| 00:00.19 | *** part/#debian Kraig (~sebas@216.194.173.2) |
| 00:00.20 | asuffield | Guerin: I get porn |
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| 00:00.24 | toukitsune | image search wont help me. im a lynx user cause I am on stupid dialup at 28.8 as it is |
| 00:00.39 | Guerin | asuffield: is britney spears not essentially a porn star these days? |
| 00:00.40 | peterS | citral: I think the point was that not having a TV explains why you wouldn't know about popular culture - like why anyone cares about britney spears |
| 00:00.42 | travisat | so use links2 |
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| 00:00.55 | asuffield | Guerin: I don't know. why would I even care? |
| 00:01.00 | shadow98 | citral i don't see anything about setting it to never time out it tells what defaults are |
| 00:01.07 | Guerin | asuffield: you make a convincing argument. |
| 00:01.16 | peterS | travisat: that isn't a helpful answer. the problem isn't the tool, the problem is the bandwidth |
| 00:01.16 | toukitsune | if I used links2 I would use text only |
| 00:01.20 | citral | peterS: arf. newspapers are fine. |
| 00:01.39 | nydust | how can i install apache 1.3 under sarge |
| 00:01.48 | peterS | nydust: aptitude install apache |
| 00:01.50 | Guerin | !tell nydust about pkgmgmt |
| 00:02.00 | travisat | 28.8 is so 1990's |
| 00:02.28 | toukitsune | 28.8 is so bad phone lines here |
| 00:02.39 | toukitsune | and no broadband |
| 00:02.41 | drasko | abrotman, everything's ok now. Thanks a lot! |
| 00:02.55 | travisat | satellite? |
| 00:03.02 | abrotman | drasko: okeedokee |
| 00:03.04 | toukitsune | too expensive |
| 00:03.11 | nydust | peterS, it looks like i have apache 1.3 and apache 2 installed |
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| 00:03.13 | ethics | well that was when modems looked their best...the big hair the leather feet ...the my V32 FAST is better than your V34....those where the days |
| 00:03.16 | thingfish | sounds MAJOR rural. |
| 00:03.19 | peterS | nydust: sounds awfully useful |
| 00:03.29 | helix | I think the prerm in apache 1.3 is broken |
| 00:03.32 | toukitsune | and plus sat dishes are againced the comunity rules here |
| 00:03.39 | thingfish | wow |
| 00:03.40 | shadow98 | citral: i don't see anything about setting it to never time out it tells what defaults are |
| 00:03.48 | peterS | helix: in sarge? how so? |
| 00:03.53 | helix | in unstable maybe |
| 00:03.53 | nydust | helix, i thinks so to cause i get an error in line 4 |
| 00:03.54 | FieldySnuts | satellite sucks anyway, the upstream is often dial up. kinda defeats the whole point. |
| 00:03.54 | travisat | toukitsune: modern sat dishes are only about 2 ft wide |
| 00:03.59 | helix | it fails to purge |
| 00:04.08 | helix | I didn't check the version in sarge |
| 00:04.09 | toukitsune | still dishes are againced the community rules |
| 00:04.12 | thingfish | toukitsune: western or eastern Montana? |
| 00:04.14 | asuffield | failure to purge is a sin |
| 00:04.16 | BadMan | lol, glad i dont live where ppl can tell me what i can have and cant have |
| 00:04.23 | toukitsune | western |
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| 00:04.36 | thingfish | oh gosh, I bet it's beautiful. |
| 00:04.37 | FieldySnuts | screwed then |
| 00:04.38 | citral | shadow98: TV sucks, point. |
| 00:04.43 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: direcpc seems to have a full sat these days. about 100 USD a month says a friend of mine who uses such a connection |
| 00:04.51 | shingouz | 5KB up tho.... |
| 00:05.03 | asuffield | helix: error message? |
| 00:05.03 | BadMan | they'd probly bitch about all the mud my truck would dripp in the main road as I come in froma night of "country" cruising |
| 00:05.05 | toukitsune | yah its beautiful but its eather beauty or broadband |
| 00:05.11 | asuffield | I bet it's Manoj again |
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| 00:05.15 | FieldySnuts | right, like i said, dial up upstream |
| 00:05.19 | helix | asuffield: don't remember the exact message, I witnessed it a few days ago |
| 00:05.21 | ethics | FieldySnuts: depends it's designed for people to GET information not give Informationn......slow upstream means latency on resolves etc but its better to download 200Mb of Microcrap patched on statelite thatn it is on say 28.8 |
| 00:05.24 | pipeline | toukitsune: Satellite dishes are one of the few things that you have a chance with as far as homeowner's agreements. |
| 00:05.37 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: not really, he does nto even have a phone there. not even the cabling |
| 00:05.42 | pipeline | toukitsune: Most provisions are hard to break -- those 24" satellite dishes, well, you might have a case there |
| 00:05.44 | martha | Why do fonts look smeared after ps2pdf or ps2ps (ps distiller) ? |
| 00:05.45 | helix | it was the typical 'can't purge configuration files' type thing though |
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| 00:06.02 | asuffield | helix: sounds like Manoj. and you're useless, file a bug next time |
| 00:06.04 | ethics | martha.....antiailiasing?... |
| 00:06.04 | davem | How do I enable soft mixing with alsa? |
| 00:06.11 | helix | I was busy |
| 00:06.18 | peterS | asuffield: the bts is haaarrrrrd |
| 00:06.27 | caphuso | davem: google for "alsa dmix" |
| 00:06.27 | ethics | martha or you meen like really screwed up? |
| 00:06.30 | peterS | helix: I see nothing wrong with the apache prerm - just eyeballing it. which version? |
| 00:06.31 | thingfish | cool, chameleons on Nature |
| 00:06.39 | asuffield | peterS: it'll be the part which says 'ucf' |
| 00:06.41 | pipeline | davem: google for "alsa dmix" and copy and paste something into /etc/asound.conf and it should "just work" |
| 00:06.42 | toukitsune | pipeline: in the agreement here that there is to be NO sat dishes at all |
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| 00:06.50 | toukitsune | I cannot even use my qfax dish |
| 00:06.51 | citral | I have a website in free.fr. but I live in germany. and they won't accept stranger IPs, even if it's illegal to act so. Someone know how I could spoof them to update my website? |
| 00:06.53 | davem | thanks |
| 00:06.57 | shadow98 | how do i set vsftp so there is no data timeout...im in confi and i see data connection time out |
| 00:06.59 | peterS | asuffield: the prerm I see here makes no mention of ucf. that's why I asked her for the version |
| 00:07.08 | martha | ethics: very smeared by readable |
| 00:07.09 | Guerin | citral: what? |
| 00:07.11 | asuffield | peterS: postrm, pay no attention to her |
| 00:07.24 | CyberShadow | citral: use a french proxy server |
| 00:07.39 | peterS | asuffield: she may be or do a lot of things but I suspect she knows the difference between a prerm and a postrm |
| 00:07.53 | helix | well, I didn't look into it at all |
| 00:07.56 | citral | CyberShadow: oh yeah, why didn't I think about it :P |
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| 00:08.04 | Guerin | shadow98: man vsftpd.conf |
| 00:08.19 | shadow98 | Guerin: i did |
| 00:08.23 | helix | I didn't know manoj worked on apache..? |
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| 00:08.34 | Guerin | shadow98: if it's not documented there, ask on the mailing list |
| 00:08.41 | peterS | helix: he doesn't, he works on ucf, and asuffield assumes ucf is causing apache postrm to fail |
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| 00:08.46 | helix | ah ok |
| 00:08.53 | asuffield | since I know what Manoj is like |
| 00:08.57 | ethics | martha: not too sure what would cause that but is it only 1 particular font or a family or just any font.... |
| 00:09.00 | helix | anyway, I am always breaking software and it usually has nothing to do with the software being broken |
| 00:09.04 | nSe | i did "apt-get remove --purge packagename" and "apt-get install package" but the configuration files and options i set in the older package still there! there's something wrong? |
| 00:09.04 | toukitsune | oh question: I was told you can mount an iso file. would it be "mount -t iso9660 /dir/to/iso.iso /mnt"? |
| 00:09.05 | sparr_ | what does a valid 'source' URI look like for sources.list? |
| 00:09.07 | peterS | and since when were *you* one to avoid blaming a scapegoat for something? (: |
| 00:09.24 | helix | peterS: me? |
| 00:09.27 | peterS | you |
| 00:09.33 | helix | well, I usually blame myself |
| 00:09.34 | pipeline | sparr_: starts with deb-src instead of deb |
| 00:09.35 | Guerin | toukitsune: man mount |
| 00:09.42 | citral | shadow98: you suck... I told you to man vsftpd.conf... it's there. do it, then type "/timeout" |
| 00:09.46 | sparr_ | is there any good software-based way to underclock my cpu in linux? |
| 00:09.46 | pipeline | toukitsune: -o loop |
| 00:09.49 | sparr_ | pipeline: thanks |
| 00:09.57 | helix | I do pretend to blame others though :) |
| 00:10.05 | shadow98 | citral: that is exactly what i did except i typed /time |
| 00:10.08 | pipeline | sparr_: No, that's handled by the hardware. If it's a notebook, you might be able to use cpufreqd or apm |
| 00:10.09 | peterS | helix: you should talk with my friend anissa. her pronunciation for "I'm sorry" is indistinguishable from "your fault" |
| 00:10.15 | helix | haha |
| 00:10.22 | asuffield | sparr_: depends whether the processor supports scaling in any way |
| 00:10.34 | helix | peterS: well, I used to think software was just totally fucked; but then _ALL_ software was fucked, so I've finally accepted responsibility |
| 00:10.40 | Guerin | sparr_: might be able to soup it down in bios |
| 00:10.41 | peterS | heh |
| 00:10.44 | asuffield | oh argh no, a breaker |
| 00:10.47 | sparr_ | pipeline: said hardware supports software clocking... in windows at least |
| 00:10.50 | asuffield | helix: stay away from my boxes, you vandal |
| 00:11.05 | shadow98 | citral: i see nothing about setting data time to unlimited |
| 00:11.08 | pipeline | sparr_: Yeah, you're not going to get away with that under linux unless the motherboard manufacturer offers something |
| 00:11.12 | peterS | is she visiting you in her europe tour, then? |
| 00:11.13 | helix | asuffield: ok, but you should let me test any software you write |
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| 00:11.33 | asuffield | peterS: I hope not, I just finished building some of those |
| 00:11.34 | ethics | helix: if you were running windows you were right blame everything but yourself... |
| 00:11.53 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 00:12.09 | peterS | ethics: that's the thing about windows. it's bad enough that people feel safe blaming it even when it *is* user error |
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| 00:12.22 | citral | shadow98: open your eyes... data_connection_timeout isn't whhat you want? |
| 00:12.26 | nydust | how can i see witch apache are running? |
| 00:12.26 | FieldySnuts | leading to "i can use a computer" |
| 00:12.31 | fred | hi folks... one simple newbie question about installing Debian (Woody) |
| 00:12.33 | FieldySnuts | when all they can really do is use windows |
| 00:12.40 | FieldySnuts | though computer and windows are the same to most of them sigh |
| 00:12.44 | citral | shadow98: just set it to 0, it will be unlimited |
| 00:12.51 | peterS | FieldySnuts: right. if they could use a mac they'd say so! |
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| 00:13.07 | peterS | yay you |
| 00:13.11 | sparr_ | my machine has just recently started to act unstable. i think this is due to CPU overheating. for the first time in recent memory my cpu heat sink is too hot to touch |
| 00:13.26 | fred | There are 7 .iso images... can I install the base system with just the first .iso? or Do I need to have all seven of them? |
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| 00:13.36 | shadow98 | citral: what timeout setting do i want to change then so when i user is transfering data it doesn't kick them off after a certain amount of time |
| 00:13.45 | peterS | fred: just the first. but see also www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for a newer version |
| 00:13.47 | sparr_ | fred: just the first one |
| 00:13.52 | FieldySnuts | take the heat sink off, remove the thermal paste or pad, clean it with a pad with rubbing alchohol, clean it more, clean it some more. put as thin as possible a layer of arctic silver on the die of the cpu, put everything back on |
| 00:13.52 | ethics | peterS: well if they went to the trouble to write an error message like....:you did something wrong....rather than an error has occured at XXXX:XXXX in NTkernel.....it's like saying ive screwed up at this biut here please try again and ill try to get it right next time |
| 00:13.59 | dh | 2 fred, jist first |
| 00:13.59 | citral | shadow98: I already answered. |
| 00:14.06 | fred | ok! thank you! |
| 00:14.16 | FieldySnuts | after a few years of normal use, that stuff dries out and cracks, and begins to hold heat instead of transfer it |
| 00:14.23 | asuffield | put a fucking fan on it |
| 00:14.28 | fred | I'm downloading the first one with jigdo right now. |
| 00:14.29 | FieldySnuts | he's not running one? |
| 00:14.32 | peterS | ethics: the nature of these error messages is that the programmer can't anticipate what the root cause will have been |
| 00:14.35 | shadow98 | citral : you said data_connection_timeout is not what i want |
| 00:15.30 | citral | shadow98: and again, the answer is in man vsftpd.conf. It may be idle_session_timeout, you know better than me what you're looking for. sorry for being rude, but really you need to READ it. |
| 00:16.35 | peterS | helix: looking at the apache postrm, it may not be broken but it's pretty FITH. whoever wrote some of this needs some serious remedial instruction in shell scripting |
| 00:17.07 | helix | heh |
| 00:17.15 | helix | I wonder who wrote it |
| 00:17.16 | ethics | peterS: agreed but showing memory addresses and system file names as where the problem occured should be in a log and aa simple message for the user..:something has gone wrong please attempt the task again after a reboot and if problems persist see you doctor.. |
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| 00:17.33 | asuffield | helix: probably netgod |
| 00:17.36 | helix | heh |
| 00:18.00 | chance2105 | So I installed CUPS. I have a /dev/lp0. CUPS does not give me the option of selecting that port. Why? |
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| 00:18.11 | peterS | -if [ "`md5sum /etc/apache/$i | awk '{print $1}'`" = "`md5sum /usr/share/apache/default-configs/apache/$i | awk '{print $1}'`" ]; then |
| 00:18.14 | peterS | +if cmp /etc/apache/$i /usr/share/apache/default-configs/apache/$i &>/dev/null; then |
| 00:18.24 | peterS | for starters |
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| 00:18.50 | helix | yum |
| 00:19.19 | Griz | Does anyone have any idea why, after a power loss, that upon rebooting, my machine stops at: Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon... |
| 00:19.25 | chance2105 | I can select USB, or IPP or Sambe-connected printer, but no local lp |
| 00:19.39 | peterS | Griz: possible problem setting up your network? that could be a DNS error |
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| 00:19.55 | maher | chance2105: do you have lp loaded |
| 00:20.09 | peterS | maher: not only 'lp' but 'parport_pc', you mean? |
| 00:20.23 | chance2105 | maher: yup. |
| 00:20.26 | Griz | peterS<- it's all internal. It's been running this way, for almost two years. But, what DNS issue do you think it might be? and how can I check it? |
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| 00:21.08 | chance2105 | Module Size Used by Not tainted |
| 00:21.11 | peterS | Griz: hard to do too much when the machine won't come up. but try booting in single-user mode and then 'cat /etc/exports' and try to look up any names ('ping' is fine for lookups) that appear in there |
| 00:21.25 | sparr_ | what can i run to load my cpu heavily for stress testing? something i can apt-get please? |
| 00:21.30 | davem | How could I get all of the MX700 mouse buttons working? |
| 00:21.36 | chance2105 | lp 8728 0 |
| 00:22.11 | peterS | sparr_: from contrib, seti@home? |
| 00:22.21 | peterS | sparr_: package name 'setiathome' |
| 00:22.36 | Griz | peterS<- Oh, that's not a problem. I just disabled the S20nfs-kernel-server from /etc/rc2.d and am now running it, by hand. I can ping all the machines on the network, w/o issue. |
| 00:22.37 | peterS | sparr_: what I use for that sort of thing is looping linux kernel compiling |
| 00:22.48 | maher | chance2105: and parport parport_pc as peterS said |
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| 00:23.33 | peterS | Griz: oh ok. I guess nfs-kernel-server would have problems if portmap weren't running. use 'rpcinfo -p' to check *that* |
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| 00:23.54 | croeph1 | i wi wish that the cp command had some kind of progress indecator for large files... |
| 00:23.58 | peterS | Griz: rpcinfo -p queries the portmapper so if it returns a few lines of info, portmap is running fine |
| 00:24.05 | helix | peterS: hrm, it purges fine on my machine without a2 (haven't tested with a2 installed) |
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| 00:24.26 | peterS | croeph1: use pv. pv < source > destination |
| 00:24.36 | pingouin_ | peterS: what do you mean «looping kernel compiling» ? and how check the result ? |
| 00:24.43 | asuffield | helix: you almost certainly have to putz with the ucf files first |
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| 00:24.58 | helix | I don't even know what ucf is |
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| 00:25.03 | helix | well, it's a university here |
| 00:25.05 | helix | but other than that |
| 00:25.10 | Griz | peterS<- Then portmap is running. :--( |
| 00:25.11 | peterS | helix: ucf manages config files |
| 00:25.16 | abrotman | helix: not much of one :) |
| 00:25.17 | asuffield | universal choke-hold of frustration |
| 00:25.25 | peterS | helix: asuffield means you have to manually edit config files and then see what ucf makes of it all |
| 00:25.29 | Cyanophytes | is there any way to find out if nut is able to communicate with my UPS |
| 00:25.33 | helix | interesting |
| 00:25.44 | asuffield | or delete them or bugger them in some way, I don't know how |
| 00:25.48 | abrotman | pee on it while it's plugged in? |
| 00:25.53 | croeph1 | peterS: i dont have the pv command... |
| 00:25.57 | asuffield | but it would be characteristically Manoj for the pesky thing to fail to purge |
| 00:26.00 | peterS | !installit |
| 00:26.00 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 00:26.02 | helix | well, whenever I saw the massive failure, I hadn't done much editing of 1.3 files |
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| 00:26.55 | Cyanophytes | I have nut installed just not sure how to see if it is communicating with my UPS |
| 00:27.06 | abrotman | pull the ocrd out of your UPS :) |
| 00:27.16 | dli | can I rm a directory of a <pid> in /proc , any operation inside it hangs |
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| 00:27.40 | slugbug | Anyone know a good way to remove every other character of a file? |
| 00:27.42 | peterS | croeph1: what I mean is, I'd compile a kernel tree repeatedly, in a loop, from a shell script. the fact that it completes at all is a pretty good indicator that the CPU is running correctly - there's a lot of things that could go wrong |
| 00:27.46 | Cyanophytes | abrotman: to see if my pc shuts down? |
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| 00:28.22 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: i guess ... |
| 00:28.36 | abrotman | slugbug: sed should be able to do it |
| 00:28.49 | slugbug | yeah, but I don't know how to use sed to do that |
| 00:28.55 | nSe | i did "apt-get remove --purge amule" but the amule folders still in my home folder. is there any way with apt-get to remove EVERYTHING that a installed package created? |
| 00:28.58 | slugbug | anyone, um, got an example? |
| 00:29.00 | abrotman | !sed |
| 00:29.00 | dpkg | Sed is a stream editor. A stream editor is used to perform basic text transformations on an input stream (a file or input from a pipeline). Sed is located at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/sed/ or a pain in the ass, or see http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html and http://queen.rett.polimi.it/~paolob/seders/ for common usages and examples |
| 00:29.16 | Cyanophytes | abrotman: does nut need any other configuring after the install |
| 00:29.18 | Xenguy | slugbug: is it just 1 file? |
| 00:29.24 | peterS | nSe: debian packages never touch your home directory. they shouldn't! you might be sharing it with some other system |
| 00:29.25 | slugbug | Xenguy: yes |
| 00:29.43 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: i don't even know what nut is :) |
| 00:29.43 | peterS | nSe: I mean, programs from packages might add files to your home directory. but installing or removing a package won't. |
| 00:29.54 | Xenguy | slugbug: I'm just wondering if a recorded macro might do the trick then? |
| 00:30.07 | slugbug | Don't know. |
| 00:30.25 | slugbug | I just want to remove every odd character (first, third, fifth and so on) |
| 00:30.28 | Cyanophytes | abrotman: ok sorry |
| 00:30.44 | dli | how to rm a ghost pid in /proc ? |
| 00:30.53 | Xenguy | slugbug: and it's not the same character of course? |
| 00:30.55 | peterS | dli: you don't |
| 00:31.06 | slugbug | Xenguy: what? |
| 00:31.15 | peterS | dli: zombie processes can't be killed by fair means. you can only kill their parent, at which time they'll disappear automatically |
| 00:31.16 | dli | peterS: it causes problem in everything, from start-stop-daemon to fuser |
| 00:31.16 | WW | slugbug: perl -i -p -e 's/(.)./$1/g' <filename> |
| 00:31.24 | nSe | peterS: i didn't created any .aMule directory in my home directory. but there's one there! maybe some config amule wizar created it, that's a possible answer to my problem? |
| 00:31.24 | Xenguy | slugbug: each odd character is different I assume |
| 00:31.26 | slugbug | WW: thanks |
| 00:31.37 | peterS | nSe: probably you created it by running some program |
| 00:31.52 | dli | peterS: everything hangs because of this pid, I debugged start-stop-daemon |
| 00:32.04 | Griz | What is the best method of having apt-get download and reinstall a package? (nfs-kernel-server) |
| 00:32.04 | maher | nSe: programs leave stuff in home - just delete it |
| 00:32.11 | peterS | dli: what is the pid and why is it causing hangs? can you look in that dir manually? |
| 00:32.14 | WW | slugbug: Wait... that might do every odd character of each line. Test it first. |
| 00:32.27 | slugbug | WW: it removed every odd character, yeah |
| 00:32.32 | slugbug | wait, no |
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| 00:32.42 | slugbug | it kept every odd character, removing every even one |
| 00:32.42 | Frater_Sx | hi everyone |
| 00:32.51 | abrotman | slugbug: you didn't specify even or odd! |
| 00:32.55 | slugbug | ah |
| 00:33.06 | Xenguy | slugbug: odd ;-) |
| 00:33.12 | WW | slugbug: change (.). to .(.) |
| 00:33.13 | dli | peterS: it's some remote openMosix process, lost connection |
| 00:33.14 | nSe | maher: that's what i'll do. but i thought i had FULL control to everything that's created in my system just with the apt-get tool. |
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| 00:33.43 | mike`_ | hey, i can't accept files from gaim or download files from direct connect. |
| 00:33.43 | peterS | dli: oh, so, an openmosix bug causes it to hang everybody rather than eventually timing out and going away |
| 00:33.47 | slugbug | that worked, thanks |
| 00:33.50 | dli | peterS: 0 1001 17365 1 18 -10 233068 96888 tcp_da S< ? 4334:03 [s4l0.08] |
| 00:33.53 | mike`_ | how can i change my settings to change that? |
| 00:33.55 | Frater_Sx | my GPRS connection hangs when connected to the internet if I download something via HTTP but via IRC DCC it works fine. when it hangs I must turn off and on the phone otherwise it can't connect anymore. any hint? |
| 00:34.04 | peterS | dli: anyway, you can't mess with process tables from userspace. maybe mosix has a tool for management of remote connections |
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| 00:34.09 | dli | peterS: looks like impossible already after 1 week |
| 00:34.13 | Griz | What is the best method of having apt-get download and reinstall a package? (nfs-kernel-server) |
| 00:34.22 | scarynetworkguy | Frater_Sx: Get a better phone? |
| 00:34.29 | peterS | dli: if the mosix tools don't include a way to deal with it, your only real option is to reboot |
| 00:34.31 | Frater_Sx | scarynetworkguy, very funny |
| 00:34.48 | abrotman | Frater_Sx: what kind of debian question is that? |
| 00:34.58 | Frater_Sx | I use debian |
| 00:34.59 | WW | slugbug: Just be aware that it 'resets' the even/odd parity on each line. |
| 00:35.04 | peterS | dli: or, as albert cahalan said, "...but I don't want to risk a test right now. I'd most likely end up with a process that can only be killed via "emacs /proc/kcore"." |
| 00:35.05 | slugbug | Yeah. |
| 00:35.14 | dli | peterS: because this box was rooted, so I didn't realize it's openmosix, util I debugged start-stop-daemon to see how it hangs |
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| 00:35.25 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: So clearly Debian is turning the phone off, by magic. |
| 00:35.36 | Frater_Sx | with MS win and other linux releases the phone works perfectly |
| 00:35.55 | Xenguy | !lart Frater_Sx |
| 00:36.00 | peterS | dli: if the box has been rooted, the first thing you want to do in *any* case is reboot from trusted media (like say a knoppix CD) and poke around from there |
| 00:36.11 | Frater_Sx | today many funny guys out there |
| 00:36.45 | dli | peterS: one week after my clean up, looks fine to me |
| 00:36.55 | abrotman | Frater_Sx: can you even give us a hint of something to lok at .. or would oyu like us to take a blind guess? |
| 00:37.03 | abrotman | Frater_Sx: have you tried other kernels etc |
| 00:37.07 | Frater_Sx | I have no clue whatsoever |
| 00:37.10 | peterS | dli: how can you have a cleaned-up system that you don't realise is running openmosix? |
| 00:37.14 | Frater_Sx | I have tried with slackware and it works without problems |
| 00:37.19 | dli | peterS: this start-stop-daemon was the only suspicious point, now, it's clearly an om problem |
| 00:37.22 | toukitsune | Anyone deal in programming? I have ASM files that I need to compile for a friend into *.exe file. anyone know what I need to do this? |
| 00:37.42 | Frater_Sx | toukitsune, to make a .exe you need windows |
| 00:37.46 | peterS | toukitsune: why would an executable need to be named *.exe? |
| 00:37.53 | abrotman | that's not true |
| 00:37.56 | pipe | toukitsune: You need a cygwin cross-compile toolchain |
| 00:37.56 | dli | peterS, I knew it's om, but I didn't realize dead process causes all hang |
| 00:37.56 | abrotman | mv blah blah.exe |
| 00:37.59 | pipe | toukitsune: It's not exactly easy |
| 00:38.02 | abrotman | i made a .exe!! |
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| 00:38.15 | toukitsune | thanks pipe |
| 00:38.24 | pipe | toukitsune: It would probably be easier to just install windows and compile it there than to set up a cross-compilation environment |
| 00:38.29 | abrotman | toukitsune: i think there is a nasm or asm channel |
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| 00:39.06 | abrotman | !asm |
| 00:39.07 | dpkg | i heard asm is a sweet system-level programming language, or linuxasm.org, or <-- LinuxAssembly.org instead |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | i wonder if that's the same |
| 00:39.19 | abrotman | !nasm |
| 00:39.20 | dpkg | methinks nasm is Netwide Assembler, a free assembler. Homepage: http://www.web-sites.co.uk/nasm |
| 00:39.28 | toukitsune | I would set up windows except that I vowed never to use windows again |
| 00:39.42 | Xenguy | !beer toukitsune |
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| 00:39.56 | abrotman | toukitsune: there is a #asm |
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| 00:40.05 | toukitsune | thanks abortman |
| 00:40.15 | Frater_Sx | "abortman" %D |
| 00:40.21 | abrotman | toukitsune: or #assembler ? |
| 00:40.23 | benjamindees | ugh, there aren't enough up to date iso mirrors; they should be done away with :( |
| 00:40.30 | dalbury | hello I have a quick question |
| 00:40.35 | abrotman | Frater_Sx: happens so often . i highlight on it |
| 00:41.03 | dalbury | I want to close my gui x desktop and just have a command line so I can do a few commands can someone tell me how please? |
| 00:41.17 | Guerin | !info xfwm4 |
| 00:41.18 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 00:41.18 | pipe | dalbury: ctrl+alt+f1, usually |
| 00:41.19 | Xenguy | dalbury: Ctrl-Alt-F2 |
| 00:41.23 | dpkg | xfwm4: (window manager of the XFce project), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 511 kB, Installed size: 1620 kB |
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| 00:41.35 | Guerin | wow, xfce4.2 still not in sid |
| 00:41.44 | dalbury | the proram I run still realizes I have an X session running |
| 00:41.48 | pipe | Guerin: I don't think that's coming until sarge is released |
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| 00:41.55 | abrotman | Guerin: file a bug!! |
| 00:41.56 | Guerin | pipe: that makes some sense |
| 00:41.59 | Frater_Sx | and to go back you need ctrl-alt-F7 |
| 00:42.07 | Griz | What is the best method of having apt-get download and reinstall a package? (nfs-kernel-server) |
| 00:42.10 | abrotman | Guerin: i did notice the new queue emtpied out |
| 00:42.10 | Guerin | pipe: are you aka pipeline? |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | Griz: man apt-get |
| 00:42.22 | mike`_ | how can i accept files from gaim and dcgui-qt? it seems that debian isn't allowing them to. |
| 00:42.30 | pipe | Guerin: I am pipeline outside, smoking a pipe |
| 00:42.35 | GunZ | hey guys does debian use udev by default, or is it using devfs instead? |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | it uses what you tell it to |
| 00:42.45 | Guerin | mike`_: what? |
| 00:42.50 | Guerin | GunZ: no |
| 00:42.57 | Xenguy | Griz: hrm, I thought there was a 'reinstall' option; checked the man page? |
| 00:43.01 | GunZ | ok |
| 00:43.06 | pipe | GunZ: Sarge with a 2.6 kernel uses udev by default, but devfs is available (append devfs=mount to the kernel arguments on a 2.6 kernel) |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | Xenguy: man apt-get :) |
| 00:43.17 | mike`_ | i can't accept files sent over gaim or dcgui-qt. i don't know why |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | firewall? |
| 00:43.23 | Griz | Xenguy<- there is, for partitially installed packages. |
| 00:43.26 | GunZ | pipe: ahh ok thx |
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| 00:43.39 | abrotman | gunz griz .. confusing |
| 00:43.39 | mike`_ | i didn't install a firewall. |
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| 00:43.51 | mike`_ | i just installed debian base system. |
| 00:43.52 | Griz | abrotman<- and I have the man page open, along with dpkg and three others. I don't ask if I can find it on my own. |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | Griz: apt-get --reinstall install |
| 00:44.10 | abrotman | or apt-get -f install |
| 00:44.13 | abrotman | err |
| 00:44.14 | abrotman | wait |
| 00:44.14 | dalbury | I tried just Ctrl-Alt-F1 and the program I am running still realizes I am running an X server is there a way I can stop this x server? |
| 00:44.20 | abrotman | apt-get -f install if it's partiually installed |
| 00:44.23 | Xenguy | Griz: so '--reinstall' doesn't work in your case? |
| 00:44.29 | Griz | abrotman<- Thank you. |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | dalbury: nvidia? |
| 00:44.41 | dalbury | bingo |
| 00:44.43 | Guerin | Griz: you can use apt-get remove --purge --reinstall foo |
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| 00:44.48 | abrotman | !tell dalbury about nvidia one liner |
| 00:44.55 | Guerin | which will clean out all the config,too |
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| 00:45.30 | Griz | Guerin<- I thought of purging/reinstalling, but I remembered that there was a combination of switches that would do the same thing, w/o removing my .conf files. |
| 00:45.33 | StupidMop | How do i change the welcome/bootup graphic ? |
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| 00:46.06 | dalbury | abrotman there is a problem wit the nvidia installer |
| 00:46.08 | Guerin | Griz: yeah, just drop --purge from my line |
| 00:46.11 | dalbury | ? |
| 00:46.17 | Guerin | or do what abrotman told you |
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| 00:46.26 | abrotman | dalbury: we know .. it sucks |
| 00:46.29 | Guerin | dalbury: yes |
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| 00:46.50 | dalbury | so what would be a better way to get the driver for my card installed? |
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| 00:46.55 | Griz | Guerin<- I'm just trying what I know to do with this bla$ted nfs-kernel-server. After the power outage, it refuses to start. :--( |
| 00:46.59 | vortek | Any one know why bitchx is no longer in testing ? |
| 00:47.15 | abrotman | vortek: it's vulnerable |
| 00:47.22 | Guerin | !why is bitchx not in testing |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | and sucks :) |
| 00:47.22 | dpkg | bitchx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bitchx |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 00:47.29 | dpkg | well, testing security issues is http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 00:47.43 | abrotman | they don't even list bitchx .. oh wel |
| 00:47.49 | vortek | Woah local or remote? Ahh I'll just read it |
| 00:47.53 | vortek | ircii is ugly :) |
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| 00:48.06 | abrotman | irssi |
| 00:48.12 | dalbury | so what would be a better way to get the driver for my geforce card installed? |
| 00:48.21 | abrotman | vortek: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296535 |
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| 00:48.27 | abrotman | vortek: it's remote i think |
| 00:48.34 | vortek | abrotman: it more sexsie ? |
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| 00:48.51 | Guerin | !start an irc client war |
| 00:48.51 | dpkg | irssi fscking rules |
| 00:49.00 | Guerin | goddamn right, dpkg |
| 00:49.01 | dalbury | irssi is the bomb |
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| 00:49.06 | vortek | cause this ircII is justp plain ugly |
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| 00:49.13 | abrotman | vortek: irssi |
| 00:49.16 | Henning | My /dev/tty gets permissions 660 on boot, as far as I can see udev rules should set it to 666, anyone got ideas I should check? I'm running Debian Sarge. |
| 00:49.22 | miernik | how can I refresh the mailboxes list in the sidebar? |
| 00:49.27 | dalbury | vortek try x-chat |
| 00:49.33 | miernik | tfu, wrong channel |
| 00:49.38 | vortek | abrotman: ill get that But i'm used to my bitchx function keys hehe |
| 00:49.51 | dalbury | vortek try x-chat |
| 00:49.53 | vortek | yeah I gots to set up x first I finaly just got this crapy wg311v2 wireless working |
| 00:49.54 | Guerin | vortek: you can probably download a bx-alike config for irssi |
| 00:49.58 | abrotman | vortek: i think there is a script to (and god knows why you'd want to) emulate bitchx |
| 00:49.59 | vortek | cool |
| 00:50.00 | GunZ | do i need any other links other than the deb, and deb-src ones in my sources.list file? |
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| 00:50.08 | Guerin | it's infinitely scriptable |
| 00:50.09 | Guerin | well |
| 00:50.16 | Guerin | as infinite as perl is, anyway |
| 00:50.31 | Guerin | GunZ: man sources.list |
| 00:50.37 | GunZ | ok thx |
| 00:50.38 | abrotman | Guerin: i expect some monk to someday rewrite X in perl :) |
| 00:50.51 | peterS | abrotman: hehe |
| 00:50.53 | grelli | is anyone here familiar with the 3w-xxxx module/kernel 2.6 issue? |
| 00:51.00 | zignig | abrotman: or rewrite linux in emacs ? |
| 00:51.03 | StupidMop | How do i change the welcome/bootup graphic ? |
| 00:51.09 | Guerin | abrotman: nooo |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 00:51.16 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 00:51.19 | dalbury | zignig linux runs on emacs now |
| 00:51.20 | vortek | hrm And the current build directly from bitchx source is vulnerable too I take it |
| 00:51.22 | grelli | I've rebuilt the initrd, but the machine still panics on boot |
| 00:51.22 | abrotman | StupidMop: in what? |
| 00:51.36 | peterS | zignig: "I see your vmlinux.scm and raise to /etc/mail/vmlinux.cf" - Al Viro, in response to this sort of suggestion |
| 00:51.44 | abrotman | vortek: dunno .. use irssi . your life will get better .. |
| 00:51.47 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:51.51 | helix | I can't believe frozen bubble is written in perl |
| 00:51.54 | StupidMop | abrotman: in the bootup process of debian. like when i power on |
| 00:52.02 | abrotman | StupidMop: you have a graphic? |
| 00:52.02 | vortek | irssi is console right ? |
| 00:52.03 | Guerin | :kill korean connectivity |
| 00:52.08 | Guerin | !kill korean connectivity |
| 00:52.09 | abrotman | vortek: yes |
| 00:52.13 | Guerin | kiiiiil |
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| 00:52.17 | peterS | helix: is this a good thing or a bad thing? ISTR you like frozen-bubble, but I could be mistaken |
| 00:52.19 | abrotman | vortek: irssi-text |
| 00:52.19 | zignig | peterS: you can do all sorts of evil sub emulation tricks.... |
| 00:52.20 | vortek | all apt-cache shows is irssi-text |
| 00:52.22 | vortek | got ya |
| 00:52.28 | vortek | er gotch ya |
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| 00:52.39 | peterS | vortek: right, someone tried to write an X frontend to irssi once. nothing good came of it |
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| 00:52.41 | helix | peterS: well, it's good I guess. it's not a very exciting game, but I was surprised it was in perl and not C++ or something |
| 00:52.44 | abrotman | StupidMop: are you running debian? |
| 00:52.44 | zignig | peterS: I had a c64 running on a ppc emulated on a x386 once , man _that_ was slow. |
| 00:52.45 | grelli | anyone? |
| 00:52.50 | peterS | zignig: hehe |
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| 00:53.07 | cafuego | zignig: You can go one slower with pearpc these days |
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| 00:53.13 | vortek | abrotman: does it support windows like /window new like bitchx does ? |
| 00:53.22 | zignig | cafuego: it was pearpc I think. |
| 00:53.23 | peterS | helix: not very exciting? people have been hooked on frozen-bubble worse than your average tetrinet case. how does this happen? (I have never tried f-b myself) |
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| 00:53.26 | StupidMop | abrotman: yes |
| 00:53.31 | cafuego | zignig: OSX in a PPC emulated on amd64 is *not* fast |
| 00:53.43 | helix | peterS: well, it's easy, there's no learning curve. it's a drone game. |
| 00:53.45 | zignig | cafuego: you've tried that ? |
| 00:53.48 | peterS | zignig: OTOH, C64 native isn't what I'd call blazing fast |
| 00:53.53 | helix | peterS: people don't stay hooked for long though |
| 00:53.54 | vortek | brb |
| 00:53.57 | peterS | helix: so kind of like classic tetris? |
| 00:54.01 | zignig | cafuego: I got my amd64 running last night :) |
| 00:54.02 | helix | peterS: yeah |
| 00:54.04 | abrotman | vortek: not sure .. i guess i always just changed channels .. not windows .. been a long time since i used bitchx |
| 00:54.18 | abrotman | helix: robotfindskitten! |
| 00:54.18 | helix | or pong, asteroids, any of those kinds of games |
| 00:54.20 | zignig | peterS: who cares , it's got impossible mission ! |
| 00:54.28 | cafuego | zignig: yeah. OS10.2 installed fine (took 2 days) OSX10.3 failed to start the installer (though the partitioner worked) |
| 00:54.38 | peterS | helix: if I were to write a game that didn't require blazing graphics speed, I'd use perl (: but I suppose you could have guessed that |
| 00:54.43 | cafuego | zignig: Sexy! |
| 00:54.43 | zignig | cafuego: that is just so evil ! ( i like it ) |
| 00:54.53 | helix | peterS: true. it uses the sdl bindings |
| 00:54.57 | cafuego | zignig: Now I just use the iBook of course :-) |
| 00:55.00 | abrotman | peterS: robotfindskitten! |
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| 00:55.05 | helix | peterS: but if you look at it, dunno... I wouldn't expect it to be perl |
| 00:55.06 | zignig | cafuego: my OSX native is working fine ( 12" ibook ) |
| 00:55.08 | peterS | abrotman: never tried it. what's it written in? |
| 00:55.17 | zignig | cafuego: running OSX or debian |
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| 00:55.18 | zignig | ? |
| 00:55.19 | abrotman | peterS: C/ncurses i suspect |
| 00:55.21 | helix | peterS: robotfindskitten is stupid |
| 00:55.24 | peterS | helix: I suspect everything SDL-based looks more or less the same |
| 00:55.29 | abrotman | but enigma is great! |
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| 00:55.30 | GunZ | can somebody give me a link to understand the difference between main, contrib and non-free packages? |
| 00:55.33 | abrotman | peterS: not at all |
| 00:55.34 | Guerin | woahA |
| 00:55.34 | cafuego | zignig: ditto here. mac mini will be dual boot when it arrived (ubuntu/OSX) |
| 00:55.44 | Guerin | 100%[==================>] 3,272,211 7.26M/s |
| 00:55.50 | cafuego | Guerin: slut |
| 00:55.51 | Guerin | it really IS 100 megabit |
| 00:55.51 | helix | mac minis are so cute |
| 00:55.52 | peterS | Guerin: not bad |
| 00:56.04 | cafuego | helix: Their ownly problem is they're not HERE! |
| 00:56.11 | peterS | cuter than those little bitty dell boxes? |
| 00:56.14 | fred | hey guys... one last question about downloading Debian's first .iso |
| 00:56.15 | helix | cafuego: why are you going to put ubuntu on it? |
| 00:56.17 | peterS | from a few years ago? |
| 00:56.18 | zignig | cafuego: nice. tell me how it goes. I just wish it had an IR port and a tv tuner. |
| 00:56.33 | batbeak | how can I get php4-cgi into stable? with unstable, there's a binary in /usr/bin/php4-cgi--not so stable... |
| 00:56.42 | cafuego | helix: Coz it runs a more polished-without-user-intervention Gnome setup. |
| 00:56.43 | asuffield | proprietary hardware sucks, especially when it's in a stupid case |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | batbeak: i think it's called php4-cli or something |
| 00:56.55 | Guerin | GunZ: debian policy manual at debian.org/doc |
| 00:57.03 | abrotman | asuffield: not a case .. gum packaging :) |
| 00:57.04 | GunZ | Guerin: ok thx |
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| 00:57.07 | cafuego | batbeak: Just 'php4' afaik. |
| 00:57.15 | peterS | asuffield: apple fans usually put style *waaaaay* over substance |
| 00:57.32 | abrotman | !find bin/php4 woody |
| 00:57.36 | cafuego | asuffield: You just claimed ALL laptops suck <heh> |
| 00:57.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/php4' (1): (/usr/bin/php4, /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php4) in web/php4-cgi. |
| 00:57.43 | fred | Im currently downloading the files that make up the image debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso. Is this the lastest stable image? |
| 00:57.44 | helix | peterS: I never saw the dell machines |
| 00:57.50 | peterS | asuffield: how else would 'cute' be at all a useful term to describe a computer? |
| 00:57.57 | asuffield | cafuego: pretty much, yeah |
| 00:57.59 | helix | hey, I'm not an apple fan... |
| 00:58.09 | asuffield | apple fans must die |
| 00:58.10 | abrotman | i like apples . |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | way better than oranges |
| 00:58.32 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 00:58.39 | abrotman | cafuego: did you have to buy them? |
| 00:58.39 | peterS | helix: the size and shape was approximately that of a mac mini. but it looks like a computer rather than a polished alien artifact |
| 00:58.55 | asuffield | helix: do you have productive states? :P |
| 00:58.56 | karsten | helix: Try OS XY. |
| 00:58.58 | cafuego | abrotman: They don't normally let you walk off with them, no. |
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| 00:59.02 | helix | peterS: heh. yeah, the cdrom/whatever thing is weeeiiiirrrd |
| 00:59.06 | helix | and the mouse that came with it is retarded |
| 00:59.12 | abrotman | cafuego: so you weren't thinking with your wallet? :) |
| 00:59.12 | zignig | helix: to shiney ? distracted by the nice buttons ? |
| 00:59.16 | asuffield | throw that shit away and attach an MX1000 |
| 00:59.22 | helix | zignig: there are button? |
| 00:59.23 | helix | s |
| 00:59.27 | abrotman | helix: actually .. the mouse is the only part i like |
| 00:59.27 | cafuego | abrotman: Before you compain they're expensive, find me a sub AU $1600 12" laptop with wifi and bluetooth |
| 00:59.29 | peterS | helix: does anyone with any intelligence use apple 1-button mice? |
| 00:59.32 | zignig | helix: :P no. |
| 00:59.35 | karsten | abrotman: You're sick. |
| 00:59.37 | helix | peterS: not me, I switched it asap |
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| 00:59.39 | abrotman | cafuego: i don't know what you have htere |
| 00:59.50 | abrotman | cafuego: or the exchange rate |
| 00:59.51 | karsten | A mouse *requires* at least three buttons, one of which is a wheel. |
| 00:59.51 | helix | peterS: you'd HATE the keyboard though |
| 00:59.53 | zignig | helix: bleh! |
| 00:59.55 | helix | it's almost entirely silent |
| 00:59.57 | helix | zignig: bleh to you |
| 00:59.58 | cafuego | abrotman: 12" iBook |
| 00:59.59 | asuffield | karsten: mine has twelve. ahahahahaha! |
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| 01:00.06 | abrotman | cafuego: i meant manufs |
| 01:00.11 | karsten | asuffield: You're sick *and* twisted. |
| 01:00.11 | asuffield | and it is so much LARGER than all yours |
| 01:00.13 | cafuego | abrotman: Just the usual ones |
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| 01:00.22 | abrotman | cafuego: and 1USD is 1AUD ? |
| 01:00.25 | karsten | abrotman: And how many fingers do you have? |
| 01:00.33 | cafuego | abrotman: As fara s I can tell PC 12" laptops tart at AU$2600 |
| 01:00.34 | abrotman | karsten: 8 |
| 01:00.35 | zignig | abrotman: 0.7 USD = 1 AUD |
| 01:00.42 | cafuego | abrotman: No, it's anout .75 I think |
| 01:00.43 | abrotman | why does our money suck! |
| 01:00.51 | helix | ugh |
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| 01:00.59 | peterS | abrotman: wait, our money sucks? |
| 01:01.03 | GunZ | when do i want to use non-us links in my sources.list file? is it generally used? |
| 01:01.04 | Guerin | it doesn't suck, it's just not ridiculously overvalued any more |
| 01:01.04 | helix | do you know they won't even exchange less than 100 euros at banks where I live? |
| 01:01.04 | karsten | abrotman: Consider an alternate career as a CMT. |
| 01:01.09 | abrotman | peterS: i've got a big pile of it in my pocket :) |
| 01:01.11 | karsten | GunZ: Yes. |
| 01:01.11 | helix | I have 20 totally useless euros |
| 01:01.17 | WickedRadio | can i copy and paste a small error im gettign with apt-get? |
| 01:01.26 | peterS | helix: you don't plan to travel to europe any time soon? |
| 01:01.27 | karsten | GunZ: You can add them then see what packages are added by reading the packages file. |
| 01:01.28 | Guerin | WickedRadio: one line; yes |
| 01:01.31 | karsten | !tell WickedRadio about paste |
| 01:01.34 | Guerin | WickedRadio: otherwise use paster |
| 01:01.34 | helix | peterS: not for months |
| 01:01.35 | karsten | !tell WickedRadio about paster |
| 01:01.37 | asuffield | why were you even exchanging euros? |
| 01:01.43 | WickedRadio | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 01:01.51 | helix | asuffield: I have them from when I was in spain |
| 01:01.57 | Guerin | WickedRadio: that is not an error |
| 01:02.02 | peterS | asuffield: most people in our country don't take euros as legal tender. so she probably wanted to exchange them for something that could actually be spent |
| 01:02.04 | karsten | WickedRadio: That indicates a problem. Your error should be above that. |
| 01:02.06 | abrotman | cafuego: how many USD is that? .. 1200$ or so? |
| 01:02.12 | karsten | Guerin: I beg to differ. |
| 01:02.12 | Guerin | WickedRadio: put the whole output onto paster |
| 01:02.18 | WickedRadio | sweet |
| 01:02.19 | WickedRadio | ok |
| 01:02.20 | WickedRadio | im on it |
| 01:02.21 | cafuego | abrotman: aus $1600? yeah |
| 01:02.27 | karsten | Guerin: It's not a *useful* error, truth. |
| 01:02.30 | abrotman | cafuego: okeedokee |
| 01:02.30 | GunZ | karsten: ok thank you |
| 01:02.35 | Guerin | karsten: fair call |
| 01:02.35 | helix | peterS: apparently it costs $10 to exchange them too (!) |
| 01:02.40 | helix | (if you have 100+) |
| 01:02.59 | karsten | GunZ: /var/lib/apt/lists/ is where you'll find those. |
| 01:03.02 | paster | "WickedRadio" at 71.98.15.80 pasted "Apt-get" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/23 |
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| 01:03.15 | cafuego | helix: I'll trade them 1:1 for US$ if you want, just mail them to me |
| 01:03.21 | helix | heh |
| 01:03.25 | peterS | helix: if they charge a $10 fee, why would they have a minimum amount? if you want to exchange 10 euros for $12, and pay $10, leaving you with $2, that should be your own business |
| 01:03.32 | helix | heh |
| 01:03.34 | Guerin | WickedRadio: using unstable? |
| 01:03.41 | WickedRadio | yeah |
| 01:03.42 | WickedRadio | all of em |
| 01:03.48 | WickedRadio | but no packages will install now |
| 01:03.48 | karsten | GunZ: Where'd you get those packages from, and what release are you running? |
| 01:03.49 | maher | peterS: you could give them $1 and say you changed 9 |
| 01:03.55 | Guerin | WickedRadio: why, since you can't troubleshoot very common dpkg errors? |
| 01:04.00 | cafuego | peterS: Normally it's a percentage OR a fixed fee, whichever is the greater amount. |
| 01:04.12 | Guerin | WickedRadio: man dpkg, and look at dpkg --force-help |
| 01:04.14 | WickedRadio | ive never encountered an apt-get error before |
| 01:04.15 | peterS | cafuego: right - seriously, with that kind of fee, a minimum amount to exchange makes no sense |
| 01:04.16 | asuffield | helix: your banks are swindling you |
| 01:04.17 | karsten | GunZ: If that's stock Debian packages, it's a Policy bug. |
| 01:04.20 | asuffield | although frankly that's no surprise |
| 01:04.21 | maher | helix: i'll look after your euros - send them over... |
| 01:04.25 | helix | asuffield: well, I couldn't exchange them anyway :P |
| 01:04.28 | helix | so I still have them |
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| 01:04.33 | maher | helix: how many |
| 01:04.33 | helix | along with other useless foreign currency |
| 01:04.39 | karsten | GunZ: If you're installing third-party packages, say so. |
| 01:04.43 | helix | maher: just 20, maybe more if I count the coins |
| 01:04.44 | zignig | helix: got any cool coins ? |
| 01:04.52 | cafuego | peterS: I get charged $26 whenever I put money into my dutch bank account. And coz the bank there only accepts transfers in euros, I get hit with a conversion fee too. |
| 01:04.53 | asuffield | helix: besides, won't you be in europe in the summer anyway? |
| 01:04.53 | helix | I think I had like 35 total |
| 01:05.03 | gloin | eh, ftp.us.debian.org is really taking a long time to reply. Is there an outage on? |
| 01:05.03 | peterS | cafuego: oh, lovely |
| 01:05.04 | maher | helix: aren't you going to be back in eu soon anyway? |
| 01:05.04 | helix | asuffield: yeah, but I don't get paid for like three weeks, so... :P |
| 01:05.13 | gloin | I can ping it just fine but apt is waiting forever for it |
| 01:05.18 | cafuego | peterS: The disadnvanatges of an offshore account :-( |
| 01:05.23 | helix | maher: july |
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| 01:05.45 | Guerin | yeah, we get charged about US$17 whenever we send money home... and we get exchange-rate=worst |
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| 01:05.47 | maher | helix: well if you'd picked june i could have seen you in venice... |
| 01:05.48 | cafuego | helix: silly girl, I won't be there until september |
| 01:05.54 | WickedRadio | so did anyone know how to fix that problem |
| 01:06.03 | Guerin | WickedRadio: I told you |
| 01:06.09 | abrotman | cafuego: i remember now . it's impossible .. noone uses bluetooth :) |
| 01:06.21 | peterS | maher: what's in venice, out of curiosity? |
| 01:06.22 | gloin | nvm it just opened up |
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| 01:06.25 | helix | cafuego: well, september for you is like august for the rest of us, given your timezone.. |
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| 01:06.30 | abrotman | helix: since i'm going to be in trouble later .. i'll apologize now |
| 01:06.31 | cafuego | abrotman: Maybe there, here GSm phones sync via bluetooth |
| 01:06.36 | helix | abrotman: for |
| 01:06.37 | helix | ? |
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| 01:06.43 | WickedRadio | Guerin where i scrolled up and seen nothign relevant to my error |
| 01:06.46 | GunZ | karsten: ok you have lost me now, i was basically asking because i am just setting up debian from scratch. I just installed debian from another distro and still setting everything up, and i forgot how the apt system works. |
| 01:06.47 | maher | peterS: canals, stuff |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | helix: who did you ban earlier? |
| 01:06.53 | cafuego | helix: <heh> |
| 01:06.55 | helix | wifitux |
| 01:06.57 | Guerin | WickedRadio: man dpkg, and look at dpkg --force-help |
| 01:07.03 | WickedRadio | im using apt-get |
| 01:07.05 | Guerin | hurray! |
| 01:07.07 | abrotman | helix: and which compliment do you seemingly not enjoy? |
| 01:07.08 | maher | peterS: actually i'm going to a conference in trieste but venice is on the way... |
| 01:07.08 | peterS | abrotman: apologising for something in advance is kind of pointless. obviously you don't regret what you're going to do or you wouldn't be doing it |
| 01:07.12 | Guerin | WickedRadio: you need to use dpkg |
| 01:07.20 | helix | abrotman: what are you getting at? |
| 01:07.24 | WickedRadio | well then screw debian |
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| 01:07.28 | helix | cafuego: oh, I'll be in france |
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| 01:07.38 | abrotman | peterS: no .. i didn't realize wifi didn't know .. he knows .. and i fear the wrath |
| 01:07.38 | WickedRadio | i need something that an average joe can use |
| 01:07.41 | batbea1 | I need a php4-cgi binary to point to for setting up fastcgi... pointing to /usr/bin/php4 does not do the trick. |
| 01:07.47 | Guerin | WickedRadio: oh yeah, because it's DEBIAN's fault you're using a developer's distro |
| 01:07.50 | helix | abrotman: he /msged you? |
| 01:07.53 | abrotman | helix: yes |
| 01:07.53 | maher | WickedRadio: i'm joe and pretty average |
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| 01:07.58 | cafuego | helix: I'll probably mainly be in holland... but I need to go to Cork as well and buy a replacment irish jumper (sweater) |
| 01:07.59 | helix | what a lamer |
| 01:08.07 | maher | WickedRadio: what would you like me to try to use? |
| 01:08.11 | WickedRadio | the people that help out at our radio station arent very puter savvy |
| 01:08.38 | WickedRadio | and im not using unstable |
| 01:08.38 | peterS | Guerin: see ya |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm actually still looking .. i can easily find a 12" laptop with wifi .. but bluetooth is a little trickier . how aobut i just buy you a usb adapter :) |
| 01:08.46 | maher | WickedRadio: what are you doing? |
| 01:08.48 | WickedRadio | for my sources its set to all the releases |
| 01:08.52 | abrotman | helix: you understand what i'm apologizing for? |
| 01:08.54 | helix | yay jobs :/ |
| 01:08.58 | helix | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:08.59 | cafuego | abrotman: What have you found sofar? |
| 01:09.04 | peterS | helix: and you say you're not an apple fan? ha! |
| 01:09.04 | abrotman | helix: am i gonna be killed? |
| 01:09.06 | hijo_de_cain | hi |
| 01:09.09 | helix | peterS: oh, heh |
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| 01:09.19 | abrotman | cafuego: fujitsu! :) |
| 01:09.19 | helix | abrotman: maybe later when I'm more awake |
| 01:09.19 | peterS | helix: very few jobs fans are not apple fans, IME |
| 01:09.20 | WickedRadio | i just need to install php4 on this server but i think one of the other users on the server messed something up cause now apt-get returns errors |
| 01:09.26 | helix | peterS: shut up :P |
| 01:09.34 | abrotman | helix: oh .. ok .. maybe by tomorrow you'll forget |
| 01:09.36 | cafuego | abrotman: I'd prefer if it wasn't butt-ugly. |
| 01:09.40 | helix | probably |
| 01:09.44 | hijo_de_cain | someone has a modem "dsl-200 rev b"? |
| 01:09.53 | abrotman | cafuego: lifebooks aren't that bad .. really |
| 01:09.54 | peterS | haha |
| 01:10.03 | peterS | helix: yes, I caught it |
| 01:10.05 | helix | yay |
| 01:10.18 | cafuego | abrotman: Awright, so where in melbourne do i get one? |
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| 01:10.31 | Cyanophytes | what is the /dev path to the usb ports in debian linux? |
| 01:10.32 | peterS | helix: but would I have caught it if I wasn't peterS? |
| 01:10.32 | cafuego | abrotman: And keep in mind US models may not be available here |
| 01:10.33 | maher | WickedRadio: well - its too bad other people with root on your system break it |
| 01:10.33 | dli | peterS: debugging the start-stop-daemon works now, it tells me all problems in /proc, and now it works |
| 01:10.36 | abrotman | cafuego: you order one . just like i do .. i don't think anyone buys fujitsu direct |
| 01:10.53 | WickedRadio | fuck u all and your shity idea of helping |
| 01:11.01 | cafuego | You're welcome. |
| 01:11.05 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 01:11.08 | helix | :) |
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| 01:11.28 | cafuego | Are you going to come back with a different nick and start flaming? |
| 01:11.39 | helix | cafuego: he already left |
| 01:11.40 | peterS | cafuego: that is depressingly common, isn't it? |
| 01:11.53 | cafuego | helix: yeah, I know. |
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| 01:11.57 | cafuego | peterS: *sigh* |
| 01:12.10 | paster | "PhatCockInYourAzz" at 71.98.15.80 pasted "Suck my Cock" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/24 |
| 01:12.17 | cafuego | Haha! |
| 01:12.22 | helix | heh |
| 01:12.22 | abrotman | cafuego: que? |
| 01:12.24 | peterS | Wyzard: doesn't make much sense to blame your apt-get woes on people who don't have root |
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| 01:12.35 | helix | users can do lots of stupid things |
| 01:12.38 | cafuego | abrotman: Ey? |
| 01:12.39 | maher | well i was about to offer some advice - but i guess its too late... |
| 01:12.39 | helix | they are impressively creative |
| 01:12.44 | abrotman | cafuego: oy! |
| 01:12.47 | cafuego | helix: Predictable, you mean. |
| 01:12.57 | Wyzard | peterS: Someone who doesn't know enough to troubleshoot an apt problem might not realize that, though |
| 01:13.10 | cafuego | Shall we all DoS 71.98.15.80? |
| 01:13.10 | helix | at my last job, we had a guy receive an attachment in his email from a client |
| 01:13.11 | peterS | Wyzard: yeah, well. |
| 01:13.21 | helix | and the computer was like, "YOU HAVE A VIRUS OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING" |
| 01:13.29 | helix | so he saved the attachment and sent it to another client |
| 01:13.35 | peterS | great plan |
| 01:13.56 | helix | yes |
| 01:13.58 | maher | i know someone whose employers antivirus stuff bounces all emails with subject:hi |
| 01:13.59 | silverton | helix, for some reason, I hope that guy was fired |
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| 01:14.08 | karsten | GunZ: Sorry, doing mail... |
| 01:14.08 | helix | he wasn't |
| 01:14.13 | silverton | dammit |
| 01:14.17 | peterS | Valdoom: don't do that |
| 01:14.17 | silverton | =-o! |
| 01:14.19 | Valdoom | grrrr |
| 01:14.19 | cafuego | Valdoom: Please don't. |
| 01:14.20 | silverton | I just got raped! |
| 01:14.23 | Valdoom | xchat mistake |
| 01:14.23 | Xenguy | keel heem |
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| 01:14.29 | peterS | Valdoom: you just requested 800 CTCP replies. may you drown in them |
| 01:14.30 | helix | even after causing a few hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of damage |
| 01:14.36 | silverton | rofl! |
| 01:14.36 | deadcat | Valdoom: what the hell was that? |
| 01:14.37 | Valdoom | DAMNIT XCHAT |
| 01:14.38 | helix | DOOM |
| 01:14.46 | silverton | valdoom, drowning yet? |
| 01:14.55 | sparr_ | how can i make my mouse scrollwheel count for preventing the screen saver from starting in gnome? |
| 01:14.56 | dondelelcaro | Valdoom: I'll take this moment to suggest using irssi-text insead. |
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| 01:14.59 | karsten | GunZ: Basically, Debian recognizes conflicts between packages. You're trying to install two packages which both want to install the same file. That is a major bug, as far as the packaging system is concerned. |
| 01:15.16 | cafuego | Or maybe even xirssi |
| 01:15.22 | peterS | sparr_: it doesn't already? that's odd. I don't know how, but I just wanted to say it's odd |
| 01:15.24 | deadcat | sparr_: turn off screensaver |
| 01:15.33 | karsten | GunZ: Generally the ways you'll encounter that are if you're installing non-Debian packages on a Debian system (third party maintainers tend to eff things up), or you're installing unstable and someone's goofed. |
| 01:15.36 | Wyzard | sparr_: It counts as mouse clicks, so it should work already, provided X is configured to actually recognize wheel events |
| 01:15.48 | sparr_ | peterS: very odd. im reading a long web page and suddenly the screen fades out |
| 01:15.53 | peterS | helix: I'm guessing approximately the same as that of fresh apricots, but somewhat cheaper to obtain |
| 01:15.54 | sparr_ | deadcat: that is not a valid answer to my question |
| 01:16.01 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:16.02 | karsten | GunZ: You can force the install, or try updating your package lists to see if the problem's been fixed. I'd also check against BTS for the two packages in question to see if a bug's been filed. |
| 01:16.04 | helix | peterS: possibly :) |
| 01:16.04 | sparr_ | Wyzard: i agree it should. answers with 'should' in them are of no help. |
| 01:16.06 | karsten | !tell GunZ about bts. |
| 01:16.07 | abrotman | god .. comcast sucks so bad |
| 01:16.07 | bahalinux | can someone tell me how to exit my gui desktop completely and go to only a command line without the x-server even running ? |
| 01:16.11 | zignig | helix: who cares about the health benefits , the yummyness factor is enough ! |
| 01:16.18 | helix | true, they are yummay |
| 01:16.24 | karsten | GunZ: You're also going to get better response from me if you reply in something less than a few minutes. |
| 01:16.26 | helix | ooh, vitamin A and iron |
| 01:16.26 | peterS | all the kinds of dried fruit out there and you pick *apricots*? |
| 01:16.28 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's working OK here, though it was having some trouble a few days ago |
| 01:16.31 | helix | peterS: they rock |
| 01:16.36 | helix | peterS: but what else do you recommend? |
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| 01:16.38 | cafuego | Speaking of yummy, can I just recommend french Calvados Cream? |
| 01:16.41 | Glitch_Master | Hrm... I seem to have left this open. |
| 01:16.42 | helix | I'm not fond of figs, dates, or raisins |
| 01:16.43 | silverton | bahalinux, run ps -ax from a terminal, and find the process number that your X server is running (eg gdm, kdm, xdm) |
| 01:16.48 | karsten | GunZ: ...as I tend to do other stuff if you don't respond. |
| 01:16.50 | silverton | and type "kill ####" |
| 01:16.52 | silverton | you have to be root |
| 01:16.56 | Glitch_Master | Firefox is giving me some new XML errors that I've never seen before. It's odd. |
| 01:16.57 | peterS | helix: dunno, I'm fond of dried apples & peaches myself |
| 01:16.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: now my DNS is all toast .. god they suck |
| 01:17.11 | helix | peterS: I don't really like dried apples, but I haven't had peaches |
| 01:17.15 | helix | if I see some, I'll get them |
| 01:17.26 | Wyzard | abrotman: interesting |
| 01:17.35 | bahalinux | so silverton the only way I can do it is by killing the process manualy? |
| 01:17.43 | silverton | bahalinux, from what I know, yeah |
| 01:17.48 | bahalinux | ok thanks |
| 01:17.48 | try_catch_this | in linux to executables have resources simalar to resources in windows? |
| 01:17.55 | peterS | try_catch_this: no |
| 01:17.56 | silverton | ctrl+alt+backspace kills it, but brings it back immediately |
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| 01:17.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: btw, someone told me the other day that the Verizon FTTP service is going to be like $200/month |
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| 01:18.05 | deadcat | try_catch_this: maybe |
| 01:18.06 | peterS | try_catch_this: they could in theory but nobody seems interested in implementing this |
| 01:18.07 | akhthar | Hello |
| 01:18.11 | cafuego | helix: Dried apricots and toasted pistachio nuts, both finely chopped, rolled into little balls, coated in icing sugar |
| 01:18.16 | silverton | but if you want it to stop, and not start again til you want it to, that's the only way I know |
| 01:18.16 | akhthar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.16 | akhthar | domain, the hostname in SMTP greetings should be the domain name rather than the hostname of the server |
| 01:18.17 | akhthar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.17 | akhthar | domain, the hostname in SMTP greetings should be the domain name rather than the hostname of the server |
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| 01:18.36 | helix | cafuego: ehh, I dunno about that |
| 01:18.38 | GunZ | karsten: the thing is i dont have a problem atm :) |
| 01:18.42 | cafuego | akhthar: Please unplug your mouse. |
| 01:18.44 | try_catch_this | peterS: so currently what do people in linux use for resources? |
| 01:18.47 | akhthar | yeah |
| 01:18.47 | cafuego | helix: it's *good* |
| 01:18.52 | akhthar | I am sorry for that |
| 01:18.58 | peterS | try_catch_this: depends on the app and the type of resource we're talking about |
| 01:18.59 | helix | I need to think of more stuff to cook |
| 01:19.04 | helix | I'm tired of my current list |
| 01:19.06 | peterS | stewed prunes! |
| 01:19.07 | Wyzard | try_catch_this: "resources" ? |
| 01:19.09 | abrotman | akhthar: you want to spam people? |
| 01:19.11 | GunZ | karsten: to be honest i dont really know what your trying to get at, or what question you are trying to answer? |
| 01:19.21 | GunZ | karsten: i am lost :) |
| 01:19.28 | try_catch_this | peterS: well in a win32 app you can basically have any type of resource |
| 01:19.30 | GunZ | karsten: and stupid :P |
| 01:19.35 | Wyzard | abrotman: btw, Xenogears arrived yesterday, finally |
| 01:19.44 | cafuego | helix: See if you can obtain a cookbook from madhur jaffrey - indian woman. |
| 01:19.51 | peterS | try_catch_this: "any type of resource" - I know, but that doesn't help answer your question. different things are typically handled in different ways |
| 01:19.54 | cafuego | helix: I have "Eastern Vegetarian Cooking' - it's GREAT |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: and you're on irc? |
| 01:20.01 | helix | I'm already overdoing the indian food |
| 01:20.02 | akhthar | Actually what I want is, when I do telnet domainname 25, I should get the domain name in SMTP greetings instead of hostname |
| 01:20.13 | xam | cafuego: why would you cook an indian woman? |
| 01:20.17 | Wyzard | try_catch_this: If you're talking about UI elements such as buttons and windows and such, those are handled by "toolkits" such as GTK, QT, Motif, etc. |
| 01:20.26 | try_catch_this | peterS: binary data which the porgramer wants in the executable but not a seperate file |
| 01:20.32 | peterS | akhthar: that, see, depends on the setup for the MTA you are using |
| 01:20.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, gotta finish FF3 first, then FFX (which I bought on Thursday) before I start the three Xeno* games... |
| 01:20.43 | akhthar | I am using Exim |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: heh |
| 01:20.53 | karsten | GunZ: Gah! |
| 01:20.57 | akhthar | I tried to set it up, but no luch;-) |
| 01:20.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: you should just quit work |
| 01:21.02 | akhthar | luck* |
| 01:21.04 | peterS | try_catch_this: in some cases, like small image icons, they can be converted to C code and included directly in the program. X bitmaps and xpm files are both this way *already* |
| 01:21.11 | karsten | GunZ: Doh. I'm an idiot. |
| 01:21.12 | try_catch_this | Wyzard: no stuff like sounds and images etc ... sum it up all under "content" |
| 01:21.13 | cafuego | abrotman: A small fujitsu at $3799 is not a good solution |
| 01:21.17 | peterS | try_catch_this: in many cases, you'll find auxilliary files in /usr/share/appname/ somewhere |
| 01:21.30 | Wyzard | abrotman: I stopped by Best Buy after work again today, this time looking for FF Chronicles, and discovered that they have no PSX games anymore -- that section of shelf is now occupied by PSP stuff |
| 01:21.30 | helix | that always looks like jujitsu to me |
| 01:21.32 | cafuego | helix: 1.1 billion indians eat it every day and you don't hear them complain ;-) |
| 01:21.38 | GunZ | karsten: lol you mix me up with somebody else? |
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| 01:21.50 | cafuego | helix: seriously though, that book includes the middle east |
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| 01:21.54 | try_catch_this | peterS: not c code but the actuall binary data |
| 01:21.56 | karsten | GunZ: WickeRadio. How the hell that happened I don't know. |
| 01:21.57 | helix | oh, I can deal with that |
| 01:21.59 | try_catch_this | only in the exe |
| 01:22.01 | helix | mmm, middle eastern f00d |
| 01:22.02 | nSe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.03 | akhthar | Any idea Peter or somebody else |
| 01:22.04 | Wyzard | try_catch_this: Do you mean sounds and images embedded within programs, or just sounds and images in general? |
| 01:22.08 | GunZ | karsten: haha |
| 01:22.08 | abrotman | cafuego: apparently they don't like you .. costs 1100 here :) |
| 01:22.11 | peterS | try_catch_this: you don't seem to understand. C code can be compiled into binary data. |
| 01:22.12 | karsten | GunZ: Whatever it is, I should share.... |
| 01:22.17 | cafuego | abrotman: Model number? |
| 01:22.21 | try_catch_this | Wyzard: content in embeded in a data |
| 01:22.30 | try_catch_this | Wyzard: content can be anything |
| 01:22.31 | Wyzard | try_catch_this: There are lots of tools for working with plain files of various types... Gimp, for example, for working with graphics |
| 01:22.38 | abrotman | cafuego: see above .. Comcast sucks! |
| 01:22.46 | GunZ | karsten: your help was much apprciated altho it wasnt for me lol |
| 01:22.46 | abrotman | cafuego: all my dns went away |
| 01:22.48 | peterS | Wyzard: that's not what he's talking about |
| 01:22.57 | try_catch_this | Wyzard: content withing the exe, how do people currently handle this? |
| 01:23.02 | karsten | GunZ: WickedRadio didn't seem to feel that way. Left in a huff. |
| 01:23.06 | alan_ | can anyone help me? i just upgraded an x86 box from stable to testing, and now it hangs on boot with "LI" on the screen |
| 01:23.13 | cafuego | abrotman: poo |
| 01:23.16 | cafuego | abrotman: use the MIT servers |
| 01:23.17 | peterS | try_catch_this: you normally don't touch the exe at all. content tends to live in /usr/share/appname/. which I seem to remember just saying. |
| 01:23.18 | try_catch_this | Wyzard: in windows you use resources |
| 01:23.20 | abrotman | cafuego: yes .. i know |
| 01:23.29 | Wyzard | try_catch_this: Images and stuff are usually loaded from files |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | cafuego: dns is such a fragile thing :) |
| 01:23.44 | cafuego | abrotman: 18.71.0.151 <-- does public queries |
| 01:23.50 | GunZ | karsten: ha, guess thats what happens when you multitask too much :) |
| 01:23.51 | deadcat | alan_: you have the woody install disk? boot itup and press F3 for help |
| 01:23.58 | Wyzard | try_catch_this: Sounds and videos too -- I'm pretty sure Windows .exe resources can't contain those things either |
| 01:24.01 | karsten | try_catch_this: You can also use a hex editor and seek for internal filemarkers for embedded gifs, whatever. It's idiotic, but some programs are compiled that way. |
| 01:24.04 | karsten | GunZ: Da. |
| 01:24.09 | peterS | Wyzard: they can |
| 01:24.19 | cafuego | abrotman: I find running my own DNS and completely ignoring my ISPs works fine too :-) |
| 01:24.24 | karsten | !tell alan_ about li |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | cafuego: i can't even reach that IP |
| 01:24.26 | alan_ | deadcat: link? is it a floppy disk? |
| 01:24.31 | akhthar | it would be great if anyone can give me some clues regarding hostname in SMTP greeting |
| 01:24.32 | abrotman | cafuego: something is seriously wrong |
| 01:24.37 | deadcat | alan_: nevermind |
| 01:24.38 | peterS | cafuego: yeah, works for me |
| 01:24.39 | abrotman | cafuego: could thier routers be stopping new connections ? |
| 01:24.41 | Wyzard | peterS: You can put full-motion video in a resource? |
| 01:24.44 | cafuego | abrotman: FIRST STRIKE! |
| 01:24.45 | GunZ | does debian provide the sun java jdk in apt, i can seem to find it with apt-cache search |
| 01:24.47 | karsten | alan_: Dollars to donuts you forgot to configure an initrd boot. |
| 01:24.49 | GunZ | ? |
| 01:24.53 | akhthar | Can we set it to a variable? |
| 01:24.53 | zignig | akhthar: /etc/mailname |
| 01:24.54 | karsten | GunZ: No. Non-free. |
| 01:24.54 | Wyzard | GunZ: apt-cache show java-package |
| 01:24.56 | peterS | akhthar: you are going to have to figure out what MTA you are using. then you will have to figure out how to configure it |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | this is why i don't want to work for comcast |
| 01:25.05 | GunZ | karsten: Wyzard ok thx |
| 01:25.05 | karsten | !tell GunZ about java |
| 01:25.06 | cafuego | GunZ: No. You need to download the .bin from sun (NOT the .rpm.bin) |
| 01:25.08 | peterS | Wyzard: full-motion video looks a lot like any other kind of binary data |
| 01:25.10 | FieldySnuts | @start an mta war |
| 01:25.10 | try_catch_this | Wyzard: you can have binary resources and load the sounds and vidoe in memory |
| 01:25.11 | ravenbird | postfix has an evil license |
| 01:25.11 | abrotman | but god .. i'd love to strange the fucking IT managers there |
| 01:25.11 | akhthar | I use Exim |
| 01:25.16 | alan_ | haha. 'chances are, my disk is too big'. i didn't know 3GB drives used LBA32 ;) |
| 01:25.17 | cafuego | GunZ: Then use 'java-package' to convert it. |
| 01:25.18 | GunZ | cafuego: ok |
| 01:25.32 | akhthar | zignig, I did not get you |
| 01:25.33 | alan_ | can i get a link to a rescue boot diskette? |
| 01:25.36 | GunZ | cafuego: right will look it up, thx |
| 01:25.36 | peterS | FieldySnuts: how did I know, when ravenbird said that, that it was probably *you* who triggered it? bleh. |
| 01:25.45 | abrotman | cafuego: somehow . the proxy dns lookups or something |
| 01:25.47 | FieldySnuts | poor baby |
| 01:25.53 | Wyzard | peterS: Well, sure, you can put a big block of bytes in anything, but resource files have specific support for things like menus and dialogs and string tables |
| 01:25.54 | deadcat | alan_: i think you just need to rerun lilo. but grub would be a better choice |
| 01:25.56 | zignig | akhthar: the file /etc/mailname is the greeting that the mta hands out. |
| 01:25.59 | karsten | alan_: http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 01:26.25 | Wyzard | peterS: Note that the little animations you see while moving/copying files (of a file flying out of one folder and into another, or whatever) are actually AVI files stored in the Windows directory |
| 01:26.26 | karsten | alan_: I'd also recommend LILO. Any boot disk will work. Knoppix, LNX-BBC, Tom's Root Boot. |
| 01:26.41 | alan_ | ta both of you |
| 01:26.47 | akhthar | No, I think in exim it takes the value from the variable primary_hostname set in exim.conf |
| 01:26.51 | peterS | Wyzard: yeah, indeed. it surprised me when I first learned these were just AVI videos |
| 01:26.55 | karsten | !trb |
| 01:26.56 | dpkg | somebody said trb was http://www.toms.net/rb/ The most Linux on 1.7MB floppy (that's 1.4 MB superformatted) |
| 01:27.02 | try_catch_this | there a linux programing channel? |
| 01:27.07 | peterS | akhthar: wait ... if you know this, why are you asking? |
| 01:27.49 | Wyzard | peterS: However, Windows resources do provide support for icons (bitmaps with multiple versions at different sizes and color depths) natively, which I don't think there's any direct analogue for in Linux -- most apps just use PNG files |
| 01:27.54 | akhthar | As I told you, what I want is when I do telnet <domainname> 25 I should get the domainname in SMTP greetings |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | i liked the linuxcare disc |
| 01:28.02 | Paganist | How can i create a device file ? like /dev/tun0 for example... |
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| 01:28.07 | akhthar | The domain name will be any domain in the server |
| 01:28.08 | abrotman | akhthar: what is your smtp server? |
| 01:28.09 | Wyzard | try_catch_this: There are channels for specific topics... like #gtk for GTK programming, etc. |
| 01:28.15 | deadcat | Paganist: loaded the module yet? |
| 01:28.17 | akhthar | Exim |
| 01:28.18 | peterS | Wyzard: right, I know. resources can be of specific types which are supported in specific ways, or they can just be binary blobs |
| 01:28.22 | travisat_ | try_catch_this: um linux isn't a language |
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| 01:28.28 | abrotman | akhthar: did you even try to ask #exim ? |
| 01:28.37 | alan_ | hrm, any chance i could get that in a standard floppy? :P |
| 01:28.38 | akhthar | Not yet |
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| 01:28.41 | abrotman | is wifi still banned? |
| 01:28.45 | try_catch_this | travisat_: but it is a platform |
| 01:28.48 | abrotman | akhthar: fark . go ask them |
| 01:28.50 | peterS | alan_: sure. you just have to format it specially. use 'superformat' |
| 01:28.56 | helix | abrotman: yes and he's still harassing me in /msg |
| 01:28.57 | Paganist | deadcat: deadcat yes |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | helix: ah .. gotcha |
| 01:29.04 | peterS | alan_: superformat is part of the 'fdutils' package |
| 01:29.07 | akhthar | Ok |
| 01:29.09 | abrotman | helix: am i in trouble now? |
| 01:29.12 | travisat_ | try_catch_this: so there isn't a specific language of linux |
| 01:29.13 | Paganist | deadcat: should i MAKEDEV ? |
| 01:29.16 | helix | abrotman: did you tell him to /msg me? |
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| 01:29.21 | HATEFUCK | HI |
| 01:29.24 | helix | HELLO |
| 01:29.34 | deadcat | Paganist: ya. man MAKEDEV unless you know what its called |
| 01:29.37 | alan_ | peterS: heh. haven't got a workable linuxbox now that two are down for the LI bug :P |
| 01:29.43 | Paganist | ok |
| 01:29.44 | karsten | Has anyone else received mail from PGP.com asking for key reauthorization? |
| 01:29.47 | Paganist | ty |
| 01:29.48 | abrotman | helix: uhm .. i don't think so .. but i thikn it's been said more than once that if yu're banned to /msg the op that did it .. right? |
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| 01:29.51 | helix | karsten: lots of people |
| 01:29.54 | helix | abrotman: fuck no |
| 01:29.55 | karsten | !ops HATEFUCK |
| 01:29.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: HATEFUCK |
| 01:30.10 | abrotman | helix: how else to get unbanned then to ask the person that did it ? |
| 01:30.11 | helix | abrotman: why on earth would we want the psychos we ban to /msg us? |
| 01:30.25 | abrotman | helix: not immediately afterwards .. days later |
| 01:30.29 | helix | abrotman: doing it immediately after getting banned is useless |
| 01:30.30 | GunZ | karsten: cafuego: bah should have known about this as its the same for all other distros |
| 01:30.30 | Wyzard | karsten: Maybe if you use their commercial version of PGP, but "key reauthorization" sounds suspicious to me... the whole point of PGP's trust model is that it's decentralized |
| 01:30.32 | peterS | helix: because you accepted responsibility for policing the channel |
| 01:30.35 | abrotman | helix: i realize that |
| 01:30.40 | PitchForkLin | Evening all. Is there a trick to getting LVM to run correctly. I have set up LVM from Sarge installer but it fails every time on reboot. |
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| 01:30.45 | deadcat | the only ops i've seen here in 2 yrs are greycat, helix, bob2, caphuso , dondelelcaro .. who the hell are the rest? |
| 01:30.47 | abrotman | helix: i meant .. later .. like a few days later etc |
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| 01:30.55 | try_catch_this | travisat_: may not have only one language but there are specific ways of doing things on a platform |
| 01:30.56 | helix | abrotman: well, he did it after like 5 minutes |
| 01:30.56 | abrotman | karsten: why? |
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| 01:30.59 | abrotman | helix: oh |
| 01:30.59 | karsten | Wyzard: yeah... |
| 01:31.08 | abrotman | helix: and that wasn't why i thought i'd be in trouble |
| 01:31.12 | karsten | abrotman: Why what? |
| 01:31.17 | travisat_ | try_catch_this: almost all languages are cross-platform |
| 01:31.18 | abrotman | karsten: the !ops |
| 01:31.26 | karsten | abrotman: Um. Interesting sig. |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | karsten: that's it? |
| 01:31.35 | HATEFUCK | THIS IS QUITE A BUSY CHANNEL FOR SUCH A FAILURE OF AN OS |
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| 01:31.40 | helix | there we go |
| 01:31.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:31.41 | helix | bye bye |
| 01:31.41 | abrotman | ok .. |
| 01:31.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@host81-153-210-73.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] by dondelelcaro |
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| 01:31.47 | karsten | abrotman: Well, you see.... ;-) |
| 01:31.57 | cafuego | karsten: see !icbm too |
| 01:32.01 | dondelelcaro | If I can still remember that I've banned someone when they're /msg'ing me, it's generally too early... |
| 01:32.01 | abrotman | karsten: yes .. but just nick alone .. look at hogballs .. even though he is an idiot |
| 01:32.05 | travisat_ | well I take that back |
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| 01:32.14 | Paganist | deadcat: nothing |
| 01:32.16 | Paganist | :( |
| 01:32.28 | deadcat | Paganist: usually when i load the driver it creates it for me. |
| 01:32.30 | Opiated | mplayer will only play dvd's under root. It is most probably a file permissions problem, but I can't figure out how to fix it, whoah, that HATEFUCK guy musta been outta his goddamned mind |
| 01:32.32 | Opiated | oh anyway |
| 01:32.33 | Opiated | brb |
| 01:32.42 | Paganist | hum |
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| 01:32.46 | Frater_Sx | bye |
| 01:32.47 | deadcat | Paganist: let me check my configs on my laptop |
| 01:32.55 | Paganist | oki |
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| 01:33.06 | karsten | !nearbeer helix |
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| 01:33.16 | peterS | karsten: who created that one? |
| 01:33.16 | helix | I want uncoffinated |
| 01:33.19 | Opiated | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom1 iso9660 ro,user,noauto <== this is my dvd drive in fstab, only root can play dvds, users can't, i can't seem to figure out what the problem is, apparantly i don't see a problem |
| 01:33.29 | karsten | peterS: Me ;-) |
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| 01:33.31 | abrotman | karsten: water? |
| 01:33.34 | peterS | karsten: ahhh. that explains the spelling |
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| 01:33.48 | dcom | man alot of people is this room |
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| 01:33.54 | helix | he should've given me something lascivious instead |
| 01:33.59 | C17H21NO4 | Opiated: dvd movies aren't mounted. |
| 01:33.59 | xam | helix: without a coffin? |
| 01:34.00 | Opiated | could anyone tell me if ro,user,noauto needs to be changed, I been reading the mans on mount but i can't seem to figure this one out |
| 01:34.00 | cafuego | helix: scared of vampires? |
| 01:34.00 | dcom | helix: I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE |
| 01:34.09 | abrotman | helix: that domain? |
| 01:34.09 | peterS | helix: but then it would be a single-purpose factoid. and those are pretty dumb |
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| 01:34.12 | Opiated | C17H21NO4, i know this |
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| 01:34.19 | helix | ooh |
| 01:34.23 | helix | maybe he'll stop by for tea! |
| 01:34.24 | C17H21NO4 | Opiated: So why show your fstab? |
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| 01:34.36 | Wyzard | Opiated: I think DVD playback needs "raw" access to the drive in addition to mounting it... on CSS-encrypted discs, at least, because it has to negotiate with the drive to get the CSS key |
| 01:34.37 | Opiated | because i though ti MIGHT have a problem with it SOMEHOW |
| 01:34.41 | dondelelcaro | (at least, I think I do) |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i want to live where you live! :) |
| 01:34.50 | peterS | dondelelcaro: it's a useful thing to keep track of |
| 01:34.53 | helix | aw shucks, now he's /msging me |
| 01:34.55 | Wyzard | Opiated: /dev/hdc should be owned by the "cdrom" group and group-writable, so just add your account to that group |
| 01:35.02 | Opiated | ahh |
| 01:35.08 | abrotman | helix: kline him! |
| 01:35.09 | Opiated | Wyzard, you da man |
| 01:35.11 | nydust | where do i get mod_ssl.so? |
| 01:35.18 | karsten | peterS: OK, so what did I misspell? |
| 01:35.21 | abrotman | oh yeah . you can't |
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| 01:35.24 | cafuego | helix: ask him out, he clearly adores you |
| 01:35.26 | peterS | abrotman: only ircops can do that. last I heard helix wasn't one of those yet |
| 01:35.31 | peterS | karsten: caffeinated |
| 01:35.43 | abrotman | peterS: i know .. i keep forgetting helix isn't |
| 01:35.44 | helix | I want an unkawfeenated drink too |
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| 01:35.57 | dcom| | Erinn Kelly Clark, Florida Driver's License number C462211805500, address is 4841 Wallingford Place West, Jacksonville Florida 32257. White female with a Class E Driver's License, Date of Birth is February 10, 1980. She is an organ donor. Her Driver's License was first issued on September 6th, 1996. Give Erinn a call at (904)880-0382 |
| 01:36.01 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 01:36.01 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpc3-bror3-4-0-cust183.bmly.cable.ntl.com] by helix |
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| 01:36.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 01:36.02 | abrotman | oh my god |
| 01:36.02 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpc3-bror3-4-0-cust183.bmly.cable.ntl.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:36.02 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:36.05 | helix | here we go again |
| 01:36.11 | peterS | abrotman: I think they want her to be but she can only accept so many offers at once |
| 01:36.13 | nSe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:36.21 | abrotman | helix: i just removed the log from the lsat time that guy did that |
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| 01:36.29 | karsten | helix: Fanclub. |
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| 01:36.34 | vortek | Are there any tools that well tell me what AP Im connectiod to or its essid ? |
| 01:36.36 | helix | my fans suck |
| 01:36.47 | karsten | !nearbeer peterS |
| 01:36.48 | C17H21NO4 | vortek: iwconfig |
| 01:36.49 | Opiated | general off topic question, who is the oldest of all in this channel? |
| 01:36.51 | abrotman | helix: did i tell you i got one? .. but i think he stopped now |
| 01:36.54 | Opiated | like 60? |
| 01:36.55 | Opiated | mabye |
| 01:36.59 | Opiated | 60+ |
| 01:37.06 | peterS | abrotman: someone stalks you? cool |
| 01:37.06 | cafuego | Opiated: The dead guy in the corner there |
| 01:37.08 | vortek | thanxs |
| 01:37.09 | Opiated | lol |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | peterS: it's just kawfee .. i'm not impressed :) |
| 01:37.20 | helix | hrm, I have a random question |
| 01:37.23 | vortek | C17H21NO4: I got a wireless conection it's just sort of unstable for some odd reason any ideas ? |
| 01:37.26 | peterS | abrotman: ahh. I don't think kawfee has ever stalked me, though |
| 01:37.33 | helix | why are some wireless cards eth* and some are wvlan/wlan or whatever? |
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| 01:37.36 | abrotman | peterS: well . i don't understand why he is .. |
| 01:37.37 | Opiated | helix, are you the helix player author? |
| 01:37.40 | helix | is there just no unity with these things? |
| 01:37.42 | deadcat | Paganist: checked /dev/net/tun ? |
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| 01:37.44 | vortek | C17H21NO4: I'm using dhcp now cause static sucked and in windows it's stable So i know she works ok |
| 01:37.44 | C17H21NO4 | vortek: Is it switching AP's? |
| 01:37.45 | abrotman | Opiated: that would be real networks |
| 01:37.45 | root_ | Gentoo linux rules |
| 01:37.47 | Opiated | oh |
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| 01:37.50 | helix | Opiated: I'm the president |
| 01:37.50 | Paganist | deadcat: hold on |
| 01:37.53 | karsten | nSe: $IFS controls the behavior, IIRC. You can also set highlighting in some terminals (eg: GNOME/KDE) |
| 01:37.54 | cafuego | helix: Authors think it's more special to use non-standard device names |
| 01:37.57 | dondelelcaro | helix: different people writing the drivers... |
| 01:37.57 | vortek | C17H21NO4: not to my knowledge |
| 01:37.58 | Opiated | president of real networks? |
| 01:37.59 | Opiated | wow |
| 01:38.01 | helix | ok, thought so |
| 01:38.02 | Opiated | that is major |
| 01:38.03 | peterS | helix: because most of them originated outside the kernel and there wasn't a standard for a long time on this stuff |
| 01:38.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you sure about that one ? |
| 01:38.08 | Paganist | deadcat: i have no net dir in dev |
| 01:38.08 | helix | Opiated: no, I'm kidding |
| 01:38.11 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:38.11 | Opiated | oh |
| 01:38.12 | Opiated | hehe |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | never mind |
| 01:38.18 | Opiated | you had me there |
| 01:38.18 | C17H21NO4 | vortek: Are there any other ap's nearby? What card? |
| 01:38.18 | cafuego | You reckon this sad moron is still WickedRadio? |
| 01:38.20 | helix | peterS: gotcha |
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| 01:38.21 | alan_ | ok wtf |
| 01:38.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sure about which one? |
| 01:38.28 | peterS | cafuego: no |
| 01:38.34 | deadcat | Paganist: man MAKEDEV and search for tun, then test all those device names |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | oh my god |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: nothing .. but i think you got another |
| 01:38.37 | vortek | C17H21NO4: yeah like 5 but week .. wg311v2 with ndis wrappers :P |
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| 01:38.44 | cafuego | peterS: Surely kawfee has wgiven up by now |
| 01:38.48 | vortek | C17H21NO4: like apt-get update hangs a lot and such .. |
| 01:38.49 | alan_ | the only machine that's up and running and has a floppy drive |
| 01:38.50 | helix | cafuego: no |
| 01:38.51 | alan_ | is my windows xp machine |
| 01:38.51 | alan_ | and the toms rb disk installer requires MSDOS |
| 01:38.51 | abrotman | cafuego: no |
| 01:38.57 | cafuego | haha, really |
| 01:39.09 | helix | he needs some sugar baby love |
| 01:39.10 | peterS | cafuego: you'd think so. maybe he's related to the reverend fred phelps. they're both in Topeka, I believe, and they're both about equally tenacious |
| 01:39.16 | popeye | who is kawfee |
| 01:39.19 | karsten | alan_: Or Linux. |
| 01:39.21 | popeye | is he some kind of troll |
| 01:39.24 | abrotman | !kawfee |
| 01:39.24 | dpkg | somebody said kawfee was KAWFEH, or married to Boris, the russian Ebay Bride. A troll; like a bot, but squishier |
| 01:39.27 | cafuego | helix: either that or medication and shock therapy |
| 01:39.38 | karsten | alan_: Read the FAQ. |
| 01:39.41 | peterS | popeye: he used to live on #debian but he was treated pretty badly, and eventually turned bitter |
| 01:39.43 | alan_ | which XP does not havebody please hel |
| 01:39.48 | Paganist | deadcat: ok, i will, thank you |
| 01:39.52 | cafuego | and when i say medication I mean a sledge hammer to the base of the skull |
| 01:39.53 | abrotman | alan_: wrong channel ? |
| 01:39.57 | alan_ | karsten: i did |
| 01:39.59 | karsten | alan_: Get freedos. |
| 01:40.01 | vortek | C17H21NO4: Link Quality:100/100 Signal level:-46 dBm Noise level:-256 dBm |
