| 00:00.08 | mrmafia | DaCa, so how can i set /mnt/disco to can be wrote with my user ? |
| 00:00.19 | abrotman | DanWSB: i'm almost positive it will do *exactly* what you want .. |
| 00:00.24 | chealer | abrotman: ok |
| 00:00.28 | abrotman | DanWSB: deborphan can also clean stuff up |
| 00:00.33 | adexta | !marillat |
| 00:00.33 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
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| 00:00.56 | DanWSB | abrotman: I just finished with deborphan, and actually, judging by the first bit of output that debfoster put out... it does seem perfect. |
| 00:01.02 | DanWSB | abrotman: thank you! |
| 00:01.22 | mwilson | Ok, that's how you do it. |
| 00:01.33 | abrotman | mwilson: sex? |
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| 00:02.08 | DaCa | mrmafia: what data is on this partition? |
| 00:02.09 | mwilson | No, I got stupid Ubuntu to tell the DHCPd what its hostname was. |
| 00:02.16 | Guerin | grrr |
| 00:02.18 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:02.23 | abrotman | mwilson: i thought you burnt that cd |
| 00:02.30 | tuxyAtitude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:02.37 | Guerin | bitlbee won't let me change my nick, which means I can't log in |
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| 00:03.27 | mwilson | It's not my CD. |
| 00:03.51 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:04.12 | Azar | It's diverged so far from Sarge that packages built for Ubuntu often don't work on Sarge. And given the momentum behind Ubuntu, more and more packages are being built like this. The result is a potential compatibility nightmare." |
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| 00:04.27 | tuxyAtitude | how to record video from a webcam ? |
| 00:04.33 | dvs | why does it have to be compatible? |
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| 00:04.47 | mwilson | Azar: wtf does that have to do with anything? |
| 00:04.50 | chealer | !ubuntu |
| 00:04.51 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 00:04.54 | maher | Azar: somehow i think everyone will be bale to go on living |
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| 00:05.10 | Azar | hmm read for yourself the article: http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541 |
| 00:05.17 | mwilson | Azar: Why would you have any expectation whatsoever that an Ubuntu package would work on Debian, or the reverse? |
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| 00:05.48 | Azar | mwilson in the first place I have no idea why the article will put debian near unbutu |
| 00:05.49 | Deep6 | Azar, to be completely honest, and not to disrespect the majority of debian developers, but I for one won't mourn the self righteous arrogance that is present in Debian's political structure |
| 00:06.09 | mrmafia | DaCa, what data ? what do you mean ? is that relevant ? |
| 00:06.24 | chealer | Azar: so why do you tell us to read that? the factoid says it : ubuntu is NOT Debian TM |
| 00:06.37 | maher | Deep6: how is the structure arrogant - don't you mean individual dds |
| 00:06.45 | Azar | Deep6, I am not a guru, I am a beginner with linux and I have chosen Debian over any other distro because I want to learn |
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| 00:07.07 | maher | Azar: in general the distros are not binary compatible - so what |
| 00:07.14 | abrotman | mwilson: you read planet.d.n? |
| 00:07.25 | Deep6 | maher, yes, to some extent but the whole process has become bloated and resistant to change..... |
| 00:07.27 | mwilson | abrotman: Gods, no. |
| 00:07.45 | DaCa | mrmafia: I am just trying to find out what you are trying to do, its an ext3 filesystem, so there are already permissions present, why dont they match? |
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| 00:08.09 | mwilson | abrotman: Why do you ask? |
| 00:08.16 | mrmafia | DaCa, i don't know, i can't write to mount point |
| 00:08.17 | ledestin | This in logs: 'modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-1'. I don't have alias sound-slot-1 in modules.conf, but what is trying to load it? grep -r of /etc yielded nothing about it. |
| 00:08.24 | Azar | that unbutu stuff might have been coming from debian but it is more and more a totally different distro, too bad people like to think unbutu == debian it is not true |
| 00:08.36 | abrotman | mwilson: http://ianmurdock.com/archives/000244.html .. was linked from there today .. i'm considering adding it to the !ubuntu factoid |
| 00:08.38 | briareus | ok. I ran fc-cache -vv and it reports it succeeded in finding hundreds of fonts. however, when i fclist i still see only about 20. does this function require that i restart X to make this work? |
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| 00:09.06 | maher | Deep6: whatever |
| 00:09.10 | DaCa | mrmafia: become root and chown it to your user |
| 00:09.11 | abrotman | mwilson: think i should? |
| 00:09.18 | Azar | thanks, abrotman for the article |
| 00:09.22 | abrotman | Azar: que? |
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| 00:09.32 | abrotman | which article? |
| 00:09.40 | Deep6 | Azar, Debian is the best distro for hands on learning and it has for the most part a supportive community |
| 00:09.43 | mwilson | abrotman: No. |
| 00:09.51 | abrotman | mwilson: you don't agree? |
| 00:10.07 | maher | Azar: debian has the rudest irc channel of any major distro... |
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| 00:10.22 | abrotman | maher: and? |
| 00:10.24 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:10.35 | benjamindees | abrotman, that article sounds about right |
| 00:10.37 | maher | abrotman: and... you smell |
| 00:10.42 | abrotman | maher: and? |
| 00:10.44 | briareus | Deep6, I think I have received more wallops in this channel than even gentoo. that said, there are some very helpful people here |
| 00:10.48 | abrotman | !no and then |
| 00:10.54 | mwilson | abrotman: Agree with what? It's an idiotic idea. |
| 00:10.59 | Deep6 | maher, I'd be willing to debate it with you, but I think the fact that stable is laugable and sarge is already out of date speaks for itself |
| 00:11.00 | quittt | punk rock forever |
| 00:11.05 | abrotman | mwilson: to append that to the ubuntu factoid? |
| 00:11.10 | abrotman | as a possible deterent |
| 00:11.22 | mwilson | abrotman: No, the idea put forth in the weblog. |
| 00:11.26 | maher | Deep6: the main problem with debian is there aren't enough whiners |
| 00:11.28 | Deep6 | briareus, you were hit with the stick of learning it's ok we've all been there.... |
| 00:11.28 | quittt | my brain is hanging upside down... |
| 00:11.38 | abrotman | mwilson: oh .. the compatibility thing .. yes |
| 00:11.43 | briareus | Deep6, no, i mean vile rudeness when i was polite |
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| 00:12.03 | abrotman | mwilson: i meant more about the splintering of debian .. etc .. packages no longer work as companies target ubuntu but leave debian out in the cold |
| 00:12.13 | abrotman | briareus: you're never polite!! :) |
| 00:12.27 | Deep6 | briareus, you've clearly never been in debian-devel vile rudeness is a staple |
| 00:12.35 | mwilson | abrotman: <shrug> What about it? There's some reason for this not to be entirely expected? |
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| 00:12.44 | briareus | my apologies abrotman i thought i was nice :) |
| 00:13.00 | abrotman | briareus: you're just horrible .. you'd make a sailor blush |
| 00:13.14 | abrotman | mwilson: yes .. but perhaps it would help people see that ubuntu is not debian |
| 00:13.45 | maher | abrotman: ubuntu is not debian - how can anyone be confused - they are called something different - you dl them from different places |
| 00:13.48 | mwilson | abrotman: I guess I'm missing something. Ubuntu isn't Debian, so why would you expect that packages for one would work on the other? |
| 00:13.57 | Deep6 | maher, I'm not whining, I'm objectively speaking....I truly believe in Debian and hope it doesn't implode under its own weight, I do however hope that ubuntu stands up and smacks some people awake |
| 00:13.57 | Guerin | maher: it's remarkable, innit? |
| 00:14.09 | abrotman | maher: don't tell me |
| 00:14.14 | ledestin | abrotman: "companies target Ubuntu"? |
| 00:14.15 | tuxyAtitude | maher, but ubuntu is based on debian packages isn't it ? |
| 00:14.19 | pipeline | !based on |
| 00:14.19 | Deep6 | and that a better leaner, quicker debian emerges |
| 00:14.21 | briareus | one of my earlier irc experiences was trying to ask for some apt-cache help here in #debian, and was promptly told to suck my own dick |
| 00:14.25 | briareus | hehe |
| 00:14.28 | abrotman | ledestin: supposition about future possibly |
| 00:14.34 | maher | tuxyAtitude: so what? |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | i realize ubuntu is not debian .. thanks for the update .. |
| 00:14.42 | briareus | i let it deter me, that was my fault. Im only now coming back to debian, three years later |
| 00:14.56 | pipeline | Deep6: Ubuntu can't survive without Debian. It's pretty much irrelevant to mainstream debian. The only thing Ubuntu threatens is Progeny :P |
| 00:14.58 | Belfagor | tuxyAtitude: not anymore: there are now many packages in Ubuntu that are not Debian packages, and viceversa I think. |
| 00:15.15 | Guerin | well, not really |
| 00:15.15 | Belfagor | tuxyAtitude: Unbuntu is now a true fork, not a repackaging, of Debian. |
| 00:15.17 | Deep6 | briareus, hrmm...we usually don't make such assumptions, what would we have done if you weren't a man |
| 00:15.21 | pipeline | Belfagor: There's a handful of packages in Ubuntu that aren't Debian packages, and there's thousands of Debian packages that aren't in Ubuntu. |
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| 00:15.27 | briareus | lol |
| 00:15.32 | Guerin | ubuntu is a fork of sid, which means that if debian dies or suffers, so does ubuntu |
| 00:15.52 | maher | ubuntu needs debian a lot more than debian needs ubuntu |
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| 00:16.02 | briareus | from the results of that recent election, it seems debian is suffering |
| 00:16.04 | Guerin | now, the thing is that both distributions are worked on by largely the same group of people, so I guess if one starts to wane, there will be a shift in emphasis |
| 00:16.50 | Deep6 | if ubuntu captures sufficient market than everyone will begin to associate ubuntu as debian and debian will have to doff a lot of its history in favour of the ubuntu process |
| 00:17.07 | abrotman | briareus: did you vote? |
| 00:17.10 | Deep6 | Guerin, yep precisely |
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| 00:17.25 | Guerin | Deep6: i don't see how your conclusion follows from mine |
| 00:17.26 | briareus | abrotman, i didnt even know the vote was happening, just saw the results on /. |
| 00:17.34 | abrotman | briareus: are you a DD ? |
| 00:17.35 | maher | Deep6: what? that's totally wrong |
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| 00:17.48 | pipeline | Deep6: As I just mentioned, Ubuntu *CANNOT LIVE* without Debian. The mainline Debian. They can't afford to fork it, they can't afford bad blood, and marketshare doesn't matter. |
| 00:17.57 | briareus | abrotman, no, I am just a microcontroller programmer/student |
| 00:18.12 | abrotman | pipeline: honestly .. shuttleworth has enough $$ to live without debian :P) |
| 00:18.17 | Deep6 | maher, I disagree on your point....Debian needs unbuntu as it is the sexy face of debian...the wow factor if you will |
| 00:18.31 | Guerin | 100% pure certified bullshit |
| 00:18.32 | Deep6 | pipeline, market share is perhaps the wrong word, developer mind share |
| 00:18.36 | abrotman | Deep6: bullshit |
| 00:18.38 | maher | Deep6: do you have any understanding of how debian operates? |
| 00:18.47 | Deep6 | maher, yep |
| 00:18.49 | abrotman | Deep6: debian has been around longer than any except .. slackware |
| 00:18.55 | briareus | i know tons of new linux users who are running ubuntu and thought apt-get was a ubuntu invention. they are largely new linux users though |
| 00:18.58 | bucky | he just installed it yesterday |
| 00:19.03 | maher | Deep6: why do you make such blatantly false statements then? |
| 00:19.19 | Deep6 | maher, do you disagree that debian is bloated? |
| 00:19.23 | Guerin | briareus: there's no accounting for stupidity |
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| 00:19.27 | maher | Deep6: yes |
| 00:19.28 | abrotman | Deep6: i do |
| 00:19.35 | abrotman | Deep6: how is debian bloated |
| 00:19.44 | Deep6 | why did we just drop architectures? |
| 00:19.49 | Guerin | we did? |
| 00:19.56 | Guerin | wow, I didn't see that GR |
| 00:20.00 | Deep6 | yep s390 was dropped |
| 00:20.04 | abrotman | Deep6: nothing has been dropped . |
| 00:20.06 | Deep6 | and somethign else was |
| 00:20.07 | abrotman | Deep6: not it has not |
| 00:20.09 | maher | Deep6: reference |
| 00:20.14 | Deep6 | let me find it |
| 00:20.14 | Guerin | damn, things are really moving along fast |
| 00:20.20 | bucky | he ran tasksel and it bloated |
| 00:20.24 | abrotman | maher: he's referring to the *proposal* to not release arches |
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| 00:20.24 | Guerin | slashdot doesn't count |
| 00:20.43 | abrotman | which afaik .. has been pretty thoroughly dismissed |
| 00:21.17 | mwilson | briareus: Why do you care who they think invented apt-get? |
| 00:21.30 | Deep6 | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/03/14/debian_reduced/ |
| 00:21.42 | abrotman | Deep6: did you actually READ It ? |
| 00:21.48 | mwilson | abrotman: Of course not. |
| 00:21.54 | briareus | mwilson, i never said i cared, the discussion had a remark about ubuntu being the WOW factor of debian lately |
| 00:21.58 | Guerin | Deep6: can't muster an actual debian policy document? |
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| 00:22.08 | abrotman | Guerin: there isn't one |
| 00:22.13 | Guerin | or even a mailing list post, out of the 2000-entry thread on this very subject? |
| 00:22.17 | Guerin | exactly |
| 00:22.20 | Guerin | thee isn't one |
| 00:22.50 | Deep6 | well, I guess time will tell then won't it gentlemen |
| 00:22.57 | Deep6 | and ladies |
| 00:23.05 | Guerin | Deep6: you lose |
| 00:23.14 | maher | Deep6: you should get a job as a tech pundit |
| 00:23.15 | Deep6 | Guerin, it's not about win or lose |
| 00:23.26 | Guerin | Deep6: no, it's about understanding. |
| 00:23.29 | briareus | maher, you mean like Enderle? |
| 00:23.34 | Guerin | and not shooting your mouth off when you don't |
| 00:23.39 | abrotman | Guerin: Deep6 : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html .. and that's the farthest it's gotten .. NOT A DAMN THING HAS BEEN DROPPED |
| 00:23.40 | Deep6 | if sarge doesn't get released soon...why bother |
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| 00:23.55 | abrotman | Deep6: are you just here to troll? |
| 00:24.01 | bucky | Deep6, is a troll |
| 00:24.04 | Deep6 | hardly |
| 00:24.04 | cafuego | Should we vote to drop x86, as it's a shit arch...? |
| 00:24.04 | Guerin | Deep6: so don't bother... no loss to anyone |
| 00:24.04 | maher | Deep6: if you read but don't understand - why bother? |
| 00:24.16 | bucky | they can't read in canada |
| 00:24.19 | abrotman | Deep6: so go READ that email |
| 00:24.34 | Deep6 | I'm hoping to incite some sane debate |
| 00:24.35 | abrotman | stop spreading FUD |
| 00:24.44 | jonz | hmm is there an apt-get name for the 2.6 kernel or do you have to build it yourself |
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| 00:24.54 | bucky | Deep6, /join #ubuntu |
| 00:24.58 | abrotman | jonz: which version of debian? |
| 00:25.00 | Deep6 | abrotman, lets examine if everything is perfect on the home front why it was even proposed>? |
| 00:25.02 | cafuego | jonz: Not on woody, there is a 2.6.8 kernel-image in sarge. |
| 00:25.03 | jonz | sarge |
| 00:25.07 | Guerin | Deep6: start by saying sane things yourself. Talking shit never started any sort of sane debate. |
| 00:25.14 | Deep6 | bucky, for a moment, shut up |
| 00:25.18 | abrotman | jonz: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 00:25.22 | bucky | Deep6, you don't even use debian |
| 00:25.22 | jonz | ah thanks |
| 00:25.30 | abrotman | Deep6: you're obviously wrong .. why continue? |
| 00:25.33 | Deep6 | bucky yes.... I do |
| 00:25.38 | pipeline | Deep6: How about you install sarge, then come back when you have a question? |
| 00:25.42 | Deep6 | on nearly 40 machines |
| 00:25.45 | bucky | Deep6, ubuntu is not debian |
| 00:26.03 | abrotman | now come on .. he said he runs debian .. give him the benefit of the doubt :) |
| 00:26.04 | cafuego | bucky: Just coz the desktop runs Ubuntu doesn't mean the 360 amchine cluster doesn't run Debian. |
| 00:26.05 | Deep6 | @kasuto:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:26.05 | Deep6 | 3.1 |
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| 00:26.10 | Guerin | Deep6: the difference between debian and many other organisations, not just in software, is that debian's development is all public. All the arguments which would typically happen in boardrooms and smoke-filled bars happen on public mailing lists |
| 00:26.16 | abrotman | Deep6: fyi .. ubuntu says the same afaik |
| 00:26.34 | bucky | they have a 360 machine cluster in BC ? |
| 00:26.43 | pipeline | Deep6: uh, that file exists for the same reason that /etc/redhat_version exists on my Debian machine. |
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| 00:26.48 | pipeline | Deep6: Software installation scripts use it. |
| 00:26.49 | cafuego | bucky: wtf is BC? |
| 00:26.52 | abrotman | pipeline: oracle sucks ? |
| 00:26.55 | Deep6 | hey cafuego |
| 00:26.57 | abrotman | British Columbia |
| 00:26.58 | chealer | bucky: what's tour point? |
| 00:27.01 | bucky | british columbia |
| 00:27.02 | Guerin | Deep6: this means you get to see things working, and see them thrashed out. If you took as gospel everything you read on a debian-* mailing list, your head would explode from the contradictions |
| 00:27.10 | chealer | s/tour/your. expect that he's a troll |
| 00:27.11 | cafuego | bucky: How should I know, I'm in australia |
| 00:27.19 | bucky | i don't beleive him |
| 00:27.25 | abrotman | Guerin: (not entirely true .. lots of hidden channels on freenode) |
| 00:27.41 | chealer | bucky: you don't need to reply by more FUD |
| 00:27.42 | Deep6 | Guerin, I don't disagree in complete transparency, but there is an old addage about how long it takes to arrive at a consensus |
| 00:27.53 | bucky | short penis syndrome.. i've got a 360 machine cluster |
| 00:27.53 | abrotman | as long as it takes? |
| 00:28.04 | pipeline | Deep6: Yes, and that's the difference between a democratic process and a closed process. Now fuck off, eh? |
| 00:28.10 | Guerin | Deep6: a camel is a horse designed by committee - yeah |
| 00:28.19 | Deep6 | thanks Guerin |
| 00:28.23 | cafuego | bucky: All I'm saying is that just because someone runa debian-derived distro on one machine, doesn't mean they don't have up to 1000 others running actual debian. |
| 00:28.24 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:28.33 | abrotman | chealer: i'm surprised i haven't killed him :) |
| 00:28.38 | Deep6 | pipeline why don't you join bucky in some small minded circle |
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| 00:28.47 | chealer | abrotman: that's called prevention :) |
| 00:29.04 | bucky | Deep6, you haven't come here to do anything.. except feed your ego |
| 00:29.07 | Deep6 | bucky, firstly how do you think I use ubuntu in the first place? |
| 00:29.10 | abrotman | is the circle small .. or the minds ? |
| 00:29.19 | cafuego | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:29.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:29.50 | pipeline | Deep6: This being #debian and not #ubuntu, I'm free to say that Ubuntu and Canonical are filled with horse shit, and proceed from there to tell you to bugger off. That's the way it works, bud. I don't come into your channel and troll. |
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| 00:30.24 | Deep6 | bucky, I did actually wager support for briareus at one point..having felt the wrath of the debian collective in the past and used it as my soap box to mount |
| 00:30.33 | bucky | Deep6, i don't belong to your circle jerk |
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| 00:30.44 | abrotman | ok .. really |
| 00:30.55 | Guerin | i don't have anything explicit against ubuntu, except a vague resentment of the fact that some DDs are spending more time on it than on debian; I just require that the distinction be maintained in peoples' minds and actions |
| 00:31.15 | benjamindees | cafuego, if you think about it the reality of computer use is the opposite; there are far more desktops than servers in the world |
| 00:31.22 | webmaster_ | Hi, I installed Ubuntu but I want to change to Debian Sarge, I edited my sources.list file |
| 00:31.22 | pipeline | Guerin: I have an explicit grudge against Ubuntu: They're actively working to confuse the process and the product. |
| 00:31.33 | maher | Guerin: ubuntu pays people who contribute to debian - i think they end up doing more in the end |
| 00:31.37 | pipeline | webmaster_: You'll also need to do some "pinning" |
| 00:31.37 | abrotman | see ^^^^^^^^ |
| 00:31.42 | abrotman | webmaster_: #ubuntu |
| 00:31.44 | Guerin | pipeline: the process, I agree. The product? Which product? |
| 00:31.50 | abrotman | webmaster_: and you can't afaik |
| 00:31.50 | maher | pipeline: i think you're wrong - they're just another fork |
| 00:32.01 | abrotman | !d-i webmaster_ |
| 00:32.01 | dpkg | webmaster_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:32.01 | webmaster_ | but , there is a way to found ubuntu packages and remove them? |
| 00:32.03 | Guerin | maher: yeah, that's my point: it's a complex interaction. |
| 00:32.09 | Deep6 | Guerin, you've hit the nail on the head my friend, why are they spending more time on it...because they want recognition....and as ubuntu takes more and more people the more people will move to it for the larger recognition |
| 00:32.13 | abrotman | webmaster_: we don't know .. we're not #ubuntu |
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| 00:32.21 | benjamindees | Guerin, heh, which product indeed |
| 00:32.22 | abrotman | !d-i webmaster_ |
| 00:32.23 | dpkg | webmaster_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:32.26 | pipeline | Guerin: The great thing about Debian isn't the product, it's the process. The fact that it's run in a very democratic way -- All developers are more or less equal. Committees are run in the open. |
| 00:32.34 | Guerin | Deep6: itym "because canonical has a lot of seed money and is paying them" |
| 00:32.36 | abrotman | and debian isn't just linux |
| 00:32.44 | Guerin | pipeline: right. |
| 00:32.47 | cafuego | webmaster_: Back up your data files, reinstall from a sarge CD. |
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| 00:32.53 | pipeline | Guerin: Ubuntu says, hay, look, we have Debian, the product. It's great. They don't mention the elaborate process that produced it. |
| 00:32.57 | maher | Deep6: no |
| 00:33.20 | pipeline | Guerin: I mean, when all's said and done, Debian isn't *that* much better than say, Fedora or RHEL. It's more polished, but it's really that /process/ that matters. That commitment to doing things by the book. |
| 00:33.20 | Deep6 | I just don't want us to turn into please affix Debian to Ubuntu the same way stall man insists on the prefix GNU |
| 00:33.23 | Guerin | pipeline: ok. Your point is that it's a marketing hijack of an engineering marvel. |
| 00:33.38 | pipeline | Guerin: Well, I don't think it's the engineering that's important, either. It's the organization. |
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| 00:33.48 | Deep6 | ie Debian/Ubuntu...or to appease Stallman GNU/Debian/Ubuntu |
| 00:33.58 | abrotman | Perhaps Ubuntu should have done the same thing that Ximian did years ago .. just provide a source that replaces 25% of your shit |
| 00:34.01 | maher | Deep6: you have no idea |
| 00:34.03 | pipeline | Guerin: Ubuntu is run by a privately-held corporation. Debian is run by committees of dedicated individuals. |
| 00:34.08 | abrotman | benjamindees: the wait is long |
| 00:34.14 | Guerin | pipeline: I see. The policy. |
| 00:34.20 | xam | benjamindees: are you a debian maintainer? |
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| 00:34.33 | benjamindees | pipeline, Debian is much better than Fedora for certain things; RH charges for RHEL for a reason... |
| 00:34.38 | Deep6 | maher, we shall have to see how it unfolds, but in less time than it took to put out sarge ubuntu has put out 2 releases |
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| 00:34.47 | maher | Deep6: so what? |
| 00:34.50 | pipeline | Guerin: not the policy, either. Ubuntu has policies that make statements about freedom. Ubuntu has a great product based around the same infrastructure. Ubuntu CAN'T fake the democratic process. |
| 00:34.51 | benjamindees | xam, no, I wonder whether I'd qualify |
| 00:35.10 | Deep6 | maher, like it or not people perceive releases as progress...funny that |
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| 00:35.13 | webmaster_ | cafuego: Sarge dont install on mac G5 systems |
| 00:35.15 | jetx | #discussotherdistors |
| 00:35.15 | Guerin | pipeline: heh, the policy DEFINES the debian process. I'm in agreement with you. |
| 00:35.26 | bucky | Deep6, two releases and it's still Sid |
| 00:35.30 | cafuego | benjamindees: Yes. They charge becasue a CEO wouldn't believe a FREE product could be any good <heh> |
| 00:35.46 | cafuego | webmaster_: Why not? the installer is identical. Just make it boot a 2.6 kernel. |
| 00:36.01 | maher | Deep6: who are these people - who cares what they think? |
| 00:36.35 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 00:36.35 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 00:36.49 | Deep6 | users maher, users, because at the end of the day....debian won't be much of anything if it has no userbase.... |
| 00:37.07 | webmaster_ | cafuego: mm, no, the sarge even dont boot on a G5, I tried a loot of times before install with ubuntu |
| 00:37.11 | maher | Deep6: that's just wrong |
| 00:37.11 | toukitsune | !mips |
| 00:37.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, mips is (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. or a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. or Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #MIPSLinux. |
| 00:37.14 | benjamindees | cafuego, also because Fedora has real problems for real users, a 6 month release schedule being the most important |
| 00:37.20 | Guerin | Deep6: actually, it's more about developer base |
| 00:37.24 | Guerin | but the two are connected |
| 00:37.25 | maher | Deep6: debian needs developers - how many users does openbsd have? |
| 00:37.28 | pipeline | abrotman: So, what does it take to get someone klined around here. |
| 00:37.42 | Deep6 | Guerin, true and how rigid are we about admitting new dd's? |
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| 00:37.54 | Guerin | Deep6: quality > quantity |
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| 00:38.01 | chealer | Deep6: we? are you one? |
| 00:38.05 | Guerin | Deep6: and whadayamean "we", white man? |
| 00:38.10 | cafuego | benjamindees: Yes, but they only have release schedules because people don't see adaily dist-upgrade of 20Mb of software as "new product". You can't blame debian for user's idiocy. |
| 00:38.27 | abrotman | pipeline: you can call ops .. but you're at risk for getting kicked yourself :) |
| 00:38.45 | abrotman | pipeline: to get klined .. you have to prove he's being totally abusive to the network in general |
| 00:38.57 | cureless | debian does need faster stable release cycles, I would be happy with an 18 month release cycle. |
| 00:38.58 | concept10 | bejamindees: What is wrong with a six month release schedule |
| 00:38.59 | bucky | Deep6, i see no atrition of a user base here |
| 00:39.04 | pipeline | abrotman: Ah, yes, this is Freenode, and not Ars or Slashnet. Ops are not as capricious. |
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| 00:39.13 | Guerin | concept10: insufficient time for stabilid\sation |
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| 00:39.19 | Deep6 | atrition? do you know what that word means? |
| 00:39.21 | CompWizrd | concept10: servers. |
| 00:39.26 | cafuego | benjamindees: See, at the end of the day I *have* replaced compromised fedora/redhat machines, which had completely out-of-date hole-ridden software, but not Debian ones. |
| 00:39.31 | abrotman | pipeline: you can call them |
| 00:39.35 | jonz | anyone got any ideas? debian with kernel 2.6 hangs the system on reboot, with or without acpi or apic. |
| 00:39.42 | abrotman | pipeline: but you've not been exactly saintly :) |
| 00:39.42 | benjamindees | cafuego, it's because to RH, Fedora is just a preview of their actual product, RHEL |
| 00:39.49 | jonz | apparently it's not just fedora that has this problem, must be kernel-related |
| 00:39.51 | Guerin | i don't believe a time-based schedule is the way, though stabl releases need to be worked on with a higher priority than they currently are |
| 00:39.52 | maher | concept10: there's nothing wrong with that - but the things that need to be fixed for sarge aren't fixed yet - so there's no point releasing this minute |
| 00:40.03 | concept10 | CompWizrd: would you upgrade a stable server every six months? |
| 00:40.06 | mbreen | So my machine (sid) is in an interesting state. It seems that any su, sudo, or login attempt hangs after I give the password. |
| 00:40.16 | CompWizrd | concept10: no. |
| 00:40.18 | jhares | i do: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=1.0 kernel_image and then: dpkg -i ../kernel-image.... WHAT i must do to create initrd?? |
| 00:40.22 | abrotman | pipeline: you've never seen anyone call ops ? |
| 00:40.25 | cureless | jonz: what kind of hang? |
| 00:40.31 | cafuego | jhares: man make-kpkg |
| 00:40.36 | CompWizrd | i found potato to woody to not be long enough |
| 00:40.38 | Guerin | jhares: add --initrd |
| 00:40.39 | concept10 | CompWizrd: No problem at all, then. |
| 00:40.41 | pipeline | abrotman: Well, I'm a bastard. |
| 00:40.49 | Guerin | to the make-kpkg line |
| 00:40.50 | CompWizrd | i'm not looking forward to woody to sarge |
| 00:40.52 | jonz | cureless it just says 'rebooting system' then hangs |
| 00:40.54 | pipeline | abrotman: And he's shut up, so now it doesn't much matter, eh? |
| 00:40.55 | Deep6 | pipeline, apologies to your mother |
| 00:40.55 | abrotman | pipeline: que? |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | oh .. maybe not |
| 00:41.04 | Guerin | oh ffs |
| 00:41.07 | cureless | jonz: do a hard reboot, where does it hang? |
| 00:41.13 | Guerin | Deep6: at least pretend to not insult people |
| 00:41.15 | cafuego | jonz: Broken bios, just hit reset. |
| 00:41.18 | abrotman | Deep6: really .. please stop |
| 00:41.24 | abrotman | and the rest of you too |
| 00:41.26 | Deep6 | Guerin, very well |
| 00:41.30 | briareus | Ive been running linux for three years, and debian for a month. i've chosen debian as my dedicated microcontroller-programmer machine. |
| 00:41.31 | maher | Deep6: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/03/14/fedora_makes_rapid_progress.html <-- where's the attrition? |
| 00:41.32 | jonz | ya well this is a server, so just hitting reset won't do it |
| 00:41.33 | Guerin | Deep6: unless you want to take on #debian's all-star abuse team |
| 00:41.44 | abrotman | briareus: really? |
| 00:41.47 | bucky | jhares, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 00:41.50 | jonz | there's got to be a workaround |
| 00:42.09 | Deep6 | Guerin, I've bathed in their swill before, but actually I do have to return to my admin tasks.... |
| 00:42.14 | concept10 | maher: you dont like Fedora? |
| 00:42.16 | cafuego | jonz: Yeh, make the manufacturer release a bios with non-broken ACPI. |
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| 00:42.18 | Guerin | run along now |
| 00:42.26 | maher | concept10: nothing wrong with fedora |
| 00:42.28 | jhares | Guerin: and i need initrd to start new kernel? |
| 00:42.31 | Deep6 | Guerin, I think we did come to a small section of common ground though yes? |
| 00:42.31 | jonz | cafuego i was hoping there's something i could do with the kernel to compensate |
| 00:42.33 | Tester | is there anyway to send files from a windows machine to debian easily? |
| 00:42.34 | briareus | abrotman, yeah |
| 00:42.44 | Guerin | jhares: no, if you build it right it's likely you don't need one |
| 00:42.45 | briareus | but for sheer fun i prefer mandrake |
| 00:43.00 | jonz | it's much easier to be a smartass than actually offer some useful information, so unless you have something constructuve to contribute, please just stop talking |
| 00:43.00 | cureless | jonz: there are ways to reboot without really rebooting, but that's avoinding the problem. Did you compile your own kernel? |
| 00:43.03 | abrotman | briareus: eww :) |
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| 00:43.08 | Guerin | Deep6: what's that? You've not demonstrated you've understood anything... |
| 00:43.19 | jonz | no this is debian's kernel |
| 00:43.20 | DutchFish | jonz : what machine & mobo? |
| 00:43.21 | MobyTurbo | briareus: Mandrake is the only distro I've tried that I hated outright. |
| 00:43.25 | briareus | its funner to me, but deb seems just more professional |
| 00:43.25 | bucky | Deep6, i've common to a common ground with you.. i think your an arse and likewise... |
| 00:43.29 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: hehe |
| 00:43.34 | jonz | it's a chaintech motherboard w/celeron p4 |
| 00:43.38 | jonz | just a cheap little server |
| 00:43.47 | Guerin | jonz: actually, that's a good piece of advice. If people didn't buy broken hardware, manufacturers might make stuff that worked. |
| 00:43.50 | smacnay_ | after loading my scanner (scsi) a few times and needing to remove (force) the scsi card module each time due a sane back-end freeze. The scsi device that gets used on each successive reload ,oves up a number (/ev/sg0 -> /dev/sg1 etc). How can I reset this so that the next time I use the scsi module, it will use /dev/sg0 again? |
| 00:43.51 | briareus | i can fixabout any problem i have in mandrake, not so, yet, in deb |
| 00:44.01 | jonz | Guerin well that doesn't help me tonight unfortunately :( |
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| 00:44.14 | cureless | jonz: so you can't shutdown or reboot. You tried acpi on and off (in kernel and as acpid)? |
| 00:44.15 | Guerin | jonz: heh |
| 00:44.22 | DutchFish | jonz: tried disabling usb in bios? |
| 00:44.25 | jonz | yup |
| 00:44.29 | jonz | yup usb disabled now |
| 00:44.36 | jonz | only does it when there's no keyboard :\ |
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| 00:44.43 | jonz | and i need to be able to ship these to run headless |
| 00:44.47 | briareus | these font problems, for instance, seem unbelievably complex, this whole defoma thing... never had a font problem in another distro. |
| 00:44.48 | Deep6 | Guerin, I think it's imperative that we need to foster more nm's and that there needs to be a better mentoring process, if you've ever borne witness to Overfiend in action you'll understand why I find it laughable that he's up for election |
| 00:44.49 | DutchFish | jonz: ps2 keyb? |
| 00:44.53 | nite613 | If I have a machine with 1G of RAM, is it normal to show only 879 of it? /proc/meminfo shows a total of 92273868 and I can't figure out what's up |
| 00:44.54 | jonz | yep |
| 00:45.02 | maher | smacnay_: do you have rescan-scsi-bus? |
| 00:45.04 | CompWizrd | nite613: highmem |
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| 00:45.07 | abrotman | nite613: woody? |
| 00:45.16 | Guerin | Tester: run an ftp or http server on the debian machine and a client on the windows machine |
| 00:45.21 | nite613 | yeah, woody |
| 00:45.24 | dottedquad | can you install madwifi without using the cvs install? |
| 00:45.25 | dvs | CompBrain: HIGHMEM.SYS? ;-) |
| 00:45.26 | bucky | jonz, did you apt-get a new kernel-image ? |
| 00:45.28 | Guerin | it's much easier than setting up samba, if you only need one-way |
| 00:45.34 | abrotman | nite613: time to recompile .. woody doesn't support HIGHMEM with any kernel |
| 00:45.34 | MobyTurbo | Deep6: overfiend is not "up for" election, he's elected. |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | !tell nite613 about kp |
| 00:45.39 | maher | Deep6: volunteer to process nms |
| 00:45.44 | briareus | Im kinda surprised that sarge installs with such fugly fonts, but hey, its not a big big deal to me. |
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| 00:45.53 | Deep6 | MobyTurbo, you're kidding me...... |
| 00:45.54 | CompWizrd | abrotman: with any debian kernel? |
| 00:45.58 | MobyTurbo | Deep6: /topic |
| 00:46.00 | nite613 | Ahhh.... thanks |
| 00:46.00 | abrotman | CompWizrd: not for sarge |
| 00:46.00 | DutchFish | jonz: i had same problem with my D330 Celeron |
| 00:46.02 | abrotman | err |
| 00:46.03 | abrotman | shit |
| 00:46.08 | abrotman | CompWizrd: i mean . .not for woody |
| 00:46.09 | Guerin | Deep6: it was close, but he's in. |
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| 00:46.36 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: make them stop! |
| 00:46.39 | jharrison | anyone know of anything as good as acidlab for snort but newer? |
| 00:46.40 | Deep6 | there is no hope for humanity, or debian now it'll be crushed under his ego alone |
| 00:46.50 | FieldySnuts | them? |
| 00:46.52 | abrotman | jharrison: LSD!! |
| 00:46.57 | nite613 | abrotman: What's the max I can get without recompiling the kernel? |
| 00:47.02 | jharrison | abrotman: :) |
| 00:47.03 | Guerin | Deep6: and all I can do is echo maher |
| 00:47.04 | Azar | huh biareus, what ugly fonts? I just upgraded to sarge and I have same fonts I used to have in woody |
| 00:47.05 | abrotman | nite613: exactly what you're looking at |
| 00:47.07 | cureless | if ego crushed os openbsd wouldn't exist :-) |
| 00:47.07 | jharrison | abrotman: not that kind of acid |
| 00:47.09 | chealer | Deep6: "we need"? are you a DD? |
| 00:47.09 | dvs | nite613: 960MB |
| 00:47.24 | nite613 | dvs: 879 appartly. |
| 00:47.30 | Tester | Guerin: what about from windows to debian, its under localhost so hopefull that will be fast |
| 00:47.39 | Deep6 | chealer, I tried to be at one point....but I didn't have the time nor the pound of flesh to spare.... |
| 00:47.41 | maher | cureless: nor would resierfs |
| 00:47.53 | Guerin | Tester: if you need two-way, set up samba. It worked with windows' file sharing |
| 00:47.59 | Guerin | Tester: /j #samba |
| 00:48.06 | chealer | Deep6: so don't use that term |
| 00:48.07 | nite613 | When running 2.4.18-bf after install it should 896M of ram, but now with 2.4.18-smp I see 879, weird |
| 00:48.11 | Tester | alright, thanks |
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| 00:48.28 | Deep6 | chealer, be an elitist then, I was speaking of the "community" |
| 00:48.33 | nite613 | s/should/showed |
| 00:48.43 | briareus | so i ran fc-cache -vv, it found hundreds of fonts. xfontsel also shows hundreds of fonts. but fontconfig (fc-list) and kde font menu still show only like about 20. what can I do here. defoma is totally beyond me, and I have already run dpkg-reconfigure defoma to no effect. any ideas? |
| 00:48.53 | Azar | nite613 after install some of the garbage gets flushed |
| 00:49.02 | Guerin | Deep6: this is a community of individuals. Instead of whining about it, try to do something about it. |
| 00:49.03 | chealer | Deep6: I'll be an elitist |
| 00:49.13 | Deep6 | Guerin and maher that is correct |
| 00:49.16 | dvs | nite613: What kernel are you running? |
| 00:49.16 | Guerin | if your opinions and actions have enough merit, they'll take hold |
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| 00:49.18 | CompWizrd | i'm using highmem on a SMP kernel, and i get 1008 meg, but it's self compiled |
| 00:49.20 | maher | some people volunteer to do the work - others don't |
| 00:49.29 | nite613 | Azar: I'm talking about reported memor totals, not free mem |
| 00:49.35 | nite613 | CompWizrd: Cool |
| 00:49.37 | chealer | !win Guerin |
| 00:49.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the US presidency! |
| 00:49.47 | xam | !beer xam |
| 00:49.52 | Azar | nite613 ah I see :) |
| 00:49.58 | kreg | hmm note to self |
| 00:50.02 | kreg | dinner and fear factor do not mix. |
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| 00:50.25 | Azar | !huggle Azar |
| 00:50.29 | Deep6 | Guerin, I'll concede to that. |
| 00:50.37 | Tester | Guerin: im only going from windows to debian, what about a windows ftp server? |
| 00:50.43 | abrotman | kreg: only if you're eating the same thing they are :) |
| 00:50.45 | Tester | i mean whats a good, very simple one |
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| 00:50.49 | benjamindees | Azar, this isn't #kde, we don't put up with that huggle crap |
| 00:50.49 | Guerin | Tester: eew |
| 00:50.49 | CompWizrd | tester: you could try winscp |
| 00:50.54 | pipeline | Tester: There's no such thing as a good FTP server. |
| 00:51.03 | briareus | great, no one has an idea |
| 00:51.05 | kreg | lol |
| 00:51.12 | nite613 | dvs: 2.4.18-1-686-smp |
| 00:51.12 | abrotman | Tester: why do you want an ftp server? |
| 00:51.21 | Tester | its going to be through localhost and i don't know how to use samba |
| 00:51.23 | zignig | pipeline: proftpd is good , but imho webdav is a better option ofr file access. |
| 00:51.28 | dvs | nite613: OK, as long as it's not one of the installation kernels |
| 00:51.29 | abrotman | briareus: did you ask #debian-kde? |
| 00:51.34 | maher | Tester: what's wrong with scp / sftp |
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| 00:51.37 | briareus | abrotman, yes, no help there |
| 00:51.39 | Deep6 | sadly, I personally don't have the time and my contribution if you will is to dwell here and try to dispell the ivory tower imagery occaisonally and help users |
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| 00:51.54 | briareus | and in #kde they told me to come here |
| 00:51.55 | Tester | i don't know what they are or how to use them, is that the putty scp? |
| 00:51.56 | DutchFish | maher: vsftp? |
| 00:52.09 | maher | DutchFish: no sftp - ftp over ssh |
| 00:52.10 | abrotman | briareus: the normal kde people aren't here i guess |
| 00:52.35 | briareus | ok |
| 00:52.42 | cafuego | They all eloped to Gnome. |
| 00:52.43 | abrotman | briareus: moment |
| 00:53.00 | abrotman | briareus: wow .. apt-cache search kde font .. shows nothing |
| 00:53.13 | chealer | benjamindees: I'm not sure what you're talking about though |
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| 00:53.23 | cureless | briareus: what's your question? |
| 00:53.30 | abrotman | yay .. |
| 00:53.36 | briareus | may i repost for cureless to see? |
| 00:53.40 | ledestin | Deep6: we just have our servers on testing. Other than that Debian is very good. |
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| 00:53.43 | abrotman | cureless: he has no fonts in kde |
| 00:53.49 | briareus | so i ran fc-cache -vv, it found hundreds of fonts. xfontsel also shows hundreds of fonts. but fontconfig (fc-list) and kde font menu still show only like about 20. what can I do here. defoma is totally beyond me, and I have already run dpkg-reconfigure defoma to no effect. any ideas? |
| 00:53.54 | cafuego | Not the defoma ones anyway. |
| 00:53.57 | pipeline | Tester: If you just install samba and set a password for your user account with "smbpasswd," samba will "just work" with no bullshitting around. |
| 00:53.59 | briareus | i have about 20 total usable fonts |
| 00:54.05 | pipeline | Tester: And Samba is much more secure than FTP. |
| 00:54.13 | pipeline | Tester: Alternatively, use "winscp" on the windows end of things. |
| 00:54.16 | Deep6 | ledestin, I'm in a similar position |
| 00:54.16 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm not sure about that |
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| 00:54.31 | abrotman | Tester: you can also try filezilla |
| 00:54.34 | pipeline | abrotman: The out-of-the-box debian configuration is sane and shares home directories. |
| 00:54.37 | cureless | briareus: hmm, haven't encountered that, did you start by trying to log in as a different user and/or delete your .kde files? (or back them up somewhere else?) |
| 00:54.54 | silverton | hey, guys, sid == unstable, and sarge == testing? |
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| 00:54.57 | briareus | cureless, i can lose it all, its a fresh sarge install |
| 00:55.10 | dvs | silverton: yup, for now |
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| 00:55.13 | cureless | briareus: you don't have fonts on a fresh sarge install? |
| 00:55.24 | cureless | briareus: hmmm. What installer did you use? |
| 00:55.25 | jonz | Sorry got disconnected. About this hang-on-reboot issue, is there any kind of workaround? |
| 00:55.31 | briareus | cureless, only about 20 or so in kde menu / fontconfig |
| 00:55.32 | silverton | so, if I wanted to go from sarge to sid, I change "testing" in my sources.list to "unstable" ? |
| 00:55.37 | bucky | jonz, did you apt-get a new kernel-image ? |
| 00:55.39 | Deep6 | abrotman, thanks for the candid discussion, thank Guerin as well if he should return..... I have to get back to my audit preparation |
| 00:55.43 | briareus | i used the 100M cdrom from 3april2005 |
| 00:55.46 | jonz | bucky yup, 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 00:55.49 | abrotman | Deep6: you don't hate me? :) |
| 00:55.52 | benjamindees | chealer, maher is soliciting volunteers; you are discouraging them |
| 00:55.53 | DutchFish | jonz: probably not.. ts bios related |
| 00:56.02 | dvs | silverton: Yes, but if your asking it's probably not a good idea |
| 00:56.03 | jonz | the 2.4 kernel works fine it's 2.6, and unfortunately i need 2.6 to have SATA support (right?) |
| 00:56.07 | briareus | installed defoma during the system install cureless |
| 00:56.10 | Deep6 | briareus, the only thing I can impart to you is that /usr/share/doc is your friend...and to grow a thick skin |
| 00:56.11 | briareus | if that matters |
| 00:56.12 | abrotman | jonz: depends on the controller |
| 00:56.13 | silverton | dvs, I was just making sure :P |
| 00:56.15 | Tester | thanks pipeline and abrotman, i'm just going to test all those out, see which is fastest/easiest |
| 00:56.25 | abrotman | Tester: my bosses can use filezilla |
| 00:56.31 | chealer | benjamindees: hum...you can develop if you want. I'm very interested of how you perceive me that way |
| 00:56.36 | bucky | jonz, did you edit your boot manager with the line initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686 ? |
| 00:56.40 | chealer | s/how/why |
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| 00:56.56 | jonz | the apt-get handled the boot manager settings |
| 00:57.09 | abrotman | bucky: he shouldn't have to |
| 00:57.10 | Deep6 | abrotman, hardly.....you managed to conduct yourself in a dignified manner, which I can't say was shared among your colleagues |
| 00:57.13 | bucky | jonz, so they are in grub |
| 00:57.15 | pipeline | Tester: Well, Samba is very, very slow. SCP is probably the lowest-overhead option. Another alternative is installing Microsoft Services for UNIX and using NFS. NFS is the fastest but most complicated one to set up. |
| 00:57.22 | smacnay_ | maher: I am not sure if I have that... I will look. |
| 00:57.24 | jonz | bucky i had this problem with fedora core too - it seems kernel related, i was hoping there was something i could tweak |
| 00:57.37 | cureless | briareus: so fc-list just shows you a few fonts? |
| 00:57.43 | bucky | maybe noapic or something |
| 00:57.47 | pipeline | Tester: The problem with windows filesharing is that the overhead for individual files is huge. Copying a CD image, Samba and NFS will be about the same speed. Copying 10,000 1kb files will take an hour or two with Windows filesharing. |
| 00:57.49 | briareus | cureless, yes, the same few in kde font menu |
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| 00:57.58 | abrotman | Deep6: shit happens .. underwear gets in a bunch .. :) |
| 00:57.59 | benjamindees | chealer, you wrote all of two lines, and managed to come off as most people perceive Debian: exclusive |
| 00:58.06 | jonz | yeah i tried acpi=off and noapic |
| 00:58.10 | jonz | neither help :( |
| 00:58.11 | abrotman | Deep6: on another day .. it could have been me tearing into you :) |
| 00:58.21 | smacnay_ | maher: what is rescan-scsi-bus ? a script or some file in the file system? |
| 00:58.28 | maher | smacnay_: its in scsitools <-- it may not help anyway |
| 00:58.34 | neo50 | hi maher |
| 00:58.36 | bucky | jonz, maybe abrotman can help you.. i've had a lot of bad experiences with grub |
| 00:58.41 | neo50 | thanks for your help |
| 00:58.45 | neo50 | wuth the printer |
| 00:58.48 | silverton | Err http://security.debian.org unstable/updates/main Packages |
| 00:58.48 | silverton | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.49 | silverton | ???? |
| 00:58.50 | chealer | benjamindees: what I didn't emphasis enough is that being a DD doesn't excuse to use a term such as "we" in FLOSS talk. and I'm *not* a DD |
| 00:58.51 | neo50 | with the printer |
| 00:58.52 | jonz | bucky well if it were grub it wouldn't work with 2.4 |
| 00:58.53 | abrotman | jonz: can you boot the old kernel or is it remote ? |
| 00:58.58 | neo50 | I fix it |
| 00:58.58 | jonz | the hang is on the way down |
| 00:59.00 | maher | neo50: glad something worked :) |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | jonz: grub works with 2.4 |
| 00:59.06 | jonz | yeah i'm back in the old kernel |
| 00:59.08 | cafuego | silverton: You typoed. |
| 00:59.12 | neo50 | it prints perfectly now |
| 00:59.18 | jonz | it doesn't freeze on boot, it freezes where it says "rebooting system" |
| 00:59.22 | smacnay_ | maher: I found it. I will play with it - thanks. |
| 00:59.23 | cafuego | silverton: Not to mention that unstable has no updates. |
| 00:59.34 | silverton | cafuego, hmm...good point |
| 00:59.36 | jonz | it never actually reboots; i read something that says it's because the old kernel sends suspend() where the new one sends poweroff() i dunno though :\ |
| 00:59.41 | dvs | silverton: unstable doesn't have security updates |
| 00:59.44 | maher | smacnay_: i have had a similar problem - i'm not sure i ever fixed it but i recall playing with that |
| 00:59.57 | DutchFish | jonz: its bios related |
| 01:00.06 | neo50 | hey jonz |
| 01:00.09 | jonz | DutchFish Yeah i'm sure it is, but there's got to be a workaround somewhere |
| 01:00.12 | silverton | well, actually, instead of going unstable, I need a more recent kernel, and I was wondering where I might find one in a deb package |
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| 01:00.20 | silverton | I have 2.6.8-2 |
| 01:00.21 | chealer | !tell silverton about iyhtays |
| 01:00.28 | neo50 | I think the problem you have is that you areusing a very unstable kernel |
| 01:00.29 | xam | jonz: have you tried nolapic? on a laptop of a friend of mine neither 'noacpi' nor 'noapic' helps, but 'nolapic' does |
| 01:00.29 | chealer | silverton: way to go |
| 01:00.32 | maher | silverton: if you're running sarge you may be able to install a sid kernel |
| 01:00.34 | crashbg | hey why can't i put wget to background? |
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| 01:00.40 | abrotman | wget -b -c |
| 01:00.40 | jonz | hmm i'll try it |
| 01:00.40 | crashbg | it stops |
| 01:00.43 | jonz | what is the 'l' |
| 01:00.45 | chealer | silverton: this factoid was because you wanted to go sid |
| 01:00.45 | crashbg | 10x :) |
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| 01:00.53 | neo50 | In fact the other day |
| 01:00.57 | silverton | chealer, yeah, lol, it's all good :) |
| 01:01.03 | adexta | how do i get sound working in QT movies? |
| 01:01.09 | chealer | !tell silverton about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 01:01.11 | xam | jonz: don't ask me, I'm hacking on other parts of the kernel ;) |
| 01:01.16 | neo50 | I tested kernel 2.6.10-1.2.6.11-1.and 2.6.12 |
| 01:01.32 | neo50 | the 3 doesn't work as good as 2.6.8-2 |
| 01:01.45 | chealer | !kernel |
| 01:01.47 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.7, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc2, 2.4: 2.4.30, snapshot: 2.4.30-bk2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc2-mm3 |
| 01:01.51 | neo50 | at least in my machine |
| 01:01.55 | cureless | briareus: have you tried rebuilding the fontconfig cache? try fc-cache |
| 01:01.58 | chealer | uh, 2.6.12 isn't even released |
| 01:01.59 | maher | neo50: if the most recent kernel has regressions its worth filing bugs |
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| 01:02.19 | cureless | briareus: btw, I'm not an expert in font config info, but since I'm using kde I'm just trying to help |
| 01:02.23 | neo50 | yes I know that |
| 01:02.25 | briareus | cureless, yes, i did fc-cache -vv, showed it finding hundreds |
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| 01:02.32 | neo50 | but what I mean is that |
| 01:02.33 | mngrif | chealer: the prepatch is |
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| 01:02.38 | cureless | briareus: and fc-list still doesn't show them? |
| 01:02.40 | neo50 | a newer kerne |
| 01:02.40 | briareus | cureless, then said it was succesful |
| 01:02.42 | neo50 | l |
| 01:02.50 | briareus | cureless, fc-list still is unchanged |
| 01:02.57 | neo50 | doesn't mean always stability and compability |
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| 01:03.04 | chealer | mngrif: prepatch=rc? |
| 01:03.19 | Quinn_Storm | hey, I just recently set up a debian mailserver using the "mail server" task (exim, imapd, qpopper, etc.) and I was wondering...when I connect to an account with imap, it lists everything in the account user's home folder as imap folders/items. is there any reasoning for this? do I have something misconfigured? or is it only designed to be used with non-login users? |
| 01:03.20 | chealer | neo50: of course it doesn't |
| 01:03.24 | chealer | !kernel of instability |
| 01:03.24 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 01:03.31 | adexta | i'm having trouble getting sound to work when playing back quicktime movies in KDE with xine on sarge |
| 01:03.36 | chealer | maybe it used to in 2.4 |
| 01:03.47 | mngrif | chealer: yep |
| 01:03.47 | silverton | duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to sid |
| 01:03.50 | silverton | ehhhh!? |
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| 01:04.04 | silverton | as in, copy my sources, paste at the end, and change testing to stble? |
| 01:04.28 | jonz | hmm with nolapic, it hangs on boot - hda: lost interrupt |
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| 01:04.42 | neo50 | ahhh |
| 01:04.45 | chealer | mngrif: I wouldn't call a foo x RC a foo x release |
| 01:04.52 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 01:05.00 | eleusis | ahoy there |
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| 01:05.12 | linoleum | hi guys, how can I install GNome desktop with aptitude?? |
| 01:05.17 | cureless | briareus: do you have some fonts.cache-1 files (under the font directories, i.e.find /usr/local/share/ -name "fonts.cache*") |
| 01:05.24 | neo50 | what sort of hard drive do you have jonz |
| 01:05.32 | Quinn_Storm | anyone know anything about this? |
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| 01:05.39 | madclicker | linoleum: base-config |
| 01:05.42 | cureless | briareus: if so, do they list a bunch of fonts or not? |
| 01:05.51 | briareus | /usr/local/share/fonts/fonts.cache-1 |
| 01:05.54 | briareus | lists that one |
| 01:05.59 | crashbg | nothing interesting for me in 6.12 :) |
| 01:06.01 | chealer | madclicker: isn't this overkill? |
| 01:06.12 | cureless | briareus: so no others? you have a problem. |
| 01:06.20 | briareus | cureless, hmmm |
| 01:06.36 | linoleum | madclicker: ho yeas cool tkx |
| 01:06.43 | madclicker | chealer: thats the only way i know how , sorry |
| 01:06.45 | cureless | briareus: or maybe not... |
| 01:06.47 | neo50 | maher I've got a question |
| 01:06.47 | chealer | linoleum: you install the same packages as with any package manager frontend |
| 01:06.55 | chealer | !tell linoleum about install gnome |
| 01:06.57 | maher | neo50: ask - i have an answer |
| 01:07.03 | neo50 | jaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 01:07.03 | cureless | briareus: /me is trying to check on other systems... |
| 01:07.11 | neo50 | ok look |
| 01:07.18 | madclicker | chealer: i guess it worked :) |
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| 01:07.41 | jonz | hmm nolapic seems to be for multiple cpus |
| 01:07.41 | neo50 | When gnome 2.10 is ging to appear for debian |
| 01:07.43 | chealer | madclicker: maybe you were thinking of tasksel (which is still overkill for only installing gnome) |
| 01:07.48 | sreeganesh | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v686/lyslys/hahahaa.jpg |
| 01:07.52 | neo50 | bacause a upgraded my source list |
| 01:07.53 | dvs | !smite neo50 |
| 01:07.54 | neo50 | to sid |
| 01:07.58 | maher | neo50: no one has packaged it yet |
| 01:07.59 | briareus | thanks cureless i appreciate it |
| 01:08.05 | neo50 | ok |
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| 01:08.10 | silverton | where is a sid package list? |
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| 01:08.50 | madclicker | chealer: dunno, i just instaled debian myself, and let me tell you two words "frickin tough" |
| 01:08.54 | travisat | silverton: packages.debian.org |
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| 01:09.04 | chealer | madclicker: ok |
| 01:09.06 | MobyTurbo | madclicker: you should have used d-i |
| 01:09.06 | silverton | travisat, thanks much |
| 01:09.25 | Pepina | madclicker, what's tough ? |
| 01:09.28 | madclicker | MobyTurbo: hmmm? |
| 01:09.31 | neo50 | And my second question is that rencently |
| 01:09.34 | MobyTurbo | !d-i madclicker |
| 01:09.34 | dpkg | madclicker, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:09.38 | neo50 | i installed rosegarden4 |
| 01:09.49 | neo50 | and it has given me a lot of problems |
| 01:10.00 | maher | neo50: i never promised you a rose garden |
| 01:10.03 | madclicker | Pepina: where do u want me to start :)? |
| 01:10.09 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 01:10.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:10.19 | Pepina | is it a driver support thing? |
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| 01:10.39 | Pepina | !gentoosmite MobyTurbo |
| 01:10.42 | Pepina | :P |
| 01:10.43 | maher | neo50: sorry - i don't know anything about rosegarden |
| 01:10.46 | chealer | is there a website for APT's development? |
| 01:10.53 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 01:10.53 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:10.59 | cureless | briareus: hmm, I'm sort of lost. In some systems fc-list gives me 'bout 20 or so, in others I get 'bout 200. I have defoma on both, the main difference is I have ttf-freefont and probably some other TT fonts. |
| 01:11.01 | linoleum | Can I install KDE and Gnome desktop on the same computer? |
| 01:11.06 | neo50 | I installed it so that i could save the songs i compose with my synthesizer |
| 01:11.06 | madclicker | Pepina: modules, networking, etc... |
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| 01:11.10 | dvs | linoleum: yup |
| 01:11.11 | maher | linoleum: yes |
| 01:11.11 | chealer | linoleum: sure, tasksel does it |
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| 01:11.14 | neo50 | so i tested brahms |
| 01:11.21 | briareus | cureless, thanks for trying... i dont know what to make of it :) |
| 01:11.24 | neo50 | which is not so good |
| 01:11.40 | cureless | briareus: try installing some tt fonts and see if they show up. |
| 01:11.48 | briareus | how do i do that |
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| 01:12.07 | briareus | apt-cache search ttfont? |
| 01:12.20 | linoleum | Ok, well, it seam, under SID , that there is a but with Gnome package : aptitude install gnome gives me error about gnome-office that cannot be installed ... |
| 01:12.36 | abrotman | briareus: how did you install kde? |
| 01:12.40 | maher | linoleum: have you tried using tasksel |
| 01:12.40 | chealer | linoleum: are you using sid? |
| 01:12.41 | MobyTurbo | briareus: apt-cache search '^ttf' |
| 01:12.52 | linoleum | maher: no I didn't |
| 01:13.01 | linoleum | chealer: yes SID actually |
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| 01:13.03 | maher | linoleum: anyway - sid may just be broken atm |
| 01:13.06 | cureless | abrotman: it's supposed to be a recent fresh sarge install. |
| 01:13.14 | briareus | abrotman, kde installed by sarge installer |
| 01:13.17 | chealer | linoleum: sid isn't in caps. just reinstall sarge |
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| 01:13.32 | linoleum | maher: yes, I guss, I am going to lauche aptitude install KDE for the night :) |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | briareus: apt-get install kde ... just to make sure .. if you don't mind |
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| 01:13.38 | chealer | linoleum: sid may be broken anytime |
| 01:13.45 | briareus | abrotman, i selected 'desktop environment' and away it went. it asked me if i wanted defoma, i said yes |
| 01:13.45 | abrotman | i don't know how tasksel installs kde |
| 01:13.48 | cafuego | As may KDE |
| 01:13.49 | briareus | ok |
| 01:13.56 | cureless | briareus: try ttf-freefont |
| 01:14.07 | linoleum | chealer: yes, but I prefer SID because it's more up to date and I dont care if I can't use my computer for few days if SID is broken |
| 01:14.08 | abrotman | briareus: is it going to install anything ? |
| 01:14.11 | cafuego | In fact, I've never had KDE install without dependency issues. Ever. |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | cafuego: kde is a dependency issue :) |
| 01:14.24 | chealer | linoleum: that's find, but don't come here looking for help |
| 01:14.28 | cafuego | abrotman: Amen |
| 01:14.29 | chealer | s/find/fine |
| 01:14.45 | cureless | cafuego: you mean like gnome? |
| 01:14.47 | linoleum | just 1 question , about the login manager : if I do aptitude install kde gnome ... which login manager (kdm , gdm) will be used ??? |
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| 01:14.58 | abrotman | linoleum: the one you pick! :) |
| 01:15.01 | cureless | briareus: or, if you need it msttcorefonts |
| 01:15.11 | linoleum | abrotman: how can I choose the one I want to use? |
| 01:15.13 | abrotman | briareus: is it trying to intall more stuff ? |
| 01:15.18 | cafuego | cureless: You mean there are only TWO desktop environs? |
| 01:15.22 | abrotman | linoleum: dpkg-reconfigure kdm or whichever |
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| 01:15.33 | abrotman | linoleum: that's oone way .. there are othres |
| 01:15.36 | crashbg | for kde kdm is better |
| 01:15.42 | crashbg | and gdm for gnome ;) |
| 01:15.44 | briareus | uhm something is awry here |
| 01:15.48 | cafuego | crashbg: kdm is never better, I'm sad to say. |
| 01:15.50 | linoleum | abrotman: ok tkx :) |
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| 01:16.01 | cureless | cafuego: I was talking about the TWO pyramid (mesh?) of dependancies. |
| 01:16.01 | benjamindees | cafuego, bah! |
| 01:16.02 | crashbg | cafuego, why? |
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| 01:16.18 | cafuego | unless they finally fixed their kdm-must-ignore-.xinitrc issue |
| 01:16.19 | abrotman | gdm is better IMO also |
| 01:16.22 | cureless | kdm sucks |
| 01:16.30 | chealer | really? |
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| 01:16.51 | cafuego | crashbg: As far as I'm aware kdm ignores .xinitrc |
| 01:17.01 | linoleum | ok, well I just did a aptitude install kde ... tomorow I will do a aptitude install gnome .... SID POWA :) |
| 01:17.04 | cafuego | crashbg: Which is admittedly not a problem for vanilla-kde-users |
| 01:17.07 | briareus | i dont know whats going on but i am getting an error on that command abrotman |
| 01:17.07 | benjamindees | cafuego, I'm told they even fixed their kdm-ignores-.bashrc issue |
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| 01:17.16 | crashbg | like me :) |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | briareus: such as (no pasting in this channel) |
| 01:17.21 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:17.39 | briareus | can not open /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 01:17.48 | cafuego | benjamindees: It does? So we can bash kdm? |
| 01:17.50 | briareus | its my only term open |
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| 01:17.53 | xuser | Anyone have an mrtg file that shows traffic analisys on a interface? |
| 01:17.58 | abrotman | briareus: are you root .. or do you have a dselect or something else running ? |
| 01:17.59 | jonz | hmm is there a .deb for 2.6.11 out? mebbe i should try that |
| 01:18.05 | cafuego | xuser: www.cc.com.au -> status |
| 01:18.10 | abrotman | jonz: not in sarge |
| 01:18.10 | crashbg | cafuego, i have mobile amd xp 1800+ : if i recompile KDE will i get great improvement? i use sarge and kde 3.2 |
| 01:18.18 | briareus | abrotman, no its the only term running, the term is su to root |
| 01:18.20 | cafuego | crashbg: No. |
| 01:18.22 | jonz | abrotman how bout one i can download and install |
| 01:18.30 | cureless | crashbg: no |
| 01:18.33 | cafuego | crashbg: All you will accomplish is wasting time. |
| 01:18.34 | abrotman | jonz: i'm sure there is one |
| 01:18.45 | crashbg | jonz, better try kernel.org :) |
| 01:18.48 | benjamindees | crashbg, recompiling kde will take years off your life |
| 01:18.56 | chealer | !info kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 |
| 01:18.59 | abrotman | briareus: something has either created the lock .. or it's stale |
| 01:18.59 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-2 (sid), Packaged size: 14142 kB, Installed size: 42744 kB |
| 01:19.00 | briareus | cureless, i also just tried to install a font, and i get: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by anotherprocess |
| 01:19.14 | briareus | so somethings are locked |
| 01:19.15 | briareus | hmm |
| 01:19.16 | abrotman | chealer: that's sid . he's sarge |
| 01:19.21 | cureless | briareus: that normally means that the file is locked by another process. |
| 01:19.22 | abrotman | briareus: no . it's a lock file |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | briareus: something else is either running .. or it's a stale lock file |
| 01:19.41 | chealer | jonz: you don't want/can't use sid's package? |
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| 01:19.59 | xuser | cafuego: do you have the mrtg.cfg file handy? |
| 01:20.01 | jonz | sid's package? |
| 01:20.08 | briareus | ok abrotman i retried the apt-get install kde, it says 0 upgraded, 0 installed, etc. like everything is there |
| 01:20.13 | chealer | jonz: 2.6.11 is packages for sid |
| 01:20.21 | chealer | s/packages/packaged |
| 01:20.22 | abrotman | briareus: ok .. i just wanted to make sure |
| 01:20.25 | briareus | :) |
| 01:20.29 | Quinn_Storm | anyone know anything about my imapd question? |
| 01:20.30 | jonz | oh... well is there a place i can grab it without installing sid? |
| 01:20.31 | cafuego | xuser: Why don't you run cfgmaker? |
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| 01:20.48 | chealer | jonz: you don't have to install sid, you can get a sarge/sid mix |
| 01:20.55 | cureless | briareus: what else are you running that is locking the font files? |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | who saw an imapd question? |
| 01:21.07 | chealer | !tell jonz about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 01:21.09 | briareus | cureless, nothing that i can tell |
| 01:21.11 | xuser | cafuego: i tried. :D |
| 01:21.16 | chealer | jonz: to use with care |
| 01:21.22 | briareus | i closed the kde font menu a half hour ago |
| 01:21.25 | cafuego | xuser: My cfg file isn't going to help you - at all. |
| 01:21.53 | cureless | briareus: see if something is running and using the file, (ps, lsof, etc). If not, then it's a stale lock file. |
| 01:21.58 | cafuego | xuser: Fix up your smnpd.conf , run cfgmaker to create your initial cfg file, then tweak it. |
| 01:22.11 | briareus | ok and now for some reason it went ahead and installed a ttf font |
| 01:22.25 | briareus | regenerating the cache ... (crossed fingers) |
| 01:22.25 | chealer | jonz: it's not dangerous for trying a new kernel since it keeps your testing kernel installed. of course, that's supposing it doesn't totally break your computer :) |
| 01:22.33 | benjamindees | !tell me about quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 01:22.37 | xuser | cafuego: Ok, i'll try that. |
| 01:22.52 | ansong | i've got http://http.us.debian.org in my sources.list and occasionally it's very slow to respond. is there a hostname that will kind of round-robin my apt-get upgrade around? |
| 01:23.02 | cafuego | xuser: I can email you mine as a sample, but you can't use the file on your system; it just won't work. |
| 01:23.18 | cafuego | ansong: run apt-setup |
| 01:23.33 | abrotman | benjamindees: simple sid/sarge mix ? |
| 01:23.34 | ansong | cafuego, ok |
| 01:23.36 | briareus | cureless the tff DID show up in fc-list |
| 01:23.37 | cureless | ansong: that should be a round-robin |
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| 01:23.48 | xuser | cafuego: smnpd.conf? |
| 01:23.56 | cafuego | xuser: No, mrtg.cfg |
| 01:24.10 | Quinn_Storm | ansong: I think you can just use http://ftp.debian.org |
| 01:24.19 | briareus | cureless, now trying dpkg-reconfigure -plow fontconfig |
| 01:24.19 | cureless | briareus: maybe what you need are more fonts. |
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| 01:24.32 | Quinn_Storm | specifically deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 01:24.34 | cureless | briareus: you shouldn't need that |
| 01:24.38 | silverton | yay! updated kernel! |
| 01:24.56 | dvs | silverton: not delete it :-> |
| 01:24.57 | benjamindees | abrotman, I got it thanks; are you wondering who had the imap question? |
| 01:25.24 | abrotman | benjamindees: i just didn't see it :) |
| 01:25.31 | briareus | cureless, but xfontsel shows the fonts i want in its list, as though they are in system |
| 01:25.31 | Quinn_Storm | ohh, you want me to repost the q? |
| 01:25.32 | silverton | dvs, =-o! why ever would I want to do that?! |
| 01:25.40 | xuser | cafuego: I mean wht smnpd.conf? |
| 01:25.46 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: /me lastlogs |
| 01:25.48 | briareus | cureless, (trying to get to snap from artwiz) |
| 01:25.50 | xuser | s/wht/wht |
| 01:25.50 | toukitsune | help. help. |
| 01:25.52 | xuser | wht |
| 01:25.55 | xuser | why |
| 01:25.55 | briareus | or anything from artwiz, hehe |
| 01:25.59 | xuser | lol |
| 01:26.02 | toukitsune | my hd shut down and I started it back up |
| 01:26.10 | toukitsune | what do I do to recover my HD? |
| 01:26.12 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: which imapd ? |
| 01:26.17 | cafuego | xuser: You need to install snmpd for mrtg to fetch data. You will then need to edit its config file, so you havean snmp community to query for data. |
| 01:26.19 | briareus | toukitsune, hdparm? |
| 01:26.37 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: hang on, I have to look it up, its the one thats in the debian "mail server" task |
| 01:26.38 | cafuego | toukitsune: fsck it. |
| 01:26.41 | cureless | briareus: hmm, well, I don't really know. Sorry. Maybe some font wizs will be here later |
| 01:26.45 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: oh .. lovely |
| 01:26.49 | toukitsune | well um its kinda stupid.... I accidentaly pulled the power cable off the HD |
| 01:26.53 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: is it not a good imapd? |
| 01:26.54 | briareus | cureless, i really do appreciate your help, thanks alot :) |
| 01:27.08 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: no idea .. but neither do you :) |
| 01:27.09 | toukitsune | for some reason though some programs arn't working but xchat is still working |
| 01:27.09 | xuser | cafuego: Oh i see, ok thanks. |
| 01:27.13 | cafuego | Quinn_Storm: It's just that tasks suck. |
| 01:27.15 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: most people pick one they like :) |
| 01:27.18 | briareus | toukitsune, because its inram |
| 01:27.21 | briareus | in ram |
| 01:27.21 | abrotman | not just a random one |
| 01:27.23 | briareus | hehe |
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| 01:27.25 | Quinn_Storm | I don't know anything about them, first mail server I've tried to run |
| 01:27.35 | maher | toukitsune: your machine is still running? |
| 01:27.39 | toukitsune | yes |
| 01:27.45 | toukitsune | my machine is still running |
| 01:27.47 | Enolayale | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown - block (0,0) |
| 01:27.54 | cafuego | how the hell do you ACCIDENTALLY disconnect a molex connector? |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: fwiw .. i recommend postfix/courier |
| 01:27.56 | toukitsune | but gaim is frozen and firefox is frozen |
| 01:28.01 | maher | toukitsune: shutdown the machine - plug the power cable back in - turn it back on - hope it still owrks |
| 01:28.02 | abrotman | cafuego: shotgun ? |
| 01:28.06 | Enolayale | I checked grub, and used the --initrc option of make-kpkg |
| 01:28.11 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: postfix/courier...that easy to admin on debian? (I'd uninstall exim too right?) |
| 01:28.19 | Enolayale | am I forgetting a selection in file system support? |
| 01:28.22 | toukitsune | ok I'll try |
| 01:28.33 | cafuego | toukitsune: turn the machine off, plug the HD back in, boot up, cross fingers. |
| 01:28.37 | toukitsune | oh hey how should I shut down the machine |
| 01:28.39 | Quinn_Storm | ah, its uw-imapd |
| 01:28.41 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: i've used sendmail/qmail/postfix .. not so much exim .. i prefer postfix .. and #postfix has some smart people |
| 01:28.45 | toukitsune | just power off? |
| 01:28.49 | maher | cafuego: if you had any strength in your thumb... |
| 01:28.53 | cafuego | toukitsune: DO NOT plug the drive back in until the machine is OFF. |
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| 01:29.07 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: so...what functions do each of them supply? |
| 01:29.13 | benjamindees | toukitsune, you'll probably have to push the button |
| 01:29.15 | toukitsune | um.... too late. I did before I asked for help x.x |
| 01:29.20 | cafuego | toukitsune: yes, just hit the Off switch |
| 01:29.27 | Quinn_Storm | I'm fine with dropping what I have, I only just set it up anyway |
| 01:29.28 | maher | toukitsune: ok - just power down |
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| 01:29.37 | cafuego | toukitsune: Ok, cross your fingers twice and hope you dodn't blow it or the controller. |
| 01:29.37 | toukitsune | hope I come back |
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| 01:29.58 | cafuego | Oh, is it a serial ata disk? |
| 01:30.12 | toukitsune | no |
| 01:30.20 | toukitsune | parallel ata |
| 01:30.20 | cafuego | Then I wish you luck. |
| 01:30.37 | maher | will we ever see poor toukitsune again? |
| 01:31.00 | dvs | we'll find out next week! |
| 01:31.00 | toukitsune | probably not |
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| 01:31.06 | cafuego | Yes, but his HDD is another matter.. |
| 01:31.11 | toukitsune | well everyone wish me luck |
| 01:31.24 | cafuego | Just hope it wasn't writing or reading data when you pulled the plug |
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| 01:31.28 | toukitsune | hopefully I will be back |
| 01:31.30 | benjamindees | !pray for toukitsune |
| 01:31.44 | Quinn_Storm | well I'm gonna start with courier, installing the webadmin and stuff...do I need anything besides courier? |
| 01:31.46 | benjamindees | !pray for grammo |
| 01:31.49 | toukitsune | powering off |
| 01:31.52 | debian | toukitsune: we'll miss yo8u |
| 01:31.57 | cafuego | Please check all weapons and religion at the front desk, thank you. |
| 01:32.35 | cafuego | Quinn_Storm: Courier comes with an MTA (smtp server) but i suggest you go with postfix instead. |
| 01:32.52 | Quinn_Storm | cafuego: can I ask why? |
| 01:32.54 | zignig | cafuego: heh, don't forget bigotry ( or does religion cover that ?) |
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| 01:33.09 | cafuego | Quinn_Storm: it's easy to set up (even advanced features), fast and good. |
| 01:33.11 | silverton | Finally, my sound works the way it should |
| 01:33.12 | DutchFish | cafuego: postfix best solution for MySQL backend? |
| 01:33.16 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: postfix is mta .. courier can be lots of things .. imap and pop3 normally . but courier also has an mta |
| 01:33.19 | cafuego | DutchFish: Yes. |
| 01:33.29 | DutchFish | cafego: thx |
| 01:33.51 | cafuego | DutchFish: There's a nice postfix+courier+mysql HOWTO online. |
| 01:33.52 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: cafuego: it seems courier's mta and such have a web-admin...that's nice and I'd like the all-in-one but you really think postfix is a better mta? |
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| 01:34.15 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: i personally do .. i think postfix is great |
| 01:34.18 | cafuego | Quinn_Storm: Yep, I do. (I did have to write my own php-based admin frontend for it, though) |
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| 01:34.22 | DutchFish | cafuego : plz hand me a link? was looking for it |
| 01:34.37 | stew | i think courier-mta is an excellent mta |
| 01:34.44 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: cafuego: okay, then you reccomend postfix and courier for everything postfix doesn't do? |
| 01:34.54 | benjamindees | Quinn_Storm, I use postfix with courier-imap |
| 01:34.54 | cafuego | NederVis: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 01:35.20 | cafuego | Quinn_Storm: postfix ONLY transmits and receives mail, it can't store it or access it. |
| 01:35.21 | DutchFish | cafego: thx again |
| 01:35.30 | chealer | is it better than webmin? :) |
| 01:35.35 | Quinn_Storm | cafuego: yeah I figured as much |
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| 01:35.43 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: i do .. postfix sends/receives from other servers .. courier is for imap and pop3 |
| 01:35.54 | cafuego | chealer: What is? My frontend? yes. it's q squirrelmail plugin, so each user can admin their own domain. |
| 01:36.06 | Quinn_Storm | well there is a webmin-postfix |
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| 01:36.16 | FieldySnuts | @lart webmin |
| 01:36.20 | cafuego | Quinn_Storm: yes, but that won't handle courier. |
| 01:36.29 | Quinn_Storm | cafuego: yeah but courier has its on web administration module |
| 01:36.33 | cafuego | Quinn_Storm: How many domains will you be hosting mail for? |
| 01:36.44 | Quinn_Storm | cafuego: just the one unless I add virtual domains |
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| 01:36.54 | chealer | cafuego: ok, I didn't need much to be convinced :) |
| 01:37.08 | silverton | do any of you know if kernel 2.6.11 comes precompiled with ntfs write support? |
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| 01:37.09 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: don't use webmin |
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| 01:37.12 | cafuego | Quinn_Storm: if you are considering adding virtual doamins, I suggest you check the url i just gave DutchFish before you start now. |
| 01:37.25 | DuckTales | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Ygqou379.html |
| 01:37.32 | cafuego | Quinn_Storm: it's a bit more hassle now, but FAR easier in the long run. |
| 01:37.34 | dvs | silverton: precompiled? probably not |
| 01:37.34 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: ok |
| 01:37.39 | DuckTales | What is wrong? |
| 01:37.48 | Quinn_Storm | cafuego: that's what I'm looking for, I don't mind some setup work if the admin is easy |
| 01:37.56 | silverton | dvs, :( I tried compiling 2.6.8 with ntfs, but it always err'd on me |
| 01:37.59 | Quinn_Storm | cafuego: do you mean http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ ? |
| 01:38.05 | briareus | ok, this is getting laughable. I jsut got a screenfull of terminl not reponding popups.. i never seen one in linux before... and I am just trying to fix fonts... I am so far very unimpressed with this 'fresh' install |
| 01:38.12 | dvs | silverton: I wouldn't do it with write support |
| 01:38.16 | abrotman | DuckTales: on a guess . you're missing some libraries |
| 01:38.25 | silverton | dvs, I kind of need it |
| 01:38.30 | abrotman | briareus: you're the first person with linux spyware :) |
| 01:38.33 | DuckTales | abrotman, Which ones? |
| 01:38.45 | jonz | silverton it'd be better to boot into winblows and read from the ufs partition |
| 01:38.46 | cafuego | Quinn_Storm: yep |
| 01:38.52 | dvs | silverton: you risk data corruption |
| 01:38.53 | DuckTales | abrotman, I'm on debian/sarge |
| 01:38.54 | abrotman | DuckTales: no idea .. i don't play games .. sorry |
| 01:39.02 | abrotman | DuckTales: mesagl maybe? |
| 01:39.04 | silverton | jonz, I don't have "winblowz" anymore |
| 01:39.08 | Quinn_Storm | cafuego: ok, this looks like exactly the sort of thing I'd want |
| 01:39.08 | silverton | dvs, the whole disc? |
| 01:39.29 | dvs | silverton: I'm not sure and I don't want to know. |
| 01:39.34 | briareus | abrotman, this is ridiculous, and now i just got a kicker-crashed message, wtf. I have never seen anything like this... i cant tell if its debian or kde but i am getting real sick of both real fast |
| 01:39.35 | silverton | hmm.... |
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| 01:39.51 | silverton | I don't think I have enough space on my /home to backup all the info :-/ |
| 01:39.55 | cafuego | DuckTales: Proprietay software, email IDSoft for help |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | briareus: did you use the netinst to install? |
| 01:40.09 | DuckTales | cafuego, Doesn't that cost money? |
| 01:40.23 | cafuego | DuckTales: *I* didn't buy their product |
| 01:40.25 | abrotman | no . you can spam all you want for free :) |
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| 01:40.34 | DuckTales | abrotman, What is the mesagl package name with apt-get? |
| 01:40.46 | toukitsune_ | woot! |
| 01:41.02 | cafuego | Quinn_Storm: it's a great setup, I have about 100 domains running through mine :-) |
| 01:41.13 | briareus | abrotman, the 100M CD sarge installer, where is goes online and gets all the packages |
| 01:41.14 | DutchFish | toukitsune welcome back |
| 01:41.26 | toukitsune_ | and back before my nick could ping out too |
| 01:41.27 | abrotman | DuckTales: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:41.28 | benjamindees | toukitsune, just wondring, what ide controller do you have? |
| 01:41.29 | DuckTales | xlibmesa-gl or libglu1-mesa |
| 01:41.36 | DuckTales | I know how to search |
| 01:41.36 | DuckTales | heh |
| 01:41.47 | DuckTales | or xlibmesa-glu |
| 01:41.51 | abrotman | briareus: ok . i just wanted to check .. try `apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade` |
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| 01:41.59 | briareus | i did |
| 01:42.00 | toukitsune_ | Onboard IDE controaler.... if you want something more specific you need to tell me how to find out |
| 01:42.00 | briareus | :) |
| 01:42.19 | cafuego | toukitsune_: run 'lspci' |
| 01:42.39 | benjamindees | toukitsune_, lspci|grep RAID |
| 01:42.42 | abrotman | briareus: i just find it odd that kde is that crashy .. wait . no i don't :) |
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| 01:42.47 | cplx | cisco |
| 01:43.00 | toukitsune_ | 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 01:43.00 | DuckTales | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FJfefB54.html |
| 01:43.17 | cafuego | Athlon eh? |
| 01:43.21 | benjamindees | toukitsune_, hmm, nice thanks :) |
| 01:43.22 | DuckTales | ummm...why would it want to uninstall x-window-system x-window-system-core xlibmesa-glu to install mesalibs? |
| 01:43.31 | toukitsune_ | um grep raid? why would I try to find raid? |
| 01:43.32 | briareus | abrotman, unfortunately, fluxbox in this debian install is completely worthless too, each and every word has extra jumlbed characters in between each letter... totoally unreadable |
| 01:43.37 | toukitsune_ | I know I don't have raid |
| 01:43.42 | briareus | the menu can barely be read |
| 01:43.44 | abrotman | briareus: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:43.46 | cafuego | DuckTales: mesa is SOFTWARE 3d. You don't want it. |
| 01:43.53 | briareus | thats what got me on this font kick four hours ago |
| 01:43.53 | poh | Is it possible to look at my desktop on one computer from another? |
| 01:44.02 | cafuego | poh: Yes. Check 'vnc' |
| 01:44.06 | briareus | ok abrotman I will try |
| 01:44.06 | abrotman | briareus: really? |
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| 01:44.11 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:44.11 | toukitsune_ | cafuego: yes athlon |
| 01:44.36 | poh | cafuego: that seems to create another server on :1 and I can't seem to connect to :0, which is what my desktop is using |
| 01:44.43 | jd|laptop | poh, x11vnc |
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| 01:45.14 | poh | jd|laptop: thanks |
| 01:45.16 | poh | cafuego: thanks |
| 01:45.30 | poh | I looked at apt-cache search vnc and missed that |
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| 01:46.44 | mario_bros | hi guys, anyone know how can I create a virtual dvd device on debian? |
| 01:47.00 | samuel | do you need to have configured a cups printer to use the print to pdf with xprint? |
| 01:47.18 | benjamindees | mario_bros, maybe user mode linux can do that |
| 01:47.30 | briareus | abrotman, with that install of x-windows what would you expect it to try to install, anything? |
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| 01:47.55 | etzerd | hello room |
| 01:47.55 | mario_bros | benjamindees: what? |
| 01:47.56 | Enolayale | VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 01:47.58 | etzerd | I need help |
| 01:48.14 | benjamindees | mario_bros, google "user mode linux" |
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| 01:48.18 | etzerd | why Debian does not recognize my ATI card |
| 01:48.26 | briareus | it wants to install: lbxproxy proxymngr twm x-window-system xdm xfs xfwp xnest xprint xprint-common xprt-xprintorg xvfb |
| 01:48.36 | abrotman | briareus: i don't use those tasks . so i can't say |
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| 01:48.44 | abrotman | briareus: xfs could be good |
| 01:48.51 | abrotman | briareus: x font server |
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| 01:48.57 | etzerd | by default the installation select VESA which by default set my resolution to 800 by 600 |
| 01:49.04 | briareus | i thought this kind of stuff gets installed with the system |
| 01:49.13 | pipeline | etzerd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 01:49.27 | abrotman | briareus: that's why tasksel should die :) |
| 01:49.31 | Enolayale | what about my problem! |
| 01:49.35 | Enolayale | it's horrible :( |
| 01:49.37 | etzerd | can someone tell me which sage cd should I download because the one that I have the Kernel version is 2.4 |
| 01:49.48 | briareus | abrotman, so... wow |
| 01:49.51 | pipeline | etzerd: The part before the "&&" sets up the values inside debconf. The part after the "&&" generates a new configuration file from the debconf values. |
| 01:49.52 | Enolayale | same etzerd - download a new kernel |
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| 01:50.02 | toukitsune | what packages would I need for x fileing system? |
| 01:50.06 | scarynetworkguy | Enolayale: Build a proper kernel. If you can't do that get a image. |
| 01:50.06 | abrotman | briareus: que? |
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| 01:50.14 | Enolayale | scarynetworkguy: it is built properly! |
| 01:50.16 | pipeline | etzerd: If you want a 2.6 kernel at install time, you type "linux26" at the "Boot:" prompt. |
| 01:50.17 | briareus | i never would have thought the x font server wouldnt be installed with the system |
| 01:50.24 | abrotman | Enolayale: apparently not :) |
| 01:50.25 | scarynetworkguy | Enolayale: Clearly it is not. |
| 01:50.25 | maher | samuel: wouldn't have thought so |
| 01:50.41 | abrotman | briareus: well . wait and see if it's fixed before you get excited |
| 01:50.47 | Enolayale | why not?! |
| 01:50.51 | pipeline | briareus: Well, people don't use xfs as much these days. |
| 01:50.51 | dob1 | how can i extract a multipart zip files ? unzip don't work, on the man it suggest to concatenate the files and using zip -f on the new archive but this don't work too |
| 01:50.52 | Enolayale | it isn't my fault! |
| 01:50.56 | etzerd | I download the sage 3.1 which is the latest when I type linux26 it give me error |
| 01:51.12 | christor | Hello please I have a problem ,I have installed mozilla firefox but I have an error mesage : Xlib connectio to 0.0 refused by server...?? |
| 01:51.25 | pipeline | christor: That's an x authentication problem. |
| 01:51.27 | scarynetworkguy | Enolayale: Did you build in your filesystem? |
| 01:51.27 | abrotman | stop trying to run mozilla as root |
| 01:51.41 | Enolayale | I did evenything I've done with previous kernels that have worked perfectly, I'm just using a vanilla kernel source because the debian one doesn't include my network card |
| 01:51.45 | Enolayale | scarynetworkguy: yes |
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| 01:51.54 | Enolayale | and I used --initrc |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | Enolayale: which network card? |
| 01:51.59 | abrotman | rd |
| 01:52.01 | briareus | well thanks folks i am restarting X now :) |
| 01:52.04 | Enolayale | rd- right |
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| 01:52.11 | abrotman | briareus: did you say a prayer? |
| 01:52.12 | maher | Enolayale: in my experience vanilla kernels rearrange the config options at random so you have to see what changed |
| 01:52.22 | Enolayale | I have an onboard broadcom |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | so what? |
| 01:52.30 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | so do i .. debian has it |
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| 01:52.40 | abrotman | oh wait .. |
| 01:52.43 | mario_bros | benjamindees: well, I meant, I want to mount an iso dvd image as if it were a dvd-device on my system |
| 01:52.51 | abrotman | Enolayale: which versino of debian? |
| 01:52.59 | Enolayale | sarge upgraded to sid |
| 01:53.05 | Enolayale | kernel version? |
| 01:53.13 | maher | mario_bros: mount -o loop file.iso target |
| 01:53.23 | silverton | mount -t isso9660 loop file.iso ~/dvd/ |
| 01:53.25 | abrotman | Enolayale: yeah .. did oyu try installing the non-free kernel modules package? |
| 01:53.46 | Enolayale | no... |
| 01:53.51 | StupidMop | what is the differance between woody and sarge? Isn't woody stable and sarge unstable/testing ? |
| 01:54.04 | dvs | StupidMop: Yeah, so? |
| 01:54.06 | silverton | woody is stable, sarge is testing, sid is unstable |
| 01:54.10 | abrotman | or did they not do that yet? |
| 01:54.15 | abrotman | sarge is testing |
| 01:54.32 | huascar | hmmm so for someone thats new to linux, should I have stayed with Woody instead of installing Sarge? |
| 01:54.35 | pipeline | StupidMop: You want sarge. |
| 01:54.38 | pipeline | huascar: You want sarge. |
| 01:54.43 | abrotman | didn't they split out the non-free modules ? |
| 01:54.49 | Enolayale | huascar: no, woody is supposed to be a bitch to install |
| 01:54.56 | toresbe | Enolayale: it is |
| 01:54.57 | Enolayale | and it's useless I hear |
| 01:55.00 | toresbe | Enolayale: it is |
| 01:55.04 | toukitsune | isn't there a debian hurd? whats that? I know what woody, sarge, and sid is though. |
| 01:55.05 | pipeline | Enolayale: It's not a bitch to install, but the software is really, really old. |
| 01:55.15 | pipeline | toukitsune: HURD is the GNU kernel project. It's not very useful. |
| 01:55.17 | toresbe | well, unless you're running a very mission-critical server |
| 01:55.22 | StupidMop | huascar and enolayale: i hot no problem with woody isntall |
| 01:55.23 | maher | toukitsune: hurd is a different kernel |
| 01:55.24 | huascar | ah ok, well I'm trying to follow the instructions for installing the drivers for ATI but I cant get apt-get to download the kernel source |
| 01:55.45 | Enolayale | I installed a normal debian kernel, with onboard broadcom support in 10-100mbit network cards |
| 01:55.47 | christor | Hello please I have a problem ,I have installed mozilla firefox but I have an error mesage : Xlib connectio to 0.0 refused by server...?? Is someone has an idea? Seems to be a bug? |
| 01:55.49 | abrotman | Enolayale: you heard wrong |
| 01:55.53 | Enolayale | and it didn't seem to connect |
| 01:55.57 | pipeline | huascar: Installing the ATI binary drivers is a real pain in the ass. What card do you have? If it's an 8500 / 9000 / 9100 / 9200 you don't need the horrible binary drivers. |
| 01:55.58 | Enolayale | abrotman: about? |
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| 01:56.07 | huascar | no I have 9800 |
| 01:56.09 | toukitsune | ok. I was just wondering cause the debian site says nothing about it but on some of the places to buy debian CDs from have debian hurd disks |
| 01:56.13 | silverton | I'm glad installing the geforce drivers were easy |
| 01:56.14 | pipeline | huascar: You're in for a world of pain. |
| 01:56.22 | abrotman | Enolayale: woody |
| 01:56.24 | huascar | damn |
| 01:56.25 | maher | toukitsune: hurd is not release ready yet |
| 01:56.27 | huascar | how come? |
| 01:56.28 | pipeline | huascar: If I were you, I would just give up. And that's why I have an nvidia card. |
| 01:56.35 | huascar | hahaha |
| 01:56.39 | benjamindees | Enolayale, I have to use a 2.6 kernel for broadcom support |
| 01:56.44 | abrotman | pipeline: that's why i have an intel card :) |
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| 01:56.50 | huascar | I'm actually thinking of upgrading my vid card but dont know what to go for |
| 01:56.50 | pipeline | abrotman: i740? |
| 01:56.55 | abrotman | 730 |
| 01:56.57 | abrotman | err |
| 01:56.58 | abrotman | wait |
| 01:56.59 | Enolayale | benjamindees: whats different in the newer kernels? |
| 01:57.01 | christor | Je viens d isntaller mozilla-firefox et j ai des erreurs Xlib |
| 01:57.05 | chealer | !fr |
| 01:57.05 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 01:57.06 | pipeline | huascar: Any nvidia card will work fine. |
| 01:57.10 | abrotman | pipeline: 830 i guess |
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| 01:57.25 | pipeline | abrotman: Oh, that's a whole different animal. The 740 was the last standalone Intel graphics chipset, I tihnk. |
| 01:57.27 | benjamindees | Enolayale, umm, it supports my card and 2.4 doesn't :) |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | pipeline: it's integrated |
| 01:57.39 | Enolayale | 2.4 supports my card fine..... |
| 01:57.42 | huascar | so there is nowhere I can get a .deb package of the ati drivers? |
| 01:57.46 | Enolayale | it's 2.6 that doesn't... |
| 01:57.47 | christor | chealer: sorry mistake |
| 01:57.50 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 01:57.51 | dpkg | ati debs is probably http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 01:57.54 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:57.56 | cafuego | huascar: Are you after fast 3D? |
| 01:58.01 | huascar | yeah |
| 01:58.10 | toukitsune | oh question. I have used knoppix a few times and I have a nvidia card and on knoppix I have direct rendering but on my debian install I don't |
| 01:58.19 | cafuego | huascar: Then i suggest you go with an nvidia card. |
| 01:58.42 | toukitsune | how do I get direct rendering on debian install? |
| 01:58.44 | dvs | Enolayale: Which network card? |
| 01:58.44 | abrotman | i suggest people stop playing games on computers |
| 01:58.50 | chealer | !tell toukitsune about nvidia-howto |
| 01:58.52 | huascar | hmmm k, which one do you guys suggest? |
| 01:59.00 | pipeline | huascar: A big problem is that even if you get the drivers installed and working, it's going to be rough to get any software that supports the ATI card. Cedega, for example, doesn't. |
| 01:59.01 | cafuego | abrotman: games are not the sole users of 3D. |
| 01:59.07 | Enolayale | onboard broadcom |
| 01:59.09 | pipeline | huascar: It doesn't matter what nvidia card you get, they're all well-supported. |
| 01:59.11 | cafuego | huascar: AN 6800 should be great. |
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| 01:59.15 | dvs | Enolayale: model number? |
| 01:59.18 | toukitsune | thanks chealer |
| 01:59.21 | Enolayale | gah, ... hmm |
| 01:59.28 | pipeline | toukitsune: http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php |
| 01:59.29 | dvs | Enolayale: lspci | grep Eth |
| 01:59.43 | Enolayale | 0000:00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5702X Gigabit Ethernet (rev 02) |
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| 01:59.53 | FieldySnuts | broadcom sucks, good luck |
| 01:59.55 | huascar | any idea where is a good place to get a 6800 thats not taht expensive but still good |
| 01:59.57 | dvs | 0000:02:05.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c940 10/100/1000Base-T [Marvell] (rev 12) |
| 01:59.57 | dvs | 0000:02:09.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang] |
| 02:00.05 | abrotman | cafuego: because so many people do cad renderings in 3d :) |
