanks dpkg |
| 22:15.40 | dpkg | my pleasure, abel |
| 22:15.43 | stouset | idnar_: I just upgraded a few minutes ago. Not seeing any permission problems with udev. |
| 22:15.45 | resiak | XD |
| 22:15.53 | jethro | heh |
| 22:15.55 | resiak | streuner: Heh. |
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| 22:16.01 | idnar_ | stouset: well, have you rebooted / otherwise rebuilt /dev with the new udev yet? |
| 22:16.12 | stouset | idnar_: Aye. |
| 22:16.35 | idnar_ | stouset: hrm, I wonder how I managed to break it. the permissions in the config files all look fine |
| 22:16.48 | stouset | idnar_: I *remember* something similar happening, but I can't remember what my solution was. I think it was a side effect of me having fucked up my /etc/passwd file, actually. |
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| 22:17.26 | stouset | idnar_: cat udev.permissions | egrep "(random|null|zero)" |
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| 22:17.56 | idnar_ | stouset: they're all fine |
| 22:18.11 | idnar_ | stouset: but I think I've broken the scripts somehow; every device node is root:root, and some of those should be audio etc. |
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| 22:18.18 | resiak | stouset: udev.permissions? udev.rules, no? |
| 22:19.00 | marsje | problem solved: I added a NAT entry in my router a few days ago, but it doesn't become active until I press the "Save All" button.... duh! |
| 22:19.16 | marsje | took me days.. |
| 22:19.57 | idnar_ | hrm. |
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| 22:20.33 | idnar_ | it looks like permissions.d has gone away |
| 22:21.05 | idnar_ | 'spose I should have paid more attention to the changelog etc. |
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| 22:22.41 | ryan_ | hmm |
| 22:23.23 | ryan_ | Is it just me, or does $4437/mo sound too good to be true for a DS3? |
| 22:23.32 | directhex | idnar, is this sarge or sid's udev? |
| 22:23.40 | FrFluffyBottom | Hey all, I've got a new box that I wanna primarily run as a http server. I want Apache 2 on it; do you reckon it's 'safe' to go with Sarge for a few months until it's released or shall I stick with woody and backport? I want to eventually add webservices; anyone have any opinion on this? |
| 22:24.02 | idnar_ | directhex: sid |
| 22:24.06 | directhex | phew |
| 22:24.16 | resiak | directhex: What's wrong with Sarge's? |
| 22:24.49 | directhex | resiak, nothing more than udev normally has wrong, thankfully |
| 22:25.01 | resiak | directhex: Hell, you use the damned thing. |
| 22:25.04 | idnar_ | I just reinstalled it; my own rules file is pretty horribly out of date now |
| 22:25.41 | bluefox83 | crap >.> |
| 22:25.47 | directhex | resiak, it makes it faster to know whether foo_device is working if you can just check if it's in /dev |
| 22:25.51 | bluefox83 | cpan is stuck downloading a module =( |
| 22:25.59 | directhex | why are you using cpan? |
| 22:26.18 | bluefox83 | cus i dunno the debianised equivilent of DvD:Rip |
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| 22:26.36 | directhex | you should NEVER need to use cpan on debian. ever. |
| 22:26.39 | resiak | directhex: That's fair enough. Hell, I use it too. Go figure. |
| 22:26.45 | i386 | bluefox83, packages.debian.org |
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| 22:27.01 | directhex | bluefox83, dvd::rip is on marillat. |
| 22:27.03 | bluefox83 | i386, i shouldn't need it.. |
| 22:27.05 | directhex | !tell bluefox83 about marillat |
| 22:27.09 | bluefox83 | marillat? |
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| 22:27.26 | i386 | anyway |
| 22:27.29 | i386 | perl is lame |
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| 22:27.47 | directhex | perl is teh uberwinzar, as all the cool kids say these days |
| 22:27.48 | resiak | bluefox83: In general, for building perl modules which aren't in Debian, apt-cache show dh-make-perl |
| 22:27.52 | dabreegster | Hey, I have a couple of quick questions about screen. At startup, how can I make a statusbar for every window and how can I update it with a command? |
| 22:27.54 | WiFiTux | Is using nvidia-glx and the nvidia driver the same thing? |
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| 22:27.56 | dabreegster | Also, in my console keymap, I've mapped the Fx keys to Console_x and two other keys to Incr_Console and Last_Console. How can I do the same thing with screen? Mapping Function keys to go to different windows. |
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| 22:28.13 | JRWR | im lookinfg for a (.deb) of the Debian GNU/linux 2.6.8-2-686 Kernel Headers |
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| 22:28.44 | JRWR | i have no internet on the linux side (yet) |
| 22:28.44 | resiak | JRWR: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 not cut it? |
| 22:28.47 | directhex | JRWR, well, get them from packages.debian.org? |
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| 22:28.53 | JRWR | i cant find it |
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| 22:28.59 | WiFiTux | Is using nvidia-glx and the nvidia driver the same thing? |
| 22:28.59 | directhex | you can't find it |
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| 22:29.02 | directhex | *blinks* |
| 22:29.07 | JRWR | i can find the 2.4 |
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| 22:29.14 | JRWR | but not 2.6.8 |
| 22:29.17 | resiak | JRWR: packages.debian.org/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 22:29.21 | resiak | JRWR: Or is that too hard? |
| 22:29.21 | directhex | WiFiTux, not quite. nvidia-glx implies debian packages, as opposed to nvidia-installer |
| 22:29.35 | JRWR | i did not know it was like php.net |
| 22:29.43 | directhex | JRWR, did you even think to pick "testing" from the pull-down box for which distribution to search in? |
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| 22:29.49 | pi_ | I got a questions. |
| 22:29.51 | WiFiTux | directhex: hhmm so, but which one is better, the debian way or the nvidia-driver? |
| 22:30.03 | directhex | WiFiTux, nvidia-installer will kill your pc |
| 22:30.03 | pi_ | i just upgraded to sarge. I've got a very standard apache-ssl install |
| 22:30.12 | WiFiTux | directhex: tell me about it. |
| 22:30.15 | directhex | maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life |
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| 22:30.26 | directhex | !nvidia-installer |
| 22:30.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-howto>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 22:30.31 | WiFiTux | directhex: OK, I guess I'll follow the how-tp |
| 22:30.33 | WiFiTux | o |