| 01:40.02 | peterS | popeye: he got banned a long time ago and has since been trying to harrass people in the channel, particularly helix |
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| 01:40.10 | benjamindees | filthy hobbitsss |
| 01:40.12 | alan_ | my brother won't let me reboot his machine |
| 01:40.14 | vortek | is that a lot of noise ? |
| 01:40.16 | karsten | alan_: There's also ways to create a DOS boot floppy from w/in XP, GIYF. |
| 01:40.18 | vortek | alan_: ouch |
| 01:40.19 | Paganist | bbs..... |
| 01:40.20 | karsten | !tell alan_ about GIYF |
| 01:40.22 | popeye | peterS i think he became a member of the GNAA |
| 01:40.24 | helix | ooh |
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| 01:40.27 | cafuego | alan_: pull the fuse in the fusebox |
| 01:40.30 | helix | now he's threatening to send me stuff in the mail |
| 01:40.37 | peterS | neat |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | helix: anything fun? |
| 01:40.40 | C17H21NO4 | vortek: It may be that it is trying to switch APs. I haven't used the ndis wrapper and don't plan to, but it may not be that stable to begin with. |
| 01:40.41 | dli | anyone give me some idea, why XForwarding doesn't work in a two step ssh connection? A ssh to B, then, ssh to C |
| 01:40.45 | popeye | do you guys know what the GN double A is |
| 01:40.49 | cafuego | helix: yeah, get him to send you flour, then take it to the police. |
| 01:40.49 | karsten | alan_: Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | popeye: do we care? |
| 01:40.56 | alan_ | ok, is there a different boot disk that doesn't require a 1.7MB floppy? |
| 01:41.00 | alan_ | all i need is lilo |
| 01:41.00 | popeye | i dont know, i'm asking yhou |
| 01:41.05 | deadcat | sounds like someone's having a case of the mondays. |
| 01:41.06 | popeye | kawfee is a member |
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| 01:41.10 | karsten | alan_: You're going to need a floppy image. Deal with it. |
| 01:41.16 | vortek | C17H21NO4: yeah it was that or use the bugy acx111 source forge stuff wich never seems to compile or load right :) I guess I'll just use this for a while |
| 01:41.17 | peterS | cafuego: you think kawfee would send helix flours? |
| 01:41.19 | C17H21NO4 | vortek: You should be able to tell it not to connect to the best ap automatically |
| 01:41.23 | abrotman | popeye: you could drop it ? |
| 01:41.27 | Wyzard | dli: The middle machine needs xbase-clients installed |
| 01:41.35 | cafuego | peterS: don't, it makes you sound like an aussie wogbog |
| 01:41.42 | Opiated | Wyzard, I am already a member of the cdrom group |
| 01:41.50 | C17H21NO4 | vortek: I've used the acx100 with success. |
| 01:41.50 | vortek | C17H21NO4: Im using /etc/network/interfaces to config it . And I tried just using the SSID of my ap |
| 01:41.51 | dli | Wyzard, thanks, let's check |
| 01:41.53 | alan_ | so what am i supposed to do? reboot my windows xp machine to a dos boot disk, then what? no rtitions, all NTFS! how am i supposed to install the stupid toms rb? |
| 01:41.58 | popeye | abrotman, you sound hostile. has the GN double A been harassing you lately? |
| 01:42.01 | vortek | vortek: Im using the wg311v2 though |
| 01:42.05 | abrotman | popeye: does it matter? |
| 01:42.07 | vortek | er C17H21NO4: I meant lol |
| 01:42.16 | popeye | abrotman, I work for the FBI and we are tracking them down |
| 01:42.16 | alan_ | "no rtitions" = "no FAT partitions" |
| 01:42.17 | dli | Wyzard, already the newest version |
| 01:42.21 | vortek | Well not that I got a net connection Ishould try it maybe |
| 01:42.25 | vortek | er now |
| 01:42.25 | popeye | abrotman, the have violated numerous federal laws |
| 01:42.33 | FieldySnuts | @lart GN double A |
| 01:42.34 | C17H21NO4 | vortek: I think you have to change the mode from auto, to managed or infrastructure |
| 01:42.37 | Wyzard | Opiated: You also won't be able to play CSS-protected discs unless you have libdvdcss2 installed -- get it from marillat |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | popeye: right .. as if |
| 01:42.52 | Wyzard | dli: X forwarding also needs to be enabled i /etc/ssh/sshd_config on B and C |
| 01:42.56 | alan_ | are there any other boot disks besides "toms rb" ? |
| 01:42.58 | abrotman | popeye: the FBI now trolls #debian? |
| 01:43.01 | popeye | abrotman, this is not light matter, they threatened the president with a "jizz covered pretzel" |
| 01:43.02 | Opiated | i installed the package mplayer-686 which in turn installed the libdvdcss and the mplayer-586 package |
| 01:43.08 | Opiated | Wyzard, I have it already |
| 01:43.11 | abrotman | !ops popeye |
| 01:43.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: popeye |
| 01:43.15 | cafuego | popeye: the GNAA aren't in the US, so your point is moot. |
| 01:43.17 | dli | Wyzard, both enabled |
| 01:43.22 | Opiated | I can play the dvd's as root, just not as users |
| 01:43.23 | vortek | C17H21NO4: k |
| 01:43.26 | abrotman | err ... |
| 01:43.28 | popeye | cafuego, what do you think the last A in GNAA stands for |
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| 01:43.36 | dli | Wyzard, really puzzles me |
| 01:43.39 | Opiated | Wyzard, i can play the dvds as root, just not as users |
| 01:43.45 | cafuego | popeye: Do you think my OEAA is in the US? |
| 01:43.49 | vortek | brb |
| 01:43.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: sorry . i think that was a bit early .. and i meant to say to watch him :) |
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| 01:43.57 | popeye | cafuego, what is the OEAA, some kind of branchoff? |
| 01:43.57 | Wyzard | Opiated: Can you read raw from the CD device as a user? (hd /dev/hdc | head) |
| 01:44.08 | cafuego | popeye: Of sorts. No, not really. |
| 01:44.11 | benjamindees | what's the best way to back up and restore the dpkg database |
| 01:44.12 | alan_ | so much for the warm and loving linux community |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but i'm pretty sure he's the same |
| 01:44.17 | Wyzard | dli: and I assume you're specifying the -X option both times |
| 01:44.25 | deadcat | benjamindees: dpkg --get-selections > file |
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| 01:44.28 | dondelelcaro | alan_: just use the debian installer cd. |
| 01:44.28 | cafuego | Organisation for the Extinction of Asshole Americans |
| 01:44.30 | dli | Wyzard: yes |
| 01:44.34 | Opiated | Wyzard, no errors, I got a bunch of output |
| 01:44.41 | karsten | alan_: We'll give clues, we don't do miracles |
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| 01:44.52 | alan_ | dondelelcaro: no cd, no burner atm, no go |
| 01:44.54 | popeye | we have logged kawfee connecting to this server, I expect some of you will be receiving subpoenas in the naer future to testify in his trial |
| 01:44.55 | Opiated | Wyzard, apparantly I can read the head as a |
| 01:44.58 | Opiated | user |
| 01:45.03 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: now? |
| 01:45.04 | Opiated | oops enter key |
| 01:45.04 | benjamindees | deadcat, that doesn't have file names does it? does dpkg store a list of files on the system somewhere? |
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| 01:45.05 | dondelelcaro | alan_: then get a rescue.bin image, and write it to a floppy |
| 01:45.14 | Wyzard | Opiated: Then it's not a permissions problem on the drive... look more carefully through the output of mplayer (or whatever you're using) |
| 01:45.20 | alan_ | dondelelcaro: link please? |
| 01:45.21 | dondelelcaro | popeye: uh, that's great. That's totally OT for #debian. |
| 01:45.32 | Opiated | ok |
| 01:45.33 | Opiated | nevermind |
| 01:45.34 | karsten | alan_: There's a comprehensive list of distros at http://www.lwn.net/ Look for microdistros. |
| 01:45.34 | Opiated | here it goes |
| 01:45.36 | dondelelcaro | alan_: it's on any debian mirror. http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 01:45.37 | Opiated | damn piece of crap |
| 01:45.39 | Opiated | its working now |
| 01:45.41 | Opiated | i dunno why |
| 01:45.42 | karsten | alan_: Trinux might do. Theres' others. |
| 01:45.45 | Wyzard | dli: dunno then... but ssh and sshd both have debug options you can start them with, that cause them to log extra helpful info |
| 01:45.48 | StupidMop | how would i search for a word(s) inside of a file? |
| 01:45.53 | deadcat | benjamindees: that i dont know, the above command will save a list to a file. then when you restore. just load the file and run apt-get upgrade i think |
| 01:45.54 | Opiated | last tim ei checked about 70 secs ago it kicked me out saying can't find /dev/hdc |
| 01:45.56 | Wyzard | StupidMop: grep |
| 01:45.56 | cafuego | StupidMop: with 'grep' |
| 01:45.59 | alan_ | thank you karsten and dondelelcaro |
| 01:45.59 | dli | Wyzard, thanks a lot :) |
| 01:45.59 | popeye | dondelelcaro your comment about my offtopic comment is also offtopic |
| 01:46.08 | popeye | but this is bigger than #debian, he is also trolling #gentoo |
| 01:46.08 | cafuego | StupidMop: or if the file is open in 'less', hit '/' |
| 01:46.10 | karsten | StupidMop: man grep |
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| 01:46.13 | popeye | he has said it isn't the best distro |
| 01:46.18 | popeye | that is a federal crime of course |
| 01:46.24 | abrotman | i can't believe that guy is still here .. what an idiot |
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| 01:46.26 | cafuego | popeye: We, surprisingly, don't much care about gentoo. |
| 01:46.28 | Opiated | debian sucks, so does linux, winblows all the way |
| 01:46.38 | Opiated | *grin* |
| 01:46.54 | FieldySnuts | @troll Opiated |
| 01:46.58 | StupidMop | well.. i tried find / * | grep word but it only found filenames that have the word. how can i get grep to look inside? |
| 01:46.59 | Opiated | bah |
| 01:47.00 | dondelelcaro | alan_: hint: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 01:47.00 | ruski | "Gentoo - for people who have a week to install there OS" |
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| 01:47.06 | abrotman | thier |
| 01:47.07 | Opiated | NO! |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | err |
| 01:47.10 | Opiated | bad fieldy |
| 01:47.11 | wolfjb | what is the name of the php4 source package? apt-build source php4 is unable to find a source package for php4 |
| 01:47.14 | Opiated | baad fieldy |
| 01:47.18 | FieldySnuts | eat it |
| 01:47.21 | Opiated | :D |
| 01:47.31 | mlots | How do I use sarge's mkisofs to make a dvd? "mkisofs -R -o image.iso inputfiles" doesn't seem to work. |
| 01:47.33 | benjamindees | nooooo! |
| 01:47.38 | cafuego | see youse |
| 01:47.45 | dondelelcaro | wolfjb: you want apt-get source php4-cgi; or something. You specify a binary package when you use apt-get source. |
| 01:47.48 | deadcat | my classmate told me he started gentoo on sunday night, he told me he was still doing kde in class today (= |
| 01:47.51 | FieldySnuts | mlots: those files have to be in a directory, and that's the last argument: somedir |
| 01:47.53 | benjamindees | think of mwilson... won't somebody please think of mwilson! |
| 01:48.10 | ledestin | mlots: same as you would do a CD |
| 01:48.12 | wolfjb | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:48.15 | karsten | !tell mlots about dvdburn |
| 01:48.20 | mlots | FieldySnuts: I got the files, they're just not the right size |
| 01:48.22 | cafuego | it's like the USian rima-tde.net or something |
| 01:48.26 | karsten | !tell mlots about dvdrecord |
| 01:48.41 | dondelelcaro | wolfjb: np. It's kind of counter intuitive, and there may actually be a wishlist bug for it to work with source package names as well... I just can't remember. |
| 01:48.44 | karsten | cafuego: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/spam-by-cidr.txt |
| 01:48.51 | Opiated | are questions concerning dvd ripping allowed in here |
| 01:48.52 | mlots | growisofs just sits and doesn't seem to do anything |
| 01:49.08 | mlots | Can I use growisofs to create an image? |
| 01:49.10 | karsten | cafuego: ...worst performing individual CIDRs noted. Disney tops the US list (LookSmart2). |
| 01:49.15 | Opiated | i want to back up some of my imported death metal dvds on pc, so i don't have to use the original discs |
| 01:49.29 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. |
| 01:49.33 | xam | !be mwilson |
| 01:49.34 | deadcat | karsten: your site doesnt work with links |
| 01:49.36 | wolfjb | dondelelcaro: I was hoping to use apt-build to dl and build the source, but apt-get will work fine too. Somehow I missed that option though. |
| 01:49.38 | karsten | Opiated: Yes, it's on-topic.... |
| 01:49.43 | Opiated | word |
| 01:49.46 | karsten | deadcat: ?? |
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| 01:50.16 | karsten | Gah. |
| 01:50.29 | deadcat | karsten: can never go to your site with links. have to use ff |
| 01:50.42 | dondelelcaro | wolfjb: I would have thought that apt-build could download the source as well... but I haven't worked with it... |
| 01:50.49 | karsten | deadcat: Well, that link is 404. |
| 01:50.58 | cafuego | karsten: it's still 404-ing |
| 01:51.05 | mlots | I did "mkisofs -v -R -o image.iso *", watched the output, waited half an hour, did a "mount image.iso /cdrom -r -o loop", did an ls in /cdrom and found GB files were only a few MiB each. |
| 01:51.11 | karsten | cafuego: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/monthly-cidr-report.txt |
| 01:51.26 | cafuego | karsten: You should RSS that thing |
| 01:51.26 | wolfjb | dondelelcaro: it is very cool. I use it for subversion. maybe I have my sources setup wrong for it or something though, because apt-get source php4 did work fine |
| 01:51.39 | karsten | cafuego: Serious? |
| 01:51.52 | dondelelcaro | wolfjb: oh, ok... |
| 01:51.54 | cafuego | karsten: yeh, so people can use it to blacklist! :-) |
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| 01:52.24 | cafuego | karsten: The 'block outright if in top 25 last month' |
| 01:52.34 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. I wouldn't recommend that. |
| 01:52.40 | cafuego | I mean, who the hell ants email from korea anyway? |
| 01:52.51 | benjamindees | the "status" file is dpkg's database of installed packages right? |
| 01:52.53 | Guerin | it's not ALL korea |
| 01:52.59 | karsten | cafuego: ...though setting an arbitrary reject rate would be good. |
| 01:53.02 | karsten | cafuego: Hrm. |
| 01:53.02 | cafuego | Guerin: YHBT |
| 01:53.17 | karsten | cafuego: Top 25 probably wouldn't be bad. |
| 01:53.19 | Guerin | cafuego: naw, have not |
| 01:53.35 | karsten | benjamindees: Yes. |
| 01:53.42 | cafuego | which retard is faxing my home phone :-/ |
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| 01:53.59 | karsten | cafuego: Helix? |
| 01:54.05 | mlots | Can I use growisofs to create an iso image? It seems to complain that the file doesn't exist... I'm going to try touching the image first... |
| 01:54.06 | karsten | cafuego: She's sending you here DL#. |
| 01:54.11 | cafuego | the fax number ends in 3, not 5. thankyou. |
| 01:54.17 | helix | huh? |
| 01:54.27 | karsten | helix: Chain-yanking. YBHT. |
| 01:54.44 | helix | I'm already off the chain, there's nothing to yank |
| 01:54.49 | abrotman | cafuego: duh .. the guy is sending you fax spam! |
| 01:54.51 | Guerin | hah |
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| 01:55.08 | mlots | touch won't work to create a file for growisofs |
| 01:55.10 | FieldySnuts | mlots: you use mkisofs to make the iso , and growisofs just burns it. |
| 01:55.10 | cafuego | abrotman: No, Dell know the right number. |
| 01:55.16 | Xenguy | karsten: YBHT? |
| 01:55.23 | nydust | any one here that are using limacute? |
| 01:55.23 | helix | you been had trolls |
| 01:55.26 | Guerin | Xenguy: you have been terminated |
| 01:55.27 | ledestin | mlots: your problem is wrong parameters, if you can make mkisofs work, you can make growisofs work. If you can't, you can't make work either. |
| 01:55.29 | abrotman | cafuego: wrong .. the database knows the right number .. the person dialing the phone is an idiot |
| 01:55.41 | Xenguy | helix Guerin tx |
| 01:55.43 | cafuego | abrotman: Dell does not employ persons. |
| 01:55.43 | nydust | ?limacute |
| 01:55.51 | abrotman | cafuego: just bots? |
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| 01:55.57 | mlots | Shouldn't I be able to make mkisofs work? Is there some special make dvd parameter? |
| 01:56.14 | benjamindees | mlots, growisofs |
| 01:56.21 | ledestin | mlots: start with making iso with mkisofs |
| 01:56.23 | FieldySnuts | mlots: no. mkisofs options -o blah.iso directory/ |
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| 01:56.34 | karsten | !tell Xenguy about yhbt |
| 01:56.38 | FieldySnuts | ledestin: he keeps passing filenames as th elast argument (wrong) |
| 01:56.55 | gteppel | Is there a way to tell apt-get install to install any recommended packages? |
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| 01:57.07 | deadcat | gteppel: use aptitude |
| 01:57.17 | deadcat | for that purpose |
| 01:57.22 | gteppel | deadcat: k |
| 01:57.29 | mlots | FieldySnuts: I did it with * instead of directory/ and it actually took the files, but in the image the files were the wrong size. |
| 01:57.37 | cafuego | abrotman: your 'l' is broken |
| 01:57.53 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:57.54 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:58.10 | abrotman | i'm strange |
| 01:58.12 | Jerub | I've got debian on my laptop, but now I need a wireless card, and I have no idea which one I should buy... |
| 01:58.14 | karsten | abrotman: Remember, what doesn't strange you makes you killer. |
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| 01:58.24 | Jerub | any recommendations? |
| 01:58.24 | nydust | everytime i do an apt-get i get some errors on perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C") why? |
| 01:58.25 | deadcat | abrotman: break the legs to show you mean business |
| 01:58.33 | karsten | abrotman: Are you the Boston Stranger? |
| 01:58.45 | karsten | deadcat: No, he'd break their egs. |
| 01:58.53 | deadcat | Jerub: any is good. prism chipsets are good. |
| 01:59.08 | abrotman | it's really not hard to run DNS |
| 01:59.10 | karsten | deadcat: You were bitching about links on my site? Works For Me[tm] |
| 01:59.26 | karsten | abrotman: Have you heard about djbdna? |
| 01:59.27 | deadcat | karsten: ya. links2 -g though |
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| 01:59.43 | cafuego | Jerub: keep in minbd manufacturers are known to change chipsets without chaning model or revision numbers on cards. |
| 01:59.44 | barretj | anyone here use Abiword? |
| 01:59.48 | cafuego | Jerub: Check www.prism54.org |
| 01:59.49 | karsten | abrotman: Replaces the double-helix with 30k dotfiles. |
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| 02:00.04 | barretj | i can't figure out how to enter text in the second column in two column mode |
| 02:00.26 | cafuego | barretj: insert a column break |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman | karsten: djb sucks :) |
| 02:00.41 | FieldySnuts | @fuck djb |
| 02:00.45 | shingouz | barretj: you just have to type the first column full and the cursor should move back up eventually in the other column |
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| 02:00.50 | abrotman | !djbsmite karsten |
| 02:00.56 | abrotman | what! .. no djbsmite ? |
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| 02:01.03 | barretj | oh, ok, cool, thanks shingouz! |
| 02:01.20 | shingouz | barretj: or the column break as cafuego said |
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| 02:01.49 | cafuego | !djbsmite abrotman |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman | !fuck comcast dns |
| 02:02.02 | barretj | man abiword beats the *&*^ out of open office writer |
| 02:02.07 | cafuego | !djbsmite abrotman |
| 02:02.08 | FieldySnuts | @hump ns2.comcast.net |
| 02:02.25 | abrotman | cafuego: much better :) |
| 02:02.31 | mlots | "mkisofs -R -v -o /mnt/hdd1/images.iso ." should create a dvd ok right? I wonder if my problem is with my 2.4 woody kernel not mounting the image correctly due to the old lfs issue. |
| 02:02.43 | deadcat | barretj: does abiword do spell check? |
| 02:02.55 | FieldySnuts | mlots: you need to be one directory below the files, then call the dir that way |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | do they have proxies for dns lookups ? |
| 02:03.03 | barretj | deadcat: yep |
| 02:03.14 | cafuego | Oo.org 2.0beta wants to change "Debian" to "Debi an" |
| 02:03.25 | deadcat | barretj: cool. 13m is better then 80m. fuck oo.org then |
| 02:03.37 | barretj | heh |
| 02:03.40 | deadcat | cafuego: whys that? |
| 02:03.43 | cafuego | abrotman: yes, they're called dns servers |
| 02:04.00 | barretj | if they want to put a space in it they should put it between the b and the i |
| 02:04.00 | cafuego | abrotman: bind can be daisychained |
| 02:04.03 | barretj | Deb ian |
| 02:04.10 | abrotman | cafuego: no . i mean to intercept mine |
| 02:04.11 | barretj | since thats what it really is anyway |
| 02:04.17 | nydust | how do i corect this perl: warning: Setting locale failed.? |
| 02:04.19 | cafuego | abrotman: just run yer own dns |
| 02:04.24 | abrotman | cafuego: no .. |
| 02:04.31 | cafuego | abrotman: it's easy |
| 02:04.41 | deadcat | barretj: thanks. abiword is faster startup too (=. all i need is word and a spell checker. heheh. |
| 02:04.44 | abrotman | cafuego: remember you gave me the MIT addy? .. nslookup irc.freenode.net <ipfrommit> .. fails |
| 02:04.47 | FieldySnuts | run your own caching dns server, and use forwards first and use other good fast dns servers to look there first |
| 02:04.55 | abrotman | cafuego: i have more than one at work . that's nto the problem |
| 02:05.03 | cafuego | abrotman: badness |
| 02:05.10 | abrotman | cafuego: duh .. that's why i asked :) |
| 02:05.14 | mlots | FieldySnuts: I find it suspecious that it takes the file name properly the other two ways, but only properly copies the data the way you mention. Still, I'll try it. |
| 02:05.23 | deadcat | barretj: and the ms word thing works too right? |
| 02:05.29 | barretj | ms word? |
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| 02:05.37 | deadcat | barretj: .doc thing |
| 02:05.46 | barretj | oh, yea i use it to edit .doc files all the time |
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| 02:06.07 | abrotman | $ nslookup irc.freenode.net 18.71.0.151 |
| 02:06.07 | abrotman | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | bah .. what a pain |
| 02:06.29 | barretj | also, gnumeric is a nice replacement for oo.Org calc |
| 02:06.34 | FieldySnuts | 18.71.0.151 i use that, no problems at all |
| 02:06.41 | FieldySnuts | try this instead 141.217.1.15 |
| 02:06.59 | ethics | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 02:07.00 | ethics | Name: irc.freenode.net |
| 02:07.00 | ethics | Addresses: 217.172.187.182, 82.96.64.2, 85.188.1.26, 140.211.166.3 |
| 02:07.00 | ethics | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:07.12 | FieldySnuts | @smite ethics |
| 02:07.13 | deadcat | barretj: bc is good enough for that. i just dont want to download 80mb for the upgrade just to use word. never touch the other shits oo.org comes with |
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| 02:07.19 | abrotman | no shit . comcast is fucked up |
| 02:07.25 | abrotman | ethics: thanks .. i knew that already |
| 02:07.25 | barretj | bc? |
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| 02:07.27 | ethics | bah that was only 2 lines!!!! |
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| 02:07.32 | FieldySnuts | it was 4+ |
| 02:07.37 | barretj | bc is totally different from oo.Org calc |
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| 02:07.46 | barretj | oo.Org calc is a spreadsheet program |
| 02:07.52 | deadcat | ah |
| 02:07.52 | ethics | 2 on my screen...hidden escape characters |
| 02:07.57 | helix | ooh, someone who uses different from |
| 02:07.58 | FieldySnuts | user error |
| 02:08.16 | aum | help - my exim4 (debian testing) is stuck in a loop, got 2 inbound messages in its queue and keeps duplicating those messages in my inbox - how do i purge exim's queue and prevent future loops? |
| 02:08.20 | abrotman | admires what? |
| 02:08.39 | buu | HELIX |
| 02:08.39 | barretj | aum, did you try /etc/init.d/exim4 restart ? |
| 02:08.56 | aum | barretj: yes, first thing i tried, but when i restart it the loop starts again |
| 02:09.06 | barretj | damn, thats not good |
| 02:09.13 | aum | how do i purge exim's queues? |
| 02:09.38 | abrotman | #exim |
| 02:09.45 | sether | hello people |
| 02:09.47 | xam | abrotman: I think she wanted to say that someone joined whose username != nick |
| 02:09.47 | ethics | aum: arnt they under /var/mail... |
| 02:09.56 | mlots | aum: I'm checking |
| 02:10.13 | abrotman | xam: like that never happens |
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| 02:10.19 | deadcat | barretj: why is that oo.org seems more popular than abiword? |
| 02:10.22 | _joey | hi |
| 02:10.28 | Xenguy | aum: something like -> exim -Mrm <message ID #> |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | xam: see |
| 02:10.31 | aum | thx guys - desperate situation - exim is dup'ing those messages into my inbox at rate of 1000/hour |
| 02:10.33 | xam | abrotman: yeah. women are strange. |
| 02:10.39 | barretj | deadcat: maybe because it has the backing of a major corporation |
| 02:10.43 | abrotman | xam: really? |
| 02:10.44 | deadcat | k |
| 02:10.48 | karsten | deadcat: Better press, more complete MSFT compatibility. |
| 02:10.52 | karsten | deadcat: but far more bloated. |
| 02:10.57 | deadcat | karsten: ya. (= |
| 02:11.03 | barretj | aum: try /etc/init.d/exim4 stop && runq && /etc/init.d/exim4 start |
| 02:11.06 | Xenguy | aum: sorry I don't know any more hi-tech method |
| 02:11.12 | ethics | aum: could report yourself to yourself for spamming yourself.... |
| 02:11.14 | cafuego | deadcat: AbiWord can't display most MS Word files. |
| 02:11.24 | mlots | aum: On woody I use mailq |
| 02:11.27 | deadcat | cafuego: but barretj said... |
| 02:11.30 | cafuego | deadcat: And although I TRY telling all my clienst to not use MS word, they won't listen |
| 02:11.33 | bbrazil | aum: procmail, it has stuff for duped messageids |
| 02:11.39 | abrotman | god .. how bad can you fuck up dns |
| 02:11.43 | abrotman | brb |
| 02:11.49 | sether | im new to debian, and im trynig to get X to recognize a USB mouse. X errors, saying it cant open /dev/psaux. ive tried /dev/sysmouse and /dev/mouse as well |
| 02:11.52 | deadcat | cafuego: because you dont have a MCSE? (= |
| 02:11.54 | xam | abrotman: http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,31500-13327457,00.html |
| 02:11.55 | sether | any suggestions? |
| 02:12.05 | barretj | sether: try /dev/input/mice |
| 02:12.06 | cafuego | deadcat: i 8do* have an MCSE, I said so last week. |
| 02:12.13 | deadcat | ah |
| 02:12.15 | xam | abrotman: I *knew* it |
| 02:12.23 | cafuego | deadcat: He's preserved in alcohol |
| 02:12.35 | deadcat | haahha |
| 02:12.52 | sether | barretj: thank you! that worked |
| 02:12.54 | mlots | mailq -bp to print the message id's |
| 02:12.56 | alan_ | ok. trinux is useless, it couldn't mount any paritions |
| 02:13.09 | deadcat | sether: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select /dev/input/mice |
| 02:13.12 | alan_ | the debian rescue floppy could boot with /dev/hda2 as root |
| 02:13.19 | alan_ | but it never got to a shell |
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| 02:13.54 | abrotman_ | xam: what? |
| 02:14.07 | mlots | mailq -bt to test an address |
| 02:14.18 | abrotman_ | aw crap .. i have a tail |
| 02:14.19 | alan_ | how can i use the debian rescue floppy to fix my lilo? |
| 02:14.53 | xam | abrotman: I mean the first paragraph of the article I posted a link to |
| 02:15.15 | abrotman | xam: yes . i need the link again |
| 02:15.28 | mlots | mailq -M might work to change where the message is going... |
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| 02:15.37 | xam | abrotman: http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,31500-13327457,00.html |
| 02:15.53 | alan_ | dondelelcaro: help please. i can't get the debian rescue floppy to work. |
| 02:16.12 | ethics | alan_: how do you mean fix lilo...as in you screwed up the conf lines or as in lilo doesnt even prompts? |
| 02:16.32 | alan_ | ethics: i upgraded from stable to testing, and upon reboot i get the "LI" thing with no go |
| 02:16.41 | karsten | alan_: Boot the installer. If there's a "rescue" option, select it. |
| 02:17.01 | BadMan | what is a floppy? |
| 02:17.04 | BadMan | 8-) |
| 02:17.05 | karsten | alan_: Otherwise, start the installer but go to 2nd VC (<alt><F2>) immediately, You've got a shell there. |
| 02:17.07 | alan_ | karsten: i put in the floppy, typed "rescue root=/dev/hda2", it went through the motions of booting, and stopped |
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| 02:17.22 | karsten | alan_: Just boot the installer. |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | xam: that was in time magazine i think |
| 02:17.31 | karsten | alan_: Mount your root partition. |
| 02:17.33 | ethics | alan_: thats a driver missing i think.....from memory if lilo only gets 2 leters up or something it is a hardware/driver issue.. |
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| 02:17.37 | holo_ | hi |
| 02:18.05 | karsten | alan_: say: mkdir /mnt/target; mount -t <filesystem> /dev/hda2 /mnt/target' |
| 02:18.09 | holo_ | can i make an iptable question? since everyone in #iptables is sleeping or ignoring me :s |
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| 02:18.13 | nydust | i need the this file mod_ssl.so where do i get it? i have instaled apache-ssl |
| 02:18.17 | karsten | alan_: ...then 'cd /mnt/target; chroot .' |
| 02:18.17 | sparr_ | whats the name of the kde file manager binary? |
| 02:18.22 | karsten | alan_: ...the run 'lilo' |
| 02:18.22 | ethics | alan_ but it's been about 3 years since i read lilo pages....im grubby now |
| 02:18.29 | abrotman | sparr_: konqueror ? |
| 02:18.33 | alan_ | ok i'll try that karsten |
| 02:18.38 | karsten | alan_: If that's not working, report back. |
| 02:18.40 | xam | abrotman anyway, I'm off to bed, fecking tired |
| 02:18.45 | ethics | sparr+ konqorer or somethign close |
| 02:18.53 | abrotman | later |
| 02:18.58 | xam | cu |
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| 02:21.44 | sparr_ | I need a file manager that will display files like this, i know theres a konqueror extension for it, http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/Graphics/ScreenSHSq1a.jpg |
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| 02:22.05 | Glitch_Master | Um... |
| 02:22.10 | abrotman | sparr_: did you try asking #debian-kde? |
| 02:22.41 | Glitch_Master | Where are those dpkg dumps that are put aside prior to installation but never deleted (sort of like backups that take up space)? |
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| 02:22.56 | cafuego | sparr_: There's a nice filesystem visualisation thingie, search linuxjournal articles. |
| 02:22.59 | abrotman | Glitch_Master: huh? |
| 02:23.37 | Glitch_Master | abrotman: when installing a package via apt-get and whatnot, it leaves the package file behind in a set directory. These do nothing, but take up precious space quickly. |
| 02:23.51 | holo_ | any iptables gurus? |
| 02:24.05 | cafuego | AH, what is nicer then invoicing a client for a new Debian install |
| 02:24.18 | dan2 | cafuego, abrotman: ahoy |
| 02:24.20 | abrotman | Glitch_Master: /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 02:24.23 | Xenguy | sparr_: checkout 'filelight' |
| 02:24.25 | abrotman | dan2: you're alive |
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| 02:24.40 | dan2 | abrotman: me vs. the memory leak, round 32 |
| 02:24.46 | Glitch_Master | abrotman: Ah. Thank you. I had forgotten the location. I should have thought of "archives"... |
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| 02:24.56 | abrotman | dan2: stop using C ? |
| 02:25.07 | dan2 | abrotman: C++ |
| 02:25.15 | cafuego | dan2: apt-get install electricfence |
| 02:25.19 | dan2 | abrotman: its not even a real memory leak, but someoen fucked up their allocator |
| 02:25.22 | dan2 | cafuego: ^ |
| 02:25.26 | dan2 | for instance |
| 02:25.42 | dan2 | 2094616 != 8*172 |
| 02:25.46 | cafuego | or stop using C++ and use a real language instead |
| 02:25.57 | abrotman | dan2: you mean you? |
| 02:25.59 | Glitch_Master | Damn you Nautilus! |
| 02:26.04 | dan2 | cafuego: the sad fact is the problem isn't in my code, but in the support library |
| 02:26.06 | holo_ | cafuego: what is a real language? |
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| 02:26.12 | cafuego | holo_: dutch |
| 02:26.18 | dan2 | abrotman: no, its in a support library I'm using |
| 02:26.23 | Glitch_Master | I wish I knew a better, highly-similar file browser/navigator thing... |
| 02:26.31 | BadMan | in a hosts file, is it formatted as so nbname separate by spce or tab followed by ip address? |
| 02:26.31 | abrotman | dan2: i always blame that too |
| 02:26.31 | holo_ | cafuego: :s i was asking for formal languages |
| 02:26.42 | cafuego | holo_: What's informal about dutch? |
| 02:26.48 | dan2 | abrotman: I have proof |
| 02:27.00 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:27.00 | cafuego | BadMan: ip fqdn alias alias alias |
| 02:27.00 | zignig | abrotman: blame cananda ! |
| 02:27.02 | kaplanfx | any ibm laptop gurus in here? |
| 02:27.06 | holo_ | cafuego: it doesn't come with a compiler :p |
| 02:27.09 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 02:27.12 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 02:27.31 | abrotman | dan2: that's cute ... |
| 02:27.43 | cafuego | holo_: I have one right in my head. Werkt nog prima, ook. |
| 02:27.46 | dan2 | !sing canada sucks |
| 02:28.00 | dan2 | !sing blame bush |
| 02:28.07 | holo_ | cafuego: nao percebi nada mas ta bem :p |
| 02:28.09 | abrotman | !sing suck bush |
| 02:28.12 | BadMan | cafuego: this is for local network, i want to add each host on network in the host |
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| 02:28.20 | cafuego | holo_: Nao falo portuguese |
| 02:28.38 | dan2 | cafuego: you hear about the new linux pipes built around circular buffers |
| 02:28.38 | cafuego | BadMan: bind9 with dynamic updates is easy |
| 02:28.43 | dan2 | cafuego: 1.5GB/s |
| 02:28.52 | BadMan | ok, will look into it. |
| 02:29.18 | d0ugie | can apt get me a program that converts an access.log's visitor IPs into their host names |
| 02:29.51 | Wyzard | d0ugie: If nothing else, it can get you Perl :-) |
| 02:30.06 | cafuego | d0ugie: most do. I use webalizer. |
| 02:30.42 | d0ugie | cafuego: is there a flag or option to tell it to look them all up? on default at least mine doesn't bother |
| 02:30.44 | Glitch_Master | Am I doing something horribly wrong, cafuego? |
| 02:31.28 | cafuego | d0ugie: I run mine via a cuystom cron.daily script that calls it as 'webazolver' first and dumps all Ips to cache. |
| 02:31.31 | alan_ | thanks karsten, worked a charm :) |
| 02:31.31 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: not at all |
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| 02:35.41 | |XO2| | fuck the comcast dns servers are down AGAIN! |
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| 02:36.25 | barretj | |X02| try this dns server 144.118.24.20 |
| 02:36.32 | barretj | if they let you |
| 02:36.38 | barretj | thats the one at my college, lol |
| 02:37.20 | FieldySnuts | @evict test |
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| 02:38.30 | Glitch_Master | Pine. |
| 02:38.32 | Glitch_Master | Why did I reconnect? o.O |
| 02:38.34 | Glitch_Master | Um.. |
| 02:38.36 | Glitch_Master | Bye, now. |
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| 02:39.14 | cafuego | [12:35] + Glitch_Master has quit [Remote closed the connection] |
| 02:39.38 | dalbury | for the love of everyrthing please someone tell me a way I can get my debian to boot into a non gui screen and not be in run level 1 or have to remove the gui itself |
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| 02:39.50 | FieldySnuts | don't start your damn dm |
| 02:39.59 | dalbury | isnt there a config file that tells it wether to load or not to load? |
| 02:40.16 | dalbury | how do I do that? |
| 02:40.21 | barretj | rm -f /etc/rc?.d/*dm |
| 02:40.28 | dalbury | hahah lol |
| 02:40.30 | FieldySnuts | uh NO |
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| 02:40.41 | ledestin | dalbury: boot to runlevel 2 |
| 02:40.52 | Wyzard | dalbury: Put "exit 0" at the beginning of /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 02:40.56 | Wyzard | ledestin: 2 is the default |
| 02:40.59 | dalbury | unfortunately I am in runlevel 2 with a GUI NOW |
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| 02:41.13 | barretj | run this: rm -f /etc/rc?.d/*dm |
| 02:41.20 | FieldySnuts | stop that |
| 02:41.22 | FieldySnuts | do not do that |
| 02:41.28 | barretj | why? |
| 02:41.33 | Wyzard | barretj: Please do not advocate deleting conffiles |
| 02:41.34 | barretj | whats wrong with that? |
| 02:41.34 | FieldySnuts | fucking moron. |
| 02:41.34 | dalbury | i ALREADY LOLED THAT BARRET |
| 02:41.40 | barretj | those are links |
| 02:41.47 | barretj | symlinks |
| 02:41.49 | Wyzard | barretj: First of all, use update-rc.d for that sort of thing |
| 02:41.58 | dalbury | barret I am dumb not a freaking retard |
| 02:42.00 | jesuitx | SERIOUSLY, WHATS WRONG WITH REMOVING LINUX, THAT MAKES THE SYSTEM LESS COMMUNIST |
| 02:42.07 | FieldySnuts | @lart jesuitx |
| 02:42.10 | cafuego | !icbm jesuitx |
| 02:42.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jesuitx [at 58.0S 21.9E] |
| 02:42.17 | Wyzard | dalbury: Why do you want to have a DM installed if you don't want to use it though? |
| 02:42.17 | Xenguy | !lart jesuitx |
| 02:42.19 | FieldySnuts | icbm?! |
| 02:42.21 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
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| 02:42.30 | jesuitx | WOW |
| 02:42.33 | jesuitx | THATS SOME RETORT |
| 02:42.34 | jesuitx | LOL |
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| 02:42.43 | FieldySnuts | who the hell was that |
| 02:42.50 | mlots | How do I search in emacs? |
| 02:42.58 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: doesn't matter. just some random tard |
| 02:43.03 | buu | helix! |
| 02:43.04 | Xenguy | helix: thank ya, thank ya very much |
| 02:43.05 | FieldySnuts | lotta fucknuts tonight, is this sunday? |
| 02:43.10 | dalbury | fieldy snuts can u type that over agian please it already went past my screen |
| 02:43.11 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: yes |
| 02:43.16 | helix | gee, more /msg harassment |
| 02:43.20 | FieldySnuts | why did I have to work, then :( |
| 02:43.27 | Xenguy | mlots: s ? |
| 02:43.27 | buu | helix: From what/ |
| 02:43.29 | FieldySnuts | helix: anything juicy? |
| 02:43.32 | helix | no |
| 02:43.34 | FieldySnuts | darn |
| 02:43.36 | cafuego | helix: umode +CE |
| 02:43.44 | helix | cafuego: whassat? |
| 02:43.56 | cafuego | helix: only accepts msgs and ctcp from identified users |
| 02:43.57 | Xenguy | mlots: (just a shot - I only use emacs very occasionally) |
| 02:44.02 | dalbury | wyzard I am trying to run the nvidia installer |
| 02:44.09 | cafuego | helix: means they need to reg ebfore then can bitch & moan |
| 02:44.14 | dalbury | and it complains about having the gui running |
| 02:44.20 | liable | to stop kernel logs coming up on my console (particularly while using irssi) I use 'sysctl kernel.printk=1' ???? |
| 02:44.20 | helix | ah |
| 02:44.22 | cafuego | dalbury: Don't run the nvidia installer |
| 02:44.22 | FieldySnuts | third google result for "jesuitx" is a gn double A page... |
| 02:44.38 | cafuego | !tell dalbury -about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:44.39 | Wyzard | dalbury: Then switch to a console (ctrl-alt-F1), log in, and stop it from running (/etc/init.d/gdm stop) |
| 02:44.40 | mlots | buffer is read only. I can't even figure out how to get emacs's help. |
| 02:44.44 | ledestin | dalbury: have GUI configured to run at runlevel 3. Boot runlevel 2. |
| 02:44.44 | dalbury | well how do I get a driver installed on my debian? |
| 02:44.55 | cafuego | dalbury: See the message dpkg just sent you? |
| 02:44.55 | Wyzard | dalbury: And don't use the nvidia installer... use the package |
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| 02:45.04 | BadMan | cafuego: with my setup dls router/firewalled/dsl(does local nat) modem attached to switch witha ll ssytem either using wifi or hardwired into swtich, there is no "master" persay.. is bind9 right for a setup like this or overkill? |
| 02:45.22 | ledestin | dalbury: or simpli stop the dm you use, it's better for your case. |
| 02:45.41 | cafuego | BadMan: bind9 is never overkill, always nice ;-) |
| 02:45.45 | mlots | C-h C-h |
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| 02:45.47 | Wyzard | BadMan: I have a similar setup and I run bind9 on my router |
| 02:46.01 | BadMan | ok will give it a go then |
| 02:46.14 | dalbury | I dont see a message from dpkg |
| 02:46.30 | Wyzard | dalbury: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 02:46.32 | cafuego | dalbury: it did send you one, though. |
| 02:46.39 | BadMan | !tell dalbury about nvidia |
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| 02:47.36 | FieldySnuts | @dachs dalbury |
| 02:47.43 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 02:47.43 | ravenbird | niihau |
| 02:47.48 | dalbury | READ BTS |
| 02:48.14 | Guerin | dalbury: that's really good advice |
| 02:48.47 | BadMan | I see alot of stuff in the woody -> sarge upgrade on wifes comp that I dont remember seeing on mine during a net install |
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| 02:49.09 | Guerin | BadMan: dist-upgrade brings in new packages to satisfy deps |
| 02:49.26 | dalbury | so install the comcast one? |
| 02:49.33 | BadMan | understandable but what is mzscheme ? |
| 02:49.40 | dalbury | err read the comcast guide? |
| 02:49.40 | Wyzard | comcast what? |
| 02:49.47 | BadMan | !tell dalbury about nvidia-howto |
| 02:49.50 | Wyzard | dalbury: Comcast has nothing to do with nVIdia... |
| 02:50.13 | BadMan | i think he was referring to the url mentioned |
| 02:50.18 | dalbury | yes the url |
| 02:50.18 | Wyzard | BadMan: If she has an existing installation of woody, she probably has more software installed than what was put there by default... you're probably just seeing those optional packages being upgraded |
| 02:50.28 | BadMan | dalbury: yes use the link that takes you toa comcast members homepage |
| 02:50.39 | dalbury | cool thanks ill try that |
| 02:50.40 | BadMan | I jsut put it there today hehe |
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| 02:50.46 | dalbury | bye |
| 02:50.48 | dalbury | exit |
| 02:51.15 | Wyzard | badblody: Did you choose to install any "tasks" (desktop system, development workstation, etc.) when you installed woody? |
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| 02:51.19 | Wyzard | oops |
| 02:51.21 | Wyzard | BadMan: ^^^ |
| 02:51.27 | abrotman | xenogears! |
| 02:51.37 | liable | there is no man page for printk and the sysctl man page seems a bit lacking, any help for this command? |
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| 02:51.47 | abrotman | man -k printk .. no results ? |
| 02:51.53 | Wyzard | abrotman: Gotta finish FF3 first, and I spent most of yesterday (after getting home from work) playing that |
| 02:52.14 | BadMan | Wyzard: desktop |
| 02:52.17 | abrotman | xenogears!!!! |
| 02:52.27 | liable | abrotman: nothing appropriate it says |
| 02:52.35 | asuffield | abrotman: xeno*saga* |
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| 02:52.49 | abrotman | liable: same here |
| 02:52.50 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm at the point where I *could* go straight to Kefka's tower, but there are one or two more side quests that I want to do first, and then build everyone up so they have all the spells |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | ah well |
| 02:53.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: just beat the game! |
| 02:53.04 | Wyzard | asuffield: No, I recently bought Xenogears so I can replay it, to get the story fresh in my mind before I play Xenosaga |
| 02:53.09 | abrotman | asuffield: duh :) |
| 02:53.12 | peterS | xenogears? is that a new opengl benchmark? |
| 02:53.14 | ledestin | Wyzard: is FF3 freeware now |
| 02:53.23 | asuffield | Wyzard: xenosaga starts the story over from scratch, and is just a better game |
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| 02:53.35 | Guerin | or any other game with more cutscenes than play, really |
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| 02:53.57 | asuffield | Guerin: "more cutscenes than play"? a typical FF game has about 5 hours of cutscenes and about 500 hours of play |
| 02:54.08 | Guerin | asuffield: oh, ok. |
| 02:54.11 | Wyzard | ledestin: No, I'm technically pirating it, but considering that it's pretty much impossible to find anyway, I don't think Square would mind too much |
| 02:54.17 | Guerin | it's clearly a subjective response. |
| 02:54.26 | Pendragon | quick ? `cvs ci` commits everything from there down, `cvs -f ci` forces a commit, but when I type cvs ci again there are still files in the list |
| 02:54.32 | Pendragon | like they aren't getting commited |
| 02:54.46 | dottedquad | how would i use wget to download a file to a specific directory? |
| 02:54.52 | Wyzard | abrotman: btw, when I was in Best Buy the other day (and picked up FFX), I discovered that they don't have Xenosaga in stock anymore... I should've bought it back in December when I saw it there |
| 02:55.00 | dottedquad | just cd to the directory and use wget? |
| 02:55.08 | asuffield | the thing about final fantasy is that the games are fucking HUGE |
| 02:55.17 | mlots | What a waste of time... mkisofs did the same thing... |
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| 02:55.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: try circuit city |
| 02:55.52 | peterS | Pendragon: odd. cvs ci always commits everything for me |
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| 02:56.02 | Wyzard | abrotman: I will... just need to get around to it |
| 02:56.03 | asuffield | you pretty much have to get xenosaga mail order nowadays |
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| 02:56.12 | Thanatermesis | please, any person check this link with mplayer and look after 10 seconds to have or not have stills ? ----> mms://drtvstream.dubaitv.gov.ae/video/sport/news_h.wmv |
| 02:56.15 | mlots | himm df -h shows size 4.4 used 4.5... |
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| 02:56.20 | Wyzard | asuffield: Lovely... after I just did that with Xenogears, and received it yesterday |
| 02:56.28 | ledestin | Wyzard: how do you play it? I've found a smc file |
| 02:56.33 | abrotman | Wyzard: also .. toys r us is right there |
| 02:56.36 | asuffield | it's unfortunately problematic. and it was never released in EU, which means I have even more fun trying to play the damn thing |
| 02:56.47 | Wyzard | ledestin: zsnes and a rom, yes |
| 02:56.47 | abrotman | asuffield: mail order or ebay? |
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| 02:57.00 | asuffield | getting xenosaga to run on an EU playstation involves the use of a dual layer DVD burner |
| 02:57.11 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 02:57.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: they have it at amazon |
| 02:57.17 | asuffield | abrotman: I got it from a canadian mail order company |
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| 02:57.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: I think I'll try the Wal-Mart in Exton first |
| 02:57.38 | abrotman | asuffield: you're in .uk .. |
| 02:57.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: or target! .. |
| 02:57.51 | asuffield | abrotman: yes. there is no EU release. |
| 02:58.04 | abrotman | asuffield: weird .. guess you guys don't like japan or something |
| 02:58.16 | peterS | abrotman: or vice versa (: |
| 02:58.25 | asuffield | abrotman: playstation games are released first in japan, then us, then eu |
| 02:58.25 | dottedquad | ok nvm i figured it out |
| 02:58.33 | abrotman | peterS: honestly .. who likes the brits ? :) |
| 02:58.41 | asuffield | they are repeatedly revised during this process. we get more stable games, later |
| 02:58.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: I got my copy of Chrono Cross at Wal-Mart (3 years ago, but still long after it was released) and it was in a big cabinet of Greatest Hits PSX games, so I'm hoping they'll have something similar for PS2 nowadays |
| 02:58.50 | peterS | abrotman: the ones I've actually met I like just fine |
| 02:58.58 | asuffield | xenosaga's one of only three playstation games ever released on dual-layer DVD, and dual-layer disks are unfortunately pretty broken on the playstation 2 |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | peterS: i was joking :) |
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| 02:59.12 | peterS | I know (: |
| 02:59.16 | asuffield | xenosaga 2 is actually released on multiple single-layer DVDs instead |
| 02:59.30 | Wyzard | hmm... does that apply to the redesigned PS2 as well? |
| 02:59.31 | asuffield | they had so much trouble with it in the US, that they just gave up on making an EU release |
| 02:59.40 | asuffield | Wyzard: it's a BIOS issue. they're all the same |
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| 02:59.46 | Wyzard | :-/ |
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| 03:00.55 | asuffield | the problem is, more or less, that the dual layer spec wasn't even out when the playstation 2 development system was frozen |
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| 03:01.09 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
| 03:01.18 | asuffield | so they guessed, and badly. games have to do hoop-jumping to try and make it work |
| 03:01.27 | dottedquad | i download the fglrx-installer tar.gz and the dsc file into a directory using wget.. then i'm using dpkg-source -x fglrx-installer_8.12.10-1.dsc and it's saing failure: cannot read ./fglrx-installer_8.12.10-1.tar.gz: No such file or directory.. but i know it's in there... i'm using that unpack the .tar |
| 03:01.59 | asuffield | the most practical way to deal with the problem is to burn the damn thing onto a dvd+r and use a swap disk |
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| 03:02.38 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 03:02.39 | dpkg | it has been said that ati debs is http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 03:02.40 | asuffield | takes contortions to generate the filesystem to burn, though |
| 03:03.08 | Wyzard | Ah, so they exist, just not in the official archive |
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| 03:03.32 | _joey | Wyzard custom built package for fglrx on apt-get.org |
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| 03:03.47 | _joey | download *.rpm from ati.com and run alien |
| 03:03.53 | _joey | that's what I did |
| 03:04.15 | Wyzard | I've never quite trusted alien enough to use it |
| 03:04.27 | _joey | well, it worked for me |
| 03:04.36 | Wyzard | It'll convert the package format, sure, but what about dependencies which have different names in Debian than in whatever distro the RPM was made for? |
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| 03:04.45 | dottedquad | i'm following the directions on that page and i used dpkg-source -x fglrx-installer_8.12.10-1.dsc and it's saying it can't find the tar file and it's in the same directory as dsc |
| 03:05.05 | _joey | 3d is supported with fglrx, if you don't need it use open source drivers |
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| 03:05.10 | Thanatermesis | please, any person check this link with mplayer and look after 10 seconds to have or not have stills ? ----> mms://drtvstream.dubaitv.gov.ae/video/sport/news_h.wmv |
| 03:05.16 | xai | Is therea binary mysql-server package that has ssl support ? |
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| 03:05.49 | gloin | eh |
| 03:05.54 | gloin | what's up with the us mirror tonight? |
| 03:06.13 | _joey | Wyzard no dependencies |
| 03:06.18 | gloin | 0% [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org (204.152.189.120)] |
| 03:06.23 | gloin | for ever |
| 03:06.29 | _joey | probably statically built module |
| 03:06.37 | peterS | xai: last I knew that was problematic because mysql linked with openssl which doesn't have a GPL-compatible license |
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| 03:06.53 | mlots | gloin: traceroute 204.152.189.120 show anything? |
| 03:07.17 | xai | peterS: argh.. thanks for the info. i wanted to use ssl over my replicated mysql servers. |
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| 03:07.48 | xai | peterS: compile-o-rama. |
| 03:07.55 | peterS | xai: if the debian packages aren't compiled with ssl support, that'll be why |
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| 03:08.10 | gloin | mlots: had to install it |
| 03:08.19 | d0ugie | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.45 | _joey | fglrx 244156 9, only 240K I heard that nvidia's binary is bloated :) |
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| 03:09.10 | gloin | mlots: it's dying at a dallas level3.net and a sanjose level3.net hop |
| 03:09.18 | mlots | tcptraceroute? |
| 03:09.35 | mlots | internet health website maybe? |
| 03:09.42 | gloin | meh |
| 03:09.47 | gloin | will use a friend's mirror |
| 03:09.48 | peterS | how can a tier-1 internet presence call itself Level3, anyway? |
| 03:09.56 | mlots | I'd try to see if there was another IP or use a different mirror. |
| 03:10.15 | mlots | layers? after a movie? some other reference? |
| 03:10.17 | dottedquad | ok what's the command to see what version of X86free i have? |
| 03:10.24 | peterS | dottedquad: head /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:10.52 | dottedquad | thx |
| 03:11.05 | _joey | X -version |
| 03:11.18 | peterS | or that |
| 03:11.34 | mlots | or dpkg -S startx might work |
| 03:12.23 | peterS | mlots: nah, you'd have to perform a dpkg -l query just after that |
| 03:12.30 | asuffield | peterS: it's based on the (grossly obsolete) OSI network model, as in "We don't do anything above layer 3". a pretty good description of the company really |
| 03:12.31 | dottedquad | ahh so far so good.. next i gotta unpack the rpm and install it |
| 03:12.36 | dottedquad | wish me luck |
| 03:12.37 | dottedquad | lol |
| 03:12.40 | peterS | asuffield: oh, I see |
| 03:12.54 | asuffield | (the OSI network model *lost* to the Internet) |
| 03:13.17 | peterS | did OSI ever actually have a stack and protocol suite? or was it always just a model? |
| 03:13.34 | asuffield | it was a model describing a number of protocols, of which TCP/IP was not one |
| 03:13.42 | peterS | I haven't heard of the actual protocol suite, except oblique references from the days of IPng thinking about having to compete with it |
| 03:13.48 | asuffield | shit like IPX and SNA |
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| 03:14.04 | asuffield | it died when the internet took off, and obliterated all the competing protocols |
| 03:14.19 | peterS | right, I know about the model. but some people talk like it was also a concrete protocol suite |
| 03:14.27 | asuffield | nah, it's a group of protocols |
| 03:14.43 | asuffield | yeah, LDAP is from the Other Side |
| 03:14.43 | vortek | any one good with resolv.conf I can ping ip adress fine all day no packet loss. But my google.com and other domains will not ping all the time and mtr shows lots of packet loss. I think I may have my resolve.conf set up wrong |
| 03:15.05 | asuffield | all the stuff based on X.500 is. this includes LDAP, SSL, and XML |
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| 03:15.17 | asuffield | no great surprise that all of this stuff is disgusting and pretty broken |
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| 03:16.11 | vortek | In other words I can ping ip's fine But I can't ping domain names 98 % of the time. |
| 03:16.19 | _joey | if ever read cisco docs, all their products rerferenced to OSI model |
| 03:16.22 | dottedquad | how would i unpack a rpm? |
| 03:16.36 | _joey | eg switch is layer 2 device, route is layer 3 device etc |
| 03:16.41 | BadMan | I think Iwould have been better off doing a net-inst from my rc3 image.... this upgrade woody -> sarge looks like more shit than what it was worth... been a hell of a lot longer than it took to get this box setup and bugs worked out of it |
| 03:16.44 | asuffield | _joey: cisco are notorious for having a delusional and pretty inaccurate notion of how the internet works. most of their training materials are, umm... wrong |
| 03:16.50 | peterS | _joey: everyone in networking courses and documentation refers to the OSI layers. they still don't match the real world. |
| 03:16.50 | d0ugie | so .. ballpark .. how many daily unique ip visits would you need to your cool hot women pictures website in order for it to break even and pay for its $50/month dsl bill with typical advertising strategies? |
| 03:17.01 | BadMan | more shit with errors than I have error seen... |
| 03:17.33 | peterS | _joey: actually, if you constrain yourself to layers 1 through 3, they do describe the world well enough to use for TCP/IP |
| 03:17.44 | _joey | yeah |
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| 03:17.47 | _joey | it's just a model |
| 03:17.52 | _joey | model is the keyworc |
| 03:17.55 | asuffield | peterS: except that TCP and IP both lie across layer boundaries |
| 03:17.55 | Wyzard | BadMan: There probably hasn't been a lot of upgrade testing yet, since sarge is still a moving target |
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| 03:18.11 | vortek | Actualy I can't even ping no domains period |
| 03:18.17 | asuffield | (it's quite entertaining that cisco certificates are held in such high regard, since they are primarily gained by memorising a large quantity of slightly inaccurate information which will prove useless in the real world) |
| 03:18.29 | d0ugie | my estimate is around 30 thousand |
| 03:18.40 | d0ugie | for well targeted ads |
| 03:18.49 | BadMan | I dont even rember whsoe idea it was they told me to do that on here as well.. I eventually said screw it cfdisked the whoel theing and did netinstallf rom scratchw ithout a htich |
| 03:18.58 | _joey | http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/ <-- interesting open source patch called layer 7 :) |
| 03:19.06 | _joey | or an application layer |
| 03:19.23 | vortek | Is it possible to use dhcp and use resolv.conf ? |
| 03:19.28 | BadMan | so now I am doing a sareg net inst |
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| 03:19.39 | holycow | hey |
| 03:19.39 | peterS | d0ugie: you can't host hot women on a $50 DSL line around here. not enough upstream bandwidth for that sort of thing. maybe you can in some places |
| 03:19.47 | holycow | anyone here know the relationship between v / h refresh rates and resoultions in x? how do i manually force x to go to a particular resolution and particular refresh rate for it? |
| 03:19.57 | helix | peterS: my dsl hosts me just fine, tyvm |
| 03:20.12 | holycow | there must be a variable in some text file somewhere that tells x what current res and refresh rates are for the current session? |
| 03:20.12 | asuffield | helix: he said *hot* |
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| 03:20.23 | helix | dude, I'm in florida. I am *always* hot |
| 03:20.36 | peterS | helix: not so, you live at like 65 degrees when you get your way |
| 03:20.40 | asuffield | I don't think that's quite what he meant. unless you're so hot that you took all your clothes off |
| 03:20.58 | Wyzard | holycow: XFree86 has all the VESA modes built-in, so you can just specify a mode name like "1024x768" and X will use the best version (read: highest refresh rate) that's within your monitor's capabilities |
| 03:21.11 | helix | so maybe we need a proper delineation |
| 03:21.15 | _joey | peterS it doesn't matter what model you use as long as you find it easy to descirbe the concepts |
| 03:21.30 | peterS | looks ok from here |
| 03:21.30 | Wyzard | holycow: If you want to write your own custom modes, look for the "XFree86 Video Timings HOWTO" (I think that's what it's called... it's written by Eric Raymond, if that's any help) |
| 03:21.41 | peterS | so I guess your $50 DSL line didn't mangle the spelling |
| 03:21.56 | holycow | Wyzard, okay, but if i select a particular resolution and particular refresh rate via gnome preferences dialog ... how does x know what the 'current res/refresh' are then? |
| 03:21.57 | abrotman | helix: i agree! |
| 03:22.35 | asuffield | and don't 'dude' me |
| 03:22.42 | abrotman | asuffield: man .. why not? |
| 03:22.50 | Wyzard | holycow: Your X config lists several modes to enable for use, and the GNOME selector just lets you choose among those |
| 03:22.53 | helix | suff the children |
| 03:22.54 | tomb0y | vortek: comcast *might* be having probs again, i know on fri they had nation-wide probs with all dns since they went down, and i know someone else tonight also had dns issues. just see if you can find other dns servers and add them to your resolv.conf |
| 03:22.55 | asuffield | because it makes you sound like something from Wayne's World |
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| 03:23.03 | Wyzard | holycow: For each, X automatically uses the highest refresh rate your monitor supports |
| 03:23.03 | holycow | Wyzard, hehe :) i have an install under vmware that doesn't like some reso's for some reason, i'm comfy mucking in .config file, but x / gdm must store current 'res/refresh' preference somewhere? |
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| 03:23.24 | abrotman | asuffield: squeeze me? |
| 03:23.40 | xai | Does apt-build allow you to tweak the compile options? |
| 03:23.40 | holycow | Wyzard, well, no i can select 60hz even when 75 is supported, upon new login it select 60hz again .. so it's not quite automatic although it is on first install |
| 03:23.43 | asuffield | abrotman: I'd really rather not. ask helix, she's pretty desperate |
| 03:23.45 | gui2217 | Anyone particulalry adept at graphics cards? |
| 03:23.47 | peterS | abrotman: you just have to understand - asuffield and helix have this thing going where they both pretend not to like or respect anything about each other. very verbosely |
| 03:23.55 | Wyzard | holycow: I've had issues with vmware not using proper refresh rates in fullscreen mode... aI currently run 4.0.5 because 4.5 had that problem |
| 03:23.57 | abrotman | peterS: it doesn't work |
| 03:24.04 | Wyzard | holycow: You'll probably have to ask the VMware people about that |
| 03:24.11 | peterS | abrotman: no, I gather it's more of an in-joke than an actual pretense |
| 03:24.16 | abrotman | asuffield: i dont' think helix would squeeze me .. except to get the life out of me :) |
| 03:24.27 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. it still doesn't work :) |
| 03:24.31 | asuffield | abrotman: you'll never know until you stalk |
| 03:24.48 | holycow | Wyzard, i have 4.5 right now actually ... i can't believe x doesn't refer to a var somewhere that basically says 'user chose this resolution and this refresh rate, on login use that again' ... i guess i'm looking for a gdm/session setting maybe? |
| 03:25.05 | abrotman | asuffield: i could just ask |
| 03:25.06 | Wyzard | holycow: gnome-session does do that, I think |
| 03:25.19 | holycow | okay thanks for the think through ... i'll go check that out |
| 03:25.25 | abrotman | helix: would you ever squeeze for any reason except to get the life out of me? |
| 03:25.32 | abrotman | asuffield: see how easy and direct that was |
| 03:25.40 | Wyzard | holycow: But I've had issues with a virtual machine that was supposed to be using the exact same resolution (1600x1200@75) that my "real" desktop uses |
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| 03:25.50 | asuffield | abrotman: maybe she's shy |
| 03:26.08 | abrotman | asuffield: or maybe the attempt at death via ESP is being made |
| 03:26.14 | gui2217 | anyone got graphics card skills? |
| 03:26.52 | holycow | Wyzard, *nod* i tried to use a smaller res, but it just went wonky, not sure |
| 03:27.05 | BadMan | !dict wonky |
| 03:27.07 | dpkg | could not find definition for wonky |
| 03:27.20 | abrotman | gui2217: badly formed question |
| 03:27.24 | peterS | abrotman: I think the message here is "don't flatter yourself that you're important enough for me to want to try to kill" (: |
| 03:27.28 | Kero_1116 | how do i restart a daemon? |
| 03:27.38 | BadMan | holycow: guess you need to define wonky..... |
| 03:27.44 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. possibly .. didn't even consider that! |
| 03:27.45 | mlots | /etc/init.d/daemonname restart |
| 03:27.50 | abrotman | peterS: i really suck then |
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| 03:28.21 | peterS | abrotman: hey, so do I, in similar ways. it's easy to fall into the trap of 'I bet ____ will really want to kill me now' when ____ could really care less |
| 03:28.55 | holycow | BadMan, well its like every other horizontal line got 'razored' and you can sorta make out where the menus are and what the colours are but everything is 'not clear' ...not smooth blurrly, just ever other line is weirdly offset so you can't make anything out |
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| 03:29.19 | peterS | abrotman: most of the time you see "/me runs", including when I do it, that's the situation |
| 03:29.22 | abrotman | peterS: or maybe i really want them to kill me!!! |
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| 03:29.28 | peterS | heh |
| 03:29.37 | abrotman | !deathwish |
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| 03:29.43 | gui2217 | thanks for the help, bros |
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| 03:30.26 | abrotman | did we help him? |
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| 03:30.47 | peterS | I didn't |
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| 03:31.11 | karsten | !ops spam from EONLURXT |
| 03:31.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: spam from EONLURXT |
| 03:31.23 | silverton | anyone in here comcast cable and live in the seattle area? |
| 03:31.26 | karsten | !ops NM he's gone. |
| 03:31.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: NM he's gone. |
| 03:31.30 | alindeman | Heh |
| 03:31.57 | abrotman | peterS: we never help anyone ... |
| 03:31.59 | abrotman | :( |
| 03:32.06 | peterS | abrotman: right. never. |
| 03:32.15 | abrotman | peterS: certainly not on mondays |
| 03:32.44 | abrotman | oh wait . it's tuesday |
| 03:32.45 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:33.06 | peterS | o/~ Tooooosday aaaaaafternooooooon o/` |
| 03:33.10 | abrotman | alindeman: how come you're not in the !ops thing? |
| 03:33.14 | simonrvn | doo-dah |
| 03:33.20 | abrotman | ooom pah |
| 03:33.29 | simonrvn | loo-pah |
| 03:33.30 | Xenguy | peterS: yer right; I need more MB in my collection |
| 03:33.40 | peterS | abrotman: he's a freenode staff, not a #debian op |
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| 03:33.41 | abrotman | oomm patee ooo |
| 03:33.55 | alindeman | abrotman: I /hilight on it anyway |
| 03:33.55 | abrotman | peterS: but it could help if it was a spam person . or a total abuser |
| 03:33.56 | peterS | abrotman: freenode staff (or some of them) have automatic op powers in every channel |
| 03:34.01 | abrotman | alindeman: ah .. gotcha |
| 03:34.21 | abrotman | alindeman: can you op here? |
| 03:34.27 | abrotman | or just ircop stuff? |
| 03:34.36 | alindeman | I could, but probably wouldn't |
| 03:35.01 | abrotman | oh .. let's see you flex :) |
| 03:35.06 | peterS | he doesn't need to. the irc server knows him and lets him do stuff without a +o |
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| 03:35.13 | abrotman | oh .. that's cheating |
| 03:35.21 | simonrvn | i've seen it. though they ask first if they're not on the list |
| 03:35.35 | simonrvn | otherwise they do chanops stuff |
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| 03:35.43 | vortek | Hello :) |
| 03:36.31 | vortek | Can some one please help me... I keep getting packet loss when Ever I do not ping ip's.. I also can't run updates or installs they lock up half way threw. I putthe DNS in resolv.conf And tried the ns any suggestions ? |
| 03:37.03 | abrotman | vortek: i've noticed that comcast is thoroughly fucked up tonight if that helps |
| 03:37.17 | vortek | Realy ? |
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| 03:37.22 | vortek | So its not just on my end ? |
| 03:37.22 | tomb0y | vortek: comcast *might* be having probs again, i know on fri they had nation-wide probs with all dns since they went down, and i know someone else tonight also had dns issues. just see if you can find other dns servers and add them to your resolv.conf |
| 03:37.27 | tomb0y | is what i stated earlier. |
| 03:37.27 | karsten | What's latest on kernel vulns? http://lwn.net/Vulnerabilities/130217/ |
| 03:37.29 | abrotman | vortek: i had to change my dns servers from thiers to my own |
| 03:37.41 | vortek | you recomend any good ones to use for now ? |
| 03:37.56 | silverton | yes |
| 03:38.01 | silverton | I'm having issues with comcast as well |
| 03:38.03 | vortek | im in the us if that helps |
| 03:38.11 | vortek | silverton: you can ping ip's but not dns right ? |
| 03:38.15 | silverton | yup |
| 03:38.18 | vortek | silverton: some kiddie is probaly dosing them |
| 03:38.21 | abrotman | vortek: do you know the ones you'r eusing? |
| 03:38.25 | vortek | yeah |
| 03:38.43 | silverton | I had to get a friend to tell me the IP to my apt repositories just so I could install apache |
| 03:38.46 | vortek | search Guardian nameserver 68.87.96.3 |
| 03:38.46 | vortek | nameserver 68.87.96.4 |
| 03:38.52 | vortek | thats my resolv.conf |
| 03:38.55 | *** part/#debian gloin (~heh@gloin.student.supporter.pdpc) |
| 03:38.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.00 | abrotman | those are the comcast.com ones |
| 03:39.11 | abrotman | blow up the corporate!!! |
| 03:39.14 | vortek | think they will work better ? |
| 03:39.17 | vortek | hehe |
| 03:39.18 | abrotman | dunno .. try them |
| 03:39.19 | silverton | search hsd1.wa.comcast.net. |
| 03:39.19 | silverton | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:39.19 | silverton | nameserver 68.87.66.196 |
| 03:39.19 | silverton | nameserver 68.87.64.196 |
| 03:39.20 | *** kick/#debian [silverton!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 03:39.23 | helix | peterS: I like and respect plenty about suff. he's the one faking it :P |
| 03:39.25 | BadMan | doh |
| 03:39.25 | helix | abrotman: no |
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| 03:39.27 | silverton | whoops :x |
| 03:39.31 | silverton | four lines is a flood?! |
| 03:39.34 | helix | silverton: yeah |
| 03:39.36 | abrotman | helix: you're way laggy |
| 03:39.37 | BadMan | yes |
| 03:39.38 | silverton | harsh |
| 03:39.40 | helix | abrotman: I was afk |
| 03:39.40 | vortek | Do I have to restart my networking when I change resolv.conf and do a /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 03:39.58 | silverton | vortek, no |
| 03:39.58 | tomb0y | nah, comcast just recently been updating their servers, and having probs with the updates.. i work for them if that means anything. |
| 03:39.58 | abrotman | helix: wait .. does that mean you wouldn't kill me . or wouldn't even touch me to kill me? |
| 03:39.58 | peterS | helix: I didn't say you did a *convincing* act (: |
| 03:39.58 | vortek | cpp; |
| 03:40.00 | abrotman | or wait |
| 03:40.04 | helix | peterS: oh, I'm not trying to be convincing. I'm nice to him all the time :) |
| 03:40.05 | vortek | cool |
| 03:40.10 | silverton | WH00! |
| 03:40.11 | abrotman | tomb0y: no . they are a mess .. again ... |
| 03:40.11 | silverton | finally |
| 03:40.15 | helix | abrotman: I probably wouldn't touch you |
| 03:40.17 | silverton | gaim got everything connected |
| 03:40.23 | abrotman | helix: i think you're special too :) |
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| 03:40.46 | tomb0y | abrotman: yea on friday all their dns servers went down.. hence why they had probs then, prob same thing today, though a few hours ago when i was at work, heard no probs at that time. |
| 03:41.08 | vortek | abrotman: am I still here ? |
| 03:41.12 | abrotman | tomb0y: i wonder if they know .. dns servers are easy |
| 03:41.15 | abrotman | vortek: yes |
| 03:41.25 | vortek | abrotman: Them servers you gave me dont even recongnize google.com but ping ips still heheh |
| 03:41.38 | vortek | abrotman: |
| 03:41.42 | helix | abrotman: |
| 03:41.46 | abrotman | helix: |
| 03:41.50 | helix | peterS: |
| 03:41.56 | abrotman | boring: |
| 03:41.57 | karsten | silverton: Worse, if you get lagged and a bunch of lines turn up at once, you're kicked for flooding. |
| 03:42.00 | vortek | For my resolv.conf I got my host name in search wich is Guardian aka search Guardian |
| 03:42.03 | karsten | silverton: I've had that happen. |
| 03:42.04 | helix | oh well |
| 03:42.08 | vortek | Ok any one else recomend some good name servers ? |
| 03:42.14 | silverton | karsten, ouch! |
| 03:42.17 | abrotman | helix: i'd still buy you a big heaping glass of soy milk :) |
| 03:42.21 | vortek | I can't exactly do nslookups right now |
| 03:42.24 | asuffield | helix: you are not nice. you call me names! |
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| 03:42.29 | abrotman | vortek: those ones might be broken too |
| 03:42.30 | karsten | silverton: Just re-/join, but it's annoying. |
| 03:42.34 | helix | asuffield: terms of endearment |
| 03:42.36 | vortek | abrotman: they are |
| 03:42.41 | silverton | yeah, I just reset debian to auto-rejoin when kicked |
| 03:42.41 | helix | abrotman: so I could pour it on your head? |
| 03:42.43 | asuffield | helix: you start rumours about me! |
| 03:42.45 | silverton | er. |
| 03:42.47 | silverton | that was a stupid mistake |
| 03:42.49 | abrotman | vortek: no .. they work |
| 03:42.51 | silverton | s/debian/xchat/; |
| 03:42.52 | helix | awww |
| 03:42.54 | peterS | asuffield: dude, you should give up the act already. it's getting old, at least from this angle |
| 03:42.58 | abrotman | helix: you'd never! |
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| 03:42.59 | helix | "he's actually really nice" |
| 03:43.04 | vortek | abrotman: they say google.com does not exist |
| 03:43.09 | abrotman | vortek: oh well |
| 03:43.21 | abrotman | vortek: restart your router maybe. .. pray for new dns ips |
| 03:43.21 | vortek | Gaurdian:~# ping www.google.com |
| 03:43.21 | vortek | ping: unknown host www.google.com |
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| 03:43.28 | vortek | hehehe |
| 03:43.46 | abrotman | helix: i highly doubt it |
| 03:43.58 | helix | abrotman: doubt what? that I'd pour soy milk on your head? |
| 03:44.03 | abrotman | yeah |
| 03:44.09 | asuffield | I don't, she's mean |
| 03:44.14 | abrotman | i do |
| 03:44.22 | abrotman | she'd have to get close enough :) |
| 03:44.32 | helix | hrm, one problem with hitting f3 to start an app in ion: it doesn't tell you whether the app is actually launching or segfaulting or what |
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| 03:44.45 | peterS | abrotman: how is it you were planning to give her a glass of soy milk without getting close enough to get it dumped on your head, then? |
| 03:44.46 | asuffield | sucker. learn to use terminals |
| 03:44.57 | helix | asuffield: yeah, that's my second course of action :P |
| 03:45.04 | abrotman | peterS: it's like baiting a trap :) . i wouldn't actually *hand* it to her |
| 03:45.09 | helix | urgh, tummy, hurting |
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| 03:45.25 | holycow | okay i found how to manually force gnome to resize a session to a specific res/refresh: gnome obviously resizes x based on the session on login, the info for this is stored in gconf on a per user basis the file can be round in ~user/.gconf/desktop/gnome/screen/default/0 |
| 03:45.27 | asuffield | I knew a guy at IC who was so damned lazy, he aliased his 26 most commonly used applications to the single letters |
| 03:45.28 | helix | oh heh, the app I was trying to start isn't installed |
| 03:45.34 | helix | dur |
| 03:45.41 | peterS | helix: too bad ion doesn't have command name completion |
| 03:45.50 | helix | peterS: I always forget to use it |
| 03:45.58 | peterS | heh |
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| 03:46.06 | cafuego | Whee, my first hacked python project |
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| 03:46.17 | helix | ugh, python |
| 03:46.17 | abrotman | peterS: wait til 7am :) |
| 03:46.24 | asuffield | helix: see, that's what happens when you go eating like a cow |
| 03:46.36 | abrotman | as opposed to eating cow? |
| 03:46.39 | helix | heh |
| 03:46.40 | asuffield | right |
| 03:46.46 | cafuego | helix: Yes, I fully concur. |
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| 03:46.48 | peterS | helix chews cud? maybe that was TMI |
| 03:46.50 | helix | I didn't have anything green tonight |
| 03:46.56 | helix | well, green tea |
| 03:46.57 | vortek | abrotman: Ok there more stable now :) |
| 03:47.25 | peterS | vortek: more stable now that abrotman went to sleep? |
| 03:47.32 | vortek | ok Now to my original problem I got load the modules for my sound card but mp3blaster states no sound device ... any suggestions or howtos on this ? |
| 03:47.43 | asuffield | peterS: she tries, but lacks the digestive system for it. then she comes and complains of stomach pain :P |
| 03:47.47 | vortek | peterS: he did lol , Nah I just switched to there actualy DNS servers |
| 03:48.07 | silverton | vortek, are you loading the right modules? |
| 03:48.17 | helix | nah, this is unrelated. usually my digestive system is in fine working condition |
| 03:48.17 | peterS | vortek: what module or modules did you load? |
| 03:48.34 | BadMan | go sarge go go |
| 03:48.35 | asuffield | what the hell are you nervous about? hot date? |
| 03:48.37 | BadMan | !sing sarge |
| 03:48.37 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 03:48.39 | mlots | ARg, mkisofs is still making the files, but not making them the same size! :-( |
| 03:48.40 | peterS | helix: ha. "fine working condition". it handles lactose how well again? |
| 03:48.40 | helix | work |
| 03:48.48 | helix | peterS: oh, I have no idea about that |
| 03:49.18 | asuffield | oh come on, you have a drudge job. not only "can do it in your sleep", but "have trouble staying awake while doing it" :P |
| 03:49.33 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 03:49.40 | silverton | vortek, what dns servers are you using? |
| 03:50.26 | BadMan | Get:64 |
| 03:50.31 | BadMan | Get:65...... |
| 03:50.32 | BadMan | hehe |
| 03:51.00 | helix | asuffield: well, I get nervous about stuff |
| 03:51.04 | helix | like new jobs |
| 03:52.20 | asuffield | bloody women |
| 03:53.08 | maher | helix: got a new job? |
| 03:53.12 | helix | yeah |
| 03:53.16 | asuffield | ooh, it's a were-helix |
| 03:53.29 | helix | I'm not actually emailing it |
| 03:53.34 | cafuego | o-o-o-o |
| 03:53.40 | maher | helix: do we get to know what it is? |
| 03:54.24 | helix | maher: my official title is something like 'junior software engineer' |
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| 03:54.24 | helix | well, not something like that. that's what it is. |
| 03:54.24 | asuffield | which is industry speak for "dogsbody" |
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| 03:54.25 | maher | helix: you're a gofer! |
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| 03:54.25 | helix | >:/ |
| 03:54.25 | asuffield | maher: that's "assistant" |
| 03:54.39 | peterS | asuffield: how is 'assistant' different from 'administrative assistant', btw? I never figured out if it was |
| 03:54.52 | asuffield | maher: junior engineers are the ones you send to shovel out the shit |
| 03:55.00 | BadMan | ssh should be part of the baase system.... |
| 03:55.03 | asuffield | peterS: the latter means 'secretary'. the former means 'gopher' |
| 03:55.38 | asuffield | peterS: gophers do more running and less abusing their boss's power |
| 03:55.43 | maher | helix: congrats! you'll be coding up a storm in no time... |
| 03:55.45 | peterS | right, right |
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| 03:56.05 | asuffield | storm in a B-cup |
| 03:56.15 | silverton | huh, what, B-cup? |
| 03:56.24 | helix | python is satanic |
| 03:56.26 | Guerin | a b-cup is nothign to perk up about |
| 03:56.31 | cafuego | """ really? """ |
| 03:56.35 | silverton | I like a bit on the small side |
| 03:56.39 | peterS | Guerin: 'perk'. heh. |
| 03:56.44 | silverton | though, my girlfriend is a D, or a DD, I don't recall |
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| 03:56.49 | Guerin | peterS: i almost put a 't' in there |
| 03:56.58 | Guerin | silverton: thanks for sharing |
| 03:57.01 | asuffield | "there's a new release of python out. go rewrite our project to work with it" |
| 03:57.04 | silverton | Guerin, I knew you wanted to know :) |
| 03:57.07 | asuffield | yeah, that sounds like a junior engineer's job |
| 03:57.10 | mtnman | silverton: your girl is a debian-developer? |
| 03:57.17 | helix | they don't do python |
| 03:57.22 | helix | (yay) |
| 03:57.23 | silverton | mtnman, hmm....not that I am aware of |
| 03:57.25 | peterS | asuffield: I thought python was mainly backward-compatible. particularly in comparison to perl |
| 03:57.31 | blackout | in galeon, i see that to go to any page like amazon, etc, i need to install the psm package - where/what is the psm package for galeon? |
| 03:57.34 | mtnman | silverton: dd.... |
| 03:57.41 | maher | helix: who will you be working for? |
| 03:57.43 | asuffield | peterS: no. perl's the backwards compatible one. python is the one which rejects all notions of backwards compatibility |
| 03:57.51 | cafuego | whoops |
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| 03:58.27 | Wyzard | blackout: mozilla-psm |
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| 03:58.37 | blackout | Wyzard, galeon depends on a mozilla package? |
| 03:58.41 | asuffield | the python philosophy can be effectively summed up as "breaking compatibility is fun" |
| 03:58.49 | peterS | asuffield: I thought the whole point of python's forward deprecation warnings was to make compatibility transitions as smooth as possible. it follows that they would emphasise compatibility in all areas they didn't warn about |
| 03:59.02 | Wyzard | blackout: Galeon uses the Gecko rendering engine, which is part of Mozilla |
| 03:59.24 | asuffield | peterS: the very notion of "compatibility transitions" indicates that they're deliberately sacrificing compatibility |
| 03:59.27 | blackout | Wyzard, huh - seems odd that if the only thing is shares in rendering that it would need the PSM package |
| 03:59.43 | Wyzard | blackout: Notice that the galeon package depends on the mozilla-browser package |
| 03:59.47 | asuffield | peterS: a backwards-compatible interface doesn't *need* them, because it *is* compatible |
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| 04:00.08 | peterS | asuffield: right, but perl changes semantics on occasion - largely without deprecation warnings |
| 04:00.14 | asuffield | peterS: only by accident |
| 04:00.21 | asuffield | peterS: and that's considered a bug, and fixed |
| 04:00.36 | peterS | asuffield: no, sometimes it's documented. I rarely run into problems because I don't use the really hairy features of the language, the ones that change syntax at all |
| 04:00.37 | Wyzard | asuffield: On the other hand, occasionally breaking backward compatibility lets you remove obsolete cruft from your code |
| 04:00.41 | peterS | or change semantics, I mean |
| 04:01.02 | asuffield | although there are occasionally things which are clearly labelled as "EXPERIMENTAL WILL CHANGE IN NEXT RELEASE DO NOT USE" |
| 04:01.22 | Wyzard | asuffield: btw, IIRC, at the top of any Python program you can put a directive saying what version of the language the program is written for, and the interpreter will act as if it were that version... back to some reasonable limit of old-ness, I guess |
| 04:01.24 | cafuego | maher: 'has no' or 'is no'? |
| 04:01.40 | asuffield | Wyzard: if you did it right then you don't have obsolete cruft and you still have backwards compatibility |
| 04:01.55 | vortek | silverton: one sec |
| 04:01.56 | asuffield | Wyzard: and that just doesn't work, the disaster of many python versions in Debian is a tribute to that |
| 04:02.00 | silverton | vortek, alright |
| 04:02.16 | maher | cafuego: maybe i should have said maher is no obsolete cruft |
| 04:02.47 | vortek | silverton: nameserver 68.87.96.3 |
| 04:02.47 | vortek | nameserver 68.87.96.4 |
| 04:02.47 | vortek | nameserver 206.228.179.10 |
| 04:03.12 | vortek | They are for the most part stable |
| 04:03.14 | silverton | thank you very much sir! |
| 04:03.20 | vortek | I should just steal some from chater.net |
| 04:03.22 | Wyzard | asuffield: Old ways of doing things need to become deprecated as newer ways of doing them become available -- otherwise you get a hodgepodge of features tacked onto one another, like Perl and its TMTOWTDI philosophy :-P |
| 04:03.49 | asuffield | Wyzard: aka "backwards compatibility". this is a *good* thing. perl has repeatedly demonstrated how to get it right while avoiding cruft |
| 04:03.57 | helix | heh, .maherrc |
| 04:04.05 | simonrvn | Guerin: there's enough bits to install? |
| 04:04.14 | asuffield | Wyzard: the result being a language in which any perl programmer from the past ten years can sit down and hack on the code and it'll work |
| 04:04.18 | cafuego | Thinkpad R51 |
| 04:04.18 | Guerin | simonrvn: the xfce4 metapackage is bringing some shit in |
| 04:04.20 | vortek | peterS: snd-ens1371 wich loaded soundcore and every thing else I needed |
| 04:04.25 | maher | helix: you can edit it to change my behaviour |
| 04:04.33 | peterS | vortek: try also 'snd-pcm-oss' |
| 04:04.38 | helix | that's so l33t |
| 04:05.10 | cafuego | asuffield: gcc -s! |
| 04:05.12 | asuffield | like about the size of my mouse pointer |
| 04:05.18 | helix | I wish someone would reduce my config file bloat when I'm pmsing |
| 04:05.18 | vortek | peterS: Its a custome kernel so I just have snd-pcm.ko |
| 04:05.20 | vortek | wich is loaded |
| 04:05.21 | cafuego | Eh, -Os |
| 04:05.29 | simonrvn | round and dark brown core dumps |
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| 04:05.36 | helix | simonrvn: ew |
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| 04:05.41 | peterS | vortek: then tell all your apps to use ALSA since you decided that's all you needed in your kernel |
| 04:05.42 | asuffield | helix: that made my brain hurt |
| 04:05.44 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:05.51 | cafuego | helix: rm -rf .[0-9a-zA-Z]* |
| 04:06.08 | vortek | peterS: is there a simple way to make this generic so like, mp3blaster would use it by defualt and such ? |
| 04:06.09 | peterS | cafuego: rm -fr .??* is quicker and gets everything except .? |
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| 04:06.21 | cafuego | helix: it'll be back to cruft in 2 days though |
| 04:06.32 | Wyzard | asuffield: Maybe it's not 100% related, but I don't like how the Perl community prides itself on being able to write the most compact (and unreadable!) code of any language... I'd rather have a language like Python where there's one clean way to do something in a line of code than Perl where there's five ways to do it in three characters or less, even if that means some occasional compatibility breaks |
| 04:06.36 | peterS | vortek: I do not know. you should have made snd-pcm-oss available when you compiled. then you wouldn't have to worry about minutiae like that |
| 04:06.49 | asuffield | peterS: it is typically a bad idea to remove .. |
| 04:06.49 | vortek | true |
| 04:06.50 | helix | hrm, if you remove diaereses, can you use a diaeretic? |
| 04:07.00 | peterS | asuffield: that's why I say .??* rather than .?* |
| 04:07.01 | asuffield | helix: what are you gibbering about? |
| 04:07.05 | cafuego | diaheretic? |
| 04:07.08 | helix | stuff |
| 04:07.14 | helix | gibber gibber |
| 04:07.15 | Wyzard | maher: No war |
| 04:07.36 | cafuego | junior engineers don't sleep |
| 04:07.36 | vortek | peterS: If I just add that module Do I have to make a new kernel or just do a make modules; make modules_install and reboot ? |
| 04:07.38 | cafuego | they debug |
| 04:07.48 | asuffield | Wyzard: that's a reflection of the fact that perl is syntactically flexible. you can run up useful new syntax easily, rather than being stuck with the tools that some C programmer thought you might find useful several years ago |
| 04:07.50 | vortek | cafuego: hehehe |
| 04:07.54 | helix | at least I get free parking |
| 04:08.09 | asuffield | helix: you say it like this is unexpected |
| 04:08.10 | peterS | helix: you can't sleep at this time of day. it would cause an anomaly in the flux capacitors or something |
| 04:08.11 | helix | I don't do jolt or pizza |
| 04:08.12 | vortek | I'm eating pizza mini puffs :) |
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| 04:08.21 | cafuego | helix: that's why you're sleepy |
| 04:08.23 | helix | peterS: I'm gettin' my circadian rhythm back |
| 04:08.31 | peterS | vortek: no reboot. just make modules + modules_install |
| 04:08.37 | vortek | k |
| 04:08.42 | vortek | peterS: thanxs |
| 04:08.42 | asuffield | helix: you never sleep, you just sit on IRC and talk about sleep. that's why you're so damned sleepy all the time :P |
| 04:09.01 | helix | noo. I do sleep. |
| 04:09.03 | peterS | asuffield: she's sleepy all the time? |
| 04:09.06 | helix | I even have /away messages indicating this |
| 04:09.10 | Wyzard | asuffield: I know, and Perl programs seem to do pretty well so it can't be that bad... but it just bothers me seeing code that looks like $^{**@}%, and each new version seems to add more syntactic crud rather than cleaning up what's already there |
| 04:09.12 | asuffield | peterS: well she's complaining about being sleepy all the time |
| 04:09.13 | cafuego | Yay! neighbour and his dogs are gone, the cats can play on the other fence now :-) |
| 04:09.17 | Guerin | this might not sound unusual, but I'm the teacher |
| 04:09.26 | asuffield | helix: and then you come back ten minutes later having given up |
| 04:09.27 | helix | asuffield: that was like, once |
| 04:09.34 | Wyzard | asuffield: It's a difference between what I value in a language and what you value in a language; I realize there's no absolute right or wrong |
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| 04:09.47 | helix | asuffield: oh come on. I came back two hours later and complained.. |
| 04:09.49 | Paganist | May someone help me please ? i have compiled tun in the kernel (not as module) and i don't have /dev/net/tun0 |
| 04:09.54 | asuffield | helix: dude, you've done it three times this month |
| 04:10.13 | peterS | Paganist: cd /dev; MAKEDEV tun |
| 04:10.14 | helix | really? well, no longer. I'm a changed woman! |
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| 04:10.21 | vortek | peterS: So even though oss is depreciated apps still use it I take as defualt |
| 04:10.22 | cafuego | she's anæmic |
| 04:10.23 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: uh, the syntax is actually fairly logical once you understand it... |
| 04:10.29 | peterS | Paganist: also, /dev/net/tun is the usual name, not /dev/net/tun0 |
| 04:10.37 | peterS | vortek: a lot of apps do |
| 04:10.43 | Paganist | peterS: Thanks |
| 04:10.57 | peterS | vortek: and it isn't particularly deprecated. nobody has threatened to remove it from the kernel yet |
| 04:11.06 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I know... but the same can be said of assembly :-) |
| 04:11.12 | cafuego | if it weren't for that beach suft-dudette tan you'd see... |
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| 04:11.18 | cafuego | s/suft/surf/ |
| 04:11.20 | asuffield | cafuego: what the hell are you doing with a æ? this is not 1560 |
| 04:11.24 | vortek | peterS: sweet whats the name of that module again , I'm in make menuconfig under sound treing to find it now :) |
| 04:11.46 | peterS | vortek: snd-pcm-oss |
| 04:11.50 | helix | in some worlds, 1560 is 1600 |
| 04:11.56 | asuffield | cafuego: all over, or with daft looking tan lines? >:) |
| 04:11.57 | cafuego | asuffield: Speak for yourself! |
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| 04:12.07 | peterS | vortek: it's labeled as <M> OSS PCM (digital audio) API |
| 04:12.16 | cafuego | asuffield: Some daft looking tan lines |
| 04:12.17 | vortek | ahh :) |
| 04:12.38 | Wyzard | vortek: Note that ALSA can do OSS emulation |
| 04:12.46 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: *shrug* it's not like $foo[0] or $bar{foo} is all that complex... I mean, there are more complex constructs, but there's rarely any need to actually use the things, and few properly written programs do |
| 04:12.46 | peterS | vortek: may as well get the OSS Mixer API too |
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| 04:12.52 | cafuego | asuffield: people don't use the æ coz they can't find it on their keyboards. I reckon it must be brought back, now that utf-8 lives! |
| 04:12.57 | peterS | Wyzard: we're talking about exactly that |
| 04:13.07 | asuffield | I can find me æ just fine |
| 04:13.12 | vortek | peterS: I just added it threw the .conf as =m, K will doo |
| 04:13.16 | helix | what about your lucky charms? |
| 04:13.17 | cafuego | asuffield: You're not "people" though. |
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| 04:13.22 | Wyzard | peterS: ah, sorry |
| 04:13.59 | vortek | Wyzard: how ? |
| 04:14.01 | cafuego | ÂŻwooÂŻ |
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| 04:14.26 | Wyzard | vortek: The module is called "snd-pcm-oss" |
| 04:14.29 | peterS | cafuego: what is that character? looks like an overscore from here |
| 04:14.35 | leo | do anybody here have mldonkey running ok on sarge? |