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| 02:00.12 | dvs | Enolayale: Did you use the tg3? |
| 02:00.15 | FieldySnuts | huascar: no such thing, any 6800 is going to be crazy expensive |
| 02:00.17 | jharrison | anyone know what the reason for snort.debian.conf is or what exactly it does? |
| 02:00.20 | cafuego | Enolayale: You need a 2.6 kernel with the tg3 driver for that broadcom. |
| 02:00.21 | pipeline | abrotman, cafuego: Because there's so much CAD software available on Linux :P |
| 02:00.22 | FieldySnuts | i have a 5900, does me good. very good. |
| 02:00.29 | Enolayale | dvs: I have a vanilla kernel that has tg3 support |
| 02:00.32 | abrotman | pipeline: more than you think .. oddly enough .. just not all free |
| 02:00.38 | Enolayale | thats why I'm here, I can't get that kernel to boot |
| 02:00.46 | dvs | Enolayale: 2.6.8? |
| 02:00.48 | cafuego | 0000:03:01.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet |
| 02:00.49 | huascar | thing is I got my ati 9800 dont wanna go to a 5900 cause they to much alike in gaming power :) |
| 02:00.54 | Enolayale | 2.6.11 |
| 02:00.55 | pipeline | abrotman, cafuego: Eh, no AutoCad, no Pro/E, no Catia. What else is there? :P |
| 02:01.00 | simoriah | Enolayale : I had to get the bcm5900 driver from Broadcom. The latest 2.6 kernels don't have tg3 support. |
| 02:01.02 | huascar | if I'm gonna spend money I want it to be much better then what I have right now |
| 02:01.05 | dvs | cafuego: His has an X. You lose. ;-) |
| 02:01.07 | StupidMop | anyone no how soon sarge will go to stable? |
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| 02:01.16 | FieldySnuts | i'd save yourself the hassle and put in a real card |
| 02:01.18 | Enolayale | simoriah: the ones from kernel.org do |
| 02:01.19 | cafuego | StupidMop: Yes |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | pipeline: lots of stuff .. i'm not a cad person .. but i have looked for it .. i just don't know the quality |
| 02:01.29 | maher | StupidMop: real soon - this year or next... |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | pipeline: the lack of AutoCad i still think is odd |
| 02:01.35 | benjamindees | StupidMop, no, no one |
| 02:01.46 | huascar | FieldySnuts: what would you recommend? |
| 02:01.50 | simoriah | Enolayale : Dunno... I went with kernel-image AND kernel-source and neither have tg3 support. Maybe I'll just grab the vanilla source and build me a vanilla kernel. |
| 02:01.51 | maher | StupidMop: actually i's say 2-3 months |
| 02:01.52 | pipeline | abrotman: Never mind, it seems Pro/E DOES run on linux. |
| 02:01.54 | FieldySnuts | i said well over a year ago 2009 for sarge, i stand by that |
| 02:02.07 | FieldySnuts | huascar: generally anything intel or 3com |
| 02:02.08 | abrotman | pipeline: the autocad runs on a tablet pc but not linux ... jeez |
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| 02:02.10 | Enolayale | simoriah: thats what I'm saying. Kernel.org is vanilla |
| 02:02.18 | FieldySnuts | intel e100 is good, intel 1000's are good for gigabit |
| 02:02.19 | cafuego | huascar: What on earth do you run if a 9800 isn't good enough? |
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| 02:02.29 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, autocad is a pretty limited market anyway, no? |
| 02:02.38 | StupidMop | how stable is sarge? |
| 02:02.40 | briareus | #debian, how old is sarge? i know its in testing but is it really supposed to be so buggy? |
| 02:02.40 | pipeline | abrotman: Also, didn't autocad drop /all/ their UNIX ports quite some time ago? |
| 02:02.42 | pipeline | StupidMop: Very. |
| 02:02.43 | toukitsune | oh btw is there documentation on makeing debian binary packages and debian source packages? |
| 02:02.48 | Enolayale | StupidMop: too stable |
| 02:02.51 | abrotman | pipeline: i knoew solaris was dropped |
| 02:02.52 | cafuego | StupidMop: it's not stable. it's testing. |
| 02:02.53 | briareus | StupidMop, my sarge is all kinds of whacked, fresh install |
| 02:02.53 | dvs | StupidMop: I've never had a problem with sarge |
| 02:02.55 | FieldySnuts | @troll briareus |
| 02:03.03 | abrotman | pipeline: i used to work for a company that did lots of autocad stuff |
| 02:03.03 | pipeline | StupidMop: "Testing" is always supposed to be in a "releaseable state" |
| 02:03.03 | huascar | oh no, its not that its not good enough, its a great card, its just that if I'm gonna spend money, I wanna get something better instead of buying the equivalent of what I got |
| 02:03.15 | pipeline | abrotman: I don't think anything but the Windows port is actively maintained. |
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| 02:03.19 | briareus | FieldySnuts, no I am NOT a troll, I have been in here for hours trying to figure this out |
| 02:03.20 | cafuego | huascar: Why spend money at all if the 9800 works fine? |
| 02:03.30 | huascar | well it dont work with debian |
| 02:03.31 | FieldySnuts | probably ati's lame linux drivers |
| 02:03.33 | pipeline | briareus: You come in here periodically and spout all kinds of bullshit. |
| 02:03.33 | Enolayale | so which kernel should I go with? anyone? |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | pipeline: yes .. it's not |
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| 02:03.43 | briareus | pipeline, what? me? |
| 02:03.47 | FieldySnuts | yes you |
| 02:03.49 | cafuego | huascar: fglrx should work fine. Or are you runnigna too-new 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:03.51 | briareus | ... |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | pipeline: i've never seen him here before |
| 02:03.55 | maher | briareus: what exactly are you trying to do again? |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | !seen briareus |
| 02:03.58 | dpkg | briareus is currently on #debian (2m 51s). Has said a total of 244 messages. Is idling for 7s |
| 02:04.05 | factotum | so a nvidia 5700 is decent then? im running a radeon 7500 and want something a bit newer but Im on quite a budget |
| 02:04.09 | huascar | I run windows, and play games on that but I dont wanna have to keep rebooting from windows to debian everytime I wanna do something, and right now I'm only at 800 600 wich is starting to get annoying |
| 02:04.09 | abrotman | pipeline: that's not a whole lot .. if he's here all the time |
| 02:04.10 | cafuego | Enolayale: 2.6.8 and up should work fine. |
| 02:04.12 | briareus | abrotman, have i been in here spouting bullshit all day? |
| 02:04.14 | pipeline | huascar: If I were going to buy a new graphics card, I would buy either a Radeon 92xx series (about $30) or an nVidia 6600 (about $150) |
| 02:04.22 | abrotman | briareus: unless you're lying about broken fonts :) |
| 02:04.31 | pipeline | huascar: They're pretty much the good price/performance options |
| 02:04.31 | briareus | no, i wish i was |
| 02:04.37 | cafuego | factotum: Runs great here, 1600x1200 on stuff like Flight Sim |
| 02:04.46 | pipeline | huascar: A 92xx is going to be a /lot/ slower than your 9800, but I don't need anything that powerful :P |
| 02:04.51 | factotum | cool |
| 02:04.53 | FieldySnuts | which flight sim? |
| 02:05.01 | cafuego | factotum: FS2004 |
| 02:05.07 | cafuego | FieldySnuts too |
| 02:05.10 | pipeline | factotum: the problem with the 5700 is that they vary a *lot* manufacturer to manufacturer and model to model. |
| 02:05.11 | huascar | haha I do, playing games like The Matrix online kinda takes lot of power same as Doom3 |
| 02:05.12 | FieldySnuts | hm, never heard of that one |
| 02:05.21 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: It's a microsoft product |
| 02:05.24 | pipeline | factotum: Some of the 5700's with shitty RAM are beaten by GF2MX cards ;_; |
| 02:05.25 | factotum | im looking at about a $100 budget for gfx card atm |
| 02:05.27 | FieldySnuts | ah, that explains it |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | briareus: still no suck? |
| 02:05.36 | briareus | no sadly |
| 02:05.36 | pipeline | factotum: I'd be looking at a cheap nvidia 6600. |
| 02:05.40 | huascar | factotum: I would say save your money |
| 02:05.46 | huascar | wait till you can spend some more |
| 02:05.54 | maher | briareus: in what way are your fonts broken? |
| 02:05.58 | factotum | lol yea, Ive gone this long i guess |
| 02:06.01 | StupidMop | what is the most painless way to upgreade from woody to sarge ? |
| 02:06.06 | pipeline | factotum: In the short term, you could pick up a radeon 9200 or 9250 -- they're about 30$ and they'd be a big upgrade from your 7500. |
| 02:06.10 | FieldySnuts | too bad flightgear is so basic. very promising, though |
| 02:06.18 | dvs | !tell StupidMop about woody->sarge |
| 02:06.18 | factotum | then i woudl probably need a new power supply and then a new this n that |
| 02:06.22 | BadMan | my geforce mx4000 does just fine.. cost $60 on sale at circuit city agp 64mb 8x |
| 02:06.28 | benjamindees | StupidMop, wait until sarge is released would be the most painless |
| 02:06.34 | pipeline | factotum: I don't think so. 9200's don't even have fans |
| 02:06.36 | huascar | yeah factotum that is true pipeline is right |
| 02:06.40 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 02:06.44 | briareus | abrotman, cureless thanks for the help. pipeline thanks for reminding me how full of shit i am. goodbye |
| 02:06.55 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 02:06.59 | StupidMop | dvs: thanks for that dpkg info :-) |
| 02:07.08 | dvs | StupidMop: no problem |
| 02:07.09 | dogayonv | leave the side off your computer and have a big 3 foot house fan blowing in there LOL |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | hose |
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| 02:07.19 | pipeline | abrotman: Briareus was here a few weeks ago, spouted the same kind of shit, left with the same snide parting shot :P |
| 02:07.19 | FieldySnuts | who's a hoe |
| 02:07.20 | abrotman | i think |
| 02:07.25 | cafuego | factotum: Just keep saving up for that new Athlon64 box you want. |
| 02:07.28 | FieldySnuts | @win pipeline |
| 02:07.30 | abrotman | pipeline: if you say so .. i've never seen him |
| 02:07.31 | ravenbird | Congratulations, pipeline! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 02:07.40 | maher | pipeline: that doesn't mean his fonts weren't broken |
| 02:08.01 | pipeline | maher: I was disinclined to help someone who was busy chatting up how awful Debian is. |
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| 02:08.15 | pipeline | maher: That, and I find client-side fonts dismayingly complex to configure :| |
| 02:08.22 | factotum | cafuego: you mean that 64 box that i may possibly want when I find a reason to have one? LOL yea by the time i have $$ for that I'm guessing 64-bit will be the norm |
| 02:08.35 | maher | pipeline: so he had a problem you couldn't fix so you insulted him - nice work |
| 02:08.49 | pipeline | maher: You betcha. |
| 02:09.07 | adexta | okay, question: how do i access password protected Iomega ZIP 100 drives? |
| 02:09.15 | factotum | great now the seed has been planted...new system again...hmmm |
| 02:09.33 | factotum | adexta: with a password |
| 02:09.41 | debian | !win factotum |
| 02:09.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, factotum! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
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| 02:09.59 | factotum | cleveland...lmao |
| 02:10.10 | cafuego | factotum: They're not very expensive at all these days (compared to a shitty intel box) - I got one a month or 6 ago. |
| 02:10.12 | pipeline | adexta: I think there's a mount argument |
| 02:10.17 | huascar | question, is there a way to get my screen res higher without having to install the ati drivers? |
| 02:10.26 | huascar | since I guess its to much of a pain |
| 02:10.45 | BadMan | huascar: try dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xfree86 |
| 02:10.49 | cafuego | huascar: There are partially packaged fglrx drivers, use those. |
| 02:10.52 | benjamindees | huascar, ctrl-alt-plus |
| 02:10.56 | cafuego | !ati drivers |
| 02:10.57 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 02:11.25 | cafuego | huascar: There ya go. |
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| 02:11.28 | factotum | i guess i should sit down and shop around a bit one of these days |
| 02:11.34 | factotum | thanks all |
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| 02:12.32 | abrotman | back so soon? |
| 02:12.45 | cafuego | mwilson has a spambot uid |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:12.53 | mwilson | I do? |
| 02:12.59 | cafuego | 8hzbdIAW |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | 8hzbdIAW@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net |
| 02:13.04 | mwilson | I have a *random* one. :) |
| 02:13.10 | abrotman | so do spambots |
| 02:13.12 | mwilson | I kinda liked it. :) |
| 02:13.20 | cafuego | That is consistent with previous bots from *.cox.net |
| 02:13.21 | bob2 | pants. |
| 02:13.32 | abrotman | bob2: put them on |
| 02:13.39 | mwilson | nullidentd either generates them at random or uses a single string. |
| 02:13.40 | huascar | whats better to run, x.org or Xfree |
| 02:13.41 | cafuego | bob2: 4 new tyres, can't possibly afford LCA |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | people hate it when debian dorks go out pantless |
| 02:13.45 | bob2 | abrotman: but it's chilly |
| 02:13.49 | bob2 | cafuego: gah, dang |
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| 02:13.54 | cafuego | huascar: xfree86,. since that's actually in debian. |
| 02:13.57 | bob2 | huascar: x.org isn't in Debian |
| 02:14.06 | mwilson | Since I'm not the only person who might be IRC-ing from here, random seemed to make more sense. |
| 02:14.14 | huascar | oh, ok |
| 02:14.14 | cafuego | abrotman: I'm quite fetching in undies |
| 02:14.18 | chealer | [repeat] how come apache2 doesn't provide httpd? |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | cafuego: really .. didn't .. want .. to EVER think about that :) |
| 02:14.53 | cafuego | benjamindees: you mwilson |
| 02:15.10 | cafuego | abrotman: You haven't even comteplated the transparent latex thong yet |
| 02:15.22 | abrotman | cafuego: latex can be transparent ? |
| 02:15.26 | benjamindees | cafuego, I am a bot |
| 02:15.31 | maher | chealer: it depends on something which does |
| 02:15.34 | CompWizrd | abrotman: a condom is practically clear :P |
| 02:15.41 | abrotman | is that the same kind of latex? |
| 02:15.44 | CompWizrd | i hope not |
| 02:15.52 | chealer | maher: AH! cool, let me check that |
| 02:15.52 | CompWizrd | i'd really rather not think about latex now |
| 02:16.04 | huascar | i'm trying to follow the instructions stanchina.net to install the fglrx drivers but I cant get the apt-get command to work |
| 02:16.05 | cureless | he said "same kind" not, same |
| 02:16.12 | cafuego | abrotman: I'm not talking about your black latex bondage mask |
| 02:16.26 | huascar | keeps telling me it cant find the package |
| 02:16.34 | CompWizrd | ack, latex, and packages |
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| 02:16.53 | abrotman | cafuego: i have one ? |
| 02:17.07 | cafuego | huascar: They'll be in non-free. |
| 02:17.22 | cafuego | abrotman: Unless you never got that parcel... |
| 02:17.39 | abrotman | cafuego: who sent it ? |
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| 02:18.41 | chealer | maher: could you tell me what's this package? |
| 02:18.51 | mwilson | hmmm |
| 02:19.03 | mwilson | Better on my eyes, too. |
| 02:19.14 | maher | chealer: apache2 only depends on one of three or four packages... |
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| 02:19.50 | chealer | maher: it depends on either apache2-mpm... |
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| 02:20.05 | maher | chealer: use the power of apt-cache show |
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| 02:21.01 | chealer | maher: do you mean just apt-cache show apache2 and so on...? |
| 02:21.07 | benjamindees | well shorewall-doc seems to be on disc 6 of woody, but haven't found shorewall yet :( |
| 02:21.13 | maher | chealer: yes |
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| 02:22.04 | abrotman | spambot is back! |
| 02:22.11 | alindeman | /kln mwilson ! |
| 02:22.18 | alindeman | :) |
| 02:22.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:22.25 | mwilson | <sigh> |
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| 02:22.45 | mwilson | Since I've changed back, I don't need to have irssi any more. :) |
| 02:22.54 | abrotman | changed back ? |
| 02:23.03 | chealer | maher: I tried quickly (with synaptic), but didn't find. one way I could know quickly, is if there was a way to know if you have a virtual package "provided". do you know how? |
| 02:23.23 | mwilson | Yeah, I put things back the way they're supposed to be. |
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| 02:23.32 | maher | chealer: apt-cache show apache2-mpm-worker |
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| 02:23.52 | cafuego | abrotman: mwilson disliked irssi, so he went back to x-chat. |
| 02:24.08 | maher | everone knows mwilson uses bitchx |
| 02:24.16 | abrotman | i thought he was an irssi user |
| 02:24.25 | cafuego | maher: being a bitch is not the same as using bitchx |
| 02:24.28 | BadMan | irssi is ok, just gotta get used to it.. forl ongest time i didntknow how to change to other windows |
| 02:24.44 | abrotman | BadMan: you know .. programs come with documentation :) |
| 02:24.45 | toukitsune | I bet no one could guess what client I use |
| 02:24.55 | abrotman | ksirc! |
| 02:25.15 | chealer | maher: AHA! thanks. |
| 02:25.19 | toukitsune | not ksirc |
| 02:25.19 | BadMan | yeah I know.. but sometimes something so simple chouldnt need docs |
| 02:25.35 | Guerin | ftlog |
| 02:25.36 | mwilson | I do? |
| 02:25.39 | Guerin | ksirc is awful |
| 02:25.44 | xam | toukitsune: please don't tell me you are really using mIRC |
| 02:25.45 | chealer | so that brings me to my second question : [repeat] how to know which packages provide a virtual package? |
| 02:25.49 | toukitsune | nope |
| 02:25.50 | mwilson | I use *epic*, thank you very much. :) |
| 02:25.51 | Guerin | no |
| 02:25.57 | Guerin | it was g4lt who used bitchx |
| 02:26.15 | abrotman | and see what happens .. he stoped coming around |
| 02:26.26 | Guerin | chealer: grep-dctrl might have a tool for it |
| 02:26.28 | toukitsune | xam: look at the version on the fake version reply. its one known for exploits. I do it to fool script kiddies |
| 02:26.39 | cafuego | !seen g4lt |
| 02:26.39 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 187d 1h 49m 57s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 02:26.51 | cafuego | See, that's where using bitchx gets you. Dead. |
| 02:27.24 | chealer | Guerin: wuah! neat |
| 02:27.54 | abrotman | cafuego: did we ban him maybe? |
| 02:28.02 | maher | chealer: grep -B4 ^Provides /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep -B4 httpd <-- ugly |
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| 02:28.06 | abrotman | i doubt it .. he was fairly nice |
| 02:28.29 | chealer | maher: that didn't do it, because "Provides: apache2-modules, apache2, httpd, httpd-cgi" |
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| 02:28.38 | chealer | maher: pretty tricky, eh? |
| 02:28.44 | toresbe | g4lt is alive |
| 02:28.50 | toresbe | just in another channel |
| 02:28.50 | chealer | maher: oooops |
| 02:28.56 | maher | chealer: grep-dcrtl |
| 02:28.56 | abrotman | mwilson: i didn't know that thing from Ian made slashdot .. |
| 02:29.00 | dondelelcaro | chealer: use grep-dctrl and search the Provides: field |
| 02:29.20 | ricochet | I just bought a DVD burner, tried to burn a cd with k3b and underlying utils, the drive started the burn, errored out, and then kept spinning full speed after I killed the apps. strangely, shutdown -h now wouldn't work after either, any ideas? |
| 02:29.22 | mwilson | abrotman: I wouldn't have any way to know... I don't bother to read slashcrap. |
| 02:29.41 | abrotman | mwilson: someone else just showed me the story .. i had read it from planet.d.n earlier today |
| 02:30.01 | chealer | maher: ok, so that works when the package is installed I guess |
| 02:30.02 | cafuego | toresbe: Did he defect to gentoo? |
| 02:30.10 | mwilson | abrotman: I don't bother with p.d.n either, most of the time. |
| 02:30.30 | toresbe | cafuego: good Lord, I hope not |
| 02:30.33 | mwilson | abrotman: Considering how long there have been debs-not-made-by-Debian, I really think he's talking just to talk. |
| 02:30.35 | maher | chealer: grep-available |
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| 02:30.47 | chealer | maher: I'm checking that package ATM :) |
| 02:30.49 | cafuego | mwilson: That's what most talk is. |
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| 02:30.57 | abrotman | mwilson: it's possible |
| 02:31.03 | toresbe | cafuego: ISTR him using Gentoo |
| 02:31.07 | toresbe | uh, I mean, Ubuntu |
| 02:31.24 | cafuego | maher: attempts, you mean? |
| 02:31.38 | maher | cafuego: yeah - you guys never listen... |
| 02:31.45 | xam | maher: you are in the wrong parallel universe my friend |
| 02:32.06 | cafuego | maher: No, we decide - upon hearing - that we don't need to listen ;-) |
| 02:32.27 | abrotman | mwilson: and the entire slashdot discussion is basically reiterating what someone was saying earlier .. that debian will die because ubuntu suceeds .. which i still don't understand how that would happen |
| 02:32.27 | maher | w grol |
| 02:32.34 | maher | doh |
| 02:32.34 | DA_ | cafuego: got some good ears man im staring HARD at this screen and cant hear a thing. |
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| 02:32.49 | cafuego | DA_: apt-get install festival |
| 02:32.53 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:32.53 | DA_ | haha |
| 02:32.59 | DA_ | never fails |
| 02:33.07 | mosty | i have an odd problem on one of my sid machines, i can't configure the kernel due to some include path errors, though the header files appear to be just as they should. yet on my other sid machine it works fine. |
| 02:33.58 | mwilson | abrotman: If it does, then it needs to. That would seem to be rather obvious. But it won't. |
| 02:33.58 | DA_ | cafuego: somehow i knew youd have a debian-related solution to what was very obviously MY problem.... :p |
| 02:34.03 | mosty | both machines run the same gcc command, and use the same apt sources (my local apt-proxy) and are both up to date. where else can i look to fix the problem? |
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| 02:34.26 | cafuego | mosty: libncurses5-dev ? |
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| 02:35.30 | madclicker | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.44 | cdc | i am using Debian Sarge and i ve installed KDE 3.3.2 now i want to install KDE 3.4 how do i do that? |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | cdc: it's not in sarge |
| 02:35.57 | Anthro | !topicsmite cdc |
| 02:35.58 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cdc. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:35.59 | mosty | cafuego: of course that's installed. these machines have been running sid for a number of years. it barfs compiling fixdep, which means i can't even do make config |
| 02:36.02 | Guerin | cdc: you wait until etch is out |
| 02:36.03 | cdc | :-( |
| 02:36.36 | abrotman | oh jeez .. .2 of kde isn't worth shit |
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| 02:36.46 | cafuego | mosty: How does it barf? |
| 02:36.49 | abrotman | oh .. it's 0.0.2 or some crap |
| 02:37.07 | chealer | cdc: ask #debian-kde if you're reading to use unofficially experimental packages |
| 02:37.23 | abrotman | like all of kde :) |
| 02:37.31 | madclicker | i had to reinstal windows, which was located on first physical drive, now my grub loader is gone, can i fix it with the installer disk? |
| 02:37.42 | chealer | bah, KDE is quite stable for me |
| 02:37.53 | FieldySnuts | @start a de war |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | dm ? |
| 02:38.00 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: ? |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | de ? |
| 02:38.01 | ravenbird | no idea, FieldySnuts |
| 02:38.03 | mosty | cafuego: there's a tree of "from foo.h: from bar.h: ..." down to "/usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:36:26: linux/limits.h: No such file or directory" |
| 02:38.05 | silverton | could anyone link me to a page that has information on how to use "cloop" ? |
| 02:38.07 | abrotman | ravenbird: you smell |
| 02:38.07 | ravenbird | abrotman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:38.47 | stew | madclicker: boot the installer, alt-f2 for a shell, mount your / partition (and /boot partition if you ahve one) chroot to / and run grub-install |
| 02:39.15 | madclicker | stew:roger |
| 02:39.19 | jonz | yes! i fixed it |
| 02:39.34 | jonz | had to patch the kernel but it reboots now |
| 02:39.43 | bohan | strange.. i can't run my configure scripts anymore since pkg-config has been upgraded to version 0.16 |
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| 02:41.13 | cafuego | mosty: Looks like you don't have a full kernel source tree, then. |
| 02:42.07 | mosty | cafuego: i have tested with a fresh tree. and linux/limits.h does exist. and i get the same error in an old tree that i still have around- same error |
| 02:43.11 | toukitsune | doh!!1 |
| 02:43.13 | dondelelcaro | mosty: have you installed linux-kernel-headers yet? |
| 02:43.19 | toukitsune | my HD got unpluged again |
| 02:43.36 | cureless | mosty: limits.h is part of libc6-dev (dpkg -S /usr/include/limits.h) |
| 02:43.47 | dondelelcaro | cureless: hint: linux/limits.h |
| 02:44.00 | benjamindees | could it be possible that shorewall isn't on the woody cds? |
| 02:44.02 | cureless | in which case it would be linux-kernel-headers :-) |
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| 02:45.14 | toukitsune | I should probably get a computer case for my HDs and mother board..... |
| 02:45.20 | cureless | or the /usr/src/linux*/include/linux/limits.h |
| 02:45.37 | myren | how can i see what shell is currently running? |
| 02:45.52 | benjamindees | ps -A|grep sh |
| 02:45.54 | Guerin | myren: help |
| 02:45.55 | cureless | myren: echo $SHELL or ps |
| 02:46.04 | [TACO] | is `discover' distro specific? |
| 02:46.11 | dondelelcaro | ugh. don't use the one in the kernel... it's likely broken. |
| 02:46.41 | Enolayale | anyone remember me? and my kernel stuff 15 minutes ago? |
| 02:46.50 | mosty | dondelelcaro: it is installed already. i have been compiling kernels on this machine for the past year or two, it broke sometime in the past week |
| 02:47.06 | madclicker | anyone running on 925 intel chipset? |
| 02:47.15 | dondelelcaro | mosty: and stat /usr/include/linux/limits.h returns what? |
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| 02:48.24 | mosty | dondelelcaro: hrm, it's not there. i was looking at include/linux/limits.h in the kernel tree |
| 02:49.09 | [TACO] | No one knows if `discover' is distro specific? |
| 02:49.14 | dondelelcaro | mosty: then reinstall linux-kernel-headrs |
| 02:49.23 | dondelelcaro | [TACO]: patches to it may be... check diff.gz |
| 02:49.25 | benjamindees | [TACO], likely not |
| 02:50.05 | [TACO] | thanks guys |
| 02:50.12 | stew | !b-e mosty |
| 02:50.13 | dpkg | mosty: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 02:50.41 | mosty | dondelelcaro: that's fixed it- thanks |
| 02:51.02 | mosty | stew: the package was already installed, but something appears to have screwed with it |
| 02:51.21 | xam | mosty: something = you? ;) |
| 02:51.32 | dondelelcaro | mosty: yeah, you may want to run chkrootkit; if you don't remember deleting it yourself |
| 02:51.37 | mosty | xam: possibly :) but now knowingly |
| 02:52.04 | xam | mosty: limits.h? I don't need any limits! |
| 02:53.09 | chealer | grep-dctrl rocks. thanks Guerin, dondelelcaro |
| 02:53.13 | mosty | dondelelcaro: this is on a firewalled private lan. i just ran chkrootkit, it didn't appear to catch anything |
| 02:53.27 | dondelelcaro | mosty: hrm... ok. Something may have eaten it then |
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| 02:53.41 | buu | Anyone know of a smallish, easy to embed language that is very easy to limit what it can do? (limit cpu usage, memory, system calls, etc) |
| 02:53.48 | dondelelcaro | mosty: always a good precaution though, when small things happen |
| 02:53.57 | chealer | one problem I have with grep-available is that it uses /var/lib/dpkg/available which is outdated for me. I'd like to know how to update that file |
| 02:53.58 | mosty | i agree |
| 02:53.59 | bob2 | limiting cpu usage is highly non-trivial |
| 02:54.02 | abrotman | buu: perl/c ? |
| 02:54.06 | benjamindees | wtf, how can shorewall be on disc 7, and shorewall-docs is on disc 6... |
| 02:54.07 | bob2 | and not possible on stock linux, afaik |
| 02:54.16 | abrotman | buu: oh .. totally got it .. Assembler! |
| 02:54.17 | dondelelcaro | chealer: dselect update; or apt-get update; should do that, iirc. |
| 02:54.40 | chealer | dondelelcaro: dselect update...ugh. apt-get update didn't help |
| 02:54.49 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: more people had shorewall-docs installed then shorewall |
| 02:54.49 | buu | abrotman: ... |
| 02:54.51 | chealer | I'll try dselect anyway |
| 02:54.53 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:54.54 | buu | abrotman: You sux =[ |
| 02:54.59 | abrotman | assembler!! |
| 02:55.17 | buu | That's not a language, it's .. |
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| 02:55.19 | buu | Something horrid |
| 02:55.22 | dondelelcaro | chealer: well, I know dselect update; will... I just couldn't remember if apt-get update; did |
| 02:55.42 | pingouin | http://82.127.192.244/index2.html , please, is the web server reachable for you AND the Videostreaming available ? |
| 02:55.51 | pingouin | try to set up the ports :/ |
| 02:56.05 | ricochet | my name resolution is amazingly slow, is there a program to cache the lookups? |
| 02:56.14 | bob2 | ricochet: ncsd should do it for you |
| 02:56.18 | chealer | dondelelcaro: heh, ok, dselect does it. as a KDE luser, I'll try to eat that pill :-P |
| 02:56.21 | ricochet | thanks |
| 02:56.22 | benjamindees | on the plus side, I figured out how to get package lists for the cds |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | buu: honestly .. asm isn't that bad at all |
| 02:56.34 | buu | abrotman: Yeah.. it is |
| 02:56.43 | abrotman | buu: no way .. i learned x86 and sparc asm :) |
| 02:56.47 | StupidMop | i was following dpkg method to upgrade from woody->sarge. and i changed "stable" to "sarge" in my sources.list But when i did the update, it gave me errors |
| 02:56.49 | buu | That sounds useful |
| 02:57.00 | abrotman | buu: not now . i'm an admin .. but i used to write asm stuff for fun :) |
| 02:57.02 | ricochet | bob2: ncsd is where? |
| 02:57.08 | bob2 | ricochet: on your system already |
| 02:57.20 | bob2 | I think |
| 02:57.43 | ricochet | # ncsd |
| 02:57.43 | ricochet | -su: ncsd: command not found |
| 02:58.05 | bob2 | rock |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | !installit |
| 02:58.05 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 02:58.25 | bob2 | dunno where it is anymore |
| 02:58.27 | ricochet | bob2, apt-cache search ncsd returns nadda |
| 02:58.29 | bob2 | it was kinda buggy, anyway |
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| 02:59.13 | chealer | just for the principle of not using dselect, does somebody know a way other than dselect update to keep /var/lib/dpkg/available up to date? :) |
| 02:59.14 | Matt_O | daikatana!! |
| 02:59.26 | abrotman | no |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | danikata |
| 02:59.43 | bob2 | chealer: no |
| 02:59.48 | bob2 | chealer: dpkg should stop caring about it |
| 02:59.56 | danikata | hi all |
| 02:59.59 | mwilson | chealer: Other than for using dselect, why do you need to keep it up-to-date? |
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| 03:00.14 | chealer | mwilson: for use with grep-dctrl (and grep-available) |
| 03:00.15 | mwilson | bob2: What's the alternative, reading Packages files in real-time? |
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| 03:00.32 | bob2 | mwilson: dpkg shouldn't care about uninstalled packages |
| 03:00.37 | bob2 | all it should use is the status file |
| 03:00.51 | dogayonv | Can anyone tell me the name of the program that renders the map of the world with a shadow showing the time zone? it can also be used as a screen saver? |
| 03:00.53 | chealer | bob2: but for knowing what provides a virtual package for example |
| 03:01.06 | chealer | anyway, since there's no way, I'll just use that |
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| 03:01.35 | chealer | it's really a principle, because dselect is required anyway :) |
| 03:01.42 | bob2 | chealer: dpkg doesn't care about that |
| 03:01.44 | Nurbs | dselect is required for what? |
| 03:02.00 | chealer | Nurbs: to update /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 03:02.30 | bob2 | chealer: you can just symlink it to /dev/null, I think |
| 03:02.32 | chealer | bob2: no but I don't know how to find what provide a virtual package without using it |
| 03:02.35 | bob2 | dpkg doesn't actually care about it |
| 03:02.43 | bob2 | chealer: apt-cache showpkg virtual-package |
| 03:02.49 | mwilson | <shrug> When the alternative is aptitude, dselect starts to look better and better. |
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| 03:03.50 | toukitsune | There is so much I want to learn about debian |
| 03:03.55 | chealer | OMG |
| 03:04.05 | toukitsune | Heck so much I want to learn about Linux/bsd in general |
| 03:04.11 | chealer | bob2: ok, you win. I wish synaptic would do that :) |
| 03:04.13 | toukitsune | cause I feel so stupid |
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| 03:04.25 | toukitsune | I know hardly anything about linux |
| 03:04.32 | bob2 | toukitsune: using is the best way to learn |
| 03:04.40 | toukitsune | I am useing |
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| 03:04.47 | bob2 | cool |
| 03:04.50 | toukitsune | and I am learning little by little |
| 03:05.02 | toukitsune | but still fell like I know hardly anything |
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| 03:05.34 | chealer | anyway, maher, you had a nice grep proposal earlier :) |
| 03:05.50 | chealer | too bad bob2's there :-P |
| 03:06.17 | pipeline | toukitsune: Eh, that's OK. It's not as if you're writing a book. |
| 03:06.51 | toukitsune | yes but I feel like I am a bother alot of times asking questions all the time in here |
| 03:07.11 | benjamindees | there's no such thing as a stupid question... |
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| 03:07.47 | benjamindees | only stupid people, asking questions |
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| 03:08.00 | benjamindees | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.03 | toukitsune | and I am one of thoes stupid people |
| 03:08.04 | xam | benjamindees: yes, there is. Eg. 'anybody here?' |
| 03:08.15 | toukitsune | anyone alive? |
| 03:08.17 | toukitsune | lol |
| 03:08.27 | benjamindees | "can I ask a question?" |
| 03:08.38 | toukitsune | lol |
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| 03:08.51 | toukitsune | that was a question being asked about asking a question..... |
| 03:08.57 | chealer | anyone use ubnutu? l0l, I have an error |
| 03:09.12 | benjamindees | chealer, people in #ubuntu do :p |
| 03:09.17 | abrotman | chealer: really .. wrong channel .. you should know better |
| 03:09.22 | toukitsune | I have ubuntu CDs but never used them yet |
| 03:09.36 | toukitsune | don't plan on it |
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| 03:09.50 | toukitsune | I actualy used the live CD and decided not to use them at all |
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| 03:10.38 | benjamindees | hmm, looks like shift change time for the central time zone |
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| 03:11.36 | Opiated | how do I clear the system from unused/unnecessery p ackages |
| 03:11.41 | Opiated | pretend I can spell :/ |
| 03:11.43 | bob2 | debfoster |
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| 03:11.47 | Opiated | ok |
| 03:11.52 | mwilson | Oh, I put Hoary on my junk box just so I could say I had. |
| 03:11.52 | mosty | deborphan |
| 03:12.09 | bob2 | mwilson: did it disappoint you in every possible way? |
| 03:12.10 | mwilson | You can't have an opinion of it, if you've never seen it. |
| 03:12.14 | Opiated | which one is it then |
| 03:12.15 | bob2 | then kick your dog? |
| 03:12.19 | Opiated | or do they both work |
| 03:12.26 | adexta | okay, i'm trying to get files off an old ZIP disk |
| 03:12.28 | bob2 | Opiated: debfoster does everything deborphan does |
| 03:12.32 | Opiated | ok |
| 03:12.36 | adexta | i haven't used ZIP drives with Linux yet |
| 03:12.48 | adexta | where would i get drivers? |
| 03:12.49 | benjamindees | anything to search for files that aren't owned by any package? |
| 03:12.54 | adexta | where would the drive be located? |
| 03:12.54 | bob2 | adexta: you don't need any |
| 03:12.56 | bob2 | benjamindees: cruft |
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| 03:13.09 | diego | hi all. if it's not too much trouble to do, i would like to clone my debian install to a different computer (with a different hard disk size). I generally use dd piped to gzip piped to netcat (and the reverse on the other machine), but I don't want to do a raw read/write as the hard disks are of different sizes. any suggestions? |
| 03:13.10 | bob2 | adexta: it'll be ide or scsi, depending on what bus it uses |
| 03:13.12 | adexta | would it be a /dev/? |
| 03:13.21 | bob2 | adexta: of course |
| 03:13.40 | mwilson | bob2: <shrug> It wasn't particularly impressive, no. |
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| 03:14.16 | Opiated | what if I just installed debfoster, would it still somehow get the list of packages installed, because in the manpage it says it keeps track of explicitly requested packages not dependencies, I have removed some packages i didn't need anymore, but I think the dependencies they installed still remain on the system, what should I do in this situation |
| 03:14.16 | mwilson | bob2: And was more ugly a design goal? :) |
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| 03:14.23 | benjamindees | diego, I think you can export a list of packages from dpkg and install them using apt |
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| 03:14.40 | rrt | can someone advise how to install a D-Link DWL-G630 pcmcia card? |
| 03:14.46 | zignig | mwilson: the hardware detection and X setup was quite impressive. |
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| 03:15.10 | mwilson | zignig: Hardware detect doesn't impress me. |
| 03:15.12 | bob2 | adexta: if you have ide-floppy loaded, it'll be a regular /dev/hd? file |
| 03:15.29 | diego | benjamindees: well it's more the configuring i've done than the packages themselves... |
| 03:15.58 | zignig | mwilson: I thought it was cool, it just worked(tm) on my new amd64 ( live cd ). |
| 03:16.06 | benjamindees | diego, tar then |
| 03:16.06 | adexta | it's password protected |
| 03:16.10 | mwilson | zignig: And it's an i810 motherboard... not like it's hard to configure X. |
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| 03:16.16 | bob2 | adexta: you're probably screwed then |
| 03:16.18 | adexta | i know teh password, i just dont' know how to open the disk |
| 03:16.26 | diego | benjamindees: sounds primitive but i guess it won't be too bad :) |
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| 03:16.50 | marco__ | Why i activate the DMA for mi disk, and when i reboot it's desactivated |
| 03:17.02 | benjamindees | diego, it is, I don't remember if g4u (ghost for unix) uses tar, but it might be easier |
| 03:17.04 | mwilson | marco__: Because you rebooted, of course. |
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| 03:17.16 | marco__ | ?¿ |
| 03:17.19 | zignig | mwilson: indeed, historicly X detection has been crap in debian |
| 03:17.24 | marco__ | soy i have to activate the DMA every time? |
| 03:17.28 | diego | benjamindees: well, it's a LAN so i'll likely just end up using sftp |
| 03:17.50 | bob2 | marco__: or get an init script to do it |
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| 03:19.58 | zignig | i've got pppoe running throught adsl , where would I add a another nameserver to get added into resolv.conf ? |
| 03:20.01 | adexta | i can't find what the ZIP drive is called under /dev/ |
| 03:20.08 | sybariten | ouch there is quite a few people here |
| 03:20.09 | adexta | it's an internal drive |
| 03:20.16 | sybariten | is there a specific channel for apt quesitons ? |
| 03:20.17 | bob2 | adexta: you should give us more information then |
| 03:20.21 | bob2 | e.g. is it ide or scsi? |
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| 03:20.28 | bob2 | does lsmod show ide-floppy loaded? |
| 03:20.31 | mwilson | zignig: Historically, Debian hasn't done X detection at all. |
| 03:20.39 | jond3rd | adexta: dmesg should tells you something about it |
| 03:21.06 | mwilson | zignig: It's not like it's hard to put in a pre-prepared XF86Config-4 and change a single line for the video driver. |
| 03:21.11 | adexta | ide-disk 12448 4 (autoclean) |
| 03:21.15 | adexta | could that be it? |
| 03:21.17 | bob2 | !+find html/manifest.xsl |
| 03:21.19 | bob2 | adexta: no |
| 03:21.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'html/manifest.xsl' (1): (/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/html/manifest.xsl, /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/xhtml/manifest.xsl) in text/docbook-xsl. |
| 03:21.26 | bob2 | adexta: modorpbe ide-floppy, then run 'dmesg' |
| 03:22.07 | adexta | modorpbe? |
| 03:22.23 | jond3rd | adexta: it's modeprobe |
| 03:22.28 | jond3rd | errr |
| 03:22.35 | mwilson | jond3rd: it is? |
| 03:22.36 | jond3rd | adexta: modprobe I mean |
| 03:22.51 | jond3rd | mwilson: typo's :) |
| 03:23.10 | adexta | command not found |
| 03:23.14 | sybariten | is there a best way to configure your apt ? |
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| 03:23.23 | sybariten | i mean, /etc/apt/souces.list |
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| 03:23.30 | mwilson | "best" way? |
| 03:23.37 | Opiated | apt-setup |
| 03:23.38 | Opiated | perhaps |
| 03:23.44 | adexta | so you can apt-get install mplayer |
| 03:23.45 | shadow98 | is there anyway in debian to set the monitor to power off after a certian amount of time |
| 03:24.01 | adexta | or make it work properly, mwilson |
| 03:24.04 | pipeline | shadow98: xset |
| 03:24.05 | bob2 | shadow98: X should do it automatically |
| 03:24.11 | bob2 | adexta: as root |
| 03:24.21 | bob2 | shadow98: if not, use "xset dpms" |
| 03:24.24 | Opiated | shadow98, install xscreensaver perhaps |
| 03:24.25 | pipeline | shadow98: make sure DPMS is enabled in your X configuration. |
| 03:24.28 | shadow98 | bob2: it runs the screen saver all long |
| 03:24.45 | bob2 | shadow98: xscreesnaver can be configured to shut it of fthen |
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| 03:24.53 | sybariten | mwilson: what i meant was, is there a good server setup you should use .. or is this distro specific perhaps ? |
| 03:25.09 | sybariten | is there a server i could have in my sources.list to find "everytning" |
| 03:25.09 | shadow98 | well i did xset dpms |
| 03:25.15 | mwilson | sybariten: No. |
| 03:25.16 | shadow98 | what does that stand for |
| 03:25.26 | danikata | is there ani program that look like superscan or look@lan in debian ? |
| 03:25.50 | pipeline | shadow98: display power management standard, IIRC |
| 03:25.50 | bob2 | danikata: you'd need to tell us what they do |
| 03:26.15 | sybariten | mwilson: ok too bad ... |
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| 03:27.09 | mwilson | bob2: Aren't they smb spies? |
| 03:27.15 | shadow98 | bob2: where do you configure xscreensaver? |
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| 03:27.37 | mwilson | bob2: You know, one of those shares-you're-not-supposed-to-be-in finders? |
| 03:27.42 | BucWheat | what is the newsgroup reader for linux? |
| 03:27.51 | mwilson | BucWheat: There's only one? |
| 03:27.52 | bob2 | shadow98: run xscreensaver-demo |
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| 03:27.56 | bob2 | mwilson: ah |
| 03:28.07 | bob2 | BucWheat: there are dozens. slrn, gnus and pan seem to be the most popular |
| 03:28.15 | BucWheat | sorry. what is the most popular :) |
| 03:28.15 | mwilson | danikata: Well? |
| 03:28.22 | BucWheat | k. i'll look into pan |
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| 03:29.33 | danikata | superscan can detect ip address in one LAN |
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| 03:29.56 | mwilson | danikata: Why do you need to detect addresses? |
| 03:30.28 | danikata | i'am a netwoek administrator |
| 03:30.41 | bob2 | that sounds unlikely |
| 03:30.47 | bob2 | but nmap is prbably the program you're looking for |
| 03:30.49 | mwilson | Sure you are. |
| 03:31.14 | danikata | now i want to use debian as my default OS |
| 03:31.33 | mngrif | danikata: wise choice |
| 03:31.36 | sybariten | can anyone here find xnview if you do apt-cache search xnview ? |
| 03:31.52 | bob2 | sybariten: http://packages.debian.org/xnview |
| 03:32.08 | mwilson | sybariten: Since Debian doesn't package it, probably not. |
| 03:32.22 | sybariten | ok |
| 03:32.23 | bizarro_paco | i have debian sid, and i am having trouble mounting my cdrom..the error says "unknown filesystem iso9660" |
| 03:32.34 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: what does 'uname -r' print out? |
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| 03:32.53 | bizarro_paco | bob2, let me check |
| 03:33.08 | danikata | but i still searching application that i usually use for my job |
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| 03:33.21 | bizarro_paco | bob2, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 03:33.46 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: ok |
| 03:34.02 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: modprobe isofs |
| 03:34.43 | bizarro_paco | bob2,it says segmentation fault |
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| 03:35.08 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: ouch |
| 03:35.36 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): shall i reboot? |
| 03:35.38 | danikata | can u give me suggestion application that can look IP address andd traffic l;a |
| 03:35.46 | toukitsune | why use Sid for 2.4.x kernel? |
| 03:35.51 | bob2 | danikata: you need to be way ore specific |
| 03:35.54 | mwilson | toukitsune: Why not? |
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| 03:36.00 | bob2 | toukitsune: 2.4 is still "better" in some situations than 2.6 |
| 03:36.10 | bob2 | toukitsune: e.g. if you're stuck with crappy proprietary drivers |
| 03:36.12 | toukitsune | I use sarge for 2.6 |
| 03:36.17 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: sounds bad |
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| 03:36.26 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: paste the last dozen lines from dmesg to #flood |
| 03:36.37 | mwilson | toukitsune: That's your choice. |
| 03:36.45 | bob2 | bah abcde |
| 03:36.45 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): how do i get to #flood? |
| 03:36.54 | bob2 | rip my thievery corporation cd, dammit |
| 03:36.58 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: /j #flood |
| 03:37.08 | zignig | bob2: they are so cool ! , whuch cd did you get ? |
| 03:37.28 | bob2 | zignig: the mirror conspiracy |
| 03:37.37 | bob2 | zignig: lebanese blonde's one of my favourite songs |
| 03:37.40 | danikata | sorry bob, i confuse to explain in english |
| 03:37.41 | mngrif | rip it and dcc it to me |
| 03:37.43 | danikata | :)) |
| 03:37.59 | bob2 | mngrif: you want me to send you 400MB of .flac's? |
| 03:38.00 | bizarro_paco | okay |
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| 03:38.06 | sybariten | do you know of any video players i should be able to find with apt-get ? |
| 03:38.08 | mngrif | bob2: i got 2mbit down :) |
| 03:38.18 | bob2 | sybariten: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 03:38.26 | bob2 | danikata: what's your native language? |
| 03:38.31 | mngrif | at least lebanese blonde... 256kbit mp3 still doesn't do the song justice |
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| 03:38.38 | danikata | indonesia |
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| 03:39.18 | zignig | bob2: got that one. :) |
| 03:39.30 | ignatz1 | hey bob2 you loser fool - debian will die as it should hahahahaha http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/11/2335221&threshold=-1&tid=163&tid=90&tid=190&tid=106 |
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| 03:39.38 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): the problem is in my other computer....how do the text to this one? |
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| 03:39.55 | chealer | sybariten: there are many if not too much. xine, totem, kaboodle, vlc |
| 03:40.05 | sciboy | Hiyo, anyone know of a uPnP client i could use to map ports on my uPnP enabled router? |
| 03:40.07 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): is there a program of some sort? |
| 03:40.19 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: lots |
| 03:40.24 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: are they both running linux? |
| 03:40.28 | inu | sybariten, but mplayer is the best ;) |
| 03:40.38 | bizarro_paco | no..the one i am on now is running....(gulp)..xp |
| 03:40.48 | Caesar | Are there any known video problems with the Sparc 2.6 kernel in Sarge? |
| 03:40.56 | Guerin | XP isn't an OS, it's an emoticon |
| 03:41.32 | mngrif | ... bash.org that |
| 03:41.34 | sciboy | XD |
| 03:41.53 | bizarro_paco | lol@guerin |
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| 03:42.59 | jcook | what's the option to boot from the 2.6 kernel (with the new debian-installer images ) ??? |
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| 03:43.12 | Guerin | jcook: F1 |
| 03:43.13 | bob2 | linux26 |
| 03:43.22 | jcook | Geert: I dont have it infront of me |
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| 03:43.24 | jcook | bob2: tah |
| 03:43.29 | Guerin | jcook: get an installer cd in english |
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| 03:43.51 | Guerin | jcook: that way you can read the damn instructions on the first screen |
| 03:43.52 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): what search term do i use in google to find a program for cutting and pasting the dmesg text? |
| 03:44.03 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: meh, don't bother |
| 03:44.04 | danikata | ok.. can i scan IP range in debian ? |
| 03:44.11 | bob2 | danikata: dude, I said nmap |
| 03:44.19 | danikata | ups |
| 03:44.23 | danikata | sorry |
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| 03:44.45 | sciboy | So no one knows of a uPnP client for linux? |
| 03:44.56 | bob2 | uPnP is a rather terrible security issue |
| 03:44.58 | bob2 | I'd hope not |
| 03:45.04 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): shall I reinstall debian? |
| 03:45.07 | bob2 | tho btdownloadcurses has upnp support |
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| 03:45.36 | sciboy | bob2: I was hoping to use it to map other ports than BT. |
| 03:45.50 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: I'd guess you have bad ram |
| 03:45.50 | sciboy | bob2: Azureus is already using that. |
| 03:46.12 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): wow....how did you guess that? |
| 03:46.16 | sciboy | bob2: and yes, i know its a horrible security flaw to have it installed, but my older brother wants it there and i plan to make use of it since it is. |
| 03:46.51 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: kernel oops usually means bad hardware |
| 03:46.55 | bob2 | sometimes a kernel bug |
| 03:47.21 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): thanx... |
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| 03:47.39 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): thankyou for your help |
| 03:47.42 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: so you know you have bad ram? |
| 03:48.07 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): well, i was going to try a reinstall of the complete OS, and see if that worked |
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| 03:48.45 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): the ram isn't easily checked because it is a notepad |
| 03:49.00 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: you can run memtest86 if you have a floppy drive |
| 03:49.17 | Quinn_Storm | bob2: you don't even need that, lilo can boot a memtest86 from your hdd |
| 03:49.20 | pipeline | bizarro_paco: You can run memtest86 through pxelinux floppy emulation if you have an ethernet port. |
| 03:49.24 | adrian_h | Hello...I have a service in /etc/init.d/ that I've manually stopped by running "/etc/init.d/foo stop", but it starts itself automatically each morning. How can I stop it from starting automatically? |
| 03:49.40 | danikata | where i find nmap ( sorry... i really dont understand ) |
| 03:49.49 | bob2 | Quinn_Storm: hm, good point |
| 03:49.51 | sciboy | My computer looks thirsty.... |
| 03:50.01 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): it is a usb floppy that i have, and i cannot get the computer to detect that either. |
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| 03:51.21 | Enolayale | Unable to load NLS charset iso8859-1 |
| 03:51.21 | Enolayale | NTFS volume version 3.1. |
| 03:51.21 | Enolayale | Unable to load NLS charset iso8859-1 |
| 03:51.21 | Enolayale | FAT: IO charset iso8859-1 not found |
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| 03:51.21 | Enolayale | and it doesn't mount my fat32 |
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| 03:53.02 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: well, you can install memtest86 and boot it from the hard disk |
| 03:53.12 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: letting it run for a while should tell you if the ram is ok or not |
| 03:53.28 | bizarro_paco | bob2, okay |
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| 03:56.29 | prahal | bizarro_paco: if you install memtest* and use grub, update-grub will do the configuration for you (you ll have a new entry for memtest in the boot menu |
| 03:57.25 | bizarro_paco | prahal:i cannot get grub to work on my notebook..i use lilo |
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| 03:58.59 | aliasd | heyas |
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| 03:59.16 | aliasd | i just installed a new kernel image, and added it as default |
| 03:59.18 | Quinn_Storm | bizarro_paco: the liloconfig program will also make an entry for it |
| 03:59.38 | aliasd | and found out that the default install of lilo doesnt provide a menu |
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| 04:00.13 | aliasd | how do i get to kernel selection from lilo when its automatically booting the default kernel without prompting? |
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| 04:00.45 | Guerin | aliasd: hold e or c |
| 04:00.49 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:00.52 | Guerin | or shift |
| 04:00.55 | jonas22 | apt wants to remove python, php, bind, and apache in order to install mysql.. why? (this is using testing) |
| 04:00.57 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, jonas22 |
| 04:00.57 | Guerin | damnit I can never remember |
| 04:00.57 | aliasd | cheers |
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| 04:01.16 | Guerin | jonas22: because you're doing something wrong |
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| 04:01.33 | bob2 | jonas22: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 04:01.37 | aliasd | thanks Guerin |
| 04:01.40 | aliasd | perfect |
| 04:01.40 | jonas22 | i figured, but i don't know what it is |
| 04:02.24 | Guerin | aliasd: which one was it? shift? |
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| 04:03.02 | jonas22 | ok bob2 |
| 04:03.11 | bob2 | that's the whole thing? |
| 04:03.23 | jonas22 | theres the non-us after that, and thats it |
| 04:03.35 | bob2 | dude |
| 04:03.40 | bob2 | paste the WHOLE thing |
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| 04:03.45 | rm-Rf | can someone recommand a news RSS consol reader ? |
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| 04:04.31 | aliasd | Guerin, shift worked for me |
| 04:05.41 | jonas22 | thats it, 4 lines |
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| 04:09.53 | jonas22 | is it wrong? |
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| 04:10.26 | kingsley | How does one tell which video card is in a box, without openning it? |
| 04:10.43 | jonas22 | lspci might give you a clue |
| 04:11.22 | jonas22 | bob2, is my sources.list bad? |
| 04:11.27 | bob2 | no |
| 04:11.28 | kingsley | jonas22: That worked. Thanks. |
| 04:11.36 | bob2 | I don't know what might be wrong, sorry |
| 04:11.42 | prahal | argh sending to pkg-dspam-misc@alioth.debian.org , my fai smtp return with rctp cannot be verified .. is this a known issue ? |
| 04:11.45 | jonas22 | thanks anyway |
| 04:12.27 | bob2 | prahal: fix your envelop-sender |
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| 04:13.52 | prahal | bob2: ? may i ask you why it could be the envelope ? |
| 04:14.08 | prahal | sender, as the error report is about the recipent |
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| 04:14.22 | prahal | said: 550-Recipient callout failed: Recipient adress can't be verified |
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| 04:14.48 | prahal | i am quite unskilled in email transport suff :( |
| 04:15.02 | k-man_ | i'm trying to set up a local ftp server |
| 04:15.06 | k-man_ | i'm using wu-ftp |
| 04:15.16 | k-man_ | but when i try and log in, it just hangs after i type in the password |
| 04:15.23 | bizarro_paco | i ahd trouble building the birnary image that came with memtest86...can i use the 'precomp.bin' image with lilo?? |
| 04:16.22 | crashbg | k-man_, did you set the wright permissions? |
| 04:16.32 | k-man_ | oh |
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| 04:16.41 | k-man_ | actually, it does seem to work, only login takes a long time |
| 04:16.56 | prahal | bob2: i want to warn them that their control file is buggy (they will upload to sid in a few days) |
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| 04:17.22 | bob2 | prahal: can you show us the whole thing from your log? |
| 04:17.52 | prahal | i can show you what i have , in #flood ? |
| 04:18.17 | a_monkey | how could i make a debian package out of a source tarball? for instance, a newer version of gDesklets? |
| 04:18.17 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): can i use the pre-built image (precomp.bin) with lilo? |
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| 04:18.21 | danikata | could u give me an example to use nmap to scanning ip range ? |
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| 04:18.52 | bob2 | bizarro_paco: of what? |
| 04:18.55 | bob2 | prahal: yes |
| 04:19.04 | bob2 | a_monkey: uupdate might be handy, from devscripts |
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| 04:20.34 | bizarro_paco | (bob2): prebuilt image of the memtest86, instead of using the progra to build you one...i ran into problems building the image file, so they give you a prebuilt image just in case, but they only say you can use it as a boot disk. |
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| 04:21.02 | a_monkey | bob2: where do i find that? |
| 04:21.09 | bob2 | a_monkey: ? |
| 04:21.14 | bob2 | a_monkey: in the devscripts package |
| 04:21.20 | a_monkey | bob2: oh. :P |
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| 04:21.45 | a_monkey | bob2: that's the easiest way to get a binary debian package out of a source tarball? |
| 04:21.55 | bob2 | no |
| 04:21.57 | bob2 | it's one way |
| 04:22.31 | a_monkey | what're some others? |
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| 04:22.43 | madclicker | l8er |
| 04:22.44 | mwilson | Oh, great... raidtools2 is dropped. |
| 04:22.45 | bob2 | why? |
| 04:22.47 | mwilson | <sigh> |
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| 04:22.56 | a_monkey | bob2: dunno, just curious |
| 04:22.57 | pipeline | mwilson: Dropped from what? |
| 04:23.19 | bob2 | a_monkey: you could package it from scratch, www.debian.org/devel |
| 04:23.22 | pipeline | a_monkey: The easiest way is usuall dh_make |
| 04:23.23 | bob2 | a_monkey: you could use checkinstall (crap) |
| 04:23.28 | mwilson | pipeline: testing and unstable, according to what I just read. I missed the discussion, I suppose... it was mentioned in passing in another bug report. |
| 04:23.34 | bob2 | a_monkey: you could make a tar.gz and convert it with alien |
| 04:23.35 | bob2 | etc |
| 04:23.42 | pipeline | mwilson: That's crazy. It must be a mistake. |
| 04:24.08 | pipeline | I could see dropping it from unstable, in preparation for etch -- but dropping it from sarge? WTF |
| 04:24.48 | mwilson | pipeline: <shrug> Apparently it's got some critical bug, although I've not found it yet. |
| 04:25.57 | chealer | maybe http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298824 |
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| 04:26.22 | chealer | "The array being modified with all data on it is lost." |
| 04:26.55 | chealer | heh, that must be why sarge isn't stable yet |
| 04:26.57 | mwilson | chealer: I agree, data loss is bad, but if you're modifying an array without a backup, you deserve whatever happens to you. |
| 04:27.03 | jonas22 | i figured out my problem |
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| 04:27.21 | jonas22 | mysql was cranky because I had too much stuff I needed to upgrade, a dist-upgrade fixed things |
| 04:27.33 | chealer | mwilson: I never used that tool, I'm not even familiar with RAID jargon, but that looks bad |
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| 04:28.35 | k-man_ | whats a good ftp server for user access? |
| 04:29.03 | k-man_ | as opposed to anonymous access? |
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| 04:29.12 | mwilson | chealer: I've got raidtools all over the place... I suppose it's time to start thinking about swapping around. |
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| 04:29.32 | chealer | "PS: it's recommended to use mdadm instead of raidtools2." |
| 04:30.00 | mlots | If I mv a file and it fails does any part of the source file get deleted? the info page is ambigous and I don't remember the file's origional size. |
| 04:30.06 | pipeline | k-man_: If at all possible, you should use SFTP |
| 04:30.16 | Xenguy | k-man_: vsftpd is worth a look |
| 04:30.18 | k-man_ | pipeline, yeah, i know *sigh* |
| 04:30.21 | mwilson | mkraid is ever so much easier to use and understand than mdadm is... you'd think that someone would bring up the cluebie factor. |
| 04:30.29 | k-man_ | thanks Xenguy |
| 04:30.38 | Xenguy | k-man_: yw |
| 04:30.59 | pipeline | k-man_: The problem with regular FTP is that a large number of FTP clients don't support TLS or SSL properly, leaving you totally fucked on security. SFTP and SCP clients, there's a baseline set of features that they're pretty much guaranteed to have, no matter what braindead client your users use. |
| 04:30.59 | prahal | mlots: i don't think so the data is not even moved anyway (ony the inode is derefenced after the copy happened) |
| 04:31.10 | prahal | *those are just wild guesses* |
| 04:31.15 | pipeline | mwilson: Eh, I think mdadm is superior, but so many people are already familiar with raidtools. It seems silly to remove it. |
| 04:31.28 | maher | mwilson: feel free to send in a patch to the bts |
| 04:31.36 | mlots | prahal: The interesting thing is some of the data was copied. |
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| 04:31.44 | k-man_ | pipeline, the problem is i want to use it with the firefox bookmark plugin which uses ftp or http for saving the bookmarks file to a server |
| 04:31.57 | k-man_ | i might investigate using http instead |
| 04:32.04 | k-man_ | for this purpose |
| 04:32.07 | mlots | What's a good way to compair the head of two files? |
| 04:32.10 | pipeline | k-man_: I'd argue that firefox extensions are a problem unto themselves, but hey, whatever floats your boat. |
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| 04:32.13 | mwilson | pipeline: I don't know about "superior"... it's like whether or not you think grub is "superior" to lilo. It does things lilo can't, same as mdadm does things the collection of raidtools can't, but that doesn't make it necessarily "superior". |
| 04:32.23 | k-man_ | mlots, using head and diff? |
| 04:32.24 | prahal | mlots: well yes it does a copy but the original data is not deleted, only its named is removed from the directory file list .. so if the name stay nothig have changed on this side |
| 04:32.40 | STARSCALLING | xchat might crash warning |
| 04:32.42 | pipeline | mwilson: I think it's easier to use than raidtools. That's all. |
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| 04:32.53 | STARSCALLING | yay! didnt |
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| 04:33.19 | mlots | k-man_: Yeah... I'd rather avoid creating a named fifo pipe. |
| 04:33.38 | k-man_ | mlots, um? huh? |
| 04:33.45 | k-man_ | hmm |
| 04:34.03 | kingsley | How can I find out which installed package(s) depend on a certain other package? |
| 04:34.21 | mlots | k-man_: I suppose I could create two new files, but that's ugly too. |
| 04:34.39 | mlots | apt-cache showpkg package shows reverse dependencies? |
| 04:34.41 | a_monkey | would gDesklets be a multiple-binary package? |
| 04:34.57 | k-man_ | mlots, is this something you want to do often? or something you just need to do the once? |
| 04:35.12 | mlots | k-man_: I hope only once. |
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| 04:35.20 | a_monkey | or library? |
| 04:35.24 | kingsley | mlots: That worked. Thanks. |
| 04:35.24 | a_monkey | i'm not sure... |
| 04:35.34 | a_monkey | no, not lib |
| 04:35.36 | k-man_ | mlots, then doing it the ugly way is ok isn't it? |
| 04:35.50 | mlots | yup, suppose so. |
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| 04:36.19 | i3dmaster | question. Noticed that most of livecd using cloop is using blocksize of 65536? Does it has to be this size? or any 512x would work? |
| 04:36.30 | mlots | I'd like to do verification of my dvd backups too though\ |
| 04:37.10 | mlots | suppose verification of an entire file's a different problem though. |
| 04:38.09 | chealer | !console-apt |
| 04:38.10 | dpkg | console-apt is probably the replacement for dselect or sadly deficient as compared to dselect, or was better before they forced dselect ideals on it, or probably a lot better than dselect for everyone who hasn't been around since hamm |
| 04:38.12 | chealer | that makes me curious, how do I try console-apt :? |
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| 04:39.05 | uman | hello @ all debianers |
| 04:39.17 | nipplesrulz | god dam you xchat |
| 04:39.36 | mwilson | Well, don't use xchat, then. |
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| 04:39.54 | mwilson | Considering that just about anything else is light-years better... |
| 04:40.03 | uman | mwilson, that's like saying "don't use Debian because it lacks xorg" |
| 04:40.11 | uman | "and just about anything is light-years better" |
| 04:41.05 | uman | *on windows |
| 04:41.07 | dondelelcaro | uman: eh? if you don't like a program, don't use it. It's that simple. |
| 04:41.14 | mwilson | uman: Feel free not to use Debian for that reason, then. |
| 04:41.29 | uman | dondelelcaro, he didn't say he didn't like it |
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| 04:41.39 | uman | dondelelcaro, at least not when I was in here |
| 04:41.59 | dondelelcaro | uman: asking a deity to damn something surely isn't a term of endearment, unless you're into B&D or something |
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| 04:42.53 | uman | dondelelcaro, whatever |
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| 04:43.34 | mwilson | fsck, my DVD player has died. |
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| 04:43.48 | chealer | same here |
| 04:43.59 | chealer | samsung |
| 04:44.41 | mwilson | My spare one is Samsung. It's OK, but nothing special. I need to get another Sony. |
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| 04:44.54 | pipeline | Hah, I've got you folks beat |
| 04:44.58 | pipeline | my DVD player is a Daewoo |
| 04:44.59 | mwilson | ? |
| 04:45.02 | pipeline | And here you thought they only made cars |
| 04:45.10 | mwilson | Daewoo makes all sorts of things. |
| 04:45.21 | dondelelcaro | that's like fuji heavy industries... |
| 04:45.23 | pipeline | I think cars are the only thing Samsung doesn't make. |
| 04:45.31 | pipeline | as the government has prohibited them from making cars |
| 04:45.35 | dondelelcaro | the question becomes "what does fuji heavy industries not make?" |
| 04:45.38 | debian | pipeline: they made cars?....oops :) |
| 04:45.53 | pipeline | debian: Well, Samsung made cars for a short period before the government fucked them in the ass over it. |
| 04:45.53 | mwilson | My Samsung won't play VCD's, and I have lots of anime discs I got in Chinatown I can't play now. :) |
| 04:46.03 | pipeline | Whoa, that's uncool. |
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| 04:46.13 | pipeline | My Daewoo will play everything but SVCD subtitles |
| 04:46.18 | debian | pipeline: why fsck them? |
| 04:46.23 | mwilson | But it plays SVCD's. it's a very strange player. |
| 04:46.33 | pipeline | I think it also doesn't support MPEG-2 multichannel, but you know, I don't have any MPEG2 multichannel audio discs. |
| 04:46.38 | mwilson | That's why it was retired in favor of the Sony in the first place. :) |
| 04:46.54 | pipeline | I think it's weirder that some players handle VCD but not SVCD |
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| 04:47.03 | pipeline | As one could conceivably build a DVD player without the ability to play back MPEG1 |
| 04:47.18 | pipeline | but SVCD doesn't require anything that you wouldn't already have in a DVD player |
| 04:47.22 | mwilson | Oh, I can believe VCD but not SVCD... the frames are larger on SVCD. |
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| 04:47.40 | mwilson | My *old* player doesn't like SVCD. |
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| 04:48.27 | mlots | Anything I should know about running a 2.4 i386 sarge kernel backported to woody? |
| 04:48.31 | mwilson | Sony builds what I like, I'll just get another one. |
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| 04:49.01 | mwilson | Although I wish I could kill Macrovision, like I could on my old Sansung. |
| 04:49.08 | jcorgan | what does it mean when IRC says 'you need to be identified to join that channel' |
| 04:49.17 | jcorgan | trying to join the #asterisk channel |
| 04:49.34 | pipeline | jcorgan: It means you have to have a valid ident response. |
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| 04:49.36 | dondelelcaro | jcorgan: it means that you need to be +e. /msg nickserv helpp register |
| 04:49.42 | Opiated | after I ran debfoster to clean up the unwanted packages, I had to re install xfce4 because my mistake probably caused something from it to get un installed, and then I just rebooted the system(i know i don't have to). when i came back to my desktop, sound wont work, audacity/xmms won't pick up the sound, and there are no volume bars shown in the mixer for xfce, i used alsamixergui and the volume levels are find, and alsaconf returned proper |
| 04:49.42 | Opiated | configuration of the card |
| 04:49.43 | dondelelcaro | s/pp/p/ |
| 04:49.46 | Opiated | wtf |
| 04:49.55 | Opiated | oh |
| 04:49.56 | Opiated | nm |
| 04:50.10 | jcorgan | ok, i'll checkout nickserv |
| 04:50.13 | jcorgan | thanks |
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| 04:51.16 | Opiated | xmms/audacity tell me that sound io can't be initialized, and that make sure i have the proper sound card. I have always been using the oss library in xmms and still on that one |
| 04:51.25 | Opiated | no sound though, I don't know what else to do |
| 04:51.36 | pipeline | I think audacity uses jack |
| 04:51.54 | mike_` | is there a flash plugin ported to llinuxppc yet? |
| 04:52.07 | dondelelcaro | mike_`: swfplayer |
| 04:52.07 | pipeline | There's the hilariously bad gplflash |
| 04:52.18 | Opiated | well when I tried to uninsall xmms it installed a whole bunch of stuff, and then i installed xmms again and it didni't installe and deps |
| 04:52.27 | Opiated | any* |
| 04:52.32 | chealer | free flash players...ugh |
| 04:52.32 | dondelelcaro | s/fp/f-p/ |
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| 04:53.01 | chealer | mike_`: the question would be if there's one worth trying |
| 04:53.29 | Opiated | could someone help me troubleshoot this please |
| 04:53.31 | dondelelcaro | heh. the answer to that is no. And it's the same answer regardless if you're using linux or windows on i386, ppc, sparc... |
| 04:53.39 | mlots | How do I enable lfn's in mkisofs? I don't think Joliet is what I want. Enabling rock ridge doesn't seem to be one of the options (except force which doesn't seem to be what I want). |
| 04:53.54 | aptING-up | my first install of debian is getting its apt-get updates and will be ready to run soon. I used a 2.4 kernel, reiser file sys on my first partion, I only have two partitions. I see the manual speaks of a tiny partition for booting. Would the installer picked this up and known what to do if I had made 3 partitions? |
| 04:53.59 | chealer | dondelelcaro: heh |
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| 04:54.18 | chealer | dondelelcaro: do you think mozilla "should" have SVG support? |
| 04:54.37 | dondelelcaro | chealer: sure, why not. |
| 04:54.43 | dondelelcaro | chealer: I mean, they have png support... |
| 04:55.00 | chealer | heh, libflash is orphaned |
| 04:55.15 | Opiated | i think i might have figured it out |
| 04:55.20 | Opiated | mikmod wasn't installed |
| 04:55.35 | mlots | looks like -R according to the examples section... |
| 04:55.41 | Opiated | xmms doesn't seem to work without it |
| 04:56.06 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I thought I saw on macromedia's website that about 12% of browsers had SVG support, is that true? which browsers support that? |
| 04:56.06 | Opiated | installed mikmod package still no sound |
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| 04:56.44 | dondelelcaro | chealer: SVG is a completely different beastie than SWF anyway, so I've no clue why we're comparing the two |
| 04:56.50 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: do you know why when compressing a cloop filesystem, the blocksize is 65536? |
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| 04:57.12 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: I don't do anything with cloop, sorry. |
| 04:57.29 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: oh ok. np. |
| 04:57.36 | chealer | ok, I thought SVG could mostly replace Flash |
| 04:58.00 | pipeline | chealer: The reasons for SVG not replacing flash are not related to browser support :P |
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| 04:58.08 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: seems hard to find out an answer though. I've been poking around for a while... :( |
| 04:58.17 | pipeline | chealer: As I understand it, talking to actual web developers, SVG is just a pain for anything non-trivial. |
| 04:58.27 | pipeline | chealer: That, and you have to do a lot of SVG work by hand, the tools aren't really there yet. |
| 04:58.34 | chealer | pipeline: ok...thanks :( |
| 04:58.37 | prahal | if only we had a free (even proprietary afaik) svg library |
| 04:58.44 | pipeline | I thought we did. |
| 04:59.12 | Opiated | could anyone kindly help me out, my sound isn't working, xmms tells me that i should make sure my sound card is configured properly, which it is, with alsaconf, no other apps i know of are using the sound |
| 04:59.28 | aptING-up | advice please! I think I am going for kde, but is gnome comparable in features? |
| 04:59.29 | prahal | chealer: i gues you are looking after SMIL (which can use svg ) |
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| 05:01.07 | prahal | aptING-up: they are both good , and have different features |
| 05:01.40 | aptING-up | prahal: what do you use? |
| 05:02.19 | prahal | this month gnome , i ll try kde 3.4 soon |
| 05:02.35 | Opiated | anyone? |
| 05:02.41 | aptING-up | this apt thing is slick and its going on a shopping spree on my other pc |
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| 05:03.02 | pipeline | Opiated: If you're using alsa, then why are you using the xmms oss output? |
| 05:03.17 | Opiated | because it seems to work better |
| 05:03.19 | pipeline | aptING-up: I use gnome, and I prefer gnome to KDE, but they're both pretty damn good |
| 05:03.24 | Opiated | the alsa library gives slight static |
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| 05:03.44 | pipeline | Opiated: Except that it's not working at all right now. Do you have anything funny in asound.conf? Did you load the module for alsa oss emulation? |
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| 05:03.55 | chance2105 | What would I pass to the kernel on boot to disable probing for USB devices / loading usb drivers? |
| 05:04.11 | Opiated | i did alsaconf, and it seemed to have properly configured the sound card and loaded the drivers |
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| 05:04.24 | Opiated | either of the two libraries output is not working atm |
| 05:04.27 | Opiated | alsa or oss |
| 05:04.40 | aptING-up | thanks pipeline |
| 05:04.46 | chance2105 | I've started to install sarge, and on reboot the kernel panics when probing my usb hardware :/ |
| 05:06.26 | jonz | hmm is there a way to get a system's temperature via /proc or /sys ? |
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| 05:06.42 | Opiated | pipeline, /usr/share/doc/libasound2/examples/asound.conf_dmix is the only asound.conf file i have in the whole system (locate asound.conf) |
| 05:07.36 | chealer | jonz: do you know about lm-sensors? |
| 05:07.40 | Opiated | maybe libasound2 is required? |
| 05:07.44 | jonz | er, nope |
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| 05:07.54 | jonz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.05 | chealer | !tell jonz about lm-sensors |
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| 05:08.30 | jonz | hmm that's a tad overkill, i gather that's all there is that's standard? |
| 05:09.21 | pipeline | jonz: PC sensors are usually horribly miscalibrated anyway. They're really only useful to watch for rapid changes. The absolute value is pretty much meaningless. |
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| 05:12.02 | liable | jonz: there is info in /proc/acpi/i/cant/remember/exactly |
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| 05:14.22 | chance2105 | Debian is .. so .. easy to install now. Wow. |
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| 05:15.23 | Sir | hi |
| 05:15.43 | Sir | any1 know gaim well? |
| 05:15.47 | inu | chance2105, shh don't tell people, we might lose our hardcore pretense |
| 05:15.54 | Sir | ? |
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| 05:16.07 | Sir | gaim the chat program for linux |
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| 05:16.14 | chealer | Sir: #gaim |
| 05:16.19 | Sir | ? |
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| 05:16.38 | Sir | (I suck asse with Linux) |
| 05:16.39 | chealer | Sir: yes, /join #gaim |
| 05:16.48 | Sir | how? |
| 05:16.56 | chealer | Sir: type it |
| 05:16.56 | Sir | my bro helped me |
| 05:17.02 | Sir | kk |
| 05:17.06 | Sir | #gaim |
| 05:17.11 | inu | oh god |
| 05:17.17 | chealer | Sir: /join #gaim |
| 05:17.22 | Sir | im a noob geez! |
| 05:17.27 | chealer | !noob |
| 05:17.27 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 05:17.45 | Sir | Sir: /join #gaim |
| 05:17.51 | Sir | dam it! |
| 05:17.51 | chance2105 | inu: well, I'm installing debian, coming from a rather 'hard-core' distro .. hopefully debian can get some of my issues worked out |
| 05:18.01 | chealer | Sir: type just /join #gaim |
| 05:18.12 | Sir | inu means dog in jappinies |
| 05:18.37 | Sir | ty |
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| 05:19.47 | inu | you don't say |
| 05:19.48 | chance2105 | I've always wondered what the word 'dog' was in Japanese |
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| 05:21.14 | mlots | Do woody's kernels have an iso9660 lfs bug? |
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| 05:26.14 | simonrvn | mlots: woody's kernels are patched |
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| 05:29.10 | Quinn_Storm | hey, I don't know if anyone from then is still here, but I followed that postfix/courier tutorial, and it looks great except for one big problem...I can't figure out how to have it also let me fetch mail from my local accounts |
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| 05:29.27 | xion`os2k | Call Paul Merlin : 1-925-376-3116 |
| 05:29.27 | xion`os2k | Call Paul Merlin : 1-925-376-3116 |
| 05:29.28 | DoctaBu | Hi there--- I want to install an updated orinoco driver onto my sarge debian install from here (http://ozlabs.org/people/dgibson/dldwd/), and I was wondering how to do it. I'm clueless. |
| 05:29.28 | xion`os2k | Call Paul Merlin : 1-925-376-3116 |
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| 05:29.39 | simonrvn | depends. pop3 or imap |
| 05:29.40 | nipplesrulz | brb debugging xchat |
| 05:29.40 | bjx0 | lol |
| 05:30.52 | simonrvn | @ops xion`os2k ) Call Paul Merlin |
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| 05:30.53 | Quinn_Storm | simonrvn: so far I've just tried imap, I'll try pop3 now |
| 05:30.53 | xion`os2k | Call Paul Merlin : 1-925-376-3116 |
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| 05:30.53 | xion`os2k | Call Paul Merlin : 1-925-376-3116 |
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| 05:30.53 | xion`os2k | Call Paul Merlin : 1-925-376-3116 |
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| 05:30.54 | uman | wtf |
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| 05:30.54 | uman | ban that little fucker |
| 05:30.58 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: xion`os2k ) Call Paul Merlin |
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| 05:31.11 | simonrvn | @ops xion`os2k ) Call Paul Merlin~[3~! |
| 05:31.12 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: xion`os2k ) Call Paul Merlin~[3~! |
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| 05:31.15 | xion`os2k | Call Paul Merlin : 1-925-376-3116 |
| 05:31.17 | xion`os2k | Call Paul Merlin : 1-925-376-3116Call Paul Merlin : 1-925-376-3116 |
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| 05:31.21 | simonrvn | woops |
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| 05:31.27 | simonrvn | thank you |
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| 05:31.47 | simonrvn | sorry for the double |
| 05:31.51 | Quinn_Storm | simonrvn: anyway, I just tried pop3 and it went The server said: "Maildir: No such file or directory" |
| 05:31.54 | simonrvn | laggy :/ |
| 05:32.03 | simonrvn | Quinn_Storm: default is ~/Maildir |
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| 05:32.37 | DoctaBu | anybody??? |
| 05:32.40 | Quinn_Storm | simonrvn: hmm, so how would I get the whole system set up so that my mail is actually delivered properly? I mean doesn't it go to /var/spool/mail/$user right now? |
| 05:32.50 | DoctaBu | I want to install an updated orinoco driver onto my sarge debian install from here (http://ozlabs.org/people/dgibson/dldwd/), and I was wondering how to do it. |
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| 05:33.03 | simonrvn | Quinn_Storm: default is ~/Maildir for courier |
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| 05:33.15 | Quinn_Storm | simonrvn: ok, so I just have to make a ~/Maildir in /home/$user ? |
| 05:33.23 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 05:33.38 | Quinn_Storm | simonrvn: The server said: "Maildir invalid (no 'cur' directory)" |
| 05:33.44 | Quinn_Storm | maybe I should send myself a message firstr |
| 05:33.45 | Quinn_Storm | first^ |
| 05:33.48 | simonrvn | maildirmake |
| 05:34.08 | simonrvn | rtfm. explains this. www.courier-mta.org |
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| 05:34.41 | Quinn_Storm | simonrvn: okay, I'm switching from exim so its complicated |
| 05:35.11 | simonrvn | exim is an mta. courier has an mta, imapd, pop3d. |
| 05:35.29 | Quinn_Storm | simonrvn: yeah I'm only using courier for the imapd & pop3d so actually postfix is my new mta |
| 05:36.26 | chance2105 | Which package do you reconfigure to use Debian's tools to set up the X server? dpkg-reconfigure <which package> |
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| 05:37.27 | Quinn_Storm | okay, it looks like I need to either reconfigure procmail or courier |
| 05:37.30 | mlots | xserver? xserver-common? |
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| 05:38.27 | vaq | Is it possibel to run vmware in BSD? |
| 05:38.29 | beata | Sarge install on an oldworld mac G3 was a spectacular failure. |
| 05:38.29 | vaq | OpenBSD etc. |
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| 05:38.42 | DoctaBu | nooobody will helpp mee :( |
| 05:38.43 | caphuso | vaq: ask vmware |
| 05:38.54 | vaq | caphuso: well maybe someone in here know.. |
| 05:39.14 | chance2105 | The packagename was xserver-xfree86 .. took me a bit there |
| 05:39.45 | chance2105 | I couldn't remember, I thought I was a linux freak when I figured that bit of debian magic out |
| 05:39.53 | chance2105 | back like .. it seems like 12 years ago |
| 05:40.10 | chealer | chance2105: using configure-debian may make you less freaky :) |
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| 05:43.10 | mlots | Arg, why is dvdrecord now giving me errors saying there was no error, but not doing what I want... |
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| 05:45.35 | kronoman | Hi everybody. One question, a good pdf viewer ? I used to use xpdf, but I want something better... |
| 05:46.51 | Quinn_Storm | is there a way to reconfigure procmail to use maildirs by default, and to have maildirs created on the addition of new (interactive) users by default? I'm looking at the procmail info and it doesn't seem possible...should I maybe find a way to reconfigure postfix to drop the mail off in a maildir instead? |
| 05:47.06 | dingo | kronoman, ghostview |
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| 05:47.24 | caphuso | Quinn_Storm: /usr/share/doc/procmail/README.Maildir |
| 05:47.35 | kronoman | thanks, but I want something that will integrate better with XFce4 , you know, the looks |
| 05:47.37 | Quinn_Storm | caphuso: that only covers setting it per-user in .procmailrc |
| 05:47.37 | mikala | quinn_storm: setting up the DEFAULT to $HOME/Maildir/ |
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| 05:48.04 | Quinn_Storm | mikala: where would I set that for procmail? or should I just drop procmail and set it somewhere in postfix's config? |
| 05:48.05 | caphuso | Quinn_Storm: and it doesn't work in /etc/procmailrc? that's weird... |
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| 05:48.21 | Quinn_Storm | caphuso: no procmail doc mentions /etc/procmailrc (and no such file exists now) |
| 05:48.21 | caphuso | Quinn_Storm: oh, wait, you didn't even think of trying that, right? |
| 05:48.27 | caphuso | Quinn_Storm: liar |
| 05:48.35 | Quinn_Storm | caphuso: prove me wrong |
| 05:48.48 | mikala | in /etc/procmailrc |
| 05:48.59 | caphuso | q# man procmail 2> /dev/null | col -b | grep /etc |
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| 05:49.01 | FirstLite | kronoman: I've had some luck with gpdf (a GNOME app). That probably doesn't integrate with xfce4 much better, though :) |
| 05:50.04 | caphuso | and, oh, what a surprise, it's also mentioned in the procmailrc man page |
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| 05:51.17 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 05:51.33 | freewoody | I just installed Debian Sarge 3.1 with kernel 2.4.27 |
| 05:51.44 | freewoody | Great to be using Debian side by side with FreeBSD |
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| 05:52.18 | freewoody | How do I use Xorg instead of Xfree86 ? Do I have to upgrade the kernel ? |
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| 05:52.33 | caphuso | freewoody: you don't |
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| 05:53.04 | walnuck | hi i'm trying to chmod all binaries,i'm trying to sort of trying to place limits on interpolations -> find -type f -exec ""file '{}'|awk -- '{ ($2 ~ "Bourne") system("echo 1") }'"" \ ; this is not working... |
| 05:53.07 | walnuck | any hint ? |
| 05:53.17 | b33r | how do I add /usr/local/bin to path? |
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| 05:53.32 | caphuso | b33r: edit your ~/.bash_profile |
| 05:53.40 | b33r | thanks |
| 05:53.40 | cafuego | walnuck: Trying to chmod all binaries? Why? |
| 05:53.50 | freewoody | How do I remove the title from the Gnome-Terminal and use just a standard title ? |
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| 05:54.06 | walnuck | cafuego, cuse netbeans with sun's installer has everyone set to rwx.. |
| 05:54.08 | caphuso | shell scripts are by definition not binaries |
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| 05:54.29 | cafuego | walnuck: oh god |
| 05:54.36 | freewoody | My Graphics is not looking great. How do I improve the resolution? Which packages do I need for this ? |
| 05:54.36 | toukitsune | I have a processor that is not on the list for binary debian install. how would I install debian source? |
| 05:54.37 | cafuego | walnuck: Did you email Sun and abuse them? |
| 05:54.41 | walnuck | cafuego, that was an example.. |
| 05:54.47 | cafuego | toukitsune: what cpu? |
| 05:54.49 | walnuck | cafuego, i am :) |
| 05:55.02 | Coke | freewoody: you configure your x server |
| 05:55.07 | caphuso | freewoody: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:55.08 | walnuck | cafuego, at least they did their crappy jdk chmod properly.. |
| 05:55.10 | freewoody | Yes I did |
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| 05:55.20 | caphuso | freewoody: then do it better |
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| 05:55.25 | cafuego | walnuck: Well actually, 'apt-cache show java-package' |
| 05:55.54 | Coke | cafuego: in wht dist is that? |
| 05:55.55 | cafuego | walnuck: I *think* there 's a package which contains file perms and ownership info, no idea what it would be, though. |
| 05:55.55 | walnuck | cafuego, well its bash, hey awk is a bitch sometimes.. |
| 05:56.09 | cafuego | Coke: sarge+ |
| 05:56.19 | Coke | cafuego: I run sarge, I don't think I have java-package |
| 05:56.27 | cafuego | Coke: contrib or non-free |
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| 05:56.30 | randyg | welp, I'm been trying for about 14 hours now to burn a DVD, and so far all I have to show for it is frisbees... dvd+rwtools comes with growisofs, which either exits instantly with no errors, starts the burn then exits with a scsi error, or causes a hard lockup (reset requiring). dvdrecord just spits out scsi errors... drive is new iomagic drive, kernel 2.6.10. tried both with ide-cd, atapi: on dvdrecord, and ide-scsi.... |
| 05:56.39 | randyg | any hints? am I missing something stupid? |
| 05:56.40 | freewoody | How can we diagnose X Server problems and settings |
| 05:56.41 | Coke | cafuego: oh |
| 05:56.52 | cafuego | toukitsune: What processor? |
| 05:56.58 | walnuck | freewoody, there's a log under /var/log |
| 05:57.02 | freewoody | Which fonts do we need ? |
| 05:57.55 | Coke | freewoody: you read the logs and you need the fonts you want |
| 05:58.01 | freewoody | It says: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist |
| 05:58.22 | Coke | freewoody: as long as xfonts-base is installed, you don't need anything else. |
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| 05:59.08 | Coke | randyg: growisofs |
| 05:59.09 | randyg | also tried it on both my standard motherboard ide and the raid IDE controller... no change except the soft lockups with the raid controller become hard lockups with the standard ide controller. |
| 05:59.37 | Coke | randyg: running 2.6 kernel and growisofs obsoletes the use of scsi emulation. |
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| 06:00.11 | FirstLite | randyg: I actually got my DVD drive to burn properly with dvdrecord by burning a CD first (dummy mode OK). I kid you not. I think I have an IOMagic too. Hang on, I'll check . . . |
| 06:00.18 | freewoody | yes, xfonts-base is installed |
| 06:00.32 | randyg | Coke: growisofs, raid controller or standard controller, ide-cd: spits out scsi errors. tried scsi emulation instead: either spits out scsi errors, causes the growisofs process to hang, or when it's on the motherboard's standard IDE controllers, causes a hard lockup needing me to hit the reset button. |
| 06:00.49 | Coke | randyg: scsi emu should be deactivated. |
| 06:01.00 | randyg | I tried without scsi emulation first; only enabled it when it didn't work. |
| 06:01.09 | freewoody | Hey guys and dolls, can you please check my /var/log/XFree86.0.log at: http://pastebin.com/270311 |
| 06:01.20 | walnuck | anyone tried debian on a sony vaio laptop, i'm afraid of the sonypi module saying it can cause permanent damage_, apparently I'm too scared I have to reboot my laptop into goddam xp for dimming the screen.. |
| 06:01.54 | randyg | I'll turn it off and try again, but everything I tried with it off just gave scsi errors. |
| 06:02.03 | freewoody | http://pastebin.com/270311 |
| 06:02.28 | Coke | randyg: might be something with your particular hw device. google it. |
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| 06:02.47 | Coke | freewoody: does X not start? |
| 06:02.51 | randyg | tried googling it, couldn't find anything useful. |
| 06:03.05 | randyg | nor did googling the errors find anything |
| 06:03.13 | Coke | freewoody: it looks fine, what is your problem? |
| 06:03.46 | simonrvn | i can attest to that |
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| 06:03.57 | FirstLite | randyg: Yes, I have an IOMagic IDVDRW8D, and I have to burn a CD first before it will work. This is repeatable, too. I know it sounds bizarre . . . |
| 06:04.11 | Coke | randyg: I have a panasonic dual layer burner and it just works and most of my friends just had them working too, no effort. |
| 06:04.28 | simonrvn | bwahaha |
| 06:04.31 | Coke | randyg: on the other hand, my colleague tried to burn with the 2.6.10 and it hung his _hardware_ |
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| 06:04.40 | randyg | hrmm. I've got about 14 hours of effort into this. |
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| 06:04.44 | Coke | randyg: I run 2.6.8 and it worked fine. |
| 06:04.51 | ggl_6 | how do I set an environment variable? |
| 06:04.53 | freewoody | Coke, why do I see this message => The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist. |
| 06:05.01 | MobyTurbo | !ops KungFu is a porn-spam bot |
| 06:05.02 | Coke | freewoody: because it doesn't exist |
| 06:05.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KungFu is a porn-spam bot |
| 06:05.07 | randyg | ggl: export foo=whatever |
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| 06:05.17 | ggl_6 | thanks! |
| 06:05.20 | mooded | god dammit . |
| 06:05.22 | mooded | fuck kungfu spambot |
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| 06:05.40 | walnuck | haha |
| 06:05.42 | MobyTurbo | caphuso: thanks |
| 06:06.03 | Coke | randyg: at this point, all I can say is that my colleague used a 2.6.10 AC patched kernel and his hardware crashed big time, I use 2.6.8 and it works flawless. I'm not saying it has to do with the kernel, just speculating. |
| 06:06.22 | walnuck | caphuso, so what style did you use in your kick? |
| 06:06.54 | caphuso | walnuck: huh? |
| 06:07.02 | randyg | hrmm. think it's worth trying .12-rcX? I had major usb problems with .8.1. |
| 06:07.11 | randyg | (usb wouldn't stay up for more than 5 minutes) |
| 06:07.18 | freewoody | Coke, will that matter ? |
| 06:07.19 | walnuck | caphuso, do you know kungfu? |
| 06:07.24 | randyg | so going back to .8 might not be too wise |
| 06:07.33 | walnuck | caphuso, "kungfu" oowwaaa! |
| 06:08.00 | caphuso | walnuck: ah... drunken monkey. what else? :) |
| 06:08.10 | Coke | freewoody: yes, any font reffering to aliases pointing to the font contained in that directory will get an error or a default instead. |
| 06:08.33 | freewoody | Well, how do I go about creating those directories ? |
| 06:08.43 | freewoody | Any help would be appreciated |
| 06:08.49 | DuckTales | mkdir directory? |
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| 06:08.58 | Coke | freewoody: why would you want to create those directories? |
| 06:09.07 | randyg | Coke: I'm definitely having crashes... sec, browsing the .11 changelog for anything that looks relevant. |
| 06:09.30 | Coke | randyg: yeah, a problem that big should have been noticed if it indeed is the kernel |
| 06:09.34 | freewoody | Well how do I go about installing those anti-aliased fonts ? |
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| 06:10.02 | Coke | freewoody: anti-aliasing has nothing to do with the font files. |
| 06:10.27 | freewoody | How do I installed this files in directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" does not exist. |
| 06:11.15 | Coke | freewoody: there are several font packages that put files in that directory. |