| 22:30.36 | pi_ | on my old install, I was able to write php scripts that would grab the username and password from php_auth_user and php_auth_pw after the user logged in via AuthConfig |
| 22:30.38 | pi_ | but now.. |
| 22:30.43 | resiak | !tell pi_ -about enter |
| 22:30.53 | pi_ | with this new install these variables no longer get set.. and my code doesnt work. |
| 22:31.02 | pi_ | anyone know why? |
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| 22:31.29 | WiFiTux | directhex: ok, one fast question. Once nvidia-glx and source is installed, do I have to use nvidia as the driver in XF86config or not? |
| 22:32.24 | directhex | WiFiTux, if you want acceleration, yes. |
| 22:32.54 | WiFiTux | directhex: fuck. Now, how to I remove the installed nvidia driver? I don't have a browser. *g* |
| 22:33.01 | pi_ | hrm. |
| 22:33.12 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: configuration docs are in /usr/share/doc - they answer your questions |
| 22:33.14 | directhex | WiFiTux, you mean you installed with nvidia-installer? |
| 22:33.16 | Belgafor | WiFiTux: not that simple. |
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| 22:34.45 | WiFiTux | directhex: stupidly, yes. |
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| 22:34.54 | plugster | resiak: diden't work to install mysql-server4.1 now i got an error... while removing my-sql server... |
| 22:35.06 | resiak | !didn't work |
| 22:35.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:35.19 | WiFiTux | MobyTurbo: no, it's not there. |
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| 22:35.52 | directhex | WiFiTux, "nvidia-installer --uninstall" |
| 22:35.53 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: it is so there, I have it and I installed using the installer and in the past via apt-get. |
| 22:36.16 | plugster | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqlddpkg: error processing mysql-server (--remove): |
| 22:36.16 | plugster | subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 22:36.16 | plugster | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqldErrors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:36.21 | directhex | WiFiTux, though it will rip out random files from a number of xfree86 packages, and leave x in a non-working state |
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| 22:38.43 | cire | how do I erase asll content of a hash? |
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| 22:38.54 | WiFiTux | directhex: fuck. You have a clue on how can I fix this? |
| 22:38.57 | resiak | cire: In Perl? |
| 22:39.06 | abel | doh one more freeze |
| 22:39.09 | pi_ | hrm. |
| 22:39.11 | WiFiTux | directhex: apt-get remove -purge xserver-xfree86? |
| 22:39.12 | cire | oh, sorry, wrong channel. But yes, perl |
| 22:39.18 | resiak | cire: |
| 22:39.23 | resiak | cire: #perl . |
| 22:39.28 | resiak | cire: Also undef %hash |
| 22:39.39 | directhex | WiFiTux, offhand? no, i don't know. it's possible recent versions of nvidia-installer thoughtfully made backups & will restore them. no idea though |
| 22:39.44 | resiak | --reinstall ? |
| 22:39.53 | directhex | WiFiTux, too lazy to read the nvidia-installer source to check |
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| 22:40.16 | cire | thanks for your help. I have both, #perl and #debian opened in a frame, so sometimes I type into the wrong one ;) |
| 22:40.17 | abel | the good news is i have the text dpkg give me just before the screen freeze: something like dpkg-deb : subprocess paste killed by signal ( Broken pipe) |
| 22:40.24 | WiFiTux | resiak: I can try that... althought my XF86config-4 says I have NVIDIA card as device, but I changed it to vesa, but that's not what I should have/ |
| 22:40.27 | MobyTurbo | directhex: it makes backups of the previous GL files, if one has software GL (like Mesa) installed before its installation it will be restored. |
| 22:40.35 | resiak | WiFiTux: Change it to nv |
| 22:40.35 | abel | E subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg received a seg fault ;( |
| 22:40.48 | goodtod | how do i get the pcmcia-source for a 2.6 kernel (without standalone drivers)? |
| 22:40.50 | WiFiTux | resiak: I don't want nvidia. is nv nvidia? |
| 22:41.00 | resiak | WiFiTux: It's the open-source nvidia 2d driver. |
| 22:41.04 | WiFiTux | :) |
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| 22:42.47 | WiFiTux | resiak: hhmm still didn't like it. If I remove Xfconfig-4 and then do a apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86 will that reinstall a XFconfig86? |
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| 22:43.21 | abel | anyone know how i tell debian that a package is configured when he believe is not cause i have ask to remove it ? |
| 22:43.42 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: you want to make an md5sum of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 as described at the top of the file, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:43.52 | resiak | WiFiTux: If you apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfree86 then apt-get install xserver-xfree86 that'll work. Or just do as MobyTurbo says. |
| 22:44.42 | WiFiTux | MobyTurbo: ok, so that will return the file to an original state? cool. |
| 22:44.54 | cureless | WiFiTux: no, that will let you modify it with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 22:46.00 | abel | streuner i have the text the putter send to me just before the freeze ... |
| 22:46.26 | abel | the good news is i have the text dpkg give me just before the screen freeze: something like dpkg-deb : subprocess paste killed by signal ( Broken pipe) |
| 22:46.32 | abrotman | your putter has text? .. your driver too? |
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| 22:47.23 | streuner | abel: for what package? |
| 22:47.46 | abel | streuner libgtk1.2 |
| 22:47.46 | cureless | abrotman: but his wedge only has serial output |
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| 22:48.06 | streuner | abel: did you use 'apt-get remove libgtk1.2'? |
| 22:48.35 | toomasr | i'm using unstable, just checked from sources.list, i go to packages.debian.org search for python2.4, find the package in unstable, do apt-get update; apt-cache search python2.4 find nothing, don't get what i'm doing wrong |
| 22:49.18 | streuner | !info python2.4 sid |
| 22:49.19 | abel | streuner i have do it 10 min ago and have give u the result : something like not possible cause alot of dependences |
| 22:49.23 | dpkg | python2.4: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3414 kB, Installed size: 10948 kB |
| 22:49.24 | abrotman | cureless: heh |
| 22:49.25 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 22:49.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:49.44 | abrotman | toomasr: apt-get update first right ? |