| 04:14.38 | vortek | yeah thats what im installing |
| 04:14.41 | peterS | Wyzard: I just told him how to compile snd-pcm-oss |
| 04:14.42 | cafuego | peterS: Indeed. Seems to be called MACRON |
| 04:14.51 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: A line from /usr/games/frozen-bubble: if (!member($npos->[1]*8 + $npos->[0], @occupied_positions)) { |
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| 04:14.55 | cafuego | ¬ _ |
| 04:14.58 | asuffield | helix: what sort of nutcase eats lucky charms? those things are icky |
| 04:15.01 | peterS | cafuego: oh right. how is it useful? |
| 04:15.18 | helix | asuffield: once again, you missed the joke |
| 04:15.24 | helix | it could be a US thing though |
| 04:15.25 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Locial when you read it, yes, but all the punctuation makes it look like line noise at first glance :-) |
| 04:15.29 | Wyzard | *logical |
| 04:15.37 | Paganist | peterS: Any idea why it doesn't seem to appear in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf ? |
| 04:15.41 | Paganist | tun i mean |
| 04:15.43 | asuffield | helix: I'm pretty sure I missed that. your jokes suck |
| 04:15.46 | helix | "he stole me lucky charms!" |
| 04:15.53 | helix | asuffield: yeah, but you like them |
| 04:15.54 | cafuego | peterS: I have no idea. Maybe helix knows,s he was a fan of that other weird-ass exclaquestion mark thing. |
| 04:16.05 | vortek | ok got em both selected under alsa |
| 04:16.06 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: what about it? you're taking the 2nd element multiplied by 8 added to the first element of the array pointed to by $npos and passing that along with the array occupied_positions to member |
| 04:16.15 | simonrvn | ¬¬¬ |
| 04:16.17 | helix | cafuego: I'm considering lobbying cliff stoll to make an interrobang klein bottle |
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| 04:16.24 | asuffield | helix: you know, there's something unhealthy about making up fantasy versions of people and then lusting after them :P |
| 04:16.35 | maher | asuffield: there is? oh. |
| 04:16.38 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I know, I understand what it does... I guess it's just that I don't like the heavy use of punctuation, all variables prefixed with '$', etc. |
| 04:16.46 | peterS | maher: and he's an anime fan. go figure |
| 04:16.51 | helix | heh |
| 04:17.20 | cafuego | peterS: Ah, seems MÄori languages need them. |
| 04:17.27 | BadMan | cafuego: whats wrong with using áéíóú and sometimes ý |
| 04:17.33 | peterS | cafuego: standalone macrons? or letters with macrons on them? |
| 04:17.35 | leo | do anyone here have mldonkey running ok on debian!? |
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| 04:17.43 | pi | Hello |
| 04:18.03 | cafuego | peterS: Letters with macrons, but marks such as the macron aren't necessarily like quarks. |
| 04:18.04 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: uh, all variables aren't prefixed with $. Only scalars and things that should return scalars are. |
| 04:18.28 | peterS | cafuego: I know unicode allows for characters to combine, but most roman alphabet stuff has pre-combined letters already, simplifying life for everyone from the keyboard input method to the display output |
| 04:18.31 | cafuego | return in_array($foo, $array); |
| 04:18.32 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: this is no different from a shell script |
| 04:18.34 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Particularly the difference between $foo and @foo... yes, it makes sense, but it requires more mental effort when reading the code to understand what it does |
| 04:18.42 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Sorry, I should've said "all scalars" |
| 04:19.02 | cafuego | peterS: They still needed to create a standalone macron to then paste together with letter glyphs ;-) |
| 04:19.13 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Anyway, I'm not bashing Perl, just defending Python (and other similar languages, like Lua) as having their own merits vs. Perl |
| 04:19.17 | cafuego | peterS: If only in the font editor. |
| 04:19.21 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: if you don't read perl, I guess... to me, it doesn't take any more effort than figuring out what foo and bar are defined as C, or what class they are in python. |
| 04:19.24 | peterS | cafuego: true enough. I still don't think most people will actually use the standalone macron glyph |
| 04:19.34 | peterS | cafuego: you're right about the font editor thing (: |
| 04:19.34 | JLogik | does anyone know antgubg about vmware and debian? |
| 04:19.39 | asuffield | and prefixes to variables are a *good* thing. using both forms is acutely hard to read, and not having any prefixes makes for shitty string handling |
| 04:19.41 | JLogik | anything? |
| 04:19.50 | asuffield | python's string handling is crippled by the lack of them |
| 04:19.50 | cafuego | peterS: Well, on IRC it's handy to underline something someone else said before you ;-) |
| 04:20.00 | asuffield | almost as bad as C. certainly as bad as Haskell |
| 04:20.10 | vortek | peterS: ok wich module do I want to load first now |
| 04:20.25 | peterS | vortek: any order. snd-pcm-oss can come before or after snd-whatever-else |
| 04:20.53 | cafuego | helix: Why are you obsessed with klein bottles this month? |
| 04:21.05 | Wyzard | asuffield: What does the handling of string data have to do with the name of the variable you store it in? |
| 04:21.07 | peterS | cafuego: ich hab' klein bottle |
| 04:21.20 | cafuego | peterS: flasche |
| 04:21.34 | peterS | hey, close enough. and I forgot 'ein' too |
| 04:21.41 | helix | cafuego: because I can't get a flessenlikker |
| 04:21.42 | cafuego | Klein Flasche != kleines Fläschen |
| 04:21.44 | asuffield | Wyzard: it's the difference between whether "foo $bar baz" is powerful, as in perl, or painful, as in shell |
| 04:21.59 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:22.05 | cafuego | helix: Only a soft runner (or latex!) flessenlikker would be any good whatoever on a klein bottle |
| 04:22.11 | cafuego | rubber |
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| 04:22.22 | cafuego | ÂŻÂŻÂŻÂŻÂŻÂŻ |
| 04:22.25 | cafuego | peterS: see? |
| 04:22.33 | peterS | cafuego: if you buy a lot of klein bottles, I guess you never do get a volume discount |
| 04:22.38 | peterS | cafuego: since there isn't any |
| 04:22.38 | vortek | ok mp3blaster is not complaining but no volume ... Any good sound mixers to recomend ? |
| 04:22.47 | helix | peterS makes worse jokes than I do |
| 04:22.52 | vortek | oh wait its working |
| 04:22.53 | vortek | sweet |
| 04:22.53 | zignig | peterS: bom bom |
| 04:23.00 | peterS | vortek: aumix is a good basic one. alsamixer works too |
| 04:23.10 | Wyzard | asuffield: I dunno, I actually prefer it to be written as ('foo' + bar 'baz')... more characters in the source code, but it's easier to see what's going on |
| 04:23.23 | asuffield | obviously you have never done any serious string handling |
| 04:23.28 | Wyzard | asuffield: oops, make that ('foo' + bar + 'baz') |
| 04:23.28 | asuffield | that is completely unreadable |
| 04:23.37 | peterS | Wyzard: sprintf is my favorite way of interpolating variables when I don't feel like actually interpolating them |
| 04:23.37 | cafuego | helix: I'm sure peterS is somehow related to my ex neighbour Mark 'Downe' |
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| 04:24.00 | vortek | ....k thanxs |
| 04:24.11 | Wyzard | peterS: I dislike the printf() family of functions because they have to parse their format string at runtime, every time you call them, which just seems ugly to me :-) |
| 04:24.13 | cafuego | which reminds me, he's playing at the pub tomorrow |
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| 04:24.16 | peterS | cafuego: to get information on discounts for your irc service, /disco |
| 04:24.29 | peterS | Wyzard: oh, it is, no doubt |
| 04:24.30 | PF_ | anyone running debian (woody r2) on a sparc? |
| 04:24.37 | asuffield | actually, in perl, they don't have to |
| 04:24.41 | cafuego | peterS: get a free shell on my quad Opteron on #shell. |
| 04:24.43 | asuffield | although the current core implementation does |
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| 04:25.05 | cafuego | DISCLAIMER: DO NOT!!! |
| 04:25.07 | Wyzard | peterS: C++ stringstreams can do similar things, though, and the function calls are resolved at compile time so there's no runtime parsing |
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| 04:25.31 | pi | Hello |
| 04:25.31 | asuffield | C++ stringstreams read truly awfully |
| 04:25.38 | vortek | woop time to install x |
| 04:25.40 | asuffield | it takes ages to decipher what they actually do |
| 04:26.08 | vortek | So Is enlightenment still the top dog OR is every one running kde with themes now days ? |
| 04:26.17 | cafuego | vortek: yes |
| 04:26.23 | vortek | silverton: them dns servers work ? |
| 04:26.25 | Wyzard | asuffield: They read just like output statements, except that you end up with a string variable rather than messages on the screen |
| 04:26.27 | asuffield | generally the easiest way to find out what a C++ stringstream does is to run the damn thing and see |
| 04:26.27 | pi | kde has themes now? |
| 04:26.29 | peterS | vortek: KDE and E are both too resource-heavy to take seriously. the cool kids are doing xfce |
| 04:26.38 | pi | wow, been a while since I used a GUI. |
| 04:26.39 | asuffield | Wyzard: gah, you've never really used them, have you? |
| 04:26.40 | cafuego | pi: well, 'a theme' |
| 04:26.43 | pi | or.. a linux GUI. |
| 04:26.45 | Wyzard | asuffield: I guess it's just whatever you used to is easiest for you to read... I do a lot of C++ lately |
| 04:26.50 | vortek | cafuego: xfce I've heard of that I'm going to have to check it out |
| 04:26.52 | cafuego | it's called 'butt ugly" iirc |
| 04:27.00 | C17H21NO4 | How can I get hardware eject to work in with cdrom/gnome? I get "kernel: VFS: busy inodes on changed media", but software eject works as normal user so I don't think it is a permissions issue. |
| 04:27.09 | silverton | vortek, yes, they are working, well, they are working |
| 04:27.10 | silverton | lol |
| 04:27.14 | cafuego | vortek: I'm pretty sure most people run whatever they prefer. I doub it's KDE in most cases. |
| 04:27.29 | maher | vortek: have you just arrived from 95? |
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| 04:27.38 | cafuego | C17H21NO4: Are you in the plugdev group? |
| 04:27.41 | vortek | maher: no I've just not used linux in bout a year |
| 04:27.57 | chance2105 | In Sarge, is the xfce4 menu not supported? (eg, xfce4-menueditor, the xfce main menu clickdown from the panel, etc) |
| 04:27.59 | vortek | apt: dummy x-windows package |
| 04:28.00 | C17H21NO4 | cafuego: Yes |
| 04:28.05 | Guerin | ratpoison!1 |
| 04:28.08 | vortek | hrm |
| 04:28.30 | peterS | Guerin: with our favorite DPL candidate as its maintainer! |
| 04:28.30 | vortek | hrm apt and dpkg are no longer here ? |
| 04:28.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:28.44 | peterS | vortek: dpkg is usually around. apt comes and goes. |
| 04:28.47 | Guerin | ratpoison needs maintenance? |
| 04:28.54 | peterS | Guerin: not much |
| 04:28.55 | vortek | oh its this stupid irsii I cant see the msg reply in active |
| 04:29.07 | vortek | peterS: : cool Do you by any chance remember the xwindows dummy package ? |
| 04:29.18 | JLogik | how do i update apt-get cause it wont work |
| 04:29.19 | peterS | vortek: x-window-system and x-window-system-core are the ones you're probably thinking of |
| 04:29.20 | Guerin | peterS: haha, that's hilarious, I didn't know |
| 04:29.23 | cafuego | helix: cos(u)*(cos(u/2)*(sqrt_2+cos(v))+(sin(u/2)*sin(v)*cos(v))) |
| 04:29.24 | peterS | vortek: the latter has less stuff in it |
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| 04:29.34 | vortek | peterS: : awsome thanxs :D |
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| 04:30.19 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: uh... that formula has some issues |
| 04:30.34 | cafuego | (x²+y²+z²+2y-1)[(x²+y²+z²+2y-1)²-8z²]+16xz(x²+y²+z²+2y-1) = 0 |
| 04:30.37 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: there ya go |
| 04:30.41 | peterS | cafuego: what is that formula for? |
| 04:30.59 | cafuego | peterS: surface of a klein bottle |
| 04:31.16 | cafuego | The first one was just x |
| 04:31.20 | peterS | cafuego: where u and v are some sort of parameters of the bottle? |
| 04:31.27 | maher | just take a square and identify the sides the right way... |
| 04:31.39 | cafuego | peterS: yeah. Just ignore that one |
| 04:31.43 | mlots | The 2.4.18 woody kernel doesn't seem to mount an iso filesystem correctly. Should I upgrade the kernel? Perhaps mkisofs is the problem, but I can't tell. |
| 04:31.47 | Wyzard | peterS: Probably the parametric independent variables |
| 04:31.58 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: When will dpkg start accepting UTF-8? |
| 04:32.06 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: hahahahahahaha |
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| 04:32.08 | C17H21NO4 | cafuego: Any ideas? |
| 04:32.08 | peterS | Wyzard: what variables does a klein bottle have? |
| 04:32.30 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: eventually, I hope... I've got to transition to postgresql first though |
| 04:32.44 | peterS | dondelelcaro: good! |
| 04:32.48 | maher | peterS: a parametrized surface needs two as it stwo dimensional |
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| 04:32.56 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Go with mysqli, rewrite the bot in php. |
| 04:33.09 | simonrvn | eew |
| 04:33.10 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh |
| 04:33.19 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: php*5* |
| 04:33.21 | maher | peterS: but if you want to cut it out of R^3 you can do so with a single equationin x,y,z |
| 04:33.24 | mlots | Anyone have a link to lfs info for woody's kernel? |
| 04:33.27 | jdorje | how do I see the history in a virtual terminal (i.e., ctrl-alt-f1 terminal)? |
| 04:33.29 | peterS | maher: how do you parameterize a klein bottle surface? where are the axes? |
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| 04:33.45 | Wyzard | peterS: Each value of (u, v) generates one point on the surface of the bottle... varying u moves the point in one direction across the surface, and varying v moves the point in the perpendicular direction |
| 04:33.51 | maher | peterS: just take the unit square in u,v coords |
| 04:33.55 | peterS | Wyzard: I know. see my last question to maher |
| 04:33.59 | mlots | I don't see any reference to fixing it in the debian changelog... |
| 04:34.18 | badblody | does anyone compiled e17 from cvs ? |
| 04:34.19 | cafuego | The one for the volume of the klein bottle is slightly simpler |
| 04:34.23 | dondelelcaro | mlots: LFS? |
| 04:34.24 | peterS | mlots: lfs doesn't work in woody? are you talking kernel 2.2.20 or kernel 2.4.18? I thought both supported lfs just fine |
| 04:34.26 | maher | peterS: and write down a map I cross I to R^3 |
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| 04:35.18 | mlots | I think the problem might be backport.org's mkisofs now that I read a bit more... |
| 04:35.30 | peterS | Wyzard: as a veteran of high-end CAD systems (some years ago), I *am* familiar with the idea of treating a surface as a unit square with (u,v) running from (0,0) to (1,1) |
| 04:36.00 | Wyzard | peterS: hehe, ok |
| 04:36.12 | maher | peterS: glue opposite sides together - but reverse the arrow on one pair of sides |
| 04:36.24 | Guerin | badblody: I expect some of the E devs have |
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| 04:36.56 | peterS | maher: the 'write down a map I cross I to R^3' part I don't understand |
| 04:37.03 | mlots | Now that I recompiled sarge's mkisofs on woody when using the 2.4 kernel perhaps it'll work. |
| 04:37.19 | mlots | of course it'll take more than 30min to find out so I'll check tomorrow. |
| 04:37.36 | badblody | compiling ebony i've got the error ebony.h:4:17: Ebg.h: No such file or directory and i didn't find in all cvs repository, where's this file? Guerin |
| 04:37.42 | peterS | mlots: should depend *mostly* on the version of glibc it's compiled against. woody has 2.2.5 which should be fine. |
| 04:37.46 | cafuego | !find Ebg.h: |
| 04:37.47 | cafuego | !find Ebg.h |
| 04:38.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Ebg.h:' returned no results. |
| 04:38.04 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Ebg.h' returned no results. |
| 04:38.11 | cafuego | badblody: It's not in debian. |
| 04:38.30 | maher | peterS: so you want each point (u,v) to go to a point in R^3 (x,y,z), so you need three functions (f_1(u,v, f_2(u,v), f_3(u,v)))) |
| 04:38.33 | mlots | peterS: any idea why backport's mkisofs wouldn't work? or perhaps why woody's kernel-2.4.18bf wouldn't work? |
| 04:38.44 | badblody | thx cafuego |
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| 04:39.23 | peterS | mlots: I have no idea. poor quality control on the part of whoever backported cdrtools, I suppose |
| 04:39.45 | simonrvn | now i gotta build heimdal with ldap support, then rebuild ldap again. *sigh* |
| 04:39.50 | peterS | maher: sure |
| 04:40.28 | maher | peterS: and if the map respects the identifications of the square to make a klein bottle it gives you an immersion into R^3 |
| 04:40.37 | mlots | peterS: Ok, so a simple backport by myself should work then? I had to force it to ignore debhelper's version, but I backported smake and dpatch for it. |
| 04:41.08 | Guerin | badblody: ask the enlightenment devs, ffs |
| 04:41.15 | peterS | mlots: well, ask yourself whether you're smarter than whoever built the package for backports.org. as far as noticing issues with lfs and fixing them if they occur. if so, yours will probably work. if not, it won't. |
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| 04:42.50 | mlots | peterS: Given the quality of stuff like the Mozilla backport I think most less popular things aren't really tested much... I don't know that I'm smarter, but maybe I'll get lucky and figure it out. |
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| 04:43.12 | peterS | mlots: right. just don't assume that 'configure; make' will magically fix it. that's probably what the backports.org person did. |
| 04:43.17 | peterS | oy. he left. |
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| 04:44.36 | peterS | maher: parens don't match up: (f_1(u,v, f_2(u,v), f_3(u,v)))). what would make sense to me is (f_1(u,v), f_2(u,v), f_3(u,v)) - but the profusion of ) at the end makes me doubt this interpretation |
| 04:44.48 | maher | peterS: parkinsons |
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| 04:45.09 | bahamian | ok one more question when my debian loads it loads both gdm and then xdm right after then goes into gui is this normal? |
| 04:45.20 | maher | peterS: delete extra )'s until it makes sense |
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| 04:45.38 | peterS | heh, ok |
| 04:45.52 | maher | peterS: what you said was right |
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| 04:46.51 | peterS | right, just making sure. I am not at all confident in this field, so I didn't feel like I could trust the 'obviously sensible interpretation' |
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| 04:46.58 | benjamindees | what the hell is wrong that the 2.4 kernels in woody have serious security problems and can't be updated? |
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| 04:47.19 | benjamindees | all I can find is a memo from the security team saying "bummer" |
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| 04:48.24 | _joey | has anyone tried crossover office with photoshop pro on linux? |
| 04:48.54 | hdkiller | hello, how much performance impact will i have if i rebuild php4-cgi whit -O 3 and -march pentium4 ? |
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| 04:49.21 | pi | okay so, i installed sarge, and ofcourse some of my packages are only available in stable. |
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| 04:49.25 | pi | so what do I do? |
| 04:49.40 | benjamindees | what packages? |
| 04:49.50 | pi | well, smssend for example/ |
| 04:50.10 | maher | pi: install the stable packages |
| 04:50.20 | pi | I thought that was a no-no |
| 04:50.28 | maher | pi: other way round |
| 04:50.34 | pi | really? |
| 04:50.35 | benjamindees | pi, apt-cache show skyutils2 |
| 04:50.51 | maher | pi: stable packages should work on sarge |
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| 04:51.08 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hello |
| 04:51.17 | pi | benjamindees, doesnt work. |
| 04:51.23 | pi | no such package sysutils2 |
| 04:51.45 | benjamindees | !cool-hand-luke |
| 04:51.50 | Opiated | I am looking for a good non-gnome/kde based text editor that has syntax highlighting for C/C++/Java/TCL/perl/python. Can anyoen recommend one? |
| 04:51.57 | benjamindees | !chl |
| 04:52.02 | maher | Opiated: emacs |
| 04:52.03 | benjamindees | dammit... |
| 04:52.16 | pi | Opiated, vim |
| 04:52.18 | maher | Opiated: oh - you said good... :) |
| 04:52.23 | benjamindees | pi, *skyutils2* |
| 04:52.58 | pi | nope. |
| 04:52.59 | Opiated | huh? |
| 04:53.00 | Opiated | i confuse |
| 04:53.03 | hdkiller | ed! |
| 04:53.09 | Opiated | i didn't say anything |
| 04:53.33 | pi | Opiated, vim is your best bet.. emacs is a hog. |
| 04:53.35 | hdkiller | w syntax hilighting of ccze.. |
| 04:53.43 | Opiated | i run xfce4.2 |
| 04:53.47 | Opiated | looking for an X based one |
| 04:53.49 | Opiated | not console |
| 04:53.57 | Opiated | im a gui whore |
| 04:54.03 | pi | well, vim is best in a terminal shell anytway. |
| 04:54.10 | maher | Opiated: emacs runs under X |
| 04:54.18 | pi | and once you modify the colors, etc, what the difference? |
| 04:54.20 | Opiated | yeh i saw the ss on google images |
| 04:54.27 | Opiated | but there are like tons of packages |
| 04:54.31 | Opiated | what should I grep for |
| 04:54.40 | pi | besides, I think vim will put menues up there for you GUI people too IIRC |
| 04:54.43 | Opiated | cache search emacs|grep ??? |
| 04:54.44 | hdkiller | lol.. i just downloaded about 48M of packages becouse apt-build requested it.. then: Can't chdir(php4-4.3.10): No such file or directory at (eval 1) line 3 :> |
| 04:55.29 | Opiated | xemacs21 - highly customizable text editor <= is this the one i want? |
| 04:55.35 | PF_ | Geezzz, this is funny -> http://bofn.ntk.net/Bastard3.html , read #10 |
| 04:55.40 | pi | benjamindees, apt-cache searn *sysutils2* doesnt work eitehr. |
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| 04:56.16 | leo | is there somebody here with mldonkey running ok on debian? |
| 04:56.39 | pi | holy crap... I *must* be tired |
| 04:56.59 | pi | Benjamindees, I was mistaking skyutils2 for sys the whole time. |
| 04:57.05 | pi | sorry man! |
| 04:57.11 | Opiated | i don't think apt handles * as the first letter in searches |
| 04:57.14 | holycow | PF_, i can't see the url |
| 04:57.16 | pi | heh, now thats frustrating. |
| 04:57.18 | Opiated | or installing |
| 04:57.31 | Opiated | gives a regex eror |
| 04:57.37 | PF_ | correction |
| 04:57.42 | PF_ | Geezzz, this is funny -> http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard3.html , read #10 |
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| 04:58.04 | Opiated | pi, apt-cache search sysutils* is good, *sysutils* is not good |
| 04:58.41 | pi | Opiated, you can put wilds at the begining and end. |
| 04:58.46 | Opiated | really |
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| 04:59.00 | Opiated | bunghole:/home/ajavid/.mplayer/Skin# apt-cache search *emacs* |
| 04:59.00 | Opiated | E: Regex compilation error |
| 04:59.06 | Opiated | how are you accomplishing this |
| 04:59.06 | Opiated | ? |
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| 04:59.30 | maher | Opiated: apt-cache search emacs |
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| 04:59.45 | Opiated | maher, i know, im trying to find something else out |
| 04:59.54 | maher | Opiated: what do you want to know |
| 04:59.54 | Opiated | about * in begining of search |
| 05:00.01 | Opiated | :) |
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| 05:00.38 | Opiated | pi, how exactly are you accomplishing this successfully, please let me know |
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| 05:00.52 | hdkiller | how should i rebuild a package whit -O 3 -mcpu pentium4? It's enough to edit 'rules'? |
| 05:01.01 | Opiated | and no im not being sarcastic, i've been wanting to do this too |
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| 05:01.13 | cafuego | hdkiller: Why would you bother doing that? |
| 05:01.20 | abrocadabro | Opiated: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:01.39 | hdkiller | cafuego, i try to get more performance whit php |
| 05:01.54 | cafuego | hdkiller: You're aware you won't get it, right? |
| 05:01.55 | pi | to what? make me look bad? |
| 05:02.11 | Opiated | (pi) Opiated, you can put wilds at the begining and end. | (Opiated) bunghole:/home/ajavid/.mplayer/Skin# apt-cache search *emacs* | <== you can't use * in beginning of search or install or remove with apt, it gives a regex compilation error, THAT is what I am trying to find out |
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| 05:02.24 | cafuego | hdkiller: if you want php to be faster, install a compiled script cache. |
| 05:02.33 | jm_ | ahh nise, mrxvt is in Debian now, I will no longer have to builkd it myself |
| 05:02.37 | jm_ | nice even |
| 05:02.39 | mwilson | Hey, guys... opinion desired. If you were going to talk to a JetDirect, would you treat it like an LPD, or would you toss the whole thing and just talk to it on 9100? |
| 05:02.47 | pi | Optiated, how long are you gonna beat this dead horse? I made a mistake, grow some balls and accept that. |
| 05:02.48 | pi | move on. |
| 05:02.55 | peterS | mwilson: the latter |
| 05:02.58 | Opiated | (Opiated) and no im not being sarcastic, i've been wanting to do this too |
| 05:03.03 | hdkiller | cafuego, i don't really want to cache php scripts |
| 05:03.09 | benjamindees | mwilson, 9100 raw |
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| 05:03.11 | pi | Yes, we know what you said. |
| 05:03.12 | Opiated | i think you missed that part |
| 05:03.12 | zignig | holycow: MOO! |
| 05:03.17 | mwilson | peterS: Why? You get feedback (theoretically) if it's an LPD. |
| 05:03.20 | holycow | zignig, ! |
| 05:03.24 | holycow | how goes it brotha? |
| 05:03.29 | maher | Opiated: use grep-available or grep dcrtl |
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| 05:03.42 | zignig | holycow: not bad, got myself a shiney new amd64 yesterday. |
| 05:03.43 | Opiated | maher, I know, but nevermind |
| 05:03.44 | pi | ok. |
| 05:03.55 | peterS | mwilson: the lpd interface on jetdirects always just struck me as unnecessary complexity. then again, I was talking to them through AIX, which has its own NIH spooler |
| 05:03.56 | MidgetSpy | I just apt-got ntp but I can't find the config files for it - whereis doesn't help. does anybody know where they're kept? |
| 05:04.03 | pi | im tired. |
| 05:04.04 | zignig | holycow: i'm rather tired today , because I stayed up too late playing with it ;) |
| 05:04.08 | Opiated | MidgetSpy, dpkg -L ntp |
| 05:04.08 | holycow | zignig, *woot!* sweeet :) how does it run? |
| 05:04.08 | jm_ | I have always used it with lpd/cups feeding things to jetdirect on port 9100 |
| 05:04.11 | pi | my head just fell ont eh desk. |
| 05:04.22 | holycow | zignig, lol, *nod* i'll bug ya about it tommorah :) |
| 05:04.25 | jm_ | that is lpd on the machine itself, not on the printer |
| 05:04.28 | Opiated | MidgetSpy, dpkg -L ntp|less |
| 05:04.28 | MidgetSpy | thanks Opiated |
| 05:04.33 | Opiated | if the list is too loing |
| 05:04.35 | Opiated | long* |
| 05:05.04 | zignig | holycow: and yourself , still busy ? |
| 05:05.09 | Opiated | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.14 | MidgetSpy | no it's fine - the config file isn't on there is the only problem ;-P |
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| 05:05.35 | mwilson | peterS: That's a good reason. :) Thanks. |
| 05:05.41 | pi | okay, sorry i mistook you optiate. |
| 05:05.44 | Opiated | and no i wan't trying to be a smartass earlier, I just wanted to see how you got it to work, cuz i've been wanting that |
| 05:05.46 | pi | gotta sleep. |
| 05:05.57 | zignig | has anybody else come across firefox not running because of a bad XDM key thingo ? |
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| 05:06.04 | holycow | zignig, too busy to try out d-i kickstart stuff :-/ i have a debian sarge pilot project going here at work for wrokstations but i just tried ubuntu and i' ve been up all hours fiddling with that! |
| 05:06.25 | zignig | holycow: ubuntu can be preseeded as well |
| 05:06.37 | Opiated | i keep hearing ubuntu |
| 05:06.41 | holycow | zignig, i have plans to switch out sysv stuff for runit, someone mentioned they got their lappy bootin in 7 seconds with it, so i'm now curious |
| 05:06.42 | Opiated | its a funny word, what the fuck is it |
| 05:06.47 | Opiated | !ubuntu |
| 05:06.47 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 05:06.49 | holycow | zignig, *nod* yeah they stick very close to debian |
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| 05:06.55 | Opiated | its a distro? |
| 05:06.58 | Opiated | oh hmm |
| 05:07.06 | zignig | holycow: 7 seconds , nice. |
| 05:07.20 | mwilson | peterS: Ok... got THAT jetdirect to behave... now to see if I can get THIS one to behave |
| 05:07.31 | holycow | zignig, so he says, i'm not sure if i believe him hehe :) |
| 05:07.47 | Opiated | im off to crash |
| 05:07.53 | zignig | holycow: my pooter is better than yours syndrome...... |
| 05:07.59 | zignig | mwilson: printers , bleh! |
| 05:08.02 | holycow | zignig, lol, no doubt! |
| 05:08.26 | peterS | mwilson: I gave up a long time ago about getting printers to return useful errors to OS spooler so the OS spoolers can return useful errors to clients querying the spool status. I figure printers only ever work if you check on them any time they're wedged, no matter what else I try |
| 05:09.00 | holycow | peterS, me too, we are now just buying hp printers known to work so at least you get some vague sense of 'working' |
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| 05:09.58 | vortek | Is there a simple command to tell me what resolution x is running at? Because Xfce seems a bit bunched togahter |
| 05:10.05 | jm_ | xdpyinfo |
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| 05:11.45 | vortek | 800x600 ewww |
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| 05:13.26 | vortek | ahh fixed it much better now |
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| 05:14.02 | LinuxNIT | is there away to see if soeme one is connected to your computer through ssh? |
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| 05:14.14 | maher | LinuxNIT: w / netstat -pant |
| 05:14.18 | zignig | LinuxNIT: who |
| 05:14.35 | mwilson | *this* one won't let me telnet to it. |
| 05:14.41 | mwilson | grrr |
| 05:14.46 | LinuxNIT | well my brother is connected i just wanted to know if you could see when someone was connnected |
| 05:14.50 | mwilson | jetadmin sees it but can't configure it. |
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| 05:15.49 | jm_ | LinuxNIT: you can see it in logs |
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| 05:16.49 | vortek | You the -pant tells you if you need to crap your pants or not |
| 05:16.51 | vortek | :) |
| 05:17.00 | Opiated | LinuxNIT, try ps x|grep ssh |
| 05:17.03 | LinuxNIT | cool |
| 05:19.54 | LinuxNIT | w / netstat -pant dosent work it gives me a list of options |
| 05:20.27 | maher | LinuxNIT: type w or netstat -pant |
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| 05:22.19 | dottedquad | where is the top level linux kernel located? |
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| 05:22.43 | Caesar | What's a GNOME based presentation/slideshow app? My apt-cache fu seems low today |
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| 05:23.24 | dondelelcaro | Caesar: I don't remember there being one, actually |
| 05:23.53 | maher | dottedquad: you mean the source dir? |
| 05:24.29 | LinuxNIT | so waht do you look for to know if you need to "crap you pants" |
| 05:24.44 | maher | LinuxNIT: that was a silly joke |
| 05:24.50 | LinuxNIT | oh ok |
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| 05:25.45 | mwilson | Ah, that's why... firmware majorly out-of-date |
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| 05:26.18 | dottedquad | yes |
| 05:26.20 | dottedquad | i found it though |
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| 05:27.59 | dottedquad | i'm up to the ./make.sh and 2.4.it's saying Link /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-2386/build does not exist (or is not a link) |
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| 05:28.20 | maher | dottedquad: what are you trying to do |
| 05:28.36 | dottedquad | install the ATI drivers |
| 05:28.47 | cafuego | Compiling as 2.6 module on 2.4 from the looks of it |
| 05:28.58 | dottedquad | ok |
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| 05:29.18 | dottedquad | i think there's a section in the manual for the 2.4 installation |
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| 05:29.42 | dottedquad | actually maybe not |
| 05:29.45 | dottedquad | so now i'm stuck |
| 05:30.18 | dottedquad | ahhh |
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| 05:31.49 | cafuego | Amazing how the latest WinXP SP2 patches make fscking Windows Messenger run even though it claims it's not installed |
| 05:32.13 | dottedquad | i'm reading the manual on http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html already |
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| 05:33.49 | dottedquad | what's the command to view what kernel version i have installed? |
| 05:34.37 | King_Brad | uname -r |
| 05:35.08 | dottedquad | i have the 2.4 kernel |
| 05:35.16 | dottedquad | so i'm guessing your right cafuego |
| 05:35.18 | simonrvn | for linux or pthread support, the linker flag is what, -lthread or -lpthread? |
| 05:35.27 | dottedquad | so should i update my kernel? |
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| 05:35.29 | simonrvn | err, linux threads or pthreads |
| 05:35.33 | jm_ | simonrvn: -lpthread |
| 05:35.34 | dottedquad | and try installing it then? |
| 05:35.39 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 05:36.08 | simonrvn | "undefined symbol pthread_create" ... |
| 05:37.02 | jm_ | what are you building? |
| 05:37.15 | dottedquad | ATI Drivers |
| 05:37.16 | cafuego | multithreaded GAMP harvester |
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| 05:37.25 | simonrvn | nss-updatedb. with pam-ccreds, to cache network auth data |
| 05:37.39 | Burgundavia | I have question regarding repos |
| 05:37.55 | simonrvn | cafuego: no, that's in my spare time ;P |
| 05:38.08 | cafuego | simonrvn: I thought Penix was paying you |
| 05:38.10 | Burgundavia | repos that do not have directories for specific distros and sections, how should they go in sources.list |
| 05:38.17 | Burgundavia | ala http://people.debian.org/~isaac/wesnoth/ |
| 05:38.39 | simonrvn | duh, helps to actually save the file... |
| 05:38.58 | simonrvn | time for bed if i do something dumb like that |
| 05:39.11 | wookie | hi, after a power cut my name server no longer works though it looks like it has been loaded on startup. Any suggestions |
| 05:39.36 | vortek | Holly shizzle BATMAN 1366 megs unpacked for kde and extras LOL HAHAHA |
| 05:39.52 | Wyzard | wookie: Look for errors in /var/log/messages, etc. |
| 05:40.34 | vortek | I don't think I Even wanna try KDE now |
| 05:41.14 | wookie | Wyzard, no nothing there that would lead me to an error. I have tried /etc/init.d bnd reload etc but to no avail.. cant ping hosts on the network |
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| 05:41.29 | Erz | whats the command to configure the xfree86 settings |
| 05:41.44 | jm_ | Erz: /msg dpkg reconfigure x |
| 05:41.44 | Erz | my friend said he tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it doesnt work |
| 05:41.52 | Erz | oh so theres no - |
| 05:41.52 | dottedquad | X86config |
| 05:41.53 | dottedquad | i thinki |
| 05:42.12 | sydneyfong | xf86config |
| 05:42.14 | jm_ | no this is a command for your IRC client, not to be run on Debian system |
| 05:42.24 | aliasd | heya doods |
| 05:42.32 | aliasd | how many computers do you all have? |
| 05:42.41 | Erz | so whats the command? |
| 05:42.54 | Erz | i didnt get the msg jm_ |
| 05:42.54 | sydneyfong | aliasd: depends on your definition of "have" |
| 05:42.54 | jm_ | type the above command in your IRC client and find out |
| 05:42.55 | aliasd | not counting anything pre 1990 |
| 05:42.56 | Erz | o ok |
| 05:42.57 | aliasd | :) |
| 05:43.00 | Erz | dpkg reconfigure x |
| 05:43.00 | dpkg | i heard reconfigure x is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions. If you don't know what hardware you have, you can use discover, read-edid and mdetect hardware detecting tools to help you. If you don't know how they work, read their manpages "man <program>". |
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| 05:43.08 | simonrvn | aliasd: none of your fucking business |
| 05:43.08 | jm_ | Erz: use /msg next time, please |
| 05:43.23 | Erz | next time |
| 05:43.30 | Erz | ok sry |
| 05:43.32 | aliasd | sydneyfong, work computers dont count |
| 05:43.42 | sydneyfong | two :-( |
| 05:43.43 | Erz | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesnt work my friend said |
| 05:43.47 | wookie | any help for a nameserver error? |
| 05:43.49 | cafuego | aliasd: Oh, so people with a home office are stuffed then eh? |
| 05:43.52 | jm_ | no, I meant use /msg to send the message to dpkg only, so it doesn't go into the channel |
| 05:43.55 | aliasd | heh |
| 05:43.58 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 05:44.02 | aliasd | well, i have a home office |
| 05:44.02 | jm_ | the usual reason for it to fail is when people go and modify the file by hand |
| 05:44.17 | holycow | Erz, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe? perhaps he isn't using xfree? |
| 05:44.28 | Erz | he said hes using kde |
| 05:44.29 | cafuego | holycow: he is using xfree86 if he's using debian. |
| 05:44.30 | dottedquad | alright i think the only way i can get this to install by following this manual is to update my kernel.. how do i update my kernel or get a tutorial on how to do it? |
| 05:44.31 | Erz | is that a part of xfree? |
| 05:44.32 | Wyzard | holycow: xserver-xorg isn't in Debian |
| 05:44.32 | jm_ | Erz: "/msg dpkg xmd5" |
| 05:44.40 | cafuego | holycow: if he's not using debian he needs to be elsewhere. |
| 05:44.42 | aliasd | simonrvn, why did you snap at me btw? |
| 05:44.51 | holycow | oh oki, lol, right |
| 05:44.55 | cafuego | !tell aliasd -about polls |
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| 05:45.14 | simonrvn | because i'm tired, and i don't know you. sorry for snapping, but i don't know you so i won't tell you |
| 05:45.44 | aliasd | heh |
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| 05:47.09 | aliasd | fair enuf cafuego... didnt know polls were illegal |
| 05:47.12 | aliasd | :) |
| 05:47.20 | aliasd | im gonna go take mine in another channel |
| 05:48.18 | hdkiller | anybody got an idea why i have a lot of php-cgi defuncted process? |
| 05:48.36 | hdkiller | what's wrong.. |
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| 05:48.50 | dondelelcaro | hdkiller: in D? or in Z? |
| 05:49.03 | hdkiller | dondelelcaro, Z |
| 05:49.15 | dondelelcaro | hdkiller: those are just zombies |
| 05:49.25 | dondelelcaro | hdkiller: whatever spawned them didn't do a waitpid() for whatever reason |
| 05:49.42 | wookie | ok so my dns server works but i cant ping hosts on the network any more.. they are there and they surf the net but i can do local lookups |
| 05:49.51 | jm_ | or it did but waitpid returned -1 so it never succeeded |
| 05:50.03 | hdkiller | dondelelcaro, hmm, what side effect that could be couse? |
| 05:50.17 | dondelelcaro | hdkiller: nothing really... you just get processes sitting around in Z |
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| 05:50.41 | hdkiller | so i have to not care whit that actualy? |
| 05:51.03 | hdkiller | btw it's called by apache/mod_suphp |
| 05:51.14 | cafuego | hdkiller: Sheesh. No wonder your php is slow! Run mod_php4 instead. |
| 05:51.25 | vortek | How old are the e16 packaged compared to the source |
| 05:51.26 | hdkiller | cafuego, i can't |
| 05:51.28 | vortek | in sarge |
| 05:51.32 | cafuego | hdkiller: Why is that? |
| 05:51.32 | vortek | bah ill just google it |
| 05:51.33 | vortek | :) |
| 05:51.42 | hdkiller | cafuego, i have to run php's as the owners permission |
| 05:51.49 | cafuego | hdkiller: yes, so? |
| 05:52.02 | Erz | why does debian say that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 command not found |
| 05:52.11 | dondelelcaro | Erz: because you're not root |
| 05:52.15 | Erz | ohhh |
| 05:52.15 | hdkiller | i can't mod_php4 can't suexec |
| 05:52.38 | hdkiller | .. so, i _have_ to run php-cgi atleast.. |
| 05:52.52 | dondelelcaro | (or you don't have /usr/sbin in your PATH...) |
| 05:52.54 | simonrvn | then i can dump mod_php* :) |
| 05:53.30 | simonrvn | cafuego: is it just ScriptAlias stuff? |
| 05:55.02 | sydneyfong | so, the apache perchild thing is vapourware...... |
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| 05:56.18 | holycow | is it me or does google have a new weirdo interface? |
| 05:56.27 | holycow | maybe just for .ca domain? |
| 05:56.36 | sydneyfong | i don't understand what the holdup was... |
| 05:57.07 | jm_ | holycow: yeah it's weird |
| 05:57.17 | holycow | eep, i hope this is a joke |
| 05:57.42 | zignig | holycow: me too. |
| 05:57.58 | holycow | *ew* i think someone hit the publish button a wee bit too soon |
| 05:57.59 | sydneyfong | holycow: me too..... in google.com.hk |
| 05:58.06 | cafuego | hdkiller: ioc, you don't have your web sites in a chroot |
| 05:58.12 | holycow | either that or redirect to wrong local mirror? |
| 05:58.14 | holycow | all of you? |
| 05:58.14 | holycow | wow |
| 05:58.40 | cafuego | hdkiller: mine ALL run as a single uid, which is mapped to virtual uids in a mysql db. They're all chrooted, so suid is not an issue. |
| 05:58.47 | maher | holycow: .ca looks fine to me |
| 05:58.59 | jm_ | it looks OK now |
| 05:58.59 | holycow | maher really? |
| 05:59.03 | herbi_ | looks fine here? |
| 05:59.06 | herbi_ | but im on .au |
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| 05:59.11 | maher | holycow: yeah - just missing froogle |
| 05:59.19 | hdkiller | cafuego, hmm.. sounds intresting |
| 05:59.23 | holycow | oh perhaps an upgrade then? |
| 05:59.25 | sydneyfong | perhaps google's low on cash and saving bandwidth costs..... ;-p |
| 05:59.31 | maher | holycow: post a screenshot |
| 05:59.32 | holycow | sydneyfong, rofl :) |
| 05:59.33 | zignig | holycow: it looks like its just a firefox thing. |
| 05:59.34 | herbi_ | although its off centre |
| 05:59.44 | holycow | oh its back now |
| 05:59.46 | holycow | haha |
| 05:59.48 | jm_ | the've added local link |
| 05:59.48 | holycow | shit |
| 05:59.50 | zignig | holycow: useragen t mix up for portables. |
| 05:59.59 | simonrvn | looks almost the same here - missing froogle that's all |
| 06:00.06 | streuner | holycow: moo |
| 06:00.08 | herbi_ | it is a bit off centre. |
| 06:00.09 | cafuego | hdkiller: make life much easier. |
| 06:00.14 | holycow | zignig, ohhhhhh, that totally makes sense thank you |
| 06:00.23 | cafuego | hdkiller: So you allow your users ssh access? |
| 06:00.24 | holycow | streuner, hey :) hows it goin' dude? |
| 06:00.36 | hdkiller | cafuego, how do u map them to uids from mysql? |
| 06:00.36 | zignig | holycow: no trouble big bovine. |
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| 06:00.50 | simonrvn | 'night |
| 06:00.53 | hdkiller | cafuego, can u say a google keyword or an url or sg? |
| 06:01.00 | cafuego | hdkiller: it's only needed in the ftp server. proftpd supports that out of the box. |
| 06:01.06 | Erz | wot does this mean |
| 06:01.06 | Erz | debconf: (Dialog frontend requires a screen at least 13 lines tall and 31 columns wide.) |
| 06:01.06 | Erz | debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline |
| 06:01.25 | hdkiller | cafuego, but your php processes will run under the same uid.. |
| 06:01.31 | cafuego | hdkiller: Yep. |
| 06:01.33 | MidgetSpy | can a DNS server be run behind a NAT firewall as long as port 53 forwards to it? |
| 06:01.37 | hdkiller | cafuego, i can't do that.. |
| 06:01.55 | cafuego | hdkiller: if it can't actually get at someone else's data, why would that matter? |
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| 06:02.34 | hdkiller | cafuego, just the 'feel of security' thingy.. |
| 06:02.35 | sydneyfong | MidgetSpy: i believe so |
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| 06:02.47 | sydneyfong | MidgetSpy: remember to forward udp too |
| 06:02.51 | cafuego | hdkiller: That's the dumbest reason for wasting performance I've ever heard |
| 06:02.53 | hdkiller | cafuego, and im actualy run an open thing.. so i try to care about security |
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| 06:03.09 | lovebug | can I change a users UID by edit /etc/passwd? I need same user on 2 host to have same UID for nfs share, otheriwse I need NIS and this is much to configure and secure. |
| 06:03.23 | hdkiller | cafuego, and what about files what created from php? |
| 06:03.25 | MidgetSpy | sydneyfong: tcp and udp, both port 53, and that oughta do it, ya? |
| 06:03.30 | hdkiller | cafuego, they will www-data? :> |
| 06:03.37 | sydneyfong | yea |
| 06:03.52 | cafuego | hdkiller: They're owned by the uid php runs as, which as far as a USER is concerned is transparently mapped to THEIR uid, so they don't know. |
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| 06:04.35 | hdkiller | how do u mean transparenty? Or it's the ftpd part? |
| 06:04.41 | cafuego | hdkiller: if user 'foo' logs in on their vftp site, the fto server says the filed are owned by foo.www |
| 06:04.56 | cafuego | hdkiller: if suer bar logs in on another server, the files are owned by bar.www |
| 06:05.09 | cafuego | hdkiller: even though at the SHELL they're all owned by vftp.www |
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| 06:05.37 | jm_ | doesn't that mean they can get to someone else's data via PHP then? |
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| 06:05.53 | cafuego | jm_: Nope, php won't traverse up the dir tree. |
| 06:05.59 | hdkiller | hm, i see |
| 06:06.04 | jm_ | cafuego: ahh cool |
| 06:06.10 | cafuego | jm_: So they're effectively chrooted. |
| 06:06.17 | cafuego | jm_: Same via ftp. |
| 06:06.21 | hdkiller | and you restrict clients whit openbasedir? |
| 06:06.33 | cafuego | jm_: All they see is html/ cgi/ and logs/ |
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| 06:06.43 | cafuego | hdkiller: Yes, and safe_mode etc |
| 06:06.46 | jm_ | cafuego: yes, that makes sense |
| 06:06.56 | holycow | later dudes |
| 06:07.04 | hdkiller | cafuego, do u have virtual host for every user or using mod rewrite for internal remapping? |
| 06:07.24 | cafuego | hdkiller: I have a vhost for each user (just for historic reasons) |
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| 06:07.57 | hdkiller | actualy im going to make a patch for php to chroot itself into the users directory |
| 06:08.01 | cafuego | Makes it easier to switch it off when they don't pay the bill too |
| 06:08.09 | cat | hey people can someone help me out to get my webcam working please Debian already detect it, but it's not working with gnomemeeting |
| 06:08.15 | cat | !ops Student is a spammer |
| 06:08.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Student is a spammer |
| 06:08.22 | hdkiller | cafuego, im run an open service.. |
| 06:08.23 | cafuego | hdkiller: make sure it can still load its own extensions |
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| 06:08.44 | cat | do i have to mount the device? or something? |
| 06:08.59 | hdkiller | cafuego, i think i have to do it in the right place.. |
| 06:09.06 | cat | is on /dev/vide0 |
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| 06:09.53 | cafuego | hdkiller: it should do wonders for performance. |
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| 06:10.08 | spowers | can a system running woody, with a lot of packages installed and running be reasonably expected to upgraded without breaking things like mysql at this point in time? |
| 06:10.21 | cafuego | hdkiller: Also check for a cache engine, so scripts don't need to be compiled each time. |
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| 06:10.39 | cafuego | spowers: At any time |
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| 06:10.51 | _joey | :)) |
| 06:10.51 | cat | can someone help me out with the? video please? |
| 06:10.52 | cafuego | spowers: Unless you're upgrading to sarge or sid. |
| 06:11.07 | cafuego | spowers: if you're just upgrading woody software, it'll be fine. |
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| 06:11.14 | _joey | does anyone want to see screenshot of ms explorer runnuning on Debian sarge ?:) |
| 06:11.21 | spowers | cafuego: oops, i meant to say sarge but i didn't. |
| 06:11.22 | carrett | dondelelcaro: is there any way you can get dpkg to stop hating me? he won't speak to me anymore. i'm sure it's because i did something stupid to him, whatever it was...i'm sorry. |
| 06:11.33 | cafuego | spowers: it will *probably* run OK. |
| 06:11.36 | spowers | my real question was more like "is woody -> sarge currently ok or not" |
| 06:11.57 | spowers | cause a friend just upgraded his woody systme to sarge and hosed a few things |
| 06:11.59 | cat | can someone read #flood so u can tell me what to do,? |
| 06:12.01 | cat | please |
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| 06:12.23 | sydneyfong | !paste |
| 06:12.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
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| 06:13.10 | sydneyfong | !paster |
| 06:13.10 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
| 06:13.15 | hdkiller | cafuego, thanks your advices.. i'll do |
| 06:13.47 | vortek | what happend to tleds |
| 06:13.48 | vortek | ? |
| 06:13.53 | vortek | I loved that program |
| 06:14.14 | dondelelcaro | carrett: uh, when was the last time you tried to talk to dpkg? |
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| 06:14.37 | dondelelcaro | damnit, someone pissed off a skunk |
| 06:14.38 | Hackel | Any idea why I'm unable to hear audio in the flash plugin? I verified firefox is using esddsp, and also tried disabling esd entirely, and still nothing... |
| 06:15.39 | carrett | dondelelcaro: a couple of minutes ago... |
| 06:15.43 | carrett | dpkg: hi |
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| 06:15.54 | carrett | he hates me |
| 06:16.00 | jm_ | dpkg: hi |
| 06:16.00 | dpkg | hola, jm_ |
| 06:16.08 | mngrif | he hates me too |
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| 06:16.32 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's interesting |
| 06:16.49 | hdkiller | hm, i have recompiled the php4-cgi package whit -march=pentium4 and now i got 10/req sec for phpinfo() .... damn |
| 06:16.58 | mngrif | Hackel: what i want to know, is how to tell firefox to not use esd at all |
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| 06:17.50 | mngrif | what kind of bot is dpkg? |
| 06:17.53 | Hackel | mngrif: set FIREFOX_DSP to "none" in /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc |
| 06:17.56 | mngrif | dpkg, what kidn of bot are you? |
| 06:17.58 | dpkg | mngrif: what are you talking about? |
| 06:18.03 | mngrif | dpkg, what kind of bot are you? |
| 06:18.04 | dpkg | mngrif: what are you talking about? |
| 06:18.11 | mngrif | peh, he doesn't even know the answer! |
| 06:18.19 | mngrif | Hackel: thank you |
| 06:18.21 | streuner | dpkg, whar are you? |
| 06:18.22 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 06:18.28 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 06:18.28 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 06:18.41 | Hackel | mngrif: Unfortunately, that doesn't work for me! mplayerplug-in no longer seems to work, either. |
| 06:18.47 | HolyGoat | many people don't know the answer offhand if they're being asked what they are |
| 06:18.51 | sydneyfong | !blootbot |
| 06:18.51 | dpkg | well, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 06:19.28 | mngrif | Hackel: eh, my biggest problem is with KDE starting up artsd at random, and since my souncard can multiplex audio on it's own, i have no need for an audio server |
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| 06:20.49 | Hackel | mngrif: what kind of sound card? Did you have to do anything fancy to set that up? I have a cheap cmi sound card, however in windows it -could- multiplex on it's own and I'd love to enable that in linux. |
| 06:21.02 | jm_ | Hackel: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 06:21.13 | dafen | anyone knows how to reduce from hamiltonian-path directly to clique, or vice versa? |
| 06:21.20 | Hackel | jm_: thanks |
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| 06:21.55 | mngrif | Hackel: sb live, sb usb audio, builtin ES1370 or whatever it's model number is... audio out on my bttv card... erm, too many soundcards |
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| 06:22.26 | mngrif | and are you sure it can't do that on it's own? i don't have to do anything for multiplexing to work on either of my soundblasters |
| 06:22.46 | jm_ | Hackel: sblive cards can do that, but beware, some of the cheap new ones can't |
| 06:22.55 | Guerin | Hackel: use dmix and alsa |
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| 06:23.09 | Hackel | mngrif: not with standard alsa setup. It's a crappy card so I wouldn't expect it, other than I saw it working in windows. |
| 06:23.12 | jm_ | mngrif: es1370 can't do that, however it gives you dsp0 and dsp1 so it's somewhat better |
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| 06:24.06 | Hackel | dmix still sounds much betetr than esd, though. :) |
| 06:24.27 | nipplesrulz | mimises irc |
| 06:24.36 | xiaogil | Is there an equivalent of StationRipper for Linux ? |
| 06:24.37 | jm_ | yeah CMI doesn't have hardware mixing |
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| 06:24.59 | streuner | xiaogil: what does stationRipper do? |
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| 06:25.54 | Hackel | xiaogil: well, there's...streamripper? I've used it along with streamtuner before, which seemed to work. |
| 06:26.12 | mngrif | jm_: takes a little hardware hacking to get dsp1 to work, so it seems with that card.. and as seeing as how it's my mobo's builtin card, i'd rather not go soldering |
| 06:26.56 | jm_ | mngrif: really? it works without anything on my SB 128 PCI card, but I think there were some weird versions present on some motherboards |
| 06:27.07 | streuner | xiaogil: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:27.27 | mngrif | jm_: there is, i got bored a long time ago and did my research.. i still want to get it working just so can use mixxx effectively :) |
| 06:27.43 | mngrif | supposedly it turns your line in into a line out |
| 06:27.58 | carrett | dondelelcaro: so am i just screwed? should i get another nick? |
| 06:28.55 | xiaogil | streunex: it rip songs from radios |
| 06:29.18 | dondelelcaro | carrett: try again really quick |
| 06:29.27 | carrett | dpkg: hi |
| 06:29.49 | streuner | xiaogil: google for 'MP3-HOWTO' |
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| 06:30.30 | Guerin | xiaogil: streamtuner |
| 06:30.57 | carrett | dpkg: forgive me |
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| 06:31.01 | vortek | ANy one know were we get the rest of the xscreen-saver screen savers at ? |
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| 06:31.26 | carrett | dondelelcaro: well, i am going to sleep. sorry. i will try again tomorrow. |
| 06:31.32 | carrett | dondelelcaro: thanks anyway. |
| 06:31.41 | jim | mngrif: the line in and line outs of sound cards are what you might call "hard-wired", that is, they are wired and optimized for their function. it's even possible that trying to use a line in as a line out or vise versa can damage your hardware if the signal sent is too hot |
| 06:31.48 | vortek | dpkg: tleds |
| 06:31.49 | dpkg | it has been said that tleds is a program that blinks the keyboard LEDs indicating outgoing and incoming packets on selected network interfaces, and whose bin's are not tleds but tleds_20 and tleds_21. DONT USE, its pure evil it rooted up my keyboard |
| 06:32.16 | jim | but it's also possible that PARTICULAR sound cards that HAVE BEEN DESIGNED that way, will work fine for that |
| 06:32.17 | vortek | WTFD |
| 06:32.21 | vortek | Tleds works fine |
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| 06:33.19 | jim | vortek: for any and all keyboards in the world? |
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| 06:33.26 | furrywolf | the sound card in a box I set up for someone has all the inputs reconfigurable as outputs... for 2-channel output, it has line in and mic. 4-channel, no mic. 6-channel, no line-in. |
| 06:33.41 | mngrif | jim: rumor was that the ES1370 was wired so that the line-in could be either/or a line in or a line out... for most cards you had to do some hardware hacking, but for some people it "just worked". my ES1370 was builtin to the mobo, so I dare not to try and hack it |
| 06:33.55 | cat | hey can someone help me out to get my webcam up working? please Debian already detect the webcam so when i try using the gnomemeeting it doesn't work with other program it doesn't what should i do i already have permission on the group what else? |
| 06:33.58 | mngrif | furrywolf: what card is that? i need one... |
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| 06:34.08 | jim | mngrif: ahh, so that comes under "designed for that" :) |
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| 06:34.24 | mngrif | jim: aye :) |
| 06:34.43 | jm_ | mngrif: sblive cards work the same way, some connectors have several functions |
| 06:34.58 | furrywolf | it wasn't a card, per se... it was onboard sound. don't remember what motherboard. |
| 06:35.09 | furrywolf | one of the plugs (I think the main out) could also be a digital output |
| 06:35.11 | mngrif | jm_: know anything about the sb live xgamer? |
| 06:35.36 | mngrif | i would kill to have 2x line outs on that card |
| 06:35.40 | jim | furrywolf: so that also comes under "designed and wired for that" :) |
| 06:35.45 | Guerin | cat: you're being so vague it's almost impossible to help you |
| 06:36.13 | cat | i'm working hard enought to get this to work, but it doesn't |
| 06:36.21 | jm_ | mngrif: hmm can't see that card on their page |
| 06:36.33 | mngrif | it's... uh... 4 years old |
| 06:37.19 | Coke | I've been trying to get some answers in #freenode, but no luck, why the heck must I recover and release my nick several times per week even though I have SECURE ON ? |
| 06:37.24 | jm_ | ahh, mine's about year and a few months old |
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| 06:37.56 | mngrif | jm_: won it from blizzard... made up from the $60 i dropped on D2... and the $40 i dropped on SC... |
| 06:38.09 | vortek | Whats that file you edit to put wich window manager you want to load when you type startx |
| 06:38.16 | mngrif | vortek: .xinitrc |
| 06:38.21 | vortek | thanxs |
| 06:38.23 | jm_ | vortek: /msg dpkg /.xsession |
| 06:38.36 | mngrif | vortek: "exec whatever" is how the line should look |
| 06:38.41 | vortek | k |
| 06:38.45 | vortek | thanxs all |
| 06:38.54 | jim | cat: if you're having problems getting help, maybe it's in what info you provide when you ask... /msg dpkg sicco /msg dpkg doesnt work |
| 06:39.09 | mngrif | lol |
| 06:39.21 | jim | mwilson: what's happening with your jetdirects? |
| 06:39.31 | mngrif | garr... i need a good text RPG to play |
| 06:39.46 | Guerin | mngrif: irc! |
| 06:39.52 | mngrif | Guerin: close :P |
| 06:40.02 | mwilson | jim: Nothing. I just came into possession of a bunch of EX Plus(es) with varying firmware revs and various degrees of "working". |
| 06:40.04 | mngrif | You see a wumpa in the distance! |
| 06:40.06 | Guerin | irc is the best TRPG ever |
| 06:40.30 | Guerin | you can go on trollhunting raids |
| 06:40.35 | Guerin | play 'dodge the ops' |
| 06:40.39 | mwilson | jim: So I'm upgrading them all to the latest firmware and getting them to work. Then they get donated to the church I volunteer for so we can get their laser printers on the network. |
| 06:40.44 | mngrif | and 'bash the n00b' |
| 06:41.06 | Guerin | nono |
| 06:41.10 | Guerin | that's bash the moron |
| 06:41.26 | Guerin | noobs are fine if they're not reconciled to stay noobs forever |
| 06:41.34 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:41.38 | Gnea | heh |
| 06:41.57 | mngrif | ... laughing. |
| 06:42.06 | Guerin | !cluebat mngrif |
| 06:42.07 | furrywolf | You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You move north. You are in a channel with a number of operators. Do you attack? |
| 06:42.10 | jim | n00bs have a chance of learning something... some others purposely refuse to learn... I guess that would be a good definition of moron |
| 06:42.14 | Gnea | !cupsaddsmb |
| 06:42.21 | mngrif | indeed |
| 06:42.30 | directhex | it is dark. you are likely to be eaten by a grue. |
| 06:42.33 | Gnea | i did this once before successfully... |
| 06:42.36 | mwilson | jim: I gave them a pair of laser printers already. |
| 06:42.39 | jm_ | Gnea: it's in CUPS docs |
| 06:42.41 | mngrif | light torch |
| 06:42.48 | vortek | Ok I think I got everything going |
| 06:42.49 | vortek | :) |
| 06:43.09 | furrywolf | you light your torch. in the process you accidentally light some odd powerder on the ground on fire. |
| 06:43.11 | vortek | One last problem My xwindows screen does not fit my monitor and xvidtune does not do the trick.. Any suggestions ? |
| 06:43.13 | furrywolf | powder |
| 06:43.22 | Guerin | furrywolf: You emerge in a chamber with a drooling moron. What do you do? |
| 06:43.26 | jm_ | vortek: create a custom modeline |
| 06:43.29 | Guerin | > equip cluebat |
| 06:43.29 | jim | mwilson: so when you upgrade the firmware on the jetdirects, does that always make them work properly? or are some also physically damaged? |
| 06:43.33 | mwilson | Yes, forget that xvidtune exists. |
| 06:43.35 | Gnea | jm_: that doesn't mean diddly-squat. the wintendo machine will find the printer via a scan but the driver won't load right, so i figured i'd try this option.. but no matter what it just won't export |
| 06:43.45 | mngrif | > flop down on powder |
| 06:43.51 | mngrif | (eh, it would work in D&D) |
| 06:44.04 | furrywolf | I fetch my +10 cluebat with a bonus that increases inversely proportional to the IQ of the opponent. |
| 06:44.04 | jm_ | Gnea: ahh so you mean the other way arround, windows prints to CUPS? |
| 06:44.22 | mngrif | furrywolf: i need one of those... dupe it for me? |
| 06:44.28 | jim | Guerin: I throw my 50 pound unix manual, and command to the air: PAGE 4500! READ! |
| 06:44.32 | mwilson | jim: None seem to be actually *broken*, but so far every one of them that misbehaves with jetadmin cleans up its act when I upgrade it. |
| 06:44.41 | Guerin | jim: heh |
| 06:44.43 | Guerin | you win |
| 06:45.08 | jm_ | Gnea: well that is also in CUPS docs ;) |
| 06:45.08 | mwilson | jim: Two of them were screwed somehow and wouldn't let me telnet them even after resetting them to defaults. You could ping 'em, but that was it. |
| 06:45.12 | mngrif | i would've thrown my unix manual, but, my monitor is kinda sitting on it. how geeky is that? |
| 06:45.16 | jim | the moron then levels up |
| 06:45.27 | furrywolf | hrmm. Why, even with dma on, does reading from a dvd use 100% of one of my cpus? |
| 06:45.27 | Gnea | jm_: basically, the usb printer is an hp all-in-one so it's actually using a ptal interface to fascilitate both printing and scanning - a winxp system needs to be able to print to it - i had this setup once before just fine but the configuration appears to have been reset |
| 06:45.28 | Guerin | jim: and becomes an idiot |
| 06:45.52 | jim | what';s after idiot? :) |
| 06:46.06 | Gnea | jm_: if i hadn't read the docs i wouldn't be saying something here |
| 06:46.15 | jm_ | furrywolf: DMA is usually disabled in case of read errors, how did you check if DMA is enabled? |
| 06:46.19 | Gnea | and people wonder why i go off on rants :P |
| 06:46.32 | furrywolf | hdparm /dev/hdd shows using_dma = 1 |
| 06:46.38 | jm_ | fine, I'm just saying where you can find how to do it |
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| 06:46.54 | Gnea | since you don't know how, okay cool |
| 06:46.58 | furrywolf | getting rather pathetic read speeds too |
| 06:47.00 | jm_ | yes, I do |
| 06:47.24 | Gnea | you lie like a rug |
| 06:47.28 | furrywolf | hasn't oopsed yet though, which is better than 2.6.8.1 managed. :) |
| 06:47.39 | jim | uhoh... Gnea is losing exp points... |
| 06:47.44 | jm_ | uhuh |
| 06:47.50 | jim | looks like he'll level down :) |
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| 06:48.16 | jm_ | read spead also depends on the drive, I have this Hitachi drive in my workstation which has severe problems reading any burned DVD discs |
| 06:48.17 | Gnea | or will I :) |
| 06:48.19 | streuner | Gnea: there are about 6-7 people in #cups, might help if they awake |
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| 06:48.29 | Gnea | streuner: heh |
| 06:48.38 | furrywolf | this is a 16x dual-format double-layer burner, reading a disk it burnt last night. |
| 06:48.48 | jim | Gnea: quick, equip your reading glasses! |
| 06:48.59 | streuner | Gnea: URL? |
| 06:49.11 | Gnea | ah heh it linked back to cups.org, figures |
| 06:49.31 | Gnea | streuner: seems i need to install some sort of windows drivers on the linux-side |
| 06:49.34 | Gnea | retarded |
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| 06:49.41 | Gnea | oh wait, it's windows |
| 06:49.43 | LinuxNIT | where can i get an older version of trancode say version 1.12 |
| 06:49.59 | jm_ | well in that case it should read it fine I suppose |
| 06:50.14 | jim | LinuxNIT: transcode? that have to do with xfig and transfig? |
| 06:50.17 | furrywolf | I would hope so. it shouldn't need 100% to do it, either. :) |
| 06:50.24 | furrywolf | 100% cpu, that is |
| 06:50.55 | furrywolf | cpu really shouldn't be the bottleneck reading a dvd... |
| 06:51.09 | jm_ | yeah, that's why DMA is used |
| 06:51.12 | streuner | Gnea: did you try the forum at linuxprinting.org? |
| 06:51.32 | LinuxNIT | k3b says i cant use any versions of trancode newer than 1.12 |
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| 06:52.00 | furrywolf | and my designjet 230 still doesn't work from linux. |
| 06:52.34 | furrywolf | s/is used/should be used... I don't see how using DMA it can max out a cpu like that. |
| 06:52.36 | Gnea | streuner: naw my brain farted too many times - thanks, checking |
| 06:52.42 | ix | printing in linux is absolute hell. |
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| 06:53.07 | jim | ix: I dunno... printing works just fine for me... |
| 06:53.22 | ix | it's still a goddamn hassle. |
| 06:53.30 | ix | but it is in wintendo also. |
| 06:53.49 | furrywolf | printing here works fine too... I have 4 printers connecting at the moment, including one photo printer and one wide-format printer. all of which work flawlessly and give printouts better than they look from windoze... |
| 06:54.10 | furrywolf | s/connecting/connected/I'm too tired to type. |
| 06:54.14 | jim | ix: I managed to get a good printer |
| 06:54.20 | ix | hehe. |
| 06:54.30 | ayman | my / partion ( 250 M ) is full ,but i do have some ather partion that is free and unmounted . how can i linke this partition to my / partition to incress it size. ?? |
| 06:54.35 | mwilson | Postscript laser... only way to go. |
| 06:54.39 | holycow | ix, i just make sure i have a decent printer and one that is known to work, the only thing that ticks me off is that every app has its own printing menu |
| 06:54.47 | ix | yuepp. |
| 06:54.59 | ix | my problem was that there was already bought a printer. |
| 06:55.03 | jim | and it's treated me well for at least 2-300,000 print cycles |
| 06:55.11 | furrywolf | the only printer I have that doesn't work is my designjet 220 (yes, I said 230 last time. typo) |
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| 06:55.39 | holycow | ix, thats an interesting point |
| 06:55.40 | jm_ | Samsungs are also nice, they come with PPD files |
| 06:55.54 | directhex | and a penguin on the box |
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| 06:56.01 | jm_ | didn't notice that |
| 06:56.02 | holycow | one can buy print servers for cheap *hmmm* i wonder if they could be used as a fronted for non conformant printers? |
| 06:56.25 | mwilson | holycow: Not usually. |
| 06:56.36 | jm_ | or maybe I have, but it wass too long ago ;) |
| 06:56.40 | jim | well a linux box can, depending on what it has to do |
| 06:56.46 | holycow | mwilson, :-/ |
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| 06:57.25 | furrywolf | my stylus 1520 (does perfect 14x19 prints) is enough for most things. :) |
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| 06:57.40 | ix | shit, I'm pinging out. |
| 06:57.40 | ix | well, gotta go to school. |
| 06:57.41 | wookie | ok so my dns server works but i cant ping hosts on the network any more.. they are there and they surf the net but i can do local lookups, any ideas? |
| 06:57.42 | cafuego | if you ever feel like you're enjoying life too much, i can heartily recommend offering to write an MDB database web-app in ASP VBscript |
| 06:58.12 | holycow | cafuego, rofl |
| 06:58.18 | holycow | cafuego, is that your fate currently? |
| 06:58.39 | duken | what your opinion about ubuntu or debian sarge as server ?? |
| 06:58.46 | cafuego | Oh,a doy u must have enough self-respect to keep it properly OO. |
| 06:58.48 | zignig | cafuego: i'd rather pull my fingernail out. |
| 06:58.56 | maher | duken: use sarge |
| 06:58.57 | deadcat | duken: neither |
| 06:59.00 | cafuego | zignig: I'm down to 7 of those already |
| 06:59.09 | mwilson | furrywolf: What does it speak? |
| 06:59.12 | duken | maher: why ? |
| 06:59.16 | zignig | cafuego: ah , bored or frustrated. |
| 06:59.20 | maher | duken: it will be stable soon |
| 06:59.22 | zignig | ? |
| 06:59.35 | duken | sory it's not flame |
| 06:59.39 | directhex | maher, not sarge because servers should have security updates. not ubuntu because servers shouldn't run gnome |
| 06:59.39 | holycow | duken, it won't matter past sarge |
| 06:59.40 | cafuego | Error Type: ADODB.Recordset (0x800A0E78) Operation is not allowed when the object is closed. |
| 06:59.42 | mwilson | wookie: Why *would* you be able to do local lookups? |
| 06:59.51 | duken | just for opinion |
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| 06:59.56 | cafuego | let me count the ways... |
| 06:59.57 | furrywolf | hp-gl, hp-gl/2, hp-rtl |
| 07:00.06 | holycow | once sarge is out the door, the ubuntu work should really start to help out the debian folks at the unstable stage |
| 07:00.12 | wookie | mwilson, so i can look up and ping local computers names or routers etc |
| 07:00.35 | holycow | it shoudl theoretically be easier to roll out the unstable -> stable stuff, hopefully resulting in faster releases for debian |
| 07:00.44 | FlimFlamMan | a bunch of gypsies jump out and start dancing around at the mention of "once sarge is out the door" |
| 07:00.57 | holycow | altho debian keeps on growing to my amazement, currently it has 16 600 packages, that i find astounding |
| 07:01.05 | zignig | holycow: ubuntu is based on a snapshot of unstable , so yes. |
| 07:01.09 | maher | directhex: it was an either or |
| 07:01.36 | mngrif | mm... quakeforge. |
| 07:01.46 | jim | not another "let's speed up the developers" rant |
| 07:01.52 | G5 | sarge is/was too bleeding edge for me; woody+backports work for me |
| 07:01.59 | mwilson | wookie: No, not why do you want it, why would you think that it would work? |
| 07:02.20 | Nurbs | FlimFlamMan: lol |
| 07:02.26 | directhex | G5, sarge is clotting edge. woody is rusted-to-buggery edge |
| 07:02.40 | mngrif | btw, what's the thing with "this apt has super cow powers"? |
| 07:02.52 | directhex | !moo |
| 07:02.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 07:02.52 | jim | holycow: there's lots of software out there :) |
| 07:02.53 | zignig | directhex: woody is shiny polished 'old' steel. |
| 07:02.55 | jm_ | mngrif: apt-get moo |
| 07:02.58 | robewald | hi, for debugging of a program i need software rendering, how do i tell X temporarily to use mesa instead of nvidia? |
| 07:03.36 | G5 | if it wasn't for backports... *sigh* |
| 07:03.39 | robewald | right now i switched nvidia to nv but now glx is totally gone :( |
| 07:03.39 | holycow | jim, lol, no one can make debian folks do crap, debian will do what debian will do, however, you gotta admit that there are a bunch of dd's that think it could be a wee bit faster |
| 07:03.41 | furrywolf | it takes about 2% cpu to burn a cd at 8x. it takes 100% cpu to read the same dvd at about 2x. something is seriously wrong there. /me contemplates filing a kernel bug. |
| 07:03.52 | FlimFlamMan | woody is a cast-frame 1961 rambler that still runs sitting to the side of the driveway |
| 07:04.02 | furrywolf | s/cd/dvd |
| 07:04.30 | jim | holycow: yes, there are. I'm not one of those... I prefer stability in my servers... |
| 07:04.31 | holycow | jim, not that it should be faster, nor that it should do anything that i want it to, my statement is less what should be and more of a 'bet' on what might actually happen |
| 07:04.38 | Gnea | ok the cups documentation says to download the cups windows drivers yet it doesn't say where to download them from |
| 07:04.40 | jm_ | furrywolf: it doesn't do that for me - it stays below 5% IIRC |
| 07:04.45 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 07:05.04 | mngrif | directhex: ahh, i remember that song |
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| 07:05.09 | holycow | jim, *nod* |
| 07:05.12 | furrywolf | just installed .11.7... under .8.1 it oopsed reading dvds. so at least they're working on it. :) |
| 07:05.13 | pixil9 | How can I change my console resolution with grub? |
| 07:05.18 | Gnea | Coming Soon! |
| 07:05.20 | mngrif | furrywolf: DMA? |
| 07:05.22 | Gnea | what a crock of shit |
| 07:05.23 | jm_ | ahh I use .10 for now |
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| 07:05.39 | Gnea | jm_: thank you for that waste of time. |
| 07:05.47 | furrywolf | mngrif: hdparm /dev/hdd shows using_dma = 1... so it should be using dma. unless it's broken, of course. |
| 07:05.56 | jm_ | pixil9: by passing kernel parameters or by using stm |
| 07:06.06 | jm_ | Gnea: thank you for being stubborn moron |
| 07:06.08 | pixil9 | jm_: Can you direct me to some docs pls? |
| 07:06.23 | jm_ | pixil9: are you using FB? |
| 07:06.31 | pixil9 | I don't know what FB is |
| 07:06.34 | pixil9 | :/ |
| 07:06.34 | jm_ | framebuffer |
| 07:06.38 | zignig | pixil9: Fat Bastard ! |
| 07:06.50 | pixil9 | well probably not |
| 07:07.00 | mngrif | furrywolf: PIIX is mostly broken, so if you're stuck with that chipset, googluck |
| 07:07.02 | pixil9 | i tried putting vga=790 in my menu.lst |
| 07:07.17 | mngrif | good too |
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| 07:07.36 | jm_ | PIIX broken? I use it right now and it's certainly not broken ;) |
| 07:07.44 | furrywolf | no clue what piix is... vt82c686a chipset though. |
| 07:07.45 | jm_ | pixil9: that's explained in svga.txt |
| 07:07.54 | mngrif | jm_: i think i'm just cursed with horrid hardware |
| 07:08.08 | jm_ | furrywolf: yes, I have that at home, works OK |
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| 07:08.23 | peterS | furrywolf: that's not piix, then, that's via82cxxx |
| 07:08.26 | mwilson | PIIX is "mostly broken"? Interesting... somehow I think the vast majority of motherboards out there using it would put the lie to that. |
| 07:08.33 | jm_ | mngrif: there might be some buggy old versions out there, but they have long fixed them (which of course doesn't help if you're stick with it) |
| 07:08.34 | rmrfchik | Hi |
| 07:08.41 | furrywolf | you can burn dvds under .10? I had to upgrade and/or downgrade to avoid hard lockups with .10 |
| 07:08.50 | rmrfchik | Why apt-move may skip some packages? |
| 07:08.56 | mngrif | jm_: first intel mobo to have a 100MHZ FSB |
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| 07:09.03 | mwilson | bedtime |
| 07:09.19 | zignig | mwilson: gnite! |
| 07:09.33 | wookie | mwilson, because it worked before a power cut now it doesnt |
| 07:09.42 | jm_ | yes, I can burn them fine, but I do it as root |
| 07:09.43 | holycow | mwilson, one can only hope open bios / linux bios types of things will become an option someday |
| 07:10.02 | G5 | will woody work on the intel e7210 chipset? planning to upgrade my server to such a m/b in the near future |
| 07:10.02 | holycow | tyan mobos are theoretcially supposed to use linux bios ... not sure what payload they will be using tho |
| 07:10.14 | furrywolf | I haven't noticed any hardware oddness on this box... sharing IRQs with the usb controllers is random, but that seems standard for via usb... |
| 07:10.20 | FlimFlamMan | so, let's say i have an old red hat 7.2 system, and i want to upgrade to debian-sarge. i'm willing to configure all the services etc. from scratch, but i have about 300 users whose userids start at 500 instead of 1000. is there a safe way to change userids, and user and group ownerships on files, on the existing red hat system so that it will transition OK to debian-sarge when the time comes? |
| 07:10.25 | pixil9 | jmob: thx |
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| 07:10.29 | pixil9 | jm_ |
| 07:10.39 | mngrif | most of 2.4 and not a single 2.2 that i tried had DMA working properly on my chipset |
| 07:10.47 | furrywolf | acpi even works perfectly. :) |
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| 07:11.53 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: I'd script it. quite safe if you can assume no funny business concurrent with your script running (like users purposely creating symlinks specifically to fool it, *during* the run) |
| 07:12.45 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: find /home /var -user 500 -print0 | xargs chown -h 1000 |
| 07:12.49 | FlimFlamMan | peterS, how would that work? just walk the entire filesystem and change uid/gid, say, by adding 1000? |
| 07:12.52 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: where 500 and 1000 are fed in from a script |
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| 07:13.16 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: well, xargs -0r, not just xargs, but still |
| 07:13.25 | FlimFlamMan | and then hand-edit passwd/shadow etc |
| 07:13.49 | furrywolf | takes about twice as long to read a dvd as to burn it. that's not right. :) |
| 07:13.54 | furrywolf | and about 20 times the cpu |
| 07:13.55 | furrywolf | blah |
| 07:14.00 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: right, or you can script that too. just passwd, shadow doesn't have uid numbers |
| 07:14.13 | FlimFlamMan | ah yes group |
| 07:14.29 | jim | FlimFlamMan: the hand-edit thing is easy for some things, difficult for others (like adding users for example) |
| 07:14.38 | furrywolf | how hard is it to make debian live with ids starting at 500? :) |
| 07:14.41 | peterS | group doesn't have UID numbers either (: you may or may not care to move your custom group entries to another range |
| 07:14.52 | prh | anyone here got an OID and willing to allocate me one from their root? |
| 07:14.53 | peterS | furrywolf: quite easy, really. /etc/adduser.conf |
| 07:15.12 | furrywolf | perhaps the best interim solution would be to just not bother changing them? |
| 07:15.27 | jim | prh: what's an OID? |
| 07:15.39 | peterS | jim: if you don't know, you don't have one and can't help him (: |
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| 07:15.57 | prh | jim: x500/ldap object identifier. all object types use an OID |
| 07:16.00 | jim | peterS: my question still stands |
| 07:16.15 | peterS | jim: it's a series of integers separated by dots which are allocated to you uniquely by I forget whom |
| 07:16.16 | jim | ahh, he's right, I don' have one of those :) |
| 07:16.40 | prh | jim: if you had been allocated 4.2.5.65 you could give me anything under that ie 4.2.5.65.699 and I could use anything under that |
| 07:16.53 | prh | peterS: IANA/BSI/others |
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| 07:16.57 | jim | peterS: kinda lik a ip addr, but used for another purpose |
| 07:17.06 | peterS | prh: right, I was trying to think of the correct acronym IANA (: |
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| 07:17.31 | peterS | jim: right - variable-length, in particular. any prefix belongs to you and you can sub-allocate it as far down as you want, to whomever you want, for any purpose |
| 07:17.58 | jim | peterS: ahh, so it's not a -finite- resource |
| 07:18.00 | peterS | jim: it's not uncommon to see OIDs 10 numbers deep |
| 07:18.15 | prh | no |
| 07:18.27 | prh | ie: objectIdentifier OpenLDAProot 1.3.6.1.4.1.4203 |
| 07:18.44 | peterS | right.. |
| 07:18.44 | hdkiller | mc .. subshell.c: couldn't open master side of pty pty_open_master: No such file or directory ? |
| 07:18.52 | prh | so all openldap specific Objects will be 8 deep |
| 07:19.44 | peterS | jim: what prh is saying is that the OpenLDAP project was assigned the above prefix of 7 numbers. they get to use anything below that |
| 07:19.45 | furrywolf | *fluffs his tail and yawns* |
| 07:19.51 | furrywolf | welp, I need sleep. cyas all |
| 07:20.10 | hdkiller | mc runs in chroot, i have ncurses-term.. |
| 07:20.26 | vortek | hrm whats the command line to start kde |
| 07:20.29 | vortek | kde don't work lol |
| 07:20.32 | jim | peterS: hmm, might they be willing to assign OIDs? |
| 07:20.45 | peterS | jim: for things unrelated to LDAP, probably not |
| 07:20.57 | hdkiller | sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 07:21.41 | jim | how can you use such an id for non-ldap things? and if you did, how would it be made meaningful? |
| 07:21.45 | vortek | so such file |
| 07:21.53 | jim | so nuch file! |
| 07:22.32 | carnage | how do you get a list of all the currently installed packages? |
| 07:22.38 | vortek | heh |
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| 07:22.44 | SlayerXP | carnage: dpkg -l |
| 07:22.48 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 07:22.48 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
| 07:22.49 | vortek | kde just installed almost 1 gig of crap and it won't even start lol |
| 07:22.57 | prh | jim: they can be used with X500 and erm other things. rfc3383 |
| 07:22.59 | vortek | this is crazy |
| 07:23.38 | carnage | man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 07:23.38 | dondelelcaro | vortek: the kde metapackage has a whole bunch of things in it. What exactly won't start? |
| 07:23.50 | prh | jim: snmp uses OIDs too |
| 07:23.53 | dondelelcaro | carnage: dpkg-reconfigure locales; and make sure your LANG is built |
| 07:23.54 | jim | prh: ok, so at its root, the OID is not strictly for ldap? |
| 07:24.12 | vortek | dondelelcaro: I put exec kde in .xinitrc and kde just wont start |
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| 07:24.52 | peterS | vortek: I think the correct command is 'startkde' |
| 07:25.00 | dondelelcaro | vortek: run exec xterm; in your .xsession (use xsession, not xinitrc) and then run kde or startkde from inside the xterm to see what exactly is happening. |
| 07:25.06 | Keshek | i need some help with something, i installed the nvidia drivers last night and for some reason i now have a graphical login, problem is that now if i logout it goes back to the login and i dont have an option to shutdown, anyone know how to get rid of the login |
| 07:25.21 | vortek | k |
| 07:25.28 | carnage | how do i make sure my LANG is built? |
| 07:25.50 | jim | carnage: don't assembly instructions come with/ |
| 07:25.51 | jim | ? |
| 07:25.52 | dondelelcaro | carnage: run dpkg-reconfigure locales; and make sure it's selected, and that you see it building when you finish making your selections |
| 07:25.59 | furrywolf | keshek: ctrl-alt-F1, root, root password, poweroff. works for me. :) |
| 07:26.37 | Keshek | furrywolf: is there a way to get rid of the login permanently or will that do it |
| 07:26.41 | smhar | what is the diffrenece between apt-get update and aptget upgrade? |
| 07:26.59 | furrywolf | yep. update-rc.d to not start it... |
| 07:27.01 | SlayerXP | smacnay: one updates the other upgrades. |
| 07:27.14 | ledestin | Keshek: it is your gdm/kdm that should be tweaked/upgraded. I doubt nvidia drivers have anything to do with it. |
| 07:27.15 | Vince34 | hello |
| 07:27.22 | Keshek | where do i find that file and exactly what do i need to change |
| 07:27.24 | G5 | update = update indexes; upgrade = upgrade packages |
| 07:27.26 | jim | smhar: man apt-get and see :) |
| 07:27.41 | furrywolf | you can also just apt-get remove xdm if you want it gone |
| 07:27.54 | vortek | Ahh I got it |
| 07:27.55 | furrywolf | (replace xdm with gdm if you use gdm) |
| 07:28.07 | vortek | dondelelcaro : I just added startkde |
| 07:28.23 | Keshek | what is the difference between xdm and gdm? |
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| 07:28.37 | furrywolf | gdm gives you more features. |
| 07:28.49 | furrywolf | (including an option to shut down) |
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| 07:28.54 | jerome | Keshek: gdm gnomish. |
| 07:28.54 | Keshek | if i do gdm is there a way to add shutdown to kde menu |
| 07:29.29 | kang1 | how can i use yahoo im for chatting? |
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| 07:29.34 | ledestin | Keshek: gdm is like windows, if you can't tweak it in its GUI, good luck! |
| 07:29.51 | jim | kang1: find a client for it, use that |
| 07:30.20 | jerome | kang1: gaim does yahoo. Get it and use it as you would do with any other IM client |
| 07:30.25 | kang1 | jim: would ircnet be a client? |
| 07:30.27 | ledestin | Keshek: if you don't use sessions, you can just say `poweroff' from a terminal |
| 07:30.51 | shurik | dondelelcaro I'v egot custom built kernel working, thanks. you need to clean boject files each time you use make-kpkg imho and after you run make menuconfig explained in its man page |
| 07:30.51 | Keshek | ledestin: i never installed gdm or kdm that i know of or reconfigured anything so how did it get there |
| 07:30.51 | jim | kang1: ircnet sounds like the name of an existing irc network |
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| 07:31.04 | jim | but I dunno what else that name might be used for |
| 07:31.06 | ledestin | Keshek: do you use gnome or kde? |
| 07:31.17 | kang1 | jim: can you recommend one? |
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| 07:31.28 | jim | I dunno... |
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| 07:31.36 | jim | maybe gaim might work for you |
| 07:31.41 | Keshek | ldestin: i use kde |
| 07:32.05 | shurik | kde |
| 07:32.08 | prh | hmmm both firefox and konqueror have frozen. any idea why? |
| 07:32.10 | shurik | !!! |
| 07:32.10 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 07:32.13 | kang1 | gaim itself is an im or client? |
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| 07:32.17 | ledestin | Keshek: the simplest thing to do would be upgrade kdm and relevant things and hope it fixes it. |
| 07:32.26 | jim | prh: low temperature? |
| 07:32.30 | shurik | kopete on kde |
| 07:32.33 | prh | :O) |
| 07:32.41 | Keshek | i just installed kde last night so would upgrading work? |
| 07:33.09 | jim | it's almost even a viable guess... |
| 07:33.12 | ledestin | Keshek: so, you used gnome before? maybe you've had your 'shutdown' button in gnome? |
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| 07:33.28 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
| 07:33.28 | jim | since we don't knmow anything from you that might rule it out :) |
| 07:34.07 | jim | getting help is a cooperation game... the more info you give, the faster and more robust your help might become |
| 07:34.13 | Keshek | ledestin: actually i had wmaker before that, but i didnt have a shutdown button, just exit which would close X, the same thing in kde |
| 07:34.17 | kang1 | shurik: i am also trying kopete on kde but experience keyboard jammed whenever i entered a chatroom. |
| 07:34.30 | Keshek | ledestin: but now that tha graphical login is there it goes to that instead |
| 07:34.30 | Guerin | !beer jim |
| 07:35.09 | Maulkin | Morning all |
| 07:35.42 | ledestin | Keshek: that is weird. having login is usual, also sometimes, shutdown and other buttons will be there. |
| 07:35.52 | Maulkin | !botsnack |
| 07:35.52 | dpkg | :), Maulkin |
| 07:36.06 | Keshek | ledestin: i did a clean install and installed packages after that |
| 07:36.09 | jim | !beer beer |
| 07:36.30 | ledestin | Keshek: you can try to configure kdm to show shutdown button |
| 07:37.08 | ledestin | Keshek: if you're on stable, upgrade to testing |
| 07:37.13 | vortek | Hrm you'd think there'd be a section in KDE to select themes other then the limited configure desktop option |
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| 07:37.40 | Keshek | ledestin: i am on testing, how to i configure kdm? |
| 07:38.02 | Keshek | vortek: there is a theme manager, cant remember where atm |
| 07:38.06 | kaplanfx | which package do I need to reconfigure if I want dpkg/apt to rewrite my Xsession files? |
| 07:38.08 | vortek | Keshek : ahhh |
| 07:38.22 | kaplanfx | im getting an error about run_parts: command not found |
| 07:38.27 | sydneyfong | !wine |
| 07:38.27 | dpkg | wine is probably at http://www.winehq.com/. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 07:38.28 | furrywolf | dammit. time to re-rtfm on the wacom drivers. now that I'm running dual-head, the X axis on my tablet is twice as wide as it should be. |
| 07:38.34 | sydneyfong | !wine wine |
| 07:38.38 | furrywolf | tomorrow, though. bbl, sleep. |
| 07:38.39 | Keshek | vortek: as soon as i reboot ill let you know, if someone doesnt beat me to it |
| 07:38.54 | ledestin | Keshek: no idea. I've just had relevant experience with gdm. It had setup menu in login screen. |
| 07:39.32 | vortek | thanxs |
| 07:39.33 | Keshek | ledestin: how do i get gdm then? |
| 07:39.46 | ledestin | Keshek: the thing with kde/gnome is that they're sometimes impossible/hard to customize. |
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| 07:40.03 | ecfx | What is that easy program to make deb files |
| 07:40.15 | ledestin | Keshek: if you want to use kde I think you must use kdm. Maybe I'm wrong though. |
| 07:40.28 | ledestin | Keshek: hey, try the kde channel! |
| 07:40.31 | G5 | does anybody know if woody works on the intel e7210 chipset? |
| 07:40.41 | ecfx | G5, yes |
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| 07:40.59 | ecfx | G5, Just use sarge |
| 07:41.12 | G5 | ecfx: i'd prefer not to use sarge |
| 07:41.20 | ecfx | G5, why? |
| 07:41.24 | Keshek | vortek: if you go to the control center, the theme manager is under appearance & themes |
| 07:41.27 | peterS | G5: I'd be surprised if woody supported much, if any, of the e7210 chipset |
| 07:41.30 | G5 | ecfx: too bleeding edge for me :) |
| 07:41.36 | Guerin | G5: what is this chipset? ide? mobo? graphics? |
| 07:41.38 | vortek | cpmtrp; cemter |
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| 07:41.45 | vortek | Keshek : k let me find that |
| 07:41.57 | Chris62vw | what program plays .wmv files? thanks |
| 07:42.00 | Keshek | vortek: should be on the main menu |
| 07:42.02 | peterS | Guerin: mobo with ide, is primarily what he'll be worried about |
| 07:42.04 | G5 | guerin: intel "torey pines" motherboard |
| 07:42.15 | Guerin | should be a kernel issue only, then |
| 07:42.18 | peterS | yeah |
| 07:42.22 | peterS | and woody's kernel is ooooold |
| 07:42.35 | G5 | tend to use backported 2.4.27 kernel these days |
| 07:42.38 | Guerin | custom d-i could do it; installing sarge then debootstrapping woody could do it |
| 07:43.12 | ecfx | There is some easy program to take source code and make deb files |
| 07:43.16 | ecfx | Anyone know what I'm talking about? |
| 07:43.23 | Guerin | ecfx: be more specific |
| 07:43.28 | Guerin | ecfx: any random source? |
| 07:43.35 | ecfx | Guerin, yea |
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| 07:43.54 | Guerin | !tell ecfx about nm guide |
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| 07:44.06 | Chris62vw | I'm having trouble playing windows media files (.wmv) does anyone know of a program that plays these files? thanks |
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| 07:44.23 | vortek | k thanxs |
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| 07:44.26 | Guerin | Chris62vw: mplayer or xine, given w32codecs from marillat |
| 07:44.28 | jm_ | Chris62vw: mplayer, vlc, ... |
| 07:44.34 | Guerin | Chris62vw: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 07:44.43 | Chris62vw | thanks Guerin |
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| 07:45.00 | Chris62vw | jm_, I cant get vlc to play a .wmv file |
| 07:45.07 | Guerin | needs codecs |
| 07:45.09 | Guerin | see above |
| 07:45.10 | jm_ | Chris62vw: see above, you need w32codecs |
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| 07:45.22 | G5 | did some google'ing already, but don't see much in terms of e7210 and debian (woody), which could mean that nobody has a problem, or nobody tried it yet |
| 07:45.25 | Chris62vw | ahh, nice, thanks |
| 07:45.29 | ecfx | Guerin, This was _one_ program |
| 07:45.35 | dondelelcaro | ecfx: dh_make... however, for all but the simplist packages, you'll need to do some work. |
| 07:45.37 | Guerin | ecfx: i bet it wasn't |