| 06:11.20 | freewoody | Is there a way to install those fonts using: apt-get install ? |
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| 06:11.38 | Coke | freewoody: ofcourse. |
| 06:12.06 | freewoody | How do I do that ? |
| 06:12.08 | freewoody | :D |
| 06:12.16 | Coke | freewoody: apt-get install <package name> |
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| 06:12.46 | kronoman | freewoody: I managed to install ttf fonts that looks nice, just a couple of hours ago, with this tutorial : http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/TT-Debian.html |
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| 06:12.56 | kronoman | with that, I installed a lot of ttf fonts that I had on a CD |
| 06:13.02 | Coke | You don't need TTF fonts. |
| 06:13.19 | kronoman | well, I do need ttf fonts because I do a lot of printing stuff, and they do look nice |
| 06:13.23 | jbAU | Will Sid (unstable) go to testing when Sarge goes to stable? |
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| 06:13.38 | Coke | I find the fonts that come with Debian to be sufficient for printing. |
| 06:14.40 | freewoody | I don't understand the line: main/binary-*/x11/xfs_*.deb. |
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| 06:15.35 | Coke | freewoody: it looks like some sort of path in the package repository. |
| 06:15.49 | freewoody | What is XFS ? |
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| 06:16.00 | simonrvn | binary-$your arch)/x11/xfs_$version-$arch.deb |
| 06:16.04 | DuckTales | freewoody, man xfs |
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| 06:16.16 | simonrvn | s/\$/\$(/ |
| 06:16.19 | jm_ | or apt-cache show xfs |
| 06:16.22 | Coke | freewoody: X font server. not needed unless you plan to use X remotely and your local X doesn't have access to the same fonts as the remote |
| 06:17.05 | freewoody | Well should I use XFree86 or XFS ?? |
| 06:17.20 | Coke | freewoody: they don't even do the same thing, why would there be a choice between them? |
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| 06:17.38 | walnuck | freewoody, xfs is waste of processing if you're not remotely connecting, you can use ssh -X (tunneling protocol) |
| 06:17.38 | Coke | it's like saying "should I use the floppy drive or the tampon" |
| 06:17.49 | freewoody | OK I get it |
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| 06:18.16 | jbAU | Coke: that's a saying i must admit i've never heard b4 |
| 06:18.18 | walnuck | freewoody, ssh is a remote client, noticed -X, for tunneling X programs to the display |
| 06:18.27 | freewoody | What's the difference between TrueType and other fonts |
| 06:18.29 | jbAU | Coke: i would use a usb drive :) |
| 06:18.38 | Coke | freewoody: google it |
| 06:18.40 | streuner | freewoody: read a book |
| 06:18.48 | Coke | this isn't 20 questions. |
| 06:18.54 | streuner | freewoody: or google |
| 06:19.14 | walnuck | freewoody, better-> wiki wiki! ->wikipedia.org |
| 06:19.19 | freewoody | Just give me a short description |
| 06:19.20 | Coke | google has done more for education than any other single tool. :) |
| 06:19.27 | Coke | as well as misinformation |
| 06:19.33 | jbAU | freewoody: bah who needs google: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truetype |
| 06:19.34 | freewoody | Yeah |
| 06:19.47 | walnuck | Coke, no, wiki wiki has! at wikipedia.org :) |
| 06:19.49 | Coke | jbAU: google would have found it in wikipedia |
| 06:20.16 | jbAU | Coke: not if you just typed 'truetype' maybe if you type 'what is truetype' |
| 06:20.17 | Coke | walnuck: ok, then make wikipedia give me whitepapers on the m-audio 1010LT chipset. |
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| 06:21.33 | freewoody | What are the cyrillic fonts used for ? |
| 06:21.35 | randyg | 1.5MB of changelong, and I can't find anything that looks like this... hrmm. I did, however, notice a _lot_ of generic "ide cleanup" type changes. guess it's time to try .12-rc2 and see what happens. |
| 06:21.41 | randyg | s/long/log |
| 06:21.42 | Coke | although, yes, google is not good for searching on one word possibly within millions of contexts. |
| 06:21.44 | walnuck | Coke, well wiki wiki is wikiii !! its a matter of time !! yayyy I win !! |
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| 06:22.05 | walnuck | Coke, no, but seriously, it is a great tool for clubies.. |
| 06:22.08 | Coke | freewoody: cyrillic letters, quit asking stupid questions |
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| 06:22.19 | aptING-up | I have just got my first linux running,,,,,,,, what is the "magic word" to make kde run? |
| 06:22.30 | Coke | aptING-up: "bite me" |
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| 06:22.36 | caphuso | aptING-up: "harder, faster, kick my ass!" |
| 06:22.41 | jbAU | walnuck: wikipedia to the rescue! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic |
| 06:22.51 | aptING-up | Coke: I will send you a pepsi |
| 06:22.54 | jm_ | aptING-up: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 06:23.02 | caphuso | aptING-up: actually it's "apt-get install x-window-system-core kde" |
| 06:23.05 | Coke | caphuso: if Scooter would change his lyrics to that I might respect him as a low-level biolocial organism. |
| 06:23.16 | walnuck | jbAU, a new blog-definition should include wikiness... i hate "blog" its so un-wiki... |
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| 06:23.19 | jm_ | wait that's not the right factoid |
| 06:23.23 | aptING-up | oh dear |
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| 06:23.41 | jm_ | /msg dpkg /.xsession |
| 06:23.45 | jbAU | walnuck: indeed - why do blogs not have wiki power? *cries* |
| 06:23.46 | jm_ | I guess ~ got eaten there ;) |
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| 06:24.01 | simonrvn | *cchomp* *chomp* |
| 06:24.05 | jonz | hmm which package has ifconfig in it :\ |
| 06:24.09 | caphuso | jm_: it's becuase '~~/.xsession' looks stupid |
| 06:24.14 | jm_ | caphuso: yeah |
| 06:24.20 | Coke | jbAU: for the same reason that hand guns don't have nuclear power; it doesn't need it to fulfill it's purpose. |
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| 06:25.43 | freewoody | My resolution looks abit blur ? |
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| 06:25.54 | jm_ | no it doesn't |
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| 06:26.11 | jbAU | Coke: oh you don't have a handgun with nukes? man you are behind the times! :) At least my Brisbane Australian hand guns have computer processors! - www.metalstorm.com |
| 06:26.22 | dama | anyone using kopete |
| 06:26.26 | sameer | hey where can i find some info on how xserver works .. |
| 06:26.36 | Coke | freewoody: the answer is; change it! |
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| 06:26.49 | randyg | hrmm, forgot I still have the 2.6.8.1 kernel installed... might as well try it before compiling .11.7 |
| 06:27.10 | Coke | what's up with the new versioning scheme anyway? |
| 06:27.15 | randyg | I won't have any mouse due to the usb problems, but at least I'll see if .8 helps. :) |
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| 06:27.28 | FirstLite | jonz: In unstable, it's "net-tools" apparently |
| 06:27.34 | walnuck | about coolness in this digital world, there's sickos now coming up with the new acronym "spit", in case anyone likes to hear out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spit_%28VoIP_spam%29 disgusting.. |
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| 06:27.52 | freewoody | Coke, it is the best resolution |
| 06:27.54 | keyvan__ | hey |
| 06:28.01 | walnuck | I want wiki! |
| 06:28.04 | freewoody | 800x600 at 72 Hz |
| 06:28.08 | Coke | freewoody: then buy better hw |
| 06:28.13 | keyvan__ | would anyone mind lending me a hand with burning an iso in ubuntu? |
| 06:28.21 | keyvan__ | so i can pm them.. so as not to flood the channel |
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| 06:28.32 | jbAU | keyvan__: oh man you are asking for trouble |
| 06:28.35 | keyvan__ | :( |
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| 06:28.39 | randyg | keyvan: don't ask to ask... just ask the question. and don't pm people. |
| 06:28.45 | keyvan__ | alrighty then |
| 06:28.54 | Coke | keyvan__: and this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 06:28.55 | dama | no one uses kopete? |
| 06:29.01 | jbAU | keyvan__: and just dont say the 'ubuntu' part |
| 06:29.01 | keyvan__ | oh crap |
| 06:29.02 | ledet | !tell keyvan__ about ubuntu |
| 06:29.14 | keyvan__ | i accidently typed debian, meant ubuntu lol, no wonder so many users :) |
| 06:29.16 | Coke | dama: I'm sure a lot of fucking people use kopete, but polling for it in an IRC channel won't get you many answers. |
| 06:29.16 | walnuck | keyvan__, get a cigarette lighter, then come back here, and I'll tell u how |
| 06:29.20 | jonz | er does anyone know the name of the package that contains ifconfig? i accidentally deleted it and need to reinstall from the cd |
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| 06:29.29 | jm_ | jonz: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:29.29 | dondelelcaro | jonz: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:29.33 | jonz | cool |
| 06:29.38 | dondelelcaro | !find sbin/ifconfig |
| 06:29.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/ifconfig' (1): (/sbin/ifconfig) in net/net-tools. |
| 06:29.49 | jonz | thx |
| 06:29.50 | dama | Coke: then how to get answers? |
| 06:29.53 | keyvan__ | ill ask in ubuntu first, thanks, sry about that |
| 06:29.55 | Coke | dama: by asking REAL questions |
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| 06:30.00 | Coke | ~tell dama about ask |
| 06:30.04 | Keshek | hey everyone |
| 06:30.05 | ntrm | Hi, I did an apt-get dist-upgrade, and now my fonts are ugly. How might I fix this? |
| 06:30.25 | jm_ | ntrm: dist-upgrade your glasses too? *grin* |
| 06:30.28 | dama | Coke: that's a logical first q. |
| 06:30.31 | dondelelcaro | ntrm: uh, depends what you mean by ugly... but dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig; may help you |
| 06:30.34 | Coke | dama: no |
| 06:30.42 | Coke | dama: do you expect 700+ users to respond to your question? |
| 06:30.48 | Coke | "does anybody here use 2.6.10" ? |
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| 06:30.54 | dondelelcaro | dama: next time, just ask the question you really have... if no one knows, they won't answer. |
| 06:30.54 | Coke | "does anybody this?" |
| 06:30.58 | dondelelcaro | Coke: I think we get the point. |
| 06:31.05 | dama | No, only those whom the q is relevant. |
| 06:31.16 | walnuck | Coke, or does anyone "dis" yuck yuck.. |
| 06:31.17 | ntrm | dondelecaro: Thanks. Anti-aliasing seems to be broken, which is especially visible on bold fonts. |
| 06:31.20 | Coke | dama: and what if it is around 500 users? |
| 06:31.32 | dondelelcaro | ntrm: yeah, that's usually a function of fontconfig |
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| 06:31.35 | sameer | hey where can i find some info on how xserver works .. |
| 06:31.36 | sameer | hey where can i find some info on how xserver works .. |
| 06:31.38 | Coke | dama: do you really think they would flood the channel with 500 "yes" ? |
| 06:31.41 | Keshek | is there anyone that could help me with installing the nvidia 3d drivers |
| 06:31.42 | dondelelcaro | sameer: what in particular about it? |
| 06:31.48 | walnuck | sameer, wiki!! |
| 06:31.52 | sameer | noting just basics |
| 06:31.54 | miyo | dama: Your question excludes all the people who might know the answer to your q, but who are not using kopete anymore :P |
| 06:31.56 | sameer | whats wiki |
| 06:31.57 | dama | Coke: i say only whom the q is relevant. |
| 06:32.03 | dondelelcaro | Keshek: have you follewed dpkg's nvidia instructions yet? |
| 06:32.07 | sameer | whats wiki |
| 06:32.09 | Coke | dama: and I said "what if that's 500 people" ? |
| 06:32.15 | walnuck | sameer, wiki is for wikiness!!! wikipedia.org !!! wiiiikiii :) |
| 06:32.26 | dama | COke, you talk about 500, 700, i don't even get one. |
| 06:32.32 | jbAU | sameer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki |
| 06:32.35 | Keshek | im not sure, ive tried several methods |
| 06:32.39 | jbAU | dama: yes |
| 06:32.40 | Coke | dama: because we get a dozen morons every hour polling like you did |
| 06:33.03 | DuckTales | debian is so much better then Fedora |
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| 06:33.09 | dama | COke: fuck you and bye |
| 06:33.10 | DuckTales | Fedora has like no packages in it's repository. |
| 06:33.16 | DuckTales | debian has like everyone |
| 06:33.16 | jbAU | DuckTales: because it has super cow power! |
| 06:33.21 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 06:33.21 | dpkg | Mandrake owns! |
| 06:33.25 | jm_ | Coke: now do !+customer |
| 06:33.31 | Coke | !+customer |
| 06:33.31 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 06:33.35 | Coke | hehehe. |
| 06:33.36 | DuckTales | !start a distro war |
| 06:33.36 | dpkg | Mandrake rocks! |
| 06:33.40 | DuckTales | lol |
| 06:33.42 | Coke | I just gave him a little Bender-love. |
| 06:33.45 | DuckTales | Does it say Mandrake everytime |
| 06:33.53 | streuner | no |
| 06:34.15 | DuckTales | !start a distro war |
| 06:34.15 | dpkg | RedHat owns! |
| 06:34.20 | Coke | !customers |
| 06:34.20 | dpkg | Debian isn't about customers. Debian doesn't sell *any* products. Debian is about users, who are also the developers, not any "potential customers". If you want to be somebody's customer, buy a Debian CD from a vendor. |
| 06:34.20 | DuckTales | haha, nice |
| 06:34.28 | Keshek | how do i install the nvidia drivers with the dpkg method |
| 06:34.31 | jm_ | DuckTales: play with it via /msg |
| 06:34.31 | walnuck | Coke, wow he even knew how to spell! |
| 06:34.36 | Coke | jm_: how can I see the current number of happy customers? |
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| 06:34.49 | Coke | walnuck: who? |
| 06:34.52 | randyg | woot! works in 2.6.8.1. so .10 is fubarred. |
| 06:34.59 | walnuck | Coke, the cursor! |
| 06:35.01 | dondelelcaro | Coke: heaping that type of abuse on people really doesn't help much... just point on the issue as clearly and and polietly as possible. If you need to argue with the person, that should tell you that it's time to use /ignore |
| 06:35.01 | jm_ | Coke: unfortunately it doesn't count them |
| 06:35.03 | Coke | randyg: aahhh! so I was correct? |
| 06:35.14 | walnuck | Coke, the expletive manica |
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| 06:35.24 | Coke | dondelelcaro: I want morons like that to switch to mandrake. |
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| 06:35.53 | Coke | randyg: but the problem was fixed in 2.6.8 ? |
| 06:35.58 | dondelelcaro | Coke: uh, then perhaps helping people in #debian isn't the right place for you? |
| 06:36.08 | randyg | yep |
| 06:36.09 | randyg | thankies |
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| 06:36.44 | Coke | dondelelcaro: sure. I'll help people who is receptible to it. People polling even after you give them the ~tell ask should be directed to mandrake. |
| 06:36.48 | ntrm | Hmm... If I hit control-alt-backspace, that should restart X, and should have fixed my fonts, yes? Some appear better, but my web browser still looks ugly, when text is bold. |
| 06:36.58 | randyg | I'll have to hope it's also fixed in .11.7 or .12-rc2, as .8.1 doesn't play well with my USB controller. |
| 06:37.18 | dondelelcaro | Coke: that's why /ignore exists... otherwise all you're doing is agravating them and bothering the rest of the channel |
| 06:37.20 | jm_ | ntrm: naah, just restarting the apps is enough if you have reconfigured fontconfig |
| 06:37.30 | ntrm | jm_: Ahh, good to know. |
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| 06:37.52 | walnuck | ntrm, text is not bold unless they're interpreted that way. "words" are always quoted depending on how you see them that don't tailor after periodic verses |
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| 06:38.11 | jm_ | ntrm: you can play with ~/.fonts.config, I am using fontconfig 2.2.3-1 and it looks fine |
| 06:38.24 | Coke | dondelelcaro: I know they'll be back to Debian in a couple of years, max. Some people go with Gentoo for a while to be l337 rebels, then they want ease and goes back to Debian. They try Knoppix and Mandrake to learn, but then they want power so they go to Debian. In the end, all rational roads lead to Debian. |
| 06:38.25 | jbAU | will unstable move on to testing when testing goes stable? |
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| 06:38.39 | kerneld | Hmmm.. Is it just me, or does 204.152.189.120 suck? Its in the ftp.us.debian.org rotation and it always times out |
| 06:38.49 | directhex | !tell Keshek about nvidia one-liner |
| 06:38.56 | miyo | jbAU: No. |
| 06:39.03 | miyo | jbAU: unstable is and will remain unstable. |
| 06:39.05 | walnuck | kerneld, netselect dudio...it'll find the fastest server from a list.. |
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| 06:39.18 | jbAU | Coke: indeed, about 3 years ago I tried out gentoo which was fun and taught me a lot about linux background - then i got tired of compiling stuff |
| 06:39.18 | dondelelcaro | Coke: I'm not really concerned with what distribution the person uses... I'm just talking about the ability of this channel to be effective. More people using or not using Debian is not something that I bother worying about. |
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| 06:39.24 | jbAU | miyo: ahh thanks for that |
| 06:39.27 | streuner | Coke: the point is NOT - to critisize others, the point is YOUR behavior, WAKE UP! |
| 06:39.31 | miyo | jbAU: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 06:39.37 | Keshek | if ive already installed the nvidia drivers with the nvidia installer will i have problems with dpkg method |
| 06:39.39 | Oaklin | hey guys, i need help quick |
| 06:39.44 | kerneld | walnuck: Yeah, but someone installing sarge will not know that. If the server sucks, its should not be in ftp.us.debian.org |
| 06:39.44 | Oaklin | theres smoking coming from my case |
| 06:39.45 | dondelelcaro | Oaklin: just ask. |
| 06:39.50 | Oaklin | i just installed debian |
| 06:39.51 | dondelelcaro | Oaklin: uh, turn off the power? |
| 06:39.54 | Oaklin | and i'm pretty sure its related |
| 06:40.06 | directhex | Keshek, yes, unless you uninstall first (nvidia-installer --uninstall) |
| 06:40.17 | Coke | randyg: too bad when versions are messed up like that. I use the 2.6.8 kernel and I think it is bleeding too edge. :) I have a colleague who constantly calls me "backwards boy" because of me using Debian testing and not unstable. I'll have to tell him his massive DVD burner crash might have to do with using too new software. :) |
| 06:40.24 | Oaklin | grrr, i'd really rather not start over unless i have to |
| 06:40.35 | walnuck | kerneld, maybe its not for other people.. |
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| 06:40.48 | dondelelcaro | Oaklin: what is the actual problem? |
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| 06:40.57 | Oaklin | its just smoke |
| 06:41.01 | Oaklin | it comes in puffs |
| 06:41.07 | kerneld | walnuck: ncftp ftp://204.152.189.120 |
| 06:41.08 | Oaklin | from the back fan |
| 06:41.12 | freewoody | What is the command to a serive from running at Startup from /etc/init.d ? |
| 06:41.13 | dondelelcaro | Oaklin: then turn off the power, and deal with your machine. |
| 06:41.14 | jbAU | Coke: i suppose it's not all that easy to downgrade to testing from unstable |
| 06:41.20 | walnuck | kerneld, is probably good for me, I'm in montreal,qc-canada.. |
| 06:41.21 | Oaklin | k |
| 06:41.25 | Coke | jbAU: no, it's not. |
| 06:42.05 | kerneld | Could not connect to 204.152.189.120 -- try again later: Connection timed out. |
| 06:42.08 | ntrm | jm_: Shoot, I think think I have a ~/.fonts.config |
| 06:42.20 | ntrm | jm_: Rather, I *don't* think I have a ~/.fonts.config |
| 06:42.27 | freewoody | Coke, what's the command to disable a particular Service from /etc/init.d ? |
| 06:42.29 | kerneld | been bad for a few weeks I think |
| 06:42.34 | walnuck | kerneld, still attempting here...is this in na? |
| 06:42.39 | dondelelcaro | freewoody: use update-rc.d |
| 06:42.51 | jm_ | ntrm: yes, most people don't have it, but there's nothing wrong with that, it will just use system wide settings |
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| 06:43.11 | freewoody | update-rc.d ? |
| 06:43.34 | freewoody | What does update-rc.d do ? |
| 06:43.41 | kerneld | walnuck: Not sure, installing whois now, its PTR is mirrors.kernel.org |
| 06:43.42 | jm_ | man page will tell you |
| 06:43.44 | dondelelcaro | freewoody: yes. update-rc.d; it modulates the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 06:43.44 | tomb0y | man update-rc.d |
| 06:43.50 | walnuck | freewoody, y, but shut down the service if you're turning something off ->update-rc.d doesn't turn off current runnign services |
| 06:44.10 | ntrm | jm_: Hmm... System side settings... Where might those be? I remember last time this happened, I copied a .dpkg-old file back to its proper place, and everything is fine, but I can't find it... |
| 06:44.16 | jm_ | ntrm: /etc |
| 06:44.25 | jm_ | /etc/fonts rather |
| 06:44.38 | kerneld | walnuck: Redwood city, CA |
| 06:45.01 | jm_ | ntrm: but don't modify that - you can reconfigure things using dpkg-reconfigure and dpkg-reconfigure debconf if you want it to ask you all questions and also to change the priority setting |
| 06:45.02 | walnuck | kerneld, asshole, you live in nice weather.. |
| 06:45.31 | kerneld | walnuck: Thats where the IP is, I am in McAllen, Texas. Also noce weather (Hot though) |
| 06:45.44 | randyg | Coke: at least 2.6.8 works for you... I have no usb when using it. can't use it here. downloading .11.7 now... |
| 06:45.51 | walnuck | kerneld, haha, you have to live with that stikin bush..haha |
| 06:46.11 | liable | This is weird, I get these dropped packet logs, and I just did a whois on one address and it was microsoft |
| 06:46.32 | kerneld | I think I saw Ariel Sharon being driven down the street here |
| 06:46.54 | walnuck | kerneld, doesn't surprise me, most americans are fat anyways.. |
| 06:47.01 | kerneld | No stinking bush here, He ignores this part of the state as they mostly vote against him down here :P |
| 06:47.25 | edward_ | 25427.95 Bogomips Total |
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| 06:47.35 | walnuck | kerneld, that ip is still dead here |
| 06:48.00 | kerneld | been dead for some time. Whos in charge of debian dns |
| 06:48.06 | walnuck | kerneld, it'll be nice if someone does statistical tests and automates goodlists versus badlists.. |
| 06:48.36 | randyg | (actually, cmp'ing the files on my test cd to the ones on my hard drive, to make sure the dvd reads fully and correctly) |
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| 06:49.10 | walnuck | kerneld, texas is a red state, canada and us coasts are blue... i hope political-extremists don't happen to be digital users.. |
| 06:49.14 | kerneld | walnuck: If you use ftp.us.debian.org, you have a 1 in 5 chance of getting a dead server :P |
| 06:49.24 | kerneld | hows that for automated stats |
| 06:49.46 | randyg | 1 in 5? for the last 3 days I've gotten a dead server the first time, every time. the second time always gets a working one. :) |
| 06:49.49 | walnuck | kerneld, 20% really?... how long have you been testing it? |
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| 06:50.33 | kerneld | walnuck: Every time I apt-get anything, its a role of the dice, and when it hangs it is always that server |
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| 06:51.08 | walnuck | kerneld, if its a role of the dice, maybe spit a text file into netselect.. and get the best... |
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| 06:53.15 | freewoody | Well I want to shutdown the gdm service at startup ? |
| 06:53.41 | walnuck | freewoody, ps aux|grep gdm, notice ->update-rc.d is a coolio |
| 06:53.50 | freewoody | So I just stop the /etc/init.d/gdm service and update-rc.d ? |
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| 06:54.15 | jm_ | freewoody: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 06:54.51 | walnuck | freewoody, also read up on inittab |
| 06:55.21 | kerneld | walnuck: I know which mirror I can put in, that is not the problem. I could always put in pair or something. The thing is that some new user looking at the choice of mirrors might just pick that one as the others don't ring any bells for proximity |
| 06:55.22 | Keshek | could someone help me with a error im haveing with module-assistant and installing nvidia drivers, when i use module assistant i ge the error "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed, ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources list, maybe the non-free archive. 1" |
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| 06:55.42 | mike_ | hi, how do i make the console font smaller? |
| 06:55.42 | ntrm | jm_: Hey, an unknown combination of your suggestions did the trick. I believe I had to select the auto-hinter, instead of the top option, which advertises to work with the msft fonts, but apparently doesn't. |
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| 06:56.01 | walnuck | kerneld, you'd have to ask the administrator, you know if you're a server guru, you can set a policy just about anything.. |
| 06:56.28 | randyg | dammit. kernel oops. |
| 06:56.46 | walnuck | kerneld, like those goddam bastards at my isp block port 80 incoming... and those are bigger bastards shutting down irc servers because some stupid scriptkid was abusing their server so my whole isp -like gets banned.. |
| 06:57.03 | randyg | not oops. just a bunch of calltraces and errors. |
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| 06:59.08 | cafuego | walnuck: So why haven't you switched ISPs? |
| 06:59.37 | kerneld | Hmmm.. bitchx no longer seems to be packaged, at least not in sarge, and ircII blows chunks. What do people use for TERM based irc client with color highlighting? |
| 06:59.51 | cafuego | kerneld: irssi |
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| 07:00.20 | mike_ | kerneld: what do you mean it seems no longer packaged? ... i use it and im on sarge |
| 07:00.26 | jonz | hmm |
| 07:00.28 | jonz | scp: warning: ssh_packet_wrapper_input: invalid packet received: len 170535460 closing the offending input channel. |
| 07:00.38 | stew | mike_: it was removed from sarge due to security issues |
| 07:00.41 | walnuck | cafuego, because i'm in quebec! few companies really can offer isp high-speed.. its a pretty much evolving part of the city i'm living in..eventually within the next several months there'll be interesting shifts.. but at the moment its like a monopoly |
| 07:00.45 | caphuso | mike_: you've installed it before it got removed because of that fucking big security hole |
| 07:00.47 | kerneld | E: Package bitchx has no installation candidate |
| 07:01.11 | kerneld | caphuso: I am sure bitchx is one big secirity hole :P |
| 07:01.34 | walnuck | cafuego, if you know what i mean... cable companies will be killing off traditional phone companies in a matter of time... |
| 07:01.43 | mike_ | caphuso: where can i find out more about this hole? |
| 07:01.55 | stew | !why is bitchx not in testing |
| 07:01.55 | dpkg | bitchx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bitchx |
| 07:02.07 | caphuso | mike_: http://bugs.debian.org/bitchx |
| 07:02.28 | cafuego | walnuck: VoIP? yeah, that's going to be really handy in a non-urban area without dsp or cable. |
| 07:03.01 | randyg | you can do VoIP over satellite with direcway, if you're in the US and don't mind spending $100/month. :) |
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| 07:03.30 | jbAU | module-assistant is the best program evar! |
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| 07:03.36 | kerneld | walnuck: Wait and see what shakes from the tree with 911 service and suits against vonage |
| 07:03.52 | walnuck | cafuego, there's dozens of hotspots...this new laptop i got i was able to get on free internet with an avg of 20kb download, right from my own residence..apparently many wireless folks are so dumb...hey..its possible i can multilink all these 3 wireless hotspots around my house and get free internet for good :)) |
| 07:04.31 | cafuego | walnuck: Yes, obtaining bandwidth illegally is a really good idea. |
| 07:04.36 | walnuck | cafuego, montreal is a hot-zone city..if you want free internet... this is the place... |
| 07:04.57 | cafuego | walnuck: There's a couple of thousand around Melbourne too. |
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| 07:05.01 | freewoody | Why is it so hard to stop services in Debian Linux in comparsion to Slackware and FreeBSD |
| 07:05.31 | kerneld_ | freewoody: Yo mean sudo /etc/init.d/<service> stop ? |
| 07:05.34 | jbAU | freewoody: well, i dont think that /etc/init.d/servicename is hard ? |
| 07:05.45 | walnuck | cafuego, the fact is some are intentional, some people don't really care...but others leave their 192.168.1.1 and default linksys admin:admin there for you to see their pages? ->these are the dummies that no crap about WEP ....the windows workgroups are all there hahah |
| 07:06.00 | kerneld_ | Its standard, and will probably work on dedrat etc... |
| 07:06.17 | kerneld_ | well change init.d to whatever |
| 07:06.43 | randyg | either that or they want to provide internet for free. that way they can do things the RIAA doesn't like and blame you when the lawsuits come. :P |
| 07:06.44 | mike_ | how can i make the console font smaller? |
| 07:06.45 | walnuck | cafuego, that's one way of easy spreading worms without a trace... |
| 07:07.01 | jerome | morning all. |
| 07:07.26 | mike_ | walnuck, as if u'd do that anyway. |
| 07:07.54 | Keshek | could someone help me with a error im haveing with module-assistant and installing nvidia drivers, when i use module assistant i ge the error "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed, ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources list, maybe the non-free archive. 1" |
| 07:07.55 | walnuck | randyg, that's nothing.. apparently there's alarm about bluetooth..passing viruses.. but sony I think is trying to save this malware with their new research of 'pick and drop' versus dragging and dropping |
| 07:08.26 | walnuck | mike_, xterm? you'd have to get a bigger screen of course.. |
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| 07:08.38 | freewoody | I forgot the command using: chattr to disable the services at startup from /etc/init.d |
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| 07:09.03 | randyg | freewoody: that may work, but isn't the most elegant solution... |
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| 07:09.22 | stew | freewoody: man update-rc.d |
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| 07:10.53 | cafuego | Hmm, hdpamr @ 87MB/sec :-) |
| 07:11.21 | mike_ | walnuck: no, i mean a tty |
| 07:11.24 | jm_ | I got 80MB/s yesterday doing md5sum-perl on one of our machines |
| 07:11.31 | freewoody | So how do I disable this gdm at startup ? |
| 07:11.32 | cafuego | freewoody: apt-get install rcconf; rcconf |
| 07:11.47 | walnuck | mike_, not an expert, but I believe if SVGATextmode is there, it may save the day.. |
| 07:12.52 | cafuego | raid controller with 192MB on-board ram. |
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| 07:13.17 | walnuck | mike_, the problem with this package is "fine" tuning..its a labour to find proper video-timing etc..etc.. |
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| 07:13.34 | mike_ | walnuck: i know |
| 07:13.41 | freewoody | Thanks cafuego |
| 07:13.43 | mike_ | walnuck: except i wanted to go with a different way |
| 07:14.10 | furrywolf | oh, wait, I forgot simonrvn said I need to put ears on my nick. :) |
| 07:14.21 | walnuck | mike_, but its aggravating if something goes wrong.. it may be different now.. there are basic modes you can try that won't crash your display though.. |
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| 07:14.49 | omer | hello |
| 07:15.02 | omer | i have installed debian |
| 07:15.07 | mike_ | well done |
| 07:15.12 | furrywolf | good start :) |
| 07:15.23 | omer | but i set monitor wrong |
| 07:15.53 | omer | during installation |
| 07:16.03 | omer | how can i set it now |
| 07:16.09 | valdyn | !drxx omer |
| 07:16.10 | dpkg | omer: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 07:16.16 | walnuck | anyone thinks apt-shell should be in debian? |
| 07:16.18 | omer | i see only few color |
| 07:16.28 | omer | and 640 resolution now |
| 07:16.36 | walnuck | o o , please don't slap me i got this idea from another apt!!! ahhhh! |
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| 07:16.46 | omer | ok i m trying |
| 07:16.52 | shurik | I configure custom kernel and ran fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.120405 --initrd --added-patches=debianlogo kernel_image && dpkg -i /usr/src/kernel-image...I enabled crmafs in kernel too when I boot the kernel it panicks with message unable to mount root fs. grub/menu.list appears to be fine. What is the problem? |
| 07:16.52 | walnuck | apt on f***...! |
| 07:16.56 | walnuck | :o |
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| 07:17.27 | cafuego | shurik: You're missing support for 1) your ide controller or 2) your root fs type or 3) both |
| 07:17.39 | liable | shurik: you have an initrd= line in grub menu |
| 07:17.47 | shurik | yes |
| 07:18.05 | shurik | and I tried with ide and fs compiled in directly with the same problem |
| 07:18.09 | freewoody | update-rc.d gdm remove |
| 07:18.43 | shurik | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.120405 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 07:18.43 | shurik | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.11.120405 |
| 07:18.58 | valdyn | shurik: is that /dev/hda sata? |
| 07:19.13 | shurik | precisly the same syntax as prebuilt kernel uses from debian |
| 07:19.18 | shurik | no |
| 07:19.30 | shurik | ata |
| 07:19.34 | ^Duffy^ | how can I remove a package, without removing the other programs that "depend" on it ? I replaced exim with qmail, and want exim out, but then it wants to remove mysql + courier-imap + + |
| 07:19.41 | STARSCALLING | IF WE EVER PMD PLEASE RAR THE LOGS I JUST FUCKING LOST ALL MY SHIT FOR AT LEAST 5 MONTHS I THINK |
| 07:19.55 | freewoody | update-rc.d gdm remove will disable GDM at Startup ? |
| 07:19.56 | caphuso | ^Duffy^: did you properly package qmail? |
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| 07:20.15 | aardvark | !aolify STARSCALLING |
| 07:20.19 | shurik | :( |
| 07:20.25 | liable | freewoody: you need an -f in there if you havent removed the script from init.d |
| 07:20.40 | furrywolf | gah!!! /me just remembered he has to re-merge the linuxwacom drivers into .11.7, and it's a royal pain. :( |
| 07:20.49 | Liuliu | Hi all! Someone can point some url that explains about bind reverse addresses in a subnet? Bind Reference Manual haven't :-( |
| 07:20.59 | aardvark | !br |
| 07:20.59 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 07:21.04 | ireverentReveren | hye, one of my friends said that you can install *nix on a apple and dual boot with OSX without repartitioning... ie, install to a folder the was OSX does..... is he full of it? |
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| 07:21.10 | freewoody | update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 07:21.23 | caphuso | that's a stupid way to disable gdm |
| 07:21.50 | caphuso | next upgrade will put it back |
| 07:21.50 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: no he isnt, since OSX is a *nix |
| 07:21.50 | furrywolf | irev: try #debianppc if no one here knows |
| 07:22.06 | ireverentReveren | valdyn yeah, but how about debian? |
| 07:22.08 | freewoody | So that's it |
| 07:22.10 | ireverentReveren | furrywolf thanks |
| 07:22.11 | cafuego | ireverentReveren: You can install Debian x86 under VirtualPC on a disk-file. |
| 07:22.22 | freewoody | I will just restart and see if that GDM is disabled at startup |
| 07:22.29 | shurik | google is flooded with similar problem on debian and there's no aparent answer |
| 07:22.36 | shurik | not that I can find at the moment |
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| 07:22.52 | cafuego | ireverentReveren: As far as I'm aware you can NOT install Linux into a subdir. What you *can* do is install Linux tools compiled FOR osx into a directory and use them under OSX. Google for 'fink'. |
| 07:22.53 | ireverentReveren | cafuego how about dual booting and running debian for ppc? |
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| 07:23.24 | valdyn | shurik: b/c people forget to make root disk interface and root fs driver(s) available |
| 07:23.28 | kerneld_ | Has anyone used planner with rt? Looks like you could do some triggers on the rt and planner tables to populate each other |
| 07:23.41 | ireverentReveren | cafuego i looked at fink.. i dont have 10.3, which fink said it needed when i tried to install |
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| 07:24.28 | cypher | hi |
| 07:24.36 | cafuego | ireverentReveren: Check for older fink versions, I'm 100% sure I've used it under 10.2 |
| 07:24.36 | Keshek | can anyone help me with installing nvidia drivers with module-assistant i am having a problem |
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| 07:24.47 | ireverentReveren | cafuego thats an option, thanks |
| 07:24.49 | Promit | so, here i am again in the channel of the almighty debian |
| 07:24.55 | Promit | the dying god, in some sense :P |
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| 07:25.00 | shurik | valdyn: well I had either ext2/ext3 as modules and built in with atai ide generic and specifi to the chipset |
| 07:25.10 | streuner_ | Promit: troll somewhere else. |
| 07:25.10 | shurik | still can't boot the kernel |
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| 07:25.43 | Promit | i am not trolling |
| 07:25.49 | Promit | not yet, in any case |
| 07:26.49 | streuner_ | Promit: so you have question about debian? |
| 07:27.17 | furrywolf | streuner: he's probably wondering if apt-get install brain works. |
| 07:27.19 | Promit | i don't run debian actually, so not really, no |
| 07:27.39 | infinity_ | Promit: but you insult it ..hrmz. |
| 07:27.46 | Promit | i didn't insult it |
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| 07:27.47 | cypher | Promit: is a 1337 gentoo-us0r |
| 07:27.47 | Promit | i called it a god |
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| 07:27.53 | valdyn | shurik: im not using initrds ever, i would just compile in both |
| 07:27.57 | infinity_ | uhh .. 'dying god' |
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| 07:28.15 | shurik | I had that |
| 07:28.15 | infinity_ | seems other distros stole the apt technology |
| 07:28.30 | Promit | stole. Hehe. |
| 07:28.35 | Keshek | is there anyone that can help me? |
| 07:28.36 | shurik | compiled ext2/ext3/reiserfs/ata ide |
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| 07:28.44 | valdyn | infinity_: its gpl, they cant nor want to "steal" it |
| 07:28.49 | ytripppy | how do i log into a debian distro installed on the HD? |
| 07:28.53 | infinity_ | valdyn: they still stole it |
| 07:28.58 | dondelelcaro | Keshek: just ask your question... |
| 07:29.02 | SpamHog | Promit: if D is dying who is winning? |
| 07:29.09 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
| 07:29.19 | infinity_ | Promit: so yea, i guess survival of the fittest. |
| 07:29.29 | shurik | CONFIG_RAMFS=y |
| 07:29.38 | SlayerXP | Ubuntu in "yet another pointless fork" *shocker* |
| 07:29.40 | Promit | SpamHog: given what I read on /. today, it looks like you guys are being replaced by Ubuntu |
| 07:29.42 | shurik | and cramfs |
| 07:29.55 | SlayerXP | Promit: you read it on slashdot!!!! it _must_ be true!!!! |
| 07:30.16 | cypher | haha |
| 07:30.18 | valdyn | shurik: CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y and whatever your ide driver is, to y |
| 07:30.21 | streuner__ | Promit: why do think you need to tell us that? |
| 07:30.23 | ytripppy | how do i log into a debian distro installed on the HD? |
| 07:30.23 | dondelelcaro | Promit: that's great. Perhaps you could actually read a bit and see what the project is really about (and what Ubuntu is about, for that matter) before blindly making statements? |
| 07:30.25 | Promit | ...is it true? Someone in a Linux channel who does not hold /. in the highest esteem? |
| 07:30.31 | SpamHog | Ubuntu is dead w/o Debian, AND they spell it quite clearly and honestly. One should read the not-so-fine print. |
| 07:30.33 | Promit | maybe there's hope yet |
| 07:30.34 | chealer | SpamHog: please don't provoke |
| 07:30.34 | shurik | I'd try again |
| 07:30.44 | MobyTurbo | Promit: the source of the story is the owner of Progeny, who's in a lot more competative trouble with Ubuntu than vanilla Debian |
| 07:30.56 | shurik | it should work with modules to if you have ramdisk for initrd and loop |
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| 07:30.57 | Promit | MobyTurbo: Progeny is a Linux distro? |
| 07:31.05 | SpamHog | chealer: :) I was the pacemaker yesterday. |
| 07:31.07 | kerneld_ | Whats a good X11 server for doze these days? Cygwin? |
| 07:31.11 | MobyTurbo | Promit: yes |
| 07:31.16 | SpamHog | peacemaker!!! |
| 07:31.19 | SlayerXP | kerneld_: xdeep32 is good and free. |
| 07:31.26 | chealer | SpamHog: oh yeah? well, there's no need to change role |
| 07:31.28 | valdyn | progeny is mostly a custom software developer and consulting comapany |
| 07:31.32 | kerneld_ | SlayerXP: Ta, will look |
| 07:31.55 | SpamHog | chealer :)))) |
| 07:32.34 | MobyTurbo | Promit: Progeny at one time tried to market a "friendly Debian" distro, I suspect Progeny is a bit jealous of Ubuntu's success in what it failed at. |
| 07:32.35 | infinity_ | how did Ubuntu get to v5.04? ...i who started this crap with inflating versions? |
| 07:32.42 | infinity_ | er s/i// |
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| 07:32.48 | liable | shurik: you most likely have left _something_ out, so the best bet is to go through your configs and read the help for each. |
| 07:32.48 | Promit | infinity_: probably Java |
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| 07:33.04 | bob2 | infinity_: huh? 2005-04 -> 5.04 |
| 07:33.05 | freewoody | Hi all again |
| 07:33.10 | ytripppy | after installing GRUB it reckonises WINXP install and says it will add it to the GRUB boot list. |
| 07:33.12 | infinity_ | Promit: i want to say redhat. but i'm not sure who did it first. |
| 07:33.13 | ytripppy | but it doesnt |
| 07:33.23 | Promit | no, red hat went sequentially |
| 07:33.30 | Promit | Java just skipped 3 and 4 |
| 07:33.36 | Keshek | anyone that can help me |
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| 07:33.47 | Promit | Keshek: what's up? |
| 07:33.47 | dondelelcaro | Keshek: again, just ask your actual question. |
| 07:33.57 | infinity_ | bob2: i would have never guessed that. |
| 07:33.59 | valdyn | ytripppy: i suspect its not installing grub to your mbr but it IS adding winxp to its config |
| 07:34.04 | bob2 | infinity_: ok! |
| 07:34.33 | chealer | infinity_: don't worry, you're not alone :) |
| 07:34.44 | ytripppy | valdyn: how do i correct this. either using WINXP booter or GRUB? |
| 07:34.57 | infinity_ | 5.04 = Apr, 2005. hm. sounds like reaching |
| 07:34.59 | infinity_ | heh |
| 07:35.07 | valdyn | ytripppy: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 07:35.16 | kerneld_ | Snooooze time |
| 07:35.19 | Keshek | module-installer says it cant find the nvidia-kernel, thought i had the exact message copied, let me get it |
| 07:35.33 | infinity_ | valdyn: there is a frusturating and pleasing program. |
| 07:35.37 | SpamHog | I hope all versions numbers will disappear, subbed by dates! |
| 07:35.41 | Keshek | module-assistant* |
| 07:35.59 | Promit | anyway, I found out what I came to find out. #debian people are eaily antagonized by harmless comments from someone (like me) who is merely trying to annoy them. |
| 07:36.02 | MobyTurbo | SpamHog: version numbers are useful when not inflated. |
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| 07:36.18 | infinity_ | SpamHog: oh, you know they will do dates, and then the trend with 'retro' back to v1.0... |
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| 07:36.29 | DuckTales | When is sarge going to be stable? |
| 07:36.31 | DuckTales | tomorrow? |
| 07:36.37 | MobyTurbo | SpamHog: besides, some things, like Debian, can't do dates since it's in flux (at least the non-stable versions are) |
| 07:36.39 | valdyn | infinity_: i think you're expected to read /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README[.Debian][.gz] |
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| 07:36.56 | SpamHog | MobyTurbo: agreed on both - fashions suck (I know, I'm from Milan) |
| 07:37.09 | chealer | DuckTales: /topic |
| 07:37.15 | infinity_ | valdyn: heh. yea. then trying using grub for booting raid arrays. |
| 07:37.29 | MobyTurbo | SpamHog: I'm in Brooklyn, near fashionable Manhatten. |
| 07:37.29 | Keshek | the error message was "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed, ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to your sources list, maybe the non-free archive. 1" |
| 07:37.40 | ytripppy | valdyn: yesh, but how do i log into the install? WINXP has boot control. |
| 07:37.49 | chealer | Keshek: do you have non-free sources? |
| 07:37.56 | SpamHog | MobyTurbo: so you know what I mean, numbers aside... |
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| 07:38.16 | Keshek | chealer: as far as i know |
| 07:38.18 | infinity_ | valdyn: there's probably a good howto for it by now. |
| 07:38.27 | DuckTales | chealer, What in the topic? |
| 07:38.34 | chealer | Keshek: do you have sid sources? |
| 07:38.36 | MobyTurbo | SpamHog: I guess so. I never paid attention to or understood fashion to be honest. |
| 07:38.40 | chealer | !tell DuckTales about wwsr |
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| 07:39.06 | infinity_ | ytripppy: use XP to boot linux. or you can use grub to boot XP. I recommend the latter. if you use lilo, i recommend the prior. |
| 07:39.15 | infinity_ | heh |
| 07:39.16 | freewoody | update-rc.d did not fix the GDM startup |
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| 07:39.34 | infinity_ | freewoody: dpkg -P gdm; apt-get install kdm |
| 07:39.34 | infinity_ | :) |
| 07:39.47 | chealer | is it possible to only compile one binary package from a source package...with many binary packages? |
| 07:40.09 | Keshek | what is one non-free source that i can add and try again |
| 07:40.13 | nite613 | Will an old kernel misrepresent the number of cylinders reported for a 200G drive via dmesg, or is that entirely a BIOS thing? |
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| 07:40.20 | dondelelcaro | Keshek: most mirrors have non-free. |
| 07:40.34 | Coke | How can I find out what encoding my terminal is using (UTF-8, latin1, etc) ? |
| 07:40.41 | freewoody | Well all I want to do is to disable GDM at startup. I just wan to loging from the console and start X with the command: startx ? |
| 07:40.54 | freewoody | Should I just remove /etc/init.d/gdm ? |
| 07:40.54 | infinity_ | freewoody: ohh .. |
| 07:40.57 | Coke | freewoody: apt-get remove gdm |
| 07:41.07 | infinity_ | freewoody: that works. but no, that is not the 'proper' way. |
| 07:41.13 | jm_ | Coke: nl_langinfo |
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| 07:41.18 | freewoody | So what is the proper way ? |
| 07:41.23 | ytripppy | infinity_: i;ve installed debian on hdd, Xp is on hda. XPbooter doesnt have option to boot debian. how do i boot into HDd with debian on it? |
| 07:41.24 | jm_ | Coke: or locale charmap |
| 07:41.43 | Keshek | dondelecaro: what would one be so that i can make sure i have one |
| 07:41.55 | dondelelcaro | Keshek: check /etc/apt/sources.list; and look for non-free |
| 07:42.17 | freewoody | What is proper way to disable GDM at startup ? |
| 07:42.22 | freewoody | without removing GDM |
| 07:42.29 | liable | freewoody: just remove gdm if you dont want to use it |
| 07:42.45 | walnuck | freewoody, didn't you ask this before? |
| 07:42.47 | freewoody | Well I guess I should just gdm then |
| 07:43.12 | infinity_ | ytripppy: use bootpart to boot debian from windows, or install grub on hda |
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| 07:43.29 | ledestin | freewoody: vi /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 07:43.43 | Keshek | yes i do have them |
| 07:43.55 | walnuck | ledestin, i thought /etc/alternatives does it.. |
| 07:44.06 | chealer | Keshek: try apt-get update |
| 07:44.37 | infinity_ | freewoody: hmm ..so gdm does not load...i would remove it personally, but to disable it, i would remove it from alternatives like walnuck says |
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| 07:45.08 | infinity_ | freewoody: actually, i break the rules and often 'chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm' stuff. hehe |
| 07:45.30 | walnuck | infinity_, ledestin well i never meant to do anything really, there's the cmd update-alternatives to tackle this.. |
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| 07:45.38 | ledestin | walnuck: update-alternatives with what name? |
| 07:45.43 | ledestin | walnuck: /etc/alternatives is not to touched manually |
| 07:46.04 | ytripppy | infinity_: bootpart? how do i install grub on HDA without having access to debian? |
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| 07:46.07 | infinity_ | freewoody: the reason i use chmod -x is because its easy to figure out how to make it work. update-altnetaives and all that stuff, i almost never use, so its hard to operate. |
| 07:46.14 | ledestin | walnuck: you see, the file I mentioned is used in gdm daemon |
| 07:46.25 | walnuck | ledestin, should never have to manually change this.. again i'm not clear what you want, you want a different login screen or window manager for the default? |
| 07:46.25 | infinity_ | ytripppy: did you look for a grub floppy online? |
| 07:46.32 | Keshek | chealer: i used apt-get update and it didnt help |
| 07:46.33 | infinity_ | ytripppy: google bootpart |
| 07:46.38 | ytripppy | i dont have floppy |
| 07:46.41 | liable | ytripppy: cant you boot the grub hdd from bios? |
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| 07:46.48 | chealer | Keshek: what happens if you try apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 07:46.55 | ytripppy | dam. good point. cheers for help!!!! |
| 07:47.37 | ledestin | walnuck: I have my xdm already :P |
| 07:47.37 | ledestin | walnuck: update-rc.d gdm should've fixed his problems already though |
| 07:47.37 | infinity_ | ytripppy: what liable says, change the bootable drive to hdd might work. i would probably just grab bootpart. |
| 07:47.49 | ytripppy | yeah, cheers |
| 07:47.58 | ytripppy | ill be back if it doesnt work! |
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| 07:48.05 | Keshek | chealer: package not found |
| 07:48.14 | walnuck | ledestin, gdm is reserved for login.. you're not forced to use metacity for gnome |
| 07:48.25 | ledestin | walnuck: what? |
| 07:48.30 | freewoody | Should I just remove the line /usr/bin/gdm from /etc/X11/default-display-manager ? |
| 07:48.33 | walnuck | ledestin, metacity is a window manager |
| 07:48.39 | Keshek | chealer: i may have messed up my sources list can you give me one or 2 to add |
| 07:48.52 | infinity_ | walnuck: does metacity use gdm or is there yet another gui login? |
| 07:48.59 | walnuck | ledestin, you can use any simple thin light-weight window manager with gnome.. |
| 07:49.09 | walnuck | infinity_, no its for the session |
| 07:49.24 | walnuck | infinity_, its a separate program.. |
| 07:49.30 | chealer | Keshek: check them against /usr/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 07:49.37 | Coke | jm_: what is nl_langinfo? |
| 07:49.38 | walnuck | infinity_, ps aux|grep gdm |
| 07:49.42 | ledestin | freewoody: change it to the dm you want |
| 07:49.42 | ledestin | walnuck: I know, your point? |
| 07:49.42 | ledestin | freewoody: though, I don't really know what you want to do |
| 07:49.44 | ledestin | freewoody: I thought you don't want gdm |
| 07:50.30 | ledestin | walnuck: I prefer xdm |
| 07:50.30 | Coke | jm_: and locale only says what language, it doesn't include the "ISO-8859-1", etc. |
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| 07:50.30 | walnuck | ledestin, I use ion |
| 07:50.30 | chealer | Keshek: sorry, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 07:50.30 | infinity_ | walnuck: i meant in respect ot gdm/kdm ...but since gnome isn't a window manager, i guess metacity wouldn't have anything specific. |
| 07:50.30 | freewoody | Well I don't want GDM but I don't actually want to remove it |
| 07:50.31 | sameer | walnuck : whats ion? |
| 07:50.43 | walnuck | infinity_, gnome can be used with any thin light-weight manager, you can also use twm with gnome.. |
| 07:50.45 | freewoody | So can I just disable gdm with removing it ? |
| 07:50.47 | infinity_ | freewoody: chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 07:50.48 | walnuck | sameer, ion window manager.. |
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| 07:50.58 | Coke | sameer: window manager that works like emacs buffers or screen. |
| 07:51.04 | infinity_ | freewoody: then if you want to use it and you run /etc/init.d/gdm, and it doesn't start, it will be damn obvious. |
| 07:51.16 | sameer | coke : is it good |
| 07:51.20 | freewoody | Well thanks for that |
| 07:51.30 | sameer | coke : where can i see some screenshots ? |
| 07:51.37 | Coke | sameer: yes, but only if you don't use applications that display a lot of graphical windows. |
| 07:51.44 | ledestin | walnuck: xdm is simpler, and has docs. it's like xterm in terminals. |
| 07:51.44 | walnuck | sameer, if you hate the mouse and menus, its for you...get used to no pictures on a screen for a desktop |
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| 07:51.50 | Coke | sameer: it has no window frames |
| 07:51.54 | jm_ | Coke: I said "locale charmap" |
| 07:52.04 | sameer | coke : hey that must be real fast right ;-) |
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| 07:52.08 | infinity_ | freewoody: seems we can't agree on the proper way to disable it here. hheh |
| 07:52.11 | Coke | jm_: ah, I thought you meant either locale or charmap. |
| 07:52.14 | walnuck | ledestin, everything relating to xdm/gdm/kdm couldn't be simpler..you've been editing the wrong file all along |
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| 07:52.23 | sameer | coke : walnuck : where can i get it |
| 07:52.29 | Coke | jm_: problem is I'd like to access this from my own code, you wouldn't happen to know what system call that is? |
| 07:52.33 | STARSCALLING | goes to fucking bed depressed |
| 07:52.34 | Coke | sameer: apt-get install ion |
| 07:52.42 | sameer | coke :thanx |
| 07:52.44 | freewoody | OK I will reboot my system to see if that GDM is runs at startup |
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| 07:52.59 | walnuck | sameer, you don't want it heheh.. wiki!->wikipedia.org check on "window managers" or "Xfree86" for an idea about how X and window managers work.. |
| 07:53.02 | infinity_ | heh. poor guy. |
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| 07:53.09 | PitchForkLin | Morning all. I have a Debian Sarge release DVD from feb05 but am unable to get Sarge installer to partition the hard drives correctly when setting up LVM and and RAIDs. I have two SATA hd's and two IDE drives. After setting up the LVM's or RAIDs the installer begins formatting EXT3 but errors out when formatting. I have installed other deb based os like xandros and umbutu (single drive install only and I don't have any issues. Do I have |
| 07:53.23 | sameer | ok thanx walnuck coek |
| 07:53.24 | sameer | coke |
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| 07:53.29 | infinity_ | ...and i get kicked for pasting 4 lines |
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| 07:53.37 | SlayerXP | PitchForkLin: you have to type less on one line :) |
| 07:53.37 | Coke | Ren Hoek to the rescue |
| 07:53.53 | ledestin | walnuck: the wrong file? prove it. |
| 07:53.55 | infinity_ | PitchForkLin: get the rc3 of the netinst |
| 07:54.05 | SlayerXP | PitchForkLin: and you're comparing apples with rotting fish anyway. |
| 07:54.06 | PitchForkLin | ok. I will next time. sorry about that |
| 07:54.07 | walnuck | ledestin, xdm is no simpler than kdm or gdm |
| 07:54.31 | ledestin | walnuck: gdm is a bloated undocumented thing |
| 07:54.43 | walnuck | ledestin, gdm and kdm are both based on xdm |
| 07:54.46 | chance2105 | I'm trying to install on sparc. The default X settings for keyboard don't seem to work (keymap seems wrong). What should I try to get it to work correctly? |
| 07:55.01 | ledestin | walnuck: and your point? |
| 07:55.01 | PitchForkLin | Slayer help me out then. I hate fishing for rotten fish anyway |
| 07:55.23 | infinity_ | PitchForkLin: use this installer. its newer http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:55.27 | walnuck | ledestin, you should only have 1 running at a time, but its theoretically possible to have them all running (for advanced gurusnobs like myself) |
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| 07:55.40 | volga | walnuck, have you tried ratpoison |
| 07:56.16 | walnuck | ledestin, are you an idiot? I was asking what you were trying to do...now my point is "no" go away I won't hear from your beggings..whiner! |
| 07:56.24 | infinity_ | volga: whats is ratposin? |
| 07:56.28 | SlayerXP | PitchForkLin: you're not making a valid comparison. I could only agree that this is a debian specific problem if you tried to set up the same RAID/LVM system using some other distro and it works. |
| 07:56.31 | walnuck | infinity_, its another wm |
| 07:56.34 | PitchForkLin | infinity. that is a net install... can iI force it to use my dvd's instead? |
| 07:56.38 | ledestin | walnuck: you're a troll |
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| 07:57.00 | walnuck | ledestin, "my point" is xdm=kdm=gdm=useless |
| 07:57.10 | walnuck | ledestin, that's my point. |
| 07:57.23 | infinity_ | PitchForkLin: probably. personally, i would always use the netinst. packages age quickly in sarge/testing |
| 07:57.58 | infinity_ | PitchForkLin: you have DSL? use netinst. if not, then your dvds might come in handy. |
| 07:58.11 | sudo|chmod | Does anyone use the gaim xmms plugin (Windlicht) ... If so I'm having some problems ... when I do a ./configure I get the following error |
| 07:58.11 | walnuck | ledestin, to understand the docs, read up on how xdm works.. I just gave you a hint 5 minutes ago.."think".. kdm and gdm are based on it despite their lack of docs |
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| 07:58.20 | PitchForkLin | infinity. ok. my broadband isn't the greatest and limits me to 360 megabytes per day so I have to watch out for network installs |
| 07:58.25 | sudo|chmod | configure: error: Library requirements (gaim >= 0.79) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. |
| 07:58.35 | sudo|chmod | i've installed gaim-dev |
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| 07:59.10 | infinity_ | PitchForkLin: ahhh... so yea, you might want to use the dvds then. you can probably change the package sources one the base system is installed using the netinst |
| 07:59.28 | sudo|chmod | I'll post the rest of it in #flood |
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| 08:00.48 | jm_ | Coke: nl_langinfo() |
| 08:00.54 | Keshek | i added a source to the apt list that apparently doesnt work, it keeps trying to connect over and over when i update is there a way to stop it |
| 08:00.58 | PitchForkLin | ok will do that |
| 08:01.10 | SlayerXP | before I get on with some work, would anyone else like to claim "Ubuntu is the new Debian" because slashdot says so? |
| 08:01.14 | chealer | Keshek: Ctrl+C? |
| 08:01.21 | SlayerXP | I have an excess supply of sarcasm going spare. |
| 08:01.22 | caphuso | SlayerXP: heh |
| 08:01.23 | bob2 | Keshek: take it out |
| 08:01.36 | infinity_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.40 | infinity_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.55 | PitchForkLin | I haveve't been around debian to long but I'd say umbutu sucks |
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| 08:02.16 | infinity_ | PitchForkLin: good answer. :) .. |
| 08:02.39 | odyssey | PitchForkLin, don't knock it until you have tried it |
| 08:02.40 | infinity_ | personally, i used slackware v4, switched to debian, and haven't used anything else in a LONG time. |
| 08:02.47 | bob2 | ubuntu trolling is off-topic here |
| 08:02.47 | chealer | maybe we should start a #debian-ubuntuhaters |
| 08:02.49 | PitchForkLin | I have... |
| 08:02.49 | bob2 | kthxbye |
| 08:02.54 | ledestin | SlayerXP: write it down |
| 08:03.08 | infinity_ | i don't even bother trying other distros. waste of time. debian does it all and more. |
| 08:04.05 | bob2 | advocacy trolling is also off-topic |
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| 08:04.31 | SlayerXP | bob2: is defining what's on and off topic on or off topic? |
| 08:04.31 | chealer | is there a problem with debian.org :? |
| 08:04.39 | infinity_ | bob2: you know how many off-topic topics actually get discussed here? many. :P |
| 08:04.54 | chealer | go to #debian-kde if you want to talk against ubuntu |
| 08:04.57 | PitchForkLin | even though I have only had debian installed successfully a couple of times I can see that it is the os of the future. It is just very difficult to use for a linux newbie like myself, but I know for a fact once I learn the system debian will be the only way to go |
| 08:05.02 | Keshek | chealer: ok im still getting the same errors |
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| 08:05.21 | chealer | Keshek: ok, paste your sources.list on #flood |
| 08:05.30 | walnuck | bob2, is the policy of package docs force debian packagers to always try to include /usr/share/docs/<packagename> ? |
| 08:06.02 | infinity_ | PitchForkLin: wow. you sound so sure of yourself. |
| 08:06.05 | Keshek | chealer: ive really only narrowed it down to one source atm |
| 08:06.13 | DuckTales | What is a good program to view pictures...adn do a simple slide show and stuff |
| 08:06.15 | Keshek | chealer: i dont have any other |
| 08:06.16 | DuckTales | quick/fast |
| 08:06.20 | PitchForkLin | infinity. thanks for you link you gave me. I'll work with it and be back later on.. talk to you later |
| 08:06.22 | chealer | Keshek: anyway...paste what you have |
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| 08:06.38 | chealer | so it's only me unable to reach debian.org? |
| 08:06.43 | walnuck | bob2, i had some retard thinking xdm was simpler than other managers, a "cluebie" who doesn't know the difference between xdm/gdm/kdm really pissed me off.. |
| 08:06.43 | infinity_ | DuckTales: xv? |
| 08:06.53 | mikael_a | hi i'm trying to update apache, and when i run apt-get i got alot of wierd errors... most such as apache depends on apache-common (>= 1.3.33-4); however: anyone that know how to solve it? |
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| 08:07.00 | streuner__ | chealer: no |
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| 08:07.04 | bob2 | walnuck: I don't understand your questions |
| 08:07.13 | chealer | streuner__: dammit. thanks anyway |
| 08:07.17 | walnuck | bob2, the matter is that fedora sucks when it comes to this :) |
| 08:07.30 | infinity_ | mike_: apt-get update; apt-get install apache-common apache |
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| 08:07.49 | DuckTales | E: Couldn't find package xv |
| 08:07.52 | walnuck | bob2, apropos and the shell are the best tools a linux os can give.. the shell rules and so does wiki! |
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| 08:07.57 | DuckTales | infinity_, Is it in debian.org repos? |
| 08:07.57 | Keshek | chealer: ok posted |
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| 08:08.06 | streuner__ | DuckTales: no |
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| 08:08.09 | infinity_ | mikael_a: actually. use apache2 unless you require apache1. |
| 08:08.12 | chealer | Keshek: *stable*?? |
| 08:08.13 | DuckTales | Why not? |
| 08:08.16 | streuner__ | DuckTales: xv isn't in debian anymore |
| 08:08.23 | chealer | Keshek: don't tell me you're running woody? |
| 08:08.25 | infinity_ | DuckTales: errr ..it has to be. xv is like from the 70s |
| 08:08.26 | DuckTales | I thought debian.org had every open source project every created |
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| 08:08.27 | walnuck | bob2, i'm saying this because debian has better policies and better package maintainers than fedora :) |
| 08:08.32 | Crasp | re |
| 08:08.32 | streuner__ | lisense issues |
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| 08:08.37 | solata | hello |
| 08:08.38 | solata | debian:/etc# dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 08:08.38 | solata | rc apache 1.3.33-4 versatile, high-performance HTTP server |
| 08:08.40 | infinity_ | streuner__: no way! |
| 08:08.45 | solata | what does RC mean ? |
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| 08:08.46 | bob2 | DuckTales: xv isn't open source |
| 08:08.49 | dondelelcaro | walnuck: that's cool, but it's kind of OT for #debian... |
| 08:08.54 | bob2 | DuckTales: removed |
| 08:08.56 | mikael_a | infinity_ i have alot of users on the server so i don't know how to transfer those... |
| 08:09.00 | Keshek | chealer: no, i actually couldnt get x to work on woody at all, but i just didnt change that when i copied the source |
| 08:09.04 | walnuck | dondek, |
| 08:09.04 | infinity_ | bob2: ohh .. wow. |
| 08:09.25 | bob2 | solata: removed |
| 08:09.27 | infinity_ | mikael_a: oh. so yea. use apache1. just fix your dependencies. |
| 08:09.29 | Crasp | i have a question about the "backup" user in the 'default' debian installation. Is it being used for something or can i change it to my own likings and give it a shell for rsync purposes for example? |
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| 08:09.30 | solata | thanks |
| 08:09.45 | streuner__ | infinity_: /msg dpkg xv |
| 08:09.49 | DuckTales | What is a good program to view pictures...adn do a simple slide show and stuff...that is quick/fast on on debian.org repos? |
| 08:09.49 | infinity_ | mikael_a: i would apt-get update and then apt-get install apache |
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| 08:09.58 | Keshek | chealer: ill change it to test now |
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| 08:10.00 | walnuck | dondelelcaro, well its true.. they're morons..they can't tell how good the whatis db supposedly helps for heavy shell users such as myself.. I hate the stupid twinkies navigating help on bablesay "clikie" menus.. |
| 08:10.00 | chealer | Keshek: uh? what do you mean by "when i copied the source"? this is what's in your sources.list? |
| 08:10.03 | dondelelcaro | DuckTales: xview, display, pornview, gtkview; |
| 08:10.11 | chealer | Keshek: testing, eh? |
| 08:10.13 | freewoody | Finally that GDM is gone. R.I.P |
| 08:10.17 | dondelelcaro | walnuck: that's great. It still is OT for #debian. |
| 08:10.21 | walnuck | dondelelcaro, true men use the shell! |
| 08:10.26 | Keshek | chealer: when i changed the list i copied that since i knew it worked |
| 08:10.31 | freewoody | How do I install the hostname ulitilty "dig" ? |
| 08:10.32 | DuckTales | thanks |
| 08:10.41 | streuner__ | freewoody: dnsutils |
| 08:10.42 | infinity_ | streuner__: sweet. thanks. they should opensource that crappy program. its so old-skewl. |
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| 08:10.47 | dondelelcaro | freewoody: it's in dnsutils, /msg dpkg search |
| 08:10.58 | peterrooney | infinity_: what particular improvement will i see (aside from the opportunity to learn a new configuration file) in moving to apache2 ? |
| 08:11.05 | chealer | Keshek: ok, so you're just trying to get APT back to work without being able to fetch nvidia-kernel-source, right? |
| 08:11.16 | infinity_ | peterrooney: i have no idea. i'm forced into apache1 |
| 08:11.17 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: the configuration hasn't really changed much |
| 08:11.22 | Keshek | it works now as far as i knw |
| 08:11.24 | mikael_a | infinity_ done so, it have stuck on a deb source... it have tried for like 2-3 min now |
| 08:11.39 | Keshek | chealer: but i still cant get the nvidia kernel |
| 08:11.49 | infinity_ | mikael_a: goto http://packages.debian.org and download it manually. |
| 08:12.02 | chealer | Keshek: you need to add sid sources. copy the line and change stable to sid |
| 08:12.12 | shurik | I compiled custom kernel using following command fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.120405 --added-patches=debianlogo kernel_imageand installed it, when I boot kernel panics with message unable to find root fs, here are .config and menu.list files : www.spunge.org/~alexg/config and www.spunge.org/~alexg/menu.list , both ati ide and ext2/ext3 are compiled in. What is the problem? |
| 08:12.13 | chealer | Keshek: are you sure you're running sarge? |
| 08:12.20 | infinity_ | mikael_a: you're probably runing testing/unstable and something is outa sync for awhile. |
| 08:12.24 | Keshek | yes |
| 08:12.27 | shurik | could it be the problem with debian's script? |
| 08:12.48 | mikael_a | infinity_ unstable am i running |
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| 08:13.00 | infinity_ | shurik: it probably has something to do with initrd / cramfs |
| 08:13.03 | chealer | Keshek: and add testing sources ASAP too, else you may get sid against your will |
| 08:13.18 | infinity_ | mikael_a: yea. sounds like you should be on testing or stable. |
| 08:13.31 | shurik | it's not |
| 08:13.35 | dondelelcaro | shurik: no, that has to do with not having the rootfs compiled in, or one of the ways to access the rootfs. |
| 08:13.54 | infinity_ | shurik: if you say so. i'm not going to argue. |
| 08:13.54 | Keshek | chealer: should i just copy this http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/files/sources.list |
| 08:14.03 | shurik | you only need initrd when fs and ide disk are compiled as modules, in any case I tried both ways and failed to boot |
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| 08:14.17 | shurik | rootfs ? |
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| 08:14.47 | mikael_a | infinity_: the server died, so that was why... |
| 08:14.51 | chealer | Keshek: there's a looot too much there. copy the line you pasted so you have it twice, change the first from stable to testing, and the second from stable to sid |
| 08:15.07 | freewoody | How do I change the title of gnome-terminal permanent ? |
| 08:15.11 | deeku | hey, anybody know why I get a different set of fonts for gtk apps, when I run startx or startx -- :1 ? |
| 08:15.13 | MidgetSpy | hey guys... I just installed a woody bf24 install and am trying to get it to recognize my NIC (3c905). when I tell modconf to load the tulip driver I get a bunch of errors saying it can't find the device - what can I do to troubleshoot this? |
| 08:15.21 | freewoody | using a single letter like "Debian" |
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| 08:15.44 | Crasp | freewoody: i think "Debian" counts about 6 letters ;) |
| 08:15.46 | shurik | fs onto which root is mounted is compiled in |
| 08:15.55 | shurik | dondelelcaro: |
| 08:16.00 | infinity_ | MidgetSpy: i don't see an error. did you install the modulel? |
| 08:16.01 | ledet | MidgetSpy: any particular reason why you didnt install sarge? |
| 08:16.03 | chealer | Keshek: keep in mind that you're playing with a critical config file |
| 08:16.04 | walnuck | freewoody, if its not in the options of the progie, then gconf is the way |
| 08:16.07 | aardvark | MidgetSpy: well, why the hell are you loading a tulip driver for a 3com card? |
| 08:16.29 | freewoody | I see |
| 08:16.33 | sep | MidgetSpy: 3c905 dont use tulip drivers |
| 08:16.42 | ledet | MidgetSpy: and i agree with aardvark... tulip is not 3com |
| 08:16.49 | shurik | I think the script to build kernels dibain's way is fscked up |
| 08:16.53 | Crasp | freewoody: you can try this: echo -ne "\033]0;Debian" |
| 08:16.55 | walnuck | freewoody, gconf can literally mean the cmd itself or Gnome config editor program |
| 08:16.58 | shurik | I'd do it the standa4rd way |
| 08:17.15 | MidgetSpy | aah so many responses (that's a good thing, thanks! hehe) |
| 08:17.32 | MidgetSpy | what does 905 use if not tulip? I thought I read that it was for all 900 series cards |
| 08:17.40 | infinity_ | shurik: omg ..the deiban kerenl build script is awesome. i LOVE it :) |
| 08:17.50 | walnuck | freewoody, in the shell-> a cool hint would suggest --help may point out how to change the title or->man gnome-terminal, or -> file `which gnome-terminal`..etc.. |
| 08:17.54 | Keshek | chealer: thanks the autoinstall appears to be running fine now, thanks alot |
| 08:17.58 | sep | shurik: and it works for the rest of us so.. |
| 08:18.01 | MidgetSpy | ledet: I am installing woody because I clicked "latest stable release" and that's what it gave me :0) |
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| 08:18.18 | dondelelcaro | shurik: uh, no... that's almost definetly ok. Check the /boot/config; to double check that it was building using the proper config, of cousre. |
| 08:18.21 | MidgetSpy | infinity_: the errors arise when I try to install the module. |
| 08:18.22 | dondelelcaro | s/sr/rs/ |
| 08:18.26 | chealer | Keshek: did you precise APT's default release? |
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| 08:18.30 | az_ | I've just installed a new box with unstable, using kernel 2.6.11 and initrd. I'd like to boot from a kernel without initrd, but I'm having trouble getting my nforce4 SATA controller detected. What am I missing? I've compiled in (relevant) modules listed by lsmod, but still no joy. Should this be possible, or am I crazy? |
| 08:18.35 | sep | MidgetSpy: use stable if you want to make a mean internet server, if you just want to play/learn or a desktop use sarge |
| 08:18.38 | infinity_ | shurik: trust me. when you want a modified initrd based on packages, it does it. its amazinng. SUPER DUPER TIME SAVER. |
| 08:18.54 | shurik | well, you find the problem then |
| 08:18.59 | shurik | instead shouting it super duper |
| 08:19.01 | Keshek | chealer: since i dont know the answer is probably no |
| 08:19.10 | ledet | sep: hell, i wouldnt use stable for mean internet server either :) |
| 08:19.11 | infinity_ | shurik: thats why you have the source. :P |
| 08:19.19 | shurik | and check google too it's flooded with question on the same proble m on deb ian with no apparent answer |
| 08:19.19 | MidgetSpy | sep: definitely not making a desktop out of this - the idea is to turn it into a server eventually ;-P |
| 08:19.26 | chealer | Keshek: you have to otherwise you may get on sid |
| 08:19.33 | chealer | !tell Keshek about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 08:19.35 | walnuck | az_, if the modules are on the disk, how can the kernel find them without initrd ? |
| 08:19.39 | infinity_ | shurik: that sucks. wish you could join the cult :/ |
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| 08:20.04 | shurik | if everything was super duper there won't be any work left for the package maintainers |
| 08:20.06 | chealer | Keshek: follow the instruction that dpkg told you : echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 08:20.10 | sep | ledet: so do i.. but if he dont know it might be better if he stuck with stable for a server box |
| 08:20.15 | infinity_ | shurik: true dat. |
| 08:20.23 | dondelelcaro | shurik: have you specified the proper root= option? what is the difference between the .config of the kernel you're using now and the one that doesn't work? |
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| 08:20.39 | Crasp | does anybody know which purpose the user "backup" serves in the default installation and whether i can modify it to have a shell and a password? |
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| 08:21.01 | MidgetSpy | hmm debian.org is down - does anybody know offhand what module to load for a 3com 3c905? |
| 08:21.09 | az_ | walnuck: what I mean is, after booting with the initrd kernel, I did an lsmod, then recompiled the kernel with most of those modules compiled in (i.e. not as modules). Should that work, or is initrd more capable than a kernel that matches the hardware? |
| 08:21.13 | chealer | well, I'm unable to reach www.debian.org |
| 08:21.14 | SuD | debian.org is down! it's the end of the world! |
| 08:21.21 | sep | MidgetSpy: try drivers that start with 3c :) |
| 08:21.31 | Crasp | MidgetSpy: modprobe 3c59x |
| 08:21.37 | SuD | modprobe -l | grep 3c |
| 08:21.42 | MidgetSpy | Sep: heh well I didn't see any - I will go back and take another look. |
| 08:21.44 | MidgetSpy | thanks guys |
| 08:21.50 | infinity_ | Crasp: find /var -user backup |
| 08:21.55 | shurik | dondelelcaro what do you mean? I am using prebuilt debian's kernel at the moment |
| 08:22.04 | shurik | there's quite a difference between the two |
| 08:22.06 | Crasp | infinity_: gave 0 results |
| 08:22.14 | infinity_ | Crasp: or find / -user backup ...and you'll see if anything is associated wit hit |
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| 08:22.19 | shurik | in terms of hardware support and certain options |
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| 08:22.28 | Crasp | infinity_: yet there might be daemons or programs running under backup |
| 08:22.29 | infinity_ | Crasp: same here. i have no idea what the point of user 'backup' is. |
| 08:22.30 | az_ | walnuck: It's the nv_sata and libata that don't appear in the boot messages for the non-modular kernel |
| 08:22.37 | Crasp | infinity_: so i can't take the risk |
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| 08:22.44 | borco | hi |
| 08:22.50 | infinity_ | Crasp: i would :) ...but risk is relative .heh |
| 08:23.03 | shurik | dondelelcaro: no root option, www.spunge.org/~alexg/menu.list |
| 08:23.05 | az_ | walnuck: but the're definitley compiled in, as well as any relevant dependencies I could find |
| 08:23.18 | shurik | dondelelcaro: www.spunge.org/~alexg/config |
| 08:23.22 | Crasp | infinity_: i wouldn't like stuff to become broken on a crucial db server :/ |
| 08:23.39 | borco | i try to use debmirror but signatures doesn't verify anymore. any idea on what's going on ? |
| 08:23.45 | infinity_ | Crasp: broke and oops and totally different. |
| 08:24.00 | dondelelcaro | shurik: and which IDE controller do you actually have? |
| 08:24.30 | chealer | borco: if it needs debian.org, it's down |
| 08:24.37 | Keshek | chealer: what exactly is that instructing me to do |
| 08:24.37 | shurik | dondelelcaro: via |
| 08:24.48 | chealer | Keshek: type that command |
| 08:25.01 | chealer | Keshek: echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 08:25.10 | dondelelcaro | shurik: and what partition is the root fs on? what is the root= option set to in your bootloader? |
| 08:25.15 | borco | chealer, i've try to download from a mirror, ftp.ro.debian.org. the signature doesn't veirfy there either ... |
| 08:25.21 | walnuck | az_, is this a new machine? |
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| 08:25.34 | az_ | waluck: yep, brand spankin :) |
| 08:25.40 | shurik | ide_generic 1408 0 |
| 08:25.40 | shurik | ide_disk 19296 4 |
| 08:25.40 | shurik | ide_core 139940 4 ide_cd,ide_generic,via82cxxx,ide_disk |
| 08:25.42 | chealer | borco: I don't know for the mirrors, I guess they should be fine |
| 08:26.02 | shurik | /dev/hda1 dondelelcaro |
| 08:26.53 | walnuck | az_, ok, if you look at the .c file from the kernel tree, you can have hints on what else should be on and compiled-in and not as modules.. |
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| 08:27.02 | dondelelcaro | shurik: and mount |grep 'on / '? |
| 08:27.18 | ledet | sep: yes, if he doesnt know anything, sticking with stable will probably be a good strategy... still... i would recommend sarge |
| 08:27.30 | borco | chealer, ups, it looks like my keyring is empty. i think that was the problem. sorry for the false alarm ... |
| 08:27.49 | walnuck | az_, for ie: pci hotplug.. |
| 08:27.50 | az_ | walnuck: OK, thanks, good tip. So I'm not crazy? This should be possible, right? I can work out the details, I just spent the weekend on it and got nowhere, so I was wondering if it was possible at all. |
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| 08:27.58 | shurik | /dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 08:28.01 | shurik | dondelelcaro: |
| 08:28.20 | walnuck | az_, i'm asking because i'm wondering if sata was working before with anything..have you been able to get into the instaler? |
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| 08:28.42 | dondelelcaro | shurik: ok, and when you dpkg-deb -c kernel-image-fooversion.deb; do you see any ide_generic.ko or similar modules? |
| 08:28.49 | az_ | walnuck: it boots fine (with the sata detected) if I use the initrd kernel |
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| 08:29.13 | shurik | wait |
| 08:29.26 | shurik | for which kernel? Debian's prebuilt? |
| 08:29.29 | walnuck | az_, use /boot/<previousconfig> to the kernel tree/.config and issue make oldconfig after make mrproper |
| 08:29.36 | dondelelcaro | shurik: the kernel that you built using make-kpkg |
| 08:29.41 | shurik | wait |
| 08:29.48 | Keshek | chealer: after that i just need to edit the config file and then grep -q ^nvidia /etc/modules || echo nvidia >> /etc/modules right? |
| 08:29.53 | walnuck | az_, um, actually that was pretty dumb of me, i meant #2 to issue make oldconfig |
| 08:30.23 | Galadrim | hi, i'm from france and www.debian.org doesnt respond, same thing with security.debian.org when i'm updating my package list, are you experiencing the same problem ??? |
| 08:30.30 | dondelelcaro | shurik: furthermore, did you run make-kpkg clean; in between modifing the config and running make-kpkg kernel_image; as documented in the kp mantra; factoid? |
| 08:30.41 | az_ | walnuck: yep, that's how I got 2.6.11 working with initrd. I installed from sarge netinst rc3 (kicks ass, BTW), then dist-upgraded to unstable, and installed kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 08:30.45 | chealer | Keshek: not necessarily, are you following the debian-nvidia howto? |
| 08:30.51 | dondelelcaro | Galadrim: it's fine here. Try www.nl.debian.org if you need a mirror |
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| 08:31.15 | Keshek | chealer: yes that was the last instruction |
| 08:31.21 | infinity_ | speaking of ..where is 2.6.12.deb? |
| 08:31.29 | chealer | Keshek: then I guess you're ok |
| 08:31.33 | az_ | walnuck: I've since been trying to get the non-initrd version working, but no joy so far |
| 08:31.41 | Galadrim | dondelelcaro, do you have a mirror for security.debian.org ? |
| 08:32.04 | shurik | dondelelcaro: could you join #flood? |
| 08:32.08 | dondelelcaro | Galadrim: uh, security.debian.org may be mirrored places, but you should be able to reach klecker |
| 08:32.11 | shurik | I'd paste the output on the channel |
| 08:32.11 | dondelelcaro | shurik: I'm already there |
| 08:32.14 | walnuck | az_, I don't see what you're trying to do to shy away from initrd kernels.. |
| 08:32.18 | mikael_a | infinity_: the server is back, i run a apt-get update but still got the error about the dependence... should i try to download it instead? |
| 08:32.24 | az_ | walnuck: But as long as I know I'm not attempting the impossible, I'll keep at it. I'll go through the source and look for more dependencies |
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| 08:32.34 | infinity_ | mikael_a: yea. manually download the packages. |
| 08:32.47 | HolyGoat | anyone happen to know of a channel to discuss open source software/evangelism in general? |
| 08:32.54 | fl0w | How do I get the list of installed packages? |
| 08:33.00 | SlayerXP | fl0w: dpkg -l |
| 08:33.04 | HolyGoat | fl0w: dpkg -l |
| 08:33.05 | HolyGoat | bah |
| 08:33.06 | HolyGoat | :) |
| 08:33.11 | walnuck | az_, you also have to read to see what the sata source depends on, it has nothing to do with realizing its being compile or not, but if your chipsets are being compiled as well.. |
| 08:33.22 | SlayerXP | bbiab |
| 08:33.27 | az_ | walnuck: I have a preference for kernels that match the hardware *exactly*, at least as far as mounting the root fs goes. Not the greatest of reasons, I'll admit... |
| 08:33.33 | Galadrim | dondelelcaro, sorry but what is klecker ? |
| 08:33.41 | dondelelcaro | Galadrim: that's the host that security.debian.org is on |
| 08:33.47 | walnuck | az_, you may have a chipset set as a module on your .config rather than choosing it being compiled-in , that's my guess. |
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| 08:34.04 | dondelelcaro | shurik: ok, that tells me that what you're seeing there doesn't match your config. |
| 08:34.21 | shurik | interesting |
| 08:34.29 | az_ | walnuck: yep, I've got the relevant chipsets in there too. OK, as long as I know I'm not crazy, I'll keep at it. Thanks heaps for all your help! |
| 08:34.30 | Keshek | chealer: should it have changed to a graphical login now? |
| 08:34.35 | shurik | config I put on the website? |
| 08:34.37 | dondelelcaro | shurik: double check your config again, and rerun make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg <options> clean; then make-kpkg <options> build_image; |
| 08:34.41 | dondelelcaro | shurik: yes. |
| 08:34.42 | walnuck | az_, well know your hardware very well, because you can go wrong by editing the .config itself, an ie to this is the rivafv driver which needs nvidia code to work.. |
| 08:34.48 | chealer | Keshek: no, these are only 3D drivers |
| 08:34.58 | shurik | well, I didn't make-kpkg clean |
| 08:35.01 | Galadrim | thks for your answers dondelecaro security.debian.org is responding again... |
| 08:35.08 | shurik | I was hoping to use cache |
| 08:35.11 | Keshek | chealer: it did for some reason.... |
| 08:35.18 | walnuck | az_, make use of the graphical edition (make gconfig or make xconfig) |
| 08:35.22 | dondelelcaro | shurik: you have CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC=y and the kernel that built that .deb had CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC=m |
| 08:35.25 | chealer | Keshek: heh, strange |
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| 08:36.02 | shurik | I am using the latest built .config and .deb , well .. |
| 08:36.06 | az_ | walnuck: I use menuconfig mostly. gconfig's good too, easier to see the descriptions. |
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| 08:36.50 | dondelelcaro | shurik: the output of dpkg-deb -c begs to differ. In fact, if you go dpkg-deb -x foo.deb .; and check boot/config-2.6.11.120405; you'll likely find CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC=m |
| 08:36.54 | borco | bye |
| 08:37.32 | Keshek | chealer: it appers to have installed, is there a way to make sure it works correctly |
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| 08:37.34 | az_ | walnuck: Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll go hit it again... |
| 08:37.35 | Marten | hello |
| 08:37.39 | walnuck | az_, make use of dmesg, etc...but also look into any verbosity, you can change verbosity levels that might spit out more information.. |
| 08:37.43 | shurik | should I use the option --config option? |
| 08:37.52 | dondelelcaro | shurik: no |
| 08:37.53 | chealer | Keshek: glxgears, tuxracers, neverball, other 3D games |
| 08:38.00 | chealer | s/tuxracers/tuxracer |
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| 08:38.23 | DuckTales | How many release candidates did woody have before it was stable? |
| 08:38.29 | dondelelcaro | DuckTales: none. |
| 08:38.35 | DuckTales | o |
| 08:38.39 | dondelelcaro | DuckTales: Debian doesn't do Release Candidates |
| 08:38.43 | az_ | walnuck: that's another good tip. Didn't notice anything in menuconfig about debug messages for e.g. nv_sata or libata, but I'll keep digging |
| 08:38.53 | dondelelcaro | when we release, the release is ready |
| 08:39.04 | shurik | one more question, beofre I start clearing cache. make-kpkg --help shows that if I want to use initrd I should patch kernel with crmafs |
| 08:39.10 | dondelelcaro | shurik: yes. |
| 08:39.11 | shurik | which I already have in the kernel |
| 08:39.17 | mikael_a | i got a dependence error, so i downloaded the .deb manually and tried, but still got the error... any idea? |
| 08:39.20 | shurik | no patch is needed? |
| 08:39.21 | Marten | i tried debootstrap sarge /newdir on a i386 and it fails with "E: Couldn't download libgnutls10 |
| 08:39.21 | Marten | " and it's still the same effect when i use a other mirror ... does anyone have a solution for this problem? |
| 08:39.22 | walnuck | az_, you can increase some verbosity for devices with the echo cmd under /proc is another cool thing to do with a running kernel |
| 08:39.27 | dondelelcaro | shurik: however, if you're building your own kernel, there's really no point to using initrd |
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| 08:39.37 | shurik | okay |
| 08:39.37 | DuckTales | Debian-Installer release candidate 3 |
| 08:39.45 | chealer | mikael_a: if you can't deal with dependency breakage, you shouldn't be running sid |
| 08:39.48 | DuckTales | dondelelcaro, Does that mean just the installer is rc3? |
| 08:39.49 | dondelelcaro | DuckTales: that's d-i, not the release itself. |
| 08:39.53 | dondelelcaro | DuckTales: yes. |
| 08:39.55 | DuckTales | k |
| 08:39.56 | az_ | walnuck: ah, but's that after it boots. Right now, I can only mount the root fs with the initrd kernel. |
| 08:40.13 | mikael_a | chealer: no, but not late to learn right? |
| 08:40.20 | az_ | walnuck: the non-initrd panics when it can't mount root (no device) |
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| 08:41.20 | walnuck | az_, there's another thing-> when your kernel is compile ->rdev <kernelname> should be what you expect it.. |
| 08:41.53 | walnuck | az_, otherwise you pass the root argument to the kernel bootline |
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| 08:42.32 | az_ | walnuck: yeah, I pass root= to the kernel (and grub makes trying different ones easy!) |
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| 08:42.46 | liable | dondelelcaro: while your here, I cant get the factoids out of dpkg when I message it, ie 'factoids profanity' or anything else, what does this idiot have to do? |
| 08:42.46 | jhares | please i have same problem: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg06271.html pls: how i patch it? i never do it.. |
| 08:43.08 | walnuck | az_, under grub use the "find" command |
| 08:43.10 | fatalbert | Hi, I'm just installing debian, but it can't get to security.debian.org? |
| 08:43.20 | walnuck | az_, this makes grub powerful |
| 08:43.31 | dondelelcaro | liable: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 08:43.37 | az_ | walnuck: huh, didn't know that one, I'll try it, thanks |
| 08:43.46 | chealer | fatalbert: are you installing sarge? |
| 08:43.51 | fatalbert | yes |
| 08:43.53 | liable | dondelelcaro: see the available factoids |
| 08:43.59 | fatalbert | i can't access debian.org from this box either |
| 08:43.59 | jethro | moin |
| 08:44.00 | chealer | fatalbert: with the netinst? |
| 08:44.03 | fatalbert | yes |
| 08:44.08 | walnuck | az_, basically it'll search across devices it sees and give you the location of the existing kernels |
| 08:44.10 | chealer | fatalbert: www.debian.org is down |
| 08:44.15 | karsten | fatalbert: Is that Fatal Bert? |
| 08:44.22 | fatalbert | planning on upgrading to sid, though i'm not sure how to do that yet... |
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| 08:44.27 | fatalbert | fat albert ;) |
| 08:44.29 | chealer | fatalbert: do you use PPPoE? |
| 08:44.35 | fatalbert | i will be, yes |
| 08:44.37 | dondelelcaro | liable: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 08:44.38 | caphuso | chealer: works for me |
| 08:44.41 | SlayerXP | fatalbert: sid is not an upgrade. |
| 08:45.02 | az_ | walnuck: although, it has no trouble locating the kernel, it's just when the kernel doesn't (for whatever reason) doesn't load libata or nv_sata, /dev/sda1 doesn't exist. |
| 08:45.02 | chealer | thanks caphuso |
| 08:45.06 | fatalbert | SlayerXP: as i said, i'm not sure. i just want something fairly new |
| 08:45.09 | chealer | fatalbert: www.debian.org is back |
| 08:45.23 | chealer | fatalbert: what connection medium are you using for your installation? |
| 08:45.24 | az_ | walnuck: (hd0,0) does, though |
| 08:45.42 | Keshek | chealer: its working great, thanks for all the help chealer |
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| 08:45.50 | cafuego | az_: Ah, hard coding primary controller and rootfs is alwaysa good idea. |
| 08:45.55 | chealer | Keshek: my pleasure |
| 08:45.56 | fatalbert | hmmm, not for me :\ chealer: i have a windows box doing ics on my dsl (raspppoe) right now, planning to switch it over to the debian box for ipmasquerading/etc with rapppoe |
| 08:45.57 | SlayerXP | fatalbert: use sarge |
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| 08:46.10 | SlayerXP | fatalbert: sid is for people who _are_ sure. |
| 08:46.12 | liable | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 08:46.25 | walnuck | az_, (hd0,0) does what? |
| 08:46.25 | fatalbert | SlayerXP: ok |
| 08:46.41 | chealer | fatalbert: no idea what's PPPoE, but what connection medium are you using for your installation? |
| 08:46.51 | chealer | s/PPPoE/raspppoe |
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| 08:47.15 | az_ | walnuck: grub finds the kernel fine on (hd0,0). The kernel boots, then panics when trying to find /dev/sda1 (passed via root=) |
| 08:47.22 | walnuck | az_, you can try the arg noinitrd to be sure.. |
| 08:47.40 | walnuck | az_, use rdev |
| 08:47.46 | walnuck | az_, sorry, |
| 08:47.55 | fatalbert | chealer, if it's not debian.org then it's probably my isp. i have a couple of other boxes connected the same way and the net works fine except for deb.org atm |
| 08:47.58 | walnuck | az_, it panics and says what else? |
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| 08:48.50 | az_ | walnuck: It can't mount root (/dev/sda1). This is (I assume) because I don't see any boot messages about libata or nv_sata. I see both of these with the initrd kernel. |
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| 08:49.24 | Keshek | now that my drivers are fine i have a general question: atm im using kde what desktop managers do you guys recomend |
| 08:49.31 | walnuck | az_, any errors with acpi or apm ? |
| 08:49.46 | SlayerXP | Keshek: K Destop Manager |
| 08:49.48 | az_ | cafuego: sorry, man I honestly don't know: is that a compliment or sarcasm? |
| 08:49.52 | chealer | Keshek: kdm is better for only KDE |
| 08:50.18 | smhar | slashdot has a story about debian.. it is very confusing |
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| 08:50.45 | az_ | walnuck: Not that I remember, but I'm not staring at the boot messages this minute. Give me 5 mins to try a new kernel... |
| 08:50.59 | smhar | it is about the relastionship between debian and Ubuntu |
| 08:51.20 | walnuck | az_, if you keep doing this, its pretty lengthsome and boresome! look into the option of redirecting the errors to a port! |
| 08:51.36 | walnuck | az_ including the kernel panics |
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| 08:51.53 | karsten | smhar: Isn't it just? |
| 08:52.05 | walnuck | az_, if you're really good you'd know how to make use of the jargon it spits out... |
| 08:52.09 | karsten | Keshek: I recommend one, unless you prefer console. |
| 08:52.12 | sml | !tell me about nvidia |
| 08:52.21 | carnage | which has better sound quality, an ipod or a palm? |
| 08:52.27 | smhar | and most the comments seems that the problems are all debian's fault |
| 08:52.28 | karsten | Keshek: What I use is another question entirely. That's wmaker. |
| 08:52.35 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 08:52.45 | karsten | carnage: An iPod, probably. |
| 08:52.55 | carnage | thats a guess :p |
| 08:52.55 | walnuck | carnage, are those the new names for high-fiber toilet paper in the states/ |
| 08:52.56 | freewoody | " apt-get install openoffice.org " will install OpenOffice.org right ? |
| 08:52.57 | az_ | walnuck: OK, so I'm not *really* good. Just sorta good :). Not a total noob |
| 08:53.21 | carnage | sure walnuck.... |
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| 08:53.35 | HolyGoat | Hm let me ask in here.. I'm trying to evangelize OSS software, but I soon got stuck on the groupware solutions that are available. In order to convince companies to use OSS software, I figured they'd first want the desktop applications to go OSS (not talking about servers here, those too of course). Anyone know of an OSS email client that will also run on win32 and has support for e.g. OpenGroupware? |
| 08:53.37 | HolyGoat | freewoody: yah |
| 08:54.08 | fatalbert | is it possible to install x.org in sarge? |
| 08:55.12 | shurik | dondelelcaro generic pci ide chipset support , do I need this module? |
| 08:55.15 | shurik | :) |
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| 08:55.34 | smhar | fatalbert, I don't think there is an easy way |
| 08:55.42 | MidgetSpy | Thanks for the help guys - I found the module, installed it, and everything is working great. |
| 08:55.43 | freewoody | Debain Linux is Great (y) |
| 08:55.50 | walnuck | az_, mount the initrd image and see whats on it |
| 08:56.01 | streuner__ | !debain |
| 08:56.01 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 08:56.06 | MidgetSpy | freewoody: bots are great |