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| 22:49.51 | toomasr | abrotman: yeah |
| 22:49.54 | WiFiTux | MobyTurbo: thanks buddy. Got it to work. Thanks resiak and directhex :) cureless too. |
| 22:49.59 | streuner | toomasr: change the mirror and rerun apt-get update |
| 22:50.00 | toomasr | abrotman: tried another mirror too |
| 22:50.02 | abrotman | toomasr: apt-cache search python |
| 22:50.04 | WiFiTux | brb |
| 22:50.04 | streuner | oh |
| 22:50.05 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: yw |
| 22:50.11 | WiFiTux | yw? |
| 22:50.20 | abrotman | or |
| 22:50.21 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: You're welcome |
| 22:50.22 | abrotman | toomasr: apt-cache search python 2.4 |
| 22:50.30 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 22:50.40 | abrotman | toomasr: good enough? |
| 22:50.44 | streuner | abel: i told you to just leave that package on your system? |
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| 22:51.15 | toomasr | abrotman, streuner: nope, only find 2.3, i'll try the main mirror, tried ee and de mirrors, i guess i have something wrong somewhere |
| 22:51.21 | streuner | NOBODY is already that insane to remove some little libgtk packages to fsck his system. |
| 22:51.34 | abrotman | toomasr: well . i have it in sarge .. so either your mirror is . well .. months out of date .. or you're doing something wrong |
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| 22:52.45 | WiFiTux | ok, now in the GUI time to get nvidia back on track. |
| 22:53.00 | abel | streuner : u say me the apt-get output was awful . And i don't want to remove it , i want to reinstall it or to ask apt-get to stop bother me with it but now i have ask it on time to remove it . He considered he is allready remove . and when i ask apt-get mplayer , he say libgtk1.2 is not here even if it's false... |
| 22:53.10 | WiFiTux | directhex, I had the previous .deb of the how-to, will that work or do I have to make a new one with the new kernel? |
| 22:53.13 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:53.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:53.20 | WiFiTux | abrotman, u |
| 22:53.29 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:53.33 | streuner_ | abel: apt-get mplayer? |
| 22:53.47 | toomasr | abrotman, streuner: my bad :), thx for confirmation, i had changed the sources list so many times that i had forgotten to uncomment my mirror, and only had a deb-src line |
| 22:53.48 | abel | streuner : yes from marillat ... |
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| 22:53.58 | streuner_ | abel: and you got that error? |
| 22:54.10 | abrotman | toomasr: that will do it :) |
| 22:54.11 | abel | streuner yes |
| 22:54.13 | ddfire | hi i am looking for something like mapinfo but for linux |
| 22:54.14 | directhex | WiFiTux, you need a new kernel module for every new kernel, though in theory all you need is "m-a a-i nvidia" if you already have module-assistant, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings |
| 22:54.30 | abrotman | ddfire: wtf is mapinfo ? |
| 22:54.30 | ddfire | someone know waht i can use? |
| 22:54.52 | ddfire | mapinfo is a program to edit maps like city maps and road maps |
| 22:54.57 | abel | streuner i got this error when apt-get try to reinstall libgtk1.2 cause he think he is not here... |
| 22:55.01 | streuner_ | abel: in that case, just get the source of mplayer and compile it for yourself - marillat debs aren't official and due that fact aren't supported which means there aren't any bugreports... |
| 22:55.19 | streuner_ | abel: so get the source of mplayer |
| 22:55.34 | abrotman | ddfire: for GIS stuff? |
| 22:55.39 | ddfire | yes |
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| 22:55.50 | ddfire | abrotman, yes that |
| 22:55.51 | abel | streuner : yes but .... now my apt is broken , he don't stop bother me with the supposed missing libgtk1.2 |
| 22:55.51 | streuner_ | abel: well, reinstall that package |
| 22:56.10 | abrotman | ddfire: `apt-cache search GIS` doesn't show anything ? |
| 22:56.21 | streuner_ | abel: via dpkg -i libgtk1.2 |
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| 22:56.35 | streuner_ | abel: pdo |
| 22:56.35 | abel | streuner : when i make a dpkg -i libgtk1.2 i got exactly the same error |
| 22:56.38 | directhex | !info grass |
| 22:56.41 | dpkg | grass: (Geographic Resources Analysis Support System), section science, is extra. Version: 6.0.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5167 kB, Installed size: 12296 kB |
| 22:56.43 | abel | doh one more freeze |
| 22:56.51 | ddfire | abrotman, i didnt do that i am newby in linux |
| 22:56.54 | abel | the good news is i have the text dpkg give me just before the screen freeze: something like dpkg-deb : subprocess paste killed by signal ( Broken pipe) |
| 22:56.54 | abrotman | ddfire: i don't personally know of anything .. but searching for GIS might help you |
| 22:57.00 | abrotman | ddfire: are you running debian? |
| 22:57.01 | ddfire | so wait for me une minute |
| 22:57.10 | stew | abrotman: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:57.12 | ddfire | abrotman, yes debian sarge |
| 22:57.13 | stew | errr |
| 22:57.17 | abrotman | stew: sarge |
| 22:57.18 | abrotman | :) |
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| 22:57.21 | streuner_ | abel: ok, just fool dpkg |
| 22:57.24 | stew | abel: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:57.26 | AngelGabriel | i just spent the last three hours doing a debian install, and i've forgotten the root password - how do i reset it? |
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| 22:57.38 | herbi_ | lmao |
| 22:57.41 | directhex | !i forgot root's password |
| 22:57.41 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 22:57.42 | abel | streuner how ? |
| 22:57.45 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 22:57.54 | abel | stew sarge |
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| 22:58.03 | streuner_ | abel: go to /var/lib/dpkg/info and look for scripts which are responsible for libgtk1.2 and move them to /tmp tempo. |
| 22:58.08 | bucky | directhex, does that work with grub? |
| 22:58.15 | abel | streuner doing it |
| 22:58.15 | directhex | bucky, can you read? |
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| 22:58.37 | bucky | oh step 6 |
| 22:58.40 | stew | /lastlogging hime it looks like he's got quite the messed up system |
| 22:58.45 | stew | him* |
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| 22:58.49 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, Thanks a million!! |