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| 07:45.52 | dondelelcaro | ecfx: and yes, reading the NM guide will help you immensely |
| 07:45.54 | Keshek | ledestin: it appears that i was using xdm im installing kdm atm |
| 07:45.59 | ecfx | k |
| 07:46.22 | tarzeau | !backup |
| 07:46.22 | dpkg | somebody said backup was something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 07:46.51 | tarzeau | !backup2 |
| 07:47.03 | tarzeau | who the fuck changed backup? |
| 07:47.03 | Guerin | are you looking for the one by slayerxp? |
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| 07:47.17 | tarzeau | Guerin: no the one i put in (with the idiot in the other galaxy) |
| 07:47.23 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:47.43 | Guerin | !backups |
| 07:47.43 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other me's in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other me's in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 07:47.46 | Guerin | it's the same one |
| 07:47.54 | tarzeau | that yes |
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| 07:48.47 | vortek | Ok so much for .deb kde themes and working with defualts and kde hehe |
| 07:48.49 | vortek | :) |
| 07:49.12 | vortek | all the themes are mostly kwin |
| 07:49.16 | vortek | and there is no man page for kwin |
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| 07:49.45 | vortek | maybe its under kdeartwork |
| 07:49.46 | abel | join #C |
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| 07:49.58 | amorphix | greetings |
| 07:50.05 | jim | lo |
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| 07:50.25 | Keshek | ledestin: kdm works for me now, it has a shutdown option |
| 07:50.28 | kaplanfx | dpkg: xsession |
| 07:50.28 | dpkg | it has been said that xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 07:50.35 | amorphix | im connected on P166 laptop in KSirc phew |
| 07:50.35 | vortek | ok not DOCS now |
| 07:50.41 | vortek | all just change logs |
| 07:50.56 | amorphix | the channel list nearly crashed my laptop :P |
| 07:51.21 | jim | heh |
| 07:51.45 | jim | I bet it will when it gets over 1024 clients |
| 07:51.48 | amorphix | does anyone know of an app for reading compressed html format docs? |
| 07:52.24 | amorphix | im gonna have to sell this laptop and upgrade |
| 07:52.24 | jim | amorphix: uncompressnreadthehtmlformatdoc |
| 07:52.48 | amorphix | jim: how is it possible? the docs are like software, .chm format |
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| 07:53.05 | jim | amorphix: seriously... unix is piecewise, componentwise |
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| 07:53.33 | jim | you piece together solutions from existing components |
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| 07:54.04 | jm_ | amorphix: there are CHM readers for Linux |
| 07:54.10 | amorphix | cool |
| 07:54.19 | jim | maybe for about half of what you want to do, there's one program that can do the whole thing |
| 07:54.22 | pntic | "index.docbook:53: parser error : input is not proper UTF-8, indicate encoding!" error in kdevelop3. What's the problem please? |
| 07:54.35 | jm_ | search for it on freshmeat |
| 07:54.36 | _cd_ | the default kernel in woddy does not support my ethernet card. I have a IBM R40 with no floppy drive. What should I follow to install debian and use my ethernet card ? |
| 07:54.41 | jim | for the other half, maybe you'll have to learn 2 or 3 programs |
| 07:54.47 | amorphix | ok i'll try |
| 07:54.56 | jm_ | _cd_: woody has several kernels you can use for installation |
| 07:54.58 | jim | and also figure out how to piece them together... |
| 07:55.15 | _cd_ | jm_, I used bf24 if you are asking that.. |
| 07:55.24 | jm_ | _cd_: that's probably your best bet ;) |
| 07:55.38 | _cd_ | jm_, :) that doesn't work |
| 07:55.59 | amorphix | xchm can view chm docs |
| 07:56.05 | jim | pntic: try doing what the message suggests as a possible solution |
| 07:56.12 | _cd_ | is there a way to install debian with 2.6 |
| 07:56.27 | kaplanfx | I funked up my Xsession files, can I have dpkg or apt reconfigure the/ what packages are the built with? |
| 07:56.29 | ljt | in china, we use chmsee |
| 07:56.35 | amorphix | stretches |
| 07:56.36 | jim | _cd_: probably... but are you sure you -need- that? |
| 07:56.41 | kaplanfx | er what package provides them |
| 07:56.44 | jim | if so please explain why |
| 07:56.50 | jm_ | _cd_: not Woody, there are several options how to proceed |
| 07:57.17 | amorphix | does anyone know any issues of using Toshiba Portege 3xxx series with Debian? |
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| 07:57.28 | amorphix | Rebecca hi |
| 07:57.33 | _cd_ | woody or not.. not a problem actually.. it's my own laptop.. not a production env. |
| 07:57.41 | jm_ | ahh go with Sarge |
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| 07:58.01 | jim | let's all wave to the chick :) Hi Rebecca! |
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| 07:58.06 | amorphix | Rebecca: are you the same person from #gimp who helped me with fluxbox? |
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| 07:58.19 | _cd_ | jm_, Can i download a sarge iso somewhere? |
| 07:58.22 | SlayerXP | Rebecca's a chick?!?!??!?!??!??!?!?!? |
| 07:58.24 | SlayerXP | </aol> |
| 07:58.33 | amorphix | cd sure |
| 07:58.49 | ruski | SlayerXP, -Rebecca- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.8-10-amd64-k8 [x86_64/2.20GHz] .. im almost excited |
| 07:58.51 | jim | _cd_: probably. but: you don't need an iso to install |
| 07:59.04 | ruski | SlayerXP, : she has more under the hood then what i do ! |
| 07:59.06 | jm_ | _cd_: you have my permission :) |
| 07:59.11 | jm_ | _cd_: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 07:59.11 | huggi | hiho! |
| 07:59.14 | peterS | ruski: uh ... what's exciting? |
| 07:59.33 | amorphix | bugga |
| 07:59.37 | peterS | ruski: also, in #debian, CTCP VERSION of random people without permission is considered rude |
| 07:59.39 | amorphix | my xchm installation failed |
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| 08:00.16 | huggi | as I understand stable versions (and its dependencies) are always lower than the unstable and testing packages, or am I wrong? |
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| 08:00.30 | Rebecca | um, hi |
| 08:00.43 | jim | huggi: earlier versions usually, yes. |
| 08:00.45 | amorphix | huggie that would be right |
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| 08:00.59 | huggi | Okay, then I come up with my problem. |
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| 08:01.29 | abel | hello all i try to build a source and i have the following message /usr/bin/ld: ne peut trouver -lX11 collect2: ld a retourné 1 code d'état d'exécution. Any idea what that means ? |
| 08:01.42 | amorphix | fwench |
| 08:01.49 | abel | libx11 is installed |
| 08:02.04 | peterS | abel: libx11-dev isn't |
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| 08:02.31 | Rebecca | SlayerXP: and yeah, i am a chick :P |
| 08:02.31 | huggi | Package: smokeping has 1.6.2 as stable, 1.38-3 as current version for testing and unstable. does anyone have a solution for that? |
| 08:02.45 | amorphix | if my gf was here she would read it as shes fwench but mine isnt so good |
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| 08:02.49 | jim | huggi: in fact... once a debian dist is released, like woody is, you NEVER get upgraded versions from the official source... having said that, there is apt-get.org and backports.org among other -unofficial- distribution sites that have upgraded version packages. |
| 08:02.55 | kaplanfx | how can I get dpkg to re-prompt me to install the package maintainers version of a config file (and which X pakcages have he xsession files?) |
| 08:02.59 | _R_R | For some reason sending mail is very slow for me, this is not due to the smtp server (I'm sure, in other places it's fast). I think it has to do with the iptables settings on the server here... let me give you the network layout: dsl modem -> switch -> several workstations and server, modem forwards all incoming to server, any ideas? |
| 08:03.01 | tra1a1a | what is the package containing lsusb? |
| 08:03.06 | peterS | amorphix: the actual error is clear enough, and I answered the questoin already, so don't worry about it (: |
| 08:03.10 | peterS | tra1a1a: usbutils |
| 08:03.12 | SlayerXP | Rebecca: and are you cute, single with a thing for older guys with goaty beards? |
| 08:03.16 | jim | !find lsusb |
| 08:03.19 | amorphix | Linux chicks are rarer than hens teeth around here |
| 08:03.20 | tra1a1a | peterS: thans |
| 08:03.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lsusb' (1): (/usr/bin/lsusb, /usr/sbin/lsusb) in utils/usbutils. |
| 08:03.24 | abel | peter libX11-dev is installed too |
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| 08:03.36 | huggi | jim: thanks |
| 08:03.40 | _cd_ | jm_, there is a businesscard CD image there.. that's very cool. Thanks. |
| 08:04.05 | amorphix | peterS ok thanks for letting me know |
| 08:04.09 | peterS | abel: the message is incorrect, then. perhaps it is misleading - try installing all of x-dev |
| 08:04.13 | jim | _cd_: if you have four good floppies, you'll never need a cd image |
| 08:04.13 | Rebecca | SlayerXP: yes, no, noooooo |
| 08:04.16 | Rebecca | lol |
| 08:04.22 | amorphix | peterS im a little slow since im running X on a P166 |
| 08:04.35 | jm_ | _cd_: indeed, but the netinstall ISO has more useful stuff on it and is not too big |
| 08:05.03 | vortek | ok now that I decided I don't like kde... Is there a way to actualy remove all the garbage it installed with out manualy going threw deslect .. And sort of cool tool ? |
| 08:05.14 | peterS | Rebecca: you should know that SlayerXP, unlike some, is *joking* when he implies that these things are all that matter for irc citizens (: |
| 08:05.16 | _cd_ | I don't have any floppy drive and have a re-writeable businesscard :) |
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| 08:05.52 | jim | Rebecca: myself for example... I really did mean to wave at you :) |
| 08:05.53 | ruski | Rebecca, did you compile your own kernel? |
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| 08:06.19 | Rebecca | um, ok jim and peter |
| 08:06.27 | Rebecca | ruski: nope, but i have in the past |
| 08:06.40 | amorphix | Rebecca: i got fluxbox up, it rocks ;) |
| 08:06.42 | peterS | ruski: dude. you already got the answer, with the CTCP VERSION command |
| 08:07.16 | _R_R | No one has a clue on why my mail sending is slow? |
| 08:07.20 | Rebecca | amorphix: cool :) |
| 08:07.32 | huggi | jim: Is that usual that in the same tree, for e.g. on woody, that there will be older versions at unstable/testing than at stable? |
| 08:07.46 | jim | _R_R: not without lots and lots of information about your setup |
| 08:07.55 | ruski | _R_R, is mail timing out ? |
| 08:07.59 | _R_R | jim: what do you need? |
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| 08:08.26 | _R_R | ruski: no, no timeout, just takes about a minute to send (at home it's seconds, network speed is similar) |
| 08:08.35 | abel | peter just install all the x dev library nothing change. Can u tell me where is supposed to lead lX11 in the file hierarchy ? |
| 08:08.44 | ruski | _R_R, could just be slow dns |
| 08:08.53 | jim | _R_R: I don't even know where to begin... you're closer to your setup than I am... howbout you just describe it :) |
| 08:09.02 | abel | peter : i'm under a sarge |
| 08:09.02 | _R_R | ruski: but then surfing would be slow too, it isn't |
| 08:09.15 | amorphix | is it the same for everyone or just me, but does kde package manager take forever to load? |
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| 08:09.21 | deadcat | whats a good util to scan my network for samba shares and windows shares? |
| 08:09.24 | animall | _R_R, same provider? |
| 08:09.31 | peterS | abel: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so should be a symlink to libX11.so.6 |
| 08:09.58 | jm_ | deadcat: smbclient, mkautosmb.sh is also useful to learn how to do it (or use a GUI tool like LinNeighborhood) |
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| 08:10.44 | jim | omig! there's two of you! |
| 08:10.45 | SlayerXP | rebecca_: well, two out of three ain't bad |
| 08:10.47 | mike__ | hi, what package will allow me to convert ogg to mp3? |
| 08:11.00 | _R_R | jim: ok, settings iptables (my guess is there's the problem): all ports incoming closed except 22 and 25, LAN everything open, OUTPUT ACCEPT everything, ESTABLISHED, RELATED open on incoming |
| 08:11.10 | peterS | mike__: nothing in debian. debian can't distribute mp3 encoders because it can't afford the license fees for mp3 encoding technology |
| 08:11.10 | drac | mike__: don't do that, ogg's are lot better quality. |
| 08:11.13 | amorphix | woah im astonished..xchm works |
| 08:11.23 | Zeit|idle | ..rebecca in #debian? ;) |
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| 08:11.27 | _R_R | animall: same smtp and pop server |
| 08:11.35 | peterS | Zeit|idle: you're a very perceptive young man. you will go far. |
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| 08:11.42 | animall | weird |
| 08:11.48 | mike__ | peterS: no, i have downloaded and used the lame package |
| 08:11.48 | Rebecca | hey Zeit |
| 08:11.50 | abel | peter ... well i have those library ... how can the compilo missed it ..? |
| 08:12.09 | mike__ | drac: i know, but i have to send it in an mp3 |
| 08:12.13 | peterS | abel: that's a good question. if this is using a typical 'configure' script, read the 'config.log' file to see why |
| 08:12.42 | peterS | mike__: I don't know if any tools will already do this, but you can pipe oggdec through lame, I imagine, just a matter of setting it up |
| 08:12.49 | animall | there could be filtering on the biz account, that is not normally done by the provider on the home account. I've seen that before. you might want to check and see if both setups equally match, also you might want to investigate the firewalling rules |
| 08:12.50 | _R_R | jim: 2.4.26 kernel on server, dsl modem just forwards all incoming to the server |
| 08:13.00 | mike__ | peterS: ok, i'll check it out, thanks mate |
| 08:13.08 | deadcat | [Lag: 9.61] |
| 08:13.13 | abel | peter no configure file, this come from a Makefile |
| 08:13.26 | _R_R | animall: smtp and pop are both on a server where I'm root |
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| 08:13.32 | peterS | abel: then you'll want to figure out what the compile line is that is triggering this error |
| 08:13.45 | jim | _R_R: ok, do you have a mail server on the server? which one? |
| 08:13.52 | amorphix | does anyone use a portege lappy? |
| 08:13.58 | peterS | abel: you may need to add -L/usr/X11R6/lib to your link line. as in, LDFLAGS = -L/usr/X11R6/lib or similar |
| 08:14.34 | kaplanfx | peterS: I want dpkg to prompt me to install the package maintainers Xsession files again, how do I do that? |
| 08:14.37 | amorphix | i'm wondering if will encounter any problems with getting debian on a tosh portege 3440 ct |
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| 08:15.01 | _R_R | jim: we got an office server which basically does nothing more then samba and mysql (and a little bit apache for presentations) and several production servers (in a server centre), one of them is smtp / pop3 / imap server for us and our clients |
| 08:15.08 | peterS | kaplanfx: dpkg --purge --force-depends xfree86-common; apt-get install xfree86-common |
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| 08:15.19 | peterS | kaplanfx: there might be an easier way, but that's the way I know |
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| 08:15.42 | jim | amorphix: there's a web page that's out there still maybe, that has a list of links to laptop types, and they go to stories of installing linux and how to get everything set up or if not everything, some of them will say which things worked and which didn't and maybe why |
| 08:15.54 | jim | laptop-howto might link to it |
| 08:16.18 | amorphix | jim: coool, i did check Linux on Laptop site but only 2 stories and both were down :-/ |
| 08:16.19 | kaplanfx | peterS: it didn't prompt me |
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| 08:16.37 | abel | peter can i link u the real error message on nomore pasting ? |
| 08:16.37 | peterS | kaplanfx: well, in that case it won't prompt you, it'll just overwrite the files unconditionally. if that isn't what you actually wanted, I'm sorry |
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| 08:16.47 | CerealVore | hi |
| 08:16.48 | peterS | abel: sure |
| 08:16.54 | jcm | hi, i try to use dvds to backup my hd. growisofs writes data without pb, but when i try to mount /dvd -t iso9660 /mnt i get a wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock :/ any pointer ? |
| 08:16.56 | jim | _R_R: does outgoing mail go thru the smtp server? or what? |
| 08:17.01 | amorphix | debian is directing my hardware purchasing considerations ;) |
| 08:17.01 | streuner_ | abel: does the box now work? |
| 08:17.15 | kaplanfx | peterS: nah, x won't start becuase of some weird command in an xsession file |
| 08:17.21 | kaplanfx | its some kind of voodo |
| 08:17.33 | abel | streuner : yes !!!! complete reinstall 4 me ... |
| 08:17.38 | ecfx | How can I turn off iptables or any firewall? |
| 08:17.41 | streuner_ | abel: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 08:17.42 | _R_R | jim: the outgoing mail uses the smtp server in the server centre, it requires users to authenticate (using the same info as they use for getting the mail with pop) |
| 08:17.50 | CerealVore | could anyone explain why this might be happening? : checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 08:17.52 | jim | amorphix: good... don't buy new hardware without knowing if and how well it will work with all the operating systems you run |
| 08:17.58 | abel | peter http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=37320 |
| 08:18.03 | amorphix | :-] |
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| 08:18.04 | CerealVore | i have libc6-dev, gcc etc installed |
| 08:18.09 | jim | CerealVore: c compiler not installed |
| 08:18.13 | _R_R | jim: none of our clients have ever said sending mail is slow, and I only experience it at the office, no where else |
| 08:18.13 | kaplanfx | peterS: something about run_parts: command not found |
| 08:18.18 | kaplanfx | im still getting the error |
| 08:18.33 | peterS | kaplanfx: run_parts should be run-parts, I suspect |
| 08:18.39 | CerealVore | that's just it, it is, i've even reinstalled it just to make sure |
| 08:18.46 | directhex|work | !b-e CerealVore |
| 08:18.49 | dpkg | CerealVore: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 08:18.50 | peterS | kaplanfx: and run-parts is part of debianutils which is awfully important to have installed anyway |
| 08:18.54 | kaplanfx | in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30-xfree86-common_xresources |
| 08:18.54 | jim | _R_R: hmm... anyone else use the machine you use in the office? |
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| 08:19.07 | streuner_ | abel: i thought you did an reinstall? |
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| 08:19.27 | CerealVore | directhex|work: nope |
| 08:19.36 | peterS | kaplanfx: oh, run_parts is supplied as a shell function by /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 08:19.37 | abel | streuner : yes. think some file of the old install get corrupted by the badram |
| 08:19.40 | _R_R | jim: everyone is experiencing the same problem here, most use window$ machines and outl00k to send mail, I use debian and thunderbird... it doesn't make a difference |
| 08:19.42 | directhex|work | CerealVore, so you already have build-essential installed? |
| 08:19.47 | CerealVore | yes |
| 08:19.55 | streuner | abel: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 08:19.55 | CerealVore | i've checked all the basic things i can think of |
| 08:20.04 | jim | _R_R: install a dns server on the smtp machine |
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| 08:20.22 | streuner | abel: that only work, if you have only packages of _OFFICIAL_ mirrors installed... |
| 08:20.22 | kaplanfx | peterS: dude thanks, that was it, and I've been working on that for two hours |
| 08:20.37 | directhex|work | CerealVore, what do you mean "i've checked all the basic things i can think of". your earlier statement made it sound like you've been grabbing things like gcc ad-lib, and not the build-essential package |
| 08:20.41 | _R_R | jim: it's already running bind |
| 08:20.46 | kaplanfx | peterS: my next question, is why was that file written with run_parts instead or run-parts |
| 08:20.51 | peterS | kaplanfx: looking at it, run_parts should be available - as a shell function, as I said. if it's not in /etc/X11/Xsession, I wonder why |
| 08:20.57 | jim | does it list itself in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 08:21.05 | abel | strange msg dpkg reinstall don't work |
| 08:21.10 | peterS | kaplanfx: the run_parts definition has a comment explaining why it is needed |
| 08:21.26 | streuner | dpkg> i guess reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 08:21.27 | dpkg | streuner: what are you talking about? |
| 08:21.31 | _R_R | jim: first nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:21.31 | CerealVore | directhex|work: sorry about that, i meant that the build-essential package was there, and that i'd checked that there weren't any dependency problems or broken packages, that i could work out |
| 08:21.46 | streuner | dpkg: Shut up! :-) |
| 08:21.48 | jim | ok, do the inside machines have dns names? |
| 08:21.59 | abel | streuner : but whatever i have allready reinstalled all the system. |
| 08:22.00 | sydneyfong | CerealVore: is libc6-dev installed? |
| 08:22.18 | streuner | abel: ok, just reinstall that lib |
| 08:22.23 | CerealVore | sure is |
| 08:22.28 | ecfx | How to turn off iptables completely and flush all rules? |
| 08:22.41 | _R_R | jim: yes, they are dealt with by the local server (I've recently changed this, previously the local machines didn't have names, and the problem didn't change) |
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| 08:22.50 | ecfx | My english is bad, just tell me command kthx |
| 08:22.51 | abel | peter : have u see the error message i get ? |
| 08:22.56 | _R_R | jim: local server uses dns-dhcp for this |
| 08:23.03 | jim | ecfx: when you're having dinner with it, fake not having the money to pay for the meal |
| 08:23.18 | ecfx | dinner? |
| 08:23.20 | _R_R | jim: dhcp-dns I mean |
| 08:23.22 | streuner | abel: oh, ic, you want to use 'xv', there are a number of other good software available, why not use those? |
| 08:23.22 | peterS | abel: I missed it the first time. looking now.. |
| 08:23.25 | kaplanfx_ | peterS: I didn't have scrollback buffer |
| 08:23.28 | jim | THAT should turn it off comPLETELY! |
| 08:23.35 | sydneyfong | CerealVore: where do you get that error? |
| 08:23.37 | ecfx | jim huh? |
| 08:23.44 | _R_R | ?? |
| 08:23.55 | jim | ecfx: argh :P iptables -F |
| 08:23.58 | abel | streuner gimi some name, but i'd like xv ... old habit |
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| 08:24.27 | streuner | abel: gqview |
| 08:24.31 | peterS | abel: anyway, indeed you need -L/usr/X11R6/lib in xv's makefile somewhere. probably there is an LDFLAGS definition somewhere |
| 08:24.43 | CerealVore | sydneyfong: i'm compiling some of the enlightenment cvs code |
| 08:24.58 | CerealVore | libevas |
| 08:24.59 | streuner | !tell abel -about xv |
| 08:25.01 | sydneyfong | jim: remember the nat and mangle tables ;-p |
| 08:25.21 | jim | sydneyfong: they won't be emptied by -F? |
| 08:25.25 | jim | hmm |
| 08:25.33 | streuner | peterS: /msg dpkg xv |
| 08:25.39 | sydneyfong | i thought iptables by default only empties the filters table? |
| 08:25.45 | abel | peter : thanks i parse the makefile and add it if he is missing |
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| 08:26.05 | streuner | !xv |
| 08:26.05 | dpkg | i guess xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html (Very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails) or removed from Debian due to license, or the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed). get the .deb from slink if you want it, or ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 08:26.18 | streuner | get the deb from slink? |
| 08:26.19 | peterS | streuner: it doesn't have a lot of helpful information. the slink version, even if you can track it down (meaning, find a live archive.debian.org mirror), isn't up to date anyway, I believe |
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| 08:26.40 | _R_R | jim: ok, I'm sure now it has to do with iptables, just tried setting everything to ACCEPT and no rules, sending mail is ok now |
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| 08:26.51 | streuner | peterS: hm, someone should change the factoid... |
| 08:26.55 | _R_R | jim: security however, that not ok now |
| 08:26.55 | jim | _R_R: so each machine is given a -named- IP address, with -both- forward and reverse dns provided by the bind on the smtp server? |
| 08:27.24 | peterS | streuner: if you have more up-to-date information on where to get xv for debian, please do change it |
| 08:27.25 | sydneyfong | CerealVore: what happens when you compile other stuff? |
| 08:27.28 | _R_R | jim: nope, by the local server |
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| 08:27.45 | jim | local server? |
| 08:27.47 | sydneyfong | I'm guessing the configure scripts of whatever you're trying to compile fscked up |
| 08:27.54 | jim | which one is that |
| 08:27.55 | jim | ? |
| 08:28.01 | streuner | dpkg, no xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html (Very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails) or removed from Debian due to license, or the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 08:28.01 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 08:28.20 | CerealVore | sydneyfong: well, a few other packages compiled fine |
| 08:28.32 | CerealVore | but this isn't in the compilation stage, this is just running the ./configure script |
| 08:28.35 | _R_R | jim: dsl modem forwards all incoming to a local server, smtp server is remote |
| 08:28.43 | CerealVore | (or using debian/rules) |
| 08:28.57 | jim | so your mail server is not inside the local net |
| 08:28.59 | _R_R | jim: I removed all iptables rules @ local server and sending mail with remote server is now ok |
| 08:29.02 | sydneyfong | CerealVore: yeah, sometimes configure scripts fsck up themselves... ;-p |
| 08:29.04 | _R_R | jim: no |
| 08:29.06 | abel | peter: thanks it's work |
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| 08:29.40 | CerealVore | heheh |
| 08:29.49 | streuner | abel: use the full nickname, otherwise they don't highlight..., thanks. |
| 08:30.16 | sydneyfong | CerealVore: you might want to take a look at the configure script itself... (find the place where it prints the error and see whether you can get anything out of it) |
| 08:30.16 | jim | I have a mail server inside which uses my inside dns server, which has names for all the machines I have inside (both forward and reverse dns) |
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| 08:30.36 | sydneyfong | the configure script is a shell script btw... just a very long one. |
| 08:30.41 | abel | streuner: oups sorry my mystake just notice the S in peterS |
| 08:30.48 | cozinata | hi, guys |
| 08:31.01 | CerealVore | well, i've compiled this before |
| 08:31.12 | CerealVore | using the exact same code |
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| 08:31.21 | jim | then, I have another mail server outside, but I don't usually use it for outgoing... it forwards mail to my internal server |
| 08:31.22 | CerealVore | but, worth a shot i suppose |
| 08:31.31 | _R_R | jim: but would that explain that mail sending is only slow when I got iptables set up and mail sending is ok when iptables just ACCEPTs everything |
| 08:31.59 | peterS | streuner: should have mentioned apt-get.org. there are multiple builds of xv available linked from there |
| 08:32.12 | jim | _R_R: maybe because the dns was cut off when the thing was on |
| 08:32.33 | _R_R | jim: ok... let me just try opening up 53 |
| 08:32.38 | jim | but I have no idea for that of course,,, I'm just guessing |
| 08:32.50 | G5 | _R_R: is it not maybe the ident lookups? (assuming you're using exim) but yes, opening dns would be a good idea |
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| 08:33.16 | _R_R | jim: opening up 53 doesn't make a difference :( |
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| 08:33.35 | _R_R | G5: yeah, using exim4 (the heavy version) |
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| 08:34.14 | mishof | I'm trying to compile a driver for x.org and it gives me this error acecad.h:44: error: redefinition of `struct input_id' -- any ideas ? i think i need some dev package of xorg .. |
| 08:34.17 | jim | ok, so the guess was wrong, or possibly so... you should watch the packets when the slow part is happening |
| 08:34.25 | abel | peterS : i have not found some xv package 4 sarge .. |
| 08:34.46 | jm_ | xv has been removed in Woody, get it from older releases |
| 08:34.50 | peterS | abel: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xv%24 |
| 08:34.54 | streuner | mishof: what distro do you use? |
| 08:34.55 | jm_ | or that |
| 08:35.06 | _R_R | jim: using tcpdump or something? |
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| 08:35.07 | jm_ | it's probably not much newer anyway |
| 08:35.18 | mishof | streuner, ubuntu lol |
| 08:35.36 | jim | _R_R: yeah... it's probably time to stop guessing about what's going on |
| 08:35.39 | streuner | mishof: why don't you ask that question in #ubuntu? |
| 08:35.48 | directhex|work | mishof, what made you think #debian was an ubuntu channel? |
| 08:35.56 | abel | peterS: i'm in it . but whatever with your help i have been able to compile it fully so ... |
| 08:36.21 | deadcat | mishof: ubuntu HAS xorg. |
| 08:36.30 | abel | peterS : all port i found are 4 woody |
| 08:36.52 | _R_R | jim: ok... I hoped this was a problem I could fix quite quickly, unfortunately not. I'll look at it again later (don't have the time now to go into it much longer). Thanks anyway |
| 08:37.10 | streuner | deadcat: http://weda.mine.nu/torsmo.png |
| 08:37.13 | peterS | abel: woody ports will work on sarge. however, the first search result from the apt-get.org link I posted has both sarge and sid repositories |
| 08:37.39 | G5 | _R_R: try opening tcp/113 (ident) outgoing as well? and obviously tcp/53 and udp/53 (dns) and tcp/25 (smtp) |
| 08:37.46 | deadcat | streuner: slow connection? |
| 08:37.59 | jim | _R_R: welcoem. you'll figure it out soon enough, or if this is an urgent situation, you'll call a network analyst guy |
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| 08:38.04 | streuner | deadcat: yes, hold on. |
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| 08:40.39 | deadcat | streuner: i decided to do: tweather | tee -a $HOME/.xsession-errors | xmessages -geometry +0-180 -file - : this gives me output to root-tail and a popup heheh. |
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| 08:41.02 | deadcat | streuner: and i bind that to ctrl+shift+W |
| 08:41.28 | streuner | deadcat: wanna use torsmo with XMMS too? |
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| 08:42.33 | deadcat | streuner: nah. i prefer playmp3list via screen |
| 08:42.48 | streuner | deadcat: hehe |
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| 08:43.16 | deadcat | streuner: i remember why i stopped using gkrellm. the equalizer plugin doesnt work after using alsa. heheh |
| 08:43.34 | mike__ | hi, i have this webcam: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0ac8:305b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. In the supported usb devices on linux-usb.org/usb.ids it had support for 0ac8:301b but not 305b. Can i use the 301b driver on this cam? How should i go about installing it? |
| 08:43.44 | streuner | deadcat: well, bass or treble doesn't work either ;-) |
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| 08:44.34 | deadcat | streuner: ya. those dont do shit: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20040721_15456.jpg the last item on gkrellm is the one i am talking about. it moves with the music |
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| 08:47.47 | streuner | deadcat: a webcam plugin for gkrellm, wow :-) |
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| 08:48.12 | streuner | deadcat: cool, but that screenshot is pretty old |
| 08:48.14 | deadcat | streuner: ya. hehe.. but the pwc{x} driver has been removed from kernel tree )= |
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| 08:48.37 | deadcat | streuner: ya. cus i dont use gkrellm no more. and the colors are all changed. |
| 08:48.40 | dpblnt | how can i know if a system supports hyperthreading? and how can i use it, if it does? |
| 08:48.44 | deadcat | using darker colors |
| 08:48.57 | deadcat | dpblnt: HT is SMP i think. |
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| 08:49.10 | renegad3 | hi, i need help on trouble shooting a problem that has occured with my server... I have checked logs and cannot find anything relevent to the problem. could someone give me a hand please? what it is, is that the services that im providing, webserver, mail and dns work only for a certain time, then they just stop :( then come back up again... I know thats a bit vague, but its a start point if I can get a hand off someone... |
| 08:49.42 | zignig | renegad3: what is the network car you are using ? |
| 08:49.42 | gudi | hi ich versuche eine maxtor platte mit einem exteren festplattengehäuse ( usb ) zu verbinde.. aber ich bekomme immer : scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 1 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 |
| 08:49.42 | gudi | usb 1-3: USB di |
| 08:49.46 | dpblnt | deadcat, yeah, i think thatway too, but can i query from proc or somewhere else, if it is supported? (right now not snmp kernel is installed) |
| 08:49.58 | renegad3 | zignig: realtec |
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| 08:50.05 | jim | !de |
| 08:50.05 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 08:50.32 | deadcat | dpblnt: sorry. no clue. still on p3 800mhz (= |
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| 08:50.54 | streuner | deadcat: one HINT, if you screen goes in future more dark, what do you wanna see in, let's say 6 months, then ? ;-) |
| 08:51.08 | renegad3 | does dmesg log? |
| 08:51.11 | jethro | moin |
| 08:51.56 | deadcat | streuner: dark as in the default ansi color is too bright. notice the torsmo color from that screenshot to the later ones. diff color. |
| 08:52.07 | jim | renegad3: it's kinda weird, sorta does. look in /var/log... there's messages, syslog, klog and some others that might be relevent |
| 08:52.16 | dpblnt | deadcat, :) sorry for that, and thanks for the suggestions. |
| 08:54.08 | renegad3 | ta jim, strange thing is that when I 'dmesg' it outputs iptable logs |
| 08:54.23 | carnage | is there a hosts file in debian? |
| 08:54.30 | deadcat | i am going to sleep. |
| 08:54.36 | deadcat | carnage: same as all distros /etc/hosts |
| 08:54.36 | infodroid | carnage: yes |
| 08:54.45 | renegad3 | ps -aux | grep eth |
| 08:54.48 | renegad3 | whoops |
| 08:54.54 | carnage | never used linux before |
| 08:54.54 | jim | renegad3: or cd opens and closes, or other stuff |
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| 08:55.16 | carnage | but thats where it is in bsd too so i have no excuse for not checking :p |
| 08:55.17 | jim | carnage: what have you used? |
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| 08:56.06 | jim | oh, bsd, you'll have somewhat similar experience in linux, and you won't be clueless |
| 08:56.06 | carnage | aw this sucks |
| 08:56.10 | sml | are thre any known issues with kernel-2.4.27-2-386 ? |
| 08:56.13 | carnage | my hosts file is near empty |
| 08:56.15 | sml | i.e. stability issues lol |
| 08:56.27 | jim | carnage: what's wrong with that? |
| 08:56.29 | deadcat | carnage: if its a new install. it SHOUD (= |
| 08:56.31 | dondelelcaro | sml: if there are, there would be bugs filed against the kernel image |
| 08:56.53 | carnage | right, i'm thing of the example file that tells you what every port is assigned to on the net |
| 08:57.02 | dpblnt | deadcat, do tou have "ht" flag in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 08:57.08 | carnage | is there one of those somewhere? |
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| 08:57.21 | deadcat | dpblnt: nope. |
| 08:57.35 | deadcat | carnage: /etc/services |
| 08:57.38 | sml | if you have used a few packages from sid, is there a quick command you can type to see which packages they are? |
| 08:57.47 | deadcat | this is basic unix like files. even bs fucking d |
| 08:57.53 | sml | or is it best to use dselect for that ? |
| 08:58.02 | carnage | thanks :) |
| 08:58.11 | Guerin | !debootstrap |
| 08:58.11 | dpkg | i heard debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
| 08:58.20 | Guerin | ok, kiddies |
| 08:58.58 | Guerin | debootstrap sarge yields a failure at "Couldn't download libgnutls10" |
| 08:59.26 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, it needs to be updated, since it should be libgnutls11 iirc |
| 08:59.30 | Guerin | i presume this is because sarge has libgnutls11 |
| 08:59.33 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:59.41 | dpblnt | deadcat, :) good, i checked on a p2 and on a p4, and the p4 had it, so i guess that sould be it, thanx for the coop. |
| 08:59.44 | Guerin | its there a workaround, a config script I can hack? |
| 08:59.56 | Guerin | !info debootstrap sid |
| 08:59.58 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.45-0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
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| 09:00.52 | jm_ | Guerin: the workaround is to get latest debootstrap I think |
| 09:01.37 | sml | using the package bootcd, can u effectively make a backup of a running live system so that you can run it entirely from the CD-ROM in the event of disaster ? |
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| 09:03.38 | Guerin | nothing much different from the usual |
| 09:03.40 | silverton | cafuego, ! |
| 09:03.42 | silverton | that's just like you |
| 09:03.42 | peterS | heh |
| 09:03.44 | Guerin | maybe a bit less erudite |
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| 09:03.50 | silverton | fuck, come, leave |
| 09:03.57 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:04.13 | sml | Panda (dictionary) : Eats shoots and leaves. |
| 09:04.21 | silverton | hehe |
| 09:04.38 | _R_R | jim: fixed the problem with a workaround: just opened up iptables completely to the smtp server (and that solves the problem) |
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| 09:05.21 | jim | _R_R: excellent |
| 09:06.04 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: whoever had the debootstrap problem just needs to edit /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/sarge and change the libgnutls10 in the base=" line to libgnutls11 |
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| 09:07.21 | silverton | 199 packages :'( |
| 09:07.30 | silverton | oh, only 10 minutes...that isn't so bad |
| 09:07.51 | silverton | oh my... |
| 09:07.52 | jim | silverton: then you have a pretty good connection |
| 09:08.03 | silverton | it's getting the packages from the unstable sources... |
| 09:08.13 | silverton | s/sources/repository |
| 09:08.17 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: awesome, ok. That was me |
| 09:08.17 | jim | do you have unstable listed? |
| 09:08.28 | silverton | yeah, after testing though |
| 09:08.33 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: I downloaded the latest one in sid - this livecd probably is old. |
| 09:08.34 | jim | btw, you can interrupt this -while it is downloading- |
| 09:08.38 | tarzeau | silverton: don't mix! |
| 09:08.39 | silverton | I know :P |
| 09:08.46 | tarzeau | !mix |
| 09:08.46 | dpkg | mix is, like, Donald Knuths fictional computer from his "The Art of Computer Programming" books, or 1009 |
| 09:08.49 | silverton | tarzeau, I needed to, to get a new kernel |
| 09:08.55 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah... the one in sid has the fix already |
| 09:09.00 | Guerin | awesome |
| 09:09.00 | sydneyfong | !apt_preferences |
| 09:09.01 | dpkg | somebody said apt_preferences was setting up your machine to use more than one of stable/testing/unstable. You can specifiy a default distribution, but be allowed to manually select packages from the other distributions to install, and they will automatically be kept up-to-date. See the manual page (man apt_preference) for details. |
| 09:09.04 | jim | silverton: so it is your intent to run unstable? |
| 09:09.14 | silverton | no, it was my intent to get my sound working |
| 09:09.30 | jim | silverton: ok, this wouldn't be the best way to do that |
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| 09:09.50 | silverton | fixed, I just commented my unstable sources |
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| 09:10.18 | jim | ok, you can apt-get update ; apt-get clean |
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| 09:10.22 | sydneyfong | silverton: try apt_preferences. then you won't have to edit your sources every time |
| 09:10.28 | pbxjunkie | howdy, how do I pass a parameter for a module loaded at boot time, do I just add it in the line in /etc/modules ? as in ... "module parameter"? |
| 09:10.37 | silverton | sydneyfong, thank you |
| 09:10.40 | tarzeau | pbxjunkie: yes |
| 09:10.41 | jm_ | pbxjunkie: man modules |
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| 09:11.05 | jim | is modconf still the way to configure boot-inserted modules? |
| 09:11.13 | pbxjunkie | tarzeau: thanks |
| 09:11.20 | silverton | sydneyfong, where is that? :-/ |
| 09:11.37 | directhex|work | you can edit modprobe.d or somesuch iirc |
| 09:11.47 | sydneyfong | silverton: i have unstable as -1 priority in my preferences file, and then a `apt-get -t unstable install blah` would install the unstable version. otherwise everything is testing |
| 09:11.49 | pbxjunkie | jim: yes it is |
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| 09:11.57 | sydneyfong | silverton: man apt_preferences |
| 09:12.14 | silverton | sydneyfong, yeah, that's how I thought mine was, well, that's how I got the new kernel any how |
| 09:12.31 | cafuego | my dog died |
| 09:12.32 | jim | there's no better way yet? or has modconf been improved and made to work in cases like installation? |
| 09:12.38 | cafuego | hence my unhappyness |
| 09:12.49 | jim | cafuego: so sorry to hear that |
| 09:13.00 | silverton | cafuego, !!! :'( |
| 09:13.26 | silverton | >.< |
| 09:13.36 | jim | I win :P |
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| 09:13.44 | jim | :) |
| 09:14.05 | jim | ugh! that hurt! |
| 09:14.11 | jim | stop dat! |
| 09:14.26 | silverton | I have many more too! |
| 09:14.32 | silverton | mixed in with free aol and juno cds |
| 09:14.40 | silverton | =-o! |
| 09:14.43 | silverton | !aol jim |
| 09:14.47 | silverton | score! |
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| 09:15.01 | Somebody_ | Hello |
| 09:15.05 | jim | hi |
| 09:15.06 | silverton | hello sombody |
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| 09:15.58 | bytecolor | any of yoos ever mounted a bochs image? |
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| 09:16.16 | Guerin | grrr |
| 09:16.25 | jim | and lived to tell about it?! no! |
| 09:16.26 | Guerin | stupid xfld has a ro root |
| 09:16.33 | Guerin | which mount thinks is rw |
| 09:16.37 | Somebody_ | I have a network share on the fileserver, and all the files in that fileserver belong to nobody:nogroup. Yet when I mount it from this system, the files are owned by root:root. I'm a bit confused? I can't change the permission to nobody:nogroup? |
| 09:16.48 | silverton | lol jim |
| 09:17.04 | silverton | Somebody_, is the filesystem NTFS by chance? |
| 09:17.07 | dondelelcaro | Somebody_: what network filesystem is this? |
| 09:17.33 | Somebody_ | No, I put "smbfs", but I think it uses ext3 the actual partition that it's on. |
| 09:18.22 | silverton | then, iirc, you'd mount it as an ext3 filesystem |
| 09:18.23 | dondelelcaro | Somebody_: then the files are owned by the user who actually mounts the filesystem, typically. |
| 09:18.30 | directhex|work | silverton, no. |
| 09:18.33 | silverton | oh :( |
| 09:18.46 | dondelelcaro | (there being exceptions for whatever the CIFS extension does) |
| 09:19.01 | Somebody_ | dondelelcaro, oh, I'll give that a shot |
| 09:19.15 | directhex|work | Somebody_, you don't see the real permissions of the remote filesystem. you need to specify virtual permissions to superimpose. try loking at umask, dmask, fmask, gid and uid options for mount.smbfs |
| 09:19.41 | Somebody_ | Got it, thanks |
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| 09:20.48 | directhex|work | dondelelcaro is right though, using cifs rather than smbfs may be somewhat more featureful |
| 09:20.51 | directhex|work | shame cifs is buggy |
| 09:21.20 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I haven't actually used CIFS... frankly, when I care about permisions, I use NFS or something else. |
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| 09:22.29 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 09:22.36 | directhex|work | i've used CIFS. it has lots of snazzy extra features like real unicode support, unix extensions (e.g. symlinks), permissions. but it DOES freeze up every now & again for brief periods, and objects to mounting by WINS machine name |
| 09:22.46 | Guerin | i swear i used to be able to edit config files in the / of a knoppix live session |
| 09:22.55 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 09:22.58 | Guerin | it's a fucking ramdisk, ftlog |
| 09:23.22 | sydneyfong | calm down Guerin =p |
| 09:23.32 | Guerin | sydneyfong: this is me being calm. |
| 09:23.44 | Guerin | i even have beer :) |
| 09:26.59 | sydneyfong | !wine Guerin |
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| 09:30.27 | jethro | oh good idea, it's the perfect time for a glass of sancerre |
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| 09:30.41 | Zrin | hi, when the other side of a tcp connection (like mysqld client) loses power - when will the connection die? |
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| 09:31.14 | jethro | Zrin: once the tcp timeout is triggered, or when the remote machine is up again |
| 09:31.17 | Zrin | is there a way to control this timeout? |
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| 09:31.53 | Zrin | now remote machine is up again, but netstat still shows "ESTABLISHED", and mysqld waits for next statement ("Sleeping") |
| 09:31.58 | jethro | Zrin: look at the various net.ipv4 sysctls |
| 09:32.27 | ttl_work | hi |
| 09:32.33 | jethro | Zrin: if the remote end is up, any attempt to use the connection would lead to a rst sent from the remote end, since it has no clue about this connection |
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| 09:32.39 | Zrin | ... although the client connected again |
| 09:32.40 | antony | anyone using courier-imap with ldap? |
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| 09:33.09 | Zrin | jethro - yes, but it seems that no data will be sent. mysqld just waits |
| 09:33.12 | jethro | Zrin: please ask precise stuff, and quit being vague |
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| 09:33.48 | Zrin | jethro: ok, here is the problem: a mysql client loses power while in transaction with locked tables |
| 09:33.57 | jethro | Zrin: you started with tcp timeouts question, now leading to mysqld problems, please help us spot yoru problem by being accurate when describing the symptoms |
| 09:34.12 | Zrin | jethro: on the server side, tcp connection is still "established" |
| 09:34.52 | Zrin | jethro: mysqld is waiting for the next statement, it's timeout is quite large (which is good for other types of problems) |
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| 09:35.15 | tkooda | hello all |
| 09:35.17 | ttl_work | I installed cups and a HP laserjet 4300TN, printing test page with cups works perfectly, printing from mozilla-firefox or mozilla-thunderbird does northing... can anybody point me in the correct direction please |
| 09:35.27 | jethro | Zrin: I don't see any question there yet |
| 09:35.31 | Zrin | jethro: now, the data remains locked until TCP timeout - how large is it per default on debian (sarge)? |
| 09:35.34 | ttl_work | i'm using Debian Sarge |
| 09:35.51 | jethro | Zrin: I told you how to get this value a while ago, check the various net.ipv4 sysctls |
| 09:35.57 | silverton | ah yes! |
| 09:35.59 | silverton | thank you ttl_work |
| 09:36.07 | silverton | you reminded me I needed to get my printer working |
| 09:36.11 | jethro | hah |
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| 09:36.18 | t0mas | hi |
| 09:36.19 | tkooda | can anyone think of a way to copy a handfull of hardlinks (tree of backups that use hardlinks for unchanged files) from one filesystem (disk is failing) to another partition (new disk)? |
| 09:36.22 | silverton | I knew coming in here would be handy |
| 09:36.29 | t0mas | I have a server with a broken scsi controller... |
| 09:36.33 | Zrin | jethro: subquestion - is the tcp stack periodically checking the connection even if no data is being transferred? |
| 09:36.45 | t0mas | and I want to boot debian rescue (from install cd) but with scsi disabled |
| 09:37.03 | t0mas | because it hangs when detecting scsi drives... |
| 09:37.06 | jethro | Zrin: depends on protocols, I d suggest your fgi for clues on how IP stacks operate |
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| 09:37.30 | yoc | in mutt, how find mails to/cc me quickly? |
| 09:37.57 | Zrin | jethro: thx, pls give me a hint where to look for ipv4 sysctls (link or config file location?) |
| 09:37.59 | jethro | yoc: /j #mutt, they might know better |
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| 09:38.06 | jethro | Zrin: man sysctl |
| 09:38.10 | Zrin | thx |
| 09:38.18 | jethro | Zrin: and quit typing like a 13 years AOL boy on crack |
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| 09:38.25 | silverton | ttl, have you closed the web browser completely before trying again? |
| 09:38.35 | silverton | er,, ttl_work |
| 09:38.38 | silverton | ^^^^ |
| 09:38.42 | petemc | yoc: same search as vim - / |
| 09:39.02 | yoc | petemc, thanks |
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| 09:39.10 | jethro | yoc: you can also use l (limit to matching) |
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| 09:40.24 | yoc | petemc, what's the reverse search? |
| 09:40.34 | petemc | yoc: press "?" |
| 09:41.50 | yoc | jethro, l only matching sender |
| 09:41.51 | FlimFlamMan | firefox for windows, thunderbird for windows, gtk for windows, gimp for windows, gaim for windows, dia for windows... apt-get for windows?? |
| 09:42.14 | silverton | the windows users can dream |
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| 09:42.24 | silverton | I hear they ported wget to windows, but it's shitty |
| 09:42.59 | t0mas | nobody know's how to disable scsi for the debian rescue kernel? |
| 09:43.18 | jethro | t0mas: hit Fn keys at the boot prompt and read |
| 09:43.30 | silverton | pwnt >.< |
| 09:43.51 | t0mas | jethro: there is nothing about disabling scsi in there |
| 09:43.58 | t0mas | tried all rescue kernel flavors... |
| 09:44.04 | silverton | isn't ther a --no-scsi option you can pass? |
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| 09:44.20 | t0mas | well... it isn't listed there |
| 09:44.25 | t0mas | I tried... scsi=o |
| 09:44.30 | t0mas | scsi=disables |
| 09:44.34 | t0mas | scsi-disable |
| 09:44.37 | t0mas | things like that |
| 09:44.53 | sydneyfong | silverton: how shitty can a simple CLI program get? |
| 09:44.53 | silverton | did you try --no-scsi? |
| 09:45.01 | silverton | sydneyfong, it _is_ windows |
| 09:45.05 | t0mas | nope, trying now |
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| 09:45.38 | t0mas | silverton: not working :( |
| 09:46.09 | jethro | silverton: where would you use --no-scsi ? |
| 09:46.13 | sydneyfong | silverton: eh... |
| 09:46.24 | silverton | jethro, I think I saw it on knoppix |
| 09:46.28 | jethro | silverton: there is no possibility to use bloated gnu longopts at the boot prompt |
| 09:46.29 | silverton | or a gentoo live-cd... |
| 09:48.01 | t0mas | hm... |
| 09:48.08 | t0mas | rescue noscsi isn't working either :( |
| 09:48.32 | jethro | t0mas: `idepci' |
| 09:48.32 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.39 | jethro | looks like you read well |
| 09:48.42 | t0mas | yeah, but that's for setup |
| 09:48.49 | t0mas | I installed it with that option |
| 09:49.06 | t0mas | I want rescue |
| 09:49.16 | simonrvn | um |
| 09:49.18 | jethro | idepci root=bar? |
| 09:49.36 | t0mas | hmz... forgot to try that |
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| 09:49.57 | jethro | t0mas: beware tho, bar ain't a valid root fs |
| 09:50.16 | cahoot | apropos AOL speak? |
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| 09:50.58 | t0mas | jethro: I did idepci root=/dev/hda1 |
| 09:51.04 | t0mas | but it boots into debian setup now... |
| 09:51.25 | jethro | t0mas: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html look for 4.2.3 |
| 09:51.33 | t0mas | tnx |
| 09:51.34 | jethro | t0mas: and get the appropriate rescue disk |
| 09:51.38 | jethro | and it's thanks |
| 09:51.40 | t0mas | I'll look at it tomorrow |
| 09:51.41 | jethro | not thx |
| 09:51.45 | t0mas | gotta go now |
| 09:51.51 | ttl_work | printing a test page from the cups web interface works, printing in vim does not work |
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| 09:52.41 | djg | What would the correct directory for subversion projects be? |
| 09:53.42 | Zrin | if i do echo "120">/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time - is this a permanent setting? |
| 09:53.53 | simonrvn | what do you mean "correct"? |
| 09:53.59 | simonrvn | Zrin: no |
| 09:54.15 | Zrin | simonrvn - how can i make it permanent? |
| 09:54.32 | simonrvn | /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 09:54.37 | Zrin | thx |
| 09:55.00 | djg | simonrvn: i.e. in accordance with the LSB. |
| 09:55.27 | jethro | does LSB define how you have to name svn repositories? |
| 09:55.45 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:55.54 | jethro | that's what I thought as well |
| 09:56.05 | djg | Not as far as I know, but I want to get an opinion on the base directory, e.g. /var/svn/ |
| 09:56.07 | simonrvn | defines /, and maybe one dir under that |
| 09:56.25 | simonrvn | i'd do /var/lib/svn or such |
| 09:56.38 | simonrvn | or /var/cache |
| 09:56.39 | jethro | I d do /home/svn, like I do /home/cvs |
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| 09:56.49 | djg | Reasons both? |
| 09:56.56 | djg | Or just what you're both used to? |
| 09:56.57 | jethro | cause I m used to it |
| 09:57.05 | simonrvn | same |
| 09:57.08 | djg | OK |
| 09:57.08 | jethro | heh |
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| 09:57.30 | djg | Thanks folks. |
| 09:57.40 | jethro | djg: my reason is that /home is a dedicated FS on my systems, so I wont loose when reinstalling |
| 09:57.43 | jethro | damnit too late |
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| 09:58.51 | simonrvn | rainbow tables? |
| 09:58.59 | jethro | google for rainbow crack |
| 09:59.10 | jethro | you'll get the idea |
| 09:59.25 | jethro | http://rainbowtables.shmoo.com/ look at that too |
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| 09:59.50 | jethro | "Why fuck around with cracking a password when you can just know all the passwords ahead of time?" Groovy, man! heh |
| 10:00.18 | silverton | could any of you point me in the right direction for turning my debian(sarge) box into a dhcp server/internet gateway ? |
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| 10:00.47 | jethro | silverton: apt-get install dhcpd, man dhcpd.conf, apt-get install iptables, man iptables, and look at the filtering/nat howto as well |
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| 10:00.56 | Guerin | silverton: apt-get install ipmasq dhcpd |
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| 10:01.07 | Guerin | fuck iptables |
| 10:01.10 | Guerin | just use ipmasq |
| 10:01.12 | petemc | mmm |
| 10:01.25 | jethro | isn't ipmasq this bloated black magic proggie that setups iptables rules for you? |
| 10:01.55 | jethro | actually I d say the opposite, just fuck ipmasq :p |
| 10:02.19 | Guerin | ipmasq is a tiny little thing which sets up an allow from in, deny from out scheme |
| 10:02.30 | Guerin | which is perfect for >90% of all users |
| 10:02.38 | petemc | yeah, its not overly bloated, but it lacks flexibility |
| 10:02.46 | Guerin | oh yeah, it has none |
| 10:02.48 | jethro | a allow from in + NAT and deny from all out is like 4 lines of iptables |
| 10:02.52 | Guerin | it's a Just Works app |
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| 10:03.05 | Guerin | jethro: that's fine if you know iptables |
| 10:03.09 | simonrvn | oooh, so hard! |
| 10:03.18 | simonrvn | !be an iptables barbie |
| 10:03.18 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 10:03.23 | simonrvn | ... |
| 10:03.23 | jethro | damnit |
| 10:03.32 | jethro | that's why sample scripts are around! |
| 10:03.34 | jethro | heh |
| 10:03.54 | varsis | hey all, just trying to find out if there is a way to share 'clipboards' (copied text) from X to gpm and back, it's just a pain having to paste txt into a file and then jump over to console in order to acess it |
| 10:04.02 | simonrvn | and one line of sysctl -w ;p |
| 10:04.07 | jethro | Guerin: last time I read someone try to use ipmasq on #debian, he quitted and switched backto using iptable sonly, for ipmasq was not flexible at all |
| 10:04.11 | jethro | simonrvn: indeed :) |
| 10:04.22 | Guerin | jethro: it's NOT flexible at all. It does one thing. |
| 10:04.32 | simonrvn | man, imasq would ruin the setup i have... |
| 10:04.35 | simonrvn | ip* |
| 10:04.43 | Guerin | if you only need that one thing, it's great. If you ned more, use the right tool for the job you want to do. |
| 10:04.44 | jethro | Guerin: then it sucks imho, but as I said, imho |
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| 10:05.20 | simonrvn | no opinion is humble ;) |
| 10:05.25 | jethro | heh |
| 10:05.32 | jethro | I meant h as honest |
| 10:05.40 | simonrvn | ah :) |
| 10:05.43 | jethro | ;) |
| 10:05.48 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 10:05.58 | varsis | :/ |
| 10:06.16 | jethro | varsis: use screen |
| 10:06.35 | Diddymus | varsis: hrm, maybe xcutsel might help? |
| 10:06.35 | varsis | not sure how that'd work sorry |
| 10:06.53 | jethro | how would xcutsel work in console? |
| 10:06.57 | simonrvn | varsis: no, you can't. screen can, or using echo "fo bar baz" > /dev/pts/XX | /dev/ttyXX |
| 10:07.25 | Diddymus | jethro: it wouldn't as such but if you copy from X you can use it to put it in the right buffer for console to use it |
| 10:07.42 | simonrvn | what? |
| 10:07.47 | varsis | yeah, that works if i have a console open in X, but if i copy something in firefox or from my mail client and then jump into console-consle, it's not going to work |
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| 10:08.20 | varsis | i would have to do the same thing i'm doing now, which is echo "txt" > file *jump into console-console* cat file |
| 10:08.31 | simonrvn | i use the tty |
| 10:08.35 | Diddymus | varsis: actually it will you copy from X (firefox etc etc) swap the clip buffer swap to console and shift-ins whatever |
| 10:08.37 | varsis | the way you describe is just ecvhoing data to the tty |
| 10:08.48 | simonrvn | yeh. it works. so? |
| 10:08.49 | Guerin | varsis: you can connect multiple ttys to one screen session |
| 10:08.53 | Guerin | that might work |
| 10:08.56 | varsis | ah okay, so we've got one way (from X->console) but not back atm |
| 10:09.07 | jethro | varsis: use screen |
| 10:09.09 | simonrvn | as long as you own it, you can echo to any tty |
| 10:09.12 | varsis | Guerin: so use X shared with another tty? |
| 10:09.18 | Diddymus | varsis: yup, copy from console, goto X, swap buffers, paste :) |
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| 10:09.23 | varsis | heh |
| 10:09.57 | simonrvn | pnes of the reasons why i have "(pts/XX)" in my prompt ;) |
| 10:10.01 | simonrvn | one* |
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| 10:10.42 | varsis | thanks, i'll make a prog :P |
| 10:10.50 | Guerin | varsis: no. run a terminal in x, run screen in it, attach a console to the same screen session, see if copying works between thetwo |
| 10:11.01 | Guerin | both consoles attached to the same screen session, you dig? |
| 10:11.06 | varsis | yeah i understand |
| 10:11.26 | m4lu6 | Good grief. |
| 10:11.50 | m4lu6 | I just got yelled at by my IBM Overlords for not complying with Workstation Security Rulez. {sigh} |
| 10:12.09 | simonrvn | meh |
| 10:12.12 | Guerin | m4lu6: you were usinf ssh instead of telnet again, weren't you? |
| 10:12.18 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 10:12.41 | m4lu6 | My debian system runs vmware, which hosts my Windows XP install. I telecommute. Full time. I have to have a) a software firewall b) power-on passwword c) password-protected screensaver d) login password |
| 10:12.56 | m4lu6 | Um. i guess my overlords are worried that my f*$@ing CAT is going to steal information. |
| 10:13.01 | kenalex | does this linux contain the most packages out of all the linux distributions |
| 10:13.13 | Guerin | kenalex: yes. |
| 10:13.21 | kenalex | cool |
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| 10:13.31 | simonrvn | "does this OS". AFAIK, yes |
| 10:13.33 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 10:13.34 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 10:13.40 | sml | how do you find all the usable kernels in sarge. apt-cache search kernel* ? |
| 10:13.47 | jethro | hah |
| 10:13.52 | Guerin | sml: * not required |
| 10:13.57 | sml | Guerin: ok thanks. |
| 10:14.06 | kenalex | can i install rpms in debian |
| 10:14.07 | simonrvn | hehe. and that factoid was made before he got elected DPL |
| 10:14.13 | Guerin | kenalex: no. |
| 10:14.17 | simonrvn | kenalex: use alien |
| 10:14.18 | streuner | kenalex: no |
| 10:14.25 | jethro | sml: search for kernel-image or kernel-source so you can reduce the output :) |
| 10:14.31 | kenalex | what is alien |
| 10:14.38 | m4lu6 | or use rpm |
| 10:14.41 | sml | Guerin: the system hang i was getting when using the nvidia driver appears to be a kernel issue since I get random system hangs all the time with this kernel on this hardware (dell inspiron 8100 laptop) |
| 10:14.42 | jethro | Guerin: well technically you * |
| 10:14.44 | streuner | kenalex: why do you want use something that isn't as good as dpkg and apt-get? |
| 10:14.45 | simonrvn | (but, there's 15 000+ packages, so most of the time apt-get install gets it) |
| 10:14.48 | sml | jethro: ok thanks :) |
| 10:14.48 | jethro | Guerin: well technically you *can* install rpms |
| 10:14.56 | LuSiD | Anyone know the best way to go about monitoring bandwidth usage over a period of time on a single destination TCP port? I basically want to be able to audit bandwidth usage per month per user. |
| 10:14.57 | Guerin | jethro: i'm not allowing him to |
| 10:15.04 | Guerin | i thought he was asking my permission, see |
| 10:15.08 | jethro | heh |
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| 10:15.22 | MaximusBrood | hi... |
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| 10:15.41 | simonrvn | lo... |
| 10:15.45 | jethro | LuSiD: ntop is a way to do that, I don't know if it can be done on a per user basis |
| 10:16.05 | sml | jethro: when you've installed the kernel i take it that I have to edit the grub config myself , its not done for me as part of a script from a kernel package ? |
| 10:16.18 | LuSiD | jethro: Well, as long as I can monitor individual TCP ports over a period of time, then it should work great. |
| 10:16.22 | jethro | sml: it should be if you use a debian kernel package |
| 10:16.22 | MaximusBrood | I looked over several pages... to see if you can startup a app automaticley after boot... and they all said no... so, is it true (I think so :() |
| 10:16.38 | kenalex | streuner:so what you are telling me is that debian packages are better than rpm packages |
| 10:16.48 | jethro | sml: either one you build yourself, of a debian kernel-image |
| 10:16.56 | jethro | s/of/or/ |
| 10:17.01 | simonrvn | if you have sensible defaults (like pointing to symlinks) you just need to edit the symlinks unless you're installing a .deb kernel-image, then its done for you |
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| 10:17.15 | sml | jethro: oh right. ok .. well does it *also* leave the other kernel installed so that you then have an option when you boot? |
| 10:17.23 | streuner | kenalex: nobody out there has a doubt that debian package system is the best... |
| 10:17.26 | jethro | sml: it should unless you screwed things up :) |
| 10:17.36 | simonrvn | kenalex: they are built with high standards in mind, so yes they are. |
| 10:17.38 | sml | jethro: lol, I haven't tried it yet ;) was just asking BEFORE i do it :) |
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| 10:18.10 | simonrvn | (that's from experience in handling rpms, trying to avoid bias) |
| 10:18.15 | jethro | sml: beware that if you install 2 different vertsions in a row and they don't boot, you might have screwed the working one |
| 10:18.23 | kenalex | streuner: ok. the reason i asked if it supports rpms is because most of the packages i see on the net are RPMS |
| 10:18.30 | sml | jethro: one last thing.. heheh.. i followd the nvidia one liner, so i installed some files from sid (i didn't want to but i had to for nvidia-glx etc since they're no longer in testing) how do i easily see which libraries/files/binaries on my box are from sid. dselect ? |
| 10:18.46 | simonrvn | being the more popular doesn't mean it's the best ;) |
| 10:18.52 | jethro | yeah |
| 10:19.06 | Guerin | !dstats sarge |
| 10:19.08 | jethro | we got a popular president in france a few years ago, and it's not the best we could've had |
| 10:19.13 | sml | jethro: ok well if i screw anything up i have a knoppix cd. that knoppix cd has saved my balls more than once this week. |
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| 10:19.35 | chealer | kenalex: that's because you don't have to get pacakges manually on debian |
| 10:19.35 | simonrvn | we haven't had a popular PM in years, and they all suck |
| 10:19.40 | jethro | sml: try dpkg --get-selections or dpkg -l , and compare with what you can find on pdo |
| 10:19.41 | streuner | kenalex: debian have a lot of packages |
| 10:19.50 | Guerin | kenalex: is 15,000 enough packages for you? |
| 10:19.59 | Guerin | because that's roughly how many there are |
| 10:20.02 | sml | jethro: pdo ? |
| 10:20.06 | jethro | !pdo |
| 10:20.06 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 10:20.14 | sml | lol. thanks. |
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| 10:21.04 | GunZ | is 2.6.8 the latest kernel source under sarge? |
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| 10:21.06 | Diddymus | simonrvn: hrm, smartpm has just been added to debian testing, it is said to handle debs and rpms on debian, not tried it myself but ... ? |
| 10:21.11 | chealer | GunZ: yes |
| 10:21.14 | GunZ | ok thx |
| 10:21.19 | sml | jethro: I dont often set up new linux boxes so... bit rusty on these kind of things. usually i just use linux to *use* it not play around ;) |
| 10:21.23 | Guerin | don't install rpms on debian |
| 10:21.24 | Guerin | ever |
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| 10:21.27 | simonrvn | and why are you telling me this? |
| 10:21.27 | Guerin | for any reason |
| 10:21.29 | kenalex | streuner:ok |
| 10:21.29 | sml | jethro: thanks for you answers. i'll go play. |
| 10:21.33 | jethro | sml: enjoy |
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| 10:21.53 | eskaypey | hey you know the picture on startup in debian in top left corner.. can i change it? |
| 10:22.00 | jethro | yes |
| 10:22.01 | simonrvn | yes |
| 10:22.09 | Guerin | eskaypey: look for the framebuffer howto |
| 10:22.09 | sml | eskaypey: you mean the tux penguin when you have framebuffer support ? |
| 10:22.15 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15197 packages, 1438 maintainers, 27262 MB installed size, 8694 MB compressed size. |
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| 10:22.27 | Guerin | you can put a pic of your girlfriend there ... awww. |
| 10:22.32 | sml | Guerin: lmao. |
| 10:22.38 | eskaypey | thats what i wanna do :) lol not |
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| 10:22.56 | simonrvn | FUCK |
| 10:23.04 | Guerin | sml: well, people have them in their wallets... cellphones... behind the shade on their car... |
| 10:23.30 | sml | jethro: I used to like epic until i found irssi. you ever used zenirc? now that is *awesome* |
| 10:23.32 | GunZ | does debian support the xorg or xfree86 for x-windows? |
| 10:23.39 | streuner | xfree |
| 10:23.41 | jethro | xfree |
| 10:23.43 | GunZ | ok |
| 10:23.45 | chealer | GunZ: /topic |
| 10:23.57 | jethro | sml: I ve used ircII bitchx and irssi |
| 10:24.08 | sml | GunZ: there's some problem with the xorg licence i believe that means its not included in the debian. |
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| 10:24.21 | GunZ | sml: aha |
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| 10:24.23 | simonrvn | sml: what? |
| 10:24.26 | abel | hi all anyone have the name of the package that allow to bind application to media keyboard keys i don't find the name anymore. I'm out of alot of unsuccessful apt-cache trial |
| 10:24.28 | jethro | started IRCing with ircII on a sun box :) |
| 10:24.29 | simonrvn | bullshit |
| 10:24.37 | GunZ | sml: and what might that be then |
| 10:24.40 | jm_ | abel: hotkeys is one of then |
| 10:24.42 | jm_ | them |
| 10:24.42 | GunZ | tje problem |
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| 10:24.45 | sml | simonrvn: that's what someone said once when i asked them why you dont get xorg with debian |
| 10:24.47 | simonrvn | sml: xfree86 4.4 has the crap licence, not xorg |
| 10:24.47 | Shadur | ~tell sml about xorg |
| 10:24.56 | simonrvn | total BS |
| 10:24.56 | sml | simonrvn: ahhhhh ok. wrong way around. i dont use X. |
| 10:24.58 | abel | jm : that the one i'm looking for thanks |
| 10:25.03 | sml | i use screen. screen is the daddy. |
| 10:25.05 | Shadur | sml: Amazingly enough you managed to get every single detail wrong. |
| 10:25.07 | abel | jm_: that the one i'm looking for thanks |
| 10:25.08 | jethro | simonrvn: because openldap is teh suck, I figured that out!! can't even get the client to work on AIX.. builds fine but never talks when called by the system internalls (ie authentication, or nss) |
| 10:25.17 | toukitsune | jethro: I heard that SunOS is simular to MacOS in ways |
| 10:25.20 | GunZ | simonrvn: ok why is xorg not in debian then? |
| 10:25.31 | simonrvn | jeff: no, this is the first time i've had a problem with the installation itself |
| 10:25.32 | jethro | toukitsune: that's the most funny thing I ve heard today |
| 10:25.39 | sml | Shadur: well I was sure it was something to do wiht the licence but since i dont myself even know what all the different licences mean and how they vary, its a bit hard for me to recite from memory. |
| 10:25.41 | simonrvn | because sarge hasn't released |
| 10:25.54 | jethro | simonrvn: builds fine on most the OS I ve used it on, but fails to work properly on these bloody AIX boxed |
| 10:25.57 | jethro | boxes |
| 10:26.17 | simonrvn | aix is a pita anyway. barely qualifies as an unix |
| 10:26.24 | directhex|work | so is solaris |
| 10:26.26 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 10:26.32 | jethro | you know my customer has like thousands of them |
| 10:26.38 | jethro | most of them being 4.3 :/ |
| 10:26.47 | jethro | so be it a pita or not, I need to get that working :p |
| 10:26.54 | sml | simonrvn: so xorg didn't make it into 3.0 is that the only reason? |
| 10:27.01 | simonrvn | the list has plenty of info... 'm sure the folks there can help you |
| 10:27.08 | jethro | openldap list? |
| 10:27.11 | directhex|work | sml, 3.0 was released in mid 2002. xorg didn't exist |
| 10:27.15 | simonrvn | xorg didn't exist when woody was released |
| 10:27.35 | simonrvn | xfree86 was still in v. 4.1.x |
| 10:27.36 | jethro | actually I lack skills on AIX to debug the problems, like I d do it on other unices I iknow better |
| 10:27.53 | jm_ | AIX has dbx, or you could install gdb for i |
| 10:27.55 | sml | directhex|work, simonrvn oh ok then. i'll update my brain. |
| 10:27.57 | jm_ | i=it |
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| 10:28.02 | sml | are the config files pretty much the same then ? |
| 10:28.10 | sml | compatible even. |
| 10:28.26 | simonrvn | similar. some of the options are slightly different, like main keyboard |
| 10:28.26 | jethro | jm_: Imean I need things like strace, lsof, know where the log files are (cause it's not /var/log), found out some infos already, but still googleing :) |
| 10:29.15 | jethro | jm_: and if dbx is part of their shitty xl developper toolkit, I d rather use gdb instead and save both time and money :) |
| 10:30.03 | sml | are there any unofficial debs for xorg ? |
| 10:30.08 | jethro | yes there are |
| 10:30.19 | jethro | !tell sml -about xorg deb |
| 10:30.32 | jm_ | jethro: AIX 5 has strace |
| 10:30.38 | jm_ | jethro: or rather truss |
| 10:30.39 | nksen | how can I tell apt-get to NOT upgrade several packages? |
| 10:30.43 | sml | cheers jethro |
| 10:30.50 | jethro | jm_: 80% is 4.3 :) |
| 10:30.51 | simonrvn | @tell nksen -about hold |
| 10:30.55 | jm_ | jethro: dbx is not part of XL |
| 10:31.02 | jethro | jm_: but thanks for the tip, I ll use that on 5.x |
| 10:31.08 | jm_ | jethro: that one has its own tracing facilty |
| 10:31.08 | MaximusBrood | I looked over several pages... to see if you can startup a app automaticley after boot... and they all said no... so, is it true (I think so :( ) |
| 10:31.12 | jethro | jm_: glad to learn that :) |
| 10:31.15 | mathieu_ | nksen, use aptitude instead of apt-get: aptitude hold <package> |
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| 10:31.25 | jethro | MaximusBrood: /etc/init.d/README |
| 10:31.33 | MaximusBrood | k |
| 10:32.13 | element14 | nksen: alternatively, man apt_preferences |
| 10:32.21 | nksen | simonrvn: thx a lot, works like a charme |
| 10:32.23 | jm_ | jethro: dbx is in app development or somesuch, on base OS CD-s |
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| 10:33.26 | jethro | jm_: thanks a lot, truss will help for sure :) |
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| 10:34.49 | mr_claus | hi, i want to build a backport of the actual kernel-sources from unstable, i installed the sources and the diff and run make-kpkg but the configuration is missing, i though it's in the diff file but it isn't |
| 10:35.25 | jethro | jm_: "require the truss utility that is not available on AIX versions 4.3.x." :/ too bad |
| 10:35.30 | mr_claus | where i can get the default debian configuration of the kernel? |
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| 10:35.43 | m4lu6 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:36.08 | jm_ | jethro: yeah, I hate that too |
| 10:36.11 | sml | the kernel-images with a -1- should not be used right? why is that ? |
| 10:36.23 | jethro | jm_: you know if there is any equivalent I could use? |
| 10:36.32 | jethro | jm_: sorry for bothering you with ot questions :) |
| 10:36.35 | chealer | sml: wrong, that's only when there's a ->1 |
| 10:36.40 | m4lu6 | 2.6.10-1-686-smp is on my box, with no apparent problems. |
| 10:37.09 | sml | chealer: oh i see. -1- is ok unless there's a -2- in which case the latter should be used. |
| 10:37.13 | mr_claus | is the configuration stored in the kernel-image-...... diff file? |
| 10:37.17 | jethro | jm_: nm think I found something |
| 10:37.18 | chealer | sml: yes |
| 10:37.24 | sml | chealer: ok thanks. i understand now. |
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| 10:37.51 | jethro | jm_: http://www.trinem.co.uk/downloads/code/libtrace_c.txt in case you need such a thing someday |
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| 10:38.47 | jm_ | jethro: 4.3 has its own tracing, it's in SMIT if you need it - I don't know how useful it is though, because the only time I tried it the thing crashed the box ;) |
| 10:38.54 | jm_ | or rather 4.x has |
| 10:39.01 | jethro | hahaha |
| 10:39.03 | tosh| | my vsftpd gives me 500 OOPS: cap_set_proc |
| 10:39.04 | sml | chealer: if you do an apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 will it just grab the latest 2.6.x-y-686 then? |
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| 10:39.14 | jethro | I ll give it a try then and see if crashes the box too :) |
| 10:39.27 | tosh| | I should enable a certain module to allow vsftpd to login users, anyone know which one? |
| 10:39.45 | chealer | sml: not exactly, but that's about right |
| 10:39.52 | directhex|work | mr_claus, /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 10:40.03 | GunZ | whats the command to check whether a package is already installed? |
| 10:40.13 | chealer | sml: at least, it won't get a y inferior to the maximum y for x |
| 10:40.14 | streuner | GunZ: dpkg -l package |
| 10:40.17 | directhex|work | dpkg -l foopkg |
| 10:40.18 | dpkg | No packages found matching foopkg |
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| 10:40.37 | streuner | dpkg -i foo |
| 10:40.38 | simonrvn | dpkg no foopkg? are you serious? |
| 10:40.38 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 10:40.39 | GunZ | ok thx guys |
| 10:40.51 | sml | tosh|: what does uname -r tell you? |
| 10:40.51 | simonrvn | dpkg: forget no foopkg? |
| 10:40.51 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'no foopkg?' to forget, simonrvn |
| 10:41.00 | simonrvn | dpkg: forget no foopkg? are |
| 10:41.00 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'no foopkg? are' to forget, simonrvn |
| 10:41.09 | simonrvn | ... |
| 10:41.15 | chealer | simonrvn: tssk tssk |
| 10:41.24 | tosh| | sml you could have asked my kernel version :) 2.6.10 |
| 10:41.32 | simonrvn | dpkg: forget foopkg? |
| 10:41.32 | dpkg | simonrvn: i didn't have anything called 'foopkg?' to forget |
| 10:41.41 | directhex|work | dpkg, listkeys foopkg |
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| 10:41.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'foopkg' by key (1): foopkg. |
| 10:41.45 | chealer | forget foopkg |
| 10:41.47 | sml | tosh|: see http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man3/cap_set_proc.3.html, i think if you're using a 2.6 you should use a 2.4... i think that will fix it |
| 10:42.00 | simonrvn | dpkg: forget foopkg |
| 10:42.01 | dpkg | simonrvn: i forgot foopkg |
| 10:42.01 | tosh| | sml lol seriously |
| 10:42.19 | sml | chealer: ok man thanks. |
| 10:42.23 | chealer | !punch dpkg |
| 10:42.32 | chealer | sml: no problem |
| 10:42.40 | mr_claus | directhex|work: whats about if the kernel is not installed, i want to backport a new kernel, how debian developers build the fresh kernel? there must be another or an additional place |
| 10:46.33 | element14 | mr_claus: i just tried "apt-get source kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686". it has the configs. |
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| 10:46.51 | element14 | and for that matter, ONLY the configs..... |
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| 10:47.20 | mr_claus | element14: ok, i will try that, thx |
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| 10:47.45 | element14 | sure |
| 10:48.04 | benjamindees | !fuck swbell |
| 10:48.13 | xelam | hmm |
| 10:48.16 | xelam | !fuck xelam |
| 10:48.23 | xelam | lol |
| 10:48.35 | benjamindees | dns lookups work from *outside* SBC's network, but not from inside... |
| 10:49.00 | benjamindees | on SBC's fucking dns servers :s |
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| 10:50.31 | mr_claus | element14: and how the build process works? copy all stuff into the kernel dir would be the wrong way i think, is there some documentation available? |
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| 10:51.03 | simonrvn | benjamindees: so set up your wn caching naemserv and be happy ;) |
| 10:51.13 | simonrvn | ugh, sorry for the typos |
| 10:51.15 | element14 | mr_claus: no idea :(. i haven't built any debs myself.... |
| 10:51.56 | element14 | mr_claus: though, if you're building a just kernel, the config file should be named .config in the kernel directory |
| 10:52.44 | mr_claus | element14: i want to build an actual kernel for sarge because i need xen packages and xen is only available for kernel-version 2.6.10 but in sarge the kernel is 2.6.8 |
| 10:54.20 | benjamindees | simonrvn, well that wouldn't help this instance, but actually, it's a different problem; it appears they've fixed something for once :) |
| 10:54.29 | simonrvn | oh, cool |
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| 10:55.42 | MannGott | g |
| 10:56.11 | benjamindees | a few days ago one of their servers was failing to resolv, but not giving an error, which (I guess) prevents Linux from failing over to the second server |
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| 10:56.25 | chealer | why are the new kernel-image-2.6.8-2 kept from Sarge? |
| 10:57.02 | benjamindees | but now I can't reproduce it |
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| 10:58.09 | simonrvn | linux and the resolver respect the ttl |
| 10:58.29 | tim_h_ | does anybody use kde3.4 from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org? The settings:/ kioslave doesnt work here .. |
| 10:58.39 | chealer | tim_h_: #debian-kde |
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| 10:59.40 | benjamindees | all I remember is dig wasn't returning an ip address, but it said NOERROR, so lookups kept using the same server |
| 11:00.13 | element14 | mr_claus: doesn't the xen package provide the kernel already? |
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| 11:00.26 | benjamindees | I didn't know enough about it to realize what I was seeing; and now I can't reproduce it :( |
| 11:02.52 | mr_claus | element14: it provides two additional kernel image, host system and virtual system |
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| 11:04.07 | chealer | !tell sandwitch about away |
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| 11:04.13 | simonrvn | sounds like a badly configured NS... |
| 11:04.30 | MannGott | hi |
| 11:04.39 | mr_claus | element14: but to build xen a kernel-source 2.6.10 is need which is not available in debian sarge |
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| 11:05.24 | MannGott | somebody could help me? i'am troubling for my audio device... |
| 11:05.36 | simonrvn | just ask your question |
| 11:05.38 | element14 | mr_claus: i'm confused. i thought there was only 1 kernel needed for xen and it's in the xen package already? |
| 11:06.47 | mr_claus | element14: you need a host kernel which is booting first and which provides the infrastructure to run virtual servers, next you need a second kernel which is started as virtual machine |
| 11:07.05 | mr_claus | element14: it's a little bit like uml |
| 11:07.07 | benjamindees | simonrvn, the one for my isp or for the website? |
| 11:07.17 | simonrvn | your isp |
| 11:07.26 | MannGott | i have an audio card integrated with motherboard, it is soundmax card. i found driver for it on asus's site, but it didn't work because an error of file sgbuf.c |
| 11:07.49 | simonrvn | i know mine is, and how, and how to fix it. well, several names pointing at one ip... |
| 11:07.51 | MannGott | i found a patch for it, but it is only a text written and i don't knkow how i have to patch it |
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| 11:08.09 | simonrvn | but it fricking works :) |
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| 11:09.05 | element14 | oh. |
| 11:09.08 | mr_claus | element14: but it seems as i have to copy the config from kernel-image into my kernel-source and then i have to build all kernel debs like source image doc and so on, after putting them into my own repository it should be possible to build a xen package |
| 11:10.27 | element14 | i guess so.... the xen documentation has confused me a few days ago (and still is) when i tried to comprehend it..... |
| 11:10.39 | simonrvn | you only really need the binary-arch target |
| 11:10.56 | simonrvn | -image, and -headers |
| 11:11.25 | MannGott | what is and where i can look for it? |
| 11:11.57 | simonrvn | MannGott: apt-get install patch. man patch |
| 11:12.17 | MannGott | i try now |
| 11:12.54 | mr_claus | element14: i would do the same but in this case i need packages to get xen packages too and i need xen on different machines so there is no other way as building packages :( |
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| 11:13.29 | element14 | mr_claus: why would you "need packages to get xen packages"? |
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| 11:15.45 | MannGott | simonrvn: http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/11/sound/core/sgbuf.c this is what i found for sgbuf.c. it is helpful? |
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| 11:16.13 | MannGott | simonrvn: apt didn't find nothing helpful |
| 11:16.29 | Guerin | MannGott: must have found something helpful, then |
| 11:16.34 | Guerin | good for you! |
| 11:16.41 | simonrvn | i'm not sure if it will... i mean you didn't say any specifics - does that driver even work in 2.6? |
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| 11:16.49 | anacaona | hello all! |
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| 11:17.08 | anacaona | i have a question about debian install cds: |
| 11:17.20 | anacaona | do i have to have all of them? if not, which ones? |
| 11:17.30 | Chameleon22 | how can i pass an iso file to my dvd recorder via a comand line? |
| 11:17.38 | jm_ | Chameleon22: man growisofs |
| 11:17.42 | anhi | anacaona: nope |
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| 11:17.45 | MannGott | simonrvn, i think yes |
| 11:17.53 | Mash | hello |
| 11:17.59 | mr_claus | element14: to build a xen package i need kernel source as debian package |
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| 11:18.11 | anhi | anacaona: best way is to use the netinstall disk and get the files from the internet |
| 11:18.23 | element14 | mr_claus: there's a xen debian package in unstable..... |
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| 11:18.37 | Capkirk | just upgraded at woody->sarge and now apachectl reload etc dosnt work have anyone experinced the same problem? |
| 11:18.50 | Guerin | Capkirk: don't use apachectl |
| 11:18.59 | Guerin | Capkirk: use /etc/init.d/apache |
| 11:19.02 | simonrvn | MannGott: ok, i didn't look, but it might help. do you know how to use diff? |
| 11:19.09 | simonrvn | eh |
| 11:19.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:19.59 | Capkirk | Guerin: yeah i know but its strange that apachectl dosnt work anymore? |
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| 11:21.10 | e2e | Hi, i can't boot any cd which i burn on my sarge. When i try to boot a live-cd my machine restarts just after bios check, and when i try to boot an installation cd it gives bios checksum error. I always check md5sums, so iso files seems ok. What could be the problem? Could it be my CD-RW (Samsung) problem? |
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| 11:21.13 | Guerin | Capkirk: yeah, that's strange. |
| 11:21.41 | Guerin | e2e: anything's possible. Does ANY bootable cd work? |
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| 11:22.51 | e2e | Guerin: Yes, i installed sarge and woody without any problem. But i burned thet cds on another machine. |
| 11:23.31 | petemc | thet being ubuntu? |
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| 11:24.44 | sander | ?? java |
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| 11:25.09 | oleth | hello, how can I change monitor refresh rates after installation? I have gnome |
| 11:25.10 | Guerin | e2e: hrm, weird. Will those media boot any other machine? |
| 11:25.21 | Guerin | !drxx oleth |
| 11:25.23 | dpkg | oleth: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 11:25.27 | sander | hmm.. |
| 11:25.44 | sander | how do I install sdk? |
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| 11:26.09 | xelam | sander: download the non-RPM installer, and run it |
| 11:26.34 | jm_ | sander: use java-package |
| 11:26.39 | e2e | Guerin: No :( |
| 11:26.41 | directhex|work | sander, get the .bin, install java-package, run mpkg-j2se thefile.bin |
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| 11:26.57 | _john12 | java desktop system, the linux distro from sun, is open source and free?.? |
| 11:27.00 | sander | dosnt it exist an debian mirror for it? |
| 11:27.01 | Nino | hello |
| 11:27.01 | _joey | is there mechanism to unload unsused modules automatically on 2.6.x ? |
| 11:27.07 | directhex|work | _john12, no |
| 11:27.25 | _john12 | _joey rmmode -a |
| 11:27.30 | directhex|work | _john12, it's a paid-for SUSE derrivative |
| 11:27.44 | e2e | Guerin: I can see cd content, but only as data cd. All bootable iso files i burned with my machine gives same errors on every machine i've tried |
| 11:27.50 | _joey | automatically is the key word |
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| 11:27.55 | sml | is a kernel-image-blah-blah-386 compatible with a kernel-image-blah-blah-686 from a point of the nvidia module? |
| 11:28.06 | directhex|work | sml, no, not at all |
| 11:28.10 | _john12 | directhex|work thanx. |
| 11:28.14 | sml | directhex|work: ok. |
| 11:28.24 | sml | directhex|work: thought it was only the version that was important. |
| 11:28.39 | Nino | what advantages does ubuntu have in comparition to a normal debian? |
| 11:28.40 | Guerin | e2e: that's pretty nasty. |
| 11:28.42 | directhex|work | sml, it's the exact compilation, down to which completely unrelated modules are compiled |
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| 11:28.54 | Guerin | e2e: I have a samsung cdrw, and it's worked perfectly for years |
| 11:28.58 | streuner | Nino: why do you ask this here? |
| 11:29.01 | directhex|work | Nino, some gushing-blood bleeding edge packages |
| 11:29.24 | tarzeau | someone wants to try a new game debian package? |
| 11:29.48 | directhex|work | tarzeau, depends, is it good and is it _amd64 |
| 11:30.04 | tarzeau | directhex|work: it's i386, yes it's very cool of course |
| 11:30.17 | _john12 | directhex|work do u own an amd64? |
| 11:30.27 | tarzeau | directhex|work: you can get the source pkg and build it, no? needs sdl |
| 11:30.38 | e2e | Guerin: This is a new CD-RW, i bought a few weeks ago. So, i think i have to try another cd-rw on my box to see if it's a cd-rw problem. But there is no one just now... |
| 11:30.40 | directhex|work | _john12, my office pc is an amd64 |
| 11:31.02 | Guerin | e2e: kernel logs say anything? |
| 11:31.02 | streuner | Nino: go to the next store in germany (BMW) and ask what advantages Mercedes have? |
| 11:31.10 | tarzeau | directhex|work: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/supertransball2/ |
| 11:31.15 | _john12 | directhex|work is it good?.? i have a celeron 2.4GHz.. and it really sucks.. i can't see any different between the celeron and a p3 733Mhz... |
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| 11:32.08 | directhex|work | _john12, it's adequate for the job i do (sshing to a solaris machine & a rehat machine. and reading email) |
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| 11:32.30 | _john12 | directhex|work heh.. good for u. |
| 11:32.43 | _john12 | directhex|work are u a sysadmin or sth? |
| 11:32.49 | directhex|work | _john12, yes. |
| 11:32.50 | e2e | Guerin: No, i couldn't find any line about this problem |
| 11:33.15 | _john12 | directhex|work cool.. i want to be a sysadmin , too.. but i have heard that they are not well-payed |
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| 11:33.41 | petemc | _john12: depends what you term well paid, you should get above minimum wage |
| 11:34.11 | _john12 | ... |
| 11:34.20 | Guerin | e2e: i'm having a lot of cd trouble with another samsung cd drive |
| 11:35.07 | benjamindees | you should even get above non-union factory workers, depending on where you live :) |
| 11:35.07 | Guerin | e2e: though just reading on boot, not burning |
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| 11:36.33 | oleth | dpkg: I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. when it comes to monitor settings I select advanced. I can set the Scanning Frequency but there's no option for refresh rate. |
| 11:36.34 | _john12 | i have debian 3.0 woody and everything here is really old... this is the only problem with deb |
| 11:36.34 | Guerin | !d-i _john12 |
| 11:36.34 | dpkg | _john12, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:36.35 | benjamindees | e2e, is your system an intel motherboard/vidcard chipset? |
| 11:36.35 | Guerin | oleth: just run it in "simple" |
| 11:36.35 | tuxyAtitude | hi. I read that debian devs are now rather angry against Ubuntu. |
| 11:36.35 | e2e | Guerin: Samsung was not my choice, one of my friend bought it for me, but it seems there is no chance other than to buy a new one... And i hope it's a cd-rw problem |
| 11:36.43 | Guerin | tuxyAtitude: so? |
| 11:36.47 | e2e | benjamindees: It's a MSI board |
| 11:36.51 | mr_claus | element14: there is one in experimental |
| 11:36.52 | _john12 | i have a 56k connection.. i was wondering if there is any "unstable" version of debian with new packages |
| 11:37.07 | tuxyAtitude | This is normal ubuntu is not debian, and i found that since the very first time i saw this project it wasn't a so good idea to fork debian |