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| 08:56.21 | karsten | Keshek: Among the desktops I recommend, varying situations. KDE/GNOME are the "full desktop" environments. I find 'em heavy. XFCE4's pretty slick, and pretty light, considered. WMaker's my preference. The "*box"es are light and clean (flux/black/open/match). icewm works well on really old stuff (486/Pentium). There's also waimea, ion, ratpoison, enlightenment, fvwm (popular with coders), etc. |
| 08:56.26 | az_ | walnuck: is that going to be any different from 'grep \=M .config'? |
| 08:56.38 | fatalbert | smhar, ah well, i suppose it doesn't make a lot of difference to me. i only need xfce to run ok anyway |
| 08:57.14 | walnuck | az_, make would of failed..why are you doing this from another station? you shouldn't edit .config, liar! |
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| 08:58.59 | walnuck | az_, I thought you were trying to find <cr>..but still i don't know why you're being "dumb", you really can't do it like this anymore.. |
| 08:59.53 | suzzi | howdy all Quick question. How would I go about easly creating a directory copy via ftp? I was hopeing to have ssh access to this box but only FTP. is there something like scp via ftp??? |
| 08:59.59 | az_ | walnuck: what the? I can make a kernel fine. It obviously doesn't have everything I need in it. I understand this. I can boot the machine (to the same fs) with the initrd kernel. I'm making the kernel on the box I'm trying to boot. I could mount the cramfs image, but would it tell me anything that a grep of .config wouldn't? Or a 'find /lib/modules/2.6.11' -name '*o' -print would, for that matter? |
| 09:00.46 | SlayerXP | suzzi: you forgot to read the man page |
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| 09:00.59 | Crasp | suzzi: there is something like sftp, but there is no way you can secure a standard ftp connection |
| 09:01.03 | walnuck | az_, the makerules can be different and you've never even looked into them..nor does anybody..that's why there's make gconfig..screw perusing .config ITS USELES |
| 09:01.08 | az_ | walnuck: forget it, I just wanted to know it was possible to make a kernel for any given box without initrd. If the answer to that is yes, I'll keep playing with it and work it out myself |
| 09:01.17 | walnuck | az_, yes, but not that way.. |
| 09:01.41 | walnuck | az_, in the earlier kernels you can do it like that, but not now..there's so many makerules you can't keep up.. |
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| 09:02.20 | walnuck | az_, and its more than just the makerules |
| 09:02.39 | az_ | walnuck: OK, thanks for the info. So I'll stick with gconfig and less Makefile in the appropriate dir. |
| 09:02.45 | walnuck | az_, just because it compiles doesn't say there are missing things for a routine to work during runtime |
| 09:02.56 | az_ | walnuck: I realise that. |
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| 09:03.18 | walnuck | az_, if you know why the cramfs is there, so you can be sure that whatever is on there is included in your kernel.. |
| 09:03.25 | buu | Hrm. Anyoen have an idea how I can extract a small portion from this avi? |
| 09:03.36 | buu | Or atleast, which program I should use? |
| 09:03.46 | az_ | walnuck: OK, so the cramfs image might be different to the grep \=M. I understand now. Thanks. |
| 09:04.05 | walnuck | az_, no, its an image you should be able to mount and see whats on it |
| 09:04.29 | inu | buu, avidemux |
| 09:04.38 | walnuck | az_, obviously you've never done a mount on an image before.. |
| 09:04.46 | karsten | !window managers |
| 09:04.55 | az_ | walnuck: OK, now you're insulting me. |
| 09:05.22 | karsten | !window manager |
| 09:05.22 | dpkg | see: afterstep, e, window maker, icewm, blackbox, fvwm2, sawmill, sapphire, or kahakai, or openbox |
| 09:05.26 | walnuck | az_, ok..maybe I'm insulting, I'm referring to an inference...try not to deduce too much.. |
| 09:05.31 | karsten | dpkg: forget window manager |
| 09:05.32 | dpkg | karsten: i forgot window manager |
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| 09:06.04 | karsten | dpkg window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, aewm++, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion2, ion3, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox-window-manager, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. There's twin (Text mode WINdow environment), and |
| 09:06.04 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 09:06.13 | karsten | !window manager |
| 09:06.13 | dpkg | hmm... window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, aewm++, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion2, ion3, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox-window-manager, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. There's twin (Text mode WINdow environment), and |
| 09:06.15 | redcliffe | hi - i've got a slight problem with my network card, it's working, but the mac address is 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
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| 09:06.26 | karsten | dpkg: forget window manager |
| 09:06.27 | dpkg | karsten: i forgot window manager |
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| 09:06.33 | az_ | walnuck: I can mount the initrd image, I just didn't see the difference between looking at that and looking at .config. It's just going to be a filesystem with a bunch of .o's on it, for fsck's sake. I understand now, thanks to your help, that the makerules, especially for 2.6.x, can make this substantially different from the .config. Cool. I can deal with that. I'll have a look at the initrd image |
| 09:06.56 | az_ | walnuck: all my kernels have a loop device |
| 09:07.09 | redcliffe | is there any driver related thing that would be able to do that? it's an onboard sk98lin |
| 09:07.12 | sep | redcliffe: do you have a hwaddress line in nnyour interfaces file ? |
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| 09:07.38 | redcliffe | sep: no - it's also configured by dhcp |
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| 09:07.50 | redcliffe | sep: i thought the hwaddress would be in the firmware |
| 09:07.56 | Huey | does anyone know where valknut stores its configuration files? |
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| 09:08.01 | sep | redcliffe: in linux you can override it |
| 09:08.05 | Huey | i'm moving to another computer, and would like to copy over the old settings |
| 09:08.15 | redcliffe | sep: ah ok, i can't see anywhere where i am though |
| 09:08.16 | sep | redcliffe: but it is usualy in firmware |
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| 09:08.57 | chealer | dpkg: is all that stuff in debian? |
| 09:09.00 | walnuck | az_, so what's your mobo anyways? |
| 09:09.28 | az_ | walnuck: ASUS A8N-SLI deluxe |
| 09:10.03 | buu | inu: I tried to apt get it and got: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:10.07 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.07 | az_ | walnuck: nforce4, couple of gig nics, more importantly two PCI express graphics card slots :) |
| 09:10.25 | walnuck | az_, have the pci hotplug installed |
| 09:10.46 | streuner__ | buu: sarge? |
| 09:10.48 | sep | redcliffe: well in that case verify you use the correct driver, and try and rmmod and modprobe the driver again, if all else fails you could try to set a hwaddress in interfacse file to the address that the card _should_ have had |
| 09:11.02 | az_ | walnuck: yes. |
| 09:11.03 | buu | streuner__: Er, unstable |
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| 09:11.10 | sep | redcliffe: or more sane, disable the onboard in bios, and insert a pci nic |
| 09:11.17 | walnuck | az_, there's a compile option for pci express too..but I think you need to take a look and see if you can compare kernel messages.. |
| 09:11.17 | streuner__ | buu: what does BTS say? |
| 09:11.29 | buu | streuner__: Sorry, what is BTS? |
| 09:11.38 | streuner__ | buu: /msg dpkg bts |
| 09:11.47 | chealer | !sidsmite buu |
| 09:12.18 | az_ | walnuck: Yeah, I've been through that, I've tried with and without pci express support, and the only (significant) difference I can see is that on the initrd kernel libata and nv_sata get loaded, and on the non-initrd kernel they don't |
| 09:12.19 | buu | Eh? |
| 09:12.35 | karsten | !window manager |
| 09:12.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No ... |
| 09:12.45 | chealer | dpkg: is all that stuff in debian? |
| 09:12.47 | buu | I see. |
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| 09:13.23 | ytripppy | will using dpkg-reconfigure etherconf, find my network card? or just its settings? |
| 09:13.34 | karsten | chealer: dpkg is a bot. |
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| 09:13.45 | chealer | karsten: : is all that stuff in debian? |
| 09:13.49 | karsten | chealer: ...but yes. 'apt-cache search "window manager"' |
| 09:13.58 | chealer | omg |
| 09:14.09 | chealer | i hope you're kidding me |
| 09:14.19 | sep | chealer: you dont need to use all of them you know, just pick one you like! |
| 09:14.28 | karsten | chealer: Actually, I had to slim the list down to fit the factoid. There's a few variants of fvwm, ion, and others. |
| 09:14.31 | karsten | chealer: Nope. |
| 09:14.36 | chealer | LOL |
| 09:14.43 | chealer | I can't believe it |
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| 09:15.07 | karsten | chealer: Believe it. You can have multiples installed. |
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| 09:15.13 | karsten | !window managers for x |
| 09:15.14 | dpkg | i guess window managers for x is http://www.xwinman.org/ |
| 09:15.22 | walnuck | az_, do a diff on the two .configs...look at anything to do with mtr, and turn off the optimization compiling feature |
| 09:15.24 | chealer | someone should count them |
| 09:15.30 | karsten | chealer: See above page. It's got shots of most of 'em. |
| 09:15.55 | chealer | I'll run wc on that list during the night |
| 09:16.03 | karsten | chealer: Well, there's 45 in the initial list. |
| 09:16.26 | karsten | chealer: ...then there's twin (Text-mode WINdowing environmnet), |
| 09:16.27 | chealer | wow. lots of choice, eh |
| 09:16.34 | karsten | chealer: ...and GNOME / KDE / XFCE. |
| 09:16.48 | walnuck | az_, libata is for scsi, and nv_ata probably makes use of it |
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| 09:16.56 | karsten | chealer: ... and *two* window manager pickers. Lets you select one at startup. |
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| 09:17.15 | az_ | walnuck: Yep. scsi emulation for sata is now deprecated |
| 09:17.16 | karsten | chealer: ...as the factoid says, there's now window-manager-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 09:17.23 | karsten | s/now/no/ |
| 09:17.31 | chealer | karsten: at X startup? I've always been Redmondist in desktop matters |
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| 09:17.42 | chealer | haha |
| 09:17.55 | karsten | chealer: A lot of 'em are old ones for compatibility... |
| 09:17.57 | karsten | chealer: ?? |
| 09:18.03 | smhar | I just finished installing sarge recently and I am already thinking of swithing to ubuntu.. is somthing wrong with me? |
| 09:18.09 | karsten | chealer: What's "redmondist" in this context? |
| 09:18.19 | karsten | smhar: Yeth. Your lithping. |
| 09:18.29 | chealer | karsten: I never tried something other than gnome and KDE more than a hour |
| 09:18.30 | huron_ | hi all, I'm on debian sid ... and apt-get -s dist-upgrade tells me that 'kde kdeaddons kvim vimpart' will be removed ... it's just the metapackage kde ... but I wonder if that's normal ? |
| 09:18.55 | karsten | chealer: twm, fvwm, olwm, w9wm, ctwm, are pretty minimal. |
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| 09:19.12 | karsten | chealer: I've never tried GNOME or KDE for more than an hour or so ;-) |
| 09:19.16 | chealer | karsten: I was just wondering what are the wm pickers? |
| 09:19.22 | chealer | hehe |
| 09:19.37 | chealer | karsten: how and when do you interact with them? |
| 09:19.38 | karsten | chealer: apt-cache show selectwm wmanager. |
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| 09:19.54 | karsten | chealer: NFC. I just stumbled on 'em myself now. |
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| 09:20.11 | notty | dose any of the apache2 pkg's support large files ? |
| 09:20.14 | chealer | ok, that looks like what I had in mind |
| 09:20.34 | mikael_a | does a friendly mind have time to help me with an dependence problem? |
| 09:20.38 | chealer | huron_: check that all of kde's dependencies are installable, |
| 09:20.50 | karsten | !tell mikael_a about ask |
| 09:21.22 | chealer | !sidsmite mikael_a |
| 09:21.34 | walnuck | az_, I hope you're not doing i586, you also can probably turn off x86 emulation |
| 09:21.45 | chealer | hum, that factoid has less variety than the window manager one |
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| 09:22.13 | az_ | walnuck: <sarcasm>yeah, thanks for that</sarcasm> |
| 09:22.28 | huron_ | chealer: apart from removing kvim and the metapackage kde, I'm sure that it wont hurt my system ... but I wonder why it is so |
| 09:22.45 | chealer | huron_: are you sure that kvim in installable? |
| 09:22.45 | mikael_a | karsten: i did before, but got a such hey why ask, when it seems as you not know what you are doing. That is true... |
| 09:22.54 | ytripppy | how do i. dam i know. |
| 09:22.58 | walnuck | az_, well i don't know...its not sarcasm at all.. |
| 09:23.07 | groulder | is the current bind9 unstable package broken? |
| 09:23.10 | caphuso | huron_: kvim has been removed |
| 09:23.35 | chealer | so kde needs to be updated |
| 09:23.41 | huron_ | caphuso: and since kde got a dependency on it, it will be removed also ... |
| 09:24.03 | caphuso | huron_: yeah, but that's nothing to worry about |
| 09:24.25 | caphuso | you don't need to have the meta packages installed |
| 09:24.31 | huron_ | caphuso: sure, unless you have to use the metapackage kde for a first time install |
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| 09:24.50 | huron_ | caphuso: ... I was just checking :-) |
| 09:24.59 | walnuck | az_, not sarcasm, if you would like to be sure of another thing is that you can take not of the chipset labels and try to grep them against the .c files... |
| 09:25.00 | caphuso | huron_: the metapackages will get updated eventually |
| 09:25.08 | huron_ | caphuso: ok |
| 09:25.09 | az_ | walnuck: I meant, I was being sarcastic. That's OK man, I already worked that tip out, I'm going to try i386 though, just in case there's some funky compatibility issues with Athlon64 and nv_sata... |
| 09:25.23 | huron_ | bye all |
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| 09:26.06 | walnuck | az_, no, look at the above.. |
| 09:26.25 | walnuck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:26.37 | az_ | walnuck: Oh, I see. Sorry |
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| 09:27.04 | fatalbert | Not sure if this is the right place and please feel free to point me in the right direction, but can anyone recommend a good iptables/masquerading script? QoS/traffic shaping is a bonus, but not entirely required |
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| 09:29.33 | walnuck | fatalbert, man iptables will tell you in the See Also section |
| 09:29.45 | walnuck | fatalbert, is a command -> "man iptables" |
| 09:29.52 | fatalbert | excellent, thanks :) |
| 09:30.08 | smhar_ | I just finished installing sarge recently and I am already thinking of swithing to ubuntu.. is somthing wrong with me? |
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| 09:30.30 | cahoot | smhar_: seeking medical advice? |
| 09:30.33 | BetaB | hi |
| 09:30.39 | walnuck | smhar, yes, you're in #debian and not #ubuntu |
| 09:30.42 | wolverine667 | does anyone know how to set up a dsl-connection with a static ip? |
| 09:31.03 | BetaB | i know this isn't exactly a debian question, but if i've made an ext2 filesystem into an ext3 one with tune2fs -j, is there any way i can undo it? |
| 09:31.10 | walnuck | smhar, see a doctor in #ubuntu, you caught the ubuntu syndrome, don't infect us and leave |
| 09:31.18 | SlayerXP | BetaB: yes. remove the journal node. |
| 09:31.28 | BetaB | SlayerXP: just delete .journal? |
| 09:31.43 | SlayerXP | BetaB: google will tell you the exact procedure |
| 09:32.07 | walnuck | BetaB, no, cat /dev/urandom >/dev/<> will do the trick too :) |
| 09:32.10 | groulder | can someone help me with a bind9 problem? |
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| 09:32.35 | SlayerXP | groulder: either yes or no. |
| 09:33.04 | groulder | whenever i use dig or nslookup i get the error, couldn't get address for 'p': not found |
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| 09:34.17 | wolverine667 | groulder: is the machine that bind runs on, protected by iptables or sth? |
| 09:34.30 | groulder | no. |
| 09:35.07 | wolverine667 | internet access is working from that machine? |
| 09:35.12 | groulder | yes |
| 09:35.27 | groulder | dns is working from that machine. |
| 09:35.54 | wolverine667 | groulder: what exactly do you use bind for? |
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| 09:36.15 | groulder | dns server. |
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| 09:37.51 | wolverine667 | groulder: i'm not an bind expert, but take a look at this: |
| 09:37.54 | wolverine667 | http://thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/doc.html |
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| 09:38.35 | wolverine667 | maybe this does the job too |
| 09:38.46 | groulder | wolverine667, you don't understand. i don't want to replace bind. it's been working fine for a year. |
| 09:38.53 | groulder | just in the past week it has started giving me these errors. |
| 09:39.10 | wolverine667 | groulder: ok |
| 09:39.27 | Nemoder | anyone know where I can find a floppy image that lets me boot off the cdrom? (for an old box that won't boot direclty to CD) |
| 09:40.02 | wolverine667 | does anyone know how to set up a dsl-connection with a static ip? |
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| 09:43.08 | fatalbert | wow, synergy is perfect! |
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| 09:44.26 | dli | any comment about nessus ? |
| 09:44.31 | liable | Nemoder: debian.org homepage has a link |
| 09:44.38 | nornagon | Hrm. There appears to be no package kernel-source-2.6.7 :| |
| 09:44.50 | nornagon | And the nvidia driver installer seems to want it. |
| 09:44.54 | wolverine667 | can anyone help me with a dsl problem? |
| 09:44.55 | Nemoder | liable: been looking, must be blind |
| 09:44.58 | chealer | nornagon: there isn't anymore. there's 2.6.8 |
| 09:45.05 | nornagon | :/ |
| 09:45.05 | dli | nornagon, why not 2.6.11 ? |
| 09:45.14 | nornagon | dli: Because what I have works! |
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| 09:45.22 | chealer | nornagon: that must be because you're using an old kernel |
| 09:45.22 | nornagon | I tried 2.6.9, and it broke, so. |
| 09:45.30 | nornagon | chealer: :P |
| 09:45.34 | dli | nornagon, what broke? |
| 09:45.38 | chealer | nornagon: you want 2.6.8 |
| 09:45.41 | nornagon | dli: mostly sound. |
| 09:45.49 | PitchForkLin | quick question on kernel selection. I have a P4 3.2 Gig. Which kernel is compatible. ? i386 i686 or K7? |
| 09:45.55 | nornagon | chealer: okay. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7? |
| 09:46.00 | dli | PitchForkLin, i686 |
| 09:46.09 | PitchForkLin | thank you |
| 09:46.26 | karsten | !best wm |
| 09:46.26 | dpkg | best wm is, like, depends on your needs. Popular full desktops: GNOME, KDE, XFCE. Fast/light: openbox, icewm. Eye-candy: enlightenment. Efficient: windowmaker NeXTish / GNUstep. Generic: sawfish. Programmable/configurable: fvwm, waimea. Tabs/panes/tiles: pwm, ion. Minimal: oroborus, ratpoison. See window managers, window managers for x. |
| 09:46.33 | sml | the /etc/apt/apt.conf file ... is that still valid for sarge since the default installation doesn't create this file. I've manually created it but just wanted to check its not deprecated. |
| 09:46.33 | chealer | nornagon: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 09:46.44 | nornagon | chealer: okay. |
| 09:46.59 | nornagon | chealer: thanks. Presumably there's some command to update grub or something? |
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| 09:47.11 | mikael_a | after sorting things out with chealer, so did we came up to, that i was running woody, since i got the php5, and mysql4.1 from dotdeb. i tought it was sid, but it was woody... everyone can make a misstake... |
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| 09:47.14 | chealer | sml: it's valid |
| 09:47.23 | sml | chealer: kewl. thanks. |
| 09:47.45 | chealer | mikael_a: yes, everyone can make a mistake :) but remind us your problem :) |
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| 09:48.11 | chealer | nornagon: you thought apt-get wouldn't handle that, eh? ;) |
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| 09:48.52 | mikael_a | i got a dependency problem... when i run apt-get install apache apache-common. it will not install apache from the dot.deb |
| 09:49.05 | Humbe | In debian testing.. If I use mouse to cut and paste into firefox url bar.. I get extra text from copy I did long ago.. What's up with that? |
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| 09:49.17 | nornagon | chealer: It does? Neat! |
| 09:49.18 | dli | mikael_a, apt-get -f install |
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| 09:49.41 | mikael_a | the same |
| 09:49.46 | chealer | mikael_a: you want to get apache from dotdeb? so apache 1.3.33? |
| 09:50.34 | mikael_a | 1.3.26 is the latest there i belive? |
| 09:50.36 | chealer | or looks like 1.3.26 |
| 09:50.40 | chealer | ok |
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| 09:50.56 | chealer | you have to get that one due to php's dependencies? |
| 09:51.05 | liable | Nemoder: debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 09:51.24 | ^Duffy^ | whats wrong with apache2 ? |
| 09:51.49 | HolyGoat | nothing, some php extensions are just not thread safe yet |
| 09:51.50 | scytheman | nothing |
| 09:52.02 | mikael_a | it tries to install 1.3.34 |
| 09:52.04 | mikael_a | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apache: |
| 09:52.04 | mikael_a | apache depends on apache-common (>= 1.3.33-4); however: |
| 09:52.04 | sml | chealer: how do you get apt to prompt you prior to downloading like it does in woody ? |
| 09:52.35 | dli | will bastille+psad protects the old kernel 2.4.22 ? |
| 09:52.49 | chealer | sml: why do you ask me? |
| 09:52.57 | Nemoder | liable: i guess that will work but I could have sworn i had a floppy image that let me just choose what device to boot from |
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| 09:53.51 | chealer | mikael_a: however what? there's nothing else? BTW apache 1.3.34 isn't out yet |
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| 09:54.18 | carnage | i don't believe the health canada warning on this cigarette pack |
| 09:54.33 | az_ | walnuck: guess what? I changed the Processor family to 386 and it worked |
| 09:54.33 | carnage | there is no way there was 510 murders in canada in 1996 |
| 09:54.39 | liable | Nemoder: I believe there is, sorry dont know as I havent actually done it |
| 09:54.49 | chealer | carnage: put it in the garbage then |
| 09:55.05 | carnage | but theres still smokes in it heh |
| 09:55.46 | chealer | sml: it depends what exactly you're doing, but try apt-get -u |
| 09:56.42 | az_ | walnuck: damn I feel stupid. But happy :) |
| 09:57.01 | mikael_a | but how do i then remove the prg i tries to install and instead install the stuff from dot.deb |
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| 09:58.07 | chealer | mikael_a: tell us the full error, and which version of apache you have |
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| 10:00.10 | dli | anyone using nessus ? |
| 10:00.12 | Nemoder | http://btmgr.webframe.org |
| 10:00.18 | Nemoder | must have been it |
| 10:00.30 | Teemu_K | how i can get trought some depency problem :I |
| 10:01.03 | Teemu_K | i have compiled by my self xserver-xorg, but few debencys says that isn't installed or something like that |
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| 10:02.53 | dli | fuser 22/tcp hangs forever, any idea? |
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| 10:03.32 | mikael_a | should i past all that here or in the #flood? |
| 10:03.46 | chealer | mikael_a: yep |
| 10:03.50 | tuxyAtitude | how to record a video from a webcam ? |
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| 10:03.55 | chealer | mikael_a: I meant, #flood |
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| 10:04.49 | Mardus | Hi. |
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| 10:05.15 | mikael_a | done |
| 10:05.21 | tarzeau | yes i know www.linuks.mine.nu has no more power |
| 10:05.41 | chealer | mikael_a: apache 1.3.34? but that's not even released |
| 10:05.55 | Mardus | I have mouse buttons remapped through .Xmodmap/.Xsession for just my own user account. How can I set this for the root user in X? |
| 10:05.59 | chealer | tarzeau: oh, what's happening? :( |
| 10:06.09 | mikael_a | i want to remove that from the apt-get list... |
| 10:06.15 | tarzeau2 | chealer: damned power supply in my damned city |
| 10:06.17 | mikael_a | so it don't try to install it... |
| 10:06.25 | chealer | mikael_a: ah ok it just conflicts with that |
| 10:06.25 | tarzeau2 | chealer: too much housewifes turning on the kitchen devices |
| 10:06.42 | chealer | tarzeau2: damn, hope you're not in california :) |
| 10:06.44 | Mardus | tarzeau2: Which country/city are you in? |
| 10:06.47 | mikael_a | since it was getting that stuff from, the unstable link, and i don't want to run unstable |
| 10:06.56 | tarzeau2 | Mardus: switzerland, www.brugg-online.ch |
| 10:06.58 | directhex|work | tarzeau2, go get a UPS |
| 10:07.04 | tarzeau2 | chealer: no, turkey would be worse |
| 10:07.09 | tarzeau2 | directhex|work: you pay it? |
| 10:07.12 | chealer | tarzeau2: ugh |
| 10:07.18 | tarzeau2 | directhex|work: i don't even have a harddisk > 2gb in that machine!! |
| 10:07.34 | directhex|work | tarzeau2, go get a job, THEn get a UPS |
| 10:07.41 | tarzeau2 | directhex|work: i have a job |
| 10:07.42 | mikael_a | and instead use the dot.deb apache version... with suexec |
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| 10:08.00 | tarzeau2 | directhex|work: no, we have like once/year power outage, for that an UPS is not cheap enough |
| 10:08.06 | chealer | mikael_a: please also post dpkg -l apache* |grep ii |
| 10:08.22 | dli | tarzeau2, run a laptop :) |
| 10:08.47 | mikael_a | done |
| 10:09.57 | Mardus | So I have this question about having .Xmodmap mouse remap settings for root X, but I don't know where to copy the .Xmodmap and .Xsession files (or I am not aware of another method). |
| 10:10.19 | chealer | mikael_a: sorry, please post dpkg -l 'apache*' |grep ii |
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| 10:12.58 | mxn | Hi. Can screensaver applications like xscreensaver manage monitor power? (i.e. power off/standby after x minutes) |
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| 10:13.38 | mikael_a | done |
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| 10:15.07 | dli | is it enough to disable a user login by setting the shell to /bin/false ? |
| 10:15.12 | directhex|work | mxn, xfree86 manages that |
| 10:15.37 | godless | question : how do I disable the PC speaker ? |
| 10:15.57 | dli | godless, xset b off |
| 10:16.02 | mxn | directhex|work: xset -q tells me prefer blanking = yes, exposures = yes, timeout and cycle are 0. Something I need to change here? |
| 10:16.05 | directhex|work | dli, passwd -l username |
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| 10:16.33 | dli | directhex, it's something like "bin", daemon" in /etc/passwd |
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| 10:17.51 | godless | dli : isn't that only for X ? I'm looking for a way to remove the PC speaker alltogether, this pc doesn't correctly remove the beep on high load, the PC just keeps beeping |
| 10:17.53 | cheal | mikael_a: I'm back from a disconnection |
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| 10:18.07 | resiak | godless: Remove the appropriate wire from the mobo, but you don't want to do that :) |
| 10:18.14 | mikael_a | cheal: should i paste it again? |
| 10:18.32 | cheal | mikael_a: yes, I didn't get anything after (06:11:19) mikael_a: done |
| 10:18.49 | mikael_a | now? |
| 10:18.51 | cheal | thanks |
| 10:18.55 | mikael_a | np |
| 10:18.57 | godless | resaik : well I already tried that, wich helps the volume only problem is that the speaker is on the mobo, so hard to remove withouth soldering ircon :) |
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| 10:19.15 | dli | godless recompile your kernel, disable pcspr in input devices |
| 10:19.41 | evl | I've always wondered, say I install postgresql, it of course installs a horde of other packages, if I sometime want to remove postgresql, is there any way to remove postgresql and all libraries that are left orphaned by the removal? |
| 10:19.43 | dli | godless no need to handle the hardware, the kernel can disable it |
| 10:20.06 | dli | evl, try deborphan |
| 10:20.15 | Crasp | dli: since when is the pcspeaker an input device? :) |
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| 10:20.34 | dli | Crasp: thanks |
| 10:20.52 | evl | dli: wow, there actually IS a program for it, thanks a bunch |
| 10:20.56 | dli | Crasp: I couldn't figure it out, why it's input ? |
| 10:21.17 | cheal | mikael_a: what if you try to uninstall these 3 packages, libapache-mod-perl, apache and apache-common (for now)? |
| 10:21.22 | godless | DLI : fair enough, but not doable for my situation, other people need to touch this pc, update kernels etc, so straying from the debian repo isn't in the cards for me :( |
| 10:21.24 | dli | ev1: gentoo.org got a better --depclean |
| 10:22.09 | evl | dli: cool, i've never tried gentoo really |
| 10:22.10 | directhex|work | if you install using aptitude instead of apt-get, aptitude remove will remove all the orphans for you |
| 10:23.11 | mikael_a | cheal: done, and then install it again? |
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| 10:23.39 | cheal | mikael_a: yes, but you need to install the packages from dotdeb, not unstable |
| 10:23.59 | cheal | mikael_a: maybe you'd better start by commenting unstable in your sources.list |
| 10:24.02 | mikael_a | cheal: i have added the dotdeb and made an apt-get upate |
| 10:24.06 | jethro | how can I tell which patches made it into a debian package? Im particularly referring to mutt and the various existing patches for it. Shall I read changelog or something ? |
| 10:24.19 | mikael_a | unstable removed |
| 10:24.49 | cheal | mikael_a: apt-get update again and apt-get -s install apache apache-common libapache-mod-perl |
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| 10:25.45 | mikael_a | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:25.45 | mikael_a | libapache-mod-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.6.1 |
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| 10:26.18 | cheal | ur, are you sure you need mod_perl? |
| 10:27.02 | mikael_a | if the users should have an own cgi-bin i need right? |
| 10:27.10 | cheal | jethro: check the diff in the source package? |
| 10:27.11 | jm_ | jethro: changelog and sometimes README.Debian |
| 10:27.19 | mikael_a | have pasted more in flood for you |
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| 10:28.21 | jethro | cheal: I was looking for something more straightforward, README.Debian and changelog seem to be the only option :) |
| 10:29.21 | cheal | jethro: yeah, if it's carefully indicated, it will be more straightforward. some diffs are quite long |
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| 10:29.46 | dli | how to drop TCP SYN packets? |
| 10:29.49 | jethro | cheal: reading human generated text is far easier then reading diffs of C code, at least to me :) |
| 10:29.53 | jethro | dli: use a firewall |
| 10:30.00 | jethro | dli: a packaet filter even |
| 10:30.12 | cafuego | dli: iptables; cd /usr/share/doc/iptables/html; grep SYN * |
| 10:30.16 | dli | jethro: how to enable that? I'm using bastille firewall |
| 10:30.32 | jethro | dli: man iptables ; cd /usr/share/doc/iptables/ && read |
| 10:30.34 | qwertz_ | Hi! I'd like to grep for an e-mail address but - grep -ri "shop@foo-foo.de" * - fails, is the - used as regex (tried with \- but no success) or is there a problem with @? |
| 10:30.42 | jethro | dli: I have no clue for bastille since I don't use such things |
| 10:30.47 | cafuego | dli: Note that dropping SYN packets means you can't make connections. |
| 10:31.02 | cheal | !reading source |
| 10:31.02 | dpkg | [reading source] fun. |
| 10:31.04 | Crasp | who needs connections anyway |
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| 10:31.38 | dli | cafuego, oh, drop tcp SYN packets which has FIN set |
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| 10:31.47 | jethro | oh my |
| 10:31.56 | dli | cafuego: report from a nessus scan |
| 10:31.57 | cafuego | dli: Ah, block a SYN-FIN scan. |
| 10:31.57 | jm_ | qwertz_: neither are really a problem |
| 10:32.09 | cafuego | dli: Google is your friend :-) |
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| 10:32.31 | cheal | mikael_a: it seems that you've broken a few packages by uninstalling apache |
| 10:32.51 | mikael_a | jup |
| 10:33.02 | cheal | mikael_a: for cgi-bin, I don't know what you want exacly |
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| 10:33.26 | mikael_a | i have to reinstall php5 right? |
| 10:33.28 | dli | cafuego: it's a compromised box, but now, nessus only found this warning |
| 10:33.37 | cafuego | dli: http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=140350&page=6 |
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| 10:33.53 | jethro | dli: if it's been rooted yuou have better things to worry about than blocking SF packets |
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| 10:34.05 | cheal | mikael_a: not necessarily |
| 10:34.29 | mikael_a | cheal working: http://www.pamiro.se |
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| 10:35.24 | mikael_a | cheal: so if i now need gd2 library for php i can just install it from dot.deb |
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| 10:35.34 | cheal | php 5.0.5? you're definitely bleeding edge. I guess you have good reasons to need php5? |
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| 10:35.42 | _linuxAS_ | hello |
| 10:35.59 | cheal | mikael_a: probably. so you've fixed your problems? |
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| 10:36.25 | mikael_a | not the mod_perl |
| 10:36.34 | qwertz_ | jm_, see (tested with a short file), so there must be another error on my side but thanks for help! |
| 10:36.50 | cafuego | How about you try using debian software |
| 10:36.52 | dli | jethro, show me a line of iptables to do that? |
| 10:36.54 | cafuego | magically works |
| 10:37.02 | jethro | dli: just fucking read the manual! |
| 10:37.22 | cafuego | dli: I just pasted you a url. Did you not even bother looking at it? |
| 10:37.46 | dli | cafuego, yeah, I saved it, it shows lines of blocking the SYN,FIN |
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| 10:38.27 | dli | cafuego, I need to combine them into the bastille firewall |
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| 10:38.35 | cafuego | dli: Read the manual. Whee! |
| 10:38.51 | jethro | omfg |
| 10:38.54 | jm_ | qwertz_: - is only a problem if your pattern starts with it, like grep "-foo" |
| 10:39.22 | jethro | !lart dli |
| 10:39.23 | dli | cafuego, yeah, I feel pretty safe now, because nessus only find this warning, and chkrootkit is running everyday |
| 10:39.24 | cafuego | grep -- -foo |
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| 10:39.33 | sydneyfong | !dpkg |
| 10:39.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 10:39.50 | cheal | mikael_a: what version of perl-base do you have? |
| 10:39.55 | dli | how to ignore a user here? |
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| 10:40.35 | streuner | cafuego: help, don't talk crap! |
| 10:40.35 | mikael_a | how do u figure that out? 5 i belive... |
| 10:40.36 | cafuego | just like *that* |
| 10:40.37 | jethro | dli: you can't just rely on nessus and chkrootkit .. |
| 10:40.49 | cafuego | streuner: You triggered the gentoo autoignore |
| 10:40.54 | qwertz_ | jm_, found the problem mail address was in the db not source code |
| 10:41.15 | streuner | cafuego: i wanna use that in debian NOT in gentoo :-) |
| 10:41.18 | cheal | mikael_a: the exact version. apt-cache show perl-base |
| 10:41.59 | streuner | cafuego: in gentoo it might work better, i wouldn't ask you for help then? ;-) |
| 10:42.11 | mikael_a | 5.6.1-8.7 |
| 10:42.52 | cheal | mikael_a: then I don't know why libapache-mod-perl fails to install with that error |
| 10:43.09 | cafuego | streuner: Seriously though, I've never used torsmo |
| 10:43.15 | mikael_a | can i force to remove it? |
| 10:43.23 | mikael_a | and then reinstall |
| 10:43.36 | streuner | cafuego: You don't need to, you need to know Perl, that's all. |
| 10:44.24 | cheal | mikael_a: why not |
| 10:44.29 | cafuego | streuner: I know perl! I can do search&replace in perl ;-) |
| 10:44.41 | cheal | mikael_a: I thought it was already removed |
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| 10:46.02 | mikael_a | Package libapache-mod-perl is not installed, so not removed |
| 10:46.20 | cheal | mikael_a: so try to install it |
| 10:46.25 | cafuego | streuner: Now php I can help you with... |
| 10:46.30 | mikael_a | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:46.30 | mikael_a | libapache-mod-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.6.1 |
| 10:46.39 | streuner | cafuego: Requires XMMS::InfoPipe module and xmms-infopipe plugin |
| 10:46.43 | cheal | mikael_a: I don't know why libapache-mod-perl fails to install with that error |
| 10:46.52 | cafuego | streuner: And you don't have those? |
| 10:46.55 | mikael_a | i will skip it then |
| 10:47.04 | streuner | cafuego: i have xmms-infopipe |
| 10:47.20 | streuner | cafuego: but it seems InfoPipe module is not in debian... |
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| 10:47.25 | mikael_a | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:47.26 | mikael_a | php5-gd: Depends: phpapi-20031224 |
| 10:47.26 | mikael_a | E: Sorry, broken packages |
| 10:47.39 | mikael_a | when i tried to install php5-gd |
| 10:47.53 | cafuego | streuner: Install dh-make-perl and use it to garb it from CPAN and build a .deb |
| 10:48.01 | mikael_a | almost the same error |
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| 10:48.43 | resiak | mikael_a: Where did you get PHP5 from? |
| 10:48.58 | mikael_a | php.net |
| 10:49.05 | mikael_a | i compiled it... |
| 10:49.22 | cheal | mikael_a: I thought you said you got it from dotdeb |
| 10:49.40 | cheal | mikael_a: you checked out PHP5's CVS and compiled it for woody? |
| 10:49.40 | resiak | mikael_a: ... |
| 10:49.57 | dli | cafuego, I now have those dropped with, tcp flags:!SYN,RST,ACK/SYN state NEW |
| 10:50.02 | dli | cafuego, thanks |
| 10:50.10 | mikael_a | not the cvs, the stable version... |
| 10:50.13 | cheal | mikael_a: use dpkg --configure -a to see if that won't fix something anyway |
| 10:50.42 | cheal | mikael_a: I'm not aware that PHP 5.0.5 is released |
| 10:50.45 | cafuego | Why can't you use the php4 in woody? |
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| 10:51.15 | mikael_a | since i'm developing stuff that need php5 |
| 10:51.18 | SiliconViper | You know what offends me? Web interfaces to disk partitioning. |
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| 10:51.47 | cheal | mikael_a: do you have a server or a development machine? |
| 10:51.48 | mikael_a | http://snaps.php.net/ there do u found 5.05 |
| 10:51.54 | kicknick | hello all |
| 10:51.55 | cafuego | Why don't you just run sarge then or maybe do your own backport of a php5 source deb> |
| 10:52.11 | kicknick | what is the best gui for debian sarge? |
| 10:52.17 | cafuego | kicknick: No. |
| 10:52.21 | SiliconViper | ... flamebait. |
| 10:52.44 | cheal | mikael_a: that's not even a stable release |
| 10:52.47 | mikael_a | i'm running a server with php5 and mysql4.1 on woody |
| 10:53.06 | cafuego | mikael_a: There are php5 debs for sarge. Same goes for mysql 4. Make your life easy. |
| 10:53.19 | cafuego | Coz you're obviously not interested in stability. |
| 10:53.28 | SiliconViper | ... or you could download the source, and make a deb. |
| 10:53.33 | mikael_a | but then it will remove php4 |
| 10:53.38 | SiliconViper | checkinstall is a wonderfull apps. |
| 10:53.43 | cheal | mikael_a: but is this a production server or just for development? |
| 10:53.51 | SiliconViper | .... wait, you want php4 AND 5? |
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| 10:54.01 | cafuego | mikael_a: Do you have multiple apache versions? |
| 10:54.02 | mikael_a | jup i have that now... |
| 10:54.13 | cafuego | mikael_a: That's dead easy with a chroot. |
| 10:54.43 | mikael_a | i can easy switch to php4 if i need to... |
| 10:54.52 | cheal | mikael_a: I don't think you'd be playing on a production server like that anyway |
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| 10:55.16 | cafuego | deb-src http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 sid |
| 10:55.21 | cafuego | That has php5 source debs |
| 10:55.35 | cafuego | Easily built on woody (with a bit of tweaking for depends) |
| 10:55.41 | mikael_a | no, but shoulden't a server run on php5 and mysql4.1 even if it is a production server? |
| 10:55.53 | cafuego | mikael_a: No, they really shouldn't. |
| 10:56.26 | mikael_a | why? unstable? |
| 10:56.28 | cheal | mikael_a: there's no type of server that needs to run those |
| 10:56.30 | SiliconViper | Production servers generally require stability, and assurance of reliability. |
| 10:56.59 | cafuego | mikael_a: And assurance of reliability is not somehting software less than a year old has. |
| 10:57.05 | mikael_a | sure, but can't you get that on running php5 and mysql4.1? since the stable versions are out? |
| 10:57.07 | cafuego | (ever) |
| 10:57.23 | cafuego | mikael_a: Both are *new* |
| 10:57.43 | cafuego | mikael_a: *new* and *stable* don't mix |
| 10:57.45 | SiliconViper | mikael_a, what the people who write software call 'stable' and what the people who use it call 'stable' are often vastly different. |
| 10:57.52 | cheal | mikael_a: get mysql 4.1 if you want on sarge |
| 10:58.05 | mikael_a | yes they are, but when can i switch? |
| 10:58.07 | cheal | mikael_a: but don't compile PHP5 snapshots on woody |
| 10:58.15 | kicknick | can anyone suggest a good user interface for debian |
| 10:58.24 | Guerin | kicknick: ratpoison |
| 10:58.25 | SlayerXP | kicknick: bash works well for me |
| 10:58.25 | SiliconViper | Though I must say, I'm a bit of a hypocrite... I use gcc-4 half the time. |
| 10:58.28 | directhex|work | kicknick, bash |
| 10:58.33 | Guerin | wow |
| 10:58.34 | kicknick | ok thank you |
| 10:58.49 | Guerin | who thought that suggesting ratpoison, I'd be the extravagant one |
| 10:58.50 | kicknick | hi guerin thank you for your advice yesterday it worked great :) |
| 10:59.05 | Guerin | kicknick: did I tell you to rtfm? |
| 10:59.06 | SiliconViper | kicknick, you're treading on flamebait, that's why most won't answer... I'd suggest enlightenment, but that's just me. |
| 10:59.11 | directhex|work | Guerin, you're all about the bloated desktop experience |
| 10:59.17 | Guerin | i know it |
| 10:59.34 | streuner | cafuego: what did you smoke today? |
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| 10:59.36 | asg | !binge-and-purge Guerin |
| 10:59.37 | directhex|work | perhaps "screen" as an extravagence on top of bash... |
| 10:59.49 | kicknick | why what did i do SiliconViper |
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| 11:00.08 | mikael_a | so you r suggestion is to remove php5 and mysql? |
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| 11:00.22 | Guerin | asg: *belch* |
| 11:00.30 | SiliconViper | kicknick, oh, nothing wrong. Innocent question. It's just that asking for opinions on window managers is like asking which is better, emacs or vim. |
| 11:00.45 | kicknick | ahh thats true i guess |
| 11:00.47 | directhex|work | SiliconViper, microsoft edit.com |
| 11:01.08 | SiliconViper | directhex|work, ... ed. |
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| 11:01.22 | asg | Guerin: ;) |
| 11:01.23 | streuner | You are a fucking moron, do you think i am asking for help for gentoo problems, how long do we know us? |
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| 11:01.43 | treestone | kicknick: The actual answer is "try what you want, stick with what you like" |
| 11:02.04 | SiliconViper | directhex|work, cat, echo, sed, grep... maybe some awk too. Best text editing ever. |
| 11:02.21 | SiliconViper | treestone, very true. |
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| 11:03.39 | nagual | edlin? |
| 11:03.45 | Guerin | emacs |
| 11:03.45 | asg | !be ed |
| 11:03.46 | dpkg | ? |
| 11:03.50 | Guerin | come on |
| 11:03.54 | SiliconViper | ed > edlin |
| 11:04.20 | nagual | i beg the differ sir! |
| 11:04.23 | SiliconViper | You know what I love about emacs? |
| 11:04.30 | SiliconViper | It can kick my ass at chess. |
| 11:04.31 | nagual | that its HUGE? |
| 11:04.33 | Guerin | SiliconViper: i'm sure I can't guess |
| 11:04.36 | Guerin | hah |
| 11:04.45 | SiliconViper | How many text editors can do that? |
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| 11:04.54 | directhex|work | emacs is a good os, missing a competent text editor |
| 11:04.58 | asg | SiliconViper: the question is, how many text editor *should* do that |
| 11:05.00 | SiliconViper | >_< |
| 11:05.03 | Guerin | directhex|work: bah, it's only missing a kernel |
| 11:05.10 | SiliconViper | Totally. |
| 11:05.10 | Guerin | it has dozens of editors |
| 11:05.13 | directhex|work | Guerin, L4! |
| 11:05.14 | Guerin | including vi |
| 11:05.17 | SiliconViper | >_< |
| 11:05.20 | SiliconViper | Yes... |
| 11:05.25 | SiliconViper | Totally forgot about that... |
| 11:05.36 | Guerin | which, in fairness, is NOT a good editor |
| 11:05.50 | SiliconViper | That said, I'm a fan of nano, personally. |
| 11:06.00 | Zta | Is it possible to umount something (a loop fs) that is currently in use. I mean really unmount it and pull the carpet away under shells, apps, etc? umount -f does not do this. |
| 11:06.15 | Guerin | Zta: umount -l ? |
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| 11:06.49 | Zta | Guerin, the man pages says "...as soon as it is not busy anymore". |
| 11:06.55 | Zta | -l = lazy. |
| 11:07.00 | Zta | I want --snappy |
| 11:07.05 | Guerin | Zta: heh |
| 11:07.33 | treestone | Zta: A combination of 'lsof' and 'kill' before umount should do it.. |
| 11:07.43 | Zta | Treebeard, yes.. |
| 11:07.48 | treestone | er, stone |
| 11:07.58 | Zta | stone of course =) |
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| 11:08.26 | sml | "The NVIDIA kernel module is 1.0.7167, but this X module is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same version". How do I fix this ? |
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| 11:08.45 | directhex|work | sml, "m-a a-i nvidia" |
| 11:08.45 | kicknick | can someone tell me what exactly bash is cos it looks like its the normal dos prompt sort of ui |
| 11:09.00 | sml | directhex|work: what does that mean ? lol sorry |
| 11:09.02 | directhex|work | kicknick, it is. |
| 11:09.19 | kicknick | ok are there any graphical versions available |
| 11:09.22 | directhex|work | sml, it means type "m-a a-i nvidia"? jesus, why can't people just do as they're fucking told |
| 11:09.24 | kicknick | i am already using bash |
| 11:09.26 | directhex|work | kicknick, hundreds. |
| 11:09.35 | sml | directhex|work: command not found. |
| 11:09.39 | kicknick | can u suggest a good one |
| 11:09.43 | gary | Is there no programs available for linux that can play wmv's. Mplayer does but it never plays properly and it just corrupts everytime |
| 11:09.45 | sml | directhex|work: m-a = module assistant ? |
| 11:09.49 | directhex|work | sml, how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 11:09.49 | sml | directhex|work: i dont have that installed. |
| 11:09.53 | sml | directhex|work: yes |
| 11:10.02 | gary | Is there no programs available for linux that can play wmv's. Mplayer does but it never plays properly and it just corrupts everytime |
| 11:10.12 | directhex|work | HOW IS "YES" AN ANSWER TO A "HOW" QUESTION? ARGH |
| 11:10.13 | Guerin | gary: get w32codecs |
| 11:10.16 | petemc | gary: works fine here |
| 11:10.25 | Guerin | !tell gary about marillat |
| 11:10.29 | sydneyfong | kicknick, if you want a good desktop environment, try GNOME or KDE |
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| 11:10.37 | kicknick | ty sydneyfong |
| 11:10.43 | directhex|work | kicknick, "apt-get install x-window-system gdm" |
| 11:10.56 | directhex|work | kicknick, then you could apt-get install xfce4 or gnome or kde, or all of them. whatever, really |
| 11:11.03 | Guerin | actually, if you want a good one, DON'T select gnome or kde |
| 11:11.04 | treestone | kicknick: There is no graphical equivalent of a command shell, in the command shell you can execute any command with all possible combinations, whereas a graphical utility can do something limited (like image app, filemanager, browser, irc client) |
| 11:11.07 | sml | directhex|work: this "m-a" what is it? |
| 11:11.20 | directhex|work | sml, a symlink to module assistant. |
| 11:11.27 | kicknick | ok that is fine |
| 11:11.38 | sydneyfong | Guerin: ;-p |
| 11:11.42 | kicknick | but i was told amsn has a graphical interface how wud i be able to use it? |
| 11:11.43 | directhex|work | sml, you asked how to fix your problem. if you had installed nvidia-glx in a sensible way, it'd be fixed by now by doing as i say. |
| 11:12.12 | directhex|work | kicknick, install xfree86 (as i already told you), get into a graphical environment, install & run amsn. though gaim or kopete are better |
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| 11:13.51 | kicknick | ok sorry if i sound ignorant i will do as u suggested |
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| 11:15.06 | PitchForkLin | hi all, getting error after sarge install with LVM couldn't find all physical volumes for volgrp00 |
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| 11:15.09 | DenisG | hello again. |
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| 11:15.41 | PitchForkLin | slayer what should I do here |
| 11:15.45 | DenisG | i get “could not open default font 'fixed'â€. |
| 11:15.52 | DenisG | when starting X11 |
| 11:16.05 | DenisG | what must i install now? |
| 11:16.18 | streuner | DenisG: /msg dpkg fixed font |
| 11:16.25 | sydneyfong | xfonts-base |
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| 11:16.45 | DenisG | ah, well, thanks. |
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| 11:17.17 | sml | directhex|work: i followd the nvidia one liner |
| 11:17.22 | PitchForkLin | anyone have any ideas on this physical volume error |
| 11:17.31 | directhex|work | sml, no, you didn't, you said you didn't have module assistant installed. |
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| 11:17.52 | directhex|work | sml, the one liner uses m-a. i should know. |
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| 11:18.25 | gary | Can anyone recommend any good programs that are able to play wmv's. I have mplayer and it does play them but they are just appear corrupt and i can't seem to view them at all really. |
| 11:18.34 | sml | directhex|work: its working now thanks for your help. |
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| 11:18.41 | gary | I'm re-asking as screen crashed earlier... |
| 11:18.57 | sml | directhex|work: i forgot to install module-assistant |
| 11:18.58 | sml | doh! |
| 11:19.03 | directhex|work | gary, you were told to install the w32codecs package from the "marillat" repository |
| 11:19.11 | directhex|work | !tell gary about marillat |
| 11:19.43 | gary | ah thanks |
| 11:19.51 | gary | Sorry, again - screen crashed last time - thanks |
| 11:20.08 | gary | I did have it running for 34 days |
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| 11:20.16 | sml | directhex|work: that marillat repos is cool. I used it for mplayer. |
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| 11:20.28 | x7x | I have a mirror of Debian Sarge with 19GB and I wich to backup de entire file tree to DVDs via command line. What is the best solution? |
| 11:21.12 | Mash | hello |
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| 11:21.50 | streuner | x7x: how many clients do you have? |
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| 11:22.51 | x7x | streuner, de mirror is for perosnal use in the local network |
| 11:23.14 | streuner | x7x: wtf you wanna backup data for sarge? |
| 11:23.40 | resiak | gary: I suspect that when you say "screen crashed" you mean "I pressed Ctrl-S which suspended stuff in the terminal, and didn't know to press Ctrl-Q to fix0rize it", which is something I only recently realised. |
| 11:23.44 | streuner | x7x: why not just download them from the mirrors? |
| 11:23.57 | tuxyAtitude | which software should i use to record video from webcam ? |
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| 11:24.53 | x7x | streuner, I do that every 24H. But I want to put it on CDs (eh eh ). |
| 11:25.12 | streuner | x7x: that's senseless, excuse me. |
| 11:25.15 | DenisG | :o @resiak |
| 11:26.40 | antony | i've got a twiki problem. i accidentally removed the package and upon reinstall, links don't work. if the base is at http://bob/twiki, then clicking on the Main (or any) twiki link goes to http://bob/Main/WebHome. |
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| 11:26.54 | antony | i'm sure that there should be something between bob and Main. any ideas? |
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| 11:28.16 | tuxyAtitude | wich software to test a webcam please ? |
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| 11:28.26 | Guerin | tuxyAtitude: gnomemeeting |
| 11:28.29 | cheal | antony: try asking #twiki if there's an absolute URL to set somewhere |
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| 11:28.38 | Guerin | IF your webcam is supported by linux, which it probably isn't |
| 11:28.56 | petemc | xawtv is handy |
| 11:29.09 | tuxyAtitude | Guerin, it's a logitech quickcam express. I'd like to record small film with it . Possible ? |
| 11:29.16 | tuxyAtitude | petemc, for recording movies ? |
| 11:29.25 | petemc | tuxyAtitude: it can do that |
| 11:29.42 | Guerin | tuxyAtitude: yeah, that's one of the few which does work |
| 11:29.51 | Guerin | you may need to patch and build a kenrel, though |
| 11:30.02 | petemc | tuxyAtitude: read up on v4l , have a look at /proc/bus/usb/devices to see the chipset of your camera |
| 11:30.21 | antony | cheal: thanks. this server is better than rest of irc put together. |
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| 11:31.42 | Coytecm | Hi. |
| 11:31.43 | illustir | logitech qc should work fine |
| 11:31.48 | renegad3 | hi guys |
| 11:31.50 | tuxyAtitude | petemc, Guerin ok, thanks. I'll try xawtv. Any other software i could also try ? |
| 11:32.50 | renegad3 | what are some good admin tools to check system logs in console? |
| 11:33.05 | Guerin | renegad3: grep is pretty cool |
| 11:33.06 | renegad3 | im using tail -f /var/log/foo |
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| 11:33.33 | Coytecm | hey, anybody? Can I succesfully clone debian from harddrive to another? in same machine and the other harddrive is same size |
| 11:33.38 | Coytecm | ? |
| 11:33.47 | Coytecm | Sorry about my bad english :D |
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| 11:33.56 | pixil9 | How would I go out taking a screenshot of my desktop? |
| 11:34.02 | resiak | pixil9: apt-cache show scrot |
| 11:34.09 | resiak | pixil9: There are others. Scrot > * though. |
| 11:34.28 | streuner | !tell pixil9 about ss |
| 11:34.29 | Guerin | Coytecm: man dd |
| 11:34.31 | renegad3 | Guerin: is there something similar to ethereal, but for console? |
| 11:34.40 | _yam | accidentally overwrite hard disk partition, but since its busy it wont take effect till next reboot... how can I restore that partition table? the one the kernel is using righht now |
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| 11:34.54 | sydneyfong | Coytecm, a simple dd *should* work, but then i'd use something like tar or at least cp -a |
| 11:34.55 | petemc | renegad3: you can pipe logs through ccze to make them easier to read |
| 11:34.57 | Coytecm | Guerin: I ment that if I clone it with norton ghost? |
| 11:35.11 | renegad3 | ahh ok, thanks petemc |
| 11:35.52 | pixil9 | resiak: thanks |
| 11:35.56 | resiak | pixil9: No problem. |
| 11:36.02 | pixil9 | i like scrot. works good :P |
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| 11:37.12 | Guerin | Coytecm: i don't know about norton ghost, but as I recall, it just takes an image, so I guess it might work |
| 11:37.13 | _yam | is it posible to restore the active partition? |
| 11:37.15 | Guerin | !guess |
| 11:37.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 11:37.26 | Coytecm | well how I forgotten dd... |
| 11:37.29 | Coytecm | :D |
| 11:37.34 | resiak | _yam: Google -- I've seen articles on how to do it. |
| 11:38.11 | Coytecm | Guerin: Yes, I try it at home..now i'm in some fucking windows machine...poor! :D |
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| 11:40.51 | Guerin | ee, how do I get rid of a line using echo? |
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| 11:40.59 | Guerin | it's a long story |
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| 11:44.31 | resiak | Guerin: You mean, you've appended a line to a file using echo and now cannot unappend it? |
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| 11:44.31 | Guerin | well, i need to replace the last line of a file with a line of my own devising |
| 11:44.31 | resiak | Guerin: man head |
| 11:44.31 | jm_ | sed |
| 11:44.31 | Guerin | as it happens, I have head and cat as well |
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| 11:44.31 | Guerin | so it's peasy now |
| 11:44.32 | nornagon | hrm |
| 11:44.32 | resiak | Guerin: head --lines=-1 file removes the lastline. |
| 11:44.32 | lgd_ | can i ask one domand of java? |
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| 11:44.32 | resiak | lgd_: /msg dpkg java |
| 11:44.32 | Guerin | yeah, I'm in a d-i rescue console, I wasn't sure what I had |
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| 11:44.32 | nornagon | I'm getting odd errors trying to make and install ndiswrapper after I updated my kernel from 2.6.7 to 2.6.8. |
| 11:44.33 | Guerin | but i even have sed |
| 11:44.35 | Guerin | what luxury! |
| 11:44.43 | Guerin | no awk though :( |
| 11:44.43 | lgd_ | resiak: is not for debian pkg but for java language |
| 11:44.48 | resiak | lgd_: #java ? |
| 11:44.54 | DenisG | do you have ping…………? |
| 11:44.54 | jm_ | you can use sed with -i to edit it in place |
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| 11:45.09 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 11:45.16 | Guerin | i just found head first |
| 11:45.30 | resiak | DenisG: Where did you get your ellipsis characters from? |
| 11:45.32 | lgd_ | i don't join in this channel |
| 11:45.41 | nornagon | like [from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/] "Makefile:418: .config: No such file or directory" |
| 11:45.42 | jm_ | head is for printing first few lines of the fail, surely you meant tail? |
| 11:45.44 | DutchFish | Is it possible to run dmon as a deamon in testing? (could not find any info on that) |
| 11:45.46 | resiak | lgd_: I'm sorry? |
| 11:45.49 | jm_ | fail=file |
| 11:45.50 | SiliconViper | Someone just told me that 'Debian is dead'. |
| 11:45.56 | resiak | jm_: It's for printing all bar 1 line of a file, too. |
| 11:45.56 | nornagon | and then: |
| 11:46.05 | lgd_ | no problem resiak |
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| 11:46.26 | nornagon | "include/linux/config.h:4:28: linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory" |
| 11:46.26 | Guerin | SiliconViper: they just failed their EMT exam |
| 11:47.17 | SiliconViper | Guerin, yeah... it's silly. |
| 11:47.42 | nornagon | ohhm. |
| 11:48.04 | SiliconViper | 'OMG, Sarge hasn't been released in three years, DEBIAN IS DEAD!'!!!!!111 |
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| 11:48.25 | resiak | SiliconViper: I think you're browsing /. |
| 11:48.30 | pacmac | try gentoo |
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| 11:48.41 | SiliconViper | pacmac, what? |
| 11:48.46 | pacmac | www.gentoo.org |
| 11:48.54 | SiliconViper | ... what are you talking about? |
| 11:49.04 | pacmac | another good linux distro |
| 11:49.14 | drac | pacmac: are you smoking crack? |
| 11:49.20 | pacmac | lol |
| 11:49.27 | SiliconViper | ... wow, because I care so much. I'm in #debian, you think I care about gentoo? |
| 11:49.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:49.37 | DenisG | hrhr. |
| 11:49.37 | pacmac | drac: I was using Debian Sid around 2 or 3 years, then i passed my servers to gentoo |
| 11:49.40 | SiliconViper | That's why I'm in #gentoo as well. |
| 11:49.50 | drac | pacmac: I feel for you, like.. sorrow.. |
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| 11:49.55 | DenisG | </ignorable comment> |
| 11:49.57 | pacmac | SiliconViper: i have debian and gentoo boxes |
| 11:50.00 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 11:50.13 | DutchFish | hi |
| 11:50.15 | SiliconViper | pacmac, yep. If you want to talk about gentoo, do it in #gentoo |
| 11:50.32 | pacmac | lol |
| 11:50.35 | SiliconViper | resiak, nah, not slashdot, just a silly person. |
| 11:50.37 | pacmac | SiliconViper: i'm talking about linux |
| 11:50.45 | Guerin | nope |
| 11:50.47 | SiliconViper | pacmac, really, where's the kernel talk? |
| 11:50.51 | SiliconViper | Oh! |
| 11:50.51 | pacmac | i don't want to start a war about which distro is better |
| 11:50.52 | Guerin | linux is a kenrnel |
| 11:50.55 | SiliconViper | Speaking of kernels... |
| 11:51.00 | resiak | !start a distro war |
| 11:51.00 | dpkg | SuSE rocks! |
| 11:51.01 | Guerin | !start a distro war |
| 11:51.03 | freewoody | How do I the message at the console prompt in Debian ? |
| 11:51.07 | Guerin | dman you to hell, |
| 11:51.08 | SiliconViper | Anyone tried that genetica anticipatory scheduler patch? |
| 11:51.20 | drac | freewoody: wall. |
| 11:51.25 | pacmac | Guerin: yeh, i know, and gnu the applications |
| 11:51.29 | antony | when i plug in a usb receipt printer, i get USB device 3 (vend/prod 0x4ce/0x4ce) is not claimed by any active driver. how can i tell the usb subsystem to use the usblp module for this vendor id? |
| 11:51.29 | DenisG | Flamewar! Flamewar! /me laughs like a child. |
| 11:51.34 | freewoody | How do I edit or change the Message at the console prompt in Debian? |
| 11:51.35 | Guerin | !rmssmite pacmac |
| 11:51.38 | freewoody | wall ? |
| 11:52.04 | drac | freewoody: message | wall |
| 11:52.06 | DutchFish | but.. does all you gurus know how to run DMON as a deamon in testing? |
| 11:52.06 | SiliconViper | Wow..... prawned. |
| 11:52.07 | pacmac | Guerin :? |
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| 11:52.20 | drac | echo message | wall |
| 11:52.20 | resiak | freewoody: edit /etc/motd |
| 11:52.23 | freewoody | I mean to give a customized permament prompt ? |
| 11:52.24 | treestone | freewoody: /etc/issue /etc/motd |
| 11:52.28 | Guerin | pacmac: it's a joke, laugh. |
| 11:52.29 | freewoody | Same as in FreeBSD |
| 11:52.33 | freewoody | :D |
| 11:53.23 | pacmac | freewoody: don't talk about another unix or linux or you'll die |
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| 11:53.24 | treestone | freewoody: Same as in UNIX actually |
| 11:53.24 | Steven_ | MacOS X |
| 11:53.24 | Guerin | did you die? |
| 11:53.24 | Guerin | pacmac: ^^^ |
| 11:53.24 | Steven_ | no |
| 11:53.24 | Guerin | no |
| 11:53.24 | Guerin | you were just scorched a little |
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| 11:53.31 | Guerin | like a moderate case of sunburn |
| 11:53.43 | freewoody | How do I prevent it from being overwritten every time my system boots ? |
| 11:53.55 | SiliconViper | freewoody, it shouldn't. |
| 11:54.06 | Steven_ | chattr +i |
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| 11:54.24 | Guerin | eep |
| 11:54.27 | Guerin | Steven_: badness |
| 11:54.35 | Guerin | i mean |
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| 11:54.37 | Guerin | it'll work |
| 11:54.44 | Guerin | but BAD BAD BAD |
| 11:54.48 | Steven_ | bah |
| 11:54.50 | Steven_ | details |
| 11:54.54 | treestone | freewoody: Check out the variable 'EDITMOTD' in /etc/init.d/bootmisch.sc |
| 11:55.16 | treestone | .sh I mean |
| 11:55.22 | little | hi, i want to kill a process with a little script, but "kill -2 'pidof pppd'" wont work? how must i write it correct? |
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| 11:55.24 | freewoody | Ok |
| 11:55.36 | pixil9 | How can I edit whats in my startup for services etc? |
| 11:55.42 | treestone | little: It exists already: 'killall pppd' |
| 11:55.45 | Guerin | "lol wtf i cant chnge teh login msg but the othr guy could wtf shld i do plz help me out guyz" |
| 11:55.47 | SiliconViper | Seriously, though. Has anyone else played with Jake Moilanen's kernel patches? The ones for scheduling with a genetic anticipatory algorithm? |
| 11:55.55 | pixil9 | and does anyone know where i can find the fbpanel config heh |
| 11:55.55 | little | treestone :ok ,thanks alot |
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| 11:56.28 | treestone | little: But don't try 'killall' if you're on an AIX box.. |
| 11:56.30 | freewoody | what should I look for in the /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh ? |
| 11:56.41 | Guerin | pixil9: your choice of rcconf, update-rc.d, sysvconfig and sysv-rc-conf |
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| 11:57.06 | chrysopa | Hi, anybody can help with a mysql corrupt table? |
| 11:57.09 | treestone | freewoody: In my version there's an EDITMOTD=yes somewhere near the top. If not, just look through it and see if it mangles motd |
| 11:57.13 | pixil9 | Guerin: What's the easiest and where is it? heh |
| 11:57.14 | yang | Do sarge floppy install disks exist? I was only able to find woody from 2002 ? |
| 11:57.25 | directhex|work | !d-i yang |
| 11:57.26 | dpkg | yang, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:57.46 | Guerin | they all live at packages.d.o, and the easiest is the one you like the most, which won't be update-rc.d |
| 11:57.52 | chrysopa | I have this message: warning : Table is marked as crashed, warning : 66 clients are using or haven't closed the table properly, error : Found wrong record at 2086136,error : Corrupt |
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| 11:58.06 | chrysopa | Is possible to fix this? |
| 11:58.13 | Guerin | !possible |
| 11:58.14 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 11:58.15 | karsten | Is there a way to set GNOME detachable menus to have titlebars by default? |
| 11:58.21 | pixil9 | Huerin: well where can i find rcconf? |
| 11:58.27 | Guerin | chrysopa: start by giving us some context |
| 11:58.46 | Guerin | fixil9: apt-cache search, sunshinc |
| 11:58.50 | Guerin | s/c/e |
| 11:58.50 | pixil9 | Guerin i mean |
| 11:59.06 | karsten | Guerin: OT: what's the IP of your outbound mailserver? |
| 11:59.07 | lgd_ | buy all |
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| 11:59.25 | Guerin | karsten: eh, whatever feayn.org resolves to these days |
| 11:59.31 | Guerin | 206.something I think |
| 11:59.34 | chrysopa | When I start MySQL it send this message to me. |
| 11:59.44 | pixil9 | sunshine lol |
| 11:59.47 | chrysopa | What context do you mean? |
| 11:59.59 | greister | Where to find raidtools? |
| 12:00.04 | yang | directhex|work: there are 4 images - boot.img, cd-drivers.img, net-drivers.img, root.img .... |
| 12:00.06 | Guerin | chrysopa: what happened to corrupt it? |
| 12:00.09 | Guerin | etc |
| 12:00.10 | greister | raidtools2 |
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| 12:00.16 | directhex|work | yang, yes. you have 4 floppies, right? |
| 12:00.20 | Guerin | chrysopa: also might be worth talking to #mysql |
| 12:00.24 | yang | directhex|work: no rescue disk and drivers... |
| 12:00.26 | directhex|work | greister, raidtools is obsolete, use mdadm |
| 12:00.37 | karsten | Guerin: Um. That's not AS4677. Thought you were Kornet. |
| 12:00.39 | chrysopa | I dont know, energy break is the hypotesis. |
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| 12:00.54 | freewoody | So I just have to edit /etc/motd and that's it |
| 12:00.56 | directhex|work | yang, sarge doesn't use the same installer as woody, it doesn't behave the same, and the disks don't have the same labels |
| 12:00.58 | Guerin | karsten: i was, but I have a server in texas |
| 12:01.07 | chrysopa | I try |
| 12:01.08 | yang | directhex|work: i see, ok |
| 12:01.10 | Guerin | karsten: I'm on a different ISP now, dacom - still korea |
| 12:01.21 | karsten | Guerin: Remember the Alamo! |
| 12:01.29 | karsten | Guerin: Yes, I know them well. |
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| 12:01.33 | Guerin | karsten: being as I like to have my mail accepted by people, I route it all through texas |
| 12:01.38 | karsten | Guerin: 30496 | 206.123.107.15 | COLO4 - Colo4Dallas LP |
| 12:01.40 | Guerin | karsten: just as good huh? |
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| 12:01.47 | karsten | Guerin: whois -h whois.cymru.com <ip> |
| 12:01.54 | karsten | Guerin: Golden. |
| 12:02.14 | Guerin | karsten: 100 megabit full-dup ethernet for under US$30/month |
| 12:02.19 | karsten | Guerin: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/monthly-cidr-report.txt |
| 12:02.27 | Guerin | karsten: don't get much better than that for Mr Spammer |
| 12:02.33 | karsten | Guerin: ...it's a breakout by CIDR rather than ASN. Finer detail. |
| 12:02.44 | karsten | Guerin: Thank Mr. Ralsky for his subsidy. |
| 12:02.56 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 12:03.17 | Guerin | karsten: actually, I'd have chosen somethign else, something good, but I can't sign up for it on my own |
| 12:03.33 | karsten | Guerin: Huh? Why not? |
| 12:03.38 | Guerin | karsten: I need a korean to help me, and they're all clueless, so they just pick one at random and that's what I get |
| 12:03.45 | Guerin | karsten: I don't speak korean. |
| 12:04.13 | Guerin | and I effectively can't sign up for anything more complex than a prepay cellphone contract without someone cosigning |
| 12:04.24 | Guerin | such is the life of the Legal Alien |
| 12:04.26 | liable | bah, can anyone tell me how to stop this coming up in irssi on the console [#debian] mABORTED IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=64.4.53.253 DST=203.220.189.15 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=115 ID=6666 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=4703 SEQ=2602699966 ACK=3931298428 WI |
| 12:04.36 | Guerin | !tell liable about klogd |
| 12:04.56 | liable | Guerin: done the -R magic, still happens |
| 12:05.15 | karsten | Guerin: uhn. Or however it's romanized. |
| 12:05.16 | Guerin | liable: did you do what the factoid says? |
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| 12:05.27 | karsten | Guerin: Good news: your CIDR itself doesn't appear in my april list. |
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| 12:05.46 | Guerin | karsten: heh. "eung" would be the Modern Standard Romanisation, but yours is about right. |
| 12:05.56 | liable | Guerin: yes, adde -R to the /etc/init.d/syskogd script |
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| 12:06.12 | karsten | eung. |
| 12:06.24 | karsten | Guerin: I mostly know that from my ex's calls from her mother. |
| 12:06.28 | freewoody | Which is the best tool to start and stop services running at Startups in Debian ? |
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| 12:06.42 | karsten | Guerin: ...which mostly consisted of "eung" repeated for about three minutes, followed by an argument. |
| 12:06.42 | Guerin | liable: it says to add -c 2 |
| 12:06.53 | Guerin | karsten: I didn't know you had a korean ex |
| 12:07.06 | karsten | Guerin: Yep. |
| 12:07.06 | Guerin | karsten: oh wait |
| 12:07.11 | Guerin | maybe I did |
| 12:07.22 | liable | Guerin: eh, which factoid is that, the one I saw says -R |
| 12:07.32 | karsten | Guerin: She's buried in the backyard. Or didn't I get to that bit? |
| 12:07.37 | Guerin | karsten: that's pretty much how your typical korean phone conversation goes. I've even started it. |
| 12:07.45 | karsten | Heh. |
| 12:07.48 | Guerin | karsten: I thought that was your dog... |
| 12:08.02 | Guerin | !klogd |
| 12:08.02 | dpkg | klogd is probably the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload |
| 12:08.02 | bob2 | freewoody: hah, best |
| 12:08.06 | bob2 | freewoody: rcconf works, mostly |
| 12:08.07 | karsten | "An yeung ah seh oh, eung, eung, eung..." |
| 12:08.10 | karsten | Guerin: cat. |
| 12:08.28 | karsten | Guerin: the exgrilf is sort of in effigy. |
| 12:08.36 | Guerin | karsten: we have had some very, very funny moments repeating korean onomatopoeia |
| 12:08.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:08.50 | freewoody | I don't see a /etc/init.d/network file in my Debian system ? |
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| 12:08.51 | Guerin | i'll not go into them as they're almost certainly offensive |
| 12:08.52 | liable | Guerin: cheers, will try |
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| 12:09.03 | freewoody | I only see /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 12:09.09 | saintiss | !pdflush |
| 12:09.14 | sydneyfong | freewoody: on mine it's called /etc/init.d/networking |
| 12:09.16 | treestone | freewoody: What do you want to do? |
| 12:09.20 | Guerin | directhex|work: impossible |
| 12:09.38 | karsten | Guerin: Apparently I'm good enough in person to make people think I can actually say more than ~1/2 dozen words. |
| 12:09.41 | freewoody | Well I want to change some IP addresses and add some routing information |
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| 12:09.58 | treestone | freewoody: /etc/network/interfaces, then. 'man 5 interfaces' |
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| 12:10.01 | freewoody | Should I edit /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 12:10.04 | Guerin | karsten: it's ridiculous. Speak two words of korean and they think you're fluent and launch into a tirade |
| 12:10.11 | Guerin | karsten: i get it on a daily basis |
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| 12:11.00 | directhex|work | Guerin, can you say "badger mushroom snake" in korean? |
| 12:11.01 | Mardus | I solved the issue of putting the stopgap measure of make middle button act as main button in root X: gecome root in console, cp .Xmodmap and .Xsession to your current directory (the dot), restart X. |
| 12:11.10 | Mardus | * become |
| 12:11.15 | Guerin | no, but sussudio can |
| 12:11.22 | Mardus | Ah, and the copying had to be done from my home directory where these files are. |
| 12:11.32 | Guerin | directhex|work: I don't know badger, but I might remember it if you give me a moment |
| 12:11.34 | karsten | Guerin: How un-French of them ... |
| 12:11.49 | freewoody | By the way, I have to install a Linux OS in one of our RAS Servers. The older guys are insisting on Red Hat ES but I am insisting on Debian |
| 12:11.59 | freewoody | How shall I outwit them |
| 12:12.07 | directhex|work | freewoody, steal their RPMs |
| 12:12.11 | Mardus | That way I could run root X and run synaptic |
| 12:12.15 | treestone | freewoody: Good for you. That Red Hat ES is getting very long in the teeth. |
| 12:12.27 | freewoody | Well, they are the senior guys |
| 12:12.29 | sydneyfong | freewoody, convince their boss or be their boss ;-p |
| 12:12.35 | Guerin | freewoody: install debian, and copy the redhat_release file from a redhat install |
| 12:12.42 | directhex|work | Mardus, that sounds like a lot of work. apt-get install sux; sux; sypatic |
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| 12:12.45 | Guerin | then alias rpm=dpkg |
| 12:13.13 | treestone | Well, they'll notice when they realize that the compiler isn't gcc-2.96... |
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| 12:13.22 | freewoody | Well I thought that Red Hat was dead |
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| 12:13.36 | directhex|work | redhat is. redhat enterprise and fedora live |
| 12:13.49 | directhex|work | RHEL4 is current, xorgish, gnomish, and bloatish |
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| 12:13.50 | freewoody | Bue RedHat ES cost money right ? |
| 12:13.57 | directhex|work | lots of money, yes |
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| 12:14.06 | aardvark | directhex: Ohsoree Ohsoree Ohsoree... |
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| 12:14.14 | sydneyfong | freewoody, you might as well convince them to use win2k/2k3 ;-p |
| 12:14.25 | resiak | Mardus: What's wrong with su/sudo/gksu for running synaptic? |
| 12:14.40 | freewoody | Well, how different are RedHat systems from Debians ? |
| 12:14.55 | directhex|work | freewoody, they have corporate backing. they're nasty to admin, that's all |
| 12:15.27 | directhex|work | freewoody, by "nasty" i mean "every time i use RHEL it makes me weep" |
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| 12:15.51 | Humbe | freewoody: redhat is a bit like debian unstable.. They bundle all the newest stuff and ships it.. |
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| 12:16.07 | directhex|work | freewoody, try and install gnome 2.x perl bindings. on debian, that's an apt-get install libgimp-perl. try and do the equivalent on red hat enterprise |
| 12:16.39 | directhex|work | freewoody, hint, it involves four rpm's for fedora core 1 from random places, two large cpan installs, and compiling some source to /usr |
| 12:17.13 | resiak | directhex|work: This reminds me of "the RedHat equivalent of /etc/modules"... |
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| 12:17.42 | directhex|work | resiak, line 134 of some random init file? |
| 12:17.51 | resiak | directhex|work: \o/ |
| 12:18.19 | treestone | freewoody: I concur with directhex, 'corporate backing, nasty to admin' (and the weeping part too :-) |
| 12:18.34 | directhex|work | well directhex knows all :x |
| 12:18.42 | Vince34 | re all |
| 12:19.39 | treestone | freewoody: As you already noticed, network administration is silly easy in Debian, everything is nicely handled by that single /etc/network/interfaces file. In RHEL it's more muddy. |
| 12:19.51 | freewoody | apt-get conquers all |
| 12:20.04 | jethro | rhel has apt-get |
| 12:20.13 | nydust | how do i enable dhcp again? |
| 12:20.14 | jethro | doesnt make it less sucky |
| 12:20.20 | resiak | jethro: But it doesn't have the same repositories. |
| 12:20.25 | freewoody | I just install OpenOffice.org but I don't see the icons in the Applications menu ? |
| 12:20.28 | treestone | jethro: That's just a wrapper tool, it doesn't have all the good things that the real apt-get and .deb system give you. |
| 12:20.32 | freewoody | Do I have to restart Gnome ? |
| 12:20.34 | jethro | resiak: you mean it s not used with dpkg |
| 12:20.39 | resiak | freewoody: Possibly... |
| 12:20.39 | freewoody | Gnome 2.8 |
| 12:20.43 | jethro | treestone: I know that thanks |
| 12:20.46 | nydust | freewoody, yup some times |
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| 12:20.59 | resiak | jethro: No, I mean that it doesn't have all the wonderful 16 CDs of joy that Debian's apt repositories have. |
| 12:21.04 | rm-Rf | I have problem with gnupg and kmail. Do we have a file called gpg-agent.conf? |
| 12:21.12 | kM0ti0n_ | I need to install TCL header to compile eggdrop |
| 12:21.16 | jethro | who on earth has use for the 16 cds anyways? |
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| 12:21.24 | kM0ti0n_ | but I don't know how |
| 12:21.38 | rm-Rf | for every mail i send i get to enter a password |
| 12:21.47 | rm-Rf | for encryption |
| 12:21.49 | kM0ti0n_ | I have search the cache for TCL headers |
| 12:21.51 | directhex|work | :o VIA have published full source code to DRI's graphics drivers for their UniChrome onboard graphics solutions |
| 12:22.10 | resiak | jethro: I only mentioned them because they're a nice measure of number of packages. |
| 12:22.11 | directhex|work | *DRI'd |
| 12:22.20 | treestone | rm-Rf: At least others won't be able to sneak into your computer room and send nasty mails in your name :-) |
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| 12:22.36 | kM0ti0n_ | what package do I need to install to have TCL headers |
| 12:22.42 | resiak | directhex|work: We have a new Matrox! |
| 12:22.49 | jethro | resiak: my point was that dpkg and the .deb format are far superior to rpm and .rpm, hence the use of apt-get with both doesn't give the same ease of administration :) |
| 12:22.55 | liable | Guerin: I'll thank you now for helping me fix the klog messages, but I may have to slap you later if it doesnt work :) |
| 12:23.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:23.08 | resiak | jethro: Sure, I agree. Now I must leave IRC :D |
| 12:23.12 | Guerin | don't blame me, blame... |
| 12:23.14 | jethro | heh |
| 12:23.19 | Guerin | !factinfo klogd |
| 12:23.20 | dpkg | klogd -- created by cph <cph@nausea.netcraft.com> at Thu Oct 25 11:04:16 2001 (1265 days); last modified at Thu Oct 25 11:05:48 2001 by cph!cph@nausea.netcraft.com; it has been requested 105 times, last by saintiss, 13m 52s ago. |
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| 12:23.38 | Guerin | cph@nausea.netcraft.com |
| 12:23.41 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:23.55 | liable | ah so ill blame him :) |
| 12:24.01 | treestone | !seen cph |
| 12:24.02 | dpkg | cph <~cph@cph.demon.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 162d 20h 17m 47s ago, saying: 'new version of mtbf - mean time between fires?'. |
| 12:24.52 | treestone | hm. |
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| 12:25.46 | directhex|work | resiak, only onboard for now, but if the drivers can be haxed to work with their deltachrome & omnichrome discrete cards... |
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| 12:33.31 | Mardus | directhex|work: It doesn't sound like a lot of work, because in reality it only took me a couple minutes to copy the files from my home/~ directory to the root home/~ directory and a restart of X. The mouse button remapping work was relatively fast in man-hours, but I had to do the learning through here & google & man & helpfiles/howto's. |
| 12:33.49 | liable | bah, shit, two different tries at it, and I still get the dropped package message |
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| 12:35.54 | Mardus | directhex|work: LOL on ... +ish :D |
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| 12:36.58 | Mardus | resiak: on su/sudo/gksu for running synaptic: I couldn't run it thru logging in to su in xterma & then running synaptic |
| 12:37.04 | Guerin | bah |
| 12:37.25 | freewoody | What's the easiest way to install fonts in Debian ? |
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| 12:37.34 | Guerin | !fonts |
| 12:37.34 | dpkg | well, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, http://www.dimensional.com/~bgiles/debian-tt.html (dead link) for TTF under Debian, and http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html and http://www.justlinux.com/bin/feature/story.pl?fid=1861565 or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html |
| 12:37.38 | greycat | the easiest? "apt-get install x-window-system" |
| 12:37.40 | caphuso | pay someone to do it for you |
| 12:37.58 | caphuso | that requires only taking some money out of your purse |
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| 12:38.15 | greycat | finding someone capable of doing it is probably harder than typing "sudo apt-get install x-window-system" |
| 12:38.26 | freewoody | What does that command actually install? I did that when I installed Gmplayer in Ubuntu ? |
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| 12:38.40 | freewoody | But I did not know what it actually installed |
| 12:38.58 | caphuso | alternatively learn about X builtin font support, and the various font servers, and fontconfig, then do whatever is necessary to add fonts to one or more of them |
| 12:39.01 | liable | Guerin: no other ideas? |
| 12:39.16 | Mardus | nydust: run dhclient, if you mean re-enabling the connection if everything else is fine. |
| 12:39.20 | greycat | !+depends x-window-system sarge |
| 12:39.25 | dpkg | x-window-system: depends on x-window-system-core, lbxproxy, proxymngr, twm, xdm, xfs, xfwp, xnest, xprt-xprintorg, xterm, xvfb |
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| 12:39.37 | kicknick | hmmmm this x-windows aint working :( |
| 12:39.47 | freewoody | Well what does x-window-system actually install ? |
| 12:39.52 | Guerin | liable: ssh localhost? |
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| 12:39.56 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 12:40.00 | rootshell | hey guys |
| 12:40.01 | sydneyfong | !+depends x-window-system-core |
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| 12:40.11 | freewoody | Well I need to install some local fonts |
| 12:40.14 | greycat | it installs x-window-system-core, lbxproxy, proxymngr, twm, xdm, xfs, xfwp, xnest, xprt-xprintorg, xterm, xvfb |
| 12:40.15 | dpkg | x-window-system-core: depends on xserver-xfree86, xlibmesa-dri, xlibmesa-gl, xlibmesa-glu, xfonts-base (>> 4.0), xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-scalable, xbase-clients, xutils |
| 12:40.16 | liable | Guerin: ??? eh |
| 12:40.19 | freewoody | How should I go about doing it ? |
| 12:40.28 | rootshell | bugger |
| 12:40.31 | Guerin | liable: nope, won't work |
| 12:40.39 | Pappa | they should release official x.org packages when sarge is out, right? |
| 12:40.40 | tdonahue | I'm running Sarge, with KDE and suddenly this morning I'm running into a small issue with evolution.... All the text I type is coming out backward.... I don't have this problem with any other applications.... any idea where I should start debugging this? |
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| 12:41.07 | disco_stew | awesome |
| 12:41.12 | liable | Guerin: don't get it |
| 12:42.18 | freewoody | Where is the local cache for: apt-get install <package> gets stored ? |
| 12:42.28 | liable | meaning I dont undestand |
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| 12:42.51 | disco_stew | I'm trying to use apt-get on my debian sarge box, and I keep getting "File size limit exceeded 0%" |
| 12:42.56 | freewoody | Where does apt-get store it's cache ? |
| 12:43.05 | disco_stew | feel free to take your time, I can see you're busy |
| 12:43.10 | disco_stew | freewoody: try man apt-get |
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| 12:43.38 | freewoody | Any quick links |
| 12:43.51 | renegad3 | what is a good logging daemon? |
| 12:43.54 | BadMan | freewoody: check in /var/cache |
| 12:43.56 | streuner | freewoody: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 12:44.04 | disco_stew | renegad3: syslogd |
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| 12:44.13 | sydneyfong | or /var/lib/apt/* /var/lib/dpkg/* ? |
| 12:44.21 | tarzeau2 | i really hate power outages |
| 12:44.26 | disco_stew | I like them |
| 12:44.30 | disco_stew | they give me time to think |
| 12:44.30 | Mardus | freewoody: the easiest way to install fonts is to set Xfontpaths, if actual fonts files are there. I somehow tend to stay with what 18 fonts I have right now... Like I've put this job off for "tomorrow" or "threemorrow" or "4morrow"... |
| 12:44.31 | freewoody | My /var/cache/apt is some 261 MB in size |
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| 12:44.35 | tarzeau2 | (and even more dynamic ip addresses) |
| 12:44.45 | greycat | dynamic IPs do suck. |
| 12:44.47 | disco_stew | tarzeau2: get a dynamic dns address |
| 12:44.50 | disco_stew | :) |
| 12:44.55 | tarzeau2 | disco_stew: i do have one |
| 12:44.56 | sydneyfong | freewoody, that's normal |
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| 12:44.58 | disco_stew | me too |
| 12:45.00 | tdonahue | i agree disco_stew, so long as I have dry firewood :) |
| 12:45.02 | Humbe | I find a lot of headers in /usr/include/somemodule/... and a few headers in /usr/lib/somemodule/include/... How are all these locations supposed to work with automake/conf ? |
| 12:45.06 | freewoody | Xfontpaths |
| 12:45.06 | disco_stew | lol |
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| 12:45.33 | rm-Rf | how do i restart /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent |
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| 12:45.42 | greycat | Humbe: most programs that use them either have #include <foo/bar.h> or they use $(foo-config --cflags) |
| 12:45.51 | clojster | what is the command to delete user? |
| 12:45.58 | Le[]n | can anyone help me with creation of local repositiry ??? |
| 12:45.58 | caphuso | deluser |
| 12:45.58 | freewoody | Can't I just copy my local fonts in Nautilus typing: fonts:/// |
| 12:46.03 | caphuso | or userdel |
| 12:46.12 | disco_stew | userdel :P |
| 12:46.17 | tarzeau2 | edit /etc/passwd |
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| 12:46.33 | sydneyfong | and /etc/shadow, /etc/groups..... |
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| 12:46.35 | clojster | thnx |
| 12:46.52 | Mardus | Pappa: Yea, I just read that newspiece that was releasedon Debian X FAQ. |
| 12:46.56 | disco_stew | so no-one knows what the error "File size limit exceeded 0%" means, when you try to run apt-get? |
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| 12:47.09 | disco_stew | apt-get install that is |
| 12:47.19 | Humbe | greycat: Yes..But they don't include the outermost lib.. For instance.. libsigc++ has files in "/usr/include/sigc++-1.2/sigc++/" which they include with #include <sigc++/bla> .. And there's also a header file they include that's in /usr/lib/sigc++-1.2/include |
| 12:47.22 | tarzeau2 | disco_stew: it's the \r |
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| 12:47.26 | zinx | disco_stew: most likely your filesystem is corrupt :/ |
| 12:47.31 | disco_stew | eeek |
| 12:47.42 | tarzeau2 | disco_stew: the 0% should be a line above |
| 12:47.44 | zinx | disco_stew: figure out which file's too big |
| 12:47.50 | tarzeau2 | zinx: must be fun |
| 12:48.02 | disco_stew | fuck, where do I start |
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| 12:48.17 | mxn | Hi. xset -q tells me X's config file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf, yet if I make changes to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, they appear to affect my xserver. What might be going on? |
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| 12:48.26 | greycat | Humbe: then it's autoconf's responsibility to generate a ./configure which generates -I/usr/include/sigc++-1.2 in the CFLAGS in the Makefiles |
| 12:48.34 | greycat | Humbe: isn't layer upon layer upon layer upon layer of indirection *so* much fun? |
| 12:48.34 | sydneyfong | disco_stew: what version of apt? (the woody one has some weird bugs once the source lists get huge...) |
| 12:48.55 | disco_stew | apt 0.5.28.1 |
| 12:48.56 | apt | 0.5 |
| 12:49.06 | liable | Guerin: just to make sure, I added the -c 2 after the -- after start-stop-daemon bit, thats right eh? |
| 12:49.08 | Le[]n | can anyone help me with creation of local repositiry ??? |
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| 12:49.20 | Humbe | greycat: Yes.. Very much.. Trying to write an acinclude.m4 file that finds all these.. But right now I'm just hardcoding it to get it to work.. |
| 12:49.27 | Guerin | liable: add it to the environment variable, like the bot saus |
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| 12:49.29 | Guerin | says |
| 12:49.34 | Le[]n | can anyone help me with creation of local repository ??? |
| 12:49.35 | sydneyfong | disco_stew: no idea then. check your files(ystems) as they said |
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| 12:50.10 | greycat | Le[]n: a repository of what? shell tricks? GIFs of dead celebrities? |
| 12:50.19 | Qwertq | Hello |
| 12:50.20 | bob2 | mxn: it might do both. I'd just delete the XF86Config-4. |
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| 12:50.21 | Mardus | freewoody: Once you have X installed /and somehow working, you'd have to read the FAQ on how to set up fonts (or more fonts) in X, if there are any more that you could find... Xfontpaths (case?) is somewhere in the XF86Config-4 (or XF86config) file. Provided that you have X working and you know there are some fonts that are there, but not being displayed in X. |
| 12:50.22 | liable | Guerin: thats the $KLOGD bit? |
| 12:50.36 | mxn | bob2: OK. Cheers. |
| 12:50.45 | Mardus | freewoody: Well, that's my experience anyway, but I haven't gone so far to set that part up properly. |
| 12:50.49 | bob2 | mxn: I know it will fallback of xorg.conf doesn't exist |
| 12:50.49 | disco_stew | yeah will do, ta |
| 12:50.58 | Guerin | liable: affirmative |
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| 12:51.29 | freewoody | So where can I install my local fonts in Debian ? |
| 12:51.36 | liable | Guerin: damm, Iwas hoping I fucked up |
| 12:51.47 | jm_ | that depends on what apps will be using the fonts |
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| 12:52.10 | SoloFlyer | Guerin, |
| 12:53.01 | mxn | bob2: xorg.conf does exist - it's identical except for some changes to XF86... I just made. |
| 12:53.07 | Guerin | SoloFlyer, |
| 12:53.11 | bob2 | mxn: ok |
| 12:53.31 | pixil9 | Can anyone tell me where to edit my openbox menu? |
| 12:53.40 | WiFiTux | I'm trying to get to my Solaris box by cygwin. I think I have setup pretty much everything, but I dunno what I have to do to export the display to my PC> |
| 12:53.51 | Guerin | pixil9: /usr/share/themes or somesuch? |
| 12:54.06 | jm_ | WiFiTux: why do you think #debian is appropriate place for this question? |
| 12:54.08 | disco_stew | sydneyfong: how would I go about fixing it if it was apt? |
| 12:54.13 | Guerin | WiFiTux: please explain in 50 words or less what this has to do with debian |
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| 12:54.25 | Guerin | you have 60 seconds starting now |
| 12:54.38 | tarzeau2 | WiFiTux: you want www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html (down) |
| 12:54.41 | sydneyfong | err..... file a bug report? |
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| 12:55.04 | SuperSox | He said solaris instead of sparc and his sparc is running Debian. there thats even under 50 words :) |
| 12:55.09 | sydneyfong | perhaps running it under a gdb might show sth useful..... |
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| 12:55.11 | Pappa | pixil9: tried ~/.openbox ? |
| 12:55.19 | pixil9 | Pappa: ya |
| 12:55.21 | tarzeau2 | SuperSox: maybe he meant solaris |
| 12:55.23 | mxn | bob2: Unrelated - do you know much about ldconfig? I mucked mine up and need it to point at some apache-related stuff that it *used to*... |
| 12:55.26 | disco_stew | sydneyfong: is there a way of going backwards |
| 12:55.30 | disco_stew | aah, don't use testing |
| 12:55.33 | disco_stew | :P |
| 12:55.33 | SuperSox | tarzeau2: probably I'm just being an asshat though ;) |
| 12:55.33 | tarzeau2 | SuperSox: and (yuck) maybe even on x86 |
| 12:55.35 | pixil9 | I found the config now.. but it's referring to "Debian" for the main list |
| 12:55.41 | Mardus | *Le[]n*: No, sorry, I don't have this much experience yet. |
| 12:55.47 | Guerin | sydneyfong: I see "cygwin" and "solaris" and I wonder why I should care |
| 12:55.57 | jethro | slowlaris is teh suck |
| 12:56.04 | SuperSox | I like solaris |
| 12:56.09 | tarzeau2 | SuperSox: i hate it |
| 12:56.10 | SuperSox | but not on x86 :) |
| 12:56.15 | directhex|work | SuperSox, there is nothing good about solaris |
| 12:56.17 | sydneyfong | disco_stew, actually i doubt that it's apt... |
| 12:56.17 | SuperSox | Debian is my prefered x86 os |
| 12:56.21 | nomeata | Hi. I need to move my rootserver to another provider, and I have a pretty good offer for a AMD 64 machine. How far is the AMD 64 support in sarge, how stable is it, or would it be better to just run i386 on that box? |
| 12:56.23 | tarzeau2 | SuperSox: you've run the OPENSTEP on Solaris stuff? |
| 12:56.25 | bob2 | mxn: you don't need to play with it to get apache modules to work |
| 12:56.33 | Mardus | *Le[]n*: The best bet would be to google "http/ftp" "local repository" (write with double quotes if you wish to have documents with these exact phrases) |
| 12:56.34 | sydneyfong | disco_stew: `$ ulimit -a` what do you get? |
| 12:56.35 | Le[]n | PEOPLE .. HELP ME, PLZ! |
| 12:56.38 | bob2 | nomeata: sarge won't release with amd64 support |
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| 12:56.43 | bob2 | Le[]n: stop being annoying |
| 12:56.44 | tarzeau2 | SuperSox: i'd rather run OPENSTEP, Debian, then NetBSD and at the very end Solaris on a sparc |
| 12:56.45 | Guerin | !annoy Le[]n |
| 12:56.50 | directhex|work | nomeata, officially, you run 32bit sarge, with a 64bit kernel, and some 64bit compatability libraries |
| 12:56.53 | kicknick | guerin r u busy? |
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| 12:56.57 | bob2 | nomeata: #debian-amd64 will know more, but it seems pretty stable |
| 12:56.57 | timeW | nomeata: its very good |
| 12:56.58 | directhex|work | nomeata, unofficially, there's amd64 sarge |
| 12:57.02 | Guerin | kicknick: i r alwys bzy lol |
| 12:57.04 | SuperSox | tarzeau2: no, my only solaris box is an old Sparc running sol8 it runs apache and nothing much more :) |
| 12:57.05 | disco_stew | core file size (blocks, -c) 0 |