| 22:58.53 | herbi_ | directhex: silly boy! obviously he cant read and youre going to be waiting for an answer that wont come! |
| 22:58.53 | bucky | directhex, you want to bust my ass today? |
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| 22:58.56 | abrotman | stew: your keyboard keeps misbehaving :) |
| 22:58.59 | stew | yeah |
| 22:59.02 | Azar | hello |
| 22:59.14 | bucky | directhex, i'm in the mood |
| 22:59.23 | Azar | one of the titles here should be: Debian is Not Unbutu, Unbutu is a Quickie |
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| 22:59.50 | DutchFish | Any of you can make a prediction when sarge testing goes stable? |
| 22:59.51 | abrotman | there's a link of planet.d.n .. ian basically tells mark why ubuntu is bad .. |
| 22:59.53 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, I use grub boot loader, but i assume it's the same principle? |
| 22:59.54 | abrotman | err off |
| 23:00.05 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: afaik .. dunno . i don't forget things like root's password :) |
| 23:00.15 | ddfire | abrotman, i found only one |
| 23:00.29 | abel | streuner done |
| 23:00.30 | oladola | hello |
| 23:00.35 | oladola | could anyone help me ??? |
| 23:00.36 | abrotman | ddfire: that might be all thier is .. might be easier to ask a GIS discussion group |
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| 23:00.41 | oladola | could anyone help me ??? I have compiled the kernel 2.6.11-7 and when I reboot my pc, I have this kernel panic: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Dnuewi47.html |
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| 23:00.46 | Azar | worse things in live: baptizing your child and assigning a password when you are drunk |
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| 23:00.50 | abrotman | oladola: why did you compile it ? |
| 23:00.51 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, it was a quick install for testing, and i deviated from my normal naming conventions! |
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| 23:00.54 | streuner_ | abel: ok, try dpkg -i libgtk1.2 then |
| 23:00.59 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: doh! |
| 23:01.02 | ddfire | where i can find one gis discussion group? |
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| 23:01.23 | Azar | ddfire: on usenet |
| 23:01.31 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, I shall learn from this!! |
| 23:01.37 | abrotman | ddfire: dunno .. not my profession |
| 23:01.40 | abel | streuner expect 10 min of silence cause there a big chance of freeze & reboot now |
| 23:01.59 | oladola | abrotman: because I need I2C to use sensors and I have kernel 2.4.27 ... |
| 23:02.01 | streuner_ | abel: use memtest86 for this night ;-) |
| 23:02.07 | ddfire | abrotman, what is usenet? |
| 23:02.10 | abrotman | oladola: so use a debian packaged kernel ? |
| 23:02.14 | abrotman | !usenet |
| 23:02.15 | dpkg | well, usenet is a damn good place to find porn!, or a clause as stated by bignose, "As a usenet thread grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning Hitler approaches one." i.e. You lose! |
| 23:02.24 | abrotman | ddfire: groups.google.com |
| 23:02.42 | humbolt | A DVD drive should be able to read any DVD with from any DVD area, right? It just can't play it or am I wrong? |
| 23:02.46 | oladola | abrotman: no, I want to learn to compile my own kernel ... |
| 23:02.51 | abel | streuner memtest86 say 400 error / hours i buy a new ram yesterday |
| 23:02.52 | abrotman | !tell oladola about kp |
| 23:02.54 | bucky | why did debian go to grub in sarge? |
| 23:03.01 | ddfire | abrotman, thanks you |
| 23:03.12 | WiFiTux | directhex, this method is very easy, even than before. I like it. I'm going to reboot and see if it workd! :) |
| 23:03.17 | abrotman | ddfire: or ask your professor? |
| 23:03.21 | Azar | what? don't tell me I lost lilo when I upgraded to sarge? |
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| 23:03.40 | drac | bucky: sarge has both, grub and lilo, so does installer. |
| 23:03.44 | ddfire | abrotman, it isnt a univercity project |
| 23:03.47 | stew | Azar: no, it just defaults to grub for new installs |
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| 23:03.54 | abrotman | ddfire: oh ok |
| 23:03.54 | abel | and dpkg -i libgtk1.2 say dpkg: error processing libgtk1.2 (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing: libgtk1.2 |
| 23:03.59 | bucky | darc it didn't in the installer i used |
| 23:04.01 | Azar | oh, thanks stew :) |
| 23:04.02 | abel | streuner and dpkg -i libgtk1.2 say dpkg: error processing libgtk1.2 (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing: libgtk1.2 |
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| 23:04.40 | streuner_ | abel: go into your cache - its prolly there or you need it to download |
| 23:04.40 | drac | abel: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtk1.2<hit tab key> |
| 23:04.46 | AngelGabriel | humbolt, Yes, your right, any DVD drive should be able to read any DVD - the region protection is software based |
| 23:04.54 | jcole | what is a .udeb file? |
| 23:05.03 | streuner_ | !udeb |
| 23:05.03 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 23:05.06 | abel | streuner i have allready download it |
| 23:05.13 | abel | doing it |
| 23:05.18 | Azar | however, I got adviced by a screen at apt-get dist-upgrade that I should manually modify some lines in lilo for example install=bmp, install=text, and install=menu |
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| 23:05.41 | humbolt | And linux DVD players like xine do not care for region code at all?! |
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| 23:06.18 | streuner_ | humbold: that's a hardware thingie, xine isn't care about |
| 23:06.22 | jcole | thanks streuner, time to google to figure out how to make these little beasts |
| 23:06.25 | abel | ackkkkk |
| 23:06.29 | WiFiTux | directhex, shit it worked, looking glass is awesome!! |
| 23:06.48 | Azar | happy sid users, tomorrow Adobe will post on its site the new version 7 for Linux |
| 23:06.54 | abel | streuner Unpacking replacement libgtk1.2 ... Segmentation fault dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 23:06.55 | AngelGabriel | xine doesn't care about region codes - doesn't mean ur DVD will work |
| 23:07.07 | dvs | Azar: Then what am I running now? |
| 23:07.13 | streuner_ | Azar: its already in marillat's respo. |
| 23:07.20 | anhi | to be on the safe side: flash your drive with a region-free firmware |
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| 23:07.32 | Azar | dvs you might run the beta they have released last month for aussie tax payers |