| 11:37.10 | directhex|work | _john12, there's unstable. but you don't want to run unstable. run sarge. |
| 11:37.12 | Guerin | tuxyAtitude: well, since many debian devs actually WORK FOR canonical and MAKE ubuntu, that's a rather rash statement |
| 11:37.24 | streuner | !tell _john12 about sid faq |
| 11:37.26 | _john12 | directhex|work what is sarge ? |
| 11:37.34 | directhex|work | _john12, the codename for debian 3.1 |
| 11:37.36 | streuner | !sarge |
| 11:37.36 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 11:37.47 | _john12 | directhex|work packages are new? |
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| 11:37.56 | Guerin | newish |
| 11:37.59 | directhex|work | _john12, for the most part |
| 11:38.05 | Guerin | several years newer than woody |
| 11:38.09 | tuxyAtitude | afai read (on slashdot i admit :/) it seems that .deb packages from ubuntu aren't compatable anymore with debian sarge ! |
| 11:38.21 | _john12 | what's the kernel ? |
| 11:38.41 | e2e | Guerin: Thank you... |
| 11:38.41 | Guerin | tuxyAtitude: amazingly, since ubuntu is based off sid, and is quite heavily altered. |
| 11:38.42 | Lorvija | Hey, anyone from UK here? need a bit help, not about linux |
| 11:38.48 | benjamindees | tuxyAtitude, Ubuntu takes packages before they get to Sarge, and makes changes to them, so yes |
| 11:38.52 | _john12 | i'm thinkin' in switching to slack or gentoo... |
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| 11:39.06 | tuxyAtitude | so what ? What do you think of ubuntu ? Good ? bad ? |
| 11:39.17 | Guerin | _john12: packages.debian.org tells you all the packages and their versions |
| 11:39.17 | simonrvn | your box, do what you like |
| 11:39.26 | Guerin | tuxyAtitude: complex. |
| 11:39.28 | _john12 | Guerin thanx |
| 11:39.38 | streuner | tuxyAtitude: can you change your nick to TrollAtitude? |
| 11:39.44 | Guerin | _joey: there are lots of them |
| 11:39.44 | tuxyAtitude | Guerin, you mean good and bad ? |
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| 11:39.48 | element14 | mr_claus: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/xen ? |
| 11:39.49 | Guerin | tuxyAtitude: yes. |
| 11:39.55 | Crasp | tuxyAtitude: i have good experience with it, instant workable workstation |
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| 11:39.55 | oleth | Guerin: when I run simple I can only choose size (for example 17 inch). |
| 11:39.59 | tuxyAtitude | streuner, no, i just want to analyse the situation, nothing to do with troll ! |
| 11:40.02 | _joey | a good distro cannot have a name such as ubuntu ;* |
| 11:40.03 | benjamindees | tuxyAtitude, I came (back actually) to Debian to get away from six month releases |
| 11:40.16 | Somebody_ | Hello, I want to make a program CD into a .ISO or .ZIP, can I get a program that does this for me? |
| 11:40.17 | streuner | tuxyAtitude: analyse the situation somewhere else |
| 11:40.17 | Guerin | oleth: no, that's not true. You get to choose what resolutions afterwards. |
| 11:40.31 | Crasp | Somebody_: dd |
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| 11:40.36 | Guerin | Somebody_: man mkisofs or man zip |
| 11:40.43 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 11:40.46 | Guerin | a program cd |
| 11:40.49 | Guerin | mah bayd |
| 11:41.00 | tuxyAtitude | streuner, give me arguments for that. I don't think any parts of this discussion is Off Topic of the channel |
| 11:41.01 | simonrvn | mah bayd. yessir |
| 11:41.04 | directhex|work | use "hwinfo --monitor" and advanced |
| 11:41.06 | directhex|work | it's the hexxeh way |
| 11:41.11 | Guerin | simonrvn: hooot-nanny |
| 11:41.20 | streuner | tuxyAtitude: How long do you use linux? |
| 11:41.21 | simonrvn | tuxyAtitude: it is. now please stfukthxbye |
| 11:41.25 | oleth | Guerin: yes but not refresh rates. The resolution is ok but refresh rate isnt satisfactory. |
| 11:41.27 | Crasp | Somebody_: dd </dev/whereveryourcdromis >programcd.iso bs=8192 |
| 11:41.33 | mr_claus | element14: i need version 2.0.5 and that version is in experimental, i have to backport the package to sarge which needs a new compile, which needs the sources of 2.6.10 |
| 11:41.36 | Guerin | oleth: use the hexxeh way |
| 11:42.05 | directhex|work | !hwinfo |
| 11:42.05 | simonrvn | Guerin: :) |
| 11:42.05 | dpkg | [hwinfo] your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 11:42.11 | element14 | i see. |
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| 11:42.40 | Crasp | ah hwinfo |
| 11:42.43 | Crasp | i should remember that |
| 11:42.49 | simonrvn | mr_claus: actually you only need to backport if the deps aren't in sarge |
| 11:42.58 | simonrvn | backport it* |
| 11:43.00 | Crasp | i think i used some strange application to create a modeline so i could use 120Hz |
| 11:43.11 | directhex|work | i know! hwinfo is a hidden marvel |
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| 11:43.12 | Crasp | or do you still need that? |
| 11:43.28 | directhex|work | hwinfo --framebuffer helped me get a 1600x1200 framebuffer console. which is rather tasty |
| 11:43.28 | simonrvn | hwinfo is neat shit |
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| 11:43.44 | mr_claus | simonrvn: yes the kernel sources 2.6.10 are not in sarge and xen 2.0.5 is not in sarge, so i have to do the backprot |
| 11:43.47 | directhex|work | gotta convert the hex modes it gives to decimal, though, but nevermind |
| 11:43.51 | simonrvn | ok |
| 11:43.52 | mr_claus | backport :) |
| 11:44.16 | anacaona | i'm trying to download sarge isos with jigdo and keep getting this error message: sed: -e expression #1, char 28: unterminated `s' command |
| 11:44.33 | Guerin | anacaona: go in and add a / someplace |
| 11:44.35 | anacaona | i'm on mandrake 10.1, jigdo version -0.7.0-2mdk |
| 11:44.45 | anacaona | after the url? |
| 11:44.46 | Guerin | anacaona: blame mandrake |
| 11:44.48 | anacaona | lemme try that. |
| 11:44.50 | anacaona | :-) |
| 11:44.54 | Guerin | anacaona: this has nothing to do with debian, at all |
| 11:44.55 | mr_claus | simonrvn: debian/control of xen-2 want to have kernel-sources-2.6.10 to build the xen package |
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| 11:45.02 | simonrvn | i see |
| 11:45.23 | benjamindees | Guerin, to be fair he is actually switching *to* Debian |
| 11:45.59 | simonrvn | my for-the-time-it-was-made-but-now-way-too-old video card, and other stuff i though to give it a try |
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| 11:46.21 | streuner | benjamindees: how we can help him with mandrake bugs? |
| 11:47.18 | anacaona | *she* |
| 11:47.31 | anacaona | ok. what do i do about this jigdo problem? |
| 11:47.51 | anacaona | is the problem jigdo or sed? |
| 11:47.53 | benjamindees | heh, watch them line up to help now :) |
| 11:48.15 | Crasp | anacaona: if it gives too much errors just leech the iso's from the website instead of using that autoisobuild thingy |
| 11:48.17 | simonrvn | probably just an unwrapped sed -e expression... |
| 11:48.18 | peterS | anacaona: simple solution is not to use jigdo, but to download debian-installer for (unreleased) debian 3.1. see www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:48.48 | Guerin | benjamindees: it's not the debian file that's causing the problem... |
| 11:49.25 | oleth | Guerin: I used hwinfo to see the available refresh rates. Could you explain what is hexxeh? :) |
| 11:49.25 | benjamindees | Guerin, I know, I know |
| 11:49.25 | Crasp | anacaona: or if you have a good internet connection you could even get a 35mb iso and install the rest from the net |
| 11:49.25 | Guerin | hexxeh = directhex |
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| 11:49.57 | benjamindees | do other distros even package jigdo? |
| 11:50.05 | Guerin | sure |
| 11:50.26 | anacaona | my issue is i only have a wifi pcmcia card (no ethernet) |
| 11:50.26 | streuner | dpkg info jigdo |
| 11:50.29 | dpkg | jigdo: (GTK+ download manager), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.7.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 227 kB, Installed size: 514 kB |
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| 11:50.35 | toukitsune | whats jigdo? lol j/k |
| 11:50.37 | Guerin | gah |
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| 11:50.52 | oleth | Guerin: I cant find it in packages |
| 11:50.52 | Crasp | anacaona: try this iso if you can install from the net.. wifi is not a problem: http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/pub/debian-xfs/netinst-xfs.iso |
| 11:50.53 | anacaona | i need a kernel version that'll let me install ndiswrapper, configure my wifi card and finish the netinstall. |
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| 11:50.58 | Guerin | there is no reason at all to not have real, wired ethernet |
| 11:51.07 | streuner | toukitsune: a nice way to use serveral mirrors at the same time, useful when a new release is out |
| 11:51.30 | Guerin | oleth: no.. it's the method suggested by directhex|work - hwinfo |
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| 11:51.51 | streuner | toukitsune: but usually there is NOT need of jigdo at all |
| 11:52.09 | directhex|work | !info hwinfo sarge |
| 11:52.12 | anacaona | thanx guerin. i'll try that. |
| 11:52.12 | dpkg | hwinfo: (Hardware identification system), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.38-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 365 kB, Installed size: 1004 kB |
| 11:52.31 | directhex|work | apt-get install hwinfo % hwinfo --monitor |
| 11:52.35 | directhex|work | bah |
| 11:52.40 | directhex|work | apt-get install hwinfo && hwinfo --monitor |
| 11:52.43 | simonrvn | directhex|work: sheep sheep |
| 11:52.46 | benjamindees | anacaona, can you use bittorrent? |
| 11:52.48 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 11:53.23 | Phati`sunshine- | !de |
| 11:53.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 11:53.31 | directhex|work | simonrvn, sheep? |
| 11:53.43 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 11:53.52 | directhex|work | shall i moo instead? |
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| 11:54.01 | simonrvn | if you like =) |
| 11:54.11 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:54.13 | Phati`sunshine- | !fr |
| 11:54.13 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:54.18 | Phati`sunshine- | !pl |
| 11:54.18 | dpkg | [pl] sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
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| 11:54.24 | Guerin | fucking hell and shit and damnation motherfuckers |
| 11:54.29 | simonrvn | @polish |
| 11:54.34 | asg | Guerin: bravo |
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| 11:54.45 | simonrvn | nice |
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| 11:54.55 | linoleum | hi |
| 11:55.11 | Guerin | knoppix 3.8.1 won't boot on my evil can't-install-anything-on-it machine |
| 11:55.23 | Guerin | that being the one I need to run debootstrap properly |
| 11:55.33 | linoleum | hey, I am using debian desktop , and I would like to have something like exposé under mac osx... what should I install : expocity, or skippy ??? |
| 11:55.52 | simonrvn | both, and see which one you like |
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| 11:56.03 | simonrvn | then purge the other one |
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| 11:56.06 | Crasp | !expose? |
| 11:56.26 | benjamindees | Guerin, what kind of exotic machine is this? |
| 11:56.29 | Crasp | what's expose? |
| 11:56.33 | directhex|work | linoleum, kompose! |
| 11:56.34 | peterS | Crasp: an OS X concept for viewing overlapping windows as non-overlapping ones |
| 11:56.41 | streuner | Guerin: well, time changes, it went from knoppix to ubuntu nowadays, so you are allowed to mention it ;-) |
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| 11:57.00 | peterS | Crasp: it zooms your windows out to a size where they all fit on the screen non-overlapping. you see the windows zoom out. then you can zoom back in after picking one |
| 11:57.14 | petemc | you can do it slow motion too! |
| 11:57.19 | linoleum | directhex|work: well, I have tryed KDE and GNome all this night, and finaly, I prefer gnome ... KDE , it's too much messy |
| 11:57.19 | foon | how could I restrict one user to only be able to run firefox/ooo/gnome/nautilus ? (the other binaries being denied to exec/see) any idea ? (fs acl and/or something like rbac/rsbac) |
| 11:57.20 | Guerin | benjamindees: it's a bog-standard samsung magic station - a korean mass-market desktop of about 2001 vintage |
| 11:57.25 | Crasp | peterS: ah yes, i've seen that once on a powerbook i think :) |
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| 11:57.33 | Guerin | benjamindees: intel piix, celeron 433, etc |
| 11:57.36 | Crasp | nothing more but eyecandy |
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| 11:57.42 | Guerin | nothing at all unusual |
| 11:57.42 | petemc | Crasp: wrong |
| 11:57.56 | billyoc | Guerin: what's it failing on? |
| 11:58.04 | peterS | Crasp: yes, it's eyecandy. but it's also one way to find a window in a pile of overlapping windows. this makes people more productive |
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| 11:58.26 | Crasp | i'm fine with alt-tab :) |
| 11:58.37 | petemc | alt tab isnt functionaly equivalent |
| 11:59.31 | peterS | Crasp: you might think of exposé as one more demonstration that Apple do not feel constrained by the model that basic OS windowing environments must not use 3D acceleratino features of video cards (: |
| 11:59.34 | Guerin | billyoc: depends what I boot. Booting d-i, it fails to mount the cd if allowed to detect ide - if done manually, it detects but fails to read a certain package from the cd |
| 12:00.27 | billyoc | Guerin: wow. a certain package, eh? Any chance it might be a bad cd? |
| 12:00.29 | Crasp | peterS: well i'm fine with eyecandy to show off to friends or something, but generally eyecandy doesn't improve my productivity :) |
| 12:00.31 | RichiH | peterS: as they have opengl from kernel to windowing system, they don't have any performance drawbacks, either |
| 12:00.32 | Guerin | billyoc: same with ubuntu live; knoppix <=3.7 and xfld both fail to mount unless booted with failsafe, at which point they work perfectly |
| 12:00.38 | Crasp | peterS: that's why i think windowmaker is a great wm :) |
| 12:00.40 | peterS | RichiH: right |
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| 12:00.44 | Guerin | billyoc: I've tried multiple burns of three different images :) |
| 12:00.45 | directhex|work | Crasp, how do you handle a bucket full of overlaping windows? |
| 12:00.52 | billyoc | grr |
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| 12:00.57 | RichiH | but oh well, in five years, linux will have that, too ;) |
| 12:00.59 | Guerin | yeah, it's maddening |
| 12:01.04 | peterS | directhex|work: he uses alt-tab and cycles through however many there are. maybe he uses multiple workspaces |
| 12:01.07 | Crasp | directhex|work: first of all, i don't need a zillion windows and i never have a zillion windows |
| 12:01.13 | Guerin | at this point I'm going to do a knoppix hdinstall and debootstrap from there |
| 12:01.29 | Crasp | directhex|work: and alt-tab does it's work great for me |
| 12:01.43 | Guerin | i can't debootstrap from knoppix itself because the version of debootstrap is out of date, and fails when it can't find a certain file |
| 12:01.52 | Crasp | i think usually i have about max 5 to 8 open windows |
| 12:01.54 | petemc | Guerin: knoppix 3.7? |
| 12:01.54 | streuner | Guerin: didn't you say, knoppix is unable to boot at all? |
| 12:02.22 | simonrvn | i have 8 right now |
| 12:02.25 | Guerin | no, knoppix 3.8.1 (totally new cryptoloop setup) |
| 12:02.34 | Guerin | knoppix 3.7 boots fine in failsafe |
| 12:02.36 | element14 | actually why hasn't anybody made sth like expose but with icons like alt-tab? |
| 12:02.37 | Crasp | a few shells, thunderbird and firefox |
| 12:02.40 | Crasp | that's usually it |
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| 12:02.57 | peterS | element14: you just described a taskbar |
| 12:03.03 | element14 | lol |
| 12:03.11 | element14 | taskbar is 1D though... |
| 12:03.13 | simonrvn | mutt, three screen sessions, 2 gvim instances, galeon, and this thing |
| 12:03.17 | Crasp | 1D? |
| 12:03.20 | peterS | element14: that's right, you can click on any icon in your taskbar and that window suddenly gets selected |
| 12:03.33 | Crasp | i don't think it's possible to view 1D :) |
| 12:03.45 | element14 | i'm thinking of sth 2D. the alt-tab is 1D in keystrokes... |
| 12:03.59 | Crasp | oh i thought the tasks in a taskbar :) |
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| 12:04.16 | MobyTurbo | element14: 1D is a line -------------------, not something on your screen. |
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| 12:04.30 | Guerin | for me: one shell, one screen session with lots of windows, and firefox |
| 12:04.30 | raf256 | what does SL+ mean in ps? |
| 12:04.36 | raf256 | like in "raf256 28778 0.0 0.2 2744 1056 pts/3 SL+ 14:02 0:00 gpg --output cre.tar.gz --symmetric" |
| 12:04.40 | element14 | MobyTurbo: that line isn't 1D btw |
| 12:04.41 | Guerin | raf256: man ps |
| 12:04.54 | benjamindees | element14, you want to alt-tab through multiple dimensions? |
| 12:05.03 | MobyTurbo | element14: it's a lot closer than a taskbar. |
| 12:05.08 | Crasp | element14: well perhaps you could write an alt-tab that allows the use of cursorkeys once alt-tab is pressed? :) |
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| 12:05.19 | peterS | MobyTurbo: he's right. element14's characterisation of a row of icons as 1D is just as accurate and useful as your characterisation of a row of glyphs as 1D |
| 12:05.19 | element14 | Crasp: yeah exactly |
| 12:05.21 | raf256 | Guerin: man PS do not inform what "SL+" state means |
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| 12:05.55 | peterS | Crasp: or selection via the mouse once an icon box is popped up in the middle of the screen |
| 12:06.06 | MobyTurbo | peterS: I think you're being pedantic, the line was given not as an instance of 1D but as a pointer to the type of thing that is 1D. |
| 12:06.10 | Crasp | peterS: yeah, i think kde already allows that actually |
| 12:06.18 | Guerin | raf256: funny; it tells me |
| 12:06.26 | raf256 | mine doesnt |
| 12:06.33 | Guerin | raf256: i bet it does |
| 12:06.36 | peterS | MobyTurbo: our point (no pun intended) stands. a row of icons is only a single dimension of elements, just as your row of hyphens is |
| 12:06.47 | simonrvn | i'e found other things that allow for mouse selection of an iconbox, didn't try arrow keys |
| 12:06.47 | oleth | Guerin: I think I get something wrong. I use hwinfo --monitor to see the available refresh rates (for 1024 I have several 60-100, 87 interlaced). I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose advanced. I write the horizontal and vertical tolerances. Where do I set the refresh rate? Maybe I have confused refresh rate withvertical-horizntal ones...? Sorry in advance for the headache |
| 12:06.54 | MobyTurbo | peterS: whatever |
| 12:07.08 | Crasp | MobyTurbo: see it as an array in c |
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| 12:07.12 | Guerin | raf256: line 544 and following |
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| 12:07.31 | Guerin | oleth: i think you have |
| 12:07.31 | Crasp | MobyTurbo: you can have a 2D array that also works with multiple rows instead of one row only |
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| 12:08.05 | raf256 | Guerin: well, mine `man ps` have 542 lines |
| 12:08.05 | directhex|work | oleth, you ONLY give the numbers at the bottom - the vertical sync rate & horizontal sync rate. all your available refresh rates are calculated from those 4 numbers |
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| 12:08.23 | benjamindees | wait, what's the point of this that a taskbar doesn't solve again? |
| 12:08.23 | directhex|work | oleth, available resolutons are also calculated on the force of very & horiz sync |
| 12:08.32 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:08.49 | element14 | raf256: try searching for PROCESS STATE CODES |
| 12:08.53 | Crasp | peterS: come to think of it, if you have a whole lot of overlapping windows a thing like expose isn't really gonna be of much help either if it are about 20 or more |
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| 12:09.08 | raf256 | oh |
| 12:09.17 | raf256 | ok now I got it |
| 12:09.22 | element14 | Crasp: O(sqrt(n)) seek is better than O(n)..... |
| 12:09.29 | peterS | Crasp: well, I don't have any hands-on experience with exposé. I don't know if it *really* aids productivity in common cases, or if it *is* just a visually neat idea that doesn't really do much for you |
| 12:10.10 | Crasp | element14: well it is for electrical circuits, but humans still have to view them all seperately |
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| 12:10.23 | oleth | diercthex|work: so by telling the hor&ver sync to xserver-xfree86 it calculates them automatically... Ok thanks everybody and sorry again |
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| 12:10.33 | Crasp | element14: besides that the more windows you get the smaller they will become, the harder it will be to find the correct one |
| 12:10.44 | element14 | Crasp: well, theoretically the seek time is faster ;-p |
| 12:11.00 | peterS | Crasp: the other thing about exposé is that it lets you work in your apps in the zoomed-out state. which is something unix apps will never be able to do until they're largely rewritten to be resolution-independent |
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| 12:11.07 | Crasp | element14: the only benefit you gain is that if you find the windows you can get there with 1 click instead of pressing tab several times to get at the correct position |
| 12:11.09 | element14 | when you've got like 30+ windows you're SOL anyway |
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| 12:11.28 | directhex|work | Crasp, the animation is part of it though. you have a vague idea of where the window you want is, layered behind other things, but the windows move fluidly so you can see which portion of the screen holds the window you want |
| 12:11.41 | jm_ | you are? I rarely work with anything less than 25 windows |
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| 12:11.52 | peterS | Crasp: even with 20 windows, I imagine you'll recognise the one you want even in miniature, much of the time. if they all look identical, it's probably because they're all xterms and it doesn't matter which one you pick anyway (: |
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| 12:11.59 | element14 | jm_: no, just an illustration |
| 12:12.26 | jm_ | xlsclients | wc -l --> 40 |
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| 12:12.28 | tarzeau | SOL? |
| 12:12.39 | benjamindees | tarzeau, shit out of luck |
| 12:12.39 | greycat | jm_: only 20 here... :/ |
| 12:12.44 | asg | peterS: now that's my kind of environment |
| 12:12.45 | Crasp | peterS: hmm that depends, usually my 5 xterms are all remote shells to different machines |
| 12:12.56 | Crasp | peterS: but as with all things i think it's more a matter of taste |
| 12:12.58 | directhex|work | use tabbed shells :) |
| 12:13.06 | jm_ | 26 of those are mrxvt which have several tabs ;) |
| 12:13.11 | tarzeau | but that's missing the 100 irc client windows and the 50 gnu screen windows in each *TERM!!! |
| 12:13.32 | Crasp | if i would install it it would be for eyecandy purposes only, that's what i know :) |
| 12:13.34 | _joey | which modules do I need to insert to get usb mouse support? on 2.6.11? I inserted usbmouse it's 1.6 USB I inserted hid module which is usb 2.0 |
| 12:13.49 | asg | peterS: didn't bob2 once run out of fds after having too many terms open? |
| 12:13.50 | cmug_ | Konsole |
| 12:13.58 | peterS | _joey: forget usbmouse. insert instead 'usbhid' and 'mousedev' |
| 12:14.09 | peterS | _joey: also, 'uhci-hcd' or 'ohci-hcd', depending on your motherboard |
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| 12:14.32 | directhex|work | or ehci-hcd for usb2 |
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| 12:14.40 | peterS | directhex|work: mice are never usb2 though |
| 12:14.50 | peterS | directhex|work: I would have mentioned ehci-hcd if they were (: |
| 12:14.54 | anacaona | Guerin: |
| 12:15.10 | anacaona | you sure this netinstall will recognize my wifi card without ndiswrapper? |
| 12:15.11 | Crasp | hmm then somehow i'm confused how my mouse works if i only have ehci compiled into my kernel :/ |
| 12:15.36 | Crasp | doesn't ehci or ohci/uhci merely describe the chipset? |
| 12:15.38 | omer | question: my scren card is geforce5200 128mb, what should i select the card type or dr when installing debian |
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| 12:15.56 | omer | i installed but i see a fw colors |
| 12:15.59 | peterS | Crasp: wild guess: the BIOS is in 'PS/2 mouse emulation mode' and you're using the 'psmouse' module |
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| 12:16.13 | Guerin | anacaona: since I have no idea what card you're using, how would I be able to be sure of that? |
| 12:16.18 | directhex|work | peterS, what about really really high resolution gamer mice? =] |
| 12:16.21 | peterS | Crasp: ohci/uhci describe the chipset for USB 1.1 support. ehci lives on top of one or the other |
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| 12:16.48 | peterS | directhex|work: I haven't got one of those, but from back-of-envelope calculations, even those don't go anywhere *near* the bandwidth limits of USB 1.1 |
| 12:16.54 | Crasp | peterS: hmm i don't know really, all i know is that my mainboard said it only had usb2 so i just compiled ehci and it seems to work |
| 12:16.59 | directhex|work | peterS, MORE RESOLUTION! MORE! |
| 12:16.59 | omer | how can i solve this problem |
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| 12:17.03 | Crasp | peterS: i use the intelli explorer driver |
| 12:17.10 | Crasp | peterS: not sure about bios setting |
| 12:17.16 | peterS | Crasp: right, in kernel 2.6 you *always* use that driver |
| 12:17.27 | asg | omer: which card driver did you choose? nv or vesa? |
| 12:17.35 | stein | The jigdo files for testing are from 23-Mar-2005. Why aren't they from current week ? |
| 12:17.54 | peterS | Crasp: anyway, if you don't explicitly initialise the USB 1.1 chip, the BIOS will keep on emulating a PS/2 mouse. so I'm guessing that's what you've got there. the 'psmouse' kernel driver. |
| 12:17.58 | element14 | directhex|work: if so the mouse would have a really neat processor... |
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| 12:18.21 | omer | a select vesa |
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| 12:18.38 | asg | omer: try using nv instead. |
| 12:18.38 | Crasp | peterS: well i can't really tell you now, but i'm pretty sure the kernel doesn't use psmouse |
| 12:18.45 | omer | it is automaticly selected as vesa |
| 12:18.49 | omer | ok |
| 12:18.49 | asg | omer: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 12:18.51 | Crasp | peterS: i'll have a look at it tonight |
| 12:18.52 | omer | thanks asg |
| 12:18.55 | peterS | directhex|work: btw, mouse resolution doesn't matter for bandwidth. what matters is refresh rate. USB mice normally do 125 Hz, which means 125 packets per second, which is *nothing* for USB bandwidth. many can be overclocked to 500 Hz. |
| 12:19.02 | omer | i have a few cd |
| 12:19.03 | tarzeau | omer: sharif? |
| 12:19.07 | omer | sarge cd 1 |
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| 12:19.10 | omer | testing |
| 12:19.21 | asg | omer: okay, try selecting 'nv' instead of 'vesa' |
| 12:19.22 | omer | and a cd (650 mb) |
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| 12:19.49 | asg | tarzeau: my Uncle used to play bridge with Omar Sharif |
| 12:19.49 | peterS | Crasp: run 'lspci -v | awk /USB/{print $NF}' to see what USB interface type(s) you have |
| 12:19.49 | omer | which should i install? |
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| 12:19.49 | omer | sarge or orhers |
| 12:19.49 | jharrisonwk | is git in debian yet ;) |
| 12:19.49 | tarzeau | asg: really? |
| 12:19.49 | asg | omer: sarge is fine |
| 12:19.49 | tzafrir_laptop | units(1) gives me a nice currency convertor ('units USD 10GBP' to convert pounds to dollars). But is there a way to get up-to-date exchange rates database for it? |
| 12:19.57 | peterS | Crasp: and 'lsusb' to see what devices the kernel knows about hanging off your USB busses (including the root hub for each port or pair of ports) |
| 12:20.01 | asg | tarzeau: yes, he lived just around the corner from him. |
| 12:20.06 | directhex|work | peterS, pah. slap on a vapchill & shou dhould be getting 2.5Ghz. with certain steppings of mice, anyway |
| 12:20.07 | omer | is one cd (sarge 1) enough to installing? |
| 12:20.09 | tzafrir_laptop | Or any other convinient software? |
| 12:20.15 | asg | tarzeau: my Uncle is broke now so he doesn't play with him anymore ;) |
| 12:20.16 | linoleum | hey, is it better skippy or expocity? |
| 12:20.19 | directhex|work | omer, yes |
| 12:20.24 | asg | linoleum: try them both, you decided |
| 12:20.24 | jetscreamer | yes omer |
| 12:20.28 | asg | s/ed/d/ |
| 12:20.30 | asg | bah |
| 12:20.32 | omer | ok thanks |
| 12:20.47 | linoleum | asg: how can I install expocity under debian?? is there some sources for deb package? |
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| 12:20.54 | anacaona | Guerin: sorry, I'm using a trendnet TEW-226PC, which uses theRealtek RTL8180L chipset. |
| 12:20.55 | asg | linoleum: not a clue. /msg dpkg search |
| 12:20.58 | peterS | directhex|work: with monitors not bothering to refresh faster than 120 Hz or so, and human eyes not able to directly detect movement faster than maybe 1/3 of that, having your mouse send status updates to the OS at faster than 500 Hz doesn't seem all that useful (: |
| 12:21.04 | asg | !directhex |
| 12:21.05 | dpkg | ...is to sound as peterS is to peripherals |
| 12:21.05 | anacaona | its listed on ndiskwrapper as a compatible card |
| 12:21.08 | tzafrir_laptop | omer, one cd is even more than enough. the netinst should be enough if downloading a full CD takes too much. |
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| 12:21.13 | directhex|work | peterS, tell that to the CS players |
| 12:21.17 | Guerin | anacaona: no idea |
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| 12:21.33 | anacaona | and with the debian base install when i put it in the slot it recognizes it as a realtek pcmicia card |
| 12:21.36 | peterS | directhex|work: I know, I know. they have no concept of when higher specs are useful and when they're not (: |
| 12:21.48 | jethro | cs is history |
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| 12:22.10 | element14 | !cs |
| 12:22.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cs is computer science Czechs are primitiveS! |
| 12:22.24 | jetscreamer | counter strike |
| 12:22.26 | jethro | dpkg: cs is also countert strike |
| 12:22.26 | dpkg | okay, jethro |
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| 12:22.37 | jethro | dpkg: cs =~s/tert/ter/ |
| 12:22.40 | da4n1 | what file/command can i set computer name domain etc? |
| 12:22.40 | jetscreamer | TAB! |
| 12:22.46 | jethro | hello jetscreamer |
| 12:22.48 | peterS | cs =~ s/ Czechs are primitiveS!/ |
| 12:22.53 | asg | da4n1: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 12:22.54 | directhex|work | peterS, well considering officially counterstrike needs a p133 with 32mb ram and a 2d card... |
| 12:22.57 | peterS | !cs =~ s/ Czechs are primitiveS!/ |
| 12:22.57 | dpkg | peterS: what are you talking about? |
| 12:23.03 | peterS | !cs =~ s/ Czechs are primitiveS!// |
| 12:23.03 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 12:23.07 | jethro | dpkg: cs =~ s/tert/ter/ |
| 12:23.07 | dpkg | jethro: OK |
| 12:23.09 | jetscreamer | cs is still very popular |
| 12:23.15 | tzafrir_laptop | da4n1, there isn't really a command for that |
| 12:23.24 | jethro | because most of cs players can't afford decent hardware to play cs source |
| 12:23.28 | jethro | hah |
| 12:23.28 | directhex|work | or a p120, 24mb ram, and an 8mb voodoo1-class 3d accelerator |
| 12:23.38 | directhex|work | 4mb, sorry |
| 12:23.43 | asg | directhex|work: that's my gateway box ;) |
| 12:23.50 | peterS | directhex|work: a rather long-lasting game, then |
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| 12:24.02 | directhex|work | asg, your gateway box has a 4mb voodoo1-class 3d accelerator? |
| 12:24.10 | tzafrir_laptop | IIRC you need to set it in /etc/hostname *and* in /etc/hosts *and* in /etc/mailhost |
| 12:24.11 | renegad3 | . |
| 12:24.13 | directhex|work | peterS, yeah. like minesweeper. |
| 12:24.15 | Crasp | peterS: lscpi line has syntax errors in it :/ |
| 12:24.21 | tzafrir_laptop | and run hostname manually |
| 12:24.33 | peterS | Crasp: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 12:24.36 | Crasp | peterS: lsusb returns nothing |
| 12:24.44 | peterS | Crasp: don't know what I said before, maybe I put an extra ' somewhere |
| 12:24.54 | Crasp | peterS: yeah that was it ;) |
| 12:25.05 | asg | directhex|work: 0000:00:0e.0 VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA] (32 meg card no less.) |
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| 12:25.13 | peterS | Crasp: well, my line works here |
| 12:25.19 | Crasp | peterS: the lscpi actually sas OHCI/OHCI/EHCI |
| 12:25.37 | tzafrir_laptop | so you all look at web sites when you need currency rates? Noone has yet automated the process? |
| 12:25.40 | Crasp | let me check my kernel config :) |
| 12:25.42 | peterS | Crasp: right, so you have two OHCI (USB 1.1) controllers, probably meaning 4 ports, and an EHCI controller that sits on top of them |
| 12:25.46 | directhex|work | asg, bah, you win |
| 12:25.50 | directhex|work | sorry, "moo, you win" |
| 12:26.18 | jetscreamer | the bot has a currency plugin, and you can d/l some web thing from http://.xe.com iirc |
| 12:26.27 | asg | directhex|work: actually, I forgot I had that card. I was looking for it for work the other day. Guess I found it ;) |
| 12:26.31 | Crasp | peterS: yep, you are correct |
| 12:26.38 | Crasp | peterS: i have OHCI compiled into my kernel as well |
| 12:26.43 | peterS | Crasp: oh, ok (: |
| 12:26.55 | directhex|work | hum, i was off by a bit. http://half-life.sierra.com/cindex.html#requirements |
| 12:26.59 | kneet | What's the correct name of the kernel module to load for alsa-oss emulation ? Can't find it in /lib/modules :/ |
| 12:27.08 | peterS | kneet: snd-pcm-oss |
| 12:27.12 | kneet | thx |
| 12:27.13 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 12:27.13 | dpkg | methinks alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 12:27.25 | directhex|work | why bork? |
| 12:27.31 | Crasp | by the way, is there any benefit for switching from xfree86 to x.org? |
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| 12:27.43 | jetscreamer | cuz i only need to know that when alsa is borked |
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| 12:27.47 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 12:27.52 | Crasp | except for the fact that there will be no new releases for xfree86 :) |
| 12:27.56 | peterS | Crasp: small benefits here and there. slightly updated driver support for newish cards. a few bells and whistles |
| 12:28.02 | jetscreamer | also it's what the d-i installer used to bork |
| 12:28.05 | peterS | Crasp: better support for things like exposé (: |
| 12:28.11 | jetscreamer | on a regular basis |
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| 12:28.14 | Crasp | peterS: hmm i'll have a look at it, i just bought a superduperuber nv6600 :) |
| 12:28.16 | benjamindees | Crasp, no, oh transparency I guess |
| 12:28.42 | directhex|work | Crasp, then you want to use nvidia's binary 3d driver anyway, which works on xfree86 |
| 12:28.45 | Crasp | my old tnt2 gave up last week :) |
| 12:28.46 | gypsymauro | there is a way to "freeze" the hotplug results without relaunch it at everyboot? or just launch it when hw composition changes? |
| 12:28.51 | directhex|work | Crasp, and you can't use composite and glx at the same time |
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| 12:28.55 | Crasp | directhex|work: hmm ok, it doesn't work with x.org? |
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| 12:29.10 | da4n1 | so if there isn't a command for changing domain, computername etc.... is it a host.conf or something like that? |
| 12:29.13 | Crasp | directhex|work: it's not that i was planning to use composit anyway :) |
| 12:29.18 | directhex|work | Crasp, nvidia-glx works on most things, but it's definitely not a reason to change to xorg |
| 12:29.21 | jetscreamer | yeah. compile the modules in and purge hotplug |
| 12:29.29 | mwilson | gypsymauro: Yes, that's the way it works in the first place. |
| 12:29.34 | directhex|work | Crasp, with nvidia-glx i had a 6800 on sarge happily |
| 12:29.44 | peterS | da4n1: /etc/hostname, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/hosts |
| 12:29.49 | Crasp | is there any special reason why debian isn't on x.org anyway? |
| 12:29.54 | jethro | !xorg |
| 12:29.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. Ask yebian for help, he offered. |
| 12:30.06 | Crasp | ah ok :) |
| 12:30.11 | jetscreamer | crasp, waiting for sarge to go gold iirc |
| 12:30.14 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 12:30.16 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 12:30.29 | jetscreamer | damn tabbuddy :) |
| 12:30.30 | gypsymauro | mwilson: uhm I don't think that or maybe my configurations it's messed up 'cause every boot I c a lot of "already loaded module.." |
| 12:30.32 | mwilson | I there any special reason why Debian should be on x.org anyway? |
| 12:30.38 | Crasp | well sarge has been about to go gold for oever quite a while now ;) |
| 12:30.44 | mwilson | gypsymauro: Yes, so? |
| 12:30.44 | citral | mwilson: it's so "in" |
| 12:30.45 | jethro | mwilson: to behave like other distros? |
| 12:30.55 | jetscreamer | xorg is a new drug |
| 12:30.58 | QU | whats the meaning of that audit: messages in dmesg output? |
| 12:31.02 | Crasp | unstable never disspointed me so far |
| 12:31.03 | jethro | mwilson: what's the english name when one behaves like a sheep? |
| 12:31.07 | peterS | Crasp: the reason is that by the time x.org was released, sarge was at a point where people thought it was much safer to finish polishing xfree86 4.3.0 rather than cause instability for the next few months by switching |
| 12:31.13 | jetscreamer | yes we must conform to and catch up to ubuntu |
| 12:31.13 | SoloFlyer | mmm new drugs is it an upper or a downer |
| 12:31.14 | kneet | alsa oss module worked - I wonder about the aoss app - does that work properly (udev is in the picture here - so I have no /dev/dsp without the kernel module) - is aoss better? Just been reading the apt-cache show for the alsa-oss package |
| 12:31.19 | citral | transparency there, transparency everywhere |
| 12:31.25 | Crasp | peterS: ah i understand |
| 12:31.25 | peterS | Crasp: of course the sarge release dragged on long enough that this probably wouldn't have been a problem. but. |
| 12:31.28 | MobyTurbo | jethro: New Zealander |
| 12:31.32 | Crasp | what happened to the "frozen" concept anyway? |
| 12:31.39 | Crasp | what we used to have in 2.x |
| 12:31.42 | gypsymauro | mwilson: doesn't seems a clean behaviour |
| 12:31.45 | jethro | MobyTurbo: I don't think so |
| 12:31.47 | jm_ | it still applies |
| 12:31.52 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork is also apt-get install alsa-base |
| 12:31.52 | peterS | Crasp: sarge will freeze Real Soon Now, actually |
| 12:31.53 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 12:32.05 | Crasp | peterS: ah, that's about time! :) |
| 12:32.05 | benjamindees | peterS, no, it would, unless Sarge lasts another year |
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| 12:32.33 | mwilson | gypsymauro: If you say so. |
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| 12:33.23 | gypsymauro | mwilson: I'm trying to understand.. |
| 12:33.23 | Crasp | well i'll just stick with xfree untill sarge has gone gold and it's being implemented in sid |
| 12:33.34 | benjamindees | in fact, that guy talking about his machine mysteriously rebooting earlier with Ubuntu; that was probably caused by xorg |
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| 12:33.48 | benjamindees | you don't want it |
| 12:33.59 | peterS | Crasp: x.org is being ported to debian already. but it won't be released for sid until post-sarge. this keeps it quite easy to make additional xfree86 releases for sarge if need be |
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| 12:34.16 | peterS | well, FSVO 'quite easy'. the term doesn't go well with XFree86 in any case |
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| 12:34.43 | Crasp | peterS: well i don't think there's gonna be much changes in xfree leave out some bugfixes perhaps |
| 12:35.05 | peterS | Crasp: you discount the possibility of security bugs being discovered. xfree86 doesn't have anything close to a perfect security record in the past |
| 12:35.15 | jetscreamer | !combat |
| 12:35.19 | directhex|work | i don;t mind updates to x in sarge. i mind the fact that a minor change to one text file on one xfree86 package means a 100mb download of all xfree86 packages |
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| 12:35.31 | Crasp | peterS: i know, but generally local exploits leave me pretty cold |
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| 12:35.38 | jetscreamer | dpkg, combat is the best damn roach killer money can buy afaik |
| 12:35.38 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 12:35.50 | peterS | Crasp: nevertheless, debian issues updates for even local-only stuff |
| 12:35.56 | Crasp | peterS: i know :) |
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| 12:36.54 | benjamindees | speaking of, what's the deal with the kernel in Woody? does anyone know? |
| 12:36.56 | peterS | Crasp: unlike say WinNT, where a design flaw has been known for *many years* which allows anyone to root the box if any system-privilege apps (like a virus scanner gui module) are running on your local gui console |
| 12:37.28 | peterS | Crasp: Microsoft's response? the local desktop doesn't and can't enforce security boundaries, so SOL |
| 12:37.39 | Crasp | peterS: yeah i know ;) |
| 12:37.44 | mwilson | directhex|work: Isn't it wonderful, then, that whether or not to download those changes is entirely in your control? |
| 12:37.56 | Crasp | peterS: tho at some point i can't completely disagree with them either |
| 12:38.21 | Crasp | peterS: if somebody can access your pc locally they could as well "hack" it with a hammer and a chainsaw |
| 12:38.49 | peterS | Crasp: there's something to their logic, for sure. and it's not like X11 enforces any security boundaries either. it's not the same situation but it's in the same ballpark |
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| 12:38.54 | Crasp | peterS: nevertheless, people PAID for it, so they should have support |
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| 12:39.36 | peterS | Crasp: also, with windows terminal server, "on a local gui console" doesn't really just mean "local" |
| 12:39.53 | Crasp | benjamindees: if you have any work experience you would probably know how hard it is to have everything smooth and perfect in a company |
| 12:40.07 | peterS | Crasp: so, make sure you don't have any system-privileged popup windows on your windows terminal server logins |
| 12:40.10 | benjamindees | Crasp, too well |
| 12:40.26 | Crasp | benjamindees: cause i've been working for serveral companies, and i've never seen a company that has everything running perfect and smoothly |
| 12:40.36 | Crasp | benjamindees: it's just where you put your priorities |
| 12:41.17 | Crasp | benjamindees: since microsoft is commercial they can make more money out of a new product that will be bought by millions then losing some angry customers cause they didn't get a local security update |
| 12:41.24 | benjamindees | Crasp, I'm always amazed that the more people doing a task, the more likely it's just completely fscked up |
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| 12:41.48 | Crasp | benjamindees: besides that windows users tend to be pc literates and they don't even know about it and microsoft abuses that |
| 12:42.06 | jetscreamer | s/lit/illit |
| 12:42.09 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.11 | Crasp | eh yeah :) |
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| 12:43.06 | jetscreamer | i love microsoft! (windows xp + internet + teenagers == job security) |
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| 12:43.44 | Crasp | i wouldn't like that job :) |
| 12:43.57 | benjamindees | heh, that's what I was thinking :p |
| 12:43.58 | Crasp | unless you don't mean supporting all the clueless people in the world :p |
| 12:44.19 | jetscreamer | heh run spyware remover anti virus and restore from backup when needed... |
| 12:44.37 | Crasp | i couldn't do that for 2 days :/ |
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| 12:44.58 | jetscreamer | and charge out the ass for repeats after you've told them how not to have to call you :) |
| 12:45.19 | jetscreamer | i can almost do it from home... |
| 12:45.22 | directhex|work | no antispyware app works right anymore |
| 12:45.35 | element14 | write one and sell for big $ |
| 12:45.36 | directhex|work | ad-aware has ~50% detection/removal rate. how useful is that? |
| 12:45.55 | jetscreamer | regedit baybee |
| 12:46.04 | jetscreamer | very painful though |
| 12:46.20 | petemc | preventative measures are better |
| 12:46.29 | SoloFlyer | jetscreamer fdisk is a better solution that regedit |
| 12:46.32 | jetscreamer | heh i screwed up one box cuz i got tired of regediting and got sloppy |
| 12:46.34 | benjamindees | I had a windows system that I ran adaware on, it removed some things, next thing I knew it was missing a boot sector :( |
| 12:46.38 | directhex|work | petemc is spot on |
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| 12:46.46 | Crasp | directhex|work: there is frontend called hitman pro that is basically some sort of giant macro that downloads 4 or 5 antispyware tools and lets them run automatically for you |
| 12:46.52 | jetscreamer | SoloFlyer: that's the restore from backup option... after a low level format |
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| 12:47.29 | Crasp | i've pondered for years about my parents pc |
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| 12:47.35 | SoloFlyer | i have come across a few really bad spyware/viruss recently that have been EXTREMLY hard to remove |
| 12:47.35 | Crasp | and i still haven't found the ideal solution |
| 12:47.40 | jetscreamer | and at 40-60 hr avg, i can live with it |
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| 12:48.00 | benjamindees | the 'rents are getting a P200 with nothing but Debian and Konqueror as soon as I get around to it |
| 12:48.03 | Crasp | either you let them do anything with the pc that they want and they call you every week cause their pc is full of spyware again |
| 12:48.04 | directhex|work | i like the spyware which replaces winsock, and leaves a mnachine incapable of tcp/ip access if you remove it |
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| 12:48.12 | Crasp | or you refuse them installation rights as windows calls it |
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| 12:48.19 | Crasp | and they call you every week cause they need some application installed |
| 12:48.23 | jetscreamer | or you lock it down and they cry a lot |
| 12:48.33 | directhex|work | windows can never be effectively locked down |
| 12:48.38 | Crasp | there is no solution :/ |
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| 12:48.49 | jetscreamer | well... not in any useful kind of way |
| 12:49.05 | Crasp | directhex|work: well for my parents i can already lock them down from the internet if i remove the firefox icon from their desktop ;) |
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| 12:49.06 | jetscreamer | i do like group policy though |
| 12:49.09 | benjamindees | two words: web services |
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| 12:49.37 | benjamindees | if they can't find it online, for free, they don't get it :) |
| 12:49.45 | trym | how do I make use of my maxtor external disk ? |
| 12:49.50 | directhex|work | plug it in \o/ |
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| 12:50.06 | trym | haha |
| 12:50.08 | trym | I have.. |
| 12:50.10 | trym | what else? |
| 12:50.16 | Crasp | trym: how did you plug it in? |
| 12:50.17 | jetscreamer | mount it? |
| 12:50.30 | Crasp | trym: is it usb? scsi? firewire? |
| 12:50.34 | trym | Crasp: usb :) |
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| 12:50.39 | trym | just need to know where in /dev to look |
| 12:50.54 | Crasp | trym: you need scsi support in your kernel and support for mass storage devices |
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| 12:51.02 | trym | crasp: I think I have that |
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| 12:51.07 | Crasp | trym: i think dmesg will tell you that |
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| 12:51.25 | trym | ive got some usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1732 like messages |
| 12:51.31 | Crasp | trym: usually it picks a random /dev/sd |
| 12:51.43 | Crasp | trym: well on top there is a scsi device |
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| 12:52.18 | Crasp | trym: try dmesg |grep '/dev/sd' |
| 12:52.22 | benjamindees | something should show up in dmesg when you plug it in |
| 12:52.35 | trym | crasp: the problem is shorewall has flooded my dmesg |
| 12:52.47 | benjamindees | !dance |
| 12:52.49 | trym | and Im at a remote location right now |
| 12:52.53 | Crasp | trym: grep '/dev/sd' /var/log/syslog |
| 12:52.59 | jetscreamer | grep |
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| 12:53.02 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:53.28 | greycat | Crasp: "dmesg | grep ^sd" might be useful, though. |
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| 12:53.44 | Crasp | greycat: i'm not any good with regular expressions so i try to keep it simple ;) |
| 12:53.46 | jetscreamer | u-haul want to know: where will U go today |
| 12:53.58 | trym | crasp: how do I check whether I have mass storage support etc? |
| 12:54.09 | Crasp | trym: you use make menuconfig in your kernel source dir |
| 12:54.12 | Capkirk | just made a 2.6.8 kernel for my newly upgrade sarge box when i did dpkg -i kernel_image.deb i get these errors : |
| 12:54.15 | Capkirk | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.8-xxxxx/kernel/drivers/net/8139too.ko |
| 12:54.18 | trym | crap.. gotta download the source then |
| 12:54.18 | Capkirk | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.8-xxxxx/kernel/drivers/net/eepro100.ko |
| 12:54.27 | petemc | trym: try and use a device |
| 12:54.32 | Capkirk | do i need to install modutils to boot 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 12:54.37 | greycat | Capkirk: no. |
| 12:54.39 | trym | petemc: I tried catting all sd* devices.. all seem inactive |
| 12:54.43 | jetscreamer | modprobe the modules trym.... try modconf. see also lsmod |
| 12:54.56 | petemc | trym: catting? why not try mounting? |
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| 12:55.19 | Crasp | sometimes devfs can be a charm |
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| 12:55.32 | Capkirk | greycat: i should be running sarge now thats why im abit puzzle about the errormessages? |
| 12:55.38 | Aronofsky | hi everybody |
| 12:55.58 | Aronofsky | litlle question , i got a ssh server with no Xserver on it , what do i need to do X11 forwarding ? |
| 12:56.06 | trym | petemc: just to check if they have an address linked to them? |
| 12:56.07 | directhex|work | !debian kernel image |
| 12:56.07 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 12:56.23 | trym | the maxtor does not show up in /proc/usb/devices - is that normal? |
| 12:56.26 | greycat | Capkirk: booting a kernel requires *nothing* other than the kernel and a way for the BIOS to see it. |
| 12:56.31 | Coke | Aronofsky: x forwarding must be set to yes (sshd_config) and xlibs |
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| 12:56.32 | Crasp | hmm |
| 12:56.36 | Crasp | i'm a happy 1% user :) |
| 12:56.38 | greycat | Capkirk: *using* a 2.6.x kernel requires module-init-tools, not modutils. |
| 12:56.59 | petemc | trym: seems an odd, unreliable way - check dmesg, cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 12:57.05 | greycat | Aronofsky: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 12:57.12 | greycat | Coke: and xauth(1) |
| 12:57.15 | BadMan | well hell... sarge net-inst of was done downloading this morning,, starting the install process.. seems that there is no longer a r128 module build into the stock xfree86... |
| 12:57.18 | Capkirk | greycat: ah yes that was what i meant sorry |
| 12:57.31 | trym | petemc: Attached devices: none |
| 12:57.33 | BadMan | using vesa now will try ati later... |
| 12:57.41 | Aronofsky | so , xlib, xauth, sshx ? |
| 12:57.42 | petemc | trym: do you have it plugged in? |
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| 12:58.10 | benjamindees | BadMan, the x driver or the kernel module? |
| 12:58.15 | Coke | Aronofsky: there is no sshx, you enable the x forwarding by configuration |
| 12:58.16 | Crasp | trym: my guess is that you don't have support for usb mass storage devices |
| 12:58.30 | Crasp | trym: you could try a module |
| 12:58.39 | Crasp | trym: tho i don't know what name it would have, i try to avoid modules :) |
| 12:58.44 | trym | ok what module is that? |
| 12:58.45 | trym | hehe ok |
| 12:58.56 | Aronofsky | Coke, and what package ? |
| 12:59.04 | Coke | Aronofsky: you already listed them |
| 12:59.25 | Crasp | trym: what kernel you use? |
| 12:59.35 | BadMan | so far the xdrvicer.. but its not done installing yet. |
| 12:59.47 | BadMan | it's kernel 2.6.8-1 I think |
| 12:59.54 | trym | crasp: 2.4.x |
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| 13:00.03 | Crasp | it's called |
| 13:00.08 | trym | crasP: 2.4.27-2-386 to be exact |
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| 13:00.22 | Crasp | insmod or modprobe usb-storage then |
| 13:00.28 | p30n | u guys prolly think im stupid but i need to ask u, how do i execute a *.c script ?? |
| 13:00.29 | directhex|work | BadMan, you used an old installer then? -1- kernels are deprecated |
| 13:00.30 | Crasp | and notice your dmesg/syslog |
| 13:00.35 | directhex|work | p30n, .c isn't a script |
| 13:00.41 | p30n | what is it then? |
| 13:00.42 | element14 | tcc ;-p |
| 13:00.43 | trym | it worked :) |
| 13:00.44 | trym | thanks |
| 13:00.47 | asg | p30n: C code |
| 13:00.55 | p30n | and how do i execute it ? |
| 13:00.56 | Crasp | p30n: c is programming language, you need to compile it |
| 13:00.58 | asg | p30n: you are supposed to compile it |
| 13:01.02 | p30n | ah |
| 13:01.16 | p30n | so something like gcc blabla ? |
| 13:01.20 | asg | p30n: yes |
| 13:01.22 | sanxiyn | yup |
| 13:01.23 | p30n | ok |
| 13:01.24 | p30n | thx |
| 13:01.41 | abel | does anyone know a good text irc client other than bitchx ? |
| 13:01.45 | asg | abel: irssi-text |
| 13:01.46 | Crasp | abel: irssi |
| 13:01.48 | sanxiyn | irssi |
| 13:01.53 | abel | thanks |
| 13:01.55 | directhex|work | abel, bitchx isn't a good irc client |
| 13:01.59 | greycat | did we mention irssi yet? |
| 13:02.02 | asg | greycat: yes |
| 13:02.08 | p30n | irssi |
| 13:02.11 | p30n | yes i love it |
| 13:02.11 | simonrvn | that *is* nice. they made the cropper have a darker background for the to be cropped section. nice idea |
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| 13:02.44 | BadMan | speaking of irssi, does it have a frontend? for kde or gnome? |
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| 13:02.52 | amorphix | hi guys |
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| 13:03.06 | asg | BadMan: apt-cache show irssi-text |
| 13:03.09 | peterS | BadMan: someone tried to write an X frontend (xirssi) but nothing particularly came of it |
| 13:03.09 | sanxiyn | (tcc -run something.c compiles and executes directly, by the way) |
| 13:03.13 | greycat | BadMan: xterm |
| 13:03.29 | Crasp | peterS: well that was to be expected :) |
| 13:03.32 | BadMan | ok, jsut wondering |
| 13:03.37 | sml | BadMan: seems those crashes were due to the kernel and not specifically the nvidia kernel module. |
| 13:03.44 | Crasp | peterS: tho i think there is xirssi |
| 13:03.52 | amorphix | anyone have anything bad to say about Compaq M700 or Compaq's in general? |
| 13:03.56 | BadMan | sml: sorry to hear that, did you upgrade your kernel then |
| 13:04.02 | sml | BadMan: i get random system freezes on 2.4.27-386 |
| 13:04.03 | peterS | Crasp: right. that's why the debian package irssi-text is called irssi-text. still, nothing much came of xirssi |
| 13:04.06 | directhex|work | amorphix, compaq are dead, swallowed by hp? |
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| 13:04.08 | benjamindees | does Compaq still exist? |
| 13:04.10 | sml | BadMan: yes, using a different kernel. |
| 13:04.26 | amorphix | you can still get batteries and parts cheaply tho |
| 13:04.28 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: I think it's now part of HP. |
| 13:04.40 | BadMan | sml: 2.6.X? or a different woody kernel? |
| 13:04.40 | amorphix | probably easier than Toshiba Portege 3440 |
| 13:04.49 | Crasp | irssi.org says: Debian testing or unstable: apt-get install irssi-snapshot and apt-get install xirssi |
| 13:04.49 | sml | BadMan: different 2.4.x. |
| 13:05.02 | Crasp | tho that _might_ be a bit outdated ;) |
| 13:05.07 | BadMan | really, need to move upto sarge and a 2.6 |
| 13:05.24 | BadMan | I guess I should have asked you about that yesterday.. |
| 13:05.35 | sanxiyn | Well, it seems xirssi is not in the archive. |
| 13:05.38 | amorphix | the specs are: Toshiba - P3-500/192MB/20GB/11" or Compaq - P3-600/384MB/12GB/13" |
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| 13:05.54 | amorphix | both same price..cant decide :-/ |
| 13:05.56 | sml | BadMan: well im using sarge but have only pulled through a few things from sid to get the nvidia driver working, which i really shouldn't have bothered with. |
| 13:05.57 | BadMan | amorphix: I would go with the Toshiba |
| 13:06.12 | amorphix | BadMan: the Toshiba looks far better is more impressive design wise |
| 13:06.19 | benjamindees | amorphix, laptops? |
| 13:06.24 | sml | BadMan: had i of used a custom kernel, make-kpkg and module-assistant i would have been fine. |
| 13:06.27 | amorphix | its my favourite, but im swayed by the Compaq's higher memory and faster CPU |
| 13:06.33 | amorphix | also bigger screen |
| 13:06.38 | BadMan | I really need a new laptop myself... |
| 13:06.39 | amorphix | binjamindees: ya |
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| 13:06.47 | sml | BadMan: my one is pissing me off do you want it ;) |
| 13:06.52 | takatumi | amorphix: I would go with the Compaq, my presario laptop works fine. (so far) |
| 13:06.57 | amorphix | :-) |
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| 13:07.13 | asg | amorphix: also, check user stories at tuxmobile.org for those models |
| 13:07.18 | BadMan | amorphix: thats understandable.. but compaqs do have a tendency to use alot of "crap" hardware, where as toshibaas used some descent stuff... |
| 13:07.26 | benjamindees | amorphix, I would check out the screen on the Compaq; some tend to go bad |
| 13:07.30 | amorphix | the Toshiba is 3/4 of an inch thick and the Compaq is 1.1 inch and twice as heavy, not that it matters much |
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| 13:08.01 | amorphix | BadMan: yes ive been reading about compaq and hardware failures |
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| 13:08.26 | amorphix | Toshiba has a Mobile Pentium CPU with super-cooling |
| 13:08.33 | takatumi | amorphix: the fans are noisy and temperature control are problematic on some. |
| 13:08.46 | amorphix | takatumi: Compaqs? |
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| 13:08.53 | tarzeau | takatumi! |
| 13:08.55 | takatumi | amorphix: yup. |
| 13:08.58 | amorphix | okay |
| 13:09.00 | takatumi | tarzeau! |
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| 13:09.06 | sml | BadMan: i remember when debian used to use a special tectra image for toshiba based installs. |
| 13:09.07 | asg | !group hug |
| 13:09.10 | sml | BadMan: used to own a toshy. |
| 13:09.17 | amorphix | i wonder if 13" and 11" displays would be such a big difference |
| 13:09.17 | takatumi | asg: ionman! |
| 13:09.20 | s-toned | if I want to update vim (sarge), apt-get wants to remove kde, if I try to remove vim, apt-get also wants to remove kde, why is that? |
| 13:09.26 | tarzeau | amorphix: i'd take any apple laptop |
| 13:09.31 | sml | s-toned: coz kde sucks. |
| 13:09.34 | amorphix | the Toshiba achieves 1024x768 in 11" |
| 13:09.38 | Crasp | s-toned: i think vim has nothing to do with that :) |
| 13:09.39 | sanxiyn | s-toned: APT's stupidness. |
| 13:09.40 | asg | takatumi: hi |
| 13:09.48 | takatumi | s-toned: I would say stick with vim and get rid of the cruft. |
| 13:09.49 | sanxiyn | Crasp: No, actually vim is the problem. |
| 13:09.56 | amorphix | tarzeau hehe i did look at Apple Powerbooks but they seem pricey and older technology |
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| 13:10.01 | sanxiyn | Crasp: vim maintainers decided to remove kvim, and kde metapackage pulls kvim. |
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| 13:10.24 | tarzeau | amorphix: you only want the x86 for windows, right? |
| 13:10.30 | sml | takatumi: i wouldnt mind one of them g4 thingy's |
| 13:10.30 | amorphix | tarzeau: yeah |
| 13:10.42 | simonrvn | i'd take a thinkpad with a ppc base |
| 13:10.45 | amorphix | tarzeau: i want to run dual boot, windows xp and debian with x |
| 13:11.05 | amorphix | thinpads are cheap but ive never keen on them visually |
| 13:11.09 | amorphix | *thinkpads |
| 13:11.11 | sanxiyn | s-toned: As "kde" is just a metapackage, it's fine to get it removed. |
| 13:11.40 | asg | amorphix: they are ugly has hell but stable and rugged. |
| 13:11.46 | amorphix | true |
| 13:11.53 | s-toned | sanxiyn: in that case I'll wait and have a cup of tea, or try with -s |
| 13:11.56 | sanxiyn | Dependency chain is: kde > kdeaddons > vimpart > kvim. |
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| 13:12.03 | amorphix | i once owned a thinkpad and the screen was very good, but the case is so plasticy and cheap |
| 13:12.11 | simonrvn | yeh, that's why. so ibm, when are you putting G4s in thinkpads? :) |
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| 13:12.48 | simonrvn | something tough, that can "take a beating" |
| 13:12.53 | benjamindees | they don't even support Linux on the thinkpads do they? |
| 13:12.57 | billyoc | ibm who? Didn't they sell the thinkpads off? |
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| 13:13.05 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 13:13.13 | takatumi | how do the bogomips of g4 and p4 compare? |
| 13:13.15 | BadMan | amorphix: well seems linux-laptop.org 's toshiba 3440 link is broken, and tuxmobile doesn't have one listed but both have a page listed for m700 |
| 13:13.17 | simonrvn | i thought they still made them |
| 13:13.24 | amorphix | BadMan: :-/ |
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| 13:14.02 | amorphix | ive seen people managed to put 2 other distros onto 3440's but one guy tried Debian and had problems with USB floppy |
| 13:14.11 | simonrvn | takatumi: they don't really compare, they're not calculated the same - or didn't used to be last time i checked. maybe they changed that for 2.6 |
| 13:14.32 | takatumi | simonrvn: I know it's bogus, but still... |
| 13:15.23 | s-toned | sanxiyn: so I'll lose kdeaddons |
| 13:15.26 | amorphix | damn i cant decide and time is running out |
| 13:15.50 | simonrvn | well, i get Calibrating delay loop... 602.11 BogoMIPS (lpj=301056) from dmesg |
| 13:16.05 | simonrvn | this an old g3/300 |
| 13:16.06 | amorphix | benjamindees :P |
| 13:16.06 | sanxiyn | s-toned: Not really... it won't remove packages installed by pulling kdeaddons, IIRC. It will just remove empty metapackage. |
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| 13:16.36 | BadMan | woohioo x is up and running lol all beit an ugly resolution its running |
| 13:16.53 | sanxiyn | I think there was NEWS file when upgrading vim, by the way. |
| 13:17.07 | simonrvn | yes |
| 13:17.32 | simonrvn | was also mentioned in the changelog |
| 13:17.52 | s-toned | sanxiyn: I did it, nothing bad happened, thanks for encouraging :-) |
| 13:17.53 | takatumi | hmm, now that I look at it, yes the calculation for bogomips seems to have changed in .11 2.6.8 "Calibrating delay loop... 5242.88 BogoMIPS" 2.6.11 "Calibrating delay loop... 1187.84 BogoMIPS (lpj=593920)" |
| 13:18.21 | greycat | I should write a kernel patch that makes bogomips spit out a random number. |
| 13:18.24 | simonrvn | seems like double |
| 13:18.28 | takatumi | greycat: hah! |
| 13:18.32 | simonrvn | greycat: haha :) |
| 13:19.02 | Crasp | takatumi: well my 2.6.11 displays the same as my 2.6.7 |
| 13:19.07 | simonrvn | double the MHz, then multiply by some random number between 0 and 1 |
| 13:19.22 | Crasp | bogomips are bogus :) |
| 13:19.25 | benjamindees | tell people to run it multiple times and average the scores |
| 13:19.48 | simonrvn | i'd apply that patch just for kicks |
| 13:19.49 | asg | greycat: or find a way to have it start decreasing so we can tell people not to reboot so often |
| 13:19.56 | Crasp | i remember a few years ago they did something with it and all of a sudden bogomips were like the formula simonrvn just told :) |
| 13:19.57 | takatumi | Crasp: I too remember the same (5242.88) on the first 2.6.11 I had compiled. |
| 13:20.05 | simonrvn | hehe, asg |
| 13:20.07 | Crasp | takatumi: i'm on 2.6.11.5 |
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| 13:20.13 | sanxiyn | So, after BitKeeper incident, it seems Kernel people are working on something to replace it. |
| 13:20.26 | takatumi | Crasp: I am still on the vanilla .11 |
| 13:20.35 | asg | simonrvn: there's a nice argument on -devel right now about someone ITPing sdate |
| 13:20.47 | simonrvn | sdate? |
| 13:20.48 | sanxiyn | September that never ended... |
| 13:20.57 | simonrvn | ah |
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| 13:21.07 | simonrvn | heh |
| 13:21.08 | takatumi | sanxiyn: no clear solution yet, looks like they'll end up with emails with funny headers. |
| 13:21.11 | asg | simonrvn: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg00516.html |
| 13:21.25 | sanxiyn | takatumi: Ah, I mean what they call "git". |
| 13:22.01 | simonrvn | that's cute |
| 13:22.29 | sanxiyn | takatumi: If you mean this: http://linux.yyz.us/patch-format.html, this isn't really new... |
| 13:22.30 | simonrvn | oh poo, already some lame no-sense-of-humour comment :| |
| 13:23.04 | element14 | "git" is "real". |
| 13:23.09 | BadMan | well ati driver for rage 128 no good... |
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| 13:23.22 | sanxiyn | takatumi: But such system based on mail (ab)using Linus's INBOX is just interim solution, if I understood correctly. |
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| 13:23.24 | zherlock_ | How do I configure network for debian? |
| 13:23.33 | asg | zherlock_: /msg dpkg faq |
| 13:23.45 | sanxiyn | element14: Oh tell me. What is git and what does it do? |
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| 13:23.57 | asg | !git |
| 13:23.57 | takatumi | sanxiyn: I know, just being sarcastic. (or tried) |
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| 13:24.42 | sml | how do i find out what kernel module my pcmcia card is using? lsmod | grep pcn et_cs ? |
| 13:24.49 | simonrvn | at least someone posted a perl script to emulate it |
| 13:24.52 | sml | oops i meant lsmod | grep pcnet_cs |
| 13:25.03 | asg | simonrvn: yep |
| 13:25.06 | element14 | it's some tool linus wrote in the last few days... |
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| 13:25.23 | PumpkinPie | anyone use sys call track ? |
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| 13:25.33 | simonrvn | good point about the LD_PRELOAD though |
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| 13:26.20 | BadMan | what color depths does vga support? |
| 13:26.27 | BadMan | and resolution? |
| 13:26.43 | sml | anyone know how i tell what module my nic uses from a running system? 2.4.x finds my card, another 2.4.x doesn't and i want to find out what module is missing. |
| 13:26.47 | BadMan | will it support say 16bit and 1024x768? |
| 13:26.51 | asg | BadMan: try vesa instead of vga for your X config |
| 13:26.55 | sml | BadMan: nvidia works pcmcia doesn't lol |
| 13:27.01 | andrek | yes badblody |
| 13:27.05 | andrek | BadMan* |
| 13:27.09 | s-toned | there's a meaning for git in foundry, isn't it |
| 13:27.09 | jm_ | sml: /proc/interrupts usually helps |
| 13:27.11 | p30n | ok, question, i got 2 *.c files that are my "utilites" and i need to run them now n then, and my docs says "best to run em from crontab" could someone point me in the right direction |
| 13:27.12 | p30n | pls |
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| 13:27.26 | Crasp | p30n: man crontab |
| 13:27.28 | Crasp | p30n: crontab -e |
| 13:27.36 | Crasp | p30n: might try man 5 crontab as well |
| 13:28.04 | asg | p30n: and it won't work for toffee unless those *.c files were compiled to produce binary executables which your run. |
| 13:28.08 | takatumi | sml: pcmcia_core, pcmcia and yenta_socket are what's loaded here. |
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| 13:28.40 | simonrvn | asg: sure feels like that sometimes here. though we "just" have sunday |
| 13:28.42 | BadMan | ok what color depths/resolution will vesa run? My wife won't be playing games on it.. just internet and work stuff... |
| 13:28.55 | asg | simonrvn: heh |
| 13:29.00 | element14 | !sd |
| 13:29.00 | dpkg | It's always Sunday in #debian!!! |
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| 13:29.31 | simonrvn | don't remind me... |
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| 13:29.37 | streuner_ | wtf |
| 13:29.43 | streuner_ | !factinfo sd |
| 13:29.44 | dpkg | sd -- created by bob2 <foobar@203.31.48.141> at Mon Feb 17 13:48:50 2003 (785 days); it has been requested 14 times, last by element14, 43s ago. |
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| 13:30.05 | simonrvn | s/olddog/oldfart/ |
| 13:30.18 | streuner_ | haha |
| 13:30.21 | BadMan | umm, I dont rember selcting gnome as the default desktop enviroment... |
| 13:30.45 | takatumi | jm_: I don't see anything pcmcia related in /proc/interrupts. What should I be looking for? |
| 13:30.57 | simonrvn | takatumi: foot bullets |
| 13:32.11 | takatumi | simonrvn: these? "NMI: 0" "LOC: 0" "ERR: 0" "MIS: 0" |
| 13:32.11 | streuner_ | !window manager |
| 13:32.11 | dpkg | from memory, window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 13:32.24 | streuner_ | BadMan: there are alternatives right there |
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| 13:32.29 | simonrvn | takatumi: hehe |
| 13:32.36 | jm_ | takatumi: name of the module, there's also /proc/ioports |
| 13:33.06 | BadMan | streuner_: I meant that actual desktop I selected gdm, but tiof course defaults to "Gnome"... have it set now for default of kde |
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| 13:33.36 | adjacent | any idea how to support VLAN's over wireless? on a per customer basis w/o requiring client software or setup beyond DHCP? |
| 13:33.45 | silverwolf | What can have happend when i get this sort of error from dpkg: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 2 package `modconf': |
| 13:33.45 | silverwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.45 | silverwolf | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 13:33.52 | streuner_ | helix: what's up? |
| 13:34.08 | helix | uh, nothing |
| 13:34.23 | streuner_ | silverwolf: what does BTS say? |
| 13:34.26 | simonrvn | hey girlfriend *snaps fingers 3 times moving hand back and forth* |
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| 13:34.33 | silverwolf | BTS? |
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| 13:34.54 | streuner_ | !tell silverwolf about bts |
| 13:35.00 | takatumi | jm_: I probably have those compiled in, have this in /proc/ioports 0100-013f : pcmcia_socket0 |
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| 13:35.20 | sml | takatumi: i also 8390 5280 0 [pcnet_cs] |
| 13:35.20 | sml | takatumi: is that the driver ? |
| 13:35.30 | sml | s/i also/i also have |
| 13:35.34 | takatumi | sml: I am rusty on pcmcia stuff, it just worked here. |
| 13:35.35 | greycat | silverwolf: you can remove/rename the available file, then run "dselect update" to regenerate it |
| 13:35.48 | jm_ | takatumi: well I have never worked with PCMCIA stuff so I don't know what to look for, but it's probably similar to ISA/PCI stuff |
| 13:35.56 | sml | takatumi: well 2.4.27-2-386 works and 2.4.27-2-686 doesn't. |
| 13:35.59 | silverwolf | greycat, oki thanks :) That was what i needed |
| 13:36.08 | sml | boo hoo. |
| 13:36.21 | takatumi | jm_: I should read up on it. :) |
| 13:36.24 | silverwolf | hope it works |
| 13:36.34 | silverwolf | a pain not to install any programs at all |
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| 13:37.09 | silverwolf | WAY!!!! |
| 13:37.10 | silverwolf | Thanks |
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| 13:37.33 | takatumi | sml: I'm running 2.6, so wouldn't know. |
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| 13:37.39 | ricky_clarkson | (EE) SIS(0): [drm] SISDRIScreenInit failed (DRI version = 4.1.0, expected 3.0.x). Disabling DRI. |
| 13:37.51 | ricky_clarkson | So does that mean my drivers are for an older version of DRI? |
| 13:37.55 | SlayerXP | ricky_clarkson: which idiot bought SiS hardware? |
| 13:38.02 | ricky_clarkson | SlayerXP: Dunno. |
| 13:38.18 | BadMan | hmm seems the cmedia soundcard isn't detected by lspci.. scan time... |
| 13:38.27 | streuner_ | SlayerXP: it just runs fine here |
| 13:38.37 | Guerin | BadMan: snd_cmpci |
| 13:38.44 | simonrvn | Edis0n: very likely |
| 13:38.45 | Guerin | BadMan: or cmipci for oss |
| 13:38.55 | simonrvn | Edis0n: sorry, misfire on tab complete |
| 13:39.07 | simonrvn | EdibleText: very likely |
| 13:39.25 | ricky_clarkson | Tab, tab, tab, tab, FIRE! Oops |
| 13:39.28 | BadMan | Guerin: it' not listed under lspci or scanpci... |
| 13:39.54 | Guerin | so? |
| 13:39.59 | sml | takatumi: hrmmmmm seems that the 686 kernel image doesn't have support for yenta. doh! |
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| 13:40.09 | Guerin | try probing the module and see if it works |
| 13:40.15 | Guerin | (magically) |
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| 13:40.40 | zeke | hello i am a french thus Idoes not understand English very well but I would need help for lauching startx to starting . I is to try to configure xinitrc with exec idesk & and with (sleep 2;idesk &) |
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| 13:41.02 | LoRez | zeke: #debian-fr |
| 13:41.05 | streuner_ | zeke: do you use openbox? |
| 13:41.19 | ricky_clarkson | I read sleep 2;idesk & as "I sleep at my desk". |
| 13:41.23 | ricky_clarkson | I think I should go home. |
| 13:41.24 | DanC | hmm... I mostly use firefox, but some part of my gnome setup still uses epiphany; e.g. when I click on a .html file in evolution. Where does that setting live? |
| 13:41.28 | streuner_ | zeke: there are examples in openbox package |
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| 13:41.42 | zeke | enlightenmemt |
| 13:41.53 | streuner_ | zeke: take a look in the openbox package |
| 13:42.03 | zeke | ok think's |
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| 13:42.14 | ricky_clarkson | DanC: nautilus should be able to let you configure it, unless it's an evolution-specific problem. |
| 13:42.37 | takatumi | sml: either stick with the one that works, move to 2.6, or compile your own. |
| 13:42.41 | DanC | er... rather: when I click on a .html file in nautilus... |
| 13:42.47 | DanC | ... so how do I configure it with nautilus? |
| 13:42.50 | ricky_clarkson | DanC: Right-click on it. |
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| 13:43.18 | DanC | ok, which item in the right-click menu? |
| 13:43.27 | citral | WOW |
| 13:43.28 | ricky_clarkson | DanC: Dunno, list them. I uninstalled nautilus. |
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| 13:43.36 | DanC | ah... "open with" |
| 13:43.36 | ricky_clarkson | Probably Open With. |
| 13:43.40 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 13:43.43 | Martins | oi |
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| 13:44.00 | Martins | eiiii |
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| 13:44.27 | BadMan | well, I guess I can shutdown her computer and open it to find out exactly what car is in there(prolly been in there 3-4 years hehe may even be isa..... |
| 13:44.28 | tshortall | what package contains unix2dos? |
| 13:44.30 | DanC | phpht. surely I could have figured that out myself. Thanks for another set of "eyes", ricky_clarkson . |
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| 13:44.35 | asg | tshortall: /msg dpkg unix2dos |
| 13:44.36 | Guerin | kernel panic: fatal exception in interrupt \n In interrupt handler - not syncing |
| 13:44.42 | Guerin | fun |
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| 13:45.00 | FieldySnuts | I have a network card covered by the tg3 kernel driver (broadcom). It's a gigabit NIC. Kernel messages show it negotiates at 1000Mbps, the light on the NIC says that, and the light on the switch (gigabit) says that. However mii-tool shows 100, and transfer speeds are definately the same as 100Mbps. any ideas? |
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| 13:45.05 | tshortall | ahhh. good bot |
| 13:45.08 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: the \n was actually printed? |
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| 13:45.17 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: nope |
| 13:45.21 | FieldySnuts | oh okay, good hhe |
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| 13:45.28 | petemc | FieldySnuts: ethtool |
| 13:45.41 | FieldySnuts | petemc: i'll look |
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| 13:46.00 | petemc | FieldySnuts: im using same module, at 1000mbps |
| 13:46.12 | BadMan | FieldySnuts: maybe theres a parameter youneed to pass toi t to get the gigabit operation when the module is loaded? |
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| 13:46.20 | bris | salut all |
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| 13:46.42 | FieldySnuts | oh sorry I said module, it's compiled in. |
| 13:46.54 | FieldySnuts | hopefully not though, i don't allow modules (server) |
| 13:47.10 | FieldySnuts | petemc: yeah i'll check out ethtool thanks |
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| 13:47.51 | EdibleText | !test |
| 13:47.51 | dpkg | Yes, edibletext, you're still online. |
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| 13:48.47 | zigkill | Do anyone know how one is supposed to keep the kernel-image packages updated? That is, should it be necessary to add to sources.list servers beside security.debian.org? The ones I see available are vulnerable, and the BTS has old outstanding bug reports on them. (dist: stable) |
| 13:49.18 | BadMan | ok, it is an isa card, I am going to assume that since it's isa, there is likely "no" or "little" support for isa in the kernel now.... |
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| 13:50.09 | FieldySnuts | petemc: weird. everything looks right. the only thing Ic an think of now is this is the second NIC, and the first one is the default route. but i FTP'd to the address of the second (gigabit) card, and i still only get 100Mbps speeds. maybe it's actually going back out that first (100Mbps) card... |
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| 13:50.35 | FieldySnuts | eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 13:50.46 | FieldySnuts | which is gigabit yeah? i can't remember all that. |
| 13:50.58 | SerpentWolf | can someone help me with regards to the 'email notification' on ssh login... it always says 'no mail' so im assuming its checking the wrong places... |
| 13:50.59 | EdibleText | BadMan, ISA is supported. whether or not its supported in _Your_ kernel is a different matter |
| 13:50.59 | jm_ | it's 100Mbps |
| 13:51.00 | FieldySnuts | but ethtool and the kernel says 1000.... |
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| 13:51.05 | FieldySnuts | wth is going on |
| 13:51.16 | directhex|work | zigkill, which kernels specifically? |
| 13:51.37 | BadMan | ok, according to the chipset it's an ISA CMI8330A, but when I do lspci, or scanpci it doe not register... |
| 13:51.45 | zigkill | directhex|work: kernel-image-2.4.18 |
| 13:51.48 | EdibleText | BadMan, PCI! :) |
| 13:51.56 | EdibleText | BadMan, you want ISA |
| 13:52.08 | asg | SerpentWolf: that is configured in /etc/pam.d/ssh (check the docs for pam_mail to see if you can pass optional parameters, etc.) |
| 13:52.16 | BadMan | well tried lsisa and it foudn nothing take it there is a scanisa hehe |
| 13:52.23 | SerpentWolf | asg thanks m'lord. |
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| 13:52.38 | EdibleText | !isa |
| 13:52.38 | dpkg | it has been said that isa is (Industry Standard Adapter) The 8- and 16-bit original connectors used in PCs. They run at a bus speed of 8 MHz. You can plug ISA expansion cards into an ISA slot. Modems and sound cards are ISA cards due to their low bandwidth requirements. a piece of shit. |
| 13:53.15 | FieldySnuts | @win dpkg |
| 13:53.18 | ravenbird | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 13:53.31 | EdibleText | dpkg isapnp |
| 13:53.31 | dpkg | well, isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump |
| 13:53.47 | EdibleText | !tell BadMan about isapnp |
| 13:54.16 | BadMan | thx EdibleText |
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| 13:54.27 | crashbg | !sniff |
| 13:54.27 | dpkg | from memory, sniff is *wail* |
| 13:54.33 | edward__ | hi |
| 13:54.43 | EdibleText | I guess evil='a little bit of work' ;) |
| 13:54.58 | BadMan | man I got way to much power/watts/amps int his one room lol |
| 13:55.13 | p30n | quickie, how do i save in vim ? |
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| 13:55.16 | p30n | or vi |
| 13:55.22 | simonrvn | :w |
| 13:55.26 | p30n | thx |
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| 13:56.03 | BadMan | I never could get used to vi |
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| 13:56.18 | Rich33 | proftpd, when connecting it says socket conneting awaying logon crap, and delays about 5 seconds. Anyone know why it would be doing this and if it can be changed? kinda annoying somtimes when you just wanna log in fast to FTP and its delaying for no apparent reason |
| 13:56.40 | FieldySnuts | Rich33: it's probably got mod_delay enabled, which is a disaster. |
| 13:56.58 | FieldySnuts | i had clients being held up for up to 133 seconds |
| 13:57.05 | p30n | omg how do i get down to where i can write :w , it says INSERT there now |
| 13:57.12 | greycat | p30n: press ESC |
| 13:57.13 | FieldySnuts | in the end I recompiled the damn thing myself without mod_delay support (this was a while ago, you'll have to figure it out) |
| 13:58.35 | Rich33 | hmm |
| 13:58.35 | Rich33 | ok |
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| 14:02.49 | ecliptik | does anybody know how to make courier-imap be able to read md5 crypted passwords that are in my mysql data base? |
| 14:02.51 | BadMan | ok, well pnpdump ergisters the card now |
| 14:03.34 | ecliptik | i've tryied tons of stuff, but it sounds like courier-imap doesn't use the same routine as md5() mysql and php functions do to encrypt passwords |
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| 14:03.52 | EdibleText | dpkg, jumbo frames is "Jumbo frames" often mean 9000 bytes for Gigabit ethernet, but can refer to anything over 1500 bytes. see http://sd.wareonearth.com/~phil/jumbo.html |
| 14:03.53 | dpkg | okay, EdibleText |
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| 14:04.44 | si|vercat | are there any known problems with usb in sarge 2.6? occasionally booting halts when loading USB, and my comp locks up sometimes.. |
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| 14:05.10 | takatumi | si|vercat: is legacy USB support enabled in the BIOS? |
| 14:05.17 | si|vercat | takatumi: yes |
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| 14:05.28 | takatumi | si|vercat: try disabling it. |
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| 14:05.56 | si|vercat | takatumi: what is legacy support, exactly? :) |
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| 14:06.44 | takatumi | si|vercat: google. |
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| 14:07.10 | si|vercat | takatumi: I use usb keyboard and mouse though.. |
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| 14:07.27 | si|vercat | but they don't work outside the OS anyway :( |
| 14:07.38 | Rawplayer | rooooooooooooooooooot |
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| 14:08.15 | |ssssssssss| | sup niggers |
| 14:08.32 | |ssssssssss| | debian is the noob distro |
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| 14:08.38 | |ssssssssss| | later fags |
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| 14:08.47 | element14 | heh |
| 14:08.56 | simonrvn | thanks greycat |
| 14:09.03 | takatumi | gentoobie probably. |
| 14:09.09 | asg | we could use some more original trolls every once in a while |
| 14:09.14 | FieldySnuts | that was mature |
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| 14:09.25 | Expander | weird people |
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| 14:09.42 | simonrvn | i'm so imprssed by the maturity</sarcasm> |
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| 14:10.04 | greycat | it's gone now. get over it.... |
| 14:10.12 | EdibleText | I dont know if I would even consider that a troll.. it was just lame |
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| 14:10.18 | Sanderfox | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.19 | Sanderfox | :P |
| 14:10.22 | |DeF-con| | hello alll together |
| 14:10.30 | takatumi | si|vercat: with 2.6 it should work without legacy USB support, AFAIK. won't hurt to try, enable it back if it doesn't work. |
| 14:10.47 | |DeF-con| | who of u thinks can help me with lilo debian and xp |
| 14:11.06 | |DeF-con| | i need help |
| 14:11.10 | EdibleText | ted dansen? |
| 14:11.32 | takatumi | si|vercat: it's disabled here, my USB key works, haven't tried anything else. |
| 14:11.33 | simonrvn | hey, how about just asking the question... |
| 14:11.45 | |DeF-con| | lilo just boots so i can read li |
| 14:11.53 | greycat | !tell |DeF-con| about li |
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| 14:12.58 | |DeF-con| | thx |
| 14:13.30 | sml | greycat: RIAA ? |
| 14:13.37 | greycat | sml: the ones that sue 13 year old girls. |
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| 14:15.08 | tuxyAtitude | how to find a liste of icecast servers ? |
| 14:15.17 | BadMan | hmm, installed aumix added user to audio group on her comp, restarted kde and kmix cannot find aumix |
| 14:15.22 | greycat | http://www.magnetbox.com/riaa/search.asp -> put in the artist. |
| 14:16.48 | sml | is apt-get purge not an option anymore? there's only remove ? |
| 14:16.58 | sml | greycat: ok i'll go take a look |
| 14:16.59 | asg | sml: remove --purge foo |
| 14:17.03 | Epilog | apt-get remove --purge |
| 14:17.08 | sml | asg: ah ok. |
| 14:17.28 | directhex|work | $foo_artist may be RIAA in yankland but not elsewhere |
| 14:17.41 | tuxyAtitude | is there a list of icecast servers like shoutcast.com |
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| 14:18.16 | greycat | directhex|work: and since I'm smack in the middle of yankland... :/ |
| 14:18.48 | directhex|work | greycat, get a friend to buy from amazon.co.uk and relay it to you! the fbi might stop you under the DMCA though... |
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| 14:18.57 | BadMan | greycat: I feel sorry for you 8-) |
| 14:19.12 | greycat | directhex|work: I don't do Amazon, either... |
| 14:19.21 | greycat | "one click shopping" patent abuse. |
| 14:19.59 | directhex|work | greycat, fine, $foo_local_store |
| 14:20.10 | BadMan | where should I begin.... I have the snd modules loaded, installed aumix but get an error opening it, added user to audio group and restarted kde.. |
| 14:20.11 | sml | greycat: yeah QOTSA are RIAA. |
| 14:20.15 | greycat | I just wait a couple years until I can buy it for $2.50 in the used bin |
| 14:20.16 | directhex|work | the reading music festival was bought by clearchannel last week, which sucks |
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| 14:21.32 | Humbe | BadMan: Use groups to check that group settings is correct.. You probably have to restart X session entirely.. |
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| 14:21.46 | BadMan | Humbe: ok, thanks |
| 14:21.47 | Humbe | BadMan: (Or just make sure you run stuff from updated shell) |
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| 14:25.04 | BadMan | hmm.. nada |
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| 14:25.44 | ali_ | does anyone know why "apt-get install something" always runs dpsyco-delhome and disables my login? |
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| 14:26.18 | takatumi | BadMan: alsaconf doesn't work? |
| 14:26.46 | BadMan | takatumi: forgot about that one... just a sec |
| 14:27.15 | BadMan | no installed.. will have to get it as well |
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| 14:27.56 | takatumi | BadMan: get alsa-base and alsa-utils as well. |
| 14:28.10 | BadMan | k |
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| 14:28.21 | mozrat | Hey guys - anyone using the asterisk package in Sarge? Mine won't start with the error "loader.c:440 load_modules: Loading module chan_capi.so failed!" |
| 14:28.54 | petemc | mozrat: the packages are old, when i set it up i used * cvs |
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| 14:29.04 | petemc | not that thats any help... |
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| 14:29.24 | mozrat | petemc: :) |
| 14:29.58 | mozrat | petemc: as in.. it's fatally broken "old" and I must compile from cvs to get it working? |
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| 14:30.39 | petemc | mozrat: as in if you ask for help you get "upgrade first..." |
| 14:30.48 | BadMan | takatumi: dpkg: error processing alsa-base (--configure): |
| 14:30.48 | BadMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.52 | petemc | not without good cause aiui |
| 14:31.03 | mozrat | petemc, I see there are some updates already for *, maybe that'll sort me out.. thanks |
| 14:31.18 | BadMan | do I need to unload my sound modules first? |
| 14:31.20 | takatumi | BadMan: sarge? |
| 14:31.24 | BadMan | takatumi: yes |
| 14:31.33 | BadMan | clean isntall |
| 14:31.38 | BadMan | er install |
| 14:32.30 | stew | mozrat: make sure that you've killed all other versions of * that were running |
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| 14:32.43 | takatumi | BadMan: dunno, nothing in bts either. maybe file a bug. |
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| 14:33.05 | BadMan | how do I tell what version of discover1 i have installed... |
| 14:33.22 | takatumi | BadMan: dpkg -l discover1 |
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| 14:33.58 | BadMan | 1.7.3, good enough for alsa according to dpkg |
| 14:34.20 | KillerBunny | This quistion is a bit off topic: I think my ciscorouter is a bit weird. What i have do is to forward 21 off the internet to port 21 on my debian, sometimes when i contact it locally i get lan speed, other times i get wan speed (im guessing it being forwarded to my ISP and back). |
| 14:34.21 | BadMan | oops forogt to run alsaconf |
| 14:34.51 | KillerBunny | Should i run my ftp server on 2 ports or how should i tackle this? |
| 14:34.52 | asg | KillerBunny: did you ask #cisco? |
| 14:35.02 | KillerBunny | No. |
| 14:35.05 | stew | KillerBunny: are you connecting to it via your public address or private address? |
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| 14:35.20 | KillerBunny | im contacting it via a local adress. |
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| 14:35.35 | KillerBunny | 10.0.0.2 flof. |
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| 14:36.06 | KillerBunny | But its kinda random what happens. |
| 14:36.20 | KillerBunny | Sometimes when i restart my debian server, it helps. |
| 14:36.32 | KillerBunny | But that might be because the router refinds the server. |
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| 14:39.01 | ricardosojesus | óls |
| 14:39.02 | sml | if i followed the advice from dpkg in for sarge/mix, is there an easy way to go back from a sarge/sid mix to sarge? |
| 14:39.09 | ricardosojesus | ls |
| 14:39.14 | ricardosojesus | redescvdf |
| 14:39.31 | takatumi | sml: how much did you mix? |
| 14:39.32 | ricardosojesus | erfldjjf |
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| 14:39.41 | asg | ricardosojesus: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 14:39.47 | sml | takatumi: not a lot... just the stuff needed for nvidia and the dependent libraries from sid. |
| 14:39.55 | sml | takatumi: just need to work out what they are and purge them |
| 14:39.57 | directhex|work | sml, remove sid sources from sources.list, then. |
| 14:40.20 | sml | directhex|work: do i just remove the sid deb and deb-src from sources and then do an update ? |
| 14:40.30 | BadMan | hmm on probing ISA legacyin alsaconf it list no cmedia, should I just go with sb16 and sb8 or leave all of them selected? it's a cmi8330 |