| 12:57.05 | disco_stew | data seg size (kbytes, -d) 102400 |
| 12:57.05 | disco_stew | file size (blocks, -f) 2048 |
| 12:57.05 | disco_stew | max locked memory (kbytes, -l) 1000 |
| 12:57.05 | disco_stew | max memory size (kbytes, -m) 1000 |
| 12:57.06 | disco_stew | open files (-n) 1024 |
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| 12:57.12 | Guerin | fuck's sake |
| 12:57.14 | disco_stew | pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 |
| 12:57.15 | tarzeau2 | SuperSox: non ultra? |
| 12:57.16 | disco_stew | stack size (kbytes, -s) unlimited |
| 12:57.16 | sydneyfong | yea, that's the problem |
| 12:57.16 | nomeata | ok, I'll ask #debian-amd64 |
| 12:57.17 | directhex|work | !info amd64-libs sarge |
| 12:57.18 | disco_stew | cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited |
| 12:57.18 | dpkg | amd64-libs: (Amd64 shared libraries for use on i386/x86_64 systems), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4386 kB, Installed size: 10700 kB |
| 12:57.20 | disco_stew | max user processes (-u) 100 |
| 12:57.20 | Guerin | disco_stew: stop |
| 12:57.21 | SuperSox | tarzeau2: Ultra |
| 12:57.21 | disco_stew | virtual memory (kbytes, -v) unlimited |
| 12:57.23 | disco_stew | whoops |
| 12:57.23 | Guerin | immediately |
| 12:57.25 | disco_stew | I thought that was the problem, but I don't know how to solve it |
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| 12:57.27 | jethro | disco_stew: stop it |
| 12:57.27 | tarzeau2 | SuperSox: which one? |
| 12:57.29 | Mardus | *Le[]n*: Honey, I just a beginner. |
| 12:57.29 | SuperSox | tarzeau2: Ultra 1 infact. |
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| 12:57.43 | bob2 | bah lag |
| 12:57.43 | mxn | Fun. |
| 12:57.45 | tarzeau2 | SuperSox: yeah, that's really old |
| 12:57.47 | disco_stew | lol |
| 12:57.51 | disco_stew | sorry guys |
| 12:57.54 | SuperSox | tarzeau2: yep, it was cheap though :) |
| 12:57.54 | tarzeau2 | bob2: better lag than no internet at all |
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| 12:57.56 | kicknick | directhex|work i am gettin a error when i try to start xfce4 any way i can paste the error |
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| 12:58.00 | sydneyfong | disco_stew, your ulimit file size is too small |
| 12:58.02 | bob2 | tarzeau2: heh, indeed |
| 12:58.03 | Guerin | kicknick: no |
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| 12:58.10 | nagual | tarzeau2: linuks.mine.nu is yours? |
| 12:58.13 | bob2 | tarzeau2: are you a DD yet? |
| 12:58.13 | directhex|work | kicknick, into #flood |
| 12:58.14 | Guerin | kicknick: put it on a httpd; /msg dpkg paster |
| 12:58.14 | tarzeau2 | nagual: yes |
| 12:58.14 | jethro | damnit generating rainbow tables takes ages |
| 12:58.16 | mxn | bob2: apachectl configtest reported /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 couldn't find libperl.so. I managed to point it at a wrong version, I *think*... |
| 12:58.16 | nksen | what am I missing if I always have to call 'xrdb -merge .Xdefaults' on startup to make the content of this file take effect? |
| 12:58.17 | bob2 | tarzeau2: I need something sponsored |
| 12:58.18 | tarzeau2 | bob2: no. who cares? |
| 12:58.23 | tarzeau2 | bob2: hahaha, what is it? |
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| 12:58.27 | disco_stew | sydneyfong: how do I change it, /etc/security/limits? |
| 12:58.29 | jm_ | nksen: it's .Xresources |
| 12:58.34 | bob2 | mxn: that's not Debian, dude |
| 12:58.39 | Guerin | nksen: you're missing the opportunity to put it into your .Xsession or .xinitrc |
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| 12:58.44 | bob2 | tarzeau2: bazaar! |
| 12:58.47 | tarzeau2 | bob2: i mean if i was, i'd be much less here. do you want to get rid of me? |
| 12:58.49 | mxn | bob2: Darn your perceptive ways. ;-) |
| 12:58.53 | nagual | tarzeau2: cool. you must have had it for ages, i remember it when i was in #linux on q-net, that was like 5-6-7 years ago |
| 12:58.53 | sydneyfong | depends on where you set it..... (i'm not sure ;-p) |
| 12:59.01 | WiFiTux | Guerin: I use debian! :) |
| 12:59.02 | SoloFlyer | hey |
| 12:59.05 | SuperSox | tarzeau2: thinking about getting a U60 and putting Sol10 on it ;) |
| 12:59.09 | tarzeau2 | nagual: yeah :) and don't worry it still exists |
| 12:59.09 | bob2 | mxn: other operating systems might need you to put whatever dir libperl.so.X is in in /etc/ldconfig or so |
| 12:59.10 | BadMan | Le[]n: ttp://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=Debian+Local+Repository |
| 12:59.11 | nksen | Guerin: the same format? |
| 12:59.12 | Guerin | WiFiTux: not on either of those boxen, you don't |
| 12:59.19 | BadMan | Le[]n: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=Debian+Local+Repository |
| 12:59.19 | bob2 | mxn: freebsd? |
| 12:59.26 | disco_stew | sydneyfong: well problems did start happening after I set it there |
| 12:59.28 | nagual | tarzeau2: i never worry, just fun to recognize stuff, makes me feel oldschool i guess :) |
| 12:59.29 | tarzeau2 | nagual: i'll fix it tonight |
| 12:59.29 | Guerin | nksen: yeah, both those files just execute commands like a bash script |
| 12:59.30 | disco_stew | but I unset it and it did nothing |
| 12:59.31 | mxn | bob2: Good guess. |
| 12:59.38 | sydneyfong | disco_stew, raise the limits or remove them |
| 12:59.41 | mxn | (Correct, in fact.) |
| 12:59.43 | bob2 | tarzeau2: hm, good point. I guess you should become a DD once I move to switzerland then. |
| 12:59.51 | WiFiTux | Guerin: I donwloaded the cygwin debian style? |
| 12:59.55 | nksen | Guerin: though strange. on my debian system at home the .Xdefault-file works, on another debian-system it doesn't. weird |
| 13:00.00 | Guerin | WiFiTux: wtf? |
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| 13:00.02 | tarzeau2 | bob2: how is your visit to switzerland related to someone becoming DD? |
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| 13:00.06 | SuperSox | WiFiTux: that was over 60 seconds! |
| 13:00.13 | Guerin | nksen: different x strtup process, I bet |
| 13:00.14 | tarzeau2 | bob2: actually i'd prefer a @gnu.org MUCH more than @debian.org |
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| 13:00.19 | Guerin | SuperSox: right you are |
| 13:00.24 | bob2 | tarzeau2: then I don't need you in #debian anymore, you can buy me beer in person! |
| 13:00.24 | nagual | whats a dd? |
| 13:00.26 | greycat_ | Well. I guess the problem's not on my end. |
| 13:00.27 | nagual | devian dev? |
| 13:00.28 | tarzeau2 | !dd |
| 13:00.28 | dpkg | [dd] man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer |
| 13:00.30 | Guerin | and it was a failed explanation anyway |
| 13:00.31 | bob2 | nagual: yeah |
| 13:00.33 | Guerin | !lose WiFiTux |
| 13:00.33 | dpkg | WiFiTux: You Lose. |
| 13:00.34 | kicknick | can anyone tell me the problem i have pasted the error here http://rafb.net/paste/results/Jv1Rv826.html |
| 13:00.35 | disco_stew | sydneyfong: do I have to restart anything to get them to work? |
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| 13:00.40 | lewis | hey there - I recently 'apt-get upgrade'd my debian box, and it updated phpmyadmin. I can visit the site, though can't login - any ideas? |
| 13:00.49 | nagual | i was in switzerland a few weeks ago, i think i deserver nagual@debian.org for that |
| 13:00.51 | sydneyfong | i think you just have to log out and then relogin |
| 13:00.54 | SuperSox | lewis: you forgot your password ;) |
| 13:00.55 | WiFiTux | !aol gueron |
| 13:00.56 | Guerin | lewis: logs |
| 13:00.57 | nomeata | hmm. debian-amd64 is kinda quiet right now. Does anyone know about any plans for security support for AMD64? |
| 13:00.58 | KursK | aye...strange things here...got two woody machines, bot with the same apt sources, but has gnome2.x and another gnome1.x...welll...how can this happen? someone downloaded 2.x and installed it with dpkg? is there any way to confirm this? |
| 13:01.02 | tarzeau2 | bob2: i will drown you in beer! |
| 13:01.05 | bob2 | mxn: hm, I dunno then, sorry. I'd guess it's similar to mucking up /etc/ld.so.conf on Debian, but I'm pretty sure the name is different on freebsd. |
| 13:01.16 | jethro | !sing tuesday |
| 13:01.16 | lewis | SuperSox: nah - I know my passwords, and tried two accounts - caps lock off, and cookies are on |
| 13:01.16 | Guerin | WiFiTux: wow, i'm glad i don't know gueron |
| 13:01.19 | jim | oh no! dpkg is dead! |
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| 13:01.24 | directhex|work | nomeata, none until sarge has released. i've already told you about amd64 on debian |
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| 13:01.41 | Mardus | disco_stew: create text file, upload it, send link here |
| 13:01.43 | SuperSox | lewis: humm, I've just done the same - I'll check to see if I can still login |
| 13:01.43 | mxn | bob2: NP. Ta. |
| 13:01.51 | lewis | SuperSox: ok thanks |
| 13:01.51 | bob2 | nomeata: I imagine the amd64 people will try to do security support, but it won't be done by the debian security team |
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| 13:02.02 | freewoody | Hello, I need help to install local true type fonts in Debian |
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| 13:02.09 | Guerin | i'm disappointed that dpkg has forgotten the annoy command |
| 13:02.09 | WiFiTux | Guerin: yes you do. |
| 13:02.14 | SuperSox | lewis: hey, you know what, I'm getting the same problem |
| 13:02.15 | nomeata | bob2: ok, thanks. sounds like it's safer to stick with i386 on the server |
| 13:02.20 | Guerin | WiFiTux: i do? |
| 13:02.22 | lewis | SuperSox: heh |
| 13:02.23 | tarzeau2 | freewoody: throw them in /usr/share/fonts |
| 13:02.23 | BadMan | damn 1674 for files in my /var/cache/apt/archives totallling 1.2GB ... oh my what ever shall I do... |
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| 13:02.30 | SoloFlyer | kicknick |
| 13:02.31 | lewis | SuperSox: you must've forgot your pass :) |
| 13:02.34 | jim | freewoody: overall, you need the font, and a truetype font server... |
| 13:02.36 | sydneyfong | BadMan, apt-get clean |
| 13:02.38 | WiFiTux | Guerin: It's you, but male, |
| 13:02.38 | yang | I am using DOS diskcopy program to create floppy images. I got sarge boot.img and root.img correctly written, but i cannot write cd-drivers.img , I get "divide error" ? |
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| 13:02.46 | Aronofsky | hi , i got an install on 2.4 kernel that uses initrd and I wanted to know what it loads at boot time , how can I know that ? |
| 13:02.48 | SuperSox | lewis: root/blank, kinda difficult to forget ;) |
| 13:02.50 | Guerin | woah, there are two of me? |
| 13:02.51 | sydneyfong | BadMan, that removes the stuff from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:02.54 | jim | then you have to put the font in such a place where the font server sees it |
| 13:02.55 | tarzeau2 | yang: your dos diskcopy program sucks |
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| 13:03.02 | WiFiTux | Guerin: I said male. |
| 13:03.05 | kicknick | SoloFlyer: yes? |
| 13:03.05 | Guerin | i mist track down my doppelganger and.... introduce him to my wife |
| 13:03.07 | SoloFlyer | kicknick |
| 13:03.12 | kicknick | SoloFlyer: yes? |
| 13:03.13 | Guerin | s/mist/must/ |
| 13:03.14 | BadMan | thx sydneyfong 8-) |
| 13:03.16 | lewis | SuperSox: I haven't changed any of the phpmyadmin settings, so everything should be 'default' with me. I am running 'testing'. |
| 13:03.19 | jim | and these places would be configured into the font server |
| 13:03.21 | bob2 | Aronofsky: "lsmod" will show the modules it loaded, if that's what you mean |
| 13:03.25 | Guerin | WiFiTux: yes, I read you correctly. |
| 13:03.29 | SuperSox | lewis: clear your browsers cache, and it should work (at least it did for me) |
| 13:03.29 | sydneyfong | BadMan: you could actually just rm -f the stuff there..... ;-p |
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| 13:03.44 | BadMan | nah, i would rather apt do it so it nows wahats going on... |
| 13:03.45 | lewis | clear the cookies, or just temp files? |
| 13:03.46 | WiFiTux | Guerin: anyway, help me out! :) |
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| 13:03.53 | Aronofsky | bob2, yeah but how can i know the thing specificaly loaded by initrd |
| 13:04.07 | Guerin | WiFiTux: i know nothing about solaris or cygwin. Ask someone who does. |
| 13:04.13 | SuperSox | lewis: I cleared the cookies and the cache (using firefox here) you probably just need to clear the cookies though |
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| 13:04.15 | bob2 | Aronofsky: what else does the initrd load? |
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| 13:04.36 | lewis | damn - had soo many cookies |
| 13:04.42 | SuperSox | lewis: lol :) |
| 13:05.05 | jim | lewis: just tell your browser not to accept them! :) |
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| 13:05.09 | lewis | SuperSox: ok - fixed it - thank you for your help |
| 13:05.10 | Aronofsky | bob2, yeah i want to know what it loads exactly |
| 13:05.15 | SuperSox | lewis: not a problem |
| 13:05.16 | dreamskm | hello all! I've got the weirdest problem ever, and I'm hoping that somebody can give me an idea what's wrong. I'm setting up a new server, and I can access network services like WWW and SSH from outside the server, but on the server itself I can't do e.g. 'ssh localhost' |
| 13:05.18 | lewis | jim: nah - i like 'em for forums/logins to sites |
| 13:05.29 | lewis | so many different usernames/passwords - urghj |
| 13:05.30 | bob2 | Aronofsky: all it contains are modules |
| 13:05.40 | bob2 | dreamskm: did you setup a firewall? |
| 13:05.43 | SuperSox | if my web box was up, I'd blog that little tid-bit incase someone else comes in with the same problem :( |
| 13:05.45 | jim | meetoo, but I'm glad that browsers accept/reject by site |
| 13:05.47 | dreamskm | no firewall yet =/ |
| 13:05.50 | Aronofsky | bob2, yeah i know that , i want to know which one |
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| 13:05.52 | BadMan | that made a difference 2.8G 196M 2.5G 8% /var was 60% full hehe |
| 13:06.02 | jethro | WiFiTux: still hung with yuour cygwin/x11 display problem? I guess it wasn't XDMCP related HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 13:06.05 | jethro | !pal WiFiTux |
| 13:06.15 | dreamskm | the mysql server totally refuses to start |
| 13:06.21 | bob2 | Aronofsky: boot into single-user mode and run lsmod |
| 13:06.47 | WiFiTux | jethro: don't laugh. Yes, i'm still on it! |
| 13:07.00 | Aronofsky | bob2, what is single user mode ? |
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| 13:07.15 | jethro | WiFiTux: I laugh cause you called me a fucker last time, and it's funny to see you didn't manage to RTFM *yet* |
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| 13:07.19 | bob2 | Aronofsky: 'Linux 1' at the boot prompt |
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| 13:07.27 | EdibleText | dreamskm, you check /etc/hosts ? |
| 13:07.46 | Aronofsky | and then what , only the initrd will be loaded ? |
| 13:07.46 | dreamskm | cxs:/etc# cat /etc/hosts |
| 13:07.46 | dreamskm | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost cxs |
| 13:07.47 | lewis | i must be off - thanks again |
| 13:07.53 | dreamskm | and then there's the IPv6 hosts |
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| 13:08.07 | Aronofsky | bob2, only the initrd modules wil be loaded ? |
| 13:08.11 | joaopaulo | when i install something that goes to gnome menu, it doesnt go to menu, only if i reload gnome, some ideia ? |
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| 13:08.15 | BadMan | dreamskm: maybe its to smart for that.... |
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| 13:08.20 | BadMan | 8-) |
| 13:08.27 | bob2 | Aronofsky: I don't know what you're really trying to find out, sorry |
| 13:08.31 | dreamskm | who's too smart for what?? |
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| 13:08.52 | BadMan | ssh too smart to allow you to ssh on same b0x? |
| 13:08.56 | Aronofsky | bob2, it is simple , i want to know what are the modules loaded by initrd |
| 13:09.12 | *** join/#debian paulswm (unknown@103.99.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 13:09.15 | bob2 | Aronofsky: then boot into single user mode and run lsmod |
| 13:09.17 | dreamskm | heh, no, that I can do normally :) |
| 13:09.24 | kicknick | can anyone help me when i try to run startxfce4 i get the following error X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 13:09.34 | dreamskm | MySQL says this: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address |
| 13:09.41 | dreamskm | google has one single hit for that |
| 13:09.43 | directhex|work | kicknick, stop what you're doing |
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| 13:09.54 | directhex|work | kicknick, apt-get install gdm; /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 13:10.10 | Aronofsky | bob2, i will see only the modules loaded BY initrd , not the others loaded by the system after the boot time ? |
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| 13:10.26 | bob2 | kicknick: 'startx startxfce4', no quotes |
| 13:10.29 | BadMan | !wwsr |
| 13:10.30 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online, in april 2005. Latest release update : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00003.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
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| 13:10.45 | bob2 | Aronofsky: that's why you're booting into single-user mode |
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| 13:10.55 | sydneyfong | dreamskm: how about `netstat -apn -A inet` ? |
| 13:11.01 | jim | dreamskm: what port are you trying to get it to listen on? |
| 13:11.04 | aardvark | bob2: you probably want to /cycle |
| 13:11.11 | *** part/#debian bob2 (rob@202.174.101.196) |
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| 13:11.26 | dreamskm | among others: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2030/sshd |
| 13:11.27 | Aronofsky | bob2, how can i do that in grub ? |
| 13:11.41 | dreamskm | the normal port. I don't even know what that is |
| 13:11.41 | SoloFlyer | kicknick what was that url again |
| 13:11.43 | aardvark | bob2: got spam from pOLice? |
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| 13:11.56 | SoloFlyer | aardvark so did i |
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| 13:12.02 | WiFiTux | jethro: a fucker? that's how I call my friends! |
| 13:12.15 | jethro | yeah sure thing |
| 13:12.22 | jethro | moron |
| 13:12.23 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 13:12.24 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@203.48.250.64] by bob2 |
| 13:12.25 | *** part/#debian pOLice (~HAKAN44@203.48.250.64) |
| 13:12.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
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| 13:12.34 | simonrvn | pOLice on-join spammer |
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| 13:12.35 | d22 | could someone post his hosts file please? I need to check if mine is correct |
| 13:12.41 | jak_ | hello. im having trouble with my suspend... everytime, my x40 get awake, its playing a loud and nasty "beep"... can one turn this off? THX!! |
| 13:12.42 | jim | dreamskm: ok, one thing, if it's < port 1024, you have to start the server as root |
| 13:12.46 | sydneyfong | dreamskm: you sure your iptables is empty? |
| 13:12.47 | tarzeau2 | d22: i've got mine at www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 13:12.51 | bob2 | simonrvn: too slow :P |
| 13:12.55 | Linoleum_ | hello , when I try to do : aptitude install gnome, on my DEBIAN SID , it gives me an error, about the gnome-office package that cannot be installed... is it normal??? |
| 13:12.58 | bob2 | tarzeau2: oh, and swiss chocolate, too |
| 13:12.59 | bjbL | !ops pOLice HAKAN44@203.48.250.64 is sending /join spam: "Free Porno Videos" |
| 13:12.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pOLice HAKAN44@203.48.250.64 is sending /join spam: "Free Porno Videos" |
| 13:13.02 | bob2 | aardvark: thanks |
| 13:13.07 | aardvark | bob2: mkay |
| 13:13.08 | simonrvn | :) |
| 13:13.08 | *** part/#debian LoRez (lorez@lorez.staff.freenode) |
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| 13:13.10 | bob2 | bjbL: dude, I banned it already |
| 13:13.11 | dreamskm | jim: it's starting as root |
| 13:13.12 | tarzeau2 | bob2: have you been to turkey yet? |
| 13:13.25 | bob2 | tarzeau2: no |
| 13:13.28 | bjbL | Well, sorry to say it's still sending bob2 |
| 13:13.40 | simonrvn | bjbL: hey, you didn't have to paste the crap here too :) |
| 13:13.41 | jim | dreamskm: ok, so another possibility is something else is already listening on that port |
| 13:13.50 | dreamskm | sydneyfong: yeah, empty |
| 13:13.51 | bjbL | simonrvn, I didn't give the url did I |
| 13:13.52 | *** part/#debian bob2 (rob@202.174.101.196) |
| 13:13.52 | freewoody | How do I install local fonts in Ubuntu ? |
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| 13:13.53 | cj_ | what is the current status of mediawiki debian package? |
| 13:13.55 | freewoody | In Debian |
| 13:13.57 | greycat | freewoody: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:13.59 | kang1 | how |
| 13:14.12 | BadMan | whois pOLice |
| 13:14.13 | bob2 | tarzeau2: it does sound fun |
| 13:14.17 | simonrvn | it'll be gone soon |
| 13:14.21 | liable | ok, this sucks, how do I stop this, [#debian] ABORTED IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=64.4.53.253 DST=203.220.189.15 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=115 ID=27709 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=4802 SEQ=2859817013 ACK=4075718940 WI, have tried adding -R to sysklog and -c 2 to klogd |
| 13:14.23 | simonrvn | bjbL: no :) |
| 13:14.25 | sydneyfong | weird. try `nc -p -l 1234 -v` and then `nc localhost 1234` in another terminal |
| 13:14.27 | simonrvn | bjbL: misread |
| 13:14.28 | dreamskm | jim: the port is free... only SSH, Apache and smtp ports are taken |
| 13:14.35 | bob2 | liable: you've been told how to fix that |
| 13:14.38 | sydneyfong | `apt-get install netcat` if necessary |
| 13:14.43 | bjbL | Ok, looking back, I see that it was probably banned a second or two after I joined. Thanks bob2 |
| 13:14.44 | jm_ | liable: /msg dpkg printk console |
| 13:14.51 | streuner | liable: /msg dpkg syslog console |
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| 13:14.55 | karsten | cj_: AFAIK, not packaged, but trivial to install. |
| 13:14.57 | tarzeau2 | freewoody: nobody cares about UBUNTU HERE! |
| 13:15.12 | freewoody | Well I mean Debian of course |
| 13:15.15 | dreamskm | what's 'nc', I don't have that... |
| 13:15.20 | freewoody | Ubuntu is a child of Debian |
| 13:15.20 | kang1 | hwo to set the font size for gkrellm display in non-root? |
| 13:15.21 | greycat | dreamskm: netcat |
| 13:15.25 | tarzeau2 | freewoody: SO WHAT? |
| 13:15.25 | jethro | dreamskm: apt-get install netcat to have it |
| 13:15.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 13:15.27 | sydneyfong | nc == netcat |
| 13:15.28 | *** part/#debian joaopaulo (~joaopaulo@201.11.96.199) |
| 13:15.31 | tarzeau2 | freewoody: NOBODY FUCKING CARES ABOUT UBUNTU |
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| 13:15.34 | simonrvn | netcat |
| 13:15.41 | *** kick/#debian [freewoody!rfc1413@wooledge.org] by greycat (shut the fuck up and go away) |
| 13:15.42 | karsten | !tell cj_ about p.d.o. |
| 13:15.43 | dreamskm | cxs:/etc# nc -p -l 1234 -v |
| 13:15.43 | dreamskm | invalid local port -l |
| 13:15.44 | bob2 | chiiiiiiiiiiill, folks |
| 13:15.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
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| 13:15.51 | tarzeau2 | thank you so much |
| 13:15.54 | paulswm | !prize greycat |
| 13:15.54 | Linoleum_ | ME prefer DEbain thant UNBUNTU, because if we would prefer Ubuntu, we would be on the channel Ubuntu... |
| 13:15.56 | sydneyfong | whoops |
| 13:15.59 | jethro | how bout we all take a n ice cup of stfu ? |
| 13:16.03 | sydneyfong | dreamskm, nc -l -p 1234 |
| 13:16.08 | simonrvn | lagging... |
| 13:16.11 | Aronofsky | another question , what is jbd module ? |
| 13:16.14 | directhex|work | !tell kicknick about msg |
| 13:16.24 | bob2 | karsten: have to r103 or something, nowadays, you can't sell that stuff no more |
| 13:16.25 | streuner | hm |
| 13:16.26 | jethro | I ll take one! |
| 13:16.28 | SlayerXP | greycat: 6/10. you didn't take advantage of the perfect opportunity to use the word "fuckwit" |
| 13:16.41 | dreamskm | sydneyfong: 'nc -l -p 1234' just sits there, nothing happens |
| 13:16.45 | jak_ | hello. im having trouble with my suspend... everytime, my x40 get awake, its playing a loud and nasty "beep"... can one turn this off? THX!! |
| 13:16.49 | karsten | bob2: Nothing like good old r1. |
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| 13:16.55 | kang1 | how to set the font size for gkrellm display in non-root? |
| 13:16.55 | bob2 | jak_: you can turn it off in the bios |
| 13:16.55 | sydneyfong | yea, open another term and then `nc -v localhost 1234` |
| 13:17.00 | medvind | hi. I'd like to be able to copy texts by just selecting them. where do I set this option? sorry for the newb question. |
| 13:17.02 | *** part/#debian sqwit (~sqwit@201.12.48.101) |
| 13:17.08 | bob2 | jak_: or you can use tpbctl to mute the audio system before suspend |
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| 13:17.22 | sydneyfong | see if it connects. then type sth and see if it shows up on the other nc |
| 13:17.24 | directhex|work | medvind, that's what xfree86 already does |
| 13:17.25 | jak_ | bob2: i did that already, and i think it must a have something to do with my bell style or something like that |
| 13:17.33 | dreamskm | sydneyfong: same thing, absolutely nothing happens |
| 13:17.34 | bob2 | jak_: that worked for me on my x40 |
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| 13:17.35 | liable | bob2: I have tried two different things |
| 13:17.37 | jim | medvind: in what context? |
| 13:17.39 | dreamskm | it never returns |
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| 13:17.46 | karsten | jak_: console or GUI? Maybe tset? |
| 13:17.49 | jak_ | bob2: thats the funny thing, the beep fires even when i mute |
| 13:17.51 | caligula | hi |
| 13:17.56 | bob2 | dreamskm: paste the output of 'sudo iptables -L -v -n' to #flood |
| 13:17.56 | DA_ | 1 |
| 13:18.02 | bob2 | jak_: very weird |
| 13:18.04 | liable | streuner: i tried the syslog thing yesterday |
| 13:18.05 | *** mode/#debian [+l 840] by debhelper |
| 13:18.10 | bjbL | karsten, heh |
| 13:18.23 | bob2 | jak_: before I found the bios option I always just had to remember to hit mute before sleeping |
| 13:18.25 | sydneyfong | dreamskm, what i'm trying to do is to use netcat to listen to a port, and then use netcat to connect to that port, to see whether you can connect to localhost ports |
| 13:18.26 | caligula | I have a problem with apt-get, fail and say: --output-fd: unknown option, any suggest? thanks |
| 13:18.27 | jak_ | karsten: after comming up from suspend it starts into my x |
| 13:18.30 | kang1 | why do my keyboard jam when i enter chat with kopete? |
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| 13:18.34 | greycat | 'It's diverged so far from Sarge that packages built for Ubuntu often don't work on Sarge. And given the momentum behind Ubuntu, more and more packages are being built like this. The result is a potential compatibility nightmare.' |
| 13:18.41 | streuner | liable: so try what jm_ told you |
| 13:18.52 | mwilson | kang1: You'll have noted, of course, gkrellm's ability to directly control the fonts that're in use in its themes configuration. |
| 13:18.53 | karsten | jak_: OK. tset handles a few things, possibly console bell. Look at that. |
| 13:18.53 | medvind | directhex, it doesn't do it for me after having reinstalled debian |
| 13:18.53 | Aronofsky | anyone know what is jbd module ? |
| 13:18.57 | dreamskm | it's tehre |
| 13:18.58 | streuner | liable: i have no idea, if the factoids differs |
| 13:18.58 | karsten | jak_: Wild-ass guess. |
| 13:18.59 | dreamskm | there |
| 13:19.00 | tarzeau2 | greycat: you got that from p.d.o right? |
| 13:19.03 | greycat | if even *slashdot* can tell the difference between ubuntu and debian, then we expect ubuntu users to be at least that bright. |
| 13:19.08 | greycat | tarzeau2: front page of /. |
| 13:19.13 | tarzeau2 | ah there too |
| 13:19.14 | jak_ | karsten: thx, ill take a look at it |
| 13:19.15 | d22 | could someone post his hosts file please? I need to check if mine is correct |
| 13:19.18 | tarzeau2 | it was in a blog |
| 13:19.21 | medvind | jim, generally in X |
| 13:19.24 | sydneyfong | dreamskm, what is there? |
| 13:19.25 | dreamskm | sydneyfong: oooh, so I gotta run those two at the same time |
| 13:19.30 | sydneyfong | yeayea |
| 13:19.32 | jm_ | d22: man hosts |
| 13:19.33 | dreamskm | the iptables output |
| 13:19.35 | dreamskm | in #flood |
| 13:19.35 | streuner | d22: /j #flood and show us |
| 13:19.43 | paulswm | greycat: I think it's not that they don't understand, it's that they don't care |
| 13:19.47 | mwilson | d22: By "correct" you mean... what? |
| 13:19.54 | karsten | greycat: You know, though, that Slashdot sets low expectations, then fails to meet them. |
| 13:20.11 | dreamskm | sydneyfong: ok, so. what that netcat thing again. which command first in one terminal, and which second on another terminal? |
| 13:20.12 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 13:20.23 | kang1 | mwilson: for a given theme, i am able to control font size with gnome control center in root but not non-root. |
| 13:20.28 | sydneyfong | first: nc -l -p 1234 |
| 13:20.33 | sydneyfong | second: nc -v localhost 1234 |
| 13:20.38 | medvind | directhex|work, it doesn't do it for me after having reinstalled debian (sorry, sent that to your other nick) |
| 13:20.40 | *** part/#debian jak_ (jak@lart.info) |
| 13:20.44 | *** part/#debian cj_ (~cj@A0988.a.pppool.de) |
| 13:20.46 | paulswm | I notice that the latest one said "Ubuntu" then tried to cover by saying "Debian" |
| 13:20.57 | karsten | d22: hosts is created in netbase upgrade, according to notes in my file. |
| 13:20.58 | dreamskm | sydneyfong: both commands running, both are doing nothing |
| 13:21.01 | mwilson | kang1: That's nice. |
| 13:21.05 | sydneyfong | try typing sth on either one |
| 13:21.18 | kang1 | mwilson: what does that mean? |
| 13:21.28 | jm_ | karsten: that's when it added IPv6 stuff |
| 13:21.32 | S4nD3r_ | Hello... My / was full, then I create a new partition to mount /home. But, the / is full yet. I moved all data from /home to new partition in new /home... How solve it ?? I removed all from /tmp too. The old /home folder there was 3GB, so I could have 3GB free on / mount point... |
| 13:21.32 | streuner | paulswm: Freud? |
| 13:21.32 | dreamskm | sydneyfong: nothing... |
| 13:21.33 | greycat | paulswm: that's why I felt fully justified in kicking him. I was even nice enough not to make it a full kickban this time. |
| 13:21.39 | karsten | jm_: Right. |
| 13:21.40 | greycat | paulswm: he's a fucking *liar* and I hate that. |
| 13:21.58 | karsten | greycat: Whodat? |
| 13:22.00 | mwilson | kang1: That seemed to be the only possible answer. You asked how to control it, I told you, you come up with some irrelevant piece of information. |
| 13:22.05 | paulswm | greycat: Yes, I agree, I hate that too |
| 13:22.12 | freewoody | So which Linux distro is the best in the world ? |
| 13:22.15 | kang1 | why do my keyboard jam when i enter chat with kopete? |
| 13:22.17 | greycat | Debian. |
| 13:22.27 | jethro | !poll |
| 13:22.28 | dpkg | You wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me! |
| 13:22.28 | sydneyfong | dreamskm: ping localhost? |
| 13:22.32 | liable | bob2: if I have been told, and done what was told, then what? |
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| 13:22.48 | freewoody | Is the Linux Kernel getting bigger and bigger each passing day |
| 13:23.00 | greycat | what the fuck is this guy's problem? |
| 13:23.09 | greycat | 09:23 channels : #gentoo #debian #ubuntu |
| 13:23.13 | jethro | freewoody: would you mind not asking stupid AND pointless questions ? |
| 13:23.13 | paulswm | streuner: Nah, just a poor liar |
| 13:23.16 | dreamskm | cxs:~# ping localhost |
| 13:23.17 | dreamskm | PING localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 13:23.17 | dreamskm | --- localhost.localdomain ping statistics --- |
| 13:23.17 | dreamskm | 28 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 26995ms |
| 13:23.18 | *** kick/#debian [dreamskm!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
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| 13:23.23 | paulswm | *sigh* |
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| 13:23.28 | tarzeau2 | 15:23 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from freewoody: Gaim IRC |
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| 13:23.31 | greycat | you firewalled localhost? good job. |
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| 13:23.41 | paulswm | HAHAHA |
| 13:23.41 | dreamskm | was that too much text in one go? |
| 13:23.47 | sydneyfong | dreamskm, did you check the nat table of iptables? |
| 13:23.48 | freewoody | FreeBSD's kernel is just 7 MB in comparison to Linux's 50 plus MB kernel |
| 13:23.55 | jethro | !tell dreamskm -about paster |
| 13:23.56 | sydneyfong | iptables -t nat -L -n -v |
| 13:24.03 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 13:24.03 | karsten | greycat: Heh. |
| 13:24.07 | karsten | dreamskm: 4 lines. |
| 13:24.07 | jethro | someone shut his mouth ? |
| 13:24.09 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@202.79.36.135\] by greycat |
| 13:24.11 | karsten | !tell dreamskm about flood |
| 13:24.12 | tarzeau2 | freewoody: gnumach is 3 mb |
| 13:24.13 | greycat | bah. |
| 13:24.17 | karsten | !tell dreamskm about paster |
| 13:24.19 | dreamskm | thx |
| 13:24.20 | jethro | you screwed it |
| 13:24.22 | bob2 | dreamskm: greycat (s)he pasted the output of 'iptables -L --v -n' to #flood, all ACCEPT, no rules |
| 13:24.24 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@202.79.36.135] by greycat |
| 13:24.25 | directhex|work | beos's kernel is teeny! |
| 13:24.28 | jethro | :) |
| 13:24.29 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@202.79.36.135\] by greycat |
| 13:24.29 | paulswm | freewoody: you are confusing kernel with kernel+modules |
| 13:24.31 | caligula | I have a problem with apt-get, fail and say: --output-fd: unknown option, any suggest? thanks |
| 13:24.33 | Aronofsky | got a pb, i was on 2.6.5, I compile the 2.6.11 with the config file of the 2.6.5 and i got a kernel panic , isn't it strange ? |
| 13:24.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 13:24.35 | zophyx_ | freewoody: my weenus is 10 inches |
| 13:24.36 | kdayn | Iam running debian with frebird database which acts very unstable |
| 13:24.41 | asg | bob2: did you check the default policy? |
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| 13:24.43 | jethro | thanks a lot greycat |
| 13:24.45 | greycat | paulswm: you are confusing intentional bad troll with clueless newbie |
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| 13:24.56 | paulswm | !prize greycat |
| 13:24.59 | dreamskm | sydneyfong: pasting iptables in #flood |
| 13:25.02 | kdayn | can I talk to somebody who knows firebird well |
| 13:25.03 | kdayn | ? |
| 13:25.05 | bob2 | asg: is that the ACCEPT in "Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 827 packets, 116K bytes)" ? |
| 13:25.14 | greycat | kdayn: it's Firefox now, if you mean the web browser |
| 13:25.16 | tarzeau2 | kdayn: you have one question left |
| 13:25.18 | bob2 | caligula: when doing what? |
| 13:25.19 | asg | bob2: yes, just checking |
| 13:25.24 | karsten | !tell kdayn about ask |
| 13:25.35 | caligula | bob2, I am trying to install OpenLDAP |
| 13:25.36 | bob2 | greycat: I think he/she means the RDBMS |
| 13:25.39 | jim | medvind: you do it with your mouse buttons |
| 13:25.41 | kdayn | nop it's database |
| 13:25.44 | jm_ | zignig: so it works? |
| 13:25.45 | bob2 | caligula: and the command you run is ... |
| 13:25.45 | directhex|work | zignig, running amd64 debian? |
| 13:25.49 | caligula | bob2, and failed installing libslp1 |
| 13:25.52 | zignig | jm_: yes |
| 13:25.53 | bob2 | zignig: oh, shiny |
| 13:25.56 | zignig | directhex|work: of course. |
| 13:26.09 | caligula | bob2, apt-get install slapd |
| 13:26.12 | paulswm | !beat zignig for having a better CPU than paulswm |
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| 13:26.22 | zignig | d-i worked a charm , the only problem was that the amd packages are still on alioth. |
| 13:26.36 | medvind | jim, yeah I think I've got it.. I was just being retarded. thanks |
| 13:26.41 | quittt | sarge... |
| 13:26.44 | caligula | bob2, Setting up libslp1 (1.0.11a-2) ... |
| 13:26.44 | caligula | --output-fd: unknown option |
| 13:26.45 | zignig | paulswm: hehe. |
| 13:26.46 | quittt | sarge is going to release? |
| 13:26.53 | greycat | caligula: bug report time! |
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| 13:26.57 | cahoot | medvind: IF seglare? |
| 13:27.00 | dreamskm | what on earth am I missing? this is such a stupid problem... |
| 13:27.05 | quittt | take a another little pieces of my heart.. |
| 13:27.09 | greister | I think aptitude is better than apt-get. Are you agree? |
| 13:27.11 | medvind | cahoot, what? |
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| 13:27.15 | jim | medvind: note that some applications are a little strange with the cut n paste thing |
| 13:27.17 | kdayn | i seems that nobody uses firebird databases :) |
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| 13:27.31 | liable | shit, it cant be that hard to stop bloody log messages coming up can it! |
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| 13:27.31 | caligula | bob2, greycat, I am using Sarge |
| 13:27.36 | medvind | jim, okay.. thanks again. |
| 13:27.41 | jim | kdayn: nah... postgresql all the way baybee :) |
| 13:27.45 | karsten | !tell greister about aptitude |
| 13:28.06 | kdayn | jim: yeah , postgres rulezz, but I hve to deal with firebird :( |
| 13:28.11 | paulswm | BadMan: I have a p133 and a K6 450 which are still running 24x7 |
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| 13:28.23 | jim | kdayn: is it free software? |
| 13:28.33 | kdayn | jim yes it is |
| 13:28.36 | BadMan | lol, well my 166 wont run kde so I run texmode on it.... |
| 13:28.45 | jim | ahh... so it's GPL? |
| 13:28.50 | Guerin | bah, a 166 will run kde, given enough ram |
| 13:28.53 | greycat | BadMan: I'm sure it could handle fvwm |
| 13:28.54 | kdayn | firebird I something similar to interbase |
| 13:28.58 | tarzeau2 | Guerin: yuck! |
| 13:29.00 | BadMan | the k63 450 and the kd6 500 run just fine |
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| 13:29.07 | Guerin | tarzeau2: I agree, but it WILL |
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| 13:29.14 | kdayn | jim: it's gpl for sure |
| 13:29.21 | Guerin | i ran it on a p2-233 laptop for ages |
| 13:29.22 | _spin_ | ciao a tutti |
| 13:29.30 | karsten | !tell BadMan about window manager |
| 13:29.34 | jim | kdayn: hmm, then you might be able to find a debian package for it |
| 13:29.36 | _spin_ | italiani? |
| 13:29.37 | King_Brad | how can i kill xwindows.. ? |
| 13:29.39 | greycat | !it |
| 13:29.39 | dpkg | i guess italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 13:29.41 | King_Brad | i want to uninstall it. |
| 13:29.41 | caligula | greycat, slapd is a popular package |
| 13:29.43 | greycat | King_Brad: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 13:29.44 | karsten | !tell BadMan about best window manager |
| 13:29.44 | tarzeau2 | dpkg xwindows |
| 13:29.45 | dpkg | xwindows is probably NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
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| 13:29.46 | greycat | King_Brad: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 13:29.48 | sydneyfong | dreamskm, add that line and then `ifup lo` |
| 13:29.50 | karsten | BadMan: Second factoid. Light WMs indicated. |
| 13:29.57 | dreamskm | sydneyfong: thank you so very much! =D |
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| 13:30.14 | sydneyfong | :) |
| 13:30.16 | King_Brad | okay, can i kill X from ssh? |
| 13:30.21 | karsten | !tell BadMan about best wm |
| 13:30.25 | _spin_ | !it |
| 13:30.25 | kdayn | jim, I already did it, I just want to talk about it's configuration |
| 13:30.25 | dpkg | [italian] per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 13:30.25 | greycat | King_Brad: yes. |
| 13:30.28 | Guerin | you can kill anything from ssh |
| 13:30.29 | dreamskm | I hate installing via cdebootsreap, but the installer won't run on that server |
| 13:30.32 | Guerin | including ssh |
| 13:30.38 | kdayn | because I am expoeriencing strange problems |
| 13:30.39 | greycat | anything that's not in state 'D' |
| 13:30.44 | King_Brad | thats kinda....... sad... |
| 13:30.45 | Guerin | true |
| 13:30.46 | King_Brad | but kool |
| 13:30.51 | karsten | BadMan: killall XFree86 |
| 13:30.52 | sydneyfong | dreamskm: oh btw, your /etc/network/interfaces should have something like this "auto lo eth0 ... " |
| 13:30.57 | jim | !info firebird |
| 13:31.02 | Guerin | !man interfaces |
| 13:31.02 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
| 13:31.03 | karsten | BadMan: ...though that may be a bit harsh. Find your server if you can. |
| 13:31.11 | dreamskm | sydneyfong: yeah, I'll add that auto lo line... |
| 13:31.11 | sydneyfong | with "lo" (otherwise you'll get the same prob next time you reboot) |
| 13:31.12 | Guerin | dreamskm: there you go |
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| 13:31.17 | sydneyfong | :) |
| 13:31.18 | jim | dpkg Package 'firebird' does not exist. |
| 13:31.18 | BadMan | karsten: ? Im not having a problem.. hehe |
| 13:31.22 | bob2 | haha |
| 13:31.27 | King_Brad | so, killall xfree86 ? |
| 13:31.33 | EdibleText | dreamskm, auto lo |
| 13:31.35 | King_Brad | from ssh |
| 13:31.39 | karsten | King_Brad: Case sensitive. |
| 13:31.39 | EdibleText | dreamskm, iface lo inet loopbac |
| 13:31.44 | jim | do I have the package name right? |
| 13:31.46 | King_Brad | k |
| 13:31.46 | greycat | !loopback |
| 13:31.46 | dpkg | somebody said loopback was how you talk to yourself. "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces, or "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" from the shell. A misconfigured loopback could cause "neighbour table overflow" messages. a driver to handle files as if they were devices. |
| 13:31.53 | sydneyfong | EdibleText: he's got it already ;-p |
| 13:31.53 | thingfish | jim: mozilla-firefox |
| 13:32.14 | sydneyfong | EdibleText: we had a secret chat in #flood |
| 13:32.21 | dreamskm | so now I've got 'auto lo \ iface lo inet loopback \ auto eth0 \ iface eth0 inet dhcp' |
| 13:32.26 | EdibleText | sydneyfong, I once lost my lo. It made me sad. |
| 13:32.33 | BadMan | its a great fast little laptop, on text mode... 8-) uses very low power for its age running text mode.. |
| 13:32.36 | jim | thingfish: ahh, but kdayn says this thing is a database |
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| 13:33.05 | BadMan | winders could survice about 2 hours on a full charge, text mode runs 4 to 4and a half hourse |
| 13:33.19 | King_Brad | apt-get purge remove XFree86 will remove all xwindows packages right? |
| 13:33.21 | dreamskm | thank you all! time to boot and see if it still works =) |
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| 13:33.30 | Guerin | BadMan: cool |
| 13:33.44 | sydneyfong | argh |
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| 13:34.07 | karsten | King_Brad: No. Just the server stuff. |
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| 13:34.27 | King_Brad | ok, what will remove everything for xwindows thats not needed? |
| 13:34.29 | BadMan | thats my only real reason for running the text mode on it... I suppose an extremely "light weight" wm would be ok, but, it would have to be pure blah 8-) |
| 13:34.29 | karsten | King_Brad: X is client/server. The server is the part that throws up the herringbone pattern. The clients are everything else. |
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| 13:34.49 | karsten | King_Brad: What are you trying to get rid of. |
| 13:34.53 | King_Brad | X. |
| 13:34.55 | ciga | does anyone have an idea why I can't get 1024x768x24 on my Acer laptop (i810)? 1024x768x8 works fine. |
| 13:34.56 | King_Brad | completely |
| 13:35.01 | King_Brad | i just want a console system |
| 13:35.06 | King_Brad | no X atall |
| 13:35.08 | greycat | King_Brad: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 13:35.09 | tarzeau2 | ciga: not enough memory? |
| 13:35.11 | King_Brad | k |
| 13:35.12 | King_Brad | thx |
| 13:35.22 | ciga | tarzeau2: in windows it works fine. |
| 13:35.30 | jim | ahh, found it, one of them is firebird2-super-server |
| 13:35.34 | jetx | dselect will do what you want easily |
| 13:35.35 | King_Brad | hrm |
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| 13:35.37 | King_Brad | thats weird |
| 13:35.39 | greycat | jim: it has a cape? |
| 13:35.40 | jak_ | hi. is it possible to let the root user start x programs (say xmms for example)? ive tried to export XAUTHORITY=..., but it says that it cannot open display... |
| 13:35.57 | greycat | jetx: dselect doesn't do *anything* easily. |
| 13:35.57 | BenDrake | Hey all, I am runnin debian sarge, w/fluxbox. I just got a Lyra MP3 player and linux is only finding the main storage, and not the expandable SD card. |
| 13:36.00 | jm_ | jak_: /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
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| 13:36.06 | bob2 | hm |
| 13:36.15 | jim | dpkg: does firebird2-super-server have a cape? |
| 13:36.17 | thingfish | jim: sorry about the mozilla-firefox thing, I just saw I totally misread your post. |
| 13:36.20 | bob2 | I wonder if it's worth putting my primary MX on my dsl |
| 13:36.24 | bob2 | with a ststic ip |
| 13:36.28 | jm_ | jak_: also make sure that DISPLAY is set to :0 |
| 13:36.30 | SoloFlyer | when does my ban get lifted? |
| 13:36.32 | jetx | greycat: you just highlight the section header and hit purge... it's good for mass purging, very easy |
| 13:36.33 | bob2 | then I could run more hardcore SA stuff |
| 13:36.38 | bob2 | SoloFlyer: when you stop being annoying |
| 13:36.40 | jim | thingfish: it's what most people would have thought. no problem |
| 13:36.43 | karsten | bob2: ststic or spastic? |
| 13:36.46 | bob2 | SoloFlyer: evading ban = annoying, btw |
| 13:36.49 | bob2 | karsten: both, really |
| 13:36.56 | greycat | SoloFlyer: usually someone cleans up all the old bans a few times a year when the list gets too full. |
| 13:37.13 | SoloFlyer | thanks |
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| 13:37.19 | BadMan | lol.... " a few times a year..." |
| 13:37.20 | jak_ | jm_: it tells me, tht the server refused.. i know, i should do it, but its more comfortable... and i promise i want start firefox as root :) |
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| 13:37.34 | zignig | now all I need is a stable ISP :/ |
| 13:37.35 | Ronin | interesting ban though SoloFlyer if your here :) |
| 13:37.39 | jak_ | jm_: ups... i w0nt start ff... i meant |
| 13:37.43 | SoloFlyer | lol |
| 13:37.44 | jm_ | jak_: well ask dpkg as explained above and go with one of the options |
| 13:37.57 | LoRez | SoloFlyer: you could get yourself klined for telling people to rm -rf / |
| 13:37.58 | jim | SoloFlyer: well looky, you're here now... you might as well ask stuff or whatever |
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| 13:38.32 | SoloFlyer | LoRez it was only a joke |
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| 13:38.59 | SoloFlyer | i didnt relize that it would be taken as anythign other than that |
| 13:39.09 | LoRez | SoloFlyer: for it to be a joke, someone other than you has to laugh. I've seen lots of newbies do stuff like that because some jackass like you told them to. |
| 13:39.11 | BadMan | you know I never have tried that, reffering to rm -rf / .... |
| 13:39.35 | BadMan | maybe for shits and giggles I will try it on a spare and see how long it stays up afterwards hehe |
| 13:39.49 | SoloFlyer | badman dosent do much stops deleting once rm gets removed |
| 13:39.53 | sml | if i get the message "More than one copy of package nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) has been unpacked in this run ! only configuring it once." is that bad? or can i safely ignore that |
| 13:40.00 | sydneyfong | SoloFlyer, it doesn't |
| 13:40.01 | greycat | the kernel won't crash, but every application will eventually stop working, and you can't launch anything new. |
| 13:40.03 | sydneyfong | rm continues |
| 13:40.04 | sml | that's the message I get from m-a. |
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| 13:40.13 | jak_ | jm_: i didnt get it... could you repeat it? |
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| 13:40.16 | SoloFlyer | sydney stoped when it delted rm on my box |
| 13:40.18 | jim | LoRez: I used to know a guy with a 2 mb .plan file full of irc conversations where he convinces people to type that, they do it and then either their connection suddenly dies or they cuss someone out or something |
| 13:40.22 | jm_ | jak_: jsut once |
| 13:40.24 | jm_ | jak_: /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 13:40.34 | jak_ | thx!! |
| 13:40.35 | bob2 | SoloFlyer: no, it will contine deleting things long after /bin/rm is deleted |
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| 13:40.51 | BadMan | sml: I seem to recall that once too, Ido believe it went on succesfully |
| 13:40.54 | bob2 | SoloFlyer: running executables continue to run after their binaries cease to exist |
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| 13:41.04 | bob2 | unlike solaris, where they just randomly segfault |
| 13:41.04 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 13:41.07 | bob2 | yay sun! |
| 13:41.10 | greycat | heh |
| 13:41.14 | sydneyfong | perhaps SoloFlyer was running solaris..... |
| 13:41.17 | SoloFlyer | i did it on a freebsd box |
| 13:41.31 | King_Brad | :) |
| 13:41.34 | sydneyfong | SoloFlyer: in linux it continues. |
| 13:41.40 | King_Brad | 1 more question from me, |
| 13:41.44 | SoloFlyer | interesting |
| 13:41.47 | treestone | unless you do killall -9 rm |
| 13:41.48 | King_Brad | how can i see hard drive space from ssh? |
| 13:42.03 | amorphix | King: df -h |
| 13:42.05 | cmug_ | df -h |
| 13:42.05 | bob2 | King_Brad: df -h |
| 13:42.09 | King_Brad | thank u :) |
| 13:42.11 | BadMan | King_Brad: dh -ah |
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| 13:42.17 | sydneyfong | treestone, by that time you wouldn't have [/usr]/bin/killall |
| 13:42.17 | cmug_ | drop the -h to be more 31373 |
| 13:42.38 | treestone | sydneyfong: It all depends on your speed :-) (and where you keep your spare system admin binaries) |
| 13:42.38 | amorphix | do you need a special adaptor card to use a 133 ATA HDD? |
| 13:42.48 | greycat | depends on your motherboard |
| 13:42.56 | jak_ | jm_: i did this already and it tells me "** CRITICAL **: Unable to open display" (?) |
| 13:42.58 | jim | King_Brad: you transfer the drive over the ssh connection... then when you have the drive in your hand, you take it apart and use a microscope to see the spaces... |
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| 13:43.05 | paulswm | amorphix: depends whther your mobo supports ATA133 |
| 13:43.06 | amorphix | greycat: mine is probably ancient, its a P3-550 system |
| 13:43.23 | greycat | "ancient". Hah. |
| 13:43.29 | amorphix | thats old eh |
| 13:43.32 | sydneyfong | lol i had my fair share of frustration after fscking up my system (left with bash and nothing else) |
| 13:43.38 | paulswm | amorphix: hdparm can tell you what your onbiard IDE supports |
| 13:44.01 | amorphix | paulswm: thanks im running Windows tho on this box atm |
| 13:44.01 | valdyn | ata 133 is "ancient" too |
| 13:44.01 | jm_ | jak_: did what? |
| 13:44.01 | BadMan | hmm, I see my board supports udma 33/66 8-) how do I check to see what Im running at? |
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| 13:44.09 | greycat | not pentium 3. not pentium 2. pentium. |
| 13:44.11 | jak_ | jm_: sorry... i exported XAUTH |
| 13:44.19 | paulswm | BadMan: hdparm |
| 13:44.20 | jak_ | jm_: (and display) |
| 13:44.21 | amorphix | hehe |
| 13:44.28 | jim | is there yet a drive that can talk as fast as ATA133? |
| 13:44.29 | BadMan | thnks paulswm |
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| 13:44.30 | greycat | oh wait, I take it back. this one's a celeron. |
| 13:44.36 | amorphix | I have a P166mmx linux laptop |
| 13:44.38 | jm_ | jak_: then your DISPLAY is not set properly (I have already mentioned it, just use sux) |
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| 13:45.01 | karsten | greycat: doc? |
| 13:45.03 | amorphix | I'm considering switching my P3 desktop to Linux |
| 13:45.06 | greycat | karsten: doctor |
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| 13:45.17 | BadMan | paulswm: what package is that located in? hdutils? |
| 13:45.30 | jim | amorphix: if you have a spare cheapo machine, you coudl possibly put it on that |
| 13:45.30 | amorphix | is there a major performance benefit to using SCSI ultrawide HDDs over ATA 133? |
| 13:45.41 | sydneyfong | BadMan, hdparm |
| 13:45.48 | jm_ | amorphix: of course, get a nice 15krpm SCSI drive |
| 13:45.50 | karsten | greycat: How'd you con a doc into accepting a P-class? |
| 13:45.50 | treestone | amorphix: scsi will always be better than ATA |
| 13:45.52 | amorphix | cool |
| 13:45.54 | BadMan | ok... apt-cache searching we will go.... |
| 13:45.55 | paulswm | badblody: hdparm |
| 13:46.09 | greycat | treestone: there's a pentium laptop under this table, too, but I suspect it's not going to be useful. you can barely see the screen, and it won't boot CDs, and it has no built-in NIC, and the PCMCIA NIC is missing its dongle, and ... |
| 13:46.09 | paulswm | badblody: sry, wrong nick |
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| 13:46.17 | DenisG | greycat: stop whining! |
| 13:46.21 | jak_ | jm_: a, it works, THX!! |
| 13:46.22 | amorphix | hehe this may sound daft but... are SCSI drives noiser with the higher spin RPM? |
| 13:46.22 | valdyn | bullshit, ultrawide scsi is ancient, as are the disks |
| 13:46.26 | DenisG | that's exactly the situation i have here ;) |
| 13:46.29 | greycat | DenisG: the point being that a pentium 3 is not "ancient". |
| 13:46.30 | jim | amorphix: hell yes... scsi is way way less cpu-intensive |
| 13:46.33 | karsten | DenisG: Heh. |
| 13:46.40 | paulswm | scsi will also be incredibly more expensive than ATA and kind of pointless for a desktop |
| 13:46.42 | amorphix | cool |
| 13:46.45 | valdyn | jim: more bullshit |
| 13:46.48 | sydneyfong | greycat: that laptop would be nice during cold winter nights..... |
| 13:46.54 | DenisG | an old Laptop with 233MHz, broken CD-ROM and Display |
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| 13:47.08 | amorphix | the only thing that bothers me is the noise, my desktop system here is very low noise and has a Maxtor low noise HDD |
| 13:47.10 | King_Brad | yes.... higher rpm = louder.... my nix box has a 2gig 10,000RPM hdd in it, ... kept me up all night last night |
| 13:47.14 | jetx | i found v/k/m yesterday, i 'know' the head is somewhere too |
| 13:47.17 | amorphix | i dont think i'd like having a noisey HDD |
| 13:47.19 | greycat | karsten: he's leaving, but he wants to be able to read data from our hospital's application at his new facility. and he doesn't have an x86 box of his own because he's a Mac user. |
| 13:47.21 | DenisG | and PCMCIA-NIC with a loose contact. |
| 13:47.28 | treestone | greycat: Heh :-) I guess mine is in slightly better shape then.. everything's ok except for the right third vertical part of the screen.. doesn't work (and the battery has no capacity anymore of course). Still, I once ported a huge IRIX multi-app to it (20MB RAM) |
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| 13:47.49 | karsten | greycat: OK. |
| 13:48.00 | amorphix | paulswm: SCSI is pointless for desktop? |
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| 13:48.19 | streuner | amorphix: too expensive |
| 13:48.21 | greycat | and we haven't ported the application to mac os x |
| 13:48.27 | amorphix | dont apple machines have SCSI as standard in their desktops |
| 13:48.32 | greycat | amorphix: they used to |
| 13:48.35 | amorphix | oh |
| 13:48.37 | paulswm | amorphix: Why would you want very expensive high speed devices, so you can load OpenOffice 3 seconds faster? |
| 13:49.00 | treestone | amorphix: SCSI is great for desktop, actually. Because you tend to do more than one thing at the time. IDE/ATA isn't particularly nice when you e.g. lock it up by doing a long 'tar', for example. SCSI will be snappier. |
| 13:49.03 | paulswm | JMO of course |
| 13:49.03 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.05 | jim | valdyn: well historically scsi has been much faster than ide of all kinds... the cpu is used to drive the ide controllers, and so when ide transfers happen, unix process block |
| 13:49.24 | simonrvn | ah, finally behaving |
| 13:49.27 | amorphix | paulswm: well im upgrading my system and just want to maximise performance, ive upgraded the memory as far as i can and now its the HDD so im just exploring best options |
| 13:49.31 | valdyn | jim: he said "ultrawide scsi" thats an ancient scsi standard, way older than ata 133 |
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| 13:49.34 | sydneyfong | treestone, isn't that argument even more so for multiuser servers |
| 13:49.38 | abel | hi all |
| 13:49.41 | jetx | simonrvn: this is the w2k fax machine |
| 13:49.46 | King_Brad | is there any way i can see how much swap space is being used? |
| 13:49.50 | greycat | karsten: free |
| 13:49.52 | greycat | King_Brad: free |
| 13:49.52 | jim | and ata 133 beats it how? |
| 13:49.52 | simonrvn | jetx: hi :) |
| 13:49.59 | valdyn | jim: so its certainly not faster, take a recent system, sure i would agree |
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| 13:50.05 | greycat | King_Brad: also, top |
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| 13:50.06 | amorphix | ata 133 outperforms SCSI ultrawide? |
| 13:50.08 | King_Brad | ahh |
| 13:50.10 | King_Brad | ty |
| 13:50.14 | paulswm | amorphix: Do a GB-per-dollar comparison, and make your own judgement based on the expected usage of your box |
| 13:50.23 | treestone | sydneyfong: Sure. But I still mourn my 18GB SCSI disk, it failed and I had to replace it with a (much bigger, higher transfer rate) IDE disk.. and my system is slower to work with. |
| 13:50.24 | valdyn | amorphix: certainly, though I dont have the specs in mind atm |
| 13:50.27 | King_Brad | 13megs |
| 13:50.28 | King_Brad | nice |
| 13:50.29 | King_Brad | heh |
| 13:50.32 | amorphix | as far as the cost goes, it comes about cheaper to have SCSI |
| 13:50.32 | karsten | greycat: and here I thought you were talking about boxen. |
| 13:50.39 | BadMan | when using hdparm to "get the info, you simply hdparm -(options) (device) what format is device to be in? hda? /dev/hda? ..... |
| 13:50.40 | King_Brad | what about ram useage? |
| 13:50.45 | amorphix | (lookin at prices on eBay for new drives) |
| 13:50.45 | greycat | King_Brad: top, free |
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| 13:50.52 | jim | valdyn: but do most ata133 controllers use the cpu? |
| 13:50.52 | King_Brad | ahh |
| 13:50.53 | King_Brad | heh |
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| 13:50.59 | sydneyfong | treestone, yea everybody could have a snappy system if $ was abundant ;-p |
| 13:51.06 | King_Brad | 47mb wow |
| 13:51.07 | valdyn | jim: barely, thanks to "dma" access |
| 13:51.08 | karsten | King_Brad: Also 'cat /proc/meminfo' |
| 13:51.14 | amorphix | i dunno |
| 13:51.16 | sydneyfong | i've personally never used any SCSI hdds though :( |
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| 13:51.23 | treestone | sydneyfong: Exactly.. it's all a question of if you need it enough to pay for it. |
| 13:51.35 | amorphix | i have scsi drives in my server, hotswap in a raid |
| 13:51.38 | jim | most scsi controllers are independent of the cpu, and that's been true from the beginning... |
| 13:51.46 | torbjorn | in general ip network theory - what is the network address good for? |
| 13:51.46 | amorphix | but never tried them in a desktop |
| 13:51.50 | torbjorn | does it serve any purpose at all? |
| 13:52.00 | streuner | meebey: lauge.de |
| 13:52.07 | jim | I dunno, maybe scsi controllers use dma |
| 13:52.08 | treestone | torbjorn: Well, routing for instance. |
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| 13:52.12 | amorphix | jim: so that would be good for my system which has older CPU eh |
| 13:52.29 | simonrvn | they do use dma, but been doing so for a long time |
| 13:52.32 | amorphix | i would need to buy a scsi controller card but they're not too expensive |
| 13:52.37 | jim | amorphix: maybe... see, it might not matter to you |
| 13:52.39 | streuner | meebey: das ist so ne Art eBay Browser, da findest du auf der linken Seite dann die populärsten Auktionen |
| 13:52.42 | King_Brad | if a nix system (debian) is runing off a scsi hdd, would the other hdd's be Hd* or sd* ?? |
| 13:52.45 | amorphix | oh |
| 13:52.49 | streuner | sorry wrong channel |
| 13:52.50 | BenDrake | Is there a way I can get linux to recognize my MP3 players expandable drive? |
| 13:52.53 | jak_ | bob2: hey. remember me? ive called for help with my nasty beep after resuming from suspend... how did you manage to get your tbp to mute? |
| 13:52.58 | simonrvn | this box has an ancient scsi chipset and it had dma |
| 13:53.04 | torbjorn | treestone: how come |
| 13:53.10 | jetx | :::STREUNER::: (wassup, byebye) |
| 13:53.12 | simonrvn | has* |
| 13:53.18 | streuner | jetx: hi |
| 13:53.19 | treestone | amorphix: I actually have an old box (PII, used to be 486) with an adaptec scsi controller and lots of disks. It works great. Eh, and the oldest disk (Fujitsu scsi) has been in constant use since 1989.. |
| 13:53.23 | bob2 | jak_: it was a bios option |
| 13:53.32 | jim | amorphix: if this is for BadAssServerThatDoesEverythingAndLotsaGameServersToo, |
| 13:53.38 | amorphix | treestone: woah |
| 13:53.41 | abel | does anyone here know some page on net where i can learn how i can do manually step by step what dpkg do when he does a dpkg -i ? |
| 13:53.50 | King_Brad | treestone, nice... |
| 13:53.56 | treestone | torbjorn: route add -net 192.168.33.0 gw gateway-to-that-net |
| 13:54.08 | jim | then you want scsi, and recent scsi... also, as much ram as you can possibly get your hands on |
| 13:54.16 | amorphix | jim: no just a workstation for graphics and designing |
| 13:54.16 | torbjorn | that cant possibly be a complete specification? |
| 13:54.23 | simonrvn | abel: strace -o /tmp/trace dpkg -i :P |
| 13:54.26 | torbjorn | i assume route assumes default netmask for that class |
| 13:54.29 | treestone | amorphix: I don't think they make (even the scsi) disks with that kind of MTBF anymore though. |
| 13:54.36 | King_Brad | treestone the server i just build is using an adaptec 2940UW scsi card and a 2gig barricuda SCSI 10,000RPM hdd :) runs awsome |
| 13:54.42 | abel | hi simonrvn and thanks |
| 13:54.48 | King_Brad | 0.01 load avg's constant |
| 13:54.49 | amorphix | ive seen the performance benefit of SCSI in a server |
| 13:54.59 | rhizod | I want gnome 2.10 !! :) |
| 13:55.00 | amorphix | the very fast access times is good for servers |
| 13:55.03 | simonrvn | beware you'll get a lot of output |
| 13:55.05 | jim | amorphix: then you want lots of ram, lots of disk space, nice fast video card and great monitor |
| 13:55.09 | greycat | !congratule King_Brad |
| 13:55.11 | greycat | !congratulate King_Brad |
| 13:55.14 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies King_Brad, you did it! |
| 13:55.19 | amorphix | maybe i should upgrade my video card then |
| 13:55.32 | amorphix | ive added 512MB ram but thats as high as i can go with this mb |
| 13:55.45 | abel | simonrv : when i launch spkg -i on my package manually the putter crash hope your commnand will not make it crash too .... |
| 13:55.48 | treestone | King_Brad: 2 gig eh? The biggest disk I have on the old system is 1GB.. the others are mostly 600MB :-) |
| 13:55.48 | King_Brad | why did the bot give me puppies? |
| 13:55.53 | King_Brad | hehehe |
| 13:55.53 | jim | amorphix: hmm... ok, that's pretty good |
| 13:55.54 | King_Brad | nice |
| 13:55.54 | SoloFlyer | only thing better than scsi hard disks is solid state |
| 13:56.02 | jim | King_Brad: cause you did it! |
| 13:56.06 | King_Brad | did what? |
| 13:56.13 | jim | dpkg: did what? |
| 13:56.19 | simonrvn | i can max out this old thing to 1 gb |
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| 13:56.33 | torbjorn | treestone: you could uniquely identify a network segment without reserving one of the addresses for netowrk address |
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| 13:57.02 | BadMan | this old shuttle is topped at 768... I think it's time to start upgrading.... |
| 13:57.20 | treestone | torbjorn: What do you mean by 'reserving one of the addresses'? You mean the .0 address (for a C-class network)? |
| 13:57.40 | jim | amorphix: what video you got now? |
| 13:57.59 | torbjorn | treestone: i mean the one address which is reserved for "network adderss" |
| 13:58.04 | torbjorn | typically the lowest address |
| 13:58.08 | torbjorn | what purpose does it serve |
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| 13:58.25 | jethro | torbjorn: read about routing |
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| 13:58.50 | amorphix | jim: Matrox MGA-G200 AGP im not sure how much VDRAM but i guess 8mb |
| 13:59.02 | treestone | torbjorn: How do you mean to identify a network? BTW that address isn't part of the network, it's what you're left with when you use all the possible addresses in that network (and remove them from the set) |
| 13:59.05 | jim | amorphix: see, you have to get into the habit from now on of always checking the hardware compatibility list before buying new hardware (and besides, your present hardware is probably ok) |
| 13:59.32 | torbjorn | treestone: how does that explain anything. |
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| 13:59.37 | amorphix | do you think i should upgrade the video card to one with 64mb ram? |
| 13:59.39 | jim | hmm, g200 w/ 8 mb? that's pretty old... but: there are drivers for that card |
| 13:59.46 | saki | Good Morning Everyone |
| 13:59.50 | jim | or 256m |
| 13:59.50 | jethro | hello saki |
| 13:59.53 | torbjorn | jethro: i know routing fairly well |
| 13:59.56 | treestone | torbjorn: Just come up with an idea for how to identify the network, to start with.. |
| 13:59.56 | jim | but later maybe |
| 14:00.02 | amorphix | ok |
| 14:00.05 | torbjorn | ipaddress/prefix |
| 14:00.10 | jim | first research it |
| 14:00.17 | torbjorn | it will uniquely identify the possible iprange for that subnett |
| 14:00.23 | jim | find out what cards have good x drivers |
| 14:00.30 | amorphix | ahh yes |
| 14:00.40 | sydneyfong | treestone: put it another way: is there any problem if i used 192.168.0.0 as my machine's ip? |
| 14:00.50 | simonrvn | yes |
| 14:00.51 | greycat | sydneyfong: depends on the netmask. |
| 14:01.05 | sydneyfong | netmask /24 |
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| 14:01.08 | sydneyfong | or /16 |
| 14:01.11 | stew | greycat: whats a netmask where that would be ok? |
| 14:01.28 | stew | /8? |
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| 14:01.31 | greycat | stew: defines the size of your subnet. |
| 14:01.40 | greycat | most people will not (and *should not*) have a /8 network |
| 14:01.45 | randomerror | Hi |
| 14:01.45 | stew | greycat: uhh, yeah, i know what a netmask is |
| 14:01.50 | torbjorn | the first and the last address are typically reserved for network and broadcast address |
| 14:01.59 | jim | that woudl be a very large net |
| 14:02.00 | torbjorn | however i can't quite see what good the network address is |
| 14:02.04 | sydneyfong | greycat: isn't the loopback network /8? |
| 14:02.06 | stew | greycat: but i don't know a netmask where 192.168.0.0 would be a valid ip address |
| 14:02.11 | treestone | torbjorn: If you want to introduce another variable to combine with the IP address, be my guest. You would have to rewrite the whole internet protocol, to start with... |
| 14:02.17 | greycat | sydneyfong: ok, other than that :) |
| 14:02.25 | torbjorn | what are you talking about? |
| 14:02.27 | jim | sydneyfong: ok, yes. but that net isn't routed |
| 14:02.28 | sydneyfong | greycat: ;-p |
| 14:02.31 | greycat | stew: anything smaller than /16 |
| 14:02.32 | torbjorn | ipaddress with netmask prefix has existed for "ages" |
| 14:02.35 | torbjorn | nothing new there |
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| 14:02.38 | valdyn | torbjorn: your network adress is used for broadcasts |
| 14:02.51 | torbjorn | why not use the broadcast address for that? |
| 14:03.02 | sml | stew: a 14 bit mask since a /15 would only allow a network and broadcast. |
| 14:03.10 | stew | greycat: but having a netspec that contained both 1918 and not 1918 would be wrong |
| 14:03.10 | torbjorn | the resemblance in naming convention is striking |
| 14:03.15 | greycat | stew: true |
| 14:03.19 | jim | is your broadcast address used for networks? |
| 14:03.24 | BadMan | did some say in here the other day the "kvirc" has a translucency to see like konsoles in backround? |
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| 14:08.25 | treestone | torbjorn: When you say 'ipaddress with netmask prefix has existed for "ages"', how will that help you with network segments and routing? |
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| 14:09.14 | torbjorn | because it allows me to identify ip network segments |
| 14:09.22 | treestone | torbjorn: How? |
| 14:09.30 | saki | can somebody educate on the what makes a distribution, distribuition (Redhat or debian) |
| 14:09.38 | torbjorn | 10.0.0.0/8, meaning 10.0.0.0-10.255.255.255 |
| 14:09.44 | greycat | !why debian |
| 14:09.45 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 14:09.51 | torbjorn | this isnt rocket science... |
| 14:09.57 | treestone | torbjorn: That definition still includes the concept of network address |
| 14:10.09 | torbjorn | possibly so |
| 14:10.14 | torbjorn | thats why it seems redundant |
| 14:10.18 | torbjorn | which is what im talking aobut |
| 14:10.52 | treestone | torbjorn: Explain. Where's the redundancy? I see only different form of notation, used as needed. |
| 14:10.57 | torbjorn | regardless how you put your network addresses to use |
| 14:11.06 | torbjorn | for example network or broadcast or computers, |
| 14:11.18 | tarzeau2 | saki: debian are about 1500 people working on it, and alot of users. public development, bug tracking and about 15000 software packages |
| 14:11.23 | torbjorn | the specification 10.0.0.0/8 cleraly specifies all addresses from 10.0.0.0 to 10.255.255.255 |
| 14:11.32 | torbjorn | explisitly identifying the starting address seems redundant |
| 14:11.39 | torbjorn | this should be fairly easy to understand. |
| 14:11.41 | greycat | tarzeau2: the problem is that it's not one team of 1500 people. It's 1500 teams of one person each. |
| 14:12.18 | directhex|work | *filed |
| 14:12.25 | treestone | torbjorn: Yesyesyes. But when you do your 'route add' command, you can, and will have to sometimes, specify the /n part as well, in order to be non-ambiguous. It's just that often it's non-ambiguous and you can leave out the /n part. |
| 14:12.34 | tarzeau2 | greycat: exactly. but some of them are teams (i work closely together with 2 and 1 people) |
| 14:12.48 | torbjorn | treestone: what does that have to do with the fundamentals of ip networking? |
| 14:12.59 | treestone | s/non// in that latest version.. |
| 14:13.03 | stew | saki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution |
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| 14:13.16 | torbjorn | ip route add 10.0.0.0/8 via 192.168.1.10 |
| 14:13.27 | torbjorn | there is a route to 10.0.0.0/8 via 192.168.1.10 |
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| 14:13.42 | torbjorn | that does not mean the 10.0.0.0 addrses couldnt exist on the 10.0.0.0/8 network |
| 14:13.44 | treestone | torbjorn: You claimed earlier, as I understood it, that you 'wasted' one IP address by having a network address concept. At least that's how I understood your argument, I may be mistaken of course. |
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| 14:13.52 | simonrvn | directhex|work: :) |
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| 14:13.56 | torbjorn | thats what im been saying continously |
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| 14:13.58 | torbjorn | so yes |
| 14:14.02 | torbjorn | no misunderstanding |
| 14:14.02 | Veselin4o | maika vi da iba daite op be :L} |
| 14:14.18 | treestone | torbjorn: Doesn't make sense. You have your network address, even when you attach that /n part. |
| 14:14.29 | torbjorn | treestone: ... and that is my problem |
| 14:14.31 | greycat | Veselin4o: this is an english speaking channel |
| 14:14.31 | torbjorn | what is unclear? |
| 14:14.41 | torbjorn | treestone: supposed i want to name all persons from age 20 to age 29 |
| 14:14.46 | torbjorn | an di say people in their 20'ies |
| 14:14.49 | directhex|work | simonrvn, unfortunately, i'm relying on rdonald@debian.org to apply the patch & close the bug, and seeing as how he didn't even reply to said RC sarge bug in a 45 day period, i doubt ths will be resolved without a NMU |
| 14:14.52 | torbjorn | does that magically exlude those aged 20? |
| 14:15.00 | Veselin4o | greycat i ko ma ebe :) OKey i speek english very Well :} |
| 14:15.01 | sydneyfong | treestone: i tihnk he wants to know the USE of the network address. |
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| 14:15.03 | simonrvn | directhex|work: :/ |
| 14:15.05 | torbjorn | or does that notation mean that noone can be aged 20? |
| 14:15.16 | treestone | torbjorn: Stick to networks, that's more relevant. |
| 14:15.20 | torbjorn | sure |
| 14:15.20 | greycat | torbjorn: apples and orangutans. |
| 14:15.21 | torbjorn | np |
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| 14:15.34 | torbjorn | treestone: i dont get what you dont get |
| 14:15.41 | treestone | sydneyfong: I don't know how to explain that further to him, as he's still using it in his network/prefix example.. |
| 14:15.42 | torbjorn | i say the netowrk address holds redundant information |
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| 14:15.49 | directhex|work | simonrvn, it's pretty trivial, it's just a 6-line change to debian/control |
| 14:16.01 | torbjorn | treestone: you agree the 10.0.0.0/8 notation clearly identifies the lowest address |
| 14:16.12 | torbjorn | by convention this lowest address is used for the network address |
| 14:16.18 | treestone | torbjorn: 10.0.0.0 is a network address. If you add /8 there's still nothing you can remove from in front of / |
| 14:16.19 | Veselin4o | vie ste MAngali :} |
| 14:16.34 | stew | directhex|work: you might wanna drop a line in #debian-bugs and see if someone there wants to nmu it |
| 14:16.34 | simonrvn | directhex|work: so get someone to nmu it if you can't |
| 14:16.52 | torbjorn | what does removing infront of / have to do with anything? |
| 14:17.03 | directhex|work | simonm, i'll let it fester for a week or so first, i only just mailed the follow-up |
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| 14:17.10 | treestone | torbjorn: 10.0.0.0 is a network address. What is redundant, is what I'm asking. |
| 14:17.17 | simonrvn | directhex|work: sure |
| 14:17.17 | trailer | hi all |
| 14:17.19 | torbjorn | treestone: 10.0.0.0 is an ipaddress |
| 14:17.23 | trailer | i need really help |
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| 14:17.39 | trailer | if somebody can help me plz queryx me |
| 14:17.40 | torbjorn | without the netmask or further informaion you don't know if its a network address |
| 14:17.41 | treestone | torbjorn: That's where you're wrong, it's a network address. 10.0.0.1 would be an IP address. |
| 14:17.44 | Quag7 | Yes I know the feeling trailer. |
| 14:17.45 | torbjorn | by convention, its a class A network |
| 14:17.49 | trailer | lol |
| 14:17.52 | zinx | treestone: 10.0.0.0 is an IP address too |
| 14:17.54 | Quag7 | You should just ask your question trailer. |
| 14:17.57 | Ronin | trailer: jsut tell us the problem |
| 14:18.02 | trailer | now the problem is after i make ./Config |
| 14:18.03 | zinx | treestone: 10.0.0.0/8 would be the IP address |
| 14:18.06 | zinx | erh |
| 14:18.06 | trailer | i type make |
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| 14:18.11 | torbjorn | zinx: what? |
| 14:18.12 | zinx | treestone: 10.0.0.0/8 would be the network address :P |
| 14:18.16 | torbjorn | ah yes |
| 14:18.18 | trailer | but it says there is no gcc comppiler found |
| 14:18.23 | trailer | its an debian woodys |
| 14:18.24 | torbjorn | treestone: so the network address is not an ip address? |
| 14:18.27 | torbjorn | please explain that to me |
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| 14:18.32 | Quag7 | apt-get install make |
| 14:18.33 | SlayerXP | Veselin4o: why are you sending me private messages? I charge for private consultancy. |
| 14:18.35 | zinx | treestone: there's also a "network address", proper, which is also an IP address |
| 14:18.35 | Quag7 | is one place |
| 14:18.38 | Quag7 | yuo could start |
| 14:18.38 | Quag7 | and then gcc |
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| 14:18.46 | Supaplex | my primary display in X11 is working fine. How do I setup a second card+monitor? I don't know the HorizSync/VertRefresh for my NEC LCD 1400m and I'm not finding anything online about it |
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| 14:18.48 | Quag7 | Debian doesn't install those basic things as part of the main install like other distros do. |
| 14:18.50 | simonrvn | @b-e trailer |
| 14:18.52 | drac | !b-e trailer |
| 14:18.53 | dpkg | trailer: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 14:18.58 | zinx | treestone: there's nothing stopping you (apart from crappy operating systems) from having a computer sitting on 10.0.0.0 or 10.255.255.255 |
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| 14:19.03 | Quag7 | There is a package that contains it all? |
| 14:19.11 | Quag7 | I always go through manually and haphazardly |
| 14:19.24 | treestone | zinx: 10.0.0.0 in that context would still be the network (you couldn't set your NIC to that and expect it to work) (well actually, in the older times the network address were sometimes used for broadcasting) |
| 14:19.29 | BadMan | hmm kvirc is much nicer to look at, but I like the "auto-connect features of ksirc.... |
| 14:19.32 | torbjorn | trailer: would you say 1.2.3.4 is an ipaddress or a network address? |
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| 14:19.36 | zinx | treestone: Yes you *CAN* |
| 14:19.47 | torbjorn | trailer: sure, its easy |
| 14:19.53 | sydneyfong | zinx: when I asked a few moments ago, everybody said that i couldn't have address like 192.168.0.0 |
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| 14:20.04 | zinx | sydneyfong: you shouldn't, but you can :P |
| 14:20.06 | greycat | sydneyfong: that particular one is bad. don't use it. |
| 14:20.06 | treestone | zinx: But who would you talk to, and how would you expect the computers around you to get their routing sane ;-) |
| 14:20.12 | Supaplex | sydneyfong: you can, but it's not idea or a best practice |
| 14:20.13 | directhex|work | simonrvn, are RC bugged packages automatically removed from sarge after a certain length of time? i'm positive nvclock used to be in sarge, and now it's not, without any commentry in the bug |
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| 14:20.27 | abel | well, back to my primary question , does anyone know a page on internet where i can found what job do exactely dpkg -i and how i can do it manualy instead of it. simonrv the strace don't work cause dpkg lead my putter to crash so the file contains nothing more than what dpkg have done before the crash. ie: quasi-nothing. |
| 14:20.28 | zinx | sydneyfong: some older versions of windows will not send to IPs with a 0 anywhere in them, or a 255 anywhere in them |
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| 14:20.32 | torbjorn | treestone: try this: ip address add 10.0.0.0/6 dev eth0 brd + scope global |
| 14:20.34 | sydneyfong | why "shouldn't" i? what problems would i expect to see if i did so? |
| 14:20.40 | zinx | syndey: those versions of windows are completely bogus in their handling :/ |
| 14:20.43 | torbjorn | treestone: then try this: ipcalc -n 10.0.0.0/6 |
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| 14:21.06 | torbjorn | it shows you the network address for the interface which you just gave the ipaddress 10.0.0.0 |
| 14:21.06 | greycat | sydneyfong: because you'd have to have a netmask "smaller" than /16 and then your network would overlap both the 192.168.0.0/16 reserved space, and the 192.167.0.0/16 non-reserved space. |
| 14:21.15 | torbjorn | the fully functional ip address 10.0.0.0 i might add |
| 14:21.21 | greycat | sydneyfong: so that would be bad. don't do it. |
| 14:21.27 | simonrvn | directhex|work: can't remember. they are archived, but i don't remember the criteria |
| 14:21.30 | Supaplex | sydneyfong: if you're that decided to try it, then do so. you've heard enough from us already, so either do it, or dont. *g* |
| 14:21.40 | sydneyfong | -.-|||0 |
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| 14:22.00 | sydneyfong | at least i didn't talk as much as torbjorn ;-p |
| 14:22.02 | torbjorn | treestone: anyway, what it gets back to, is that any ipaddress is a 32 bit number |
| 14:22.13 | simonrvn | ipv4 |
| 14:22.17 | torbjorn | by convention netmasks have leading 1's and trailing 0's and nothing else |
| 14:22.19 | torbjorn | ipv4 yes |
| 14:22.36 | torbjorn | .. this scheme explisitly (by binary mathematics) defines a range of addresses |
| 14:22.48 | torbjorn | including the starting and ending address |
| 14:22.48 | De_Mon | whats the webpage that has a "use google you moron" type page that gives search results? |
| 14:22.50 | treestone | torbjorn: Sure you can do all those calculations, you would still get into routing trouble. Unless you have a very, very small setup. And since NAT arrived I'm not in desperate need of one more IP address either.. |
| 14:22.56 | greycat | !fgi |
| 14:22.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
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| 14:23.01 | De_Mon | ahh yes |
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| 14:23.10 | torbjorn | treestone: this is a purely hyphothetical discussion |
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| 14:23.14 | zinx | treestone: so eh, what do you want to do anyway? |
| 14:23.23 | torbjorn | zinx: i want to do something |
| 14:23.30 | zinx | oh? |
| 14:23.33 | torbjorn | treestone: explains to me why i dont want to do oit |
| 14:23.35 | zinx | torbjorn: then what do you want to do? :/ |
| 14:23.35 | treestone | torbjorn: The 'leading 1's is because it's a _mask_. |
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| 14:23.42 | simonrvn | everyone wants to do something ;) |
| 14:23.46 | torbjorn | treestone: i know all about ipnetwork parameters |
| 14:23.52 | torbjorn | what i dont know, is the informational value of the network address |
| 14:23.52 | BadMan | mañana |
| 14:24.11 | jethro | mañana no e pan |
| 14:24.13 | torbjorn | treestone: you have to agree that an ipaddress with a netmask, explicitly defines a range of ipaddresses? |
| 14:24.23 | torbjorn | no magic in there? |
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| 14:24.34 | zinx | torbjorn: along with the netmask, it provides all the IPs in the network, or more directly a way to tell if an IP is in the network |
| 14:24.38 | torbjorn | zinx: i want to find out what the network addrses is good for |
| 14:24.42 | treestone | torbjorn: If you want to mess with your network, fee free. There's no reason for me to. However, I've seen networks where people did trick like that by accident and they sure got network problems. |
| 14:24.53 | treestone | tricks* |
| 14:25.06 | torbjorn | treestone: please, this is a purely hyphothetical diskussion, im asking about hte general value about the network address |
| 14:25.07 | zinx | torbjorn: if ((IP & netmask) == network address) then the IP is on the same network |
| 14:25.07 | greister | register <zwmzhk> |
| 14:25.12 | torbjorn | please leave practical concerns out of this |
| 14:25.17 | torbjorn | zinx: yes yes yes |
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| 14:25.45 | zinx | torbjorn: it's not really used for anything else anymore... |
| 14:25.53 | sydneyfong | torbjorn: that depends on how practical you want to be ;-p |
| 14:25.57 | torbjorn | ;) |
| 14:26.01 | treestone | torbjorn: About that definition -- I don't consider a number with a netmask as an IP address, to me that defines a network. |
| 14:26.05 | zinx | (and, really, it may not be used for that depending on your OS) |
| 14:26.16 | torbjorn | treestone: then you will shoot off your legs on a daily basis |
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| 14:26.29 | treestone | torbjorn: I think not.. quite the opposite, really. |
| 14:26.55 | simonrvn | um, various ip stacks would agree with treestone i think |
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| 14:27.49 | sydneyfong | so there's nothing in IPv4 that says you can't have a machine with a 10.0.0.0 address (ok i'm done with 192.168.0.0 ;-p), but a lot of implementations do? |
| 14:28.00 | RRT | Hi group, I'm trying to get wireless added to my home network and came home with a dlink router/dwl-g630 cardbus adapter. Was that a mistake as I am having difficulty getting it to work. Seems to be lack of drivers for it. Is there a card that is recommended? |
| 14:28.02 | torbjorn | phone, brb |
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| 14:28.16 | LordFrith | sydneyfong: The .0 is usually the router. |
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| 14:28.40 | treestone | sydneyfong: let's say there's often nothing stopping you from giving your NIC whatever IP value you want.. doesn't mean it will talk nicely to the rest of the world though. |
| 14:28.50 | treestone | LordFrith: No, it's not. |
| 14:28.58 | torbjorn | treestone: as long as you are on typical, "nice" networks, with /8, /16 or /24 netmasks, you are fine |
| 14:29.02 | stew | torbjorn: what you can do is use the network address as your broadcast address also instead of using the highest number ip as broadcast, but you'd have to make sure every machine on your network agrees on this |
| 14:29.15 | torbjorn | stew: good point |
| 14:29.20 | wpostma | Is there a way to generate a /boot/grub/grub.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst automatically? I am trying to change from lilo to grub. I did this once before. I thought there should be a grub.conf in /etc or /boot. |
| 14:29.30 | wpostma | I am using sarge. |
| 14:29.40 | xam | wpostma: man update-grub |
| 14:29.51 | treestone | stew: Exactly. That's the only practical way I can think of of "saving" one IP address for other purposes. It was used in the past, particularly on BSD systems IIRC. |
| 14:29.55 | karsten | wpostma: 'grub-install' |
| 14:30.03 | wpostma | oh. Tnx. :-) |
| 14:30.13 | karsten | wpostma: sets it up, generally pretty sane, you may have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 14:30.56 | karsten | simonrvn: Give him a /32! |
| 14:30.57 | torbjorn | treestone: i was mistaken with the shooting off legs comment, |
| 14:30.59 | torbjorn | i agree, |
| 14:31.21 | treestone | I use /27 around here |
| 14:31.24 | torbjorn | concidering an ipaddress with a network mask as a handle for network ranges is fair |
| 14:31.36 | zinx | i only have a /48 :( |
| 14:31.41 | Snadder | anyone know how I can test whats wrong with a networking card? |
| 14:31.56 | torbjorn | treestone: then again, 10.0.0.1/8 - would you concider that a network addrses too? |
| 14:31.58 | karsten | Keeps everyone on their toes. |
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| 14:32.04 | greycat | torbjorn: that's nonsensical |
| 14:32.04 | simonrvn | /28, /32, /48 |
| 14:32.05 | Snadder | I cant see any arp adresses on that networking card.. |
| 14:32.10 | torbjorn | greycat: indeed |
| 14:32.16 | Snadder | and tcpdump dosnt give any data |
| 14:32.18 | simonrvn | (not counting the lan and lo) |
| 14:32.22 | treestone | torbjorn: No. |
| 14:32.26 | Sharcho | Is there a way to find orphaned packages that are no longer needed? |
| 14:32.31 | Snadder | but I still manage to set an static ip |
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| 14:32.32 | greycat | Sharcho: deborphan, debfoster |
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| 14:32.42 | torbjorn | treestone: so its only ipaddress/mask where the ipaddress is the lowest alloable address that you concider a network address? |
| 14:32.47 | Sharcho | greycat, thanks |
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| 14:33.01 | torbjorn | in other words, a small moderation to the above comment of yours, |
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| 14:33.22 | Snadder | maybe I got something wrong with some kinda drivers |
| 14:33.24 | karsten | torbjorn: aptitude install aggregate; man aggregate. And STFU for a while. |
| 14:33.34 | Snadder | I just switched mainboard.. |
| 14:33.41 | torbjorn | and in other words, you manually calculate the lowest address, specified by the ipaddress/netmask specification, before you make up your mind if this is a netowrk address or not |
| 14:33.43 | simonrvn | karsten: thank you |
| 14:33.48 | torbjorn | ah well |
| 14:33.53 | directhex|work | Snadder, how recent is the hardare, what version of debian? |
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| 14:34.14 | torbjorn | i conclude to myself, that the network address serves no logically needed purpose in todays ipv4 network implementations then |
| 14:34.33 | torbjorn | or the convention of reserving the lowest address possibly for the network addrses. |
| 14:34.41 | f00bar | if im doing a system() call from C is there any way I can monitor the output of the program being called? |
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| 14:34.50 | Snadder | directhex|work, I use debian stable.. with a custom compiled kernel.. |
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| 14:34.58 | simonrvn | @tell valmet -about root |
| 14:35.05 | BadMan | RRT: I think I metnioned yesterday bout the 3com model I am using working fine with prism drivers |
| 14:35.33 | treestone | torbjorn: Write up an RFC and submit it to the IETF |
| 14:35.38 | sydneyfong | lol |
| 14:35.43 | Snadder | directhex|work, its a realtek card which dosnt work: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139 (rev 10) |
| 14:35.49 | greycat | f00bar: look into popen() |
| 14:36.03 | abel | ok , all i have unpacked a .deb file with ar it seems like there is nothing more within than a few info and an image of the system with the file of the package at the right place... if i copy myself those file to their real location and i find a command to make debian accept that the package is installed, he will be ? |
| 14:36.14 | Snadder | directhex|work, but my 3com networking card works |
| 14:36.21 | jm_ | f00bar: popen() or fork+exec+dup |
| 14:36.22 | torbjorn | treestone: you mentioned briefly about earlier versions of BSD using network addresses for something - do you remember anything more about that? |
| 14:36.26 | directhex|work | !tell Snadder about debian kernel image |
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| 14:36.42 | mtnman | abel: why not just dpkg -i thefile.deb |
| 14:36.43 | mtnman | ? |
| 14:37.06 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 14:37.17 | zignig | what does Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! mean when I try to run firefox ? |
| 14:37.21 | simonrvn | multi-homed |
| 14:37.22 | abel | mtnman : cause ddpkg -i myfile cause my putter to freeze may-be |
| 14:37.27 | treestone | torbjorn: Say you have a 192.168.1.0 network. These days you would use 192.168.1.255 for broadcasting, but those systems could use 192.168.1.0 for broadcasting instead, thus leaving the .255 address as an IP address you could assign to someone. |
| 14:37.37 | torbjorn | i see |
| 14:37.41 | simonrvn | zignig: rm your ~/.Xauthority file |
| 14:37.42 | zignig | simonrvn: multi-homed is a pain to set up. |
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| 14:37.51 | sydneyfong | treestone, that behavior is not defined in the RFC? |
| 14:37.54 | mtnman | abel: dunno what you mean my "cause to freeze may-be" |
| 14:37.55 | torbjorn | basically what zinx mentioned |
| 14:38.05 | sml | anyone know why after following the nvidia stuff to the T, my X causes linux to hang on startup. module matches kernel version , and everything has been done in accordance to http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html, perhaps this is just one of those things that will never work! |
| 14:38.05 | sydneyfong | (or whatever relevant standard) |
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| 14:38.07 | zignig | simonrvn: refused but Xserver.... |
| 14:38.21 | zignig | s/but/by |
| 14:38.22 | treestone | sydneyfong: Don't know actually, I haven't seen it described (it could be, for all I know), but I know it was in actual use. |
| 14:38.30 | sml | hang on startup = hangs after "startx", the log /var/log/XF... looks ok. |
| 14:38.41 | abel | mtnman : i means that when i launch my dpkg -i myfile commands, my putter freeze in the 10s following :( |
| 14:38.49 | simonrvn | zignig: kill your x session, rm the Xauthority file, then start up your x session |
| 14:38.55 | torbjorn | karsten: a route, in its nature being a range of ipaddresses, shouldnt need an explicit address to identify it. when a good range notation is already available: ip.address/bitmask |
| 14:38.59 | torbjorn | but ill let it rest |
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| 14:39.14 | simonrvn | finally |
| 14:39.17 | valmet | how do i change mouse port_ |
| 14:39.33 | stew | sml: could it be your WM/DE? what happens if you start without an .xinitrc? |
| 14:39.34 | mtnman | abel: what does a frozen golf club have to do with anything? |
| 14:39.35 | jm_ | sml: read the README (troubleshooting section), #nvidia might help you better |
| 14:39.37 | abel | mtnman : so fir this packet i have do the job by myself and to force debian to accept it's done |
| 14:39.44 | sydneyfong | thanks guys for the discussion ;-p |
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| 14:40.26 | sml | jm_: have read the troubleshooting section. |
| 14:40.38 | jm_ | sml: so you did all they tell you to do? |
| 14:40.43 | valmet | test |
| 14:40.43 | sml | stew: I doubt it because it works ok if I change the driver to nv. |
| 14:40.50 | abel | mtnman : sorry a putter freeze is a computer hang. all my screen is just hold and nothing works anymore |
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| 14:40.59 | stew | abel: did you run memtest86? |
| 14:41.24 | sml | jm_: I did. in fact i tried methods i, and ii. I'm sure i've done everything properly. I've even "undone" everything, and started from fresh a few times too. |
| 14:41.30 | abel | stew : yes 6000 err in a few sec but i have a new perfect ram now ... |
| 14:41.36 | mtnman | abel: did you try ctl-alt-[f1-f6] to open a virtual console to check what is happening on your system? |
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| 14:41.56 | stew | abel: did you run memtest86 with the new ram (to see if was the ram or the MB) |
| 14:42.14 | jm_ | sml: as in APPENDIX F? |
| 14:42.14 | mtnman | abel: stew has a point. |
| 14:42.21 | abel | mtnman: i can swith to the alternate console but i can't log under them when the putter hanging ... |
| 14:42.22 | SoloFlyer | cya |
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| 14:42.32 | abel | stew : yes the ram is perfect |
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| 14:42.44 | sml | jm_: Ok let me go see what's in APPENDIX F. |
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| 14:42.50 | abel | stew : i think some file have been corrupted duding the use of the bad ram |
| 14:43.03 | misfitx7 | how do i manually close a port |
| 14:43.08 | abel | stew : i think some file have been corrupted during the use of the bad ram |
| 14:43.14 | mtnman | abel: what vintage is your motherboard? |
| 14:43.15 | stew | abel: maybe debsums would tell you. or maybe /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 14:43.20 | greycat | misfitx7: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 14:43.26 | jm_ | msfit;apt-cache show cutter |
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| 14:43.29 | greycat | misfitx7: remove the software that's listening on it |
| 14:43.38 | jm_ | ahh he probably meant listening port anyway |
| 14:43.49 | sml | stew: I read everything in http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/troubleshooting.html however I don't see an Appendix F. |
| 14:43.51 | abel | mtnman : A7N8X-E delux |
| 14:44.01 | greycat | jm_: he suffers from nmap poisoning. |
| 14:44.07 | jm_ | greycat: hehe |
| 14:44.11 | mtnman | abel: that model number means nothing to me. how old is the board? |
| 14:44.18 | stew | sml: i think you meant that for jm_ |
| 14:44.35 | sml | erm jm ^ |
| 14:44.36 | jm_ | sml: /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA*/README |
| 14:44.36 | sml | stew: :) |
| 14:44.40 | abel | stew : debsums i don't know, i check man debsums. what do u means by /msg spkg reinstall ? |
| 14:44.57 | abel | mtnman : the motherboard have 1 month. |
| 14:45.15 | stew | abel: type this into your irc client: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 14:45.22 | greycat | that first pipeline in the "reinstall" factoid is a royal mess. |