| 23:08.10 | Azar | Adobe originally released version 5 for Linux and skipped the 6, now they will release the 7 Gold for Linux |
| 23:08.16 | AngelGabriel | humbolt, Take anhi's advice - google for some region free firmware that has been confirmed to run with ur drive. After that, you'll never worry about region protection again! |
| 23:08.22 | chealer | what means spake? |
| 23:08.23 | streuner_ | Azar: Amen |
| 23:08.36 | streuner_ | i guess Past Tense of speak |
| 23:08.42 | stew | @dict spake |
| 23:08.51 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'spake' (1 of 2): {Spoken}({Spoke}, Obs. or Colloq.); p. pr. & vb. n. {Speaking}.] [OE. speken, AS. specan, sprecan; akin to OF.ries. spreka, D. spreken, OS. spreken, G. sprechen, OHG. sprehhan, and perhaps to Skr. sph[=u]rj to crackle, to thunder. Cf. {Spark} of fire, {Speech}.] 1. To utter words or articulate sounds, as human beings; to express ... |
| 23:08.53 | chealer | bah I don't think it will be worth using reader anyway |
| 23:09.11 | AngelGabriel | Until bluray comes out later this year - then all the copy protection experts will be back at it for about, lets say, three maybe four days to crack whatever type of protection bluray has! |
| 23:09.13 | directhex | WiFiTux, but it's for evil non-free java isn';t it? |
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| 23:09.24 | chealer | ah, I understand. |
| 23:09.25 | Azar | http://news.com.com/Adobe+about+to+release+Linux-friendly+Reader/2100-1012_3-5663038.html?part=rss&tag=5663038&subj=news |
| 23:09.43 | streuner_ | abel: so let the package alone |
| 23:09.43 | jcole | yes! kernel-wedge! |
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| 23:10.04 | dvs | kernel-wedgey! |
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| 23:10.40 | WiFiTux | directhex, well, yes. But believe me, this thing is a most see. I would love if my desktop would become like this. |
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| 23:11.27 | humbolt | Is there a way to find out the DVD-Drive type without opening the case? |
| 23:11.35 | mngrif | kernel-wedge? |
| 23:11.36 | Mr_Smoke | type ? |
| 23:11.46 | Mr_Smoke | what do you mean "type" ? |
| 23:11.54 | streuner_ | humbolt: man cdrecord |
| 23:12.05 | Azar | it is so sad that while GCC-3 was released back in 2001 woody still comes with GCC-2.95 |
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| 23:12.30 | streuner_ | humbold: if you thinking about SCSI or ATAPI, iam out of ideas then |
| 23:12.34 | dvs | Azar: and it always will |
| 23:12.44 | DutchFish | a propos .. when does testing go stable? soon? |
| 23:12.44 | dvs | :-( |
| 23:12.53 | dvs | !wwsr DutchFish |
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| 23:12.59 | dvs | damn |
| 23:13.02 | streuner_ | DutchFish: /msg dpkg wir |
| 23:13.08 | Azar | dvs sad, because if I want to escape 2.4.18 and go to a better 2.4.x kernel I wish I could have that GCC-3 as well |
| 23:13.28 | dvs | Azar: Yeah, that's a shame |
| 23:13.40 | mngrif | erm... why not use testing or unstable? |
| 23:13.45 | humbolt | There is a symbol on my dvd that shows a world and all written on it, that might mean, it is "all regions"? |
| 23:13.57 | streuner_ | abel: still around? |
| 23:14.00 | directhex | humbolt, quite likely |
| 23:14.01 | mngrif | humbolt: is there a number inside the world? |
| 23:14.09 | Azar | erm.. I fell inlove with challenges in woody |
| 23:14.11 | humbolt | no all |
| 23:14.14 | StupidMop | What is a good HTTP location to put into sources.list so that when i apt-get i'll have the best selection of programs |
| 23:14.15 | StupidMop | ? |
| 23:14.24 | mngrif | yes, all regions |
| 23:14.24 | humbolt | no number at all but ALL |
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| 23:14.35 | abel_ | one more freeze |
| 23:14.37 | humbolt | shit, but it does not work |
| 23:14.44 | directhex | humbolt, css? |
| 23:14.45 | humbolt | I can not even mount it |
| 23:14.55 | streuner_ | abel_: ok, that isn't very much fun, use memtest86 |
| 23:15.05 | streuner_ | abel_: over night |
| 23:15.18 | stew | abel_: you have a hardware problem either overheating or bad memory i would guess |
| 23:15.22 | humbolt | is there some new protection so I can't play it on my PC DVD drive? |
| 23:15.54 | mngrif | no.. chances are if it's a new drive you need to run a windows util to set the region |
| 23:15.56 | Azar | humbolt, DVDs are marked -r, +r, etc |
| 23:16.03 | abel_ | streuner if i change the ram all will be repaired or will i need to reinstall my debian ? |
| 23:16.06 | mngrif | my dvd drive was like that |
| 23:16.15 | streuner_ | abel_: nope |
| 23:16.29 | humbolt | Azar: it is a DVD from the video rental |
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| 23:16.39 | streuner_ | abel_: debian lives in your HD not in your RAM |
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| 23:16.59 | humbolt | I do only own a laptop with dvd-rom, no hardware player |
| 23:17.03 | mngrif | bad ram can cause a million problems |
| 23:17.11 | abel_ | k, so i will buy this corsair value tomorow and hope all will be better |
| 23:17.36 | abel_ | dvs why ? |
| 23:17.41 | streuner_ | abel_: more RAM doesn't hurd in any case... |
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| 23:17.56 | stew | abel_: you outa run memtest86 first to see if thats the case, last time it happened to me it was the ram slot, not the ram |
| 23:18.15 | abel_ | stew that the case, i have 400 error / hours |
| 23:18.25 | streuner_ | abel_: just run memtest86 NOW |
| 23:18.29 | dvs | abel_: I bought a pair of DDR400 for my Asus P4P800 Deluxe. They would not run in dual channel mode. It took a pair of Kingston ValueRAM to make it work right. |
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| 23:18.37 | directhex | humbolt, commerical dvds usually have CSS protection. install libdvdcss2 from marillat |
| 23:19.04 | StupidMop | What is a good HTTP location to put into sources.list so that when i apt-get i'll have the most recent selection of programs? |
| 23:19.04 | DutchFish | abel: i have tested same mobo -> watch out for mem-bank 3 |
| 23:19.08 | humbolt | I have that, but still, I should be able to mount the thing?! |
| 23:19.35 | Mr_Smoke | StupidMop, run apt-config, pick up the closest mirror and you'll be all set |
| 23:19.36 | Phated | Just try to watch it or something. You don't need a DVD to be mounted to watch it. |
| 23:19.38 | abel_ | streuner i have allready run memtest86 , the 400 error / hours IS the result of a memtest86+ |
| 23:19.39 | stew | StupidMop: www.xx.debian.org where xx is a country code like us or uk or au or something |
| 23:19.45 | humbolt | libdvdcss2/testing uptodate 1.2.8-sarge0.0 |
| 23:19.58 | StupidMop | stew & mr_smoke: THANKS! |