| 14:40.47 | sml | i also modified apt.conf so that it would use testing (sarge) as the default. |
| 14:40.56 | sml | so my system shouldn't be too fucked i hope. |
| 14:41.23 | directhex|work | !depends nvidia-kernel-common |
| 14:41.23 | sml | directhex|work: just wanted to get rid of any stray sid libs. already done the nvidia one-liner in reverse. |
| 14:41.25 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-common: depends on modutils | module-init-tools |
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| 14:41.41 | directhex|work | make sure the above are from sarge? apt-cache policy is handy |
| 14:41.47 | bgat | how come my bash history is always getting nuked? |
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| 14:42.15 | sml | directhex|work: an easy way to tell if they're from sarge ? |
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| 14:42.24 | sml | directhex|work: other than a -L and comparing against pod |
| 14:42.35 | sml | pdo sorry. |
| 14:42.37 | asg | bgat: is something setting HISTSIZE=0 in ~/.bash_logout? |
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| 14:42.55 | bgat | asg: O dpm |
| 14:42.59 | durakomer | which adresses can i add to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 14:43.06 | bgat | asg: I don't have a .bash_logout |
| 14:43.10 | greycat | durakomer: /msg dpkg mirrors or see www.apt-get.org |
| 14:43.19 | greycat | bgat: yet. |
| 14:43.23 | bgat | asg: (That "O dpm" reply was my fat fingers...) |
| 14:43.25 | asg | bgat: okay, then explain how it is being nuked |
| 14:43.30 | directhex|work | sml, apt-cache policy? |
| 14:43.36 | durakomer | do you now best adress? |
| 14:43.47 | mozrat | petemc, upgraded and now it fails with a different error :) is that progress :P |
| 14:44.02 | greycat | there is no "best". |
| 14:44.03 | asg | durakomer: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 14:44.03 | bgat | asg: so.... what do I put in my .bash_logout? |
| 14:44.11 | greycat | bgat: whatever you want |
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| 14:44.28 | asg | bgat: nothing, I was just seeing if there was something in there setting HISTSIZE=0 |
| 14:44.35 | bgat | greycat: all of a sudden I'm feeling so enlightened! :^) |
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| 14:44.55 | sml | directhex|work: unstable sources have a 500 beside them |
| 14:44.58 | bgat | so what do I put in .bash_logout to preserve my history? |
| 14:45.09 | BadMan | well the isa legacy finished I now see a bunch of *_oss modules loaded for sound... |
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| 14:45.15 | sml | directhex|work: testing 990 |
| 14:45.24 | directhex|work | sml, the number is the priority given to that source |
| 14:45.30 | asg | bgat: so, history works fine when you are logged in but then when you logout and login again, it is cleared? |
| 14:45.36 | bgat | asg: precisely. |
| 14:45.46 | directhex|work | sml, i.e. bigger number, higher priority. check the version number for the installed version versus the one proposed in testing |
| 14:45.48 | sml | directhex|work: ok hopefully high is a high priority or im screwed |
| 14:45.55 | asg | bgat: and this is a standard Debian box with no optional extras? |
| 14:45.57 | sml | directhex|work: kewl! phew! |
| 14:46.00 | bgat | asg: correct |
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| 14:46.42 | id10t | 'lo all |
| 14:47.10 | sml | directhex|work: dselsect says inst ver 2.4.26-1.2 avail ver 2.4.26-1.2 |
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| 14:47.25 | ali_ | please help me: apt-get always runs some dpsyco configuration, which always "disables" my user (remove from passwd & group, mv /home/ali to /home/ali.disabled). i have no idea what's going on there. |
| 14:47.28 | sml | directhex|work: im hoping the available version comes from only the hi-pri sources unless the packages is unavailable there. |
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| 14:47.44 | asg | ali_: what is the uid of the user who is being deleted? |
| 14:47.50 | ali_ | asg: 513 |
| 14:48.04 | asg | ali_: WARNING! Users with UID and GID between 500 and 999 will be automatically |
| 14:48.04 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.04 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.17 | asg | ali_: for 'apt-cache show dpsyco' |
| 14:48.25 | ali_ | UARG |
| 14:48.30 | directhex|work | sml, apt will not install a newer version if it has a lower priority. see "apt-cache policy apt" for an example, comparing installed vs candidate vs version table |
| 14:48.30 | greycat | asg: "administrated"??? |
| 14:48.49 | sml | directhex|work: that's great. |
| 14:49.15 | ali_ | asg: so i'll just have to become, say, uid 1001? |
| 14:49.20 | BadMan | arg..... |
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| 14:49.33 | asg | ali_: or follow the instructions and use an admin package (wtf that is) |
| 14:49.35 | directhex|work | sml, the reason the sid/sarge mix factoid exists is to give a (relatively) safe way of using sarge, with bits from sid only when explicitly forced (or where the package is sid-only) |
| 14:49.37 | BadMan | this sound card is kicking my ass |
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| 14:49.55 | asg | greycat: scary, I'd rather just use cfengine2 for such things. |
| 14:50.19 | YaleR | after uninstalling XFCE4 or whatever it's called my xmms doesn't start with this error- |
| 14:50.21 | ali_ | asg: thanks very much |
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| 14:50.26 | asg | BadMan: then just go and buy one that doesn't suck. They give 'em away free with a fillup of petrol these days. |
| 14:50.27 | YaleR | libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:50.27 | YaleR | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! |
| 14:50.29 | asg | ali_: you're welcome |
| 14:50.47 | sml | directhex|work: i did use the -t option to install packages from unstable but i seem to remember some dependent libs being pulled from sid which were not purged when i followed the procedure in reverse. hmmm. I guess there's no real easy way to check, hopefully all will be good. |
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| 14:51.14 | bgat | asg: what a crummy time for a crash! :^( |
| 14:51.19 | BadMan | asg: lol.. I would but I don't have a ride right now.. my truck is in shop... 8-( I broke it playing last week, hopefully it will be done today, witha little more juice under hood as well... |
| 14:51.19 | takatumi | sml: why are you reversing it btw? |
| 14:51.33 | id10t | anyone know of a app I can use to make a pdf form? i know OOo can do pdfs, not sure about the form part |
| 14:51.34 | asg | bgat: what are the perms on ~/.bash_history? |
| 14:51.44 | sml | takatumi: because it failed to work on my hardware and i dont want to run a mixed system. |
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| 14:51.56 | sml | takatumi: i'd rather use straight sarge as its almost ready for release. |
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| 14:52.08 | BadMan | !sing sarge |
| 14:52.08 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 14:52.09 | bgat | asg: rw for me, no access for anyone else. what is that, ... 500? |
| 14:52.17 | bgat | bgat@mercury:~$ ls -l ~/.bash_history |
| 14:52.17 | bgat | -rw------- 1 bgat bgat 8337 2005-04-13 09:46 /home/bgat/.bash_history |
| 14:52.25 | directhex|work | sml, the difference being no nvidia-glx in sarge, which is why the mix factoid was created |
| 14:52.36 | sml | takatumi: failed to work on my hardware=caused me loads of problems so screw having the nvidia module i really cant be bothered since i use screen 99% of the time anyway. it was only for firefox. |
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| 14:53.00 | asg | bgat: well, that indicates that there is 'something' in your history. Are you sure you are using bash? |
| 14:53.05 | sml | directhex|work: oh yes i know :) i also know why too, i guess it was a case of use sid or start using /usr/local somethigns even worse! |
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| 14:53.23 | takatumi | bgat: are you sure you have a history? ;) |
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| 14:54.05 | bgat | asg: hmmm.... bash_history does have stuff in it, all apparently from my current login |
| 14:54.26 | asg | bgat: hmmm, logout ; login and check what the file contains. |
| 14:54.27 | boukensya | hello. I got an ibook and osd isn't working. also transparency combine with shade or tint is only doing transparency. what do you think it needs? cheers |
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| 14:54.32 | sml | directhex|work: both the get the module matching my debian kernel image, and make my own using module assisant lead to the same issue so basically its just a no go on this laptop. SO i wanted to revert back to a 100% sarge system. was just wondering if there was a way (easily) to locate any sid files and purge them |
| 14:54.48 | petemc | boukensya: osx? ;) |
| 14:54.50 | directhex|work | sml, i'm not aware of any, but i've never tried. sorry |
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| 14:55.07 | sml | directhex|work: no worries if there are any they'll be some weird X lib that im not going to use anyway. |
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| 14:55.26 | boukensya | like tint or shade works alone, just when I combine them |
| 14:55.41 | tuxyAtitude | is there a list of icecast servers like shoutcast.com |
| 14:55.50 | bgat | asg: ok, holdonasec. |
| 14:56.12 | sml | directhex|work: hmmm... how about using a find command to find all files installed yesterday! that would work ? |
| 14:56.28 | sml | directhex|work: find / -ctime -1 ? |
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| 14:56.58 | boukensya | and stuff like osd_clock just tries to open and sits there |
| 14:57.07 | BadMan | damn why is thing being sucha pain.... |
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| 14:57.22 | bgat | asg: hmmm.... I have history now! |
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| 14:57.28 | takatumi | BadMan: oss doesn't work either? |
| 14:57.37 | asg | bgat: must have been a disturbance in the wash |
| 14:57.38 | bgat | will bash-related packages nuke history during an apt-get? |
| 14:57.45 | BadMan | doesnt seem to be.... nothing seems to be working... |
| 14:57.50 | bgat | asg: yea, it's the only explanation that makes sense. :^) |
| 14:57.51 | asg | bgat: no package should touch your $HOME |
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| 14:58.20 | asg | bgat: are you the admin of this box? |
| 14:58.24 | bgat | asg: yep |
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| 14:58.35 | BadMan | cant launch amixer instaleld aumix, can't launch it either.... its an isa cmi8330 installed isapnp and did the pnpdump as well |
| 14:58.43 | asg | bgat: check that you don't have some cron jobs running that periodically go and delete such things. |
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| 14:58.50 | bgat | ok |
| 14:58.52 | bgat | will do |
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| 14:59.57 | ecliptik | does anybody know if courier-imap is able to auth with some md5 passwords stored in a mysql DB for expl? |
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| 15:04.22 | ipcris3 | bom dia |
| 15:04.40 | ipcris3 | alguem aqui sabe um manual ou algo parecido para configurar o sendmail no debian |
| 15:04.50 | ipcris3 | eu estou me batendo um montăo |
| 15:04.54 | jetx | !br |
| 15:04.54 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:05.14 | jetx | mas ayuda |
| 15:05.43 | ipcris3 | !br |
| 15:05.43 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 15:05.55 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.10 | jetx | ok mas ajuda |
| 15:06.17 | ipcris3 | ok |
| 15:06.22 | jetx | ay aj aiaiai |
| 15:06.25 | jetx | jejeje |
| 15:06.33 | greycat | sendmail sucks in any language, though. |
| 15:06.38 | asg | heh |
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| 15:07.26 | jetx | i can laugh in spanish on irc! /me is 1337 |
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| 15:08.05 | asg | jetx: is portuguese laughter subtly different? |
| 15:08.12 | BadMan | ok, this bites... guess I need to go get a new sound card, this thing is pissing me off |
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| 15:08.24 | jetx | ah cool i can laugh in spanish AND portuguese! |
| 15:08.36 | jetx | what card |
| 15:08.44 | jetx | what chipset rather |
| 15:08.48 | BadMan | ISA CMI8330.... |
| 15:08.57 | jetx | should just work |
| 15:09.05 | jetx | alsa or oss.. alsa i guess |
| 15:09.08 | BadMan | jetx: so far no... |
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| 15:09.58 | jetx | if alsa did you try what /msg dpkg alsa-bork suggests? |
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| 15:11.30 | jetx | sarge, alsa, hotplug, discover? |
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| 15:11.40 | jetx | BadMan: ^^ |
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| 15:12.28 | jetx | ah lastlog works |
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| 15:12.31 | BadMan | jetx: discover and hotplug are both in and its sarge alsa-base and utils installed isapnp instaleld and pnpdump has been ran along with alsaconf ran |
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| 15:13.12 | jetx | is plug&play disabled in bios? (plug&play aware os option) |
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| 15:13.27 | dhuv | hello all, i see the evolution-exchange package in experimental, any idea of when it will move into unstable or testing? |
| 15:13.30 | BadMan | jetx: no |
| 15:13.30 | jetx | did you set your io & irq? did you pass these params to the module? |
| 15:13.46 | BadMan | no... hehe I still think I want a new card in it |
| 15:13.58 | jetx | this is what i had to do to get my isa NIC to function... maybe it's the same for an isa sound card |
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| 15:14.53 | jetx | oh and set the card up with the manuf.'s dos utility also (i had to) |
| 15:14.54 | BadMan | I don't know I rember when that box ran Caldera linux about 4 years ago, it worked fine... then it has had windows on it for the last 3 years when I gave it to my wife |
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| 15:15.17 | Disputin | you still married? |
| 15:15.22 | ep | lol |
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| 15:15.28 | Disputin | what a cruel thing to do to a spouse |
| 15:15.29 | BadMan | I think I am done messing with that card.. I do believe it is the only ISA card I have left |
| 15:15.32 | jetx | :) |
| 15:15.57 | greycat | always remember, the plural of spouse is *not* spice. |
| 15:16.13 | jetx | i don't have any isa slots \o/ |
| 15:16.27 | takatumi | BadMan: the only other thing I can think of is blacklisting the oss drivers. (if you haven't already) |
| 15:16.28 | asg | greycat: hmmm, ginger spouse |
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| 15:16.37 | ep | I think the plural of spouse should be "spice" |
| 15:16.42 | jetx | installing alsa-base tells them to auto-blacklist |
| 15:16.51 | BadMan | takatumi: nah, jsut not going to mess with it |
| 15:17.03 | EdibleText | ep but only polygamists could use it |
| 15:17.10 | jetx | (auto black the oss modules) |
| 15:17.19 | ep | true |
| 15:17.37 | EdibleText | "Hello, meet my spice" |
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| 15:17.48 | directhex|work | how about "spoose"? |
| 15:17.50 | jetx | spice girls |
| 15:18.14 | FieldySnuts | @lart spice girls |
| 15:18.14 | takatumi | jetx: "17:31:02 BadMan | takatumi: dpkg: error processing alsa-base (--configure):" |
| 15:18.21 | jetx | wtf? who the fuck is serg |
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| 15:18.31 | BadMan | takatumi: got that taken care of by removing aumix |
| 15:18.46 | takatumi | BadMan: ah. |
| 15:19.24 | greycat | heh |
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| 15:19.42 | jetx | [10:18:03] --- Received a DCC CHAT offer from serg |
| 15:19.44 | FieldySnuts | i forget, how can i query a dns server for it's version TXT record? |
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| 15:19.52 | agnes | hey all! |
| 15:19.54 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: host -t ? |
| 15:19.57 | asg | FieldySnuts: with dig |
| 15:20.02 | FieldySnuts | yeah i know with dig, what more |
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| 15:20.04 | agnes | where could I find .deb files of the "latest" (or late, anyway) ooo 2 beta? |
| 15:20.13 | greycat | !listvals CHAOS |
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| 15:20.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'CHAOS' by value returned no results. |
| 15:20.18 | raf256 | hi there |
| 15:20.19 | greycat | damn you, dpkg! |
| 15:20.21 | directhex|work | agnes, you don't |
| 15:20.25 | raf256 | I installed this openclipard thingy |
| 15:20.28 | tarzeau | agnes: maybe on google? or experimental? |
| 15:20.29 | raf256 | now - how can I access it? |
| 15:20.31 | greycat | ~listvals CHAOS |
| 15:20.37 | agnes | tarzeau: can I browse experimental somewhere? |
| 15:20.39 | FieldySnuts | oh yeah |
| 15:20.44 | tarzeau | agnes: sure, packages.debian.org |
| 15:20.54 | FieldySnuts | @listvals CHAOS |
| 15:21.00 | FieldySnuts | die |
| 15:21.03 | agnes | tarzeau: I do a google for "openoffice.org beta debian", but the latest I can find is 1.9.72 or so |
| 15:21.04 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'CHAOS' by value (9): CMD: wb (.*?) ;; boom ;; be random ;; napster bad ;; eris ;; napsterbad ;; u know who ;; chaos`immortal ;; gap. |
| 15:21.04 | jetx | !dselect |
| 15:21.04 | dpkg | methinks dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 15:21.18 | tarzeau | agnes: that's pretty near to 2, ain't it? |
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| 15:21.24 | jetx | !sing craptitude |
| 15:21.30 | greycat | good god, NONE of the bots have it?? |
| 15:21.34 | FieldySnuts | poop what was it |
| 15:21.37 | FieldySnuts | they used to. |
| 15:21.42 | Spark | !aptitude |
| 15:21.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 15:21.45 | FieldySnuts | thought it was dig txt CHAOS nameserver |
| 15:21.52 | asg | greycat: did g4lt purge it perhaps? |
| 15:21.54 | jetx | nono i said SING |
| 15:21.54 | FieldySnuts | or CHAOS txt or something. neither |
| 15:21.56 | Spark | more politics than you can wave a large nuke at |
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| 15:22.05 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: host -t txt dnsserver |
| 15:22.10 | greycat | dpkg, bind version is <reply> dig @server.ip.address version.bind chaos txt |
| 15:22.10 | dpkg | ...but bind version is already something else... |
| 15:22.12 | serg | I'am just a beginner :) |
| 15:22.25 | agnes | tarzeau: yep.. |
| 15:22.27 | jetx | ok then i won't hack your box and melt your cpu |
| 15:22.27 | greycat | !+literal bind version |
| 15:22.28 | dpkg | bind version is <reply> dig @NAMESERVERADDRESS version.bind chaos txt |
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| 15:22.41 | greycat | oh shit, is !listvals case sensitive? |
| 15:22.42 | agnes | tarzeau: but the betas around are 79.. |
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| 15:22.58 | agnes | tarzeau: and the first beta (i.e., with the new splash) was 75 at least.. |
| 15:23.20 | FieldySnuts | VERSION.BIND. 0 CH TXT "REFUSED" |
| 15:23.22 | FieldySnuts | meh |
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| 15:23.35 | FieldySnuts | it's okay, all of mine say "Nothing to see here, move along." |
| 15:23.43 | jetx | yes, hack a box, access the cpu fan control, turnit off, compile somehting :) |
| 15:23.57 | slocate | is it possible to use route , say, independent of iptables? |
| 15:24.03 | tarzeau | slocate: sure |
| 15:24.09 | tarzeau | jetx: not nice |
| 15:24.09 | petemc | slocate: yes |
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| 15:24.22 | Ins|de | hi there |
| 15:24.23 | jetx | i'm just an idea man |
| 15:24.23 | slocate | well, at startup... |
| 15:24.33 | Ins|de | when i installed binaries from nvidia drivers, reslution get low, can someone help |
| 15:24.36 | Ins|de | ? |
| 15:24.37 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: does yours tell me where it is w/ geographic coordinates like lat/longditude? |
| 15:24.48 | tarzeau | Ins|de: #nvidia |
| 15:24.48 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: hell no, why would it |
| 15:24.50 | BadMan | !tell Ins|de about nvidia |
| 15:24.51 | jetx | it's not my fault what somebody else does.... (see also 'i was just following orders) |
| 15:24.58 | jetx | gah ' |
| 15:24.58 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: the ones i managed, do |
| 15:25.07 | FieldySnuts | i'm too paranoid for that |
| 15:25.27 | slocate | tarzeau: well, at startup... |
| 15:25.32 | asg | FieldySnuts: scared ICANN is going to come and hit you with a big stick? |
| 15:25.41 | directhex|work | Ins|de, nvidia-installer .run files are not supported here, due to the way they break debian. nvidia-installer --uninstall, come back, and ask dpkg about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:25.43 | jetx | ICAN'T |
| 15:25.43 | l4vim | hello, I'm trying to find package with web based network monitoring and statistic system. I don't remember the name of it but it was big and shows hosts IP, MAC, OS version, traffic, if it have DHCP server runned and IP forwarding - do enyone remember the name of it ? |
| 15:25.56 | asg | l4vim: nagios |
| 15:25.59 | greycat | ICANN but UCANT |
| 15:26.06 | l4vim | asg: not nagios ;( |
| 15:26.07 | FieldySnuts | the reason i'm doing this version crap is to check if the forwarders some of our caching dns servers use are bind 4 or 8 (which are all vuln to the cache poisoning of late) |
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| 15:26.09 | FieldySnuts | greycat: haha |
| 15:26.14 | asg | l4vim: netsaint |
| 15:26.31 | nipplesrulz | going to work >< DAM YOU GATES ITS YOUR FAULT WE GOT MONEY!!!!! |
| 15:26.31 | jetx | netsaint is big |
| 15:26.38 | FieldySnuts | VERSION.BIND. 0 CH TXT "8.3.7-REL" |
| 15:26.42 | FieldySnuts | won't be using tha tone. |
| 15:26.45 | asg | jetx: nagios is bigger (since netsaint became nagios 2 years or so ago) |
| 15:26.46 | jetx | yes bill is good for job security |
| 15:26.50 | Ins|de | !tell Ins|de about nvidia |
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| 15:27.22 | FieldySnuts | heh. both the dns servers that i was given to use for this box going to another branch office are vuln |
| 15:27.27 | FieldySnuts | nice. |
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| 15:27.41 | jetx | you work for a bank? |
| 15:27.43 | BadMan | FieldySnuts: play nice.... |
| 15:27.51 | FieldySnuts | BadMan: ? |
| 15:28.00 | BadMan | no sniffing 8-) |
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| 15:28.05 | directhex|work | Ins|de, why are you still here? you've been given your tasks. do them. |
| 15:28.09 | FieldySnuts | no point, they're ours |
| 15:28.12 | l4vim | asg: mayby - I'll try this ;) |
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| 15:28.16 | l4vim | asg: thank you |
| 15:28.18 | FieldySnuts | just i'm not in charge of them (else they wouldn't be vuln) |
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| 15:28.37 | FieldySnuts | appears they are wholly unupdated redshat 7.0 systems. |
| 15:28.52 | asg | FieldySnuts: you have worse problems than dns cache poisoning then |
| 15:28.54 | BadMan | ouch |
| 15:28.57 | FieldySnuts | yeah i'll say. |
| 15:28.58 | EdibleText | !comfort FieldySnuts |
| 15:28.58 | dpkg | There, there, FieldySnuts. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:29.05 | FieldySnuts | s/you/their\ admin/ |
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| 15:29.23 | jair_11 | hello guys |
| 15:29.25 | jair_11 | ? |
| 15:29.28 | FieldySnuts | where |
| 15:29.33 | jair_11 | how is everybody today? |
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| 15:29.42 | asg | cold and wet |
| 15:29.52 | petemc | fair to middling |
| 15:29.58 | jair_11 | I have the sarge installed on my laptop fresh and clean |
| 15:30.00 | chr1s | does anyone know of a good cli-bittorrent client? |
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| 15:30.09 | greycat | chr1s: screen + btlaunchmanycurses |
| 15:30.12 | EdibleText | bright eyed or bushytailed |
| 15:30.15 | FieldySnuts | heh one of mit's dns severs version.bind is "MIT DNS SERVER" |
| 15:30.17 | jetx | dpkg, nv.run is <reply> cut&paste this: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run -aK --no-network --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 15:30.17 | dpkg | jetx: okay |
| 15:30.22 | jair_11 | but I notice I do not have cups installed ins order to connect to network printers and local printers |
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| 15:30.51 | jair_11 | what will be the best way to start? |
| 15:30.51 | jair_11 | apt-get install cupsys? |
| 15:30.52 | FieldySnuts | another im looking at using is qddns , cool |
| 15:30.52 | asg | jair_11: apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd |
| 15:30.52 | jetx | dpkg: nv.run is also and change the .run's version# if yo uhave to. |
| 15:30.52 | dpkg | jetx: okay |
| 15:31.02 | jetx | shit |
| 15:31.13 | jair_11 | asg, this will install all the postscrips and drivers database? |
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| 15:31.26 | asg | jair_11: no, use foomatic or gimp-print-cups for those. |
| 15:31.49 | directhex|work | jetx, what the FUCK? |
| 15:32.04 | mihaly | how do you turn off the "scandisk" thing that runs every 30 boot when using ext3... and how can you run it manually? |
| 15:32.16 | jetx | dpkg, nv.run is <reply> cut&paste this (but change the .run's version# if you have to): apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run -aK --no-network --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 15:32.17 | dpkg | ...but nv.run is already something else... |
| 15:32.17 | asg | mihaly: man fsck |
| 15:32.21 | jetx | no it's not |
| 15:32.25 | asg | mihaly: man tune2fs |
| 15:32.31 | FieldySnuts | @lart *BSD QoS |
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| 15:32.43 | FieldySnuts | that's a new one |
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| 15:32.52 | directhex|work | jesus christ -_- |
| 15:33.06 | streuner_ | jetx: dpkg, no blah is blahblah |
| 15:33.15 | directhex|work | jetx, nvidia installer is NOT, i repeat NOT a good idea, under ANY circumstances, with debian |
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| 15:33.36 | jetx | it won't forget the damn factoid |
| 15:33.44 | dk58 | can somebody help me ? I'm French... And I have some problem installing my debian... arf |
| 15:33.49 | streuner_ | jetx: USE what i told you! |
| 15:33.50 | jetx | !fr |
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| 15:33.51 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:33.57 | dk58 | thanks |
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| 15:34.07 | jetx | streuner: i don't want to work around it!!! :) i want it to work |
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| 15:35.32 | Tuttle | hi ppl, I have Sarge installed and wish to extend PHP4 with modules, that are normally functional in php upstream. May I ask for advice about how to make this the most cleanly? |
| 15:35.33 | zulkifar | hi. I have problem compiling MPlayer due to libiconv. iconv.h is a part of libc6-dev, but there is no libiconv library in the system - just several iconv.so's from different ruby'es along with /usr/lib/libiconv_hook*. Where is normal iconv lib which could be built with mplayer? |
| 15:35.50 | asg | Tuttle: apt-cache search php4 (install the package with the module you need) |
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| 15:36.22 | Tuttle | asg: i didn't find php4-interbase and php4-msql that i need |
| 15:36.22 | asg | zulkifar: /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:36.22 | streuner_ | zulkifar: use the packages of marillat |
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| 15:36.37 | asg | Tuttle: is that 'msql' or 'mssql'? |
| 15:36.47 | Tuttle | asg: msql, unfortunately (Hughes) |
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| 15:36.49 | asg | ouch |
| 15:36.51 | raf256 | how can I check where do given *.deb put files? |
| 15:36.55 | zulkifar | asg: sorry? |
| 15:37.04 | jetx | apt-file raf256 |
| 15:37.05 | directhex|work | !tell zulkifar about marillat |
| 15:37.12 | asg | Tuttle: well, look at /usr/share/doc/php4/README* (it should list why certain modules aren't included.) |
| 15:37.12 | raf256 | like apt-where-the-fuck foobar will print /etc/foobar and /usr/bin/foobar |
| 15:37.17 | directhex|work | raf256, dpkg -L packagename |
| 15:37.18 | zulkifar | streuner_: no, thanks, I've just removed it due to its perverted nature :) |
| 15:37.23 | raf256 | ok |
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| 15:37.45 | asg | zulkifar: type '/msg dpkg search' in your irc client (our bot will give you useful tips on how to find things.) |
| 15:37.51 | zulkifar | streuner_: really it lacked some features and was out of date |
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| 15:38.08 | Tuttle | asg: I looked there already. is there a way to post-include them myself? or i have to recompile the whole php? |
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| 15:38.38 | jair_11 | asg, and those that you name to me fomatic and gimp will come installed with the command "apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd"? |
| 15:38.40 | asg | Tuttle: you'll probably have to recompile php4 yourself in that case. You could also look in non-free or contrib to see if they are there. |
| 15:38.51 | zulkifar | asg: I asked about how iconv built into debian, and about how to install mplayer, right? :) |
| 15:38.51 | jetx | directhex|work: why/how does it fuxor stuff btw |
| 15:38.53 | durakomer | how can i learn apt package? |
| 15:38.54 | asg | jair_11: no, apt-cache search foomatic ; apt-cache search gimp-print |
| 15:38.56 | durakomer | what was command |
| 15:38.59 | jetx | man apt-get |
| 15:39.19 | asg | zulkifar: you asked where a certain file was. |
| 15:39.32 | jair_11 | asg, cool stuff thank you |
| 15:39.47 | jetx | or apt-cache show |
| 15:39.48 | zulkifar | asg: and? where is it? in marillat's repository? |
| 15:39.52 | Tuttle | asg: recompile and package it? or you'll recommend just recompiling? |
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| 15:40.13 | asg | zulkifar: oh, my mistake, I misread what you said. Nevermind. |
| 15:40.18 | zulkifar | asg: ok :) |
| 15:40.28 | directhex|work | jetx, nvidia-installer indiscriminantly overwrites files managed by dpkg. if those packages are updated, then nvidia is left in a broken state. if you uninstall nvidia subsequently, you have a mess of new & old files, which can cause semi-permanent x server breakage (i.e. takes a lot of effort to fix, by reinstalling all xfree86 & dependancies from scratch) |
| 15:40.57 | asg | Tuttle: well, it depends. If it is just a matter of adding new ./configure options, you can do that with the debian src package and rebuild. Otherwise, if the maintainer removed offending code, you'll have to compile from upstream |
| 15:41.10 | Tuttle | hmm |
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| 15:41.15 | cored | im doing this for |
| 15:41.15 | Tuttle | asg: thank you |
| 15:41.19 | cored | getting a route on my table list |
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| 15:41.20 | asg | Tuttle: you might also check dotdeb.org |
| 15:41.43 | asg | Tuttle: they have some unofficial phpX packages that might be of use. |
| 15:41.50 | jetx | directhex|work: so, as a test: i uninstall all the nvidia modules/whatever i have installed. then i change to nv. i will see borkage, correct? |
| 15:42.02 | Tuttle | asg: isn't it just for woody? |
| 15:42.08 | jair_11 | asg, actually when you do the install apt-get with only "cupsys" will install everything else for you ;) |
| 15:42.12 | cored | hi guys |
| 15:42.13 | cored | im using |
| 15:42.18 | asg | Tuttle: maybe, not sure. |
| 15:42.26 | cored | route add -net ip1 netmask ip1 gw ip3 |
| 15:42.27 | asg | jair_11: ah, well there you go then. |
| 15:42.32 | cored | now i want that they work on boot time |
| 15:42.37 | cored | should i use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:42.38 | asg | cored: man interfaces |
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| 15:42.42 | cored | with the gatway option |
| 15:42.42 | cored | ? |
| 15:42.48 | asg | cored: no, with the 'up' option |
| 15:42.50 | jetx | directhex|work: i'm only asking because, i can't tell. |
| 15:42.52 | cored | hmm |
| 15:42.55 | directhex|work | jetx, depends whether the x packages have updated. the general policy with nvidia-installerr is "it will work today. it won't neccessarily work tomorrow" |
| 15:42.59 | cored | asg: i mean on the gateway section |
| 15:42.59 | jetx | but i wil be happy to try |
| 15:43.00 | cored | ? |
| 15:43.04 | jetx | ah |
| 15:43.06 | cored | or i need another section ? |
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| 15:43.09 | asg | cored: search the manpage for up, pre-up, down, etc. |
| 15:43.26 | directhex|work | jetx, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life |
| 15:43.29 | asg | cored: just don't define a gateway option for that interface if you are setting it manually with that command. |
| 15:43.40 | jetx | okie i can grok that |
| 15:44.27 | directhex|work | jetx, this is why we do NOT help people to use nvidia-installer, and tell them to remove it ASAP if they don't want to risk breaking things. debian packages exist for a reason |
| 15:44.46 | jetx | i've been using it for a very long time btw |
| 15:44.49 | jetx | on sid |
| 15:44.59 | jetx | and haven't seen any indication of this |
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| 15:45.24 | directhex|work | jetx, it's a long time since the x packages have changed. you will notice a hell of a lot faster once sarge releases |
| 15:45.33 | jetx | oh yeah :) |
| 15:45.51 | jetx | forgot about that |
| 15:46.18 | Tuttle | asg: There is also some HOW TO CREATE A SELF-CONTAINED PHP EXTENSION utilizing 'phpize' program. Wouldn't this be of use for my situation? |
| 15:46.38 | inc|freaky | hi all. im running proftpd 1.2.10 and today it suddenly stopped working - i was logged in, got logged out and i cant login anymore. no errors in the log. when i try to login using a ftp-client it tells me: 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection --> No control connection for command: No such file or directory ... what could this be caused by? i tried restarting proftpd but it just doesnt work :( |
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| 15:46.44 | inc|freaky | and i did/changed nothing |
| 15:46.45 | Tuttle | I don't like php :( |
| 15:46.49 | FieldySnuts | @capssmite Tuttle |
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| 15:49.15 | petemc | inc|freaky: you need to use passive fto me thinks |
| 15:49.18 | petemc | ftp |
| 15:49.29 | inc|freaky | but it worked before |
| 15:49.37 | inc|freaky | i did nothing. and suddenly i was unable to log in |
| 15:49.44 | petemc | mm, dunno then |
| 15:49.45 | inc|freaky | now it gives me that error |
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| 15:49.56 | inc|freaky | :(# |
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| 15:50.09 | jetx | !combat |
| 15:50.09 | dpkg | i guess combat is the best damn roach killer money can buy afaik |
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| 15:50.16 | nomed^ | hi |
| 15:50.33 | greycat | also the classic Atari 2600 game |
| 15:50.41 | nomed^ | how is it called in debian the demon nfsd? |
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| 15:50.46 | dvs | I like the mortal kind |
| 15:51.46 | nomed^ | how can i restart it? |
| 15:51.46 | greycat | nomed^: nfs-kernel-server or similar. |
| 15:51.47 | greycat | there are multiple choices. |
| 15:51.47 | ZackX | q |
| 15:51.47 | ZackX | exit |
| 15:51.47 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.47 | greycat | nomed^: /etc/init.d/<file> {start|stop|restart|reload} |
| 15:51.47 | jetx | what he said |
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| 15:51.48 | asg | Tuttle: you can try it but I'm not personally familiar with that tool |
| 15:51.48 | nomed^ | greycat, yes :) |
| 15:51.51 | Tuttle | asg: ok, thanks |
| 15:51.58 | nomed^ | for me it was nfs-user-server i suppose it's the same ... |
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| 15:52.17 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.23 | nomed^ | Q number 2 |
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| 15:52.44 | nomed^ | how can i obtain something like: |
| 15:53.00 | nomed^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:53.13 | nomed^ | showing -- start stop restart |
| 15:53.28 | greycat | nomed^: why would you *need* it? |
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| 15:53.34 | valdyn_ | nomed^: /etc/init.d/apache2<enter> |
| 15:53.37 | petemc | nomed^: source /etc/bash_completion - or use zsh |
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| 15:53.44 | greycat | they *ALL* take start, stop and restart. most will take reload. a few take others. Just read them. |
| 15:53.56 | pole | i just upgrarded my system and apache stoped parsing php files and just spits them out... no errors in /etc/apache/error.log or anything... |
| 15:54.04 | greycat | how often do you restart your services, anyway? once or twice a year? |
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| 15:54.11 | pole | anyone know what is going on? |
| 15:54.28 | nomed^ | greycat, thanks again :) |
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| 15:54.37 | petemc | pole: any erros in /var/log/apache ? |
| 15:54.40 | dvs | pole: Upgraded from what to what? |
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| 15:54.55 | pole | petemc, that is what i ment... |
| 15:55.02 | pole | dvhart, sid to sid |
| 15:55.11 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 15:55.11 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:55.24 | valdyn_ | pole: let me guess, from apache to apache2 and you didnt read /usr/share/doc/apache2-common/README.Debian |
| 15:55.35 | dvs | pole: What version of apache to what? |
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| 15:55.49 | pole | valdyn_, nope, screw apache2 |
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| 15:56.03 | pole | dvs, i dont know... just a usual update |
| 15:56.37 | greycat | how the hell can you *not know*? |
| 15:56.42 | greycat | oh wait, I have an even *better* one! |
| 15:56.44 | pole | libapache-mod-php4 is installed |
| 15:56.48 | jetx | hey anybody know if they sell just the tips for pins, like the pins on a vga cable? looks like one tip is missing (and it looks like the tip is a seperate item) |
| 15:56.49 | greycat | WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU RUNNING SID AS A WEB SERVER? |
| 15:57.06 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:57.09 | pole | right now i'm running the latest 1.3.33-4 |
| 15:57.12 | jetx | it's not a mission critical web server? |
| 15:57.17 | pole | hell no |
| 15:57.20 | greycat | jetx: then sarge. |
| 15:57.22 | FieldySnuts | now there's an oxymoron |
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| 15:57.35 | pole | it is just my workstation |
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| 15:58.12 | greycat | does reinstalling the previous version of the package fix it? |
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| 15:59.17 | jetx | greycat: what's better, a sid webserver or a windows webserver :) |
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| 16:00.06 | greycat | jetx: sid. |
| 16:00.08 | Disputin | sid, I still don't know how to do a /etc/init.d/apache restart on a windows server |
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| 16:00.19 | grimdonkey | i'm trying to set iso-8859-2 locales. trying to solve different problems, i noticed the keymaps fed to xmodmap and setxkbmap are different |
| 16:00.23 | jetx | that's bad (the fact) |
| 16:00.41 | simonrvn | i'd say the same |
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| 16:00.53 | petemc | iis6 isnt that bad... |
| 16:00.58 | jetx | and corporations buy win web servers |
| 16:01.25 | grimdonkey | why is that? |
| 16:01.25 | dvs | does that make corporations smart? |
| 16:01.32 | jetx | iis is a lot easier to admin for me the ignorant user |
| 16:01.35 | greycat | no, it makes them poorer. |
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| 16:02.04 | jetx | oh i typed that and my cat clawed me |
| 16:02.07 | asg | jetx: ignorant users should adminster anything |
| 16:02.08 | jetx | s/oh/ow/ |
| 16:02.16 | asg | s/should/should not/ |
| 16:02.19 | jetx | s/should/shouldn't? / |
| 16:02.20 | jetx | heh' |
| 16:02.23 | dvs | smart cat. Doesn't like iis ;-) |
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| 16:02.55 | dcell | what is the debian way of configuring things to execute at certain runlevels (similar to chkconfig)? |
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| 16:03.00 | jetx | ctcp this |
| 16:03.02 | jair_11 | How can I get all the printer drivers for my cupsys? |
| 16:03.20 | jair_11 | I have some basic ones but I do not have the list of all the brands? |
| 16:03.27 | jetx | linuxprinting.org might help |
| 16:03.39 | jair_11 | example Dell,HP,Brothers, etc.. |
| 16:03.44 | asg | dcell: update-rc.d, rcconf, or ln(1) |
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| 16:03.54 | jair_11 | jetx, ok thanks |
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| 16:04.08 | pipeline | jair_11: install "foomatic-filters" and "foomatic-filters-ppds" |
| 16:04.42 | pipeline | jair_11: then you can use "foomatic-gui" to configure CUPS very easily |
| 16:04.45 | simonrvn | ctcp that ;p |
| 16:04.48 | dcell | asg, with update-rc.d, can you give me an example to start cupsd on runlevel 5? |
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| 16:04.58 | jair_11 | pipeline, ohhh ok because I was trying to make the installation last time with another debian base distro and I could not make the printer work duplex printing |
| 16:04.59 | jetx | [11:02:55] --- Received a CTCP USERINFO from nova |
| 16:05.18 | simonrvn | i just did a time one |
| 16:05.21 | petemc | dcell: zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 16:05.23 | jair_11 | pipeline, I am using the KDE printer manager wich is my favorite |
| 16:05.31 | jetx | gah |
| 16:05.38 | jair_11 | pipeline, I don't really want more guis |
| 16:05.56 | durakomer | i write apt-get install ....... it comes to (Y/n) and i write Y then it stops. it says "abort". Can you help me? |
| 16:06.04 | jair_11 | pipeline, I am looking for the best way to install the driver for all the brands |
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| 16:06.32 | asg | dcell: update-rc.d cupsys start 99 5 . |
| 16:06.33 | dddani | whois caedes |
| 16:06.37 | tasos1 | Hi, does anyone know in which config file I can enter DNS IP's |
| 16:06.38 | Tuttle | does anybody here use firebird? |
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| 16:06.44 | asg | dcell: though for one link, using ln(1) is easier |
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| 16:06.45 | pooot | anyone familiar with good crm software/ |
| 16:06.46 | petemc | Tuttle: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:06.48 | dvs | tasos: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:06.52 | petemc | gah |
| 16:06.56 | durakomer | i write apt-get install ....... it comes to (Y/n) and i write Y then it stops. it says "abort". Can you help me? |
| 16:07.01 | simonrvn | durakomer: when you see something like "(Y/n)" it just means that the capitalised letter is the default one |
| 16:07.02 | pipeline | jair_11: the kde print gui and the gnome-cups-manager both screen-scrape the cups web interface |
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| 16:07.10 | simonrvn | durakomer: please stop repeating |
| 16:07.19 | pipeline | jair_11: foomatic-gui uses the foomatic scripts. You'll want the "foomatic-filters" and "foomatic-filters-ppds" packages regardless. |
| 16:07.28 | dcell | asg, thanks |
| 16:07.32 | asg | dcell: you're welcome |
| 16:07.33 | pipeline | jair_11: They provide pre-set-up drivers for hundreds of printers |
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| 16:07.39 | durakomer | simonrvn: i write Y but i still have error |
| 16:07.40 | relbs | Can anyone recommend a tool for taking an MPEG and converting it to a series of image files, one per frame? |
| 16:07.44 | pooot | sales force management, structured marketing campaign systems and the likes... |
| 16:07.51 | nova | How do i install linux? |
| 16:07.57 | asg | nova: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 16:07.57 | tasos1 | thank you but the resolv.conf file gets updated automatically and erases the entered ip's |
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| 16:08.05 | simonrvn | durakomer: you can just hit return |
| 16:08.07 | simonrvn | nova: very carefully |
| 16:08.11 | asg | nova: also, /msg dpkg ig |
| 16:08.39 | jair_11 | pipeline, yes correct, then I will install the filters and the ppds ;) |
| 16:08.41 | durakomer | i hit return |
| 16:08.46 | jair_11 | pipeline, thank you though |
| 16:09.04 | pipeline | jair_11: I still think you will find it better to deal with foomatic-bin or foomatic-gui packages instead of struggling with the CUPS interface directly :P |
| 16:09.11 | durakomer | simonrvn: after i hit return it still says "Abort." |
| 16:09.26 | dottedquad | what's the command to remove a folder and all of it's contents in it? |
| 16:09.31 | tasos1 | dvs: thank you but the resolv.conf file gets updated dynamically and erases the entered ip's |
| 16:09.32 | jair_11 | pipeline, I will check my friend |
| 16:09.35 | simonrvn | then run it again. old bug that got fixed |
| 16:09.37 | jair_11 | thank you, |
| 16:09.38 | stew | dottedquad: man rm |
| 16:09.59 | jair_11 | pipeline, do you know if the debian sarge start the openssh by booting? |
| 16:10.00 | EdibleText | tasos1, man 5 dhclient.conf; vim /etc/dhclient.cong |
| 16:10.06 | Tuttle | tasos1: then you might be using DHCP |
| 16:10.13 | petemc | tasos1: apt-cache show resolvconf |
| 16:10.19 | EdibleText | s/cong/conf |
| 16:10.26 | dvs | tasos: Stop using dhcp |
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| 16:10.38 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 16:10.50 | tasos1 | dvs: thanks I'll give it a try |
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| 16:11.45 | pipeline | jair_11: I don't remember. If you install the "openssh" package, it will. It may be installed by default. |
| 16:11.52 | durakomer | simonvrn: "then run it again. old bug that got fixed" what i run? |
| 16:11.52 | dottedquad | alright thx, one problem i'm stuck in the man and can't get out |
| 16:11.56 | smhar_ | where does apt put wine in the kde menu? |
| 16:12.00 | jair_11 | pipeline, yes I installed |
| 16:12.20 | EdibleText | dottedquad, hit 'q' |
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| 16:12.26 | dottedquad | ahh thx |
| 16:12.38 | jair_11 | pipeline, but the way I can start it and stop it is -> /etc/init.d/sshd start? |
| 16:12.46 | simonrvn | apt-get install ... |
| 16:12.58 | nova | What do you think of Knoppix? |
| 16:13.26 | simonrvn | !tell nova -about polls |
| 16:13.30 | EdibleText | what is th eurl for the '#debian relationship' graph? |
| 16:13.35 | pipeline | jair_11: Yes. But it should start on boot if it is installed. |
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| 16:13.59 | durakomer | simonvrn: it says same |
| 16:14.11 | durakomer | simonvrn: still Abort. |
| 16:14.23 | asg | nova: the folks in #knoppix are gaga over it, you should ask them. |
| 16:14.45 | jair_11 | yes but I do not want to make it start from boot I want to be able of start it manually |
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| 16:14.53 | jair_11 | pipeline, yes but I do not want to make it start from boot I want to be able of start it manually |
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| 16:15.41 | pipeline | jair_11: You run the script you just mentioned with arguments "start" or "stop" or "restart" |
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| 16:15.49 | jair_11 | not yet |
| 16:16.32 | jair_11 | pipeline, I was not sure if is correct. |
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| 16:16.55 | sml | I made a directory "rwx-wx--- foo foo-group" thinking that the person in foogroup would be able to put files there but not read them. these users dont have shell access only ftp access (ok I could use sticky bit here) however ftp gives 450 Permission denied on doing a LIST, however on a put it gives 450 : Permission denied which is *bad*. Have I done somethign wrong or is ftp just shite, and its not letting me do a put just because it cant stat the directory fi |
| 16:17.51 | jair_11 | pipeline, the script works |
| 16:18.20 | jair_11 | pipeline, I stoped but how can I make it start manually instead automatic? on boot? |
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| 16:19.08 | stew | jair_11: man update-rc.d |
| 16:19.12 | greycat | !wikifaq sml Permissions |
| 16:19.12 | dpkg | sml: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:20.03 | jair_11 | stew, thank you |
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| 16:20.20 | jair_11 | pipeline, all the drivers works thank you my friend |
| 16:20.27 | greycat | sml: personally, I'd probably strace the ftpd to see what it *is* doing. |
| 16:20.33 | jair_11 | pipeline, the printers drivers are listed now cool. |
| 16:20.38 | greycat | sml: but if you can't read strace output yet, don't ask us to read it for you |
| 16:21.04 | jair_11 | guys what will be the difference between the normal driver and the postscript one? |
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| 16:21.53 | dvs | jair_11: What printer are we talking about? |
| 16:22.05 | Equinox | Anyone around Miami/Ft. Lauderdale FL area? |
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| 16:22.31 | Equinox | debian-es? |
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| 16:23.12 | sml | greycat: for a test... i gave the user in foogroup a shell. then i logged in. then i did ls ., which gave ls: .: Permission denied. all good. i then did cp /etc/passwd ., then su to root ls -l gives "passwd". i.e. its the ftp dameon being a retard and not me (for once) |
| 16:23.20 | gamjah | eps |
| 16:23.25 | jair_11 | dvs, is a dell M5200 |
| 16:23.44 | dvs | jair_11: So it takes PCL as well? |
| 16:23.49 | greycat | sml: which ftpd? |
| 16:23.50 | sml | greycat: or....... its the ftp client being *dumb* by trying to do a LIST before doing the put, I should maybe use lftp and debug it. |
| 16:23.59 | jair_11 | dvs, I finish all the kde wizard menu and then it is asking me for a User name and password for the printer system? |
| 16:24.01 | greycat | sml: ah, good point... I didn't think of the client |
| 16:24.01 | sml | greycat: proftpd |
| 16:24.15 | greycat | sml: I scrapped proftpd here because it wouldn't use NIS groups properly. |
| 16:24.18 | jair_11 | why printer system is asking me for a user name & password? |
| 16:24.24 | dvs | jair_11: For CUPS, the userid is "admin" and the password is your root password |
| 16:24.24 | sml | greycat: I can turn on the ExtenedLog with proftpd to traace the client ;) |
| 16:24.34 | sml | greycat: I scrapped it here because it cant do SSL. |
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| 16:24.43 | jair_11 | dvs, yes but I do not have the option on the linux driver list I have here. |
| 16:24.49 | stew | greycat: i'm suprised you haven't scrapped *ftpd yet |
| 16:24.50 | jair_11 | dvs, okkk |
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| 16:25.02 | greycat | stew: wish I could. we have users who insist on it. |
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| 16:25.10 | stew | greycat: unfortunately, same here |
| 16:25.13 | fbeyer | Hey WLAN pros in here? |
| 16:25.14 | dvs | jair_11: Do you want your users mucking around with the printer drivers without your knowledge? |
| 16:26.20 | fbeyer | Anyone in here who can help me with a WiFi problem? |
| 16:26.23 | sml | greycat: ok ive done an ExtendedLog /var/log/ftp.log ALL, lets see what this puppy is smoking! |
| 16:27.13 | jair_11 | dvs, nope |
| 16:27.15 | smhar | anyone knows of a good robot programming game for linux? |
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| 16:28.06 | jair_11 | dvs, but is weird I tryed usernames : admin, root, user, and the root password and nothing ? I am using the KDE printer wizard |
| 16:28.26 | fbeyer | My prob: "iwlist scan" finds the access point, all "iwconfig" settings are allright but it still wont connect |
| 16:28.26 | dvs | jair_11: Oh. I thought you were using CUPS |
| 16:28.30 | jair_11 | dvs, I never have to supply a password using this wizard before |
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| 16:28.35 | jair_11 | dvs, nope |
| 16:29.08 | stew | fbeyer: are you missing the wep key maybe? |
| 16:29.28 | stew | fbeyer: you could post the outoput of both commands to #flood or /msg dpkg paster |
| 16:29.34 | jair_11 | dvs, It have to be something with this kde system or with the cups? |
| 16:29.36 | fbeyer | stew: no |
| 16:29.43 | fbeyer | stew: prob: he was connected |
| 16:29.47 | dvs | jair_11: I don't use KDE so I can't say |
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| 16:29.53 | fbeyer | stew: but wont reconnect |
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| 16:29.59 | stew | fbeyer: do you see the APs hwaddress in iwconfig? |
| 16:30.06 | fbeyer | no |
| 16:30.24 | fbeyer | stew: but iwlist scan finds it including mac address |
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| 16:30.46 | fbeyer | stew: can i somehow force it to reconnect? |
| 16:31.38 | stew | fbeyer: i dunno. if all the parameters in iwconfig are right it should just connect |
| 16:31.43 | sml | greycat: its the client. its does an PORT then NLIST then STOR. I think doing the NLIST before is a bit braindead. |
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| 16:31.58 | fbeyer | stew: ok thx |
| 16:32.04 | stew | fbeyer: but this would all be dependent on the driver |
| 16:33.22 | fbeyer | stew: it was connected, seems that i have left and reentered the net range |
| 16:33.23 | crashbg | where is debian's equivalent of /etc/conf.d/ ? |
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| 16:33.59 | asg | crashbg: what does one usually find in /etc/conf.d ? |
| 16:34.08 | greycat | where's debian's equivalent of $(dd if=/dev/random bs=100 count=1 | tr -dc 'A-Za-z0-9') ? |
| 16:34.28 | greycat | (#debian question generator v0.01) |
| 16:34.31 | asg | heh |
| 16:35.04 | id10t | nice |
| 16:35.10 | crashbg | :) sorry i have s script which has to be placed in /etc/conf.d/ but under gentoo |
| 16:35.22 | jair_11 | I did the installation and configuration using the cupsys localhost:631 and it works cool. |
| 16:35.25 | id10t | whats the script do? |
| 16:35.27 | asg | crashbg: and what happens when you place it there in gentoo? |
| 16:35.34 | jair_11 | dvs, I did the installation and configuration using the cupsys localhost:631 and it works cool. |
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| 16:35.52 | dvs | jair_11: I guess you did a test page, eh? |
| 16:36.18 | crashbg | it's a bluetooth script for symbian devices, i just don't know where to put it after i have no such a directory |
| 16:36.31 | alfatau | hi, where could i verify it an ASUS A8V Deluxe motherboard (skt 939 KT8T800Pro) is supported by debian sarge? or if it's supported in a new kernel release that i can update after having installed debian? and, last question, what about debian/linux AMD64 support?? |
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| 16:37.05 | greycat | you don't know *anything* yet. |
| 16:37.15 | asg | alfatau: for the latter, try #debian-amd64 |
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| 16:37.20 | greycat | so why do you assume that a half-assed unknown randomly chosen directory name that doesn't exist in Debian will enlighten you? |
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| 16:37.38 | dottedquad | i think rm only does files.. i tried doing rm -d directoryname but it said it could delete it because it was a directory |
| 16:37.47 | dottedquad | couldn't* |
| 16:37.48 | greycat | dottedquad: rmdir, or rm -rf (dangerous) |
| 16:37.57 | sml | crashbg: conf.d just set's various variables for the runlevel scripts. under debian they're all under /etc/init.d/* and they're usually in the same file rather than in some seperate one like in gentoo. |
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| 16:38.05 | dottedquad | ohh |
| 16:38.17 | dottedquad | i always have the netinstall cd if i screw something up :-) |
| 16:38.21 | greycat | sml: which begs the question, WHY is he trying to put a "script" in there? |
| 16:38.24 | crashbg | sml, 10x :) |
| 16:38.35 | alfatau | asg: thank you! :) |
| 16:38.38 | dvs | alfatau: I'd say it pretty safe that most things would work with Debian. The RAID controller might be the most questionable part. |
| 16:38.39 | asg | alfatau: you're welcome |
| 16:38.39 | valdyn_ | alfatau: should be, supported just fine, not sure which NIC you have on it though |
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| 16:38.47 | sml | crashbg: i mean the variables that define the behaviour such as command line arguments etc. however are you using gentoo ?! if so this is the wrong channel. |
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| 16:39.06 | sml | greycat: good question lol. |
| 16:39.17 | crashbg | sml, no if used gentoo i would have the dir and not askin :) |
| 16:39.32 | greycat | but you'd still be utterly clueless. |
| 16:39.34 | sml | crashbg: but debian doesnt use any file called conf.d. |
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| 16:39.44 | crashbg | it's a directory |
| 16:39.48 | crashbg | in gentoo |
| 16:39.56 | greycat | which does what? |
| 16:40.08 | sml | crashbg: there is a etc/apt/apt.conf.d ;) |
| 16:40.20 | crashbg | it connects to my symbian sx1 mobile phone and uses it's filesystem locally |
| 16:40.22 | kirtss | does anybody speak portuguese |
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| 16:40.24 | kirtss | ? |
| 16:40.28 | greycat | !br |
| 16:40.28 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:40.52 | BenDrake | hey all, I am using Debian Sarge with Fluxbox. And I am wondering how to set my mouse speed |
| 16:40.58 | asg | BenDrake: man xset |
| 16:41.10 | kirtss | como eu uso? |
| 16:41.17 | greycat | crashbg: ok, let's start all over. You have a "script", of some kind, right? What does it do? |
| 16:41.25 | greycat | crashbg: what do you *want* to do with it? |
| 16:41.39 | sml | crashbg: but the actuall script *even under gentoo* doesn't reside in /etc/conf.d. only the paramters and variables for the script which will actually be under /etc/init.d |
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| 16:41.55 | greycat | dpkg, br =~ s,#debian-br,#debian-br (/j #debian-br), |
| 16:41.56 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 16:41.56 | jc-denton | what's a good tool to repair xfs |
| 16:41.57 | greycat | !br |
| 16:41.57 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:41.59 | sml | crashbg: have you done "more /etc/conf.d/<name of file>" ? |
| 16:42.00 | crashbg | greycat, my mistake - i found that the sctips is of 2 parts |
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| 16:42.21 | crashbg | one part has to be in /etc/init.d |
| 16:42.38 | crashbg | which calls the file in /etc/conf.d/ |
| 16:42.39 | greycat | that makes a LOT more sense. |
| 16:42.45 | asg | greycat: sounds like some /etc/default/foo gentoo style |
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| 16:42.48 | sml | crashbg: and the parameters and variables that define the behavious of that script in /etc/init.d is what you're looking at :-) |
| 16:42.57 | greycat | normal unix systems like debian use /etc/default/ instead of /etc/conf.d/ (or /etc/rc.config.d/ as in HP-UX or .... or ....) |
| 16:42.59 | crashbg | yea sml no it's clear "_ |
| 16:43.01 | greycat | but it's just |
| 16:43.10 | greycat | but it's just "a place where I look for my configs" |
| 16:43.21 | crashbg | i'll just modify the location of te 2nd script to match the one called from init.d |
| 16:43.39 | crashbg | greycat, thank you too :) |
| 16:44.20 | BenDrake | hmmm. getting pretty technical as far as mouse speed. |
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| 16:44.53 | simonrvn | jc-denton: apt-get install xfsprogs |
| 16:45.06 | greycat | dpkg, /etc/conf.d is gentoo's version of /etc/default |
| 16:45.07 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 16:45.39 | asg | No soap, honkie-lips. (haven't seen that sudo insult before) |
| 16:45.55 | jc-denton | somebody here recommended me also a disk repairing tool (not fsck) but i cannot remember it's name :( |
| 16:46.16 | sml | jc-denton: fsck.ext2 ;) ? |
| 16:46.22 | crashbg | greycat, dpkg learned something thanks to me :)))))) just kidding |
| 16:46.22 | Gavrila | has anyone here successfully setup power management on a dell inspiron 6000? |
| 16:46.25 | jc-denton | no |
| 16:46.36 | jc-denton | i used it to repair the mbr |
| 16:46.44 | asg | Gavrila: check tuxmobile.org for user stories |
| 16:46.48 | BenDrake | is there a config tool i can dl for the mouse? |
| 16:46.48 | jc-denton | simonrvn: already tried xfsprogs |
| 16:46.52 | greycat | I would have *guessed* that it was like /etc/default except that you seemed to think that putting a script in it would have some sort of effect in the boot process, which threw me off. |
| 16:46.57 | sml | greycat: i didn't know about /etc/default. |
| 16:47.00 | migotka | what can be wrong with my kdm? I cant type my nick or password when I log in. I had to take option "console login" |
| 16:47.05 | simonrvn | jc-denton: well that's where it is |
| 16:47.24 | simonrvn | xfs_repair, like dpkg -L would've told you |
| 16:47.35 | sml | I'm off for a curry in 10 minutes! |
| 16:47.38 | sml | wohooooooooooooooooo |
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| 16:47.44 | simonrvn | mmmm curry |
| 16:47.49 | asg | sml: bah, lucky. |
| 16:48.03 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:48.22 | valdyn_ | greycat: gentoo have their network config there too ( like debians /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:48.35 | greycat | and hp-ux has its network config in /etc/rc.config.d/netconf |
| 16:48.37 | jc-denton | simonrvn: i know these tools |
| 16:48.46 | jc-denton | but is there another? |
| 16:48.47 | greycat | (among other places) |
| 16:48.59 | Gavrila | asg nobody has reported there, so I asked here |
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| 16:49.05 | CodeWarrior_ | hello guys ! |
| 16:49.05 | valdyn_ | so /etc/default/ aint the same |
| 16:49.05 | simonrvn | jc-denton: no |
| 16:49.09 | asg | Gavrila: oh, okay |
| 16:49.17 | Gavrila | well nobody has about what I'm asking |
| 16:49.26 | sml | bye bye all. curry time. i know i said 10 minutes but i cant wait! |
| 16:49.28 | sml | adios! |
| 16:49.32 | simonrvn | jc-denton: you can do fancy shit with one of them, though. gets in deeper than xfs_repair |
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| 16:49.47 | jair_11 | dvs, that is weird I will have to check on the #kde to see why it was asking me for that username and pasword? |
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| 16:49.57 | dvs | jair_11: OK |
| 16:50.07 | jair_11 | dvs, maybe because I install this distro clean and fresh debian |
| 16:50.14 | simonrvn | but xfs_repair is just a frontend for it. just that with the other one, you can specify different options |
| 16:50.21 | dvs | jair_11: I have no idea |
| 16:50.29 | simonrvn | xfs_<tab> |
| 16:50.31 | jair_11 | dvs, but it is working now after I installed using cupsys |
| 16:50.46 | dvs | jair_11: That's what I use. |
| 16:51.00 | RRT | do i install sarge with pcmcia wireless card in slot? |
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| 16:51.04 | jair_11 | dvs, where could I change the openssh to start manually instead on boot? |
| 16:51.10 | jair_11 | ok |
| 16:51.26 | valdyn_ | RRT: up to you |
| 16:51.31 | jc-denton | simonrvn: well thx anyway for trying to help |
| 16:52.13 | dvs | jair_11: Create the file /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
| 16:52.27 | jair_11 | hmm |
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| 16:52.40 | jair_11 | dvs, and what I will put in the file? |
| 16:52.44 | RRT | does it need to identify hardware during the install? actually i had a dlink card and recompiled the kernel, the exchanged for a belkin. would i be better to reinstall sarge from scratch? |
| 16:52.48 | dvs | jair_11: nothing |
| 16:52.57 | valdyn_ | RRT: no |
| 16:53.34 | valdyn_ | RRT: thats in fact a silly idea to reinstall b/c of a changed nic |
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| 16:53.50 | [0 | hy |
| 16:54.00 | [0 | i am paolo |
| 16:54.00 | RRT | learned trait from redmond. :) |
| 16:54.11 | dvs | No you are [0 |
| 16:54.23 | [0 | paolo from italy |
| 16:54.49 | valdyn_ | [0: type /nick paolo, dont tell us |
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| 16:55.04 | stew | !it |
| 16:55.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 16:56.29 | [0 | i have just finist to buy on e-bay the cpu and the soundblaster for my new pc |
| 16:56.54 | [0 | then i need to buy all the other things |
| 16:57.36 | Klowner_ | lol |
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| 16:58.01 | tchmnkyz | hey all |
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| 16:58.09 | tchmnkyz | am having a weird problem with my sarge box |
| 16:58.21 | tchmnkyz | it seems gnome will randomly restart its self |
| 16:58.28 | tchmnkyz | anyone got an idea why? |
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| 16:58.44 | asg | tchmnkyz: I think that's part of gnome's standard operating procedure |
| 16:58.50 | tchmnkyz | bull |
| 16:58.51 | pingouin_ | :) |
| 16:59.01 | tchmnkyz | b4 this last update it did not do it |
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| 16:59.03 | tchmnkyz | now it does |
| 16:59.07 | BenDrake | hmmm, why is it that when I use hotplug for usb, I get a 'Bad USB invocation, no action' |
| 16:59.10 | asg | tchmnkyz: then check the bts |
| 16:59.10 | tchmnkyz | i am trying another update |
| 16:59.26 | tchmnkyz | bts? |
| 16:59.29 | asg | !bts |
| 16:59.30 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:59.37 | tchmnkyz | k |
| 16:59.53 | oby | whois interested to see something about free software ethic |
| 17:00.09 | tchmnkyz | oby not here man sorry |
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| 17:00.27 | asg | asg@rob:~$ whois interested to see something about free software ethic |
| 17:00.27 | asg | No whois server is known for this kind of object. |
| 17:00.35 | tchmnkyz | lol |
| 17:00.37 | asg | oby: try somewhere else |
| 17:01.20 | oby | can visit http://www-gnu-linux.it/17/rev-os.mpg |
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| 17:02.07 | asg | oby: erm, last time I saw, revolution os was not available for free. |
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| 17:02.26 | asg | !tell root_ about root |
| 17:02.30 | oby | yes , it is right |
| 17:02.51 | oby | but i do not see why rms must speak for copyright |
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| 17:03.16 | Becca | Hi.. I have an odd question. I just recently updated my computer system to an AMD 2400+ with 512 megs of ram. Looking at top, I noticed Xfree86 has started using a lot more virt memory (about 2x to 3x the amount it used on the older machine.) Is this normal? |
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| 17:03.42 | oby | the community speak about freedom and with the dvd rev-os they have realizated a dvd under copyright |
| 17:03.43 | Becca | Its the standard debian package with the 2.6.8 debian install from net using sarge, if this matters any. |
| 17:03.58 | valdyn_ | Becca: which applications are you running in X? |
| 17:04.08 | zinx | Becca: did you switch video cards? |
| 17:04.10 | dj_ | orale carnals |
| 17:04.11 | tchmnkyz | Becca, how much? |
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| 17:04.15 | Becca | I have open office running, mozilla running, gaim and xchat |
| 17:04.15 | valdyn_ | Becca: iows, applications *make* X use memory |
| 17:04.27 | Becca | yes, I went from a laptop to a full desktop |
| 17:04.35 | Becca | so the memory is probably from the new video card? |
| 17:04.36 | valdyn_ | Becca: your memory observations are quite unsurprising then |
| 17:04.39 | Bac9 | can anyone recomend a good printer->fax gateway that can be usable via lpr and samba without any special formating of the actual document? |
| 17:04.49 | asg | oby: it was released in an unencumbered format |
| 17:04.52 | Becca | And this is the same programs I was running on the laptop as well |
| 17:05.07 | asg | oby: go check the site selling it instead of warezing it here |
| 17:05.07 | tchmnkyz | HP makes some good ones |
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| 17:05.13 | Becca | Nothing has changed besides having a whole new system rather than the laptop :) |
| 17:05.20 | oby | i thinked to take and put on my hhtp |
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| 17:05.29 | valdyn_ | Becca run xrestop ( or if you dont have it, apt-get install xrestop ) |
| 17:05.37 | Becca | Maybe its the onboard video card? I guess X would take as much memory as it would need on an onboard card, right? |
| 17:05.48 | Becca | I mean, its not an issue so much as a curiousity :) |
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| 17:05.48 | valdyn_ | Becca: no, nonsense |
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| 17:06.00 | valdyn_ | Becca: just run xrestop, it will tell you |
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| 17:07.22 | Becca | Ok, I got something called Gecko, which i have no idea what that is. |
| 17:07.39 | zinx | Becca: X maps memory off the video card, so if you changed the amount of video ram, it may appear to be using more ram |
| 17:07.42 | valdyn_ | Becca: your webbrowsers rendering engine |
| 17:08.18 | Becca | zinx: I'd assume it got massively upped then -- went from whatever came in the T20 thinkpad (from years ago) to an onboard shared 64 meg vid card |
| 17:09.42 | Becca | I think I'm in love with this computer now... :) |
| 17:10.19 | Becca | Thanks for the help/information. I really appreciate it. :) |
| 17:10.32 | Rebecca | lol |
| 17:10.45 | Becca | Hey, I like the name Rebecca ;) |
| 17:10.59 | Rebecca | tis a fastastic name :) |
| 17:11.03 | jc-denton | there was one other tool i used to repair the mbr |
| 17:11.05 | Becca | Yea, no kiddin, eh? :) |
| 17:11.08 | jc-denton | not sure how it's called |
| 17:11.10 | Rebecca | lol |
| 17:11.22 | jc-denton | and can't find it with apt-cache search.. |
| 17:11.23 | Setanta | twobeccas |
| 17:11.26 | Becca | grub, jc? |
| 17:11.39 | Setanta | Star wars fans are you? |
| 17:11.41 | Becca | I think thats what its called. urf. |
| 17:11.51 | Becca | *L* Thats an old one Setanta ;) |
| 17:12.06 | Setanta | I'm old :( |
| 17:12.17 | Rebecca | Setanta: me? |
| 17:12.20 | Becca | I feel old, if that matters for anything :) |
| 17:12.22 | jc-denton | no not grub |
| 17:12.31 | jc-denton | its a file system tool |
| 17:12.38 | jc-denton | which also checks the partition table i think |
| 17:12.44 | Becca | fdisk? |
| 17:12.48 | jc-denton | no |
| 17:12.51 | jc-denton | i know fdisk |
| 17:12.58 | Becca | Beyond that, wouldn't know what to tell you, sorry |
| 17:13.10 | jc-denton | it's not fdisk cfdisk or something |
| 17:13.12 | Becca | I use grub to repair my MBR -- if it needs more than a running of grub, I know I'm in trouble :) |
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| 17:13.41 | jc-denton | well the strange thing was that it didn't work with lilo (the machine had an old system |
| 17:13.42 | tchmnkyz | could always boot a windows xp disk and fixmb |
| 17:13.47 | tchmnkyz | fixmbr |
| 17:14.00 | jc-denton | Becca: thx anyway for guessing ;) |
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| 17:14.07 | jc-denton | lol tchmnkyz |
| 17:14.26 | sgeigerbot | tchmnkyz: isn't it "fdisk /mbr" anymore? |
| 17:14.31 | tchmnkyz | naw |
| 17:14.37 | tchmnkyz | xp got a nice tool |
| 17:14.40 | tchmnkyz | fixmbr |
| 17:14.46 | tchmnkyz | will install a windows mbr for you |
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| 17:14.49 | tchmnkyz | lol |
| 17:14.50 | leshaste | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.58 | sgeigerbot | tchmnkyz: how is that any better than "fdisk /mbr"? |
| 17:15.03 | tchmnkyz | lol |
| 17:15.12 | Becca | Anyway, I gotta run. Thanks again! |
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| 17:15.19 | tchmnkyz | its not |
| 17:15.24 | tchmnkyz | it is actualy worse |
| 17:15.27 | tchmnkyz | but more fun |
| 17:15.27 | tchmnkyz | lol |
| 17:15.33 | EdibleText | sgeigerbot, none of those confusing backslashes to deal with |
| 17:15.48 | EdibleText | sgeigerbot, er fwd slash even |
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| 17:16.06 | sgeigerbot | EdibleText: yeah, technical people shouldn't have to deal with technical details like that |
| 17:16.59 | EdibleText | sgeigerbot, exactly /me configures his server with the help of a Wizard |
| 17:17.09 | jc-denton | ah i found it |
| 17:17.10 | jc-denton | called testdisk |
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| 17:18.19 | greycat | +e or +E? |
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| 17:18.36 | caphuso | greycat: +e, ban excemption |
| 17:18.37 | tchmnkyz | greycat, ??? |
| 17:18.38 | Rawplayer | -,- |
| 17:18.39 | oguz | hi all |
| 17:19.07 | oguz | i was looking at my dmesg output |
| 17:19.17 | oguz | here is something looks to be fixed |
| 17:19.18 | greycat | caphuso: I thought it was +E, but ok... |
| 17:19.20 | oguz | i dont know what it is |
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| 17:19.24 | oguz | PnPBIOS: Warning! Your PnP BIOS caused a fatal error. Attempting to continue |
| 17:19.24 | greycat | apparently I was wrong |
| 17:19.24 | oguz | PnPBIOS: You may need to reboot with the "nobiospnp" option to operate stably |
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| 17:19.38 | caphuso | greycat: +E is the umode for blocking /msg'es from unidentified nicks |
| 17:20.14 | BadMan | nice... |
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| 17:21.36 | caligula | hi |
| 17:21.43 | caligula | I need a patch for devfs, I downloaded that, but patching fail |
| 17:21.50 | caligula | is devfs supported in 2.4.30 ? |
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| 17:22.07 | the_minister | i assume you cannot do this, just double checking.. is it possible to assign a LABEL to a firewire dvd drive, in order to use the LABLE in /etc/fstab? i assume not, unless the drive has a rom for that sort of thing, but one can hope... |
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| 17:24.03 | DarknessX | I've been having an issue for a few days, with exim4-daemon-light. When it tries to set up, it just spits out a big configuration file ("main/01_exim4-config_listmacrosdefs"), and then stops working. I can't uninstall exim4 because dpkg halts without everything configured; I can't finish the installation because of this configuration issue. Does anybody have any ideas? I've looked online and haven't found anything. |
| 17:24.07 | Bac9 | can anyone recomend a good printer->fax gateway that can be usable via lpr and samba without any special formating of the actual document? |
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| 17:24.25 | pingouin_ | Bac9: did you check linuxprinting.org ? |
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| 17:25.28 | Bac9 | pingouin_: nope, what am I looking for? I know there are many that exist, lprfax, sambafax, etc but they either require special formatting or parameters which I have no clue how to set up with samba |
| 17:25.36 | EdibleText | Bac9, salsafax perhaps, if I understood your request properly |
| 17:25.50 | oby | first <asg> asked me if revolution os movie was or with copyright |
| 17:26.15 | oby | i reply to <asg> certenly |
| 17:26.26 | jelly | how often are the packages at http://packages.debian.org updated? |
| 17:26.42 | EdibleText | Bac9, at somepoint in the process you convert the document to postscript. from there its gets converted to tif or pdf or whatever you need |
| 17:26.46 | oby | but i want say to <asg> that for me who have realizated the movie |
| 17:26.53 | pingouin_ | Bac9: amha, start linuxprinting.org, then go to your favorite computer shop, mine let me try hardware few days to be sure it work under linux, try |
| 17:26.56 | takatumi | oby: are you sure asg said those same words? |
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| 17:27.02 | oby | have to do a big mistake |
| 17:27.10 | jelly | It reports slapd in testing as 2.1.30-something, while 2.2.something is on ftp. |
| 17:27.15 | Bac9 | EdibleText: how is the phone number get passed? |
| 17:27.15 | oby | we speak about freedom |
| 17:27.17 | oby | we speak about freedom |
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| 17:27.28 | jcm | hi, is the list server down ? i subscribed and posted to cdwrite@other.debian.org without getting any mail |
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| 17:27.43 | oby | no copyright, copyleft gpl, lgpl,gfdl |
| 17:27.45 | Bac9 | pingouin_: why do I need to go to a computer shop? |
| 17:27.58 | the_minister | can someone clarify if you can assing a label to a dvd-drive? |
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| 17:28.12 | EdibleText | Bac9, salsafax.pl parses the document for a certain string like "Fax:" and uses that to make the call |
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| 17:28.27 | Bac9 | EdibleText: as I understand it it salsafax needs specific text in the body of the documet |
| 17:28.34 | takatumi | the_minister: fgi |
| 17:28.42 | EdibleText | Bac9, yes the cover page |
| 17:28.47 | oby | why a movie where there is rms, ltb must be a movie to give right to others and to left to the community ? |
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| 17:28.52 | the_minister | takatumi: ??fgi>=??? |
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| 17:29.00 | takatumi | !fgi |
| 17:29.00 | dpkg | well, fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 17:29.08 | Bac9 | EdibleText: that's a bit anoying since the document can contain numbers for both sender and recipient, and if it's a nother string then it's duplication |
| 17:29.10 | oby | is stallamn speaking to a community for freedom or not ? |
| 17:29.25 | takatumi | oby: ask him. |
| 17:29.38 | oby | why this movie must be under copyright ? |
| 17:29.41 | Bac9 | EdibleText: are there any other options? what do you use? |
| 17:30.00 | oby | so if anyone thing that i do something that is not good |
| 17:30.03 | the_minister | takatumi: google was no help as 99% of results for a stirng involving a dvd or cd and labels refers to the labels on the media, not the drive, hence my asking in here. |
| 17:30.04 | EdibleText | Bac9, well I guess at that point you should create a standared coverpage for faxing. salsafax |
| 17:30.21 | oby | please send me a mail to rglug@yahoo.it |
| 17:30.25 | oby | so if anyone thing that i do something that is not good |
| 17:30.27 | oby | please send me a mail to rglug@yahoo.it |
| 17:30.38 | Bac9 | EdibleText: and how do you deal with recipient fax numbers? |
| 17:30.52 | Bac9 | EdibleText: just a standard cover page? |
| 17:30.56 | carlos-d-man | is it possible to install from a windows 98 over the network? my old BIOS does not recognize CDROMs :S |
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| 17:30.59 | oby | i have not |
| 17:31.04 | oby | i have not fax |
| 17:31.15 | EdibleText | Bac9, yeah. |
| 17:31.15 | asg | oby: it is copyrighted to prevent others from claiming they created it. No more, no less. |
| 17:31.17 | Bac9 | carlos-d-man: 6 diskettes |
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| 17:31.41 | oby | i pay 30 euros in italy |
| 17:31.45 | EdibleText | Bac9, just modified our companys existing coversheet. |
| 17:31.56 | asg | oby: freedom, as espoused by rms, doesn't imply no cost. |
| 17:32.01 | Bac9 | EdibleText: anoying... but oh well, maybe I should just consider e-mail->fax gateway, but that doesn't have convinience of printing to fax |
| 17:32.02 | carlos-d-man | where are they? |
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| 17:32.14 | the_minister | takatumi: it appears it is not possible, but i am hoping it is. When google fails due to vague terms, this channel is the next best option in finding a better search or a solution. |
| 17:32.21 | oby | and if i payid now it's mine |
| 17:32.29 | takatumi | the_minister: I agree. |
| 17:32.34 | Pappa | i don't mind paying if it's free :) |
| 17:32.52 | Bac9 | carlos-d-man: somewhere in the diskettes section, check the install howto, they are available for woody |
| 17:33.06 | asg | oby: that depends on how the law is in Italy. |
| 17:33.38 | the_minister | takatumi: any suggestions for a better search? |
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| 17:35.10 | Bac9 | EdibleText: is salsafax available in woody? |
| 17:35.19 | Bac9 | EdibleText: or is there a deb package for woody? |
| 17:35.24 | EdibleText | !info salsafax woody |
| 17:35.41 | EdibleText | !info salsafax |
| 17:35.51 | EdibleText | intresting |
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| 17:36.11 | EdibleText | Bac9, I beleive its just a perl script |
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| 17:37.12 | EdibleText | Bac9, http://www.purpel3.nl/sambafax/salsafax_6B.html |
| 17:37.25 | EdibleText | bac you also need hyla-fax IIRC |
| 17:37.26 | Bac9 | EdibleText: I was just looking at courier-faxmail, looks quite handy, although I donno if I can use the version from backports.org without upgrading every other courier component on my system (woody) |
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| 17:37.50 | EdibleText | !info hyla-fax |
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| 17:38.12 | EdibleText | !hylafax |
| 17:38.18 | lex | heyas.... ne1 using postfix+amavis+clamav+spamass? I have a question: Can one make amavis scan every single email, regardless if its for or from a local domain? |
| 17:38.24 | Bac9 | EdibleText: yeah I read up on them, just wondering what's available for woody and if there's anything better |
| 17:38.58 | Bac9 | EdibleText: I was looking at lprfax as well, but I don't know how to pass phone number over samba (a command line parameter) |
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| 17:39.53 | Bac9 | EdibleText: I thing you're looking fot hylafax-server and hylafax-client |
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| 17:41.07 | CyberS | Hi! |
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| 17:41.57 | Thanatermesis | hello... |
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| 17:42.16 | Thanatermesis | how to look all the OP's conecteds (available) in one channel? |
| 17:42.32 | oguz | how can i see which sound system am i using: alsa or oss |
| 17:42.38 | oguz | i checked lsmod |
| 17:42.43 | crashbg | !runscript |
| 17:42.46 | oguz | i have some alsa modules and some oss modules |
| 17:42.53 | jair_11 | I have a printer connected to a printer server adapter with three LPT ports |
| 17:43.08 | crashbg | where is /sbin/runscript in debian :) or it's a stupid question again :) |
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| 17:43.34 | Opiated | back |
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| 17:43.37 | jair_11 | right now the printer is a color laser connected to it through the LPT1 and then is reached from any windows crap machine using the ip 192.168.1.103 |
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| 17:43.54 | jair_11 | I am trying to figure out how to configure that printer in cups |
| 17:44.00 | jair_11 | cupsys |
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| 17:45.18 | Equinox | Haven't seen that in a while.. |
| 17:45.20 | furrywolf | heh |
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| 17:45.33 | oguz | whats happening |
| 17:45.34 | BadMan | oops backup anyway |
| 17:45.44 | Gavrila | funny anyway |
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| 17:45.44 | tchmnkyz | wasnt that nice |
| 17:45.52 | Equinox | Floods still take people out? Seems rather doubtful |
| 17:46.02 | pingouin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.04 | tchmnkyz | it takes big flood |
| 17:46.05 | tchmnkyz | lol |
| 17:46.05 | asg | oguz: morons, just disregard |
| 17:46.18 | furrywolf | oguz: the bot automatically moderates the channel when it sees a flood, to keep them from continuing to flood. |
| 17:46.27 | BadMan | jair_11: no sure really I would think that cups would allow youto connect to a remote printer but you may need to use smbclient to do it.. not really sure |
| 17:46.29 | oguz | asg, ok |
| 17:46.33 | oguz | furrywolf, i see |
| 17:46.49 | oguz | asg, i asked a question did u see it? |
| 17:47.00 | oguz | furrywolf, i asked a question did you see it? |
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| 17:47.19 | asg | oguz: if you have some alsa modules listed, you are using alsa |
| 17:47.31 | asg | oguz: any oss modules listed are for alsa-oss compatibility |
| 17:48.28 | oguz | asg, snd_mixer_oss is it a alsa-oss module |
| 17:48.43 | oguz | asg, i have only snd_als4000 |
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| 17:49.08 | the_minister | wtf mate? |
| 17:49.20 | timo | what a pathetic attempt at flooding |
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| 17:49.49 | furrywolf | the hosts look like proxies/botnets... not too easy to ban them. |
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| 17:49.53 | FarrisG | I'm having a really odd problem. I have several folders owned by me:me, and the permissions are wide open, but I still can't read them. I get Permission denied just trying to cd |
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| 17:50.12 | Blissex | FarrisG: make sure the directory is 'x' too |
| 17:50.19 | Equinox | FarrisG- ls -ld <your directory> |
| 17:50.21 | crashbg | FarrisG, chmod 755 :) |
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| 17:50.25 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 17:50.29 | greycat | oh... already k-lined |
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| 17:50.39 | jeffrin | is there any command to download full debian source |
| 17:50.50 | furrywolf | jefferin: full debian source? |
| 17:50.51 | Equinox | ftp ;) |
| 17:50.52 | greycat | !wikifaq FarrisG Permissions |
| 17:50.53 | dpkg | FarrisG: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:50.53 | crashbg | apt-get source kernel-source... |
| 17:50.58 | crashbg | furrywolf, |
| 17:51.09 | jeffrin | furrywolf : yes |
| 17:51.16 | crashbg | it will donwload in the current dir |
| 17:51.30 | furrywolf | define full debian source. kernel source, like crashbg said, or the source to your full installation? :) |
| 17:51.55 | jeffrin | furrywolf : The source code of all debian packages |
| 17:52.01 | the_minister | what is a good source to look at concerning disk labels? can i assign a lable to a dvdrw? |
| 17:52.03 | Ikarus | jeffrin: OUCH |
| 17:52.12 | crashbg | jeffrin, it's on the cd's ? |
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| 17:52.22 | Ikarus | jeffrin: you can fetch all sources from the archive on FTP |
| 17:52.28 | Ikarus | jeffrin: but I am sure you don't want that |
| 17:52.32 | furrywolf | I'm not too sure why you'd want to do it... and you'd use quite a lot of bandwidth on some poor mirror site. :) |
| 17:52.33 | LoRez | jeffrin: debmirror |
| 17:52.35 | Ikarus | jeffrin: it barely fits on 1 DVD |
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| 17:52.48 | asg | oguz: /msg dpkg alsa (for more information) |
| 17:52.56 | crashbg | jeffrin, are you crazy man :) it's huge thing |
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| 17:53.17 | Setanta | the_minister: I didn't see anything to indicate you could on google. |
| 17:53.22 | stew | Ikarus: barely fits on 1 dvd? not even close, it would be on the order of 30gigs iirc |
| 17:53.27 | jeffrin | are there cd images of source available for download |
| 17:53.42 | furrywolf | why do you need all the source? |
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| 17:53.49 | Ikarus | stew: no, iirc the normal DVD images packet is 1DVD binary, 1 DVD source |
| 17:53.52 | the_minister | Setanta: that was my issue... google was only returing references to media labels, not drive labels. |
| 17:54.07 | Equinox | I seem to remember the source CDs being the same in number to the binary CDs |
| 17:54.07 | furrywolf | sure you can apt-get source every package available... but I don't see what good that would do. |
| 17:54.26 | Equinox | furrywolf- He could be a time traveler, going back in history. |
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| 17:54.46 | jeffrin | i want to keep a source code cd library and refer whenever necessary |
| 17:54.47 | stew | !dstats |
| 17:54.54 | greg_work | can anyone recommend a good firewall distro? |
| 17:54.55 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16673 packages, 1496 maintainers, 33238 MB installed size, 10694 MB compressed size. |
| 17:54.57 | stew | Ikarus: ^^ thats binary |
| 17:55.02 | furrywolf | equinox: agh! the casuality! |
| 17:55.03 | cat | greg_work: depends on you |
| 17:55.03 | furrywolf | :) |
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| 17:55.17 | Ikarus | stew: I am talking woody as released |
| 17:55.21 | greg_work | cat: i know linux, but i'm lazy ;) |
| 17:55.22 | furrywolf | causality |
| 17:55.22 | Equinox | furrywolf- I'd take the risk ;) |
| 17:55.23 | jair_11 | BadMan, that is weird |
| 17:55.43 | greg_work | i'd really like to have something that'll monitor per-port traffic usage, but i can always set that up later. |
| 17:55.49 | smhar | is openoffice1.14 in testing yet? |
| 17:55.52 | greycat | greg_work: openbsd |
| 17:55.59 | doug__ | on a photo website with pages of many thumbnails (many connections a click), if I want to decrease overall latency for each user at the expense of slowing down each individual's throughput, do I want to turn KeepAlive off so the server round robins responses to other users' clicks with lower latency? any other apache conf things i ought to tweak? |
| 17:56.00 | smhar | I mean 1.1.4 |
| 17:56.04 | jair_11 | I have the printer using a paralell cable attached to the port on the print server device |
| 17:56.11 | cbr | smhar: dont think so |
| 17:56.14 | jeffrin | lkarus : which is the ftp site to download source ... |
| 17:56.24 | Setanta | the_minister: googling fstab label dvd returns only hdd labels to mount them. I'd say they need to be writable to set it. |
| 17:56.38 | greg_work | greycat: i'm looking for a specific distro, i don't want to set it all up myself (see above re: lazy). something i can throw on a machine, spend a bit of time configuring, and have it active this afternoon |
| 17:56.53 | BadMan | jair_11: just a suggestion, you may have to make a mount for it of somesort kinda like capture printer port I jsut don't know what you would call it |
| 17:56.53 | smhar | cbr, so if I want 1.1.4 what are my options? |
| 17:57.07 | cbr | dunno |
| 17:57.13 | furrywolf | jefferin: your nearest debian mirror. preferably one you're directly connected to... |
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| 17:57.41 | Setanta | the_minister: If you only ever wanted to mount one dvd I spose you you could use the dvd's label. |
| 17:57.49 | stew | Ikarus: the woody dvd contains no source |
| 17:58.02 | Ikarus | stew: yes, it is on a SEPERATE DVD |
| 17:58.02 | BadMan | jair cups allows you to add a printer, select tcp...? |
| 17:58.04 | Setanta | the_minister: man fstab |
| 17:58.07 | stew | Ikarus: where is it? |
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| 17:58.10 | furrywolf | you may want to download 10gb of source, but most mirror admins probably don't think that's a good use of their bandwidth. |
| 17:58.16 | Ikarus | stew: in the package I bought |
| 17:58.20 | stew | Ikarus: ahh, nm i found it |
| 17:58.30 | fred | hI folks... one question about installing Debian... please help |
| 17:58.39 | Ikarus | stew: the supplier I buy from delivers source to go with it to avoid having to supply it at a later date (GPL) |
| 17:58.40 | jair_11 | BadMan, hmm but the thing is that I did the configuration before using FC3 and it works with no problem |
| 17:58.54 | jair_11 | BadMan, I guest I have to install or do something else |
| 17:58.56 | the_minister | Setanta: that was my assumption, but i cannot for the life of me think of a better way to set up my fstab for a machine that will have a collection of fw hdd, and a fw dvdrw that i want to be able to move around to different machines easily. my fear is that the other drives would mess up the device associated with the dvdrw, and if i didnt get things plugged in the same order/location every time the devs would be different |
| 17:58.56 | smhar | fred, just ask |
| 17:58.58 | fred | I just finished downloading the image debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso. Is this the lastest stable image? |
| 17:59.09 | jair_11 | BadMan, remember I install this sarge fresh and clean |
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| 17:59.30 | fred | does it come with a kernel that support multiple processors? |
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| 17:59.46 | BadMan | jair_11: yeah, how did you config it with woody? |
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| 18:00.13 | pmjdebruijn | lo is there a command to get a packages source and get it all patched up and ready to build, but not having it build by itself? |
| 18:00.14 | taddeus | hi, is there a way to know where files of a package are stored using dpkg ? |