| 14:45.32 | stew | !reinstall |
| 14:45.32 | dpkg | i guess reinstall is grep -B1 installed /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 14:45.33 | gothtec | I need a simple console-based program that can play wave files (.wav). Any suggestions? |
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| 14:45.57 | greycat | gothtec: "play" in sox. |
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| 14:46.12 | KursK | I don't get it...where do I have to set the umask so it also will be applied in X? I use Gnome but I hope there is a global cfg file |
| 14:46.30 | KursK | already tried /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs |
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| 14:46.47 | greycat | dpkg, no, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 14:46.47 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 14:47.05 | greycat | or would we want to exclude held packages? hmm... |
| 14:47.09 | jm_ | KursK: profile is only read for login shells |
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| 14:47.21 | greycat | !wikifaq KursK DotFiles |
| 14:47.22 | dpkg | KursK: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:47.28 | sml | jm_: under that hierarchy i have only one readme in any of the nvidia dirs and that is /usr/share/doc/nvidia-settings/examples/samples/README |
| 14:47.37 | Humbe | but non-login shells inherit the UMASK from the last login shell if not reset.. |
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| 14:47.51 | sml | jm_: (and there is no appendix f) |
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| 14:47.56 | KursK | thx greycat |
| 14:48.01 | KursK | and login.defs? |
| 14:48.03 | greycat | Humbe: trace it all the way back. |
| 14:48.09 | abel | stew : just done a debsums ... it's long , i have a few failed... |
| 14:48.15 | greycat | KursK: login.defs is only read by login. |
| 14:48.19 | greycat | KursK: gdm != login |
| 14:48.24 | KursK | mh okay |
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| 14:48.42 | jm_ | sml: well I don't use Debian's tools to create .deb and then install resulting pakcage - I install their driver manually and it ends up in that dir, maybe check where does it put the README |
| 14:48.43 | greycat | Humbe: a user who logs in with gdm *has no login shell* anywhere in his whole process tree. |
| 14:48.46 | KursK | greycat, oh okay so it might be a kdm/gdm-file |
| 14:49.01 | Humbe | Jees.. he doesn't?.. Well well.. :) |
| 14:49.04 | KursK | it's hard to find out where to put the umask, this should be changed in some way in my opinion |
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| 14:49.09 | gothtec | greycat: yay! thanks |
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| 14:49.34 | abel | stew : do u know if there is a dpkg/apt option that force debian to accept that a package is installed ? |
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| 14:49.55 | bwlang | i'd like to get an opinion on whether sane-utils is a bad package or if i'm doing something wrong... |
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| 14:50.06 | sml | jm_: I basically did what's in the "one liner" however I did it this way after trying to use a pre-made kernel module via a package, coz I found one that matched my kernel version. I get the same result trying both methods: X starts , hangs, I have to reboot my box. I dunno what to do really lol. |
| 14:50.16 | zinx | bwlang: depends on what problem you're having with it |
| 14:50.20 | jm_ | sml: you can also find it on their web page |
| 14:50.38 | jm_ | it actually points to the FTP site |
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| 14:50.51 | bwlang | when i run saned from inetd as saned.saned i get an immediate disconnection ... the user that sane-utils created has a shell of /bin/false... if i change that to /bin/sh then it works. |
| 14:51.05 | jm_ | sml: you need to read appendix F and experiment with AGP options, that's what's usually causing instability problems |
| 14:51.13 | jm_ | or stability problems ;) |
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| 14:51.34 | greycat | !wikifaq Humbe DotFiles |
| 14:51.35 | dpkg | Humbe: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:51.52 | sml | jm_: ok... is this the readme for the module or for the binary drivers ? |
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| 14:52.09 | KursK | huh can you reach linuks.mine.nu? |
| 14:52.11 | sml | jm_: as for instability problems I do quite well by myself ;) |
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| 14:52.34 | stew | !reinstall =~ s_perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'_awk '/:/{print $2}_ |
| 14:52.36 | jm_ | sml: it's the readme that comes with nvidia's driver package - www.nvidia.com -> drivers -> linux, click on your version, you'll see a link to the readme |
| 14:52.46 | amorphix | damn, my system bios can only support 33GB HDD :-( |
| 14:52.46 | stew | hrm |
| 14:52.47 | greycat | KursK: if it's down, blame tarzeau2 |
| 14:52.48 | BadMan | sml: donthop around on it, just do "The Debian Way" start to finish. |
| 14:52.54 | stew | dpkg: reinstall =~ s_perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'_awk '/:/{print $2}_ |
| 14:52.59 | greycat | stew: I nuked it. |
| 14:53.05 | greycat | !+reinstall |
| 14:53.05 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 14:53.06 | bwlang | zinx: i was too slow on the keyboard... did you see my clarification? do you think the package is wrong or am i confused |
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| 14:53.40 | zinx | bwlang: are you running saned manually? |
| 14:53.40 | stew | greycat: looks good to me |
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| 14:54.22 | BenDrake | hey all, would you be able to help me with a problem? |
| 14:54.34 | simonrvn | dude, just ask |
| 14:54.42 | zinx | bwlang: perhaps the package should set it up to run automatically :/ |
| 14:54.43 | BenDrake | ahh, thanks |
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| 14:54.53 | amorphix | in my PC's userguide it says fitting a hdd > 33.8GB will "hang that boot" is that likely to be a bios or os limitation? |
| 14:54.54 | zinx | bwlang: might talk with the package's maintainer |
| 14:55.05 | jm_ | amorphix: BIOS |
| 14:55.08 | amorphix | damn |
| 14:55.15 | directhex|work | amorphix, could be either |
| 14:55.17 | simonrvn | bios. hardly os (if linux) |
| 14:55.24 | valdyn | amorphix: linux doesnt (always) care what your bios supports. |
| 14:55.26 | BadMan | amorphix: yeah flash your bios(if available) don't forget to make a backup |
| 14:55.30 | directhex|work | amorphix, it might hang windows of the era of this hardware |
| 14:55.31 | amorphix | well the system is shipped with Windows |
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| 14:55.50 | jm_ | I have such problem in my machine, I just load the kernel from CD, Linux works OK after that |
| 14:55.56 | BenDrake | I got myself a RCA Lyra MP3 player. and Linux picks it up as sda1. But it also takes a SD card, and the SD card memory isnt being recognised. |
| 14:56.03 | amorphix | im wondering if i could get away with Linux and bigger hdd, theres no bios flash available :-/ |
| 14:56.08 | directhex|work | amorphix, i've seen some bioses which simply refuse to POST with disks that big, but if the bios can be ignored, a recent kernel will see the full disk capacity |
| 14:56.50 | amorphix | phew |
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| 14:56.57 | Kerr | how can i use cron to check that sshd is running, then start it if it's not? I know adding * * * * * /etc/init.d/ssh start to root's crontab will start it every minute.. but that is messy. I'm truly lost. |
| 14:56.57 | greycat | tarzeau2: Wiki's down (connections time out) |
| 14:57.01 | greycat | tarzeau2: DNS issue? |
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| 14:57.16 | greycat | Kerr: don't. don't do it that way. |
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| 14:57.35 | jm_ | greycat: earlier he said there were problems with AC power |
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| 14:57.48 | sml | BadMan: I did. |
| 14:58.00 | BadMan | man it rained all night here, suprised my power didnt go out.. oh well, I slept like a baby.... |
| 14:58.21 | sml | BadMan: I did do it the debian way, in fact I tried doing two different methods as I said before. The problem is a stability issue not whether it works or not. Crashes my entire box. |
| 14:58.37 | greycat | Kerr: either use runit or daemontools, or put a respawn line in inittab, or write a little script that does "while true; do sshd -d >somelogfile 2>&1; done" (nohupped) and run that at boot instead of the current init.d/ssh |
| 14:58.48 | BenDrake | is there a way, i can get debian to pick up the other 'drive' on the player? |
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| 14:59.21 | greycat | Kerr: cron is the *worst* possible way to "monitor a daemon". |
| 14:59.22 | saabin | hello |
| 14:59.26 | saabin | at top of the page of fax I have "^hZ7405551212." How can I extract fax number as "7405551212" |
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| 14:59.48 | greycat | saabin: white-out. |
| 14:59.52 | bwlang | zinx: i'm running saned from inetd and allowing users to scan over the network... I think i'll file the bug and let the maintainer decide what should happen. - thanks for your reply |
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| 15:00.20 | BadMan | sml is there anything in /var/log/XFree86.log.0? |
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| 15:00.44 | sydneyfong | greycat: why is cron so bad at that? |
| 15:00.55 | saabin | greycat: whiteout is available only for MS Windows. How in Linux comand? |
| 15:01.05 | bwlang | Kerr: you might consider using svscan - http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/svscan.html |
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| 15:01.21 | greycat | saabin: linux can't see pieces of paper. |
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| 15:01.33 | greycat | saabin: did you mean to say "I have the following string in the variable FOO..."? |
| 15:01.37 | sml | BadMan: nothing that would imply a problem |
| 15:01.50 | greycat | saabin: if so: echo ${FOO//[^0-9]/} |
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| 15:02.48 | BadMan | sml: paste your xfree86.log.0 to the paster at http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 15:03.17 | Chameleon22 | how would i go about manually (via a console) burning a dvd iso? |
| 15:03.23 | abel | well , in the man dpkg page, there is a list of package status : installed, half-installed, not-installed, etc does anyone know a command who force debian to set a status as whishes ? |
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| 15:03.49 | greycat | abel: don't even think about it. |
| 15:03.52 | Sentia | <-- pulling hair out, does anyone know of a site which explains how to configure php4 + apache2 + debian sarge |
| 15:04.10 | greycat | Chameleon22: try dvd+rw-tools |
| 15:04.13 | greycat | Chameleon22: man growisofs |
| 15:04.37 | trailer | need somebody who can make me unreal.config |
| 15:04.45 | f00bar | Chameleon22: cdrecord works fine for me |
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| 15:04.48 | abel | greycat : do u know my probleme and do u see any other thing that can solve it. I have a package install , but debian don't see it |
| 15:04.51 | f00bar | Chameleon22: same syntax as with a cd |
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| 15:05.02 | greycat | abel: reinstall it. |
| 15:05.12 | greycat | abel: and for GOD'S sake stop talking like a 13 year old on crack. |
| 15:05.16 | Chameleon22 | f00bar: ye i completely blanked on the syntax :( |
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| 15:05.46 | aardvark | greycat: maybe he is a 13 year old on crack |
| 15:05.47 | trailer | does somebody know where ican download anope ? |
| 15:05.52 | f00bar | cdrecord dev=/dev/dvd speed=16 myiso.iso |
| 15:06.00 | f00bar | you might want to do it |
| 15:06.04 | f00bar | cdrecord -vv blah |
| 15:06.10 | f00bar | to see what's going on |
| 15:06.18 | greycat | f00bar: it's *highly* unlikely that cdrecord will work on his DVD. |
| 15:06.24 | f00bar | greycat: why? |
| 15:06.30 | abel | greycat: reinstall --> computer hangs , nothing works anymore then and i need to reboot. And , hum english is not my first language, i do what i can. |
| 15:06.31 | greycat | f00bar: unless he happens to have cdrecord -> cdrecord-ProDVD |
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| 15:06.46 | f00bar | hm |
| 15:06.48 | greycat | abel: reinstalling the package makes the entire computer hang? |
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| 15:06.56 | greycat | abel: my god. fix the hardware. |
| 15:07.00 | Chameleon22 | f00bar: thanks |
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| 15:07.19 | sanxiyn | eDitor seems to be a spambot. |
| 15:07.24 | greycat | f00bar: it's even more unlikely that he can write DVDs at 16x. |
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| 15:07.35 | f00bar | greycat: heh that was an example obviously |
| 15:07.42 | simonrvn | it is |
| 15:07.50 | simonrvn | eDitor is a spam bot |
| 15:07.53 | BadMan | sanxiyn: use !ops eDitor is spamming |
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| 15:08.06 | f00bar | cdrecord speed=3.14159 myiso.iso |
| 15:08.10 | sanxiyn | http://ianmurdock.com/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=244 |
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| 15:08.17 | sanxiyn | I am now amazed by amount of cluelessness there can be. |
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| 15:08.22 | sml | BadMan: you still there ? |
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| 15:08.29 | BadMan | sml: yeah |
| 15:08.31 | simonrvn | mt? eew |
| 15:09.11 | nomeata | Hi. Is there a way to use the d-i from a different linux system? In my case, a small linux system booted via network? Or do I have to use the debootstrap-method? |
| 15:09.24 | abel | greycat: the hardware is supposed to be good now . yes the entire computer hang . i have never seen that under linux. More precisely, i have a few second where i can still use my windows, then one minutes where no systems commands works anymore, no xterm, no ps , etc. but i still can write and do some basic commands , then the screen freeze and i can't do nothing. |
| 15:09.31 | greycat | nomeata: you must cause linux to be executed. somehow. |
| 15:09.41 | tedboer | Hello. My exim server all of a sudden started relaying for a host that is sending SPAM. I don't understand why, because I have relaying supposedly closed. I recorded the SMTP transaction with tcpflow, and if I try to reproduce it from an outside host, relaying is denied. So I really do not understand how they get through... :-( Any suggestions? |
| 15:09.50 | greycat | abel: does it hang when X is *not* running also? |
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| 15:10.08 | sml | BadMan: ok i'll paste my output to that url |
| 15:10.09 | nomeata | greycat: well, linux is running, I just can't boot anything. Maybe clearer: Can I use d-i from a different userspace? |
| 15:10.13 | abel | greycat : yes, i have try a console login |
| 15:10.19 | sml | BadMan: i just had to enable ssh on the box.. I can paste it from here now. |
| 15:10.28 | greycat | !dict integrist |
| 15:10.30 | dpkg | could not find definition for integrist |
| 15:10.35 | nomeata | greycat: (anything but _that_ small system, for course) |
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| 15:10.42 | DutchFish | tedboer why do you use exim & not postfix? |
| 15:10.45 | Chameleon22 | greycat: dvd+rw-tools? |
| 15:10.53 | abel | greycat: same troubleshot, when i try to switch to another console, the login process don't work. very curious |
| 15:10.54 | greycat | Chameleon22: did I misspell it? |
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| 15:11.17 | Chameleon22 | greycat: well is that a pkg name? |
| 15:11.31 | BadMan | damn I need a bigger desk.... |
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| 15:11.37 | BadMan | or a nice kvm switch... |
| 15:11.39 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: i have to agree, lack of clue |
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| 15:11.49 | locrinfo | hi |
| 15:11.55 | f00bar | greycat: i have normal cdrecord and dvd writing works for me |
| 15:11.56 | tedboer | DutchFish: why is (was?) exim the default smtp server for debian? |
| 15:12.07 | sanxiyn | simonm: Yeah, comments like, "Debian is now irrelevant as Ubuntu is the king". I cannot even start to understand that. |
| 15:12.08 | Chameleon22 | f00bar: well ill try it any way :p |
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| 15:12.30 | Chameleon22 | i use both ubuntu on desktop and debian on server |
| 15:12.31 | Chameleon22 | :) |
| 15:12.36 | greycat | f00bar: you lucked out, then. your drive is apparently one of the very few that cdrecord supports. |
| 15:12.46 | tedboer | DutchFish: i don't think that the solution to a random security problem is suggestion to install another application. |
| 15:12.46 | DutchFish | tedboer it is. But for a mailserver i prefer postfix with tight relay rules |
| 15:12.49 | sanxiyn | Maybe Debian is "losing" to Ubuntu on the desktop. That doesn't make Debian irrelevant a bit. |
| 15:12.54 | locrinfo | i'm unable to create XF86Config-4 using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, what i'm missing ? |
| 15:13.07 | greycat | sanxiyn: thank you, THANK YOU, for spelling "losing" properly. |
| 15:13.15 | Chameleon22 | sanxiyn: dont get me wrong dude i loooooooove my debian :) |
| 15:13.17 | paster | "sml" at 213.210.57.234 pasted "XFree86 Output" (213 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/21 |
| 15:13.21 | sml | BadMan: http://channels.debian.net/paste/21. |
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| 15:13.24 | tedboer | DutchFish: well, this is the first time I have a problem like this one. |
| 15:13.27 | DutchFish | tedboer i admit that you are right on that, but i gave up on exim with the same problem |
| 15:13.33 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: lack of thought - not really thinking about what they're saying |
| 15:13.35 | sml | That's very cool that paste thing.. |
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| 15:13.59 | DutchFish | tedboer did you you check up on ps auwwx? |
| 15:14.12 | tedboer | DutchFish: looking for? |
| 15:14.23 | drac | !tell locrinfo about x md5sum |
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| 15:14.24 | DutchFish | tedboer other processes? |
| 15:14.35 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: no kidding. i'd still use debian "on the desktop"... |
| 15:14.38 | ircdevil | WTF? |
| 15:14.46 | ircdevil | no |
| 15:14.49 | ircdevil | heh |
| 15:14.55 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 15:14.58 | ircdevil | sarge did not release i guess |
| 15:15.02 | ircdevil | heh |
| 15:15.07 | simonrvn | no. soon |
| 15:15.12 | tedboer | DutchFish: everything looks normal. And it is really my exim that is doing the relaying... |
| 15:15.14 | BadMan | sml: is that all of it? |
| 15:15.15 | drac | i'm guessing tomorrow. |
| 15:15.19 | DutchFish | tedboer needles to ask, you applied all sec fixes? |
| 15:15.31 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: Well, I mean, without Debian where Ubuntu will build upon... |
| 15:15.40 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: ;) |
| 15:15.46 | tedboer | DutchFish: I hope so... I should double-check... |
| 15:16.05 | DutchFish | tedboer you are useing exim4? |
| 15:16.16 | tedboer | tedboer: no, i run debian stable |
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| 15:16.23 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: hey it's ok, people get paid working on ubuntu, and the stuff does get back in (you see it mentioned in the changelogs here and there). works out well. i think they'll complement each other |
| 15:16.24 | tedboer | UHH. |
| 15:16.35 | KursK | mh, okay, while linuks.mine.nu I was not able to read the docs and I still did not find out where to set the umask so it will applied in Gnome. very stupid problem |
| 15:16.35 | tedboer | DutchFish: no, i run debian stable |
| 15:16.39 | simonrvn | 'using' |
| 15:16.52 | greycat | sanxiyn: I wish Ubuntu all the success in the world. Really. They want to be an end-user oriented distribution? Wonderful! Let them have *all* the newbies. |
| 15:17.01 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: Yes, I like Ubuntu and Ubuntu dev. I don't like fanboys. |
| 15:17.05 | sml | BadMan: it might be better if I delete the log, and start up X just once so that you get all of the relevant part without me cutting and pasting what i think is relevant? Good idea? |
| 15:17.08 | simonrvn | greycat: spoken like a true BOFH ;p |
| 15:17.20 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: who does? ;) |
| 15:17.23 | BadMan | it creates a new log each time you starts it |
| 15:17.25 | jethro | greycat: mandrake already has loads of them tho |
| 15:17.39 | jethro | they'll have to find an agreement |
| 15:17.40 | BadMan | just paste the whole log |
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| 15:17.58 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: At first I *thought* I could ignore them, but it's just getting more annoying. Perhaps I should reduce time reading online fora. |
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| 15:18.26 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: i try to avoid web forums |
| 15:18.30 | ep | I'd rather irk you guys |
| 15:18.59 | j3di | my system says it doesnt have "mail" installed.. is there a way to see if i got another mail prog? i wanna mail system users |
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| 15:19.15 | locrinfo | drac XF86Config-4 does not exist in /etc/X11/ so, i can't use md5sum :\ |
| 15:19.29 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an mta war |
| 15:19.29 | ravenbird | exim rulez |
| 15:19.37 | sml | BadMan: ok.. |
| 15:19.48 | BadMan | locrinfo: run the dpkg-reconfigure again followed by dexconf sometimes it works |
| 15:19.54 | drac | locrinfo: make one there, with 'oh my god.' text inside, then run md5sum on it. |
| 15:19.57 | sanxiyn | j3di: So, you want to mail someone...? |
| 15:20.07 | DutchFish | tedboer oh yes, 1 more catch: you have receiver_verify = true in exim.conf? |
| 15:20.11 | treestone | j3di: dpkg --list|grep -i mail |
| 15:20.34 | sanxiyn | /usr/bin/mail is included in mailx, but really, there are better MUAs. |
| 15:21.03 | tedboer | DutchFish: yes, i do |
| 15:21.14 | j3di | balsa.. fuck |
| 15:21.19 | sml | BadMan: i ran X, it crashed took down my box. will get it back up and paste the entire log to that url you gave me. just be a momement.. |
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| 15:21.31 | DutchFish | tedboer this is how far i went also.... hten i gave up and went away from exim |
| 15:21.37 | BadMan | sml: ok |
| 15:21.44 | imahcine | hm |
| 15:21.46 | imahcine | can someone tell me |
| 15:21.48 | imahcine | why do i have two pointers in x? |
| 15:21.59 | DutchFish | tedboer but recheck you patches |
| 15:22.03 | imahcine | i have normal pointer, my pointer. and another 'X' pointer in the middle unmovable. |
| 15:22.14 | tedboer | DutchFish: ok... well, i just updated to a more recent version (still exim 3), let's see if it solved anything |
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| 15:22.21 | tedboer | DutchFish: thanks a lot |
| 15:22.26 | DutchFish | tedboer yw |
| 15:22.51 | tedboer | DutchFish: are you dutch? |
| 15:22.51 | DutchFish | tedboer ja |
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| 15:22.51 | j3di | i was hoping this system had a console email prog |
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| 15:22.52 | tedboer | dacht ik al ;-) |
| 15:22.57 | DutchFish | ;) |
| 15:23.05 | locrinfo | BadMan , thanx, XF86Config-4 has been created |
| 15:23.08 | BadMan | j3di: like mutt or something? |
| 15:23.12 | BadMan | locrinfo: yw |
| 15:23.18 | greycat | j3di: mutt, mailx, Mail, pine, elm |
| 15:23.20 | tedboer | so am i. |
| 15:23.31 | greycat | j3di: if it doesn't have any of those, scp the file to your own box. |
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| 15:24.11 | j3di | scp the file? was that english? |
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| 15:24.20 | FieldySnuts | postmaaaann!! |
| 15:24.23 | greycat | man scp |
| 15:24.25 | tedboer | DutchFish: shit.. it still relays... |
| 15:24.26 | sanxiyn | j3di: scp for secure copy |
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| 15:24.57 | DutchFish | tedboer inspect netstat -nlp |
| 15:25.11 | j3di | ahh |
| 15:25.22 | tedboer | DutchFish: but I'm sure it's exim itself. |
| 15:25.22 | DutchFish | tedboer and/or broken dependecies |
| 15:25.23 | locrinfo | but i always have an issue starting KDE3.3 it's very slow, i waiting about 5 min to load :\ it seem hang something when initialiting peripheral |
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| 15:25.42 | paster | "sml" at 213.210.57.234 pasted "xfree86 with nvidia ALL OF IT! :-)" (361 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/22 |
| 15:25.43 | DutchFish | tedboer then triple check spoofing |
| 15:25.45 | j3di | so i dont have to do any install? |
| 15:25.48 | j3di | or config? |
| 15:25.58 | sml | BadMan: its done |
| 15:26.05 | tedboer | DutchFish: IP spoofing? |
| 15:26.08 | DutchFish | tedboer snort running? |
| 15:26.14 | tedboer | DutchFish: no tcpflow |
| 15:26.27 | mozrat | Guys, can I have a quick sanity check for tftpd? I'm getting "Error code 2: Access violation" errors - The file is in /tftpboot, I've changed and restarted inetd, the file is world readable - what else??? |
| 15:26.27 | tedboer | DutchFish: exim logs the IP correctly |
| 15:26.31 | BadMan | sml: ok i look in a sec messingw ith something |
| 15:26.31 | sanxiyn | j3di: If you have administrator right on the said machine, install console mail program like mutt. If you don't, copy mutt from some other machine to the said machine. |
| 15:26.34 | valdyn | locrinfo: ~/.xsession-errors <-what does it say? |
| 15:26.40 | sml | BadMan: k. |
| 15:26.46 | sml | I'll go grab a cuppa tea! |
| 15:26.47 | j3di | kool |
| 15:27.00 | DutchFish | tedboer and you sure allow is configged right? |
| 15:27.04 | j3di | how do i do a commandline install? |
| 15:27.25 | sanxiyn | Well, if it's Debian, (as root) apt-get install mutt (or other mail program). |
| 15:27.37 | j3di | whats a good one? |
| 15:27.44 | j3di | cant i just get "mail" |
| 15:27.48 | tedboer | DutchFish: yeah. i mean, if i try to repeat the exact transaction (which does not do anything weird) from an outside host, i get relaying denied. |
| 15:27.55 | sanxiyn | j3di: You can. "apt-get install mailx". |
| 15:28.05 | tedboer | and i run an ordb.org check, which also said that I am not relaying. |
| 15:28.07 | locrinfo | valdyn nothing of interesting in .xsession-errors |
| 15:28.19 | greycat | j3di: the mailx package has it. |
| 15:28.30 | DutchFish | tedboer : http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/11/msg00147.html |
| 15:28.38 | locrinfo | i'm using sis driver, with philips crt monitor |
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| 15:28.55 | locrinfo | i suspect some driver won't work fine |
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| 15:30.32 | DutchFish | tedboer are there virtual ip-adresses bound to your interface? eth0:1 etc |
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| 15:31.07 | tedboer | DutchFish: no virtual ip addresses |
| 15:31.30 | DutchFish | tedboer i am out of gass now... |
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| 15:32.23 | DutchFish | tedboer but i would install snort just to see whats going on with mallformed packets |
| 15:32.23 | Sharcho | What's the best way to debug "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly" while reinstalling a package? |
| 15:32.24 | streuner | simonrvn: read what 'Ian' said about: http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541 |
| 15:32.28 | BadMan | sml, it seems you installed the nvidia installer, correct? I would use the nv driver. then rmmod nvidia, follow the nvidia-howto info from dpkg and start again |
| 15:32.44 | tedboer | DutchFish: yeah. so am i... but that url you put, how it that related? |
| 15:32.55 | tedboer | Ok, I'll run snort... |
| 15:33.02 | BadMan | your lacking quit a bit of stuff in that for using dpkg-reconfigure at anytime.... |
| 15:33.12 | DutchFish | tedboer quick and dirty block: that ip adress |
| 15:33.16 | STARSCALLING | >.< goes to work |
| 15:33.24 | DutchFish | tedboer to buy some tme |
| 15:33.33 | tedboer | DutchFish: i did that. it was 1 ip, now it's already 3. |
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| 15:34.04 | DutchFish | tedboer it must be spoofing i recall |
| 15:34.21 | tedboer | hmm.. |
| 15:34.40 | sml | BadMan: i did nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia &&dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:34.45 | tedboer | DutchFish: i'll ask on the exim mailing list.. though i suppose they will suggest to move to exim4 |
| 15:34.46 | DutchFish | tedboer i know its no help ... but i had the exact same problems with exim |
| 15:34.58 | DutchFish | tedboer gl! |
| 15:35.01 | sml | BadMan: i followed that exactly which is exactly option II on the "debian way of installing nvidia" guide. |
| 15:35.01 | tedboer | DutchFish: well, it does help. |
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| 15:35.18 | sml | BadMan: i also tried using a package of the module since i found one matching my kernel version but this causes exactly the same effect. |
| 15:35.19 | tedboer | DutchFish: at least i know it's not just me. |
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| 15:35.27 | DutchFish | tedboer ;) |
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| 15:35.42 | sml | BadMan: leading me to suspect that me creating my own nvidia module via module-assistant hasn't in anyway borked things up. |
| 15:35.58 | maxxle | If I boot via tftp I get an IP-Adress. Is this IP saved in a variable? |
| 15:36.09 | tedboer | DutchFish: thing is, i'm not a security expert. just the guy who get screwed to be the sysadmin ;-) |
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| 15:36.52 | DutchFish | tedboer i learned alot by installing snort (nice hints in the logs what going on) |
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| 15:37.46 | DutchFish | tedboer and after installing postfix i never faced this again |
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| 15:38.17 | tedboer | DutchFish: hmm. my exim config is rahter complex... |
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| 15:39.10 | DutchFish | tedboer i would then get advice with this config to visit the exim lists |
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| 15:40.27 | BadMan | sml: do jsut what I told you, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 , select nv driver(since it works and doesn't hang) rmmod nvidia , goto http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html and try again. |
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| 15:41.41 | BadMan | sml: I had no luck with module-assistant.... |
| 15:41.59 | DutchFish | tedboer found another link to your problem: http://www.webhostgear.com/175_print.html |
| 15:42.00 | sml | BadMan: i've done that twice already. i might jsut leave it using nv coz Im outta ideas. |
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| 15:43.17 | tedboer | DutchFish: yeah, but that's not really the same problem |
| 15:43.34 | DutchFish | tedboer but a way to circumvent it |
| 15:43.36 | sml | BadMan: funny thing is when i used to run gentoo on the laptop i had the nvidia stuff up and running in ten minutes. |
| 15:43.41 | sml | BadMan: its a pain in the butt on debian. |
| 15:43.58 | BadMan | sml: something is not getting done right.. 1 your monitor "generic" is not supporting the nvidia option correctly or something, I see no modes in your xfree86 pasting etc... |
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| 15:45.05 | amorphix | if a system bios has a hdd size limitation of 30GB would it be possible to use secondary slave drive with higher capacity? |
| 15:45.08 | BadMan | sml: gather some good info for your card and monitor, i.e. exact memory of card, hsync vsyns for monitor, max supported resolutions etc.. do the advanced in the motior configure section.. |
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| 15:45.58 | BadMan | sml: it's really not a pain, it is quite painless |
| 15:45.59 | sml | BadMan: I'm guess a complete system hang is not going to be an indicator of a problem in the xfree86 config file but more likely some kind of AGP error like jm_ said earlier. |
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| 15:46.44 | BadMan | ok, is agppart laoded as well, do yuou have agp support compiled in? |
| 15:47.34 | BadMan | paste lsmod output to the paster |
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| 15:49.04 | BadMan | also I found it helpful to put the lspci info of my card in as well instead of letting it "detect" |
| 15:49.22 | DutchFish | tedboer did you prevent the user 'nobody' from sending out mail to remote addresses? |
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| 15:49.42 | Chrissy2k5 | hey |
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| 15:50.00 | tedboer | DutchFish: that's not really relevent.. it's an smtp coming from the outside. |
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| 15:50.28 | sml | BadMan: agppart is loaded so is nvidia, and nvidia and kernel match |
| 15:50.33 | DutchFish | tedboer is it really? or inititiated first par a cgi ... as an example |
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| 15:51.17 | amorphix | sorry system crashed earlier - if anyone replied to my question re bios limitation on secondary hdd, can you paste again pls |
| 15:51.22 | jharrisonwk | is there a way to setup an install server that can tftp boot another system over the network and then install the base system over the network from the install server? |
| 15:51.26 | jharrisonwk | I am doing a netboot install on a sparc box but I cannot seem to download the rest of the installer from the debian servers so im wondering if running the installer from the system that does the tftp boot will work |
| 15:51.39 | BadMan | sml: when you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 did you unchcek suggested items from the installation page |
| 15:51.40 | ericb_ | hi all |
| 15:52.03 | tedboer | DutchFish: yeah, unless tcpflow gets fooled! |
| 15:52.21 | sml | BadMan: like dri etc. yes i did. |
| 15:52.39 | DutchFish | tedboer 2nd: did you also test from outside? http://www.abuse.net/relay.html |
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| 15:52.56 | ericb_ | anyone knows I force the kernel to free a device.. like to unload a driver for a specific device ? I try to make vmware use a specific usb device, but this device is also claimed by hid on the host system (debian). Is there any way to tell hid not to lock this device ? |
| 15:52.58 | BadMan | sml: you truly ahve a wierd problem here |
| 15:53.09 | tedboer | DutchFish: yes. _I_ cannot reproduce that same transaction from the outside... |
| 15:53.09 | BadMan | sml: try again and uncheck glcore as we;; |
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| 15:53.47 | pollar | hi all, how i can set default locale and charset ? |
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| 15:55.47 | greycat | pollar: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 15:56.52 | pollar | greycat: isn't it used just for locale generation ? |
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| 15:57.13 | Golfgeo | hi all |
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| 15:57.46 | simonrvn | pollar: no, locale-gen is |
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| 15:58.00 | pollar | yeah you right, sorry :) |
| 15:58.09 | myren | life without lsof is no life at all |
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| 15:59.19 | sml | if you skip the ethernet configuration during an install and therefore /etc/network/* is not created, do you ahve to create them manually by hand if you want to configure a network device at a later date, or is there a tool that will create these files by prompting you with a few questions. |
| 15:59.39 | pollar | i founded some very strange behavior, after rebooting my box LC_ALL changes to lt_LT.ISO885913, but it should be LC_ALL=lt_LT.ISO8859-13. Why does this happen ? |
| 16:00.20 | pollar | i can't run some programs as they tell me something about unsupported LC |
| 16:00.25 | BadMan | sml: possibly base-config and jump to the ethernet section...? |
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| 16:01.51 | sml | BadMan: nah its not in base-config. ONly hostname and various apt options/timezone and such like |
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| 16:02.31 | BadMan | sml: use your arrows to scroll down? |
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| 16:03.41 | sml | BadMan: Nah, no joy. |
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| 16:04.52 | j3di | how can i tell what users are in a paticular group |
| 16:05.06 | j3di | or even what groups a paticular user is in |
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| 16:05.10 | amorphix | if my system has a bios limit of 33.8GB on hdd, would it be possible to have a 2nd drive higher than this? |
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| 16:06.24 | greycat | amorphix: would it be possible for you to flash your BIOS? |
| 16:06.27 | pinkj | I'm currently having trouble downloading http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso does anyone know if there are server problems? |
| 16:06.41 | amorphix | greycat: nah unfortunately no updates are available :-( |
| 16:06.46 | sml | pinkj: try using the torrents |
| 16:06.47 | mck | j3di: id |
| 16:06.59 | i3dmaster | anyone knows how to get a better compression ratio for cloop filesystem? |
| 16:07.04 | bizarro_paco | is there a way i can tell what type of memory i have without opening up my box and physically looking at it? |
| 16:07.05 | BadMan | sml: I cannot find a spot to "set taht up.. still looking |
| 16:07.20 | greycat | amorphix: you can try. once linux is booted, it doesn't use the bios to access the hard drives. |
| 16:07.23 | pinkj | sml: I'm not looking for a full CD set, is the net install available by torrent? |
| 16:07.23 | amorphix | i guess putting a 2nd drive on into the bios will also cause the system not to boot |
| 16:07.28 | amorphix | oh! |
| 16:07.34 | amorphix | maybe linux will work |
| 16:07.34 | greycat | amorphix: no promises. |
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| 16:07.45 | cahoot | bizarro_paco: you might y using the eeprom module (2.6 kernels) |
| 16:07.45 | jorge_bla | does anybody know how to escape the space charakter in sed? |
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| 16:08.17 | bizarro_paco | cahoot, okay thx |
| 16:08.26 | pingouin | about font : what make some apps font (xine, gmplayer, amule) beeing sooo tiny that i can hardly read anything.... ?! but not some others apps have troubles....i'm missing packages ?! or ? any clue ? |
| 16:08.41 | drac | pingouin: 'apt-cache search xfonts | grep trans' |
| 16:08.46 | jorge_bla | does anybody know how to escape the space charakter in sed? |
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| 16:08.53 | drac | pingouin: and try installing those 3 packages, problem might just appear. |
| 16:08.57 | drac | pingouin: disappear :) |
| 16:08.59 | cahoot | bizarro_paco: you'll get info like this: Memory type: DDR SDRAM DIMM |
| 16:09.02 | nydust | how do i stop mysql? |
| 16:09.03 | pingouin | drac: ok i try |
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| 16:09.06 | LordFrith | jorge_bla: escape the space character? |
| 16:09.06 | pingouin | drac: thx |
| 16:09.26 | jorge_bla | yes, looking for space |
| 16:09.44 | LordFrith | jorge_bla: Like : sed 's/ /_/g' |
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| 16:10.03 | jorge_bla | yes? |
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| 16:10.11 | j3di | how do you change someones group |
| 16:10.29 | greycat | j3di: man 5 group; man 5 passwd |
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| 16:10.45 | LordFrith | Yes, but odds are you want: mv "$fn" "${fn// /_}" |
| 16:11.11 | greycat | or since this is Debian: rename 's/ /_/g' filename(s) |
| 16:11.18 | amorphix | greycat: do you think having SCSI controller would bypass the bios restriction? |
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| 16:11.41 | greycat | amorphix: quite probably, as long as you don't intend to boot from SCSI |
| 16:11.50 | amorphix | cool |
| 16:11.55 | greycat | again, no promises. |
| 16:12.01 | amorphix | :) |
| 16:12.08 | wpostma | I'm looking for documentation on all the ipv4/netfilter .CONFIG options in the 2.6 kernel. ANyone know any good documentation on this. |
| 16:12.13 | pinkj | sml: I'm unable to find the netinstall anywhere else |
| 16:12.23 | greycat | wpostma: /topic #iptables |
| 16:12.34 | wpostma | Ah. |
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| 16:14.36 | sml | pinkj: ? |
| 16:14.56 | si|vercat | how do I set the clock? |
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| 16:15.04 | pinkj | I was hoping to do a netinstall from CDROM |
| 16:15.09 | pinkj | SiliconViper: date --set |
| 16:15.12 | sml | pinkj: the servers are quite often quite loaded, are you not getting anywhere at all? |
| 16:15.12 | pinkj | oops |
| 16:15.18 | SiliconViper | :o |
| 16:15.28 | pinkj | sml: I got to 30% then it hung |
| 16:15.36 | sml | pinkj: which one are you after ? |
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| 16:15.46 | pinkj | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:15.49 | sml | pinkj: you tried one of the mirrors ? |
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| 16:16.11 | pinkj | yes, but I can't seem to locate the same file |
| 16:16.41 | sml | hmmm |
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| 16:17.01 | sml | pinkj: if you wait a minute i'll put a copy of that file on my site |
| 16:17.06 | sml | pinkj: and you can download it. |
| 16:17.07 | pinkj | ok cheers |
| 16:17.15 | SiliconViper | sml already uploading to my site. |
| 16:17.19 | SiliconViper | ;p |
| 16:17.28 | pinkj | rc3? |
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| 16:17.29 | j3di | what about usermod? |
| 16:17.35 | SiliconViper | Yesh. |
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| 16:18.24 | miguelanxo | HighPingedLPB: I've fucked up a collegae Windows2000 boot (installed on a extender partition (hda5)). If I try to boot it from Linux, I get "Loading Windows 2000" and the system stalls. Some help? |
| 16:18.48 | BadMan | sml: still there? maybe dpkg-reconfigure dhcp-client ? |
| 16:19.00 | miguelanxo | Well, looks like "Hi" -> HighPingedLPB, but it wasn't on purpose |
| 16:19.02 | miguelanxo | :P |
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| 16:19.51 | miguelanxo | I've tried different values in the BOOT.INI file, what should I set? |
| 16:19.54 | greycat | autonickcompletion is the spawn of Beelzebub. |
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| 16:20.30 | borner | hello |
| 16:20.38 | valdyn | miguelanxo: what do you mean with "boot it from Linux" ? |
| 16:20.39 | borner | does anyone have some experience with printing over lan ? |
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| 16:21.02 | miguelanxo | valdyn: I've probed the habitual LILO settings |
| 16:21.26 | takatumi | can windows even boot from hda5? |
| 16:21.34 | miguelanxo | currentñy LILO is installed in hda, and tries to boot windows as this: "other=/dev/hda5\nLabel=Windows2000·" |
| 16:21.36 | caphuso | takatumi: depends on the windows |
| 16:21.39 | valdyn | miguelanxo: whatever that means, ill take it as you were trying to boot windows from lilo |
| 16:21.40 | BadMan | miguelanxo: I seem to recall reading that if Win2k is not in control of boot loader and lcoated ina certain spot.. it don't like it |
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| 16:22.16 | miguelanxo | The question is, if windows can't boot from hda5, then, what should I do? |
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| 16:22.38 | miguelanxo | I mean, I'm even considering dumping LILO |
| 16:22.44 | greycat | put it back where it was? |
| 16:23.06 | miguelanxo | If I were able to do so , I will do, but I didn't backup everything I need |
| 16:23.12 | takatumi | miguelanxo: there is a map command in grub, maybe look at it. |
| 16:23.17 | caphuso | boot-as in lilo.conf might help |
| 16:23.24 | valdyn | miguelanxo: show us the lilo.conf info that is supposed to boot your windows |
| 16:23.31 | valdyn | !tell miguelanxo about paste |
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| 16:23.56 | miguelanxo | yeah |
| 16:24.02 | miguelanxo | I know about paste et al |
| 16:24.07 | miguelanxo | just a moment |
| 16:24.10 | borner | so anyone can help me out installing a printer over lan ? |
| 16:24.20 | borner | i'm using gnome as desktop, and xerox phase 3116 |
| 16:24.44 | zinx | no ^Ls please |
| 16:24.58 | pipeline | borner: install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsys-client, foomatic-gui, foomatic-filters, and foomatic-filters-ppds |
| 16:25.19 | borner | that's all? |
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| 16:25.45 | vaq | d |
| 16:25.45 | borner | ... i allready got them all installed pip |
| 16:25.46 | pipeline | borner: No, you then have to make sure that /etc/cups/printer.conf exists and that /etc/cups/printers.conf is a hardlink to it |
| 16:25.47 | borner | pipeline, * |
| 16:25.48 | caphuso | the -ppds package is probably overkill |
| 16:25.58 | pipeline | borner: And then use foomatic-gui to create a print queue |
| 16:26.02 | pipeline | borner: And then that's all |
| 16:26.16 | borner | hmm |
| 16:26.25 | caphuso | (unless you want to add a lot of printers) |
| 16:26.27 | borner | i got printers.conf but its empty |
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| 16:26.47 | pipeline | caphuso: the ppds package is helpful |
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| 16:26.56 | pipeline | borner: It's ok if it's empty, it just has to exist for foomatic-gui to work. |
| 16:27.01 | borner | ok |
| 16:27.13 | caphuso | pipeline: why? just install the one ppd you actually need |
| 16:27.46 | borner | needs gtkhtml yay |
| 16:27.51 | pipeline | caphuso: Where would I get that ppd? Where would I put it? Installing the 300 kb of the ppds package gives you a list to pick from. Why make things more complicated in order to save a couple hundred k? |
| 16:28.09 | caphuso | !info foomatic-filters-ppds |
| 16:28.11 | pipeline | caphuso: Ah, it's several megs |
| 16:28.11 | dpkg | foomatic-filters-ppds: (linuxprinting.org printer support - prebuilt PPD files), section text, is extra. Version: 20050403-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6774 kB, Installed size: 12404 kB |
| 16:28.12 | borner | pipeline, you know the xerox phaser 3116? |
| 16:28.15 | caphuso | 300kb? |
| 16:28.27 | pipeline | Eh, disk space is cheap, time isn't. |
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| 16:29.19 | caphuso | pipeline: and i think foomatic-gui can get it of linuxprinting.org |
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| 16:30.43 | caphuso | plus, simply using the web interface is less painful than installing all that gnome crap you need for foomatic-gui... |
| 16:31.05 | pipeline | The web interface for CUPS isn't the same as foomatic-gui. |
| 16:31.16 | caphuso | pipeline: the webinterface at linuxprinting.org |
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| 16:31.30 | borner | pipeline, |
| 16:31.42 | pipeline | borner: I just remembered that most printers also require gs-esp |
| 16:31.47 | borner | ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2 |
| 16:31.54 | caphuso | hah |
| 16:31.58 | pipeline | Sounds like you're missing a python dependency. |
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| 16:33.10 | JohnGH | what packages do I need to install to get xine-ui to play mpgs and avis? |
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| 16:34.26 | green_earz | JohnGH: totem for mpg and avi |
| 16:34.30 | ChickenBoy | Hi! Why can't I install libapache2-mod-php4 anymore? |
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| 16:34.34 | mihaly | If I am in terminal mode... and run applications with my root login does the output of these applications gå to any log? |
| 16:34.43 | JohnGH | green_earz: thanks |
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| 16:34.47 | drac | ChickenBoy: You tell us? |
| 16:34.48 | green_earz | np |
| 16:34.54 | valdyn | mihaly: no |
| 16:34.54 | greycat | mihaly: only if you told it to. |
| 16:35.27 | JohnGH | green_earz: does that mean I need gnome installed to use xine? |
| 16:35.38 | ChickenBoy | In dselect it's marked with --- and if I want to install it, it says that it depends on something else, but I can't resolve that dependency |
| 16:36.08 | green_earz | JohnGH: no i use totem in kde and alls ok |
| 16:36.18 | mihaly | greycat: and by telling it do you mean the >> file method? |
| 16:36.49 | post_ | hi there |
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| 16:37.00 | JohnGH | green_earz: oh OK, I don't use gnome OR kde :o) I use windowmaker |
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| 16:37.31 | post_ | could somebody give me the line to put on my ressources list to get the packagezs for the unstable releasse plz |
| 16:37.35 | greycat | mihaly: most people would use script(1) |
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| 16:38.04 | valdyn | !depends xine-ui |
| 16:38.10 | dpkg | xine-ui: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcurl3 (>= 7.12.2-1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.2), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libreadline5, libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libssl0.9.7, libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a), libxtst6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxv1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
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| 16:38.37 | borner | !depends foomatic-gui |
| 16:38.39 | borner | !depends foomatic-bin |
| 16:38.41 | dpkg | foomatic-gui: depends on python (>> 2.3), python (<< 2.5), python-foomatic, python-gtk2 (>> 2.4), python-gnome2, python-glade2, gksu, python2.3-gnome2 | python2.4-gnome2-extras |
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| 16:38.58 | JohnGH | valdyn: I'm going to edit that in vi so I can see where teh ors are :o) |
| 16:39.06 | borner | err |
| 16:39.12 | post_ | could somebody give me the line to put on my ressources list to get the packagezs for the unstable releasse please |
| 16:39.21 | green_earz | JohnGH: do a apt-get -s install totem the -s switch will simulate a install of totem. so you can then have a look at how much will be installed |
| 16:39.35 | bluefox83 | i just did an apt-get dist-upgrade, and i noticed an error that kept repeating a lot..what causes this error ---> ** (process:20269): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 16:39.36 | mihaly | greycat script(1) ?? what is that? |
| 16:39.37 | greycat | !tell post_ about sid faq |
| 16:39.40 | greycat | mihaly: man 1 script |
| 16:39.41 | bluefox83 | and how do i fix it? |
| 16:39.45 | stew | post_: if you have to ask you shouldn't |
| 16:40.25 | mihaly | ah okey... nice tool |
| 16:40.37 | stew | post_: what is motivating you to get packages from unstable? |
| 16:40.54 | bluefox83 | !depends mplayer |
| 16:40.55 | JohnGH | green_earz: It's installed now, thanks... the mpg I tested seems to be playing at double speed or so, I'll have to look at that... |
| 16:41.04 | bluefox83 | oh, evil.. |
| 16:41.11 | green_earz | ok |
| 16:41.14 | stew | bluefox83: mplayer is not in debian |
| 16:41.18 | WiFiTux | how can I fix a fucked up woody install that says LI on boot, with a sarge cd? :| |
| 16:41.33 | bluefox83 | stew, it's on an unofficial debianised db though :) |
| 16:41.44 | stew | bluefox83: if its not in debian the bot won't know about it, though |
| 16:41.52 | stew | WiFiTux: /msg dpkg LI |
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| 16:42.05 | bluefox83 | stew, why/ no one added that particular server to the sources.list? |
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| 16:43.21 | green_earz | JohnGH: do you use bittorent to get your .avi ? if so have a look at installing bittornado-gui as your client |
| 16:43.21 | post_ | stew: this is to use with ubuntu |
| 16:43.37 | stew | post_: you are in the wrong chennel then |
| 16:43.48 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 16:43.49 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 16:43.54 | BadMan | post_: try /join #ubuntu |
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| 16:44.20 | JohnGH | green_earz: This is fun... some play at double speed, some play at normal speed and some just abort with "xiTK received SIGSEGV signal, RIP." :o) |
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| 16:44.29 | pipeline | post_: In theory, all you have to do is create a new sources.list, run "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 16:44.37 | DuckTales | What was the date woody came out? |
| 16:44.41 | pipeline | post_: In reality, you may find that upgrading from Ubuntu to the real debian isn't that easy. |
| 16:44.49 | pipeline | post_: It would probably be easier to reinstall than to upgrade |
| 16:45.14 | UKPbrownUK | Hi Guys, How would I rsync in debian between 2 mounted samba drives |
| 16:45.46 | JohnGH | DuckTales: you mean became "stable" or started as a release? |
| 16:45.54 | DuckTales | stable |
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| 16:46.09 | stew | bluefox83: yeah, we wouldn't want the bot mixing official and non official sources.l.. |
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| 16:46.23 | green_earz | JohnGH: are you running the .avi of the hard drive or mpg ? instead of from the cdrom for dvdrom |
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| 16:46.36 | kpg | I had a problem with sound on Debian Sarge |
| 16:46.49 | pipeline | post_: http://pastebin.ca/9420 sample sources.list |
| 16:46.54 | resiak | kpg: You'll have to be more specific than that. |
| 16:47.04 | kpg | I get only two volume settings-mute and max volume... |
| 16:47.13 | JohnGH | DuckTales: have a look through http://www.debian.org/News/ |
| 16:47.28 | valdyn | !woody |
| 16:47.28 | dpkg | methinks woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 16:47.29 | kpg | irrespective of the setting for PCM in aumix or kmix. |
| 16:47.33 | green_earz | JohnGH: i put the file on the hard drive and i get a better play that way |
| 16:47.33 | bluefox83 | kpg, wow..most people just can't get it to work.. |
| 16:47.47 | JohnGH | Ducktales: http://www.debian.org/News/2002/20020719 |
| 16:47.54 | DuckTales | So it will be three years this July |
| 16:47.55 | DuckTales | k |
| 16:47.58 | DuckTales | thanks |
| 16:48.02 | kpg | i have an intel 845 brooksdale chipset with onboard sound |
| 16:48.19 | JohnGH | Jeepers, was it THAT long ago? seems like only yesterday I was installing Potato :o) |
| 16:48.28 | JohnGH | And Woody was testing |
| 16:48.30 | greycat | some of us started with bo... |
| 16:48.36 | kpg | bluefox : why? it worked out of the box for me. minus the above problem |
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| 16:48.55 | uli_ | hallo |
| 16:49.13 | bluefox83 | kpg, i mean most people that have sound problems, just plain don't know how to get any sound at all..i haven't heard of many that got just mute and max volume.. |
| 16:49.25 | JohnGH | yes greycat, but you're crusty ;o) I was a slacker who hadn't seen the light back then! |
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| 16:50.11 | aliasd | when i run tasksel, it just exits.... no output.... takes a few seconds then just exits |
| 16:50.13 | kpg | bluefox83 : i am running the 2.6.8-1 kernel that sarge has..and it does not install alsa. |
| 16:50.17 | aliasd | any ideas why? |
| 16:50.32 | bluefox83 | kpg, so install alsa... |
| 16:50.47 | bluefox83 | kpg, or oss :) |
| 16:51.09 | borner | does anyone have some experience with printing over lan ? |
| 16:51.09 | bluefox83 | i use alsa and oss together, gets really nice sound :) |
| 16:51.18 | kpg | bluefox83 : alsaconf does not work. i am using oss. |
| 16:51.27 | JohnGH | borner: yes - what kind? |
| 16:51.28 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 16:51.39 | bluefox83 | afk, lunch! |
| 16:51.42 | tedboer | bluefox83: you use both in order to have stereo sound? |
| 16:51.54 | uli_ | hi, anyone can help me with Ati grafics problem? |
| 16:51.54 | green_earz | JohnGH: here a link for .avi heaven. for all your goodes http://www.mininova.org/ just a case you are into bittorents |
| 16:51.55 | borner | i got trendnet printer server w/ usb and xerox phase 3116, trying to print, but nothing happends |
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| 16:52.04 | kpg | bluefox83 : alsactl gives me an error saying no soundcards found. |
| 16:52.06 | tedboer | kpg: don't use alsaconf. just add your soundcard's module to /etc/modules |
| 16:52.15 | tedboer | kpg: which soundcard do you have |
| 16:52.35 | JohnGH | borner: have you printed to it from any other operating system? |
| 16:52.36 | m0p | what do I need to put in the options section of fstab so a user can view an ntfs partition? I used to know it but forgot. |
| 16:52.39 | resiak | !tell bluefox83 -about away |
| 16:52.41 | borner | yes, windows xp |
| 16:52.48 | cahoot | kpg: mind you - you have choose - either alsa or oss - not both active at the same time |
| 16:52.54 | kpg | tedboer : the one that ships with the intel 845 brooksdale chips |
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| 16:53.10 | kpg | cahoot : i know. i'm using oss right now. no alsa |
| 16:53.18 | JohnGH | borner: What did you do to set it up under Debian? |
| 16:53.23 | m0p | Anyone!? |
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| 16:53.45 | resiak | m0p: /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 16:53.47 | kpg | tedboer : what alsa module do i add for my mother board? |
| 16:53.48 | borner | i'm using gnome so i tried gnome-cups-manager thing, to add it as a network printer, and tried the kdeprint tools as well. |
| 16:54.01 | JohnGH | m0p: google |
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| 16:54.18 | tedboer | kpg: try, as root, to do a modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 16:54.28 | tedboer | kpg: or snd-intel8x0m |
| 16:54.29 | m0p | I have ntfs installed, but when I view it, it won't let me cd into it or ls it. |
| 16:54.29 | UKPbrownUK | Anyone know if rsync can sync 2 mounted samba drives and if so what syntax? |
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| 16:54.45 | JohnGH | m0p: installed? |
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| 16:54.50 | tedboer | kpg: after that, check your /proc/asound/cards (with cat) |
| 16:54.50 | m0p | yep |
| 16:55.00 | LoRez | UKPbrownUK: just use rsync on the mount points already |
| 16:55.11 | JohnGH | m0p: define installed? |
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| 16:55.35 | kpg | tedboer : snd-intel8x0 seems to loaded according to lsmod |
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| 16:55.52 | m0p | I have the debian package, libntfs5 installed and the partition in fstab. |
| 16:55.57 | m0p | root can view the partition fine. |
| 16:56.15 | kpg | tedboer : /proc/asound/cards shows no soundcards.. |
| 16:56.19 | JohnGH | m0p: do you think it might be to do with file permissions? |
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| 16:56.40 | m0p | I had it working before, I had to add something to the options column in fstab |
| 16:56.49 | m0p | and yes, the mount point has been chmodded |
| 16:57.02 | UKPbrownUK | if I try an rsync with just the mount points it tells me 'skippng directory .' and stops |
| 16:57.02 | tedboer | kpg: look for a soundcard entry in your lspci output (or cat /proc/pci) |
| 16:57.08 | nydust | Now i have postfix up and running, where do i make the email accouts? |
| 16:57.20 | Chrissy2k5 | how can i chmod a directory and all of its subdirectories and all of its files to 0777 ?¿ |
| 16:57.28 | Chrissy2k5 | (/var/www/) |
| 16:57.36 | raz0 | chmod -r |
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| 16:57.44 | sydneyfong | isn't it chmod -R? |
| 16:57.52 | raz0 | Yeah, my bad. |
| 16:57.56 | dottedquad | does anyone have documentations on mounting a usb flash drive? |
| 16:57.57 | Chrissy2k5 | thanks :) |
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| 16:58.24 | kpg | tedboer : it shows me an entry for Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller |
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| 16:58.54 | JohnGH | m0p: what did you read in |
| 16:58.57 | cahoot | kpg: how come snd-intel8x0 is loaded if you use oss? |
| 16:59.03 | JohnGH | m0p: what did you read in 'man mount' about users? |
| 16:59.22 | tedboer | kpg: aah, you got an oss driver loaded as well??? |
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| 16:59.36 | tedboer | kpg: does lsmod list an oss driver for the intel? |
| 16:59.40 | kpg | cahoot : i dunno. just did a fresh install and that is what i got. |
| 16:59.46 | kpg | tedboer : checking... |
| 16:59.48 | JohnGH | m0p: and what did you read in 'man fstab' about how to turn the mount options into an fstab entry? |
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| 17:00.18 | m0p | Look, I had it working before I reformatted. |
| 17:00.32 | kpg | tedboer : would that be the i810_snd module, if so, then yes. |
| 17:00.33 | m0p | I just need to know the option. I was something like "blah=100" |
| 17:00.50 | m0p | Can't remember what blah was though. |
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| 17:01.06 | tedboer | tedboer: ok. if you want to use alsa, you should blacklist that one. |
| 17:01.07 | grzesiek | hello |
| 17:01.09 | tedboer | arg. |
| 17:01.16 | tedboer | kpg: ok. if you want to use alsa, you should blacklist that one. |
| 17:01.24 | grzesiek | it looks like http://cdimage.debian.org/ is down? |
| 17:01.28 | kpg | tedboer : i810_sound is used by the ac97_codec and soundcore modules. can i blacklist it? |
| 17:01.28 | tedboer | kpg: for now, to check, rmmod i810_snd |
| 17:01.37 | JohnGH | m0p: I looked, and I saw you didn't answer my question. |
| 17:02.00 | tedboer | kpg: remove all those, to check, and also the snd_i8x0 one, and modprobe the snd_i8x0 again |
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| 17:02.16 | tedboer | kpg: now /proc/asound/cards should list it. |
| 17:02.20 | kpg | tedboer : doing it.... |
| 17:02.43 | JohnGH | m0p: if you want people to help you it would probably be best for you to be polite, and I don't interpret you telling me to "look" as being polite, I interpret it as being impatient and not willing to RTFM yourself |
| 17:03.08 | m0p | I am reading through "man mount" and "man fstab" |
| 17:03.22 | tedboer | kpg: if it works, do a cat /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/alsa-base.discover >> /etc/discover.conf |
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| 17:03.37 | tedboer | kpg: import! concat! >> |
| 17:03.46 | m0p | hmm, got it! |
| 17:03.48 | stew | Chrissy2k5: why would you want to recursively chmod 777? that sounds like a horrible idea |
| 17:04.00 | m0p | Just gotta mount it with the correct uid option |
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| 17:04.04 | m0p | Am I right? |
| 17:04.08 | tedboer | kpg: after rebooting, the oss drivers should be skipped, and the alsa driver loaded |
| 17:04.08 | nydust | any mailserver howto for dummies? |
| 17:04.19 | stew | nydust: dummies shouldn't run mailservers |
| 17:04.20 | tedboer | kpg: i thought this had been taken care of. |
| 17:04.26 | ignatz | nydust try the english faq of www.debianhowto.de |
| 17:04.28 | m0p | Or umask, actually I think it was. Yeah, I remember it. |
| 17:04.43 | ignatz | else maybe www.postfix.org :) |
| 17:05.06 | m0p | What umask parameter do I need to give to umask to make an ntfs filesystem readable by the user? |
| 17:05.18 | yalu | when I am doing heavy disk activity, my mouse pointer doesn't move smoothly and window draws are laggy (starts painting only seconds after I move or resiwe stuff). |
| 17:05.26 | UKPbrownUK | Hi guys, I tried rsyncing from the mounted drives but it just says skipping directory and ends, is it possible to rsync 2 samba mounted drives |
| 17:05.29 | yalu | I am running a preemptible kernel though |
| 17:05.30 | greycat | m0p: 022 is good. |
| 17:05.34 | kpg | tedboer : i can remove all the alsa modules ( the ones startting with snd_...) but i810_audio and ac97_codec won't get removed |
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| 17:05.49 | yalu | I thought preemtion smoothed that sort of behaviour? |
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| 17:06.02 | ignatz | if your hardware cant keep up with the load yalu |
| 17:06.06 | ignatz | no kernel can help you |
| 17:06.08 | uli_ | HAAAAAAAAB ACHT!!! |
| 17:06.19 | cow | yalu, guess not. are you perhaps using PIO to talk to the disks? |
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| 17:06.43 | m0p | thanks greycat! workin now |
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| 17:06.53 | yalu | cow: no, dma. says hdparm. |
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| 17:07.03 | cow | yalu, 32bit? |
| 17:07.15 | ignatz | yalu software raid ? |
| 17:07.22 | tedboer | kpg: guess it is in use. |
| 17:07.34 | yalu | cow: yes, ignatz : no, just disk and partitions. |
| 17:07.37 | yalu | ide |
| 17:07.43 | greycat | !wikifaq m0p Permissions |
| 17:07.44 | dpkg | m0p: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:07.46 | tedboer | kpg: can you do a fuser /dev/dsp |
| 17:07.49 | greycat | assuming the Wiki is back |
| 17:07.51 | ignatz | hows the cpu load during the disk activity ? |
| 17:08.02 | ignatz | maybe try dstat (apt-get install dstat) to see the load on disk i/o and cpu |
| 17:08.03 | tedboer | kpg: it should tell you the processes using it. |
| 17:08.29 | kpg | tedboer : yes i did fuser /dev/dsp ..shows me nothing |
| 17:08.33 | tedboer | kpg: but really, just concat the discover blacklist like i said, and reboot. |
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| 17:09.12 | kpg | tedboer : that's exactly what i am doing..rebooting now. will get back to you. |
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| 17:09.26 | tedboer | kpg: did you see my msg? |
| 17:09.34 | kpg | tedboer : yes i did |
| 17:09.37 | UKPbrownUK | anyone any ideas on my rsync prob :-( |
| 17:09.42 | tedboer | good luck |
| 17:09.45 | tedboer | exit |
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| 17:10.10 | cow | yalu, perhaps also double-check that you use the proper io-scheduler, guesstimate, though |
| 17:11.05 | simonrvn | deadline r0x on disk / i/o intensive machines |
| 17:11.06 | yalu | cow: where can I find more information about IO schedulers, it's a pretty technical topic |
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| 17:11.34 | simonrvn | elevator=deadline (or as, or cbq, or some other one) |
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| 17:11.43 | cow | yalu, in your kernel-sources "deadline", "as", etc |
| 17:11.49 | yalu | hm |
| 17:12.19 | Snadder | how can I ping from one interface to another interface which is located on the same machine..? |
| 17:12.28 | Snadder | both interfaces is on the same switch. |
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| 17:12.32 | simonrvn | ping --help |
| 17:12.34 | Snadder | ..just want to make sure both works |
| 17:12.36 | cow | yalu, how many concurrent processes are writing (on your single? disk)? |
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| 17:13.08 | yalu | cow: let's say: one or two |
| 17:13.49 | Snadder | simonm, seems like it dosnt work.. its using the default route any way.. |
| 17:13.49 | sparr_ | Is there a sound mixing solution for linux that would be transparent to my applications/games? I want to be able to play MP3s behind my games, and hear program audio notifications while playing music, without restricting myself to specific applications that support the mixing solution I select. |
| 17:14.08 | greycat | sparr_: get an SB live. |
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| 17:14.19 | simonrvn | Snadder: what's your command line for it? |
| 17:14.24 | cow | yalu, hm. no idea, sorry |
| 17:14.35 | sparr_ | greycat: any software solutions? ive got a stack of sound cards here, none of any respectable quality :( |
| 17:15.09 | greycat | sparr_: esd or ALSA |
| 17:15.11 | Crasp | where can i find the naming scheme of debian releases? |
| 17:15.19 | greycat | !history |
| 17:15.19 | dpkg | i guess history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 17:15.28 | Crasp | thanks |
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| 17:15.34 | greycat | Crasp: hint: bruce perens worked at pixar... |
| 17:15.50 | sparr_ | greycat: ALSA |
| 17:15.56 | cow | UKPbrownUK, man rsync and look for recursive, perhaps? |
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| 17:16.10 | greycat | sparr_: it was a statement, not a question :) |
| 17:16.17 | sparr_ | oh |
| 17:16.23 | sparr_ | well, what do I need to do with ALSA? |
| 17:16.30 | greycat | dunno, but everyone says you can |
| 17:16.31 | UKPbrownUK | cheers cow, |
| 17:17.05 | Snadder | simonm, ping -R -I 192.168.1.21 192.168.1.22 |
| 17:17.38 | simonrvn | Snadder: use -I $interface |
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| 17:18.14 | Snadder | ah. ok.. but it seems like both interfaces is working anyway.. thx:) |
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| 17:18.30 | kpg | cahoot : hello |
| 17:18.42 | dottedquad | i'm having a hard time getting into XFree86.0... it keeps giving me a fatal IO error 104.. Can anyone give me a hand with this setting my monitor and graphics card up correctly? |
| 17:19.03 | dottedquad | i'm in the configuration section |
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| 17:19.44 | kpg | cahoot : this is about the sound card problem i was talking about earlier |
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| 17:20.40 | kpg | i have now removed all the oss modules, keeping only alsa running. but i still get only max volume and mute |
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| 17:21.32 | MidgetSpy | what's the best way to restart services (like samba) in debian? the equiv of /etc/rc.d/init.d/samba restart in redhat, heh |
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| 17:21.50 | jethro | MidgetSpy: /etcc/init.d/foo restart ? |
| 17:21.54 | jethro | s/cc/c |
| 17:22.09 | MidgetSpy | thanks! |
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| 17:22.33 | jethro | MidgetSpy: you can also use invoke-rc.d |
| 17:23.24 | kpg | anyone have any pointers on why i get only two volume settings - mute and max volume |
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| 17:24.17 | cow | with invoke-rc.d, commandline completion doesn't seem to work.. |
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| 17:25.42 | dottedquad | lemme try and reinstall xwindows.. does anyone know the package name for the new xfree86? |
| 17:25.53 | jethro | !new |
| 17:25.54 | dpkg | hmm... new is an operator in c++ |
| 17:25.56 | dottedquad | the stable one |
| 17:26.39 | jethro | dottedquad: check packages.debian.org for your distribution of debian |
| 17:27.01 | dottedquad | alright |
| 17:27.02 | MidgetSpy | where does samba get the machine name it uses? it's not in samba.conf and it's not my /etc/hostname |
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| 17:27.53 | ubu | hehe |
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| 17:29.44 | lasala | umm where can i find the DEFAULT_MAIL_DOMAIN or the default DNS domain for my server ? |
| 17:30.31 | lasala | also i need to know my deault base... im trying to setup the migrationtools |
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| 17:31.23 | sydneyfong | ooOooo |
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| 17:31.34 | [OGI]-gnulu | how many people have dropped at the same time whoa |
| 17:31.46 | resiak | It's called a netsplit. Get a decent IRC client. |
| 17:31.48 | bluefox83 | man, netsplits are cool to watch.. |
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| 17:32.36 | wpostma | MidgetSpy, figured out how Samba gets its hostname yet? |
| 17:32.39 | MidgetSpy | they are even cooler to watch in BIG channels, and when you're the one splitting :0) |
| 17:32.39 | m0p | hmm, what is X.org like? |
| 17:32.43 | paulswm | Some server admin probably dropped a memory stick in a toilet |
| 17:32.47 | sydneyfong | heh, recall those days in EFNET where netsplits result in furious fights for op..... ;-p |
| 17:33.03 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 17:33.05 | MidgetSpy | wpostma: nope, I've been cat'ing random files in /etc/ but no luck yet :0) |
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| 17:34.40 | wpostma | MidgetSpy, I'll give you a hint. are you using DNS or WINS? |
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| 17:34.50 | m0p | anyone? |
| 17:34.52 | MidgetSpy | wpostma: DNS |
| 17:35.10 | wpostma | Okay, so how does your client which is connecting to Samba get it's hostname to DNS lookup? |
| 17:35.19 | m0p | I heard the ubuntu x.org package works under debian, and I need opinions on it before I get rid of XFree86. Is it worth it? |
| 17:35.38 | Crasp | /msg dpkg xorg |
| 17:35.41 | Crasp | try that :) |
| 17:35.51 | jethro | MidgetSpy: you mean the hostname of the samba server you setup, or the hostname of the server your connecting to ? |
| 17:36.05 | MidgetSpy | jethro: I set up |
| 17:36.12 | Crasp | m0p: to be honest i don't notice any big difference between xfree86 or x.org |
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| 17:36.20 | Crasp | m0p: but that was to be expected ofcourse |
| 17:36.29 | Crasp | m0p: x.org has only been started recently |
| 17:36.29 | resiak | m0p: We also will not help you with X-related problems in here if you get X.org, for obvious reasons. |
| 17:36.31 | dottedquad | i need to uninstall and reinstall xfree86.. can someone tell me the command on how to do this? |
| 17:36.35 | resiak | dottedquad: Why? |
| 17:36.35 | wpostma | MidgetSpy, if your debian box is also a DNS server, and your clients are connecting to it, as a dns server, then |
| 17:36.39 | wpostma | that is your answer. |
| 17:36.42 | Crasp | m0p: best guess would be to read the changelog of x.org |
| 17:36.48 | wpostma | The short answer is SAMBA doesn't know or care much. |
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| 17:37.19 | m0p | Hmm another thing, I reformatted recently, and lost my ati driver'ed kernel. I tried recompiling the latest kernel-source package and was greeted by an error when I booted from it. |
| 17:37.30 | MidgetSpy | wpostma: my clients use a different DNS server (one that is NOT this debian box) |
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| 17:37.32 | Alien_II | hey |
| 17:37.41 | Crasp | m0p: that doesn't help us at all :) |
| 17:37.48 | Alien_II | is "nvnet" (nvidia nforce network adapter) supported in debian netinst ? |
| 17:37.53 | m0p | something about an unknown block and in hd0,0 and recieved a kernel panic. |
| 17:37.58 | MidgetSpy | they see the hostname as "debian server" though - I thought it would maybe be the /etc/hostname but that's not it |
| 17:38.17 | m0p | And yes, I have compiled my SATA controller, my filesystem as drivers, not modules |
| 17:38.21 | Crasp | m0p: you probably have fs1 as a rootfs and no support for fs1 in your kernel |
| 17:38.39 | Crasp | m0p: are you using grub? |
| 17:38.43 | m0p | yup |
| 17:38.44 | MidgetSpy | wpostma: thanks for helping me out so far! |
| 17:39.06 | m0p | is that the problem? |
| 17:39.11 | jethro | MidgetSpy: is it different from what you have in /etc/hostname ? |
| 17:39.13 | Crasp | m0p: i know grub uses a somewhat different partition numbering when you're in the bootloader @ boottime then when you run it from the command prompt |
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| 17:39.25 | jethro | MidgetSpy: or do you want it different because it's not by default? |
| 17:39.36 | m0p | hmm, maybe I should put the root parameter different |
| 17:39.37 | wpostma | MidgetSpy, either you need to configure your own DNS server, or your own WINS server and make sure that YOURSMBSERVER is visible to your clients through it. |
| 17:39.41 | MidgetSpy | jethro: it is different |
| 17:39.42 | Crasp | m0p: i've had the problem before with a s-ata hd, but i can't remember exactly how i resolved it |
| 17:39.45 | jethro | wpostma: you didn't get the point |
| 17:39.52 | m0p | hmm, the stock kernel-image works fine |
| 17:39.57 | wpostma | oh. :-( |
| 17:40.13 | m0p | Maybe I compiled the wrong module as a driver |
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| 17:40.24 | jethro | MidgetSpy: could you give both names so I can see how different they are? |
| 17:40.24 | Crasp | m0p: but that's probably a 2.4 kernel and i think they did something with s-ata in 2.6 (scsi or not, has something to do with that) |
| 17:40.37 | m0p | No, I installed with a 2.6 kernel |
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| 17:40.59 | m0p | I had the 2.4 upgrade to 2.6 problem ages ago, now I always install with a 2.6. |
| 17:41.03 | Crasp | m0p: well my best guess is to read the changelog and search for grub, s-ata and your kernel on google |
| 17:41.15 | m0p | k |
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| 17:41.25 | MidgetSpy | jethro: /etc/hostname is "debian.wolfeden.ca". the samba name is "debian server (Samba 2.2.3a-14.2 for Debian (Debian)" |
| 17:41.42 | jethro | MidgetSpy: then your hostname is the same |
| 17:41.50 | directhex | Alien_II, nvnet is non-free and cannot be included. forcedeth is an open-source replacement, which is in Sarge's installer |
| 17:41.51 | yang | My Xfree86 are freezing, I get 99% CPU hit, I can still log in remotelly |
| 17:41.54 | jethro | MidgetSpy: which is the default on debian |
| 17:42.04 | jethro | MidgetSpy: change hostname to foobar and restart samba, you'll see by yourself |
| 17:42.09 | Alien_II | directhex: ahhhh *beep*.. sorry.. thats what i meant |
| 17:42.12 | Alien_II | directhex: hehhehe |
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| 17:42.21 | Alien_II | directhex: i was just basically asking if my network controller will work |
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| 17:42.30 | pipeline | yang: Sounds like an nvidia driver problem. kill -9 your X process and go on. |
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| 17:42.42 | Alien_II | directhex: also.. does sarge's netinst installer work on silicon image sata controllers? |
| 17:42.42 | directhex | Alien_II, if you use sarge, then yes |
| 17:42.42 | jethro | MidgetSpy: samba will tell "foobar server (Samba x.y.z for foobar) |
| 17:43.05 | m0p | ok, I am using the ata_piix SATA driver, but I have that compiled into the kernel as a builtin driver ;/ |
| 17:43.05 | directhex | Alien_II, again, yes, though i'd STRONGLY recommend installing with a 2.6 kernel on sata (linux26 at the boot: prompt) |
| 17:43.22 | yang | pipeline: yes, I am using nvidia :/ |
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| 17:43.38 | pipeline | yang: Yeah. nvidia makes unstable drivers. Fun, aren't they? |
| 17:43.40 | jethro | MidgetSpy: debian.wolfdeden.ca is a FQDN, and debian is the hostname in this FQDN |
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| 17:43.58 | yang | pipeline: so this is going to happen all the time? |
| 17:44.02 | PabloVV | hi, anybody can help me to install a pcmcia card? |
| 17:44.17 | pipeline | yang: Probably. Had issues like that with the 7167 drivers. It stopped happening after I stopped using the framebuffer console. |
| 17:44.21 | Annirak | How do I cause multiple matches per line in Sed? |
| 17:44.23 | MidgetSpy | jethro: hmm, ok I see. I've changed it and restarted, but who knows how long it'll take Windows to realize it's changed |
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| 17:44.32 | jethro | MidgetSpy: it takes a while |
| 17:44.33 | resiak | Annirak: /g |
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| 17:44.35 | MidgetSpy | thanks again for your help jethro |
| 17:44.38 | directhex | 7167 is buggy and obsolete, 7174 is more stable |
| 17:44.45 | jethro | MidgetSpy: unless you force your samba server to be the master browser |
| 17:44.46 | Annirak | resiak: thanks |
| 17:44.51 | jethro | MidgetSpy: you're welcome |
| 17:44.52 | pipeline | yang: If there's a "vga=<foo>" argument in your kernel line, remove it. |
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| 17:45.10 | wpostma | MidgetSpy, are you trying to find this: server string = %h server (Samba %v) |
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| 17:45.15 | m0p | hmm, isn't it posible to install the ati fglrx module without recompiling? isn't it something to do with kernel-headers package? |
| 17:45.18 | wpostma | That line is in my smb.conf global section. |
| 17:45.25 | yang | pipeline: so, can i somehow modify xfree86config, to stop that freezing?...I dont know i am using default sarge 2.4.27 |
| 17:45.34 | jethro | wpostma: no just expected the fqdn to be used |
| 17:45.40 | wpostma | ah. I see. |
| 17:45.43 | jethro | wpostma: which is not a valid behavior |
| 17:45.57 | PabloVV | help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:46.02 | pipeline | yang: I don't know. I told you what worked for me: I stopped using the framebuffer console. That's something controlled by the bootloader. |
| 17:46.04 | MidgetSpy | wpostma: as jethro said, but that line would be nice also - I will check for it :0) |
| 17:46.09 | pipeline | PabloVV: I think you'll probably have to ask a more specific question :P |
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| 17:46.21 | EdibleText | !help PabloVV |
| 17:46.24 | jethro | MidgetSpy: this line allows you to customize the server description |
| 17:46.31 | wpostma | because that line sets the server Description, which is NOT the same as the Server NAME. |
| 17:46.45 | maw | is there any way i can limit apaches uploading? |
| 17:46.51 | yang | pipeline: which file do i have to check for "vga=<foo>" |
| 17:46.55 | greycat | maw: mod_throttle, iptables |
| 17:46.58 | wpostma | Personally I put sometihing plain-english in there like "Bob's File Server". |
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| 17:47.30 | directhex | m0p, yes, it's possible. google for "flavio ati" |
| 17:47.34 | m0p | k |
| 17:47.40 | directhex | m0p, and follow everything flavio says TO THE LETTER |
| 17:47.41 | SR71BlackBird | hi |
| 17:48.05 | sparr_ | When I use ALSA dmix in xmms I get buzzing and clicking in my audio. Anyone got suggestions regarding this? |
| 17:48.21 | jethro | sparr_: /j #alsa ? |
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| 17:48.55 | beardy | In tar's info document, it's talked about backup scripts that is distributed with tar, called daily and weekly, or level-0 and level-1, where can those scripts be found? |
| 17:48.55 | sparr_ | jethro: excellent suggestion! next? |
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| 17:49.02 | jethro | sparr_: rtfm? :) |
| 17:49.08 | santiago | i have an old dpkg selection, i create a new one and do dpkg --set-selections < old-archive, i want to undo this, i do dpkg --set-selections < new-archive but nothing happens |
| 17:49.10 | directhex | sparr_, what sample rate is the input audio? |
| 17:49.28 | directhex | sparr_, and join #flood and paste your .asoundrc or asound.conf |
| 17:49.29 | yang | pipeline: System.map-2.4.27 has some vga settings |
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| 17:49.33 | sparr_ | directhex: hmm... its a 44khz ogg, but i cant be sure thats the rate being fed to ALSA, it could be up/down sampled |
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| 17:50.13 | sparr_ | directhex: ive tried with 5 sample asoundrc files from the web, right now im running without one |
| 17:50.16 | simonrvn | beardy: dpkg -L <package name> |
| 17:50.41 | pipeline | yang: No, no -- the kernel arguments. |
| 17:50.44 | maw | greycat: is mod_throttle in apt? |
| 17:50.52 | pipeline | yang: Like "root=/dev/hda1" or what-have-you. |
| 17:51.03 | pipeline | yang: They're controlled by lilo or grub. In the case of grub, it would be in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:51.15 | m0p | directhex, doesn't really explain how to install the module... |
| 17:51.20 | yang | pipeline: i use lilo |
| 17:51.20 | directhex | sparr_, clicking is a common result of using dmix where the sample rate of the audio differs from the sample rate of your ac97 clock. commonly ac97 clocks to 48000Hz, and you set up your dmixer plugin to downsample to/from 44100Hz |
| 17:51.34 | directhex | m0p, you didn't read it properly then |
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| 17:51.40 | m0p | hmmm |
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| 17:51.54 | m0p | I searched the page for it, nothing. |
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| 17:52.23 | yang | pipeline: i dont think this file is in /boot |
| 17:52.25 | directhex | sparr_, use the asound.conf _I_ provided in #cedega, and DON'T set your output plugin to anything custom in xmms - let it use the default pcm output. |
| 17:52.38 | pipeline | yang: That's because you're using lilo. I don't use lilo, I can't explain lilo to you. |
| 17:52.46 | simonrvn_ | sometimes i get fed up with irssi behaving like that. to thepoint where it blocks you from even typing properly... |
| 17:52.48 | BenDrake | hey all, I am using Debian sarge, and when I try to mount a usb drive, I get 'wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda/ or too many mounted file systems |
| 17:52.55 | BenDrake | how can I remedy this? |
| 17:52.56 | m0p | Ahh, found it: http://www.melb.apana.org.au/wiki/ATIRadeon9600 |
| 17:53.23 | pipeline | BenDrake: "/dev/sda/" is a valid device? |
| 17:53.49 | BenDrake | its registered in the mnt folder |
| 17:53.49 | sparr_ | directhex: ' |
| 17:53.55 | sparr_ | directhex: 'Couldn't Open Audio' |
| 17:54.04 | directhex | m0p, http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#install |
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| 17:54.30 | BenDrake | how do I check if its a valid device? |
| 17:54.35 | EdibleText | BenDrake, /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 ? |
| 17:54.48 | EdibleText | BenDrake, try mounting /dev/sda1 |
| 17:55.00 | sparr_ | directhex: if i set xmms to use 'dmix' as its alsa output then it mixes, but i get clicking |
| 17:55.00 | yang | pipeline: probably it is line vga=normal in /etc/lilo.conf , should I uncomment that? |
| 17:55.05 | directhex | sparr_, this is with my asound.conf, and alsa output to "default"? |
| 17:55.06 | pipeline | BenDrake: psst if you're using gnome, you can install gnome-volume-manager, add your account to the "plugdev" group, and it'll just work with no futzing around with fstab or "mount" |
| 17:55.23 | sparr_ | directhex: yes. (and now with 'dmix' it froze xmms) |
| 17:55.28 | directhex | pipeline, even without gnome, just run gnome-volume-manager & on login |
| 17:55.29 | pipeline | yang: just delete anything that says "vga=" to disable the framebuffer console when you boot. |
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| 17:55.54 | BenDrake | ooooh, im using fluxbox. |
| 17:55.59 | pipeline | directhex: Yeah, but it has tons of gnome dependencies. |
| 17:55.59 | amorphix | me too |
| 17:56.13 | amorphix | BenDrake which style do you like? |
| 17:56.18 | pipeline | directhex: Then again, most good apps do have tons of gnome dependencies, so everyone earth has them f'in installed. |
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| 17:56.20 | BenDrake | okay, sda1 mounts alright |
| 17:56.30 | directhex | pipeline, exactly. |
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| 17:56.44 | sparr_ | directhex: with your asound.conf as ~/.asoundrc or as /etc/asound.conf |
| 17:56.46 | FieldySnuts | lame. i get a 3com gigabit nic and it's got a broadcom chip on it... fuckers |
| 17:56.58 | BenDrake | I like the 0.9.11 default, its a nice grey scheme :0) |
| 17:57.02 | directhex | sparr_, i'm not sure how much it matters. i always use asound.conf though |
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| 17:57.32 | pipeline | directhex: Someday gnome will be the dominant environment. Not because it's any good, not because anyone likes it, but because you have to have the libraries to use applications :P |
| 17:57.38 | BenDrake | but its not registering the second device. its a mp3 player, with expandable memory |
| 17:57.46 | pipeline | Second device? |
| 17:57.52 | pipeline | Ah, I gotcha |
| 17:57.56 | directhex | FieldySnuts, tg3? |
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| 17:58.05 | FieldySnuts | i don't know, i sure as hell hope not. |
| 17:58.16 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: whaat? FFS |
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| 17:58.20 | beardy | yang: Are you trying to not to use the framebuffer when booting? |
| 17:58.25 | FieldySnuts | how can I tell? i can't put it in the server till later. |
| 17:58.26 | sparr_ | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:868:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 17:58.26 | sparr_ | ** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (default): Device or resource busy |
| 17:58.29 | yang | pipeline: i uncomment it, i hope it will stop crashing now, thanks |
| 17:58.30 | FieldySnuts | @lart sparr_ |
| 17:58.31 | sparr_ | directhex: ^^ |
| 17:58.34 | directhex | FieldySnuts, only broadcom i can see in menuconfig |
| 17:58.40 | yang | beardy: yes, something like that |
| 17:58.44 | directhex | sparr_, what desktop environment do you run? |
| 17:58.49 | sparr_ | gnome usually |
| 17:58.55 | directhex | sparr_, killall esd artsd |
| 17:59.00 | FieldySnuts | oh it is in the kernel? i was under the impression to support anything broadcom you had to have tg3 which was a patch-on. |
| 17:59.16 | beardy | yang: append="video=vga16:off" |
| 17:59.17 | directhex | FieldySnuts, non-dfsg firmware needed |
| 17:59.19 | BenDrake | yeah, my mp3 player has internal memory, and will take a sd card. sda1 is the internal, but I cant mount the SD card |
| 17:59.26 | FieldySnuts | if that's the case, this is going back. |
| 17:59.26 | [4-tea-2] | hi folks. anyone here using php4-apd on sarge successfully? (when I try it, it tells me the apd_* functions are undefined) |
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| 17:59.42 | yang | beardy: into lilo.conf? |
| 17:59.43 | FieldySnuts | *sigh* I didn't think 3com would stoop to broadcom lameness, so much for them being on my quality list. |
| 17:59.45 | sparr_ | directhex: done. didnt help. |
| 17:59.48 | directhex | FieldySnuts, sk98lin seems to work quite nicely though. marvell gigabit |
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| 17:59.59 | simonrvn | i'd return it on principle... f'ing broadcom |
| 17:59.59 | beardy | yang: Yes. Into lilo.conf. |
| 18:00.03 | FieldySnuts | exactly. |
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| 18:00.19 | jetx | i love you man |
| 18:00.19 | FieldySnuts | it'll be fun explaining to my boss (windows admin) |
| 18:00.23 | FieldySnuts | </rant> |
| 18:00.26 | directhex | sparr_, i'm stuck then. i wasn't just trying to annoy oneandone with my catch-all solution, it really is the simplest & most guaranteed way to solve it |
| 18:00.29 | chance2105 | Is there a secret to getting a sun type5 keyboard working under X? |
| 18:00.44 | jetx | load the module, 2.6 iirc |
| 18:00.45 | greycat | chance2105: lower your expectations? |
| 18:00.52 | directhex | FieldySnuts, it's about the only part of my home theatre pc which justworks on sarge XD |
| 18:00.52 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: :/ |
| 18:01.00 | directhex | chance2105, the USB one? |
| 18:01.12 | chance2105 | greycat: if 'lowering my expectations' means not spending four days searching the internet (like I have), then maybe. |
| 18:01.22 | BenDrake | do you suppose that its finding the device, but not creating a point to mount it? |
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| 18:01.43 | FieldySnuts | oh well, went through the trouble of ordering it, i could at least give the thing a shot. |
| 18:01.50 | chance2105 | directhex: No. Regular serial type5 |
| 18:01.58 | sydneyfong | BenDrake, try mounting /dev/sda2 or /dev/sdb1 |
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| 18:02.17 | directhex | FieldySnuts, time to brush up on your make-kpkg skills, and upstream sources |
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| 18:02.30 | EdibleText | BenDrake, look at dmesg after you plug in the drive |
| 18:02.40 | FieldySnuts | not really, i do anything kernel related myself, we'll see |
| 18:02.55 | BenDrake | ahrgg.. its saying that it can not determine the filesystem. |
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| 18:03.08 | BenDrake | i formated it as fat. |
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| 18:03.42 | pipeline | BenDrake: zero out the first few blocks and then format it as fat, it might be seeing something spurious |
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| 18:04.00 | pipeline | BenDrake: dd if=/dev/zero of=<foo> bs=1024 count=500 |
| 18:04.57 | chance2105 | directhex: ATM, the X server is setup using the usual "sun" "type5" "us". I've had some interesting results from changing the console keyboard mapping (as I've read that can have an effect) .. but the best I can seem to do is getting the '1234' keys to respond 'asdf' |
| 18:05.01 | sydneyfong | pipeline: what for? |
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| 18:05.07 | witless | j #politics |
| 18:05.43 | m0p | hmm, I installed the binary kernel module, will that work without recompiling the kernel? |
| 18:05.46 | m0p | or not. |
| 18:05.52 | directhex | chance2105, i had a usb sun keyboard, which was just plain awful. in the end i gave up & demanded a proper keyboard |
| 18:05.59 | directhex | m0p, try it. modprobe fglrx |
| 18:06.03 | m0p | ok |
| 18:06.07 | directhex | m0p, if you get unresolved symbols messages, then no |
| 18:06.09 | BenDrake | pipeline: how do you mean? that is completely new to me |
| 18:06.10 | pipeline | sydneyfong: If he formatted it as FAT, it may not have overwritten the old partition table. |
| 18:06.15 | EdibleText | chance2105, but now you wont have the windows key |
| 18:06.21 | m0p | loaded correctly :) |
| 18:06.21 | pipeline | sydneyfong: I had that problem with a USB keychain yesterday :P |
| 18:06.27 | chance2105 | EdibleText: :p |
| 18:06.33 | m0p | so, I just gotta install the driver and configure X? |
| 18:06.39 | chance2105 | Well, I'm *on* a sparc box, so.. :) |
| 18:06.43 | EdibleText | heh |
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| 18:07.13 | pipeline | chance2105: It should "just work" with no bullshit. |
| 18:07.16 | sydneyfong | pipeline: isn't the partition table in /dev/sda ? |
| 18:07.22 | m0p | oh, plus, if I'm using an intel i875 chipset, what agp module should I use, intel_agp or intel_mch_agp? |
| 18:07.35 | chance2105 | Besides, if I switched from this keyboard, I'd miss the 'Props' key |
| 18:07.36 | pipeline | sydneyfong: Yes, that's what I mean. If he formatted sda, it might be reading the scraps of a partition table that aren't supposed to be there any more. |
| 18:08.07 | directhex | that's why i always hit o in fdisk |
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| 18:08.44 | simonrvn | EdibleText: heh |
| 18:08.53 | chance2105 | pipeline: no such luck unfortunately |
| 18:09.28 | sydneyfong | pipeline: i would assume his partition tables are fine... at least his sda1 looks good. |
| 18:09.36 | m0p | If I use the agpgart module, do I need internalagp as No in X's config? |
| 18:09.54 | m0p | or is the agpgart the internal agp? |
| 18:10.00 | chance2105 | pipeline: I had the experience of .. on initial install, not knowing what the IP address was of my computer .. and on boot, gdm came up with a b0rked keymap .. so much for ssh'ing into it or switching VT's, had to reinstall |
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| 18:10.09 | dafresh | hi all, anyone can tell me why postfix is dependant of emacs & xfree86-common ? i am under sarge |
| 18:10.28 | dafresh | i really dont anderstand -anything- ... |
| 18:11.04 | directhex | m0p, agpgart is the kernel's agp drivers, as opposed to fglrx's agp drivers |
| 18:11.09 | m0p | hmm |
| 18:11.20 | cahoot | dafresh: apt-cache show postfix doesn't list any of those deps |
| 18:11.42 | directhex | m0p, fglrx will not try to use internalagp if agpgart is loaded, but you may have awful perfoemance on way or the other dependong on totally random factors |
| 18:11.43 | banjo | dafresh: where do you get that list, dpkg -s postfix doesn't show it either |
| 18:11.53 | sydneyfong | !depends postfix |
| 18:11.55 | m0p | so, should I load agpgart, fglrx or both? |
| 18:11.58 | dpkg | postfix: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libgdbm3, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, netbase, adduser (>= 3.48), dpkg (>= 1.8.3) |
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| 18:12.03 | directhex | m0p, you've done the easy part of fglrx installation |
| 18:12.08 | chance2105 | Searching debian-sparc, there seems to be quite a bit of 'odd' when it comes to the type5 keyboards. |
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| 18:12.20 | directhex | m0p, you NEED fglrx loaded for 3d. you may or may not need agpgart loaded for performance |
| 18:12.26 | m0p | k |