| 23:20.12 | streuner_ | abel_: ok |
| 23:20.12 | humbolt | I guess the f*cking DVD is broken |
| 23:20.20 | directhex | StupidMop, what does "grep security /etc/apt/sources.list" report? |
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| 23:21.21 | StupidMop | directhex: security.debian.org but that line is commented out |
| 23:21.37 | abel_ | streuner u thinks the slot can be incriminated ? does it woth anything that i move the ram to see if it change something ? |
| 23:21.56 | directhex | StupidMop, i don't think that'w what is written on that line at ALL. for sone thing, it should start with "deb" not "directhex" |
| 23:22.00 | streuner_ | abel_: well, i would try that too |
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| 23:22.50 | StupidMop | directhex: right. it does start with deb. it's a proper line. |
| 23:23.06 | masf | hi |
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| 23:23.11 | dom_ | hiall |
| 23:23.12 | DutchFish | abel_ : is our mem-speed in bios set to 400? your mobo defaults to 333 |
| 23:23.25 | dom_ | where can i find apt-get mirror of kde 3.1.4 ? |
| 23:23.38 | streuner_ | dom_: for what for? |
| 23:23.47 | directhex | StupidMop, you are making a concentrated effort to make it as difficult as possible to help you. WHAT VERSION OF DEBIAN ARE YOU RUNNING |
| 23:23.52 | streuner_ | dom_: why do you think you need that version? |
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| 23:24.11 | abel_ | dutchFish u say i must downgrade it to 333 if it is set at 400 ? |
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| 23:24.28 | streuner_ | dom: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 23:24.38 | dom_ | streuner_: sorry i want say 3.4 |
| 23:24.46 | Eclipser | erm |
| 23:24.47 | DutchFish | abel_ : try memtest with 333 first then 400 if dif: mem is failing - not placement |
| 23:24.50 | streuner_ | dom_: how long do you use sid? |
| 23:24.59 | dom_ | streuner_: first day |
| 23:25.05 | dom_ | streuner_: usually use sarge |
| 23:25.07 | StupidMop | directhex: sorry. i wasn't trying to make i difficult. |
| 23:25.18 | streuner_ | dom_: its easier to shoot yourself into your foot... |
| 23:25.30 | streuner_ | !tell dom_ about sid faq |
| 23:25.33 | Eclipser | why would apt want to remove my libapache2-mod-php4 and install libapache-mod-php4 and apache-common :< |
| 23:25.39 | abel_ | dutchFish : have u the time to explain why ? |
| 23:25.42 | Eclipser | (sarge) |
| 23:25.42 | dom_ | streuner_: it's easy also understand your mind |
| 23:25.43 | directhex | Eclipser, it hates you |
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| 23:25.50 | Eclipser | directhex, obviously yeah |
| 23:25.57 | streuner_ | dom_: hehe, true :-) |
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| 23:26.39 | DutchFish | abel_ i found it was a nasty bug in bios for that mobo for dual channel mode at 400 (even tested with Kingston ram PC3200) |
| 23:26.53 | streuner_ | dom_: so you have sid already installed? |
| 23:27.09 | abel_ | dutchFish i only have one ram |
| 23:27.16 | abel_ | dutchFish not 2 |
| 23:27.20 | DutchFish | you need 2 for dual channel mode |
| 23:27.33 | anhi | DutchFish: what kind of bug? |
| 23:27.42 | abel_ | dutchFish . I don' dual channel mode |
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| 23:28.16 | DutchFish | anhi timing bug |
| 23:28.33 | crashbg | hi all |
| 23:28.54 | anhi | DutchFish: haven't had problems with my A7N8x Deluxe Dual Chan 333 |
| 23:28.56 | DutchFish | anhi detected on CPU > 3 HGz Prescott |
| 23:29.18 | DutchFish | anhi we where talking about p4p mobo |
| 23:29.27 | anhi | DutchFish: oh, sorry |
| 23:29.50 | dvs | DutchFish: Which one? |
| 23:30.29 | DutchFish | dvs p4p800 and cons. |
| 23:30.36 | dvs | cons? |
| 23:30.49 | streuner | dom_: /list #debian-kde |
| 23:30.54 | DutchFish | dvs series* |
| 23:31.12 | dvs | DutchFish: Never heard of it. |
| 23:31.14 | abel_ | anyone know the name of the site where i can have some old version of package ? |
| 23:31.29 | streuner_ | !sdn |
| 23:31.29 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 23:31.33 | crashbg | i need someone to hack a little bit the sis linux-2.6 ide driver - sis5513.c? Is there anyone here with a good heart willing to help me for 10 minutes? |
| 23:31.51 | WiFiTux | jua jua |
| 23:31.59 | jhares | i try compile kernel - but kernel panic: VFS: not found root= (hd0,0).. in grub i have /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8 root=/dev/hda6 ro // (hd0,5) |
| 23:32.27 | DutchFish | abel_ try to check it at 333 |
| 23:32.30 | dvs | jhares: /dev/hda6 ain't hd0,0 |
| 23:32.35 | WiFiTux | jhares, make sure you are giving inherited kernel support for ALL your hardware if you installed with the sarge installer. |
| 23:32.38 | crashbg | jhares, you have to include you file-system drivers INTO the kernel, not as modules also |
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| 23:34.07 | jhares | and when i only compile kernel-source and nothing changing - it will work? |
| 23:34.40 | crashbg | change from what? |
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| 23:34.57 | dvs | jhares: It depends how you compile it. |
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| 23:35.57 | Azar | I almost got used to compiling a new kernel, but not the debian way, now I am scared to |
| 23:36.33 | dottedquad | can anyone give me hand with setuping up my monitor and video in sarge debian distro... feel free to msg me or we can do it in the chat |
| 23:36.46 | chealer | !msgyou |
| 23:36.46 | dpkg | NO, nobody is going to /msg you. If you need private help, pay someone. |
| 23:36.46 | streuner_ | make-kpkg makes a deb out of your kernel - not more or less... |
| 23:37.01 | chealer | !drxx dottedquad |
| 23:37.02 | dpkg | dottedquad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 23:37.02 | streuner_ | Easier to install and remove |
| 23:37.18 | mwilson | grrr, stupid Ubuntu |
| 23:37.22 | streuner_ | heh |
| 23:37.32 | Azar | mwilson, right on |
| 23:37.41 | crashbg | step1: make menuconfig step2: make-kpkg --appent-to-version=-12.06.2005-1 --revision=my.1 kernel_image step3: dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.... and reboot |
| 23:37.43 | dottedquad | i got up to that step.. i'm up to the monitor section and must have changed it about 20 times but i get an XIO Fatal IO error 104 |
| 23:37.51 | mwilson | So messed up it (a) doesn't announce its host name to the DHCPd, (b) doesn't provide a way to MAKE it announce its name. |
| 23:38.07 | streuner_ | step 0: /msg dpkg kp and read the HOWTO |
| 23:38.17 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:38.31 | streuner_ | good decision :-) |
| 23:38.33 | Azar | I have never touched dpkg, I need to learn it a bit |