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| 18:00.22 | caphuso | taddeus: dpkg -L foo |
| 18:00.27 | taddeus | tnx |
| 18:00.35 | Di | hi, is there someone who can help with APM? |
| 18:00.36 | smhar | fred, in debian, the stable is few years old.. if you want the 'latest' use testing or unstable |
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| 18:01.34 | fred | smhar, I see.. so I have to download Sarge? |
| 18:01.34 | oguz | snd, i ran the alsaconf again and now nolu control is not working |
| 18:01.58 | jair_11 | BadMan, I have never configure it with woody? |
| 18:02.07 | jair_11 | BadMan, I will look on google. |
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| 18:02.14 | BadMan | fred1: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 18:02.37 | smhar | fred, from what I know, almost no one will suggest you install 'stable' for your desktop, not even a new server.. |
| 18:02.42 | Di | how do you turn off the power source automaticly at logout using apm?? |
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| 18:02.49 | fred | actually I wanted Woody, which came out in January, right? But Im not sure which .iso, among all available in the mirrors, to download |
| 18:03.03 | smurfy | hi |
| 18:03.03 | fred | it is for a server |
| 18:03.12 | fred | BadMan, thanks, will do. |
| 18:03.13 | BadMan | jair_11: if you have cups installed(easily from kde control center) select peripherals, printers add printer class select remote printer(TCP) and try from there |
| 18:03.20 | Setanta | the_minister: If the fw (firewaire?) hhd have labels you can do it with them. The dvd is kinda different unless you keep the same disk it it it seems. |
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| 18:03.26 | smurfy | any one analys for me this iptables -a forward -s 192.168.0.2 -j accept |
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| 18:03.34 | oguz | asg, i ran the alsaconf again and now my volume control is not working |
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| 18:04.02 | Di | help whith APM please... |
| 18:04.12 | the_minister | Setanta: well, i will only have one dvdrw out of the bunch..... that is the only one that will be moved around, too |
| 18:04.38 | Equinox | smurfy- (I think it should be -A) .. Append rule if source address is 192.168.0.2 then allow it to pass from any interface to any interface |
| 18:04.44 | Equinox | smurfy- It should be -A FORWARD not -a forward |
| 18:04.59 | dottedquad | what does XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining |
| 18:05.07 | Equinox | smurfy- That does not include traffic sourced from or destined to the linux box itself(that is INPUT & OUTPUT) |
| 18:05.08 | oguz | asg, how can make the volume control work properly again |
| 18:05.11 | dottedquad | it does that when i do startx |
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| 18:05.30 | Setanta | the_minister: The firewire hd drives have or can be labeled. |
| 18:05.37 | Equinox | smurfy- And you'll need IP forwarding turned on via an echo 1 to a certain location in /proc whcih I forget. |
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| 18:06.13 | BadMan | dottedquad: look in your /var/log/XFree86.log.0 and look for (EE) and (WW) lines, those are likely your errors |
| 18:06.21 | fred | any clues anyone? |
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| 18:06.31 | dottedquad | alright |
| 18:06.38 | blackout | are there any wireless tools for debian that allow you to automagically connect to whichever profile in a list of profiles will work in your current location? |
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| 18:07.02 | BadMan | dottedquad: err /var/log/XFree86.0.log and look for (EE) and (WW) lines, those are likely your errors |
| 18:07.10 | jair_11 | BadMan, that is what I am trying to do with all of them differents to see which one works. |
| 18:07.10 | smhar | can I just download openoffice 1.1.4 from thier web site and use the installer install in in my sarge computer? |
| 18:07.16 | dottedquad | ya |
| 18:07.17 | pipe | BadMan: Yes, but fucked if I can remember the name of the package. |
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| 18:07.25 | pipe | smhar: Yes, but I don't think you want to do that. |
| 18:07.45 | pipe | smhar: The Debian-built version is much nicer than "generic" oo.o |
| 18:08.12 | oguz | my volume control is not working, i am using gnome 2.8.3, after i ran the alsaconf it is not able to increase sound or adjust from volume control |
| 18:08.20 | oguz | how can i fix it? |
| 18:08.37 | smhar | pipe, so I should wait forthe .deb to be available? |
| 18:08.49 | BadMan | smhar: its available via apt-get |
| 18:08.50 | streuner_ | oguz: apt-get install aumix |
| 18:09.02 | streuner_ | oguz: just use aumix |
| 18:09.08 | pipe | smhar: What, do you actually need some feature that's only in 1.1.4? |
| 18:09.20 | dottedquad | is there a short cut to just find the EE and WW lines? |
| 18:09.27 | oguz | streuner_, but i want to use volume control |
| 18:09.29 | the_minister | Setanta: thanks, i'll look into it |
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| 18:09.40 | streuner_ | oguz: its a known bug |
| 18:09.48 | oguz | streuner_, i have sound indeed |
| 18:09.58 | pipe | smhar: 1.1.4 is just a bugfix release |
| 18:10.01 | Opiated | it is the sceptor of jaar-gilon, it holds the powers of program creation, it can code or it can delete, the powers of MS are now obsolete! |
| 18:10.03 | oguz | streuner_, so the only solution is using aumix? |
| 18:10.20 | streuner_ | oguz: no, there many others, but i prefer aumix |
| 18:10.26 | streuner_ | oguz: are* |
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| 18:10.41 | pipe | oguz: Have you tried gnome-alsamixer ? |
| 18:10.44 | jeffrin | what is the wget command to download just the .tar.gz files from a directory |
| 18:10.54 | Opiated | i think the best one is alsamixergui |
| 18:10.56 | Setanta | dottedquad: egrep "EE|WW" XFree86.0.log? |
| 18:10.56 | Opiated | :) |
| 18:10.59 | pipe | jeffrin: Consult the man page for the "wildcard" options |
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| 18:11.15 | streuner_ | jeffrin: info wget have some examples |
| 18:11.21 | asg | dottedquad: egrep 'EE|WW' <logfile |
| 18:11.34 | Opiated | hey |
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| 18:11.40 | jaro | hello |
| 18:11.40 | BadMan | dottedquad: yeah there you go... |
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| 18:11.42 | Opiated | has anyone heard of this "Internet 2" crap |
| 18:11.46 | blackout | i'm a bit confused - if no one seems to know of a package that does what i'm asking for, how do people switch between wireless networks with debian? Just edit /etc/network/interfaces every time? |
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| 18:11.48 | oguz | pipe, ok i did but i just want volume control back |
| 18:11.51 | Opiated | http://www.internet2.edu/ |
| 18:11.56 | Opiated | whats up with this shit |
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| 18:12.07 | Opiated | supposed to some kind of suped up 'internet' |
| 18:12.09 | jaro | I have problem with phpbb from deb. From tar.gz all work |
| 18:12.10 | pipe | Opiated: Internet 2 is a high speed network between universities. |
| 18:12.16 | jaro | Can you help me? |
| 18:12.16 | oguz | streuner_, it was working a few minutes ago and whn i run the alsaconf to try again it lost the control |
| 18:12.25 | pipe | Opiated: It's not polluted by commercial traffic or other shit they don't care about, and they save lots of money doing it that way. |
| 18:12.37 | Opiated | word |
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| 18:12.44 | shingouz | blackout: iwconfig and ifconfig are very useful to do the configuration manually |
| 18:12.45 | Opiated | so if im a student at oklahoma state |
| 18:12.49 | Opiated | i can use i2 |
| 18:12.50 | FarrisG | What file or conf determines the per-directory view preferences in nautilus? |
| 18:13.06 | asg | Opiated: if OSU has a connection to it |
| 18:13.10 | Opiated | ahh |
| 18:13.15 | Opiated | so its not ALL schools |
| 18:13.20 | asg | Opiated: and further that they allow *you* to use it. |
| 18:13.21 | Opiated | bbl |
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| 18:13.52 | dottedquad | thx |
| 18:14.09 | jablko | how to test if a daemon is running in debian - in a shell script? |
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| 18:14.32 | blackout | shingouz, but why should you have to do it manually? |
| 18:14.33 | jablko | if ps x | grep daemon; then... ? |
| 18:14.39 | streuner_ | jablko: ps aux | grep daemon? |
| 18:14.39 | asg | jablko: in most cases, check for /var/run/<program>.pid |
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| 18:15.18 | jablko | asg: mmm - would be nice, but doesn't make a pidfile : P |
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| 18:15.37 | reppal | is there a good way to handle debian startup procedure? i mean, when i remove a link from /etc/rc2.d/ it will be installed with the following dist-upgrade, is there a way to avoid this? |
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| 18:15.39 | asg | jablko: ah, the ps aux | grep ... is your way to go |
| 18:16.00 | jvw | jaro: just ask your question, don't ask to ask |
| 18:16.01 | asg | reppal: yes, create a single link from rc5.d or rc4.d to the ../init.d/foo file |
| 18:16.03 | blackout | reppal, i like rcconf |
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| 18:16.12 | asg | reppal: that will prevent updates from altering links. |
| 18:16.18 | jablko | streuner_: ps x | grep daemon often finds itself : ( |
| 18:16.23 | jablko | anythin more precise? |
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| 18:16.29 | asg | jablko: pipe it to | grep -v grep |
| 18:16.41 | asg | jablko: or use grep's builtin option for not showing itself in the output |
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| 18:17.04 | jablko | asg: oh - |
| 18:18.09 | Setanta | jablko: You can use ps -C to find by comman name. Man ps |
| 18:18.13 | jaro | problem is here http://linux.akl.lt/forumai/site/ |
| 18:18.15 | jair_11 | BadMan, got it |
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| 18:18.30 | asg | jablko: there's also pgrep |
| 18:18.40 | BadMan | jair_11: solution was? |
| 18:18.41 | jair_11 | BadMan, the external printer adapters normally use a LDP protocol to print |
| 18:18.41 | jaro | when i install prom tar.gz all ok http://linux.akl.lt/forumai/ |
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| 18:19.01 | BadMan | ok, good to know... |
| 18:19.15 | shingouz | blackout: multitasking, sorry. you do not have to do it manually but ifconfig, iwconfig and route lets you do what you asked. personally i do not like the automagic configurations as they tend to do odd things with my systems |
| 18:19.25 | jair_11 | BadMan, and also, the printer will have to be configured using LDP |
| 18:19.40 | BadMan | jair_11: ok, good luck 8-) |
| 18:19.55 | jaro | tadabase is the same, but from .deb i see Warning: pg_set_client_encoding(): supplied argument is not a valid PostgreSQL link resource in ... |
| 18:20.13 | jablko | many thx - ps -C looks like the ticket, since pgrep in usr/bin - stead of /bin |
| 18:20.16 | jablko | thx again! |
| 18:20.28 | jair_11 | and also each of the ports where the printer connect the paralell cable have a printer queue |
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| 18:20.43 | dos000 | anyone know why df -h reports 4.7g total for my mounted /opt partition but when i looked in cfdisk i see 35G total ? i did mkfs.reiserfs to format it. |
| 18:20.48 | jair_11 | BadMan, so this is an example-> URL: lpd://192.168.1.1/lpt1 |
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| 18:21.00 | jair_11 | but is cool all set my friend |
| 18:21.15 | BadMan | jair_11: good. I still prefer the old hook it straight tot he box and share it with samba... |
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| 18:21.37 | jair_11 | BadMan, hahaha but this way works very nice no problem it is cool. |
| 18:21.51 | Setanta | dos000: cfdisk shows partition size? |
| 18:21.56 | jair_11 | BadMan, all the info a log are stored on the cupsys jobs, completed etc. |
| 18:22.02 | jair_11 | BadMan, love Linux |
| 18:22.10 | guadalinex | qwenas |
| 18:22.17 | guadalinex | chicas de granada |
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| 18:22.20 | dos000 | Setanta, yes but it is not the same as reported by df -h |
| 18:22.29 | BadMan | jair_11: where are your printer drivers stored for alternative os clients? |
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| 18:22.44 | guadalinex | juanca es un chico simpatico yu honesto+ |
| 18:22.46 | jair_11 | I have to go lunch and make some planning work with training classes for personal (boring part) |
| 18:22.46 | Setanta | dos000: cfdisk shows partition size and df -h shows disk free |
| 18:22.47 | asg | !es |
| 18:22.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:23.09 | miguelanxo | Hi |
| 18:23.12 | schelm | !de |
| 18:23.12 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 18:23.18 | jair_11 | BadMan, you know what I do not have that? I have them on a share folder on samba |
| 18:23.23 | dos000 | Setanta, there is a size column in df ! |
| 18:23.31 | jair_11 | the drivers are on directories with the printer name |
| 18:23.39 | BadMan | jair_11: ok, just wondered |
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| 18:23.51 | guadalinex | wenas a todos los chateos |
| 18:23.52 | jair_11 | BadMan, any good idea for that? |
| 18:23.56 | guadalinex | aqui mu raper |
| 18:24.01 | asg | guadalinex: no, fuck off to #debian-es |
| 18:24.07 | Setanta | dos000: the filesys takes space. |
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| 18:24.26 | dos000 | Setanta, there is about 30G missing tho ! |
| 18:24.41 | BadMan | jair_11: with samba I am able to tell the printer share where the drivers are located.. but since most of mine are running linux of some sort, and it's PS printer, linux can talk to it usually with no problems |
| 18:24.49 | raf256 | how can I set root password in mysql? |
| 18:24.50 | Setanta | dos000: msg me the stuf |
| 18:25.06 | asg | raf256: did you forget it? |
| 18:25.15 | raf256 | asg: no, it is default (empty) |
| 18:25.17 | miguelanxo | I'm just bought and IDE external enclosure, that connects to the USB port. Using the USB mass storage I can use it as a normal gard disk, so I've compiled it builtin into the kernel. I'm trying to boot the root partition in the external usb disk (sda2) but the kernel panics because at the time it tries to boot it it has not yet been detected |
| 18:25.18 | asg | raf256: if this is the first time, check /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README* |
| 18:25.25 | raf256 | ok |
| 18:25.32 | jair_11 | BadMan, all your network is based on linux? clients and servers? |
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| 18:25.47 | BadMan | jair_11: 75% |
| 18:25.51 | DarknessX | I've been having an issue for a few days, with exim4-daemon-light. When it tries to set up, it just spits out a big configuration file ("main/01_exim4-config_listmacrosdefs"), and then stops working. I can't uninstall exim4 because dpkg halts without everything configured; I can't finish the installation because of this configuration issue. Does anybody have any ideas? I've googled and haven't found anything. I can't update, |
| 18:25.51 | DarknessX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.05 | asg | DarknessX: what debian version are you running? |
| 18:26.07 | miguelanxo | looks like my post is broken... going to split it |
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| 18:26.12 | DarknessX | asg: unstable |
| 18:26.16 | asg | DarknessX: then check the bts |
| 18:26.22 | BadMan | jair_11: there are still to few M$ clients for my taste, but the bosses rule... |
| 18:26.27 | DarknessX | asg: I have for a few days, but haven't found anything. I'll check again right now |
| 18:26.30 | BadMan | er/few/many |
| 18:26.32 | miguelanxo | I'm just bought and IDE external enclosure, that connects to the USB port. Using the USB mass storage I can use it as a normal hard disk, so I've compiled it builtin into the kernel. |
| 18:26.33 | asg | DarknessX: did you file a bug? |
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| 18:26.45 | miguelanxo | I'm trying to boot the root partition in the external usb disk (sda2) but the kernel panics because at the time it tries to boot it it has not yet been detected |
| 18:26.57 | DarknessX | asg: I didn't because I'm not sure if it's something I did [something stupid] or a real bug |
| 18:27.08 | miguelanxo | how can I force a sleep just before trying to mount the root? |
| 18:27.33 | Amelaye | Hi how can i find ubuntu themes please ? |
| 18:27.35 | asg | DarknessX: well, you can fix the broken pre/post rm/inst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4* |
| 18:27.43 | BadMan | Amelaye: try #ubuntu |
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| 18:27.47 | asg | Amelaye: #ubuntu |
| 18:27.49 | BadMan | !ubuntu |
| 18:27.50 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 18:27.57 | sparr_ | ive got a drive with one partition (i think) formatted as NTFS (used to be a windows drive). id like to reformat it as ext3. what do I need to do? |
| 18:28.06 | DarknessX | asg: I'll try that, thanks |
| 18:28.11 | Amelaye | ok thanks |
| 18:28.14 | Amelaye | :) |
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| 18:28.23 | jair_11 | BadMan, same on my network, but all the mayority use xp professionals |
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| 18:28.39 | jair_11 | BadMan, I am serving the files using a share folder samba |
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| 18:29.16 | asg | DarknessX: often just putting 'exit 0' after the shebang will allow the offending script to continue. At least you can get to a point to remove it, etc. |
| 18:29.22 | oguz | ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/alsa-kernel/pci/via82xx.c:585: codec_read: codec 0 is not valid [0x107e5370] |
| 18:29.23 | oguz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.25 | jair_11 | BadMan, but I would like to learn how to create accounts where they will be restricted to access other users accounts, priviledges, RWX etc.. |
| 18:29.32 | oguz | i see this message at the dmesg output |
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| 18:31.56 | jair_11 | are you very familiar with samba? |
| 18:32.06 | jair_11 | BadMan, are you very familiar with samba? |
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| 18:32.40 | BadMan | jair_11: I use it, don't know that I would say "very" familiar.. there is a #samba |
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| 18:33.09 | steve | hey all |
| 18:33.10 | steve | does anybody know of an app to transfer all data from one hard drive to another? |
| 18:33.14 | steve | including MBR and such |
| 18:33.24 | holmes | I've installed the lastest debian testing (with recent upgrades), but when I'm running X, the screen update is quite slow compared to say SuSE. It feels like running X over a LAN :O) I have a Matrox Millenium G450. Anyone experienced the same "slowness"? |
| 18:33.24 | C17H21NO4 | steve: dd |
| 18:33.41 | warchest | I was compiling my kernel.. went make dep; make modules; make bzImage (but i aborted the make bzImage because i forgot to enable ext3 i accidenntly modulated it).. can i just re-run make bzImage with the new config or must i make dep again ? |
| 18:33.45 | steve | C17H21NO4: do you have a download URL pls? |
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| 18:34.04 | C17H21NO4 | steve: You should already have it |
| 18:34.39 | pipeline | holmes: Two possibilities: You did not select the correct video driver OR you have chosen an ugly refresh rate. |
| 18:34.54 | pipeline | holmes: The former can be fixed by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 18:34.55 | oguz | streuner_, do you know how can i fix this thing: ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/alsa-kernel/pci/via82xx.c:585: codec_read: codec 0 is not valid [0x107e5370] |
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| 18:34.55 | oguz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.04 | pipeline | holmes: The latter can be fixed with gnome-display-properties |
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| 18:36.30 | streuner_ | oguz: How did you manage to point ALSA or modprobe to use modules in /usr/src/? |
| 18:36.43 | holmes | pipeline: The refresh rate is 74.9 Hz according to my monitor |
| 18:37.23 | pipeline | holmes: Well, I would consider that an acceptable refresh rate. I wasn't exactly sure what you meant by "slow screen update." I'd reconfigure X with a different video driver. |
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| 18:37.49 | mattm | is there a command to tail executed commands a user is running in a server |
| 18:37.57 | holmes | pipeline: xf86config says it's using a G450 driver |
| 18:37.58 | pipeline | holmes: Note that "dpkg-reconfigure" just changes the values in debconf. If you've edited your X configuration by hand, it won't fool with it. To generate a new, fresh X configuration from the values in debconf, you use the "dexconf" tool |
| 18:38.00 | mattm | i.e. users who ssh in |
| 18:38.03 | greycat | mattm: no. |
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| 18:38.35 | mattm | just continualy run W to see what their doing |
| 18:38.37 | pipeline | holmes: Is xf86config writing the correct configuration file? X will read /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by default, I think. At any rate, I would use the debconf system for convenience reasons :P |
| 18:38.45 | ^Punk | after a recent upgrade of X in sarge, my screen is all blurry.. I'm using the mga driver, didn't change anything in my XFree86Config.. any ideas? |
| 18:38.58 | pipeline | mattm: You could try reading their terminal device. |
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| 18:39.06 | holmes | I'll look into it |
| 18:39.12 | holmes | pipeline: I'll look into it |
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| 18:39.17 | oguz | streuner_, i once ran the module-assistand and then tried to compile alsa modules i think |
| 18:39.19 | valdyn_ | ^Punk: post a screen shot |
| 18:39.23 | asg | mattm: or lastcomm in the acct package. |
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| 18:39.29 | jair_11 | BadMan, but I think that based on what you are telling me maybe we can share some ideas |
| 18:39.35 | ^Punk | ok valdyn.. |
| 18:39.42 | jair_11 | BadMan, because i have it and I am using it too. |
| 18:39.43 | oguz | streuner_, it happened when i did it |
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| 18:39.46 | Qiang-wek | is there any key-combination to let me switch around the workplaces in gnome using key-combination ? like ctrl-1 to workplace 1 sorta thing? |
| 18:39.47 | Bu5H | ^Punk: did you enable AA or configure it for an lcd? |
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| 18:39.59 | streuner_ | oguz: the modules have to be in /usr/lib/modules/(uname -r) |
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| 18:40.09 | Bu5H | ^Punk: id try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:40.14 | HolyGoat | hmm.. I need to add a <Location> directive to apache every time I add a new subversion project? There has to be an easier way.. |
| 18:40.50 | streuner_ | oguz: there is a step which you missed, but i never used module-assistent |
| 18:40.53 | asg | HolyGoat: do you use sarge? |
| 18:41.03 | HolyGoat | asg: yes |
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| 18:41.16 | asg | HolyGoat: drop the relevant fragment in a file in /etc/apache/conf.d and reload apache |
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| 18:41.22 | jair_11 | BadMan, but for example I know is a way that you can configure in the samba server an account or home folder where the users log and that is what they get an space with their own home folder, and the administrator is able to customize the size of that folder using quotes or restrict access or chages from other users. |
| 18:41.36 | karamelos | Is there a program to manage a mysql database through custom forms without using a web server? |
| 18:41.44 | deego | using cups.. when doing lpr on a file, it misses 1 line in each page, is there a general print config i should reconfigure? i must have letter->a4 somewhere... what package should i dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 18:41.46 | jair_11 | BadMan, I will be reading also the how-to and samba by example |
| 18:41.55 | asg | karamelos: custom forms? |
| 18:42.00 | jair_11 | BadMan, I will be back later I have to go eat |
| 18:42.16 | BadMan | jair_11: yes, you can also place roaming profiles int here as well, so when a users logs on froma d ifferent station they get "their" setup as well... |
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| 18:42.30 | oguz | streuner_, there is no modules directory under /usr/lib |
| 18:42.33 | BadMan | jair_11: ok, l8r.. hopefully I will get called to come and get my truck |
| 18:42.46 | asg | jair_11: also, you can read O'Reilly's Using Samba 2nd Ed. online at www.oreilly.com/openbook |
| 18:42.54 | Bu5H | oguz: that'd be a problem... |
| 18:43.11 | oguz | Bu5H, ok tell me how can i fix it then |
| 18:43.23 | streuner_ | oguz: /lib/modules/*, sorry |
| 18:43.24 | jair_11 | BadMan, that is cool |
| 18:43.28 | Bu5H | oh |
| 18:43.29 | jair_11 | asg, thank you |
| 18:43.30 | Bu5H | yeah wtf |
| 18:43.32 | Bu5H | my bad |
| 18:43.36 | asg | jair_11: you're welcome |
| 18:43.43 | Bu5H | RPG has my brain backwards |
| 18:43.55 | HolyGoat | asg: What is that supposed to do? |
| 18:44.03 | julio | alooo |
| 18:44.09 | beta3 | ~nslookup mirrorlynx.com |
| 18:44.19 | dan2 | asg: hola |
| 18:44.20 | valdyn_ | oguz: /lib |
| 18:44.44 | asg | HolyGoat: any file in /etc/apache/conf.d will be read inline by apache as if it were entered into /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 18:44.44 | oguz | ok here is the output of uname -r: 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 18:44.46 | durakomer | how can i see fat32 partitions from debian |
| 18:44.47 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 18:44.53 | jeffrin | is there any option in wget such that it does not even opt to download a typical file extension |
| 18:44.58 | directhex | durakomer, mount them |
| 18:45.02 | oguz | and same thing is can be seen under /lib/modules/ |
| 18:45.35 | HolyGoat | asg: I get that, but I want to be able to checkout any subversion project through the same <Location> directive, without having to specify one for each project. |
| 18:45.35 | oguz | but thats the only thing under /lib/modules i dont know whether there should be something else |
| 18:45.38 | Bu5H | durakomer: mount -t vfat /dev/hd[whatever] /mnt/[mountpoint] |
| 18:45.48 | valdyn_ | oguz: if you dont already have the headers installed you should upgrade to a kernel that is still supported by debian |
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| 18:46.20 | HolyGoat | approaching one project isn't the problem, but I want to be able to checkout more than one project without having to modify the apache config all the time |
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| 18:46.37 | jeffrin | is there any option in wget such that it does not even opt to download a typical file extension |
| 18:46.37 | asg | HolyGoat: hmmm, #svn might know perhaps |
| 18:46.56 | ^Punk | does anyone know what problem this could be: http://intrameld.net/root.jpeg |
| 18:46.59 | oguz | valdyn_, i dont know how to upgrade to a new kernel, is there a solutioun for my current kernel |
| 18:47.04 | jonz | anyone any good at making bootable USB memory sticks? I've formatted /dev/sda1 as dos, run syslinux on it (and configured), and run lilo -M /dev/sda to install a boot record; it still won't boot from the stick. the only way it boots is if i zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda1 but in that case it only thinks it's a 128mb stick instead of a gig |
| 18:47.06 | streuner_ | oguz: why did you use module-assistent? |
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| 18:47.19 | oguz | streuner_, to install alsa |
| 18:47.25 | Bu5H | oguz: apt-get install a new kernal image |
| 18:47.27 | Bu5H | kernel* |
| 18:47.34 | streuner_ | oguz: no - ALSA is in 2.6.x kernels anyway |
| 18:47.43 | HolyGoat | asg: uh oh. sorry for asking in here :) |
| 18:47.52 | asg | HolyGoat: no worries |
| 18:47.56 | streuner_ | oguz: just run 'alsaconf' and you are fine |
| 18:47.57 | valdyn_ | oguz: yea, to get the headers from snapshot.debian.net, but upgrading to a debian supported kernel isnt to hard either ( apt-get install kernelimage-2.6.8-2-386 and restart ) |
| 18:48.24 | valdyn_ | oguz: oh yea, streuner is right too, nm me |
| 18:48.50 | valdyn_ | oguz: though you *could* compile alsa, you dont need to |
| 18:49.01 | oguz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.17 | streuner_ | oguz: 2.6.8 kernels are fine |
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| 18:49.32 | oguz | valdyn_, i had done it before witth module assistant, do u think i should try it again? |
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| 18:49.51 | valdyn_ | oguz: no, you *dont* need to compile alsa, you already have it |
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| 18:50.14 | oguz | valdyn_, so whats the problem with alsa codecs at the dmesg output |
| 18:50.37 | oguz | valdyn_, ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/alsa-kernel/pci/via82xx.c:585: codec_read: codec 0 is not valid [0x107e5370] |
| 18:50.39 | valdyn_ | oguz: thats not a problem |
| 18:51.13 | BadMan | is a k62 500 considered a 386 or 686? |
| 18:51.23 | oguz | valdyn_, there are 6 lines writtien the same thing |
| 18:51.36 | valdyn_ | oguz: yea, same for me ( or around that, i never bothered counting ) |
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| 18:52.02 | valdyn_ | oguz: i use the same driver, that error doesnt bother me or do anything i had ever noticed ( except spitting out those messages ) |
| 18:52.58 | valdyn_ | oguz: new alsa wont remove those errors ( most likely ) |
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| 18:53.07 | oguz | valdyn_, i think i have a problem with the sound system, volume control is not working and skype for eg says sound problem when i tried to use mic |
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| 18:53.25 | streuner_ | oguz: dude, i told you what's the problem |
| 18:53.28 | valdyn_ | oguz: aplay <some.wav> |
| 18:53.40 | streuner_ | oguz: why do you ask questions twice? |
| 18:53.46 | valdyn_ | oguz: listen to streuner, i didnt. |
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| 18:54.20 | NarcoleptiC | hello |
| 18:54.20 | NarcoleptiC | people! |
| 18:54.20 | jonz | is it possible that a 1gb partition on a usb flash can't be booted? |
| 18:54.23 | oguz | streuner_, ok sorry, u said it is a common bug, |
| 18:54.38 | NarcoleptiC | where are you people from ? |
| 18:54.38 | jeffrin | what is the command to cut the first word from a line... |
| 18:54.58 | asg | jeffrin: awk '{print $1}' |
| 18:55.02 | asg | jeffrin: or man cut |
| 18:55.26 | jeffrin | okay i will try thx |
| 18:55.39 | asg | NarcoleptiC: my father's penis </ford fairlane> |
| 18:55.40 | NarcoleptiC | hi kata_pq |
| 18:55.57 | NarcoleptiC | Where are you from ? |
| 18:56.23 | julio | It would like to know as I make to participate of the group of debate on MainFrame with debian, somebody knows? |
| 18:56.42 | NarcoleptiC | are you from latinoamerica julio ? |
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| 18:56.50 | julio | sim |
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| 18:56.56 | NarcoleptiC | hola ! |
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| 18:57.01 | julio | ola |
| 18:57.02 | NarcoleptiC | de que q pais eres? |
| 18:57.08 | julio | Brasil |
| 18:57.11 | dan2 | asg: its a bitch finding memory leaks in your support libraries |
| 18:57.16 | NarcoleptiC | wou ! |
| 18:57.18 | valdyn_ | !br |
| 18:57.18 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:57.20 | NarcoleptiC | de que ciudad? |
| 18:57.21 | asg | dan2: yea |
| 18:57.23 | jeffrin | asg | hey it is working |
| 18:57.30 | asg | jeffrin: good |
| 18:57.31 | valdyn_ | NarcoleptiC: this is an english speaking channel |
| 18:57.35 | julio | Mato-Grosso |
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| 18:57.38 | streuner_ | !es |
| 18:57.38 | julio | e vocę |
| 18:57.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:57.39 | shingouz | jonz: extract the image you have onto your hd, fdisk the usb you have there, copy all the files you got from the image onto the usb and run lilo (or whatever bootmanager you have on the image) in a chroot environment on the usb |
| 18:57.46 | NarcoleptiC | yo soy de chile |
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| 18:57.50 | asg | dan2: are you using any extra c mem protect libs to help? |
| 18:57.53 | NarcoleptiC | y tu que edad tienes? |
| 18:58.00 | streuner_ | valdyn_: in chilie spricht man spanisch |
| 18:58.00 | julio | es Pinoch |
| 18:58.03 | julio | rsrsr |
| 18:58.03 | jonz | shingouz that's basically what i did |
| 18:58.10 | NarcoleptiC | sii ! |
| 18:58.14 | dan2 | asg: I know whats allocating the overloads of memory, but I don't understand why |
| 18:58.14 | jonz | i used lilo -M /dev/sda |
| 18:58.15 | shingouz | jonz: that is not what you did |
| 18:58.16 | NarcoleptiC | no hables de ese estupido ! |
| 18:58.16 | asg | no hablamos espanol aqui |
| 18:58.17 | jonz | not chrooted though |
| 18:58.17 | julio | mui bem |
| 18:58.31 | shingouz | jonz: chrooted |
| 18:58.34 | asg | dan2: oh |
| 18:58.36 | NarcoleptiC | y tu julio que edad tienes? |
| 18:58.41 | julio | conheçe um grupo de discurso para mainfraime no debian |
| 18:58.45 | valdyn_ | streuner: <julio> Brasil |
| 18:58.59 | julio | sim valdyn |
| 18:59.01 | NarcoleptiC | que buena ! |
| 18:59.03 | dan2 | asg: clearly its a fuck up in the allocator |
| 18:59.18 | dan2 | asg: its allocating for more memory than it needs |
| 18:59.27 | asg | dan2: I'll take your word for that, your C is much better than mine ;) |
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| 18:59.31 | julio | alguem saberia me dizer um grupo de discusăo do debian + mainfraime |
| 18:59.33 | NarcoleptiC | pero julio ! |
| 18:59.52 | NarcoleptiC | oye julio no te entiendo mucho |
| 18:59.54 | doug | I need an apache module that limits throughput per IP... |
| 18:59.56 | poli | julio, probably in #debian-br someone could understand your question better. |
| 18:59.59 | NarcoleptiC | sabes hablar espańol .--- |
| 19:00.04 | NarcoleptiC | osea un poquito mas espańol |
| 19:00.07 | NarcoleptiC | no tanto portugues |
| 19:00.10 | doug | preferably based on how much of my total traffic is being used |
| 19:00.12 | julio | si |
| 19:00.12 | NarcoleptiC | por que no te entiendo mucho |
| 19:00.14 | asg | doug: libapache-mod-limitipconn |
| 19:00.24 | asg | doug: libapache-mod-choke |
| 19:00.29 | NarcoleptiC | ya ahora si |
| 19:00.31 | NarcoleptiC | dime |
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| 19:00.44 | julio | hoste sabe de um grupo que habra mainfraime em debian |
| 19:00.50 | julio | mi entende |
| 19:00.53 | NarcoleptiC | si |
| 19:00.56 | doug | asg: ok so choke for straight up bandwidth, limitipconn for how many requests each IP can open simultaneously |
| 19:01.00 | NarcoleptiC | mmm...no no conosco ninguno |
| 19:01.11 | asg | doug: sounds good to me. |
| 19:01.17 | julio | estou a procurar |
| 19:01.19 | doug | word high five thanks |
| 19:01.24 | streuner_ | NarcoleptiC, julio: take your convo somewhere else or speak english |
| 19:01.29 | asg | NarcoleptiC, julio: /j #webefriends and continue your discussion there. |
| 19:01.42 | doug | frickin firefox tabbing junkies are going crazy on my pics website |
| 19:01.48 | asg | doug: hehe |
| 19:01.50 | doug | middle clicking everything in sight |
| 19:01.56 | julio | my ingles is bad |
| 19:02.07 | doug | i'm limiting keepalives to four |
| 19:02.07 | streuner_ | julio: #debian-br |
| 19:02.08 | NarcoleptiC | my english it's quite goos |
| 19:02.09 | NarcoleptiC | good |
| 19:02.30 | NarcoleptiC | and how old are you julio ? |
| 19:02.31 | xam | NarcoleptiC: somehow I don't believe you :-/ |
| 19:02.36 | Setanta | what you site doug? |
| 19:02.48 | Setanta | Lemme try too;) |
| 19:03.03 | julio | Marco tu trabaja com debian |
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| 19:03.32 | SyphonAI | !es |
| 19:03.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:03.34 | poli | julio, if that was for me, we can talk in #debian-br. Type in /join #debian-br |
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| 19:04.53 | jonz | shingouz what do you mean run the boot manager chrooted - i'm using syslinux; it's supposed to just work with syslinux /dev/sda |
| 19:04.59 | jonz | there is no syslinux binary on the usb |
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| 19:05.27 | shingouz | jonz: you use syslinux or lilo or grub but not all of them simultaneously. take your pick |
| 19:05.39 | jonz | shingouz i only used lilo to write a master boot record |
| 19:05.42 | jonz | i'm using syslinux |
| 19:05.51 | julio | poli speak spanish |
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| 19:06.03 | greycat | julio: /join #debian-es |
| 19:06.10 | FarrisG | When I open "nautilus --browser", it starts up with my default View, "View as list". Seemingly (but not actually, I'm sure) randomly, whenever I change to another directory and then come back to home, it changes my view to "View as Icons" |
| 19:07.01 | poli | julio, I am from Brazil, just like you are, and if you need help, come to #debian-br. Eu sou do Brasil extamente como vocę. Se quiser ajuda, entre em #debian-br. Nesse canal năo se fala portuguęs ou espanhol. |
| 19:07.49 | julio | cara năo achei niguem para trocar idéias sobre debian em mainfraeme |
| 19:08.24 | doug | asg: not finding anything on apt cache for the choke module |
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| 19:08.58 | asg | doug: oh, you might have to backport that from sarge/sid then. Woody doesn't have it. |
| 19:09.20 | doug | i'm on sarge |
| 19:09.21 | poli | julio, Portuguese here will only get you banned, join #debian-br. Portugues nesse canal só vai faze-lo ser banido, entre em #debian-br. Se eu te responder aqui em portugues, vou ser banido exatamente junto com voce. |
| 19:09.42 | jonz | hmm it doesn't work partitionless either :\ |
| 19:10.29 | asg | doug: oh, it hasn't made it into testing yet either :/ |
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| 19:10.53 | Tuttle | what is the shortest, cleanest and the most automatized way to recompile some package from source, given I just want to add some ./configure options? |
| 19:10.56 | valdyn_ | ^Punk: this is a problem with your display / resolution. change your resolution |
| 19:11.20 | asg | Tuttle: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 19:11.22 | shingouz | jonz: just partition the usb and format it to whatever filesystem you want to use. copy all the files off the image you have onto the stick and chroot into the stick. run lilo (or grub or syslinux or whatever) to get the mbr onto the stick. exit the chroot and boot onto the new usb drive |
| 19:11.27 | streuner_ | Tuttle: which packages are those? |
| 19:11.29 | stew | Tuttle: apt-get source pkgname; cd pkgdir ; editor debian/rules ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 19:11.30 | helix | banido |
| 19:11.39 | helix | I'm so stealing that for english |
| 19:11.43 | greycat | Tuttle: apt-get build-dep foo; apt-get source foo; cd foo-*/debian; vi rules; fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 19:11.47 | asg | helix: hehe |
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| 19:11.56 | greycat | oops, I forgot a cd .. |
| 19:12.03 | asg | was about to say |
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| 19:12.43 | stew | oops forgot the build-dep |
| 19:12.52 | jonz | shingouz what do you mean chroot, there is no syslinux or lilo binary on the usb device. you just tell syslinux /dev/sda and it does its job |
| 19:12.53 | julio | poli do you know anyone that work with mainframe with debian?????? |
| 19:12.58 | greycat | munge the two together and throw in a /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 19:13.01 | aardvark | !tell julio about ep |
| 19:13.07 | Tuttle | thanks to all, i will learn |
| 19:13.10 | aardvark | !br |
| 19:13.10 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:13.16 | streuner_ | oops, forgot, wtf do you want compile a debian package? |
| 19:13.18 | shingouz | jonz: so what is the problem then |
| 19:13.23 | asg | julio: I was going to but our S/390 is still encumbered while the state's replacement system is 4 years behind schedule |
| 19:13.26 | Tuttle | streuner_: php4 |
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| 19:13.38 | streuner_ | Tuttle: hm |
| 19:13.45 | takatumi | asg: what a waste. |
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| 19:14.10 | asg | takatumi: yes, it took us 2 years to convince them that they needed to do authentication via ldap. |
| 19:14.22 | Tuttle | streuner_: I'm not happy also. :-) |
| 19:14.24 | jonz | shingouz there is a ldlinux.sys file, that is not the syslinux set up tool though. Either you're confusing the two or you're not communicating what you're saying right |
| 19:14.40 | simonrvn | asg: 2 years? ... |
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| 19:14.57 | jeffrin | hello asg |
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| 19:15.06 | asg | simonrvn: yes, the state moves very slowly and is incompetent apparently. |
| 19:15.12 | asg | jeffrin: hi |
| 19:15.15 | doug | Thank Christ for watchdog |
| 19:15.18 | simonrvn | so it would seem |
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| 19:15.50 | asg | simonrvn: they are implementing a single system for all colleges in the state and only working on a baseline that fits the least common denominator. |
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| 19:15.55 | jeffrin | asg : suppose i want the first word of first 10 lines |
| 19:16.05 | simonrvn | oh wonderful. ... |
| 19:16.11 | shingouz | jonz: *i* am not communicating clearly? i have not even seen the files you have there so how the hell could i know what is happening there. the image you have has been made for a 128M stick and you try to slap it on a 1G stick. fdisk, extract and chroot to run bootmanager. exit, shutdown -r now and input the usb to boot off it |
| 19:16.46 | simonrvn | fucking neo-liberals... |
| 19:16.58 | helix | neo-pets! |
| 19:17.08 | asg | jeffrin: well, awk can take a line range or you could just use 'head -n10 foo | awk ..' |
| 19:17.08 | chealer | what's happening simonrvn? |
| 19:17.09 | helix | anyway, shingouz, you look frustrated |
| 19:17.18 | jonz | shingouz everything is on the stick just fine: http://rafb.net/paste/results/HyUNWs76.html |
| 19:17.35 | jonz | and i've written a boot manager, and i've written a master boot record |
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| 19:17.47 | shingouz | helix: i could actually use some caffeine. and i should probably shut up before i get to be too nasty :) |
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| 19:18.06 | helix | that's right |
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| 19:19.20 | jeffrin | asg : what should be added to awk '{print $1}' for 10 stuff |
| 19:19.27 | travisat | tick tick tick |
| 19:19.31 | simonrvn | what's with the root idiots? |
| 19:19.48 | dvs | Linspire users |
| 19:19.59 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:20.00 | takatumi | no kidding. |
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| 19:20.13 | Tuttle | apt-get build-dep is really interesting command (:-O |
| 19:20.33 | carnage | whats the name of that program that turns rpms into debs? |
| 19:20.39 | Tuttle | alien ? |
| 19:20.48 | aardvark | carnage: pig? |
| 19:20.56 | ptlis | rpmtodeb ? |
| 19:21.02 | streuner_ | !alien |
| 19:21.02 | dpkg | from memory, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 19:21.24 | carnage | thanks |
| 19:21.36 | carnage | i've used it before, just forgot the name heh |
| 19:21.42 | travisat | man I wish I was an alien |
| 19:21.43 | Tuttle | caringi: Remember the Scully part when you'll need it. :-) |
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| 19:23.43 | chealer | what does that mean "creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully"? |
| 19:23.57 | simonrvn | x-files |
| 19:23.58 | greycat | duh. |
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| 19:24.36 | chealer | uh...that part of the geek culture :S |
| 19:24.39 | greycat | google.com |
| 19:24.46 | chealer | the dark side of the geek culture |
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| 19:24.59 | helix | greycat: stop trying to enforce your fringe geek culture google.com website on us |
| 19:25.06 | helix | what's next, FURRIES? |
| 19:25.19 | nagual | whats a furrie? |
| 19:25.25 | simonrvn | haha |
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| 19:25.26 | helix | nagual: google.com! |
| 19:25.35 | jonz | i think i'm getting stuck at the MBR part - the howto i'm reading says to just "lilo -M /dev/sda" and it should work |
| 19:25.38 | nagual | FU |
| 19:25.40 | nagual | :) |
| 19:25.46 | helix | what? |
| 19:25.53 | nagual | its finnish |
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| 19:25.59 | rrt | I'm setting up wireless in sarge, have card setup without security, what is proceedure to do wpa-spk with ndiswrapper'd driver? |
| 19:26.00 | nagual | or google it :) |
| 19:26.11 | chealer | google.com...is that the WEBsite? |
| 19:26.31 | simonrvn | googC[C[3~-le obsessed freaks :P |
| 19:26.34 | simonrvn | argh |
| 19:26.51 | rrt | wpa-supplicant? is that what I need to install and configure? |
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| 19:26.54 | simonrvn | s/C[C[3~// |
| 19:26.55 | greycat | chealer: google.com is where the furries have sex with agent Scully, yes. |
| 19:27.07 | bykte | hi, i got problems installing gcc on a debian, how do i actually go with it? |
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| 19:27.23 | takatumi | and the truth is out there. |
| 19:27.39 | fflush_win32 | bykte> apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:27.46 | greycat | !truth |
| 19:27.46 | dpkg | i guess truth is there is no spoon |
| 19:27.54 | bykte | fflush_win32, that's the part where i have problems with |
| 19:27.56 | jonz | hmm does it have to be write protected to boot as a usb flash? |
| 19:27.59 | bykte | they said cant find "gcc" |
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| 19:28.38 | simonrvn | somewhere on a cloud, next door to the green slimy alien who had sex with scully, while mulder watched, and with a parking meter across on the other cloud, while a janitor was polishing his magic 2x4 |
| 19:28.38 | bykte | right now, i issue an update, i will try again once it's completed |
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| 19:28.54 | bykte | ah yes it worked |
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| 19:28.56 | bykte | after i updated |
| 19:28.57 | bykte | thx |
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| 19:29.15 | streuner_ | helix: well, if you don't like coffee, there is an other nasty solution then |
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| 19:29.29 | simonrvn | a hammer on the left pinky toe |
| 19:29.34 | streuner_ | no |
| 19:29.34 | G2 | seen this. It's a laugh. I got 97 http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nq.php |
| 19:29.37 | chealer | bah, I don't know what's furries anyway |
| 19:29.38 | helix | streuner_: what? |
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| 19:29.44 | helix | chealer: look it up |
| 19:29.47 | streuner_ | helix: adrenaline |
| 19:29.55 | OleMoudi | how do I extract audio with mplayer? |
| 19:29.57 | helix | streuner_: are you advising me to jump in front of a bus? |
| 19:30.03 | OleMoudi | the man page is HUGE |
| 19:30.17 | bykte | anyone got any idea on how to actually secure a debian server? |
| 19:30.17 | simonrvn | psuedo-ephedrine (nah, very much so j/k) |
| 19:30.30 | takatumi | compiling 2.6.11.7 right now, the temp just hit 71C, was thinking buhbye, (73C is shutoff), it's going down now, yay! |
| 19:30.44 | bykte | 71 C? |
| 19:30.44 | streuner_ | helix: that's what the nasty solution, i don't know how to force it - only what makes you angry - might be another solution. |
| 19:30.46 | bykte | so hot? |
| 19:30.49 | simonrvn | goddamn |
| 19:30.53 | mufa | hi, anyone using tmda, or is it evil? |
| 19:31.07 | chealer | takatumi: did you accidentally overclock that CPU? :) |
| 19:31.22 | chealer | G2: you want http://www.innergeek.us/ |
| 19:31.33 | G2 | chealer: trying ;-) |
| 19:31.56 | chealer | G2: unless you don't have half an hour available |
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| 19:32.06 | helix | streuner_: yeah, I had adrenaline pumping last night so I couldn't sleep :( |
| 19:32.07 | helix | bad timing |
| 19:32.42 | Glenz | hello |
| 19:33.25 | chealer | takatumi: yep, they recommend to do that once a year |
| 19:33.26 | redduck666 | is there any command line app that plays internet radio a .pls file? |
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| 19:33.36 | chealer | I can confirm that's a good recommendation |
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| 19:34.12 | nagual | redduck666: mpg123 or mpg321 should |
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| 19:34.25 | p88 | hi all |
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| 19:34.58 | jcm | hi, i can burn dvd+rw with growisofs, but I cannot mount -t iso9660 after :/ (2.6.8/sid) Any idea ? |
| 19:35.00 | p88 | does anyone know how to change windowmaker's configuration directory? I am irritated by the ~/GNUstep and would like to change it to ~/.GNUstep. |
| 19:35.17 | Glenz | I've got a Win98-Debian Samba problem |
| 19:35.28 | Rawplayer | Glenz: poor j00 |
| 19:35.31 | Rawplayer | !ask |
| 19:35.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 19:35.53 | Rawplayer | Glenz: try again ;) |
| 19:35.59 | takatumi | chealer: here's proof. http://gpoppy.org/2005-04-13-223341_1024x768_scrot.png |
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| 19:36.21 | Kero_1116 | how do i download something of the net? (wnet doesnt' work) |
| 19:36.22 | Kero_1116 | how do i download something of the net? (wget doesnt' work) |
| 19:36.28 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 19:36.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:36.29 | bykte | Kero_1116, install wget first? |
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| 19:36.39 | somethingbad | hello, i have problem with alsa on debian sarge |
| 19:36.51 | bykte | Kero_1116, what i did was download wget using lynx then install wget |
| 19:36.57 | somethingbad | modinfo: could not find module snd |
| 19:37.00 | somethingbad | when i run alsaconf |
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| 19:37.12 | stew | somethingbad: what does uname -r say? |
| 19:37.19 | Tuttle | Why is there "Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo." request? |
| 19:37.23 | Glenz | I can "smbmount" a win98 shared folder on my Debian, but then, an "ls" hangs (D or D+ with "ps aux") ...what is missing ? |
| 19:37.32 | chealer | takatumi: that looks like what I had. my barton 2500+'s temp got down at least 20 C by vacuuming only after 14 months after setup |
| 19:37.33 | somethingbad | stew i am with kernel 2.6.10 |
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| 19:37.50 | jamie^ | bykte: you do realise there is a debian package of wget.. |
| 19:38.25 | stew | sigh...i don't understand why people don't ever want to answer that question anymore |
| 19:38.29 | simonrvn | bykte: there's 15000+ packages in sarge, i thi8nk wget is there... |
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| 19:38.45 | somethingbad | stew is that for me? |
| 19:39.06 | simonrvn | somethingbad: no, it was for the guy next door... |
| 19:39.17 | somethingbad | good:) |
| 19:39.34 | stew | somethingbad: did you compile the kernel yourself... |
| 19:39.38 | somethingbad | yes |
| 19:39.42 | stew | why? |
| 19:40.07 | somethingbad | becouse i don't need modules that are in debian image |
| 19:40.17 | stew | somethingbad: like the "snd" module? |
| 19:40.38 | stew | somethingbad: if you don't need modules in the debian image, don't load them |
| 19:40.40 | somethingbad | i build-in everything in alsa subsection except the module for soundcard |
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| 19:41.15 | mendieta | hi |
| 19:41.19 | mendieta | I need your help |
| 19:41.19 | Glenz | I think somethingbad meant that some parts built-in in the default kernel |
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| 19:41.39 | jamie^ | mendieta: who's help? |
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| 19:42.09 | Glenz | whose :) |
| 19:42.09 | mendieta | my network stack don't send packets over the net |
| 19:42.14 | jamie^ | Glenz: :/ |
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| 19:42.42 | jamie^ | Glenz: thanks :p |
| 19:42.42 | mendieta | my net config is ok, I just recompile another router and now have a network problem |
| 19:42.43 | bykte | anyone willing to help me secure my svr? you will get to use it in exchange..root xs i mean :D |
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| 19:42.59 | mendieta | my net config is ok, I just recompile another kernel and now have a network problem |
| 19:42.59 | Glenz | I'm french LOL |
| 19:43.16 | nagual | bykte: ill help you. then ill change rootpw so you cant get in. |
| 19:43.21 | jamie^ | Glenz: yeah well, english is sometimes confusing, even if you're english.. |
| 19:43.26 | bykte | nagual, then i will reset it |
| 19:43.30 | bykte | and not trust u again |
| 19:43.33 | Glenz | no shit... french is too :P |
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| 19:43.40 | shingouz | mendieta: lets start with the basics. what does your ifconfig say? |
| 19:43.40 | nagual | by then you will have so many rootkits.... |
| 19:43.40 | takatumi | 10 more seconds would have given me a nice time. Linux air 2.6.11.7-13.04.05 #1 Wed Apr 13 22:22:12 AST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:43.41 | jamie^ | bykte: do the world a favour: rm -rf / |
| 19:43.47 | Phated | Eh, WTF. |
| 19:43.50 | bykte | jamie^, lol |
| 19:43.53 | bykte | thanks but no thanks |
| 19:44.16 | nagual | the whole point of securing a server is that noone else than you should be able to get in? |
| 19:44.24 | simonrvn | @lart jamie^ |
| 19:44.26 | nagual | debian has a 'how to secure your server' |
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| 19:44.32 | mendieta | shingouz, my config list my interfaces with my configuration, two interfaces |
| 19:44.42 | bykte | nagual, guide me please.. |
| 19:44.45 | Glenz | QUESTION: I can "smbmount" a win98 shared folder on my Debian, but then, an "ls" hangs (D or D+ with "ps aux") ...what is missing ? |
| 19:44.46 | mendieta | I am not use modules, I am a monolitic kernel |
| 19:44.50 | bykte | pls dont tell me it's google.com :< |
| 19:44.55 | shingouz | mendieta: what does your ifconfig output |
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| 19:44.57 | mendieta | I have a monolitic kernel, sorry |
| 19:45.15 | mendieta | shingouz, my interfaces are UP |
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| 19:45.31 | jair_11 | BadMan, are you still here? |
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| 19:45.34 | simonrvn | damn, mine are just up :P |
| 19:45.38 | shingouz | mendieta: and they do have some ip address? and the addresses are what they shoudl be? |
| 19:45.43 | jair_11 | BadMan, I have a quick question for you |
| 19:45.49 | carbon60 | How can I verify the fingerprint of the ftpmaster@debian.org key? |
| 19:45.52 | jamie^ | simonrvn: thanks for the free drinks coaster.. |
| 19:46.05 | BadMan | jair_11: kinda.. what's up |
| 19:46.08 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: you can check the signatures on it, and establish a trust path to the key |
| 19:46.09 | mendieta | shingouz, before I update the kernel, all was working fine |
| 19:46.17 | jair_11 | BadMan, ok |
| 19:46.23 | mendieta | I am roll back to 2.4 kernel, from a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:46.33 | takatumi | haha, getting my bogomips was one of the reasons for compiling a fresh .7, this time there ain't no bogomips. it really is bogus ?!!?! |
| 19:46.41 | mendieta | and then the network don't work |
| 19:46.42 | carbon60 | dondelelcaro: I suppose so. That's going to be a little tough though. |
| 19:46.46 | shingouz | mendieta: but it is not working now as you said. lets do some diagnostics to see what the problem is. i cannot work from "it does not work" |
| 19:46.46 | bykte | nagual? |
| 19:46.51 | greycat | 3) tr , '\n' |
| 19:46.54 | greycat | bah. |
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| 19:47.14 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: not really... you just need to find a Debian Developer who is well connected, and verify that they are who they say they are. |
| 19:47.19 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: any Debian user group can do that. |
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| 19:47.35 | jair_11 | It is a way that I can create an account on the samba server i.e = "tom" and then on the windows xp pro create the account "tom" I will really have to create a unix/linux account on the server that is running samba correct. |
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| 19:47.41 | mendieta | shingouz, ok, when I ping to ALL (255.255.255.255) only my host response |
| 19:47.57 | carbon60 | If I had a local user group... |
| 19:48.02 | mendieta | I can ping to myself, but no to other hosts in my network |
| 19:48.21 | jair_11 | BadMan, the thing is that, I want to be able of create an account on the computer running samba server. which is a linux server |
| 19:48.36 | shingouz | mendieta: do you know the ip of your router? |
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| 19:49.03 | jair_11 | BadMan, in order to this user access, the user have to exist on the samba server, linux server, and the xp professional server? |
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| 19:49.05 | mendieta | shingouz, yes way? |
| 19:49.06 | jair_11 | correct? |
| 19:49.12 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: well, then the best thing you can do is gpg --recv-keys 4F368D5D; gpg --check-sigs 4F368D5D; and verify that the signatures work. |
| 19:49.17 | valdyn_ | mendieta: even if everything is correct then only your own host will probably reply to that broadcast |
| 19:49.18 | shingouz | mendieta: ping your router and see if it responds |
| 19:49.21 | carbon60 | Hrm. |
| 19:49.42 | mendieta | shingouz, i can't ping to another host |
| 19:49.49 | mendieta | no response |
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| 19:50.08 | shingouz | mendieta: ok. what does ifconfig tell you? |
| 19:50.12 | Catcher | damn |
| 19:50.15 | Catcher | 870 nicks.. |
| 19:50.31 | mendieta | shingouz, wait a moment ... |
| 19:50.38 | simonrvn | and most are idling ;) |
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| 19:51.17 | zorton | is there an aptitude like gtk frontend? |
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| 19:51.28 | jonz | this isn't supposed to be so damn hard - syslinux /dev/sda |
| 19:51.30 | chealer | synaptic |
| 19:51.31 | raf256 | damn I cant find that readme |
| 19:51.32 | valdyn_ | zorton: synaptic |
| 19:51.33 | BadMan | jair_11: what does the xp pro server have to do with the linux/samba user account? |
| 19:51.38 | jonz | wtf is it not booting |
| 19:51.39 | raf256 | where is readme about root password on linux? |
| 19:51.42 | raf256 | on mysql |
| 19:51.53 | chealer | does somebody know about console-apt? |
| 19:51.56 | zorton | valdyn_: thanks |
| 19:51.57 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: you can also gpg --fingerprint 4F368D5D; and check it that way |
| 19:52.08 | carbon60 | dondelelcaro: Yes, but against where? |
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| 19:52.18 | raf256 | ..how to set a (new) root password for mysql, after its fresh install |
| 19:52.27 | takatumi | what is this supposed to mean? (in the context of a wifi card) "eth2: Error -110 setting multicast list." |
| 19:52.41 | valdyn_ | carbon60: trust is a subjective thing, gpg cannot "trust" for you, it can only map your trust relations |
| 19:52.50 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: uh, there's no trusted location for a fingerprint unless you've been handed it physically by the owner of the key. |
| 19:52.59 | stew | raf256: i think i've already told you this 2 or three times, read the README.Debian |
| 19:52.59 | carbon60 | Damn. |
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| 19:53.10 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: that's why you generally don't care about the fingerprint unless you're going to sign it. Just check the signatures on the key. |
| 19:53.11 | raf256 | where is it? |
| 19:53.16 | carbon60 | I guess I was hoping to see the fingerprint on-line in a few places or something. |
| 19:53.28 | stew | raf256: its *always* in /usr/share/doc/pkgname/ |
| 19:53.28 | takatumi | raf256: all docs are in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 19:53.30 | valdyn_ | carbon60: and that is not a "missing" gpg feature |
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| 19:53.39 | bykte | why do i get this messsage "Unknown HZ value! (94) Assume 100." when i issue a command like 'w' or 'ps'? |
| 19:54.36 | mendieta | shingouz, UP BROADCAST MULTICAST RUNNING |
| 19:54.36 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: I can tell you what it is, but that's not going to help you. 4C7A 8E5E 9454 FE3F AE1E 78AD F1D5 3D8C 4F36 8D5 |
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| 19:54.37 | carbon60 | Guess I need to get a link into the Debian web-of-trust somehow. |
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| 19:54.39 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 19:54.41 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: it's not just the Debian web-of-trust. Debian is in the strongly connected set. If you've signed anyone's key who is in that set, you're connected to Debian. |
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| 19:54.46 | shingouz | mendieta: could you paste the output in #paste, this guessing game is getting a bit tiresome |
| 19:54.53 | stew | bykte: it happens after a long uptime. its nothing to worry about, there is a lot of info about it on google |
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| 19:54.56 | ChrisW | anyone here know exim well? #exim is awful quiet :-( |
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| 19:55.02 | simonrvn | maybe i won't lag so fricking much now |
| 19:55.11 | ChrisW | hehe, simonrvn: what's the problem? |
| 19:55.12 | carbon60 | I mean that I need to get at least one completely verified key of a Debian-person in my keyring. |
| 19:55.18 | rikva | does anyone have apcupsd working properly on sarge? |
| 19:55.19 | jonz | hmm how do you activate a USB drive's write protection switch |
| 19:55.24 | mendieta | shingouz, no I have only access to a console |
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| 19:55.50 | simonrvn | kornbluth was laggy to wher i'm at |
| 19:55.54 | simonrvn | where* |
| 19:56.04 | Mardus | I have problems getting Acrobat Reader 3.0 to work on woody. Yes, I know it's old and outdated, but it has the least system requirements. I had it untarred and executed the install script, but nothing much happened. Next: error msgs |
| 19:56.08 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: getting the keys is trivial. The only way to verify them is to establish trust with those keys. |
| 19:56.26 | carbon60 | That's what I'm saying. |
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| 19:56.49 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: whose keys have you signed? |
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| 19:57.07 | carbon60 | Noone's. |
| 19:57.14 | silverton | Hey, what would cause debian too basically lock up, lose it's net connection, and only be able to be fixed by a restart? |
| 19:57.17 | shingouz | mendieta: so you say you cannot ping your router. did you try to specifically ping your router as i told you? |
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| 19:57.36 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: well, then you probably want to rectify that... there are people in Quebec, if that's where you really are... |
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| 19:57.39 | jonz | i guess, is it an electronic switch on these things or would one have a physical switch to write protect it |
| 19:57.50 | carbon60 | I'm in Ottawa. |
| 19:57.58 | Mardus | Upon activating acroread: /usr/local/bin/acroread: /usr/local/Acrobat3/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: No such file or directory; |next line| /usr/local/bin/acroread: /usr/local/Acrobat3/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: Success || back to prompt and program doesn't activate. I am suspecting a wrongly linked file or a dependency on something old. |
| 19:58.00 | mendieta | shingouz, yes, I can't ping to any host, except myselft |
| 19:58.04 | chealer | there was a key signing session in quebec no more than a week ago |
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| 19:58.19 | valdyn_ | Mardus: why dont you use the package from marillat? |
| 19:58.19 | carbon60 | chealer: Too bad. |
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| 19:58.29 | Mardus | valdyn_: Because it's newer. |
| 19:58.38 | carbon60 | Guess I should pay attention to the signings announcements then. :-) |
| 19:58.44 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: there are two people who will sign keys in ottowa. http://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php |
| 19:58.55 | valdyn_ | Mardus: marillats is *to* new? |
| 19:59.03 | simonrvn | chealer: QC? |
| 19:59.10 | shingouz | mendieta: this sounds stupid but is the cable inserted and do you get a link light |
| 19:59.12 | Mardus | valdyn_: I need Acrobat Reader 3 and not 4 or 5 or newer. |
| 19:59.15 | simonrvn | err, Q.C. even |
| 19:59.20 | carbon60 | Nice. |
| 19:59.22 | mendieta | shingouz, jajajaj, yeah |
| 19:59.27 | jcm | hi, i can burn dvd+rw with growisofs, but I cannot mount -t iso9660 after (bad fs type) :/ (2.6.8/sid) Any idea ? |
| 19:59.39 | mendieta | shingouz, the network is untouched |
| 19:59.53 | mendieta | I just only change a kernel |
| 19:59.57 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: just e-mail one of them, and ask to meet somewhere to sign keys... |
| 20:00.11 | croepha | hey.. i am having trouble installing a kernel in the chroot environment... its saying it cant find the root device |
| 20:00.26 | raf256 | where is kept the history of console? |
| 20:00.27 | shingouz | mendieta: i am beginning to suspect that something is seriously wrong there. lsmod? is the module for your nic there? |
| 20:00.30 | carbon60 | So, my understanding is that I need to verify one or both of those local people with physical evidence, sign their keys, then hope they've signed enough other keys to reach the ftpmaster key? |
| 20:00.33 | raf256 | besides ~/.bash_history |
| 20:00.46 | JohnnyST | Hi my mysql is like this: pi libmysqlclient 4.0.24-2 mysql database client library |
| 20:00.46 | valdyn_ | croepha: does your chroot have a /dev with appropriate contents? |
| 20:00.53 | carbon60 | (And get them to sign mine at the same time.) |
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| 20:00.59 | JohnnyST | how do I make it to ii instead of pi? |
| 20:01.04 | mendieta | shingouz, I don't use modules, only one kernel |
| 20:01.11 | simonrvn | well, if they're a dd, they'll be in trhe debian key ring |
| 20:01.17 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: yes. Anyone in debian is connected enough to reach the ftpmaster key |
| 20:01.22 | greycat | JohnnyST: echo "pkgname install" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 20:01.29 | carbon60 | Cool. |
| 20:01.32 | green_earz | jcm: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdX /mnt format ? |
| 20:01.34 | carbon60 | Thanks for the explanations. |
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| 20:01.44 | JohnnyST | ok |
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| 20:01.46 | kuonSama | hello folks |
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| 20:01.56 | shingouz | mendieta: nice and very easy to debug in situations like this. ifdown the interface and ifconfig it up with manual settings then check route |
| 20:01.57 | mendieta | shingouz, something is wrong with my new kernel |
| 20:01.57 | kuonSama | how can I mount HFS+ on debian? |
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| 20:02.19 | mendieta | shingouz, ok, wait a moment |
| 20:02.25 | HolyGoat | any of you guys have preference for a hardware vendor to buy your servers from (on which you want to run debian)? |
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| 20:02.55 | DDRP | Build your own server |
| 20:02.56 | Seb | hi all |
| 20:03.05 | ChrisW | HolyGoat: any old machine will do :-) |
| 20:03.09 | Seb | I'm having problems setting up DMA with the Debian 2.6.11 image |
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| 20:03.22 | Seb | i get "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" for all my drives... |
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| 20:03.30 | arturaz | good night everyone |
| 20:03.40 | valdyn_ | Seb: which is your ide controller? is its driver module loaded? |
| 20:03.42 | HolyGoat | But I'd say there are somewhat "trusted" vendors out there? |
| 20:03.43 | jonz | well is there any way to change the geometry of the usb flash once i've installed the stock debian image? at least that way i can tell it that it's 1024m not 128m |
| 20:03.46 | villain | what happend to escom.biz T_T |
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| 20:03.59 | dottedquad | how would i restart XFree86? |
| 20:04.00 | jonz | since i can't seem to get my own bootable one made |
| 20:04.03 | Seb | valdyn_: hmmm, how do I find what my IDE controller is ? |
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| 20:04.04 | hdkiller | Anybody did maximum mail sending per user based on the from address in exim? |
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| 20:04.10 | valdyn_ | Seb: lspci |
| 20:04.16 | Seb | valdyn_: it's intel |
| 20:04.26 | BadMan | dottedquad: /etc/init.d/gdm (or kdm) restart |
| 20:04.27 | fran | how can i ask apt about the x config file md5 sum |
| 20:04.27 | dondelelcaro | carbon60: FE, I'm 3 hops away from the ftpmaster key. |
| 20:04.35 | fran | if I modify it by hand |
| 20:04.43 | carbon60 | Cool. |
| 20:04.54 | shingouz | jonz: i think i have already told you how to do it a couple of times.... |
| 20:04.58 | croepha | valdyn_: yes |
| 20:05.01 | mendieta | shingouz, nothing |
| 20:05.14 | valdyn_ | Seb: try "lsmod | grep piix" |
| 20:05.17 | jonz | shingouz no, you haven't - what you're telling me to do doesn't make any sense. you don't chroot the usb flash, there are no damn binaries on it |
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| 20:05.41 | shingouz | mendieta: could you slap the ifconfig line you used here? |
| 20:05.41 | jonz | there is only the syslinux image, kernel, and a a few tools |
| 20:05.41 | Seb | valdyn_: it is loaded |
| 20:05.50 | oskie | did you notice at www.gnu.org, 'Microsoft Matching Gifts Program' is listed as a $500-999 contributor to gnu.org!? |
| 20:05.59 | shingouz | jonz: so what is the usb thingie for then? it cannot boot if there are no binaries on it |
| 20:06.03 | jonz | is there anyone else other than shingouz who knwos how to communicate, and knows how to make a usb flash bootable? |
| 20:06.04 | mendieta | shingouz, I try something... |
| 20:06.16 | jonz | shingouz all of my binaries are in the inintr |
| 20:06.17 | jonz | initrd |
| 20:06.33 | valdyn_ | Seb: is it SATA? |
| 20:06.58 | Seb | valdyn_: well, one of them is sata, but for now i'm just trying to enable DMA on my cd drive, /dev/hdc |
| 20:07.16 | Seb | valdyn_: in 2.6 SATTA is being seen as SCSI, so there is no DMA to be set |
| 20:07.20 | Seb | SATA |
| 20:07.20 | yang | someone knows if IPAQ 3630 PDA supports linux? |
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| 20:07.42 | takatumi | jonz: try debian-boot@lists.debian.org |
| 20:07.47 | valdyn_ | Seb: "lsmod | grep 'IDE interface'" ( which controller is it exactly, is it supported at all in linux? |
| 20:07.54 | ryke | uhm, anybody speak some italian? |
| 20:07.59 | valdyn_ | Seb: "lspci | grep 'IDE interface'" ( which controller is it exactly, is it supported at all in linux? |
| 20:08.01 | shingouz | jonz: the usb stick is a hd from the point of the kernel. you install the stuff on it just like you'd do onto a hd. the reason why you do not see more than 128 out of the 1G stick is that the image (the tar.gz you have) was made on a 128M and when you dump it to the stick it makes a bit by bit clone of the original |
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| 20:08.09 | ryke | i need one sentence translated to Italian :) |
| 20:08.20 | Seb | valdyn_: 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 02) |
| 20:08.34 | Seb | ICH5 is supported as far as I know; I mean, I can see my disks and all, but no DMA so far |
| 20:08.35 | jonz | yes i realize this, which is why i'm trying to make my own, unless there's a way to change it to 1024M via fdisk or something |
| 20:08.41 | Seb | ryke: babelfish ? |
| 20:08.44 | BadMan | jonz: tried goodle yet, returned a slew of info |
| 20:08.47 | fran | ryke: spanish here :P |
| 20:08.50 | jonz | yes a lot of pages |
| 20:08.51 | oskie | MySQL sponsored GNU with more than $25000.. |
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| 20:09.14 | jamie^ | ryke: http://www.google.com/language_tools or the great and mighty babelfish |
| 20:09.23 | jeffrin | is there any command to show the name of all debian packages |
| 20:09.24 | simonrvn | yang: afaik it does. there's a project for them |
| 20:09.24 | takatumi | oskie: peanuts. |
| 20:09.26 | valdyn_ | Seb: yes, i agree, i would look in bios if dma is disabled, other than that i dont know, it *should* work |
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| 20:09.33 | jonz | the process should be as easy as creating a partition, syslinux /dev/sda1, copying your kernel, initrd, etc (which i copied from the original boot imaeg that worked), and possibly install-mbr |
| 20:09.39 | Seb | valdyn_: well it was working in 2.6.10 iirc :\ |
| 20:09.45 | ryke | jamie^: unfortunately they couldn't helplp me |
| 20:09.48 | shingouz | jonz: the easiest way i know of is to fdisk and format the stick, copy all the files out of the image onto it and run the grub/lilo/syslinux/whathaveyou in a chrooted environment |
| 20:09.49 | jonz | but obviously something's not right |
| 20:09.49 | Seb | valdyn_: and I haven't messed with my BIOS in a looong time... |
| 20:09.59 | stew | ryke: #debian-it ? |
| 20:10.15 | oskie | takatumi: true though... |
| 20:10.18 | jeffrin | asg : are you there |
| 20:10.18 | jonz | shingouz there is no reason to run syslinux in a chrooted environment (and no way to do it). you type syslinunx /dev/sda1 and it installs the boot record and loader |
| 20:10.21 | valdyn_ | Seb: so you found a bug in 2.6.11 |
| 20:10.26 | jonz | other than that, that's exactly what i did |
| 20:10.27 | Seb | valdyn_: heh, k :> |
| 20:10.28 | valdyn_ | s/bug/regression/ |
| 20:10.31 | jonz | i've tried it several times in fact |
| 20:10.32 | SuperSox | dpkg: gprs |
| 20:10.35 | SuperSox | dpkg: gprs? |
| 20:10.35 | jonz | with a partition and partitionless |
| 20:10.37 | takatumi | oskie: still peanuts... |
| 20:10.42 | shingouz | jonz: and it does not boot even then? |
| 20:10.46 | jonz | shingouz nope |
| 20:10.57 | jonz | only the debian image works |
| 20:11.03 | jonz | i've checked via fdisk to make sure it's FAT16, and bootable |
| 20:11.12 | jonz | i've even tried setting the active partition |
| 20:11.17 | jonz | using lilo -A |
| 20:11.27 | jeffrin | is there any command to show the name of all debian packages |
| 20:11.28 | jonz | (i'm not using lilo as a boot manager, just the utilities) |
| 20:11.29 | shingouz | jonz: yuo lost me now. what debian image you talking about? |
| 20:11.31 | raf256 | can I wrote access database in linux? |
| 20:11.36 | valdyn_ | Seb: some bioses reset to defaults after some types of crashes so it might still be worth to look into it |
| 20:11.37 | jonz | shingouz, the hd-image |
| 20:11.44 | Seb | valdyn_: I see |
| 20:11.46 | jonz | i can zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda and it boots up and runs |
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| 20:11.56 | jonz | but of course the problem there is it's only thinking it's 128m |
| 20:11.56 | MobyTurbo | jeffrin: use aptitude, synaptic, or dselect |
| 20:11.57 | Seb | valdyn_: I'll look into it, thanks a lot for your help... |
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| 20:12.00 | shingouz | jonz: but? |
| 20:12.04 | shingouz | ah |
| 20:12.09 | _mepislover | ls |
| 20:12.13 | jonz | i'd gladly use it if there were a way to change that |
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| 20:12.31 | jonz | i'm using the image from here: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 20:12.55 | shingouz | jonz: lemme check that one out, takes a few minutes |
| 20:13.04 | jonz | ok |
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| 20:14.06 | shingouz | jonz: what are you trying to do? make a bootable usb stick to be used as a rescue thingie? |
| 20:14.30 | jonz | shingouz, at the end of the day i'd like to create a bootable usb stick that partitions and installs a custom image |
| 20:14.31 | Mash | bye |
| 20:14.44 | takatumi | jonz: tried this? http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 20:14.46 | jonz | for now i'd settle for a bootable debian expert installer with 1024m |
| 20:14.50 | jonz | yeah that's the one i followed |
| 20:14.55 | jcm | green_earz: yes, mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt ; i used /dev/hdc too in growisofs |
| 20:14.56 | jonz | unfortunately it doesn't seem to work :\ |
| 20:15.11 | jeffrin | MobyTurbo : it is not like that , what i want is when the run the command the output should go to standard out the name of all debian packages |
| 20:15.19 | shingouz | jonz: hmmm.... still reading... |
| 20:15.20 | jonz | something special had to be done to those debian images that i'm just flat out missing |
| 20:15.33 | MobyTurbo | jeffrin: what for? There are over 13,000 packages in Sarge |
| 20:15.33 | chrysopa | Hi, in the ps aux, what mean SN for a process? |
| 20:15.37 | dottedquad | is there a command based cd copier? |
| 20:16.09 | simonrvn | just over 16000 now |
| 20:16.11 | chrysopa | ronaldo 6919 23.1 3.7 114776 39072 ? SN Apr12 315:24 transcode -H 10 -a 2 -x vob -i |
| 20:16.16 | simonrvn | well, maybe a bit less |
| 20:16.22 | jeffrin | MobyTurbo : i just want to use it to get the source of all debian packages |
| 20:16.25 | chrysopa | This process was dead |
| 20:16.41 | MobyTurbo | jeffrin: they are all picked up from the same place |
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| 20:17.13 | shingouz | jonz: did you try it the "more flexible way"? |
| 20:17.14 | crashbg | !cd |
| 20:17.15 | dpkg | well, cd is a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
| 20:17.27 | crashbg | !iso |
| 20:17.28 | dpkg | hmm... iso is a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, or debian-cd.com, or http://www.linuxiso.org, or something I do with needle and thread, or ask me about "netinst", a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, or jigdo, or ask me about "jigdo", or did I mention "jigdo"?, or see "create cd image" |
| 20:17.33 | jonz | yeh that's what i'm trying now - the easy way works (well with /dev/sda) but only leaves me with 128M |
| 20:17.41 | jonz | been trying the more flexible way for an hour now |
| 20:17.56 | FarrisG | is there a way to open nautilus and get some verbose debugging output? I'm seeing this weird behavior where the default view changes every second time I change directories |
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| 20:18.55 | shingouz | FarrisG: try opening nautilus from a terminal, the terminal usually outputs at least something. man nautilus might also give some pointers |
| 20:19.24 | Iaidoka | I just installed testing Debian on a machine with an nForce4 MB, how dow I get sound running? |
| 20:19.40 | dvs | Iaidoka: i810_audio |
| 20:19.54 | greycat | Iaidoka: what does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" say? |
| 20:20.03 | carbon60 | So, how do I check a keys trust based on my current keyring? |
| 20:20.25 | mendieta | shingouz, I have this message in my console: "spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7" |
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| 20:21.01 | Iaidoka | greycat: No such devide |
| 20:21.01 | shingouz | jonz: conflicts i suspect. new kernel with the nic driver as a module is what i'd suggest at this point |
| 20:21.03 | Iaidoka | device |
| 20:21.12 | greycat | Iaidoka: then you need to load a driver for it... |
| 20:21.23 | jonz | i'm not even getting to the kernel dude |
| 20:21.26 | dvs | Iaidoka: modprobe i810_audio |
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| 20:21.32 | jonz | but ya i've tried linux26 |
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| 20:21.49 | shingouz | jonz: so where do you get stuck when you try to install the more flexible way? |
| 20:21.58 | jonz | it doesn't even recognize it as a bootable device |
| 20:22.57 | jonz | the debian loader doesn't come up or anything, it just skips the usb and boots the hd |
| 20:23.03 | jonz | or says "no boot device" if i turn off the hd |
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| 20:23.12 | kemm | Hello ! Ive a problem with gmake: by typing make the following error appears "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcommon" "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status", any ideas ? |
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| 20:23.23 | shingouz | jonz: at what point? during the install? di dyou make the filesystem bootable in fdisk. and is the bios configured to boot off the usb in the first place |
| 20:24.22 | Tuttle | Please ignore me in case the question is inappropriate. How to you backup power of the boxes with redundand power supplies. We bought 3 servers each with 2 supplies and considering what UPS to buy and how to connect it... any advices or URLs? |
| 20:24.31 | jonz | during boot of the computer, it doesn't see the usb at all... the bios is all set up and will boot the debian image, remember? |
| 20:24.55 | green_earz | jcm: To use growisofs to write a pre-mastered ISO-image to a DVD |
| 20:24.59 | zorton | once upon a time I saw a firewall configuration program that was cross platform and open sourced. It could generate firewall configs based on the rules you outline and whatever form of firewall you use. Anyone know which program i'm talking about? |
| 20:25.01 | shingouz | jonz: the partition set as bootable with fdisk? |
| 20:25.07 | jonz | yup |
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| 20:25.12 | jonz | and i've tried it partitionless too |
| 20:25.20 | jonz | in fact, i think the image only works when partitionless |
| 20:25.29 | jonz | so i've tried my flexible way partitionless as well, nothing |
| 20:25.33 | green_earz | jcm: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso and your /dev |
| 20:26.13 | streuner_ | kemm: cdrecord? |
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| 20:26.29 | croepha | when i try to insatalll a kernel image in a chroot environment i get /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device hwo do i fix this?? |
| 20:26.30 | jonz | how was that image made? |
| 20:26.36 | tortueverte | i have trouble installing debian 30r4. I am at the part where i need to create partition. where can i tell debian what type of partition should be used. i want ext2 and ext3 and a swap... |
| 20:26.39 | kemm | streuner, what do you mean ? |
| 20:26.39 | jcm | green_earz: already tried; -dvd-compat is for eading on another dvd reader; there i try from the burner |
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| 20:26.55 | silverton | what is the rename commands? |
| 20:27.00 | simonrvn | mv |
| 20:27.03 | streuner_ | kemm: what app do you want compile? |
| 20:27.04 | greycat | silverton: man mv, man rename |
| 20:27.12 | silverton | ok |
| 20:27.15 | shingouz | jonz: id try this next: just install debian onto the thingie as a normal install or make a custom install on a hd, then tar it onto the partitioned and formatted stick followed by a nice chroot operation? |
| 20:27.17 | jcm | green_earz: i even tried to add -use-the-force-luke, but nothing :/ the burning works well, doesn't complain |
| 20:27.21 | takatumi | what about mmv? |
| 20:27.24 | dvs | tortueverte: Then you want to use ext2 and swap (ext3 is alsao ext2) |
| 20:27.28 | greycat | takatumi: not installed by default |
| 20:27.39 | shingouz | grrr... phone |
| 20:27.53 | takatumi | greycat: hmm, just realized. |
| 20:27.57 | tortueverte | dvs: i found swap which is n# 82 (linux swap), but what is ext3 ? |
| 20:28.01 | kemm | streuner: something for the university, its some code I refactored, worked fine on another machine, but not on this one here |
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| 20:28.22 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.28 | jonz | shingouz you mean like tar -cpsf file.tar /dev/hda && tar -xpsf file.tar /dev/sda ? |
| 20:28.40 | greycat | tortueverte: "linux" is the partition type, not ext3 or ext2 or xfs or reiserfs |
| 20:28.44 | greycat | tortueverte: and that's 83. |
| 20:28.53 | tortueverte | i c |
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| 20:29.03 | crashbg | swap |
| 20:29.22 | crashbg | or 82 was swap and 83 was linux? |
| 20:29.22 | tortueverte | ok then i continue the isntallation =) i though he wanted to know the FS here... *sigh |
| 20:29.36 | crashbg | tortueverte, later you will :) |
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| 20:29.54 | kemm | first time I tried "make" there was an executable but it didnt work, now (also after reboot) theres only this error |
| 20:29.56 | tortueverte | got it =) |
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| 20:32.15 | kemm | streuner: any ideas ? Ive a massive problem when I cant fix it :] |
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| 20:33.01 | HolyGoat | anyone know why they split up the apache2 configuration in so many files? |
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| 20:33.45 | simonrvn | they felt like it |
| 20:33.49 | HolyGoat | heh |
| 20:34.10 | simonrvn | hint: a2[en|dis][site|mod] |
| 20:34.27 | relbs | is there a tool I can use to extract individual frames from an MPG and save them to image files? |
| 20:34.33 | jonz | what is this chroot operation you keep saying is necessary |
| 20:34.41 | jonz | there is no chroot operation documented anywhere to set up the boot loader :\ |
| 20:35.09 | raf256 | HOLLY COW |
| 20:35.15 | peterS | jonz: boot from CD, mount /dev/hdawhatever /mnt; chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
| 20:35.21 | HolyGoat | apparently in the README they state they want to make adding and removing modules etc. as flexible as possible.. but so far, "gee I can't find anything in a common place" was my primary thought |
| 20:35.27 | peterS | jonz: then 'mount /proc' and 'mount -a' and you have your filesystem |
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| 20:35.42 | Tuttle | YES! I repackaged php4 with msql & interbase successfully! |
| 20:35.47 | greycat | holly is a cow? |
| 20:35.47 | peterS | jonz: then run 'lilo' or 'grub-install' or what have you |
| 20:36.00 | tortueverte | i install debian on a notebook (Samsung X20). Will debian isntall everything i need? |
| 20:36.07 | jonz | peterS syslinux doesn't require a chroot - you just type syslinux /dev/sda1 or syslinux /dev/sda |
| 20:36.09 | takatumi | tortueverte: no |
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| 20:36.19 | pipeline | tortueverte: Probably not. Linux and wireless are ugly. |
| 20:36.25 | raf256 | mysql buffer for reporting an error is truncated to 256 bytes it seems. |
| 20:36.29 | websdale | kemm:does make work at all or just not with your code? |
| 20:36.32 | chr1s | is it possible to mount multiple directories at the same mount point? |
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| 20:36.36 | greycat | wireless chipset vendors are ugly. |
| 20:36.36 | peterS | jonz: right, if you have syslinux on your CDROM filesystem |
| 20:36.51 | peterS | chr1s: yes. last one wins. |
| 20:36.56 | peterS | chr1s: the others will be invisible |
| 20:36.58 | tortueverte | hum :-/ i would be glad if lan would work anyway |
| 20:37.11 | jonz | ya it is |
| 20:37.15 | takatumi | tortueverte: lan should work without problems, usually. |
| 20:37.28 | jonz | still doesn't boot the flash stick tho |
| 20:37.29 | chr1s | peterS, is it possible to do what I want? |
| 20:37.37 | peterS | chr1s: that would depend a great deal on what you want |
| 20:37.39 | chr1s | see multiple mounts as one big mount? |
| 20:38.09 | peterS | chr1s: you're looking for union mounts, or a union filesystem, or an overlay filesystem. none of these are in the linux kernel although patches exist and have existed for them |
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| 20:41.29 | vick | i got a message about a partiton being misconfigured and not being lba or forced to be non lba, and this might lead to data loss or something, how can i fix that ? |
| 20:42.18 | Tuttle | When I recompile some package using apt-get source && dpkg-buildpackage, the pkgs with the same revision will be made. What is the best way to differentiate the packages, e.g. aptitude will show it under Locally created packages. Is it a good idea? |
| 20:42.23 | tortueverte | i have a Broadcom NetLink Gigabit Ethernet (GIGABIT ethernet) car in my notebook. I don't know what i should choose as net module... |
| 20:42.29 | ryke | does anyone here speak some italian? |
| 20:42.40 | aardvark | !it |
| 20:42.41 | dpkg | i guess italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:42.41 | stew | raf256: are you saying you found a vulnerability? or that there is an annoyance that messages get truncated? |
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| 20:43.00 | petemc | tortueverte: i use tg3 for my broadcom gigabit nic |
| 20:43.05 | raf256 | stew: well the second for shure |
| 20:43.21 | stew | raf256: then "buffer overflow" was the wrong terminology |
| 20:43.26 | raf256 | hmm yes |
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| 20:43.48 | tortueverte | petemc what's the name of the module? can't find it |
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| 20:44.02 | peterS | tortueverte: uh, he just said - tg3 |
| 20:44.21 | tortueverte | no such module in my list :-/ |
| 20:44.24 | petemc | tortueverte: tigon 3, its called tg3 - as i said |
| 20:44.25 | stew | Tuttle: make an entry to the top of the changelog and change then "debian revision" portion of the version number from something like -1 to something like -1.tuttle.1 |
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| 20:44.49 | x25s | nas |
| 20:44.55 | x25s | set |
| 20:45.02 | Tuttle | stew: it is defined in debian/files only? |
| 20:45.03 | petemc | tortueverte: its possible your kernel doesnt have it - what kernel are you using? |
| 20:45.11 | stew | Tuttle: yes |
| 20:45.15 | Tuttle | stew: thanks |
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| 20:45.27 | bykte | what's the latest and stable build of debian? |
| 20:45.33 | davFr | hi, could someone remind me how to ask the helper bot to remind me about sarge / sid mixing |
| 20:45.37 | stew | Tuttle: and if you don't want a newer version from the debian repository to overwrite yours when you apt-get upgrade you should put the package on hold, /msg dpkg hold |
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| 20:45.53 | tortueverte | petemc: i downloaded the last stable release 30r4. don't know which kernel it is though. i am in the installation menu under "net" modules |
| 20:45.56 | stew | bykte: woody, 3.0r4 |
| 20:46.01 | petemc | bykte: latest and stable are almost mutually exclusive |
| 20:46.07 | directhex | bykte, the latest would be sid. stable would be woody |
| 20:46.07 | Tuttle | stew: i guessed this already and used = in aptitude :) hope it's the same result |
| 20:46.12 | RGONZALEZ | ALGUNA WOMAN |
| 20:46.23 | peterS | RGONZALEZ: settle down |
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| 20:46.37 | bykte | directhex, how do i check whether i got woody? |
| 20:46.39 | petemc | tortueverte: you wont find it - you would need to add a later kernel to the woody installer, or use the sarge installer |
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| 20:46.45 | tortueverte | oh |
| 20:46.47 | directhex | tortueverte, probably tg3, which doesn't work in debian (uses non-free firmware, use upstream) |
| 20:46.48 | peterS | bykte: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:46.52 | bykte | thanks |
| 20:47.00 | petemc | directhex: it works fine |
| 20:47.05 | directhex | bykte, what dopes the cd you installed from say on it? |
| 20:47.20 | bykte | directhex, someone installed it for me |
| 20:47.20 | cire | A friend of mine has a linux-server with various users who have root-rights. (this is neccessary, as he told me). One of those users uses the server to send spam etc. Afterwards he deletes the log files. What are his possibilities to get the user? (remember, the user can del the log files). He thought about running linux IN linux. So that the main system logs everything the child-system does/is done to. |