| 18:12.36 | dafresh | cahoot: aptitude install postfix want to install xfree86-common and some emacs stuff |
| 18:12.41 | dafresh | cahoot: really ... |
| 18:13.00 | banjo | dafresh: those packages may have been updated |
| 18:13.03 | m0p | so it's a simple matter or rebooting with fglrx in /etc/modules, configuring X and restarting X? |
| 18:13.07 | m0p | or is there more? |
| 18:13.22 | banjo | dafresh: so it is just getting new versions, not installing them due to dependencies |
| 18:13.33 | greycat | m0p: where's the "simple" part? oh yeah, restarting X. |
| 18:13.40 | greycat | I suppose "startx" is pretty simple. |
| 18:13.53 | dafresh | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 18:13.53 | dafresh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.53 | dafresh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.53 | dafresh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:14.08 | dafresh | ouch ... |
| 18:14.10 | sparr_ | What does the Gnome CD Player use for audio output? alsa/oss/arts/etc |
| 18:14.10 | dafresh | sry |
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| 18:14.31 | sydneyfong | dafresh: perhaps you did something with aptitude so it wants to install emacs? |
| 18:14.33 | BadMan | well, read the topic do not paste here, use #flood or ask dpkg about paster |
| 18:14.41 | BadMan | !paster |
| 18:14.41 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
| 18:14.53 | dafresh | sydneyfong: aptitude install return nothing |
| 18:15.26 | sydneyfong | dafresh: try installing sth else..... |
| 18:15.28 | dafresh | hum ... with apt-get install it seems better .. |
| 18:15.39 | dafresh | aptitude do some strange stuff ... |
| 18:15.54 | banjo | dafresh: long live dselect |
| 18:16.05 | simonrvn | you need to tweak aptitude a bit so it won't "do strange stuff" |
| 18:16.11 | jetx | !banjo++ |
| 18:16.22 | jetx | !dselect |
| 18:16.22 | dpkg | from memory, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 18:16.23 | simonrvn | banjo: :) |
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| 18:16.35 | drac | wonderful? hah. |
| 18:16.42 | jetx | it rox |
| 18:16.43 | dafresh | sydneyfong: yeah i think i will return back to use apt-get too |
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| 18:17.00 | Remmy | Hi, I'm running sarge and want to install bacula... but apt-get doesn't seem to know about it... can anyone tell me what would be wrong with my sources.list? |
| 18:17.03 | yang | beardy, pipeline my Xs are still freezing :/ |
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| 18:17.17 | jetx | Remmy: might be in contrib or non-free, i've seen it |
| 18:17.20 | dafresh | it seems aptitude install by defend the recommended packages .. |
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| 18:17.28 | pipeline | yang: :( |
| 18:17.28 | greycat | bacula? is that the porcine vampire thriller? |
| 18:17.41 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:17.42 | jetx | !find bacula |
| 18:17.43 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'bacula' (14): bacula ;; bacula-client ;; bacula-common ;; bacula-console ;; bacula-console-gnome ;; bacula-director-common ;; bacula-director-mysql ;; bacula-director-pgsql ;; bacula-director-sqlite ;; bacula-doc ;; bacula-fd ;; bacula-sd ;; bacula-server ;; bacula-wxconsole. |
| 18:17.46 | Rawplayer | it who is wasted wtih bacardi |
| 18:17.57 | pipeline | yang: Other things you can try: Using nvAGP instead of AGPGART (it's explained in the nvidia README file) ; disabling render acceleration. |
| 18:18.05 | drac | ula |
| 18:18.10 | simonrvn | the porcine vampire wasted on barcdi rhum |
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| 18:18.17 | simonrvn | bacardi* |
| 18:18.23 | Remmy | jetx: I have contrib and non-free in my sources.list too |
| 18:18.25 | pipeline | yang: Lastly, either upgrading your kernel or downgrading your drivers. Nvidia drivers can be a bit fiddly :) |
| 18:18.28 | jetx | otoh, the nvidia .run seems to 'just work'(tm) |
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| 18:18.33 | zhrek | is /proc/bus/usb automatically updated when I insert usb hardware ? |
| 18:18.36 | jetx | Remmy: no idea |
| 18:18.37 | Remmy | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 18:18.40 | jetx | !info bacula |
| 18:18.42 | dpkg | bacula: (Network backup, recovery and verification (Meta-package)), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.36.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 80 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 18:18.50 | jetx | !info bacula sarge |
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| 18:18.55 | jetx | not there |
| 18:19.02 | jetx | ? |
| 18:19.04 | Remmy | But isn't sarge equal to testing? |
| 18:19.09 | jetx | yes |
| 18:19.13 | jetx | atm |
| 18:19.17 | FieldySnuts | <whine> actually the chip on this 3com nic says 3com broadcom technology alliance.. great, i think I'll start avoiding 3com :(</close-of-whatever-i-opened> |
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| 18:19.22 | directhex | jethro, nvidia installer WILL kill your system. maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life |
| 18:19.22 | Selecter | How to workaround this bug? (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing rosegarden4 (--remove): |
| 18:19.23 | Selecter | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.23 | Selecter | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:19.23 | Selecter | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.24 | FieldySnuts | @lart 3com |
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| 18:19.36 | jetx | directhex: cain't tell |
| 18:19.38 | yang | pipeline: if i install other nvidia drivers from : http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~sasuomin/nvidia.txt , will that help? |
| 18:19.42 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: oh crap :(. me too then |
| 18:19.49 | simonrvn | see ya tulip |
| 18:19.55 | Remmy | jetx: But http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=bacula&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all does list it... I'm lost |
| 18:19.55 | yang | pipeline: i had this card installed on previous linux and it didnt freeze there? |
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| 18:20.06 | FieldySnuts | sheesh, all I ahve left is intel e100 / e1000 |
| 18:20.11 | FieldySnuts | er that i trust |
| 18:20.14 | directhex | FieldySnuts, or sk98lin |
| 18:20.22 | FieldySnuts | whats that |
| 18:20.24 | jetx | Remmy: it should function. no idea. |
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| 18:20.30 | FieldySnuts | is it server grade? |
| 18:20.31 | jetx | apt-get update? |
| 18:20.37 | directhex | FieldySnuts, marvell yukon gigabit |
| 18:20.41 | Remmy | jetx: Ok, thanks... lemme try that... |
| 18:20.59 | directhex | FieldySnuts, server grade? no idea, i'm afraid. if it's not myrinet or infiniband, it doesn't go into our machines ;P |
| 18:21.09 | jetx | dpkg never said yes or no to that being in sarge |
| 18:21.26 | jetx | jsut [13:18:53] <dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:21.28 | dvs | FieldySnuts: sk98lin works with my 3Com marvel 940 |
| 18:21.28 | Remmy | jetx: That did it... it must be a quite recent addition then |
| 18:21.36 | jetx | \o/ |
| 18:21.36 | directhex | !info bacula sarge |
| 18:21.38 | dpkg | bacula: (Network backup, recovery and verification (Meta-package)), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.36.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 80 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 18:21.39 | FieldySnuts | is marvel a chipset or a brand? |
| 18:21.44 | jetx | oh yeah now it works |
| 18:21.54 | dpkg | bacula: (Network backup, recovery and verification (Meta-package)), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.36.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 80 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 18:21.54 | directhex | FieldySnuts, marvell are a major silicon manufacturer |
| 18:21.58 | jetx | just like a car or a box |
| 18:22.05 | dvs | FieldySnuts: 3Com is the company, marvel I guess is the product name |
| 18:22.11 | directhex | FieldySnuts, they made the serial ata conversion chip on most early sata drives, for example |
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| 18:22.25 | directhex | www.marvell.com |
| 18:22.25 | FieldySnuts | on related notes, i also ditched adaptec for disk controllers, i got one and it had a fucking silicon image chip. morons. |
| 18:22.36 | FieldySnuts | all these manufacturers keep going the lame route |
| 18:22.37 | simonrvn | whaaat? .... |
| 18:22.39 | Remmy | Thanks for your help jetx :) |
| 18:22.44 | jetx | is that like SIIG? |
| 18:22.44 | simonrvn | cheap bastards |
| 18:22.45 | FieldySnuts | yeah, i was in shock |
| 18:22.46 | jetx | np |
| 18:22.48 | chance2105 | Hmm ok so much for that. Installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2-sparc64-smp (i think's the name) .. rebooted .. kernel panic 'cannot open dev/console' aargh. |
| 18:22.54 | directhex | FieldySnuts, yeah, all low-end adaptecs are siimage with fucked bioses to make them worse than a $20 siimage card |
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| 18:23.02 | FieldySnuts | directhex: oh exactly |
| 18:23.12 | FieldySnuts | i'm so sick of this non-100% hardware shit |
| 18:23.18 | FieldySnuts | assholes </rant> |
| 18:23.20 | directhex | FieldySnuts, high-end adaptecs are siimages with a dedicated cpu to abstract it. which is a rather elegant solution |
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| 18:23.41 | directhex | FieldySnuts, to be fair though, at least siimage is supported in the kernel. highpoiunt or promise would be more of a problem |
| 18:23.43 | FieldySnuts | we stick with lsi logic these days, hope they don't go that way |
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| 18:24.04 | jetx | are promises 100% hardware, or just some, or none? |
| 18:24.10 | FieldySnuts | none tha ti know of |
| 18:24.20 | yang | pipeline: my dmesg also outputs this: Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=301 video=vga16:off |
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| 18:24.23 | FieldySnuts | promises are pretty lame |
| 18:24.26 | directhex | jetx, 100% not, with awful linux support |
| 18:24.26 | BenDrake | hmm, what is a bad superblock? |
| 18:24.28 | FieldySnuts | might work for home i guess though |
| 18:24.42 | FieldySnuts | such things are cheap for a reason |
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| 18:24.55 | jetx | yeah, you do get what you pay for |
| 18:25.04 | directhex | http://www.marvell.com/products/pcconn/yukon/88E8003.jsp |
| 18:25.16 | asuffield | although promise IDE controllers are pretty good in their own right, and the drivers for that part work just fine |
| 18:25.30 | asuffield | just don't ever use the raid function. use linux's own software raid implementation |
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| 18:25.32 | yang | what means spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7. ? |
| 18:26.00 | asuffield | yang: busted hardware. probably a crappy ACPI implementation |
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| 18:26.01 | directhex | asuffield, widh i didn't have to use 2.6.11 to get support for my promise sata |
| 18:26.09 | caphuso | yang: it means: "ignore this message" |
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| 18:26.24 | Vince34 | hello (: |
| 18:26.47 | asuffield | it's pretty much harmless, except for a minor performance impact due to useless interrupt churn |
| 18:26.57 | sparr_ | setting up alsa dmix i get a lot of static with 'rate 44100' and a little with 'rate 48000'. trial and error on this scale will take weeks, where might i find information on the correct setting? |
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| 18:27.49 | directhex | sparr_, change the buffers line instead, leave it at rate 44100. |
| 18:28.13 | chance2105 | heey .. the number keys work now .. w00t. |
| 18:28.23 | chance2105 | so much for backspace. |
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| 18:28.30 | pingouin | can you give me the name of the apps, that work *also* on windows Os, to chat ? with a *free* protocol (to avoid the msn problem) ? exept irc apps, just kind of Instant Msg ? |
| 18:28.47 | davem | pingouin: Check out jabber. |
| 18:28.49 | mentor | Jabber stuff? |
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| 18:29.00 | Ronin | pingouin: gaim also |
| 18:29.03 | kurumin | j vivaolinux |
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| 18:29.03 | sparr_ | directhex: buffer_size ? |
| 18:29.07 | pingouin | ok thx, gonna check that |
| 18:29.17 | sparr_ | pingouin: gaim |
| 18:29.20 | Crasp | bitlbee? |
| 18:29.31 | directhex | sparr_, yeah, whatever. i don't remember. the file i linked to always worked 100% for my onboard sound, and now i have an audigy i don't need to deal with this shit |
| 18:29.36 | chance2105 | GAIM uses proprietary networks (if .. that's the phrase I'm looking for, prone to changes) |
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| 18:29.42 | directhex | sparr_, gaim & jabber? |
| 18:29.55 | pingouin | Crasp: bitlbee is just a gateway, troubles to connect too often, one day, i'm sure mircosoft will cut it for us :/ |
| 18:29.57 | davem | gaim also supports jabber, sortof |
| 18:29.58 | chance2105 | Jabber is really the only 'free' implementation of IM |
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| 18:30.03 | chance2105 | AFAIK |
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| 18:30.12 | Crasp | pingouin: well it uses gaim so i'm pretty sure that will be cut then as well :) |
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| 18:30.15 | pingouin | go for jabber |
| 18:30.19 | pingouin | thx |
| 18:30.22 | aardvark | asuffield: can you get rid of oN is ~VaNLI@81.212.173.3 * BodrumGirl_in_Sex before it starts spamming? |
| 18:30.24 | directhex | one of the three versions of the AIM protocol is fairly open |
| 18:31.02 | greycat | aardvark: that's pushing it. |
| 18:31.22 | aardvark | greycat: it's a time delay spambot. it's going to start spamming random people. |
| 18:31.46 | aardvark | -!- Irssi: 81.212.173.3: mstr81212-44291.dial-in.ttnet.net.tr |
| 18:31.49 | pingouin | Crasp: probably, but i wish to make my friend move from msn, to something else, i can also use easily, in irssi would be great ;) |
| 18:32.03 | directhex | i'm a time-delay spambot. |
| 18:32.07 | pingouin | and easy to install for windows users |
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| 18:32.30 | pingouin | Crasp: for that bitlbee is great |
| 18:32.36 | greycat | aardvark: damn it, did someone remove my ban on *.ttnet.net.tr? |
| 18:32.49 | aardvark | greycat: it's an unresolved IP. |
| 18:33.09 | directhex | greycat, someone complained about the ban |
| 18:33.10 | greycat | !punish turkey for sucking |
| 18:33.16 | greycat | directhex: so set exceptions. |
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| 18:33.24 | aardvark | inetnum: 81.212.0.0 - 81.212.255.255 netname: TTNET |
| 18:33.24 | greycat | it's +E, isn't ti? |
| 18:33.37 | directhex | greycat, i have NO idea, i don't have +o on anywhere relevant on freenode |
| 18:33.39 | aardvark | greycat: the ip range isn't banned |
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| 18:34.20 | Crasp | pingouin: i never had any problems with msn using bitlbee |
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| 18:34.29 | m0p | Ok, I got ATi drivers workin correctly! |
| 18:35.02 | m0p | I heard that you can setup antialiasing by editing the xf86 config, is this true? |
| 18:35.06 | dvs | !beer m0p |
| 18:35.13 | m0p | Mmm, beer. |
| 18:35.25 | dvs | m0p: man, you deserve it! |
| 18:35.38 | m0p | Yep, I did the (not)impossible. :P |
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| 18:36.06 | directhex | m0p, yes, it's true. do you want the documentation on it? |
| 18:36.14 | m0p | please |
| 18:36.56 | Becca | Hey, I just purchased a new computer, and I am having a hard time finding out which video driver I need for x -- it is onboard video for an Asrock k7s41gx |
| 18:36.57 | Becca | Any ideas? |
| 18:37.05 | directhex | m0p, join #flood |
| 18:37.10 | pipeline | yang: Yeah, so you're already not-using the framebuffer console. |
| 18:37.16 | dvs | Becca: Have you tried lspci? |
| 18:37.23 | Rambo3 | are there any limitations on how much data can be stored in /home/ dir . or is it untill parition is full? |
| 18:37.27 | directhex | Becca, what does google say the onboard video is? infact, what does lspci say? |
| 18:37.39 | Becca | I ain't even done installing the system yet :) |
| 18:37.43 | directhex | Rambo3, partition, unless you havew quotas enabled |
| 18:37.50 | zinx | Becca: you should still have access to lspci |
| 18:37.57 | Becca | But its a real 256E as far as I know |
| 18:38.00 | zinx | Becca: and your motherboard's manual should say what video card it has |
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| 18:38.21 | sydneyfong | Rambo3: until partition is full, or until your user quota is full |
| 18:38.31 | Becca | it says a lot of SIS stuffs under chipset, but it doesn't say which is the onboard vid |
| 18:38.44 | Rambo3 | ty. ty nr 2 |
| 18:38.55 | zinx | Becca: looks to be SiS |
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| 18:39.15 | Becca | Well, at absolute worst, I try again after. :) |
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| 18:39.21 | directhex | Real 256E. what the _hell_ is Real 256E? |
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| 18:39.42 | Becca | How the heck would I know, directhex? I'm just looking at website stuff./ |
| 18:39.57 | Becca | I can put the pieces together, but I get lost around installation time :) |
| 18:40.15 | zinx | directhex: a SiS chipset :/ |
| 18:40.17 | sander_ | I get... vgscan -- LVM driver/module not loaded? |
| 18:40.24 | sander_ | which module should I load.? |
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| 18:40.45 | directhex | zinx, yes, seems so |
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| 18:40.56 | Becca | Though, I'm trying to figure out what to do with 6 spare USB ports... |
| 18:40.59 | brusso | hello |
| 18:41.01 | m0p | woot, brb, restarting X. |
| 18:41.18 | directhex | Becca, usb mince pies. |
| 18:41.48 | Becca | Heh! Maybe. |
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| 18:42.06 | m0p | Done, ok, now to install games... |
| 18:42.09 | brusso | I have a problem with qpopper and inetd |
| 18:42.12 | dvs | m0p: That was fast |
| 18:42.14 | directhex | i see no suggestion that "SiS Real 256E" works. |
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| 18:42.27 | m0p | I only restarted X, I can do that in 10 secs. |
| 18:42.33 | directhex | m0p, did you make sure you get a reasonable rate reported by glxgears at default window size? |
| 18:42.37 | m0p | yep |
| 18:42.48 | m0p | done that before I enabled FSAA though |
| 18:42.49 | zinx | directhex: aye, Becca may be stuck with vesa :/ |
| 18:42.51 | directhex | m0p, more than 1k? |
| 18:42.55 | m0p | yep |
| 18:43.00 | m0p | 5000. |
| 18:43.02 | directhex | m0p, okay then, just checking |
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| 18:43.15 | brusso | inetd, stop |
| 18:43.24 | Supaplex | will opencrx run on apache tomcat? (runs on jboss among others) |
| 18:43.29 | pingouin | by the way, bitlbee allow also jabber im protocol, ? |
| 18:43.44 | sydneyfong | Becca: USB Flexlights -- http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/lights/5a84/ |
| 18:43.47 | m0p | wow, FSAA made glxgears look corrupted! |
| 18:44.04 | m0p | stupid ATI |
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| 18:44.06 | brusso | qpopper stop |
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| 18:44.41 | directhex | m0p, you should get used to it sooner rather than later |
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| 18:45.03 | m0p | what, ATi's crap drivers? already got used to it! |
| 18:45.22 | m0p | They lockup whenever I play hl2 in cedega, so I have to run it natively in win2k :( |
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| 18:45.46 | directhex | http://www.usbmincepies.co.uk/ |
| 18:45.59 | directhex | m0p, yes, ati's crap drivers |
| 18:46.17 | mishof | hello, I've added a secondary harddisk partition to my /etc/fstab but now only root can write to it. how can i change that ? |
| 18:46.23 | Becca | *L* That is so cute |
| 18:46.37 | m0p | I await the day decent Linux drivers from ATi exist |
| 18:46.44 | m0p | ok, bbl |
| 18:46.46 | FieldySnuts | you'll die first |
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| 18:46.55 | FieldySnuts | @lart ATI |
| 18:46.59 | BadMan | lol m0p try nvidia |
| 18:47.01 | pingouin | m0p: i got one, work perfectly ;) |
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| 18:47.06 | directhex | i don't know, i think competition is gonna get very interesting very soon in linux graphics support |
| 18:47.07 | FieldySnuts | he left |
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| 18:47.22 | FieldySnuts | i doubt it, but hey i could be wrong |
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| 18:47.26 | FieldySnuts | show me wrong, ati, and others |
| 18:47.30 | Jon | heh |
| 18:47.38 | directhex | today we've had full DRI source for Via UniChrome released, and 2D from XGI for the Volari series of GPUs |
| 18:47.47 | mishof | any1 knows how to make a partition in fstab writable by all users ?? |
| 18:47.50 | Jon | linux graphics support, seems odd no good oss GL drivers exist yet everyone seems to be focussing on GL powered X, window managers etc. |
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| 18:48.00 | greycat | mishof: why? |
| 18:48.01 | dvs | mishof: Add "user" as a flag |
| 18:48.07 | Jon | directhex: hm it appears I am wrong then :) |
| 18:48.08 | greycat | dvs: careful... |
| 18:48.11 | Crasp | Jon: that's more because people do not care about oss ;) |
| 18:48.11 | simonrvn | and ogl is fucking slow |
| 18:48.24 | Jon | mishof: what options are used for your normal partition? |
| 18:48.27 | directhex | Jon, the old ati r200 and via onboard graphics have open opengl |
| 18:48.28 | BadMan | hmm, I'm bored.. I think I will go wipe out my wifes winbox and isntall woody on it just for shits and giggles... I could get beat to death.. maybe Iw ill back \up a few files first 8-) |
| 18:48.29 | Crasp | ogl is not slow at all |
| 18:48.29 | mishof | dvs, added "rw" and "user" and it doesnt work |
| 18:48.50 | dvs | mishof: What does the entry say exactly? |
| 18:48.51 | Crasp | if you want to add macosx style animations in it you better have something like opengl so you can let your videocard handle it instead of your cpu |
| 18:49.14 | mishof | dvs, /dev/hdb1/dataext3defaults,rw,user,errors=remount-ro 0 0 (i made it up) |
| 18:49.20 | Jon | mishof: if it's a UNIX partition type, just set the group or user of the filesystem |
| 18:49.28 | BadMan | I seena laptop with macosx on it, it had a kewl flip screen loging deal.. |
| 18:49.32 | BadMan | er login |
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| 18:49.47 | greycat | dpkg, flw33 is <BadMan> hmm, I'm bored.. I think I will go wipe out my wifes winbox and isntall woody on it just for shits and giggles... I could get beat to death.. maybe Iw ill back \up a few files first 8-) |
| 18:49.47 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 18:49.52 | directhex | osx is like wading through treacle. the whole thing seems lagged to buggery |
| 18:49.54 | greycat | dpkg, famous last words =~ s/32/32|33/ |
| 18:49.54 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 18:49.58 | Jon | directhex: agreed |
| 18:50.06 | mishof | Jon, you mean something like "chmod 777 /data" ? (im a noob) |
| 18:50.19 | directhex | or walking on custard, i hear you can do that as long as you keep moving with maximum force |
| 18:50.23 | BadMan | !flw33 |
| 18:50.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flw33 is <BadMan> hmm, I'm bored.. I think I will go wipe out my wifes winbox and isntall woody on it just for shits and giggles... I could get beat to death.. maybe Iw ill back up a few files first 8-) |
| 18:50.27 | Jon | Crasp: indeed, but I *don't* want those effects, and I feel increasingly in a minority |
| 18:50.30 | greycat | mishof: 1777 might be better. |
| 18:50.36 | greycat | !wikifaq mishof Permissions |
| 18:50.36 | BadMan | lol |
| 18:50.37 | dpkg | mishof: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:50.51 | Jon | mishof: well why do you want everyone to write to it? do you want it to have same perms as e.g. your home dir? in which case chown/chmod it |
| 18:50.52 | Crasp | Jon: well i wouldn't mind, but as long as i don't _have to_ use it |
| 18:50.58 | greycat | !famous last words |
| 18:50.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flw13 is Viccinalis [~userlogin@bb220-255-25-217.singnet.com.sg] has quit ["Debian Unstable/Experimental...Linux on STEROIDS!!!"] |
| 18:51.21 | chance2105 | muahaha . .found it. sun type5 fix was just under my nose. |
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| 18:51.33 | directhex | Jon, just because youi don't want them, doesn't mean others don't and that there shou;ld be no development in that area. personally i'd quite like hardware-accelerated x, not for silly whizzy osx effects, but simple things like hardware transparency |
| 18:52.05 | Jon | directhex: HW transparency goes in the silly whizzy osx effects box in my book :) But I have heard semi-rational arguments for their use. I'll be quiet now :) |
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| 18:52.18 | bwlang | it seems like my hotplug.d scripts are not being called when i run /etc/init.d/hotplug restart... how are they supposed to be called ? |
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| 18:53.25 | directhex | BadMan, why woody? potato! |
| 18:53.30 | FieldySnuts | trolltime |
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| 18:53.54 | directhex | FieldySnuts, is that like hammertime? |
| 18:53.55 | BadMan | I dont have a copy of potato.... |
| 18:54.38 | Jon | hehe |
| 18:54.39 | BadMan | besides I think it would be kinda neat for her screensaver instead of bouncing amber around, bounce a "Woody" around lol |
| 18:54.42 | Jon | try your local computer museum |
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| 18:55.10 | directhex | Jon, woody offers only flashy whizzy effects compared to potato. don't fall for the marketing hype |
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| 18:56.01 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:56.26 | King_Brad | potato? |
| 18:56.52 | bwlang | does nobody here understand hotplug? |
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| 18:57.33 | Supaplex | bwlang: we beter understand it if you ask a relavant question about what you're trying to do, or what's apparently wrong with it |
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| 18:58.21 | hrishikesh | hi, what is the best FMRadio player |
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| 18:58.40 | Supaplex | another survey? |
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| 18:59.16 | bwlang | Supaplex: i'm trying to learn how scripts in hotplug.d get called... how are the scripts in there supposed to be called? |
| 18:59.36 | BadMan | actually, I was thinking that maybe I should boot it and get hardware info for the snd card etc.. and with in a minute of it booting, and idling it now has mmtask error up lol |
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| 19:01.40 | StereoSkit | hi dudes, i have a question, is there a way to restore a accidetally deleted file with "rm" command (Debian sarge)? tnx |
| 19:01.44 | Jon | directhex: ;) |
| 19:02.00 | zinx | Stereo: depends on the filesystem, but it's not pleasant in any case |
| 19:02.05 | bwlang | StereoSkit: depends on your filesystem... maybe with ext2 probably not with others |
| 19:02.14 | BadMan | wow, forgot about this.. a wireless pc card DWL-520.... it's disbled in hardware manager |
| 19:02.16 | StereoSkit | bwlang: ext3 |
| 19:02.25 | zinx | Stereo: i'm afraid you lose |
| 19:02.55 | StereoSkit | i thought so, tnx anyway o/ |
| 19:03.19 | gahan | how do i share a dir with windows network? |
| 19:03.24 | FieldySnuts | samba |
| 19:03.31 | gahan | what more?:) |
| 19:03.38 | FieldySnuts | ftp? |
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| 19:03.48 | gahan | nono, samba |
| 19:03.51 | bwlang | I've just zgrepped /usr/share/doc/hotplug for hotplug.d and come up with nothing of interest... surely this is documented somewhere other than the source code ? |
| 19:04.09 | FieldySnuts | i don't know, i've configured it extensively but don't feel like sitting here on irc describing it. have to read the docs and get on mailing lists like I did |
| 19:04.28 | gtigene | Who knows what Debian packages are required for perl Curses, please? |
| 19:04.49 | greycat | apt-cache search perl curses |
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| 19:05.11 | Miguelzinho | is there any way to put a script to run every time a user logins? .bashrc only runs when runing bash, I mean any method, gdm, kdm, etc |
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| 19:05.31 | greycat | !wikifaq Miguelzinho DotFiles |
| 19:05.31 | dpkg | Miguelzinho: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:05.35 | gtigene | greycat: thanks. |
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| 19:05.41 | kingsley | I've found a way to reliably crash X and would appreciate some feedback on how I might diagnose, and ideally fix, it. |
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| 19:06.13 | FieldySnuts | woo |
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| 19:06.19 | Phated | :) |
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| 19:07.44 | kingsley | I'll be back. |
| 19:07.50 | sparr_ | when I boot I see a couple of screens full of something like "Error removing 'somethinglikeamodulename' ...", is stuff like that logged anywhere? |
| 19:08.03 | bwlang | anybody know what this means? : usb 1-1.4: grep timed out on ep0in |
| 19:08.05 | slartibartfast | do i need to run Bind9 to get dhcp3-server to route packets properly? |
| 19:08.21 | eriksul | anybody know if it's safe/possible to apt-get kde 3.4 from the ubuntu repositories? |
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| 19:08.46 | eriksul | since the debian packages doesn't seem quite ready yet, I mean |
| 19:09.21 | scaroo | Hi ppl ! any ELF guru here ? |
| 19:09.59 | xophEr | do you need linux-atm to be able to use usbatm ? :) |
| 19:10.00 | arturaz | good night everyone |
| 19:10.08 | BadMan | nite arturaz |
| 19:10.08 | slartibartfast | it morn for me |
| 19:10.11 | slartibartfast | but night |
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| 19:10.24 | BadMan | 2pm here |
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| 19:10.28 | slartibartfast | dont let those bed-bugs crash your sleep program |
| 19:10.42 | thingfish | eriksul: forget it, not a good idea. |
| 19:10.54 | BadMan | hmm.. what woody cd was kerenl 2.4.27 on? |
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| 19:10.58 | BadMan | cd 5? |
| 19:11.14 | BadMan | or was it 3... I cant remember |
| 19:11.19 | eriksul | thingfish: damn :) |
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| 19:14.25 | directhex | BadMan, 2.4.27? woody? eh? |
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| 19:14.53 | djpate | hello all, i have a question, is it possible to use a file name while creating a custom launch application on gnome? |
| 19:15.06 | djpate | i mean like an argument |
| 19:15.13 | Becca | Hey. I have an interesting problem -- debian's installer auto-installed a faulty keymap... How would I go about correcting a keymap? |
| 19:15.31 | djpate | script.sh %thefilename |
| 19:15.35 | Becca | ... preferably through apt or dpkg, since I do not have access to anything requiring a shift key. |
| 19:15.41 | directhex | dpkg-reconfigure console-data i think |
| 19:15.47 | directhex | i'm probably wrong though |
| 19:15.48 | directhex | !keymap |
| 19:15.48 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 19:15.53 | directhex | yay! |
| 19:15.54 | BadMan | Yeah going to slap it on wifes computer and test it out for debian... will likely upgrade it to sarge afterwards... |
| 19:15.55 | directhex | !beer dpkg |
| 19:16.14 | directhex | BadMan, woody has 2.4.18, and you should be grateful for it |
| 19:16.16 | BadMan | directhex: do you know which cd has the 2.4.27 kernel on it? |
| 19:16.38 | BadMan | one of the cds has 2.4.27, I remember trying it ont his comp at one time... |
| 19:16.54 | Becca | Now, dare I ask which keymapping is the correct one? >.> |
| 19:16.59 | directhex | !info kernel-source-2.4.27 woody |
| 19:17.08 | BadMan | or was that 2.4.18-bf2... |
| 19:18.15 | BadMan | oh well, trial and error 8-) |
| 19:18.25 | slartibartfast | edddddddjuyhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:18.28 | directhex | hint: woody has 2.4.18, and be grateful |
| 19:18.46 | slartibartfast | sorry cat-keyboard interaction |
| 19:18.55 | BadMan | ok.. maybe I did and apt-get for the 2.4.27 at one time I dont know... |
| 19:18.57 | Overand | cat /dev/keyboard |
| 19:18.58 | Overand | (heh) |
| 19:19.13 | slartibartfast | I didnt know she would be hitting the enter key... lol |
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| 19:19.53 | Rawplayer | www.unixsex.com |
| 19:19.59 | djpate | can anyone help me - i need to find out how to pass the filename as an argument while creating a custom launch on gnome |
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| 19:20.45 | directhex | irc.gimp.org #gnome |
| 19:21.50 | jair_11 | hello guys, I was here in a while and I am getting ready to install debian "sarge" from the clean fresh installation |
| 19:21.50 | crashbg | when i put btdownloadheadless or curses to background it freezes and jobs says it's stopped? |
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| 19:21.56 | greycat | crashbg: use screen(1). |
| 19:22.14 | crashbg | greycat, i use remote ssh w/o x |
| 19:22.21 | greycat | crashbg: use screen(1). |
| 19:22.39 | MobyTurbo | crashbg: screen is not an X program, it's a terminal multiplexer |
| 19:22.54 | greycat | ssh is your right hand. screen is your left. |
| 19:23.11 | crashbg | how can i do this :) |
| 19:23.21 | directhex | you install and run "screen" |
| 19:23.27 | greycat | type "screen". type "btdownloadcurses ....". Press Ctrl-A d. |
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| 19:23.55 | greycat | logout, drive to an internet cafe, log back in, type "screen -x". |
| 19:24.08 | directhex | i thougth it was -r |
| 19:24.14 | MobyTurbo | me too |
| 19:24.22 | greycat | screen -x lets you do it multiple times from multiple places |
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| 19:24.32 | directhex | dark magicks! |
| 19:24.38 | crashbg | i'm installing it :) |
| 19:24.40 | Overand | huh |
| 19:24.44 | zAo^ | how can I find out which process is a zombie one? |
| 19:24.45 | Overand | Becca: are you the becca i know? |
| 19:24.55 | greycat | zAo^: by the smell. |
| 19:25.00 | greycat | zAo^: oh yeah, and it says "Z" |
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| 19:25.00 | crashbg | 10x i'll try to screen it :) |
| 19:25.01 | davem | heh |
| 19:25.06 | Overand | looks like no. |
| 19:25.08 | directhex | zAo^, which one wants BRAAAAAIIIIINNNNNNSSSSSS? |
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| 19:25.12 | Becca | Overand: Depends, do I know you? o.o; |
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| 19:25.20 | directhex | !tell root___ about root |
| 19:25.27 | greycat | zAo^: or <defunct> |
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| 19:25.36 | bwlang | what's the deal with /sys/bus/usb/devices? on one system i have it is a directory ... on another it is a file ... anybody understand this? |
| 19:25.38 | directhex | or <brainsss> |
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| 19:25.57 | greycat | ESHUFFLEDOFFTHISMORTALCOIL |
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| 19:26.21 | pinkj | I'm very new to debian sarge, like a few hours new.... can anyone tell me anything about the 'discover' program? |
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| 19:26.37 | greycat | pinkj: man discover |
| 19:26.43 | OrionBerlin | hi all, can someone tell me, why i cant install any debian on my system with the debian installer? |
| 19:26.50 | Becca | Ok, I got it, thanks everyone |
| 19:26.55 | bwlang | if you have an ohci system could you tell me if your /sys/bus/usb/devices is a file or directory? |
| 19:27.06 | cahoot | bwlang: dir |
| 19:27.14 | OrionBerlin | im getting all the time on the Partition, only SOFTWARE raid, i cant see the Partition Table, neither i can edit my Partitions :( |
| 19:27.19 | bwlang | cahoot: and you have ohci? what kernel? |
| 19:27.21 | greycat | griffon:~$ ls /sys |
| 19:27.21 | greycat | griffon:~$ |
| 19:27.26 | FieldySnuts | ouch |
| 19:27.29 | cahoot | bwlang: 2.6.11 |
| 19:27.32 | directhex | bwlang, what are you up to with /sys? |
| 19:27.32 | pinkj | greycat: do I *have* to use discover? |
| 19:27.35 | greycat | so many assumptions, so few Clues. |
| 19:27.39 | greycat | pinkj: no |
| 19:27.56 | greycat | pinkj: but if you installed sarge, you are using it, unless you explicitly disabled it |
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| 19:28.02 | pinkj | yup |
| 19:28.12 | directhex | OrionBerlin, fakeraid? can't be used by debian-installer. you'd need to use native linux mdadm raid, or a hardware raid controller |
| 19:28.23 | pinkj | if I don't want to use it, should I uninstall it or is there a better way to disable it? |
| 19:28.27 | cahoot | bwlang: and yes - ohci |
| 19:28.36 | greycat | pinkj: you'd better put some modules in /etc/modules before you remove it |
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| 19:28.43 | pinkj | that's fine |
| 19:28.44 | directhex | or use hotplug too |
| 19:28.47 | pinkj | that's what I'm used to doing |
| 19:28.53 | zAo^ | lol |
| 19:28.56 | greycat | "hotplug: the other discover". |
| 19:28.56 | pinkj | thanks for your help |
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| 19:29.03 | bwlang | directhex: i'm trying to figure out why hotplug is never calling my hotplug.d stuff... - it tests for -d /sys/bus/usb/devices and exits if it is not a dir... on my system it is a file so i fall right out |
| 19:29.15 | directhex | greycat, i always thought of discover as hotplug with added cdrom mountpoint breakage |
| 19:29.19 | greycat | "double the chances to load the module that Oopses your kernel!" |
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| 19:29.38 | foobared | hm, is aptitude essential for woody->sarge? |
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| 19:29.44 | greycat | foobared: yes |
| 19:29.53 | greycat | they've had over 3 years to diverge now |
| 19:29.57 | bwlang | cahoot: thanks ... this is so strange... i have 2.6.11.6 and ohci yet ls -l /sys/bus/usb/devices |
| 19:29.57 | bwlang | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 12 09:27 /sys/bus/usb/devices |
| 19:30.03 | gtigene | The Perl Curses module required some or all of the following: libncurses5-dev, libncurses5, libcdk-perl, libcurses-widgetss-perl, libcurses-perl |
| 19:30.20 | directhex | foobared, it's strongly recommended on DWN |
| 19:30.41 | MobyTurbo | bwlang: stuff in /sys and /proc is always zero in size |
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| 19:31.20 | greycat | MobyTurbo: not always ;-) |
| 19:31.20 | foobared | greycat, directhex : aha, thanks. is it because of some dependencies or so? |
| 19:31.31 | greycat | -r-------- 1 root root 536809472 2005-04-12 15:31 /proc/kcore |
| 19:31.32 | bwlang | MobyTurbo: it's not the size i'm worried about... it's the fact that i dont see a dr--r--r-- |
| 19:31.35 | directhex | bwlang, you sure you need ohci and not uhci or ehci? |
| 19:31.38 | MobyTurbo | greycat: lol |
| 19:31.58 | OrionBerlin | directhex, no my problem is, He found all things which can be loaded, then i come to the parition section, and there is my problem, I only see Software Raid or brake up the install. Nothing more. Neither i see the partitions on my system to make 2 ext3 partitions for /root /home and swap |
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| 19:32.18 | bwlang | directhex: yeah.. via chipset... and if i cat /sys/bus/usb/devices all my stuff is found |
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| 19:33.17 | directhex | OrionBerlin, what disks do you have on your system, how are they connected & configured? |
| 19:33.59 | OrionBerlin | directhex, i got a 80gb HDD from Samsung, IDE is it. |
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| 19:34.13 | OrionBerlin | i had not the problem 2 weeks ago |
| 19:34.19 | OrionBerlin | now with the new installer i have the problem :( |
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| 19:34.33 | directhex | OrionBerlin, what disk controller? |
| 19:34.41 | OrionBerlin | Its connected on IDE |
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| 19:35.39 | OleMoudi | has anybody experienced firefox hangs with latest version? 1.0.2-3 I think it is |
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| 19:36.20 | BadMan | hmm now a partition scheme should be developed.... |
| 19:36.22 | doleyb | OleMoudi: firefox hangs, yes, but not only in current, earlier too |
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| 19:36.42 | foobared | hmm, I'm fairly confused because of the non-matching woody->sarge factoids, which bot is the preferred one nowadays? dpkg? |
| 19:36.45 | mastertet | Hello, I use Debian Sarge, whenever I start my laptop and I'm not on the net, MTA is very long to start and so it slows boot process dramatically, what can I do? |
| 19:36.55 | greycat | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 19:36.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, woody->sarge is Then "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes> |
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| 19:37.09 | greycat | that's the correct one |
| 19:37.09 | directhex | foobared, dpkg is usually the most current |
| 19:37.32 | foobared | directhex: thank you |
| 19:37.59 | OrionBerlin | directhex, i tryed now, netinstall, and the other cds. all the same thing. Since the new installer is there :( |
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| 19:38.28 | directhex | OrionBerlin, speak with #debian-boot |
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| 19:38.46 | OrionBerlin | ok i try there thx |
| 19:39.03 | BadMan | how many partitions can you create on a single hard disk? |
| 19:39.09 | yang | my X are freezing, I am using nvidia graphic card. How can I fix this? |
| 19:39.29 | directhex | BadMan, up to four, but one can be an extended partition, with any number of logical partitions inside |
| 19:39.33 | dwu | yang put some hot tea on |
| 19:39.34 | directhex | yang, which driver, which version? |
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| 19:39.41 | BadMan | directhex: ok thanks |
| 19:40.00 | yang | directhex: Geforce 440 MX |
| 19:40.17 | directhex | yang, a geforce 440 mx is not a driver, it's a gpu |
| 19:40.41 | yang | directhex: i dont know which driver it uses |
| 19:40.57 | directhex | yang, then i can't help you. |
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| 19:43.07 | tiojoao10 | oi |
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| 19:43.22 | Alien_II | hey guys |
| 19:43.30 | Alien_II | i just trued installing debian sarge netinst |
| 19:43.38 | Alien_II | it just hangs at loading sd_mod |
| 19:43.54 | Alien_II | i opened a session and killed the modprobe -v sd_mod process |
| 19:43.55 | directhex | which kernel did you install with? |
| 19:43.58 | Alien_II | then the "gui" shows an error |
| 19:43.59 | Alien_II | u press ok |
| 19:44.00 | srw_ | What is the right way to disable libsasl2-modules from being used by postfix-tls? One howto suggests moving the libraries into a subdirectory called "disabled" which I'm guessing will work but doesn't look elegant to me ;) |
| 19:44.01 | Alien_II | it continues... |
| 19:44.07 | Alien_II | and then it just hangs with capslock flashing |
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| 19:44.12 | Alien_II | directhex: default |
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| 19:44.14 | Alien_II | "linux" |
| 19:44.20 | directhex | Alien_II, what disk controller? |
| 19:44.45 | Alien_II | sata |
| 19:44.48 | Alien_II | silicon image 3112A |
| 19:45.01 | froze | Is there an IPTABLES wizard around that wouldn't mind answering a few questions? |
| 19:45.04 | directhex | Alien_II, i'm POSITIVE you were here before, and i ORDERED you to use linux26 to avoid problems |
| 19:45.14 | BadMan | so if I create /,/boot and /swap, how do I turn the remaining into an extended to create /var, /usr, /tmp and /home? |
| 19:45.16 | Alien_II | directhex: i never noticed u say it but thx for looking out for me |
| 19:45.17 | Alien_II | lol |
| 19:45.18 | directhex | Alien_II, if it doesn't work, then whose fault is it? |
| 19:45.34 | srw_ | froze, always just ask |
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| 19:45.42 | Alien_II | directhex: mine of course :) |
| 19:45.46 | Alien_II | i will be back in a bit |
| 19:45.47 | kingsley | I'm back. |
| 19:45.48 | Alien_II | WITH debian:) |
| 19:45.49 | baz | what's the format for the DISPLAY variable, if I want to run X apps over ssh? |
| 19:46.02 | baz | export DISPLAY=[client IP address]:0 ? |
| 19:46.10 | directhex | baz, ssh -X foomachine |
| 19:46.18 | srw_ | baz, just enabled X protocol forwarding for sshd and ssh -X... it should just happen |
| 19:46.27 | directhex | Apr 12 18:43:07 <directhex> Alien_II, again, yes, though i'd STRONGLY recommend installing with a 2.6 kernel on sata (linux26 at the boot: prompt) |
| 19:46.31 | directhex | i'm not going mad |
| 19:46.32 | kingsley | baz: :0.0 |
| 19:46.47 | baz | ah, I didn't enable it under sshd |
| 19:47.07 | simonrvn | some people just don't listen, no matter what or how you tell them... |
| 19:47.22 | baz | thanks srw_ |
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| 19:47.28 | baz | works great |
| 19:47.44 | directhex | simonrvn, what annoys me most are people who claim nvidia one-liner doesn't work, but didn't think the module assistant or nvidia-=glx steps were neccessary..... |
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| 19:47.58 | sIQ|Steboyuk | hi |
| 19:48.07 | sIQ|Steboyuk | anyone help me set up vnc? |
| 19:48.07 | simonrvn | directhex: ... |
| 19:48.15 | sIQ|Steboyuk | i have apt-get'ed vncserver |
| 19:48.34 | froze | I have a number of nat'ed addresses that I would like to allow complete access to from a list of outside servers. Do I have to specifically allow for each server on each nat or is there a way to just allow the servers for every nat? |
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| 19:48.39 | simonrvn | such silly people |
| 19:48.45 | directhex | i mean, the POINT of the one-liner is you can technically do everything on one line. maybe i'm just getting old & cynical |
| 19:48.46 | sIQ|Steboyuk | whenevre i try and type vncserver :0 (which my current desktop is on) i get |
| 19:48.47 | sIQ|Steboyuk | Warning: ubuntu:0 is not taken because of /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 19:48.47 | sIQ|Steboyuk | Remove this file if there is no X server ubuntu:0 |
| 19:48.56 | Rawplayer | sIQ|Steboyuk: #ubuntu |
| 19:49.06 | davem | heh |
| 19:49.06 | directhex | sIQ|Steboyuk, sounds like an ubuntu problem. |
| 19:49.17 | simonrvn | sounds like ubuntu to me |
| 19:49.28 | Justin | nah, sounds like someone who doesn't know wtf vncserver is for |
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| 19:49.34 | sIQ|Steboyuk | it's because i want to view vnc on a desktop that is already running |
| 19:49.36 | sIQ|Steboyuk | is this possible? |
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| 19:49.40 | juanmals | ubuntu sounds.... :-S |
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| 19:49.54 | petemc | sIQ|Steboyuk: use rfb or vino |
| 19:49.57 | directhex | sIQ|Steboyuk, yes, but you need a different vnc server |
| 19:50.01 | sIQ|Steboyuk | oh thanks :) |
| 19:50.02 | directhex | sIQ|Steboyuk, i recommend vino |
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| 19:50.32 | sIQ|Steboyuk | i need to be able to start it from the command line |
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| 19:50.55 | sIQ|Steboyuk | monitor is broken.. need to see current desktop without lugging this 23" CRT 100metres :) |
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| 19:51.13 | directhex | sIQ|Steboyuk, get a 20" dell tft. they're lovely |
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| 19:51.23 | sIQ|Steboyuk | i plan to get a tft |
| 19:51.37 | petemc | sIQ|Steboyuk: you would need to change the display variable to start x0rfbserver |
| 19:51.45 | petemc | iirc |
| 19:51.56 | sIQ|Steboyuk | how do i then look at my current desktop? |
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| 19:52.01 | directhex | sIQ|Steboyuk, £385 for the dell 2001FP 20.1" 1600x1200 tft. you know you want it |
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| 19:52.12 | sIQ|Steboyuk | yes i know |
| 19:52.23 | sIQ|Steboyuk | could you help me overcome this issue first :) |
| 19:52.30 | petemc | directhex: 19" are "free" withthe dell xps |
| 19:52.39 | epsilon | is it a tolerable or inacceptable to filter the ttp-header "via" in squid? W3C says not allowed, but squid anonymizing recommendation says it's OK |
| 19:52.46 | epsilon | http |
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| 19:52.57 | bwlang | directhex: /sys/bus/usb/devices is because of udev i think.... you are using udev right? |
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| 19:53.05 | directhex | bwlang, i am |
| 19:53.11 | sIQ|Steboyuk | epsilon: it's not allowed but it's the only way to get anonymous |
| 19:53.12 | greycat | no, /sys isn't udev. |
| 19:53.16 | sIQ|Steboyuk | allowed in quotes of course |
| 19:53.19 | greycat | /sys is 2.6.x |
| 19:53.26 | directhex | !win greycat |
| 19:53.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 19:53.28 | epsilon | sIQ|Steboyuk: ok, thx |
| 19:53.28 | _ReDRuM_ | anyone know how to stop the terminal from wrapping long lines back onto themselves and overwriting the same line? |
| 19:53.30 | ranto | which is the correct way of installing kernel-patch-debian? they are installed in /usr/src/.. should I patch the kernel by my own or there is a script? |
| 19:53.34 | simonrvn | /sys is sysfs. udev uses it, it's not "caused by" udev |
| 19:53.45 | bwlang | greycat: i know it's not udev... but that part of sys is populated differently because of udev... |
| 19:53.51 | directhex | petemc, where the xps is an overpriced p4, and the 19" is clunky and 1280x1024? |
| 19:54.00 | simonrvn | no. why would it be |
| 19:54.04 | _ReDRuM_ | only happens sometimes... just cant work out why it's doing it |
| 19:54.10 | simonrvn | udev is userspace |
| 19:54.31 | greycat | gnome poisoning. |
| 19:54.45 | greycat | first sign is rapidly dropping Clue levels. |
| 19:54.49 | simonrvn | heh |
| 19:55.15 | directhex | i like some gnomish bits. gnome-volume-manager especially |
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| 19:55.39 | BibTeX | hello |
| 19:55.42 | cheal | so, is console-apt an old tool that disappeared? |
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| 19:55.52 | BibTeX | is there anyone good in cvs? |
| 19:55.54 | bwlang | simonrvn: i could be wrong about this... but that's the only difference i can find about this... do you have a different idea about why /sys/bus/usb/devices would be a dir structure on some machines but just a file on others? |
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| 19:56.25 | greycat | bwlang: different kernel. |
| 19:56.29 | directhex | bwlang, where does your kernel come from? |
| 19:56.33 | simonrvn | different modules loaded, different attached devices... i don't know usb |
| 19:56.47 | simonrvn | or different kernel :) |
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| 19:57.33 | bwlang | simonrvn,greycat: i built it... both systems are running 2.6.11.6 vanilla |
| 19:57.33 | directhex | :| |
| 19:57.35 | directhex | upstream 2.6.11 is a little better than debian kernel-source-2.6.11, but still |
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| 19:57.56 | sIQ|Steboyuk | plese can someone help me? |
| 19:58.05 | greycat | can I call it "the 2.6.11.* unstable kernel series" yet? |
| 19:58.07 | sIQ|Steboyuk | i need to export a X session via vnc but set it up from the command line |
| 19:58.10 | sIQ|Steboyuk | is this possible? |
| 19:58.14 | directhex | greycat, YES |
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| 19:58.23 | bwlang | simonrvn: sure different devices... and different modules... but other ohci users have a directory not a file... and the hotplug scripts look for it to be a directory... |
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| 19:58.35 | directhex | greycat, you can also call assorted 2.6 maintainers smacktards. it worries me that i agree with you on this one |
| 19:58.39 | simonrvn | then it's a bug in those scripts... |
| 19:58.44 | directhex | i also have ehci |
| 19:59.18 | directhex | oops, i use uhci not ohci |
| 19:59.34 | bwlang | directhex: oh .man... - bad data... |
| 19:59.41 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 19:59.48 | greycat | bwlang: if you upgrade to 2.6.10, does it fix itself? |
| 19:59.48 | bwlang | simonrvn: so maybe it is a ohci vs uhci issue. |
| 19:59.52 | simonrvn | @tell maeglin_artarin -about away |
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| 20:01.02 | bwlang | greycat: i don't think it's a kernel rev issue... instead i think it might be something ohci vs uhci/ehci |
| 20:01.07 | simonrvn | this is what usb means to me: PITA. i already told you i don't know usb. i'm just saying what i think is happening on what little info i have |
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| 20:01.30 | bwlang | simonrvn: i'm thinking USB = PITA at the moment too... |
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| 20:01.51 | directhex | simonm, have you bought any computing equipment since 1996? |
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| 20:02.14 | simonrvn | nope. some a bit later, 1998-99 |
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| 20:02.22 | simonrvn | and some ram sticks |
| 20:02.33 | bwlang | so is there anybody here who *acutally* has an ohci system? i'd like to test the hypothesis that ohci -> /sys/bus/usb/devices = file |
| 20:02.36 | GunZ | hey guys if i want to put var on a different partition roughly how much space would i need for it? |
| 20:02.43 | GunZ | or a good size |
| 20:02.56 | directhex | i have uhci and ehci |
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| 20:03.08 | slartibartfast | GunZ: depends on what your putting in var |
| 20:03.30 | Valdez | Don't suppose someone here uses Jboss in debian and is willing to part with their runscript? |
| 20:03.32 | TheMoebius | does anyone have any idea why when I put in my hosts.allow file "ALL: myipaddress" I still can't connect to ssh? |
| 20:03.35 | slartibartfast | GunZ: most of my machines have 4 gb hard drives |
| 20:03.43 | GunZ | slartibartfast: ok if i was just using debian for server stuff |
| 20:03.49 | greycat | usb-uhci 22832 0 (unused) |
| 20:03.54 | davem | bwlang: I'm runnig ohci and /sys/bus/usb/devices is a dir |
| 20:03.57 | slartibartfast | this one has 10gb dedicated to var, its gonna be an SQL server |
| 20:04.01 | slartibartfast | more than it needs |
| 20:04.06 | sorahn | i have a dell c640 with a speedstep processor, and i was wondering how to add the speed step controll to it. i saw a fre things in the menuconfig but i wasnt sure what they were. (Intel Pentium 4 Clock Modulation). im not even sure if this is what i need to do which is why i am here. |
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| 20:04.19 | slartibartfast | but there was some extra space so I decided to use it for that |
| 20:04.20 | GunZ | slartibartfast: yeah i was thinking 5gb would be generous |
| 20:04.21 | directhex | if memory serves, UHCI means intel, OHCI means via. not sure where sis or nvidia or ati lie on that front. EHCI is usb2 |
| 20:04.42 | slartibartfast | GunZ: id agree |
| 20:04.48 | kingsley | How can one obtain a list of the names of all packages in section x11? |
| 20:04.53 | greycat | directhex: my UHCI box is definitely not intel... 0000:00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 80) |
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| 20:05.17 | GunZ | slartibartfast: if i wanted to use var with another distro, would it be advisable or not? |
| 20:05.18 | simonrvn | some contemporary machines with imacs used ohci iirc |
| 20:05.19 | directhex | greycat, how recent is that via board? |
| 20:05.27 | greycat | directhex: a... couple years, I guess |
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| 20:05.45 | directhex | greycat, which chipset? i'm pretty sure back in the kt133 days the above applied |
| 20:05.54 | slartibartfast | GunZ: you mean switching from debian to another and keeping the same var? |
| 20:05.55 | greycat | 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP] Host Bridge |
| 20:06.35 | GunZ | slartibartfast: no i mean running two distros, but using the same var, dont think it is wise, but i'm not relly sure |
| 20:06.45 | GunZ | really |
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| 20:07.30 | slartibartfast | GunZ: hmmm, you might have some troubles... If your just fucking around give it a shot why not eh? |
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| 20:07.40 | bwlang | davem: damn... there goes that theory. |
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| 20:07.56 | GunZ | slartibartfast: yeah i suppose |
| 20:08.05 | directhex | i'm off. |
| 20:08.16 | simonrvn | your rocker |
| 20:08.18 | simonrvn | :P |
| 20:08.28 | directhex | my head |
| 20:08.32 | directhex | on that note, i shall have a beer |
| 20:08.39 | GunZ | slartibartfast: havent used debian in a long time, so could you tell me where the applications and server side stuff is usually installed? |
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| 20:08.51 | simonrvn | enjoy that beer |
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| 20:09.46 | directhex | smells of beer in here now |
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| 20:10.57 | aXp | hi all! |
| 20:11.13 | aXp | when will a new glibc be released? |
| 20:11.17 | simonrvn | *burp* |
| 20:11.23 | greycat | WIR |
| 20:11.25 | Rawplayer | *fart* |
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| 20:12.44 | bwlang | anybody NOT have udev? - is your /sys/bus/usb/devices a file or a directory ? |
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| 20:14.08 | jhares | bwlang: directory |
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| 20:15.12 | bwlang | jhares: thanks... i guess that's not it either... |
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| 20:16.47 | andy_ | hi |
| 20:16.47 | slocate | no realplayer pkg in debian? |
| 20:16.59 | simonrvn | no |
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| 20:17.17 | directhex | slocate, real's license doesn't allow it into non-free |
| 20:17.23 | mattm | stupid question: is there anyway to get bash (command line) color coded like defualt command lines of FC and Gentoo? |
| 20:17.25 | travisat | who uses realplayer anyway |
| 20:17.34 | directhex | travisat, web sites |
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| 20:17.44 | slocate | directhex: what do you use for *.rm? |
| 20:17.47 | travisat | bah, mpg works okay |
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| 20:18.08 | directhex | slocate, realplayer installed into /usr/local |
| 20:18.17 | andy_ | I just installed a test version of debian 3.1 using a netinst cd in vmware, and compiled hardened kernel (external source) , it boots up ok and loads all the unlevels it should, but then isntead of giving me a long prompt it hangs |
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| 20:19.20 | jesus | hhola |
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| 20:20.27 | jesus | hola k1 |
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| 20:21.15 | K1 | hola jesus |
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| 20:21.29 | jesus | hola |
| 20:21.34 | kingsley | Which command, if any, tests if a given package has already been updated to its most current version? |
| 20:21.36 | jesus | esto no lo entiendo |
| 20:21.40 | cheal | !es |
| 20:21.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:21.41 | kingsley | jesus: que pasa? |
| 20:21.47 | greycat | kingsley: apt-get install pkgname |
| 20:21.51 | greycat | kingsley: possibly with a -s |
| 20:22.05 | kingsley | greycat: OK, thanks. |
| 20:22.13 | jesus | nunca entre aqui |
| 20:22.14 | nydust | Is there any free solution thats are like this one? http://www.kerio.com/kms_home.html |
| 20:22.18 | greycat | !es |
| 20:22.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:22.58 | sparr_ | id like to figure out why im having stability issues. sometimes my machine freezes, sometimes X restarts, sometimes the machine reboots. is there anything i can run to keep an eye on things til something bad happens and let me know what went wrong? |
| 20:23.09 | dondelelcaro | nydust: uh, there are free solutions that are superior to that mail server. |
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| 20:23.47 | distempr | What normally listens on port 199? :x |
| 20:24.10 | jim | yeeah, that file :) |
| 20:24.56 | distempr | hrrm SNMP Unix Multliplexer.... is that just SNMP? Thought it ran on port 300 something... |
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| 20:25.46 | jim | maybe it's an old thing... port 199 is pretty low |
| 20:25.47 | directhex | Spark, probably hardware |
| 20:26.03 | directhex | sparr_^ |
| 20:26.42 | jim | sparr_: memtest86 |
| 20:27.08 | sparr_ | jim: did. memory is fine. |
| 20:27.17 | sparr_ | directhex: not to sound like a newbie but... it works in windows :) |
| 20:27.23 | sparr_ | directhex: and it worked fine in linux for a few months |
| 20:27.28 | jim | ok, could your video be flaking? |
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| 20:27.37 | distempr | hmm yeah netstat shows snmpd listening on 199. |
| 20:27.39 | sparr_ | of course it could |
| 20:27.42 | jim | hmm, this sounds familiar |
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| 20:27.57 | jim | you don't have slot one cpu, do you? |
| 20:28.05 | sparr_ | no |
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| 20:28.59 | vilemaxim | anyone used a $smartClock (time in/out machine) under linux |
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| 20:29.23 | jair_11 | hello guys, |
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| 20:29.44 | jim | vilemaxim, do you have linux drivers for it? |
| 20:29.50 | jair_11 | If I am installing "sarge" I only can select a server "testoing" |
| 20:29.55 | jair_11 | testing? |
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| 20:30.01 | jair_11 | to download the packages? |
| 20:30.10 | jim | jair_11: testing or sarge, yes |
| 20:30.12 | jair_11 | I am installing it using the option expert26 |
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| 20:30.19 | jair_11 | jim, cool |
| 20:30.19 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: sarge is just an alias that currently points at testing |
| 20:30.27 | vilemaxim | jim, nope... I googled and didn't find anything... so I was just checking to see if anyone knew anything |
| 20:30.34 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: 'course, you probably should read the install manual if you're going to use the expert option |
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| 20:30.54 | jair_11 | jim, so what happend if I select a server package from "stable" |
| 20:30.56 | jair_11 | ? |
| 20:30.57 | dondelelcaro | rrr... testing is just an alias that currently points at sarge |
| 20:31.02 | S4nD3r_ | Which channel do I find webdesigners ?? |
| 20:31.09 | JasX | hi, I'm trying to mount a 250GB hard drive (single partition, FATX, LBA48) on my debian box, but it will not work...i can mount other drives etc...i'm just wondering if there is anything special i need for lba48 ( >137GB partiton)? |
| 20:31.10 | jair_11 | ok |
| 20:31.11 | tkinias | is there a font guru in the house? |
| 20:31.19 | jim | jair_11: wrong libc version, likely. |
| 20:31.20 | jair_11 | so I have to use testing not matter what... |
| 20:31.21 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r_: /msg chanserv help list |
| 20:31.26 | jair_11 | jim, cool |
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| 20:31.28 | jair_11 | thank you |
| 20:31.49 | jair_11 | jim, I am installing sarge in a IBM with a centrino ipw2100 |
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| 20:31.59 | jair_11 | the modules come with the kernel 2.6 |
| 20:32.03 | JasX | upon mounting the device, no errors show up...but when looking through the mount point nothing is there |
| 20:32.05 | vilemaxim | JasX, I had that problem once, but it was the mother board's limitation. A bios upgraded fixed my problem |
| 20:32.06 | jair_11 | jim, do you know? |
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| 20:32.35 | tkinias | polytonic greek characters can't be rendered in gvim on my new box, but rendered just fine on my old one -- I can't figure out what's different in the config |
| 20:32.42 | jim | waht is a ipw2100? |
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| 20:32.46 | jair_11 | jim, also If I want to install mplayer and xine, eventually it is a way I can install mplayer using apt? |
| 20:32.55 | JasX | vilemaxim, I've actually updated my BIOS to support LBA48, all seems to work except when i go to browse after mounting, nothing is there |
| 20:32.58 | tkinias | jim, that's a wireless card |
| 20:33.07 | jair_11 | jim, that is the mini pci device that let me connect to internet wireless |
| 20:33.10 | FarrisG | Is there a default timeout for vnc4server? |
| 20:33.39 | jim | jair_11: ok... is this a laptop? |
| 20:33.42 | jair_11 | jim, the modules are out there, but I am not sure if they come with the 2.6 kernel |
| 20:33.44 | jair_11 | yes |
| 20:33.46 | vilemaxim | JasX, does mount show it's mounted? |
| 20:33.49 | jair_11 | jim, yes |
| 20:33.50 | jim | jair_11: do you have debian on it now? |
| 20:33.54 | jair_11 | yes |
| 20:33.58 | jim | you do? |
| 20:34.00 | jair_11 | I am on the process of installation |
| 20:34.06 | jim | oic |
| 20:34.10 | jair_11 | jim, yes my friend |
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| 20:34.16 | jim | so you wiped the rest clean? |
| 20:34.40 | pole | i'm using sid and just upgraded (after a long absence) and now libphp4.so is not included in the php4 package or something... anyone know what is going on? |
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| 20:35.02 | cheal | pole: php4 is a metapackage |
| 20:35.15 | CyberShadow | hey, when do you think KDE 3.4 will be packaged? anytime this year? |
| 20:35.22 | JasX | vilemaxim, no, mount doesn't list it as being mounted...even after an apparently successful mount command for that device |
| 20:35.27 | cheal | CyberShadow: ask #debian-kde |
| 20:35.28 | jair_11 | jim, yes tottally |
| 20:35.29 | pole | cheal, what package is supposded to contain libphp4.so? |
| 20:35.32 | jim | ok, does the laptop have a cdrom? and can you boot from it? |
| 20:35.37 | jair_11 | jim, nothing else on the 40GB HD |
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| 20:35.42 | cheal | pole: apt-file search libphp4.so |
| 20:35.49 | jair_11 | jim, what is wrong with that? |
| 20:36.04 | vilemaxim | JasX, doesit show up with fdisk -l |
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| 20:36.39 | JasX | yeah, it shows up there |
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| 20:36.42 | Seb | what do people use on linux as an iTunes-like application ? |
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| 20:36.56 | jim | ok, if you are already installing, and you have networking up already, congrats; your system will probably work |
| 20:37.23 | milan145 | Seb: gtkpod |
| 20:37.34 | Seb | milan145: k thx |
| 20:37.44 | pole | cheal, apt-file seems broken and i cant install it atm |
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| 20:37.56 | jim | jair_11: ok, if you are already installing, and you have networking up already, congrats; your system will probably work |
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| 20:38.11 | cheal | !find libphp4.so |
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| 20:38.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libphp4.so' (2): (/usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so) in web/libapache-mod-php4 ;; (/usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so) in web/libapache2-mod-php4. |
| 20:38.27 | jair_11 | jim, yes but eventually I want to conenct wireless too. |
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| 20:38.43 | jim | so your networking is not yet up |
| 20:38.46 | jair_11 | jim, and the IBM have the wireless feature |
| 20:38.47 | vilemaxim | JasX, errr... I'm not sure... strange problem |
| 20:38.51 | jair_11 | yes |
| 20:39.01 | jair_11 | it is but with the ethernet gigabit |
| 20:39.14 | jair_11 | jim, why? |
| 20:39.19 | jim | and that's working? |
| 20:39.22 | JasX | ok, well thanks for the help |
| 20:39.25 | jair_11 | jim, yes |
| 20:39.29 | jair_11 | jim, yes |
| 20:39.36 | pole | E: Package libmm11 has no installation candidate |
| 20:39.37 | pole | dang it |
| 20:39.51 | jair_11 | jim, but I am not sure if the wireless will work once I disconnect the laptop. |
| 20:39.58 | jim | oh, ok... then you should have no problem getting your system set up initially |
| 20:40.08 | jair_11 | no |
| 20:40.18 | jair_11 | jim, I do not have any problem with that |
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| 20:40.56 | christor | please I need help to use the fsh , Is someone know this function? |
| 20:42.05 | carnage | damnit |
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| 20:43.01 | carnage | how do i get m3u playlists created by winamp to run in xmms?.. the only problem seems to be backslashes instead of foreslashes |
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| 20:43.34 | cheal | carnage: there is a #xmms |
| 20:43.49 | StarZ | Kikoo tlm |
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| 20:44.03 | jim | jair_11: then get your system running, get all the packages you know you want that are available from debian... especially the c compiler and all its friends |
| 20:44.04 | StarZ | Do you speak french ? |
| 20:44.08 | cheal | !fr |
| 20:44.08 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:44.11 | simonrvn | #debian-fr |
| 20:44.18 | Stereo | carnage: sed s%\\%/%g < foo.m3u > foo.m3u |
| 20:44.19 | jair_11 | jim, ok |
| 20:44.24 | StarZ | Thx |
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| 20:44.32 | carnage | its not an xmms problem though... isn't there some smooth one line command that will search a file and replace all the backslashes with foreslashes? |
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| 20:44.41 | jair_11 | you sound like you never had configure a wireless in a laptop using debian. |
| 20:44.44 | jair_11 | ok |
| 20:44.48 | carnage | woo thanks Stereo |
| 20:45.02 | jair_11 | anyone here has been configure centrino wireless cards with debian? |
| 20:45.11 | jim | jair_11: and hang on your ethernet for awhile. yes, that's right... even tho I have two cards :) |
| 20:45.22 | jair_11 | jim, cool |
| 20:45.22 | Stereo | carnage: for i in *m3u ; sed s%\\%/%g < $i.m3u > $i-new.m3u |
| 20:45.30 | Stereo | try it with one file first though |
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| 20:47.01 | jair_11 | hello guys anybody here have experience configuring debian sarge in a computer with centrino wireless iw2100? |
| 20:48.02 | jair_11 | If I do not want to use the ""exim V4" can I just delete that? I use the email smtp and pop from my ISP provider |
| 20:48.07 | citral | grrr I wrote my own irc bot with net::irc, but after about ten minutes of inactivity it doesn't answer anymore, have to kill it with /msg NickServ ghost bot. |
| 20:48.29 | citral | if someone had the same problem, please let me know. |
| 20:48.35 | karamelos | is there an alternative to unrar program? it always fails to extract files which later I can extract using some winrar program from windows. |
| 20:48.45 | cheal | !unrar |
| 20:48.47 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 20:48.55 | citral | unrar-nonfree |
| 20:49.09 | citral | *evil* |
| 20:49.13 | karamelos | thanks |
| 20:49.27 | m4lu6 | hmm. is there anything special that needs to be compiled for a XEON processor (SMP), or is -686 kernel package the right one? |
| 20:49.43 | citral | m4lu6: dual processor or single? |
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| 20:49.51 | m4lu6 | SMP. |
| 20:49.57 | jair_11 | hello anyone can help me with the exim crap |
| 20:50.08 | jair_11 | I do not understand the use of EXIM V4? |
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| 20:50.16 | m4lu6 | i've got 2.4.27-686-SMP installed now, just curious if that's correct. |
| 20:50.19 | simonrvn | @mta |
| 20:50.19 | ravenbird | mta is, like, a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 20:50.22 | jair_11 | can I leave EXIM v4 not configured |
| 20:50.24 | jair_11 | ? |
| 20:50.31 | strat50s | hi |
| 20:50.35 | drac | m4lu6: If your machine starts with SMP kernel, it must be correct. |
| 20:50.46 | citral | m4lu6: correct if you have two or more processors |
| 20:50.59 | m4lu6 | it's the 686 i'm curious about. |
| 20:51.01 | drac | or Hyperthreading |
| 20:51.02 | strat50s | I have created a packaged containing my kernel using make-kpkg --initrd binary-arch and so I've installed the output packages... and everything went great |
| 20:51.09 | carnage | Stereo: sed: -e expression #1, char 7: unterminated `s' command |
| 20:51.12 | citral | smp is the kernel, not the processor afaik |
| 20:51.16 | strat50s | however... I'd like to mount the initrd image that I have generated... |
| 20:51.23 | strat50s | I've tried ... |
| 20:51.40 | simonrvn | sed 's%foo%bar%g' |
| 20:51.46 | m4lu6 | i tend not to compile my own kernels anymore, just use pre-packaged debian kernels, just wondering if the -686 packages will suffice, that's all. |
| 20:51.49 | strat50s | mount -o loop -t ext2 initrd.img-2.6.11.7 /mnt/initrd.old |
| 20:52.00 | BadMan | if 64MB equals 65536 what does 16mb equal? |
| 20:52.03 | strat50s | but it doesn't work... 'cause it seems initrd is not using ext2... |
| 20:52.04 | simonrvn | it's cramfs, not ext2 |
| 20:52.07 | strat50s | cramfs... |
| 20:52.09 | strat50s | k |
| 20:52.11 | strat50s | let's see |
| 20:52.16 | templar | BadMan, 16*1024*1024 |
| 20:52.19 | simonrvn | cram or something |
| 20:52.25 | pipeline | BadMan: 65536 / 4 |
| 20:52.47 | BadMan | doh |
| 20:53.08 | citral | m4lu6: anything later than Pentium Pro is 686, so I guess it's correct |
| 20:53.28 | citral | (including pro) |
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| 20:53.47 | pipeline | citral: You mean anything descended from the PPro </pedant> |
| 20:54.05 | m4lu6 | citral, the only reason i ask is because apt-cache show [my kernel package] -> "This package contains the Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on |
| 20:54.05 | m4lu6 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:54.08 | davem | Will debian packages actually install on a 386? |
| 20:54.08 | citral | !lart me for trinking wine over my laptop's keyboard |
| 20:54.12 | m4lu6 | doesn't specifically say anything about Xeon |
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| 20:54.28 | strat50s | thanks simonrvn |
| 20:54.30 | strat50s | it works :) |
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| 20:54.50 | Stereo | carnage: for i in *m3u ; sed s/\\/\//g < $i.m3u > $i-new.m3u |
| 20:54.55 | Stereo | try that |
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| 20:55.02 | Glitch_Master | I decided to try what's basically the "upgrade everything" feature in Synaptic Package Manager, and now I'm being confronted with the debian configuration thing... is this of any concern? |
| 20:55.38 | simonrvn | just pay attention to what it says and you'll be ok |
| 20:55.50 | witless | Glitch_Master: you mean you're being asked whether or not to keep your config file or the new one? |
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| 20:56.21 | cheal | what debian configuration thing? |
| 20:56.50 | jair_11 | anyone here had experience installing sarge in a centrino laptop? |
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| 20:57.17 | jc-denton | hey kids |
| 20:57.29 | cureless | jair_11: what's your problem? |
| 20:57.30 | simonrvn | kids? |
| 20:57.35 | Glitch_Master | witless: No... it never gave me that option. It's running as though it's the first time. That's why I was concerned, mostly. |
| 20:57.35 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 20:58.14 | jair_11 | cureless, ok |
| 20:58.53 | jair_11 | cureless, I install "sarge" RC3 on my IBM laptop, it have the IPw2100 wireless intel centrino minipci |
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| 20:58.59 | jc-denton | jair_11: i run it |
| 20:59.03 | jc-denton | whats the problem |
| 20:59.17 | jair_11 | cureless, I know that the modules are somewhere in the internet or in the apt-get servers |
| 20:59.24 | jc-denton | everything works excepted suspend |
| 20:59.27 | jair_11 | how could I enable them or install it |
| 20:59.27 | citral | it's the end of the world |
| 20:59.33 | simonrvn | oh no |
| 20:59.41 | jair_11 | jc-denton, suspend? |
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| 20:59.46 | citral | wanted to save my keyboard, now there's wine on the carpet |
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| 20:59.54 | Glitch_Master | Eh, oh well. It can't have done much harm. |
| 20:59.57 | citral | gah |
| 21:00.07 | jair_11 | I just want to make it available in case I am not on the hardwire internet |
| 21:00.08 | jc-denton | jair_11: acpi suspend |
| 21:00.13 | citral | I lose |
| 21:00.19 | jc-denton | well it _works_ but is very experimental |
| 21:00.19 | jair_11 | acpi what that does? |
| 21:00.22 | simonrvn | citral: kbd = wine in a mug :P |
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| 21:00.33 | jc-denton | crashes all the time |
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| 21:00.40 | citral | oh yeah, I'd found it funny if... :) |
| 21:00.45 | pder | do I need a computer to use Debian? |
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| 21:00.47 | jair_11 | jc-denton, I have seen the kanotix distro working with the wireless and is amazing how nice does it |
| 21:00.55 | m4lu6 | Pder, no. |
| 21:00.57 | cureless | pder: no, |
| 21:00.58 | John6000 | hi |
| 21:01.00 | jair_11 | kanotix is 100% debian base |
| 21:01.00 | m4lu6 | you need debian to user a computer. |
| 21:01.08 | jair_11 | and I am using debian right now |
| 21:01.10 | jc-denton | jair_11: ipw2100 works well |
| 21:01.11 | m4lu6 | otherwise, the computer is using you. |
| 21:01.11 | pder | thanks all |
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| 21:01.17 | pipeline | jair_11: Kanotix isn't Debian. |
| 21:01.22 | simonrvn | pder:no, but you need a brain, or at least know how to use one |
| 21:01.30 | loocek | hi! is there any way to block keybord and mouse after some time in linux, and how....?? |
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| 21:01.39 | tuxyAtitude | pipeline, he didn't said it's debian |
| 21:01.45 | John6000 | john6000are oyu the server admin for starchat? |
| 21:01.46 | thomas001 | hello, how can i set the X11 keymap when the xserver is already running? (without gnome,kde,etc) |
| 21:01.51 | citral | oh well let's put 1 kg salt on the carpet |
| 21:02.05 | jc-denton | jair_11: ubuntu works too |
| 21:02.08 | jair_11 | pipeline, I know that |
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| 21:02.17 | jair_11 | jc-denton, I like pure debian |
| 21:02.19 | simonrvn | stupid comments for a stupid troll |
| 21:02.21 | jc-denton | but ubuntu has a crappy desktop and kubuntu is not really ready |
| 21:02.24 | pder | simonrvn: you need a brain |
| 21:02.27 | citral | even knoppix has been reported to work !!\!· |
| 21:02.37 | cureless | loocek: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:02.49 | simonrvn | pder: no, i already have one. welcome to my /ignore list |
| 21:02.56 | jair_11 | jc-denton, so what will be the first step for me to configure the ipw2100? on my IBM |
| 21:03.01 | pder | simonrvn: welcome to mine fuckhole |
| 21:03.04 | Steven_ | can you setup openafs in debian without having kerberos ? |
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| 21:03.15 | tuxyAtitude | simonrvn, did you never ever tried #distrowars ? |
| 21:03.22 | simonrvn | stworks better if it's there |
| 21:03.27 | cureless | pder: you realize you're on the loosing side of the argument right? |
| 21:03.37 | jc-denton | jair_11: get the kernel sources |
| 21:03.37 | cureless | s/loosing/losing/* |
| 21:03.38 | loocek | I want to automatic block keybord and mouse after some time ...and then over network unblock them.... |
| 21:03.39 | pder | cureless: yeah i dont mind though, just having fun |
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| 21:03.44 | jc-denton | buitd them |
| 21:04.05 | jc-denton | then get the module and fw from ipw2100.sf.net |
| 21:04.09 | pder | simons got a stick up his butt anyway |
| 21:04.10 | simonrvn | tuxyAtitude: WTF would i want to join some stupid channel like that |
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| 21:04.17 | jc-denton | ah read the instructions before ;) |
| 21:04.25 | simonrvn | tuxyAtitude: oh, and your being ignored too |
| 21:04.31 | simonrvn | you're* |
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| 21:04.39 | jair_11 | jc-denton, do you have any documentation of that? |
| 21:04.45 | sobersabre | hello. |
| 21:04.46 | tuxyAtitude | simonrvn, maybe it wasn't you then |
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| 21:04.50 | loocek | block....or turn off these mouse and keybord... |
| 21:04.52 | citral | this is #debian mmmkay. Other whatsoever other based-on-debian crap is definitely OFFTOPIC here. |
| 21:04.52 | jair_11 | jc-denton, url? |
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| 21:04.55 | simonrvn | troll time again i see... |
| 21:04.58 | cureless | loocek: I haven't tried something similar, but you could just try to have them as modules and unload them (and reload them). |
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| 21:05.19 | jc-denton | no i mean the ipw2100 instructions |
| 21:05.27 | jc-denton | beofore u build the kernel |
| 21:05.32 | citral | !u |
| 21:05.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:05.32 | pder | PLZ HELP TO MAKE MY UBUNTU WERK |
| 21:05.33 | jc-denton | jair_11: www.linux-laptop.net |
| 21:05.40 | cureless | loocek: are you trying to leave some display up or do you just want the computer to sit blankly? You could also try changing the device permissions. |
| 21:05.41 | jc-denton | there are nice docs |
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| 21:06.06 | jc-denton | cureless: i is also just a letter so i will use u |
| 21:06.10 | citral | !u |
| 21:06.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:06.10 | jc-denton | u is shorter :P |
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| 21:06.28 | cureless | jc-denton: fix your nick complete. |
| 21:06.30 | BadMan | pder: try /join #ubuntu |
| 21:06.36 | jair_11 | jc-denton, thank you very much |
| 21:06.39 | m4lu6 | alrighty then. lessee how fast this 2x2.2ghz XEON rips thru kernel compile :) |
| 21:06.43 | loocek | cureless: I want to some user couldn't do anything with computer until I let him... |
| 21:07.02 | m4lu6 | not bad, not bad at all. |
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| 21:07.24 | simonrvn | 'u' also makes you look like these trolls |
| 21:07.25 | m4lu6 | real 2m38.794s , user 3m45.010s |
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| 21:07.43 | cureless | loocek: so you want to block him/her while they are doing the work and then permit them to continue? Or do you just want to deny them login? |
| 21:07.44 | jim | jc-denton: yes... but every time someone says u, that damn bot says my name and I think I'm being addressed... yeah, the u-trools |
| 21:08.00 | citral | heh |
| 21:08.31 | loocek | cureless: I want to block him/her while they are doing the work and then permit them to continue... :) |
| 21:08.31 | BenDrake | how do I install a driver for the kernel? |
| 21:08.57 | citral | what driver? |
| 21:09.03 | cureless | loocek: and I assume you want to do that in X |
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| 21:09.18 | m4lu6 | pity this xeon box isn't mine. |
| 21:09.25 | jim | BenDrake: you might have to compile it, you might have to move it into a directory, you might have to do insmod or modprobe on it |
| 21:09.26 | loocek | cureless: in X and in virtual console... |
| 21:09.44 | dondelelcaro | jim: you could use /hilight or /ignore to specifically ignore that factoid |
| 21:09.44 | m4lu6 | finally convinced my friend, who'd had enough of reinstalling windows every month (or so it seemed), to go w/debian & vmware. a good choice, i think. |
| 21:09.46 | jc-denton | jim: then turn it of |
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| 21:10.21 | jc-denton | cureless: sry |
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| 21:10.40 | BenDrake | ahhh, ic |
| 21:10.45 | pipeline | m4lu6: vmware isn't cheap :( |
| 21:10.56 | m4lu6 | pipeline, no, but it's worth every damned penny |
| 21:11.04 | citral | BenDrake: you didn't tell what module you want to compile... |
| 21:11.09 | pipeline | m4lu6: Perhaps. For me, it's a month's rent. |
| 21:11.34 | m4lu6 | My employer was "enticed" into buying me a license |
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| 21:11.40 | cureless | pipeline: a months rent? which vmware are you buying? or where do you live? |
| 21:11.49 | m4lu6 | Alabama, apparently :) |
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| 21:11.53 | m4lu6 | it's not *that* expensive |
| 21:12.11 | BenDrake | usbat |
| 21:12.24 | BenDrake | its a driver for compact flash devices. |
| 21:12.43 | loocek | cureless: and? :) |
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| 21:13.11 | pipeline | cureless: I live in the midwest, rent is relatively cheap. |
| 21:13.16 | cureless | loocek: well, you would have do do a mixture of things, I can't really give you an answer since I don't know anybody who has done it. Unloading drivers (won't work if things are already using the devices... well, maybe the mouse), changing permisions /dev/tt*, etc. |
| 21:13.37 | citral | someone has a tip, apart salt, to clean a nasty wine stain on fitted carpet? |
| 21:13.50 | simonrvn | nope |
| 21:13.51 | pipeline | cureless: Of course, living on $8,000 a year no doubt makes vmware look expensive. |
| 21:13.53 | pipeline | citral: Club soda? |
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| 21:14.06 | citral | I heard that once I think... |
| 21:14.06 | davem | Cover it with rug. |
| 21:14.09 | quitte_ | citral put some furniture on it? |
| 21:14.12 | cureless | citral: white wine/ club soda, oxyclean. |
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| 21:14.18 | citral | ok |
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| 21:14.27 | pipeline | citral: I don't think anyone actually drinks club soda, I'm pretty sure it's only used for getting blood, wine, and tomato out of carpet ;) |
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| 21:14.39 | citral | heh |
| 21:14.41 | nickv111 | Hello. I cannot connect via ssh to my laptop running debian. I use sshd with RSA encryption, and I get an error saying: "Permission denied (publickey)." when I attempt to log in |
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| 21:14.43 | cureless | citral: or some blood, make up an excuse and get a new carpet. |
| 21:14.52 | loocek | cureless: thx at all :) |
| 21:14.52 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: a lot of called drinks use it |
| 21:14.59 | citral | cureless: for blood, cold water is teh best |
| 21:15.00 | cureless | loocek: no prob. |
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| 21:15.32 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Did I mention that I live in the midwest? :P |
| 21:15.34 | cureless | citral: nooo, spill some blood on the carpet, then you'll feel more compelled to replace it. |
| 21:15.51 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: I'm sorry. |
| 21:16.05 | citral | that will be difficult, since it's about 30 square meters fitted carpet |
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| 21:16.22 | cureless | and by difficult you mean expensive. |
| 21:16.43 | citral | no... I mean the work |
| 21:16.53 | cureless | pay somebody else. |
| 21:16.58 | BadMan | pipeline: where in midwest..? you getting any of this storm thats rolling through right now? |
| 21:17.11 | citral | nobody wants to replace it anyway. It's an orgie room :) |
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| 21:17.24 | pipeline | BadMan: east of indianapolis, north of cincinatti, and yes, it's fucking cold and rainy |
| 21:17.24 | NyteOwl | I assume it's synthetic carpet? :) |
| 21:17.25 | cureless | in this case, maybe the best would be a carpet cleaning company... before supouse/parents get home. |
| 21:17.37 | citral | yep |
| 21:17.41 | BadMan | dondelelcaro: try old milwaukee! |
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| 21:18.00 | BadMan | lol pipeline , I live down in rural Martinsville(IL) off I-70 |
| 21:18.04 | abashuta | I need to make a webspage but I'm sort of clueless, is there a channel for help on this topic? |
| 21:18.17 | BadMan | !Bluefish |
| 21:18.17 | dpkg | [bluefish] probably a GTK+ HTML editor for linux at http://bluefish.linuxbox.com/ |
| 21:18.25 | pipeline | BadMan: The fact that you specify (IL) tells me that you know the area welll :P |
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| 21:18.40 | BadMan | hehe yeah multiple Martinsvilles... |
| 21:18.44 | crashbg | !php |
| 21:18.44 | dpkg | i guess php is not asp. Can't get php to work? Remember that php3 looks for the extension .php3 ! .php is for php4 To change this, edit the mime type in httpd.conf. Get php4-mysql if you want mysql support too, or oh, and make sure to uncomment the php module from httpd.conf !!, or for php4, make sure this line is in httpd.conf: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so, or remember, there are quite a few debian users in #php |
| 21:18.45 | NyteOwl | citral I've used club soada if it hasn;t set. you can slo get a remover called 'Wine Away' designed for the purpose |
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| 21:19.10 | cureless | #debian, for all your cleaning needs |
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| 21:19.26 | BadMan | pipeline: on pokerstars everyone asks if I goto the track... Tell them eyah, just not the track they are thinking of... Horse track at fairground lol |
| 21:20.04 | BadMan | crap I hope the power doesn't go out.. its getting very ugly looking out.... |
| 21:20.10 | dabreegster | Anybody know how to get esd to let root play sound if it was started by another user? |
| 21:20.31 | citral | NyteOwl: it looks so ugly, I definitely need a special chemical thing |
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| 21:20.55 | citral | :'( |
| 21:20.56 | abashuta | thanks |
| 21:21.05 | BadMan | citral: just put a desk or something over it 8-) |
| 21:21.10 | NyteOwl | citral I'd avoid hot water. it usually only helps set organic stains even more firmly |
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| 21:21.51 | NyteOwl | could be worse - could be a wool carpet :) |
| 21:22.10 | citral | yep |
| 21:22.17 | citral | that's not _so_ bad |
| 21:22.21 | dabreegs1er | Sorry, accidentally disconnected. Anyway, anybody know how to let all users play sound through esd from localhost only? |
| 21:22.29 | citral | they say water with bubbles |
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| 21:23.33 | dondelelcaro | dabreegs1er: there's an example in /etc/pam.d/login; using pam_group.so |
| 21:24.01 | dabreegs1er | dondelelcaro: I've gotta use pam? Great. Alright, thanks. |
| 21:24.06 | dondelelcaro | dabreegs1er: be aware, of course, that that won't stop a determined user who knows how to make a setgid binary |
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| 21:24.43 | dabreegs1er | I'm not that worried about security; I just want root to be able to play on an esd server dabreegster started so I can play movies with sound. |
| 21:24.49 | dondelelcaro | dabreegs1er: yes. basically, the user who is logged into the machine locally gets added into the audio group for the duration of their login |
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| 21:25.06 | dondelelcaro | dabreegs1er: oh, you're asking a totally different question |
| 21:25.15 | dondelelcaro | dabreegs1er: why are you using esd anyway? |
| 21:25.16 | dabreegs1er | I believe root and dabreegster are both in audio group |
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| 21:25.37 | simonrvn | root does not need to be in the audio group |
| 21:25.38 | dabreegs1er | dondelelcaro: mix silence and sound together. |
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| 21:25.58 | dabreegs1er | dondelelcaro: I can start one song, pause it, play another, then resume the first when the second finishes. |
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| 21:26.18 | dabreegs1er | ESD just mixes the silence of a paused song and the music of the one that's playing. |
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| 21:26.25 | dabreegs1er | There a better tool for that job? |
| 21:27.03 | dabreegs1er | arts maybe? |
| 21:27.05 | froze | Is there a special trick to using the display accros a network? I am trying xhost +; export DISPLAY="127.0.0.1:0.0"; xterm; get: Can't open display: 127.0.0.1:0.0 |
| 21:27.26 | caphuso | froze: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 21:27.44 | froze | need direct connection, not ssh |
| 21:27.57 | caphuso | froze: no, you don't |
| 21:28.31 | froze | when workin with kerberos and only allowed to use ktelnet then ssh tunneling won't solve the problem |
| 21:28.55 | dondelelcaro | never, ever use xhost +; |
| 21:29.04 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 21:29.08 | BenDrake | hmm. I wonder if its not registering the SD Card slot on account of the filesystem on the card. my dmesg is saying that "FAT: bogus logical sector size 0" VFS: Cant find calid FAT filesystem on dev 08:00. |
| 21:29.13 | Momow | unless your machine is not connected to any network |
| 21:29.22 | dabreegs1er | To handle locking issues with the /dev/dsp device and mix silence and music together (Pause one song, play another, then resume.), which audio daemon should I use? ESD works, but is there a better option? |
| 21:29.26 | caphuso | Momow: it's unsafe even in that case |
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| 21:29.38 | dondelelcaro | dabreegs1er: ideally you wouldn't use any audio daemon. |
| 21:29.52 | froze | I will be more specific with remote servers to allow xhost, but unfortunately I don't have a choice with remote DOD/DOE software |
| 21:29.55 | dabreegs1er | dondelelcaro: well, how can I do the play-pause-resume thing? |
| 21:30.11 | dondelelcaro | dabreegs1er: if you have a sound card that can do mixing itself, it doesn't matter. |
| 21:30.13 | CyberShadow | I get spam from YeN |
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| 21:30.24 | dabreegs1er | dondelelcaro: but I get /dev/dsp locking errors |
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| 21:30.39 | davem | dabreegs1er: alsa can do soft mixing |
| 21:30.51 | dabreegs1er | davem: alsa has a worse driver for my card than oss |
| 21:30.59 | BadMan | Go GO Gadget OPS! |
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| 21:32.23 | citral | that worked really fine. thanks bubbles. |
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| 21:37.43 | citral | being out of troubles really is a nice feeling. |
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| 21:38.05 | cureless | citral: so, club soda? |
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| 21:38.19 | citral | didn't have... |
| 21:38.23 | citral | water with bubbles |
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| 21:38.32 | citral | it's the bubbles that matter |
| 21:38.34 | simonrvn | good enough =) |
| 21:38.37 | citral | yay |
| 21:38.37 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 21:38.45 | citral | pfiouuuu |
| 21:38.52 | simonrvn | @congratulate citral |
| 21:38.54 | ravenbird | hooray citral, you did it! |
| 21:38.58 | citral | hehe |
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| 21:39.08 | citral | ravenbird: thank you |
| 21:39.09 | ravenbird | no problem, citral |
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| 21:42.01 | froze | Does anyone know why the following does not work? xhost +inet:my.domain.edu && export DISPLAY="my.domain.edu:0.0" && xterm; |
| 21:42.06 | citral | Do you know a channel where I could ask about a perl (with Net::IRC) bot problem? |
| 21:42.24 | dabreegs1er | citral: #perl |
| 21:42.27 | simonrvn | #perl |
| 21:42.31 | citral | I did... |
| 21:42.38 | citral | I'll ask again later |
| 21:42.38 | simonrvn | @xhost |
| 21:42.39 | ravenbird | i heard xhost is ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command ask me about "sshx","nolisten" if you're mule-headed |
| 21:43.10 | brendan | hey, I've been having a devil of a time getting LVM2+raid on root to work, looks like a problem with debian's mkinitrd expecting devfs (I'm using udev). Anyone been down that path and have any pointers? |