| 23:38.41 | Azar | now I am sorry I upgraded to sarge |
| 23:38.59 | WiFiTux | mwilson, why? |
| 23:39.03 | Mr_Smoke | huh, what can prevent numlockx from running at X startup ? when installed, the package correctly places a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d but for some reason, it is not executed (ie numlock stays off) |
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| 23:39.21 | Azar | WiFiTux because Unbutu is a Quickie, and is NOT Debian |
| 23:39.23 | dvs | Azar: Why's that? |
| 23:39.34 | WiFiTux | Azar, oh ubuntu. |
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| 23:39.47 | mwilson | WiFiTux: My next-door neighbor is playing with it. |
| 23:39.47 | crashbg | stop with that ubuntu-things |
| 23:39.53 | WiFiTux | Azar, quickies are good sometimes... |
| 23:39.56 | Azar | dvs, because I should have stayed with woody learning compiling kernels from there first |
| 23:39.57 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 23:40.03 | mwilson | "It's Debian-based, so you should know how to make it do things..." |
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| 23:40.10 | Azar | WiFiTux, Unbutu ashames Debian |
| 23:40.17 | dvs | Azar: So why do you have to compile kernels now? |
| 23:40.33 | WiFiTux | Azar, I know. I was making a joke. Shame that most debian developers are into Ubuntu as well. |
| 23:40.47 | Azar | dvs, I am looking a way to fix my nvidia driver and I need a higher kernel and a newer gcc for it |
| 23:40.48 | thingfish | I somehow doubt that. |
| 23:41.01 | dvs | Azar: Ok. I see. |
| 23:41.20 | WiFiTux | Azar, I just did all that. |
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| 23:41.30 | grzesiek | hello |
| 23:41.45 | chealer | Azar: you're using woody on a desktop now? |
| 23:41.55 | pipeline | Azar, WiFiTux: I don't see how Ubuntu shames debian. It's just Sid with a desktop background. |
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| 23:42.08 | Azar | chealer, no desktop for now, no sound, no mouse , no gui |
| 23:42.16 | mwilson | grrrrrrr |
| 23:42.28 | dvs | not a single luxury? |
| 23:42.30 | crashbg | i forgot - after make menuconfig, make-kpkg clean |
| 23:42.41 | Azar | dvs, no nothing, just vim, irssi and nethack |
| 23:42.44 | jhares | crashbg: i compiled by manual http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch08s05.html.cs |
| 23:43.00 | foobared | !ubuntusmite pipeline |
| 23:43.00 | WiFiTux | Azar, if you read the how-to It tells you need libc6 and a newer gcc and so on. Move to testing. |
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| 23:43.23 | streuner_ | !start a distro war |
| 23:43.24 | dpkg | Progeny rocks! |
| 23:43.32 | jhares | crashbg: and i used xconfig |
| 23:43.33 | Azar | :) |
| 23:43.37 | WiFiTux | dpkg, milk me |
| 23:43.39 | pipeline | foobared: That's an awful one. CO and CO2 are not really that different in how dangerous they are. |
| 23:43.41 | silverton | is there a codec repository that I could add to my sources.list? |
| 23:43.44 | crashbg | jhares, if you have x use it :) |
| 23:43.59 | Azar | I am on testing since yesterday but I have a vague feeling I am in the "no-mans-land" |
| 23:44.01 | crashbg | but sometimes menuconfig is better :) |
| 23:44.06 | directhex | !tell silverton about marillat |
| 23:44.07 | streuner_ | silverton: marillat's |
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| 23:44.14 | chealer | pipeline: want to try? :) |
| 23:44.22 | silverton | directhex, should I just google that? |
| 23:44.27 | DutchFish | pipeline : just 1 makes the kill faster (with a headache) :) |
| 23:44.32 | grzesiek | can anyone help with wep? I have a wireles set up one box as a ap it works fine in open mode but as soon as I enable wep on ap and client I dont get connection, even if ap show connection established, any ideas? |
| 23:44.37 | jhares | crashbg: so if i nothing change in xconfig it works.. |
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| 23:45.24 | pipeline | chealer: I think it would be more fun to replace my H20 with H2O2 :P |
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| 23:45.39 | taddeus | hi |
| 23:45.41 | DutchFish | chealer: explosives? |
| 23:46.00 | chealer | pipeline: that's another thing potential for adding action to the channel. |
| 23:46.06 | chealer | well, temporarily, anyway |
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| 23:46.15 | abrotman | fish |
| 23:46.26 | WiFiTux | beef |
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| 23:46.34 | mwilson | grrr grrr |
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| 23:47.04 | briareus | hello. from what I am reading, kde's font menu should be offering me the fonts that defoma is managing. however, kde font and fontconfig only show about 20 typefaces. xfontsel shows hundreds. defoma was installed during the system build. what can be going wrong? |
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| 23:48.03 | Azar | mwilson I guess you were reading the same article.. |
| 23:48.09 | WiFiTux | briareus, bugs.debian.org? |
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| 23:48.37 | briareus | this is a fresh install of sarge last night. fonts seem borked. some terminals show odd characters and hash like marks for characters. for example, in pstree instead of lines there are strange random characters. |
| 23:48.38 | ali7288 | hey, my computer screen will freeze and the keyboard will stop responding BUT the mouse will still move if i move it i just cannot do anything with the windows open and the keyboard will stop responding(even if i press caps lock or num lock the colors will not turn on)... anyone know what the problem can be? |
| 23:48.56 | mrmafia | whats wrong with this "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc3 /mnt/disco/ -o rw,uid=1000,umask=022" ? |
| 23:49.01 | WiFiTux | ali7288, replace your keyboard :) |
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| 23:49.08 | ali7288 | i already tried 2 |
| 23:49.15 | ali7288 | they seem to work fine w/ a windows machine |
| 23:49.29 | ali7288 | actually the one i am currently using was on a windows machine before and worked just fine |
| 23:49.40 | crashbg | HEELP pls i need someone to hack a little bit the sis linux-2.6 ide driver - sis5513.c? Is there anyone here with a good heart willing to help me for 10 minutes? - there are a lof of dma error with the current driver, it's a simple procedure if you know c |
| 23:49.52 | WiFiTux | ali7288, switch ports with the mouse and keyboard. use the mouse in the purple one and mouse in the greenm. |
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| 23:50.10 | taddeus | is there a way to retrive unknown oriz.and vert. freq. of an LCD monitor ? |