| 20:47.28 | bykte | they return 3.0 |
| 20:47.31 | peterS | bykte: debian_version 3.0 is woody |
| 20:47.37 | bykte | ah thanks |
| 20:47.49 | cirdan | cire: use a remote syslog |
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| 20:48.02 | directhex | bykte, 3.0 is woody. jan 2002 hardware support, jun 2002 apps. useless as a desktop, secure & stable as a server |
| 20:48.09 | dambodog_ | does anyone know a good dedicated hosting? and does anyone know of a good cheap 1u rack manifacture? makes solid machines? |
| 20:48.13 | bykte | yup, using it as a svr |
| 20:48.15 | bykte | not desktop |
| 20:48.24 | directhex | if said user si root, he can change syslog.conf & restart syslogd |
| 20:48.27 | stew | cire: its almost definately not necessary for him to give up root, you should get to the bottom of why he thinks he needs to |
| 20:48.49 | BadMan | what are *.asf? is that some sort of flash? |
| 20:48.50 | bykte | directhex, do you use a firewall on ur debian? |
| 20:49.05 | cire | remote syslog? If the system can write to it, why can't root delete it? |
| 20:49.07 | directhex | BadMan, windows media |
| 20:49.14 | BadMan | ick |
| 20:49.17 | directhex | bykte, nah, just behind NAT |
| 20:49.18 | pipeline | BadMan: asf is the microsoft streaming container format. It's usually windows media but it doesn't have to b. |
| 20:49.34 | directhex | pipeline, but the container format IS windows media. the codecs are besides the point |
| 20:49.41 | stew | cire: because they woudl have write only access to the remote syslog |
| 20:49.46 | bykte | directhex, any recommendations on firewall for debian? |
| 20:49.51 | BadMan | hmm.. |
| 20:49.52 | pipeline | directhex: That's unnecessarily confusing, as people usually refer to the codecs as "windows media" |
| 20:49.59 | directhex | bykte, iptables, as it comes with |
| 20:50.04 | pipeline | directhex: Should I just refer to everything microsoft produces as "DOT NET" ? |
| 20:50.11 | directhex | pipeline, people think avi==divx |
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| 20:50.22 | pipeline | directhex: Yeah, and that's another brand of moronism that I correct at every chance I get. |
| 20:50.24 | bykte | lol |
| 20:50.40 | peterS | pipeline: that problem isn't specific to WMV. people think of .ogg as ogg vorbis too (: |
| 20:50.44 | bykte | iptables huh..hrm... |
| 20:50.49 | directhex | pipeline, people are idiots, and can't mentally separate containers from codecs. but as it stands, in ordetr to open .asf, an app MUST understand the microsoft windows media container format |
| 20:51.04 | bykte | directhex, that's too much of a trouble for a nub |
| 20:51.09 | directhex | peterS, use of .ogm for non-vorbis ogg hasn't helped that |
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| 20:51.13 | pipeline | directhex: Many applications will understand the container format without understanding the codec, which just adds more confusion. |
| 20:51.18 | pipeline | directhex: You have the same problem with avi files. |
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| 20:51.48 | directhex | pipeline, don't look at me, i didn't design the system |
| 20:51.51 | peterS | directhex: it's still a container vs. codec problem. ogg can contain several things, just like avi, quicktime and asf |
| 20:52.03 | Ikarus | pipeline: I support your campaign to correct that behaviour |
| 20:52.04 | pipeline | peterS: Well, I've never seen an ogg container with an ogg extension that wasn't vorbis. Video files usually get the "ogm" extension and Ogg+flac usually get "flac" |
| 20:52.06 | cire | Remote syslog seems okay, but the user who has root rights, may disable it, doesn't he? |
| 20:52.25 | davem | ogm is not ogg |
| 20:52.28 | stew | cire: yes. they really shouldn't have root if you don't trust them fully |
| 20:52.32 | stew | cire: why do they need root? |
| 20:52.34 | peterS | davem: it isn't? what is it? |
| 20:52.54 | jonz | hmm well i just installed sarge from CD onto my USB flash and it still won't boot, it only boots with the partitionless image from the website (which leaves me with only 128m) |
| 20:53.17 | bykte | i guess java doesnt have the installation file for debian |
| 20:53.20 | directhex | peterS, well yes. i'm aware of the issues surrounding this topic. i think we have a case of 3 people arguing the same point at each other |
| 20:53.23 | cire | I think I'll let him explain... I'll ask him to get in here. It's no use, he explaining me, me explaining you, you answering me, me telling him your answers ;) |
| 20:53.26 | stew | bykte: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:53.32 | directhex | bykte, install java-package, and use it to make a .deb from a sun.com .bin |
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| 20:53.49 | Mardus | Hi again... |
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| 20:54.10 | greycat | ?> you feel very firm |
| 20:54.12 | greycat | bah. |
| 20:54.20 | directhex | O_o |
| 20:54.26 | Mardus | Question about libc5 and woody. I did dpkg -S libc5 and nothing was found. Is it safe to assume that libc5 is not in my system? |
| 20:54.26 | simonrvn | heh. wtf |
| 20:54.30 | greycat | wrong channel, wrong bot. |
| 20:54.40 | stew | wrong wrong wrong |
| 20:54.41 | simonrvn | looks like MUD |
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| 20:54.50 | greycat | simonrvn: it's Rodney in #nethack |
| 20:54.55 | simonrvn | ah |
| 20:55.01 | directhex | !grue greycat |
| 20:55.10 | directhex | aw, greycat wasn't eaten by a grue :( |
| 20:55.17 | peterS | directhex: nooooo. not the grue. nobody deserves to be eaten by a grue |
| 20:55.22 | greycat | directhex: I got better. |
| 20:55.23 | bykte | stew, directhex, which one should i get? the testing or unstable? |
| 20:55.24 | peterS | directhex: even if, sometimes, it is likely |
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| 20:55.54 | directhex | right, i'm off for now. i hope you can all cope without me |
| 20:55.58 | stew | bykte: testing |
| 20:56.09 | peterS | tell us a story of containers and codecs, uncle directhex |
| 20:56.15 | cire | Bobbi is the one |
| 20:56.26 | directhex | peterS, don't make me drop .shn files on you |
| 20:56.31 | Bobbi | hello, I'm the idiot giving everyone root access |
| 20:56.39 | stew | heh |
| 20:56.45 | Phated | Not everyone yet. |
| 20:56.46 | davem | peterS: I don't know anything actually. But what is this link talking about? http://svn.xiph.org/websites/xiph.org/container/ogm.html |
| 20:56.46 | stew | Bobbi: why do they need root? |
| 20:56.48 | bykte | Bobbi, cool, me too |
| 20:57.25 | stew | Bobbi: if they need some root privs to do a thing or two give them access with sudo to only what they need |
| 20:57.37 | bykte | stew, so all i have to do is download the .deb file for the java right? |
| 20:57.43 | Bobbi | old system - rewriting it already, but it takes some time |
| 20:57.49 | Thanatermesis | Off Topic: Sourceforge's project's have the posiblity of control the status of the web in the homepage's of the projects? (number fo downloads, visitors... etc) |
| 20:58.01 | Bobbi | and until it's done (roughly 2-3 months), I'd love to get the idiot uploading phishing scam to our server |
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| 20:58.16 | stew | Bobbi: download the java-pacakge.deb, dpkg -i it and rung make-jpkg on a .bin you downlaoded from java.sun.com |
| 20:58.22 | stew | bykte: ^^^^ |
| 20:58.26 | bykte | ok |
| 20:58.26 | stew | bykte: sory misfire |
| 20:58.49 | bykte | i guess u r refering to http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/j/java-package/java-package_0.23_all.deb <-- correct? |
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| 20:59.22 | stew | bykte: yes |
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| 20:59.37 | kuonSama | hello |
| 20:59.42 | stew | Bobbi: so there is someone who has root to your box but you don't know who and they are running scams from it? |
| 20:59.53 | bykte | erm Stew, they report an error |
| 20:59.55 | bykte | about fakeroot |
| 21:00.03 | peterS | davem: I was just taking people's word for it that .ogm was used to designate ogg video files. perhaps it is not, perhaps it's only used for those other codecs in that variant format discussed at your link |
| 21:00.07 | kuonSama | I don't know wich pop/imap server to choose for my debian box, any advice? I already have a complete sendmail/spamassasin working configuration |
| 21:00.07 | Bobbi | stew: Exactly |
| 21:00.15 | simonrvn | oh man |
| 21:00.21 | kuonSama | any idea? |
| 21:00.40 | Bobbi | and while I know that I could simply take root rights and limit their abilities to do so, I'd love to find that person first |
| 21:01.14 | stew | bykte: what is the error? read the docs in /usr/share/doc/java-pacakge |
| 21:01.23 | simonrvn | so you could do what we call in french, Ă©tripper? :) |
| 21:01.30 | simonrvn | (disembowel) |
| 21:01.34 | kuonSama | lol |
| 21:01.38 | stew | Bobbi: ewwww |
| 21:01.42 | bykte | stew, am i on i386 or i686? |
| 21:01.56 | stew | bykte: what cpu do you have? |
| 21:02.10 | kuonSama | démanbrer, écarteler, torturer |
| 21:02.14 | kuonSama | que de beaux mots! |
| 21:02.18 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:02.27 | ecfx | How can I download packages I already have with apt? |
| 21:02.29 | stew | bykte: (cat /proc/cpuinfo would tell you) |
| 21:02.37 | ecfx | I need to put make on my laptop that doesn't have internet access. |
| 21:02.43 | simonrvn | ecfx: man apt-get, man apt |
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| 21:02.49 | davem | peterS: I think .ogv is the recommended ext for theora(video). |
| 21:02.53 | jamie^ | Bobbi: reinstall everything from scratch.. |
| 21:02.57 | kuonSama | so no advice for pop/imap server? |
| 21:03.09 | stew | Bobbi: do you know how they are logging in? ssh? in any case if they are removing log files, logging all of syslog to a remote machine where they cannot is a good idea |
| 21:03.11 | peterS | davem: quite possibly. I don't use it (or .ogm) so I don't know |
| 21:03.11 | jan_ | ps aux |grep pyzor |wc -l |
| 21:03.11 | jan_ | 74 |
| 21:03.13 | jan_ | hm :/ |
| 21:03.46 | simonrvn | kuonSama: courier is easy-ish to install/config, cyrus is harder, but more tweaks |
| 21:03.57 | kuonSama | ok thanks |
| 21:04.16 | bykte | stew, nope, neber mentioned |
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| 21:05.10 | iMeXdiAC | how would i use netcat () |
| 21:05.21 | Thanatermesis | any link-howto of how to install xorg from ubuntu ? |
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| 21:05.29 | bykte | hehe i thought install java would be as easy as apt-get instlal java :< |
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| 21:05.37 | FarrisG | Uggh, this is driving me insane. I've narrowed it down. In Nautilus, my home directory, if I choose View as List, then change directories, then come back to home, then change directories again, then come back to home, it switches to View As Icons, every time. |
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| 21:05.45 | stew | bykte: what is the error? you probably just have to run "fakeroot make-jpkg ..." instead of make-jpkg |
| 21:05.58 | stew | bykte: debian will not distribute java as its non-free |
| 21:06.05 | greycat | !java licensing |
| 21:06.06 | dpkg | read the faq at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html#s-license-concerns |
| 21:06.08 | citral | Thanatermesis: no. we won't help you to break your system ;) |
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| 21:06.14 | bykte | strange how come java is not free |
| 21:06.15 | bykte | lol |
| 21:06.21 | Thanatermesis | citral, :/ |
| 21:06.28 | stew | bykte: good question, ask sun |
| 21:06.29 | greycat | because Sun sucks and is evil. |
| 21:06.38 | jc-denton | bykte: leanr python |
| 21:06.39 | Thanatermesis | citral, I need to use xorg for include this system in Elive project |
| 21:06.41 | greycat | !magic hate ball |
| 21:06.44 | bykte | jc-denton, i cant |
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| 21:06.48 | bykte | my course is teaching java |
| 21:06.50 | jc-denton | it's better then java and fee |
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| 21:06.53 | jc-denton | bykte: mine too |
| 21:06.56 | jc-denton | then learn it both |
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| 21:07.05 | bykte | heck, i will grab a book when i go to the library then |
| 21:07.05 | jc-denton | java is good |
| 21:07.09 | jc-denton | but python is :)))) |
| 21:07.23 | Thanatermesis | citral, what are the actually problem of xorg? are inestable ? |
| 21:07.32 | citral | Thanatermesis: /msg dpkg get xorg, but you're really on your own |
| 21:07.44 | Thanatermesis | ok, thx |
| 21:07.49 | stew | @dict inestable |
| 21:07.54 | ravenbird | could not find definition for inestable |
| 21:07.58 | bykte | lol |
| 21:08.03 | bykte | i think he meant unstable |
| 21:08.06 | bykte | @dick unstable |
| 21:08.09 | bykte | oops |
| 21:08.11 | citral | Thanatermesis: not enough tested, and the devs prefer to focus on releasing sarge instead of trying to fix new incoming packages. |
| 21:08.12 | bykte | typo |
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| 21:08.42 | Thanatermesis | humm... ok, thx |
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| 21:08.49 | stew | i'm frankly suprised that ravenbird desn't have a dict cmd: |
| 21:08.51 | stew | err dick |
| 21:08.58 | peterS | bykte: your dick is unstable? |
| 21:09.01 | bykte | lol sorry |
| 21:09.03 | bykte | typo :D |
| 21:09.03 | cirdan | heh |
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| 21:09.40 | takatumi | !dict dick |
| 21:09.42 | dpkg | could not find definition for dick |
| 21:09.43 | travisat | !lol bykte |
| 21:09.54 | takatumi | that settles it. |
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| 21:10.12 | bykte | hrm..why is everyone so against debian |
| 21:10.24 | takatumi | bykte: they are? |
| 21:10.28 | citral | who? gentoobies? |
| 21:10.33 | valdyn_ | bykte: who? |
| 21:10.53 | bykte | yeah everytime i ask what linux is good and say is debian good" they will reply "fuck debian. it's old crappy shit, probably wont even work shit" |
| 21:10.59 | citral | microsoft? |
| 21:11.05 | bykte | no other linux users |
| 21:11.13 | simonrvn | idiots... |
| 21:11.25 | citral | htey don't have a clue... poor people. |
| 21:11.25 | bykte | they keep recommending me fedora |
| 21:11.26 | bykte | lol |
| 21:11.28 | takatumi | bykte: try it if you have the balls. |
| 21:11.31 | simonrvn | citral: yeh |
| 21:11.33 | travisat | !lol |
| 21:11.33 | dpkg | LOL stands for Laughs Out Loud, or (more commonly) Lamer On Line. If you insist on using this atrocity, try "/me lol" (preferably after /join #teenchat). "heh" or "haha" is greatly preferred. See also <loll>. |
| 21:11.43 | bykte | takatumi, u mean debian? |
| 21:11.56 | simonrvn | bykte: oh, and be a beta tester for RHEL? no thanks |
| 21:12.00 | jc-denton | well the if they try stable and then say it's old shit.. |
| 21:12.14 | tortueverte | !loll |
| 21:12.14 | dpkg | loll, v.i. ... 3. To let the tongue hang from the mouth, as an ox, dog, or other animal, when heated by labor; as, the ox stood lolling in the furrow. ... v 2: be lazy or idle; "The triple porter of the Stygian seat, With lolling tongue lay fawning at thy feet." --Dryden. |
| 21:12.29 | jc-denton | u |
| 21:12.34 | jc-denton | !u |
| 21:12.34 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 21:12.40 | jc-denton | heh |
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| 21:13.07 | drac | userfriendlyspam again :( |
| 21:13.21 | simonrvn | which one? |
| 21:13.32 | cirdan | heh |
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| 21:13.34 | bykte | how do i prevent by debian from getting hacked? |
| 21:13.41 | drac | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:13.47 | drac | (sorry for spam.) |
| 21:13.51 | citral | bykte: don't go on internet |
| 21:13.53 | simonrvn | oh. ok :) |
| 21:14.05 | bykte | citral, i cant stop my 24 hours svr from running can i? |
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| 21:14.25 | citral | bykte: /msg dpkg secure debian is a good start |
| 21:14.32 | bykte | ah ok |
| 21:14.41 | bykte | so basically u can ask dpkg any question |
| 21:14.47 | bykte | geez, that guy sure have lots of time on his hands |
| 21:15.09 | citral | and he always answer the same! |
| 21:15.14 | simonrvn | it's a bot |
| 21:15.15 | pingouin_ | i've trie /msg dpkg cindy C. 's phone number ....no answer... |
| 21:15.29 | jc-denton | bykte: lsof -nPi |
| 21:15.32 | bykte | citral no useful info |
| 21:15.47 | citral | uh |
| 21:15.48 | bykte | yeah jc-denton |
| 21:15.49 | jc-denton | then remove all stuff you don't need |
| 21:15.52 | bykte | list all teh ports |
| 21:15.53 | citral | who made that factoid |
| 21:15.54 | valdyn_ | !secure debian |
| 21:15.54 | dpkg | [secure debian] a good start |
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| 21:16.02 | simonrvn | citral: i'm building some gnome stuff (2.10), almost done i think. will be up pretty soon |
| 21:16.09 | citral | !factinfo secure debian |
| 21:16.09 | dpkg | secure debian -- created by bykte <bykte@cm29.omega50.maxonline.com.sg> 59s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by valdyn_, 15s ago. |
| 21:16.30 | valdyn_ | !moron bykte |
| 21:16.31 | dpkg | bykte: You are moron #77 |
| 21:16.39 | bykte | :< |
| 21:16.54 | citral | simonrvn: for ppc? |
| 21:17.28 | simonrvn | of course |
| 21:17.39 | citral | dpkg: no, secure debian is at http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/host_security/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 21:17.39 | dpkg | citral: okay |
| 21:17.53 | bykte | oh |
| 21:17.57 | bykte | it''s not a bot |
| 21:18.03 | valdyn_ | bykte: in case you missed it, you tought dpkg a new reply to "secure debian" |
| 21:18.06 | citral | it's a bot |
| 21:18.22 | bykte | lol |
| 21:18.27 | bykte | it's almost human like |
| 21:18.29 | travisat | dpkg: what are you |
| 21:18.29 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:18.51 | citral | bloated bot :) |
| 21:18.56 | simonrvn | citral: q-funk is building gnome-session. all that's left is gnome-applets, and maybe galeon - deps changed |
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| 21:19.08 | bykte | dpkg: are you gay |
| 21:19.16 | simonrvn | !gender |
| 21:19.16 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 21:19.22 | simonrvn | !gender |
| 21:19.34 | simonrvn | !gender |
| 21:19.34 | dpkg | I'm sexless |
| 21:19.40 | ecfx | Where is a directory of the main packages in sarge? |
| 21:19.44 | simonrvn | heh |
| 21:19.45 | ecfx | I can't find it on ftp.us.debian.org |
| 21:19.49 | simonrvn | ecfx: context? |
| 21:19.57 | simonrvn | look in debian/pool/ |
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| 21:20.20 | bykte | btw, how do i set my ip to PTR? |
| 21:20.29 | citral | ecfx: or on your machine, in /var/cache/apt/ |
| 21:20.32 | doug | i'm having trouble finding a module for apache2 to limit bw to the same IPs .. googling suggests to go back to 1.3 |
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| 21:20.41 | doug | any suggestions? |
| 21:20.48 | citral | the same |
| 21:20.51 | doug | bandwidth, not connections |
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| 21:20.58 | cureless | doug: do it via the kernel? |
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| 21:22.01 | bykte | ah damn i gonna have lots of trouble with bind |
| 21:22.28 | cureless | bykte: what's giving you trouble? |
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| 21:22.36 | bykte | bind |
| 21:22.54 | cureless | doug: don't message the people unless asked |
| 21:23.02 | cureless | bykte: what part of bind? |
| 21:23.07 | doug | i know .. mistake |
| 21:23.13 | stew | bykte: you want to reverse map your ip with a PTR? are you talking about a public ip or a private one? |
| 21:23.23 | bykte | private ip |
| 21:23.28 | bykte | ok wait |
| 21:23.36 | bykte | what's the diff between public and private in this case? |
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| 21:23.43 | stew | bykte: like an RFC1918 address? |
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| 21:23.49 | petemc | bykte: whats the ip? |
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| 21:24.02 | bykte | 208.53.170.51 |
| 21:24.07 | valdyn_ | doug: google tells me theres an apache/apache2 module called "bwshare" |
| 21:24.21 | stew | bykte: for that you need to talk to whomever shows up when you type "whois 208.53.170.51" |
| 21:24.23 | petemc | bykte: you'll have to ask your isp |
| 21:24.32 | bykte | stew, that's the ip assigned to me |
| 21:24.34 | bykte | by the IDC |
| 21:24.37 | bykte | for my svr |
| 21:24.41 | valdyn_ | doug: its not in sid unfortunately |
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| 21:24.51 | cureless | bykte: they will assign your reverse. |
| 21:25.02 | bykte | cureless, i got dns management over it |
| 21:25.06 | valdyn_ | doug: http://www.topology.org/src/bwshare/README.html |
| 21:25.09 | bykte | i mean i am allowed to do anything with it |
| 21:25.12 | doug | valdyn_: i'm on sarge ... |
| 21:25.13 | citral | valdyn_: nobody wants to run a web server on sid... |
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| 21:25.27 | valdyn_ | citral: i know |
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| 21:25.33 | Mardus | Hi again. |
| 21:25.33 | JediMaster | anyone know the outgoing mail fir for postfix? |
| 21:25.36 | valdyn_ | doug: if its not in sid its much less in sarge |
| 21:25.58 | JediMaster | is it /var/spool/postfix/maildrop? |
| 21:26.06 | bykte | stew, so how do i go about with the reverse map of IP using PTR? |
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| 21:26.16 | doug | valdyn_: damn .. hard to believe there's no module for this that's compatible with apache2 |
| 21:26.21 | Opiated | cd /bin/laden |grep osama |
| 21:26.23 | mighty1 | Hi |
| 21:26.30 | doug | this is a very common thing to want to do |
| 21:26.36 | valdyn_ | doug: eh? i just told you about it.. its just not in debian |
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| 21:26.48 | cureless | bykte: are you sure? |
| 21:26.53 | bykte | cureless, yup |
| 21:27.21 | doug | valdyn_: so i should try it anyway with a non apt install of the tgz? |
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| 21:27.25 | stew | bykte: you would need to setup a zone for 170.53.208.in-addr-arpa |
| 21:27.29 | Mardus | valdyn_, et al: Now, I did advance a bit with that Acrobat 3.0x stuff. One thing is that I installed libc5 (as per suggestions from the web for another program) and after that I activated the shell script that activates acroread and then got the first error message about missing libraries. |
| 21:27.33 | cureless | bykte: so there's no way NS3.FDCSERVERS.NET could actually be doing the reverse. Or is taht you? |
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| 21:27.48 | stew | bykte: similar to the 127.in-addr-arpa that you already have |
| 21:27.49 | citral | JediMaster: it's probably /var/mail/user by default, you can override it with home_mailbox = |
| 21:27.52 | doug | valdyn_: ohh hey now it says it is compatible with 2.0.44.. thanks man |
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| 21:28.01 | mighty1 | I am tryng to configurate a marconi usb modem but i get: Inappropriate ioctl for device: when I try to get connected |
| 21:28.04 | dabreegster | Anybody know why the terminal beep (control G) on the console would suddenly stop working? |
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| 21:28.10 | bykte | cureless, nah fdc didnt do the reverse for me |
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| 21:28.17 | bykte | i am supposed to do it myself if i wanted |
| 21:28.35 | vkd | OT: anyone know how I can force uw-imap to look into ~/Mail for folders instead of ~/ ? |
| 21:28.39 | bykte | stew, how do u setup the zone ? |
| 21:28.46 | JediMaster | citral: theMailscanner config for the debian package for exim said /var/spool/exim4/input |
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| 21:29.21 | metaperl_ | is anyone aware of any shared hosting situations with low cost? |
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| 21:29.39 | cureless | bykte: ok, assuming you are right and have control, the dns servers will point to you for that zone. |
| 21:29.46 | citral | JediMaster: ls -l /var/spool/ |
| 21:29.47 | dabreegster | metaperl_: cheap web hosting? how much? |
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| 21:29.59 | bykte | cureless, yeah |
| 21:30.00 | stew | bykte: google for dns howto, buy the oreilly book "DNS and BIND" |
| 21:30.06 | metaperl_ | well, as cheap as I can get I suppose :) |
| 21:30.07 | cureless | bykte: named.conf defines zones, one should be 170.53.208.in-addr.arpa and in there you add an entry for 5 |
| 21:30.07 | citral | lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7 Dec 6 21:48 mail -> ../mail |
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| 21:30.21 | metaperl_ | that's like answering the salary question at an interview: "as much as I can get I suppose" |
| 21:30.25 | bykte | ok where is named.conf at? |
| 21:30.38 | stew | omg |
| 21:30.40 | tam | stupid question: does anyone know where the debian firefox plugin directory is? |
| 21:30.43 | bykte | ok /etc? |
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| 21:30.53 | cureless | bykte: you need to read a faq/howto on bind. you can't ask all the questions here. |
| 21:30.56 | petemc | bykte: if you have to ask that, forget about configuring bind - its not gonna happpen |
| 21:31.00 | bykte | lol :D ok ok |
| 21:31.02 | bykte | trying my luck |
| 21:31.05 | bykte | ran out :< |
| 21:31.14 | Mardus | valdyn_: But the problem is this: the missing library is not really missing and exists as a real file in my system. The actual executable's address for these is such: /usr/local/X11R5/lib/X11, but I have X11R6 and the actual files are in /usr/X11R6/lib... Would it do good to re-create those X11R5 directories and then create symlinks to those files to X11R6 locations? |
| 21:31.19 | dabreegster | metaperl_: If you're offering cheapish web hosting that's decent, I might've found a place for my new Linux and programming website. |
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| 21:31.48 | silverton | tam, /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 21:31.51 | darnold | ciao... |
| 21:31.52 | silverton | that's where it _should_ be |
| 21:32.00 | metaperl_ | isn'dabreegster, I am currently hosted at hcoop.net which appears to be the largest cooperative internet hosting site... but I want to get away from them |
| 21:32.01 | tam | cheers silverton |
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| 21:32.15 | silverton | :) |
| 21:32.16 | metaperl_ | s/isn'// |
| 21:32.21 | dabreegster | metaperl_: oh, you're looking for hosting. Sorry, can't help ya. |
| 21:32.26 | metaperl_ | oh ok |
| 21:32.37 | valdyn_ | Mardus: look at /etc/ld.so.conf or link it w/ LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/lib.so |
| 21:32.47 | metaperl_ | godaddy.com seems to have the best price for hosting but they use redhat |
| 21:33.17 | citral | the best price is free.fr... it's free. without advertising |
| 21:33.39 | DiegoElias | guys, i removed bind using apt-get remove bind and i remove the files in the /etc/bind too... now when i try to install again i see that: Starting domain name service: namedcan't open '/etc/bind/named.conf'. How can i fix it ? |
| 21:33.45 | citral | but you need an ip from them, so I have to connect with modem to upload. that sucks. |
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| 21:34.46 | valdyn_ | Mardus: you can try also what you said but you might also need the real X11R5 libs, i dont know that |
| 21:35.04 | Mardus | valdyn_: I had a similar hunch. Now, ldd acroread refers to libraries that are there, but not found, but libc5 stuff was found. |
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| 21:35.20 | bykte | lol |
| 21:35.25 | bykte | i can install bind using apt-get too? |
| 21:35.26 | bykte | rofl |
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| 21:35.52 | pipeline | bykte: yes. |
| 21:36.01 | bykte | it's look like apt-get is god! |
| 21:36.03 | DiegoElias | i think so... |
| 21:36.05 | DiegoElias | guys, i removed bind using apt-get remove bind and i remove the files in the /etc/bind too... now when i try to install again i see that: Starting domain name service: namedcan't open '/etc/bind/named.conf'. How can i fix it ? |
| 21:36.14 | DiegoElias | any guy ? :) |
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| 21:36.20 | warchest | chmod/chown it ? |
| 21:36.22 | Mardus | valdyn_: Question to confirm: If I ran into problems, then removing symlinks will leave files links to as normal as ever? |
| 21:36.23 | bykte | can i tell if bind is installed? |
| 21:36.23 | emullen | hi |
| 21:36.30 | simonrvn | um, you rmed it... |
| 21:36.37 | doug | is installing apache2-mod_bwshare via aliening a rpm and dpkging it a bad idea? |
| 21:36.38 | warchest | dpkg -l|grep -i bind |
| 21:36.39 | Mardus | valdyn_: * linked to |
| 21:36.42 | warchest | and next time |
| 21:36.46 | warchest | apt-get remove --purge bind |
| 21:36.53 | pipeline | doug: Yes, very. It might work, but I wouldn't count it. |
| 21:36.59 | simonrvn | dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/bind9*.deb |
| 21:37.01 | pipeline | doug: Apache modules are compiled against a specific apache source tree |
| 21:37.01 | warchest | "ii bind" means its installed |
| 21:37.04 | bykte | ii bind 8.3.3-2.0woody Internet Domain Name Server |
| 21:37.04 | bykte | ii bind-dev 8.3.3-2.0woody Libraries used by BIND |
| 21:37.06 | warchest | "rc" is not installed |
| 21:37.09 | warchest | ok its install bykte |
| 21:37.21 | bykte | i see i learnt something new |
| 21:37.22 | doug | ok then i'll just do it with the source like everyone else |
| 21:37.27 | pipeline | doug: It would be like installing kernel modules (only not as serious, obviously -- if apache segfaults, the system doesn't go down) |
| 21:37.32 | bykte | installed doesnt mean it's running right? |
| 21:37.35 | Mardus | valdyn_: Anyways, I'll try the symlinking first... |
| 21:37.35 | DiegoElias | warchest: thank you..thats works fine now... |
| 21:37.42 | emullen | is it pos to get a wireless wifi G card workong on debian ? |
| 21:37.45 | stew | bykte: you want bind9 not bind |
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| 21:38.32 | bykte | huh? |
| 21:38.33 | DiegoElias | warchest: what purge does? |
| 21:38.51 | warchest | Diego: removes configuration files and keeps it from showing up in dpkg -l as "rc" |
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| 21:39.03 | warchest | and yes, use bind9 |
| 21:39.15 | emullen | any here ive its pos to get Linksys card working on debian? |
| 21:39.29 | bykte | dpkg -l|grep -i bind9 <-- this huh? |
| 21:39.31 | warchest | emullen: 802.11 ? |
| 21:39.32 | DiegoElias | warchest: its working now.... |
| 21:39.40 | DiegoElias | work |
| 21:39.42 | warchest | bykte: no |
| 21:39.44 | emullen | 802.11G |
| 21:39.45 | stew | bykte: no, apt-get remove bind ; apt-get install bind9 |
| 21:39.54 | warchest | apt-get remove --purge bind |
| 21:40.04 | warchest | emullen: use ndiswrapper |
| 21:40.09 | emullen | ty |
| 21:40.18 | emullen | have nice day ;) |
| 21:40.19 | warchest | should be on sourceforge |
| 21:40.36 | emullen | leave Linux rocks |
| 21:40.38 | emullen | leave |
| 21:40.41 | emullen | uh |
| 21:40.45 | dataw0lf|w | /part |
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| 21:41.04 | DiegoElias | when i try to use: apt-get remove --purge bind i get this: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
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| 21:41.09 | Mardus | valdyn_: I got to thinking... I don't know the exact locations of a lib.so file in X11R5. I've noted the other suggestion, though... |
| 21:41.11 | warchest | DiegoElias: run it as root |
| 21:41.14 | warchest | you're not root are you? ;) |
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| 21:41.16 | DiegoElias | i'm root |
| 21:41.17 | bykte | stew, bind9 is for the ptr A records MX stuff right? not bind |
| 21:41.20 | bykte | pronto? |
| 21:41.25 | warchest | DiegoElias: ps axu|grep -i apt |
| 21:41.25 | DiegoElias | E: Năo foi possível obter trava /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Recurso temporariamente indisponível) |
| 21:41.30 | warchest | see if another process is using it |
| 21:41.33 | Phated | DiegoElias: You have another apt-get process in another tty or something? |
| 21:41.42 | DiegoElias | hmm...let me see |
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| 21:41.55 | stew | bykte: bind9 is just a newer version, bind is bind8 which is bind for people that are too lazy to fix their configs to work in bind9 |
| 21:41.56 | dabreegster | hey Phated, what's up? Long time no see. |
| 21:42.00 | Cal[]John | i really need a hand getting the debian boot discs set up. can anyone help me? pretty please :p |
| 21:42.13 | bykte | oh i see ok |
| 21:42.13 | warchest | Cal[]John: use the sarge net installer |
| 21:42.16 | Phated | Hey dabreegster. I'm still on a really long holiday. What's up with you? |
| 21:42.17 | dabreegster | Cal[]John: ask a specific question and somebody might. |
| 21:42.43 | alexrait1 | hello, I have a question about pppoeconf. It works ok for me, but after the configuration e.t.c I don't know what command triggers the connection. (I chose not to start the connection at boot) |
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| 21:42.59 | dabreegster | Phated: I'm about to transfer my console environment to screen just for a status line, I'm awaiting The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy with an insane amount of excitement... |
| 21:43.01 | warchest | alexrait1: /etc/init.d/ppp* |
| 21:43.20 | dabreegster | Phated: Plus, lately I've been having a good bit more luck socially, at school and stuff. |
| 21:43.23 | warchest | alexrait1: dpkg -L pppoeconf will show you a list of files, /usr/share/doc/<pkg> will have its documentation for debian |
| 21:43.43 | Cal[]John | ok. I can't get rawrite to work in dos. I'm on XP atm, does that make a difference? |
| 21:43.49 | Phated | dabreegster: Great to hear it. I'm waiting for H2G2 like you wouldn't believe. I've finished huge exams, about to start polytechnic. :D |
| 21:44.07 | bykte | stew, The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 21:44.07 | bykte | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.13 | Mardus | Phated: What's H2G2? |
| 21:44.15 | warchest | bykte: correct |
| 21:44.15 | bykte | yes? huh? |
| 21:44.20 | warchest | use --purge |
| 21:44.25 | dabreegster | Phated: polytechnic? :P A class about fireworks and pyromania? Seen the UK trailer, btw? With the funny British narrator and shwoo rock music. |
| 21:44.26 | Phated | Mardus: Hitchhiker's. |
| 21:44.32 | bwlang | Mardus: hitchhikers guide to the galaxy 2 |
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| 21:44.41 | Phated | No, there's no 2. |
| 21:44.49 | DiegoElias | stew: do you think that bind9 is better? |
| 21:44.56 | bykte | huh --purge? oh no i already issued remove |
| 21:44.57 | mngrif | hitchhiker's guide is HHGTG |
| 21:45.00 | Phated | dabreegster: Hah, funny. Diploma in networking. :) And no, I saw the international one. |
| 21:45.06 | dabreegster | H2G2 is a book, a series of books, a movie, TV episode, I.F. game... |
| 21:45.21 | Phated | It's hitchhiker's. Sheesh. |
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| 21:45.26 | mngrif | eh, i guess H2G2 could be an abbreviation... people need to standardize this shiznat |
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| 21:45.30 | dabreegster | Phated: Neat. The one they showed on TV here was teh sux, so I found a *real* trailer. |
| 21:45.38 | stew | DiegoElias: without a doubt |
| 21:45.53 | Phated | dabreegster: Haha. I have no idea which one I saw. I think it was the intl one. Probably was. :) |
| 21:46.08 | Cal[]John | if im using gnu/linux for the first time, would it be better to start with Sarge or start with Woody? i haven't used unix at all before. |
| 21:46.08 | Mardus | Phated, bwlang: Difference between "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" and "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 2"? Has the former already been released as a movie? |
| 21:46.10 | bykte | stew, i got "Abort." when i tried install? |
| 21:46.17 | Phated | Mardus: There IS no 2. |
| 21:46.31 | bykte | lol accidentally cancel it |
| 21:46.32 | bykte | soryr |
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| 21:46.41 | Phated | H2 stands for Hitch Hiker's. G2 stands for Guide to the Galaxy. Obvious enough? |
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| 21:46.56 | Mardus | Phated: Yea, now it is. |
| 21:47.02 | alexrait1 | warchest, There is no infromation at /usr/doc.... one small readme file that doesn't say much |
| 21:47.09 | alexrait1 | warchest, and I don't have the ppp file.. |
| 21:47.13 | bwlang | Mardus: it's a bbc thing... supposed to make your cell phone into some kind of dynamic map |
| 21:47.19 | elnovato | hello mello, |
| 21:47.31 | elnovato | how to install gnome base packs only? |
| 21:47.39 | elnovato | apt-get gnome_base ? |
| 21:47.47 | elnovato | errr, apt-get install gnome_base ? |
| 21:47.50 | pipeline | elnovato: you want to install the "gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 21:47.52 | dabreegster | Phated: "Movie trailers are designed to give you a view of the film in question in a very short space of time..." "And most trailers feature a narrator who sounds like he's been chewing cigars since childhood. *ehem*." "Finally, trailers feature a final montage, often set to rock music, designed to blow any synapses remaining in your mind." ~ Quotes from the good version. |
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| 21:47.55 | Mardus | bwlang: The 'Guide was also a radio play on BBC. I thought it was a classic of some sort from books, but just couldn't put a finger on what made it so funny/interesting. |
| 21:47.58 | tuxyAtitude | hi. I just discovered m23, it's like SMS from microsoft, and looks so sweeeeet. http://m23.sourceforge.net/PostNuke-0.750/html/index.php?newlang=eng |
| 21:48.11 | stew | dabreegster: Phated: there are several hhgg trailers on apple.com/trailers |
| 21:48.18 | Phated | dabreegster: Hah. |
| 21:48.21 | elnovato | thsnks pipeline |
| 21:48.25 | dabreegster | stew: I know, I've got most of em. And I'm on dialup here. |
| 21:48.25 | alexrait1 | warchest, oh... I do have that file... sorry . thanx |
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| 21:48.59 | Phated | dabreegster: Duuude... Still on dialup? Skip the social life, man, get some cash for cable! :) |
| 21:49.17 | Huschi | i tried to install a bootsplash. but the vga mode 791 doesn't work for my system. it tells me that this mode isn't available. what to do? |
| 21:49.25 | elnovato | and im a bit drunk |
| 21:49.37 | dabreegster | Phated: My family's probably going to, soonish. We dont have cable outlets already installed in the house and it's a lot of trouble to get em without forking over lots of money. |
| 21:49.55 | dabreegster | Huschi: good luck; I spent a week trying to get [boot|deb]splash to work. Not worth it. |
| 21:50.02 | elnovato | when i do echo "null" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager << also affects gnome ?? |
| 21:50.13 | Phated | dabreegster: Ah, yeah, OK. Good luck on that. :) |
| 21:50.27 | warchest | splash screens are an enormous waste of time |
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| 21:50.50 | Huschi | but it's a problem with the framebuffer not with the bootsplash. |
| 21:51.04 | dabreegster | Phated: In other news, I'm now a halfway-decent Perl programmer. I wrote a decent-ish music playing daemon that can do multiple levels of pausing and resuming, plus it has nifty keyboard controls |
| 21:51.16 | epictetus | I have a question about domain registration and DNS... how does a root dns server know what the authoritative dns server for a domain is? |
| 21:51.30 | warchest | Huschi: eh.. what boot loader you using ? |
| 21:51.33 | epictetus | like when you register a domain, you usually point the DNS entries to hostnames, right.. |
| 21:51.35 | Huschi | grub. |
| 21:51.35 | elnovato | ? |
| 21:51.41 | warchest | i'm a lilo man myself |
| 21:51.43 | epictetus | the start-of-authority or whatever |
| 21:51.46 | cureless | epictetus: it doesn't it knows the next one in the chain. |
| 21:51.56 | warchest | epictetus: no |
| 21:51.57 | cureless | missed a comma there. |
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| 21:52.13 | dabreegster | Huschi: grub splashimage? It's easy to get working, but it slows down bootime by a few seconds, it's annoying, and it's pointless: It's only there for a second or two. |
| 21:52.20 | warchest | i usually defines 2 ns' for the domain, and add the ip for those 2 ns in the additional information about the domain |
| 21:52.25 | warchest | so you can resolve the ns @ the registrar |
| 21:52.30 | Phated | dabreegster: Very cool. |
| 21:52.37 | Huschi | warchest: but it should be a kernel problem. maybe it doesn't work with nvidia grforce graficcards |
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| 21:53.00 | dabreegster | Phated: I'll try and get it into Debian as soon as I work out the bugs. |
| 21:53.07 | warchest | Huschi: there is a variety of things that could go wrong.. which splash screen are you speaking about ? |
| 21:53.07 | bykte | how do u actually convert an ip to arpa format? |
| 21:53.32 | elnovato | when i do echo "null" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager << also affects gnome ?? i dont want any X to be loaded |
| 21:53.37 | warchest | sk@sk:~$ dig -x 218.186.50.29 @localhost PTR|grep -v '^;' |
| 21:53.37 | warchest | 29.50.186.218.in-addr.arpa. 84600 IN PTR cm29.omega50.maxonline.com.sg. |
| 21:53.40 | warchest | thats how |
| 21:53.45 | cureless | bykte: get a book on DNS. |
| 21:53.46 | stew | bykte: seems like you read the DNS HOWTO so quickly that reading comprehension suffered a bit |
| 21:53.53 | Huschi | warchest: to my mind it's not a problem with the splash screen, because i also had it before trying splash screen and only the framebuffer. |
| 21:53.58 | bykte | stew, sorry i was screening through |
| 21:54.01 | Phated | dabreegster: Great. I'll check it out; holler at me when it's in. :) |
| 21:54.08 | bykte | i need to go library later to get the book |
| 21:54.15 | Huschi | but i'm using the bootsplash packages from www.bootsplash.de |
| 21:54.18 | warchest | Huschi: well i'm not entirely sure.. all my linux boxes run headless :) |
| 21:54.18 | epictetus | I mean, I run a lot of domains... |
| 21:54.26 | warchest | i only see a splash screen if something went wrong. |
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| 21:54.26 | dabreegster | Speaking of which, what's a good way to handle /dev/dsp locking issues when playing multiple songs? I'm using esound (esd) to mix streams software-wise, but I can't get it to let both root and my main user use it. |
| 21:54.26 | cureless | bykte: you can find the docs online, go search. |
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| 21:54.40 | dabreegster | Phated: Will do. It's stable now, it's mainly just an interface-thing. |
| 21:54.42 | epictetus | I'm just a little confused about how it works.. like if I register domain.com, i'm supposed to tell it what nameservers to use.. but what if I use ns1.domain.com |
| 21:54.42 | bykte | cureless, not that i dont want to find, reading on a monitor sucks lol |
| 21:54.45 | epictetus | and ns2.domain.com |
| 21:54.59 | warchest | epictetus: i already told you how to do that |
| 21:55.05 | epictetus | how does whatever at the root know to find my domain.com nameserver to know where ns1.domain.com and ns2.domain.com is |
| 21:55.06 | pi_ | Okay, does anyone know of a program/script that will edit/modify the zone files of a named server located on a different machine? |
| 21:55.09 | dabreegster | Alsa isn't an option for my particular card. |
| 21:55.11 | ecfx | Which package is cc? |
| 21:55.11 | epictetus | warchest: I know HOW to do it |
| 21:55.15 | pi_ | I looked into rndc, but that doesnt seem to be the solution. |
| 21:55.16 | warchest | epictetus: then you have no issue |
| 21:55.17 | ecfx | How can I get that? |
| 21:55.18 | epictetus | warchest: i want to understand what's happening though |
| 21:55.30 | streuner | !b-e ecfx |
| 21:55.31 | dpkg | ecfx: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 21:55.38 | adexta | i'm having trouble getting quicktime to work with sound |
| 21:55.41 | streuner | ecfx: gcc |
| 21:55.48 | warchest | epictetus: you need a tutorial |
| 21:55.51 | cureless | Is there a DNS/Domain Name but 1 get 1 free offer today on the web that all the questions ar related to that? |
| 21:55.58 | Phated | dabreegster: The interface is all-important! :) |
| 21:56.02 | warchest | cureless: must be ;) |
| 21:56.09 | elnovato | nobody wants to play with me |
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| 21:56.20 | warchest | coming on freenode is work! i've never answered so many questions on my native network |
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| 21:56.49 | Active2 | hehe :) |
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| 21:56.54 | dabreegster | Phated: Yup. It can be controlled by keyboard, I've got a thing that'll print a highlighted box to the console with the song name then erase itself (but it's messy :( ), and I'm working on a status monitor dealie. All for the console. |
| 21:57.08 | pi_ | comon people, remote named zone file modification utility. |
| 21:57.22 | cureless | pi_: ssh vi |
| 21:57.29 | xerophyte | hi |
| 21:57.48 | DiegoElias | stew: do you have some good document for bind9? |
| 21:58.03 | streuner | !info bind9-docs |
| 21:58.10 | warchest | DiegoElias: /usr/share/doc/bind9, www.tldp.org BIND9+HOW+TO |
| 21:58.15 | streuner | !info bind9-doc |
| 21:58.16 | DiegoElias | !info bind9-docs |
| 21:58.17 | dpkg | bind9-doc: (Documentation for BIND), section doc, is optional. Version: 1:9.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 169 kB, Installed size: 520 kB |
| 21:58.38 | DiegoElias | v |
| 21:58.39 | DiegoElias | !info bind9-doc |
| 21:58.41 | dpkg | bind9-doc: (Documentation for BIND), section doc, is optional. Version: 1:9.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 169 kB, Installed size: 520 kB |
| 21:58.48 | warchest | docs suck.. get in there and get your hands dirty. thats how you learn it :) |
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| 21:58.54 | Phated | dabreegster: Sounds great. What formats does it do? |
| 21:59.26 | dabreegster | Phated: Well, mp3. But it should be easy to tell it how to do multiple formats. It ends up calling mpg321. |
| 21:59.34 | bykte | warchest, do i have to restart bind after editing the named.conf file? |
| 21:59.37 | Mardus | valdyn_: Still with that X11R5/X11R6 library linking issue... What do I do with /etc/ld.so.conf? |
| 21:59.47 | Proteus | bykte: Yes, you do. |
| 21:59.49 | warchest | bykte: you can rndc reloate or /etc/init.d/bind9 restart |
| 21:59.52 | warchest | reload* |
| 21:59.56 | bykte | ok |
| 22:00.10 | dabreegster | Phated: but I'm using signals to pause/resume it and everybody says that that's messy and to use the remote interface, but that's more complicated and I don't see the point, really. Except to have better the_song_changed handling. |
| 22:00.12 | warchest | when editing zones i use rndc reload, editing configs i use init.d |
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| 22:00.41 | bykte | for example, db.local |
| 22:00.44 | bykte | that's a zone file right? |
| 22:00.49 | Phated | dabreegster: You're starting to blind me with code, laddie. :) Anyways, if you make it call mpg321, it shouldn't be hard to make it call ogg123. :) |
| 22:00.51 | warchest | i'm not going to talk to you anymore about this |
| 22:00.54 | warchest | you need a howto ;) |
| 22:01.01 | dabreegster | Phated: exactly. |
| 22:01.17 | bykte | alright shall not bother u too much:D |
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| 22:01.54 | dabreegster | hmm, polyaudio might be a nice replacement for esd. |
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| 22:02.49 | Phated | dabreegster: Well, sounds great. Good job. :) |
| 22:03.11 | dabreegster | Phated: It will be, once it's packaged up so people can apt-get it. |
| 22:04.17 | Phated | dabreegster: Weehoo. :) |
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| 22:06.20 | ddfire | hi how i do to unload a driver of my pendrive??? |
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| 22:07.14 | streuner | ddfire: man rmmod |
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| 22:07.32 | cire | I cannot find "/etc/syslogd.conf". Is this because debian does not have it there, because debian does not have it, or because I have to create one if I want to use it? |
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| 22:07.49 | streuner | ddfire: why do you give about at all? |
| 22:07.54 | streuner | damn* |
| 22:07.58 | caphuso | cire: it's because it's called /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 22:08.17 | warchest | ls /etc|grep syslog .. could be syslog-ng :) |
| 22:08.23 | cire | ahh, thanks |
| 22:08.25 | ddfire | streuner, what? |
| 22:08.34 | ddfire | sorry i dont understand you |
| 22:08.40 | ddfire | try to use another word please |
| 22:08.57 | dabreegster | ddfire: why do you care about removing the driver for your pendrive? |
| 22:08.58 | streuner | ddfire: well, if they in the RAM or not, what big difference is that for you? |
| 22:09.41 | ddfire | ho because i need to pass the contorl of the pendrive to another aplication and i cant if the driver is up |
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| 22:10.35 | ecfx | Which disc in sarge do I want to get anything I would need to configure/compile/make/gcc etc |
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| 22:10.44 | ddfire | ok i leave now thanks a lots!!!!!! |
| 22:10.49 | bykte | warchest, how long will the change in bind9 take place? |
| 22:11.08 | warchest | i could do it in 5 min |
| 22:11.11 | warchest | dont know about you |
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| 22:11.53 | DiegoElias | stew: i'm reading a tutor that explain a big lot of things that need to do for install bind9...thats correct? this different bind8? more complicated ? :d |
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| 22:12.15 | Opiated | fuck it all, im off to class |
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| 22:12.51 | bykte | warchest i got a problem |
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| 22:12.58 | bykte | rndc: connect failed: connection refused what does that means? |
| 22:13.00 | bykte | just came up |
| 22:13.08 | warchest | eh |
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| 22:13.12 | warchest | is bind/named running ? |
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| 22:13.16 | warchest | rndc is for when named is running |
| 22:13.32 | bykte | oh |
| 22:13.40 | bykte | lol i thought they were 2 different entities |
| 22:13.44 | moon12 | sup peeps just installed debian and rebooted it now its asking for user name and password but I can remember setting these how do I solve this? |
| 22:13.46 | warchest | i'm going to shoot you if you dont read a howto ;) |
| 22:13.56 | bykte | warchest, i still get the same error |
| 22:13.59 | bykte | after i start bind9 |
| 22:13.59 | warchest | moon12: use the install CD and manually edit your account |
| 22:14.04 | moon12 | "Cant" |
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| 22:14.33 | moon12 | ok where do I start? |
| 22:15.38 | agroker | hello, I have troubles with network access from dell dimension 4700 pc. installed sarge, webbrowser or dselect "see" network for some 20-30 seconds and then connection drops. Any suggestions where to start and what to read? |
| 22:15.58 | bykte | ah crap, same thing even i after i started teh bind |
| 22:17.28 | ecfx | Which disc in sarge do I want to get anything I would need to configure/compile/make/gcc etc |
| 22:17.36 | DiegoElias | how can i change the path of syslog, messages, etc from /var/log to /log? |
| 22:17.48 | ecfx | I need a developer's kit disc for sarge |
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| 22:18.15 | dabreegster | ecfx: that's in the base system I think. |
| 22:18.20 | Ether_Man_ | DiegoElias: Why not just symlink it? |
| 22:18.24 | hdkiller | Anybody exim4 hacker here? How can i check a mail from the mailer daemon in acl_not_smtp? ($sender_address for mailer daemon is unset for me) :| |
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| 22:18.33 | ecfx | dabreegster, k |
| 22:18.38 | bykte | warchest, can i pm you? |
| 22:19.08 | DiegoElias | Ether_Man_: i have one partition created in /log.....i'm not sure, but its better to move...or not? |
| 22:19.27 | appaji | ecfx: that should be on the first CD. |
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| 22:19.39 | warchest | yes |
| 22:19.40 | warchest | msg me |
| 22:19.50 | warchest | brb though.. smoke |
| 22:19.57 | appaji | ecfx: if it isn't, check the jigdo files for sarge and check which CD they are on. |
| 22:20.16 | dabreegster | Yet another classic case of somebody telling us of fire before doing something about it. |
| 22:20.39 | Ether_Man_ | DiegoElias: Hm.. Well.. I dont think the kernel would write anywhere else than /var so dont think you can just change it like that.. |
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| 22:21.08 | appaji | Ether_Man_: says who? |
| 22:21.30 | Ether_Man_ | appaji: I said I didnt THINK there was any way to change it.. |
| 22:21.35 | Azar | good news friends: VIA Technologies has released new drivers for linux 2.6 users |
| 22:21.39 | appaji | Ether_Man_: You'd rather not give wrong information :-) |
| 22:21.55 | appaji | DiegoElias: man syslog.conf |
| 22:22.18 | appaji | Ether_Man_: OK. If I were DiegoElias, I would probably take that as "there is no way ..." |
| 22:22.34 | agroker | what is a main network configuration tool under Debian? |
| 22:22.38 | appaji | Ether_Man_: Besides, it isn't the kernel that writes those messages to the log files. |
| 22:23.01 | Azar | agroker it is in /etc/networks/interfaces |
| 22:23.08 | Ether_Man_ | appaji: the messages file it is.. or well.. not the kernel itself but still.. |
| 22:23.32 | appaji | agroker: The debian installer should do it for you. |
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| 22:23.44 | luct | hi |
| 22:24.02 | Ether_Man_ | appaji: I asked why he couldnt just use a symlink first.. Since he want the data on a seperate partition he cant.. So as to say that I didnt know any way to do that I used I dont think you can do it.. I was in the middle of writing a line saying that doesnt mean it's not possible.. |
| 22:24.06 | appaji | agroker: but you would want to do "man interfaces" and do it all by your own. It is fairly simple. |
| 22:24.13 | agroker | azar, thanks I saw that file already, are there any other files? |
| 22:24.28 | Azar | agroker, no there is where you edit your configurations |
| 22:24.34 | agroker | appaji, my system is already installed, how can I run instaler again? |
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| 22:25.24 | agroker | azar, /etc/network/interfaces I edited a few times already, using connection info from local admin (win32 works with the same settings) |
| 22:25.26 | Azar | agroker, careful, better keep the original configuration safe and create a new one (comment the original before changing) |
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| 22:25.42 | Azar | agroker, I have no idea about win32 |
| 22:25.52 | DiegoElias | appaji: what do you think about have /log partition ? |
| 22:25.56 | agroker | azar, win32 works - no problems there |
| 22:26.11 | jonz | hm, ive consulted every doc out there on setting up a bootable usb flash, i still haven't been able to get anything to work outside of the debian images provided (which are the wrong size flash) |
| 22:26.16 | FieldySnuts | more like /var/log |
| 22:26.18 | appaji | agroker: for DNS, /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts etc. |
| 22:26.36 | jonz | who made this boot image? ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 22:26.42 | appaji | agroker: use /usr/sbin/base-config |
| 22:26.43 | agroker | appaji, thanks |
| 22:26.48 | jonz | would it be possible to get someone to make one that is suitable for a 1GB flash? |
| 22:27.18 | appaji | agroker: what exactly are you trying to do? If you want to do networking using PPP or PPPoE then it would be different. You need different packages for those. |
| 22:27.28 | FieldySnuts | i have one. but i wouldn't bother, damn things are so slow |
| 22:27.33 | agroker | appaji, I |
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| 22:27.45 | agroker | I'm on LAN, eth0 |
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| 22:28.07 | appaji | DiegoElias: I would suggest that you mount that partition to /var/log and leave the default settings or look at man syslog.conf to see how you can fine tune things. |
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| 22:28.46 | DiegoElias | thanks |
| 22:28.48 | agroker | the problem is, that the addresses I have for my IP, DNS, netmask etc should work, and it does work for some 30 seconds, then connection frops |
| 22:29.03 | appaji | agroker: run base-config again. But it will do several other thigns again (not just networking) |
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| 22:29.32 | appaji | agroker: is it because of an IP conflict? Does someone else on your network use the same IP address as you happen to be using? |
| 22:29.34 | agroker | I tried base-config - it allows only to speciy the hostname and sources for apt |
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| 22:29.59 | agroker | appaji, I don |
| 22:30.01 | warchest | no you can hack it |
| 22:30.12 | agroker | t know should ask my sysadmin |
| 22:30.16 | warchest | appaji: that being hte case it would never work |
| 22:30.24 | agroker | (who is win32 guy, unfortunately) |
| 22:30.25 | warchest | he'd never get the route in the ARP tables he needs to have it work |
| 22:30.51 | appaji | warchest: it would, as long as the switches and other ethernet cards on the same wire have his mac for the IP. |
| 22:30.56 | Azar | agroker your sysadmin shuld only give you an available IP to use he does not need know linux |
| 22:31.11 | agroker | everything works perfectly for some half a minute, then shit happens :-\ |
| 22:31.22 | appaji | agroker: sudo tail -f /var/log/messages ? |
| 22:31.38 | appaji | agroker: do that exactly when things stop working. |
| 22:31.48 | FieldySnuts | do it before. |
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| 22:32.03 | Azar | !hi dpkg |
| 22:32.04 | dpkg | Many greetings, dpkg, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 22:32.30 | agroker | in a second.. quite some info here |
| 22:32.46 | agroker | azar, that's good :) |
| 22:32.54 | jonz | anyone know syslinux at all? i've tried to get this usb bootable keychain working all day, and have followed all the intstructions i could found to the letter - still the only thing that boots is a partitionless debian boot image (hd-install) which has the wrong geometry (thinks it's a 128M stick not a 1G) |
| 22:32.57 | Azar | nobody seems excited about the news of VIA Tech giving new drivers .. :( |
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| 22:33.07 | Azar | I am my motherboard is a VIA |
| 22:33.16 | FieldySnuts | i'm not, lame chipset |
| 22:33.29 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:34.08 | Azar | hmm I built this PC myself I feel insulted by your comment FieldySnuts |
| 22:34.14 | Cuga | Hey has anybody here gotten Nvidia 6600GTs to work in debian? |
| 22:34.16 | FieldySnuts | you'll live |
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| 22:34.44 | pipeline | Cuga: Yeah, tons of people. |
| 22:34.47 | PabloVV | hello, anybody arround that can help me with a simple cuestion?? |
| 22:35.00 | Azar | Cuga in order to update your Nvidia driver you need: 1. get a 2.6 kernel, 2. go unstable, then download and upgrade your Nvidia driver |
| 22:35.00 | appaji | dpkg, tell PabloVV about ask |
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| 22:35.16 | Cuga | pipeline, for some reason after about 10 secs of using any gl app, system freezes |
| 22:35.27 | agroker | azar, I'm excited, but first I |
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| 22:35.33 | Cuga | running 2.6.10 kernel, with latest nvidia drivers |
| 22:35.37 | agroker | d have to tune my NVidia X300 ;-) |
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| 22:35.48 | PabloVV | I ve a problem with mi login, I have instaled everything by console, but now it start in graphic mode, and it crash after the log |
| 22:35.59 | PabloVV | how can I do to start in console mode again? |
| 22:36.21 | caphuso | PabloVV: configure one of your runlevels to not start a display manager, then boot into that runlevel |
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| 22:36.41 | PabloVV | I think it is a problem with my configuration of x, but I need to start login at console to do the x configuration |
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| 22:36.54 | appaji | PabloVV: remove xdm in the init scripts of that runlevel. man update-rc.d to find how to do that. |
| 22:36.56 | caphuso | PabloVV: boot into single user mode for now |
| 22:36.59 | PabloVV | yes but I can start a console, how can I do this? |
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| 22:37.19 | PabloVV | ok, but I can-t login, I cant do anything |
| 22:37.24 | appaji | PabloVV: alternatively, you can uninstall xdm/gdm/kdm whatever. |
| 22:37.37 | PabloVV | how, I can open a console |
| 22:37.41 | appaji | PabloVV: Try CTRL+ALT+F1? |
| 22:38.01 | PabloVV | ok, that is what I want to know, thank you |
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| 22:38.36 | Azar | good day/evening honorables |
| 22:38.45 | christor | PabloVV: CTRL+Alt+F1,F2,..... |
| 22:39.07 | kombat | !quit |
| 22:39.07 | dpkg | try /quit |
| 22:39.11 | PabloVV | ok, how can I know Which one is installed |
| 22:39.47 | christor | PabloVV: ?? |
| 22:40.05 | appaji | PabloVV: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 22:40.21 | PabloVV | xdm/gdm/kdm |
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| 22:41.40 | PabloVV | xdm |
| 22:41.57 | PabloVV | now what do i have to do to uninstall it |
| 22:42.00 | appaji | PabloVV: apt-get remove --purge xdm |
| 22:42.18 | bykte | where is bind9 logs located at? |
| 22:42.29 | simonrvn | /var/log like anything else |
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| 22:42.50 | cureless | bykte: you really need to read some docs before asking questions |
| 22:42.55 | PabloVV | ok, thanks |
| 22:43.08 | appaji | bykte: /var/log? |
| 22:43.19 | elnovato | how to remove completly XFCE ? |
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| 22:43.32 | PabloVV | to configure x11, what command do I have to use |
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| 22:43.46 | dabreegster | Is there a way to get OpenGL support working fine like it does in X on the console? |
| 22:44.01 | elnovato | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfre86 |
| 22:44.02 | appaji | elnovato: dpkg -l | grep xfce and remove the libs. |
| 22:44.06 | elnovato | i think |
| 22:44.34 | Thaiger | How do I find all the files in a certain directory over a certain size? |
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| 22:44.57 | FieldySnuts | probably with find or something |
| 22:45.03 | dondelelcaro | Thaiger: info find; read about -type f; -size +120344 |
| 22:45.07 | christor | PabloVV: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:45.07 | elnovato | it says unoinstalled, but when i run vncserver, still XFCE4, due ive installed gnome |
| 22:45.18 | appaji | PabloVV: vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:45.23 | christor | elnovato: ok I have not seen :S |
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| 22:45.41 | appaji | Thaiger: man find. |
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| 22:46.20 | elnovato | bhlinux:~# apt-get remove xfce4 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Package xfce4 is not installed, so not removed 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 129 not upgraded. <<< but when i run VNCSERVER still runs XFCE4 ?? whats the problem |
| 22:46.28 | FieldySnuts | @nickometer SPEEDing|V\oNK |
| 22:46.31 | ravenbird | 'SPEEDing|V\oNK' is 99.840% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 22:46.34 | FieldySnuts | damn. |
| 22:46.58 | appaji | elnovato: That removes only the virtual package xfce4, remove all packages that have the "lib" and "xfce" in them. |
| 22:47.16 | appaji | @nickometer appaji |
| 22:47.18 | ravenbird | 'appaji' is 0.000% lame, appaji |
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| 22:47.25 | appaji | phew! |
| 22:47.38 | elnovato | appaji: dpkg -r xfce4 ??? |
| 22:47.46 | FieldySnuts | @smite ??? |
| 22:47.46 | ravenbird | All good deities can Smite(tm) |
| 22:47.49 | appaji | elnovato: does that work? |
| 22:47.51 | FieldySnuts | er? |
| 22:47.54 | elnovato | no |
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| 22:48.47 | appaji | elnovato: apt-get remove --purge libxfce4util-1 libxfcegui4-1 libxfce4mcs-client-1 libxfce4mcs-manager-1 |
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| 22:49.55 | mentor | I'm trying to install an alpha system using debian-insaller sarge RC3 netinstall; I want to set up an LVM Volume Group, but the option 'Physical Volume for LVM' in the 'Use as' menu for a partition in partman does not appear. The configure LVM option is visible on the main screen. Do I have to load some extra d-i components or otherwise? |
| 22:50.15 | VinuZ | @find c/c++ |
| 22:50.17 | elnovato | thank you appaji, sorta complicatred to unisntall xfce4 |
| 22:50.18 | agroker_ | appaji, do not see anything special in /var/log/messages while that happens |
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| 22:50.39 | agroker_ | any other log files to track behaviour of network? |
| 22:51.00 | elnovato | yipiiee gnome at last!! |
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| 22:51.31 | cureless | agroker: what are you trying to monitor? |
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| 22:51.52 | appaji | agroker_: /var/log/syslog /var/log/debug /var/log/kern ? |
| 22:51.59 | agroker_ | cureless, my trouble is, that the network connection dissappears after some 30 seconds, I'm searching for the reason |
| 22:52.11 | agroker_ | appaji, thannks already looking in.. |
| 22:52.22 | agroker_ | cureless, I'm on LAN, eth0 |
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| 22:52.35 | cureless | agroker: it dissapears? see what tcpdump stops in, see if the variables of ifconfig change. |
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| 22:53.22 | appaji | agroker_: if you brave, you can try installing ethereal and capturing the packets for that 30 seconds to see if ARP is the reason. I don't remember which log files you get the message for conflicting IP (and if at all you do) |
| 22:53.42 | tortueverte | i'm in the installation process and i am asked which mouse port i use. i use a notebook with touchpad. what should i select? |
| 22:54.06 | cureless | tortueverte: "normal" one, ps2 should work. |
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| 22:54.45 | tortueverte | k |
| 22:54.47 | cureless | tortueverte: psaux or mouse, depends on some other setup, both can be made to work. |
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| 22:55.21 | tortueverte | it's worth a try |
| 22:55.42 | agroker_ | appaji, is the ethereal at CD1 (i have only that one right now) |
| 22:56.06 | appaji | agroker_: no idea, check if you have tcpdump. |
| 22:56.07 | tortueverte | what should i do for the monitor's horizontal sync range? i have a lcd with 1400x1050 |
| 22:56.08 | agroker_ | cureless, how can I use tcpdump? ifconfig using already |
| 22:56.29 | agroker_ | appaji, tcpdump - is that a package? |
| 22:56.42 | cureless | agroker: just run it on some terminal. If the network stops so should tcpdump output. Try something like tcpdump -n, yes, it's a package. |
| 22:56.51 | appaji | tortueverte: the hsync and vsync don't matter for LCDs. |
| 22:57.04 | tortueverte | should i leave 28-50 then? |
| 22:57.09 | cureless | it's a package that should be in the base install of evert distro damn it! tcpdump for everybody. |
| 22:57.12 | tortueverte | it won't hurt my lcd i hope? |
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| 22:57.46 | appaji | tortueverte: no warrently of merchantability of implied use etc. etc. :-) |
| 22:57.55 | appaji | typos! |
| 22:57.56 | tortueverte | heh |
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| 22:58.59 | tortueverte | is there a way to add my resolution to a list fpr the x-server to use? |
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| 22:59.30 | agroker_ | cureless, apparently no tcpdump on CD1 |
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| 22:59.46 | cureless | agroker: don't you have network access? |
| 22:59.57 | appaji | tortueverte: vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and change the modes |
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| 23:00.27 | agroker_ | cureless, I have but from another machine |
| 23:00.31 | tortueverte | thanx |
| 23:00.54 | agroker_ | cureless, thanks nevermind |
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| 23:00.58 | simonrvn | cureless: yeh, really (tcpdump in base). but, should be *after* you run dselect for the first time - like included. so like in say, standard or something, and a recommended: |
| 23:01.00 | cureless | agroker_: I don't know what CD tcpdump is in, sorry. |
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| 23:01.15 | cureless | simonrvn: granted. |
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| 23:01.38 | PabloVV | how can I test My X configuration? |
| 23:01.40 | *** part/#debian PF_ (~I_AM_I@207.168.32.235) |
| 23:01.50 | ctd | see if X starts? |
| 23:02.09 | doug | could someone kindly recommend a bandwidth per ip throttler that is pretty easy to config and get going? .. not an apache module though, a global thing |
| 23:02.11 | simonrvn | startx |
| 23:02.13 | christor | PabloVV: in starting the X startx |
| 23:02.18 | appaji | tortueverte: LCDs don't have a concept of refesh afaik. Actually they do, they all have 60Hz. Don't use anything higher than that. |
| 23:02.18 | foobarto | got a VNC question.. |
| 23:02.26 | simonrvn | Priority: optional |
| 23:02.29 | appaji | tortueverte: I don't know the reasons. |
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| 23:02.46 | appaji | PabloVV: try xinit |
| 23:02.49 | foobarto | #drewc? |
| 23:02.52 | tortueverte | :-/ i alreay skipped the sync-part now. i hope i had everything below 60 |
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| 23:03.00 | appaji | dpkg, tell foobarto about ask |
| 23:03.01 | foobarto | ? |
| 23:03.04 | PabloVV | fatal server error |
| 23:03.23 | streuner | PabloVV: what videocard do you have? |
| 23:03.23 | simonrvn | cureless: Priority: optional :/ |
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| 23:03.26 | appaji | PabloVV: now look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log and look for errors. |
| 23:03.33 | cureless | simonrvn: O |
| 23:03.43 | PabloVV | ok |
| 23:03.45 | foobarto | connecting to someone via VNC vncviewer IP:1, authenticate but cannot see their desktop, what gives? |
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| 23:04.01 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | FieldySnuts- yea i was aiming foor 100% maby then i can bee l33t +D |
| 23:04.07 | christor | PabloVV: please take a look on the /var/log/Xfree...log or your ~/.xsessions-errors |
| 23:04.07 | cureless | simonrvn: whoops, enter too soon. I know, I'm just a tcpdump freak. I don't want it required for the system to run but on the default set of installed packages. |
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| 23:04.21 | FieldySnuts | higest i ever seen was 99.970 or something, i fed it urandom output |
| 23:04.21 | carrett | dpkg: hi |
| 23:04.21 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | +P |
| 23:04.29 | simonrvn | cureless: yeh. it's fricking useful |
| 23:04.29 | carrett | dammit. he still hates me. |
| 23:04.32 | stew | foobarto: which vnc server are you using? some vnc servers start their own x, not share an existing x session |
| 23:04.53 | appaji | dpkg, kiss carrett |
| 23:04.53 | simonrvn | it can't hate you, it's a bot... |
| 23:04.55 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | oh now your on my aside +P |
| 23:05.04 | appaji | carrett: he likes you :-) |
| 23:05.13 | carrett | dpkg: if you don't hate me, say something |
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| 23:06.01 | carrett | anyone know how to get realone packages for debian? |
| 23:06.06 | foobarto | vncserver, how do I check? |
| 23:06.28 | sussi | apt-get.org? |
| 23:06.38 | appaji | carrett: use mplayer with the win32codecs? wouldn't do? |
| 23:06.52 | appaji | :s/win32/w32/g |
| 23:06.55 | streuner | carret: join their website |
| 23:07.08 | doug | i'm looking for a package to tweak the kernel to control bandwidth .. |
| 23:07.15 | carrett | appaji: will the mplayer plugin suffice for playing real streams? |
| 23:07.23 | appaji | carrett: or you can ask your friend dpkg :-) |
| 23:07.35 | carrett | appaji: if only... |
| 23:07.43 | sussi | and search for the pogramm u looking for than add the deb line |
| 23:07.44 | doug | not for a router but my own webserver, bandwidth sharing |
| 23:07.45 | appaji | carrett: I am yet to find something that mplayer refuses to play and some other player does. |
| 23:08.36 | appaji | carrett: I am not sure about the mplayer plugin for $browser, I view the source of the stream and use the rtsp:// thing directly. |
| 23:08.44 | appaji | carrett: with mplayer. |
| 23:08.46 | Empty | What's the HTTP image sniffer for X called? The one that pops images up as it sniffs them? |
| 23:09.07 | stouset | Empty: well that's one way of browsing porn ;) |
| 23:09.17 | appaji | doug: shaper? CBQ? |
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| 23:09.43 | Empty | Heh, stouset, in this office... well, lets hope not ;) |
| 23:10.15 | sussi | mozilla-mplayer |
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| 23:11.39 | doug | appaji: thanks, getting shaper |
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| 23:12.58 | christor | PLease need help in rrdtool to update old value, is someone know? |
| 23:13.58 | FabParma | how to set the DHCP mode using the shell? |
| 23:14.19 | appaji | FabParma: DHCP server or client? Mode as in? |
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| 23:14.29 | doug | appaji: installed shaper (and its dependencies)... doesn't appear to be any man pages for any of them nor are the package names themselves executable |
| 23:14.41 | appaji | FabParma: for client "man interfaces" and vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:14.47 | FabParma | appaji: client |
| 23:14.52 | appaji | doug: /usr/share/doc/shaper/README.shaper.gz |
| 23:14.56 | cureless | doug: there should be a doc directory /usr/share/doc/sh... |
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| 23:15.17 | FabParma | appaji: thank You very much |
| 23:15.47 | doug | cool |
| 23:15.50 | appaji | FabParma: and also vi /etc/dhcp*.conf or /etc/dhcp*/dhcp*.conf man dhclient.conf and misc. |
| 23:16.14 | appaji | :s/dhcp*.conf/dhc*.conf/g |
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| 23:20.12 | dottedquad | doe anyone know if there is a command based cd burning software? |
| 23:20.14 | dottedquad | does* |
| 23:20.50 | FieldySnuts | cdrecord , part of cdrtools |
| 23:21.21 | tortueverte | is it a good idea to install sarge? |
| 23:21.48 | appaji | tortueverte: purpose? |
| 23:21.51 | peterrooney | @nickname http |
| 23:21.52 | streuner | tortueverte: yes |
| 23:21.57 | tortueverte | i have trouble installing my network card (broadcom gigabit on notebook) and i think it might work with sarge |
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| 23:22.30 | appaji | tortueverte: surely you don't want to install woody, it is too old, and you aren't that paranoid about security fixes, are you? |
| 23:22.32 | sussi | even u can use the pinning fetaure |
| 23:22.56 | tortueverte | hehe :) ok, downloading it now heh |
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| 23:23.23 | BadMan | !seen PerfDave |
| 23:23.24 | dpkg | perfdave <user50094@sparky.ox.compsoc.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10d 7h 8m 31s ago, saying: 'markybob_: At least you can say you tried :)'. |
| 23:23.35 | sussi | !seen me |
| 23:23.35 | dpkg | me <~me@ip503db214.speed.planet.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 19h 13m 22s ago, saying: 'thx for the help'. |
| 23:24.01 | BadMan | well he aint been on in a week+ lol |
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| 23:25.32 | streuner | tortueverte: sarge has 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 23:26.20 | dottedquad | thx |
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| 23:28.42 | Gumby | I am trying to figure out why I am getting this error when starting my network when eth1 device does not exist. "Apr 12 17:24:28 localhost dhclient: eth1: unknown hardware address type 776" Can anyone suggest why? |
| 23:29.22 | streuner | Gumby: read that a second time |
| 23:30.09 | Feyr | anyone here have any experience with linux and VLT? some dmesg dump i've seen seem to suggest it's supported, but i can't find any information about it anywhere. VLT being virtual lan trunk, 3com's VLAN protocol |
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| 23:30.36 | streuner | Gumby: What did you change in /etc/network/interfaces to get this error? |
| 23:30.53 | streuner | Gumby: or did you change something in /etc/dhclient.conf? |
| 23:30.55 | Gumby | streuner: eth1 doesnt exist in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:31.06 | christor | please how to replace the space by a ":" with sed ?? (sed s//:/g test ???) |
| 23:31.08 | streuner | Gumby: ok :-) |
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| 23:33.14 | FabParma | into "vi /etc/network/interfaces" how can i to set auto mode(dhcp client) ? |
| 23:33.40 | streuner | !dhcp client |
| 23:33.41 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
| 23:34.11 | dottedquad | has anyone used ubuntu before? |
| 23:34.27 | appaji | dpkg, tell dottedquad about ubuntu |
| 23:34.52 | appaji | dpkg, tell dottedquad about ask |
| 23:35.18 | dottedquad | ahh, i appologize for that |
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| 23:35.19 | FabParma | dpkg: thank you i try |
| 23:35.19 | dpkg | FabParma: no worries |
| 23:35.44 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 23:35.44 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:36.06 | streuner | dottedquad: we support debian |
| 23:36.15 | streuner | not ubuntu |
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| 23:37.02 | appaji | yikes, 5 Am. Time to sleep. |
| 23:37.06 | appaji | dpkg, bye |
| 23:37.06 | dpkg | Cya, appaji |
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| 23:37.17 | taddeus | hi |
| 23:37.20 | bykte | anyone used bittorent on debian?> |
| 23:37.25 | bykte | not talking about gh3y interface |
| 23:37.32 | bykte | pure command line |
| 23:37.41 | stew | bykte: apt-get install bittornado |
| 23:37.43 | jetx | no no body uses cli much less btdownloadcurses |
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| 23:37.56 | bykte | stew, is it gui? |
| 23:38.00 | bykte | or pure commandline? |
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| 23:38.09 | Guerin | bykte: both |
| 23:38.16 | stew | bykte: curses or some kind of gui (gtk?) |
| 23:38.21 | taddeus | is there something like a list of more rated apps for linux ? |
| 23:38.24 | Guerin | bykte: so is bittorrent, naturally |
| 23:38.31 | Guerin | taddeus: what? |
| 23:38.36 | taddeus | :\ |
| 23:38.44 | Guerin | taddeus: more rated than what? |
| 23:38.45 | streuner | popular? |
| 23:38.46 | bykte | Guerin, bittorent is both a gui and interface |
| 23:38.50 | Servo888 | Hello... What would I need to upgrade to the 2.6.x sarge kernel (latest)? I have a laptop with no ethernet, and only a cdrom drive . I want to copy over the packages - but I'll need to know all the deps |
| 23:38.51 | Guerin | bykte: no shit |
| 23:38.51 | taddeus | something like best applications |
| 23:39.00 | simonrvn | @tell bykte -about gay |
| 23:39.25 | dvs | !depends kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 23:39.28 | bykte | so there's no way of downloading stuff from bittorent using command line? |
| 23:39.28 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: depends on initrd-tools (>= 0.1.63), coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.0), module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13) |
| 23:39.29 | streuner | !popcon |
| 23:39.29 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 23:39.41 | bykte | @tell simonrvn -about gay |
| 23:39.50 | Guerin | bykte: of course there is; use bt*curse or bt*headless |
| 23:40.00 | Guerin | bykte: don't be a twat |
| 23:40.07 | streuner | taddeus: try what dpkg told you, there is a list of the most popular apps in debian |
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| 23:40.13 | simonrvn | i know what it is. you didn't seem to know it, since you were trying to veil it under the cover of misspelling it |
| 23:40.13 | bykte | Guerin, ok |
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| 23:40.56 | _gentgeen_ | I need to check a HD for bad blocks, before I do so I want to make sure I read the MAN pages correctly --- 'e2fsck -c -c /dev/hda' will check for and write any in a non-distructive mod -- right? |
| 23:40.56 | simonrvn | usually denotes sexual insecurity |
| 23:41.08 | bykte | simonrvn, right |
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| 23:41.31 | taddeus | streuner: just using dpkg ? not options near ? |
| 23:41.38 | Guerin | _gentgeen_: fsck won't .. . ... .... - ..'. . ... ... .. |
| 23:41.44 | Guerin | ..... .. ...... |
| 23:41.47 | Guerin | ..... |
| 23:41.51 | streuner | !tell taddeus about popcon |
| 23:41.51 | Guerin | fuck |
| 23:41.58 | Guerin | !kill korean keyboards |
| 23:42.05 | cureless | Guerin: misspelled in braile? |
| 23:42.10 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 23:42.15 | simonrvn | brltty |
| 23:42.17 | Guerin | _gentgeen_: fsck is a filesystem check; you want badblocks |
| 23:42.31 | taddeus | streuner: thanks |
| 23:42.47 | Guerin | this fucking keyboard has half the space normally occupied by the spacebar taken up by a "switch input methods" key |
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| 23:43.09 | _gentgeen_ | Guerin, so do a 'badblocks /dev/hda' ??? |
| 23:43.14 | streuner | Guerin: why don't just buy an keyboard which works for you? |
| 23:43.15 | Guerin | _gentgeen_: man badblocks :) |
| 23:43.39 | Guerin | streuner: and take it with me to each of the six or so workplaces I have to idle at each week? |
| 23:44.15 | streuner | Guerin: there are some nice onces, waterresident and easy and such ;-) |
| 23:44.21 | taddeus | streuner: wow ! :D |
| 23:44.22 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:44.28 | simonrvn | _gentgeen_: paraphrased from the man page: usually performed on a disk partition</paraphrase> |
| 23:44.29 | Guerin | i already have enough shit to cart around |
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| 23:44.51 | simonrvn | water resident? :) resistant ;) |
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| 23:45.27 | dvs | resident is futile |
| 23:45.27 | _gentgeen_ | but from badblocks man page -- "it is strongly recommended that users not run badblocks directly, but rather use the -c option of the e2fsck and mke2fs programs." |
| 23:45.31 | dvs | it works for me |
| 23:45.33 | _gentgeen_ | ???? confused now |
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| 23:46.18 | streuner | simonrvn: Do you know which language have the most vocables? |
| 23:46.39 | Talnakh_ | Does anyone know if it is possible to run SAGE accounting software under linux through WINE or any other way? |
| 23:46.39 | cat | spanish streuner |
| 23:46.45 | spiorf | Hi all, anyone knows how to fix famd 100% cpu usage on debian sarge? |
| 23:46.53 | cat | Talnakh_: on winex for sure, |
| 23:47.00 | lucox | hi people, why is the dpkg/apt package system so stupid - whe i want to uninstall cvs, i have to accept with k3b, kopete, quanta (and many more ) apps to uninstall ... ok i accept with hope when i uninstall, then i can back install k3b, kopete, quanta back without cvs ... but nevermind .... is there any choice that i don't know about to solve this stupid problem ? |
| 23:47.02 | cafuego | spiorf: sudo killall -9 famd |
| 23:47.03 | Guerin | _gentgeen_: *fsck can call badblocks |
| 23:47.03 | streuner | spiorf: check out BTS |
| 23:47.07 | simonrvn | streuner: vocables? |
| 23:47.10 | Talnakh_ | cat, did u try? |
| 23:47.12 | streuner | yep |
| 23:47.22 | streuner | simonrvn: words |
| 23:47.22 | Guerin | _gentgeen_: so you can use that if you choose. See why reading manpages is good? |
| 23:47.26 | spiorf | streuner, what is BTS? |
| 23:47.29 | cat | Talnakh_: i play my games on winex |
| 23:47.33 | simonrvn | oh fuck. i have no idea... |
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| 23:47.37 | Phated | Mandarin! |
| 23:47.38 | cat | for example Diablo Diablo II etc etc |
| 23:47.38 | streuner | !tell spiorf about bts |
| 23:47.43 | Guerin | spiorf: apt-get remove --purge fam |
| 23:47.47 | doug | I'm reading the shaper manual.. this thing does a zillion router-like things, all i want is everyone accessing my box to get an equal amount of bandwidth. Any way to get something that does this "out of the box" or as close as possible other than rolling back from apache2 to 1.3 in order to use the bw share module? |
| 23:47.47 | Guerin | spiorf: :) |
| 23:47.53 | Talnakh_ | I think that CrossOver office is better for that |
| 23:47.55 | spiorf | I killed famd, but violence isn't a solution.... |
| 23:47.56 | BadMan | what would you use to unpacka *.bin file? |
| 23:48.08 | resiak | lucox: Erm, removing cvs doesn't remove any of those packages. |
| 23:48.10 | cafuego | spiorf: in case of fam it REALLY is |
| 23:48.16 | Guerin | BadMan: depends what it's packed with |
| 23:48.17 | streuner | BadMan: you usually run them |
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| 23:48.26 | Guerin | BadMan: I can take any arbitrary file and name it .bin |
| 23:48.34 | resiak | lucox: Are you by any chance using aptitude? |
| 23:48.38 | lucox | resiak : yes it removes ... why ? ... don't know |
| 23:48.40 | cafuego | BadMan: tip: 'file foo.bin' |
| 23:48.43 | spiorf | !tell spiorf about bts |
| 23:48.55 | Guerin | spiorf: it's only not a solution if you don't use enough of it |
| 23:48.58 | resiak | lucox: You don't know if you're using aptitude? What command are you running? |
| 23:49.03 | simonrvn | the concept of "extensions" is a winbloze one. uniz couldn't care less about them. they're handy, yes. but that's it |
| 23:49.04 | BadMan | ok, I will mess with it a bit thanks |
| 23:49.08 | _gentgeen_ | Guerin, so *fsck -c -c should be ok then :-) |
| 23:49.12 | Guerin | spiorf: in the case of fam, I recommend the genocidal move of --purge |
| 23:49.20 | spiorf | lol |
| 23:49.21 | lucox | resiak: apt-get remove --purge cvs |
| 23:49.22 | nevyn | hrm |
| 23:49.27 | Guerin | _gentgeen_: probably only one -c required |
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| 23:50.06 | simonrvn | fam is a pita |
| 23:50.16 | simonrvn | though i've seen worse |
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| 23:50.36 | simonrvn | unix* |
| 23:51.07 | lucox | resiak: why do u think, that aptitude will solve my problem, when it's only frontend for apt-get ... |
| 23:51.11 | FieldySnuts | fam does suck |
| 23:51.18 | simonrvn | ooh, keeping teaching SA you spammers |
| 23:51.23 | resiak | lucox: I'm pretty sure you have apt-get as an alias to aptitude. The metapackage kde depends on cvs, so by removing cvs you must remove the kde metapackage (which is fine, since that package does nothing except depend on every bit of KDE). However, aptitude takes this to mean that you don't want _any_ of KDE any more (since aptitude tracks what you explicitly installed and what got pulled in as a dep) and is removing everything |
| 23:51.23 | Guerin | lucox: what makes you think aptitude is a front for apt? |
| 23:51.27 | FieldySnuts | and it starts up rpc services (portmap) *ugh* |
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| 23:51.37 | Makro | hello |
| 23:51.41 | simonrvn | yeh, that's the bad part. i hate that... |
| 23:51.46 | Guerin | simonrvn: haha |
| 23:51.57 | FieldySnuts | i could live with it otherwise. that puts it firmly into the "security vulnerability" camp |
| 23:51.59 | simonrvn | i don't run it =) |
| 23:51.59 | nevyn | aptitude is a frontend for libapt |
| 23:52.01 | lucox | Guerin : aptitude - terminal-based apt frontend |
| 23:52.02 | FieldySnuts | morons. |
| 23:52.08 | simonrvn | yeh, exactly |
| 23:52.10 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hi :) |
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| 23:52.22 | _gentgeen_ | e2fsck man says "If this option is specified twice, then the bad block scan will be done using a non-destructive read-write test." so would that be '-c -c' or '-cc' |
| 23:52.32 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hi. :) |
| 23:52.33 | resiak | _gentgeen_: Either. |
| 23:52.43 | Makro | i need a suggest for a translator program (example german to english...) |
| 23:52.46 | lucox | resiak: apt-get as an alias to aptitude ??? :) i don't have aptitude installed :) |
| 23:52.48 | Makro | any? |
| 23:52.58 | streuner | Makro: ding |
| 23:53.08 | simonrvn | plink |
| 23:53.18 | streuner | !info ding |
| 23:53.21 | dpkg | ding: (Dictionary lookup program for Unix), section text, is optional. Version: 1.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 368 kB |
| 23:53.43 | streuner | Makro: you need the dic. as well... |
| 23:53.43 | resiak | lucox: Then I have no idea what is going on. |
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| 23:53.46 | Guerin | lucox: it's an entirely separate thing from apt-*. They both use libapt and dpkg, but they work in different wys |
| 23:53.47 | Makro | streuner: ok but it will translate a text for example' or just words? |
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| 23:53.59 | _gentgeen_ | resiak, thanks -- normally I would just try, but I really don't want to lose any data on the HD ;-) |
| 23:54.09 | streuner | Makro: look for youself, just install it |
| 23:54.18 | Makro | streuner: ok thanks |
| 23:54.36 | streuner | Makro: it wouldn't translate text for you, no. |
| 23:54.38 | resiak | _gentgeen_: No problem. |
| 23:54.56 | Makro | streuner: oh..well |
| 23:55.18 | cafuego | Makro: babelfish.altavista.com |
| 23:55.22 | streuner | yeah |
| 23:55.27 | cafuego | es ist nicht so gut, aber es geht |
| 23:55.35 | streuner | Makro: that's the one you are looking for then |
| 23:55.38 | Makro | cafuego: yeah i know but is a long text |
| 23:55.45 | doug | my pic site has been slashdotted by a porn site review site |
| 23:56.36 | lucox | resiak: me too ... |
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| 23:56.36 | cafuego | Makro: Turn the text into HTML, then make babblefish fetch it by URL and translate it. |
| 23:56.36 | BadMan | cafuego: should that just have output some file info? such as... |
| 23:56.36 | BadMan | file /home/FileServ/Files/GAMES/quake_files/QUAKE1/Versions/CLIENTS/FuhQuake_Installer_v0.31_linux.bin |
| 23:56.36 | lucox | Guerin: forget aptitude - it's not my problem ... |
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| 23:56.36 | Phated | How about just copying the text into babelfish? :) |
| 23:56.37 | BadMan | /home/FileServ/Files/GAMES/quake_files/QUAKE1/Versions/CLIENTS/FuhQuake_Installer_v0.31_linux.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, statically linked, stripped |
| 23:56.37 | Makro | cafuego: okay thanks |
| 23:56.37 | streuner | Makro: if the HTML is to large, you need to cut it |
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| 23:56.37 | cafuego | BadMan: Yep. So now you know what it is and how to run it. |
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| 23:56.58 | BadMan | its lying to me I dont know nuttin 8( |
| 23:56.59 | humbolt | how can I control on unix with what permissions a file is generated by apache php? |
| 23:57.32 | cafuego | BadMan: it says' it's an executable for Intel x86 Linux |
| 23:57.48 | cafuego | humbolt: Check www.php.net/umask |
| 23:57.48 | BadMan | ok |
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| 23:57.57 | streuner | Phated: the same result, it would only translate a certain amount of it... |
| 23:58.25 | Phated | Yeah, so what's the point of formatting it into HTML and then having babelfish fetch it? |
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| 23:58.53 | doug | i'm gonna co lo my box .. is a 1GHz/128ram box capable of taking full advantage of a 1MB/s link for a pic site with a lot of thumbnail requests to process? |
| 23:59.00 | streuner | Phated: well, you cut the second or third part, store it at you webserver an run it over again |
| 23:59.09 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 23:59.11 | Guerin | doug: more ram |
| 23:59.12 | Phated | Eh, fair enough, I guess. |
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| 23:59.27 | cafuego | doug: Depends on the number og hits you get. |
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| 23:59.46 | Guerin | thumbnailing is very cpu-intensive |
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| 23:59.47 | cafuego | 1Mb/s is a bit low for an image site |
| 23:59.58 | doug | no, 1MB |