| 21:43.11 | froze | thanks |
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| 21:43.20 | citral | man xhost, the most confusing man page ever |
| 21:43.21 | elem3nt | Hi! when I try to bring my nas0 interface (which shows in ifconfig nas0), I get this output : ignoring interface nas0=nas0 doesnt exist or something. What could be the problem? |
| 21:43.23 | BadMan | hmm usb mouse would be /dev/input/mice? |
| 21:43.31 | pipeline | brendan: I've been down that path. Give up now. |
| 21:43.43 | miernik | does anyone know a channel where I can ask an NFS problem? |
| 21:44.03 | streuner | miernik: do you use Debian? |
| 21:44.11 | miernik | streuner: yes |
| 21:44.13 | pipeline | brendan: Right now, I'm running in a chroot on the lvm because it's impossible to boot from the root on the lvm. |
| 21:44.15 | streuner | so ask |
| 21:44.16 | brendan | heh. I actually have it working using a redhat kernel+initrd on a debian root |
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| 21:44.38 | pipeline | That's a nonsolution |
| 21:44.40 | citral | awful |
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| 21:44.45 | caphuso | brendan: build your own initrd image without using mkinitrd |
| 21:44.48 | streuner | non-sense |
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| 21:45.19 | brendan | caphuso: any tips on how to build the initrd? |
| 21:45.29 | streuner | brendan: why don't you just use a debian kernel-image? |
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| 21:45.54 | pipeline | streuner, brendan : For the reason he just explained: mkinitrd craps itself |
| 21:45.56 | caphuso | brendan: mkdir /tmp/initrdstuff; put all necessary files in there; mkcramfs |
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| 21:46.36 | brendan | caphuso: that's about as far along as I already was :) |
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| 21:47.24 | miernik | I must have something wrong with NFS, I am trying to copy a 600kB file over 10 Mbps link, NFS mounted |
| 21:47.28 | miernik | reiserfs partition and it goes a few minutes already , it can't be so slow. HCan anyone give me a clue how to diagnoze it? |
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| 21:48.13 | jair_11 | normally when I have a laptop IBM with XGA screen how much Hz I shuld get ? 60Hz, 70Hz or 75Hz? with a resolution 1024X768? |
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| 21:48.22 | spiekey | hi |
| 21:48.31 | miernik | in fact it was yesterday, but I couldn't find a solution |
| 21:48.36 | Blissex | miernik: there are lots of subtleties with NFS performance, and using NFS over ReiserFS is not totally recommended. |
| 21:48.38 | trom | hi, my Laptop hangs at apm. But when I dpkg -P apmd, System hangs as well, so Packaging System is blocked. Can anybody help me? |
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| 21:48.45 | Crasp | jair_11: i think 60 is ok for a tft |
| 21:48.46 | streuner | jair_11: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 21:48.52 | spiekey | can someone recommend a good ENG--GER dictionary? there are soo many dic packages ;) |
| 21:48.55 | Crasp | jair_11: since they don't do anything with refreshrates anyway |
| 21:49.09 | miernik | Blissex: I noticed, every time I try to use NFS there are some problem |
| 21:49.12 | Blissex | miernik: look for the Linux NFS HOWTO, it discusses the performance tweaks (caching, block size). |
| 21:49.31 | bluefox83 | i'm looking online for a backup battery for my pc, what should i be looking for? universal power supply just gets results for standard pc power supply boxes.. |
| 21:49.36 | miernik | Blissex: is there some other network file system which you can recommend? |
| 21:49.51 | pipeline | miernik: NFS is the fastest, AFS is the most capable, Samba is the easiest to get going. |
| 21:50.05 | Blissex | miernik: currently using Samba with the POSIX extensions is probably a better idea than NFS. Note, I am talking of Samba between GNU Linux systems, not between GNU Linux and MS Windows. |
| 21:50.07 | pipeline | miernik: If you're trying to stream video over NFS, I suggest you make judicious use of mplayer's "cache" option. |
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| 21:50.15 | fredy0n3 | alO |
| 21:50.27 | simonrvn | afs+xfs don't mix however (last time i checked anyway, maybe they fixed that) |
| 21:50.56 | miernik | pipeline: no, I just want to be able use /usr/src/ from one machine to make install on the other |
| 21:51.00 | simonrvn | oh no, wait... it's reiser that doesn't cut it |
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| 21:51.34 | simonrvn | they recommended anything but reiser in fact (not in so little words, but you get the idea) |
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| 21:52.23 | pipeline | Why beat around the bush? ReiserFS kind of sucks. |
| 21:52.45 | miernik | btw is there a description which filesystem is recommended in what cases? XFS, ReiserFS, JFS, which one is good when? |
| 21:52.59 | caphuso | if you have to ask, ext3 |
| 21:53.00 | citral | well... no answer but the source |
| 21:53.01 | pipeline | miernik: I recommend ext3. |
| 21:53.10 | JEisen83 | I just got a new keyboard (only one they had in stock) that has a lot of multimedia keys, and an annoying 'F-Lock' button to change the multimedia keys into normal F-keys. I found instructions to turn what it thinks F1-F4 are back to normal, but the scancodes for F5 and up seem to be 3 codes instead of 1. How can I change these? |
| 21:53.19 | jair_11 | Crasp, thank you |
| 21:53.21 | Active2 | pipeline, caphuso why ext3 ? |
| 21:53.32 | miernik | why? I read that reiserfs is much faster wich filesystem with many small files especially |
| 21:53.33 | pipeline | Active2: It's a good filesystem, it's well tested, and it's flexible. |
| 21:53.34 | caphuso | Active2: it's the safest one |
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| 21:53.41 | pipeline | miernik: No, it's ONLY faster with large numbers of small files. |
| 21:53.45 | chance2105 | miernik: There are good descriptions all over the web. Google. /me also recommends ext3 |
| 21:53.50 | citral | $conn->add_handler('crping', \&on_ping_reply); that must be it |
| 21:53.50 | Active2 | i prefer XFS |
| 21:54.03 | caphuso | Active2: suicidal without an UPS |
| 21:54.05 | psycose | hi |
| 21:54.06 | Ikarus | Right, time to rig up Scratchbox, bloody ARM system can't get a fast enough link |
| 21:54.07 | pipeline | Active2: I use XFS as well, but I recommend ext3 to others. |
| 21:54.11 | jair_11 | after I install the sarge, I did not configure the "EXIM v4" it show a annoying error message at the boot, what i shuld do? |
| 21:54.21 | pipeline | caphuso: Eh, not so much really. Not a great idea, but hardly "suicidal" |
| 21:54.25 | simonrvn | jair_11: configure it |
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| 21:54.42 | pipeline | caphuso: It's not going to corrupt the entire filesystem or anything, you just lose a lot of recently-written data. |
| 21:54.45 | miernik | I read that XFS as opposite to Reiser is good for filesystems with very big files |
| 21:54.47 | Active2 | caphuso, hehe well i don't have that experience :) |
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| 21:55.02 | pipeline | miernik: The difference being that XFS has recovery tools and reasonable performance outside of corner cases. |
| 21:55.03 | caphuso | pipeline: exactly |
| 21:55.36 | pipeline | miernik: XFS and JFS are comparable to ext3 even in worst-case scenarios, and all three filesystems have better recovery tools than Reiser. Don't use Reiser unless you're actively developing Reiser. |
| 21:56.07 | miernik | but for things which really have many small files mostly, like webcaches? |
| 21:56.08 | pipeline | caphuso: My big thing about XFS is that it's very easy, in the event of a power outtage, to end up with an unmountable filesystem that requires a miniroot or a recovery disk to fsck it . |
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| 21:56.15 | simonrvn | good advice IMO |
| 21:56.22 | miernik | I use reiserfs for my webcache partition |
| 21:56.30 | caphuso | if you tweak ext3 to behave more like reiser or xfs, the performance difference gets hardly noticable |
| 21:56.33 | pipeline | miernik: You'll see a bigger performance boost in using ext3 with "noatime," "notail," etc |
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| 21:56.42 | caphuso | ext3 has no notail |
| 21:56.52 | pipeline | caphuso: heh, that's a Reiser-ism in itself |
| 21:56.59 | psycose | i try to help a friend to install an audigy ls sound card (we get the alsa source then build the snd-ca0106 & make instakk successfully). but when i modprobe the snd-ca0106, modprobe does not found the modules, any tips thanks |
| 21:57.09 | miernik | the thing is that if I use notail than it uses up 20% more space |
| 21:57.09 | chance2105 | jair_11: My guess .. as root: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:57.17 | Crasp | if you have performance issues i suggest using other controllers for your harddisks or even other harddisks, i think you will notice more difference in that then in the differences of the filesystems (performance wise) |
| 21:57.29 | caphuso | miernik: well, without notail you don't get the speed boost for lots of small files |
| 21:57.54 | peterS | miernik: yeah. does speed, or capacity, matter more? if capacity is the only thing that matters, compress everything. if speed is the only thing that matters, use notail. |
| 21:58.20 | Crasp | raid0 o_O |
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| 21:58.48 | pipeline | Crasp: RAID-0 har de har har |
| 21:58.58 | pipeline | Crasp, miernik: High end web caching servers just have gobs of RAM |
| 21:59.00 | jair_11 | chance2105, but If I do not want to configure it ? what is the use of it. |
| 21:59.05 | Crasp | pipeline: well it gives good performance :) |
| 21:59.12 | pipeline | Crasp: No, actually it doesn't. |
| 21:59.17 | miernik | peterS: reasonable compromise. I did compress it was noticably slow, atail gives a better space saving and speed too |
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| 21:59.24 | Crasp | pipeline: oh, my experience is different |
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| 21:59.37 | pipeline | Crasp: Your experience probably isn't backed up by anything but "lol it feels faster" |
| 21:59.41 | chance2105 | jair_11: Debian system messages are sent via email. Set it up to just do local delivery |
| 21:59.42 | ultramancool | anyone want gmail? |
| 21:59.44 | muckdog | I've been gung ho about reiserfs in the past but I've had two major disk corruptions recently using resierfs. I was able to recover both of them though. I've never had that problem with ext3 |
| 21:59.50 | pipeline | Crasp: A single, fast disk is going to be faster than any combination of disks using RAID-0 |
| 21:59.52 | miernik | people, I am talking about a webache on my laptop! |
| 22:00.04 | Ikarus | pipeline: the difference he will experience will be in his wallet |
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| 22:00.05 | llahm | Hello, does anybody know how I can get the implementation of getopt from the GNU C library, so that I can port code to other OSes that do not have the same getopt as GNU? |
| 22:00.07 | pipeline | miernik: Heh, a laptop? Worst possible place for ReiserFS |
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| 22:00.15 | miernik | just for me to be able to access webpages while offline |
| 22:00.18 | miernik | pipeline: why? |
| 22:00.24 | llahm | pipeline: No place is a good place for Reiser FS |
| 22:00.28 | Crasp | pipeline: no it's backed up by test where i copied about 500mb from disk to ram and back |
| 22:00.33 | Ikarus | llahm: libgetopt |
| 22:00.36 | Ikarus | llahm: from GNU |
| 22:00.38 | travisat | I use reiser4 on my laptop |
| 22:00.39 | chance2105 | Reiser to files is like a knife to butter |
| 22:00.43 | chance2105 | IMHO |
| 22:00.50 | Ikarus | llahm: they have most of their specific libraries stand-alone from libc |
| 22:00.59 | Crasp | pipeline: i got about 25% more speed compared to single disk usage |
| 22:01.06 | llahm | Ikarus: ah, that's deluxe |
| 22:01.08 | pipeline | miernik: If you have a power outtage in ext3, you lose the last few seconds of written data. If you have a power outtage with XFS, you could lose the last few minutes of written data. If you have a power outtage with Reiser, you have a good chance of losing the entire filesystem. |
| 22:01.11 | Ikarus | llahm: floating point math emulator is another one |
| 22:01.13 | pipeline | Crasp: You must be using a shitty disk. |
| 22:01.14 | miernik | what about JFS? how different it is from XFS? |
| 22:01.21 | dabreegs1er | If I want to do sound mixing with OSS, what's the best way to go? My card might be able to do mixing through hardware, but there's no way to tell: I get /dev/dsp locking errors when I try to play a second song if a first is playing, but paused. ESD works, but it's a bit messy. Is there a better option? |
| 22:01.28 | Crasp | pipeline: and then the day comes that one of your disks breaks and you lost your data on the other one as well |
| 22:01.28 | llahm | Ikarus: and will it give me getopt.h and such to shut up the programs as i compile them? |
| 22:01.39 | chance2105 | I've tried reisfer a couple of times thinking .. hey, this is great. Then, something happens (eg power outage, plug gets pulled) and .. bu-bye files. |
| 22:01.42 | miernik | pipeline: I more often lose power on my desktop then laptop |
| 22:01.55 | Ikarus | llahm: yes |
| 22:02.08 | pipeline | Crasp: If you're seeing your web cache run faster due to adding another disk's worth of latency, it's because you're using horribly slow disks :P |
| 22:02.16 | pipeline | miernik: *rolleyes* |
| 22:02.17 | travisat | laptops have a battery, desktops don't |
| 22:02.26 | pipeline | Batteries die, my AC usually doesn't. |
| 22:02.28 | miernik | laptop has a battery, so pulling out power cord won't lose power |
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| 22:02.34 | chance2105 | ext3 .. can't lose much there. |
| 22:02.42 | Crasp | pipeline: i never said i was talking about webcache or something even close to "thousands of small files" |
| 22:02.45 | pipeline | ext3 is always a safe bet, and it performs well |
| 22:02.51 | llahm | Ikarus: hmm it doesn't come up when i google, can i get it from the same part of the gnu repo that glibc comes from? |
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| 22:03.36 | chance2105 | miernik: The whole point is: it really f*cking sucks to lose files, even if once .. especially if you do anything more than just play with your computer. Just don't do it. |
| 22:03.52 | chance2105 | miernik: That being said, if you know you're taking a risk .. go for it |
| 22:03.55 | Crasp | and use backups :) |
| 22:04.05 | pipeline | Well, you should be using backups anyway. *shifty eyes* |
| 22:04.15 | Ikarus | llahm: I think so |
| 22:04.25 | llahm | Ikarus: i just checked there, no luck |
| 22:04.26 | miernik | I never happened to lose files with a filesystem crash |
| 22:04.30 | Ryushin | Helloe all, I've been tasked to help the boss of this company to become big brother. He wants a linux mail relay installed and configured for it to store any outgoing mail on it's disk. Then he wants the ability to search for certain keywords in the e-mails. Now I'm sure something this evil has been done before and there is probably a package for it. Anyone heard of anything like this? If not, I suppose I can use procmail for this. |
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| 22:04.40 | Crasp | i did since one of these maxtor 160gb's already died last week |
| 22:04.46 | Ikarus | llahm: then google around a bit more, there is a seperate version of it around |
| 22:04.58 | chance2105 | Backup files .. heh .. right |
| 22:05.28 | chance2105 | real men use backup their data to ftp |
| 22:05.39 | miernik | anyone heard of JFS? what is good for? |
| 22:05.39 | travisat | ftp? |
| 22:05.44 | Crasp | i use rsync |
| 22:05.50 | warchest | real men dont backup.. they have enough redundancy with disks. |
| 22:05.55 | shingouz | Ryushin: are you sure if such a scheme is even legal where you live |
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| 22:06.28 | elem3nt | Hi! when I try to bring my nas0 interface (which shows in ifconfig nas0), I get this output : ignoring interface nas0=nas0 doesnt exist or something. What could be the problem? Using a adsl usb modme |
| 22:06.48 | Ryushin | E-mail belongs to the company. The employees know this. I'm just the contractor that will set it up this evil thing. |
| 22:07.00 | jair_11 | chance2105, but what this eximv4 does? |
| 22:07.18 | jair_11 | chance2105, what if I don't want it |
| 22:07.20 | jair_11 | ? |
| 22:07.34 | simonrvn | jair_11: half your packages will go with it |
| 22:07.36 | jair_11 | chance2105, can I just remove it? |
| 22:07.39 | chance2105 | jair_11: It's a MTA. Google. :) |
| 22:07.47 | jair_11 | simonrvn, ohhh |
| 22:07.51 | chance2105 | jair_11: even better, google exim. |
| 22:08.02 | jair_11 | chance2105, cool thanks |
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| 22:08.39 | caphuso | jair_11: you want it to at least do local delivery, or forward every mail to some other host, so that you can receive mails generated by your system |
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| 22:09.54 | shingouz | Ryushin: i am not sure how to do it or if there is already a "nice" package out there but maybe some bayesian mailfilter would be able to work the magic after some hacking. i still feel that the scheme is evil ;) |
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| 22:10.12 | travisat | !scheme |
| 22:10.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, scheme is the most elegant programming language or the language with the most annoying syntax. or something that overuses you () keys. or the language with the smallest defining document, or the language with practically no syntax whatsoever, or http://www.schemers.org |
| 22:10.13 | jair_11 | caphuso, cool |
| 22:10.14 | jair_11 | got it |
| 22:10.39 | caphuso | the brainfuck docs are smaller |
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| 22:11.00 | travisat | brainfuck sucks |
| 22:11.17 | Ryushin | shingouz: It is very evil! I'll probably just set up procmail to copy the e-mail to a directory, and then set up htdig to index it. |
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| 22:12.13 | caphuso | phew, thanks that i'm living in a civilized part of the world, where people aren't allowed to read my mails |
| 22:12.58 | shingouz | Ryushin: just to be on the safe side, check if it is legal for you to even set it up. sounds a bit too evil of a scheme, maybe some privacy laws would be violated there. i am not too sure if the employer can listen to phones either you know |
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| 22:14.32 | Honka | hey guys i was wondering, can an mx have priority 100, 200 etc or is it limited to up to 99? |
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| 22:14.54 | Ryushin | shingouz: I'm having him sign a form that will wave me from all responsibility of this nightmare. In it I'll state that he's checked with Federal and State laws regarding this sytem. |
| 22:15.49 | Ryushin | shingouz: I guess it's not any worse then me having the ability to grep mail boxes on my cyrus mail server. |
| 22:15.53 | shingouz | Ryushin: that sounds like a good plan. would not be nice to have some odd lawsuit as a bonus |
| 22:15.58 | shingouz | Ryushin: :) |
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| 22:16.17 | toukitsune | why do the sarge "DVD" only read as 400mb ? |
| 22:16.19 | shingouz | but you are a bofh.... of course you read other peoples email but that is beside the point ;) |
| 22:16.27 | Dog | alguien en esta mierda habla español? |
| 22:16.32 | shingouz | !es |
| 22:16.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:16.40 | deadcat | how can i as root to screen -x on my regular user account's screen session? |
| 22:17.04 | Dog | pudrase |
| 22:17.16 | caphuso | deadcat: su user |
| 22:17.16 | toukitsune | hello? |
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| 22:17.31 | Ryushin | shingouz: There are things in peoples e-mail that I don't even want to know. |
| 22:17.33 | deadcat | caphuso: screen dont have option? |
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| 22:17.44 | loren | where's the configuration file for your DNS? |
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| 22:17.59 | shingouz | Ryushin: so very true |
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| 22:18.12 | toukitsune | why do the sarge "DVD" only read as 400mb ? |
| 22:18.26 | caphuso | deadcat: it does, but it requires your user to configure multi user access |
| 22:18.37 | humbolt | diversity sucks! |
| 22:18.47 | loren | ah /etc/fstab |
| 22:18.48 | loren | nvm |
| 22:18.55 | toukitsune | why am I being ignored |
| 22:18.55 | Ryushin | shingouz: Time to play with procmail. Maybe I should set this up as an open source project and distribute it to the world. That would make me the bofh for sure. |
| 22:18.56 | loren | wait whoops no lol |
| 22:18.57 | deadcat | caphuso: ah.. cool. i'll juse use ytalk's shell option then |
| 22:19.09 | Dog | in this shit all are nerds or what the fuck, just are talking bull shit |
| 22:19.17 | kingsley | Wow! ksh circa 1993 is in unstable, with lexical scoping, compound variables, associative arrays, named references and floating point math. |
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| 22:19.49 | shingouz | Ryushin: have fun with procmail but if you make it into an open source project be careful and get a nuclear powered lart or simon might come after you... |
| 22:20.04 | Ryushin | how true. :) |
| 22:20.13 | caphuso | kingsley: it's still useless for interactive use :-/ |
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| 22:20.37 | shingouz | loren: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:20.45 | Ryushin | ttfn all. |
| 22:20.49 | shingouz | have fun |
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| 22:20.53 | toukitsune | Damn it all!!! why cant I get a single answer. I run jigdo to get the debian sarge DVDs but they are only 400mb isos |
| 22:21.30 | shingouz | toukitsune: there is only one dvd iso and about 15 cd's. just pick the correct file to download |
| 22:21.42 | NyteOwl | toukitsune maybe becasue no one has the answer you want? |
| 22:21.55 | Dog | chao hijos de puta |
| 22:21.57 | toukitsune | um in the jigdo folder for sarge there are 2 jigdo files |
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| 22:22.36 | shingouz | ty caphuso |
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| 22:23.26 | citral | he can't even spell ciao... |
| 22:23.39 | citral | how stupid |
| 22:23.47 | toukitsune | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/ There that is the folder for jigdo for DVD sarge but there are 2 jigdo files |
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| 22:24.11 | shingouz | toukitsune: lemmesee... |
| 22:24.38 | toukitsune | but thoes 2 jigdo downloads only do 400mb isos |
| 22:24.52 | citral | oh man, google for "sarge dvd isos" |
| 22:25.09 | Ikarus | add bittorrent aswell |
| 22:25.16 | citral | if you like |
| 22:25.45 | Honka | hmm what's the highest priority an mx can have? is it 99? or? |
| 22:26.59 | jair_11 | hello guys what windows manager do you recommend me? |
| 22:27.10 | citral | !start a wm war |
| 22:27.10 | dpkg | fvwm95 makes me vomit! |
| 22:27.14 | dabreegs1er | jair_11: what kind of wm do you want? |
| 22:27.17 | caphuso | jair_11: the one you personally like best |
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| 22:27.19 | dabreegs1er | jair_11: minimal? |
| 22:27.21 | simonrvn | openbox, fvwm, wmaker, ... |
| 22:27.21 | jair_11 | I have a good memory capacity 768MB |
| 22:27.22 | nickv111 | dabreegs1er: I agree... |
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| 22:27.39 | jair_11 | I like KDE is very nice nice style |
| 22:27.50 | dabreegs1er | ratpoison. twin. |
| 22:27.53 | nickv111 | jair_11: For a WM, fluxbox is great. However, for a desktop environment, KDE (IMHO) is great. |
| 22:27.54 | caphuso | ion3 |
| 22:27.56 | kent | jair_11, gnome |
| 22:27.59 | dabreegs1er | KDE is a desktop environment, not just a wm |
| 22:27.59 | jair_11 | but I was nocticing that it keeps my laptop kind of hot |
| 22:28.02 | citral | fluxb0x 0wn5 |
| 22:28.18 | jair_11 | I kind of like KDE |
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| 22:28.21 | linoleum | hey guys, I just did aptitude install gnome ... , and there is no GDM inside ... so I do aptitude install gdm , and it wants to remove all the gnome !! what can I do? |
| 22:28.30 | nickv111 | jair_11: Try fluxbox. It's very customizable, and you can still use KDE apps as long as you have the KDE libs still installed |
| 22:28.59 | citral | for a 366 Mhz, 800x600 laptop, with 128 RAM fluxbox owns. else... I can't say. |
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| 22:29.14 | nickv111 | !start a de war |
| 22:29.19 | jair_11 | yes but the thing is that I can not access easily to the applications, it do not shows me a task bar? |
| 22:29.23 | nickv111 | !start a wm war |
| 22:29.23 | dpkg | wmaker bites! |
| 22:29.34 | streuner_ | !window manager |
| 22:29.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No ... |
| 22:29.51 | jair_11 | I think I will stay with kde |
| 22:29.53 | nickv111 | Damn, all these that dpkg picks out really do suck |
| 22:29.57 | nydust | i am sending mails with my isp, but want to have the mailserver inhouse, under the installation of debian i get some choise in the configuration of exim, what should i select? |
| 22:30.16 | nickv111 | jair_11: Laptops get hot usually |
| 22:30.21 | jair_11 | ohh |
| 22:30.24 | jair_11 | nickv111, ok |
| 22:30.31 | Guerin | nydust: WIDHE |
| 22:30.35 | caphuso | nydust: smarthost |
| 22:30.35 | nickv111 | Even when using just the command line, my laptop starts making blisters on my skin |
| 22:30.39 | jair_11 | then I will try the kde and diselect all the nice features |
| 22:30.40 | tuxyRochefort | do you know how to avoid that login/passwd of mail clien are sent without encryption to the network ? |
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| 22:30.48 | jair_11 | to use less memory possible |
| 22:31.05 | nydust | caphuso, its two smarthosts. |
| 22:31.10 | Guerin | if you actually want to use less memory, select anything other than kde |
| 22:31.19 | citral | nydust: d'oh, you you need a tutorial. |
| 22:31.36 | citral | nydust: you also need to consider installing postfix. |
| 22:31.39 | nickv111 | GNOME sucks!! |
| 22:31.42 | jair_11 | nickv111, on sarge I shuld trust on the defoma to manage the fonts on the debian? or gdm?> |
| 22:31.42 | citral | up to you |
| 22:31.47 | nydust | caphuso, no local mail and received via smtp or fatchmail |
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| 22:32.07 | nickv111 | jair_11: Don't know. I use gdm |
| 22:32.13 | Cyanophytes | my system loads 5 instances of getty that I know of I only need one is it ok to remove the unneeded ones? |
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| 22:32.19 | nydust | citral, i am going to use, http://www.limacute.org/ and they need exim |
| 22:32.25 | jair_11 | nickv111, that is what I am telling you |
| 22:32.27 | caphuso | nydust: and your cron never sends out error mails? |
| 22:32.50 | nydust | caphuso, i dont thisnk so |
| 22:32.51 | citral | nydust: no problem, but just google for an exim tutorial, you'll need it |
| 22:32.53 | jair_11 | I am installing "gdm" and I get a question about "defoma manage the fonts" |
| 22:32.58 | caphuso | hah |
| 22:32.58 | nydust | oki thanks |
| 22:33.02 | cafuego | jair_11: 'yes' |
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| 22:33.55 | jair_11 | cafuego, cool thank God I answer yes |
| 22:33.57 | jair_11 | cool\ |
| 22:34.09 | jair_11 | cafuego, how are you? |
| 22:34.29 | JEisen83 | i'm a little late on this, but as far as I've seen, reading outgoing email by a company is perfectly legal as long as the employee knows it's a possibility |
| 22:34.39 | cafuego | jair_11: Terrible. I woke up 5 minsa go, had only ONE SIP of coffee and my hair is scary. |
| 22:34.42 | JEisen83 | not that it isn't evil. |
| 22:34.45 | jair_11 | now I am little bit scared, of see if I will be able to configure my ipw2100 centrino on sarge |
| 22:34.59 | jair_11 | cafuego, hahahah |
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| 22:35.04 | JEisen83 | to clarify: at least in the US. |
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| 22:35.07 | jair_11 | cafuego, sorry about that |
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| 22:35.45 | humbolt | Is there anything like cpanel or plesk out there that runs on debian sarge?? |
| 22:35.51 | cafuego | jair_11: You will be able to, but you'll need 3rd party source to compile. |
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| 22:36.13 | Cyanophytes | Can I disable mgetty or getty withought any problems in my /etc/inittab? |
| 22:36.21 | streuner_ | no |
| 22:36.30 | cafuego | Cyanophytes: No. getty is what shows the login: prompt. |
| 22:36.36 | caphuso | Cyanophytes: you want to keep at least one in there |
| 22:36.42 | froze | what is the syntax to tell dpkg a reference item? |
| 22:36.58 | streuner_ | Cyanphytes: if you are doing that, the entire system won't work anymore |
| 22:37.11 | Cyanophytes | ok glad I asked |
| 22:37.16 | cafuego | streuner_: it'll work fine, you just won't be able to get in locally. |
| 22:37.30 | froze | dpkg, help |
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| 22:38.02 | llahm | Ikarus: i could never find libgetopt but i figured out how to take care of the problem by looking at what bash and friends do with #defines on non-glibc boxen |
| 22:38.08 | Cyanophytes | thanks |
| 22:38.08 | jair_11 | cafuego, hmmm that means the modules from the web site of sourgeforce? |
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| 22:38.23 | llahm | Ikarus: interestingly enough, sun rolled over and added getopt_long to solaris 10 |
| 22:38.25 | cafuego | jair_11: The module source from sourceforge. |
| 22:38.28 | citral | why do some want people to modify inittab, change the runlevels or whatever... that's mysterious to me. |
| 22:38.44 | cafuego | llahm: Did they add ipc shared memory too? |
| 22:38.49 | llahm | Ikarus: and put a huge anti-open source, warning this isn't posix, it's an ugly hack rant, into their man page for the system call |
| 22:38.58 | llahm | cafuego: i doubt it |
| 22:39.03 | jair_11 | cafuego, ok |
| 22:39.04 | zel | Just installed Deb after a few years, now i used the new installation thingie, what i missed is the development tree option when i got to package selection. I dont have the make, gcc commands, ie i cant compile kernel atm, there was a .deb package that installed devel tools, but i dont remember what was it called, can it be done in one package or do i have to install everything manually again |
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| 22:39.11 | cafuego | citral: They think (for good reasons) that can make xdm start (or not start) at bootup. |
| 22:39.17 | llahm | cafuego: that would actually be hard to do, unlike copying and pasting a getopt function |
| 22:39.25 | jair_11 | cafuego, and what else I will need beside those sources? |
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| 22:39.32 | llahm | cafuego: unless they could just get the code from BSD pre-written or something |
| 22:39.33 | citral | cafuego: update-rc.d ffs |
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| 22:39.38 | _rene_ | zel: build-essential? |
| 22:39.39 | llahm | cafuego: then maybe they would do it |
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| 22:39.57 | llahm | cafuego: i'm not a fan of their product, but i'm also not a fan of being poor |
| 22:40.05 | cafuego | citral: No, on ALL distributions except debian, runlevel 3 starts X, 2 doesn't. |
| 22:40.05 | llahm | cafuego: so i have to compromise :-( |
| 22:40.12 | citral | cafuego: that said, xdm won't startup, if the system don't boot at all :) |
| 22:40.39 | eyeris | How do I tell dpkg "Trust me dude, it's installed" (e.g. if I want to install a java program and I already have a java run time downloaded from sun.com)? |
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| 22:40.50 | _rene_ | cafuego: wrong. the difference is not 2/3, its 3/5 |
| 22:40.50 | WiFiTux_OBck | llahm: what is in it for you, like to become a fan of being poor? |
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| 22:40.57 | _rene_ | iirc |
| 22:40.58 | llahm | zel: alright, you need gcc-3.4 binutils make and libncurses-dev |
| 22:41.07 | cafuego | jair_11: a kernel source tree and the compiler toolchain. (build-essentials) |
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| 22:41.09 | jair_11 | cafuego, so do you have any URL that walk you through the steps of configure the sentrinos? |
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| 22:41.18 | llahm | WiFiTux_OBck: sorry i'm not quite understanding your question. could you rephrase? |
| 22:41.20 | zel | tnx _rene_ , i think everything is there , so much have changed :) |
| 22:41.21 | WiFiTux_OBck | Sentrinos? |
| 22:41.26 | citral | eyeris: looks like you need java-package |
| 22:41.32 | zel | i think i should just have used the old installer |
| 22:41.32 | WiFiTux_OBck | llahm: forget it. |
| 22:41.50 | cafuego | eyeris: rm -rf the runtime install, get 'java-package', run 'make-kpkg' on the jre.bin and install the result. |
| 22:42.10 | cafuego | jair_11: No, but the sf driver docs should be fairly straightforward. |
| 22:42.12 | llahm | zel: oh yeah and you might also need make |
| 22:42.14 | cafuego | !centrino |
| 22:42.20 | dpkg | from memory, centrino is a laptop brand. There are 3 things a laptop must have for it to be called Centrino. 1. The Montara 852/855 Chipset from Intel 2. The Banias Intel Pentium-M processor (not to be confused with Pentium III-M or Pentium 4-M) 3. Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 network connection for 802.11b wireless networking (future versions to also have 802.11a). See <Intel Pro Wireless 2100> for Linux support. |
| 22:42.24 | eyeris | Ok, thanks. |
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| 22:42.35 | jair_11 | cafuego, cool |
| 22:42.40 | zel | llahm : build-essential got them all i believe |
| 22:42.48 | ismyid | hi |
| 22:42.51 | _rene_ | except libncurses5-dev... |
| 22:42.59 | WiFiTux_OBck | cafuego: Sentrino != Centrino |
| 22:43.01 | _rene_ | because that is not build-essential :) |
| 22:43.31 | aXp_ | anyone got a glibc-2.3.5.deb package? |
| 22:43.32 | zel | ncurses-devel |
| 22:43.32 | _rene_ | build-essential only depends on packages essential for building hello world and debs (and make) |
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| 22:43.37 | WiFiTux_OBck | !look cafuego |
| 22:43.37 | llahm | zel: ok cool |
| 22:43.43 | _rene_ | aXp_: you mean 2.3.4? |
| 22:43.51 | streuner_ | aXp: why in hell do you think you need this? |
| 22:43.54 | cafuego | !eye WiFiTux_OBck |
| 22:43.57 | BadMan | wow, I cannot believe that this ati car is sucha pain in the wazzoo |
| 22:44.00 | _rene_ | aXp_: and yes, there's one in experimental, and no, you don't want to use it |
| 22:44.10 | aXp_ | _rene_, 2.3.4 would be great also! |
| 22:44.12 | WiFiTux_OBck | cafuego: I'm eating don't bug me. |
| 22:44.12 | _rene_ | aXp_: let me guess: gimpshop? |
| 22:44.13 | cafuego | BadMan: Did you ask dpkg about 'fglrx' ? |
| 22:44.22 | BadMan | not yet jsut got back in here |
| 22:44.26 | aXp_ | no! love-source problem! |
| 22:44.27 | froze | How can I tell dpkg to add info to xhost about /etc/gdm.conf boolean that needs to be set DisallowTCP=false and restart gdm to use xhost functionality? |
| 22:44.51 | cafuego | aXp_: You don't want either of those. |
| 22:44.56 | citral | methinks fglrx is probably a joke. You raise from 120 fps to 300. |
| 22:44.58 | _rene_ | streuner_: because there's broken shit out there which need 2.3.4 |
| 22:45.25 | streuner_ | _rene_: i guess its some games like quake or such |
| 22:45.25 | citral | with nvidia you raise from 120 to 1200 |
| 22:45.31 | cafuego | _rene_: Is that shit more or less broken that a non-matching libc on a Debian box, you think? |
| 22:45.35 | drac | methinks fglrx is pretty great these days, doom 3 works with 9250. |
| 22:45.44 | WiFiTux_OBck | citral: 2460 :) |
| 22:45.50 | _rene_ | streuner_: or gimpshop. or that tool on the wikipedia cd |
| 22:46.02 | WiFiTux_OBck | drac: 9250 what? |
| 22:46.07 | drac | radeon |
| 22:46.11 | _rene_ | cafuego: less, but it's broken, because you can't run it without 2.3.4.. |
| 22:46.16 | streuner_ | _rene_: besides the package is converted by alien... |
| 22:46.24 | streuner_ | gimpshop |
| 22:46.24 | aXp_ | _rene_, 2.3.4 is availabel anywhere? |
| 22:46.24 | cafuego | _rene_: That's a simple answer then eh? |
| 22:46.35 | _rene_ | aXp_: I did tell you. read... |
| 22:46.45 | cafuego | aXp_: Hint: do not run software that won't work with the libc6 that comes with your system. |
| 22:46.48 | _rene_ | yure: but trust me. you do not want to use it |
| 22:46.53 | _rene_ | argl |
| 22:47.03 | cafuego | aXp_: you WILL break your ENTIRE machine |
| 22:47.06 | _rene_ | aXp_: but trust me. you do not want to use it |
| 22:47.27 | WiFiTux_OBck | use what? |
| 22:47.30 | aXp_ | _rene_, ok i trust you! |
| 22:47.33 | BadMan | hmm well this is an older ati, Xpert 128 16MB pci, lspci list it as 00:08.0 VGA Compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro TR |
| 22:47.34 | citral | well... cheap for laptops. that doesn't make it cheap. |
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| 22:47.45 | BadMan | would figure that card is support for woody... |
| 22:47.46 | cafuego | BadMan: That won't work with fglrx. |
| 22:47.59 | citral | people.debian.org |
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| 22:48.05 | citral | daenzer |
| 22:48.10 | cafuego | BadMan: Woody with xf4 should support it, but you *may* not get 3D. |
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| 22:48.40 | cafuego | citral: Cheap amd64 laptops are nice |
| 22:48.41 | BadMan | I wasnt trying fglrx, just the standard xfree modules of ati, or r128 or even vesa. but i get the same thing each time, (EE) No device detected |
| 22:48.56 | cafuego | BadMan: try 'X -configure' |
| 22:49.02 | aXp_ | _rene_, x.org support in the future? |
| 22:49.04 | WiFiTux_OBck | Wasn't fglrx for nvidia? |
| 22:49.07 | citral | cafuego: yep, i look only for amd anyway |
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| 22:49.28 | drac | WiFiTux_OBck: hah, no. |
| 22:49.29 | citral | intel makes me vomit |
| 22:49.43 | Guerin | citral: you're inserting it wrong |
| 22:49.45 | WiFiTux_OBck | citral: Intel makes me beat your asss. |
| 22:49.51 | cafuego | citral: Howso? Don't you like paying extra for slower hardware? |
| 22:49.52 | citral | blah |
| 22:49.58 | llahm | WiFiTux_OBck: no. fgl = firegl = ati's quadro equivalent |
| 22:50.06 | WiFiTux_OBck | llahm: oh |
| 22:50.07 | cafuego | WiFiTux_OBck: You can stop trolling please. |
| 22:50.18 | WiFiTux_OBck | cafuego: I'm not trolling. |
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| 22:50.29 | streuner_ | aXp_: well, you resolve one problem then the next... |
| 22:50.39 | Guerin | no more than usual, anyhow |
| 22:50.40 | cafuego | WiFiTux_OBck: Sure looks like it from this angle. |
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| 22:50.47 | llahm | WiFiTux_OBck: don't bother fighting over it, it only makes you look like a troll |
| 22:50.57 | llahm | WiFiTux_OBck: i learned this from experience in #debian |
| 22:50.59 | _rene_ | aXp_: in debian? not before sarge... |
| 22:50.59 | WiFiTux_OBck | cafuego: OK, I'll shut up. we all know intel is better anyway. |
| 22:51.05 | citral | cafuego: was running PPC until now... was fine, until I had to change the disk... such a PITA. So now I look at PC-compatible-easy-to-open-and-replace hardware. |
| 22:51.06 | BadMan | cafuego: telling me after X -configure that there it found a valid card configuration but the appropriate data has not ben added to xf86PciInfo.h... |
| 22:51.21 | llahm | WiFiTux_OBck: *ssh* |
| 22:51.22 | WiFiTux_OBck | mua-haha |
| 22:51.32 | cafuego | BadMan: Ok, you'll want a backport of a newer X then. |
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| 22:51.38 | NyteOwl | yeah right lol |
| 22:51.43 | cafuego | BadMan: Alternatively, consider upgrading to Sarge. |
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| 22:52.09 | cafuego | citral: Easy to change hw? Look at this B&W G3 <heh> |
| 22:52.09 | BadMan | yeah, figured that I should ahve setup that repository instead of apt-get clean.... |
| 22:52.11 | llahm | citral: i had some interesting problems with changing out disks on a Sun Ultra 10 |
| 22:52.20 | cafuego | citral: Push handle, fold open, replace hardware. |
| 22:52.23 | llahm | citral: and the PPC partitioner is evil |
| 22:52.23 | BadMan | oh well, will reboot with my sarge net-install |
| 22:52.30 | cafuego | BadMan: No! |
| 22:52.35 | llahm | citral: i'm sure debian manages all arches with parted now |
| 22:52.36 | WiFiTux_OBck | BadMan: huh? just upgrade |
| 22:52.38 | cafuego | BadMan: Just do an upgrade. |
| 22:52.38 | BadMan | ? |
| 22:52.42 | citral | cafuego: look at my 366 clamshell ibook SE <heh> |
| 22:52.42 | aXp_ | _rene_, and will sarge be released? or are there still some bucks left? :-) |
| 22:52.49 | llahm | citral: the old sun fdisk doesn't even make proper labels on large new disks |
| 22:53.01 | streuner_ | aXp_: don't troll here |
| 22:53.01 | llahm | citral: i'm sure *glad* |
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| 22:53.09 | cafuego | BadMan: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list; change all instaced of 'woody' or 'stable' to 'sarge'; run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; sit back & relax. |
| 22:53.15 | llahm | streuner_: or anywhere, for that matter ;-) |
| 22:53.16 | BadMan | last time I tried to upgrade woody(this box) it bummed compeltely and I had to do the net-install anyway |
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| 22:53.32 | llahm | streuner_: unless you're in GNAA, at which point you really have a license to troll |
| 22:53.32 | cafuego | citral: That's NO different from PC laptops |
| 22:53.43 | citral | I also have bigtroubles, because I replaced a 6 Go with a 20Go, and now it makes strange noises when I fill up more than 6 Go |
| 22:53.57 | aXp_ | streuner_, don't get me wrong iam using debian since potato and i like debian so don't get me wrong .... |
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| 22:54.24 | BadMan | uhmm, dumb question... |
| 22:54.26 | streuner_ | aXp_: helpful is to resolve bugs |
| 22:54.33 | llahm | citral: that is weird |
| 22:54.34 | daft | is it possible to have 2 terminals on one vt? |
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| 22:54.43 | llahm | daft: yes: screen |
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| 22:54.47 | rue_mohr | greetings |
| 22:54.51 | llahm | daft: it allows this functionality |
| 22:54.51 | mngrif | screen makes me wet. |
| 22:54.55 | BadMan | when I try to ssh to her box, it autmagically tries to login with my username here, how do I pass a different user to it |
| 22:55.02 | llahm | mngrif: thanks. we all needed to know that |
| 22:55.06 | msc | deadcat: hello dude ! i try to use apt-get install x window-system-core, but it told me there was no such packages ! |
| 22:55.07 | mngrif | user@host, badman |
| 22:55.07 | llahm | BadMan: ssh user@host |
| 22:55.13 | citral | cafuego: wrong. a friend of mine have a toshiba... 2 screws to access the drive... had to remove the cdrom drive, the memory, the keyboard, the gpu, the screen and so on on the clamshell |
| 22:55.17 | BadMan | ok |
| 22:55.18 | mngrif | llahm: welcome. |
| 22:55.18 | jpeg | BadMan: ssh -l user host |
| 22:55.24 | daft | llahm: is it just 50/50 or can you shift between that? |
| 22:55.38 | llahm | daft: screen is extremely configurable |
| 22:55.54 | llahm | daft: also, emacs lets you split up your screen into prompts and editors |
| 22:56.13 | llahm | daft: and from the prompts you can run other apps |
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| 22:57.04 | aXp_ | BadMan, RTFM ssh <host> -l <user> |
| 22:57.08 | daft | o damn hehe there isnt a promt I have states things running with vt 10 to 12 |
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| 22:57.16 | llahm | BadMan: aXp_ is right also |
| 22:57.21 | daft | with bootsplash stuff its kinda neat |
| 22:57.25 | Netdream | msc: long time no see |
| 22:57.25 | llahm | BadMan: -l works the same way |
| 22:57.46 | msc | Netdream: hello, it's nice to see you again ! |
| 22:57.53 | Netdream | Question: Hi, every one. Does any body familiar with bluetooth alsa? |
| 22:57.53 | citral | cafuego: see: http://www.sterpin.net/palou.htm |
| 22:57.56 | aXp_ | ssh <user>@<host> |
| 22:58.00 | BadMan | yeah I'm in.. ftp.us.debian.org doesnt seem to be responding.... |
| 22:58.04 | llahm | !tell Netdream about ask |
| 22:58.27 | rue_mohr | who is farmiliar with the 'broken' unstable release of wu-ftpd? |
| 22:58.39 | citral | rue_mohr: use vsftpd |
| 22:58.40 | rue_mohr | anyone? |
| 22:58.51 | rue_mohr | citral, its not my system :( |
| 22:58.59 | BadMan | hmmw orking now |
| 22:59.06 | citral | rue_mohr: you're not running debian? |
| 22:59.06 | Netdream | llahm: Hi, dude. Can you help me? |
| 22:59.14 | rue_mohr | citral, are you farmiliar with the 'cant touch it' issue? |
| 22:59.19 | aXp_ | rue_mohr, May 26, 2004: vsftpd is now serving ftp... We should have done this sooner... @ kernel.org |
| 22:59.20 | rue_mohr | citral, yep, its debian |
| 23:00.02 | citral | rue_mohr: see aXp_ comment... |
| 23:00.03 | rue_mohr | yea, well, the answer I'm looking for involvs someone saying if the opps in the wu-ftpd was fixed in unstable |
| 23:00.16 | Netdream | llahm: Thanks, I see. |
| 23:00.30 | citral | wu-ftpd has probably the worst history of security issues... |
| 23:00.33 | rue_mohr | yes I realize that... but its not my system, I'm not about to start making software changes like that |
| 23:00.46 | rue_mohr | ok, I'll mention that, in the meantime? |
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| 23:01.23 | rue_mohr | :/ |
| 23:01.32 | citral | just google for "wu-ftpd exploit" :| |
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| 23:01.43 | rue_mohr | look, I know, fine |
| 23:01.49 | llahm | Netdream: it's easiest just to ask the question instead of asking the does anybody know... pre-question, that's all |
| 23:01.56 | streuner_ | citral: does wu-ftpd support ssl? |
| 23:02.00 | llahm | Netdream: i can't say for sure if anybody knows the answer |
| 23:02.11 | rue_mohr | but I'm not changing that I'm here to ask if hte compile bug was fixed in a re-release |
| 23:02.12 | streuner_ | citral: secure ftp? |
| 23:02.12 | cafuego | rue_mohr: Aren't you subscribed to debian-security-announce? |
| 23:02.29 | rue_mohr | I'm filling in for a fellow who is away |
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| 23:02.46 | citral | streuner_: dunno... apt-cache show doesn't mention it |
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| 23:02.57 | cafuego | rue_mohr: http://security.debian.org/ -> check releases. |
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| 23:03.12 | streuner_ | citral: why doesn't he use proftpd then? |
| 23:03.26 | llahm | streuner_: it's not any better that WU |
| 23:03.27 | citral | streuner_: it's not his system... |
| 23:03.35 | streuner_ | ic |
| 23:03.38 | cafuego | rue_mohr: Take the opportunity to install a less shite ftpd whilst he's away ;-) |
| 23:03.41 | llahm | streuner_: vsftpd is really the only one with decent security |
| 23:04.00 | llahm | cafuego: hmm if i did that here i'd get fired no matter how good of an idea it is |
| 23:04.06 | Netdream | llahm: I see. Because I am a new guy for xchat. And your suggestion is very helpful for me.:) |
| 23:04.08 | citral | streuner_: proftpd can be ok for newbies on in internal LAN, but it's about as good as Wu-ftpd on public |
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| 23:04.20 | llahm | Netdream: sure |
| 23:04.21 | cafuego | llahm: Not if you explained how what you replaced had a massive remote root hole. |
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| 23:04.32 | llahm | cafuego: i wonder if they'd listen |
| 23:04.39 | rue_mohr | ok guys, I'll work towards changing that, thanks anyhow |
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| 23:04.51 | rue_mohr | know if the user account info automatically carries? |
| 23:04.59 | llahm | cafuego: it would be hard to convince them, and if i dled a sploit and ran it, they'd say, well if it happens, we know it was you |
| 23:05.03 | cafuego | rue_mohr: If they're shells, sure |
| 23:05.09 | citral | sorry if we didn't answer your question rue_mohr, but it's really dangerous |
| 23:05.17 | llahm | cafuego: it's sad but big companies hate change more than they hate hacking |
| 23:05.20 | rue_mohr | yes, I know, its not my setup |
| 23:05.32 | llahm | cafuego: hence why they convince governments to pass such huge prison terms, etc. |
| 23:05.41 | rue_mohr | I didn't want to go though 3 hours of reverse enginerring accounts and settings to fix the probelm |
| 23:05.45 | llahm | cafuego: easier just to lock people up than it is to do a good job |
| 23:05.51 | BadMan | hmm, wonder why her comp don't answer to its hostname... only to IP |
| 23:06.06 | cafuego | rue_mohr: Just write a memo, indicating the software being used is vulnerable to exploitation, recommend a change with a few alternative options. Writing memos is a GOOD use of company time. |
| 23:06.07 | llahm | cafuego: if you look at the best network security companies, it's always the smaller firms |
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| 23:06.23 | llahm | cafuego: the big firms are always behind the power curve |
| 23:06.53 | llahm | cafuego: but i agree, it never hurts to write a memo and explain the problem, it's just that it might not work |
| 23:07.06 | cafuego | llahm: Yes, but only because they employ accountants to be in charge of everything. if you explain how not being rooted through an ftpd will save them money, they'll be happy to switch. |
| 23:07.25 | llahm | rue_mohr: would you rather go through a week of "reverse enginerring accounts and settings" to fix what comrade h4x0r from the ukraine is going to do to the system if you don't fix it? |
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| 23:07.51 | cafuego | rue_mohr: Haha, install fake logs and claim it was already hacked. |
| 23:07.53 | chipi | hi |
| 23:07.55 | llahm | cafuego: i'll have to wait until i notice something like that here |
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| 23:08.12 | llahm | cafuego: and then see what happens if i report it |
| 23:08.14 | rue_mohr | ah well, more hours are a good thing |
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| 23:08.23 | Kero_1116 | hi |
| 23:08.32 | Kero_1116 | was wondering how i can set up my printer |
| 23:08.40 | chipi | anybody knows where (in what package) Perl's Test::Pod::Coverage and HTML::Entities are hosted? |
| 23:08.55 | streuner_ | Kero_1116: what kind of printer do you have? |
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| 23:09.53 | BadMan | well thats wierd, every other computer on network answers to hostname except hers.. |
| 23:10.13 | streuner_ | take a look in /etc/hosts |
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| 23:10.17 | llahm | chipi: tried CPAN? |
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| 23:10.31 | llahm | chipi: tried packages.debian.org |
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| 23:10.56 | Kero_1116 | HP laserjet |
| 23:10.56 | chipi | llahm: sure, tried hehe. |
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| 23:11.14 | chipi | llahm: was searching on libhtml-*-perl |
| 23:11.21 | BadMan | ssh into it via IP and login and then ping beastette and it responds, wondwer why it doesnt respond otherwise |
| 23:11.28 | streuner_ | Kero_1116: parallel? |
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| 23:11.56 | BadMan | gotta be a hosts issue cause it doesnt recognize the names of the rest of the network.... |
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| 23:12.04 | Kero_1116 | yes |
| 23:12.08 | Kero_1116 | parallel |
| 23:12.14 | Ikarus | Kero_1116: with or without PostScript module ? |
| 23:12.21 | Kero_1116 | with |
| 23:12.39 | Ikarus | Kero_1116: then classic lpr is the quickest thing to setup |
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| 23:13.06 | streuner_ | Kero_1116: or you use cups (/msg dpkg cups) |
| 23:13.11 | cafuego | chipi: Use dh-make-perl |
| 23:13.24 | llahm | chipi: also try googling in double quotes |
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| 23:14.45 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:14.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 23:15.04 | eOrk | fuck you |
| 23:15.10 | chr1s | I keep getting this locale error |
| 23:15.17 | streuner_ | abrotman: why do you abuse that factoid that much? :-) |
| 23:15.26 | chr1s | Like: en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory |
| 23:15.26 | abrotman | streuner_: i love it! |
| 23:15.30 | citral | eOrk: do you want to speak about it? |
| 23:15.32 | Kero_1116 | which one should i use? |
| 23:15.35 | zamolxes | in soviet russia the factoid abuses you |
| 23:15.38 | paulswm | :botabuse |
| 23:15.38 | streuner_ | well, that's a reason :-) |
| 23:15.41 | abrotman | eOrk: you don't like to moo? |
| 23:15.45 | paulswm | !botabuse |
| 23:15.45 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 23:15.51 | abrotman | you guys all love the moo! |
| 23:15.53 | eOrk | nope. |
| 23:16.03 | streuner_ | abrotman: apt-get moo ! |
| 23:16.03 | eOrk | the moo is gay. |
| 23:16.10 | abrotman | streuner_: you think i don't know |
| 23:16.11 | citral | he's frustrated. probably small penis. |
| 23:16.15 | abrotman | !tell eOrk about gay |
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| 23:16.23 | streuner_ | !tell eOrk about gay |
| 23:16.30 | drasko | hi all. In my var/www I have a simple index.html file, but when iI point my Firefox to localhost is says that I am trying to open a PHTML file, and asks me wich application to use... What's wrong here? |
| 23:16.40 | eOrk | fuck off hoom |
| 23:16.45 | streuner_ | abrotman: no |
| 23:16.50 | abrotman | drasko: apache points the wrong place? |
| 23:16.53 | chr1s | drasko: what headers are sent? |
| 23:16.58 | citral | caphuso: can you +q the tard please? |
| 23:17.00 | abrotman | eOrk: are you broken or unloved? |
| 23:17.06 | eOrk | both |
| 23:17.06 | caphuso | citral: which one? |
| 23:17.11 | citral | eOrk: |
| 23:17.18 | abrotman | i'm an ass .. not a tard .. |
| 23:17.19 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:17.34 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 23:17.38 | *** mode/#debian [+q eOrk!*@*] by caphuso |
| 23:17.41 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 23:17.42 | thingfish | yay! |
| 23:17.53 | zamolxes | we can moo now |
| 23:17.59 | citral | peace. |
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| 23:18.15 | llahm | lol |
| 23:18.35 | animall | well that's one way to shut a redneck up |
| 23:18.38 | Kero_1116 | everytime i print, there is always an extra blank page pritned last |
| 23:18.38 | llahm | well at least he wasn't *shudder* B1FF |
| 23:18.43 | thingfish | hehe animall |
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| 23:18.59 | chr1s | anyone experience with the locale thingy? |
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| 23:19.03 | caphuso | damnit. ealier today i've set up a ksh alternatives system. now i upgrade and apt-listchanges tells me: * Install /bin/ksh alternative |
| 23:19.04 | helix | caphuso: you should ban yourself |
| 23:19.07 | streuner_ | hey guys, join #debian-moo ;-) |
| 23:19.07 | neiljp_ | any known problems with usb-storage on sarge? (amd64 arch) it finds the drive, according to dmesg, but there's quite a few errors, and while I could mount it once, it won't mount again :( |
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| 23:19.19 | chr1s | when I do /usr/sbin/locale-gen |
| 23:19.27 | caphuso | helix: no, i don't want to spoil your fun |
| 23:19.28 | chipi | cafuego, llahm: libhtml-parser-perl, HTML::Entities is 'hosted' bye HTML::Parser :P |
| 23:19.29 | chr1s | en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory |
| 23:19.29 | abrotman | helix: because he messed up ksh? |
| 23:19.39 | helix | ksh is the shell for DRAGONS |
| 23:19.45 | citral | ah |
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| 23:19.52 | cafuego | helix: So are you enjoyiong it? |
| 23:19.58 | helix | menstruation? |
| 23:20.02 | cafuego | ksh |
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| 23:20.07 | asuffield | dragons? what the hell have you been smoking? |
| 23:20.14 | neiljp_ | I've even set up udev, and it creates a symlink ok, but it won't mount that either :( |
| 23:20.17 | abrotman | what does menstruation have to to do with ksh? |
| 23:20.18 | drac | ons. |
| 23:20.20 | helix | asuffield: it was close to kish |
| 23:20.21 | cafuego | neiljp_: No problems here |
| 23:20.22 | chance2105 | Ew. |
| 23:20.28 | helix | cafuego: I've never used ksh |
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| 23:20.34 | streuner_ | neiljp_: apt-get remove udev |
| 23:20.37 | thingfish | It gets darn near odd in here sometimes. |
| 23:20.48 | Cyanophytes | I have a question about networking win2k and debian. my win2k machine now can see the linux box but now cannot connect to any of the shares on it? |
| 23:20.51 | asuffield | ...you mean kysh? |
| 23:20.51 | neiljp_ | streuner: tempting, but maybe not... :) |
| 23:20.52 | paulswm | thingfish: more than 'near' |
| 23:20.55 | cafuego | helix: So how would you know its users like to hoard gold and jewels in caves? ;-) |
| 23:20.55 | drasko | abrotman, no, /var/www, I guess. At least that is in httpd.conf |
| 23:20.57 | abrotman | thingfish: why do you say that? |
| 23:20.59 | thingfish | hehe paulswm |
| 23:21.05 | abrotman | drasko: which apache? |
| 23:21.06 | neiljp_ | cafuego: on amd64 sarge? |
| 23:21.18 | helix | cafuego: because the only people who use ksh are people who enjoy shit like MUDs and nethack |
| 23:21.24 | abrotman | helix: AIX |
| 23:21.25 | paulswm | thingfish: were you here on Sunday for the memory-dropped-in-the-toilet event? |
| 23:21.26 | thingfish | abrotman: the sudden entrance of 'menstruation' into the conversation. |
| 23:21.29 | cafuego | neiljp_: Close enough anwyay. I *DO* run a self-compiled vanilla kernel though. |
| 23:21.30 | thingfish | oh gosh no |
| 23:21.39 | abrotman | thingfish: moo ? |
| 23:21.39 | cafuego | helix: MOO |
| 23:21.41 | citral | speaking about blood... at the hospital they asked if we'd like to keep the placenta... to plant it in the garten. people are really going weird this days. |
| 23:21.46 | drasko | abrotman, 1 |
| 23:21.47 | helix | moonstration! |
| 23:21.49 | drasko | abrotman, 1.33 |
| 23:21.50 | thingfish | hehe abrotman you know it! |
| 23:21.52 | helix | caphuso: no way |
| 23:22.01 | cafuego | helix: That said, my friend henri much prefers csh |
| 23:22.01 | helix | unless they like apricots |
| 23:22.09 | humbolt | what is the prefered mgeg4 like video codec for transcoding DVDs? |
| 23:22.10 | abrotman | drasko: Grand Moff Tarkin! |
| 23:22.11 | neiljp_ | cafuego: ah, right...I had some probs with usb on i386 kernel, but I can't remember the versions which worked/didn't |
| 23:22.12 | caphuso | helix: it's virgins, typically |
| 23:22.14 | thingfish | oh gosh, apricots are wonderful. |
| 23:22.15 | helix | cafuego: how often do you visit him in the institution? |
| 23:22.27 | drasko | abrotman, ? |
| 23:22.35 | helix | caphuso: you should be worried about the rest of the channel then :P |
| 23:22.36 | cafuego | helix: Whenever I can afford to go to Europe, so not too often. |
| 23:22.37 | asuffield | do not meddle in the diets of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup |
| 23:22.41 | neiljp_ | cafuego: debian source? |
| 23:22.45 | helix | mmm, crunchy |
| 23:22.48 | caphuso | helix: :) |
| 23:22.51 | cafuego | helix: We prefer to refer to it as "Holland" and not "the insitution" though ;-) |
| 23:22.59 | cafuego | neiljp_: VANILLA |
| 23:23.08 | abrotman | drasko: made just as much sense :) |
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| 23:23.19 | Kero_1116 | lol, i dont' know what debian is using to print |
| 23:23.20 | neiljp_ | cafuego: ah, sorry, misinterpreted... |
| 23:23.51 | cafuego | neiljp_: Also usb2, not usb1.1 |
| 23:23.51 | BadMan | bah alsmot 3 hrs to go |
| 23:23.53 | cafuego | helix: breakfast is a good idea |
| 23:24.00 | abrotman | cafuego: moo! |
| 23:24.05 | humbolt | what divix like codec is the one to go for when trying to transcode DVDs? |
| 23:24.14 | neiljp_ | cafuego: this cam worked on my old debian system (with udev, etc.), but I'm wondering if this new one's usb2/1.1 makes it confused |
| 23:24.17 | cafuego | abrotman: no, MOO. (Mud Object Oriented) |
| 23:24.28 | Kero_1116 | how do i find which spooler i use |
| 23:24.35 | abrotman | cafuego: err .. Milk and and ... why aren't there beef based breakfast items ? |
| 23:24.43 | cafuego | humbolt: Whatever is most suited for what you intend to do with the result. |
| 23:24.52 | cafuego | abrotman: sausages |
| 23:24.56 | abrotman | cafuego: isn't that pork? |
| 23:25.02 | animall | abrotman, i thought that's what steak was for |
| 23:25.03 | cafuego | abrotman: Depends on where you are |
| 23:25.13 | helix | steak for breakfast? |
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| 23:25.15 | cafuego | abrotman: take Israel for example |
| 23:25.18 | streuner_ | helix: when do you come to europe? |
| 23:25.25 | abrotman | cafuego: israel can't be eaten |
| 23:25.26 | animall | sorry, my schedule is screwed up |
| 23:25.27 | helix | streuner_: beginning of july |
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| 23:25.33 | |alien| | hey |
| 23:25.34 | animall | 2nd and 3rd shift work for 2 years |
| 23:25.40 | cafuego | helix: Steak sanga is a good aussie breakfast |
| 23:25.49 | |alien| | i got sarge installed and set it up for unstable |
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| 23:26.04 | |alien| | i tried using the KDE 3.4 rep at http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34 |
| 23:26.08 | cafuego | How is it that whenever helix is awake we end up talking about meat? |
| 23:26.09 | |alien| | doesn't wanna play |
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| 23:26.13 | abrotman | |alien|: #debian-kde |
| 23:26.16 | |alien| | kthx :) |
| 23:26.21 | helix | cafuego: I make you hungry? |
| 23:26.25 | abrotman | and change the stupid nick |
| 23:26.34 | cafuego | helix: Yes, but apart from that |
| 23:26.34 | paulswm | !prize helix |
| 23:26.44 | abrotman | cafuego: her secret pining for things made from animals? |
| 23:26.48 | asuffield | maybe helix smells like meat |
| 23:26.50 | helix | like slaves |
| 23:26.50 | abrotman | !prise paulswm |
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| 23:26.59 | paulswm | @lart abrotman |
| 23:27.04 | nSe | i can't install any dictionary with wordtrans, i went trought manual, doc, everything. do anybody here have some experience with wordtrans, or can point some url, please? |
| 23:27.07 | mikeX | lol |
| 23:27.17 | abrotman | asuffield: can we grill helix? |
| 23:27.26 | asuffield | abrotman: dunno. let's find out |
| 23:27.30 | abrotman | !cook helix |
| 23:27.33 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:27.34 | abrotman | guess not |
| 23:27.51 | helix | you guys forgot I can run away |
| 23:27.57 | stew | i hear vegetarians taste like chicken |
| 23:28.12 | drasko | abrotman, I stopped apache and started apache2. Still the same thing... |
| 23:28.15 | abrotman | helix: the animals could too .. until they got skewered :) |
| 23:28.16 | streuner_ | stew: she isn't |
| 23:28.23 | asuffield | helix: that's why you have to be kept on a leash |
| 23:28.24 | abrotman | drasko: apache2 has a different config system |
| 23:28.48 | helix | asuffield: doesn't work |
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| 23:29.16 | citral | helix: do you like babys? |
| 23:29.18 | cafuego | stew: vegetarians who eat seafood taste like crocodile |
| 23:29.25 | helix | citral: baby humans? |
| 23:29.29 | citral | yep |
| 23:29.34 | cafuego | citral: "Yes, but I couldn't eat a whole one" |
| 23:29.38 | helix | citral: to eat? or to look at and stuff? |
| 23:29.42 | citral | heh |
| 23:29.43 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 23:29.47 | citral | to look at |
| 23:29.48 | abrotman | cafuego: that's not a nice thing to say about your wife |
| 23:29.52 | helix | yeah, babies are awesome |
| 23:29.53 | drasko | abrotman, I know. In /etc/apache2/sites-enabled I can see that my document root is /var/www. But it wont read my simple index.html |
| 23:30.04 | paulswm | A baby is a device for turning mushy food into poop |
| 23:30.08 | cafuego | abrotman: Howso? You implying my wife is a baby? |
| 23:30.13 | Cyanophytes | with a win2k and a linux box networked what would prevent the win2k box from accesing shares on the linux box? |
| 23:30.14 | abrotman | drasko: should be fairly straight forward .. maybe ask #apache |
| 23:30.17 | asuffield | silly question. all females are genetically predisposed to like babies |
| 23:30.19 | abrotman | cafuego: tasting like crocodile |
| 23:30.22 | citral | helix: I'm so proud... I must tell it the whole world... have a look at ftp://217.187.144.223 if you like :) |
| 23:30.23 | helix | babies EVERYWHERE |
| 23:30.27 | helix | you had a baby?! |
| 23:30.28 | asuffield | paulswm: I always thought of it more as a device for turning normal people into drooling idiots |
| 23:30.33 | cafuego | abrotman: My wife's in no way a vegetarian, that's fine. |
| 23:30.34 | citral | helix: on sunday |
| 23:30.37 | paulswm | asuffield: Priceless. |
| 23:30.44 | abrotman | cafuego: guess you lucked out |
| 23:30.46 | helix | waaah, 550 |
| 23:30.47 | helix | fix it |
| 23:30.52 | citral | gah |
| 23:31.01 | abrotman | citral: we can't see it! |
| 23:31.04 | streuner_ | helix: one of my teacher said: 'We are all children' older or younger ;-) |
| 23:31.09 | helix | asuffield: it's harder to do psychological experiments on adults |
| 23:31.13 | helix | but babiessssssss |
| 23:31.29 | peterS | use active mode, not passive mode |
| 23:31.32 | cafuego | asuffield: My wife detests babies and children in general. your theory is flawed ;-) |
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| 23:31.53 | helix | peterS likes babies too |
| 23:31.56 | paulswm | Anyone who hates children and dogs can't be all bad |
| 23:31.58 | cafuego | peterS: use ip_conntrack_ftp not astive mode |
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| 23:32.15 | streuner_ | peterS: hehe :-) |
| 23:32.20 | thingfish | I like children. I prefer them baked, but I'll take roasted or fried. |
| 23:32.22 | dli | any experts on the /proc filesystem? need some howto on proc |
| 23:32.23 | abrotman | citral: fix it! |
| 23:32.25 | citral | helix: 550 just because it doesn't do PASV, perms are ok |
| 23:32.27 | WiFiTux_OBck | cafuego: why does she hate them? |
| 23:32.32 | cafuego | Though the worst thing about children are parents who can't talk about anyone else. |
| 23:32.32 | asuffield | paulswm: it's not strictly required for you to grow old. you can harass the sysadmin instead |
| 23:32.37 | peterS | cafuego: huh? it's the remote end that doesn't like PASV, not the local mode |
| 23:32.41 | peterS | cafuego: I mean, not the local end |
| 23:32.58 | helix | do the local mode shun with me |
| 23:33.04 | peterS | huh? |
| 23:33.05 | asuffield | helix: shut up |
| 23:33.08 | cafuego | s/one/thing/ |
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| 23:33.11 | paulswm | asuffield: I'm not an SA, but I support apps, I'm therefore one of the ones who gets harassed :) |
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| 23:33.14 | helix | god, you guys don't appreciate my humor |
| 23:33.14 | streuner_ | dli: experts? i've never touch it in years... |
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| 23:33.22 | abrotman | helix: you have some? |
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| 23:33.26 | peterS | when it's grammatical I usually do |
| 23:33.32 | paulswm | helix: That was very clever, I got it, very good |
| 23:33.34 | peterS | but what you just said didn't even parse |
| 23:33.37 | helix | peterS: you don't remember that song? |
| 23:33.39 | helix | the locomotion |
| 23:33.44 | helix | who sang that anyway |
| 23:33.44 | asuffield | peterS: it was awful. don't encourage her to explain it |
| 23:33.46 | helix | kylie minogue? |
| 23:33.50 | abrotman | every body's doing a brand new dance now |
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| 23:33.51 | WiFiTux_OBck | yep |
| 23:33.51 | citral | c'mon baby do the loco-motion |
| 23:33.51 | helix | it RULED |
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| 23:33.56 | peterS | helix: don't know. madonna covered it but she wasn't the original |
| 23:33.58 | helix | come on and swaaaaang your hips now |
| 23:33.59 | abrotman | helix: ^^ |
| 23:34.01 | dli | streuner_, I want to understand why "fuser 22/tcp" would hang forever |
| 23:34.05 | abrotman | do i get bonus points? |
| 23:34.05 | asuffield | fuck's sake, kylie wasn't even born when that song was written |
| 23:34.12 | helix | asuffield: dude, kylie is OLD |
| 23:34.13 | cafuego | !sing helix |
| 23:34.13 | dpkg | It's not unusual to have your hips proposed to. |
| 23:34.15 | asuffield | you people are clueless :P |
| 23:34.17 | helix | maybe it was olivia newton john |
| 23:34.18 | abrotman | that song was a remake |
| 23:34.21 | WiFiTux_OBck | asuffield: She sang it. |
| 23:34.23 | paulswm | There's an old British song which goes "M.A.B it's a big horse" |
| 23:34.23 | helix | but I think kylie remade it |
| 23:34.26 | abrotman | the version we know anyways |
| 23:34.26 | UKPbrownUK | can anyone help? I am pulling my hair out. I have a really simple page counter, the txt file never updates, I have checked permissions, even made the file 777 but it doesn't update, I checked the error log for apache and nothing, anyone any ideas? |
| 23:34.26 | citral | helix: right |
| 23:34.26 | streuner_ | dli: isn't 22 ssh? |
| 23:34.35 | cafuego | helix: if kylie is old, olivia newton john is.... |
| 23:34.36 | paulswm | "M.A.B it's a big horse Ah'm a Londener..." |
| 23:34.39 | peterS | oh dear. kylie minogue remade something madonna had already remade? that's like really really sad |
| 23:34.40 | helix | olivia newton john and kylie minogue are like the same person though |
| 23:34.44 | Ikarus | Page Counter....... |
| 23:34.46 | paulswm | s/dener/doner/ |
| 23:34.51 | helix | peterS: I think it was the other way around |
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| 23:34.53 | asuffield | it was Little Eva. what is wrong with you people? |
| 23:34.55 | helix | peterS: this remake was in the 80s |
| 23:34.55 | Ikarus | UKPbrownUK: use a random number generator |
| 23:34.56 | streuner_ | dli_: somebody connected to your box via ssh? |
| 23:34.59 | helix | who the hell is little eva? |
| 23:35.01 | pipeline | cafuego: Olivia Newton John is about ten years older than Kylie Minogue |
| 23:35.02 | shingouz | asuffield: they are too young |
| 23:35.02 | BadMan | I am amazed at the progress some service providers are making at getting broadband to the rural areas, i live 7 miles from town and have dsl, all be it a lowly 500k(wishit were better) but that is still good for noone living within 3 miles of me |
| 23:35.09 | WiFiTux_OBck | anyway, Kulie is good only for one thing. And it ain't singing. |
| 23:35.14 | pipeline | cafuego: But they're both freakishly preserved |
| 23:35.19 | citral | abrotman: got it? I can't do passive... but it works |
| 23:35.20 | humbolt | do I have to deinterlace a dvd in order to watch it fullscreen? |
| 23:35.22 | WiFiTux_OBck | s/Kulie/Kylie |
| 23:35.22 | pipeline | You wouldn't know that Kylie Minogue is as old as my mother |
| 23:35.24 | abrotman | and WiFiTux_OBck doesn't know anything about the other :) |
| 23:35.27 | asuffield | and it was from the early 1960s. kylie was born in 1968 |
| 23:35.32 | dli | streuner_, all fuser commands with tcp ports hang |
| 23:35.37 | UKPbrownUK | don't want to use random number :-( |
| 23:35.40 | abrotman | citral: erm .. hold on |
| 23:35.42 | cafuego | humbolt: Not normally, no. |
| 23:35.45 | nSe | Is there anybody here with some experience with wordtrans? I'm having several problems in finding documentation in order to install the necessary dictionaries. |
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| 23:36.03 | UKPbrownUK | It has to be a permission but I can't think where, its been 666 and 777 |
| 23:36.07 | abrotman | citral: wget no workie? |
| 23:36.12 | paulswm | I live in the sticks too, suddenly went from 56K dialup to 6MBit cable and is still dizzy |
| 23:36.14 | dli | streuner_, indeed it also hangs with fuser /sbin/init |
| 23:36.18 | humbolt | non of my players seems to be be able to play my divx xvid whatever fullscreen anymore (mplayer -vo xv) |
| 23:36.25 | streuner_ | dli: one thing, you do NOT need to change anything in /proc |
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| 23:36.32 | pipeline | humbolt: -zoom ? |
| 23:36.38 | Guerin | -fs? |
| 23:36.42 | Guerin | i mean |
| 23:36.42 | humbolt | F |
| 23:36.46 | mikeX | pipeline, ouch |
| 23:36.49 | Guerin | it might SEEM obvious, but... |
| 23:36.49 | dli | streuner_, I suspect something wrong in /proc |
| 23:36.58 | mikeX | humbolt, what did you do? |
| 23:37.00 | humbolt | black around the small video |
| 23:37.02 | shingouz | humbolt: xvinfo should tell you if you have anything that is capable of xv in the first place |
| 23:37.11 | peterS | abrotman: what's wrong with spaces in filenames? |
| 23:37.18 | streuner_ | dli: custom kernel? |
| 23:37.21 | Guerin | peterS: lots |
| 23:37.28 | peterS | Guerin: only if you're an inept script writer |
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| 23:37.30 | Guerin | peterS: not as much as newlines in filenames |
| 23:37.32 | abrotman | peterS: inherently evil |
| 23:37.34 | paulswm | they require escaping or quoting and are generally a pain in the ass |
| 23:37.37 | dli | streuner_, yeah, 2.4.22-om2, with openmosix |
| 23:37.37 | caphuso | peterS: they look ugly if served over the web |
| 23:37.39 | cafuego | peterS: nothing\ much\ really |
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| 23:37.44 | toukitsune | omg the ubuntu people are trying to convert me |
| 23:37.45 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:37.46 | asuffield | helix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Eva |
| 23:37.48 | citral | abrotman: you're true... renamed it |
| 23:37.50 | humbolt | X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 Adaptor #0: "SIS 300/315/330 series Video Overlay" |
| 23:37.51 | abrotman | toukitsune: show them your penis |
| 23:37.52 | Chass | Mar 14 06:25:02 debian su[4654]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) <-- this is in my auth.log file.. anything suspicious? |
| 23:37.56 | cafuego | caphuso: well%20so%20what |
| 23:37.58 | humbolt | It did work a minute ago |
| 23:38.02 | peterS | paulswm: if you aren't escaping or quoting your filenames you're already borrowing trouble |
| 23:38.05 | humbolt | but it does not anymore |
| 23:38.07 | helix | what a name |
| 23:38.10 | helix | eva narcissus |
| 23:38.11 | abrotman | so it was Little Eva and Kylie Minogue? |
| 23:38.12 | toukitsune | abrotman: what makes you think I have one |
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| 23:38.24 | mikeX | humbolt, well surely you did something |
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| 23:38.26 | abrotman | helix: oh .. the original was Fancy? |
| 23:38.28 | dli | streuner_, oh, let me see whether the source of fuser is simple enough for me to debug |
| 23:38.32 | abrotman | toukitsune: borrow one |
| 23:38.34 | caphuso | Chass: probably just the updatedb cron job |
| 23:38.35 | helix | what? |
| 23:38.36 | toukitsune | thingfish: are ubuntu people vampires? |
| 23:38.44 | humbolt | mikeX: my xine crashed? |
| 23:38.46 | caphuso | Chass: time and usernames match |
| 23:38.46 | Guerin | toukitsune: depends who you ask |
| 23:38.50 | asuffield | helix: have you no comprehension of 1960s music? :P |
| 23:38.54 | WiFiTux_OBck | toukitsune:worse |
| 23:38.56 | abrotman | helix: i'm so confused about that song :) |
| 23:38.57 | Chass | okay, thanks |
| 23:39.04 | caphuso | the 1960 had music? |
| 23:39.08 | paulswm | peterS: I'm old fashioned enough to still avoid mixed case filenames, let alone ones with strange characters in them :) |
| 23:39.08 | slartibartfast | dpkg ubuntu |
| 23:39.09 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 23:39.09 | WiFiTux_OBck | lol |
| 23:39.09 | peterS | abrotman: what's confusing about it? it makes no sense and is supposed to make no sense |
| 23:39.13 | thingfish | toukitsune: garlic works against all kinds of foul creatures. |
| 23:39.13 | mikeX | humbolt, did you try restarting X? |
| 23:39.14 | Chass | becuase i've had a few breakin attempts.. |
| 23:39.16 | humbolt | does my picture get better if I deinterlace? |
| 23:39.19 | humbolt | no |
| 23:39.22 | helix | asuffield: what is there to comprehend? |
| 23:39.22 | Chass | and i'm searching for clues to success |
| 23:39.23 | abrotman | peterS: the original singer |
| 23:39.27 | toukitsune | lol |
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| 23:39.37 | asuffield | fucking hell, it was written by Carole King. that figures, I guess |
| 23:39.38 | cafuego | thingfish: especially women ;-) |
| 23:39.48 | mikeX | humbolt, well if you are dealing with interlaced source, probably yes |
| 23:39.57 | thingfish | cafuego: you said it, not me. |
| 23:39.59 | chance2105 | aptitude is the deal. |
| 23:40.02 | peterS | abrotman: oh that. what I don't get is why everyone here cares (: |
| 23:40.03 | Guerin | anyone repelled by garlic probably wasn't worth having as a friend anyhow |
| 23:40.10 | abrotman | peterS: because i sneezed |
| 23:40.11 | humbolt | dvd is interlaced isn't it? |
| 23:40.12 | caphuso | Chass: well, someone breaking in your box and becoming root would most likely not bother to become nobody |
| 23:40.12 | cafuego | thingfish: I must admit I'm special that way. |
| 23:40.14 | ciga | the remaining capacity in /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state is 0 mWh. I cannot charge my battery. Is there anything I can do? |
| 23:40.17 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:40.18 | peterS | abrotman: ahhh. that's a good reason |
| 23:40.21 | paulswm | Well, off to have dinner and watch TV, it's been fun, you all have a safe and peaceful night |
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| 23:40.25 | asuffield | humbolt: it can be. doesn't have to be |
| 23:40.26 | Guerin | ciga: save your work |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | citral: you stole that kid! |
| 23:40.30 | cafuego | ciga: Get a new battery or check the charger? |
| 23:40.32 | mikeX | anyone know what's up with synaptic not updating debian-menu entries? |
| 23:40.39 | citral | abrotman: I made it!!! |
| 23:40.39 | asuffield | humbolt: ones targetted for TV display typically are because, well, TVs are interlaced |
| 23:40.42 | abrotman | citral: how? |
| 23:40.43 | peterS | mikeX: synaptic isn't responsible for menu entries |
| 23:40.48 | caphuso | Chass: and 6:25 is when the /etc/cron.daily/ scripts kick in, where the script is that runs updatedb as user nobody |
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| 23:40.52 | Chass | caphuso, i wasn't sure if it was a known backdoor that i hadn't patched yet, etc |
| 23:40.54 | mikeX | humbolt, usually, not always - mostly NTSC dvds |
| 23:40.55 | citral | abrotman: wit hmy penis and a lot of love |
| 23:40.55 | peterS | mikeX: individual packages are responsible for providing their own and making update-menus run |
| 23:40.56 | humbolt | asuffield: then it is |
| 23:40.57 | Chass | caphuso, okay, thanks |
| 23:41.12 | abrotman | citral: you love your toilet? |
| 23:41.24 | citral | uh? |
| 23:41.25 | WiFiTux_OBck | ciga: boot and stay in the BIOS, then see of it gets charged a bit. It could be something screwy. Else, get a new battery or troubleshoot top know what is wrong. |
| 23:41.28 | chance2105 | first it was menstration, now it's penis, I think I get it |
| 23:41.30 | Guerin | citral: Congratulations! You get to go on to the next level: gentoobies! |
| 23:41.37 | mikeX | peterS, well installing a package with synaptic won't update the menu. running apt-get install some other package after that will |
| 23:41.41 | abrotman | chance2105: don't try to comprehend .. it will hurt |
| 23:41.51 | thingfish | boy I'll say |
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| 23:42.00 | peterS | mikeX: I think you're hitting a timing issue. update-menus waits for the package manager to release its lock before running |
| 23:42.02 | citral | girl... |
| 23:42.05 | abrotman | citral: cute kid .. but you realize .. you put socks on her hands? |
| 23:42.12 | citral | abrotman: ahhhh |
| 23:42.14 | peterS | mikeX: the reason it does this is so that mutiple packages that all run update-menus don't duplicate effort |
| 23:42.25 | peterS | mikeX: therefore - just quite syntaptic, then wait for update-menus to notice and finish running |
| 23:42.29 | citral | abrotman: the nails are long, too long, she would hurt her face |
| 23:42.32 | asuffield | abrotman: like I said. drooling idiots. |
| 23:42.35 | peterS | s/quite/quit/ |
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| 23:42.58 | abrotman | asuffield: gentoobies? or ubuntus ? |
| 23:43.06 | mikeX | peterS, ok will check (although I did try running update-menus manually with no success) |
| 23:43.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:43.11 | peterS | abrotman: I prefer the term 'ubunt' |
| 23:43.15 | Guerin | ubuntoobies? |
| 23:43.15 | abrotman | citral: ah .. gotcha .. hopefully didn't scratch and claw on the way out :) |
| 23:43.19 | asuffield | abrotman: result of exposure to babies |
| 23:43.22 | WiFiTux_OBck | ah |
| 23:43.23 | citral | Guerin: what's wrong? |
| 23:43.29 | travisat | unbuntooobies |
| 23:43.36 | abrotman | asuffield: hehe |
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| 23:43.44 | helix | peterS: http://www.yarnivore.com/francis/archives/001071.html |
| 23:43.46 | SpookyET|Kubuntu | hi |
| 23:43.47 | helix | babiesssssss |
| 23:43.50 | abrotman | neiljp_: did you catch anything ? |
| 23:44.00 | silverton | hey, I was here the other day, I need the codecs repository again... |
| 23:44.05 | neiljp_ | abrotman: I wish! |
| 23:44.10 | travisat | !marillat? |
| 23:44.10 | dpkg | somebody said marillat was an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 23:44.11 | SpookyET|Kubuntu | hi |
| 23:44.15 | citral | helix: it works... was a fucking white space in the name, did you get it? |
| 23:44.23 | helix | citral: huh? |
| 23:44.30 | silverton | yup! |
| 23:44.32 | silverton | that's the one! |
| 23:44.33 | silverton | thanks much |
| 23:44.34 | asuffield | helix: what does that have to do with babies? and why are you hissing? |
| 23:44.40 | peterS | helix: sounds promising. but I don't see why people would either (a) not like Geddy Lee's voice, (b) want to scream because of Geddy Lee's voice, or (b) wish to rip Geddy Lee's vocal cords out |
| 23:44.46 | helix | asuffield: it has nothing to do with babies |
| 23:44.48 | neiljp_ | abrotman: I've managed to mount my camera via usb-storage ok once again, by modprobe-r'ing usb-storage...but now that doesn't work... |
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| 23:44.56 | citral | helix: ftp://217.187.144.223 |
| 23:44.57 | helix | peterS: :) |
| 23:44.59 | thingfish | nasty nasty Geddy Lee |
| 23:45.05 | peterS | thingfish: hey now |
| 23:45.23 | abrotman | neiljp_: start with . why not? |
| 23:45.27 | thingfish | plus Rush was just a Yes ripoff anyway. |
| 23:45.27 | SpookyET|Kubuntu | Can I install debian over Kubuntu? |
| 23:45.37 | citral | kubuntu now. |
| 23:45.38 | neiljp_ | abrotman: huh? |
| 23:45.42 | cafuego | SpookyET|Kubuntu: No. |
| 23:45.43 | abrotman | !d-i SpookyET|Kubuntu |
| 23:45.44 | Guerin | SpookyET|Kubuntu: sure. |
| 23:45.44 | dpkg | SpookyET|Kubuntu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:45.56 | helix | given the names of past releases, I'm surprised they didn't call kubuntu ukuntu |
| 23:46.01 | Guerin | hah |
| 23:46.06 | thingfish | helix that was TOO funny |
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| 23:46.11 | cafuego | Gnubuntu |
| 23:46.12 | abrotman | uguntu ? |
| 23:46.13 | peterS | helix: I think even stupid people would notice the syllable in the middle as being potentially problematic. but who knows, maybe not |
| 23:46.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:46.31 | helix | peterS: it could've been ukuntu hoary |
| 23:46.35 | cafuego | peterS: what's problematic about 'kunt' ? |
| 23:46.44 | sdogi | hey guys |
| 23:46.48 | abrotman | cafuego: they don't have that word in .au ? |
| 23:46.50 | SpookyET|Kubuntu | What's your problem with Kubuntu? |
| 23:46.50 | asuffield | peterS: if not, have no fear. Overfiend is guaranteed to start calling it 'kunt linux' |
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| 23:46.57 | peterS | cafuego: some people would consider it offensive. I wouldn't, particularly |
| 23:47.01 | abrotman | SpookyET|Kubuntu: it's not debian |
| 23:47.01 | cafuego | abrotman: yes, but why would it be problematic? |
| 23:47.05 | abrotman | !d-i SpookyET|Kubuntu |
| 23:47.05 | dpkg | SpookyET|Kubuntu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:47.08 | thingfish | this is just a terrible, terrible channel. |
| 23:47.12 | abrotman | thingfish: why? |
| 23:47.17 | booboo | anyone know of a good free mail server that doesn't require a user account? |
| 23:47.24 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.24 | abrotman | thingfish: would you prefer to go back to #fedora? |
| 23:47.26 | thingfish | abrotman: all you nasties. |
| 23:47.34 | WiFiTux_OBck | actually kunt would fit nice with Ubuntu |
| 23:47.34 | cafuego | peterS: Seeing as it's KDE based, it would be ratehr fitting ;-) |
| 23:47.36 | shingouz | what? us nasty? |
| 23:47.38 | abrotman | thingfish: i'm a very polite motherfucker i'll have you know :) |
| 23:47.39 | SpookyET|Kubuntu | Ubuntu is Debian with a working release manager. Ubuntu is Debian Lite. |
| 23:47.39 | thingfish | abrotman: oh GOD no. Please, I take it all back. |
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| 23:47.50 | cafuego | SpookyET|Kubuntu: #troll is next door. |
| 23:47.58 | NyteOwl | booboo and how would you send and receive mail without an account? |
| 23:48.02 | abrotman | !d-i SpookyET|Kubuntu |
| 23:48.03 | dpkg | SpookyET|Kubuntu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:48.03 | DiegoElias | hello...i'm installing bind and in the document it say that ping domain.com does work...but mail.domain.com works...what i need to do ? |
| 23:48.13 | WiFiTux_OBck | !aol SpookyET|Kubuntu |
| 23:48.19 | abrotman | booboo: i believe you can use postfix or exim with mysql for virtual accounts |
| 23:48.29 | silverton | dpkg kicks ass! >:D |
| 23:48.32 | booboo | NyteOvl:users can have accounts, i just dont want them to have an OS user account |
| 23:48.35 | thingfish | besides...that wasn't a judgement call, it was just an observation. :) |
| 23:48.59 | Guerin | sure, pal |
| 23:49.07 | booboo | abrotman:i'll check it out, thanks |
| 23:49.13 | NyteOwl | booboo sorry, misunderstood :) |
| 23:49.21 | martha | I have this problem with the fonts looking a bit weird when I view a PDF file with acroread, but the same file looks fine in GV. Why is that? Is there a problem with the file? |
| 23:49.22 | ericb_ | is it me or kde-look.org is down ?? |
| 23:49.23 | abrotman | booboo: ask #postfix or #exim |
| 23:49.25 | cafuego | booboo: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 23:49.30 | SpookyET|Kubuntu | I tried to do apt-get install Debian-Sarge in Kubuntu, but it did not work. |
| 23:49.39 | nydust | hey i am running sarge and need apache 1.3 how do i downgrade to apache 1.3? |
| 23:49.44 | abrotman | SpookyET|Kubuntu: no shit .. Ubunut/Kubuntu IS NOT DEBIAN |
| 23:49.54 | NyteOwl | booboo: they still need to be able to log onto the mail server. you just ahve to restrict their access. |
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| 23:50.03 | citral | donuts are NOT debian |
| 23:50.09 | shingouz | SpookyET|Kubuntu: you do not install ubuntu first and the try to install debian with it. you install debian if you want to run debian |
| 23:50.10 | abrotman | not nearly as tasty |
| 23:50.10 | neiljp_ | hmm, apparently the camera is registering (wrongly) on sdc, sdd, ... sdj, but sdb should work, but only rarely gets generated :( |
| 23:50.10 | cafuego | SpookyET|Kubuntu: You need to download a sarge cd, boot from it, install debian. |
| 23:50.14 | ericb_ | lol@SpookyET |
| 23:50.22 | dli | the correct way to build after "apt-get source" is "debian/rules binary", right? |
| 23:50.26 | thingfish | I thought the crullers were sort of debian. |
| 23:50.38 | NyteOwl | mmmm crullers |
| 23:50.49 | citral | dli: you could apt-get source <package> --build-package |
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| 23:50.54 | DiegoElias | hello...i'm installing bind and in the document it say that ping domain.com does work...but mail.domain.com works...what i need to do ?? |
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| 23:51.07 | dli | citral, I need to modify the source manually |
| 23:51.09 | cafuego | DiegoElias: maybe try to clarify the problem. |
| 23:51.19 | cafuego | DiegoElias: Because what you're saying now makes no sense. |
| 23:51.19 | streuner_ | dli: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:51.25 | abrotman | DiegoElias: they both work? |
| 23:51.30 | WiFiTux_OBck | DiegoElias: lea, lo que escribio. y vue;valo a escribir. |
| 23:51.34 | DiegoElias | cafuego: sorry...i'll explain better... |
| 23:51.41 | citral | dli: then run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 23:51.55 | SpookyET|Kubuntu | Why are you people insesitive Kunts? |
| 23:52.08 | ericb_ | DiegoElias you may join #dns or read the mini howto I've written http://ericboutin.blogspot.com/2005/03/really-quick-dns-howto.html |
| 23:52.10 | abrotman | SpookyET|Kubuntu: either install debian .. or leave .. |
| 23:52.14 | abrotman | !d-i SpookyET|Kubuntu |
| 23:52.15 | dpkg | SpookyET|Kubuntu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:52.23 | shingouz | SpookyET|Kubuntu: because of the simple reason that ubuntu is not debian |
| 23:52.23 | cafuego | SpookyET|Kubuntu: We're not, we just don't feel like helping fucking bloody cunts who are being idots. |
| 23:52.26 | WiFiTux_OBck | SpookyET|Kubuntu: cut it. |
| 23:52.27 | citral | SpookyET|Kubuntu: why are thou trolling ? |
| 23:52.34 | helix | oh shut up all of you |
| 23:52.47 | cheal | citral: I don't think --build-package exists. try -c instead |
| 23:53.07 | SpookyET|Kubuntu | Forbear to judge, for we are sinners all! |
| 23:53.08 | WiFiTux_OBck | !stfu helix |
| 23:53.09 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP helix! |
| 23:53.15 | asuffield | sounds like krooger |
| 23:53.17 | cheal | oh please |
| 23:53.19 | bob2 | WiFiTux_OBck: enough |
| 23:53.21 | cafuego | SpookyET|Kubuntu: it's really simple: if you want to run debian, download and install debian. if you want to run ubuntu, go to #ubuntu for help. |
| 23:53.21 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 23:53.22 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@200.91.94.134] by helix |
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| 23:53.22 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 23:53.27 | helix | SpookyET|Kubuntu: cut it out |
| 23:53.30 | *** mode/#debian [+o asuffield] by ChanServ |
| 23:53.30 | dli | citral, thanks |
| 23:53.33 | abrotman | oh .. that's not diplomatic :) |
| 23:53.35 | thingfish | oh now see, all you guys are going crazy. why it's chaos in here, pure chaos! |
| 23:53.35 | DiegoElias | i have installed bind now...in the document the i'm reading, this explain that for test the bind i need to do: ( ping domain.com, ping mail.domain.com, ping www.domain.com ) << . mail and www works fine....but domain.com return unknown host. |
| 23:53.36 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@24-196-233-44.cpe.ga.charter.com] by asuffield |
| 23:53.37 | RichiH | heh |
| 23:53.43 | *** mode/#debian [-o asuffield] by ChanServ |
| 23:53.44 | abrotman | and who changed that factoid? |
| 23:54.28 | DiegoElias | the = that :) |
| 23:54.28 | cafuego | DiegoElias: Just add an IP for the domain. |
| 23:54.28 | ericb_ | DiegoElias you may join #dns or read the mini howto I've written http://ericboutin.blogspot.com/2005/03/really-quick-dns-howto.html |
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| 23:54.29 | abrotman | sadly . i'm watching CNN . and they announce somehting i never wanted to know .. Britney Spears will spawn |
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| 23:54.32 | toukitsune | what? |
| 23:54.37 | ericb_ | noooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 23:54.42 | cafuego | DiegoElias: Though if you just add a wildcard MX record, there's no need for the domain to have an IP. |
| 23:54.46 | thingfish | oh yes abrotman my roommate just told me that. ee-yechh |
| 23:54.51 | BadMan | abrotman: i wanted to be the one to mate with her... mmmmmm looked tasty now it will be all stretched and crap |
| 23:54.59 | mikeX | lol @britney |
| 23:55.03 | toukitsune | Britney Spears will spawn? whats that supose to mean? |
| 23:55.09 | abrotman | toukitsune: with child |
| 23:55.11 | helix | toukitsune: babies EVERYWHERE |
| 23:55.11 | thingfish | if the poor thing's lucky it'll have half a cerebrum. |
| 23:55.15 | BadMan | now I can only hope so mate with jessica simnpson(aka summer daisy duke) oh yeah |
| 23:55.15 | cafuego | toukitsune: means she's no longer a virgin |
| 23:55.16 | DiegoElias | thanks guys.... |
| 23:55.19 | drasko | index.php can not be opened, nor can any other php file in my Firefox... |
| 23:55.22 | DiegoElias | i'll try it now! |
| 23:55.25 | citral | dli: no problem |
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| 23:55.28 | toukitsune | ? |
| 23:55.43 | toukitsune | who the hell is Britney Spears? |
| 23:55.44 | abrotman | drasko: did you install libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
| 23:55.46 | thingfish | she's so desperate to get presstime anyway, she's history really. |
| 23:55.48 | abrotman | toukitsune: the singer? |
| 23:55.58 | asuffield | helix: that's the verbal gerbils |
| 23:55.58 | abrotman | what for damn rock do you call home? |
| 23:56.12 | toukitsune | and why would anyone care if she is a vergin |
| 23:56.12 | blackout | are there any good utilities for automatically switching to various wireless networks automatically? |
| 23:56.13 | helix | asuffield: spouting lyrical miracles? |
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| 23:56.27 | toukitsune | um ok.... a singer.... |
| 23:56.31 | asuffield | helix: I think they generally just bury people in gerbils |
| 23:56.35 | shadow98 | how do i set vsftp so there is no data timeout...im in confi and i see data connection time out |
| 23:56.38 | thingfish | toukitsune: barely that. |
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| 23:56.49 | abrotman | toukitsune: use google |
| 23:56.51 | citral | shadow98: man vsftpd.conf |
| 23:56.58 | toukitsune | google doesn't like my connection |
| 23:57.04 | toukitsune | google always times out |
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| 23:57.05 | travisat | how do people fit inside of gerbils? |
| 23:57.06 | asuffield | "Oh no! Foolish Jed, you have let out the verbal gerbils" <...> "help!" |
| 23:57.16 | abrotman | toukitsune: use yahoo |
| 23:57.20 | helix | toukitsune: stop trolling |
| 23:57.21 | shadow98 | man vsftpd.conf |
| 23:57.29 | toukitsune | trolling? |
| 23:57.29 | abrotman | helix: no . he's always that stupid |
| 23:57.32 | citral | shadow98: in a shell... |
| 23:57.37 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:57.40 | thingfish | he's from Montana. I'm not sure they have TV there. |
| 23:57.44 | abrotman | !tell toukitsune about troll |
| 23:57.44 | drasko | abrotman, I am using now apache 1.33 and it forks, except fom php... |
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| 23:57.46 | shadow98 | wrong keyboard |
| 23:57.58 | toukitsune | I only asked why anyone would care about Britney Spears |
| 23:57.58 | abrotman | drasko: you have the libapache-mod-php4 installed right? |
| 23:58.07 | toukitsune | something you cannot google for or yahoo for anyway |
| 23:58.12 | peterS | thingfish: eh? are you trolling now? |
| 23:58.37 | thingfish | peterS: oh I sure hope not, am I? God I suck. |
| 23:58.41 | toukitsune | I am not a he!! |
| 23:58.54 | peterS | thingfish: implying that people in montana don't have TV ... that's trolling |
| 23:59.02 | drasko | abrotman, nope... I am on it! |
| 23:59.10 | toukitsune | and I do have TV I just don't watch it |
| 23:59.15 | abrotman | get off it . it's just a package .. they go flat |
| 23:59.16 | toukitsune | too busy on the computer |
| 23:59.29 | thingfish | peterS: well I suppose that was not very nice of me, was it. My apologies to all Montana-ans. |
| 23:59.31 | travisat | its called mutlitasking |
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| 23:59.41 | Guerin | actually, if you do a google image search on britney spears, you'll see just why anyone cares about her |
| 23:59.41 | travisat | watching tv and using computer at the same time |
| 23:59.44 | citral | how would be having TV a sign of <not being tard>? |