| 23:50.10 | abrotman | crashbg: #kernel |
| 23:50.30 | abrotman | yes .. the manuf website |
| 23:50.35 | mngrif | mrmafia: /mnt/disco or /mnt/disc0? does the directory exist? |
| 23:50.47 | ali7288 | umm mouse is in the green and keyboard is in purple |
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| 23:50.56 | ali7288 | like it's supposed to be..... |
| 23:50.58 | mrmafia | mngrif, yes |
| 23:51.18 | DanWSB | Question regarding APT: Does it maintain any sort of history of installed packages, so I can easily remove all the packages installed after, a given item? (For instance, I want to try a bunch of software out, and then easily remove it all once I'm done). /var/log, man pages, and google have been of no help. |
| 23:51.28 | DaCa | mrmafia: device and mountpath must be the last params |
| 23:51.29 | thingfish | well sure |
| 23:51.35 | mngrif | mrmafia: try the user name instead of the UID |
| 23:51.45 | chealer | DanWSB: no |
| 23:51.46 | jhares | can be error when i haven't in grub by new compile kernel initrd? |
| 23:51.53 | foobared | ali7288: which keyb? a regular one ore or a wireless? |
| 23:51.56 | mrmafia | DaCa, thx |
| 23:51.58 | ali7288 | regular |
| 23:52.13 | mngrif | DanWSB: do what i do, write the package names down |
| 23:52.33 | mrmafia | DaCa, like this ? "mount -t ext3 -o rw,uid=1000,umask=022 /dev/hdc3 /mnt/disco/" |
| 23:52.44 | mrmafia | DaCa, it didnt worked |
| 23:52.46 | DaCa | mrmafia: yes |
| 23:52.48 | DanWSB | mngrif: That's what I've been doing, but it was a bit inconvenient. :) |
| 23:52.49 | abrotman | DanWSB: check debfoster |
| 23:52.58 | abrotman | !debfoster |
| 23:52.59 | dpkg | methinks debfoster is a package that detects "orphaned" dependencies and cleans them up. |
| 23:53.02 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:53.07 | abrotman | deborphan helps too |
| 23:53.09 | mngrif | DanWSB: yep |
| 23:53.19 | DanWSB | abrotman, chealer: thanks |
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| 23:53.37 | adexta | how can i play quicktime movies? |
| 23:53.44 | mrmafia | DaCa, didnt worked |
| 23:53.49 | abrotman | adexta: mplayer or xine |
| 23:53.50 | adexta | i just received a few DVDR's with a lot of porn on them |
| 23:53.51 | briareus | bugs.debian.org is useless for my error, it wants search by package, i dont know what package is at fault here with my font problems. i searched for defoma, none of the bugs are mine. |
| 23:53.52 | chealer | !quicktime |
| 23:53.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, quicktime is apple's multimedia file format, at http://www.quicktime.apple.com/ or Quicktime for Linux (Low level Quicktime library for *NIX), section Development/Libraries, is LGPL. Stable: 1.1.2, Development: none. http://apps.freshmeat.net/homepage/919133076/ |
| 23:54.02 | DaCa | mrmafia: so what did it say? |
| 23:54.09 | chealer | huh, quicktime for linux...not sure that works |
| 23:54.20 | abrotman | what is wrong with your fonts? |
| 23:54.43 | mrmafia | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc3, |
| 23:54.43 | mrmafia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:55.32 | chealer | I don't find that quicktime for linux |
| 23:55.32 | briareus | abrotman, kde menu and fontconfig (fc-list) show only about 20 typefaces. xfontsel lists hundreds. defoma was installed at system install time. |
| 23:55.33 | pipeline | chealer: Quicktime for linux is not very useful because it doesn't work with modern quicktime codecs (Sorenson, MPEG4) |
| 23:55.33 | abrotman | briareus: did you ask #debian-kde ? |
| 23:55.33 | Azar | DanWSB you could also get organized by keeping downloaded stuff in a directory so you get your archive list of your downloads |
| 23:55.33 | briareus | abrotman, no, just #kde |
| 23:55.33 | briareus | thanks |
| 23:55.33 | chealer | pipeline: yeah...I heard that too. I guess the factoid isn't that useful |
| 23:55.37 | abrotman | debfoster .. really .. try it |
| 23:55.50 | abrotman | instead of wasting your time goofing around |
| 23:56.05 | abrotman | use the tools people have made to do the same task you wish to do |
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| 23:56.15 | adexta | how do i apt-get it? |
| 23:56.18 | adexta | what's the package name? |
| 23:56.22 | abrotman | get what? |
| 23:56.24 | adexta | quicktime for linux |
| 23:56.29 | abrotman | adexta: mplayer or xine |
| 23:56.32 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 23:56.32 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, or ask me about "marillat" |
| 23:56.35 | abrotman | !xine |
| 23:56.35 | dpkg | i guess xine is a DVD,VCD,MPEG (divX also possible) player for Linux. http://xine.sourceforge.net or just apt-get install xine-ui xine-lib. Also at #xine.. You can get a "complete" version of xine with a DeCSS plugin at http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html, or to get sound set the goto advanced settings and set the sound driver form null to what ever you use. see xine-ui KDE users, check out 'kaffeine', or but xine needs a -cache ... |
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| 23:56.54 | abrotman | adexta: or send a nasty email to Steve Jobs |
| 23:57.19 | adexta | thanks |
| 23:57.28 | DanWSB | Azar: That's true. Do you think that there is a need for a kind of package installation state snapshotting / rollback tool? |
| 23:57.32 | DaCa | mrmafia: are you sure uid and umask is allowed on ext3 ? |
| 23:57.48 | wpostma | DanWSB, apt-unget would be nice. |
| 23:57.52 | mrmafia | DaCa, i think so |
| 23:58.17 | ali7288 | my computer screen will freeze and the keyboard will stop responding BUT i can still move the mouse. the keyboard will stop responding(even if i press caps lock or num lock the colors will not turn on)... anyone know what the problem can be? |
| 23:58.22 | chealer | abrotman: shouldn't it be sent to sorenson? |
| 23:59.00 | abrotman | chealer: who makes quicktime? |
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| 23:59.07 | chealer | abrotman: Apple |
| 23:59.12 | benjamindees | ali7288, do you have any odd hardware? |
| 23:59.12 | abrotman | chealer: apple pays for that codec .. and lets people encode crap in it |
| 23:59.12 | DanWSB | wpostma: it's been added to my list of potential summer projects :) |
| 23:59.20 | DaCa | mrmafia: it isnt listed in mount(8) |
| 23:59.21 | abrotman | DanWSB: DEBFOSTER!!! |
| 23:59.26 | ali7288 | what do you mean by odd hardware? |
| 23:59.39 | abrotman | that's it .. no more caffiene after 10am |
| 23:59.50 | abrotman | sadly .. it's 8pm |
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| 23:59.57 | DanWSB | abrotman: I've just apt-gotten it, haven't had a chance to use it yet |